yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Defy General] free2live:
Until Racca uploads the system dump we can only post here... Hoping for miracles

Sent from another planet
[Defy General] djkail:
@Racca where are you? ;) We need your help... :D
[Defy General] ahmedelhoseney:
any idea to know which smg part responsible for locking bootloader and replace it with unlocking one using sbf debacker program..just idea
[Defy General] samcripp:
thats how the atrix unlock is distributed.

inside an sbf!
[Defy General] mpiekp:
I would suspect 42, not because of hitch hikers ;) but due to the fact that it is unsigned. Check through any sbf post where smg versions are listed, it is never signed.
[Defy General] ahmedelhoseney:
is the CGxx.smg (job number) is the same for all sbf ?

so to solve this problem is

1-knownig which smg part responsible for locking the bootloader

2-find out a sbf depacker program

3- replace this smg with unlocking one..

4- repack the new sbf with unlocking bootloader

any suggestion sirs?
[Defy General] mpiekp:
There is a sbf depacker, but not a replacement boot ladder
[Defy General] ahmedelhoseney:
here is the program http://filespart.com/dd/zlabya.html

i just wondering to change the part responsible for locking the boot loader and keep all the system untouched...
[Defy General] samcripp:
you can't just change the part of the bootloader responsible for the lock.

1. you dont have the code to change it

2. even if you could decompile it and change it, you would need to sing it.

3. simply a bad idea to try and write your own

The only way that would work is if you somehow magicly could decipher the sing key and then well, you dont even need to unlock the device, as you could just sing all things
[Defy General] ahmedelhoseney:
i tried to help but it`s more complicated than i though:( ..so the solution may come from motorola company which deprives its customers from enjoying their defy..!! so every one go and vote in petition to force motorola to unlock its trap build 2.3.6 http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2#
[Defy General] djkail:
I signed it too... We have to wait until @Racca uses Fruit Cake Maker... and we hope that then we can do something...

EDIT: I mean... if motorola doesnt do anything... But we can wait forever...
[Defy General] cardozclive:
C'mon people dont be a silent reader. Go ahead and sign the petition.
[Defy General] Otto.BR:
Hey dudes,

Did anyone try to contact Google? Since they bought motorola mobility they could do something about it!

By the way, I signed the petition...
[Defy General] thmedia:
I could be wrong but Google has not yet bought Motorola, first some regulation institutions need to approve the purchase. Also Google made it quite clear that they intended to leave Motorola as a independent "company". So contacting them now might not lead to any result.
[Defy General] viper.:
Check this http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21169008&postcount=3
[Defy General] dskrilz:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1433820 yo dev(s), when u get a chance, anyone wanna let us know what this means for the bootloader situation? It sounds like this could be a big deal. Someone smarter than me should take a look.
[Defy General] djkail:
We need to do this...! Take a look... Its only a minute...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20995395&postcount=1
[Defy General] lord0815:
What makes the bootloader locked?? Is it 'locked' ?

Motorola released many Defy(+) Kernels on sf.net...

Why they do that when no one can use them?!

What indicate that the bootloader is locked?!

Is it the missing fastboot option?

All sources to compile the bootloader are released by

motorola - the question is, why should they do that if

there is no way to use these sources?!

So do we really have a locked bootloader like other

devices where you have the option to unlock it with the

available fastboot and unlock key, or do we just stuck at

RSD flashing non-official SBF files?!

In the last case i really dont know why motorola should

release all these kernel files.

I hope there is someone out there who knows a lot more

about this issue.

Thanks in advance and i hope i can learn something new.
[Defy General] miscz:
It's just that GPL license demands it. Linux kernel is GPL licensed so anybody that distributes it has to provide source code. If they modify it, they have to provide that code too.
[Defy General] lord0815:
Thats maybe the reason to release it, but there are build instructions too in some

of the Defy sources and some questions of my posts are still not answered.

So i will have to wait for some other answers.

