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[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iCracked:
well I believe that Apple will always have a huge chunk of market share, as they do in the PC market, although I think Honeycomb needs simpler, and less geeky advertisements for it to be accepted by the average consumer. When you are asked by someone what your joyously typing away on, do they ask if its the Asus EEE Pad Transformer? Or do they often ask "is that an iPad?". Even when you tell them its your Transformer they still have no clue what it is. They need to expand the exposure of these tablets if Honeycomb, or Ice Cream Sandwich is to be successful. Its the same thing as nobody says "do you want to get fast food?" nearly as often as "wanna get mcdonalds?". People don't go into walmart very often asking for an Asus Transformer, they do go in to get an iPad though.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ellingsoc:
Ipads have a huge head start first and second exeyone thinks as a ipad as a toy and the android tablets are not really as they need more time to catch up. I honeycomb is easy to use as I have friends and family pick it up and start using it right away they all think it's cooler than the Ipads and a few people I know to Ipads even are jealous with what this thing can do

Sent from my HTC Desire CDMA
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slateac:
The way I see it is that Honeycomb is just the first step on where Android is leading too. It is more like a 'beta' product.

I wouldnt be too worried about support, just like mobile it will soon grow through the time. Especially when Ice Cream Sandwich comes which will allegedly improve app compatibility between devices which should be easier for developers.

Honeycomb isnt treated as an OS on its own like that it will be forgotten and lose support, it is a specific build of Android that will be improving continuously. Things can only get better, not worse.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EP2008:
You must not be a gamer. The iPad has some console quality games that Android tablet users wish they had.

check out the upcoming game Warm Gun... Coming to pc and iOS.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] farr3ll:
Thanks everyone. Its hard not to recognise that this is a kickn product, cant wait for it to be better supported though. If I could just get order and chaos online working id be happy to wait for anything else. Well maybe modern combat also
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joe_dude:
That ain't a console quality game. That's an iPad quality game that also happens to be on the PC.

The iPad 2 is still only about the speed of a netbook. High-powered games like Deus Ex 3 isn't gonna be on the iPad anytime soon, unless it's a side scroller. :D

If you're serious about gaming, get a cheap AMD A6 or A8 laptop instead, for roughly the price of an iPad (or less). Load up Steam, and you have all the game genres at your fingertips. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bighulk666:
I had the iPad 1 and I currently have the iPad2 and TF. I really dislike the iOS operating system, since the 4.3.5 update, there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app. I've had the TF for only a day now, and I really do like it. I use my tablets mainly for internet, word processing, e-mail, etc. With the ipad i'd have to pay $20 for docs-to-go, and it's pathetic in its ability to really word process and transfer files to your computer. With the TF, Polaris is pre-installed and works really really well.

Yes, the cons of the TF are the market place. IT is very small, and you can browse through it within 10 seconds. Since there is a huge influx of Android based tablets, I can only see the market growing exponentially, soon.

TF FTW!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shaquiel Harris:
Shame on you for pirating apps.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EP2008:
+1
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fakeyfakerson:
complain about no apps on your tablet

talk about pirating them in the same post :rolleyes:
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] finalhit:
+1 against piracy. such activity would just prevent devs from developing apps.

to OP. the IOS didn't have tablet-ready apps when it first launched. had it been dismissed as a "dying animal" at that time would have prevented your the app-selection you're touting about now from being developed.

same goes for the andiod, or any other OSs.

btw: check out dungeon defenders to see what type of games the TF/honeycomb is capable of. still not convinced? get an ipad and be happy that way.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottmog:
Get yongzhs emulators. U don't need anymore games.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WoodburyMan:
I already have an iPhone4 so I ultimately have no use for a iPad or iPad2 since everything they can run I have on my phone. This is why I got my transformer. Different OS for different apps, and the keyboard dock makes it a perfect netbook replacement. Sadly though Honeycomb itself I believe is just a test bed. It's only a matter of months till ICS 4.0 is released and apps switch from being written mostly for 2.x to 4.x skipping the small tablet world of Honeycomb that lots of devs are ignoring. This is why I plan on selling the TF and getting the TF2 with the new quad core CPU once it comes out late this year.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottmog:
It really all depends on what u use it for. Netbook at home, netbook in class, some random browsing, has scriptures and hymns for church, plays n64 great with hdmi for the big screen. Its perfectly find for what I use it for... for now I guess. Who knows what'll come out later.

