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[HTC Sensation] jony013:
Thanks for your reply, I updated those link. Now you will know what you said is not true. I am not justifying anything, True will be true. SGS2 is overclocked to 1.2 by samsung and its all software issues which is, what makes the benchmark result great. Main thing is Other than the GL benchmark, all benchmarking soft is not up to date for the sensation. As its use console-quality 3D graphics and high-end effects such as vertex skinning, full-screen post-processing shader effects, dynamic lighting with full-screen alpha blending, real-time cloth simulation, advanced shader effects like dynamic shadows, god rays, bump mapping.
[HTC Sensation] rockky:
I trialed one on ATT...and: No its not...(unfortunately)
[HTC Sensation] psn1819:
I think both phones need a cyanogen 2.3.4 rom and then we can see how they perform against each other..sadly for us sensation owners... August couldn't come any quicker lol.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Let me ask you something. If the Adreno is so good then why does HomeRun Battle 3D lag sometimes on my Sensation but never lagged once on my Tegra II powered G2X. I could care less about benchmarks or how Samsung is reaching the high numbers. What matters more to me is real world use. I could also care less if Samsung or HTC optimized there processors better than the other. Bottom line. Both of them should be optimized for best performance upon mass release. HTC always has problems with there drivers and quite frankly, the Adreno 220 could be 10 times better than the Mali or the Tegra II but if it doesn't have the software to back it up then its no good to me or you. By the time we get root or better drivers, Tegra III will be out smoking everything in its path including the Adreno 220.

By the way, the Adreno may be better than the Mali but the Snapdragon is very much inferior to the Exynos which is more powerful when it comes to raw processing power. I wish HTC would just ditch Qualcom all together because TI and Samsung continue to **** all over them.
[HTC Sensation] Teso Dos Bichos:
It will not be August/September for the Sensation. Yes it will be unlocked but that is when the custom rom process begins. It will be weeks to months later before you get any stable releases of everything.
[HTC Sensation] pinhead:
The final product Samsung has provided in the Galaxy S II appears to be significantly faster than what HTC provides in the Sensation. I do not use the individual parts of my phone. I use the final product. So whoever optimized what does not matter to me as much as what I see on the screen and hold in my hand.

I prefer the Sensation right now. That is also what I own. The phone before that was the G2x and I liked that one as well...I preferred it to the Galaxy S 4g and the MyTouch 4g. Before that I had a preference for GS 4g...and it goes on from there. I buy the phones I prefer. It is kinda funny to see people defend the smartphone they bought as though they designed and built it themselves.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Exactly, I buy whatever phone I like and right now I use a Sensation and a G2X. I think the Sensation is better than the G2X but I think the GSII is better than the Sensation and I'm not affraid to admit that just because I own the Sensation. If people think the Sensation is better than the GSII then they think the Sensation is the best Android phone available right now since almost every review I've read labels the GSII the best Android device to date. In fact, 9 out of 10 reviews state the GSII took Android to the next level but I haven't read any review stating the Sensation took it to the next level. Maybe if HTC would have released it with optimized drivers we would see reviews stating such.
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
I am considering getting rid of the sensation due to it getting far to hot, I understand a dual core should put out more heat and its passively cooled but it shouldnt get any where near as hot as it does... I sold my sgs because of how terrible the flashing process is and if i didnt have the efs folder backed up I would of lost my imei :D
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
My Sensation gets extremely hot when playing Homerun Battle 3D and my G2X gets no where near as hot when playing the same game. In fact, after playing for 30 minutes it gets so hot that sometimes my screen becomes unresponsive to touch but the accelerometer still works. I think its definitely a driver issue but something shouldn't be getting so hot that it renders the phone useless.
[HTC Sensation] Hoggles:
I would imagine the heat you're talking about might be the battery not as much as the cpu.

I got my "1900mAh" Anker battery a few days ago and I can confirm, as others have in the Anker thread, that it doesn't get anywhere near as hot as it did with the OEM battery.

