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[Acer Iconia A500] themono:
CWM is nothing to do with this. Nor is anything to do with rom makers taking from each other and not giving credit, etc etc. It's really very simple.

A group of people put their time into making a kernel. They released it for free on the condition that anytime people use it, they have to release their source as well. Thor thinks he is above that. I don't see how anyone can be confused by this or think it's OK.

EDIT: And as Thor says, it (CWM) is under Apache license. Thor doesn't have to release anything with CWM, he's totally in the right.
[Acer Iconia A500] :
What I was saying was that your rant about apps being warez that DEVs include in their ROMS is irrelevant, as people can choose what they want in their ROMs on their own.

I guess the language barrier is getting in the way here. Glad this thread got moved. Good call on the mod that did so. ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] originalone:
see how easy it is for users to forget how CWM is booted.. fracking silly users. dont do too much xda leeching, you might get rom warez, if you're not careful.

he is fracking using a linux kernel based of GPL, which i think is not linked anywhere? pretty much like roms distributed with a kernel or explain the fracking different from a rom with kernel zip update to a fracking cwm update with kernel?

recommendation to thor'y guy: Link to official stock source/acer, and you are a fracking free developer, i fracking doubt anyone will get a fracking moderator to check your source, but yes, they can argue alot.. but you link official source, and you are fracking homefree.

you keep fracking repeating, that you accept xda forum for being the distribution network of rom warez from developers, but you want users to be selective on their download, you must be fracking kidding yourself.
[Acer Iconia A500] themono:
I'm sorry, but I truly have no idea what you just said. I'm not trying to be rude, it's just very difficult to decipher. As kjy2010 said, it's probably a language thing.
[Acer Iconia A500] originalone:
??? so don't argue and write, if you cannot read
[Acer Iconia A500] themono:
EDIT: Deleted my own post. Didn't add anything and just provoked a flamewar.
[Acer Iconia A500] dongimin2:
There we go.
[Acer Iconia A500] dongimin2:
reddit can answer this.

posted it, with a brief description
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
Yes, you do. If you release the kernel for others to use then you are bound by GPL to release also the source code to any modifications you've made.

If you did not release the binary for others to use, ie. you used it privately, THEN you would be correct. It's very simple: GPL dictates that if you release binaries based on any GPL software you are required to also release the source code to the modifications when asked for, otherwise you have no right to use the GPL software at all.

Feel free to ask EFF if you don't believe me.
[Acer Iconia A500] themono:
This is 100% correct. It's the act of distribution, not the means of distribution that matters.

Basically, if anyone can get your kernel from anywhere, you have to provide them the source too if they ask for it.

On a sidenote, I hope people appreciate the irony of Thor saying he won't release source because he doesn't want other people ripping off his work, while in the process himself ripping off the work of the hundreds of contributers to the linux kernel. The vast bulk of the code in his kernel wasn't written by him, yet he thinks it's OK to steal from the people who wrote it.
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
To clarify on what conveys an act of distribution: if Thor2002 in any way or form is the person behind providing a means for even a single other person of obtaining a copy of the binary then he is distributing it. Ie. someone hacking into his computer wouldn't be an act of distribution, but he placing a link on his website is, no matter where the file itself is hosted.
[Acer Iconia A500] daedric:
I have a question. How exactly did thor (or anyone else for the matter) get a old of the source? Don't tell me he actually programmed the entire kernel...

Think people, you got your hands on a kernel source, because someone was forced to release the source after altering it to the device in question. Most (if not all) companies providing android devices, have complied with this (although sometimes with a delay).

I understand that you might be pissed if someone takes your released source, alters it in someway (or not) and removes all credit from it. I would be pissed also...

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU GOT YOUR SOURCE FROM SOMEWHERE, TWEAKED IT HERE AND THERE, AND BANG!

Stole all credits.... from line code 0. If you don't release the source, you're pissing on the face of all previous developers, from Linus, to yourself.

Also, about that comment stating:

"Nostalgically thinking how much its fallen since the WM days..."

You're to blame also. Back in the day, rom cookers would provide something to the comunity, i saw many roms being release next to it's kitchen. Those that weren't, where based in another kitchen. People provided, from Olipof, to many others, and you're insulting most of them stating that the maturity of this website as fallen, when actions like yours are the reason and proof... when you're also to blame.

