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[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
If you think I was trying to sound smart then you have it all wrong.. I was just trying to correct him since we were comparing speeds in phones, while telling him he is a total douche/jerk/dumbass.

if you have over 1024bits then it would make sense to round up to go to the measurement with smaller numbers, and I put KB/s on my other thread so I don't know how you missed that, unless of course you don't know what that means in which case you should never enter any remotely tech discussion.

People who under-clock are people who are looking to save battery because they don't need or use the extra CPU.

I never debated they were better. I know they're better and they are upgrades and they are newer- but for most INC users they are not worth upgrading to because they're not a significant enough improvement. Now if you take a step back and look at the other thread, I already told you this exact thing, but instead of ending it or starting something new you continue on to say "THEY ARE SO MUCH BETTER BECAUSE.."

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@AgalychnisCallidryas

TB guy came in like 3-4 different threads douchin' it up. After posting a few times reasoning and explaining I got pissed and started bashing because he doesn't stop. He doesn't care, he just know's he's always right and that his phone is better than any other phone out there- and he doesn't listen to anyone else's opinion he just shouts his. Who the **** cares! It's a god-damn phone. I could care less about it but I absolute hate people like this.

**** this forum. **** assholes like this TB douche. Where are the moderators?

He's probably one of the main guys who prompted this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1168345

Only going to come back here to update my phone in a few weeks/months.

IDC if anyone thinks I'm a **** for saying that, tired of stuff like this going on and it's not worth listening to a guy who has serious issues with his penis size where he has to brag about his phone to make himself feel better.

Hell I'm sure there are better moderated forums than this where I can get those and I don't have to listen to pieces of **** like this TB guy.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
Again, I ask, who in their right mind underclocks????? SERIOUSLY. That's like putting a block under the throttle in your car to keep you from ever using the power that's there. That sounds stupid as hell, and so does underclocking. It's called a GOVERNOR. A correctly adjusted governor will do more to save battery than underclocking. So will using a kernel that supports HAVS. What will help as well is proper wake and sleep behavior. When you say really stupid sounding stuff, don't get cranky when people tell ya you're off your rocker.
[Droid Incredible General] Kiboe:
you didn't read the ****ing post, did you? how about you get out more and stop being a consumer whore and do research before you buy like the rest of us.

i bet you probably drive a crappy car and work a ****ty job, then used all of your paycheck that was supposed to go to somthing more important just to buy a ****ing phone.

**** this, i'm done, XDA, you fail, get some damn mods.
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
Yes, by his picture I can tell by first glance he's one ugly ************.

His GF probably cheats on him all the time but he has no other girls to turn to (they all scream and run away) so he sticks with her, his job is cleaning toilets and people constantly tell him how much of a worthless human he is on a daily basis.

Sometimes random children come up to him with a stool, stand on it, just to punch him in the face.

His phone is the only thing he has left in this world

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Yeah because with a gallon of gas for the whole day I really want to floor my car all the time.
[Droid Incredible General] Kiboe:
he's probably on the tierd data plans too :D
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
with the type of logic he has he probably cancelled on his contract and signed up a new one right after Verizon announced they were going to require tiered data on all new contracts.
[Droid Incredible General] splatoid:
Wow Not very productive at all. How old are you guys. I don't need this crap I can get it all day at work. So if you cant act like adults then you shouldn't be posting. The dude was just stating his opinion and he has a right to without being flamed. And then a bunch of you have to join in. Starting with POQbum

and ending with Kiboe you are just rude people and there are to many like you on these forums...:mad:
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
If you look back at other threads, TB douche is a douche. He gets people mad, and people flame when they're mad.

XDA moderators are nowhere at all. No wonder people leave here so often.

This thread is flame'd up so much I'm sure a moderator will finally come by tomorrow but no one should have to listen to TB guy being an asshole. I know I'm being an asshole too but I tried, he just brought the inner asshole of me out after he kept posting saying the same stuff, bashing the same devices, what people do, all without understanding anything he's talking about.

