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[Milestone XT720 General] trinhpct:
Can you help me how to enble it, i use Minitool partition to create 3 primary : Fat32, ext2, swap ... But when i use link2d, mount script error : mount scriptcannot be created - muont: Device or resource busy .. When i use A2SDGui ( on hellmoger rom ), swap is deactivated, cannot enble ... Help me. Thank for advance !
[Milestone XT720 General] 3rdstring:
I don't think Link2sd is compatible with Hellmonger's ROM yet, it's still on the "to do" list. To use swap you have to fastboot (check out Reverendkjr's YouTube videos) one of fjfalcon kernels every time you reboot your phone.
[Milestone XT720 General] firzen_net:
Yes! that is exactly wat I was referring to. The sdcard internal storage thing is not an issue for me with my ROM, but I sorta have an addiction for constantly finding ways to better my phone. I am just wondering if creating a swap, or using applications like Swapper can help my phone. An increased amount of RAM can help multitasking and reduce lag right? By repartitioning, does all my files get erased? will it affect the rom that I am running?
[Milestone XT720 General] eejin2:
i think i theoretically know how the apps2ext works cos i dont use it so i dont have first hand experience. but on hellmongers xda special final rc1, apps2ext should be already in place, but you have to create an apps folder in your sd-ext partition.

there is already tutorial made by another xda user reverendkjr on how to activate swap. if you already have the three primary partitions, there's actually nothing much left to do but to learn a little of how to use adb. to activate swap, you have to boot into fjfalcons custom kernel because the stock one doesnt support it, so you have to fastboot the boot.img. just search around the xda forums for the fastboot and download it. the video will show you what to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu1EjoUGEgQ
[Milestone XT720 General] eejin2:
you dont have to use any swapper app from the market. fastbooting into fjfalcon's kernel will activate swap automatically. the problem is that once you reboot normally after fastboot, the fastboot will be gone and you will boot into the stock kernal again. you can only activate swap when you are at your computer. swap wont affect the rom you are using. most roms around this subforum support swap if you fastboot your phone into the custom img.

swap will give you a lot more free ram and you will be able to do more multi tasking, but it will take up a very little bit more battery.

yes, to partition your sd card means that your info will be gone. you should just save everything in your sd card into a folder on your computer so that once you partition the sd card, you can just put them back instead of finding some files back one by one and saving it in the card. i'd do this if i were you anyway because some files on the sd card are required for us to boot into open recovery, so if they are missing, you have to do the "install system recovery" thing from the open recovery apk again.
[Milestone XT720 General] Dimmkaa:
Use xdl2.4pda.ru/937329/pwhe52.exe?000636ffb23196624e4c7d69000000004d9e4343117ca335f76a096de7f0f02e can't use links in my posts yet
[Milestone XT720 General] sohrab.naushad:
Just to clarify for people who don't understand the concept behind swap. For a computer to run its processes and applications they must be loaded to physical memory from where they are managed. This happens on your computers RAM. So when you open an application the OS loads that application to your RAM which is a physical chip inside your computer. The more programs you open while multitasking more RAM gets used till it is full. The computer then either kills the least important proccess to make room for what you are doing then, or shifts your process in an idle state to a small temporary partition on your harddrive. This temporary virtual space in windows is called the page file, and in linux its called swap. The same goes for your phone which is basically a small computer.

When you activate swap, all your idle processes can be shifted to your swap while you run heavy or many applications. Increasing stability, and ability to not have your apps killed and started from scratch when you move onto to other tasks on your phone.

There has been much debate over the usefulness of swap on phones, but generally according to most people it increases the overall performance of the phone. Most users recommend having a higher class SD card for swap as your apps are written onto the swap partition and are thus limited by the read/write speed of your card. Also this process consumes modest amounts of battery.

The reason we need to fastboot for swap is because swap needs a custom kernel. A kernel is that basic program which communicates between your hardware and software. Because we have a a locked bootloader on our phone custom kernels cannot be flashed because the bootloader rejects them because of a signature mismatch which we bypass by fastbooting.

