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[Touch HD Android Development] Igoritza:
Im fairly capable with tech, im also an android app developer, but I really cant read whole 46 pages, please help me:

I got myself a replacement Digitizer, and it's NOT hard to replace it if it's bought separately from screen. I purchased it on amazon for 13$, and it works perfectly. only thing that botheres me is goddamn dust particle stuck in between, and i just cant open it again .. too much trouble.

so, Im now interested in isntaling android, cause I want to educate my little brother who is apple fan, and giving him Android blackstone instead of his 2G iPhone.

with the latest build on this thread, does everything work ? I reached page 10, and saw that camera and keyboard are not working, keyboard has the market solution, but what about camera .. ?

and, could someone please link the latest instruction post for instaling android .. ?

Im again really sorry for not reading the whole thread, I just dont have time, cause im working 2 jobs at the moment, and I really want to Androify my little brother for his birthday. Im owner of Desire Z, and I still didnt have time to remove stock HTC with something awesome, cause Desire Z has so much potential.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Such a long rambling post about nothing...

Use search.

Read the first post, install process is there.

No one expects you to read every post in the entire thread...

I don't have a Blackstone, but I think the rear cam works. Front does not.
[Touch HD Android Development] Igoritza:
oh, sorry, i saw another thread where dude didnt edit the first post, so you had to find the instructions through whole thread, of 100+ pages. im on it now. will post results.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I'm bad, but not that bad :p.
[Touch HD Android Development] Biofobico:
How should I insert that piece of code?

I tried like this with no success;

set ramsize 0x10000000
set ramaddr 0x10000000
set mtype 2030
set KERNEL zImage
set initrd initrd.gz
set cmdline "msmts_calib=0x395.0x3c9.0x79.0x77 lcd.density=240 clock-7x00.a11=500 msmvkeyb_toggle=off gsensor_axis=-2,-1,3"
physkeyboard=blac
boot

I am also using your rootfs and still cant navigate using the hardware keys (or in any other way tbh).

Thanks in advance for any help.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Where'd you get this startup.txt from? It's a mess of old stuff :p.

Here, let me fix it for ya.

set ramsize 0x10000000
set ramaddr 0x10000000
set mtype 2030
set KERNEL zImage
set initrd initrd.gz
set cmdline "lcd.density=240 msmvkeyb_toggle=off gsensor_axis=-2,-1,3 physkeyboard=blac"
boot
[Touch HD Android Development] Biofobico:
Working now. Thanks for your help :)
[Touch HD Android Development] discjockeyr:
Hi, i have try several rootfs, several kernels but i did not manage to work the wi-fi. i get an error when trying to enable the wi-fi. anybody knows the solution?

Thanks
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
What's the error in your logs?

Do your modules match the kernel?

Have you tried to rm /lib/modules? I've made a new rootfs (only in the testing GB build right now) that *should* fix all of the various wifi pitfalls.
[Touch HD Android Development] discjockeyr:
Hi arrrghhh,

thanks for your reply. where can i find the logs?

what you mean modules match the kernel?

and also i don't know waht is rm

sorry but i am new to this and i am looking for help. if you can explain me what o try i will apriceiate. i can understant if you cannot as you may don't have time to guide me.

Thanks anyway
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Uhm...

Logs -> http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Logs

Modules have to match the kernel -> read -> http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Incremental_Updates

Edit - You can try the new rootfs, attached. It may magically fix all your problems - assuming the modules actually do match the kernel.
[Touch HD Android Development] DaFileFather:
where should we put that attachment ...
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Where do you put any rootfs?

Where you run haret.exe from, of course...

Please read http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Incremental_Updates if you're unsure of how to update some component.
[Touch HD Android Development] discjockeyr:
hi arrrghhhh,

finally i use this htc-msm-linux @ 20110627_223755 and the wi-fi now is working.

But a new issue appears now, after some minutes the unit stuck and nothing responce. the last time that this happens was while trying to add my password to gmail.

thanks for your help
[Touch HD Android Development] DaFileFather:
thnx... that did it ... all works (so far) .. :)

But.... No SOUND?! Can't select a ringtone .. all i hear "kluk"... nothing.. no sound..

is that true? :o
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
New issue - no clue. Need logs. Does the device come back, or does it freeze and you have to pull the battery?

