yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
I am not defending anyone, just saying this to throw it out there. Of course they want you to upgrade. Which is why they lock the bootloads, then force you to do it yourself. Just like rebates for example. They don't want you to use them. Majority doesn't and that makes them happy. Us that like to root and modify our android phones are at like 10% of all of android. Just because we do this to our phones doesn't mean HTCs locking doesn't trick anyone else. Just saying.
[EVO 4G Android Development] buckhunter:
+100 on that
[EVO 4G Android Development] Rocklee99:
thats true...
[EVO 4G Android Development] jyarborough:
I agree with this reason.. its all about control.. on HTC and all other phone providers.. but this is Android.. and it is open source.. this give us the option to do what we will with OUR PAID FOR phones. Me personally if I could not afford to buy any phone that I wanted at any time,, I would not be taking all these risk to achieve maximum user performance.. its my phone and I use it how I c fit.. this is why I will never ever own an apple phone..

study to show thyself approved, a worksman that need not be ashamed to rightly divide truth
[EVO 4G Android Development] JD2589:
That's exactly the point I was trying to put out. HTC does it for control, So that they can keep on making newer better models thus make more profit. Now as to why their showing you how to unlock the bootloader on their website, I think that they were forced to by customer demand. Simply that; its what the customers wanted so they did it. And once you think about it, It makes HTC pretty darn awesome. You think Apple would ever show you how to unlock/jailbreak your phone? Never!
[EVO 4G Android Development] sheeksta:
Yay or Nay

An obvious repeat... SBC?

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OMG why was voice phone recording removed.. NOOOOOOOOOO!
[EVO 4G Android Development] barnacles10:
This unlock method isn't the same root you get when you use alt. exploits though, sadly.

Interesting read from the HTC forums from a 3D user: http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/138/p/13285/55974.aspx
[EVO 4G Android Development] jyarborough:
I am a power user,, so i need every bit of my battery.... I will support sbc until it causes problems for me... You should at least try it out for a month.. even if you go back to a froyo based Rom and use one of netarchy sbc kernels, witch are very well made,, and see if you don't enjoy having that extra 45 mins to an hour life to your phone

study to show thyself approved, a worksman that need not be ashamed to rightly divide truth
[EVO 4G Android Development] JD2589:
Okay, I'll wait for lithid to release the SBC kernel, and I'll try it for a while, Worst case I'll have to buy a new battery highly doubt it though.

I do have to say I'm very pleased with my current battery life, I keep my screen at 50%, I turn off mobile networks whenever not in use, and I have aggresive freedom kernel.
[EVO 4G Android Development] JerryGNYC:
I used an SBC kernel when running gingerbread-evo-deck 1.2.x (AOSP). I had no problems.

Key thing to remember when you've just flashed an SBC kernel is to monitor battery temperature while charging (near and at 100%) while you are awake, not overnight (or whenever you sleep :rolleyes:) Made sure my phone/battery didn't get hot sitting on the charger at 100% for an hour or two...
[EVO 4G Android Development] Alpine-:
Maybe you can release and SBC and non-SBC version since it seems to be an issue for some.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
That's the plan
[EVO 4G Android Development] stolirocks:
Sbc is made by Democrats to control your mind
[EVO 4G Android Development] chessmyantidrug:
I miss SBC a lot. I have thought about going back to a Froyo ROM many times just for SBC. Then I bought one of those GaliliO batteries off eBay. I took it off the charger before I went to sleep yesterday around 5:30 AM. My phone died a few hours ago, around 12:50 AM.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Alpine-:
My kernel / ROM setup has been running rock solid since Freedom .8.5 (Aggressive). I have Synergy RLS1 on here. I upgraded to .9 Aggressive as soon as it was out and continued to see no signs of instability at all - ever.

Within the last week, I have noticed TWICE now that I will look over at my phone and all of a sudden it's in a boot loop. It reset itself and then it loads the Synergy Boot Screen, when it completes, it just starts the Synergy Boot Screen over again. This continues until I pull the battery. Once powered on again, it works fine. I have no idea what is suddenly causing this but I think it may be app related as the only change has been new apps installed.

Recent installations/upgrades include:

ChromeMarksLite (installed)

Google Books (updated)

TV Guide Mobile (updated)

Netflix Queue Manager (updated)

Abobe Flash Player Settings (installed)

Easy Tether Pro (updated)

Wifi Manager (updated)

Flashlight (updated)

Gmail (updated)

Swiftkey X (updated)

GENPlusDroid (updated)

Firefox (updated)

Oddly enough, it seems to happen when the phone is in sleep and/or screen off. It's never happened in use. It just slips into the boot cycle after its been sitting here on the desk. Only happened twice but it was within a weeks time and I NEVER noticed it before.

Misc. notes:

app compatibility mode disabled

Sprint Lovers Task/TitleBar theme MOD

No SetCPU - no OC'ing at all.

Any way to check a crash log or anything to to get meaningful info?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Wisiwyg:
When I first tried out SBC, I too was concerned about all the bad press. So I picked up a $8 battery off Ebay so that if it fried, I wouldn't loose much. Note I kept it close at hand for the first day to ensure SBC wasn't doing anything odd. The aftermarket battery looked/performs just like my OE battery - probably a "4th Shift" run. I've been using the same battery now for almost a year, through SBC kernels and beyond. I haven't had a single issue. Plus, now I have an OE battery if I need to go back.

I'm looking forward to Lithid's SBC kernels.

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Are you running setCPU? If so, what's your lower setting? You may want to bump it up a tad. My setup is working great with 245/768 interactiveX, Aggressive 0.9.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Alpine-:
No SetCPU, no OC'ing at all. I really dont feel like its ROM/kernel related. Seems like a setting or app I installed within the last few weeks may have triggered this because I never saw it in the prior months before.
[EVO 4G Android Development] nbakid2000:
I'm confused on the various versions of the kernels.

I want one that will give me the best battery life, but I'm seeing a ton of variants like "Less", "More", "Stock", "Aggressive" and then like 3 different versions of each type.

Which one should I get? What are the differences? I'm going to install the Swagged Out ROM on a recommendation. I'm going after battery life here.

Thanks.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
I think you should check out post #1 & #2. Might give you some ideas as to the issues your having with an explanation.
[EVO 4G Android Development] nbakid2000:
I did this originally, but I'm not a programmer and I don't read code so almost all of that was foreign to me. That's why I asked someone to explain to me in normal English what the differences were and which one I should get.

From what I can gather, this one:

Aggressive Freedom

5c1e5402e27557f2cacf6f912a5f6 Aggressive-Freedom-v0.9-SYNERGY_GODMODE-signed.zip

08c344579d5879bd8519e64d7bbbdd7f Aggressive-Freedom-v0.9-SYN_NIGHTLY-signed.zip

13d02b8873c0d8bf2ff3d5d07c191c7d Aggressive-Freedom-v0.9-UNIVERSAL-signed.zip

is the most undervolted or whatever, for the longest battery life. Is that correct? -175 is lower than say the top ones that have higher numbers?

If so, which .zip file should I download? What are the differences?
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Here is a list of each version.

-F | Build Stock Freedom
-L | Build Less Freedom -75mv
-M | Build More Freedom -125mv
-A | Build Aggresive Freedom -175mv

As for the 3 types in each version. Do you know what synergy godmode is? If no, then you don't have it installed, move to the next one. Do you know what synergy nightly is? If no, then you don't have it installed, move to the next one. Do you have universal installed? If you said no to the other two and your reading this, then I would have to say. Yes.
[EVO 4G Android Development] nbakid2000:
There's no need for an attitude and you've succeeded in not explaining anything.

I didn't know what anything you just said was, so I guess I'll just go with the Aggressive (just like your attitude towards me) Freedom -175mv, Universal since that sounds all encompassing and it sounds like you're saying the other two deal with stuff I don't recognize.

Thanks for (pretty much) nothing.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
umadbro?

Read up on your phone alittle bit more, I can't help you until you help yourself.
[EVO 4G Android Development] wfrandy:
Same thing is happening to me. The only difference is that I am running Swagged out rom (swag off), and less aggressive undervolt kernel. I have actually tried the Chop Suey kernel too and get the same thing. First time it happened it was on charge in the middle of the night, since then it just does it randomly, once when viewing a video, once when just swiping the home screen. I have had this phone since release day (002 hardware) and never had the problem up through Fresh 4.2 with Netarchy's kernels. The problem started when I changed to my current setup. It has happened three or four times now in a two week period. Weird.
[EVO 4G Android Development] nbakid2000:
As the developer, you should realize that not everyone is a tech geek and some of us just want basic answers. I wouldn't even know to read up on the stuff you mentioned because I have no idea what you were talking about. I've never heard of it before. So to say, "read up on your phone" is vague, unhelpful, and unrealistic.

If I treated my customers the way you just treated me, I'd be out of a job.

All you had to do was say, "X kernel is the longest lasting, and X kernels are for xyz users. If you haven't done anything with those, then X kernel will be great for you to try."

Instead, I get treated like sh*t by an *sshole developer who lacks social graces. Nice.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Wisiwyg:
Actually, I thought the explanations were pretty straightforward.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
I like your comparison. Tho I am the developer, your not paying me ****. Neither is anyone else. This is something I do in my spare time. I share what I have done on this forum. I am not obligated to hold your hand in anyway. What you call being treated like **** is what I call a rude awakening. If you don't know this, you shouldn't flash this. How much do you want to bet that at one point I didn't know what this was? That I didn't understand this stuff. You think I was just born understanding android? I don't think you understand the point of these forums. This isn't an iphone forum. You are expected to learn about your phone.

Here is a link to help you get started. Should I expect a fee for me helping you? I wonder what would happen if you flashed whatever and something went wrong.

and I am the asshole....

http://tinyurl.com/3fqmmzd

Edit number 1, care for anymore?
[EVO 4G Android Development] edboston:
If you don't know the basics enough to understand what was explained to you, you have no business rooting a phone. Rooting requires some basic knowledge by the user. If you would do some research on the threads dealing with rooting and kernels, you would understand that what works for one person doesn't always work for another.

And calling the person names who provided these alternatives to you for free shows who the real person is who is lacking social graces.
[EVO 4G Android Development] tang12:
+1 for the stab at iPhone users lol. Assholes who feel obligated to a 'service' are the best aren't they ?

sent from OG evo w/ synergy rls1
[EVO 4G Android Development] nbakid2000:
This coming from the person who has a "Donate to Me" link proudly advertised.

Here's how life in this situation works: You put something out there for free, and ask your customers if they like it, to donate to you for all the hard work you've put in and the pleasure they've received from your hard work.

I haven't "paid" you (donated) because I haven't used your product yet. If I DID use your product and liked it, I would have probably donated to you, as I have other developers who created ROMs I like. Why are you so sure I wouldn't pay you?

Why are people not paying you for all the hard work you put in? You come across as bitter because of that fact.

Good for you, I'm sure all of us here appreciate your hard work (me included).

It doesn't give you license to be an @sshole and treat people who came to your thread to try out your hard work like sh*t.

Yes, you do, and it demonstrates a complete lack of social graces and utter lack of appreciation for the people who come to try out your projects.

Ironic you say I don't understand the point of the forums....as I'm asking what these things are and what they mean....on the forums...devoted to helping people understand issues.

I wouldn't know anything about iPhone forums, since I'm not an Apple user.

I wouldn't really classify anything you told me as particularly "about the phone", it's more along the lines of like coding and different types of software, etc. But I'll let you slide with that one because I'm such a nice guy. Point taken. Learn about the software, etc. Got it.

You didn't really help me, so no fee/donation is necessary.

Well, I'd be SOL and have to figure out a way to put the phone back to rights, wouldn't I?

Remember, according to your own disclaimer, "We are not responsible for any damage you do to your phone, or anything that results after using our software."

What an odd question to muse over.

So now the people who come to your thread to try out your software and have a question to ask are now "assholes."

Very classy, dude.

Challenging me? Like I said, full of class.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Your bored, I get it.

Sadly, I kinda don't really care. Here is how it goes. I gave you the details about the kernel. They are located in posts 1 and 2. Now if you don't understand those details like the other few thousand that have downloaded the kernel, then you should head over to Q&A or general to ask questions or gather needed forum information. This is the development section pertaining to the development of this kernel. Not the development of your knowledge of the this kernel. I have before and presently active myself in those other forum channels. This tho isn't where you do that. So please read up, and come back if you have an questions or concerns.

Thanks!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Wisiwyg:
Actually, you just 'classed' all over yourself, actually.

God, I love the "Ignore" feature...
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
So do I but this one is fun.
[EVO 4G Android Development] flex360:
im not trolling

i did get a random reboot
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Look through your logs, find the cause. Then ill help.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Active_Matrix:
I am running v02 on SynergyRC2+GMode with out any problems, and OC'd! Iam also on HW0004, for those that say it does not work!
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowrider32119:
Is anyone experiencing lag with video on 720p. Also video and audio are out of sync.

Synergy rc2+gmode

Hardware 003

I tried to hold it different.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
Damn holding it different usually fixes it. You did the gorilla grip too? I'll play some hd vids here in a min and let you know what I find... Have a logcat?
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowrider32119:
Ill get a logcat when i get home. Just want to see if its this gmode thing. I had slight improvement with the gorilla grip but still laggy.
[EVO 4G Android Development] gunfromsako:
Messed up my sound on synergy rc2 no godmode... Hw 0003. Wiped 3 times both cache and dalvik
[EVO 4G Android Development] D.J.CaSpER:
Any answer for this? Im using calk's evio3 2.3.3 rom

Sent from the moon on my EVO 4G
[EVO 4G Android Development] mfknboss:
Lithid...ive flashed this on multiple roms..kinged kingdom 2.1,viruses synergy kingdom 7/22 godmode,ota stock 4.24...it works excellent..only time i had a bootloop or issue was flashed over my existing rom which was tweaked to my likings..so i did factory reset wiped EVERYTHING except sdcard..flashed new rom flashed kernel,reboot. Flawless!! Did that to each of the roms as stated above..let it settle for about 5 mins..then i played with the govenor..oc'ed to 1152..anything over that will reboot..so 1152 is my sweet spot and runs smooth as butta :) looking forward to future tweaks..good job!!

sent from my slutty evo <--- flash whore!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] neno2323:
+1 on the 1152
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowrider32119:
Lithid - here is my logcat of my laggy 720p video.

Hardware 003

Rom: Synergy RC2 Gmode

Setcpu 998 smartass
[EVO 4G Android Development] davmicnei:
This kernel works great installed with mount in mount script. Just wish it would work on other EVO with he-0004 rooted with unrevoked . Maybe its hardware, or different root method. It works perfect on my EVO hw-0002 rooted with the first method ever developed for the EVO.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowrider32119:
Do u have the latest pri?
[EVO 4G Android Development] spider2346:
I'm running on 0004 w/ Unrevoked and I'm not having a single issue with this kernel. Synergy RC2 OC @ 1152 smartass.

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G Android Development] androidsupra:
I'm on hardware 0003 rooted with unrevoked, and this kernel works great for me. I'm really missing the 1228mhz and bfs I had on froyo, this phone loved the hell out of that frequency. However the wife's 0004 has never played well with any kernel other than stock.
[EVO 4G Android Development] jyarborough:
http://www.setcpu.com/#1
[EVO 4G Android Development] ss12108:
1152 smartass is money on my EVO too...anything more and I started getting FC's and reboots. Was down to 2% today after 10.5 hours which is the best battery life I've ever had with this phone, and that's an hour more than the first charge I had with the kernel. Looks like its like a fine wine haha.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ItsDon:
bhupinder408 this is the third thread I've seen you post this identical question in and this is the third "correct" answer. You should be good to go now bro.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
If anyone wants to help me test something, here is a link, only PM me if you flash this. This isn't a release and I just wanted some people to test. Please only PM me and let me know.

Thanks.

http://www.mediafire.com/?is71abfhbebmv
[EVO 4G Android Development] lowrider32119:
What r we testing? Also u get my logcat with the lag video?
[EVO 4G Android Development] nbakid2000:
If I have questions or concerns and come back, am I going to get verbally abused for "not understanding" again by you and your fans (who apparently, according to you, don't pay you for your hard work)?
[EVO 4G Android Development] mrcrptguy:
Dude, sit back and read up on your phone and how it works. Undervolting and choosing a kernel should be understood before you actually flash anything. I knew zero about android when I purchased my Evo, just like way back in school I studied it for a while and began to understand, study.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lithid-cm:
That quote was taken out of context like all of Fox News is. I don't get paid. I don't boast donations. Someone ask about a donation link about a year ago so i created it. By all means tho, you can look through my posts. I have no once asked for ****.
[EVO 4G Android Development] a senile fungus:
Nbakid,

I've been with this thread since day one.

The questions you asked and are asking have been answered multiple times by lithid and others in this forum. Multiple multiple times...

Please understand that this can be frustrating.

Edit: for giggles I went back about fifteen pages and all of your questions were answered. Even links for more info were supplied.

~ I'm a fungi
[EVO 4G Android Development] MrWhite1127:
This is another premium soap opera. ;)

Sent from my Recharged EVO.
[EVO 4G Android Development] nbakid2000:
As what happens with these threads (as on all forums) is that information gets missed, buried, and ignored.

When you have 320 pages in a thread, one can scroll through all they want to find their answers but that doesn't mean they'll find them. That means the questions will get asked again. The people who have been with the thread longer know where the answers are located and can easily and quickly copy and paste them.

Yes, this can be frustrating but it happens. Such is the nature of forums.
[EVO 4G Android Development] tang12:
Search tool?

sent from OG evo w/ synergy rls1
[EVO 4G Android Development] NxNW:
search tools often produce a lot of noise, and if you don't understand the basic nomenclature you wouldn't know if the search results contained anything interesting or not anyway, so there will always be people frustrated by search that will ask for plain english answers. no surprises there.

the "economic" incentives are clear: it didn't cost him anything to post in the wrong forum and hope for a free gift, the cost was borne by others. it's the same economics as spam: other than decency, there is no reason *not* to spam a million email addresses in hopes that one of the recipients sends you something for free. this is asymmetric warfare and you can't win, so don't fight. if it bugs you, ignore and move on.

the cardinal sin going on here is "entitlement mentality". no one owes this guy anything. yet the completely uncalled-for irritation at an honest attempt to help him shows this person thinks we all *owe* him prompt answers in terms he can understand. that's pretty conceited. he must think he is so important that his time is worth multiples of other people's time.

the collective contributions of the group he is asking are huge. his own contributions are zero. if he couches his questions, and more importantly his follow up responses, in language that acknowledges that reality, he'll get better help.

unfortunately this is an anonymous forum with no cost to join. i'm not holding my breath.
[EVO 4G Android Development] amahabir:
+1...yeah, whatever the f*** NxNW just said.:D
[EVO 4G Android Development] Cy_n_ic:
cool story bro...:p
[EVO 4G Android Development] barnacles10:
A kernel controls clock frequencies and voltages which it runs those frequencies. Think of it as a car. The harder you press on the pedal, the more gas that's dumped to accelerate all that weight. Same thing here, the higher clock, the more juice (from the battery) or voltage being supplied. When you undervolt, you decrease the stock voltages (what HTC, your grandma, or anyone else who develops kernels in a commercial setting feels is a safe level for stability) you ultimately save some juice. So, all in all, the more you can undervolt, the less juice you are applying. The less juice you apply, the more battery you save. Here are some links to get you started =P

Overclocking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking

Undervolting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undervolting

Underclocking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underclocking

How to use google to search

http://searchengineland.com/guide/how-to-use-google-to-search
[EVO 4G Android Development] androidsupra:
Hi, my name is Shannon, and I know how to google search for relevant information, you should try it as well.