yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Not positive why they are different, but I think the top section is default stuff, and the lower section is added stuff and that "the last one wins" but am not positive about it. It makes sense to me that the pyramid team simply added stuff without changing the defaults above knowing that their settings would take precedence. I am on call for work this week or I might test it.

When this first came up someone said they made them the same and that seemed like sound advice at the time, but I strongly suspect that the top line could be deleted.

Mike mentioned at one point that ro.ril.hspxa=3 should be faster. For me initially using the DisH=2 rcdata.img and ro.ril.hspxa=2 was a bit faster, but not by much. When I flashed the very latest ICS radio from Steve0007, then used the DisH=3 rcdata and both build.prop values set to 3, it was a bit faster. Not a huge sample size, but pretty consistent. With radios though YMMV. Everybody's phone is a bit different and where they use it is a bit different. Newer is not always better. Sometimes you might get better coverage but lower data transfer speeds, so testing over a few hours in your normal places you use the phone at is the best way to tell.
[HTC Sensation] ardom:
Question, Do I need to keep on reflashing the Radio everytime i Flash a New ROM? or least update the ROM like ARHD? or just the RIL that I need to flash all the time?

Thanks, any response would be greatly appreciated ^^,
[HTC Sensation] Ladicx:
I have a question. I recently was given a company iPhone from AT&T(older 3g iPhone, it sucks) so I took the sim card out of it and put it in my T-Mobile sensation. I no longer have service with T-Mobile.

Now I was able to get the at&t sim card working with my sensation but it only runs on 2g or edge. If I change the radio to the Bell version will I be able to get 3g on my sensation? Ive heard the sensation is 3g capable but I want to know if using a radio from this thread might help me.

I'm running AOKP latest build which is cm9 ics base. Any suggestions??
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Nope, you only need to flash a new radio if you flash a new ROM from a different firmware base, or if you want to.

In the first case, if you were on ARHD 3.6.13 or on ARHD 4.1.13 or even 6.3.x, and wanted to go to ARHD 6.6.x, then you would need to flash a newer firmware which would actually include the radio, so you do not need to flash it separately. The matching RIL is included in the ROM, so you would not need to do anything special. When 6.6.1 comes out, you can flash it safely over 6.6.0 and you do not have to reflash the radio or the RIL.

In the second case though, different radio/RIL pairs will give you different results, the latest radio is not always the best radio for your phone in your area, so you can flash a different radio with the matching RIL and test it to see if it gives better coverage or data transfer speeds. I recommend keeping ICS radios/RILs with ICS ROMs, and GB radios/RILs with GB ROMs.

This is spelled out in better detail in the first post of this thread, but if you have any other questions please let me know.
[HTC Sensation] jleon1320:
+1 Hadn't thought about changing the radio... Maybe its hardware related. My guess is that the phone isn't able to connect with AT&T's 3G radios because it may be on different frequencies. I tried putting my girlfriend's sim in my phone but wasn't about to start playing with radios if she already had her own phone... lol
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
The only radio I have seen linked to Bell specifically is an older GB radio 10.50.9007.00U_10.12.9007.21_2. I know you can flash the GB radios with an ICS ROM and get some level of service, but don't flash the matching GB RIL or it will kill ALL signal at least in all my tests so far.

If you look in the first post, Omar302 suggested deleting several files from the RIL .zip package before flashing it when attempting to use GB radios/RILs on an ICS ROM, but I could never get it to work. One user in the thread reported it worked for him, but I have seen a lot more reported failures as well as mine. :(

I would also suggest trying the other ICS radios/RILs from the first post since they should work fine with any ICS ROM.
[HTC Sensation] jleon1320:
mf2112, was it worth the few mins it took to flash 3.32.709.108 radio? trying to decide if i should bother... :)

Doh... should have read a little slower... "not a significant difference"
[HTC Sensation] Xx12thANG3LxX:
Why would my keyboard not be working when editing build.prop? All I'm getting is blue arrow when I short press. Any suggestions mf?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Can't think that I have ever had that problem before. Are you using ES Explorer to browse it and then ES Note Editor to edit it? That is what I normally use.

Do you have an alternate keyboard like Go or Swift installed?

