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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] xaccers:
Gallery picks up any images in your device unless they're hidden, so no WwF is not installing anything in your gallery, it's downloading them to your phone yes, but Gallery is what is picking them up. Just hide them with the .nomedia file.

What you're saying is devs should put the time and effort into making an app but not be paid for it, either by you, or by other companies.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] OstrichSak:
Clearly you're strong point is not reading comprehension so let me help you. This post was for EVERYONE including those who don't understand how Android/Linux works by scanning all folders for images. Nothing is actually in your Gallery but the average user just sees it as images in their Gallery when they open of. Good job in trying to discredit me though but you're the only one whonread what I typed and immediately assumed I didn't know what I was talking about. As to the point of developers shouldn't make money; where did I say that? In fact I even mentioned that free apps generally have in-app advertising which I'm COMPLETELY fine with. I expect in a free app even. I don't expect all devs to work for free so don't put words in my mouth. How would you feel if you were watching a TV show that had commercials then you went outside to find a giant Tampax advertisement on the front of your house? On top of that when you remove it it pops up again in a few days except this time it's for Viagra or any one of a number of things. Then when you investigate where it came from your investigation reveals that the party responsible intentionally made efforts to deceive and trick you. Would you defend this as the advertiser who brought you the TV show just trying to make an honest dollar? That's what we're talking about here. I even said if a dev can't find a way to make enough money with standard advertisements in their free apps they need to find something else to do with their time or another way to make enough to support their life style. Not making enough money for your needs with your current apps? Make better apps. Think the creators of Angry Birds are hurting for money?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] xaccers:
Bollocks. You're the one who started a thread with the line "installs images in your gallery"

Try harder with analogies too.

As I said, you can just hide the folder's contents. Surely if you knew that why didn't you post how?

Incidently under permissions in the market it does state that the app needs permision to write to your SD card, so hardly obfuscated.

Personally I'd prefer an "advert" to be downloaded in the background to a folder I can hide and forget about, than have it forced in my face, as long as the dev gets paid.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] OstrichSak:
The agreement is to allow the app to add files to your SD card that are necessary for the app to function. These are pure advertisement and that is NOT required for it to work. I wouldn't have to hide a folders contents if the app didn't install it w/o permission to begin with. This is the whole point. You're arguing semantics with the 'gallery' quote because your average user who googles this problem will likely google as gallery... hence the reason for my verbiage. At no point have I posted misinformation int his thread so stop trying to make it look like i don't know what I'm talking about.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Avelnan:
The app has permission, it clearly states that you must allow modify or delete content. You should see how many hidden pictures Fancy Widgets Pro installs on your SD card. Go plug your sd card into one off those things in walmart and you'll see about 4000 pictures you never thought would be there.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] watt9493:
Fancy widget needs to do that for the app to function. WwF does not need to put ads on your sd card.

ADR6300
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] OstrichSak:
Exactly. The images are the widgets which is the point of the app.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] remuseu:
tnx for the tip
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Wolosyks:
If it werent for my stubborn iOS using friends, I wouldnt bother with the game. I prefer Wordsmith
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jpog:
Dumb question but does it do it on the Iphone too? I can't see iOS allowing access like that. Just curious.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] terry3386:
i did not see any new videos downloaded as well .. is it "triggered" as you play the game or so long as u r connected to internet?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Zany-88:
i dont really mind just i just delete them
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blyss:
You could also try wordfued. I started with it, but not as many people play it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] equalizer37:
thanks for the heads up! i haven't had that problem yet, but i'm going to uninstall it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] AlanB412:
I had noticed the extra folder and I hadn't pinpointed which application was doing it exactly, but I had WwF on my list of suspects.

Now I'm not entirely proficient at reading through those xml files(or any tech files that need a text editor to view for that matter), but I'm assuming that AdFree won't stop the downloading of these pictures?

I haven't re-installed WwF it in a long while so I haven't had the chance to see whether or not the millenialmedia folder came back after I started using AdFree.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] AlanB412:
Sorry to double post, but I just thought of something else.

Would it be possible to alter those files to stop those downloads? I had been using a hacked version of WwF before that got rid of the pop-up ads that showed up after you made a move. It didn't just block the apps from downloading, it actually prevented the entire popup screen from showing up with no lag after each move. As far as I know though it still let the millenialmedia folder reappear so perhaps whoever hacked it had overlooked that section.

Any chance that modifying those jar files could stop the extra downloads?

