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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tomsimmons:
Thanks for you replies.

Does funky battery mean weird readings on how long it will last/how charged it is, or that the battery will be scoffed faster than it as under Windows?

I changed the timeout for the display already, that only affects the timeout once you are actually in and using.

I haven't tried Gingerbread yet, sounds like a new release is due soon so I'll wait until then. Is the battery and speed equal/better/worse than this?

Tom
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mbellot:
Battery accuracy is low. If you want "better" (marginally) go to the Market and download "Battery Left", it seems to be slightly more stable than the system once you get it calibrated.

Battery life is definitely worse than WinMo, but depending on use it's not bad. I used to get ~ 1.5 days in WinMo, I could get just over 24 hours in FRX7.1 when I was running it (have moved on to OMGB).

GB is (or at least feels) much snappier than Froyo IMHO. Battery accuracy is a function of the kernel, so it's about the same in either.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tomsimmons:
Thanks for you replies.

I'll try the other batter monitor.

It wasn't so much the battery monitor but life I was wondering about under GB.

Is OMGB different to GB?

One thing I've never been sure about with Android is whether it closes apps or minimises them when you hit back/home? If it's just minimising or even suspending them, is that using more CPU, hence more battery? I know on a tablet I had there was an app that went round tidying things up every 10 minutes or something.

Tom
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Android uses memory differently then WinMo. You shouldn't go out of your way to kill apps unless they're misbehaving. Android has a very good built-in garbage collection system, there's no need to have an app that 'tidys up' every 10 minutes. That's ludicrous lol.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] fortunz:
Big sale on the android market, 10 apps a day for 10 days marked down to 10 cents. I can't get the ones I'm after just now due t device incompatibility.

Edit: Was going to ask how to spoof another device so I could grab them on sale, but nevermind, finally got the right search term. Looking into build.prop now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mbellot:
OMGB is Gingerbread based, but it completely replaces WinMo and runs out of on-board flash ("nand").

It's in development stages now, battery life (so far) is definitely worse.

FRX7.1 would get me 24 hours easy (with light usage), OMGB is half or less based on what I've seen over the handful of days I've been using it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kk0813:
What do we need to do to buy it? I tried and every app is showing as not compatible. Color and draw, paper camera are compatible, but when I try it always asks me to sign in. It's not showing the purchase page. I am trying through computer browser.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] fortunz:
I'm still trying to pull it off myself, but you might be able to edit your build.prop with a new build description and fingerprint to trick the market into thinking your device is compatible. It might not let you run it, but hopefully at that point you could at least buy it and have it for later. See here for a little more detail: http://forums.miui.us/showthread.ph...ertain-apps-from-Android-Market-on-MIUI/page2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kptkill:
Care to elaborate on what you found? I tried to follow the steps here, but it caused my phone to never exit the xdaandroid loading screen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Random build.prop settings are a bad idea. Isn't there another way, like that Market Enabler app?

I've never really looked into it, I haven't run into an app that was incompatible (yes, I don't use many apps :rolleyes:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] fortunz:
I think market enabler is about region/carrier, whereas I believe the reason I can't buy the items I want is device incompatibility. It might be worth a shot though.

@kptkill, look at post just above yours, that link is pretty much what I found.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
I was under the impression it handled any reason apps don't show - basically enabling any apps to show.

I could be wrong tho, I honestly have never tried to 'force' compatibility.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] fortunz:
Step 1: copy /system/build.prop to microsd

Step 2: edit various identity elements to trick market. Still haven't nailed this well enough to fool the market, but here's a couple links to try out:

http://androidandme.com/2011/05/new...flix-app-on-your-android-phone-root-required/

http://forums.miui.us/showthread.ph...ertain-apps-from-Android-Market-on-MIUI/page2

step 3: bind/mount via conf http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1066886&highlight=conf

I've successfully edited and mounted the custom build.prop, but the problem is with step 2, getting the right info to fool the market. I'm still working on it. If anyone finds the right elements to change, please post them. Thanks.

Edit: I gave up, borrowed a friend's nook color, made my own sd install from that, logged into the market, and now I have one more compatible device so it will let me make purchases on some of the sale items. Hopefully there's some good ones over the next few days.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tomsimmons:
Lummy!

Well I'm afraid that I'm reverting to Windows. I like android, it looks good, has all the functionality, but sadly where I live is a poor mobile reception anyway, so I need all the battery life I can get. Using Froyo I've not even been seeing a day out.

I'll keep an eye on things, but I suspect I'll have to soldier on until I decide to get a new phone. Problem is there just aren't many with a keyboard, and my pound of pork bangers don't work too well on these tiny touch screens!

