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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] PseudoBob:
obviousness of the alternative being less than popular aside... I don't know if you'd look like a complete dork, to be honest.

Let's face it.. to the iPhone generation, anything with a slide-out keyboard is 'dorky' anyway. Type on a keyboard? That's sooooooo pre-June 2007. Not to mention that one of the first things they'll point out is that the device is so much thicker than one without a keyboard (even if it's just 1.75mm)

Which means that the person with an external keyboard doesn't have to look 'dorky' most of the time; they'd have a smartphone just like most other people, thin, etc. could even BE an iPhone if they swayed to the arguments of that platform.

While at the same time, when they're at home or at the office or whatever and they prefer a keyboard to get a lot of text done, they can just take that out of their pocket, establish the connection, and done.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] atulgajbhiye:
it suits corporates
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] MisterTedster:
The TP2 is the best phone on SERO without having to pay any extra fees
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
u mean iphone clone 7 lol...i know its a old joke but had to bring it out...wp7 is too much of a feature phone in my book to be call windows. I still feel they shouldve came out with new devices instead serving up this half ass wp7 bs.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hofo_mofo:
Outlook sync, Outlook sync, and Outlook sync. Oh did I mention Outlook sync?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] PseudoBob:
Don't practically all of the mobile platforms with even a hint of business usage have ways of synchronizing with Outlook these days?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] anon1811:
I love WM

yes, but none of them supports it out of the box, except Windows Mobile, afaik.

btt: These are the reasons, why I love WM:

- everything works offline, no cloud crap

- so far, I found an application for everything I needed. They are not "eye candy", but they work

- the calander is really powerful, much better than the one from WP7 (though in the meantime, there exist good third-party applications)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jaii:
Hell yes?

I'm still using my old i907 Epix, and I won't be switching any time soon, as there just aren't any devices/os's out there that appeal to me.

Android? How does one customize an Android device? Wallpapers? ****-tons of apps? And why the hell are wallpapers showing up in your apps list? I get the same functionality from one program that you get in 5, and that's with my antiquated wm6.5 rom.

iPhone? Oh look, it's pretty and makes sounds! No. Just.......no.

WP7? See above.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
WM is amazing, i still use it on my old HD for various things and if i could ever dual boot it with WP7 then id be a very happy chap indeed!

So why do i like it?

well its a beast, i dont care what anyone else says about it, WM is solid as a rock, the battery last forever and there is simply nothing it cant do or couldnt be made to do.

Yeah it doesnt look pretty, an yeah its not as quick an snappy as WP, but to hell with it. WM eventually failed for a couple of reasons, first and formost was because MS DIDNT have much to do with the OS the end user got screwed over by not only the OEMs but also the networks, the second was that MS was caught napping and didnt really see what was happening in the market.

Google and apple saw the problem and made inroads to fixing it, both headed in different directions, apple locked down the device, no chance of OEMs or networks buggering it up and with it programed specifically for that hardware it was able to make it super quick and efficient, google on the other hand had to keep the OS open, so it stream lined the OS, made the backbone of it and then made the same mistake MS did, allowed OEMS and networks to bugger it up, its only saving grace is that they do update it a lot more, but if left unchecked the OEMS and networks will shaft it, MS has taken a road down the middle, anyhow iOS, Android and WP are all dumbphones in my opinion compared to WM.

Now, dont get me wrong, you may have noticed i have WP7 on my HD2 just now, why would i want that if WM was so good?

Well thats an easy answer too, WP7 is just that, its an amazing PHONE, it has the fastest UI and social integration out there, it works amazingly well even on a hacked in device, the marketplace has plenty on there but thats not why i want it, i want it to talk to people, text people listen to music, check my exchange and live accounts and a few other things, if i wanted to flick bits of paper in to a rubbish bin i dont need some crap app to do it!

