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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Talon Pro:
^^^ You said pretty much everything that i would have said if i had taken the time to spell it all out.

Save for a 3 week stint with a Moment ive been WinMo since the Touch Pro came out, and a Sprint customer for over 11.5 years. I too love resistive over capacitive and love my stylus.

If you like the Touch Pro interface and demeanor, you wont like the TP2. It runs with less RAM due to a larger ROM and more options running, the screen while larger has an extremely odd 480*800 screen, the 'black' in the stock tsk isnt black but more grey and colors just dont snap like they do on the TP, theres no D-pad but the phone KB at least has arrows to navigate around inside certain menus. In order to get the classic Start menu back you need to do some fairly serious registry tweaking, theres no programs tab and the cabs floating around never seem to work on a stock ROM. Changing the slider is 'easy' as are moving the tabs, but i love my white/neon color of the TP and all you can do it get a lame version.

I also found CIQ on the stock 6.1 ROM just the other night. Im sure its been there the whole time but no one bothered with it cause it seems to act ONLY as a metric tool to give info to the carrier like they say, not how it works now with android. You can turn it off with a simple reg change though.

That said, you might like it since its something new to experience.

And good luck on finding anyone who still wants to mess with WinMo cause mainly, theres no money in it, and even M$ dropped it like a hot rock and even the Bing app no longer works. Sad to say.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SNYPE2K9:
Yeah, I know us remaining WinMo users are pretty much on our own. If I even knew anything about any language other than Java/how to port something from one platform to another, then I would try to port a basic webkit browser over. Though that is way beyond my abilities. Maybe this summer I can find someone willing to teach me what I need to learn. Or maybe if someone is interested they can link me to some literature.

EDIT: I'm actually pretty used to WVGA on other devices at this point. In fact, the Samsung Epic 4G I'm coming from was a WVGA phone. A lot of the late apps for WinMo moved to WVGA, especially the games. I'm looking forward to trying the stuff that didn't work well on VGA. I'm not too worried about the phone at stock, since I'm sure to be trying all sorts of roms. As long as the touchscreen is better than the Touch Pro, I'm sure I will like it. The 3.5mm jack is also going to come in handy...

EDIT2: Looks like Zetakey may potentially be a decent option in the future.

http://www.zetakey.com/index.php
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Talon Pro:
Yea the jack is nice, but i love the TP screen, not so much the TP2 screen for 'touchness'.

Looks nice, dont you use Opera Mobile?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SNYPE2K9:
i do for now but it is only a matter of time before it is outdated and pages stop rendering properly. it's not like they support winmo anymore. which means to use these devices into the future we will eventually need a new browser.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
Maybe. Opera Mobile 10 is the stuff though. My first experience with it was back on the Diamond, which actually came with OM 9 in its (mediocre) stock ROM. I tried it and hated it as much as Pocket IE, so since PIE had scrollbars, I continued using that. After I finally finished building my custom ROM for the Diamond, I got to thinking about the browser more and thought I'd give Opera Mobile one more chance. To this day, I am glad I made that decision, and it was with OM 10 that I realized it would always be the king of Mobile browsers - Opera Mobile 10 fixed everything that mad v9 such a pile of crap. Even today on Android, it's still a good browser that I use daily on my Epic. There will always be a few WinMo specific features about it that I'll always miss, but for the most part, it's still good. Now if we can just get rid of this HTML5 garbage that is making the internet an unusable mess, we'll be good to go ;-).

Windows Mobile for the win. With that crap MS pulled, I don't think I'll pay for another one of their products again.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
What do you mean with that last sentence? Them ditching wm in favour of WP?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SNYPE2K9:
lol i know right? then we would never have to leave winmo.

anyway, i've been testing zetakey. it's a little slow and pretty glitchy. rotation doesn't work yet and the gui isn't made to handle landscape even if you start in landscape mode. pages render well and it scores well on the html5 test. it says it supports mp4 and h.264 video, but then it crashes on youtube when i try to use it. there aren't too many options available either. so in it's current condition, zetakey is worthless. that being said, it is the only browser i know of that is still actively being worked on. basically there are glimpses of potential, but it still has a long way to go.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] RaZzor_Shine:
WM is too good, easy to use and user frendly n.n
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SNYPE2K9:
Okay, so I've decided to start working on this. However, considering I'm barely proficient enough in Java to write a notepad, this is going to be a long process.

1) I need to learn how to write C# code, which shouldn't be too hard as the syntax isn't that different from Java at first glance.

2) I need to learn the .Net Compact Framework 3.5, which APIs are available and create a workflow for compiling programs for Windows Mobile.

3) I need to learn how to write a browser/implement HTML5 functionality.

This will all have to occur before I can even get to work on the browser because to be honest, writing a browser without knowing how to write C# code first or even how to implement the features we need is just foolish.

