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[Xoom General] p-slim:
I'm one of those people who look at the whole picture, Google could've have done this just to save android. Google is making money from android in the long run and don't want to see it end. If google didn't buy moto, moto was about to start suing everyone including htc and samsung, that civil war could've killed android, now Google has those patents and android can continue, I don't see it as anything more than that
[Xoom General] csseale:
Of course they are behind it...I read all the quotes. It protects them. They know android is hot and they know Google did what it had to do. But rest assured they also know one day Google will have to answer. And there is no way they can continue to help competition thus hurting moto mob. Like I said this is very awkward position for Google to be in.
[Xoom General] albundy2010:
Oems could care less. Oems don't want their devices to GED devices. They want to custumize it to their liking. The carriers do this as well.

Examples are the nexus phones. Lets start with the n1. Vodaphone version ( same phone but a carrier from) was always behind in updates. Then lets look at HTC. HTC made the nexus 1 and its brother the desire. They are basically the same exact phone. What has HTC done with that phone? Basically nothing.

Samsung with the S is the same thing.

You know who really gets the best out of having a GED device and new version of android built in conjunction with the device? The SoC maker.
[Xoom General] rschenck:
They are likely waiting and seeing, no matter how they may feel about the deal, which is sensible...and in the meantime they are going to say whatever they need to not to upset or offend Google, not to mention their own shareholders.

Imagine what would happen to HTCs stock price if their CEO released a statement along the lines of "OH NO! This could totally screw up our plans for the next three years!"...but I am sure they are saying similar things behind closed doors.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>"We have the most popular operating system in the world which we are making no money on. Apple makes silly amounts of money by selling fewer phones due to making their own hardware. We have a hardware company now....show us the money."

Google's "do no evil" corporate motto is a standout. Now, business realities will pre-empt at times, as to wit the China censorship dealings before Goog decided to bail, but by and large Goog has been trying to live up to its credo. It's not a surprise since the founders are still in charge. It's when the founders leave and be replaced by corporatchiks, that yours above will come into play.

To say that shareholders can force Google to act like Apple (to make more money), is akin to saying that shareholders can force Steve Jobs into open-sourcing iOS. That's not reality. Each company has its core competency, and Goog's up to now is not in hardware. To go "integrated" and forsake the vendor relationships that made Android the top mobile OS it is today, is not going to happen, at least not any time soon.

I'm curious of all the gung-ho "be like Apple" talk from the some, who in the same breath profess their dislike for Apple. Are we talking about closet envy here? Do you really want to see Google take its Android ball and play by itself?

>If google didn't buy moto, moto was about to start suing everyone including htc and samsung, that civil war could've killed android, now Google has those patents and android can continue

Agree. Quotes from Android vendors (cribbed from Engadget):

Peter Chou, CEO, HTC: We welcome the news of today's acquisition, which demonstrates that Google is deeply committed to defending Android, its partners, and the entire ecosystem.

Bert Nordberg, President & CEO, Sony Ericsson: I welcome Google's commitment to defending Android and its partners.

Jong-Seok Park, President & CEO, LG: We welcome Google's commitment to defending Android and its partners.

Sounds like happy campers to me.
[Xoom General] rschenck:
I have no desire for android to be treated like iOS, but there are also business realities at work....and yes, Steve Jobs WOULD answer to shareholders if they really wished him to. His success and cult of personality make that unlikey, but I already feel bad for his eventual successor.

As for your list of happy campers...did you not notice that they each use almost the exact same words. They all "welcome" the "commitment" to "defending"...what a coincidence. Sony Ericsson and LG literally said EXACTLY the same thing word for word....amazing.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
True but they could choose just not to make a statement at all instead of lying saying they fully support it.
[Xoom General] csseale:
You should reread the previous posts.

Apple shareholders do not need to open Ios as its doing excellent.

Google has never been do no evil. They have been do innovation. If you honestly believe a company can continue to help other companies thus increaseing sales for said companies which in return hurts the original company causing hurts in the stocks....your mistaking. The board will surely eliminate brinn and page without batting an eye.

Yes the patents are a big deal and helps all involved parties. But Google will have zero choice but to tip the table towards moto. Sorry but that's business.
[Xoom General] rschenck:
How could they not make a statement without being seen as opposed to the deal? When this news broke the phones at HTC and Samsung must have started ringing off the hook.
[Xoom General] armychris28210:
In the end, Google is a business. I'm sure that they will not look for ways to lose money. If they can influence the development and competition of a product that they own, I'm sure they will, just as any smart business owner would do. I mean, why lose money to your competition if you own something they need. This is not a Mexican standoff, it is the beginning of a monopoly.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
I'm not sure you're looking at this correctly. Google will still write software for free and distribute it to the oems, now are you saying google will give Motorola early software months in advance, this will not happen. Google will definitely try to make Motorola money but by doing it by giving them ice cream months in advance for example isn't happening
[Xoom General] rschenck:
They are two divisions of one company...why wouldn't they?

