yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
1. Flash unlock SBF via RSD (this is a small file and not considered reverting to older version of stock?....., minimal permabrick risk?)

correct minimal permabrick, potential soft brick but recoverable, most people flashed flawlessly

2. Use fastboot to run the OEM unlock sequence? Reboot?

If you were previously unlocked no need to run fastboot oem unlock. If not, then yes proceed with fastboot oem unlock sequence (or proceed anyway if you're not sure)

3. Use fastboot to install cwm?

i forget, double check the cwm thread

4. Use cwm to install ROMS?

yes, CWM or fastboot depending on what was released and the instructions of the dev. Usually -.IMGs would be through fastboot and premade zips via CWM.
[Atrix 4G General] dispatch:
Guys, is moto-fastboot.exe different from fastboot.exe (other than the names and from where they came)?
[Atrix 4G General] munchy_cool:
yes, moto-fastboot is used to flash large partitions.
[Atrix 4G General] dincodee:
I have gotten a new atrix yesterday and it came stock with 1.8.3. First thing i tried was to unlock the boot loader through RSD. Only thing I forgot to do was take out the sim and sd card. My phone will not boot now nor will it even power on. Can anyone confirm that not taking out the sim and sd can brick your phone or was it caused by something moto could have done to the new phones thats diff from the older ones. Before cracking the screen on my other phone I had no problems flashing anything and just came from 4.5 gingerbread with kens 2.3.4
[Atrix 4G General] babak202:
i have same problem After connected battery for a while the green diode is on and black screen, i made the motorola factory cable, install the driver from http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11901016&postcount=75 , they have brick problem with G-tablet which use Nvidea chipset , but they have another program to flash it for g-tablet http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9603803&postcount=1, i need a program like that to flash my atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] amrutpritam:
for me its totally different i think.. i did what others did but for me now when i try to start the phone it fails and says modem failed to start (0) starting rsd protocol support but no red led . i think its a non repairable damage. i can go to fastboot recovery rsd and all other options though.. i think i kindda fu**ed my bootloader or something or may be the hardware. whenever i try to flash the official 1.8.3 it fails at bp passthrough step. i tried almost all the ideas given in this forum with the similar result (failed to BP passthrough) any pro can u help me.
[Atrix 4G General] PanNet:
Hi,

Let me know if you find something. On the other side I do the same.

In my opinion this thread was cluttered and lost its transparency.

Regards
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
what did you do to the phone?

Also, have you tried flashing anything through recovery, cwm, or fastboot? Those would be better options than RSD.
[Atrix 4G General] amrutpritam:
yes I tried to

1. go back to gb in the similar procedure which I had done with success earlier

2. flash the briefmobile rom via cwm

3. flash the pudding.sbf in the pudding thread.

but one thing is funny. everytime I am able to switch the phone on via the BP BYPASS BOOT AP mode. but this time phone has everything except the basic function like mobile tower signal or sms capability and it doesn't charge.
[Atrix 4G General] eval-:
Yes, I have started a new thread for people to keep editing just their one single post with all their steps, status, trial-and-error attempts in one place. It is not to be a discussion, just a collection of (hopefully useful) information:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1165154

If it gets stupid or cluttered I will close it. But hopefully people will not spam.

Developer nothize says some Chinese users recovered from 0x1000 by making sure volume-up was held the whole time (before battery insertion even, to not miss the 'critical' moment.) I am skeptical this will work for us, and it is clear that the different bootloaders (1.8.3 and below, vs. 'pudding' 2.3.3, vs. 4.5.40 vs. 4.5.91) give different menu options. We are trying to collect them all for him (I am still missing 4.5.40) to IDA and compare. He thinks it's a fuse failure check. I do not understand why simply OTAing would burn a fuse (but it is clear that unlocking changes the ReservedOdm fuse) so I would also like the 'survivors' to paste their ReservedOdm and other fuses if possible.
[Atrix 4G General] fernandoavc:
Not sure if I'm a survivor but my atrix is unlocked and I went through the process from 1.57 OTA to 1.83 OTA then HKTW 'fastbooted' then 4.5.91 gingerbread through Ken's link using CWM ... if I can help you let me know... ( just dont ask for a downgrade through sbf pls ;) )
[Atrix 4G General] eval-:
Nope you used Ken's CWM which is safe. I need someone who OTA'd old school style, placing the update.zip in /sdcard and booting into recovery and then got lucky enough to fastboot pudding.sbf and unlock and un-brick themselves, to paste me the contents of their /sys/firmware/fuse

