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[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
Why do u keep buying android phones if all u do is hate on them. I'm taking a guess here. Ur rough on ur phones and ur on ur mommy's plan and she likes so

Print and their service. Im sure when u grow up and become a big boy u can go off to another service and get ur own phone. Maybe even an iPhone.

Why the vulgar language? Hmmm let see....all I see u post is negative things about sprint and android. Tired of seeing u post ur fanboy crap. Tired of seeing u post in the evo section when u own a nexus. Also been in enough arguments to know ur ignorant ass wont listen anyways. Its ok I'm really done arguing with a 15 year old brat anyways.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I do have a iPhone 4, which also means that I have a secondary account (ATT). Unlike you I'm not blinded by limitations.

I've complained about poor data speeds with Sprint and guess what? They came dead last in the latest speed tests. My complaints on Android are legitimate, I also complain about iOS. Obviously not here since it wouldn't make sense. But just because I don't like certain things about Android doesn't mean I jate everything, otherwise why have multiple Android phones at all? But of course you're too blinded by your bias to realize that.

The real problem is your inability to see reality.
[EVO 4G General] Android 17:
I'm really not trying to insult you here, but why is it that nearly on every thread you post, you clearly seem to play devil's advocate?

Is it just a hobby or a love of yours? I don't think you mean to, and I've read a good bit of your posts, and some are perfectly logical and to the point, but I can understand why some people might think you're trolling.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Oh and just FYI, my parent is a reason why I have Sprint. Except that I pay for the entire Sprint bill in addition to my own ATT bill. I'm sure when youre actually good at something and become a real man, you'll be able to do things like that.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Its tempting to play devils advocate when you run into a thread filled with a bunch of biased, misinformed people. And to me its perplexing. I buy stuff just because of specific value. Others seem to be stuck on brands and identity.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
true.

In any case, any piece of technology we're using contains countless licenses to make it as final product.

take the most basic: Ethernet, we all have that in our computers.

realtek, broadcom, apple, dlink etc, all have been sued and rightly so.

if apple or whoever uses the technology of others, they gotta pay. it is not a "given" as some wish it'd be.

Companies do try to come up with alternatives BECAUSE of licenses/patents, blurray vs HDDVD, USB vs firewire, etc.

I truly believe it actually encourages new development, new technology to be researched for the benefit of all.

gif, mp3, lzw (all i remember from way back when).

even linux vs unix (sco etc). you can't just copy stuff that have been patented and expect the patent holder to then just come up with new technology only to be ripped off again.

macbook pros for example don't have bluray, a portion of the reason is due to licensing, it is not up to apple to SIMPLY buy a bunch of BD player and put them in their laptop. they do have to have a license and right to use the codecs etc.

again i would blame everything on the patent process, not the companies that actually enforce their intellectual property and invention.

if something is too vague or ridiculous like the 1 click payment from amazon, or shopping cart (if i remember correctly). this is way too vague. this should be rejected plain and simple, and if anything, if it gets brought up to court, the judge has to make the right decision.

Hate Apple all you want, but this thread about HTC vs Apple actually makes sense and if you were a developer and found something new that did not exist, you will come to a point where you have to make a decision:

do i give it all for free, public domain.

or

you license it as it may simply be your retirement.

Either is great, but you, as the inventor gets to decide.

If the project you worked on was actually funded by the company you work for, for let's say 1 to 2 million dollars, i am pretty sure they'd like to see some of the money back, but maybe not, they may simply release it in the public domain.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
It will not happen, Apple will not kill Android.

If anything it will make Android phone manufacturers more careful with what they ship. They will have to create alternatives and write clean, proprietary code making sure they don't infringe other's work. They do pay for the chips, the screens, ram and all hardware, they do get a free OS! why can't they make sure that their "sense" stuff on top of AOS is not stealing stuff from others or simply get a license.

If they don't want to pay it, don't use it, no one is forcing HTC to infringe these 2 patents. Write something even better that users will love even more!

HTC sense has a lot of potential, actually it has a lot of really cool stuff, just skip the data structure recognition.

Samsung as far as i know didn't steal that, they are getting the shaft here.

Is it fair? why are we defending HTC here?
[EVO 4G General] peegle:
I love my EVO but I haven't heard of any of my friends having light leaks or dust under their iphone screens. If anything, I would think these lawsuits would show that it is the OTHER companies who are failing to innovate, otherwise these patent disputes wouldn't exist. I'll stick with my EVO because i prefer it to an iphone but I think you guys are being a little one sided in your arguments. If there is no patent on the android notification system then it's fair game no problems here.

