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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
1) Superior camera app, with better layout, aesthetics, and options. Stock AOSP camera app is pretty terrible. Never found any 3rd party apps as good as the HTC camera app, either. You will see frequent requests for porting the HTC cam app to non-Sense ROMs, and there's a reason for that (but nobody has been able to do it).

2) Smart dialer/contacts. Some people like the HTC dialer and contacts better than AOSP, some don't. But many here have stated they prefer the HTC ones over AOSP. Also, I've messed around with 3rd party dialers/contacts, but there always seems to be something not quite there, and end up going back to Sense.

3) Apps and widgets like Stocks and Weather (and others) look great, and are well integrated with the general Sense theming. You can search around for Market apps that do the same things (and maybe more), but they will all have different looks to them, and simply won't mesh as well with the general theme of your ROM.

4) Lots of general theming changes. This is merely a matter of personal taste. But I think the changes made by HTC look more refined than AOSP, and prefer them.

5) Different keyboard. Mostly just an aesthetic choice, but again, I personally think the HTC one is better than AOSP. Plus, Sense 3.0 adds the Swype-like "HTC Trace" functionality. Personally I use the Swype keyboard.

6) With HTC Locations, you can pre-download the maps for huge regions or whole countries and store them to your SD (turn-by-turn navigation requires an extra fee, but the maps themselves are free). This allows you to use the maps even when no data network is available, such as poor signal or travelling abroad. I personally prefer the Google Maps/Navigation interface, but I see the practical applications for HTC Locations.

7) Built in WiFi hotspot, better notification pulldown (with quick settings), and other small stuff.

There's probably more, but those are the main reasons I see to pick Sense. But if you've given Sense a decent chance for a few days at least, and still don't like it versus the AOSP style ROMs (or other styles), you probably aren't going to change your mind based on what people here say. Its mostly just a matter of personal preference, the look and feel of the ROM. Its like asking why people like the color blue versus red.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Athrun88:
One word: Integration. HTC has done a splended job at bringing various little items together to create one simple UI that integrates almost everything. The dialer, facebook, widgets, settings, intuitive controls, camera, etc... The price? Memory.

I have gone from Sense to AOSP to MIUI and now back to sense because it is really hard to get that kind of integration on non-sense roms. I will gladly pay the price for Sense, though I may wander back to AOSP for speedier roms occasionally.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raitchison:
It's my opinion that for most people who prefer a Sense ROM their first Android phone came with Sense and they are simply used to it. It's also my opinion that this is the primary reason the custom UI's exist. If people are used to/comfortable with a certain interface they are less likely to switch to a different brand because any other interface will feel "wrong"

Since I started out with stock Android I find any of the custom UIs to be nails on a chalkboard annoying. It even took me a while to get used to ADW when that started being included in CM.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spastic909:
Media player on sense roms are way way better for streaming online media. On sense I don't use rockplayer but on non-sense I have to
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KCRic:
I think both ROMs have their place, everyone likes different things. These two points should be left out however.

#6 is no different then the map tile caching done in the new Google Maps, which is available on any ROM.

#7 come on, I know you have more experience with Android than that. Built in hotspot has been part of CM7 and every other ROM for a long time now. The pulldown is a bit different but then again, that's another user preference that can't be deemed better or worse.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
6) Is it? I haven't actually played with the feature on Google Maps at all, as I haven't found myself in the situation of using Google Maps while in areas of poor or no data connection. But my impression was that it was just a small cache feature, such as for while driving through isolated areas of bad data reception. The feature on Locations lets you download and store huge maps, such as "United States - West" permanently to the SD card, which takes up 953 MB; or all of France (833 MB). Google Maps cached doesn't do that, does it?

7) My bad, I haven't actually been on CM7 for a long time, and forgot about WiFi hotspot being cooked in. Do more stock/official versions of the AOSP ROM (like the T-Mob leak) have WiFi hotspot also? If not, it may still be a valid point of comparison for some (although I see your point, since the OP seems to be a CM7 fan).

If the phrasing "better notification pulldown" is merely changed to "different", it becomes a valid point of comparison. Completely agree that most of the difference in the features between Sense ROMs and others is a matter of personal preference/taste (as I've already pointed out in my previous post).
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riahc3:
I feel like its empty as there isnt much to really customize about Android (you can customize Sense alot but thats it).

1: Better in what sense? You can prefocus, flash, choose quality, ISO settings, etc. I dont see much difference. The design is less pretty but is that really important?

2: Cant comment as I always use the contact list.

3: In a general sense, I dont use widgets too much. I use LauncherPro which gives me a calender and a Facebook widget which pretty much work OK. People Stream is somewhat more feature full but feels like a cluttered mess.

4: Theming is not important as all as this is more aimed towards features. Said this, there are amazing themes out there for ASOP.

