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[HTC EVO 3D] linzgeneral:
I take exception to your "idiot" label but I digress. I don’t care about software that’s beside the point. When I buy a phone purported to have an excellent camera, now where do I see the software being advertised. I have no clue and I don’t think you do either of what type of lens or technical imaging apparatus HTC is using. All I know is that the package or combination or relevant elements/parts that produce a photograph is subpar and an embarrassment for the caliber of phone that this is supposed to be. When you consider all of the good camera phones, never do you have to segregate lens from software to justify shortcomings. You simply hear whether a camera is good or not – how crisp and vibrant a pic looks. If the software is a bad as you and other proponents suggest then I would imagine that HTC is well aware of this.

The fact that the company continues to produce products with this type of performance speaks volumes. Apparently they cared enough to fix the software on the my touch 4g. Your constant and irrelevant argument that a 6.1 lens on a Nikon is better than an 8mp on a camera phone is downright asinine – no ****. You are comparing apples to oranges. Let’s compare a 6.1 Nikon to an 8mp Nikon. Do you still think the 6.1 will be better? Of course not, mp do matter again all things like quality being equal. This like buying a car that’s supposed to be competing in the Daytona 500 only to find out the car can’t run worth a damn. Or you really going to sit here and tell me that the engine is fine but the tires are just bad. How about giving me a car with a good engine and tires like everyone else in the race? You guys need to stop making excuses, the camera sucks if you can’t snap a pic and be happy…no matter the reason which is at best guess-work.
[HTC EVO 3D] linzgeneral:
I would be a liar if i didn't say that those looked good -great even. That being said, I have had two phones and cant come close to those and I have tried every setting imaginable. The first time I learned about changing settings was with using this phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
Are you serious? So a 1.2 Ghz computer is gonna out perform my 3.2 Ghz computer or your 175 HP car has more power than my 425 HP car? Either you don't know what the **** you are talking about or you choose bad analogies. In cameras the MPs may not matter much but you are trying to compare apples to oranges. And I doubt any amount of software fixes are gonna help this camera. I ran almost every ROM & every kernel for the OG Evo & Hero and not one ever did anything for the camera & I don't see that happening with the 3D. We are gonna have to accept the fact that we have a great phone with a bull**** camera. After living with the OG Evo's camera for a year I got over the 3D's BS camera the first day. I hoped it would be better but wasn't that surprised from past experiences with HTC phones.
[HTC EVO 3D] linzgeneral:
Ditto! I agree.
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
You guys that keep saying the camera "sucks" are crazy. Or maybe your expectations were just way too unrealistic because to call some of the pictures here "poor" "bad" or anything resembling that is nothing short of ridiculous. And just for the record, yes a 1.2ghz computer CAN be faster than a 3.2ghz computer since there's more variables to computer speed outside of CPU clock speed. And yes a 175HP car can and has beaten 425hp cars because again.. performance isn't just measured by "horsepower". Btw do yourself the favor and don't even try to argue with me about the car analogy. So maybe YOU don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

Here's an idea... Buy a flip phone and duck tape a nice Nikkon to it... MAYBE THEN you'll have a good camera phone good enough for your expectations
[HTC EVO 3D] The Dark Knight Patriot:
Sucks? This thing doesn't have anywhere near the night-time photo/video issues that the EVO 4G has. I've taken multiple night-shots and night-time video recordings, and this thing is as smooth as butter.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
The FINAL WORD:

And I'll put it another way that's been put here:

The camera BLOWS. THAT make better sense! :

All these elaborate rationalizations!

As smartphone camera manufacturers go (SonyEricsson, Apple, HTC, Samsung).... HTC has had the crappiest cameras in the industry....this one included...on a device where the camera is FEATURED. It BLOWS. Can it and will it be better? Yes. With setting manipulation and root: They all are.

As shipped...it blows!

If your not scared to compare...check out the Within when it drops

the IPhone, even the Photon. They have camera's that don't really blow.

Those are facts fellow Evo lovers. It's Ok.

Deal with them.

Fortunately as of the MyTouch Slider, HTC seems to have turned the corner on this issue.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Look what happens when you complain :D

This cam is bad ass man see what happend to the bettle that *****ed :D he was a pinhead lol.

All jokes a side this cam kicks asss look at how sexy the pics are :D
[HTC EVO 3D] Eat it iPhone:
The camera is far better then the Evo 4G. Low light especially. I have yet to have the flash white out a picture. I havent even changed the default settings. The only problem i have had is that in lower light/higher iso pictures, using the hardware shutter button can cause the camera to move and thus create blurry images...

The solution is simple, use the on screen shutter button, and viola...your not making the camera move while you snap a pic. I have a gallery of pictures ive taken available to view on my facebook page in the link in my sig. If you continue having issues maybe you got a defective unit...tho prob not.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
Ok so how is performance measured in cameras smart guy? Because almost every smartphone comparable to Evo 4G at the time, blew it away when it came to the camera. Cameras of lesser MP included. And now we have the Evo 3D and those phones still take better pictures even though they are a year + older. So what analogy can you give us to tell us why the cameras on HTC phones always suck when compared to the competion? Especially with the camera being the main attraction on both the Evo 4g and Evo 3D. iPhone 4...no comparison. Galaxy S...no comparison. GSII....no comparison. About the only phones that HTC has a better camera than is probably Blackberry and believe me that ain't sayin much! So what magical software enhancement made the Evo 4g's camera better? NONE! It sucked from day one and continues to suck today and the 3D is sure to follow. Why? Because HTC sucks when it comes to putting decent cameras in their devices!
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
lol.... thank God I have good vision.. I'd hate to live in your world..
[HTC EVO 3D] subtyler:
Coming from a Samsung Vibrant I am just happy to have a phone with a flash. Been taking lots of 2d and 3d pictures, not sure what all the *****ing is about. I am perfectly happy with the quality of pictures the Evo 3d takes. Only small complaint is the green hue you get sometimes, especially in low light. A quick auto adjust usually fixes it. I am not a professional photographer by any means, but I am enjoying this camera.
[HTC EVO 3D] Jrex:
My 3vo takes awesome pictures, better than any smartphone I have used so far? This phone and camera is badass! "."
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
I like the dog pic, and I what reptile is the one I got a turtle but the damn thing can stay put to take a pic :(

If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d :P
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Awww i love turtles!

Appreciate my help? Thank me :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] subtyler:
It's a Leopard Gecko. He was unusually still tonight so I got a bunch of pics. His eyes are crazy.
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
Lucky, yeah i know those eyes look crazy nice pics tho

If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d :P
[HTC EVO 3D] ronnienyc:
I was disappointed too. Then I increased the sharpness and saturation in the camera app and it looks much better now. The original Evo did not need this adjustment imo.
[HTC EVO 3D] poweroutlet:
There is absolutely nothing "bad" about these analogies.

A 1.2 Ghz computer can absolutely outperform a 3.2 Ghz one. The "Ghz" you describe is nothing more than the clock frequency, only a single detail of the processor specification. For example, a Intel Sandy Bridge i7 clocked at 1.2 Ghz would absolutely destroy a Northwood based Celeron at 3.6 Ghz. The point here is that these keywords do mean something but alone they are not enough to claim something is good or bad. In the case of the processor, yes the clock frequency is important, but it is really meaningless until you consider other information, such as amount of cache, type of cache (Fully associative, set associative, etc), the CPU architecture (pipelined, superscaler, etc) and countless other details.

The same goes for cars. I could have a 1000 HP FWD civic and put it up against a 480 HP Nissan GTR. Despite the civic being lighter and having more power, the GTR would destroy the civic in both a straight line, in handling and even refinement. The GTR has the ATTESA AWD system that can very efficiently put down power. The GTR also comes with features such as launch control and a dual clutch transmission. The civic would just be burning its tires and struggling to put down its power. What use is power if you can't apply it? You see how you missed all these features when you were just talking about HP and ignoring the other information? Anyway I think you see my point now and if you don't I don't think I could explain this any better.

