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[EVO 4G General] cnstarz:
some phones that already had s-off can take the OTA and still downgrade their hboot afterwards to reroot their phones

if OP got a refurbed phone, it's possible that it was s-off in the past and would explain why he was able to reroot.
[EVO 4G General] OldCrowEW:
if phone that previously had s-off which now has s-on can be downgraded later? i havent heard this one before. isnt that the whole point of s-on?
[EVO 4G General] OldCrowEW:
really? ##786# works? try again. it does not work just fine on my phone. Thanks for your input but the downgrade *DID WORK*. I am more interested in figuring out why it worked than hearing everyone tell me it cant, or its impossible etc. Seriously, what is the point? It worked, I am trying to help others and people just want to attack. Complete bull****.
[EVO 4G General] elwood:
are you doing #786# or ##786#? because #786# will not do anything
[EVO 4G General] civic4982:
+1 ... the goal here is not to deny it happened but rather in search of why it happened.

That being said though this has not been able to be replicated... Something was different about OP's setup than the various others.

btw, it's actually "##786#"
[EVO 4G General] EVOlvedAndroid:
I was previously s-off and it still didn't work
[EVO 4G General] OldCrowEW:
thanks it was ##786# Its late and I was ranting about the negativity.

Is there anyway to check what may be different?
[EVO 4G General] D3VIOUS:
This does not work... This thread needs to be removed!! All its doing is getting people excited :(
[EVO 4G General] catseyenu:
You need EPST 2.1 update-1 in order to use all the ## codes. It can be pulled from most sense 2.1 roms.
[EVO 4G General] soldierforchrist2:
You know... this is the third thread like this that I've seen in the last month. Even though it makes way more sense that the OP accidentally mistook S-OFF for S-ON, I have to think it's possible that there is something to these claims. Regardless, it's kind of ridiculous to keep calling him a liar unless you really think he's just trolling. If he were trolling, you'd be playing right into his game, lol. But I doubt it...

Sadly though, if there is something to these reports about getting S-OFF on 2.16, I have to think it's just some kind of hardware fluke, such as the S-ON tool not working completely during refurb. Who knows... point is, it's probably not repeatable. Which is sad for me because I'm still waiting to root my phone and have tried everything under the sun.... twice...

OP - I think it might be good to change the name of this thread or close it. I for one appreciate you trying to help everyone else out. But it doesn't look like we're doing any good at this point. Thanks!

Edit: By the way, who rated this 5 stars???
[EVO 4G General] oneofthemoment:
Unlocked doesn't mean you have root
[EVO 4G General] XyberTripX:
hmmmm im curious...

I know holding volume + and volume - while holding power will hot reboot but when you are in OS, when you perform that but keep holding said key press past the reboot point it puts it into another mode... What is this for...

The green light just blinks until you pull the battery...

Again what is that for. Would be nice if for downgrading
[EVO 4G General] SGTSTEW75:
SOOOOOOO Does this work or not????
[EVO 4G General] soldierforchrist2:
Are you referring to hboot menu or recovery? As far as I can tell, the phone just reboots again if you keep holding those keys. But either way, I'm sorry to say that HTC has covered all their bases in preventing downgrading.
[EVO 4G General] Nick N:
This feels like 2 weeks ago. Someone magically achieved s-off while on gb doing a 3.70 downgrade. Has anyone proven that when you use the unrevoked s-on tool that is actually turns it back on, or just makes it appear to be on?

1. The phone was most likely a refurb that was rooted at one time.

2. I do not think you can achieve s-off simply by flashing a stock RUU zip file.

I am not falling for it (again).
[EVO 4G General] SGTSTEW75:
As I feel the same way, I am soooooooo tired of not being rooted I am willing to plant and water it regularly to achieve ROOT

Sent from well, who gives a flip. It ain't rooted and running like a raped ape any more.....:( Thinks Sprint......
[EVO 4G General] XyberTripX:
This while in the OS, in the android home screen. while holding said keys you can see the phone hot boot but if you keep holding it you can feel the phone vibrate, screen turns off the the green light just flashes. Seems like another debug mode or something I'm pretty sure of it.