Tom
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jonners59:
Gosh. How do you get 1.5 days per charge. I carry 2 batts about with me and really need 3 to do a whole day and I am not a heavy user!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] HappyKhicken:
I'm attempting to theme my XDAndroid TP2 by following these steps here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=14514109&postcount=1516

Everything was going fine until I had to put the framework-res.apk back into the phone and I'm not sure how. Tried using Droid Explorer in debugging mode and sending it that way. Won't transfer. I'm not sure what else to do, can anyone help?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] aedon:
Try android commander.

I don't know if it will pick up the tp2 or not but its worth a shot. I think its a lot easier to use then Droid explorer.

In anycase if your using Droid explorer and managed to pull the files out, just navigate back to the same folder.

First delete the original, then paste the new one in and then reboot back into android.

At least that's how I remember doing it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
You need to remount the system RW.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mbellot:
You'll have to define "not a heavy user" to make any kind of meaningful comparison.

I was getting 24-30 hours out of FRX7.1 with the following setup and usage:

Only one widget (Battery Left) running on the home screen

No WiFi or BT use but data/3G turned on all the time

Syncing three POP email accounts with K-9 email client

Limited calling (< 30 minutes / day typical)

Intermittent use playing games (< 30 minutes / day)

Minimal texting and web browsing

I modified the standard FRX7.1 to use the latest rootfs and kernel at the time (rootfs-20111019-8404718.zip and htc-msm-linux-20111017_080427-package.tar.bz2) as well as replaced the default launcher with Zeam.

If you are seeing really lousy battery life you may want to look into an app called "Battery Calibration". All it does is delete the current battery calibration file and force the system to create a new one. I've had reasonable results getting more meaningful information from the battery once I did the re-cal (it's not perfect, but it seems better).

I actually think that was my problem with OMGB. It was originally telling me ~ 8-12 hours of battery life. I'm midway through the re-cal process and the phone has been on battery power for 26 hours straight so far (with 40-50% shown as remaining!).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] svarasnj:
Is kernel website down? been checking it for the past couple days but no luck
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20041856&postcount=921

Just be warned, there are ALL kernels here. .27, .35 and .39. If the kernel only has a date, it's .27. If it has .35 or .39... well then it's not .27 now is it? Please stick to .27 kernels unless you know what you're getting into!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] geminix2:
How can I get rid of Google "Voice Search?" Near as I can tell it's why nothing can get ahold of the blooming microphone and changing the 'voice recognizer' setting to Vlingo does absolutely nothing. Vlingo still can't get to the mic while "Voice Search" still does. Memo recorders don't work, Voice Dialer hears nothing, Skyvi is deaf, etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
I have no clue what you're talking about, Voice Search works great. Why do you think getting rid of it will solve anything?

I guess I can try these other apps, never heard of Vlingo, Memo Recorder, Voice Dialer or Skyvi.

You know voice search is much more than just search, right? I use it as a memo recorder, as a voice dialer, and I have no clue what the others are.

Edit - reading about Vlingo, why not just use Voice Search? Unless I'm missing something, it can do everything that Vlingo app can do. "Navigate to Pizza Hut", "Call <name in phone book>", "Text <name> <text>", "Email <email> <subject> <body>" the list goes on and on and on.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] geminix2:
microphone

I didn't mean to say Voice Search itself is broke. I said, near as I can tell, it won't let ANY thing else connect to the microphone so those things won't work. I base that theory on it being the only app the microphone ever works for.

I wanted something that would record sounds to MP3, HQ-MP3, and a Siri clone, Skyvi. Neither can get to the microphone.

I presume Voice Dialer was in the base package because it's in the program list and there's no uninstall option.

I also wanted a guitar tuner but after the above I didn't bother.

Yeah, I know.

Well, they think it's better than sliced bread but I don't know because I can't try Vlingo despite making it the voice recognizer in settings.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] lilkrazzie:
Hey all. I normally have android installed on my vogue, but a friend is giving me his tp2 soon and I was wondering if anyone can tell me how good android runs on the tp2 cdma as of now.

According to what I've read so far, it looks like it runs normally fine except for BT and some USB problems and wifi on WEP but fixable.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] moharu:
install nand omgb
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jonners59:
Well not as much as you!

Zero widgets

No WiFi or BT use but data/3G turned on all the time

Syncing four IMAP email accounts with Googlemail email client

Limited calling (< 30 minutes / day typical)

Intermittent use playing games - the boys once every two or so weeks.

Minimal 3 SMS per day

I think I need to try this app out. How does it work? Do you fully charge and start the calibrate and then finish when the battery kills the phone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Well, I wouldn't start blaming Voice Search because it's the only thing that works :rolleyes:

Don't get the point of Siri, and I guess I can understand wanting to record memo's to actual files. (lol @ HQ-MP3)

Correct, you would have to remove it from the system image.

