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[General Topics] xaccers:
Well it works like this, you buy a patent with one of your competitors and then it can't be used against you by them.

It also saves you money as the cost is shared and there is one less bidder at the auction to ramp the price up trying to out bid you.

Sure, you then can't use it to make a deal with MS to infringe some of their patents for free, but if you don't win the bid, you can't do that anyway, and they can use it against you.
[General Topics] domineus:
all together

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FAIL GOOGLE =)

that is all
[General Topics] HoneyCombs:
Monopolies are never a good thing. Whenever one company becomes too powerful and controls everything that goes on in your life it becomes a little frightening.
[General Topics] canadariot2312:
Or they could suck up their pride, have patents along with Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, etc., have this cross-licensing patent deal and have less lawsuits. On the other hand, they can buy all the patents and use them for "defensive purposes."

I don't like the patent system either and I am pretty sure that Google won't fix it.
[General Topics] EdWaRdW818:
Booms! Plurals! Gets used to its!
[General Topics] Gusar321:
Yeah, but there's tons of patents that aren't part of this particular portfolio. So all there would be is Google spending a lot of money while not being any safer from litigation.

What does this have to do with pride? It's all about needing to amass a large portfolio of patents just so that when you're sued (and you *will* be sued, because it has become impossible to create *anything* without infringing), you have something to defend yourself.
[General Topics] Kiboe:
their street view cars can read e-mail too, ya know, they have wifi-detection software in the antennas of those cars.

[/tin foil hat]

every company sells info, hate to break it to ya. and the conspiracy nuts fail to reealize those antennas are there so they can detect a wifi hotspot like a coffee shop or private network, and put into the maps software.

imagine if you are a traveling buisiness man with a laptop, and don't have a wireless tether on your phone, also if you are in a dead zone (serious, all verizon customers, go to mound city, mo, just TRY to use your data there, you will be lucky if you get 1x, must have somthing to do with the bluff)
[General Topics] termleech:
Google's biggest problem right now is Apple, especially with the recently ruling Apple got against HTC <I would post link if I could but I'm not allowed yet>. So it would have been beneficial for them to jointly own them with Microsoft, for a couple reasons. First being Apple isn't going to go after Microsoft, their patent portfolio is too big. But more importantly it gives Google more defense against Apple which is really what they need right now. I believe I read somewhere that Google only has about 1000 patents related to the wireless and I'm sure Apple has ton more.

I do agree the whole patent system is rediculous for software but unfortunately it is what it is for now.
[General Topics] Kiboe:
well, technicly google got into the mobile market back in 2003 when they purchased then start-up company Android Inc.

and people forget that the iPhone wasn't the first capacitive touch screen phone

anyone remember the LG Prada? (yes it was a feature phone but the point is that it was a touch screen phone, the first of it's kind)

****, let's go EARLIER then that, the IBM Simon, wasn't really a "cell phone" maybe bag phone, but it had a resistive touch screen.
[General Topics] somecelly:
"We have a mantra: don't be evil, which is to do the best things we know how for our users, for our customers, for everyone. So I think if we were known for that, it would be a wonderful thing." - Larry Page

I totally want to have Google's babies! :)
[General Topics] MartyLK:
When I say Google is for humanity, I'm speaking in relation to their sphere of involvement, not a "Christ" or anything weird like that. Google cares about benefiting humanity with convenience and comfort. Example: If Google knew of a perpetual free energy source, they would reveal it to the public. The others might be inclined to keep it secret from the public because of deals or influence from battery makers or oil companies. Google would laugh at an oil company who wanted them to keep free energy from the public.

If Google discovered alien life, they wouldn't be inclined to keep it from the public in order to keep church safe. They would reveal any and every information that can potentially free humanity from tyranny. NASA would oblige the government for the sake of religious lobbyists in Washington to keep it secret so humanity can remain under control of the church that much longer.

Sure, Google is a business. Google is made up of people who have the same needs everyone else does and need to make a living. That doesn't mean they have to conduct their business like the "good 'ol boys" do. If Google fails, humanity will remain in darkness that much longer until another entity comes along and rocks the system.
[General Topics] mavness:
mo money mo problems.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
Yeah, Apple and MS have been around much longer and have many more patents. It is in MS and Oracle's best interest to keep Android around so they can profit off it. Apple is the more dangerous enemy. They lose nothing by having Android killed off(WP7/webOS will become new competitors instead)
[General Topics] :
If Google fails, are we supposed to use this thing called "Yahoo Mail" back from ~2004? :)
[General Topics] Kiboe:
webos, considering the latest webos phone has a 1.5 inch screen, lol, okay.
[General Topics] Frustratez:
OH JESUS!!!!!!!
[General Topics] ferparedes:
Windows Live Mail (not half as bad)

iCloud or whatever it's called now (haha not) :D
[General Topics] domineus:
what a benefit it is of humanity to steal individual private data without consent, sell it, regurgitate the information for the purpose of advertisements...

how beneficial /s
[General Topics] canadariot2312:
Okay, now this thing is getting confusing. So Google wants all those patents for themselves. They won't have it any other way. Doesn't seem really defensive to me. I like Google, but this David Drummond is making Google seem like a bunch of whiners.
[General Topics] Reflexx1:
Google didn't really have any interest in sharing patents. Why? Google isn't at risk of being sued.

Google infringes on the patents of others, but doesn't "sell" Android.

But Google's partners do sell Android through the sale of Android handsets. This leaves Google's partners' open for litigation.

The only way that Google could "protect" its partners is by completely owning the patent. If they are just a minority player in the ownership of the patent, the other companies could still demand payment from carriers that are selling the Android OS that is infringing on the patent.

Google's fear right now is that because of the patents Android has violated, that will cause OEMs to have to pay licensing fees for every handset that uses Android. In effect, paying a cost for Android.

Android then loses the anti-competitive advantage it had by being "free". And now must compete on a level playing field, where OEMs will choose an OS based on the merits of the OS itself, and not as much about the significant cost savings of having a free OS.
[General Topics] Gusar321:
I'm not sure such an ignorant post actually warrants a reply but...

Have a look at the LG Prada. Then have a look at the "app-drawer" of every single Nokia phone from the past ten years. Then compare them to the iPhone. Further, have a look at the notification system in the upcoming iOS5.

How did you get to this part?

Have a look at who is the aggressor here. It is definitely not Google. Then have a look at who has a history of patent litigation. What do you know, it's again not Google.

The whole software patent system is BS. It's not whining to point this out.
[General Topics] Airfaire:
wow, all this arguing is so much funner than a good ole fist fight...
[General Topics] aFo3262:
Very true. Someone like MS can offset licensing costs because they charge for the OS. I don't think Google wants to get in that game. As the cost for using Android rises, it'll be interesting to see what the OEM's do. Do they believe Android is a strong enough selling point for their devices, or will they move on to another OS? Moto and SE are pretty much completely dependent on Android, but HTC and Samsung have already diversified a little.
[General Topics] ferparedes:
Exactly what private data do they sell without your consent? Do you have any facts to back this claim of yours?
[General Topics] galaxys:
Go Google!!!
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
At this point google looks like a bunch of whiny self righteous pansies whining because they didn't get their way and begging for the sympathy of others unjustly. Oh, sure you're a multi-billion dollar corporation who's monopolizing anything you can get your hands on but well sympathize because... Wait, I don't know why. They can't exactly say they didn't know about all of these barriers and they had to know that the **** would hit the fan sooner or later.
[General Topics] Gusar321:
This one I totally don't get. Google was quiet all this time that the manufacturers were getting sued. Quite a few of us were eagerly waiting for Google to respond. Now they finally did. For the first time. And immediately, it's whining? On their first response? It makes no sense.
[General Topics] user7743:
A genuinely funny sentence :-)
[General Topics] medseven:
This patent war thing had been going on for ages;

theregister(dot_co_dot_uk)/2010/09/17/windows_phone_7_android_patents/

Much like the super duper huge gas companies with their millions and millions of $$$ patenting anything and everything that could be developed into eco, cheap renewable sources of energy. Different case, here its not multinationals against their independent innovative rivals, its multinationals against multinationals, but worth the point for perspective all the same.

No offense, I can see your a fanatic loyalist, but that sounds like a load of mumbo jumbo ignorance to me. Google's current portfolio of applications could suggest its motives or could be as easily hiding their long term motives!?

If anything, the fact they are huge and seem reluctant to work with the rest of the industry and go it alone could be suspicions. How google is seen as anything other than just another monopolizing giant is unseen to me. They're just smart, try to own the gateways for ads or gather together code for an OS, as opposed to be the manufacturers themselves and hence can pass on blame.

It is true their current base of applications: Google maps, Google +, Google talk ect are people friendly, and is this 'humanity' orientated or a profit greedy company with very good supply and demand research skills?

All in all, pretty much all I know for sure is my ZTE Blade was cheap and is nifty, and im kinda liking my streak 7 as a games machine (although battery is annoying). I like it :)

On a last note, anyone ever thought there all in it together and this is just one big public show to be used as an excuse to drive up prices by all parties later on!!?
[General Topics] reverie7:
Corporate drama never gets old
[General Topics] domineus:
http://googlemonitor.com/2011/new-g...n-evidence-will-ftc-reopen-its-investigation/

http://epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html

you were saying?

fantastic tangent that does nothing to my initial argument. Google is an awful company nuff said. And the idea they work toward humanity is ludicrous
[General Topics] MartyLK:
How else are they going to find out the useful secrets the govs and special interests want to remain hidden from humanity? They could try hacking for the secret info. But that would be illegal. The best way to do it is by purposeful accident. :D
[General Topics] xaccers:
Can you please quote the parts which state google are selling the information to 3rd parties?