Just a view from the other side, I suppose.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
It's not "stealing from others" when the code is so basic it shouldn't even have been patented. Maybe I should patent the formula 1+1=2 and sue everyone who doesn't start using 1+.5+.5=2
[EVO 4G General] saprano614:
I guess i wouldnt go with blackberry. i guess i would go with webos or even windows mobile. but if they werent there then i would take blackerry over apple. you could give me an iphone and free service for life and i would smash the phone in front of you and piss on it.
[EVO 4G General] equalsP:
Most of the time inventors and developers forfit any claim to copyrights and patents, and is it really fair for someone to retire off of 1-2 years of work? I wish I could retire now and get a check every month because of the last few years at my company.

Also it is the company's fault. Apple was the one who wrote those broad patents in the first place. Then with their money and influence + the horrible US system caused those patent claims to be granted. Then the well paid lawyers look for anything and everything that can fit the patent and sue sue sue.

It's hard to be sympathetic to such a large money making company that appears to be greedy and lusty for money. It's not just these suits, it's also Apples general image and attitude. They try to completely control every little aspect of everything. They are like overbearing parents.

Apple wants complete control of the tablet / phone market.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
I agree with you that maybe it should not have passed the patent office.

But, one of the patent here is about data structure, this did not exist, someone came up with it, with the idea and implementation, and it works and is a cool addition to the OS.

1+1 = 2, you did not come up with it, it is simply a fact.

Now you have to understand that if one of the patent discussed was too restrictive as you make it sound, Apple could get in trouble for monopoly and they definitely don't want that.

Android is resourceful and won't die no matter what apple says.

Android manufacturers simply need to play by the book and just like the OGG story vs mp3, or gif vs png, they will find their own way.

Things that appear to be "well, that's a given", well, "yeah duh that's the way it should be. " aren't that obvious when they don't exist 1st.

Take a look at this patent:

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5301348&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP

this is for the progress bar!

My assumption is, any OS that uses a progress bar (all OS nowadays) have to have rights to use this patent, so this William J. person is getting some of the money (or IBM or whoever) because it is theirs.

I know it looks obvious now.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
is it fair to retire on a 1-2 years of work? obsolutely!

it is not the quantity of the work, but the quality, what you bring to the table.

If you think differently, you're probably thinking the following:

Give a fairly complex problem to Einstein and a dumb person.

The dumb person solves the problem in about 20 hours.

Einstein solves it in 3 min, (coz you know, he's Einstein :) )

3min of work, vs 20 hours.

How do you pay them?

Answer that, we'll see then :)
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
If Apple's image is that bad, they are too greedy, led by super vilains and they are losing market to Android, what's the problem then? they will be out in no time :)

You should not worry about that kind of stuff.

Android because of its infrastructure won't die, so it's all good.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
I haven't checked dates and tbh I'm not really concerned enough to take the time to do so, but I would be willing to bet they were not the ones to come up with that idea. There are a few specifics in there like "for mobile devices" and stuff for faxes which could be used to distinguish it from desktops that already did all of this.
[EVO 4G General] wfrandy:
I am old, so I remember the last time Apple was the hot thing. The problem is, they were using the same closed system business model with their computers at the time as they are with their phones and tablets now. Then the pc came along, and nearly bankrupted Apple, because it was a more open system. So, Apple set up a think tank, which patented any far out technological idea they could think of. So that the next time they came out with something that takes off like their original personal computer did, and someone else comes out with a similar thing that challenges their business model, they can litigate the competitor out of business. And here we are.

That is the way it seems to have unfolded in my opinion anyway.

And by the way, my understanding is that HTC is more than willing to pay for the technology they are using, like they are paying Microsoft for similar technology, but Apple says they don't want to sell it to them. If that is the case, it kind of kills anyone's assertion that Apple wants to compete fairly. I personally would have no problem with this if it was just a case of Apple going after HTC for licensing, but refusing to license their technology, and going after them to put them out of business is definitely not the way fair, legitimate business is done. I know this because I own manufacturing company (not phone or computer related). I have, on several occasions had patent related disputes with competitors. It always comes down to the party who holds the patent giving the option to either cease manufacturing the infringing item or pay the patent holder an equitable fee for using their patented technology. I have yet to see any patent holder go after someone for infringing their patent to put them out of business and actually winning in court. Then again, this is just the opening rounds, Apple hasn't won yet.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
All so true :)

I was glad to read your post, indeed. if Apple simply refuses to license, it doesn't sound very fair, but i would add that one of the patent is something HTC won't be missing, just like Samsung and Motorola, they don't use it, so HTC is not loosing much, just remove it if you want to stay in business.

