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[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Yeah that's what I do. I have 2 samsung OEM, and this past week I flew 18 hours to asia and 18 hours back, and never charged my phone while I was there for 4 days... just be creative with swapping batteries and use airplane mode when on the plane or your phone will drain at about 3x the rate "searching..."
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
Hell I guess me to. Damn people just flame ya on your on opinion
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
Oh definitely. I even shut off the wifi when I'm just driving around. After a few more days I'm going to see how long it (2.0) lasts under normal usage until the battery is tapped.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
What are you, 14? You sound like the space cadets over on Mac Rumors defending Apple. If you are as knowledgeable as you seem to think you are about batteries and battery ratings you would know there is no way by any truly measured means that battery could make a hill of beans difference that you wouldn't be able to write off to variations of use of your device. You're talking 200mah here which is totally meaningless which can be nothing more then an error variation.

The **** one gets from eBay for pennies (which is the same stuff US sellers sell for dollars) is never close to advertised rating. There have been tests with professional testing equipment on dozens of similar camera LiOn batteries from some of the same sellers and NONE of them EVER came close to their advertised rating.

If you think 200mah can make a difference (assuming it is really that) you are living in a another dimension.

"LOL"
[Samsung Infuse 4G] thestraubulous:
I know right? We are so abused these days lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Calm down:

1) There's plenty of stuff on eBay that's not crap. I'm an eBay Powerseller, and I don't sell "crap" ... well at least not to most.

2) 200mah might be meaningless to you and me, but if it really does give him 200 extra mah for the same price as the stock battery and he wants another battery, who are you to criticize?

3) What the hell is a "hill of beans" ??? I promised I'd behave, so I won't make any derogatory comments about the MrEd and Hill of Beans and what that might indicate about you. When you use a "hill of beans" comment, you really should avoid mocking someone else for using "LOL"

4) You reference "professional tests" by "professionals" on these batteries. I'd love you to cite your sources, because I didn't realize there were any people out there with the title "professional infuse 4G ebay battery testers"
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
No I'm 28 buddy like I said it works for me I don't care what you think I was actually commenting to Bella and others who aasked. Your opinion is your and mine is mine

Just relaying my findings to forum. Calm down man just opinions here I never said I'm a doctor of batteries and i know everything so shut up.LOL I said its my opinion. Were a team explaining each others findings,if all you can contribute is negative responses then so be it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
You're not a PhD in Batter E with a Infuse 4G? ;-)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
Some people may think hehehehe
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Waltercln:
Thanks Bella for the pics. Sucks about the crack I went in and purchased but just hope it's not the same seller cause obviously he handles with no care.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
(1) I have been a Powerseller on eBay since 1999 as well but what does that have to do with the crap Chinese stuff that is all over eBay? Where did I say you sold crap? Chinese imported batteries off eBay have been tested professionally for eons, and in general they are "crap." Not saying they don't work but they are almost without exception poorly made, poorly spec's and sometimes even dangerous as their charge limiting circuits are more likely to fail which can cause anything from overheating to explosion.

(2) 10% is a margin of error when it comes to REAL batteries made by reliable companies so 200mah is nothing assuming the battery is truly rated, which, if it comes from these mostly shady dealers in China are not. (Just like the counterfeit SD cards). They even fake the UL or other label ratings because you can be sure they don't send them here for testing.

(3) Huh ... that was my laugh, And yes, it was meant to be sarcastic. If the other guy can call me names I can "LOL" all I want.

(4) Professional testing ..... I'll have to go back to my photography forums and find the engineer who was testing all the 3rd party LiOn camera batteries that users were sending him for testing. He was sent dozens if not hundreds of batteries for professional testing and created some fantastic charts which are quite interesting. No, they weren't Infuse batteries but do you think that makes a difference? What he did prove was that the vast majority of "eBay batteries" weren't worth the time waiting for them to arrive from China. That also included batteries from companies like Seidio. WAY overrated. Sometimes by as much as 50%.

I own lots of those cheap batteries for my ham radio gear, cameras, R/C aircraft and my phones but I know that "buy cheap get cheap" rules and I am well aware of the crap batteries that come out of China for $3 to $10 (or $15-$20 for the same batteries from US sellers). I am also well aware that 200 mah means nothing. Think about it as the current rating of a tiny hearing aid battery or the batteries in a "singing" greeting card.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] cline2:
I ordered other extended battery the back door looks better than others

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005G00TJG/ref=mp_s_a_15?qid=1312856239&sr=8-15
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
For those interested in learning some interesting facts about batteries, especially LiOn, this is an excellent site to peruse:

