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[Galaxy S II General] jerdog:
As stated above, that will not happen. Wacky.Banana laid it out pretty well.
[Galaxy S II General] soraxd:
yeah villianrom is the only thing allowed in origional section because an xda mod runs it. xda is very biased like that, and mods heavily censor anything said against them.. having two sections, one for villainrom and one for everyone else seems really wrong.. but that's what happens when you run the site I guess.. I hope my post doesn't get deleted
[Galaxy S II General] jlevy73:
I normally don't quote long posts but this is really worth another read. You hit the nail on the head WB, nicely stated.
[Galaxy S II General] NotATreoFan:
You could not be more wrong. Feel free to take your conspiracy theories to another forum. You will not be missed.
[Galaxy S II General] Hacre:
Ahahahaha yeah, Original Development sure is full of nothing but those VillainROM guys!

How do you people expect to have your requests taken seriously when somehow, the only skill you demonstrate is the ability to cram as much inane moronic idiocy into as few words as possible?
[Galaxy S II General] Hacre:
I'm sorry to burst your precious little bubble pal but if the ground opened up beneath you tomorrow and sucked you into a vat of magma not a single person of importance would miss you.

Let's take what I quoted, cut the bull**** and translate it into what you REALLY meant, shall we?

Yes. Suddenly all becomes clear. Your issue is that YOU don't like what's gone on as it inconveniences YOU. Well oh dear, how sad, nevermind. You contribute exactly sweet **** all to this site. In fact that's not true, you actually contribute a burden. You suck up bandwidth and the majority of your post history is filled with either complete irrelevance and minutiae, or moronic questions than anyone with an ability to find their brown start with both hands and a map could figure out for themselves.

When XDA finally stamps firm their unwillingness to put up with the likes of you and your ilk and your kind realise it's best for all concerned if you just shut the hell up, I'll be the first one to send them all a big bag of hookers and sexual favours because the site will finally be returning to its roots where those that do actually contribute here can be left in peace to do what we do best: develop, hack and make our handsets do exactly what we want them to do, surrounded by people with similar interests and a willingness to learn.

The combination of a sense of self entitlement to rival that of even the most spoiled rich brat and the mental capacity of an anvil is a cancer on these forums and I applaud XDA's attempt to finally get busy with some chemotherapy around here.
[Galaxy S II General] parm104:
I'm glad this poll is up here. Being on this forum for many years now and owning SEVERAL handsets, I have never seen a sub-section so unorganized as this one

I hate going through one development section then to another!
[Galaxy S II General] Hacre:
Aww how sad. It must be really difficult and so time consuming!

All of the newer handset forum sections are organised like a rats nest because of the influx of donations chasers and noobs. Older handset forums were far more pristine. Sensation, the original SGS, the SGS derivatives, all a damned mess, because as well as even more thickos, we've also got pretend developers chasing donations making a mess of the place.
[Galaxy S II General] jlevy73:
What's so difficult about going from one development section to another?
[Galaxy S II General] veyka:
oh **** haha, sorry, thats what I get for being far to tired and reactive :(

Note to self, don't write replys after 15hour shifts :(

Perfect example right here of why you should RTFP :)
[Galaxy S II General] conantroutman:
Although your question had been answered beforehand (several times), there can surely be no doubt now a to why the split has been made.

I find it ridiculous that you would call "blabla" on the posts of others when you yourself are simply repeating the same, already answered question, over and over and over and over and over again.

You're inability to comprehend the issue here is truly frightening.

Its not, its not, no.

To elaborate on that;

IT IS NOT RETARDED

ITS NOT ANY MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND THINGS

I've tried to keep my response to your post as simple as I can because I suspect that if you find moving from one section to another difficult then the response I would like to make to your post would probably leave you staring open mouthed at your monitor for the next three days

Please look again, i can confirm that this is bull****.

There is a level of ignorance and petulance displayed in this thread that is truly concerning and is without a doubt the reason that the good name of XDA has become tarnished lately.

If you disagree with that then there's a pretty good chance that your part of the problem.

(Insert lesser forum here) is that way, enjoy yourself....
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
You would not mind leading me to the post in which my question - why have LitePros and Neos Roms been moved while VillainRom (for one) was not - has been answered then.

Thx in advance...
[Galaxy S II General] conantroutman:
Start with the original announcement on the matter.

Then read this thread again, several times. Hopefully the pieces should start to fall into place.
[Galaxy S II General] Endoran:
Oh...I must have broke your bubble? People get upset when bubbles are broke. What was the explanation for tearing the dev section in two? "User demand"? And now they change their story and tell it how it really is, what most people thought to be the case from the beginning. It is all about you developers.

But you see there is this thing called change, heard of it? Did I break another bubble? You can pine over what XDA was all you want but it won't ever be the same as it was years ago. You can insult me all you want or twist my words, I don't really care, because well frankly you don't mean anything to me. And if you dropped off the planet I wouldn't care (I'd feel bad for ppl who do care about you tho) and some other dev would fill your place. I freely admit I'm a consumer here and you know what? XDA likes consumers (synonymous with user). XDA wants to keep devs happy because of the USER. They don't care about some dev utopia you once had and shared with only other devs, at least not anymore. Without hits on their website they don't make any money. Hmmmm who makes all those hits? Did I pop another bubble?

It's all about money. They want, or say need, to keep both user and dev happy or no more XDA as the leader in ROM break throughs (I think it was a mod who said it much better than that). Devs complained and so XDA acted, in my opinion rather rashly. Yes, as you already insultingly implied, devs are more important on XDA since there is a lot less of them relative to the user. But the reason XDA acted, my own personal feelings aside, was to keep the devs happy because if they leave the USER leaves and if the user leaves then the money leaves too. The user and the dev have a symbiotic relationship whether you like it or not, one in which XDA (as in the owners not the mods) profit from (at least enough to keep it going...or help).

I was condescending to you in this post (I'm not a mighty jewel of a dev so I had to try real hard to even make a post...my tiny un-dev brain can only take so much) but after your post which I believe deserves an infraction, which you probably won't get, I'd say you deserved whatever I gave you, and probably a lot more at that too.

Ok, commence your rebuttal to a small portion of my post (and ignore what you don't want to hear), and hell change my words while you're at it!! Go nuts.

*Edit* This is in reply to several responses to my comments on this board.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
These posts do not explain nothing about the difference between this 3 Roms. What exactly is the reason why these 3 are treated either way. Got me now?
[Galaxy S II General] conantroutman:
Make no mistake, I fully understand your question.

If you genuinely do not understand the difference then I'm afraid that it is not my responsibility to educate you.

It would take you all of 10 minutes to sit, think, read and definitively answer this question for yourself.

That said I'm 90% certain that you already know the answer, you just insist on endlessly pushing this matter over and over in the blind hope that it will somehow releive your butthurt.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Oh c'mon. Hope you are not earnest about that one. You (xda) should take this a little bit be more serious m8.

As an "official" I fear it is exactly your responsibility to explain with further detail since the difference is not clear at all. As far as I can see all three Roms belong into the same section. You will have to enlighten me, why this should not be true...
[Galaxy S II General] tshoulihane:
If you think a rom is in the wrong place, this is the wrong thread to be discussing that on. In fact, you are maybe even agreeing that there is some value in distinguishing between different types of development work.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
You are right about this poll being the wrong place somehow, but things simply developed their own dynamic in here and it is all not totally ot at least...

And yes I agree, that there has to be found a solution to stop at least myriads of copycat stuff in order not to demotivate "proper" devs. But since it is quite delicate to distinguish each case it should be even more apparent why I insist on a proper answer making sense to my simple question concerning three specific ROMs/cases...
[Galaxy S II General] tshoulihane:
Instead of arguing about this, far more constructive would be to collate an index of the top <n> roms. Help newcomers to find what they may be interested in, and take up some of the support load yourselves.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
No argueing needed at all. Xda can simply put all three ROMs into the same section or explain why they did not to date - things done.
[Galaxy S II General] stoney73:
Its like groundhogs day. These fanatics can't think for themselves. Or read. Or comprehend.
[Galaxy S II General] zelendel:
We are not here to play baby sitter. We are here to learn from each other, which means we have to have an understanding about what we are reading.

I may lose my modship for this and maybe even a ban but to be honest I have reached my limit.

When I started here a few years ago I was a user just like the rest of you that are complaining. I knew next to nothing about smartphones or what they can do. At this time I also understood that " sometimes it best to keep your mouth shut and seem like an idiot, then to open it and remove all doubts". So not wanting to sound as stupid as I was at that time. I searched, searched, and searched some more. I read for days learning terms, protocols, and what I was doing in general. After awhile I found myself helping others with the knowledge I had gained. Was there a learning curve? Of course there was.

Now 2 years later I have become a mod for love of the site. I have done a few roms and helped on even more. Am I a Dev? Not by any means.

For those that don't know XDA started as a small site for like minded people that like to share knowledge and make their device the best it can be. We knew respect for each other which I see has been lost. XDA is not for consumers as you say. Never has been and never will be.

I see people demand things all the time (who the hell do you think you are demanding anything from anyone?) The dev don't cater to you, its not why they do it. Why do they do you it you ask, because they can and want to.

Now for the roms in question. If you can't tell the diff between a themed rom and an original work then you may be better suited to run a stock rom or even an iPhone. This way you wont have to learn anything new that takes more then a few brain cells.

In parting if XDA did go back to the old days when we could count our numbers in the hundreds of thousands and not millions the dev would be able to put out far more work without the constant dumb questions repeated over and over because people are too damned lazy to read and put it some work.

Now this is not targeted at anyone.

Don't like what I am saying? Well frankly I don't give a damn!
[Galaxy S II General] zelendel:
Why did we do it? Because we thought it would help. We don't need your permission to do anything that we deem needs to be done. Wanna have say? Get your own site and you can run it anyway you want.
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
No, see, that's the point where you are completely wrong. It's not a delicate to distinguish each case, but of course you have no clue what you're talking about.

Even at the most simple level there are ways to determine if a file is identical or extremely similar to another, now guess what a ROM is made of? Files.

You see even in the most basic file systems, users have simple indications of which files are alike, at which time they were created, where they were created and in some cases even how they were created.

Things like sources also help with determining what parts come from where, or what modifications have been taken from somewhere else.

You see this world we live in has things such as creation date, file size, hashes (like md5) and sources. You can even see what computer the kernel was compiled on. Now there are many other tools to compare 2 files or set of files, but if you spent more than 3 seconds doing research you would have known this.

Now on to the next question Zikarus. Besides complaining about things you do not understand, what have you contributed to XDA, and why do you believe XDA owes you anything when you contribute nothing but mind diarrhea which you let freely flow out of the deepest bowels of your mind?
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
First: please breathe through your pants and calm down.

Second: all three ROMs are based on Samsungs stock ROM and its files. If you have compared the file contents of these three ROMs more deeply feel free to share your findings.

Third: I did not complain besides not getting an answer to my question. If asking questions may be called mind diarrhea in the world you live in keep it there.
[Galaxy S II General] Archer:
Please tell us what development work

YOU

have done that you think should be in the original forum. You keep asking the question about other people's work, and as I have stated before now (even though it doesn't need pointing out to anyone else), that is between the dev and the mods.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Please do not mix up things.

You (xda) took action I asked why. Nothing forbidden strange insulting or whatever about this. Opinions - and we are in a poll here - are based on information. No information = ignorance no ability to find an opinion.

Time for me to summarize and get back to my real life:

You either lack arguments for your decision to treat the three named ROMs differently or you are not willing to share the reasons for your decision. The latter may be for good reason but how should I know. Bur please do not wonder, if a discussion arises due to ignorance only you (xda) could enlighten. Quite ridicoulous to blame the one asking a question/for information...
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Please do not let us discuss this "I am a dev you are just a user/member" thing. We both depend on each other.
[Galaxy S II General] Archer:
Okay, we won't discuss it. Now will you please answer my question (I'm starting to sound like you now :p)
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
No question in your second last post ;-)

Maybe my second last one clears things up a bit more ?

Will have to leave for a while - time to have fun with my daughter...
[Galaxy S II General] conantroutman:
This is the issue here....

That statement is just plain wrong.......

This is XDA-DEVELOPERS

not

XDA-Developers&UsersHoldingHandsAndSpoonFeedingEachOtherIceCream....

Real developers will develop even if they think that not a single person will use their work. They do it because they can and because they enjoy it.
[Galaxy S II General] Archer:
Here it is. Please answer it.
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
dev's do not depend on your ****ty opinion of things, in fact without users around devs would be a lot happier.
[Galaxy S II General] Hacre:
Rofl at the whole XDA WANT MONEY WE COME HERE AND PAY THEM WITH CLICKS pile of bollocks.

People need to consider the costs of keeping a site with this much traffic going. Fewer retards = fewer costs = less requirement for...AD REVENUE.

God it's almost like it makes sense. There really are some selfish whiney ****bags in this thread. I'm grateful for it though, as the moderators are seeing a good highly concentrated dose of the **** that developers get in every single one of their threads.
[Galaxy S II General] killall:
I am a user on this forum and have been a member since late last year. I read this thread with a mixture of disappointment and disgust and I just wanted to add my two cents worth.

There are many posters on this forum who regard themselves as USERS and believe that this gives them some God given right to demand some sort of help service from the dev. Hacre’s Kernel thread being a prime example. But they should read the name of this forum again, xda-developers.

This community was brought together by devs wishing to collaborate and share their work. The USERS are a by-product of this and should be thankful that the devs allow them to use their work, or the majority of us would still be on the original bloated stock roms.

I can now hear the USERS pointing to the Donate button and bleating that as they have paid for the rom, they deserve some sort of support. But they are not buying a product, this isn’t a Software retail site, they are donating towards the costs borne by the dev when trying to develop/ improve their work. I’m sure there are many costs involved, not least bandwidth for downloads, do the USERS think that when they download the Roms they spring out of the ether?

This site was started by the devs, is run by, funded by and therefore moderated by the devs. Therefore if they decide to re-organise some threads and move some roms, who am I as a user to say otherwise. I accept what they do and do not demand an explanation.

Going slightly off topic, but why don’t the moderators look at changing the posting rules for threads? I would suggest that you could only post on development threads after you have posted 100 times.

This would surely cut down on the endlessly repeated questions and force the USERS to read and search the threads. Hopefully by the time they have reached the dizzy heights of senior member they will have learned to use those two skills and refrain from filling up the threads with dumb questions which have been already answered.

And before anyone cries team “VillainRom”. Yes I do use their rom and I have a link in my signature. But I am a user not a member of the Team and I include the link as I think others should try the rom.
[Galaxy S II General] zelendel:
See that's what your missing. We don't have to tell you why we did it. This is not a democracy. If we did it then we thought it was best. If you can't understand the different between the roms in question, I don't have time or the patients to tell you sense the info can be found by looking, but you can't be bothered so neither can I. Let me let you in on a little secret. They are not original works. Nothing new or ground breaking in them. You want information SEARCH FOR IT!!!
[Galaxy S II General] Hacre:
This right here is a prime example of the user that is a pleasure to develop for and the type of user that should be welcomed and encouraged on XDA. No stress, additional use and feedback of development projects, no sense of self entitlement and a more than willing ability to help himself.

As a VillainROM developer I can say that killall is the type of user he appears to be here. These are the users that will survive Operation Iron Fist and we'll all be better off for it.
[Galaxy S II General] dh2311:
It's a good idea but I don't think it would work or be fair. There are people with sub 100 posts who are useful to devs, or are simply not annoying or ask nooby questions, and I think stopping them from posting isn't fair. Also if people need 100 posts, this could encourage spam all over the forum and that is the last thing we want.

I think a simpler idea would be to give the devs full control of their own thread. Allow them to set their own posting limits, and block users who are plain irritating. I know it would probably be difficult to integrate, and probably will never happen, but I think we need something on these lines.

Another idea would be to allow people to categorize their post as Development, Question, Help, Other. So that people can filter the posts to only what they want to see. Once again, difficult to do, I would presume, I only have basic website knowledge.

Or, like when you start a thread, it shows other threads similar, it should do the same with posts, so people who can't be arsed clicking the search button are shown the other posts, saying the exact same thing.

I think there has to be a system that only stops idiots posting and not people who can help.

But back on topic, why are people angry about the new system, it seems its only a few devs who's ROMs where moved who are starting the arguments. There has to be a way of separating the same rom with a different theme from something like Cyanogenmod which is completely different. If you don't post anything origional then what's the point in posting it. Make a post in the themes section with your theme and leave it. There's no need to make a whole rom

Rant over! :D
[Galaxy S II General] jerdog:
I guess that all depends on what you're looking for, doesn't it? if you're looking for a packaged ZIP file with the only thing changed is a few modifications to pre-packaged stuff, a theme, and a few free apps - then you would obviously go to the "Android Development" section where all derivatives, themed re-packaged, completely unoriginal stuff is. HOWEVER, if you want stuff that has started out as original work, that has been compiled from source for the device -then of course you would go to the "Original Development" section....

But that would evidently require hand holding when none of us have signed up for that. So you are free to make your choices. But they're yours and yours alone.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
I assume you will also refrain from explaining what is groundbreaking or new in Villain then? At least in cimparison to the other two.

Search for what btw. First you try to convince me that you may decide as you wish without having to explain anything and then you advice me to search for the refused explanation?

But relax I am out of this discussion from now on. Like Mr. Molyneaux has predicted this thread turns out more and more surreal with each post. Funny and sad at a time though to see devs and Mods complain about users who are unable to read or unwilling to understand (which really can be annoying) just to express within their posts that they themselves behave no better...

@Mr. Molyneaux

Last dev of mine - computerwise - took place long ago on a ZX81 in basic ;-)
[Galaxy S II General] wacky.banana:
This one has run its course now and it is time to move on. Thank you all for your contribution to this thread.

We will continue to work with our developers on an ongoing basis here on

XDA-DEVELOPERS.COM

WB
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moyinseadat:
I click on the check update and when it detect that there is an update available it suddenly force close DMclient, I assume first I must do a factory or hard reset, so is there any way that I can update it without a reset?

tnx
[General Questions and Answers] JayD94:
Can anyone port "elegantblues" theme to Theme Chooser on CM7, please?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xxprowler:
hi,

can i flash CM7 on GB bootloader ?

I'm just having a hard time rooting my phone(usb problem, but i can get to download mode) after going back to stock.

I'm right now on 2.3.4 ROM(non CM7).