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[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slic|<:
+1

Well said. I agree. Like I said, the Samoled+ screen was beautiful and all but after looking at it a while I just kept thinking it was my fascinate.. just brighter really. And really going through all those menus you REALLY DON'T see that much difference, under a normal circumstance-unless you wanna burn your eye having it fully bright 24/7 up to your nose..

And aside from that Touchwiz is just horrible compared to sense.. and since when it comes down to ROM availability there's a choice of three: AOSP, MUI, or an variation of the OEM. And since I usually go with a sorta variation of the OEM I think i'd much prefer HTC Sense's better overall usability and just plain better visually than going back to Touchwiz.. seeing as how Touchwiz 4.0 is near impossible for coming any sooner than 3+ months.. Plus from what i've seen, the droid charge seems relatively slower without root than the fascinate including the fact it only has 512 mb of ram and onboard it only showed less than 1 gb.. whereas the fascinate had close to 2gb onboard + the 16gb. And onboard is better for RAM usage than sd... seeing as how samsung doesn't do their SD cards right in the first place!

Oh yeah, I went ahead and got myself and my sister the Droid Incredible 2, just a few hours ago! :) Should be here by wendesday, a whole new kit apparently. And the tech support I was talking to previously apparently had switched his fascinate for a Droid Incredible 2 too lol!

Just one question is, when rooted is it possible-benchmark or performance wise-for the Incredible 2 to be faster on Ext4 than the Droid Charge with the voodoo lagfix (Ext4 system)? If not than there's always Sense 3.0... :)

And for those of you who are thinking about switching to Dinc2 "APPARENTLY" form what the tech told me, they don't come preinstalled with GB but instead with Froyo and you manually update the OTA. *Here's hoping that's true... :|
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] putney1477:
I did just to be safe, turns out I had to go to the store anyways....
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] happynoodleboyx:
This is what they had be do over the phone while I was rooted.

1. Settings > Wireless & Networks > Mobile networks > system select > automatic.

check

2. Wifi off

check

3. call #832 so you can hear a beep to make sure the phone is connected to phone correctly

check

Then I went into the store and the CS didn't even notice I was CM7ed. lol They didn't go into any menus, just tried to duplicate the problem
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foister82:
Be careful about sending your phone back rooted. Apparently verizon has claimed that they do not check but i would hate to see a thread down the road that said verizon charged them full price.

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/16/verizon-begins-charging-full-price-of-warranty-phones-if-rooted/

It's easy to odin back to stock before you send the phone in.

See this thread for a good walkthrough.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xceebeex:
Some people really have me starting to second guess whether I should get the Charge of the Incredible 2. I really love the Samsung screen and have been overall pretty happy with the Fascinate since I am rooted and can enjoy pretty much whatever I want.

The 4G is certainly not necessary for me, especially not at the moment since 4G is not in my area (but it is in the Albany area where we go back to quite often since that is where my wife's family lives). I figured it would be nice to have the 4G plus the Samsung screen which is why I was pretty sure I wanted the Charge.

How is the Incredible 2's battery life? The original Incredible was terrible. I think I also read that there wasn't "permanent" root available yet for the Inc 2, is that still the case and what does that even really mean?

I am not sure that Sense vs TW really bothers me because I think I will end up with AOSP at some point with whatever phone I get.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speedingcheetah:
According to that link, Verizon just looks at the phone to see if it powers on and is not physically damaged, then moves on to the next one..don't think I believe that...however, they do send phones to be re-furbish into those "like-new " replacements...so obviously whoever re-furbs them(they insist its the manufacture) check, then wipe and update..I have heard reports a while back ago where people were getting replacement or used phones that were already rooted or had a custom rom already on it...Verizon suddenly changed they way they inspect their returned phones since then, I read somewhere a time ago.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speedingcheetah:
I would always flash back to full stock to determine if the problem was software or hardware related...ie..if problem still exists on stock even after official ota's...then its time to call Verizon...
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaffob:
Yea how are you gonna u AOSP when you don't have one? How long until a fully functional any sort of AOSP gets developed? Will you ever get such developers as JT or adryn? Will you get just abandoned when sgs2 gets released?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xceebeex:
I guess it is one of things that you don't know. We always thought we were screwed with the Fascinate, but look where we are today. I have to believe that the Charge will get at least as far as the Fascinate is today. Plus, isn't there going to be an OMFGB ROM shortly for the Charge, which is AOSP?

