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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sin-cal:
I've been using my Sprint samsung intrepid for about 4 months now. My last WinMo phone was a mogul. Loved that thing to pieces. I"ve gone through WebOS with the palm pre. Actually really liked the WebOS an the Pre. But...Hardware problems took me through 5 replacements which upon the 5th Sprint offered me an HTC Hero. Which I took an delved into the android community an learned to mod an flash these things. Android is a really nice system. As stated, power consumption is flat out irritating. Battery life is horrid. Gave my hero to someone, moved to an intercept, week later moved to an optimus. Another cool phone. Decent battery life. But multitasking was weak. it simply wasn't powerful enough. Through all this I've bounced between a Razr2 v9m. " love that thing " who says flip phones are dead! :) So now, i'm back with winmo using an samsung intrepid. I can easily squeeze out almost 2 full days of use on a single charge. gps locks for me are almost instant. I've always come back to winmo. also...The intrepid does not incur the extra 10 bucks with sprint. which is nice. It being a legacy device an all. I will probably move to a touch Pro 2 when a new one presents itself for a decent price. but..I'm really liking the intrpid.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] The Zel:
I agree ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] LightSwitchTTM:
Coming from a now-Android user, I have to say that WM is a very good mobile OS. I had experience with it, but the only experience was without knowledge of phone-tampering. When I did have it, it was the stock ROM and that's how it stayed. The phone I had was the HTC Tilt. The thing felt like a brick (which I liked), had a nice keyboard, and the OS WOULD OF ran seamlessly. The problem was that it was filled with a whole bunch of **** that someone else had put into the phone, and at the time I had no idea how to remove it. I do now, so I may consider going back to the phone for a few days, just to see how it works, when used properly.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raving_nanza:
Android users going back to WM

EPIC WIN! :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] husam666:
yup :D

told you android is not worth it :rolleyes:

but people started hating on me
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raving_nanza:
haters gona hate ;):D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] zariq:
I've had an xda orbit for a while. Enjoyed using it for about six months and even tried programming it. Programming it is so easy even a non programmer could start churning out small programs in about a week. To do the same in android would mean spending the first week figuring out how to install the development tools.

Problem is apart from making and recieving phone calls, the xda is only usable with the stylus and having seen the iphone and android users doing everything with their fingers, I can't stand the thought of using the stylus ever again. There might be something out there to change the interface but I haven't found it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raving_nanza:
@zariq

i still have my xda orbit (p3300) but broke the LCD so bought blackstone for the bigger LCD :p

i prefer using the stylus than using my fingers, its a lot quicker and more accurate.

(if you increase the touch sensitivity on WM, it makes using fingers a little better, however its a lot-lot better for using stylus though :))
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] c_shekhar:
You are right. But on the capacitive touch screen, using stylus is not a possibility. You are left with fingers only..:mad:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
POKE Reply

I've found that if I'm careful, I can poke the resistive screen with my fingertip and still be surprisingly accurate. If I want to relax and prop the machine up on the table, then I get out the stylus so I don't have to poke the screen with my fingertip. Sometimes stylus, sometimes not ;).

- 2 Bunny
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] CRACING:
Yeah I have a hard time using remote desktop on HD2. :(

Wish it could be more accurate as resistive digitizer.

Thats why I have decided to buy Chinese android tablet but again I wish there were windows mobile or windows tablets in the price of chs tablets. :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] zariq:
I broke the screen on mine also. Bought a replacement screen for twenty pounds. Tried putting it in myself but I was in such a rush that I broke the plug which connects the screen to the circuit board, so the screen would work while the phone was open but would go blank when case was put back on. after about the fourth time of opening and putting the phone back together I also broke the on off switch. Luckily someone I new repaired phones for a living and he put it in free of charge. He did tell me the digitizer wasn't working but after getting it home a hard reset sorted that out.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] blorenzo:
I am a kid, at heart... 23 years old.

I have an Android Tablet, and honestly am really surprised by how good the OS is. Its fluid and I feel like it is superior to my netbook in every aspect but lets not get cocky. I also sport a WM 6.5 Touch Pro 2 and she isn't going anywhere! I don't even use a custom ROM I am running stock! Why?

1) WiFi router, In my opinion WM WiFi router is still far superior to those on android.

2) Outlook and syncing to my Windows PC it syncs my contacts and appointments so easily. How can you not love it?

