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[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Once again, if you don't like it, you wouldn't have to use it. Apps search function takes too long, not very efficient as have been said. You want simple, than get a dumb cell that does nothing more than call/text. Smart phones are far from simple. Now MS has done a great job at trying to simplify what you do with a smartphone, but searching for apps is not simple. It is time consuming. The OP is right about the pc/cell phone comparison. I honestly don't know how anyone can be against this. It'd be virtually invisible to those who don't use it while being extremely useful to those who would.

Agreed, gotta love the double standard. This would indeed make WP7 more seamless. The quicker you get things done, the better & the better the OS will look. As I said before, if people see you suing your WP7 & you're in & out with any task you do, they'll be wondering what kind of cell you have. This sells devices & is the key to WP7's success. Word of mouth backed up with proof.
[Windows Phone 7 General] boredtoday:
i don't like folders, grids, and bajillion apps.

i like it simple, fluid, fast and integrated.

that's why i chose wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Vukile:
I remember watching a long,boring video about the upcoming apps in mango. I distinctly remember the guy talking about hubs and how you will be able to group similar apps under a single tile. Apps are easier to find and organise in groups,at least it was in wm6.5
[Windows Phone 7 General] tboy2000:
Again, if there was at the very least the option to use categories or folders for apps that would be great. Those that want to use them can. Those that would prefer a long list instead, does not need to use the option. Perfect solution. Everyone is happy. Subject closed lol :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
I have to disagree there. Searching for an app is not too long or time consuming. It is actually faster or require at least the same number of steps to find an app hidden in a folder.

In anycase I understand many of you keep saying just give the "option" to use folders. Who don't like it dont have to use it. However by that same philosophy we would have nearly all the features of the old windows mobile days hidden in a messy hierachy of menu options. Simplicitiy is lost at the cost of trying to please everybody.

The essense of wp7 OS is "Get in Get Out" stop trying to micro-manage every little detail of the phone. Just enter your details and get out of the way. Its the beauty of metro, why we love it. For some people it will obviously be never enough, but hopefully for the masses hubs, jumplists and search are quick ways of finding apps.

I think Microsoft has shown that they are thinking outside the box in terms of how to push this user interface forward and adapt to people's usage. Folders are achaic...The hub concept is great. Maybe they will expand on this. Lets see what trick they have up their sleeves :)

Again my previosu comment about using app groups still stand, but I am not too broken up if its not implemented.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I agree with this. The Windows Phone platform is, for the most part, task driven not app driven and this is hopefully something they will expand upon in the future. The hubs were an initial implementation of this (where applications could plugin to the existing hubs), bing-app integration is a next step for this.

I'm thinking they will expand on the concepts in the future until you get to your apps based on the tasks they perform, not by name or logo.

I guess we'll see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i like WP7 the way it is..... no hubs no folders.... hubs and folders will be like iOS... whats the point of difference then..
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
No hubs? Like Zune? Games? Pictures? OO
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Yeah, it's kind of ironic. Folders and groups in the pictures hub? I guess my phone is already an iPhone clone!
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
How does it take long with a folder. Let's test that;

Hub or Fold Steps

1) Press arrow or swipe right to applist

2) Tap Folder

3) Tap Icon of App

3 steps & done

Search for an app.

1) Press arrow or swipe right to applist

2) tap search

3) start typing the name (Each letter becomes it's own step/Assuming you know apps name)

4) Tap App icon from result list

4 Steps not counting spelling out the app's name to get a result & assuming you know apps name.

App Jumplist

1) Press arrow or swipe right to applist

2) Tap Letter to enter Jumplist

3) Tap Letter to jump to app (Assuming you know apps name)

4) Tap App Name

4 Steps assuming you know apps name. Otherwise you can start jumping up & down the list.

Scrolling The Applist

Not going to even bother proving this one as MS already sees this as inefficient.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Not app driven?!?!? Have you not seen the smartphone craze of late that iPhone created. Every OS has to be App driven if it's going to survive. Customers want tons of apps so they can do everything & anything on their phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
You must not understand what I'm trying to say. Obviously they are and will be apps, but it doesn't look like they want the entry point for apps to be a list or grid. They want them to plug in places depending on the task that the user is trying to perform. If it is a music or video app, it will plug into the corresponding hub. If it is a picture app, it will plug into the corresponding hub. If its an app that can be integrated into bing's new quick cards (i.e. foursquare, yelp, open table) then you'd get to them through bing, and so on.

It needs to be fleshed out some (and surely will with each update), but it really makes sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
But what you aren't understanding is that there are already tens of thousands (and eventually, hundreds of thousands) of apps in the marketplace that have nothing to do with that integrated task interface. You can't simply dismiss them as unimportant.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Scrolling The Applist

1. flick to the left

2. flick to scroll

3. click on app

3 taps

While I support the app hub that can be pinned to start,

Custom Hubs

1. Tap app hub you created

2. Tap app.

Two taps

folders in the app list do create some problems.

As the list is now, it may take more than one flick to scroll through all the apps, but you know that all the apps are listed there.

With multiple folders, you may, and I believe you will, be opening and clicking around to find where the app is.

But like I said, the custom "favorites" or whatever hubs in the start screen would be cool and mirrors what is already implemented on the phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I completely understand that it doesn't work for everything. That's why we'll still have an applist. I also completely understand that as the number of apps grow that they will need to do some stuff to help people with organization. It just isn't at the top of their list because it is not an issue for the average user yet. The average iPhone user has ~60 apps on their phone, you guys with 200+ apps are a minority. Hell, I had to add apps to my phone just so I could get the jumplist to enable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Scrolling is time consuming. Tap is always better than swipe, these gestures are overrated IMHO. It wouldn't create any problems for those who don't want it as there'd be no groups just like in the People HUB in Mango. If you want groups, you can make them, if not, don't make them. Same concept just for different area of the OS.

Also, you get me wrong, I don't care if it's folders/categories/Favorites HUB or what ever. Any kind of enhancement would be great. I prefer the Favorite HUB myself. I don't want a lot of different folders. Like you said, than you'll forget which folder you put it in. 1 dedicated Favorites HUB though would be great. Than again, if it were multiple groups, I can just choose to make just one group & name it Favorites HUB & pin it to the start menu. So in the end it wouldn't matter to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Not true, those with less than 100 apps are the minority. This includes me, most consumers are very apps hungry. If there's an app for something they could use, they'll install it.

Me, I personally look at it, "do I really need this?" I uninstall what I don't use. If a download a bunch of apps that all do the same thing, I only keep the best (IMO) & uninstall all the other apps. Most consumers are not like that. I am like that because I'm obsessive compulsive. I have the need to keep everything clean. I don't keep old texts/emails unless i absolutely need them for future reference & once I'm done with them, they're deleted.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
According to a number of sites that I checked, the average iPhone user (as of July) has 83 apps installed from the app store, in addition to the 20 pre-installed apps that come with the phone, which is up from an average of around 30 in March of last year. As the size of the marketplace grows, so does the average number of installed apps.

To me, it just makes sense to prevent a problem before it happens (when you know without a doubt that it will happen), rather than sitting back and saying "we'll address it after people start complaining".
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Lets not forget that the People HUB & Applist are basically the same thing. A list of shortcuts, one to people, one to apps. Both, after Mango, have jumplist & search functions, while the People HUB has groups. So MS already sees the need for groups in long lists. So if someone has 100+ apps & that's too many, is it too much to have 100+ contacts as well?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
It does, but resources are limited and things have to be prioritized. If they could address every problem immediately we would have had a perfect OS at 7.0.

Just remember, folders came to iOS at version 4.0 which is little over a year old. That should give you a good idea of where it fit on their priorities.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You keep focusing on folders. I don't care about folders. I want to be able to put my favorite apps in my own order, not just alphabetized. It doesn't have to be a folder mechanism. It could be as simple as the ability to create collapsible user-defined group headings that appear at the top of the app list. You want a "group", you define a name. Then you tap-and-hold an app, and "pin to group". And voila! The app appears in you user-defined group (preferably with the ability tap-and-hold the pinned app for re-ordering purposes, just the way the start screen works). For those times when you don't want to see that group, you tap the header bar, and it collapses down. If that adds too much "clutter" to the app list, then implement it as a hub, but with the same functionality (but implementing it in the app list would be my first choice). This would not exactly be rocket science for the developers at Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Unfortunately, how easy something is to due is not the primary criteria when prioritizing features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tboy2000:
Huh? Why would you be opening and clicking around? If you want to open the YouTube app, it will be in the Media folder/group. If you want to open the Kik Messenger app it will be in the Web folder/group. If you categorise your apps appropriately you will know exactly where to find your apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
Well if the youtube app was coded correctly it will be in the music+video hub :)

Really, the games hub really reduced the clutter of the app list though!

I think this thread has valid comments from both teams. Team A - Give us the option to make folders! Team B - Stop being lazy use search/jumplist/voice commands

There is no right and wrong answer yet. Mango brought lots of improvements in this regard but as usual there is room for improvement and this is only wp7.5

In the mean time, just try and enjoy the phone :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Sigh. No, "Team A" isn't saying "give us the option to make folders". I'm getting really tired of having to repeat that. All we are saying is "give us some option to organize our apps". And sorry, but "Team B's" comments to "stop being lazy" are anything but valid. This has also been explained, more times than it needed to be.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I totally agree with this. Another thing is Adobe Reader & other document type apps should fall into the office HUB with how you mention Youtube should. Granted, I believe they are integrated. When you open Zune, there's a Youtube recently played list & it'll open Youtube right from there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
if you can't find an app in a single list, am I to believe that you'll easily and readily be able to remember which hub/folder/sub folder this one of hundreds of apps might be in? As you can see from the comments above, it isn't immediately clear where some particular apps should reside. For example, is the xe.com currency converter app in the finance folder, travel folder, or the tools folder? It's been so long since I've used it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
It'd be up to you to create the hubs/folders so where it ends up is up to you, problem solved. We also never said we can't find them. We said it takes to long to find them, big difference...

Okay, I'm out of this conversation too, tired of repeating myself to people who can't read/understand what's been said, bye.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tboy2000:
There shouldn't really be a them and us. We all want the best OS possible. The solution is and I really do believe it is the solution is for Microsoft to at least introduce the 'option' to group/categorise our apps. Then, those that want to can and those that don't want to don't. Its really that simple.

When Groups was introduced in the People Hub, no one complained and I am sure some users make use of the groups option to categorize their contacts and some don't. It would be exactly the same thing for the app list which is EXACTLY the same format as the people list: long list of contacts/apps with alphabet header letters and jump list feature. Exactly the same. So it makes sense for App groups to be introduced as an option.

I am sure we all find it incredibly useful to be able to access our family group or close friends group with one tap. Again, no one complained to say it wasn't necessary and it just makes us lazy if we can't be bothered to search through a long list.

Capish? :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
I agree with the grouping functions in applist, like how MS implement in Peoples. I might not have to use it to group everythings to their respective catagories, but MS MIGHT be able to pre-configure an app group named Most Frequent / Most Used with the ability to pin it and dynamically update the apps inside with some user usage aloghim, which can let us glance the info quickly and do task quick. I think that should be 1 of the motto for WP7?

P.S. I dunno if I'm the first one that saying right swipe from homescreen to show missed notification and direct acess to related apps from those notification, but indeed I did saying this implement in WP7 is in my wishlist, something just like Nokia upcoming maemo based N9 would be a great solution for missed notification, IMHO.

Any criticism is welcome, but please do it in a good manner and constructive way. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
Why can't it be in all three? That's the beauty of Groups over Folders - one item (app, contact) can be in multiple groups.

So already in Mango, I have a few contacts who are in my Work group and also my Friends group. Opening either list under the People tile lets me find them and see their FB updates; it works great. Same could be done theoretically with hubs - "Youtube" could go in "tools" and in the music/video hub. If I have a music game, it should appear in music/videos hub AND Xbox Live hub.

This organisational ability is actually cooler than anything iOS and Android offers, and should be pushed like hell by Microsoft if they want to compete..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Vukile:
Lets not forget how much easier it was to toggle WiFi,Bluetooth or GPRS before wp7. Some components should still be available from the today page.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
im really surprised this thread isn't closed yet. I agree with all the posts I thanked within this thread. the thing about wp7 over other OSes is that alot can be done without even having to launch an app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mplant99:
Absolutely agree with this (though I am obsessive about backing up all my e-mail, save spam).

PS Absolutely agree that some form of grouping/organization option would be great for apps on WP7.
[Android Themes] stayin100:
Was just wondering if there was a way to access a bigger list of Miui themes? I have it on one of my droid x phones anhave had it on a incredible, I remember a theme with a bunch of cartoon monkeys all over it I think the gf would like I can't seem to find in theme manager
[Android Themes] jambamkin:
Not sure about the monkey theme but the biggest theme list I know is miuithemes.com.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DirtySimpleClean:
my coworker just got a gtab wifi only, ive rooted a bunch of phones before but not this device yet. which roms will i be able to flash on this device?

thanks in advance.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] x5starguerillaa:
It would seem at the moment no big devs are putting any custom roms out for the wifi only tab (GT P 1010).

There is one rom available but to my understanding its only a stock rom with some bloatware removed and extra language support. (Thread in tab development)

I myself have had the GT P 1010 for almost a month now, rooted with Z4, one click lag fixed but still running stock nastiness. I have posted up here about the possibility of getting a CWM running on our tabs, first priority for me personally, but no one seems to have any answers?

Oh and if my sig still says that its bricked, one word, ODIN. Bloody life saver.

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pvtjoker42:
I think he's referring to the Sprint Stock Gingerbread update/rom which i've heard does in fact work on the wifi only tab. There is a rooted version of it available as well. Check the Development thread and you'll find it.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] x5starguerillaa:
Really!!!!! A gingerbread rom that will work on the wifi only tab?

I was under the impression that no roms designed for the GSM tab would work on the wifi tabs? Different hardware and supposedly a different processor?

Not that I'm doubting you but where did you get your source that it will work on the wifi only tab?

TIA.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Breakable:
Be very careful. I hard-bricked mine when trying to flash gingerbread on 1010. DONT DO IT, if its not stated it works with 1010
[HTC EVO 3D] sthansen:
I have been using the new Android market for a week now and it suddenly does not respond when I open it. I just see the screen greyed out and the spinny saying it's loading. The thing is that it never loads. Has anyone else had this issue? Any advice?
[HTC EVO 3D] Addictedtothegreenguy:
It happened to me and I uninstalled it and decided to wait until they secretly push it to our phones
[HTC EVO 3D] dcfella:
I was having the same problems with the new market. Just uninstalled the updates. Too slow and too cluttered.
[HTC EVO 3D] Zoidpilot:
Agreed. It actually felt good to go back to the original... I think the update that got leaked was unfinished or not optimized for 3DEVO

Sent from my Shooter 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] hashemamireh:
Happened to me
[HTC EVO 3D] sthansen:
Well for what ever reason unknown to me, it decided to work again on it's own.

I am glad to hear I wasn't alone.

Thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] SolsticeZero:
Same thing happened to me. It would take forever to load the first page, even over wifi. Uninstalled the updates, and it works great now. The new market is pretty, but I think the old one is more functional
[HTC EVO 3D] aimbdd:
Never had this problem.. hah.
[HTC EVO 3D] housry23:
I don't like the new market. I tried it for a week, but just got a new Evo 3D and won't install it on my new one unless we are forced to take it.
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
I likethe new market but damn is slow, some apps won't update or took forever when to the old one and it works great ill just wait for google to work out the bugs and push the update instead

If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d :P
[HTC EVO 3D] ktrotter11:
New market seems smoother to me, but to each his own

Bussin Caps n 3D
[HTC Sensation] The_Green_Android_Robot:
Today, I noticed that my data was not working right, so I decided to reboot the phone. I press the restart option, the phone turns off, the screen lights up, it goes through the restart cycle, and then suddenly, after the Tmobile logo, the screen turns black while the buttons light up. the phone is charged and I have tried repeatedly, and cannot get the phone to boot up I am currently at a summer camp, and I will not be able to exchange the phone for at least a week, and I need it to communicate with my parents.
[HTC Sensation] borodin1:
Boot in recovery and factory reset your phone. Should work.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] The_Green_Android_Robot:
Thank you!!!! I was able to restore, and I am now downloading my backed-up stuff from HTC's servers. Do you think that the FOTA could have done this? Is the FOTA even being pushed by TMO yet?
[HTC Sensation] borodin1:
Hard to say. Could be a bad app or some corrupted file that just happened to be there.... it's all good now, I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens again.

Good luck.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ramonisawesome:
This is my first thread here on XDA so might as well make it a good one!!

Well this friday- 7/29/2011- i will be making my way back home to california from michigan and im driving there!! so i wanted to know how many of you were interested in seeing the different speeds in many cities throughout the US. I will be using the speedtest.net app on my CM7 Rom on my HD2 to find out the speeds in several cities and states. Please leave your thoughts below and ill make sure to post the speeds up as soon as i get to california :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] LaneyEFC:
This might of actually come in handy for those living in US "IF" HD2 actually had 4G network :S
[HTC Inspire 4G] MaliciousBanjo:
I've done some poking around here for an answer for about a week, and I can't seem to find anything.

When I put my phone into the manual recovery (Volume Down+Power Button), the phone instantly goes to Hboot and starts loading my goldcard. From there, I can either Re install the root update or do nothing and reboot my phone. It won't let me scroll down to recovery or any of the other things.

Now its not a major problem, I have ROM Manager with clockworkmod. But for certain ROMs they say to install them manually, which I can't do. And just the fact that I want to know why my phone won't let me do it.

Any ideas? Suggestions? Much appreciated.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Wolf:
Only one PD98IMG file on your sd card at a time, and when you are finished flashing it in Hboot then delete it. Otherwise you will be stuck like you are when you enter Hboot.
[HTC Inspire 4G] kgn1224:
Try turning off, pulling sd card and then powering up with volume down pushed. It worked for me.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] datagubben:
Please help Me find Swedish generic 181 ftf or a branded 3 rom 181/184 from Sweden and is also 2.3.2 version. (Because Generic UK/World 2.3.2 used for Root and update via OTA to 2.3.3 is with very bad reception, when using 3 as telephony supplier in my country).

You are kind forum members amd maybe you can help?

Sent from my LT15i
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] datagubben:
I found a Nordic 2.3.2 with good baseband at wontanserver and flashed it, did root with Gingerbreak but now I cant do OTA (no network or something like that). :mad::mad: