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[HTC Sensation] moto211:
I decided to go with the sensation over a tegra 2 or other dual core A9 processor based phone for a couple of reasons. Raw power was not one of them. First and foremost, it is the only thing currently available from my provider of preference, T-Mobile (not counting the g2x as we don't know when or if that will be available again). Second, the asynchronous dual core A8 of the sensation makes better use of the battery than the synchronous dual core A9's by scaling the cores independently. As applications start demanding more processing power, I want to know that my phone can efficiently manage my processor/battery usage. Third, I need a phone that will go the distance between upgrades and with its semi-unibody construction, the sensation seems like it will fit the bill. I upgrade at least annually, but I don't retire my phones when I upgrade, they get passed on to my wife. So, my devices need to last a full two years. After having briefly owned a Vibrant and seeing that the SGSII uses similar design, I don't have a lot of faith that those devices can go the distance. On the other hand, after having owned a nexus one and seeing that the design of the sensation is very similar, I have full faith in their ability to go the distance.

So raw numbers and fluidity of user experience might not be the absolute best on the sensation, but they're good enough for me. And with it meeting or exceeding all of my other expectations, it seemed like the obvious choice.
[HTC Sensation] zim2dive:
that depends on your comparison criteria... if I read the quote correctly..

a) at the same clock speed.. it is slower (longer pipeline).. (but will also be using less power)

b) BUT... at the same power level, it will be faster... (ie. it can run 1.5 GHz and use the same power as the competition needs just to run at 1.2GHz.. those #'s are fabricated just to make the example)

ergo.. for the same battery consumption, Scorpion will be faster.
[HTC Sensation] Triune:
Not even close. Sorry. I have the Sensation but the SGS2 that I played with was a way better phone. The only thing I couldn't test was battery life. Other than that, the only thing the Sensation was better at imo was the build. Samsung uses a lot of plastic as we all know. Other than that, phone smashes the Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] Utking:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1168707

People over here is using it at 1,5ghz and still have better battery than 1,2ghz :)
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I still have my Vibrant and its now over a year old. It has been dropped more times than I can remember, its been through atleast 30-50 house fires and even came out wet sometimes and its still ticking. While Samsung devices feel fragile, I can assure you that the plastic is tough and so is the build quality. How many other people can say there phone has been through almost 50 fires? For the record, I had to get me Nexus One replaced after the 3rd fire it was in because water got in under the display. As you can imagine, you get pretty wet when you throw around thousands of gallons of water.
[HTC Sensation] Jasonhunterx:
1+ I've gone down a hill an dropped my vibrant no scratches on screen only chips on chrome there durable idc what no one says
[HTC Sensation] Cammiesoul:
Could we please stop posting about the SGS2? I came to the Sensation forums to talk about the Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] rockerode:
Agreed. We can discuss Sensation vs GSII when ICS comes out and dual core is fully useable with phones. Until then, we have to deal with what we have.
[HTC Sensation] bonebeatz1234:
Amen to that plus that phone ain't available here yet and when it arrived something better will come out . Its a never ending cycle of this phone better than yours junk .I love my sensation so that sgs2 can kick rocks .
[HTC Sensation] bluemoon737:
Plus there is some anecdotal evidence that the US version of the SGSII will NOT have the same chipset as the currently available international version. :confused:
[HTC Sensation] BrollyG4:
i think sgs2 is the best android phone till now...
[HTC Sensation] chisleu:
blah. need CM7. and to the guy that said it would take months... pppppppppphhhhhhhhhhh

I will be booting CM7 in a week.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
I guess. The great thing about Scorpion is about how easy it is to overclock.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Guys, at first discussion looks very constructive, but if you have a look at the bigger picture it's "Sensation vs SGS2" AGAIN! Haven't you had enough of it yet? I have.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
HTC said the unlock wont come until End of August/September (There's 1-2 months right there. How long do you think it will take to get a fully working CM? Surely not days. There you go...It will be months.
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
Another thread created by a sensation owner to justify their purchase?

