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[Defy General] blackwing182:
if there is no bootloader unlock fro defy, we can not use kexec for defy? can this work and could be there a risk of somthing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kexec

Potential Unlock/Trick/Bypass Approaches

- Find the command force unlock fuse to be set (unlock command outside of the bootloader fastboot)

- Trick the phone to not check the unlock fuse and always report the phone as unlocked

- Trick the phone never to run the signature checking code

- Trick the phone to assume that the boot and recovery partitions are "regular" partitions and not signed ones

- Find a flaw in the signature such that you can sign the partition as if you are Moto

- Get kexec to work so that a new custom kernel can be loaded after kernel is first loaded (kinda like 2nd-init)
[Defy General] free2live:
That looks like a couple of months work and even than we don't know if it will succeed. If anybody here knows Racca-check my previous posts- and he still has his Defy wiyh the unlock bootloader maybe we can copy his bootloader to all Defys around the world.

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[Defy General] nitrous²:
This was the way, we did it on the Milestone....god old times.
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Why we don't send a pm to him?
[Defy General] free2live:
You can try. I personally don't know him and I'm not as ure he will answer my PM.

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[Defy General] blackwing182:
if any pne here got a defy bootloader unlocked it wold be a miracle, trust me, no one here would get a motorola OMAP bootloader unlock until motorola relased him, so Raccas defy bootloader is more fake than me walking in the space w/o oxigen
[Defy General] nitrous²:
I dont know, i mean he has wrote something like; its very dangerous. It sounds plausible for me, that he isn't coming out with it.

---EDIT---13:30GMT+1---

That's it, I've tried every server on this Gingerbread ROM 2.3.4/4.5.1-134 :(
[Defy General] free2live:
i've tried several rom's on all servers...i've contacted Moto through email a few minutes ago about the bootloader..Let's see what i answer i'll get...I'll keep you posted

---EDIT---13:38CMT+1---

reply from MOTO:

Your question has been received. You should expect a response from us within 24 hours.
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Ok, Racca hasn't got a Defy with an unlocked bootloader. He's just able to flash boot.img's which aren't signed.
[Defy General] ofmb:
... and it shouldn't be underestimated - flashing a custom kernel is one of the main advantages of an unlocked bl

but AFAIR Racca's phone and partitions were investigated and the assumption is that it's a hardware thingy
[Defy General] nitrous²:
What do you mean with "Hardware Thingy"? Does he have an unique Defy? On the discussions before I've read something like he would have an Dev Phone, but I didn't really understood what was going on. Could you explain that?
[Defy General] blackwing182:
milestone, atrix 4g cliq 2 are similar in HW is just a mater of time to figure out how to make the hack work :)
[Defy General] free2live:
Agree with you: flashing custom kernel is main advantage and that's what we are looking for.. I wonder if someone else could flash unsigned boot img. I'm willing to try if someone could provide me a custom boot/ kernel

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[Defy General] blackwing182:
for that we need to adapt the x10 hack to work with TI omap HW in other words make it compatible for any defy aviable :)
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Shouldn't we open up a new Thread for that? Because the method which we are talk about right now is not "Project Cheescake". Just a suggestion ;) Also it would be more conspicuously than this Thread, because many of the Defy users have given up the hope of an unlocked bootloader, ergo; with a new thread we spark interest on this topic again!
[Defy General] free2live:
+1

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[Defy General] blackwing182:
ok then ill open it soon, let me re compile all the info abut this and ill go for it
[Defy General] blackwing182:
i think that raccas defy is mor locked down than my motorola defy im 100% that is a super big lie!
[Defy General] blackwing182:
CAN THIS WORK? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1018260
[Defy General] drwario:
I'm not worried about breaking my defy. I am able to replace my defy easily. Plus I have a backup phone. I would gladly be a Guinea pig for any attempt. Especially the archos 8 deal
[Defy General] free2live:
Answer from MOTO about bootloader unlock:

Thank you for contacting Motorola.

In response to your e-mail,we would like to confirm that to change the firmware of your phone you will have to root the phone (unlock the Bootloader) and it will void the warranty. Unfortunately we cannot provide you any details how to perform unauthorized changes in the software. Also we cannot confirm if the Bootloader will be unlocked in the future.

For any further assistance or information please do not hesitate to contact us again,quoting your Customer Reference number.

Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.

Kind regards,

Motorola Mobile Devices Contact www.motorola.com Customer By Web Form (Free Tolive) 27/12/2011 08.55 PM

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[Defy General] nitrous²:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1414769

This sounds interesting, isn't it? Maybe a way to bypass boot verfication? I'm not very good at this. So I hope for someone here who could interpret this?
[Defy General] free2live:
Nah..that's just a trick to get into bootloader not to bypass it... If we want an unlocked bootloader we have to change our phones..MOTO will never unlock the bootloader....:(:(:(
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Cool project name :)
[Defy General] mainbord:
It not absolutely so. Motorola Atrix has fastboot and the signed unlocked bootloader. In the way of search even if to sign the bootloader, it will not turn out to find anything as protects efuse. Defy has no fastboot.
[Defy General] nitrous²:
I'm going to start a new campaign for experienced android users;

"Why to never buy a Moto and Why you'll freak out if you do though"

Seriously, I'm going 2 sell my Defy for about 160€. It's almost a new, never used

piece of sh**...don't tell me we wouldn't need an unlocked bootloader!!

Ohoo, watch out, really!! It's a morally problem I have. I bought an Android device with the assumption; It's an OpenSource thingy> I can do whatever I want with the support of a great community. Well, the community is still great and the Device is still great, but moto has managed to limit the options of this result of engineering art on a very high level. Congrats Moto, you've done it!

This recommendation comes from the deepest place of my soul;

Never ever touch a Moto again!

That's it, I'm done with that sh**:mad:
[Defy General] free2live:
+1

MOTO is changing the meaning of OPEN SOURCE
[Defy General] mpiekp:
Bit of an over reaction,moto are not changing open source, there are many companies that lock their devices or will not provide details/code to use their hardware and have done for years.

The only thing that's changed there is more people are getting exposed to it through great things like android
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Just because companies doin' this for years doesn't justifies those methods...

It's like:

Me drivin' my car stoned and caught by a police officer: I'm really sorry, but just for my defense; I'm doin' this for couple of years

Officer: Oh, didn't know that. In this case, you're allowed to drive...

isn't it??
[Defy General] free2live:
Totally agree with you

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[Defy General] sakitobaki:
I can't believe there's still people defending moto attitude. Who are they?! Why they doing that?! Do they have any benefits for doing that?!

Defy-CM7.1.0-11
[Defy General] mpiekp:
You miss my point, I am not defending moto, or saying they are right, I'm defending open source projects. My comment was in response to moto is changing open source, they are not it is an age old battle not a new one. But open source like nature usually finds a way.

It's not just your phone that's locked, it's your pc, your router, your dvds etc
[Defy General] blackwing182:
going to sell my defy to buy me a new HTC device or a samsung phone and ill never touch buy or mod any motorola phone! crapy marketing policy, every new samsung or HTC device come whit unlocked bootloader and very very easy to mod! even the kernels are updated! so i quit for motorola moding!
[Defy General] hackergnome:
Just two of u(or more)

moto doesn't care!

need to find a better method to scare those as*****!!
[Defy General] blackwing182:
better method, sell all motorola devices or burn it up! al moto crapy phones! xD
[Defy General] free2live:
Try placing explosives under their building :) :) :)

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[Defy General] balika01:
F^°˘°˘`˘đ<[ä$Đł OFF MOTO! WHY LOCKED THE BOOTLOADER????:mad::mad::mad:
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Dude, you're scaring me :D

But, actually an attac would fit in my stereotyped image as a muslim...so, seems legit for me :D

If I helped you, please feel free to hit the thx button.
[Defy General] free2live:
I am not Muslim but I look like 1 :D looks like we're both on the same boat

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[Defy General] nitrous²:
Be careful, I'm sure there are FBI/Interpol agents right now who are watchin' us :D

Ok, this thread is getting more and more out of hand :S

If I helped you, please feel free to hit the thx button.
[Defy General] free2live:
I think I doesn't matter how this thread looks like... DEFY'S BOOTLOADER WILL NEVER BE UNLOCKED....WTF MOTO OWNERS HAVE NO RIGHTS

