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[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
We all pay for Sprint data.

And I've probably used at most, in my lifetime maybe 200 kb of data via tethering. I don't abuse my privilege, so I can't speak on behalf of those that do. Although I do think it's wrong for Sprint to charge a fee like that when you're already paying for data. I wouldn't ever let people eat off my plate if I got an all I can eat buffet because that's different.

EDIT: I've never hit over 2 GB in a month, so throttling wouldn't happen to me.
[HTC EVO 3D] mcmikecruz1:
I dont even use my data much less tether , my signal is so poor that 99% of the time I use wifi from my home internet
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Yeah I know its not its not all people that abuse it.. and i rarely tether my self maybe 4 or 5 times a month when I'm at my girlfriends where she has no internet.. and i still pay the 30 dollar fee...

But i agree completely its just not in the cards... But I'm sure we will have free tethering so no big deal

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[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
It's really not of a big deal, if they wanted to do a simple unlock they'd just send a signed update to toggle the security flag.

But they probably don't want to do exactly that. They probably want to add some kind of mechanism of permanently marking the phone as having been rooted to possibly void your warranty should you choose to do so. They'd also want to add some kind of process of going through a disclaimer upon doing so. That could mean rewriting significant portions of hboot. That alone wouldn't take much time, but an update itself is a pretty bureaucratic process when it has to be done with the cooperation of the carrier.
[HTC EVO 3D] sn0b0ard:
I appreciate that HTC at least says they will unlock it, but the time frame is not good. Most early adopters will be out of their 30 day return with Sprint; including myself. I posted earlier on the Sprint forum regarding bootloader discussions and some (alleged) Sprint Admin tried to argue that people break their phones while rooting / unlocking, then unbrick it and return it to the Carrier. Not everyone is going to root their phone, so I can't see how this would be a huge issue; not to mention if someone unbricks a phone and the Carrier accepts it returned, then it's obviously in some working condition isn't it? It seems like the whole issue of voiding warranties, wifi-tethering, root system access is getting out of hand and that HTC / Sprint made a deliberate decision to lock our bootloaders. The fact that we can't develop for the Evo 3D because there is no source code yet should have people upset as it is. I don't like HTC or Sprint telling me what I can or can't do with my device. /rant
[HTC EVO 3D] ultra78721:
What about the HTC Evo shift? They sure got that one from 2.2 to 2.3 hella fast :eek:...Sprints favorite is HTC..obviously if you want the latest OS from sprints phone line up then HTC EVO is the way to go.

My personal preference is decent hardware but priority is latest OS:D
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
Are you kidding, Samsung has had issues with bricking on several of their otas and had to have them pulled. It's more common than you think.
[HTC EVO 3D] iitreatedii:
uhhhhh...because not everyone buys this phone on release day...fail
[HTC EVO 3D] lyric911:
Yes, please do. I've never encountered so many petulant cry-babies - and I know petulant cry babies, I'm from the internet after all.
[HTC EVO 3D] lyric911:
So you're comparing applying a root/bootloader/etc. that somebody else developed/tested to authoring one? Clearly they are the same thing.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
BIG Difference there. your comparing something they are pushing out for the FIRST time to something HTC has had since day 1 sitting on their dev units. .000000001% chance of brick by flashing the same signed bootloader they have on all their dev units.

I was comparing the bootloader they have and their dev's use(ENG-Hboot) NOT the new way they plan to unlock the device. This ofcourse will require much more testing than if they just pushed out the ENG-Hboot to everyone or put a signed copy of it on their dev section.
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
Ill bet this thing is gonna come with a catch when it does come out.
[HTC EVO 3D] Genjinaro:
Uhh T-Mobile. I only know this because its been rubbed in my face ever so often. :p
[HTC EVO 3D] Senorkabob:
Amen.

I assume all of you knew about the locked bootloader before you bought this device.
[HTC EVO 3D] PM-Performance:
I dont see the big stink over waiting another month or two to be honest.

