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[General Topics] greeced:
One strike.. Google should do.

There is definitely a way to find out what type of device is accessing your websites.

Start charging Apple a fee for every i-product, including iMac that accesses any of their websites.... like 20 cents a hit to google, 20 cents to maps, etc.

Most certainly it will be thrown to end users, but Google, and its many line of FREE products will certainly have people, who are not tech savvy enough to find a workaround, from buying an apple product.

This is a far fetched idea.. but Google has been the nice guy for way too long... its time to fight Steve Jobs at his own game in any way possible.

I mean think about it, the only reason why the U.S.A. flexes its muscle around the world as much as it has lately is because there is no real challenger to them the way the U.S.S.R was. Now that the Soviet Union is gone, the U.S. pretty much does what it wants.

Well in technical terms, Google needs to be the New Russia. Fight back, then Apple will quiet down a little and learn that all these lawsuits are crap and needless.

Ya I'm rambling, but it does make sense
[General Topics] jharvey24:
It's weird also because samsung is pongee of the biggest suppliers for apple, but they are trying to license capacitive touch screens. They were shut down over "appstore."
[General Topics] MartyLK:
This is interesting. Apple, according to this report, is now the biggest smartphone company in the world. You can't get that way without being innovative.

http://gizmodo.com/5823418/apple-is-the-biggest-smartphone-maker-in-the-world

Another report...saying basically the same thing...Apple is not going down. Far from it. They are getting greater. It seems the more people hate Apple, the greater they become. This reminds of the ad service standard stating there is no bad publicity. It all works for the good. Some people wanting Apple to fall are actually ensuring it grows stronger.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-outpaces-nokia-in-global-smartphone-shipments/
[General Topics] Matt James:
I'm to lazy to find the article now but one of Google's top execs said the other day at a conference that they will "make sure HTC wins". I saw the article on Engadget or Android Central I believe.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Really? Now you're showing how little you know.

Both RIM and Apple have done well without innovating, oh sure, apple claim to innovate, but in reality, they haven't really done anything new and most of the time their products lag well behind current technology and features.
[General Topics] majorpay:
If that's the case, then they certainly will.
[General Topics] majorpay:
If you compare O.S. penetration, that's what Apple is fearing and is reacting to with their idiotic tactics. A rational company doesn't take on the world if they are sitting pretty with nothing to worry about. IOS drops a little more in market penetration every day an Android is out there. The minor boosts you will see is when Verizon is practically begging people to take them ($50 or free).

What if Apple had the largest hardware shipments of any one company in the PC world? Would that make them any less insignificant? When your market share is equivalent to a margin of error (which is where IOS is headed as well with the current trend), what difference does it make in the grand scheme of things if you ship the most units out of split market distributors?

Globally, IOS is not as significant as you would think, as someone in another thread pointed out. This shows a very interesting perspective on what people across the globe are chosing:

http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/report-android-becomes-world-smartphone-leader-19634
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Wow! There just is no stopping Apple. For any fan of Apple, they could easily love these news stories. For the haters, they could be seeing a shrink soon for depression:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-tops-android-in-enterprise-little-green-robot-still-gunni/
[General Topics] Indirect:
2 questions...who is going to smuggle the latest android devices and how are they going to smuggle them? I don't want a device that was in someone's Kernel...
[General Topics] synaesthetic:
Stop being a fanboy for five seconds and think about what you're saying. I am not a devotee of either brand; I prefer Android, but I don't mind iOS devices. After all, more consumer choice is always a good thing.

And that is precisely my point. If Apple manages to kill Android in the US, they will have no significant competition. Apple is already conservative in terms of hardware advances. With no real competition in the consumer smartphone market, they would lose all incentive to innovate.

The great smartphone arms race that was started by the iPhone would be killed by the iPhone. Without competition, Apple would eat the market, grow bloated and stagnant, with all innovation slowed to the bare level required to compete with the "not owning a smartphone" option.

