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[Galaxy S II General] JJEgan:
Kies from day one has been unreliable for a number of reasons mostly not user problems .

For starters its driver setup and use has always been poor .

Its connection setup is not robust likewise its failure to recover from broken downloads .

Kies in a nutshell does not recover from errors and is error prone even for the most advanced users .

jje
[Galaxy S II General] JJEgan:
As we on XDA support the Devs and do not rip them off we do not have cracked software .

jje
[Galaxy S II General] Davith:
It's just a matter of bad luck. It can happen, and maybe it'll happen to you one day. You can't always blame this on the user. Like for example, there's a power blackout in the middle of a flash and your computer suddenly turns off. Nothing you can do about it, yet you're screwed.

Kies is like that, it's a not a completely safe piece of sofware. Even flashing the bios on a computer isn't. Thing is, Odin allows you to flash official firmwares and is generally safer. There's no real reason to prefer Kies over Odin.
[Galaxy S II General] Tallyho_84:
on your phone, go Setting:

About phone --> Software update -->Check for update

that got my phone updated to KF4(1st try).. tired with kies but no luck(2-3 hrs+ many dl errors) :)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Hi mate,

Yeah i was under the cosh at uni and soooo busy, deleted my profile on here too, only just reactivated...

At the time i was dicing between turning to the dark side so i thought i would not need my XDA account anymore;)
[Galaxy S II General] Guitarfreak26:
Glad you didnt! Galaxy2 is a great device
[Galaxy S II General] Archer:
I can smell the apple all over you :p
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Kies is frankly unreliable, and can damage your phone, maybe even to the point of no return. I advise everyone if possible to learn how to use Odin, fast safe and once you learn how to use it you will never look back;)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
It nearly turned me, im telling you;)
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
You supposed to be the only person for whom OTA has worked, right?
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
lollol:p

10 char
[Galaxy S II General] angelomaldito:
Odin = light and quick. Useful

Kies = heavy and slow. Useless (at least for me).

In addition, it seems that updates tends to arrive earlier on XDA forums than on Kies. :D
[Galaxy S II General] sonaplp:
Good thread more people should be warned.

The last time i tried updating through kies i was stuck in a bootloop.

I'm never using this rubbish software again!
[Galaxy S II General] guitarmafia:
:eek: :eek: :eek: how is this possible??? u got an OTA update??....but everyone says samsung dont give OTA updates....Mine alwayz says "connection failed" ....it was a joke,wasnt it??
[Galaxy S II General] jlevy73:
I thought that was you JD, just with a lot fewer posts :p Good to see you back on xda

Kies definitely should crawl back under the rock in which it came from. It's really a pos
[Galaxy S II General] JJEgan:
Two noticeable points about Kies .

One all the reviews of Samsung phones just gloss over Kies if they mention it at all . Few of them come out and say how poor it is .The reviews are read by Samsung and maybe users should start responding to review pointing out how bad the software is compared to any other product .

Two more or less on the same lines multiple moans over the years but how many have actually complained to Samsung . No good thinking Samsung read the forums if they did it would have been fixed by now .

jje
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
My main gripe is that you have to run it as root to update your phone, it's a pretty bad habit running programs with elevated privileges.
[Galaxy S II General] jimbiye:
Thanks for the reply.

I guess I have just been lucky then. I'll be a bit more carefull when using Kies from now on.
[Galaxy S II General] tameracingdriver:
I've never, ever managed to successfully update my phone using Kies. It is a total POS, and most of my friends have had problems at once stage or another. I'm sure I could ultimately sort it out, but TBPH, using Odin is FAR easier and more reliable, and I'm certainly no technical genius....
[Galaxy S II General] jlevy73:
Two good points. The only review I read about the SGS2 that mentioned that disaster that is Kies was androidcentral.com
[Galaxy S II General] tomeks:
pointless thread, kies is ok for most of the normal user

odin/heimdall is as dangerous as kies with updating bootloaders and drivers problems

so use what you want and do not spread rumors
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
Yes it is pointless cause the thread is made so so late which should have been created a lot earlier.

And KIES is CRAP, it's a Fact, not a rumor.

Regards.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Cheers dude, how are you doing? Long time no see, glad your a SG2 guy now;) Yeah I deleted my account because I was contemplating giving up phonage and choosing the apple dark path, but I have seen the light again;)) I feel violated that I even had them thoughts, lollol...

I remember that night we got your N1 working on evils sense rom when you was in a singapore airport if I remember correctly, because me and my girl was camping in the middle of a field in Cornwall and we was just amazed how the world is such a small place;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Its not a pointless thread when for the past week I have seen 3 users have corrupt flashes. Lets see what happens when it corrupts mid radio flash, then we will be seeing kies bricks. I would hate to see anyone lose there phone to this buggy pos software... And you can bet that if you have gone into download mode you will be not covered in warranty... Sammy could just say it happened through your bad usage:+(

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Agree 110 percent my friend;) Odin is the way forward;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] tr3yt0n:
Never used kies with theSGS II but tbh i never liked it on the SGS I either...

The Odin solution is way better indeed :cool:
[Galaxy S II General] JJEgan:
Similar posts all over SGS 1 forum from day one .

jje
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Yep,

This thread was created because I don't want the new android users thinking android is rubbish because kies is total jank. Most new users will be using it all the time due to seeing it as a iTunes style application, when it isn't a patch on iTunes. Also its causing problems which could result in a dead phone. I hope the message gets accross to new users and I champion intratechs rom thread with great Odin instructions as a great safe alternative;)

You can find this thread in the dev section, its always pretty near the top;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
Didn't have any problem updating through Kies. I admit it's not a perfect application and it could be way better, but at least your phone will be covered by warranty, without the need to buy usb jigs and perform dozen of stunts to get it back to stock. If i browse the forum, i can see more bricks made by Odin than bricks made by Kies. So i think it all comes down to how you use Kies or Odin. If you misuse any of them you end up with a brick :)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Yes,

But kies could damage your phone even through proper use, that's the issue;) Odin will not damage your phone unless you unplug the update process during a radio flash.

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] Tallyho_84:
Yup, i aint joking!! well, i didnt know there is an issues on the first place:confused:.

im Australia based, btw:D
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Maybe they gave you it first down under because you lost the Ashes;)) lol

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[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
You might be right, but then again , being a fan of "House" i learned that "Everybody lies". I doubt you can damage your phone through proper Kies use. I'm pretty sure persons who ended up with their phones damaged did something wrong. I saw a dozen of posts where people could not install Kies, drivers missing and so on. Of course, if you try updating through Kies after you get all those problems it is a bit risky ;) Had no problems installing Kies, updating Kies to the latest version and updating my firmware twice. I'm not here to defend Kies, it is slow as hell when syncing and it's not the greatest app, but i'm reluctant to believe it can brick your phone if you use it properly. If my crappy Vodafone network releases another firmware update, i'll do it through Kies and hopefully i'll get it right, just like previous times.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Hey I love house too;)

There have been too many reports over a year in both the sgs1 and sgs2 forums of this being a messy buggy piece of software. I gather your new to android, welcome to our world;) What I have learned over nearly 2 years of android use is nothing is perfect with our phones. Apple makes there stuff perfect because to be honest there is not a lot going on behind the scenes with there bunch of squares OS. Kies is dangerous full stop. Kies has kicked people out during mid flash, and they have encountered a semi brick because of it. And like I have said before I helped recover 3 such phones in just this week.. With Odin you just download a packaged. .tar file and flash it from the PDA tab, and et voilla, your done. Also the benifit of using Odin is you will most of the time have roms before they are available on kies, and also you will get a chance to have fixes deployed in a Asian rom that you can use in Europe, its fantastic, it makes your update process not geographically dependent. The overwhelming consensus from both the sgs1 and sgs2 worlds is this software is garbage, and what I'm seeing I can agree with that totally;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] intruda119:
The most important part of Kies is updating firmware and it works correctly. I and many others have not had any problems with the software. Im not saying its perfect but it works as it should.

Now out of a couple million users you found 3 that had problems. Most problems that happen with windows usually comes down to drivers or some kind of software conflict.

How long should it take to start seeing bricks? Original SGS has been out for over a year and havent seen the problem widespread. The SGS2 has been out a little over 2 months and still havent seen the problem.

All in all I call it USER ERROR.
[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
Neither Kies, nor Odin are fail proof. You posted above the advantages of Odin and i agree. The only advantage of Kies is that you don't need tricks up your sleeve to use your warranty and even if you agree or not it's safer than using Odin. If you don't know what you are doing with Odin, chances of bricking it are high, while with Kies you just gotta press one button.
[Galaxy S II General] Riqz:
I totally agree. Kies got stuck for me yesterday and thankfully xda helped me regain my phone back. Never going to use kies ever again.i think it should be made pinto a sticky
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Yes but Odin is full proof when you use it correctly. Kies isn't when you press the one button...

