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[HD2 General] orangekid:
that's not true, go ahead and take out your SD card and boot up android NAND, it will run just fine. On ANY android phone, it saves some files/folders on SD on boot to utilize, not just the HD2,

But to run Android it does not need any files on SD. With CWM flashes over cLK, it basically is a "true" android device.
[HD2 General] bigfdaddy:
Ok ty that was one of my questions is y we have certain files on the SD card....

sent from bigfdaddy
[HD2 General] orangekid:
Ya android uses it to store some things. Its like that in all phones
[HD2 General] enigma1nz:
I took my regular card out last week and replaced it with one where I have movies only, a whole collection of just movies. And... nothing happened. The phone will create folders for additional storage, depending on setup, most likely, but it's not imperative to have the card to run Android off NAND. You install off SD originally, so will have Android installation files on it to begin with, once installed - swap cards, do whatever.

It will be another story if you had some apps moved to SD for whatever reasons of your own, then sure, you will need to have your card in to run those apps. If you have wallpapers stored on SD - same thing. But if you install Android to NAND, your entire NAND will be used without any not being available to you or partitioned in a way that will 'lock' half of available internal memory, which is what your original question was about. I have 479Mb of internal memory listed as available and none on SD. When I install anything to my phone it is installed to internal memory. The only things that needed my SD memory to be available were books.
[HTC EVO 3D] DJ1994:
Hey this is my first post and I'm kinda new. I don't know if this question has been asked but i haven't seen it in the two weeks I've been on. But the YouTube app does not work for me I always get an error that says the video cannot be played tap to retry. Now I've heard of this problem thing is it almost never worked (probably 80%) in the browser. Very rarely can I use YouTube at all on my phone. Can anyone tell me what the solution is?
[HTC EVO 3D] DJ1994:
Could anyone help me?
[HTC EVO 3D] doctor ladd:
Mine does this all the time a few tap to retry's usually does it.

If not clear the app cache and data.

Go to:

Menu

Settings

Applications

Manage applications

All

Youtube

Then open youtube and log back in. This usually fixes apps that seem to have gone nuts, good luck!
[HTC EVO 3D] oohaylima:
If your rooted, uninstall the apk with titanium and reinstall it.
[HTC EVO 3D] rkb6581:
Also check for the update on the market, that's all I usually have to do with customers' phones at the store.
[HTC EVO 3D] DJ1994:
Yeah i have tried that before it worked once but never again. I'm not rooted yet. Weird thing was this used to happen on my hero too.
[HTC EVO 3D] DJ1994:
I just checked the market and there's no update. Won't even let me remove it. I cleared data and cache and it didn't help. Any other ideas?
[HTC EVO 3D] rkb6581:
Make sure that your flash player is up to date, too. Now that we have root, if your have done so, it would be easy to remove the app through Titanium Backup, as well.
[HTC EVO 3D] bigmikehd2:
Mine is jacked up too. Youtube app won't work in 3g but works fine in 4g and wifi. But if I go to the browser to youtube website, it works fine in 3g. So I believe it's the app. Youtube app on this phone is 2.1.7 on the market it's 2.1.6. I believe we just have a buggy new app that was made specifically for the 3d capabilities.
[HTC EVO 3D] DJ1994:
So the fix I think I found ,sorry it has been so long, is if you remove the routing using the msl rout to speed up your data then YouTube magically decides it likes you again.

boom!! from my shooter
[HTC EVO 3D] crunkdaddy11:
mine does that occasionally but almost everytime i get that error 80 whatever it is and then i have to retry loading the page.
[HTC EVO 3D] DJ1994:
I never get an error number mine says disconnected from the server tap to retry

boom!! from my shooter
[HTC EVO 3D] jhuff83:
WTF. This application blows. I keep getting connection to server lost. Videos will only play over Wifi and not 3G or 4G. Has anyone figured this out?
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Hello guys,

I know this may seem obvious to others....

A lot of us have been scared about having our phones permanently S-OFF and the thought of being "caught" when it comes to warranty issues.

