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[Thunderbolt General] altimax98:
I have been back and forth all the time. I am a D1 guy so before my tbolt, AOSP was the only real offering. (Not enough ram for miui) I can say I honestly love them both. AOSP has the snappiness that I love but on the tbolt the cm7 had horrible data issues on my phone. So full AOSP is a no go for me. So I looked for some alternatives.

Here's what ive found the best for me: I'm now running Skyrider build for the tbolt and its Tue best. Solid sense 2.1 at heart baked in with some 3.0 goodness. Honestly the only thing its missing is the 3.0 email app. But I froze almost all of sense. I leave the sense apps running, dialer,mms,news,email,camera.... Because honestly they are far superior to anything anyone has built. But rosie and all its ram whoring is gone. I usually have 250+ MB ram free and its snappy as hell even sitting at 1ghz. I use go launcher and widget Locker and then round out the old AOSP feel with the heart of sense and all its goodparts. A beautiful blend id say...

But for AOSP here's what I ran:

Go dialer is the closest cousin to sense dialer

Go sms is sweet, but I like stock. Same with email.

Greader for all my feed goodness

I can really say though that when you find a solid smooth sense Rom that really kicks ass, stick with it. Mod what you want and enjoy the sense goodies. Rosie is the death to all ram and the sense lock screen is pretty but not useful for me.
[Thunderbolt General] Mustang302LX:
I don't get the whole Sense ROM thing. They are all the same with different themes. I already read people say how they are fast and stable or whatever but I've tried the majority of them and they are Sense with different themes. I'll take the lighter smoother AOSP ROMs any day over any manufacturer based ROM.
[Thunderbolt General] voxigenboy:
as long as you dont get freaked out about a high cell standby, then AOSP is the way to go.

I just got an extended battery today(2750mAh htc) and tested it on 2 ROMs:

Sense - Das BAMF 4.9

AOSP - CM7 1.5.2

both fimes I had battery at 100% and tried playing Starship Troopers.

on Das BAMF, when the movie was over the battery was at 73%

on CM7, it was at 81%

also, I had CM7 over,locked to 1.4GHz and Das BAMF was left stock.

not to mention that CM7 was also much smoother/more responsive.
[Thunderbolt General] Omaillard:
That about somes it up for me as well...
[Thunderbolt General] Mustang302LX:
Very well said and couldn't agree more. AOSP FTW!!!

Sent from my Thunderbolt running CyanogenMod 7 using the Tapatalk app.
[Thunderbolt General] cigar3tte:
I prefer AOSP, but I'm currently using GingerBean because AOSP support for the Thunderbolt isn't good enough yet. Once AOSP supports data location for the TB, I'm going back to AOSP.

Another issue was the call volume being too low, but that seems to have been fixed (haven't tested, not going back until data location is fixed).
[Thunderbolt General] voxigenboy:
i will say this.... regardless of what AOSP ROM i was using, whenever i tried to use Skype(my primary dailer), i could hear everyone just fine(a tad low though) but most of the time people couldn't hear me.. they'd keep going "hello?".. & i would go "hello!" back.. until they hung up.

i am now using CM7 1.5.2 and finally they can hear me just fine now.
[Thunderbolt General] EchoX860:
I'm a Sense Guy at heart as well. I tried a few AOSP Roms and decided to stick with INFUS3TH3ORY as my Main ROM. I've been looking and I'm not even sure if it's been Updated past 1.1 yet. Regardless, Sense UI is the reason I went with an HTC Phone instead of a Samsung or Motorola phone
[Thunderbolt General] iviustang50h:
I am a huge fan of how smooth and easy AOSP is, but have you guys noticed your LTE speeds literally being cut in half while running on AOSP? I've tried OMGB, Liquid TB and CM7 and all three roms reduce LTE speeds by half or more. I've also tried three different radios. I find this odd, and assume it has something to do with the source code the ROMs are built on (from Google).
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
I get 400mb free on an aosp rom and consistently sit at 300mb without closing apps. Sense is just too much of a hog.

Have you tried the speakeasy speed test? Aosp roms and the speedtest app do not play nice together. You can also download a big file and do the math. I'm getting 18 down and 5 up right now on an aosp rom.

As far as benefits/negatives

Sense:

1. pretty ui

2. everything works since thunderbolt was built for sense

3. Most everything you need is well integrated

4. Memory and battery hog

5. Sense is not customizable enough. Why do I need 7 homescreens without option to decrease? Rosie is still running even if you add other launchers.

Aosp Roms:

1. More customizations, choice of launcher

2. Can add apps to replace pretty much everything sense does, at a fraction of the memory and cpu usage

3. Much faster and smoother

4. 80mb roms vs 300+mb roms, need I say more

5. GPS and data still aren't perfect, but getting closer

6. No nfl mobile....

7. Usually better battery life

I think overall its a preference, but aosp is really growing on me.
[Thunderbolt General] defTwitch:
In a few months when traveling out of market on a weekend that will be a deal breaker...
[Thunderbolt General] trebb:
Your view is completely off base. Everyone on AOSP doesn't care how their phone looks or works?

I guarantee you if you showed a Sense phone and my phone to 5 people, the majority would say mine looks better. AOSP is all about customization.

How does Sense tie stuff together moreso than AOSP? By duplicating things that apps arleady do? There's a Facebook app and a Twitter app, I don't need Sense to do the same things when the stock apps are better.
[Thunderbolt General] Atst44:
AOSP wins...

I used to have a Droid (original). I loved the Vanilla, Even CM was good way back when.

Sense was fun for about an hour.

Honestly I would have thrown this phone away if not for OMGB.

CM7 is too piece-mill and takes too much effort to get a real clean AOSP install with a stock launcher and dialer.

Sense is just too intrusive.

Conclusion:

Plain-old-Android with apps to make it better will always be the best solution for me.
[Thunderbolt General] ByteSizeSln:
Experimenting ....

New to AOSP, but dam(n) it's fast (compared to Sense)! There are many threads for Sense replacements, one I found is in Thunderboltforums (under Stock Replacements).

Loving Pur3AO5P 1.2.2 - awesome battery life even with stock batt.

PS - remove the spaces in the link above :)
[Thunderbolt General] ray5780:
AOSP is FAR beyond that of sense. After using sense for about 2 months i thought nothing was better, then i moved to cm7 which was an eye opening moment for me. It basically gives me a skeleton and lets me bulk it up as i please.

I have everything sense gave me but lighter, leaner, and faster.

My thunderbolt consists of

CM7

Dream Kernal

Go Launcher EX

Touchpal Dialer

Handcent SMS

Seesmic

Feedly

I wouldn't go back to sense for ANYTHING
[Thunderbolt General] ANDR0lD:
when I first got the TB I always used DAS Bamf, chingys stuff, you know..sense and it was awesome however.... when I first rooted my D1 i flashed cyanogen right off the bat...didn't know what it was didn't understand aosp or anything...but I loved it and after hearing that slayher got a TB I was super stoked to get that cm7 love:)

I think aosp is defintletly better than sense in the aspect of performance and battery life however sense definitely has the eye candy and better feel to it ... all depends on what ya like:)

sent from a 1.5ghz-Cyanogen 'Bolt

[ROM]Cyanogenmod 7 RC 1.5.2

[Kernel] AOSP BFS Drod .9

Waiting for the Vigor...
[Thunderbolt General] andr0id23:
Awesome, I didn't realize. Wasn't bothering me too much, but I did miss the quick lookout feature a little bit. I should have tried this, but anyway, glad to know about it now. Thanks.
[Thunderbolt General] iviustang50h:
No one has experienced this?
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
did you try the speakeasy speedtest to verify? speedtest app isn't always accurate on aosp roms.

http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
[Thunderbolt General] trebb:
Like the guy above me said, the speedtest app in the market does not report it correctly. Go to speekeasy.net and you'll get the speeds you should be getting. Regardless, it shouldn't be the numbers that matter...as long as your pages are still loading fast and things are downloasing quickly.
[Thunderbolt General] pdxphreek:
I don't get all this talk about the stupid clock widgets, you guys realize it tells you the time in the upper right hand corner of your screen, right? :confused:

AOSP all the way, I can't stand the way Sense changes all the menus. I like some of the widgets, but Launcher Pro gives me all those, lets me change the desktop transitions w/o me having to guess where to find options.
[Thunderbolt General] trol1374:
For me the stock built ROM's (froyo and GB) bluetooth didn't like my car's system. I tried most of them and never did get the bluetooth working correctly. Then went to an AOSP rom and the bluetooth worked great and did what HTC said it wouldn't do by loading up my contact list.
[Thunderbolt General] iviustang50h:
Well, it's still way better than 3G, but its 4 times slower than LTE used to be...