U say the jump from os 2 to 4. What about a jump from 3 to 5, or 6? I think it'll be a little while before android disappears.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bighulk666:
LOL! Hypocrites.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] checkbox111:
If you've come on here just to ask about how much fun Android is to use over boring IOS in day to day use then there's your answer.

If your such an avid gamer why buy either? you could buy both an xbox and a playstation for the same money as a transformer :confused:
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwilliamf:
Just a question:

where in this post, he stated pirating, piracy or the like?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wouwout:
You are the hypocrite. I have no problem paying a euro or two (or more) for apps in the market. I support developers.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wouwout:
Edit: deleted double post
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] farr3ll:
I own an xbox already.. whats the confusion? Some people like a variety of platforms on which to satisfy their interest.. call it gaming polygamy
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adiliyo:
right here is where i saw it

"...there is NO jailbreak, so you have to pay $10+ for a app..."

i had an ipad, but the transformer is more useful to me especially with the dock. writing out emails, browsing various websites, watching movies, multitasking between various things, etc all work better and faster for me on my TF than they did on my ipad. (i had an ipad1)

does the ipad have better games developed for it (right now) most definitely.

but personally, i find ios to be really limited and boring. while i find flash on my phone to be a useless thing, it is very nice to have it (in whatever current crappy state it's in) on my tablet.

while 3.x is essentially a beta os, pretty much everything google does is in a beta state, and while that's half the fun, it can also get really frustrating when simple things (browser typing lag to name one) don't work right.

but it's something one should expect when using/buying something that google produces. hopefully ICS is a far more polished product.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] housry23:
I was reading this thread and laughed when the OP said that when people see your Transformer do they ask if it is the Ipad. Just the other day the guy that came to upgrade my internet at my apartment(Time Warner would not let me just hook up the new modem), while we were waiting for them to activate the new modem on my account the guy saw my Transformer and said "Oh cool, is that an iPad?" I said no it's a Transformer with Android on it. He just looked at me like he had no clue. I let him play with it for a couple minutes and he then said, "How much is this? I'm getting one of these."

So this guy is supposed to be a technician and he didn't even know about Android. You would think he is into technology somewhat. He really had no idea what he was talking about. He didn't even know what 1080p was when I asked him about whether or not they broadcast in it yet.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lawliet:
One thing I don't like about the iPad is how similar the OS is to the iPhone. I think they could have done much better with the bigger screen real estate. iPhone style multi-tasking, really Apple?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oyeve:
Um, it is the same os. Apple neversaid it wasnt.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dictionary:
Gaaaah stupid tapatalk didn't meant to thank this lol. Anyway, this is stupid. You go to the theater for the experience. Last I checked, most of us don't have a screen that size, or speakers that scale. Maybe it's me though.

I agree about the window needing to go back to 24 hours, or at least a couple of hours. I don't agree with piracy period. I used to when i was broke, and with my iPhone. I support development now though. The vast majority of people will not buy a pirated app. Let's be honest. For every 10 that get a pirated app, maybe 2 will purchase later if they like it. Also, while I don't believe Xbox and ps3 games should be so much, you have to factor in the times have changed, and that you get enjoyment out of them. Even if i bought 50 games, if i really enjoy those games, who cares if the end cost = more than the console. Manufacturing costs have gone up. Materials are slightly more scarce. The cost of living is on the rise. Do I like it? Heck no. Does that mean I should steal gas, buy bootlegs, open boxes and take stuff for free? Times change sadly. I hate the way society is now, but complaining/stealing doesn't effect change. Do you have a car? If so, why? No mass transit? You'll save so much more money on mass transit, and save the earth a little too. But that car is probably nice, and convenient too huh, lol. You sound like a completely frugal, money pinching, money lover. Many more things in this world that are more valuable than money. Stop glorifying it.

This is why devs stop making good games. They feel they will be pirated, and say screw it. Trust me I know first hand.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dictionary:
Bingo. Lol.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bedoig:
If you want to see where Android gaming is going in the near future, check out previews for Shadowgun.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rpavich:
I've had good luck emailing devs of games/apps that were in the situation where it took longer than 15 minutes to download/evaluate/update and got my money back when I explained the situation.

Just a thought.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dark lord me:
Well i read his post as something i thought of when i got my transformer. If i had an ipad i would have to buy a lot of apps again while on android they apps are free in the market like angry birds and such
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bukithd:
Ice Cream Sandwich will completely erase all doubts about android software. It will put GB and HC down.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xlcjw72:
yeah but will the transformer get it?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
While I'd agree that Apple have a head start in the tablet market (even if it's eroding *extremely* quickly -- already one in every three tablets sold runs Android), I don't know where you got the idea that Apple have "a huge chunk of market share ... in the PC market".