Another alternative would be plug in the USB cable to pull the file to your computer using 'adb pull /system/build.prop', edit it using Notepad++ to keep the Unix formatting, then do an 'adb remount' to mount the file system as writable, then 'adb push build.prop /system/build.prop'
[HTC Sensation] Xx12thANG3LxX:
Yeah I can do it with esexplorer for some reason I can't with rootexplorer
[HTC Sensation] Xx12thANG3LxX:
Nevermind figured it out. Duh lol;)
[HTC Sensation] marcusgolden:
Data/Reception?

If you get better data speeds (using speedtest.net) with radio1 compare to radio2, doesn't that also imply that you have better reception with radio1 compared radio2?

Can one radio1 be a better than radio2 in a certain area and then the radio2 be better than radio1 in a different area?

Are the radios area or phone or a combination of both specific in there strength, quality, and etc?

Thanks!
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Between different radio/RIL pairs, you can see a lot of variation in coverage, data transfer speeds, everything really. That is why I state in the first post to give it a day after flashing a new radio/RIL to give it a fair test. I have seen some radios give better coverage (more bars in more locations) than other radios, but with worse data transfer speeds, so YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary). A lot in some cases. A lot of it depends on the phone hardware as well, the same radio on different phones can give different results in the same location.

I am sorry I can't answer more directly, there is just not a good right or wrong answer here other than "It depends". :D The best thing is to try it, but keep in mind that I definitely recommend using GB radios/RILs with GB ROMs, and ICS radios/RILs with ICS ROMs. Also, in general ICS radios seem to perform not as well as GB radios, so it is not really a fair comparison to make. You just won't get the same data transfer rates with ICS that you might have seen with GB. Not really sure why, I suspect there might be some throttling going on but hard to tell for sure if it is that or if it is just that ICS is still "beta" software in a lot of ways.
[HTC Sensation] marcusgolden:
Hey, i'm not comparing ICS to GB. I'm comparing ICS "_M" to "_M2". I made sure the RIL and Radios parirs matched. It seems like I get better reception with "_M" but better data speeds "_M2". At least that's what my phone antenna bars and speednet.com show.

How dependable are the signal bars on the phone? I also used "Network Signal Info" app to see the different signal strengths, but I don't know how dependable the apps is. I was just messing around with some things and trying to see if there were any noticeable differences in the RILs/Radios.

Can the different kernels affect the signal strength/data speeds for a phone?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Cool, no worries. The reason I stated that is because the GB radios, particularly 10.56.9035.00U_10.14.9035.01 and 10.58.9035.00U_10.15.9035.02_2 were kind of the "gold standard", or high water mark in terms of coverage and transfer speeds, and NONE of the ICS radios have yet matched it. Unfortunately it doesn't seem possible at this time to flash that radio and use it with an ICS ROM to make the ideal combination. :o

The signal bars are a VERY rough estimate, not sure on apps but like most things some are probably better than others. The best way I know is to use the Diag menu, go to the phone and dial *#*#4636#*#* then go to Phone Information and look at Signal Strength there. The drawback is that it is not as easy to use as an app. Maybe you could compare the results over some time to see how closely they matched, but signal changes a fair amount for me at least so hard to tell.

I would say that the kernel could have an effect on the data speed or signal strength just from the fact that the kernel is at the heart of the whole system, but with the three excellent kernel devs we have I think any of the custom kernels will be better than stock.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Check out "cell breathing" when you get a chance...this is one reason why the signals fluctuate.
[HTC Sensation] rickyiswhite:
just a question as I'm not sure... I just flashed the newest one and all's well. but what does it do to my phone?

Sent from my Primed Sensation 4G with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
You flashed the newest one what? Radio? RIL? Firmware? Sorry, I am not sure what you mean. The reason most people flash a new radio/RIL pair is to improve coverage and data transfer speeds. It is not necessary to do as the latest ICS firmware comes with a radio and the ROM's have the RILs, so no need to change the radio/RIL unless you are getting poor reception or transfer speeds.
[HTC Sensation] rickyiswhite:
oh ****.. I meant to post that on the firmware thread, I got mixed up lol

Sent from my Primed Sensation 4G with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] l2icky:
Changing Radio.