Hope that made sense :)
[Milestone XT720 General] firzen_net:
i only hav a class 2 sdcard and my phone doesn't experience any lag. so I should refrain from swapping since class 2 is too low rite
[Milestone XT720 General] sohrab.naushad:
You're phone performance and how you feel about it is all that matters :), personally I also use the stock class 2 card and didn't have many problems when I used swap some time ago. I, however don't do any hardcore gaming and couldn't go throught the trouble of fastbooting every time so don't use it much now except for experimental purposes.
[Milestone XT720 General] earthsword:
for the swap kernel right, where can i find the swap kernel compatible with hellmonger's edition?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mitchellvii:
I like the Flyer - I really do. Along with the pen it is a "working man's tablet" second to none. There is only ONE thing keeping me from buying one.

THE PRICE.

When you add the price of the tablet with the pen, you are looking at almost $600 for a single-core tablet. I can pick up an sweet Asus Transformer for $399.00. The $499.00 price tag (and charging extra for the pen) is just NUTS given the competition. At $399.00 (pen included) they would sell 3 times as many of these (if not more).

C'mon HTC, wake up and smell the competition.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] dsf3g:
Yup, that's exactly my price point, too.

The only thing to consider is that Best Buy will sell you the Flyer on an 18 month, no-interest payment schedule if you want. I may go that path if I get impatient. Also, get the Fujitsu sylus that works with the Flyer. B&H has it for $25.00 shipped:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/772804-REG/Fujitsu_FPCPN36AP_Extra_Stylus_for_Fujitsu_s.html
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] itiswell:
Flyer Cost

I understand why many people feel the flyer is expensive. Consider the following reason and think again:

1. HTC Flyer is the only Tablet that has a digitizer on it. The usage is unlimited. The problem is that many android lovers are not developing. We are only "MODing". Creating custom ROMs, etc. I you know what that digitizer can do, in terms of application you will know that having a Flyer is worth all the penny spent.

2. Bestbuy now sells the Flyer to you with the HTC Pen. Just tell them you want the HTC before you pay. Tell them the HTC pen must be included.

3. If you have a working laptop or tablet, you can trade it in at Bestbuy to reduce the cost of any device you buy from Bestbuy.

4. You need to try out the Note app with voice recording on the Flyer. The recording is extremely loud. And also, it is synced with EverNotes.

5. If the Flyer meets your needs, go for it. If not, don't go for it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AidenM:
There used to be a promotion going on where the pen was free. Just tell them that you weren't available to buy the Flyer when the promotion was going on. They gave me a free pen.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sdge:
The price point kind of makes it not really a "working man's tablet", does it not? I'm just joking, just thought it was funny thinking of some carpenter sitting there messing around with his little flyer.

1. Pen is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overpriced. That is the truth. I got the view and it came with the pen. Had it not, I wouldn't even consider buying it. I know, that the pen is the single most different thing about the tablet, but in all honestly nobody wants to write on a screen until it feels like pen and paper. Apple knew this, that's why they were the first people to realize that a tablet shouldn't be like the older PC's that could be flipped around and used a stylus on. Apple knows what the AVERAGE consumer wants.

2. Single-core, duo-core, quad-core all that crap, just doesn't need to be focused on nearly as much as people think. The real proof is in the pudding. The thing runs fine, and unless you REALLY plan on seriously playing 3D games what does it matter? Everyone is so obsessed with having the most powerful processor, or best video processing... How much time do you actually spend playing those high demanding games? Maybe 1% of your usage of the tablet? And it's not even that the tablet can't play them, it's just that it won't be as FAST as some crazy tegra 2 thing.

3. The thing is awesome for what it is. I walked into a best buy the other day (just to pick up a 40$ bt dongle I needed for a few days, then I returned it, I'm not a sucker) and was tooling about with two other 7" tabs (the fujitsu and some other one) and they were pretty much garbage. They ran like 100$ cheaper. Over the 1-2 year lifetime of my tablet, 100$ is very little. Especially for a device I use so often...

