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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] big daddy kane:
The reason I still have/use my WM is because it's quad band GSM, which helps that I have family to visit in Germany and go overseas for work every now and then.

I picked up a Cingular 3125 (HTC StrTrk) to use when I was in Germany for an extended amount of time and upgraded it from WM5.0 to 6.1 when it was still a 'current' device on here.

Originally paid like $150 for it in like new shape, then paid that imei something or other .co.uk site $40 to unlock it... didn't stay new for long and started having major issues like the phone randomly locking up that I found out were caused by hardware issues after it totally died when I was overseas. Luckily I found one on Ebay with a broken screen and swapped mine into it... still works now. Once I got it, called up AT&T and they unlocked it for me with no hassle after checking the IMEI with a database to make sure it wasn't stolen.

Things I love are the ~1100mAh battery that will last all week with moderate use since it's only got a TI 195MHz processor and no touchscreen/WiFi/3G. Also would keep me entertained with music on the 2GB micro SD and a Gameboy Color emulator with Tetris. Any other game was too hard to play on the numpad. I also loved how it's not locked down and was super easy to update the ROM and install whatever I felt like installing. Plus excellent compatibility and limited editability with Office files.

Things I don't like are limited compatibility with programs (it's the smartphone version, really only a few good WM5+ apps I would use, all the others that worked were WM2003), no WiFi, 195MHz processor, no touchscreen, and only supported 2GB SD cards.

When I permanently came back to the States (except for occasional trips overseas), I picked up a Verizon HTC Droid Eris, which I later found out is one of the best Android phones in terms of developer support. I mean, they've got a working alpha build of Android 4.0 for my device that has been unsupported by Verizon for a year and a half. That would be like putting Windows Phone 7 OS on my 3125 :P

So I keep the 'ol girl around since that Eris is CDMA only, and I really don't like the cheapest Nokia phones work gives me overseas. I pop the SIM out and put it in my 3125 and then play Tetris!

My next phone *MIGHT* be an iPhone 4s, but ONLY because it's got a SIM card, and Verizon has been receptive to SIM unlocking for overseas carriers in past phones like the BB Storm 2 and higher end Android phones (which happen to cost as much or more than the 4s).

Since I don't use my phone at all for business use, and I'm not a fanboy of any OS, I'm not worried about sticking to a particular phone. I generally just use it as a phone, internet browser, videos, and occasional gaming when I'm bored.

But who knows? Maybe I'll keep the 3125 around for years to come because of it's outstanding battery life (note that the Cingular version of the StrTrk has a higher capcity battery of the other versions, among other things like 128MB ROM instead of 64MB).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kaleb_709:
well this is what happened to me

I'm not a WM person, I didn't "grow up" with windows mobile, actually my first smartphone was an iphone 3g (no s) I've had many devices since then, this year WM devices dropped price and I bought one on amazon.com, I got it as a replacement for my nokia n8 wich I left at a minimarket xD. I didn't know much about winmo before that, but after being here on xda for a while and tweaking/flashing the htc imagio for a while, I actually like it and I feel like I have a lot to learn about this awesome misunderstood OS, it does stuff I never thought it was possible (like connecticng wirelessly with active sync via bluetooth and installing apps from the pc). Also htc did a daaaarn good job with touchflo 3d.

I have a mytouch 4g but I still use the htc imagio as my main phone, and use the mytouch to chat/facebook/games/etc. I think the main problem with windows mobile is the actual hardware of the devices, also, I assume that programing apps for winmo was harder than for android. I think microsoft should have not dropped the OS but just bring new hardware and new apps, I'm actually seriously thinking about getting an hd2 or an lg fathom to see how the OS responds with a better processor. I agree with somebody who said that winmo devices are like toys for smart people, I actually fell in love with the difficulty level of the software, sometimes it looks like android and ios are made for dumb people (I actually think they are) everything easy and not customizable.

So yeah I have a 1ghz 700(something) ram android phone, and a winmo device with half the hardware and I use them both and treat them as equals, so if you are the geeky kind of person, winmo is for you, if you don't understand/like that then go for an android or an iphone.

