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[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
It is actually YOUR post that is cluttering here. And the large PIC was even more clutter. There isn't a single post or reply that has made the case that I have made. This thread is about the case that I am making. Take your rant somewhere else please. Or go back and edit your post to just -1 (without the PIC clutter... seeing how you are against the clutter)
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
You have yet to prove that. I am making a specific case. Link those posts here that make the same (thought out) case that I am making.
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
People couldn't rightfully blow up the HTC wall if Sprint is responsible for a re-lock.

You have to remember... Sprint is more their customer than we are.
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
this is true but id think if sprint wanted it locked they would have told HTC no don't do that we don't want our customers to be able to unlock it. i mean all the OTA's to my understanding have to be approved by sprint and sprint has to check them first am i wrong here? that's what i understood was when we where all hitting up HTC about the gingerbread update for the

EVO.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
You have a lot of reading to do...

And "thought out". If you think this is thought out... Then only god know what other thoughts fall out of your brain...

All of your *key* ideas have already been brought up...

Like I said good job putting it all in one page... But a little late to the debate

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163223

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[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
And who ever said there was a "delay"

Maybe they haven't started it or are trying to deal with the other 40 devices they sell... And all of there problems and complaints

Let alone the bugs in our phones and sensations... Jesus Christ I mean you expect HTC to just whip up a "update" for the bootloader when they have phones that are spazzing out and melting them selfs...

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[HTC EVO 3D] iitreatedii:
All this stuff and I point it out...I.recieve a 3 point infraction and the threads removed I call horse sh*t bro. Once again another thread about something written a million times
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
OMG... You went from "4 to 9" threads to ONE... And it doesn't even come close to covering the case that I am making. Item 1 in my case is PROVABLE.
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
Yea, I hear you. But there's really no way to stop someone from posting what they want to post. There is always some duplicate threads, always. I decided to post in this one, instead of the others. Was I supposed to search all of them, and see which one was posted first, and then reply in the first one? Hell no. This was the first one I saw (although I know there are more, but why would I want to find out which one was posted first, when I could just as easily reply to this one).

So although I agree with you that it can sometimes be annoying to have multiple threads about the same topic, I have pretty much come to accept that that is how it will always be. You can't control what other people are going to post on the internet, no matter how many facepalm pics people post in their threads. I see plenty of threads where I think to myself, "damn, I just ready a 32 page thread about the same topic, do I really need to click on this other one?" nah, I'll just pass it. Surely there isn't any info in this one that I didn't already read in the others. So yea, its just how it is. Especially in this forum, where it seems to be more hectic, hostile, and redundant than any other forum I've frequented, lol.

I think once people can start flashing roms and kernels, things will settle down. It's like a bunch of junkies in here, waiting for their next fix. Everyone is down eachothers throats. Idunno, in other forums, if two or more threads are 'accidentally' created with the same topic, the mods will usually merge the two threads together into one, to keep things more organized. That doesn't happen here. I think instead of everyone flaming and facepalming one another, that everyone should just report to a mod and they should merge the thread, quietly. So people wouldn't even know what happened. But that has never happens here on xda, so everyone just goes crazy flaming a newbie for posting a duplicate thread. Again, I agree..that if people would read up a bit before posting, they'd see that there is already a thread of similar nature for them to post in...but that's expecting a lot :p Things will eventually settle down.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Omg because the other threads are closed... Due to over posted info/multiple threads

And again who says there is a "delay"

You?

Well you seem to be pretty knowledgeable how about you fly over to the HTC headquarters in Korea and show them how to properly update there devices....

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[HTC EVO 3D] SpyFi:
The future will tell.. in 2 months lol. Just wait and see what people say when they flash and decide from there. The devs here work hard and may have a solution before you ever need to update for s-off. Who knows but I know we cannot wait for it to happen.

