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[Defy General] jasonmax:
defy is tempting me with the current price...:)

720p??? ok I can live without that... :o Software update??? this is very tricky part.. anyway, I have you the amazing guys who will help me out in trying custom roms.. won't you? :D

finally my choice is.....wait... is it possible for optimus black's price to come down? may be in 2-3 months? :confused:
[Defy General] om4gus:
In jakarta, LG is cheaper than Defy, Rp 3.5M vs Rp 3.8 M. But I bought defy because its compact design :)
[Defy General] arpith.fbi:
yes..optimus black price will come down within a month according to a LG sales manager..but again..bottom line is u have to wait for a month or maybe 2!!

and within a month or 2 many more models will launch and again u will get confused.. new xperia series will be out this weekend..new mini pro, neo and all..so u may again get confused..so decide now only. :)
[Defy General] jasonmax:
Well.... decided to go with defy for its ruggedness and practical things...:D My wify too loves defy than lg! :rolleyes:

I don't know whether i'll get red lens or green... let's see...

I'm going to order my defy through letsbuy.com... with discount coupon, CTP (cost to pocket! :D) is INR 14,399 (Jabra bluetooth headset free)

I'm thinking to get 16 GB Transcend class 4 micro SD card also for INR 1180. Will it work with defy without any problems?
[Defy General] AkkiandDefy:
How did you did it?? Because I would also like to now if i have a Bayer or a SOC Cam.

EDIT: I got it :) LibSOCJordanCamera :(
[Defy General] TJKV:
Good choice!

Hey! I too had the exact same dilemma, Defy vs Black, until I ordered the former day before from flipkart. Glad to see you are choosing the Defy too :)

About the memory cards, do a search on this forum for micro SD card benchmarks, there are a couple of threads here and there. Basically random read/write speeds are the most important for android OS related performance as far as I can understand. Looking at them I concluded a class 4 card of 8 or 16 GB is the best bet right now (of a well known brand of course). I'll be buying an 8 GB one because 16 is too expensive for me right now.

Obviously the Optimus Black will have better support in the future for updates etc but Motorola Defy has (almost) official CM7 support going for it, so in a way the Defy is relatively future proof too, as much as is possible in our budgets.

The ruggedness is definitely a plus too, considering this is going to be my first full touchscreen phone. I'm used to normal feature phones that can take a few accidental drops here and there, and I become jittery looking at full featured smartphones like SGS2 and the like because of this. I don't think they would handle such falls very well.

My requirements are exactly the same, 1 thru 10 (Opening Post) but I'm not a developer. But anyway this is the right time to buy a Defy for people like us because prices are at an all time now. eBay lists it for around 14.7k, flipkart for 15.4k, and infibeam.com for 14k. Freebies on flipkart and letsbuy.com. It is available at retailers like univercell too but for at least 2k more than online.

I'm expecting the handset to be delivered this evening, concluding a nearly 1 yr long period of doing research, checking out the latest android phone rumors, making endless comparisons on gsmarena, lurking around xda forums of various phones :)

Good luck with your new phone, and if you are up for trying custom roms then do keep in touch cos I intend to dive into the world of android rooting, flashing, bricking, debricking, and all that stuff ;)
[Defy General] arpith.fbi:
i dont think u will have any problem..mine is working fine:)..14.3k is a gud deal..
[Defy General] jasonmax:
Glad to see a fellow Bangalorean here :) Thanks for your input on micro SD cards and the price information. I was just waiting for someone to clarify my doubt about micro SD card before checking out on letsbuy.com.

arpith.fbi, xdaid, superfastmonkey, gommers1978, overclockthesun, dheeraj_hotmale and om4gus... (forgive me if I left out anybody :p) made me come out of my confusion, especially arpith.fbi for pointing me towards practicability over just aesthetics...:)

I too have the same kind of dropping the phone problem...:D More than 50 times I dropped my Nokia N70...from bike, from steps, from dining table, from wash basin...!! In this raining season, n70 got completely wet and had to rush to nokia centre to bring it alive!! :D (one more reason to choose defy!)

