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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Doc114:
Yes To Wm

I think most of it has been said. It would seem most of us that used WM and moaned about it didn't realise just how good it really was. The reason being we weren't using the other op sys out there. Now it is all but gone we now want it back. Oh well thats progress I guess. The WML project does look exciting , lets hope they really get this off the ground and up and running. Until they do I'll keep using my JADE, Sedna and Touch Pro. Yes I know they are old now but all function well as a phone, all send text messages, all have tom tom ( working ) and work well with my computer operating system ( windows 7 ) Also they are all working great using my finger instead of a stylus. Microsoft just got the op sys working ( WM6.5 ) Then they dumped it. Hey didn't they do that with windows XP and introduced Vista. How long did that last...hahaha
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
CURIOSITY Reply

Definetly. Now is that thing where they put regular windows mobile on those WM7 devices emulation, or is it running on top or something similar to that thing they did with Windows CE on Zune HD? Could this have serious potential on other device and/or non WM7 handhelds? This has got me really curious. :)

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
, I'd be very interested in how deep this rabbit hole goes! For instance does it have direct access to the hardware, if so I can see GPS and the full BT stack being a huge bonus. Or is it drip fed by wp7 APIs I have sooo many programs ( yes not "apps") I need, some of which need to communicate on com ports an all sorts.

Who knows tho, we will just have to wait and see, hopefully it gets released =)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Dragonet:
I love the format and UI.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Abrax1:
is very good thengs
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] EdrickV:
Am on my second Tilt/Kaiser and 4th Windows Mobile device. (Technically I had another Windows CE device, a Cassiopeia A-11A I believe, but never used it for much since I had no way to sync it with anything and it ate AA's up too quick.) Prior to Windows Mobile I used a PalmOS Sony Clie.

I still use Windows Mobile because WP7 is junk in my opinion, iPhone is too restrictive, and there aren't any Android native devices I know of that have the features my tilt does. Specifically, a bunch of reprogrammable hardware buttons, (thanks to the slightly buggy HButton) a stylus, and a physical qwerty keyboard.

Also, with the cell phone plan I have and can afford, replacing/upgrading my phone means buying one outright without the 2-year contract discount and, for example, a Samsung Galaxy Note costs almost 10 times as much as my second Tilt did. Any other cell phone plan from the same carrier, with a smartphone, would likely cost a lot more since it would require me to have a data plan. (I technically have data access, but it is a "pay for the amount of data you use" type rather then a "x GB/MB a month" data plan.)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chirrindulari:
For OziExplorer

Simply for that
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] karle74:
Because my HD2 with WM6.5 has good battery life.

And Tomtom works great :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] elecconnec:
Wow. All this WinMo love is making me tear up! ;) I'm still a WinMo fanboy, mostly because at the end of the day, I get more done with it. I'm still a file-based guy, and I feel like no one else sees how the newer mobile OSes are really a step backwards in terms of computing. Back in 70's and 80's, when computers weighed 40 lbs and were powered by coal, we ran a program, and worked with our files inside of that program. Then, as graphical user interfaces became popular, computing shifted to where we worked on our files, and the OS figured out what program was needed to manipulate those files.

Then iOS shows up, and "apps" took us right back to 1979: you want to open a note, an ebook, or a spreadsheet? Find whatever "app" created/owns it, open the app, and the app will access the file, maipulate it, and even handle moving it off the device, because the sandbox won't let any other app access it. Sheesh! It's like owning a VIC-20 all over again!

WinMo is certainly flawed in many, many ways, but it still stands as the best implementation of a PC-like experience on a handheld device. It's totally autonomous- no outside computer is needed to "kickstart" it, no cloud server needed to "activate" it- you take it out of the box, and it just works, like any PC would.

Android is the closest modern OS to the WinMo ideal of autonomous computing, but it has awkward file management (which is still better than the non-existent file management of iOS and WP7!)

In my household, we have iOs devices, Androids, WP7s and WinMos, and I still use the WinMos 95% of the time (mostly my HD2, but occasionally my Treo Pro and Sony X1, all in sync via Dropbox.) I love the WP7 UI, but the OS is far too walled in and dependent on MS services (take away Skydrive and Bing and the thing is a dumbphone with a big screen.)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ccezar2004:
+1
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Wagierek:
Windows Mobile is very good optimized OS. On 400mhz and 128mb RAM it works at a full speed. Heroes 2 on my Kaiser works fast as hell, when on my friend's OCed LG Swift (exactly 2x better hardware) it's unplayable. Windows Mobile rocks and Android sucks, but developers chose Android. Why?

