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[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
and what about Caffiene Mark or AntTutu? Are they about "as useful a bricked SGS?" .

There are a lot of people who don't know or wish to edit their own ini.d scripts. I get you don't like Damian or his work. OK, but stop being so presumptuous and arrogant. Not everyone agrees with you but that doesn't mean you have to be so negative.

Instead of pointing out the weakness of something, why not stress the relative advantages of whatever firmware you do favour.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] poker_rick:
I have tried a lot of ROM and Kernel. I was on Damian Kernel for a long time and I have used Tornado. I am probably as unbiased as one could be.

Here is what I have tried:

ROM:

SeeArms

Darky's 10.0, 10.1, 10.2

Ficeto JVP, JVR R2

Criskelo V72 to V75

Mar'ts V1

Tornado plus

Obviously stock Froyo and Gingerbread

Kernel:

Speedmod

Darkcore 2.4 to 2.9.3

TalonDev 0.2.1, 4.4.8 to 4.4.15

Semaphore JVQ 1.3.3

DamianGTO Alpha 1 to Beta 3 (All of them)

Tornado Beta 1 and 2

Galaxian SP2

Tegrak

For speed, Damain and Tornado cannot be beat, probably because it is on ext2. However, Tornado is still beta and it was not full stable because of the phone app. I see that Brotuck says he has fixed it now.

To gain speed one has to OC and thats what I am after. My phone will do 1.2 Ghz on all OC Kernel. Recently, I have been able to reach 1.3 with TalonDev 4.4.15 and Tegrak app. Can't reach higher than that. With Tornado I was able to run stable at 1.44 Ghz but again phone app was not stable.

IMHO, once it fully developped, Tornado will be hard to beat.

I have kept a log of my Quadrant scores and contrary to what people says its quite reliable provided you keep testing te same way all the time. For me I do the following:

- Kill all tasks

- Run 3 Quadrants in a row and take the best

- The first one is never the best, 80% of the time, the second one is the best.

My best Quadrant: 3569 (Tornado Plus,Tornado Beta 1 Kernell, ext 2, 1.44 Ghz)

Quadrant on TalonDev: 3226 (Darky JVR R2,TalonDev 4.4.15, ext 4, 1.3 Ghz)

Quadrant on DarkCore: 2573 (Darky JVR R2,DarkCore 2.9.3, ext 4, 1.2 Ghz)

Tegrak and Galaxian were both at about 3000

I am waiting for Tornado to get stable and then I will give it another go. It takes a while to flash Tornado because of the ext2 and because Damian is against 3rd party app to control the OC.

Take it for what its worth and please do not complain about what I wrote. I am an Engineer and I only learn from experience and testing. This is the result of a lot of trial and error and I have tried not to put any personal opinion in it.

One thing is for sure tough, a few months ago there was a lot of difference in the performance of these Kernel and ROM. The more people develop, the closer we get to the limit and there is less difference between Kernel performance.

:D
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:
When trying to OC, look at the voltage settings associated with it. 80% of the time, OCing is stable on so and so kernel because the kernel dev increased the base voltage.

Yes, any SGS can OC up to 1.4 GHz given the right voltages, but a long term usage is impossible as it would degrade the hardware faster than you can melt cheese on a hot plate.

And Quadrant scores based on how much you can OC (1.2, 1.3, 1.4) is not a good benchmark. It's a known fact that 1.4GHz will be faster than 1.3GHz and so on. You can't really base it on that right?

Antutu, CF-bench (I forgot the equivalent for graphics benchmark)and other benchmarks are better than Quadrant. Try using that and perform another round of your tests.

And when you OC to 1.4GHz and call it stable while phone apps are unstable is unstable no matter how you call it.

I'm not against the kernel. The kernel is good as how I see it. I'm only against blatant assumptions being used as data and the ever "useful" argument of Quadrant scores which I still think it is as good as a bricked SGS
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] darckengel:
I also made my little tests.

I tested Semaphore/Talon/Tornado.

