yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt General] DeTard:
Quite frankly, if you can't follow the "manual" guide, you have no business rooting. Don't root for the sake of rooting, root because you're learned in the process and the reasoning of rooting. "OMG THEMES!!!1!!" is not a reason.
[Thunderbolt General] abn75:
Frankly i couldn't agree with you more

sent from my bolt
[Thunderbolt General] yumms:
I have to disagree with that. I didn't follow the manual guide to root, it was too tedious, too many steps. I rooted for sake of rooting, I had no intentions of learning the process and the reasoning of rooting.

I used the 3 click method to root and now I'm enjoying CM7.

I suggest all the 1st time rooters do the same. Its safe and easy.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
And the guy who gave him the crooked nose would be in prison... Idiot... Cause violence is your solution... better right!?
[Thunderbolt General] DeTard:
You consider the 3 click safe when the guide itself actually talks about what to do when the program crashes? No, it is not safe and many devs and other people have spent ridiculous amounts of time fixing problems caused by these so-called "easy" methods.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
So when you have a problem you have no clue what to do about it!? Dude... I'm not trying to be rude here, but this is LAZY! If you are going to learn to do something learn the right way so you don't have to make a post a few minutes later about screwing up and not knowing jack squat about ADB...
[Thunderbolt General] DeTard:
He didn't say violence was better, he was stating that if he was this much of a jackass in person, SOMEONE would have beat his ass for it. Not everyone, but he would have ran into someone that would have refused to tolerate that non-sense. Anyhow, you should stay away from making the ad hominem argument regardless. Ad hominem = insta-fail.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
He's still an idiot. Hey he made the comment about violence not me. Just shows how "smart" people really are... If he doesn't learn ADB what's the point? The point of life is to learn not to have everything done for you. Ignorance turns people into idiots...

EDIT: Nonetheless some moron would be in jail for the violence lol.
[Thunderbolt General] DeTard:
Exactly. The manual method gives you a much higher chance of success as well as gives people a chance to ask for help if they get stuck or mess something up in the process. Easy methods do too much without verbosity, and you don't really know what it is that you're doing. When you know, you can ask for help.

Also understand this. I was a moron when I rooted my phone the first time. I did the 3-click solution because I TOO was lazy about it. The program did crash as the guide said it might, and I still stupidly went through it. Why? Because I didn't know any better. While successful, I highly recommend against following in my footsteps. I have since gone through the manual steps, and I actually understand what each step does, and I can see where each MD5 check is there for your safety. It makes sure there is no corruption in the files you downloaded, the files you copied, and no corruption in the actual flash process.
[Thunderbolt General] mAlfunkti0n:
Personally, not learning the process of the "hard" way (it's not hard.. at all) is a mistake. You don't understand the steps that the automated way takes you, so if something fails it's even more difficult to resolve it. Check the MD5 hashes and follow the steps. You will learn during the process, which is always a positive.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
Yea I was clueless about ADB and always wanted an easy way myself. Then I realized how flawed they can be and shortly realized the easy way is to learn ADB. ;p
[Thunderbolt General] DeTard:
Not necessarily. :) I've been decked in a bar before for being a smartass, even had a sheriff's deputy arrive, and the dude walked. But mostly because I knew I was being a smartass and deserved it for saying it to an obviously drunk guy that was much bigger than me. Either way, there's no reason to start name calling, but rather point out what you see as idiocy by pushing them in the direction you think they should go.
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
Really?

Completely unnecessary...this is part of the reason XDA has become what it has. Lets not scare people off so quickly.

Easier to say, its not that difficult, instructions in the thread are straight forward, we've all been there. Post in the thread or IRC if you need help.
[Thunderbolt General] yumms:
Exactly why I chose that method, because I'm lazy. I followed the few steps and had no issues at all.

