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[Defy General] Passa91:
Sorry, but that's nonsense. The locked bootloader has nothing to do with the average user. The locked bootloader is so that power users like ourselves cannot extend the life of our hardware. My Motorola Defy has sufficient hardware to meet my smartphone needs. But it is hamstrung by the locked bootloader. Motorola want me to replace my phone when it reaches not even a year and a half in age.

Well I'm done with Motorola. I ordered a HTC One V a few days ago (as a stop-gap until the next wave of Nexus devices) and it arrives tomorrow. I thought my Defy was a great phone - in spite of how terrible a company Motorola is. That just tells you how hopeless they are - people love their products, but hate the company, and eventually have to promise never to buy their products again.

This was my first and last Motorola handset, at least as long as their existing practices continue. Stop buying their goddamn phones.
[Defy General] Auris 1.6 vvt-i:
I disagree. The locked bootloader is a great insurance for the regular user, who doesn't have too much knowledge but is ready and willing to try new ROM's. The locked bootloader is a great feature to him, as it can not be overwriten, therefore the phone can be always returned to life, no matter what the user did to it.

I have dealt with chinese GPS PNA that a user had flashed with a wrong SW - it was completely bricked and was impossible to flash the correct firmware... well, at least not without a JTAG, which AFAIK is pretty darn expensive and not everyone has it or knows how to use it. This, my friend, wouldn't have happened if the PNA had a locked bootloader (like Defy does ;)). That's the reason why I think it is a great feature and insurance to the regular users. :)
[Defy General] sebx_g1:
Agree !!! But it should be an option to unlock bootloader for advanced users .
[Defy General] Kaffeekranz:
I don't believe in dumbing down devices. Our locked bootloader was made so there would be no custom roms at all, safety for the USER was just a side effect. As countless threads around here have proven there are still hardbricks and there will always be as long as users don't read up on what they're doing.

Better give them the freedom to really make use of their device instead of giving them a safe with telephone ability.
[Defy General] adi4motion:
this is the only upside of locked bootloader. the phone is virtually unbrickable...
[Defy General] tarunyad:
Well if u just wants to call msg n take pics ...nokia is great device ;)most of the android users wants more thn just tht..n locked bootloader is limiting thr usability
[Defy General] maniac103:
This isn't true. The bootloader can be overwritten with a single shell command, leaking to a device bricked to death. JTAG is disabled thanks to the locking, so the device is junk in that case.

The only thing achieved by the locked bootloader is that only Motorola signed kernels can be run. The locking is only about code executed by the bootloader, not the bootloader itself. I don't think there's advantage for the user in that...
[Defy General] mihovil13:
Obviously you forgot that a regular user doesn't root his device (by that he doesn't flash anything).
[Defy General] mfelipe:
It could always be worse... you could be using iOS!

My girlfriend don't get it when I say I prefer my trashed Defy over a brand new iPhone. The power of modding is addictive, even in small doses. :)
[Defy General] Passa91:
Umm. This is very very wrong, all of it. A locked bootloader dramatically increases the risk of tinkering for the average user. What if a user flashes an SBF for the Defy+ on their Defy? Suddenly they lose camera and can't get it back because their BL version is too high to revert.

Samsung devices have totally unlocked bootloaders, and are also pretty much impossible to brick. Nexus devices are totally unlocked and again, are pretty much impossible to brick. The locked bootloader only serves the interests of Motorola, don't believe their BS that tells you otherwise.

And remember - stop buying their phones!
[Defy General] brajesh.sharma87:
Haha, too many people are thinking like me. :D

I got 2 spots in the lcd and that's a perfect excuse for me to dump moto and take a new unlocked bootloader handset of some other brand. F**k u moto.

By the time moto realises their mistake, people will move on and will never give moto a chance. Sad for us that we wasted a lot of money on it.

In india, people dont buy a moto handset, defy is the most sold android handset by moto. I too love my defy but being a green lense user and the disablity to boot a custom kernel actually sucks.

Sent from my MOTO DEFY
[Defy General] MazaMoto:
LOL.

