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[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
Everything you stated can and is the result of the software on the phone. Even the graphic accelerated browser of the SGS2 is software dependent.

I'm sorry, I disagree. You can reference whatever you want, but in true power, these chipset are neck and neck. Plain and simple.

Yes, sgs2 performs faster STOCK. But what the hell do you expect, do you realize how big sense is? You trade a little bit of performance for functionality and eye candy. Put both of these phones on an aosp rom and I believe they will perform neck and neck. For example, compare a stock HTC Evo to a Nexus One, or even a rooted Evo running an AOSP rom...and you will see a big "performance difference" due to sense vs plain android. Touchwize is very close to plain android, and hence benefit speed wise. The tested, verifiable data (you know, the "on paper" stuff you like to claim doesn't matter) speaks for itself and is what it is.

If you swapped out the inside of these two phones, and but kept the same screen and software...you would get similar results. Touchwize is so light compared to sense.

One can claim that snapdragon chips are generic, or whatever, but you simply don't know what you are talking about. If you were in this field, or did you research, you would know that qualcom produces some high quality products. Why do you think the Samsung Hercules will be using qualcom?

You can claim what you want, you can argue with me and tell me I am wrong...but until you can site something worth a damn, then don't bother. I don't care what a tech site says, I don't care what a youtube video says. The phones are way too different software wise for a side-by-side comparison to demonstrate anything other than the overlying software. The published "paper" specs are what the are, and don't fool yourself, HTC will update and refine whatever driver needs refining. HTC did not get to the point they are by producing **** phones. If you are not patient enough for HTC, just wait tell you can flash a rom on the sensation.

***I don't owe a SGS2, nor do I owe a Sensation.***
[HTC Sensation] blunted09:
Played with the bell sensation. Its just slower. Great phone but not better than the sgs2. Sense 2.1 was much simpler and faster. I love htc but they seem to have cheaped out a bit this time around.

There is a reason there isnt a comparison like this in the sgs2 forums.
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
Reference my post above. Again, there is a reason for you observation.

It would be wonderful to see this discussion become something of merit.
[HTC Sensation] blunted09:
I did read the majority of your post however, its impossible that these phones will not be compared
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
How did they cheap out? They put the best CPU Qualcomm is offering at the moment in this phone. HTC always uses Qualcomm chips because of their longstanding relationship and the fact that Qualcomm owns a decent share of HTC.

If anything, they didn't optimize their software for the hardware inside of this phone.
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
I understand that, but you didn't real take anything from it, it seems (I don't mean that in an offensive way).

They used the best qualcom has to offer, and a similar chip will be going into the samsung hercules, which very well may become samsung flagship phone. HP, LG, Samsung, HTC, etc all use qualcom.

The comparison can be made, but it should be made in one of two ways. Either one can say compare the hard ware/paper data and spec...in which one has to conclude that they are neck and neck. Or one can compare the software, in which it is speed (touchwiz) vs functionality (sense).

Yes I know you don't have to have sense to achieve the same functionality...but the majority of android users don't realize this...and will next make use of it.
[HTC Sensation] blunted09:
honestly as simple as comparing the best 2 phones on the market. the software maybe a preference but people will be looking at this comparison it's only fair that you tell me how it is. I guess the bottom line is to each, his own.

I personally still consider the sgs2 the flagship with android
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
I do believe I did that.

What people don't need to see is basesless assumptions that are reported as fact, and the arguments that follow.

I did not favor either phone, and gave (or attempted to give) a factual report of the two devices.
[HTC Sensation] Moh_Jay:
You can't really compare the 2 until they are both running stock. Sense is more demanding with RAM then touchwiz.