I saved myself time and frustrations of the manual method. And if I had screwed up something I would not have asked for help on this forum...well at least not anymore. As many folks here would've just made bunch on unfunny comments instead of helping. I'd ask for help on other forums.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
It's not scaring them off. People need to stop searching for the quick ways. They don't understand and need some stuff beaten into their heads. That and I'm just an asshole :-)
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
Then you'd get the same repsonses and have to replace your phone... End result buddy just learn it. It's actually easier...
[Thunderbolt General] yumms:
That doesn't make any sense. I already rooted my phone with the easy method, because it was easier than the manual method. And I didn't screw up.
[Thunderbolt General] evilmunkeh:
This guy isn't lazy everyone. He just owns a cellphone store and wants to charge people to root & ROM their phones. Since the current method isn't automated, there's no way he can turn a profit on doing it manually since it will simply take too long.

Please don't come down so hard on people who are trying to profit off of other developers blood, sweat and tears who offer these solutions and software for free. It's just not right. This is XDA afterall, no?
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
The bigger issue is that he doesn't understand, searching only helps if you know what to search for. It's easier to berate than educate. Take a minute to pay it forward dude, one day you'll need help on a topic you're unfamiliar with.

And yes, he did post in the wrong section but we've learned recently that the mods aren't that active over here, so until it gets moved, let's stop treating eachother like %#$!!
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
It will make sense when you have a problem and have no clue what to do about it. It's really not the easier method. If you learn the real way you will understand why. There is so much more to do when you know ADB man.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
Mods jobs suck lol. I didn't mean to come off so rude, but I would bet that he doesn't even care about learning. From past history the vast majority of people want everything done the easy/lazy way. It's the culture that irritates me to be honest.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
Assault is still assault though. Not like he'd spend alot of time. But I bet if you really pressed charges you would be even a bigger smartass mocking him ha ha ha. That makes me laugh :-). I've been in a very many situations like that :-)
[Thunderbolt General] USAFgunner:
People actually pay people to root phones and flash ROM's? All the ones I do are free of charge and if I brick it, I would probably buy them a replacement or at least pay for an insurance replacement. I do it because I learn something new with every different phone I do. I have to say the optimus s was the hardest one I did. Not the root process but getting a recovery console flashed. I agree with most people here, it is better to learn it so when you need to ask for help you can give them the info needed to help you.

If you are running a store, you shouldnt be making money off of others hard work. Maybe you should learn how to develop your own ROM's or at the very least ask the dev who's ROM you are installing if it is okay and share the royalties with them.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
I think/hope he was being sarcastic... More like hope...
[Thunderbolt General] Morkai Almandragon:
There is a serious disconnect here between the tech savvy and the average Joe forming here.

Both sides are right, and both are crucially wrong.

The fact is if you LEARN to use ADB and do it the "hard" way you are better off.

Another FACT however is that MANY people started rooting with 1 click methods, got comfortable with rooting, and have later grown into developers and themers.

This community is not just built on the backs of those that develop and have a knack for the technical. It is built by fans, and yes, sometimes it sucks holding someones hands through a partial "brick". But with EACH AND EVERY ONE of those people here, we gain power in numbers, we gain leverage with the telecoms.

Make no mistake, when you decide that others MUST do something your way, or not at all, you have crossed the line into elitism and are no longer furthering the very reasons we love XDA.

I show people my rooted phone with PRIDE, and when I tell them where they can learn how to do the same, I have no desire to have them come here and be called idiots because they want a simple method to do something. Should they know the risks, and be prepared to have to take a crash course, sure.

Should they be forced into a lengthy frustrating ADB install, learning to code, or forced to nervously input pasted commands that do not mean jack or **** to them?

I read constantly that the root methods are soooo easy, you just have to copy and paste... Tell me, do those that copy and paste, and don't have a clue what they are pasting really come out any better than those that don't? And just how often is this even beneficial? I have had countless friends root with one click roots, and NOT ONE has bricked. But I GUARANTEE many of them would never have bothered if they had to install drivers, install ADB, find out how to edit their "windows path" etc etc.

