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[EVO 4G General] IncredibleSlover:
So what does this mean exactly? We can still use our phones right? For the ones who actually have an android? Will it affect the market App?
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
if what you're saying is true, this patent would then be rejected if questioned.

Any patent that is too broad can be dismissed. so you don't need to worry too much.

Just like non compete, you may sign something, but if unreasonable or too restrictive, the judge will dismiss it. I really don't think "Any touch screen, scrollable widgets etc will be covered under that patent" i really don't believe that. I guess we'll see since we're not IP lawyers here.

And i agree with you, if apple indeed has that kind of power, then it won't be good at all, but let's not imagine things only based on a few undecipherable document.
[EVO 4G General] subprime:
Unfortunately, no you can no longer use it starting tomorrow. You can send the phone to me and I will make sure it is taken care of.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
Isn't multi-touch part of Androids OS, NOT Sense/TW/Blurp?

Apple is now the 800lbs gorilla when it comes to anything mobile, which started with the iPod. I don't think Apple's sales have been affected enough yet for Android to be considered a threat. Will it be in the future, quite possible.

You have the think about it this way, there has been no true innovations in the tech field in quite some time. Everyone steals/uses other peoples ideas all the time. Mac OS is based off of Unix/Linux. Windows stole everything they have from Mac and hasn't stopped trying to emulate MacOSX.

I think Apple's suits are frivolous and stupid. I believe their lawyers should all be flogged with USB cables and forced to use Newtons for the rest of their lives. The US has become way too much of a litigious society. Our national pastime is no longer baseball, it is a game called Lawsuit. Whomever has the highest price mouthpiece wins and the gov't allows it, as long as they get their cut.

[/nonsensical rant]
[EVO 4G General] htc_joe:
I own that patent. Now I want my money
[EVO 4G General] htc_joe:
Apple should do a microsoft and get money. Microsoft makes more money on android fees then they do on windows phone 7
[EVO 4G General] bonebeatz1234:
Fu## apple make the iphone open like android and they could compete dumbs asses find anyway to bring somebody down just take every phone maker to court they all do the same ****.

I think apple just want every one to have there iphone. How about make more than one phone smh I'll go back to flip up phone before i buy a iphone ugh.
[EVO 4G General] htc_joe:
I like htc and samsung but I like the current patent system as many,people make money off of it.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
It was just approved, took 4 years of arguing dude. That's it and they have it now
[EVO 4G General] subprime:
The patent isn't that broad. Check it out HERE
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
what i was saying is that if the patent is that broad it would be most likely rejected if in question in a law suit.

You read the Patent is assumed that it covered everything (you mentioned games even), this is the part i don't see or understand why you make such claim. But you said you read it, so you felt compelled to bash the patent owner.

Basically: If patent is too broad > will be rejected most of the time in court.

This patent actually looks very specific and doesn't have anything to do with what you mentioned. I actually don't even see how it could slow down Android platform.
[EVO 4G General] Hazelfoot:
When you look at an HTC phone, you can clearly tell they do everything they can to NOT be like Apple.

Then Apple gets butthurt over another company having a decent product and manages to win a lawsuit. Bull****.
[EVO 4G General] coldsweat:
I'm sorry, then you are either constantly developing and running alpha programs all the time or you're just doing it wrong. Your Evo should not be crashing daily with any sort of regular use whatsoever. I've ran stable versions of CM7, Synergy and MIUI all without daily crashes. In most cases I actually have to force myself to remember to reboot from time to time.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
A little something to add fuel to this fire. OMGWTFBBQ!!!!11!!

http://www.talkandroid.com/47387-er...-innovation-they’re-responding-with-lawsuits/

It looks like Google will be giving HTC it's full backing for the Apple lawsuit.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Of course google would be supporting HTC.

Google is also in trouble violating licenses from Oracle (sun microsystems). This is what happens when you jump too quick into stuff without doing your homework and have all their ducks in a row.

There's so much money involved that now things are skewed.

If google and HTC gets away with the licenses mess they violated, it will set a precedent I think for the industry. And my feel is that it won't be for the benefit of innovation.

I guess we'll see.
[EVO 4G General] Android 17:
Right, because if Apple gets away with their blatant abuse of the patent system and somehow win an injunction against the Android OS as a whole, that will do wonders for the sake of innovation...

Because it didn't already take them years to add simple multitasking, folders, and now the upcoming notification system that Android had already done.

If Android were to somehow cease as a whole, we can look forward to even less innovation from Apple and other companies in the smartphone market.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Android won't cease to be, no need to be paranoid.

Has Apple violated a patent for the notif. bar from android?

Not that i know off.

Has HTC violated the patents held by Apple?

yes

Has Apple violated some licenses from Nokia?

Yes

Was Apple found guilty for those violations because Nokia had patents?

