yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Nope, as the "benefits" you need from RUU are actually something else, not /system files. Wipe is a MUST coming from stock.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Just one advice guys. If battery life is the most important thing for you, stock kernel is great with SSE and performance is very smooth. What you loose is speed of apps being launched and maybe some slow downs at intensive tasks. On the other hand, for a very tiny battery life trade off you get more performance with Bricked.

All in all, UI feels very similar with both kernels. If you take your time navigating apps stick with stock, if you like that quick flicking between apps and stuff go for Bricked.

Your choice. :)
[HTC Sensation] ykhuat:
Just just "HTC stock kernel v2" from the 1st page right?
[HTC Sensation] Nonsensical86:
hey guys. after flashing should i wipe the battery stats or use battery calibration app? i suppose both perform the same job?
[HTC Sensation] tommeke19:
Does the latest Bricked kernel work with the 2.4.3-2 ROM?

Greetz
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
@showp1984

Ofc.
[HTC Sensation] madmarinero:
Running on 2.2.5 SSE (I tried all the Bricked Kernels) and viber freezes if I use it more than 1 minute (proximity sensor is disable) ...if I use the Stock Kernel then Viber is working fine ...any suggestion ? ... thanks ...otherwise InsertCoin and Bricked Kernel is a winning configuration :)
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
Logs and all available info @ Issue tracker please!

I will look into that asap!
[HTC Sensation] madmarinero:
@ show-p1984 : can you guide me how to collect the logs ? ...thanks for your support anyway! ...
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
1st command window:
adb shell logcat > C:\path\where\you\want\it\to\go.log

2nd command window:
adb shell
cat /proc/kmsg > /sdcard/kmsg.log

Then launch your app, let it crash. Close the CMD windows.

Both files @ issuetracker.
[HTC Sensation] takgeun68:
how do I get rid off the boot screen with insert coin on the bottom right corner?
[HTC Sensation] jmcdonald58:
Yep pretty much same I use the calibration app though after flash I let it run down to 10% or lower than do full charge and calibrate
[HTC Sensation] KotDroid:
OK, I did it, also flashed CWM 5.0.0.8 recovery, then flashed IC 2.2.5SE and update. Got back to stock kernel, calibrated battery and I have strange issue.

Phone is 98%, I'm flashing some .zip from recovery (mms app i.e) and after reboot battery is 78%. Same situation with another .zip. Has anyone experienced something like this? I have no idea if it's ROM, kernel or recovery related.

Edit: Seems to be recovery related but I'm not 100% sure.
[HTC Sensation] Rubman:
Just run it from the computer. open the .exe file and follow the onscreen instructions (make sure your phone is at least 30% charged) and when connecting it to the pc (after you start the RUU.exe when the program tells you) check if the phone is in charge only mode and not something like disk or sync mode.
[HTC Sensation] deagleone:
sse with .5 bricked...

smooth, smoother and even loooooooooonger
[HTC Sensation] mwie:
What app is everybody using for CPU settings?

sent from XDA App on HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] deagleone:
10 chars....
[HTC Sensation] Twister988:
Quick question: how did you get that battery icon?
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Most likely with Thyrapancy theme.
[HTC Sensation] wcoast:
0.4 is more suitable on my 2.2.2 SSE
[HTC Sensation] xtrmrokreddy:
Anyone elses phone screen get all grainy and fuzzy looking? mine does so i had to restart it just to go back to my clear screen.
[HTC Sensation] apex84:
It's a known issue with the latest 2.3.4 OTA from HTC. I think baadnewz put up info on how to fix it in the first post.
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
If its the 3d bug, there is no fix. I am working on it, but HTC did some good work to mask it (LoLz)

If he uses Faux's 3D OC kernel, there is a fix. Flash a kernel that does not OC 3D.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
no that aint a fix was a workaround with 2.3.3 kernel and some 2.3.3 libs which creates more problems that it solves. all sensation devs are trying to find a fix for this but htc blow it real good, so most probably the fix will come from htc with the next update, thou nobody knows when that will be
[HTC Sensation] xtrmrokreddy:
haha damn those htc people!! yea i notice it only happens during games but its all good!
[HTC Sensation] fridgeman:
I'm still using IC 2.3.1 with default kernel and decided to give version 5 a try. After installing it I ran cf bench and it showed the CPU at 1.7ghz. I installed setcpu with the file placed on the sd card and dropped it back to 1.5ghz. Everything seemed to be running good other than mobile network download speeds were terrible, reset a few times but had to go back to default kernel to get decent network speeds :confused:
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
Something is wrong with your Rom configuration. Default clocks are @ 1536/192.

