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[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
the 50 would be your ISO and the 100 would be your shutter speed.

but there should also be a aperture value which is shown as F2.8

if you download quickpic...it will give you the detail on each photo. gimme the EXIF info.
[XPERIA X10 General] bobsaget78:
I have taken many photos with the X10 camera. I find my self at times with it as my only camera on me. I have been trying to find the perfect method to take pictures. I have concluded that there is a hit or miss factor, where you wil think the picture you took will come out awesome and it doesn't. Yet some will come out beautifuly and you'd swear it was taken with a real camera. I have even made 3D photos with it that come out wonderful.

I found the autofocus works 80% of the time. I haven't really tried the Infinity Focus. One of the main factors that I found that messed with the autofocus is its want to continually autofocus when you haven't hit the focus button. This seems to confuse it. I tend to focus a few times to make sure it isn't messing with me and focusing on the wrong thing.

I also noticed it is rediculously responsive to vibration. Trying to minimize that was key in better photos. I found the camera button's focus push to be easy, but to get it to take a picture was a lot harder. When I take a photo I press and hold the button. This way I don't have the phone shifting upon my release until after the picture is taken.

Great work on your post, its quite informative. Taking photos with any camera is an art unto itself. Each camera has its own quirks and you have to learn how to use then to your advantage.

- Scott
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
You couldn't have said that any better!
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
Photo Without EV

Photo With EV ON

Huge difference thanx for tutorial...:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Technically theres no turning it on or off. Its always at 0 by default. You can just adjust that to get a better exposure.

And your very welcome.
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
yep i know,i was just saying like that.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Thanks for posting that tho....it clearly shows a huge difference.
[XPERIA X10 General] User Name:
I normally prefer "touch focus" because pressing the camera button most times produces blurry pictures ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] jamieridler:
Loving the guide, going to try it out and stop beeing so lazy using the same default settings under any conditions lol
[XPERIA X10 General] diimaan:
and the metering mode helps when you are taking pictures of people or any static object at close! if you are taking pictures of people better to go with center or spot metering mode!
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Metering is much more than that. It allows the photographer to properly choose the proper metering depending on the variety of different lighting conditions.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
F2.8 is the aperture value: how wide open the lens is. Which can't be changed on our phone. Which relates to DOF (depth of field)

1/606: is the shutter speed. 606 of a second. Fast shutter speed because there was alot of light.

ISO 50: is the lowest this phone goes. The lower the ISO the less noise in the image....the higher the ISO, the more sensitive the camera is to light (higher ISO in low light conditions) the trade off is more noise in your picture.

The phone will choose the ISO setting automatically depending on lighting conditions. How much light is available.
[XPERIA X10 General] teddymild:
Thanks m8, great tutorial.
[XPERIA X10 General] 28spawn:
Hey Mr Patchy,

Remember me?

kkkk, I just take a look inside the camera app, its the same as before, maybe a little changes but nothing noticiable.

I want a review from you.

naruto20007* made the new "scheme" of arc and I took from him his version and make some tweaks inside (nothing extreme like the audio that desync all the videos, just set of photo quality inside and allowing higher fps ( dont know if it will happen) to video).

Tell me what you think!

Thank you!

http://www.multiupload.com/1RVKY11M6Z

Bye!

* Credits to you Naruto200000007 I really like your version.
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
Nice guide! I will post some suggestions too, when I get home.

First one: Always clean your lens before taking pictures, I mean the plastic protection.
[XPERIA X10 General] codyellow:
Do you use infinity focus even for pictures of people?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
When you shoot pictures of people, generally you focus on there eyes. With this camera it doesn't matter....its not gonna make a huge difference. I have well over 2000 pictures i took of my daughter with this phone and since i switched to to using infinity focus...my pictures haven't been better. Unless i use my dslr lol
[XPERIA X10 General] SpeedNess:
Wow, really nice and helpfull guide. Thanks to it I now use my camera every single day withaout complaining of how my pictures turned out. Thank you so much
[XPERIA X10 General] Guanajuato:
The Infinity Focus setting basically turns off auto focus. The Landscape setting does the same. That's why its more responsive to pressing the button - it doesn't have to analyse the picture and twiddle (highly technical term!) with the lens.