Yes

Is Nokia then responsible for holding back competition? monopolistic? stopping innovation?

No

PS: if someone can pinpoint to me a good 8 track audio software for android, i'm in the market for a tablet. So far, j4t is not doing it. Any suggestions?
[EVO 4G General] rrr1986:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15802781﻿

[G+ page] Appleboycott

Look what i found!!

Sent from my patent violating EVO.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You've never used a iPhone then. When I first got the EVO I couldn't help but notice all the similarities. Glossed panels with insset default state buttons. Rounded lists. The rolling time counters. If you made it light blue instead of black, itd look a little like a ugly knock off.

To me it looked like they took their Windows version of Sense, added more black and slapped on OSX like graphical elements.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Open like your locked up sensation 4g? Android openness is as big of a crock of marketing **** as Apples magical stance.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
I figured I would pop this up and show how much of a threat Android is to Apple at this point. /sarcasm

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/apples-q3-earnings-exceed-estimates-28-57-billion-revenue-7/

I just want to note, I am a Mac and Linux user. I do NOT consider iPhones/Pads/Touch to really be part of that family, only because that is the way I wish it to be. Apple has the market because people are SHEEP and will follow what their friends, family, and the media tell them to do.

And as someone who has experience in the iOS, Sense really doesn't resemble it in the least. Touchwiz, OTOH, is a blatant rip off!
[EVO 4G General] XsMagical:
I have a iPhone 3g and an iPhone 4, sense is no where close to looking like apple. Apple has a ugly doc that is like osx they don't have long press, they have different icons, no Widgets at all or status notifications until ios5... now who's copying who there? Apple needs to Sue android not HTC. HTC made android look nice but didn't chenge its features. It only made them better.

Android is open source just like all the other Linux distros, if the hardware isn't open that us a different story. I suggest you do more research on Linux before posting. It sounds like your an apple fan boy. And fyi, Linux had the android style GUI before apple had any iPhone crap made. Check gnome or kde ...
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I've used Linux for a looonnngg time. Both as developer (server distros) and end user (Ubuntu, Fedora, etc). Android is open source in the sense that you can look at the source but outside of that there is very little incentive to the end user. You can't contribute to the source and with the locking down of devices we're starting to lose the small side effect advantages like flashing kernels.

My main point is that Google pushes the open source stance as if it were a advatange for the end user and people like thr poster i replied to eat it up. I can guarantee you that the sole reason for Android being open source is to allow OEMs to take it and mold it to their own quasi OS. Meanwhile people think that open source = customization... but how so? I was flashing ROMs on WinMo and I was also able to completely change the home screen. That wasn't open source.

The whole irony of this is that the OEM based open source strategy of Anndroid is closing it up for consumers. Why do you think HTC decided to lock up Android? They were able to create their own quasi OS (Sense), they then created their own services, and now they are even making their own media stores. They want to lock down users so that they can depend on their services and to buy their content. Once HTC starts seeing some money coming from their content stores, say hello to locked bootloaders again. Its all a matter of time before other carriers and OEMs do the same, and many of them are already.
[EVO 4G General] LCL22:
i dont expand my lungs willingly , i pump air in using a hand pump so i dont have to give you a single cent....HA! (take that apple lawyers)
[EVO 4G General] newuser134:
Is this guy serious?

Who is this idiot? Why doesn't someone revoke his membership in this forum? If he thinks what Apple is doing is so great, why is he participating in a mostly Android forum/thread, where the purpose of the site/forum is for people to get inspiration from others, use other people's knowledge and ideas to improve upon and make better things/software/Roms? That is also exactly what Android phones and HTC is all about. If Apple is so good that everyone uses "their ideas", why is it that they can't making something better with their own ideas, so that people WANT to buy their products, not be FORCED to buy their products? You can't make your product better by breaking someone else's, that won't get us humans anywhere in the long run, it'll just make us stay where we are. If there are a set of sets of technology available to phone makers, I say whoever uses it more intuitively and makes a better product is the winner, not the one that wines about someone using those sets of the technology belonging to them, instead of trying to make something good of their own. I don't think there is any purpose to all this but to just simply remove the competition instead of having to compete with them. This won't happen. HTC is better, so they'll come out ahead, regardless of what all these Apple fans say to defend something that most people don't want to buy out of their own free will?

