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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
As previously stated, my neighborhood is more of a "let the maids raise the kids type of place. Generally parents here are useless and treat their kids as accessories.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
How about this simple mantra to solve the moral delimna...

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"

"Two wrongs dont make a right"
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheRaggyGandalf:
Different countries different laws I guess.

You would be bound by law here to report something you found no matter where and regardless the circumstances.

After 6 months you would gain ownership if no one claims it.

However you would be entitled to about $25 reward (for each phone) by law

Of course they would have to admit to the circumstances which may result in further charges :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] JBO1018:
The complete lack of any moral compass in a majority of people here is highly disturbing. Doing the right thing is not being a sucker or a "white knight." If more people would just learn a little freakin respect for others this world would be a much better place. Which is another reason why just keeping the phone is wrong. If you call the parents and tell them what happened maybe those kids will get taught a little respect. You think losing their phone teaches them anything? Hell no. They will just get their mommy to buy them a new one after lying about how they lost it.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
As I've stated, people in this area generally don't give a damn what their kids do. The police are the only valid venue but as the crime has been committed they'd be completely disinterested in teaching these brats a lesson.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
So you would rather have them come over and get their phones? Ok, you guys just broke into my property, swam and drank (underage on my property = could possibly land you in jail) in my backyard, but here is your phones. That sounds like a great way to teach them a lesson.

Reward them and give them their phones back? Hahahaha. At least they would learn some type of a lesson if they had to buy a new phone, regardless if they tell their parents or not. They wont go near anyone else's property again.

If you give them the phones, they would basically think that they can get away with it every time. If some guy gives them over 800.00 of merchandise back for them breaking the law, they mine as well go in your house and eat your leftovers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JBO1018:
I never said anything close to what you are implying. Go back and actually read and COMPREHEND. I'm not going to argue about this tho. I made my statement and filled it with valid points.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
+ 1 million

How many times does z33dev33l have to say parents in his neighborhood don't give a **** about what their kids do so why would he contact them like they are going to do a dam thing but give their kids a slap on the wrist if even that. @z33dev33l you know what to do with the phones as you already stated it's just a shame that the people who live where the clouds are made of marshmallows, where the grass is always greener, and at certain times of the day you can see unicorns grazing in the pasture lol, are giving out hilarious advice about this. You guys want morals and justice here is one, Code of Hammurabi "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" haha :).
[Windows Phone 7 General] alexrodri0:
couple of high school students lose their phone while illegally trespassing. thats their loss IMHO you should just keep them, its on your property and they f*cked up by leaving it there, they probably wont even bother trying to come back and find it, they might just call in the replacement if they had insurance
[Windows Phone 7 General] e_rl:
The cost the OP pays to upkeep his lawn and pool probably cost alot more than an HD7S and an iPhone 3GS. Consider it payment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
It doesn't matter, in the end, the parents will call the carrier, report the cells lost & the carriers will send out a lock & make the devices useless. The end.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Wouldn't they just lock/ turn the simcards off and not the phone? Carriers can completely disable a device so it won't work( Like not turn on)? Carriers that use simcards have kill switches like that? I'm just curious cause I use a unlocked phone so things like this don't apply to me and also I have never heard of such a thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
Can I now please have my phones back ?

oh and don't tell my mom, she will take my phones and destroy them :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
If you would of changed your location to Austin,TX instead of Germany before posting then your joke would of worked ;).
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
They can lock the phone itself by the IMEI #. The carrier knows the IMEI via the account. That's how carriers like TMOUS & AT&T know what device you have. It may turn on, not sure, but would be useless as a cell & it's permanent. Short of knowing how to hack the device's lock-out feature (if even possible), there's no way to undo it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Ahh I see, I learn something new on XDA every day :).
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Yeah, sadly, I had a few friends get ripped off when they'd buy a cell from someone only to find it useless. They will usually turn on, but the SIM/CDMA Flash will be locked out that it can't be used as a cell. You can still use it as a media player or what ever, but really, what's the point when it requires data to get a lot of files onto WP7 (off course not music/video/photo as they sync via Zune.).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
I actually hit all of your points. But ok, no "returning phones to kids that broke into my property/pool" arguments lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tai4de2:
I would not in any way, shape, or form go directly to the parents and try to work a deal. By doing that, you leave yourself open to negative consequences. What if the parents take their little darlings' side and accuse you of something?

