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[Motorola Photon 4G] Beknatok:
What is the relevance of the link that you posted? That too, is a purely software issue - the behavior of no physical hardware is altered. The "fuse" that is being reference is still purely software.

These SBF's don't magically change physical circuits or actively fry anything PHYSICAL.

As far as what "my little background" is, is as a computer scientist who understands the distinct differences between hardware and software and how they can and cannot interact with one another.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
amen.....im gonna blow a fuse laughing
[Motorola Photon 4G] nunyabiziz:
@Beknatok

Thank you for clearing that up. I may not understand everything, but im always trying to learn more.
[Motorola Photon 4G] roadster92:
From what I understand, the "fuse" is not hardware's fuse. It's more likely a programming bit set that get turn ON but can't never get turn OFF. So if there is a boot loader that checking the bit sets and does not like what it seen, it will turn your phone into a "brick" unless you have the specialize equipment and software that can do low level programming from Moto, you can not revive your phone. From what I understand from Atrix forum, user phone is brick because they downgrade the boot loader from newer boot loader (the new boot loader some how set the "fuse" bit so that it can not be downgrade), the old boot loader could not recognize the bit sets therefore their phone is brick.

Unless, I am understand it wrong .. someone can enlighten me. I have flashed photon unlock pudding over and over again but the 4G have not work therefore I flashed back to MR5... and I did this many times, included the testing version of pudding. My phone still function as it should with MR5.

And yes, I also check my ReservedOdm and I see that my "fuse" bit set has change or so call "burned" to the same number as the Atrix phone user whose phone did not get "brick". I don't have the original number but I think Photon and Atrix is similar device.

I think the word "FUSE" is really confusing a lot of people.

I don't think any manufacture would put in a hardware fuse to brick their phone, it would be hassle to replace a fuse if someone send the phone in for repair. They would rather do a low level programming with special tool and software by pass the bit check and burn a whole new clean firmware on top of it
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
dont feel bad.....people are used to "being tucked in" which means that they cant put 2 and 2 together to save their life....they blame their own ignorance on you, when it is you that deserve the most crrdit for delivering the unlocked bootloader in the first place. i think that you have tried really hard these past couple of days and i understand the effort that goes into troubleshooting a software issue. i want to thank you gor your efforts and there is no doubt that this will be remedy in the near future. you are right. there is really no advantage to an unlocked bootloader except for cwm at the present time but the fact that it can be unlocked is enough evidence that development will continue so thank you guys....
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
Voluntary hardware damage (blown fuses). AGAIN, that's different than rooted.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
Holy eff people the "fuses" are not hardware.
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
Your reaction is a bit over the top, don't you think ? Like I said, I am thankful for all you and other developers have been doing and already blamed myself for not thinking it through, so is it that hard to stay civilized ? If you have reading comprehension issues, maybe you should go over my post once more. I never insulted you or your work so I would suggest you chill a bit at this point.
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
Now, THAT was an intelligent post, not a "shoot now, ask questions later" reaction from the pelvis.

Thank you for taking the time to explain (freaking finally).
[Motorola Photon 4G] falcoxda:
Well the thing is, you do say you appreciate the effort and that you go on to say that you take some of the blame. But in the end you call out the op for not giving out explicit warning about possible permanent damage like in the other thread.

If I had just spent a whole lot of time trying to solve a problem with no luck, then have someone even indirectly blame me for something they should have known (lets face it anyone who roots or flashes their phone should absolutely know a bricking is possible). I'd be pretty pissed too.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Beach_Head:
@Yay 4 Juggs: Any chance you can upload the OEM Unlock sbf so that others can take a stab at finding a solution?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Beach_Head:
Damn straight!
[Motorola Photon 4G] roadster92:
is your phone still working as it should after flashing MR5? If it is then stop saying that it is a blown fuse. Let me put this in simple term "Most electrical device that got a blown fuse won't work unless your replace that fuse" I think you should go to Atrix forum and do some reading to get a clear understanding what is the "fuse" mean.
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
I not only thanked him for his tremendous efforts by clicking on the thanks button, I also put it in writing. I also said that I didn't think it through and I knew I was taking a risk. Are you dense or just licking arse ?
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
I'm sorry but I still think a warning should have been stated in the OP, but I totally understand his reaction, it's hard putting in all these hours and to feel attacked, I admit that but it was not meant in that way.

