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[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
3GB?!?! Seriously, they want to hassle people for using 3GB??? They sell a 4GB tier plan, and they want to argue that "Unlimited" should be less than a sold tier??? Things are about to get REAL interesting

It's times like these I'm glad I'm only running a non-subsidized world phone that AT&T had no hand in. No contract whatsoever. So if I get a message next month saying "Sorry, you've gone just over our lowest 2gb tier on our BS unlimited plan" I'll certainly be calling to tell them to go to hell.

I'm sure I sound a little nuts, but I'm seriously thinking "How awesome would it be if we got 20 people from major cities to chuck flaming bags of feces tied to bricks into AT&T retail locations". I don't even care if I'd get caught, I just think it'd be so amazing to see on the news someone taking a stance against these companies (Oct 1st to coincide with the throttling plans) that are trying to rape their customers in times of economic downturn where competition is in a bad position to compete.
[Atrix 4G General] voltmeter101:
lol i cant even get them to fix the tower by my house been 3 weeks still no internet on my phone, but imagine, i still got my 167 dollar bill in the mail some 35 611 calls later and a case number tower not fixed, seems like i should be able to get out of my contract
[Atrix 4G General] klub242:
Problem solved: I switched to Sprint and got their Galaxy S 2. My friend and I both ditched ATT for a family plan, and his work gets him a 25% discount :D

...Their 4G is so unreliable though and 3G is God-awful slow. Meh.
[Atrix 4G General] Simba501:
Might be right behind you. What kind of 3G speeds are we talking about?
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Lucky... Wouldn't choose the S2, but still lucky. I'm fed up with AT&T's policies. Sprint is a no-go for me. No service anywhere around me. It's either AT&T, MetroPCS, or Verizon. None of which I like. Plus, AT&T and T-Mobile are the only GSM carriers around.

I've been with AT&T for a long time now. It just seems like they've gotten too greedy. We need some sort of XDA Network or something. :p
[Atrix 4G General] klub242:
Pretty awful compared to ATT. Their 4G here in Seattle is faster than what ATT has though at least.
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Actually, I just switched FROM sprint to AT&T (like a few weeks before the throttling news came out...yea, guess how I feel) so I could buy the international unlocked i9100 and finally have a world phone with awesome dev community...

Now here I am (although no contract thank GOD). I will say this though, Sprint's 3g data speeds are atrocious, and the 4g is almost useless. The sad thing is, they used to be the BEST. I'm talking back in the Mogul and touch pro days. I've had it since the beginning. Back then 1200kbps on a phone was literally mind blowingly fast. Sad thing is they've never increased the backhaul to 99% of their towers to anything more than a T1 (1.5mbps, minus 300k for control and voice). And their 4g is a joke. The speeds are decent, but it can barely penetrate a plastic tent, so if you work outside its great but otherwise, useless.

It's funny, I worked as an AV tech for the Sprint GS2 training event and they had to bring in wifi APs because 4g was non-existant (this is in chicago) and the 3g was so terrible it was useless, even before anyone turned their phones on. On top of that, I took the plunge with Clearwire for a little while as my home internet and needless to say, not only did I get throttled after a few days down to 512kbps, but I had to threaten a BBB complaint just to cancel my NO CONTRACT, prepaid month-to-month service, which put a bad taste in my mouth given that they're basically a Sprint subsidiary.

Its such a sad state this country's wireless industry is in. I have delt with sub-par, seemingly duct-taped together CDMA devices for too long to go back. Even Android itself is designed FOR gsm, and is basically "hacked" to work with CDMA. T-mo isn't really an option for the unlocked phones, and to that end they're almost no better than CDMA as world phones won't get 3g data on their service. We will have to see just how bad the throttling is, but right now, I'm planning on looking into these guys as soon as I hit throttling on AT&T next month:

https://www.h2owirelessnow.com/

Admittedly, I have no experience with them YET, however they do use AT&T's network (850/1900) and they actually have instructions on their site on how to jailbreak your iphone for use on their network, which I find thoroughly badass :) They do claim an "unlimited data" option for $60 w/ voice&sms, but I'm not sure how unlimited* it really is

*unlimited is not unlimited
[Atrix 4G General] klub242:
I actually have 4G indoors in the few places I've been (work, home, and the Sprint store) and getting good speeds too -- around 6 mbps average and consistently near that. Living in Seattla area has benefits I suppose. I have noticed what device you have makes a huge difference. I had the Evo 3D and returned it for this Galaxy S II and get an extra bar of 4G it seems like.
[Atrix 4G General] erraz:
I read on a forum that h2o wireless throttles after 1gig
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
:(

Of course they do, thus my asterisk. I vote websters change the definition of unlimited to mean: a marketing ploy to make consumers believe they are getting more than they actually are
[Atrix 4G General] klub242:
I find it EXTREMELY frustrating that our phones are designed to use more and more data but we're being shoved into smaller plans with almost no choice. Spring is literally the only carrier, big or small, where I live that I know of to give truly unlimited data.

I just hope and pray that we're on the downside of growth pains that will be fixed in the years to come.
[Atrix 4G General] Unkkut:
And the generation before you walked to school...

Its all relative...
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Thank you. Just because others haven't yet discovered/subscribed to awesome vod services doesn't mean we should change our ways. If anything we're the only people somewhat keeping carriers in check with demand. If we didn't make such a stink, believe me youd have even lower caps and tiers. We may not get all we want but at least maybe we'll end up somewhere in between.

Btw,a coworker showed me his new bionic with 31m down 6.5 up. On a 2gb tier :( they HAVE capacity. Like I said before these guys own most major internet and other data lines all over this country. Lte costs less per bit yet they charge us more. I for one have no interest in lte if its limited.

I really hope this mobile industry levels off soon from people not wanting to purchase for fear of loading unlimited. Maybe then, when people are coming up on being off contract will they rethink unlimited data. I've been pulling down 1.2mbps since the days of the ppc6800 (2007) don't tell me 4 years later you have to throttle me down to 40k, I can't understand that knowing what I know about networking...
[Atrix 4G General] klub242:
Are you... serious? This makes me want to cry. I wish Sprint was anything like that. Or AT&T, because then I wouldn't have left. Wow.
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Yes. we all passed it around in disbelief. another guy with a thunderbolt was so disappointed with his meager 16 down. But there's no capacity, thus the tiered data *bangs head against wall*
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Ok, so for the past month or so I've been, AT NIGHT on an uncongested tower at a set speed of 100KB/s (800kbps) raising my data usage to find out as an informed consumer a) where the line is and b) how severe the throttling is. I've taken steps above to ensure I don't kill real customers bandwidth during this experiment. Last month I got the message starting id be throttled next month at 11gb, used 23 total.

This month I'm currently at 8.7 with no issues yet. If this isn't a glitch or late launch, things don't appear to be too bad. We shall see...

I'm hoping for a verizon type deal where they throttle, but only on congested towers (which I believe is totally reasonable, given reasonable throttled speeds of at least 256kbps)
[Atrix 4G General] xfinrodx:
Excellent. Do post your results! Also, consider leaving your connection running as much as possible while throttled to see whether throttling is their answer- or just their first step.

If you get up around the usage you had last month and they don't say anything, super. If you get up there and they serve you an additional "cease and desist" notice or something... That would be valuable to know about.
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Will do. Not worried about them cutting me off. No contact, and I hate them. Glad to hear sprint is going lte as I'll probably go back to them if this becomes an issue. Always have h2o wireless as an interim provider on 850/1900...

I also want to try different apns once throttled. Stay tuned...
[Atrix 4G General] Simba501:
I'm excited to hear as well. I love seeing things like this :).
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
14gb and still no throttling on uncongested (chicago suburbs) towers. Will keep you posted, but I'm hoping for a verizon type situation where they only throttle on congested towers which, in downtown chicago, keep you pretty well throttled due to lack of capacity always...
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Ok, I'm ending this experiment at least for this month, as I feel to go further would be a bit excessive and ridiculous. At 24GB for the month (or half a month), I see no throttling yet. This to me is just fine. I will double check next month to see if it is just a grace period but so far so good. If things stay this way I'll have to stop bashing att :)
[Atrix 4G General] xfinrodx:
Thank you very much for sharing your experience. If they leave you alone, it should be clear that as much as AT&T is harping on data caps- excessive, ongoing usage like full-pipe torrents and 12+hr/day HD video streaming is more where their internal concerns lie. This is in line with what reality should be rather than arbitrary total data caps.

I'd be good with a sliding throttle cap, where constant draw users are slowed down on a daily basis. Something where if you exceed 150MB in a 12 hour period, you are slowed 20% until your usage trend places you back below 150MB/12hr. (this would reflect a 12 hour/day usage (typical customer I'd guess), 5GB/month max to avoid throttling altogether) If you exceed 300MB/12hr, you are slowed 50%. (reflecting a 12 hour day effective usage cap of about 10GB/month) Perhaps there would be more intermediary steps, but it seems to me that something like this would be better received by the community than a hard cap. Perhaps a higher rate plan would raise your capping thresholds. This just makes so much sense to me that it hurts.

Anyway, enough pie in the sky. If they notify you of excessive usage I'd be terribly interested in your continued disclosure, and thank you again!
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
I do not like that daily cap idea. At 150/12hrs, that's nothing. 1 or 2 ROM downloads and you'd be throttled.

Like I said before I hope they throttle like VZW, more like QOS. That is, if you're a heavy user on a CONGESTED tower then you will be given lowest priority until bandwidth becomes available, but never will they throttle if backhaul bandwidth and spectrum are available. And even then it isn't artificially made worse than necessary (throttling from 3000 down to 56kbps makes NO sense other than to be cruel, throttling to maybe 400-600 seems more likely). Also I believe being dumped to edge would consume MORE spectrum due to inefficiencies and lower signaling rates than being on 3g, depending on whether they actually would dump you to edge vs just throttling you to those speeds...

Will keep you guys posted next month!
[Atrix 4G General] xfinrodx:
My numbers were arbitrary. The worst tier I suggested would still only put a 3000 line down to 1500, temporarily. I'd love your scheme far more, but unfortunately... not even Comcast, time Warner, Verizon or Cox are that nice. Every other ISP pretty much offers speed tiers. I was essentially suggesting a line with unlimited usage, and a "speed boost" like Comcast for the first X amount of data in Y amount of time.

I don't like any limits, but some feel more workable than others. (I.e., NOT a 2GB hard cap) It would be so nice to have just total network capacity limited use, and probably the most fair to the consumer... I would like to ride a space ship to school as well ;-)
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
I don't know what school you go to but I wouldn't want to be trapped on a confined space with my stinky classmates :P
[Atrix 4G General] highlanderx:
The problem with the way they are calculating it is that:

1) its arbitrary

2) each month the cap will be at a lower amount as users begin to get capped and lower the consumption each month that will bring the throttling lower with a snowball effect. Pretty soon we will see "unlimited" plans being capped at 1.5gb or less.
[Atrix 4G General] Nophix:
When I first signed up, it was explained to me that there was a 5gb soft cap, after which I could be throttled. It was even in the TOS on the contract. I just tripped again, and I'm pretty sure its still there, same wording. I'll check.

However, that means if they throttle below that, they are in breach of contract. I wonder if there are legal ramifications.

So far I haven't received a message yet and I'm regularly between 5 and 6gb per month. But, I'm not in a densely populated area either.
[Atrix 4G General] aszrael1266:
I just got an email and text message from them saying I am a top 5% data user. This is total BS. I have the unlimited data plan I checked my account online and today is the last day of my billing cycle and I am at 2.21 gigs of data. How am I a top 5% user when I just went over 2 gigs of data. I called att and the person on the phone just kept saying the same thing. They show I am a top 5%er and I need to use wifi more :mad:
[Atrix 4G General] BPinard:
When my contract is over I will be switching to Sprint for the unlimited data. Folks like you and me need to vote with our wallets.
[Atrix 4G General] johnsoto85:
Capped

Just got capped first time ever at around 20 gigs. I have averaged 30 to 60 gigs a month for almost a year now as this being my only internet connection and no wifi or cable tv. The fact that the cap makes Netflix useless bothers me though because Netflix can surprisingly run on very low speeds, but not this low. I also only use it between 10pm and 2am when off work.. Now i have no entertainment and all of a sudden Sprints looking pretty.

Its upsetting though because now ATT will define what the top 5% is with capping. If it wasnt capped then the amount would be higher and with time will get lower and lower. Also why throttle during non peek hours? Im sure it hurts no one, most people are sleeping when im using my data.
[Atrix 4G General] Maroon Mushroom:
Someone finally caught on to the snowball effect. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] odinfire:
Never bought an apple product, never will. They are leading the industry into the paid app direction, which realistically is only the same thing as buying a program for a pc, it's just designed to work on a specific device. I truly believe PC's should be open to public developing and not have some arbitrary committee deciding what is to be published and what should not be. No windows 8 for me. Android as kinda sucked me in, but that's why we have developers here on our side.:)

---------- Post added at 10:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:34 PM ----------

I should say I have no problem paying for apps or programs, I just don't like the idea of the censorship behind these "market" concepts.
[Atrix 4G General] JohnnyDanger:
Whats the lowest amount of data usage anyone has been throttled for?

I ask because my cousin forwarded me a message he got from AT&T on his iphone lastnight saying his was in the top 5%. I asked him to check his data usage and he had only used 2.1gb of data on an unlimited plan. Now thats crazy to throttle for that amount of data usage.
[Atrix 4G General] randomblame:
Wtf I just got this message too I hate at&t with every fiber of my being are they just sending this out to everyone on an unlimited plan now?
[Atrix 4G General] begadkepat:
September: 7.3 GB, October 3.7 GB, November 2.9 GB, and December 3.3 GB.

I got a tethering notice in September -- oddly enough, only when I used my Kindle Wi-Fi to download a book, and not when I was using my phone essentially as my home internet connection (and yes, that only amounted to 7.3 GB, I don't know what some of you are possibly doing).

I haven't received any sort of throttling notice (or decrease in speed), despite being consistently >2 GB (including this month, where I stand at 2.03 GB).
[Atrix 4G General] efishta:
Yep, happened to me as well. I'm at 2.05 gb with 10 days left on my billing cycle, and they warned me that I was in the top 5% of users. I live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area in Texas.

What a load of ****.
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
So, has anyone actually been throttled? I mean, I use quite a bit of data (10-20gb/month) and I did GET the message at one point, waited about a month, never got throttled (and never changed my habits). 2 things I will mention, after that month of waiting to BE throttled, I upgraded to the Unlimited LTE plan. Also, I am not (nor have I ever been) in a contract with ATT. One other thing, I live 5 minutes from O'Hare airport, but not close enough to Chicago to be subject to the MASSIVE congestion and absolutely worthless data service (though when I go down there for work, it is mostly unusable)

So the question, does having an LTE plan excuse you from throttling? Or does being out of a contract excuse you from tethering because they know you can leave any time?

If it is the LTE, please note that you can actually have an LTE plan with a non-LTE phone by calling in an LTE device's IMEI and asking to upgrade to the correct unlimited plan ;)

EDIT: Now that I think about it, it may very well be the LTE plan. 2 Things of note. One is the fact that (possibly because I'm not currently using my LTE phone on that particular line) their data counter ONLY counts LTE data despite the device using both LTE and/or HSPA+. The other is the fact that after changing plans to the LTE unlimited plan, under usage it lists (0 out of 10238976MB). Maybe because the plan isn't TECHNICALLY unlimited (at least to a computer) it doesn't apply the throttling rules?

2nd EDIT: Whoops, just after posting the whole 10238976MB thing I noticed when I log into ATT OLAM now, it does actually say Unlimited. This may have been some kind of a visual system patch via the web interface, and it still may have that number in ATT's system somewhere. Why this may be good is if it does say 10238976instead of unlimited, the system may not apply throttling rules, as it is not TECHNICALLY unlimited.
[Atrix 4G General] Simba501:
I've been throttled, and I got the warning again for this billing cycle. If you visit the Skyrocket Galaxy SII forums, you'll see a bunch of those users have been as well.
[Atrix 4G General] Djordjije:
I just got one of those damn emails too! I barely crossed over 2.0GB. They say that this is the top 5% category for my given area. I'm pretty sure they are doing this regardless of where you live. Class action lawsuit?
[Atrix 4G General] Nebbeh:
I've been throttled @ 1.7 gigs 3 weeks into my cycle. This has happened 3 months in a row. Slows down from 2-3megs/s to 125k/s
[Atrix 4G General] moehagene:
I got the message at 5 gigs. Change your apn and bypass the throttle.
[Atrix 4G General] gammite:
Guidance?????
[Atrix 4G General] Djordjije:
I am sorry for the guy that got throttled after 1.7GB.

AT&T probably won't consider this a breach of contract because they still provide us unlimited access, however at a very reduced speed. They never promised us 4G speed.

However throttling down speeds was never part of the contract either. Looks like it doesn't matter where in the country you are or if your in the top 5% or not. If you are over 2GB they will send u a warning.

If you do get throttled, I'd say you keep downloading or passing data on your phone as much as you can, at least 10GB per month to screw them lol. This should be done at a mass scale.
[Atrix 4G General] moehagene:
There was an apn in the skyrocket thread about it. I used an apn from there. I'm at work right now. If I find it I will post it. If not later when I get home I will jump on the computer and find it
[Atrix 4G General] Alcapone263:
As a reference, I have unlimited data from at&t, and use about 7-10 gigs a month streaming pandora all day at work, five days a week. Never been throttled, or flagged for tethering or anything of the sorts.
[Atrix 4G General] dratsablive:
I am consistently above 2g/month, sometimes over 5g. I rarely tether, mostly streaming C-SPAN Washington Journal in the mornings. And uploading pictures. I have yet to receive a notice about my data usage.
[Atrix 4G General] Inspiredwire:
The throttling for unlimited users is not set to a specific number (i.e. 2Gb). It's based on the top 5% of users within your particular geographic market.

In other words, you may live in Podunk, PA and only use 1Gb of data, but if that puts you in the top 5% for Podunk, you're getting throttled.

In NYC, it may take 5Gb to get into the top 5%. You get the picture.
[Atrix 4G General] Djordjije:
That's what I would like to believe, however there have been other posts not only in XDA, but outside recently with people getting the warning right after 2GB, and they all live in different areas of the country. So that makes me a little suspicious. And are they also sending these warnings to people in the tiered plans or just with the unlimited plans? Cuz that would not be fair.
[Atrix 4G General] moehagene:
These warnings are just for unlimited users to my knowledge.
[Atrix 4G General] sagerox:
They just started throttling me this week. I'm getting really pissed. Any one know the apn to use? I'm in Chicago by the way and use about 6gb on average.
[Atrix 4G General] moehagene:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1342111

I use the apn from this thread and have no problems
[Atrix 4G General] cave.:
No kidding. I get a warning almost immediately after the billing cycle starts over. There's no way I'm in the top 5% by then. Such bullcrap. I get a text linking me to other AT&T plans that cost more money. I wonder how much of it is actually legitimate.
[Atrix 4G General] sagerox:
Is anyone using a different apn and having good results? If so, post the apn please.
[Atrix 4G General] ifalldownalot:
dude. seriously. read.

there's a link two posts above than is provided.

click a little. read a little. it'll do your brain some good.
[Atrix 4G General] moehagene:
This is why Devs get aggrivate. Its not hard to read a thread or search similar threads for an answer. With a little common sense i went to the first place i would expect throttled users to be with ATT. . An LTE phone. There i found a couple differnt APNs that work. You could even google "how to bye pass ATT throttling" and would find many solid answers.
[Atrix 4G General] Chrisf244:
A little bit off topic. Its not like this same thing isn't going to happen on sprint. I had a conversation with a market manager who seemed to imply sprint wouldn't be keeping unlimited data for too long.
[Atrix 4G General] ifalldownalot:
man wins case against AT&T for throttling

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1515705
[HTC EVO 3D] bo5ibbs:
I achieved s-off and have cmr and su, I tried to flash a new rom but recieved some error. I then tried to reboot and my phone was bootlooping. Then I restored my backup that I made right after root and su is gone. How did my phone unroot itself? help plz
[HTC EVO 3D] MikeC84:
There aren't even any roms to flash yet??:confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] anon20:
Flash SU the same way you did the first time.
[HTC EVO 3D] bo5ibbs:
I did and it wouldnt stop bootlooping...I waited for a while and were good lol
[HTC EVO 3D] fedge1234:
hey i flashed the twrp and i want clockwork back.. any ideas ? im just used to clockwork.. but i couldn't resist seeing what teamwin had going... anyone? didn't know it wouldn't be easy to get it back... do i have to re-revolutionary just for clockwork?