I keep trying to change the radio, because my signal keeps dropping. It didn't drop, and then the first time I tried to push the radio for ARHD, I don't think it pushed. Since, the signal just drops. I have tried pushing the latest multiple times, I even pushed the 3.32 FW hoping it would push the right radio, then pushed the radio again, it's not changing the radio....

Any Ideas?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Well, the 3.32 firmware should definitely install a radio. If you need an hboot update, then the radio goes after the reboot as I recall. How are you checking to see if the radio is changing? The way to get the correct result is Settings, About Phone, Software Information, More and look at the Baseband version.

You do understand the need to flash the matching RIL package as well right?
[HTC Sensation] l2icky:
Yes, that's how I am checking the radio. Yes, I did flash the RIL packages after pushing the radio. I've been able to change them, but they all do the samething. I get full service, then it drops to no signal (x), then no bars. And it changes. It will go up to full signal, 3 bars, no bars, no signal (x). It just keeps changing. It didn't do this before I changed the radio for ARHD. I have tried multiple ROMs with multiple ICS radios. I am downloading the stock RUU now, I am just going to run the RUU and start over. I don't know what else to try. I have tried everything, including the ARHD TMOUS package that is supposed to increase signal/data.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
That sounds more like a hardware issue. Don't just flash the RUU, if you are on the 3.32 firmware then you can't just do that. Instead, take the back cover off. Check the little gold fingers on the phone and make sure they are clean, swap them with alcohol if you can. Clean the contact points on the case. Make sure none of the little gold fingers are bent and not making good contact.

If the cleaning doesn't help, then you can try VERY GENTLY bending the little gold fingers outward to make sure they are making good contact.
[HTC Sensation] l2icky:
I did this and it showed great signal...Maybe it's user error. I have had Wifi on the entire time...I guess it wants you to use WiFi calling, so as long as it's connected, it shows no signal? I am new to the Sensation and the ROMs, I turned off the WiFi and it seems to function normal. I turned my WiFi back on and it is no longer dropping the signal... Wow, I tried everything and I guess it was just a simple fix of letting the data connect through the carrier.

Thanks for your help. :)
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Not sure which ROM you are on now, but I think most of them dial down the mobile network signal to the lowest level when WiFi is turned on, so that should be normal now. Glad you figured it out, thanks for reporting back here. :D
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
No special reason.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :p
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
Is it better than the one in newest firmware? I wont to try it but someone here wrote that this radio from Steve0007 drain to much of battery.Is it true? Another question:if I reflashed the firmware do i lose this newest radio? Thanks
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
For me the M2 radio was slightly faster than the radio included in the 3.32 firmware. As always though with radios, Your Mileage May Vary. What is good for me may not be good for your phone in your area.

I personally have not seen any excessive battery drain. I would expect to see that happen though if someone flashed the new radio, then flashed (or reflashed) their ROM, and forgot to reflash the 4.0.0017 RIL to match. If they forgot the RIL then they would be mismatched as almost every ROM comes with 4.0.0013 now.

If you reflash the 3.32 firmware package, you will overwrite the newest radio with the prior radio.
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
ok i flashed new radio and proper ril file without problems. so if i reflashed firmware i need to flash radio again and ril, but if i flash other rom (6.6.3 when it comes) than i just need to reflas ril. am i understand correct this procedure?:)
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
If you reflash the firmware but not the ROM, then you just need to reflash the radio as the RIL is in the ROM. If you flash another ROM such as 6.6.3 you are correct that you just need to reflash the RIL.
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
Thanks...now i will see how is this new radio
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
How do i check transfer/data speed? Thats a little unclear for me. Do i need some aplication or? Everything else is working nice :)
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I usually use Speedtest. I also try going into a few websites and the Play application and do a rough time with 1000-1, 1000-2, 1000-3, etc.
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
I do have speedtest yes. I think that i have better speed because before flashing this newest one i had 4,02 Mbps download and now over 5,5Mbps. Testing at my home. Rough time with 1000-1......whats that?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
It takes about 1 second of time to say "1000" "1", so if you want to count 3 seconds, you say "1000" "1", "1000" "2", "1000" "3". A very rough estimate, but usually accurate for a few seconds which is about how long it should take to bring up an average webpage or connect to Google Play and go into Settings, My Apps for instance.
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
mf2112, what radio are you using in Vegas? I have 11.69.3504 which is pretty good, but sometimes slow in the evenings...
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I am using radio 11.69A.3504.00_11.23.3504.07_M2 from the 3.32.709.108 RUU now with the DisH3 TMOUS rcdata.img fix and it seems to be working pretty well so far. Not a huge difference from the 3.32.401.105 firmware/ 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M radio, but slightly faster for me as shown by SpeedTest.
[HTC Sensation] Xx12thANG3LxX:
I use same setup. Works good.
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
Ok...might play with that setup. thks
[HTC Sensation] derekny:
figured id post over here instead of ARHD...so right now i have

