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[Verizon Droid Charge] anoninja118:
I never use task/app killers except the native samsung one and have never properly 'calibrated' my battery yet I get a good 10-12 hours of moderate to heavy use (push notifications, facebook, music playing/streaming, chan browsing, tons of XDA usage and texting with a few calls and games here and there) all with 4G on, auto brightness, no wifi, gps or bluetooth... guess I just got a good battery :cool:

blazing through on my VZ Droid Charge 4G
[Verizon Droid Charge] broomulack:
I almost don't believe you.....lol

Wish I could say the same.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Syn Ack:
Get "LTE Switch" from the market. Then change your System Selection mode to CDMA mode and Automatic. Only do it while you're in areas that drain an extra amount, it means that your phone is switching from 3G-4G constantly and just kills the battery.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Syn Ack:
10-12 hours is average, if your phone is correctly calibrated. You probably never needed to do yours, others do.
[Verizon Droid Charge] anoninja118:
and I'm completely satisfied with the battery life I get, I just kinda feel bad seeing all these threads where people get bad batteries or have to do all those ridiculous battery calibrations just to get average life out of it

blazing through on my VZ Droid Charge 4G
[Verizon Droid Charge] 91point6:
How would this be any better than turning off data altogether? I have tried that and it makes little or no difference.
[Verizon Droid Charge] letsgophillyingeneral:
Honestly, that's probably more towards the heavy usage scale solely because you push your Gmail and the fact that the texting an email is constant. Having your screen on is going to drain the crap out of your battery. If your screen is mostly on during an hour-long time frame, expect to see a decent drop in battery level.
[Verizon Droid Charge] neyenlives:
First day with the Charge was today. Last night when I got it the first thing I did was install Gummy 1.9.1 Odin package that includes the PBJ Kernel. I have two email accounts on push, gmail and corporate exchange, calendar from both synced, using Talk and Voice for messaging. Couple phone calls, installed several apps, ran several speed tests, and plenty of web surfing and such. I'm at 8hrs use and 25% remaining. Its pretty much like my Fascinate was. I have just now enabled a -50mV undervolt on all frequencies no overclocking. Not bad considering this is pretty heavy usage even if it seems moderate to me.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Syn Ack:
Here's the difference, you can still have data enabled if you use the switch, as opposed to turning off data altogether. You can still get your email, updates, and whatever you do to your phone. It saves battery for me because where I work, my phone switches between 3G and 4G constantly, RAPING my battery. When I force it to use 3G only with this app, then it doesn't use any power at all to switch between 3G and 4G.
[Verizon Droid Charge] broomulack:
Yes, my screen is on a lot, no doubt. Today I got about 7 1/2 hours of fairly heavy usage. Screen on a lot, texting a lot, Gmail, and I also use Touchdown for my corporate email (which when I push is a huge drain) . I use Touchdown on manual and just check every so often.

So basically I guess the 8-hour area is about the best I can hope for with my usage profile and the standard battery. Gonna have to get the extended and get that up by 1 1/2 times.

Thanks!
[Verizon Droid Charge] letsgophillyingeneral:
I wouldn't bother with the extended battery. I have it and I can honestly say that my stock batteries work just as great. You're just using a lot of juice by constant data pulls while having the screen on for a majority of the day.

I never use auto-sync. I never used it with my OG Droid, and I never use it with my Nook Color or Charge.
[Verizon Droid Charge] BeefJerky9:
Are you actually trying to say that the higher-capacity extended battery won't last him longer with his usage? Do you not need the extended battery because the stock battery lasts you the day? Or did they both last about the same until dead?