Yes, I did use the actual website and not the app; like you said, the app isn't very accurate. I am barely hitting 5 down and 5 up in areas where I used to easily hit 20 down and 5 up. My downloads are effected more than uploads. A couple of my buddies experienced the same thing, but it is only with AOSP ROMs, so I thought I'd see if any of you also have this issue. Other than taking a hit to LTE speeds, AOSP dominates Sense. :)
[Thunderbolt General] pdxphreek:
Totally, the improvement to battery life alone makes it full of win.
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
I got 23 down and 5 up this afternoon myself on droidtheory's aosp build
[Thunderbolt General] CanesDrew:
If you don't like Sense why did you buy a Thunderbolt?

Sent from Synergized Thunderbolt via the XDA Premium App
[Thunderbolt General] trebb:
Because you can easily not use Sense and the hardware is solid.

I got 18 down and 4 up today on AOSP. The ROM doesn't decrease the speeds one bit - something else is up.
[Thunderbolt General] lespaul0143:
I love sense. Everything about it. The widgets mostly. The only thing I wish sense had was a customizable dock at the bottom like ADW our Launcher Pro. If that, somehow, gets baked in... That would make my dreams come true.
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
umm, over 300mb vs 80mb for my current ROM. Sense is a big fat pig, a pretty pig, but a pig none the less.

Started stripping sense out on my TP2, continued on my HD2, and now on my TBolt. Just too much of it I don't use regularly.
[Thunderbolt General] canistotaweb:
You mean besides the fact that at the time it was Verizon's only 4G phone?
[Thunderbolt General] iviustang50h:
Which radio are you using?

Same question. :)

I am using CM7 1.5.2 and the "official OTA radio."
[Thunderbolt General] DroidTh3ory:
I get 18-20 down and 3-5 up all day. MR3 Radio, A05PTH3ORY.

Same as always.
[Thunderbolt General] iviustang50h:
I've been meaning to try your rom, and now that you've updated it I'll give it a whirl. Well, once the broken link is fixed. Thanks for the info; I'll try the MR3 radio.
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
704 leaked radio (mr3)

same as this guy. He seems trustworthy... :D

there are about 5 mirrors going on in that thread right now.
[Thunderbolt General] iviustang50h:
I found them - thanks. I am downloading it now!
[Thunderbolt General] mAlfunkti0n:
Sense indeed is a pig, a big fat hairy pig. I really wish these manufacturers would give the option to allow users to EASILY remove their bloat. I just don't see what they gain by forcing people to use their UI.
[Thunderbolt General] brizey:
So they don't have to support 500 UI combinations. Help desk would be a nightmare. This site and about five others like it have thousands and thousands of what are essentially support posts for all the various ROM combinations. Support here is free--Verizon would actually have to pay people to do this support. So they have one consistent UI.

Android was designed from the get go to support overlays like Sense and Touchwiz. I like AOPS ROMs, but I don't really believe that Sense "breaks" Android. It is just not my cup of tea. There many more users of the Thunderbolt that do not get on these forums and/or root. For these users, Sense adds some cool, flashy, and yes, useful features to the phone. Yes, you can duplicate or exceed these features with customization of a sense ROM, but that is more effort than the typical user wants or is capable of. And there is nothing wrong with that. We are the crazy ones that obsess to much over our phone, lol.
[Thunderbolt General] EchoX860:
I agree with all of this. Except that I'm probably a Sense Fanboy and see nothing wrong with it, then again I'm probably blinded by it's awesomeness Eye Candy after coming from a little feature phone
[Thunderbolt General] Omaillard:
This dude makes the best ROMS! (IMHO) Had the best experience with sence and now stuck on his asop ROM. Its all about that butta baby!! LOL
[Thunderbolt General] Stumpsalot:
Just updated to mr3 and had a nice increase in speed :-D. I'm getting on average 19-22 down and around 5-8 up. AOSP CM7
[Thunderbolt General] EchoX860:
Where can I get the MR3 Radio from? I've looked on here and can't find it
[Thunderbolt General] iviustang50h:
I too am now getting great speeds after flashing the 704 radio. Thanks for the tip guys.
[Thunderbolt General] alucard_6956@hotmail.com:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned and what keeps me on a Sense Rom (just with the thunderbolt, for the incredible CM7 all the way!) is the stock camera versus the sense camera.

