yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S II Android Development] the_scotsman:
Devs are leaving because the number of noobs/numpties/trolls/flamers has increased so dramatically, that they are having to spend more time dealing with them than actually doing the real dev work and discussion.

I have no bug up my nose. I simply do not want any more trolling by posting crap in all the ROM threads, as this is EXACTLY what is driving devs away.

Not sure what you think my true colours are. I've been a member here for many years, well before Android was released. That was when xda was all about developers helping developers, and non developers learning how to do things for themselves.

How times have changed.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mynameisjon:
and how some devs have carte blanche when to flame anyone they please? what about that?

selective enforcement much?
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
Could not have said it any better.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] zikarus:
No way - I definitely do not support a pure arbitrary separation as is.

And besides that (not adressed to you tbong) - please stop argueing about the wrong side of the issue: the separation in the SG2 forum has nothing to do with better clarity or noobishness by some.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] seshmaru:
Your sig says it all, you can't even prove your work is original.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mynameisjon:
lol. of course my non-existent work isn't original. thanks for the observation captain obvious.

learn to read twat.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] seshmaru:
I guess you are unable to read your own sig then, seeing as its crying about work being removed because evidence that it wasnt a copy wasnt given.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mynameisjon:
Maybe you live in some part of the world where you can be accused of a crime without proof, and you're the one who needs to prove your innocence.

So I don't blame you for being a tad "touched".
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
I don't know anywhere outside of the old Stalinist Russia and WW2 Germany that requires you to be guilty first, prove yourself innocent otherwise. Only difference here is that instead of saying "Papers, citizen" it's "Papers, developer".

THAT is what his sig refers to. This whole scheme is demeaning to the developers who work hard to deliver ROMs free of charge to their fanbase; in exactly the same way as a rogue communist state does. The only ROMs that got accepted immediately without contest are mates and senior mods. There are several ROMs in the "Original" thread that the developers were caught out at least once on SGS1 for copying other peoples work - yet you allow them to be declared original immediately. "Papers, citizen" indeed.

Right now, I refuse to use ANY mod that is in the so-called "Original ROM" thread; and I urge all users to do so until this stupidity ends.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] seshmaru:
I guess you're paranoid as I see a bunch of different ROMs in the original development section.

Also no, XDA is not a communist country, it's a dictatorship, why? Because it's not about the users all being equal, it's about the devs all being superior.

Also if you choose to use copy paste work over original work, why would anyone care about that? Real devs don't make ROMs for the user, they make them because they enjoy doing it.

Also last time I checked this isn't about crime. I guess copy pasting ROMs is a crime according to you guys though.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
Precisely. And a lot of those ROMs are developed by members who have been caught out in the past on SGS1 for copying work; these are people that were moved there without contest or need to prove themselves.

Secondly, we have ROMs in the non-original thread who ARE original by nature of being among the first to develop ROMs, yet are not in the original thread without contest.

Actually, I was drawing a parallel to the demand for papers to prove that a developer is original, when some developers (of whom some were guilty of copying in the past) are moved over simply by virtue of having rank. This is a common theme in Stalinist communism: all are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Secondly, the demand of developers to prove themselves is just like a communist country where gestapo would demand papers from citizens that lived there for generations already. Exactly like here, developers who have worked hard for prior models of phone - being proven to be honest - but now have to prove themselves when others who are known dishonest people are let through freely.

Additionally, all roms that derive from Samsung are defacto not original. The only two ROMs in existence that do not do so are MIUI and CM. If the problem is as stated, then ONLY THOSE TWO ROMS ARE LEGITIMATE for the "original" thread.

The problem is it is ostracizing developers that work hard on their particular release. On SGS1, Darky used to copy DocRambone's ROMs constantly (often without giving credit), but added something special which the users of that ROM used to appreciate over Doc's work. Some of them were great: the modifications made to Doc's work added some stability for some devices out there. Point being, it took something and made something new just like other rom developers do.

I see no reason why a developer should have to beg for permission to be considered as original when a good collection of those already accepted have no credentials other than being a senior mod, or being best mates with a senior mod.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] seshmaru:
You made 1 vital mistake though, ROMs dont get moved from original development to development till someone makes a complaint.

They are innocent until someone finds out they copy pasted ;)
[Galaxy S II Android Development] AkkerDK:
So, what You actually are saying is, that ex. NeoPhyTe.x360 (Recognized Developer with his own kernel in SolarFlare), Novek (Recognized Developer) and LitePro are nothing more than Copycats?

That ex. Lite'ning ROM just is a themed copypast of VillainROM?
[Galaxy S II Android Development] B3311:
Gosh, this thread got, er, passionate...

I voted for one thread only, but I'm pretty ambivalent about the whole thing really.