Sent from a blazing fast 1.8 GHZ Evo 3D.
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
They probably did ask them not to do it. The long silence from HTC was probably them trying to figure out how to keep Sprint happy. My theory delivered on the promise and transfers anger to Sprint if they do relock it.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I report threads then facepalm..... To bad when you "report" a thread it just doesn't vanish from viewing...

I'm not trying to be a mini mod

But it states in xda rules read b4 posting and search be posting

Yeah yeah I'm a hypocrite because I flame and troll and break xda rules... But what else is there to do?

DEBATE that's it... God I can't wait to be all in the themes and development section....

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[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
You posted ONE which didn't even make the case. Please post the other 4 to 9 (closed or otherwise) that DO replicate my case.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Do you know when threads are closed they are usually deleted

And you obviously didn't read the thread

And AGAIN please tell me where you heard that HTC "delayed" the bootloader unlock ota

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[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
well maybe we should all hit up sprint and get Dan Hesse to give us a answer on where the company stands as far as unlocking bootloaders.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Dan@sprint.com

He doesn't even read them so good luck... Trust me I wrote a few emails when my data/coverage was messed up and got a "automated" email in responce and a phone call from Crystal who apparently is a customer service rep... Not the CEO

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[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
Omg... You are making your case worse, bro! So I'm supposed to search for deleted / unsearchable threads now? That's a cool new rule Mr troll.
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
and im not talking about spamming the ceo thats stupid i ment at least hit up sprints fb or something.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Well still dans Facebook page is not ran and updated personally by him... Lmfao...

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[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
no it isn't but we did it with htc for this bootloader ****; and sprint has a official fb page ran by the company somewhere along the line if we can get the CEO to post on the HTC fb page i'm sure we can get dans ****ing attention.
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
I swear, 98% of threads started on XDA now end up getting turned to crap because a few people can't move past some things, that are really not that hard to move past. A few scrolls down and thats it, you went past it. Not one single person can start a thread, and have it not get trolled, flamed, ruined, run into the ground. Even the developers end up getting their threads trolled, or sent so far off topic that it's ridiculous. Then someone will step in, thinking they are in charge, and command everyone to get back on topic. Then everyone revolts against that person, saying 'what do you think you're a mod or soemthing?", and then it's all downhill from there. Flames, facepalms, arguing, *****ing, whining. Christ, just friggin move on from something if you don't like it. It is REALLY not hard to NOT press the 'quote' button and tell a specific person how you feel about something.

It has gotten so bad, that even I am guilty of doing it in this thread. I think I am going to take a break from this forum a couple days and see whats going on out in the world. My 'daily break from reality' (xda tech and geekyness) has become too painful and so much of a nuissance. It is getting hard to ignore some of the crazyness around here.
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
lol this is true i have been trying to stay away cause its nuts and have done a fairly good job and not blowing up but sometimes **** happens.
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
Lets match a bowl, have a big session, and we can all be friends. Sound Good?:D
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
sounds good to me! :D
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
lol, we can start a google+ huddle and have a virtual sesh. hahaha.
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
lol to bad I'm at work ATM :'(
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I'm down but Google+ keeps fc me out of it :(

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[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
on the phone? thats weird take it u uninstalled and reinstalled? and it will still do it?

maybe clear cache for that prog or data?
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Yup went as far as rebooting/full factory reset

I sent a report to Google+ but haven't got a email back so..... I think it hates me more than the OP

But back on topic!

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[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
lol

Haters to the Left
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
Sorry, then startin without you guys. Soon I won't care how many duplicate posts there are or what anyone has to say in them. :D
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
Grow up people. This is like a bunch of kiddos whinging here.

Can we try to remain on topic without flaming?
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
Thank you pulser!

Now, on the the items I mentioned and to continue my case:

1. Install a special HBOOT which CANNOT be downrev'd (again we already know this is the case in old school EVOs that have S-OFF... why wouldn't they do lockout HBOOT to prevent an ENG bootloader? They can still do that even with delivering S-OFF)

2. Close current root exploits - NO ONE doubts this will happen. There is no conspiracy theory here... it is just responsible.

