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[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
Consider also the fact that those who got the 4G are still on the 2 year contract. Those who actually lurk these boards may have taken advantage of the upgrade reset.
[HTC EVO 3D] life64x:
I did....many, many times...at corporate stores..private ones and online. Then I figured...it was not worth to lose it. And the upgrade was just as expensive as to purchase one...400 for the evo 3d..subtract 250 for my old evo...150 dollars. I started with sprint nov of last year. 150 was just right to get me in.
[HTC EVO 3D] Genjinaro:
My thoughts exactly.
[HTC EVO 3D] Harfainx:
Where are you having trouble with the service? I moved from Buffalo not too long ago and I got great service from Sprint there. I used to live just off Hertel near Military and never had any issues. Really the only places that I didn't get good service were east of the zoo, and out past Amherst.

Anyway, on topic... Of course they didn't sell as well, as everyone else has stated, they just aren't as "wow" as they were last year. Many people also just simply don't have the full upgrade yet, and aren't willing to pay the extra money.
[HTC EVO 3D] chrischoi:
Your friend who is in the know? Lol. Does he go around to the stores? Or does he just tell the managers what to do? Try asking someone who spends a lot of time in the stores...
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
I have to disagree on some of those points. I never said the bootloader had anything to do with it. I said that the supposed number of 10% of people who want a unlocked bootloader is a lot larger when you figure in that the phone hasn't sold a lot of units. I don't think people being locked into contracts had much to do with it. The Hero and Moment were big sellers and a lot of people upgraded from those phones to the Evo which came out barely a year later. (Hero - Oct. '09/Moment - Nov. '09/Evo 4G - June '10) And if you don't think that HTC/Sprint anticipated this being a big seller you are being foolish. What company doesn't bank on following a successful phone with another one? You think Apple goes into production assuming that the next iPhone isn't gonna sell at least the same amount if not more than the previous version? If that was the case why spend the money to develop and put in a new processor, GPU, screen, 3D camera, more RAM....Why even call it the Evo? You include all of those new features and call it the Evo hoping to bank on the name and success of the OG Evo IMO. I mean I'm no business major but that sounds like good business to me.

Actually he does a lot of travelling. I usually call or text him when I have a problem to see which store he is gonna be in and what time. If he is gonna be out of the area he usually lets the tech/sales person at the store nearest to me to expect my visit.
[HTC EVO 3D] iitreatedii:
this is true bc i was conversing, friendly btw, with the girl at the sprint store i went to. long story short, i asked about reservation amounts. She said the Evo tore this phone apart in first day sales, not even close. Anyways to add a funny note, she goes okay im going to update your phone with this OTA. Im like no i dont want it thank you. Shes like why are you going to root it? I was like oh man if only my girl was interested in this stuff lol, na jk. But it was pretty cool to meet someone like that.
[HTC EVO 3D] eman3316@optonline.net:
I need a friend at a Sprint store. Any Sprint employee's in NC want to be my friend :(
[HTC EVO 3D] chrischoi:
So he doesn't sell... he does a lot of traveling... spends his time in a care or whatever he uses to travel. He looks at reports and goes around to make sure people are in uniform, the stores are clean and addresses any concerns with employees. I'd say less than 10% even know what a bootloader is... you're wrong, he's wrong, stupid thread that has nothing to do with anything. You just think you're right because you think he's "in the know"... Come on now...

There are more returns on the 3D? False.

4G outsold the 3D in mass numbers? True.

So let's say 30 - Evo 4G's were sold in a month and let's estimate that there is a 1 in 9 return rate... do you're at approximately... 3. So around 10%...

Let's say 10 - Evo 3D's sold in a month... and to be honest, I'm making these numbers up. But I can personally say that I've never seen one returned... So that makes it 0%. Maybe 1 might be returned in the next week and a half... but there's nothing proving that there are more returns...
[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
No one in this thread, including myself has provided any sources for numbers. Everyone is pulling numbers out their asses.
[HTC EVO 3D] chrischoi:
Not a single 3D has been returned at the store I work at. That's a actual number. 0.

