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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] afn691:
Now I own three devices using Windows Mobile 6.5

Those are: Herald, Kaiser, and BlackStone. This last one, only since 15 days ago.

I'm using Kaiser as my personal device and BlackStone as my professional one, and I combine using keyboard or large screen depending on my needs. Kaiser is good for office tasks and BlackStone for graphic ones (I made "the perfect ROM" for Kaiser, but I forgot to cook video capabilities inside)

Herald is now used by my 8 year old daughter, who is writing her thinkings or tales using word mobile, and watches some videos or plays some brain training games.

I'm using Live, some apps to paint, some apps to read DWG files (autocad drawings) and some others as Nitisara's Terracrosser, so I'm strongly attached to WM. Neither Android nor WP7 give any of those capabilities for me. I tested some Android devices, and also iPhones, and the result is I'm proud to be a WM user, also a WM advanced user who tried to cook some ROMs and play the registry files... with limited success, that's true.

And yes, I like "local" files and I don't like cloud.

And I'm used to Windows. I was used to 4DOS till a friend showed me the capabilities of Win NT 4. Then I became MS Beta-tester with MS Windows 2000, XP... and later I abandoned Lotus for MS Office XP, 2003, 2007...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] afgomar:
One reason is because Microsoft abandoned all of us and our devices and because my tp2 started running like sh*t and the app/developer ecosystem isn't really growing its probably shrinking.

I switched to android couple days ago. It feels like what windows mobile could have become if it wasn't abandoned because its really customizable runs on many devices and has lots of support.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ccezar2004:
i'm still wondering why is MS giving up WM?... I even opened a thread a while ago with a question about how come iOS and Android (and now WP7) have such good support (official one I mean) and WM doesn't...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bajok!:
....my simple answer, WM is a "PC" in your pocket, while Android and WM7 are smartphones... That's why WM is called PPC...:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] husam666:
what he said

people don't want to bother with things that they can't figure out from the first time, they want a click that does everything for them, and that's why winmo died
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] northcutt1023:
Dang, I didn't think so many people used WM still. I had terrible experiences with it. I had WM 6.5 on my Dash(HTC Excalibur) and it was alright at first, but then it was big after bug. The lag was unbearable. I wouldn't get txt or calls. It would turn off mid call. Im really happy with my sensation 4g now.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Viper89:
Well said ^_^.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CRACING:
HTC Excalibur is a 5 year old phone which is designed to run WM5 official. Its spec doesn't meet the requirements of WM6.5. We forced it to run wm6.5 but it doesn't mean it will run as good as WM5.

However, comparing a 5 year old phone with present phones makes no sense. HTC Sensation is the most powerful phone from htc at present and of course it shouldn't give any issues but after 5 years, it should become as HTC Excalibur! ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vyis:
Winmo is the most user customizable mobile platform. It work like a PC with great local functionality, but our phone just doesn't have the processing power give a fluent experience as PC. What's more, our mobile doesn't have screen that's the size of PC ...

When dealing with local files (music playback, document reading and editing ... ), I like Winmo, but when I connect to internet, I hate it. It's simply too slow and lack of support.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ccezar2004:
i agree with all the answers... and I think WM is slowly going down just because it was, and still is, so good, non-restrictive and powerfull in terms of possibilities... nowadays every OS tends to be "more in control" with what you're (I'm) doing with your (my) phone... and they (MS, HTC, Apple etc.) force you to keep in touch with the "mother ship"... so they now you've farted and publish this somewhere...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
Pretty much & no new hardware either. I hoping for a hd2 pro/tp3 release but it never came. I caved in & got the mytouch 4g slide this past saturday...im liking it so far but I wish it had the keyboard of the tp2.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jeffspalding:
why stick with Windows Mobile?

because my TouchPro2 still works really well, it cost quite a bit of money and I am not ready to spend on a new phone yet. However, when I do it will probably be a Windows Phone 7. But I am currently on T-Mobile and the don't have a WP7 version with a keyboard. However, when they get sucked into the AT&T vortex, that will change and I will have to decide which cell company to go with.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raving_nanza:
WM does exactly what i need it to do.

Simples :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BlackRainX:
I use WinMo 6.5X on my BlackStone. :) I love it Because of Sense 2.5 it looks beautiful and android htc sense cannot give you that look :). + Its much laggier

Bad Things on WinMo.

1. Low Wi-Fi Range.

2. Sometimes slow.. But mostly fast :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chungpe84s:
Android is for kids and WP7 is immature..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] solidkevin:
Android is for kids? Really? Last time I checked Android can do the same amount of things if not more then WM. And yes WP7 is immature but Im not sure if you mean what I mean.....