It's impossible that the kernel just "decides" to clock the cpu with 1,7 default. There must be some app interfering. Same for the network speed. Or open an issue @ issuetracker and provide logs to support this. ;) But I think it's a pebcak problem :D
[HTC Sensation] marcos600rr:
I was sniffing in my sd and found a back up of the old IC 2.6 and decided to test with bricked V0.5 and look my cf bench results im really impressssss

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using IC ROM BY BAADNEWZ xda premium
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
That's the power of love! ehh Bricked! :P :D

BTW:

Bricked v0.55 is out!
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
Damn. I just flashed the last one maybe 10 minutes ago. :eek:
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
I know I am to fast and I have no real life. That said, good night :D :p
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Get a life saddo! You and Baad ruin my life, never know when update is out so have to keep checking....

oh, well, flashing, can't say no, can i.....

:p

Edit, if you want to hang for 5 mins, i'll give some feedback.
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
As of request from tinky1 I now stop updating. Pm him that he has to beg me to continue!

:P

(finally good night ;) )
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Nice stitch up, thanks... :D

P.S. I wonder how many people will take it seriously and how soon my Inbox will fill up .....
[HTC Sensation] Lakeshow423:
Damn show! You are to fast, brotha! I just flashed. 5 on SSE 7.5 hours ago and I still have 70% with browsing texting and video recording LoL! Can't wait to try the new kernel. I just hit the thanks button, your kernels are legit!
[HTC Sensation] t43er:
The new Kernel ist better!!! 0.55 ruleezzzz :D
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
is or isn't? :confused:
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
ist=is in German ;)

Report on kernel. So far so good with SSE. CF overall 6697. UI like a cream. Scrolling within app like xda and whatsapp still juddery (could it be that freq drops back to min too often?). That's it so far.
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
Thanks. I might just wait before updating.
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
Test it:

#Enable Maximum Frequency
echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/mfreq
#Disable Maximum Frequency
echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/mfreq

It does not change the max frequency, like an OC app. It will just disable ondemand and always stay at highest set clocks.

No I am @ bed.. Good night :D
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Nah, give it a go, i love testing shows kernels, download+flash+boot all in about 2-3 mins, and if you are not happy, just flash previous back.

Will do tomorrow. :) Or rather today but later :D after i get some sleep.
[HTC Sensation] marcos600rr:
Bricked is working good by now

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using ISERT COIN ROM BY BAADNEWZ bricked kernel BY SHOW-P1984 :)
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
Morning guys.

Can i ask a noob questions. Each time we flash a newer rom, how do u guys keep ur apps settings? Its quite a chore to always add back my apps one by one into the main screen after restoring from titanium backup.

Can anyone help?

Many thanks
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
If you're doing a full wipe, then you should use an app like Titanium Backup to keep app settings, game scores, etc. Makes it really easy, also keep an eye out for certain ROM updates that don't require wiping at all.
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
Thanks for the help. Appreciated

Cheers
[HTC Sensation] keithleyson:
Anyone else experience sudden reboots? and boot loop at the "HTC quietly brilliant" animation? Just happened to mine again today. Had experienced this random thing 4 times already since I flash 2.4.3-2.
[HTC Sensation] xl DIGITAL lx:
Try disabling the CRT animations.
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
How do i do tat?
[HTC Sensation] keithleyson:
I'll try that, thank you!
[HTC Sensation] xl DIGITAL lx:
Go to the first page of this post and look for the add-ons section. Find a patch to remove the CRT-animations.

Edit: Here's the link :) Just flash it.

http://www.mediafire.com/?lpnkcx0u7ewxaco
[HTC Sensation] philippebla:
hello

in thr 2 eme post ,Fixes addons and optional stuff,remove crt animation 2.4

have a good day
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
xl DIGITAL lx & philippebla,

Thank you guys so much. You guys are helpful!
[HTC Sensation] xl DIGITAL lx:
No problem ;)
[HTC Sensation] aml114:
I have a question here i was trying to flash 1.45 RUU and it all went through until it actually tried to flash the rom then it had an error that said wrong model number. Has anyone ever encountered this or know what i may need to do anything would be appreciated.
[HTC Sensation] mgorman:
Just want to say on 2.2.5 SSE I get amazing battery life. Only lost 30 % after 13 hours
[HTC Sensation] keithleyson:
You need to have SuperCID 11111 first. Go to the main HTC Sensation developer forum and search for the tutorial. It's quite easy to do.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1192300