This is just a hunch, we've still no firm idea how 4.5.91 made (nvflash) 'bricks' on downgrade (to froyo/1.8.3 or below)...
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
I didn't get 0x1000 so won't pollute your other thread.. but this is so far what i've gleaned, which hopefully you'll be able to build upon from your thread

2 branches of 0x1000 errors

1. 2.34 flash pudding, something went wrong, 0x1000 error, but able to retain fastboot somehow (either through cable or through charged battery) and was able to either flash new img or just use oem unlock command to recover from soft brick

2. OTA 2.34 downgrades to fresh sbf, 0x1000, no fastboot or rsd options, only nvflash
[Atrix 4G General] maddie01:
Should we just wait till the Gingerbread Update is sent form AT&T?

I am confused and I Apologize but when "offical" is mentioned, I assume that is the ROM from AT&T or Motorola....?

Are we safe to do that update when it is pushed later this month via OTA?

Or, should we avoid ANY OTA ROM update from XDA or AT&T and just use the SD Card and a Zipped ROM Update?
[Atrix 4G General] mramirezusa:
Hi eval, I am not sure if this will help here it is my experience:

I was on stock 1.83 unlock bl, stock recovery no cdw

First thing I did pull sim and ext sd card

Then turn off and turn on in RSD to flash full 1.83 sbf no service one no pudding one

Then I got to moto setup screen turn off placed sim and ext sdcard

Turn in stock android recovery and apply the update.zip (the one named with 1.83 a need to rename update.zip but actually was GB from Sam posts)

Phone reset twice and the GB moto setup

Then turn off and turn on in RSD and apply pudding sbf

Now GB with unlock BL

No softbrick no hardbrick no fc and running fine
[Atrix 4G General] Deggy:
Quick question. Is it safe to proceed to unlock & install custom ROMs if I already flashed the official 4.5.91? Please tell me it's not too late. :(
[Atrix 4G General] mramirezusa:
I did it my self running RSD and flashing pudding sbf ... but I was already stock 1.83 with unlock BL then RSD full 1.83 sbf the applied GB ota update.zip and finally run RSD pudding sbf

And no soft & hard brick

But it seems every phone is a pandora box

Hope it help
[Atrix 4G General] eval-:
Both of you need to never flash any official 1.2.6,1.5.7,1.8.3 SBF. We don't know yet whether future .sbf of 'official' (via /sdcard and android recovery) OTAs will be safe for you. But if you stay on Pudding, you can still fastboot flash system,boot,webtop, or you can use CWM to apply new builds. Just not RSD of anything other than Pudding or 1.8.3+Pudding for now.

If you want to do me a big favor *AND* confirm your status, please adb, su, and "cat /sys/firmware/fuse/ReservedOdm" or just open the file in Root Explorer and past the result here. If you see something like:

10000000000010001000

3

00004000

Then you should probably not SBF anything from Motorola until we know more...
[Atrix 4G General] mramirezusa:
Here it is my:

10000000000010001000300004000
[Atrix 4G General] SGTShark:
This is what I did with the exception of I was unlocked prior to the update.zip, I just had flashed to 4.1.83 one day earlier through my lengthy drawn out process, and had not re applied pudding. My status is still

10000000000010001000300004000

I had an idea don't know if its worth a shot but I'd be willing to try. Anyone remember that "Get Your Device on the Official Software Thread" at Moto Support Forums?

What if we were to create a 4_1.5.2 sbf with pudding and use the Moto Software Update Tool? The tool in theory should recognize the wrong version and update accordingly. I'm just not sure in what detail the Tool flashes the device in general.

Maybe someone could shed some light on what exactly the update tool does.

Just an idea. In the past that has been my avenue to get a real clean flash. SBF 4_1.5.2 > Update Tool > 4.1.83. My Atrix has been great right after the process and Quadrant scores close to 3000 every time, no issues or reboots what so ever.

Anyone know how to get pudding into the 4_1.5.2? Worth a shot?
[Atrix 4G General] Bakano:
10000000000010001000300004000

that's mine too.

I used the OTA and then flashed pudding, and I've tried flashing ROMS, but none work. they get me stuck at the splash screen (pre-boot). The only way I can seem to get out of that is by flashing the boot.img and system.img contained in the fruit cakes posted on here via fastboot, but then it's "stock" 2.3.4 again... i'm stuck =X
[Atrix 4G General] Bakano:
Oh hey also I have another question. I read in your other post that the OTA blows a fuse... is that a physical fuse? ~ cannot be undone... we're ShortOnLuck?
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
You shouldn't be stuck. What ROMs are you trying to flash??
[Atrix 4G General] Bakano:
you name it I've tried it: Kenneth's, Dorians, Cherry, any of them... not working so well.

