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[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
The Mazaa is a lot faster than the Trophy from what I can tell (and I felt the Trophy was pretty darn fast). My Trophy device is running 7712, so I can't imagine that the speed gain is due in any large part to having Mango RTM. More likely due to improved device internals.
[Windows Phone 7 General] qsr786:
I would very appreciate it if you could make a video or the other persons who got the HTC Mazaa pls..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
I still don't have much installed, so I will perhaps do a reset and record a quick video tonight that shows it from first boot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] qsr786:
yeah txh that would be very nice if you could compare the 2 devices side by side for example speed of ie9, games...
[Windows Phone 7 General] amirox:
same design

is it just me or is it really sad that the inovation is stagnating? maybe im just blinded by this mindblowing development of the smartphone market in just 10 years... anyway the design of the trophy was bad back then and renaming it to mazaa doenst change that..
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Its a development phone, not a retail phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nanoware:
Actually what is intriguing me is that the version of mango RTM you are running on your HTC Maza is 7720.500 whereas the latest one leaked to xda a few hours ago is 7720.68 ... Anyone else notice this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Yep. The leaked seems to not be the final RTM even.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cpitt:
Just got a call from Ben Lower, the guy who was heading up the student dev contest. Turns out I can't sell the phone. Apparently there was supposed to be an agreement in the box with the phone, but there was a mix up in shipping, and it never got included.

Of course not having received any kind of agreement, and seeing another winner sell his for almost 700$'s the money was more attractive no matter how cool this phone is.

Ben was really nice about everything, and I agreed to pull the listing.

Honestly I was really looking forward to an extra 700+ dollars in my pocket, seeing as that's almost 3 months of gas for my gas guzzler, but oh well I guess I get to keep this awesome phone instead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
They seriously need to get this update/Mango/new phones out. I'm going to be out of 100 bucks (replacement), because I'm going to throw my Evo in the river. Nothing but force closes, lag, and ****ty battery life (eml).
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
Please do some seaching on this....It is the final RTM

7720 is the software version, the 500 is HTC's revision/version.

7720.68 is the RTM software, released to manufacturers, the 7720.xxxx, the xxxx will be changed by the OEM or carrier.

So, 7720.68 IS the RTM but, just not tweaked with other drivers or software for each carrier/OEM.

SO, 7720.68 IS THE FINAL VERISON. All features that will be part of Mango are there, this is no longer a beta. Every model will have 7720 but, the .XXXX will be different per model/OEM/carrier.

Does this help you understand ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] qsr786:
Hey when will you upload a Video to show speed difference of HTC mazaa vs htc trophy,ie9 for example :D?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mazeboy91:
I'm another Mazaa winner. I don't have a device to compare to, but it's really fast. Multitasking is especially slick. One thing I've been wondering about is the internal camera. It doesn't have the option to switch to front facing camera in the camera app, but I think it has one. Also, I tried to activate on sprint, but it didn't work. Any suggestions?
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Oh I already understand. This may be RTM but it certainly isn't final. Its just another beta (not literally, but in the sense that its incomplete still) until manufacturers and carriers do what they need to do with RTM.

This has already been made clear by numerous sources already. Its to be treated just like a beta. Not to mention the possibly broken update path by installing this leaked RTM and not the real final release (made for our specific device), which is not out yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
that's fair but it is quite similar, if not the same way, as nodo was released as well. Recall very few OEMs initially bundled nodo update and their specific oem update. Just pushed out nodo and the OEM updates came later. I know htc released an update 3 days later, but I think that was coincidence
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Wait what? LOL. The reason why NoDo took so long was because it had to go through manufacturers and carriers. Mango is going through the exact same thing right now. Even the whole Samsung phone fiasco was due to NoDo having to be further customized to work properly with specific Samsung phones even after NoDo RTM'd and had already gone through carriers/manufacturers.

NoDo was RTM long before it came out, it had to tweaked and customized, just like Mango has to be, before its really a final release meant for a daily device.

