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[HTC Sensation] The Illest 619:
radio question

probably a dumb question and its only out of curiosity as the 11.72.3504.00U combo gave me an extra bar and great data speeds but when I flash any of the radios listed as 11.72.3504.00U for example it shows up as 11.72.3504.00P under my phones settings under the info area.

can anyone tell me whats the difference between the "U" and "P" letters?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I believe it is different due to your carrier using UMTS vs. HSDPA.
[HTC Sensation] smokin901:
Ot but okia phones are always known for their good network reception and battery life. My last Nokia e90 use to give 10hr of continuous talk time and 7 days of standby which I can only dream of on sensation. My wife and I use same carrier but she uses Nokia C7 while my phone is struggling to locate network her phone has atleast 2 bars in same area.

Coming back to topic if i put protective cover on then signal strength reduces a bit but without it is much better, this may be the case for you aswell
[HTC Sensation] The Illest 619:
weird. i thought tmobile used hsdpa networks, at least here in san diego they do. the speedtest results seem pretty fast. almost 10mb down, 3.5 mb up.

guess i shouldnt worry about it if it isnt causing a problem.

thanks.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Right, if TMO is using HSPDA in San Diego then it should up in your phones info as "P".
[HTC Sensation] The Illest 619:
yeah i completely missed that. [insert face palm image here ]

been up all night reading and flashing as i havent updated my phone since arhd 3.6.

thanks again.
[HTC Sensation] awil95:
OK thanks. But quick question about the Build.prop file. Can i just add the nessesary lines [ro.ril.hsxpa=?] & [ro.ril.radio.svn=2] to the build.prop in the Radio Section? or just at the very bottom of the file. I am running AOSP ICS.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I don't believe it matters where it is in the file if it is only in there once.
[HTC Sensation] AndroidNeophyte:
Those letters are really weird :)... Mine actually change from U to P after i flashed dish 3... My wife's radio version still shows U and havent really flash any dish files on her phone... Even on GB days, hers was stock with U and mine was P with custom Rom... Anyway, it works good lol... Now i just learn to ignore it but still wonders...

Edit: we use the same radio and no difference with d/l and u/l speed :) and signal is the same
[HTC Sensation] mo976:
So after trying some of the new radios 11.69/11.69a/11.72 all with the ril 4.0.0024 and settling on the 11.69a, I began experimented with some of the dish files.

The new tmo dish2 from 3.32 gets me the best pings 130ms ish and Download speeds 2000+ kbps but it halved my upload speed from about 600kbps to 300. Dish3 got me 130ms 1300kbps and 600kbps with the old dish2 being the slowest performer by about a third. So maybe changing to the ril 4.0.0017 would help but that seemed to make it all worse though ping speeds remained the same. Would a different dish file help (see hunnybearlewis's post here ) well the 4.0.0017 dish3 combo netted better results then the dish2 combos but overall the new dish2 along with the 11.69a ril 4.0.0024 combo was the most consistent.

My testing method while not perfect is just to give an idea of the effects of a new ril or dish files on DL/UL speeds. My tests were in my office on the ground floor with the phone in the same spot on my desk using the speed test app. I am on the orange IL (Israel) network.

Apparently the dish files do affect performance on other networks. (My phone is a tmo branded 4g if that makes a difference.) All my results were the average of 5 tests using the final result (though peak speeds were higher) and bad tests were ignored.
[HTC Sensation] ianoob:
In the Cincinnati area, my best speeds have been 11.69a radio, .24 ril, dish3, and build prop values cleaned up (duplicate entries removed) and changed to:

ro.ril.hsdpa.category=10

ro.ril.hsupa.category=7

ro.ril.hsxpa=3

Vs my wife's stock tmous ICS setup, I am at +2000kbps download and +1500kbps upload. Averages out to 7000kbps download and 2500kbps upload for me.
[HTC Sensation] awil95:
Do you live in the Cincinnati, OH area? Cause I live in the Indianapolis, IN area. What did you change the build.prop files for? I understand the ro.ril.hsxpa=3 is for the Dish3. But what did changing the other values do?
[HTC Sensation] ianoob:
Yes, OH :)

I didn't change the hsdpa value. I've played with it in the past and since our phone isn't hapsa+ we can't take advantage of a better number (say 14).

I found while playing with the hsupa value, I get a nice bump in upload speed on 7 vs 6.

All the value meanings are described in a CM thread, I'll see if I can find the link.
[HTC Sensation] awil95:
Thanks for the info. I don't live in an area where i can get 3G/4G so i am always running on EDGE. Are you running Sense or AOSP. I am running ICS AOSP. Modified ROM of CM9 (Hypersensation v2.9) and none of those lines of text were in my build.prop file. I had to personally add them into it. I also had to add the lines for the Dish files. That has helped my speeds on EDGE some.
[HTC Sensation] ianoob:
I bounce between Beats by Grogg, Smart Droid Beserk, and Eye Candy. Those values should be in every ROM :confused: but are lower in the build.prop in euro based ROMs than tmous based.

Here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=838388 is a tread describing the values, not the one I used for comparison but looks the same. I also found it on wiki but 3 pages lol.
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
Again, the "hard" limit is defined in rcdata. If you set the hsupa category to 7 in rcdata, you'll find the phone will bootloop. Setting to 7 in build.prop and seeing better results is just a coincidence.

FWIW, I found a place in NYC where I can get 7mbit down. Last time I was there, I used 11.69A and 4.0.0017 RIL. This time I changed to 11.72 and 4.0.0035 (Ville RIL). Same result. Both were with dish=3. I edited build.prop to change radio.svn to 2 (mismatched) and saw the same results.
[HTC Sensation] ianoob:
Idk, it works for me. More noticeable in bad signal areas. I tested by leaving the radio and ril alone, change only 1 value in the build.prop at a time, wipe, test and repeat.
[HTC Sensation] zim2dive:
Any impact on Voice call quality ? ie. signal strength under settings/AboutPhone/Network/SignalStrength?

I'm not a heavy data user, so my big benefit would be better reception for voice calls. Changing radios only, (did not touch dish yet), I saw very little difference :(
[HTC Sensation] craven667:
what is the difference in the radios last time i messed with them was on sprint and its was a rome list more then a radio file and same question for ril files and what is a dish i just flashed 4.0x ril and 11.72 radio in fl
[HTC Sensation] ianoob:
Sorry, these settings don't affect sigal strength. Since you don't use a lot of data, you could try setting the phone to gsm only vs prefer wcdma. It is one of the ## options. At work and can't remember which one, will post it when I get home.
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
*#*#4636#*#*

gsm only (or preferred if there's such an option) may get you better battery life and signal if voice is more important and you don't use data much.
[HTC Sensation] :
Is there a RIL/Radio you prefer for germany?

I currently have big connection problems with the Charmeleon ROM.
[HTC Sensation] shinglers:
T-Mobile is right in the middle of a nation wide network upgrade. By the end of the year we will see LTE3 and hspda+, which means T-Mobile customers will see data speeds of 22 mips+! So if your having speed issues or dropped calls, like I am in Chicago, its because of the upgrades...hang tight by December it will be rocking again!! I'll find the article and post it back here.
[HTC Sensation] shinglers:
http://www.extremetech.com/electron...progress-on-network-upgrade-begins-lte-trials
[HTC Sensation] zim2dive:
WHEN we have reception it might be better, but if the TMo frequencies can't penetrate buildings well, how will this matter?

EDIT: and PS.. I'd love to be wrong about this.. just tired of losing my connection every time I walk in to a store.
[HTC Sensation] tgeske88:
I messed up

Ive messed around so much with my sensation before and never had a problem before. Never messed with the radio/ril till today. Below was shown before I updated the radio

Rev-in pink

hboot- 1.27.1100

radio- 11.21.3504.13_2

OpenADSP-v02.6.0.226.00.0104

Flashed all ICS roms before, superCID, FW is 3.32

Then I flashed from the 3.32.709.108 RUU

11.69A.3504.00_11.23.3504.07_M2 & HTC-RIL 4.0.0017HMQ

After flashing the radio i rebooted into my rom, and bam! No signal... Then i flashed the matching ril, rebooted and still nothing. So i tried a few other radio's and ril's and still cant get a signal. I verified my tmobile usa APN's from here

I even tried to flash the stock ics rom to see if I could get a signal and still nothing. Can anybody offer any input? I can only connect to wifi now.

Edit: i had the back cover off the whole time, and once I put it back on BAM- full signal. Make sure you put your phone cover back on so you GET A SIGNAL!
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
*#*#4636#*#*

phone settings

make sure it's set to wcdma preferred.

not sure why but that's setting's been changing itself very frequently on me without me doing anything.

In the past, it's been going to GSM only, and I'll be stuck on EDGE. This happened even when I stopped using wifi calling (tmobile).

Recently, it's been switching to cdma + lte/evdo auto. I don't understand why that keeps happening.

Also, make sure your radio is turned on.
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
What is the preferred setting for tmous, wcmda or gsm? And could you explain why which setting it should be? Thanks
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I never let my phone auto-switch between GSM and WCDMA. I leave it on GSM only whenever I am inside a building because TMOs WCDMA signals don't go through buildings very well, and if I leave it on auto then it will switch back and forth all day sucking my battery dry. Even when there is only 1 bar vs 3/4 bars it will still switch back and forth. I am actually very fortunate in the past couple of days however in that the network guys have allowed my WiFi Calling to get outside the corporate network and register with the TMO servers. It had been blocked for months prior. :(

If I am outside AND I am going to be using the Internet then I will switch it to WCDMA only.

As far as which one, it depends on your usage patterns and how well your area is covered. WCDMA is obviously going to allow a much higher possible speed. My area is pretty decent for GSM, but just ok for WCDMA. If I was a little closer to Vegas proper it would be better, obviously they cover the strip and the city with more towers.
[HTC Sensation] boldt_action:
Which radio/ril did you end up using? I'm using mine on Rogers and was looking for a good combo.
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
Hm well my phone is set to GSM/WCDMA autom. IS this ok? In side my hospital the signal is better if it is GSM only but then the internet is slow....never used this options till this post
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
It should work fine for reception and operation, just in my case at least I can't leave it like that else my battery will die before I get home from work.
[HTC Sensation] ldefeo1:
hi i am runnning arhd 6.6.7 a few problems though.

firstly my signal fluctuates a lot, i have noticed that when using the mobile network with wifi off, i tend to lose signal after a minute or so. upon turning wifi on or not using mobile network it seems to come back. really wierd. would this help?

anyway

1) do i need to be s-off to do this or is htc dev unlocked enough

2) i dont have ro.ril.radio.svn= in my build prop yet i have 2 instances of ro.ril.hspxa=3 what should i do?

3) once i go and change those values and stick that on my sd card and reboot into bootloader and hit flash right?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Not positive but I believe HTC dev unlocked will work ok.

I would add the ro.ril.radio.svn line. If both lines with ro.ril.hspxa are set to 3 then you can ignore it, or delete one of the lines if you like.

That is correct for the radios and the DisH files. RILs get flashed in recovery.
[HTC Sensation] tekken1972:
Bad Signal

My phone has RIL 4.0.0024HMQ and baseband 11.23.3504.07_M2, i am on stock ics 3.32.415.115, should i change to

11.23.3504.08_M2 ????
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
If you are getting bad signal then you might consider trying a different radio. Any of the ICS radios can work, but depending on your phone and region some radio may work better than the others.
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
new radio from italian htc sensation 11.76a.3504.00u_11.24a.3504.31_m and his the same radio team venom post here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1671547

PS new firm 3.33.401.6
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Thanks for the update, I got it added to the second post and will test it myself later this week.
[HTC Sensation] slavislavi:
Which RIL is for this radio?
[HTC Sensation] paranull:
just added to my host + md5 checksum ;)

http://trainbit.com/folders/3798189884/Sensation_Radios_amp_RILs

regards
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Good question, I was about to ask if the OP knew or could run RILinfos or something. Since it is a Ville RUU port, I would say it probably comes with one of the Ville RILs 4.0.0035 or 4.0.0036 which we already had and are in the second post, or it might be a new Ville RIL. I have to go to work, but I will investigate it later tonight when I get home.
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
little explain this radio is from nobrand europe sensation and sensation xe update not from ville or other phone.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1746624

For ril users says this is the new OTA

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=28178583&postcount=3
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Interesting, hmmm. What RIL is it using please?
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
i dont know =/ if you are interested explain and i try to help you
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
To check what RIL you have to run getprop "gsm.version.ril-impl" (with the quotes) in Terminal Emulator or run this from a command prompt on your PC when connected with the USB cable.

adb shell getprop "gsm.version.ril-impl"

and it will print out the RIL version. Or use the RILInfos app h/t cb1100r
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
I just flash the radio and i start to get signal problems when i send mms....then flash the ril 4.00.0035 and my problem is gone...
[HTC Sensation] noodles2k:
which radio did you flash?

and which ril did you have before flashing the radio?
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
4.0.0037HMQ
[HTC Sensation] eterno13:
Latest 11.76
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Ok, so that is a later one than the ones I have so far. When I get home after work in about 10 hours I will extract the RIL files and package them up and post it. Thank you!
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
no problems guy thank you
[HTC Sensation] mo976:
Just installed the 11.76a radio from 3.33ota (with the 4.0.0.24 ril). Since Israel uses the same band (2100) as Europe I figure I might net better results but speeds are consistent with what I have seen here at home about 2mbps down 1mbps up. Guess I will see how the 4.0.0.37 ril affects things once that goes up.
[HTC Sensation] jbl200:
I flashed the whole firmware from baad.

Also waiting for the ril :)
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
If you flashed that 3.33 and didn't get errors, you can extract the ril files for the rest of us yourself. I'm too busy (lazy) right now to find the original 3.32 to apply the diff patches to.

/system/bin/rild

/system/lib/libhtc_ril.so

/system/lib/libril.so

Those are the files needed

do verify that you are on 4.0.0037 first
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Well, that was good work for not much. OK, since baad has already integrated the OTA patches I am downloading IC 6.0.0 now and I will get the RIL from it. 15 more minutes.
[HTC Sensation] HunnyBearLewis:
I'm on the latest radio, and after flashing the .0036 RILs and turning wifi on then off my data connection wouldn't come back.

I wiped the caches, fixed permissions, wiped all partitions and reflashed OpenSensation along with the RILs again...no luck, even with the .0035 RILs. Then tried going back to the .0024 RILs and after booting up my data was fully connected and at full strength (where it usually hovers around 2-3 bars...I know they aren't accurate or precise but still...)

So for me, latest radio with .0035 or .0036 RILs didn't give me data while .0024 RILs did. It's likely just a fluke and others will have perfect data but just thought felt like sharing after wiping/flashing for the past two hours. :cyclops:
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
*#*#4636*#*# and see that it's set to WCDMA preferred.

I have an issue where that setting likes to change on its own too often for no reason. Usually it's to GSM only, so I get stuck with EDGE, but sometimes it switches to CDMA/LTE or something like that, and I'll get voice but no data.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Sorry for the delays. To briefly explain, the OTA did not contain the whole files, but patches to the existing files. I was trying to get to the point of applying the patches to get the final files, realized it wasn't going to work, so I asked for someone to upload the RIL files, but then I saw baad had already integrated the OTA into IC6.0.0, so no point in continuing,

Anyways, here is the new 4.0.0037 RIL package, I tested it and am running it on my phone now. :D

Hmm, something seems to be wrong with attachments right now, tried it and got the 404 too, sorry about that. I tried deleting and re-adding it, no luck, so I removed the attachment.
[HTC Sensation] chihliouma:
i there, the attachment link is broken. Can you check ? Thanks.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Sorry, had to do some work IRL. :( It seems like the attachments lately have taken a few minutes to sync up or something, but then it straightens out after a bit. I see 65 downloads already so it looks fine now.

Update: Sorry again, I just clicked on it and got the 404 too. :(

Dev-Host:HTC-RIL_4.0.0037HMQ.zip

Dropbox: HTC-RIL_4.0.0037HMQ.zip
[HTC Sensation] the.decoy:
Radio image for Telstra ICS users

I realise that demand for this is probably low but here is the Radio image from the much delayed and finally released Australian Telstra ICS update (OTA_PYRAMID_ICS_Telstra_WWE_3.32.841.15-1.45.841.5).

Radio 11.69A.3504.00P_11.23.3504.07_M2

I would also upload the RIL files but it actually just uses the HTCCN ril on the 1st post (HTC-RIL_4.0.0024HMQ) - I have CHECKSUM compared all of the ril files to be sure.

Anyway, just posting it in case any other folks who use a PG5811000 on Telstra NextG network wanted it for running with their custom roms.

Sorry but I haven't bothered packaging it in a PG58IMG.zip so in it's current form you would need to unzip and flash it with fastboot.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Looks like the same 11.69A radio we already had then. :( I always hope for new ones when the new updates for various regions come out but sometimes they just use an existing radio and RIL.
[HTC Sensation] the.decoy:
So the "00P" vs "00U" isn't important?

Ok, no worries. At least any people who have done this OTA but gone back to custom roms will know which ril goes with it. :-)
[HTC Sensation] awil95:
Can I use the new Italian radio 11.76A.... with ICS and 3.32 firmware?
[HTC Sensation] kekkojoker90:
:good: yes
[HTC Sensation] vault1965:
I have good results here in Italy with latest radio and ril. Signal is better, i dare say much better than before. Now, i need to see if it drains battery, i will post my results here.
[HTC Sensation] mo976:
Installed the new ril but I will have to wait till I am home to see how my UL/DL speeds are compared to the .0.24ril. Other then that signal is a drop better and call quality seems the same.

Thanks
[HTC Sensation] bruce2728:
New radio and ril working fine on o2uk
[HTC Sensation] vernon092487:
yes you can.
[HTC Sensation] Zico 10:
Flashed your version of the file, and in About it shows up as 00U.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I think the U or P is for UMTS or HSPDA. It doesn't matter, ignore it.
[HTC Sensation] zim2dive:
What the difference between this and Settings->MobileNetwork->NetworkMode

?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Going through the *#*#4636#*#* menu gives you some more options, other than that no difference.
[HTC Sensation] soza971:
failed : remote not allowed for me with last RIL
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Flashing the RIL through recovery? Never seen that with a RIL flash, just with the radio through fastboot.
[HTC Sensation] soza971:
sorry you right got this message with radio thought adb not with RIL
[HTC Sensation] laxin:
The latest radio is heavier on the battery :mad:
[HTC Sensation] laxin:
Btw i get much better reception. Could updating my firmware to 3.33 solve the battery drain issue? I'm on Cm9.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Might be worth a try, I haven't flashed the new radio yet, just got off call for work so I might do it tonight.
[HTC Sensation] The Illest 619:
yeah any feedback on the new radio is appreciated. I'm actually happy with the data speeds I have now, but sometimes my signal just drops so low. especially in the house. wonder if the new radio would slightly improve this.

gotta work soon, but ill probably test it out tonight, and report back.
[HTC Sensation] HunnyBearLewis:
Welp, by chance and tons of flashing the problem corrected itself - however, I don't doubt it will happen again and I will definitely use your suggestion, thanks!

---------- Post added at 11:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:51 AM ----------

I haven't had time to test it extensively but with latest radio my download and upload speeds have been consistently higher by about .5-1 Mb/s (not MB/s lol).

There is a downside, for me at least, my ping hovered around 1000-1200 ms...which made me sad. So to initially connect to "4G" took forever but the speeds would stay high after that. That was with the .0024 RIL, but just downloaded the .0037 so hopefully my luck will be better.
[HTC Sensation] smokin901:
With latest radio very bad connectivity. Data connects but very slow speed.

Well vodafone karnataka has gone nuts from few days so will try again with different provider.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
Seeing no differences with new new radio/ril. Hunky dory as usual
[HTC Sensation] :
in Italy the signal is improved with the new radio
[HTC Sensation] slayergreg:
Anyone in the Seattle area here and if so any recommendations for ril and radio for this area?
[HTC Sensation] q9650:
The new radio gives me random reboots and connection problems (shows signal but cant send Messages/make calls).
[HTC Sensation] soza971:
Flashed it yesterday running it with opensensation dont notice any problem

Sent From My Sensation XE...
[HTC Sensation] TobiasR:
Same here, running newest radio and RIL is definetely an improvement over the Ville RIL and the radio I found matching best...
[HTC Sensation] marcjw:
I was skeptical about some of the reports I was seeing with the new 11.76a radio. But after trying it out on my 7/1 OS I can say fairly confidently that it really does seem to provide me a little better signal strength than the 11.72 I've been using. Not orders of magnitude better but noticable. My not-even-close-to-exhaustive tests showed that it didn't seem to matter if I used the new .0037 RIL or the .0024 that I've been using so for now I'll stick with the .0024 RIL.

There does seem to be a possible drawback though. After the phone has been sitting idle for awhile it seems to lose 3g-4g. It only wants to do Edge. It's fairly easy to fix (check, then uncheck the "only use 2G" switch) but I'm going to keep an eye on this one. If this behavior is persistent or if I find it too annoying I'm going back to 11.72.

If you're wondering, I did not apply any Dish files for any of my tests. I wonder if they're even relevant for the new radio?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I just flashed the new 11.76A radio, running with the 4.0.0037 RIL and the DisH3 file, seems to be slightly faster and the hspa signal is just a tiny bit stronger and more consistent throughout the house.
[HTC Sensation] anees27:
Does anyone have a rcdata.img for Vodafone UK ?

The rcdata.img file referenced to at the beginning of this post is Italian specific, be it Vodafone as well. The settings in that file are not 100% suited for Vodafone UK

Thanks...