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[EVO 4G General] x130844:
i don't have an iphone, and have no desire to get one, it is not what i am looking for, but it doesn't stop me from saying that the iphone is actually a good product.

i like the epic 4g as well and my evo, the quality of my evo is definitely subpar.

the screen on the evo is horrible, no 2 EVO phones behave the same, the camera really is not so great at all. the battery life is a joke.

Basically, you HAVE to root the EVO to have something pretty good (Thank god for cyanogenmod team, they are awesome).

GPS not locking correctly, have to stay at pri 77 or you have the wakelock of hell, i mean come on. The SD reader through USB is slow as hell.

For someone who already has an open/free OS and just assembling parts, it is far from perfect.

The apps on the evo are a joke compared to their equivalent on the IOS platform. (simple example, try fruit ninja on the evo, or even the faster Epic 4g then try it on the iphone, let me know if you see a difference).

For development, try eclipse with the android SDK and its emulator, slow as hell, can't even emulate 3d(opengl) correctly.

Try Xcode for IOS, you will see a clear superior product.

No, I will not get an iphone, (personal reasons i won't explain here), but saying the IOS is inferior to HTCs and that's why Apple feels they have to sue is ridiculous, they are suing simply because that's what happens when you own "legally" some piece of technology, you have to defend it.

Apple is getting sued all the time, and yes, they do lose. (see the Nokia story). and they SHOULD lose, so yes, everything is fine.

If HTC wanted to compete and get to the level of apple, how about they create their own ships for example? or find the best screen possible? or rewrite part of the code to actually optimize it for a better experience on their products? implement some better WIFI code for faster DHCP reconnect like on Apple product?

Or how about they work on the android sdk and hire some programmers to write some better tools. or android emulator so it can actually be usable?

So much room for HTC to improve, but i can pretty much guarantee you, they won't do it, coz it costs money and people are doing the work for them (other than HTC sense). I don't even use Sense so to me, they are just a manufacturer like any other, i think my next phone will probably be the nexus s 4g, still debating though...
[EVO 4G General] swiperrat:
Lmao
[EVO 4G General] teh roxxorz:
For some people the multiquote button isn't working right for no reason.

Not gona go in full cuz I am mobile, but technologically, apple is bringing about a true negative socialism by stifling creativity, competition, and design. I mean they are simultaneouly suing 3 companies with a combined 25+ "infractions"...apple is out of control. Apple is in a losing crunch in the mobile war, and thia is how they respond. I'm glad I don't support a shameless company.

This epic reply brought to you by none other than my roxx'd out Evo.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Edit : woops
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Hello,

let's refrain using terms like "dumb" etc, just for the sake of having a civilized conversation, shall we?

Now, i understand and I am on the same boat as you, i would not buy an iphone. it is not for me, i need to tweak things for one.

HTC indeed is responsible for the OS they ship, they use the framework provided by Google, HTC can take that code and optimize it, innovate and make a killer product.

In turn, software would run better, faster, more stable.

Fruit ninja is an example (but really take any other app).

As far as the emulator, i hope you're not thinking i was talking about emulators like snes emulators and the like, I was talking about the Android emulator for programming. (shipped with google android SDK).

If a platform doesn't have a good development environment, the application quality suffer.

We praise linux and android being open source, HTC utilizes this, why don't they put effort and innovate, improve that.

to me, it feels actually that independent developers (cm team for example), is doing more innovation than HTC.

HTC has a chance of being a great player and take the lead but they don't. they simply take patented technology and don't want to remove it once they are busted.

One of the patent was NOT google infringement, but HTC.

Google stock android does NOT steal from that one patent (the data structure one), neither did Samsung.

Why should HTC have an advantage over Samsung by stealing what they are not supposed to?

That is simply my point, if you don't understand the above, i am not sure how else i can explain what's happening currently in the IT world.