With a tiny sensor (as we have in the phones), the depth of field will always be huge. There is a distance for all focal length/aperture values that means the far distance (infinity) will be in focus, back to a relatively close point - the Hyperfocal Distance.

The aperture and focal length are fixed at f/2.8 and 5mm. With our combination, the hyperfocal distance is about 1.5m. So anything from around 1m all the way to infinity will be pretty much in focus if the camera is set to focus at the hyperfocal point.

That's why its really difficult to get the nice artistic out of focus background with a camera phone or a compact.

Thing is, with the size of sensor and quality/size of lens in these, the pictures are never going to be more than snapshot quality. Pixel count doesn't always equal better quality. My old 3MP bridge camera took far better pictures than this phone. Strange physics comes into play with ever-smaller sensors with ever more pixels.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Thanks for taking the time to write that.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Of course i remember you lol. Your the mastermind behind the 2.1 camera mod.

I can check out your mod, but to be honest i havent even played with my camera much since i flashed gingerbread. So i wouldnt know how they compare yet. But you know ill be around to install your mod (:
[XPERIA X10 General] bobsaget78:
With a bit of luck and lots of trial and error the X10 camera can take great photos.

Examples:

I have a few on Flickr from the X10, it is truely awesome when it works out the way you want it to.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30150750@N04/5843599976/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30150750@N04/5808619572/in/photostream
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Many times i have noticed myself that the stock camera wins overall other apps all you need is proper settings here again i found stuff i didnt know thanks for the tips your awesome ! ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Madmax02:
i have did a rapid test between my X10and my old LG GC900

Both have 8Mp and flash.

I do no reglage they are both on automatique.

Why my old 3 years phone have little better quality compared to my X10?

I remember when i use the LG i take some good picture but with the X10 i never have good result.

X10 pic:

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

GC900 pic:

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

You maybe know what i am doing wrong?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
By looking at the EXIF info on each photo I can see what happened.

For whatever reason the X10 shot that picture at ISO 2000 (which is ridicoulous for a smartphone) compared to the LG which shot at a more reasonable ISO 400. That would make the difference you see in noise/grain in your photo.

Unfortunetly, the EXIF infor isn't giving me all the info I want. But it sure looks like your white balance is out to lunch on the X10 photo. On the LG its at auto, and the X10 is manual.

The exposure time on the X10 is also slightly different than the LG. But not huge.

The main 2 things seperating these pictures are your white balance, and the ISO (which is also out to lunch)

Try using auto white balance for both cameras, and change your scene mode to normal on the X10 with infinity focus also use normal under capturing mode on the X10. and keep your hand steady when taking the pictures.

The X10 almost looks like you used "scene recognition" instead or normal. Which might be why your ISO is gone mad lol. Oh, not sure if flash fired or not, but that could also effect the way your pictures turned out as the X10 flash is very weak. That LG might have a much brighter flash.

repost your results.
[XPERIA X10 General] Madmax02:
ok thanks for the fast reponse.

Tomorrow i will do another test out door and in door with seting you say.

I have tested with and without flash.For now +1 for the LG flash

i will test and reporte here tomorow,thanks for your help.

Impatient to be happy to take picture again :D
[XPERIA X10 General] VisionNN:
For me when i use infinity focus with camera button, image becomes WAYYY too blurry. I dont know if its just me, but when i use touch capture, its much better.
[XPERIA X10 General] mundy725:
Guys i also want to share Camera 360 effects video guide ...

Make a difference with X10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8gUNlTj_H8&feature=player_embedded
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
Also there was a hardware mod where we remove the piece of glass on the camera and then the pics looks really awesome, the glass on the camera cover does affects the quality
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Ok, here's a couple comparission on EV+/- for you guys. These are by no means supposed to be "great shots" there just quick shot examples of how EV changes your image.