What's more, battery (1350mAh) in my Galaxy Gio lasts for 2-3 hours of non-stop internet via carrier's network. My HTC Kaiser (also 1350 mAh) lasts for 8 hours in the same place, visiting the same sites. Without any sort of battery saving, it lasts for about 2 or 3 days, on Gio only half of a day. Why the hell is Android so popular with developers, but WM no more?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pimppoet:
blame ms...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ccezar2004:
the thing with WM, IMHO is that it was/is too good... in fact it allows us to do whatever we want... this is not something that MS wants...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
Yup, wm is the best pocket pc. Hands down!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
It's the functionality, stupid!

WM has something that a mobile pro such as myself DEARLY needs. USB or Bluetooth tethering at a moment's notice with no fuss, no drama. Granted, webOS's homebrew "freetether" works pretty well but you won't be reaching for a spare battery or charger while using ICS on a WM device. My old, trustworthy HP Glisten lives in my laptop bag waiting to come into dutiful service whenever I'm nowhere near a hotspot. Android's Wi_fi Tether for root users is too buggy, drains the battery in minutes or heats up the battery to a boil. Don't even get me started on My-Wi for iCrap, that's about as useless as teets on a bull. WP7 internet sharing is ok except for the battery drain too. The other great thing about WM is the full integration of MS Exchange including tasks. Google even tells you to uncheck tasks when setting up a Google account on Exchange. As for my Glisten, there isn't a better keyboard out there including anything from RIM. BTW, my regular, everyday phone is a Telstra ROM'd Quantum. I need a keyboard and tethering, the only "swype" I would want is the gestures from my old Pre2. That's my $.02 for this topic.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] spunker88:
Because WM is discontinued and not being shipped on new devices. I would have loved to have seen WM be updated for capacitive mulittouch screens. Everybody says bad things about WM, but a UI refresh and better support for modern hardware would have helped revive it.

I pictured something that draws heavily from Windows 7. A dock/taskbar with true multitasking capabilities where you can pin apps (by default phone, text, contacts would be there) but also running programs just like Windows 7. To the right would be a clock/time/cell signal and to the left would be a start orb that allows you to see and launch programs, go to settings, etc. Android is lacking decent task switching support, ICS helps a bit, but having a Windows taskbar adapted for mobile would be ideal.

The today screen could be revamped with support for shortcut icons and support for Windows 7 gadgets which would be similar to widgets on Android, and since Windows 7 gadgets are HTML/JS based you could run them on Windows Mobile. HW accelerated aero graphics and transitions would be introduced since today's graphics hardware is much more powerful and it would give the OS the eye candy that it always got critiqued for not having.

As far as old stylus based apps, compatibility would be there with a warning message for old apps upon installation and launch saying it was designed for old version, may require stylus, etc. But this nag notification could be turned off.

Its just not like Microsoft to kill off compatibility and the new Windows Phone doesn't have anywhere near the customization features that WM had. Also in the WM days we used to talk about the importance of using screen real estate wisely on mobile devices. The Windows Phone UI seems to waste a lot of screen real estate. Metro is a UI that works on Xbox 360s on big TVs but not on small screen phones IMO.

For me Android seemed like the best place to go after MS abandoned WM. Many of the power users went to Android and it has the best balance between number of apps available and ability to customize the OS. Android brought many of the modern HW features that were lacking in WM like mulittouch, finger friendliness. WM 6.5 had done a decent job catching up but it felt like a rushed product that needed more work IMO. Many of the things that we took for granted on WM will require rooting and/or installing a custom ROM to do on Android. For example theming (custom color taskbar, fonts, etc) was pretty easy to do on WM. There used to be a desktop program that allowed you to customize everything and then make a theme file you installed on your device. On Android this level of customization would require a custom ROM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
The hd2 does just about everything you asked!

Wp is not a pocket pc, it was never designed to be, which is why its such a great phone os and why its so frustrating people compare it to android and wm.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pMyn.Lab:
I use WM and Windows CE 4.0 and 5.0. I develop application for company who use barcodes and many terminal use Windows CE Core.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
With the demise of Windows Mobile (and "Windows Mobile 7" is NOT Windows Mobile), the only logical upgrade is to the only smart platform left today - android. I too miss customization, theming, internet radio, FM radio, basic sync capabilities, programs that don't exit themselves, the ability to shut off the phone radio without "flight mode", automatic data shutoff, not having to deal with google's retarded "playland", ..*pauses for breath*; android really does kind of suck... But it is all we have available to us on current hardware, and we'll just have to make do with it and hope that the development community can build programs to fix its problems.

Interesting stuff...

