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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] mughalgxt:
that wasn't meant to be insulting, was trying to make a point. i.e why bother to flatter about iOS pros on an android thread. Have tried ipad which is obvious with points i made. The crappy million+ appstore puddle on ipad, the O.S compatibility issues, alas all OSes are made on ground and prone to error but blindly boasting around with useless posts is unacceptable. Cooks abandoned android roms as they get outdated and headed to ios?!? thats a revelation..... most stick around in different device forums! Whats worth developing in iOS than repeated apps. It took me long to find a decent pdf reader in iPAD 2 my main reason for buying it, but nothing compares to repligo's anti-aliasing rendering of scanned text images which isn't available for iOS.

Quoted by OP "10.1 doesn't offer more connectivity".:eek:

Good luck, for heading to right direction! meet you someday back here...:(;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] nakedninja42:
Tried the Ipad, gave it to a 5 year old kid because its just a toy. Extremely happy with my 10.1
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Fyahstarter:
So as to be as impartial, let me summarize what I think the posters here are saying. For all intensive purpose, Android/HC is not the layman's OS...at least not yet. It's still young and finding it's way.For the general consumer, Apple/iPad offers a sound product that by and large performs to it's expectations, has a huge ecosystem and carries an 'it' factor and probably most favorable to it's purchasers, it's easy to use.

Android on the other hand is geared towards a uniquely different kind of user. The Android user doesn't want to be bound to any one thing. The 'tinker' factor is really what floats his boat. Although the OS might still have it's fair share of quirks, the possibility/ability to make the device what he wants it to be is the payoff. I think Android, for various reasons will continue to be a work in process...at least for the next year or so.

I highly rate the iPad, but as I ascribe more to the latter, I'm very happy 'tinkering' with my GT10.1
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] krips2003:
Infraction its 16:10 aspect ratio.:-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] krips2003:
Thank you. All the best with your iPad.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] giantcrazy:
This is why you need people who are averse/immune to marketing to fairly evaluate products. Namely, my kids.

We're a Nook Color household, so when grandma gave them money to buy another tablet for our vacation this year, they wanted a bigger screen. Wanting to be fair, despite my disdain for Apple and their policies, I took them to an Apple store to see the iPad2.

Didn't take both astute under-10 year old customers more than a minute to notice how poor multitasking was or the lack of on-screen widgets. A quick visit to one of their favorite educational sites was rendered pointless because of the lack of Flash. Finally, the older one piped up and said 'no offense Dad, but the only thing better here is the bigger screen'.

Over to Best Buy and to the Android tabs - narrowed it down to the Galaxy and the Transformer. Would really have liked to have kept it to the Transformer's price range, but the build quality and weight was much better on the Galaxy, and with some reports of early build flaws in the Transformer we figured it was worth the extra $100 to play it safe.

We're expecting our new addition to the fleet on Friday.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] garyd9:
If you don't "play safe", do you end up with a WebOS device? ;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] xManMythLegend:
Ill say it again 4:3 is not a better format no matter how you slice it.

TVs,PC monitors ,phones, including Mac laptops and desktops are all widescreen and for good reason.

If you think a tablet is better suited going backwards than maybe you think rollerball mice ,crts, RCA cables are better as well.

Apple had to stick to dated 4:3 because if potential app development/ compatibility issues.

Don't pass off horrible opinion as fact.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] garyd9:
The "good reason" was (for all but theater TV's) that it's cheaper. A "21 inch" 16:9 monitor has less surface area than a 21 inch 4:3 - and it allows manufactures to reuse the same assembly processes that are used for televisions.

I'm happy with the 16:10 format on my tab, but I won't claim it to be "better" for anything I use it for other than watching movies.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] xManMythLegend:
No.

It allows for content to be viewed more naturally and you display and take in more info than 4:3.

Video and game content is superior in ws. Cost is why manufacturers switched so easily. The more interactive something is the more natural a widescreen display is for the eyes/hands.