You can't have discussions with those types of people, they block out what they don't like and say what makes them feel good.

It's unbelievably frustrating and I've lost faith in XDA.
[Droid Incredible General] SteveG12543:
Sent from my Droid Incredible running a random CM7 nightly.
[Droid Incredible General] DustinBooyah:
This reminds me of an Acura vs. Honda debate.

Sure, Acuras are better. But most people know that it's still the same thing.

The T-bolt is a single-core Snapdragon processor, and always will be... just like ours! Wow, what great company huh guys?

Could you imagine what would happen if we all carried a portable 4G hotspot with us and connected our wifi to it? Then WE would have 4G too, just like the Thunderbolt! *BOOM* (loud thunder and lightning effect) I GUESS it's not the same thing. Oh, but it pretty much is! Just like the actual phones themselves!

Seriously guys, let it go. I'd rather have a "has-been" Incredible than a "never-was" Thunderbolt. We all would. Obviously the dudes dreams came true with the tbolt, otherwise he wouldn't be trotting the forums showing how proud he is. In any event, he can have his marginally better phone and enjoy his DL speeds... I on the other hand will chuckle a little bit harder when I hear people say "man, Verizon has a crappy selection of phones right now."
[Droid Incredible General] davwman:
Dinc+xda=crack
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
My wife is a 95 pound red head all of 24 years old, my girlfriend is a 6 foot tall blond that's 25 years old... And they are great friends, I live on the space coast of Florida, and I usually drive vehicles that cost more than the house you live in. I pretty much do any damn thing I please. You guys really do talk **** you can't back up, so why would any idiot believe you about a phone?
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
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[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
You're right. I don't. I just point at my screen as I show it to my friends so they can laugh at you.
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
LOL

okay.

you're living out of a mobile home using your TB's 4G speed as a tether.

Even if you lived in a nice house and have a gold digging GF, really, you need to stop being such a douche all the time.
[Droid Incredible General] k_nivesout:
Pics or it didn't happen.
[Droid Incredible General] splatoid:
Hey POQbum now I sorry I said that to you. Anybody that spins a tail like isn't a Douche bag he's a hot air bag.

But I just thought I would tell you I live in the rockies and drive a Maserati

and my wife is a super model who by the way has a best friend who just happens to be my wife's girlfriend who lets me watch them all the time. And I get to have both of them every night after a dinner of prime rib and fine wine.

My house is actually a mansion built high on a hill overlooking the peasants who serve me in my daily needs.I some times wish I was a common person who could relate to real people but I can't cause i'm so special.:eek::confused:
[Droid Incredible General] SteveG12543:
ARE YOU MY TWIN?!

Sent from my Droid Incredible running a random CM7 nightly.
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
haha hey I think you're my neighbor! I have 8 houses and 4 wives but my house that I use in the second half of the summer is right down the mountain for yours!

also no worries. I was getting too pissy anyway, people like that usually don't bother me as much as he did.
[Droid Incredible General] splatoid:
Four wifes huh You must live in Utah rockies...
[Droid Incredible General] DustinBooyah:
Ah, I have a friend that's a valet too. I'm not gonna lie, it sounds like a pretty neat job sometimes ;)
[Droid Incredible General] beard0:
Actually no its not :) but I'm still happy with my non amoled dinc :)

/Dinc
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
White screen to white screen, equal light emission, yes it is, by a vast margin. The newest ones are about on par with lcd.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
I'm very glad I graduated from that device before I became as delusional as you guys. If my life is more than you can believe, your loss, not mine. And how about this? PM me your comment and we can setup a chance for you to say it to my face. I'm completely sure none of you will.
[Droid Incredible General] k_nivesout:
Got ourselves a tough guy here! Sure, let's meet, I'd love to see your mad *****es and sweet rides, so fly me out. Airfare shouldn't be an issue for a high roller such as yourself right?
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
Yeah man give me a plane ticket down to FL too, that's chump money for you
[Droid Incredible General] SteveG12543:
I wanna come too!

