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[Thunderbolt General] Gunthermic:
1. IMO, there isnt enough moderating. we see nothing for a long time, and now there is tons of it. Everyoen of the moderators has a life, we all know that. But maybe there is not enough to control, expsecially when a new phone hits the market.. After it's been out a while then go down a moderator or two.

2. I think keeping the flaming down is one of the biggest things. regardless if the question has been asked 1 or 10,000 times. It's been asked, either answer it or move on.

3. We preach search to the users.. How many of you can use it day in and day out? Half the time it doesn't find stuff correctly. Of if not found you have to wait 30 seconds to query once again. Especially if you just have an idea, but not exact. Even I get frustrated with it. I cant tell home times I get a message that search is not available.. So if we preach for Noobs to use it, it has to work better..... otherwise they wont use it!

4. Another way to improve is to get the mods to actually answer PM's. It doesn't always happen.. they get ignored, deleted or what ever. Then the user starts a thread and that gets shut down. that is a visious cycle.. I even fell into that twice yesterday out of pure frustration..

This is not a rant, but things i see that can be improved upon to make all of our expierances better on XDA..

Thank you for listening...
[Thunderbolt General] fixxxer2008:
i know this place is falling apart quick, most of the devs have left now. chingy doesn't even want us posting the new radio leak but i just may, i won't let xda die. ;)
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
I don't think it's falling apart, short on cooks at the moment but there will always be others.
[Thunderbolt General] gujupmp88:
i dont post on here often, so my post count is low. that may make me a "noob"(never liked that word). i've been on android for awhile, on numerous forums. and what is constant on every forum is the

1. treatment of new members

2. use of the phrase "use the search button"

3. lack of reading the rules and stickies

what is the point of telling someone to use the search button? wouldn't it be more effective and cleaner just to answer the damn question instead of making stupid posts that try and "school" the noobs into using the search button? that doesn't make anything better, because no one will listen since you are telling them to essentially f off.

unfortunately, stickies are as useless as threads come. not many people read the rules and not many people read the stickies. if someone has a question, they head straight to the "make a thread" button.

with the rate that android is growing, xda and other forums are growing just as quickly. Forums are no longer dominated by the technically "elite". just as with android, it is being populated by the "normal" crowd. the people that don't know about rooting, the people that don't know technical stuff. the best and easiest way to make this place better is to be nicer. i know some people love to act like they are better than everyone behind the anonymity of the internet. that helps absolutely no one and makes this place so hostile that everyone feels that they need to be hostile.

i commend people that make help threads and long thorough step by step instructions. i've done it in the past. but what it comes down to is people don't like to read. so i dont think there is a simple way to make these forums a "better" place. but if the members as a whole stop flaming everyone and *****ing at every person for their phone not working or doing something, it'll slowly become better. and every new person that comes onto these forums should find a more acceptable environment, so they dont in turn flame and ***** about some other stuff.

one or 2 mods cannot do it, but we all have to collectively become nicer. and yes, that goes for the devs as well, even though they do more for the android community then most people are aware and thankful for.
[Thunderbolt General] michaelkahl:
I work in IT and know the stereotypes that come with it. Stereotypes are formed for a reason. Most of us are impatient and have a short fuse with users who refuse to read documentation or understand the basics of their equipment/software.

My assumption would be that there are a lot of forum members who fit this description. Not sure what the answer is. Perhaps a restructuring of the developer section could help. Sub-forums for registered devs to organize ROM posts, bug tracking posts, known issues/fixes posts and FAQ posts. Like others said, the search feature somewhat works but is horrific for a thread with thousands of replies.

Threads could be resricted to posts by the ROM dev team with the exception of the bug tracking/reporting thread.

Lastly, the Thanks button should also forward users to a donate page for devs only ;)
[Thunderbolt General] michaelkahl:
Another idea, a "kudos" thread were users report the positives of a ROM. Obviously this would fit in the "restructured" approach.
[Thunderbolt General] dhemke17:
I second this...there needs to definitely be more of a positive vibe in this forum. The Thunderbolt Dev section started with such optimism, but once too many devs got in the same place, the bickering began and everything has spiraled out of control, not at just the fault of the moderators, as some have said, but all our actions. Despite the hippie vibe this might give off, everyone needs to do a little more for other people, whether they be new members, or the most experienced developers. Developers deserve the respect for creating something great out of a generally mediocre phone, and if the dev feels like they have to post their rom for others to use, they can have the decency to take criticism and answer the "noob" questions, that is pretty much what the forum answer is about...to share what you know and can do, and learn stuff so you aren't so dependent on others, and to actually thank those for doing some crazy crap for these phones...

