yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
sorry, don't mean to disrespect, hello, please somebody help me out with doixahn, I do believe this is the safest way to simulate dual touch with one fingerprint, it just needs the proper arguments... hellllllppppp:o

sorry... help doixanh...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr. Hat:
Hi, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but if you wanted DX's help, you should have written him a PM, but DX himself stated, that he doesn't need/want to improve DT on x8, therefore he is probably more interested in froyobread development, than in DT improving.

As for the idea, I don't think, this would be useful. Gestures for zoom work right, only think, that could be better is IMHO game mode, so even if the DT simulation worked, it wouldn't be very effective and it would cost a lot of performance, so the games would be unplayable with it. Also I don't think that it could ever be done this way, because even if you swapped the coordinates you wouldn't get two fingers, you would have one spot pressed + one finger movement at the time, which would be very ineffectively written code for just a single touch.

I don't say, I'm right, it's just my opinion, if someone managed to do this, I would be happy as hell.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XperianPro:
Yes but this fingers would swith so this will stop one finger on 1 ms and allow to move other finger for 1 ms then againg and again and then this will look like real dual-touch.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr. Hat:
Yes i get that, but how would you know, which one is moving at the time, correct me if I'm wrong, but when there are already two spots pressed and the coordinates are already swapped, you can't move the first finger, you would have to rise one finger and the press the screen again, because there is only one touch recognized. To make it work this way, we would need DT digitizer, this is not possible to make on single touch screen. The 1ms switching is useless, you can't recognize if the moving finger is the first or the second one, you would only knew, that one of them is moving.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
well for example in dual touch games...

we normally have two sticks placed at ideal positions right? so suppose this is the bottom part of your screen and your controls are placed at the bottom like in

figure 1

in my attached files

if we swap coordinates between the two points and detect the presence of the finger within a prescribed range, imagine the asterisks as finger 1 and finger 2 and the 0 as their ranges, ideally even if we only have a single touch since we have a prescribed dimension where a touch must be made, two distinct coordinates can always be extracted from a single touch screen within an interval, another illusion would be our hand ideally touching a side of the screen, this is for none game mode, though i doubt that there is a need to improve it,

imagine this scenario;

figure 2

in my attached files

since ideally we are holding the phone at two different places at a time, imagine both our thumbs holding a position near each asterisks, we can move it around within the rectangular boundaries and swap coordinates relative to the asterisk, again in every interval, a different coordinate must be swapped, so in order to specify which is which we just have to set boundaries and relative positions to identify that this finger is holding coordinate 1 and the other is holding coordinate 2.

the only real limitation i see is one a finger breaches the region specified for dual touch, other than that I do believe that this kind of illusion is more than enough for most applications:o
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
well this is a pseudocode for my figure 1 illusion, by default we are going to include ranges, i will represent it with arrays

0 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27

suppose our boundaries for finger 1 are 0 1 2 10 12 19 20 21 and the center is

11, then for finger 2 the boundaries are 7 8 9 16 18 25 26 27 and the center is 17

getOtherFinger(currentPos){

return !currentPos

}

getFinger(fingerPos, otherFingerPos, BoundaryCoor){

tempPos = null

if(withinBoundary(fingerPos)==true)

tempPos = fingerPos

else if(withinBoundar(fingerPos)

tempPos = otherFingerPos

return tempPos

}

detectFingers(){

boundaryCoor1, boundaryCoor2

while(screenIsTouched){

if(there are two fingers){

fingerpos = getOtherFinger(fingerPos)

delay()

fingerpos2 = getOtherFinger(fingerPos)

delay()

finger1 = getFinger(fingerPos, fingerPos2, boundary1)

finger2 = getFinger(fingerPos, fingerPos2, boundary2)

}

}

}

I'm not an expert and my idea is only a bit near to what i am trying to achieve, but at least hey i'm trying to visualize so folks help me out, I know there are a lot of programmers out there with insane skills when it comes to this
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
Yes i get that, but how would you know, which one is moving at the time, correct me if I'm wrong, but when there are already two spots pressed and the coordinates are already swapped, you can't move the first finger, you would have to rise one finger and the press the screen again, because there is only one touch recognized. To make it work this way, we would need DT digitizer, this is not possible to make on single touch screen. The 1ms switching is useless, you can't recognize if the moving finger is the first or the second one, you would only knew, that one of them is moving.

sir, that is why we need to use a relative post and a boundary, so that every time we swap to extract the coordinate of a finger, using a post or a central position and a boundary we have a basis for its movement and which finger is 1 or 2:)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrworldwide092:
plz check this one

