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[HTC Sensation] MrPhilo:
Hey man, I have both phones but... the Samsung Galaxy S2 is indeed better than HTC Sensation hardware.

First of the CPU in Sensation is 'somewhat' similar to an Cortex A8 (I said similar, it use's nearly identical instructions) whereas the CPU in SGS2 is Cortex A9 which obviously we all should know is superior than Cortex A8 which I don't know how you guys got into saying that the CPU is better.

For the GPU. During April and May (I think) that was when the driver was bad (search up previous benchmark during April and May on youtube for Samsung Galaxy S2). After Samsung updated the driver and bumped the clockspeed up it was alot better (Quadrant April was around 30fps? Now solid 60fps (current and can go higher if uncapped)).

Adreno 220 is good but isn't better than the Mali 400.

Fine since Quadrant isn't really a reliable benchmark, how about Smartbenchmark 2011?

SGS2:

Productivity (CPU) - 4000 average

GPU: 2400 average (Although that is due to the capped 60fps)

Sensation:

Productivity (CPU) - 2600 average

GPU: 1600 average

First of software isn't the thing holding it back (Adreno 220) okay as quite a few mention its about the software and stuff. It is mosty likely the driver for the Adreno 220. Fine the resolution is 35% more. So 1600x0.35 is 560. 1600+560 is 2160. This is an estimate of the score, it may differ but its most likely around this score. Whereas Samsung Galaxy S2 is capped at 60fps so we can't really say its an accurate score as well.

I've been playing about with these phones for 1 month so far and each benchmark the SGS2 is superior as well as daily use the battery like is alot better of the SGS2 as I have used each phone for a week and know the difference by now!!

Im fan of both phone and I don't really like to bias on one side but everything I stated isn't opinion but true facts that I have gathered.

CPU: SGS2 > Sensation

GPU: Mali 400 > Adreno 220

Battery life: SGS2 > Sensation

Design 1: Sensation (With a case so dust dont come in) > SGS2

Design 2: SGS2 > Sensation (More stable, less problems like wifi drop etc dust etc)

Ohhhhh and as for Velamo I got 989 on stock rom + kernel on SGS2 and 1003 on custom rom.

NO HATE, I love both phones but Samsung Galaxy S2 is more superior for now, but who cares. I'll be getting Tegra 3 first phone when it's out :D
[HTC Sensation] orangekid:
Couple thoughts here:

The CPU/GPU is only as good as the drivers that use them. Would you rather have an i7 with **** drivers that hindered performance or an i5 with perfect drivers that utilized the chip's cores perfectly? Do you want to run a laggy game or not? Would you rather own a faster horse with a terrible jockey or a slightly slower horse with someone who knew how to ride?

At the current state the Sensation's drivers are fubar and I would take stock SGS2 over stock Sensation any day.

having said that let's look at a reciprocal example.

The hummingbird CPU is faster than the 1st gen QSD in every way and the Vibrant should theoretically run faster and better than an Evo 4G right?

Anyone here use both devices on stock ROM? The vibrant runs like complete **** compared to ANY 1st gen QSD device, I'd rather own a Nexus One any day of the week. But slap on CM7 and look out.

As far as raw power it is impossible to show the Sensation beating the SGS2 in a practical way.

But let's look at some other factors here.

1) The SGS2 may never be able to run Sense

2) Let's try a custom ROM Sense3 instead of this ****ty stock B.S. and let's talk.

3) Let's look at the development of both phones, who's got more development now here HTC or Samsung? The HD2 (WinMo 6.5) has more Android development than any native Samsung Android phone I can think of!

4) TW4 is LIGHT and hw accelerated, Sense3 is HEAVY and no hw accelerated afaik, big difference.

Having said all that, we can develop around the hardware all day, but in the end, I'll take qHD on SLCD over WVGA on SAMOLED+ any day. I'll take metal and the feel of a solid object over the plastic cheap feel of Samsung. I'll take more ROMs, kernels, options, etc. I'll take the Sensatoin over the SGS2.