Compared to my rooted 4g's I cannot say there is anything this phone cannot do that the 4G rooted did other then running wifi tether and allowing me to put on half cooked roms that never really get finished and lacking in functionality anyway.

its nice to tweak things, but the phone works phenominal as is so I dont have a problem with waiting.
[HTC EVO 3D] mazook98:
Is CM7 a half-cooked Rom?

Or even MIUI?

Just Checking...

Also, Chainfire would be nice...Playing Shadow Guardian and Riptide on my Nook or OGEVO is cool and all, but I want to see how they run on this OC'd to 1.8 mhz......

Sent from my 3DeeVo
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
It doesn't matter how long they have had it, and my point still stands. Samsung had had the updates for a while, and still bricked a metric butt ton of phones via OTA. You could flash the update via Odin and it wouldn't brick, but the OTA update bricked a healthy portion.
[HTC EVO 3D] hypersonicx:
Last I checked on the Evo4G and Epic MiUI was lacking 4G and a bunch of other stuff. I don't mind waiting either. There do be some good roms but a lot don't be as stable as stock.
[HTC EVO 3D] unknown_owner:
So now no one can or will return their phones. Smart HTC, just smart.
[HTC EVO 3D] ktrotter11:
Ur phone prolly wouldnt even boot at 1.8mhz lmao

but we knew what you meant tho
[HTC EVO 3D] novanosis85:
I don't see the problem. We have an ETA and a promise.
[HTC EVO 3D] housry23:
Maybe since agrabren told them about the exploit, HTC will leak to him the update. That would be cool of HTC to do. I know this will probably never happen, but hopefully a leak gets published somewhere. I guess I gotta go thank HTC on their Facebook page considering I blew it up before this announcement. I am ok with it taking a couple months too. I just hope it gets leaked or cracked by someone before they unlock it, then we wouldn't have to take their OTA and wouldn't get "watermarked" if the phone has been unlocked if that is what they're gonna do.
[HTC EVO 3D] phatmanxxl:
Actually its "silently brilliant"

Even if it did have a watermark or flag, im sure some Modding can block that.
[HTC EVO 3D] Semantics:
23 and grown up is an oxymoron. You may be "grown up" because you are at the age to do all things legal, but seriously, you aren't grown up. I mean no offense, but I look at the things I was doing at 20 years ago when I was your age, and yeah. You'll see. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Yea I know a dev for hd2 that used to remove watermarks. So yes it can be done.

Sent from my 3rd Dimension of Evolution
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
still wrong. your not comparing apples to apples here. im talking about the eng-hboot which is on all their dev phones and has been since day one so it is stable and as stable as it gets. the ota would only include that and nothing else. risk of brick slim and none.

your discussing an actual update with samsung which likely included bunch of fixes and in no case is near the same as what im talking about.

hell put it on their dev section in a signed zip so we can flash the eng-hboot and risk of brick is still low. only brick would come from user error with a bad DL, and NOT HTC.

To point though i agree since they are not just issuing the ENG-Hboot and doing the unlock some other way, b/c of this they should test the hell out of it as they will be developing a new way to unlock the device in a sense.
[HTC EVO 3D] mswlogo:
"Grown up's" don't call themselves "Grown up" :)
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Well that may be true.. but I am an adult and do have a immature side.. its not like I need to defend my self but i did... So deal with it :b

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] rabid platypus:
While I think that it is highly likely we will see the phone unlocked. Sprint still has final approval and they can block the update from being released. I doubt they do but anything is possible. (That's not to mention, the update wouldn't mysteriously find it's way onto the interwebs shortly thereafter anyways.)
[HTC EVO 3D] kthejoker20:
A pre-update "update software to support bootloader unlocking" before they unlock it.

Sounds to me like they want to update the phone so that once you unlock it, its permenantly marked as UNLOCKED voiding your warranty.