I didn't test snails/galaxian, cause the 65fps feature is very buggy and leads ofter to be stuck at 49 so it's for me not an option to use them.

And Darkcore is not overclocked by default so i didn't test it too.

I took the same config for all of them:

- Tornado JVR Rom (odexed)

- Airplane mode

- 1.2Ghz max/min freq

- Wait after reboot that the phone runs normally

- Cleaning memory with Task Killer

- Ext4 filesystem

I used 3 Benchs: Antutu, Quandrant and SmartBench

Results:

Quandrant (3 times each pick best):

Semaphore: 2786, 3053, 3135

Talon: 2455, 2798, 2965

Tornado: 3084, 3175, 3231

Antutu (2 times each, average score):

Semaphore: 3349, 3250 => 3300

Talon: 3257, 3333 => 3295

Tornado: 3323, 3333 => 3328

SmartBench (3 tests, average score Prod/Game):

Semaphore: 1040/2737, 1083/2776, 1050/2744 => 1058/2752

Talon: 1075/2596, 993/2526, 991/2621 => 1020/2581

Tornado: 910/2771, 927/2782, 937/2761 => 924/2771

What we can say ...

That all of 3 are almost equal, there's not so huge difference between their performances with the same conditions, Talon seems to be a little under the others, but not for much...

Maybe Damian's is a little faster in graphics purposes (It's shown in the SmartBench test and can justify the difference in Quandrant scores).

So the choice will be for Semaphore if wou need BLN, UV easily, or Tornado if you want to have the fastest system (you can even use ext2). but you will not see huge difference if you don't go above 1.2Ghz.

For battery use, it's harder to define, but as Tornado doesn't let you UV step by step but only a general UV it could drain more battery, but i can't be sure of that.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] poker_rick:
Fully agree with you. Your tests show the same thing as me. There is noting much different anymore between Kernels while on the same file system. Thats why I said that Tornado had the potential to be faster because they are using ext2 which is fater. That is when they get it stable. True that you can use ext2 on others but Tornado is built around ext2.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] daut:
nice test and review.. :)

btw what is 65fps feature?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] darckengel:
Some kernels increase the refresh rate of the screen to up the fps in 3D apps above the standard 56 fps limits, but it's buggy and you will be very ofter stuck at 49 fps so it's worse than don't have the standard limit wich is enough to all the usages ...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] M_J_Nazari:
The speed is not everything..

what's your idea about this options?

1- Battery Life

2- Sharpness and Color optimizations

3- Touch Sensitivity Calibration

4- Stability

5- Abilities

the best kernel is speedmod and the next is semaphore. this is my personal idea. test all of them on JVR.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] daut:
Thank you for the explanation.. :)

It's good idea, but it is a little bit complicated

1. what modem we used, is the main aspect, I guess.. and there are other several aspects too.

2. It can be plus point for the kernel.

3. We can use touchscreen booster in the market to change/customize ur touchscreen

4. I think almost every kernel that posted in xda, is quite stable enough.

And how to test the stability? What is the perimeter?

5. Of course you can see easily on everythread. And it can be plus point for the kernel..
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] hdaackda:
Can someone tell me what kernel/modem has the best battery life for 2.3.4 jvr?

(I currently keep switching from 3roms with their kernels and modems, darky 10.2, surface 3.2 & simplicity 0.31)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] poker_rick:
Agreed that speed is not everything: For me, Stability is first, battery life is second and speed is third. Sharpness, color and Touchscreen are way low and can be fixed by an app if needed. I did tried Semaphore and it was not real stable on Darky's 10.2 and it gave me lower performance (2870 at 1.2 GHz) than TalonDev (3060 at 1.2 Ghz).

BTW does anyone here can add some comparison with CM7? Would be nice to hear someone that could give us some comparison.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ryuzaki_eru:
With Antutu e SmartBench i get very good results with TalonDev, but Quadrant is 200points under your score e i don't understand why. During I/O test it requires so much time(7/8sec), with other kernel the I/O test was very fast(2/3sec). How come? I have lagfix on.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ZioGTS:
Did you try a different I/O scheduler? Noop seems to be the best one for me.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ryuzaki_eru:
How can i change scheduler?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] darckengel:
I used the default scheduler for all.