5: I use Swype. No really difference between the HTC and ASOP keyboard.

6: This is just about a week ago so you might not know :) In Google Maps (Lab) you can now select regions in 10 miles to download to your phone and use them with a data connection.

7: ....Android supports out of the box making itself a wifi hotspot....And the notification in Sense is one of the top 5 reasons I switched back. So bulky taking up so much space.

I find the Integration on Sense so terribly confusing and way too overpowered. On CM, it is SO simple and easy to do.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
For the most part, you have taken the things that I like about Sense, and are saying you don't like them. So I doubt this is going to turn into a productive discussion. Its a matter of personal preference. And it seems like you've already made up your mind.

1) HTC camera has the ability to add effects. Personally not for me, as I'd rather take a "normal" picture, and add effects later if I want. But I now some people like and use them.

By prefocus, do you mean you can touch to focus on AOSP? This feature was not included on CM7 last time I used it. But like I said, its been a long time. Overall, IMO the layout of the HTC camera is more logical and easier to use. And the AOSP is ugly as hell. Are looks important? It is to me. Not like its a deal breaker for the whole ROM. But its a factor to add to the list of differences.

6) So those features are nothing the same then. 10 miles is about enough to get your local area, but that's about it. Locations lets you download a whole country (or in the case of a large, developed country like the US a huge region), so you basically never have to worry about downloading again.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pmcqueen:
why would anyone want a sense rom???

because they like sense??? :confused::confused::confused:
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rickyiswhite:
Your opinion is not the opinion for everyone?

That makes no sense. An opinion is a statement about how one person feels about something, not something that is assigned to someone. Everyone has their own opinion bro
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barclays:
For me, no launcher runs sense-smooth

I tried CM7 once, disappointed by what-launcher's-name-is: choppy, laggy, unprofessional etc..

Also, I'm not gonna talk about Android's stock launcher
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mputtr:
What that means is that her opinion does not account the general concensus.

You just said the same exact thing I said. She was saying why would anyone want a sense rom because it is empty. then in one of her next replies, she says the integration is overpowered. It sounds ridiculous when you're saying that integration in an operating system can be overpowered.

so now i'm reading, sense is empty and sense is overpowered. I'm pretty sure this isn't world of warcraft so it simply seems odd to me to hear someone saying that a tight integration in the OS is a bad thing.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
mputtr's statement made perfect sense to me. The OP is asking why anyone would like Sense, just because he doesn't like it. It almost seems the OP assumes that everyone has the same personal tastes as him. I've tried to summarize pretty objectively what some of the differences are, and the OP just shot them all down basically saying he didn't like this or that, which is not really the point.

The easy answer to the question of why would anyone would like a Sense ROM, is that every ROM has different features, look and feel. Whether that makes it "better" or not is merely a matter of personal taste. Everyone has different tastes. Its as simple as that.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HAK Devil:
I do really like sense and especially its integration with the sense website but I think I may have just outgrown it. Theme wise miui can't be beat and the only thing I really miss about sense now is the contacts app and the facebook integration. However, I just find it to be a little too sluggish for me now after spending so much time with the alternatives. Oh and I also love the text select function in sense that zooms on letters iphone style to allow for more precise editing

I do think sense has a place but I feel that HTC has gone too far down the eye candy road rather than focus n new functionality that despite the new coat of paint 3.0 brings it just feels outdated
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xsteven77x:
I can agree with you about adw. It is a pretty bad launcher to showcase with cm7. The reason I hear that they insist on using it is that its open source. I would think that their are other/better OS launchers but maybe not! Stock android launcher rocks in terms of speed not sure where your complaint is there. First thing I do is install stock 2.3 launcher on cm and all is well.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackknightavalon:
Some people like Sense, some people (for some stupid reason) like Blur, some people like TouchWiz. I share the opinion of talkandroid.com that Android devices should be forced by Google to be compatible with vanilla Android with the option to download the manufacturer-specific skin. Sense is good, but I'm just too used to vanilla Android.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riahc3:
1) You point out a abilty that is avaliable in many third party app and isnt even useful to you. I believe that is just netpicking.

and yes, by prefocus I mean exactly that. Saying ASOP is ugly as hell is a opinion, not a fact like you pointed out that Im just picking out of personal preference, which I am trying not to do.

6) You can point out multiple areas. You have to do it 10 ,10 , 10, etc but you can pick out the entire US if you want.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xsteven77x:
I'm sure they are out there but I have yet to meet anyone who likes blur. And the ones that did just didn't know better. They take a look at my aosp phone and realize how crappy and laggy blur makes the phone! Worst overlay out of any of the cell phone manufacturers!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s0epkip:
Dialer, Weather and Friend Stream widgets, FM-radio support, probably some more things I forget now.

