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[About XDA developers] ssethv:
I just really don't understand.. I have been reading though many different threads for a long time now (lurking cuz I dont have any issues to report on) but thats not the point of my post right now...

most people are helpful and respectful and thats what we fellow android lovers should be about, BUT then there are some people that are just straight up A-holes... and people in the android community wonder what is happening to XDA as a whole... just read through pretty much any thread and you can see it...

we are all here to

HELP not FLAME

!!! we are NO better than others cuz we know more or have more posts, big deal, we all started out at post count 1... alot of times I wonder how old the people on here really are? cuz they act like high schoolers... again, the majority is a good group of people but alot of people need to check themselves... i hate to say it(not really) but everyone is going to rootzwiki and android central for this reason alone... DISRESPECT... think about it.... seriously, just think about it.

If we, or anyone who honestly gives a sh** wants to restore this site to its former glory, then first start showing respect!!!

/END RANT

This thread is for voicing opinions/issues ONLY!!! Rumors will not be allowed and NO flaming tolerated!!! thanks ;)
[About XDA developers] Jazz848:
THIS. Over in Fascinate land, we're losing our best developers as well as some VERY helpful "average users" due to an apparent surge in all-around immaturity and stupidity. Thing is, in my 27 years, I have yet to find a community (online or not) bereft of the "our community's dying!" mentality.

Wherever you have people, you have politics; wherever you have politics, you have conflict. While it's frustrating to see highly valued contributors moving on, we can still follow (and learn from) their continuing efforts while remaining part of XDA ourselves. The Internet's handy like that, but it's a double-edged sword: the masses always follow the content they desire and migrate as needed. The devs are our content providers, but donations and "Thank You" buttons can only go so far to outweigh general Internet shenanigans / douchebaggery.

Basically, I am confident that the greater XDA community will continue to thrive as long as the vast majority of users continue to conduct themselves appropriately and remain intersted in the subject matter. There'll always be petty squabbling and "shocking" departures, but it takes more than that to truly ruin a community.
[About XDA developers] Omnichron:
I agree with Jazz. In the many years I've been online I have seen forums go through stuff like this. It's part of our nature as human beings. And eventually the voice of reason prevails.:)
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
I agree with you both... my point is respecting others... I have been a part of this forum and AndroidCentral for years and have never seen such disrespect at android cent...

I just don't get why some(not all) people (mainly the ones with high post counts) think they have the right to flame new people, or people that are asking for help. yes, this help may be obvious to some and not so obvious to others. but isn't the point of an tech forum to get help in a respectful manner? the other day I asked a question (and yes I did use the search tool first to no avail), and I was majorly flamed by two different people for something that was obvious to them but not to others...

the point: I hope this place comes back around

and thank you both for your input, hopefully others will read this and think about it. and I am sure I will probably get flamed for posting this ;)
[About XDA developers] MartyLK:
I wouldn't worry about it. Just as soon as someone shows the slightest anti-social attitude, put their user ID in your ignore list and you will never be troubled by them again. You won't be able to see anything they say. The thread will be populated only with constructive and helpful posts. :)

Since I started doing this myself, XDA has been a wonderful site for me.
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
Thanks, But what if that 'someone' does have some very helpful info but is just an A-hole. is there a way to filter. or just block them and deal with the loss of their info?

PS. I really like your tiny signature at the bottom... awesome :)
[About XDA developers] Jazz848:
Marty, you make a good point. The sad part about it is that when / if those people grow up, any worthwhile posts they make will go unseen by many; in a way, they really end up cheating themselves.
[About XDA developers] MartyLK:
That's very true. But there are some who are not children who are just as disrespectful as some of the younger ones.
[About XDA developers] MartyLK:
Though it is possible such disrespectful people could have valuable info, I would rather not use it anyway. I'm funny that way. If someone disrespects me, nothing they do is liked. And I personally don't consider anything from them of use.

:) Thanks for the compliment. It was an addition when I started using the ignore list.
[About XDA developers] orb3000:
@OP

Indeed we have millions of members who love and respect what XDA stands for: Development!

And with a site of almost 4 million of course problems are in millions, we will be making some changes soon that will lead into a better XDA, of course with the help of all good members out there!

As a recommendation when you detect some problem, instead of reacting yourself and possibly starting a bigger issue please report to us and we will take care.

Thanks for your cooperation.
[About XDA developers] tek818:
I agree. I definitely wish XDA was brought back to the way it was a few years ago, however back then it was mostly devs and power users. It's really hard today with the influx of newbs making threads like "I CAN HAZ CM7 ON MY EVO 3D YET?"
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
@orb3000

Thanks for the feedback... I never feed the fires of a flame... I am here for two reasons only... to get info (by READING or using the search tool) and to help other people out...