EV = 0 (default)

EV= -1

The difference is obvious. I used the exact same settings for both pictures, except I changed the EV on one.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
This picture is the opposite of the other post. My subject was the leaf...but the bright background made my leaf way to underexposed and left it dark.

The fix? adjust the EV into the + side of things. It brightens my subject to where I want it.

EV = 0 (default)

EV = +1
[XPERIA X10 General] a.monteiro:
Excellent topic.

I've got used to vignette because froyo roms didn't have SE camera, and now i've noticed something: at first glance vignette's display looks better than stock, but if you adjust the EV-/+ on stock to slightly negative, the image refresh rate and quality looks the same. Maybe the reason for better pics in vignette is due to this predefined adjustment.

exactly, i've used to have an old Olympus 3MP camera with Carl Zeiss lens that produced some stunning pictures. I regret giving it to my sis. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I hope your post helps some people realize that lower mp doesnt mean poor quality. Lol.

My old sony Ericsson k-790a was a 3.2mp phone and if i still had it i would love to compare it to this phone....because it took brilliant photos. Again, i believe that was also carl zeiss
[XPERIA X10 General] xtbk9999:
This is my problem 1 with stock SE camera app! I am 100% sure our camera is capable of accurate focus as both Vignette and Cyanogen work perfectly fine.

Infinity focus will work for most landscape photos or a quick snap, but for any subject thats within 1.0m~2.0m range I would still recommend using the auto focus.

Even its slow and not 100% accurate it still delivers a better image than infinity focus for such a close distance, and remember to use Multi-point focus as its slightly faster.

Problem 2, stock SE camera app is not responsive and snappy enough under low-light condition. I am not talking about +/-EV here as its to do with exposure. But viewfinder = phone screen LAGs a lot that it will not follow as your subject moves. and there is also a noticeable shutter lag.

Sport mode would fix this problem, but it forced the camera to use a faster shutter speed and images will turn out to be very dark if you don't have enough light.

Good explaination on white balance and EV tho.. I've also been shooting with DSLR for years and now with a GRD :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Yeah, I did state that anything close up to use macro (which again, isnt true macro) but anything else outside macro range is totally ok to use infinity on this camera.

I wouldn't recommend multi point as judging by the shutter speed it gives me its no faster and sometimes slower than infinity. The problem with multi point is it may not focus where you want it leaving your "actual" subject out of focus. Multi point basically frees the photographer from having to choose the focal point, but the problem with that is this is something you want to have control over rather than let your camera choose for you. Even on my DSLR I never use mutli point, I much rather have full control of where I want my focus. Like I stated in the op, I have spent way to much time comparing different apps and such lol...and the fact is on this camera which I found is single auto focus doesn't give a better image than infinity. Single auto focus often ends up in a blurry subject (especially if they move, like my daughter) since using infinity, she can move all she wants, I capture her and she is in nice clarity.

Don't take me wrong, as if you have been shooting with a DSLR for years, then you must know a thing or two. But what this guide is is basically sharing what Ive learned with the stock camera to achieve optimal photos. I certainly dont shoot like this with my point and shoots or DSLR...otherwise nobody would ask me to take pictures for them lol.

I think in conclusion, the camera on the X10 acts in a weird way...but crisp,detailed pictures are absolutely possible.

It boils down to the photographer himself, more so than the camera.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
One more thing. I started this thread last night and its already had almost 2800 views and something like 62 replies. I never expected to catch so much attention like that.

But thanks to everyone who visited to respect my wishes and keep this thread very clean and polite without any arguments.

Even if you disagree(d) with me (and that's perfectly ok)...its been very easy and good to talk to you.