Anyway, sorry about the long post.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] dsf3g:
I sorta disagree. Not that the pen is overpriced (I'm in full agreement with that statement) but that no one wants to write on a screen 'till it feels like paper. I've played with the Flyer/pen combo in BestBuy, and I want it so bad it hurts, LOL!

Seriously, if not for the pen I'd see no reason to trade for my Nook Color. But the pen turns a Flyer into a viable productivity tool. I can totally see myself taking it with me to meetings or when I have to meet with a supervisor and taking notes.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AidenM:
You need a Flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] trksab:
I've paid 1000$ to buy it. It deserves because Im using every single option included.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sdge:
Prepared to be disappointed.

When you write with a stylus on a tablet (not just the flyer/view but also on all the "convertables" running xp from back in the day) it has lag. You end up writing at 80% speed just from the lag. Add in the fact that you are writing on a tiny surface with a low resolution mark means you can fit all of a sentence and a half on one screen (and that's really being generous).

The notes also lack any of the cool features of onenote. Can't copy and paste a section. It is rather tiresome.

The only really useful thing I think the stylus can add is if you are signing a lot of .pdf's or something.

I major in math and economics and HOPED that I might be able to take notes on the view (I tried this on an older 10" xp tablet a while ago) and was very disappointed.

1. When you record the lecture and write, what the person is saying is drowned out by the clacking of your stylus on the screen.

2. HTC has made 0 improvements on the accuracy and the delay of the writing coming from the stylus. Quite disappointing.

BUT it does all come down to preference. Maybe you are find with these shortcomings in light of the brand new ability to actually write on the thing, which I agree is just plain cool.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] trksab:
Not disappointed at all. This is your personal point of view. I dont agree with you. The pen is accurate fast and u can use it to write notes (like the physical yellow notes) certainly you will not use it to write the human history!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] juliand:
I agree, though I do not use it at all (even I have enabled the phone features in it s-off), you pay for quality and performance. Another think I like about HTC (I use them from almost 7 years), is the battery. It will last very long...

If anybody interested, I live in Canada and I will be selling it. Let someone enjoy it...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] dsf3g:
Oh, I wouldn't use it to take notes at a lecture. For that it would be inadequate, I agree. But based on my experience playing with it in Best Buy, it should be more than adequate for jotting down a few instructions, perhaps a quick diagram or two.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redpoint73:
Many tablets, including the Transformer and Galaxy Tab, have cheap plastic bodies. They don't match the sturdiness, look and feel of the Flyer's aluminum body.

When you consider that, the digitizer for the pen (as already mentioned), and maybe other things, it might be that the Flyer costs more to manufacture, and HTC cannot actually afford to charge less and still maintain a decent margin.

Also, the single core 1.5 GHz CPU is actually faster at most things then the dual core tablets (most of which are 1 GHz). Most applications do not support dual core CPU's yet, so its the raw processing clock speed of one core that counts. The dual core comes into play when multi-tasking, such as running processes in the background and switching between apps. If you compare the Flyer to other tablets, you will find the Flyer is actually snappier and smoother most the time. Honeycomb is inherently laggy at this time, and that's partially to blame. But the single core CPU is part of it, too.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SciFlyer:
I have to agree that it is a bit expensive but it meets my requirements and I use it all day.

I use Notes in all of my meetings or just to jot things down while walking around campus.

It is nowhere near the feature rich MS OneNote but I hope the next version (if there will be one) incorporates some.

As for speed, I don't see a delay when writing.

HTC Flyer / Tapatalk
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] blue blue man:
It's expensive cause it's good build quality and it's new. Flyer's hard ware is really good: beautiful screen + ntrig digitizer, 1GB ram, Al body,... And HTC has to pay other companies for patent fees, about $50/smart phone. In addition, mobile device market is so HOT now. Remember that the Galaxy tab was also very expensive when it was released. I think we pay most of that money for things we can't see which related to R&D, marketing,... Chinese stuffs are cheap cause they don't pay for those things and they are crap(py).