How long did Apple take to add 3G, MMS and video, and now is taking to add 4G, to their phones? Does anyone think they ever would have, had it not been for the competition? No! So if you want to live in a market where new phones come out once a year, with just minor changes from the previous version, which will be even slower if there is no longer any competition, then you can agree with Apple. If you want better phones coming out every few months, with top of the line software and technology, limited by what is physically possible, not by what Apple thinks they're allowed to use that they don't think is theirs, then you can agree with free competition among all phone makers and leave the choice to the consumers.
[EVO 4G General] newuser134:
Exactly! Why don't we all just patent transmission by radio waves, so we can sue other cell phone makers for using wireless transmission for their phones to communicate, then we'd all be stuck to only one type of cell phone, maybe the Nokia 5165, even now. Then other cell phones would have to use wired phones and plug into the wall, oh wait, someone else already patented that technology too! I was going to buy my wife a macbook for her to use because she's been wanting one for a long time. That just changed, I will not buy any Apple products ever again. This will not have the effect Apple thinks it will have, it is obviously very clear what the purpose of all this is! People aren't stupid, they will see this, and it will have the opposite effect of what Apple thinks it might have.
[EVO 4G General] newuser134:
That's because a lot of people would rather buy Apple products to show that they have iPhones or macs rather that for functionality, so the Apple products are outrageously expensive compared to what they can actually do! I think for the amount of time HTC has been around relative to Apple, it is doing pretty well! Apple products are more of an esthetic statement than functionality.

Remember, you are referring to a company that made computers shaped like egg shells or desk lamps to sell them rather than make them useful. It wasn't until Intel opened its chips to Apple that it became worth a crap to even consider looking at one of them. I'm not trying to promote pc's, but even now, pricewise, you get a lot more functionality and hardware for the same price if you get a pc than you do if you get a mac, just go to your closest computer store and compare prices and specs.
[EVO 4G General] droidhype:
I'm sure Android will eventually catch up to Apple.
[EVO 4G General] rushco:
Google announced 550,000 android activations a day and the iPhone 220,000 a day. Apple needs to catch up.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
wow :)

Totalitarianism much?

You really want to get my account revoked? really??

Also that quote from you here is hilarious: "so that people WANT to buy their products, not be FORCED to buy their products?"

You definitely outwitted everyone with your uncanny logic.

Congratulations.
[EVO 4G General] Danx757:
I don't really understand those patents but it seems like apple will habe to sue every device manufacturer who makes internet enabled devices. Lol

Soooooooo many IOS stuff was stolen from android, but google can't sue cause its open source.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Ok, first off, thank you for having a civilized conversation. Thank you.

Now. I understand what you're saying, i do like HTC, i do like Android.

I like the fact that i can customize it all i want, i am hmm pretty much a flash-aholic. Seriously.

the Iphone is not for me. the Ipad is not for me. It is very simple.

I joined this forum with good intent, i learned so much, from theming to installing eclipse etc.

I love that i can start coding my own apps and test it on the phone without havin to jailbreak it or whatever the hell they do on the iphone to test it on the hardware.

With all that out of the way, this thread is really simple, and i know i am in the minority in this forum, but having been around the block with technology for quite a few decades, i do have a leg to stand on, and i wanted to share my opinion. If this thread is a 1 way only, i am sorry, i wasn't aware that it was HTC SUPPORTERS only. i thought it was an open forum where people could express their opinion.

Now, IP stuff is very complicated, it takes a long time, from approval, to submission, to analysis etc. They have to prepare a case, why would they sue anybody left and right without even knowing if they would win or not?

"I THINK you stole from me, so i'm gonna sue you" doesn't work.

if you sue someone you better get your ducks in a row. It takes a long time.

Apple is being sued all the time, and so is microsoft and google etc etc.

it is all almost funny money at this point, it is a race, lawsuit/counterlawsuit/counter-counter lawsuit etc.

Here, we're in a HTC forum, HTC is a small company, who doesn't like to root for the underdog, that's what's happening.

the BIG giant apple is the devil and HTC the underdog, i get that, it is a great story, and it's fun.

The thing is that this is reality, with real money, with real invention with real future.

I will be happy when apple gets sued for the notification bar they stole. yes.

I respect the fact that IP/patents/copyrights are being enforced.

Asking me to watch pirates of s.valley is hmmm well i guess you don't know me, but believe me, i know my stuff. and yes. i do know that movie quite well.

As far as being a waste of time, i'm not sure you realize, we are in the "general topic" with a thread named: HTC shutting down. We are not in the help, FAQ, cm7 forums, kernel threads etc.

I think it is perfectly valid to discuss here.

I guess if you want me to shut up. i will.

I will politely stop if asked to do so.