(:
[XPERIA X10 General] diimaan:
even I had a K790i, two years back! nice snapper but my thumb hurt a lot cos of the pointy joystick! ;)

it had some mod called supermode or something you can even use manual focus! (not sure it's a carl zeiss or not cos the competitive nokia models at the time N73/93 were touting big about carl zeiss and not K790/800/810's! :))

I wonder will it ever be possible for our devs to develop such modded drivers for android cam! :(
[XPERIA X10 General] bobsaget78:
Thanks for this awesome thread. The camera on the X10 isn't DSLR quality but it has the ability to take some pretty awesome shots and does quite well in a pinch.

- Scott
[XPERIA X10 General] muratbaizhanov:
I wonder if it's possible in stock camera:

The image, the subject on the front is focused and the back of the image, I mean backwards if the subject, is unfocused or blurred.

I really love this effect, seen it on pro cameras as Nikon d500 and similar

Give me the answer please)

Ps: sorry if I couldn't explain properly
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Thats called "bokeh" and good luck achieving that effect with a smartphone. Smartphones dont give you the depth of field control you need to get that effect. Hell point and shoot cameras can barely do it. Its sort of possible on a point and shoot....but not to the extent of a dslr.

Ill upload a random shot i took with my dslr of the effect your talking about....

Something like these right??
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
go back 1 page and see the pics of the flowers posted by 1 guy,it has the bokeh effect
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Sort of...the problem with smartphones and point and shoots is the sensors are to small and they give you a wider depth of field.

To have ANY chance at somewhat of a bokeh effect on your smartphone you HAVE to use macro. Otherwise, the DOF is gonna be to wide to "blow out the background"
[XPERIA X10 General] muratbaizhanov:
yeah, i meant this exactly effect.

pity i cant achieve it. at least no i know how its called =)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Like i just said, use macro, but its only gonna blow out the background so much with such a small sensor. And of course your gonna have to stay within macro distance for it to work.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Here is a random stupid shot I just took to show what kind of picture the X10 can do under extreme low light condition when used with the right settings. The sad news is the X10 camera's longest exposure time is 1" (1 second) which means the shutter will open for 1 second to gather as much light as possible then close. If we had at least a 4" (4 second) shutter time that would be excellent. The pic is by no means a "pretty shot" of anything...its just to show under extreme low light whats possible. If you took a picture of a city skyline at night, there would be alot more light source for the camera to gather and actually look pretty good.

NIGHTIME SHOTS: JUST RANDOM QUICK ONES
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
I think it's good, most of image I took is not good cause my hand it is .. shake . So with this option, I will take the picture better. That's my opinion.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Lol ive had bad experiences with it. Maybe because i have a pretty steady hand to begin with.

But there are alot of users that would advise turning it off. If it works for you tho, dont change.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImChoog:
Really cool and helpful.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Sometimes I find touch focus works better for me than macro.. especially if the object is not at the centre of the screen
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
This effect?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Now, take that photo and blow out the background more...make it smoother. That's a bad bokeh effect.

(:
[XPERIA X10 General] kemboly:
Great thread!

So, how do I use the touch capture instead of the hardware button? :o
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Just set your camera to touch capture, tap the screen wherever it is you wanna focus.
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
Usually i copy and paste object to new layer and then blur the old layer)

It does the trick lol
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Hahaha slick!
[XPERIA X10 General] kemboly:
Thanks, I confused Capturing mode with Scenes and put Normal to both :D
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
Yeah, night photography is quite impossible with the x10, unless you make your own tripod, which I did lol.

EDIT: I really wish we have manual settings. =(
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Mind sharing a photo of that tripod?

Color me intrigued! :D

Xperia X10i via Tapatalk
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
i think they have tripods for smartphones on ebay lol

and... they have zoom lens for smartphones haha

ЕDIT:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Ericsson-X...623711?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item45fa64589f lol
[XPERIA X10 General] JackSharing:
nobody here into modified/tweak camera for x10 on gingerbread? at least had a better focusing delay. I still remember the moment camera driver of SE K750i going crazily modded :p
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
@Iris: Here you go lol

@KoMMyHucT: I have a real tripod and modified it. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Brilliant!! Nice man.
[XPERIA X10 General] FallenOut:
A nice thread. Actually I enjoy reading it. Good pointers. Needs time to digest the info
[XPERIA X10 General] Farik335:
That's my photo taken with stock camera:
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
:eek: :eek: :eek:

EPIC!