Signatures are fancy.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
Too bad they can't be used to watch video or scroll the web... Like a handful of people said, it's real world experience that's most important. And no one put a gun to HTC's head telling them to skimp on RAM and create a UI that's the size of Cleveland. The multi-page thread on how many times you have to touch the screen to get the carousel effect going was particularly telling. Functionally, there's nothing in Sense that isn't provided by TW or a Hub. Maybe Samsung took the approach they did for a reason.
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
The hercules won't be samsung's flagship phone, that's why it's not planned to release anywhere outside the usa and that it's planned for t-mobile. Samsung already have a plan for a new flagship phone that's the galaxy s2, it has an international version and runs on Exynos. That should tell you all. There is a reason samsung didn't fit a qualcomm SOC on their flagship phone. Even the Tegra 2 version won't be called "galaxy s2"
[HTC Sensation] SousukeUK:
Hmmmm... this is interesting!

So let me get this right; Sensation's SOC is not fully compatible with the current gen OS (its launch OS) that is out on market but is optimized for next gen OS which is not out yet.

But Samsung seem to be optimized just fine for this gen OS and will be optimized once again when the new version comes out (other than if the new OS is a specific fix JUST for HTC from Google)!

So HTC was just being plain lazy/not bothered to optimize their hardware driver for launch OS.

Because they knew customer will stump up cash either way and will sit around up to 6 month waiting for someone else (non HTC personal) to fix his/her crippled high end device for free!

I think that just about sums it up.

Ever wonder why this devices don't make the same impact Apple has made with their phones?!?
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
Honestly....you don't know what your talking about in the statement.

It all comes down to async cores (htc) and sync cores (samsung, nividia). Async should have a big battery life advantage. HTC CANNOT rewrite android...only put the custom interface overtop. Its not lazy...its the nature of the hardware. Maybe...just maybe...HTC was looking forward a bit.

It won't be optimized tell ice cream.

The browser acceleration will be standard in ice cream as well. But samsung did do well to optimize it a head of time, HTC should have. Never the less, the ground will even out soon enough.
[HTC Sensation] SousukeUK:
Factual reports based on someone else's report?

as earlier you said you don't own any of the two phones.
[HTC Sensation] SousukeUK:
My apologies as all I hear at XDA that once S-OFF is done DEV's will make Sensation smoke SGS2.

So I assumed that HTC could have optimized it but didn't bother and let everyone else pick up their slacks, like Google with Ice Cream and DEV's here at XDA with slick custom gingerbread roms.
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
You are right, you see the flaming on both sides of the forum.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
People are buying phones

today

. Based on the decisions made by HTC, their flagship phone isn't performing well competitively

today

. And even if 3.X can run in 768MB of RAM it's going to be tight. Add in Sense and you're back where you started because it's not the processor that's causing screen lag. HTC brought this on themselves. If they positioned the Sensation as an evolution of the Desire HD people's expectations wouldn't have been so high. Instead they marketed it as a "multimedia powerhouse," "flagship phone," and had huge launch parties all over the world. People aren't saying it's a bad phone, they just feel let down based on the hype and the real world performance comparisons to the SGS2 which was hyped far less. And you're right, the specs do look fantastic on paper. It's the execution that's a little off. I'd also bet you that within six months there will be a Sensation S with a more evolved chipset and more RAM and onboard memory. If HTC's looking forward, it's toward newer phones they'll be bringing to market not phones they already sold. I'm sure I'd be perfectly happy with a Sensation as others are. This is a "vs." discussion though and I think there is a difference in performance as things stand

today

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[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
I am more than sure that the Sensation will be able to run Ice Cream Sandwich with ease. Do you think they are gonna leave out the Nexus S from ICS because it only has 512 MB of RAM?
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
How can you compare a pure Google phone to one running a manufacturer's rather hefty UI? I think this sums up what you can expect...

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_gingerbread_update_coming_this_month-news-2869.php
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
They cut back on some Sense features...no mention of cutting back on Gingerbread features. The Desire was an Eclair device with the first generation Snapdragon so it's actually nice that it's getting Gingerbread. It'll be fine. I usually have 270-300 MB of RAM free anyway. The task manager isn't accurate for whatever reason.
[HTC Sensation] iranwz:
I prefer the sensation to gs2 because has better display to read texts (higher pixel per inche)

And colors are real, in gs2 red and yellow is not real.