According to NetApplications, Apple has just 5.6% of the operating system market, and if you do the maths yourself, they have 6.0% of the "Windows vs. Mac" (ie. what most people would consider a home PC) market. There are almost twice as many people out there (9.27%) running the much-loathed Windows Vista operating system, than there are people running OS X of any flavor. Fully 87.13% of all desktops are running some variant of Windows. Even if you ignore anything except the OS X and Windows machines, Apple accounts for just one in every 16.6 PCs out there, which can be seen as nothing other than a miniscule share of the market.

To put this in context, Android currently has 30.1% market share in tablets, versus Apple's 6.0% market share in the Windows / Mac PC market. We've already got five times larger market share in tablets than Apple has in PCs...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
As a counterpoint, my wife and I went to a local pizza joint, and she went in to get a table while I parked the car. While she was waiting for me to come inside, the waiter asked about her tablet, which was screen-up on the table in the official sleeve case, ie. no logos visible anywhere, and we didn't know the waiter, nor had we been to the restaurant before. Not only did he not mistake my wife's Transformer for an iPad, he actually knew not only that it was an Android tablet, but also knew the exact brand before we said a word -- "Hey, is that an Asus Transformer?"

This in a relatively small town in East Tennessee, no less...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ikeny:
Most importantly, did he say "ah-sues" or "A-sus".
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lanpirate:
Wait: Apple does not have a huge chunk of the PC market share? All I ever see people using in movies and tv shows are Apple products, it must be true :rolleyes:
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brando56894:
While I agree with you on some point, others I don't. I've had an android device for about 1.5 years now and I've probably spent $150-200 on apps, but I do pirate stuff occasionally to see how the apps is. If I like it I buy it so I can get future updates. I am not "a completely frugal, money pinching, money lover." but I am in college and I make $75 a week at my job so I find ways to get the things I want, and make sure the purchase if worth it in the end. When I graduate with an IT degree in a few months I hope to be making $50k+ a year and then yes I will buy more things if the price is reasonable. Will I ever spend a grand on the Adobe Creative suite? Hell no. You analogy of comparing piracy to opening up boxes and outright stealing stuff is incorrect. Piracy makes a copy of something, leaving the original copy. Yes it is free though.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwilliamf:
Here is my other question:

Isn't rooting an android device equal(same) to jailbreaking an ipod or ipad?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dictionary:
In some ways, yes, but making the statement about not being able to jailbreak, so he has to pay $10 for apps .. is implying that he's only jailbreaking so that he can install pirated apps. Rooting gives the users root level access to do many things, but the primary objective isn't to run pirated apps. Heck, you can run pirated Android apps without Rooting the device, so they aren't exactly on equal footings.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
You know, I didn't ask my wife that at the time, but it occurred to me to wonder while I was typing my post. Might just have to ask when she's home later... ;-)

Hah! Maybe if they'd stop buying placement in movies and trying to hook our kids by dumping hardware in schools, they might be able to price their products reasonably in the first place.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Digitaldreamer7:
If your primary focus is gaming my advice to you would be wait for the PS vita or get one of the gaming android phones sony is putting out. If you are buying a tablet device ONLY for gaming, you are going to be disappointed.

Also, with that being said if you buy an iOS device and you want ANY sort of customization or alternative support and/or freedom in OS customization you will be sadly disappointed.

Just take the red pill, you'll be happier.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Drybonz:
I'm not really sure how honeycomb could be "slowly dying" as it only recently came out. I think, more than anything, that it just hasn't picked up a lot of support from app developers although that is slowly picking up.

Since you are an "avid gamer" I would recommend a Gameboy over a tablet.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Honeycomb by defintion cannot "die" because Honeycomb is not an independent version of android, or an offshot. Honeycomb is an incomplete new version of Android. Everything that is inside of honeycomb will be in the ICS. Very little of what was introduced in Honeycomb was exclusive for tablet layouts.

Honeycomb will "die" just as much as froyo or gingerbread will "die".
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soundcheck863:
+1

The transformer is for so much more than games!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] farr3ll:
Agreed but more games would be good.. i understand new tech, ICS yadiya... dont take my gripes to serously.. still rather this than iOS
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paqu1:
I agree that the 15 mins is too short to test anything well enough for the most part. However I think the 24 hours was too much from the developers point of view. There are several fairly short games that you can easily complete in few hours and then get your money back from it with the old system. I think 30-60 mins would be good enough.

