yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Atrix 4G General] totalimmortal363:
Beyond the camera, nothing has been more stable than my iPhone 4. Nothing. I use a Mac and the iTunes intergration is wonderful on an iPhone and is basically non-exsistent on my Atrix. DoubleTwist is a terrible substitute.

I gave it a shot, a really good shot. I've had it for a few months and in that time I've seen why people come into my store everyday asking for the iPhone. Not android phones. Not the Atrix. Not WP7 phones. The iPhone. It's popular because it works.
[Atrix 4G General] lsxrx7:
Of course they ask for iphone in the Apple store
[Atrix 4G General] totalimmortal363:
I work for AT&T. Not Apple. Nice try though....
[Atrix 4G General] shriva:
Phone Arena has a nice side by side comparison of the atrix and iphone 4 cameras..

And that's before the GB update...be interesting to see a comparison between them again with the update.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-vs-Apple-iPhone-4_id2679/page/3
[Atrix 4G General] Jibraldor:
1. Why buy the Atrix 4G when you work at an ATT store and you could have tried it before buying the phone and compare it to the IP4?

2. Comparing the cameras from one phone to another is pretty damn stupid in my humble opinion. I mean, think about it.....have you ever seen a professional photographer buying a phone to take professional photos?

3. I own an Ipod touch 2nd Gen 8 Gigs (Jailbroken to IOS 2.4.1 with background image and multitasking option) and it's a good music device and i had all my stored on it. I downloaded an app from the Android Market called TuneSync (it's free) and i transferred ALL my songs from the ipod to my Atrix within minutes and i can sync my itunes on my phone all the time.

4. I think you are just an apple fanboy trying to get attention here. If you really hate the Atrix, then use your IP4 and sell your Atrix or give it to a close one or whatever you want to do with it.
[Atrix 4G General] guitarded068:
I totally agree. If you have even the slightest genuine interest in photography, then you wouldn't care about any camera that comes on any phone, because you'd know they're all crap compared to a real camera. But still, it's nice to have a portable device that can easily take quick snapshots of everyday life. That being said, the Atrix on Gingerbread already takes great pictures for what it's good for. The rest (or rather the majority) is up to the user to practice basic photography principles to make the most of their phone's camera. If you're unsatisfied with the quality of the pictures you take with the Atrix, it's not the Atrix that needs improvement; your skills do!

The whole phone camera argument is absurd. It makes more sense to say "I used an iPhone 4 for a while, but I switched because the camera sucks compared to my Lumix GH2 digital SLR. And after I patiently learned how to be a smartphone poweruser from the XDA community, I finally realized that the Atrix is much more capable and awesome device." =P

Sent from my unlocked MB860 running

Kenn's 2.3.4 Gingerbread Beta 4,

edgan's OC kernel,

using XDA app.
[Atrix 4G General] totalimmortal363:
1. I got it for free.

2. Im not lugging a big camera around everyday. For portability, the iPhone 4 wins hands down in the camera department

3. All my music is in apple lossless format. Android phones don't play it. Why waste time converting when I can just sync?

4. I use apple products because they work. Period. I gave android a really good shot, it didn't measure up. Sorry that offends you.

Call me a fanboy all you'd like, Im not going to ignore the most successful single phone ever made. Its popular because it works.

I don't blindly follow trends. If I did id drive a Lexus, not a Jaguar.
[Atrix 4G General] jaysnip:
I really hate to be the one to say this but...

Obvious troll is obvious.
[Atrix 4G General] helifixer:
2. Big camera? Almost any p&s is better, I carry my s90 almost everywhere without issue.

3. Well obviously u have a bias for apple to begin with and have never heard of batch converters.

4. If we are going to talk cars I see it this way:

Iphone= family mini car, reliable, little maintainance needed. Boring as hell but gets u a to b.

