yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Defy General] Epsylon3:
flashing updates with the recovery doesnt mean removing the kernel signature, its not the recovery which check this...

This recovery was present in the beta GB rom we have used as base for defy+ builds, but, its not for the froyo sbf base
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
We know that, but we are looking at another way: kexec.

It was canceled because the kernel crashes on RIL-Reinitializing.

We hope, that this kernel has no RIL so kexec will do the FIRST init and kernel doesn't crash.

Quarx worked for some time on kexec/2ndboot so I hope this will help to continue the project.
[Defy General] Shubhamqweasd:
yes i also thinks the same , previously when RIL was reinitialized , it forces the whole system to reboot with itself , so the project was abandoned ..

now if this kernel doesnt even starts the RIL , we can hope to boot it , and then initialize the RIL :D
[Defy General] nidhish91:
Quarx... Come online..:o

S3nt fr0m my D3fy/w1u1 GB st4BL3
[Defy General] brajesh.sharma87:
Quarx did check the JB thread sometime ago. I really wish Quarx and Epsylon3 gives some effort here too.
[Defy General] joydeep1985:
Ofcouse they would :) they have got the defy and defy+ ... I m sure they wd experiment on this issue and surely bring out some outcome :) its good for all of us :)
[Defy General] 57op:
I'm going to try. I'll let you know...

Cool, i was about to ask :p
[Defy General] Quarx:
Oops server won't change by this method...

Need recreate BlurAccout. :(

In Cloud Setup already has many servers (no need change manually).. but scrolling so hard
[Defy General] 57op:
Yes, i got "Cloud setup" on gingerbread leaked :). Thanks.

You're right man, it's quite impossible to scroll :|!

I'm doing some test now!

-

I've set master-qa2.blurdev.com as server, but when i update it say: "No update is necessary at this time".

[q] do i always need to wipe to change server with cloud setup?
[Defy General] Quarx:
so the same

master-dev.blurdev.com

master-qa3.blurdev.com

master-qa1.blurdev.com

master-staging1.blurdev.com

I don't know how to remove blurAccount... I do a wipe
[Defy General] 57op:
Ok, i'll wipe and try other servers...

I hope someone else could do the same thing, we'll be faster :)

master-qa2.blurdev.com -> "no update is necessary at this time"

master-qa4.blurdev.com -> "no update is necessary at this time"

master-staging1.blurdev.com -> "Your device is up to date. no update is necessary at this time"

master-sdc1.svcmot.com -> "Your device is up to date. no update is necessary at this time"

master-blur.svcmot.com -> "Your device is up to date. no update is necessary at this time"

master-lab.blurderv.com -> "Error creating account: an error has occured. please try again."

master-dev.blurdev.com -> "Error creating account: Unable to connect at this time, try again later."

master-homer.blurdev.com -> "Error creating account: an error has occured. please try again."

master-bart.blurdev.com -> "Error creating account: Unable to connect at this time, try again later.".
[Defy General] ephumuris:
Seems like not great news for us Defy owners so far. Keep going guys. Someone needs to keep a list of already tried roms so we aren't wasting time :)
[Defy General] ofmb:
@Testers!!

Please answer the short survey:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dEtQVUp1bVVlUlhaTnc5UWNiMzF6VkE6MQ

will help us all!
[Defy General] 57op:
There must be a problem with time... Here i've listed all server tried and results.

It's weird... Almost all errors are related to time, i'm stopped now.
[Defy General] cloogshizer:
Erm, doesn't this just mean that there simply is no update for the Defy at the moment? So the errors are not related to "time" but to the lack of an update in general at the tried hosts, aren't they?
[Defy General] 57op:
It may be. if there weren't any update i think it's useless giving a message related to time though...
[Defy General] cloogshizer:
Oh, now I get what you mean. Thanks for clarifying. That is a pitty, but maybe when a release of the mysterious Defy+ comes closer, there could be an update.
[Defy General] samcripp:
Im glad you guys got the hang of it. Bow continue testing firvall your builds
[Defy General] Antszej:
I think that you can try to find updates using Froyo, But changing something in build.prop

First thing is to change name to MB526

Second thing is to change market verifications or Idk what is that thing to that one from GB builds (last lines of build.prop, some links, it helped me in buying Order & Chaos ;)),

