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[HTC Sensation] MxFadzil92:
what makes you guys say that htc is or gonna void our warranty? it is a promise they make it... for a bricked phone usually i would say it is the consumer fault to do things the wrong way and bricked their own phone... using an s-off device is completely up to us to decide on whether to use it or not... however i do think that they HTC will never void our warranty... that is just my personal opinion... :D
[HTC Sensation] zer0hz:
+1

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[HTC Sensation] Jaywan:
Poor kid... You really don't understand how this business works.
[HTC Sensation] fuzzy075:
Its all about $$$

HTC choose 3rd Quarter to release unlock the sensation probably to increase publicity and to sell more phones. Its a corporation after all and CO are all about profits, end users last. Thats why they are taking their time to release the unlock. I think its also a strategy to counter SGS2 release in NA, to convince users to buy the sensation instead of SGS2.

I am glad the bootloader unlock is near. Thanks AlphaRevX.
[HTC Sensation] Bxsteez:
I fully understand both of your points and sorta agree with what you are saying but at the same time I can't really blame the devs for their choice. I've been on XDA for a long time and did some winmo development as well and what happens is when they release something with warnings out the wazzoo noobs will flash and screw up their devices and flood the thread with their complaints. It becomes quite the hazzle trying to aid 50 noobs with their screwed up devices. Like you guys said its a community for helping each other so the devs, at least when i made a rom or whatever, would not just leave someone with a broken device if I could help.

All in all. I still agree with you and understand your points.
[HTC Sensation] WorldIRC:
While I agree openness would be great, there ARE newbs on this site that will cry cry cry cry and cry some more when they brick their devices as a result of screwing up, flooding the threads with useless posts. I'm sure the team is just trying to reduce that as much as they can. Let's not forget, the team doesn't have to post their exploit at all.
[HTC Sensation] FrAsErTaG:
while I appreciate everything AlphaRevX are doing I really do hope HTC are watching this thread and have watched the youtube video and decide to release the official method early to trump AlphaRevX.

Either way ill use whatever working solution arrives first
[HTC Sensation] smw6180:
Well yes and no. Sure the team doesn't have to release the exploit (and I'm 100% certain that is NOT their intention. They didn't do this to keep it to themselves and they have a great track record in the past), but what would that get them exactly? The primary reason for s-off (for me, probably most others) is to enable us to flash custom recoveries. The reason for custom recoveries is for ROM updates and mods/themes/etc.

Why on earth would Alpharev bother to hold onto the exploit? I sincerely doubt that they want to keep it for themselves and have a small community to dev for their phones. Even alpharev/teamwin/unrevoked members use mods developed by other people...no release would mean a MUCH smaller development pool and that would suck for everyone. ;)
[HTC Sensation] tready:
I remember unlocking my HTC desire Hd with alpharev it kinda grab your balls hit the button and keep everything crossed for like a minute LOL but thankfully it worked as I remember there were some bricked phones so it is nerve raking
[HTC Sensation] ancola66:
I just have a question : Was introduced on the video clip has been s off to Sensation. So why not have a beta version for Sensation? ( or video clip is it just Sensation bootloader has been opened and are upgrading to new Hboot last time?). Appears to provide limited in extent as XTC Clip? ( XTC Clip also opened many HTC boot loader, but with no competition Sensation )

Anyway, thank providing information and hope to the future.
[HTC Sensation] :
I hear you - loud and clear.

BUT, since when is s-off for noobs in the first place?

It sounds bad I know, but if you don't know what you are doing, you should NOT HAVE ROOT/s-off anyhow, due to the danger that you can easily mess up your system without proper guidance/experience.

Now, the whole point of the "not-so-easy-root" like it was not so easy to get and once you got it, you can pretty much guarantee that - by getting there - you got the necessary know-how along the way.

the whole "push-a-button-easy-even-housewives-can-do-it" nonsense is exactly the problem. It delays things. You hope for the best and have to trust the developer. I would much rather do it myself - if I break it I am to blame, but I can safeguard myself from that as I know what I do each step of the way and where to be careful.
[HTC Sensation] Bxsteez:
Although I agree with you that this isn't noob work. I would stake my life that noob's will attempt it. Same reason why the sheep buy the iPhone. Everyone wants to be cool :)

That being said I guess if it isn't that simple then noobs would be forced to learn how to do a lot before getting past step 2. So yea I can see your point.
[HTC Sensation] :
good :) however, since we are discussing among ourselves and the AR people are not even participating here, the whole discussion is useless anyhow and I might as well talk to a parking meter :)
[HTC Sensation] iefteam:
AlphaRev are delaying the realese to get more DONATIONs ;)
[HTC Sensation] NoModE:
Or just to get cred?

They have it all sorted out and will soon releas it? What does soon mean in Holland?

If we had not had this info, maybe we would have had a ready solution from agrabren?
[HTC Sensation] Leonardo Teles:
i think agrabren should continues the work on s-off
[HTC Sensation] Zarboz:
Imo I bet their waiting to see if they can apply the hack to mt4g slide

sent from my EVO 3D
[HTC Sensation] Towle:
Did you join xda knowing EXACTLY what you were doing? No, more than likely you got an android phone and heard about xda and thought it would be cool to try it, just like everyone else on this site. And guess what you, and everyone, were noobs at that time. This is the main problem with xda these days, if someone is new and wants to try something, we should help them just as we were helped when we first started, not flame the hell out of them and treat them like **** because they don't know as much as we do.
[HTC Sensation] eXceed:
I didn't get help, I just read the FAQs and posts until I knew what I was doing.. Not to say it's nice to be arrogant to "noobs", I'll always offer a helping hand if I can because there will be people who want to try but aren't as capable. Admittedly in my opinion if you don't understand what's going on you shouldn't try it and wait for official roots(/routes(sp)) before messing about with the phone and potentially bricking it. What someone said above about bricking it and getting a new one under warranty disgusts me!
[HTC Sensation] Bxsteez:
I'm a bit confused by what you are saying. I'm not knocking anyone from being new which can be seen from my posts. But doing noobs should ask questions before attempting a risking thing like performing a complexed process of s-off. When i joined xda before hardspling my winmo phone I asked questions. The more complicated the original process the more research you have to do. That is the nature of the beast.

I always say ask as many questions as you want. Will never flame someone for a simplistic question to me because the knowlegde I have they may not.
[HTC Sensation] :
sorta OT, but...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being new. But there is a difference I have experienced recently in many android forums expecially with the new phones coming out (Galaxy/Sensation etc).

"back in the days" of Nexus one etc people did take the time to read and learn, and then ask questions and get help. They naturally got smarter/better by reading, trying things out and then sharing/teaching the "newer" newcomers.

A typical new member now seems unwilling to invest in such things. Probably because they just recently jumped ship from another non-Android device (I will not say the bad word).

They want to get it now and now, for free and without saying thank you. And "noob-friendly". And they dont start with simple things, they start with the greatest possible thread to their phone, messing with bootloaders!!!!

So that's the subtle difference. We all, when it was all new and cool, were somewhat geeky and had to figure stuff out. Most early-adopters have been with Android for years now. So our learning curve went from easy to difficult.

However, with locked bootloaders, companies are FORCING the newbies now to go at it the other way around, starting with unlocking bootloaders before they even know the very basics.
[HTC Sensation] Atlantian:
I agree. he should continue although I think he is upset with Alpharevx team.
[HTC Sensation] Bexel:
yeah

I'd like it!
[HTC Sensation] phoenx06:
I think it's more so he doesn't want to waste his free time developing something that has already been done. These developers that do the great things they do for us do it in their spare time. Why waste it?
[HTC Sensation] karnovaran:
Precisely. There is nothing wrong with being new but there is something very wrong with being unwilling to read the plethora of information available.

The wheel has been reinvented 500,000 times on this forum simply because people refuse to read. Unfortunately with more and more people using tapatalk to browse and interact here, the situation probably won't be improving anytime soon.
[HTC Sensation] jdelforge5684:
Agreed I started in the Hero (CDMA) world, which was very friendly toward new folks, at least when I was there. I moved to the Evo threads with my new phone, and was amazed with how elitist a lot of the folks there were. That said, I was still able to learn a lot by reading around, but it was very frustrating to find contradictory information in the forums and get flamed when I ask for clarification. I see a lot of optimism and encouragement from people here, but at the same time, people's willingness...actually eagerness to flame has me worried. Even I've gotten caught up in it, and for that I apologize. Bottom line, if you don't feel like helping somebody who's having trouble (even if it's cause they're an idiot, cause I know some people are), just go poke around a different thread. No need to be an asshole just cause you have a puzzle piece the next guy doesn't and internet anonymity will keep you from getting kicked in the teeth. That's my opinion, and now I'll get off the soap box so the next guy can have it.
[HTC Sensation] ImWarped:
HTC is obligated to help, they don't have to do it in a timely fashion, that's all. They warranty the hardware, not the software(OS), and truly, if they didn't know you "might" brick your phone, they wouldn't be preparing to unlock the boot on them themselves anyhow.

I do wholeheartedly agree with the post about AlphaRev being too secretive... XDA was set up to get things moving as a community. For a laugh the other day, I popped into their IRC chat, posed the simple question of what it would take to get the Sensation S-off released, the response was "about 20 coders, and an unlimited supply of cola" certainly good for a laugh, but I guarantee that those 20 coders, are here, and ready to help, if they would help support our COMMUNITY.
[HTC Sensation] dlads:
Whats the hold up man? Sick of my desire HD being faster than my sensation, release it already.

Kinda cruel showing us it working and then not giving it to us.
[HTC Sensation] :
I do like their IRC channel entry though :)

"ETA asking is a bannable offense | Testing is covered - thanks. Asking to test is also bannable"
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
for those who wanna check AlphaRev IRC channel, go to:

irc.freenode.net #alpharev
[HTC Sensation] ancola66:
I honestly do not expect much in AlphaRev X. Can people be so enchanting video clip :( . If conscious and you can look at the facts, X AlphaRev do little more XTC Clip and the latest version of XTC Clip (1.4.4 )still will not open the boot loader of Sensation. You can see below :
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
AlphaRev has unlock the sensation !!!

we have to w8 for the release
[HTC Sensation] smw6180:
Technically they didn't. They've stated several times that video was released before they were ready. Most likely they didn't specifically release the video so they wouldn't have to deal with people whining about how they haven't released it yet.
[HTC Sensation] :
After the responses I got in the IRC, I have nothing more to add to this thread/discussion.
[HTC Sensation] Paten:
So much conflicting information in one place. Awesome! :D
[HTC Sensation] Lakeshow423:
What are the responses? Bad news? Please share =)
[HTC Sensation] eugene373:
How so? that video was Release by alpharev member youtube.. I could be wrong here but he is on top of the totem poll at alpharev.

other than that, we all will just have to wait until they feel it's ready.

You have to watch what you ask or say. I was lucky enough to know attn1 or I would have got kicked myself for not reading the topic.

~Eugene
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
and what responses ???
[HTC Sensation] c19932:
well maybe you can tell us why?
[HTC Sensation] smw6180:
That was the quote I was looking at, but it might be that I took it in the wrong context...this might solely be talking about Unrevoked/Alpharev merging. My bad.
[HTC Sensation] :
I really don't think this is for the general public. And I dont want to start a flame threat or anything.

Their approach to openness, sharing and community largely differs from mine. Let's leave it at that.
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
I cant believe some people are upset the alpharev team hasnt released it yet, like they actually owe us something and HAS to release it. They can take their slow sweet ass time and can delay it as much as they want, they dont even have to release it if they dont want to. Just be happy they did it and are kind enough to share it. They dont give the slightest care if your impatient and it takes the fun away because they are making sure it works perfectly. Sound like whining children.
[HTC Sensation] H0CKEY:
SO TRUE!!!! 2 thumbs up
[HTC Sensation] azsl1326:
So if this isn't for the general public, maybe Teamwin shouldn't have stopped working on Fre3dom?
[HTC Sensation] Glotzeulor:
He meant what hast been said on irc, not alpharevX in general. ;)
[HTC Sensation] agent.m:
Not even Black Mesa Source gets this kinda stick. To think we'd might have to wait for September a few days or weeks more won't kill anyone....
[HTC Sensation] binarybulge:
Second that. They rage-quitted.
[HTC Sensation] mayfield103:
Its not tapatalks fault. Some people are just lazy.

don't forget to bring a towel and

s-off!
[HTC Sensation] smw6180:
They didn't 'rage quit'. They have other projects they're working on and there wasn't any reason to continue working on it when it's already been done.
[HTC Sensation] binarybulge:
I stand behind this still. When you have one of their members being the equivalent of a sore loser and claiming their work was stolen when rev made the announcement, rage quitting comes to mind.

No details have been given on implementation. Having 2 competing exploits never hurts, not to mention if teamwin finished to completion they'd be better prepared with the knowledge to attack future emmc based devices. They gave up because their thunder was stolen, and rev will probably take the next round, and the next...
[HTC Sensation] azsl1326:
Well, it's not done and nothing has been released. One post even questioned as to whether it was for the general public Why quit?
[HTC Sensation] ieftm:
We've been working with agrabren, and although a talented developer, I don't believe he was nearing any solution. He does things differently.

Our differences are settled. We are grown ups, we can handle this stuff by ourselves, don't worry about it.

What is your point, exactly? "Too secretive?" The video posted was not supposed to be public, and leaked. Apart from that, we very well decide for our damn selves what we want to expose or not in terms of information, tyvm.

You're implying, however. Remind us: when was the last time you released an exploit?

--

That said, it would be nice for people to stop dreaming up their own conclusions and theories.

Yes, it's being developed for shooter/pyramid, perhaps more.

Yes, across a number of HBOOTs.

No, we are not trying to trump anyone.

No, it's not done.

Yes, it will be soon and available for general consumption.

No, it will not be the same as HTC's 'supposed' unlock, as bootloader unlocking != S-OFF, nor do we have *any* details whatsoever what HTC's unlock entails.

S-OFF is almost out of the question (because of the way it ties in with simlocking)
[HTC Sensation] esincho:
I haven't seen this much whining in a thread since the last sensation thread I read... please s off, hurry
[HTC Sensation] smw6180:
Thank you for clearing things up. Hopefully it will help shut the whiners up. But I doubt it. In any case I, for one, appreciate your taking the time to give a heads up.
[HTC Sensation] shadowofzeus:
Well if I was you I would kick the butt of the person who leaked the video. All it has done is start a crazy amount of crying and moaning about when it is going to be here. People are just too impatient.
[HTC Sensation] Switcherd:
Thx for clearing everything out.

Now everyone, STFU and stop whining.

Just be patient and be glad AlphaRev is doing such a great job.

And as said before: They don't have to release it... So be thankfull in case they do!
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
I'm a bit confused by the last part of your statement ieftm. The leaked video clearly shows the device going from S-ON to S-OFF, with the AlphaRev text at the top of the screen.

So, what do you mean when you say "S-OFF is almost out of the question"? That makes it sound like S-OFF can't be obtained.

I'm not trying to flame or anything, I'm simply confused by the wording of your post, and comparing it to what was in the video.

Edit: When you mentioned S-OFF being out of the question, are you referring to HTC's solution? If so, I definitely miss-read what you wrote.

Also, thank you for your work on this, and take your time to make it perfect and fully working :)
[HTC Sensation] LpBv:
Thanks a lot for the work done !
[HTC Sensation] jdelforge5684:
I'm thrilled that our devs have made the progress they have, regardless of whether or not they all held hands and did it together. I appreciate their time and effort contributions and hope that the waves of impatience and uninformed speculation don't hamper their desire to help the community. Just chill out and enjoy life, full root won't get here any faster if u get ur panties in a twist.

Sent from my HTC Sexiness.
[HTC Sensation] shadowofzeus:
What I think he means is that HTC will not be doing S-off they will just be unlocking the bootloader. For HTC to give us S-off would be very unlikely because of the fact it allows of to unlock the sim card.
[HTC Sensation] ieftm:
Yes, I meant HTC's 'solution'.

Our solutions is both Radio S-OFF and ENG-like HBOOT.

(and therefore will also enable simunlocking, unbranding, whatever you may desire (no pun intended). )
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
Yeah, after re-reading what he wrote, I figured that was what he meant.

Ace. Thanks for the clarification. I clearly miss-read what you meant the first time :) Will be nice to finally have a debranded Sensation in good time :) I look forward to the eventual release. Keep up the good work :)
[HTC Sensation] eugene373:
I'm a tad confused on the " Leaked " Video?

Uploaded by ieftm on Jul 18, 2011: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO4HkPHPJq4&feature=player_embedded

Regardless I'm not *****ing nor crying as to when it will be released.. Hell I can wait as long as it takes..

like I said, leaked or not leaked just confused due to who uploaded it as I figured it was meant to be posted. but then again I've posted stuff and not mean to as well from time to time.

anyways, Thanks for everything & clarifying stuff for everyone

~Eugene
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
thanks for all the info, shame people are so greedy on the forums and demand the work and time of others without showing any respect.. its just a load of impatience..
[HTC Sensation] dlads:
Its on YouTube lad! What are you on? Technically doesn't come into it OK? And don't imply that I'm whining either, the video pops up on xda from you tube, ppl see it, what do you think people are going to think.

Ffs.
[HTC Sensation] jagaroth:
He means s-off and unlocking the boot loader are two different things.

As an Eng-soff owner I can do things that would be impossible with just an unlocked bootloader.

Think back to (or look up) how it was on the desire. We got root, CWM and custom roms before we got s-off . Once we got s-off we could edit partition tables etc. Difference between partial and complete control.

For what its worth if desire style flashing was all that was ever going to be available I would jump at it however far more is on offer.

Btw. The more I explore the "protection" on the sensation the more I respect it and want the option to turn it off and on. Haven't been brave eneough to see if I can adb/fastboot the protection on and off again.
[HTC Sensation] smw6180:
Did you even read what he said above? That video was leaked. It appeared all over XDA after someone put it publicly on youtube, either by accident, or on purpose, but it wasn't supposed to be up yet.

Oh, and you're whining.;)
[HTC Sensation] Famicomboy:
As a developer (although not too much on Android), I totally understand where they're coming from. They don't have to release ANY exploit they work hard to find, but if they do, they're doing all us lazy bastards a favor. Unless you want to figure out an exploit by yourself, stop *****ing about an ETA.

That said, I'm grateful to everyone involved in this kind of (sometimes thankless) work.
[HTC Sensation] :
Back in 2009/2010 (decades ago it seems), Motorola Milestone. Thanks for asking :cool:
[HTC Sensation] w_bovine:
Dammit man, this is Los Angeles! Life is busy here...we don't have time for patience! ;)
[HTC Sensation] Profondo_Rosso:
I'm cool with whatever comes down the pike. No problem waiting since the phone is ten times better stock than my old rooted and rom'd to death g2x.

Release it when you're ready guys.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4g with extreme prejudice
[HTC Sensation] ieftm:
It was meant to be uploaded. Just not stuck on 'public'. Hence "leak", as in, prematurely outed.

And yes, I uploaded it. No doubt about that. So while unfortunate that it got out before we were ready to do so, meh. it happened. I'm already over it.
[HTC Sensation] eugene373:
awe okay...

That make a bit more sense now..

Thank you for replying back,

~Eugene
[HTC Sensation] shadowofzeus:
Five years of Navy life teaches you patience. You never get anything done same day.
[HTC Sensation] Thareal1:
Really? Complete with background music and you commenting/replying?

...........

Riiighhhtt..:rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] ieftm:
I commented as soon as it was public for everyone. There was no point in holding back at that point.

The background music I already chose for it ages ago.

Guess I have no choice but to repeat: get over it.
[HTC Sensation] smw6180:
deleteme...
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
I hope you did release a exploit, because if so, whoever asked you that question is probably the dumbest person on xda right now.
[HTC Sensation] Thareal1:
I'm in no rush for S-OFF, just seemed fishy. If that's how it leaked, then that's how it leaked...so good luck.
[HTC Sensation] Bashar .:
so after 28pages and no file to download :P too bad heh
[HTC Sensation] joemm:
Ieftm.......don't let the voice of the few people that have posted with some sense of entitlement affect the grateful silent majority patiently waiting for the release....

To all that have posted crap about how you have something coming, Wtf have you done , what have you brought to the pot, eff'n scavengers ......!!!