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[Xoom General] JoTeC:
I have both devices and I am still trying to decide which one I like more. The Xoom is built better, no question. The TF has build quality issues, no question. The TF has IPS screen technology, a much better screen than the Xoom but you will deal with light leakage around the edges. The TF offers the keyboard dock which is probably my favorite feature. When I go anywhere with it, I can simply close it and set it down to protect the screen or case, then undock it with a simple slide button. I hate setting my Xoom down, it seems to leave it vulnerable to scratches or damage.

So my best advise is that no matter what you buy today, there will be a better device tomorrow. By Q4 2011, we should have a Tegra3 processor and Android 4 ICS. Then I will pony up for a "best device" and I'll be happy, for a week or so... :)

*EDIT*

Just for grins, I took a couple of pictures of the Xoom and TF side-by-side. Screen brightness set to 100% on all devices. TF on the left, Xoom on the right. Looking straight-on at the devices, there is a such a small difference. But at any side-to-side angle, the TF is definately better.

First image TF left, Xoom right straight-on

Second image TF left, Xoom right, 45 degree angle

Third image is TF left, Xoom center, VS GTab right straight-on
[Xoom General] Kippui:
Thread hijiack below:

^^ Can you link me to that wallpaper? :)
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
Search Amime Girl on Google Images. Zedge also has it, that's what I used for my phone...
[Xoom General] kosenn:
I got my Xoom wednesday at Staples for $399 with a $100 off coupon. I was thinking about the samsung Galaxy tab, but there is only one connection unless you buy a seperate docking station.
[Xoom General] drdoja:
I also got my xoom on Wednesday and I must say I love it! It is a bit heavy at times although I'm sure I will get used to it. But in comparison I feel like tf has great screen but lacks in build quality imo
[Xoom General] laxwillsch:
When the transformer first came out I had some buyers remorse but I gotta say as time goes on i am happy with my xoom. I love the build quality and having updates first is awesome. Also the tf is really bulky.
[Xoom General] drsteven2:
Thanks
[Xoom General] okantomi:
Q: How often do you need to view it from the side? Won't the Xoom offer more privacy from "prying eyes?"
[Xoom General] hipertec:
Actually I just bought the TR yesterday because the screen was much brighter and colorful. Having larger angles on the screen is a plus to me (better viewing angles) and truly I will use it inside my house 80% of the time so privacy is not much of a concern. The Xoom screen was a bit washed out to me.

I do love the build quality of the Xoom and I am sure I will experience some issues with the QC from the TF but the price 299, screen, and being a bit lighter sold me on the TF.

For some reason the xoom felt much heavier, especially if you have to hold it for a while.
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
I know right? I don't know any operator will be off to the side... But, I use my tablets for playing back in-car video recordings from our race car and when I have several drivers standing behind me watching the videos after the session, they are off to each side. So the angle view is somewhat important to some users. As far as denying prying eyes, that award goes to the VS Gtab. Gawd, that thing is horrible... :D
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
But, you got the 16GB TF for $299 as opposed to the 32GB Xoom. Face it, you need both... :D Although I have way more money in my TF than my Xoom. $499 for the 32GB TF, $149 for the keyboard/dock, and $75 each for the 32GB MicroSD and SD cards... Grand total is way over $750...
[Xoom General] Chubby_Skunk:
The ASUS and XOOM are the same price for the 32GB. Eventhough the XOOM doesn't have a 32GB model.

The ASUS has the keyboard dock and also has a better screen. Other than that The XOOM has better battery, better build quality, and gets updates sooner.

If you want 15 hours of battery life and a netbook style, then the ASUS is a better choice. (extra 7 hours from the laptop docks battery)... but if you just want the completely stock Android experience then go with the XOOM.
[Xoom General] okantomi:
I think you mean the rhe Xoom has 32GB and the Transformer has only 16GB.
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
I saw his typo too but I know what he meant. "The ASUS and XOOM are the same price for the 32GB. Eventhough the XOOM doesn't have a 16GB model." The OP said he paid $299, so he had to get the 16GB TF with a $100 off coupon. TF retails the 16GB at $399 and the 32GB at $499. TF and Xoom 32GB are the same price, retail.
[Xoom General] okantomi:
I appreciate your indepth and frank comparison of the three tabs. I think that we all have our preferences and certain things are more important to some people than to others. So thanks for that.