3)MorphGear (enough said)

I overclock and she runs super smooth so I am just dandy.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] AmdPhenomII:
I'd be tempted to sell my Galaxy S to get an HTC HD2, lol
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raving_nanza:
lol, lost count how many times i dismantled my artemis, btw you didnt break your power button ;)

(when putting the artemis back together, the power button slightly bends causing the power button not to work, if you reopen it and lift the power button back into place (the actual button on motherboard), it works again :))

@kainppc6700

i prop the device in my left hand and poke using stylus with my right.. all the time, relaxed - no table needed :)

@everyone

what other functions do you use your stylus for, eg - toothpick :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] husam666:
a weapon when someone is invading my privacy :rolleyes:

or something to scratch my skin with :p

a tiny drum stick for air drumming :cool:

...etc etc

yeah im crazy :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ApaKhe:
1. Its fun and its easy to develop apps for it(C++ need for school xd)

2. I like complex stuff to work with, and Android & IOS made it simple for all mobile devices.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
STYLUS PURPOSE Reply

That works pretty well too. Sometimes I do that too, it depends on how big of a hurry I'm in.

I never really thought about that. I only ever use mine for poking the screen (which it does well).

Get two styluses, start a RockBand. :D

- 2 Bunny
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Exsoul:
I use WM 6.5 because there is no android port for HTC Touch 2 (mega) so I can't try other os lol.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Spiderm@n_:
For me Android and iPhone are crap in a shiny wrap. You pay big sum for them, then it comes the marketing dude to explain you how you desperately need that crap but how you can't change the wrap and how not changing it is exactly what you want. Ok, they are good as newbie phones, make calls, see few web pages, watch a movie, listen music. Shiny, some extra functionality and that's all, you can make something more if they let you do it, or if you pay for it. Installing a downloaded application to Android - pain in the ass, you need again network connection go to the market search 5 minutes to find installer app, to let you start the installation of the downloaded application, thanks god you don't have to pay for that app. Task manager on Android, sure, if you download it separately (WM has one native, not the best, but better than what Android has). I wonder, can you modify Android/iOS to the same point you can modify Windows Mobile :D

P.S. Dunno how finger friendly you find Android, but it's bigger pain using my fingers on it than on my Touch Pro, half of the times it accepts some additional movements on my fingers and I end up clicking a damn button 2-3 times before it accept what I want to do, and it's supposed to be finger friendly by origin...........
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] raving_nanza:
o_O Shiny :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tzs75:
cause i heve hd2-winmo 6.5.x pro cht 2.0 & chts 2.30..........coooool bits all
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JumperTomek:
Because is awesome :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jjollyroger:
I'm giving a try to android..

I'm quietly disgusted about the way apps work in background and you have almost no control on them (also if you kill them, after a few seconds some is again live) and on the system

another thing is that apps have very limited capabilities and settings, then you need a ton of apps to do what one WM software is able to do alone..

hardware buttons... I forgot about them using WM, I do everything on touch screen, yes there's an app for this but it has not a complete functionality (.. x button?) ,and on winmo I can also wake up the phone by shaking it .

customize the phone (for what is possible) is a matter of apps too.. many apps to do few things .. and the background processes increase.. while the battery gets down

thanks god I've wifi at home to search and download all damned apps required to get the phone work nearly like stock clean winmo does.

no way.. WM is still better

I'm gonna take care of my hd2 and let it last all the time necessary for the rise of a microsoft genius able to develop and launch another WM
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] PseudoBob:
To answer the topic question: No / Yes.

To elaborate...

No - Because I moved on to Android, never even having upgraded to WM6. I'm planning to get a new Android device shortly.. not because the one I have now sucks (HTC Espresso) but because I'm realizing I hardly ever use the slide-out keyboard that I did use almost to death on my QVGA WM5 device.

Yes - Because recently I found it while cleaning up and decided that I should really either be getting rid of it, or do something useful with it. To that end I first sought out methods to get all the texts that were on there off of it - more than 4,000 of them - checking what apps I had installed and remember actively using, then doing a hard reset and decide what to do. My decision is to put stuff back on there, but that's for another thread.

Again, though, this is based on the QVGA WM5 device when obviously there's the HD2 that people here seem to like rather a lot. Still, WM is dead as far as Microsoft is concerned and the underlying framework won't allow it to ever be proper competition to Android and iPhone.

I know - it doesn't have to be competition, it can just stay where it is: tweaker- and hacker-friendly. Unfortunately, we're a minority and while it's true that there's people who still make new ROMs for SNES emulators, too, developers are dropping WM en-mass as well.. be it because they moved on for the shinier phones or for the market/appstore appeal of $$$. Without a critical mass of users, the platform is pretty much relegated to the sidelines.

I was actually holding out more hope for MeeGo (native linux? yes, please), or even WebOS (web apps with low level API access? yes, please) - but both seem pretty dead without even the huge user- and appbase that WM has.. so Android it is.

