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[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Touchscreen issues?

Ok, I see a lot of back and forth on the possibility of multi-touch issues. To be honest with you I dont know what the deal it.

Here is what I know so far...

Some people say it happens all the time.

Some people say they never see it.

Some people say it only happens on ROMS with Sense removed.

Some people say it happens on Stock.

AS you can see narrowing this done will not be easy :eek:

But then again.. what in life, that is worthwhile, is easy?

I'll start looking at it early next week.

-Scott
[HTC EVO 3D] okcxb:
Scott, first I wanna say thank you for all your hard work. I've flashed several different roms and always come back to senseless. Anyway you can do a center clock status bar mod? I'm using go launcher with sg1 status bar icons and ics theme and center clock would be awesome.

Sent from my 3VO
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Thank you too! I apprecaite the feedback!

As far as the status bar mod... We had this discussion in either this thread or the CleanROM series threads. I forget which one. BUt from what I was told about that mod is that it can be hard to read when you get system messages in the task bar. Did you notice any of that?
[HTC EVO 3D] okcxb:
I don't have any problems with the sg1 mod. Did see that it was removed from rom manager. Center clock mod would probably have some problems with center clock though.

Sent from my 3VO
[HTC EVO 3D] ah2049:
I'm having this issue as well.
[HTC EVO 3D] kellybrf:
you know, i think the multitouch issues are creeping up for me too. ive not thought anything of it until today, but when texting there were times where it seemed unresponsive or like it was tapping extra letters. i use a t9 keypad so chalked it up to fat fingering it, but today i wasnt in a hurry and paid attention when it happened and it definitely seems to add some presses while ignoring inputs in a row at other times. ive been running 2.7 since it came out and have only noticed this in the past few days, so its like the problem developed
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Wow, this really adds to the confusion. So here is what we have now...

Some people say it happens all the time.

Some people say they never see it.

Some people say it only happens on ROMS with Sense removed.

Some people say it happens on Stock.

Some people say it happens but only after a period of time....

Im flashing this now. IM gonna start the quest of discovery tonight.
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
I think I got skipped over. :(
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Whhhoooops... Sorry

1. The ROM is always in a constant state of development. If I figure out how to implement, remove or otherwise fix any issue I will do so. Right now time is at a premium for me. I am working too many hours at work and have real life responsibilities too so I can only do what I can do. I also have other hobbies such as setting up web, ftp, mail servers and networks in home so I have to split my time accordingly. Right now I am working on some web projects based otu of my home. Not to mention I have 4 ROMS spanning two devices right now and I am not in a Team like other devs. I am one single person and do ALL the work on my ROMS myself :eek:

So I hope that gives you some insight to the development cycle that the ROMS are on.

2. That is a Sense related option. There are plans to remove it. For more detail see answer #1 ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] jayfonzerrelli:
Just wanted to give those of you heads up that may have enjoyed, or would like to try out my blue theme from Cleanrom DE, over here on senseless! I asked Scott if he wouldn't mind putting it in the Rom updater, which I believe he did tonight, (thanks Scott) and it should be up now. Anyway here's just a a quick screen of what it looks like...

I also had him add a black/blue dialer I made in case you guys were interested...

Anyway I hope those of you who descide to give these a shot enjoy them as much as I do. (not a fan of the green personally)..:D
[HTC EVO 3D] e_town:
Scott, hope it works out. If you can find a fix id be back on your rom in no time.

I've been on a stock rom for almost a week now with no multi touch issues to speak of. I'm going to try a different sense based rom (probably viper) and see if I have the same results.

If anyone is having multi touch issues have alook at my post a few pages back, I made a video of what it was doing. Curious to see if the same things are happening or if the problems are different from device to device.

Thx for all of the hard work Scott, I don't know of another dev that is this involved from day tto day troubleshooting and taking requests.

