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[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Bottom line:

-Adreno 220 is more capable

-Mali 400 is faster because HTC's drivers suck like always.

-Samsung is better at optimizing than HTC and has been proven over the last year. Don't argue here because you wont win. HTC has sucked with drivers since Windows Mobile.

-Exynos is a better CPU than the Sensations Quallcom.

-A better CPU is more important on a device where gaming is secondary to applications

-Tegra 3 will spank both of the mentioned CPU/GPU. If you haven't seen the video previewing the Tegra 3 then go watch it if you don't believe be it will blow the doors off the Adreno220 and Mali.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Do you not think Qualcomm will have better chips out by the time the Tegra 3 is out? I don't understand why you keep bringing up the Tegra 3 in this debate.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4170/qualcomms-announces-krait-cpu-the-successor-to-scorpion
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Once again, the amount of memory isn't the problem. Sense only uses about ~100 MB of RAM. It's the memory management that HTC implemented. It was fixed in an update.

http://www.sensation-devs.com/index.php/w4lth3r/378/leaked-1-35-update-review/
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
Somebody forget to tell the people still having stuttering issues and getting low memory warnings. And performance deteriorating over a period of days as reported would also indicate memory/management issues.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Update hasn't been rolled out in the US Sensation (T-Mobile is always slow with OTAs). I bet you the majority of the people complaining live in the US.
[HTC Sensation] jlevy73:
Sense 3.0 only uses 100mb of RAM? Not sure where that figure comes from because I just wiped my device, opened up quick settings and it's currently using 433MB out of a possible 558MB. On the SGS2 with over 100 apps installed, I have 486MB available out of 833MB.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
The task manager isn't accurate. Actual amount of free RAM is displayed under Running Services under application settings.
[HTC Sensation] jlevy73:
Thanks, that's better. Sensation = 187 used, 322 available

SGS2 = 184 used, 563 free
[HTC Sensation] GorillaPimp:
You can see how crazy memory mgmt is via dmesg too. So the OTA that's coming fixes that? Any US ETA?

edit*

read the link thx
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
It has been rolled out to European, Asian, and Canadian users. T-Mobile will probably take their sweet time rolling it out which is why HTC probably said our bootloader will be unlocked in September unlike the international Sensation which will be unlocked in August.
[HTC Sensation] shapiro1234567890:
The truth!!!

I know that most people using this thread already know this, but I'll recap it anyways. There are four main companies that build using Arms chips: Qualcomm, Nvidia, Go and Samsung. For some reason HTC really likes Qualcomm and have a really close relationship with them. They only make phones with Qualcomm chips. Their Sense is optimized for it or something like that. Out of the current, 2011 mobile CPU's, Qualcomm us the slowest. Even though it's clocked at 1.2 GHz and is dual core, it's slower than Nvidia and TI's offerings which are 200 mHZ slower EACH. Nvidia's Tegra 2 takes the next to slowest place, and although it is is Far ahead of Qualcomm, it is still far behind Ti and Samsung. You have to realize that that could all change with Kal-El. But for the now, that's how it is. Next in line is TI's OMAP4, which is far faster than the previous two, and but still is not quite Exynos. Samsung, for the 2nd generation in a row has the fastest CPU's. Their Exynos is absolutely insane! Nothing currently compares to it. I picked the Sensation because I LOVE Htc's sense UI. Much better than Touch Whiz, not to say that the latter is bad, but I but in my opinion, HTC does a better job with the software. That's why I think the Sensation is better. If you're going based on ray power, the Galaxy SII wins without a doubt, but I prefer overall experience, and that's why I have the Sensation.

By the way, I wrote this all I can my Sensation with SwiftKey X!!!
[HTC Sensation] Roenie82:
Lol... thanks for that recap though, quite helpful.
[HTC Sensation] UnFeX3:
Also the sensation scales everything up to 960x540 vs 800x480 of the sg2. So the sensation needs to calculate 35% more pixels.
[HTC Sensation] shapiro1234567890:
Even if u take 35% away from the GSII's 3500 quadrant score, it still beats the Sensation 1700.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
I have never seen the Sensation score that low. It's usually around 1900-2300. But if you think about it, that isn't very accurate. The Incredible S and the Desire HD score around 1600 to 1800 on a single core Scorpion clocked at 1 GHz. The Sensation has two Scorpions clocked 20% higher. If you do the math, the score should be much higher.