( iPhone, while shiny, clashes with me on principle. The Apple head honcho du jour is who should get Gates' icon at Slashdot. Apple are who took Google's motto and conveniently left out the "don't". Apple board members aren't gingers. If Apple were a bronie, they'd be rooting for... oh, you get the idea. )
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] phalkon30:
No. Finally switched to android a month or so ago. It took a while for me to like it as much as my nrg romed phone, but now going back I see why all my friends hated using my wm phone!

One thing though, for being a supposedly open os....windows mobile was a lot easier to hack than android! Rooting and upgrading on android seems more challenging in my opinion.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Titus_Andronicus:
I have a WP7. I was an early adopter and an appologist for MS. But I have been using the leaked Mango for a while, and I am really getting annoyed. When things like copy and past are "features", you know there is something wrong. Really, all I want is Bluetooth SPP. But I know that the chances of that are about 0%. I just wish that my old WM phone was not such an old moddel with a slow processor (I have a Vogue). I am going to get it hooked up again for a week just to help me remember how great WM was.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
ROM Reply

Exactly. Sometimes it takes something like Android, but especially Windows Mobile 7 to realize what you've lost. I know there are lots of features of my ROM that I hadn't realized how much I relied on until I tried one of the other "popular" ROMs.

- 2 Bunny
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] javier2:
1st because I have a low cost but wonderful chinese smartphone that comes with wm6.1.

2nd. Also have an Android tablet and noticed that same apps for wm have more quality, and they don´t depend on the hardware device, for example in Android I could not find yet an application that works with my tablet´s camera.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Duwenbasden:
Still got my Touch Diamond2 alongside the Incredible S, because there is nothing like the TD2 in the Android space right now (except the SEXRay).

Also, I am waiting for Flash on WP7.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Fayld:
Honestly, I am still using a fairly old device (well, not THAT old, but still pretty old by phone standards) in my LG eXpo. I love the device and have always liked titanium.

I am probably one of the few who can honestly say this, but for ease of use, and practicality, I have found titanium to be light years ahead of any of the other home screen gui's available on other OS's (and even on mine). If Microsoft hadn't completely dropped the ball in the area of making changes to that home screen, I believe it would be far more popular. Showaco's cHome editor is awesome, but there was so much more that could have been done with that gui (and has been done by some people through hard work and ingenuity).

That said, I can do almost anything I want on this phone and to this phone and it will reflect how I want it to look, feel, and operate. If I had my choice, I would buy an Atrix and flash WM 6.5 to my SD card and run everything through that. Oh, and did I mention that I can run all of my programs through my SD card? Did I mention that I can ACTUALLY kill any non-essential app via any number of task managers?

Perhaps I am simply showing my ignorance about the inner workings of the Android OS and my knowledge of the system is dated (I won't bother with IOS because I will NEVER own one), but it seems that all the benefits I would get from switching are significantly outweighed by the lack of flexibility.

I wish Microsoft could have found a way to alter WM to make it more appealing to the general market and allow for technological advances (like multi-touch and capacitive (sp?) screens), but from what I have read this simply wasn't possible with the OS. Then again, you never know if Microsoft had released the source code for this OS (I know, crazy talk) what kind of improvements some of the awesome developers here might have come up with.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] PseudoBob:
Honestly, for that they need but look at any one of the 9 or so shell / today screen (later 'home' screen) replacements that ran on the very same OS using the very same backends (mostly pocket outlook) and APIs that the original software did... but changed things over from a heavily small text+stylus-based approach to a graphics/large text+finger-based approach.

There's advantages to both, but the masses have spoken once the iPhone came out (even though others were well on their way to this development in WM apps/shells before the iPhone came out). MS could have chosen to, for example, put the Metro UI even way back on WM2003, although the devices of that time were not powerful enough for large live tiles.

Remember, most of the developers have just been UI - nothing really to do with...

The former comes with the latter - although I've seen multi-touch on resistive screens as well, it's horribly iffy. To the operating system, however, it would merely be a driver change. To the application developers, it means new APIs (instead of a query returning an X,Y coordinate, you get an array of X,Y coordinates or zones).

Nothing's impossible - though at some point you're changing so much that you might as well call it a new OS. Corollary to that is that if you look at the code and report to your boss "we could implement it, but it would take us almost as long as writing a new OS from the ground-up which would also help deal with some of the design issues and throw out requirements for legacy support", that your boss is going to say "let's make a new OS" ( after consulting with marketing, legal, etc. of course ;) )
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] GLAWWD:
I love WM and I find it very reliable and usefull.