Cheers
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
I'll figure it out one day! lol
[HTC EVO 3D] saboxerman:
10-4, sir. Thank you!
[HTC EVO 3D] hitman4274:
If u get stuck at the splash screen, (white HTC screen) and nothing happens, pull the battery... Shouldnt have to reflash everything just a thought

Shot from my shooter in 3D

injected with cleanrom2.7
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
This touch screen multitouch issue is just insane now! I'm still running senseless bc I hate sense! But I'm using senseless and when the screen becomes unresponsive it does what it wants. Ill be on facebook and screen will act up, I wont touch it. And it will click posts, pull notification bar down! Just crazy random ass ****!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Wow. Been running it for 18 hours now and it has performed perfectly for me. How strange is this?
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
My multi touch issue is way more subtle. I only notice it in games. If I'm holding an onscreen button and then press another, the first button will let go
[HTC EVO 3D] kellybrf:
yeah, mines very subtle too. i only notice it text messaging and only maybe 5-10% of the time? some time last week my screen did become totally unresponsive, but i just pulled the battery and all was well
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
Here is something that might help. I'm using better keyboard 8. Not the stock htc android keyboard and the gingerbread one too. I don't know if its just multitouch. But the screen likes to do what it wants when on. It will click random stuff. This is getting very annoying, and I'm now on urge to flash a new rom! But I can't leave senseless! I love it!
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
So this could be a sublte issue for some.. Ok.. That helps... And would also explain why I dont see it happen. IM rocking 24+ hours and no issue but I am also working and not using the phone much.

Let me ask you this.. When you guys see the issue...

What apps are you using? Is it totally random at any point in time or is there any isolation I can focus in on?

As you can see I need any reelvant info I can get. If i coudl reproduce it myself then this would be easy... but... what in life is ever easy?

Oh and one more thing... Did it ever happen on any prior 2.x version of Senseless? That will be my best indicator becuase I can look at my change log and go from there.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rob_ec:
maybe these people have screen protectors?

my touch screen goes radical with the screen protector
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Most said they tried without screen protector and the issue still existed. Do you ever see the issue?
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
Scott I can confirm that a few versions back I have still have had this problem!!
[HTC EVO 3D] EGOvoruhk:
scrosler, is this something you could take a look at? I'd love to speed up my 3G. Perhaps a new/different EPST.apk?
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Can you be more secific with the version number? I need spot on info to troubleshoot this unless I can reproduce it and I have not been able to yet.

Its also interesting to note that its not happening on CleanROM or CleanROM DE. Which, as you know are identical sources to SenselessROM. So I am starting to wonder if I removed something that is important? But I dont see how.

Yeah, there are differnt EPST.APK'S out there. Give them a shot and let us know. If you find one that works well for this I will include it in the ROM!

Thanks,

-Scott
[HTC EVO 3D] drivenapollo:
I just wanted to say on the multitouch issue, I have been having issues with double letters when typing since day 1 I got the 3d. Launch day. I use better keyboard and it seams as though just sometimes since I have been running different roms it happens on them all. I believe the only one I never saw it happen to was cm7, but I didn't use it long since I like my 3d pics and 4g. I think there is something in the HTC kernal that is the problem. I'm assuming no body make a sense kernal from scratch I could be wrong ,But that would make sense to me for it being the issue. Though I didn't experience the double letters on other keyboards either. Again didn't use them long as I like better keyboard. I even wrote better keyboard dev and asked if it has dual core support. I thought it was just stuttering from using a single core, but they confirmed it is dual core support.

Edit: I experience very few double letters on your roms which is nice. I might have the double letter problem once a week. Stock was every text or anything else I wrote.

Sent from an Evo 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
Id have to guess 2.5 scott. Is this just your rom? is this happening on other roms too?
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
I think what your saying co-incides with and makes sense with what another user said. They see it on all ROMS including stock. Which kinda makes sense (no pun intended). Because I know I did not screw up anything in the ROM to intiiate the bbug... But that does not mean I could have done something to further exadgerate the issue.