But gs2 has more contrast in sun light
[HTC Sensation] Roenie82:
I own neither of these phones, so I have no bias.

I love the idea of more pixels but does it really make a difference, though? Text has to be quite small for it to make a difference in readability, and text that small needs to be zoomed in on anyway, to make it comfortable to read at normal arms length?

Also what I've been thinking this for a while, but I've not seen people writing about it: The SGS2 has that colour banding issue which suggests (proves?) that it is running lower bit depth than the Sensation. Maybe that's the/another big way in which Samsung cheats the benchmarks?
[HTC Sensation] Janusz Czech:
If Samsung S2 is as good as Galaxy S (I'm using one) then I would say it would be my first choice over HTC Sensation (I using this one too).
[HTC Sensation] antiochasylum:
Wow, I just read this entire thread about how big your pen*s's are. Lol

Serously guys, are you trying to have someone justify your purchase? Its like comparing apples to oranges.

As being a SGS2 owner, I am not baised towards any one specific phone. Both phones are awesome. And honestly it comes down to personal preference. As for benchmarks, that only goes for measuring penis size. Real world performance is what it is all about. Side by Side, stock for stock the SGS2 is a bit faster. I have had both in my hand. The Sensation has a much better build quality than the SGS2, however the sleekness of the SGS2 owns all.

But serously here guys, you are comparing apples to oranges.

As for the guy who said red and yellow isnt a real color, UM WHAT?

Anyway, just be happy with the device you have and stop measurebating.

Both phones are stellar performers. Both have advantages and flaws. However both phones will be outdated in 6 months.

As for the guy who said 2.3.3 doesnt use both cores on the sensation, where is your FACTUAL evidence? Do you work for HTC?
[HTC Sensation] Success100:
like i said, i dont own either so im not biased towards either. This debate has turned into which one has more balls..but that doesnt matter. If my corvette has 600hp, and your mustang has 650hp, but my corvette can spank your mustang every run, then you telling me how yours is more powerful or better makes no difference if you cant BEAT me. Same thing here, for you to say the Sensation has superior internals doesnt matter if it cant put the power to the pavement. Put the two next to eachother and see if the Sensation can beat the s2 in ANYTHING. I dont care about software acceleration and all that mess. What matters is the end user experience. I didnt start this thread..i KNOW Sense slows the phone down. But the point is there IS Sense on there and the comparison is which phone is better.

As i said before, I think they are geared towards two different crowds. Personally Id take the s2, but If I wanted a phone that had a deeper and more refined UI so to speak then I would definetly take the Sensation. Hell, Ive considered buying both...Both are awesome phones. Im arguing the fact that people are saying the Sensation has superior hardware(cpu/gpu), but in real usage, that doesnt show one bit.

And trust me, I do my research homie. Even if you took off Sense, the s2 would still spank it in poly/sec, fill rates, etc. That has been PROVEN in various tests. The Enynos core is capable of running 2 displays @ 1080p + one additional display thru HDMI mirroring. Exynos+Mali400>Snapdragon+Adreno 220. Again, Im not saying the Sensation sucks, it doesnt, im saying that if your argument is the Sensation has superior hardware, well, it sure doesnt show it in any shape form or factor.
[HTC Sensation] elmonen:
This thread was a nice read.. My choises for my first android phone was gs2 or the sensation.. Got the s2 because it was the first one available here in Finland! Can't be happier! It's fast and the web browser is super smooth and fast! The screen is awesome. Don't care about any benchmarks! This beast plays games good, videos play nice and web browsing (as i said earlier ;-) is smooth as hell!

And yes you can even make phone calls with this thing!
[HTC Sensation] niddnet:
The following post is brought to you by the word 'Rant' and the letters 'ARRGGHH'. (OK, it's not REALLY a rant, but it's getting there. lol)

@success100 - I just noticed your post saying much the same as mine, but here's mine anyway lol :)

A whole 13 pages on what is "better". Sigh.

What is "better" is what you prefer... if you like something, and it's best for YOU, then that's the better phone.