My $0.02 - I have nothing but the deepest respect for all devs/themers and their work. As someone who couldn't do either if my life depended on it, I'm in awe of the time and effort they put in, and all for nothing/a couple of beers. The general level of help and expertise throughout the site is something else too - I've learnt so much in a short space of time it's unreal.

As has been pointed out, this site is xda-developers.com. It's not a democracy, and I see no reason why it should be. We who contribute nothing to actual development have no rights and no entitlement to anything whatsoever, and IMO that's the way it should be.

On another (now discontinued) thread, I called out the dev for removing his ROM with no notice, something I regret and have apologised to said dev for. AFAIC, any dev/themer can and should do whatever they want with their work without having any obligation to users like myself.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
Just wanted to thank the mods for proving me right.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] lomniom:
Seriously, fun has been replaced with glamour and other status. Just by looking at the way they named it as "Original" make me sick. Android itself is a derived Linux blood, Google never claim they build it 100% by themselves. And here we in XDA try to "originate" the dev's work? What? Oh OK. Now i understand. You mods are sorcerers, i'm just a muggle. OK i leave.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] sub69:
I've been registered on XDA for a long time, and over the years I've supported the site and all of my favourite developers as much as I can.

The behaviour of Devs, Users, and Moderators has changed over time and arguments have come and gone in many of the forums - but this is probably the biggest mess I've seen so far.

What appears to be a petty squabble has had a divisive effect in the SGSII forum, and made it (in my opinion) less usable for new users and veterans alike.

That said - if people don't like it there are plenty of things they can do that don't involve hanging around here fanning the flames... I know I spend less time around here than I used to.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
It won't be done until the noise settles and they can claim "see, it worked there". This is a standard tactic that was used by the Gestapo to get power: stab the sheep in the small field until the free thinkers are dead or gone away, wait a few months, and declare success. Move to bigger field, stab the sheep: for all complaints point to previous small field where there are "no complaints for months".

It's all relative really.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] tomj777:
In defence : it may well have been an experiment, with hindsight ill-considered, yet still an experiment.

Did you really have to use the Gestapo reference? More unpleasant as the "Iron Fist" phrase (which does have that dark relationship with authoritarian regimes like Staines, Hitler's and some of my own British history , regardless of the portal post claim - at least in my way of thinking).

I believe we should challenge yet we should also be respectful an avoid assumptions.

Tom, not wishing to fuel an argument.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] dyallo:
I also think this change sucks.

Now we got two forums for THEMES?!
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
I use the reference as there are very few actions that speak louder than suppression of objection, the approach that everyone except the "more equal" are faulty is VERY reminiscent of Gestapo approaches.

Secondly, every protest has been removed and/or locked down; whether peaceful or not. Threats to ban users if the post the discontent within the forum; declaring several ROMs offered by known copiers of others as being "original" while the first few ROMs designed for SGS2 (those that are not designed by mods or their friends) have been moved to the unoriginal area.

It just smells of favoritism and cronyism; which is not what development is about.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] sageman70:
Firmware upgrade

Hi,

I want to upgrade to Android 2.3.4 (currently on 2.3.3).

My phone details are:

PDA: I9100JPKF3

PHONE: I9100XXKF1

CSC: I9100OJPKF2

Is there a 2.3.4 upgrade available that is compatible with my phone?

Regards,

Sageman
[Galaxy S II Android Development] seshmaru:
Development is also not about copy pasting 1 extra PNG into someone elses work and calling it a completely new thing.

But of course someone who ISN'T a developer and has contributed nothing to the development nature of this site (you) wouldn't know a thing, which is to be expected.

Besides that your comparison to Nazi Germany is outright ridiculous as this is a forum on the internet, not a town, city, country or continent. The same rules do not apply here.

At the most basic level I'll spell it out for you:

Are you a developer? No? No one will miss you if you leave the forum right this moment.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] lomniom:
Arrogance

Let's avoid any arrogance here. There is no use. If we want to make sure the "coding" is right enough, all the [ROM] should be plmoveaced in one place, whoever's ROM it might be. And all [DEV] like finding solutions to lagging browser, into the "original" one. Yes after that there is ceftain cookers who might say, "My dev is only in my ROM, it's integrated!". So why complain that his ROM is moved to Android Development, not in the Original? He decided where to put it. I dont see why they are allowed to be in the original section. Ok muggle's leaving again. I m not even half-blood-developper. So yes u are allowed to curse me now.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] phunkycow:
I'm fed up with this line being used by some people. It's utter bull****. Maybe you wont miss him/me/whoever, but other people might. I don't see only developers helping out in android related issues. The thanks button and the relevant counter are there for a reason, so you should double check that before you come to the conclusion that us 'mere' users are not needed.