Advantages of 4:3 in tablet form relate to screen size not ratio.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] falcons2:
I remember the days when I thought the idevices were amazing but then I played with android and never looked back
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] IDroidThere4Iam:
My parents have an iPad2. Thought it would be easier for them to figure out. Turns out its not that intuitive.

Try to send an email with an attachment using the Apple email app.....good luck. You can't.

Oh and to start using it you HAVE to sync it to a computer. You can't just fire it up and enter account info.

This threw my parents for a loop.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SolusCado:
Don't worry - all the Apply fanboys will agree when Apple goes 16:9. Remember how you didn't need copy/paste, or multi-tasking of any sort?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] xManMythLegend:
You are correct.;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SolusCado:
Oh, and let's not forget the low resolution of the first three generations of iPhone.

Frankly, I understand the market position of Apple, and I get that they are in fact the best devices for a lot of the people out there. I just don't like the attitude and "general consensus" that Apple sets the standard. They never have, and probably never will. Microsoft introduced Tablets 10 years ago. Smartphones with apps? 12 years ago. Touchscreens? Same thing. Apple is popular simply because they are popular. I'd be happy if all the fanboys would just ACKNOWLEDGE that, instead of trying to pretend that their perpetually 1 generation behind the curve devices are somehow superior to the competition. I mean, come on - 4:3 is better than 16:9? Since when? Because it more closely matches the dimensions of a paperback? If that's the bar, then why use a tablet at all? Just get a paperback. OR... try any one of the 7" Android tablets, that FAR more closely resemble the dimensions of a book. I could go on and on, but I think everyone here gets the point.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] garyd9:
I disagree. For me, at least, I find the "wide" screens to be annoying. Of course, I spend most of my life staring at textual content, and most lines of text are only as "wide" as a page (or a line of code.) Having a greater vertical range allows me to see more more lines of text at a time. Each time the standard video display "flattens", I lose more lines of text and gain more useless space on the left or right side of my text.

The other primary use of my computer displays are for photo editing, and very few photo's are cropped anywhere near 16:9. 3:2 and 4:5 ratios are much more common, and "fit" better on a 4:3 screen ratio.

I will concede that "first person" video games and movies are more natural on a wider screen as it more closely resembles our natural vision. So, I guess it comes down to what a person is using the display for.

I've dragged this thread far enough off topic, so I'll shut up. ;)

Oh - and given the choice between the SGT10.1, an IPad2 and the Asus transformer:

I returned a transformer as it was shocking me when it was plugged into the charger and and it was heavy and unwieldy for single-hand use.

I decided not to get an IPad2, as I wanted a platform I could tinker with - and the iPad is much too closed of a device for that. (Though I have written a couple odd programs in XCode for the iphone, I never could get them on my device as I won't pay $100 to apple for the certificate needed without jailbreaking.)

The SGT isn't perfect, but it seems the best choice for me. It's not the most popular, doesn't have the most (or best) apps, and has a few bugs, but nothing too terrible.

To each their own.

Take care

Gary
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] xManMythLegend:
I see your point on coding.

However picture editing is much better on widescreen. It allows me to have tools on the side and drastically reduces need for second monitor use.

SGT nowhere near perfect. But its best HW available now imo. Having the ipad2 side by side comparisons I just couldnt look past the shortcomings of the OS. Only glaring thing that was "better" was the seemingly 60fps across the UI. Frame rate drops are an absolute killer on Android. The instant someone sees it they think lag/slow/inferior. Android UI team is seemingly made up of 'ugly' lovers.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] PookiePrancer:
One of the things I don't like is how quickly some airlines are jumping into the aviation-charts-on-ipad craze. Why? 4:3 aspect ratio! When you try to put an entire terminal chart on the iPad, almost a third of the screen is nothing but a black strip, and the chart is shrunk to the point it's almost unreadable...all due to that aspect ratio. On the other hand, you can fit the entire page PERFECTLY on a Tab or Transformer; the screens and the chart are sized almost exactly the same!

Jeppesen, publisher of these charts, has said they're working on an Android app, but rather than wait patiently, several major carriers are jumping on the iFad and compromising readability.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] pwhooftman:
Alright, i'll put in my 2cts also.