I am hesitant to do this before I know what I'm getting into, but I am going to put up a donations link. Having no job, I do have the time to work on this, but I also have a girlfriend that isn't too happy about me not having a job, so....
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
HTML5 EPIC FAIL Reply

I can't even use some Google websites without considerable lag - and that's on a modest laptop.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SNYPE2K9:
yeah, that is really sad.

i think we'd be better off just using java for EVERY web app.

compared to the processor cost of html5 and flash as well as easy of development, java is much superior.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
May be. I don't think I've seen Java embedded on a webpage lately, so i can't comment on that, but it is worth mentioning that even Flash is far ahead of HTML5 in terms of functionality and resources (it doesn't make the worls very l a g g y ). It's beyond me how they don't understand that. I'd be curious to see how maybe an eight core gaming computer with the latest hardware would handle those sites.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SGH-i200:
Flash vs HTML5

I've not read the whole thread - but why you are saying that Flash needs not as much resources as HTML5? Flash seams a lot more bulky to me in general. Do you talk about usage on a WM device?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] whatyaar:
nice one..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
Thanks.

I'm actually talking in general. It doesn't matter what you're using (phone, computer, or epic gaming rig) - HTML5 sucks.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JC0406:
I don't have a wm device but I've tried using a few before. Basically its because of its simplicity and sleekness. I don't think integration with Windows is an advantage in any way.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kainppc6700:
DIFFICULTY Reply

Interesting. If integration with Windows isn't an advantage, then wouldn't it be more difficult to sync? I sure wish I could just hit "sync" on my Android and have everything sync up just normally the way it used to be.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
Say what? Integration not an advantage? Better hope the Apple fanboys don't read this, their heads might explode. Integration is THE biggest advantage any mobile OS can have.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Guitarman:
I'm still using a Windows Mobile 5 device (HTC Apache) for a couple reasons. Even though the device was primarily designed to be utilized as a cellphone, I use it for a souped up PDA experience. I have access to the application called Style Tap which emulates the PalmOS. I haven't found any Palm emus for Android but also haven't fully searched either. WM also runs the Wunder Radio app that allows you to listen to public safety agencies and regular FM (88-108) frequencies. I'm well aware of all the newer apps that run on Android which perform the same task, but I prefer it with WM because the device is considerably smaller than my Android tablet. Maybe someday I'll flash a WM 6.1 or 6.5 rom to it but for now it's alright

"when you hit the walls of sanity, you have no-where to go......."
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 2 Bunny:
RADIO RADIO Reply

My advice would be to stay with it. I "upgraded" from my Diamond to the Epic and still have no way to listen to the radio most of the time. The internal FM radio is disabled by the crappy new firmwares (Android chefs have found no way to repair this either) and data is so slow most of the time that internet radio is just a dream for most people.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
I'm enjoying my WM6.1 device even more this morning in light of yesterday's events involving Windows Phone. My gut told me to keep my WinMo phone because WP didn't have all the functionality of WinMo and I didn't think it would. Score one for the gut! I'll wait and see the final specs for WP8 before I park the Treo Pro. Reading the WP7 forums I see more disappointment than a cancelled Justin Bieber concert.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 2 Bunny:
MONOPOLY Reply

LOL! That's the truth.

The scary thing is that outside of Windows Mobile 6, Android is the only truly smart and customizable OS left. With how little marketshare WM6 has, this is basically a monopoly.

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Blåburk:
Using the 6.5.3 on a SE M1i Aspen.

The Aspen i used only for the fun of it. Having a Desire HD as a main.

The M1i Aspen came with the SPB shell as pre-installed, but the small 2.4" it was just cluttered.

Using now Elecnte launcher on the default WM today screen.

The Aspen is a terrible smartphone, but terrific compared to feature phones.

Still the WM gives quite lot of computer functions in ones pocket.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
Everybody rags on WM for lagging, freezing and battery pulls, but the short time I had a Droid X was no different. A Droid Pro I used for a considerable amount of time was atrocious for hanging up and looping (tried different ROMs, same sh!t). There's a reason there are so many task managers in the marketplace.

Ever since I found an old Redfly in a box with an old camcorder (VHS-C no less) I've re-discovered just how wonderful WM is. Now it's a matter of finding the perfect phone to go with it. I've tried many of the options listed as working from Celio's website and right now the Epix with 6.1 is the best combination. I'm waiting on an LG Fathom I got on the cheap from eBay because I wanted to try something with a 1 gig processor and native 480x800 resolution to see how it'll work. I use Excel quite a bit and it is almost like a desktop experience, who knew? I'm eagerly awaiting the ARM Surface tablets to see what it's like, but I'm hooked on the Redfly. No 2nd machine to keep synced with data, 8 hour battery and best of all, client-initiated connection with Bluetooth. Phone stays in the holster.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] SferaDev:
Winmo Devices Developing

I actually Use to winmo devices and one android and in one of those winmo devices i have installed Gingerbread.