This, indeed, will be somewhat of a challenge. I see a similiar issue with my LG Optimus S ROMs. Some users have a double tap issue. This was a known bug with the Official Sprint Release and part of the reason they pulled it off the update server. Here is the kicker... Just like this ROM... Some people see it... Some people dont. I could reproduce it on the Optimus but on this one I cant.

I bet it all has to do with the bull**** spyware Sprint tries to induce on the ROM. In both cases that is the only differntiating factor. Thats just an assumptions there. Nothing scientific to back it up.

THanks for your input. Still need as much as possible to continue troubleshooting this.

Has anyone tried to revert to bone stock kernel?
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Once again, its all about who you ask. Some people say from stock ROM to this ROM it happens. Some people say stock ROM is perfect and its only this ROM. Some people say every single ROM has it. Some people dont see it at all. Im one of the ones that do not see it at all.

You can see the challange ahead of me here and why I need specifics as specific as possible, lol.
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
Hey Scott, maybe you should talk to some other devs? Also, i just got a force close on launcher. It's unresponsive. And I see that sometimes custom keyboards are the problem.
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Ok, tell me the name of a Dev that has stripped down sense as far as I have and themed it to be similiar to AOSP. I dont know which one has done that :confused:

I really dont see any ROMS like Senseless... But on the same note... I dont ever flash anyone elses work either, lol

So... I really dont know who has a similiar ROM?

(Sorry I am just fustrated with reported issue)
[HTC EVO 3D] kellybrf:
i ran the stock rom until around late august, then rooted it and ran supra 1.5 until i flashed senseless 2.6 and then 2.7 when it came out the next day. with all of those roms ive used smart keyboard pro. i really only notice the problem when messaging. i use kik for about 75% of my messages, otherwise its the stock messaging app. the multitouch issue has shown up with both. when the screen locked up on me the other day it was totally locked, so i turned the screen off and back on and pulled down my slider (i use widget locker). that worked, but i couldnt unlock it. i opened an app from my widget locker homescreen, but then i couldnt select anything. turned the don and off again, it acted the same so i pulled the battery and its been ok since sans the texting issues. like i said, it only happens 5-10% of the time so its not major.

not sure if this has just gotten skipped before or if you dont have an answer, but do you know anything about why +1 dialing doesnt work? if youre just ignoring it no big deal, last time ill ask.
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Did you notice the touch issue on stock?

+1 dialing. Not ignoring you... Just getting cuaght up in this multi touch issue right now... giving me tunnel vision.... Can you give an exmaple on how to reproduce, is it just as simple as dialing +1-123-456-7890? And what happens next?

EDIT: I just dialer a number like this "+17012008135" and it worked fine. What is the issue you see? That number is a discontinued line I have.
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
So for me I got this around the time we tried the new kernels I didn't have it with 2.3 and I've never had a screen protector.

Thanks for looking into it. I. Need to try flashing stock kernel
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
You are saying you never had any issues like this with 2.3? Am I understanding you correctly?
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
I believe that's correct.
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Interesting... Can anyone else confirm this?
[HTC EVO 3D] kellybrf:
well son of a *****, its working now. i would get a 'the number cannot be dialed' error when using voice search to find/call a business, or when i returned a call in the google voice app. it literally happened every time, then id dial the number without +1 and itd work. but i just voice dialed a few businesses i know failed before and returned a gv message and alls good. anyway, great job fixing it!

forgot to mention, ive never used a screen protector
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Strange... lol.. Could you have had a 3rd part dialer or some other app that intercepts the codes? Other than that I really dont know. As long as it works now I guess? lol

-Scott
[HTC EVO 3D] kdogg78:
Scott this rom rules. Thanks for your hard work. Props.