The easiest test for me was Angry Birds..... 30-45 min with stock battery, 45c avrg. Very hot to hold, even through my case. This Anker....28c avrg. Barley warm...huge difference.

No matter if the numbers are correct, one thing is for sure....I no longer feel ANY excessive heat even with prolonged heavy use.

If heat is why you'd get rid of your Sensation, spend 10 bones and get a new battery. Cheap and stays cool and lasts way longer :)
[HTC Sensation] KingKuba13:
That site is funny.

"These benchmark tests shows that Tegra 2 takes the lead over Exynos in almost every category. Specially, this is especially true for mobile gaming."

Looks like everything is better than Exynos.

But you are wrong, sensation is weak.
[HTC Sensation] DazzXP:
Sounds to me your phone is syncing in the background
[HTC Sensation] |ErosizeD|:
Hey people!! This reminds to me, old times with the HTC HD2 ( quetly brillant )

jajajaja yea yea... just quietly brillant... :D with the optimized drivers! :o
[HTC Sensation] the_scotsman:
I have to laugh at all these banchmarks between the two...they aren't exactly valid.

The Sensation has a higher res screen that is has to push...which obviously means it has more work to do....it's not a fair comparison.

And in any case...benchmarks mean nothing to me...I chose to buy the Sensation because it looks so much better than the GS2, it has a better interface in Sense 3, and it's HTC :)
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
My device syncs nothing but gmail. I have everything off including the HTC weather. I wouldn't even call my Gmail syncing since I'm using the Gmail app which uses push.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
My Sensation doesn't get hot near the battery. It gets hot at the very bottom where all of the internals are.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
Not to mention that those benchmarks were preformed with sgs2 handsets sporting prototypes Exynos SOC, which were unachieved, slower, downclocked, dissipating more heat, drawing more power, and using buggy beta drivers. All the benchmarks done with final revisions of the handset have it to beat the sensation as well as anything using ULP. Figures....
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
If that was a pre-released exynos, so does the adreno. You guys are missing the point. Adreno 220 is a much more capable gpu than the mali 400 when fully optimized! Now move along boys and girls!
[HTC Sensation] blunted09:
i like popcorn :o
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
The things I post are not my own opinion but real tests done by others:p

That was what I have been trying to tell you from the very start. adreno 220 alone is a better gpu than mali 400 according to tests done by anandtech! No move along!
[HTC Sensation] Warhero141:
warning! Fanboy alert! Activating defcon 1.
[HTC Sensation] blunted09:
but the phone isnt...
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
Have you missed the part where anandtech was using pre-releases of the galaxy s2 with pre-releases Exynos SOC, MALI chipsets and beta/buggy drivers ? I fail to see how these benchmarks reflect anything. On the other end, all the benchmarks done on actual final galaxy s2 handsets have it winning over the sensation when it comes to actual graphics and cpu processing. There are countless reviews on the internet performing such benchmarks, yet you had to "conveniently" pick the only ones that were performed on beta hardware and yet claim how your opinion is actually objective. Do you really think you could fool people who actually are knowledgeable in such fields ?
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
I am not a fanboy, the sensation has plenty of perks where it beats the galaxy s2 performances are just not one of them. I am but the one purposely picking benchmarks performed on pre-release handsets just to make the sensation appear as the more powerful device, perhaps you should read more carefully and figure out who the fanboy really is.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Even now sensation drivers are still beta not fully optimized. Imagine if it was fully optimized! Knowledgeable? for all i know you just made those things up. show the site where you got all those info otherwise they are just your own opinion.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Geez! SGS2 owners will defend their mali 400 to the death. I guess that is all they have. Without it, it is just an ugly dual core device:eek:
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Funny that all the test done by anandtech with the supposedly prototype buggy version of mali 400 loses to tegra 2,s gpu and adreno 220.

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/

It should mention that the mali 400 they tested is a buggy prototype but it doesnt.