You can change it with pimp my cpu for example.

200 diff in quandrant is not so much.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ryuzaki_eru:
Weird thing is that with Antutu and SmartBench i get higher scores than you. With Quadrant i top 2800.

What was your default scheduler on your test's ROM?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] mainmain820000:
awesome thread.keep working.this will make more easy for us.thank you so much !
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] starschild:
one quick question: does any of these roms support call recording?

I currently am using darky 9.5 and it has it but I would like to switch to 2.3...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DonVito2020:
As far as I know none of the gingerbread roms have that. Its not supported in GB. I donno about CM or MIUI :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sherpa25:
Does Semaphore disable boot sounds? I tried Bootanimation but sound doesn't play.

Also, I'm not sure if it's related to Semaphore, but after putting a new bootanimation file, all my widgets got lost after rebooting (though the bootanimation worked fine, no sound though). Could this be have anything to do w/ bootanimation being in conflict w/ Semaphore? Thanks.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DonVito2020:
Yes Semaphore disables boot sound. Even if you change the animationzip or the kernel, it will not play sound.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sherpa25:
Oh I see, thanks. Was it designed that way intentionally, and if so, how come?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] stratosk:
Yes, this intentionally designed by Chainfire (whom initramfs is used in Semaphore) in order to release some extra space in /system partition need for rooting and for his applications. Also, it helps if you want to convert to ext4 - you need also some extra space.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sherpa25:
I see, thanks. Not a major problem. Though I believe I already converted to ext4 when I installed the Kernel, how do I check to confirm?

Another question. I observed when using Semaphore 1.50v and Darky Rom 10.2EE, though majority of the time it runs fast, there are times when the system lags even when no apps are running (i.e. when I'm just traversing the homescreens). I have a System Tuner widget and it even shows only around 30% CPU load. I also check CPU Spy but it doesn't show what processes are running in the background during these lags. These lags happen daily, around 4-5x average where pressing anything gets no response, so even accessing 1 application like Handcent just to send an SMS, for example takes too long. Or if this is normal, what is it doing regularly and frequently during these lags? Or could it be the ROM, if not the Kernel? Are there apps to check CPU processes currently running in the background during these lags?

When it doesn't lag though, the speed is remarkable. :) I'm just wondering why it's regular. There are extreme cases too when it sort of hangs too long, requiring me to reboot. I just thought having to reboot daily was too frequent.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DonVito2020:
If you are on semaphore, you can use ext4 app from here on post #7 for checking ext4 conversion status.

For checking the running apps you can use Quick System Info pro a free app from market. Its got loads of features. I use it. :)

Try doing a cache/dalvikcache wipe from recovey. May be it will help. Also use any app cache cleaning app from market to free up memory like 1 click cleaner.

Also try the galaxy tuner app to set up memory. My settings are swp 30, VCP 10, DEC 10, DWC 5, DRA 10, DBR 10 & FA 10mb, VA 16mb, SS 24mb, HA 55mb, CP 75mb, EA 90mb .

Warning !!! If you try anything other than memory manager and IO scheduler in this app it will FC

Hope this helps.

If all these doesnt do the work, try Juwe's rom. Its pretty fast and smooth. Its the best imho. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] original_mos:
Galaxian for me !! :-)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] latino147:
CM doesn't have it. I read somewhere MIUI does....but I am not sure about that.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jonalexgalaxy:
what about DebusROM? Definitely deserves a mention here! or is it not yet 2.3.4?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
well RC2 of Tornado was released today and Beta 5 of the Tornado kernel. The bar has been raised again. Complete clean of the system possible using the kernel recovery and the usb cable, no odin. Best speed, best stability, battery life and performance. Over 3600 on quadrant, file system options, OC and UV in app and kernel recovery. Rom is sleek, fast and very stable. Q = 3669
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DonVito2020:
Its a 2.3.3 JVB rom. A really nice one with a beautiful theme. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Notorious544d:
Link for Tornado Rom and kernel please.:D Thanks!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
can't post one on xda but google works...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Notorious544d:
I can't find it when I search it on Google. PM me please.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] poker_rick:
Just installed RC2 of Tornado, definitely the best ROM around now
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] anukilimanoor:
I'm using Darky's v10.2RE since they released. Tried different ROMs but i like Darky.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Brotuck:
Why is the FP not updated to include Tornado ?