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[Defy General] blackwing182:
i think the xperia x10 can boot custom kernel form sdcard bypassing signature checks
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Can you share the Link with us?
[Defy General] blackwing182:
eddit are for unlocked bootloaders
[Defy General] samcripp:
I think blackwing means is that x10 got functional kexec, is not hard to implement. Im sure whoever was working on defy tried atleast kexec once, and the info should be out there.

you could compile kexec as a kernel module. upon kexec activation the kernel reboots to whatever kernel is specify

so you could have a custom kernel.

if i had to choose btn the 2ndinit you guys use and kexec. i put my money on kexec. now im not sure the kernel on your phone and the source, but look into it for custom kernels
[Defy General] blackwing182:
in linux OS you can freez the system before BIOS load the main kernel and exec other than the original (i think this is what i read) ill post info latter , in android OS yakk developer i think of 2ndboot for milestone , made an kexec for milestone (omap device) and fully loaded a custom kenel after before bootloader (MBM or CTD) checks but the system crashes, what is causing the system crashes is unknown but is plausible to boot it

---------- Post added at 07:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:39 PM ----------

this is what i read and is for ARMv7

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1361943
[Defy General] samcripp:
Rooting

As of April 1, 2011, the bootloader has been bypassed via kexec which enables the loading of custom kernels. Custom ROMs have been developed, however they still use the 2.1 kernel so some features such as native Wi-Fi tethering are missing. As of January 20, 2011 there are two custom roms being developed based on 2.2 (both of which have working camera drivers).[17] All X10 devices running the Gingerbread firmware (2.3.x) are vulnerable to the zergRush rooting method.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_X10
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Some interesting sites about "kexec"

http://www.solemnwarning.net/kexec-loader/readme.html

http://kexecboot.org/documentation/configure_options

Any idea how to compile this for the Defy? I would LOVE to do that, but I'm not a Dev nor have any clue about this :(

I feel like a little bee trying to slack a fire...no stupid comments please, I know this is a bad metaphor...
[Defy General] balika01:
x10 SPLBOOT.KO source!
[Defy General] free2live:
I know you are developing linux.. Can you modify this for Defy? Is there any chance it will work .. I'll help with testing

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[Defy General] nitrous²:
A little OT, but I guess it's healthy to calm down in this "times of turmoil".

It's kinda funny. Before I bought my Defy, I didn't know that its bootloader is locked. Funnily enough this song had played in the background in the moment as I realized it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEj-C0ACP_w&list=FL11d1QhTcHNeeIBGkEtrpJw&index=73&feature=plpp_video

I hope you can imagine how hard i hit the rock bottom...
[Defy General] blackwing182:
+1 on this :)
[Defy General] balika01:
Sorry! I im not developing linux :/
[Defy General] free2live:
But wrote some scripts for Android. I think something about 1% battery... Something like that... Am I mistaking?

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[Defy General] balika01:
im programing in java, sh and little apk. Android including java, c and sh.

OTHER:

x10 miniloader source!

EDIT:

run.sh to splboot and miniloader (i shink this is the kexec)

EDIT 2:

modded boot.img 2.2 kernel and 2.3.6 ramdisk (whitout moto's sign)
[Defy General] free2live:
Ok. From my point of view we obly have to modify these scripts with Defy parameters and we can try it. Correct me if I'm wrong... Blagodaria(Thanks) anyway

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[Defy General] free2live:
Please PM me the steps to use this in order not to mess up completely :D

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[Defy General] mpiekp:
We also need the kernel module, kexec is no use without it. So we need moto kernel source OR use cm sources with kexec enabled. Load that kernel via 2nd init then load full 3 series kernel from there.
[Defy General] balika01:
i already posted the X10's kernel module source : http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20773902&postcount=248
[Defy General] free2live:
downloaded all files...in the morning i'll pray and flash it.. .. keep your fingers crossed...Little help with the steps would be appreciated....

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[Defy General] nitrous²:
May god be with you!

