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[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
What recommendation do you have? I didn't think Swype was free..?

Probably true, I'll take that part out thanks.

orly... that's an odd bug. It seems that the hardware is not initialized by Android...

I'll add it, but don't expect it to work anytime soon :p.

I remember this bug, related to the battery code. g3rm0's kernel isn't such a good solution, it just kills the battery provider... I'll see if I can bug a dev into fixing it. Not sure what the actual problem is - does this persist even in the newest autobuild kernels?

For the DIAM? Is that not required? Sorry 'bout that. I removed it ;). I want this to be a Blackstone-specific thread, after all it is in the Blackstone forum. So anything I can do to help newbies with Blackstones is great. Keep up the feedback, and let me know how I can improve!

Yup... apps loading for a while are partially due to the old hardware. Some of it might be the SD card being slow... NAND won't be a ton faster, but should give a little boost.

Battery life falls quickly because the battery driver is inherently flawed. There's some new battery software (SCBS) and it should improve this, but it doesn't seem like it'll be implemented into mainline anytime soon (many devices need support...)
[Touch HD Android Development] welard:
will we see meny of these fixes in frx07:) and gingerbread in the next release? (nice to see things are happening here again by the way)
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
@argh

swype is free,you just need to register and you gain access to swype beta

it's called beta because it is made for devices that don't come with if out of the box and therefore are still developing it,but it works great,nevertheless
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
well actually,nothing is happening at all all this is available since march (except for some of the incremental updates which chronologically came out later)
[Touch HD Android Development] welard:
what mean is help for making our blackstone run better because there was no one here to tell the problems we face on frx06 and gingerbread......now that arrrghhh is looking into our problems things mite just happen now.........
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
they might,but arrrghhh is a tester,not sure if he is a dev himself,but he could help pursue devs to do it :P

as for improvements,very few improvements happened at all over last few months to any device supported by xdandroid project
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I was always around, but having dedicated threads in the Blackstone section will help. I tried to get others to create threads to support Blackstone, but I guess no one ever did... So here I am! Trying to support without a device.

If anyone feels like donating a device, it would be much appreciated. XDAndroid will pay shipping if you're willing to donate the device to a dev!

This is not true! There's been a ton of development over the last few months... It happens in spurts, but there has been quite a bit.

I'm not much of a dev (played around with init, working on getting rid of manual ts-calibration) but I am 'lead tester' for the project, I maintain the wiki, releases, and track bugs on the bugtracker.
[Touch HD Android Development] welard:
i have not a device to donate.....but if we all donate for a device that would speed things up much faster...... i think you should start a new thread for donate for a blackstone device......im sure theres lots of blackstone users willing to do this because the end result will pay off for all of us.......:)
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
i had a sod and now i can't boot,the animation just keeps looping...hw buttons vibrate then i touch them,but do not work....power button doesn't work either

happened to me once before,but i don't know what i did to solve it...i maybe deleted the data.img :p

this time i tried to wipe and format the partition,didn't help

i tried with fresh files (except for the data.img) but still nothing...

@arrrghhh: wanna swap with me for your rhodium,if you want it badly?

@werald and others:if we are going to donate a device,it'd be best to donate it do a dev,maybe stinebd,don't know
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Development_Team

stinebd, phhusson,maybe babijoee,depends who has more time and will...but argh will deal that with them....

general note:be extremely careful when donating a device,i remember some donations that went bad
[Touch HD Android Development] welard:
ebay is a good place to start.......how meny is willing if they want android on there blackstone........:)
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Huh... you can rename the data.img to data.img.bak or whatever and boot again to at least rule that out. Haven't had that happen.

LOL I'd like to help you guys out but I'm not sure I'd want to giveup my RHOD... perhaps my tester RHOD, but my main one is tied to my Sprint account and a GSM BLAC would be pretty useless to me :p.

