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[Atrix 4G General] Uggo:
What other approach could they take to make it fair for everyone?

I feel like we have a society where people take advantage of a situation, and as soon as they get called on it, they act surprised. Did you sign a contract for unlimited data? Sure. I'm honestly not positive about this, but I'm assuming it doesn't actually mention throttling anywhere on there.

And as far as all the Sprint praise goes, I know folks who have to pay $10 bucks extra a month for 4g that ACTUALLY doesn't exist in their area. You can moan and groan about AT&T's idea of 4g sucking, but at least they aren't charging you extra for it.
[Atrix 4G General] iphone4:
You know there is a way to get it back using the iphone 2g or original iPhone so it's up to you
[Atrix 4G General] Uggo:
Don't want it now, it's throttled ;)
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
I think that it is amazing that AT&T has the money to make a "4G" network, continually increase data speeds, and is switching over to LTE later on this year, but can't handle the demand for data.
[Atrix 4G General] projectdownset:
Many people have had unlimited data for a long time. I have been paying $30 for data before there was an iphone or android and only a few people wanted to pay that much more for mobile data. It is now common but that doesn't mean people who have been using it for years have to change their usage because a bunch of people get a smart phone to update their facebook. Sorry I like to watch baseball on my phone and listen to my Google music, that is my choice. I am glad you decided to get a smartphone but I shouldn't be punished to make room for you.
[Atrix 4G General] Phoneguy589:
Because I've been paying for unlimited data since the day the offered it so $60 a month for 2 data plans X 4 years....hmmm thats close to $3000. I don't abuse the unlimited data like the few % they claim are so I think I shouldn't have to worry if I go over 2gig, my netflix or blockbuster which I pay additional for won't work because they throttle it back. Not my fault you missed out on the unlimited data plan. I have a 6 year old and a 12 year old I pay $25 a mo each for 2 gig plans so they can watch netflix on the hour ride bus trip to school and back. I'd gladly pay $5 more for each so I don't have to babysit their accounts to make sure they don't go over. So don't call me a cry baby.
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
+1 reminds me of paying the $30 a month for years, when they decided that I need a Smartphone unlimited data plan while I was using less than 250 mb/mo... old windows mobile days.
[Atrix 4G General] JohnnyDanger:
+ 1

I was trying to figure how i was going to say just about what you said without sounding like a douche. Well said.
[Atrix 4G General] dratsablive:
I very rarely tether, maybe one or twice a month. But I do listen to C-Span in the mornings, and listen to Tune-In Radio on a daily basis. My average data usage is over 2gb a month (I do a lot of picture messaging and uploads to facebook). But I pay for unlimited data. It's not like I am using it to Bit Torrent and use as my major ISP.
[Atrix 4G General] Phoneguy589:
I've used my lapdock 4 times I think. I enable hotspot in the car if my daughter wants to download "cooking mama" or something. I stream Netflix to the seat monitors and run the input into the stock nav unit when we go to Orlando or wherever. I spend $110 on data a month..thats almost 3X what I pay for my uverse 12mb plan capped at 250gig. They should offer a family unlimited data plan LOL. I didn't mean to sound like a douche but I pay a lot of $ and I work for AT&T. I get a slight discount on my home service but not on cellular where I pay $250 a month for.
[Atrix 4G General] scoob8000:
Yeah I'm also sick of the crybabies. (Those of you who think you are in the top 5%) Do you have any idea what the top 5% even is?

I would say that top 5% of users are the ones hitting the network so hard, they're the ones forcing carriers to cap plans.

Bottom line, unless its your only source of internet there is no need to consume 40gb of cellular bandwidth a month.

I remember my nearly hour long bus ride to school. We didn't have cell phones then, we talked with our friends to pass the time. I guess this is a digital world now though (sadly at times).