All this poured into a customized Sense ROM with trackpad wake and overclocking capabilities.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] katiepea:
indeed, sense has hundreds of little things you don't notice at first for social integration as well as things to do with profiling settings for the person who's using the phone. CM is bare bones compared to sense, i'm not quite sure how you can call sense empty and suggest that CM is full featured. CM is the reason i switched to sense, got tired of my phone not doing what it should be doing.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rickyiswhite:
So tell me how does an opinion fit the general concenus? And yeah she contradicted herself on that one.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rickyiswhite:
Try doubleshot espresso its a better version of sense imo
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mputtr:
an opinion is based one a single person. a general concensus is a majority of people agreeing on a subject, thus an opinion is part of a general concensus, but one opinion does not make for the majority's opinion. would you like to argue semantics or stay on topic?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
1) I pointed out the additional functionality in the HTC camera app, because you were asking for the differences in the ROMs. That is (supposedly) the whole point of why you started this thread. Just becuase I don't personally use it, doesn't mean that others don't enjoy it. I don't assume that everyone shares my exact same opinions.

Everything here (Sense vs. other style ROMs) is about personal opinion and preference. What you're saying is absurd and silly, about trying to pick a ROM regardless of personal preference. You are going to use the ROM that you like/prefer the best. No "facts" or specs or list of features is going to change that. They might contribute to that preference. But you its impossible to make the choice of ROM style completely objective. The differences are almost entirely subjective.

Makes about as much sense as picking your favorite color, without letting personal taste become a factor.

6) So the features are nothing alike, as I already said.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mputtr:
unfortunately, this thread has gone to an arguement of personal preference.

Riahc, you will like CM and that's that. At this point it is obvious that you would never objectively assess the difference between the roms and it is a fact that you will have your opinion and nothing is going to change that.

Redpoint, You know that no matter what you say about sense that you believe is different and/or better than CM, it will end up in a "i like A and he/she likes B."

Anymore arguement past this will be like me saying, "Why would anyone like the color green? I feel that green is such a sickly and boring color and I couldn't get back to wearing red clothings fast enough." Riahc has his/her opinion and there is nothing that will change riahc's mind. lets leave it at that.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
Its actually more like:

Me: Some people like A

riach: I don't like it

Me: Um . . . so what???

OP needs to remember that he titled the thread "Why would ANYONE want a Sense ROM".

Agree that this thread has lost all purpose, if it ever had any.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redshoes:
I use it and I love it as my first rom :) The more I read the more I see I made the right choice.

Sense is so live with nice effects, why not like it or want it :) It makes more fun and pleasure to use the phone ... + the nice features already mentioned above :)
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rollex:
Very good points here already, especially within the UI and possibilities of Sense. I'm another Sense lover, because it's beautiful, it has the best widgets and I love combined clock and weather with awesome full screen animations.

For a long time the animation itself was the only thing I did not feel home with any other based ROMs. Didn't like CM for its plain uglyness. Sense can also be fast with right kernel. I'm having Virtuous with rmk's advanced kernel powered up to 1500 mhz instead of default 800. Cheers!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c00ller:
Am I the only one who found the thread title and post extremely trollish? I mean, I prefer AOSP but that doesn't mean I fail to acknowledge that others have different opinions. The OP didn't even sound curious or with an open mind.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] redpoint73:
Originally, I gave the OP the benefit of the doubt, and took it as a legit question. I tried to be helpful, and just point out the different features of Sense. But he seemed more interested in being all fanboy and slamming Sense.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] convolution:
Obvious troll is obvious.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hoetel4dawgs:
This argument...i mean thread is like debating over which ice cream is better chocolate or vanilla...you will never be able to convince the other person

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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] katiepea:
the dumbest thing about it is that the greatest thing about android is that it allows you for choices. it blows my mind that people want to act like aosp is the only way to go, think of it like this: if you're hardcore into AOSP great for you, you can thank HTC for a lot of the popularity of AOSP, they've helped android grow to extremely great heights, if you don't like sense great for you too. but trying to hate on options is just ...well idiotic, people like different things, fanboying android against android is trolling, and tired at this point. sense offers a lot of polish that many people need. my mother cannot navigate around AOSP but absolutely adores sense, she doesn't even realize it's the same OS. it's not bad to have options guys, it makes everything better.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xArcane1x:
As stated in earlier posts, Sense seems to be user friendly in both Interface and, for some, performance wise

I've tried Sense for about a day but in my opinion was kind of a clustered and not too fulfilling experience. Though like others have said, it really depends on your preference
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] polygon21:
Having sense saves normal users from having to configure everything from scratch.. I was abit lost when I switched to cm7 for awhile.. Went back to virtuous after that..
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkmeridian:
The dialer app and weather app on the Sense ROM are worth the price of admission for me. Dialer One just doesn't compare. Also, the Virtuous 2 Rom is just more compatible with our hardware.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daboy00isBack:
if you have sense, then your a sweet boy
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mputtr:
Looks like someone has jailbait experience. Did those mean inmates showed you the soap drop ropes?
[Legend General] berserkk:
Hi,

I want to install the default radio from the latest vodafone au legend firmware variant A6363 (900/2100Mhz)

How does one go about extracting it?

cheers,

Ben

P.s.

