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[EVO 4G General] SUCCESSOR:
Really it should be one or the other. Data cap or no tethering. If you are capped st 2gb who the hell cares if you tether. You go over it's your ass. If you have unlimited data and tether your laptop to run netflix and torrent the latest movies using 15gb+ every month then you deserve a kick in the balls.

I don't mind sprint's 30$ tether charge. it makes sense on an unlimited plan. if I need internet on other devices it's not a bad option for someone who wouldn't want to sign another contact for internet. And the 1mbps or so 3g I get here ain't bad for that.

I don't need it though and have used root to tether for free and though I have downloaded a couple movies with it (at the horrible 50-100kbps 3g in new mexico) I have yet to exceed 5gb.

I don't condemn using over 10gb a month on occasion but to consistently abuse sprint's unlimited data is just out right stealing.

Sent from my EVO 4G
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Are you serious? LOL!
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Did someone hurt your feelings or something. Do you work for Att? Then why does someone posting negative articles about them bother you so much? Oh and what ****ty Sprint speeds are you talking about? My speeds are damn fast.

Pocket posted....
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
BS comparison. I usually agree with you but not on tethering I guess.

Pocket posted....
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Your small little observation means very little. A recent nationwide speed test found Sprint to be nearly dead last with all carriers, not just the big four.

Why am I mad? There was a day when Sprint used to do 1.5-2+ Mbps with ease in NYC. Ease. Sprints network is having a crunch right now and I'm lucky to get 750 kbps now. All you freeloading bastards aren't helping.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
His comparison is right. Mobile data isn't finite. Its significantly more limited than land data. Control is needed to maintain a fast, stable mobile network. A network with unlimited data is no different and needs more control if anything. Your paying for service on your phone and nothing more.
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Nationwide speed tests mean nothing to me, as I only plan on using my phone in limited areas anyway. This is why you should always test drive the network for the 30 days they give you, not just pick a phone on any carrier.

My speeds are consistently above 1mbps here in the Seattle area, not EVERYWHERE is having issues although it seems there are a lot who do.

Pocket posted....
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
They tested pretty much all major cities. None averaged more than 1 mbps but its worth noting that they hit peaks of over 2 mbps. The thing is that I can say that I hit 1.x mbps in NYC, and I have, but my average experience is significantly slower than that.

This test showed that not only were Sprints peaks slower but their averages were too. And this is in pretty much all major cities.

Their nationwide average taken from the testing of most major cities put Sprint in nearly last. This wasn't the first time they did these tests either. What this showed is that Sprint slowed significantly year to year.
[EVO 4G General] github:
Nuff said. But just in case.

short: It's not "theft of service". Sorry. Nothing is being stolen (go look up what steal/theft means). You might however, be in breach of contract. That's about it.
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Amen.

Pocket posted....
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Okay so what? Even if its not legally theft, it can be grounds to terminate your service.

People are assuming that unlimited data plans = unlimited Sprint bandwidth, and that Sprint is taking advantage.
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
It can be, but the real argument is is it good business. No it is not.

Pocket posted....
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
So a slow network is? Get out of here. The more people violate, the less bandwidth there is. Would you pay 80/month for 50 kbps? Which is worse for business?
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Im starting my own gsm cell service called "Diggler Mobile". Unlimited data for 20 bucks......sign up and get a free years sub to porn hub 3D!
[EVO 4G General] LCL22:
i never exceed even the minutes of the most basic plans, the only reason i pay sprint 100 bucks every month is because i got an evo 4g and they make you pay the premium data fee, i can understand having to pay for the hotspot, but tethering?

if im using the phone to tether, im not using the phone ITSELF to browse any data or anything, so how is it any different? im only using one device at the time on the same access im already paying for

so in short, i understand having to pay for extra bandwidth that the hotspot uses, but not the tethering when your data usage hasnt really increased in any way

that said however, i am pretty positive sprint might introduce new plans or new data policies by next year when they start implementing their LTE network and the phones for it
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Your assuming that you use the same amount of data on a laptop or desktop. I can almost guarantee that you don't. You have to put a good effort to exceed 1gb on a phone with _regular_ (as in not seeding a torrent to prove a point) use. It wouldn't take much effort to do that in a couple of hours on a laptop/desktop.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I'd sign up by why with an old technology?

Start it off with advanced lte.

Full with voip and 1gb/s data.

Dirk it up!

(Side note: I think its funny how metropcs is going to.have the closest thing to a true 4g network first)

HEY, you real?
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
"Im real" stop using my trademark asshat....
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
Tethering and using a hotspot are one in the same. There are always two sides to every argument. Should tethering be illegal, no fargin' way! I do pay for data and I should be able to use it as I see fit, BUT it is the abuse of it that is what makes some of us perturbed. I like the fact that I can tether if I need to. Do i ever need to, no, because I have broadband at home and at work, and I can get to all the stuff that I need on the road from my phone. When you start tethering to use your phone as a primary internet connection, you drag down the network. The same would happen if you were using a wired network.