And even if we accept Google will really treat all vendors totally equally...do you really thing that team leaders in hardware and software wont communicate to do their jobs better?
[Xoom General] csseale:
Yea...hate to say it but android is about to become the Windows of the mobile world...and frankly do what windows did to apple.

I like apple for what they are but in the end they will forever keep themselves in this elite little world. But that works for them. But just like Macs are high end and used only by a minority...Soon the same fate will be the iPhone.

Again this is not bad but apple is not designed nor run to be like android or windows etc.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Umm yea. OK...please never try to CEO a corporation that has share holders...you won't make it long.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>Apple shareholders do not need to open Ios as its doing excellent.

By my last check, so is Android.

>which in return hurts the original company causing hurts in the stocks

Please show me something that shows HTC/Samsung/etc success with Android has hurt Google's stock price.

>But Google will have zero choice but to tip the table towards moto. Sorry but that's business.

I'm curious if you've ever run a business.
[Xoom General] armychris28210:
Hey competion,

I have a 100% sure way to make us all rich. Ya know that company that we all rely on for our <insert product>, well, I bought it. But you can still have it for free..... Eh no.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>I have a 100% sure way to make us all rich. Ya know that company that we all rely on for our <insert product>, well, I bought it. But you can still have it for free..... Eh no.

You do realize, that this is the exact pitch Google made for Android--a free mobile OS that any company can use to battle the iOS tide.

So, eh, yes.
[Xoom General] csseale:
No I haven't run a business such as these two giants. Nor do I need to. Its basic understanding. Or should I say basic business 101.

OK look at it this way...

You have been making car engines..your car engines are great and most people are using them in their cars..now you buy a car that needs money from its sponsors to survive. Now if you give every car the same engine at the same time and your car continually looses or comes in second do you then give your car the newest engine first..to get ahead of the game some before giving the others your engine. Then you win a few and make your sponsors happy versus before when they were dropping you because you were helping others win.

You can take the idea into any field and it still makes no sense to help the "now" competition.

Google is now in the hardware game and will now have to play in the dirt. They have never been here..and honestly probably shouldn't be...I wish them good luck but this is slightly going to contradict their move towards innovation
[Xoom General] armychris28210:
Pretty sure that was a similar pitch given to all companys that have been in a similar situation with a similar product. But there's always a victor, and yes, that is business. And I have ran a company before.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>Its basic understanding. Or should I say basic business 101.

What's basic business 101 is sticking to what works. Android's success has based on broad vendor adoption. Successful business is also based on good relationships. You do NOT destroy your relationships and what's been a successful model by taking your ball and going proprietary, all for the sake of emulating somebody that you're not.

>And I have ran a company before.

Past tense noted.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
I don't think this hurts innovation, this isn't wp7. every wp7 works and looks the same except for screen sizes and battery life but still samsung and htc make phones for that company. no matter what google does with the software it will be free and htc is still going to add htc sense on top of it, same with touch wiz.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Of course it will stay free. But moto will have the first out of the gate. Moto will have all the insider info. They will always have the leg up
[Xoom General] perveeus:
I agree - Google's entire business model is based on broad adoption of their products that will drive end users to their ad matrix.

To that end goal - they will further enhance their relationships IMO with their mobile handset partners to ensure competition & ultimate ad revenue delivery.

Yeah , Moto may improve their game a bit from here with the perceived (or otherwise) acumen of Google behind them but they won't be much ahead - if still behind the other handset makers - because of their current catchup position.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Which was a great idea before they did this...now they have to sell product..never had to do this before...the game has changed for them now.
[Xoom General] hammer4203:
Anyone ever think about the fact that htc and samsung both said they were leaning towards wp7? It wasn't but a few weeks to a month ago this was mentioned. I thought ya'll were paying attention. Why do you think motorola and google are doing this? DUH!
[Xoom General] perveeus:
That 'great' idea allowed them to go pay $12.5B in cash for a 2nd rate hardware assembler & 17000 patents.

I still maintain that they are less concern with hardware & maybe will let it go - even before the stockholders can express any opinions - and move forward to the cache of intellectual properties.

There is just no need to go away from their core competencies & mess with the casings when it's the OS that drives everything.
[Xoom General] rschenck:
Motorola said they were considering it too...so I doubt that was a motivation. Anyway this deal has been being worked on for a lot longer than a week or two.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>they will further enhance their relationships IMO with their mobile handset partners to ensure competition & ultimate ad revenue delivery.

Thanks for saying it better than I could.

>Moto may improve their game a bit from here with the perceived (or otherwise) acumen of Google behind them but they won't be much ahead

I admit, it's curious to see what Goog will do with a hardware arm. No doubt it will get some action, but Goog isn't dumb enough to rock the Android boat and get vendors upset. Win8/WP7 are viable alternatives. In fact, Acer & Asus are already hedging their bets by announcing Win-based tabs. Android isn't a lock for tablets. ICS will have only a 6-8 months head start on Win8 tabs.

Moto's DNA has been in handsets, ie high margins. I don't see it doing well in the soon-to-be commoditized tablet market. Tabs' prices are dropping, which will get worse once ICS go open-source, and the no-names join in. Having the official Google brand will help, but not that much.

One viable route I can see is by aping Amazon's "ecosystem play", ie go strong on Google's cloud services and make the user experience seamless. But Amazon is already here, and if all the smoke is an indication, the Amazon tabs will make a strong move. Fun.

The only certainty from this acquisition is that we won't see a Win8/WP7 toy from Moto any time soon.
[Xoom General] MitchRapp:
I hope this somehow translates to better XOOM support for, you know, the rest of the world (hi, Canada is here too... no updates since 3.0.1 !)
[Xoom General] hammer4203:
Hey I just think it helps moto and Google. Honestly the game is make money. If Google gets in the middle it will put a wedge between apple and ms. At least android will live. Who knows it may even push android further.
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
I'm fairly certain that the acquisition is purely about patents, and MMI will still operate independently.

In fact, given current FTC interest in Google, I wouldn't be surprised if they moved the patents to Google ownership then spun MMI back out into independence. (As having manufacturing ability might actually hurt Google in the FTC investigation.)
[Xoom General] rschenck:
I absolutely agree it was a good move and positive for Google and android, whatever effect it ultimately has on any other company.
[Xoom General] Xevilious:
I'm thrilled. This seems like an absolutely brilliant move on the part of Page and company.

Also, I don't think that other Android hardware developers have anything to worry about. In fact, I'd say that they have even less to worry about now that Google is getting all those Motorola patents.
[Xoom General] greeced:
Google has always been about an "open source" mentality in mostly all of it's products.

To say now that they will give motorola a competitive edge in it's own "ecosystem" would go against everything they've ever hold dear and go against as a company.

Google made it's fortune from ads. I don't know about you, but I've never spent a dime on any google product on my machine.

Google bought motorola for the patents and the patents alone. It will continue to operate as a separate company and will probably increase in market share because of end users mentality that Google is behind it. Not because they did anything different as a company.

The patents is what this deal is about. They are not going to alienate the two companies that brought android further than motorola ever did, that being samsung and htc.

And by giving a competitive edge to one company over another may have people thinking Google is the new steve jobs.

Not going to happen
[Xoom General] greeced:
Purely about patent posturing against "anti-competitive" companies like Microsoft and Apple:

http://m.kold.com/autojuice?targetU...a-mobility-for-125-billion-to-protect-android
[Xoom General] csseale:
Let me ask you....how will Google respond if moto mobs stock start to drop and get beaten out even more consistently by say HTC or Samsung?

And

If you were a major shareholder with your money on the line how would you expect them to respond?
[Xoom General] greeced:
Answer? It wouldn't matter to them.

You see, the patents alone are worth far more than motorola as an entire company.

12.5 billion is a lot. But in terms of all the licensing and everything else that they will get, it's a drop in the can.

Trust me. Motorola won't fail, but even if they did, Google only cared about the patents in this deal and could absolve the company or sell it to someone else without the patents included.

Face it. Motorola Mobility was not worth 12 billion as a company alone. It's worth far less than that without the patents
[Xoom General] csseale:
If Google lets moto drop and sells it off after stocks goto crap then it will have an effect on Google's stocks as well.

And then they are no longer the colorful little angel people make them out to be.

Point is Google has never been here before and while yes was a smart move for android..may be a risky move for Google.
[Xoom General] greeced:
I disagree, but time will tell.