Are we here to help people get more out of their devices? If so it seems that this elitism is completely counter productive.
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
I've seen that often as well, and I agree that doing it the manual way is fulfilling and adb is a good tool to have.

I just hope he really isn't trying to make money off of it, lol. He better cut Jcase in on the profits, lol.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
The thing is for me at least I know the hell I went through trying to fix stuff I didn't even know I broke. It's preventive maintenance in a way having people look up info on ADB. Mainly so that they can fix it for themselves and understand what they are doing.
[Thunderbolt General] Slack3r:
I actually wish rooting the TB was a lot harder, this way we would have a lot less people with no idea what's going on. To people rooting others' phones for either profit or fun, you are part of the problem. I flat out refuse to root other peoples' phones, however I am more than happy to help them out if they get stuck on something during the process.
[Thunderbolt General] thunderbread:
mrcookjr

i sent you a PM with instructions......good luck!
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
What's with all this smiley non-sense... People are all happy now... Dammit. Back to my hole of misery lol :-)
[Thunderbolt General] MrKleen1:
I'm surprised I made it so far into this thread but I'm glad I did. This is one of the best posts I've read in a long time!

I've wanted to send people here for information but I think twice knowing if they ask a question they will get slammed by someone who has been here a couple days longer.

Thank you to those that simply answer questions or offer helpful opinions. Everyone is new at some point.
[Thunderbolt General] Morkai Almandragon:
Again, you should be careful what you wish for. You do realize that MANY developers you count on today may not be here if there was not an "easy method" to get them hooked.

Maybe you do not realize, but there was a time when We were all on windows mobile, and MANY of the people creating roms used some fairly easy to learn Kitchens. Some devs started there then eventually moved on to learning how to do it manually. I believe Adryn started this way.

Just like this, there were those that argued no one should be aloud to use the "easy way". They had good reasons, just like you. But where would we be if they got there way?

I am no dev, and I would like to have said I have contributed more, but I have been around this scene a good while. and I have done it ALWAYS using the same handle, I do not hide behind the internet. There has always been a balance between the techies and people who just want a better phone.

That balance is NEEDED. neither should be putting the other down for any reason.
[Thunderbolt General] Slack3r:
I see your point, but all developers had to learn this stuff at some point. The problem with most users and an easy root method, is that they virtually have no knowledge of anything before and after they root, and go on to flash custom roms and complain when they have no idea how to use them. There is no reason for them to learn anything serious, instead they go on threads and complain and ask questions without searching. A more difficult root method would at least get them searching around the forums for answers, and get them more familiar with the process.

It just annoys me to no end when people simply do not read, and continuously spam others with questions that have already been answered. The same type of people expect to download a gingerbread rom and have it work perfectly, nevermind the fact that it was built off an alpha and it's simply amazing that the devs have gotten them as stable as they are. Now I have no issues with people asking questions, but to expect people to answer you immediately without doing your own research is getting ridiculous, even more so when it's right in public view.
[Thunderbolt General] Morkai Almandragon:
Lets break this down

This is not really a problem IMHO. We are here to educate, and I think many of us get a thrill out of doing it. I am sure quite a few people here root for friends that fall directly into this category.

NOW THIS! This is a problem. But I think you will find that those that do this, will do it whether they know anything or not. The idea that forcing people into a complicated root process will somehow remove this type of person from the equation is folly IMHO. We DO NOT in fact have an easy root, and we are SWIMMING in them. Come to think of it, I think we have more than the Eris did, and rooting was a JOKE for it after a while. We have no fewer threads begging for help than any other phone Ive used (except the DX, and that was because the DX was a f&%ing PITA).

