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[HTC EVO 3D] Richard_Danger:
I love the camera button. Just hold the camera button down to the first click for 2 seconds, let it focus, the fully press it down and keep your hand still. You'll get a good picture if you do this. But if you move your hand while its taking the picture, then of course youll get a blurry picture. That's user error, not camera error.

Read this:

http://therootofallevo.com/2011/07/evo-3d-getting-the-most-out-of-your-camera-2d-pictures/
[HTC EVO 3D] Cryt:
Thanks for the article, looks helpful! I can't help my shaky hands though. Maybe I'll design a camera tripod.
[HTC EVO 3D] beyond882001:
Wow. What a article. That should be posted on all *****ing threads about the cam. Make a thread with that link. I bet we wont get another bad pic *****ing....

Edit-Not directed at you Op, i guess just me *****ing
[HTC EVO 3D] mswlogo:
I have the same issue with camera button. I now ONLY use the screen button and it works much better.

I'm not sure it's a shake issue or not. But when using the camera button the often come out blurry and when using the screen button they are fine.
[HTC EVO 3D] Torrentula81:
Adjusting settings does help but the camera still sucks balls. I'll take iPhone 4 cam vs this one any day.
[HTC EVO 3D] SAShady:
Thanks a bunch for this. should be stickied
[HTC EVO 3D] exhilaration:
Thanks for the link. Make sure you read to the bottom, that's where he says:

Your new default settings should be: ISO 100, exposure –1, contrast +1, saturation +1, sharpness +1. This is for virtually all good lighting conditions.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
I agree totally! The camera on this phone sucks just like it did on the OG Evo. Who the hell has time to play with all of those settings, taking numerous pictures of the same thing trying to get it right. He is correct we are not professional photographers and if we were we wouldn't be using our phone to do it with. We just want a simple point & shoot camera that gives us good pictures. Even as much as it pains me to say, but like the camera on the iPhone 4. I have taken a bunch of pics & videos with it, inside & out, low light and sunlight and I've always gotten a a great pic/video with auto settings unlike the camera on the OG Evo and Evo 3D. Hell any HTC phone for that matter. They make great phones but they always skimp when it comes to the camera.
[HTC EVO 3D] ydoucare:
Sorry, but no amount of software tweaks will overcome a ****ty sensor and lens. I love my Evo 3D, but the camera sucks ass. The pictures in that link look decent only because they're majorly downsized.
[HTC EVO 3D] JJsax:
I can post the original sized pictures and for comparison, they look good both ways.
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
I have to say it's very disingenuous to say that the camera sucks. I have two friends that are professional photographers and they both have been very impressed with the pictures I posted in the article. I looked to them both for advice on this article. Are they perfect? Of curse not. But they are still very good. I dont mean this to be disrespectful, but the problem also seems to be user, not just software. I also want to add that once you change the settings the settings typically stay that way so you don't always have to adjust them. At the end of the day there is a difference between having a bad sensor and having bad software. The EVO 3D is limited to bad software but can be helped by adjusting the settings.

One last thing. I originally posted the pictures in their true size. But thanks to Windows Live not playing nice with WordPress the entire article had to be redone and somehow the size was reduced. I can certainly post the original size later when I get home. I really hope the article helps people out with their picture quality. To those that don't agree, it's fine. Can't make everyone happy lol.

@major thanks for postin the article brosef lol

This post was NOT meant to troll btw! Just trying to shed some light, thank people for their comments, and clarify some stuff. :)

ONE MORE THING!! Dont use the camera button!! I completely forgot to mention that. But as much as I loved the idea of having a deticated button for the life of me they always come out blurry! I have no idea why. So I just use the onscreen button.
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyfg:
I cant get any good outside shots with the 3vo.... Look at this the first is shot with a sensation the other 3 are taken with my 3vo different settings each time nowhere near as clear focus is off, they are grainy just look plain terrible i literally just walked in from taking these
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyfg:
More taken today
[HTC EVO 3D] Ryan00:
The problem i am having is the when taking pictures, is the picture always looks dimmed after taking the shot. I could take a picture of the beach on a sunny day and it would look in the picture as if was a coudly day.All my outside shots are dimmed. And forget low light shots.I played around with settings nothing seems to matter. Not sure why check out the picture below, this is a picture on the beach bright sunny day out . Any idea's on whats going on here?
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyfg:
See my low lights are amazing i took this in a completely dark room no lights at all
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
Wow. That's really bad. I'd say part of the problem is the white balance. I think the EVO's white balance problem is really affecting certain images than others. I'll be going down the shore this weekend. I'll take some beach shots. No reason it should look that bad 0_o

I do wonder if there are some cameras that do have bad sensors... I've heard a few people on Android Central get an exchang and the new phone had better quality with no green tint..
[HTC EVO 3D] Ryan00:
Holy crap ! this is a good picture for being a a dark room. That would never work or me. I wonder why some people get better pictures then others ?
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
That does look good. My low light pictures come out really good. There's definitely a software issue going on. But I'm starting to wonder if *possibly* there's some faulty cameras out there.. Ze plot thickens
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Thanks a bunch for posting that article. Like you said "can't please everybody" Well you sure helped me out. I didn't know jack crap about the settings. Now I got a pretty good idea. I was always just a point and shoot type guy. Never messed with the settings cause I didn't know how they affected the rest of the picture. So thanks again. Anytime someone tries to help out on this site. Actually I think its just the e3d section. Wasn't like this on the hd2 side. You always got some dickhead putting in there 2cents.

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[HTC EVO 3D] Ryan00:
Starting to think the same .. :confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] borgqueenx:
Party correct.
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyfg:
Here is another i just took u can see the lights on my desktop good and read the type on the cd's.... This camera puzzles me :confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] mwalt2:
The thing I hate the most is how if a person is moving at all, even slowly, the shot seems to always be blurry on auto. I suppose increasing the iso and maybe decreasing the exposure would maybe help, but it's not like I'm trying to take action shots of people... It's just as bad as every other camera phone I've had though :).
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
I remember reading about the different "scenes" the camera app was supposed to have. "Action" was one of them. It was supposed to help with motion shots. The hell ever happened to it?! lol.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
The difference is night and day once you start messing with the settings. First one is default, second is tweaked settings.

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[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Then you gotta try "fast burst camera"from market

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[HTC EVO 3D] JJsax:
I should post some of the pics I took at my recent NASCAR event. I got some pretty good "action" shots. Never took the time to adjust the settings I just followed the car as it went by.
[HTC EVO 3D] oranium:
Awesome Camera Review !!!!!

A+++ ;-)

My BadAss Evo 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] dca1970:
I agree, the camera is horrible!!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] qualitymove13:
What are some of your other settings? Auto focus, auto enhance for example. I read through a couple of times but didn't see them. Thanks!
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
I usually have auto focus off. But to keep things consistent and fair I kept it on auto focus. I always keep auto enhance on because for the life of me I have no idea what it is lol. I've never noticed a difference between it on and off. Here's a zip of some of the original pictures. You'll notice that the quality is still good despite what some people think..

I want to say it again. It's not perfect. The camera is not a DSLR by any means. But it's definitely good. More than suffice for what anyone needs, especially if you follow some of my basic guidelines. I just want to add one more thing. I want to thank SemperFratres for reminding me...

ISO is how quickly the sensor absorbs light. This is important for fast moving pictures because if you set the ISO higher it can absorb the image faster than a lower ISO thus giving more stable and less blurry shots. So the tip here is if you plan on taking pictures with motion: raise the ISO level. Just keep in mind, that will mean more noise. So find the right balance. You can slightly compensate for the added noise tho by dropping the sharpness level. Raising the sharpness will result in sharper images, but can possibly increase noise in mid/lowlight situations. So in higher ISO images you can drop the sharpness to lower the noise level. Give it a shot. Some people find this to be a bit tedious, I think it's fun as hell. Anyway, here's the zip with the original images. ...

