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[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I still own a EVO 4G, and even if I didn't, no.

It's also funny that you call me the fanboy when I own and enjoy both. Maybe some day you'll realize who are the real fanboys.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
You really need to learn to read, my son.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/a...ion-revenue-7/

And for your additional Android Otaku reading pleasure.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-tops-android-in-enterprise-little-green-robot-still-gunni/

Too many people in this thread are viewing this Apple Vs HTC thing with blinders, either one way or the other. Most of you seem to have eaten a great big, heaping bowl of stupid before you started posting. Android is NOT a threat to Apple, in any way shape or form. Because Apple has the following of so many of its iSheep, coupled with the fact that the devices work rather nicely, they will continue to be the leader in the US market, and will soon overtake Symbian as the top mobile OS globally.

The only people who should really be threatened by Apple are the Crackberry faithful. RIM is going down in smoke and Apple didn't need to sue them for that to happen. HTC isn't going anywhere, Android isn't going anywhere, and I am almost certain that the ITC's decision will NOT be to block any HTC or Samsung devices from coming it. HTC will have to pay Apple licensing fees and be done with it.

Now before you jackasses go spouting off , "oh noez, he iz another Apple fanboi!!!!1!!", I am an Android user through and through. I have never, and will never, own an Apple mobile device. I give Jobs enough money because I choose to use a Mac. Apple may not be innovators in the truest sense, but if it wasn't for the popularity of the i devices, Android would NEVER have become as good as it is. PERIOD!
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
Engadget is known to be huge supporters of apple and iPhone. Ive seen their articles on apple vs android as I have seen others completely in reverse on other sites. Don't trust everything u read. Especially from engadget. Don't get me wrong I use engadget everyday but I read their opinions and graphs on who sells more as a grain of salt
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
Agreed, that is why I check their sources and other credible ones after reading some of their ****e.

Here is the WSJ article on Apple's Q3 earnings:

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/07/19/apple-earnings-a-big-beat/

As for the graph, that comes from an Enterprise IT company based on what they see going with their clients. Again, not the most credible of sources, but 20 million iPhones in the quarter alone has to account for something.

http://www.good.com/news/press-releases/110721.php

The same can be said when it comes to Android. I never believe anything I hear, see or read in the media. There is always some key piece of info that is missing.

My point is that Apple's not hurting for money because of Android. They are just being huge roosters.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Good job numnuts. Nothing I said was false. Apple has higher markups then anyone else. There's currently two androids being activated for every iPhone.

Www.apple.Com

I'm sure someone they're will appreciate your fanboyism. Gtfo
[EVO 4G General] slugger393:
How much do you get paid by Apple? If you do...

I <3 the documentary being made with priceless info tracking all the schills! Its actually going to open peoples eyes to see how much money Apple is spending in VERY different types of marketing than traditional ads.

I can't wait until people see how entire blogs, blog comments, forums and FB/Twitter are being completely inundated with paid contributors (en mass) with a dedicated job to influence people away from other products and towards Apple.

Would it surprise you to know it miiiight be receiving funding from Brick and Mortar stores - its war against the editorial credibility of online opinions may be its saving grace.

Still, they're not putting any steering BS in there - they don't need to! Its allll about exposing the fake hype and paid cheerleading with iProducts.

Get your popcorn ready - and bring your MFG back to US soil if you don't want your sh*t stolen. Opppppportunity cost.

The ship is sinking - enjoy the show!
[EVO 4G General] achvala:
htc will prevail
[EVO 4G General] :
Come on board I am lovin it

Apple sucks ballz
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
So many effing fanboys on XDA? if someone speaks facts or has a different views than yours, it doesn't make them apple fanboys, that's probably why you think if someone is not rooting for HTC's past decisions, they must be apple fanboys.

What i find interesting though is "wallpapers? picture text"(i assume you mean mms here), really???

is this how you judge that apple sucks? no customization and no wallpapers, no notification bars?

get real. people want applications.

they want good clean applications that work.

good clean applications that fit their needs.

Such applications do NOT exist on android.

find me a simple 8 tracks audio recorder on android. find me 'rebirth' or "alike", find me quality software, EVEN ports are pretty ****ty most of the time.

See most games running on the "crappy OS and crappy hardware iPhone" and the compare it to the MIGHTY ****ing android super 2ghz dual core cpu tegra 2.

Compare them honestly.

People (the general population, think, your mom, think your sister, your neighbor), you will understand why the iPhone was and still is very popular.

People like you and me may have different needs, if you're a developer, or a tech geek, or flashaholic or beta tester or whatever, but we do NOT represent the mass population.

iPhone does something very well that does not suit you or me, which is FINE and should be allowed to do so as they answer a specific market we don't fit in.

think about what people do, what people need, what people really use their stuff,

one time i told my father in law he could change the background on his phone, he looked at me like , why the hell would i do that? the current one there is fine, is this going to mess up my applications i have downloaded?

