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[Galaxy S II General] dazstoke:
Had probs myself with kies when I first got my s2 tried to sync and backup, finally did it on the 4th time then when I tried to restore it failed everytime.

Odin is the preffered method by Samsung and I'm pretty sure u wouldn't catch a Sammy worker or tech guy even mentioning Kies let alone using it
[Galaxy S II General] AMDPOWERFIST:
KIES stuffed my S2 when i first tried to flash a new firmware. The baseband came up as UNKNOWN, so i had to turn to ODIN with the same firmware version, to get the modem file and flash it separately.

Moral of the story... dont use KIES when you can use ODIN
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
Btw, permanently turning your phone into an expensive mediaplayer is just one tick mark away in ODIN (clear efs). I don't think regular users should be advised to use ODIN, it is far too dangerous, potentially far more than KIES.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Would any regular user clear efs without good reason? Just because they are a regular user it doesn't mean they are stupid. They are gonna follow instructions. There is plant food in the cupboard but it doesn't mean I'm gonna drink it, know what I mean?

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Odin is the simplest and safest method to update when following instructions that a 3 year old could follow. Download .tar file, connect phone in download mode to PC, tick PDA box, press PDA button and browse for the downloaded .tar, select .tar then start the process. Wait until Odin says completed and reboots your phone, job done:)

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] JJEgan:
Many user who no longer use Kies are experienced flasher whose first use of Kies was a disaster .

Kies follow the instructions and it can balls up .

Odin you need to not follow the instructions for that to balls up .

Kies balls up you need Odin to recover either do it your self or take it to a service centre who will fix using Odin .

jje
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Kies is just downright dangerous, Odin will never mess anything up unless its user error, kies will mess it up because the software is buggy. Kicking a phone out mid flash can be terminal for your phone, many users have come on to this thread and have confirmed its happening everywhere:/ I have had every flagship phone since the N1 and flashed mad stuff, but I have never been as unimpressed with a piece of software as I am with kies, it can cause more harm than good, even operating it in the right manner;/

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] angelomaldito:
For those who are confused with the conflicting opinions above, here's my notes on this issue:

Samsung's SGS2 USER's manual provide instructions on how to update your software using Kies. If you're afraid of losing your warranty and want to go 'official', use Kies for updates and don't root your phone and be a good boy or girl. If you have problems using Kies and your phone seems to be bricked, just make use your warranty, go to a official Samsung's service centre (or center, depending on where you are) and the official technician will kindly use Odin to repair your phone.

Samsung's SGS2 SERVICE manual provide instructions on how to use Odin. It is a professional tool which is preferred by advanced users instead of Kies because it is a clean and light software which does only do what it need to do, which is to flash new ROMs into Samsung devices. No sync, no backup, no other useful or useless features, just the basic. Also, it is more friendly to your PC as it doesn't require huge resources to be run or installed.

Who are giving you that advice? A guy who bought his first android phone roughly two months ago but who has already flashed his device a dozen times using Odin since then, always following carefully the easy procedures kindly posted here in this forum by experienced users and developers.

Firstly, Odin is needed for rooting (if you care about your privacy, rooting is not an option, but a must). Secondly, as a Linux user, I couldn't use Kies as it runs painfully on a Virtual Machine running Win98, whereas Odin, for being smooth and light as the air, runs perfectly and hassle free under such conditions.

Therefore, all that I can say based on my own (short but intense) experience is that Odin is lighter, quicker and more effective than Kies for doing what it is designed to do, which is flashing your device. Under the conditions that I mentioned (Linux with VM running Win98 - ah, and all this in a neetbook :P) Kies doesn't do even a backup, so I cannot say much about this software apart from the fact that it seems to be a resource hungry piece of software. Nevertheless, if you have a powerful pc with a multi-core processor and a huge amount of RAM, running M$ Win 7, you certainly will not experience the same issues that I did, and Kies will run smoothly in your machine, probably without any problem. In any case, you'll always will have the Samsung's repair centre's technician, who uses Odin, which may help you if you have any problem.
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
Yes, I would have if I didn't know what efs was, just to get the phone to a "pristine" factory state or maybe it could just be an accidental click...
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Fantastic write up mate, and your very right. There are guys not listening to experienced users that have been using Android for a few months and think they know how it all works... also your write up in very intelligible:) There was even a guy earlier in the thread that is gonna continue to use kies because he does not like being told what to do, haha, how he mixes up telling and advising I don't know;)) lol

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Honestly dude,

Then you should not be near anything tech, don't you realise the damage you can cause from just random button pressing, especially when your one click away from instructions and help.... That just seems to me to be a 4 years old mentality with all due respect. Your a network engineers worst nightmare, lol. Also you can't accidentally click on it unless you have a finger and brain spasm, and lose all forms of basic intelligence, lol

JD@XDA

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[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
That's why KIES is the savest option for most users, ODIN is a professional tool and only should be used by experts. If your phone gets messed up during a KIES update you can always return your phone under warranty, that way Samsung will quickly learn that KIES updates are bugged too
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
I am really SHOCKED by some users who are wasting this valuable post to nothing good.