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
I hate to keep posting in this thread, but the MSM8x60 is arguably the fastest chip out right now and surely faster than the Tegra 2 and the OMAP4430. I don't know where you got your info from.

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I definitely want what you are smoking. Do you just make this stuff up or what. The MSM8x60 is only slightly faster than the single core processors based off of the A8.

We are just talking CPUs here and not GPUs. The OMAPs and Samsungs offerings have been and still are faster than any Qualcom offering in the past year.

Maybe its time for you to read some non biased material proving that the MSM8x60 is not that powerful of a chip and is based on the old A8 and not the new A9.

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...msm8660-12ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-processor/

Here is a article stating that any A9 based CPU will destroy any A8 based CPU.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2zuKNA/smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php%3F/topic/73-analysis-of-qualcomm-msm8x60-msm8260msm8660-12ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-processor/page__pid__86
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
I don't think you guys understand TouchWiz, and probably haven't seen 4.0. It's not a competitor to Sense - it's not intended to be. Sense is basically an integrated environment that replaces native Android functions and navigation. TW is nothing more than a launcher - just like any other launcher. Services like Social, Music, Reading, and Games are provided by hubs that sit outside of TW. Samsung provides their own apps for e-mail, messaging, music, and the camera, and all of them are aware of each other so there's integration between them. But, you can replace all of them with third party stuff and still maintain the integration. Sense is pretty much a closed environment. Use what HTC provides or get dumped back in to native Android. They are two totally different approaches. I've attached some pics so you can see what TW looks like after it's set up on a phone.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
More still... The e-mail and messaging clients and the Reader's Hub.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
Some more... The second two pics are the Social Hub
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
And more... The Gamers Hub, Music Hub, and Music Player
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I couldn't have said it any better myself. For that matter, I don't think anyone has ever explained it better. Nice job. I suppose I am one of the few who actually love Touch Wiz. It is a very light UI with a ton of integration that makes Android better. Touch Wiz is not intrusive like other UI's and in my opinion provides the best features without bogging down the system than any other UI. If you don't like the look of Touch Wiz then all you have to do is add a launcher and all of the integration/features are still there. I really don't understand why people hate TW when its the lightest UI on Android.
[HTC Sensation] Tom-Helge:
First of all, Galaxy S II is not overclocked to 1.2 GHz. That's the default speed before any overclock.

I can overclock my Galaxy S II to around 1.56 GHz stable.

And to the thing with benchmarking soft is not up to date for the sensation as you said. Why would it be all working good for the Galaxy S II then?

The fact here is that HTC have done a very poor job of optimizing the graphic drivers and that to the Sensation. And therefore, it's performing very bad compared to Galaxy S II in everything.

Have you ever heard about something called vertical sync?, and do you know what it does?

Ok, first of all, the Galaxy S II and HTC Sensation have vertical sync activated. And that means the GPU will create a whole picture and send it to the screen rather creating half and half pictures and sends it to the screen.

And by that, it means that 30 fps on a device that have vertical sync activated will need about the same performace as a device that shows 60 fps without vertical sync on.

So that means that if Galaxy S II have 30 fps in one game it will mean it will be as powerfull as 60 fps on another device with vertical sync off.

So that the LG Optimus 2X gets 75 fps in a game where Galaxy S II gets 60 fps, it doesn't mean the Tegra 2 in the Optimus 2X is more powerfull than the Galaxy S II.

Because the fact here is that the GPU in the Galaxy S II beats the crap out of the Tegra 2 GPU in the Optimus 2X phone.

Since if you had added vertical sync to the Optimus 2X, then the 75 fps would be halved. It would be at 37,5 fps then.

So by now, nothing beats the Mali-400 GPU in the Galaxy S II.

Download Electopia and run it on the Sensation. The nice thing with that test is that you can run it in the same resolution as the Galaxy S II have.