This is why consumers, Apple fans especially, should not wish Android's demise, unless you really believe the iPhone 5 will be the device to end all devices. :) Intel has AMD. NVIDIA had ATI (now AMD). Qualcomm has TI and Samsung, and now NVIDIA as well. Apple fans need Android to be iOS's largest competitor--without Android, Apple would have little reason to innovate. WP7 is not a credible threat, and Nokia killed MeeGo despite how impressive the N9 really is.

Moral of the story: without competition, corporations have no profit motive to improve, because they know they have a captive audience. Consumers are forced to either buy the monopolised product, or buy nothing at all. This is why monopolies are bad. :)

Edit: The reason enterprise users are choosing iPhones is simple. They don't have to deal with a cell carrier's hilariously bad customer service. iOS devices are supported by Apple, not by AT&T or Verizon.
[General Topics] majorpay:
But but..what about the fact that ios fanbois would love for Jobs to rule their life, think for them, and tell them what to buy, even at the most absurd price? What about the fact that they long for Jobs to rub them and whisper sweet nothings in their ear while performing the reach around into their wallets?

They want Jobs as a dictator that can tuck them in at night and tell them it will all be alright, for they know he is omnipotent in all his words and infallible in his actions.

But you know what I think? You really want to know the crux of this epidemic?

I think that sleek white phone with all it's girly transitions and fruity logo has been set to vibrate lodged in their pants for far too long....
[General Topics] MartyLK:
I take it you can't see. Is someone reading to you what I say? If so, tell them to read to you my signature and also my history.

If you can see, you have no excuse for being judgmental and presumptuous. Now...I haven't graced you with my ignore list yet because I don't actually detect any anti social attitude. I only detect misunderstanding.

I'm for Android (Google) and all the others. I'm not an Apple hater. Crazy to think of someone who doesn't hate Apple as not actually being a fanboy. And crazy to think of someone who isn't an Android fanboy not actually hating Android, I know. But that's the times we live in. Some people in this world just aren't machines and can be a great many things all at once. Contrary to what a lot of liberal and modern views would have our young people think. You can be a color instead of black, white or gray. It's hard, I know, for young people to wrap their heads around it in this day and age. But it's true.

I find it extremely humorous that whenever I read some venomous Apple hate, invariably I will run across news stating Apple is prospering more than ever. It encourages me I don't live in a world where people can't just hate something out of existence. Young people these days seem to think they have some sort of psychic powers to destroy anything with their power of hate. I can see that from all the hate I've seen for Apple and how Apple is defiantly prospering like never before, it counters the hate. I know that if someone hates me, they can't actually cause me harm. I like that. :)
[General Topics] majorpay:
No, but in your world, suing your competition out of existence with asinine patents (read playing the US government) is perfectly alright and on the level as long as your last name is Jobs, you own a big corporation, and you're American. But retaliation or retribution? That's just wrong because you're not Apple.

All this while refusing to see that Android is the world's leading phone OS with IOS coming in a distant third even when presented with the numbers.

Why would anyone mistake you for an Apple fanboi? How silly of us!
[General Topics] synaesthetic:
You don't understand economics if you can't understand that less consumer choice is a bad thing.

The rest of your post is leaving me scratching my head wondering if you even read my post.

Corporations are, by definition, amoral. They do not take morality into consideration when making decisions. They are profit-driven by mandate of law. If a corporation does not act in a profit-driven manner, it will die. Plain and simple.

This has nothing to do with hate, and everything to do with government failing to do their damn jobs, as usual. Never once did I claim Apple was going to go out of business, nor did I gleefully cackle over their falling mobile OS penetration numbers. Contrary to popular belief, I want Apple to be successful. I want them to be competitive.

With products. Not with lawsuits.

I want them to light a fire under Google's posterior, and I want Google to do the same thing for Apple. I want these two companies at each other's throats in a vicious battle for market share. However, their weapons should be products, not lawsuits.