Here's what Dorian Said over on Atrix Forums

If you're having issues flashing or formatting /system, you might want to get a replacement phone ASAP. That was a signaling symptom on Samsung phones of impending NAND failure. The nature of any type of memory is you're going to have some cells that are bad, even brand new off the assembly line. The good thing is they include a preset amount of extra cells to compensate for the failed ones and the ones that will fail in the future. If you have a bad NAND chip to begin with those bad cells are already at the compensation limit and you start to have read/write errors and things will start to fail part by part. If it's the kernel partition you can look foward to a quick brick. If it's in the /system partition then you can expect random force-closes that no amount of "re-formatting" will fix... and so on.

Call AT&T on warranty support and tell them that you've tried resetting, factory resetting, and everything else under the sun and you keep having odd problems with it. They should replace it, no problems.
[Atrix 4G General] derechbennoach:
Mine is:

10000000000010001000100004000

It is unlocked, and rooted with beta#4 running very well.

What does the 1 or 3 mean?
[Atrix 4G General] Bakano:
1 means the fuse has not been blown, and 3 means it has =D
[Atrix 4G General] dispatch:
Not exactly -- if you've unlocked your BL I think you blow a fuse either way.

The 1 means, for now and for whatever reason, that you can still RSD back to a non-pudding, official OTA release (e.g. 1.83 SBF), whereas if you have the 3 something is preventing this and instead causing a hard-brick.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
[Atrix 4G General] derechbennoach:
This boot loader is starting to sound more and more like a Rubik's cube.

EDIT:

I have read that the Zoom can be re-locked.

You fastboot boot,system,recovery, userdata and clear cache oem lock and it is back to stock.

Can this work with Atrix images?
[Atrix 4G General] dispatch:
I'm not a dev but I believe the consensus is that you cannot re-lock your BL (regardless of whether it says "Unlocked" on your moto splash screen and that unlocking the BL does burn a fuse.
[Atrix 4G General] turdfergueson2:
OK, I think I know how I bricked mine last week.

It already had stock 1.8.3 installed. I flashed GB over that without doing anything else. GB was running fine for the 2 minutes I used it to check on some of the things like the keyboard and stuff. I tried to flash pudding and it bricked, but I was able to still get to rsd mode. From there I tried to revert back to the stock 1.2.6(?) and I got the hard brick. I wasn't following Kenneth's way, and after trying to figure out where I messed up, I saw that I should have unlocked to bootloader first. I tried to do it after GB was loaded.

I'm not sure if anyone else did it that way, but that's how I messed mine up. I had my old one replaced and it came with 4.1.83 and I'm ready to try again. THis one has the buzzing speaker issue though. My biggest question is whether using Kenneth's way this time would I be able to revert back to a stock rom WHEN this buzzing speaker irritates me enough.
[Atrix 4G General] jarsh92:
When you tried flashing pudding and got your brick error, did you try to use the fastboot oem unlock command?

I think it is suppose to do that and if you continued with the fastboot oem unlock command your phone would have been fine. You still couldn't go back to an older sbf though.

Reason I ask is, I am in the same boot, I have the GB death version with an unlocked bootloader and I want to unlock it soon, but I keep finding different info here whether it is still safe to do or not.

I found a couple of people that told me you will get the soft brick message, but you just have to reboot to fastboot mode and finish the process and it should be fine.
[Atrix 4G General] turdfergueson2:
At that point, I tried to use RSD Lite to flash back to something older. I only had the 4.1.26 available so I used that. There wasn't a lot of info on what happened to me. Later I read that you could brick by using RSD to go back.
[Atrix 4G General] robonoob:
I pmd samcripp about this and its not a matter of if you 'could' brick, you will brick by using rsd and sbf after running pudding! You need to use the OEM unlock in the soft brick menu, after pudding, its after this that I am unsure of.

I was wondering if someone who flashed the gb ota, then ran pudding, to cw and a new rom could post up and sticky a noob friendly how to with all files needed. It not that I am a noob to android, but bricking your atrix the first time kinda makes ya paranoid.
[Atrix 4G General] undisputedfb:
nice mine is a 1, i wonder if i should revert back until the battery issue is fixed.
[Atrix 4G General] falcon_bob:
I was freaking out and you saved my a**. Thank you, kind sir.
[Atrix 4G General] spineforu82:
What is the method to get back to stock 1.8.3?