DEFY@2.3.4-134
[Defy General] djkail:
I think there is a rom you dont used, or its missed in XDA for defy. Here is the link and version name, hope it will help.

http://www.multiupload.com/7SWFANCAMG

JRDNEM_U3_3.4.2_179-4.4_VFSBLUR_SIGN_SIGNED_USAJRDNEMARAB1B8VFES03A.0R_PDS03C_USAJRDNFRYOVFES_P028_A018_M002_HWp3_Service1FF.rar

ROM Froyo 2.2.2 Vodafone Spain.
[Defy General] 57op:
I don't think it's a rom problem. Test updates are just not avaible for defy... :(
[Defy General] samcripp:
dont give up on just usa tmo, try other builds as well.
[Defy General] slipknotfn:
Could the issue be that in build.prop (at least on tmo 2.2.1) it states "ro.product is obsolete; use ro.product.device". Could this be telling the server when it tries to update that this device is not eligible? I am a total noob at this and trying to grasp all the concepts. Just saw this whilst reading through the files.
[Defy General] rubjonny:
'At this time' is just an English phrase, similar to 'right now' or 'at the moment' :)
[Defy General] cloogshizer:
I guess what he meant was that as there is no update "at this time" there has to be an update at some time, i.e. in the future. I'm not very confident about about the future update thing, at least for MB525. Maybe for MB526 the chances are better.
[Defy General] 57op:
Yes, i got it later. Once i switched to italian language, i understood what it actually means...

I've looked for updates with gingerbread leaked rom ( MB526 ), no results anyway.
[Defy General] marhensa:
wrap-up

Summoning Gods of Motorola DEFY

Quarx, Epsylon3, maniac103, ga1axy, m11kkaa, walter79.

(ga1axy is the one who invented bootmenu for our Defy)

Finally... :highfive:

Once more there's a ray of light towards our legendary Defy to use custom kernel.

custom kernel : better custom rom experience.

locked bootloader : no custom kernel.

but there's another way, Kexec, kernel execution. :fingers-crossed:

Previously, last year, Kexec method was abandoned,

due to when RIL (it's about call, sms) reinitialized, it forces the whole system to reboot.. :(

For those of you missing the exciting news,

you should start reading it from here, page 53. :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1169557&page=53

NI55AN

, with his normal Defy (not eng-version one),

realize that he could flash unsigned custom zip from stock recovery.

thanks to

m11kkaa

who guide and help to do it.. ;)

It's about "special" stock recovery which could flash custom unsigned zip (not came from motorola).

this could pave the way for kexec boots from stock recovery. :o

If this thing doesn't have RIL, kexec will do first init,

and kernel doesn't crash, and could work properly. :good:
[Defy General] mihovil13:
Thanks for making this thread sense to me :)
[Defy General] brajesh.sharma87:
And dont forget "m11kkaa" if he was not here around, we would not have multiboot. His developement in multiboot was awesome and that lead CM9 to be stable so early. Because of multiboot more testers/users were available to flash CM9 and hence more bug reporting to stablise CM9 and even CM10 now.

We almost lost our hopes towards project cheekscake but because of him only we have a small ray of hope. Dont know how much success we wud get but I certainly appreciate the effort made by him.

Unfortunately not much donation to such developers. (Though he never asked for donation)

P.S. : I also sent a PM to Quarx to check this thread. Lets see what he does.
[Defy General] marhensa:
it's better to start on page 53 ;)
[Defy General] hackergnome:
OK so wat the hell happent here?

Seems like a new birth after Zombie Apocalypse! lol

So the recover-kernel that m11kaa provided is gb-bl6 right?

Im on BL6 froyo kernel... and m switching to CM10 Defy+ so is it ok if i just flash this as a kernel?
[Defy General] guoluan:
Good job ! Could this work on BL7-Defy+ with blue camer too ？

:p
[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
Exactly wt I was thinking....where the heck r our recognised contributors.....when we need some experienced testers.....

BTW....as m11kkaa said...just flash his unsigned recovery zip.....and it will only take you to boot menu from this weird recovery.....and If u are lazy to root and den install 2nd init after some other sbf flash.....u can use this recovery to flash most ROMs...!!!!!!
[Defy General] hackergnome:
sry about that but i thought this thread was dead...