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Especially the parts about how fully discharging them can reduce their life by a lot.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Lesson # 1, "LiOn" is not the correct way to write abbreviate Lithium Ion, unless you work as a zoo-keeper in the Lion's Den, RAAAAWR.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
Just opinions man no need to fight thanks for opinion and criticism.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
Your grammar is incorrect. You need an "or" between "write" and "abbreviate."
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Wow, you crack me up.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
Glad I made you laugh. No I can go to bed satisfied.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Your GRAMMAR is incorrect, you mean "NOW" before "I" ... *coughcoughdouchebagcough*

;-)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
Nah, just a typo. I only have 2 fingers on one hand so it's not easy. I lost the other hand when a 1950mah battery blew up.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
I don't want to know what your other hand is on.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
Wow really man.I said lets move on.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
I agree. He's obviously got no experience to back up his blanket statement that all batteries in China are crap. I'm guessing he fails to understand that almost every battery for a cell phone made in the last 10 years came from China one way or another, but hey, let him stick to his misguided opinions, more cheap batteries for the rest of us. :-)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
Yea. I tried to put the flames out but ohh well
[Samsung Infuse 4G] vagelis:
I must say, this has been an amusing read, thank you all.

Well, I have been running this extended puppy since Friday, on Infused b3 and final, and though I understand that the gingerbread build is more battery-friendly, now I do not have to charge midday once or twice. I can generally now run for the full day, with moxier exchange mail, 3 hotmail accounts, one yahoo account, gmail, plume, Facebook, g+, and 3 updating widgets. Not bad at all, as always ymmv.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
I think your reading comprehension needs some attention. Please point out where I stated "

all batteries

from China are crap."

Quite obviously I am only referring to the cheap stuff. Everything comes from China these days. Before I retired 95% of what my company purchased was from China and Korea but everything was spec'd and tested to assure it meets those specs when landed.

As I am sure you are aware the items engineered for major companies follow specific specs to assure their ratings and quality and safety while the cheap Chinese knockoffs, the ones that sell on eBay for next to nothing, are pure crap. These are also the same batteries that some US based eBay Chinese sellers sell for 3x more than their Chinese counterparts. You can tell who they are usually by the broken English in their ads.

I bet you if you verified the CE (or UL for chargers etc) on the labels you'll find most all are counterfeit.

No different then the $15 32gig uSD cards.

Also, regarding your previous message, if you can't carry on a debate without the childish name calling please take it elsewhere.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
This was a funny read, start by insulting me then close by saying if I can't avoid childish name calling take it elsewhere?

You're a class act gramps.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
I didn't see any name calling there. Maybe a little deserved insult because you were either intentionally misquoting me to the benefit of your argument or aren't able to understand what I was saying. More likely the former.

As for "Gramps" .... I am proud to be just that. 45 years of success in business and 2 kids, both who have masters degrees in Chemical engineering from top Universities and 2 grandchildren so thank your for your unintended honor, I accept it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
I'll give you the last word. I've really had enough.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
To give update on the 3500mah battery I've been testing. It's been 7 hours and the battery has discharged to 93%... exactly 1% per hour. At this rate, I'll get 100 hours (4 days) of typical usage out of it... WOW!

Impressed so far. Will be interesting to see how it performs as the battery calibrates.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] rohit3192:
How long it take to full charge?

also are these battery safe(I think these coming from china so is there any risk of explosion/leakage :eek: etc)?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Full charge felt like the same as any other battery, so hard to tell since it was 40+% charged when I got it.

No, don't listen to the yellow journalism about chinese batteries. There have been millions sold, and yeah, a handful of people have had them leak\explode, etc. Every year 35,000 people in the US die of the common cold. Are you worried about dying from a sniffle? Of course not. For the most part aftermarket batteries are perfectly reliable.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
For those open minded folks out there here is an article from Techcrunch about the CAPACITY RATINGS of 3rd party CELL PHONE batteries talking about a fellow I am very familiar with who has tested phone batteries under controlled conditions.

The Techcrunch article: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/21/ar...tery-manufacturers-deceiving-their-customers/

The testing results: http://batteryboss.org/

Another article: http://mobilitydigest.com/beware-of-counterfeit-oem-batteries/

And other from the same person (read the messages from the "eBay vendor) towards the bottom:

http://mobilitydigest.com/batterygate-ii-exposing-fakes/

And another: http://mobilitydigest.com/beware-of-counterfeit-oem-batteries/

If, after reading this all you want to do is throw mud and call names please go elsewhere. If you want to discuss this as an adult please feel free. From the results a pattern can be seen with regard to 3rd part battery CAPACITY VS ADVERTISED specs. He has fought with manufacturers Mugen and Seidio and come out pretty well.

The testing was over a year ago, the fellow who did it now has a real life so he no longer is involved and shut down his once very active and open discussion board but you can be sure things haven't gotten any BETTER since then.

Again, this is related to ADVERTISED CAPACITY VS. ACTUAL CAPACITY and not to any one specific battery meaning a 3500mah battery may only truly be 2700mah and a 1750mah probably well below that. The ONLY way to tell is to test the battery under strictly controlled discharge / charge conditions. ANYTHING ELSE is purely guesswork.

EDIT: Here is Doug on XDA with an even earlier discussion thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4940324#post4940324
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
To be fair, the batteries most of us buy on ebay deserve that 'journalism' (yellow sounds a bit offensive frankly.)

From my own battery experience buying on ebay, it's 50/50 if you get one that has comparable service to an OEM. For my old Nokia 5800, 2 out of the 4 either died quickly or didn't work out of the badly shipped envelop from hong kong. For my old HD2, I got 3 bad batteries before 2 that worked.

Then again, they're so cheap that I don't mind spinning the wheel of chance ;)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Normally when people say they're done speaking on the subject they stop writing. Clearly nobody in their right mind who is paying $12 for a 3x capacity battery is expecting the same service, function, or reliability out of a product, but you make it sound like aftermarket means junk. So let's go with your theory and say 2700 mah... realistically the Samsung OEM might get 1600... I'd say more than 2x the factory battery in a single battery at twelve dollars is a banging deal, and that's IF it performs at 66% of promised capacity...

Tho before I read this I was about to post that it's been 14 hours and I'm now at 87%, so it's using less than 1% per hour.

I also want to add for those people who are actually reading this forum for info on the battery and not interested in all of the the crap that's coming out of the horses arse: In playing with this battery the last 24 hours, the back they send you is VERY slippery, so be VERY careful, because I normally don't drop my phone but have had several close calls already.

Oh and the seller responded and has shipped me a replacement back plate.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
LOL, this (at least my) discussion was about the ratings and the "increased power" of the 1950mah battery not the 3500. That's where I jumped in. I happen to agree with you fully on the 3500. If it's really even 2500mah it's worth $10, crap or not, which was why I ordered one weeks ago when it came out.

My "had enough" was regarding the off topic, name calling, petty & childish messages that were slinging back and forth, not an adult like discussion of a topic from which some readers might get some value. Hopefully it can continue on that positive track.

Love,

Grampy Ed
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
This is what happened when I read your post last night.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] cline2:
With 3500 mah i unplugged my phone at 1030am with 100% then ten hours later at 830pm 66% with using alot of text message (handcent sms) with mutli long vibration due to me being deaf. I think its great isnt it?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
It's outstanding!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MisterEdF:
Guess not. Oh well. :rolleyes:
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
there has definitely been some good info in the thread....it's a shame you kids can't play nice, it would have made it a much easier read.

based on the comments from you and a few others I went the route of a $10 1800 with wall charger...The brittle,shiny black battery door isn't something I am interested in. Didn't really want the added bulk either.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
yeah for $10 ya just can't go wrong.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] parcsalooc:
This battery has been great for me. I have gone three days w/o charging w/ average use. I have also cut a 3.00 case off ebay to fit around the battery while protecting the precious edges of my Infuse. Looks fantastic
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
Got mine today, it's charging.

Replacement battery door was cracked from the get-go.

Well it was only $13. I might be able to glue it back together.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
The SECOND one they sent as a replacement was cracked as well? They sent me a replacement and it says it's out for delivery today. It damn well better not be cracked or I'm just going to say fuggit... lol. I'm not paying ten bux or ten cents for a broken product. Doesn't make sense. It's not like a less hard plastic costs more, they just made a bad call for the way they made a product.

Unfortunate because it adds such great life to the product. I may just deal with it. Still unsure why the 1970mah aftermarket battery is so disproportionately priced.

Oh well. I have a feeling I'm going to replace this phone with whatever the next great Android is that's out in 3 more months anyhow. LOL. Sick of ATT being so far behind in their official Android version releases.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Auto-Android:
Mine was fine. No cracks or anything. Probably a box fell on it in the usps truck

Nightmare Infuse
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
EHHE, I like your "nightmare infuse" :-)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
Sorry, when I meant "replacement battery door" I meant "replacement for stock".

I've contacted the seller to see if I can get just a door.

As to the 1970 mAh being not much less - there's probably a fixed cost of materials for protection IC, contacts, etc, and the battery itself might not be that much more.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Yeah that's what I don't get, the aftermarket standard batteries are $5, the 3500 mah are $10, and yet the 1970 mah aftermarket are $30 ?!?!!? That doesn't even make sense, lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
Oh, that? Well, as I understand it, the aftermarket 1970s are physically compatible with the standard batteries?

Higher energy density = more expensive. The 3500s are high-capacity but not high-energy-density.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Huh? The 1970mah is physically the same size as the 1750 stock, so it has higher density, but the 3500 is the same denisity as stock as it's 2.5x the physical size. That argument holds no water because I have a 18volt drill with a battery the size of a small child., lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
That's what I mean - higher energy density (1970 mAh in the same physical dimensions as the stock 1750) is going to be significantly more expensive than a battery that achieves high capacity by being bigger/heavier. You're pushing more limits, the engineering challenges are harder and the quality control must be better.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
That's generally not the case, but I'm guessing since there's seemingly only one maker right now, that's driving their ability to hike up the cost.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] TheNetwork:
Extended, slim battery ftw. This thing would make it bigger than my horse... I don't care much for double battery life when I don't need it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
comes with a bigger back door just like any other extended piggyback ... look at the pics in this thread before u ask.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] TheNetwork:
l2read, why do you think I said extended slim battery ftw,

THIS

thing would make it bigger than my horse, and I don't care for double battery life.

Seriously, try reading it again.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Right, so by "extended slim" you mean the one that nets you 5% more life than 1 OEM for the cost of 2 OEM batteries. Smart cookie.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
That battery.is already.**** to wont hold charge lol I'm done with eBay on.batteries fyi
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Which, the 1970mah or the 3500mah?

Also, your post shows there's another annoying bug in Infused 2.x... the typing always inserts periods where they don't belong, it's annoying. I thought I was the only one having the issue, but reading your "battery.is" and "already.****" and "on.batteries" I'm glad I'm not the only one with this glitch. Super annoying when I'm trying to reply to a text and I have to edit periods out 4x in a message. :-(
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
Yea. They suck period lol both my battery's are bad but 3500 came today and it was broken lol oh well bit 1970 wont even hold a charge for.ten min lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Hmm.I.ordered.the.3500.and.the.first.one.came.with.broken.casing,but.the.battery.charge.capacity.is.great. Glad.i.didn't.order.the.1970.tho... hehe
[Samsung Infuse 4G] tyshemi:
Your on your period lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
I blame infused. lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Phillyfan1290:
It's not the rom it's the user, try hitting alittle farther left when u wanna hit the space bar and it wont happen

Back on topic the 3500 battery didn't even last me a full day and came broken sending back for sure hope mine was just defective
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Oh, so pressing on the key isn't where I should be pressing?

It's NOT the user, it's the ROM, because both stock, and Infused 1.5.x had no issues with the keyboard. Stop being so defensive. It's not a user issue if your response is "push to the left of the key". ..
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
It's not the battery it's the user. I have the 3500 and it's fantastic, lasts 4 days without re-charge.

Maybe you should shift the battery to the left an inch.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] cline2:
I received other extended battery it looks nice!!

All for 15 bucks at http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005G00TJG/ref=mp_s_a_15?qid=1312856239&sr=8-15
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
I like the style of that one's battery cover much better than the other one, although it looks like it would be more impact-sensitive due to the extra empty space.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
I agree about this one looking better, and the material\color seems to more closely match that of the phone, but at the end of the day they both turn the phone into quite the beast, hehe.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] -Kevlar-:
just ordered this battery and cover on ebay for $13 and free shipping. not a daily thing, but great to have for long trips or when im working an extended shift.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...518699&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_666wt_1170
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
Yeah that's exactly why I got mine. When I fly internationally (about twice per month), I find that the phone expends a lot more battery because when I land I turn it on and it searches, which seems to take more power. And it's nice to be able to land and tether for internet access right away without having to first worry about finding a charger.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] cline2:
Yeah I need longer battery due to being deaf I use vibration a lot for text and bright display. It lasts me longer. Love it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
How do you make phone calls? I always wondered about that. Do phones support the TTY (I think that's what it's called) or do you use some sort of adaptor for the phone or what?

Are you on Infused? Seems like the vibration on Gingerbread is by default a bit softer, but I notice it can be adjusted. I turned it all the way up and I thought m phone was going to self-implode, haha. :-)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] -Kevlar-:
One of my best friends in high school was deaf. We used to talk through an operator. He would type and the operator would read it to me. I would say something and the operator would type it and send it to him. We used to talk **** about the operator and they would have to say stupid **** about themselves. it was awesome.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bella92108:
That's funny!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] cline2:
I use handcent SMS it has good vibration and has repeat vibration. I use aim to call hearing people thru relay service. Don't need TTY. It will be history.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] usnswcc:
Does anyone have a custom case they made for the extended battery design? I have a few cheep cases from ebay that I think I might cut out so I can at least have some sort of protection around the edges. Any pics posted would be awesome. My 3500 will arrive soon. If I make a mod to the case I will definitely post pics. I will most likely cut with an exacto knife. Will try to be as clean as possible so it won't look like a$$
[Samsung Infuse 4G] -Kevlar-:
thanks waiting on it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] usnswcc:
Awesome thanks. I have the same case. Love the grip on the sides and how sturdy yet flexible it is. Unfortunately the extended battery I bought has a gradual slope on the back cover so I have to improvise.