My wife owns an iPad 1, i have owned a Archos 10.1 Internet Tablet and do now own a Galaxy Tab 10.1.

The iPad 1 was still superior to the Archos IMHO; better viewing angles, better (consistent) speed, no 'sleep of death' issues.

The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is at least on par, and much better in my opinion than the iPad1. I can't compare to the iPad 2.

But still, my Galaxy Tab drained it's battery the first night to 0% for no appearant reason. Hasn't done it since, but still. And i read about the "black screen of sleep" WTF?

So here you are, the average consumer at Best Buy.

To the left are 3 flavours of iPad. All work well, if there is an app, it's there for the iPad, and people will never laugh at you. It's the safe choice. It won't go out of fashion in 6 months time.

To the right, there are a zillion Android Tablets. Some better, some comparable, and a whole bunch worse than the iPad. Ranging from $99 chinese knock-offs to $600 top of the line Samsungs.

Which does the average consumer prefer .... (the clock is ticking).

This isn't about specs & features, it's 90% about the Brand & the Masses. Even if Android gains the same market share as Apple/iOS, it's still 1 Apple against a truck load of fruit. I would call that a standard.

A bit of History:

In 1979, Philips launched the superior VideoRecorder format Video 2000. It blew Betamax away in terms of recording time, quality & bulkiness of the cassettes. Philips' Video 2000 format lost big time because Betamax gained much more marketshare in the pre-recorded tapes market. Sounds familiar does it?

Was signed, an android lover.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] krips2003:
Guys n gals, the OP has already abandoned this ship, then why are we still trying to prove what's great and what's not great about Honeycomb 3.1 tablet per se. Also, we'll never be able to achieve perfection in any thing no matter what's your thoughts are on this. What I have today is already obsolete in the real world, and by the time I'll get hold of the upcoming tablet, it'll then be obsolete as well. Android 1.6 was not that great, but eventually it came a long way, and look where it stands in the smartphone market share. Honeycomb 3.1 has improved over 3.0 and I'm sure in the upcoming versions, it'll improve over it's predecessor and this cycle will continue.

So lets enjoy what we have at this moment and forget about how the future tablets will be a kick-ass tablet. Also, if you don't plan buying tablets right now, good for you. If you do, good for you too. ;):D:)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ericc191:
Anyone who says the iPad sucks zomg ANDROID FTW or anything similar is ignorant. Plain and simple. The iDevices are well built and good at the simple and straight forward things they do. This reminds me of WP7. I was really psyched about it because I used WM for so long. Their UIs are beautiful and intuitive. Unfortunately, they're also very boring.

With that said, I see no problem in saying screw Apple and their smug, greedy attitudes towards us. That's why I choose not to buy them. They don't deserve my money so they can turn around and try to ban HTC from our side of the world. Pathetic.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] cekle:
There's a lot of android fanboys jerking each other off in this thread.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SolusCado:
Wouldn't a 16:9 display in portrait mode give you MORE lines of text?

I think the idea here is that with a widescreen display, you can have your photo fullscreen, while loading controls and data for interacting with said photo to the side - as opposed to only having room for the photo, or your controls/data - but not both.

Ouch! Makes me glad I got the GT10.1 instead of the Transformer!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SolusCado:
While I agree with your general sentiment, you specific choice of adjectives belies a bias to which I would object. I wouldn't say that Android/HC itself isn't a "layman's OS" just because its real advantage is to those who are not laymen. For the layman, I would argue that neither OS is particularly better than the other. But that isn't the only point of discussion, which brings me to your next statement...

Apple/iPad is no more sound than, say Android/GT10.1 for the general consumer. Both are going to give the average user roughly the same experience. Apple does indeed carry an "it" factor - but I wouldn't consider that to be a good thing. Your choice of language indicates that you do. In any case, I can chalk that one up to personal preference without judgement. Your other keyword, "ecosystem", refers to something that I disagree with you on. The Apple ecosystem isn't LARGER than the Android ecosystem; it's different. The Apple ecosystem does indeed cater to consumers - primarily from a hardware standpoint. The gazillion speaker docks and accessories give "the layman" far more choice than the Android ecosystem. On the other hand, the Android ecosystem caters to the "advanced user" - primarily from a software standpoint. It is simply more customizable - I shouldn't need to rehash all the details; I think we are all in agreement.