Now m staying here... ready of any tests... doesnt matter if it bricks ill get a new one...
[Defy General] overclockthesun:
lol..new one.... you do realise its very difficult to get a Defy in Mumbai.

PS: you know the service centre in mumbai for motorola. I got a fire xt 530 and the dang things camera button is dead. imma never buy from buytheprice again.
[Defy General] yodawg:
Will this void my warranty? Could this brick my phone? I'm on BL7-Defy+
[Defy General] fiskenigaten:
Bugreport/Whatever:

OK, let's do this really thorough...

Device: MB526

Bootloader: Bl6 froyo

Rom: CM9-NIGHTLY-120716-Defy+ (Quarx)

Kernel: flash_unlocked_recovery (the unlocked recovery kernel) AND/OR 4.5.2-109-DHT-22 (Walter's kernel. I flashed it after the unlocked recovery. Tried both setups, both gave the same result)

If i boot normally, everything works fine. Blue led, bootanim, lockscreen. Booting through the unlocked recovery, works fine too, BUT the sd-card doesn't exist! Rebooting this session brings me to the stock recovery instead of rebooting. Also, goint into CWM through the unlocked stock recovery gives me the following error:

E: Can't find misc
E: Can't find misc
E: Can't find misc

Try for yourselves!

Bl6 froyo user can confirm: YES. :)
[Defy General] hackergnome:
Yes will void ur warranty if they find it out...

may brick...(if not used correctly)
[Defy General] yodawg:
Is there no way to restore the warranty?
[Defy General] hackergnome:
Most probably they wont find it out... so dont worry
[Defy General] marhensa:
maybe we guys wait m11kkaa for the instructions..

Sent from TapaTalk | MotoDEFY - Android Jelly Bean 4.1.1
[Defy General] nidhish91:
Quarx is reading this thread :3

S3nt fr0m my D3fy/w1u1 GB st4BL3
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
Until quarx says something about this (I do remember that he was trying to implementing the kexec way in defy), let's get a couple of things clear:

Why the original provider (the web page from NI55AN get it) of this sbf doesn't report the "special" functions of this sbf before?

How it's that this thing just exist? Because I don't think that Motorola create such a back knife for them in his purpose of make us unhappy with locked bl...

If this magical sbf exist, we could create a new custom sbf with the same amazing features? Can we found a procedure to make this kind of sbf abroad? Because that will be a great success if we can find what is different in this and we can retrieve it.

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[Defy General] oSandmaNo:
How could they report it? NI55AN found it by accident. It was not a known thing.
[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
Just imagine....who I say who would even think of flashing a ROM from stock recovery....not even a noob would do it....!!!!...dats y it has slipped us ...!!!
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
Ok bad news guys. I could have seen that before...

Moto uses same kernel for both recovery and boot.(same hashes).

I booted a rom from recovery-kernel, too to confirm that and yes. EVERYTHING is working.

So this will never help us to get kexec working on defy. Sry for this hype...
[Defy General] brajesh.sharma87:
and why sorry for that? at least you tried, If we keep on sitting idle then nothing will happen. This at least made this operation active again. Thanks for that.
[Defy General] marhensa:
okay then.

hype is..... gone.. :)

Sent from TapaTalk | MotoDEFY - Android Jelly Bean 4.1.1
[Defy General] yodawg:
:crying:
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
Yep... I thought so ... moto continuing f*** up us....

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[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
Oh man....but the excitement was fun I must say....but let's keep this going guys....!!!
[Defy General] NI55AN:
Thanks hahaha. Oh well one day we will find a way
[Defy General] NI55AN:
Does this mean two identical kernels or one used for both?
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
two identical kernels just packed with different ramdisks.

And the recovery-kernel has a static cmdline with a few more partition-descriptions.

Only good thing is that we don't need root,2ndinit,cwm to reflash a phone.

But it's long time ago I needed todo that xd
[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
This would have been a wonderful find for bl7 users who were stuck with no root fr a loooong time..!!!
[Defy General] juried:
Is this perhaps how defy+ with BL7 was rooted? Is this an easy way to root any defy?
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
Yes this is an very easy way. You would just need to flash the sbf I created which only contains boot,recovery and devtree.