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1158173
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
Your idea is great actually but idk if its possible to make maybe that's how the Nokia n8 digitizer work to simulate multitouch! But for now the x8gesture game mood is not bad but its not accurate around the edges of the screen if some Dec can look into your idea or improve the x8gesture this will make lots of people's days :) and make this phone alot better....thanks for reading that long :D
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
sir skyboyextreme, perhaps some of your friends can relay the idea to the experts, I think some of our developers can at least test if my thought is possible, nothing to lose here right, besides it's for the improvement of our beloved x8
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
sir skyboyextreme, can you please elaborate me about the n8 digitizer, i would like to know some details, you said it simulates multitouch, does that mean it only has a single touch digitizer just like our x8 or it has dual touch capabilities that is simulating multitouch functions
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kimpoy1994:
From what I read, N8 has the same digitizer like x8 (synaptics) so it has a Single Touch Digitizer, but emulates dual touch.. Well again that's what I read :D
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaz123:
Yeaah ;) it's a veru good idea,Primark. I read a thread where a guy said that the DEVs are already working on it. Is it true ??
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
Sir Kimpoy1994, If what you say about n8 is true sir, then perhaps someone could acquire the code for the touch panel of n8, someone could probably recode it to work for x8, that is probably our best shot for a dual touch emulation
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
nokia n8 already got DT and it's confirmed having the same digitizer t1021a....so if they could simulate DT events using a single touch digitizer similar to ours then i guess we can achieve the same as they did but it's gonna be hard i guess and since there is no body interested into looking at this then i guess we are outta luck at least for now ;)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaz123:
What?? I thought that DEVs were interested by improving this fantastic smartphone. I mean they develop the android system,but I think that X8 Synaptic owners ( 50% of x8 owners i think ^^) would be so happy.If only they developped that DT, I think they would have completed the "biggest" defy of the X8 :D

.....sorry for bad English, from France
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
sir skyboextreme, then I guess our only option is to make some noise and hope somebody hears us, the key to our dt is n8, sir doixahn, I do hope your reading this, since you were the one who started the gesture I believe you have the best shot in creating it for us
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaz123:
How can we make some noise ?? I think we just need doixanh or someone who knows him...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fifo171:
look here on post by _JoaoCampos

i think that key to DT isn't N8, but logitech revue, it has the same synaptics t1021 (look here ):)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] carloslopescj:
So, let me see if i get it right. With this we will be able to have multi touch (game mode) in x8 working prefectly?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fifo171:
maybe, if somebody with programming skills will look at the logitech revue touchscreen driver and if that person will understand how it works, than he/she will be able to make a DT module for us (maybe) :)

edit: i have found that HTC Legend has the same digitizer and it supports DT !!!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=794127

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REiOGBVTo34
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
dx is not interested in this project anymore so let's not push him around for something that he doesn't really need personally ;)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
maybe we should make a post in their forums asking where the touch screen driver might be located !
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaz123:
So create one ! Good idea ;)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
Thread Created , maybe something useful can come out of this one day ;)

Thread : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15981345#post15981345

crossing fingers.....
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaz123:
Thank you skyboyextreme.Let's make some noise now.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chris95X8:
So, there might really be some hope to get real DT-MT for Synaptics digitizers????!!!! THAT'S AMAZING!!!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
it will not be "real" , it will be simulated DT but it will be good enough for playing games ;) lets wait and see maybe we can get something like this eventually but for now there is no interested developer to try and break this nut !
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edxmon:
Some one replied in the HTC Legend thread skyboyextreme:

I know nothing about coding/programing, but even if it is part of the kernel, couldn't we extract the section of the Legend kernel that controls DT/MT and inject it into the X8 kernel via a module? Please correct me if I am wrong, as I have a feeling I might be misunderstanding what modules are and ca do.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fifo171:
yes :)

i have asked AnDyX if he will look at this and he answered: "Sorry but I'm involved in some project - so currently I couldn't help. I will ad it to my list."

so, maybe one day we will have DT :) maybe :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
i guess this new project is the x8netfilter :D thanks andyx
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
yes, i knew making some noise would help, good thing there are other mobile in the same situation that is already capable of simulating dt, now we need to make some more noise
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
video showing NOVA being played on legend using DT check it out and tell me your opinion i guess it makes MT games playable....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd9JmAgKRk4

Edit #1 :

Another Video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLa6f2NutFk
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _JoaoCampos:
Nice work on getting a dev's attention :) Hope it interests him, would make everyone on these boards very happy since 95% of the people have the synaptics touchscreen.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mati96PL:
So for now we need:

-Some dev interestet

-Time

??
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
DX's Game mood is not bad it just needs some minor fixes !