I am looking forward to "said" changes coming to the site :)
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
I somewhat agree with you... but we all started at post count 1, and were all noobs at one time... everyone that enters this site should be treated with dignity and respect. unless, the are undeserving of it, then as Marty said "block them" ;)

but i understand exactly what you mean.. and it can be annoying at times. thats when i go smoke a cig or take a breath and break from the computer for a while.
[About XDA developers] kimmikolter:
You are going on my block list. Sheesh, flaming on a thread about stopping the flames. Shame on you!
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
LOL.... i cant stop laughing, you just made my day a little better ;)
[About XDA developers] mrkite38:
The answer is that after you've been here a while and see crop after crop of n00bs come in and ask the same. frigging. questions when the answers are

right there

, you get a little jaded and start to lose patience. Sometimes you forget which things are really obvious and which were hard to figure out. All you know is that you've answered it 100 times. So some 'power users' burn out, some keep trucking, and some turn to flaming. This is NOT EXCUSABLE, just explaining the lifecycle. :)

When you're the kind of person who does things like, say, read all 800 pages of a thread (and weeding out al the useless posts) so you're sure to be up to date, then someone waltzes in and asks a question for the 100th time... it's just incredibly frustrating. For every user that does that, there's one that has come in quietly and found the information on their own, which means the information CAN be found. Heck, I was able to find it. I

know

it's out there. I earned it and they want it for free. So how many lazy so-and-sos should I give it away to before I get a bit irate? Frustration is instantly doubled if the post is in a Development thread.

We're all standing on the shoulders of those that have gone before us. Problem is, some n00bs don't seem to care if they kick the guys under them in the nuts on the way up. It gets old.

But, as Orb stated, we're making some changes that should start to reverse that trend. :D
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
well said, and I understand and agree with you... I am low on my post count on this site becuase I do use the search tool and EVERY singe question known to man has been asked and answered on this site, thats why I lurk and reseach, so I don't ask the same question again... I am on Android Central and know exactly what you mean. I was asked to be a moderator but turned it down cuz I don't always have the time... I mainly try to create guides/fixes/tutorials for the thunderbolt rooting roms and hacks section.

thanks to everyone for there thoughts and replies thus far, hopefully some more people will read and take to heart all of our opinions and issues :)
[About XDA developers] twospirits:
I agree, especially the bold part. But the current system in place doesn't help us report any problem posts. I've been here since 2007 (in fact the only other older person in this thread is you) and just comparing what was back in 2007 to now, the problem is worse with hot tempered devs and or members in general. Like I said the system doesn't give those that care the affordability to actually report a problem post or member. Having to go through a list of mods and having to choose one to send the complaint is not efficient. Maybe the report button should generate a report post that deposits in a specially created forum for the staff to see and then take care of. This not only keeps a record of problem members but is quicker than the current system.

And while I agree that the site is mostly created by developers for developers, everyone started on page 1. Everyone started asking questions. I understand that some devs (and members) will get frustrated after the same question is asked over and over. But there isn't any need to go off the deep end. The same goes for any member. In the time that one wastes making a post flaming the member, they could have reported it or better yet, provide the answer.

I've gone through threads with hundreds of pages to get an answer, but seeing so many with flames, arguments and nonsense forces those that rather not deal with it to ask the question even if it was asked before.

Now mind you, I firmly believe its not just mods but everyone's responsibility to make sure things run smoothly. If a member starts flaming, being disrespectful, etc, don't add to the argument, report it, this way the staff can remove the post. Maybe then the 100 pages threads won't be so riddled with nonsense or be so long. We can't rely on the staff to see everything, so we should do our part as well. But like I mentioned above the reporting system doesn't help.

Another thing that throws a wrench into this is the fact that staff may be reluctant to give out a warning, infraction or a temp ban to those disrespectful members with high posts counts especially if they are developers for fear that they may take their stuff elsewhere. Its a fine line to cross. Now, what the solution or middle ground is, is anyone's guess. Hopefully the upcoming changes will be a start. But in the meantime, I for one will continue to report anyone that is out of line regardless of post count or title.

TS out
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
Very true!!!

Hopefully this idea will be considered by the mods, its a good idea!!!

well put... thanks for contributing to this thread... I want this to get the wheels turning, I love this place and hate what is and has happened to it...
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
New report post system is on the way pretty soon :)
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
Looking forward to it...

How is it going to be presented... just a thought, but I think that every single person that logs into the site should be automatically redirected to the report, and should have the option to 'accept' or 'reject' the new policy. just an extra measure to make sure EVERYONE reads and understands it :)

thanks for the update
[About XDA developers] FloatingFatMan:
Not really any point. 99% of people don't want to read boring stuff like that and just click "OK" so they can get back to looking for whatever it was they were looking for in the first place.
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
I agree, I just wonder how they are going to present this "new" policy, or whatever it is?