DO NOT UPDATE YOUR PHONE. You will be screwed and won't be able to return it to stock, to keep your warranty, in case your phone breaks.
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
So basically your saying I'm wrong, they can just release the eng-hboot. Then say they are not, yet still keeping the same slim to none thought. I see what you did there, well played.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Was saying we agree in a sense but that if they just used the eng-hboot then risk is slim to none of bricking. Big diff when they choose to not go that route. They had an easy way to do this but chose not to.
[HTC EVO 3D] cordell12:
Something like the ability is delivered via OTA and to do the unlock you must take the phone into sprint, flagged no matter what :eek:
[HTC EVO 3D] hockeyfamily737:
I find it hard to believe at this point that HTC or Sprint will one day unlock our phones with no strings attached. Not considering the great lengths they've gone through to lock it down this tight in the first place. All my faith's in our developers at this point, so I'll just keep rocking the launch day software and perm/temp root until something finally breaks one way or the other.
[HTC EVO 3D] eman3316@optonline.net:
Kid, you obviously have a lot more growing up to do.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Advice from a random person on the internet is taken with a grain of salt...

Thanks for your concern tho!

Can you just drop the "im more mature and grown up" bull **** and get back on topic or get your self lost?

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] shalkith:
I'm new with rooting. Does them pushing this update turn s-off?
[HTC EVO 3D] eman3316@optonline.net:
I new you would prove my point in a matter of minutes.

Moving on.......
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Yes it does.

Thank god

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] eman3316@optonline.net:
No it doesn't. It will allow the Dev's to achieve s-off but will not be pushed to our phone with s-off. No public released phone has come with s-off.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Actually there had been a couple of phones with s-off that were public releases. there was a dude in the dev section that had one.

Sent from my 3rd Dimension of Evolution
[HTC EVO 3D] sniperkill:
Well you need to keep your "Jew" jokes to yourself. It is offensive, and just cuz you said," I don't mean the Jew joke to be offensive", doesn't mean you didn't mean it in a offensive mannor. Americans are every bit as money tight as Jews are.
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
I don't think we have an official answer on this either way. However, HTC did say that they would unlock the bootloader, not just remove encryption... This leads me to believe that it may give us S-OFF upon running the OTA.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I think you need to go look around and see the more offensive thing posted rather than singling one person out .. better yet go tell a mod... It's done its over with I will keep Jew jokes off the forum... But now that you singled out one user who did wrong go mini mod everyone else....

Everyone needs to stop acting all "high and mighty"

Half of you are so ****ing hypocritical its unbelievable... Get off your high horse I bet most of you told black jokes Jew jokes or blonde jokes...

Those that take offence obviously think more highly of them selfs compared to others and that my friend is egotistical

Tell me to grow up... Or your immature... But before doing so look in the mirror

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[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
Being offended by an offensive joke is considered mini-modding?
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
No complaining and putting down the "offender" rather than taking the right course and reporting it is...

Basically instead of "preaching" do somethin.g about it... If you don't have the power contact someone who does.. rather than taking it into your own hands and starting a argument..

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[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
Xda doesn't have moderation at all. If it did the majority of the people would be on a temp ban right now. Basically the self important attitudes of the folks who own this phone are really really starting to show. The minority of folks who are actually doing something positive are overshadowed by the loud mouthed majority. even if this phone gets full root and everyone's cherished unlocked bootloader I honestly feel the good developers will be gone.

I honestly never imagined I could find a worse community that the one that followed the epic, I'm starting to realize how wrong I was. I hope the best for this phone, but I expect the worst.

So how about this, instead of all of you blabbering about how bad you are butt-hurt why don't you try to help someone, like one of the wonderful people trying to achieve something with this phone. Even if you don't know a lot about hacking to gain root, or s-off opinions are always welcome, sometimes the most ignorant thought is the one that works.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I agree

I made a bad joke and know it... If you all need a formal apology here it is...

......I'm sorry......

Now I don't need to share this because most will think I'm egotistical

I've help a lot of people and shared a lot of information

Along with porting roms and help with themes

And started the g2x sub forum (well put a request in to get it started by a admin/mod)

So to put a reason on why I am a "ignorant ****"

I think I almost have to be becuase of all the "bull****". On this forum... A month before this phone was out it was Hell

Now without a shipped unlocked bootloader IT'S every man for himself...

I think it will get better... But not anytime soon

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
The evo 4g's forums were nearly as bad as this. Trolls are everywhere on xda, but to be totally honest it wasn't even that bad for the Epic...
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Epic forums had what a third of the users the EVO 4G does

Less users = less trolls

More users = more personality/trolls/ass holes

Vibrant forums where kinda good

G2x forums where a little bad

Nexus s forums where strictly business

EVO 4G forums where a mess

EVO 3d forums is chaos

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[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
Lol I suppose you're right. We should do a test to see which board has the most trolls.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Id be scared of the results

I will put 50. On the EVO 4G and 3vo forums being in the top 5

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
+1 on this due to vast amount of users
[HTC EVO 3D] str8upx:
100% sure the exploit that gave temp root will be closed with update, if not a lot sooner. Not sure with s-off will be able to flash rooted roms or not. It may be that this will kill root and tethering etc. This could force us to choose between root or s-off.

Hopefully none of this will matter in 2 months.
[HTC EVO 3D] str8upx:
In 2 months time those "half baked roms" could have reached RC and have most of the "lacking functionality" issues resolved.. So you still have to add on another 2 months (at least)
[HTC EVO 3D] eman3316@optonline.net:
I believe those were development phones or pre-production phones. Not phones where someone just purchased it in a store and was like wow, look at that, my phone has s-off.
[HTC EVO 3D] motoelliot:
Their September ETA is probably a conservative estimate... (Let's hope) my only worry is someone else mentioned a sprint "kill switch"... If so, maybe the outstanding devs can find a work around... I for one am rooting for team-win or anyone else to find a exploit for the bootloader. Given enough time they'll find it. Either way patience is key.

Sent from 3D A.W.E.S.O.M-O
[HTC EVO 3D] mswlogo:
It should not take 2 months to do what was asked.

Something is up their (HTC/Sprint) sleeves.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Actually thats exactly what it was

Sent from my 3rd Dimension of Evolution
[HTC EVO 3D] jyan_osu:
You would be surprised at it just being nothing other than resources and testing. I've worked on plenty of projects for major corps where changes took a few days and only implemented after a few months of red tape and testing. I know folks love conspiracies and such, but sometimes it's just the way corporations work. Besides, HTC has a bunch of other phones to support to. It's not like they have a team for each phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] sn0b0ard:
At this point we have no idea what Sprint or HTC are going to do. We are just told that they (HTC) will start unlocking the phones by August / September. I don't think that anymore speculation is needed in regards to how HTC / Sprint will unlock the phones or if there will be some sort of 'kill switch'. We should all be careful in what we say, as I am sure HTC / Sprint read these forums. We don't want to give them any 'evil' ideas on how to restrict what we do with our phones. Therefore, until we hear something official, I think we should keep putting pressure on HTC / Sprint to stick to their word and stop speculating about how they will do it. /just my opinion
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
+1

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[HTC EVO 3D] toneman1984:
+2

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[HTC EVO 3D] mevensen:
Just remember, I don't Sprint has given their word on anything, yet. So, HTC could very well come through on their end, only to have Sprint nix it. Unlikely, but possible.

It's likely that the time does involve making the proper arrangements with Sprint.

Also, considering how deeply Sense, etc. is integrated, I wouldn't be surprised if changes to the system required other changes to how Sense (or some of its parts) works with the system. At the very least, they may need to test to make sure they haven't broken anything with any changes they make.
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
Nope. This functionality has existed since the first development-grade evo3d prototype booted up. Only in the last few cycles of development did a crypto-signed bootloader even come into the equation. Only in the 'going gold' point in development did what was to be the majority of evo3ds become crypto-signed.