Google and HTC really did hit the nail on the head. Apple, and all businesses, should be made to compete by virtue of the quality of their goods, not by the number of lawsuits they can win with high-priced lawyers.

Of course, I doubt it will go this far. HTC will likely win their appeal, because Apple's patent claims are rather obviously bogus.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Now you know how I feel. I have no clue why you are saying what you are saying. Nor do I care about reading it. It doesn't apply to me so I will only respond to your lack of understanding. It happens on the web a lot where people just automatically apply their personal experiences to every comment or situation on the web.

I won't comment on any of the other stuff you wrote because it would be a waste of time. Good luck with your views. :)

By the way..as you can see, I responded to you, so you haven't yet been ignored. The others...I have no clue what they say and love it.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Classic fanboy... fingers in the ears hearing only what they want.

Just plain sad.
[General Topics] ferparedes:
Can't we all get along??

Apple is super succesful, but they're obviously seeing Android's growth accelerate while theirs is decelerating. As their main obligation is to shareholders and to increase their shares' value, they need to maintain a good growth rate so they can keep bringing in the big bucks. It's that simple.

What they want to achieve (win win win) is fine.

Doing it with litigation instead of good products is not.

Apple doing their best to emulate Microsoft in their worst years.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
From what I understand Microsoft is jumping in to black out some companies too (namely Motorola and other strictly android companies) I must say it's rather... Brilliant. Microsoft doesn't NEED a ridiculous market share but they do want their place in the market, in eliminating android people who want choice will go wp7 and everyone else will go ios. Android won't have all of its patent infringement issues sorted out until they pretty much rebuild the OS from the ground up and by then the American market will have drifted on to something newer and in my opinion better.
[General Topics] majorpay:
This is the scenario that the patent games create:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents

So play the game, Apple - And all you Apple fans keep licking up Job's spew and calling it caviar. Meanwhile, watch the industry fall to hell while you morons rejoice.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Microsoft on a sue binge? Who would have thunk? :D

Microsoft is about as significant in the smartphone world right now as McDonald's is to the fine dining industry.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
funny, the way I see it Microsoft is like the mafia of the mobile industry, despite our quality we dont get all the business but we get a cut of everyones profit so in the end we do fine and can build our own little amazing os up while you pay us to use our intellectual property.
[General Topics] androidrockz:
Samsung, LG, Motorola use these patents too and Apple decides to bother HTC because they have about 5 phones a carrier. Apple sucks. They can't be suing everyone because they are ahead of them. I will cursee them out in an email if a have to. They are scared. Everyone stop buying Apple products so they downfall.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
yes, im sure resorting to profanity in an email to a department that likely has automated responses is going to help the situation...

/facepalm

They'll be going after others soon, Microsoft is hitting Motorola and apple is going after Samsung.
[General Topics] greeced:
In the end they will lose.

They all do.

Nortel - once the largest telecommunications component provider in the world, is dust now.

Microsoft - once all mighty and powerful, not as powerful as it once was with many computer companies and users using alternatives such as linux.

Remember, apple was all powerful and innovative back in the late 70s early 80s, but blew up because of jobs insistance of control of both hardware and software. In fact, I think Microsoft grew as big as it did BECAUSE of Jobs idiocy.

Back then, Apple didn't disappear overnight. It took time for people to trust Microsoft. And after a period, Apple all but disappeared.

Same thing is happening now. Consider it the Apple Saga revisited.

And google is the new Microsoft.

Just watch. History does repeat itself. It always does unless you learn from it.