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
You would not use Odin unless you read the instructions surely?

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] Guitarfreak26:
The Kies apps are the first bloatware i remove with root explorer, only reason i install it is for windows to get the drivers.. Never used the program, tried it once and didnt like it. As long as you use common sense Odin is 10000x easier..
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Elequently put dude;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
Hopefully i won't have to agree with you if all my updates through Kies work as expected. Until proven otherwise, allow me the benefit of the doubt. 10 - 15 users who encountered problems doesn't mean it's a general problem.

Looks like many don't read them, seeing more complaints than people using Kies :p
[Galaxy S II General] jonny68:
I rarely use it to be honest, Use Odin if i need to do anything that Kies can do except more and better!!
[Galaxy S II General] Rekuja:
Even if it bricks your phone (which is highly unlikely) you are covered from warranty right? You could pretty much sue Samsung if they denied your claim.

I haven't had any problems with Kies, Odin works great but i prefer to be 100% official and the official program is Kies, if the pos software bricks my phone then Samsung will be responsible for the fix/replacement.

I don't think it's a major issue, I'm pretty sure this was due to unintended user error. Technology isn't perfect.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
That is a total inaccuracy, are you sure you don't work for Samsung? I have already explained that this has been going on for years with kies, it seems strange that a new user to android would make such a claim with no evidence? Odin had never corrupted anything with informed use, and my grandmother could flash a rom through Odin if she read the instructions... ;)

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Yes you could,

But like I said, if you have been naughty and flashed a custom rom previous and have not got jiggy with the USB, you may not be covered, even if kies did corrupt your device. Take it from me, a guy who has had pretty much every flagship android device since the N1, kies is dangerous, use Odin! And I have done some real freaky **** with my other phones, but kies is just downright dangerous..

You don't have to take my advice, but with 2 years of android experience and a wealth of times bringing my phone back from the brink, I am telling you this software is like a big squishy bug;)))

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Good call Johnny;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
I'm pretty sure i don't work for Samsung. Actually, my evidence is strong and it is my experience with Kies. You just assume Kies would brick any device ;) I just posted in your thread cause i really don't like people that tend to dramatize and assume if something happened to 1 - 10 - 100 users, should happen to anyone else. Stop being biased and let people enjoy whatever method they want. Maybe you should have posted the advantages of disadvantages of both methods, instead of ranting like a mad dog in here. That would have been more useful, instead of repeating that Kies is highly dangerous just cause you helped 3 people recovering their devices. Guess what ? There are more than 3 million people with Galaxy SII devices and lots of millions with other Samsung devices. Now how's that 3 people a valid point that Kies is as dangerous as you claim to be ?
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
I am not dramatising, and do you know what I don't like too, inexperienced newbies trying to argue a point that they have not got the first clue about. You even said yourself your going on your own experience which frankly is next to none. You have made your point, you love kies, great, if you mess your phone up that's up to you, but the general public need to know about the problems this software can cause, and I'm certainly not gonna withold that info just because a new android user thinks the sun shines out of its posterior. My view is not biased, its well informed and coming from experience. Also other seasoned users have backed my point. If you want to keep using it then fine, but don't deride the warning!

I have not heard of one case of Odin bricking or doing something it shouldn't to someones device, its a fantastic app that should be used as priority for upgrading. ;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] tomeks:
if odin so fool proof why jig was in use for sg1?

as i said odin could be as danger in your inexperienced hands as well

i'm not telling that kies is great, but it needs drivers as odin and main problem is that people got a lot of junk on thier laptops and that is the main case for odin/kies problems

so as i said before stop spreed rumors witch are totaly untrue and could be misleading for inexperienced users
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Mad dog, love it.... You sir are an ill informed noob that had the personality of Keith Flint, so apt avitar, lol

Honestly you really do learn about some users intelligence when they resort to jibes...

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Well that's two against and about 30 odd for. Where do you get they are untrue rumors?

If you think kies is safer than Odin then you need your head examined. That's a fact!

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
1

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[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
I see you can't accept the fact that most of the people had no problem updating through Kies. Try going back and read my posts carefully. I never said Kies is perfect. Have fun promoting Odin, i don't mind. Can't you see you make a fool of yourself clapping every time someone posts about Odin, but you can't accept the fact people use Kies too ?
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
2

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
I think its aa matter of opinion, and you seem to be very pro kies, for the life of me I can't think why, have you tried Odin?