Another thing, I absolutely LOVED touchflo 3d and I WISH I had that in my android phone, but I have to admit that I would be less comunicated if I only had the winmo phone, the social networks and im apps are better on android
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kluong6:
I still have the Kaiser tilt with wm 6.1, stylez v5.0, radio 1.70.19.09, at&t, for the last 3 yrs (since 12/08). I have a bunch of software that probably wouldn't work with android or the new wp7. I had been using abusalaza prior to that for about a yr or two until he stopped updating his roms. Anyhow, I've been waiting for the device to stop working but it hasn't yet. My wife has the exact same mobile device and hers hasn't stopped working either. She's gone through several back cases, batteries,styluses but mine is still all oem parts. I think the difference is that I take better care of it with a case and she shoves it in her purse without a case. Overall, I usually get 3-4 (sometimes 5)days on my device and happy with the performance and battery life. I use the device to talk to family and friends daily and run my medical software that I have on it in the office. I also have a couple of abusalaza pda_corner tweaks for the upper right color icons and mskips color icons for the manilla. Otherwise, this device and software are superior. I had previously used wm2000, wm3.1...etc samsung touch phones and axim x50($500 one for me and one for the wife) that I paid high dollars as soon as they came out prior to this device. However, this device has provided me with everything I need to this day and remains such a solid product that I probably should get some extra battery packs to keep the life going...I also tried out the HD2 when it came out but I wasn't initiall impressed with it's battery life on the t-mobile carrier.

I've been a windows user since the early 80's as a kid and very used to the open nature of the software, without restrictions and the ability to modify, copy, tweak files and softwares. I have tried the iphone for a week, but didn't like the lock down nature of the device and all the costs of the marketplace. Plus, everything with this software version is one or two steps away versus many more steps with the iphone. For instance, calling would take at least 4 touches on the iphone compared to 2-3 touches on my phone. Anyway, this Kaiser is a very solid phone that I plan to perhaps replace with a tp2 or hd2 or the latest compatible device when it's time is up. I might just go look for some decent phones on e-bay. It seems like this device won't break down though, cross my fingers.

Overall, I hope that windows improves their software by getting legendary xda modifiers so that they can perhaps one day bring back a comparable wm platform or a hybrid with their current software(I haven't played around with wp7 yet). In my mind, I don't think microsoft is that far away from their competitors and will continue to catch up if they invest more money so that they can get the right hackers and modifiers to work for them. Then, xda hackers would be united once more. I'm just an end user putting in my 2 cents.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hongthuy:
I'm using WM 6.1 with Directional-Pad

Android is for kids and WP7 is immature..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Wolfas:
I feel really strange after this message just appeared unexpectedly on the screen of my WM6.5.X Touch Pro. Updates every time I connect my Pocket PC to my laptop PC... Yeah, it looks like a glipse of alternate-reality :( Personaly, I will never forgive Microsoft for stopping developement on Windows Mobile
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
Me neither, that was just uncalled for. That and this worthless "metro" crap is getting really really old.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Wolfas:
I totally agree, Metro would probably be nicer solution than CHome, but making it one and only UI to use... Someone used too many Iphones in Microsoft or what? If that new OS is based on the same WinCE, so where is the backwards compability, unlocked approach to system core, registry (I doubt if it does have it at all). And thinking that metro will be one and only ui on Win8, too. Probably I would prefer it on tablet, but definitively not on my laptop or desktop PC's :D Hell, I wouldn't call Windows Phone 7 that way, as it doesn't have anything to do with Windows or legacy of WM 6, so Iphone-like Phone 1 would be much more suitable.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kluong6:
I agree with the above statements. Like I said, they need to get some top xda modifiers and tweak and improve on the wm platform. They definitely should make it backwards compatible since windows has been around for over 20yrs. Everybody has lots of software and cabs that would be continued to be of use. Let's not just recreate the wheel completely. They should have an icon some where so that we can bring up our wm platform with a click of a button. That way, it would be the best of both worlds. Don't know if ms can pull that off unless they make the .cabs compatable with their windows 8 software. I know there in the middle of the fork, but there's just too many windows users in the states and around the world to just burn wm and make it obsolete like this. However, I am for integration of they are able to make it compatible with zune, xbox, touch/pads, & desktop.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
WINDOWS FAIL Reply

Underneath, it really actually is Windows CE, like the Zune HD (which had a little mod you could do to access the normal CE interface). I think it's beyond repair and I've lost all hope in Microsoft's mobile platforms.

Right. I hope Windows 8 has more features than just some goofy metro crap.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
I wish someone within the chevron team would hop of the wp7 bandwagon & suggest to ms that they release the source for wm since they abandoned & xda have provided more support these days.

