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[Atrix 4G General] NibblerWeather:
It may depend on how much you owe on breaking contract. The reality is if you have to fork out cash for a new phone you may as well go to another carrier and purchase a new phone......giving a free phone can keep them from losing a customer. Especially if they are giving you a new phone (same model) which is something you owned for 1.5 years that has depreciated in value anyways.

Yet for repairs and theft its better off to force the OEM to fix with warranty.... or fill out legal paperwork for reporting stolen property. In either of these cases its better to let ATT stand back and let somebody else fix the problem.

I have spoken with account cancellation services at ATT many times with the intention of striking a deal by merely pointing (politely) out the cost of going to another carrier is less than my current options....they are always willing to accomodate.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
You know that's insurance fraud right?
[Atrix 4G General] getyroks:
This is why our rates are going up.... thanks alot!!!
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
I wonder if this is related to the [potential] eventual AT&T-sanctioned unlocking of the Atrix bootloader?
[Atrix 4G General] NibblerWeather:
I think it may also be due to the fact that an lte ATRIX is likely on the way...perhaps a launch phone for AT&T lte... would basicly be a cut/paste of the bionic.

Makes sense, once lte launches on AT&T any lte phone will also do hspa +... I expect it by the end of the year. And all of the people that purchased the original ATRIX may begin looking for a way out/upgrade....etc
[Atrix 4G General] Bruincdc:
1st The replacement is not a refurb but a new device (Iphones).

2nd It is Asurion, as the current coverage is $11.99 through them.And the deductible is actually $199 already with Mobile Protect. So for the IPhone it is actually lowering in price , SIGNIFICANTLY!!

3rd the 12 month warranty does not cover Loss/Theft. Lose your phone 3 months after purchasing it. What options do you have??

Of course the 3g/3gs are bit tough due to then original cost BUT for the IPhone 4 it is better than $450 to do an Early Upgrade and that is only after 6 months from upgrading/activating.

4th You always have the option of finding your own coverage through a 3rd party not affiliated with Asurion and AT&T (i.e State farm or Square Trade.)

BTW The insurance monthly rate will be $6.99 for all devices starting Oct. 1st. same $50 deductile for basic devices, $125 for advanced devices and $199 for IPhones.

Not to ruffle feathers of any kind but just wanted to clarify this. :D:D:D:D:D
[Atrix 4G General] phobos512:
Hey, does this count as a material change to the contract? i.e. get out of contract free?
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
I just got off the phone with AT&T Enterprise. The date for insurance change is October 4th, not October 1st. Also, this will not be limited to the iPhone regarding the tier change. The AT&T system does not yet show which phones will change to tier 3, but this information will be available on or before October 4th. So, it could be very likely the Atrix along with other smartphones will be added to the new tier.

http://mobileprotectionpack.att.com/pricing-enrollment.html

Also not trying to ruffle feathers.............just clarifying on an incorrect clarification! :)
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Instead of the "insurance fraud route" *rolls eyes*

It would probably be much better to look into something like Squaretrade. They constantly float 30% discounts around.

Current code today is SUMMER ... (Max discount $30 per warranty)
[Atrix 4G General] gnahc79:
I thought without insurance to cost to replace a phone is the full non-contract price. If so, that $283 vs $300 comparison is incorrect.
[Atrix 4G General] scotty7910:
is this the correct section for carrier, not even atrix specific news like this?
[Atrix 4G General] Saschwatch:
It does at least apply to the atrix, so if it belongs anywhere, it would be here :)
[Atrix 4G General] scotty7910:
I think the "if" in your reply validates what I am thinking.There is waaay too much at and t only and usa only posts in this forum most of it passable as relevant enough to get in.This however isnt.Forum should be split in to sub forums apart from android development section.Jeebus I mean even the section titles start with "discussion about the at n t atrix"
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Couple easy solutions here...

Take care of your stuff.

Don't use att for insurance.

Stop giving them money for ****.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Pretty much answered this in the throttle thread. Yes it belongs since the majority of people here are AT&T...
[Atrix 4G General] scotty7910:
very democratic
[Atrix 4G General] gzrecoil:
Read thread title, this is about the Atrix.

At least the flier that came from AT&T about my Atrix said my rates were going to be increased :D

I ditched my insurance last night, but boy, I will be upset if an LTE enabled Atrix comes out!!!
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
I got the official flyer in the mail today.

The Atrix 4G is moving to the new Tier 3 insurance, ($199 deductible), on October 4th along with the iPhone (all models), RIM Blackberry Torch 9800, Samsung Galaxy Tab i987, and Samsung Infuse 4G SGH-i997.
[Atrix 4G General] 1username4thisforum:
Insurance on a device that will be outdated in 6 months????

Theres a sucker born every minute
[Atrix 4G General] gnahc79:
w/o insurance, replacement cost:

$450.00 brand new, $400 refurb, or $??? from ebay. that shiny $150 or less price is tied to a 2 yr contract, does not apply to replacing a lost phone when you're already in a 2 yr contract

w/ insurance, replacement cost:

Worst case you lose your phone 1 week before your 2 yr contract comes up:

$199 deductible+$7/month x 24 months = $367

Avg case, you lose your phone 1 year into your 2 yr contract:

$199 deductible+$7/month x 12 months = $283
[Atrix 4G General] DeathKoil:
A new Atrix is 450 dollars, unlocked on Amazon (several sellers).

A new Atrix is 450 dollars from AT&T on their website while not signing up for a contract

A refurb Atrix is 400 dollars on the AT&T website while not signing up for a contract

Not sure where you got your costs from. Maybe its more over seas?

Anyway... your other math is sound. Assuming you pay for the insurance all 24 months and have to get one replacement, you pay 367 dollars. Assuming you get one replacement 12 months in and then stop paying for insurance, you pay 283 dollars.

Seeing as most people will either pay for it every month or not pay for it at all (in other words, not pay for it for one year then stop paying), the cost difference between getting a replacement (which will be a refurb) out of your own pocket or through insurance will be a difference of 33 dollars. Totally not worth it. Especially when you can get an unlocked one for about the same cost as an AT&T refurb, and a few dollars cheaper than an AT&T brand new Atrix.

DK
[Atrix 4G General] gnahc79:
strange, the prices I had originally were from AT&T when I was logged in through my premier acct. I went to wireless.att.com on a different browser and see the correct pricing now.:)

whether or not the insurance is worth it depends on the person... it's called insurance, so it's worth it if you lose your phone within 3 months. Not worth it when you never lose your phone.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
The most economical insurance is a good tpu case and not losing your phone. Price? You can get 3 tpu shipped from hk for about $7usd. About 3 week wait though. Or one from amazon for $8-$10. And have it ~3days.

Sent from the coolest voided warranty phone ever.
[Atrix 4G General] ac7brier:
My insurance I bought is called an Otterbox. One time payment of 49.99 + tax.
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
That's great!.................But it's not indestructible, and doesn't 100% protect the screen if you happen to drop it and land on something with the screen side down like a rock for example.
[Atrix 4G General] jaketc:
SCAM! if u try to get best buy to replace your damaged phone, they give u a dumb phone as a replacement while they uselessly try to fix it for 6 weeks. They also remove your data plan in the process, which will mess your monthly plan something fierce. Bottom line, it is a horrible ordeal. Id pay 300$ NOT to go through best buys "black tie" fiasco!
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
I think the insurance haters are looking at it wrong. Since AT&T has a lemon policy (3 replacements = any new similar device free), the insurance is more of a "never buy a phone again / never sign a contract" policy. You buy a phone, and let's say after 18 months lose it (the same amount of time after which you could have bought a new phone with a new contract). You make a valid insurance claim (no fraud), get a new phone. Because your phone is 18 months old, you pay a $50 deductible, plus 18 months at $6.99, equals $175.82. Often, AT&T will let you get a newer phone as insurance replacement, but if they don't your warranty resets, and you can lemon policy your way to an upgrade fairly quickly (and if you can't find enough things to complain about on an 18 month old handset, you aren't using it enough).

If you lose your phone earlier, you get a new handset earlier, and for $6.99/month less for every month earlier. You never sign a new contract, so you can always buy a new phone and have two different new phone models to play around if you feel like it.

In most circumstances, if you are buying new $200 phones every 18 months, you save $24 using insurance instead of upgrades, and have no contract.

So why do it, if the saving is so small? Because if you ever lose or smash your phone, before 18 months, you make a claim instead of replacing your phone for $300-$600! So you can break even/save a little money, and get free insurance, too. That's how I look at it.
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
Also, I got the letter today, too. Here are the tiers:

Tier 1 - $50

HP Veer

HTC Aria

HTC Surround

LG Neon II

LG Quantam

Nokia 6350

Pantech Ease

Pantech Link

Pantech Pursuit

Blackberry Curve

Samsung A777

Samsung Eternity II

Samsung Flight II

Samsung Focus

Samsung Strive

All LaptopConnect devices

Tier 2 - $125

HTC Inspire

Samsung Captivate

Blackberry Bold 9000

Blackberry Bold 9700

Acer Aspire One

Tier 3 - $125 (through 10/3/11 - $199 (after 10/4/11)

Apple iPhone (all models)

Motorola Atrix

Blackberry Torch

Samsung Galaxy Tab

Samsung Infuse

The oldes device at $125 or above, besides, apparently, even 5-year old iPhones, is the Captivate (or a Blackberry Bold, I know nothing about them). So it takes barely over a year for a device to drop to $50, unless you're an Apple user.
[Atrix 4G General] gnahc79:
The deductible for AT&T's insurance is going up from $129 to $199. It has never been $50 for the Atrix. Not sure if you are posting about a different insurance program, i.e. Best Buy, squaretrade, etc.

I still have the AT&T insurance and will keep it. Raising the deductible to $199 makes it borderline to keep the insurance IMO. It all depends on how likely you are to damage or lose your phone. With two boys under 5 yrs old I'm keeping my phone insurance.Fortunately so far my phone is still in perfect condition. My wife's...not so much. Her BB 9000 has been barely hanging on and recently the mic was fuzzy, people could barely hear her. She's using my old BB 8900 for now.
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
The current deductible on the Atrix is going up to $199, but as I noted in my second post, right about yours, no phone over 12 months old has a $129 or $199 deductible. Past 12 months, at a $50 deductible, my best case scenario makes financial sense. Pre 12 months, as a larger deductible, most phones cost $300-$600 to replace at full or full refurb price, and the insurance still makes financial sense.

For insurance to work, under my reasoning, the phone needs to be replaced periodically due to wear and tear or other complaints just to break even, which is fine, because at break even, you're avoiding contract extensions and essentially getting free insurance as a bonus.
[Atrix 4G General] gnahc79:
I see. Good to know!
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
$199 deductible is way too high for a product that you can buy new for $400.
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
Put differently, $199 is a great price when you lose your phone, rather than paying $400 to replace it or $100 to buy a crappier phone instead. And again, only if you lose it in the first year. After that, $50 is an amazing price to replace a lost $400 phone.
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
If your car insurance policy had a deductible that was half the price of a new car, would that seem like a great price?
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
If your car was capable of falling in the toilet, or being totaled from a simple clumsy fall from your hands, your rates would be a lot higher, since the probability of total would be higher. Insurance companies make a certain percentage of profit on your policy, defined by the probability of repair or replacement, the cost of it, and the rates necessary to maintain target margins.

The high deductible and higher monthly fee on a phone results in almost the same profit margin as a car's lower deductible and lower monthly fee (as a percentage of the value of the car) due to the car insurance company typically only paying for repairs, with the rare total, and the phone insurance company paying for a total every single time.

Asurion allows up to two replacements per year. If you totaled your car twice a year, imagine your rates!
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
To me, it only makes sense to pay for insurance on big ticket items (e.g. health care, home, cars, etc.) that would present serious financial burdens if you were to have a major problem. In the case of car insurance, the premium you're paying is not just for the protection on your own car, but also for huge potential liability for injury and/or damage to other people's cars. The reason car insurance rates aren't much much higher is that the percentage of policy holders who make claims in any given year is quite low.

The worst case scenario for a mobile phone is that you're out a few hundred bucks, which isn't much more than what the new insurance rate + new deductible costs. As you point out, insurance companies all have a certain target profit margin. Presumably AT&T is raising its insurance rates and deductibles because the number of claims is growing. Apparently, many people think phone insurance should be something akin to a planned replacement program in which you're buying yourself a new phone on an installment plan.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
is layaway the word you're looking for? :D
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
Well said! Even closer, I look at insurance as a monthly fee to get a new phone. Instead of buying one every two years, I get a new one when my old one craps out, at roughly the same cost, but because I'm using insurance, if it craps out early, I'm protected, while anyone not on insurance would have to pay more, so I see nothing but upside.
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
How does that get you a new phone if your old one doesn't crap out?
[Atrix 4G General] twayneo:
A little thing about asurion

1. ASURION IS NOT AT&T AND I AS A REP CANNOT INTERPRET THEIR POLICES

2. 85% OF ALL REPLACEMENTS ARE REFURBS

3. THERE IS NO ACTUAL WAY TO GET A NEW PHONE OVER REFURB ITS LUCK OF THE DRAW. ***store reps no nothing****

4. YOU CAN THANK APPLE FOR THE SPIKE IN PRICE ITS NOT AT&T OR ASURIONS FAULT APPLE IS GREEDY COMPANY

5. FOR APPLE ITS LIKE $36 TO MAKE AN IPHONE 4... GREED
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
There's a wee button at the left of your keyboard called "Caps Lock". Press it before posting next time! :eek:
[Atrix 4G General] gnahc79:
The total cost to develop, produce, and support any smartphone is known with certainty only within each corporation. It is not $36 by any means. Apple may be greedy, but AT&T is far worse IMO.
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
iPhone 4 Carries Bill of Materials of $187.51, According to iSuppli. You can see the estimated cost by part broken down at the link. Sure, iSuppli doesn't know Apple's exact costs, but they do know how much the parts suppliers usually charge for each component in high volume. Maybe Apple gets things for 5-10% less, but there is no way the iPhone only costs Apple $36.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Add to that, employment, R&D and marketing. On another note, isnt it odd that you can get a 9-10 inch 'smartphone' minus the radio required for phone capability and they're cheaper than the actual high end smartphones. Amazing what demand can do to the price of high tech items.

I voided my warranty.
[Atrix 4G General] blognc:
If your phone doesn't crap out often enough to justify the insurance, and you're willing and able to sit with a smart phone that is three years old, then by all means don't bother with it. But if you are a heavy user, guaranteed you can make a claim every 18 months, and like I said, the loss/accident protection is just a bonus under 18.

My Rhodium is about 18 months old, and I could replace it right now with Asurion if I wanted to. There are enough dents, scratches, and diminished capabilities to justify it. The only reason I haven't is that I'm waiting for the right new phone to come out (it would have been replaced in February if the Atrix had met my expectations). If you consider "runs a discontinued, unsupported operating system" as a reason, you can justify a replacement fairly quickly. I don't, but my point is that every phone, six months in, has a reason to replace it, and it's up to you if that reason is big enough to replace it right now.

Additionally, if you aren't getting a smart phone, don't get insurance. It is indeed a sucker's bet, in that case.
[Atrix 4G General] GoodFoot:
If Asurion is replacing insured phones because of dents, scratches, or older OSs, no wonder they're raising their premiums and deductibles.

I can't imagine too many people here in the Atrix thread are not using a smartphone.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iRide113:
Not really sure where exactly this should go because I'm not sure if there is an app for it or whatever...

But is there a way to change the order of the icons in the notification bar? Like putting the USB icon all the way to the left when you have another icon there?

Things like that...

Any ideas?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silentmanbr:
I am looking for this exact thing...
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fractaline:
You will find this feature in mosaic 8. ( and other custom roms I believe)

don't think it would work as a stand alone app.

Phoned in.....
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] studacris:
Frac, that is a mod to change the quick panel icons and order, I think they are looking for a way to change the order of the pop up icons in the top left of the status bar. Like USB connected, missed call, voicemail, txt msg, etc.

I don't know a way of changing in what order those appear.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fractaline:
Right, mod... not just an app but several system apps that would be ROM specific... No?

Anyways I can see that I misunderstood the question. I'll go to sleep now.

Phoned in.....
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iRide113:
It's impossible because they are in a set order. Good ole Mikey told me. :cool:

Guess this thread can be closed if a mod wants to.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TRFFTR:
Hello. Is there a Sense 3 style launcher for Desire Z? I really like Sense 3 but I don't want to root my phone so I am looking for a launcher :)
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Critical Jeff:
You might want to try looking at Launcher Pro. It's has widgets similar to sense 3.0.

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.fede.launcher&feature=search_result

or go launcher

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.gau.go.launcherex&feature=search_result
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
OK so I was doing some research and it turns out that the new android market 3.0 isn't supporting the HTC inspire 4g yeah you can install the apk but can anybody tell me why the apk works but we can't officially get the update I'm just confused.......
[HTC Inspire 4G] hungmung:
Just out if curiosity where did you hear this everything I've read doesn't list phones it only says android 2.2 and higher phones.

Sent through the power of Cthulhu!
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
I'll try to get you the link of the web site I'm looking for it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
Are you using an HTC inspire and have you gotten the update or did you install the apk
[HTC Inspire 4G] fernandezhjr:
It automatically updates. My wife's Inspire is stock and it already updated on her phone, so it is supported.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
Strange I still don't have it on mine and I have read that the new market is not supporting inspire 4G that must have been old news and was fixed but I'm still waiting for the update (cant find the webpage) and my phone is stock too so I can only wonder why I haven't gotten it....???????
[HTC Inspire 4G] fernandezhjr:
The help section in the new market does state that once released, it will be pushed over a period of a couple of weeks, so if you haven't gotten it yet, you should be soon.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
Thanks go the info I was just really confused
[HTC Inspire 4G] wpnyc2009:
IS the Video app supported?

I use Netflix but want the option of the Google Video.

EDIT: I've enjoyed the new Market but in the screen shots I've seen it has the Video incorporated like Apps, Games & Books. The external Video is cool but isn't allowing rentals yet - at least for me. Anyone getting it to work?
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
Are you rooted? Google said this option wouldn't work in rooted handsets
[HTC Inspire 4G] shatteredfx:
I had, my phone rooted and I downloaded the new Android Market apk.. so I did not have to wait for the update but. I am glad I am rooted overall, great experience and battery last longer. I don't care much about the Google Videos tab as much now cause I have netflix and that does the justice for me.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
How did you get netflix, in not rooted can I get it?
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
Just got the new Android market unrooted butt........no video tab
[HTC Inspire 4G] biglittlegato:
You should be able to run NetFlix as long as you have a way to install non market apps. Sideload wonder or unknown sources enabled. Check the themes and apps sub forum. There are a couple of threads. You want version 1.3, I would post a link but I'm mobile atm.

Sent from my Inspire 4G using the power of the dark side.
[HTC Inspire 4G] :
I'm rooted and I was browsing the market, held down the back button to kill it and came back 5 minutes later to get another app and it updated itself.
[HTC Inspire 4G] stickbo:
Does anyone else find the new market laggier than the previous?

I installed the apk so maybe its that?
[HTC Inspire 4G] mcslamer:
Haven't had any problems on the pushed update one
[HTC Inspire 4G] biglittlegato:
It's freakin horrid. I can't get anything done with it. I revert to the old market every time it updates.

Sent from my Inspire 4G using the power of the dark side.
[HTC Inspire 4G] metaldood:
Personally I hate the new market... Older is much clearer and cleaner.

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[HTC Inspire 4G] str8killinya:
I agree with most, I just got the new 2.3.3 update and it dident update to the new market and I'm keeping it that way. It looks horrible and you have to do way to much to find what u want. To much swiping sideways. I had wp7 and it isent even that much side scrolling lol

Sent with Dr. Brown Technology & my HTC Inspire 4G
[HTC EVO 3D] mheller91:
I was trying to flash the PG86IMG in Hboot on my phone after I acquired s-off and it is not working for some reason... I can still get into Team win recovery and still have root and s-off, this pg86img just isn't flashing for some reason.

Is this any signifigance? I also noticed when I tried to flash a rom, it did not work and I had to do my Nandroid recovery.

Any way to fix this so I can install the radio?