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[Off-topic] iant54:
From the latest reports it appears that Apple are trying to shut down Samsung in Europe full stop.

mobile.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/mobile-phone/3297908/apple-seeks-ban-on-all-galaxy-smartphones-tablets-in-eu/?cmpid=HTML-DN180811&olo=daily%20news

If Samsung were to send out Apple's suggested wording, it sounds as though they would be admitting that they had copied everything from Apple!
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Shows just how scared Apple are that Samsung are producing ipad/iphone killers, and how much Apple relies on it's IOS device income.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Here's another article on the subject. Looks like Samsung pissed Apple off big time.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...s_ban_on_all_Galaxy_smartphones_tablets_in_EU
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Apple is even crazier than I thought! I didn't know that's even possible! Exclamation point!
[Off-topic] irish-sid:
I was faithful to apple until today. The Gs2 was just too hot to miss.
[Off-topic] lowpapasmurf:
Samsung Intercept

I am not allowed to post in the Dev forums until i gain some posts.
[Off-topic] ladygagaLITE:
ipad2 plus galaxy s are enough for me.. lol
[Off-topic] majorpay:
Mistake my arse
[Off-topic] prince9399:
iphone fan since iphone 2G
[Off-topic] hurricurry:
Apple is scured.

I really wanted the tab but i am gonna wait for kal-el device and the prime

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Off-topic] 08r3308:
Lol apple fan boys at work now claim how android copied everything from apple , and companys like samsung and htc are all big copy cats lol. Funny when you mention notificatios on ios5 they shut up
[Off-topic] kuj0n:
i this samsung is better than apple :)
[Off-topic] RMXO:
http://www.slashgear.com/apple-caught-resizing-samsung-kit-again-in-patent-suit-19172992/

Now they're being accused of fixing the pictures against the Galaxy S series.

I can understand a company protecting it's IP but when you start to manipulate things to get your way, it's just wrong.
[Off-topic] Maxomix0:
i need posts too :D

i like both .. Galaxy s2 + iPod ;)
[Off-topic] onesss:
Android

Because we have freedom of choice !
[Off-topic] renehd2:
And dont forget ice cream sandwich and its intentions of make all diferents android types in one and make it easier to developers

Enviado desde mi htc inspire 4G unefon México
[Off-topic] imnotapimp:
Well the engadget article I read a few days ago, said by 2015 android has a projected 50% market share.

Even if it gets close, google would have done something amazing.

Keep up with the great work google! People will follow innovation like ICF and lightingscience, not stupid IP patent suits with flawed evidence.
[Off-topic] ph00ny:
I can't wait for the business relationship between apple and samsung to die down completely. People also underestimate samsung's ability to supply apple with parts. I'm not entirely sure if apple can be as successful as they are now without samsung. Look at them placing more ipad screen orders from samsung due to quality issues they were experiencing with LG while filing for injunction on galaxy tab 10.1

If you haven't seen the patents comparison pics, it's hilarious. People just do not realize that apple doesn't build anything. They purchase parts from oem bins from likes of samsung, LG, sharp, etc
[Off-topic] Jaredsburrows:
Samsung(android)

If you a Dev, make sure you get the Android Samsung, Android is way more customizable.
[Off-topic] bedo1987:
you are right!

you are right mate....

by the way,

Android all my life....

more free, many devs...

iphone 4 without jailbreak does not give you back performance/freedom for about 700€ you pay....

My opinion...
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Good grief! This is about the funniest and lamest attempt at defense Samsung could ever try. What the hell is wrong with Samsung? Surely they would realize trying something like this would make them look childish and pathetic.

http://phandroid.com/2011/08/23/sam...osoft-moves-to-ban-motorola-imports-lawsuits/
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
It's not lame at all. This is about "community designs". Keyword "design". Apple can't claim a design as their own, if it existed in so many cases previously to the iPad. Mind you, this is not the only item Samsung presented. At the beginning of this trial, they showed over 20 items as depicting prior art to the iPad.