There really shouldnt be any risk as HTC has released numerous S-OFF devices to those lucky enough to have them. If you check, you will see that once you have flashed back to your stock ROM, that the revolutionary S-OFF has been changed to S-OFF only.

All we have to do, if even questioned, is claim we were given an S-OFF device and that we dont even know what it even means. ;-)

Just make SURE you flash back to stock ROM and remove suspicious apps like root explorer or SetCPU before sending off for warranty work.

Any comments? Thoughts?

MAtt
[HTC Sensation] ajwho:
Or you could just not commit fraud and own up to what you did if that is truly the cause of what damaged your device.
[HTC Sensation] j0e_ahm:
Thanks for the tip ;-)
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
I figured there would be a few of these posts...

Now, how many people here "truly" know what caused our phone to screw up?

Reprogramming the CPU to run at 2v and then having the CPU fry itself is one thing. Having a crappy data signal is another.

Dont even get me started on the dust under the screen issue. I intend to replace my phone in a month or two because of it. (Waiting for them to realize what they are doing wrong and fix it so I dont wind up with my 3rd phone with dust).

Matt
[HTC Sensation] ajwho:
It's pretty obvious what the cause of the problem is. If you don't know, you probably shouldn't be rooting your phone, anyway.

Getting warrantied for dust under the screen won't be affected by rooting your device. Have you ever dealt with HTC? They're pretty good about recognizing when they screwed up and when you screwed up. Whether they're good at fixing dust under the screen is something you'd be more familiar with than me ;)

You're trying to convince yourself it's okay to commit fraud. If that's what you want to do, that's fine. But don't smile and act like you don't know what you're doing. It's like that "FREE BATTERY AND BACKCOVER" thread. No, you guys are committing fraud. It's not free because you're faking a warranty claim.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Well, thats good that you know the exact cause of every thing that goes wrong with a phone, but the rest of us dont. There have been plenty of issues with these phones while STOCK, so go take your self righteous BS somewhere else.

Also, brush up on your definition of fraud...Smartypants!

Now, what HTC has done over the dust issue is straight FRAUD! They damn well know about the problem, yet deny it. A $600 phone shouldnt have problems like that.

So, S-OFF, the both of you. :-D

Matt
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
ere man go troll somewhere else, if u haven't got anything good to say keep ya stupid mouth shut... stop assuming people are committing fraud. the OP is a very good peace of mind for people.
[HTC Sensation] crazy talk:
i rooted my Nexus One way back when, got dust under the screen shortly after. had to pony up 140 dollars to have the dust issue fixed because the device had it's warranty voided because i rooted it. (it's truly a one way road when you unlock a Nexus One) i tried to argue that me rooting the device had no impact on the screen not being assembled properly and they said it "we're sorry sir, the warranty is still void"

ideally HTC should have a two tier warranty to handle rooted devices, and stock devices. but it doesn't. so you have to do whatever it takes to get back under warranty for issues obviously not caused by using custom ROM's.

btw, just curious. for IPhone 3G/3GS users back in the day that had issues with the plastic case on their phone cracking after 6-9 months, should the jailbreakers have gotten their device exchanged for free because jailbreaking obviously doesn't cause the phone to crack?
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Well, rooting and s-off are different things, right? I wouldn't send in a phone that is rooted. How would they know if they didn't give you an s-off device, that you made it that way?
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
If the phone needs to get a warranty replacement due to a fault that you have had no influence on then they should fix that issue, its simple! If the phone fails due to a defect created due to design limitations or bad manufacturing processes why the hell should a software mod have any impact... its just a way of HTC getting away with selling defective goods on a technicality.
[HTC Sensation] crazy talk:
considering how rare the S-OFF devices were i bet they have the serial number of each one tucked away somewhere. but i don't know how if they're checking every one that comes in against said theoretical database.

the issue with the Nexus one's is they got a big ol unlocked padlock on the boot image you couldn't get rid of. fortunately we don't have that issue here.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Hmmm...Perhaps then, the devs should still be considering a solid way to S-ON? I never thought about HTC having a record of the serial numbers of the S-OFF devices.

When I called Tmobile over the dust issue, they told me that I could request a new phone and pay $20.00 plus shipping. I dont know what they would do to my current phone once they receive it though. Maybe, ship it back to HTC and let HTC look for a reason to charge me?

Matt
[HTC Sensation] Mafiatounes:
For the people thinking that s off on my device that i payed for is fraud, what if i get dust under my screen? No warranty? Because s-off might have been the cause? Come on be a little bit realistic!

If you ever chiptune your car and after that you get problems with interior faults or whatever would you like it if the manufacturer tells you that you voided your warranty because of modifing the ecu?
[HTC Sensation] ajwho:
At least read before you post. No one said S-Off should void your screen warranty.

This forum is full of people constantly scheming. Look at the free backcover and battery thread. I'm not surprised my post caught the flack it did. Continue perpetuating fraud. And yes, it is fraud. Perhaps you should learn the definition.
[HTC Sensation] crazy talk:
you gonna just casually skip over my post saying yes S-OFF would technically void your entire phones warranty? this isn't a car. it doesn't have 'separate' warranties for different parts.

and yes, it's reading comprehension, Perhaps you should learn the definition.
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
to be fair, in the uk if u go to consumer direct with these issues HTC will change their mind, retail law so to speak is not set in stone or ever will be. And yes i agree that people getting a free cover and battery when they dont need it is morally wrong. But If HTC dont come good on fixing the issues the £600 phone i bought then id happily claim for every part 100 times as a lesson for leaving product testing to the customer demise...
[HTC Sensation] Ivanstein:
I would have to agree that the dust under the screen is a mechanical issue, and if HTC were being decent, they would take care of that. My question is, if you were able to get ahold of a stock RUU wouldn't that take everything back to bone stock settings? Maybe if you were to make nice with someone at a T-mo store, they would help you out with that.

In any event, the only issue I could see is if it were to be refurbished, and it couldn't be reflashed, then it would be a no go because they would be releasing an S-Off phone to the pool, and it could cause them some grief. That's the only reason I couldn't see them taking the core as an exchange. But, they could be decent and offer to fix the one you have.
[HTC Sensation] DesignDecay:
Actually his definition of fraud is correct. Yours however is not. Fraud is defined as

if you were to say brick your device by following a rooting guide then you told HTC that it shipped broken, you would be committing fraud. As you purposefully deceived them into giving you a new device or other personal gain. That said if your device does have dust under the glass and that is something covered by your warranty and not caused by you under violation of that warranty HTC has a moral obligation to replace your screen. Furthermore HTC is not committing fraud by shipping devices susceptible to getting dust underneath the glass. The reason for this being they never told you that your device cannot get dust behind your screen and if what ajwho says is true they are replacing devices with this issue. Thank you for reading and I hope that you learned something. If anything I wrote is grammatically or factually inaccurate please feel free to correct me.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Who the F*ck are you to come on here with 4 posts and call my definition wrong? Your an idiot. HTC KNOWING of a problem and TELLING us otherwise IS for personal gain you **** head! They DONT want to REPLACE a phone for free!

Furthermore, no one here ever mentioned turning in a bricked phone and claiming they got the phone that way...

S-OFF turd.

Dont you have better things to do than to come on here and stir up trouble? Go get girlfriends or something...
[HTC Sensation] johnsmith970:
Settle down ladies. This is not the place for a flame war. Take it elsewhere please.
[HTC Sensation] DesignDecay:
Okay settle down man. First things first who am I to say your definition is wrong? the guy with the actual definition. I also don't think HTC said "Hey our phones don't have this problem." Also they gave you a new phone didn't they? I was using the bricked phone as an example. I was try to demonstrate the proper use of this data vs the improper use. I don't think I was the one stirring up trouble either. I was actually trying to do the opposite. I was trying to further explain another posters ideas and how in a certain way you are in the right. How under circumstances you can use the above methods without committing fraud. I do apologize if I have caused trouble as that was clearly not my intention. Also why is swearing necessarily?
[HTC Sensation] DesignDecay:
There is a guide to getting s-on. Its here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1192300.
[HTC Sensation] DesignDecay:
I agree with you until the very end. The screen having dust under it is a valid problem and unless it is caused by something the user has done that is outside of the warranty should still be replaced. It is not fraud unless rooting the device also caused another problem to the device that HTC was not made aware of. This would be the deception that is needed to be considered fraud.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
First of all, NO ONE here mentioned any fraud except the first troll. This thread was not started to encourage fraud, at all.