The right thing here is to take the evidence of their crime (yes, that's what those phones are) to the police and let *them* call the parents or do whatever needs to be done.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JBO1018:
See if in the first place everything was left as it was when found and then the cops were called they would probably use the phone to find the kids. If the intention was to punish them that would have been done and charges pressed. This is just a way to try and rationalize keeping the phone as justified.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
and absolutely nothing would've happened. I currently own 6 WP7 devices including a normal HD7 an HD7s isnt filling my cup any further. I do think that I will keep the device unless there is someone who can provide a more valid alternative. I had to clean my whole pool area and shock the pool after that to prepare for the weekends events.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Why not reply to the craigslist post you mentioned. They were offering a $100 reward as you said. So you get $100 for your troubles as long as they hold up their end of the bargain of course. Sure, $100 isn't much for the clean-up you had to do or their violation of your property, but it's something. Just my thought on the matter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Well I'm a full-time novelist and part time developer... money doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I think just wish there was a way I could be certain they'd pay the piper for their misdeed or at least a way I could guarantee they wouldnt do it again... I'm not going to go out of my way and do a 70s montage with a long drawn out plan, montages don't work that way in real life.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Sadly, as you said, these parents aren't of much use & the police can't do anything as they weren't caught in the act. So, there's not much you can do. I can only guarantee that they lied to their parents about how they lost their cells. At least contacting the ad, there's the possibility it is the parents they can finally know the truth. Than, hopefully the parents will take responsibility for their kids however unlikely. Not doing anything, there's no way these kids will get what they deserve. Sadly, what they did to you, kids do all the damn time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
youtube it

id smash their phones and youtube it. hd quality of course.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Hahaha of course, HD. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Like +1, but be careful. They could always lie, saying their cells were in deed stolen & then you could get in trouble for having "stolen property." It'd be your word against theirs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
z33dev33l, you are over thinking this.

If those kids come asking for their phone, get the parents/police/whatever involve.

If they don't come, keep the phones.

It's simple as that.

This kids trespass and trash your place and you DON'T have any obligation to go out of your way to return those phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] THUDUK:
So two kids broke into your property, littered and messed up the place, possibly damaging and basically violating your possessions.

And they accidentally left two quite expensive phones behind, full of all there details and contacts etc...

I have absolutely no compassion for little turds like that, they need to be made to respect other people's possessions and property, above all to respect others, I wouldn't want to keep the phones anyway, they are not yours to keep really and if I found anything like that would simply firstly report the crime of trespassing/damage and hand the phones over to the police, then go out and buy an hd7....end of
[Windows Phone 7 General] PsychoAssasin:
Im a pretty nice guy, and theres been many times people have dropped/left good amounts of money(cash or items) and i always let them know. In this case however, i wouldnt lift a finger to try and get these phones back to them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
"Update: the kid left a letter in my mailbox and here's what it says verbatim:

"haha u stupid asshol I bet ur having fun wit my phone when you don't got the charger. When the battery runs out you won't be able to use it no more! Youre STUPIDDDD"

I believe my wp7 corrected the more atrocious spelling errors but wow... This kid should not be allowed to own a smartphone and lets just hope he doesn't breed. I was having a dilemma on what to do... Now I think I'll keep the wp7. IOS can die in a fire, it'll go in the drawer with all my useless android phones."

I hope all you people who told him to go out his way to return the phones feel real stupid right about now. This kid has the audacity to trespass, drink on and trash his property, and then leave a message in his mail box calling him a asshole when he done nothing wrong except own a pool. @z33dev33l I would go into his phone and find his email address and email him(make a new email it probably would not be smart to use your own ;)). You should say you have a charger and thank him for a brand new phone and also tell him that if he ever steps foot on your property again that you would slit his throat and then dump his body into a river haha. Edit: I thought he left the message in your actual mailbox so it seems like you already have his email even better :). But how did he get your email or did he email himself?
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
WTH, stupid kid needs to get his just deserts, that for sure.

No, I don't feel stupid, because it's not going out of his way. If you call anything I suggested as going out of your way, than all you are left with is doing absolutely nothing. But hey, should of never even made this thread in the end if you didn't want the opinions of others.

Don't send a threatening email. That is called "Terroristic Threats" & is a serious charge. Keeping the cells is foolish as I already said as the kids could easily say you stole them & than you are in possession of stolen property. It'd be your word against theirs & guess what, you have possession so that makes you look guilty.

The smart move would have been to call the cops before cleaning & have them take both your's & your cleaner's statement as well as pictures & turn the cells over to the police. But, it's too late for that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] oldpueblo:
The kids were jerks, they screwed up, we get it. Kids are dumb, I guarantee almost everyone here did dumb **** like this when they were young. BUT no amount of rationalization changes this fact: They don't belong to you. Willingly possessing something that belongs to someone else without their consent, when you know who the owners are and have the means to contact them, IS very likely theft or at least unjust enrichment. You are basically taking the law into your own hands and passing judgement, and that can be a dangerous thing.

HOWEVER given that kids attitude I would definitely get the police involved now. He needs to learn a lesson badly and not having his phone isn't going to be good enough. It also cleans your own slate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AidenM:
Hey - kids aren't always dumb. I'm 11, I should know.

To the OP:

Get the police involved. THAT kid needs to learn.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
I would call the cops, their parents, and let them read the letters they put in your mailbox. Or wait until it gets worse so you can get some money out of it (if all goes bad/well). Don't mess with stolen possession. If you play your cards right, you could possibly give these kids a good asswhoopin from the cops and their parents.

Unless their parents are losers who can't stop their kids. Since they own an iPhone and WP7, I bet they would pay, also.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Hehe, ya maybe sending threatening emails might not be the best idea and depending on the kids age it could end very badly with the law. I still would have some fun and taunt him though for ****s and giggles :). Like you said going to the police wouldn't matter now because he already tampered with the scene of the the crime and took no pictures of evidence that a crime happened. What else is there to do except keep the phones and judging from the kids email he thinks he got one over on him because he thinks he has no charger for the phones, I bet it would really piss the kid off if he got a email back saying he has chargers for both of his phones lol :D.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Jeez, some kids are just too dumb.

Your choices... keep the phone and ignore this, but be assured they will hold a grudge against you, and return when you are not there. A situation that could escalate to unwanted proportions.

My prefered choice... involve the police and their parents (which are problably idiots too). You got all the evidence in your hands, let them taste a bit of justice !
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Another thing I just thought of, if this kid is consider a minor justice would not be served because all the charges would just be dropped because of his minor status and the type of crime he committed, he would just get a slap on the wrist by the police and be told not to do it again. And also there is no evidence besides the phones so it's going to be one persons word against another. @z33dev33l you are going to have to be a vigilante lol, Let him know you have the chargers and the phones are working better than ever and then put Charlie Sheen's favorite quote " Winning" at the end of the email haha.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
The worst he would have gotten, is the underage drinking which would have resulted in him not being able to get a license till he's 18/21(?), but like you said, a slap on the wrist.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I could drop the phones in the pool and say that's where I found them haha. If I wanted to be really immature I could post a lot of fun stuff on his. Facebook wall from his profile but I won't, alas there's nothing I really can do I i will just remain inactive. I guess the phones will sit in my phone drawer til they hold some sort of purpose if ever this does occur.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I like the pool idea, than just leave them on the sidewalk outside your house lol...

Or, strip the HD7S down & keep the parts (LCD/Case/Camera/Etc.) while disposing of the guts (Circuit board with the IMEI on it). Than, maybe put the SLCD into your T-Mobile HD7 if it's really any better than the TFT LCD.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Haha omg I didn't even think about Facebook. You are way to nice, I would of went to the liquor store and bought some real good top-shelf vodka like Grey Goose or Belevedere and had some real fun with this kids facebook page, no threats but definitively some fun :D. I think if you messed with his facebook page he would really learn a lesson and justice would be served, Facebook is like gold to theses teenage kids. I honestly don't think it would be immature at all to do this, it would be quite comical lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
That's a good idea too, post a bunch of pictures of open bottles of liquor & hopefully Mommy & Daddy would see them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
z33dev33l, I am wondering too.

That's a horrible idea. Police will probably get involve and track down the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I was thinking change his sexuality and perhaps bust out the old PhotoShop for some real fun.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
Sounds good to me.

Seriously though, how did he sent you a letter? Yes, I am asking from my curious side.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Oh, he just shoved it in my mailbox.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Yeah man just hold them until it all calms down. That's all these kids will think about during their precious summer hahahaha.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I am sure his phone is all he can thing about and it's killing him inside.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I will tell you a personal story about my girlfriend and I when we were 16.

My girl jump her neighbor's fence and took a good swim on a hot summer morning. She did not trash the place or anything.

Her neighbor came home and chase her away. Apparently she left her purse, ID, phone and her clothes there. (I have no idea how she came back home.)

The next day she she was running in circles like I've never seen before and she won't tell me why until 2:00 in the afternoon. She was expecting a call for her mom, but the call never came.

I dragged her all the way to her neighbor's house and she was crying and sobbing and kicking me the whole way. She told him she was really sorry. He give back all her belongings except her clothes because "they smell nice".

We both had to clean his pool for the next 6 months. And no, she did not get her clothes back.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Sounds like a sick perverted f*ck to me, eww.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Ahh I see when you said your WP7 device auto corrected it, it threw me off and had me thinking he emailed you.That's to bad because now you can't email him back and let him know that you have chargers :).

@ day2die that dude sounds like a creep "they smell nice", when I read that I couldn't stop laughing lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You're gonna steal form kids because they went in your pool?

How old are you again?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
damn, I took you off of my ignore list to read this? I'll never get those 5 seconds back...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Terrible WP7 come back post N8ter, I'm sure you can do better than that.

And he hasn't stolen anything...
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
So, what is the end game here ? Is this just to screw with the kids or get them to say sorry/pay for damages ?

You got the note, these kids seem that they are not very bright. The more you play on their facebook, etc, the more it opens doors for them to think they should get revenge. Next thing you know 2-3am other things are damaged on your home or cars that you dont see till its done. Unless you see them do it, it's a he said she said thing.

Do you want to take that chance that they will cause other problems ?

I think this should be reported to the local police, notify them that you are holding on to the phones till you get paid for damages. This way it's documented, if other issues pop up, then you can add it to the case.

Are these kids that dumb where if the battery dies, $1-3 on ebay will get you a working charger shipped or about $7-20 in a retail store ?

Edit: You could always go on their facebook and leave it in their court. "You broke into my yard and did damage to use my pool, you left your phones, if you want them, come back, pay for damages and I will return your phones." etc...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
+1, that seems logical.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Contact the police

Hi z33dev33l

I genuinely believe you should contact your local police authorities about this as soon as you can. Firstly, you have no proof that these phones legally belong(ed) to the trespassers. They may have stolen them themselves and by keeping them you are punishing an unintended victim of crime. Secondly, these guy(s) are obviously law breakers in principle, otherwise they would not have broken into your property unauthorised. There may be evidence of other criminal activity on these phones and the longer you leave it the more time they have to work out things like remote wipe.

If you contact the police authorities and pass the phones onto them, you will have a clear concience, which no money can buy.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I i appreciate the post my conscience is clean, I just want these kids to actually get in trouble for what they did rather than being able to brush it off with a slap on the wrist and as so many have put it, without proof its a he-said she-said. The repairs altogether to what they damaged are 190 dollars. That's change to most people around here, no one learns their lesson that way...
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
My advice: do nothing
[Windows Phone 7 General] legbuh:
My advice, return the phone to the AT&T store where it belongs... It's a POS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
yeah, the iPhone really is. The hd7s isn't so bad though aside from dreadful battery life. Best OS around.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TIGGAH:
Personally, I'd give them back with a warning not to come back. That said I would not fault you at all for keeping/selling them. Teach the trespassers a lesson!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Or, he can contact the parents. Tell them they did 190 dollars worth of damage (say 250 for your troubles) and you will not give the phones back until they do. If they refuse, go to the police. That seems reasonable. Or just go to the police and let them know you are attempting to resolve the issue and make a report.

Just in case they decide to take revenge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
So the AT&T Store can call up the kid and give him back his phone?

Stupid idea.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fuzemaster:
+1 ...they're gonna key your car man. just get their parents involved.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dotAlexX:
Shouldn't they have their parents number or something in their contact list?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I find it hillarious that a grown-up is acting like this and making a spectacle about it on a forum (personally I'm not really believing it, but whatever).
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
A whole post without unwarranted hate for wp7... Not going to lie, I'm kinda proud.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
You know what, never noticed this lol. Pretty good job there man.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I think I'm going to take the simplest advice I've received and do nothing. I finally took the time to set up the alarm system protect America sent me (by free installation they mean do it yourself, just FYI) and have cameras monitoring the property as well as glass break sensors, motion sensors, door and window contacts, and a fun little trip wire surrounding the back yard that dials out to the police if tapped. I just have to hope my 10 month old doesn't go after that.