What i think has happened is people seem to try and fit WP in to a box, in to something that they can explain and compare it with other similar devices. This is the wrong way to do it, WP7 is mince compared to WM in some ways as is every other OS out there, but in other ways it is almost perfection, so the best way of putting it is this "THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT people", folk keep saying that WP7 is a iOS clone, thats just fanboy FUD an belongs down the u-bend with the other crap

Each OS to its own, different folk will have different needs which may requirer different OS's that is the reality. There is no single OS out there which can cover all the bases, which is why i have two :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] motopig:
On my WM6.1 MotoSurf I can...

run Google Maps or Garmin maps, my choice

go out and find my own apps, no market to deal with

mount the inserted SD card and tether via USB effortlessly under both Windows and Linux

get an IME to handwrite Chinese :D

have as much freedom in doing what I want with my device if not more as on an Android device, without having to offer myself up as a product to Google or having to deal with ads
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Wolfas:
yes, I still do! There are many reasons for that:

1. I love the design of my Touch Pro, it is so solid, stylish, mu physical keyboard is absolutely perfect. Iphone users could claim whatever they want, but they couldn't type half as fast as I do. I also feel better when I do have hardware directional keys, because anything that tries to substitute them fails.

2. I can try Android or Ubuntu on my phone and later easily return to my usual OS. Also, WM has the most developed PC emulator (Qemu) ever made for smartphones. Can Android boast something like that? The answer is NO, there is only a very limited and hard to use port that was never finished.

3. Developers ported such classics as Doom, Duke Nukem, Wolf3d and U.F.O to Windows Mobile without getting their apps banned from official sites. As far as I know, only a buggy port of Doom currently exists on Android. Anyways, Android is still tempting me as a gaming platform for those cool new games.

4. I can completely alter my registry, change my UI without complicated jailbreaking just to add a "feature" that lets me add a wallpaper.

5. Microsoft Office support out of the box.

6. Most of the apps are way more complex and usefull than Android or Iphone ones, despite having less eye-candy design.

7. I can use stylus. Yeah, I sometimes like it :D

8. Screen of my phone might not have multitouch, but at least I know that my press will be 100% accurate. I have tried typing with iphone and it simply sucks, completely hated it.

9. When I use my phone, I always feel that it is a small PC, a Smartphone, not some toy which shouldn't be called smartphone just for having many apps and no user tweaking.

All in all, I like my phone and in the near future, I am not planing to change it. When that time comes, I will probably get an Android, because I don't think that Windows is an approporiate word to use in WP7 title .
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
WHAT HAPPENED Reply

Exactly. The title has actually been working out pretty well for microsoft because a lot of the news blogs and forums have "WinMo 7" as one of their smart categories next to blackberry, Android, and real Windows Mobile, even though the audience is a completely different one.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] baraks:
hi guys,

what are the benefits of WM6.5.x over Android and WP7?

(i really don't know)

MS is about to update it on Windows Emmbed Devices as said somewhere over this forum?

and don't get me wrong i love WM6.5 specially COM2 build 21916

for now i'm using Android and thinking about flashing back to WM

this is why i ask you all....
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] smartceleron:
No ! I'm using windroid !
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ponde:
I would like to go back to WinMo 6.x on my HTC Desire =D I am missing it. Is there any way of doing that?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] braunie:
Reasons for me why using still a wm device (HTC TD2):

1. It's very small and handy (most of all newer smartphones are to big for me, they has to be big because you only could use it with your fingers - I want a compact device and that assumes a stylus control)

2. My TD2 works perfect with my hands free in my car (VW Golf 6), it supports "remote sim access", does android or iphone support that? I take place in my car, start the engine and my TD2 automatically connects with my hands free, the radio of my TD2 will be disabled, and the hands free buildin enabled. Phonebook synchronises automatically - perfect!

3. WM is not very stylish, but I love Manila and this is balancing that issue

4. All that I really need I have in my device, the most things (apps) you do not get for your wm-device are toys in my opinion

5. PIM-functionality is very perfected, and I love to sync my phone with outlook via usb, not just calendar and adresses, todo's and notes too

6. I love xda-developers and the possibility to try other roms

So that's the reason why ... ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
CRITICAL MOBILE OS Reply

"W7M" has no features really. That's the root of the problem, they've created something completely different and want to sell to a completely different audience because their previous audience wasn't selling well enough. Chances are that if you liked Windows Mobile 6 and below, you'll despise Windows Mobile 7.

Android is okay, it just feels like you have less control over the device and it has major league battery life issues.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] baraks:
so you suggest me to Flash back to WM6.5.x my HTC HD2?

cause it's true, the things that you said, i've tried WP7 and after 1 day i got rid of that crap on the other hand Android OS is fine BUT it drains my battery like a camel and i really don't bellive in Google's Cloud vision... yet Android OS is eye candy and nice for the Google bellivers....
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bakkertakker:
Right. Android for clowns... :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JustSomeGeek:
I've just gone back to my Athena and given my Desire-Z to the wife after a few months of exploring the crApps that Android has to offer.

It's a nice enough system if you are just one of the masses that just wants to spend your entire life on Twitter or FB or play games designed for the under 5s' or IQ deficient.

As for me, i want more than a phone. I want sopistication, innovative software, clever games, customisation & tweakery, and integration with my network & computer systems.

I can't see how that could ever be achieved by poking & smearing greasy fingers over a nice shiny HD (wasted) screen. WM7 just seems to be a different flavour of the same thing.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
LIST Reply

Absolutely.

While that is very true, I do worry for the future and where us WM enthusiasts will go next. Android seems to be the only place aside from staying on the existing hardware forever.

Great. Glad to hear you're still on board - just out of curiosity, do you have any "unique" programs that you use regularly that enhance the Windows Mobile 6 experience for you? As a thread, we should probably create a list in this thread, and probably uncover some interesting "gems". Some highlights of my list include:

FlipIt - Lets you flip the screen simply by tilting the device

GCzII - Best mobile geocaching program on any platform

GPS Sport Tracker - a Nifty GPS sport tracker

Midomi - Hold the machine up to the radio and it'll tell you what's playing

Mocha FTP Server - FTP server that makes your device into a sort of "wireless USB Drive"

Opera Mobile 10 - The best mobile browser in history

SciLor's GrooveMobile/GrooveDownloader - Listen to or download music from GrooveShark

Smooth YouTube downloader - very flexible way to download anything from YouTube

SPB Wireless Monitor - keep track of how much data you use across different programs and connections

SpoonAlarm - Wakes me up every morning

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vannanta:
with my winmo i free to xplore n xperiment my device,,i still loved my winmo,,winmo like toys for smart people :D :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] carl.13:
Hi from U.K.

Use my xda exec (have 2 just in case of failure)

Use every day, all day long.

Got 20 years of my life on it: I run a small vehicle repair business and all customer records are on it . Including vehicle history,Invoices,Day to day Booking etc.

This is intigrated with StyleTap the Palm emulator (Hence 20 years History).

Do everything on it including Printing the final Customer Invoice. Accounts etc.

Cant live without it, tried every device going and nothing comes close to the XDA EXEC.

A good strong clamshell device with great Keyboard.

Of course I dont make day to day calls on it!

Think Microsoft lost the Plot with Windows phone 7. Went all soft with Social Networking.

Thanks Carl

P.s.

Thank you guys for all your help over the years even though you dont know it. Bit beyond me a mere Mortal
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daveb673:
Like some, I am not ready to jump to the cloud. Better yet, I am not convinced I need to change just yet. Moreover, I want another phone that has a slide out keyboard and those are hard to find on AT&T. They've told me several times I can upgrade, but there's only one phone (I think) AT&T offers w/slider keyboard, and it's no better than my Tilt. :p

Quite frankly, I enjoy my HTC 8925 w/WM6.1. I've even tried some 6.5 ROMs and still come back to 6.1. My phone still works well, and better yet it will sync with MacOSX on my iMac and MacBook, as well as WInXP. AND, this thing is a world phone. I've used it here, Japan, the UK, Europe, and it's worked well in each location.