Same thing happened to Microsoft with Java, they stopped shipping Windows with Java. no big deal.
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
Anyone remember when Apple was the little company that dared people to stand up against the giants by providing better, more innovative equipment??

What a joke they turned into...
[EVO 4G General] qipengart:
Hmm... looks like I won't be buying an Apple computer any time soon due to this.
[EVO 4G General] Mark_Hardware:
Apple is to smartphones as Walmart is to small businesses.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
I don't think you were about to buy one anyway :)

PS: People, is it ok if i make my own ROM, put swipe full version, launcher pro (full version) + commercial themes and charge people for my rom?

Is that ok?

Swipe, launcher pro and themers won't mind right?

if they do complain they sure will be aholes, right?

i mean come on.
[EVO 4G General] Prugor:
If this is about the two patent infringement cases against HTC, shouldn't those be aimed at good since its their is?

Also, patenting a motion from left to right to unlock a smart phone is lame.
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
This is a poor analogy.

Anyhow, this is more so about Google than HTC but Apple goes after HTC because they're smaller and have less money. However, with Google and possibly Microsoft behind HTC and Android in this matter, there will be some very heavy hitters in court but HTC isn't going anywhere.

tapa tapa tapa
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
you might be right, but i thought it was HTC through HTC Sense that the issues started. which is why google or other android vendors are ok on the patents.

i could be wrong here though.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Apple sues Samsung. Ios5 Widgets look like touchwiz

Apple flat out stole androids widely recognized as better then apples notifications system

Apple sues HTC I read in pulse news about apple developing a panoramic camera system.... like the one found in sense 3?

Android has wallpapers and can send picture texts. Did apple get sued when they "adopted" these features? No.

HTC evo gets front facing cam. IPhone 4 gets front facing camera

Did apple steal the led camera flash too?

Camera button on ios5 lockscreen. HTC sense 3 lock screen Widgets/apps

Rumors of nfc on iPhone five

Its 4am and those are all the examples I can think of off the top of my head. Come on, apple rips off android everyday and they never get sued

Apple realizes android is going to destroy their mobile market

So many choices, customizability, availability, now more and more even better marketed.

All these lawsuits seem like a company grasping at straws to me

I agree with a post I saw

Android manufacturers and google need to team up to stop this nonsense, apple is bullying smaller companies with the court system and its a mockery of so much, the American court system, capitolism, business ethics. Its pathetic
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Also, isn't the fact that they're trying to stop EVERY SINGLE MAJOR MANUFACTURER OF ANDROID HANDSETS STOP IMPORTS slightly illegal?

Unfair market domination, monopolization, etc?.....

The first patent applies to pretty much every computer program ever written.

The second applies to any device that plugs into any other device.

Apple could slap every manufacturer of computers, Microsoft, Linux whatever whoever with these patent suits,

These pieces of software have pretty much always been in all androids.

Straws, straws.

Apple doesn't have the balls to take on Microsoft or HP or any of the other big dogs, so they take a relatively small company (s) they're trying to kill android by taking out its top three manufacturers

Moto sammy and HTC

Come on people, were not talking about the death of HTC, this is the murder of android
[EVO 4G General] github:
Man, some people in this thread need to read sites like techdirt.com more often. I'm mean, it's 2011 and people are STILL calling it stealing. /facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

and this (un?)comic strip makes a pretty good point.

That said, I also agree that we are in a patent nuclear war. Look at how much money was paid for Nortel's patents. And it was won by a group of the biggest patent abusers out there.

It's so bad that you have companies buying up patents just to defend themselves incase of attack. It's a race to see who can sue their competitors out of the market instead of innovate them out of the market.

Anyone considering becoming a patent/trademark lawyer: There is a ton of money to be made.
[EVO 4G General] LCL22:
you do know the history of apple right?

this attitude is NOT new..
[EVO 4G General] alaman68:
What happens on this forum if one rom kangs another without giving due credit?

Anyway, the first htc phone I saw a complete blackberry ripoff, now they rip off apple and get called on it. If they go under, who cares, they will be replaced. Besides, I thought we were all hating them right now notfor releasing kernel source code within the 30 day window and keeping their boot loaders locked. Which is it?:confused:
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
HE

If you claim apple stole by having a notification system like android then you can say they all stole from apple by having a touchscreen phone. This is ridiculous. For one to say they aren't innovating they are suing is ridiculous.

News flash!!!THEY ALREADY INNOVATED and HTC DID NOT IS WHY THEY ARE SUING!

If you are using the same technology that another company created you have to pay that company to use it. You can't use it for free. At the very least if said technology is similar to another you have to prove that it is different and not the same. As far as apple using the notification system does anyone here know whether or not they paid google to use it? If they didn't then google could sure them and apple would have to prove that it's coded different or something or pay up.

You can't claim a company is not innovating because they are suing another company for using the technology they created. It's the other way around. The company being sued is the one not innovating.

Furthermore don't get mad if a company creates something and doesn't want another company to use it. The company you want to be able to use it should innovate more!
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Ummm Zac I know out was 4 am when you write this but neither HTC/Google (android)/Apple created the panoramic camera. Just because one company releases it before another doesn't mean they stole it when they didn't even create it. Iphone 4 released less than 3 weeks after the evo...but apple stole front facing camera too? Wallpapers weren't magically created when they appeared on androids.

This lawsuit is between apple and htc. Google has nothing to do with it. Google says here is our

OS phone companies and you can use it (for a fee. Android may be open source but google still gets paid off of it. Hence why the source code for each version isn't released for months which then makes it open source). Google says here is our OS and everything in our OS (patents) presumably has already been purchased for use by our customers. But if you add your own stuff (sense, motor blur, etc). You on your own.

Everyone is dogging apple for it's practices such as closed source but privately, google it, google is also upset at how android has been abused by three manufacturers and had even been thinking about changing things due to mass fragmentation of the OS. GOOGLE market apps containing viruses because there is no approval process and so on. So when google adopts these policies and says manufacturers no sense, touch wiz or moto blur. Will the same complaints about apple be made to google?
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
If you understood what the two patents were you might understand. The infringing software is proprietary in almost any thing running any os.

HTC was the first to develop panoramic in a mobile environment.

And do you really think they only steal ideas from phones post release? That's fantasy.

As far as the software that HTC is infringing are proprietary android files that are not written by HTC, are a part of aosp and are in all phones.

Same patents are claimed in apple and Sammy suits.

Like a fellow poster said

Apple would love to patent the motion of breathing and call it copyright and make money off breathing
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
They can't patent a touch screen as they didn't design it, but I will say many more handset makers now looked at touch, but one could argue manifest destiny as 80 percent of phones manufactured today are touch
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Why is it that every article I read about android the writer is what's saying that android is outselling or killing apple in sales? This comparison isn't fair and in all actuality once the facts are looked at apple is killing android.

For example, this writer states that android phones out sell apple by two to one. Well android phones account for more than 50 different devices worldwide compared to apples two so out of every one of apples two phones that sell android only sells two out of a total 50 give or take devices and claim they win? Doesn't make sense. apple also makes tablets. So does android....android also has way more on market than apple does but android isn't winning that battle despite having more products on market. Guess they need at least 50 more to come on market against apple to claim victory against two.

Ok I'll stop now. Starting to sound like an apple fan boy. I actually own apple and google products and love them both. Can't do without google apps and other google products. Just tired of android fanboys complaining about apple fanboys when they do the same things apple fanboys do.out shouldn't be about brand allegiance. It should be about the product. Google has some great products. Apple has some great products. Some google products are better than apple and some apple products are better than google. Just make sure your argument is not biased and make sure all economics are included in it.
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
As you said the software is proprietary meaning they can't copy the software but they can add the technology to their software. They weren't innovative in coming up with a panoramic camera on

an app on a mobile environment. Panoramic cameras apps have existed in ios since at least 2009. htc is not an OS manufacture they have software and hardware but they didn't innovate or create panoramic camera apps. So therefore apple isn't stealing from them. If you can claim they are then htc is stealing from the people who first developed panoramic camera apps back in 09. Which means apple is stealing from them people too and not htc. I'm pretty sure some other company holds the patent for panoramic technology and htc as well as apple had to pay them to use it. Htc nor apple can claim...hey you use your technology in a cam and I user mine on a phone (that has a cam) so I'm not infringing.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
True. Good point, really

But back up from the apple vs HTC thing, and look at the fact that their suing the top 3 android manufacturers. They're not trying to kill HTC, they want android dead

Monopoly.... unfair market domination. Right or wrong about the patents apple is trying to kill there only rival.

Instead of making a superior product, there killing the others

More apples way or no way, good ol apple