Remember, large corporations have failed before operating as separate entities from their owners, with little or no effect on the mothers stock price. And those that did have their stocks fall, only had them fall slightly and quickly rebounded
[Xoom General] csseale:
Yes but most comments including yours are saying Google will just allow motos demise and will not step in when they have the means to repair the situation. There have been very few companies stuck in this type of problem.Google will possibly have the ability to revive moto...but you feel they won't...boards and shareholders and general public will not approve sorry.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Google has the means the same way htc and samsung do, create a great product, not create a great product by releasing said software early, honestly giving Motorola the software early technically wouldn't give them the advantage you're talking about. Google wants Motorola to succeed but they still need the other oems. If they do what you say that will help them on one end but hurt the other leg. So if moto mobility stock continues to do bad you're saying they will start getting software months in advance, not happening.
[Xoom General] Saintfyre:
It doesn't matter if they approve or not as Google is buying up the shares. Google has no need to revive Motorola if they do fail. They've had an amazing relationship with HTC and now have the patents from Motorola to protect the manufacturers of Android devices (Samsung, LG, Toshiba). So versus them isolating themselves from these other manufacturers and focusing on turning Motorola into their personal Android Factory, everyone wins on the Android side of this deal. Motorola is going to have to show that regardless of now being owned by Google they still have the ability to innovate and stay ahead of the curve in the products they produce, and if they don't there's other Android manufacturers who can step in and replace them.

As a poster above said, without the patents Motorola would have been worth FAR Less than $12.5 billion. And the $12.5 billion is just a drop in the bucket at this time for Google.
[Xoom General] cheetah2k:
I see a lot of negative responses in this thread, but IMO this is awesome news for Xoom (and Moto) users alike. I also see it as being more than just "Patents"..

It was only a matter of time until Google spent up big to buy out a Manufacturer. It was the only logical step.

Now Google can compete with Apple being both OS and phone manufactuer all in one, and just maybe Google can do something better with Motorola Mobility, because Moto was just running it into the ground with poor/lack of support, no clues on updates, bad customer service, etc..
[Xoom General] JCMX:
I agree. I fully expect to see MMI spun back out as an independent company after the patent cookie jar has been raided - sooner rather than later.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>I fully expect to see MMI spun back out as an independent company after the patent cookie jar has been raided - sooner rather than later.

The official line is that the Moto acquisition is to enhance the user experience, so expect Goog to hang on to Moto for a while.

The likely course is that Goog will experiment with its new hardware capability, much as it did with the Nexus One foray. But the crown jewel is still in search/advertising, and the strategy is still for a free OS/platfrom to propagate it. With pending competition in the burgeoning mobile space, vendor support is crucial, and Google doesn't have the luxury of kicking its partners to the curb. Google will play fair, not because it's a nice thing to do, but because business reality demands it.

BTW, the "be like Apple" angle has been tried before, by none other than Microsoft--to wit, the Zune, among some other aborted handset initiatives. They didn't go far. Apple's success isn't solely predicated on its closed system. It's just one element among several. In any case, going proprietary isn't in Google's (or rather, its founders') DNA. People don't change overnight.

Say that in a few years Android has become the dominant mobile OS, and Google has a stronger hand at calling the shots, then going proprietary may well be the way forward. But now isn't then. No one can say which mobile platform will become the top dog, let alone how it will get there.
[Xoom General] Lothaen:
are people still thinking that this is a bad deal?
[Xoom General] wang1404:
This is my take on the deal:

Better devices => better money
[Xoom General] perveeus:
My biggest hope besides the obvious technical advancements & uber kool devices:

better help desk support.

Heck just better instructions for all their wonderful product.

The Google forums aren't either monitored by google personel or usually the contributors usually don't know 100% for sure what the answer is.

I love XDA & scouring all of the net for solutions to Google product issue...sometimes...
[Xoom General] csseale:
Don't think so...Noone has ever said it was bad. Its all around good for consumers...the only question was being good for google
[Xoom General] Lothaen:
I can't see any negatives apart from apple/Ms perhaps
[Xoom General] logotype702:
The timing of Cyanogenmod developer hiring by Samsung is not a coincidence
[Xoom General] Lolento:
Nuh, there has been talk of that for long long time...

The Moto mobile news just came out of the left field. To me, it just means that Moto will continue to build the most vanilla Androids...
[Xoom General] Xevilious:
Gadget blogs like Engadget seem to be trying to spin Google+Motorola as something that will push hardware partners toward WP7. I'm sorry, but I think this perspective is idiotic, short-sighted, and essentially flamebait. If consumers want Android, manufacturers will continue making Android-based devices, and very little Google does is going to change that. I see the this move by Samsung as proof that the company has no intention of abandoning Android. If anything, it shows that they are increasing their investment, and taking competition to a new level. I hope that Samsung takes full advantage of this new Cyanogenmod connection.

Would I rather buy a true Google phone by Motorola or a Cyanogenmod phone by Samsung? That's a really, really tough call, but I might have to go with Samsung.