yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Ok guys once I send out pms tonight I suggest everyone download the new EG22 kernel in the dev section and give it a whirl
[Epic 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Will do, can I flash this over ef02¿
[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
Capitalization is very important. Don't want you to send me pms, I'd rather PMs (Private Messages) than to be pmsing lol. Seriously though, I can haz PM.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Yea but I suggest flashing the EG22 modem first before the rom but me and a puzzle lock fiend have a surprise for you guys later. No ETA yet but I will try to get to everyone in several hours. Thank you for the patients....
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
E

Eg22 kernel? We have a source for this beast?
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
I just tried the kernel EG22plus EXT4 and it wouldn't boot?
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
No, no source. I have to retract my statement about the kernel. My phone and another persons phone would not boot. Remember always make a back up. try if you must, see if you can get it to work but remember as always you have been warned and I nor anyone else is responsible for your phone brick or otherwise. Flash at your own risk
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
Ahh. I see. I just read the thread in dev.
[Epic 4G General] nbunn:
If you will

PM me the link I will get it to everyone else via you
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Nbunn I try to do it in a bit after I clean up the store
[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
MyFrankenstein or Bamboozled? Which is better? PM Please too.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Personal preference really I've had major trouble with bamboozled random reboots and junk but right now we are rebuilding some things and making some things better. ;)
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Didn't realize I was going to create so much work for you. I will "Thank" you again.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
It's all in the process of progress, thank you :)

Sent from my EPICUREAN EXT-4
[Epic 4G General] midnighttoker:
Can I get a PM with a link to this?
[Epic 4G General] Esteway.619:
Did u send out pm's yet cuz I didn't get one. Lol just checking
[Epic 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Still need a PM up in here!
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
If PMs don't go out soon, Ill send some out to help. But I think the link is still in the rumor thread towards the end.
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
And has anyone running this rom notice we don't have a lot of the problems from EG22, and minor problems with the EF02 kernel. Like alarm in silent, my alarm sounds in silent mode.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Sorry guys about last night, I was out and about. I'll start PMs in about 40 minutes once I get home

Sent from my EPICUREAN EXT-4
[Epic 4G General] sniperkill:
Why is this ROM not in the Development section? How do I get a link to download? PM?
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
PM I'll start sending them out after I get home in a few

Sent from my EPICUREAN EXT-4
[Epic 4G General] rgregg504:
Apparently the dev is banned but I'm unclear who it actually is
[Epic 4G General] OrygunGal:
As I understand it, the dev was too new to xda to post in the development section.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Going to start rolling out PMs soon.

I have some interesting things coming coming down the pipe line
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
The 1st rule of fight club......

These banned ROM threads crack me up... Everyone whispering..... Speaking in code... Not admitting anything.... teeheehee....

Its all a conspiracy! ;)
[Epic 4G General] :
I found a problem when my phone is off, charger, the battery meter doesn't show any progress........ Anybody else have this issue?
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Yes, couldn't figure out how to get that fixed....looked into it trying

PMs sent, people let me know if I skipped you or my link is down
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Its because the ROM is using a broken stolen bonsai b13 kernel. If the person that took it without asking bothered to look at the support thread for it, they would have seen it was a known issue. The issue was fixed in the next iteration.
[Epic 4G General] :
Maybe it's the kernel, or something. I remember Marcusant's i3 rom had that same problem
[Epic 4G General] rgregg504:
Its an ef02 issue this is using an ef02 kernel from what I understand
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
It is but that's not one of the big things on the list....trying to get the EG22 kernel to be all sexy like
[Epic 4G General] sniperkill:
What??? Stolen?? Your kidding me right?
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Nope. No kidding here. The kernel was never publicly released, and the dev didn't ask permission to use it. The kernel is old news though, as it's EF02 based.
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
Was the kernel stolen, if it never went public maybe, but if it did ever show up once as a none paid for kernel its GPL time.
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
And maybe its just me, but I like EF02 better in some aspects, like smoothness, which I think this kernel brings back from EF02 on a ROM that is all EG22 code, just not the kernel.
[Epic 4G General] sniperkill:
I prefer the EG22 kernel way better. Perhaps it's just my phone, but the EG22 kernel treated me way better then EF02 ever has. I know benchmarks mean nothing but i ran tests on both stock kernels, in apps, and real world usage, and the EG22 kernel out-performed the EF02 kernel. Even in GPS, the EG22 kernel did better. But to each, his own. If the EF02 kernel treats you better, then that's great!

Sorry to hijack your thread.
[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
Who made this ROM and how did you guys find it (besides PMs and this thread)?
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
it was made by a banned member, included a unreleased donate kernel stolen from a banned dev team, used without permission, posted by a sock puppet, in his signature, which got banned.. not to mention was a build behind the actual rom.. which was a copy paste and zip job....
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
You almost got it. Let me fix it for you.
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
Wow, this guy sounds like a douche, sounds like he didn't do any work at all, stealing work on an open source OS is so wrong on every level of life. What did he get banned for anyway? Sounds like he never even provided anything useful for anybody if everything was stolen, what a douche. I did like the rom though, I guess Ill uninstall because now I just feel dirty and my phone started getting the jitters like the cops are coming :) And all this from leaks that we really shouldn't have in the first place, I'm not sticking up for the asshole by no means,I just find it ironic, and look at the flip side, what if we never got what we shouldnt have in life.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Hmmmm.......last time I checked no one

Has their hand up my ass....
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
@Chris41g or Mattallica76, so was that dev banned for stealing. Because I really don't want to run any software that is illegal to own in any way shape or form, and what about leaks, are we supposed to be able to use that to make money like Bonsai does?
[Epic 4G General] AproSamurai:
No, he was banned for unrelated reasons. His banning was a mistake in wording between himself and one of the forum moderators. And the bonsai kernel is donateware, which isn't approved of by this site so unfortunately, I believe that this Rom was released by a third party means on the premise of using that Kernel to anger one of the powers that be. But just honestly, as a lesson in life, if you were not witness to ones actions or directly involved don't form an opinion on words said to you by one side or another but by actual involvement in the said issue, biases can be ugly things without reason. But I don't agree with said user's means or methods myself but turning on him is too harsh, but wording can be a hell of a thing.

Sent From Tnes Morf
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
Ok, this guy still sounds like a complete douche in my eyes, I mean I know how something small can turn into something huge, I just look down to remind myself. How does this site feel about leaked software? If this person wasn't making money off of the leaked old kernel, what is the big deal?
[Epic 4G General] AproSamurai:
They don't approve of it. And it's because it's a beta kernel you have to donate to get. Even if it's the old form of it, it's still against the rules.

Sent From Tnes Morf
[Epic 4G General] Art2Fly:
The developer, eccoce, was a great developer and it pains me too see noobs call him a douche. He was not, he was far from it. He stood up against a moderator, and he was banned for it, and it was clearly the mod's fault to begin with. This rom is great and is simply amazing. The reason he included the kernel was because he knew he wasn't going to release on xda so he said "**** the rules, I'm making the best rom possible" and he clearly has, once again.
[Epic 4G General] xopher.hunter:
^^^^^^^ +1
[Epic 4G General] Esteway.619:
+10000000000 well said.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
Then he shouldn't have released it on XDA and earned himself a longer ban... While Bonsais work is banned due to being an offsite link which you have to register for (not even the donate thing, but that would have eventually caused it as well) taking their unreleased work and using it without permision and therefore releasing it, is not in anyway ok. ask marcusant. He got his ban, and has since joined ACS where he is learning development from another perspective. We do things as ethical as possible, we credit, we share, we work together, and with other teams, and as hard as it is sometimes, with XDA and their rules.. Bans happen, but when they do, take them and come back and continue your work, don't fight like a child and make it permanent. It was obvious this was going to earn a ban, thats why there was no thread. I warned this sock puppet it would be banned, and they chose to go on anyway.
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
I sorta agree with this guy /\ who may or may not be an ass clown (who still decides to defend every aspect of xda's rules). But its like arguing the semantics of legality, why is an illegal leak allowed to be played with and distrubuted, but not something modded a bit, and brought over to xda, when this person got it by legal means (donated,that's donated, not payed for), and decides to share this, illegal leak tampered with by someone who decided "Ill ask for donations and send this out". Why is one illegal method better then the other in the eyes of all mighty RULE/LAW making/breaking XDA (because isn't harboring illegal leaked software against the law)(please say something about GPL), when the main goal is sharing, wheather someone asked for money or not, I guess Eccoce never did right?
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
If you think I defend every aspect of xdas rules you don't know me very well, but since I am here posting on their forums, I do respect them. Some of their rules are out and out ridiculous, and some are geared towards revenue and not the userbase, but if we want to continue posting here thats what we have to abide by. As far as Ecooce, no problems with him, ever, but his recent actions with the sock puppets and this latest rom, are not what a respectable developer would be doing. All roms are somewhat a compilation of other peoples works, and that's to be expected. But, to start using kernels from previous builds to avoid having to come up with original work.. and to do things you know are blatently against the rules here? To each his own, if you enjoy the rom, fine, but it shouldn't have been posted in a thread, or in a signature..
[Epic 4G General] worldwidepmp:
@ malcolmxman I see what you're doing... Lol!
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
All this is, is pissing in the wind

The kernel can be changed, it was pulled from marcusants rom so what is that saying really.....it was a honest mistake for thinking that the kernel was ok'd to be used public.