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sitizenx:
I'm not sure where you guys live but the Lumia 900 comes with the Nokia Collection. It includes Nokia drive for free. When you set it up you can download the maps you need for free. You download maps one state at a time so you don't have to have the entire US on your phone. I don't know if they offer something like that in the rest of the world. Nokia drive works better than TomTom ever did on my Tilt II. It locks into satellites fast... even indoors! I'll have to see how good the maps are. But if GPS is holding you back feel free to jump in the WP 7 pool now. The water is nice. Just make sure you get a Nokia. FYI Nokia just killed Tomtom and Garmin. When Nokia announced what they were doing with Nokia Drive Tomtom and Garmin's stock fell.

Considering it now comes with FREE GPS an often sited important feature mentioned over and over in this thread I think your assessment of WP 7 is a tiny bit WRONG.

Yes, I would have thought this would be obvious. WP 7 is not aimed at the geeks of xda developers. The regular users of this forum represent a tiny minority of cell phone users. Honestly the iphone definitively proved that the VAST majority of people do not care about flashing custom roms or tinkering with the registry. I miss the Wild West aspect of this forum and tinkering with my Tilt II, but I love how the operating system and hardware combination on the Lumia is so efficient they can give the phone out for free.

What I don't like about WP7...

I don't like the fact you can't just plug the phone into your computer and via USB or bluetooth sync your contacts with Outlook. WTF MSFT!

I don't like how you can't just plug the phone in via usb and drag and drop files into specific folders.

I haven't discovered a built in remote desktop app. Am I missing something?

That was my understanding. In order to have a fast stable OS that would do what the masses wanted on cost effective hardware it simply wasn't feasible to continue the all things to all people model. Like I said the press is raving about how the Lumia 900's price point. They were able to accomplish the cost effective integration of hardware and software because they boiled down the OS to the things that matter to the masses.

I accept WP 7 for what it is. It does the majority of critical tasks I need. The one thing missing is an app I need for work. It irks me but I take my Tilt II to work with me if I need that app. Hopefully after the amount of interest shown in the Lumia 900 some more developers will port their apps to the platform.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JustSomeGeek:
Well that's me weaned off WM6x, almost. :-(

I have the Galaxy Note now to replace my Athena. Big screen and small stylus so it's good for RDP/VNC and e-books. Not too keen on the lack of friction compared to using a resistive screen and stylus though, so i'm like bambi on ice with it atm.

Still nothing in the 'droid world to compare to the depth of the games on WM though. I mean Age of Empires on your phone and you can use the desktop maps/campaigns on it? Even now, how cool is that? My son seems to think so too, and picked my re-furbed Kaiser over a brand new 'droid just for this game lol.

Still no TCMP/Coreplayer or anything else to stream video yet either. All these companies bigging the media capabilities up need a slap.

WM6x emulator for the green robot anyone?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] spunker88:
Coreplayer did work on an Android build, but nothing has ever been released. They seem to be focusing on licensing for OEMs only. Its a shame because I would have paid good money for a player as capable as TCPMP/Coreplayer on Android. Hopefully the VLC Android port brings all codec and streaming support of the desktop version, then we would have a decent TCPMP substitute. There is an unofficial build of VLC out now that looks promising, it streams AAC, MP3, WMA, etc just like its desktop counterpart but its still unstable and the GUI needs work.

For GPS I found Sygic which uses TomTom maps and is pretty nice. Unfortunately for those already invested in another app, they will have to buy it again. But it has offline maps which can be downloaded to the device so you don't have to rely on having 3G service and wasting expensive data.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
As I've said before, wm6.5 on a snapdragon was amazing, only let down by lack of proper graphics drivers, the issue was it was too late, the irony is, that same hardware is still Working today with the latest OS versions, 3 years later!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
I was so consumed by my rant about newer OS's not being able to tether as well as WinMo that I forgot to mention the most important feature that went away with WM. Namely, network drive mapping. Accessing files on my company's server with my Glisten is as easy as easy as doing it on my desktop. Don't have to download any apps on the server like with iOS, WP7 or webOS and certainly better than the garbage file explorers offered up by Android. I understand that the new thing is cloud servers and that's fine and dandy for personal use but there aren't many companies putting their sensitive files on Box or any other cloud servers. At least not in the construction industry. Us crusty old timers haven't quite embraced the whole cloud computing thing yet. Maybe when my generation finally kicks the bucket or gives way to you young whippersnappers things will change.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
ES File Explorer actually has some limited SMB/Windows share capabilities, but to use password protected shares, you have to use yet another software. I don't use them that much, but I do remember back on the Diamond, I could easily browse network shares right in the stock file explorer.

On the "cloud" storage thing, I'm the same way - it sucks because it eats data, battery, and your info is only as accessible as the network. The MegaUpload shutdown on a whim caused me to lose all faith in "the cloud" forever. It will never get a kilobyte of my useful or backup data.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] spunker88:
In any Linux based OS network drives are mounted, but in Android its a pain to do this as most kernels lack support. Unfortunately, a lot of Linux features are stripped out or not working well in Android. This was probably done to lower the size of the OS since the average user could care less.

