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[Eee Pad Transformer General] Jarbings:
726 gramms at a minimum for the Thrive and 680 g for the TF 101 that sounds fair.

Thrive:

Dimensions 273.0 x 177.0 x 15.7 mm

Asus TF101:

Dimensions	271 x 171 x 12.98 mm

So not really bulky. If you add the dock to the TF101 it gets worse for the ASUS.

But you still do not have 16 h runtime and no keyboard.

Wait two to three months for the christmas season and you will see the next gen devices.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
The Thrive is actually*wider* than the TF???? The mind boggles! ;)

We know the TF has a wide bezel in order to accommodate the size of the keyboard on the dock, so what is the Thrive's excuse?

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ozgreg:
For me I still am considering selling my TF, not because I do not love the device, because I really do but I have some serious concerns over the lack of any spare parts, spare chargers, USB cables, USB Port accessory (Snort) etc..

I really think ASUS has seriously dropped the ball on this device, they got so many things right then went to sleep on the final 5%..

Yeah the Thrive is butt ugly, got some horror screen issues but at least you can get spare parts for it, I cannot shake the feeling the TF is a VERY short term device..

*sighs*
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
I do tend to agree that this is a real problem - I feel quite uncomfortable taking my TF away on business trips because if I lose my power supply and/or USB cable, I'm fubar'd!

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jake21:
I'm not; I would really like USB port (thrive and acer); but I also want thin and light (samsung) and long battery life (tf, thrive, samsung).

My guess is that in 6 or 12 months something will be available that will be twice as fast; have a better display; more ports; longer battery life; lighter and cost less. I can wait :)

If amazon 7 inch unit has a s-amoled (or maybe samsung) in 6 months I might pick that up as a book reader (need that out doors visibility in a book reader :) )
[Eee Pad Transformer General] omgitswes:
It's def not as slim and light as the other tablets. But I love mine.

There is a problem that when it goes to sleep, you have to hold down the power button to turn it off and on again. Toshiba knows and is putting out an update to fix it.

Other than that I have no complaints, I like the rugged back of it and it actually feels like a machine than a toy. Keep in mind that I like the extended battery on the DInc that others called atrocious, guess I just like big devices since I have big hands
[Eee Pad Transformer General] coachclass:
You won't need new batteries for at least two years. And by the time your Transformer battery starts to die, there's going to be waaaay better tablets out there. We're talking about 4-core Tegra in 6 months. Is it really practical to replace the Thrive's battery?

Honestly, do you see yourself changing out the battery? Notebooks mature much better than tablets, and I've never replaced a battery on my notebooks.

I can forgive all the tablet manufacturers for built-in batteries.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
I would. As for Asus being a reliable brand, they didn't seem to care much about the reputation with this first go-round at tablets -- QC was all over the place. I know, I know, yours is perfect, but a lot of people got lemons. I suppose that's to be expected at a company's first stab at something, but it was still disappointing to see.

If Asus would just release the damn USB adapter, I might just hold on to my TF. It's probably awkward to use, but it'd keep me from running to a tablet that has a USB port.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] coachclass:
No one complained about the Ford's Model T either. With the pace of advancement in tablets, I don't think you can use first gen iPads to say "good enough".

My argument about the ports: it's nice to have built in, but if you really are going to attach something to your tablet via USB, does it make a big difference whether you can attach directly or if you have to use a USB dongle? I suppose you won't always have a dongle handy, and you're not likely to carry it around all the time...but the downside of carrying around all that weight is a huge disadvantage for a handheld device. At least, that's how I see it.

Despite the tapering on the Transformer and being slightly less heavy than the Thrive, I think they're both too heavy for a handheld.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] coachclass:
Man, there's a lot of fanboy statements on this thread. The QC issues with Transformers seems much worst than the other tablet companies so far. Maybe Toshiba will be just as bad in QC, but to say that Asus is top-notch for motherboards and netbooks doesn't help their issues on the Transformer.

Yeah, the Thrive is ugly/large/heavy compared to the Transformer, but it includes full size ports. The Transformer is ugly/large/heavy compared to the Samsung 10.1, but it has a micro-SD and keyboard dock.

I wouldn't put things so extremely as some of the statements here. I think the Transformer has the best balance of flexibility and ergonomics for me.

Edit: I posted earlier comparing the two.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163310
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fredderf81:
enjoying the thrive

first off, i refuse to be a "fan boy" of any product. the only products i absolutely can't stand are apple....not because of the products, they are not bad, but because of the company and its business practices. that said, i have owned the acer and returned it. i have owned the asus and returned it. i have used my neighbors xoom and its ok. i have also used the samsung.

the samsung is very nice, its thin, its light, the screen is wonderful and i would probably break it in less than a year. but i am rough on tech. ... some people are not, depends on the person the lack of ports was a definite no for me. samsung is acting the genius here and basically copying the apple design. not only with their tablets, but with their phones. apple even tried to sue them for it. litigation is still in the "system" (go samsung!) that is most likely because the MAJORITY of people who are not 'techies' dont care about function...only how it looks and feels. but it works...thats why apple sells so much technology...most using guts inside the devices that are out of date when it goes on sale

the xoom is ok. the screen is nice but again, lack of ports. in addition i have sold/repaired, etc technology for years and every motorola device except for their walkie's and iDen phones have been absolute garbage.

the acer has a nice pricepoint, and will get ...nicer....soon ;-) but the screen was fuzzy and unclear to me. they had that little issue where the battery would run down due to the device "searching for 3g service" which was fixed with the 3.1 update but the device felt sluggish and i did not like the screen...it seemed to display uneven light levels in low light. however i know many people who have loved the device and the software acer included with it.

The asus is nice. i use a lot of their equipment in my PCs. the device simply felt cheap in my hands to me. There are thousands of complaints out there involving different issues with the device. light bleed on the screen, problems with the keyboard and mouse are the two highest complaints i've read. i didn't want any part of that. add the keyboard and while you do get extra battery life, its just as heavy and thick as a netbook.....so why not buy a netbook? its cheaper. also, the way the TF attaches to the keyboard? i'm sorry, but that just looks like it wont last 6 months. however many people like its functionality and thats great!

for my needs the thrive is great. it does most of what i want it to. i feel the screen is plenty bright and crisp. the ports all function how i want and i enjoy the software toshiba has included. once it gets rooted, it will be MY perfect device.

that being said, i CAN NOT STAND all the complaining and 'back-and-forth' garbage that goes on in all these online forums. each tablet works great for someone different. i wish people would stop comparing and complaining and talk about interesting and productive things relating to function of the tablets. you just spent a bunch of money on a tablet!! enjoy it!!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I doubt that spare parts are available for any tablet on the market. They're not intended to be serviced by end users.

Spare chargers and USB cables are available, and have been for quite a while.

So basically the only valid part of your complaint is that they haven't released the USB port accessory. And yes, that's a little silly, but I'm sure they have their reasons -- the later it is released, the more money it's likely to cost them, after all.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I'd wager that very, VERY few people actually got lemons. What most of the complainers got is tablets that were near-perfect, but with extremely minor cosmetic defects the likes of which are also to be found on every other tablet in the market, iPads included. (light bleed and slight panel creak being the most common cosmetic defects that have zero impact on operation.)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ondoy1943:
Too late in the day to swap my tf101 with another dual-core tablet when you can sense on the horizon the imminent arrival of quad-core beasts. Just grin and bear it and make the most of what you already have. ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
Sure it doesn't effect operation -- the tablet will still work if light bleeds onto the screen or if the device creaks and flexes. It will also function with dust under the screen, with a misaligned screen, or gaps where there should not be gaps. Or as we're seeing some now, exposed glue where parts were not glued down. That's not really the point. The point is that Asus has some QC issues to take care of with the actual build quality of the TF. They can't afford to be sloppy once the Android tablet market becomes more and more crowded.

Of course we'll never know if it's very, VERY few people who got lemons, or a good number. I don't have access to Asus's numbers, and neither do you. I can say that I haven't heard so many complaints about the build quality of a product since the Palm Pre (which I was sadly a part of). Some people had "perfect" Pres (though I would guess some were just in denial), but many had problems ... including me (oreo effect, charging port that cracked right off, and finally a dead touch sensor).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
I don't know where you are located, but I've yet to see these available here in the UK - and I'm talking online here.

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
Some people's definition of "available" is that it's listed for sale on a website, even though it's always out of stock. Fact is, if your charger bites it or gets lost, you're screwed, and that's just silly.

I just don't get the holdup on accessories for the Transformer.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tq745:
yeah i hate the fact that as of now there isn't a replacement for the charger given how the cable feels like it could snap off very easily.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PaulGG:
Not Me % weeks on me and My TF are getting on better than ever, wife now has the Ipad. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] grainysand:
LOL. Does anyone not remember what a failure the Toshiba Folio was?

Exactly. Switching to the Thrive would be insane.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
Not sure why it'd be insane -- you're judging this new device based on Toshiba's first foray into Android tablets from almost a year ago? Judging by the fact that they've sat on the Thrive while the Xoom, Iconia, Transformer, and Galaxy tablet have had a chance to steal the spotlight, I think they took their time with this one to get it right. It's meant to appeal to a different consumer than the TF or Galaxy.