If it's free, I don't see why you don't try. All this whining and not a single log too... I guess I'll have to try them all out mahself...

Edit - well I tried 'em out and sure enough no audio. I'm pretty sure this is an issue with how the app is requesting the mic - it must be intrinsically different than how the mic is requested thru Voice Search - I'm running an experimental acoustic build, which is really spammy in the log messages. I saw this when I tried to use Vlingo:

12-09 09:09:56.720 V/Libacoustic-wince( 1278): msm72xx_set_audio_path: device=1 Mic = 0, DualMic = 0, Speaker = 1, Headset = 0

Which tells me it's not flipping the mic on. Why? That's the mystery. I'll try to pursue it with the developers.

That's pretty much it. USB problems = no mass storage (it's running off the SD card). The risk is minimal, again since it's running off the SD. There's still a lot of other random issues that seem to vary user-to-user. Example, some still have serious problems with the phone rebooting - I haven't experienced a reboot in a very long time. Also, if you're in a low service area our RIL still isn't flawless - it'll often cause the phone to lock up. If you disable data only, however, this seems to resolve the problems (if you know you're going to be a in a low/no service area.)

You're helpful :rolleyes:. How about you help the new people a little before throwing them at hands down the hardest way to install Android right now? Yeesh.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mbellot:
That's correct. Put the phone on charge (overnight preferably) and when it's at 100% you hit the "calibrate" button to delete the current cal data and then unplug the phone.

I just did it with my phone running OMGB and was shocked at the change. The system was giving me estimates of 8-12 hours worth of use so I ran this and found out that the actual run time was 38.5 hours! :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] geminix2:
I don't know how this system is structured but obviously the microphone physically works, because Voice Search hears it, and it's not unheard of for things to grab exclusive use of devices. As I said, it was just a theory and I was going to test it, except I couldn't remove it.

Well, it's just that after 3 or 4 it seemed sorta pointless to keep doing the same thing with the same result but, ok, I downloaded two. No microphone.

My apologies, but I don't know where to even look for a log file.

Thank you. Interesting problem and I presume those apps work in other phones or else there'd be a stampede of complaints. That's why I suspected Voice Search was somehow grabbing exclusive access but I suppose someone might have done a 'special fix' for just Voice Search.

Edit more info - Hi-Q MP3 did manage to get ahold of the microphone *once*, while an update/install was going on. Maybe not related but it made me wonder if something was temporarily disabled during the install that let Hi-Q sneak on through to the mic because next time I tried it was back to stone deaf.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
You can (with Titanium Backup or some adb trickery) but I can pretty much guarantee that's not the problem.

There's a FAQ that has a wiki page just for logs.

Yea, our port isn't perfect. Not every app works 100%, but that's true with native Android devices too... However most probably don't have basic audio routing problems (I hope!!).

Anyhoo, 2 things.

1. I tried these apps on NAND/OMGB. Surprisingly the Vlingo app seemed to work great - it picked up my voice and executed all the commands, but it kept giving an error that it missed the first part of what I said and I should try respeaking - then it would proceed to do the action anyways, very strange. I also installed Skyvi, and that app just straight up force closes every time I try to run it. I haven't done much debugging here yet.

2. Have you tried the old voicemail trick? This used to be required to get the mic to work in phone calls even. Basically before you boot Android, while in WinMo call your voicemail (or some other line that won't hang up) and flip the speakerphone on. Now with this call still running, boot Android. The call should drop as soon as you see A N D R O I D shortly before the boot animation. This might just force the mic always on, I'm not positive as to what it does, but again this used to fix issues in the past where the mic wouldn't turn on when it was supposed to, so it's worth a shot if you really want to use these apps ;).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] svarasnj:
Titanium back upapp: Installed in successfully but it said that the phone has to be rooted otherwise the back up is impossible? I thought it've been rooted right from the get go? Whats the solution to it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] JDog2pt0:
It is rooted. So the popup asking for root permissions is not appearing? Or is the app just telling you it needs root permission (as in informing you) and you're just mistaking it for an error of sorts.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
This build is rooted. Sometimes (not sure why) the SU app doesn't request for permission in time. Just try try again, it should.

My theory - people don't wait long enough for the phone to settle after boot, and try to run an app that requests root rights - the phone doesn't have enough oomph to get the SU app to show in time, and the app that originally requests root times out. Trying again usually gets it for me. You *might* have to manually kill TB and re-run it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] JDog2pt0:
^This

Most of the time I'd have to start an app twice for the pop-up to appear. Otherwise the app would hang or not run correctly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] AkumaX:
^^ what he said
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] svarasnj:
Ok here it is. I rebooted it and here's the message: "sorry, I could not acquire root privileges. This app will*not* work! Please verify that your ROM is rooted and includes BusyBox, and try again".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Did you follow my suggestion? Wait, kill app, wait some more, try try again?