Sorry for the rant, but back to the suggestion for change...Since its not always practical to search and find everything in these forums, my best suggestion (and really gripe) about not just the thunderbolt forums, but the entire forum in general, is the search thread function. I feel if there is anything that could be done to make that more accurate, it would make less repeat threads/questions asked...

Or you could further categorize the dev section, into specific developer threads, and have each dev create a separate Q&A for their rom, this would ultimately keep the cat-fights to a minimum and have them watch over their own rom section

Knowing that these two modifications probably go way out of the scope here, I believe a little encouragement such as a kudos thread could go a long way, or at least its a step in the right direction.

- I like to see someone trying to get this "back to normalcy." keep up the good work...
[Thunderbolt General] orkillakilla:
I think the mods are doing a good job trying to keep this place in order. People have to think, they are doing this in their spare time. They have lives outside of XDA, so they can't spend all day searching for bad threads.

Anyways, to dhemke17's post, I completely agree with you about the search function (as I'm sure much of the community does) and XDA admins have actually address this concern in their "XDA Site Roadmap:

http://www.xda-developers.com/announcements/xda-site-roadmap/

I believe this will help a lot with keeping duplicate question threads to a minimum, which will hopefully keep the "noob" bashing to a minimum as well.

Also the "kudos" thread is an interesting concept and I would like to see how it would work out.
[Thunderbolt General] Carnage9270:
I think keeping the developers from being complete and utter douchbags would be a start as well. They bicker with each other within their own threads, call people morons etc., I've been on XDA since the Wallabe bootloader days...this place has expanded exponentially in the amount of phones, members and number of "holier-than-thou" people. But the complete lack of respect towards people has reached epic proportions. Yes even from the moderators. They too are getting out of hand.

Want it fixed, start from the top. Start with the moderators, get them all on the same page and working as a team. Some can be flat out rude. That shouldn't be tolerated. Then fix your developer attitudes. I know they do a lot for our community, but that doesn't give them the right to treat people like idiots.

Lastly there needs to be something within the registration process that makes people read the posting guidelines. If they cannot follow the guidelines (posting in wrong sections) then steps, clearly spelled out, should be taken. I.e., warning, suspension, ban.
[Thunderbolt General] Mustang302LX:
I see what you are saying but you can't get all devs to be nice to people. You have to remember some of them are teenagers and kind of immature. Yes they hook us all up and have some great work featured here and elsewhere but that doesn't change some of them just have bad people skills.

The issue with XDA and specifically the TBolt section is the rudeness. More moderation needs to be done (which is hard as the mods have lives obviously) and people need to be temp. banned or perm. banned for being outright dbags. Set the example on the offenders and the rest will see not to do the same and hopefully this place will get to be like other sub-forums. The Inspire forums was MUCH more of a friendly helpful place. I was shocked at the rudeness emanating from the TBolt forums from the first day I started reading about rooting prior to picking up my phone. Oh well hopefully you guys can make this place better or people will leave for other sites that are coming up in a big way.
[Thunderbolt General] fixxxer2008:
we have lost alot of devs here ryan and this isn't good for us tbolt users. i don't want to have to bookmark 5 different sites to go to for rom updates.
[Thunderbolt General] TheLoonyRebel:
Not just that but XDA has lost two of the most important ones as well as in Chingy and Team BAMF. That's a huge hole around here that simply can't be filled.
[Thunderbolt General] michaelkahl:
Don't, just go to rootzwiki. All of the ROM's and Kernels are there plus a few extra that I never saw on XDA. Chingy and Team BAMF are there as well. Not trying to be anti-xda, but it just makes sense to go there if you are looking for the developer presence.

This isn't dooms day for XDA, I, and I'm sure many others, have seen developers leave and drama brew. It's not the end of the world or the end of XDA.
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
I hear what everyone is saying about the developers who have left, i ran bamf as my daily driver and loved their work! The bottom line is they chose to leave xda. They never spoke up to mods and said a word about any problems they were having here they simply left. Every forum in the world has the same problems xda has its just the way it is. I can't sit here and dwell on the past, all I and xda can do is learn from it and try and improve each day, hence this thread being made. This is a developer site and is being flooded with off topic, noob posts like it has never before.