We are talking about it on almost every page, seems a bit weird to me that only XDA roms and kernels are mentioned on the FP.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:
Because of the obvious reasons of it being banned for violating XDA rules of not posting sources?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Brotuck:
Tornado is a custom ROM and not a kernel.

Besides it is not posted here, what you are suggesting here is that we even cannot discuss about it ?

Hmm making me think to leave XDA forever.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:
Tornado is a custom kernel that bundles Damian's kernel.

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm only giving a well accepted fact. If it's not violating the rules, you could post here without including a link/binary to Damian's kernel.

No one is forcing you to stay nor have that much free time to boot you out the door. Please don't think too highly of yourself :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
Tornado is a custom kernel that bundles Damian's kernel.

every time you post you reveal how little you understand....

Tornado Rom RC2 is actually a custom rom which works in conjunction with the GTO Tornado kernel -- nothing is bundled, they are two discrete, highly compatible elements. But you can run the kernel without the rom, the rom without the kernel. Not bundled.

Fast though. Fastest available.

Stable. Most stable available.

Great battery. Best battery life available.

Mmm...and this thread is "the best gingerbread kernel..." xda may have banned damian but his work remains the benchmark for excellence in kernel development. In my opinion.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:
Bundling - The practice of joining related products together for the purpose of selling/ providing them as a single unit.

The meaning, for your convenice :) I'm not saying each will only work with the other, hence I posted that you could post the ROM in XDA but remove the Damian's kernel (zimage).

Remember to read before calling someone having little understanding of things :) It might come back to bite you. And learn up on some English while you're at it. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
learn up on some English meaning, for your convenice

should I start with grammar or spelling?

Again, the rom does not have the zimage "bundled" with it. They are two separate downloads, which is what "discrete" and "conjunction" implied.

Sorry to use big words to suggest nuance. I know such irony will be wasted on you.

Do you ever have anything substantive to say, or are you strictly an ad hominem critic?

This is not our first exchange. I certainly hope it will be our last. You have a terrible penchant for confusing your opinion with "accepted fact". Assertion is not substantiation. You can "learn up" on it, but then what would you do with all your spite?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] MattNicholson:
Tornado

Xda won't like us talking about tornado as we will be able to post replies too quickly as our phones are too fast!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DonVito2020:
Hi guys, Tornado is a very good rom. But please stop flaming over it. Any body can use any rom they like - End of Topic!

Thank you :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:


If it's not bundled, then post it here. I'm not flaming anyone here. But if you're rude, words will fall in deaf ears anyways.

As I said, I was replying to Brotuck of the reason why the kernel is not posted. Tornado being it's namesake is bundled into same zip as it's kernel the last time I saw it. Sorry if this was not the case, as I've spent lesser and lesser time at that forum.

As always, polish up your English when replying. Oops, shouldn't say that as you've proved yourself to have superb command of it with your words :)

Read more carefully or get your eyes checked then :)

I was asking Brotuck about not bundling the ROM with the binary/link. Linking is still illegal I think. Not the fact that a Tornado can only be used with it's kernel. Sorry for the misunderstanding :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
Tornado being it's namesake is bundled into same zip as it's kernel

Please desist in posting inaccurate statements.

Linking is still illegal I think

See the difference between policies and law.

Read more carefully or get your eyes checked then

Friendly as ever. It is people like you that give xda such charm and grace.

Clearly the reputation of xda as a forum for open-minded exchange is another of your well accepted falsehoods.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:
Let's take this to PMing as clearly all your intents are to flame or flamebait and it's offtopic aplenty here already.