If anyone here is lame, it's Apple. They did not come up with the design, plain and simple. They have the first widely successful device sporting this design, but they did not create it. For example, have you seen pictures of the Crunchpad tablet (later renamed JooJoo)? Announced months before Apple even started talking about a tablet. Now guess how the Crunchpad looks like.
[Off-topic] pmcqueen:
interesting tactic for sure. I don't really think it's childish... pathetic, maybe, but no more so than Apple fudging photos (whether on purpose or not) of the GT.

stuff like this should be enough to convince the judges that the only people profiting from these silly mobile IP trials are the law firms.

imo, all of these cases should be thrown out of court. put some executives from each of the companies in a jello pool and have them wrestle it out... it would be no more pointless than what they're doing now.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Did you bother to read the last paragraph of comment, where it said what Samsung was referring to was a monitor and not a tablet. And that it was untouched and so forth. Again, Samsung is lame to use this.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I agree. I wish they would all get along and let the customers profit from their hard work rather than trying to scate by without working. This crap put Sammy in the position of using such a pathetic attempt.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Yes I bothered, thank you for the condescension. Did you watch the video? They're sitting at a table and eating. Next to their food plates are, prepare yourself for this, tablets! They don't touch them in this particular clip, but they're clearly mobile devices. And even if they're not interactive (which they probably are, if not for anything else than an on/off button), they're without doubt iPad-like devices. One can use an iPad in the exact same way. And again, this is just one additional item among many that Samsung has shown.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
No condescension meant.

Samsung is clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel for a defense. To use a movie...made in the '60s, no less...of technology that didn't exist is lame. Why don't they go back to the '40s and use ideas from the parade of the future or stuff idealized by Walt Disney. Just because the movies shows an idea doesn't mean Apple can't claim it after they put in all the work to bring it to reality.
[Off-topic] vetvito:
^ lawyers do it all the time. Especially with copyrights and patents. If you can prove something existed before someone else claimed inventing it, it throws ownership out the window.

Its like the "Happy Birthday " song. It was proven in court to exist on tape, years before someone got a copyright.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
That's the problem, the tablet didn't exist in that movie. It was a movie set prop. It was only an idea at that time and in that movie. Apple actually made it a reality. It wasn't a reality before that.
[Off-topic] schizo:
I think Eldar Murtazin from Mobile-Review has some interesting in-depth knowledge and analysis in this matter. Saying that this war is not about current but for future sales. You may want to check here:

http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/birulki-116-en.shtml#1

What says you, guys...? ;-)
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
I can only repeat again: *This isn't the only item Samsung presented*. They have presented over 20. They're not scraping the bottom of the barrel, they're showing how much prior art there is. From the recent past, to all the way back to the '60s.

Also, this is about designs. Does not matter that the devices don't actually exist. The Knight Ridder (a concept of a digital newspaper reader from 1994) was never produced either. But what these show is that the designs did exist. So Apple can't claim them for themselves.
[Off-topic] nsack:
samsung ftw
[Off-topic] jamesgary:
me like Android
[Off-topic] vetvito:
Doesn't matter. You remember Marty Mcflys, auto lacing shoes, and auto fitting jacket. From the movie "Back to the Future". Guess how that legal battle is going.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
???

What are you talking about?
[Off-topic] misterright321:
i love my android and i will never i say never take an apple. even when there are for free. :D
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1232867
[Off-topic] vetvito:
Someone patented those items and then tried to sue someone else over it. Lawyers just presented the movie, case over.
[Off-topic] shahkam:
Many more reason why google should sue the **** out of them !
[Off-topic] tgaskill:
I lost a lot of respect for Apple during this whole petty patent BS, especially when I learned that images had been doctored to make Samsung's tablet appear closer to the screen ratio of the iPad.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I can't see how that applies to the tablet. There was never a patent on the tablet. Samsung can't bring up an mate or idea from an old movie which isn't patented and make it a legitimate defense.
[Off-topic] monkeytown:
well OP, what answers do you expect to get here? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
One thing I can say is that if anyone has a legitimate reason to litigate, its IBM. They could sue not only Samsung but also Apple because they've had an actual tablet in use in long haul trucking companies for long before the iPad showed up. It wasn't capacitive touch or full color, but it was a portable touchscreen tablet.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
It's about *design*. Are you purposefully trying to not get it?