(It seems I can't give any more Thanks today,

I'll make sure I "thank" you tomorrow! :))

It must really make a difference in Night Mode,

I might try something like that myself!
[XPERIA X10 General] Gigoby:
Auto flash is missing and its terrible.. for "high-end" camera phone, how sony or reviewers calls it.

I have nexus one as well, and i can easily tell, that camera is much better there, even with 5 mpx, much more usefull, takes perfect pictures, no lag, less settings, using camera in the club, bar or etc (where is dark or not much light) LED flash works perfect. With xperia, you can forget doing photos in da club or etc.

Oh yes, at least you have time go to advanced settings, for a turning light lamp on.

And later turning off.

Xperia only good at good circumstances. For exp: during nice day, at daytime.

Also Macro works very well.

But in total:

When i bought sony xperia, i expected much more. All i have now, its crappy camera, where you need go to "advanced setings" to turn on a light lamp.. what a lol
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
Lol thanks. ;)

Yeah just go to your local hardware store and buy the items in the pic. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] AxelFLoyd:
I thought this was a treat to help people to improve themselves on takeing pictures with the device they have, no more compleins of what it couldn´t do, more like learn how to use what it can do. I dont want to offend anobody, in fact, this treat is extremly helpfull for me,(will post my pics when i learn how to uploadthem), but pls stop complaing about anything (or everything). Make positive aports or constructive opinions, wasn´t the idea of this treat?

pd: exelent post it´s helping me a lot

Sorry for my english.

Regards from argentina :)

Axel
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Its ok, I to had a nexus one and can most certainly confirm is isn't even in the same class as the x10. Regardless of the situation. HTC just plain and simple don't use even a "decent" lens in the majority of there phones. That's his opinion, and he is entitled to it...but in the end....the quality of pictures is a no contest.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Let me just clarify a couple quick things wrong with your post. A couple things you stated leaves me to believe your not to sure about photography. You say the nexus one even with 5mp is more useful....to bad mp wont determine the quality of your photo as it boils down to the lens and the photographer himself. You state the nexus one has less settings.....and thats useful? The more settings you have the better. Gives you more control of your camera. Shooting pictures in da club isnt as difficult as you make it sound as i have taken plenty great ones. Here is one tip for the club...turn off single auto focus. Its a fact that alot of cameras will have a difficult time focusing in low light conditions. Use infinity focus, especially under low light. Now im done my rant (:
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
you also said the htc desire hd camera was worse, though I can find examples that prove it is definitely as good, if not better.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/htc-desire-hd-717295/review?artc_pg=6
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Did i say it was worse, or did i just assume since its good ol' htc? Also, i stated the majority...i didnt state all.
[XPERIA X10 General] fusioncoast:
if you really want to check the power of your camera use gallery illusion HD also to click pics use hrd pro plus u will know how good your camera is in Hdr pro pulus you dont even have to adjust exposure its automatic try it
[XPERIA X10 General] twister082179:
What settings would be best to take pictures in clubs? I read the infinite focus, what else? Thanx by the way very helpful thread!!! Two thumbs up jejejejeje
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
When i get home fom work tonight, im gonna post a picture here on how i hold my x10 to take pictures, and why i hold it the weird way i do. Hopefully, this will also help alot of you with taking clearer pictures. Handshake is like most peoples worst enemy....when alot of people push the shutter key all they way to snap the photo thats where the problem starts.

So, hopefully this will help....i can honestly say the way i hold my phone to snap pictures is by far the sturdiest (if thats even a word) lol way for me.....without a tripod of course.