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[G2 and Desire Z General] desirez_pete:
Took a while to get root only because I have a crap sd card but it was definitely worth it!

Don't bother with the guides in the dev section, follow the wiki guide and it will be easy.

Basically its:

- Get MiniADB which it much easier to work with

- Follow wiki guide.

Done.

If you wait for a 1 click solution you learn nothing. At least you learn how to use ADB and the basic commands because you will need them when you change roms/kernels/radios.
[G2 and Desire Z General] boborone:
Did you really ask this question on xda?! On top of that, post it in general?

>.<

wow..........

-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
[G2 and Desire Z General] ostinq:
The choice to root is yours and yours alone. I will say this, after having a rooted phone, I could never go back to a stock phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] pierrekid:
Wow hi troll, if you did not notice...your in the g2 section, not the general...and if your not here to help then get (explicit) out! :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] pierrekid:
See this is one of the things that's get me nervous about rooting. I have heard its such a high risk. I know I'm probably technical enough to do it but do the rewards really out way the risks.
[G2 and Desire Z General] boborone:
I was referring to this being in the g2 general and not in g2 q&a.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=276306

Please join the conversation at the end of the thread. Start at post 2221 and read from there. I feel you may have a view not yet expressed in the discussion. Please speak in there your opinion.

-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
[G2 and Desire Z General] pierrekid:
Couple of questions, what are Nandroid backups? Titanium...? Lol I have no idea what these things are, but I'm always looking for a ways to better my g2. Sorry my ignorance. You can keep it brief I just want a general overview.
[G2 and Desire Z General] pierrekid:
Lol first of all you responded by asking why I would ask this question on xda ( refer back to YOUR original post) which in my mind is condescending and rude. Second if you really wanted to help you would have refered to that post in Q&A in your original response instead of being condescending and rude... so please, your not fooling anyone... I don't need any help from you. Seems I'm getting responses from other people on here who are actually here to help.
[G2 and Desire Z General] boborone:
Your first point, dead on. Second point, you obviously didn't go to the link I provided. Start at post number 2221 and read and post from there.

-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
[G2 and Desire Z General] pierrekid:
Your second point about me not going there...dead on. This is my last post addressing you. Please leave.
[G2 and Desire Z General] boborone:
In the discussion we talking about you.

-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
[G2 and Desire Z General] pierrekid:
Why is it easier to do it on the g2 vs. Dz? Also some people say it takes long to achieve root, does it really only take 15 minutes?
[G2 and Desire Z General] cjward23:
I did my dz in 15 mins, but I have done it 3 times. So I all ready have all the files downloaded. If you are doing it using adb depending on your internet connection downloading the android sdk can take a very long time. There is a way to do it with out adb (check the dev section) which should take about 1 hour including the time it takes to read the guide a few times and make sure everyting you need is set up correctly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
I'm a WP7 user, who also owns an iPod touch. Overall I like the WP7 experience, except for the app list - in my opinion it's killing the system.

On my Ipod I have probably around 200 apps. They are organised by page - so I have a page for games, a page for music apps, a page for productivity apps etc. With the newer version of iOS I've also made sub-folders on each page, but the point is; when I need X app I just swipe to the relevant page, then look for its icon.

This also has a nice side effect; when i'm bored, it's easy just to flick through the screens and find an app I want to play with.

On WP7 there is no quick way to find an app without knowing its name. For example, I installed a currency converter but to run I have to browse through a list of around 40 apps, looking for it. I don't remember what its icon looks like or its name as I use it infrequently - this process takes ages, and defies the point of having a smart phone, which you can quickly take out your pocket and look up something.

There is no real way you can memorise the names of 100+ apps, so the only choice is scrolling. However, having one long list is broken from a usability point of view, as every time you install a new app everything below in the list it gets pushed down a little bit. Therefore if you do learn how far down to scroll to find a specific app, it will eventually move and you won't find it again.

Finally, already there are tons of apps on my phone that I have forgotten I have installed. The list is not easy to flick through when bored, so infrequently used apps get neglected. Bare in mind I only have around 30 apps installed, and already I'm confused / lost..

All this could be solved so easily by adding groups, like the people hub has in Mango. Imagine being able to add groups at the top of the list like "Games", "Productivity", "Sound" etc, and a killer feature would be that you can add each app to multiple groups. Newly installed apps could even go in a default group called "Programs", bit like Windows.

This simple change would make the phone about 1000x more productive than now - thoughts?
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrewkeith5:
Whatever do you need two hundred applications for???

I have around 50 apps installed on my WP7, and everything I need it for is covered. It is significantly easier to remember the names of 50 apps than 200, especially considering most apps on WP7 have reasonable names "London Travel", "Groceries", etc...

With the jump list feature in mango, it will become easier to page through a long list of apps as the app list will replicate the naviation of the people list, where you can click on any letter, then the letter you want, and jump straight to where you need to be.

I personally like the simplicity of the tiles and apps. I agree that another page on the left, where you could select a bunch of "frequently used, but not so frequently that I want them as live tiles" apps, would be a definite improvement though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrmgic:
Here's what grouping the app list looks like -
[Windows Phone 7 General] adiliyo:
you can artificially group them on your start screen by doing something like this:

http://www.wpcentral.com/organise-your-start-screen-live-tiles

personally, the ability to add something to a hub, or to just have the option for folders would be helpful for people who want more control over the organization of apps, but i have maybe 50 apps installed and rarely do i find i'm missing an app for something.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
So now we are being judged for having too many apps? What business is it of yours (or anyone's) how many apps someone else has on their phone?

For people who have more use for their phone than 50 apps can satisfy, the current system, even with the jump list, is woefully inadequate. Too many app developers think they can be "clever" by giving their app a name that really has little bearing on its use. When you get too many of these on your phone, it becomes annoyingly difficult to remember the obscure names of all of these apps, so even the jump list and search features don't really help much.

Adding the option to pin apps to the top of the list (and then be able to drag them into a preferred order, similar to the way live tiles can be dragged around) would be a huge benefit to many of us. Even a "most recently used" list or the ability to group by marketplace category would help.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Nah man, it's just because you're so used to working with the 4x4 grid. Your brain is gonna pick up working with WP7 and you'll start remembering the names of apps, at least ones that you use frequently.

Worst case my friend, use the voice option to open the name of the app

OR

Hit the Magnifying glass and do a search of the functionality that you're looking for. Mango has it where it'll suggest apps for the tasks that you want to do.

As a tangent, I can't even imagine drilling down through so many levels of folders to find what I'm looking for, at least on a phone, that just sounds nuts to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adiliyo:
i didn't know mango had that as a feature, neat!
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
tired of these threads with these lousy childish complaints. use the jumplist, search feature or pin your most used apps to the start screen!!!! and be done with it, that's what it's there for!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Localhorst86:
Ok, so everyone always says "use the jump list" or "use the search function...

There is no jumplist. I have 86 apps in my applist and there's no jumplist.

There is no search. When I press the search button, I get the bing search. If I enter the name of any of my apps, all it gives me is bing search results. "Web" and "News". There's no option to search/find apps.

So please either stop telling use to use these non-existing features or tell us how to enable them. Until then: I want groups as well!
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Not to pile on, but if you can't find a currency converter app on your phone that you installed in a list of 40 apps, maybe the phone isn't the problem. Additionally, if you believe finding an app within multiple pages with multiple sub genres is less confusing, I just don't know what to say.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N0MN0M:
It's not too bad of a suggestiong, not sure why some are taking it so personally. Right now it's not a big deal but later on when you have a lot of apps, then it may be nice to have grouping. It will also probably look better visually, then just a plain list.

On the other hand, as others have already mentioned there are ways to get around it now, use the voice command.. it's works great. Or use the search grid. Or pin if you have too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Localhorst86:
while voice launching works surprisingly well, I'd just feel stupid in public (city, train) to yell "start nyan!"...
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
then PIN THE APP!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
And needlessly clutter the start screen. Brilliant idea, that one.:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I'm assuming you don't have Mango. In Mango, you have the following

1. Jump list is activated when you have greater than 4X (I forget the exact number) apps

2. I just did a search for "restaurant reviews" and the first result is the Yelp icon with the ability to launch the app. It is under the web tab. In addition, there is a search button in the app list (under the arrow)
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You are piling on, and you know it ;).

But let's take your specific example. I have the XE currency converter app on my phone. The problem is, in an effort to be clever, they put the "XE" in the icon, and called the app "Currency". So, looking at it in the list you still see "XE Currency".

If I used it every day, I'd get used to that. But I don't use it every day (and therefore DON'T, I repeat DON'T want to pin it to the start screen). And, the few times I have used it, my mind has focused on the fact that it is XE (since that has always been its name on the web site I've used for the past ten years, i.e. xe.com). Unfortunately, you won't find it under X in the list, but under C. And in a list of 150+ apps, it tends to get lost fairly quickly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Seriously people, stop bashing others for not wanting to just settle for something less or not be like everyone else. Having groups/folders/etc. is a good suggestion. Also, a lot of your suggestions are for Mango, which many of us don't want to run yet as you loose a lot of homebrew on it nevermind it's Beta. So, in the end, stop crying because someone has a complaint or is giving constructive criticism. While you may like it exactly as is, not everyone does & having choices is better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
And you really don't see how monumentally inefficient it is to have to open bing and type in "restaurant reviews" and wait for the search results, just to launch an app that is already installed? I think that new feature of bing is more intended to help people recognize that an app they already have offers a feature they didn't know about or to allow them to install the app if they don't already have it, not to provide an efficient means to launch an app that you are already familiar with.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
apps u most commonly use on a daily basis aren't " needless clutter" and its not MS' problem that u don't want to actually use the start screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You really need to pay more attention to what is written in the thread before responding. Read this again:
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
It is slow, but so is digging through a list of icons or names without knowing what the app is. I was making the point for when you forget what an app is named, which is hopefully the exception not the rule.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Oh, I agree. But that is why I think a "Favorites hub" or at least some kind of enhancement would be useful. As a general rule, people remember things by position/location better than by name.

Being able to take an app and pin it to a specific location improves one's ability to remember where it is. Now, while the Start screen is a great place to pin things, it is ridiculous to say that every app should be pinned there if you want to find it. I already have 50+ (non-live tile) apps pinned to my start screen (in addition to the dozen live tiles I have), some because I use them every day, and others because they get "lost" in the completely unmanageable app list on my phone. I don't want any more clutter there. It defeats the primary purpose of the Start screen, which is glance and go live tiles. And besides, with too many pinned apps eventually navigating the start screen becomes no better than the app list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
You do realize there's a limit to how many tiles you can have on the start screen. Also, the whole point of the start screen, is live tiles. Not all apps have live tiles & therefore are wasting a tile just for it to be a short cut. If that's what it's for, than why not just use a grid of icons & fit more onscreen. So, what you say just makes no sense for what Live Tiles is all about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
That I like, pin that to your start screen & have it show all your frequency or not so frequently used apps at the ready. Great idea indeed! Doesn't effect the applist so those who like it as is would be happy while giving an extra enhancement for those who'd like to have a favorites thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
WRONG!!!! MS stated that the start screen can also be for the apps that one would use the most and there is no limit. there's only a limit on live tiles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bahraniii:
I agree with that,, I forgot some programs names that already I have. Mango will have grouping for people list, it will be very nice if they make same grouping in programs list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Okay, misunderstood what they meant by Mango increasing the limit, but no need for the bold font. That's rather childish.

This also doesn't change the fact that 173 pixel x 173 pixel tiles for nothing more than a shortcut is a waste of space, end of story. Why not give the ability to have smaller icons for shortcuts. Robodad is right when he said, what's the point of adding everything to the start screen. It'll become just as hard to find something as the applist. Also, may I remind you, the whole theme behind WP7 is to get in, do what you want to do, & get on with your life. Searching through cluttered lists is time consuming & against MS's own commercial's motto.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Oh yay we get to turn WP7 into Android and iPhone. Hell let's just revert back to the good 'old windows mobile start menu.

Not really trying to offend you guys with hundreds of apps but all of you knew what the design of the OS would be like when you adopted it. I mean from what I understood about WP7 when it was first demoed was that it was about functionality and efficiency and less about staring at your phone.

If it bugs you that much then switch to Android or iPhone.

But with that said, I respect the idea of a favorites hub, though personally that's as far as I'd push it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
I guess they didn't count on the laziness or forgetfulness of people?
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
So let me get this right. You rather people settle for what they don't like & isn't very efficient rather than be innovative & fix the issues. Than, you go one step further to insult them by calling them lazy & forgetful. Also, how would this one simple thing make WP7 anything like WM or Android? Categorizing things just makes sense & is already in WP7 for Games & the Office apps. So, why not add a few extra categories or even better, RoboDad's idea of a "Favorite Hub" (One Tile to replace many).

EDIT: There is one constant theme I see in threads offering criticism or new ideas for WP7. A bunch of people afraid of change or any criticism of WP7. Always saying these ideas are going to make WP7 more like WM/Android. Now let me get one thing across. I have WP7 (T-Mobile HD7) & love it, but I still see it's faults. MS needs to know these faults/complaints, so they can fix them & enhance the already great OS they made. You can't make everyone happy, but you must try your hardest to do so for the majority.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
I don't really see any inefficiency. Then again I don't have 100+ apps either. The apps I do have fit my life fine. I don't need one app to do one thing or have several apps with overlapping redundancies.

Neither do I think I'm insulting them by calling them lazy. If the goal of the OS design was to get on with your life and communicate rather than stare at your screen all day then, for me at least, it's done it's job.

As for the going back to Android, iPhone comment I was referencing the folders/sub folders.

I'm not saying categorizing things doesn't make sense, which is why I wasn't adverse to a Favorites hub.

What you call faults others may find no objections. I'll call it a "fault" when the majority of consumers demand it.

Perhaps some people are afraid of change or criticism of WP7, I'm certainly not. Of course, you have to consider the possible reason they may have such feelings is because the current design of the OS and it's philosophy was part of the primary reason for liking WP7 in the first over Android or iPhone which are essentially becoming closer clones of each other. They have an equal say in the direction as much as you do is all I'm saying. Whether it's "right" or "wrong" is something only Joe Belfiore et al can say.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You know, that argument is starting to wear really thin (not just from you, but from all of the people who somehow think any idea that didn't originate with Microsoft is somehow inferior and wrong.

Yes, I knew what the design was when I bought the phone. It was incomplete. Even Microsoft as acknowledged as much. Or are you trying to say that the changes in Mango are horrible, because they weren't part of the original design?

Microsoft clearly underestimated the app market for WP7 when they designed the app list. The mere addition of the jump list and search capability prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. You seem to think that those two additions, neither of which were in the original product (and therefore could not be used by me or any customer in making the decision to buy a WP7 phone last year), are sufficient to accommodate all users' app needs. I have a different opinion. If you want to continue to try to belittle that opinion, feel free. Just don't expect much in return.

There is always that possibility. Whether I still support WP7 a year from now is all up to Microsoft. If they continue to enhance the product, and do so in ways that improve the efficiency and convenience of the phone for me, then I'll stick with it. If not, then I won't have any qualms about moving to an Android phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
I have over 80 apps and i always find the apps that i want to use.
[Windows Phone 7 General] singularity0821:
Mango has these features...
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I don't have 100+ apps either nor do I need apps the have redundancies like you said, but the fact remains that a lot of people do. I have maybe 45-50 apps at most. Just some bear basics & I can already see what people are complaining about. While it's not that bad for me, I can see it being a problem for them. I call this a fault as MS motto for WP7 is "get on with your life". If you are spending a lot of time searching through long lists for apps, than, you are not "getting on with your life" & that makes it a fault.

This all started with iPhone/Android & their market places. For WP7 to make it, it must take into consideration what the majority wants as you said. And, the majority are app hungry people who have 100+ apps. Yes, folders & sub folders isn't good, but this isn't what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting categorizing or the favorites hub idea. I kind of like the favorites hub better as categorizing will be more like having folders. Where the favorites hub is a simple way to find your most frequently used apps without cluttering the start screen.

BTW, you may not consider calling someone lazy or forgetful as not being an insult, but it still is. They are derogatory terms & therefore insults. While I openly admit I am lazy, most people would take offense to that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
It isn't that we never find the app we want. It's about the amount of time wasted in doing so. Time that could be saved if the app list interface were properly enhanced, e.g. a Favorites hub.

The apologists keep saying that enhancing the app list would ruin the get in, get done, get out paradigm of WP7. But the unfortunate truth is that the lack of an enhancement is breaking that paradigm for me in a big way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Mango isn't released yet. Even when it's released, I doubt I'll upgrade on day one till we've hacked it & have registry editors & file explorers as we do in NoDo.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
It's this, "if I like it as is, so should you attitude," that is the problem. No 2 people are the same. They have different opinions & tastes. This is why Android is doing so well. People can make their devices truly theirs & reflect their personalities. No matter how fluid WP7 may be, there's always be people who'll want Android over WP7 even with it's performance/battery issue just because of that. Customization is key to everything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Well said. I for one love the whole UI and UX and have no issues with my applist which contains about 70 or so apps. But I really like RoboDad's idea with the favorite hub. That's absolutely metro and would fit perfectly into the system. So +1 on that. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Thanks! I wish I could paint a picture for you right now how how I envision the favorites hub (I've had it churning in my mind since the day I bought my phone :) last December). Conceptually, it is very cool, at least to me, and very flexible. And (IMO) it fits the Metro UI perfectly, despite one "grid-like" display option ;).

Maybe I'll try to mock up the look and feel in Photoshop over the next few days and post it.