Android= hot rod, way more fun to play with but *gasp* requires a little more hands on work and is going to have some quirks.
[Atrix 4G General] Magnetox:
You say everyone's buying iPhones... somehow Android has a larger market share.... interesting...
[Atrix 4G General] totalimmortal363:
Let's not even get into market share. No single android phone can match the sales of the iPhone. Compare the DROID line with the iPhone line, no comparison.

Again, why waste the time converting when I can just sync? I never said I didn't know how, I don't want to.

The iPhone 4 is a refined luxury sedan with a v8.

An android phone is a hotrod with the same v8. Just a little suped up for performance at the expense of reliability.

One will go faster, one is more stylish. Ill take the smooth sailing v8. Like my Jaguar. I can go deeper, but feelings would get hurt.

A troll that actually owns an ATRIX? Rooted, unlocked BL, kp's gingerbread, and overclocked. Not a troll when I've done everything possible to the device, everything you all have done, and its still inferior. Still can't hold a data connection, inexcusable. Still lags.

Why would a single device sell so well and have the following it does if it sucked? Simple. It wouldn't.
[Atrix 4G General] helifixer:
Well sounds like you should just hold onto your iphone....... just not too tight or you will loose your signal. Oh but please before you leave tell us some more about your Jaguar. (Aka- Another purchase of something based on its brands past glory)
[Atrix 4G General] jaysnip:
Really now. the iPhone/Jaguar comparison is a good one. You've been sold a bill of goods :) Seeing as the Jag is nothing more than a Ford now, nothing special, as is the iPhone.
[Atrix 4G General] nosit1:
I loved my iPhone camera. It was an amazing shot. Now that I've been using my Atrix, I use the camera more and more everyday. You know what they say, the best camera is the camera you have with you. Most shots in daylight come out beautiful. Night shots are difficult. One thing I did notice with the Atrix is the video stabilization isn't as predominant as it is in the iPhone. Seems more shake prone. Anyone else agree?
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
I guess the notion that the XDA community has gone downhill with the influx of many new members was true. Posts like these are part of the reason why ROM devs are starting to move away from XDA and to their own site and board. Why do you all insist on attacking someone on their choice of phone? The guy never asked for your opinion of what phone he should get. He has stated several times that he has tried both phones and felt the iPhone 4 was a better fit for him. So be it. No need to keep pestering him telling him he picked the "wrong" phone for the "wrong" reasons. Why does his choice of phone affect you? Many of you are demonstrating the very fanaticism that you accuse Apple fans of. I swear, many of you have to attack other people's choice of phone just to justify your own choice of phone.

Fact is, there is no one best phone. There is a "best" phone for different people. For his particular needs, the iPhone is that phone. He even stated that he works in a very Apple-centric environment. I would wholeheartedly advise him to get an iPhone over an android since he uses a Mac and iTunes. Every OS/Device has its own strengths and weaknesses. Stop thinking your phone is the end all be all of all smartphones becuase it's not.
[Atrix 4G General] Jibraldor:
1. Why complain then? Take a chill pil, dude. Sell it on ebay and get some money out of it?

2. For portability, there is no HUGE difference between the IP4's camera and the one on the Atrix. If you really want a phone just for the camera, then there are 12MP phones out there as well. http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/10-best-camera-phones-904250. You could sell your Atrix and get one of those if camera portability is that important to you. As far as i am concerned, i have been taking lots of photos with my Atrix and i love how they look on my Laptop/TV.

3. TuneSync is the reverse of Itunes Syncing (converting MP3s) to Apple's lossless format, but it takes a heck of a lot less time to "TuneSync" to your Atrix compared to Syncing to your IP4/Ipod (from my very own experience).

4. It does not offend me at all and you have your own taste, which i totally respect but you don't seem to be respecting ours. I mean, you come on an android forum, and you say that you are going to switch to your IP4 because of the camera....seriously? The OP of the thread asked how he could improve the camera....that is totally irrelevant and not to mention how disrespectful it is. I could go on and on about why the Atrix is better than the IP4 and be disrespectful to you too but i won't.