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[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
It's easy. I'm going to let my contract run out and switch to sprint. Unlimited and no throttling.
[Atrix 4G General] projectdownset:
When at&t introduced the 2gb plans they said 95% of their customers with smartphones use less than that. So we can guess that the 5% heavy users will be anything over 2gb. No one is "forcing" the carriers to cap plans. As the merger goes through we are left with less competition and less of a chance for the telecom companies to encourage data usage.
[Atrix 4G General] markh7999:
If i remember correctly its more like 80% of total traffic is used by the top 5% and they said average user is somethink,2gb and the top 5% are over 40gb per month. It was a crazy gap.
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they back out of throttling Uverse/DSL customers? I mean, I know they announced they were going to do it, but I know they're not throttling me at 750-1.5tb per month. I believe it was a big publicity stunt to make people stop dropping their TV services, making them believe netflix was going to be super expensive. I believe this is the same case here. They want this to be a big publicity stunt to help their T-mobile merger go through.

I'm not on a contract (got a sim only to use with my Galaxy S2), I used 10gb this month, and the second I get a phone call about my usage (as they've said they would do, to notify you first with a grace period) I'll immediately cancel my service. My main number is my google voice number already, my att number isn't known by anyone. I'm one quick decision away from a new carrier. Try me :)
[Atrix 4G General] Noodles5666:
**** so I guess me downloading the Lion OSX OS was not a good idea?
[Atrix 4G General] nosit1:
What are they going to do, throttle me to below EDGE? All we have is 2G towers here.
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
GPRS baby, 14.4kbps :) Totally wouldn't put it past 'em either
[Atrix 4G General] mormegil83:
I don't know if this has started in my area or what, but today i hit 2GB and speedtest app keeps showing down speed~100kbps, but upload is still good... I'll be pissed and be asking to be released from both my contracts if this is the case.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Agreed. If the cap is 2gb I'm out.
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
Same here. Bring it on.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
My contract expired somewhere last spring, and I'm not comfortable extending it with them.

Every year since they gotten the iPhone, they floated some major (negative) change out there.

Before the iPhone, none of this BS happened... :(
[Atrix 4G General] scotty7910:
does this really belong in the motorola atrix general section?
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I think it does. I'd like to know what my Atrix peers think about upcoming changes, plus it helps to spread the news...
[Atrix 4G General] Pizzaapu:
I just went over my 4gigs in 2 weeks ha ha : ( called AT&T and they gave me an extra gig for free. ( I was driving across the whole manifest destiny)
[Atrix 4G General] JohnnyDanger:
If thats right then i truly have nothing to worry about. How does one even use 40gb of data on a wireless plan? Im sure its torrents and whatnot but damn..
[Atrix 4G General] yiyo:
thats what im thinking since mine is on edge i usually always have hspa but today its been acting wierd this month so far ive used almost 5gb.
[Atrix 4G General] TechRebel:
Wow 40Gb is insane, the BEST I managed to do was 16Gb and that was when my household internet/phone line was down for a month and my phone was my sole internet connection.
[Atrix 4G General] darkbluexplorer:
Ya i think my average since February is like 3gb cause i use my wireless at home. i do stream music from my hometown of Seattle while i work (they wont let me stream on the work computer), but i don't stream any video. they want to throttle it fine but why not offer an app that you can set your data rate on your phone so you don't use your allotted quota of data so fast. that makes more sense for people with common sense.. (NOT CRYBABYS or IPHONE users) HAHAHAHA he made me laugh with that rant.. sorry :)
[Atrix 4G General] gonka95:
What kind of plan do you have that it costs that much? I have 4 smartphones, 3 with 2g and one with unlmtd, 450 mins, and unlimited text, sms. I pay abt 220 a month. You're right about ATT speeds, they totally suck. I was trying to download an app today and I kept having to step outside at work(no coverage at home). That's with three bars on H+!
[Atrix 4G General] gonka95:
You know, Charter was throwing around the idea of cell phones but it never happened. That would have been the sh*t! Too bad, they never complain about too much internet use.