These applications do NOT exist on android (yet, maybe will later, who knows). but at this time, just ain't happening.

If you disagree with any of the above, that's fine. but try to elaborate a little more other than saying, mighty steve jobs, wall garden, i-suck products, fanboy etc.

Indicate a single application where android does it best (i am talking an application, not an OS functionality).

PS: having android running in a vm will never be as snappy as c++ running natively, which is why the specs on the best android devices have to be so beefed up.

old analogy:

write something in ASM and run it on a slower cpu with known hardware

vs

write something in java in a vm on a faster cpu with unknown hardware.

Believe me, you will see a difference.

All I can say is:

Go to a store, and really try the products, A/B comparisons, learn the tricks of each OS then be honest.

Now if you hate the politics of a company (here Apple) that is fine.

You can say that you think S. Jobs is an a-hole for X and Y reasons and you won't support him and his company. This is perfectly fine.

But saying product X sucks because you don't like the way Y person is behaving is just showing ignorance, perpetuating stupid debates, immaturity and just not moving things forward for anybody.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
I got screwed in the silver tier change, couldn't get an override. That 599 is taking a minute... :(
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
I'm not claiming either android or ios is better. I'm getting angry because this thread is about apple trying to kill htc, android and all these people are now doing is arguing about iPhone vs android

This is an epically pointless and completely by either side unwinnable

So its time to grow up and stfu.
[EVO 4G General] boomer30:
**** APPLE !

sorry just had to vent !
[EVO 4G General] tjs721:
I'm not sure the Evo 3d is doing as well as people might think. They are already cutting the price many places. That's not a great sign.
[EVO 4G General] ajaneesh:
Im no apple fan. In fact we have 3 androids and 0 iphones at home between my family members. Ive rooted and flashed custom roms on two of them already. All of this probably qualifies me as an android fan.

But i still stop to wonder sometimes if my smartphones would have had the intuitive touch usability that we take for granted today if apple had not made it to the finish line first with multi touch and finger based touch et al.......
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Touch screens were already being implemented in other ways. It would have happened either way. Just like when I saw clearwire internet modems debut, I thought to my self "wonder how long til this hits phones" its high speed and wireless. Someone would think of it someday inevitably
[EVO 4G General] :
That is odd and I would be pissed. I got mine and hell, I got bumped up from silver and it was done before I even asked for it. Haven't heard of anyone getting denied. Fight that crap bro

Apple sucks ballz
[EVO 4G General] rushco:
You can find it for $400-$450 on ebay then sell your EVO to Sprint for $150 and then $300 at most for the phone.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
You do NOT read do you, cockbag. You do realise that Google is counting EVERY activation towards their numbers right? That means that every time one of us activates our phone after either rooting or flashing a new ROM, Google is counting it towards their number.

As far as fanboy, again, learn to read son. I was playing with phones and technology long before you were even a gleam in your papa's eye and a stain on your mama's sheets.

If you even read my post, you would have not replied, jackass. I never said that one was better than the other. I am just posting facts, that Apple isn't really threatened by Android in the least, that they are doing this to be *****!
[EVO 4G General] LexLuger82:
Hahaaaa
[EVO 4G General] dsf3g:
A big part of the reason I own an HTC Evo and a Nook Color (running CM7) instead of an iPhone and iPad is Apple's greed in stipulating that content providers must hand Apple 30% off the top of all subscriptions sold on iPad apps (so Barnes and Noble has to give Apple 30% of the cost of any book for the Nook App and Amazon has to hand over 30% of all Kindle in App sales).

I worry about handing so much power and market clout to one company.
[EVO 4G General] Bandage:
PM'd you my shipping address! :P
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Actually, HTC's response was "try competing, rather than suing".

And I'm really tired of the "this is how business works" excuse.

No, it's not.

Now, when a company clearly and obviously is basing all of their sales on something that is outright stolen from you, yes, you should have the right to sue them for that.

When you're getting your ass kicked in the market and are out of ideas...well...besides to steal and sue.

You have no right to sue others like this.
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
"Their toys are better than my toys, make them stop!"

someone call the WAMBULANCE!!!!
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
Apple is doing more than just competing, their kicking HTC's ass. Compare profit, both mobile only and/or all divisions. Not even close.
[EVO 4G General] :
Lol : ) ok maybe I'll keep my imac. It's still a good device.

sent from my inc2
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Suing is now a form of competing?

Oh, how far we humans have come. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
When you break the law, yes.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
"Break the law" huh?

You don't think Apple has ever stolen anything?

A recent and common example: notification system.

But there are hundreds others.

They are suing because they are losing, not because of the merits of stealing, and I personally hope it leads to them becoming bankrupt.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
Last I checked, Apple is the most succesful OEM. None of them come close. So no, Apple isn't losing. Selling a billion cheap Android isn't going to change that. Same as how selling a billion cheap PCs with razor thin margins didn't bankrupt them either.
[EVO 4G General] equalsP:
This is going to get real ugly real fast.

US copyright / patent law is messed up. It completely destroys competition and innovation. Anyone with nothing in the system can see that. Big companies like apple that own patents they ignore the fact because they can do exactly this.

The US office grants patents they have no right granting. Patents that are really vague. So you invent a cellphone that is GSM and patent it. I think cellphones are cool so I make a CDMA phone. Same principle but. It operates differently. Today, you can sue me and if you have good enough lawyers you can win, causing me to stop and never produce any phones unless I pay you.

If that doesn't make sense, think about engines. A gas and electric car are both cars, but the technology that powers the car is completely different.

Sadly this is something companies have to deal with. Ultimately it will reduce the companies that compete and screw the users base. Legal monopolies.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
I am sorry you're tired of this, but this is the way it is and pretty much always has been.

I remember the Ibanez vs Gibson when Ibanez took Gibson models, made exact replica, some of them were even better than the Gibson's. What do you think happened?

This in turn was for the best of everybody, Ibanez instead of whining came out with their own original model and now have their own market.

Saying, "Hey Apple, try to compete not sue" is actually very unfair, as the R&D is very expensive and HTC didn't have to spend a dime on it. How can one company compete if their design, time and effort, and millions of dollars are only to be used by a company with no R&D?

Have HTC compete fairly by creating their own stuff and not assembling technology that others have created, developed and matured.

Now someone mentioned that IO5 stole from android, that's great! that means Apple is going to be sued, that is very fair in my opinion. it works both ways.

I'll repeat: R&D is very expensive.

Intellectual property means something today and has for many years.

Apple should get sued for the things it steals from others if they are patented.

HTC should get sued or remove the offending pieces they did not develop.

It is all very simple actually.

I think tomorrow i'll make coffee mugs with the "Beatles" "Rolling Stones" logo *FOR PROFIT*, i would be SHOCKED if i wasn't sued because i don't have a license.
[EVO 4G General] rickballs:
From every apple(copyright) you eat, steve jobs gets a quarter...even if you paid 10 cents....****ing turd of a man
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Not sure what this has to do with what I said.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
then compare android pre iphone to android post iphone, then tell me who copied who.

you said apple is losing by the way which they are not.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Expand on the "hundreds others", meanwhile, the notification bar/system, i agree with you.

They took that from android, and guess what, if this is patented they will get sued and they will deserve it.

If the notification has no patent, well guess what? they are in the clear.

So now my question is: did Apple research whether the notification system is OK to implement because it is free to use/implement or has restrictions?

I guess we'll see if they get sued by the owner of this technology.

Who owns it btw? I am now curious, and, yes, i am with you Apple should then get sued if it has a patent.
[EVO 4G General] driguez:
Never heard of them but thanks, seems very interesting. Sorry for the ot.
[EVO 4G General] dpilcher:
Namely HTC was found guilty of infringing on:

U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647: "A system and method causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data."

U.S. Patent No. 6,343,263: "A data transmission system having a real-time data engine for processing isochronous streams of data includes an interface device that provides a physical and logical connection of a computer to any one or more of a variety of different types of data networks."

hmmm...I'm sure nothing else besides AOS/POS does this...have to admit they were smart to patent such generic bs. They are one of the best at marketing, and being able to see where they can bring people into the technology realm that really don't belong.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
i'll do it for you...

android before the iphone:

ripping the popular OS (blackberry) of that time. then the iphone comes out and all of a sudden they become ios like:
[EVO 4G General] Blackcircle:
Guess they want to shut down HTC so they can use their awesome UI since apples is horrible...lol

Its a shame that a company with such a good product ( did I just say that?) and so much money can be so greety and unsecured of the competition.

via EVO.
[EVO 4G General] equalsP:
This is not a proper comparison. What you saying is your making an knock off, like he apod or jpod or whatever. Something that is made to look just like the ipod. I agree this is illegal and should be stopped.

A better comparison would be selling cups with a your 4 member rock band. Maybe you have Mohawk and play punk, but it is a similar idea to the beatles mugs which beatles execs patented and spent countless r&d hours on.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
...What the ****.