Keith

HTC Sensation Z710e

XDA Premium

"I dream in color."
[HTC Sensation] xdviper:
I'm getting okay battery life out of mine with the bricked .5 kernel, and I'm underclocked to 978mhz. How much do you use it? Then again, I send about 200+ texts a day so that kinda explains it.
[HTC Sensation] Jimx2:
I must say 2.4.3-2 has a really impressive battery life for me on moderately-heavy use.
[HTC Sensation] Solidus_n313:
ive found it to be the opposite :/ im thinking about going back to 2.4.3 i ended up getting almost 3 days with regular use and no charging inbetween!

im gonna try a few days of battery calibration to see if it gets any better, but i was more impressed with 2.4.3, but the performance on 2.4.3-2 is better
[HTC Sensation] Twister988:
//EDIT: Should drink one more coffee a Morning.

Just shuffled the Topics. Sorry! :D
[HTC Sensation] m_suhail:
Right now nothing thanks ill send u when rooting
[HTC Sensation] mahesh_9j:
Sensation Beatsaudio ver Released

Hi All,

Just came to know that new version of Sensation is relased names "Sensation with Beatsaudio"

http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-sensation-xe/#specs

Thanks,
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
Is it me or I am getting crappy audio recording in qhd movies using stock camera app??

Should I disable stereo?
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
can some one do a little test for me.

who has the IC 2.2.5

running the CF-Bench and do this:

logcat | grep ThermalDaemon

do you have results ?

thanks
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
Have a look @ #2

Updated Screens with a little info about the second cpu.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Your evil plan didn't work out, my inbox is still empty :p

I'm surprised more people don't go on SSE, they are really missing out on a legendary ROM.
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
Hi,

so now Im on 2.4.3-2. If i wish to flash to 2.2.5 SSE, can i just download the file and flash to 2.2.5 SSE?
[HTC Sensation] neverFollow:
Unfortunately, crappy audio recording is a "feature" of the Sensation. Check here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=16670570

Lots of sample videos on YouTube, too.
[HTC Sensation] JohnnyBlack10:
Sure,why not!
[HTC Sensation] Twister988:
Sure.

But don´t forget to perform a full wipe in recovery before!
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
I think that is exactly what he is asking. Read some pages back, I believe someone flashed SSE on top of a later version with no probate. If i was him, I'd just try it without wipe and then if something went wrong do a full wipe.
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
Yep tinky1, thats actually what i did. Partly is because I did not see Twister988's 2nd msg on full wiping.

Oh well, hopefully it goes smoothly
[HTC Sensation] Twister988:
Well, but i think some applications could have strange behaviour/malfunctions.

but dont know that...

as tinky said, just give it a try. when prolems occur, perform a wipe.
[HTC Sensation] rUmtifUsel:
Can anyone help me configuring SetCPU with this kernel? SetCPU doesn't recognize our Sensation so I've to work with a setcpu.txt file.

But how does this work?

Help.... please... :o
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Soulmace, just wipe dalvik, let apps rebuild it, and there should be no problems.
[HTC Sensation] Twister988:
Look at this:
[HTC Sensation] JohnnyBlack10:
warning of battery low when i am not on save mode not show...and why is that??? I am on 2.2.5 sse
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1261911

Baad, might want to have a look :)

Peeps, do not flash it, Devs only for now, as we have no idea what HTC done with bootloader.
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
No prob. I just flashed to 2.2.5 SSE successfully. Its darn fast! :D on stock kernal btw
[HTC Sensation] Twister988:
Then try Bricked 0.5, you will learn to fly. :D
[HTC Sensation] unicoyo:
Hi guys... ? This rom record videos in mp4 format?

Thanks in advance

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] VisedMonk:
First wipe and flash 2.2.5 SE, which is a full rom, then you can flash 2.2.5 SSE on top of that, which is a patch (ie, not a full rom). You don't have to wipe to flash the patch, but I wiped the cache and dalvik cache anyways and the rom is working flawlessly.
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
Exactly my procedure. Never encountered any problems with it.

*thumbs up for someone who knows how it goes ;)*

PS: I never do a full wipe because I am too lazy. :p
[HTC Sensation] VisedMonk:
Thanks. I have found that it keeps me from having problems as well. Virtually no FC's etc. Plus, it really doesn't take long to wipe the cache and Dalvik cache.

And, like you, I'm kind of lazy so I don't always do a full wipe unless the chef explicitly recommends it. I always tell others to do a full wipe though, so maybe I should listen to my own advice...;)
[HTC Sensation] soulmace:
Thanks for the help guys.