Patience is a virtue when using these devices on a port like this. It's going to be slow, and sometimes things do get hung up.

rootfs would have absolutely nothing to do with sound. Did you have sound before? You're on FRX07.1 right, nothing experimental?
[Touch HD Android Development] Igoritza:
I must be some kind of a retard.

running Haret.exe freezes the device, in the first second of boot, it says: booting linux, and that's it, freeze.

then, i saw that I need another kernel, I downloaded the one that everybody reported is working (htc-msm-linux-20110622_180615) downloaded it, placed everything, renamed file to "zlimage", started boot again - freeze again.

Im now pretty sure I did everything according to the instructions, but it freezes .. dont know why.

booting freezes in this manner: blue loading bar starts to go, reacehs almost the end, it stops, phone vibrates, and that's it.

now i have tried every single kernel from this thread that is reported working, and it wont run. every time it freezes on "booting linux" ...

EDIT:

could it be that my phone has some other windows OS instead of default .. ?

my windows is, as reported by "about" section: Windows Mobile 6.5 professional.

wont boot android with this one, m ?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Didja read the FAQ?

You can't overclock WinMo. I'm betting (hoping) that's your issue. WinMo is WinMo, should work with 6.1 or 6.5. Stock or aftermarket, so long as you're not OC'd.
[Touch HD Android Development] Igoritza:
well then, It aint the case.

here's a pic of hardware info:

it says: 528mhz, and it's default. damn ..

im gonna try again, everything from the beggining.

fat32 format

copy FRX07.1 folder to root folder of SD card

startup.txt for blackstone to the same destnation where Haret.exe is

run haret.exe from phone

if wont work, find another kernel, extract bz2, replace kernel with gz extnsion, and zImage, rename new zImage to "zImage"

run haret.exe

what the F am I doing wrong ?!?

could it be that im extracting bz2 with winrar isntead of 7zip .. ? every bz2 has just 2 files inthere, tar.gz, and zImage .. ?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
It works just fine with the bundled kernel, otherwise there would be a TON of posts just like yours.

If it was the SD card, it would freeze later. Same if you didn't set rel_path if everything isn't at the root... From what you describe, you never get the double vibe right?

Uhhhh I'm running out of things that cause complete and utter failures to boot. Are you on a stock ROM or some wacky aftermarket one? Rarely, some strange off-brand ROM's have caused issues, I can't say for sure why.

Also, try running haret.exe without a startup.txt and read off what it says in the box that pops up.
[Touch HD Android Development] DaFileFather:
Never mind.. it was my fault...

Working now.

Ahum... just put the volume on a higher level ... :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 01:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:56 PM ----------

@Igoritza

Or maybe try to delete some apps .. in Androidapps folder ..

setup with clean folder. don't put any app there. Try that too.

and @ Igoritza:

what do you mean with "copy the FRX07.1 folder on root?

no no no ... try to put the contents of that folder ONLY on the root..

not the complete folder...

so if for example X is your root of sd card then you should have:

X:/haret.exe

X:/androidapps

etc

not

X:/(some folder)/haret.exe

etc..

Try that.
[Touch HD Android Development] ezoid:
Just installed FRX07-1... front keys @ blackstone don't work... any solution?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I see you read the caveat post :rolleyes:.

I guess I should throw a new bundle of this up... I'm really tired of seeing this problem, when people could just read a little to fix. Oh well, c'est la vie right?
[Touch HD Android Development] ezoid:
yes... i haven't read that caveat post... thanx btw!!

already found a solution... thanx!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] Igoritza:
arrrghhh and TheFileFather - it was the case of aftermarket ROM. I had the 6.5 Stonehenge ROM, and as soon as I reverted to the original rom, using some old thread instructions, it worked.

Its too bad that Blackstone never got NAND Android, cause ths phone is kinda awesome. Resistive TS is the best resistive I have ever used, and it has all the great specs, apart from the CPU which is kinda outdated, but nonetheless, android hardware is nowdays in advantage over the software, you need >cortexA8 just for some crazy **** games and 720p video, and flash content. none of which I use.