BTW, now that the Motorola acquisition by Google is completely over yesterday, Lets see how Google / Moto handles the business now. Anyone having any good friend working at Google can provide some input may be.

At least now Google should ask moto heads to release the unlocked Bootloaders.

(Best if they release a official ICS for defy... dream on)
[Defy General] yodawg:
if this is true - wouldn't that mean that one could theoretically flash a non-signed bootloader over the signed one?
[Defy General] maniac103:
No. The startup code burned into the CPU will only execute signed code.

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[Defy General] idoavni99:
Bypass Locked Bootloader

Maybe you can flash the kernel modules so they will not replace the default modules and run after the boot so they bypass the bootloader and load with the default modules
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
A few days before this, moto published a roadmap to ICS on his devices... And guess what? Defy+ stays on gingerbread and regular defy on froyo. Even worst! Atrix are in "study" to be updated (yes, a powerful device like Atrix doesn't even count for moto).

If that happen with Atrix almighty, there is a dark future for defy owners...

You can check this here: Motorola ICS Schedule

BTW, recently I had bought a new defy (again), because my old one was stolen :( , I tried to get another Android but my operator (tigo) doesn't have to much quality options at good prices but, when times comes , I'm going to buy xperia p and sell this, because I'm tired to deal with locked bl and load infinite modules in kernel to give some extra power to my defy.

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[Defy General] SuperSkill:
Come on, Motorola have great phones, I've never had a touch phone with battery like this. As for bootloader, oooo yes, much better when open, it's nearly impossible to brick then too, but unlocked bootloader gives so incredibly much more opportunities, like otf(on the fly kernels) and other FREE development. Defy is a great phone, but my o2x are way better for modding. I know many disagree but this is my opinion and experience. BTW, if all goes wrong with my o2x we have a software for devs that can flash a complete Stockrom and choosable version, not only a couple if you wanna root again:)

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[Defy General] @non4:
I'm curious, this thread has pretty low activity, has there been any breakthroughs or progress? Don't mean to butt in, I'm just desperate for the possibilities an unlocked bootloader could bring :D

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[Defy General] the-xda-guy:
This project is dead
[Defy General] popcorn1122:
No point now.

Promises broken.

Move ahead by buying an unlocked bootloaded device by doing a research.
[Defy General] @non4:
That sucks, at least people have brought good roms together through workarounds :) I am likely to get a one x or a galaxy s3 next, which would be easier to unlock it? I know both Samsung and HTC tend to make it easy, but I don't want to do it officially by HTC because the void warranty is then not reversible, simply because they know! D:

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[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
If you want to change, change to Sony. They are giving open devices with good support and beautiful devices. Like I always said: it's a shame for Motorola because they make good devices despite the horrible bootloader policy.

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[Defy General] @non4:
Yes Sony may be better actually, any news on when they might enter the world of quad core + huge screen? Because that is why I one one of those, the xperia s is pretty good though, might get that both for the fact that it should have better rom support and because its a lot cheaper

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[Defy General] Auris 1.6 vvt-i:
I've been thinking... I've been mining for Bitcoins for over a year now with a Saphire HD5870 - many of you know it is probably the best graphics card for calculating hashes out there - about 450 Megahashes per second. I know that some people are using its huge calculation power for unlocking phones... Isn't there a way to use a bunch of these cards to unlock the damn bootloader?

If there is a way and if there is anyone able to put up some unlock code application, I would deffinitely volunteer with my 450 Megaheshes per second to try and breack the unlock code...
[Defy General] @non4:
Now that's dedication :) hopefully someone can make good on this :O

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[Defy General] m11kkaa:
That has been already tried with milestone(do they use the same key like defy?):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=921013
[Defy General] sonyc2011:
The key is diferent but the Milestone project never started... To bad...

In the future i will change my phone whit an unlocked one... Sony or HTC, maybe Samsung... I don't know... But i will keep my Defy... It is the best phone ever...