5. You are a fan boy and ironically, most people i know (my friends and unfortunately my very own girlfriend) have an Iphone because they are following the trend.

When you put it that way, specs-wise and in terms of features, you definitely are driving a Jaguar, bro. Not any Jaguar though but the 1974 Jaguar XK-E V12 Series III, check out this link and you will see why:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658498_1658027,00.html
[Atrix 4G General] totalimmortal363:
True. I say one thing about going back to back to an iPhone 4 and all hell breaks loose. I even showed that im far from a mindless apple person, having pushed my ATRIX just as far as everyone here.
[Atrix 4G General] totalimmortal363:
Last I checked fords were not made in birmingham england in some of the same factories jaguar has used for ages. There isn't a rebadged ford part in my entire car. A response like that shows how little you know about your own opinions and how little you research before spouting them off.

As an aside, jaguar is no longer owned by ford. Do your research.
[Atrix 4G General] Exador:
Ford sold Jaguar to Tata Motors a long time ago. Jaguars are unreliable and overpriced and always have been. I've owned 2 in the past 20 years ( a 97' XJ6 & an 06' XK8) so I know what they're all about, but If you like it that's all that matters I guess.
[Atrix 4G General] Magnetox:
LOL the iphone does not have a v8. It has an underclocked 4 cylinder. The atrix has a v8.

You can't go deeper.

What does iphone do better than android? Offer an overpriced bland experience that you share with every single other iphone user? I shouldn't need an $800 phone to be able to sync music from my pc to my phone. That's why I download MP3's.

They just took the notification bar from android, now they're at android 1.6. I can't wait until they take android widgets. Seems all they can do nowadays is steal ideas, since their whole development team is busy finding ways to sue competitors.

You might enjoy using the same phone as millions of other people in the world, with the exact same firmware, exact same hardware, and exact same apps, but android opens up a world full with the freedom of choice. That's not your thing? No problem.

Just get the **** off XDA.
[Atrix 4G General] mk1151:
This person has clearly made their mind up - we will no more convince them that the iPhone is worse than an Atrix than they will convince you that the Atrix is worse than an iPhone.

I will say this - I have all Mac, and I had an iPhone 4. I hated the little things - like not being able to change wallpapers for each home screen. Not having the option to set custom notification tones. No ability to add widgets to your lock screen, or widgets at all for that matter.

Even iOS 5 only addresses some of these things, with the same limitations and constraints.

As for sync, I installed MML and it read all my iTunes content and synced immediately to my Atrix. No Doubletwist needed.

Going back to what started this - yes, the iPhone does have better camera performance. Some of that is attributed to the sensor, the rest is the SW/drivers. Like the iPhone however, the Atrix has "tricks" to get great photographs. Are they DSLR quality? No, but then again, neither is the iPhone. The Atrix built-in editing capabilities are also far superior to the iPhone, so even though the raw image may not be as great, there is a lot you can do to tweak the image and save it.

As I have come to rely more and more on my mobile device daily for everything, widgets, TRUE multi-tasking, etc have become far more important than a higher-quality camera. My iPhone would also constantly drop calls (even when I wasn't holding it). I was told that was an AT&T issue, but I don't have it with the Atrix. If I loose a better camera for a fully working phone and all these features, that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

If listening to/watching proprietary, copy-protected media (especially if you already have a large investment in it) and taking super-clear images is yours, then the Atrix isn't for you.
[Atrix 4G General] stratax:
dude, the atrix has a v10 ;D hahaha
[Atrix 4G General] DJHile:
WHAT?!?! With dual core I thought it had the V12??? I'm disappointed now!