Again knowledge of ADB etc has NEVER had any correlation to this. plenty of tech savvy people here FAIL at search. It does not help that half the time I search here it is broken either...
[Thunderbolt General] MisterDonut:
Everyone Shut UP.. because of this emotional ranting bs. Chingy and BAMF left.. Please STFU and let the thread die if you don't have anything useful to say. I'm new to XDA, and i already know we lost a big big part of our community due to emotional *****ing.. Just because your boss yells at you, or if your significant other don't give 2cents about your ass, doesn't mean you can take your anger out on XDA.. Find your confidence and inner peace elsewhere HOE!
[Thunderbolt General] sidsixseven:
To the OP, I would wander over to the http://www.thunderboltforums.com/ for help on the basics. I enjoy XDA, but it is like swimming with the sharks and you are still in the kiddie pool. We'll get you squared away over there if you want to get rooted.

To answer your original question, there likely won't be a one-click method for the Thunderbolt because of the downgrade step. As others have posted, the manual root process is not as difficult as it sounds.
[Thunderbolt General] Morkai Almandragon:
WTF Who you callin a Hoe!?

:D

VERY good advice. I have used quite a few forums over the years in a way very similar to this. besides, some of the trash talk that goes on between other forums and XDA can be quite humorous:)
[Thunderbolt General] thunderbread:
This is the sad **** that xda has become. One person asks a question and instead of answering the question all this bs is posted. Pretty childish.
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
Yup. I said it yesterday and I'll say it again. The inmates are running the asylum.
[Thunderbolt General] thunderbread:
LOL. So true. Spending more time now with rootzwiki and teambamf.net
[Thunderbolt General] HoosierRealtor:
I found a pretty easy one click method on Android central forums. I used it several times as I was learning what I was doing and putting my phone back to stock and re-rooting. I actually used the manual way once I became more confident in what I was doing.

I still have no idea how to check the md5 sum, but there is no way I'm going to ask on here.
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
Download astro file manager. Navigate to the file, long press it and select "details". Give it a few seconds and it will give you the md5. Some of us are actually here to help ;)
[Thunderbolt General] Upstreammiami:
feel free to like my page and ill root the phone for you http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-ROOT-man/253991144614768
[Thunderbolt General] snicklet:
I never knew that you could check md5 sums that way... thanks for posting that info.
[Thunderbolt General] mallen462:
Here's a easy root method http://db.tt/SyIDvQM

freedom of speech I love Jesus, God, Yahweh, Allah and Krishna. Bad XDA, Free Clay!
[Thunderbolt General] dieselhomey:
I used this YouTube video... easy as cake....
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
Does the tab support boot sounds? I tried some pushes but nothing plays and everything I find online are for phones (how to's, tuts etc)

Anyone know?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gowtham.n.mail:
Sorry for posting again ... my original post dissapered !!!

I have the following 2 options ... what do i do?

Calculations ...

Option 1 (buying unlocked phone)

Cost of unlocked phone - $700

Cost of plan - $50 per month in prepaid. Assuming 2 year stay ($50 * 24 = $1200)

Cost of some dumb phone for prepaid - $10

SO total cost is 700+1200+10=$1910.

Option 2 (buy from ATT)

Cost (expected) of phone - $300

Cost of plan - $40 for voice, $10 for messaging, and $25 for 2 GB per month data plan.

SO totally $75 + taxes = $80. For 2 years contract - $80 * 24 = 1920

SO total cost is 300+1920=$2220.

Thus, Option 1 is cheaper. Also in option 1 everything (including data) is unlimited :) .

Why is prepaid so much cheaper than postpaid!! Are there some disadvantages in prepaid that I dont know??

I heard that in prepaid, the 3G data speed will be slower that postpaid!! Is it TRUE !! ?? :eek:

Also, I am buying the unlocked phone in INDIA, which uses the normal sized sim card. So, if ATT gives micro sim card, will it work in mine?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Archer:
Here you go mate...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1166641
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gowtham.n.mail:
looks like the original thread went to then 2nd page ..

Anyway, can someone please reply to the query above?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kbiz90:
Not true. AT&T only offers unlimited data to feature phones, not smartphones like the SGS2. Of course, you can always deceive AT&T and see if they notice. Your call.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gowtham.n.mail:
yes, I think i can deceive ATT. Thats what many people say.