You just sound like you are bashing more then anything.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dschoms:
Still using WM

My Touch Pro 2 is absolutely the finest phone I've ever owned. That being said, if it was still in stock configuration, I would have tossed it long ago.

With a custom ROM, a custom dialer skin, CHT and overclocked to 768 mhz it's rock solid and zippy. Being able to sync with Outlook is wonderful. The fact that it has a registry that is editable with SK Tools is great. It runs Slingox HD very well. The fact that it's a primarily a Pocket PC that happens to have phone capability, not a social device is the best.

Obviously, lack of new development is weighing on the phone. There are a couple of apps such as Shop Savey that are not available for WM. A larger screen that is viewable in bright sunlight and a better camera are on my wishlist.

In all honesty, I'm going to look seriously at Samsung's Galaxy S II when it comes out next month. Samsung is also rumored to have a Windows Phone 7 based on the Galaxy S II in the works that would be a consideration if Mango is as good as it press releases. Windows 8 could also be a deal maker. In my mind, the lack of tetherability in WinPhone 7 is a big negative, although I understand that someone here on XDA developers has tethered it via USB but not WiFi.

The good news is that if I do pull the trigger on a new phone next month and don't like it, my son is elgible for an upgrade in April and he could inherit whatever I buy and Iwould use his upgrade.

I'm really not an Android fan and I'll never own anything labeled Crapple so I'm really hoping Microsoft comes through.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] UoperaC:
THAT“S because other OS are too simple.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Steffen_21:
a touch pro 3 would be a great phone
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] anoano:
"NEW" OS does not always meen better !

As MS did nothing on WM for many years, the user has to spend some time to tweak it and improve the UI. Once this is done, changing to another OS is a loss of time to have about the same at the end.

WHAT CAN A NEWER OS DO THAT WM CAN'T ?

Because a majority of customers mostly buy the "new and flashy" effect, the tendencies of the newer OS are :

- less and less customer functionality oriented

- the same for everybody with minimum customization

- the user has to adapt himself to the OS instead of the reverse

- more and more restrictions for users

- cloud based, with doubtful respect for privacy of personal information

- enforce maximum internet traffic to generate income (iOS, Android)

- maximum profit for minimum product/service.

WHAT I WANT AND NEED IS THE CONTRARY !

"NEW" OS DOES NOT ALWAYS MEEN BETTER !

A good example is WP7 : except the UI, it is moving backwards in terms of possibilities. At this time, it is in a kind of "Windows Vista" state !

My WM devices are adapted to my needs. I need useful devices. I don't need them to show off because they are "new".

When I saw that MS took the wrong direction with WP7, I bought several spare WM devices, knowing that MS will need many years to catch up. Today, I am very glad I did it.

Everybody is free to have another viewpoint.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kaktusak:
I use WM for long time, from new WM 5 ages. I have grow with it, nothing in the world can replace it, only new v of winmo (not 7).

Im really used to use wm, it giving me everything i need in my pocket. Off-line maps in NaviComputer or iGo Primo. Possibility to connect my phone to any computer a use it as portable memory. Change small battery for high capacity battery when i go to mountains. That sync with windowslive is just fully functional.

I have tried Android on my HD2, but seriously, do you have found any app which is not on WM? All those new things on android is just taking stuff from net, and others are games. And i dont play games i read books and other are in Opera. Which reminds me that MS Office support and other enterprise solurions which are unbeated on other systems i think. (OC,SP..)

And one of the bigger thing is. That is can customize it in tousand ways. I dont like widgets and thousands icons on homescreen. Titanium or older plugs like pocket breeze are just unbeated too.

My brother bought galaxy s. And he is not computing "talent". He told me about android crap, then he saw my hd and only thing he said was "hey i want that wm too".

And biggest thing ever XDA Dev. Blood in WM veins.:cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hagba:
Before the HD2 came out the hardware just couldnt cope with the huge WM software and its limitless settings.Htc did a great job with the HD2,smooth,fast and reliable,enter this Forum Devs,the custom Roms were great improvment and could compete with the most modern OS on the market,in October 2007 I bought an Iphone after my Imate PDA2K went dead,I was so frusterated with the Iphone than,No Video recorder no bluetooth no Java,things that even my old Imate had,nothing except very well done stelar screen and interface.

So I kept on dreaming a WM with Iphone hardware,which happened after almost 2 years later with the release of HD2.

I use WM since it does everything I want to and does it well,almost every week I try a new Android or WP7 ROM but keep on coming back to WM.

I know the other platforms did a big stride,but who cares I have all the applications I need on WM,and also I am not an action gamer,mind games there are aplenty.My feeling all along was that with a modernized WM platform Microsoft could have been in a better position to compete Google,but from the begining I noticed that there was a systematic and deliberate bashing the WM as an outdated OS,if you notice the same is also beeing done now with the Windows 7 as not beeing suitable for Tablets,but in reality the the Tablet hardware are not powerfull enough for full windows support,I hope MS has become a bit smarter to not fall once again to this trap,since the modern tablet OSs are strugling to do the things that Windows been doing for ages,as for myself I will keep the zomby WM HD2 and will wait untill the hardware development caught Windows to buy a Tablet.