Anyways, you arrrghhh are one awesome person. even with such outdated device, you putt your effort into it, and it means alot, specially for us from 3rd world countries which have no money for this new fancy gadgets, like SGS2 and XE ...
[Touch HD Android Development] rhtizzy:
First of all, thanks people for all the excellent work. Where would all of us mere mortals be without the likes of you lot. Truly much obliged!

Now the issue;

I had everything working well and was installing a number of my fav apps using appbrain when wouldn't you know, system crash. No biggie, I'd just reboot and all would be well I thought. To make a long story short: not.

I finally gave up on the rebooting and extracted the FRX07.1 zip over my existing install and hey presto, rebooting now worked again. But sad to say without the use of my front buttons even though the 'physkeyboard=blac' was still present in my startup.txt (all was working fine before the crash).

So I deleted my data.img and rebooted again, but still, even with the clean install again, my front buttons still wont work... I checked my startup.txt and it still looked good.

What to do?? Wipe and start from scratch is my last option, is there something else I can do before I resort to that and it still doesn't work?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
You're on the newest rootfs? I need to update the FRX07.1 bundle, just haven't gotten around to it...
[Touch HD Android Development] rhtizzy:
Yep that fixed it. I knew I had updated it already but that must have been before the crash. Much thanks!
[Touch HD Android Development] viktorandreev:
Hi I have a problem when I start the camera shows me "enter the CD card To use the camera".Also in my memory shows"Settings,SD card,Total space,Unavailable".Please help!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I know it sounds silly but copy all the data off your SD card to your PC. Format the card (full format, FAT32) using the HP Tool. That part is important - the built-in Windows and WinMo format utilities are broken!!

After the full FAT32 format, put all the data back on the card. Attempt to use the camera again...
[Touch HD Android Development] viktorandreev:
Many thanks, now it is fine and thanks for the fast response.
[Touch HD Android Development] rhtizzy:
What is that chinese \ japanese looking system app that's part of the basic FRX07.1 install and can't be uninstalled via regular methods?

It's icon is a large blue ball with oriental markings and a smaller yellow ball. It's title is also in chinese \ japanese and it doesn't show up in either the market or appbrain...
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
It's a built-in IME for Japanese IIRC. Ships with AOSP Android...
[Touch HD Android Development] rhtizzy:
Thanks. Did a quick search and learnt that the Input Method Engine is part of the Android Open Source Project. Couldn't find the exact meaning for IIRC but it appears to relate to input or interpreter and characters or similar. That was fun.
[Touch HD Android Development] shen_lon:
hi guys, i've installed the frx7.1 on my htc touch hd (blackstone), but after de setup i have encountered a problem: the hard key buttons buttons does'nt work on the htc HD (blackstone)?

when i press the call/home/backward or end/call button, it will only vibrates and doesnt react to it..

is there a way to fix it?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Sigh...

From the caveat post. I guess I need to upload a new bundle for this, just to avoid this question :p.
[Touch HD Android Development] raptus84:
hi guys, I have 2 big problems:

a) I can't connect to my own wireless lan, that's detected but when I try to connect it goes on loop.

b) The battery is low after 4 hours!!

Anyone could help me?

Thanks and great job at all
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
a) Has wifi ever worked? Are you on the newest everything? (kernel & rootfs). Logs please. http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Logs

b) Battery isn't so great. Depending on usage, 4 hours isn't unheard of. Typically I think Blackstone users get 6-8 hours, again depending on usage. If you're using it a lot 4 hours is probably about all you'll get. We're NEVER, EVER going to match WinMo for battery life, so don't compare the two. I'm positive there's improvements that can be made - but unfortunately there's no developers on Blackstone, so you guys mostly get the scraps from RHOD devs. Sorry, c'est la vie. At least you get scraps ;).
[Touch HD Android Development] shen_lon:
thanks, it works fine now ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] NoQlu:
This doesn't work for me! Its suppose to be in the set cmdline " xxx " right? And the order of commands are irrelevant i suppose? Do I need a newer rootfs than the one in the bundle link on the first page?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Did you read this post?

It's like 5 posts above yours.