Patience is more than a virtue when working with this port/phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] JDog2pt0:
Go here

http://matrixrewriter.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TB+-+User's+guide#Requirements

And read through first start
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] svarasnj:
Yep, that actually helped. I killed it, and when I started it back up again. boom and it's working fine now. Patience is a key w/ these apps. Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] JDog2pt0:
I've got another question regarding logging. I've figured out how to get a log from Haret, and I've used GetLogs to get Kernel and System logs. However, I can still see information passing on the screen when Android boots that isn't present in any of the logs. I was wondering if there was a way to get that information.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
For what purpose...?

That stuff is from boot - messages from init and initrd running, etc. Typically you wouldn't even see that stuff, it should really be hidden by a boot logo.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] HappyKhicken:
I'm not sure what you mean by this...

Also, Aedon, it won't let me delete or replace the original file. Copy yes, but delete/replace no.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] teemo:
Neither did I the first time I read about it. But hey, that's why we have google and a button on these pages called search. If you want all the latest cool goodness for your TP2, you need to get to know the value of search.

Here's what a search would tell you:

In a terminal window you can write:

mount -o remount,rw /system

It will make your system folder writeable.

Do it from your device with "terminal emulator" or via PC with the debug tool called ADB.

A third option would be using "root explorer" on the device. It is very easy, but I find the other methods are more reliable.

Read some pages about basic Linux operations. It is a must, to get the most of your device.

Happy modding :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jonners59:
mbellot

Well I have installed and I am trying it out. I had a little trouble at first in that the 100% was below the 4,200 that it suggests it should be at 100%. But I redid the cal a couple of times and got close. I have not seen a great deal of improvement, but may be 10 to 20%...

I am also using Data on Demand app which shuts down data, thus saving battery life when not in use. It's quite good, but not 100% as it can take it's time to starting up the data connection at times, though that may just be to do with the build.

Perhaps the old config has damaged the batteries as I have been running one or other of the builds for some time.

Whatever, many thanks for suggesting the app.

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Almost a yipee!:D

I connected my phone to the car via BT last night, and got voice! Staggered and well chuffed I was.

Tried again this AM and it would not work. I tinkered a bit with both phone and car, namely turned off headset on the car settings and turned it back on again, and disconnected and reconnected on the phone and it worked again. Tried again later in the day and it would not work again... tried some of the things I did earlier and still no success - BUT, I feel close. I must be hitting the right buttons somewhere.

I shall persevere and get back with whatever combination worked regularly.:confused:

PS The car is a Renault Espace 2007...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jeme3:
Please help with my problem how do I restart or completely shutdown my phone in FRX07.1, i tried all things which I used to do in windows but non worked
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jonners59:
Hold down the on/off button top left of the phone. It will then give you 3 options, one is shut down. Select and when asked confirm by selecting OK.....

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How do I back up the desktop... short-cuts, widgets and folders, with contacts....? Anyone know how? Titanium doesn't, which is a shame.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Problem is that doesn't always work.

Soft reset or pulling the battery always does :D.

I just use ADW. It's able to backup icons... For whatever reason widgets get backed up but they're always busted so you have to remove/readd them.

Never used folders, but I assume it backs those up...?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] MXT3:
I already tried xdandroid sometimes in the past, just to play with, but I never considered it as an alternative. But now I installed FRX7.1, and it's really smooth and stable. I am also very curious to explore the wide world of the android market :p

But my exploration is hindered by a strange bug. When I turn on wifi, it starts, scans, and finds all the networks of my neighbours, but not mine. The network is secured with WPA, and I've never had problems with it. It has a long SSID, but I don't think that this is a problem? Can somebody help me out?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
The only thing I can think of is the band - I assume it's broadcasting B/G on 2.4ghz? I guess would you mind trying to change your SSID? Just make it something simple to at least rule that out.. you make it sound like you've written a sentence for your SSID :p.

Wifi usually "just works"
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] MXT3:
Thank you for your reply, arrrghhh. A shorter ssid didn't help, and it's not a giant sentence, it's just a bit longer than the other ssids :p

I've downloaded a little program that annalyses the networks:

Has the high amplitude something to do with my problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] MXT3:
Forget what I said about the amplitude, higher amplitude is stronger signal. Quite obvious...:o

and I forgot to confirm: Band is 2.4ghz
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] rpierce99:
I think it's more likely the channel, don't let it go above 11 and see if that helps, our software might be set up for the US channel scheme (1-11)