PASSSSSS
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Yup.....I own a Sensation and even think so. I went through this over in the G2X thread when everyone was saying there device was better than the Sensation. Nothing I hate more when people who are stuck with a phone for a year or two try and justify there purchase. It really does get old.
[HTC Sensation] xakarix84:
i hope htc really can feel the pain they cause to their customer by locking their phone while they can't optimize their phone to work better, take months to unlock, another few months to CM7, and it's X'mas or 2012 new monster coming already.
[HTC Sensation] ancola66:
I thought so too, wait until August and we talk with S2:D
[HTC Sensation] jony013:
one thing is clear, Android 2.3.3 can't handle HTC Sensation. The best for 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 is Galaxys2, For Ice Cream........We will see..........But for sure not the SGS2.
[HTC Sensation] Triune:
No we won't. We'll talk about what we want to talk about.
[HTC Sensation] Kot Vaska:
Don't forget that S2's GPU is ways slower and less powerful than Adreno 220.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Debatable. The Mali-400 is pretty powerful as well.
[HTC Sensation] Kot Vaska:
Benchmark 1.03

Total Graphics Score:

Sensation: 63

S2: 28 (or 38, can't remember clearly)

How is this debatable?
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Because other benchmarks have the Mali 400 ahead of the Adreno 220?
[HTC Sensation] Kot Vaska:
I dunno, if one GPU is clearly superior as shown in the specs and then one benchmark also proves that, I'm going to take that one over any other which show the opposite (that just means the "correct" benchmark is able to fully utilize and test the GPU and the other can't)

Also Adreno 220 is cutting-edge in mobile technologuy while S2 features 2008 year GPU hardware.
[HTC Sensation] arzbhatia:
It can be that while benchmarking, only one processor is being benchmarked as the other half is taken over by HTC Sense. We'll know the true answer after flashing a non-sense custom ROM once S-OFF is achieved.
[HTC Sensation] henrik.dk:
But I guess everyone knows that the prices of gsii is higher than sensation.

I am sensation owner. Given all the trouble I have, I will go for gsii.

At least the tablet I am going to buy is galaxy.
[HTC Sensation] H377:
I own both, SGSII and Sensation.

I loved HTC because of the Sense UI. But this version of it is laggy. Same speed that had on my Desire with a ported Pyramid ROM. This is ridiculous.

And not talking about the free amount of RAM.

Hopefully HTC will release a better ROM version.

And both cost the same here in Hungary.
[HTC Sensation] suhaimidee:
Somehow i think its not true, here in SGP with same contract and as a newly arrived GSII goes a hundred dollars cheaper than Sensation. Iww is that so?? Same goes if you buy it without contract..GSII selling cheaper. I didnt say cheap is not good.
[HTC Sensation] AcidDrid:
Hi. I have had two Galaxy s2, Both returned.

The g2 is fast, very fast but the wlan and mobiledata comunication is ****. I keept loosing datacoms on my way to work, at home i had low wlansignal, G2 dident switch automaticly between my two ap's.

Got myself a HTC, and no trubble at all.

So i couldent care less what speed the G2 has, the device is useless as anything else than a "game n watch".
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
1, Does every single one of them have this issue?

2, Is it a wide spread bug like the Sensations touch screen issues, WiFi deathgrip and dust under the display?

3, Is the issue few and far between?
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I would take all current benchmark scores with a grain of salt. I think every single one of them is buggy at this point with the induction of dual core processors spanning over 3 different chipsets. Some benchmarks will favor one chipset while another favors a different one. I really don't think anyone's dual core device is being fully utalized by the tests. Take a look at the recent benchmark Quallcom just released. Over in the G2X forum, some people are reporting scores of 700 and others almost 3000. I don't know, just my two cents.

By the way, since I don't rely on benchmarks. I go by real world use and as of right now, TouchWiz on the GSII runs much smoother than Sense on the Sensation. The GSII browser also loads most pages faster and HD flash content plays smoother. I know our CPU/GPU is capable of more power but when you think about it, the Sensation is just HTC same old same old. They yet again released a device with piss poor drivers that ultimately gimp the phone.
[HTC Sensation] AcidDrid:
1. I only had two, (that's one to many in my opinion).