Sent from my Droid Incredible running a random CM7 nightly.
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
don't worry loonatik78 can pay for all of our tickets, he makes that much in 20 minutes!
[Droid Incredible General] androidino95:
INCs and TBs suck! MY Wildfire \m/, other Wildfires suck too.

Sent from my HTC Wildfire
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
not bashing the TB, that guy is just a doucher. My bro has a TB and it is pretty sweet.
[Droid Incredible General] beard0:
Yea but who looks at only a white screen ;)

/Dinc
[Droid Incredible General] Kiboe:
come on, man, you pay for the tickets and we will come out there!

and yeah, the tb is a decent phone. just people like this guy get them to make up for his small penis.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
Only complete morons or geeks with large bulging foreheads in white lab coats doing power usage tests. The rest of us get pretty close to it when viewing almost anything to do with text, i.e., just about any message client for Android, email, lotsa web pages... White text on black would make that display sip power like e-paper. Think about it... you'd only be using power to light like 10% of the screen instead of 90%. An LCD has to light 100% even if it's a plain black screen. That AMOLED in the dInc could be made more efficient by how it's used. Just invert the blacks and whites on most of what is displayed. If that could be done, that would be a much more efficient display in practical use. Take advantage of the strength, don't exploit the weakness. That AMOLED CAN be used more efficiently, but since it's used like an LCD, it's not. That sound fair to all of you?
[Droid Incredible General] beard0:
I'm looking at white text on black now..my msg app is white on black too..I'm running omfgb so I have the option to have no wallpaper..which I'm doing..like I have so Mich black going on it isn't funny..contacts and phone app is black background..if mine was an amoled since it would beat your screen energy wise..not trying to start a flame war cause I actually like my slcd screen better then my friends amoled screen lol

/Dinc
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
I think everyone here already wants my blood anyways.

But yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

I compared the AMOLED to an LCD side by side... The black never looks black on the LCD and the white is some weird color on the AMOLED. I worked at night a lot then. I said to myself "Off white is better than bright black... I can't believe I just said "bright black".". Now I have bright black and weird white together on the Tbolt.
[Droid Incredible General] beard0:
Lol for what its worth I don't want your blood..I just want everyone to calm down :) but I have a question for you..how is a stock thunderbolt on its battery? I heard it dies quick

Dinc/
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
I can't really tell you because I had mine rooted before I had it 8 hours. It came with about 1/3 of a charge and that lasted about 5 hours before I charged it and rooted it. I will tell you the difference between 3G and 4G is noticeable. 4G eats battery about twice as fast on standby. I do remember that it charged faster than my dInc. My best friend just got one today. Hasn't rooted it yet. I'll ask him and report back.
[Droid Incredible General] beard0:
Thanks lol I know all lte 4g eats batterey when on I'm just wondering how much quicker it drains :z

Dinc/
[Droid Incredible General] FadedLite:
Battery Life

My friend has the thunderbolt, and he has to carry two batteries around with him all day. He bought a charging adapter that would charge both his phone and the extra battery. His first battery gets him through half the day, at most, then the second to finish it off. I personally almost bought the thunderbolt before verizon released their idea for grandfather Unlimited 3G plans. Very glad I didn't now. Going to wait till something better comes out.
[Droid Incredible General] ProTekkFZS:
With the latest build I pumped out for the Thunderbolt I have to change sides now. Thunderbolt is my baby <3
[Droid Incredible General] beard0:
Even with 4g off??

/Dinc
[Droid Incredible General] BlitzenST:
Incredible but the first gen ones with the AMOLED screen
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
He's gotta be hammering away on that thing nearly constantly. Even on 4G, unless he is running stock. But that's just foolish in my opinion. For the guy asking about stock battery life, sorry, but I still have no conclusive answer. My friend ran it on WiFi all day until he rooted it.

