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[Galaxy S II General] jpasint:
Sense is NOT just extra apps, by any means. It's an entire framework built into the OS.

It definitely impacts CPU, video and RAM.

I don't have any links to "prove" but it is a well established fact and it has been my personal experience as well.

Joe
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
Plus, you can automate it entirely so you never have to turn it on or off. Either that or get a power widget from the market.

It's unbelievable how helpless and whiny these people are.
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
To put it simply, you are wrong.

To give an explenation, every HTC phone with sense UI allows you to use the stock launcher instead. You need to press a button combo to turn off Sense UI though, it isn't just an option in settings.
[Galaxy S II General] Croak:
Not to mention he can use a "Settings" shortcut on the desktop that goes directly to WiFi settings, and there is always the standard Android Power Bar widget if that's not good enough.
[Galaxy S II General] jpasint:
Ok.

Joe
[Galaxy S II General] aydc:
Let's face the truth. Android is not an OS for idiots, and most humans are idiots, so Android is not for most humans. Android phones sell a lot only because they are cheaper than iPhones, which are made with idiots like the person who wrote that review in mind.
[Galaxy S II General] espekia:
I disagree with almost all of the things he said, but I can also understand why he says them.

The Guardian is not a technology publication, so its readers are not technology enthusiasts.

I love my SGS2, but it has been greatly improved by switching to LauncherPro and SwiftKey.

A lot of users won't ever get round to this, and for them, the 3 stars will probably reflect their experience.

Engadget's 9/10 review reflects my opinions, and this is mostly due to Engadget having writers who know how to improve the software experience.

I think the solution to articles like this is to visit technology websites for technology news/reviews.
[Galaxy S II General] ThaiM:
What a joke. That's one of the most idiotic reviews I've ever wasted time reading. We are now that much dumber from having to read that. I award him no points and may God have mercy on his soul.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
No, Quite simply your wrong!!!!

Sense is its own framework and is tied into RAM and CPU usage...

There is no phone after the HTC Desire that lets you use stock launcher, it will only let you use it if you download and install it. Also even though you might not be running sense (you might be running launcer pro or something) Sense is still running in the background allocating RAM and taking up resources. Samsung easilly pisses on every other phone in the market, and i have had every iphone up to the 3gs and every flagship android phone from the N1 to the SGS2!

Fact!
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Joe you are right mate,

Sense is built into the frame work and will run even though another launcher is being used, it will still be using resources;)

This is most evident in the Tmobile G2 software, it may look just like stock, but it is very much HTC underneath the hood;)
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
What runs? And even if you can't disable rosie from running why would you, it's nice launche
[Galaxy S II General] schrickm5:
Haha, I nearly feel off my toilet seat reading this one. Ouch my stomach!

How can anyone feel so confident about something, yet know so little. F.ing hilarious, what a numpty.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
I know dude, I nearly died laughing....

He seemed so sure of it, but yet soo far away. Lollol... And made poor Joe think he was wrong, when his post was flawless, lollol. ;)

Poor Joe:(

Sent from my Samsung Galactic iPhone Killing Machine S II
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
"A button combo"

I didn't see that before, lollol, funny as ****;)))

What's the combo dude, please find out I would love to know;) do you have to swipe with your tongue or something while keeping your toes crossed? Hahaha

Sent from my Samsung Galactic iPhone Killing Machine S II
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
Already got rid of my desire, but I think it was if you hold the home button long enough, you can switch to stock android Rosie. I know for a fact it works on Desire, Hero and Wildfire with stock firmware.

Also yes the HTC framework still runs for things like facebook integration into contacts and others, but the main resource hog isn't the framework, it's the customized launcher itself. Also this wasn't about resources, this was about "closer to stock".
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
You can tell by the sub-head "Put a shiny new phone running Android 2.3 'Gingerbread' up against one that's running creaky old 2.2 Froyo, and you'd expect the result to be a foregone conclusion, wouldn't you?", that the writer was out to create a contrarian review. He obviously, either through laziness or lack of technical savvy, doesn't like stock Android. The fact that he rated the Desire S five-stars with a recommendation not to upgrade to GB pretty much says it all.
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
For the general user stock android is pretty much the definition of eye cancer.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
I had a G2 and G2X which are vanilla Android before. The postings about "how do I?" from new users were comical. What's funny though is that Samsung outsells LG, HTC, and Motorola and TW is the least integrated of the UI's and does the least to hide Android.
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
Depends, quarter for quarter HTC and Samsung are almost equal in sales.

Q1 2011 had 9.2% of smartphone sales for samsung and 8.6 for HTC, they both sell really well.
[Galaxy S II General] sohanlon07:
Charles Arthur is a very good reviewer and tends to be very unbiased. I've had a few chats with him on twitter about tech and he is very clued in. He reviews these phones for non-tech savvy people who don't really know that much about the level of customisation available on Android and thus points out the little things that may annoy the average user. At the end of the day, we have all bought the phone and enjoy it but lets not get uber defensive about a piece of technology. It is after all, just a smart phone. His review for the most part is spot on. Yes some of the issues can be resolved with customisation and apps but as an out of the box experience, the phone can be a little bit annoying. And the spacebar thing is a nightmare, a complete nightmare.

However, I love the phone now that its been customised to my liking and it has improved a bit with 2.3.4. The beauty of these phones is that they are updated all the time with software improvements and new features. So his opinion will probably change.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
Not on a global basis. Samsung sold 7MM phones than HTC in Q2 leaving HTC in fourth place behind Nokia.

http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_shipp...n_q2_samsung_second_nokia_third-news-2946.php
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
Well, Charles Arthur really screwed the pooch on this review. There is no way the fastest selling Android device should get three out of five stars. Everything he complains about can easily be solved by getting an app in the market. Don't like the desktop? Get one of the zillion launchers. Don't like the out-of-the-box widgets? Get one of the zillion power widgets. Don't like the keyboard? Get one of the zillion keyboards.

It's funny that he speaks highly of the battery life when that's the one thing that could be better.

I think his review is completely backwards.
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
Yeah, gotta look at the most recent quarter in the hyper accelerated world of mobile devices.
[Galaxy S II General] sohanlon07:
Yet most android users are quick to give the iPhone a bad rap, probably the biggest selling phone ever!
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
Your post is OT. We're talking about this review. The point is the SGS2 is completey customizable if you spend even ten minutes trying to customize it.

Charles Arthur would probably complain about MS Paint in Windows 7.

And so what if we all a have pic of an android pissing on a apple? Is that so wrong???
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
Not completely fair, for Q3 HTC will probably be slightly above Samsung, Q2 had the SGSII, Q3 will have the HTC Sensation launch.
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
Maybe, but that is speculation. What we know is Samsung beat HTC in the first two quarters this year.
[Galaxy S II General] seshmaru:
The difference between iPhone users and Android users is iPhone users KNOW they're superior, Android users need to try and convince themselves it's better by bashing the other party.

Leads me to believe you buy Android just because it isn't Apple. I buy Android because I like Android itself. I however do own iOS devices and they are very nice as well.
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
My comment about the pic was tongue-in-cheek and I don't want to get into an off-topic Android vs Apple debate.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
No the difference between iPhone users and Android users is that Android users have an IQ.. iPhones are for people that don't wanna go to the next level... Like my dad for example... Android **** slaps iOS with complete authority,

Another Fact!

iOS isn't really a OS at all, its just springboard with options... And that's being kind!

Sent from my Samsung Galactic iPhone Killing Machine S II
[Galaxy S II General] sohanlon07:
My post is not OT. People on the forum said that he was an apple fan boy who would of course be negative about an Android device. I merely said that the same could be said about Android users and their opinion of apple devices.

And yes it is completely customisable and MY POINT IS that he was reviewing its out of the box bugs. A fair and normal review approach which is applied to all devices, mobile or otherwise. Now please, dismount from your high horse and be a little bit more open minded about the phones issues. The Android Overlord will not srike you down for blasphemous comments, trust me.
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
I just wasn't expecting a non sequitur from you when you replied to my post. Bringing up Apple is not a defense for his review. However, it's not a big deal.

It's fine if he doesn't like the out-of-box experience. However, he should mention all his complaints are easily rectified in the market. He shouldn't dock it two stars for something like that.
[Galaxy S II General] ph00ny:
Well let's see what he says as iOS gets more complex as it gets revised and updated to stay competitive. I have a feeling that a lot of these reviewers will rave about it eventhough they gave another platform crap about it months/years before the "new" iOS
[Galaxy S II General] nraudigy2:
I would stick to gsmarena for phone reviews. They are the experts.
[Galaxy S II General] ph00ny:
Well the thing is whether the reviewers are experts or not, they just have to be consistent in their reviews and that's really not the case

They downscore one phone for having a feature but on another review, that same feature gets praised. That's what i hate about some of these reviewers
[Galaxy S II General] veyka:
I think he's just an idiot who needed to bash out a review.

For goodness sake he said the phone was running a 1.2ghz tegra 2.
[Galaxy S II General] Croak:
Sadly, the Sensation is practically gathering dust in the markets where the SGS2 has released.

Bell/Virgin here in Canada is giving the Sensation away free on contract, and they're still being passed up in favor of the SGS2 for $170.

They're just not selling well, because it's not a competitive phone with that iffy display, struggling Snapdragon/Adreno dual-core, small internal storage and the heavy-bar-of-soap industrial design is not for everyone either.
[Galaxy S II General] htc9420:
''The processor is a dual-core Tegra Cortex A9 running at 1.2GHz. Ten years ago something with that power would have been inside your PC. Now it's walking up and down the street.''

LOL, I really think his brain is walking down the street.

Do they get people with -5 IQ on idiot's scale post online in order to get some tax return?

Really.
[Galaxy S II General] Endoran:
You can have a unified inbox if you use samsungs email client. This review was more a review of android 2.3.3 than the gs2. Is it just me or did he talk about the key board for half the review? In my opinion sense ui is over the top and cartoony. Also, to turn wifi on/off in ios is much more difficult. What was his review of the iphone 4? Did he mention all the button presses to change any settings at all?

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy S II General] :
Well that review was kinda funny, i kinda see his point in that the average Joe blogs will not want to or not now how to change launchers and keyboards so his stating it for that, and he slates it for having the wifi toggle in the notifications bar what a tit best place to have it imo.

What i find funnier is the rest of this thread its gone off on a tangent somewhere lol.
[Galaxy S II General] zkyevolved:
I actually enjoy the out of the box Samsung GS2. It hasn't given me a single problem (serious). Yesterday the menu button stopped (while going house hunting and taking geo-located pics all over the area, and 50 pictures in 2 hours), and so I had to turn it off and back on, and all fixed. Other than that, I haven't had any issues! It's fast, battery life is decent. No complaints. :) The least problematic phone (other than the iphone) I've ever had.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
You might not agree with him but he does raise a few valid points. The stock keyboard is the worste ever and the swype keyboard is impossible to type (not swype) on for words which aren't recognized. However a worth mentioning is that the leaked KG firmware line has mostly fixed this issue, the keyboard is not great but it's better.

I can see where he's coming from and keeping in mind the audience he's writing for this a perfectly reasonable review. What I do not understand however is the 5 star rating he's giving the Incredible S while he's giving the SGS2 a 3 star rating without any argumentation what so ever. The Incredible S doesn't offer that much more for it to get a higher rating. The problems he mentioned with the SGS2 also aren't that much worse for it to get a lower rating, it just needs a bit of getting used to that's all.
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
HTC's keyboard is wonderful, I think it's the best touchscreen keyboard. It's very easy to type and very good at it's suggestions (a lot better than swiftkey x, the only keyboard that comes close). I went to a lot of trouble to get the latest versions of swype on my htc, only to return to the stock keyboard.

Also when I got my Desire (my first smartfone) after having seen my gf's iphone, I was surprised at how well integrated and refined everything was. Sense kept amazing me and it still does.
[Galaxy S II General] skimminstones:
Id agree with that, the sense keyboard does seem to just be better than any other phone ive used. I had a xperia x10 a while ago and someone ported the htc keyboard to it, i was hoping someone would do the same for the SGSII
[HTC EVO 3D] TheSeanR:
At first i thought it was just swype, since that always acts up. Ever since I've had the phone anytime a picture is present in an sms thread, it makes the app go bonkers. It either freezes up, the keyboard flashes at epilepsy inducing speeds or the "soft" menu buttons that pop up flash as well.

I could normally make the problem go away by deleting the picture/media out of the thread manually by selection. Now it does it sometimes without any media being present. Basically if a picture is present, it either refuses to let me type or does so at turtle speeds.

I emailed HTC days after receiving the phone, but the help ticket went down the road of them trying to help me with my frustration of not being able to download .mpo files through the native gmail app, only preview.

I also took it to the sprint store where of course the phone magically started functioning properly when I tried recreating the problem for the tech (yay?), it only took a few tries to recreate the glitch, where she just did a wipe of the phone (don't remember if she did it through the recovery mode or "regular" wipe). But I shouldn't have to wipe my phone every time the stock messaging app starts acting up.

Ill try to get video of it happening tomorrow, it's 3:30am right now... Kinda late to be borrowing anyones phone for such things

Tl:dr stock messaging app acts wonky when media is present in thread

Is anyone else having this issue?
[HTC EVO 3D] knowledge561:
I think no one here uses stock sms app anymore. Gosms and Handcent are great replacements. Plus on gosms you can text from anyscreen, if your in the browser, your sms will pop up and you can reply from their without switching apps. Its very useful, give it a try.

I Haz 3D!
[HTC EVO 3D] donatom3:
I use the stock SMS app. I like having the integration the stock SMS app has with the home screen and address book. Anyway I haven't had any of those issues the OP is having with the stock sms app. If it happens again try clearing the data for the sms app, that won't clear out your text messages.
[HTC EVO 3D] TheSeanR:
Just tried it, data was only about 864kb anyway, problem persists. I dont have a ton of threads/messages in there clogging it up.

And I know about chomp and handcent, ive used them both. I honestly do like a lot of stock apps though, it's not from ignorance... I had a cm7 evo 4g.
[HTC EVO 3D] CheesyNutz:
i use stock and it works fine
[HTC EVO 3D] felacio:
I use stock without issue as well. I prefer it now over those apps. For popups I just use SMS Pop-up from the market. Problem solved.

Are We Not Phones?

We Are D3VO!

Are we not phones?!

3.DeE.V.O.!!
[HTC EVO 3D] dadoc04:
i too use the stock app. No issues at all here.
[HTC EVO 3D] TheSeanR:
Im wondering if I should temp root and backup all my crap. Dont feel like individually downloading all these apps again if I take it to the store and all they do is wipe it again... If it comes to that and the issue persists, hopefully they swap it out.
[HTC EVO 3D] dabackwoodboy:
My just puts all kinds of weird times on the messages like it'll be 1pm but the time stamp will be 6
[HTC EVO 3D] luckyzac:
Never used stock messaging...It sucks
[HTC EVO 3D] empiire:
Same here. And I'm not roaming. And also if I reply within the same minute the text came in my text goes above theirs in the thread, so it looks like I'm replying before they even send the text which obviously isn't the case... But regardless, I do love the stock app.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robybear:
Hello friends,

this is my first thread on xda, but I think this Forum is the best on the planet. I write from Italy, I apologize for my bad english.

My problem is: every week, I need to calibrate my SGS battery because when it finishes to charge, removing charghing, my battery percent falls from 100% to 82-85%. Replacing charging in this situation it continues charging till 96-100%.

Without a battery calibration it repeat its 15% drain every charging.

Why?

How can I resolve?

Thank you for help,

robybear
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slaphead20:
This is happening because you keep recalibrating and wiping your battery stats! Leave it alone just run flat and charge to full a few times, but stop wiping your battery stats! And if you flash a lot always do it with a full battery! :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robybear:
Thank you, by your advice I charged regularry and now I have sometimes only 2-4% battery drain...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slaphead20:
that is pretty normal, mine always drops to 98% i dont bump charge, wipe my stats or anything else, i always flash on full battery, too many people mess with these things and so the battery chip has no statistics to refer to, so it loses its datum, congratulations on listening, and your english is much better than my italian! :)
[T-Mobile LG G2x] KRAZYADROIDMASTER:
Does spare parts run without ROOT?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] cybereclipse:
you can get a copy of it in the market.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Terran5992:
Okay, first I tried to root my galaxy s but fun know what I do, broke my motherboard, luckily it was still under warranty and got it fixed for $50, but I still want to root my SGS but afraid that if I root again, my motherboard would break again.

Samsung galaxy s

Firmware DXJV9

Gingerbread

If there is way to root my SGS with a 100% chance of working please post below.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djice000:
First of all I'd come off that firmware version as that's your network providers version....flash JVK, JVQ, JVP, JVH any of them...then rooting will be easier....you need Odin, and your chosen kernel. First flash one of the firmwares above using Odin (theirs loads of tutorials on YouTube) then once done boot into download mode vol down + home + power, connect to computer, open Odin, their should be a yellow box to let you know your phone has been recognised, then in the PDA box, put your chosen kernel in and click start....done, make sure its a kernel for gingerbread and not CM7, froyo or something ok??
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Terran5992:
Yeah. That's exactly what caused my motherboard to break
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr Woolf:
Why don't you just read the sticky on rooting and flashing in the development section - then you won't need to post here. :)

S.U.R.F.A.C.E 2.something
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Terran5992:
can you give me the link as i can't find it
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Terran5992:
B..U..M..P>.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Terran5992:
B...UU...MMM...PPP
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Terran5992:
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[Defy Android Development] ofmb:
http://direct.motorola.com/CHI/Soft...trCable=Mini USB Data Cable&strURL=No URL9 b2

http://translate.google.com/transla...%20Data%20Cable&strURL=No%20URL9%20b2&act=url
[Defy Android Development] Quarx:
fake http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1033654&page=943
[Defy Android Development] ofmb:
Yeah, got it :-)

i first saw it android 3.0

Now it says windows 95 se :D
[Defy Android Development] dumrul:
Lol nice fake for 1 sek i thought its real xD

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[Defy General] boswald:
Hey Guys,

I have had my Defy for about a month. A friend helped me upgrade from 2.1 to 2.3.4 (MotoGiner-test5).

I am interested now in trying the CM7 build. I see it says I need to flash Froyo.

Do I need to flash froyo to install the CM7 onto my phone even though I am running 2.3.4?
[Defy General] arpith.fbi:
yes..u need to start with froyo to install CM7 to avoid any kind of problem :)
[Defy General] boswald:
Cool. thanks.

Off to find a stock 2.2 that I can install :) with a tutorial :P
[Defy General] arpith.fbi:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1065798

follow this tutorial...

u will find everything u need

All the best :)
[Defy General] boswald:
Awesome. Thanks for the help.
[Defy General] vgowtham97:
Give me the link to the latest version CM7.And what are the known bugs as of now with the latest version?
[Defy General] mad-defy:
You can find last version of cm7 in first post all the rime in xda
[Defy General] Kazid:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1033654

Here you can find the last stable version (rc1 v2) or get there the link to the nightly builds (updated almost daily).
[Defy General] boswald:
thanks for the help so far guys. getting ready to flash today. Realling battling with battery life and also data usage. Hoping CM7 will help in both cases.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] KRAZYADROIDMASTER:
Do you like the new copy and paste menus?

It took a little bit to get use to using.

But I like it better.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] nguyen2011:
What copy & paste menu are you referring to? CM7 or gingerbread build seems to improve only a little compared to froyo.

Wish it works like iphone or galaxy s2.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] KRAZYADROIDMASTER:
Gingerbread OTA.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] eagle1967:
No i actually hate the new way, i liked it better the froyo way. but i know a lot of people liked it the gingerbread way. its not a big thing, but i thought it was easier the old way.