Second off all, NO ONE here needs self righteous shmucks to tell them how they ought to behave. We have our parents for that.

Third, swearing is necessary to show people that one is not just pissed, but pissed OFF. There is a huge difference.

Fourth, HTC HAS denied there being ANY known issue with dust under the screen despite COUNTLESS accounts of people calling them and telling them about it. THEY KNOW DAMN WELL. I shouldnt have to pay ANYTHING to have a new phone in my hand.

Just because they didnt say that the device is dust free doesnt mean it isnt implied. It is a defect, and they warranty against defects. If they were to be free from liability on that issue, they would need to SAY SO. Dust is a defect, as I cannot see the screen as well as they would have me believe with it there....

So there you go...They commit fraud each time they pretend that YOUR complaint of dust is the first they have heard of it. They know, they intend to deceive, all for gain. (To avoid paying out for a new phone).

There has been an AWFUL lot of trolling on this forum lately, and it needs to stop. Its easy to troll online, as you arent at risk for a bloody nose.

I dont understand why people here feel the need to defend HTC. They are in it for money, make them earn it! They want to charge $600.00 for a phone, make them make it right.
[HTC Sensation] DesignDecay:
I was not attempting to say that this was to condone fraud. I was trying to explain the difference between fraud and using a warranty as it should be. I was arguing for the thread though I did want to point out the small flaw in what I thought was your point. Also what do you mean?

Now I advise we stop arguing before we both get banned for having a flame war.
[Captivate General] bulletproof1013:
Link http://www.noticeorange.com/StoryBo...RpY2VvcmFuZ2VyDQsSBFNpdGUY2pTyFww&font_size=9

Wow what will they do next?

Edit: UPDATE (another page found)

http://myona.com/2011/08/01/att-will-throttle-your-unlimited-data-plan/

by the looks of my data usage im guessing that i will be one of the few that gets throttled

anyone else?
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
I'd be all in favor of this under the following stipulations:

1. You don't go from full speed to EDGE in one shot. 25% increments or something.

2. You are given fair and ample warning at all stages and before each tier drop

3. They bring back the $30 unlimited plan
[Captivate General] bulletproof1013:
Well I'm in the 30 dollar unlimited plan.and I say no. I payed for it, and I should have it all not some of it.
[Captivate General] james.arroyo:
Mines not as bad but its definietly getting worst, esp since I started to watch netflix heavily on my phone this month and very end of last month.
[Captivate General] boborone:
Wow! You sure have changed your mind on data, power users, and unlimited. Haha welcome to the dark side.

-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
[Captivate General] RCDuke:
I think this is just AT&T wanting you to change data plans so they don't have to have unlimited stuff anymore. Just another way to gouge us with fees.
[Captivate General] bulletproof1013:
Yeah well at that rate I prolly will have to.I can't stand any slower speeds than I have now, and then they wanna make it slower...well good job att.guess you win again.I know that 30 unlimited is prolly overpriced...but then you say " hey I got unlimited so its worth it" not the case anymore.
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
This month is gonna be close (6 more days and at 1800MB). After that I'll loophole myself into unlimited and stop caring.
[Captivate General] MonoControl:
Where do you get those charts from?
[Captivate General] TheTodFather:
Hell Yeah I love having my bandwidth throttled, yes!
[Captivate General] bulletproof1013:
I wouldn't mind a throttle if it was getting throttled faster.
[Captivate General] kletiz:
I think they are doing this so we don't rape their LTE network when it's launched. Regardless it's still lame on att's part. It would also be nice if they at least gave us a ballpark of what the top 5 percent are consuming.
[Captivate General] kletiz:
Ooops!
[Captivate General] bulletproof1013:
I think I read the ballpark is anything over an average of 5 gb
[Captivate General] ryboto:
Used 5.7gb the first month I had unlimited, with 5 days left in this billing cycle, I'm up to 7.5gb! Netflixin a movie right now!
[Captivate General] Tankmetal:
Is att unlimited or "unlimited"? My first att phone was an iPhone 2nd Gen. I got grandfathered into the unlimited plan when I got my captivate.

I was not worried about it before but now I have Netflix on the go. Its starting to guzzle bandwidth.
[Captivate General] bulletproof1013:
I don't think people really understand how big of a deal this is...

For someone that only has a 2 gb its prolly not, but to the people that pay good money. And have payed good money for a long time for unlimited, it just makes me mad at att.

I understand the whole thing. Just curious is this in the new contract that we signed.
[Captivate General] boborone:
It's just TMo, it is unlimited, just slow. But when it does come, we will find a work around just like the guys on TMo have done. I'm not too worried.;)
[Captivate General] RAID Xero:
Rape that bandwidth whilst you can!
[Captivate General] boborone:
Oh I'll hit it the first couple of days.

-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
[Captivate General] richb500:
Unlimited should mean unlimited amount of data that your phone can use for it's purposes without violating TOS. It should not mean as much as it can use when serving as a modem for one or more PCs (no tethering on unlimited plans). I say this because we can argue all we want about the definition, but the reality is that wireless technology is a limited resource. We all knew that when we signed up for unlimited.

So now AT&T has a problem. Our phones are now getting capable of consuming more and more data with each new app. How can they distinguish between someone watching 20gb of movies on their phone vs. someone tethering and using 20gb on their PC? The difference does matter because the first person is completely within his contract and it's AT&Ts job to figure out how to honor the contract or terminate it without losing a customer.

I feel differently about limited plans. In that case I do believe data is data. I'm buying 2gb and I should be able to use it as I want. This analogy is like a menu item vs. an all you can eat buffet. You can eat your menu item or share it. You can't buy a buffet and share it with your family.
[Captivate General] abenn26:
Related comic not made by me.

http://imgur.com/OqWOd
[Captivate General] b-eock:
TMo throttles you after 5 Gigs
[Captivate General] newter55:
I thought I saw their new commercials say that it's 2 now.
[Captivate General] b-eock:
Ohh wow so its gone down more
[Captivate General] newter55:
Just looked it up. They have different levels at which you can be throttled depending on how much you want to pay. The savings they claim vs the competition are based on 2gb but you can pay more for 5 or 10 before you get banished to edge.
[Captivate General] MikeyMike01:
AT&T is more unlimited than T-Mobile.
[Captivate General] newter55:
Very true, plus their coverage sucks.
[Captivate General] iamtheculprit2:
For some reason, this reminds me of the infamous line from Orwell's Animal farm...

All networks are equal, but some networks are more equal than others.

*skitters off to dig up his Orwell collection*
[Captivate General] boborone:
Haha nice

-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
[Captivate General] malebornin69:
140 gigs

I think bandwidth is becoming an issue for all companys giving it to customers. Hell I got a letter from my cable provider last month telling me I had to cut back on my usage because I used 140 gigs in 3 weeks ( I told them its not my fault that netflix gives me bad ass HD) and that it uses a ton of megs per movie. I also had an issue when I moved my business from one town to another I was getting 7 megs from my DSL connection in town A and when I moved they cut me down to 3 in town B. They literaly told me they were only giving me three megs because they had to give my bandwidth to someone else because they were running out. I told them that it wasnt my issue and if they were going to cut back my speed and not tell me about it till after the fact then they should be expecting about 40 percent of my payment when the bill came due. Im not talking about a mom and pop phone company Im talking about the big V.
[Captivate General] ph00ny:
Sadly for us customers, this is going to become a big issue as we start to use more streaming services such as hulu, netflix, spotify, pandora, etc. I'm at 5.4GB ish now and i'm on my 15th day of billing cycle

You may say there are ton of wifi spots but how many open wifi spots do you actually run into on daily basis?

AT&T in general is pretty hilarious. First they tell us network will be fixed by upgrading the infrastructure but now they're saying it's not possible without tmobile merger. What's next? they need to buy sprint and verizon to accomplish this?
[Captivate General] Shammyh:
Spectrum != Backhaul.