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[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=3468&idPhone3=2964 lol

Xperia X10 + 4sevens flashlight = phone with 450 lumens light haha
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I've seen actual pics taken with both and have taken pics with both, I trust this more than I trust some tool that supposedly simulates optimum conditions
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
What did i miss?? Why are we lol'ing?

That photo tool is the biggest joke yet and would be frowned upon in photography. Mind showing me the EXIF info on those cartoonish looking samples? I just wanna make sure each phone was using the exact same settings and readings with each photo. If one was shot at say F/2.8 1/500s ISO200.....then the other photo HAS to be adjusted to read the exact same settings to properly compare.

*edit* so they said each photo was taken with the lowest ISO settings (when available). So, if your able to choose the iso on the desire hd and we cant on the x10....are they saying they used the lowest on the desire which might be ISO50...while the x10 might have fired its shot at ISO100/150
[XPERIA X10 General] a.monteiro:
took a bunch of pics in piss-poor lightning with the help of EV-/+ adjustments, not the most beautiful photography ever but they are decent imo. My shakey hands ruined a few of the shots and these two ended up better. I'm using infinity focus, no flash and ajusted the white balance to fluorescent light, EV slightly above zero, too much would be a lot harder to avoid blur.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
May i ask why you used fluorescent white balance? What was your light source?
[XPERIA X10 General] a.monteiro:
a fluorescent light bulb and a tv screen, they produce a weak cold light
[XPERIA X10 General] diimaan:
X10 fires at iso 50/64, if sports mode is selected :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Ok good....and you do know that raising the ev will raise your ISO and most likely give you a slower shutter speed right? Meaning more noise in your photo.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Yep...but if the lighting is already dim, your picture will be really underexposed.

I should add that it wont always fire at that low ISO.
[XPERIA X10 General] FelipeRRM:
why isn't Image stabilizer good? What does it do that makes the pics look bad?
[XPERIA X10 General] weechee:
Honestly if you know abit about general photography and don't mind changing the settings a little, the X10 has a pretty decent camera. The smile shutter works particularly well, and there are plenty of settings for those who want to perfect their photos.
[XPERIA X10 General] mana7000:
this tread awesomes thumbs up :D
[XPERIA X10 General] a.monteiro:
those pictures are a little grainy but there's a way to avoid it? lowering the EV i could barely see the cats.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I didnt say those pics specifically, but just saying what happens when you do raise it. How low did you go when you lowered it?
[XPERIA X10 General] Pawnty:
Wonderful guide, I've been completely oblivious to what most of the stock camera features do. All I know is that on a custom rom none of the pictures looked as good as they did with the stock 2.1 camera, REALLY glad SE ported that to 2.3 :D I immediately switched my focus to infinity and I'll keep the macro in mind for close ups :) I'll have to actually start using the white balance and playing with the EV+/- :D
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
It is also important you use a tripod to prevent hand shake.

I made a timelapse using Vignette and here's what a tripod could do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXuthcWeEXE
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Awesome!
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Glad u found it useful. Now just experiment with those settings a bit with different scenes and eventually it will just come natural how to use it.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Why are you spamming all the threads lately with this youtube crap? Remove this post from my thread as it has nothing to do with it.
[XPERIA X10 General] diimaan:
Yeah! That's true but unless there is no light or its night and indoors, the camera picks between these two iso most of the time!

I clicked a few pics while traveling on fading light - around sunset!

It picked mostly 50/64 for my shots!
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Ill keep it in mind. I really wish we could choose our own ISO tho. I asked 28spawn if he could gain access to that in a mod.
[XPERIA X10 General] diimaan:
Two/three years old models had that option! Even se's feature phones does have!

Wow if 28spawn can get it, it would be great!

I wonder brazzuka or raideraki can mod for android camera's
[XPERIA X10 General] Darwell.J:
I was having a few beers on Thursday night by a camp fire when I remembered this thread. Couldn't remember what mode I used (Single Focus or Macro), all other settings are default except for EV. Tried to shoot using different UV values and here are my results:

https://picasaweb.google.com/109898076881849325929/ShotwellConnect?authuser=0&feat=directlink

Also, here's a timelapse I did some time ago. Quality is crap, but I kinda like it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSpsWTPBky4

Thank you for the tips!
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
Usually the stabilizer built in phone cameras isn´t a real stabilizer. It is just software related and lowers the shutter speed that you don´t blurry the pics so easily. But finally it leads to worse pictures because less information enters the camera sensor and the camera chooses wrong ISo settings.

I hope i didn´t write crap with this explanation. I´m sure Mr Patchy Patch can give you more infos ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Pretty cool pics. You can see a few of them are out of focus...I suggested infinity focus and macro for anything thats actually closeup. It's obvious in the pictures when you adjusted the EV+/-. I looked at the EXIF info on a few of them and you were getting nice ISO settings, which is good.

Good job!
[XPERIA X10 General] SSyar:
nice tut... hope it turned out well too

can any 1 suggest a good video player... which can crop letterbox to make it 16:9
[XPERIA X10 General] SSyar:
Yes absolutely ... the modding of K Series and C Series camdrivers were amazing
[XPERIA X10 General] diimaan:
Try rockplayer donate! It's a paid app.

Free alternative is moboplayer! Not mobo video player.
[XPERIA X10 General] djvirus1:
@Mr Patchy Patch : thanks for bringing up this. I know this phone is capable of taking some good snap's. I played around with the settings a lot in the stock camera but with your post got to know more about the ev exposure settings. As i noticed whenever i take a photograph when the sun is behind me, the image does appear dark although there is sunlight. ev exposure should have made that difference. I use Vignette for a lot of close up photographs using macro with a lot of settings onto it. will post later few photos i took from them.
[XPERIA X10 General] unreal_rik:
Hi,

I've been reading through this thread and first of all i'd like to say thank for for creating this photography thread. The 8MP camera was the main reason i got this phone.

However, I disagree with you on the fact that infinity focus gives you better pictures. I've never had that with me. All the photos i've take with infinity focus have turned out to be out of focus, I have better luck with single auto focus. I'm attaching 2 photos here. You can clearly say that single auto focus is the winner here.
[XPERIA X10 General] veggalamvenu:
Thank u very much... your efforts are appreciated...:)
[XPERIA X10 General] Darwell.J:
Single Focus is better when the subject is not far from you (up to 1-2 meters I think). Try taking a photo of something that is farther from you using Single Focus and Infinity and post it here :)
[XPERIA X10 General] kapshere:
thank you so much for this post!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Eomantovani:
The problem is that we can´t set focus to Macro or infinite. In that case, would the focus do its job on closeup and distance shots? Will the overall quality be sacrified somehow? :confused:

Thank you for your very interesting and useful thread.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Its supposed to auto macro focus when using touch capture. It fails miserably. Touch focus itself fails bad on 2.3.3. Cant remember what it was like on 2.1. I barely touched it.

Distance shots use infinity

Closeup use macro
[XPERIA X10 General] Eomantovani:
Thank you for this nice explanation. I was considering using touch capture because I really don´t like taking shots by pressing the x10 hardware button. (That´s why I also loved the Froyo´s cam :)). One solution would be using timer, but it´s such a pain to wait 10 secs before every shot.

So I guess I will be using Camera 360 and Vignette :)
[XPERIA X10 General] kurbrat:
Yeah tank u. But do yuo know why on video mode cant start rec video with button?
[XPERIA X10 General] madara11:
thanks for the info.
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
Is there any camera tweaks for 2.3.3? it looks like quality was better on 2.1
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
I did some some hardware test on my xperia x10a and I got this for camera

Camera
Antibanding: auto
Color Effect: none
Exposure Compensation: 0
Exposure Compensation Step: 0.33333334
Flash Mode: off
Focus Mode: macro
Focal Length: 4.0
Horizontal View Angle: 52.0
Jpeg Quality: 100
Jpeg Thumbnail Quality: 100
Jpeg Thumbnail Size: 120x160
Max Exposure Compensation: 9
Max Zoom: 0
Min Exposure Compensation: -9
Picture Format: JPEG
Picture Size: 2448x3264
Preview Format: NV21
Preview Framerate: 15
Preview Size: 480x640
Supported Antibanding:
- off
- 50hz
- 60hz
- auto
Supported Color Effects:
- none
- mono
- negative
- sepia
- posterize
Supported Flash Modes:
- off
- torch
Supported Focus Modes:
- auto
- macro
- full
- infinity
Supported Jpeg Thumbnail Sizes:
- 120x160
- 0x0
Supported Picture Formats:
- JPEG
Supported Picture Sizes:
- 480x640
- 1224x1632
- 1080x1920
- 1836x3264
- 2448x3264
Supported Preview Formats:
- NV21
Supported Preview Frame Rates:
- 7
- 10
- 12
- 15
- 24
- 30
Supported Preview Sizes:
- 240x320
- 480x640
- 480x800
- 480x848
- 480x854
- 480x864
- 720x1280
Supported Scene Modes:
- auto
- portrait
- landscape
- night
- night-portrait
- beach_snow
- sports
- document
- party
Supported White Balance:
- auto
- incandescent
- fluorescent
- daylight
- cloudy-daylight
White Balance: auto
Vertical View Angle: 40.0
Zoom: 0
Zoom Ratios:
No camera available or error while accessing camera

So does it mean we have some hidden settings? (antibanding, color effects)
[XPERIA X10 General] gio.ducatti:
thanks for this info
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Maybe there just there to be enabled by 3rd party apps. Vignette offers both of those. I dont think SE would include them just to hide them.
[XPERIA X10 General] Gzrdon:
After reading this one, let me know how to get X10 camera was out of the most perfect state of

However, after updating 2.3.3 feeling camera access speed becomes faster

But the camera zoom, but changed for a long time, do not know anyone encountered the same problem!?
[XPERIA X10 General] hramos20:
Hi bro just wondering when you'll post those pics. I'm having alot of trouble with my hand shaking. Maybe with your help we can get an idea.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Holy crap, I totally forgot. My mother in law was out here for a visit for the last 6 weeks....she kept me busy lol. Ill post them tomorrow.
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
mother in law lol.... sucks haha

anyway do you know any phones that could have used same camera as x10?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
My mother in law is actually pretty awesome lol.

What do you mean by same camera?
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
like same camera hardware, or it's made by sony?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Pretty sure its all Sony.
[XPERIA X10 General] KoMMyHucT:
8( I wish we had a way to remove pictures compression...
[XPERIA X10 General] Carlo_WPG:
In Winnipeg, we have an Annual event called "Folklorama".... It's a celebration of many nations and their cultures that make up the people in our city.

As my wife is part Chinese, part Trinidadian, we checked out a few pavillions such as the Caribbean and IndoChinese.

Bellow is my Picasa web-album link demonstrating some of the pictures I took using the X10's stock app at the IndoChinese pavilion.

https://picasaweb.google.com/100859451211204166932/RecentlyUpdated?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCIDws5zT0OTBygE&feat=directlink

Here are a few other random shots I took using the X10 Stock app. I've been using the camera now for about a year now (Since the good ole Android 1.6 days)....

I think overall the stock app that comes with the X10 is quite impressive as well :) I used to be more of an avid photographer back in the days of 35mm (Alas I no longer have an SLR camera and can't afford one at the moment - although I was never good enough to do wedding photo's or anything - just for my own fun).
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
I had a SE K790i and in that there was a feature,not exactly a feature though

if i took a photo with flash on of a moving object,lets say a ceiling fan..the photo which the cam takes is of a perfectly still fan...which is awesome..i cant do that with my X10.

is there some setting by which i can take such pic??

this was not a feature in K790i it was in normal mode with flash on and anything moving!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
That has to do with shutter speed. If you have a fast shutter speed it will basically pause motion. If your shooting that fan under lower lighting the shutter speed will be slower so the sensor can draw in more light. The flash on the x10 sucks...therefore the shutter speed will remain slow. The K790 has a bright flash which enables a faster shutter speed under lower light.

You can get that pausing effect with the x10, but the lighting has to be sufficient.

Make sense?

Sent From My Rectangular Black Thing...
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
yeah I know k790i had a xenon flash and when 1 take a pic with flash it takes a still pic.

but X10 doesnt have a flash,its just a light. i tried with sports mode too but results are BAD.....

can you tell if u can get that effect..if yes with what settings?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I can get that effect....again with a sufficient amount of lighting. Your shutter speed has to be fast....which you cant control on the x10. Your only optin is to make sure you get alot of light in your sensor to get a faster shutter speed. I have gotten shutter speeds of around 1/2250's whuch is extremely fast. So the x10 can get fast shutter speeds, but the lighting has to be there. The flash on the x10 is nowhere even close to good enough. They should have given us a xenon flash.

Ps. The settings i use are in the first post of this thread. Theres really no formula....you just need a hell of a lot of light to enable a fast shutter speed.

Sent From My Rectangular Black Thing...
[XPERIA X10 General] fatedcircle9:
thanks for this advice!
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiax7:
Great thread... thank you!
[XPERIA X10 General] trevagreene:
Excellent, great guide.
[XPERIA X10 General] unroot:
thank you Mr Patchy Patch for these tips, I was using another app but I alwasys wanted to take pictures from stock camera...
[XPERIA X10 General] i_rock69:
I have a concert coming up that I want to take both video and still pictures.

Exactly which way would the ev go? To the positive because of the background light? Also use infinity and PArty?

Just trying to figure this all out.

Thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
My last concert was avenged sevenfold and the lighting was all over the place. I used my x10 for pictures and video....i found ev to be best at 0 and -1. I dont think i went to the + side more than once or twice. Try some pics at 0 and try some at -1.

-2 might start getting to dark....it did for me anyways.

And without a doubt use infinity focus!

Leave your camera in normal mode as well.
[XPERIA X10 General] pawikan:
thanks for this
[XPERIA X10 General] Sn-leboss:
Thanks the autor :)
[XPERIA X10 General] kramer1309:
@Mr. Patchy Patch

Would you mind posting a few snaps from the concert please?

Cheers
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Really nice post! Im looking for a similar post related to Xperia Arc S (or Arc)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Well what is it you are having problems with?
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Well I'm in doubt if what you've wrote in first post is also applicable in Xperia arc and arc s.

I really love to take photo using my cell phone and I really like to improve, your guide is clever and really useful.

You know the arc family of phone?

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
It should be applicable to the Arc S as well because the X10 and the Arc have the same camera interface. The only difference between the two is that the Arc S have Exmor sensor.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Pretty much what he said. The arc has a better sensor, so your pictures should be better right from that.

The only thing i could recommend right now is try using single auto focus...its probably better and faster than the X10....I dont really know. But I would think everything else I wrote is a go.
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Ok right now I tend to use touch focus because using it I can decide the focus subject. Btw I'll try single autofocus. What benefit it can bring to image?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
You can use single auto focus to focus on your subject and then while holding your focus you can recompose your shot.

I cant speak for the arc really, but on the x10 i had major issues using touch focus, especially on macro shots.
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Thanks. I think an "how to take pictures using your xperia phone" guide (maybe using some screenshot and example) can be useful for a lot of people. Think about it if you have some spare time.....

;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
Sooo...Since the OP is a photographer i would like to get his opinion on the photos i have made!

Which one do you prefer? Of course everyone can write down their comments.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2152/47832731.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9054/87517182.jpg

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8556/95800800.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2350/15689283.jpg
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Hmmm...ill look at those tomorrow. But you realize its not my opinion that counts...its yours.
[HTC EVO 3D] dstorm:
Mhl output not being recognized after s-off. Anyone else with similar issue? Worked fine prior too. Worked with Temp root also. Any idea's?
[HTC EVO 3D] pongoface:
Are you rooted stock or on a custom rom. If so which rom?
[HTC EVO 3D] derekfaircloth:
I'm not sure. I'm soff running mags rom and mine is working fine

Apple sucks ballz
[HTC EVO 3D] dstorm:
I nand back to stock rom, and working. I'm back stepping now to figure out what I did to flub it up in the first place. I had flashed a variety of new roms out. But had wiped each time. I don't think it was the roms, probably some of my own tweaking.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlechner:
Did you flash custom kernel? That probably did it if so.
[HTC EVO 3D] iTouch24:
i bought the mhl apaptor from tmobile that says universal and mentions the sensation but with my evo 3d it is not working ... the phone was stock .. not rooted and when i plugged into tv ... when scrolling through ports the hdmi port i was connected to did not see a signal

does anything have to be activated on the phone?
[HTC EVO 3D] tgruendler:
Pretty sure you have to give the MHL adaptor a power source for it to work. As in plug the usb into the wall. So you have the hdmi cable to the tv and the usb cable to your AC adaptor.
[HTC EVO 3D] CJPRICO:
Tmobile works.just finefor my.3d after.rooted just like its said.u have to.connect power also it.on the side , for it.to work
[HTC EVO 3D] shaun0207:
Do you have a link to that cable?
[HTC EVO 3D] 510jungleboy:
Mine works fine....even on the dock and off the dock...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
Hi,

my Flyer is S-OFF and rooted succesfully. But Titanium Backup is not able to get su-rights.

I see in the "Superuser" App that Titanium Backup is not listed there, but whenever I launch Titanium it is not asking for su-rights.

Any idea?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] amf:
Try re-downloading Busybox.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
This didnt help. Other apps that request "su" just work fine.

The problem is that TitaniumBackup just doesnt ask for "su" when I launch it, and it is not listed under su-apps in the "Superuser" application.

I had TitaniumBackup working when I had my Flyer term-rooted last week once, now as I have it S-OFF and perm-rooted TB just doesnt work anymore, as it is not asking SU permissions on launch anymore ?!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] amf:
You can try upgrading Superuser inside TB. Press the "Problem?" button inside TB..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
There is no such option anymore on the latest TB versions, as TB since then uses his own busybox. There is a option in "preferences" to disable this and use the Rom's busybox, but also checking that option did not help.

Is TB working on your Flyer?

The strange thing is that it worked fine when I had a temp root, and only now with perm root it is not asking for su-rights anymore...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] amf:
I have the paid Pro version 3.8.9.2 and it still has the "Problems?" button. It works fine with my S-Off and rooted Flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
Mine is 3.9.1 (also paid), downloaded from the market.

Under problems it only has "See Wiki / Preferences / Upgrade Superuser".
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] amf:
Same here. Have you tried "Upgrade Superuser"?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
Yes, that only shows up a link to the market, with "open" ...

I have the latest su installed. 2.3.6.3-efgh-signed.zip
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] amf:
That is also the su I have installed. No problem here with TB.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
bah, I really dont get it then. All other apps that request "su" work fine on my flyer.

Only TB doesnt, as it doesnt ask for "su" rights on launch.

Damn!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] amf:
Perhaps uninstall then re-install TB?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
that's been the first thing that I tried ;)

Also rebooted..

Nada worked.

I wrote to the TB developers now, hoping they can help.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] amf:
Really puzzling! Goodluck!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] i00:
do u have clockwork?

If so you may want to see if it works in a custom rom ... there are 3 out atm

Kris
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nopponm:
It's work fine for me.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redpoint73:
Stupid question, but you did run the Busybox Installer, and didn't just download it from the Market, right?

TB works fine for me, as well.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
With the help of the Titanium Backup support staff i got my problem solved:

There was a old "su" in the directory "/data/bin". After deleting that "su" there, I ran TB again, and see: it asked for root permissions, I gave them and now TB works fine on my Flyer too!

This is how my Flyer is set up now:

Superuser.apk - com.noshufou.android.su - version 2.3.6.3 is installed!

Standard su binary location:
lrwxrwxrwx root root 2011-08-02 06:35 su -> /system/bin/su

Alternate su binary location:
/sbin/su: Permission denied

Finally with the help of TB support got it fixed !
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iceman99393:
Ok coming from the evo to thunderbolt I'm not new to this I've rooted manual and auto root. But my question is the auto root that is available that is based on the manual root in the android development section will that root mr2 also? I know that mr2 can be rooted using the manual mr1 root as people have said it works. So wouldn't the auto root for mr1 prove to root mr2 the same?

Thanks for the help..