To them, If Kies is working well for you guys then why come here? Go on and use Kies. Nobody said that don't use Kies, so why all this stupid arguments?

If I am not wrong this thread was created to draw Samsung's attention towards Kies which is suffering poorly of firmware upgrade issue and others too. So let this thread do it's right purpose.

Regards.
[Galaxy S II General] pulser_g2:
Kies is crap.

End :)

No seriously, it is utter garbage. Use odin or heimdall. I don't even know how to update a phone in kies, as I have never seen it, since I use odin.

Kies is a noobish tool that tries to be clever and friendly while doing a complex and un noob friendly thing...

I'd never let kies near my phone. Seen it break enough phones to know that odin or heimdall is the right way to do stuff :)

I believe if you cannot follow instructions, you should not own a smartphone. Treat it like a computer... It is reasonable to expect a user to be able to deal with a botched windows update. So learn to look but not touch, regarding the efs clear feature, and don't repartition without reason...
[Galaxy S II General] Intratech:
There are simple step by step instructions on how to use Odin all over this forum so if someone uses it and messes up their device they have nobody else to blame but themselves for not following the instructions.

If my 56 year old dad can figure out how to use Odin following the instructions then anyone can.
[Galaxy S II General] hahni91:
thx

thx for thee warning i will use odin
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Thanks for the validation of my comments pulser, I think some users just try to argue a silly point with no evidence to try and gain some sort of credibility here, instead they are putting other users at risk and making more work for us experienced users cleaning up new users mess. I don't mind helping a guy bring his phone back from the dead, I would go out of my way to help, but if I can prevent it from happening in the first place I will try my best to do so;)

@intratech

I have pointed people to your fantastic thread if they want to learn and download Odin;)

Cheers,

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
If you have never seen it you can not judge it. Maybe you will find a few users who have problems and come here for help but for the majority it just works on the other hand there are plenty of threads with people asking for help because the wiped their /efs with ODIN:

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&c...&gs_upl=6888l7770l0l5l5l0l0l0l0l184l619l2.3l5
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
If you wipe your /efs with Odin then you should not have a smartphone period. There is no instructions to even touch that button....
[Galaxy S II General] CarpathianUK:
I used the latest Kies to update from KE7 to KF3 last Friday.

It found my phone first time, downloaded the updates first time and flashed my phone first time. I had no errors and it seems to work exactly as meant to - this was on an old and somewhat flaky XP SP3 pc with low RAM too.

I do love reading all the posts declaring with absolute authority how it doesn't work and that nobody should ever go near it etc. I'd politely suggest that a better description is that it didn't work for the person making the post - to assume otherwise for the population is a little much.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
I think you will find that it works sometimes and doesnt sometimes, it doesnt have 100 percent perfection, it fails mid flash, WHICH CAN BRICK YOUR PHONE! And about 90 percent of the replies on this thread are of people agreeing with me, and with both pulsar and intratech agreeing with me it has given me all the validation i need thank you very much. Its funny how the EXPERIENCED guys of this forum and android have backed my point, and all the noobish guys seem to want to contradict experience, do you want credibility??? You gain that by thoughtful incisive comments, not just ridiculing a thread which has proved useful to lots of people already. And like i said, with Intratech and pulsar on board with my thoughts, i dont really need your opinion to be honest;)

Im not telling you to use kies and im not telling you to use Odin, by all means use what you want, but from an experienced standpoint, any update that fails mid flash has a chance of BRICKING your phone. Odin does not fail mid flash EVER! and will work correctly every time. With kies you have the chance always of operating it correctly but killing your phone.:)

you have information from guys that have in total about 6 years of android experienc and they are telling you that kies is dangerous, you have a few jumped up upstarts that tell you Kies is great, perfect software... I know what one i would choose everytime. The reason for calling you upstarts is your not even bringing any evidence to the table that kies is safe, so your doing it just for arguments sake, and your arguments sake may hurt other people that will have bad flashes and we will have to sweep up the pieces... et voilla, you have a vicious circle;)

Quote from Pulsar

"Kies is a noobish tool that tries to be clever and friendly while doing a complex and un noob friendly thing...