I priced around and ATT was the best deal for what I needed. The second was TMobile, Verizon, Sprint, and US Cellular was "I need to get a second job to pay for this".
[Atrix 4G General] ahoymehearties:
Normally I'd be all "OMG NET NEUTRALITY" over this, but I'm not too worried as I rarely get over 768k. Thank goodness I'm connected to WiFi 90% of the time.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Every generation there should be a revolution. And many revolutions are needed for many different reasons. And since we are talking cell phones here i think everybody in america should drop their line or let their contract run its course. Then... then... viva la revolution!!!

Sent from the coolest voided warranty phone ever.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
The "option" should always be there...
[Atrix 4G General] Z_Black:
I typically use between 3-5 gigs but I don't worry about any sort of data usage since I'm on the unlimited plan. The only thing I tether is my Iconia and that's typically just for browsing around. I use Google Music a fair bit on my phone itself, but I think the majority would be downloading podcasts that get updated throughout the day and I don't have access to wifi.

I'd be curious to see how much data is used from my normal browsing/app habits without any additional downloading/streaming.

While I doubt I'm in the top 5%, I certainly hope they don't slow speeds down as they just barely bumped Edge out of my area.
[Atrix 4G General] zizux:
Here are the facts.

Fact #1 Faster internet is getting faster while also being cheaper and cheaper. (I'm talking for ISP's)

Fact #2 With faster intercommunication the same amount of data causes a smaller and smaller load.

Fact #3 Companies such as AT&T and Comcast are claiming that they are capping data and or throttling it because the network is suffering. (aka the top 5% are using 80% of the network connectivity that isn't fair.... BLA BLA BLA)

Essentially they realize that most people don't understand that their claims fly in the face of logic. The truth is they are setting the stage to simply increase their profits.

As an IT Guy who happens to work at a law firm I'm seriously trying to get one of our associates to consider a class action lawsuit against this sort of BS.

If they were upfront with the limitations from the get go then that would be one thing, but they have been pulling the bait and switch or changing the terms in the middle of contracts.

Contracts are binding legal documents that apply to both parties. AT&T and the like breach or void their own contracts all the time because they know 99.99% of people won't call them on it.
[Atrix 4G General] Simba501:
THIS!!! ^^^^

Sent from the most interesting device in the world.
[Atrix 4G General] jank0023:
FYI guys, just got off with ATT on some other bill related items and asked the guy about the data throttling. Last month I hit 5GB, first time I've ever gone that high usually average around 3GB. I asked him want equates to top 5% and he said in the 4-5GB range is getting close to the top 5%.

Just a heads up, he said he didn't think I'd get my data throttled looking at my past usage.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Or he doesn't know the throttle cap himself...
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
Out of curiosity is this 5% a static number? As in say this month the top 5% used 30gigs next month the top 5% use 15gigs so basically as the abusers jump ship it lowers the amount you get to use till getting throttled. I doubt it's recalculated monthly but I'm sure you can see where I'm going.
[Atrix 4G General] bmwbryan:
It's too bad that they have overages after 2gig.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
They don't if you have unlimited data.
[Atrix 4G General] klub242:
Yeah, I just talked to them today and they confirmed it won't affect my grandfathered unlimited plan.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Heres what the Buisness Data Support person said

"there is a data cap on the top 5% highest users. This will depend on a monthly basis on the usage of all customers. The customers in the top 5% using massive data will have there data throttled. There will be notices sent to each user before the throttle begins."

So it looks like its purely graded on a scale.
[Atrix 4G General] BraveDemon:
Don't other service providers already do this?
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Yes. Only Sprint doesnt so far (at least the top 4 in the US)
[Atrix 4G General] hotleadsingerguy:
I don't understand people that complain about AT&T's speed...maybe in your area it's bad but here in Cleveland it's great. It doesn't start to really slow down until you're over an hour outside of the city, and it still maintains some semblance of speed.

Right now, about a quarter-mile from the lake (at work), I am speedtesting at around 5mbps down and around 750kbps up. I think that's completely fine.

Then again my Galaxy Tab 10.1 on Verizon's LTE is connected at just over 10mbps down and about 1.5mbps up...and it's easily broken 18mbps at times.
[Atrix 4G General] jzaslice:
Made it to the top 5%...

