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[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
So what happens if you set up wifi tethering and start using it without a tethering plan?

Do they know automatically or do they attempt to guess based on increases in data usage?

This would be using the menu options available to you under Network settings in STOCK (not rooted).
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sonicjam:
there no tethering plan with t-mobile you can wifi tether all you want. But if they do see that you're hitting your cap quickly lets say in a 3 month period. they'll text you if you want to upgrade.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] pmcqueen:
when I was picking up my mt4gs, I overheard a rep trying to sell people an additional tethering plan. is that for unlimited tethering? I wanted to walk up to them and tell them I have been tethering since the G1 without any additional plan... the only real issue is getting throttled, but most months I don't hit the data cap.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
Well the rep that sold me my MT4GS said that they don't throttle automatically. He had one customer use 200+GB before he was throttled. Apparently it's hit or miss anyway and he basically talked me into a lower data rate because of it.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Brock6949:
If you attempt to tether or do wi-fi sharing on any T-mobile phone that is capable of it one of four things will happen.. Either

A) it will fail...

B) Any browsing attempt will re-direct you to T-mobile.com

C) You will automatically get directed to a page that prompts you to call Customer care to add the $14.99/month Tethering and Wi-Fi sharing feature

D) It will allow you to browse a certain amount and then give you the above page.

The feature has to be on the account for tethering to work long term.. Even if you get away with it for a short time, eventually they will catch you and shut you off until you add the feature. The $14.99/month allows you to share whatever data is on your phone (2GB, 5GB, 10GB) with the phone and Tethering... SO... If you have the 5GB data plan, you get 5GB to share between tethering and your regular phone data usage, then speeds get slowed down to approx 100kbps after that until the bill cycle resets.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] sonicjam:
Like i told you before there is no tethering plan for t-mobile. My gf tether her phone with her iPad all the time. Nothing had happen so far.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Brock6949:
Say that now, but I am guaranteeing you that T-mobile will catch up with her eventually.. There IS a tethering plan and you can call T-mobile and and verify that whenever you want.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] pmcqueen:
I've been tethering since 2008 without a plan.

perhaps it has something to do with new data plans? I've had a grandfathered data plan for years.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Akujin:
Same and I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan that comes with unlimited texts for only $35. Been tethering forever.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
I think he's just making it up. hahaha
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Brock6949:
A grandfathered plan may be the reason you are still able to tether, but I will tell you that I am a T-mobile employee who works in the phone as modem department and there IS a tethering plan that t-mobile does charge for... Infact, go to t-mobile's website and search for "Tethering" and then look at all of the official documents for tethering with different devices and they will all mention the tethering and wi-fi sharing feature.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
I tethered my Touch Pro 2 a few times after they introduced tethering and nothing ever became...
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Brock6949:
A few times may not have been enough for you to get the message... There is a preset threshold you have to meet or exceed to get the message about the tethering plan.. THey have not told any of us what that threshold is (for obvious reasons)

and even if you don't get the message right away, at some point our system will flag the account... Trust me, I field these calls 5 days a week.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
So how can they tell that it's tethering data vs. data from the phone? Especially since I can set my browser to desktop mode. Well, I'm too lazy to do it but if tethering ever goes to court, service providers will lose.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Brock6949:
There is no way to tell between tethering and phone data... it's all lumped together... even when you add the tethering feature (if the system makes you) you get your data shared with your cell data usage so on a non grandfathered rate plan you get 2gb,5gb, or 10gb to share between tethering and phone data usage.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
So tethering won't get caught...
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Akujin:
HTTP traffic is TCP which means it's encoded in ASCII which makes it really easy to scan what goes over the line. In those HTTP headers they can check what the user-agent is as well as the time-to-live setting on each packet which will be different from a windows desktop connection.

However it's possible to mask this. I could in theory make an SSH connection from the phone to an SSH server I have on the internet and tunnel all my tethering through that. It would be very difficult to prove tethering at that point because it would be masked behind the phone's connection to a server.

That all being said. In real world usage I might only tether once or twice a month in what basically amounts to not much more bandwidth usage then normal.