I'd never let kies near my phone. Seen it break enough phones to know that odin or heimdall is the right way to do stuff

I believe if you cannot follow instructions, you should not own a smartphone. Treat it like a computer... It is reasonable to expect a user to be able to deal with a botched windows update. So learn to look but not touch, regarding the efs clear feature, and don't repartition without reason..."

Quote from Intratech

"There are simple step by step instructions on how to use Odin all over this forum so if someone uses it and messes up their device they have nobody else to blame but themselves for not following the instructions."

"If my 56 year old dad can figure out how to use Odin following the instructions then anyone can."
[Galaxy S II General] tjtj4444:
Samsung just started using OTA update in sweden for SGS2, this will more or less replace Kies PC-klient if this is used in all markets :)

Transferring of files etc is better done with mass-storage mode or Kies Air.
[Galaxy S II General] Sp1tfire:
Omg, this loop will never end, i seriously think you suffer from lack of attention. You keep repeating like a parrot: "it fails mid flash" for the last dozen of posts.

No, we don't want credibility. We just want to biatch slap someone who wants fame for posting a statement that should be universally true, but it fails to. While pulser_g2 and Intratech helped the community a lot and deserve our thanks, you deserve "nada". Are you a recognized developer ? Have you developed something for the android community or am i missing something ? 50 posts of yours that say "it fails mid flash" don't bring you the fame you want, ALMIGHTY EXPERIENCED ONE. So keep repeating that stuff until you reach 1000 posts, you can't compare with pulser_g2 and Intratech, you are just a guy who desperately wants attention. Waiting for your next "it fails mid flash" post. I rest my case.
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
Well that's good news, so Samsung indirectly admits that Kies is crap.

Sent from GT-I9100
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Truly stupid non inteligent post that i would expect from you, yawn troll... How come is it that everyone knows me on XDA??? Maybe its because i built custom roms for the desire and the N1 plus did themeing for CM6 nightlys, I cancelled my account because i have too much to do outside of xda to be here all the time nowdays to help. What have you done for the community troll except abuse members that help?

If you dont like the thread, you know what to do;) thats go and politely f*** Y******. work it out;)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Kies is crap,

But sammy lover spitfire will say it isnt to try and glorify his useless existence. Total troll;) Im doing this to help people not to try and build rep. This guy is a confessed n00b and he is trying to tell us we know nothing, what a Mushroom, to the maximum! There is always one guy that always has to argue with everything you say to justify his own being... Go suck on a lemon nerd;) Everyone that matters has agreed with me, and just because some fruitcake doesn't agree im sure im worried;)
[Galaxy S II General] tomeks:
if all 4k posts where like that one i could only congratulate you

btw, reported it to the moderator
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Yeah it applies to you too;)

Im gonna defend myself against any personal attack. You guys are defeated on the argument, so you feel its right to attack me, its pathetic;)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
If you have a problem, take it to the pm's and i will put you right:cool:
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
My past work over the years, Just some of the things i could find, but not even a 10th of what i have done for the community through the ages;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=713739

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=830806

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7414815

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=702275

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1016697 ( i started the think tank to port sense 3.0 to the ns, aprichner did the job)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=6689297 (my very basic custom rom for the desire)
[Galaxy S II General] tameracingdriver:
My experience with Kies goes something like the following.

* I read XDA and it says there's an update on Kies

* I plug my phone in, and ensure that all drivers are installed correctly

* I then run Kies, sure enough up pops the update

* I then let it go ahead and download the update.

* It spends some time downloading the update, then starts the process, and fails at the beginning (can't remember the error, so forgive me that one)

* I then go back on XDA, and read about possible fixes

* I go back and try said fixes, one after another, each time it fails, but not before re-downloading the entire update again

* I go back on XDA, find the links for the firmware and Odin, download them

* I follow the instructions, plug my phone in, run Odin, mount tar image, press flash

* 2 minutes later, I have a newly updated phone.

Much easier.

And as for it being user error, well I'd like to think as an IT Support technician I would at least have some clue; I am no genius, but I can get by.

Kies makes even iTunes look excellent.

And before anyone says "dodgy computer", this happened on 2 seperate computers with both SGS i9000 and then i9100.

Kies = Pile of ****.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Hey dude, Im a network engineer;) We are in the same boat so to speak;)

Whatever you say to these guys it wont convince them, im just hoping that people on the outside of this thread can see we are not highlighting this for nothing;)
[Galaxy S II General] R3Y:
I got my phone yesterday(KE8), when connected to PC Kies said update to KF2, I thought why not, but I can't freaking update it, even after hours.