But to try to give a vague hardware stat that doersn't come close to real time application isn't going to cut it (@ OP)
[HTC Sensation] Teso Dos Bichos:
Samsung takes this one because they can utilise and optimise their own components whereas HTC is forced to outsource to the lowest bidder and deal with the consequences.
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
Semi-relevant:

If you're anxiously waiting for the US SGS2 it looks like the initial version is going to come with a keyboard.

http://gizmodo.com/5824802/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-superphone-gets-a-full-keyboard-on-att

On ATT, to be released in August.

This will extend the time the Sensation is the best phone in the US for me.
[HTC Sensation] claud_face:
Lol yes!!! Att you are fools. Well at least to the majority of people here who I presume wouldn't want a keyboard.

Ever since I got my ultra thin sleek tpu case and chichitec battery I am in love with this sensation. Amazing.
[HTC Sensation] claud_face:
Hercules will be the game changer for many though.
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
The next game changer is always just a few months away...

Personally I have no need or desire to carry around a bigger screen. Also, still 800x480? Not good.
[HTC Sensation] orangekid:
Some people prefer samoled+ wvga over slcd qhd.

personally i'd go qhd, but it's not an objective winner by any means.

"bigger screen": I mean does the 1/5 of an inch really make much of a difference one way or the other?
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
I compare my Sensation to my Vibrant and much prefer the Sensation screen. But as you say that's personal preference. Haven't seen a SGS2 so can't say how that screen compares. The form factor and resolution are issues though, which to me are big pluses for HTC.

Regarding size it's not the screen size so much as the phone size. The Sensation packs more screen into a very ergonomic package. It really comes down to holding it, so we'll see, but just spec wise I don't see anything in the Hercules that changes the game for me. But I have zero interest in benchmarks.
[HTC Sensation] orangekid:
I agree, it's not a "game changer" per-se, we'll see if the Samsung stock ROM utilizes the snapdragon better than the Sensation does.
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
Except for one thing there's nothing that's lacking on the Sensation for me. Everyone has their own priorities. For me the next big thing would be for a phone to eliminate my need to carry a camera.

(Sorry for the diversion)
[HTC Sensation] brownhornet:
lol.. sorry but I have to call BS on this one. HTC may focus solely on phones, but that was the case during the Touch Pro keyboard debacle, the Hero dust under the screen issues.. which both the 3D and the Sensation STILL have. The tilted screens on the 3D, low reception issues, dead pixels, light leakage... etc. The manufacturer means nothing without good QC and thats something HTC has definitely been lacking on just as Samsung has.
[HTC Sensation] brusko1972:
Here is something for you to read. This is not my opinion but from some other site

This is the 3rd generation of the insanely successful Qualcomm snapdragon series. It Sports a dual-core 1.5ghz asynchronous Scorpion Chipset and adreno 220 GPU. It has arguably the best CPU and GPU in the dual-cores. The CPU being asynchronous can be a real battery saver. Both the cores can run at different voltages and speed at the same time. So if you are running a single threaded process that is going to use only one of the CPU the second one doesnt need to scale with the first one thus only one of the CPU run at full speed other waiting for its turn to come. It supports all the ARM instructions including NEON and has a 128-bit pipeline rather than 64 bit found in all other CPU thus a better speed. According to Qualcomm it is faster than the CPU found in OMAP4 which till now showing the fastest speed, so we can say it sports one of the best CPUs out there. Linpack Scores are around 48 - 49 mflops . It's a tad slower in native calculations than the competition but native applications are mostly games that rely more on the GPU.

This chipset ships in the Samsung Galaxy S II the successor of the most popular android phone to date. The CPU is a 1.2 GHz Dual core synchronous Cortex A9. It is one of the best CPUs to ship to date on par with the Qualcomm 8x60 scoring a 47 in Linpack which a Java CPU benchmark. Only problem here is that cores are synchronous so battery may not be as good as of the Qualcomm 8x60. Rest is all top notch. Its a real performer. It too supports all ARM Instruction but has a 64 bit pipeline.

sensation chip has 128 bit pipeline while sgs2 chip only has 64 bit pipeline.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
Everyone keeps talking about better battery life due to the asynchronous nature of the chip. That doesn't seem to be transferring well in to real life experience based on peoples comments. Unless the unified CPU/GPU is sucking up all the theoretic benefit.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
You're right, this will be interesting to watch. If Samsung writes better drivers and code and the chipset really is not being properly utilized this will prove it. If the Hercules performs like the Sensation then you have to question the chipset's capabilities.
[HTC Sensation] The Radius Kid:
Agreed.