How many went out, I can't say. But I can say release day stock was sold out and fulfilled by pre-orders within a hour of store opening.

We've been lucky to keep 1-2 in stock.
[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
I'm just making the point all we have currently is speculation. No one but Sprint Corp knows how many 3Ds got activated / returned etc.

In all honestly I'm not sure why some care how well the phone sold. HTC already stated they are unlocking the bootloaders for their future devices. The real question which I suppose will be answered is if in any way our devices will lose warranty. Not sure if that will be the case if the unlock will be given via ota.
[HTC EVO 3D] A.Priori:
What is a dilusion praytell? :-*
[HTC EVO 3D] A.Priori:
This reminds me of how I felt when I'd meet a girl who played wow back in the day :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
I never said that there were more 3Ds returned than 4Gs. Come on the 4G has been out over a year. He said that from his memory he has gotten more returns so far of the 3D than the 4G. Is his memory correct? I don't know. Like I said twice in my OP that none of this was definitive. Only speculation. And he does a lot more than what you are saying. He actually sold me my 4G, Epic & 3D! He also was there to swap out my battery yesterday. So he probably does do a lot of the things you mentioned but I know for sure he also still sells phones & does a little tech work. That was actually how he started with the company or at least when I met him 6 or 7 yrs as a tech. Not gonna argue with you on numbers that you just pulled out your ass because me, you, nor my friend actually know the exact numbers sold/returned. I was stating what was told to me by a friend & fellow smartphone junkie who I happen to trust & has never steered me wrong in the past. His being a district manager and having access to inventory and sales numbers of the stores he manages weighs highly in his favor for me over the BS theories and numbers from somebody who just got here. Sorry. You and anyone else on here can believe it or not. I really don't care. But it won't be long before we start to hear some official numbers & oh I will be back to remind you fanboys & naysayers.
[HTC EVO 3D] TheNexxuvas:
Yeah to the OP, you're friend can only speak for his district. Because as a person who actually manages the inventory I can say he cannot claim poor sales of this unit. Because in my district, heck even my own back room, I have waaaaaaaaaaaaaay different results that I will not share due to insider trading.

Take it FWIW...his outlook on his area.

See sig for position and where outlook comes from.
[HTC EVO 3D] js2393:
Is anyone really surprised the OG EVO sold so much better?

1. The OG EVO was definitely more revolutionary at the time than the 3D is now. To most people, it was the first true competitor to the iPhone and attracted the attention of the general public with it's huge 4.3' screen", distinguishing it from the iPhone, which at the time, was pretty much the epitome of smartphones. The 3D has similar features to the EVO and is definitely a proper successor, but overall, it's not a HUGE upgrade like the EVO was.

2. Due to the popularity of the EVO, many people bought it, and those people are on 2-year contracts, so I imagine most didn't want to shell out the $$$ for an incremental upgrade and decided to just wait until their contract is up.

3. At present, although I would consider the SGII and 3D the best smartphones out right now, there are many viable alternatives for most people (ex. the cheaper EVO which is still a good phone). The 3D isn't as unique as the EVO was, so people aren't flocking to it.