I'm looking on my phone and couldn't see any statements or evidence of that.

Thanks.
[General Topics] domineus:
forgot a link

http://www.stern.de/panorama/datenhandel-verraten-und-verkauft-636773.html

there we go
[General Topics] pmcqueen:
all companies are "awful companies" if the measuring stick is how much they value their consumer's privacy. especially in this day and age of marketing, the goal of any company is to gather as much information about their consumers without breaching legality.

the fact of the matter is this: if privacy is of concern, ditch your internet connection, ditch your cellphone, ditch your house in suburbia, ditch every company you have ever shopped in or supported and go be a self sufficient mountainman. you are being "watched" (figuratively) in some way or another nearly everywhere you go these days.

I agree: google is not for humanity. business, by default, cannot be for humanity. there isn't a business in existence whose sole purpose is to better humanity.. a business with that goal won't last as a business for very long.

sad, but true.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Can you quote the bit that says google sell personal information without consent?
[General Topics] domineus:
certainly

^

Right there
[General Topics] xaccers:
Sorry which bit of that says google sells private data it collects?
[General Topics] medseven:
One of google's 'ethos' saying's:

'To provoke machine's to think for themselves' !?

As in to release a bit of software and you bastard companies who use it deal with this law **** yourselves maybe!?

Saying was found on research.google and googlelabs.

One thing that bugs me, is that Linux was and has always been a free, open source OS. Has been open sourced for decades, used for Backtrack, very much an OS designed for hacking the hell out out of everything. Theres over 250 linux builds available (search linux builds on wiki) and yet over 240 of em are free source from day 1. Also how linux goes from open source to the biggest billboard ever, never so many adds anywhere!

Funny thing, the ones that are not open source are Meamo; that thing between Nokia and some other company. Sony, who use it for playstation and android phones. And android itself. Mostly phone orientated company stuff, who really havn't done jack for the OS, dumbed it down mostly, compared. And it turn, they close the open source, then open it again but only to multi million advert payers. Never has there been a Linux before with so many ads all over it.

A load of fkin crazy **** when a thread like this come's along. What is this, a for or against google, or who can back up the most facts on the company.

Seriously though, im not one of those anti commercial fck the economy i sleep in tents people, but at the same time, im not like suck the face of the politicians e-commerce brother. After reading this I just want my plants to finish!

Advert

Ad-vert-ed: To call attention; refer. Used with to: 'He adverted to the problem in the opening paragraph'

To be in-vert-ed: 'To turn inside out or upside down: invert an hourglass'

Yea, an hour glass with Alice fkin Neo shaking a crystal ball.

Seriously though, how many ways we see the OP.

Galaxy on Fire Online anyone!
[General Topics] Gusar321:
Yeah, I though your "stealing" bit is in regards to Android. Cos you know, that's what this thread is primarily about. I didn't see it's about some crazy conspiracy theory, because well, how could I have expected that.
[General Topics] adfad666:
all companies do the same when they don't get something they want. Microsoft desperately wanted to buy Yahoo! but when they refused Microsoft turned round and said they didn't really want them anyway...
[General Topics] rawrbitch22:
google ftw! apple can suck a **** i hate apple their on sum girly type ****
[General Topics] Daeva:
The patent system needs to be overhauled in my opinion, it just seems it doesn't serve the purpose it was intended to.

Too many patent trolls out there trying to sue everyone over nothing out there and their greed is holding progress back.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
G+ is the future :)

This is one example of why Google is for humanity. They provide features and abilities the rest of the system just will not do. Who would ever expect that we could make phone calls over WiFi...right now just WiFi, until Google wrangles data calling in...for free? Google has brought about so many free things to users that the rest of the system wants us not to have.

There are other fine examples...free books, comes to mind just now...of Google providing comfort and convenience in life that I can't think of right now...too excited about my brand new Google Nexus S that I just rooted :D

Free voice nav is another. Let all of us think of something Google has provided users that none of the others ever have and list them in this thread. It will shut up the ones who say Google ain't all that...lol
[General Topics] joosix9:
Kick some butt google
[General Topics] ferparedes:
Nice links.

I don't see where it says they're selling my information to anyone. I can clearly see they use my information for building a profile and using that to target ads. Good or bad, they're not giving my emails to anybody (or maybe they do, it's just not proven yet).