Jobs hasn't learned. He never will.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Part of life. Everything is cyclical and finite. But Jobs already is history. Jobs isn't running Apple now. A man that looks like his twin or brother is.
[General Topics] greeced:
Lol. He's a droid. An android specifically.
[General Topics] srkoza:
stupid people on apples nuts trying to suck out all the they can, and yeah clearly apple ripped off android too so ppl buy iphones lol
[General Topics] Avelnan:
That's it? That would be the weakest move ever made by anyone.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Seriously. This is him with Jobs:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/01/meet-tim-cook-h/
[General Topics] androidrockz:
Not literally, i mean tell em that they need to be mature and come up with something that people can wow at. Not like the iPad, its just a big ipod touch and they choose to call it magical.
[General Topics] jdtayloruk:
I personally feel Apple is just trying to push themselves to be the 'big boys' and want to get everyone to play by their books, and as they are so big, they think they can get away with breaking other companies patents and the smaller players wouldn't have the funds to do Apple as they know what clout Apple would have on them.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
You gotta hand it to HTC. They are properly focused and I can see how such a company can produce so many outstanding products. It seems HTC enjoys making gadgets. You can only produce good ones when you enjoy it and the bureaucracy doesn't hinder you. HTC must have tight reign over their bean counters for the big wigs to not hinder the research and development.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/26/htc-cfo-says-its-time-to-figure-it-out-with-apple/
[General Topics] Ed Zachary:
Do less, charge more.

Abuse the legal system for financial gain.

Two basic tenets of the new American Way...
[General Topics] majorpay:
Ah, so royalties over innovation - that ought to get their device far.

Saying all that, I'm looking forward to the W8 release....
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Wp7 is a fledgling os and in my opinion has already created an entirely new league of smartphone that I expect apple to try to catch up with and android to fall back a bit and watch. This is not in terms of sales, android can be and is put on everything so as much as I'm not proud of it its here to stay. In terms of innovation in the mobile world I can't imagine anyone else keeping up with Microsoft after giving them a year or two to gain their bearings. Til then, we make money off of other oses, why not? we have the capability.
[General Topics] muerteman:
So all that time with windows mobile before it became windows phone have not given them their bearings
[General Topics] majorpay:
Keep clapping for Apple - if they are successful, they'll be coming after Microsoft in a big way shortly. Understand that the patent that they were awarded against HTC in court stated that the separation of links, phone numbers, etc, can not happen on ANY device. Yes, it mentions touchscreens, but it also mentions clicking with a mouse. So look for Samsung lawsuit later, then follow the trail down to the smallest market share (Microsoft).

If they can truly make this stand, goodbye MS Word, goodbye Windows, goodbye WP7, goodbye Linux, goodbye browsers, goodbye the last 5 years of technology (sans Apple, of course).

So keep the circus seal act up for Apple, it will do you a lot of good in the long run (the irony will be hilarious when you are back on this forum complaining about WP7 being sued successfully).
[General Topics] majorpay:
No, that was completely different (they are brand new now) :rolleyes:
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
No, windows mobile if anything derailed them as a mobile option. There's be a pretty clear winner if Microsoft and apple went to war over intellectual property and jobs isn't stupid. So, they go after the little guy who's existence alone pretty much infringes on every patent categorized for mobile OSes. I'm far from stupid, if I had any concern that that might occur I'd likely defend android but androids whole infrastructure is built like a jenga tower, pull out one or two wrong blocks and the whole thing will topple.
[General Topics] majorpay:
HTC isn't "the little guy." Between HTC and Samsung, they have a far surpassing market share to Apple. Apple is following the trail of market share, and analysts fully expect Apple to take on Samsung next if they are successful with HTC. Guess where this trail ends? That's right - Microsoft. They will hit Google as an entire corporation before they get to Microsoft though. That's when I suspect they'll get their asses handed to them.
[General Topics] Mithun007:
Nice to know..
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I despise apple and even I know that apple would tear google a new one. Apple has so many patents that they could give Microsoft a run for their money. For those of you who weren't around Microsoft and apple have had an agreement since Microsoft bailed apple out from bankruptcy in the 90s. There won't be any issues there. With google all they have to do is take out Samsung, HTC, and Motorola and at that point google has 0defenses in the mobile world.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Google is much bigger than you give them credit for. Android is only one piece of their "world domination puzzle." Google is a powerhouse that stretches into every faucet of technology you can imagine. Even if you don't see it, it's there.
[General Topics] majorpay:
I should probably back up my assertions with physical proof, eh?