The other thing I am looking at is that neither the Inc 2 or the Charge are the phones that I think I REALLY want, so it may make sense to go with the Charge which "should" have a higher resale value when I do upgrade since it costs more upfront and is 4G.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nitsuj17:
supposedly the inc2 gets great battery life..guess ill find out soon :o

aosp is another thing...inc2 is getting development in spite of being the little brother of the tbolt (miui, cm, omgb) and has it now...whereas the charge will take a while to work out on aosp on as r2 and xoomdev just got their devices

inc2 has s off for froyo (and then u can flash gb/aosp etc) if you get a phone with gb its a no go right now, sans xtc clip

but alpharevx just got s off for sensation/evo3d so id imagine with that exploit inc2 gb cant be far off
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xceebeex:
What made you decide to go with the Inc2 over the Charge (assuming you had the same offer)? For the most part the phones are pretty neck and neck, but I LOVE the Samsung screens and the 4G is a "bonus" when I am in areas with 4G coverage. Plus, like I mentioned, the Charge should be worth more when I decide to upgrade down the road and sell whatever phone I have.

Tough decision. I am going to go play with both today at the Verizon store and see which one "feels" better and go from there I guess.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jselden:
Both my wife and I played with the phones and decided to go with the Charge. I just like the feel of the Charge a little bit better, plus the 4g and SAMLED+ screen is really sharp. I also also a fan of touchwiz (one of the few it seems) and I like it more than sense.

When I called they immediately offered me a new phone. When my wife called for hers they gave her a bit of a hard time and said they were not aware of any problems and wanted to troubleshoot. Finally after pointing the tech to a Verizon notice about this issue he got right back on the line and offered her one of the 3. For the charge we had to go down to the store and order it.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xceebeex:
What was the process when you went to the store to order it? Did they ask to troubleshoot your Fascinate, did they want to see the Fascinate at all, or anything else? Right now my account is notated to replace the phone so it should show in my account, but I am wondering if I should Odin back to stock before I head out there tonight just in case they ask to see the phone. Also, how long did they say it will take to get the phone in once they ordered it?

Thanks!
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gogreenbay07:
I Odined back to stock but when i got to verizon nobody asked to look at my phone so it's a waste of time. I ordered mine yesterday and was told it should come in on friday
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheMuffStuff:
How many of you guys bullshitted the missed calls and got a free new phone? Im curious (;
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droidnew:
Just FYI, the rep at the Verizon store did look at my phone. I don't believe it was to look for root.....just to look at some of the settings on my phone while she was trouble shooting. I was glad at that point that I was back to stock. (my 2 cents worth)
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slvrevoix:
Not me....:p

They sent me both the Inc2 and the Charge. So I guess I will decide when they get here...

Most likely the charge for me. I'm a sucker for that screen and I have already played with the inc2 to know what I really want. Inc2 is an awesome phone though :)

+ I use "screen filter" every night and it makes the inc2 screen look like sh!t :(
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheMuffStuff:
I feel like getting a new phone even though I just bought a Droid 3. Maybe ill call up and let them know im getting no calls. Heheheh
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xceebeex:
Not me. I have had a few cases where I get no missed call indication and just a voicemail indication later on and times where I get nothing all-together. It is definitely intermittent though, but since it is a known, documented issue I am definitely going to take advantage of it.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bardasian:
So basically when you are sent a warrenty replacement (in your case 2 lol), you send them back the model they are replacing or they charge you full retail price for the device?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jselden:
I odined back to stock just in case and they didnt ask for it at all. My account was notated. They just went through the process to replace with the Charge.

Also to theMuffStuff, We were both experiencing this problem and doing this just to get a new phone would be fraud. While it is an "exciting" idea it would not be fun if you all of a sudden got a large charge on your account because you were not really having this problem.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bardasian:
I just got off the phone with tech support. Everything went smoothly and they were extremely polite. I kind of laughed when I pretended like I didn't know what devices they were gonna offer. I didn't get offered the Charge though, but I'm pretty set on the Inc 2 for now.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xceebeex:
So did they only offer you the X2 and Inc 2? The woman I spoke with said they could only ordered those two in particular over the phone, and the Charge had to be done in store so maybe that is why they didn't offer the Charge to you over the phone.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bardasian:
Yeah. I didn't really push them for it though. The Charge is great, but I loved my Incredible and the Inc 2 seems pretty popular here. Plus battery life is supposed to be pretty great compared to the Charge.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaffob:
Yes you should wait for one year for the cm7 just like we did with fascinate. That is if you ever get someone awesome like jt. You simply cannot compare the difference in sheer size and speed of development between the two. This is not even a competition if you just look at the development.

Did you say 4G? That's actually a negative for me and no I do not live in a remote area. I live in manhattan and I'd still not use 4g because I simply don't need fast Internet on my phone. Are you gonna download 700mb movies? 30mb office document and try to see it in that tiny 4.3inch?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skafan2:
I just got completely called out on tech support... she made me go in and check my version to make sure it was ED04, then do a system update, and then sync it with their systems. I have cm7, so I'm reflashing stock as we speak and calling them back.

I do actually have to missed calls issue, don't worry, I'm not faking. I just neglected to get off cm7 before calling.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xceebeex:
I am not quite sure why you are being so negative. Do you honestly think it will take a year? I seriously don't think it will take that long with OMFGB already starting.

Anyway, like I have said, neither the Inc 2 or the Charge are my phone of choice so I will most likely just upgrade now and then sell it when the SGS II comes out anyway and I think the Charge will be worth more.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DroidBlaze:
Exactly I am looking ahead as well and getting a charge. Neither phone is my phone of choice either, so I am also looking to get the phone which I think has higher resale value once the sgs2 comes out. Both phones are nice, but I would drop either of them in a heartbeat for an sgs2.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tk1o48:
I understand a majority of you guys got your fascinates through verizon. But i purchased mine through best buy when they had the fascinate for 150$ promotion.

I too get missed calls but i can bet best buy is not as willing to replace products for free. Is there anyway i can get verizon to supply me with a new phone since it is their radio that is the issue here? Thanks for any input !:D:
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GrainOsand:
Resale value was a big deal for me when I decided to take the charge. Im hoping the SGS2 hits VZW as my contract ends. This charge should fetch enuff to pay for my upgrade!

As far as development goes, ehh. Not really that big a deal for me. Im only gonna have this phone for 3-4months tops. Now if only VZW and AT&T would stop fighting with samsung over exclusivity of the SGS2 and release it already!

Also, I think JT1134 opened alot of doors for R2 and xoomdev as far as charge devlpmnt Is concerned. OMFGB prob be released alot quicker to charge than fascinate. Anyway, I hope everyone who took the dinc2 loves it as im sure its just SGS2 filler. Like my charge....
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skafan2:
Well, I surely hope so! Of course, it is just filler until I can upgrade in June 2012.

I just signed my fassy away for an inc2 replacement... after following this process:

Tech Rep>Other Tech Rep>Tech Support>Official Sumasung Tech Rep>Official Samsung Tech Support>Verizon Tech Rep>Verizon Tech Support

I think they're being a little bit more careful now that all these people are calling in. I had to do system checks and updates and everything.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaffob:
Best Buy also was buying through Verizon. You can take this issue to Verizon. I bought mine from Newegg and just got my replacement ordered.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slic|<:
AOSP still has a LONG way to go for the charge. The Dinc2 has a better developement for AOSP along with already roms from Incredible S and HTC Sense 3.0. Heard the battery life is actually extremely well, and well what the problem is the S-off. but you can easily S-off now as long as your Dinc2 is pre gingerbread, and after S-off you can happily root and flash however you want! :)

S-off is Security: the security measures that HTC put on the phone's software to check for signature and keys generated by roms and whether they were actually signed by the OEM or it was third party. Which that technically is S-on, so S-off means that whole thing is dismissed... allowing root.

Also sense has a lot better integration with online AND social media.. including but not excluding facebook. Such good integration at least it was for the inspire 4g-as in ACTUAL media for photos and links and notifications all on the phone!! instead of jumping to the internet from the actual core phone like on the fascinate.. which always bugged me cuz it seemed like it was tricking me lol.. I was doubting but when I saw this, it just makes me want the Dinc2 for the HTC sense even more.. I never thought it was possible to have full integration via phone with social networks if any including facebook.. :|. I'm soo happy lol..
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orateam:
I would love a free pass to upgrade, but no way I'm giving up amoled, EVER! My next phone absolutely will have amoled. I dont care for the charge, it appears to be slower than the fascinate and it also huge. I'm sure Verizon will be offering an out clause later this year anyhow. If not by march I can fully upgrade.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaffob:
People don't get that Dinc2 has actually better dev pool and size than the fascinate's. It started CM7 nightly before us and have all the major roms official supported, like miui-us.

If you are talking about TW or Sense, I really don't know why you are even on XDA as you can't really talk about stock here. We mod for fun and this is our hobby. If you are wondering about the hummingbird vs the cpu in Dinc2, just go look at their various benchmark scores.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slic|<:
I've read the hardware differences.. and hummingbird is much better by a bigger score for gaming/media compared to the snapdragon whereas snapdragon has a slighter edge for productivity, scrolling, loading apps, etc.

And um sense and tw matters... especially if you're doing an oem based rom, because not everybody likes AOSP... And frankly there's really only 3 kinds of roms right now if you were to categorize it; AOSP, OEM based, or MUI... So yeah if you went with an OEM based rom, than sense vs. tw really plays and plus unless and until you get root + whatever security measures are put on the bootloader/software than you're stuck with stock oem..

And i'm on XDA because I like modding too, just because I'm not an all out AOSP fan why hate?? I like some stuff they put in OEM and frankly fascinate was my first phone and I was hugely disappointed user interface wise on the social media aspects of it, and after having gone through sense a bit, they have aggregated the social media aspect in a much more refined method than TW..

By the way we MOD for FUN, so yeah.. sometimes you get people that like custom roms that ARE OEM based.. damn. I didn't think you'd start bashing on people just because they were pointing out an fundamental point on choosing between two different phones. Frankly from what I can see LG's OEM is even worse than TW and HTC that's why it's not even ever mentioned.. not to mention the usual specs and hardware phone wise that they produce till recentlhy. :mad:
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tk1o48:
what suffices as stock currently? can i just flash the dl09 odin package and let it OTA up to ed04? Or can i just flash the stock vzw package? Essentially can someone point me in the right direction to be as stock as possible. I miss text messages and calls occasionally and dont want cm7 to be the blame for it.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaffob:
Actually I was talking to the people who ***** about a certain phone just because that it has its OEM rom on it. If you are here, you should be able to change it to whatever you want for it and because of this, you shouldn't judge a phone at its stock value. That's what average joes do, we look at the development side of the phone and should make a smarter choice. Oh btw, MIUI is also AOSP based so I guess there are OEM and AOSP. :)
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skafan2:
If you want to be sure, odin back to a ROM that can *228 (I know some versions of CM have trouble with this). Otherwise, if they ask you to update, tell them it says you're at the current version and that your status says ED04 - That's what I did. I then odined back to EB01 full stock (Check the sticky at the top of the development forum) and updated the modem to ED04 to send it back it so they wouldn't blame the problem on rooting.

Edit: If you're paranoid, and you probably should be, do a full nandroid backup, follow the steps in this thread (or at least flash one of the two stocks in it), and then factory reset before calling.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1124391
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tk1o48:
I called and was told i would be contacted within 24-48 hours. He said he noted my account with a voice ticket indicating it would be processed sooner. I was on cm7 and ec09 at the time. He asked me to send a pic msg and i did and it worked, of course. but never when i need it to. Should i call back tomorrow and emphasize i need a working phone or do you think the rep noted i was already non updated and an another baseband? Anyy suggestions would help as my fassy has been having some weird data problems
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skafan2:
Well, if it's data problems, then it's probably unrelated to the missed call issue and you won't be eligible for upgrade. Check this thread here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1051543

However, if you're having legitimate voice problems and verizon isn't doing anythign for you, call samsung directly. Then, when they fail to fix it, call back to Verizon and tell them that Samsung said that you need a replacement. I ended up calling Saumsung directly, and that's what finally convinced them to let me trade in my device.

Also, while the baseband being off in their system may ring some alarm bells, it won't completely screw you over. For example, mine said it was still EB01 in their system - I just told them it said ED04 when they asked me, because I had legitimately upgraded to ED04, but since it wasn't OTA, it didn't show up to them. Again, ONLY do this if you are actually having the problems, because they probe pretty deep. Fraud = bad.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PeterGunz:
I have called several times and not had any luck with getting a new model (I have had the missed call issue), but after hearing this I think i will Odin to stock in the morning and call again. Cannot be too careful. Thanks for the heads up.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slic|<:
Damn really?? Call tech either really close to 11:00 at night or sometime between 10-noonish. You should get a WAY better response. And call tech directly, also be forward.. and don't pause. Tell them all the problems you're having and how you fixed it and apparently there's a policy from samsung to verizon that they need/will switch/exchange the phones till the samsung update towards the end of July.

They'll either already know this and just ask if you want to exchange the device and which one you want OR if they don't know, they will look up the policy than ask you which device you want..

I've called several times, and I never had an issue.. I tried getting the TBOLT instead of Dinc2 because Nin said that could be possible (?) but to no avail because it's not written in the policy so you wouldn't be able to get it, no exceptions. :( I even had one today asking if I wanted yet another order for either 3 phones, though I had just placed 2.. :\.

They're really accomadating when they feel you know what you're talking about and the remedy for it. :|