Google sells ads. That's how they make their living. They don't sell information, because, well, that would be dumb right? If they sell the information they have about you, someone else could sell or target ads without going through Google.

Does this make Google a do-good cuddly carebear type company? Absolutely not. Do I like it? Not really. But that's an opinion. Let's stick to facts, shall we?

The known fact is that they do collect information. Sometimes they collect way too much. Is it a known fact they *sell* it? no.
[General Topics] ferparedes:
Give it a rest. They aren't for "humanity". They're first and most important obligation is to their shareholders. After that it's probably their employees. After that it's you.

They're just running a business in a smart way:

1. Make products people want at a price they are willing to pay

2. provide value through those products so the expected revenues and margins they get can grow

3. Build brand value (here is where all the apparently pro-humanity projects come in - they provide brand value and recognition)

It is also what Apple does. The difference is that Apple has the culture of a perfectionist egomaniac called Steve Jobs.
[General Topics] duanxiaotao:
This is true, I believe.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
You don't see what I see. I've been in this world a considerable time and have experienced how businesses do their business for a very long time. Google is the first company to come along that has stood against the grain of normal business practices. They've rocked the boat, so to speak, and have done all that other comapnies can't stand...give stuff away and make compelling and significant contributions to society.

You want me to give it a rest. But there isn't anything to give rest to. What I say is pure and true about Google, no matter if anyone accepts it or not. If Google was gone, you'd discover how valuable they actually were to the market system and humanity. Google's maps project, alone, has brought untold amount of convenience for humanity since it began. Even the mighty Microsoft can't compare to Google's maps and web indexing functions.

Take it to the bank and value Google while they are still here. If they leave, business as usual will return to the same way it has always been. And you won't like it since becoming accustomed to Google's way.
[General Topics] ferparedes:
I have too. And all that you write here is true enough, as was true of Xerox PARC and Sun Microsystems in their day. I'm sure we can mention a few more. But the "..it is for humanity.." bit is going a bit overboard. You see, Google isn't the only one who's "rocked the boat" and are not ruthlessly in their pursuit of profit. Letting you use the products you mention for free is part of their business strategy, but by no means are they actually free: Someone is paying for them. And they're not giving them away "so we can better humanity". It's their business model, nothing more.

You think Google's disappearance would be disruptive to humanity? It wouldn't... they have a monopoly on search and some products but there's no lock-in and by no means are they irreplaceable.

Their products are good but they haven't cured cancer yet.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
It shows how much people now take for granted all that Google has done. Like I said, if Google leaves, people will then begin to see how much Google did for them...when they no longer have those conveniences.
[General Topics] chewbz:
Google is the bees knees cause they give free turn by turn navigation. But ehh what ever with this patent bullocks. Google is a good enough company for me. I can't stand iTunes sync, why can't I just drag and drop a music folder into my iPod... rage!!!! I love my PC but I hate windows mobile phones, the tile UI is an epic fail, I had the og zune and the interface was doo doo. Ehh if android tanks I guess ill have to get a fail iphone like all the "masses"
[General Topics] majorpay:
You're an odd one Marty . In one thread, you praise Apple for their evil tactics, calling for the destruction of everything Google, while in another thread praising them for being the ghandi of the digital age. Are you the resident **** starter?
[General Topics] zxcplayer:
Of course everything is about business and money, it's instinct to stay a live

But I prefer Google:rolleyes:
[General Topics] Tone_:
Very hard to fathom.. complete u turn in opinions in hours.. bit confusing really.
[General Topics] sleeperzzz:
You know what i say about all this patent crap.

Daily crap.

True that Apple is aggressive no doubt about that but heck if you think about how much ground they lost over the years against the Android on American grounds then wow no wonder they become aggressive or rather desperate.

I see no company any better or worse then Apple. Once a company looses grip and sees the light to get some income then they are like bees to honey.

MS does it, Apple does it, Google does it. It's just a business strategy.

I believe the real issue is that 1 person, the judge, has to place a verdict on this.

Doing so knowing about the products and getting informed by all the personnel so that he/she can verdict if the claim is valid or not.

This in a totally objective environment while they check their agenda on their new iPhone :).

Anyways i think google just made a wrong bet in the past and now it comes back haunting them.

It happens in every business but it's just too much spoken of cause in this day of age you either have iOS,Android,BB,W7 and thus although you aren't affected by this lawsuit you fear that 1) Android stops to exist or gets dropped giving you a worthless phone 2) your next phone will be more expensive.
[General Topics] c9h9no3:
Nice to see Google deploying their troops, but I can see us one day fighting googles monopoly.
[General Topics] Tone_:
FTC are looking at this

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1212630