In terms of sales, the lack of 3D sales is evident in my town. I live in a small college town so electronics aren't very hard to find at first launch (Wii, PS3, phones, etc), and there are never any lines of people waiting. However, the OG EVO was sold out from launch until August in a 3-hour driving radius around my town. For the 3D, my local RadioShack has had 5-10 consistently in stock since launch and never sold out as far as I know (they're selling, just not as fast as the OG EVO). Maybe HTC stepped up production for the 3D, but I doubt it's the main cause for the lack of 3D sell outs.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
And why can't he claim poor sales because you can't? It's like you said, his observations are based on a district perspective. I never said he communicated with people in other districts of the country & came to his conclusion. Maybe in your district they are selling. But in the district that he oversees they are not selling anywhere near the pace that the OG Evo sold. Not that they are not selling at all, which was what I said in the OP. You can take from that what you will. Is that a reflection of total sales nationwide? Only Sprint knows that for sure. We will find out soon enough.
[HTC EVO 3D] slayer69:
In November on your year anniversary when you are eligible to get a partial upgrade you should call the sprint retention line and I bet they will give you the upgrade. Most that got it were evo 4g launch day buyers. They are giving users that signed a contract one year before April (this year) one last upgrade. Then we are locked in for 2 years after. So the way I see it is that because you are not at your 1st year yet they would not give it too you.
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
Once again, Sprint knew this phone wouldnt sell anywhere near what the first Evo did.. even most of us knew that as common sense dictated so you think they didnt? Sprint made employees and people with swac accounts wait from June until NOVEMBER to be able to upgrade to get the Evo last year. This year they only put a 3 day hold on it. If you really thought the 3D was going to see the numbers the 4G did you're delusional. Im sure they didnt expect the phone to tank, but they werent expecting a repeat of last year either.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
Oh so throw more money into a product knowing its gonna sell less than its predecessor? Just because Sprint let its employees upgraded earlier means nothing especially when you factor in that they changed the upgrade eligibility for everyone. Not to mention that was always Sprints policy on upgrades for its employees, it had nothing to do with the Evo! They had no idea the Evo was gonna be as huge as it was. They had high hopes, like they do for every phone. Funny they had David Blaine on board creating a buzz before the release of the 3D. Don't remember seeing any of that for the OG Evo. Of course Sprint/HTC thought they had another blockbuster on their hands. If not they would've given us another Shift or something comparable. Last year they gave us the first 4G phone, this year they gave us the first US 3D phone. They and a lot of other people thought it was gonna be huge. Take Otterbox for example. Last year we had to wait months for a case for the Evo. And that was only the Commuter. Why build a case for a phone that your not sure is gonna sell. This year? The Defender was ready at release day. Look at Seidio's website. They have a lot of products ready to go or will be ready within a couple weeks. Last year, we waited months, or after everybody realized how big a seller the Evo was gonna be, before we saw accessories. You can rationalize or tell yourself whatever you like but Sprint/HTC thought they had another killer on their hands. All signs point to it.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Just leave you where always trying to stir **** up... Go have fun with your slide out keyboard

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
MC Troll-A-Lot! I see you're back in your usual spot! Actually I'm having a ball with my Evo 4G & Epic. Flashing away, all day, everyday. And you are doing what? Trolling...oh & wishing & praying for a miracle before September. So troll away. I prefer flashing.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I prefer a "upgraded phone" vs a phone that's maxed out...

And who's call who fanboys and sh*t... The troll grand master award goes to you :)

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
Actually the 3D was maxed out at release & will continue to be barring a miracle or HTC throwing you a bone in 2 months. I prefer a phone that is wide open & let's me choose what I want to do to it within the capabilities of the OS & hardware. Not what Sprint/HTC says I can do with it. Funny how this sounds just like the arguments I have with iPhone/AT&T trolls.

Evo 3D =
[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
What will be your argument when the 3D is unlocked?
[HTC EVO 3D] hdnet1:
One of the issues hampering sales is the fact that the original EVO is selling for 99 dollars on contract. It's a easy sell and employees make the same commission on any phone sold.
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
Sprints upgrade policy changing had ZERO to do with them letting swac accounts upgrade early. SMH you're trying way too hard and you're still wrong.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
I have no arguement. Once it is unlocked, I will then go back to my nearest Sprint store & repurchase. That is if nothing else is on the market that is comparable. I've NEVER once in any post/thread said the Evo 3D wasn't a great phone. I purchased 2 of them. But neither am I a fanboy or have any dedication to any one carrier/manufacturer. I've owned Motorola, Palm, HTC, Samsung, Nokia. I've even owned a iPhone at one point and time. Though I am kinda partial to Sprint & have been for years but if a company offers a better deal for my needs than I will be gone. And I've also grown partial to phones that let me do with it what I want. The main reason for me returning my 2 3Ds. Now its a known fact that I wasn't as impressed with the 3D like I was with the 4G but never have I denied that the 3D is a great phone & probably the best phone on the US Market right now. Just not the phone for me while it is still locked down.