I don't know if it's just me or what, but I can't get anywhere as smooth a picture with the stock camera as with the sense camera.

This is important specially when taking pictures of your little ones, since they're always moving.

So with stock camera the result is somewhat like the incredible, usually blurry unless you got very good light and little movement.

With the sense camera even if the object is moving and at lower light the result is usually a very good and clear picture, very little ghosting etc.

So for me this is the deciding factor in preferring sense over AOSP. Currently still using InjecTheory rom (whichever the last one was, I wish they still kept updating that one, was a very nice mix between stock and sense).
[Thunderbolt General] fixxxer2008:
sense roms run smoother than aosp. but ive notcied sense roms have less free ram available and more random reboots.
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
you can dig around on other sites or just dig around the link in my siggy.
[Thunderbolt General] keith.mcintyre26:
I use CM7 for this... http://m.facebook.com/hstern03?_rdr..._ft_time_ft=1313289108&_ft_mf_objid=620661182
[Thunderbolt General] Grnlantern79:
AOSP for me

I to spent alot of time with Sense with the Droid Incredible and I hated my experence with it, to explain my phone updated to 2.2 from 2.1 and my phone would reboot and clear all my data (this happened on the first phone and 4 replacement phones. Once I got the Thunderbolt again I started having nothing but issues with the Verizon updates they pushed have pushed me to another system and to rooting. Now I have not tried a rooted and devolped version of Sense yet, which I might in the future but I want it to comes out the the Beta stages, I would def try Chingy's Gingeritis sometime in the future. But right now I am completely happy with how bugless, fast, long battery, my phone is on A5OPTH3ORY 1.3.1 with Radio .627 GREAT GREAT ROM. I dont see me switching for quite some time.
[Thunderbolt General] msvictoria75:
AOSP Camera updates

Love ASOP, but the camera/video needs updating. Example I would love to see video have a slidebar for zooming.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wuzzi:
Have fat32 and ext3 partitions on my SD card, both 4 GB in size. Want to resize them without losing data or having to reinstall anything, using Windows tools only (no Linux!).

If I

1. backup the ext3 partition to my PC hard drive using HDClone,

2. delete existing ext3 partition with MiniTool Partition Wizard,

3. enlarge existing fat32 partition into unallocated space with Partition Wizard,

4. create a new ext3 partition of desired size in the rest of unallocated space with

Partition Wizard,

5. restore the ext3 from backup to the new ext3 partition,

will that work?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mally2:
hmmm, you have to try ans tell us,

afaik ,, there is no way without backing up data and reformatting .. atleast on WIN
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mutil:
i did a few times it works. but it may be a good idea to flash mgldr after you put sd into phone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Marvlesz:
They recommend backing up your data before resizing, it (may) corrupt the stored data :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] j4n87:
How would i do that:

-backup sd card files on pc.

-make a backup with cwm (also backups sd ext..)

-boot to recovery->advanced->partition sd card: choose your size.

-restore you files from pc to sd

-boot to cwm and restore backup.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wuzzi:
Well, I performed the routine on a different sd card now. Created a small ext3 and restored my backups to the appropiate partitions. Said "no" when HDClone asked to "change partition sizes for best compatibility". Seems to have worked beautifully, everythings runs just like before.

Thanks everybody!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] weslyr:
I have the same desire: i want to resize my ext partition without losing data.

Many threads have suggested the following:

- backup ext partition (for example though clockwork or in Linux)

- shrink fat partition, delete ext and create new larger ext

- restore backup

I'm sure this routine will work, but it seems rather inefficient.

Therefore my question is

: can't i use Minitool Partition Wizard to shrink the fat partition and then enlarge the ext partition all through resizing (and all while the data)?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] saeid63t:
Can use minitool partition wizard home edition it's free for personal use you can create, resize ,delete any kind of partitions included ext3 and ext4

*Backup your data first
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] weslyr:
saeid63t, i tried resizing with minitool PW.

While it can successfully resize fat32 partitions (and retain data) it cannot resize or merge ext3 partitions.