Being the worlds first should make its drivers the most updated and optimized compared to other gpu's but according to some posters that it is still in beta stages that is why it loses to newer gpu's. Somehow that doesnt make sense to me.:rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
This I copy direct from the site(see below). Somehow it doesn't mention that they are prototypes.

a team known as Anandtech has done several tests on Adreno 220 GPU. One of them was the GLBenchmark 2.0, which records the performance of OpenGL ES 2.0 compatible devices such as Mali™-400 MP using two long suites that include a combination of different effects such as direct lighting, bump, environment, radiance mapping, soft shadows, texture based on the use of vertex shader, deferred multi-pass rendering, texture noise, etc. and the test showed that Adreno 220 GPU was 2.2 times faster than the other existing devices such as Mali-400 MP GPU.

Mali-400 MP is a GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) developed by ARM in 2008(and still prototype but worlds first?)
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
I am not you, I don't get infos from (unreliable) "sites", I happened to have browsed the actual source code from the adreno 200 driver which were released back in the days by ACER, I also happened to actually deal with with the snapdragon mmu and overclocking its bus. Perhaps you should have done the same, by looking closely at the adreno driver sources (feel free to do so yourself) you can easily see that the thing sits on the same bus as the cpu. If you have more doubts you can always go to qualcomm and order their datasheet

(yes, their SOC is such a crap that you actually have to order their specs sheet and sign a NDA to obtain it, not like they want people to know how bad their SOC is while they are telling the actual public how it is "better" than anything out there without providing technical documentation.)
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Again, no way to verify this. At least the things I posted are from real tests done by others and not some made up mumbo jumbo technical stuff that who knows if real or not. Maybe you should write an article about it, post it to a site and claim it to be a true test done by your company.;)
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Any claims without proof is just that. A claim! wouldn't hold up in a court of law.

I can just as easily say some technical blah blah blah that I have done and that the adreno 220 is 5x better than mali 400. Move along kids. The show is over!
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
You can easily see it's prototype devices by both the missing samsung brandings and the fact that they mention the clock speed is 1Ghz (not that this is the actual gpu clock speed which on prototypes is capped to 160mhz instead of the actual 267mhz peek speed of the final MALI chipset in order to prevent overheating)

Finally it wasn't developed in 2008, it was developed starting 2008 and took several years in the making, the very same way the adreno 220 wasn't developed in 2011. Not to mention the MALI is quad core, samsung actually only ordered the license for one of cores from ARM and packed it into a 4 cores GPU, implementing their own management unit in the process.

This is the part that took several years in the making, because gpu pipelines don't get managed on their own.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
There are tons of real benchmarks, performed by many different sources on actual retail versions of the device and they all have the galaxy s2 winning, as to "there is no way to verify that" have you checked the adreno 200 drivers sources as I suggested you to do? The bus management is all in there. So yes, there is a way to verify my claims or there would if you knew how to code and took the time to actually check it out. It feels like I am talking to a deaf ear anyway.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
And where does it say that on that site?
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
without getting into much details. The site said that adreno 220 and tegra 2's gpu outperform mali 400. That is what this discussion is all about!
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
Yes and that website bases its claims on benchmarks performed on PRE-RELEASE, UNFINALIZED versions of the galaxy s2 and Exynos with lower clock speeds and buggy drivers ! Congrats on displaying an irrelevant paper while sounding like a broken record.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Deaf ear? I think you are just posting for the sake of posting. This is a discussion.

Again if you read from the very post I never said that the sensation is a better device than the SGS2. I said the adreno 220 is better than mali 400 according to tests done by anandtech. I think you are basing all your arguments basing on benchmarks tools from the market. You have to understand that the drivers of adreno 220 is not fully optimized that is why it falls behind some of the benchmark tests.

Like I said the test you claimed that you did are not verifiable since you have no proof of this!
[HTC Sensation] miniterror:
Only my 2cents about it.

I heard that android 2.3.3 doesnt support dualcore.(wich is on sensation)

If the os doesnt support dualcore the drivers are probably not complete and not all power of the phone is unleashed.

I believe sg 2 uses 2.3.4 wich does support dualcore and therefore has all the proper coding to use its full potential and therfore it scores better imo.

I think the only way to be sure is to wait for s-off for sensation and to get cyanogen on it.

Then booth phones wil have the same android version and its more fair to see what wins in the battle.

But for now its not a fair battle imo
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
I think you are the broken record here. You keep claiming things that is not even verifiable. Where are your papers? that verifies your claim of such test done by you? At least anandtech is real.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
That could be it as well, but I think it is more of not fully optimized drivers since someone with a desire s claimed that his device can run sense 3.0 smoother than the sensation. Considering the sensation has a dual core, better cpu and gpu.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
I didn't claim I did tests, I claimed that on qualcomm SOC the gpu and cpu share the same bus, which is verifiable considering the sources for three adreno 200 drivers are out there. Hell, overclock or downclock a snapdragon cpu and see what happens to gpu performances ! That alone would be proof enough of what I am saying, even quadrant reflect the changes !

Finally I never said that the adreno 220 drivers are optimized, I believe my words were "unoptimized, unrefined crappy drivers", I also said that is true for every adreno based devices out there and unlikely to ever change, which means that unless you have the ressources to write your own gpu drivers and optimize them, your so precious adreno gpu will always display poor results, and don't expect the open community to do this, gpu drivers are among the hardest and most time consuming to code out there, this is even more true as qualcomm isn't providing the gpu datasheets to anyone that doesn't purchase those, and then you still can't share these because you are obligated to sign a NDA.

Finally even with a decent driver it will wouldn't be a great gpu and it would still be slower than the final version of the MALI-400 at stock clock speeds because of other hardware limitations such as the shared bus among others.
[HTC Sensation] :
Here's your proof Mr. Proof-reader:

http://www.nordichardware.se/testla...ungviktare-med-hoeg-upploesning.html?start=15

In all the tests, the GS2 has better scores compared to Sensation.

And here's another:

http://www.swedroid.se/38657/test-av-htc-sensation/

Hint: Use google translatator.

And attached is screen-shot of gsmarena comparison.

Next time you talk about optimized/partially-optimized drivers, realize this that it's none of our fault that HTC decided not to optimize the drivers. Give us the result of your so-called optimized drivers and we will believe you. Just shouting in the forums is not going to change what is blatantly obvious.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
2.3.3 supports dual core just fine, actually the sgs2 2.3.4 rom is a leaked one and it its still officially on 2.3.3 which are where all the published benchmarks where performed on. 2.3.4 only fixes a bug in the power management policy that couldn't get the dual core cpu to "sleep" properly, which in turn drained the battery faster, but had no impact on actual performances.
[HTC Sensation] theredundant:
LADS! lets just wait till the sensation gets s-off and we'll truly see which device wins :D
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
Actually it's more qualcomm's fault for providing crappy drivers xD of course you could also argue that it's HTC's fault for using qualcomm's chipsets but meh... : P

P.S. If you look carefully at these benchmarks results you will notice that the MALI-400 rendering is actually capped to 60fps which means that the chipset can even achieve better better results.
[HTC Sensation] elmonen:
Before brusko comes again showing the anandtech link I hope he looks at the dates of those test compared to the newer tests posted here! As you can see the prelimenary tests didn't show the full power of the MALI.. In these newer tests with the final version of MALI (and final drivers) the MALI beats the crap out of the adreno :-) Over and out!
[HTC Sensation] :
Right. vsync will automatically keep it limited till 60fps. I think LG G2X used some "bypass" methods to trick benchmarks in certain cases.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
I don't see how s-off is going to magically provide the sensation with improved adreno drivers, just my 2 cents here.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
Yes, the Tegra2's ULP "cheats" benchmarks by reporting more fps than the screen can handle/display, which means that the ULP is uncapped and thus wasting a fair amount of battery.

Not like the adreno 220 has this issue considering it can't even get to 60fps in those benchmarks.
[HTC Sensation] miniterror:
Then you can get booth phones running the same rom.

Now its htc tweaks against samsung.

For example if they booth have different settings for the taskkiller you get diff results.

Booth have another ui wich takes up differenr resources wich can mean one phone has more left for powermeaurments.

And as everybody knows qualcom drivers are crappy, with s-off devs could see if they can make drivers a little better.

All in all with s-off for sensation its possible to make the phone the same settings and tweaks wich eliminates differences in settings
[HTC Sensation] Success100:
thank you. As weve been stating.. adreno could be a better GPU, but in its current state, it isnt. The experience between the two is night and day. I love HTC as a company but imo there is NO comparison between the two. Both are AWESOME devices but I would choose an s2 over a sensation 10x out of 10. I dont own either but haved used both.

great write up. this is also why noone could figure out how to overclock the GPU on adreno 205 because GPU clock speeds were dependant on CPU clock speeds.

both support dual core. as stated 2.3.4 was just a update. The difference is the sensation has an asynchronous dual core where the s2 is synchronous.

i think s-off on the sensation will be huge, but I would still bet my money on the s2, and im sure it would still be the "superior" device (in most respects) even after custom roms and kernels have been cooked up. Perfect example is the Evo. Great device, but hindered by terrible drivers, fps caps, things of that nature. CM7, defintely helped it...but theres only so much you can do to a device. Samsung really knows how to optimize their high end devices, not to say that they dont have their own respective issues, but when it comes to performance they rival iOS devices where as HTC hasnt really mastered that yet. imo
[HTC Sensation] gf7800:
HTC Sensation is better than SGS2 .

OK.. thats the thread `s title

I dont have the SGS2 and never grap one in my hands ,

but i have the sensation and i can admit that i am very disappointing, my old DHD was FAR smoother , shame on you HTC your advertisements was very Promising :

and i cant see anything close to this.

i do not look for benchmarks or specs , Even if my Sensation got the best scores in what ever you want ,but in the real world it is SLOWWWW :mad

Sorry but according to my personal experience till this moment the Sensation is NOT worth carrying the description of Hi End device :cool:
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
The sensation isn't THAT bad, but sense 3.0 happens to be a huge bloatware and this certainly doesn't help.
[HTC Sensation] Success100:
and a great testimony from a sensation user!! an honest one!!!
[HTC Sensation] gf7800:
The Device itself is very good specs and hardware wise, but thats not fair enough, cause it is shipped with screwy software.
[HTC Sensation] gf7800:
:D NOT very honest :D

cause my vote gone to Sensation :D

an honest fanboy here :D
[HTC Sensation] blunted09:
has anyone ever located the Zack Morris phone? Honestly, if i found a good deal and it could work, I would buy it immediately.
[HTC Sensation] gf7800:
So you can carry it with your SGS2 underneath its battery cover :D
[HTC Sensation] zerodi:
One phone to rule them all and in the darkness, bind them!
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
The real issue is available memory. Unless it's funky coding, if Sense 3.0 had more headroom, a lot of the performance issues people complain about wouldn't be there.

SGS2 = Thinner UI + More RAM

Sensation = Heavier UI + Less RAM

RAM's cheap so I don't know what HTC was thinking. People would probably trade beveled glass on their display for additional onboard memory if it all came down to cost.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
Nothing is cheap when you have to multiply it by millions of handsets : p
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
Cant believe a fellow Canadian who owns a N95 is so stupid.

Saddens me.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
You actually bring up a good point. Samsung manufacturers most of their own internals and the display so their costs are lower than HTC who relies on third parties. To sell the phone at the same price and make a similar profit, HTC has to lower their expenses some how.
[HTC Sensation] greengoldmello:
Yeah. You notice that he stopped posting that nonsense when he was finally proven wrong
[HTC Sensation] Mafiatounes:
Believe me in real use Sgs 2 is way faster than the sensation wich is crippled by sense 3.0, frankly just be honest here the Sgs is just faster at this moment, this is coming from someone who owned both!
[HTC Sensation] Clivectmob:
I've owned both, and got rid of both, neither can get the basics right. Sgs2 can't keep a data connection reliably and the sensation can't keep dust from under its screen. Seriously disappointing. Geting a desire s on Tuesday, by all accounts they work just nice.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
That's based on carrier and/or location.