I'm trying to hard? Your trying to say that because they let employees and people on SWAC accounts upgrade without having to wait was because they knew the 3D wasn't gonna sell and they didn't do the same for the 4G because they knew it was? That's BS especially when Sprint employees always had to wait to upgrade to a new phone, regardless of whether it was the Evo 4G or not! Them changing it this year had nothing to do with the 3D. It applies to all phones & upgrades! YOU SIR ARE WRONG AGAIN!
[HTC EVO 3D] Smac7:
Is it just me out does it seem like they haven't done much marketing for this phone. For example, yesterday I got add in the mail for the evo 4g and the shift, no mention of the 3d whatsoever. Haven't seen commercials either
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
Yeah I haven't seen much either but we didn't start seeing or should I say I didn't start seeing a lot of advertising for the OG Evo until it was out for a couple months. And didn't see any for the Epic although the other carriers advertised for their Galaxy S brand. Now when they did start advertising for the 4G it was a all out blitz. It was everywhere!
[HTC EVO 3D] ronnienyc:
Thanks for the info OP.

Never mind the haters.

(you can't post anything on this site without a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork to argue with you...)
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
No problem. Like I said originally, none of this was definitive. He didn't quote me actual hard numbers but he had done some investigating of his own before I even thought to ask & in the district & stores he oversees, the 3D isn't doing as well as people thought & no where close to sales of the OG Evo at this same time last year. I don't pay too much attention to the idiots on this site. Some people on here. laugh & talk about how bad the Apple fanboys are but they are just as bad.
[HTC EVO 3D] EricSS619:
Just want to say that I upgraded in january to an evo shift and sprint have me the early upgrade for a evo 3d.... So what... 6 - 7 months?
[HTC EVO 3D] stanglifemike:
My guess is that contracts are playing a huge role in it. I would think that all Evo 4G owners would LIKE to upgrade to the 3D. A LOT of people used their upgrade or either signed a new contract to get the Evo 4G. Of course those like us who are phone hobbiest will grab the 3d at any cost, but many casual users will wait for their upgrade. I left Verizon and paid to get out of my contract when the Evo was released. I am only at the 1 year mark so not elgible for an upgrade and just paid retail for the phone. Not many casual users are going to shell out almost $600 for a phone.....

I am use to paying retail for phones as I normally switch about twice a year. Actually, the Evo 4G is the only phone that I used for an entire year since 2006 :D
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
I dont get why people dont just face the obvious in that peoples desire for this phone is just nothing like it was for the 4G.
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
I think there are a lot of factors at play, contracts being one of them. When the EVO was released it was the only phone of its kind in sight and prior to it the best thing was the Hero which did not sell nearly as many units as the EVO leaving more people with upgrade eligibility when the EVO was released. One year later with the release of the E3D, many people are still in contract from the purchase of the EVO, but, in addition there are comparable phones coming down the line- namely the SGS2, Photon, and even rumors of the next generation Nexus hitting Sprint before the end of the year. There are more reasons to wait this year than there were last year.

In addition, we cannot determine the successful sales of this phone based on the availability in store. The EVO was underproduced from the beginning, period. This is why they were so hard to get a hold of when compared to the E3D. Having learned their lesson from last year, HTC increased their production of the E3D and had more units ready to ship on launch day. In addition, more and more people are purchasing their phones from Best Buy Mobile, Radio Shack, and other 3rd party stores that have better incentives than Sprint stores. The Best Buy near me received "several dozen" on the day of release and sold out by the end of the day.

