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[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I'm often impressed by Samsung. While I'm not fond of the plastic materials they use now and preferred the build style of the captivate, they are the only ones going above and beyond to write outstanding software for android to speed it up and clean it up. I just wish that their UI skin wasn't so iphone-esque. That said, I don't have much respect on the WP7 front for them, while aside from Nokia they're releasing the hottest devices now, 2 times now they've delayed the process with their poorly built drivers.

Apple is an excellent software company and more so a god of marketing. They seem to be sacrificing quality in their hardware right now to catch up to android and that has left an Achilles heel with the battery life and other issues in the 4s. If apple is going to get cut down to size, you pretty much have this year.

Overall, I prefer iOS to android as I'm big on UX but I'm not blind to what's going on.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
Apple has always kept a model/style for two years, I'm not sure why people are so shocked about the iPhone 4S it's just how they operate. Probably the biggest reason is they don't want to sacrifice battery life and user experience at the cost of spec whores.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
but due to some applications conflicting with the new processor the battery life has been cut down drastically.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
I'd still expect a fix pretty soon.
[Off-topic] schizo:
Aye, aye, ya pirate. Read this first:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=18533768&postcount=280
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
Do you even use or handle any of the phones you talk about? You act like you have tried all of them and know everything. Its really annoying. My girlfriend has the 4s and uses it for work all day and by the time I see her around 5 pm (12 hours of use) it is on something like 70 percent. So please tell me where z33 the information know it all gets his plethora of information. I seriously think you and Marty are the biggest trolls to ever walk the face of the internet. So annoying to read anything you two post. Its like vague beat around the bush reply after vague beat around the bush reply. If I was a mod here I would ban both of you without hesitation. You are the type of people who cannot be convinced of anybody's opinion except your own. I hope neither of you are lawyers or ever become one because lawyers are required to actually come up with facts to support their arguments and not just "subjective opinions"
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Yeah, yeah. I don't know how many times an Apple hater has brought up that saying of S.J. They seem to hang onto it like it's the only thing there is. But I hate to break it to you, S.J. only said that. Samsung actually does it. Samsung doesn't say it, they do it. Samsung copies patented technology, Apple doesn't.

Here's some rationality for you: When was the last time you ever heard a crook say, "I'm a crook"? Just because someone says something, does not make them what they say. If that were the case, your girlfriends would be murderers. I'm sure many of them have told you guys, "I'm going to kill you".
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
If you actually bothered to click on the links in that post, you'd see how much of iOS5 is copied from elsewhere. So no, that quote is not the "only" thing there is. It's just an awesome example of what a hypocrite Apple is. And what hypocrites everyone who defends them are.

Apple operated for years without a license for 3G technologies. So you're wrong even on that part. And that's about real, tangible, hardware patents. On the other hand, Apple patents stuff that isn't even their "invention", like slide-to-unlock. So bringing software patents into the argument is pretty much the weakest thing you can do. But it's the only thing you have left, so you defend a patent system that has been shown to be flawed again and again.
[Off-topic] otenet70:
samsung

samsung rules
[Off-topic] icreepin:
I think HP sould get in the mix since the palm life drive can be argued as being the 1st iphone and 1st android product. All pf the same technology and ideas really came from that phone when you compare all pf the features and possible uses.
[Off-topic] wassupjg:
Samsung only provides the hardware, Apple do both
[Off-topic] undercover:
I bet they stole that from Android too. Watch out for a new patent "process conflicting with CPU and draining battery extra fast".
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
What? The battery drain in the 4S is a known issue that apple has publicly addressed...
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
So TouchWiz and some apps that you'll only find on Samsung phones, those things are conjured by magic? :D
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
It's pretty clear what he meant. That said they do have their own OS that does quite well in their country but is largely unheard of elsewhere.
[Off-topic] undercover:
No, that is stolen from Apple, remenber. Same way they stole an idea of rounded corners, I mean who on earth would think that corners should be rounded?! Only Apple designers are that clever.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I disagree with the similarities in hardware on most galaxy S variants but the vibrant was a bit too close.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Bada is a POS, full stop. There are 2.5 major smartphone OS now, ios,android, and wp7 a little bit.