As for speed vs. percieved speed - hardware vs. software... you get a SMART CAR and a FERRARI - and you drive both at 30km/h. Which is faster? Neither. One might feel nicer to somebody, but not to others. It's a complete certainty that one would get to the 30km/h more quickly than the other... but whether people would prefer that - well, that's down to the people concerned.

It's all subjective - both phones are good - each has advantages over the other - each is different than its rival, one may have better hardware, the other may have worse hardware, but better software and, for some, get a better end result.

Which is best for me? The Sensation. Why? Because I've got one, I've had HTC phones since they became available here, and I wouldn't change - sticking with what I know is "better" for me. Sure, I acknowledge differences, and embrace them, but how many more childlike posts of "My XYZ is better than your ABC" are we going to have to endure on here?!

Sure, make a thread called "Full Specification / Hardware Differences - Sensation vs. SGS2" or something - that'd be interesting, and maybe useful. IF you're lucky enough to have BOTH handsets, make a great comparison thread... again something really useful.

But all these 'which is better' threads... they're pretty pointless, as for almost each credit to a device, there's going to be someone else there who wants to say their device is "better".
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
+1

And I'm sure there are tons of people that feel the same way. Using the above car analogy, 600hp vs. 650hp is meaningless if you're driving in the suburbs. The "suburbs" is where the majority of people use their phones 90% of the time.

For a lot of us, our phones are a hobby. Discussions about specs and performance are meant to be fun, not a comparison of genitalia. Hopefully, everyone's taking it that way.
[HTC Sensation] Success100:
haha i totally missed this post
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Is that why the hercules will come with a qualcomm chipset?
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
The bigger question is why isn't it coming with Exynos, Samsung's premium chip set? The SGSZ, a cheaper version of the the SGS2, comes with Tegra. The Hercules is supposed to be just a beefed up version of the U.S. market Infuse not a member of the Galaxy line.

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-hercules-for-t-mobile-like-the-infuse-4g-but-dual-core-17152594/
[HTC Sensation] Success100:
umm idk, I dont work for Samsung. I have no clue, it may be because supply or cost reasons. Nonetheless, I have no clue. It seems like people feel like im defending Sammy..im NOT!! I love sammy and HTC phones

right on
[HTC Sensation] mathieulh:
It is strictly for supply reasons, samsung cannot produce enough Exynos SOC to meet the demand so they purchase SOC from other manufacturers such as Nvidia's Tegra 2 for the Desire Z, they also supply the Exynos at a loss which means that it is actually cheaper for them to purchase the competitors' SOC instead of supplying their own, the only reason they do so is because they want the best hardware possible for their flagship device.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Ok, nobody knows for sure what chipset it will come with. I know some blogs have reported it will, but that is all hear say at this point. They all just pretty much copy off of each other. Its really to early to say what chipset it will come with. Either way, even if it is the same chipset as the Sensation, I have no doubt it will perform better do to TW being less of a resource hog, Samsung making better drivers and a display that pushes less pixels. Either wag, I'm sure Samsung would have loved to use there own chipset but they obviously can't fab enough Exynos chips for every phone they sell and from the looks of there numbers its selling a **** ton. Its not even available in the US yet and I think its selling better than any other Android device released.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
Where have you been? This thread got pretty interesting a couple of pages back. I was waiting for you. ;)
[HTC Sensation] Beefheart:
Judging by the 'out of memory' errors my brother gets on his Sensation 2-3 times a day, Sense 3 is too much for the Sensation to handle. You really have to question HTC's sense (see what I did there?) when it comes to producing a flagship device that hasn't even got the ability to run their flagship UI properly.

As for performing neck and neck, I doubt that given the difference in both memory size and speed of access. Do you realise how much of any device's processing power is based on the speed, size and availability of it's memory? And in this respect the Sensation isn't even in the same league as the GSII.
[HTC Sensation] theredundant:
The only way to compare is to have sg2 have the same res as the sensation with same roms. I gotta admit, I wanted an sg2 from the hd2. But I'm content with this.phone nonetheless ;)
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I've been proving people liars over in the G2D forum. They were outing words in my mouth that I never said. Notice after I called then out on it, they deleted the thread? I asked them to find where I ever stated I was leaving the G2X forum, when I said I hated the phone and when I said some of the other things they said I said. I hate people who can't back up what they say but I hate people more when they get so defensive when you talk about there phone of choice. I'm just so sick and tired of people trying to justify there purchase to others.