I know, I need to update the bundle. I want to finish up all my rootfs changes before I do, but perhaps I won't be able to.
[Touch HD Android Development] NoQlu:
Yes I did. And i did the same with no results :( I will format sd, try again and this time put the line in to begin with...

I just wanna say that its awesome you still continue your development! Its ALOT better than when i tried xdandroid out for the first time, a year ago or so :)

Now I have a phone for Roskilde festival with the nice battery time from winmo combined with the feats of android :D

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IT WORKS! I didn't do the full wipe thing. I just downloaded the newest rotfs and replaced the one in the bundle - profit.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
That shouldn't be necessary.

Seriously, the only two things required are a new rootfs (make sure you're on the newest from the autobuild...) and the physkeyboard=blac in your startup.txt.

It goes on the 'set cmdline' line, in between the quotes, with at least one space between each item. You can place it anywhere on that line, beginning, middle, end. Doesn't matter so long as there's a least one space between each item, and all the cmdline stuff is in between the quotes all on one line.

I'll be updating the bundle soon methinks. I might just update the bundle before all my rootfs changes, because I don't know when I'll be able to get 'em done.

Edit - Just saw your update, enjoy.
[Touch HD Android Development] viktorandreev:
The comparison between FroYo Bundle ** FRX07.1 and XDAndroid GBX0B 2.3.7 there is big difference.GB 2.3.7 is much more stable and faster, but the battery lasts more on FRX07.1 abaut 10h whit 1h WI-FI on.But in both Bild have a problem I can not watch video.I try with 3gp,avi,MP4 and 220*340,400*800...only sound,and then I can,t trn video off.I most reastart.

I need help pllllll....

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I forgot, whether there will be updates for FroYo 7.1 or GB 2.3.7???
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Not all videos will play... and I can only speak from experience on my RHOD. Basically *some* YouTube HQ videos would play, some wouldn't.

hyc pushed our graphics chip about as far as it could go, and he still couldn't get it to decode a video higher than 640x480 IIRC.

You seem to be trying to play video files tho, what are you using to play them? Does YouTube HQ work? You must remember this device's hardware is circa 2007 - before Android was even available.

What does this even mean?

There will be updates for both, but the updates for FroYo are probably going to slow greatly. The only thing FroYo will get is stuff backported, if anything.

I don't really understand the question, so it's entirely possible I didn't answer it correctly. Please, be more clear if I did not answer it correctly...
[Touch HD Android Development] viktorandreev:
I try whit BSplayer and default player to play videos but no luck.Also with MX Video player but nothing.Only I can hear, but no video.Also whit youTube.The problem is I cant watch any video.

And,that I was wanted to ask you.Thanks for the answer.I will wait for updates.

Sorry for my bad English!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
No YouTube videos work...? Or just the HQ ones fail? Please try HQ and non-HQ videos.
[Touch HD Android Development] viktorandreev:
no.only sound no video.its sey "force clous" I back on home screan but sount is playing and dont stop.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Sorry, I don't follow.

Perhaps this is just broken for all Blackstone users? I highly doubt that. Are you on the newest everything? Make sure you are.

http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Incremental_Updates
[Touch HD Android Development] vcd001:
HI...

the new FRX7.01 is smooth than last time...

But i have a problem of my Blackstone that cannot use my CALL,HOME,BACK,HANG UP button...

isit anyone out there have this problem?

how can i fix it?

THx
[Touch HD Android Development] Danny04:
See post 491, just one page back.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Screw it, I'm updating the bundle w/o the rootfs changes. I'm done with people not reading the caveat post!! It is only the 2nd post after all :rolleyes:
[Touch HD Android Development] vcd001:
Finally ! is now done... you are my GOD! lolz... thanks bro
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
AND update to the newest rootfs?

You also might have the physkeyboard command in the wrong spot - if the rootfs update doesn't fix ya, post your entire startup.txt.
[Touch HD Android Development] Malte1234511:
Hi,

the buttons in the front doesnt

work for me... Any solution??

Malte1234511
[Touch HD Android Development] raptus84:
Please read previous posts... There is a quick solution, just a file replacement.