Oh, your point of markups and quality of hardware, that's not even close to what's happening, HTC actually is the one getting cheaper lower quality hardware AND they have a lower markup.

Next you gonna tell me that because one phone has a 8mp camera, it will have better picture quality than a 5meg pixel?

Actually answer the question above so i know whether i should continue this discussion with you or not.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Your not talking to a dumbie. I'm sixteen il say that now, but I build pc's as a hobby and have now worked with a local it company for two years (I'd also like to include I'm one of their most requested and best payed techs.) So please put away that condescending I'm smarter then you tone. I apologize for calling you a dumbie, but that was my response to your attitude

Secondly I understand that megapixels don't equal quality, it equals picture size.

Third, I really don't care to argue opinions on product quality etc, I'm soley talking about the idea of apple momopolizing the smartphone market by eliminating there only threat. we could argue about product design all day

But the fact is there are currently two androids being activated for every iPhone being activated, and the simple fact is that that scares apple ****less.

That is why I believe what I believe

If it was truly about the patent, there would be plenty of non android products/ companies on this list, such as HP dell and, even Microsoft, they have infringed on the two patents HTC was found guilty of infringing on since before android, hell before cell phones were common. Before texting, lol

And nothing has ever been said, this is all due to corporate politics, an idea similar to mutually assured destruction when two big dogs enter legal battles, and the understanding of the consumer market relationship between Macs and PC's
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Ok, sorry i made you feel i was condescending, definitely not my intention.

everyone is entitled to his own opinion, i expressed mine as i believe i am in the minority here, everyone wants to praise htc and bash apple, i simply view it differently.

As far as your age, i don't think it is relevant, a 16 y.old is as capable to reason as anybody else.

Now to explain why i think differently than everybody here is pretty simple.

I am a software developer for a big company (not being sued by anybody so far), the reason is that any project we take on, we HAVE a process of ensuring that we (the developers) don't take pieces from others.

It is very painful, sometimes there's an awesome library we want to use or algorithm or whatever,, but we don't get the green light to use it due to licenses, so we have to rewrite it so it doesn't infringes anybody else's work.

EVEN for open source code, we have to submit a request to a special department so they analyze the code and approve or not.

It is complicated, it slows us down, yes, i hate that process, but hey, that's life and that's my job.

PS: glad to see that you realize that specs in a device don't make quality, or a better product.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Yes. And after all this do you see what I mean by unfair market domination and monopolization? I'm strictly speaking on a political level, not technical.

I understand that HTC is in violation of a patent, but I'm just saying I don't believe these lawsuits are backed with pure intentions...

Edit: somehow my age always gets tossed in my face in an argument. So I was just getting that one out of the way lol
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
It's "dummy", dummy.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
This is a winning post and quote that I have not quoted.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Huh?
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
No seriously, read this:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2308...es_things_potentially_awkward_for_rivals.html

Apple just got the patent for all the things they're suing HTC over A MONTH AGO.

Why hasn't this been brought up?

If HTC has only been "breaking the so called rules" for like 35 days.

This is not years and years of injustice, Apple went out and bribed some idiot (sorry, conjecture, disregard)...to get a patent for everything. The touch screen, the multi-service multi-media device with icons and touch screens.

This is not apple playing fair, this is monopolizing.

Here's how this is gonna work:

1. There'll be a settlement and nothing happens.

2. HTC, Samsung and LG will have to pay Apple for copyrighted use of their patents (most likely). So every Android phone will essentially be giving Apple money.

3. They let the lawsuit go and sue Apple for monopolizing a market. Like Microsoft did 10 years ago.

Stop the arguing. No amount of fanboyism is going to make any of this right. Apple sucks for getting a patent on a whole idea, and they suck even more for bullying competitiors...but eventually everything will be as it was:

WE'LL ALL GO BACK TO USING BLACKBERRIES. **** APPLE!
[EVO 4G General] cmdrogogov:
Too many things could happen at this point for anyone to say how it will turn out in the end, most likely some kind of cross-licensing deal but who knows?