A few things I have taken from everyone so far is search function is poor, questions being asked over and over again and thanks posts are the biggest complaints. I will be deleting thanks posts as there is no need for them, that's what the thanks button is for! All off topic posts I find are deleted. Anti xda posts won't be tolerated and neither will flaming other members. New or improved stickies will go up as much as possible, a rollup thread is in the works that will put all need and requested info in one place for easier navigation through the section.

The mods have a gameplan going so not to worry, we are all United to make this place better for developers! They are the backbone of this site!

Despite what some members may think we aren't the devils we are made out to be, we are members like you who were made moderators cause we love xda and want it to be the best it can be.

Please keep the suggestions coming, i read every post and take every suggestion and complaint seriously.
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
As I've said many times, they chose to leave. They weren't forced out by xda it was a personal choice on THEIR part. It's unfortunate guys but all we can do is move on. Can't do much about you having to bookmark multiple sites.
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
Lets put this to rest right now cause its not constructive at all towards the goal of this thread. Bamf left the site by choice. I woke up and found advertisements in every thread and they were all closed. They said nothing to me or any mod here about any problems they were having here they simply left. 2 of the main people were bashing xda left and right. I then removed all advertising for their site, a site that requires registration to download is against xda rules. The 2 that were banned broke more than one forum rule. One member was issued a warning as it was his only rule broken. The bans came well after they left and had absolutely nothing to do with their site. I say again, NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SITE. That's the truth of what happened, people can spin it, name call, talk crap, leave or take sides but what I said above is what happened. Now back on topic, if you have constructive comments please add them, the rest will be deleted.
[Thunderbolt General] thatdudebutch:
Ryan, thanks for the PM other day. I had no clue that we could not link forums if they need registration to join! I have never had a problem with XDA staff per se, only the fact that there was a lack of moderation there. After weeding through tons of useless garbage to try and help the users that actually need something, it got to be too much, hence the opening of the site. I frequent XDA on a regular basis, but find it way easier to put all the ROMs in one place for users to ask questions, where I can clean things up myself.

Ryan - my next question is this. I would love to add links to the XDA site and vice versa. In order to fall in line with the ToS here, can I make the site open to guests, and then can cross promote here?

Also - I don't see why Adrynalyne was banned? He has done nothing but help members of XDA with ROMs, mods, and patches for their every need. I don't think any of us where aware that we could not post links to sites, as it is done extensively throughout this website. I would ask that you lift the ban not only due to Adrynalyne's standing with the XDA community, but for the sake of this section as well. If he was being "mean" to people, it was only because this is what we have dealt with her ever since the TB was released. Once users find out he was banned, it will look even worse on XDA as it would show that nobody is really even paying attention, lol.
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
Check your pm man : ) Yeah cross promote all you want man it's just the registration part that isn't allowed.
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
Rule 12. Using the work of others.

If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you. Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums. These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
[Thunderbolt General] yareally:
Maybe a seperate tech support sub forum that's more specific than general questions/answers that forces users to give specifications on their phone when they post (via text boxes). It's very hard to answer questions with some of the very vague answers that people give and forces you to play 20 questions just to help them.

For example:

Are you rooted?

If yes to above, what Rom and version are you currently using?

When did the problem first occur?

What steps have you taken so far to try to fix it?

etc.

More questions can be asked obviously, but that's just a start.
[Thunderbolt General] orkillakilla:
Definitely a good suggestion. I'm not sure about the implementation, but something for XDA to consider.
[Thunderbolt General] dhemke17:
Killer idea...besides the tech specific, people could either write it before their question or they fulfilled include at least their latest rom/ kernel in their signature to answer those questions. That would make the question they ask a simple when did it occur and what specifically happened vice the "my phone is rebooting/DC/ etc....more detailed question asking leads to more specific answers
[Off-topic] Athemoe:
Hi

I'm Athemoe and I'm kind of new to the smartphone scene.

I flashed my Galaxy 3 with Kyrillos 6.0 :)

My hobbies are listening to music, watching movies, hanging out with friends and gaming :)

My favourite food is spaghetti and I LOVE POLARBEARS.