There are other apps that will let you view Windows shares, I use File Expert. But since the share is not mounted you cannot run files directly from the share like playing a movie via a network share. This is something I used to do on WM all the time, and it would be easy to do with Android if you could mount shares like you can in Ubuntu, etc.

As far as the cloud goes I just cannot trust it. Ive had several little free websites I made in years past and when the provider shut down, they just deleted my stuff without sending me a warning. Then in 2012 we have Megaupload shut down by the good 'ol US government because some content was copyright infringing. To everybody that had perfectly legal content on there, too bad.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
GOVERNMENT FAIL Reply

Same here. Look how many filehosts have either disappeared or been crippled just in the last three or four months. I use FileLockers for hosting my ROMs, but would never trust one with personal information or as a "backup" of any kind. In fact, it is nowhere near being "acceptable backup". Acceptable backup to me is a hard drive on my desk that I can plug into my computer and copy things to. Fast, tangible, secure, dependable, and not at risk of being shut down because some government felt like it.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] شیرخدا:
My main reasons:

1. After using many of the office apps on Android I have yet to find one as complete and with as many functions as the one built into Windows Mobile.

2. Remote Desktop is very simple and works well.

3. Flawless integration with Windows and Outlook.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] siddhu_:
yes... Wm is very smooth..

beautiful MIUI

simple and yet best

---------- Post added at 11:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:26 AM ----------

frgt to mention

the main reasn is

BATTERY LIFE :))
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] koppa:
1 two ways call recording

2 theft of personal information (google)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Talon Pro:
Privacy is one, having MY phone the way I want it and the integration with Windows on my home PC's. Plus Sprint cant charge me for 'extra, special' data usage bull.

Although i did find CIQ on the Touch Pro2 i have, on a stock 6.1 ROM, but it seems really limited on what it gathers, and you can turn it off in the registry.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] oPhreak:
i agree with you...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dentr96:
enjoy it

I use it because it was my first WM OS on my first PPC. Very I like CHT software WM and other options. I still use it and still find new ways to customize my home screen :)

- sorry for my english..... :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SNYPE2K9:
So this is my third time heading back to Windows Mobile in less than 2 years.

Samsung Instinct S30 (first phone) > HTC Touch Pro (first try with WM) > Samsung Moment (beautiful hardware keyboard) > HTC Touch Pro > HTC Hero (wanted the HTC experience but with Android speed) > Palm Pre (wanted something cheap/armv7) > HTC Touch Pro > HTC EVO 4G (first foray into armv7 Android) > HTC Touch Pro > Samsung Epic 4G (Powerful GPU) > HTC Touch Pro 2 (Just Bought Yesterday!)

There's a sense of freedom and accomplishment that goes along with a Windows Mobile device.

In a way, not having an app store has made Windows Mobile more of an adventure, because you can always get that "look what I found" feeling.

Every Windows Mobile device is YOUR device, while every Android device just feels like everything else.

Add to that privacy issues and lack of support for devices (that statement includes you too, HP/Palm) and Windows Mobile just feels like where I belong.

Then the fact that there is NOTHING Android can do, that I cannot do on Windows Mobile and I really have no reason to use anything else.

To be fair, I love resistive touch. I like being able to write and draw. I was very attracted to the Galaxy Note because of this actually. Resistive is just more accurate and I like that. I don't mind a stylus at all.

That being said, I want a harder, more sensitive resistive screen, something I CAN use with the pad of my finger if I need to. The scrolling and sensitivity of the Touch Pro touchscreen was pretty terrible. I hear that the Touch Pro 2 has one of the better resistive screens, so I'm looking forward to trying it.

I like multi-touch, but I only use multi-touch for 2 things, games and pinch-to-zoom. Touch Pro 2 has a zoom bar and a hardware keyboard, so that is irrelevant.

You will notice I always go back to the Touch Pro. That is because it was the only experience I was happy with. I always wanted the Touch Pro 2 though I could never afford it and when I could there were "better" devices available at the same price.

I would love to try the HD2 (I could deal with capacitive touch to get a snapdragon), but I'm on Sprint.

To be honest as Windows Mobile users there is just one thing we need as a community to keep these phones alive.

A FAST AND LIGHTWEIGHT WEBKIT-BASED BROWSER WITH HTML5 SUPPORT!

If we can get a team working on that, we will be good for years.

Eventually all our browsers will become incompatible with new websites and we will have to rely on broken versions of the web.

Which is why we need devs behind this sooner than later.

To be honest, I would do this myself, but I only know some basic Java (the most advanced thing I have written was a very basic text editor) and that is not going to help us at all.