I also like how I can tweak and customize WM6.1. There are plenty of apps available, but admittedly not the app-overload of Apple and Android. But I'm okay with that. This little superphone is part phone, part business device, and part memory expansion. :rolleyes:

Not throwing rocks, just why I've stayed w/my Tilt and 6.1 for 3.5 years and counting. I am on my 3rd battery though, and second battery cover....and 6th/7th ROM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] velvet_man:
I'm basically only still using WM because I don't have another option right now. I have an LG IQ, which is a fantastic device hobbled only by WM. I would love to install WP7 or Android, but I haven't been able to find anything about how to do this on my phone yet. It looks like people are getting close with Android, so I have my fingers crossed for that. I'm getting sick of using outdated apps, or not having access to the apps I want, because no one supports WM anymore. Even if I can't get Android on this phone, once my contract is up, I'll be looking into getting a WP7 or Android device.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Link1993:
Still using wm6.1, really better for multi tasking with the standart WM start menu ^^

I preffere to use a stylus to point an option, it's really more precise, You can also see much more things on the screen : buttons and menus are thinner than the big dropdown menus of android and so on... they take always to much place on the screen and hide every informations and contents...

ps : if you're looking for a nice wm6.1 rom pour the touch pro 2, just look at Ocarina ROM. I'll try to add sense soon, I have to finish the base structure (wich is in the lite version.)

It's in FR and in WWE ;)

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:)

+1.....^9999999999999........ :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] husam666:
and it's what i am running :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Link1993:
shure, but it's always nice to do some advertisment :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Cookie Ninja:
I made the transition to WM ppc with an Asus P750 (touchscreen with a Numeric keypad). Loved it with it's 64 Mb memory and it's puny Marvell processor, but the screen was too tiny. Shifted to an Asus P565 with a 2.8" screen and 800 MHz Marvell processor and 128 Mb of memory (I still have it). Then bought an Acer neotouch S200 with a 1GHz processor & 256 Mb of memory with a 4" screen. Still use it as a talk phone, and use my HTC incredible S as a mobile browser. Luv WM 6.1 /6.5 for convenience, ease of customisation, out-of-the-box connectivity with outlook (no Google storage of contacts, data or calendar), and ability to run Garmin mobile XT, navGPS pro and core media player (nothing compares to this for video playback of any media, in any mobile OS). The WM phones could do phone-to-phone direct video call on 3G (without Skype,fring or oovo on both phones, to featurephones & dumbphones too), which is still to be implemented on the purported ice cream sandwich.

you were saying......?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] bfarkin:
Actually, windows is not completely dead, at least not for the enterprise and professional market:

http://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/s/Handhelds/
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Spauldio:
I recently accepted a challenge to run android for a week. After a month I'm back on Windows. Android was nice. Live wallpapers, Netflix, games galore, etc. But when it came down to simple functionality or the ability to do what I NEEDED to do, it was lacking. Lacking only a small bit, but still lacking.

With apps like S2U2 on WinMo I was able to do things without ever even unlocking my phone. I was able to emulate SOME of that functionality on Android, but it was never as simple and quick as it was on WinMo.

I have to admit that I have to do more restarts in WinMo than Android, but I recharged less in WinMo than Android.

I am by no means an average or normal user. I like my customizations and want things the way I want them. That's really what keeps me at WinMo. I can make it just how I want. Other OS's allow some or very little customizing. With WinMo I felt like I was in control.