I wouldn't mind testing on it, but you're right a dev would be better - kernel dev would probably help that device more than any other. Not sure who would be willing to accept it to fix it up, but I've coordinated several donations. None have gone awry.

phh & babijoee aren't really active any longer. stinebd doesn't have much time, and isn't a kernel dev.

What has gone awry? Feel free to respond via PM, but like I said I've coordinated several donations and haven't had a single issue - other than perhaps lengthy ship times :p.
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
if i remember right one time tom codon was promising to make some devices walk on water and when he got them,he just abandoned development...so i'm generally speaking,and am not referring to you at all...too bad i don't have a spare one :)
[Touch HD Android Development] welard:
neither do i have a spare blackstone..........anyone out there do u have a blackstone collecting dust (SHOUT)........
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Blackstone user...

Hey guys,

Official blackstone user here. Tried putting the Gingerbread 2.3.3 build on there. Started like a charm. Besides bluetooth not working (as mentioned), I went to fiddle around with it some more. I tried typing some stuff however, that ended up in NOT showing the keyboard completely. It sort of has a total of 3mm worth of keyboard available. Not actually showing any keys.

Anybody know why that is? Is that a fault in the build or am I just not doing something right?

Am trying this Blackstone with Android for a month or so just till I get a Samsung Galaxy S2 with 2.3.4 on it.

Regards,

Remon
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
You noticed the BT caveat, but somehow missed this?

Swype was recommended, as was another one in that link on the second post...
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Actually saw that like 10 minutes after posting it.. I know, RTFM. Tried the first suggested one, that one is absolute ****. Going to try the Swype one, but it's not available on Android Market.. Any suggestions on where to find it? Or let me guess, google and thou shalt find? ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
lol. Soft kbd works fine for me, but I don't have a BLAC - not sure why it doesn't work OOB on that device...

At any rate, I have no clue how to get Swype. Someone earlier said you have to sign up for some beta test or smth? I've never used it, couldn't get used to it. I prefer using the real kbd... which you folks don't have :p.
[Touch HD Android Development] Eodun:
"Keyboard from Android 2.3" works fine in Blac.
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Yeah that's the problem. I have a Nokia N97 with hardware keyboard as well.. Qwerty kind. Can nearly type just as fast as I can on an actual keyboard.. That's going to get some getting used to.. Haha. I'll google for that Swype thing, cause the Better Keyboard 8 is absolute ****e. :)
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
can't be easier to find

http://beta.swype.com/
[Touch HD Android Development] kulwant:
My blackstone buttons are not working. I'm talking about the buttons at the bottom present on phone.

The call, end call and home button.

They are not working because of screen alignment i guess. I have to click way too low where an option i want to select in a menu.

Any possible way to align them right and plus the keyboard is another issue..
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
download ts-calibration from the 1st post and use it,if the issue persists,try downloading rootfs from xdandroid.com (rootfs is issued with key mapping)

if that doesn't help come here again
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
I would also recommend to kulwant manual calibration if you're having issues with the provided ts-calibration file. Directions are in the first post, thanks.
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Yeah that's what I use anyway cause I sort of am a control freak like that.. I like the accuracy of my screen to actually WORK.. ;) Looking at the Swype program now. Thanks guys! Will let you know anything update substatial when it happens. :)
[Touch HD Android Development] kulwant:
how to install the swype as the keyboard that is built in cannot be used. I try signing into my gmail account for market but can't.

I need astro file manager to be there to install the apk i've stored on my sd card but that again cannot be installed without market. What to do..How to make this keyboard work..
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
If you have an APK file, put said file in the AndroidApps folder. It will get cp'd to /data/app on boot - this is in the FAQ...

Why can't you sign into the Market...?
[Touch HD Android Development] kulwant:
It needs gmail sign in and that i can't do as the keyoard in this gingerbread version is not working..
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Mate, select the Japanese IMEI keyboard, and then type away. Remember, RTFM is only 3x 7, 2x 8, 3x 3, 1x 6. ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] kulwant:
Thanks mate. I hope swype works awesomely..XDA n ARGGGHHH RULES
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Ok so I installed Swype.. That worked well for about 10 minutes, untill it decided to get stuck again.. After that it didn't properly boot anymore. Deleted the data.img and decided to let it build a new one.. unfortunately, it now comes with a few more errors..