And when you do that, you can get around 22-23 fps in the Electopia test while i get 37-39 fps on my Galaxy S II at stock CPU speed.

So by that, the test gets 100% fair and it's a good way to compare the GPU performance.

On paper this is true. But what does that help when HTC does a freaking poor job on optimizing the drivers to get the full potentional out of the GPU?

But then i can ask this. Will HTC ever optimize the GPU drivers to let the GPU use it's full power?

Ehhhhmmm, i don't think so. And because of that, it's much safer to buy the Galaxy S II if you want to be 100% sure to have the best performance of any phones out in the market now.

Yeah, ONLY IF. And what makes you think that HTC ever will fix the GPU driver issues?

So just sit on your Sensation while it will never get any better performance than Galaxy S II.

LOL yeah, you can imagine as much as you like, because the GPU drivers will most likely never get updated. So please continue to fap over the specs on paper to the Adreno 220 GPU.

So it doesn't help on how good the Sensation specs are on paper when the Sensation is proven to be murdered by the Galaxy S II in pretty much everything.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Yes, the A9 will always be faster than the Scorpion at the same clockspeed but the MSM8x60 inside the Sensation is clocked 20% higher than the OMAP4430 and can easily be overclocked to 1.8 GHz which gives it a significant advantage over the 4430. The OMAP4460, on the other hand, is definitely faster than the MSM8x60. I don't just spew garbage from my mouth, I read info from a bunch of sources and formulate my opinion.

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
The adreno 220 isn't faster than the quad core MALI-400, not even on paper. Did you know that even a single core at 267mhz achieves speeds nearly as fast as the Tegra2's ULP ? The only gpu that comes close to the quad core MALI-400 in terms of performances

is the powervr SGX543 MP2 (dual core) the others aren't even a competition right now.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
You said the MSM8x60 was the fastest chip available right now and that simply isn't true. I would love to know how you came to this conclusion? I don't care about what the performance is going to be or what it is when its overclocked. I care about the stock performance at the same clock speed. The only way to figure out which CPU is more powerful or more efficient than another is running them at the same clock speeds. Anyone can overclock a processor and make it faster than the other one but that wouldn't be a fair match if one was running at 1.8 and the other at 1.2.
[HTC Sensation] Tom-Helge:
Hmmm, you might be right about that. So i have to look more into that then.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
I never said fastest. I said arguably the fastest. The Exynos is obviously more optimized and faster at the moment. Even if you consider 1.8 GHz unfair, the stock speed of the MSM8x60 is 1.5 GHz and has been underclocked by HTC. The stock speed of the OMAP4430 is 1 GHz. I'm not comparing the phones, I'm comparing the chips. The power of the MSM8x60 has already been demonstrated by the Qualcomm MDP.

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
The number of cores doesn't really matter. We don't even know how many cores Samsung has active in the Exynos. Besides, the GeForce ULP technically has 8 cores.

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] Jasonhunterx:
The fact is Samsung just does it better than any other we wouldn't be having this conversation if they stuck with powervr those are the best my sgs has gpu accelerated browser an it's butter an I also play tegra 2 games Samsung all day :P
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Ya, not sure why they didn't use the PowerVR SGX543MP2. Definitely the best GPU on the market and blows away the competition.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
Somebody used a car analogy earlier and there's another one that's appropriate here. Horsepower is measured two different ways, on the block and at the wheels. Block HP is just that, attached to a block in a shop, the raw HP of the engine is measured. Wheel HP is what's actually delivered to the ground and what impacts the car's performance. Wheel HP is always lower because of drivetrain drag. So two manufacturers that use a 500 block HP engine can have very different wheel HP ratings. The type and tuning of transmission, differential, axles, etc., make a huge difference. All this debate over theoretic performance of CPU's and GPU's is irrelevant. What's available to the user is the only thing that matters. Samsung's done a much better job of getting "HP to the wheels" in the SGS2 than HTC has done with the Sensation. And it shows in reviews, benchmarks and people's comments about their everyday use.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Wow...Good anology however I'm sure someone will still try and argue that just because they can't admit there wrong. Your also right about it showing g in reviews. I have heard countless reviews state that the SGSII is the quickest and best Android device ever made. Multiple blogs have stated the GSII has set the bar for Android devices but I haven't heard anyone say the Sensation set the bar. Whether it has the most powerful GPU or CPU is irrelevant. If I'm not seeing the power then its no good to me or anyone else. There is a reason the GSII will become the best selling Android device to date.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Yeah, I definitely can't deny that.