well i repeat the game mood that we already got from DX is good it just have problems around the edges of the screen , when the first touch is at the edge of the screen the second touch is not recognized, instead the first touch shifts it's location to the point where the second touch should have appeared ! that's our only problem with DX's game mood if some one would just find a way to fix this problem i stated, then it will be good enough for day to day gaming on this phone !
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
got banned for at least a week

hmm, I actually try to bring up the idea to racth, got banned in exchange, I was hoping to get more attention, silly me... anyways I'm looking at the driver doixahn left, what I noticed is that it always assumes a certain position when emulating dualtouch, means even though you touched a different sector it will still be at a certain sector that is predefined once it recognizes that there are two fingers touched. I wonder if instead of generating a fake position, why not....

if(two finger is pressed)

store 1st finger in position 1

position 2 = get2ndPosition(position 1)

end if

ofcourse your second position is bound to be not your first position

I actually now wonder how they determine that there are two fingers pressed in the first place.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alphine.zzz:
Will be problem in keyboard, maybe no, if you are using slideIt..

But maybe could be usefull for gaming, better there is enable/disable this module..
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
The best we can hope for !!

a video showing how the Emulated DT work on Nokia's flagship handset N8

we all know that n8 uses the t1021a the same touch chip that we have in our x8!!

so this video shows the "best" it gets for us synpatics users regarding DT with this specific chip !

ps. nokia n8 can play all the gameloft hd multi-touch games nicely , check youtube....

Fake N8 DT :

[YOUTUBE]rEM2fuIGWh0[/YOUTUBE]

Games being played using the "Fake N8 DT" :

Spider man :

[YOUTUBE]JPN1f8T4Wbo[/YOUTUBE]

assassin's creed :

[YOUTUBE]aivlOZs2Ez0[/YOUTUBE]

The point of this post is showing that if some one could make the x8gesture module behave like this (first video) then we will be able to handle MT games very well on the synpatics x8 !

thanks for reading.......
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
well, nicely done by the n8 developer
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
they have done a wonderful job !! dual touch on a single touch chip even though it's not perfect bu IT IS more than sufficient for pinch-zoom & games !
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
Just bought the app. Hopefully somebody manages to do that dt of n8
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spevky:
I hope AndyX improves dual touch for synaptics...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
Yup, I hope so too, does andyx no about this forum?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blagus:
We need N8 digitizer's firmware. Not kernel driver, firmware. Then something might be possible.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
i've tried looking into the n8 firmware but i got lost inside the firmware package :( sadly i'm no nokia expert.....
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaz123:
Hey guys. I just spoke with a dev and he said me that the Legend's digitizer's firmware might be located in kernel or in sources.legend.so

Hope it will helo you :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deedii:
I know dx can improve it but well people makes him mad not to improve his x8gesture. :)
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abaz123:
He wrote in the second post of the "GINGERDX" thread that he is working on a feature but it takes a lot of time. Maybe it's an improved x8gesture hehe^^
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] proadi96:
i am 99% sure that he will NOT do this .
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
i know it was our fault but don't we deserve a second chance ? lol anyways no pushing him around for something that he is not interested in anymore....
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
I'm kinda confused on whom you are referring to as dx, is it doixahn or andyx both have dx with them... anyways I understand a bit of c but not to the level of the developers here in xda.
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nigi2010:
Doixanh..
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bryke:
doixahn FroyoBread v012 x8Gesture didnt work on my X8 after i install his ROM .i dunno why and i cant play Dungeon Hunter. too sad i hope someone can help me how to roll back to official Eclair 2.1 ,,Pretty Please
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nigi2010:
Are you sure that your x8 has synaptic digitizer?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AvrDroid:
try Andyx's dual touch for cypress maybe you don't have synaptic digitizer
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
Ever wondered why Sony decided to use 2 kinds of touch digitizer? I mean it is kinda silly...
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bryke:
Hi i just found out that my x8 is not supported by x8gesture? Im not pretty but i follwed the dmesg code and compare the result. Is there anyway i can make my x8 a multi touch?
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
Bad news for all of us, doixahn have just posted that he is dropping all his projects in x8, he said he doesn't have an x8 anymore since he already gave it to his cousin...:(
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bryke:
Thats true but x8 lovers here is making funds for him so he can afford buy a new x8