My current HD2 will most likely be my last WinMo device. I've tried android and it was nice, maybe WinPhone will be nice, but until I have to go, I won’t' leave this OS.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kollector79:
Yes I still Use WM

Time for me to drop my 2cents on this matter. Ever since I got my first WM phone I-Mate I got hooked to WM Os. I tried I-Phone but got tired of the rigidness of it all. Tried Blackberry what a load Crap. So with all this hype for Android I thought why not try it out Got an Ideos as my first Android Mobile but that phone was too tiny I got big hands and then I got the HTC Hero. Now I am back to my HTC Blackstone. I want a HTC HD2 but due to my location these HTC phones are hard to get. And when you do they cost an arm and a leg

Win 6.*** is just the best os ever. and here are my reasons:

S

Why I Like WM

1. Seamless connectivity with my windows based laptop/PC

2. Wireless connectivity ::: Android doesn't see/recognize ad-hock wireless networks.

3. Tethering: I cannot reverse tether on the android (HTC Hero) i.e internet from PC to phone.

3. Bluetooth tethering: I cannot tether via blue tooth from Android Phone to PC internet connection.

4. CrApps: Whilst android claims to have more apps in their market I find most of them congested with Adds and Spyware. These adds eat up on my internet plan and cost me money.

5. Not easy to use: Android is not user friendly. I normally download apps just to see what they are capable of. If I don't like the app then I UN-install it. Took me a while to figure this out on my HTC Hero, on my Blackstone it was just a matter of hitting the UN-install button or using device center to uninstall the app.

6. Cloud: Why should I be used to use this service? Isn't it enough that I have a g mail address? Now Android whats to grab me by the balls (excuse my french) i.e if I don't have a g-mail account then I cant access marketplace?

7. Task Manager: This might not be useful to many but to me its very vital since it does'nt come inbuilt on my HTC hero I had to install "Task Killer" to monitor my running tasks. Maybe I didn't search hard enough but could I run programs simultaneously on the HTC Hero and swap between them?

8. SD Storage: This might be a bit juvenile but again the question is why stick with Wm. Why are there so many excess files once I plug in my SD card? And why doesn't android offer a file manager?

9.

What I like about Android

1. The display. I just love how the screen appears on the HTC Hero and the fact that I can change brightness levels is a big plus.

2. Footprints.....still have to find a way to get this work well on WM.

3.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mtbmdk:
I started using the WM2003 HP Jornada years ago, instead of a laptop. Then had, and still have, multiple 8525's (Hermes). I was able to use a BT keyboard through two semester of college with the 8525 before I broke down and bought a laptop (that laptop died a year ago 8525 still works). Went to the Fuze (Raphael) then a TP2, and finally an HD2.Also a few front KB types and an Athena. They have all been great devices, and all on WM. WM just works for me, it is customizable, integrates with my PC, is good for both productivity and entertainment, tethers in many ways other devices can't, and has better storage options (mini/micro SD). The HD2 is used as a small tablet while still retaining the functionality and useful size as a phone. I know I will stay with HTC and WM as long as possible.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vipinmoza:
Hi all,

My 2 cents.I still love my old samsung omnia running customised ROM and it does what i ask it to.Yes i know the onslaught of andriod,iOS and windows phone 7 has quickened the demise of this wonderful platform but people keep on forgetting that well before andriod,iOS the first truly smartphone were windows mobile devices.

I just wish that MS had developed this platform further but oh well all is well that ends well
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ccezar2004:
i went back and forward... untill a few weeks ago i was (still!) convinced that wm is the best... than i took the jump again with a wp7 rom on my hd2... i even let it for a few days... activated and all... i was missing the easyness of some simple things like smart dial, file explorer, customisable home screen, no cloud policy... for example i was sending text messages as a reply and they went to messenger instead of sms... weird...

anyway... back to wm... it does everything i need... and more... i have an open thread somewhere about this thing... not developing so much for wm, but for iOS and Android.... one of the main answers was that it was because of MS... but it seems now it's working with WP7... we see more and more apps for an MS platform... I'd wish this we'd had this new app policy on a wm platform...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Chainfire:
Is the WM6.5 marketplace down ? :S (nowhere else to ask, sorry)