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[HTC Sensation] el7145:
Well I flashed the 11.72 radio on top of my tmobile firmware 3.32.501, and my phone wouldnt access data speeds any higher then 2G (Edge)...why would i have that issue, seems really weird

EDIT: after looking in my phone settings my network settings were on gsm only, so i changed that to gsm/wcdma auto, that should fix it, right? (im not in an area to test atm), would flashing a radio change the settings like that?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I can't say that I have ever seen a radio flash do that. Seems more likely to be a ROM flash or some settings reset. I never leave mine on auto, it will switch back and forth all day and suck the battery dry. I leave it on GSM only unless I know I am going to be in a decent coverage area and I will be using the phone, then I change it to WCDMA only.
[HTC Sensation] mikeydee81:
Im gonna come out and say ive had sporadic results no matter what setup i try. Im on TMO USA running ARHD 1.10 (New build based on TMO rom) 3.32.531 firmware and ive tried multiple radios and dish settings.

And when i say sporadic...i mean even with the same setups.

examples.... Dish 2 and 11.69.....ill get on reading...than 5 mintues later get a completely different reading in the same spot on my comfy couch.

Dish 3 same radio....initally better...then worse...then better again...then worse again!!

tried 11.72 radio also. same thing. everything is inconsistent.

and with everything i try..i sit in the same spot...have 3 bars for a few minutes...then drops to no bars...then 2 bars...blah blah. blah.

Its been real frustrating since swithcing to ICS...thats all i can say. And i can live with the data speeds fluctuating but its annoying having signal (strong signal i might add) one second and absolutely no signal the next second.....without moving an inche
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
Thanks, thats good to know

honestly i dont have alot of faith in the ARHD 1.10rom, i tried it, and it seemed very sloppily done in my opinion, i dont know if this will help but try changing to the 6.6.5 ARHD rom and see if that helps
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Unfortunately I know what you mean, ever since I switched from ARHD 3.6 GB basd ROMs to the ICS ROMs my signal has pretty much sucked. At first when we got the DisH2/DisH3 thing going, it seemed like it helped, but now I am not sure. I have tried various combinations for some time now and I just can't get consistent results. :(

I got so frustrated with it that it made me take over the RIL thread when the OP moved on to a new device, and then include the radio info when the OP of the original radio thread seems to have abandoned XDA. Now I am not sure if I am more frustrated or less however. :eek:
[HTC Sensation] sicclude:
Hmm.. I cant seem to find the other ro.ril.hspxa in build.prop. The only one I see is in the "# Pyramid RF Team request" section. Where is the other one?
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
LOL, and Im just starting to mess with all these wonderful dishes, and radios, and RILs oh my...frustration is in my future :(

PS. At least your in Vegas, but honestly, thanks for all the results you have posted, and the work you have done, it really is appreciated.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Depending on how your ROM chef handles it, there may only be one entry there. Some chefs leave the defaults and add their own settings to the end, and some just start fresh and build their own.
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
there is 2 from what ive seen, one right at the beginning, maybe in the 1st ten lines or so and the other is as youve stated, way further down (halfway) under the # Pyramid RF Team request section
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
Did some testing of 3 radio with proper Ril files. I tested only signal power in my rom and my backyard. This are the results with dish3 on every radio:

1. 11.72.3504.00P_11.23.3504.08_M2

ROOM: -89-93-95-97-99-101-103dBm

OUTSIDE: -77-79-81-83-85dBm

2. 11.69A.3504.00P_11.23.3504.07_M2

ROOM: -77-79-81-83-95-97-99-101

OUTSIDE: -73-75-77-79-83-85-87dBm

3. 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M

ROOM: -75-79-81-83-85-87-89-91-93

OUTSIDE: -71-73-75-79-81-83-85

From this numbers you can see that number 3 (from original Mikes firmware) is the winner. And in the every place in my town i have 4-5 bars always. On one place i did have with number 1 radio only 2 bars, but when i use number 3 radio i have 3 bars. Its hard to deside which is the best but from my testing signals 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M is THE WINNER...

I try and Radio_11.69B.3504.00U_11.24.3504.10_M with HTC-RIL 4.0.0035HMQ but the results was very bad...

Now i am on 11.69A.3504.00P_11.23.3504.07_M2 radio, need to do some testing on different places in town...
[HTC Sensation] stuart0001:
I see a lot of talk about dish files. Are these only relevant to tmous users?
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
i accidently hit the thanks button instead of the quote button.

anyways, the answer to your question is, no
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
That is a great question. I have just started looking into that and I believe that other carriers may have different DisH files. The problem is that to look for the file, I have to download and extract each RUU. It might or might not have one and no way to tell in advance. :(
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
Ah damn. Since the Amaze has a DisH setting of 4, I decided to give it a try. 11.69A and 4.0.0035.

Bootloops.

Same with higher hsdpa/hsupa settings in rcdata
[HTC Sensation] Iceberger:
Gonna give 11.69B.3504.00U_11.24.3504.10_M a try.

Used version 11.72.3504.00U_11.23.3504.08_M2 for a while. From what I see in my signal bar, there is an improvement from 3 stripes (old) to full 5 strips with the new one.

So far so good...
[HTC Sensation] Vadwiser:
I have a Sensation XE and I'm a little bit confused. I mean things were easier to understand, back in the good old Desire HD days ;)

I have baseband 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M and stock rom but rooted (hdev unlock). I am not happy with the phone's actual performance, quite often it keeps me waiting, much more than my old single cored, 1 Ghz CPU Desire HD.

How could I make my phone snappier, aside using custom roms? What radios (and RILs - whatever that means) should I flash for improvements of overall performance? Could I flash those even if my device is S-ON?

Thanks for saving my noob ass :D
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Well, for that type of performance question, a radio/RIL is not going to make the phone snappier or more responsive. Only way I know of is to load a custom ROM with a different kernel than the stock kernel where better use is made of the second core and the CPU can be overclocked. It is best to be S-OFF, but at the least you would need to do the HTCDEV Unlock procedure.
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
Has anyone been able to run the tmobile ics firmware (3.32.501) with a different radio other then what comes with the tmobile firmware (11.69A) and not have any adverse things happen...for example, no 3g or 4g data?

I ran into a situation where i had the tmobile firmware and flashed the 11.72 radio only to have no 3g or 4g speed, flashing the 3.32.401 resolved that issue.
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
I had no issues with 11.69 or 11.69A w/tmob fw. Have not tried 11.72.
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
hmm, ok, i only tried the 11.72 radio
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I have tried 11.69, 11.69A, 11.69B, and 11.72 with the TMO firmware and they all worked for me.
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
Thanks for the info...

Is there any particular order to flash radios, rils, and dishes?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Nope. They all seem to be pretty interchangeable now, so try different combinations. I usually do a battery pull after flashing a different radio or dish file as those are firmware partitions and I want a complete reload.
[HTC Sensation] kaleci07:
Using 69.B seems better than 72 version

Sent from my Sensation
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
Can u explain what "better" means ?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Yeah, location might be helpful too....
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
My testing has shown no statistically significant differences in performance among radio/ril/dish combinations (including dish mismatches).

I'm in Brooklyn, NY, with a signal of around -95db to -105db inside.

When I initially flashed TMO firmware 3.32.531 with 11.69A, I had 0024 RIL and mismatched dish (3 in build.prop, 2 in rcdata). With a -95db signal, I recorded the best speedtest in my room: 3mbps down.

I then flashed up to 11.72, 0035 RIL, dish 3, and couldn't get above 1mbps with the same -95db signal. I immediately reverted to the settings that netted 3mbps, but again, couldn't break 1mbps.

From here, I tried various combinations of 69A, 69B, 72, with the three latest RILs, and dish at both 2 and 3. Results were always between 600-1000kbps.

Finally, I flashed back up to the latest and greatest: 11.72, 0035 RIL, dish 3. Still 1mbps. An hour later, did another test and I'm right at 3mbps again.

I'm really curious of the effects of the values in build.prop. If hsdpa/hsupa categories are set higher than supported in rcdata, the phone will bootloop. In build.prop, they can be set to whatever value, and the phone will behave the same.

Maybe if I'm ever equipped somewhere with a better signal, say -75db or better, I'll try some combos again, but really, I can't imagine any "rotten" configurations. At the end of the day, we're just squandering bandwidth on speedtests.

Of course, some of you guys are able to report consistent results between 7-10mbps, something I have never seen. I'm accustomed to seeing around 4-6mbps when outside.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I guess overall my results are not dissimilar, my location and craptastic TMOUS service are more limiting than any combination I have tried so far. I haven't tried the 11.65 or 11.68 radios yet, but so far I am not expecting anything different. If I was a little closer to Vegas proper, like you say, maybe...
[HTC Sensation] Layio:
With radio 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M and RIL HTC-RIL 4.0.0035HMQ I get more stable signal and one bar more as in 11.72.3504.00U_11.23.3504.08_M2. But not much many difference between radios and ril.
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
I'm going to try them myself just to see, but curious what ril does the 11.69b canadian radio come with? And what radio does the new Ville ril come with?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
The 4.0.0024 RIL came with the 11.69B Canadian Bell radio, so no new RIL there. The Ville has some other radio numbering scheme, 16.12.something, didn't look like it might be an evolutionary "next" radio, so frankly I am not brave enough to try it with my only phone I can't afford to replace right now. :o
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
It's still early yet but so far the newest canadian radio 11.69B is working better for me than any of the others. With the TmoUS official radio I get full bars of around 85 to 90 signal strength but it stays on edge/2G. With the 11.72 I get a single bar of 4g and signal strength of 100-120. With the 11.69B radio I'm getting 3 bars of 4g and signal strength is back around 85 to 90. This is all with the tmous firmware settings (dish and ril), I only changed the radio itself and the buildprop to 2.

The point being it might be worth it for some of you, at least if you live in New England, to try out this latest canada radio.
[HTC Sensation] mikeydee81:
Im kinda in the same boat as you. Im on TMO USA and i live in nassau countly long island. Since using ICS roms my signal has been wacky as in....im sitting on my couch and im getting 4 bars one second....1 bar another second....back to 3 bars....then no bars...then back to 3 bars..etc....

and as far as data speeds.....i get inconsistent results with different radio/dish combos.....which leads me to beleive there is no difference between them and its just something going on with the ICS builds.
[HTC Sensation] rbnhan89:
philadelphia

did anyone find out which was the best radio/ril for philadelphia area? if not i guess i have to try it out to see which one is best
[HTC Sensation] kaleci07:
I live turkiye better means better signal performance

Sensation cihazımdan gönderildi
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
I would try first flashing the tmous firmware and see how things are with that radio. After that try the Canadian radio, after that try the 11.72 radio. If you still aren't happy try changing the dish and rils, but I had good luck with the Canada one here in ma.
[HTC Sensation] df1ech:
Hi all,

I am wondering why there is no mentioning about version 4.00036 of the ril does anyone know which radio was intended to be used with this one ?
[HTC Sensation] ziddey:
What's that from?
[HTC Sensation] df1ech:
Insertcoin Evo. 1.5

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE Z715e Bricked and Insertcoined with pure awesomness, sense 4 and more...
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Is that from a Ville leak or One series port?
[HTC Sensation] df1ech:
Yes,

Ville 1.11.401.109

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE Z715e Bricked and Insertcoined with pure awesomness, sense 4 and more...
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
When I get home later, I will extract the RIL and package it and post it. Need to edit the second post a bit too. Thanks!

New RIL: HTC-RIL_4.0.0036HMQ.zip :D
[HTC Sensation] silverboi17:
I think this is known. I did the official OTA update for Tmo's ICS upgrade from GB. I noticed that my mobile data wouldn't reach 4G, but there was a post that TMONews posted the day after saying that changing "Network Mode" to GSM/WCDMA auto would fix that problem. I did that got my 4G data, but as a consequence, I get low signalling, 0-2 bars.

Now, I rooted my phone and install OrDroid 8.2.0. I still have that problem of 0-2 bars with "GSM/WCDMA auto". Then I just, now, decided to change it back to "GSM Only" and I constantly get 3-5 bars, but in consequence, I lost my 4G data speed again.

I'm new to this stuff. Would there happen to be a fix for this where I get both instead of one or the other? Thanks.
[HTC Sensation] ThemeSong:
Goodmorning to all, do you know what is the best radio/ril for Italy?
[HTC Sensation] lilpaul340:
Anyone have any suggestions for best radio/ril/firmware for the best 4G speeds in nyc? Thank you
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I guess the first thing I would suggest is to check and see which radio and RIL versions you are on using the methods in the first post.

Then try some different ones from the second post. I have tried every radio with every RIL and they all seem to work within the limits of the craptastic coverage around my home to give me at least 1 or 2 100-150ms pings, and at least 2mbps download test as seen by Speedtest. I did not see any combinations of ICS radios and RILs that just flatly did not work. I have seen good reports of 11.69A, 11.69B, and 11.72 from various areas of the world, but the newest is not always best for your phone in your area. A couple of people in the NE area have reported good results with 11.69B which is from the Canadian Bell OTA.

Finally, you should check out the "DisH" updates from the third post.

Between those three things, I haven't seen anyone that wasn't able to resolve their connection issues, with the exception of hardware issues. If you have taken the back case off and put it back on, it is possible for the little gold fingers to have gotten slightly bent so as to not make good connections with the case. It is also a good idea to clean the contact pads on the back case with an alcohol swab.
[HTC Sensation] mikeydee81:
This may not be easy to answer but what exactly does the dish2 and dish3 flash change? is it literally a value named dish and its changed between 2 and 3? And what is the default value that we all started with?

Is it editing the firmware? Radio?

If i flash a new firmware or radio will any dish update i have flashed be removed?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Answers to all are in the third post, except the last one which is maybe so I will add it shortly. Flashing a new radio will not change it as it is a different firmware partition. radio.img vs. rcdata.img. If you flash a firmware package that contains a rcdata.img partition, then it will overwrite whatever you have now.
[HTC Sensation] zim2dive:
FWIW.. in RTP, NC (USA) I tested 69A, 69B, and 72

dB ASU Ping DL UL
69A -93 10 145 3336 1740
69B -93 10 111 1630 1738
72 -93 10 132 3435 1717

So 69B gave me half the DL speed, but otherwise, it all seemed a wash. I need to investigate the "dish" settings next (I'm still fumbling my way thru all of this and learning as I go). Many thanks for the thread!
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
Thanks for posting, those are interesting results. I always assumed a low ping would mean better speeds:confused: I'm going to have to sit down and do an actual controlled experiment now to see for myself, looking back on my tests I'm thinking I had too many variables to really make a good conclusion.
[HTC Sensation] zim2dive:
I'm actually more interested in improving my voice connection vs. my data speeds... I drop too many calls... and I swear sometime ~4 months ago it got (and stayed) worse than it was before (I swear it was actually pretty good for a long time), altho I have no explanation for it. :(
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
Thank you. It seems my reception is not as good as it was with the radio included in the last GB ROM. But it may be that the leaves are back on the trees now and other coincidences with the release of ICS. Keep us posted on your findings.
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
So I sat down and did a consistent test, changing the radio only. I sat in the exact same spot and held the phone in the exact same way. You can draw whatever conclusions you want, I hope it helps somebody at least a little though. Here's my results:

11.69B Radio 107db 3 asu

Cnlab test results

#1 - 1657 up/397 down/ 59ms

#2 - 1586 / 330 / 67

#3 - 2053 / 227 / 58

SpeedTest results

#1 - 2490 / 351 / 125 ms

#2 - 3457 / 227 / 1314 (that's not a mistake)

#3 - 1706 / 365 / 158

Changed to 11.72 Radio

cnlab results

#1 1572 / 587 / 65 ms

#2 1458 / 298 / 62

#3 1558 / 427 / 85

SpeedTest results

#1 1410 / 264 / 155ms

#2 558 / 242 / 178

#3 1754 / 660 / 560

I changed back to the 11.69B radio and did 3 tests again with both and my results were similar. I think if anything it shows that the radio, at least in my area, doesn't make a huge difference but it does make a little difference.
[HTC Sensation] StuartTheFish:
Same here, I'm not all that bothered about download speeds since I normally use WiFi, but call reception is important to me and isn't great where I live.
[HTC Sensation] mikeydee81:
Just read that there is a Minor OTA going out for the HTC One that is supposed to correct signal fluctuation issues (among other things)

http://phandroid.com/2012/05/30/bug-fixing-update-headed-to-t-mobiles-htc-one-s-tomorrow/

Any way a dev can get there hands on this puppy and see if theres anything in there that we could use on our sensations to fix the signal fluctuations we have? Anybody heard of any OTA for us sensation users?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Well, there are some devs doing One S ports to the Sensation, so maybe we can get something in a few days. :D Haven't heard of any other Sensation OTAs yet. :(
[HTC Sensation] iTeeXDA:
Hi

I was advised to post in this section.

I flashed the correct 3.32 firmware and then ARHD. And now I am getting a no sim error. I am not SuperCID. Could the issue be because of the radio in the ARHD not matching my unlocked Bell Sensation running Telus. Should I try flashing the bell radio posted here? Or any other ideas. I am s-off.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
If you are on Bell then I would definitely suggest the latest Bell radio 11.69B. I believe it came with the 4.0.0024 RIL, but you can try different ones.
[HTC Sensation] iTeeXDA:
The phone is originally bell branded, I'm not using it on bell though.

Should I try the new ics one?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Hmm, if you aren't using the phone on the Bell network then you can try any of the radios and RILs until you find a good combination.
[HTC Sensation] iTeeXDA:
Sorry for repeated questions but can I reflash radios without reflashing roms?
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
Yes, but do backup to be safe.
[HTC Sensation] TripManISR:
Question :)

can I upgrade radio, for example 11.72 and then downgrade it to 11.69...

There is no probleM to do this?

THANKS
[HTC Sensation] :
You can do that easily, nothing happens
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
No problem, just make sure in between you delete the radio update file from the first one.
[HTC Sensation] iba21:
does someone can teach me what's the ril file? what's the "job" of ril file?

same question for dish

i don't want to try all the possibilities.. those are too much :D
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I worked hard on the first and third posts explaining that. Is there something there that is unclear?
[HTC Sensation] iba21:
emh.. i didn't read it.. :o

ok.. so.. RIL is the "driver", and radio is.. a driver too.. :D

i suppouse.. RIL is a peace of kernel.. right? system calls ril, and that one comunicate with radio partition, the radio partition sure is directical connected to the antenna..

ok.. but.. the dish file?

is only for TMOB users? i DON'T have a tmob phone, so, if i try to flash one of those file, may i brick my phone?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Flashing one of the dish files won't brick your phone, but if you aren't on TMO then it might not help. I see you are on Vodaphone, I am not sure if there is an RUU from them but I can check later. If there is then there might be a Vodaphone-specific DisH, or rcdata.img file.

Edit: There are some Vodaphone RUUs for the Sensation, but not for ICS. I am downloading the latest one now, but it will take several hours to finish.
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Vodaphone Italy DisH file

OK, here is the rcdata.img, or DisH file for Vodaphone Italy. It is the DisH2 variety, so edit your build.prop and make sure that these two values are set:

ro.ril.hspxa=2

ro.ril.radio.svn=2

If you aren't sure how to edit the build.prop file check here for instructions.

Again, this was extracted from the Vodaphone RUU below,

RUU_Pyramid_Vodafone_IT_1.45.165.1_Radio_10.56.9035.00U_10.14.9035.01_M_release_207411_signed.exe

so TMO users and everyone else please do not flash it. I don't think it will hurt anything, it just won't help and you will need to flash one of the other DisH files to replace it.

Please report back any results to this thread. Thank you!!
[HTC Sensation] StuartTheFish:
Does anyone know what would be best for h3g in the UK?
[HTC Sensation] xxemoeskimoxx:
Does the new firmware 3.32.1400.112 work well with T-Mobile or is it worse for it?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
I haven't tried it yet myself.
[HTC Sensation] el7145:
So regarding "ro.ril.radio.svn=2"...should this entry be in all ics roms, im assuming not since i dont see it in the build.prop of the current rom im running?

should i edit it into the build.prob to match the dish2 im running?

Also are there any consequences to having that value mismatched, ie poor reception or battery drain?
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
It has been in the ICS ROMs I have tried so far, I would probably put it in. I believe that it was there before but set to 1 at least on the ARHD 6.x series ROMs, but with the last TMO release, it was set to 2.

I have seen reports both ways, mostly that mismatched ro.ril.hspxa=x values caused poor signal, and then a couple that reported it didn't seem to matter. I haven't seen anything yet on the ro.ril.radio.svn value.
[HTC Sensation] nkojic:
I am a Tmobile user in Croatia/Osijek. I found that the best signal gives me a original Mikes radio From the firmware release 3.30.401.1 & 3.30.401.101. So i tested three dishes with 11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M/HTC-RIL 4.0.0013HMQ radio/ril and this are the results of my 3 run speedtest:

PING DOWNLOAD UPLOAD

1. DisH3-1.45_RUU 184ms 9,92Mbps 2,50Mbps

213ms 9,28Mbps 2,53Mbps

189ms 8,23Mbps 2,54Mbps

2. DisH2-3.32_OTA 190ms 8,12Mbps 2,25Mbps

200ms 6,77Mbps 2,29Mbps

190ms 5,59Mbps 1,56Mbps

3. DisH2-1.50_OTA 206ms 6,16Mbps 0,95Mbps

175ms 4,56Mbps 1,57Mbps

199ms 3,50Mbps 1,57Mbps

As you can see DISH3 is the winner:)