If Samsung were as good as HTC with their android overlay, they definitely would have been biggest player on android market,plus, they wouldn't be accused stealing. Why not create something as eye candy as Sense and make it as fluid as touchwiz 4? Mystery.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Agree. I just don't understand why they are so stubborn and keep their design so similar to iPhone. I just don't get it.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
aside from the clock I really see nothing aesthetically pleasing about sense. It fit on winmo but on Android I'm just not a fan. I kind of like the uniformity in size and shape of icons and stuff like that. I'm a minimalist when it comes to theming my phones though.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Sense and nice feeling bodies is main HTC selling point. Sense being the main one. It's got great "patches" where original android failed, like improvements to contact management. I'm not saying to rip it off, I'm just using Sense as an example that something different but still great can be created. It doesn't have to be ios rip off to sell.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
funny thing is that the iPhone has more or less dropped that design scheme.

It would be nice to see a dynamic minimalist launcher on android. Currently, android looks a bit too busy in my opinion even though on my home screen all I have is 4 basic apps stashing everything else in the app drawer. HTC sense is likely the best UX of android devices but it's still not aesthetically my style.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Clock's one of the first things to go on my Sense phones :)

It takes up too much space, and there's a secondary one at the top right corner.

Danielle likes it on hers though.

It's the polished nature of HTC's interface and apps that appeals to me, their mail app for instance is perfect for my needs, the services provided by www.htcsense.com as well, the music player/widget, the weather app/widget, the lock screen, the lack of lag ;) , the customisation - basically you can have it minimalist like mine, or as full as you like.

Oh and the keyboard, I've yet to find a touchscreen phone with as nice a keyboard (you know I'm not a fan of the basic android/WP7 one, or the iOS one which I find quite slow).
[Off-topic] upichie:
Yep, completely. They totally did. The iPhone 4 to iPhone 4S hardware changes were astonishing. They dropped the iPhone 4 hardware design for sure. Absolutely. Yup. You're definitely right here. Couldn't agree more.

Seriously? Haha. :p
[Off-topic] Vibrant03:
The only part of the UI that samsung allegedly copied is the app drawer.. That's it!

Touchwiz interface is android and we all know that android does not look like ios at all..

The aesthetic design does indeed kinda look similar to the iphone, but the galaxy s devices do not look exactly like the iphone.. From the square home button to round button on iphone? Are they the same? The Galaxy s' have capacitive buttons while the iphone does not.. Maybe samsung got ideas from the iphone design but did not imitate it completely and it would be stupid if they did.. The galaxy s' have a bump on the bottom portion of the phone, iphone does not, galaxy s is bigger too. But if you really think about it, an Android phone's four capacitive design is prevalent in almost all android devices, they all very much look similar but they don't sue each other over design similarities.. Lol..

Apple only do the software not hardware.. The components, the screen, camera, etc. are from other companies not apple manufactured..
[Off-topic] xaccers:
I believe Zee was refering to the iphone3/Samsung vibrant, which if you were to compare outer edges from the front they are similar, although the faces, sides and backs are comepletely different.
[Off-topic] syphonkusanagi:
My boyfriend and my mom both have iPhones. I have an android. I prefer android. My phone is large enough that if I do get a tablet, I'm probably going to get an iPad, just 'cause then I have a choice on what I want to use. But for a phone, android all the way.
[Off-topic] Shreddeddownload:
Any tablet you can buy, including the 30 dollar tab is better than ipad. :-P
[Off-topic] benjaminwt:
While I agree with you in principle, I am not sure that I would prefer to be using a $30 tab over an ipad. But I would prefer a $400-$500 one over any ipad. period.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Sooooo, You're calling Steve a liar? Thats not very nice so soon after his demise.

Btw crooks confess all the time, its called an admission and pleading guilty. Look it up. Your argument is flawed.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Pretty much, I disagree with any hardware similarities aside from those devices.

how very wrong. Sadly, honeycomb was a joke of an OS. Hopefully with the unification in iOS there will be an android tab worth owning.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Ah, my mistake (he seriously lacks conversational flow). But I have to admit, I'm not seeing the similarities. The similarly coloured bezel, the black face (or whatever you meant by saying to "compare the outer edges from the front")—these really aren't enough to sway me to believe Samsung copied their hardware, considering there's probably 873 other touch-screen smartphones out there that could classify as having one or both of those things. Do they look similar? Of course. But nearly every other touch-screen smartphone has an equal amount of things in common to one or the other.

The speaker's are in the same position (right where your ear would be). The camera's are in the same position (just like half of the other smartphones out there). They both have a bezel (oh, hell no!). The volum buttons are in the same spot (what the heck, Samsung?). They both have rounded corners (are you serious? oh, come on, man!). They both have the same buttons (no they d—I mean: really, Samsung? ****ing thieves!).

It's not against the law to take design cues from the competition. It is against the law to steal their design. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that, in all honesty... fanboys have blown this waaay out of proportion.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
I totally agree with what you say, likewise with the ipad/tab, different shapes, the tab looks like an earlier samsung lcd photo frame, and form follows function, they are rectangular for the same reasons laptops are rectangular.

Android's interface isn't a copy of IOS, even the app drawer is different.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I actually agree that it's not similar enough to warrant a lawsuit but alas, I'm not on that board.
[Off-topic] upichie:
And for the prevention of total societal collapse, we thank you for that. ;)
[Off-topic] bojarevics:
samsung is the way to go :)
[Off-topic] mcarta:
I have a friend who just bought HP touch pad. Any word on android running smooth and if so anyone have a link to add duel OS? Thanks!
[Off-topic] schizo:
I dont hate Apple and SJ literally, only their "arrogant and hypocrite" attitude which unfortunately very very infectious , especially to their fanbois, such as: YOU. Act like God, always think and act like Prima Causa, the most intelligent creatures ever walked on earth just because you are member of iCult, or should i say, iReligion who every member worship idols prefixed with the letter "i"?

HE said, HE did, HE admitted. You, denial, denial, because in you iMind there's no way your perfect iGod will ever do such atrocities which he always condemned HIMself.

He is hypocrite, you are iSheep.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Are you done? You feel better now? Good.

Now, I am not biased. I don't worship Apple or any company, person or thing. I am, however, fair. When someone or some company does something they should not do, depending on how blatant it is, I may speak up. Generally they have to be doing something illegal before I care enough to point at it. Apple hasn't done anything illegal that I know of. Google has. And just because someone hates Apple, that is not an excuse for defaming them. Manufacturing wrongs is not an excuse either.

Apple haters call anyone who owns Apple products or doesn't say anything hateful about them when they mention Apple are more a true cult than anything else I've seen in this forum. A person can say 99 praises of Google and 1 praise of Apple and that person would be labeled an Apple fanboy and a worshiper of Apple. The only time a person would not be considered an Apple fanboy or worshiper is if they say 100% bad things about Apple.

Sad for you, I am not an Apple fanboy or worshiper and say as much praise of Apple as I want. I do what I want. People like you don't effect what I do at all. I will continue to be unbiased and say praising things of Apple if it is warranted. Guess what? I also will say praising things of Google, if it is warranted. This goes for any other thing or company, as well.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Oh you are such a lier!

On numerous occasions you have been shown how Apple have stolen or illegally used technology developed by others so denying it makes you a lier.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Oh Marty, you troll you. :p
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Yes, because you have put on ignore the people who would inform you of such things.

Ignorance is bliss, right?

Oh, and you not being biased and an Apple fanboy? I don't think you're convincing anyone with that claim.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Haha! Cracked me up. :D
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Frankly that is your limitation. You have only inspected or observed the law aspect of this situation, which I am judging from your posts. And as a Christian, you should know there is a higher standard than law, and that is personal ethics. Not those general ethics that youngsters, or in fact, most of the world populace, regurgitate from society or family. No, the ethics you make through experience and as a solution to your everyday life. The ethics which are "evolved" from the normalcy of society. This is the highest point of ethics and morality.

Now please stop focusing on the "law" and more on whether it is just, because as far as I see it, the American law is as broken as any other third world country to me.

So now that we have moved passed this, frankly I can agree that both companies do in fact "steal" from others. However, I fail to see any "stealing more than the other". But this stealing is more than just a blatant copy. No, these companies actually build on it, and improve it. Frankly though, are any of these ideas deserving of a company hoarding it for themselves?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Would you care to investigate a person's history before making accusations against them? That's an even worse ethical concern that what you claim of me. There is way too much judging in these forums than there should be. Here, have a look at my history. By the way, don't make the accusation I went back in time after reading what you just wrote and made this post just to refute you.
[Off-topic] upichie:
So you completely agree with him, but you still feel the need to come off as a harsh, inconsiderate prick.

Did they change the defintion of "reaffirmed"? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
It seems my point has not come across correctly. As I stated, I have judged you from what you post, hence I do acknowledge my posts bear little factual resemblance to your actual self or may be incorrect.

However the point still stands that you have posted with law as support, which is, as I said, should be irrelevant in this sort of context due to the fact the law is broken. Ever heard the saying "the law is for the lawless"?

P.S. I do agree with your statement of Google stealing. They shouldn't have stolen. But the matter is if this idea is so brilliant enough that it warrants the owner of hoarding it?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Ohhh...I see! You stand above the law. I see now. How silly of me to attempt a constructive conversation with someone who disregards any law they don't agree with.

Lets all make our own laws, shall we?
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
So you've never been/heard of a country with protests of the inhumane laws in place? (P.S. your country's got it too) The laws are to be placed for our well being, but what is the point if it contradicts its purpose? The law is not God. Nor should it act as such. Also there is a difference between ignoring the law and seeing past the law. Figure it out, as you seem to be thinking I am of the former.

Mind you however I find that insulting. May I ask the reason as to why you deem someone who disregards the law as unable to perform a constructive conversation? Has it ever occurred to you that the "law abiding" is the fifth, fourth, and if I remember correctly from sociology, third level of morality and ethics? Has it ever occurred to you that the law is similar to a definition in the fact that is constricts our minds and leaves us like a box? Has it ever occurred to you to move past the contents of the box explore the outer world? Meaning pass the law and finding your own code. I hope so as this is how humanity should operate, with a mind of themselves, not regurgitation of information, which is the sad truth.

P.S. You still haven't figured out the saying the "law is for the lawless?"
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Don't waste your keyboard on him. Doing a little research as he suggested showed that he wound everyone up where he worked with passive agressive rubbish, then when one of them snapped at him he tried to get them sacked because they wouldn't appologise but it backfired and he lost his job.

His recounting of the events are also lased with mild paranoia where if someone doesn't answer him or be friendly on his terms then they're against him and working for satan.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Lawl that is funny. But I'd rather not hold someone in such a view as of yet.
[Off-topic] upichie:
You are talking waaay over his head. I completely agree with this, in literally every possible way, but I'm doubting Marty will understand or appreciate any of it. Kudos to you, though. :)

Haha! I vaguely remember him telling this story, but I didn't read much of it. That's absolutely hilarious, haha. :p

The more posts you read of his, the more apparent it becomes. Just you wait. ;)
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Unless the law is changed, it is to be obeyed. I hate a bunch of laws here in the USA, but I abide by them, regardless. It's either that or we all live in anarchy. You are espousing anarchy which I won't agree with.

If you don't agree with a law, work to change it. Don't break it. You are a lawbreaker if you disobey the law.

My view is Google is breaking law. It doesn't matter how well loved Google is whether a law is valid or not. And it should never matter. Apple may well be corrupt in that they take things from others without permission. But lets all fix it if we don't like it. Lets not deliberately disobey what we don't like.

By the way, you and anyone else can talk till you are blue in the face, it won't make any difference to me. I know what's right and wrong. I do what is right to the best of my ability and I don't give consideration to anyone who doesn't. If that annoys you, that just gives me power over you.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
See what I mean?
[Off-topic] upichie:
Sounds like a surefire way to never have any law changed. :p

We are fixing it, remember? By blindly obeying all laws and never, ever speaking out against them. Oh wait no, that's what you're doing. What're we doing again? Oh, right! We're showing our distaste for the current law by supporting Google. But somehow that's wrong in your eyes, yet lawfully disagreeing with a law to promote change is correct to you. Since you disagree with what we're doing, yet what you advise us to do is the exact same thing as what we're doing, this once again makes you the literal definition of a hypocrite. :p

EDIT: I don't even remember what law Google broke anymore, haha.

Power over us? You're living in one backwards world, my friend. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
And of course the way to change the law is through voicing of opinion, which we are doing but of which you are simply rejecting.

Anyways we are of opposing codes, so this conversation is at best nill and we have no middle ground except we both agree that Google and othercompanies do in fact "steal" so have a nice day.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
You can't change anything through voicing of opinion. You have to be active with petitions and lobbying and such.

You are the one trying to change me. You are pushing your beliefs on me. You want me to stop seeing Google in a "law" view. But I choose to see them the way I do because that's what I believe. And this is only in regard to Android. If Google stops infringing the property of others and innovates with a different way of doing whatever it is they infringe, or if they successfully achieve licensing rights, then I will put behind me their lawbreaking.

As far as Apple is concerned. I don't much care about their products any longer. They aren't the top choice anymore. If they are breaking a moral law, that is subjective. There is always different ways of looking at things. Not so with the law. I don't raise concerns over anyone who sees Apple as breaking moral laws. For those people, Apple is breaking a moral law. That's fine. Anyone can love or hate whatever they want. I also have that right.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
Marty I think I speak for all of us when I say I wish you would stop posting on these forums.

whyumadtho
[Off-topic] undercover:
Marty, one question, so you say that ANY law has to be obeyed because its THE law? Correct?