Do you want me to stop posting in this thread?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Revenue and profits is what really counts.
[EVO 4G General] :
Popping in from my new home in 3d land to say suck my ass apple you nut huggers

Apple sucks ballz
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
I want my 3d so bad
[EVO 4G General] kingdazy:
Apple's preliminary victory was a serious wound to the company, but it still has ample opportunity to escape its attacker and survive. If it and its fellow Android makers can indeed survive, they will have put Apple in a very bad spot, exhausting their rival’s final desperation attempt at market supremacy. After all, the market appears to be leaning in favor of selection and price -- globally Android is outselling the iPhone over two-to-one.
[EVO 4G General] subprime:
This might be off topic but here is a comment from engadget. I think the part that I put in bold sums up some of the underlying reasons why people can't stand Apple no matter what they do. Whether they should be suing, whether they shouldn't...whether they should have been granted a patent or not. Whether HTC really did steal their idea or not:

I started realizing this after they announced Facetime for the iphone. Video chat has been available outside of the US for a while yet Steve Jobs gets on stage and announces video chat for the iphone. If you didn't know any better (the average consumer?) you would come away believing that Apple came up with this technology and is unveiling it to the world for the first time. They do this with so many different things and people just blindly buy into it. Great marketing, no doubt, but that kind of attitude makes me root for them to fail.
[EVO 4G General] ZombieReagan:
Lots of fanboy rage in this thread, wow. Apple is doing exactly the same thing that Microsoft, Motorola, Nokia, Oracle and even HTC is. Everyone is literally suing each other, mostly because the patent system is a complete mess. Too many vaguely worded sofware patents are awarded, and damn near everyone abuses the hell out of the system to get a cut of someone else's success. They do it because copyright infringement requires a lot more evidence than patent infringement does. The problem is, current patent law wasn't written with software in mind. It's a big freaking mess and it'll probably get worse before it gets better.

Considering the ITC advised against upholding the Apple's claims against HTC, there's a pretty good chance the review board will overrule the judges decision anyways. But if you're going to call Apple out for being assholes about it, be consistent and call them all assholes for abusing the system. Apple haters are nearly as annoying as Apple zealots. Go ahead and call Steve Job's out for being a tremendous douchebag though, there's plenty of proof to back that up. ;-)
[EVO 4G General] runcool:
If some court order said HTC couldn't sell in the USA.. then I'd buy out of the USA and have their phones anyway. also, if there was no law against it... I would do some bad things. but can't go into detail on that part. ahhahahahhaa
[EVO 4G General] stumpyz9:
You know what apple and all of its products are ****ing horrible and they just can't stand that. So the have to go and sue everyone who makes a better product than them. I know everyone else probably mentioned all this already but this **** just pisses me off so much. I f apple would just try to compete in the market fairly like everyone else they might actually have enough time left over to focus on making a decent product with a decent is. You don't see HTC Samsung or Motorola going around suing all the compitition just to sell there product. That's why there so horrible. And to be honest if they actually didn't do retarded ass stuff like this I might actually consider buying an iPhone.........no...I would never buy an iPhone.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Apple is one of the most successful companies in the world. Moto, HTC, etc. Don't have anything on them. Maybe they should start making horrible products too, seems to be working for Apple.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
You obviously never really owned an apple product.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
My friends iPhone has been updatimgnsimce six pm last night.

Horrible
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
I think he needs to read this, I did post it earlier.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/a...ion-revenue-7/
[EVO 4G General] redhatter:
This is Apple SOP, the hypocritical bastard steal from everybody, (see Xerox PARC) then say then invented it, then sue everyone, all the while promotion Apple as a "different enlighten corporate citizen of the world"....

Apple has become one major evil prick company, helped by staying very well politically connected as friends to the to the self proclaimed watchdog that say they protect us from major evil prick companys

Did you read this part:

"The initial determination was made by Administrative Law Judge Carl Charneski, a member of a six-judge U.S. International Trade Commission panel in Washington, D.C. ......

The ruling is especially surprising as in April ITC staffers gave a recommendation against Apple's infringement allegations."

Something really really stinks in this ruling....this is no small thing to have a judge go off on his own tangent against advice of staff and make a ruling that could hand a monopoly to one company for a multibillion dollar industry
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Did Apple Steal Xerox Intellectual Property Without Permission?

Did Xerox get compensated from Apple?

Did Apple create anything from the Xerox or simply repackaged it and claim it as their own?
[EVO 4G General] stumpyz9:
I have owned apple products before. And I hated them. That's why I'll stick with android
[EVO 4G General] ECrispy:
Why hasn't google sued Apple for outright stealing the notification bar?
[Galaxy S II General] m.shafik:
I'm not sure if it's ok to post this here, so if it's not please remove it.

I was searching for BLN support for Galaxy S II, and I found some Japanese dev working on this, but it seems to be only working while the USB cable is connected. Check this out:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://creamsnexus.blogspot.com/&sl=&tl=en
[Galaxy S II General] sunwee:
i've came across a few post, by various ppl saying that bln is almost ready or just about done or just around the corner, but it's has been days or even weeks. Still no BLN.

no idea why, this is like one of the most requested features for SGS2.
[Galaxy S II General] luminus:
Would be great to see this Mod coming to the GS II.

Waiting for this like many others i guess.
[Galaxy S II General] vorcigernix:
Problem is that they are stuck on same thing as boys working on bln here. It can be turned on, but you will have to force screen on to have it working (make no sense).
[G Tablet General] maxzdad:
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