Just got a text and email today from ATT. I'm in the top 5% ! I made it!

Just to give you guys an idea of where i'm coming from tho. Been home from school all summer, my mom has a slow cable connection and no wireless router so yeah I've tethered here and there while at home. I also do stream alot or download music, both from my phone or when tethering my comp. It all added up in the past 2 months i guess, I think june or July I was at 11gb of data use, and July or August I was at 19gb. I don't expect to be at that level of use again since school starts this week which has wifi all across campus of course. Normally i'm at around 2-4gb during the month. So yeah a little run down if anyone was wondering if they would hit the top 5%...I knew I would lol
[Atrix 4G General] cerps:
Can I ask what method you were using to tether? They know you're using tons of data, but didn't hassle you for tethering so I'd assume your method flies under the radar.
[Atrix 4G General] netter159:
lol thats it? I tethered over 140 gigs, including torrenting overnight at work and so on, also when I was between internets. However i did NOT get any texts, letters, or notice any change in speed.
[Atrix 4G General] jzaslice:
yeah that's it. I haven't needed to use torrents nor would I use my phone for that any way. But i'm guessing the time you hit that high was a while ago since they just started the whole top 5% this summer announcing it would be in effect by October.

i'm not sure if they are able to monitor the way your data is being used like they do the iPhones, so if your tethering using any method I don't think it really matters. I've always used barnacle, it's so easy, it doesn't create an actual wifi hotspot but rather an ad-hoc network. I'll bet it will be a long while before they start hassling Android users for tethering plans, least I hope.

EDIT: Just Kidding, they just emailed me as soon as I pressed submit telling me to jump on a tethering plan. If att

decides to change my plan I'll seriously just change carriers.

EDIT2: Just got off the phone with ATT customer service (Theyre all so great huh?) anyways she said they detected tethering and i asked how and she provided a layman type explanation. They are able to detect where the data starts and ends, she said they can see if it starts on the phone and ends say on a laptop. which not sure if thats exactly what happens. im beginning to wonder if maybe they just see very high data use and assume tethering is being used. hope they dont find me posting this lol. but anyway im not gonna worry about it really, once school starts ill be back using round 3-4 gigs im guessing. oh and also the top 5% will always vary she said, by the amount of traffic goin in and out of the network it will change monthly. everyone should use 10gb of data to raise that threshold haha.
[Atrix 4G General] epoh:
If you are using an app you got off the marketplace, I'm assuming that makes it a bit easier for them to track. I've tethered for ages on my atrix and on the phones I've had prior (the tilt2 and an old htc winmo) but never utilized any sort of pre-made app for it.
[Atrix 4G General] antuus:
Thank you for my tiered data plan. You should have had your service terminated the first month you hit this.
[Atrix 4G General] kisnerct:
Can someone explain this to me? I ran the data USSD the other day and they sent me this ::

Data (MB): 1717.5 of Unlimited

Data (MB): 1968 of Unlimited (Deactivated)

What does the inactivated one mean? Everything is still working fine so I'm just a bit confused.
[Atrix 4G General] brashmadcap:
Thank you seriously. What the **** is wrong with you people? You are proud of your flagrantly excessive consumption of a finite resource?

And don't LULZ I PAID FOR UNLIMITED ITS MINE!!!1 There are limits. The imagine if this were electricity or water. Even though in theory we can make more of the former it still affects others.
[Atrix 4G General] kisnerct:
I agree that some people use wayyyyy too much and abuse the system...but, I hope this is sarcasm; aree you really comparing data to water, a natural resource?
[Atrix 4G General] meet2x4:
Couldn't have said it any better :) And as far as I can tell, this whole throttling thing wasn't disclosed to me when I signed my contract with AT&T. To me that screams breach of contract since they're altering my plan and I'm not agreeing to have my data throttled.
[Atrix 4G General] kisnerct:
+1 for class action lawsuit.
[Atrix 4G General] voltmeter101:
too bad cellular data is the only option at my house :(