Edit: This is what i read on a forum:

"Sorry, RSA-1024 is current out of reach of this and all other open factoring projects. While trial factoring will succeed, it will most likely take longer than the current age of the universe. Your only real hope is to exploit a hardware weakness, as in http://www.merit.edu/events/mmc/pdf/2010_pellegrini.pdf, or buy another phone. An HTC perhaps?"
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
Did anyone ever tried an hardware-hack?

Is there any debug-console? (if so it will be locked, I think).
[Defy General] nikolas60:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L__rZXGyvfs IS THAT FAKE IT SAYS A WEBSITE ON THE VIDEO
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
hardware-hack it's possible. In another thread like this, right here on defy Android development, someone achieve it. But that's not the way for regular users (like me) who doesn't have advanced knowledge on hardware. Maybe a grid computer work, like seti@home or genome, can hack the key of the bl.

We need someone with this knowledge.

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[Defy General] AeroFlip:
Kinda like Folding?
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
That's right but for me it would be very interesting to try some things with an hardware hack.

It would be great if you can find the thread so I can try this way myself after my warranty is void.
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
seen in this thread... searching it's something difficult...http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1443678
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
This is the thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1199450

There seems to be a way to change the bootmode to USB or eMMC(sdcard) via hardware.

A crazy Project :)
[Defy General] brajesh.sharma87:
m11kkaa, if u remember it correctly, that guy (scholbert) took part in our defy bootloader unlock project too. But he too couldn't do anything. :(
[Defy General] NI55AN:
Good luck. (Not meaning it sarcastically) but I hope you have success.
[Defy General] santi1993:
a bit late, but not totally, i'm very hyped about that
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
I will not try this for now, because I still have warranty and Defy is my only phone.

Maybe in future, just to play with custom-kernels(if I will have success).

However there will be no big community around such a hardware-mod because most people don't have the knowledge and the nervous to disassemble and solder their phone.
[Defy General] darkfuture:
then ???
[Defy General] GodSlayer:
How about we take a brake from the bootloader, and try to find the best way to make ROMs faster not through the kernel? Perhaps if we focus on one kernel and see if there is any way to work with it.
[Defy General] josuearisty:
Good idea! Developers will decide.
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
I think this it's the way that many of us are taking...:cool:

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[Defy General] Moises_sto_zn:
Sorry my noob question, but what makes it impossible to unlock the bootloader defy?

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[Defy General] @non4:
The simple fact that noone knows how!

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[Defy General] paul.d051990:
I had my defy unlocked, yeah the bootloader

Ok, so I decided to ask around in my city and see if someone knows how to unlock it. Succes, it got unlocked, but when they flashed the 2.2.2 rom at my request it started to give a lot of erros, it booted up, worked ok, but again a lot of errors and some hang-up's. So if ANY SMART DEVELOPER CAN GO FORWARD FROM THERE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS IF IT STARTED TO GIVE ERORS. Oh yeah, and i had the latest bootloader unlocked, yep, bootloader 7!!! So any sugestions?
[Defy General] walter79:
unlocked bootloader? sure ?
[Defy General] evolution1g:
Boot loader unlock or sim unlock ? :excited:
[Defy General] GodSlayer:
Just one question because I didn't follow too much:

What driver / piece of kernel is missing for the full HWA? What doesn't allow it?
[Defy General] bone101:
Quarx should know the anwser .....
[Defy General] Moises_sto_zn:
Already have ever managed to unlock bootloader? And if some developer get correct these errors?

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[Defy General] @non4:
Please share your method, and would it work on older bootloader?

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[Defy General] zakoo2:
i doubt that anyone ever unlocked our bl, as only moto knows the way. and the thing that is missing from our device for full hwa is a few opengl extensions in the gpu driver. those are implemented in the ics driver, but were still stuck with the froyo/gb one.

does anyone know how the atrix bl was unlocked? what did they use? how was it locked? anything?

sent from my cm7 defy...
[Defy General] labsin:
Look for Project Cheesecake for other devices.

They looked for updates on dev servers in the hope someone uploaded a hidden update in a 'wrong'/public place.

Thought they found one with an unlocked bootloader.
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
1024 RSA key... That's the barrier for a better and easy development.... I'm still waiting for someone with grid computer knowledge that made a grid computer project to break that signed key.