As for battery life, its not great, but I'd never buy 2 batteries for it. I hammered away on mine for about 7 hours non-stop today before it broke 30%. On 4G. Unlike my dInc that I had to buy that massive battery to use, I can dump half a charge on this in a little more than half an hour. I usually charge it at night, charge it at lunch, charge it going home, and drop it back on charge over night again.

I'm not sure what guy is saying about grandfathered unlimited 3G plans. There's no such thing as a 3G plan. I don't pay more for a 4G plan. It's all just a data plan.

And if you think this thing eats batteries like candy, just wait for the next big thing with more crap beneath the glass. The second generation single core 4G devices will be the most efficient on the battery. It's not the hardware that kills the battery in this. It's this massive screen and radio that's talking to thinly spread towers requiring high power output. I can hear it clicking on my car stereo.
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
Dinc s in Canada Ftw.
[Droid Incredible General] beard0:
Interesting..I would need to get a bigger battery though cause I use my phone non stop alot of days except when at work and I wanna last the day on one charge :z but ill keep this in mind when I wanna upgrade lol

/Dinc
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
With 4G it dies hella quick, to make it last the whole day you really would have to not use it much or at all and still then it's pushing it.

I disabled it on my brothers phone and it lasts longer than my stock battery Dinc but not longer than the 1900mAh battery I have in it (both rooted with custom ROM's / kernels)

Could be the fine tuning of each phone that makes it that way though
[Droid Incredible General] Zalatorisaurus:
Would the the dual core 1.5ghz processor help with battery life while using 4G? The Vigor is supposed to have one and I'm going for that when my upgrade is up in 3 weeks.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
2 things work against this phone. The worst is the giant piece of glass you're lighting up. Nothing this big is gonna survive heavy use all day, even with the radio off. LTE does eat more power than cdma, but I learned the other night that it will last much longer on LTE than cdma in a very large crowd. Simply saying 3G lasts longer isn't true. Power use on cdma can vary dramatically. It's virtually static on 4G. mAh per megabyte, 4G is far more efficient. As always use and area has a lot to do with it.
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
Yes well dual cores in general will save a good chunk of battery life and you also get better performance. HTC is fine tuning their devices as they evolve their phones, so it wouldn't surprise me if they packed a larger battery or other features to help save on battery.

@loonatik78

Actually sounds pretty interesting and there probably is truth to that but I just haven't looked too hard into 4G / 3G battery usage. But it could make sense that if you're streaming data over 3G it eats your battery more than streaming 4G and same data. It is pretty drastic and obvious that when both idle 4G drains more, even more so if there is no 4G signal and that's often the case.
[Droid Incredible General] Zalatorisaurus:
I'm pretty set on getting the Vigor for my next phone and I'll probably get the extended battery no matter what. I'm sure I'll be golden.
[Droid Incredible General] Zalatorisaurus:
I thought the same because 3G isn't very efficient at all. I drains battery like no other.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
I would love to know the ins and outs of these radios (the Tbolt used 2), but the LTE radio seems to go non-functional in absence of an LTE signal. We can know this due to the functioning of LTE and GSM protocol. The device must request time and frequency from the base and that can be heard over non-insulated audio equipment. Determination of LTE seems to originate via the cdma signal. At idle in LTE, both CDMA and LTE radios are operational. That accounts for the higher power consumption. CDMA is an odd technology that isn't well understood. To sum it up in brief: imagine a crowd of people attempting to speak to one person on a platform. The person on the platform can listen to several voices at the same time, and understand all the languages the crowd speaks. Each device in a CDMA cell speaks a different language. For the person on the platform to hear everyone, the people in the crowd must speak at different volumes, or power levels. For CDMA work correctly, every device in the cell must broadcast at a level that reaches the tower with the same strength. Logically, closer to the base the device, the less power is needed; further away, the more power. If you end up with too many devices in a cell, you can end up with a power run-away on devices within the cell as they fight for attention.