2.

3. On the two sg2 i had it was constantly.

Sure, i could have gotten the only 2 Samsung g2's with this problem. But still that's where i get my impression from and that was enough to not get a third.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I only ask because I feel that this is the norm now with smart phones. I had to return 3 G2X's and 3 Sensations in order to get bug free devices. In my eyes its just a matter of luck and it shouldn't be when purchasing a phone that costs over $500. These manufacturers need to stop rushing there products to the street without putting them through rigorous field testing. I find it hard to believe that the WiFi deathgrip issue in lanndscape mode didn't show up during testing but HTC just went ahead and released it anyway instead of redesigning the back plate.
[HTC Sensation] AcidDrid:
Yes, i agree.

We are the bugtesters, and if we are lucky there will be a patch fixing some of the issues.
[HTC Sensation] jony013:
Agreed, But if everything is 100% pure then I may not replying you or you may not comments. Ha ha ha. But your are right.
[HTC Sensation] Matt1408:
GS2 is going to be out tomorrow in Canada (single location in Toronto only). Maybe some of you can finally stop your complaining/comparing.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
2. The SGS2 is sold around the world and users in some countries, especially those whose carriers are using older or funky network technology, have had difficulty connecting and/or battery drain because of the connection. Each of the four updates has improved connectivity. Australia and the Arab countries along with some of the smaller telco's are the ones experiencing the issue most. No one on AT&T has had a problem (except when AT&T

is

the problem). For what it's worth, there are people on the SGS2 board that came from the Sensation citing the exact same problem in reverse. The SGS2 uses fast dormancy as a default which many older networks don't handle the way they are supposed to if they don't support it. Disabling fast dormancy cleared up a large number of issues for users whose networks couldn't deal with it.

3. I'd guess the percentage of people affected are in the single digit percentages. And it's not random, everyone on the same network experiences the exact some problem. The Arab countries were fixed two updates ago and Australians are using new APNs now that the phone has officially launched there.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
The current prices for dual-core phones in the UK:

E3D = 435 GBP

SGS2 = 390 GBP

Atrix = 370 GBP

Sensation = 365 GBP

O2X = 295 GBP
[HTC Sensation] henrik.dk:
It is even cheaper than atrix. That seems to be odd. I never consider

atrix as an option.
[HTC Sensation] s1mpd1ddy:
just trolling.. atrix FINALLY got unlocked bootloader and we're starting to see some ROMS --- if you get tired of your Sensation -- plenty of room in the Atrix forums! :)
[HTC Sensation] *damo*:
I got mine for 330 :D

HTC Swyped from my Sensation using XDA Premium
[HTC Sensation] jriv:
This thread is to funny why does everyone care if they have the best phone out I mean all dual core phones are fast even my wife's g2 is fast when oc'd so why does it matter.there is no need to stand up for your phone. I love my g2x and it does everything I want so I see no need in comparing it to other devices. there all awesome devices and lets just be happy android has advanced this far since the g1 days. This is like a pissing in the wind contest lol

sent from a guy living in a van down by the river
[HTC Sensation] jony013:
We are happy and thats why we are talking. This thread is the result of what people talking in the SGS2 forum. They are every funnier. Why not we become funny.
[HTC Sensation] gerryjoson:
I couldn't care less whether the sensation is faster than the Galaxy SII [which from what I've seen, it isn't], what I do care about is that it is laggier and slower than my Desire HD I replaced with the sensation.

The video recording is a lot better and that's it, I'm personally very disappointed with the speed in general, great device otherwise, but then so was the HD
[HTC Sensation] appelflap:
High resolution was a deal breaker for me. Compare the amount of text of the subject lines you get in a gmail message list to any other 480x800 resolution device and one should be sold immediately. This is also the case in many other apps.