Bottom line... I love this site, and want it to build itself back up to its former glory... I want people to say "I love XDA" , not "XDA is cool but everyone is ___"... you know what I mean?
[About XDA developers] twospirits:
This is true.

Although i am a stickler for rules and organization, most new (and old) members do not care to read through user guidelines because they are too long and thats when things gets mess up because they bypass them and then end up doing things that isn't allowed.

But in a place such as xda, lets be honest here for a moment. the Only rules that should be posted or easy to read and agree to are the following...

1-No illegal stuff

2-Be nice (no flaming, arguing, trolling, baiting)

3-Report any of the above two.

4-Read before posting (most likely its been answered already)

and that's it. (of course depending on certain issues that have come up, it can be expanded) but bottom line those are the 4 main rules that members have to agree upon.

Reason why just its that short is because xda is not like any other forum. Most that come here already are participates of other forums, be it tech or not. And should already know what is allowed or not in online discussion forums.

Breaking any of the first two should be enforced no matter who it is. keep it simple, and folks will not bypass the rules. Enforce them and there won't be any side stepping the rules and introducing bs in threads where it shouldn't belong in.

TS out (reporting members)
[About XDA developers] DroidFreek:
Can't a system like this backfire.

For example I go into the marketplace I see a device I'm interested in and begin a session with the owner. I get him to point of a near completed transaction and I drop out. Having wasted his time he reports me and even goes on further to have his friends report me to. Which ultimately gets me banned. I know it would be virtually impossible for mods to monitor every thread.

Would it also be possible to implement a temporary suspension system for repeated violations.
[About XDA developers] mrkite38:
Yes, it can be abused. That's one of the reasons we don't have a 'thumbs down' or 'no thanks' button.

We already have temporary bans and they are used often.
[About XDA developers] Jazz848:
The simple fact that we're having a thoughtful exchange of ideas and concerns on the subject is encouraging' to say the least. This thread in and of itself is a big step in the right direction...
[About XDA developers] DroidFreek:
Wow didn't know that. Hey we learn new things everyday as human beings. But all in all there truly is no way of censoring what goes on, on the net. I know I'm just one voice but the addition of this new feature probably won't be in the best interest of members. I believe XDA has become such a prominent site due to its trend setting and lack of restrictions. It's somewhat gives big time manufacturers a run for there money. In other words its a rebellion or a revolution for freedom for consumers and devs alike. Think about would Google really make the Android mobile operating system open source if it wasn't for sites like this and would it even be as popular if it wasn't for sites like this.
[About XDA developers] twospirits:
Very good perspective shown on the front of the site.

TS out
[About XDA developers] Ace42:
There's always some drama on xda, which I found odd considering this should be a more professional environment. Rather it's the Devs Vs User, User Vs User, Dev Vs Dev, or all the above, I think XDA has no space for such things. But some are just wanting to stir something up. And we can't forget about some claiming things like "stealing/borrowing" work or he said, she said battles.
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
That's one of the main reasons I started this thread :)
[About XDA developers] addicus:
I have one issue with this thread.

This is not an Android development site. It is a Windows Mobile, Android and Windows Phone development site. Yes I am dead serious about that.

None of the issues listed here are new. For those of us who have been around since 2005 and before it has always been the same for the same reasons. Those who put in the energy to read and learn, develop or follow the rules always get tired of noobs who only want answers and want them now. The only difference is now that Android is a major part of the website the numbers have increased. It's nice to know there are changes being made to fix this, but I have serious doubts you can keep a forum open, free and thriving without this issue. The real focus should be keeping the annoying, rude and disrespectful membership count to 10% and less.

If anyone here would feel the urge to research about 2 or 3 years back when the argument was should the site have more than just HTC devices you could see the new attitude of "we want, we deserve, we've done nothing, but give it to us now" coming in a much larger numbers and every one was warned.
[About XDA developers] sweetnsour:
this is something my forum could use (we dont have a moderator, so stuff like this happens:http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16455270&postcount=7558)
[About XDA developers] mrkite38:
That means you have all the senior mods at your disposal! :p Just report the post. Someone will see it.
[About XDA developers] emanuel12:
That's a problem with forums in general, it's too impersonal.

Pleople tend to forget there's another human being on the other side, actually reading and feeling what you wrote.
[About XDA developers] wewoapsiak:
I have to agree with you on the first part here, I think Developers and people who contribute greatly to our community should be given some slack when handling people that bug them for ridiculous reasons. Firerat is someone who comes to mind, the man was a genius but tended to be a bit harsh when it came to dealing with people who were new to the android world and didn't know how to search properly.

Even though I think we need more moderators in each forum, overall they do a good job on keeping the flaming to a minimum.
[About XDA developers] Jazz848:
Here's something: maybe it's the general tone here, but I must confess that I've been losing my restraint lately. I've apologized where necessary / able, but I think I need to take a couple steps back from XDA and cool down for a bit, lest I get swallowed up by a singularity of my own hypocrisy. I'll be in Lurk mode if anyone needs me...
[About XDA developers] Archer:
I hear that. I'm normally the placid one, saying things like "Hey guys, we're all here for the same thing, right?" but recently I've noticed a few "WTF are you talking about??" creep into my posts, but I suppose it's difficult not to react to someone who complains about the riots in London and the rest of the UK because it now means everyone else will have a cool phone as well.
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Yeah, youve been bang out of order lately! Watch out, Ive got my eye on you sonny jim.... :p

In all seriousness.....

Must be time for my daily "If you see someone acting like a twat, please please please report it and we will forcibly insert a large item of footwear into their back pasasage" post.

So err yeah, report the jerks, we will crush them underfoot.
[About XDA developers] Jamin13:
Lol, I must be posting my questions in the wrong place (Questions and Answers) cause I don't seem to get many answers. It's either that or that no one cares.

I know there are people here who can easily answer them. This is the first place I'd come for an answer after Googling everything about it because there are many devs on the site that know what I'm asking about.
[About XDA developers] Archer:
Now where's the report button again?
[About XDA developers] cajunflavoredbob:
I honestly hope you're kidding here. This isn't a support site. While, yes, we do answer questions here, you should not expect people to give you answers, or get upset when no one answers. The focus here is development. Everything else is secondary. If you prefer a support site, then go to Android Central or something without the word developers in the title. This sort of entitled attitude is exactly what ticks the senior members and staff here right off.

If you were kidding, then this just becomes a rant and not directed at you.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
Devs don't want to answer your questions.

The point in a forum is for USER support. That is, the users support each other. Cos I sure ain't giving people personal hand-holding through whatever menial task they are doing, when thousands of others have succeeded before :)
[About XDA developers] ssethv:
Good idea or bad idea?

I think all new members should be able to freely search and read whatever they choose, however in order to post a they must pass a 10 question quiz on the basics of rooting and ROMing. Perhaps then it would cut down on a lot of the noobish questions? Just a thought who knows if it would work or not
[About XDA developers] cajunflavoredbob:
Not everyone comes here to root or flash a ROM. Some just come for a theme or app. We've talked about having a quiz before, though. The problem with it is that it isn't practical for everyone. There are some changes coming soon though.
[About XDA developers] Jamin13:
Yay.

I'm not entitled to anything. I don't expect anything. What's wrong with me getting nothing? Nothing. :D
[About XDA developers] Kiboe:
then ***** and moan and blame the developers and random people when they inevetibly brick the device.

it's stupid.
[Galaxy S II General] hamooda2000:
Hey guys, hope someone can help out here... On top of this flickiring problem between 3G, H and H+, I am not getting push notifications when I get a new email or a whatsapp msg? I have to unlock the phone go into the app or do any kind of browsing and then it notifies me that I have a msg or an email. Long story short, i am loosing the data connection on the phone (keep in mind the phone reception is intack) and I have to wake it up to get it to work again.

Even after keeping 3G only open and not flicking between the other H & H+ I loose the connection and don't get push notifications.

Anyone has the same issue or a solution to this problem.

Thanks,
[HTC EVO 3D] calebu2:
I've been using wifi tether to connect my laptop to the internet. On my wife's Epic there are no issues - it works regardless of which radios are active.

On my Evo 3D, I find that it works fine with 4G enabled (As long as there is a strong 4G signal). However, when I am on 3G, I am only able to connect to google sites.

I'm using Wifi Tether 3.0-pre14. I've tried messing around with the DNS settings in wifi tether settings to no avail.

I figure if I spell this out here, somebody might be able to tell whether this is a problem with the configuration on my Evo 3D, with Wifi Tether or with the network. Given I haven't had these issues on my wife's phone, it is either something Evo 3D related, or something to do with the particular version of wifi tether I have on my phone.

Suggestions?
[HTC EVO 3D] evank001:
I have the exact same issue, barnacle works with all sites on 3g but only Google works with WiFi tether, it drove me nuts all night last night trying to figure it out, so I gave up..........please help
[HTC EVO 3D] calebu2:
Changing the DNS servers from google to Open DNS appears to have fixed it.

Interestingly OpenDNS does not think that my laptop is connected to a router with openDNS set up. So I have no clue which DNS servers tethering is actually using.
[HTC EVO 3D] calebu2:
I take it back. That no longer works. 4G is fine!

This issue appears to deal with it. A few Evo 3D posts there. http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/issues/detail?id=1047