In the final analysis, I share the same sentiment as many other posters here: **** apple.
[EVO 4G General] Onelife511:
This is not Apple vs. Google. This is Apple vs. the three companies that keep trying to make their skin look like apple. IOS and Android are very different platforms. They become very similar when companies like HTC, Samsung and motorola skin android. Apple hasn't sued Google because the android platform isn't anything like ios. Companies go out to make a great plaform "android" look like ios to stay in the market. Thats why phones like Nexus are second teir to phones like the evo 4g. HTC has to put sense on the phone to attract users so its alot more like the iphone.

I once owned a iphone. It was a great phone, but it was way to closed source for my taste. Thats why i now own a evo 4g running CM7.

Apple is in no way losing the mobile battle. Thats why every network is trying their hardest to get the Iphone. You dont see Networks trying their hardest to get the EVO 3d or the Droid 2. Apple is only protecting their property. Should they let companies pay for licensing? Probably so but they have decided not to and its theirs to decide.

Here is a good example. The navigation on the Iphone is very subpar to Android. Thats because Google maps has only given ios a stripped down version of maps. If apple wanted to make it better they could just steal the full maps version. Google has refused to give ios the full version. Instead they give licensing for a stripped down version. Apple chooses to have a sucker version rather than going out and stealing the full version.

I love Android phones. They are very open source and fun to develop with. But with that said. The iphone is way more efficient. It always works. My evo 4g crashes daily. Apps Force quite daily. Thats the differences between products.
[EVO 4G General] tjr2010:
If all this has been the case Apple suing yadayada.. what took them so long to speak out about it? HTC been making Android devices a good min.... Now Android gives Apple competition, they choose now to sue.... If they are protecting what's theirs, then why didn't they look a this long ago back when the devices started coming out? Think about it....
[EVO 4G General] aggiedf:
I'm new to the android thing. I previously owned an iPhone and enjoyed it very much. Now I own the EVO and enjoy it dramatically more than the iPhone. This suit is business as usual...bottom line is something was used without first gaining permission. Sure apple is losing some market because of android but this basically boils down to the devs of android. With so much brain power backing the android system this will be a roadblock to something better for the android infrastructure. I would not worry about this frivolous lawsuit because just like apple when they hit rock bottom they issued something bigger and better....android will do the same thing and then will overpower their competitors the same way apple is doing today. I love my EVO and everything that comes with it. And I loved my iPhone also until I played with android. We can talk smack and put down each other all day everyday but it still ends in a result of dedicated fans of both OS. Be a commited fan of what you like.
[EVO 4G General] LCL22:
the more people know about this lawsuit and its details, the more its going to come back and bite apple in the ass, after explaining to a friend about the post i linked (the op and the followup ) he said to me he might consider going for a playbook tablet instead of an ipad once he read this bul****...take that for what you will but im making dam sure that all my apple fanboy friends know what the company is doing
[EVO 4G General] teh roxxorz:
True enough, but I'd rather make every text a call or send a letter, then to use a blackberry for any extended period of time.
[EVO 4G General] XsMagical:
Apple is completely ridiculous, they are doing this in fear of losing more clients because their technology is out of date and so simple. Microsoft bailed Apple out years ago and now they come back to kill everyone in their way.

I bet the fan boys are happy. This makes me sick and shamed to be American, The American dream is based off progress and moving forward, not destroying your nabor.
[EVO 4G General] AdriVelazquez:
We all know that HTC is going to appeal and try. Plus it was recently discovered that it was an infringement on Android OS not HTC. However, chances are Google is going to stand behind HTC.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
HTC sued Apple back in May this year. for 5 patent violations (power control, dialer stuff etc)

Where were you?

HTC demanded all Apple product delivery to be on hold.

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They all do it. HTC, Apple etc. Thats the way it is.