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[Defy General] bharaththeunique:
Dude....go to dat shop again where u got it unlocked if u r sure abt it.....go there n try to convince that Guy to tell d method.....if this is true...this may b huge....HUGE!!!!!!!....

Btw abt the errors try flashing a bl6 2.3.6 sbf n see if it persists.....
[Defy General] jassi32:
i am not a developer first of all ,

what i got till today is that , signed kernel can only be flashed , and at present we have froyo kernel with us .....

i don't how kernel file is made , to the developers if we make one ,

can we extract the sign from froyo kernel and somehow insert it in ICS custom kernel ?

or a program that can bypass the unsigned kernel and work for us . ?

or can if some of us know good hardware hacker , can we tell them hack this thing for us , motorola won't do for us , atleast we should start getting help from other developers who have unlocked bootloaders in past ..........

one thing more if some gets unlocked bootloader somehow , the person can make signed ICS rom nandriod for us , so that we can restore it nd make it work ..... ?

can't say or imagine that one day we will have unlocked bootloader for our defy , to get roms working perfectly for us .....

anyways thank to all developers
[Defy General] Kaffeekranz:
The answer to pretty much everyone of your questions is "no".
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
I'm going to investigate about grid computer, to see if we can do something about this

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[Defy General] androidtester80:
n00b question: what happens if I try the method described here http://www.redmondpie.com/root-nexus-7-on-android-4.1-jelly-bean-unlock-bootloader-and-flash-clockworkmod-recovery-how-to-tutorial/
[Defy General] kanpurite:
I believe after the fourth step it would ask you to enter the key to unlock , which only motorola is capable of providing .
[Defy General] kadopt:
There's no fastboot for defy.
[Defy General] kanpurite:
Just says 'waiting for device'
[Defy General] Kayant:
well if it was that easy everyone would have had it unlocked already.... like kadopt said defy doesn't have fastboot or it's super hidden so that method wouldn't work and it's not the same process for all phones.... but seriously Kaffeekranz is right the answer to everyone's question is no..... motorola will probably never unlock their devices it's best everyone moves to samsung which have their bootloader unlocked from factory or htc with some hackery you can get s-off or unlock it via htc dev..... This thread as lost it's original purpose - which was to search for updates on motorola servers hoping to find an stock update that allowed the bootloader to be unlocked like on the atrix but now it's just a mess.... it really should just be closed now....
[Defy General] juried:
Such a pity there are no real replacements for the Defy wrt to robustness, waterproofness, small size. All the other options are so... huge. If there was, I would have chucked my Motorola Defy on ebay long ago.
[Defy General] yodawg:
Maybe we (or, to be more precise, the developers) should try different approaches! for example, there are also methods like kexec/2ndboot which allow the running kernel via a kernel module to load another (custom) kernel without an actual reboot so that the bootloader is somehow bypassed.

afaik the only problem was the modem not being initialized correctly and thus causing a crash of the phone. but shouldn't this be solvable, or at least easier to do than searching for a vulnerability in the bootloader?

just my 2 cents ;)
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
In another thread like this, which was closed, quarx published a conversation with some advanced dev which achieved kexec in other devices. In short, Kexec way will literally burn radio of our devices, so isn't a safe way to unlock for our defy.

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[Defy General] josuearisty:
Its not safe to do it in that way, using the other ways we dont know, it maybe could work perfectly, we will always have the way to unlock it with motorola keys. (until the day we found it or who knows)
[Defy General] yodawg:
hmmm as said before, i thought the modem was the only problem. so does it literally "destroy" our phones? can you please give any links to these threads, couldn't find something useful...
[Defy General] marhensa:
SONY XPERIA ACRO S

MotoDEFY lifeproof capability with awesome Xperia S Specs..

and ps:

Sony is welcome of unlocking its bootloader..

giving step by step how to unlock it on their official website.