I have tried this over 10 times now.

The downloading of firmware just gets stuck in between and Kies says time out after sometime. So in my case Kies can't even download the firmware without losing connection.
[Galaxy S II General] kbiz90:
Holy ****, Jupiterdroid! I just got around to reading this thread. In my book, you now are a part of the sweetest, most heartfelt thread I've ever read on xda:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1164653

And the nastiest. Note to self, don't get on your bad side. :D

Personally, I don't use Kies because I keep my WiFi separate from the rest of my home network. Now that I've read this thread, doesn't look like I'm missing anything. Good. Odin is so easy anyway.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Yeah sorry mate,

The guy said he wanted to ***** slap me, so i replied in good fashion, lol;)

I am a nice guy;) Just dont like people that argue for the sake of arguing, then when asked about providing evidence for there comments come back with a load of abuse. I would rather him prove me wrong than give me verbal;)

Funny enough it was that thread that made me create this one, bringing that phone back from the brink is what made me want to prevent anyone else from being in that same position;) Thanks for highlighting that dude...
[Galaxy S II General] CarpathianUK:
@JupiterdroidXDA

All I did was come to the thread with my experience. I had found the software to be useful and it had worked fine for me so far. I'm only a 'noob' because I only recently discovered this forum - it's hard to build up a head of steam somewhere you've never been. I made no personal attacks on any individual on the board, new or old, and got your post as a reply? Wow.

If those of us new to this place are to believe we are thought of as "any piece of s***", "jumped up upstarts" and the like from experienced posters then maybe this isn't the sort of community to be interested in. It is, beyond doubt, one of the best for technical help that I've yet found but that counts for nothing if we're put off posting for fear of flaming.

No harm was ever meant but I'll probably not bother in the future and just lurk & read instead.
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
Yup this can happen, it happens when I try to upgrade my GF iphone with itunes as well it turned out to be Kaspersky Internet Security 2011 hanging in the scan when downloading large files, the solution was to disable kaspersky temporarily also and I mentioned this before I do have one big gripe with KIES and that is that you have to run it as root to update your phone.

You cannot really blame KIES for not being able to upgrade because of a Kaspersky bug (the bug is solved in KIS 2012 btw)
[Galaxy S II General] mancuk29:
I installed the update yesterday via kies ... worked perfect perhaps im just one of the lucky ones ..... kies is on 64 bit windows 7 took around 15 mins but didnt have one issue .....
[Galaxy S II General] mancuk29:
yep can confirm kaspersky doesnt like kies .. i just disable the software and use windows fire wall .. if your using kaspersky and kies disable and you wont have any problems
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
Now see what happens when you unplug during an ODIN update, this was clearly a case of user error
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
don't say this too loudly though because Apple might sue Samsung for this too, since clearly Samsung is copying itunes' behaviour in conjunction with kaspersky ;)
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
He was using kies not Odin mate;)

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
It wasn't aimed at you mate, it was aimed at the two guys that tried to question my experience. I thought the argument you put across was elequently put;)

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] godutch:
I know, my point is that unplugging when flashing is a bad idea no matter which program you use
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Issues are not gonna happen every time, they are random. You will have no software issues ever with Odin though:)

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
But the software had already timed out, so unplugging was his only option, he could not eternally leave it connected? The damage had been done by the kies timeout, it was rectified by Odin;) And boy was he happy... I don't think he will use kies again;)

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] CarpathianUK:
Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
Can you change that post dude, its wholly inaccurate. Odin rectified the error, kies timed out and he had to unplug his phone. He never unplugged during an Odin flash:)

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] JupiterdroidXDA:
No probs dude, my mistake for not directing it clearer;) Spitfire and Tomeks are two little trolls that should be discarded from xda, they are useless and rely on personal attacks rather than put across their points with any sort of intelligence, they are avoid of basic IQ, such a shame really, as i would have liked to know what retarded excuse they have for not listening to people that have more experience in their little finger than they have in their entire universe;P

JD@XDA

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
[Galaxy S II General] tomeks:
still producing pointless posts? nice :), probably tomorrow by that time you will reach 4+ very helpful posts on this forum

can't wait, really ;)
[Galaxy S II General] Riqz:
I can confirm that I unplugged the phone from kies because it had been stuck on 8% for 30 minutes. What else was i supposed to do?

It was NOT user error. This was all Kies' doing and it's a very crap program at that. To think that it was the first thing it asked me to do (update) and it failed at the first thing it's supposed to be doing...