Custom roms? I'll start torturing my defy from the day one...:D

have a nice weekend friends!
[Defy General] arpith.fbi:
i installed custom rom right after i took it out of the box..had to charge first..so used stock ROM for an hour..tats all..right after it was fully charged i started torturing my phone..went into all kind of problem during flashing.learned alot from my experience..
[Defy General] jasonmax:
OMG! you have got guts to do that man! :eek:

What if I don't want to flash custom rom and stay on stock rom and just want to OC that? Is the stock rom stable enough for day-to-day usages?

I learned through groubal.com Motorola campaign page that Motorola would push unlockable bootloader in software updates later this year. Is it true? or will it just be a campaign forever??? :confused:
[Defy General] arpith.fbi:
yea..stock roms r always safe and stable.. u can overclock it by rooting it..use setvsel to overclock and undervolt..

tats true moto will unlock bootloader later this year..probly with a gingerbread update :)..hopefully...

use stock rom for few days..if u get bored then torture ur phone..simple :P
[Defy General] TJKV:
Yup...I have been following the cm thread from quite a long time and have read a bit of your journey so far with cm7defy :)

I'm just waiting for the delivery guy from flipkart to hand me the phone, should have arrived by now :mad:

But I think I will play around with (rooted) stock for a few days + check out the sdk and adb etc before heading to cm and other roms.

I'm also excited about Vodafone launching 3G here, according to the big front page advt on today's TOI :) I was contemplating a port to either DOCOMO or BSNL until now :)
[Defy General] jasonmax:
Have you got your defy? how is it? red lens or green lens? tell us your first impression with defy :)

I'm eagerly waiting for your hands on review...
[Defy General] awo23:
i love my defy but lg black is newest and more stylish. price/performance always better defy though
[Defy General] jasonmax:
True, but will optimus black last for at least 3 years getting all kind of abuses from me?

I go to office daily by bike not by car. So, my phone is more prone to damages by rain, dust, impact and accidental drops.

I want android with durability. I think defy fulfills my requirements very well.
[Defy General] TJKV:
Good service by flipkart, fast delivery and good accessories (the freebies) but it is an SOC camera (commonly called green lens) :( :( :(

Other than that setback there is nothing wrong with the device, rock solid with CM nightlies, I haven't faced any of the problems others report on the CM thread. It is slightly smaller than I expected though, and I find typing really hard unless I use swype. But that may be because I'm not used to a touchscreen phone. Ofc I have tested the water resistance, it is amazing :D

Tell me when you get yours, SOC/Bayer camera, what you think of the phone etc :)
[Defy General] pravarth:
Hey there,

Have u decided where you are gonna buy it from?

I'd recommend flipkart if u are comfortable with buying online otherwise its really hard to find a defy in Bangalore. I bought mine around a month back. There was no stock in sangeeta, univercell and i also checked in mantri mall. Finally found one devendra telecom (jayanagar 4th block). But it cost 16.5k. Also my friend got it from meenakshi mall(bannerghatta road) around 2 weeks back for 15.5k

PS: both of got the march 2011 manufactured phone with red lens

Since you said ur budget is 20k you could check nexus s which is available only in flipkart for 19999. I know its a samsung phone, but it is worth a look since its a much better choice than defy and optimus black wrt to its gpu and also has a gyro sensor among few other things.
[Defy General] jasonmax:
I bought my notebook from flipkart. Nice service. But I'm thinking to buy it from letsbuy.com.

How about the earpiece on your defy? I heard that defy manufactured before march has earpiece problem...:(

Yeah, nexus s is a good phone in terms of software update. But it looks like a toy to me. It doesn't have micro SD card slot and comes with S LCD...:( and Samsung doesn't have a good design sense... I hate the curve on the back panel.

I have only these options under 20k (based on my choices):

1. Samsung Galaxy S LCD GT I9003 - 19,899

2. Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 - 19,999

3. HTC Desire - 18,599

4. LG Optimus Black P970 - 19,989

5. Motorola Defy - 15,399

Other options if I increase my budget slightly:

1. Samsung Galaxy S I9000 - 20,999

2. HTC Desire S - 22,399

So, I don't have many options in 20-22k range and no phone has the ruggedness of defy..:rolleyes:
[Defy General] pravarth:
Three of my friends have the defy and one of them bought it last year and has the green lens. The other guy got it from letsbuy with red lens around 2 months back (it was Rs16100 back then i think). Both of them had their earpiece checked (they had the mark on the battery compartment). Which means it was checked and has no defects (This is what they said, im not sure). They ve nvr had any problems as well

But then mine and the other guy (the one i talked abt in the previous post) both of mar 2011 dint have that mark. Till now i dont see any problem and i think they must have corrected the defect.