So, they took the functionality that we are requesting out pretty much in the last minute...'sense' is deeply integrated into android, but even android isn't that deeply integrated into the bootloader.
[HTC EVO 3D] Cubfan99:
Yep, back to the store with this. Won't buy again until it's unlocked. And if a better phone is out before then, oh well.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mysticdrew:
Any of you guys experience this ? I'm on ota 2.3.4 unlocked and rooted. Not sure if this is a result of being unlocked or on 2.3.4 as it's been a week or so since I charged when phone was turned off.

Before : Phone off, plug in charger, phone starts to boot into the green battery charging screen, and if I wanted to boot fully, then press power button and it boots.

Now: Phone off, plug in charger, phone starts to boot, but no green battery screen, gets stuck at first red Moto logo screen. Holding power button does not get it to continue to boot. Only way out is to unplug, take out battery, put battery back in, and turn on phone without it being plugged in.

Overall, not a big deal as I mostly charge with the phone on and can continue to do so, but wanted to see if any others who are either unlocked or on 2.3.4 have experienced the same issue. anyone?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pl0p:
funny. i just answered this question a second ago here http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15538419&postcount=9

hope it helps!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] CdTDroiD:
does anyone know where the .png's and stuff are for the HTC Sense 3.0 or 2.1 app drawers are?

Trying to find the divider between scrolling screens
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Mr.AdAbsurdum:
Not sure what the directories is on yours but it'll be in the framework-Res.apk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] CdTDroiD:
Nah its not in there, thay was the first place I checked
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Mr.AdAbsurdum:
Then it must be in the launcher.apk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Mikenif:
Rosie.apk and youll find the notification area stuff in systemUI.apk
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sublimejosh2000:
I cannot seem to get my phone to just go into charge only mode. I haven't been able to for a while, is there a fix for this?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mvgc3:
If you're talking about what I think you are, go to Settings, Applications, Development and uncheck Stay Awake. I had the same problem and that seemed to have fixed it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sublimejosh2000:
This will allow for me to turn the phone off and plug in the charger and the phone will go into the "Charging" mode instead of booting up... mine just sits on the motor logo and never goes into that mode... I am using tenfars newest recovery and beta 4 gingerbread... not sure if those could affect this charging mode...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mysticdrew:
Sounds like the question I just asked a couple min before you... but yea, same problem, phone off , plug in, phone stuck at moto logo.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sublimejosh2000:
It requires a battery pull also.... wonder what is causing this...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mysticdrew:
My guess is either 2.3.4 (i'm on the "ota" version and you're on hktw) or being unlocked.

Leaning towards unlock... but who knows. Anyone unlocked not on 2.3.4 have this issue?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] totalimmortal363:
Better question. Why are you turning it off to charge it? Just plug it in.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mysticdrew:
Sometimes u drain your battery to the point it shuts off. And sometimes you want a quicker charge. I don't think he needs to validate why though...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pl0p:
i had the same problem. i would drain the battery accidentally, plug the phone into the charger, and it would hang on the moto logo. i would have to pull the battery after letting it charge for a while and it would boot up.

i'm almost certain all you have to do is go into System Recovery and click on charge mode. i don't think it matters if your phone is plugged in or not. just give it time to reboot on its own.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sublimejosh2000:
I am not using the old version of tenfar, I removed that app after putting on the new recovery. I recall the last time I used it though I definitely used the charge mode...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mysticdrew:
Thanks but system recovery charge mode didn't work either and yea battery pull is and turning it it on without being plugged in is the only way to boot it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lunzi88:
i'm thinking its the unlock. Prior to unlocking I've never experienced such issues before.
[HTC EVO 3D] VoXHTC:
screw it, and screw HTC
[HTC EVO 3D] Razgriz:
See it on XDA 6 minutes ago...
[HTC EVO 3D] Snow90:
Oh wow 6 minutes!
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Seriously OP didn't you realize this was already posted?!? Holy cow man! Stop cluttering the forum!

Only kidding of course, I just want to see what its like to be that guy. Thanks for sharing.

Tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] DarkManX4lf:
Maybe he just didn't refresh his browser. :(
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Good attitude!

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] dzap:
Lol