Also. The telecom providers are very backhanded about tethering. We made tethering possible before they knew what the **** tethering even meant. I've been doing this since before most people understood what it means to tether. And I signed up for my unlimited plan back when unlimited meant unlimited. So uh..... T-mo can go **** itself if they expect me to pay extra. lol.

-my 2 cents :rolleyes:
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
YES!

Tethered on my MDA before I even used the word!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] rorytmeadows:
Theoretically based on some of the statements here of how PC band with flows, I should be able to tether my Acer A500 tablet without any problems or discovery.
[EVO 4G General] jasonb1108:
Why couldn't your dump a perfect rooted nand from one evo and force flash it over a unrooted nand on another evo. Why would this not work. The answer it would brick the phone would not satisfy my hunger for an answer. Lets discuss.
[EVO 4G General] cr5315:
My knowledge of root would make me think the unrooted phone would need a custom recovery to do that. I've never heard of force flashing a nandroid.
[EVO 4G General] cheyne1:
How would you force flash?
[EVO 4G General] LCL22:
afaik, the only way to manually flash anything is to physically remove the chip and do it outside the phone, cant flash anything thru the phone itself since the Hboot will just stop any attempt cold on its feet, hboot is like your pc's bio, it comes up the second it powers up, so short of physically removing the chip to flash it outside the phone but thats not something the average user can do/has the tools to do
[EVO 4G General] jasonb1108:
There would be no way to push the files passed hboot or write over hboot
[EVO 4G General] Muellersirch:
Hboot has a security setting that will check for a signature from HTC. Unless that security is gone (hole has been found to hard root device), there is no way around that security check to flash anything. Any change to something signed by HTC will invalidate the signature.
[EVO 4G General] liable16:
Does anyone know the details on whats covered. On sprints international plan
[EVO 4G General] trsix:
$

We looked at their prices last year, wife is from Peru.

MUCH cheaper with a phone card!
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
I posted this in another thread, but figured I'd start a fresh one just for people's impressions and comments on the new Gingerbread leak.

As with most updates, the only thing noticable up front are just some cosmetic changes. Probably cause it's running Sense 2.1. I gather the majority of changes are "Under the Hood".

A few observations so far.

The weather widget now has sounds. You can toggle them off if you don't like them.

The netflix 1.3 app still works fine in 2.3 as it did in 2.2.

The Unknown Sources checkbox is included.

For people like me who hate the Fast Boot option and wish to turn it off. They moved it from Applications to Power under settings.

When you lower the status bar window, there is a tab on the bottom now for "Quick Settings", which will let you toggle BT, WiFi, GPS, WiFi HotSpot and Mobile Network.

But the biggest issue I still see wasn't addressed, is that under About Phone and Network, it still displays HSDPA under Mobile Network Type instead of HSPA like it should when you are in a 4G area. The Atrix with the GB update properly displays that. I don't know why the Inspire doesn't. So it's difficult to tell if you are really connecting to HSPA or not. Sure the backhaul might be there, but if your phone is still connecting as HSDPA you are not getting full advantage of the "4G" network.

Also so far the speaker quality is just as bad as it was under 2.2. Either HTC has people with hearing problems in their engineering department, or they just use crappy speakers in their phones, which is what I think. Bad components.

Well that's just a few things so far. I'm still checking it out. Hopefully this is the final version being pushed out this month. Props to the person who leaked it. :)

BTW I hate the new Market. I prefer the older one better. The new one is too crowded. The older one was simpler and to the point.

So lets chime in with things you've noticed different, bug fixed, or new bugs.
[HTC Inspire 4G] SuicideMyk:
I havn't tried it out yet I'm Kinda new to all this and learning pretty quick...the one thing I love about Android so far is the flexibility :cool:
[HTC Inspire 4G] tweaked:
I used it for about 3 hours.

1. Sense sucks. Still

2. It eats battery like a mofo. Still

3. Who uses the speaker? Its a dumb complaint. 1/4" garbage speaker = FTL

5. I like the new market. It doesn't matter to me how it looks really. But I don't spend moments really thinking about it. /Shrug

6. Yes I skipped four.

7. Why does the weather widget have sounds? I can roll down/Open the window if I want to hear the weather..... ..

8. I didn't notice the touchscreen issue when using it. Then again I haven't noticed it since I reflashed MIUI either.

10. AT&T doesn't really have 4g man. So who cares what the device says its running on so long as I can look stuff up when I need to.