If I helped you, please feel free to hit the thx button.
[Defy General] mpiekp:
yes but you still need at least the kernel headers to compile against, if the option to support it is enabled. But you can guarantee that option will be off, hence the need for the full source.
[Defy General] samcripp:
t-mobile defy latetst source code

http://sourceforge.net/projects/moto-defy.motorola/files/DEFY TMO/3.4.2-107-JDN-9/
[Defy General] nitrous²:
@free2live

are you still alive? Do you have any news? This is the last chance for the Defy. If it doesn't work, I'm going 2 to have to say: Goodbye Defy and hello "random phone with unlockable bootloader"....any phone, just any phone, but mainly no moto...
[Defy General] free2live:
yes.. still alive ...i didnt flash the things balika sent me because i sold today my backup phone(samsung i900 omnia 16gb) and i dont want to be left without a phone for the holidays...also i was doing a lot of reading today and i would that's a 1 in a million chance for us to bypass or unlock the bootloader... untill further software comes out we'll have to stick to waht we have or get ourselves new phones
[Defy General] Kayant:
Motorola are fat liars

I also contacted motorola about unlocking the bootloader for international users and here's their reply :

Thank you for contacting Motorola.

We are very sorry to inform you that Motorola will not provide unlock boot loaders or any way to unlock them. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.

:mad: defiantly no hope for us from motorola.

I would also boycott but am on a contract and still a student..... I wish i could help but i just started learning java :( but best wishes to our devs cause they're super awesome:D and i hope they can still find a way around this.

Also are there still any roms that need to be looked at i don't mind looking i have some spare time.
[Defy General] free2live:
Wake up... Bootloader will NEVER BE UNLOCKED.... At least not by Moto

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[Defy General] viper.:
It all depends who will get your questions @moto.

2010 ? Maybe 2011..
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Ok, 3 questions;

This e-mail was received on 8/12, I am researchin like a freak to find such infos, why I didn't have seen this before which take us to the next question;

Why you didn't posted this before? Now some of us are on the way to sell our "defucks"

And the last question: can we take this info credible at all? I mean, common, it's moto we're talkin about

Sry for the vulgar synonym to the defy

(A combo of Defy and ****...)

If I helped you, please feel free to hit the thx button.

---Edit---22:03GMT+1

Well its not because I'm livin in europe. You're askin why this matters? If you own a Moto in europe, you'll feel like isolated from the rest of the earth. They're givin a flying fu** about their customers. More than in the US. Yea, I know, you thought "how could such a bad support be more worse?!"
[Defy General] cardozclive:
Is there anything common between defy's bootloader and atrix's bootloader? If yes then we can adapt the same method which is used to unlock atrix's bootloader.:confused:
[Defy General] samcripp:
they are completely different bootloaders
[Defy General] blackwing182:
i change device but not leaving the thread! :) ill be posting and helping! sooner ill get my mothers defy! :), another red lens 2 :)
[Defy General] hackergnome:
ohh nicyy!
[Defy General] viper.:
I dont see any important stuff there,like :"we will give files out in q3 2012"...

Thats the reason why i havent post it earlier.I dont want to make hype from nothing.

IF you want some information from moto then you should spam them "every day"( more often) and eventually someone will give you the real response to the mail. (most of the time thats just a copy paste of premade text)
[Defy General] kyle77680:
yes why couldn't spam ALL them saying that we are ready to boycott their brand ;)

Isn't it a good idea ? :)
[Defy General] cardozclive:
Can we have the email id of motorola's concerned department. I'll do my part. Will bombard their inbox with bulk emails asking them to unlock the bootloader and maybe even other members can also do the same.
[Defy General] free2live:
Moto's email

try this: https://motorola-global-en-uk.custhelp.com/app/utils/login_form/redirect/ask it's the US customer care.you must be registered.or you can register new account...Good luck
[Defy General] nitrous²:
I admire to your enthusiasm, but I'm not sure if this is a good idea...nevermind, it's our last option!

If I helped you, please feel free to hit the thx button.
[Defy General] kyle77680:
I use this address to send an email but no answer since 28/12/2011 10:28 AM :)

EDIT :

ANSWER :

And why not find their n° no paying (no surtaxing) to spam their call center ;)
[Defy General] viper.:
Yeah thats one of these "premade auto answers".

Maybe we should send questions regarding the defy+ not just defy.

And as free2live have said its a customer care .. web form-where you can submit your questions.
[Defy General] Kayant:
I just posted this on the forums let's see how long it takes them to reply because my last one they deleted it when they changed the forums.

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/eacf72d3dd
[Defy General] free2live:
they will just ignore it...they always do..but we have to keep trying
[Defy General] viper.:
Indeed, forums arent so good because they (moto)dont have to answer those questions.