On a side note, if developers want to place ads in their apps to make some money then that's fine by me, but background downloads like this just seems dishonest. If money is really a concern they should just make a paid version with no ads. I know plenty of people who would willingly pay for an ad-free version of WwF, myself included.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] MDavisiw:
I have read a few people having the same issue but no solution. my light on my tilt 2 constantly stays lit orange. It dies overnight too i tried to set the alarm and overslept so that us why im looking for a solution. Thank in advance, again i never found a solution just others with the same issue so i apologize if this has already been solved.

P.s. gps is off and app killer is killing all apps that autostart.

Thanks in advance
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
Don't use any 'app killers'... It's probably constantly just killing apps that are relaunching, then killing that app that relaunched, then the app re-relaunches... You get the idea.

Also, FRX06 is no longer supported. Shouldn't have anything to do with the phone not sleeping, but if you want to pursue this further I'd like you to be on the newest build. Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] MDavisiw:
I was under the assumption that froyo is the most stable build and that the latest doesn't support gps. If i misread will add the latest tonight.

How do i stop it from launching apps i dont want then? i have no need for news to keep popping up like it does, we have the same issue on my gfs android phone all this stuff she doesnt want loading always loads up.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] rpierce99:
When he says FRX06 is old, that's because FRX07 is out, not because of Gingerbread, start over from scratch with FRX07, disable GPS, verify it sleeps properly (green light), then install apps slowly and make sure it sleeps after you install one, once it stop sleeping remove the last app you installed. Voila.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] MDavisiw:
Thank you for clarifying that. I put FRx07 on just now shut off gps/wifi and the orange light by my ear speaker comtinues to stay lit, no apps are opening aside from "stock" apps those that were included with the os
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] coolwater22:
well so you wont over sleep..keep the phone plugged in all night then you will hear your alarm...dont worry nothing will happen to your phone. i have done this many times...as for the orange light,i had this happen to me on frx06 but not on frx07..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] rcgators:
Make sure BlueTooth is off in WinMo before launching XDAndroid. That was keeping my phone from sleeping initially.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] MDavisiw:
Lol I learned my lesson that night, i still use winmo until I get this figured out. I love the ability to put this on my phone just hope I can figure out whats causing it. The battery drains to fast to consider using it full time for now though.

Thanks for the suggestion on the bt, It is off when switching over.

BTW I am on FRX 07 now as requested

Thanks in advance for any assistance
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
The only things to my knowledge that kill sleep (now) are:

BT being on in WinMo (put WinMo in airplane mode, soft reset and let WinMo boot back up in airplane mode, then hit HaRET.exe...)

GPS being enabled (disable thru Settings -> Location & Security) - this is an issue even when the GPS icon is not in the notification bar. Just trying GPS and having it enabled will cause sleep problems.

Stupid apps not working correctly. Not sure what we can really do about those long-term, but sometimes apps do not give up wakelocks correctly and prevent the phone from sleeping. I actually got the WeatherBug Pro app for free from the Amazon store one day, and used it for a little while... then realized it was killing sleep on my device and promptly removed it.

If there's anything else killing sleep, let me know - I'm not aware of anything else that could kill sleep assuming you're on FRX07.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] highlandsun:
Lots of stupid apps. Facebook, anything that does background autosync (like gmail, gcalendar, etc. - I turn off all the autosync options whenever I see them.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] LinoX:
This forum should have the "+1" or "Like" button ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] championc:
I too had major battery drain issues and it really seems to be down to certain components. I have a RHOD100 running FRX07

In particular, I tried rootfs 20110721 last night with a full battery at about 21:00 and i'd swear it would have been dead by 02:00. So I have gone back to rootfs-20110716-245f68a. I am using this with kernel 20110718_223029-package. My battery was 100% at 08:15 this morning so three hours later, it's now at 80% so I'm very happy with this.

C
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] MDavisiw:
Ok now im curious if I may have "misrepresented" the issue. So here goes..

The orange light that while in WINMO that indicates the phone is charging. That light is constantly on while I am using android. After having upgraded to the FRX07 I clicked the lock button and the light went green but again stayed lit. I guess the major issue here (to me) is that these lights are not shutting off at all. in winmo if I unplug the phone the orange light goes off, the green light stays lit only temporarily. Is this an issue that is common?

I still notice a faster drain on the battery then one might expect thought I dont know how to quantify it as I dont know how to tell what % the battery is at only have the graphic up in the menu bar.

Regarding the Kernels and all in the above post you have lost me, I dont know what is meant by running something under a different Kernel, are you saying you reverted back to FRX06 and the battery issue is fixed?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
I don't see any issue here at all, whatsoever. Simply a misunderstanding on your part, probably because you haven't taken the time to read and research how this port works.

Orange = wake

Green = sleep

The LED should always be on while in Android, representing the above conditions. It's really that simple. When the phone is plugged in / charging in Android, it cannot sleep - so the orange LED will be on, representing the device is awake.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] MDavisiw:
I'm not talking about when the phone is plugged in, that is expected as you say, but when I have it unplugged and am using it the light continues to stay on.

just like the other thread of mine you commented in (video playback) for what you feel is not appropriately educating myself before asking the question I did read up on this issue before asking same result no concrete answer. If I overlooked it due to either to broad of a search or to narrow then I apologize. I am not trying to offend anyone here but I feel like your being a bit harsh towards me for not knowing all the answers to the questions i am asking.

I apologize again as I may be misreading you or this is just how you come off but your posts have had somewhat of a negative tone at least to me when I read them ever since I asked a question in the rhobuntu thread.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] vinceweis:
The light is always on in Android. Green light always on means it's sleeping properly. Don't compare it to WM, it is not programmed to operate the same way at the present time.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
The only reason I'm being harsh is you're not getting something very simple.

LED is always on in Android. Always always always.

Orange = wake

Green = sleep

The LED will never be off in Android, and these are the only things that the LED currently represents in Android - sleep state. Nothing more, nothing less. As was stated above, don't compare the LED to WinMo - it's not even close to how that is programmed at this stage of the game.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] championc:
If the light stay's orange, then that's Bad and means that the phone is not sleeping and so is likely to be the cause of the battery drain.

Can I suggest that you download "Battery Indicator" from the Market. It gives you a number in the top bar so easy to read the battery level at any time.

On your microSD Card, you will see three files - rootfs.img and the kernel files zImage and module.... try downloading and replacing these with updated versions. Rename the rootfs and zImage files but do NOT rename the module file. You can see the links in my earlier post.

C
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
Sage advice.

See Incremental Updates if you want more info on updating individual pieces within the project.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] LinoX:
Does your wifi work? I have the same problem and it seems it appeared along with a wifi problem on my frx7.

With a fresh install everything worked fine. after a couple of days (without modifying system) wifi was broken (gives an error if I try to turn it on) and the phone didn't sleep.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] fortunz:
Arrggghh is the eminent support provider here, and while I don't read every post, I'd guess more than half of support requests could be avoided if people would read the FAQ at xdandroid before posting, something that is linked in the OP of most important threads. If people read the major posts (FRX0X OP, intro to android sd, etc), another 30% of requests would be unnecessary. As you can imagine for someone doing this free out of the kindness of their hearts, that can be frustrating. I wouldn't take it personally, but I would read the FAQ et al carefully.

For the record, I don't like the LED setup right now, and actually have taped over the light. I can still see it, but it's less bright which is important because I read at night and it bothers my eyes. But although I've never had a sleep issue (I'm fairly new), it was apparently a big problem once upon a time. The LED helps diagnose when people's rhods aren't deep sleeping after being turned off. XDAndroid is experimental, so that's the type of quirk you have to put up with sometimes. I deal with quirks by donating to encourage the devs to press on and encourage others to do the same.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] LinoX:
Look here.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1189650
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] [ACL]:
damn.. that much hatred towards the orange led huh.

Funny i was just looking into those hooks. I guess the orange is useless and we can keep the green only when sleep. Or plan B would be to have some flag to enable and disable the feature. It is useful if you are deving, but if you are trying to use the device full time i can imagine it being a pain.

THing is we rely on user feedback for all of this. Shutting this would will mean less feedback. Can i get an amen !!!! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
Yea, that's really the crux of the problem. I guess if it was user-configurable that would be great (dude.. have you looked into LED Effects for RHOD?!? I don't think anyone has really... great app for RAPH folk).

I don't think the LED can change globally until all the sleep bugs are squashed. If users want to change it, and we can provide that option thru an LED Effects-like app, I think that would be more than acceptable. This way the default behavior remains unchanged, but users can change it if they wish.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] Shadownn:
better is:

led None - sleep

led green - Active

for the users of course...

Is a opinion xD

I try led effects app in my touch pro 2 .. but it work sometimes
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] rpierce99:
We could continue to diagnose sleep issues if we could pull off

Sleeping - Off

Awake Screen On - Off

Awake Screen Off - Orange or Green

The light being on would indicate a problem, screen on you know it's awake, screen off light off it's either asleep or off
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
Or just completely dead and unresponsive. Not sure if this would help diagnosing SOD's, but those seem to be pretty rare nowadays...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] rpierce99:
A green/orange light doesn't tell you any more about that condition than off would, having the light on in that situation is a net 0 change.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
Well in my eyes an orange LED SOD is different from a green LED SOD. To the end-user it seems the same I 'spose, and either way the phone is dead...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] [ACL]:
hmm i guess we should wait until all pm is fixed. Good call.. after we can allow disable/enable via dbgfs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] championc:
Device:RHOD100

Rootfs:20110727

Build:FRX07

After booting the phone, I get the Green Led on Sleep but if I ever use a GPS app, the Green Led will no longer ever light - always Orange only. I have used the Advanced Task Killer app and shut everything but still no joy.

I ahve no idea as to whether the phone is really asleep then or not and whether it's just a Led issue.

C
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] teemo:
Did you disable GPS ?

Settings - Location - GPS
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] championc:
I was simply using Google Navigator. I then closed the app down and following this, can only get an Orange Led unless I reboot the device.

I always start the device with GPS enabled. The GPS icon on the top taskbar will never be there unless I use some GPS enabled app (like Navigator) and when I exit the app, the GPS icon disappears.

You are correct in that if I disable the GPS again, I did indeed get the Green Led. However, I did try and repeat the test again, have disabled the GPS, Killed everything but no joy getting the Green Led back again.

C
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
^^ this.

It's a well-known issue that even having GPS enabled will kill sleep. So long as you disable it (as stated above) the phone *should* sleep just fine...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] bipinsen:
Just figured this out this morning on my own. Phone had been sleeping fine for 2 days without rebooting. Turned on Navigator for a few minutes, and nothing I did would make it go back to sleep. I'll now have to test it with turning the GPS off. Would a toggle (off and then on) make it also go to sleep? I don't really want to go through the extra step of turning the GPS on when I need to use maps, or navigation.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] championc:
So if I disable the GPS and still have an Orange Led, does this mean that it "could" be in Sleep mode with just a faulty recognition by the Led or it is that the GPS is still enabled ?

C
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] bipinsen:
As far as I know, which is pretty much what's been said all along:

Orange: Not sleeping

Green: Sleeping

No exceptions.

I'd like to be wrong, but doubt it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
You have to go through that extra step, if you want the phone to sleep properly. You can use the power control widget if you want to enable and disable GPS. It's a bug, sorry.

No. The LED is not lying, if it's ORANGE the phone is awake. If it's green, it's sleeping.

If you disabled GPS in the Settings menu, and you've killed any rogue apps (only resort to this step if the phone doesn't sleep within a minute of hitting the power button and waiting.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] yelped:
I keep on seeing that leaving the GPS enabled doesn't allow the phone to sleep. I'm on a Rhod400, and I don't have any problems with sleeping and leaving the GPS enabled, except imediately after using Maps etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] [ACL]:
thanks for proving my point (or arrggss point actually) that we still need the leds to diagnose sleep :-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] arrrghhh:
It does, on FroYo. There's a patch in the new GB tree (hasn't been released in compiled form) that fixes this bug. I'm hoping to con emwe to port it back to FroYo at some point...

I have the same phone (RHOD400) and this bug is definitely present on FRX07. Just tried again to make sure there wasn't some patch that fixed it :p.

As soon as I tried to get the phone to sleep after attempting to use GPS (icon in notification bar) I waited for the icon to disappear, and then put the phone to sleep. Waited 5 mins, no green LED. Disabled GPS in Loc&Sec, and the phone sleeps almost immediately... I didn't kill any apps, just disabled GPS.
[HTC Sensation] civicvx94:
Very curious about this...so we know s-off is coming for sure, whether alpharev or HTC release it first - it's coming, but we don't know when HTC will release the kernel source code. Even though they are required under the GPL guidelines to do so, they still haven't even released the source for the Evo4g (if I remember right). So for roms that require a different kernel, such as MIUI or CM, where does the lack of kernel source code leave us? I would guess that the devs would need to port a kernel from the closest device they have a working kernel for, or compile one from scratch, until they have the actual source to modify? Am I on the right track here? Anyone care to clarify?

Thanks for any info!
[HTC Sensation] civicvx94:
No one can add anything here?
[HTC Sensation] joshndroid:
can you get the kernel off your own phone if it is radio s-off, like you can for hboot img and the like? if so i think that would be the most viable option.. but that is a dumb notion of going seens as if that was how it was done, it would be widespread and known... so doubting its going to be anything easy like that for kernel source
[HTC Sensation] tsekh501:
What were you smoking? The evo4g kernel was released long time ago. A number of versions for different android builds were released in fact.

http://developer.htc.com/
[HTC Sensation] civicvx94:
Ok? I've never had an Evo so I don't follow development on it, regardless, that's far from the point of this thread.