3. Prevent, limit, or make difficult the ability to install a recovery ROM - I really don't see why they wouldn't do this. It wouldn't breach their promise... but this is the only item I can see people doubting.

and worse...

4. Give carriers the ability to later enforce S-ON and/or wipe recoveries. - maybe they wont do it with this 3D... since the flames with so fierce... but once they have a process figured out, I bet they will do this with future ones.
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
I don't see this happening. People would still he pissed and still leave HTC, it would put them back where they were just 2 months ago. Besides, there's no precedent for this. HTC has a chance here to really embrace the developing community, something that would only add to their business and reputation. Why do something sneaky and piss people off even more?

Also, we don't all know how easy this would be and I trust that HTC is approaching this in a safe and intelligent manner. Thus the reason for the tome period required to make it happen.

I guess I'm more of an optimist and don't just go looking for malevolence for the sake of it.

tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] phonetec:
#TeamWin should have held off on revealing the exploit until HTC unlocked the bootloaders
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
...and leave hundreds of thousands of phones vulnerable to potential attack from perhaps a less scrupulous group of hackers because you want wifi tether and titanium backup?

No. They did the right and responsible thing here. Otherwise they might be playing russian roulette with someone elses personal information.

Also, anything less would have not have displayed the good will of our community. It would have been holding something hostage. Not cool.
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
The exploit will still hold up if people don't take the updates. I'm gonna wait. I want the ENG bootloader. We won't get that with the HTC s-off
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
Well, yeah, there's also that. Never ever ever take updates. I know most people here aren't on their first Android and likely not their first rooting. I don't quite understand why some people insist on taking the updates anyway.
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
Well... If team win doesn't unlock first... Most people will take the updates since they will have to if they wasn't soff. I will wait to make sure that a. Teamwin gives up, and b. Taking htc soff gives full access with Eng bootloader down rev capability.
[HTC EVO 3D] coffeehandle:
@your OP

i mean.. i can understand why youd think that. But you also have to view it in a marketing perspective on HTC sake. Do you know what kinda repercussions theyd deal with if it wasnt to at least dev expectations. And TeamWin, i think, wont give up. theyre on a role.

Regardless of any of our futuristic opinions, all of us will have to wait and see.

I beleive HTC got there feet wet these past couple months and doubt theyll mess with the dev community by offering a hboot that benifits the "average" user and most of us here on XDA
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
I've got faith in teamwin, and I like to hedge my bets anyway. I have another launch day E3D waiting for me should I choose to switch back soon....no updates, no nothin'.

<OT>I'm on the fence. On one hand I really do miss the 3D, the same 3D that I was bashing like crazy before the phone came out. I was wrong. Take a picture of that, I try to not have to say that often. But it's true. The 3D is a pretty compelling feature and I miss it. Even though the cameras still suck I miss the sucky cameras taking 3D....and the dual core 1gb ram thing. Also nice.

My NS4G is already running all the roms I want. CM7 and MIUI, and will get ICS first, I'm get 65fps ~2.25stdev@1.4ghz stable, 3450 quadrant, killer battery and the camera is awesome...screen is a bit smaller, though it isn't all narrow....

...tough call really. Though I'm pretty sure I'll just get the E3D again....we're this close...I'm still here. I'm not trolling. Someone convince me one way or the other.

Full disclosure: I won't leave the forum either way</OT>
[HTC EVO 3D] coffeehandle:
all i wanna know is how do you have the money to switch phones that easily haha jk man
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
I don't spend money to do this. I'm working the system. I paid $24 (plus $50 gift card) for my E3D upgrade (a year early)...brought it back, got a full refund back...spent that paying down my phone bill...then traded in my E4G for the NS4G ($137 from BB). NS4G cost me $12. Then I called sprint to ***** about 2 upgrade fees and got my early upgrade credit, both upgrade fees rescinded and a $25 inconvenience credit for my signal sucking on both of these new phones so far.