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] Morsolo:
I'd agree. I have the Sensation and I will admit that the GS2 does have the raw power (and better speed in day-to-day use). However, there isn't really a gap wide enough to make an impact in day-to-day use. The only thing that does impact my productivity is Sense doesn't seem to like to stay in memory, so it always reboots, which wastes a good few seconds of my time. But, that can be fixed (either with a Sense update, or CM7, haha)

Continuing with the car analogies...

A GS2 is like a Holden Monaro (Pontiac GTO for Americans, or Vauxhall VXR for Brits)... It has power and looks nice, but does feel a bit on the cheap side, everything is made of plastic and the software isn't exactly the best (in form, or functionality).

The Sensation is like a BMW. It's a bit slower, but it looks much more "professional" and is definitely more well built. When you open the door, you feel like you're opening a chunk of solid steel. When you sit in it, you're surrounded by leather and stylish things. The software in the car is well defined and has great form and functionality, but perhaps might be too much for some.

I think that's a near-perfect analogy. :)
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to find both devices look good in there own way. Also, bow isn't the GSII software the best? It sure as hell runs the best and takes a minimalist approach instead of adding useless eye candy. I'd rather take function over form any day of the week. Back in the Behold II days I would agree that the TW sucked. Every version after that has gotten better and better with less intrusion. Don't we hardcore fandroids want less intrusion? Hell, most of us want vanilla. I don't need rewriting Android to make it more user friendly. In fact, I wish Sense was more of a launcher just like TW.
[HTC Sensation] varem:
I'm a Galaxy fanboy :p

Fasty Captivate
[HTC Sensation] Morsolo:
Of course it's subjective, hence why some people opt for the Holden/Pontiac/Vauxhall over a BMW despite the same price point. I never said the SGS2 looked bad, in fact, I said it looked good.

I personally don't like TouchWiz. I haven't spent too long on it, so perhaps I'm just conditioned to Sense (even though I like GoLauncher). But, there's just something about it...

No... In retrospect, it's not Sense... It's the widgets. Contacts, Dialer, the overall feel, can be done in almost any other launcher (TW included)... But that Agenda widget... Man. I love that thing. :(

...Hmmm, I'm being a hypocrite.

But: I still prefer the build quality of the Sensation; and the resolution is a MASSIVE 1-up on the GS2.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I know you never said the GSII looked bad. That's exactly why I didn't quote you and someone else :-)
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
I think it's a horrible analogy. The Monaro is downright crude. The design of the SGS2 is by no means low-end. Everyone *****es about the plastic but the phone's so thin and has a chrome edge that wraps around its body that you wouldn't know what it's made of. The front is entirely black from edge-to-edge. Because of SAMOLED and GB, the display melts in to the face of the phone - you can't tell where the display ends and the phone begins. The textured back provides a high-tech look. If you grab both sides of the phone and try to twist it, there's no bend or flex at all. I can get some people being put off by the the thinness that makes it feel frail (it isn't) and it's minimalist design, but it doesn't in anyway feel cheap or poorly made.

I think you shot a little high with your luxury description of the Sensation. I used one on Vodafone for a full day while I was in the UK. It has a very solid feel, I liked the bigger but narrower screen, and the uni-body design (not a fan of the tri-color though). The one I used was an IT demo phone and the back was discolored from use, the on/off switch was crooked, and it creaked. Don't misunderstand, there was much more to like than dislike but it didn't evoke the craftsmanship you used in your analogy.