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Now a little history,

Do you remember in 2007 how the cell phones were?

nothing like they are today. Apple "re-invented" how we see cell phones, nothing of the like was around.

Apple submitted around 200 patents as they released the iphone, they wanted to protect their IP.

Patents do take a while to be accepted/granted.

Apple has been been bitten before when no patents were submitted for their OS, see what Microsoft did, came in and swooped everything, basically killing Apple.

Apple decided to NOT go through that again, so they patented their technology.

Since the release of the iphone, new manufacturer jumped on the bandwagon, Hey if apple is selling like crazy with their phone, we'll do the same.

Welcome to Android/HTC and all what we know now.

Without the iphone, i don't think the cell world would be similar as it is today, maybe it would, who knows. but someone else would have patented those ideas.

When you submit a patent, if it is too broad, it will be denied and or you risk to play the monopoly game which is very frowned upon here.

Now there's a chance Apple will lose or settle with HTC due to "too wide/broad" of an idea, we'll see how that goes. we don't want Apple to indeed kill the market, that would be bad, i agree, but they do have the right to protect their IP at the same time. So what do you suggest things like that be handled?

Get rid of software/hardware patents all together?

Wouldn't you rather see different approach and different vendors coming up with their own unique ways so you do have a real choice instead of all the HTC/Samsung being merely a copy of your hated iphone?

PS: for the people thinking i am an i-apple fanboy, not quite so. I sure do like some of their products (which i own), but also like some PC counter part, different tools, different brands for different purposes.
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
I like how you only go far enough back in history to make your point.

But let's go further back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft

1998: Microsoft is sued by the UNITED STATES for their patents on their Operating System and Web Browser. Things that Microsoft invented that they were just trying to protect. They stopped everyone else from using it, then the WHOLE DAMN COUNTRY sued them.

If they hadn't, Apple would've folded as a company by now

flash forward

2011: Apple is suing everyone who's made a candy bar, touch screen smart phone. They'll win, they've got the patent. What the hell do you think is gonna happen next? A pat on the back and a "good job, Jobs"?

No.

They're going to get sued for the same thing. It's one thing to want to keep your devices the best, but the way to do it is NOT monopolizing.

Touch screens were around before iPhones.

Smartphones were around before iPhones.

Blackberry revolutionized the smartphone market, like it or not. BBM was around before Facetime and everyone and their mother owned a Blackberry before the iPhone was a bastard sperm in Steve Jobs' ball sack.

Don't just look up the facts that support your point of view, look them ALL up and see the truth.
[EVO 4G General] subprime:
Of course cell phones are nothing like they were back in 2007. Just like in 2007 the cell phones were nothing like they were in 2004. Apple didn't re-invent the way I see cell phones. They are a great marketing company but I could do almost anything the iphone could do on my windows mobile phone 2 years before the iphone even came out. That phone was made by HTC.

You can go back even farther and credit Palm with the success of their pda's. I am not exactly sure who first combined the pda and the phone, but maybe give the credit to them for "re-inventing" the way we see cell phones, not Apple. All Apple did was take what was already out there and dumb it down for the average person to use.

Apple also did a good job with the app store making it easy for people to find the apps. Windows mobile had plenty of apps too, they were just not all in one place. But again I would credit the app developers more with the success of the app store, not Apple. Without the apps that the developers created, no one would care about the app store.

There really isn't much innovation with the iphone, just taking what others have done, packaging it in an easy to use product that anyone can use and doing a good job marketing it.

This was in response to Apple suing HTC in April of 2010.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
i understand, nothing is earth shattering, but it's all in the details and small implementation that make the difference.

You write: "There really isn't much innovation with the iphone, just taking what others have done, packaging it in..."

If this is the case, how in the hell did they come up with 200 patents for their product? did they bribe the patent office? not sure i understand the logic here.