My guess is that it's a pretty solid tablet. Not pretty or thin, but it looks durable and has all the connectivity you'll ever need. If Asus releases that USB adapter in the next couple of weeks, I'll stay put because I do really like the TF.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Both of those complaints have been leveled at every single tablet on the market, including both the iPad and iPad 2.

That I've seen a few reports of, but they're a distinct minority. I've not looked on other tablets for that specific issue, but I'd be willing to bet they exist, too. I'd hardly call it a showstopper.

I've seen precisely one three claiming to have a misaligned screen, and that was frankly ridiculous. The entire screen was visible, it was just slightly closer to the mask on one edge than on the other. It's nitpicking to a truly obsessive level.

Again, we're talking about tiny gaps that most people aren't even going to notice. Every product on the market with similar complexity and pricing is going to have occasional extremely minor fit and finish issues like these.

Yeah, I saw that thread too. Amazing what a macro lens and a really close-up photo will do. Bet if the poster had access to a microscope it'd have looked even worse. (!)

Not really. The point is that far too many people in this forum obsess and go miles out of their way in an attempt to find some kind of a "defect" because the grass is always greener (and the LCD panel is always more even) on the other side. If they'd just use their tablets and stop obsessing, they'd probably enjoy life a lot more.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I'm in the US, where only the stock charger and cable are available (and they're pretty easily available).

I have family in the UK, who contacted me a week or two back to let me know the travel charger kit is available there now.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ozgreg:
Actually I would challenge this, you will might find parts as LISTED but they have no stock available, I only know one person who has managed to get a spare charger while others have had tablets in for repair for weeks while waiting on spare parts etc.

Happy if this situation has changed but I cannot see any evidence of it..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
Really? Love to know where since Google turns up zip!

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
Well I am obviously not going to get through to you on this issue (and I refuse to do the annoying point-by-point reply ... ugh ...) -- you love your TF warts and all, and that is great. Some people expect a bit more attention to QC when they shell out $400+ of their hard-earned cash, so I don't blame them at all for not giving shoddy workmanship a pass. Mine creaks, flexes, and has slight bleed, but it's tolerable, but people have different levels of tolerance for these sorts of things. Giving Asus a pass for allowing so many units to ship with these obvious defects is a little nutty IMO, but to each his own.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dhamma110:
I am still loving my trans and I am using it many hours every day. I have a very light bleed and even I am very carefull a tiny scratch on the screen. But the trans is a keeper.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Why in the world would they make an 8gb tablet?

Here's a review from amazon that's telling.

Added by edit.

PS - I own a g tablet and the thrive is actually thicker and heavier than the gtab.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] phree1:
Not a chance for me on switching to the thrive.

It's bulky, the screen does not look nearly as nice as the Transformer or GalaxyTab, and I have no idea how you are even comparing the dock to the Thrive. You might as well compare apples and lugnuts.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tq745:
yeah and only 14 out of 280 people found it helpful. lmao. I mean do you seriously have to ask that question? Did you forget that the Thrive has a full sized sd card slot which a 32gb runs about $40...the thrive easily plays music and videos from the sd card...so you looking at $469 for a 40gb tablet.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] abcd1001:
I went to Office depot. Now you can actually see a transformer in the store!!

So I looked at all of them, the Transformer, the Thrive, the Iconia, the Xoom, the Viewsonic.

Nah, I made an excellent decision with buying the Transformer. I love it. No complaints. The Thrive is thick and no different than the xoom or viewsonic g. The Transformer is thinner, better looking by far, and with that keyboard attachment, you can do more.

If you are considering the Thrive, I would suggest that you consider the Aconia, I will buy the Aconia, well before I buy the Thrive. It looks much better, has the built-in full USB. Yes, no battery removal, but I am pretty sure that waaay before the batter on your tablet dies, you are already dying to purchase the Next far more powerful tablet. They are talking about releasing the Tegra 3 sometimes in October, and that's 5 times faster.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bonetwizt:
If you are one of those people that jumps devices every time something new comes out, either stop posting on this forum or put a bullet in your head.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] amstaff72:
I must have gotten very lucky on my transformer, I can only see light bleed in a pure dark room and it's only1 pin point area. I haven't had any creaking yet either. I've only had mine for 2 months though. The only complaint I have had is force closes while browsing but it actually seems to have worked itself out. I'm definitely not a fan boy of anything. My sister got one of the thrives the other day and the ports are pretty cool, but she has had some screen flickering after it's been on for about 30 minutes. It also doesn't have as nice of a screen as mine, and it does feel more bulky when holding it away from theb body. She's taking it back because of the screen, but she likes it enough to be just exchanging it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] lude219:
So then, what kind of issues do you have with Asus again? EVERY piece of new tech out there have had their fair share of lemons, and Asus is no different from Apple. Even a 2nd generation ipad have had bleeding problem, yellow tint, wifi issues, and a crapload of other stuff, but does that mean it's affecting the majority of their owners? These isolated incidents are just that, isolated incidents. When you produce millions of units, a few hundred black sheeps are bound to slip by, and guess what, that's what mfgr warranty is for.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Again, even the much-vaunted iPad 2 has the exact same issues (light bleed, creak, etc.)

To those of you asking where to pick up the charger in the UK, I'll try and talk to my family to find out where.

Glad to see lude219 has the common sense certain others here lack.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] psycho2097:
Went to bestbuy yesterday the first time after I bought my tf a couple of months ago. Saw a big fat chunky thing called th iconia, I think.... A weird fat ugly thing tablet thingy 4m toshiba...thrive??? Really...? had high hopes for the galaxy, then saw the thin plasticky thing thats a mockery of all things 'ipad' ....became really sad... Then saw a awesome coppery device that was just blowing everyones minds off! Guess what? I own that.

Sent from my cell phone. DUH.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
I'm more interested to know where these plentiful chargers are in the US, since I've heard no one else make such a claim.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
Thing is, Asus did not produce millions of units, so the unusual amount of defects is magnified. I never said it was a majority, but it's obviously a good deal more than normal. There are people who exchange their lemons and receive ... another lemon. Or people who have to return a brand new product to the manufacturer (paying their own shipping at that ...) because the online retailers will not exchange for manufacturing flaws. I've got a buddy who is buying a tablet very soon, and I'm not sure if I can recommend the TF to him unless these QC problems have been worked out.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] S4F4M:
Best you can recommend is that he go to Best Buy and see all of them. Even though Best Buy's website did not indicate a store with the TF, my local one had a display set up for all of them - Android, WebOS, RIMM, iOS.

I had received a defective TF (would not boot) from Amazon that I promptly returned. I never got to see it in action.

Well, from my quick play with all of them, here is what stuck out for me. I played with them in this order: (TF, Iconia, Thrive, Playbook, iPad2, HP, Samsung)

1. All the screens for the main Android tablets are the same, so the length is the same. Thrive, Iconia and TF all looked the same.

2. I liked the Thrive, but the screen looked to be a stepdown. It didn't look as sharp/clear/crisp. That said, it was lighter than it looked.

3. I liked the Playbook's thinness and feel and size. However, I was not familiar with its OS, so I was confused without a back or home button (hard or soft). On airplanes, the 10" factor seemed the best for movies. As you can imagine, I saw no less than 3 iPads running...and some antiquated DVD players. :O

4. iPad2 - thin, light, typical iOS feel and look. It ran smooth. 15 BILLION apps download per Apple for its products. Move into the Chinese cell market = 600 Million phones to be sold. Just sayin' that Android needs to get its act together.

6. HP Slate looked nice, but given my initial impressions with the Playbook, I passed on it. I figured the OS was probably okay, but as with the Playbook, they're hampered by the lack of a large apps market.

7. The XOOM was heavy.

8. Samsung. WOW. What a screen. I was truly impressed. The OS seemed smooth.

Being a laptop user, I was a little disappointed in the touch aspect of the Android tablets. Maybe it was my fingers, but it felt like I was dragging more than gliding - could've been some sluggishness with HC...not sure. I'll need to go back and spend more time on them to get a better feel. I was expecting the feel of using a trackpad and equal responsiveness. iPad2 did not have this issue, but that damn screen of square icons just looked messy compared to the Android presentation.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dfin13:
Unfortunately (or fortunately, since it's not hardware), that is HC being sluggish. If you swipe inside most apps, it's not the same -- it's much smoother. To be fair though, the HC UI is doing much more than the iOS UI is. If all HC did was give you the ability to display icons on the home screens, it'd be as smooth as iOS, but then you lose a good chunk of what makes Android so great. I'm fine with a little bit of sluggishness for now, but I sure hope Google gets it worked out sooner than later. 3.1 is already a little peppier than 3.0, so I'm optimistic.

Thanks for the breakdown. My #1 hesitation in making the move to the Thrive is the screen. My TF screen is dazzling, and if I step down, I don't want it to be too far.