I won't compare the user interfaces because they're apples and oranges. I used Sense in the WinMo days and I liked it then and I still like it. I'll say this though, Sense (Manila) was originally created to hide the abomination that was WinMo and made an almost unusable OS cool. Android in not WinMo and doesn't need to be hidden to be appreciated. Everyone that goes off on TW may as well be going off on Android as TW is just another launcher and doesn't change the Android "feel" of the phone. Coming from two vanilla phones, the G2 and G2X, I like the way Android works and the ability to pick and choose my core apps. I can still do that with TW and its part of the user experience not outside of it. I totally get why some people prefer Sense, it's like an automatic vs. a stick, everything's done for you, but that doesn't make everything that's not Sense bad, just different. And if Sense was that "killer app" HTC's market share would be higher and we'd be seeing press releases about it selling 6MM units in three months so it would appear not everybody appreciates Sense equally.

If you put the same AOSP ROM on both the Sensation and SGS2 the whole TW vs. Sense issue is gone. You'd be picking which physical design you like better and qHD vs. SAMOLED. Yet to be proven is whether an AOSP ROM can help the Sensation get more out of its hardware. If it can, then you're back to looks and display. If it can't then your potentially picking looks and display over performance. I liked the Sensation and if I had to be on T-Mobile it's the phone I'd pick right now. But based on my (and only my) expectations I'm happier with the SGS2.
[HTC Sensation] Macklessdaddy:
give the chichitek battery a try,huge difference.
[HTC Sensation] NoSubstitute:
I hadn't heard of that.

Please, can I have a link to, preferably official, information about this?

Thank you.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
Do you mean the death grip?

http://www.nordichardware.se/testla...are-med-hoeg-upploesning.html?start=8#content
[HTC Sensation] Sergio76:
Galaxy s2 is winner by far. Faster in anyways the reason we buy HTC devices is sense no point getting a HTC device if you will not be using sense.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I don't care for Sense one bit. I loaded ADW onto my Sensation 1 month ago and haven't looked back. ADW makes the Sensations UI as faster as my G2X's UI and the GSII UI. A phone UI really can't get any faster. Everything is pretty much instant now.
[HTC Sensation] |ErosizeD|:
Maybe for now, just wait a bit...

Adreno220 is powerfull than Mali400.

And QSD8260 Have more features and more Frequency than Exynos.

Even if SGSII have more ram, WTF 1GB of ram... unless with the 768Mb is more than nesesary.

How i say, just wait :rolleyes:

PD: Forgive my bad english
[HTC Sensation] mazinya:
i have my sensation for less than a week, and so far (knock on wood) i experience no lag and no death grip. hope it stays like that although most issues starts to pop up after week-month
[HTC Sensation] :
No idea why is this thread still running.. Both are nice phones and sure nobody would be disappointed with either of them. It's been 2/3 months since they were released. Sure there have been countless number of reviews (Anandtech's GS2 review is still pending). Just choose your poison and be happy with it.

Sad part is that, I am now bumping this thread to the top of the list again :(
[HTC Sensation] Sergio76:
Yes I know once i put my coredroid build on it will be amazing my ROM is waiting and i just can't hold any longer I'm dying here lol.

Till then i have to get my desire hd to give me all the love I need ....
[HTC Sensation] jony013:
hi, we all know both are great but this thread is about the hardware. which hardware is better. Myself switch again from sensation to sgs2. but so what? sensation's hardware is better.
[HTC Sensation] Kot Vaska:
Also HTC specializes in smartphones, whereas for Samsung phones are a tiny side project. A priori that means HTC's phones are better.
[HTC Sensation] vinas1:
None of these phones are running the exact same software. So all of the benchmarks in the world will not prove a damn thing.

If you are sick of SAMOLED displays you will most likely pick the sensation or the evo 3d. Other than that if you like raw horse power then the Sensation is the clear winner here. But to be fair, there really aren't any losers. It's just that the Sensations hardware is technically superior in terms of raw speed and capability. Samsung is very good at customizing their equipment, so the delivery of the SGS2 is excellent and no wonder why people love the phone. It is a responsive and well polished piece of equipment, but again it comes down to personal preference. Enough of this penis envy over these cheap phones already. All of the dual core phones are beasts.