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[Off-topic] juzz86:
You are one hundred per cent correct.

I'll use your thread as a bit of a chance to vent, this is not directed at you and apologies in advance :o

I am sick and tired of God-damn kiddies popping up here, loading software onto their phones, cocking it up because they haven't done the reading or just have no f*cking idea, then demanding a f*cking walkthrough on how to pull themselves out of the sh*t step-by-step, or as you stated (and worse) returning their devices to get a new one, driving up prices and promoting manufacturers to lock their devices up tighter and tighter. It's an absolute disgrace.

So many users these days seem to have a God complex, an over-bundance of self-righteousness and an expectation that they deserve everything on a bloody silver platter.

Never ceases to amaze me that these idiots are willing to try everything posted here at the drop of a hat without waiting for bugs to pop up or even seeing if it bricks a device. Everyone wants the best right now, and then wants top-notch support to go with it. Just because it f*cking looks pretty.

Motorola have the right idea. Lock everything up tight, offer the option of unlocking, and void the warranty immediately. That's a damn good business practice. Keeps Developers happy (they can start work immediately without all the unlocking/S-OFF bullsh*t), and, you would think, would make people think twice about what they're doing before they unlock their bootloaders. Still doesn't seem to work this way though, hey?

It's for this reason I have absolutely no problem with manufacturers locking their devices. It's a dickhead deterrent. Doesn't phase a good Developer, but the idiots and general masses (myself included) are stuck, and they don't have to replace our phones because we didn't read or didn't understand, or wanted the best without doing anything to deserve it.

Noone wants to take responsibility for their own actions. If a Dev's ROM doesn't work for someone, all of a sudden it's the Devs fault. Nevermind they didn't read the instructions, FAQs and whatever else may have been there. Christ I saw someone create a thread to demand a step-by-step walkthrough and download of ADB just before. What the f*ck? More importantly, what the f*ck are you doing here without doing any reading or research at all?

/rant

Again mate, my apologies. I just agree with you, and I like the fact you've got 20-odd posts and 4 thanks already. You can have another one for your troubles!
[Off-topic] PoXFreak:
The biggest issue I have is when a dev. writes an unlock code for a newer phone and it gets released to the public, freeing that phone from being locked down, but also opening it up to a whole slew of idiots that should't be allowed to have a miniUSB cable in their home.

I can honestly say that I have NEVER bricked a phone. I will say I have had issues come up, but never enough to consider the phone an expensive paperweight.

Currently I am working on porting the Android 1.6 rom from the Dream G1 to the HTC Raphael, a perfect example of software being the main contributor to sales volume.

The Dream has less RAM and NAND memory, less keys on the keyboard and a lower resolution screen than the Raphael, but since it has Android installed it sold quite a bit more than the more feature-laden Raphael.

If I brick the Raphael there's no big loss, It was a free phone...

I tend to cover every aspect when looking into cooking or building roms and anroid installs, unlike most who will flash their phone with something completely wrong for their device.

To any of the "kiddies" reading this, RESEARCH your device, RESEARCH the phone you're about to flash it to and RESEARCH known problems after install so you don't post flames to the OP of the ROM/build! Most good cooks will post known problems with their ROMs' and even tell you if you need to flash a different radio or not.

I hate seeing 300+ replies to a ROM posting... Most of the info is in the FIRST or SECOND post, unless otherwize stated by the OP.

(I needed to rant... sorry if I offended anyone)
[Off-topic] juzz86:
This.

Firstly, good luck with your project. I have an old Raphael here so if I can be of help testing or whatever, let me know.

Second, you're exactly right. If you do the research, the issues you run into generally aren't overwhelming, and because you've read you already know what to do if you run into them. It's the kids that come in with their new toy, try and flash **** and **** it up, then expect the whole forum to bend over backwards to provide

everything

they need to fix their f*ck up. If they'd done what they should have done in the first place, we wouldn't be having this conversation!

:)
[Off-topic] harlaquin:
First off let me say thanks for the support on my forum topic. I was a "noob" as well at one time. Heck we are all "noobs" with each new rom,tablet,sdk,phone,o.s. that hits the streets as each one has its own set of issues and work arounds.