However from inking point of view, with the "magic" pen, the Flyer is the best in market right now (do not consider Windows devices which are bulky and power hungry). But at the end, thinking about $500-700 laptops, we are definitely overcharged for Flyers. Still love them though. :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sdge:
Don't forget Sense. I think they put a considerable amount of time and money into Sense to make HTC devices distinguishable.

I'm not a huge fan of Sense, but I think the average consumer likes the clean look, and you can only get Sense with HTC, so they can charge more.

I sometimes think it is wise that HTC spends so much time on their UI because that's what the consumer notices.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Flyer.michael:
damn Dollar... i paid 650€ (Germany)for mine -> 950$ ... early adopter

What is wrong with American electronics prices?

Everyting half the price, as else where in the world.

But... still complaing

Maybe its the sign, for a drowning America... low prices are a result of peoples earnings and how much they can afford...

Looks like, they cant afford average world market prices anymore

So before you complain, compare world prices... thank the Germans, Russians Indonesians, Polish, Hispanics, Canadians... even guys in India and Africa that they can afford to subsidy your low priced gadgets through their up to 3 times higher prices... (worst is Dell/Alienware)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] skywalkr2:
Gosh I don't really think so. I think its because things have ALWAYS been cheaper here than overseas. It might also depend on sales volume. There are a lot of people in the US vs some European countries. It perhaps cheaper to market/sell products here vs some more bureaucratic nations. But thats just my guess.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] blue blue man:
So TRUE. And check the oil price, price of almost everything too (of course we have a bit higher tax here in Europe).

The whole world (especially developing countries) is "subsidizing" the US market. Not so much for us in Europe. But we are "trying hard" now to have subsidy from Africa, Asia, Middle East. LOL.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] SciFlyer:
It is cheaper to ship in the U.S. because fuel prices are lower than Europe. We still produce much of our own fuel. Taxes are lower in the U.S.. The number of consumers with disposable income is higher in the U.S.. The highway infrastructure in the U.S. is better than most European countries.

Sum that all up and we get cheaper prices on most consumer goods.

HTC Flyer / Tapatalk
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bucklee:
We have cheaper electronic at the moment, because our economy is f'd up and Chinese Government is holding there currency close to ours, it use to be pinned to the Dollar. Since Europe has a stronger Euro you will always pay more. I can go into how messed up our economy is currently but this is not the place or time. This device is for someone who needs it because of the function(s) and apps that is not integrated into other Tablets. For me the "Pen" and the size of the flyer. If this cost too much you either need to get a better paying job or buy something that is more in line with what you can afford, which comes back to how f'd up our economy is. I use this for work, play, and leisure so I am getting my worth out of the Flyer. I think like most people on this forum, I have way too many devices to even mention, most are used sparingly. This is one of the few electronics that I feel I'm getting my money's worth. As soon as some releases an App that I can really draw with the Scribe pen, it will be even better.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] dsf3g:
Seriously... the notion that the rest of the world is subsidizing U.S. electronics purchasers is just silly. That's not how business or economics works.

The reason electronics cost less in the US are manifold, but include lower regulatory hurdles for producers and merchants, lower taxes, lower wages, a more flexible labor market, a single, very large integrated consumer market that mostly speaks the same language, and a tremendous amount of competition.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that the US model is better than other places. Honestly, increasing disparities of wealth and increasing lack of health insurance coverage in this country have me thinking that our model is unsustainable in the long run. But it's just absurd to suggest that the American consumer is being subsidized from abroad.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] dsf3g:
We've always had cheaper electronics, even in the 1990s, when our economy was in great shape.

You are right, though, that the price of electronics is low in part because the Chinese are artificially depressing their currency vis a vis the dollar (that's why they own so much of our debt). The Chinese are currently pursuing what is, essentially, a mercantilist economic policy in hopes of growing their economy and producing a mature manufacturing sector that can compete globally on all fronts (not just labor costs).
[Galaxy S II General] Tyanno:
What do you think?