- Constantly jams up, stuck, black screens and no further action..

- Gets Randomly stuck at the Android flying thingy's screen..

It hasn't been solid since the first try I gave it. Froyo x06 is probably still the best build that i've had where everything seems to be working perfectly.. However........... The batterly life on Froyo X06 is about 17 minutes of usage. So utterly useless unless you're carrying a power supply on you WHEREVER you go..

Anyone any suggestions?

going to try new install with this rom, and add a new rootfs.img from 16th of may 2011.. See how that goes.
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
17 minutes? I've been using FRX06 daily since it came out, I usually get about 17 hours depending on usage. I've even been streaming music on my way to and from work, all without charging... I also don't have a BLAC, but I can't imagine it's that much worse for BLAC...

I would try a fresh format of the card using the HP Tool - full format, FAT32.

Updating is never a bad idea either.
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
I formatted the SD card completely with normal SD Card mounter in the laptop, so it's a full on FAT-32 SD card. Has always been slow and battery eating from the get-go.

I read everywhere that the 2.2 FRX06 build has battery issues and that 2.3 should have fixed this. Hence me trying this Gingerbread build, thusfar not very succesfull I might add.. Just put a new image on it, trying to build it up with apps etc. and using it tonight. First getting Swype on it again (which is a f'n hassle using the Japanese IME keyboard.. Haha.)

Regards,

Remon
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
There's no tangible difference between GB and FroYo in battery life terms. Assuming the kernels are identical, I doubt the consumption would be any different, whatsoever. Placebo effect.

Also, I told you to format with the HP Tool. Don't use any built-in WinMo or Windows utilities to format the SD card. They are inherently broken, and should not be used!
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Hm... Will give that a go then if it does seem to make a difference. This build is currently getting stuck on Browser actually typing a website URL in.. :S Can't wait till my Samsung Galaxy S2...
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Known issue with GingerBread. Either you need to change the homepage or use a different browser... I thought I had that in the list of caveats, but I don't see it now. Sorry.
[Touch HD Android Development] rstrijdonck:
Well that saves me a great bundle of pain.. ;)

That's all fixed and without using a sim-card i've completely made a quality setup for myself now. Going to export that in a bit before I actually put the sim-card in.

1 thing though and I can't seem to find it ANYWHERE on teh interwebs.. I want to change the 3 available on-screen buttons on the homescreen.

currently:

- Phone

- Applications

- Browser

Obviously I want to replace that Browser icon by the Opera one to avoid getting stuck. Cause I just know my dumb ass is going to eventually start up the browser.. ;)

Regards,

Remon
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Change out the stock launcher. I like ADW.
[Touch HD Android Development] kulwant:
It's been almost 12 hours since i've installed GBX0A_Full_Bundle_11.3.2011.zip. The known problem's i've found with this is

1. Stucks quite alot when more than one app is opened.

2. During an incoming call the phone displays the caller details quite late. After around 7 sec.

3. Phone goes to sleep mode after a while and doesn't wake up with the power button.

4. The ts-calibration_blac.zip is a nice fix but still the phone forgets the calibration once in a while.

Will keep the thread updated with the known issues that i'll figure out.
[Touch HD Android Development] kulwant:
5. The phone goes to sleep cuz of charging. When on charging it goes into sleep.
[Touch HD Android Development] alphecca911:
just installing this now :-) hope its gooood, lots of battery pulls when downloading more than 1 app
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
some time ago,maybe in april, I compiled data.img that works perfectly and doesn't have some of issues you guys pointed out....i tried to compile it again later, and with those newer images i lose network,phone reboots on it's own and so on...try starting it first with some older kernel and then update the kernel
[Touch HD Android Development] BadCluster:
Hey! good job!

