yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
it got to the point that said acquiring root shell and force closed. and permanant root and temporary
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Visionikz03:
Here u said u went thru "every process" trying to re-root, was z4 the only one u tried? Did u try unrevoked again?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Thats the thing i have no recovery to apply a rom
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Yes sir, and it said it failed becasue my software was too new
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
Dude. I hate to be the nay-sayer, but you were probably never s-on. I hope you were, but its not likely.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Visionikz03:
yeah but how did he unlock nand on bootloader 2.16? its the same one the 3ds and sensation have that they can't crack? And what about the 2.16 hboot caulkin has posted in his thread about radios, pri etc? It it extracted straight from the OTA or is it a version that isn't signed with HTC's private keys?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
I hope so too. I ran the s-on tool did unrevoked to unroot and so on

Baseband 2.15.00.05.02

Kernal- 2.6.35.10 gc0a661b

htc-kernal@and18-2 #1

Tue Jun 14 23:58:32 CST 2011

Build: 4.24.651.1 CL61076 release keys

Software number:4.24.651.1

PRI: 2.15_003

PRL: 60679
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Straight from OTA using wifi. posted software info
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
when you tried the rosie mod what did you do exactly?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
i applied the apk in es file explorer but it did nothign, just freeze my phoen up :/
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
where did you get the .apk from?

can you provide that link?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
No offense, but after un-rooting and running s-on tool, did you ever check that you were s-on?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1148978

here ya go
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
You know whats funny? I did the same thing. I unrooted using revoked, flashed s-on several times because it wouldn't take. Then uploaded the same zip as him, went back to stock, and OTA'd the new GB update. It gave me 4.22 first, then 4.24. Let me check real quick, but I think I am still s-off.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Non taken and yes i said that early that i checked to make sure it was on. Then i downloaded the GB update and so forth.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
I never got s-on, always s-off. But I tried to put SU on, and it didn't work.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
you would still need to root, s-off doesnt mean root.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
That's what I figured. So being s-off really has no meaning without SU access.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
yea, s-off means you can flash amon or cwm and flash any rom you want.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
Will it allow you to do a nandroid through recovery still?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
absolutely. you are s-off
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
OK, sorry for all the questions, so basically in this state, I can flash other roms, as long as I put amon ra on my card, and rename it Pwhatever, and flash away. All the while keeping a nandroid of stock rom still? The only privilege I won't have will be running apps that require root access?

And putting the amonra zip on my SD card won't affect the stock rom (ie erase it)?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
Lol. Once you flash a rooted rom you will have full root access
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
Holy **** balls.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
As soon as u flash a custom rom Ull be able to run apps that requite root cause all the custom roms have busy box and superuser included
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
So then how do you go with the process of installing amon ra recovery becuase when i press power volume down i have no clue where to go.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28511905/PC36IMG.zip

download it from the link above make sure it is named PC36IMG.zip put it on the root of your sdcard and boot into the bootloader and it should find the update on its own.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nick N:
Ok so at this point we have 2 people who previously had s-off running custom roms become s-on after the gb ota update then s-off again?

My confidence level for the "never rooted" remains low... :-(
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
I cant get the s-off to take hold. I did the z4permaroot and the rosie mod then i turned my phone off and im still s-on. I wish it was this simple.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Thanks :3 now ill download the rooted stock 4.24 and see what happen!!!!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
so do you now have Amon_RA recovery?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
I never had s-on, even after flashing the tool, and accepting the OTA. I guess it could be possible it's a glitch, and is truly s-on, but still says s-off
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Yes i dooo :D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
if it is s-off then try the file i posted up above and see if you can flash Amon_RA.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] filmaker:
Just wondering what is your hboot version?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
I don't have a 4G anymore and I never took the GB OTA when I did, but if this guy is saying he flashed the s-on tool and took the update, he should be SOL right? So he had to have done something that worked right?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
its hboot 2.16 the latest one
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
Will it overwrite my stock rom or will it still be there. God, I'm sorry, I'm really basic at this stuff
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
no it has nothing to do with the rom, the recovery is what allows you to flash custom roms and make nand backups.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
Ok, here goes.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
I have flashed roooted stock 4.24.651.1 and its booting up now. I will post pictures and video if i can how my software information when i boot into boot loader, and when the it installed the rom :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
It worked.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjlawson09:
this is just speculation, but could htc be sending out unlocked bootloaders to certain customers, devices, or areas earlier than announced to "test"?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
what worked?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yay 4 Juggs:
i was thinking the same thing myself...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
I was able to succesfully flash 4.24.651.1 odexed in amon ra recovery
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
Adding amonra. Did a nan of stock, will try loading.... let's see. Synergy. Stand by
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Succesfully applied salvaged modd odexed v1.3 onto my phone. Its good to be rooted again.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
Awesome glad it worked.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
So, waht to make of all this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
Never had s-on...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hwpmovement:
I looks like if you were previously rooted, that if you unroot etc., then do as described by the OP, you can get S-OFF, flash a recovery etc. I tried on my newer evo (never rooted 2.3.3) and none of this worked, so far. So, perhaps for people who have never been rooted, this is not going to work.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
Thats what I'm betting on. BUT what I'm tripping on is that they say they flash the s-on tool and took the OTA, the OTA alone doesn't allow for all this.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LCL22:
Q? how did you install rosie?