Packaging is not patentable.

blackberry was the smart phone, yes. no doubt about it. but come on, our HTC android is not a glorified blackberry, it definitely followed the iphone style for ease of use and flexibility.
[EVO 4G General] subprime:
They didn't bribe the patent office but it looks like they purchased some of them. This link is for a patent from the first time Apple sued HTC HERE. It reads to me like something that almost every computer or phone does and it was issued to Stephen Fisher and Eric Mathew Trehus. Apple employees? Highly doubt it. I didn't read everything but have a look. Maybe I am reading it wrong but it looks like a majority of the patents were assigned to Apple.

Apps made the iphone easy to use so give credit to the developers of the apps. I'm not sure how the iphone is flexible. That comment doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not proclaiming to be an expert in this whole patent area but I think the reason people are having such a problem with Apple doing this is it appears all they are trying to do is monopolize the market.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Sense looks nothing like the iPhone ios

How dare you
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Yes

Bribes are exactly what were talking about

For god sakes the second patent HTC was found guilty of infringing applies to any device that plugs into any other device, the first applies to any system with the ability to search its own storage drive

Example: every comouterized anything anywhere all the time in every universe

How the hell is that fair game?
[EVO 4G General] Onelife511:
Its not about the looks its about the way they do things.
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Sorry, i had touchwiz samsung in mind then.

the look of sense is not iphone, you are correct.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
All hail master jobs, eh? You sound just like an apple fanboy

The world wouldn't be the same without the iPhone woooo.

Your right, there'd be less condescending one sided people talking about a phone changing the world all over the internet like crazy people.

Android, pre google, was developing smartphone software BEFORE the iPhone. Jobs is a dictator, patenting a touch screen phone ffs. Come on that's total communism. Jobs wants to assign us our damn phones
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Edit: having issues with mobile app
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Hello again,

i now understand your disdain to the whole apple thing.

Now, what would be great is actually read and understand what the 2 patents are actually about.

You will see that it is NOT what you think.

It is obvious that "any device plugs into another device.." would be unfair and i would be right by your side saying apple sucks. But this is not the case.

We have to be careful not spreading misinformation around.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
I've read the actual patent, and its subnotes

And they pretty much just patented touch screen phones, multimedia devices, and even applicably, smart car systems such as ford and Microsoft's sync. Using a touch screen.

Did you even click the link a few pages back?

Come on fanboy open your mind
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
Zack, come on :)
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
Honestly. Are you going to say patenting a touch screen phone isn't monopolization?.......
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
yes, i agree with you, if they patent the touch screen, it is monopolization.

But please point to me to that patent number. I would like to read it.
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...7,966,578.PN.&OS=PN/7,966,578&RS=PN/7,966,578

Link to the patent on the uspto. .gov site
[EVO 4G General] subprime:
I just read a little more about the assignees and the patents have to have been invented by an individual. It appears most employees assign the patents to their employer so I could have been wrong in an earlier statement. I still strongly agree with this though:
[EVO 4G General] x130844:
ok. thank you for the link, as far as i understand this is not a patent on touchscreen, but interaction with them. Namely, my little brain here (the text is extremely convoluted and complex), only understood that gestures and multitouch were covered with contextual menu/presentation. As far as i know, this did not exist before, they created it, fine for them, now if they enforce this, that means, NO gestures, no pinch to zoom etc for HTC, which would suck royally as it is a feature i do like.

Has Apple sued Android or HTC about this patent? (7966578)
[EVO 4G General] Zac95:
No. It was a patent applied for long ago and only recently granted. Its a bit more wide then that. Anything to do with multi touch. Games, anything, gestures including scrolling, swiping through home screens, pictures, the new market slide across pages, etc. and pulling down our notifications. Browser scrolling, panning a game or picture by placing your finger on the screen and moving it and I'm sure apple and their lawyers would find many more. That's why I say it could even theoretically be applied to in car systems, etc.

All the new touch computers, too.