Thanks
[Defy General] balika01:
we able to run fastboot on the phone?
[Defy General] XtremBongChilla:
Can somebody tell me how to sign an update.zip with this keyfile? I want to try sth...
[Defy General] brajesh.sharma87:
so u have the moto key?? :O
[Defy General] free2live:
If he has the MOTO key I have the keys of Buckingham palace... LOL
[Defy General] XtremBongChilla:
No, Sorry, I don't have it. I just tryed to sign an update.zip with the engineering_key.p12, but it hasn't worked so far...
[Defy General] free2live:
It will not work... I believe you are not the first to try it...something will come up eventually.... open your mind
[Defy General] XtremBongChilla:
I have noticed that too... But before i thought it was worth a try.
[Defy General] royale1223:
Does motorola use the same key to sign kernals for all devices? If not why cant they share the key with us? I don't think moto will ever unlock the bootloader for us because when they do a cost effective analysis they might probably decide that it's not worth spending time and money on it. They have probably stopped manufacturing defys by now. So unlocking the bootloader won't increase sales or anything from their point of view.
[Defy General] djkail:
That is not right!! Happy costumers will buy future phones... (defy, defy+, or whatever..) Angry costumers will not buy again other phone from that brand... That is marketing! And it is profit!
[Defy General] royale1223:
I think we power users are a miniority. Maybe 2%. There are lot of dumb users out there who are happy with a big screen, calls and sms. For the bootloader, we will have to crack it on our own. Or beg for the key ofcorse.

---------- Post added at 06:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:56 AM ----------

Did anybody read this? http://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/1024-bit-rsa-cracked.html . We already tweak voltage when we use setvsel right? Looks promising. But it also looks like we'll burn many a defy in the process.

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Another crazy way would be to sue Moto for it. Dont we have the right to modify our own phones? After all its our private property - they sold it, we bought it. There could be two scenerios.

1) We would win and moto forced to unlock bootloaders. It won't happen in USA for sure. But if it's being done in a comm. country like china which favors consumers over MNCs, we may even win. Moto cannot afford to loose a huge market like china. Also consider that china hates Google, and that Google has almost bought Moto.

2) We fail. Even then It will get a lot of media attention. I dont think Moto will even dare to enter in a legal battle with consumers. It will spoil their rep. They will probably go for a compromise. That means an unlocked bootloader.

So it's a win-win situation. What are we waiting for?

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Yet another way would be to launch a full on media attack. Flooding Moto forums or emails is too soft. If we really really need an unlocked bootloader we should take it to a whole new level. Call up all the newspapers/news channels in your country. Tell them about the campaign on change.org. We've got above 4000 votes now, haven't we? I'm sure it'l make a pretty intresting article. Lets make Moto embarrassed. Let them know the pain. Good luck.
[Defy General] AlMustansir:
Be so kind and send my some of the drugs u are using...
[Defy General] balika01:
i will create a rooted sbf on friday
[Defy General] coelho_:
it's a great idea
[Defy General] nitrous²:
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...tition-for-real-droid-razr-bootloader-unlock/
[Defy General] popcorn1122:
use this link to share your voice

http://community.developer.motorola...to-the-Bootloader-discussion-board/td-p/22108
[Defy General] popcorn1122:
http://developer.motorola.com/products/bootloader/instructions/
[Defy General] sakitobaki:
Usb video on the go

Great idea! But it needs unlocked bootloader :(

http://community.developer.motorola.com/t5/Bootloader/Bootloader-unlock-for-Defy/m-p/21452#M39
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Any news, updates? Don't let this die :( Think and act like the way Monkey D. Ruffy does ;)
[Defy General] pranks1989:
This thread is dead I suppose!
[Defy General] jh20:
+1. the next time we see this thread the last post has better be:

"success! we finally did it!!!"

otherwise please let it rip........
[Defy General] dantonel:
Hey guys,

Is it possible or not to unlock the defy bootloader?
[Defy General] customromfan:
Up to today it is not possible.
[Defy General] dantonel:
Tks man.
[Defy General] Quarx:
[15:09:16] <kholk> I've got an OMAP3 device
[15:09:18] <kholk> Motorola Milestone
[15:10:25] <Quarx> you will not do kexec for ML?
[15:12:25] <kholk> Milestone has already got 2ndboot
[15:13:33] <Quarx> 2ndboot is useless..
[15:13:53] <Quarx> radio part/usb/audio doesn't work
[15:14:09] <kholk> even if I port kexec on Milestone
[15:14:16] <kholk> that basically does the same job 2ndboot is doing
[15:14:28] <kholk> I could get USB and audio to work
[15:14:32] <kholk> but radio will never work
[15:14:48] <Quarx> but kexec is not 2ndboot...
[15:15:18] <kholk> yeah, but radio will never work
[15:15:23] <Quarx> why?
[15:15:34] <kholk> TI Wrigley 3G can't be rebooted
[15:15:42] <kholk> and it will panic when reinitialized from nothing
[15:15:51] <kholk> and instead of rebooting itself, it will reboot the entire device
[15:17:03] <Quarx> that's sad:(
[15:18:35] <kholk> yeah
[15:18:43] <kholk> Milestone and Defy users
[15:18:50] <kholk> will never get nothing more than that
[15:19:24] <kholk> sad enough
[15:19:36] <Quarx> no other ways?
[15:19:50] <kholk> probably not
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
What's the difference between 2ndboot and kexec?