None of this was done by lying. I tell the truth, I just tell the right person.

Now my bill is -$2... So I can bring back this NS4G and get an Evo3D for only $50 more...but that includes BB's buy-back plan, because I expect to trade this phone in (and that'll net me $350 trade in the next 6 months) for the Nexus Prime when it comes out (hopefully by the end of the year, rumors shoot for octoberish)....So, that'll probably be $700ish, minus $350, that's $350ish...not bad for a launch day phone with no upgrade credit.

Work the system man. There are rules in place. Follow them to. the. ****ing. tee. I don't lie. I make a point of that. I use the rules of the system. They can work both ways.
[HTC EVO 3D] coffeehandle:
Dude, just ripped my brain from my cranium, put it in a blender, and back in. That's wicked. Thanks for that in depth topic
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
I imagine you are being serious. It's hard to tell, I'm part of DupeThreadJackTrollSupportStaff tonight. But that's all true. The same rules that usually screw most people can be honestly used to give you a leg up on the pile without any scumbaggery.

Being convincing helps...but, knowing that you are not lying and only arguing your case helps to be convincing. In that capacity you are always right. It is all true and it is your side of the story. If you don't like the outcome escalate the incident. No need to lie.

There are far scummier people doing far scummier things for far scummier reasons all the time. We are merely exercising the very options we are intentionally provided with by the company we are paying money to.
[HTC EVO 3D] coffeehandle:
LOL yes I'm serious. I'm no prick. That was some cool info.

from my PG86100 using XDA App
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
Good. Then pass it on. The more people that use it the less effective it becomes, but, that is a good thing...because if everybody in the world knew this and thought this way nobody would be getting screwed by other people, and the people who would be doing the screwing wouldn't make offers/deals that suggested something other than what they intended. Equilibrium.

I guess you could even gain good karma by doing that.:cool:
[HTC EVO 3D] madnish30:
Way too much flaming, thread closed - endless and pointless debate - patience shall help not screaming at each other.
[Off-topic] stinger1:
Hello,

we all know that G+ has started recently,

and people start sending invitations to each other...

what was your first post on your page (if its not a personal thing :))...

i will start with myself :cool:..

mine was:

any body here ?? ..... LOL

it was odd being alone on my account, no body will see what i am writing :)

lets see yours.
[Off-topic] Dntpnc:
I posted this link http://9gag.com/gag/156528
[Samsung Infuse 4G] SamsTechAnswers:
Welp I am one of the stupid ones and installed MIUI on my Infuse, and like everyone else, I'm stuck on the boot screen. I looked at the post on the same topic and tried to do it but couldn't get it to work probably becuase the computer says that its an Unknown device instead of a Samsung device.

So my question is what do I do now that my computer doesn't recongize the phone as a device anymore?

Thanks to all that can give help.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1116251

And lesson learned - never install a ROM from another phone.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] SamsTechAnswers:
Yeah I know that now. Foolish mistake I know I shouldn't have made.

But, I have tried using that but when I connect the phone to the computer it shows to be an unknown device and Odin doesn't pick it up at all. My problem is, is that the computer doesn't recognize it as an Android Device anymore. Is downloading the drivers from Samsung going to help?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
I'll have to leave that to someone else - I use Heimdall on a Linux box, I've never flashed from Windows.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] SamsTechAnswers:
Oh, ok. Well thanks for your help :).
[Samsung Infuse 4G] SamsTechAnswers:
I fixed my problem. What I had to do was get another computer that doesn't have the Samsung Drivers or Kies installed and then install them. Once that was done Odin found the device and I was able to restore it.

So there's a tip for anyone who can't get their device to be recognized by the computer or Odin itself.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] nstong:
Or just uninstall/delete those drivers?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
i have started to do this to since i got the infuse. ill tell you i dont miss driver issues one bit! linux/bsd/mac/whatever rock as long as you have supported hardware and that is becoming less and less of a problem these days.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Misterjunky:
re: Now Stuck

You need to try and pull the battery out and put it back see if you can get the phone into "download mode". If you cannot get it into download mode by doing that or using the up/down volume and power key combo then I would suggest that you purchase a "jig" on ebay. (they cost under $10 bucks shipped).