I remember buying my first Intel dual core laptop.

With the cores running asynchronis,the temps were 28 and 43 C.

With KB 896256 installed [dual core synchronizer] the temps were 32 and 32-36 C max.

The reasoning was [for those who don't know] that when you throttled one core and brought it up as necessary,there was a shock to the slower core causing performance issues,long term damage and glitching as well as undue stress on the cores.

I saw no difference in battery life,but the performance was much better.

Maybe HTC needs to take a page from other cpu manufacturers lessons?
[HTC Sensation] Mainspring:
Samsung really needs to ditch the touchwiz UI and come up with something better.

it's so freaking ugly.

while at it stop putting out with what looks like a iphone reject in the case design.

I'd love me a Samsung but damn... give me something more original.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
I think TW looks better with every update. What's so ugly about it now? They took away those stupid colored boxes around the icons which was the only thing I didn't like. It now pretty much looks like any of the launchers most of us use. In fact, TW is more like a launcher than a invasive UI. Personally, I like the direction Samsung is moving in. There UI is getting less intrusive but HTC is making there's more intrusive. In TW, you take away the horizontal scrolling app drawer and it looks more like Android than any other UI.
[HTC Sensation] howdid:
http://twitpic.com/662r5i
[HTC Sensation] androidkid311:
Hhaha! Bang hes nailed it :).

Sent from my porn shoot using GT-I9100.
[HTC Sensation] barondebxl:
It doesn't matter look at the galaxy s 2 who isn't on ice cream sandwich obviously and still kicks the sensation ( and every other phones) behin
[HTC Sensation] barondebxl:
I agree, first of all none of us know if the US galaxy s2 variants will come with the exynos or Qualcomm or Tegra 2 SoC. And I have a feeling that even if the Hercules for example, comes with the Qualcomm processor it will perform better than the sensation.
[HTC Sensation] jldiablo:
Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-_5ft7Pntg&feature=relmfu

just to show you guys how amazing the "true black" screen of SGS2 looks over the sensation's SLCD...

I had one Sensation, but now I switched to the SGS2, and I really think that the SGS2 out performs Sensation in every aspects...

the so called "console quality" gpu on Sensation can't even handle some simple games smoothly.. it maybe because of the **** driver, but what if HTC never release a better driver for it just as what they have done to the HTC Kaiser? With the Samsung, smooth experinces all the time, daily use or gaming..

768MB RAM of Sensation really isn't enough nowadays.. I remember that with the Sense 3.0, the Sensation only allows 100MB+ of free RAM for other apps.. but 3D games from EA or Gameloft could easily take up 100MB+ of RAM... on the other hand, SGS2 gives you nearly 400MB of free RAM to play with..

Sensation recognizes only 4 finger touches but SGS2 can do 10..

SGS2 has USB to Go, HSPA plus, better speaker, better battery life etc etc...

SGS2 is lighter and thinner, even with a tough case, it will still fit into your jeans pocket

however the main reason for my switch to SGS2 was the screen failure...I had 4 HTC phones over the past few years,

HTC Kaiser - listed with superior spec at that time, but HTC never bother to release a graphics driver for it.. thus poor performance..

HTC Touch HD was fine w/o any major problem..

HTC Touch HD2 (running Android) - touch screen failure, screen connector under power button, pressing the button will slowly damage the connector and one day the screen will stop recognizing any touch...

now Sensation again with another screen failure... lol.. I thought this phone gonna be my best buy ever, but after a week of use, just full of disappointments...

now I had enough disappointments with HTC, and it is time to switch to other brand.. and I am happy right now:D
[HTC Sensation] iwang:
Sgs2 is definitely faster..light weight body..equal better power-to-weight radio..hehe

I guess both are good, but personally I prefer plain android..simple, fast and less battery consuming. touchwiz is close to it. Even then you still have to freeze some bloatware to save battery.
[HTC Sensation] xtcislove:
OMG can we just stop comparing this devices?