First time I don't need to change the density on a Android phone. :p
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
You don't even know what you are talking about, the Mali-400 isn't 2008 technology, did you even know it is actually a quad core gpu ? I guess not. qualcomm who happens, to produce the adreno 220 claiming that their GPU outperforms the competition doesn't mean that it's true, in most benchmarks the MALI performs better than the adreno 220, in facts qualcomm isn't known for producing efficient GPU, the adreno 200 I had on my nexus one was utter crap when it comes to real life performances.

Qualcomm is basically the company vendors go to when they want to ship in an inexpensive SOC into their products. Deal with it, it's also one of the reason qualcomm's drivers for their SOC, (purchased and used by HTC) are far from refined.

The SGS2 is just a far superior product when it comes to actual performances, just as products based on the Kal-el SOC will outperform the Exynos in the future. There is no point in burring your head in the sands just so you justify your investment. The Sensation does have pros over the SGS2, performances isn't one of those.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
This Sensation owner agrees with you since I don't need to justify any purchase. I will buy a SGSII variant once T-mobile gets one. Your right about Qialcomm being the generic vendor.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
So your saying the Desire HD is faster than the GSII? Funny stuff. By the way, if you load ADW onto your Sensation it will feel like a dual core device and the UI will be faster than the Desire. Sense sucks anyway. Every other aspect like loading apps, using maps and browsing the web has always been faster than the Desire. If yours isn't then you have a bad Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Ha, poll, funny..... post same poll in SGS2 forum and then compare results :D

Guys, this is so f*** pointless. Get a life and enjoy the phone.
[HTC Sensation] Success100:
i dont own either but have played with both and watched a ton of videos. You can say that the Andreno 220 is more powerful. But put both next to eachother and you will see that the s2 has a CLEAR speed advantage. I love HTC and Sammy phones, so Im not biased either way

again I say, what good is new technology if it is not IMPLEMENTED well. HTC has suffered from poor driver implementation since the old windows mobile days. Sensation may have on paper a better cpu/gpu combo on PAPER, but again, real world usage is what matters. The s2 blows it away in usage.

totally agreed, benchmarks mean nothing..you can tell me all day that a car has 700hp but if it gets the power to the ground poorly, as has a tranny that cant handle it, then what good is it

either way, both phones are great, one is geared towards speed and has a gorgeous display and great optics, the other is geared to be a better built phone, with a higher res display, but a much more refined overlay on top of GB. Personally I prefer the s2, but its got its fair share of issues. I dont think you can go wrong with either
[HTC Sensation] zim2dive:
According to some of these ppl your wee-wee will fall off if you pick the wrong phone :D
[HTC Sensation] jony013:
I know there is no point...but should we always find point??!! we are having fun dear.
[HTC Sensation] jony013:
You are wrong. The main thing is, android 2.3.3 can fully utilize the power of mail400 or the processor power of sgs2, but for sensation processor or graphics is not fully compatible with 2.3.3. this is the main cause of slow or something low benchmark result. Remember always in 2.3.3 sensation working with one core. the other core is not utilized. Try Vellamo benchmark. the only benchmarking apps that utilize both cores. Try and you will see the mark of sgs2 is truly lower than sensation.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
You keep believing that. 2.3.4 does nothing in terms of processor management, it's a point update to 2.3. Maybe 3.X will be better optimized for dual-cores but that's at least 9 months away or more. And if Nvidia and Samsung could figure out how to maximize the performance of their dual-core chips on 2.X, why couldn't HTC?
[HTC Sensation] The Radius Kid:
Dayam!!!!!

That's where it went.

Apparently your e-peeny gets bigger though.:eek:
[HTC Sensation] Paging Dr B:
Because i'm bored like the rest of you in this thread.

This thread is full of win. And since it's not really going anywhere I thought I'd share that I'm excited to see the new Muppets movie. Jason Segel + Amy Adams + Kermit the Frog = Awesome.

Also, Xbox is better than PS3. Mazda is better than Toyota. Nikon is better than Canon. Those are my my 100% totally biased opinions which are not fact unless proven by the wizards at iFixit. No I don't think this phone is more powerful than the SGS2. I like some aspects of the Sensation, and some of the SGS2.