via ADB?

somethings going on here, i think ill try and refer this to the 3d forums where the devs are working perhaps it may shed some light into a hole perhaps?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
I have applied the 4 photos will try to upload the videos now.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
thiers already a thread there.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
That is what i did becasue when i tried to apply the ruu to go back to stock froyo for the evo it wouldnt let me BECAUSE it was s-off, i couldnt do nothing until it was s-on.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
If any of you want to know more just pm me, logging off for the night. ill get back to you guys tomorrow.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LCL22:
you mean the thread that specifies TWO installing methods?

yeah...thats what i want to know, smartass
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yay 4 Juggs:
simmer down with the name calling we're all here to help...just sayin
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
I can't tell you how it happened. All I can say is I tried flashing s-on tool several times (the instructions said it may take a couple times to take), and it still said s-off. I figured I would still try, and everything proceeded as normal. It wasn't till today that I saw I could flash a custom rom and gain root access again.

I will try and answer any q's you guys have. I am fairly basic when it comes to this.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MizzouBrent:
So has anybody tried this and gotten it to work on a phone that has never been rooted?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
Not sure if that would work, as never rooted phones shouldn't be s-off.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LCL22:
as am i, but i wasnt the one that had the wrong assumption ...in any case, im just wondering if the install process for the rosie did something aferwards , he did have S-on before hand tis why he ran tommy on the first place , he had S off afterwards but he only checked AFTER trying to run tommy mod and having it crash...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yay 4 Juggs:
but flashing the ota puts you in that very state...so that kinda doesnt make sense
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LCL22:
the point is he should have been S on after taking the ota in any case, i believe he cant even isntall the official ota with S off but i may be mistaken...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
It didnt work for me either and i used to be unrevoked.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MizzouBrent:
exactly. Going s-on and then taking the OTA is the same as having a new phone with 2.3.3 that has never been rooted....right?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommytomatoe:
Interesting. I gots the root mod. lol just kidding.

I wonder what could have caused this sudden s-on to s-off change? I know it's not my mod. There is nothing in it that could do that. Actually, there is less junk in my Rosie than the stock Rosie, but again, that shouldn't do anything.

Next person who does this, please check your s-on status and confirm it prior to finding a secret root method. :-)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borrowedchief:
I'm almost positive I did it. Remember, I'm very novice at this, and will probably remain so forever. I just remember not being able to make it say s-off, and said screw it and proceeded.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yay 4 Juggs:
that is why i am thinking the dl of the ota has the bootloader unlocked...cant flash over otherwise...hell cant even load a custom recovery without s-off
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommytomatoe:
No. You can OTA with S-off just fine, so long as you do not have a custom recovery.

On the day I unrooted I unrooted first while S-off, took the OTA, went to hboot 2.16 and was still s-off. Went ahead and rerooted by flashing custom Amon_RA and then went back to custom rom. Then flashed s-on tool and am now completely unrooted with s-on.

OTA does not depend on your security status, but instead on your recovery. It needs to be sprint's stock recovery recovery.img (found in any stock ruu).

The ota gives you a new hboot, yes, but it does not lock a previously unlocked bootloader. S-off remains s-off.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
i gave you your one and only "thanks" for this!! :D

but i was refering to this thread the one the OP here started.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1168004
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
1. rooted with unrevoked

2. unrooted with unrevoked

3. s-on tool

4. flashed the 2.2 RUU through the bootloader

5. then accepted the 2.3 OTA

6. z4root.apk

7. Rosiemod.apk

8. now your S-Off

Am I missing something Scoot?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommytomatoe:
I believe that would have been the correct method...but I am doubtful that step # 3 worked correctly.

I have also tried z4root and previous root attempts all while using my Rosie mod. No beans.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
so far thats what I've read.Unless he just never noticed that it was still s-off, I'm not doubting you scoot, its just sometimes things get overlooked. But if you were S-on after the OTA then theres something here.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
I logged back in to clarify, yes i did do the s-on tool because i tried to download the ruu onto my phone and it would not let me! downloaded it 3 times for good luck and it didnt work until AFTER MAY I REPEAT after i turned it back ON, then i ran system update, downloaded, and so forth.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
I was just trying to piece this thread together cause im getting lost looking at all these process that are floating around. Yea I also believe that there was a glitch with the s-on tool.Your rosie mod isnt complex enough to do anything unless the root exploit is located in sense and z4 root opened it up and some how it flipped something. its unlikely, but he said that he was s-on after the s-on tool was used.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
So is it possible to have taken the GB OTA and remain rooted and S-off?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommytomatoe:
Unrooted, but s-off. :-)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Khilbron:
You won't be rooted after taking it, you will just be s-off which will allow you to flash a custom recovery then flash a custom Rom. However if you are currently rooted there is no point to this since you can flash a rooted version of the ota.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
steal, no offense, but go back and read tommytomatoes posts...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steal25:
I know but what I was trying to get at is if you can remain S-off after the OTA and can flash a custom recovery, then flash a rooted ROM, then why are people who took the OTA SOL? just wondering.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
What I want to do is open up the z4root.apk and see what it is doing to your phone to give root.

Edit: thats what im going to do..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MILH0U5E:
I had my EVO from day one, so the root method was Toast's original....

I handed my rooted, stock running EVO to my wife when I got the NS4G... while she was away visiting, the OTA came and she accepted it (yeah, I know)...

After reading this thread, I just checked, and it's S-On now... so there's nothing I can do correct? Or should I try this method?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yay 4 Juggs:
try it and report your findings...cant hurt...unless you drop the evo on your pinky toe...that smarts!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
I dunno ive seen people say that they were rooted when they accepted the OTA and become s-on and ive seen some say they were s-off after the OTA.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bubby323:
I'm still on 4.22.651.2, got the Evo today for my line, and it states there are no updates available, HTC or Android. Isn't the one in question a newer one here?

Regardless, I have a few ideas as to how the OP's claim may not be so far fetched, let me grab my Evo off the charger and see if I can't recreate my theory here..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
as far as I know it is. let us know what you find.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] someonenewhere:
My phone is 100% 2.3.3 GB S-ON and UNROOTED ...

If you can give me the steps and the links of the files I need, I am willing to give it a shot to see if this is true...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Hey guys, just a thought here.

This is based on the previously mentioned idea in this thread that HTC may be testing unlocked bootloaders. (far fetched imo, but who knows)

I have a brand new unrooted, 2.16, 0004 hw evo and my thought was this...

RUU to the original OTA GB release (4.22) and then take the OTA update (4.24)...might it be possible that I could get S-off if this theory holds any weight?

Granted I haven't seen a 4.22 RUU, only 4.24, but I'm just saying if it's out there, do you think this would be worth giving a shot?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MizzouBrent:
It couldn't hurt to try right? Worst case scenario is that it just doesn't work? Obviouslyim not taking ant responsibility for anything that happens to your phone :-)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nick N:
So last night I had to try unrevoked for myself and of course it did not work. Has it been confirmed that you cannot downgrade to 3.70, 4.22, or even successfully flash 4.24 while s-on? When I had a Moment the only thing you had to do was flash the phone with the SW updater program that had the custom recovery in it. Is that out of the question here? Does s-on basically mean you cannot flash anything? If that is the case then maybe the Sprint or Sprint contracted refurbishers (surely they are not shipping them back to HTC) are simply making repairs if needed and doing a factory reset, which would leave s-off if it were already s-off.

One last thing, if HTC were to start sending out unlocked bootloader updates, why would they still keep the same version number?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trim81:
Dudes.

The op was never s-on

No need to get wet over this.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeyinid:
Word. Been tryin to tell em...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Like i said earlier:

"That is what i did becasue when i tried to apply the ruu to go back to stock froyo for the evo it wouldnt let me BECAUSE it was s-off, i couldnt do nothing until it was s-on."
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Thats when i had to apply the S-ON tool befor i could go any further.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trim81:
Are you kidding me?

I've RUUd MANY times with s-off

As a matter of fact, you MUST be s-off in order to down/upgrade from different ruu versions

You cannot be s-on and run a different model ruu
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Nopperz, it kept giving me an error whenever i tried.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reaper36:
Because what you are describing is the Holy Grail around here many won't believe it until it can be duplicated. Call me Agent Mulder. I want to believe. Don't really know what happened but you're being very helpful with the information.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Thanks and your welcome. Im just as excited about HTC possibly sending out updates with the bootloader unlocked
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trim81:
Bro, trust me.

You CAN ruu with s-off

I am in the cell industry and have access to 1000s of evos. (Probably have over 80 in stock right at the location im at now) I've rooted and flash so many times its second nature to me.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMatza:
I had to unroot/S-On my Evo for my HTC warranty repair. I had previously used Unrevoked Forever, and therefore had to go through a similar process.

In using the S-ON too, I found that it would fail for any ROM that had installed a "newer" bootloader. I know this because when I tried to run it in AmonRA, it gave me a subtle "unsupported bootloader" error. I can vouch that this error could be easily overlooked by someone stepping through the process. I downgraded to stock Froyo, and was able to run the S-ON tool with no problem.

I'm gonna go with the general concensus that the "Step 3" above just plain didn't succeed. I must've shaved with Occam's razor this morning.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
OK? I dont care if you have access to 1000's of evos, i had a problem with mine, i posted exactly what i did, i dont care, im now rooted after running gingerbread and thought maybe helping to get other people running it rooted becasue flashing nd rooting is alot of fun.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
I know it did work because before i went to run the ruu i went back to check becasue i didnt want to waste my timeeee
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trim81:
You're disputing the fact that you must be s-on to run a ruu.

And I'm telling you its not true, yet you still dispute with "noperzz"

Bottom line: you can run a ruu with s-off
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Alright and im not saying your wrong or right, i had a problem with my phone trying to do it, simple as that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trim81:
Fair enough.

One more rooted evo in the wild is much better than having it locked.

You got lucky, but I am confident to believe you missed the s-on tool, and you were always s-off.

In the end, you got you're root. Be sure you don't put any s-on tool this point forward and keep the root.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tgruendler:
What I don't understand is 5 days ago you were rooted and flashing roms? Why did you want to unroot in the first place?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reaper36:
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. For whatever reason he got an error. So he ran s-on tool multiple times. He verified multiple times that it became s-on. Sorry, I am not very experienced at this, but this sounds to me like he did what he said, checking and re-checking every step of the way. Yeah mistakes could have been made but he sounds like he was very aware of what was happening most of the time. Just my 2 cents.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Because i just wanted to try the stock update from sprint, i really liked it but got bored of it seeing as i couldnt do any of the fun modding, that was when i got the best battery life out of anything, but i liked stock gingerbread (Salvaged mod 1.3) alot better :3
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scoot16:
Yes, i wont be touching the stock rom until the root for gb is officially found. or when sprint sends unlocked bootloaders via update. :p
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommytomatoe:
Oh the havoc!! Hehe.

@Nick N. You cannot downgrade from a higher version (4.24 -> 3.70 for example) while s on. You will get the message current version is newer.

For the peeps on 4.24 even if there is a ruu released for 4.22, the same rule applies. You will not be able to downgrade while s on.

And yes you can flash ruu while s off. On or off has nothing to do with your ability to flash image to the phone except for in the situation I described above about downgrading. And yes Mr scoot had issues, but while that is unfortunate it is untrue you have to be s on to flash a ruu.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MizzouBrent:
So how did he get s-on to s-off after doing the stock 2.3.3 upgrade?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] complex88:
Noone knows.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] irock1985:
After browsing this thread I have a theory, probably wrong but hey i'm just average Irock over here... What I was thinking was that maybe the discrepancies lie in the version of Unr3voked he initially used to root. There were quite a few versions along the way. Maybe an answer can be found there, or not, but an idea nonetheless....

Sent From My 3VO! - We Need S-Off!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fitz420:
Wait a second dude. When did u start liking salvagemod. Weren't u the Guy who told the devs that their rom "sucks" and doesn't work right. Just curious.