But also, Samsung can and did! The design stuff was thrown out by the judge. Citing, among others, the Knight Ridder as prior art. You know, the device that was never manufactured.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Not at all, I'm being objective rather than trying to find any and every way to defend Samsung and demonize Apple. That's what I do. I'm not a fanboy or loyalist to any comany. I see things clearly. If Apple deserves praise, I praise. If they deserve condemnation, I condemned. And I do this with all companies.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Well, you can't be objective if you don't know what the case is about.

And I don't know how continuing with the same stuff after being *repeatedly* told what it's about can count as "seeing clearly". It actually looks like the opposite - willful ignorance so that you don't have to concede a point. And fanboyish, exactly what you claim you're not.
[Off-topic] tgaskill:
What does David Hasselhoff's car have to do with patent law? Oh, I thought you said Knight Rider. Carry on. :p
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
LOL

But if I'm nitpicky, you screwed up. You see, David Hasselhoff (well, his character Michael Knight) *is* the Knight Rider. Cos, you know, he's the rider. Ok, you drive a car, not ride it, but it sounds cooler :). The car is KITT - Knight Industries Two Thousand.

Also, community designs are not patents. They're, well, community designs. They're somewhere between a patent and a trademark. And the whole concept is total BS. Read all about them here: http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/The_Community_Design_and_you_Thought_the_USPTO_Was_Bad
[Off-topic] inktri:
IMO apple makes the best hardware, but I prefer Android OS over iOS
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I agree. I love the Apple hardware but find iOS boring. Nevertheless, it is superior quality compared to Android.
[Off-topic] Clemopp:
In which aspect is the Apple hardware better than Androids hardware?

It is a serious question.
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
Especially since Samsung provides the hardware to Apple lol
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
In the aspect that I have an iPhone and Android hardware and can see and feel the difference in quality. I also have various issues with my Androids...vanilla and others...that my iPhone doesn't have. My iPhone has been the most reliable phone I've ever owned and the battery life is second to none. That is pure fact.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Samsung doesn't provide the hardware. Sammy provides...currently...the CPU. There is a lot more hardware involved than what Sammy provides.
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
http://www.iphonebuzz.com/apple-iph...ring-smartphone-study-from-harvard-119942.php
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Okay...so memory and CPU. Hmmm...I could have sworn there was more hardware involved with the iPhone than just the memory components and the CPU.
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
Hmmm...did I say they provide ALL the hardware to Apple? No.

Take your attitude and shove it up your ass.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
You did say that. But I said they didn't. Take you attitude out also.
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
I did? No. I said Samsung provides hardware to Apple.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Nice try though.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
This is what you said, "Especially since Samsung provides [the hardware] to Apple".

That isn't true. Samsung only provides the memory and CPU.
[Off-topic] EmperorGonzo:
Same product isnt it?
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
So attempts at trolling/trying to start something aside...

http://mashable.com/2011/08/24/samsung-galaxy-phones-netherlands-ban/

Samsung says they will be able to correct the patent complaints in time to it won't affect sales in Europe.
[Off-topic] Clemopp:
Please be more specific.
[Off-topic] pmcqueen:
I think all in all this is a victory for Samsung and even moreso the entire Android platform.

it hardly slows Samsung down and discourages Apple from attacking other corporations with similar claims.

I think Apple would be wise to cool it in the courts. I don't think people will be blind to their ulterior motives forever and I personally know several long time, loyal Apple customers who have stated their disgust with the way Apple has gone about its business through these proceedings. I know there are more out there who are in the same boat. it was pretty apparent to me since day one, based on the timing and nature of the accusations, that Apple's only true interest here was stifling competition for the betterment of Apple, and Apple only, with little to no regard for the consumer or the betterment of the industry.

of course Apple is 100% entitled to defending their intellectual property, but it can't get much clearer that here, in this current string of litigation, the goal is to eliminate competition. the IP litigation is their trojan horse - this is a defensive move on the surface, but clearly offensive when you start to debunk what's going on. as far as I'm concerned, that's more illegal than any of the alleged patent infringement bull**** they've posed in the courts.

I wish more people were aware of the potential ramifications of litigation like this. for me, it has nothing to do with company loyalty or fanboyism. if Samsung being turned to dust by Apple's attacks would have no effect on the market (and therefore the consumer), I wouldn't give a damn either. but I believe firmly that a free market economy with as many competitors producing similar products is the most beneficial to the average consumer. if Apple was trying to collect royalties or a payoff, that's one thing... to call for the BAN of a device altogether is ludicrous and anti-competitive. whether you like Apple, Google, Microsoft or whoever else: you should all be capable of understanding that all of the major players need to stay in the game for the sake of consumer protection.

sadly, a lot of the people I know (granted, I am a part of the who gives a **** generation) don't even know about this, and of those who do know, most don't care... or they turn it into an Android v Apple pissing match. everyone these days RELIES upon cellphones. it's not just a flashy toy any more, they have become integrated into peoples' lives in such a way that we will pay whatever price the carriers and manufacturers try to peg us with. that scares me, especially with the AT&TMo merger in the mix and all of this anti-competitive litigation being thrown around.

imagine, for illustrative purposes, if Apple successfully banned the import of Samsung & HTC devices in America and forced Android to either completely reinvent their operating system, AND T-mo disappears. this is the kindling of a fire that would burn an enormous hole in everyones' pockets.

tl;dr DROP THE LAWSUIT CRAP, Apple, and start focusing on producing devices that will let you stay competitive in this evolving mobile market.
[Off-topic] joker2428:
+1 for matty :)
[Off-topic] sourtimer:
samsung ftw !
[Off-topic] Babbar Sher:
wasnt samsung tab the best sold on amazon
[Off-topic] Visionikz03:
Maybe with Jobs stepping down that will happen. Lol but very doubtful
[Off-topic] amy822:
Actually I love Apple a little more, but I just got a Samsung 5830. Before I made the decision, I thought, if I bought iPhone, then I would have to buy some accessories like a best iphone case which would also be costy. So...

Anyway, I love my 5830 now and really think android is great!
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
This is a quote of Steve Jobs about design. It was presented in an article at Gizmodo (link below).

This is exactly the difference between Apple products and competing ones from other makers, including Samsung. The others do exactly what SJ is saying you should not do. They make a product that looks beautiful on the outside...the visible side...and then make the unseen parts low-quality and half-assed.

"When you're a carpenter making a beautiful chest of drawers, you're not going to use a piece of plywood on the back, even though it faces the wall and nobody will ever see it. You'll know it's there, so you're going to use a beautiful piece of wood on the back. For you to sleep well at night, the aesthetic, the quality, has to be carried all the way through.

—Playboy, 1987"

http://gizmodo.com/5834330/the-best-steve-jobs-quotes
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Seem to recall iphones having battery problems, internal storage issues, screen problems, and who can forget the finger of death signal design flaw. Perhaps Job's shouldn't be so anti-porn and have his staff read Playboy ;)
[Off-topic] gicifix:
Samsung Rulez!!!1
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
One of Apple's biggest reasons for being in the position they are iis their ability to put a spin on things.

Everything you just mentioned is absolutely true.

I know people that are on their fourth or fifth iPod due to overheating issues. (Just an example)

Look at "antenna gate"

They were easily able to hush that up by saying "it rarely happens but we will give you a free case"
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
The antenna problem was B.S. There never was an antenna issue in reality. It's been proven time and again that all cellphones have the same kind of issue when being held. And I can verify it with all of my phones...including my new Infuse.

The Apple haters picked up on an antenna issue through the redesign of the iPhone antenna system just to have some way to spread Apple hate.
[Off-topic] mattykinsx:
That is complete crap.

Here ill hold my Evo just like that right now.....

(30 seconds later not moving and with the cm7 signal displayed as text)

...No signal loss or change.

I've personally watched friend's iPhone 4 drop signal when holding it.

This is how good Apple is at manipulation.

This is that spin I'm talking about
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I differs from person to person. My iPhone 4 tends to have the strongest signal while I hold it than any of my other phones have.But they all display a loss of signal while holding them.

I have a friend who's wife cannot hold a cellphone because it completely loses all signal. I actually witnessed this when he called me over to show me what happens when he hands his phone to his wife. While he was holding it, it had all 5 bars. He calls his wife over to him and gives her the phone. While she took hold of it, the signal dropped to absolute nothing...no bars at all. He moved from where he was standing so she could stand in the exact same spot and still no bars. She gives the phone back to him and immediately it goes back up to 5 bars. Actual truth...I witnessed it.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
When a colleague got a white iphone 4 with it lying on the desk I just touched the gap between the two antenna so I wasn't even holding it, and the signal dropped from 4 to 2 bars, remove finger tip from phone and they returned, it was an on/off feature.

No other phone I've used has lost signal by just touching it, or even just holding it.
[Off-topic] tears12345678909:
I just heard that apples CEO just resigned yesterday! That's bad news for apple cus he brought applpe to where it is now without him I'm pretty sure apple is going down
[Off-topic] pmcqueen:
:rolleyes:

if you really think Apple will slow down because SJ is gone, you're delusional. he's still a member of the board, and his successor isn't stupid... if what is working is working, and it obviously is, nothing will change.

they'll be doing the same thing they've always done and their products will continue to be the benchmark in their respective niches. I don't see that changing for a loooong time, regardless of who is wearing the CEO badge.
[Off-topic] tears12345678909:
U will see maybe not soon but the day will come where apple won't have anymore ideas or anything to do and slowly its going to start to go down
[Off-topic] mariusdroid:
Why the f u want apple to go down? u never owned an iPhone then the only limits are by apple like for android is Google no rooting no fun no jailbreak no fun! "I'm preatty sure that will go down "u study marketing now? Go back to helping people make android better because they need it! Android its super cool but its way off it needs improvement lots of it!

Lg 2x 2.2
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
And because you just warned Apple about that, they will take measures and precautions to avoid that fate. :D
[Off-topic] pmcqueen:
you act like SJ is the sole proprietor of Apple and the only source of creativity or innovation in the company... do you realize how enormous of a corporation Apple is, and how many incredibly talented minds it employs?

what the hell is with this anti-Apple crap? it's all half-witted, bull****-laden slander fabricated by a bunch of fat, greasy basement dwellers who have, for whatever reason, decided that because the hip kids bought iThings that Apple is the devil. GET OVER IT.

it only takes a highschool level understanding of economics to realize that you don't want ANY of the major players to "go down."

I don't like apple either, I think the way they do business is borderline barbaric, but I don't for one second think that we would be better off without them... because, plain and simple, we wouldn't be.

end.
[Off-topic] Clemopp:
Lets hope they do, android needs some competition in whatever way possible to keep them on their toes.

But the way apple is behaving now, doesn't really help us. Id rather have them competing in features, innovations etc.

I just wonder what Microsoft is up to now.

The problem now though are the carriers charging you for 3g internet which is very limited. The prices they are charging us are just ridiculous.

Just lets not forget that they are still companies. Whether it'll be apple or google, they are still after our money.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Excellent comments and absolutely true.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
About 1.6% market share ;)
[Off-topic] hooded_man:
Aplle change CEO in the middle of war, samsung +1 ;)