at last someone have do it!!!

i hope it's a good start!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] meonline1:
I can't get Swype because I need to connect to Internet, and my Wi-Fi has a password on it, which I cannot type. How to fix this?
[Touch HD Android Development] farukb:
it's already been answered few posts earlier...but anyway,go to any input field and long press it,input method pop up will show up,select japanese ime and do the necessary typing with it until you find a proper solution
[Touch HD Android Development] meonline1:
Thanks! This works pretty well but I am going to get Smart Keyboard Pro from the Market :)
[Touch HD Android Development] Chartre:
Waiting for SD card

Hello,

I formatted the SD card with HP Tool Fromat and I still have this problem to launch android.

I followed all the steps and finally got a black screen with Tux in the left corner and a lot of code lines that seems to be loading, but in one point it writes: "Waiting for SD card". Each second it shows new line like the before and keep that way until reset.

I would like to put here a screenshot but dont know how.

Any idea?
[Touch HD Android Development] Chartre:
I response myself, my SD card seems not be suported.

I found the info here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=658420
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Hrm, that was the first time I'd seen that thread - I didn't realize there was a "list" of cards that specifically didn't work... Perhaps Blackstone's are more picky...?

Have you tried any of the SD card speed adjustments in your startup.txt...?
[Touch HD Android Development] Alvydelis:
WiFi works, but not find WEP network. Please help
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
WEP is extremely insecure, and any script kiddie with a laptop can crack that network in less than 2 minutes.

So if you have any choice in the matter, any at all - change to WPA/2.

Anyhoo, I thought this WEP bug only effected Broadcom chipsets... as in, not Blackstone (which has a TI chipset for WLAN). Which kernel, rootfs are you using on Gingerbread? Does WEP work on FRX07.1? Gingerbread is pretty outdated compared to that bundle (I know, how backwards :p) but hopefully soon we will see an update to this bundle.
[Touch HD Android Development] Alvydelis:
Whats problem: chargin...charging....ant not charget. All night charged - 30%...

Work fine , but in 5- 10 min freez and end

---------- Post added at 08:04 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:55 AM ----------

how to change end button assigment
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
FroYo is more stable, you might want to use that build/bundle until we release another version of GB.

Change the button assignment? Can you be more descriptive? I took g3rm0's rootfs and pulled the .kl out of it, and put it in the newest rootfs so his keymap can be used. Basically makes the home key home, and the end key menu.

See my post for the updated rootfs.
[Touch HD Android Development] abcdd:
How can i install android without an sd card.

I tried to copy all files directly to the main of my touch hd (kept the files in the GBX0A folder). When I run Haret.exe it does a lot of things but then keeps asking for the sd card "waiting for SD card".

thanks!
[Touch HD Android Development] ThaiDai:
Not possible. You need an sd card for the .img files (with system or data) from original FRX07 or for ext2-partitions with CWM builds or my ThaiDai Android Loader.
[Touch HD Android Development] abcdd:
thanks for your reply.

once installed does it still uses files from the sd card or can i put it back in my other phone?

so do i need the card only for installation or as well to run android?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
You need the card for BOTH. The card is "everything" to Android. Android uses the SD card like it would most internal memory - and as far as Android is concerned, your SD card is internal memory.

It's not possible to run Android (stably) from internal memory.
[Touch HD Android Development] ThaiDai:
All files are installed on sd card! ROM (or NAND) is not used.

So you need the sd card all the time.

Before you start experiments you should first start with exactly doing what is written in the first post. If you do not have any knowledge (and it seems you don't have) but start changing from the first step, you'll never get happy and successfull.

So maybe you just follow arrrghhh's hints step by step. And I would start with FRX07 first and not with a "test" build like GingerBread. For FRX07 you need only the unchanged sd card, so it's a good way to make your first dive into Android waters.