MS couldve came out with an equal to android. Metro couldve been their vanilla while allowing users to have access to sense & other launchers but right now android is way more wm than wp7. I dont see wp8 being ne different since theyre trying to make an idiot proof smart phone.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
CONCERNED 2 BUNNY Reply

I guess that's what happened when this kind of power got so inexpensive that even "non smartphone people" need a dumb enough operating system that can still be called a "smartphone". I miss Windows Mobile, but (aside from the horrors of not being able to sync ActiveSync) Android has been working out actually kind of okay for me. Plus, tons of people ask me about it all the time. I had a group of people today try it and comment on how smooth it was (and the cracked touchpanel (I bought it that way)). I never realized that taking care of your stuff and overclocking could have such an impact on the performance that you almost take for granted until you try it on stock again, no matter what platform you're using.

Back to the other thing you were saying though, Windows 8 on the desktop has me really worried. I mean, the old MS ended when "Windows Mobile 7" came out, and has slowly started to infect everything they do like a big ol' virus. If this "virus", so to speak, spreads to desktop Windows, I really don't know what I'll do. I don't want to be using my mouse to drag around a bunch of useless tiles all day long. Can't they see that Windows 7 was a huge hit because that's where they pretty much nailed it? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"...

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] anon1811:
Windows Mobile vs. Windows Phone

I just want to give a few examples, what makes Windows Mobile (6.5) superior to Windows Phone 7(.5) in certain aspects, although I have comparable apps for both OS's with very few exemptions:

- there are free versions of freda for both WM and WP7, but the WM version is much better and easier! No ads even in the free version, but much more important: to get ebooks on it, I simply drag&drop them with the file manager. In WP7, I somehow have to find the books I want from within the application, which is not very comfortable. (Just the same with iSilo)

- although I found nearly everthing I looked for in WP7, there is one thing I'm still looking for (if anyone knows if/where it exists, please tell!):

a call recorder, like VITO Audio Notes Touch for Windows Mobile.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Jms122589:
So what iv been seeing is that "android is for kids and teenagers"'and I would have to disagree. If anything is for kids/teenagers it would be the iPhone (my 5 yo can use it), or wmo7,(my technologically retarded mom and sister use it). Android is amazingly open and efficient if you know what the heck you are doing. I don't have much experience with windows but I do know that it's old. And that it's basically dead. So yes I suppose android iOS and wmo7 would be for those looking for something new and active, mainly younger folks, but I don't get why someone would be so reluctant to change to something useful and active but whatever. Just my two sense.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
I'm beginning to think that you're on the right tracks there. Windows Mobile is a good platform, but with no new hardware and no new software, Android is the only viable alternative, and after using it for a month, I can't say I feel like the "master" yet in this owner/handheld device "relationship", but I'm perhaps moving in that direction. When I talk to people about mobile phone stuff, I always bring Windows Mobile into the conversation even if (sadly) they never got to try it.

I'd agree that IOS is a good "starter platform" for impatient teens and older people who don't need something tough to use or with a lot of features. The other day at the shop where I work, a customer was talking about the iPhone and how it was too fancy for him and how he only really needed some really old prepaid Nokia. If I wasn't distracted by something else at the moment, I would've loved to have told him that he is exactly who Apple and Microsoft are targeting with I O S and WinMo 7.

What a strange world we live in...

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Gadgety:
I'm using WM because of a few applications that I need which are superior in WM compared to the competition. I also wanted a resistive screen. The hardware, Omnia II, is getting old, sometimes it hangs e.g. when recording audio it occasionally doesn't start the application. My wife's got an Android phone and for certain things the app store is superior, and cheap/free in comparison. Furthermore the hardware is now developing at such a rate, and a lot of convenient apps are appearing it's tempting to switch. For now, though, WM is my preferred platform.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] enjoymoosic:
I'm using the HTC TP2 with Sprint, and I'm definitely starting to feel its age.

I'm only using it because it's the only smartphone Sprint will allow me

to use on my plan. :T
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
SPRINT FAIL Reply

Really? Wow, the market really is turning against smartphones. How much do you pay for that plan and what do you get?

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] x2h:
i am stuck with WM simply because no other OS sync with my outlook better. WM is a tool while others are toys. of course most ppl pick a toy, therefore they pick Android or iOS.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ezorla:
Wp7 is a total disaster. Still Skype is awaiting to be released.. And no file manager? Wtf? At least 8gb of internal memory and only I can upload photo and music? I could have got a mp3 player. The same thing.

Android is fine for me. But iPhone. Still no file manager. WM is a stable OS and has lots of apps.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
what does that have to do with this thread?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ebatr8:
Man windows mobile was sick, can't believe many people still use it. When I switched to android I kept missing some features windows mobile had, the ability to just manage files real well alone was one of the best things it has going for it. Slowly android has grown most of the features I needed out of windows mobile and its the best thing out that you can get to resemble what windows mobile once was.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vipinmoza:
I am stuck with my samsung omnia running custom 6.5 ock ROM because first i love my phone and secondly i can't afford a phone right now lol.