One problem Im facing. Whenever I use rom manager to flash rom, it will boot into recovery mode, but there will be an error msg.

I would have to manually install rom from recovery mode. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling rom manager but still no avail.
[HTC Sensation] JohnnyBlack10:
warning of battery low not show...and why is that ;? I am on 2.2.5 sse

Only show save mode warning,but if i check off save mode warning abot low battery not show...what is reason of this?
[HTC Sensation] Twister988:
The Battery Icon gets red on around 15% battery.

The warning about low battery appears @ around 10% (i think)...

I am on 2.2.5 SSE too, and the popup appears when i am under 10% and again when under 5%!
[HTC Sensation] JohnnyBlack10:
Yes.but do you uncheck save mode?...when i uncheck save mofe i dont give warning at all...phone just turn off...???
[HTC Sensation] marcos600rr:
@ baadnewz you should take a look in this is a leak of the sensation xe beats edition with the latest radio

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1261911

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using ISERT COIN ROM BY BAADNEWZ bricked kernel BY SHOW-P1984 :)
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
is in the oven ..
[HTC Sensation] marcos600rr:
Dam youre fast.......cant wait:)

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using ISERT COIN ROM BY BAADNEWZ bricked kernel BY SHOW-P1984 :)
[HTC Sensation] mwie:
Baadnwz, guys,

I'm on InsertCoin Sense Android 2.3.5 Stable 2.4.3-2 with Bricked0.5 since yesterday...

And... I... have... to... say... that this is the by far BEST ROM i've used on my Sensation so far!! :D

Flying fast, stable, battery seems to be ok (needs more charging cycles and little tweaking from me), everything is working so far...!!

I can even use my phone as USB disk in my car again... wasn't able to do so with any 2.3.4 based ROM.

Android Market has it's hickups, but blame Google, not the ROM...

A big thanks, keep up your perfect work!

If you will manage to cook something with Sense3.5 in the future which is as good as this one - I'll be on it!! :cool:

Beer is on it's way: 7BH89589PE578905Y

Cheers!!

- mwie -
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
Car thingie: Bumped USB drivers in Bricked v0.5

You may loose that when you change the kernel. Depending on if the new kernel has also the new driver in it or not.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
thanks alot mate, highly apreciated
[HTC Sensation] mwie:
Let me know when you need a tester for it!!

This is a major feature for me, I will do anything to have it running... nearly :-)

It was working with 0.4 for sure...

With 0.5 I have to do detailed testing...

- mwie -
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
rom rebased to Sensation XE leak, remember that newest isn't always the best. read the changelog please will answer most your questions
[HTC Sensation] jmcdonald58:
I have to agree ---this is running flawless for me and fast as I seen I have flashed many builds ---I added the honey transparent theme and skin --made my widgets transparent its beautiful to me ---I like to say that is thread is also very informative and the sharing of information on the how and whys are 2nd to none I appreciate the openness and positive approach most everyone here takes as this is a learning experience for me ---Baad keep em coming Salute to all

Confirmation number: 5V371338M0971114G Badd Here's one on me
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Click,click,click...... Give your ISP kick in the butt to speed up your upload please. :)
[HTC Sensation] miniterror:
may i ask whats up with this?

you guys are making youre rom with the 1.45 base so what could it give for extra to flash the stock one:S

also if you s-offed with revolutionary yu still keep s-off so why do the revolutionary thing again?
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
#1 Ruu will install firmware drivers that the rom alone will not flash

#2 cause you will be back to normal stock hboot. S-off but no support for fastboot cmds.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
highly appreciated ! Thank you!
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
upload is done, check http://insertcoin-roms.org
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
no PG58IMG for radio ? how do i flash the img file ?

EDIT: NM got it.
[HTC Sensation] matmar:
Hi baad,

Will you update romanbb add on for 2.5 ?
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Direct download link please. Having trouble getting there on the phone.
[HTC Sensation] nbicho:
Downloading as we speak ;)

TY baad, once again

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
http://www.multiupload.com/SCNCDM42KD
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
http://www45.multiupload.com:81/fil...Coin_Sensation_Android_2.3.4_Stable_2_5.0.zip
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
[SEP.14]InsertCoin 2.5.0|Sensation XE Leak ????