I apologize if I didn't convey the correct sentiment but sometimes it's not always a full-on blame on the writer, or the reader. I still admire everything all the developers do in these forums and this incident is more of a miscommunication issue than anything else. Can we put this crap to rest or should we waste another page of useless bickering ?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
I had to order a replacement Photon for a customer today for this very issue (unlock 4G failure). So unless the policy has changed since this afternoon and neither myself or regional was made aware of it, it still falls under Sprint's rooting policy. This mainly has to do with there's is no way the average tech can determine if the failure was caused by an unlock/root much less determine if a phone is rooted.

Back on topic:

I will be testing if flashing the phone back to stock resolves the 4G issue. Hopefully it does and I will report my findings in a couple hours (don't live in a 4G area).
[Motorola Photon 4G] mikeyinid:
Wow. I've been gone for a sec and people are still questioning whether 4G can be fixed or not? It's VERY simple to fix. Run CM5 in rsd and you will have 4G. Root til your heart is content, as soon as you unlock the bootloader, you break 4G again.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
i second everything after "back on topic"
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
Thanks, that's good to know.

Also, I believe it's already been established that flashing stock solves the 4G issue...
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
Sorry if I missed it, porting and testing on three completely different devices at the same time has me a bit scattered.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
Yes the stock moto CM5 fixes the issue..... a guy in the other pudding thread claims to have reverted back to the cm5 final build and flashed the 1mb bootloader file i.e. pudding v2,v3

and achieved unlocked status with 4g. I'm going to try it because im not scared of anything.............LOL!
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
heres the original post im referring to

Originally Posted by tim-tim:

"not true sir. im unlocked and i have 4g

if you can restore it to factory default by flashing cm5

then if you decide to unlock again, do not flash the full system wipe.

flash the 1mb bootloader file.

if it aint broke dont fix it."
[Motorola Photon 4G] mikeyinid:
Not just you, sorry. I'm a little in shock right now by the **** I'm seeing in this and other threads in the dev section. I feel like I'm back in the EVO section and I hate the EVO section.
[Motorola Photon 4G] roadster92:
Did that yesterday. Not working for me !!

So far that's the only person claimed he got 4G
[Motorola Photon 4G] mikeyinid:
That guy also admitted he is a liar. He never had working 4G after unlocking...
[Motorola Photon 4G] jonntek:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]

Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Frostbite>moto-fastboot flash system system.img

'moto-fastboot' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\Frostbite>c:\root moto-fastboot flash system system.img

'c:\root' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\Frostbite>c:\root>moto-fastboot flash system system.img

'c:\root' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\Frostbite>C:\root\moto-fastboot moto-fastboot flash system system.img

Fastboot version 1.0

usage: fastboot [ <option> ] <command>

commands:

update <filename> reflash device from update.zip

flashall flash boot + recovery + system

flash <partition> [ <filename> ] write a file to a flash partition

erase <partition> erase a flash partition

getvar <variable> display a bootloader variable

boot <kernel> [ <ramdisk> ] download and boot kernel

flash:raw boot <kernel> [ <ramdisk> ] create bootimage and flash it

devices list all connected devices

reboot reboot device normally

reboot-bootloader reboot device into bootloader

setserial <serial> set the device serial number

setrev <rev> set the device hardware revision

options:

-w erase userdata and cache

-s <serial number> specify device serial number

-p <product> specify product name

-c <cmdline> override kernel commandline

-i <vendor id> specify a custom USB vendor id

-b <base_addr> specify a custom kernel base address

-n <page size> specify the nand page size. default:

2048

What am i doing wrong???????? I already unlocked the boot loader and know i am trying to root but no dice......please help Juggs!
[Motorola Photon 4G] falcoxda:
Oh, I think that was a case of that person confusing the terms Rooted and unlocked. He was rooted with 4g, not unlocked.
[Motorola Photon 4G] mikeyinid:
No, he was being a douche. Knew he had no 4G and insisted he did.
[Motorola Photon 4G] jonntek:
Can someone please help me.....having problems rooting.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
I trust what the dev's say about the kernel source (the2dcour and company)....

so......how do we go about getting it? what has to be done?

do we just beg and beg....?
[Motorola Photon 4G] aaron130:
Where do u have the sdk folder? Cuz I see u put C:user and c:/ something else, it should just be c:/whatever u named ur sdk folder
[Motorola Photon 4G] aaron130:
Also make sure when trying to root that u have that system.img in the same folder as the moto-fastboot
[Motorola Photon 4G] jonntek:
I have a folder named ROOT. Thats the folder i used to unlock the boot and thats the folder i put the system.img
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
TO ALL

If it will assist in getting 4G working on unlocked phones please feel free to use the support chat on my website. The chat supports links and private messages and will be faster than thread posting. I can also give temp admin rights to the devs as well, if needed.
[Motorola Photon 4G] aaron130:
So it should be c:/root hit enter

Then do the command flash system system.img of whatever it is lol
[Motorola Photon 4G] roadster92:
Do this:

cd\

cd \root

moto-fastboot.exe flash system system.img
[Motorola Photon 4G] aaron130:
But also do u have that root folder right in your c drive?
[Motorola Photon 4G] aaron130:
Exactly. cd c:/root enter then the command to flash
[Motorola Photon 4G] jonntek:
and thats what i am doing but it tells me wrong command
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
Post deleted....
[Motorola Photon 4G] jonntek:
this worked. Thanks
[Motorola Photon 4G] falcoxda:
That is pretty douchey, just diverts attention from real problems/solutions.
[Motorola Photon 4G] roadster92:
You did not do that right you have moto-fastboot twice in your typing

"C:\Users\Frostbite>C:\root\moto-fastboot moto-fastboot flash system system.img"

Best is to change to that folder as I have showned and tried it
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
WOW....

Heres something weird.......

I Reverted back to CM5 from the unlocked bootloader .sbf and all my apps and root were still present, but bootloader locked.

Heres why.....

When i was unlocked I flashed the recovery partition with CWM. I booted into CWM and backed up my system. When I flashed back to the original CM5 image it failed @ 99% as usual and froze.

I did a Battery pull forcing the system into recovery mode and the phone booted up with two things different 1. a locked bootloader and 2. 4g service....so in the end i achieved what i wanted to do in the first place by unlocking the bootloader and that was to back up my system. anytime the system goes into auto recovery i will be reverted back to a state where i created that rom in the recovery flashed CWM.........interesting.

update....lost root, but retained apps and settings, gained back 4G

i will root via dock or system img
[Motorola Photon 4G] zikronix:
I had that happen except I didn't back up with cwm and my sbf didnt fail so explain that

Sent from the motherfn now network.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
when i flashed sf to unlock the boot loader i lost everything.

edit...i remember now.. i flashed the recovery in fastboot
[Motorola Photon 4G] ScandaLeX:
No, that person who was confused rooting/unlock was me.

tim-tim on the other hand just lied. mikeyinid tried his steps exactly and they didn't work in which the next reply was "sorry for the joke." I'm still trying to figure out how someone thought lying was a joke....ijs
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
yeah that pissed me off cause it kinda set me back a whole day's worth of research...there is light at the end of the tunnel so just bare with me please...the source was said to be released by the 19th so i am feverishly checking their page for updates...i know it's ****ty but again i apologize for this and will make it right!!!!!!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] ScandaLeX:
The only thing you did was try to help all of us unlock the bootloader. You've nothing to apologize for. None of you (devs) knew this would happen and the fact that 4G can be obtained by relocking means no one has to run out and get a new phone. :p

If nothing else, I'm rooted and can patiently read these threads while you guys work your magic. Thats really all any of us can do. I'm one of many that appreciates the efforts of all the developers.