Later you can try builds with CWM or my Android Loader
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Heed this man's words. Start with FRX07.1. Then once you're comfy, move on to CWM or ThaiDai's Loader - the requirements for both are more complex than FRX07.1, trust us!
[Touch HD Android Development] abcdd:
thank you both for your quick response.

Can I use my currect sd card without formatting it?

so I can use it again in my samsung galaxy s2 when i'm done messing around with my htc hd?
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Probably, but if you run into issues you might need to format it...
[Touch HD Android Development] fatsasss:
first of all, It's my first time using Android...

i don't understand why i have to install Android in SdCard and not in main memory.

And secondly why i must have Android(in SdCard) and Windows (in main memory), and not only Android ?

thanks
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
First of all, this thread is ancient and outdated. You should look at GBX0B if you want Gingerbread.

Second of all, to put Android on the SD card is quite safe - there's pretty much 0 risk to the phone. Flashing Android to main memory however, there is a HUGE risk. We have a functional flasher for RHOD's, but I don't think it's been (properly) adapted for BLAC.
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
Hey arrrghhh, I'm currently using FRX07 build.

I don't care about how advanced is the sistem version, I just want to know which one is faster and more stable, this one or FRX07.

Thanks in advance,

mfsr98
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
First of all, this build is really ancient. See this thread for a more updated build.

However, FRX07.1 is probably more stable. I would give GBX0B a shot, but it really depends on what is important to you.
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
Well, the important is working youtube, I don't care about bluetooth and GPS, no audio buffering, SPEED and the build must not be like the FRX07 build which, +- after one week, the apps stop working and reinstall is needed, like facebook, sd booster, and launcherPRO, that only worked one day (really hard to go to default launcher, my luck was easy cache cleaner, that makes a notification after boot and trought there it was possible).
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Youtube works fine. This build is ancient. I have no clue what you're talking about with apps stop working - I ran FRX07.1 for months on end previously, never had a problem with apps disappearing.

Now data.img corruption, mind you, is pretty much unavoidable. Perhaps if you put it on a journaled dedicated partition, I don't know. Sounds like a lot of work for very little payout, and eventual murder of your SD card because journaled FS' was never made for SD cards...
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
I didn't meant to say that the apps disappear, they just stop working unexpectadilly after some days (not all of them) and I need to reinstall, but they don't disappear from the phone. About youtube I don't know what to do... Maybe reinstall the build?

Let me tell you an example: I've downloaded launcherPRO, and after only 1 day, it stopped working and it was setup to start on boot, so, it was hard to uninstall it, but thanks to easy cache cleaner app, which made a notification on boot, I was able, trought there, to unistall launcherPRO...( now I run ZEAM launcher)

Other apps that stopped working after some days were sd-booster, facebook, facebook messenger, abduction, jewels,hotmail, xda app(this one doesn't work at all), but if I reinstall they will work for maybe a week, but then, they stop working again, reinstall is needed...
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
Never had that problem, but of all those apps you list I've only used the XDA app. That has always worked great for me. LP used to work well as well, but I prefer ADW myself.

Either way, the fix_permissions script (Google it, tis a CyanogenMod thing) might help if it's just one or two apps.
[Touch HD Android Development] mfsr98:
thanks, but I will try GBX0B.

EDIT 1: I'll try it on GBX0B, since I have the same problem there, but I don't get so well how to use it...Can you do a quick guide?
[Touch HD Android Development] disaster2009:
Hi, can you put some screnshoots background from this version android ? Thanks :D
[Touch HD Android Development] arrrghhh:
This build is ancient, please see the GBX0B thread. You can get screenshots from running it - tis AOSP Android, nothing crazy.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ant667:
Has anyone got any video games like runescape to work yet?
[HTC Sensation] pangjeff:
I just thought it would be nice to get a bell sensation thread going so we can discuss things such as where it was purchased, screen type/quality, build quality/ and rom version + any lag (if any) experienced

This would be nice as bell sensations seem to be the minority in this forum, and I know there are a lot of Canadian HTC fans as well!