I always thought that's the same :confused:
[Defy General] ofmb:
What I never understand is how do we know wrigley can't be rebooted?

AFAIK wrigley is just not documented, so it's possible it Can be rebooted..

Just an idea - what happens if we start without simcard?

I know airplain mode doesn't seem to work..

What I'm saying is that there so much more knowledge about insides of defy so maybe publishing a working 2ndboot without radio will eventually lead to solution
[Defy General] sakitobaki:
No. There's no solution, unless Google decide to interfere and get our bootloaders unlock.

Now when we know what kholk said, this thread is useless.

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German Vodafone Froyo based

CM7.2 nightly 20120402 by Maniac
[Defy General] Quarx:
Google? i think google will not help.. http://www.pocketables.net/2012/04/is-google-going-to-sell-motorola-to-huawei.html
[Defy General] espaciosalter20:
i think that's a good news for us! Huawei has a more open bootloader policy than Motorola... Maybe, they can do the trick
[Defy General] sakitobaki:
when?! 2014?!

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Motorola Defy red lens

German Vodafone Froyo based

CM7.2 nightly 20120402 by Maniac
[Defy General] miziel:
Does it mean that we will never have fe. hwa? Or is it possible in another way?

Finally if will never have hwa does it mean we will never have full working ICS?! ;(
[Defy General] ABBolle:
It's sad but I think so... :(
[Defy General] Auris 1.6 vvt-i:
There will be no 2014 - 2012 is the end of the world, haven't you heard? :D:D:D

I can live with what I have right now :) HWA is not that important to me. I don't care about Opera Mobile and Google Chrome, UI is smooth enough for me - more than any GB I have ever tried. The only thing I miss and hope developers will fix is:

- Stable camcorder

- Stable and working panorama mode

- Working Phone portal - right now it shows IPv6, instead of IPv4.

Water and dust proof are very important to me, so I'm happy with my Defy.
[Defy General] hackergnome:
Or Buy a New phone!!!

and stop all the off topic stuff!
[Defy General] ofmb:
Quarx, what happens if first kernel doesn't take ownership of the radio, even due to missing files or some other error, then we 2ndboot?

As I understand, it's currently possible to boot without radio..
[Defy General] sakitobaki:
Kexec doesn't even work on all razr devices.

Just forget it.

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Motorola Defy red lens

German Vodafone Froyo based

CM7.2 nightly 20120425 by Maniac
[Defy General] ofmb:
I'm talking about 2ndboot
[Defy General] GodSlayer:
How about we first figure out how to unlock even one phone before we jump to debugging the solution?
[Defy General] josuearisty:
It means that this phone will never be unlocked!!

I hope someday google unlocks all motorola bootloaders! :confused:

Will this ever happen?
[Defy General] frankfurts:
Doubt it. There is nothing in it for them so why would they bother?
[Defy General] AnTerNoZ:
Google is the one and only they say: don't do evil. it's evil to lie at the consumers about the bootloader, sure Google don't lie but they buy moto, they also buy the lies that moto tell the consumers. that's what i think.

Defy mit Android 4.0.4 CM9 RockZ
[Defy General] paul.d051990:
R.I.P Unlocked Bootloader

It can't, it won't and it will never be done! Selling my moto defy, and never buying a motorola device again in my life!
[Defy General] idoavni99:
Come ON

There's must be a solution come on guys do it for motorola to look like ****, for all of the dissapointed people who bought a got damm defy
[Defy General] mihovil13:
LOL there is no solution.

It's meant to be this way.
[Defy General] remuseu:
same here...samsung or htc all the way baby !

as a le: motorola is starting to lock devices for good, as in u can't even flash a .sbf to return to stock firmware, here's a video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8s0nQCEN8&feature=g-u-u
[Defy General] adi4motion:
+1 on this;) (oh, btw motorola registered profit drops in q1 of 2012:) )
[Defy General] sakitobaki:
Are they nuts?!!!!!