Oh... and to all others refering "He has provided so much to us, so many bug fixes and whatsoever more...."

10000 GOOD things do not make it up for 1 BAD thing.
[Acer Iconia A500] Neoprimal:
He's the next Steve Jobs :D
[Acer Iconia A500] dongimin2:
read this

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/j2qwf/randroid_please_give_us_some_enlightenment_about/

in violation.
[Acer Iconia A500] originalone:
so you blame m-deejay,dexter_nlb,thor2000ro for relasing cwm, custom roms and so on for including pirate apps, kernels without gpl source included (see early a500 roms) and so on, but xda has nothing to do with it, as they chose to ignore like they continue to do..

and you continue to ignore facts.. how lame can you go..
[Acer Iconia A500] thor2002ro:
ok lets talk licenses...

"GPL v2-licensed software cannot be bundled with non-GPL v2 software in a collection of software"

see this this says all 3.0+ roms with kernel are warez...
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
Now you're just making stuff up. I just read the entire GPL V2 license, and there is no such clause anywhere in it.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html
[Acer Iconia A500] skiddhard:
Looks like the issue is pretty much a stale mate. Everyone can keep providing his / her own interpretation of the GPL. The Mod's have a responsibility and they "incidentally" happen to be humans too. They are entrusted with making judgment calls for the betterment of the fora, and they can't really be blamed for what they did and will continue to do so in the future. And personally, I don't see the point of calling either of the concerned parties (XDA, it's Mods, the Dev's and the users) as biased or anything else too. Everyone has a different interest in this forum.

XDA made rules (and perhaps, laws) to protect the interest of its users as well as itself. Imagine someone filing a law suit against them. The forum is provided by them based on certain rules, just like a City governed by, well, the government. It is also run by individuals who have to take decisions for others. They can't always be right!!

The man who gave us the CWM enabling us to flash out Iconia Tabs on a whim, indeed is a great Dev. No two ways about it. When it came to the kernel, he was (and still is) a great Dev. But his decisions, whatever reasons behind them, were not in tune with the rules of XDA.

As for the Dev's, there are no winners and no losers. Unfortunately, in this "war of posts", the community as a whole is on the loosing side.

Let some semblance of sanity be restored for the sake of the community. That is, if they really matter at all!!

As always, my 2 cents.
[Acer Iconia A500] henk_j:
Lets go another way, does annyone who released a custom kernel/rom ask for aproval to asus acer motorola a.s.o.? we both know the answer from the companys don't we?

Besides that i would like to see and install a rom with the best of all roms floating around (or a noob foolproof way to make one myselve :D) legal or not ;)

And don't you think manufacturers follow the custom rom comunity? cause a lot of good things are comming out of custom roms.

witch manufacturers can adopt.
[Acer Iconia A500] sanaell:
you never answered me.

Why you are not sharing the source of your kernel, give an answer at least. thanks

not an obscure things.
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
As far as the kernel itself is concerned, there's no requirement to do so as it's not their code. If it can be said to belong to anyone, it's Linus's code.
[Acer Iconia A500] themono:
That's just untrue... where on earth did you get that idea? Android AOSP isn't even gpl, it's Apache. If that were true literally all android distributions would be in breach of the gpl. As well as almost all Linux distributions, which tend to mix BSD, Apache, GPL2, GPL3, proprietary, etc...
[Acer Iconia A500] themono:
That's more the equivalent of offering a mirror to the manufacturor.

And I don't blame Dexter or MDJ for anything.
[Acer Iconia A500] originalone:
HAHAHA... so when the internet is filled with dvdrip's and bad movie captures and scanned books and software with removed copy protection, is just doing the companies a favour? making many,many,many mirrors..

So mirrors of latest transformer movie as a digital copy, is just offering mirrors to a media that it was not intended.. il like that one..

I'm sure lakewood games loves to have their games distributed on acer tablets, when the license were sold to toshiba alone.. who cares!! its just money..
[Acer Iconia A500] themono:
That's totally irrelevant... has nothing at all to do with gpl compliance of the kernel or otherwise. My comment earlier was with regard to the Acer stock kernel prior to Acer releasing sources - which, by the way, was also not ok, but at least they released in the end.
[Acer Iconia A500] Semaphor_:
So in summary:

- Thor likes to rip off others and profit from their work.

- He doesn't care about laws or licenses.

- And he obviously has no interest discussing it.

His violation of the GPL is pretty clear and not really a point of discussion.

So what's left to do is reporting him to http://gpl-violations.org/ and if someone is really bored he can sue him;)
[Acer Iconia A500] originalone:
please read topic again.. gpl is broken, roms are warez.. thats the problem..

but only xda kills small developers doing gpl kernels, rom makers doing copyrighted and illegal warez are ok here.. fracking nice done...
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
^ Y'know, it'd be really nice if you stopped with the childish fake swearing. What are you, twelve?
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
Please elaborate, how is it broken? I mean, it is working EXACTLY as it was designed to.

That is true. You are in breach of copyright if you are distributing copyrighted works without explicit permission from the copyright holder(s). However if I read you correctly you think roms are warez only because of the kernel in use, which is again incorrect: for example Virtuous Galaxy includes software that is not GPL and for which Samsung owns the copyright and they have not given anyone else the permission to distribute their works.

Note that I ain't complaining, I'm just saying that there's ENORMOUS amount of misunderstanding and sheer willfullness here, people don't even try to understand copyright laws.
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
If that were true Ubuntu wouldn't exist.

In other words: bull****.

Almost all the different Android ROMs are indeed warez.
[Acer Iconia A500] daedric:
This website as always been on the border of illegality. I still remember the FTP, and MS asking politely for XDA to stop distributing copyrighted software.

Android ROMS have exactly the same illegal content as the old wm6.x roms. IIRC, Google asked Cyanogen to remove GAPPS from their roms. It cannot be bundled with their packs.

But can be freely installed afterwards. This situation, is the basis of Android. You can distribute it, just not with a few apps included (mainly Google ones).

The kernel... now that's different.. The question here is not the illegal content, it's the unethical and unreasonable approach of the devs on obtaining for free, altering for the community, distributing the altered version without allowing someone to fork/continue what they started.

The issue is, if everyone did this... with this approach... Open Source would be inexistent. Linux would be in they're 1.0 version on a floppy...

We don't care if it's illegal or not. We've always been illegal. We just care that it's unethical and unfair.

To the devs in particular, you must have your reasons. Why not state them? If you don't, the community will assume it's a personal child reaction, you just don't want to... remember... it's not YOUR source... it never were... it never will be.
[Acer Iconia A500] Torisen:
OK I'm not getting into the whole legal/illegal thing. I do have a question though. How does Thor profit?
[Acer Iconia A500] daedric:
Financially, probably he doesn't.

His pseudo-profit is, from what i could gather on this thread:

Get the source

Tweak/Alter the source

Release binary and source

Some funny boy uses said source, alters it or not, removes credit, and releases it as his.

Then he gets pissed, and does:

Get the source

Alter/Tweak it somehow/somewhat

Release binary, withold source.

And he becomes the new funny boy. Just a few minutes ago i was reading a mailing list started by Richard Stallman about emacs being in violation of GPL since 2009 for 6 or 7 files for which no source has been released.

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-07/msg01155.html

To quote:

Couldn't put it better... The dev, ethically, has only two choices. Delete all binary forms of his GPL violations and stop distributing them... or release the source.

Mod Edit : language please.
[Acer Iconia A500] dongimin2:
my opinion.

I believe that he should release the code, to have good karma. I mean, why not? I've checked the outbound connection logs, there seems to be no 'omgwtfbbq sending private data to me' ****, because kernels can't do **** like that. Why? Release the source, and save yourself from all the peril when some dickbag decides to sue you.

by the way, anyone can put a cease-and-desist, if one has released a modified Linux kernel of any kind by any way in any public place/site.

However, I am against these legal attacks, because that's just being a jerk that kicks devs because you hate him.
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
Too late.

Of course the kernel could do that.
[Acer Iconia A500] daedric:
And much more...

@MOD, i'm sorry for foul language.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xybadog:
I've already partitioned my SD Card with Fat 32 and 512mb Ext 3.

The problem I have now is some of the ROM's I like suggest having a 1gb Ext3 or 4 partition. How easy is it to repartition? How do I back up what's on the Ext 3 partition (I'm guessing though that I can't without a Linux OS on my PC)?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dzumagos:
in order to repartition you would have to use some other recovery (AmonRA or newer clockworkmod perhaps) that has the option to make 1GB ext partition.

regarding backup - NANDROID backups SD-EXT, and every recovery has an option of restoring some partos of bacup only (like only sd-ext but i think you dont need that since you want to change ROM) other option is to use a linux os, dont worry you dont have to install it on PC, generally you can run linux from a CD and make changes on EXT as you wish (again i dont know what would you like to do there)

if you dont want to / cant update recovery, download program Gparted LiveCD, and burn it to a CD. it will be bootable, boot it on your PC, then plug phone while in recovery with USB Mass storage enabled, choose the SD card in gparted, and expand your 512mb ext to 1gb ext3/4 partiton (still after the FAT32)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bortak:
http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html I'd reccommend using a partition tool from your PC, more reliable in my opinion ^_^

Vid on how to use it:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6vVLbtXJdg
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k3lcior:
Actually partitioning to EXT under windows cause only problems.

Use gParted or recovery from my signature.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bortak:
Oh, we learn something new everyday :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jakedude2011:
Well... aint I the lucky one then.

Partitioned 30 times under windows, with MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition, and never had any problems. And I have flashed A LOT!

So that aint all true!!!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k3lcior:
Just read forums more often, you'll find numerous people having a bootloop after partitioning under windows. :p
[Galaxy S II General] EH15:
Is it possible to turn off just the keyboard touch tones? I know you can turn off Audible Touch Tones in Settings, but that also turns off the dialpad touch tones, which I prefer to have on. Is there a way to separate the two?
[Galaxy S II General] ams84:
change the keyboard

try Gingerbread keyboard from market
[Galaxy S II General] EH15:
Only way? I prefer to keep stock keyboard as well. Works pretty good.
[Galaxy S II General] killall:
Which Keypad you using. I use stock Samsung keypad and it doesn't have any sounds.

Swype sounds can be switched off in Language and Keyboard Settings>Swype Settings
[Galaxy S II General] EH15:
Stock 2.3.4 samsung keyboard. What are your settings like?
[Galaxy S II General] scottishlad80:
Change your audible touch settings in sound settings sub menu.
[Galaxy S II General] EH15:
Yeah I've tried that. It also disables the dialpad touch tones which I actually want. I guess there's no other way around it other than using another keyboard. :(
[Xoom Themes and Apps] th4r:
Found this at the transformer forum..

Couldn't agree more.

regards
[Xoom Themes and Apps] kcrudup:
Thanks! Best player so far!
[Xoom Themes and Apps] ZanshinG1:
Wish there was a no-ads option, but it's good.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] kcrudup:
I'm going to send a note to the Dev telling him he should make a Paid, No-Ads option. A while back someone posted a ~95MB .mkv of Planet Earth in 1080P, and while MX player doesn't play it in any usable FPS, no other Xoom player I've seen will even attempt to touch it.

I'd pay $5 for this one. I'm just surprised how limited the Tegra2 HW codecs are; so many of the videos I have play in SW mode (but then again, maybe NVidia hasn't released all the specs necessary to take advantage of them?)
[Xoom Themes and Apps] brandogg:
I really don't get why anyone wants 1080p playback (unless it's for HDMI of course) since it's a 16:10 1280x800 screen, which is 720p (plus the extra 80 rows of pixels for the menu bar).
[Xoom Themes and Apps] jrezin:
really nice player indeed.

...but would even kill for a player with playback rate control and pitch correction through... (any dev listening? =] )
[Xoom Themes and Apps] jrezin:
because no one wants to reencode before watching.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] danbroken:
I tested with 720p mkv movies and not work. Screen remains black, but is not running. Any tip? Mobo Player run 720p, but slow or dropping frames.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] kwhy:
I have only tested MxVideoPlayer on divx/avi files and it is very similar to Moboplayer. I'd pay for a paid app also without adds if they would add/fix a few things below..

- Auto Rotate option.

- video playback should have option of resume or start over. I found a few bugs playing/resuming on videos that were incomplete. MxVideoPlayer would then show Video Playing Error when clicking on play because video was stuck on that *end spot*. The fix was to reset counters in preference to fix.

- add next/previous video button to toolbar and auto play next video in preferences.

Fix the above and remove adds and then I'll pay for that app.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] kcrudup:
Who wants 1080(p)?
[Xoom Themes and Apps] Arun01:
1080p will be on the Xoom 2..the screen on that thing goes way beyond 1080p.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] brandogg:
Well I guess I get it if you have a 1080p movie that you want to watch on your PC, PS3, etc, and don't want to download (or *ahem* re-encode) a 720p version. That makes sense then.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] rossvtaylor:
I'm intrigued by, and appreciative of, the suggestion. I did download and try it, but I don't see anything to tear me away from Act 1 (which I've been quite happy with). Probably, I don't understand which format to use - but, I tried re-encoding a movie at 1080 and MX Video wouldn't play it any better than Act 1. Which is to say, I got a "format not supported" message and no joy...
[Xoom Themes and Apps] navossoc:
Any ideas why this app (MX videoplayer) needs our GPS location?
[Xoom Themes and Apps] k66473:
this app is cool.

Thanks for sharing.

REgards
[Xoom Themes and Apps] nsxz0o7:
you guys see a diff between s/w code and h/w codec. Seems the same
[Xoom Themes and Apps] FenixSI:
It is not working for me, are there requirements for specific mkv codecs?? my mkv files never worked proporly 3.0, 3.1 or 3.2 with mobo, rockplayer or this one (just tried with 3.2)
[Xoom Themes and Apps] Timbledore:
Nothing will play in HW, it all plays SW. Even when I uninstall and reinstall both the app and codec.

Thanks happened to me with Mobo Player as well.

Stock, non-rooted, US WiFi only on 3.2.

Any ideas?
[Xoom Themes and Apps] musashiken:
What kind of files are you trying to play? HW mode means that the app will make use of the Tegra2 hardware acceleration.

That means it will be subjected to the limitations of the Tegra 2 chip. The Tegra 2 chip can only decode certain 720p h264 formats with certain profiles and up to a certain bitrate. Let's not even go into 1080p.

Not only that, the Tegra 2 can only decode certain audio streams as well, so if your videos are in AC3 audio, you have to reencode the audio to something like AAC.

You can use a program like Mediainfo to check what formats your video files are in.

Edit: I think some folks are still not familiar with video formats and what the extensions mean. Mkv is just a container format for video files, similar to Avi. What's important is what codecs are used to encode the video and audio streams.

For example Avi files usually have divx/xvid encoded video streams and mp3 audio streams, mkv files have h264/mpeg4 AVC video streams and AC3/AAC audio streams.

So 3rd party apps are just able to open up these video containers and attempt to decode the video and audio streams for your viewing.

But they will use the CPU to process them using the app's built in codecs where possible if the chipset doesn't support it.

You can refer to the official specs of the Tegra 2 to determine what kind of video/audio compression formats it can decode.

So technically, the Xoom can playback avi files encoded with divx but because using software to decode requires some licencing fee in certain scenarios so that's why Honeycomb has no basic support because being "open source", Google did not pay for the licenses to playback some of the supported video formats. I may be wrong about this but it makes sense.

If you see other tablets like the Transformer or the Acer Iconia, you will realize they can playback more formats because the manufacturers probably paid for extra licenses and added playback capability into the OS. At least that's what I figured out.
[Xoom Themes and Apps] Timbledore:
Thanks, these are mostly xVid with AC3.

Mainly TV shows that I have missed. I rarely have time at home to catch up and more time on the move. :)
[Thunderbolt General] nerogold:
Does anyone know How to change screen on TB ?
[Thunderbolt General] bthomp21:
nope, still a mystery.
[Thunderbolt General] motorcycle:
vague question but if you mean the actual physical screen check youtube. there are some vids for that process.

sorry i cant post link with minimum post activity
[Thunderbolt General] nerogold:
Thanks. It is the physical screen not LCD.
[Thunderbolt General] oxidant11:
Incase you haven't found it yet here ya go :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdPiT82gWKw&feature=youtube_gdata_player