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[Nexus S Android Development] deeren:
come on Jonathan,

you are directing the same people presumably inpolite from xda to rootwiki.com, how can the mentality change?

i agree that things are not how they were on xda but one thing i know is that there will never be a better resource than xda. I can bet you that even if you decide to post only on rootwiki, you'll still come on xda to check out the latest. since long devs have tried to do that, first was htcpedia.com ( during the windows 6,6.x era ) , even paul coudnt come close with modaco.

I seriously think you should stick to xda. My 2 cents.
[Nexus S Android Development] Jonathon Grigg:
I have decided what I wish to do, and that's move to RootzWiki because I feel, unlike every other site, it could really make it. Have you been over there and seen how much they do for developers? Of course I will still check out stuff here, not everyone wishes to move and I still need some of their work (Netarchy kernels for instance) but I will tell you I barely check anywhere near as much as I used to. It was a great place here, and thankfully our forum mods aren't corrupt unlike many other sections. I've heard so many 'horror' stories from developers over what happens here it's not funny anymore.

Just to prove my point about developer support, if anyone wishes to vote for me here, I could get a new T-Mobile device to work on (Nexus S, G2X or Sensation 4G). All thanks to RootzWiki http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=2014

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S Android Development] deeren:
Well fair enough, your choice.anyways, i am sure a lot of users will keep an open eye on your thread over there. AS a matter of fact, just made an account:p. cheers and keep up the good work!
[Nexus S Android Development] Jonathon Grigg:
I am always open reconsider, particularly when the first non Beta version is ready, and may have it here for extra exposure I guess. But for betas I think I will keep them to RW.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S Android Development] Babydollll:
I'll never ever go back to Rootzwiki.... So bye bye

Sent from either my N1, NS, or Sensation 4G
[Nexus S Android Development] Babydollll:
Oh and not for nothing did you know that in your precious contest that admins from there were pushing for mathkid over every other dev on that site....

Sent from either my N1, NS, or Sensation 4G
[Nexus S Android Development] Jonathon Grigg:
I don't mind if Mathkid gets it, he's had loads of support from just about everyone due to being part of ACS. I know I probably wont win but its always nice to see that some people like my stuff and choose the vote for me.

Sorry you didn't like RootzWiki, you could be missing out, but hey your choice.

I have decided to post here a bit more regularly too, because some things never change and XDA started my Android passion so I will continue it on a bit longer. Consider it a win for those who dislike RootzWiki, I don't mind.

On a lighter note, today's release will hopefully include a 4G SMS fix and I will also be working on the new UI, starting with settings. Stay tuned!

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S Android Development] Babydollll:
One more reply to this whole rootzwiki thing. I Chose NOT to return to rootzwiki after I pointed out it was unfair to other devs that ADMINS were pushing for one member over, another..., they deleted the post on g+ with my comment attached...that is when I decided rootzwiki was wrong not just for me but in everything they do....

Sent using two tin cans and some string.....
[Nexus S Android Development] juanenbas:
Excuse me, but, how do you download this rom ?, because in the GOO-INSIDE.ME dont leave me download this ROM, because when past the 10 second back to the same page, in back the same, and back the same, and never let me download the ROM !!!!!!!

Please somebody help me

Juan
[Nexus S Android Development] Jonathon Grigg:
Please visit build.jonathongrigg.com then, it's got the exact same files available, but is only used as a transfer host. Find the required file there and download, should have no issues.

Also, for those who haven't visited the RootzWiki thread for a while, beta 0801 now includes a custom 1.1ghz OC by default and is extra peppy!

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S Android Development] snandlal:
Can you port in oxygen's power control widget and make an optional flash zip?
[Nexus S Android Development] dmarden:
He confirmed over at RootzWiki that it was coming, but not necessarily soon. It's probably my most missed feature... I fight the urge to nag, lol.
[Nexus S Android Development] willverduzco:
Development of this project on XDA has ceased. As such, this thread is now closed.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fxb141:
ok, here i am... in the android world, after many years of winmo - and i must say wow, i was missing a lot! i just bought a thunderbolt as a replacement for my htc touch pro2 (which was running stock, only after i broke my old one and didnt take the time to re do it again)

what i could do on my tp2 was run hotspot app PROVIDED by HTC (not sure why or how that slipped through big red's net) but it was free, no tethering/hotspot fee needed.

i like my TB (but not the bloatware) and am currently refusing all updates till i make my mind up on rooting. right now - kernel 2.6.32.21.gb05544a dated march 1, 2011 and the software number is 1.13.605.7. my guess is that since i bought it from amazonwireless, big red hasnt updated it, and it sat on the shelf at amazon for a bit. either way, the hotspot app still works for free.

my questions:

1. if i continue to refuse, can i assume that one day i will wake up updated or find my phone automatically updating without my permission?

2. if i root (before this big scary update happens) will my phone automatically go back to a stock rom, only with superuser access where i can remove bloatware manually and install a wifi hotspot app, or will i have to flash to a rom?

i am familiar with flashing windows mobile phones, flashed my past 2 devices to the newest software (had my tp2 before 6.5 was released for that phone, so flashed to 6 before big red officially released it). but it didnt need constant 'attention' once it was flashed. i used to fool around with sat boxes that did need constant attention and monitoring and waiting for charlies next emp, then scrambling to reflash. that was a pain.

3. will my rooted TB need constant attention or will i be able to tootle around without a care, only flashing when someone releases a rom that i might want to try out or some big release <gingerbread> is ready for rooted phones?

thanks for your time!

PS: I have read that people cant use netflix app on TB - i downloaded it, and it works fine for me. i am stuck in 3g land until next winter, but i would think that 4g would rock... just FYI in case anyone cares.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stewlounse:
good questions. i'd like to see these answered too :)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LlirasChosen:
Welcome to the world of Android! We hope you enjoy your stay ^__^. While I don't have a TBolt myself, I think any user opinion is good. Phone's auto updating is rare, like extremely rare, but I have seen it on some of the lesser model phones. I don't think you need to worry about it though. The free hotspot app however may be noticed and tagged as a tether as big red gets their chubby fingers around the few apps they are missing.

To root or not to root, that is the question.....or is it! The answer is up to you. If your comfortable with it than root it! All rooting will do is give you superuser ability, and the ability to flash custom roms/kernels/mods. If you want to keep the stock rom, than all you need to do is flash and nothing more. Rooting your phone doesn't auto flash some random rom. Roms are typically not built with an auto updater, so you only need to reflash a rom if you want to change roms or update to the newest version. I would say I flash at least an image a day on my Dinc. Once your rooted, regardless of the rom, I would suggest downloading some backup software (Titanium Backup or it's like for TBolt) and of course a tethering app, whether you want wired or wireless is up to you. Once you root, you lose your connection to big red's update servers and so you never have to worry about an update that returns you to stock like you do with i<anything's>.

Happy flashing!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nrfitchett4:
Tbolt just got netflix last week for stock users.

Even if you are not going to flash a custom ROM right now, I would root.

Reason being that rooting requires you to flash old firmware so your phone gets wiped. Better to do it now, then that way you can use apps like Titanium backup.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] loonatik78:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there are OTA's that can't be rooted.

What rooting your phone will do is install a new stock ROM which means it will wipe your whole phone. From there you can flash up to anything you want. Don't do rooting the lazy way. Use the ADB process and do it right. If you have a problem along the way, you'll be very glad you did it that way because you'd end up getting into ADB to fix any problem anyhow. Plus, jcase and other at andirc.net are very helpful.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beastclaw:
If you root you will end up with whatever ROM is used during the root process. If you go to the development threads and to the stickied rooting instructions it will show you what RUU is used for the rooting process.

If you havent updated your phone you might even find that the ROM you get after rooting might be a newer version of the one you are using. If you want to stick with that ROM you can and just debloat it yourself or find another debloated ROM out there.

Once rooted you can use it similar to how you used your stock phone with no extra maintenance steps needed. If you start flashing nightlies or alpha/beta ROMs then you will start needing to monitor your phone for behavioral problems more.

There are no OTA's that cant be rooted. When an OTA comes out and you are rooted you should wait on flashing it as you would loose root if you did but in just a few days the dev's will create a rooted version to flash. Those OTA's will then be started to be used as the base for new ROMs.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mstinson23:
Root! Root! Root!

As far as requiring tinkering as has been mentioned just rooting alone won't change a whole lot for your regular experience. The fun comes in trying out new ROMs. Some of the ROMs out there are very stable and once installed shouldn't need a whole lot of tinkering either (unless you get the FLASH habit that so many seem to develop and decide to flash a new one every day *wink*).
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oldbushie:
I rooted and installed Thundersense 1.5 onto mine, it's pretty nice. :) While I am running into some problems with bluetooth audio, having root capability means I can actually tinker with the phone's settings to try to fix issues instead of waiting forever for Verizon/HTC to push out another update that may or may not resolve whatever issue I have.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yareally:
Not rooting is like driving around in a sports car with a parachute tied to the back.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mpfstc:
Just do it.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JBO1018:
When you root following Jcases method in the dev section you end up with a bone stock 1.13.605.7 with root. You might still get prompted for updates if you stay on the stock build but DO NOT ACCEPT if rooted. It will just cause problems and you might lose root or worse. I havent heard of Thunderbolts updating themselves but I have heard of Evos, I belive, that did. (according to users posts) So you never know but I belive something to do with Clockwork Mod Recovery(A custom recovery for android that you install after rooting.) will cause the update to fail anyway. As I understand it right now all OTAs can be rooted BUT the Gingerbread update will apparently close all known exploits to get root when it is released. There will always be rooted versions of the stock OTAs posted in the dev section you can flash if you want the newest updates and to be rooted. Of course there are lots of custom ROMs for the Thunderbolt to try out that are fast and stable. So I say root. It takes some reading and learning if you are new to it but its will worth it.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fxb141:
rooted and reloaded software

Thanks all for your advice! I successfully rooted my TB and it only took a few minutes to reload my apps and get it into working order. netflix is jumpy now, but could be the connection - going to mess with that some. not a big loss anyway - more of a 'wow, thats cool' than useful.

appbrain and HTC Sync with outlook contacts worked great for quick 'restore'

another question though - i am trying to remove the bloat and things like vcast and vznav will not let me uninstall. what is the best way to do this? i know i am rooted - barnicle works and has superuser access.

also, any good cooked sense roms that someone can recommend? not looking for one that constantly needs attention, just some cool things like cpu under/over clocking ability, and if SOMEONE would get a ford sync app that i could use voice command to text over sync - that would rock too!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orkillakilla:
Synergy ROM is my ROM of choice. It's based on the newest GB leak for the Tbolt, and has Sense 2.1 with Sense 3.0 features, so I find it less laggy than full on Sense 3.0 ROMs, and Ziggy's kernel (included in the ROM) works great with no SetCPU needed. It's worth a try. You can find a link to the download in my sig.

Happy flashing!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GMac0051:
that's awesome. i was think this very thing. I'm sold, I'm rooting.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fxb141:
Thanks, I would probably try this ROM - Is there anything i would need to change on my stock everything, no updates, no frills TB - like, will i have to update the radio before flashing?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fxb141:
I must say, i love the synergy rom! it seems fast and really rocks! I did have to update my stock base version radio MR1 to MR2.5 so i had service. flashing went great. many kudos to each and every post i read with regard to rooting, flashing, radios and roms!!! yes, i am a lurker, but thanks all around!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orkillakilla:
Glad everything worked out and that you are enjoying Synergy. Don't be afraid to try other ROMs though. I've flashed almost every rom out there and decided to keep synergy.

Sent from my HTC GingerBolt powered by the lastest Synergy ROM
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RunNgun42:
Too many horror stories for me to root just yet. However I get multiple update demands from verizon every day which is driving me crazy, and today was the first time it actually tried to update itself without permission. I just happened to open my phone at work and saw it trying to download the update on its own. There was no way to cancel it either, I had to reboot the phone immediately to make it stop. It has yet to reappear, but we'll see what happens.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Classick206:
Rooting isn't worth it. Most of the ROM's out now are just plain awful (some people have no taste).
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JBO1018:
What are these horror stories you speak of?? I haven't heard of one person brick their phone rooting and that's the only horror story I can think of involving rooting. It's actually a pretty easy process if you just read up on what you are doing first.

As for the claim all the ROMs suck...well everyone if entitled to their opinion but there are Froyo sense and de-sensed ROMs, Gingerbread sense and de-sensed ROMs, and AOSP ROMs. You can have sense 2.1, 3.0, or no sense. Lots of themes to choose from if you want them. I don't see how that list is any different from any other HTC phone. That is not even including the fact that a lot of them greatly improve performance and batery life.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RunNgun42:
There are plenty of threads where people have bricked or otherwise trapped their phones in reboot loops and so forth trying to root. Since there is no one-click root method yet, and everyone recommends you do all this adb low level command push stuff, I'm just not ready to risk it. I cant spend all night trying to unfuck my phone or go all day at work without it. No other phone seems to be as difficult to root as the TB.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JBO1018:
The method is not hard at all. Nor is it dangerous if you just follow directions and check md5 sums. The only really low level part of it is writing the eng hboot. But if you want a one click you might be in luck because I'm pretty sure Alpha-rev/Unrevoked's Revolutionary tool will work on the TB soon from what I hear.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dinclala:
Always root. Why not? At worst it gives you full control that you'll never use, at best, well... you become a flash addict and try a new rom every day :)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _Stomp_:
I like to root my phones just for the simple fact that it seems to make the phone function better. By functioning better I mean that you will experience less lagging. By rooting, you get rid of bloat. Bloat being the unnecessary apps and software that the phone does not need to function. This makes the phone work better in the long run. After downloading personal apps, your phones tends to slow down. Rooting will prolong this process.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] advocate2:
Here's the announcement from Dolphin. It only works on Honeycomb devices.

http://blog.dolphin-browser.com/2011/07/26/dolphin-for-android-pad-v1-0-beta-released/
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] darkonex:
Ya somebody already posted this last night in this same forum. Anyway it does rock, I immediately uninstalled DolphinHD after trying this, it's pretty dang quick and like the look and feel of it.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] cowballz69:
Scrolling is still jittery like original dolphin hd compared to default, I hope they activate graphic acceleration on next update
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] baseballfanz:
How do you use gesture? The Dolphin HD has the button at the lower left corner you touch to put it in gesture mode. Can't find that anywhere on the Dolphin for tab
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] agentgreen:
I like the interface more than HD but getting some FCs on some addons (xmarks)
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] advocate2:
I'm using it now and like the way it works.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] Adkinson:
Youtube speed test shows 30fps, scrolling could be better (slow redraws), there are a few issues when selecting text.

To use gestures press the "triangle in a circle" icon located on the top right and then draw your gesture.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] tonyz3:
Been using this since yest also... got rid of Dol HD as well. like the feel and speed is not bad. I am a big fan of the stock browser but this could be a good replacement.

accel would be a +.

took me a while to find the gesture button also. :p I actually think the top right is the best place for it. I think the swipe left and rt with the bk mrk menu coming out on top and a quick tap to get rid of is so much better than sliding the screen over:D
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] baseballfanz:
OK, so where is the gesture button?
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] agentgreen:
Hit the arrow button on the upper right and then make a gesture.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] baseballfanz:
Thank you, that was easy.:)
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] agentgreen:
Not very intuitive though hehe
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] ferparedes:
It's nice, fast and clean. Scrolling isn't too bad. But I still notice keyboard lag, less than on the other 2 browsers I have (stock and Dolphin HD) but it's still there.

Tested flash on yahoo finance, which is an interactive applet I use. It's *fast* :D
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] Drybonz:
I tried this last night and wasn't too impressed. It crashed on the first launch. Scrolling is not at all smooth like the default browser.

I really like that it automatically imports my bookmarks... that is really intelligent... however, it doesn't maintain the folder structure of the bookmarks, so they end up in one big mess, which kind of makes the auto import a moot point, since a person would have to organize them anyway.

I guess a person could always say "it's a beta"... which would be true... but I can't really see any advantage of this over the stock browser. Just my opinion.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] dazz87:
Just tried it right now and the load time is not as fast as Opera Moblie. There is some lag when typing compare to Opera. Overall, for me much better then Dolphin HD. Wish Opera had the font sizes as Dolphin and Default browser. Opera Moblie with bigger font sizes = :)
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] kdf2883:
Just tried it with youtube on 720p, it runs really well from the browser.:D
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] steftymo:
Is there a quick way of getting "history" other than through settings. Having to keep hitting the back button is a bit of a pain.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] Midda:
So is there anything interesting this does that the Stock browser doesn't? It sounds like it's not as smooth as stock.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] Magnesus:
Right now - not really. There was adblocker plugin but they removed it. Dolphin uses stock browser's ability to view pages anyway (it doesn't have it's own rendering engine). I like the interface of it better than of stock though.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] skinny50:
i like the app but it is still in beta . it feel slower to me than the stock browser.

they final add a forward and backward buttion . i hate useing gersture to navigate
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] indiscriminant:
does anyone have issues with video displaying on espn website ?
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] tonyz3:
yes saying devise not authorized
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] baseballfanz:
I'm viewing X-Games on ESPN3.com right now
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] joefloater:
Just found something cool, don't know if it is in the other Dolphin Browsers or not. Pinch to zoom on either the left or right edge (fingers moving together) switches between tabs using a cool 3d transition.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] baseballfanz:
Oh darn, nice find and no the HD did not have this feature
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] PhoenixFx:
installed it, looks promising, but slower than my current favorite (Maxthon Mobile for 10" Tablet). Hopefully they'll be able to iron out all the performance issues by final release.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] combat goofwing:
love this feature its very cool, just need them to sort out it going to full page when you scroll the web page and ill be happy

ASUS TRANSFORMER PRIMED
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] joshnichols189:
you know the keyboard lag exists on all hc devices?
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] ferparedes:
Are you asking me or telling me?
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] eep2378:
Been using this browser for a few days now. So far its been better than the stock browser in almost all aspects. Plays flash video A LOT smoother than stock browser. Speed is about the same. Overall I like the interface a bit better.

Also stock browser does integrate a bit better with other google services, gmail, google+, etc, but that to be expected. Nice intital release :)