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Red lense Defy

(German Vodafone Froyo based)

CM7.2 16052012 by Maniac
[Defy General] bone101:
Motonuts
[Defy General] NI55AN:
Not due to get upgraded till November but will be avoiding Motorola. Looking at those quad-core beasts :p
[Defy General] mihovil13:
I won't avoid them if quad defy arrives.

Swyped off my Amazing Defy using ICS
[Defy General] m11kkaa:
One good sign is, that they didn't block 2nd-init with Defy+ and GB-Kernels.

They could do that, but they didn't.

If all new Moto-devices are capable of 2nd-init I won't care about an locked bootloader :P
[Defy General] kadopt:
With an unlocked bootloader there were no need to use modules to fix bugs related to the kernel because you could just fix them and build and load a new kernel.
[Defy General] Hairo The Blue Mage:
That's the point...
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Let me tell you why they didn't locked 2nd-init; They don't give a flying **** about the Defy!!

A message to everyone here: Never ever pay a dollar on a moto device again! Can you remember one of their promises about unlocking the bootloaders of newer devices on Q4 of 2011?!! Actually they did not...instead they locked down the devices even more. WTF?!!! What do all of you still expect from a Manufacturer who's not giving a damn about the user.

Listen moto, first of all, you should know that I'm typing this message with my middle finger. 2nd: Everyone here is hating you, 3rd: The one who's making those stupid retarded ****ed up decisions about locking down devices should go to hell and burn for the rest of time by boiling in his own vomit and piss....kinda gross, I know, but it seems like you just don't get it otherwise f.e. by petitions with 12k signs and massive sh*tstorms on your own official forum...Scotty, beam mich hoch!
[Defy General] Auris 1.6 vvt-i:
LOL... That was...refreshing! :D

I will also never ever buy another Moto device! No matter how much I love the toughness of my Defy, it can't make up for Motorola's broken promisses! I am a customer and I have the right to speak, to demand and to use the device I have paid for the way I decide! I! Not Motorola, not Google, not anybody else!
[Defy General] adi4motion:
that's kinda my opinion as well... this locked policy is a deal breaker... a pitty though 'cause motorola has best build quality out there (android phones)... Next phone should be a Nexus, Htc (one series) or a Samsung...
[Defy General] yodawg:
But I WILL buy another Moto IF bootloader is unlocked and the phone itself is good and not too expensive.
[Defy General] Auris 1.6 vvt-i:
No doubt the phone is great! The problem is Motorola will NEVER unlock the bootloader, which sucks, having in mind they do not support the phone any longer and have no interest in supporting it.

Dell are great machines, but I had really bad experience with their support department in 2004. Since then I don't want to hear about Dell, no matter how good they are. Same will happen to Motorola. They are dead and buried to me! Closed page!
[Defy General] joydeep1985:
Why not someone write a good article with title as WHY WE SHOULD NOT BUY MOTO DEVICES . so that whenever a search result comes for unlocked bootloader. The user would see that article in 1st rank instead of motorola support forums links . And that would be an eye opener for the rest of the people who wants to buy defy ..
[Defy General] Sigray:
Can you use your Motorola mobile for calling, sending message, etc? Can you use it with CM/MiUi? Yeah, the unlocked bootloader is fine, but come on guys, if anyone wants to buy a Motorola phone because its quality, do that without any bad feeling. The unlocked bootloader is a big plus, but its possible to live without it.
[Defy General] mihovil13:
At least half of the people that posts here doesn't even know what will they get if Motorola will eventually unlock bootloaders.

The plus can be one of these things : USB OTG, MHL adapter etc

But there is a big chance that those things won't work on Defy's hardware.

As Sigray already said, you can surely live without unlocked BL.
[Defy General] Auris 1.6 vvt-i:
You can surely live without camera on your phone, but back in the days, when camera did not work on ICS, it used to be a huge issue for you, like it was for every one else (including me ;)), right? I just want to be able to use full functionality of the hardware I have purchased my friend. ;)

No doubt that locked boot loader is a great feature and insurance for the regular user, but we should at least be given the choice weather to unlock our BL or not.

Cheers. ;)
[Defy General] mihovil13:
I agree :)

Offtopic : I like GB better than ICS :) It seems pretty faster, not talking about Defy.
[Defy General] Pallmalli:
+1. What I do with the phone after they get my hard earned money is my da.. business! !!:mad:
[Defy General] Quarx:
I tried it but can't find "magical option "Set up Cloud""

3.4.3-11
[Defy General] 57op:
Damn...