And:

Tornado being it's namesake is bundled into same zip as it's kernel you forgot to include "the last time I saw it". It's inaccurate now, but it wasn't the last time I saw it. I'm saying this as a fact that has now changed, and I apologized for it as I've not visited Damian's forum for a long time. Let it go.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Erakko:
Tornadoes are the best available. You can't deny it when you've done some tests with them. I love them.

This thread is now full of flaming and such. Maybe everyone should calm down a bit and go to PM's as Pikachu said above me.

@Pikachu: Why don't you go to right place to discuss about Tornadoes? XDA is not the right place for it :P

I have nothing against no one. I just wanted to say I love tornado things :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:
Actually, if you follow the thread, I was disuadding from discussing Tornado when the ROM is not published here. I was instead persuading them to post the ROM to XDA (without the kernel/binary as it is illegal to do so).

And then went the flaming/flame baiting. To people who never try to read, please read before commenting :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
Eyes tested. Check.(Guide dog on hand just in case).

Dictionary in hand. Check. (English nephew on-line but he's not much use to be honest, keeps saying things like "brilliant" and "gobsmacked" which doesn't help me much as I need an interpreter to understand him, but he is English after all).

To people who never try to read, please read before commenting

OK, as per your directive, I have looked through the whole thread and I still can't see where you posted your preference, option or choice for "best gingerbread kernel" which is the topic of the thread.

This would, of course, constitute a positive contribution from you. Sorry if you consider such requests "flame baiting". At this juncture, I suspect anyone still reading this thread is curious what your preference is and why.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pikachu01:
Perfect example of flame-baiting (just in case you're wondering how you're doing a flame-bait):

Someone a few posts earlier asked why Tornado is not in the list of kernels/ ROMs. I was trying to help by providing the answer of:

1. Why Tornado isn't listed

2. How Tornado can be listed (the ROM only though as the kernel is banned for obvious reasons).

Please PM me if you have any personal grievances against me (as from your posting, you obviously do) and please refrain from off-topicness as well (you can PM me for that too, I don't mind off-topicness in my PMs).

And please redo the checks you've done above. One of it might not be thorough :) As always, please PM me.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
Do not go gentle into that good night,

Old age should burn and rage at close of day;

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,

Because their words had forked no lightning they

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright

Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,

Rage, rage against the dying of the light

Dylan Thomas

I have no personal grievance against you: how can I, we do not know each other.

It is your actions, your self-appointed status as monitor of other people's ideas, your censorship and sanitization of anything other than your idea of an approved mantra that offends me so. You do not contribute anything of a creative, constructive manner but you perceive yourself to be correct, inviolate and above reproach. You even fail to recognize humor when it is presented openly and transparently.

I shall rage against the dying of the light no more.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] A.G.:
And now for something completely different, aka back on topic:

Please correct the entry for Ginger Real 7.2: it is no longer developed by redmanner but by dariolob. For this reason there is also a new thread since 7.2 with dariolob as OP:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1240085

Redmanner is still active for the SGSII and has announced to start work on GingerReal2 soon which (if I understood correctly) should also come to the original SGS.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lgsshedden:
latest version of damian's kernel is flying, RC2 released today and scores are up over 4000.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jose.celestino:
If only he read the GPL and we could all benefit from it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Brotuck:
You still can, only not on XDA. ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jvidia:
Update to OP: DarkyRom JVR 10.3 out ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DonVito2020:
Hi,

Cant find the update in the development forum. Pls post a link :),

Thank you.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jvidia:
http://www.darkyrom.com/community/index.php?threads/rom-cwm-sgs-cappy-darkyrom-xxjvr-10-3.5282/
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Zikor:
^Darky's JVR version is still on beta.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DonVito2020:
Yup thats y I havent yet added it to the list. Thanks

:)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lockmunk:
anyone can suggest me the best ROM for my i9000??

my GPS not work on my current ROM :(

i try official XXJVR & DXJV9..GPS not work..

i also try blockbuster 5.0, CM7, & darkyrom..

also not work.. :(

how to fix it??or custom rom?