Thanks again to everyone for the kind words. I really hope the article helps people out.

There's a total of 43 pictures. Most of them are from the article some I just added. Even at regular size, they still look good. Because there's so many pictures, the file size was big, 43MB's. So I had to upload it to my 4shared account. I'll post the link here. I'll post a couple of pictures here tho...

EVO article pictures.rar
[HTC EVO 3D] poweroutlet:
HTC's camera software is simply awful, I wonder if after we get root, we can replace it with a better camera app.
[HTC EVO 3D] Torrentula81:
It's not the software, its the camera that is crappy. Ok and the software to. IPhone 4 camera puts out amzing photos with just point and shoot. That's BEFORE editing the photos in an app or adjusting the camera settings. After editing you'll get pics the EVO will never create. Even if the software was fixed this camera is no where near as good.

Post all the picks you want to justify your purchase. Anyone who has had a phone with a decent camera knows this is poor. To poor to be fixed in a software update. That's my opinion. But I will say I'm glad your happy with mediocre quality.
[HTC EVO 3D] poweroutlet:
Do you have anything to back up your claim that the Evo 3d has a poor camera and not poor software or are you just spewing baseless nonsense?

Even Engadet's BS review of the Evo 3d mentioned this:

"Both cameras share what appears to be a decent quality 5 megapixel sensor with better than average low-light performance and low noise"

All those green tinted pics, exposure problems, etc are all caused by HTC's **** software. Yes, the image quality should be much better right out of the box and HTC no doubt did mess up there. Even under ideal conditions the camera on the 3VO cant beat the SGSII but it would be much better with proper software.
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
LOL! Hold on... Those pictures I just posted are "mediocre"? Hahaha ok..
[HTC EVO 3D] thacounty:
Good pics. Also, that is a TON of white castle!! Were you smashed? Haha
[HTC EVO 3D] SolsticeZero:
Unfortunately, some people will never be convinced, as they are either fanboys or trolls. Using this guide, I have taken much, much better pictures after reading this.
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
Shut up asswipe..I take great pics all the time..everyone acts Like the iPhone is the holy grail..sure It's nice but It's no better imo than my e3d..freakin hating as troll..I hate when people just read and re post what they have read with no evidence to support what they claim
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
Btw great article and way to shut up the haters..by showing proof ..props to you op and to jerzey..
[HTC EVO 3D] illwafer:
the moral of the story is that it is inconsistent. you can't rely on it to get great shots out of the camera every time. you either get lucky, you miss the shot, or you have to post-process the image. this is probably due to software.

we can only expect "acceptable" photos from this phone since the lenses are just adequate and nothing more. however, we can hope HTC fixes the software to give more consistent results.
[HTC EVO 3D] d12bn:
Cool

Very good link.

I don't expect my 3vo to take place of a DSLR however I do want it to take pics as good or better than all my friends IP4's.

I've been happy with my 3vo pics in good lighting but in low light my buddies IP4 is winning. I will be trying some adjustments from your link.

Last I am also very disappointed with the camera button, it is just to slow compared to the screen shutter button. Until there is a fix I will not be using the metal camera button which is one of the thinks I thought would be nice on a phone. Maybe a upgrade or app will help
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
Pretty much all of the pics posted here are average at best. A sucky camera is something ive come to expect with HTC phones so I dont even bother complaining about it anymore.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
And.....The Jerry Springer Evo 3D forum crew rage on.
[HTC EVO 3D] imninsomniac:
Alternate Camera Application

I personally only use the HTC Camera software for 3d pictures. For 2d photos I prefer vignette.

https://market.android.com/details?id=uk.co.neilandtheresa.NewVignette&hl=en

I've been using this since my old Hero days and have found that the images produced generally look much better than the default camera apps on the phones I've used (Hero, Nexus S and now the Evo 3D).

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Since the full app is at cost, I also wanted to provide a link to the free (demo) version.

https://market.android.com/details?id=uk.co.neilandtheresa.VignetteNewDemo
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
And the peanut gallery continues..you are so superior..pat yourself on the back..guy made a stupid comment..I don't understand if someone hates a phone so much why buy it ..
[HTC EVO 3D] JJsax:
+1........
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Or lurk around like some crazy stalker when you clearly no longer have the phone

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[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
LOL..he just hate it so good..since he didn't like it he wants to make sure no one else can..
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyxda:
The hardware is there and I'd say it's definitely above average for a camera phone (see attached). That said, I hate the software! When you press halfway on the shutter button and focus everything, there's no excuse for it to take a full second (sometimes two) to take the actual shot. Color balance is often plagued by "green blowouts". The camera locks up/freezes a lot. etc. I do think that's all software though and since the hardware appears top notch, just give it some time and let's hope HTC can fix the gaping holes in the camera software.

Mike
[HTC EVO 3D] Visionikz03:
I agree the hardware is pretty decent. Its the software that makes the camera difficult to use and get good results. Once more apps get developed for 3d the kinks will get ironed out. Remember also the 3vo is 5megs and evo is 8 megs. But the better resolution of 3vo renders better outtakes compared to evo.
[HTC EVO 3D] poweroutlet:
Yes, the hardware itself is fine and possibly even above average. I really hope HTC will stand by their products and give us proper camera software to improve IQ. Otherwise the community will have to do it themselves and hopefully also enable 1080p recording.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
I'm still baffled they left out 1080 rec

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[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyxda:
I suspect we'll get it. If not in the next OTA, in the one following. Looks to me like the camera got lowest priority for launch. They just did an incredibly sloppy job all the way around on the camera software.

Mike
[HTC EVO 3D] jkinnison90:
My problem with it is it takes dark pictures when its not perfectley bright and sunny. And only other complaint is the flash is terrible on it. On my phone at least.
[HTC EVO 3D] toneman1984:
That's a pretty big difference. I'm going to mess with my settings now.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
I find it funny that some people who have been dissing the camera refuse to accept that it can be dramatically approved by software. Their ignorance is astounding. I think the Evo takes amazing shots. Good article!

For those too lazy to look, here it is again:

http://therootofallevo.com/2011/07/evo-3d-getting-the-most-out-of-your-camera-2d-pictures/
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
I been able to take some sweet pics with the. Camera only at night they sucks but then again is a camera phone

Here are some samples

If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d :P
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
Those are some nice pics..don't know how anyone can deny that..I.wanna see pics from other phones that are so drastically better..btw..do u upload those on your phone or do you put them on a computer first..I wanna post pics like that right from my phone but the best I can do is post a link to a pic right from my phone
[HTC EVO 3D] mikeyfg:
These came out good
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
I uploaded from my phone to Photobucket app and post it the link

If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d :P
[HTC EVO 3D] Flonkas:
I actually love this camera. Videos are absolutley magnificent, as are pictures. I haven't had any blurry crap or nothing.
[HTC EVO 3D] Flonkas:
Doesn't the megapixels only have to do with printing a picture? I'm pretty sure yeah.
[HTC EVO 3D] JerzyIroc:
Ya megapixels aren't as important as people think. Perfect example.. HTC Hero 5MP Evo 3D 5MP... Ya.. not even close lol... It's the sensor itself that's important. Megapixels are "important" but a good sensor is more important. MP's are important if you plan on blowing pictures up to really large sizes.. But even then if you have a **** sensor it's only gonna make the picture look that much ****tier when enlarged lol

Mikeyfg's those are some really good pictures..

Anyone that thinks the camera on the Evo 3D sucks is either a troll or blind. Period
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Yeah im really liking the camera after reading your guide.

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[HTC EVO 3D] linzgeneral:
JerzyIroc, I appreciate your effort wholeheartedly and contributions. I must admit that those pics are indeed mediocre. I don't look at one single pic and think quality. The pics overall seem to lack color, punch,vibrance, sharpness whatever you want to call it. I see many cameras from a year ago that take much better pics including my EVO4g (in ideal light). The 3d pics just look dark and washed out, even the good looking ones do not look great..there is a big difference between the two terms. There are many phones available that look great. For a phone that's touting 2 cameras and all of this supposed optical ability, this is beyond disappointing. What really piss me off is that HTC decides to put one of the best cameras ever on the my touch 4g....go figure..
[HTC EVO 3D] linzgeneral:
All things being equal, a good 8mp beats a good 5mp all day long. That's all we are asking for. I am far from a troll and even farther from blind. This camera is bad. I had two phones and the camera has its moments where it shows promise but it is no where near what it should be. This is by fr the most disappointing thing about the phone for me.
[HTC EVO 3D] linzgeneral:
That the thing, everything is subjective. The lobster pic looks ok but a good camera will make it jump off the screen - make it look live. To me the color looks dull and the sharpness isn't present like it should be. It looks slightly out o focus to me.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
Hate to be argumentative but the iPhone 4 is the holy grail when it comes to pics/screens. Apparently you haven't actually taken and looked at pictures/videos taken with it. As much as I like the 3D, it doesn't even come close! And I've have been a longtime HTC supporter. The 3D is my 7th HTC phone (Apache, Mogul, Touch Pro, Touch Diamond, Hero, Evo 4G, Evo 3D) and they have all had cameras that sucked. My Palm Pre with a 3MP camera took better pics than the 4G and the 3D hasn't improved that much. My Epic's camera is also better in almost all aspects when compared to 3D/4G. Now I don't know whether it's the hardware, software or combo of both but the camera on the 3D is not what you would expect on such a high-end phone. Luckily it's not as bad as the 4G. Funny thing is I could've sworn that I read somewhere that Samsung makes the cameras for Apple, HTC and themselves. (Don't quote me because I could be wrong) Crazy how HTC always seems to get the short end of the stick.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
The iphone takes amazing pictures because the software it uses is amazing. Its camera software is amazeballs. Nokia also, and they also load beast sensors onto their stuff. I'm also sure the N8 takes better pictures than the Iphone 4. Well from what I've seen in real life in comparisons.

I agree that HTC's camera software sucks, I don't know how they don't comprehend.

I think a phone can have a beast sensor, lens and optics, but it doesn't do much if the software sucks. Well to my understanding.

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[HTC EVO 3D] poweroutlet:
Is it really that hard for you to comprehend that having poor camera software will produce poor images regardless of what sensor and lens you are using? The Evo 3d does not lack quality hardware, but it sure does lack proper software. Every idiot in this thread keeps going on about how the camera is crap. Yes I agree that out of the box, the Evo 3d should produce better images, but its the software that is the limiting factor, not the hardware. It's very likely that once the device is rooted, we will be able to get more out of the hardware.

Anyone who has the slightest experience with signal or image processing will understand my point here.

Also, just please stop with the megapixel thing.

I notice every product has some stupid term which is used to market to the masses. For cars its HP, for CPUs its "Mhz/Ghz", for camera its Megapixels. It is almost entirely irrelevant. The average person seems so unbelievably ignorant with this. If I could give you a large 6.1 MP sensor out of a Nikon D40 or the puny 8 MP sensor out of the Evo 4G, what would you take? It really isn't rocket science. Typically the greater the surface area of the sensor that corresponds to each pixel, the better the quality of the image.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
+ 1

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[HTC EVO 3D] bobdude5:
sometimes its good sometimes it sucks.

here is some pictures i took

https://picasaweb.google.com/101090786328654505402/2DPictrues?authuser=0&feat=directlink

does well with green
[HTC EVO 3D] computerkid23:
Thanks for the write up bro but in my opinion right off back the EVO4g camera is better BUT.....the write up you posted helped a lot as far as adjusting the settings I took quite a few pics and there is a difference so since we all like the 3d we got to work with what we have and this write up helped a lot (its like night and day)!!! its not as the clear as the OG EVO when it comes to taking pics of signs with letters depending on the distance ...but GOOD. Job bro no matter what these people are arguing about your intent was to show us how to make our camera better quality wise and it helped THANK YOU!!!