On the galaxy on fire 2 which you used as your example it doesnt go like that. You can install the game for free and even play it few hours, but once you go further on the story game asks you to buy the licence. I think thats brilliant system. Heck it got me to buy that game. :)

But yes I see your point there. Luckily on many programs and games there is a lite version available which you can try out before buying the full version.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
I'm not convinced by this argument, to be honest. If your game has no replay value and can be completely finished by a brand new user in just a handful of hours, then frankly, you probably shouldn't be charging for it in the first place, because you've made an incomplete product.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iCracked:
haha that wasnt op, that was me haha, but it is so true.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] josephislee:
every person I showed my tf. And dock to want this over tthe opacity lol.. What I think this tablet needs is Ics for perfection lol
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asdfuogh:
My girlfriend kept making me show everyone because it's so cool.. but i really wanted them to stop playing with it so i could play..
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paqu1:
Well if game costs 0.5 - 2$ and it lasts few good hours I dont find it too bad of a deal. You really cant expect any breathtaking +30 hours game with that price. I mean compare it to many games on console. Like bulletstorm for example. It takes like 10-12 hours to finish and you just paid 70$ or so for it and the replay value isn't big. Is that a good deal and "complete" product?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jerrykur:
If you want to ensure you can play the latest games get an iPad. It will always have a wider selection of apps, especially paid apps.

Android users tend to have a hard time paying for apps and this has resulted in many developers not spending as much effort on the platform.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lesilent:
I totally agree :

Honeycomb will "die" just as much as froyo or gingerbread will "die".
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
Well, I can't see anybody bothering to spend (waste) their time warezing a 50-cent game that has no replay value, so the point kind of stands. (And for $2, I'd want a game with more than a few hours of gameplay, given that there are many free or similarly priced games that are far longer with great replay value.)

The console game, I'm not familiar with, but it doesn't sound like great value to me either tbh.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottmog:
Console meaning like game consoles... xbox, ps, nintendo.

And like I said again u can get yonzhs emulators for free now. More free, great replay games then you know what to deal with
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
I know what a console is (my Xbox 360 is sitting less than three feet from me ;-) -- just not familiar with the specific game mentioned. I'm a racing / flight simulation / (occasionally) FPS / puzzle game kinda guy...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottmog:
Haha k, I was like wtf how does this guy not understand console lol ;)

Tons of great puzzle games on snes :) haha
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wikid24:
If you want to talk about a quality games, there are tons of snes/mame/psx emulators on (and off) the android market that run smoothly on the android tablets thanks to superior Tegra 2 gpu power.

Also, you should check out some of the Tegra-optimized games (via the Tegra Market app), like Galaxy on Fire 2, which in my humble opinion is one of my favorite games at the moment, regardless of platform (including PC/Xbox!)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottmog:
Bleh, u must be younger then me. I'm still in the 2d side scroller generation. I'm only 26. I havnt played and liked a new game in about 8 years
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bagadonitz:
I installed this update last night and it straight up bricked my phone. Starting with volume down and doing a hard factory reset leaves the phone hung on the white screen with HTC on it.

The phone is covered under warranty and I'll be getting a box shipped to me to send it in for repair. It is the 6-8 week turn around on the repair that troubles me.

The following briefly flashes on the screen when loading up that volume down / power screen:

SD Checking…

Loading…[PC10DIAG.zip]

No image!

Loading…[PC10DIAG.nbh]

No image or wrong image!

Loading…[PC10IMG.zip]

No image!

Loading…[PC10IMG.nbh]

No image or wrong image!

Knowing this, is there anywhere I can download these files and place them onto the SD card to see if I can't unbrick this thing myself? I am a technical person (java developer) and I have done BB development in the past but haven't done any android type work.

I just don't want to go without my phone for 8 weeks if this is a simple software restoration exercise.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] David Dee:
Check out this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=842495&highlight=brick

If you cannot execute the suggested method, post exact details of what you did, and have experienced, in that thread. Hopefully someone will be able to assist you. That should be the best place to start.

Good Luck!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bagadonitz:
From the thread posted above I think I'm screwed. This phone was stock, I've never bothered doing anything with it.

Vision PVT SHIP S-ON

HBOOT-0.05.0009

MICROP-0425

RADIO-26.06.02.25_M2

eMMC-boot

Dec 13, 2010,14:30:18

Since I've never rooted the phone or enabled usb debugging adb is just saying "error: device not found"

I would post this in that thread but it won't let me.

Is there anything I can do? I'll continue reading the rest of that thread.