Fortunately Gparted can. I downloaded and burned the Gparted bootable live cd. Once booted I resized the ext3 partition while retaining all data of the ext3 partition.

The end result: i enlarger my ext-partition in 10 minutes without restoring or reinstalling any data from recovery and without formating or recreating partitions from scratch again. Gparted all the way for more efficiency!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] floyd372:
Write data to ext3

How did you restore data(write data) to new ext3 partition ??:confused:

please help....:(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cytherian:
I couldn't get Mini-Partition or EaseUS to resize the EXT3 partition. I could easily create a larger one, but copying will put the EXT3 partition only into unallocated space, not integrate into an existing EXT3 partition. I even tried reducing the FAT32 partition on my smaller SD card to make room to resize the existing EXT3 partition and the same problem happened.

Does anyone know how to resize an EXT3 partition? You'd think this would be more widely asked about or addressed, given how people will move from smaller to larger SD cards. Yet... once you've got a 2Gb EXT3 partition, you never need to increase it (at least given the current Android ROM's). So, I just moved all of my apps back to the phone, installed the new SD card, then moved them back manually. Thankfully I'm just starting out and didn't have more than a dozen apps to move. ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] leafwarbler:
It seems we can use minitool pw to manage sd card partition directly, like resize partition, delete partition, extend partition and copy partititon.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Limper:
what does business center widget do??

And do some one have a picture of it?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Limper:
Hmmmf.... uninstall!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] raj.amalw:
Hi guys, I have found a application which would be helpful for many others who may run out of memory in internal sd card. This is a windows application that will take your Gameloft HD .apk files and patch them so that the downloaded game data will be stored and read from your external SD on your Galaxy SL.

It changes the path within the game from /sdcard/gameloft/games/ to /sdcard/external_sd/Gl/ so all you need to do is either download the game data again or move it into the Gl folder on your external SD card.

Download link

Mediafire

Megaupload

CREDITS to orginal poster bigdyl69
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ggclanlord:
Wooooohoooooo. Awesomeeeeee man!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tnx a ton! (wil click d button wen i.cum ol frm.pc)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Sine.:
There is another method (by script) [HOWTO] to Gamers: dirty workaround to have Gameloft files on external_sd, by lunasea :

@OP: could you give the link to the original thread?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
Now i can finally play Asphalt 6
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] raj.amalw:
Orginal thread link
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] manrock111:
Ya know about this but I think it is a paid application? Coz I have saw similar application in market.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] raj.amalw:
This is a windows application. It is not android application
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] manrock111:
sorry i was on my mobile :p
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] xGiox:
wth this is crap i put same .apk and get random apk's out. i placed star front 2 in and got avatar first then gangstar miami.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ggclanlord:
So u mean to suggest tis app is a out-of-nowhere Gameloft Games apk generator?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] slyferx:
This only work on tthe i9003?

Enviado desde mi GT-I9000
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ggclanlord:
Its a Windows application. Give it a try. Should work on others...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] abhi_1906:
**** !!!! it still asks for the game data to be downloaded ...... Even the app from Market called GL to SD aint working for me ..... i actually followed each n every step still the games ask for the data to be downloaded .... any solution ????:mad:

---------- Post added at 10:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 AM ----------

Avatar and Brothers in Arms working .... but splinter cell & Hawx still aint working for me ....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] max_rockzz:
best way is..swap internal sd n external sd cards..;)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] tnslf2k:
Do not 'GL to SD' and 'patch apk' confusion.

'patch apk' puts gameloft data in external_sd/gl/

'GL to SD' puts gameloft data in external_sd/games/
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Awais cool:
Thanks

Thanks raj it really helped, usaved me bro from spending big money for new mobile, I was just going to sell GT I9003 but Im thankful to you.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] k0ski:
How to do that! A link to the info please.

Enviado desde mi GT-I9003 usando Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] AdrenalineX:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1151078
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jhunz12:
i9003

its not work for me, any solution?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] aneesh.techhive:
Whoa!! Thanks for this! I have been looking for this! Thanks a ton man!!!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] tariq_devil:
is root required in this.. can u tell me the procedure to use this software. i open the apk using it in my pc, just for some seconds the busy thing is shown, after that it vanishes, no prompts nothing.. can u guide me
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] raj.amalw:
No Rooting is required
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] tariq_devil:
i want the procedure for that windows application... can u plz tell me that