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[EVO 4G General] pulazki:
Whoa? Where did all these Liberal Vagina's come from?

Waaa Waaa -- Oooh poor sprint.. pooor poor billion dollar corporation

Everybody stop getting free phones and hurting poor little sprint waaa waaa

Jesus Christ, Can i go get you guys a box of tampons and some estrogen pills to?

Never seen so many fuggin vagina's crying about defrauding a billion dollar corporation that's screwing customers over by the tens of thousands and making billions off us with their overpriced plans and devices.

Why do you care if Sprint has to switch a customers phone because they're unhappy with the patched Exploit? It's the companys job to keep customers happy, no matter how miniscule the reasoning behind it is... Sprint would rather send a Nexus S to every EVO owner out there then lose the customer to ATT or Verizon .. Stop crying you bunch of ******s. Grow some balls and quit being pansy little *****es that are crying and yelling at people who screw Sprint.. Man up .. I'd rather the Company lose money than Me getting screwed. They can afford it, We can't.

Not to point fingers but...Sry0fcr and mattykinsx you too need to grow some balls and quit acting like liberal women. What kind of man sticks up for a billion dollar corporations "moral rights" over a customer getting screwed. I researched for two weeks every phone on the market before deciding on the HTC Evo because of it's simple rooting ability, and amazing 3rd party aftermarket roms and mods available, along with the fact it has one of the largest and nicest development groups over any phone. So when my phone finally bit the dust and i was forced into a gingerbread update and refused to be given a froyo EVO like i originally purcahsed even though i paid insurance under the impression that if my phone ever got lost or broken i would be able to get an identical phone I for one was very unhappy and unimpressed with their customer service. I feel if a customer requests an HTC Evo without the update it should be his/her right to get a replacement without the update.

If you truly feel that Sprint has screwed us by refusing to ship froyo evo's as a replacement, then it is not fraud to ask to a different phone like the Nexus S. Sprint should offer every customer who wants a froyo evo as a replacement a Nexus S since they refuse to ship out froyo Evo's.. This is just good customer policy. They should also release software to 'unlock' the new bootloader considering the ENORMOUS Response that was shown when HTC publicly decided to lock the EVO 3D's bootloader, and got a response so gigantic that they came back a month later and publically annouced they will be UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER TO MAKE CUSTOMERS HAPPY. So if they know that Locking the Bootloader will make customers unhappy, Why lock the OG Evo's bootloader? Oh, beacuse WE ARE FORCED to keep this phone, whereas the EVO 3D people have the choice of purchasing it, and no one would buy it with a locked bootloader, but since we have no choice, lets go ahead and lock ours? It's bull**** and they deserve to be disrespected just as they have disrespected us.
[EVO 4G General] LexLuger82:
Idiots like you probably think the country going broke is a good thing, smh
[EVO 4G General] buzzwyzr:
Typical panzy ass, never worked for anything in her whole life, entitlement program riding leech on society. GDIAF.
[EVO 4G General] austin420:
i dont think it would be the liberals sticking up for the billion dollar corperation. there is only one group i can think of that sticks up for big business, and im pretty sure the gop aint liberal. as a matter of fact, they are big industry pole jocking conservatives.
[EVO 4G General] Sry0fcr:
I'm not sticking up for a billion dollar corporation, I'm sticking up for what's right. Once again, you cannot possibly be an adult with a thought process that ****ing stupid.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
It's people like you that are holding back the evolution of man. [And in fact playing into the degeneration, on an intellectual level, of our species]
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
As a Conservative, I would like to point out that it's my belief that Sprint needs to take care of themselves. If they have loopholes and policies that you can work and take advantage of, go for it. It's their responsibility to police themselves, not mine as the consumer. I should try to get whatever I can, or take my hard-earned dollar elsewhere.

Case in point, when I had to get my EVO replaced last week, I *****ed Sprint out so much about not being able to root the new phone that they paid half my deductible. Am I taking advantage of them? I don't think so; clearly they want me to stick around as a customer. In the end, I was happy enough not to leave and they keep getting to send me a bill. What's wrong with that?
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
This is one of the reasons I ALWAYS deal with another Evil Corp rather than the Main Evil Corp. I get all of my phones from Best Buy and use their protection plan. If it is broken I get a proper replacement. Since the Evos are EOL, I would end up getting a NS4G or a Shift. Neither are bad options. I agree with what Matty says. Don't **** the gift horse in the mouth or we end up paying what the poor schulbs at VZW and AT&T are paying.

As for Pulazki, you are a ****ing idiot and stupidity should be painful.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Not to get into some political debate here but true Conversative-ism comes with a *.