As for the Evo 3D's camera, I'm not claiming it will become magically better after we get custom roms. We know for a fact that the software is garbage and I'm sure we all know the hardware can do more. If we are lucky, someone with a good background in image/signal processing and photography can really improve the camera software. Probably unlikely, but my whole point is that the hardware is there, the software isn't. I'm with you when you say that the camera should have been better out of the box, completely agree but HTC seems to **** up with this over and over.
[HTC EVO 3D] LiquidSolstice:
ISO 100 is ridiculously dark for indoor pictures.
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
S

Ya that's way too low, but that's why I said for good lighting conditions. For indoor use 400 if there's no motion or 800 if you're taking a pictures with motion

And I have to disagree about the 1000hp civic losing to a 480hp gtr lol. A 1000ho civic with slicks is a mid to high-tech 8 second car and will trap at 160ish MPH. A solid 350hp civic could beat a gtr with slicks. On a roll it would destroy it.
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyfg:
Here is peoples real complaint.... Our cameras are...ok but the iPhone4 camera blows our camera away i have both and quite frankly you dont want to see pics ive taken with the 2 compared side by side... We can compare all of these specs ip4 vs 3vo and we win for the most part but the camera dept we fall way short IDK how to fix it i know its a problem
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
You missed his point there with the hp reference. A civic with that hp aline wint be better than the gtr. Hence clock speed alone isnt everything nor is MPs. BUT you add slicks to that civic amongst other things and u will take the gtr down 10fold...
[HTC EVO 3D] bludshot:
I completely agree that the camera is worth praising. I'm coming off a nexus one after having used multiple roms. That cam was decent at best. The 3vo cam blows it away without even trying, and again, same megapixels.

If you are looking for a phone to outshine your dlsr, this isn't it. It is, however, among the top camera phones out today, and yes, I mean in the same league as the iphone 4, galaxy s ii and nokia n8. Is it better than any of those? Probably not, I have not personally done any side by side comparisons, nor do I care to. Does that mean it's crap? Not by a longshot.

In the grand scheme of camera phones, it's still on the upper end, faulty software or not. It can take amazing shots with minimal effort. If you don't like messing with camera settings, then maybe you should opt for an iphone that does all the thinking for you, and still doesn't take the BEST pictures, but still very good ones. I will keep my 3vo that takes pictures better than most phones and on par with average point and shoot cameras.

Wow, this forum has descended into the mindset of tweens that don't agree as of late. Pathetic. That's why I hardly ever post. Grow up everyone.
[HTC EVO 3D] takethewall:
I always get blurry shots when using the camera button, but the on screen button works much better for me.

And yes, the camera isn't great. Optics quality is up from the OG EVO, but sensor quality is definitely down. 3D pictures are fun, 2D are just okay (maybe even a bit worse, low lighting looks awful), but I didn't buy the phone to take stunning shots. That's what I have my SLR for.
[HTC EVO 3D] TheSeanR:
Anybody ever read this article?

http://gizmodo.com/5572766/test-notes-iphone-4-camera

the camera sensor is great yes, but it had some help from the software
[HTC EVO 3D] Torrentula81:
I returned my evo on day 30. Couldnt stomach it. Kinda funny reading this with people trying to defend their investment rather admit it is a piece of crap cam. Have fun waiting 2 years for an update that wont come. The camera WAS what this phone supposed to be about. They hand out cracker jack toys for two year agreements. Locked boot, crap cam, useless cam button, disconects from 4g, poor bat life, ugly seido brick ext bat, charge time 3.5 hrs, the list goes on. And you want to defend the camera. Ok then. Should have got out while you could have. I know your kicking yourselves for keeping it. Lol
[HTC EVO 3D] u921333:
And what phone are u using that is a awesome camera? Because the thing is ... Wait for it .. wait for it ..... Its a PHONE buy a damn camera if u wanna be a photographer!
[HTC EVO 3D] aznmode:
The only thing that irked me about the camera was the green hue. But the latest OTA has fixed that. Also pictures do not come out as dim anymore. But I still adjust the contrast to 1 and pictures are much better now.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1224780
[HTC EVO 3D] LiquidSolstice:
Well ****.

Poor me. I still have my ****ty phone with it's dual core processer, its gig of RAM, the 30+ hours of battery life I'm getting from it, the full blown S-OFF, and--oh wait. Those are all good things.

Screw off. You were too impatient and whiny to wait for S-OFF, Now you don't have one. It's seriously your damn loss.

And really? You're going to use the the looks of a third party battery to describe the cons of the Evo? Man, I'm glad you left when you did. Imagine your illogical crap spamming up our dev forums.

I didn't "get out when I could have" because unlike you, I (and the rest of us) actually have more patience than a 10 year-old.
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
Such awful pictures..Def unacceptable for a phone...they are as blurry as the photons screen...
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Suck Evo ballz apple
[HTC EVO 3D] doctor ladd:
The Evo 3d camera is So much better than the Original Evo!

I was comparing pictures and videos the other day and couldnt believe the improvement in quality.

The camera button makes for some blurry pictures so I just use the on screen button and I'm all set.
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
Yea i agree..the camera button is a little stiff so it moves a little sometimes and blurs the shot..it would be nice if they could implement some type of image stabilization..I like the way they are going though with the mytouch 4G slide..it has a nice lens and apeture(sp?) But the way it takes photos is different..when you pull up the camera it is constantly taking and cacheing pictures..kind of like a video ..then when you press the button it matches the exact moment you pressed it to the timestamp on the cached photos...so...its software that we may be able to implement hopefully..
[HTC EVO 3D] aznmode:
Man throw that evo 3d in the trash. lol. Those pics are bad :D
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
Not a great quality photo but

Don't be zooming in on the boobs LOL jk..everyday pics but to me more than acceptable..just looked through the sgsII "best photos thread" and while it takes nice photos i don't think its that much better imo..
[HTC EVO 3D] oohaylima:
...........*zooms*
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
Well I was just playing with my og EVO (about to sell it ) and I don't see how it tales better pics I really think this phone takes some good photos , but after all they don't look really amazing since is just a phone LOL

Btw going to the EVO 4G feels so weird just by the resolution and the speed LOL love the kickstand tho ha ha

Not bad pic since is almost dark outside
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
Lmao
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
My.experience : the e3d takes excellent outdoor photos in good light...it is capable of nice macro shots (og evo had a hard time with) ..the flash is not as over powering as before...it takes decent indoor shots as well as low light ...but thats pretty much the story across the board with all camera phones..a lot of ppl believe the galaxy phones take better pictures bc of the vibrant screen but when put on a computer they are not much.superior..the camera is definitely sufficient..and the rest of the phone is great imo
[HTC EVO 3D] felacio:
Pfft.. youre a horrible troll. Or..... Are you the greatest troll?

Your completely wrong about everything and yet spout off so passionately and blindly its painful and embarrassing to read.

So, I'm gonna say the worst troll.
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
Truth I have an iPhone 4 and i had a nexus s 4g (man I like to play with phones LOL ) and i took a pic with both and the EVO 3d and the pictures practicly look the same but the iPhone 4 and nexus s make the pic look better because of the screen once you put them on the computer you'll see that is.not the much, and i agree macro photos are great on my EVO 3d :)
[T-Mobile LG G2x] mmapcpro:
It appears that both LG and T-mobile are putting a LOT on the hope that this update has indeed fixed all of the problems plagued with the G2X. But to be honest with you, I only notice 2 differences with the update...gps and data speed.

Problems I'm still having:

Random reboots

Lock-ups when switching from USB storage on to off

Sleep of death (try to wake the screen with the power button, and you can see some kind of slight light behind the black screen, but requires a battery pull)

Camera is dark, dark, dark

MP3 Ringtone at max volume when call is coming in is distorted

I will edit this if I think of more, but I have to go handle some business en el bano. :P

Please reply if you are having these issues, not having these issues, or if you have other issues.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Suprah:
Only problems ppl complaining about is not having lg camera in gb
[T-Mobile LG G2x] KiNG OMaR:
So basically this update has fixed nothing? :eek:
[T-Mobile LG G2x] sellingfear:
I had no problems before update except for some minor black light bleed. After update I had a few sleep of death issues happened 4 time in the few days running the update. Yesterday I flashed the rooted update and have had No problems yet.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] bluedart:
It fixed my wifi, it's like night and day now. Battery has very slightly improved. LG camera is gone. Overall though, I'm happy.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] biggredd:
I was happy but just had a random shutdown. First one hopefully last. That is with the update
[T-Mobile LG G2x] bballcat03:
I really HATE the new buttons on the keyboard...as well as the fact that double hitting spacebar no longer equals a period. I know they're petty, but they annoy the f*** out of me.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] phburks:
Should be a setting under the keyboard settings to re-enable the double tap period shortcut.

G2X CM7
[T-Mobile LG G2x] BobbyDukes707:
I know right? Since I updated my phone still won't help me make an army of tiny, laser toting robot minions. Stoopid LG.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Lightning Blue:
My problems got worse. GPS won't lock on now, and when it does, it's like 30 miles off.

Getting more freezes and reboots.

Finally decided to try a warranty replacement!
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Lakonikos:
The update fixxed all the reboot problems for me, however my GPS still takes forever to get a fix, and once when checking for a text message i was expecting, i would turn the screen on and off every 15 seconds or so for about 2 minutes, which eventually led to the screen getting stuck. Everything seemed to work (slight vibrate when using the unlock slider, able to feel buttons being touched through the vibration), just the screen was frozen. Weird bug, was fixxed with a battery pull and a restart though.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] d12unk13astard:
for those wanting the lg camera app on gingerbread, couldnt you just make a backup of the application with titanium backup and restore? Or is it not compatible on gingerbread?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] RZJZA80:
I have the following issues:

1. Phone turned off while charging overnight

2. During calls, it cuts in and out almost constantly (or every several seconds)

3. Battery life hit the crapper (due to Juicedefender not turning off radio and bloatware present again since I'm not rooted anymore)

I haven't gotten any reboots or lockups, yet

Wifi is pretty solid now

Somewhat better performance, although it lags a bit when woken up
[T-Mobile LG G2x] phburks:
Not yet compatible.

G2X CM7
[T-Mobile LG G2x] phburks:
Regarding GPS, just curious if you have wireless networks enabled under Settings > Location and Security

G2X CM7
[T-Mobile LG G2x] mecombem@gmail.com:
Just got the OTA this morning and I've noticed much faster GPS lock and vastly improved call quality (no more drop outs!). Only been a few hours though so this is just my initial impressions. Would love it if the battery life improves but I'll have to wait and see.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] cuda340:
My phone is way faster now and I even got a quadrant score above 3000 but it's locked up and rebooted 3 times today so I have mixed feelings.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Jason_V:
My Quadrant speeds are the same as before... Around 2800.

I've had several random reboots today and only had maybe 4 over the last 3 months with Froyo. Trying out some different ROMs, xboarders tweaked, to see if that corrects some of the problem.
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
Hello everybody, I notice lately my phone is losing about 10 percent battery life every 2 hours while it is idle. The funny thing is I have data off no text message and made one phone call. I don’t know what’s going on. I am running stock.
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
The Newest apps I downloaded were comicbook reader, Spotify and Netflix, but that shouldn’t matter right? Because my mobile data is off
[Thunderbolt General] voxigenboy:
that sounds about average to me. since its stock, i would just put Juice Defender on it and leave it set to "balanced", then see where youre at battery wise.

additionally, you could try Watchdog to see if theres any background apps that are consuming a ton of cpu(it can happen)
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
Thanks alot man..will get those apps and report back in a few days
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
Funny thing is this seems like its just started out of nowhere. I had my phone since launch and never had this problem.
[Thunderbolt General] voxigenboy:
do you ever charge your phone in your car?

i know when you charge it via a wall charger or your PC, there's overcharge protection so realistically you can leave it "plugged in" as long as you'd like.

apparently though, if it gets fully charged and you still leave it plugged in in your car it can eventually do some damage to the battery and eventually kill it.

i had that happen to my old Galaxy S 4G & when i went to get a new battery they confirmed that that was the culprit.
[Thunderbolt General] jbh00jh:
You need to go into settings/ power/ and uncheck fast reboot . It runs all the time and eats up battery.

Sent from my Verizon 4GLTE HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
no only charge my phone on the wall or PC. Wow I didnt know I can leave my phone plugged I thought my battery would be damaged if I left it plugged in.

fast reboot is not checked in my settings.
[Thunderbolt General] yareally:
phone idle isnt as important as the time it says it's without a signal. if you arent getting a signal, it's looking for one and really really draining the battery :(