So, bottom line is we can speculate all we want but we can't make any accurate and well founded claims until we see actual numbers. One employess take on the matter is not a significant enough sample to come to the conclusions posted in the OP.
[HTC EVO 3D] ydoucare:
The marketing/advertising campaign for the Evo 3D is practically nothing compared to what they did with the Evo 4G. It's no surprise that the sales are nowhere near as good. Hell, they're STILL trying to sell Evo 4G's like it just came out.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
You are correct in some of your points but some other things to point. Think about all of Sprint's hits the past few years. After the Instinct came out, by this time, Sprint was letting everybody know how it broke their sales records, then the Prè broke the Instinct's records, then the Evo 4G & how it broke all of their records combined. Been almost 3 weeks & haven't heard a peep. The Best Buy, Radio Shack point doesn't hold water because they were completely sold out for months after the release of the 4G & this year Sprint offers the same incentives. Instant rebate, $150 buyback for the OG Evo. Now maybe HTC's manufacturing problems with the Evo 4G helped some with the stores being sold out but it didnt stop the demand. If there wasn't a demand then when they did get phones in they would have just sat on the shelves, like they are doing in the stores that my friend manages. But like we both agree, this is all speculation at this point but the general consensus is this isn't gonna be anywhere as huge as the Evo 4G. I would be willing to go out on a limb & say that it won't sell as much as the Epic 4G and a lot of it's sales were a direct result of the lack of availability of the Evo 4G & sales people telling customers that it is was basically the Evo just with a keyboard.
[Verizon Droid Incredible 2] PearlMikeJam:
I have downloaded a couple of the skins made by sopL87 for the Desire HD. The skins do not apply right, mostly on the widgets. Has anyone else found a good source for home screen skins?
[Verizon Droid Incredible 2] andybones:
you need to take a look at what ROM you are running of SENSE

not android. the update we are getting to GB updates us from SENSE 2.0 to 2.1 and ANDROID 2.2 to to 2.3.3 I think. SO

there are two seperate sets of skins

skins for SENSE 2.0 - stams thread for 2.0 - link

and skins for SENSE 2.1 - stams threas for 2.1 - link

usually if you have a questions it's been answered by someone else before. Try using the search before making a thread that a MOD is just going to need to delete later. Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] sesame.qian:
i just click "System Update", what i got? Yeah, the OTA 4.5.47 is published.:D

but i flashed the HKT2W 2.3.4, so i can't directly install it.:(
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Forum police, commence fire

We've obtained that OTA, and this is pretty old news.
[Atrix 4G General] Ae3Boomer:
i think even the 4.5.91 is released dude
[Atrix 4G General] samcripp:
this is known bug, please mod close thread!
[Atrix 4G General] Bigred007:
Officially and over the air? When I check for system updates, it says that my system is up to date.
[Atrix 4G General] Paschalis:
are you full stock?

If you are, that means they didnt puplished it yet..
[Atrix 4G General] pitmansm:
i flashed back to 1.5 and updated using motorolas update software to 1.8.3 and still software is up to date for me no update avail. is there any other options for me to get gingerbread without risking bricking?
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Nope. You'll only hard brick if you use the OTA they pulled from the servers. If you use kens gb rom you can downgrade without worries.

Forgot to mention the hard brick only happens when you try and use an older SBF
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
No it's not!
[Atrix 4G General] pitmansm:
Oh I got ya. So now that I am on stock un rooted 1.8 I can just hit update and get gingerbread? I have een doing it with no joy on gingerbread.
[Atrix 4G General] MrCooper2012:
No.

The update is not available OTA yet.
[Atrix 4G General] pitmansm:
problem solved lol..
[General Questions and Answers] familiozo:
Hi All,i have turn of power in tablet on flashing procedure,and mi tablet ly 706 black screen-any idea to restore..sorry for my bad english..
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boglwe:
I would like to know if anyone has tried any type of gaming with your windows 7 machine via remote desktop on home network?

I was thinking about something like bauldurs gate, Diablo, or heck....even WoW possibly.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sidprak:
I don't think you'll get too good of a result with that; especially over Wi-Fi. Networks speeds just aren't fast enough to transfer >30 fps (which you need for a smooth gaming experience :) ). They might just be playable if you turn the resolution way down but then you're going to lose a heck of a lot of quality.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
Not what you might consider gaming, but I've played around with Flight Sim X across the network using Splashtop, and it was pretty flyable. (Well, apart from the fact I don't have a bluetooth joystick, and don't know that Splashtop would support it even if I did.)
[General Questions and Answers] ktant1:
I cannot get my android tablet ( Viewsonic G) to connect to my Microsoft router. When trying to connect to the Microsoft router the tablet reports "connecting", "obtaining IP address from MSHOME", "disconnecting" and it starts all over again.