That * represents a responsibility on BOTH SIDES [the personal AND business] of the table to do things based on good ethics / morals.

Without that star it just doesn't work in real life.

And yes, I would say that what you did IS taking advantage of them.

It's not Sprint's fault that HTC patched their bootloader, why should they lose money on that deal?

You bought an OEM phone that was hacked, NOT a developer phone.

[It's the equivalent of saying... "My iphone updated to IOS 5 and I don't like this newest update, give me half off the price Best buy"]

Um, no.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Yes the signal is bad im using one now. Its enough i already have an airave in my home with out it my phone will not ring lol.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
All they had to do was say no. I don't see how it's taking advantage of them if they're willing to meet me half-way. It may not technically be Sprint's fault, but they are the the company I am dealing with, not HTC.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
But why does a rule have to be instituted for you to not doing something that can easily be seen as wrong?

It's the same thing in the government.

Anytime somebody does something that they shouldn't be doing in the first place everybody says "let's make a law"

That's an easy way to get to fascism.

No, let's just not do the things we all should

know

are wrong.

The government shouldn't have to step in everytime someone does something that mommy should have taught them not to do.

Sprint shouldn't have to step in with this case.

You know what's next right?

Not being able to get a

different

phone as a replacement for ANY reason

And that could really hurt people that need a different phone for good reason.

[Perfect example of a situation that would be affected by what I just said, my data connection failed with my Palm Centro. They sent me three replacements and even a brand new one and it would not validate. Even changed my MSD number and they eventually had to give me the Palm Pro]

The other end of this is the "well then why did Sprint allow me to get what I want"?

Think about this.

They are trying to repair their tarnished image.

They are fighting two much bigger companies with a lot more money and a merger that could easily destroy the entire fair market.

They have no choice but to give you what you want, it doesn't mean you should prey on that weakness.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
You see it as wrong; I see it as being a shrewd consumer. I am dissatisfied with the product I am receiving, that I pay to have replaced in case of an accident. I am not getting back what I lost because it is running software that I don't want. They can't give me the software that I was running before, so they gave me money instead.

How this becomes a morality play for you I don't get. I was genuinely unhappy with what I was receiving, so I threatened to switch to another carrier. They decided it was worth it to keep me around, so they threw me a bone which I accepted. That you think this was me preying on poor Sprint really perplexes me, but is probably not worth continued discussion because you're clearly impassioned in your stance.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You pay for a replacement.

Within the rules of the agreement you signed.

Not for a discount because you bought an OEM phone and it was unrootable at the time you received that replacement.

The reason I'm "upset" in relation to Sprint has

nothing

to do with Sprint itself.

It's just like lawsuits.

Where do you think that money comes from?

Where do you think that money Sprint cut you a break on comes from?

An increase of everyone's monthly bill.

And yes, I'm out for the greater good.

People may call that "self-righteous" but I call it intelligence.

The greater good affects me too.

It's important that people understand that whether or not it's in a direct or indirect way.

All of life is inter-connected.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
Well, if they couldn't handle eating that $50 and have to pass it on to you, they should've just let me go. Blame Sprint for making a bad financial decision if you're that concerned about it, not me. And when Sprint has to start charging you more on your bill to support my phone replacement, tell them you're dissatisfied with the way they're dealing with people like me by leaving.

I bet when you call them to tell them why you're leaving, they'll offer you an incentive to stay. And you'll take it.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
Matt, I understand what you are saying, but I think you have a hard time seeing the large swaths of grey area when it comes to running a business. To Sprint, or any other carrier for that matter, it is cheaper to acquiesce to an existing customer's demands than it is to try to get a new customer. If Max is genuinely unhappy with a device he purchased and had to get a replacement of due to a defect, than he has every right to go to his provider and have them rectify the situation.

Other people on the other hand are doing it because they can't get a hackable phone, which I understand to a small degree, due to the fact that HTC decided to unlock their bootloader. The fact that they are taking advantage of the loophole that Sprint has created is on Sprint to fix, as much as you may disagree.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
But see, he is unhappy because the replacement is un-rootable.

Which isn't Sprint's fault.

[Okay I guess it's Sprint's fault because they allowed HTC to use their band to send the OTA update to their customers :rolleyes:]

I can totally understand if you're having serious repeat issues with a phone and it's subsequent replacements.

But saying "I need a replacement" and then saying "well the replacement isn't hack-able so I want a discount" is pretty clear abuse.

Now, are you welcome to call HTC and tell them how dissatisfied you are with their product after the update? Of course!

And if they want to issue a rebate or what-have-you then that's within their right as a responsible party.

If not, maybe HTC isn't going to be the maker of your next phone?