How do i confirm my variant is actually A6363
[Legend General] Asovse1:
Regarding your last question:

On the back of the box, on one of the barcode stickers, it should say the Phone's name and the model number.

Since I have a Canadian Bell HTC Legend, it shows HTC Legend A6365.
[HTC Sensation] g33k84:
Hi Peoples,

I have recently purchased the HTC Sensation Z710A - Australia Edition which operates on the 850 Mhz Band for the Telstra network in Australia.

I was just wondering if anyone wants a ROM rip of this radio/OS. If so, does someone wanna swing me instructions so I can dump it for them. Its running HTC Sense 3.0 and has all the usual trimmings, just operating on the different frequency bands.

Kernel: 2.6.35.10-g6d6a25c

Baseband: 10.43a.9007.00U_10.51.9007.27_M3

Build Number: 1.35.841.6 CL83095 release-keys

As expected, its a S-On edition, bootloader locked.

Thanks
[HTC Sensation] Morsolo:
I got a Telstra Sensation, too.

Can I ask you, what panel did you get? AUO or Sharp?

Read this thread for more details: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1131592

If you have Sharp, it means Telstra is importing both; and I'm gonna take mine back and complain.
[HTC Sensation] g33k84:
Mine is:

[ 736.330833] Panel Type = PANEL_ID_PYD_AUO_NT

In saying that, im not sure what grounds you have for a complaint, even the thread you link indicates that the difference is negligible?

Hope it helps though anyway dude =)
[HTC Sensation] Kezzainc:
I have a friend who needs to buy this for XT in Telecom NZ. Will this phone be any different in regards to upgrading the ROM etc ? I remember the HD2 had a split for manys month with the t/mobile version.
[HTC Sensation] Morsolo:
It's most definitely not negligible.

Any high contrast environment (white text on black background is most evident) makes the screen ghost and flicker blatantly.

To be fair, I haven't seen a Sharp screen in person, so I don't know if it is better, though everyone says there isn't any of those problems with the Sharp at all. But the AUO is unacceptable.
[HTC Sensation] FrAsErTaG:
we had a sharp panel and acer panel side by side today (sharp was a grey import) and we noticed negligible difference if any between the two...
[HTC Sensation] g33k84:
Hey Kezzainc,

Yeah, its likely it will be different. The radio will be 100% different from what is on offer for the US versions (currently) So you'd have to wait for Telstra (at this stage) to release new ROM/Radio.

In saying that, its likely as the 850 version gets rolled out globally, we'll see some more standard ROMS built, like Cyanogen etc. but this is probably not gonna happen until around August when Boot Loaders start to get unlocked....
[HTC Sensation] shadowboy23:
Just bought mine yesterday as well from JB Hi-fi. Haven't used it yet because the case and screen protector hasn't arrived yet.

I'm itching to use the darn thing.
[HTC Sensation] leighaus:
also rocking a telstra sensation as of yesterday (got the desire on global launch and the sensation on telstra launch, toot toot).

checked my screen deets when browsing thr WP thread, and i have an acer too. Whilst if you look for ghosting its there, its not an issue to me. Im pretty sure that every unit telstra has will be acer as well. The taiwan units are the sharps (Which is alot of the US).

I think some of the tearing is also due to sense, not the screen. Im happy with my acer fed sensation.
[HTC Sensation] g33k84:
+1 - I don't see the big deal. Looks great to me :confused:
[HTC Sensation] Spoofy:
I dont mind the ghosting/flickering but what i do mind is the incredible battery drain. Is everyone else struggeling to to make the 12 hour mark in light - medium use?
[HTC Sensation] Utking:
Nope i get 35 hours with stock battery 45 with extended battery, also what did you develope?

Sent from my overclock'ed Sensation
[HTC Sensation] shadowboy23:
I get about 35 hours too more or less.
[HTC Sensation] Utking:
Check if htc watch is hogging up your cpu, i gained 10 hours just by killing it

Sent from my overclock'ed Sensation
[HTC Sensation] sromer:
I got mine today, for free :D
[HTC Sensation] andyboo:
Hey guys,

Just want to know, have you guys experienced the death grip issue?

I know that death grip to a certain degree happens to all phones etc etc etc... however, all the sensation death grip issues that iv read up on, im pretty sure are on the Z710e and not on the Z710a.

So please, let us know :D