Also, do you honestly believe that if any of the developers leave this forum anyone will give a damn for more than a day (i'm being optimistic here) ? Let's be realistic. People will just end up using a different* ROM. Simple as that.

Only true loss would be losing developers like Chainfire, Atinm, CodeworkX, Coolya etc (TeamHacksung - CM7) and Bmarko (MIUI) who actually do original work. You can claim anything you want, but the truth is: anyone can build a custom stock-based rom with some knowledge and research. It's mostly the small tweaks from several other people not involved in rom development that make the roms what they really are.

* "Different" in quotes because let's face it, almost every single stock-based rom here is about the same apart from minor tweaks.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] CaspaTheGhost:
Ah yes, the dark authoritarian regime that looms over Staines... Spelthorne Borough Council!!! :D;)
[Galaxy S II Android Development] tomj777:
SwiftKey X I blame you. Stalin :)

(although with those folks at Knowle Green... Perhaps they have dreams)...

:$
[Galaxy S II Android Development] JDouce:
Ok I admit there are a lot of roms out there are stock with a few apps added/removed and a new skin, but, everyone starts somewhere, people like this

this

A*% Hole

are what undermine new devs' and stop people from continuing/starting development I started some work on ubuntu, and had never worked with kernels before, always just software, so I asked for help compiling a Ninphetamine kernel with a couple of extra modules and got abuse of Hacre,

All I asked was what toolchain he was using,

However, there some helpful guys out there, I joined #project-voodoo IRC and had a char with supercurio and some others and got the kernel compiled in no time and have since had additional help and become much more familiar with kernels which led to me sucessfully adding USB Serial support to my ninph kernel and releasing this;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1223128&page=4

Is this "Original" no is it hell, but did it run on the SGSII when I got it, no it didn't.

Subsequently Supercurio got $10 for his help and Hacre lost a user of his kernel since I compiled my own from source.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] lomniom:
Separation

Seriously, instead of Original and Not-So-Original Development, better separate it by ROM and by DEV.

We will have Galaxy II Android Development and Galaxy II Android ROM.

In Dev sector, there will be Kernel, Hack, Dev etc (if you don't build it, it doesn't belong here like it is said by Allgamers)

And in ROM sector, put all the ROM's, as long they are ROM's.

Mind you, some people pretending to be a developper doesn't even know what ROM means....
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mynameisjon:
We all know that the "developer" you mentioned is a tool. He can flame anyone he wants with no consequence. His kernel thread is full of ridiculously useless banter that has nothing to do with development AT ALL, yet no moderator bothers to clean it up. And when one actually tried to delete his flame-ridden good for nothing Post #5, all he had to do was get one of his other moderator buddies to un-delete it.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mbbauk:
Hi,

I have a question well first ?? in XDA development forum i just upgraded from htc hero g2 to a samsung gs2 rooting is not new to me but cant real understand the diffrence between the cf-root kernel KG1,2 and KF3 is short can i flash e.g KG2 on a KF3 kernel or am just too excited and not making any sence here. Thanks
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hacre:
Chances are any of them will work with any of the SGS2 ROMs however it's recommended that you match them up. If you can't just go as close as you can to the version.

Pretty sure there's a rooting guide around here somewhere...
[Galaxy S II Android Development] DCRocks:
Wow hacre, are you Steve Jobs in disguise?

I am glad I ran across your post, so I know better than to ever touch your stuff, it would make me feel as soiled as giving money to apple

Very sad to see such a skilled android developers with such a jobs mindset

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[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hacre:
Yes. Yes I am. Jobs is well known for giving software and time away for free. You should see my patent portfolio.

Seriously...what? Did you just want to insult me and "hurrr call an Android developer Steve Jobs hurrr" was the best you could come up with? I do love the irony of the fact that your post is right after me helping someone though, thanks for that.

But oh no, please use my projects, pretty please, even though you don't own any devices I actually work on, rendering your entire point as worthless as you are. I just won't feel fulfilled if some random nomark doesn't use it. No really, my life will lose all meaning.

But hey, if we're "seeing through disguises" are you an illiterate chimp disguised vaguely as a human being?

Prat.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mynameisjon:
The majority of the thanks you get for Post #5 come from people trying to stroke your ego.

It doesn't matter whether people deserve it. If you put up rules to be followed, they better be enforced equally, otherwise just come right out and say "this rule does not apply to Hacre because we're afraid he might just leave".

You let useless jerk-off jokes and what i assume to be imitation of chavs continue for pages. How does that constitute intelligent people coming here for development purposes?

You constantly demean developers who don't work on VillainRom, call their work ****, and you tell us that this site is for development?

I respect your developing abilities, but if you claim to want to better this community for developers, maybe the mods should come out and say "Developers = VillainRom team members".
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hacre:
Aahh nice large slice of hyperbole in the morning. Lovely. Anyone got a cup of exaggeration to wash this down with?
[Galaxy S II Android Development] tomj777:
I think @Hacre, that the what the chap is saying is that you have a legion of pretend teenie fans who think your online persona is funny and or acceptable which, surprisingly (and thankfully) hasn't seen you banned, contrary to forum rules. There follows conjecture about why you haven't been banned.

Personally I would like to see a little more civility from you but I grok that this is a fun way for you to get your kicks.

Or, if you speak to me again in the way you did last time, you accept my invite (you see, everything has consequences).
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hacre:
Invite? 10char
[Galaxy S II Android Development] tomj777:
Yes. Go back through your history. You see I couldn't decide whether to take your rhetoric personally or not. You see, if you were just being a jerk (likely) then I let it slide. Else I invited you to meet (intent: discuss, make peace, etc). You see, some folks feel it is ok to flame because everyone is physical removed from everyone else and thus it's ok to insult. A bit cowardly in my book. If it's personal though, then such physical distance isn't so relevant when establishing whether or not what is said should slide or be confronted (that does not mean a nose to nose, foreheads touching shouting match with friends standing by, in case you wonder if I am threatening).

Simple really. You are a good developer and may well be a decent chap in real life but you don't seem to understand that real life is always very close when you are vomiting excrement, and that's a pity because you do have things worth while listening to.

K?
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hacre:
Ohhh you mean the yet another whinefest thread about separating development and modification, that I was asked to respond to because the people complaining couldn't stop being self entitled idiots. The line "Your tone really belongs to a face to face conversation (I'm about 3 hours away if you really want to flame, but nowt good will come from it for either of us). It does not belong on a forum.".

Didn't remember you at all. Your comments in here and in that thread didn't come across as pointless "say that to my face" physically confrontational invitations at all. Because someone on the internet said something mean. No sir.

If you're curious though, I do tend to call people who are being idiots an idiot even in real life. It's called being honest. The opportunity doesn't present itself anywhere near as often though because I sensibly surround myself with people capable of intelligent conversion whose knuckles aren't calloused from dragging along the ground. You don't quite get the same luxury if you choose to hang out on XDA.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] seshmaru:
I believe threats of physical violence are not only against XDA rules but against the law in general, do you really think making threats like these are clever and smart? If so you must have barely evolved beyond the basic primate.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] tomj777:
No. Not a threat. I said that clearly. I simply wish to see a level of decency and to see a reduction in the sheer nastiness that seems prevalent here. My point is that folks would not behave like this face to face and thus should not here.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] mynameisjon:
lol... i cba to quote all the "intelligent" nuggets of wisdom.

Have it your way. What do I know, I'm a mere parasitic leech anyway.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] seshmaru:
Well atleast someone learned something.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hacre:
Yeah, "not a threat" isn't exactly the best get out statement if it's preceded by "come and say that to my face if ya think yer 'ard enough".

While it is known that I am strongly dedicated to the "anti-moron cause", that compulsion isn't so overwhelming that after escaping, travelling back into Berkshire for anything other than life or death situations just isn't going to happen. My location details are up to date though!
[Galaxy S II Android Development] tomj777:
It's one thing not to suffer fools, it's another thing to speak in an extremely offensive manner.

My point was not to threaten, simply to type as if you were face to face. Mayve if we did meet we would get along, Hacre. But that's not something I relish, for you are already tainted by your words and outlook. However, if we did meet, i expect us to talk, not...

I doubt that others whom you've degraded would take that stance and if there was something akin to a warning, that is it.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
Oh so people are morons for not knowing something you do? Great. I guess you can explain to the thread in detail how to set the timing on a 1929 Model A Ford, giving a detailed account on why the timing is different under what circumstances? Or if that's too hard, perhaps you can give a detailed explanation of why 2+2=4 (hint: it involves both philosophy and physics)?

Can't answer either of those off the top of your head? Wow, what an utter moron you are for not knowing. We should all relieve you of your keys RIGHT NOW to prevent you from hurting someone else with a car you clearly know nothing about, and perhaps ban you from ever using a calculator again.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] tjjensen23:
In his defence we are on a phone forum. Specifically about development and not a car or maths forum.

also 2+2=4 cos my calculator says so ;)
[Galaxy S II Android Development] Hacre:
I'm loving watching the username/post combo irony almost literally bounce out of the screen.

To indulge your ad hominem, no, not knowing something I know does not make you a moron. Being a moron makes you a moron. Incapable of helping oneself, bereft of common sense, you know, the criteria that makes anyone a moron really.

Anyone that thinks being a moron means you just don't know something are, well, idiots.
[Galaxy S II Android Development] UnRelevant:
Point I make is that you're happy to treat others as morons for not knowing something you do. Does this make you, to use your own words, an idiot?