9. It wasn't Aosp so I ran away as fast as i could :(

11. Yes nine and ten are swapped.
[HTC Inspire 4G] SuicideMyk:
I'll have to give MIUI a shot it's the only one I havnt tried so far
[HTC Inspire 4G] henrybravo:
Not sure I follow what you're saying. HSDPA and HSPA are essentially the same thing. The extra "D" is merely referring to the downlink component of HSPA. And we already know that HSUPA (uplink) is working because AT&T enabled it in the OTA update that came out at the end of April. Since we know HSDPA and HSUPA are both working, then full HSPA is working. Since the phone is reporting HSDPA, this is merely semantics; HSDPA = HSPA. You can't have one without the other.

Edit: regarding the speaker, the majority of the problem is software related. The stock ROM has a poor equalization curve applied to the speaker, or none at all. In CyanogenMod 7, for example, you can use DSPManager to boost the midrange frequencies and reduce the high frequencies to just the speaker. This makes it sound much better, similar to iPhone 4 quality, although not as loud
[HTC Inspire 4G] XAviierG:
You won't switch after
[HTC Inspire 4G] harlenm:
I hated miui, kept it for 20 minutes. Looks too much like an iPhone for me.
[HTC Inspire 4G] shatteredfx:
I personally, like it but I have a rooted htc Inspire so I have no problems thus far..
[HTC Inspire 4G] tweaked:
This looks like an Iphone to you?:confused:
[HTC Inspire 4G] kettir:
Already installed - will reinstalling delete data?

I've already installed a version of this that was stock with the bloatware, but rooted. If I flash this over what I've already installed, will it remove my data and settings?

As far as how I like it, I'm OK with it so far. I looked for the fast boot option in the Privacy settings and it isn't there. It's not under the Applications area either. So now my boot time is about 2.3 minutes, which is a looong wait.
[HTC Inspire 4G] fernandezhjr:
Fast boot is in the Power settings.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
@ Tweaked

Who uses the speaker? Umm...like everyone. I am not one of those people who wears a bluetooth headset all the time to make it look like I'm important.

The tinny / high treblely sound to the speaker is very annoying. Also the speaker volume is about HALF of what my iPhone is. If I am outside and wearing the phone on my belt I can't hear when I get an alert or text...etc...I need to also have it on Vibrate to even hear it. Now inside I can hear it. I can hear a text alert on my iPhone from the other end of my house.

@ henrybravo

Yes HSDPA and HSPA are not the same. When having a network update meeting, I saw a paper which had the evolution of the network from 2G all the way to LTE. HSPA was the next step after HSDPA. Granted it's a minor issue, but just because the backhaul is there at the tower, if you are not using the latest protocol in the connection, then you will not get as much as you should get as far as bandwidth. Yes it is pretty much moot I guess between the two, but I would still like to see the connection being reported acurately.

As far as the speaker, yes I've seen some speaker mods for rooted phones and custom Roms, but what I can't figure out is why HTC doesn't just tweaked it themselves. It obviously can be done with software. It's like they don't care or listen to people. I remember when the Inspire first came out. The speaker volume and quality was a big complaint all over the web, even on HTC's own forums. Of course they didn't listen and fix it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] wolverine423:
"HSPA is the terminology used when both HSDPA (3GPP Release 5) and HSUPA (3GPP Release 6) technologies are deployed on a network. HSPA Evolved (HSPA+ in 3GPP Release 7 and beyond) is also part of the HSPA technology and extends an operator’s investment in the network before the next step to 3GPP Long Term Evolution (LTE, or 3GPP Release 8 and beyond)."

- http://www.4gamericas.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=page&sectionid=247

Even if they changed it to read HSPA in the network settings, it is still HSDPA for downlink and HSUPA for uplink.

I agree with you about the speaker though. It is my only real complaint about the phone.
[HTC Inspire 4G] kettir:
Thank you Fernandezhjr!
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
Ya that was my bad. I knew it was in Power, don't know why I said Privacy. I have corrected it in my original post.
[HTC Inspire 4G] chocodough:
Yes I understand all that. I guess what I was curious about, is why it always says HSDPA even when you are not in a so-called 4G area?

Back when I got the phone, before the general public did, and also before AT&T starting rolling out 4G, it still said HSDPA. The only time it didn't was if I was in the boonies and was on Edge.

So whether you are in a 3G or 4G area it will say HSDPA regardless. So making it say HSPA when actually in a 4G area is more accurate.
[HTC Inspire 4G] wolverine423:
It probably has something to do with ATT's "4G" just being upgraded 3G. Same technology with increased backhaul to give faster speeds.
[HTC Inspire 4G] tweaked:
Ahh I see. I don't wear one of those snobie, BT, one ear, headsets either. But I am also not "outside" all day, nor do I wear one of those grandmother fanny pack holsters on my belt...... It sits on the desk in my office all day which prolly makes a difference in hearing it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] 00ChevyScott:
My HSUPA is gone with the new update. My upload is being capped around 300 again. WTF

Used the leaked RUU posted in this section.

EDIT: hmm weird now it seems to be uploading fine.
[HTC Inspire 4G] henrybravo:
+1. The iPhone4 is marketed as a "3G" phone but it apparently runs on HSPA because I've gotten download speeds of 6-7 MB/s out of it. AT&T uses the term "4G" quite loosely.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] kbzona:
hello i want to know if someone with stock froyo rom, or a v10e rom could upload

"Cello" alarm sound?

plzz and thnxz in advance ;)
[Verizon Droid Charge] vegasjones:
Yesterday I took the leap of faith and rooted my Charge. Suprisingly simple. I used imnuts's PBJT voodoo lagfix kernel and the EE4 Debloated 4.2.1 ROM. The instructions I followed on the forum mentioned that if I want to go back to stock for any reason that I will have to "convert back" in reference to the kernel. While everything is running fine now there may be a time i want to go back to stock using one of the "how to" posts on here.

So that i dont screw anything up, what exactly is meant by going back from the Voodoo lagfix kernel? Would i need to flash the non- voodoo lagfix kernel or would I need to use the stock kernel.

Or, if I follow the steps in the development forum for Full Factory Restore will i be all set?

Any info will be much appreciated.
[Verizon Droid Charge] kvswim:
This should be in General. It means that you have to disable voodoo lagfix before switching to a non-voodoo rom. Currently, the only way to do this is through Voodoo Control because CWM somehow doesn't want to control it.

Sent from my Droid Charge running GummyFroyo 1.9.1
[Verizon Droid Charge] vegasjones:
Good deal, thanks. I did actually try to search first, just wasnt quite sure which search terms to use. I appreciate the help.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] jschecter:
Anyone have any hints on how to take apart the seidio innocase surface case? I need to get to my battery, but the case is impossible to take off. I've tried to replicate the tutorial videos on youtube (push the seidio logo on back while pinching sides of top half). Still won't come off... :mad:
[Thunderbolt Accessories] fastasterix:
Try squeezing the top half near the split. When you see the middle section of the top half at the split raised, simply pull the bottom part out.

There is a bump on the bottom half that acts as a lock. Squeezing on both side of the top half at the split will disengaged it.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] jschecter:
haha..."simply pull" my hands are permanently red now from all the squeezing. it worked, though. thanks
[Thunderbolt Accessories] sparhawk36:
The easiest way i've found is to put the phone face down on a hard flat surface. Then push down on the seidio logo and squeeze the sides of the top half of the case. After you take the case off a couple of times it becomes easier. the hard surface is an important part of the removal process ;).
[Motorola Droid X2] DEFNUB:
delete!!!!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
So this ROM never got a whole lot of attention on the EVO 4G but it was one of my favorites. Its a Sense ROM with many of the CM7 tweaks and settings. Is anyone else interested in seeing this ported to the 3D? Is anyone interested in porting this to the 3D?

View attachment 675283

This is a port of the SkyRaider Sense 4.0 to the Evo 4G from the HTC Incredible.

Credit goes to ihtfp69 for all the hard work he put in to the original ROM

Original Source can be found here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=764787

This is still a work in progress.

THIS IS NOT SENSE 4.0, IT'S A HYBRID OF SENSE 1.0, 2.0 AND CM7

From here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1072710
[HTC EVO 3D] Rippley05:
Would lose evo3d features. Anything we have that the Inc. Doesn't would be lost. Pointless Imo.

I sure hope someone makes a rom as complex and detailed as this for the 3D tho... Right now we have 20 stock style roms
[HTC EVO 3D] Joey_UFC:
lets try to get AOSP first. were just about there
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Ok, how about instead of a port is there anyone interested in building something like this for the 3d

tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] Rippley05:
I agree with making something like this for us. I disagree with aosp, still gonna lose a lot and I actually like sense 3.0.

If I wanted AOSP I'd have a Nexus S
[HTC EVO 3D] Vinchenzop:
Why not ask me...after all, I brought it to the EVO 4G...
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
I didn't know you got. The evo 3d :D you can actually make onebase one the evo 3d, that would be great, btw developer of the skyruder have left xda and when we bamf team :( really good developer on Inc btw

If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d :P
[HTC EVO 3D] Vinchenzop:
Ya, I've been fairly active in the community so far, so thanks for making me feel noticed and special...my turn...

Nice typos and spelling mistakes, you are a true amateur at typing.

I'm just playing :)

I'll look into it a bit, but slightly loaded with side projects (Android and life)...been working with viper on viperROM a bit, but will see what I can do.
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Now that you mention it, my next step was going to be to pm you about it.

tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] reverepats:
Wow too funny.....I was just gonna mention to ya that maybe u could ask Clark, cause I think he started that thread and then V jump in and brought it life......SkyRaider was pretty cool.....u guys put alotta work into that too.....
[HTC EVO 3D] Vinchenzop:
Clark requested the port, I did it...he was my tester
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
I'll be your tester on this one if you take it on. Or, Perhaps I can give it a go with the help of devs like yourself; I have no idea where to begin.

tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] clark44:
Absurd is gonna have something called evervolv toolbox coming in the next two weeks which should have all these features ported the the stock rom with many more enhancements and additions. Be ready guys this is gonna be huge...
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neo9973:
First post, so take it with a grain of noobness.

I would like to get my feet wet in the rooted phone arena by using Voodoo, but I don't see that it has been updated for the Cappy running stock/ ATT Froyo. I see some stuff on the I9000, though, but I'm not sure if that will work, and the information seems somewhat dated.

So a few questions: is there another lagfix I can try that doesn't involve flashing a ROM?

Can I use Voodoo lagfix on my 2.2 Froyo phone?

Should I just nut up and do some more homework and flash to one of the latest ROM's?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcord11758:
You should definitely read more. There are dated kernels for 2.2 that will have lag fixes implemented that you could use, although I would suggest roms.

but reading its best
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jack man:
Well, If you like Froyo, forget about stock froyo and flash a custom ROM. Cognition is good. Plus the froyo custom ROMS are easier than most to flash. If you are a noob, this is where you should start. just make sure you READ TONS about flashing before you flash the first time. Good luck!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] capocaccia:
I run the latest froyo version of Cognition and absolutely love it. Ive run into small issues with just about every other rom ive ever flashed but with cognition I dont even run into the casual force close. Its just smooth as butter. I would highly suggest flashing an entire rom as typically the kernel is made to work directly alongside that particular rom.

Read up first though or your going to end up with a pretty little paper weight.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdahgary:
Lagfix on stock is stupid.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aww.W.T.F?:
Reading and comprehension are the best but consider, when you've picked out a rom youtube it and see if an instructional video has been made on how to flash and watch it, twice if need be. I only recommend these because , being a noob( I speak from being one ) you don't know the time frame between steps, and if it sets on one for a few minutes well..it can be a little un-nerving ,anyway ,custom is the only way to go,.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NiTRoN69:
well it would be different if he asked for 2.3.3 lagfix.. :)