I'm downloading 3.4.2_177-003 (BLUR, ITA, Froyo 2.2.2), within tomorrow i'll try it.

At the moment, my defy battery is over... recharging
[Defy General] samcripp:
it be nice to hear from those trying. what are the errors you guys encounter. whats going on in general. it also be nice to get a system.img of your latest official build, for tmo usa. so i can see whethere the files need adjusting or so on.

guys you need to search for your own unlock. i dont have a defy. but if you tell me what are the errors you guys are seeing i might be able to help you
[Defy General] kirpeace:
sea rom is blurless
[Defy General] samcripp:
i know you guys want to go out and try this on just anything but you cant.

ONLY TRY THIS ON LATEST TMO USA BUILD. not cm7, not gingerbread, but the latest OFFCIAL TMO usa build. once we get usa working we shall figure out the rest of the world!
[Defy General] ephumuris:
Does it have to be full sbf flash or just fixed sbf and nandroid?

Ephumuris.
[Defy General] 57op:
I think it's the same.

Anyway, is 3.4.2-107 (TMobile US) latest Tmobile version? It's a bit old...
[Defy General] cloogshizer:
This might be stupid, but wasn't there something with the leaked (yes, I read that only stock matters) GB SBFs that requires to change the Moto server in order to use the old MotoBlur accounts?

Maybe they contain a hint to the "Cloud"?
[Defy General] 57op:
It may be.

I've tried italian froyo version, but i couldn't find "Cloud Setup". :(

I'll try something later...
[Defy General] Antszej:
Guys, I think that we wont find anything for out Defy - MB525 .. We should try to search MB526 build... But how?

DEFY@2.3.4-134
[Defy General] ephumuris:
I don't understand this method? Is there just a certain rom that will automatically unlock the bootloader? Is there a special update? What is this cloud thing?

I want to get involved :)

Is it an unreleased update that allows to unlock with fastboot?
[Defy General] polaris441:
Does defy has fastboot mode?
[Defy General] keewanchoapsss:
If the defy had fastboot it would be so much easier to flash roms...my old gt540 had fastboot and flashing was a doddle. No cwm needed or anything
[Defy General] 57op:
If i'm not wrong, we should find a release which unlocks our bootloaders ( like atrix ).

BTW, i'm only following what samcripp said. I hope we will succeed :).

I'd like to have more info too, i still can't find cloud option.
[Defy General] samcripp:
Basicly what you are looking for is an ota!

The test servers are full of test builds. that special moto testers get access to.

im not promising anything. but it is possible that pone of those builds has a boot loader capable of unlocking the device.

if you do manage to download one of this builds do not install it. just recover the update zip from cache.

remove the bootloader, and under linux do the following command

strings bootloader.img | grep -i unlock
[Defy General] demolition23:
Can anyone make a cmd to download on pc? I remember there was one for HTC.

Sent from my MOTO Defy :-)
[Defy General] Quarx:
3.4.2_179-6.1 doesn't has it too ..

in this ROM "etc \ motorola \ com.motorola.blur.setup \ defaults.xml"

<boolean name='CloudPreference' value='false'/>

changed to "true"

changed server.

wipe

There is nothing happened

Anyone tried it on stock 2.3?
[Defy General] Quarx:
Ok, i get this option at 2.2.2 3.4.2_179-6.1, but i think others ROMs has it too :)

"Set up cloud"

Choosed server "master-dev.blurdev.com" because Master-lab.blurdev.com & master-demo.blurdev.com not works.

About phone - System updates - "Your device is up to date"

will try other servers.
[Defy General] 57op:
I'm on gingerbread, where does "Set up cloud" exactly appear?

A screenshot would be useful.
[Defy General] Quarx:
After phone boot.. at the Setup Wizard press menu key, and you can see this option.

How to get option:

[B]in system/build.prop[/B]
ro.build.type=user -> eng
[B]in "etc\motorola\com.motorola.blur.setup\defaults.xml"[/B]
<boolean name='CloudPreference' value='false'/> -> true
[B]in "etc\motorola\com.motorola.blur.service.blur\defaults.xml"[/B]
Chage the server name.
<string name="blur.service.ws.masterCloud">server_name</string>
[B]Wipe[/B]

In Cloud Setup already has many servers (no need change manually).. but scrolling so hard