Then you can flash everything you want.(su-binary for example)
[Defy General] zyxwvut:
Stock recovery is included in sbf, so if you flash an sbf you lose THIS stock recovery as it gets overwritten by the new one. The only way to get this particular recovery without having root in the first place is to flash the sbf which contains this recovery. Its really not that useful at this point.
[Defy General] ofmb:
only me thinks that even this find alone deserves it's own thread?

it's simplifying things a lot, and there might be other benefits that we're not aware yet..

anyway, summing it all in a separate thread is encouraged imho

(with reserved posts and such )
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
Ok i will do that soon.
[Defy General] juried:
I'm now thinking of the Defy Mini and the RT353 (is that the name?). Flash that sbf even if it is the wrong one for the device, so as to get the extended recovery, then flash custom ROM. Would it work?
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
Are there working stock-sbf's for the mini to revert?(I don't know anythong about the mini and if it's defy-compatible, sry)
[Defy General] UEman:
NO, it could even brick your device.
[Defy General] hsrars-d:
Check out this link for SBFs Defy Mini users:

CLICK

Seems that its leaked.
[Defy General] pranks1989:
Doesn't Defy Mini has a totally different board and proc?!
[Defy General] mihovil13:
Defy Mini's BL might help?
[Defy General] hsrars-d:
No it wont, i just posted the link to sbfs so Dmini users can test something and then go back to stock if it screws up.
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
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[Defy General] hsrars-d:
So, someone can break the RSA key, but there is a chance that after success someone hacks your bank account and steals all your money, is that worth it?
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
Essentially, yes

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[Defy General] G00fY2:
I don't believe in this. Maybe they could make it with their clusters. But it would still need very, very, very munch time. It would be absolutly disproportionately, for the purpose of modding a mobile phone.
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
no no no, we have a misunderstood here... it's hard, but it possible, but toonon have right: if we do something like that, it will be like open a Pandora 's box .. So, it's really doesn't worth the try...

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[Defy General] pranks1989:
Yes he is right.. Very right! Imagine a fake site with valid signatures of VISA(to fool the merchant) charges your credit card?! = Doomsday!
[Defy General] Kaffeekranz:
You guys are a little paranoid.
[Defy General] @non4:
I know, hackers have a million ways to get what they want, we just don't often notice because the flaw gets patched quickly. Look at yahoo mail having thousands of passwords stolen, they have all the tools they need anyway

Sent from the real world by hacking into the matrix
[Defy General] adamo3957:
So why give them another, if you walked down the wrong street and somebody pulled a knife on you, you wouldn't give them a gun because you needed a gun.

I know I would rather have my email broken into and robbed via Google than have them crack my bank account!
[Defy General] @non4:
You make a valid point, but I'm sure hackers know enough to have tried this sort of thing anyway. As long as you're not directly posting a method to crack a bank account I don't see the problem

Sent from the real world by hacking into the matrix
[Defy General] yodawg:
Sounds like bullsh*t to me, sorry.
[Defy General] josuearisty:
Dont give up! ;)
[Defy General] sUpErwHoO:
From locked boot loaders to getting mugged! Another reason I love the defy! :p

The method they used for the atrix, the sbf hunt? What happened to that?
[Defy General] jurgen99:
Guys sorry but....What is bootloader?
[Defy General] josuearisty:
Google! :D
[Defy General] hsrars-d:
Its the thing that initializes the hardware of a phone, like BIOS in a computer.
[Defy General] hackergnome:
Lets get back on the point... okay?
[Defy General] yodawg:
Ok. So I still think that kexec is the way to go (if any). Problem: (Re)initializing wrigley.
[Defy General] sUpErwHoO:
There is no way to re initialize the radio module once we unlock the device? Isn't that the draw back of the kexec method? Again, not a dev, just someone with a genuine doubt! :)
[Defy General] hsrars-d:
Kexec does not unlock the device, it just bypasses bootloader and loads another kernel.

Problem with Defy is that the radio module (calls,sms,3g) can not be reinitialized.

We could bypass it (i think) but Defy would be completely useless as a phone because calls,sms,3g would not work
[Defy General] marhensa:
smartphone without phone function..

is just a smart device.. :D

that's why quarx abandon kexec project.

maybe someday, there's a way.. :fingers-crossed:
[Defy General] G00fY2:
I think there won't be a solution to use custom kernels in next time. But just like new pvr driver our devs will maybe use modules to replace parts of the locked kernel to add new functionality.
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
A Long time ago, I also thought that modules for kernel could be the solution for this... but someone said that's not going to work, ignore why....

But, I still believe that, for example, some of linaro features could be implemented in modules way.

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[Defy General] yodawg:
The lack of documentation for wrigley is afaik the main problem, so nobody knows how to shutdown the device.

What are Linaro features?
[Defy General] hsrars-d:
http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Wrigley_3G

Hmmm...

Is it this Wrigley?

IF Texas Instruments is the manufacturer, maybe we could contact TI via email to ask if there is any docs or stuff that might help us?
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
I don't want to stop questions of amateurs, really!

But Please don't ask questions already answered multiple times.

First, search this thread and the thread I linked in this post with different keywords an synonyms.

If you can't find anything. We'll be happy to answer your question(s).

And what the most people here are doing is Discussing, not Developing.

Discussions should be in this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1443678&highlight=bootloader

Don't get me wrong, I only want two things:

1) separate discussion and development

2) prevent the same questions multiple times
[Defy General] marhensa:
^ also...

if you guys wanna be heard by motorola, at least discuss it here.. :)

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/1d48c14081
[Defy General] Kaffeekranz:
The last time we tried to contact them they weren't much of help.

Most of their documentation isn't public anyway and for a good reason, as they reassured.
[Defy General] NI55AN:
Anyone tried contacting Google to see what they think.... they do own Motorola now, right?
[Defy General] 57op:
Yes, i thought the same some days ago.

Motorola doesn't listen to his customers, but will also google do the same?

I think that everyone who owns a motorola phone should move by this way.

So, is there anyone who knows how to contact Google?

In order to get what we want, we (all together) must blame google right now.
[Defy General] AnTerNoZ:
Google Inc.

1600 Amphitheatre Parkway

Mountain View, CA 94043

USA

telefon: +1 650 253 0000

fax: +1 650 253 0001

E-Mail: support-de@google.com

Jelly powered.Defy
[Defy General] NI55AN:
I'm in UK is there no email...can't seem to find one?
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
Yes, only the german site has an mail-adress because it's statutory duty for german sites to provide an imprint and an mail address :P

BTW it would be better if someone who lives inside the US would call Google via phone, because emails won't be read at all.
[Defy General] NI55AN:
just be nice... at first. Just ask where they stand on this sort of thing.

Try to talk about how many people joined the petition and motorola's response... which was complete rubbish lol
[Defy General] nidhish91:
If I get the USA no. Then I can skype them

S3nt fr0m my D3fy/w1u1 GB st4BL3
[Defy General] pranks1989:
Can we sue Moto?! In different countries? I know US,Aus have tough laws for these things unlike India! Check my signature for link to Moto forum where we were discussing that
[Defy General] Tim_Pan:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1522226

How about this?
[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
Lol.....nice idea....but the thing is...even if however bad moto is it is still a multi billion dollar company......and common people suing would result in only one thing.....us being thrown even down into the gutter.....even when apple is suing using so much of their own resources....think about the huge amount of money and influence we would need to bring about even a small change in their practices.....
[Defy General] pranks1989:
But here it is about asking rights from the company for something we paid for! I am not sure but Indian Consumer court might help(and it is strong! I have seen the power though it was more in a personal level!)! I will c when possible for me.. Else we can have a forum, a group in different countries filing these case....
[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
A PIL maybe???
[Defy General] royale1223:
I'm not sure if Indian Consumer Court will work. But it will only cost a white paper and some ink. Definitely worth a try.
[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
Knowing what happens in India.....either it will moved to court and stay there fr years..but worth a try fr sure....
[Defy General] royale1223:
Consumer court is supposed to be super fast. Rulings within weeks!! We might not win, but we can definitely give them a hard time. There must be like 500 Indian defy users in xda. What if we all file complaints one at a time each week? That should keep their arses burning for a while. LOL
[Defy General] pranks1989:
Now that is the best idea!! :D
[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
What idea to minors like me.......can u go too????? I am only 16....so don't have full voting rights yet........
[Defy General] josuearisty:
This is not just a small change in their practices, this is something future moto owners will have to remenber, cant you imagine the best hardware along with an unlocked and unencrypted bootloader?

They are not even thinking about that, if they would they were the 2nd androids best seller not so far from samsung!
[Defy General] swapnil360:
+1

Sent from an 8085 Microprocessor