Fyi I have had the exact multitouch issue in the past and it is always a dirty screen. I have not had any issue with this on the 3d however... only on the evoOG
[HTC EVO 3D] EGOvoruhk:
This one seems to work: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17196763&postcount=111

I'm finally able to get to/edit the fields
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Very cool! Thanks for pointing it!
[HTC EVO 3D] kellybrf:
alright, im not crazy. do you have an airave by chance? when im connected to my airave it will dial fine, but if im connected to a regular tower i get the number or code is invalid error
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
I have an airvana but done use it.
[HTC EVO 3D] efan3719:
I'm having some issues with roaming. My signal keeps jumping all over the place. Any suggestions?
[HTC EVO 3D] mac+htc:
Loving this ROM! My only complaint is that any motion at ALL even in daylight blurs the camera terribly...its on the stock settings....is this a known issue? I didn't have this problem on CleanRom....Forgive me if it is a known issue, I did search the thread...
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
I wonder if that could be related to the Sprint wide update that happaned on 11/1? Otherwise try updating PRL / Profile.

No, thats not a known issue. The Camera is the exact same one on CleanROM so I am not sure why you would see that. Very strange. :confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] efan3719:
Updated both of those. Said it was updated but no change. Rebooted and did it again. No change. Third time it started settling down and eventually went back to normal. Hopefully a temporary freak out. Thanks for the help.
[HTC EVO 3D] thomaschila:
I enjoyed this ROM very much but had to switch over to CleamROM. I couldn't stand the no caller id on the lock screen
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Well, atleast it settled it self down... I think :confused:

Ok.

-Scott
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
Scott any updates on the touch screen issue?
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Nope. Nothing yet. Flashed the ROM, still cant get it to do anything bad. My Beta testers cannot as well. I ran it for 36 hours... which was one full battery charge for me. Then had to try some other things...

I am working on so automagical scripts for hboot 1.5 so thats going to require constant reflashing to test the scripts.... Blah!

I'll flash back again tonight and try one more time.

Also... I know there are multi touch apps on the market that can help test the touchscreen. Has anyone ever messed with those?
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Ok, I treid 4 different apps from the market that test the touch panel. They all functioned as expected. No issues at all. I dont know what to say at this point.
[HTC EVO 3D] kellybrf:
yeah, the one guy posted a youtube a few pages back
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
which apps did you test? maybe the people having trouble can do the same tests.
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Duhhh... Thats a really good idea! Why dont I think of stuff like that? lol :eek:

Here, I tried these:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.the511plus.MultiTouchTester

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.batterypoweredgames.mtvistest

https://market.android.com/details?id=de.greenrobot.multitouchtest

https://market.android.com/details?id=org.hermit.touchtest

Each one of these tested 100% on my device so lets start there and see if there are any variances.

Good thinking man!
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
see my issues are at complete random. But to be honest, I'm thinking its the launcher that has been causing all these problems! Its unresponsive!!
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Really? Thats very possible. Almost makes sense... have you tried a diff launcher?
[HTC EVO 3D] Craysh:
Loving the rom so far.

Only issue I've had so far is that Aptoid seems to crash every time I select an app.

I kind of need it for work :/
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
What the heck is aptoid?
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
here's a screencast of how my phone failed.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5667365/screencast_1.mp4

this is just one test but the results are similar for them all.
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
So on that video, I am assuming... You did not make it start jumping everywhere? It started off OK but went spaz at the end...

Thats the failure?
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
Exactly it works ok for a moment and then freaks out. It mostly manifests itself by dropping the initial touch
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
K, I will start looking into it. Still cant reproduce it though.

How long does it take to happen after a fresh reboot?
[HTC EVO 3D] westside_cook:
download link

I know this probably sounds like a stupid question, but where in the heck do i download this?:confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Hahah... Sorry, I had to take my downloads section down to rebuild some stuff on my web server. Looking at the time of this post I would be led to beleive you tried to find it when the downloads were down.

Go to www.scottsroms.com and hit downloads on the top menu bar.
[HTC EVO 3D] Craysh:
Aptoid is a repository program. Think of it like an Android version of Cydia where users can add their own repositories for apps.

My work posts their dev builds and work applications there.
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
Good question I thought it was constant, but after a reboot it seems to be working just fine. I'll keep testing throughout the day. I'll also keep track of the apps I'm using
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
Well 15 minutes in and it started right after I unlocked the phone for the first time. I had been using it nonstop up until then.
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Is this a program I can download on the Market? And if so can you provide a Market link?