GOOG‎ - Google Inc. (NASDAQ): 606.30

AAPL‎ - Apple Inc. (NASDAQ): 393.99

MSFT‎ - Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ): 27.32

Apple better put on their big boy britches when they are going after Google.
[General Topics] Illicit Hero:
What? I am no Apple fanboy seeing as I am a SGS2 user and all. :D but Apple in the smartphone department is in now way trailing at all, but leading. They are destroying all competition in the tablet market.

I really wonder if people wear android t shirts when they post.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Look at the global market before posting, and save yourself the embarrassment. We aren't just focused on the U.S. - as the U.S. is really only a small sector. Globally, Apple is trailing by an enormous margin (third).
[General Topics] jpog:
So whats the latest on the lawsuit?
[General Topics] majorpay:
Apple has a win on the parsing of links and phone numbers.
[General Topics] jpog:
I heard they won, but it sounds like HTC is appealing it to a higher court or whatever they do. Last I read...they were appealing the legitmacy of the Patents themself...which would over-turn the verdict.

Anyone hear something different?
[General Topics] xaccers:
It was decided by a single member of the ITC, so the appeal will be in front of all of them.
[General Topics] Illicit Hero:
Okay buddy Samsung and HTC are not the sole manufacturers of android, neither are the same company. Apple has sold more smartphone(hardware) than both of them. Nokia being in second place.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Lies, damn lies, and statistics :D

By manufacuturer, yes Apple sold more devices than HTC or Samsung, however by smartphone type (ie OS) Apple is trailing.
[General Topics] Illicit Hero:
Thought this thread was Apple vs HTC? Never said that Android OS wasn't leading, but he seems to be confused that all Android = HTC.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Nah, you are right - I was mistaken - Apple is a distant third on OS. It is technically #2 on manufacturers. If Apple takes out HTC and Samsung, however, they will have eradicated a chunk out of the Android market share larger than their own market share.

How is Nokia on top?
[General Topics] xaccers:
Well, to be a pedant, majorpay said between HTC and Samsung they far supassed Apple's market share.

Going by Q1 2011 figures, Apple had a 19% market share, Samsung 13% and HTC 10%.

23 beats 19.
[General Topics] Illicit Hero:
I think eradication is extreme, royalities most likely. I'm sure our government would/could not let eradication of key competitors happen.

But who knows these days. Keeping up with this and AT&T/T-Mobile stuff.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Job's was quoted as saying: "Apple is not in the business of licensing it's products."

If he holds true to that, it would be eradication.

I hope the government doesn't let this happen, but it is the same government that awarded Apple the patents to take over all technology:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/

The fact that these are being successfully sued upon, and the fact that the government isn't doing their homework gives me little hope in that establishment for prevention purposes.

Would those companies allow eradication? No, they'd probably just boycott the U.S.

Edit: Perhaps that's what we need to tip the scales in our patent policy system....

Edit 2: I'm not particularly fond of the current model for charging people on all the major networks, anyhow. Maybe this will be the excuse I need to ditch smartphones altogether if it goes down this way.
[General Topics] galaxys:
HTC and Android rock and will make some iphonie applesauce for the trolls!
[General Topics] Palatis3:
Throughout the past few weeks, I've been seeing a lot of suing between different manufactures and companies, too me it seems out of hand and I believe the patent system should be somewhat reworked to be more modernized.
[General Topics] Exanimus:
When Apple realize that they are having a hard time keeping up with innovation, they use old patents to earn money instead..

in my eyes all these lawsuits is just a pathetic proof that Apple are losing the "new-thinking war"...