Dx is beyond awesome all the works he made for our x8 rom is totally great and im hoping he will stay..
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
i guess he will stay, seeing the progress made in the fund raising thread people donated enough money already for him to buy a new x8 :D but maybe this one will have a cypress digitizer who knows lol, but anyways he is a great dev and deserves all the support that he can get, i wish i could donate to him but i only got alertpay account paypal is panned in my country......
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bryke:
Yeah and that thread is really growing.. i hope there is a way they can make x8gestre supported in synpass dgitzer like mine. Lol
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpyderX:
Doixanh should already have enough for new x8, i counted. Rejoice :D :D !
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bryke:
Sounds great man!" Cant cant wait for his upcomimg awesome updates!!
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primark:
Rejoice lol
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyboyextreme:
yes now after having the bootloader cracked the x8 looks sooooo perfect only one thing that is making me wanna swap it for something else, yea you guessed right can't play games on it cause there is no DT till now :( , by the way a question for blagus whats the difference between the kernel driver and the digitizers "firmware" ?! thanks
[XPERIA X8 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cherwinrobles:
i wanna help

pls try this one, http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=1158173

if dnt work, try to ask mr,racht to fix that kind of problem...
[HTC EVO 3D] zedomax:
Whoohoo, HTC said sorry about their lies and bringing some unlocked bootloaders soon to 3D, at least they made a statement yesterday.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/12/htc-sensation-4g-evo-3d-will-be-first-to-get-unlocked-bootloader/
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
**** you. It's hard enough trolling the **** out of one troll thread. Try again later when the next shift comes in.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Bwhahahahahah I know its to hard to keep up I may have to call it quits

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] phatmanxxl:
Guys Im seriously running out if troll pics.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I know I had to recycle a few :( today was a big day

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I am not proud of this....................

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
hahahahahahahahaha....ohhh my....hahahahahaha, i'm actually lolling my ass off.
[HTC EVO 3D] phatmanxxl:
I never thought I'd be hitting a 2000 post count from trolling xda but...
[HTC EVO 3D] NewZJ:
I got lots of troll pics
[HTC EVO 3D] novanosis85:
I'm still on vacation at troll island.
[General Questions and Answers] kanjo:
hey guys im new to the scene and trying to figure as much stuff out on my own as i can, usually i do a good job and don't need to ask for help. but i do when i have to, so the problem i am having is with a sony xperia play .

its my brothers phone and i was thinking about getting one but i want to "root" it and see whats what with it but i am trying to do so without unlocking the bootloader just incase anything goes wrong with it later so it remains under warranty. im coming from the iphone jail-breaking scene so this is a little different. but i want to give it a go. so i'm trying to root it i checked out this post

http://xdaforums.com/show...1044765&page=1

i realize at the top of the post it says not all devices are supported because of new FW's does the FW i am on fall in this category?

i tried it with the 1.2.apk and the 1.1

im not sure why it is not working.

but i have a feeling its got something to do with the FW the phone has come with

its running 2.3.3

build number 3.0..1.A.0.145

model number r800i

kernal version 2.6.32.9-perf

i formatted the SD card before anything then after i installed gingerbreak to the phone itself. (also tried it without formatting it, i installed gingerbreak and tried to run it then and it didnt work so i rebooted formatted SD card and tried again and still nothing)

made sure the phone was set to be in USB debugging mode.

gingerbreak opens and has the options there but when i tap "root device" it just says "running exploit" ect on screen and nothing changes. on the post it says usually about 10 minutes but i read through it and one person said it worked for theirs but it took an hour and a half, but another said it took 3-5 minutes.

so i do not know what i am doing wrong. but i have a feeling its the FW it has come with out of the box but i have not been able to find out any information about it as of yet.

i have found another post saying to flash it with a UK generic FW 2.3.2 .184

but im guessing i cannot downgrade to a FW that was not on the phone from packaging. although i may be wrong but that is usually the norm with this kind of thing.

any help in getting me in the right direction is greatly appreciated, and i hope to be able to help others in the future. yes it doesn't seem like i am of much help right now seeing as i can't even get it rooted yet. but i tend to pick up on things very fast. today i am having trouble getting in to it. but soon enough i will get there thank you to anyone who read this i know it is a little long but i wanted to make sure i gave as much information as possible to make sure i haven't left out something critical if i have left out anything let me know and once again thank you for taking the time to read this post and reply (if you did reply =] )
[General Questions and Answers] kanjo:
-.- 88 views and not one reply....

anyway if anyone here can help me at all please do,

what use is knowledge if it isn't shared or spread.

none.
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] quixin:
I purchased the Atrix on release day and ever since have not been able to use the Grooveshark app. After emailing support and providing acatlog's, an update has been released that allows the Atrix to stream music over the app - FINALLY.

http://m.grooveshark.com/android
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] con_ritmo:
one word: tinyshark.
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] Mdchilds:
It works now on my atrix but song cache is still slow at times. Better than not working at all though.