So, I will go for option 1 since it is cheaper. :) and buy an unlocked phone then buy a cheap prepaid phone from ATT, and then use that simcard in the unlocked galaxy s2.

Also, in the unlocked phone there is space for the normal size sim card. What if the prepaid phone from ATT has micro sim? How to make it work in the galaxy s2?

Is the internet speed slow for prepaid connections than postpaid?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kbiz90:
The AT&T sim card fits the SGS2. The coverage is not quite the same for pre-paid plans. You gotta look it up and see if it affects you. It shouldn't in most metro areas. You get 4G (the AT&T non-LTE 4G) speeds.

I went into the AT&T store at told them I wanted a pre-paid plan. I didn't have to buy a pre-paid phone. They didn't even ask me what I kind of phone I had.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gowtham.n.mail:
thanks,

I will stay at minneapolis ... and there is prepaid coverage there ..

So, u say that the 3g/4g speeds for prepaid is same as that of postpaid right?

Also, why is prepaid so much cheaper that postpaid? Are there some disadvantages with prepaid that i am not aware of?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] defnow:
someone please correct me if im wrong..but i was told by a at&t employee that..

a prepaid phone ..which gives unlimited everything does not apply to smartphones..

which is why i believe its cheaper. again, someone may correct me..not sure if the at&t employee was just feeding me BS.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kbiz90:
The speeds are the same FOR ME. Actually, faster with the pseudo AT&T 4G. However, buyer beware. Don't blame me if your mileage varies. :)

Why cheaper? Competition. Lots of carriers are doing it and AT&T wants a piece of the pre-paid pie. Plus, AT&T doesn't have to recoup the cost of their subsidized phones. But again, AT&T is not offering unlimited everything to the SGS2.

Personally, I see the SGS2 as a mobile computer/internet device and emergency phone. So with a pre-paid plan I don't have to subsidize everyone else if I don't talk all day on the phone and stream Netflix movies.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kbiz90:
True. But people do it because they can get away with it. Sticking it to da man! :D
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gowtham.n.mail:
Hi. Is it illegal? I am not a US citizen. I caome fro india. So, dont want to get into any leagal troubles. :)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gowtham.n.mail:
Hi,

What if i buy a phone from ATT in contract, then not pay the compulsary $15 per month, and insted throw away that sim, and use some another sim? Can ATT take any action against me?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 02ferreiravilarl:
do it for free

there is an app from chainfire that can unlock galaxy s2... its in the marketplace
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gowtham.n.mail:
So, if i unlock the ATT phone, then can i stop paying ATT completely? including the monthly $15 for data? So, its like I got the phone very cheaply and then I dont pay anything to ATT later? Is it even possible?!!
[HTC Incredible S] hashnoz:
hi i have incredible s canadian version sasktel and i have try to install rom from ruu and i renamed it to pg32img.zip and i install from bootloader and when it finish the appear cid incorrect and failed and the device now is freezing on bootloader and it appear Security Warning and s-on and i cant use usb connection..how can i installed the orginal rom via memory card or what?

any body can help me??
[HTC Incredible S] tpbklake:
Before you attempted this, did you run AlphaRevX to gain S-OFF? Which RUU were you attempting to install? There was another thread about this 'Security Warning' on the HBOOT screen and I'm not sure the OP was able to get this resolved.
[HTC Incredible S] hashnoz:
yes the phone was s-off but after i install the rom the phone back to s-onn now i cant connect via usb or connection just it appear 'Security Warning' how can install orginal rom?
[HTC Incredible S] tpbklake:
Here is the other thread about the Security Warning. You may want to read through it and see if any of the suggestions will work for you.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1136041
[HTC Incredible S] Freka:
The only way to get out of that is by flashing the stock RUU the phone came with. In your case it would have to be Sasktel and if that doesn't work because you receive the error "Main Version is Older!" then your screwed. Your going to have to wait until Sasktel or Bell releases their official gingerbread updates.

I am in the exact same boat as I am the composer of the thread from above lol.