Speak with your wallet, isn't that a direct quote of conservatism?
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
Here's where we're having a disconnect. Sprint is my service provider; my contract is with them. HTC is a sub-contractor to Sprint with whom I have zero dealings. When I have an issue with my phone, I don't take it to an HTC repair center; I take it to Sprint.

Sprint is the name on the bills I pay.

So I did speak with my wallet; I told Sprint that I was unhappy with the replacement phone that I had been sent and either wanted it replaced with a phone running the same software I had before I would cancel my contract with them. They couldn't provide what I wanted so they offered a compromise to keep me as a customer. That you equate this with some kind of immoral act is truly beyond me.

When I have a contract with someone and they sub-contract someone else for to complete a piece of that contract, I don't have any recourse with the sub-contractor. My dealings are only with the prime on the contract, period and end of story. If Sprint is unable to provide me with something that I want because HTC did or didn't do something, my issue remains with Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] frankie51:
I just called and I will be receiving my brand new nexus s 4g in 2-3 business day! back to custom roms!
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
Exactly my point. I am of the feeling that when you get something replaced, it should be replaced with the exact same thing. So if I break my rooted Evo, I would expect to get one that I can root as a replacement. If you purchased the phone with 2.3.3, then you should get exactly that as a replacement.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You have as much dealings with HTC as you do with Apple or Dell or HP or whatever when you buy it at a Best buy.

And yes, you do have recourse with them. It's their product.

Sprint provides you with two separate possible services.

Their network. [Cell, Text, Data]

And

Essentially a repair / replace extended warranty. [Which is a collaboration between Sprint, Asurion, and whatever manufacturer]

It is like buying an Apple iPhone at Best buy and then getting a black tie plan with Best buy for that phone.

Best Buy sold you the phone, they even fix the phone or replace it if necessary.

However, while Best Buy maintains the right and ability to discount the phone you bought if an update comes along that you don't like, to do so would be ridiculous.

And to prey on the idea that you will never be their customer again if they don't is simply unfair.

That is NOT the agreement you sign when you go with TEP

It doesn't even promise you the same phone.

It promises you a phone of equal comparison.

Being able to root is not apart of that comparison.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
Hence the reason why I never go with TEP. :)
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Any replacement done without the TEP is a warranty issue, through HTC.

Rooting is not promised in that warranty either.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
Again, I'll simply go back to the point that they didn't have to acquiesce to my demand. It's perfectly within my rights for me to leave a company if I am dissatisfied, for whatever reason. They decided I was worth keeping, and they were the ones who offered the compromise.

I'm sure that the retention agent I was speaking to (who was a lovely, lovely woman with the patience of a saint) was quivering at the thought of me leaving their company and I was cruel to prey on her fears.

By the way, you keep bringing up this concept of fairness. I rarely have ever had a company do something for me or go out of their way to help me with something because it's "fair". I have had to go to bat against several companies to protect myself, and trust me they would've left me high and dry if I sat back and waited for them to do what was right. You're either deluded or in self-denial if you think that businesses are weighing fairness against their bottom line, even Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I already explained why they were willing to do what they did.

They have no choice.

I'll divulge further into this.

Sprint is up against two very large companies whom outnumber their ...hell no need to go further than revenue...by 10 times.

Not only that but they are facing a potentially game changing merger that could very well eliminate the smaller competition [including Sprint]

Not only those two things but they also have a failed technology [Wimax] which is a result of the bigger companies forcing a different standard and the financial failure that is Clearwire.

Not only that but a data network they are desperately trying to update as fast as possible because they underestimated the Evo and data growth and the fact that soooo many users would move to more data intensive phones in such a short time.

Not only all of those tid-bits but also the tarnished customer service image they had [which I'll never understand because I never had a customer service problem with Sprint until AFTER they became "number 1" in customer service] that they are trying to fix.

Need I go on?

They have no choice but to do what they can to maintain every subscriber possible.

To prey on that is, well, wrong. No matter how you look at it.

Yes, it's a "big evil corporation" :rolleyes: but that doesn't make it right.

It's still like going up to a naked starving homeless man that only has shoes and saying.... "mmm I'll give you this piece of food...for your shoes"

The difference here is giving those shoes costs other subscribers and even yourself money.

As long as everybody lives by the idea that they shouldn't play fair simply because someone else may not, we will never grow.

I'm sorry to bring the metaphors into this but I don't know how else to explain it.

Here, let's play the numbers game.

Let's assume your plan after everything is $85 / month.

$85 X 24 months = $2040

Add $200 because you bought the Evo.

$2240 is what you signed a contract to pay.

You had to use your deductible to get a phone so $2340.

You threatened to leave Sprint if they didn't reduce that to $2290.

Which is a roughly 2% reduction of your total two year contract.

All because you can't root the phone due to something that isn't their fault in any way.

Oh, and by the way, you still can't root the phone.

Oh and by the way, as an OEM phone, root was never apart of the agreement.

Sorry, but that's ridiculous.

And yes, I would say it's ridiculous if it was T-mobile, Verizon, or At&t too.
[EVO 4G General] Rayvenhawk:
Just because someone screws another over doesn't making doing it back to them right, nor should anyone feel proud of cheating another regardless of the circumstances.

I really hope that all of you who feel its proper and ethical to lie, cheat and steal from anyone including a multibillion dollar corporation do not have children and will never have children.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
You're ridiculous. Of course they had a choice. They may not be in a great way subscriber-wise, but I don't have them by the throat. My original request was that they either get me an EVO with the same software that I'd had before, or replace with with a Nexus S that I knew I could root. They wouldn't budge on either request. If they really "had no choice", they would've given in to any demand I made.

Your analogies are also ridiculous. I'm not and never have said that Sprint is a big evil corporation. Neither are they a starving homeless man, and my $50 account credit hardly "took their shoes".

As for my getting this credit retarding our growth as a society, you're just being outright silly. This is business; it's how business has worked since the beginning of time and it's business that built the great United States.
[EVO 4G General] schmay33:
whoa this thread got a little out of hand...

I don't think what I want to do is fraud. I don't see anything wrong with complaining about my product and if they are willing to exchange it... I don't see how that is fraud. I pay for the insurance every month and have had multiple replacement phones with all the same issues, so if they are willing to send me a replacement phone that is of equal value (the Nexus 4g), I don't see how, or why that would be fraud.

So, back to the question I first had.

I have received a replacement phone, now I am stuck, because each time I call they still ask me to go to tech support and have them try and fix it (which does not fix my issues). What is it that you say that will make me eligible for a comparable replacement, or who do you ask to talk to?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
They had no choice but to give you something to maintain their subscriber and maintain themselves as a business.

That's all I said.

You remind me of a few other forum members that shall remain nameless.

You take a sentence out of three paragraphs and respond to just that to redirect the point.

It's only "ridiculous" to you because if it wasn't then you would be in the wrong.

You demanded a discount from Sprint and even told them you would leave simply because HTC patched a hole in their bootloader.

That's all there is to it and that is ridiculous.

This is your OP:

Reading your OP it is easy to interpret that into you trying to scam Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
Technical support just told me that if I take my phone to a repair center they can downgrade from 2.3 to 2.2....... OMG /pulls hair

Update. They are sending me another EVO which is on backorder. Nexus S was not an option. Evo Shift, transform, EVO 4g and zio were the options.

Hopefully this evo will be problem free!
[EVO 4G General] schmay33:
Usually with scam you have to be doing something wrong. I don't see anything wrong with complaining about a product I purchased.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
And if that's what you were doing you'd have a point.

However, you would have to go to the maker [in this case HTC]

You don't go to Best Buy and complain about Apple products now do you?
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
I only quoted one sentence, because you tend to ramble and add unnecessary line breaks in your posts. I answered the bulk of your arguments, albeit briefly.

If you bought it from Best Buy you would start with them, at least. If they were willing to take steps to rectify the issue, then what harm?

I am done arguing with you. You can hold to your strange ideals and moral code; I will enjoy discounts and account credits where Sprint is willing to give them.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Thank you for being part of the problem and why prices continue to increase.

This line of thinking is also part of why these companies are throttling and limiting data.

Way to go
[EVO 4G General] schmay33:
I don't think you understood my OP. I wanted specific reasons that people used to receive the question from sprint customer service that would ask me "would you like a comparable replacement phone". I am not able to even get sprint customer service to acknowledge that they do this. So, I asked what people said, specifically, to get them to offer this.

If you bought insurance from best buy on your apple product from best buy.. I think I would complain to best buy. But then again, I would never buy an apple product in the first place.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Multiple replacements within a short period of time due to no fault of your own.

I.e. manufacturer defect [such as the nexus s radio issue] or something of that nature.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
You're welcome! When you get your next bill, remember that you're not just paying Sprint, you're also paying MaxCarnage.
[EVO 4G General] pitmaster:
Who here has used root to bypass paying Sprint for the hotspot feature???? SCAMMERS!!! For shame............ :o

Sorry, felt like I should contribute somehow....just enjoying the hell out of this thread! Keep up the entertainment everyone! ;)

ahhhhhh.......going todash.........
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I haven't.

And I know plenty or forum members that haven't.