Finally - an addition on my part: The very thing that has always made the PC (and now Android) environment preferably to Apple for the "tinkerers" is also the one thing that limits it from ever having what makes Apple so appealing to its fanbase. The sheer magnitude of hardware running Android (or PCs) gives a consumer far more choice in what device they are going to use, but in doing so the platforms that must support this diversity are going to be more prone to error on any single device. Apple's software isn't written better than PC or Android SW; it's just simpler software. The hardware that runs it is highly predictable. This means consumers get relatively little choice, but they know exactly what they are getting. This is a good thing for some, and a bad thing for others - namely, me. :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SolusCado:
Forums serve the purpose of communication and education that goes beyond just the OP. As long as there is debate on the subject, there is reason to participate in the forum. Who cares if the OP is still reading them? Other people who see the OP Title will still have a wealth of information to read.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] pokey9000:
"screen" can split a terminal into multiple panes (among other awesomeness). Works great with the latest Connectbot. I can't see any other way you'd use any tablet for coding at this point in time other than through a remote connection elsewhere.

Both reasons I got rid of my TF, along with other fit/finish quality issues and a lack of critical accessories outside of the dock. If your cable or charger breaks, they make you send in the whole thing, and if you lose either you're SOL.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] psijac:
Is that mathematically possible? I always figured (a*a) + (b*b) = (c*c) and every triangle has 180 degrees
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SolusCado:
That just defines the relationship between the three lines, not the resultant surface area. However, ironically ... it is actually the 4:3 screen that contains more real estate. At 4:3, a 21" (c) monitor would have a height of 12.6" (a) and a width of 16.8" (b). The surface area is (a*b)/2 ... 105.84 square inches. On the other hand, a 21" (c) screen in a 16:9 ratio would have a height of 10.3" (a) and a width of 18.3" (b). The surface area of that would be (again, (a*b)/2) approximately 94.3".

Oh, and incidentally, the fact that you never hear Apple Fanboys talk about this spec just goes to show where their motivations lie in their purchase. They could legitimately say they want a larger screen, but they don't because they don't even realize they HAVE a larger screen... because the capabilities of their device isn't what they care about.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] di11igaf:
While i do agree with your post, I do believe some users( even general users-my wife being one of them) can try the I pad and actually say it sucks. I'm sure you were more talking about fan boys and whatnot, but wth that said heres my wife experience with the ipad2. I picked one up for her after getting myself a thrive. All she really wants to use it for is browsing the web, some movies and whatnot, and music. (Probably what 99% of average tablet users do)

First she realized she could view more stuff on her phone on the web(flash on the evo 3d). No flash on a device that will probably spend 90% of its time doing.

Then she noticed the bars on YouTube videos and movie's (no widescreen)

Then realized she had no choice but to manage her music with iTunes. She wanted a way to directly move music from the tablet to her phone. Its a huge pain in the ass to move music around multiple devices with any apple products, mainly iPod/phone/pad.

It didn't take her long at all to say I want what you have, now she has a galaxy tab 10.1 and loves it.

Pretty much the things most people are gonna do on the Ipad it fails at

Her exact words (with no influence from me) were 'this is just a big iPod.

I was so proud of her. Lol.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] bootny:
I think tablets are still in the infancy stage and comparisons are stupid cuz its like me telling you that I think Puerto rican women are better than Mexican and spainard women cuz they are the prettier latino because they tend to be mixed..just an example...the tablets will only get better as will phones...btw checkout the phone that comes w the Aston Martin... iPhone can't even compete with it...its bananas!