build 3.32.401.105 CL309896 release-keys

HTC RIL 4.0.0013HMQ (jan 31,1012, 23:42:10)

Radio 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M

& getting poor data speeds/coverage, so i would want to try the 11.69A.3504.00_11.23.3504.07_M2 & HTC-RIL 4.0.0017HMQ matching radio and ril?
[HTC Sensation] chihliouma:
Hi there, it seems the new radio (11.72)+ RIL is there in Chinese forum as below.

http://bbs.gfan.com/android-3978815-1-1.html

RADIO : http://dl.dbank.com/c0l5n6r9v1

RIL : http://bbs.gfan.com/attachment.php?...zaXRCNTdFME5Ed1BoSzkwZ2FrcmorY1JLZEtjamZjRHE0

Not test yet and sure if this is new or useful for you guys.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Update: Please DO NOT flash the PG58IMG.zip file you might download from the preceding post. It is not just a radio, but a whole firmware package which could have the potential of bricking your device.

Yes, exactly. Or you could also try either of the other two ICS radios from the first post plus their matching RIL files.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Thanks, I will check it out shortly. :D Hmm, unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any English translation as I don't know a word of Chinese. Duh...scratch the prior part, didn't hit the other links. :o .... Well, I was half right, was able to download the radio from the direct link but not the RIL. It keeps redirecting me to a registration page I can't read. Sigh. Oh well, it gives me something to look for now, or maybe one of our Chinese members will see this and can help?
[HTC Sensation] chihliouma:
I am trying to upload the radio+ril files to mediafiles server......

here you go : http://www.mediafire.com/?hmkcx519c3azjs5
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I was able to download the PG58IMG.zip file, you could attach the RIL file to your post here on XDA if it is easier.

Got it, thanks again! Doh! out of thanks for the day, but I will be back tomorrow.

Update: I have not flashed the radio or RIL yet since so far I have unable to track down the official HTC provenance of these files. They appear to be legit as far as naming format and content names, but they are not present on the HTC FOTA public server, so they could be legit files that were withdrawn for a serious problem, or they might not be from HTC. Either possibility gives me some pause.

The PG58IMG.zip file contains not just a radio, but several other firmware files that I STRONGLY advise against flashing. If you flash it as-is, there is a fair possibility of bricking your phone.

If you really want to flash the new radio, I suggest either copying the radio.img file out and flashing it through the fastboot method described in the first post of this thread, or deleting these files from the PG58IMG.zip file first. You can open it using Windows Explorer and highlight these files and hit the delete key.

adsp.img

hboot_8x60_1.27.0000_20120113_signedbyaa.nb0

rcdata.img

rpm.img

sbl1.img

sbl2.img

sbl3.img

tz.img

Close Windows Explorer and you can then copy the PG58IMG.zip file your SD and flash it. However, I advise against it at this time until we can find out whether it came from HTC or not.
[HTC Sensation] smokin901:
What is up with new radio any changelogs has anyone tried it.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
No one has tried it yet that I am aware of, except probably the Chinese users on the site where this was posted, and I can't read the replies. Google translate is pretty worthless for translating that language.

I was really hoping to track down the RUU it came from, but no luck on that score, can't find a good download link. From my Google searches, it appears that there are some places that might be hosting it, but they all require signups and again and I can't read it or get a good translation. The OTA does not appear to be hosted on HTC's OTA server according to EddyOS, he said it might have been retracted or didn't really exist.