Thanks for everyone's contributions...
[EVO 4G General] dsotm82:
Obvious troll is obvious?
[EVO 4G General] webs05:
Didn't work for me with 2.16 S-on.
[EVO 4G General] yznhmr:
Probably what happened.. he received a S off phone..

I have had several replacements over the last year.. and some of the "refurbs" look as if they didnt even look at the phone.. one had totally corroded usb/hdmi jacks..:eek:
[EVO 4G General] someonenewhere:
lmao@you all being trolled.........
[EVO 4G General] tnerb123:
This has gotten me thinking. We can create ruu's correct? Why not have somone who already is s-off create a ruu with the most recent update. Then have one of us non rooted people attempt to apply the ruu? Or is it going to bauk at the signature?
[EVO 4G General] leo72793:
Idea is good, except because the S-ON checks signatures, it wont allow it. Now if someone can get into the bootloader file itsself, and place the older scripts for bootloader updating, maybe it could work if someone can get the signature to be ripped, then applied
[EVO 4G General] bender beerman:
or just patiently wait for unrevoked like everyone else who isn't lucky enough to manage a downgrade with an s-off refurb or an earlier hardware version; they are the professionals, they're working on it, and they're close.
[EVO 4G General] jacsonmoore3:
CALL ME CRAZY,CALL ME RETARD....IT LOOKS TO ME THE ONLY ONE THIS WORK FOR IS THE PERSON WHO MADE THE THREAD...HaHaHa!!!!
[EVO 4G General] fgcchevy:
I wonder if this is the same kid, that told me, he could root my brothers evo with 2.3. Oh yea, he wanted to charge me $75! I told him there was no root for the evo with gingerbread. He said that he had his sources and that xda was not the only site that posted the methods. He refused to name me a site though, lol.
[EVO 4G General] erik077:
Any mirrors for this ? I want to try it and finally give plain answer does it work or not, but can't download it.
[EVO 4G General] usmaak:
Is your statement that they're close based on any sort of evidence? Or is it just that you know that they're awesome and that if anyone can get it, it's them? :)
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
This has been tested multiple times. And has been proven to not work. My guess is that his phone was rooted previously and was set back to s off by sprint, but still had an unsecured bootloader and he got lucky.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Omg. I remember when we were all making up hella crazy ways to root. I started that with the microwave root method and it like blew up in the thread, and people still use them

Did I create an XDA mini meme? XD
[EVO 4G General] DWhite456:
somebody mirror the file at least
[EVO 4G General] DWhite456:
just realized, if you have Dropbox...you can just copy the file to your folder
[EVO 4G General] bender beerman:
no, i have no inside sources; yes, they are AWESOME and will work out the problem before somebody inexperienced stumbles upon it :)
[EVO 4G General] dans108:
Couldn't downgrade but some how got it into a mode where it said SAFEMODE on the bottom left hand corner.....lol what is this for???
[EVO 4G General] tnerb123:
Um Safe mode? Are you running a windows phone????
[EVO 4G General] leo72793:
+1 xD perfect
[EVO 4G General] dans108:
No windows plate here... Just stock evo. Really kinda made me feel that i was, have never heard of that one but ran the same just but could only see stock apps when I went to apps. Yes I was holding the + and - down past the boot when I got there. Anyone know about this? The last time i read this it was when someone told me it was a blank screen and green light flashing.
[EVO 4G General] androidsupra:
I read someone got an EVO 3d into safemode when they were in the process of digging at the temp root a little while back. Don't remember what they decided about it.
[EVO 4G General] leo72793:
howwwwwwwwwwww
[EVO 4G General] liable16:
Im in safe mode now what the hell is it....

i did volume up volume down power. vibrated green LED flashed
[EVO 4G General] dans108:
Ok to get to safe mode you have the phone in the os!!!

press and hold down the power plus the vol up and down UNTIL it reboots takes a few secs. Don't take your fingers off the vol up an down key UNTIL phone is done rebooting and you see safe mode in the bottom left corner!!! now you are in safe mode.. Everythnig looks the same but everything besides stock stuff is hidden for some reason. Reboot and everythings fine..
[EVO 4G General] liable16:
whats it for??
[EVO 4G General] Mr_bleu:
I think your memory's skewed. ##786# works for me. Running King's kingdom rls2. Even tells you the date your phone was activated. June 15, 2010.
[EVO 4G General] nYdGeo:
For the record, the 4.24.651.1 RUU executable is 229MB, and the froyo 3.70.651.1 RUU executable is 209MB. Minus being an executable and maybe some bloatware, 202MB seems perfectly logical and reasonable. How about we get our facts in order before we stir the pot.

If someone has PC36IMG.zip files on their phone that are 110MB, those files are the ones in question, or they are obviously very small custom ROMs, maybe AOSP or something similar.

As for the other rudeness, like stating that this is BS as if you knew it and calling the OP a liar by inference, and/or requesting the thread be deleted is simply not necessary. Its crap attitudes like this that has lost us devs and other supporters.

Thank you for your time.
[EVO 4G General] nYdGeo:
Just remember folks...all that someone has to do to be a senior member here is have over 100 posts. That doesn't make them knowledgeable or helpful, nor does it stop them from being opinionated, or rude.
[EVO 4G General] dilaynie:
All these threads lately... People have so much pride and attitude. Gotta love internet muscles. I guess.
[EVO 4G General] github:
I can see it now...
[EVO 4G General] htcSlide:
LOL
[EVO 4G General] Shadowmite:
Look it's pretty damn simple. In addition to the fact s-off can downgrade/re-root easily there is one other thing that will allow you to downgrade a s-on device. If your mainver is low for whatever reason, your phone will allow a downgrade. This is a glitch and was not intended to happen but a few lucky ones have it. Stay patient.
[EVO 4G General] elwood:
care to elaborate on this? my main version is low.. its is Hardware Version 0002 with a PRI Version 2.15_003

and im still not able to ROOT :(
[EVO 4G General] {ParanoiA}:
Being able to downgrade requires either an s-off device or an older hboot version. Check out calkulins radio thread for the hboot section and you will see which ones are. I believe you can still downgrade a newer hboot with a hacked older one also. There is a thread in general about it.

Sent From My Pocket
[EVO 4G General] Xtazy305:
I Try but nothing! =[

Main Version is older!

Update Fail!

SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-ON

HBOOT-2.16.0001

MICROP-041f

TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac

RADIO-2.15.00.05.02

mar 8 2011, 17:02:15
[EVO 4G General] madigan82:
Thought what the hell, my refurb might have been an s-off at once point. Same. 5 minutes wasted but worth it if it works. Honestly I think this is a good thread for that small group of users with an s-on refurb. Trying doesn't cause a wipe so I don't see the risk. Either it doesn't work and you lose nothing or it does work and you are given the option to continue at what point you quit, back up everything you can, then wipe.
[EVO 4G General] dsotm82:
Why is this still open?
[EVO 4G General] OldCrowEW:
Could you give some more info on this? I am unfamiliar with the situation you gave.
[EVO 4G General] OldCrowEW:
This is exactly why I (mostly) abandoned the thread. I somehow managed to get root, when I shouldnt have. Posted with hopes others would help figure out why so the community might benefit. A bunch of asshats jumped on and called me a liar and troll etc. I wont be posting my finds through tinkering anytime soon.
[EVO 4G General] sivarticus85:
Sorry you feel that way. But don't take it personally. I think a lot of people are just really pissed they got screwed with a locked refurb when HTC patched the 2.10 exploit, and are also tired of everyone not searching the forums when posting another "is root available for 2.3.3 yet" thread. This was not one of those threads. I for one am happy to see you at least tried to share your finds with other members, and while I did try your methods and failed, that's another step forward in finding root. Success is not found without some failures along the way. Good luck in the future finding root, as I know I'll be trying to as well.

Cheers friend.
[EVO 4G General] soldierforchrist2:
+1

Wouldn't have commented if this wasn't still fresh, really don't to bump this thread anymore....
[EVO 4G General] zagman:
+1

Cheers to u and Bravo for a "right-on" classy post.
[EVO 4G General] nYdGeo:
Of course its not what HTC puts out. HTC doesn't release .zip images. They release RUU executables to be run on a computer with the phone connected to it.
[EVO 4G General] nYdGeo:
That is a valid, interesting possibility. Thanks for putting that out there.
[EVO 4G General] spotopolis:
I just read all 15 pages. Im on my 4th EVO as of yesterday, and It came refurbed with 2.3.3 and S-on but screw it! Im downloading and going to try. If there is one tiny remote chance of getting S-off, Im going to take it. If anything Ill just go get another phone. I dont have high hopes, but it would be nice if enough people tried and maybe there is a common flaw or something with phones that will allow this to work that is minor and overlooked. No one can say for certain.
[EVO 4G General] Goth_:
Trolls got trolled.
[EVO 4G General] joelrios1:
Got S-Off too

I read this thread completely and figured out, why not try it in my wife's Evo? Well, for some reason she had an old PC36IMG.zip on the SD card. I just opened it and there was a .txt file called android-info.txt and it reads like this:

modelid: PC3610000

cidnum: SPC5_001

mainver: 3.26.651.6

hbootpreupdate:2

DelCache: 1

I just knew this was one of the first FroYo updates and was a stock one because it had updates for radio, wimax, hboot, etc. For a matter of fact, I once rooted this phone with unrevoked and unrevoked forever but we had to take the phone to Sprint for them to check something related to the HDMI, so I flashed back to Stock and took the updates and everything, so it was on Hboot 2.10. They said the phone was OK, so they did nothing to the phone. Then came the GB updates and, because my wife didn't like root anyways, I just let the phone take the update. I just checked the phone and it had Hboot 2.16 S-On so I said, don't have much to lose. I tried the PC36IMG.zip that was there(not the one posted here), and it went fine, being the first thing it did was to return the hboot to version 0.93 with S-Off. The phone is hardware version 0002 if that matters and there's a video of it installing everything(almost, thought of recording it with my Evo 3d a little late). I will try to update it with the latest RUU and then try to Downgrade it again to see if it works. If not, wont be much of a lose for me or my wife, as she doesn't care that much about it.

I'm actually updating with the OTAs to get version 4.24.651.1 to see if it can get updated and then downgraded. Let's see how this goes.

Already Updated and with hboot 2.16.0001 and S-Off. I can't post the link to the video I took but look for me on youtube as joelrios1. I already have the first video there and would be posting the other two that I already took showing the phone doing the whole update process and everything and I'll make new videos showing if it can be rooted, if it can be downgraded again(I think yes because it's S-Off), and stuff like that. And I give the OP the credit for trying what nobody believed to try. What I think to be the key here is that the phone should had unrevoked forever s-off before any update so then it should be downgradable. Sorry for my english, it's not my primary language. I hope it gives people a little bit of hope in this situation. Take care.
[EVO 4G General] amart79196:
My wifes evo had s-off on hboot 2.16. I used unrevoked forever about a year ago because she wanted to force roaming only because of poor reception. I got it s-off, but never flashed anything. We ended up with an airave than later an airvana. I didn't worry much anymore about it since the issue went away worth the fem to cell. Since I follow this forum and flash my own evo, she got a bit jealous of my synergy sense 3.0 rom I'm running...so I told her I would flash it for her. I noticed the hboot was at 2.16 with s-off, so I just flashed amonra recovery and the rom. For the record, she had done every update with the phone rooted visa the ota updates and it never got relocked by the ota updates. I guess my case is probably more rare than most, and I never rooted the phone while it was at hboot 2.16, but it works perfectly....again, not much of a hack, but more surprising that I found out still open after all those ota updates. I'm no developer, and would to help. I have no idea if my idea would work, but maybe there is a way to extract the hboot 2.16 from my wifes evo to maybe see why it stayed open...maybe help find a way in. again, not even sure if it could be done, but I am willing to help if someone can point nee in the right direction to getting them what they need from her phone.
[EVO 4G General] joelrios1:
That's mostly the same as happened to my wife's evo. If something I could do too, I'm willing to help
[EVO 4G General] soldierforchrist2:
Thank you guys for offering to help. I don't think there's anything you can really do, but I for one am grateful for the offer. Taking an OTA update should never set the phone back to S-ON as far as I can tell, so your case is probably not all that rare. For those of us who got a refurbished phone and/or took the OTA without having S-OFF, the problem is not having an S-OFF image of the hboot unfortunately. The problem is that the locked down bootloader will not allow us to do anything (and believe me, I've tried pretty much everything imaginable short of developing an exploit, which I do not know how to do).
[EVO 4G General] Tekn010933:
So what ur saying the HTC left the "file" on the SD by mistake? or forgot to take it off? Well will check it out and confirm...
[EVO 4G General] Tekn010933:
Seen your video and it showing that your already rooted with an older version Bootloader 0.93 and s-off, am sorry don't mean to sound rude but what is the big deal here?

Or am I missing something here, old version don't think it would bring the newer 2.16 down to 2.10 as said in OP.
[EVO 4G General] Tekn010933:
Think your phone was already Rooted going into the latest OTA, then this would be possible. But For the Unrooted? Well you can clearly see right here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPYMWr1B9Ew

There is a post in here earlier showing from "joelrios1" how he had attain the "s-off" but can clearly see on his video that using this pc36img u posted and he's phone is on a old bootloader 0.9?? Seriously? not 2.16, I hope this can clear some confusion up and help others understand words from a great Dev in here

"Yeah, without HTC's key or a way to get an official one that is unlocked you are better of looking at other ways to do it. Right now our best bet is to get temp root through gingerbread. One we have that I'm confident we will be able to completely root fairly easily."

**Haus**
[EVO 4G General] churro7:
Downloading now will try tomorrow

sent from plant Snarf
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
Glad to see that this got moved into the General forums, where we really know how repeat failed attempts ad nauseum and then get snarky with the OP. ;)

Seriously, this was beat to death in the Dev forum; let it die.
[EVO 4G General] Kaybabe4:
My Refurbished Evo

I am hating my refurbished Evo! How could they make it unrootable? Anyone have any help for me? I could scream! I want my other one to work right!:mad:
[HTC Sensation] tangcla:
Just wondering if it's possible to get an icon on the lockscreen which shows the unread counter (similar to the standard Mail one), and also go straight to the Gmail app?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
I was running fresh as my rom. I then wanted to try Synergy as my new ROM. It installs, but when i reboot, it will just stay lock on the "HTC Evo 4G" splash screen.

I even try to reload the fresh rom and others as well, but nothing. I can get into the recovery screen fine, but nothing wants to work once i install a rom and reboot. please help and thanks in advance.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyrave:
http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?f=263#td_post_81
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
Thanks, but i been searching and working on this all day. I really don't know what else i can do.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyrave:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1127408

well sorry to say you wasted a day you could have been having fun flashing, because that link took about half a second to find after the 2 seconds it took to type "can't boot past splash"
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
yea, it took me that long also because i found that as well as try the steps. thanks for the help, but it still did not work.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Watcher07:
Make sure you're using amon_ra recovery as clockwork doesn't play well with synergy. Also make sure to wipe everything 3x.

Brought to you by my Godly Synergized EVO, the forum lurking Beast.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
OK i installed amon_ra recivery and that worked fine. I also wipe everything 3x as you said; however, when i try to install the rom, it installs. When i reboot it, it will stay stuck on the splash screen.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Watcher07:
If you're trying to install Synergy RC2 Godmode, you might want to try just regular Synergy RC2, the Godmode version has been hit and miss for a few people.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
I haven't been following the Synergy thread for a few weeks, but last I DID read, didn't the Godmode version supposedly take like 45 mins to boot or something like that?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
I would leave it for 20 min every time i try it. I also try different roms, and they still do the same thing and get lock on the splash screen.

My brother has a Evo also and his took 5 min to get out of the splash screen.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
My next question is, did you totally wipe everything?

Follow the guide in my signature
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
yes, i also followed the steps.

I also followed this one.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15165391&postcount=476
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
UPDATE****

OMG it is working now!!!! however i am using Fresh. Why wont Synergy work?? any ideas?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
I don't know, but, tbh, try MikG. It's really almost the same thing as Synergy. Very few real differences and I had better performance with MikG than I did Synergy
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ecko280:
Thanks a lot. I downloaded MikG and it worked great. :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hijouru:
im gonna download it now and try it out thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
As for synergy and other 3.0 roms, it can go up to 8 minutes on the splash screen, due to the size of the rom and re-building the cache.