Mango 7720.68 is a generic release meant to be sent out to carriers and manufacturers to be further customized, tweaked, and bug tested before its meant to be put onto a consumer-facing device. That's how its always been with any piece of software. So to call 7720.68 "final" is not correct, nor is it even wise for people to mess with something that came from a potentially unknown source. Course, no one really cares, they're gonna mess around with their phones, which is why we're all on this site to begin with. ;)

When NoDo was released to the public, it had been customized by each carrier and phone manufacturer before being sent out to your device. Any supplemental updates after that, regardless of whether it was a day after NoDo was released, or a month, was in addition to the customizations already on the device. Might have just been a bugfix, or a small update that didn't get to the shipping product in time, but was made available shortly after the shipping product released.

That HTC update you speak of was targeted to a certain device, not all HTC devices. It was a supplemental update for some HTC phones, just to fix some things, in addition to the customizations already present from HTC/carriers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
OK - I can't post external links yet, but I made some videos.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
So I guess I need to post a few more times to link to videos.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
I did one video that has a side-by-side of the Trophy and the Mazaa. And another that shows the Mazaa bootloader as well as the Initial Windows Phone setup on the device.

See post below...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
Videos:

[YOUTUBE]MDVlutUVEMw[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]HT3RD87dHVU[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
I have one too, but I'm going to use it for developing. However i would like to have it for daily use too, but it hasn't got a RTM version on it. Anyone with the same phone and situation has a clue how to update it ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
Well, yes, and no. As for Mango, if someone here is expecting new features, no you wont see this. It wont be officaly final till the carriers make it better or damage it with their drivers, software for each device.

As for the features and final "mango" product Yes, it's final but, as for each device's software, custom updated OEM drivers and firmwares, no it's not.

I think that clears up what your saying a little more with out confusing people, like saying it's a just a beta does.

For a lot of people, this version might run better than the Carriers/OEMs version....Depending on the quality of the drivers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] turdsamich:
which version is on your phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
7600.WM7_Main

From the date in the build number it looks like a 20/March build
[Windows Phone 7 General] rob2910:
I'm also a winner from the UK. They shipped it out here which was very nice. But today ive just recieved an invoice for £75 from FedEx! Apparently i owe them VAT.

not happy
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
Contact them, they paid for mine
[Windows Phone 7 General] rob2910:
Will do, thanks.

Don't suppose you can remember the contact? Not really sure who to contact.

Appreciate it
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
Send a message to Ben Lower on Twitter. He should be able to help you out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
Have any of the other winners been able to activate their phone on vzw? I can register by MEID with them, but I can not get a signal from the device radio to dial the activation number. Also tried it with a SIM, tho that shouldn't be necessary for CDMA.
[Windows Phone 7 General] winphoneviet:
no more pics? is this a joke?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
I attached two videos in my earlier post. If you want more pics, tell me what you are interested in seeing. Hardware is almost identical to the Trophy on the surface, so not too much more to see there. In fact, unless you remove the battery, there is no way to tell the difference (other than the missing Verizon branding).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ronclone:
Nice... Did you get the rtm 7720 mango for the trophy? My omnia seems faster with rtm...
[Windows Phone 7 General] abhilaksh:
sorry to revive this thread, but I just received a Mazaa, and I have a few questions.

1) How would I go about activating the phone on a carrier's network without access to an app like HTC connection setup?

2) As mentioned, some of the drivers seem incompletely configured (lights, for example)

3) Anyone figured out if a trophy rom works on the Mazaa?

4) tentative question - is a jailbreak possible?

Congrats to everyone who won a Mazaa. Cheers to everyone who has it through other means. Help me out people. It's no fun to win a cripple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lancewmccarthy:
I also won the htc mazza. I am a little disappointed that I cant use htc apps on it. I was wondering if there was a way to trick the hardware into thinking it was a Trophy? They appear to be the same hardware and by flashing it as a trophy might fix all of this.