A hobbyist never leave their old hardware out there. :laugh::laugh:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] .dredd.:
I used a ZTE Blade and a Moto Defy in last 1 year and I found that Android is a pretty sh*tty OS compared to the hype around it... lags, battery eating, internet eating, mysterious cpu overloads and so on...

Due to financial reasons I had to return to use my old Touch 3G (Jade) and I can tell you that a good light WM 6.5 rom on that old device is pretty nice to use for common phone purposes... I earn better battery life than never on my 2 android phones.

I don't tell that I would not try a top category droid if I could but now I can live with WM. It is a pity that WM development had been stopped.

... and I hate the kindergarten-style winpho tiles :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
After reading some of these posts I can't help but notice that Windows Mobile is like that sweet, homey girlfriend you always go back to. Yeah, the hot blonde (iOS) was fun but that was it. The flaming red-head (Android) was a scream but was too high maintenance. The homey brunette (WM) could carry a conversation, cook, clean and nurse a hangover. When you came back to her, she was so appreciative that she would give the ride of your life.

I'm sure we've all been there before fellas so let's not all act as if I'm crazy. :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] c_shekhar:
excelently described..

But, I am enjoying red-head at present..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Cookie Ninja:
Aptly put. But I seem to be living in sin with a redhead and a brunette.

Sent from my HTC Incredible S
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 2 Bunny:
FANBOYS Reply

I think those task managers are the reason why things don't work out for them. They wreck everything. Even without, Android closes programs by itself, and that really pisses me off. I've tried everything to override this, and I simply can't figure it out. Nobody else on here has found much on that either.

How exactly does that RedFly work? It looks kinda cool from what I read in a brief internet search.

Amen to that. Don't say that around "Windows mobile 7" Fanboys though or they'll make a huge stink about it. :)

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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
I can't understand why Engadget, Gizmodo and the rest gave this thing such a bad rap. Redfly is my number 1 tool. It is not a tablet or netbook, it doesn't have an OS, memory or anything like that. It is simply a dumb terminal that takes your phone's "screen" and makes it bigger and lets you use a full keyboard. When you connect it to a WinMo phone, the phone's screen goes dark and the Redfly takes over. You navigate as if you're on your phone but it's obviously more comfortable than tiny buttons and tiny screens. You can connect via USB or Bluetooth and like Windows desktop you can view on the LCD screen or mirror with a full size monitor. The Redfly has a VGS port as well. You can even plug in a wireless mouse and it really gets fun. I personally use Bluetooth because once the two devices are paired, you can leave your phone in its holster and you initiate the connection from the Redfly. I think it's awesome since you don't have to sync two separate devices and the battery life is crazy. If you're familiar with the Blackberry Playbook, it's the same theory. The Playbook is useless as far as PIM without the host phone. There are two different models, The C8 only works with WM6 or 6.1 while the C8N supports 6.5. I prefer 6.1 anyway because I find it easier to use the drop-down menus from the start button. Anyway, hope this helps.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] RumoredNow:
I miss it... I passed on my Pocket PC running WM 2003.

Got my eye on a Treo Pro on eBay and may try and snipe it at the last minute. WM 6.1 would be an upgrade from my last user experience which was very good.

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@ fatclue... That redfly mobile dock looks awesome. Great Tip. :)

I see from their site: http://www.celiocorp.com/ that they have plugins for desktop and Android... Free download for Win PC and Android App is $1.99 now on sale for $0.99 USD.

I like the come-on on their site's main page for OEMs and Developers to help make "Any App to Any Display" a reality.

I would love to see Desktop and webOS 2.x phones going with this. It would really help crank up my Veer. :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Unregistered Fan:
RED FLY Reply

Lol at Gizmondo. Aren't a lot of those sites now just paid by people to give certain things high scores anyway? That's really cool though. I don't have a need for a midsized "tablet" device around the house; a phone for light surfing and searches and a laptop for everything else, but there are situations when one of those machines really could come in handy.

::U.R.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lukas1234567890:
I am still using my SE Xperia X1 (first xperia and the best) with WM 6.5, because wm user interface is very close to desktop Windows. Android, iOS and even WP7 is like a system for kids compared to WM, where is so many settings and configurations, that you always can find something new:laugh:

I love WM and I will use it till it will be possible:cowboy:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Shredder11:
I still use WM2003 on my Mitac Mio 168 and WM5 and WM6.1 on my two Dell Axim x51v. Fantastic operating systems and I much prefer them to the modern ones; the WM ones have given me no trouble or headaches at all since I began using them in 2005.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] darkoravenko:
I use it on HTC HD2 because of the big screen and Garmin Mobile XT. I have slapped on MetroHome65 W8 style. In short I gave my brunette a face lift :) I know there is a Garmin app for WP7 but it does not work "off line" and only covers US and Canada
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xheretic:
I'm still using Samsung Omnia 2 16GB version and HTC Kaiser.