One thing you notice is how insecure the G2X owners are about the Sensation. There constantly bringing it up and creating threads about it. Its actually quite funny. You don't see anyone here creating threads about the G2X. Its because everyone here knows the Sensation is a better all around device.

On the other hand, you do see some insecurities here about the SGSII.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
As far as design and build quality goes, The Sensation is in a league of its own. SGSII is comparable to the windows mobile design of the 90's. :D
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
I do not get memory errors on mine. sensation has superior gpu compared to sgs2, it just hasn't been optimized properly by htc but it has a more capable gpu. if you think otherwise then you are kidding yourself!
[HTC Sensation] Beefheart:
Except it isn't, which you would know had you held one for more than a few minutes rather than pandering to one of the inaccurate stereotypes it seems to have picked up.

The Sensation feels the better and more solid of the two phones in the hand though, I certainly accept that.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
I have actually. they have dummy phones at the source. It looks ugly and cheap. I do not like the design a bit. the front looks ugly and the back looks even worst! I would buy sgs2 if it were design differently! I have seen reviews of it and it performs exceptionally but it is butt ugly! I just can't get over that.
[HTC Sensation] Beefheart:
On paper the Sensation does have better GPU -- where did I say otherwise? But the GS2 has more memory and that memory is faster and it also has a superior CPU. In real world use at this moment in time the GSII is better, as the vast majority of reviews attest to. If both phones were given their ideal environment, I'd say the additional and faster memory and superior CPU would more than make up for the Sensation's superior GPU and the two phones would not be 'neck and neck' which is what I disagreed with.

As for getting no out of memory errors, I can only assume your use of the phone's features is kept to a minimum. My brother is always moaning about them and I have read numerous reviews which have said the same.

Besides, ignore all this, people should be happy with their purchase.

Right, so you have held a dummy phone and think it looks like a Windows Mobile device from 10+ years ago? Pretty much says everything I need to know really.
[HTC Sensation] Magnet42:
You're so right about " It is kinda funny to see people defend the smartphone they bought as though they designed and built it themselves."
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
I don't have to hold a real working phone to know if I like the design or not. As far as not performing neck and neck is pure speculation! Yes the SGS2 performs very well in all reviews and test, I have seen it. I know htc does not do a good job of optimizing their drivers and such, They just put better cpu's and gpu's then call it a day. Thank God for xda developers for optimising that for them! 768mb is plenty for a phone! the rebooting problem of your friend is probably a faulty unit. exchanging it may solve his problem. Lots of people on here have done the same thing and seems to solve their problem. If the sensation is not performing at par with sgs2 it is because of its software, kernel, drivers etc. The phone's hardware itself is more than capable of beating sgs2 especially in gaming! I do like the bigger internal memory of sgs2 and the bigger ram! but the design is just terrible!
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
I think it is more of defending their choice, why they chose the particular device over others. For me, it is the design. I think the SGS2 is an awsome device except for its design and build quality.
[HTC Sensation] gf7800:
if the sensation cant handle the Sense 3.0 , so why my friend`s Desire S ( which is supposed to be much weaker due to hardware gap between the both phones ) is running Gingerbread 2.3.3 with full sense 3.0 very smoothly and my Sensation is lagging even i do not use live wallpapers cause it makes my Sensation so slow .

in fact i think it is bad programming and /or bad optimizing by HTC . this phone can do much much better .
[HTC Sensation] Beefheart:
I can see you actually believe that so we may as well leave it there.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
I believe that which is the truth. :)

Like the other poster said, If the desire s can run sense 3.0 smoothly, why can't the sensation which has dual core and superior cpu and gpu? Think about it!;)