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[Defy General] mitzumr:
it's bigger and not shock resistant, the Sony Go is smaller and low-res screen but dual-core, no real replacement in my view
[Defy General] jokermithun:
defy build quality is incredible...my next device will b nexsus..:mad:
[Defy General] TrippleT:
There is...just need to use the moto fastboot files...not the sdk crap...
[Defy General] walter79:
Sorry you can't boot into fastboot mode on normal defy. Or did you find a new way?
[Defy General] free2live:
could you please share those files with us..many of the people here are looking for those files for a long time
[Defy General] jassi32:
hwa full support guyz , congrats to all

Thanks to Epsylon3 and nadlbak.

---------- Post added at 10:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:51 PM ----------

as i said few days ago , it all happened today ...... kernel bypass and support of other developers hwa full support guyz , congrats to all

Thanks to Epsylon3 and nadlbak.
[Defy General] veimus:
I wonder also on Sony ... But Motorola has CrystalTalk, I have Xperia Ray, which specifies a kind of a noise reduction system but it works much worse than that in Defy :(
[Defy General] toncy12345:
what these lines means?

they have succeed bypassing the bl?

explain more us
[Defy General] niksy+:
A developer with a nickname "nadlabak" succeeded in loading new (v1.8) drivers for the PowerVR graphics, so Epsylon and Quarx used his commit and included the same thing in the DEFY CM9 builds. You can find the 5th July build by Epsylon which has COMPLETE hardware acceleration. People say it's incredible :)

The bootloader is not unlocked! But, it probably doesn't matter anymore :)
[Defy General] toncy12345:
this means this can be done with green camera for defy plus sbf?
[Defy General] niksy+:
Woah... What? o.O If you are asking me how to unlock the bootloader - it can not be done.

I was talking about how developers got hardware acceleration completely working. And yes, the first build is made for Froyo kernel and you can use it on green lense DEFY. You can find it here, the latest one - http://defy.wdscript.fr/defy-cm9/
[Defy General] kadopt:
It feels so different now that hwa accel works properly! Great job! Hope this method allows to update other drivers when needed in the future!
[Defy General] YaPeL:
This thread should be closed.

Even If I'm as happy as the next guy about having full HWA, that does not mean we are achieving 100% potential of our defy. Due to the blocked bootloader, things like zcache, or UKSM are going to be impossible on our defy, and considering how resource hungry ics, and apps in general are becoming, those could be some really handy improvements.

UKMS in action:

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[Defy General] m11kkaa:
It should be possible to compile KSM as kernel-module after making some changes.

Thats a great ideao to get some more free RAM :P
[Defy General] GodSlayer:
@niksy+

We still very much need the bootloader unlocked. Maybe we got full HW, but face it, Defy is not the fastest phone on the market. Even a little kernel modding can produce enormous speed difference, even with a stock rom.
[Defy General] Moises_sto_zn:
With the unlocked bootloader defy, overclocking can get up to much?:D

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[Defy General] YaPeL:
Are you saying its possible to get those things working even with a locked bootloader?

More info about UKSM here

Maybe our chinese friends could give us a hand with the translation, if its possible to port it.
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
I'll have to take a look at that.

But I've read that KSM is only useful if you're running multiple VirtualMachines.

Is UKSM specialized for android so it does more?
[Defy General] YaPeL:
Its not specialized for android, as far as I know It does the same as KSM (dunno whats the difference besides the "Ultra"), it just detects when two memory pages are the same, and only stores one, I thought this could save us some memory, since we have many copies of the dalvik VM running at the same time (one per app).

So yeah, we are running many virtualmachines actually.
[Defy General] GodSlayer:
The only thing that can save us from the downsides of Dalvik is if it was written with C#, like in XobotOS.
[Defy General] toncy12345:
no, no, no. i have green lens defy but with bl7. what i wanna ask, if somehow also would be possible to make work the soc camera on bl7. as nadlbak done with hwa.
[Defy General] AnTerNoZ:
if that is possible, than we all can run with a GB kernel.

Defy mit Android 4.0.4 CM9 RockZ
[Defy General] jassi32:
this thread should be closed , what i think , anyone thinks like me , is welcome

no offense , if guys wanna discuss in this thread its OK ...... :)

HWA Enabled is we want ....:) and we have it :)