I like Apple, and I like and enjoy using their products. But this is a ****ing low blow by them. This is something I don't agree with at all.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
I will never buy an Apple product and this is only one of the reasons why. They have no idea what kind of backlash they will receive if they are actually successful at killing Android.
[EVO 4G General] saprano614:
Apple dosent realize that, if they go thru with this and it stops HTC from importing devices, none of the Android users will buy an Iphone. I would rather have a Blackberry than a Iphone. I will never buy anything from Apple, i even sold my ipod because apple sucks.
[EVO 4G General] equalsP:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/15/itc-finds-htc-guilty-of-infringing-two-of-apples-patents-appea/

I mean come on, if Apple legitimately is trying to defend its IP, then it should go after Android, not wildly suing every manufacturer of android phones trying to make a quick buck. They are even currently suing Samsung on similar grounds ... this is a sign of a company who is just trying to make money, not protect investments.

And the fact that they won on the patent that is "fundamental to Android" shows that it doesn't matter what patents you have, if you have good lawyers you win. I read somewhere (can't find it now) that the same issue was brought up with the ITC and they said it was not infringement.
[EVO 4G General] detcup4evr:
Those patents are way two vague I read through them and my amature eyes they read

1. They have a patent on touch screen/ touch menus - a device that brings up a menus when an object is selected (every touch Screen)

2. They have a patent on devices that connects multiple data sources over the wan (Every smart phone ever made)

Now if HTC truely stole Apple code I don't see it, Great work is imitated, but can't see what exactly apple is claiming HTC stole.

Hmm I got Summoned for Fedral Jury Duty, I hope I get on this case.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
No offense at all but speak for yourself, Rim's devices are terrible for multimedia phones. Also, you're implying that is HTC phones are seized from the US then all other Android devices from other companies will be too. There are still Samsung, Motorola, LG, even some lower brand Android devices out there.

But if Android did somehow get shutdown in the US completely I would go either Iphone or Hp's version of WebOS, assuming that either one is going to be on Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
I'd like to see the little apple fan ***** leave the arena. I absolutely hate apple and their dumb down system for the mass morons of our society. Its so funny that apple has to Sue every manufacturer so they can get a piece of android action. U do realize its not to shut down production. Its so that everytime an android device is sold they make money off of it. They patient every possible thing no matter how minute of a process...even something as generic as accessing a network via another PC and wait and wait and wait amd when they see their competition start to over take them in sales they swoop on and say oh yeah we patented that process (which is bull**** to begin with and just another thing wrong with this ****ing country...the ****ty patients office is horrible) just to have said competition pay then a percentage to "use" said generic patient. Then u get all the retarded iturd users that cone around thinking they r they first to have pull down notifications and many other thongs they have ripped off an open source android system and they have no idea how brain washed they dumbass is. The only reason I own an imac (cheapest one I could buy) is so I can write apps to the iPhone and make money off the dumb asses.
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
Honestly, I don't see this surviving. The patents are incredibly generic should be declared invalid.

The first one covers ANY system that searches data for patterns and allows the user to perform an action based on a match for that pattern. I believe Apple's claim here is that highlighting phone numbers for dialing, addresses for mapping, etc, are all covered by this. Maybe they are, but Apple should not be allowed to patent that, and they sure as hell didn't invent it.

The second one covers any device with a network interface.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What you don't realize is that if the iPhone comes to Sprint, they don't need to block HTC to win over a bunch of Sprint Android users. Most people aren't retarded fanboys who hold grudges, the only Android users left will be the fringe fanboys and people who want free or $50 dollar smartphones.
[EVO 4G General] Android 17:
I truly, honestly hate Apple.

It's not that I try to hate them, it's not that I hate them because 'it's the cool thing to do', it's just incredibly hard to keep a completely unbiased and logical viewpoint when it comes to such an asshole of a company.

They've certainly innovated and achieved some great things as a company, I acknowledge that, I can also understand why a lot of people like iPhones, but they continually choose to play dirty tricks over and over. The patent system seriously needs to be burned down to the ground and re-worked for this day and age. Apple is barely above the typical patent troll company, as they do produce certain products, but their patenting of any and every single little thing related to electronic devices is a clear and blatant abuse of the patent system.

They recently also filed to get a judge to hasten their lawsuit with Samsung, not only are they scared of the competition Android is bringing, but they appear to think they are above the law as well.
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
Dude really....I though we got rid of ur sorry ass a long time ago. Android is blowing i**** out of the water and they r scared. Ur just another apple fan ***** and can't wait for u to finally leave sprint and get ur i**** and enjoy showing it off to ur friends if u have any and telling them how proud u r of ur phone cause they r the leaders of cellphones and think of everything and are the first to come up with ****. Go back to ur nexus forum and butch and complain there.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
At this point I probably own more Android phones than you. I call it how I see it. The vulgarness of your post also makes it pretty clear that you have no clue.
[EVO 4G General] Mark_in_Tulsa:
Why innovate when you can just litigate.