Anyway...Are there any news about the development? I really can't understand because we blackstone "fans" can't get a decent Android version... fully working without battery problems and other issues...Is our device so complicated?
[Touch HD Android Development] Sgt.Igor:
Stuck

Stuck at install - Waiting for SD card

formated with hp tool

tried other kernels

any other thing to do?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
There's no devs for your device. 0. We've never had any either, which is unfortunate.

I tried to get a Blackstone donated to a dev or 2... but no one ever offered one. So, development continues to languish.

Even on my beloved RHOD, there's still many problems - and not many left actively working on the device. It's getting quite long in the tooth if you look at when the SoC was released. 2007.

From the caveat post:

Or try a different SD card.
[Touch HD Android Development] ruzan:
hey arrrghhh...

i have been looking up the hardware specs of HD and found that HTC G1- Dream, shares the same hardware..

the processor and gpu, both are same. there r some differences as in the keyboard, screen size etc but i guess the underlying hardware looks very similar.

just a stupid VERY amateur question...

has anybody tried to use the files from G1 for our HD to make it fully working? as in nand etc? infact we have bigger rom and more ram.

also i found this page for G1.

http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL

if some expert like cmonex or olipro (as they got us windows hspl for our device) can look into this.. we might make a better start.

as i said.. am ignorant abt the whole thing. just thought will put up what i found and if it helps in anyway for a stable nand of blackstone.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
We use the Dream, Hero and Tattoo as 'example' devices. We've taken much from their trees, but unfortunately it's not so simple to just drop everything in from their work. Our hardware isn't 100% identical, but very similar.
[Touch HD Android Development] ruzan:
okie. thanks for info.

anybody tried the hspl route of dream for blackstone nand by requesting cmonex or olipro to work their majic for us?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
What would this achieve exactly?

We already know what needs to be done for NAND, there's just a lot of kernel work that needs to happen -> which means a dev needs a Blackstone in their hand!
[Touch HD Android Development] ruzan:
again a very stupid question but what abt the kernel from dream?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
As I said our hardware is similar but far from "identical". It's not a matter of just dropping it in and it magically working...
[Touch HD Android Development] crvmolinari:
yuhuu! it works for me!

any suggestions to make the battery live longer?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Don't use widgets.

Disable apps that always sync which you don't always want syncing.

Use wifi whenever possible (it draws less power & is faster).

Disable data when not in use - this one is HUGE, but it's also a huge pain in the butt if you're used to always-on data. If you can live with data being off, your battery life will skyrocket.
[Touch HD Android Development] crvmolinari:
THANKS! i downloaded "widgetsoid" (widget) to activate/deactivate wifi, data connection, Bluetooth, synchronization and gps in one click just when i need it... (I used to have data connection always on in winmo :S)

thanks again!
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
You'll never get as good of battery as WinMo. Perhaps we can get close in total sleep, no radios on... but the simple fact is Android does more in the background (apps syncing, etc) so it will suck more battery, regardless.

There's many ways the port could probably be improved as far as battery life goes - but the complete lack of manpower is troublesome.
[Touch HD Android Development] mom4ence:
Problem

I have a problem. Don't work any of touch button .How i can fixed ?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Follow the directions in the second post?
[Touch HD Android Development] raptus84:
Sorry but I can't undestand that thing yet. Why must you have a phisical blackstone device for an Android development? Are there noone that could give you a support for testing (without giving out his phone) or there is no possibility to develop via web/skype? Is that so "hardware-oriented"?

If this is not, I'm sure that lot of people could give their support online.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
a) You'd need a really good tester

b) You'd need to work with them very closely

c) It'd still be 10,000,000x easier with the device in-hand to test changes on the fly. C'mon, is this really so hard to grasp?

If you don't want to donate, that's fine. But don't fill the thread with drivel, thanks.
[Touch HD Android Development] jeanfrederic:
Hello, I'm trying to run your FRX7.1 from WinMo Premium EDGE v4.0.2 made by ypsmav.

Although i tried your advice here above, I still can't use my front buttons.

Could you please tell me if my startut.txt is correct?

Mind I use the latest rootfs.

Thx a lot.

By the way, the last kernel htc-msm-linux-2.6.35-20120127_222030-package.tar.bz2 prevent my blackstone to boot...