So if you get the older one just check if your earpiece was checked.

In anycase even if it does have a problem, you can just send it to the service center with warranty.
[Defy General] jasonmax:
It seems that letsbuy.com sells July 2011 manufactured devices... If it's so, I will not have any earpiece problem... hopefully.

I'm about to make a final decision on buying defy by the end of this week. Before that, I want to make sure anybody who bought June or July manufactured defy has such problems. Trying to be safe! :D
[Defy General] keewanchoapsss:
If im honest mate the defy is nice but motorola are idiots who bringing out a defy+ soon. Same device but with ginger. Just wait for that, but I dont recommend a motorola! Bad service on some awesome devices. And lg have made the optimus black well, it gorgeous, nice screen, its really thin and not too large. It has a ginger update too!!
[Defy General] alaageria:
I have both phones but use my defy on a daily bases the LG's software is the worst ,buggiest out there it really doesn't utilize the full capabilities of the the processor

I my self develop some applications and prefer to use the defy as a testing device
[Defy General] TJKV:
Not to mention the Nexus S doesn't have gorilla glass either, big minus on the ruggedness scale.

About the earpiece, I had a small "incident" when I was showing off the water resistance to my friend. The ear piece emitted some crackling sound when it entered the water, and later was half as loud as it was before. But a few minutes later it came back to life, i guess it was just blocked by some drops of water :)

Good choice about not buying from flipkart, they give you a brand new piece manufactured very recently, that unfortunately has the SOC camera module :(. I have a July manufactured device, with SOC. So if you can find someone selling slightly older devices (but not so old that i has ear piece issues) you might get a Bayer camera. I'd guess april-may-beginning of june may be the best.
[Defy General] sach1000rt:
Samsung Galaxy S I9000 is priced at 20999 Rs. on letsbuy right now, after applying icici coupon it comes down to 19800 Rs.
[Defy General] arpith.fbi:
dere is a change in defy price...new low

Best Price: Rs. 13,999
[Defy General] juried:
Another plus for Defy is it easily outperforms the vast majority of other phones, smart or not, in reception sensitivity. So, much better coverage in marginal areas.
[Defy General] TJKV:
Personal opinions about the defy...

I just bought an 8 GB Class 4 Sandisk card from flipkart to go with my new defy, performs well :)

But some testing revealed that the write speeds of the 2 GB card (Sandisk, unknown class) is 6-8MB/sec while my new one is around 4. But read speeds are totally skewed, the 2 GB clocking in around 13MB/sec but the 8 GB is being read at 26MB/sec! Weird...

I transferred some of my music to the card and boy, the defy loudspeaker is LOUD (and good sounding ofc). This is something I hadn't read in any of the reviews online. The phone literally vibrates at high volumes! The CM7 music app also rocks, sound quality in my opinion is better (loudspeaker and headphones) than in PowerAMP with a cleaner interface :)

But this is just my personal opinion. I'm no audiophile, 192kbit/sec mp3's are enough for me :)
[Defy General] Kazid:
Have more than 8 mouths that i have my Defy. I'm very happy with it, but if i had a option to choose in some time ago, i would been got the LG. Defy could be a life-proof, but i don't like the thing of don't know how long i will update my cellphone by myself. I've go a green lense, so i have no intent to got a 720p video yet. I don't live near a beach or desert, so sand-proof is not important to me. Water-proof maybe, but since i'm very careful with my things, i had never need something like this yet.

Even happy with my Defy, i say to you, get the LG!
[Defy General] jasonmax:
Defy+ is official now!

Whoa! Defy+ is official now! Motorola announced yesterday after the acquisition of Motorola Mobility by Google.. It's a good news for me because I have yet to place my order for Defy due to lot of confusions.