Sent from my EPICUREAN EXT-4
[Epic 4G General] :
yea, I changed to chris's eg22 kernel when flashing this rom to fix battery charge issue, it worked and it auto converted to ext4 somehow without me having to flash the rfstoext4 zip
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
I couldn't get his kernel to work, what was your method?
[Epic 4G General] Djinn23:
+1
[Epic 4G General] Djinn23:
Ecooce's romsc were always a refinement of other's work and a tinkering to add speed, battery life, and stability to the phones. He has put together some of the best roms I have seen and as far as I can tell developed very little in the process of doing so. His roms, to the best I can tell, were the results of his tinkering to make his personal epic humm and he was nice enough to share.

I do see those that truely dev on the phone knock this method of rom compliation....and I can understand why. I would feel like my hard work was just bastardized. In following him on xda he has tried to give props to those who's work he used and I am sure that the act causing him to be banned was a misunderstanding.

True permission shuld be granted to use parts of someone's code but let's be careful not to slam a contributer for making improvements within his skillset where he saw he could add value. I read that he was looking to stop putting out roms historicly and become an acs tester. I was sad to read that and unfortunate misunderstanding like this are what push development off xda and/or the device as a whole.

I do appeicate dev's like chris, but feel that there is room for the guy willin.g to recompile pre existing goodness to morph it closer to greatness. Don't hate the chef..hate the game.

2 cents
[Epic 4G General] darkpoe:
Its what people consider a dev and not... On app programming and system network design.. I honestly suck, but Im awesome at finding problems and looking at code or layouts and finding solutions. There are always creators, editors and the such. on PPCG they were the difference between like No2chem being a "dev" and others people rom chefs. Chefs always took **** from people... you are stealing this or you are stealing that... I never understood the whole stealing thing with kernels compiled from FOSS, the minutes its released to someone beside the development team it can be FREELY redistributed.. It falls under the original license still and I believe http://www.xda-developers.com/android/general-public-license-gpl-for-android-kernels/ kinda explains it all.. the Idea of STEALING or redisitributing without permission doesnt really affect the android kernel... you can add 100000 lines of code its still under the original license. You can't relicense the kernel, now you can if I recall distribute a deriviative product without giving the binary for free but you are REQUIRED to distribute the source, since they arent really recompiling the kernel (we dont have gb sources) they are really themselves tweaking the zimage. This should be completely redistributable as long as the contributors are acknowledged and the licenses arent stripped. Oracle can FREELY take redhat, strip the images, rename it and bam its Unbreakable linux (Yes i know they do more) but cent os doesnt, scientific really doesnt do more either... How is this any difference... If I took Bonsai.. stripped all the images and called It Super Duper Extreme rom... well really you gotta deal with it.. look at Ice weasel... or should I say.. Mozilla firefox... You cant steal GPL software, you can violate the GPL license... If im wrong point me in the right direction... and I mean fact, not opinion.. show me where this isnt allowed in the FOSS world, as it applies to this (don't throw me some archaic not related item)
[Epic 4G General] Art2Fly:
Yeah, pot should be legal man.
[Epic 4G General] darkpoe:
Don't sterotype me brah!

See you are thinking im a FOSS freak advocate, when in reality I am a majority Windows shop, I push Windows server for anything but basic Small business file servers (Zentyal LINUX ftw). Sure I may push some Tomato routers, but I got my dad a HTC Arrive because it fit his needs.. Im just an avid reader, debater and questioner of things. Just cause I sounded like a barefoot hippie with a long beard... aka Richard Michael Stallman, I am far from it... Although free sex and rock&roll doesnt really bother me :-p

As far as pot being legal, theres a lot worse things that are.....
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
As I do agree with both your posts, there is no point in trying to change the minds of the assholes that are in a power play for donations, its a shame. And I know exactly why they don't like people using other peoples kernels that arnt involved on xda, oh actually I don't really understand it. And I wish more people understood GPL to its fullest, it dosnt matter if one person does something wrong with that code (bonsai team/donation ware) and the person trying to distribute it under GPL once its public (even if it was released to people that donated/ not payed to have). I really hope the dev/chef in question here sees how much people liked his work, and looks to be respected by some smart people. I know I used his ****, still am.
[Epic 4G General] darkpoe:
Exactly and as I should have elaborated with Red Hat, they dont really sell RedHat.... They sell support packages, thats the same with Oracle, Suse, and all of them. Some of them License non foss portions but yeah you can't change people or make them read boring product Licenses... oh wait..

Oh two snippets for the price of one

Here is a beaut: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/COPYING

Section 2(b)

You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in

whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any

part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge

to all third

parties

under the terms of this License.

This next snippet is from the AOSP page... So yeah android is mostly aspl 2.0 while the kernel is GPL v2

The preferred license for the Android Open Source Project is the Apache Software License, 2.0 ("Apache 2.0"), and the majority of the Android software is licensed with Apache 2.0. While the project will strive to adhere to the preferred license, there may be exceptions which will be handled on a case-by-case basis. For example, the Linux kernel patches are under the GPLv2 license with system exceptions, which can be found on kernel.org.

I don't make this stuff up, this isn't my opinion, this is the license of the software that XDA permits to be talked about, disseminated, and distributed on their site. (In addition to many other licenses, Im not saying this is the only one)

See linux is free as in free sammiches! and Linux is the kernel.. not the OS that would be Android!

Btw who has the free sammiches?
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
Just to entertain this idea of understanding the gpl... just because he obtained this kernel, he cant redistribute it. it wasnt released to him under the gpl. unfinished works are not required to have their source released, and, this was obviously a repack of a leak, of an unfinished work. which was not released to bonsai, nor him under the gpl.. only to to samsung.. and is still unfinished work...

i dont agree with pay for beta access, i dont agree with releasing private betas (except samsungs), i dont agree with charging for OSS, i dont agree with purposely violating xda rules, i dont agree with a lot of those rules, and i really hate beating dead horses....
[Epic 4G General] slayer450:
Any chance someone can pm me a link to this rom?
[Epic 4G General] darkpoe:
Chris41g you are confusing two different licenses... with the leak... one is fully permissive and one isn't.... forget the os... specifically the kernel and ditributing it to people outside of the development team is still distributing... there is no need for semantics... and that whole beating a dead horse cliche is to embarress or bully someone into shutting up... yeah not gonna happen.. I do believe in donationware of free stuff.. to cover hosting and support... but bonsai or anyone else can't relicense the linux kernel... any derivative the second you make it becomes covered by the gpl v2.. now if bonsai never gave it to anyone well then yes chris41g you are totally correct they don't have to release it or share it.. but the second its out past internalcompany usage (and I don't mean them getting broken into, if someone hacked in and took from a development pc then that's a crime) its fair game... and if you think chris41g I'm beating a dead horse you have the full right to ignore me.... don't pay attention to me and don't even waste the keystrokes to respond.... its your right... and I fully support that... and yeah xda can ban anyone for any reason... it is their right as a private company/organization to deny access for any reason aside from mandated discriminatory reasons... so yeah I hate to say but I agree, they can ban whoever for whatever they want. It just encourages us to turn elsewhere...

And could someone PM me a link for the rom... id love to host it on my webserver with no registrations or paywalls
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
so youre saying that by me not releasing the source to EF02Plus and EG22Plus kernel im on violation of the gpl? since they are both linux kernel derivatives, and I released them, yet I don't have the source, because it was not released, due to the fact it is unfinished works...

Bonsai didnt make the kernel public, they made it available to their "donate" testers, whom were told specifically not to make it public... therefore not releasing the kernel.

Leaving them in the same position technically as samsung. their kernel was leaked, without their consent...

and the rom in question here is hosted on mediafire or some other such nonsense, no paywalls or registration needed... i dont think you really read the thread? it just cant be posted here because of multiple reasons... already discussed...

EDIT: Technically, Me, or bonsai could technically release kernel source from kernel.org, and add our initramfs and satifsy the gpl...
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
I heard on G+ ERA dev team may release a finished version of this with your EG22 plus kernel Chris41g, and giving you thanks, how do you feel about that, just wondering? I don't know if they will or won't.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
Doesnt matter to me, I have no problem with any of them, and infact i think some of them will turn out to be good developers.. the kernel is there to be used as they see fit. I released it publicly, and as long as credit is given (which im not a credit whore anyway, its just semantics) then they can, and should release it.

If they need anything from me, im always here to help out, usually in irc.. as anyone who has ever pmed me, or came on irc to ask me a question can tell you...
[Epic 4G General] darkpoe:
appreciation

Actually I wanna say Chris41g Im sorry for pointing you out specifically in my last post, I actually really appreciate your work and I have used your kernels in many a rom I have run and want to stress that wasn't pointed towards you even though it may have seemed like it. A lot of people work in there spare time and enrich our Epic 4g experience, it just seems so many people are out to just sour it because .. well idk why. Im all for giving credit for where its due and people who work in there free time to make my life better in even such a small way deserve it.. I do hate seeing people taking from others without credit just for the ego trip, that is unfair in so many ways.. So Chris41g.. I raise my Dr Pepper to you!
[Epic 4G General] professoroak:
Is MMS broken for anyone? I'm using the stock messaging app and it seems I can't send picture messages after a few tries even in good service areas and under WiFi. If it makes a difference, I didn't flash the core or non-critical apps.
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
I think there is a version 3 out. Ill pm you later today if I find it, no one wants to pm me the location of the new one, maybe its getting released on xda soon from what I hear.
[Epic 4G General] charlie95113:
can i get a PM to the linkl
[Epic 4G General] malcolmXman:
V4 will be on XDA Friday from what I hear.