For example when I went to root my dell streak 7 I read up on it, I read about all the options and how they worked , looked for what problems others had, if it was even a good option for me at the time. Then i took what seemed the most popular option and what seemed to work best for others. and while reading up on the process i came across the adb stuff as mentioned before.

I was like holy crap whats all that I have to do. Well at least I have a back ground in modding and computer repaires going back years so I have the means to understand what i am reading.

But like mentioned before most of these people have no idea what adb is or how to set it up or even use it, they just jump right in with the first half ass'd wrote tutorial that useually leaves a set out and bingo they brick thier device.

Then go and return or send it in for replacement jacking up the cost for everyone else.

All I can say is read read read read read read read oh and READ some more before you go and think your a hacker and mess with your 500 dollar phone or tablet. then go cry and want a free replacement when YOU screw it up.

IM not perfect I bricked the hell out of a nook color BUT If you calm down go on the net and look chances are someone else has done the same thing and the information is out there to undo it just like i found and now my nook is all happy.

IT is very rare that these devices are UNFIXABLE almost 98% of any thing you do to it can be undone if you dont have the knowledge to undo what you have done then you should not be messing with it in the first place period.

and if you have screwed it up dont go run to the store or the warrenty hot line with a bag full of lies. Cowboy up and take the blame dont expect others to bail you out and put even more ecnomic hardships and tighter lock downs on the rest of us becasue that is all your doing.

On the lighter side LOL please excuse my grammer,puctuation,spelling and so forth I get so into my posts sometimes I dont pay any attention lol. Then when I se the post I go wow I look like an idiot :) but a lazy one I dont bother to fix it .
[Off-topic] papo:
sorry, but you are completely wrong. This is absolutely not how market works.

The price is not calculated and is not at all based on how many of devices get broken - which is how they are classified.

If all, then on contrary, the price may be reduced to reflect percentage of returned pieces. But again there is no dependence here.

Moreover, those devices will get reused, and will add on statistics to show problem with flashing, based on which they may try to make flashing more easy and foolproof. Yes maybe they'll decide to close some holes and make it more difficult to customize, but they might also decide to loose security here a little.

Look at HTC, you probably would agree they know about custom rom reflashing and I would say they even pulled some ropes to make it possible or easier.

It's market again, people who put custom ROM in their phone are more like pda freaks, specialist and their friends know them as such and when buying a phone asks them for opinion. So it's good for them to keep us, pda freaks, happy and allow us to tamper with their phones to be so.
[Off-topic] Crashdamage:
Agree 110% that users should read, read, read and ask questions to be sure they fully understand what they are doing and the consequences before trying modifications. They should be held responsible for their actions. Hard-working developers waste far too much time bailing out fools from their own foolishness.

There should be far more posts like in this thread all over the internet.
[Off-topic] Kiboe:
i agree, just like real life, things come with inscructions for a reason.

i mean, if you buy a peice of furniture from ikea...well, good luck even with the inscructions (i flipping hate ikea, to many parts to assemble)

but the point is, they are there to show you what do to, i managed to read them, and i got my skyraider (i want to flash to a 2.3 rom, but, due to bugs and reading alot of them are glitchy, gonna hold off on that for a while.
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
I'm not gonna lie, I bricked my first Android phone, However.. HTC Replaced the internals :D Not everyone that does this is a noob, it only takes 1 mistake or 1 panic to they do something and it breaks :eek: Mine bricked flashing a radio (I had read no instructions) I saw the phone with a triangle on when it rebooted and was like ahh?! Have I broke it and ripped the battery out.. Which did infact break it :p However rooting etc. where to even download the tools needed you have to read through very simple step by step instructions which are HARD not to do exactly as said ;) Then maybe I don't see how people end up breaking them
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
I have issues with these noobs wanting one click, exploits for everything and then when you.. (okay, I) suggest maybe, they actually learn, how to do it by long division...ie the "long way"...I get told to "get with the times" and "I, don't need too"....No?, well don't come crying to, me when something goes, wrong....I'll be too busy playing around on MY device....THAT ACTUALLY WORKS....

Sent using two tin cans and some string.....
[Off-topic] juzz86:
Damn right. You tell someone to go and do the 'hard' work themselves, all of a sudden these pr*cks step up and have the nerve to call you out. I'm sorry, but this place needs assholes, and lots of them. Kiddies will never learn if they're spoon-fed everything. Nothing teaches you something quicker than a smack on the ass.

I don't see anything at all wrong with calling out n00bs and serving a few idiots, provided it's done civilly. You'll always upset some people, but you can't be all things to all people, and I'd much rather be thought of as an asshole here and do my bit to cut down the bullsh*t, than sit idly by and watch this place die.
[Off-topic] Flussen:
I can see it over in the desire hd forums too(and i bet it's the same situaion on other forums too). There are more and more people who are too stupid to read one of the guides in the dev section. We have dozens of threads on how to downgrade/ s-off. And these aren't just for the lulz.

Everyday we get tons of new threads like "HALP MEH I HAZ NO TAIM TO READ TEH GUIDES SO PLIZ HALP MEH UNLOCKING MAH PHONE!!!!!!!!!" or "I NO HAS READ GUIDE AND I NOW ONLY HAS WHITE HTC SCREEN!!!!11"...

It seems that they haven't even clicked one single time on the Dev-section before creating a new thread about a bootloop or anything else.

And last but no least: the search button.

It's the same story again. The forum is full of questions that were answered like a billion times in the past.

Guys, when will you realise it? It takes some effort to make our phones working as we want them to. And the most important thing to do is reading. Read the guides some users put a lot of effort in. Read them to understand your device better and read them just to hit the Thanks Button on the bottom of the guide.

Sent out of my Free Candy Van.
[Off-topic] Kiboe:
because noobs think they can do everything in one-shot and end up getting bit on the ass :P

plus one rom i had to go back and wipe it 4 times before it finally booted back the startup loop

so, trial and error and paitionce also is important.
[Off-topic] Kiboe:
no, those aren;'t noobs, those are lazy people. they think technology will be instant...no, sorry never will, people get new tv's and think that everything will be setup out of the box, sadly this is why they have techs who have to come out and set the thing up for you because you were too ****ing lazy to take 30 minutes to an hour and do it yourself and save a buttload of money.

and how I rooted and got my roms on there? i read inscructions.....and Cvbcbcmv's video :/
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
Oh you poor OP. When will you learn?

Everyone was born unique. Therefore, everyone who was born falls on a different spot on the normal IQ curve. For everyone who is smart, quiet, listens to instructions, and respectful, there will be one d1ckwad on the other end of the equation (stupid, noisy, jumps the gun, and douchey).

From my experience, I know that I can only pray for these people and get the heck out of the dev section unless I need a new ROM.

But, all said and done, don't be discouraged by these id10ts, and continue to believe in humanity, or at least in me. I have never bricked my Desire, and the one time I was >< this close to bricking it, I knew what I did wrong and was prepared to fully accept the price of my stupidity. I have also read the instruction manual that came with my phone end to end (barring the index pages, anyway).
[Off-topic] juzz86:
Correction. Three dickwads :p
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
If XDA have this button called "follow", I'd click on it right now.

:D
[Off-topic] juzz86:
Cheers mate.

Unfortunately, some clowns are even beyond prayers. Look at how many threads there are for the f*cking Photon 4G. You'd think someone would have a look first, hey?

I don't want to be a Senior Member anymore. I want my user tag to be 'Ban Hammer'. Then watch me go! :D

Juzz86 - Ban Hammer

EDIT: Nice t1ts ;)
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
The quote is funnier when you finally get the innuendos.
[Off-topic] harlaquin:
Thanks everyone For all the input. can you believe the mds moved this post from general and tried to hide it away here in off topic. when i questioned the mod about it hes reason was not that it was off topic but because HE felt it would start trouble so HE hid it here and then when on to tell me he would close it if he so deemed..

I pointed out to him that i was not off topic that it was very much on topic of phones and tablet modding and that I had gotten nothing but possative replies and 2 5 star ratings on it.. he reply..... well he didnt reply.

SO lets keep it at the top of the off topic forum then shall we.. wanna bet they will close it then?
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
Dude... I'd say that your motivation is not correctly justified. While I, personally, pity the fools who bricked their phones, they are still part of the community. They do deserve some modicum of ridicule, followed by a generous dosing of we-told-you-so, moving on to remorse before ending with genuine help.

Moving it to OT... well... like I said in the other thread, the OT is the black hole of XDA (and I wouldn't have it any other way). While some might appreciate your sentiments, others would not appreciate your tone.

So, in the interest of the community, I'd have to agree with the Mods here.
[Off-topic] kryptoner:
oh that's a very big post *yawns*
[Off-topic] geeksquadryder:
What's worse than noobs not reading these posts and the idiots who put devices like HTC evo on Craigslist and try to sell for $350 as if the phone came our yesterday.

The snakes that learn how to root jailbreak and go on Craigslist and charge a arm and leg and rob the idiots who think they getting a deal off something that was free..
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
This tutorial is for noob people like me:) who needs a clean, simple and secure way to achieve something more from their stock ROM phones.

No doubt the devs are doing magics with their images but probably there are many conservative people who want to stay with their original firmwares.

So here we go:

My phone was runnig RUU_Saga_HTC_Europe_1.28.401.1_Radio_20.28b.30.080 5U_38.03.02.11_M_release out of the box first. It was S-ON. I S-OFFed it using Alpharevx and then I rooted it with Gingerbreak 1.20. Then I decided to update the phone with the stock RUU_Saga_HTC_Europe_1.47.401.4_Radio_20.28I.30.085 AU_3805.06.02.03_M_release_199410_signed and I lost my root but the phone was still showing S-OFF. Rooting with Gingerbreak is not working on 1.47.xxx ROMs. I rooted it using 4EXTRecovery v2.1.0 FINAL and this file from http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/revolutionary

To install 4EXTRecovery v2.1.0 FINAL on a non rooted phone(thanks to madmaxx82 and .sh4d0w.):

1. Download and unzip on your PC the attached 4EXTRecovery v2.1.0 FINAL.zip file

2.Copy all 5 files to the C:\ directory of your PC.

3.Connect your phone to the PC(debug usb option activated) charge only

4.Run cmd to open console, point to the directory where you copied the files and type: adb reboot bootloader - device will boot into the bootloader

5.Type: fastboot flash recovery recovery.img

Done

After reboot you should have 4EXTRecovery installed available from recovery option on your hboot menu.

6. Copy to the root of your SD Card the file su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed.zip which you can download from here

7.Go to the 4EXTRecovery > install from sd card and choose su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed.zip

8.Done. After reboot you should have SUPERUSER installed and your phone is rooted again:)

To get Ad hoc wifi support:

9.Download and unzip the attached Ad hoc.zip file to your PC.

10. Install from 4EXTRecovery ADHOC.v2.zip file and reboot.

11.Copy and replace wpa_supplicant file to: /system/bin

(you can use file expert apk from the market to do that)

Done. You have an Ad hoc wi-fi support. :)

YOUR PHONE MUST BE S-OFF BEFORE TO START THIS PROCEDURE!!!

DO IT ON YOUR OWN RISK!

Good luck!

You can have a look here for double check: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16171869&postcount=184
[HTC Desire S] ando roido:
Just to be sure: does installing 4EXTRecovery or su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed wipe any data from you phone?
[HTC Desire S] Arshin:
NO it didn't !

I did it last night and worked !
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
Phone remains untached. Just rooted :)
[HTC Desire S] ando roido:
If I have ClockworkMod Recovery installed already then can I install 4EXTRecovery on top of that?
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
I don't think so. You better don't. But why do you need 4EXT once you have already CWM installed? I just shared one option to root 1.47.xx ROM which was not possible to do with Gingerbreak. If I have to remove CWM I would flash stock RUU. You will keep your S-OFF but will loose root. Then install 4EXTRecovery and proceed to root with the su-file. But maybe there is more elegant and time-saving way to do it. Just surch around the forum.
[HTC Desire S] ando roido:
Noob understands it to have better and more features.
[HTC Desire S] bilalovic1234:
This work with new hboot (6.98.1002 or like) or not
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
Yes, it works. That's the idea because Gingerbreak is not working on 6.98.1002
[HTC Desire S] bilalovic1234:
on cmd i have juste one message< waiting for device > how many time i need waiting or is wrong way
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
yes you can install 4EXTRecovery on top of CWMR

4EXTRecovery basically is CWMR with more options & features
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
Uninstall all HTC drivers and HTC Sync from your PC. Download fastboot drivers available here and install them. Make sure your phone is with USB debug active, connect it to the PC(charge only) and you should be OK. After everything done you may install your HTC Sync again if you want.
[HTC Desire S] bilalovic1234:
not help is same probleme .... f..ck.... i have superuser installed beefore this hboot and i cant delete superuser
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
Download the stock ROM from the dev section and flash the phone. I pointed this on the previous page. And follow the procedure - read it again.
[HTC Desire S] bilalovic1234:
Same waiting for device all is ok but not work...
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
But you have SuperUser installed so your phone is already rooted. What actually are you trying to do?

When I was installing the stock ROM I was using the drivers provided from the official HTC website. Before to succeed with flashing the RUU it gave me couple of times connection error and waiting for device. I tried with sync option and with charge option and it worked at the end. You can try that too. As far as I remember flashing the RUU was with USB debug OFF.
[HTC Desire S] loukasz:
i have root my phone..

but i have problem with wifi..

i think i cant move the wpa_supplicant..

i have tick the root explorer in the file expert

any suggestion?

thanks u:)
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
What is the problem with your wifi? Install the file expert apk from market. Open it and go to the place on your SD Card where you put the file wpa_supplicant. Copy the file and navigate to /system/bin and paste it - it will ask you to overwrite the existing file. Press ok and that's it. Make sure that you have installed the ADHOC.v2.zip file from recovery too.
[HTC Desire S] loukasz:
in wifi write error..

i replace the wpa_supplicant..any suggestion..i need my wifi :(

how can i check if the ADHOC.v2.zip installed?

edit:

install again the ADHOC.v2.zip

replace the wpa_supplicant but Error in wifi still exist..
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
Just boot in to recovery and choose install zip from sd card

Navigate to ADHOC.v2.zip(the file should be on the root of your SD Card) and install it. Reboot.
[HTC Desire S] loukasz:
in 4EXTRecovery write

Current Rom: GRI40

i have to change the rom firtst?

sorry for noob question but iam newbie :D

i have to install

RUU_Saga_HTC_Europe_1.47.401.4_Radio_20.28I.30.085 AU_3805.06.02.03_M_release_199410_signed?
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
No, you don't have to install the ROM again. GRI40 is the original ROM - don't mind it. Just install from recovery the adhoc file.
[HTC Desire S] loukasz:
i install

RUU_Saga_HTC_Europe_1.47.401.4_Radio_20.28I.30.085AU_3805.06.02.03_M_release_199410_signed

install the su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed.zip from 4EXTRecovery

try program call Root Checker and its write tha iam root..

also wifi work without install the ADHOC.v2.zip..

is that possible?
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
Wi-fi is working anyway. The point is to get the ADHOC support for wifi. If you need it of course. By default ANDROID is not supporting Ad hoc networks. All the rest you did well.
[HTC Desire S] loukasz:
oleeeeeeeeeee :P

install and the ADHOC.v2.zip

works perfect :)

thanks again..
[HTC Desire S] teddy_irish:
Good for you! ;)
[Thrive General] wbales:
I'm loving the battery life on this. Maybe it's because the phones i've had was the G1 and G2x but still... And the charging is ridiculously fast. I all other other "tabs" should be jealous :)

And and hey everyone! We are on XDA!!
[Thrive General] SpinKix:
The reason I'm here at the Thrive forum is the because of the battery.

It's replaceable, unlike the G tablet I have now.

I've had it since October of last year, and now the battery won't Charge past 50 percent.

Although I'm perfectly capable of replacing the battery myself (I've had it apart to reset it), Viewsonic won't sell me one.

What's worse is the fact that Modding the Rom voids the warranty.

Even if I go through the hasstle of flashing back to stock, any personal information is available when sent in for repair.

A replaceable battery is a requirement for my next tablet, and the Thrive is the only one I'm aware of.
[Thrive General] teh roxxorz:
Yup the thrive is currently the only tablet on the market that features a removable user replaceable battery.
[Thrive General] Hitch_Itch:
Im real happy my thrive has a replaceable battery, but the battery life is really poor in comparison to the Samsung G Tab 1.01
[Thrive General] teh roxxorz:
What kind of life are you getting? I'm managing to get 15hrs-19hrs.
[Thrive General] drum747:
I get great battery life as well but it took at least a week of cycling before I saw a dramatic improvement.