BUT emails(by webform) are different story as that is like somekind of help desk ..yeah customer care, so they have to answer something.

p.s. post just news if you got something new on that case. Less spam in thread..

We all know what most of the answers will be(we are sorry,no bl. unlcok ..etc).
[Defy General] blackwing182:
yes like im sorrry motorola doesent have any plans for unlock the bootloader, we will continue with our policy, regards - Mark

jajajajajaja pice of **** Mark i remember him for the 2.1 update for t mobile cliq xt the thread was so huge that they need to close it and re-open it becouse the thread was so big that they are slowering down the forum jajajaja and then thy re-open a new thread and it gets the same amount! lol the update was never rel and the cliq xt remains on android 1.5 but thanx to turl, adlx and mastermind ( developers) and me( themer) , from modmymobile we work thogether to rel custom roms eclair, froyo and gingerbread, and now we are working on ICS , a port made from the HTC hero :)

SO DONT RUST OR COUNT ON MOTOROLA AND NEVER BUY A MOTOROLA PHONE
[Defy General] nitrous²:
Ok guys, it's not the right place to talk about this but...looks like I'll change my Defy with a Samsung Galaxy S i9000 but still not sure if I should do it.

Edit---12/31/2011---14:22GMT+1

finally, I'm out of the moto club. Hello samsung with unlockable bootloader xD
[Defy General] samcripp:
Hmm

I know as a person who dosnt own the device I prob dont have much room to talk. But I started this thread to let you guys in on how to search for new BUILDS and BOOTLOADER UNLOCKS, so if we could please get the thread back into topic I would really appreciate it!
[Defy General] mpiekp:
Read this, its what you were trying but does not require the device just curl :)

http://and-developers.com/sbf#rsd_web_service
[Defy General] samcripp:
actually thats nothing like search8ing test servers, the test servers serve future otas, and eng builds are more common, versus fishing for sbf, which by the way is completely ilegal, and that link you posted should be remove by a mod.

sbf are strictly for companies and their distribution is illegal unless moto or the telco decide they want to distribute it.

searching the test server isnt illegal. unless you have sing an nda, in which case dont do it
[Defy General] mpiekp:
Actually, I doubt it's anymore illegal to check for the latest update for your phone model only than altering your phone to be a test engineers, creating a new false account and attempting to obtain unreleased software :)
[Defy General] samcripp:
unfortunately it is, the servers that host sbf are for internal use only, and there is strict contracts that are placed btn moto and the carriers so no one gains the info to get into them. until some dumb employee somewhere releases it.

the test servers are no secrete, for the longest times the settings to enter them simply shipped on blur devices until someone notice and erase them, there is no contract other than the ones who sing nda, and to access them you don't require a special key.

i could go on, on why sbf fishing is illegal and def not recommended. but is up to the users.

do something illegal

or do something anyone can do!

your choice :D
[Defy General] effendi9:
I think what should be illegal is locking bootloaders when people shell out their hard-earned money for these devices. There are things far worse than probing for .sbf files. :rolleyes:
[Defy General] hackergnome:
Flood Moto Forum!!

Motorola Defy US with MoToBlur!!
[Defy General] kyle77680:
that's interesting !! :)

-http://www.wakeupmoto.com/solution.html

- and How can we use kexec ? I've seen this here but how to do works with the defy ?

- An idea !!
[Defy General] rxmd:
If I understand http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15946534#post15946534 correctly, then the unlocked bootloader on the engineering Defys isn't even in the user flashable parts of the phone, so there is no way of fishing it from an SBF. So unlike the Atrix, this approach won't work on the Defy. No point in hammering the test servers for SBFs if those SBFs don't contain what you're looking for to begin with.

Myself, unlike Motorola makes good on their promises I'll move away from Motorola with my next phone. Vote with your feet.
[Defy General] mpiekp:
Yeah think the only way it May be done is proding at the bootloader via rdlr. But that's pretty much gonna kill a ton of handsets.
[Defy General] free2live:
We cannot ve sure that bootloader is not part of nand because Racca promised a full nand dump of his system but I cannot find it anywhere. The bootloader is in mmcblk1p2 if I'm not mistaking... You are more experienced you can check a full sbf.

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[Defy General] blackwing182:
how can we lash that bootloader partition? if we can get that dump!