I'm on cherryblur and did not use an ota of official 4.5.91. So is it safe for me to rollback with an sbf?

I want to get my phone stock to get the official ota if gingerbread.

Any insight is appreciated please help
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
if you did not use otc 4.5.91 zip then you should be ok to sbf to stock... but the advice and sentiment of devs here is to avoid RSD even so as it always had an element of risk. The Fruicakes posted by samcripp I think is preferred.
[Atrix 4G General] spineforu82:
OK thanks will that then allow be to use the stock gb ota when available?
[Atrix 4G General] slowpc:
I have the OTA 2.3.4 that was on xda here and flashed that with no problems. I have CWM as my recovery and been thinking of nandroid backing it up and playing with some of the other 2.3.4 roms. Can I do that safely since I am not using rsd or what process should I do to play it safe. Want to get 1% battery setup but need to be deodex'ed :(
[Atrix 4G General] xredjokerx:
Ok I read through most of this thread, but I just wanted to confirm...

I have a 1.8.3 with unlocked BL (pudding V1)

Can I...

1. Flash a rom like Ninja or CherryBlur then SBF back to 1.8.3?

2. SBF back to 1.8.3 directly from where i am at the moment?

3. Flash Pudding V2, then the same two questions above?

4. Make a nandroid and restore it if I dislike CherryBlur?

Thanks for the help in advance, I'm utterly lost through this whole thread. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
[Atrix 4G General] Bakano:
yes to all

this hard brick "feature" only applies to those of us who applied the "official OTA" update...

enjoy =)
[Atrix 4G General] Bakano:
Here's what I've experienced (I did the official OTA update as well):

You CAN Nandroid to backup, but restoring errors out at trying to re-write the /system partition, just for me anyway

you CAN TRY to flash some of the other ROMS. Ken's worked for me once, but the touchscreen was inverted over the y-axis if i remember correctly. After trying to recover I have been unsuccessful in flashing ANY ROM. It installs just fine, but then it hangs at the starting splash screen... no boot screen FOR ME.

You CANNOT flash an older sbf... or you will hard brick. BUT here is an sbf "recovery" method I use. Grab whichever you prefer from here (fruit cakes), and then pull out the system.img and boot.img that way you can reboot into fastboot if you have anyproblems and just run the commands to push those (i.e. moto-fastboot.exe flash system system.img, etc.)

hope this helps some... =)
[Atrix 4G General] slowpc:
Yes it does help me some and understand. Was wondering about fruitcakes and stuff but 2.3.4 is still running great for me for now. No need myself yet just wanting into for the future.
[Atrix 4G General] barry99705:
It also applies to the Official "official" update.... :mad:
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
Yep... cause it's the same
[Atrix 4G General] hoodlikegaza:
actually it doesn't because you can still flash the gingerbread sbf with rsdlite if you didn't unlock.
[Atrix 4G General] samcripp:
the .91 update is the same as leak. Same binary 100% identical, not only do i confirm it, its confirm by every other dev. Dont listen to miss inform people. Once you update you will never be able to downgrade using sbf. You can sbf 4.5.91 because it has the same identical bl bp pass. Anything else will end up in a hard brick.

The only time this is an exception is for those who never unlocked. This folks after installing ota experience a semi hard brick when flashing pudding. This semi hard brick is similar in that it shows you 0x1000. But other than that it is just a semi hard brick.

What can you do to not hard brick your phone. Well easy, either you can use one of the widely available roms, any of the stock images, or a fruit cake. They are all base off .91

YOU COULD ALSO STOP USING SBF ALL TOGETHER. ITS NOT SAFE. RSD/SBF IS FOR INTERNAL CARRIER/MOTO USE. IT WAS NEVER MEANT FOR ANYONE TO EVER DOWNGRADE. PUT DOWN THE FLASE AND PRAISE THE SAFE METHODS.

safe methods:

fastboot

CWM

sbf with pudding already in it!
[Atrix 4G General] _Alex_:
Great stuff, Sam. Adding to the first post...
[Atrix 4G General] thedent555:
hard bricked atrix 4g..... Please help.

Hello everyone,

I have hard bricked my atrix 4g from latest update to 1.8.3 through rsd lite. Now it won't start up. I am completely terrified!!!! Please anyone can help to get back to normal state. Please. As soon as possible.

Thank you.
[Atrix 4G General] jarsh92:
Why would you rsd down to 1.8.3 when for the past two weeks everyone has been saying not to do it? If you can't get to fastboot or rsd mode on your phone then im afraid your phone is toast.