BTW I am using the cleaNEX Standard ROM on my HD2 and I salute its creator who seems to have abandond itsdevelopment altogether with many other developers,(not that it needs any development anymore,mind you).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jjollyroger:
why?

-I hold my 7 years old Pim.vol file

-PC compatibility

-MS office

-well developed and reliable softwares

-able to run completely offline

-multitasking

-I like to play with it like a Lego (disassemble/assemble) :D

Have an Ipaq PPC 2003 and still works flawlessly, I'd still be on it (almost same softwares ) but needed gps,camera, lot of storage .. and of course few more power :p .. all in one device (HD2)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pupakota:
Because there is NOTHING better for me, and none of mobile systems have such massive amount of USEFUL software(unlike on ridiculous wp7(pitiful thing) and android(useless thing)).

Also it's only system(maybe besides maemo from n810/900) that just feels like made for mobile computer, not fockin facebook device.

And finally - my devices must have hardbuttons and DPAD.

Shame on designers, that made current devices just focking screen with battery and nothing more.

screw you.

To people that says that wm is dead - thee are still plenty of people using it, making software for it, and living it.

I am still OPTIMIZING 21916(for YEAR) and with small steps it is better and better, day by day(heavy hexedit, undocumented reg entries, resource optimisation).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] crevlthe:
I still run it on my old hp iPAQ, though technically its only good for streaming the radio to...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] deeken:
If tomtom and Garmin would work with Android I would switch but since it doesn't I'm staying with WinMo. Even though my contract is up, I have no interest in any of the new phones. WP7 is useless to me. I might get an android phone if and only when my touch pro 2 dies.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] briantech:
Android is the new WM... so much customizing
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
I feel the same & could never understand why it get so much hate....I think it might be self hatered of wm itself since android & wm share some of the same flaws yet android is more popular.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] backlashsid:
it has everything i need.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pupakota:
This is SO ridiculous statement, and proves that this topic is just waste of time.

So, android fans, let me thank you for killing WM.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hagba:
You mean Android is WM Immitation trying to become a WM with modern face?. Its unfortunate irony that the Mother of All Times mobile PC platform was neglected by its own creator and became a follower instead of leader.

The above quoote I find is disgusting.... a disrespect to many WM users and also unrelated to the topic of this thread.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Miha:
Because my primary use is for work, not a toy. It runs the programs I use for my work and why would I want to buy programs again?

It has everything I need, Office, Outlook Calendar, Navigation.

IMHO with Store Apps You give the control over your phone (private life too) to others.

I use WM6.1 and it has bad sites bat the good one are weighted;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] diablojones:
I had a new HD7 with win7 - took it back after 2 days and got a HD2 with winmo.

Reasons

1. Hate having to install Zune to sync stuff - I can copy and paste from pc now

2. Hate having to have a hotmail account to sync my contacts or for using phone

3. Will not sync my current mail from outlook pst (I auto download and delete my mail from online accounts to outlook - want my phone to sync with what I already have)

4. No skype on win7 (in the works)

Will stay a winmo user until all above are no longer applicable.

Only thing I like about win7 is the updated tiles, but I am sure one of the smart devs over here can do that...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
how so?...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] afn691:
:eek:

I'ld not say this, that's sure an extreme opinion...

...but a friend of mine bought a Desire S based on this premises. Some years ago she had to configure stock WM5 iPaqs and her experience is "WM is soooooo slow" and she also says "and everything in Android and Android apps is completely free". :mad:

This is what Android users think: "WM is slow, crashes often and you must buy expensive apps" and "Android is completely free and fast". :mad:

My friend can spend now almost 100 € monthly to obtain her "free" apps while I spent those 100 € in 4 years buying licenses or giving donations (more when I'll have job again) and the difference of launching/using an app is not more than 2 seconds (for her Desire S - Snapdragon vs. my Blackstone at half cpu speed than hers). :confused:

On the other side, this and other friends are using more and more Whatsapp as the way "windows mobile users won't communicate" and spend hundreds of Euros to have fast processors and huge RAMs and use Twitter, Facebook or two or three stupid games while saying that having apps for office, CAD and technical calculation is "silly".

Ah! and the best of all, this and other friends are gealous for their privacity... but everything they do and say is now in the cloud ! :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jamesbonded:
Because of Garmin
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] poyensa:
Android is not WinMo enemy at all and kills nothing. I do use a lot of android graphics & ideas in my WinMo, icons, wallpapers, clocks, lockscreen, and others. So the best of Android is also the best for me.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] WZman:
1.TomTom

2.Does everything I need

3.Mature platforms are easier to work with

4.Android/Windows Phone 7/IOS don't do anything (as far as I can tell) that WinMo can't

5.Sprint won't activate a new smartphone without making me change my plan (f-you sprint)

6.Why not?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
seems like the best mobile OS really, android sucks (to girly in my opinion) WP7 sucks(doesn't deserve the windows mobile name so they changes it and the whole concept sucks) iOS... OK OK yeah but look at the price of an iPhone.... So windows mobile... girly? nah more manly than a lion :D (no mac OS X lion pun intended) name.. awesome its like a mini computer :P Price? I GOT A Wm PHONE FOR 30 pounds about 49 dollars i think. so thats a deal right?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] macky14th:
Windows mobile is fully customizable

1. OS

2. UI

3. Application

4. Speed

5. Power

etc...

I Love Windows Mobile :):):)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Lavell7298:
I Love Customization!!

I've always been a BIG fan of customization. I like to customize things to my liking. By doing this, I will appreciate the "thing being customized" that much more. The same theory is applied to all my desktop computers as well as my cars!;) This is where Windows Mobile has the BIG advantage over the other OSes.

On my HD2, I've installed Sergio's Core Cell Evo v4.2 ROM. I then added extra eye candy to my liking. I truly like and use my phone more now than ever before.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] denasqu:
Calligrapher

This is like a support group for WM users. You are not a alone. LOL

In addition to the other things mentioned, a day doesn't go by when I don't use hand-writing recognition on my phone.

I whipped out my Vogue during a meeting the other day and the iPhone fan boy sitting next to me just about fell out of his chair when I started taking meeting notes with my pen on my Vogue. "What is that?" "Does that convert your handwriting to text?" "That's so cool." "What kind of phone is that?".
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
WINDOWS MOBILE CANNOT DIE Reply

First off, I want to thank whoever started this thread.

Next, I was really very surprised at how many people turned out to post in here (give yourselves some applause :)). For having been completely dropped by Microsoft in favor of a "mobile operating system" that can't do crap, I'd say that Windows Mobile is still doing relatively well based on what's been posted in this thread.

I still carry my Diamond that I purchased used (and in fairly beat up condition) back in March 2009. In May and June of 2010, I was introduced to the world of custom ROMs and finally activated my Diamond on Boost Mobile. After not being able to find a ROM that I really liked from the getgo, I learned how to cook ROMs and now produce the Elite series ROM for CDMA HTC Diamonds (which I obviously run on my own machine, see signature :D).

Now for my "mobile OS comparisons":

Apple OS - Powerful, but in a very crippling, unintuitive, and weak sort of way making it completely useless for most people except Apple fans, people who don't know how to use a smartphone, and people who like the hardware and spend days "modding" and "jailbreaking" and "tweaking" just to get the machine to do something you'd actually want to do.

Windows Mobile 7 - Complete FAILure of what doesn't even deserve to be called a "mobile operating system", crippling otherwise good hardware to be so useless that it makes a feature phone look good. Is there any way to put something else on these? (seriously)

Android - Not quite as bad as the other operating system; lots of support and software, but quite a battery and resource hog. Controls could use some help, but it is still tweakable.

Is there any way to port the real Windows Mobile to these newer Android and "Windows mobile 7" handhelds?

- 2 Bunny
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
A device with WM is a shrinked Win32 desktop PC, we all are familar with. The very best is you so easily can synchronize both.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Jibraldor:
I still hav es my samsung omnia sgh-i900 and i love love customising it to my very own taste.

I took my time to move to android because when android was first released, it waz rather not as much customisable as windows mobile was but Android evolved at a much more exponential rate than winMo did.

WinMo is a great OS ( especially 6.5.xxx) but the thing is that it is not fully optimized for touchscreen phones. It doesn't manage battery life well. (My battery would never last for an entire day), my touchscreen overheated.....so did the ones on the phones of my other friends, it doesn't manage resources well.....it is extremely slow, cannot utilize hardware resources as well as other OS' can these days, is quite a memory hog of an OS.....with time my phone grew slower and there was nothing I could do besides flashing a new ROM. There are tons more reasons but I will stop right here.

Many people will disagree with me but the way I see things, Android has learnt a lot about OS' by looking at WinMo and immigrating it. The android home screen reminds me a lot of SOB mobile shell on my WinMo device as well. The way I see things, Android is an indirect successor of WinMo and since WinMo is no longer going to evolve, Android is and Ice Cream Sandwich's release date will be when most people will realise this. WinMo will always be good but Android is the future now.

P.S. Android can do everything that WinMo can do better.....plus more.