Here is the ebay link for the jig:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-Galaxy-...0563626533?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item20ba3eba25

With a jig all you would need to do is to remove battery, plug the little jig into the usb port of phone and replace the battery, then wait 5 seconds or so and the phone will be in download mode allowing you to use Odin3 and flash back to "stock rom" to start with..

Best if you did that using the "Ultimate Unbrick" stock froyo rom after that

you can install infuse 1.5 custom rom or Bionix or the defused custom rom or any other rom.

Here is the link for the Ultimate Unbrick:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1116251

Good luck.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] SamsTechAnswers:
I tried that but it didn't work on my computer, but that's just my computer that could work for someone else. If that doesn't work though, you can get another computer and install the drivers on them and that should work.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] jayson94538:
Where are you trying to uninstall the drivers from? I have windows 7 and went to device manager or whatever and took it off there. Then reinstalled kies, worked perfect after.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] malikin:
and.... do not touch if it works properly;)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] benholman:
I guess this is a good sign. Our phone is gaining popularity because new people are buying it and trying dumb things with it ;)
[HTC Sensation] keithgrobertson:
Hey,

First off, yes - I used the search feature. No thread actually asks whats the best screen protector is?

I'm looking for one that's easy to apply. HOPEFULLY not liquid based. The static cling ones seem to work well...

Either way, liquid-based or static, I'm just looking for the best feeling screen protector that does it job. Any links, personal experience, etc, would be great!

I've seen a few on eBay but I've heard that they don't have the proper edges to the screen and such... Like, it doesn't fit with the contours of the screen, how the Sensation's screen curves.

Anyways, TLDR: looking for the best screen protector based on personal experience.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
I can tell you one NOT to get - the Martin Fields Screen Protector. Terrible fit
[HTC Sensation] nicky041192:
The best protectors I have used so far are the official htc ones. Great fit. But hard to get the corners down. i soaked them in water as it makes it easier to align and apply.

I just installed my phantomskinz. Got a few little bubbles and is a bit hazy. Need to wait a day or two before they go away, hopefully.

I will go for the official htc ones. Very smooth! But are fingerprint magnets.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
I've got some official ones on order at the mo, hopefully arrive 2moro. When you say soak them in water do you mean give them a quick dunk or a proper soak?
[HTC Sensation] nicky041192:
I gave it a proper soak in warm water to soften it up to try and mould it to the corners.

It doesn't matter really. If you have lint stuck on the protector, you can wash it in soapy water and re-apply. Once applied you will notice some haziness due to the soap. It goes away after a day or two.
[HTC Sensation] rolltideburr:
The hTC ones seem to be the favorite..

the only place i've found in the US to purchase them are expansys-usa.com and they are out of stock until August...

Anyone else know where we can purchase these??
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
Loads in the UK that should ship world-wide
[HTC Sensation] rolltideburr:
links?

or names of UK companies??

thanks
[HTC Sensation] nicky041192:
£4 on ebay.
[HTC Sensation] StefanB86:
You could find them in here, from UK: http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=218032 :)
[HTC Sensation] keithgrobertson:
ebay link?
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
One here, won't ship to Italy:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140567951769
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
dont use this guy http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280703853817 the corners are not cut properly so they overhang the ridge on the edge of the screen leaving large air pockets.. just been on trimming one as 6 came and gave up, probs try another seller
[HTC Sensation] rolltideburr:
i just bought two packs of http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-X-GENUINE-H...LaptopAccessories_RL&hash=item20ba80b999#shId

ended up being about $18. Not bad considering they're $11 each pack in the US, and they will probably get here earlier than the ones from expansys-usa.
[HTC Sensation] anarchyuk:
not to be a kill joy but have u seen his negative feedback for them not fitting!!