(Insert sarcasm here) lol
[Atrix 4G General] viper98:
i had to register just to give my 2 cents

i've owned every iphone ever released in canada and not one holds a candle to my atrix. furthermore this guy onviously doesn't have a 32gb ip4 cuz the thing suffers from major chugging when it nears capacity

but to the topic at hand... I'm an amateur photographer and obviously the atrix can't compare to my DSLR but it's more than adequate in quality if you are just doing shots for the internet. Many of the flaws with the photos aren't that noticable when you resize to 640x480/800x600. I use Pro HDR Camera app and think it works just fine.
[Atrix 4G General] Mr. Clown:
Dead end thread. If you want to talk about the iphone more, we have our Iphone Developers site to do this ;).
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Azurstorm:
Hello all,

I was trying the "Ginger Real 8.0", I was very happy, all were well except a "big" problem that I found.

When I open a shortcuts folder, the window is oversized, bigger than the size of the screen, and the last column of shorcuts is no more accessible.

I wipe (two times), installing the full original JVQ package with the Ginger Real, but even in 7.1.3, I have the same problem.

My question was to know if it is a known problem, and if I am alone to have it!

Thanks!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hstr:
i just want to install clock world mod recovery on my phone. but i always failed to do . i copied the files intrigz and zimage to my 4 gb memmory carrd and ran daf, but on the reeboot it never loads the files.

i did the same method with my 2 gb memmory card and i was successfull.

please tell me how to do this on 4gb memmoery card.

mgldr is 1.13
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mootmetal:
u can install recovery even without an sd card just go to usb flasher from magldr menu and run daf ...it will istall it
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hstr:
it does not loads than the intigrz and zimage
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mootmetal:
take out ur sd card download the toolkit and flash recovery from usb flasher
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1090783
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mellie815:
Hi all

I'm so sick of switching ROMs on my EVO 4G!! My battery life seems to suck no matter which ROM I try. I've tested my battery; it's fine. What I'd like is to be able to use Skype (just chatting; rarely use voice on Skype) with my EVO and get more than 3 hours battery life. I don't use Skype constantly; just want to be able to use the phone for more than a few hours before it becomes a paperweight!

Right now, pretty much as soon as I log into Skype on the EVO the batt drops to 80% and continues to drop every 30 min or so. Forget web browsing or texting; that kills it so fast it's dead in 2 hours.

I'm running Deodexed 4.24.651.1 and have tried Cyanomod, Baked Snack, Stock rooted and they all suck for battery life with Skype.

Maybe I need a different kernel?

Any ideas???

Thanks in advance!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Afro Samurai:
Maybe because it's Saturday. I'm surprised they haven't jumped on you for posting this in this section. None of the roms that are gingerbread will have the life you had on 2.2 unless the code gets released and the guys that make kernels can make new ones. Battery life on the roms vary but if it means alot you should try Calkulin's rom. He has an undervolting script built in that may work for you. If you flash a kernel from the 2.2 roms you might get better battery life but something will break in the rom, ie camera.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VinceOB:
Awesome development work dude!!!!!! Cant wait to try it out. Where's the download link??
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alaman68:
My first idea would be posting in the correct section, or, it sucks that Skype and battery life blow on this rom you developed.

Since that is over, are you wiping properly with a formatall.zip? Are you making sure to flash the correct kernels with the corresponding rom? Are you restoring any data with titanium backup?

Move this to the q&a and you will get the information you are looking for.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crammed174:
I thought you had to have 10 posts before you could post in the dev section?

simple answer - skype though awesome also sucks.

for example just think about a laptop. my 7 hr macbook pro dies in under 2 hrs when i'm video or phone chatting on skype... shouldn't the same be expected for a cell? you're getting 3 hours, albeit only chatting as you say, but skype has been and remains a highly demanding application which although is convenient and widely used IMO is poorly written considering it's cpu and battery drainage. compared to simple web based google chat w/ video I get far superior battery life. like i said, my opinion, my experience. and yes as mentioned, try undervolting or SBC kernels or both. My EVO has ranged from stock settings 5 hr life to deck's w/ tiamat sbc + vipermod approx 40 hours (the 40 was when it was honestly just idle most of the time, occasional call or text a little bit of browsing, i was sick so on laptop mostly- although typical moderate daily use I would still be above 20% before plug in before sleep)

as long as you mentioned it, anyone happen to know a stable skype apk with video that was pulled? i've tried different sources and a bunch of my usual roms and I either get only back camera for a little then crashing or front camera green fuzziness and crash instantly.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] charm1950:
Why is it I needed like 10 posts to post here but this guy can ask questions like this with 6 posts? WTF?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mellie815:
First off, I apologize for this being here. I THOUGHT I was posting in the Q & A threads so please don't be snarky. I had the other thread open in another browser tab going back and forth looking for input. How it got accepted I don't know; as I said I thought it was going into the QA area. Sorry.