Is it worth the money?
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
Is it worth the money? My answer is both yes and no.

Your thread title is misleading.
[Galaxy S II General] SuperbQ:
Worth the money.
[Galaxy S II General] kazama82:
worth then sensation obviously..
[Galaxy S II General] gregr82:
Love this phone very customizable.
[Galaxy S II General] Intratech:
If you can't afford it don't buy it. Simples.
[Galaxy S II General] supertazzta:
i think it is.. :)
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
The current price here in The Netherlands is 420 euro's which is a decent price when compared to other phones in the market.

You should work on your title skills.
[Galaxy S II General] Gustopher:
Perhaps replacing the exclamation mark (!) with a question mark (?) might have more people engage with this thread in a more open-minded manner. Sounds like a statement otherwise and you may get some flak.

Of course, if you do that then logically it should have been posted in Q&A...:)
[Galaxy S II General] jpxdude:
It's very subjective, and depends on your area, and the particular deal you purchased.

For me in the UK its a very well priced phone, and my contract together with the handset works out on average more than half the price of a typical iPhone 4 deal here which is a bargain.
[Galaxy S II General] alexilaih0:
I think the price is 1000% OK.

look at kotPhone...

mfg
[Galaxy S II General] m2smoe:
Well, considering the iphone4 (imo vastly inferior) is still 200-250 euros more in my area, I would say the galaxy s2 is definitely worth the money.
[Galaxy S II General] bluesith:
best thing ever imho
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
Yeah if we compare it to the Iphone4 this phone is relatively cheaper but quality control is also lower.

In my place Iphone4 16GB is $837 while the S2 is just $667, the S1 came out at $767 here.
[Galaxy S II General] aydc:
It's not a phone, it's a cheap but capable laptop that can also make calls.
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
It is, absolutely.

But there are some people who never believes 'worth the money' term, don't know in which class you belong ;)

Regards.
[Galaxy S II General] lynzoid:
Iphone 4 worth it's money.

Wannabe-iphone-from-korea - does not.
[Galaxy S II General] lotacus:
I can go into a store and point out 60 other phones that are over-priced.
[Galaxy S II General] jonny68:
No offence to the OP but bit of a silly thread to start,clearly the majority of people on here are gonna think this phone is worth every cent.
[Galaxy S II General] systemcrasher:
Hmm, I bought HTC HD2 for $600 last year... bought HTC Desire HD for $550 early this year...I bought my SGII for $659 two weeks ago, and dollar vs features tells me it's not that overpriced..

i can think of million other things that are more overpriced on this planet..

it's simple equation really.. if you think the SGII is overpriced, then buy a phone that you don't think is overpriced.

Maybe Xperia Arc?
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
ARC and Overprice can't come together. ARC is not overpriced. It is foolishly priced.

Regards.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
ROFL!

No offense to the sony diehards!
[Galaxy S II General] holyguyz:
Worth money for current SGS2 spec in the market.

But...

It's not worth for bundle of problems on my SGS2. For me, it's all about the quality, not money.

Think twice, and that's your choice.

If you really interest to buy SGS2, then you must make sure you don't get the earlier batch stock.
[Galaxy S II General] jrkitching:
Here in the UK quite a few folks sell their unwanted contract upgrades on ebay.

If you compare the price you'd pay for such a phone (new in a sealed box) with the price you'd pay for the same phone retail, that will give you some idea of what the market thinks it's worth.

On that basis, I'd say it's hard to justify the OP's statement that the S2 is overpriced. If it was, those 'phones would be selling for a lot less.
[Galaxy S II General] androidkid311:
Hmmm i think its over priced but i got mine for £340 brand new sooo im not complaining lol but normal price it is.

Sent from my porn shoot using GT-I9100.
[Galaxy S II General] THUDUK:
Bit like going into a cottage cheese factory and saying "hey is cottage cheese worth the money"

:rolleyes: