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[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
I'm not saying that, bother reading before replying. I'm saying that the more then average amount of devices (I'm sure I've seen more i9100's and replacement parts then you'll see in your lifetime) I've held in my hands didn't have the issue. I'm also not denying that there is an issue, I'm just doubting the way this issue is being over-hyped. You yourself said Samsung has great service and that you got a replacement in 3 mins. So it's actually a non-issue, if you have the problem get a replacement, minor inconvenience at most.

Sent my phone in by mail, couldn't be bothered to drive to the nearest service point. They said they had replacements on standby so if I had driven there I would've gotten a replacement too.

Uuum if you read those articles and check their sources then you'll see that the source of the info is the one thread here on XDA and most of those articles reffer to one and other as a source. Pointing out many links doesn't amplify the problem, the source is still just one.

I'm not sure why people insist on complaining about this. It was a problem with the first batch of devices and after that the problem was fixed and since then very little new reports of this problem have been reported. This leads me to believe the problem has been solved on Samsungs end. If you have the problem, RMA the device get yourself a new one and be happy.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
Because I also had a faulty screen to begin with, the yellow tinting was not that horrible but the entire screen was red, at 100% brightness it could not display proper whites, a comparison unit beside it shows better whites at at 50% and there was also a miniscule white blotch, I've went through several phones though.

And even until now I still goto those stores that absolutely have superb customer support checking if they have a Galaxy S2 that matches the colors and white levels on my phone as Im going to get one for my girl.

I've ridden my self of most of the image comparisons I've personally made but this one still sticks around

See how it cant produce whites, same brightness level, auto adjust screen power disabled. same stock firmware/kernel.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Those results can be replicated by playing with the Screenmode under display settings. In fact I think that's just whats going on there since the three possible settings govern the difference seen in those pictures.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
Thats why its called a source or the source of information, I guess we have a different understanding of it :p

I was being sarcastic, it takes me about 3 months of savings to get this phone xD

Screen mode set to normal, auto adjust screen power disabled, brightness level at 50% all 3 phones were rebooted to ensure settings properly took place.

This is just 3 out of the 30+ phones I've personally tested, I havent seen 1 that matches the exact colors on my screen, color calibration variance is expected but the one on the right side is the actual screen in question.

Again I dont expect you to understand this issue at all since you dont have first hand experience with it which is pretty much acceptable =P
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's link to their mention of the left side banding, it's dated June 1

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gal...y_uneven_brightness_yellow_tint-news-2719.php

Here's a link to their comparison of the Sensation/O2X/SGS2, it's dated June 16

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_sensation_vs_galaxy_sii_vs_optimus_2x-review-608p2.php

You'll notice there's no mention of the left side banding or other issues with the SGS2 screen. If they honestly thought it was a worthwhile issue that would have included it.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Apart from the fact that the default background isn't white but multicolored and the default homescreen is filled with widgets and icons everything makes sense in your reply.

And if you had bothered to read then you would've have known that I'm on my second device now. My first device had a deadpixel but that one was exchanged by Samsung ASAP. Guess I'm not as lucky as you thought I was.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
Point taken and valid, but also consider the other side of the coin.. They only had experience with a single unit, they didnt have to purchase the phone and lastly they got lucky and got a screen that didnt have banding issues, like mine :)

All in all, its a hit or miss :p

At least you had a single exchange, hes on his fifth.. Im on my second ( after going through 20+ phones ) and actually Samsung PH cared enough to send me replacement from a new batch ( as they say ) for me to examine and see if theres no more yellow tinting ) expected arrival for this replacement would be on monday, though I have the option to refuse the replacement as my current screen is fine anyway.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
I still find that hard to believe since the difference are exactly the difference governed by the screenmode settings. But if you say so mister genius. Bad Samsung bad bad bad, shame on you for making the best screen in the industry... grrrrrrr.
[Galaxy S II General] RjYslf:
guess who pays the reviewers and who sends the samples
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Can we get back to the fact that he didn't notice the blob was there with the default homescreen? That's kind of odd don't you think?
[Galaxy S II General] Tom-Helge:
There is a Norwegian forum (www.diskusjon.no) where the Samsung Galaxy S II topic there have 8370 replies and half a million views.

After reading that topic since the beginning, i can say that the problem with the screen is present, but it's very small when you see how many that have the problems with the screens and how many that are writing and watching that topic.

Some few peoples have the yellow tint and those things, but out of nearly 8400 replies, there is probably around 0.3 to 0.5% max there that have reported problems with the screen.

So it's not really a big problem for us in Norway though.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
I quoted statistics and got shot down. You do this for a living and got shot down. The only point of participating in threads like this is to provide some counterbalance to the overwrought emotional statements of a few so that people coming to this forum for information can get some rationale perspective. Otherwise, as was said earlier, they could walk away thinking 95% of SGS2 displays are defective. There's a faction of people that post here that are genuinely upset that more people aren't upset which just leads to circuitous and increasingly personal rants. If my previous statement about this not being an important issue to the majority is true, than once the handful of people that are running up this thread's post count get tired, it will drop off in to oblivion like all the display threads (except the left side banding) that preceded it.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
See now your getting the point, since you have no personal experience in comparing several of these devices you tend to point that I had to falsify the images I posted, actually if you read the yellow tinting thread this information and screen shot comparison has been done several times, even barry can attest that there are huge swings in color temperature.

This is why the displays issues is so hard for others to grasp, purely because it didnt happen to the phone they got. Im just glad I got a great screen after the replacements.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
You're right, it's all a conspiracy. Samsung's sitting in their big corporate office in Korea plotting and scheming on how they can sell defective products to consumers and get away with it. And obviously GSMArena is part of the conspiracy.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
You don't know me but somehow you seem to know what my personal experience is? Are you stalking me?
[Galaxy S II General] RjYslf:
Mates Mates. Common backup your statements show me a good screen without yellow/purple tint and with a normal color. How can you say the majority is not affected if YOU haven't seen ONE defect-free screen?
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Even if it is "defective" by your obscure standards I'm perfectly happy with my unit, sorry.
[Galaxy S II General] RjYslf:
it's pretty funny to say 99% of phones are defect-free when 100% of the phones on this site are defective.

extreme logic-fail
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
There can be pretty wide swings in color temperature as we've seen. About 2/3 of the discussion in the left side banding thread was based on the assumption we were all looking at the same display. Since all the pics were on grey in the dark, no one realized how different the color temperatures on individual screens were. Those differences explained why some people could see the banding in every day use and some couldn't. Screens with warm/yellow displays exaggerate the banding which makes it more visible. But it kind of proves a point. If more people had warm/yellow screens (assuming cool/blue is the baseline) the banding issue would have been a bigger deal to more people. The debate isn't whether there's an issue, it's about how prevalent it is.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
I think I know why your getting shot down, its because your solely comparing the 6Million phones sold to the number of complaints here in XDA which numbers to about 40-50 people perhaps?

Its impossible for us to get a real statistic on the defective screens, but I believe in your crusade that the defective screens are maybe less than 5% out of the 6Million sold, and by defective screen all issues besides the Yellow tint.

As per your explanation in the other thread, you havent seen a screen yet that has no yellow tinting, so this entire defect is divided into 2 major parts, yellow tinting defect and the rest ( of the defects )

You may think that you are providing counter balance ( This is what I also initially thought after reading your posts on the other thread ) but as time went by your starting to sound like your defending the issue, some of your posts have changed from perspective. I still remember that you said that a good majority of the screens have yellow tint, then it became only a minority, you also initially said that the yellow tint varies from phone to phone but changed your tone soon after to something that the yellow tint only appears on certain conditions on all phones.

Please do not think of this as a personal vendetta, just pointing out what I noticed with the progression of your posts, I guess you got tired of hearing the same issue over and over again and started to have a more negative and bitter disposition to the people who find the screen issues annoying.

If you've also noticed since I posted that I flashed to 2.3.4, I havent ranted about the issue anymore. Though I still find it a bit wrong for others to down play this issue when its legitimately there, even if they are on the minority.

I was genuinely upset about the issue till the band-aid fix came out.

The discussion on this screen issue needs to be divided dont you think ?

As per GIR, theres absolutely no difference in color temperature if the screen mode is equally, so go figure.

With my first phone, it exhibited a really red screen, honestly I didnt see the yellow tinting issue but it was so red that whites are dim. I've also seen phones that are biased to the blue tint (which IIRC is one of yours) they do an impressive job of masking the yellow tint from day to day use, infact its almost invisible even on menu's with white boxes. The blue biased screen is the most common I've personally seen among different users and store display/stocks,
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
There are tons of pics of my phone posted in the left side banding thread. I have a cool/blue screen, can't see the left side banding unless I photograph my phone, and have no issues with my screen. I'm not saying you don't, but for OP to look at 5 phones, EarlZ to look at 20, and you 1 and then make the assumption that all displays are bad until proven otherwise isn't logical. The question everyone who thinks this is a huge issue keeps side-stepping is "why aren't more people upset?" The answer can only be: 1) it doesn't effect the majority of phones, or 2) some people have higher (maybe unrealistic) expectations.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
I think you should stop addressing me personally and focus on the point of the discussion that we're both participating in. When I'm sharing something, your opinion of it couldn't be further from my mind. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is to exchange ideas and opinions not to win or lose. People reading and commenting on what you and I post are big boys and girls and can draw their own conclusions.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
I wanna make a correction there, to date ive looked at over 30 phones. Ive never had the assumption that ALL are defective, my statement was always solid that its pretty hard to find a perfect screen based on the samples I have seen and pictures on the internet, The only assumption I firmly had ( like you ) is that a great majority of the screen has this yellow tint.

I also believe that all other screen related issues apart from the yellow tinting is minimal but I also believe there are certain batches severely affected by such issues, I havent came across a phone with dead pixel, most common is red/blueish screens and suction cup marks.

Some may have similar expectations as I do but I cant speak for them, Personally my own expectation is that the prev. generation SAMOLED screens didnt have yellow tinting, why should the new generation SAMOLED Plus have that defect and be considered as acceptable?

Other screen issues dont bother me to much as they are a genuine sign of defect which the store/retailer can easily see and compare ( Suction cup marks/white blotches/ dead pixels )
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
Funny that you mention it, everytime I see your name on a screen related discussion I already have an idea of what your going to say :D

By division I dont mean taking on sides on who is right or wrong, what I mean is dividing them into 2 general issues.

1.) Yellow tint / color temperature swings

2.) Genuine screen manufacturing/QC issues ( Dead pixel/White Blotches/Suction Cup marks )

Like what you said a couple of weeks back..
[Galaxy S II General] RjYslf:
ok the next super amoled ++ will have a poo-like brown tint on the right side of the screen. we expected a lot but we shouldn't have.

final words from bary:not a huge issue.after all the last samsung s2 had a yellow tint(so brown is an improvemen), and not even talking about the competition( gawd their washed out colors are no match for my poo-tinted amoled.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
So you've actually checked all 6 million units shipped by Samsung?
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
OK, so let's assume Samsung is the scourge of the universe. They hate their customers, don't care about their reputation, and are intentionally sabotaging SGS2 screens just because it's fun. Pick one of the following recently released dual-core phones as an alternative:

O2X/G2X

The left shot is an HTC LCD display. I came from a G2X and the one in the pic is actually a better one.

Sensation

The one on the left is a Acer display, the right Sharp. The phone ships with both.

Which would you prefer? A grainy screen with better colors or a crisper screen with washed out colors and a yellow tint? They both have horrible viewing angles and the design allows dust to get under the display.

Atrix

Pentile anyone? And the soon to be released Photon still has a Pentile display.

There is no perfect display and when you mass produce anything there's always going to be a certain amount of inconsistency. All of these phones cost about the same so it kind of makes the "I paid 'X' for this phone and for that amount I expect it to be perfect" claim pretty futile as perfect obviously doesn't exist be it Samsung, HTC, LG, or Motorola.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
The images above actually represent more of a technology limitation rather than actual manufacturing defects, so the comparison is purely irrelevant. ( Probably aside from the back light issues )

The comparison and standards should be coming from the previous generation screen which is the SAMOLED on the Galaxy S ( and Wave). I havent came across any yellow tinting issue nor have i read reports about visible suction cup marks. Color differences on the S1 were there but the variance was not so large ( as believed by supercurio ) and his voodoo color alleviated the difference.

What anyone has not explained to me yet is why these defects are suddenly acceptable and normal on the S2 when such issues were non existent on the S1, especially the yellow tint.. Maybe someone can enlighten me on this?
[Galaxy S II General] RjYslf:
mate not trying to argue or something but others having faulty screens isn't an excuse to produce faulty screens too. that's my only and only point.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
If the SGS2 used the same display as the SGS1 and these issues were introduced people would go apoplectic. SAMOLED+ is very different and was just introduced two months ago on the SGS2 and Infuse. I never followed the SGS1 threads to know if they had color temperature variances and random QC defects. Maybe someone coming from a SGS1 can comment. And the acceptability or unacceptability of the issue(s) really depends on how many people are effected. Less than 5-8% would seem acceptable. Greater than 10% not so much. And only Samsung knows what the real number is.

http://www.oled-info.com/lcd-vs-super-amoled-vs-super-amoled-plus
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
I totally get it. But shouldn't the benchmark be the competition, not perfection? In a way, looking at the issues or design compromises that all four phones have it sort of sets an expectation of what to expect from a high-end phone. If HTC, LG, and Motorola nailed it and Samsung was the only one with display issues I'd be going ballistic right there with you. Sadly, as it stands today it's a pretty low bar. Can you imagine the issues that'll exist when 720p phone displays come out when they can't get simple LCD and AMOLED displays right?
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
I've been saying this over and over again, Im an S1 user I got my phone when It came out. My expectations on the screen is purely based on my experience with 2 SAMOLED devices (S1 and Wave) I've had the Wave for like 3 months then S1 for 11 months (got it on release day)

The only difference with the SAMOLED+ is the pixel arrangement

As per your link.

I've been extremely active with the S1 in here and many other forums, the only common reports boils down to 2 things GPS and battery, screen differences barely came up as samsung did a good job of calibration on those screens.

This clears up a lot of things why your very indifferent with me on this issue because you thought my expectations were to high when infact they were only based on the Wave and S1.

I was also expecting you came from the S1, no ?

No, the benchmark should be the previous generation SAMOLED screen as The SAMOLED+ is an upgrade.

EDIT:

Im also lead to believe that a lot of S2 users never came from the S1, hence expectations are pretty low. I may not have any statistical data to prove this but in my country alone the S2 is an extremely common phone compared to the S1. Hopefully the S3 will have better screen QC since Im pretty sure a lot of people will get that ( including me ) and will already have a base line of comparison. Keeping my fingers crossed for the SAMOLED HD.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's what I don't understand. The phone's sold 6MM copies and there doesn't seem to be any difference in issues experienced between the first batch and the latest batch. If there was an initial design or production problem Samsung would have made revisions by now. So basically, warts and all, the phone we have is the phone we have to live with. If the phone isn't meeting peoples expectations, and Samsung's obviously fine with what we're all getting, and the likelihood of anything changing hardware wise on existing phones is slim, what are threads like this supposed to accomplish? I can get letting people know in advance that are looking to buy the phone to be on the lookout for certain issues, but, beyond that, isn't it really just a bunch of random venting? And if a SGS1, Desire, iP4, Sensation, G2X/O2X, or Atrix seems like a better fit, why do people hold on to the SGS2 if it's going to leave them so disappointed and frustrated? Buying something and keeping it knowing it will never meet expectations just seems sort of masochistic. I had a G2X which is as cursed a phone as ever existed. After a month of problems I lost several hundred dollars getting rid of it. Hanging on to it and *****ing about it never really seemed like a viable option to me. Especially know that my *****ing wouldn't change anything. Oh well, different viewpoints are what make life interesting.
[Galaxy S II General] EarlZ:
Main point is, screen defects is there regardless if its 0.001% of the phones released. Looking for a good screen might be a bit tough in certain regions, None of these issues exists on the S1.

Nice dodge btw, and its bed time for me as its 5AM here.
[Galaxy S II General] MarkSkov:
I think people posting in forums is a fairly unrepresentative sample, after all people with problems are more likely to come to a forum. For every person on here there is hundreds or thousands of people who are perfectly satisfied with their screens.
[Galaxy S II General] MarkSkov:
Also I agree with Barry's sentiments, why bother to moan, at the end of the day if you have a screen defect then you can get it swapped pretty easily and so it's no big deal. I'm sure it's a pain to have to keep changing phones with a supplier or in a shop....but not the end of the world!
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
So I'm still the only one who thinks it's strange the OP didn't notice the huge blob on his screen eventho the stock background is multicolored and the stock homescreen is filled with widgets?
[Galaxy S II General] prodygee:
My phone is ALL fine! Yay me!
[Galaxy S II General] moevi:
Where did you buy your sgs2? Buying one without a subscription puts your closer to 800$ with all taxes included.

I definitely would expect something perfect if I paid 800$ for it.
[Galaxy S II General] RjYslf:
I shouldn't even bother to those with "perfect screens" but a "perfect screen" is yet to be seen on xda. Anyway google yellow tint Samsung Galaxy S2 and see how many got it. You most likely got it too but you 1.either don't admit 2.either you don't see it(all the people that pretended to have a perfect screen here on xda, had either the purple either the yellow tint-ofc the purple one to a much lesser degree- thus I can't see why you would be any different.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
You are welcome to come and show it to me if you want.
[Galaxy S II General] warfanax:
I can't believe you are so obsessed with this. You keep repeating the same thing over and over again trying to prove that I am lying. Why would I? I own Sgs, and I want to own Sgs2 so much. I am not an apple fanboy who hates Samsung.

First of all if you don't know what you are looking for you don't see it quickly.

Second, its discoloration. And with Widgets and multicolored homescreen makes it really hard to see when you are in a well lit area.

Its visible in Dark. You keep repeating the same question like you caught my lie. I am saying to you its alot visible in a dark room. I usually use my phone in bed.

I exchanged the phone and looked for dead pixel and color shift and color tint and banding. But I knew that its always more visible when you go home and check in the dark. That's why I didn't care. my intention was to get the phone go home and check for defects. I didn't use that phone with discoloration for days. I exchancged the phone at 8.45pm and came home at 9.30pm. I found that white spot after 2min coming home (Cuz I was in a dark room) And returned the next day.

If you are gonna say I made up those details don't bother cuz I remember like yesterday.

I even gave time details for you. I hope this answers your question