If it is the first answer, that really only applies to you, not to broomulack; in which case, you are giving him bad advice IMO. If it is the second answer, you must have a defective extended battery.
[Verizon Droid Charge] 91point6:
Thank you for the info. I guess my original point was that is makes little difference whether my phone's data is turned off or not. That is not what is taking the lion's share of battery. It is the constant signal degradation for the voice part that is killing my battery life. I downloaded an app that shows me the signal strength in real time. My signal is going from -85 db which is not bad to -115 which is virtually no signal at all. This reading is indicating that the signal is constantly bouncing back and forth and all points in between. When I am not in the building, then everything is OK and I get good signal and battery life.
[Verizon Droid Charge] letsgophillyingeneral:
No, not the first question, I was referring to the latter. And yes, I'm saying that the extended battery (2600mah) doesn't offer that much more battery life. Yes, it could be a defective battery, but I highly doubt it. It's definitely a bigger battery and will last longer that the stock 1600mah battery, but the difference wasn't as big as one would expect. One would expect a littler over one and a half times the battery life as your stock battery, but I never saw anything like that. Yes, I know personal anecdotes aren't the best pieces of evidence, but I noticed others around the internet having similar experiences with the extended battery.

With that said, I like having the extended battery as a spare/optional battery, but, I haven't used it in weeks. I have two stock batteries along with the Media Dock, so I always have a battery waiting for me at 100% charge. The extended battery and door usually sit in my laptop bag.
[Verizon Droid Charge] broomulack:
Quite frankly, this sounds more like you against the battery in a battle of wills. But if you have to keep everything off and squint to see the screen, why not just get a regular phone???
[Verizon Droid Charge] Khanusma:
my battery life sux. did calibrations and stuff like that. tried two phones and two batteries with no luck.

If i go into airplane mode I can get it to 1.5% per hour drainage. With data and phone on, I get about 10% drain an hour without turning on the screen.

5 years from on is going to be so much better when I dont have to worry about this crap. (assuming that they improve on the battery tech)
[Verizon Droid Charge] KarukTribe:
I came to the Charge from the Thunderbolt.

I have to say that my battery life has doubled. I'm a pretty heavy user and can get at least a full day on 4g with full email push, screen set to 75% all of the time, and google+ photo upload turned on with 10+ photos uploaded per day. I admin a cloud file server (egnyte) as well through my phone. All this running stick battery.

I ordered 3 spare batteries and a wall charger before I received the Charge. I haven't used the spare batteries yet.
[Verizon Droid Charge] BleedsOrangeandBlue:
Considering that the features are only increasing in quality as well, it'll be a push at best.

If you consider that battery development has consistently lagged behind cell technology which is what brought us to this point...
[Verizon Droid Charge] Khanusma:
I hope you are wrong... haha. but you probably won't be.

Smartphone demand for increased battery needs are more mainstream now than ever and people are complaining more than ever. I imagine that corporations are seeing this and hopefully putting more money into battery tech and reducing power consumption. With money being poured in because of this as well as to support better car batteries, hopefully the tech will increase greatly over the next decade and give us ultra efficient high capacity batteries.

Who knows.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Scrappy1:
If you want awesome battery life right now, you can get a HTC Inc2 or iPhone. Both will easily last a day of very heavy use, and both have close to 0 % idle drain. Inc2 can do 5 hours of screen on time over normal day of usage. Charge is lucky to get 3 hours. iPhone spanks 7-8 hours.

Samsung's battery issues seem to be caused by SAMOLED screen and poor idle radio management.
[Verizon Droid Charge] broomulack:
Haven't tried those phones but I can tell you that just being a text/email user the battery at best will give me about 8 hours of moderate use, and maybe 5-6 hours of heavy use. If I'm sitting and texting all the time, with email on push and doing some web browsing, 6 hours is about the max I can expect.

I am loathe to try an iPhone as I hate Apple, but for my needs it might actually be the best fit. Don't stream much, don't do any heavy lifting, just normal every day text/email/internet and corporate email that I don't even keep on push.
[Verizon Droid Charge] neyenlives:
for the record, for anyone new to these forums, this is a completely untrue statement. you might be able to kill it in 5-6 hours with constant use, and by constant i mean constant.....never giving the phone a second to do anything else......i regularly get 10-12 hours a day with fairly heavy use and sometimes a 1hr bump charge at lunch if i eat in
[Verizon Droid Charge] Scrappy1:
You misunderstand. All times I quoted were screen on time. Of course you can make it a day with the Charge if you don't use the screen. Due to typical background idle drain of 4% per hour, coupled with screen on drain of 20% per hour, I dare anyone to try and get more than 3 hours of active screen on time per day.
[Verizon Droid Charge] galaxyuser88:
Mine normal will last about 6-8 hrs before i have to recharge or swap batteries. But i know this is not fault of the system or phone. It is the fact that i am in a non 4g - 3g Fringe area, so the phone is constantly searching and connecting to the service. Now if i turn off 3g data and just use wifi, i can get pretty much a full day out of with marginal use. Heavy use is a different story.

With the recent rom/kernel/modenm updates, battery life has definatly gotten better. Good work Thanks to all the DEV'S..
[Verizon Droid Charge] broomulack:
Ok, how exactly do you measure screen on time? I am one of those with complaints about the battery life. No matter how hard I try or what calibration methods I use, I'm grateful when I get over 6-8 hours with fairly constant use. The one time I tried to run the battery down as quickly as possible, I turned on all radios, streamed music for a song or two, and really used it intensively. It took around 4.5 hrs to drain.

There's no doubt that the display, even when turned all the way down, drains tons of power. The only time I get any significant time out of the battery is when the phone isn't being used.

But I don't see how you can claim only 3 hrs of usage under just about any type of circumstances.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Scrappy1:
Settings -> about phone -> battery use -> display

Check it at the end of the day, when battery is almost dead. If you can best 3 hours I'll give you an award.

Of course if you leave screen on constantly after charging, you'll get 4-5 hours, but thats not what I'm talking about.
[Verizon Droid Charge] neyenlives:
mine gets small times, like 15-20 minutes without being active but then will be active for an hour or so.....like i use it as a MP3 player, even further draining, and I can keep the screen on and listen to music for a good 5 hours until lunch time, when i give it a hour long bump and then back to using it again, all the while with two push email accounts and some browsing and whatnot......

i have never forced the screen on 100% of the time, thats not how i use it

i am telling you real world use, not some abnormal usage which is what 3 hours constant would be....i can drain any of these devices in a few hours if i wanted to i think. Also one has to consider the hardware in the Galaxy line (which includes the Charge) is more powerful than the others, so when in use it sucks more juice.

So like i said, with all day normal heavy use, i get 10-12 hours. I'm quite happy with that considering what I do with it.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Scrappy1:
Not sure what you are talking about here. Please check settings - about phone - battery use - display. Do it at the end of the day without a bump charge, and then reread my posts.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Ted A:
I don't get 10-12 hours with "all day normal heavy use" on my DC, I can tell you that. Everybody has their own definition of "all day normal use", let alone "heavy use".

Perhaps if VZW isn't so misleading with their claims for iPhone, Charge and Thunderbolt, respectively here (as quoted from VZW website):

"Usage Time*	Up to 420 minutes	up to 660 minutes	up to 378 minutes "

we won't be sweating this phone's battery life.
[Verizon Droid Charge] neyenlives:
while i agree the phones battery life is not great, it's also not 6 hours

heavy use is , im on it doing something every 20 minutes or so. every time it sounds off because of an email on my gmail or corporate email, i check it, i dont let 3 or 4 messages pile up. i get instant email on both accounts, same with texts, same with music, every time the song changes i tend to want to change it again, so it comes on and i change it, then there's probably collectively an hour or two in a day i spend checking out the latest news sites like engadget and whatnot along with a few forum message boards i will post in several times a day. if im walking down the hall at work, and i walk a LOT, i am on it reading something or checking out the latest tweets.

all of that with 4G turned on, and sometimes i switch to wifi depending on where i am in the building, i try to stay on wifi when i can but the edges of the building dont get much signal.

i call my usage fairly heavy considering i see people who turn off 4G, turn off all push mail, dont use the browser much, so compared to them im a battery hog
[Verizon Droid Charge] broomulack:
Got it, I looked and see what you mean. But if I'm getting about 6-8 hours doing what I normally do without making adjustments what does the screen on time have to do with it? This is where I'm confused.
[Verizon Droid Charge] jmorton10:
There is no way the iPhone battery life is as good as you claim. We have a VZ corporate account where I work and we have probably 30 iPhones among our employees. The biggest complaint I get from iPhone users (I'm the admin for the account) is that the battery life sucks and it is not user replaceable. Every single iPhone user has chargers on their desk and in their car and keep the things plugged in whoever possible. Of course they have no idle drain, the charge doesn't have much either if you don't run any active live widgets.........

~John
[Verizon Droid Charge] Scrappy1:
Anandtech would beg to disagree. See the link below, and how iPhone 4 gets 7 hours screen active time on 3g, and gets 10 hours on wifi. Now this corresponds with the constant usage / no idle case, but it shows you what were up against. Apple optimized the hell out of battery life. No amount of Android fanboy'ism can hide that.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4465/samsung-droid-charge-review-droid-goes-lte/10
[Verizon Droid Charge] jmorton10:
I don't really care what anandtech says, I see what iPhone users go through everyday in real life situations. Believe me, I am no android "fanboy", i use whatever works for me at that time whether it is WM, Android or IOS. I am not loyal to any particular system. If I wanted, I could have an iPhone for free tomorrow through where I work and I've seriously considered that. I actually like the iPhone a lot and seriously considered getting one but my Droid Charge running gummy 1.9.1 simply has too many advantages that are important to me and I am getting just as good battery life as the iPhone users I work with.

~John
[Verizon Droid Charge] Scrappy1:
So, you dont care about the objective, scientific evidence, and prefer subjective general feelings? Of course everyone is entitled their own view, but I know which I would choose in a court of law, or during a design DOE.
[Verizon Droid Charge] MaxBuck:
Whatever. Fact remains that if you need more juice with the Charge you can carry a spare battery. That option is unavailable on the iPhone. That in itself, to me, argues against the iPhone.
[Verizon Droid Charge] kvswim:
You sound like an Apple fanboy.

Sent from my Droid Charge running GummyFroyo 1.9.1
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xxfraxx:
Hi guys i hope that someone can help me! :(

I have a problem with ClockworkMod 3.2.0.0 because when I go into recovery from hboot ClockworkMod opens but when I select "install zip from sd card" only the background remains with the hat and I do not select the files in the sd.

Even when I select "power down" the phone is switched on and still remains on the screen with the hat.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bx19:
How about pressing power button when on the hat icon and then pressing trackpad . Try them and you will know.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xxfraxx:
I had not thought!! Thanks very much mate!!
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phoivos86:
Hello guys!

I have exactly the opposite problem.

I rooted and s-off my phone following these instructions:

baert.ulyssis.be/ 2010/ 10/ 13/ wildpuzzle-rom-for-htc-wildfire/

(sorry for spaces, but the forum doesn't allow me to psot the link otherwise).

Then I installed SuperUser and then ROM Manager, in order to flash a new ROM. Then ROM-Manager "told" that my CWM Recovery 3.0.0.6 was incompatible or something like that and it should automatically download and flash Recovery 2.5.0.7. I allowed it to download the new Recovery and proceeded with installing my ROM (WildPuzzleROM_2.2.1 v0.8) successfully.

Every time I needed to access Recovery 2.5.0.7, I just open ROM-Manager and chose "Reboot into Recovery", and it always rebooted into Recovery 2.5.0.7. But today I tried to access Recovery by rebooting and holding down volume button. And it loaded Recovery 3.0.0.6. I turned off the phone, re-opened it, went to ROM-Manager and chose again "Reboot into Recovery" and it loaded Recovery 2.5.0.7.

So apparently my phone has two versions of Recovery. It loads version 3.0.0.6 when I reboot with the volume button and it loads version 2.5.0.7 through ROM-Manager. And I need ONLY Recovery 2.5.0.7, because the other version crashes (error message: "Amend Scripting is deprecated by Google in Cupcake...etc etc") every time I tried to flash new ROMs and I read somewhere in the forums that this happens because of the 3.x version of Recovery.

So here comes my question: How do I remove Recovery 3.0.0.6 and keep ONLY 2.5.0.7 ?

Thank you all very much, beforehand!
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ErwinP:
You can do so by using fastboot to manualy flash the old recovery using the command "fastboot flash recovery <path to recovery>recovery.img". If you do not now how to use fastboot, you have to search the forum a bit (can't give you any links as I'm using the xda app).

But for your problem: it is all normal. ROM Manager launches indeed some kind of temporary recovery, which is stored on your sdcard.

But you better rethink about downgrading your recovery: there is a reason why people we are now on v4 of clockworkmod :-) some bugs are fixed (for example, now you can charge your phone when its off - isn't possible with any version of CWM lower then v3) and the menu is better, with more and handy options. The only reason why we keep using the old CWM is because of its ability to flash "old" zipfiles.

So in my opion, it is not worthet to downgrade CWM. You gain much more with the new one, and it is really no effort to flash your "old" zip files with the use of ROM Manager.

Erwin
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phoivos86:
Obviously you were right on the part that I should actually upgrade my CWM Recovery instead of downgrading it. And the main reason for this, proved to be that my former version had a charging bug. If I charged the phone while switched off, it wouldn't switch on, unless I removed the battery.

Anyway, I followed your advise and flashed Clockwork 4.0.1.4.110720. But the charging problem was still there, so I tried several versions of CWM, till I finally found that for my case Clockworkmod Recovery v3.2.0.0 was the best option.

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Device: HTC Wildfire (Buzz PVT SHIP S-OFF HBOOT 6.01.1022)

ROM: WildPuzzleROM 2.2.1 v0.8

Recovery: Clockworkmod Recovery v3.2.0.0
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rollhard:
I have followed Doomlords directions on How to flash/test custom Kernels. So i flashed Wolfs Newest V009 and then attempted to flash Dooms V03 Kernel via FreeexperiaRecovery but nothing changes, the kernel version is still stock. I then flashed the Kernel enabler patch and that soft bricked my phone last night. i got it working again and I am wanting to try again but i feel there is a small detail that i am missing. anyone have any ideas? Thankshttp://media.xda-developers.com/images/smilies/confused.gif
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] InternationalPlayer71:
Probably you forgot to flash the right chargemon to boot custom kernel as default..you can find it on doom's thread called custom kernels dev..after that you need bootloader bypass files and then boot.img and wifi.ko..

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[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] exzacklyright:
I use gv to text at work on the website and so my phone its just sitting there with the bln lights on consuming battery. How do you stop it?

My wand
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skafan2:
Two things:

1) If you are using CM7, it is not possible to turn off BLN as of now, sorry.

2) The BLN lights consume very, very VERY little battery. As in, lets say you got a message as soon as you unplugged your phone and they stayed lit for the whole day - they would use less than 1% of the battery. So don't worry about BLN, it's not as bad as you may think.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zerg The Bear:
That statement isn't totally accurate. I am on CM7 and didn't want BLN functioning. To keep them from coming on, you can change your profile settings.

Go into Settings -> Profiles and select the profile you want to change (if you don't use them, just select Default). At the bottom of this next menu, you'll see a section called Application Groups. For every item in this list, you can select it, and then turn Lights Mode to Off. This will stop BLN from lighting up the buttons.

You can call this disabling BLN, or a workaround, or whatever, but it's worked for me.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skafan2:
Nice, this must be a recent change... I remember there was a whole controversy over it about a week or two ago, and the profiles didn't work at the time. Thanks!
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zerg The Bear:
Oh yeah, I should have mentioned I'm running the 7/17 CM7. I didn't use any of the previous versions, so I can't comment as to their functionality.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kkennedy22:
I hated bln at first, but its really grown on me and now I wouldn't consider a rom without it. And agree with the first reply, basically no battery consumption.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skynet11:
Honestly, I think the problem is with another app running in the background while your screen is off, thus preventing your phone from sleeping. I would recommend the "active apps" app from the market and seeing what you have active at the time.

Another note: if your bln remains on while your screen is off, try opening the notification drawer and clearing your notifications. That works for me (of course, I actually click on the relevant notice usually which also deactivates the bln until the next notice comes in)

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