I will probably try it tonight when I get back home. I don't want to post it on the first page until I test it myself or someone does a good test and reports it back here. I am a bit tentative considering the source as well, I can't say that I have ever read anything about additional malware or spyware code being inserted into Android code from that source, but there is a first time for everything. Have to give this some thought before proceeding. :confused:

Update: Googling indicates that these files are from a Chinese ICS OTA named OTA_PYRAMID_LE_ICS_35_S_HTCCN_CHS_3.32.1400.112-1.76.1400.104_release_25361246owikvnfeyo2487.zip, but so far I have unable to find a working download for this OTA file. There are a number of sites which appear to have it hosted, but I can't get it downloaded due to no understanding of Chinese and google translate is not.

I have not flashed the radio or RIL yet since so far I have unable to track down the official HTC provenance of these files. They appear to be legit as far as naming format and content names, but they are not present on the HTC FOTA public server, so they could be legit files that were withdrawn for a serious problem, or they might not be from HTC. Either possibility gives me some pause.

The PG58IMG.zip file contains not just a radio, but several other firmware files that I STRONGLY advise against flashing. If you flash it as-is, there is a fair possibility of bricking your phone.

I advise against flashing any of it at this time until we can find out if it came from HTC or not.

If you really want to flash the new radio, I suggest either copying the radio.img file out and flashing it through the fastboot method described in the first post of this thread, or deleting these files from the PG58IMG.zip file first. You can open it using Windows Explorer and highlight these files and hit the delete key.

adsp.img

hboot_8x60_1.27.0000_20120113_signedbyaa.nb0

rcdata.img

rpm.img

sbl1.img

sbl2.img

sbl3.img

tz.img

Close Windows Explorer and you can then copy the PG58IMG.zip file your SD and flash it. However, I advise against it at this time until we can find out whether it came from HTC or not.
[HTC Sensation] smokin901:
The the zip is complete firmware and has 1.27.000 hboot which i am not sure if is unlocked and tz.img is different. not sure if i should flash tz.img as well.

removed everything else except for radio.img and repalced rcdata.img with tmobile dish3. updated ril then flashed radio. seems little fast will test for few days and let you know
[HTC Sensation] McLongDong:
I'm having a difficult time with mobile signal. I have 4G but at best, it's showing 3 bars with 3G. I tried the original patch from ARHD and of course the two DisHes: DisH1 and DisH2. No Luck. My signal strength is around -90dBm, which is extremely high. Is there any other fix you can recommend me trying?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Wow, thanks for trying that out! I have some messages out to the devs to see if there was any other info about this package but hadn't gotten much back yet.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
It seems like you have never been able to get good signal if I recall correctly. Didn't you post previously about losing all signal at one point? If that was you, what did you do to get it back?

The DisH files should have been DisH2 and DisH3, hopefully you did not use ro.ril.hspxa=1 value in build.prop?
[HTC Sensation] derekny:
region

do radios/rils have anything to do with regions, like do certain ones work better in certain locations?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
As far as I can tell, the radios are not region specific, however, some of the RILs in the first post seem to have been identified with certain areas or carriers, but that was before I took the thread over so I can't speak from personal knowledge there. I have read several posts on the old radio thread from people stating they had tried every radio/RIL pair (this was from the GB time frame, that thread was never updated with ICS radios) and they did not indicate that any of the combinations failed to work outright.

I have tried all the ICS radios, they all worked for me but yes, there was definitely variation between them.
[HTC Sensation] derekny:
i knew i was gonna have a lil trouble with this...." Change to the directory where your phone tools with adb.exe are located."...i open command promp but not sure how to change directory. i have all files in proper folders etc. ( i think)....i created folder phonetools & in that are "radioflashutils"folder & radioflashutils.zip.....in radioflashutils folder i have placed the PG58IMG.zip.....now i am stuck?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
you should be able to type cd\phonetools to change directory.
[HTC Sensation] McLongDong:
I don't think that was me. I never lost all of my signal, just poor signal reception. I used the .zip files from PaulGiz.