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[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
What planet are you from? The issue is you mods keep closing helpful and meaningful threads with no explanation, then leaving the useless and detrimental ones open for the trolls to devour. Obviously there is some sort of disconnect, so please sort out your internal troubles before coming in here flaunting your moderator status. Chris41g and I have been here for quite some time so we're no stranger to the overpowering by mods, but at some point it has to stop and I think now is a great time. We go months and months without seeing a single moderator and now all of a sudden you guys come in and starting closing/deleting threads left and right with no explanation. Please refer me to whoever you have as a supervisor, I would like to speak to them directly if not tonight then tomorrow.
[Epic 4G General] machx0r:
False:

He even thanked you for your intentions...
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Can you please point me to these "helpful and meaningful threads" that have been closed? (aside from the two recent ones closed by Mr. Clown)? Then we can establish the problems.

Feel free to PM MikeChannon, the forum admin.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
if you cant read....

he closed it because he said it belonged elsewhere..

then went on to say, ALSO it contained copywrighted material. now, since that issue is cleared up. can you get off my nuts about the book?
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
For one it is ridiculous how hard it is to report posts. The trolling has subsided considerably in the last day or two but damn was it bad for the last month or so. I noticed that it really peaks anytime updates start getting rumored to be released.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
ill be more than happy to find some other references, but why do you dismiss those 2 threads right off the bat?
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
When I have an issue, I am MORE than willing to work with a mod, but not ONE moderator has ever replied to a PM I have sent.... Why does an entire thread have to be made to get the moderators attention?
[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
Will do. Please lock this thread, mach0xr is a troll and thus will keep bumping until the cows come home.
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Again, this is a separate issue. If a moderator is not replying to your PMs, I suggest contacting a senior moderator about it. I'm more than happy to help anyone via PM with an issue they may have.

I wasn't involved in anything tpo do with the closure of those threads, so I can't comment on them yet. I'll look into it though. The last thing we want is annoyed members. I'm sure there is a simple reason, that will clear it up.
[Epic 4G General] machx0r:
Yes, as long as you keep asking questions I have answers to I will respond. This it the idea behind a forum.
[Epic 4G General] machx0r:
I can read quite well. He suggested that there is another forum for this discussion and then indicated you were violating a forum rule.

If I had to make an assumption I'd assume your thread was close because of the rule violation (especially considering it deals w/ copyright) but you are free to assume whatever you want...
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
Are you a senior moderator? You're the one not responding to one of my PM's...

I'm not trying to get into a fight, it just seems like there is terrible communication going on. You tell me to PM a senior moderator, which I already did......
[Epic 4G General] jarcher1971:
Don't worry, i have your reply.

wish you could keep your "evidence" or even your quoting of yourself straight. the only "book" link is the scribd link which contains something from ibm's open source library. hardly a copyright violation.

please come up with clear evidence better than "page3 or whatever" your argument borders upon bare assertion fallacy.
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Ah, I apologise for not replying to that one, just found it. Today has been a busier than normal day for me on the forums, and my inbox is getting absolutely smashed with crap from all directions. I didn't ignore it intentionally.

Again, a thread asking about "origin of usernames" is what I would call "Off-Topic", completely unrelated to the Epic, or any phone for that matter, which is why it was moved to the OT forum.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Again, I nominate SINN for moderator of Epic. I know I would never take this job again lol. When I tried to do my job all I did was get flammed and it ended up pushing me away and I stopped discussing. Stop bashing all the moderators. They are fricken volunteers, they don't even get paid. If you really think you can do a better job, XDA allows you to apply during certain times of the year. Go right ahead and make their day.
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
When people were allowed to flame Rob (ptfdmedic) about his autism awareness cause to the point he decided to stop developing, that was a new low as far as I am concerned. He is a father of Autistic children. He has more on his plate than almost any of us can handle yet he developed incredible ROMs and was one of the kindest most helpful people I have met on here and people were allowed to bash him constantly. A mod that is in touch with the community would have known that Rob deserved that less than anyone on here and it just went on and on.
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
That's fine. But it is related to the Epic... the owners of the Epic. That is why we are a community..... we all know each other and enjoy each others stories.

Also... You didn't move my thread you deleted it... I can't find it anywhere........
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Realise we have 4 million members, 800,000 threads, and anywhere between 10-20,000 members online at any one time.

We cannot be everywhere at once. We rely on our members to help us out, by flagging is to any such flaming, where it WILL be dealt with accordingly.

