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[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Look at it this way, there are consequences for breaking laws. For speeding, there is a fine and insurance hit. Not to mention endangering of others on the road and possible crash.

For spitting on the sidewalk (expectorating), wherever that is still illegal, there is also a civil issue.

For jaywalking, there are civil issues.

For cigarette smoking in a place that is not allowed, there is the concern of harming the health of those around you. Secondhand smoke is shown to be much more dangerous than firsthand.

Whatever laws there are that aren't obeyed, the system will have to point them out and make an issue.

For patent infringement, it hinders innovation. Innovation isn't easy. Most companies would rather license the stuff they need but don't own. If licensing isn't allowed, there are two alternatives: make you own non-infringing version or do without it. But the patent system promotes innovation, unlike what others would have us all believe. It causes someone to find another way of doing something. However, one thing I understand about the patent system is it is allowing ideas to be patented without working models. I can't agree with that. I can't do anything about it except, if it's a big enough issue for me, I can hire lawyers and put out petitions and lobby the government to amend it.

Let Google invent their own things that they are infringing from Apple.

To answer your question, all laws are to be obeyed. And if they aren't, there are consequences. Nevertheless, each of us know what is right and wrong. To infringe a patent is not something we can't live without. Each of us can easily keep from infringing. However, if walking down a street and the urgent need to clear one's throat occurs, I will spit on the sidewalk if no other alternative is present. I would not be able to help it.

Laws are designed to aid societies, not hinder them. If we all just disobeyed any law we wanted, it would a very unpleasant society. Everyone wants the cops to arrest anyone who robs them. But nobody wants to be arrested for robbing. A criminal will be very offended and upset if someone steals what they just stole from a victim.
[Off-topic] schizo:
I dont quite understand the last part but there... you finally admit it.

That 's all i want to hear from you.

Improving, stealing, PIRACY... LAWFUL or UNLAWFUL... WHOEVER did it... is still a CRIME.

The difference is only on level of 'trickiness'. Apple is 'tricky' that when they took something from others, they improvised, they directly patent the improvised idea. Forcefully closing the doors for the others to do the same way towards Apple. Too 'clever', dont ya think? In classroom, this kind of bloke will get beaten every week by his classmates. Believe me.

Google and most other companies who especially run under open source principle just dont do the same thing. They took, they improvised but then they give back to the societies for all to enjoy the fruits.

Take and give, then you will be loved. Shall i explain more why people prefer GOOG then AAPL?

Hi Marty, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge you!
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I'm kind of lost about what it is you are saying. Are you saying you prefer Google because they actually steal, rather than Apple, because they are greedy? You prefer a criminal over a non-criminal?
[Off-topic] schizo:
You are definitely lost. I'm saying both are thieves, lawful or unlawful is only matter of context and location since laws may differ by country.

Both are criminals. One is Robin Hood, the other is Jimmy Burke.

Both are criminals. One doesnt even bother to lift his finger, the other keeps on pointing to everybody else with annoying holier-than-thou attitude.

Both are criminals. One sucks, the other even sucker.

Anyway, this forum is all about TAKE ('thievery' in your term) and GIVE. Improvising ideas, take it to higher level and then re-share to everybody else. People who don't agree on that principle, doesn't belong here. See ya.
[Off-topic] hiu115:
this debate sounds a bit like trolling each other.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Marty, just yes or no would do.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Right you are, sir. :p
[Off-topic] hiu115:
i hope this doesn't lead to swearing or threatening...
[Off-topic] upichie:
On xda? Not a chance! We are all respectful members here. We provide nothing but the finest of posts. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] hiu115:
at one chance there are members who sweared and give threats. That's why the rules are made
[Off-topic] peejhaymakots:
true :)...
[Off-topic] schizo:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/11/motorola-mobility-apparently-won.html

Who's pirating whom... you say?
[Off-topic] agent205:
you're an apple ! - annoying orange
[Off-topic] schizo:
Maybe I'm a bit carried of. Pardon me for that, guys.