no dsl, or cable. unfortunatly i'm proabably one of those users that uses 20 - 30 gb a month on my i pad. if you were in the same boat i am in maybe you would change your attitude about data caps and throtles
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Lets put this in perspective, you almost use more in a month than I do in 2 years...
[Atrix 4G General] kisnerct:
I agree with you...but I'm sure there's some sort of fine print b.s. clause that lets at&t change whatever they want when they want buried in the contract.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
Yeah there is always fine print. Also when you when you get a cell or w credit card you sign that you agree not to sue them. Forgot what the terminology is.
[Atrix 4G General] malickie:
Well the main issue here is that Every Carrier never thought Data would get used so much that they are having issues with data flowing through their systems so much and Can't keep up with the Demand. So basically supply and demand issue where they CANT Supply so Rather than FIX it they will just screw people over who actually USE their data as opposed to the Old Grandpa who never uses data but are FORCED into having a Data plan. I would say lets stop FORCING people who Never use the data plan into having data which would actually probably free up 30% of their data off the top and than actually FIX the problem with your networks.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Yet they still push forward with LTE using the same tiers.

That's why I'm not terribly excited about LTE...
[Atrix 4G General] klub242:
Interestingly enough, I just got this text:

" AT&T Free Msg: Did you know tethering your Smartphone to a computer requires a tethering plan? Pls call 866-975-0004 for details or visit att.com/dataplans."

I'm on a 2 year old grandfathered unlimited plan with an Atrix. The funny thing is that I can't recall tethering in over a month since I moved to somewhere that actually has wifi. Not sure if this was an actual public FYI or an indirect passive-aggressive hint though. Anyone else get it?
[Atrix 4G General] erraz:
I got it and I tethered 3 days ago
[Atrix 4G General] compuw22c:
Just out of curiosity, how much data have you guys used to get this message? I'm trying to figure out "where the line is".

Also it may be worth mentioning that I have never gotten any mention of my tethering (which I do) however I am using an international i9100 with tethering built in (you know, how Google and manufacturers design the phones before our US carriers get their dirty fingers in it). I believe as long as your APNs are correct (in other words, removed the "mobilebroadband" or tethering apn) and you're on a non-att phone there's no way for them to tell what you're doing. I've also put my sim into my CR48 without ever receiving any kind of sms...

I think we need our wonderful government to give these wireless companies more free money to "build out mobile broadband" so they can turn around and profit off us taxpayers and customers that made them what they are...

I know it would never happen, but what the world would really do the world a great deal of good right now is a new UNLICENSED wireless band at a useful frequency (not this 2.4ghz BS that travels nowhere and gets absorbed by water) for the purpose of a free, worldwide wireless mesh. Just think, no more wireless OR wireline caps (seriously ATT, you want to cap landlines too and we all know you and comcast own the majority of the data lines in this country, many of which were paid for by our tax dollars then 'privatized' or given to private industries for free, to then use against us). You buy a wireless router, with both wifi and this new band. You connect via wifi, the routers communicate with each other over this long-range band.

No censoring, no throttling, and most importantly, the internet goes back to the way it once was. A place for unfiltered, uncontrolled freedom of speech. A system that can be deployed by anyone with a power hookup in countries that that oppress their people by controlling access and speech on the internet.

I know, this is America, and unless a politician or corporate drone is being stroked nobody is interested in helping fix anything. But its nice to dream right?
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Only text I got was about allowing me to call any mobile phone without using minutes now. I tether all the time with my phone (lapdock), have yet to get served, and I have 6GB down this month due to Netflix, Slacker, and G-Music.

It's nice to dream! Too bad it's turning into a nightmare right now.
[Atrix 4G General] Simba501:
I got the text and I'm only at 3gigs of usage and my billing cycle is over in a week. My GF got it too. Only time will tell if it was a non-directed fyi.

If they try something funny with my unlimited data plan, I'm cancelling (which is something I'm prepared to deliver on). If and when I have to talk to retention, the only thing that'll stop me from cancelling is me keeping my unlimited data.