My thoughts, tethering should be free for the 1st 200mb. If you are using it beyond that, it has become an internet connection and you should pay for it.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I'm shaking in my boots...

You gonna give me the ol' Apple treatment and sue me? :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] {ParanoiA}:
I think theft is Sprint charging me an extra $10 a month for 4g that I never use. The closest place for me is Philly and that is 50 miles away. They should only charge u the extra 10 if u have 4g usage that month! No 4g use = no extra charge. Or an option to opt out of 4g if u don't use it

Sent From My Pocket
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
They're not though.

They're charging you for unlimited data.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Have any proof? Or are you just spewing the usual assumptions? Lets just say they are charging you $10 because their broke as ****.
[EVO 4G General] m4xwellmurd3r:
Im not sure where the post is, but all smart phones have the 10 dollar premium data charge since they are seen as a higher data use device. Its not just 4g phones. Its all smart phones
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
We all (should) know that already. Its a premium data fee - never seen any language that says its an unlimited data fee. In fact, the base everything data plan already has unlimited data.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Posting pictures doesn't make your post any more right. You talk out of your ass 99% of the time.
[EVO 4G General] samuel346:
Isn't there a Nexus S thread that you can go whine and stir up trouble in?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Here's some advice: if you dont like it, don't continue reading or posting in this thread. It's that simple, and it doesn't require telling someone what to do.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
If At&t has proven anything in the past year its that you truly can treat customers however you want and as long as you have a household name people will go along with it.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What did you expect? Reward those who are possibly violating their terms or allowing their network to reach Sprint's ****ty level?

I don't do any of that and still have unlimited HSPA quality data.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Horrible comparison on that first page. The more water you use the more it cost, its not a flat rate. There's nothing on this planet that is "unlimited". The more something is used the more it costs and if people abuse it the "unlimited" because limited.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Does anyone remember the days when Cable sucked in almost every major area during peak hours because too many people in the area were hogging bandwidth?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I know what you're saying.

And I completely agree that unlimited comes with a * and that * represents responsibility.

However, it is important to note that what is happening industry wide is "We don't want to spend money improving the network so we're going to punish the user"

And that's what I have a problem with.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Last time I checked, ATT upgraded their network to HSPA and is soon adding LTE so...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Cool.

Even Sprint (You know that company that has about a third of the subscribers and one tenth of the revenue) has more "4g"

T-Mobile has more HSPA coverage than At&t too and its what a fourth of the size with even less than a tenth the revenue?

How about Metropcs, they have more LTE than At&t.

Furthermore, Metropcs is working on voip for their network and at this rate may honestly be the first company with true 4g.

You can make your comments all day long but the fact is the industry would rather punish the user than spend money expanding their networks.

The only goddamn reason At&t has done anything with their network is because they now have a bad image from all those Verizon commercials
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Sprint banked on a horrible "4G" solution.

MetroPCS is a good value carrier but will get eclipsed by AT&T's LTE rollout once it commences. Fact is, ATT's HSPA "3G" network is nearly as fast as Sprints WiMax "4G" network and it has waaaayyyy more coverage. They will then one up that by deploying a certainly faster but battery guzzling LTE network. So you'll have a super fast battery friendly 3G network supplemented by a surely faster "4G" network.

You're just reaching for something that isn't there.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Your rebuttle is a redirect?

:rolleyes:

No surprise there.

Back on ignore.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Redirect? I'm replying to your dumb points. Keep ignoring, its not like you'll bring in any strong or valid pints anyway.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
So trolls aside, that's the problem man.

They're charging up the ass, limiting, throttling and then boasting about speeds that amount to pointless.

"$500 and you get 10GB of 10mb/s data a month" :rolleyes:

At least with Sprint they gave a modest price increase to maintain unlimited, and are improving the network, but even they let their data network go.
[EVO 4G General] github:
You missed the point. I'm paying for the water, so I should get to use it however I want. Water the lawn? Take a shower? Wash my car?

The point was if the water company wanted to charge you for water to do the dishes, but insisted that you pay MORE per gallon (or however you are charged) to do laundry or take a shower.

If you are selling me unlimited, what does it matter if I use that unlimited to tether, download movies, send emails, browse the web, etc. Yes, I might breach contract terms of use, but I'm not stealing anything, I paid for it up front.

I'll also say, that if you agreed to the contract that says no tethering, and you do it anyway, then yes you deserve to have your contract terminated at your cost (ETF?). Or changing service levels as allowed in your contract.

So again, my main point and the point of the articles I linked is that it isn't stealing... a word that gets abused so much these days.
[EVO 4G General] c-had2001:
I don't tether since I can't root my phone and just using my phone I have used almost 3gb of data on my bill cycle which ends in 2 weeks. I watch stuff on netflix and use the web alot. I could use it more if I left my phone plugged in, so to say someone who uses more than 1-2gb per billing cycle is tethering or using to much is crazy. It doesn't take much netflix it YouTube videos to use data.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You're absolutely right.

My brother uses 2GB of data a month between streaming music in his car (he's a meter reader so he is constantly in his car 8 hours a day), Facebook, Google voice usage and normal phone usage.

He doesn't tether and he doesn't download anything.

Nor does he have Netflix.

And lets keep in mind that with Sprint's current network issues in our area our maximum speeds are around 300kb/s.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What if there was only 100 gallons/day for an entire 20 user block? The water supplier then esitimated that the average user only consumed 3 gallons a day, they then declared unlimited water despite the supply being finite to stay competitive with other suppliers. Would it be cool for that user to start supplying additional water to other family members? Despite the fact that the water supplier explicitly required an additional expensive fee to be able to do that?
[EVO 4G General] github:
Depends, did I sign a contract that said I couldn't share my water? Which is getting beyond my point. I was originally saying it was stealing or theft of service. If you are in a contract, violate that contract, then tough luck when you get stuck with the consequences. You are liable to the extent of the contract.

Stealing is a criminal act. You won't see anyone thrown in jail for wireless tethering when they aren't supposed to do such.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Yes, just as how it does on Sprints contract!

But that example illustrates how it really works.
[EVO 4G General] github:
So explain to me, which is what my main posts were getting at, how it is stealing? I already agreed that it was a contract violation.

When someone steals from me, I call the police and expect them (the police) to follow the law and find the criminal and place them in jail.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
It's not about being thrown in jail, people argue that they are in the right for unauthorized tethering. They simply don't understand the reality that I tried to simply via that example
[EVO 4G General] github:
I think we are on two different arguements here. I was posting against people calling it theft of service or stealing. I think you are discussing the contractual right for AT&T/VZW etc to force a tethering plan on you or simple cancel your service with an ETF for violating the contract. :cool:
[EVO 4G General] sky1968:
Also at&t charges data THAT U DON'T USE U CAN HAVE IT OFF ALL MONTH AND STILL BE CHARGED DATA
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Its not stealing but you deserve to be thrown off the network for possibly degrading the network. With the current poor quality of the sprint data network, I'd want them to impose preventive measures to keep freeloaders out. I miss my old Sprint data speeds, kicking out the freeloaders is a step towards getting it back.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
I think the difference here is in the fundamental pricing structure. The water company doesn't add restrictions on what you use your water for* because the pricing structure is on a usage basis. All conservation concerns aside, they'd love for you to use water for whatever you please, because that's revenue. Now, if they started offering unlimited water access, you can be sure they'd put in a whole bunch of restrictions on how exactly you can use your water. Otherwise I'd tap my neighbor's sprinkler valves into my water main and charge him $40 bucks a month to water his lawn all summer long, and it'd be pure profit for me, at the expense of the water company. That business model just doesn't work.

It's similar the contract for your cable service, which doesn't let you tap into the main line and run it over to your neighbor's house, or go in half and half on internet access via a wifi network, even though wired internet services don't have nearly the bandwidth restrictions that wireless do. I realize neither of those are a perfect analogy to a wifi hotspot, but I don't really intend them to be.

The point is, that nothing is truly unlimited, and when you sell a commodity you've got a right to place restrictions on that sale, becuase you've got to protect your business model to stay in business. The consumer either agrees to those restrictions or doesn't. If he/she does, the restrictions are perfectly fair because they're mutually agreed upon. If not, they're still fair because no contract is executed and neither party is bound by those restriction.

At least Sprint gives the consumer the choice between two types of unlimited data access - unlimited for your phone, and unlimited for your phone + whatever you can connect to your mobile hotspot, which is $30 / month more. You get whichever option you agree to, and pay for. The difference is AT&T is not currently offering either - existing customers can have the first, but there's no option for the second, and they're actively taking away the first option from those customers who use wireless tether via jailbreak.

That said, I'll happily agree to your point about stealing. It might be a fine distinction, as breaking a contract in a way that unilaterally moves financial value from one party to another could be called stealing in a general sense. But it's not helpful to throw around emotionally charged words like "stealing" or "theft". Breech of contract is much more accurate.