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] eugene22n:
i would break it down like this:

if you DON'T care about flash at all then get the iPad 2 for sure. Just for the apps.

if you want the most highly portable, lightest, thinnest tablet and DO care about flash get the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Love watching Hulu high def streaming in the browser on my tab. Also you must not care about things: sd card, and HDMI out

if you really want an android NETBOOK and need a KEYBOARD for lots of emails and/or doc editing you must get the transformer. It is a worse tablet than the 10.1 for portability but it is a legit netbook with the keyboard.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SolusCado:
The iPad doesn't have built-in external storage either (I don't think), and the GT10.1 does have HDMI out, and through the same USB host adapter that the iPad has they both gain the ability to hook up external storage.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] krips2003:
Hey dilli, which one you'll be working on for the custom roms? Thrive or GTab 10.1:-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ca110475:
which basically ends up in the old good

the best device is the the best device for YOUR specific needs.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] di11igaf:
Gtab. I've went through the thrive, transformer, and have settled on the gtab 10.1, wife has one too.

Possibly start working on a OC /optimized kernel tonight
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] krips2003:
Wow. Thanks man. I always loved your Captivate roms. I'm hoping to see the same quality on this Gtab too. I'm sure we wont be disappointed :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dmoney94:
Ipad2 transformer and the galaxy tab,I went through all these devices in a period of 2 weeks return all of them,but today I made my choice and I am getting the galaxy tab.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] giantcrazy:
Please, if I could figure out how to get these things to breed I'd have a wallet with a lot more money in it. :)
[Wildfire General] mtnhan1996:
everytime I click the button "Turn on USB storage", my wildfire restarted :(:(. Yesterday, I can turn on USB storage, and today ,It keep restarting everytimes I click that button :(
[Wildfire General] Htc Pirate:
Facing the same issue for a while now, at times it wont work even after multiple tries whereas sometimes it may work automatically for me.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JWhipple:
I'm more than likely going to a Nexus S today.

I'm curious - what ROMs are you familiar with that come "out of the box" with T-Mobile WIFI calling, or are known to have no known issues with it if installed after the fact?

Thanks so much!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
None. The T-Mobile WiFi calling app requires support from T-Mobile. It can be ported by it requires a lot of work.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JWhipple:
Maybe I'm confused then - I could have sworn at one point that it was included with CM7 - I could be completely wrong though!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
No. You're probably thinking of Nexus One.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JWhipple:
Wouldn't surprise me LOL - I'm a self-proclaimed serial phone swapper LOL!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
I could tell lol. But yeah porting it requires doing libs and things like that. Wondering why we haven't seen WiFi calling ported over. Kind of forgot about it, I guess.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krohnjw:
It hasn't been forgotten, it's not available because the RIL on the Nexus S doesn't support the auth calls necessary to switch to GAN. Kineto blames Google for this. No other RILs from other Samsung devices work on the Nexus S either. Until we get a RIL that supports the necessary calls to switch to GAN it's not going to happen.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
Ah. I just don't see it talked about too much. Thanks for the info.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krohnjw:
There is a rather long thread in the dev section, but that's really it. After kineto passed the buck an none of the new RILs from this current Gen of Samsung devices worked it was fairly evident we weren't getting much further until a working RIL comes with an OTA (unlikely given kinetos response) or a future device has a RIL that works on the Nexus S and supports wifi calling (not looking great either).
[Nexus S Accessories] balibalistic:
Has anyone used this case and holster combo?

edit: i cant post links.., im new i guess.search ebay for "new shell belt clip case for sprint samsung nexus s 4g"

i have an active x case/holster combo but i hate the case. it's to slipery,buttons are to easy to press on the sides etc. its also tough to load and unload the phone one handed. im looking at this case combo in the above link but i'd really like to hear from anyone who's used it and what you think??also the 3g and 4 g frames are nearly identical, correct?
[Nexus S Accessories] redandblack1287:
That actually looks pretty legit, to be honest
[Nexus S Accessories] wild1z:
I have a watch strap buddy that is making a prototype for me that will be sort of like this one.

I would love something like this, I wish they made them larger but they are hard to come by.