You sneaky sneaky little man. :P
[HTC Sensation] nbicho:
here you have it

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
Anyone have the MD5 available?
[HTC Sensation] jmcdonald58:
+1 d/loading now
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Thanks guys :) EddyOS just reported that kernel runs on 1188mhz, can anyone confirm?
[HTC Sensation] nbicho:
InsertCoin Sense Android 2.3.4 Version 2.5.0 – FULL ROM – COOKED 14.SEP.2011

MD5-checksum: a071d12057c91e3425e16ecdf53bec25 Size: 360 MB Matching radio: Radio_10.58.9035.00U_10.15.9035.02_2.img Radio MD5: b804dbc6484915c5a710eb630a353f6f

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
Thank you sir.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
yes i can confirm that
[HTC Sensation] PlankLongBeard:
I'm So Looking Forward to This... :)

Any Info on the Download? Thanks in Advance!
[HTC Sensation] Z3R0-CooL:
has anyone flashed the Radio_10.58.9035.00U_10.15.9035.02_2.img ?

do you have the PM58IMG.zip ? Cant flash radio without eng hboot right?
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
This is rather weird. It's advertised as 1.5, unless we got a leak without final kernel.
[HTC Sensation] immunityx:
Not final release that's why its a test-keys release
[HTC Sensation] miniterror:
hmm just done it but to be honest i dont notice a difference:-o

i took the file that whas linked to in youre kernel thread and flashed it

let it boot to the homescreen

then flashed a eng s-off as a diag something:p

flashed the recovery that you attached there and now running my normal setup

maybe ill already had it done somewhere:p

but now i come to my next point

how come rom devs dont put those also in there zips?
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
Ooooo I see beats audio boot sequence lol

NO United States English WHAT!!!!! And we think the world revolves around us lolol
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Bloody yanks :p

Mind you it was funny when Russia atacked Georgia... Quite a few Americans thought they attacked STATE GEORGIA :D
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
+1?

10char
[HTC Sensation] robocik:
as i see that, there is a limited edition of sensation phone, which runs this rom and is running on 1.5GHz
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
Is it just me or the signal has definitely improved with the new radio. Can anyone confirm this ?

---------- Post added at 12:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 PM ----------

Found a bug. When you try to take screenshot (power + home) it says screenshot is taken, but when you go to gallery it doesn't show up. Even when you go the dcim folder, you can see the jpg there, but you can't open it. Gives you an error.
[HTC Sensation] miniterror:
Lol why the question mark?

Off topic.

When i flashed that 1.45 ruu did i had to check for ota's as i also seen some guys talking that where using that rom and they where good if they did the ota.

Im really confused about this:s

If it comes in the 1.45 roms why isnt it in custom roms?

Im no rom chef but from my logical its part of the 1.45 rom so why not in the custom roms:s
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
question mark meaning im wondering the same thing
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
It's one of the first 2.3.3 kernel. No 3d bug. Standard clock. and a very alpha version number ;)
[HTC Sensation] B-Man2005:
So there is no major change in the xe Rom? Not even speed improvements ?
[HTC Sensation] onno11:
+2?:confused: weird indeed
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
Scrolling thru sense is definitely smoother. No doubt about it. My radio reception has increased with the new radio, but need more people to confirm it.
[HTC Sensation] skedone:
i must be blond where is the download link to the XE version
[HTC Sensation] yashper:
Hi!

baadnewz, thank you very much for your ROM's!

any plans for the continuation of 2.3.5?

Thank you.
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
btw MIUI.us just released their official Sensation Miui rom. goo.gl/8H0IG
[HTC Sensation] TaRsY:
It's a 2.3.4 ROM, not a 2.3.5. :)

Here's the link

http://www.multiupload.com/SCNCDM42KD
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
There you go. I'll spoon feed you. http://www.multiupload.com/SCNCDM42KD
[HTC Sensation] escalator:
What Sense version is used in XE-ROM?
[HTC Sensation] show-p1984:
And Bricked is still flying on XE ;)
[HTC Sensation] JohnnyBlack10:
3.0 sense.
[HTC Sensation] tbestie:
Anyone know if the Neon Themes here can work on IC 2.5? : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1229400&page=8
[HTC Sensation] deagleone:
which Version?
[HTC Sensation] nbicho:
It's fine with me, it works and saves the screenshot on DCIM folder
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Piece of ****e if you ask me. XE that is. Back to my lovely 2.2.5 and on a sby for more Bricks to test :)
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
try to open it
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
He obviously looked and couldn't find. It's called help, not spoon feeding.
[HTC Sensation] teshxx:
Touche, but don't tell t-mobile its not 4G lol
[HTC Sensation] jmcdonald58:
Y u think all Americans the same lmao
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
unless something new pops up, i applied all my magic to leaked 2.3.5, im out of tricks .. for now