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[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
I think there's two parts to this, question.

1. a) I think it's a QC issue for customer updating that can possibly brick the phone. Nothing would be worse for SE to have bricked phones returned and reported in the market. Even if it's 1-in-10,000, they might not want to do this gamble. The unlocked bootloader phones have the imei recorded, and void all warranty when they apply for the key. b) A full kernel update would require a unlocked bootloader at some point in the process which would then have to be locked again, if this wasn't true they would have full kernel updates on all the 2011 phones.

2. SE's devs claim to be right there with Google on kernel development. They have given code and bug fixes and suggestions. Earlier this year, they claimed at UK and Canadian developer meetings to have offered up around 90 bug fixes, and a number of enhancements to android. Most of the enhancements were rejected save for the game controller code. If they are truly that involved, maybe patching in selected updates isn't that difficult.

I don't follow the Arc forums, has anyone actually offered a fully updated kernel for the unlocked bootloader?
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
You're missing the part where SE was straddling 3 different OS for their phones, Symbian, the Java based Linux phones, and Windows. Symbian sucked out the resources, the Java phones were where they were actually making money with the fashion phones that were cheap cheap cheap, and the original Xperia stuff was stylish but ran Windows and WinMobil at that time sucked as well as being expensive in payments to MS. They went nearly bankrupt and had to reorganize, firing thousands of people, many programmers and went looking for a new OS that wouldn't cost them a lot. (Frankly the Java8 OS phones had more functions than android has today, particularly the complete BT stack. which I miss.)

ATT and SE were and are a long partnership from hell. ATT wanted to offer cheap stylish phones, and Walkman phones (they understood what a Walkman was-- cheaper than an iPhone for people who balked at the iphone price but wanted a music phone), cute phones like the W600, suitable to teens and preteens. They've totally dissed the Arc, after the X10's mediocre performance in the US market compared to the Samsung Galaxy and iPhones. They're late to the Play and waited until SE had all the game support already running.
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
I don't think so. Google said that the Android 2.3.3 was based on 2.6.35 kernel and it's must be. Open source? I think it's mean that every company can use it, modding some futures, change UI but the system must base on the kernel that Google used. I don't think it's a good idea to change the kernel because it's optimized for the system to run with less error occur

Android 2.1: Based on Linux kernel 2.6.29

Android 2.2: Based on Linux kernel 2.6.32

Android 2.3/2.3.3: Based on Linux kernel 2.6.35

................................................................

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#2.3.2F2.3.3
[XPERIA X10 General] Ether_Man:
Why would a kernel update require an unlocked bootloader? The kernel did change you know... And, the kernel version changed for the 2.1 update so obviously it's very much possible... As for bricked phones due to unlocked bootloaders... There's two points in this that you seem to have missed...

First of all, software and hardware are diffrent parts, and legally, are two very diffrent things. No matter how much you modify software, your warrenty for hardware is not changed for any company covered by swedish laws.. Such as SE... They are required to give warrenty for the hardware, no matter how much you mess up your software..

Secondly, an unlocked bootloader, does not mean the same thing as you can brick your phone because of an update. As long as you dont touch the bootloader itself, that's just as safe as it is today. Rather the opposite actually. Due to the fact that the bootloader is today locked, to get it unlocked, it has to be modified, and that modification can lead to phone being bricked... The chances of bricking your phone, thusly has INCREASED due to locked bootloader, not decreased.

And, the ones that unlock their bootloader using the official method, do not lose warrenty, even if it says so on the page. Atleast swedish consumers do not... SE isnt even the ones that decide or provide that warrenty in the first place for consumers... As a consumer here, your warrenty is with the store you bought it from, not SE and in my experience, other countries work much the same in that regard.

That's an intresting claim... From both sides actually... Now first of all, if SE was right there with google, the vast majority of their patches, wouldnt have been denied as they have... And secondly, Google is not the ones developing the kernel. The kernel is in the end a linux kernel and that is in no way a google project so isnt for Google to accept or deny patches, nor are google the ones SE would be supplying patches to. As for backporting selected updates from 2.6.35 to 2.6.29, Im sure that's not all THAT hard... But it does put into question what I said I find quite intresting.... WHY... Even if we assume it's an easy thing to do, why do it when it's not needed. Either there is a need, even though SE has not given any reason nor has anyone else found any reason for it as of yet atleast... Or it's not needed, and then, why did they do it?
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
SE is a contributor to Linux kernel and Android code Sources

I'm going to correct myself, it was very early in the morning when I posted those statements, and I realize now that I erred.

1. The SE dev's offered bug fixes and source code to Android's dev team as I have stated, such as the game controller code. They have also done at the time of the video 9 months ago, 738 changes to the Linux kernel. See this: http://skillsmatter.com/podcast/os-mobile-server/implementing-android-a-manufacturers-perspective

2. Not all the updates to the Linux kernel are applicable to phones. They are not ready to go through the latest kernel for creation of a newer branch that is the size and requirements they need, they started out this way before and have gone to a consolidated kernel source. This is suggested at the 4 min mark in the above video and later at the 17min.