I don't know when will it be released in India. I'm again confused whether should I wait for Defy+ or go with the current Defy.

Source:

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_gets_officially_announced-news-3003.php
[Defy General] TJKV:
Guaranteed, Defy+ will be more expensive than the current Defy price.

But you do get official overclocking, better battery life without having to spend extra for extended battery, higher probability of unlocked bootloader, official support for gingerbread etc.

And actual date of when I will be available is unknown...so it may be a while.

Personally, I would wait. In fact I'm wishing I did wait before buying mine 2 weeks back :P
[Defy General] saurav_k:
@jasonmax

Did you buy the Defy recently lat 7-10 days from letsbuy? Anyone else bought the defy from letsbuy in last 1-2 weeks? Which lens did you get? Green/Red?

I am also in the same dilemma.

1) Whether I will get a green lens or a red one?

2) Should I wait for Defy+? Abviously its price will be high but maybe that will cause Defy's price to significantly reduce. It is also a possibility that Defy will not be manufactured at all after the release of Defy+

I am also itching to buy it asap but almost the same confusions as you are having :)
[Defy General] zakoo2:
you will get a green lensed one for sure. red lensed defys ARE the defy+, only with a better battery, nothing else (oh, and of course the ugly painting). i would spend extra money just to buy a defy+ instead of a defy. lets see: both have the same hardware, except battery, and the camera module (which means you cant tweak the defy to record 720p). software-wise you cant get official gingerbread working on the defy (with green lens) properly. BUT if the defy+ gets an unlocked bootloader, we will get it too, and until then, we have cyanogenmod, which is way better than any official rom. so id still rather buy a defy than a defy+, especially because of the looks...
[Defy General] jasonmax:
It's likely that defy may get unlocked bootloader because of Google's acquisition. If it happens, it will definitely open the door for many possibilities. We may even get custom kernels. But it's uncertain..:(

The problem is once defy+ is released, defy will likely be discontinued... that's what pulling me back from buying defy... I don't want my phone to be discontinued soon after buying it...:(

I don't know why the hell my first android phone buying drives me nuts...:eek:

Pros:

1. Great piece of hardware

2. Ruggedness

3. Affordability

4. Pocketable and attractive design

5. CM7

Cons:

1. No official gingerbread (we have cm7)

2. Locked bootloader (hmm... will be good if it gets unlocked)

3. Likely to be discontinued after defy+ (sad...:()

4. No 720p recording possibility on green lens

See, more number of pros than cons.. If I can live without 720p, there is no such a deal than defy at the moment... I'm trying to convince myself now...:D
[Defy General] jasonmax:
I'll wait for Defy+

Well, defy+ is going to be launched in Germany next month... Probably, I can expect it in India in couple of months... hope so...

So, my final decision:

I'll hold my breath and wait for Defy+ :D No other phone than Defy+:rolleyes:
[Defy General] dh33r4j:
Man, seriously!

When you got 20k in hand, why would you go for any other phone in this world other than the Nexus S!
[Defy General] dh33r4j:
You don't need to increase your budget of the Samsung Galaxy S.

At 'indiaplaza' you can get it for Rs. 18980.
[Defy General] ryan8r:
Nexus S. End of!!
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexusSlide:
I've had my Slide for well over a year and still can't seem to get it to stay at 844 mhz without freezing and rebooting. Is there any way I can clock it there without reboots or is it just I have a bad CPU?
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bunu:
Not really, it depends on the quality of the chip inside your phone. I can't stay at 864 for more than 2 min before my phone freezes and reboots and that is with any ROM or kernel.
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexusSlide:
Makes sense, I've read on forums that some are running at 864 with no problems at all. I might just have a crap chip inside mine. Can't go above 825 without issue
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexusSlide:
I think I've figured it out. using SetCPU I've changed sampling rate to 12500 and up threshold to 96%. Been running all day without a single reboot even ran some pretty cpu intensive games like fruit ninja and age of zombies without problem. Only issue is rio seems to freeze and force close but the phone itself still runs fine.
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SKAm69:
I'm not 100% sure but I noticed that my Slide could run 844 Mhz without reboots with Miguel's kernel, but not with a CM7 stock kernel. Unfortunately miguelthekernel has become outdated and doesn't work properly with new nightlies so I'm back to 825.
[HD2 Android Themes and Apps] pjrmax403:
Has anyone found a good outdoors daylight viewing theme for our HD2?

I work outside and have a hard time seeing whats on my phone.

Using Typhoon's rom and Go Launcher, but may be willing to change.

Thank You for reading request:):)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jstdjsf:
I am running 2.3.4 Revolution HD rom, the dialer is sucking 10% battery a day and this is for no seemingly valid reason. I read up on forum and it seems there is some issue with the sense dialer with no working solution. so here are my quiestions if you can answer them,

1) If I just download some dialer like Go Dialer, without uninstalling the default dialer will it still consume the battery??

2) If it is still going to use the battery then is there any way to remove just the sense dialer??

3) What are my other options??

Thanks in advance guys!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Michse222:
In my opinion removing the dialer won't solve your problems. I have been dealing with them a loooooong time. The problem is not the dialer itself but the sensors being constantly used. The dialer uses them quite often - as well as Sygic (navigation software), iOnRoad, Maxthon and a few other ones I forgot (basically every program using sensors could cause the same troubles).

"Battery History for GB" states that the dialer is using my sensors for 1d 15h 23m and the other programs used it for 19h 42m straight.

IonRoad didn't even run since Sunday but its still using the sensors.

A solution could be to stop the systems sensor usage after the program (which used them) has been closed. I thought I read about a fix in one of the custom kernels... but I can't find it anymore :(

Many called the battery usage displayed faulty - honestly I don't know if it's right or wrong... In my case that would be up to 40% of my 50% battery drainage - quite alot!

Nevertheless a fix for this would bring more battery power... and every additional minute would be highly appreciated by me :D
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phanikumarpvs:
Try using a different ROM!!!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paul1508:
I got a PVT4 Desire rooted S-ON and want to backup my current ROM.

I would like to use ClockworkMod Recovery, but can I flash it on recovery without S-OFF?

And I don't want to flash alpharev and hboot without a recovery. Is there any possibility getting a new working Version on my PVT4?

Thank you!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebugyi:
What recovery do you have now?

What version do you want flash (I mean version of CWM)?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aticatac:
Did you search the forum? Check http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1002930
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paul1508:
Now I got the one RomManager downloads and flashes = 2.5.0.7 <-- won't work with PVT4 Desire

I want the best/newest I can get with S-ON. Is 3.2.0.1 the newest for desire?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebugyi:
I think it is.

But the only way to flash it permanently (as S-ON) is the Unrevoked root tool.

Which means, you have to select the recovery (as custom recovery) in Unrevoked and root again.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aticatac:
There is no "best". Take the one that suits your needs and, more importantly, is working. Here's the CWM thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1039954

And here's the 4EXT thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1154221

Take your pick and let unrevoked do the rest.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paul1508:
Yep, but there is no thread. The thread you linked does not help me.

Thank you, if it's that easy i just root again, thank u!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebugyi:
But don't forget to download the recovery in .IMG format and select as CUSTOM RECOVERY when starting Unrevoked.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aticatac:
Well, the last posting in that thread says to use unrevoked with a custom recovery image, but davebugyi's answer is quite as good :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebugyi:
Just to make sure thing will go right :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paul1508:
Where can I get this .img i can use with unrevoked? I don't know if i can use any of it?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k3lcior:
http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=661319&stc=1&d=1311251519

Unpack this, and select recovery.img in unrevoked.

md5sum zip: f9a2b7cbbc9ca67d5a9fd76109d25e63
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bortak:
Personally I'd just S-OFF your phone, in my opinion that's just the easier way.. that and having the addition of extra options of a. easier to fix your phone of something goes wrong and b. having the option of flashing different SPL/Hboot c. having the option of flashing different radios d. perma-flashing recoveries is easier

S-OFF'ing with revolutionary is a breeze and takes under a minute...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] paul1508:
4EXT is some other Recovery, not CwM? I think I'll S-OFF it a after the holidays ;) means net saturday/sunday ;)

Thank you!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MatDrOiD:
Yep, it's not cwm recovery.

Swyped from Oxygen with Transparent XDA App