Anyway i am kinda sad there is no further development or ROM cooking on this OS.Can you guys please send me link for newer 6.5 ROM's out there like 2010 and 2011ish???

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
rom development was based on new released devices, there's not been any new wm devices thus no new roms, at least on a wm build level, perhaps someone kept modding it but the is its self is here to stay as it is
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vipinmoza:
This sucks and my omnia doesn't have enough power to run android.

There was this android port from some russian developer.Anyways i m going to keep my omnia.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] shenchuo:
HD2 with NRGZ WM ROM and CHT 2.0 is the best
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] anon1811:
newer roms for omnia

Didn't you have a look at modaco, where you probably have ock's rom from? The latest release for the i900 Omnia is this. Build 23153 from Nov 22, 2011, so it's just 6 weeks old.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] XxAndrexX:
I loved WM, now I have WP7 too, but it simply sucks. I mean, I just bought WP7 only because the hi-res screen. and for business, I had to jump to symbian...

now I have 2 bad mobile phones, and I could just have all in 1 like WM was!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vipinmoza:
I do visit modaco from time to time but missed this one.Many thanks mate.

Anyway is there any chance of MS releasing source code of WM platform like HP did for webOS so developers can have little fun with WM??

As i see it WM is not money making for them anymore so no harm in releasing it to developers right??
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
dispite what some would have you believe wm is sill used alot in the business world, id imagine ms wouldn't release code until thats no longer the case
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
I can. I recall a few articles not to long ago showed wm was out doing wp lol...I think theyre to stubborn to admit they ****ed up by ditching wm to a certain point. I would have keep both in the works but had wp7 developed under a different brand especially to attract new non-techy customers. Another option couldve been make their own wm phone but have a wp7 has deep intergrated skin like sense but a classic mode to disable it to customize it to ur liking.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vipinmoza:
I want to ask a question here.Whats the fundamental difference between WP7 and WM as in did MS change the underlying kernel and started WP7 from scratch???

Also couldn't MS further develop WM and made it into WP7??or perhaps like you said change the skin and made WM more touch friendly and some added bells and whistles and release upgrade to all existing WM phones.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
It wouldnt surprise me if the actually WM sales are way up with iOS or android, there uses for that OS in the business world are almost limitless!

Keeping them both would have been ideal, WP7 isnt supposed to replace WM, its a phone OS, not a pocketPC theres no reason both couldnt exist

WP7 is a complete rewrite, but its aimed at a different market and to be fair, for the market it was aimed at its actually really very good, but that market isnt the pocketPC market, I happen to agree that WM was killed long before its time, WM was shafted big time by the OEMs and networks, MS always got the blame for the OS but if other folk didnt keep messing about with it and drivers were paid for (tut tut HTC!) it would have been great.

Take HTC, you can reskin WM to anything you want, and they did a great job with sense, what was always lacking was propper driver support and a MS big brother keeping them all in check.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
I think they learned well by having the min spec requirements with wp7 but made a dumb ass move by not pushing those new specs with wm. The only thing they shouldve copied from apple was marketing & strong arming carriers to strap the bloatware. The ms blame is well deserved.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vipinmoza:
Any idea how many people actively use WM devices these days??If i remember few years ago before the iOS and android mania,WM was leader in smartphone segment and if MS really cared about its customers it would have initiated parallel development of WM and WP7.IMO two different OS's catering to two different segment of customers.

Well we can petition to MS regarding WM source code general release ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
MICROSOFT EPIC FAIL Reply

That's the point exactly. You have a good idea, but MS doesn't care about its customers anymore and has really been on a fast downward spiral toward failure ever since Bill Gates "semi quit" and let the log roll itself.

A few months ago, I read this blog that was talking about Microsoft's latest screwups. It was more centered around Windows 8, but there were a few entries on Windows Mobile 7 (I wish I would've kept the links as I can't find it now) and it seems like the author was the only person who could see how MS screwed up.

If they really wanted to take some "IPhone customers", they could've (like you said) developed two softwares simultaneously, but the fact that they just slapped in the face the Windows Mobile customers really pissed me off, and I have beyond lost hope in microsoft products. That's all there is to it.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TFGBD:
Well, it wasn't MS but between this and the Opera Mobile hack, it looks like we're getting our wishes granted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FNls9Hi6TQ
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
Great call. I had no idea that they were working on that. Finally those "Windows Mobile 7" devices can get some useful life breathed back into 'em (now if only I could do that with my Epic).

Tell us more about the "opera mobile hack" too :-)

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