Ugh... Ok. After using mine for 36 hours it didn't do it at all. I will flash again later today and just keep messing with it.
[HTC EVO 3D] ycats:
I thought Aptoid was a supository problem.
[HTC EVO 3D] SpunkyXL:
Does GoKeyboard work on this Rom? Keeps switching back to the default kboard.

Sent from my EVO 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] Craysh:
this is the downloader for it.
[HTC EVO 3D] duble08:
I use go keyboard with this rom. It works great! I don't know what would cause your default to automatically change. Mines been working since day one.
[HTC EVO 3D] SpunkyXL:
Camera/Camcorder are not working on my phone..just a blank screen displays

Sent from my EVO 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Strange! I wonder why?
[HTC EVO 3D] Craysh:
Another issue that seems to have popped up.

When my phone is locked, Caller ID does not come up at all.
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
I would call that another issue. That's the way the ROM is designed and has always functioned in that regard. Thanks a lot HTC! :mad:
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
SenselessROM 2.8 - Cant Touch This!

Version 2.8 - 11/8/2011

Reverted: Bcblend and other kernel tweaks. Now on mwalts stock dimmed lights kernel. (Believe this will fix touchscreen issues reported by some)

Updated: Market 3.3.11

Updated: WiFi Tether 3.1-pre 100

Updated: ES File Explorer 1.6.0.7

Updated: Maps 5.11.0

Updated: Gmail 2.3.5.2

Updated: Adobe Flash 11.0.1.153

I believe I have isolated the random touchscreen issue and resolved with 2.8. This was a best effor attempt. It may or may not be present. Would the people that had the issue give it a try and let me know what you find?

Also if you could Hit Thanks and Donate Buttons that would be great! :eek: If not Donate then please hit the Thanks button :D It doesnt cost anything and means a lot to me ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
you are a rom baking machine!! thanks I'll flash soon and let you know how the the multitouch is responding
[HTC EVO 3D] thizzlemania91:
Can I flash this over 2.7
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
I got my fingers crossed. This is basically a revert to 2.3.... Which was the one that was last reported to not have the issues.

I dont see why note. Just make sure you wipe caches..

And I am going to already tell you now... Just go ahead and wipe Market Data before you even try to run it.
[HTC EVO 3D] Febby:
I'll maybe use this again till development gets good again in CM and others ROM's, thanks a lot! ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Your welcome. Have fun!
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
I am way too happy with 2.7 and bugfree... As much as I am a flash-a-holic... you are the only one who has produced ROMs that I never want to wipe! LOL. Until there is some huge feature change, I am good. :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] Scott:
Yeah, there is nothing wrong with 2.7. Just some people report crazy touch screen problems. For the most part I feel its isolated but wanted to give my theory a shot. So I reverted back to 2.3 and then rebuilt from there. If your happy with 2.7 then I would keep it to.

-Scott
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
I flashed over 2.7 and multitouch is still an issue. I'll try a clean flash tonight
[HTC EVO 3D] snxxxxx:
Multitouch issue??

Yes i have had it too, but i test in 3 roms, redownload one by one all my 70apps from market. And the problem is wodgetlocker. Uninstall it and reboot. Woh, this test waste my time and my data. But glad i found the problems..

I think because of this rom is senseless, many people download new widgetlocker which has sense 3.0 lockscreen too.
[HTC EVO 3D] thizzlemania91:
I've never had multitouch issues with 2.7 its actually my nandroid for when other roms go bad lol
[HTC EVO 3D] avalst:
I've never had widgetlocker on my phone. Sadly I wish that was my issue
[HTC EVO 3D] EGOvoruhk:
Did you change out the EPST.apk?
[HTC EVO 3D] Rob_ec:
LOL m c hammer version
[HTC EVO 3D] homais:
Man this rom looks great...interested to bringing this to the sensation?