Hellman says they realized that they needed a single code branch for the base material (obviously with phones that have different hardware, some differences must happen but they can be the hardware integration when the kernel is loaded).

3. At the 23min mark, Hellman talks about SE's Android contributions to the source.

So, from this, we can see that SE has at this time, little intention of full swapping of the newer Linux kernel and are proceeding with customized branch of the code which includes relevant fixes and updates. It seems that they base this decision on the desire for stability of the known platform. It may be in conflict with Google's desire for less fragmentation and rapid updating.

There is also a discussion of regionalization here explaining the different basebands as well as languages supported by the platform, and that some areas have different requirements such as non-working GPS hardware.
[XPERIA X10 General] Ether_Man:
Hmm..

That actually explains alot. Thank you. So basicly, SE consider themself better linux kernel coders than the real linux kernel coders, and use their own branch. Sad, but explains a lot :/
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
If they didn't fire them in the reorganization, they should, they have been creating OS for phones that predate Android. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericsson_Mobile_Platform#Source

And I'm sure they have hired people with Linux expertise since 2001. If casual developers are good enough and can contribute code to Linux, why can't SE?
[XPERIA X10 General] Ether_Man:
Contributing code is one thing... Branching it, something very diffrent... Patches getting denied to the linux kernel, are not normal if they fullfill all the mandated requirements... If SE devs was better than those "casual coders", which btw arnt casual coders at all, Id suggest looking up who actually makes contributions to the actual linux kernel, their patches wouldnt constantly be denied...
[XPERIA X10 General] viulian:
Yeah, well, I guess the "open" is a joke :)

No producer which invests a lot of money wants anybody to come and pick and make it better. Key seems to be "vendor locked-in".

For other technologies as well, Canon cameras can be booted with an add-on ROM - which gives you more access to camera functions - for which otherwise you would need to buy more expensive cameras. On Canon 7D, Canon decided to put a limit on how many times you can run the firmware update program (to deter developers in their debugging purposes). And the reason is ? If anybody gets hold of Canon's algorithms, then they can just create a small chip to execute them and has Canon quality to stand out.

So yeah, with Android's flagship devices, everything is free buuuut not quite. Camera drivers missing, bootloaders locked, accelerated rendering for specific apps cos what dev has time to finish by himself a driver ? By the time it finishes he has no reward - other newer models appear and nobody is interested anymore, people won't pay money cos phone is already old and they think of changing it anyway, etc).

So its quite a tight fight. Basically, since not only Sony behaves like this (delaying to the maxx, arc housing cracking, not unlocking), but all do this - I can't really fault Sony. HTC Sensation has its set of issues, SG2 has its set of issues, many promises about future satisfaction guaranteed (BUT PLEASE BUY NOW) and until then, whatever - suffer every day with poor battery, screen issues, eeeeetc.

I wish Leica would build mobile phones. I would pay premium to have something that does the job without standing in your way.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
SE definitely handles things more poorly and less professionally than any other smartphone producer right now though...

The premature "flicking the switch" on the website was just a very small example of a much larger problem
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
It's obvious to me, that few of you commenting have watched the video, etc. and followed through

Why don't you go here: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/wportal/devworld/search-downloads/opensource/android?cc=gb&lc=en The firmware is there.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Huh? It's not representative of anything, lot's of companies have web page update issues all the time.

There's a whole industry of blogs that's based on this leaking information, official and not. Frankly, it was the surest sign they were actually almost ready to release it.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Whatever you think..

It is all the time, like with se brazil and the multi touch thing..

They have the poorest communication ever between departments.

You don't see other phone companies with these problems. This is part of why they are failing so bad
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
EVERY OTHER PHONE COMPANY HAS HAD TO PULL GB OR ISSUE PATCHES.

http://www.google.com/search?q=delayed+gingerbread+updates+-x10
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Whatever makes you feel better!

They handle things very poorly and have a very bad reputation
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
I like a number of other people here just wonder how long is it that everyone is going to *****..... X10 now has GB. Well before other devices that are newer and older, from HTC, from LG, from Moto, etc.

Yes, it would have been nice if they let us trade in our phones for Arc for $99 or less. I supposed it would have been nice if they had used an unbranched kernel, but they haven't used it on the 2011 phones either.

Yes, it would have been nice if they dropped all the scripts for GB at the same time. Well, they certainly may regret it if SEUS was supposed to do the counting for them of how many phones got upgraded, cause there's been well over 50K downloads of the rooted firmware from all the file repositories that are not going to be counted. They only sold around a couple million x10's if I recall correctly.

Yes, they created a PR disaster when they said it wouldn't be updated.

Yes, they mistranslated or someone who is not familiar with phone, itself, thought that it was an error, saying multi-touch on the Brazil site.

We can't change any of this, do you want to go storm the SE office buildings?
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I'm not *****ing about them giving us gb, I'm just saying they could be doing much better if they didn't handle things so poorly.

They are causing their own demise.

This was a fantastic step for them, but how they handle it overshadows the actual, upgrade itself...
[XPERIA X10 General] kemmo123:
why does this thread even exist? stock roms on any device, sony or not always have a downfall and or annoying restriction. sony ericsson will never fall... they are one of the only manufactures of smartphones that are truly affordable . even though they lag behind in software releases, who cares! that's why we have xda and all the tireless efforts of all the devs to keep improving a great handset.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Some people seem to take comfort in judging multinational companies' strategies

as if they have the knowledge of an experienced professional analyst and/or all the essential statistics and analytics at the tip of their finger.

It's kind of funny to watch such attempts...

I am sure many will jump and say "I am an analyst" "I worked for them and them" "I know such things" or even "What do you know?"

but all in all, I only want to use my phone. If I don't like it, I'll buy another one. If I am not satisfied by SE, I'll buy from another manufacturer next time.

I really don't have the time to indulge in deep financial and strategy analysis,

nor to predict any company's downfall. I simply don't care. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
they are in the process of falling now actually lol...

Do you follow the stock market at all?
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Who did this?

Your fangirl approach to anyone giving their opinion interests me much more actually...

I bet if everyone was praising them you'd be hitting the thanks button repeatedly.
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
I don't think that way at all, Actually I find this kind of discussions interesting to see people's different points of views, And You really don't need to be an expert & have all the statistics to have a discussion about it, People can clearly see the outcome & can compare the way different companies communicate with their customers & handle things, I'm not bashing SE, My point is something else
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
your point makes a ton of sense....

we all have hands on experience with SE and other companies I'm sure. Why should we have to be an analyst or anything to have any opinion (yet having a favorable one is completely fine for some reason.....?).
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
If all opinions are acceptable by you, why do you seem to attack people

who don't share yours? Hmmmm... :rolleyes:

Anyway your attitude is just lovely, kudos on that :p,

but let me say that I am not a fangirl,

SE could crash and burn tomorrow for all I care.

Just because I don't want to whine, it doesn't mean that I take sides.

And in fact, I have expressed my not-so-positive judgement in posts such as this.

So, all in all, you have me figured out wrong,

but this is one more thing on my list called "Stuff I don't care about",

right after the demise of SE. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I'm not whining, I'm giving my honest opinion..

That is an example of how everything that doesn't fit into your knight in shining armor fantasy of se gets put down and hated on..

What's wrong with having an objective opinion?

What did I say that was hating on anyone that had a differing opinion?

I like how you attack me instead of what I wrote though ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Why do you think your opinion is objective and mine is not?

And I did not attack you, hate you or whatever,

you are way too sensitive. :p

Anyway, let me have my opinion, like you have yours and if you don't like it,

there's a perfectly good working Ignore List here on XDA.

Cheers!

I'm sending you love, rainbows and flowers from my mythical fairytale palace!

Oh, and my knight in shiny armor says "hi"! :D :)
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
It's funny you talked about how people having this discussion make you laugh since we aren't analysts, etc... Then you proceeded to hit the thanks button on every pro SE post :)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
And you hit the Thanks button to every against SE post...

What's your point? :confused:

And I didn't say "I laugh", I said it's kind of funny to read analytics

because all in all I care about my phone and not if the company will rise or fall.

And I mean any company.

In this particular post I did not take SE side nor the opposite.

Now, what do you want me to say to actually let go of this?

Please contact me via pm if you absolutely need to make this personal.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Seriously... lets be happy.

We asked for 2.3.3 we got 2.3.3.

If there are issue's the developers here will iron them out for us.

SE may have screwed up.

But don't we all screw up sometimes.

SE is also trying to fix their image so lets see how it turns out.

If you hate them just buy another brand.

I like SE.. them piss me off.

But i like their products.

So we didn't get the unlocked bootloader, 24bit color, unlocked bootloader or multi touch.... or unlocked bootloader. :(

But who knows.. maybe one day we will.
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
I agree & I'm pretty happy with the update itself specially considering htc desire's update & I never really believed those news & inside info crap about unlocked bootloader,... so yeah I'm happy & you've never seen me whine or complain

But the way SE handles things, their ridiculous statements(lies?), delays,... leave a lot to be desired, I'm a SE fan(fanboy?) myself & all of my phones were SE but they should handle things better & follow a no-bull**** approach in the future among other things to compete with others ( and by other things you know what I mean but that's not the point of this thread & I don't want to read another sickening arc vs. sg2 discussion)

But as I said I agree with you & these are the good days for X10
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
This thread is of no use to no one

ive never read so much drivel in my life

thread closed
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Axacizir:
Hey mates, was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on a good Rom to start with for this? I just picked up a used Eris and went through the One-Click Root. Running Plainjaine Sense, but would like to try out some others. Anyone have any good suggestions?
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scary alien:
Welcome to XDA, Axacizir.

Well, I've heard great things about several ROMs (I switched from my Eris to the DX last year, but I've been staying in touch with things both here and over at AF).

xtrSENSE5.0.1, xtrROM, GSB 3.8, and Condemned CM7 are all very highly thought of.

That being said, there are also a ton of other ROMs, too, that I'm sure are excellent that were built by some very creative and dedicated devs. All of these fine ROMs can be found here:

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=554

Be sure to read through the various ROM threads for all the installation instructions, caveats, and gotchas. If you run into an issue, read through the various pages of post that folks have added since they may very well have already encountered the same issue as you.

Good luck and happy ROMing :).
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Axacizir:
Thanks Mate! Glad to be here on XDA! Thank you so much for the suggestions, being new to rooting and this whole Android thing, it's a scary endeavor to root my device and find out the Rom caused a brick! I'm assuming that most Rom's here are "safe" to flash, as long as you have the proper recovery to flash with?

Again, thanks! It's a pleasure being here!
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scary alien:
Yes, they are safe as long as you follow all the little details / instructions in regard to getting the ROM installed--there are often difference in terms of what extras might need to be flashed (for example, the Google apps are included in some ROMs, but not in others).

Just read through the ROM dev's thread carefully...and it wouldn't hurt to read through a few of the first and last pages of each thread, too, to get a flavor of issues that new flashers might be experiencing--that'll likely answe a few questions that you might have before you run into them.

If, by proper recovery, you mean Amon_RA's custom recovery, then yes (we tend to steer new folks away from ClockworkMod recovery for the Eris at this point since there are some unexplained issues a few folks have had with internal memory blocks being mysteriously marked as bad with CWM--which is most likely a procedural issue vs. an inherent problem with CWM).

Also, if your trackball is misbehaving in custom recovery, I've built a version of Amon_RA's recovery that uses other keys for navigation. Lemme know if you need that and I'll point you in the right direction re. that (or you can find it by an XDA or Google search of "trackball-not-required").

Cheers!
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sjpritch25:
I've been a happy modder for the past year in a half, just make sure you backup before you do anything crazy.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IFLATLINEI:
I know this may sound stupid but backup what? Contact's are automatically synced and apps can just be redownloaded. What am I missing that's not stored on an SD card which wont be affected anyways.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CondemnedSoul:
Nandroid backup of your setup just in case something goes haywire you don't have to start over.

Sent from my ADR6300
[Motorola Droid X2] KurioHonoo:
What is the max number I should put the window max event manager at?

Sent from my DROID X2
[Motorola Droid X2] KurioHonoo:
Ignore the typo in the title, my phone wont left me delete the thread

Sent from my DROID X2
[Motorola Droid X2] TheMavic:
Just curious if anybody has went ahead and applied the V6 supercharger script to P3's pre-rooted GB update and what settings they used if any different from the popular Froyo settings.

Thanks!
[Motorola Droid X2] DAG425:
I have... Option 9... It works as far as I can tell... Quadrant scores jumped from a 2700 average to 2800+ average...
[Motorola Droid X2] DJJasonK:
I think the GB update fixed the memorey issues.

I'm not experiencing any memory issues now, and I've gotten up to 2893 on quadrant and 2723 smart bench. I might give it a shot if I notice any lagging. I was thinking the same thing.
[Motorola Droid X2] juhde:
Been running the rooted version nearly 24 hours now, with out super charger. It's just not needed anymore as gingerbread seems to be actually managing the memory correctly. I've only frozen adout 12 things and I'm constantly over 100MB free, 190MB if I kill all processes.
[Motorola Droid X2] zetsumeikuro:
Hmm it didn't send you guys into a boot loop?
[Motorola Droid X2] juhde:
We're taking about v6, not v8
[Motorola Droid X2] zetsumeikuro:
Yes I can tell by the title of this thread.
[Motorola Droid X2] juhde:
Then why would you think it would cause a boot loop? I've never heard of v6 making any phone bootloop ever.
[Motorola Droid X2] Robin M:
I set it up with options 8 & 11. I don't know if GB benefits from it or not. But I'm guessing it does over several days.

I had Busybox 1.18.4 and that gave it fits until I replaced it with 1.18.2.

Sent from Galaxy Tab with XDA app
[Motorola Droid X2] zetsumeikuro:
There's always a chance. That's why I'm asking to see if this has happened to anyone else.
[Motorola Droid X2] jeremy46er:
Jude, what apps did you freeze?