To altman, yes; I am doing a complete format/wipe and only restoring essentials via Titanium.

To 'crammed', try Tango; it's decent video chat, is free and is soon to be released for desktops too so cell to pc video chat will work. Tango is nice that it lets you utilize both front/rear facing cams (and did I mention it's free?). The big problem is trying to chat with folks who don't have cell access/unlimited minutes who need a desktop option like Skype, which is why I use it. With family in Poland and UK, Skype's the best way to stay connected for free for me but again, they don't have the same cellular access/plans so it's not possible to do cell to cell.

Thanks for the input
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] github:
OP created his/her account before the 10 post restriction went into effect. The change was not retroactive.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kostov22:
tango is cool....i also use ClearSea...it's got the pc support so you can video chat between cell and pc...works pretty nice over 3g...

just an idea....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zac95:
Decks 1.2.1 stable ROM in "advanced settings" in settings go to performance, go to VM heap set to 48

Savaged Zen 2.2.1 cfs SBC kernel

Battery calibration (market app) follow in app instructions

Setcpu (market app) my settings are 1152 Max 245 min savagedzen governor

Download rom manager and run fix permissions

Let it all sit 3 days, takes kernel that long to set and battery life gets better after a few full charges

I get great battery life. I get upwards of 20 hours easy and I use my phone heavily so, hopefully this will help

Next time please post your questions in the q and a section, dev is for someone who has something they have developed for the community to use. Thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GeneralSky2004:
You guys sound like he should be hanged for posting here. Lol people make mistakes, it isn't that big of an issue.

If battery life is an issue for you, you have a few options. You can jump to CM7 or Evo Deck and set them up properly. With either of those, you can flash a nice kernel and set clock speeds accordingly. Battery life is going to suck on any 2.3.3 Rom right now, because developers have no access to the source code for the kernel. HTC is taking their sweet time.

However, you can also look into extended batteries. I have a one I found on ebay for about $16, and it's wonderful. The phone has a little bulk now, but I am currently sitting at 16.25 hours off the charger, and I'm at 32%. This is also on Synergy currently, so there is no custom kernel or anything in use.

Just a few thoughts.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skatrwannabe3:
+1. It's easy to screw up when you've been up all night downloading and flashing the newest versions of your favorite ROMs or desperately seeking the answers you need. No need to grab your torches once the first 14 people have cried "wrong section" (most of whom then offer advice afterward, enabling much?)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
I have a better question:

Why is it that someone felt it necessary to bump a post that clearly was ignored by everyone and put on the second or third page just to flame someone?

This thread went unnoticed with no replies for over an hour and yet someone felt that necessary.

That **** is just as bad as posting in the wrong section, if not worse.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reddyfire:
i have been a member of this forum for about a year now. and as you can tell i have very few posts. The ones i do are simply to say thanks to someone who made an awesome rom/kernel/etc. I spend most of the time searching for the answers im looking for. perhaps if you looked in the right section and researched a bit before you continuously flashed your phone you would know what is going on with it.

gotta love people that just jump of the cliff because the guy in front of did...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tropicalbrit:
Check out my sig, AOSP setup would probably help you with battery life. Current radios too
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muf454:
Can you elaborate on this a little? I don't necessarily wanna bump this thread, but being a Comp. Sci. major, this seems odd to me.. What does it mean for a kernel to 'set'?

Or are you talking about the collection of data for the accurate battery reading (batters stats)?