LTE is different. LTE must broadcast at power great enough to reach the tower from the furthest edge of the cell all the time. LTE devices are assigned frequency, time slot, and transmission advance time from the base. An LTE signal is officially lost when the base fails to assign time slots and address advance data to compensate for the speed of light. That usually happens when delay cannot be adequately adjusted and the device basically looses its transmission slot. That's roughly how the 2 technologies work. Eventually LTE will be the only network that's used and that will make LTE devices far more efficient since they won't need 2 radios. I hope someone finds that explanation interesting or useful.
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
What's HDSPA? My phone tells me that instead of 3g when I use data...but I do do that often with WiFi.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
Do you mean HSDPA, as in High-Speed Downlink Packet Access? That's part of UMTS which many GSM devices use. You wouldn't see that using any form of IEEE 802.11.
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
I meant I don't use data a lot. Is hdspa good?
[Droid Incredible General] POQbum:
not really, basically just 3G for GSM phones most use by AT&T

we're CDMA (verizon, sprint) and Verizon uses EVDO as our 3G technology.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
What's really kinda outta whack is there's an EVDO rev.B that's about as fast as what AT&T is using and about as fast as some lousy LTE, and is completely compatible with all modern CDMA devices by upgrading the radio. EVDO never exceeded what CDMA can do. I mean, CDMA is the air interface for Dish Network and DirectTV to carry all those channels at the same time on just a few transponders.
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
I have virgin mobile Canada.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
That would explain it. HSPA+ is a protocol of Bell's CDMA network. No US CDMA carrier uses it.
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
It good???
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
Yes. It potentially offers better speeds than EVDO rev.A. you're probably getting close to 4G speed.
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
If only I could afford data then. Haha. My free 2 months of data was fast. But having high speed cable internet on a dlink wireless n gigabyte router is faster.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
Unless I go to someone's house who has at least 40Mbps coming in and nothing else using it, LTE is nearly always faster. Public WiFi is a complete waste of time. Still, that HSPA+ is fast and probably more battery friendly.
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
I'd use data more often if I could.
[Droid Incredible General] Zalatorisaurus:
Too bad Verizon's done with unlimited data for newcomers.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
That's part of the reason I got the dInc2 and the Tbolt when I did.
[Droid Incredible General] Zalatorisaurus:
Yeah. Was the DInc2 a worthy upgrade, or is it why you got the TBolt?
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
After having used both, there's no doubt that the dInc2 is a great device and I would have certainly picked that one over the Tbolt if I was somewhere that wasn't getting LTE for a long time yet. I really think and dInc lover would love that phone. Very respectable battery life, not just for a Droid, but any phone.
[Droid Incredible General] Zalatorisaurus:
I thought as much, but I think I'm goin 4G next time around. Some guys over at the TBolt forum informed me 4G was available in my area. HTC Vigor here I come! Lol
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
Wait for some user feedback. Unless they do some hard work on this LTE radio, that battery life will still bite. I kinda doubt they will since gsm radios are a very researched technology. I'm very curious myself.
[Droid Incredible General] Zalatorisaurus:
I'm going take the usual measures (lots and lots of research) before I maybe purchase it, but it does sound pretty great. I hope the phone is less consuming of the battery life because of the dual core, but I'll probly buy an extended battery anyway. I love my long battery life :cool:
[Droid Incredible General] Voilenteraser:
I don't think 4G is important. I might be in a 4g zone, I don't know but I perfect WiFi. Incredible S is an amazing device. It just GB a little late. Hope it gets ics.
[Droid Incredible General] loonatik78:
I would only prefer wifi if I had at least a 20 Mbit connection and I was the only user on it. Anything less would be a major sacrifice to LTE. In fact, in many places, simply being the only user on 20Mbit wifi would be a sacrifice. I average more than 20Mbit most places. More like around 30 and upwards of 45Mbit.
[Droid Incredible General] k_nivesout:
I'm not saying you're not getting those speeds, but do you have any screenshots backing up your claims?