Truth is, reality distortion field is really hard to crack.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
The one difference is the iPads and iPhones have made it into the government or organizational spheres. Apple products are just too involved in the market in all areas to ever go away. They have much more reliability than the Android counterparts right now. A government considering such a device would likely go with the known good device rather than take a chance on the Android offerings. And iPads and iPhones are becoming more and more integrated into every sphere of society.

This isn't to say Android won't some day become just as integrated. But right now, the system that is less fragmented will have the advantage. Businesses are preferring iPhones to any other system. And libraries are contracting for iPads. Stuff such as that will keep Apple in the forefront of the market regardless of how plentiful Android devices become.
[Off-topic] Koekjesja:
Meh i like android :x
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Strange as here you've said you've not tried it

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16288567&postcount=76
[Off-topic] rollmops6:
Yeah android is the best

Sent from my X10i and sorry for my English I hope you understand me *:D
[Off-topic] betovanbuuren:
I think Samsung is more powerfull all over the world but apple won on some areas as well.
[Off-topic] jpog:
"Businesses are preferring iPhones to any other system"

I wouldn't say this is true at all...iphones...I have worked for 3 very large corporations...one of them the largest in number of people employed and all our phones..are Blackberry...all are computers and tablets..HP
[Off-topic] EarlZ:
Apple has already reached its capacity to innovate and compete thats why they are playing the patents game.
[Off-topic] pmcqueen:
I don't buy that at all.

there are hundreds of ways to interpret apple's actions regarding litigation and patents, but I don't for one second think it has anything to do with a staling R&D department. a business cannot survive solely by suing its competitors...

you know they will continue to release new devices, and you know those devices will continue to be benchmarks in the technological niche they inhabit.

I can't stand iOS, I can't stand a lot of the business moves apple makes, and I can't stand apple lemmings who blather endlessly about their iStuffs, usually with little to no knowledge of competitive devices that perform all of the same functions apple devices perform, but you have to give them respect when it's due... they play the game very well.
[Off-topic] Frustratez:
android for me always
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Part of it will be simple business tactics to waste the competition's money, but also to stifle their sales when you have a new product coming out, because if your product is easier to get hold of than your competitor's (because you've managed to temporarily restrict their sale) then your sales figures will be increased as people will have less choice so more chance of picking your product.
[Off-topic] HitcH90:
only android. apple is not good. ;]
[Off-topic] Kiboe:
the public school system here has used macs for the last 13 years.

they order labtops by the BULK, problem is, public school, Ghetto, labtops, i have seen in the back with gum on them, grafitti, the webcam pecked out.

i dunno, i am GLAD to be gone from the public school system, yet they blow money away sending off for replacements because the kids can't appreciate nice things. (they had to metal wire tie down the monitors in the computer lab, ya know, the type of thing you see at best buy so people don't walk off with the display models.

why it irks me?, said money is tax dollars being wasted to replace laptops. i just lol at when i was there (graduated in 2010, thank god) kids would change the background to a poor resolution image off google of an 81 regal with 30" rims. anyway, sorry for de-railing maybe it bugs me that school systems treat 1500 dollar laptops like candy and just keep buying them for selfish kids to ruin while at school.
[Off-topic] Monty Burns:
Yeah I thought it was Xerox too, with some sort of Unix or something...
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Microsoft, Apple and IBM all stole the GUI from Xerox. Microsoft stole DOS from IBM.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
No no no.

Xerox PARC developed what we would recognise as a gui (there were earlier text based versions that used a mouse), and didn't really know what to do with it.

Jobs visited and saw it in action and helped produce the apple version with the Lisa project.

Xerox actually licenced parts of their GUI to Apple, so while intially they stole the idea, they did pay for some of it.

After Lisa MS developed Windows 1.0 and licenced certain aspects of the Lisa GUI from Apple, ie they didn't steal it.

With Windows 2.0 they went further using other features of the Lisa/Xerox GUI such as overlapping windows.

Apple sued them (they also sued HP for it's use of certain features) and lost.

The courts ruled that those features were fundamental to a GUI (paraphrasing) and so unless they were identical (in the case of the look of the recycle bin HP used, and got slapped for) then Apple didn't have a case, especially as Apple had copied many of the features from Xerox in the first place.

I've got a copy of Windows 1.0 at home somewhere on 5.25" floppy

As for IBM, they paid MS for an OS, and MS bought 86-DOS, rebranded it MS-DOS and licenced it to IBM as PC-DOS (which was further developed by IBM), again no theft there.

With the PS/2 and success of Windows, IBM wanted a new OS (OS/2).

Suprisingly the Microsoft developers code was too efficient for the IBM developers to be happy with (not enough paragraphs of comments explaining everything), and IBM's way of working didn't go well with MS developers.

MS and IBM split, with IBM going on to complete OS/2 Warp, and MS developing NT. So while it could be argued that MS were using what they were learning from the OS/2 project as paid for by IBM, they didn't steal OS/2 and turn it into NT, they got to a fork in the road and went down the MS path while IBM went it's own way.
[Off-topic] Tone_:
Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about, which one it it?

DOS is not point and click.
[Off-topic] krashkorsss:
If you want form the the APPLE but if you want function ANDROID. I am an IT admin and I work on all of them.
[Off-topic] mcp1999:
I like Apple but the iPhone is too expensive.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Tell me about it. I payed $400 on contract for my first iPhone...the original 8GB one. I payed $300 on contract for my iPhone 4, a 32GB one. My others phones were around $100 on contract or around $400 full price.

But I guess we get what we pay for. I know I love my iPhones.
[Off-topic] zico_newbie:
Android is better, cheap and powerful :)
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Another win for Apple:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/08/french-court-squashes-samsungs-quest-for-iphone-4s-ban/
[Off-topic] gcogger:
And (a big) one for Samsung:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Australian-High-Court-says-Apples-case-has-no-merit-Samsung-free-to-sell-Samsung-GALAXY-Tab-10.1_id24533
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
[According to this story, t]his is an Apple-acceptable Samsung tablet:

http://gizmodo.com/5866626/the-****-tablet-apple-thinks-samsung-should-have-made
[Off-topic] undercover:
Marty, stop bloody trolling. Just accept that android is out there, proving being a popular platform. As a person into technology you should be able to see that there is a place for any platform, not just wp7 and iOS.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Another good reason to love and side with Apple.

http://gizmodo.com/5868700/apples-a5-processors-are-made-on-a-36bn-samsung-production-line
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
I bet Marty rages every time he sees this:
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
Someone needs to make Apple aware of this. They need to try and shut this company down as well.
[Off-topic] agent205:
You are the new owner of Apple or what?

Sent from my heart into yours
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
Since apple is suing companies for "likeness" of their product. Icons, shape of phone, blah blah blah.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Oh well , Apple was okay until Steve died . Things took bad turns from then on .

/honesty
[Off-topic] hungry81:
But wait its better than an iPhone. The antenna actually works
[Off-topic] Namisan:
I like Android better than apple. Not necessarily Samsung though. Prefer HTC.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Apple is far from done with Samsung.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/apple-alleges-more-samsung-patent-infringement-in-oz-over-copyca/
[Off-topic] Archer:
lol .
[Off-topic] sooyong94:
Suing over something related to phone and tablet accessories? Siriously?

BTW someone will going to say this copied crApple:

I'm pretty sure crApple copied from this:
[Off-topic] Broeser:
:D LOL.
[Off-topic] Stupidusername7:
Apple may be far from done with Samsung...but I'm very much done with Apple.
[Off-topic] gal peleg:
android for ever!!!
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Are you aware Apple will be using Israeli-based chips in future products?
[Off-topic] undercover:
Omg, Jewish chips? Oh no, now no Muslim will buy an iPhone.

On a serious note, what difference does it make?
[Off-topic] xpect:
The chips will be military grade.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
To an Israeli it might make a lot of difference.
[Off-topic] sooyong94:
What difference? It's still a damn chip bro!
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I agree. It's still a chip.
[Off-topic] axne1:
Its not apple vs Android. "Its false beef" which we all love... I took my side Android! 2pac or Biggie?

Sent using HTC Evo 3d Swype.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Mmmm Jewish chips. Drools
[Off-topic] shumilov.max:
definately samsung
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
Reminds me of a Pringles commercial.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Holy thread revival Batman!

Are you just going through all old apple threads posting that image as many times as you can?
[Off-topic] corryrox:
umm..no...just some.....and well,..the dark knight does rise!!!
[Off-topic] kakalko4:
Samsung is the best

Wysyłane z mojego SK17i za pomocą Tapatalk 2
[Off-topic] ross231:
Correct me if I'm wrong, if Samsung get sued, and go bust, ect.

does this mean the end of apple products?

Samsung make's apples A5 Processors. right?
[Off-topic] domini99:
Sody crap.

Screw Apple!

Sent from my sending thing..
[Off-topic] abanglek:
when i'm okay with android, but hate samsungs (& maybe korean product, sorry for that..) they maybe good in making some hardware, but not in whole system.

for me samsungs are immoral & annoyed. they playing safe by copying whatever success product, add some nick&nack, maybe lower the price & make hype of it. actually they are killing others.

they ship half-baked product because they want the product in the market as fast as possible. touchwiz most of the crap, memory & cpu hunger.

samsung really dependant to other product, to copy of course. not only apple as their reference, eg: copying moto razr yester-yester-years for flip-phone etc. after they killing the original product in mass, they move to other success product to copy & the process turn back round&around.

for me, it's not about apple or android, it's about samsung. who are evil here, you tell me.
[Off-topic] VaderSKN:
<Puts out a flamethrower> oh really?
[Off-topic] lemonoid:
funk apple ...they stink :( all funky and stuff like my feet
[Off-topic] Muhau:
i like samsung s2 and not hate apple,,,

i'am love android phone
[Off-topic] galaxys:
The clear winner is Android! Apples are only good for making sauce!!
[Off-topic] bbackzaa:
I love android
[Off-topic] brench:
samsung galaxy s2

the galaxy is better than the iphone, lol.
[Off-topic] appajodu:
Android rocks

i love Android, the way they designed and released was awesome...

now i am playing with my android wil all the custom roms..thanks for Samsung and Google :D
[Off-topic] corecrack:
samsung is best
[Off-topic] EvenXY:
Samsung is better than Apple, but the best of mobile OS for me is WP7.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
+1

WP7 is excellent. Super duper smooth and clean. If MS can fix the battery life issue, iOS will be a thing of the past.
[Off-topic] AAQiL:
will it make Samsung device expensive or delayed, which will decrease customers interest :eek:
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Crickey! The battery life must be particularly poo if that's all that is keeping it's market share at 5.8% (and falling) ;)
[Off-topic] THUDUK:
Why is it most software developers will choose to develop for the iPhone platform first and may not develop for android or wp.

I think google and samsung are underestimating just how devastatingly successful iPhone 5 is going to be, regardless whether it's any good or not.

I have to own an iPhone or iPod as most developers I work for demand apps for iPhone 100% they might consider android, vary rarely windows phone and hardly ever webOS, over the last year most of my work has been iPhone development help, apps for iPhone will increase over the next year at least by almost double, the quality of gaming on a fixed device will always be better than the android variety, the next best for future development will be windows phone, ease of transferring iPhone apps over is getting simple and it's fixed device development platform is more desirable, android just has too many different specced devices to justify the development into producing so many separate versions.

My prediction would be for 2012

Apple iPhone will go through the roof, iPhone 5 will outsell even the iPhone 4 sales in 2010, iOS5 will make second hand or reduced rate new iPhone 4 devices sales to rise.

Initial sales of these new dual core, phones will dwindle as they replace them with quad cores, but googles ui won't be able to keep up with the advance of the hardware, developers will steer ever more clear of the android base, androids sales will level off if not decline. Android devices have great support from the likes of xda developers and userbase specialists but it's difficult for commercial development, fear of instability, malware, piracy add to non development.

Windows phone is a tricky one, if they manage the launch of nokia and mango devices right and the prommissed development from big teams comes through, you will see a large increase in the sales of these devices, the apps will increase throughout 2012, in particular gaming
[Off-topic] xaccers:
It's perception.

There's a lot of hype over the iphone etc, with lay people believing it is the best phone because it's advertised so much and is so expensive.

With it becoming more public that Android is outperforming iphones, this will change and you'll get more dual developments.

I don't envisage it getting to a point where Android is the first choice for development for quite a while though, too many numpty devs have got iphones, so it makes sense to develop for the hardware you have to hand.

WP7 has such a small market share (and falling), developing for it isn't likely to get you significant sales unless you have a top notch product which has sold well on the other platforms.
[Off-topic] poisonboy:
ı think samsung is better than apple because apple's hardware is very poor.but my favourite is lg optimus 2x.
[Off-topic] Parthenopipitsa:
Apple is too limited...
[Off-topic] _cummoo:
I bet samsung is still the better choice!
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Looks like Motorola is also being sued over the Xoom, as revealed by the Samsung suit.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/10/apples-samsung-complaint-reveals-its-also-suing-motorola-over/
[Off-topic] Tone_:
More info here http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motorola-in-europe.html

Wonder which tablet is next?
[Off-topic] beaner14096:
Apple has their ups and downs. I think personally htc makes the greater quality products
[Off-topic] crowbarsolutions:
As far as paid apps go, iphone has the largest user base with payment information attached to their accounts (iTunes). Whereas android has comparably fewer people with a google checkout account setup for payment on the market.

Which is why you see a lot more ad supported apps on android than you do on iphone, people are more willing to pull out their wallets when they have an iphone.
[Off-topic] tjtj4444:
You're looking from developers point of view so you miss an even more important view: the customer

It is clear from recent statistics that android grows faster than iphone.

(e g here http://seekingalpha.com/article/284780-android-continues-to-gobble-up-smartphone-market-share )

So sure, it is a bit more difficult to develop and test apps for Android since there are many more phones from different manufacturers, but the customers want to have different phones with different properties:

Small, medium & large displays

Cheap or expensive

physical keyboard or not

different designs

Etc...

And if there are customers, then there will be apps & developers, I'm sure...

And please note, I work in this business, and I've heard your point of view from several developers, but it doesn't matter, this choice is not up the the developers to make, this is a choice made by the customers.

Of course, iOS will not die, that would be sad, competition is good. But Android will increase at least as fast as iOS.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Exactly! Well said. They are all excellent when they all exist together. When one dies, the customer suffers.
[Off-topic] vetvito:
I have to totally disagree with this. We're not willing, but forced. You can't download anything without a credit card, not even free apps.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Rock on Samusng lawyers!!

https://twitter.com/#!/andreasudo/status/101625833415905281
[Off-topic] SolBallads:
But it's not true.. You can download free apps.. Before you add a credit card just try to download a free app and among the ways for you to pay is "No Credit Card" or something similar..

ps i dont have an iphone myself so maybe i dreamt about that :p
[Off-topic] THUDUK:
To create an account on iTunes you need to put in some kinda credit account just be able download
[Off-topic] Atlasox:
Since when? I've been using iPhone since 2008 and I never had to put any credit card details just to download a free app. That's weird.
[Off-topic] Atlasox:
Since when? I've been using an iPhone for 3 years now and I was never "forced" to give out any credit card details. I've been downloading free apps every now and then and never had problems.
[Off-topic] ste1164:
I also have no credit card details on my iTunes account and I can download free apps just fine.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
According to this report, Apple made a mistake on evidence submitted to the EU courts.

http://gizmodo.com/5831208/apple-presents-misleading-evidence-in-german-case-against-samsung
[Off-topic] Tone_:
pictures in this article make it clearer

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...pean_Samsung_case?taxonomyId=144&pageNumber=1
[Off-topic] thimon:
i don't like apple, so... android ^^^ :cool:
[Off-topic] 5h1nob1:
open source all the way :D (Iam just going to sit on the side lines and watch apple vs google) Apple needs to step up and do some variety with their iPhones! come on they are up to iphone 5 and all the changes they do is upgrade processor and camera! ooh wait..you can have the "special" white one. The iPhone reminds me when they use to serve "chicken" or "lasagna" in the airplane.
[Off-topic] Tone_:
Thought the tab was running honeycomb :D
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Haha, good one! :cool:
[Off-topic] Miguelo03:
"samsung all the way" X2