Again, I don't know much about that particular situation, but if a dev leaves because of being constantly flamed, I would like to think he at least contacted the mod team with his concerns.

Devs are the backbone of xda...we don't like to see ANY of them leave.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Wait a minute! The origin of the usernames thread was deleted?!?!?! F*CKING WWIII IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN NOW!!!

Nah, but in all seriousness, I did love reading that thread and now that I know it is gone, I miss it. :)
[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
Well you have several major devs in this thread that are getting pretty ticked, I just sent a lengthy pm to MikeChannon so hopefully this will be solved shortly.
[Epic 4G General] Ron_91:
I have been working on a 2.2 rom ever since I started rooting my phone. After seeing the way the mods dealt with that autisim guy situation (sorry bro, don't know your name) and seeing people get away with harassing a good dev I decided to stop. The mods here suck. They really need to get their act together.

I went out and switched to an evo 3d just because the mods here chased off all the good devs. Nice job, guys.

- Ron
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
I hope so too...

Though I'm still trying to find out which threads have been closed, that have caused all of this to happen. (again, aside form the two threads closed today).
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
Exactly! Everyone loved it......

Scotsman please reply to my post above......
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Oh, I can understand that there is probably an overwhelming amount of traffic to moderated. I was just giving an example of a great developer getting harassed. I think every developer in the Epic community came to his defense and when they did then they got flamed. Its impossible to be everywhere all of the time its just sad to see such a good guy pushed to that point.
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
I moved it to Off Topic. I have had a look at the log and it seems it was then deleted by someone in there. I will look into why.

I think it's very sad that it came to the point where he felt he had to pull out. Was the issue reported at the time? Or is it all just coming out now, after the fact? I'm quite sure if it had been reported at the time, it could have been cleared up long ago.
[Epic 4G General] machx0r:
You should re-read his post. He decided to stop developing because a mod moved his thread to "Off-topic", not because he was getting flamed.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1175278
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
Bottom line is we've dealt with harrassing and trolling and useless threads.. threads about other phones and waaaay off topic threads for months and never saw a mod... now we are getting harrassed by mods over the smallest nitpicking things and have lost multiple devs in less then a week over it, and have more than i can count on 2 hands talking about starting to just post their work on sdx.. because the mods decided to just super moderate, after the neglected our section for multiple months... they now want to troll decent people in harmless threads for a power trip...
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Oh, I can understand that you moderators can't be everywhere all of the time but to see a guy as good as Rob get pushed to that point, its just sad. Every developer in this community came to his defense and supported him then they got flamed by some guys with 3 posts. I think that was the straw thaat broke the camel's back. That's one of the reasons why the developers probably felt why it was time to try to get this community back on the right track by speaking up.
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
I believe that thread may have been moved in error. It has since been moved back to the Epic forum where it was.
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
There's nothing I can do to get it moved back into the Epic forum? Everyone here liked it and enjoyed sharing stories with each other. I have seen MUCH more off topic threads then this stay in the General forum........... Why did you randomly specifically pick this thread when it was clearly for Epic owners? Just trying to get some answers.
[Epic 4G General] machx0r:
I think it was moved correctly and then incorrectly restored back to this forum by nut-swinging but who am I? ;-)

PS: Willie, you don't need to respond to me. I think you guys are doing a great job!
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
We need to have an Off Topic section stickied at the top of General. There already is an OT thread but people would rather make a new one than search a few pages back to post in it.
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
I created one earlier today, which I have closed for now given the current situation.
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
His thread got moved because people complained about seeing Autism Awareness info next to the "Android Development" link on his page. They complained and a mod moved his thread. Then when he tried to get an explanation, people started saying they were sick of people's personal plights and that it wasn't Epic Development walk and they were "forced" to read it. Rob isn't the kind of guy to complain. He has more important issues in his life.EDIT..I said what I wanted to say. I am not going to turn it into a debate but if every developer supported him, that should speak volumes.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
a troll is what everyone else thinks you are.. a non contributing, air sucking waste of bandwidth troll...
[Epic 4G General] machx0r:
You're welcome to you opinion sir.
[Epic 4G General] machx0r:
Well you and I can both read the post still so you're free to your opinion. Personally I took it as "my thread was moved so I'm gone" but to each his own...
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
It seemed like the only people complaining had been members for < 2 months for the most part iirc.
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
How about going and helping someone who has a question that needs to be answered. Provide something positive to the community. Offer some help to a someone new to XDA so they actually want to return to the site. You obviously like to debate but people that can debate a topic can argue their point endlessly. There is not an endpoint.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Let me flip this around, moderators, you do know you have no reason at all to feel overwhelmed or stress. You are volunteers! You can easily be replaced. It is completely free, hire some more. Jesus, its not that hard. 2 to 3 active moderators per active forum should be required. It isn't that hard. Seriously, I was able to clean this entire forum in an hour with no problem. There is no excuse at all for the moderators to say they are overwhelmed at all, just replace the lazy ones out hire more, its that simple. I monkey could do it.
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
Agreed, well said.

Scotsman, why aren't you answering my questions?

I try and PM you about an issue, and you say you are more than welcome to working with us on it... and you choose to respond on here instead of PM to resolve it and now you don't even respond to my questions....
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
never thought id thank a monkey... i mean whosdaman =)
[Epic 4G General] jarcher1971:
+1

i for one would work for cheap and would be willing to give back any help i can to the community that has helped me so often with my epic
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Sorry, but I have already responded to you regarding that PM a few posts back. I said I moved it, I didnt delete it, and that I would look into it.
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
That would probably solve the problem. You can't have the same amount of mods for the Epic as you did the first mont or two that the phone came out. There are so many more people with this phone now. If you are going to have only one moderator with the amount of traffic that comes here, they would have to live in the Epic section.
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
I know you have... and I have had FURTHER QUESTIONS. This is exactly what is lacking... COMMUNICATION... Why is it that if you respond to ONE of my questions, its over with? I can't have further questions?
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Hey now! To be honest I have no idea what I did to deserve to be called a monkey lol
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
sorry, you get 5 thanks per day and one question per month, but only 1 mod response per year... these are the rules and they are strictly enforced...

also General areas are not to be used for general chat, only for trolling others for trying to have legitimate conversations, and for MOD training. And furthermore, if you are a developer, we care so much about you, that if you don't like the rules, **** you go somewhere else...
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
i was just making a joke refering to your post, and how you used to be a mod.. so easy a monkey could do it...

you were actually a good mod..
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Whosdamonkey???lol
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Ahhh now I get it! Lol

And thank you, I try ;)
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Right, I'm not communicating :rolleyes:

If you give me some time to look into it, like I said.
[Epic 4G General] RushAOZ:
Stfu
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Allow me to moderate here..its getting late/early. Everyone seems to have spoken their minds. Let's hope for some positive progress and say that this thread consisted of a healthy, hopefully productive debate. Here's to a better Epic community going forward. Goodnight gentlemen.
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
My intention in my constant responding to this thread was to try to clear the air and resolve any issues that were present in the Epic forums.

My original question still stands though...it has been stated that lots of threads are being closed for the wrong/no reason. Unless there are specific threads pointed out to us, we can't do much. That was the point in this thread being created wasn't it?
[Epic 4G General] Wishkah420:
SDX currently has little to no development for the Samsung Epic 4G. The forums there are much cleaner and easier to navigate. When I mess around with this piece of **** intercept I go there and have a much better experience with that community then I do here.

Mostly when I have problems with my epic I get on irc and everyone there is VERY helpful, I spent a few days talking with Chris on irc and he's a good dude working on multiple projects and always had time to answer my questions. Thank you sir.

Honestly the devs here are ****ing amazing and they are very helpful and very approachable with questions, its sad to see the ignorant trolls push away such hard work and dedication to our device.

Moderators: Please quit closing/moving/deleting harmless threads that actually have a positive impact on the community. The username thread allowed people to take part in a discussion for probably the first time and we actually had fun posting and reading that thread. If you see something positive please leave it be there's been so much negativity here lately that a few light hearted threads have been nice. If you want to make this a better place and improve the community MODERATE THE NEGATIVITY! Get rid of the trolls, I'm so sick of seeing signatures of other devices in my beloved Epic forums... I'm so sick of the flaming and the bashing and the slander.

Developers: The amount of thanks you deserve is endless, I hope you know for every 1 troll there's at least 10 of us who truly appreciate what you do.

When I come here I want to see development for my device and conversation pertaining to that HOWEVER, if I see something off-topic(in general chat for ****s sakes) I like to smile about it, not get all irritated and annoyed with the useless rambling by kids who have diarrea of the mouth.

Sent from my frozen Syndicated Beast...
[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
The issue isn't the individual threads (although sometimes it is and I'll try and find another example for you), but more the idea behind their closings. It's a clear and definite abuse of power and an utter lack of communication.
[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
Best reply I've seen in this thread so far. Your insight is definitely appreciated and I for one completely agree with everything stated.
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
As I've stated, we are just as sick of the constant trolling, flaming, bashing as you guys are, trust me. But as I've also stated, while the mods do "patrol" their forums, we can't see everything, and rely on members reporting anything they see that is of concern.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
Which is why we need a dedicated mod. You have to realize that A LOT of the people on these forums are on tapatalk. I don't know about the xda app (never used it but I think its based on tapatalk anyway..) but there is no report post button.

Edit: also a lot of the threads have been deleted. Thts wy thomas can't find them for an example.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Each forum has at least one dedicated mod. Epic has 2, impaler and rolfd. It's just bad timing that they are both temporarily unavailable for personal reasons.

Also, I thought Tapatalk did have an option to report a post :confused:
[Epic 4G General] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, I've read just read through this thread to understand the concerns you have. Fist thing to note is that as Scotty said we have to moderators assigned to the Epic forums, but unfortunately they are both off on personal reasons. Temporary/permanent replacements will be setup to cover this forum, but in the mean time other moderators will be actively helping out like Scotty is doing.

From reading through this forum I’ve noticed that Scotty has asked a few times to be directed towards specific threads which have been closed for the wrong/no reason. As he correctly stated, we have limited resources, so we rely on users like yourselves to assist us as we cannot see everything.

Also, you have to realize that moderators have lives outside of XDA, other jobs as well, and may live on different timezones, so please don’t expect a response straight away. We may even need to investigate beforehand to get all the facts right

I always try and respond within 24hours to every PM I receive, so please feel free to PM me anything.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
I can't find it... but if you tell me where it is I'll use it. Guess I'm a noob :). Impaler is great (even though he mods several forums) but I don't think I've ever seen rofld in action. I understand the situation with those two being MIA, But this forum is dying for a more "personal" moderating approach right now. Perhaps someone that owns an epic and is familiar with all the characters around here? I could name a few people who I think would be ideal. Shoot, I would do it myself. Even if temporary. Btw, I appreciate all of your communication on this matter. I know you more higher level guys have your plate full and all.. but thats all the more reason for some help around here. Improve xda to dev communication, keep the forums cleaner, and take some of the load off of you and the mistress. All with one solution.

Edit:totally found it. I accidentally restored a titanium of a much older version or something I guess.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] resetreflectt:
My only problem is they take rules way too seriously on here. It's just a website. Forums are supposed to help people out.

I don't care if I post in the wrong section, as long as I helped a few people out it's all good. It's not the end of the world if someone posts in the wrong section
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
Ideally that would be the case...but multiply that by several hundred each day, and it becomes messy and difficult to manage.

And on top of that, the vast majority of threads posted in the wrong section will attract numerous troll and flame comments from trolls who just can't help themselves, and thus the problem escalates.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
True that. We don't live in pleasantville.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] AproSamurai:
The problem is beyond the threads that were unreasonably moved but from the users who aren't active in our forum reporting every little thing, and the action that is taken, is negative. Being taken out against active Users and Developers, not on purpose, but by accident(We can't blame moderators, I've moderated on a small forum for a friend but once you have so many members the "he said, she said" is all you can begin to follow. ) I've been on long enough to somewhat get to know most of the people on here and they're all truly decent people, we had a sense of peace there was some trolling but not bad because it came from members of the community, we had off topic posts, all forums do that doesn't take away from the message within said posts. What needs to be set down is the level of severity that is taken and given when a person starts reporting everyone and is undoubtedly taken seriously. Even in this thread from a neutral standpoint you have to be able to see who the outright prick(s) and cause of our recent problems is/are, we just need someone to be without bias and to hold all of this together locally. Because the distantness is going to cause this subforum of a greater entity, being XDA to die out.

-Steven Smith
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
Swing the ban stick at all these fools.

Maxch0r or what ever, keep doing what your doing. You hve supporters too.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Yeah this is what I dont get, just because you troll and flame advocating the precious rules, and your personal interpretation of them, you get to stay, having contributed nothing here? This thread alone, you should be able to see who deserves a temp ban, if not permanent. This is an Epic forum, not an XDA rules forum, go to the general section and preach about your precious rules. As has been stated, these rules require judgement, and it would seem that maybe a person or persons obnoxious use of the flag button has caused mayhem in our community. Really, after all the Devs who have gave up because of one form of troll or another, you are seriously looking at a forum full of trolls, and no devs or anyone with any sense of what community is. Not a good way to make friends, mr. rules guy... Scots, thanks for trying in this thread, I hope you guys can take a close look at this forum and see who the real troublemakers are, and deal with them.