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[G2 and Desire Z General] darthmelk:
I had the random reboots before factory reset and I don't have them anymore. GPS was and is always on on my phone, so this probably isn't the trigger.
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
reboots

Did you have reboots or just Sense restarting occasionally, lasting for about 8-15 seconds??
[G2 and Desire Z General] darthmelk:
I had both, now after factory reset I only have Sense restarting after I use some apps, but no more random rebooting (full restart of the phone).
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
Thanks. I - and most of us complaining in this thread - have mostly only Sense restarting.
[G2 and Desire Z General] marlar:
I have now solved the problem by installing a new launcher. I chose Go Launcher EX. It is magnificient!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arrch:
I think sense restart has something to do with the memory heap of apps configured in android, or something like that.

I red it somewhere in virtuous sense rom logs.

I guess the best solution remains flashing the phone.

By the way, everything works better since i'm using virtuous rom.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dapprman:
For me

High memory usage

Sense occasionally crashing (causing background and sound settings to reset)

Out of memory errors

White HTC screen hangs coming out of some apps

More apps crashing

and the killer for me

No longer syncs with my PC

HTC were useless and basically said Factory Reset, Factory Rest, Factory Reset (which of course did not work). it's now due back from them (via Vodafone UK) for the second time, this time back to 2.2 (and hopefully stability and synchronisation bliss). First time HTC totally ignored my detailed report I supplied and just reinstalled Gingerbread.
[G2 and Desire Z General] banannq:
Not sure if it's a bug but definitely not a feature

I only had my DZ for about a week before OTA happened and cannot tell much of a differences in it;s behaviour. It does all that sense restarting tricks and i think i am missing some photos in gallery. But what i noticed at first is the different way the carrier logo is being displayed in the unlock screen. Before the update, i had a big logo of my home network on unlock slider, and just below to it there was another carrier name, when in roaming mode. As Play does have domestic roaming agreement with Plus operator, this functionality was quite useful as i knew what to expect when it comes to using my data plan. Now i still see R icon on status bar, but i miss the old way. Or maybe there simple is a solution / settings change to get it back somewhere?
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
Can anyone confirm a hard or factory reset won't solve the problem? I mean the Sense restarts. I am not lazy, I just don't wanna do it if it doesn't help.

Hungarian HTC doesn't know what our problem is, they say do a hard reset, then do it again, so just bla bla.
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
It did not help for me. After factory reset it was just as bad. I've been using Go Launcher EX for a few days now with no restart issues.
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
Launcher

Will that cooperate with Sense? I mean, isn't it killing the advantages of Sense or messing with it??? Does it keep anything from Sense, like the flipclock or so?

I may try it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
You lose the Sense widgets. As for the clock I use Clockr and the Go team team made a pretty good calendar widget. Other than those two I only use Extended Controls so I'm not so heavy on my widget use.

Apps like sms is still Sense.

Since Go Launcher EX is free I would suggest you try it out :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] racoonowner:
Frustrated

I must say i was pretty excited over the gingerbread OTA when it was released but after how many weeks with it im seriously regretting the update.

My main issues with the update are the random crashing sense ui, (white htc screen) sense ui crashing/rebooting when changing/exiting apps.. the phone rebooting while in the middle of certain apps or games to be more precise(eternal warriors and even cut the rope) and it being generally laggy compared to my stock froyo.

I uninstalled a lot of my apps and even did the factory reset to no avail.. (it improved a bit but after a few days it became laggy again) I even made a very noob mistake by forgetting to backup my contacts before doing the factory reset...hahaha..

More resently i decided to attempt a root and flash a custom rom, but im hitting a road block.. i set up a thread here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1257931 and im still hoping someone would help guide me...

In the mean while i just installed a replacement launcher, Lancher Pro, it seems to be running a lot smoother now.. im yet have it crash on me, ive been running it for 2days now.. and i installed Fancy Widgets to get similar feel for the htc flip clock widget...

I chose launcher pro over Go launcher coz it has a less drastic change from the stock sense launcher (the app drawer to be specific)...
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
idea

I was thinking if the 3.x (New) Market could be causing this.

I think it sucks anyway, it is much slower than the old one was (apart from this it is ok) and what if it's taking too much resources forcing Sense to start over clearing the ram/cache?

Anyone with the old Market got the Sense restarts? (so that we could exclude it)
[G2 and Desire Z General] darthmelk:
I never got the update to the new Market, so we can exclude this.
[G2 and Desire Z General] craiglay:
Me neither..

I seem to have a pretty stable Gingerbread though.. I installed a rooted pre-release and did a wipe with clockworkmod. I also use Sense.

I have started to see some hard reboots requiring a battery pull but I'm overclocked with the Unity kernel so expected.
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
Idea

Folks, it is definately a memory issue - yet has to be worked about by HTC

If I just use a single app, say Facebook and go to home, that is ok.

If I use my RSS reader (in my case Justreader) it is fine, but when I open a link, or a video, go back read more postsm still fine but when I go to home from here.... I have the white HTC screen and Sense reload for about 5-10 seconds.

It is pretty annoying.

I may do a wipe & hard reset, cause I got this phone for Xmas, got the 2.2.1 update then and the 2.3.3 some time ago and I have been just using the phone like this. (which should be the way... i guess)
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
SOLUTION! (?)

Hey Folks,

Today I did a wipe (factory reset). Backed up mostly everything, did a volumedown+power on (needless to explain it here :D ) and then started to import or set everything back again.

I am installing apps slowly, I mean not everything right on and up to now I had no Sense restarts!!!

Previously I had about 70 apps installed (that's what Market says) now I only have about 10-12 yet. I do not wanna put less back, I wanna test what caused the problem. I may leave a few from the previous ones off though.

Just to name a few, I have Viber that is you know running all the time not eating a lot of memory though,

I have Justreader, FB, Twitter of course, most of google's stuff, well, usual stuff.

I used to have whatsapp, lot of the things were not running all the time. Fring, skype that I used a lot. Xe currency, documents to go, Navitel, I donno, just regular apps.

If someone already did this and still has the restarts let me know :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] dapprman:
Alas tried the factory reset - no joy. My phone also went back to HTC via Vodafone UK twice, both times with explicit instructions to remove Gingerbread and instead put Froyo on - both times they just reinstalled 2.3.3 - no change. In the end Vodafone UK swapped my phone for a brand new sealed one as we thought that was a way that we could guaranty it would be 2.2.1 or 2.2.4 - however it must have come from HTC as well as it already had Gingerbread on it with exactly the same problems as before.

Vodafone UK customer support 9/10

HTC 0/10
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
I got tired of the whole thing and jumped into downgrading and rooting my DZ. Apparently I downgraded it to become a myTouch 4G Slide, lol! Now running Virtuous Doubleshot 1.1.6b with a few mods. Couldn't be happier :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
not bad

I kind of understand what you're saying. I don't actually wanna lose Sense, I'd rather have a solution for this. Can you give me the link to the uptodate, working and safe way for downgrading and rooting?

There are sooo many threads about it, I cannot follow them.
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
An excellent guide for downgrading:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1178912

I used this method to root my DZ:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1055581

I guess there's no such thing as a safe way but it is a working method, lol :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] rockgod:
Hey everyone,

I've been waiting to upgrade to gingerbread until you guys...much smarter than me...gave your approval.

I have my phone temp rooted using visionary, using Launcher pro, and overclocked. This set up works for me just fine, so I never felt the need to perm root.

I've read through a lot of this thread and see that a major obstacle is "sense"crashing. Not really sure what "sense" is.

Is it safe to do the upgrade yet, or are there still too many bugs?

Thanks guys
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
re

Well, Sense is the UI. The flipclock, Friendstream and the whole look, that makes HTC phones different from stock ROMs and Ericssons and Moto's etc etc.

It crashing means that when you go back to home screen it takes some time to load, a "loading" logo is displayed and then after 4-10 seconds you get back to home. I (we) guess the system cleans enough ram in the meantime for Sense's processes to run smooth. (well, this is what the thread is about... :D )

I have upgraded to Gingerbread when the OTA came out without hesitation.

There improvements, too, you may find a thread about that too.

My answer is yes, upgrade. (donno though what it takes to revert your rooted phone to where it was originally, if that's what you meant by being safe)
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
downgrade

Everytime I start reading the ADB guide for dummies that takes me on to debranding for dummies then rooting I just lose the want for a custom ROM.

It is such a hassle.

I used to flash my Touch Pro 2, it was easy, I didn't fear ending up with a brick, but the guide was waaaay much shorter.

I might want a Virtuos ROM, that is closest to stock and it is sense based.

Cannot I just run ADB, downgrade, root and then flash???
[G2 and Desire Z General] chongox:
the reboot thingy is really annoying

since I upgrade to gingerbread I HATE using my phone

that reboot thing happening every time I close an app is driving me nuts

I tried factory reset / no widgets / etc and nothing works is time to get root and get a rom and stay away of "sense" for the rest of my life.

The real problem is I have a desire z on t-mobile uk is running android 2.3.3 and sense 2.1

I been trying to find a guide but im really confused since weeks trying to find which guide should I follow for downgrading / rooting.

Please for the love of internet can some one point me to the right thread

many many thanks
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
Look 5 posts back for the method I used to root my DZ :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] chongox:
Hi there, I did look at your post, and you seems as frustrated whit the whole thing as I am, however the downgrading guide start with

"This guide is for anyone who has a "Stock Gingerbread" Rom on a G2, Desire Z, or myTouch 4G phone, allowing them to downgrade to the original Stock Froyo Rom."

my gingerbread is not stock is with "#@*&^$&* sense" and I was not sure that would work.

I'm so sick of this I would try anyway.

thanks
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
Stock in this case means the stock Gingerbread release with HTC Sense. I had the same as well but am now running Virtuous Sense 2.0.0 which is warmly recommended if you like Sense. It's basically the same ROM as stock minus the buggyness ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] ilbeppez:
So on virtuous 2.0 the sense is not crashing?
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
Haven't happened to me at all with Vituous Sense.
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
With me neither.
[G2 and Desire Z General] chongox:
how to root your gingerbread desire z

Hi there after your post I follow the 2 guides,

(to anybody else the most difficult part is to make ADB work)

and I have my phone rooted so quick, that I spend more time trying to decide which ROM to install.

Sense was crashing so bad on gingerbread that I would like to don't ever use it again, I even started to hate the weather widget (lol) all in all custom ROMs & stuff is a question of personal preference.

I played the safes option and went for cyanogen and after a couple of days using it I feel that is the closes thing to vanilla android.

However is clear that sense give some more polished experience but is too bloated for my taste.

Thanks
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
Glad to hear it was helpful :)

I actually like Sense but I also like it to work! After rooting my phone I played around with a couple different Sense 3.0 ROMs but found them too slow and memory-heavy for my taste. Until something better/more exciting comes up I've settled for Virtuous Sense 2.0.0 which is basically the same as the stock Gingerbread experience with Sense 2.1 but A LOT faster. It runs completely flawless it is such a joy to use and I don't feel the need to try and change that for the time being. No Sense restarts and no hot reboots either.
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
Same here. Virtuous 2.0.0 is THE ROM.

So you're saying, playing around with Sense 3.0 ROMs will not convince me? I have tried Viruous Unity and I'm not saying it is extra slow, but not as flawless as I'd want.

But: don't you have a battery thing on Virtuous 2.0.0? I literally see the digits count back. Of course, I have a lot of syncing going on, I use Facebook, Foursquare, Viber in the background, I don't make calls this week much (I have another SIM in another phone) but I don't remember my stock GB eating the battery up so quickly.
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
What works for me might not be the best for someone else. Lots of people are happy with Unity or other ROMs.

I get through the day on a single charge just fine on Virtuous Sense so no problems with regards to battery life for me.

I have Viber running in the background, Google+, Whatsapp. I browse XDA using the app frequently, a few phone calls, text messaging, Gmail, Wordfeud and a bit of backgammon. Also I often snap a few photos. What I would call moderate use.

Brightness is set to auto and I usually have about 20-30% left when I plug my phone in at night.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I have 3G on from around 7AM and then switch to wifi around 4:30PM. Usually plug it in around 10PM.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
im on GB OTA. suck ah. sense keeps on restarting. when i use firefox and press home, boom. restarts.

i hate it.

i have too many emails and communication stuff which makes me hesitate to go on custom rom. :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
Just go. Reading ADB guides might frighten you in the beginning but it is NOT that much of a hassle.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
yeah familiar with it. before i jump into it, how do i put it back as if its was untouched?

can i easily run RUU latest or desired version and that is it?

anyway, it so annoying. i'll try to change first the launcher. zeam. see if it helps.
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
this will help

I followed this guide http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1178912

and this will bring you BACK to untouched too later

Gotta go now... sorry...
[G2 and Desire Z General] PtaQ1982:
Hi. I do not know if this will help, but since I have not installed any task manager (after uninstalling I did soft reset) Sense restarts occur only after leaving the storage-hungry 3D games (not always), as besides everything is should be:)
[G2 and Desire Z General] costipl:
I don't use a task manager and Sense regularly restarts after leaving Market (the old one) or the web browser...
[G2 and Desire Z General] borjaox:
If pushing keys in the hardware keyboard lauches apps is because the search key is 'software stuck' in this firmware version and you are getting search + keys combinations. It happens also to me but it is not necessary to reset, normally hitting the search key in the hardware keyboard unblocks it.

I am also getting the sometimes part of the notification bar white. Also I loss touch response in part of the screen and I have to swipe down and up again the notificatio bar to restore it.

I do not use the stock launcher, but I did not stood in memory even with the Froyo firmware. I do not manage to get other launcher to stay in memory either, even enabling the options some of them have for that purpose.
[G2 and Desire Z General] duplex_:
Have to say that when i first time install [ROM][07/18/11] Virtuous Sense v2.0.0 :: Enhanced & Optimized Stock ROM (2.42.405.2), after pissed of ota update rom crashes, it feels like YES perfect rom.. and now i have tested almoust every sense 3.0 or 3.5 rom and they have random crashes and some difficults etc. wifi and now i'm back to virtuous sense 2.0. So my point is, root your phone and put virtuous sense and you have perfect rom that don't crash and it's uses phone hardware to max performance.. 3.0 and 3.5 roms are too heavy to our phone
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
really sucks having to wait senseUI to startup again. the fact that it gets kicked out from the memory, hurts more.

i already setup too many email, IMs and remote to my phone. so im having a hard time deciding to jump into custom roms.

if only there's temp root which allows me to run root-required apps like autokiller/tweak the memory threshold.
[G2 and Desire Z General] borjaox:
I am decided to root my phone and install a ROM without Sense. It only uses memory and I do not use any of its features. I will go to Virtuous G-Lite or CyanogenMod instead.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
hey, can you update us stock GB OTA vs. Cyanogen?

im also thinking about it too.. thanks.
[G2 and Desire Z General] moolash:
hi

I think you should downgrade. It may work, but next time when ever going back to stock from root, u might not be able to get root ever again, that's what they say. I have a European Desire Z, I downgraded, wait until someone from the US answers.
[G2 and Desire Z General] vicqoo:
RESOLVED!!!

Haven't visit XDA for almost a year after my previous Samsung i780 WM phone was gone! I had upgrade 2.3.3 since last month (in HK) and suffer the loading issue of the sense screen. Just searched some Taiwanese forum, and strongly recommend u u to install "Super Manager" from Market, and just enable the 'auto clean up' function at the setting of the app.

Now, no more loading so far!!! and I assume it's wasn't really the bug of the sense 2.1, but sense is too thirsty and eat too much memory; when u use a more demanding app, the machine just 'quit' sense and release the memory and cause the 'loading' all the time.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
i wanna try. so after install, config, and that's it?

as much as possible i dont want to use custom rom, too many stuff already configured.

ADD:

installed it but didn't help. still the same. installed it and enabled the memory cleanup

went to settings > manage apps > scroll up and down and pressed home -- boom. Sense restarted. :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
additional update: the sense restart was significantly reduced by the super manager. if sense restart issue severity is rated 90% now its about 60-70%.

but still it restarts. not a guarantee. what does super manager clean up? memory of cache stored in disk/internal storage?

i have a memory monitor and it doesnt change at all...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Obvious Robert:
Hi, I'm a long time XDA reader, first time poster.

I have a UK Desire Z with the OTA 2.3 Gingerbread update, and the Sense restarts are really beginning to ruin the experience of using my phone now. I just want to downgrade it back to how it was before the 2.3 update. I've been reading the guide on this page:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1178912

I'm not necessarily interested in going the whole hog and rooting, I'd be happy just going back to stock 2.2, but I have a couple of questions I'm hoping someone here can answer.

Firstly, the stock ROM linked to on that guide is 1.34 but I probably want to go back to literally how my phone was prior to receiving Gingerbread, I believe it was version 1.72? Is there anywhere I can download a copy of the stock 1.72 ROM?

Secondly, as I understand it, the downgrade works by tricking the OS into believing it's v1.0, so it just accepts the stock Froyo ROM as a normal upgrade to the OS. If this is correct does the downgrade keep all my existing data on the phone like a normal upgrade does or will I have to back everything up first?

Thanks for any advice on this, I just can't any longer put up with the bugs in this version of Sense for the few meagre benefits Gingerbread brings :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
you'll have to start from scratch. so backup your data.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Kueber:
Since you have, like already mentioned, to start from scratch, go root your phone. Stick to this thread (I rooted mine several days ago) -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=18691171#post18691171 and flash the mentioned ROM (Virtuous Sense 2.0.0) - it's a HUGE improvement. You're getting a stable Sense UI and all the benefits of gingerbread on top.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
what version of gingerbread is on it? 2.3.7?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Kueber:
Sense 2.1 , 2.3.3. Just like stock gingerbread.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Flash05:
oh. not 2.3.7 like cm7.1? hmm now im thinking which one....
[G2 and Desire Z General] Kueber:
If your device is rooted, you can easily try both. Titanium backup is pretty handy :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Obvious Robert:
Well last week I finally took the plunge and got around to rooting my Desire Z and installing Virtuous ROM, and I'm please to say I'm very happy with the results! :D It's not entirely perfect but it's a massive improvement over the stock Gingerbread experience. The main thing is that the Sense restarts are completely gone, haven't had a single one since installing Virtuous. Other good things are the trackpad wake, it's buttery smooth to use, the ROM overclocks the processor to 1Ghz on demand and the battery life seems just as good as stock - in some aspects better, it hardly loses anything when in standby now.

The only stock bug that's been carried over that still annoys me is that the hardware keyboard shortcut for Select All (Menu+A) is still broken. It worked fine in Froyo, don't understand why they had to break it for Gingerbread, but there we go.

If anyone's interested, these are the links that I used to help get it done:

Guide for downgrading to allow rooting:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1178912

Rooting Guide:

http://xdaforums.com/wiki/HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD

ADB for Dummies All In One App (made installing and using ADB so much simpler):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=502010

Fix for problems installing Desire Z USB driver for using ADB:

http://alt236.blogspot.com/2010/11/htc-desire-z-aka-htc-vision-aka-t.html

Virtuous ROM:

http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/sense.html

And a big thank you for the advice and encouragement to root my DZ!
[G2 and Desire Z General] chrisstavrou:
I wanted to thank everyone for insisting that rooting /virtuos Rom is the way to go. It's a perfect Rom and following Roberts instructions (thanks for this Robert) the whole process is completed within one hour max.

A very happy sense on desire z user.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mikeinashed:
Are there any adb guides that don't assume a general knowledge? I feel way out of my depth with it. I keep getting permission denied errors just following the simplest instructions.
[G2 and Desire Z General] whpsnp:
If you look in this post (which you will need to look at anyway going forward) there are a few links that are very useful. Just below the introduction :)