But I really strongly disagree about the Xoom having a lame or dead development community. Your signature doesn't indicate that you have tested out any of the current Xoom, especially Tiamat development efforts. l'm interested in knowing just what amazing improvements the Acer and Asus tablet development communities have come up with and how our developers are falling short. This is meant as a serious question...I'm really curious and because I don't have direct experience with either of those tabs it would be great to get this info from someone in the know.
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
Great post, you have found the same results as I have. That being said, I enjoy both my TF and my Xoom. The Xoom does feel more rugged so I don't mind the thickness. It feels a lot like my VS Gtab when holding it. The TF is the one I always head out the door with because of the dock. Not that I need it for typing but when I close it, my tablet screen is protected. When I carry my Xoom, I never set it down to avoid scratching the back panel and this leaves the screen vulnerable to damage since it is exposed. I will keep them both and then I have the best of both worlds... :)
[Xoom General] SlCKB0Y:
Yea I actually don't have any ghosting issues and I'm not in denial, it just isn't there.

But thanks for telling me what I should be seeing and being condescending about it...tool.
[Xoom General] okantomi:
You know, I bought a $19 real leather case for my Xoom with a nice magnetic closure which also provides two different angles - for viewing and typing...I would never leave my Xoom naked, lol.

Not that I'm worried about scratching this tank, just feels good to have a non slip cover.
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
Yeah, I gotta do something... :rolleyes:
[Xoom General] tagacapiz:
used to go naked with xoom. and then i dropped it from elbow height. luckily or unluckily, hell i won't drop it again to find out, it landed flat screen face down on the floor and not from an angle.

xoom. definitely solid build. but i have a portfolio case now. not taking chances.
[Xoom General] okantomi:
Isn't that like buttered toast always lands butter-side down?
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
Yep, dropped the TF from only about 2 or 3 feet getting out of my car, just got my foot under it as it fell to transfer the vertical impact to vertical/lateral impact onto the garage concrete... It was closed in its dock and came through without a scratch... Whew...
[Xoom General] muzz3256:
I had the Acer and returned it and went with the Xoom, GPS and a durable case were the game changers fore me. For HD movies, I've been using a program called Handbrake with special imported settings for the Xoom. The stock player is probably the best one I've used, but it has an issue with 6.1 surround sound, so Handbrake converts it to mp4 and stereo sound. The only thing I miss is haptic feedback, Xoom doesn't have any vibration functionality.
[Xoom General] seven2099:
Since you clearly ARE in denial:

Go to: http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testsoftware/ghosting.html on your almighty Xoom, then set it next to a Transformer and/or Iconia or for even more evident results, a GT10... and count the squares you see after all movement on each screen. Heck if you have even a half decent modern LCD screen on your modern computer, just compare between the xoom and the lcd.

enjoy the LOLS...

You sir, are the tool.

And if you still don't see it, stop being an idiot and get over your ego. The xoom has ghosting period. And even if you don't choose to see it, it has ghosting in comparison to the TF, Iconia and GT10, hell even the LG pad

PS: In case you don't know what to look for, when you have a good display, you can't see a trail of squares after the moving square. The larger the trail, the lower the quality in the display.

The truth of the matter is, Motorola decided to be cheap on the panels, so what who cares? I still love my Xoom.

I'm able to love it and be objective regarding its drawbacks.
[Xoom General] seven2099:
Xoom (Stock Unlocked Bootloaders, android recovery, fastboot support) - Tiamat ROM plus 1 iteration of that ROM. Xoom has been out the longest of all tabs almost since january.

Transformer (Unlocked bootloader + recovery, no fastboot) - 6-8 ROMs, 3.2 already, galaxy tab 10 GUI port, already... pleanty of kernels. Has only been out 2 months+

Acer Iconia (LOCKED BOOTLOADER and NO RECOVERY... those two are HUGE hurdles) and it has 4 ROMS and now has custom recovery... Has been out longer than the TF by a month.

Samsung... well you get the picture. (Wont mention this one because its got a larger Dev community and the tablet is way better than the Xoom in all aspects except panel quality)

Comparison is really clear, just go browse their forum and see how slow the Xoom community in comparison. Having said that, I do have 3.2 tiamat on my Xoom and I love my Xoom to death.

As for the Ghosting and washed out colors, this is almost completely fixable (at least for color correction) if only one of the devs would pick it up and do color correction like has been done on many devices before.
[Xoom General] Kippui:
You know their custom roms have bugs right?
[Xoom General] JoTeC:
TF still on 3.1. Build 8.4.4.11. Close to 3.2 but still, not 3.2...
[Xoom General] okantomi:
Interesting, but as you said, who cares? Except for the test, I never have seen these ghosts. I have watched plenty of videos and have never seen any weird visual artifacts, certainly nothing to affect my viewing pleasure. But thanks for the information.
[Xoom General] wrongfeifong:
I just came back from a A500 iconia. It isn't the transformer, but out of 3 screen i love a500 the most.

But the weight is unbarable, the XOOM is pretty light Not to mention a bit thinner then A500 iconia.

However, the sound quality was not too great on comparasion. But the a500 giving me "lock up" with no touch responses time from time and invalid updates that require a factory reset. I just went for the XOOM.

XOOM is the only tablet out of all that can watch H263/4 properly, if you are looking to watch anime, XOOM is clearly the winner.

also less junks app.
[Xoom General] SlCKB0Y:
You do know that there are at least two completely different kinds of LCD used in the xoom (and possibly more than that), right??
[Xoom General] hilfiger2k:
I've had my Xoom for about a month now. It was a UK Xoom and using a guide on here I installed the us stock rom. Anyway now I'm on 3.2.

All I can say about the Xoom is that although it is a great tablet I feel it's got more and more laggy as time goes on.

I've decided to sell it and get a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 as it seems that's the best one at the moment. It's being delivered tomorrow hopefully.

Anyone else feel the Xoom is very laggy. Sometimes it's OK but it started to really annoying me so I decided to sell while I can still get a decent price for it.

So I don't recommend anyone getting a Xoom. The Samsung 10.1 and Transformer are the best tablets at the moment.
[Xoom General] Kippui:
You flashed something wrong, how can a stock tablet updated directly from google be more laggy than similar spec'd tablets?

It does not make sense?
[Xoom General] okantomi:
Whatever the reason, I don't think you can draw the conclusion that "Xooms are laggy" as mine most certainly isn't. You need to clean out your system and tune it up from time to time like any computer. Anyway, enjoy your new tablet.
[Xoom General] screwhead89:
Just bought a Xoom.

Choose that over transformer because -

-> Transformer is bigger in size yet screen is the same size.

-> Build quality on Xoom is said to be better.

-> Xoom will get updates first over all tabs.

Although Galaxy Tab seems to be better it doesn't have an SD card and for me that's a big no.
[Xoom General] SlCKB0Y:
Did it ever occur to you that we have fewer roms because there is less need? We are getting updates first so of course devs of other tablets will be hacking up frankenroms of our updates...
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
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Let me give you some of great advise to carrying around the Xoom, The Otterbox Utility Series Latch: It's Amazing for the Xoom. I use it everyday and have NEVER taken it off since I got it . You can find it cheaper on Amazon or Ebay. I LOVE it. Has a handle to carry around and latches to carry around the neck. It's an Amazing device. Check it out. Even has a pouch to the prop up the Xoom to type and read. I just leave the top left latch undone so I can get to the Power Button easier. I Can see the full whole screen with no interference and it protects wonderfully. I am using this case if you are wondering.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-Xoom-B...?pt=US_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item4aabe190bf

http://www.otterbox.com/OtterBox-Ut...AD1_color=20&start=2&cgid=motorola-xoom-cases
[Xoom General] okantomi:
Very cool case.
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
It's very light too
[Xoom General] Kippui:
Yea and have way less bugs

but then again we don't have voodoo sound or touchwiz. :(
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnny0911:
I think I have found a issue with the wifi disconnect policy, I'd does not seem to dico when in standby. I have left it in standby for 20 min +. Coming from stock, when I would press the power button I would see the 3g switch to wifi. Should I see that on 3.1 3g xoom running timat v.1.1.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ebsebs:
Sorry about posting in General, but I'm not allowed to post in Development.

I am currently running HC 3.1 firmware version 8.4.4.5 rooted by following the Pure Root method. Everything works fine, and I verified that I have root access with Titanium Backup.

Now, I tried to do the same thing for the new firmware version 8.4.4.11. I followed the procedure exactly, including copying the two .img files from 84411.zip into the root directory, then running root.bat.

I get all the expected success messages, both on my PC and on the TF screen. However, when I reboot, all I see is the "Asus Eee Pad" logo for about 5 seconds, then a blank screen, then the Asus logo again, forever. The TF refused to shut down and restart normally, even after a hardware reset.

I'm certain I followed the procedure correctly, as I managed to reboot into APX mode and use the older root method to get back to a working, rooted version 8.4.4.5. I tried twice more to get 8.4.4.11 working, with the same (lack of) results.

Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions on how to make it work?

Thanks,

Eric
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NoctMonster:
i got kinda the same problem, but it gets stuck on the splash screen
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] gobluewolverines4:
Is it gone forever? Haven't seen it in the Market in awhile. Links would be appreciated.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] jdsemler:
You can find it in the SlideMe market.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] mrevankyle:
Its on slide me marketplace like the guy above said. Its now on version 2.0.(2 or 3 cant remember off the top of my head). works great but you might want to hook up a wiimote or something its kindof hard to hit r and z on the tablet form factor.

Edit: it is version 2.0.3 and it costs $3.99
[Acer Iconia A500] officetally:
How visually appealing is the screen on this beast? I'm talking like contrast ratio, how whites and darks show up, color count, depth, any washed-out effects, pixel appearance, how bright/vibrant the colors appear, (basically I'm not concerned with responsiveness, just what it looks like to the eye.)

Thanks!

Edit: forgot to ask how the ~256k colors appear, instead of having 16 million.
[Acer Iconia A500] sanaell:
go for a galaxy or transformer so...

Acer screen will not fit your "requirement"

I mean, you move your little fit to a shop, take with your little hands each tablet you can try on this shop, ask with your little mouth if you can try tablet...

look with your little eyes the quality, make your decision yourself...

each people are different, we can't choose for you or make any neutral feedback....

feedback = feeling back... what we feel after try...

so far I don't care so far of the 256k, I care about the responsiveness... and the acer have the same "style" of PSP... can be nice sometimes or boring...
[Acer Iconia A500] Neoprimal:
I'm not sure if you're flame baiting or not, this is a rather peculiar question because I think it's very obvious to anyone with common sense then more colors = better picture.

But to answer you sincerely (in case you are genuinely asking), 16m colors is perceptible to me as richer color. I have 20/20 vision and I still don't see or consider what I see on the Iconia to be "washed out" as some would call it.

The only difference I'm seeing between the Galaxy Tab and Iconia are deeper, richer hues and this is generally when it comes to viewing icons, still images, etc. It doesn't translate to video on a whole scale basis. The colors on the Iconia to me are brighter and lighter while the Galaxy Tab colors are darker and richer. The colors on the Galaxy Tab are vibrant and pop while the ones on the Iconia are crisp and clear. In video, the only thing I can really see differently are richer skin tones in movies and more solid colors in cartoons. The black is seemingly darker but not due to the color, more so due to the screen technology. Blacks are black on the Iconia. There is a visible grid in the iconia screen at certain angles and with certain colors but I don't 'see' it unless I look for it. Again, due to the technology.

If you put them side by side I have no doubt that one would pick the Galaxy Tab BASED on screen quality. But sometimes it's 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other; there are obvious and important trade-offs between the 2.

I'd just go look at them if I were you. It's pretty easy, they are both sold by most big electronics stores.
[Galaxy S II General] astarem:
Hi,

I have just updated my unbranded and unrooted stock rom device (bought in France) from KE2 to KG1 through Kies and it is still showing 2.3.3 as the Android version.

Forgive the noobness but is it normal, or did something go wrong? :)

Thanks!

Edit: Being a noob I posted on the wrong sub-forum. Can a moderator move it to Q&A please?
[HTC EVO 3D] bso44:
Is there anyway to do this with the 3vo yet?
[HTC EVO 3D] mcmikecruz1:
No lock app
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] tuen:
But it seems it's not compatible with my 3g flyer. Anyone know a way around this? Is the apk floating around somewhere?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
I had to install it on my phone, register it. then back it up with TB and restore using TB on my Flyer. THEN it worked, otherwise it would just force close on startup.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] johnchad14:
oh interesting. I just got force closes after installing apk and gave up...will give titanium backup a go. Guess I have a reason to root now!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Farsquidge:
.

If you have a 3G Flyer and can not see certain apps on the market, it is due to carrier/country limitations.

First, I advise you save your desktop theme (or it will reset to default HTC, as when you bought it)

Borrow a US or European SIM card from someone (if you don't already have one) , shut down and then insert it into the Flyer.

You will be asked to confirm your Google password and then when you go to the market, it will be open.

Soz to the WiFi only guys, this is something that will not work for you until PPTP VPN is working for Android so you can fake your location..(or does anyone think that's WHY, PPTP encrypted has never worked... Hmmm)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Sorry that is simply not true. I have the 3g flyer with a US sim and I am in the US and I don't see the full market. MANY Alps are missing, including viber.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Farsquidge:
It is true as far as the country/carrier situation (or did you not read my post! I can use sign language if you wish. ;) )

You may be in the US (country) but your carrier may not allow viber to be listed as it is a voip package and they would lose their nice call profits.

If an app still does not show no matter what country/carrier, then that is down to the actual developer not having approved your device in the compatibility list. Either there is a real compatibility problem or he just ain't got around to it yet.

Don't moan if you sideload it and it screws your device....:rolleyes:
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwraggcan:
Ext3 ext4 partitions

I'd like to learn aboot this. Insert coin rom says it needs ext4 but I've flashed that rom with an ext3 partition with ext3 alignment without any problem.

I wanna do it right but when I download gparted and boot the iso I get errors and it's not happening. I partition the sd card to ext3 with cwm3.0.0.5. If I use a cwm 4.xxx does it mean I can't restore ext3 backups?

Sent from my Motorola Startac running Atari 2600 software!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MatDrOiD:
You can restore a backup created with cwm v3 with v4. But you should not restore cwm backups with amonra or reverse, it will cause usb brick.

Sent from Oxygen with Transparent XDA App
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jamdev12:
Hi all,

I've looked at forums in the DEV section and can find a tun.ko module for an earlier kernel of the TF101. None of the ROMs including Clemsys, Revolver's, Netformer's, Prime's and any other I have download include this module in their kernel builds. I would like for this module to be included, which was in Prime 1.2, but that was for a kernel that is no longer in use and that is for Honeycomb 3.0. So my question to the Devs is, why no compile tun.ko for any and all the ROMs you deploy?

:confused:

Thanks for your response.

In case people don't know, tun.ko is the module that allows a rooted device use an app like VPNC to log into and create a VPN tunnel through a Cisco VPN Concentrator.

jamdev12
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AustinMartin:
Are you sure, TUN isn't in prime 1.6? I see it listed as added in version 1.4, so I don't think that it would have been removed in updated versions.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] guptaavi:
All the ROMS you mentioned (clemsyn, PRIME, Revolver) include the tun.ko compiled into the kernel. You do not need any external tun.ko module for VPN to work.

However, the trick to get VPNC to work is to rename the file /system/bin/ip to /system/bin/ip.bak. This causes the /system/xbin/ip to be picked up instead while works fine.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jamdev12:
guptaavi,

Thanks for the info. I'm stupidfied and you have enlighten me. I know that sounds corny, but I appreciate the help here, because since I did not see the module in the /system/lib/modules folder, I thought it wasn't compiled. Now I know the difference between compiling it into the kernel and compiling it for the kernel.

jamdev
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jamdev12:
Hi guptaavi,

So I must be stupid, because I did what you just told me about changing the file name for the /system/bin/ip to ip.bak, but the VPNC widget takes forever to start and it just fails. I know the settings are correct because I can run VPNC on my OG Droid without issues. I'm running CWM7.

Do you have any suggestions?

jamdev12
[Eee Pad Transformer General] itman2000my:
If tun.ko is build into the system, how do we setup OpenVPN to use tun.ko? How do i tell OpenVPN where the tun.ko file is?

Pls help as im using PRIME 1.8.4.

TIA

JL
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] reocej:
Anyone care to tell me what the highest stable overclock they have achieved on the Rhodium/Touch Pro 2 with Android?