I would try calling your carrier and tell them you were updating and something went wrong and see if they will replace it.
[Atrix 4G General] thedent555:
Thanks Man. I will try that tomorrow. I think the only way is to replace the phone instead of getting around this stuff. I have learned my lesson. Thanks anyway. Cha.
[Atrix 4G General] demens13:
Even though its in big red letters its still not 100% clear to me.

Stop using SBF all together means what? Stop using ALL types of SBF? Thats what it sounds like to me.

But if that is that case how would one go about flashing the new radio for example? The only method that worked for me was sbf. Or is an sbf that only contains a radio.img considered safe? Are full sbfs with bootloaders the only dangerous ones? Or should people that did the OTA never ever use SBFs period?
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
Pudding is safe. Radio only so far is ok. Full SBF without pudding is bad. The idea is to use RSD very minimally and as last resort.
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
Oh and you can CWM the radio.
[Atrix 4G General] demens13:
Where is the zip for that? The 12+ page thread about the Radio by Kenn did not have the zip and said to use either RSD or fastboot (which did not work for me). It does have a zip file but its just a regular zip that contains the img file, its not one flashable with CWM.
[Atrix 4G General] ronald11:
Hi , team, i m wondering, why if i had GingerBlur 4.5 from 2.2.2with root and unlocked boot loader, later then i just update to 2.3.4 beta4 from briefmobile and recently i just download the .SBF 4.1.52 and I flashed my device without any brick… ?

Now I am back to GingerBlur 4.5 with root, but without bootloader unlocked, when I press update I says I have to update to 4.5.91 but I haven’t update it yet I wonder if I can update, or I have to go back to stock 4.1.52 before then just apply all OTA update, or just download the SBF 4.5.91 update it just like that or unlock the bootloader before applying the update?

What are the right steps?
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
It's in the Fruitcakes thread that SamCripp created.
[Atrix 4G General] nik2020:
Hard Brick using OTA - fixed using motorola SW Update

Hi

Just wanted to post this so others can take adv.

I ran into hard brick issue with OTA update to 4.5.91 - I was originally running 4.1.83 that I had put using SBf file from this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1125944

My OTA update had failed due to hacked webtop version and rooted phone.

i rebooted the phone , gave it a shot at upgrading using Motorola Software Update - Wolla The problem is fixed.

I was successfully able to update the phone by connection phone to PC and running moto software update on the PC.

All my apps and data is present. Now i have to root it back though.

Nikhil
[Atrix 4G General] mysticdrew:
Thanks but that wasn't really the same brick. You just had a failed OTA update, you didn't brick by flashing back a downgrade sbf
[Atrix 4G General] tonyneoh:
hi, i have this problem .... but it just can't boot up any then how to redo that you say . hope to see you teaching .
[Atrix 4G General] dung.le:
Hi,

I've updated my atrix succeed to 4.5.19 via OTA. My atrix was use 4.1.83 with Gladtrix before. I use following step to upgrade

- SBF back to 4.1.26

- OTA to 4.1.57

- OTA to 4.1.83

- OTA to 4.5.19

I wonder if I can Unlocked Bootloader or root device from this point?
[Atrix 4G General] xploited:
You can unlock the bootloader OTA to 4.5.19, but it will produce a semi-hardbrick which is curable by repeating the fastboot unlock commands.
[Atrix 4G General] knigitz:
This seems a bit redundant and misleading at this point.

Why do we need this thread? There is no hard brick with the OTA 2.3.4, the hard brick is downgrading using RSD to an OTA 2.2.x release after upgrading to 2.3.4.

Second, this workaround with fastboot to upgrade. Why? The only advantage is to be able retain the ability to use an OTA 2.2.x and flash it with RSD - something you tell us NOT TO DO. So why do we need this workaround? To retain the ability to do something you tell us not to do?

Just sum it up as "Do not downgrade with RSD", and not release a pudding injected sbf which requires us to use RSD because this suggests that you don't mind us using RSD, does it not? We have a perfectly working downgrade option using fastboot for people who are already on 2.3.4 OTA, this is good enough.

Right? Or am I missing something?

You can't downgrade the bootloader. Who would want to, why would we need to? Just upgrade with the OTA and downgrade with fastboot if needed if you want 2.2.x back.
[Atrix 4G General] barry99705:
The reason I tried is I was on the official gingerbread update, and I couldn't get root access, so I tried downgrading, before I ever saw this thread.....