HTC Kaiser is my wifi hotspot - with app "WMWifiRouter"

Omnia2 is my primary device...but with huge modification like custom ultra-lite rom, SPB Mobileshell with custom skin, dualboot to Android and spare high capacity battery.

What I miss...? Nothing!

I've got userfriendly interface, camera with good picture, long battery life, lot of memory (16GB+32GB microSDHC class10), full conectivity, TV-out, DLNA, flashlight(torch), slick profile, big screen(AMOLED 3,7" is quite for me), perfect Brodit car holder and bike holder and lot of applications are still in development by fans like me.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lohtse:
yep still using WM..

Have a Kaiser,Rapheal and PDA-N

Kaiser is used more as a PDA/SATNAV but Rapheal is my work phone.. PDA-N i a spare satnav when require.

battery life is far better on wm than Android(have tabs and android phones)

and there are quite a few apps that don't exist on droid.. plus the damn stability on WM, droid is always flaky regardless of the rom and device...

long live WinMo...

@xheretic what apps have you dev'ed?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] elektrik2001:
Yup, I use good old WinMo still too! I had a TP, then a TP2, then got my EVO 3d (Android) and inherited a work DUMBPHONE that had data/text plans but couldn't be used in a way that I prefer, so I bought me a used LG Fantom (1 Ghz!!!) and activated it on my non-verizon work network.

I actually love this phone even more than my old TP2...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
There must be a hundred reasons why people still use WinMo. In my case, I need a portable office. With my trusty iPaq 910c, I can print to my portable printer via bluetooth or infrared. I can tether my ThinkPad via BT PAN to send & receive emails, transfer files at the office with native network drive mapping and the list goes on. I had a brief "affair" with Windows Phone but I couldn't even attach a pdf to an email so that courtship ended quickly. Android's a joke and iOS is about as useless as tits on a bull. I can't wait to see what becomes of Open WebOS.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dazza9075:
absoluelty agree with you on wm, but WP is a different device, the clue is in the name, WM was a pocket PC, as it used to be called, windows phone concentrated on being a phone, what I fin very disappointing is that the dropped WM altogether, this is a huge mistake, two OSs for Two different uses, to make a single device that covers both as well as they are individually would be near on impossible, as the moment you offer power user modes to a device you get al sorts of idiots pissing about making service center issues, which is exactly the reason phone wrks so well as a phone, it has no issues, if only people would stop comparing it to a pocket PC like device, it might just start gaining traction on the markets
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
It's amazing that two people can agree on anything on these boards but you're right, WP7 was a bad decision by MS to appease the masses who only cared about Facebook and Angry Birds. I see no reason why they couldn't keep the functionality of WM and add the outstanding UI they created for WP7. There's a reason why the HD2 is still so popular. WM on a capacitive screen with a speedy CPU was, and is, phenomenal. Of course, I can't live without Notes so I'll keep my stylus and free-hand writing until something better comes along. Peace from across the pond!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jonny68:
This has to rank as one of the most bizarre and ridiculous posts in the history of XDA developers :confused:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Shredder11:
I agree!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
And there are a few to choose from, especially on the Windows Phone 7 side.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] herita:
I think the reason that WM is still the choice is that many pro devices like Symbol or Motorola code gun are still using WM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] coozoo:
Fast, Light, Simple and Functional awesome
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatclue:
I had never really thought about it until recently that I went to a data-limited plan. WinMo doesn't use nearly as much data as Android, iOS or webOS (the worst). Every mobile OS these days is constantly running background progs that use data. WinMo is on-demand except for Exchange email.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BillBunyip:
WiFi modem (how is this not an obvious need in a mobile phone?)

iGO with offline maps (any trip out of town in Queensland, Aust is likely to have no or intermittent mobile coverage)

Outlook sync

Offline data

Physical keyboard

User customisation (I like it my way)

When these are available in a new OS I will consider it, until then WinMo 6.5.x with NRGZ ROM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hastur:
Although I'm surrounded by apples nowadays and I love it, I still keep my HD2 and my XV51 running WM 6.5 for several reasons:

- keeping some of my data offline and private

- writing my own apps while being too lazy to learn cocoa (or java)

- controlling what's running on my device

- not willing to de-google or un-apple my device just to prevent a simple text-editor from stalking me

- not being on facebook or google+, I've got a real life and real friends who can always call me
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xandros9:
I actually came from webOS, and previously PalmOS.

I personally prefer the ways of older OSes, and I find Windows Mobile mostly likeable. Unique these days too.