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
I'll try it, first time Kies bricks my device ;)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
W

No,

I can accept that fact, but I think that they need to know things can go wrong with kies that could brick their phone... Use Odin correctly that will never happen. Have you never had a time out mid flash on kies? Do you know what would happen if it did that while flashing the baseband?

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Haha, yeah nice, proactive, stick with something until its no more then change;P your supposed to be an anarchist, a firestarter Kiethy, lol

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] jlevy73:
Lol, great memory, it was in Taiwan's airport (close enough) :)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Haha, I was in the middle of a field of cows in darkest Cornwall;) When did you get your SGS2 mate? Its light years ahead of the old N1 hey;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] intruda119:
Combined 13-16 million users of the galaxy s line and since 3 had trouble its all over now. If it was wide spread than you would have a point. But from checking xda daily for the last 1 1/2 years I've never seen anyone talk about bricked phones from kies.

Kies backs up all my photos, and syncs my podcast with absolutely no problems. My first month of ownership had 3 kies updates and they all ran smooth as butter and included a backup also.

I love these threads were people try to speak and assume for the majority of users.

I would assume the 3 phones you repaired/fixed the owners were experts with their sgs2. I would also assume their fluent with windows and android

I'm guessing they were to busy/lazy to fix the phone themselves.

I truthfully think the users did something wrong. Since they needed you to fix the phones I'm assuming there noobness took over and they did something wrong.

Just show me the threads were all these bricked Sammy's are.

3users vs 15mil.
[Galaxy S II General] jlevy73:
Got the SGS2 about 2 weeks ago after going through endless frustration with the G2x. Certainly glad I did, I could hear Darth Vader calling my name
[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
I see no point in continuing this discussion, cause this sure ain't a debate, since you are not prepared to accept different opinions.Go ahead make people of aware of whatever you want. Until you make a proper review of both methods, with all the positive/negative effects, your words are just dust in the wind. Yeah, maybe "anarchists" like me don't like it when someone pops up and says: you gotta do that cause i say so and i'm right no matter what. Just for the record i never said Kies is better, i merely tried to point out there's more people out there who successfully updated their devices than people who bricked them. But it takes time to read properly and process the information ;)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Haha, another kies boy, that's 3 vs 30 now, kiethy you have another anarchist;)

Its a warning that kies can brick your phone, don't get your knickers in a twist.... two of them are in the q and a forums and one was a pal of mine, also there is a few on this thread that have had problems. Once again I will draw you a picture. Kies times out during flashes, if it does this while flashing the baseband its a dead phone! If you like kies then fair play, I'm just giving a warning as to what it can do you your prized device:))

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
I do accept your view, and I respect any other views, I'm basing my warning on what I know about android phones and what could happen. Odin does not time out mid flash. Kies does, that in my book spells danger. You may never see it, but it can happen, I have seen it where its locked a user out completley and was only rectified by an Odin flash, the emergency recovery didn't even work... It is my view that kies is dangerous, but they are just views...

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
I agree with what your saying. My warning is just to make people aware that Odin is safer. I don't want to see people get burnt, especially as we all want android to be promoted in a positive way;)

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[Galaxy S II General] intruda119:
3 VS 15MIL LOL bye now and stop refreshing let it fall to the bottom of the pit.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Unintelligible post, it's a pity you can't fall to the bottom of the pit, bog off troll.

I'm sure I've seen your posts before, Im sure your a known troll. Definitely rings a bell....

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] mancuk29:
Can I ask a stupid question r u saying don't use kids for official pushed upgrades or just non official (if u know what I mean) ?
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Well if you read the whole thread you will see seasoned users that won't touch it with a big pole, its a terrible buggy piece of software. I always recommend Odin as its safer. There is a thread in the dev section started by intratech, it will point you in the right direction how to flash using it. Its a matter of connecting your phone, gojng into download mode and flashing through a button called PDA, it will never time out mid flash;)

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
This means little chance of error if you follow the simple instructions;)

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[Galaxy S II General] roosta:
I updated my SGS1 via Kies (was i9000T Australian Telstra model) and didn't have any problems, used the NZ "Telecom" 2.2 Froyo firmware as Telstra took too long to release 2.2 last year...

Having said that I am getting the SGS2 in the next month nad its very interesting to know this - i am not a big fan of kies to be honest and this is more of a reason to use Odin now after feedback like this, cheers.

RoOSTA
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
No probs mate,

The moral is better to be safe than sorry, Odin is definitely the safe;)

JD@XDA

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