Now....the source? Are you referring to the kernal?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
yes we believe the fix is in the kernel and that comes from the souce code(i really hate that they made a movie with that as a title...)
[Motorola Photon 4G] joetemp75:
All you did was try to help us move forward with the development of our phones. It is their own fault if anyone flashes anything without knowing what they are doing. If I brick my phone it is MY fault.
[Motorola Photon 4G] blue23dragon4:
Can I unlock my boot loader using a Mac?, if so can anyone post instructions on how to do so....thanks in advance.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Bandage:
TBH there's no current benefit for having our BL un-locked. Not as if there's tons of ROMs or an OC kernel ready to flash at this point. People need to take a deep breath, and be happy that we've got Root at this point. The rest will come in time!
[Motorola Photon 4G] jglee311:
I know I've said it before, but just wanted to throw it out there one more time. THANK YOU YAY.....for all the hours you and your colleagues put in to help us out. I just caught up on this thread and let me just say to anyone that wants no part of potentially damaging/bricking/etc. their device...this is NOT the forum for you. It's a Development site/forum...period.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Calkulin:
Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of days so I haven't read the thread but is the kernel different on the M5 release than the unlock release?
[Motorola Photon 4G] mikeyinid:
Yes, I believe it is different.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Calkulin:
Here's the build I have, so someone with the M5 release please compare and if it is different and you are rooted, see below and then post that boot.img for us to look at

2.6.32.9-00032-g60a2e4b

eaz002@fl36bld22 #2

EDIT: I just looked at the pic Yay has up on the M5 release thread and it matches mine, so I don't think the issue is the kernel as I have no 4g with it
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
i flashed back to cm5 and that is the build i have...

are you still unlocked?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Calkulin:
Yeah I am, I just couldn't remember if the kernel I had was pulled from M5 or unlocked version but did you try flashing that file I had mention in PMs or did you just pull the unlockable bootloader from it and added it the m5 release sbf?
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
Caulkin, im prety new to android and the different development environments and programs....i will pull my kernel (CM5)

where do i run "cat" command line?sdk?

my kernel version is

2.6.32.9-00032-g60a2e4b

eaz002@fl36bld22 #2

im familiar with some of the modes such as fastboot and rsd and im sure if you gave me instructions i could pull it in a couple min.

edit.....im guessing adb.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
i flashed via oemunlock but the bootloader was pulled from it and added to m5 as well as pudding unlocker
[Motorola Photon 4G] Calkulin:
That's the same version I have, so no need to pull it but for future reference, that's a adb or terminal command
[Motorola Photon 4G] Calkulin:
Have you tried flashing the stock unlocker sbf to see if 4g works on that?
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
ok.

c:\androidsdk\platform-tools>adb cat ............

is that the correct syntax?

looking through the dev guide...
[Motorola Photon 4G] Calkulin:
Actually it's adb shell cat......
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
thanks you.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
at least 18 times in the past 2 days...i just cannot figure this one out...
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
what strikes me as odd is that when i was unlocked.... the 4g would at first connect for 1 to 2 seconds, but then would immediately disconnect. I dont understand
[Motorola Photon 4G] Thexfactor2011:
I just curious and I'm sure the devs have cleared this one but I figured I ask anyway. So we turn on 4g the radio starts, it begins the scan and then sprint shows up with a -9999 signal and it fails to connect and then it loops again blah blah.... With this update could the driver or kernel module for the 4g/wimax be different or wrong? maybe configured incorrectly? Its been a long time since I dug into the hardware part of linux but it is fun.

Keep up the good work!
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
yes something is being triggered by the kernel to kick out 4g...without souce a new kernel with fixes cannot be compiled unless you want to try to modify the kernel from this sbf
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
To clarify:

Completely Stock=4G

Rooted and Locked=4G

Rooted and Unlocked= NO 4G

Rooted, Unlocked and CWM=NO 4G

is this correct?