I need my ppc to be functional, receive calls, record appointments, contacts, receives mails,use gps to travel, wake up in the morning, take occasional pictures, listen to music, watch movies, browse the web, etc...

My WM makes this easily makable and I am more than satisfied.

Additionally, now that everyone is leaving WM, the ppc on ebay are so cheap and we can still upgrade them here on XDA.

Finally, I love not being in the mass... Everyone around me has Iphone, Android or Blackberry. When I take my ppc out of the pocket, people around me are curious and try to see what kind of phone it is. And if occasionally I meet a WM user it feels like meeting a patriot...

(P.S. : I like WM but I am fed up with all the HTC crap added on WM so when I upgrade my ROM I make sure I have a clean and basic ROM... for me it is just the best)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] husam666:
read my sig lamo :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stanglifemike:
I used WM for many years. I really really enjoyed 6.1 and the little bit of 6.5 that i got to use. WM is super functional and very easy to customize. Once i tried Android though, there was no looking back. Nandroids are simply amazing! Flashing roms while sitting in the mall waiting on my girl to finish shopping is great! With WM I had to be plugged in to my laptop to flash a new Rom. Android is just so much better and very much advanced over WM. WM users are just in denial, let it out guys, let it out..... Lol, just messing with you guys. Every one is different and likes different things, to me Android is MUCH better!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] husam666:
seriously???

you CAN flash a wm rom from SD card, what world do you live in?

just throw the nbh file to the root of the SD and rename it according to your device, and enter the bootloader.. bam you got yourself a flashed phone
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Jackos:
Enjoy your fake software and malware in market :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] PseudoBob:
Enjoy your lack of a market? ;)

(O!Market isn't bad, I guess.. and Handango's InHand is.. well, not horrible.. neither are great)

As for malware...

I downloaded a game a while back that I thought was kinda fun for about 10 minutes.. checked the forums to see if there was any more info on it and instead ran into this:

http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/virus-found-on-windows-mobile-software/

Now, the version I had downloaded wasn't infected, but obviously some versions were.. as well as some other pieces of software.

WM has had its share of malware, unfortunately. And the above is just an intentional one.. do a search on here and you'll find plenty of people who can no longer get their device to start up properly due to, for example, a SIP not installing itself correctly.

WP7 will see its share of malware as well.. if it ever gets popular enough as a target, that is :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
HUMAN TARGET Reply

...And for that reason, WinMo 7 will not get any malware ;):p

- 2 Bunny
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Jackos:
Haha, good one ;D

Back to topic:

I'm still using WM, because there is no alternative for a business smartphone with slide out qwerty keyboard.

Desire Z? OMFG, this cannot be considered as upgrade, even Raphael -> Rhodium was more of a change when it comes to hardware. Do I need to buy a new phone just to slightly improve my processor and add 200 MB of RAM? Not to mention the lack of 5-row keyboard.

I'll wait for HTC to release a new Android device with qwerty that hopefully will target business sector. Considering what they are continually announcing that's not gonna happen soon.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] PseudoBob:
Well, a complete alternative to the above would be getting an external (BT) keyboard with whatever device you like. Get a carrying case, etc. But I'm guessing you'd like to keep the slide-out aspect...

Well, that's a consumer phone for people who text so much that a keyboard is better than none.

That said, there are several models out with 5-row keyboards. They all have their share of cons, though.

Motorola Droid 3 - http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/motorola-droid-3-verizon/4505-6454_7-34845945.html

Samsung Epic - http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-epic-4g-review/

LG Genesis - http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/lg-genesis-us760-u/4505-6452_7-34746334.html

LG Optimus - http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/lg-optimus-t-burgundy/4505-6452_7-34204892.html

HTC Touch Pro - http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-touch-pro-sprint/4505-6452_7-33248637.html

T-Mobile Sidekick 4G - http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/t-mobile-sidekick-4g/4505-6452_7-34542951.html

Some of them are somewhat recent, others maybe a year old.

You can thank businesses for that.. either they've been demanding blackberry for their supposed security (centralized authority != security, companies handing out decryption keys to governments != security) or.. you guessed it.. iPhone. 'cos that looks good, image-wise. Same reason companies will stuff iGear in their lobby/etc. even if their entire business-end is Windows/Linux/BSD/Unix whatever.

Nokia still makes some business-oriented phones, but their partnership with Microsoft has yet to deliver on its promise. If you dislike WP7 then it's not going to help you anyway :)

Anyway, the above list shows that every year at least a few models with slide-out keyboards, even 5-row ones, do come still come out. Maybe not any to your liking, though :)

on-topic.. my WM only has 5 rows if you count the two soft button breakout buttons above the qwerty area ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] husam666:
enjoy looking like a complete dork :cool: