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[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] captmiddy:
I really wish people would use the term bloatware for what it is meant to imply. The apps are not bloatware, the ROM is bloated, in your opinion. I actually looked at the Lenovo apps and would say they are a good fit for what many people put on their devices and would need for an enterprise tablet. I don't find the ROM bloated based on the spec, but everyone has their own needs for a device so maybe for your needs it is. The apps though are unlikely bloatware, they probably do not have a ton of extraneous unnecessary functions and features that increase their size beyond what is necessary to fulfill the desired functions of most users. They also are unlikely the type to auto load at startup to fill the memory on the running system.

I am aware that people use the term bloatware in a 'slang' form to imply applications shoved onto PCs usually in a 'lite' or 'trial' format to try to entice you to buy. In this instance that isn't what happened, Lenovo is providing the paid version of the app for customers rather than the Ad Supported version most of us likely use. But I will likely never stop the freight train of people using the term wrong. But to me I think Lenovo struck a fair balance and is providing apps that have common use in a business setting.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dfin13:
I consider bloatware to be 3rd-party apps that you can't remove. I don't care if they are paid or not, I should be able to uninstall the apps I don't want or need.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] captmiddy:
The definition of bloatware doesn't support what you consider it to be. Again that is fine, I can't make people use words a certain way when so many use them wrong. It is just one of those things that drives me batty :) I will have to get over it.

And what defines 3rd party? ASUS built some of the tooling put into the ROM but it isn't part of Honeycomb. Is that 3rd party? It is the ASUS ROM so they built it, it is their vision of Android. Same sort of goes for Lenovo, they contracted other companies to build them tooling they wanted in their tablet because of the business focus. And some of this '3rd' party is because Google has been bad at actually providing consumer features as part of the base, they expect the integrators to provide the the bits they left out. But then you get an integrator's vision of it, and someone else builds a version that is different.

So is Honeycomb bloated because it comes with an email app? is it bloated because it comes with a calendar. How about the calling functions? Many of these can be replaced with 3rd party tools that put a different spin and are more desirable for some people. The vendors have to decide, this is the base set of features we believe we need to deliver to make this attractive to our target audience.

Again, I don't think Lenovo was targetting most of the people who bought an ASUS. They were targetting business people, who have a requirement to use business level tooling. They added some entertainment tools probably to support the business traveler who is sitting at the airport and wants to read the paper, play a card game or whatever to pass the time. They didn't put a bunch of trial ware that was useless and would cost additional money onto the device. And the reason you can't remove it is that it would far more complicate upgrading the ROMs than the couple hundred meg of disk would buy most people. And there you can likely blame Google. If they built a better upgrade tooling, then perhap removing pieces wouldn't make upgrading torture, it would upgrade what was still there and leave the rest out.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CrazyPeter:
Wow, that's an ugly bit of kit.

How is it so many big name manufacturers seem totally incapable of making sexy devices?

Android has killer software, and the Transformer is pretty much as close as it gets to sexy (and even then it's not shaggable, but not supermodel).
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dfin13:
Would you accept PC Magazine's definition of bloatware (to be fair, it's definition #2)?

Manufacturers don't add bloatware because they think people really, REALLY need those apps (buy a Sprint smartphone if you want to know the definition of bloatware ... yay, a NASCAR app!), they add them because it generates revenue. I don't mind it being added if it can be removed, everyone needs to make a buck, but if I'm stuck looking it at in my app drawer, or if it loads itself automatically, then me no likey.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] captmiddy:
PC Magazine is the only definition of this sort, so not really. And I did see it, I went with the fact that it is treated as a slang definition as provided by another page since it isn't a core definition for the term, and even there only a couple pages referenced it that way.

Now look at the Lenovo apps:

Citrix : business really need this under the cloud model which is what Android is about

Cisco Anyconnect VPN : Probably the most popular VPN solution out there right now, and has to be installed up front or rooted on, so a definite plus when included since many businesses do not permit rooted devices on their network (if they find out about it)

Print Share : Ability to actually print documents from your device pretty big for businesses

Documents to Go : You might be able to make a case here.

CompuTrace : Definitely plus for security minded businesses that are risk adverse.

SocialTouch : Why there isn't an actual Google sponsored social hub I don't know, but each vendor seems to make one except ASUS, and nothing out there is very good

eBuddy : I will give you this one as extraneous.

ooVoo : I will probably also give you this one.

PokeTalk : Handy for business but probably unnecessary if Google Voice worked on tablets.

Zinio : Big plus for business users, I read several business periodicals on this every month

Kindle : Extraneous, let us pull in our own reader if we want it, but small enough that it hardly matters.

mSpot Movies : Extraneous

Netflix : Unfortunately necessary because of the licensing model, you want netflix this is the way it has to be delivered at the moment. Blame Netflix but applaud Lenovo for doing the right thing for their customers.

All the music apps (3) are extraneous.

The games I could go either way on. I believe the hardwood games are part of a single suite so not a big deal and provide a taste of gaming on Android. Probably not major space, and Angry Birds is all about selling android lately. Anyway there is 6 others.

Most of these are small, but help to deliver a more complete package.

But I agree, Sprint, Verizon and ATT stuff their devices full of absolute crap. Things that almost no one has any interest in. Like ATT putting their GPS on the device even when Google Maps was there. Or their crazy bank application. This makes the phone 'bloated' but again, the apps themselves not bloatware by definition although by somewhat frequent usage. I am really past the bloatware part, I just still feel that Lenovo struck a fair balance of providing apps that met their target audience without providing a ton of extra useless features. I would love to have a Thinkpad Tablet for work and my ASUS tablet for personal tooling around. For now I have my work stuff on my ASUS clogging up the joint ;-). And honestly, the ASUS could do with some custom build applications that distinguish it, at the very least a social app and a news widget. It almost feels as though ASUS was lazy in providing extra features. I know a lot of people love this though, so like I said, each of us has our own requirements.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
No, it's not the only definition of the sort.

http://www.google.com/search?cx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=bloatware+preinstalled

You have it in your head that it only has your chosen definition, but the fact of the matter is that it doesn't have that definition, it has both. Arguably, the average man on the street (if he was even familiar with the term) would be more likely to consider bloatware to be preinstalled, unwanted applications placed there by the vendor largely so they can make money in referral fees, shared suscriptions fees, etc.

What you're calling bloatware (and I agree, some people so refer to as such) is also typically known as feature creep (when referencing the addition of features the target market doesn't generally want) or software bloat (for the previous, and for software that grows to consume excessive resources).

What you're missing is that there isn't a dictionary definition for the word, and even if there was, the English language isn't static -- it is a living, breathing thing, and the meanings of words can change over time. It's merely the dominant usage that defines the meaning of a word.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] veilside959:
Agreed. And if i had the chance to re choose what tablet i buy today, it would be the samsung(Mainly enjoy the keyboard, and damn it looks good)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mappet_hirane:
anyone know where this tablet is going to be available at release date (08/23)???

any chance to get it on bestbuy
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] captmiddy:
Actually you used a combined term to support your definition.

http://www.google.com/search?source...tu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=definition+bloatware

Most but not all definitions found through that link will point to the definition I mention, and few mention the extended definition to include pre-installed bloatware.

Like I said, there is a slang usage for the term bloatware which includes what you are talking about, and getting people to use the original definition is impossible. In fact it is a losing effort. I would agree if used with the term pre-installed then your definition fits because it implies that the image itself has been bloated with software (features) that was unnecessary or unwanted that take up additional disk. At the end of the day we aren't going to agree on the definition of this word even if I showed you an actual dictionary with my definition and not yours it wouldn't matter. The term has taken on a common slang usage, it is just way over used.

At the end of the day though, one person's pre-installed bloat is another person's required feature. Getting a business tablet without a VPN would be useless, not having security features amp'ed up would be a problem. Getting these features in a prebuilt image that IT can test and ensure is always there because it is part of the system is very beneficial. It is all about picking an audience and targeting that audience with the features you provide.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] captmiddy:
Lenovo doesn't tend to put Thinkpads in BestBuy or other consumer stores initially, they are usually available online at Lenovo.com and other online retailers. It is possible they will sell this in BestBuy but given they are targeting for business maybe not. I had heard that OfficeMax had a skew for it so maybe they will actually be carrying it.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
you have your preconceived notion, and nothing will change it.

I can tell you for a fact that any corporate IT department worth its salt would NOT want preinstalled apps which cannot be removed, for the simple fact that each one cannot be updated with security patches, and hence presents a security risk.

Your assertion that they would want preinstalled apps to save a few bucks over purchasing them for employees couldn't be much further from the truth -- all they're really likely to do is ensure corporate IT departments won't even consider the device in the first place.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SwiftLegend:
Looks more like a business device or something you could use to take notes and school. For me, instead of paying $499 for it, I'd just get the HTC Flyer for the same price.

EDIT: Video says it's the first Honeycomb 3.1 tablet with hardware keys...that's because its useless and redundant to have both software and hardware keys ..
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] captmiddy:
I found this highly amusing, not what I said, I said IT would want them preinstalled into the ROM so they couldn't be stripped. This gives IT 1 base image to test, if something goes wrong, wipe the device back to base and you have this 1 tested base. Using Lenovo to manage security of the base is cheaper than building your own base and tracking the Android market. The reality is security fixes are likely to reach Lenovo for testing pretty fast for the main apps in this list, and slower to general users. And how is trusting Lenovo for security fixes to the base any different than trusting them for base OS security fixes? Unless IT departments plan on managing their own ROM and buying base hardware to throw that on, they will eventually trust someone else to keep it up to date.

IT Departments don't have infinite resources, using a third party to manage baseline security saves them money. And IT departments are already used to it, there is Microsoft as a good example. Adding an additional security scanner like Junos on top will give them a bit of extra piece of mind.

I can promise you that large IT organizations are looking at the Lenovo, just like they look at the iPad2 and the Galaxy. And the extra apps given the problem with installing a vpn on Android right now, are not going to be frowned at. They will be looking at the ability to control it, to do a remote wipe on their information and the like.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
Let's just agree to disagree, shall we? Frankly, I can't be bothered to continue this conversation.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MountainX:
I think this is the ultimate Android tablet! I'm going to sell my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and get this -- IF the Lenovo ThinkPad tablet can be rooted.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MountainX:
To this I would add:

For ThinkPad:

+ better keyboard. The TrackPoint device is the winner for me. ThinkPad laptops have the best keyboards (IMO) and this Keyboard Folio appears to be equal to those keyboards from what I saw in the videos. The keyboard quality is the decision-maker for me. I want the ThinkPad. :D (If it can be rooted)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ainaruth:
well.. when I'm at home, I'd like to use it with my Logitech Unifying set + big screen and good sound system. But on the road, I'd go for long battery life and solid construction. And that's available in Transformer.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] shniggies:
this is just a general question, (i searched but didn't find any results, and i posted in q&a, didn't get a reply) but why does mem info show one number, and running processes show another?

mem info (avail/total)

114mb/373mb

running:

140mb used 170mb free
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Adam7986:
You are looking at two different memory components in your phone.

Storage memory or ROM memory is the avail/total memory you are seeing. This is pretty much the same as the hard drive on your computer.

Running memory is RAM, which is also pretty much the same as ram on your computer. This is the memory available to run/switch apps/perform tasks.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] shniggies:
thanks for your input, but i'm afraid you are wrong.

i'll be more specific where i'm pulling the info

mem info avail/total can be found by going to settings -> about phone-> mem info (avail/total)

running memory is found by going to settings -> applications -> running services -> "ram" at the bottom

my current running shows 175 used 140 free, however mem info shows 74/373

im also using elixir and i have a widget that shows me internal/external and memory details, and this memory number matches up with "mem info"
[HTC Sensation] eadred:
Is there a free and easy way to remove sim lock on sensation?
[HTC Sensation] tigerz0202:
yeah its found here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1136539
[HTC Sensation] eugene373:
Currently no, if you have been in good standing with TMOUS they will issue the unlock most of the time.
[HTC Sensation] dssig226:
Unlocked

Try to call them and see if they can provide you with Unlock code.

I called T-mobile on 2nd day after i got my Sensation to request unlock code. they open a case and gave me a case #, very next day after i called i received email from T-Mobile with code and instructions for unlocking. I pop my friends ATT sim and enter the code. now i have Sim Unlocked Sensation:D.

Rep @ TMO told me that they need to contact HTC and once HTC will give them a code they will email it to me. but they provide me the code in about 24 Hrs. that is super fast :D. Thank you TMO

By the way i am with TMO form last 4 yrs, so they gave me a code to unlocked the Sensation;). oh I also got sensation for free for renewing the contract. thanks TMO
[HTC Sensation] smoochiezz24:
So you signed a new contract to get the phone and then immediately broke it and switched to at&t, with edge internet? That would be really nice of T mobile if they really did that but I don't imagine them giving the code, if there is one, that easily.especially being that most people who have the sensation just signed a two year contract.
[HTC Sensation] isaster1:
Who said he switched to AT&t? He probably just wanted an unlocked Sensation :D
[HTC Sensation] dssig226:
NO man, I just RENEW my Contract for 2 more year, that's how i was able to get Phone for free. I really wanted Unlocked phone (for travelling to my home country), so I requested UNLOCK code

Email i got form TMO. Also check out the PIC I took

T-Mobile Sim Unlock Request

Sim Unlock Reference: 4XXXXXX

IMEI: 3550XXXXXXXXXXX

Unlock Code: 051XXXXX

Thank you for taking the time to contact T-Mobile. Below you will see the Instructions for unlocking your HTC device.

1. Insert the foreign SIM card

2. Power on the device and the display should read "Please input unlock code"

3. Enter the unlock code and the device should display "Phone is unlocked."

4. Allow the phone to scan the network (or manually click on the antenna icon to do this)

It is very important that the instructions and SIM unlock code are entered correctly as listed. If you receive an error message while performing the instructions do not make any further attempts to unlock the handset. Please be aware that if an excessive amount of incorrect attempts are made, the phone will be permanently locked. You will need to verify the IMEI by pressing *#06# and contact Customer Care for support.

Thank You,

Sim Unlock Department

T-Mobile USA, Inc.
[HTC Sensation] maximr:
I'm thinking about picking up a Sensation 4G too - but I will be traveling to Europe frequently. I will have it unlocked and will use EU SIM cards. Now the question is, does the 4G support EU 3G bands?

When you pop in an AT&T SIM card - can you get 3G on the AT&T network? Or just EDGE?

Thanks!
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
1. Yes, the Sensation supports UMTS 2100, which is used in most countries for 3G. You won't be able to get 3G in countries that use 850, but there are only a few of those. You can check specific countries here:

http://www.gsmarena.com/network-bands.php3?sCountry=GERMANY

or here:

http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html

2. As mentioned above unlocking a US Sensation 4G does not enable 850 3G, which is required for full coverage on ATT's network. So, you can only get EDGE. Pretty sure the European and Canadian versions of the Sensation do support 850 3G.
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
Updated Thread Found Here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1186289
[Xoom General] vlx600d:
Will it still fit in the moto case with one of these on?
[Xoom General] Indirect:
I agree with this question. If so, I would love to get it. :)
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
The gel skins probably will not fit just because of the gel itself. It adds a small amount of bulk to achieve the 3D effect that makes it pop, it actually almost does not fit into the speaker dock with the gel skin. I will try and get better pics up soon to show you what I mean.

You will be fine with the basic skin or the scratch resistant skin, as they do not add any bulk at all. The gel skins are the only one's that differ from the others. Plus they are 50% off, unlike the others. I think the gel skins are the best, even if they do add a tiny bit of bulk. They look and feel so much nicer than the other two choices once you get it on there.
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
Everything is updated now. More to come soon enough. I hope this thread goes somewhere in the long run just like the "post your Honeycomb screenshots" one did. How nice would that be. :)

If this thread goes well I'll add in a user top rated section to the OP for the one's that stand out the most.
[Xoom General] Kippui:
I totally want a anime style case and make sure it stands out when I'm out in public.

Edit: zomg I need to just read sometimes lol
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
Indeed. You can use the designs that they provide you with or you can upload your own photos and resize them to fit the Xoom like what I did with mine. You can even add in your own text as well, maybe your name or something. You'll have to play around with the skin maker for a bit on their website. It always takes me a long time to skin something because I always try 50 different things before I can make a final decision. You need to make sure that it looks perfect. Once the skin is printed out it... it's a done deal. Lol.

I would love to see an anime style one. That would be pretty sweet! Keep us posted.
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
Since this thread has to do with skinning... can a mod please move it to Xoom accessories? I made a mistake by putting it in general, as it is way too busy there. I think this thread is a good idea and needs some more attention. It should help a lot of people I hope. Thanks! :)
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chad11:
hi

awhile back I tried to get cm7 on my new nook. it took me awhile but I got it running. then I was messing with ROM manager on it and then I couldn't get my regular nook software up. the I used the dummies giude to fixing my nook won't boot and I got version 1.0.1 running. then I realized that my nook didn't have any memory. when I go to device info it shows an empty memory bar and it say 0 bytes of 0 bytes. now I can't update it to version 1.2. I really need some help!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Master Melab:
How do I unpack Samsung's firmware files?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] astrotom:
You can use wave remaker by holod who is an user from this forum. Search for the topic "Simple tool tool for viewing of bada firmware"
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leijae:
Those of who've use CM7 on our gen8's know that it comes with the colors inverted. even if you apply themes. the colors of these themes are still inverted. I've tried editing every setting, running every render effect and display settings that I know of using. What I'm trying to accomplish is giving my 101 a stock gingerbread look with no color inversion.

update: Chainfire 3d does nothing for me either. i figured after 70 views, someone would know how to fix this....
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lenn:
Please install cyan again;)(also the boot menu)

You can look at my instructions thread;) (general)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] xsam123:
Is possible to have two or more different ROMs on the same device (LG P500) ?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] neilmb:
Absolutely. Using nandroid backups, it is easy to switch between two or more roms. I have backups of four different roms and I regularly use two of them, backing up where I am and then restoring a different rom.

Sent from my LG-P509
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Cellulario:
I'm thinking about buying i9003. I was wondering if someone could tell me the video recording length that I can shot with an sd of 8gb at 720p. Also any other number card size would be good to have an idea. Thank you in advance.