I have an hd7 as my personal and dev device, and a dell venue pro. I've tried to trick the mazza into updating to 7720.68, and I dont even know if our Mazzas are on the update track (they may be stuck in mango). 7720.50 appears to be completely identical as 7720.68

I use the mazza strictly for it's ability for me to use the motion APIs. I can test my apps side by side with my hd7 (which doesnt have a gyro and relies on the accelerometer).

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[/COLOR]Just one word of caution about selling the device. Before Microsoft released the mazza to the winners, I had to sign a modified version of an NDA. It explicitly says that we are NOT allowed to sell the devices and if MS were to ask for it back we are legally required to return it. Each one has its own serial number is is linked to us.

I'm sure a good percentage of the winners just signed the NDA quickly to get the mazza sent ASAP and did not read it. It was only about 6 pages.

Also the mazza is extremely superior to the hd7 in terms of speed and hardware (only 8Gb ram , but it a dev device and you dont need more). Using the "WP Bench" app i tested

85.26 for the Mazza running 7720.50 WP Benchmark score for speed! (using wp bench, and is #10th highest score ever recorded on the WPBench site). I ran a second test and got an 85.98 which pushes it up to #6th highest recorded score !

DO NOT GET RID OF THE MAZZA

!

56.53 for the hd7 running 7720.68 (#935 on the list)

61.06 for the Dell Venue Pro

Clearly an advantage, seriously #6? I was shocked! The mazza has some serious hardware, To the best of my knowledge, I have the 6th most fastest Windows Phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] HypeZ85:
yo, i'm just another one possessor of Mazaa.. seems like all the 50 winners are here ;)

In the video posted here from Mike48236: youtube.com/watch?v=HT3RD87dHVU

he can access to the boot menu just holding down the volume down button while booting. I tried too and nothing happen, have someone my same issue?

Btw, here my os info (never updated):

Os version: 7.10.7720.68

Firmware revision number: 1600.1502.7720.68

Hardware revision number: 112.1410.1.0

Bootloader version: 7.27.0.0

Seems like this mango version is still buggy and uncomplete.. sometime when calling the initial sound before the real call goes on very high volume (my ear still hurts) and using any language != from English US results in a camera/videocamera without any option.

This sucks, have anyone success with a different rom flashing or update?
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigepidemic:
Mazaa Bootloader Menu

Anyone know how to get to the bootloader menu on a Mazaa with 7720.68 on it?

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Hey, the screenshot of the Mazaa about screen has an NAI value with a verizon value in there. My Mazaa doesn't have that. Is that phone provisioned for Verizon and if so, how did you do that?
[Windows Phone 7 General] m0ngr31:
I've been trying all night to figure it out, just to see if I could see if it's seeing my sd card or not. The closest I can get is the connect to PC image
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigepidemic:
My Mazaa doesn't have an Sd slot. Yours does? Does yours have an engraved number on the case? If so, is it a D1 or D2 or something else?
[Windows Phone 7 General] m0ngr31:
yeah mine does. Its in the same spot the one on the Trophy is at. I can't get it to work though.

it does have an engraved number. It starts with "D2". Is there a difference between the models?
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigepidemic:
Sure you don't mean SIM card? I have a Sim but no Sd. Mine is a D2 also
[Windows Phone 7 General] m0ngr31:
Yeah it's definitely a microSD card slot. You have to take the entire back off and pull up a corner of the foil to see it.

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[YOUTUBE]cTiub7r6Y0E[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigepidemic:
Ah..

So, in trying to find how to get to the booloader screen on the Mazaa (which I still haven't achieved) I did find one strange mode.

If you hold down the volume up button when you power on the Mazaa vibrates 5 times and there's nothing on the screen. If you plug it into the computer the USB driver detects it and says you need to format the disk before you can use it.

Does this mean its in a storage mode, and the storage space is blank? Since it doesn't mount without a format I'm kinda worried about clicking yes since I don't really know what's going on.

Is this a normal mode for the phone, and what storage space is it finding?
[Windows Phone 7 General] m0ngr31:
I've been able to access this mode before, but I didn't think to plug it into my computer. If you pull up Disk Management in windows, you'll see a ton of partitions.

It's pulling the partition table from the internal flash, and my microSD card is not seen by windows...
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigepidemic:
Ah, right. Hmm. Wonder if the combination of this device mode combined with software that can access this data give us access to read/flash the ROM on the phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] blaze2555:
I got a HTC Mazaa from MS too. It works with my t-mobile sim card, but I can't get data. I know that 3G won't work, but EDGE and MMS aren't working either. I tried all the t-mobile APNs, but no luck. The HTC connection setup app won't recognize my phone. Is anyone else having these issues with t-mobile?
[Windows Phone 7 General] m0ngr31:
Until we can get it to recognize itself as an HTC phone, I think we're out of luck :(

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I don't know much about roms and stuff with wp7 because I've been on webOS for the last few years, but would it be possible to merge some things from the Trophy ROM and baking it into the Mazaa, or is that not possible for mango yet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] HypeZ85:
i don't know if we can do that.. the internal hardware in mazaa is really different from the Trophy, almost double score in wp bench!
[Windows Phone 7 General] m0ngr31:
But if we could just get it to think it was some kind of HTC device we'd be able to do quite a bit more. I'd just be happy to get the sd card working.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
Hi all,

So, from my earlier posts, you may know that I was trying to get my phone working on Verizon. I harrassed the Microsoft guys about this, and they ended up sending me a new Mazaa that was provisioned for CDMA. There was still a problem with the device, though – it only had build 7600 on it (which, by the way, included some fun tools).

The main problem with build 7600 was that it was pretty buggy. Microsoft then sent me a Connect invite which gave me access to an image update for the phone (ffu format).

The phone now has 7720 – and it is working on Verizon – but, a few little issues do still exist for me:

There is less storage than there should be (I think you guys are onto something with the partitions)

My data connection it stuck on DO – no 3G

The hardware buttons to light up

I can no longer access the bootloader. I can, however, get to that 3 vibe boot state.

**What is interesting in this image update, though, is that I can install and run HTC apps! The only one from the marketplace that is not working for me is the flashlight. Also, to my dismay, I have so far been unsuccessful in trying to sideload a version of the HTC Connection Setup app; which I think is the key to getting me 3G data.

Mike
[Windows Phone 7 General] m0ngr31:
Mike, have you tried adding a microSD card in? I'm curious to know if the update would fix that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
codejake on Twitter was trying to add an SD card with this build and wasn't able to get anywhere. If the SD slot is not active in the firmware, it may not be possible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] abhilaksh:
About the Vibe thing

Well,

My Mazaa hung up on me two days ago. It switched off, vibrated like crazy, and then there was nothing on the screen.

I thought it probably ran out of juice or something, so i plugged it into the computer.

Viola, it started installing something. Failed. Then said, "Your USB Device is not recognized." Boo.

It hasn't switched on since. At all. It doesn't boot into anything. No bootloader (which is only the camera key, btw, not cam and vol down). It doesn't even do the vibe thing.

I'm presently talking to Ben about it. Let's see where it goes. It's a shame. It's a really good phone. Hopefully I'll get somewhere.

I'd appreciate it if anyone has any ideas at all. (Mike, whom did you harass? :P )
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigepidemic:
Battery?

You tried pulling the battery?
[Windows Phone 7 General] abhilaksh:
yeah, i did. I even let it stand for a while - couple of hours.

Windows detects that somethings connected, but says, "Windows cannot identify the device. Try reconnecting the device. If Windows still does not identify it, your device may not be working properly."

GAH!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mike48236:
I'm sure you probably covered this; but when you pulled the battery, was the device unplugged from the usb?

I made the mistake before of thinking I was removing power by pulling the battery when in actuality it was still on - powered by the usb. This boot mode is perhaps a little too hidden for my taste.

Stick with Ben - he's was very, very helpful to me; especially given the fact that he is probably pretty busy these days.