*BTW, there are a lot of places where the water company DOES dictate how you use your water. I live in Colorado, and depending on the climate any given summer we may have restrictions on watering our lawns, washing cars, etc. I think that speaks to Shroomz's point that nothing in live is truly unlimited.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Masturbation is unlimited....until your palms get too hairy. Having sex with my gf is unlimited until that one week a month comes around...then were back to square one; playing a solo on the devils clarinet!
[EVO 4G General] Office Ninja:
I think its so funny that all these cell phone companies were advertising "unlimited" data plans, then they get pissed off when people start using them unlimitedly haha. Before long Sprint might not have unlimited either, but I think that it is a small minority of users that are pushing the unlimited to its name sake. I'm a rooted user and have tethered here and there when my internet was out but I have never used it as my primary internet provider. I actually kind of like AT&T's idea of simply punishing those users who are abusing the system, rather than raise rates for everyone.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Like I said a long time ago once network vision is complete Sprint will be the carrier to beat.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
We have water restrictions here in Florida every summer. My apartment complex provides free water. However you're not allowed to use a hose of you live downstairs or wash your car in the neighborhood. Nothing is unlimited or people would take advantage and business would close, that is why restrictions are born cause humans can't control themselves.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You must not have heard. ATT has punished both existing and new customers.
[EVO 4G General] tempe38:
Then it's not unlimited and shouldn't be called that. At least if it were capped we'd know where the cutoff is.
[EVO 4G General] tnerb123:
All you had to say was iPhone = Epic Fail! Adding ATT just makes it that much worse.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I know the problem is the expected complete date.

It needs to be done before summer next year.

Sprint needs it badly especially if T-Mobile is going to be eaten up instead of competed with.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
That won't happen by next year. Not even close. A complete network overhaul will take a few years.
[EVO 4G General] tkirton:
I have two devices that aren't 4G that are being charged:

Sprint Hero (3G device) - $10/month extra ... unlimited 3G

Palm Pre (3G device) - $10/month extra ... unlimited 3G

Sprint Overdrive - No $10/mo extra ... 3G capped at 5GB.

If it's not for 4G (top two examples) and if it isn't for unlimited (which means my Overdrive should have unlimited 3G as well), then you tell me what is it for?

Sprint's answer: Enhanced mobile internet experience (whatever the hell that means).
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
It allows them not to go tiered or throttling. Basically it pays to keeps services unlimited.
[EVO 4G General] thlinx:
So riddle me this.. What's the difference if I use usb tether, and the free pdanet app to do things on the internet?

I don't even know why I responded to you.. You're a sprint worker...................................
[EVO 4G General] rruss:
Personally i dont give a damn if im stealing from sprint for tethering or any other carrier these phones cost too damn much anyway and i pay too much money for sub par service and sprints 4g "expansion" is a joke how they gonna b the first to have it and b lagging behind att and verizon already?? I pay a extra 10$ a month for a service i dont have where i reside all these companies r crooks to the fullest
[EVO 4G General] thlinx:
**** I'm gonna throw this out too.. Sprint has countless commercials constantly bragging about unlimited data. One of those commercials, sprint continues to brag, and also brag about how other carriers have a data cap but does sprint? Noooo... So if sprint is bragging on advertisements, I'm pretty sure there data issues are fine. I'm pretty sure tethers aren't loathing the system down. What a bunch of rubbish.. The system is getting buried because more and more people are buying SMARTPHONES. So more data users with there smart phones. Which soon, sprint will be upgrading there network...
[EVO 4G General] thlinx:
HTC made 32 billion dollars last year.... I'm pretty sure sprint gets a piece of that pie..
[EVO 4G General] thlinx:
You're a moron. The reason 4g is slow, is because sprints been around longer with the 4g service, and more people on the 4g network than those others.. sprints 4g been around for roughly 2 yrs, verizons not even a year...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You are the problem.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
See if you can download any of those apps on another carrier. Did you know data varies just by screen size? Do you know how many people call me saying they want to cancel because they can not tether their ps3 or xbox with their phone because it's too slow? A ton of people take advantage. Either pay for your right to use a service or don't use it. You can't drive your car without gas right? Just because you own a car doesn't mean you can do whatever you please with it. Just because you own a home doesn't mean you can do what you want with it. Xbox, ps3, everything else. You never really own anything that needs a provider to be functional, so follow their rules if you want to use it or create your own company.
[EVO 4G General] thlinx:
I must of not explained myself correctly. PDANET doesn't require rooted. It works fine on a non rooted phone, and this would be considered tethering would it not?
[EVO 4G General] tkirton:
I believe you that it's for unlimited 3G. Since Award "the angry iPhone guy" seems to think that's not what it is for, I was asking him to explain it.
[EVO 4G General] raabusmc:
Or.... its like saying everybody who has a wireless router at home and utilizes the wireless function now has to pay Comcast, Charter, FiOS, etc $30/mo extra.

That makes since right?
[EVO 4G General] raabusmc:
Wired tethering = free

Ability to cut the wire...

$30/mo

hmmmmmm