So anyway, I just wanted to introduce myself.

And please don't mind my bad English :s

Love

Athe
[Off-topic] k0sh:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=961655

welcome to XDA
[Off-topic] Athemoe:
Sorry :s

I wanted to make a proper introduction.

Like it should be.
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
Silly noob, you don't make proper introductions by calling the Kings and Queens of the realm silly.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timjs:
Hello all,

My subscription to the xda-developers forums have been a one way "information stream", till now.

Offcourse it pleases me to (finally) have something of importance to share with all of you.

What i have found out is fairly and really plain simple.

I've seen a lot of postings about sd-card issues and overheating.

I personally bugged some of my sd-cards (and even sim-cards) because of this.

Secondly i assumed; well the sd-card is an external addon... what about the sim card??

i messured temperature distribution over the two "addon cards" (sim and sd)and surround hardware and i noticed that there is a wide-range of electrical impendace between different card combinations..(a combination of random choosen sim with a random choosen sd-card).

It looks to me that some combinations result in an electric impendance wich stresses the hardware and the cards it self, resulting in failures , overheating and or reboots.

My desire is fully functional with this knowledge applyed.

Reboots completely gone.. no overheating issues and no battery drain troubles.

(i have collected combinations who are not passing full boot, combinations who will not let me enter recovery, combinations who will function untill some wireless activity is generated.... etc.. etc)

The simcard and sd-card combination are to be further annalysed.. so it will result in a table of compatibility.

And for those who argue... but it always funtioned with my sim-card or sd card... i have to say;

it is an issue wich slowly but surely will overstress both of your cards (and or hardware).. and will continue to do so when you will not comply to the knowledge within this frame of reference.

Good luck.

Tim
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sakai4eva:
I am genuinely intrigued.

Mind sharing some of this data?

Also, any ideas on how to identify this problem? If we could nip this in the bud...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timjs:
I will share my findings, first off all i need to have a plan on how to identify the technical details of the sim cards used.

Then i need to get me some of those specific sim cards .

I am aware that (probably all) the cards i used are not free from wearing due to experimenting.

So when i am in possesion of new and untouched/unfryed cards i can make up a table.

I also noticed that when only using a sim card or only a sd-card those card should NOT warmup.

I also noticed that the hardware when not to heavily weared should sustain a (wifi/gps) stress test without any of the cards insert.

And finally the sim cards who surely will give troubles are those of the micro sim format (and i dont mean the size of the card it self)

Will be back soon.....duty calls

little edit.....

Not to forget.. it's all about electrical impendance.. so specific sim cards need to be used in combination with specific sd-cards. On how this relates to volltage tuning/regulation from within the kernel i am in the dark.

Its also true that one card can compensate for the other....

And least but also important... when hardware design is correct. .. .. ..
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sakai4eva:
I suspect that you might be on the right track. I'll keep an eye out on this.

You might just win the adoration/lulz of the entire XDA community :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] timjs:
I assume if there is interrest in this type of reflection on those issue's there will be more details comming out soon (if not by me then someone else will hijack this thought proccess with the best interest for all of us).

I can sense, in perspective to my last post, the descriptions i have given are to general to stricktly pinpoint the nail in the so called bud.

Realize that just a week of frustration about reboot's crashes and other failures on my wifes desire resulted in this little framework.

I am pleased with my findings so my wife can use her phone (you know the wife factor, right!?... it somehow stimulates!!)

And to be really honest, the temperature messures i did with my lips :P

The (prepaid) sim cards used where living in my deskdrawer without me knowing they were there.. till i found them... the sd-cards where not much different.

The phone has seen the fridge numerous times this week... to easilly spot the hot spots (with my lips).. and of course when flashing the numerous radio's wich actually doesnt matter at all.

thinking was done from a lazy chair.. in spare moments.

Also as soon i openend the phone i knew this was the point of no return. (it was still in full warrenty :P)

I know this is the right approach on this issue, because everyone can reprocude the reboot.. etc.. troubles... in respect of used sim card and or sd-card.

But when adjusting the sd-card on a random choosen sim card (or vice versa) will fix the issue.. makes me convinced this is how you and i and all of xda should approach this kind of issues.

ps..

I am now in the proccess of "killing" my HD2... to find out if i can make it fail and why...