I'm going to WP Dev Camp in Cambridge, tomorrow - if I come accross anyone who has advice, I will be sure to share.

(ahem - Cambridge, MA, that is)
[Windows Phone 7 General] abhilaksh:
yeah, it wasn't connected to anything at all. definitely out of power.

And I agree: GUYS! don't access this boot mode unless you know exactly what you're doing. Depending on the research i've done, its basically your boot record. Don't even connect it to a computer. Because it'll actually become a paperweight. There's no going back - even if you had a ROM, you can't flash it.

I sound so damn negative!

Ben's being good! Let's see where it goes.

Any info at all would be most welcome Mike!

(Cambridge had me there for a moment!)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dbradshaw:
Interesting, this was the exact opposite problem I had with mine. I popped in someone else's T-Mobile sim card and it seemed to work right off the bat without any changes. I later got a new AT&T card and it had the exact problem you are describing, however I was able to fix it by setting the proper APN settings for AT&T.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SamTaylor:
Same thing happened to my maaza device. Does anyone has a solution for this? I mean, is it possible to flash the bootloader again into the phone? If yes, does anyone has the bits corresponding to the bootloader?
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
Well, mine was close to unusable as it came.

The drivers seem wrong, accelerometer and gyro are way off. The battery last barely 4-6 hours of non-use or barely 1 of real use.

Overall, it's almost a brick already. Great, because I had to pay for import taxes and MS still hasn't refunded them.

Anybody has access to recent/decent OEM roms for this device ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] abhilaksh:
Please continue this discussion here:

We need a ROM image for the Mazaa before anything at all can happen.

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Here are the ROMs being used by people:

7.1.7649 - Test Rom. Has lots of Microsoft applications. But lacks quite a few features and stability.

7.1.7720.68 - Locked bootloader. Phone is recognized as an HTC Device, but Connection Setup doesn't run.

7.1.7720.500 - Is basically the same as .68 but with an unlocked bootloader. Phone not recognized as an HTC Device.

7.1.7740.16 - Updated via the official CAB [WP7 Cab sender tool]

Firmware revision number: 1600.1502.7720.68

Hardware revision number: 112.1410.2.0

Radio software version: 1.6.00.15.02

Radio hardware version: 8655/DDR2

Bootloader version: 7.27.00

Chip SOC version: 0.75.2.1

If anyone has different details, please post them.

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The major problem with all ROMs is the lack of drivers.

1) LED lights don't function

2) SD Card slot

3) Connection Setup drivers

4) Internet Sharing doesn't work

Secondarily, because of the lack of connection setup drivers, there's no interop unlock. Which means no homebrew. Which means this device is pretty much what a technophobe buying a smartphone for the first time needs.

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Does anyone know how to edit FFU (full flash update) files? They seem to be .cab files with a signed xml .blob in them.

Is there any way to edit these files?

Alternately, has anyone been successful at obtaining a stock ROM for the Mazaa? Because otherwise the device is extremely crippled.

Once we obtain a stock ROM, it's merely the point of identifying what drivers are missing, appealing to the DFT team to test the Mazaa to check whether HSPL/RSPL works, testing whether HTC Trophy drivers (and maybe other phones' drivers) work, cooking a rom, and flashing it. Once we get the ball rolling, it should all materialise.

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Finally, what other problems are people having with their Mazaas?

Here's a list of problems I've noticed across the net:

Low battery life (4 - 6 hours at most).

Inability to connect to CDMA networks

Inability to connect to certain GSM networks - lack of a valid IMEI

Frequent restarts/hangs

Each of these are frustrating faults.

Here' to hoping that the hundreds of DEVELOPERS with Mazaas can put in a concerted, collective effort and get this going. EVERY other phone has been unlocked/tweaked/improved upon, so why not a limited edition developer-exclusive device?
[Windows Phone 7 General] elixir_pr:
Mine is D2, what does it mean?

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So have you figured out how we can access the bootloader menu on Mazaa? I have been trying for so long with no luck.