Its very annoying!

For me the Sensation is just a great Phone!

For the Sgs2 users the SGS2 is a great Phone!

**** off Benchmarks -.- They say nothing about the User´s experience!

Sense is better then TouchWiz thats the only thing that i can say! But this is only ME!

I dont like Plastic i dont like Samsung! BUT ITS MY OPINION! For me the Sensation is better in every way!

Why are you comparing!? This is so stupid and senseless

be happy with your phone or buy EVERY phone that is new!
[HTC Sensation] henrik.dk:
It is good to compare. If you think it is silly, just not get into here.
[HTC Sensation] Akatosh:
Well having owned the sensation and my brother and best friend owning the sgs2 i can say that they both lack in areas where the other doesn't. Ok, pure speed, ( i'd say due to sense but thats just me), the sgs2 is much faster HOWEVER, i have had comparisons with both phones running cyanogenmod and i'm not being biast, by the other owner's admission, the sensation seemed faster ( both at default speeds, no overclocking) but yet again only by just a bit. The SGS2 os, to my taste is awful, sense, no matter how much stabs your phone in the braion, it's better for me. The sensation's build is better but the sgs2 has more onboard storage. The sensation has a better screen resolution but the sgs2 has super amoled plus ( friggin sexy!). Whichever phone you buy you can't go wrong although personally I think I should have waited a few more months for the HTC One. OK well my finnnnal verdict (yes at last) is that currently both phone are pretty much equal but Samsung, within this year, it will indeffinately wipe HTC off the face of the earth, they have no chance.
[HTC Sensation] spawn782:
First of all let me just say I really hope you are a fire fighter and did not burn 50 of your houses :)

To post something like HTC Sensation is better than then GS2 or vice versa is completely pointless and as some stated at the beginning of the thread this is just a ridiculous way of trying to justify your purchase.

One person they may think the Sensation is better and another they may think the GS2 is better, neither is wrong, it is purely subjective.

Now with that being said, let me be a hypocrite and put in my 2 cents :)

I actually own both of them.

I had always owned HTC phones, the G1, Nexus One and the G2 (Desire Z) and I never had any problems with them. None of them came with the Sense UI and I never got around to putting it on either via custom roms, but I always thought it was the coolest launcher ever.

Earlier this year, I wanted to upgrade my phone, but I was not sure which to get so I purchased both knowing I would give my wife the one I did not want. I was sure I was going to keep the Sensation because I read how great the build quality was and how solid the phone felt and I was finally getting Sense UI plus a higher resolution screen.

When I got both phones the Sensation lived up to what I expected, the build quality was great and felt nice and hefty, not plasticy at all, Sense UI was cool with the 3D scrolling of the widgets etc and a nice high resolution screen.

I then got my hands on the GS2 (i9100) not any carrier version, it had a lower resolution screen, much lighter and only one physical button at the bottom of the screen. Although on paper I was sure the Sensation was superior, to me the GS2 was just much better.

I thought I would hate the plastic, but it was nice and light and when placed in the Elago breathe case it makes it feel very premium in my opinion. The screen resolution was lower but the colors were way more vibrant and I actually preferred Touch Wiz over Sense UI. After a couple of weeks with Sense UI, I began to hate it. It's like with web 2.0 when the gel style buttons were all the craze and then it was waay overdone, that's the same way I feel about Sense UI now. I actually came across this post because I came to look for a ROM for the Sensation that does not have Sense UI.

The moral of my story, is try both and you may prefer the Sensation or you may prefer the GS2. The one you thought for sure was the superior phone may not be the one for you. When you do make your purchase don't be a fan boy and try to tell everyone how your phone is better than theirs, just be happy that you have a great phone that works for you. If someone has a phone that they think is superior, then that does not make your phone magically run any slower or your battery die any faster.

So any rom suggestions? :)
[HTC Sensation] adolfo778:
That game was playable on my old Behold II :p it works perfectly on my Sensation lol
[HTC Sensation] lokhor:
The Exynos chipset is faster than the Scorpion chipset at the same clock speeds. See: http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/files/linley-report-dual-core-snapdragon.pdf
[HTC Sensation] greengoldmello:
That would be a valid for this argument if Scorpion was a strictly A8 core, which it is not..that passage is not why Exynos is faster than Scorpion.
[HTC Sensation] steve austin:
based on "my" usage...