Now this is a carry over from my Evo testing but if you s-off (unlock) an Evo, flash a custom recovery then s-on (relock) you can still Flash/Backup/Restore the phone through recovery. As long as you do not flash anything that overwrites/wipes the recovery, like a full update (or sbf in the case of the Photon) , you're fine. With that being said, what about the following:

1. root, unlock and flash custom recovery

2. relock bootloader with modified "stock" sbf that doesn't overwrite recovery

3. reroot

If this works, you pretty much end up with a "custom" locked phone that retains almost full unlocked functionality. The only thing you loose is the ability to update the custom recovery.

Granted this is a temp fix but it will allow users to have 4G while retaining the features that a custom recovery offers. Just throwing some ideas out there.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
that's an option i will look into tonight.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ooxcfhxoo:
thanks juggs...recovery is really the only benefit from an unlocked bl anyway
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
That and custom kernels. I can definitely live with Loki's suggested idea as a workaround, once we are on a ROM we like, unless all you want to do is try new ROMs, it's a perfectly acceptable way of doing things.

I am always looking to improve battery life and performance with custom kernels but let's be honest, the original stock already gives us great battery life and quite decent performance.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
What work around? Did I miss something again?
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
Sorry, your workaround, I made a mistake. I edited the post ;)
[Motorola Photon 4G] e-motion:
Following that idea, can't we just relock with a rooted SBF like a pseudo-rom that includes the necessary components of Pudding ? That way we could flash Roms like Laser and save some steps.
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
Hmmm This has a TON of logic... Hopefully one of the devs looks into this and can pull it off.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
repacking sbf now to test it
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
Fingers crossed! :o
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
no dice...unable to patch the recovery into the CG
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
:-( I got a question though. I come from the HTC camp and was wondering if I can root and yet keep 4G working? What is the real purpose of having the bootloader unlocked? Can I simply root and still have the bootloader locked? Sorry for the stupid questions and I really appreciate what you are doing for the Photon community.

Sent from my MoPho
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
rooting has no effect on 4g it's the kernel pushed with the unlocked bootloader that borks it so feel free to root away!
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
Ok, so in order not to lose 4G, I can root but not have a custom recovery?

Sent from my MoPho
[Motorola Photon 4G] beartrap:
You can have a bootstrap recovery that functions almost the same as a full recovery. You can flash p-roms and make nandroid backups. I've rooted with the bootstrap recovery and still have 4g working.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Beach_Head:
Is there any reason why you can't post the OEM Unlock SBF here?
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
Oh ok, that makes sense. If you don't mind, can you show me which thread you used for the bootstrap recovery and root method? I don't have a dock and I see many threads with different methods, so I'm a bit confused. Thanks buddy.

Sent from my MoPho
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
bootstrap

easiest root method
[Motorola Photon 4G] ZiggSVO:
Exactly however you can run the bootstrap recovery if needed
[Motorola Photon 4G] beartrap:
I used the dockless root given in the link posted after your post, but found these instructions a little clearer.
[Motorola Photon 4G] roadster92:
Connect your phone to your AC outlet

Run the system recovery app that you installed

Choose recovery and wait for it to reboot into recovery

That's it
[Motorola Photon 4G] Calkulin:
How about packaging the stock bootloader into a sbf by itself?
[Motorola Photon 4G] d4sheriff:
Has anyone posted or know if the the original SBF that came with the phone is available. Would like to flash back to out of the box stock.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
now that's something i never thought of...give me a few min
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
because the oem unlock breaks more than just 4g
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
Quick question... can I do these commands with the terminal emulator instead of adb? Can I just put the files on my cell storage and run the commands with the terminal emulator? I ask because I'm at work and don't have a PC near me right now.

Sent from my MoPho
[Motorola Photon 4G] mikeyinid:
In the other thread the2dcour said the unlock is not reversible? I dont really care if it is or not, just wanna know one way or the other
[Motorola Photon 4G] Yay 4 Juggs:
You're not reversing the unlock by flashing the cm5 sbf you're wiping it out...

BUMP FOR RELEASE!!!!