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Your mileage may vary. Actual screens have been simulated for advertising purposes. But lastly, try our new unlimited* plan.

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[HTC Sensation] Success100:
Lmaoooooo that's some funny ****!!!!
[HTC Sensation] Kot Vaska:
In your dreams. Actually it is and is twice as slow than Adreno 220.

Here's for you to read:

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-adreno-220-gpu/

I even went as far as to quote some for you:

So it is 2008 technology.

And Benchmark 1.03 actually proves that. Also Mali-400 is less powerful than Tegra 2 and Adreno 220 is 2x faster than Tegra 2.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
It was developed starting 2008 it took several years to make, you don't design a GPU in one day.

Also that is one benchmark among many, one of the only few where the MALI	400 actually does fall behind the adreno 220. (there are lots of others that display opposite results) That does not make it an accurate benchmark, I could also argue that because the SGS2 beats the sensation in Quadrant, it is faster, except that Quadrand isn't accurate and that the SGS2 gets most of its results from the IO speed.

Truth is as soon as you use anything graphically intensive enough to get the sgs2 below its 60fps cap, the sensation falls behind. You could argue that the issue might be driver related, and for all we know, it might be, but there is nothing to prove the contrary, besides, even if it was, to the end user there is no difference between an outstanding gpu with crappy drivers and a crappy gpu, in the end he is gonna get bad results.

At least the MALI has proven it is fast and doesn't suffer from a bad implementation, I don't need qualcomm's spec sheets to convince myself how good the gpu actually is.
[HTC Sensation] Kot Vaska:
mathieulh, Samsung fanboys would happily turn things upside down and twist the facts to prove that their toy is king of the hill.

Soon you’ll besaying that 800×480 is better than 960×540, cheap plastics is better than metal, iOS is a ripoff of TouchWiz, and iPhone was "inspired" byS2.

The only field where S2 clearly beats Sensation is the screen technology (Super AMOLED Plus).
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
The sensation has its pros, better design, better audio, better radio overall not to mention that although I do prefer the samoled+ to the sensation's SLCD, I do feel that the technology was rushed and suffers from small manufacturing defects in a lot of handsets, but the Exynos both cpu and gpu wise is not only definitely faster but gets a better software implementation from samsung than the crappy qualcomm drivers HTC purchased for its adreno 220 SOC. If you can't see that much, then you are just blind. I am not a samsung fanboy, I am someone realistic who can see facts lying in front of him. The Sensation is not a bad phone, it's one of the best android handset out there, it just doesn't get close to the SGS2 in terms of actual performances, the SGS2 has its cons too, although it also is a very good phone, both the sensation and the SGS2 have their own sets of perks and cons, then it falls to a matter of usages and personal preferences.
[HTC Sensation] gerryjoson:
I did't say the desire HD was faster than the GsII, I said it's faster than my Sensation except for video recording, have tried two of them and they were the same.

Having underperforming devices with qualcomm, shells, drivers is nothing new to HTC, hopefully they can do something to address it's sluggish performance, history has shown us they won't though.
[HTC Sensation] Success100:
Precisely. Yall can sit here and tell me the adreno 220 can whoop the mali400 all you want to...but that's all irrelevant, benchmarks...all that ****..straight IRRELEVANT if in REAL WORLD USAGE.. It cant beat something its SUPPOSEDLY faster than. And everyone in this forum knows if put the s2 vs the sensation...the s2 will in spank it in every PERFORMANCE test. Not talking about benchmarks...im talking about speed tests...launch times..video playback, scrolling, page rendering, image rendering..all that. The last guy who said the only way the s2 was better was the screen, is smoking that ****.. This isnt a pissing match here. Not fanboyism.. Each phone has it's strengths and weaknesses, but Performancewise we ALL know which one reigns supreme..No matter what the specs say..if you still question it...watch all the videos..or even better get both in hand and see which one has the CLEAR performance advantage