I am not going to pretend to know the intracacies og the processors. However, playing with both phones and owning a Sensation, in REAL TIME, the sensation has lags. In games, jumping in and out of programs and how fast the screens transition.

people say benchmarks don't mean anything, YET, in every example where an online phone reviewer chose the Samsung over the HTC, the benchmarks were higher and the Samsung showed how fluid it was. With real time as "MY" gauge, the Sensation's processor is NOT faster in its current state, or better, than the Galaxy 2. I don't say this to bash htc for fun, but the OP is talking paper specs not daily application (for me at least). Maybe when things are optimized and rooted. I don't even use Sense cuz of the lag (on a 1.2 gh phone). I use launcherpro for speed. I shouldn't have to, but i do.
[HTC Sensation] lokhor:
That quote is directly related to the Scorpion being slower than an Arm Cortex-A9 processor at the same clock speeds. The idea of the Scorpion's longer pipeline is that it scales to higher clock speeds with lower power consumption. This means that at 1.2Ghz the Scorpion is slower than Exynos. Once we are able to easily overclock to 1.5Ghz and beyond while Under-volting then I think things will even out.
[HTC Sensation] rockerode:
I forget, but with gingerbread, is a dual core even useable? As in, like with Honeycomb, can the dual core aspect fully be utilized, or do we have to wait until ICS comes out for it to actually be a "dual core" phone? I haven't exactly kept up with that with Android, but most everythign else. Just got my sensation about a week and a half ago.
[HTC Sensation] jrwingate6:
Some aspects utalize dual cores but most don't. The next major update (Ice Cream) will fully utalize it and bring hardware acceleration to the table as well. That is when you will start to see the UI, Browser, Apps and Games get smooth as hell.
[HTC Sensation] Jasonhunterx:
Man all Ikno is they both are great I'm still on my sgs og ill take anyone of those but I like Sammy better cuz there give u the best of the best but I am still confused y they did not go with power vr like they did before because they are the most powerful gpus out there on my sgs hardware accelerated browser is comparable 2 sgs 2.....but what phone u like is personal preference once u guys get unlocked an ics straight heaven lol I'm gonna stick to my single for now wanna see wat ics bring 2 table before switch :)
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Interesting, thanks for the link. From what I have a gathered, the Scorpion has some advantages over the A9 (128-bit NEON) but also some disadvantages (longer pipeline).
[HTC Sensation] Clivectmob:
Having owned both sgs2 and now the sensation, i can say this:

If you want the fluidity and speed, but care not about reliability of data connection and signal strength, get the sgs2.

If you want a phone that is still quick most of the time, and has a generally more pleasing look, and the usefulness sense brings with it, and a solid, reliable internet connection with a decent signal strength, then get a sensation.

These findings are based on personal experience not what i've read somewhere on a forum. The findings with the unreliable connection on the sgs2 were repeatable and predictable on two seperate handsets and the fix (toggle airplane mode) consistent on both devices. So don't flame saying it doesn't exist please. Its also well documented on this website where there is an issue switching between 3g, H, and H+.

In any case, as is always the way, both devices will improve over time with various fixes either official or unofficial, so just enjoy what you got for the reasons you got it :)
[HTC Sensation] i900frenchaddict:
Once more, the GS2 is for the moment faster than the Sensation mainly because it uses its two cores when the Sensation uses only one.

Asynchrone dual cores like the one of the Sensation are not really supported by Android yet, so all of out benchmarks use only one core out of two.

More, we have stock rom on the Sensation, enough to lose a banch ;-)

So yes, for the moment the GS2 is superior. BUT the GS2 is at its top now, when the Sensation is under used, it's like comparing a single core and a dual core.

Not to mention that Samsung is clearly cheating in many benchmarks.

SGS2 users, try to make a bench using Antutu bench, and have a look at the supposed SD read speed, taken into account in many bench and increasing the GS2 scores. If it tells you 400Mo/sec for your class4, you'll get why I say they are cheating.
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
thanks for the insight, I will look into getting the battery asap to test!