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[Eee Pad Transformer General] Grumsh:
Good afternoon,

I posted this question on another droid tablet related forum, but I have been unable to find an answer, so either I am really dense and asking a really dumb question (hooray for me then) or no one knows the answer... yet!

I am hoping this is an I D 10 T error on the users part because I already had one defective Transformer and am not looking forward to a second return, but here goes me hoping for an answer!

When I pull up running apps on my tf101 under settings, it shows I only have a total of 562 megs of ram. It usually fluctuates at about 112 megs being used and 450 free adding up to well below 1 gig of ram. Doesn't the tf101come with 1 gig of ram? Is part of the ram locked down for future updates, or am I in possession of a defective tablet?

Thanks in advance.

I should mention I have the 16 gig version with a 16 gig mini memory card plugged into the unit (PNY brand I believe if it matters). I have upgraded to Honeycomb 3.1, and show no available updates from ASUS (I also have not rooted my tablet it is running stock OS no funny business here!).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] raypou:
There is 1G of ram TOTAL, but this is shared with the video carveout, framebuffers, and probably a few other things that need shared system memory.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Grumsh:
Thank you, I was kinda assuming that it was just ram being locked down for other processes and unusable, but thought I better ask some experts since I had some terrible luck with my first tf101.

Thanks again for your quick response.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
The 562 M bytes of RAM you refer to (Actually a 562MB portion of 16 Gb SD flash) is allocated for app storage, the remainder for app data ,music, photos etc. The 1gb RAM you mention is used for program execution,display etc. In addition Android 3.1 does some strange and undocumented dynamic Flash allocation for app stotage. get free disk usage app for detailed memory usage
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
Well, actually, there's 1GB of RAM, and then 16GB of flash storage. They're not the same.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
Thats what I said but flash would have been a more excepted word vs SDRam .Edited original post to clarify.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] loonie01:
What happened to the official gingerbread? Just asking and wasting time and space. :confused:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dnakaman:
What official update?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] akanatrix:
It's guaranteed to be out some time in the next year, maybe.
[Xoom General] csscmaster3:
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-32-coming-motorola-xoom-matter-days

I hope this is true
[Xoom General] henryr934:
i want touch wizz like the got port it to the acer
[Xoom General] Kippui:
Yup main advantage to having a xoom.

I don't even know what its like to be using 3.0! That is how good updates are lol.
[Xoom General] baggy247:
So it looks like the US will be getting 3.2 before the UK even gets 3.1... seriously Motorola, what a joke
[Xoom General] PaulG1488:
USA >>>>>

:cool:
[Xoom General] keitht:
Moto is a big joke sorry to say. I can't wait to find a replacement tablet and never buy another Motorola product again.
[Xoom General] IndivisibleP:
You are not alone. I take pleasure in knowing that none of my money will be spent on Motorola products again. I am happy that the margin of error on their part is so blatantly large that there will be tons of people who walk away from this experiance unwilling to ever buy a product from Motorola again on principle.

I like common sense of it all.
[Xoom General] musashiken:
Let me rephrase that for you.
[Xoom General] cheetah2k:
I thought I learnt my lesson with the Moto Atrix, but no, I had to go and get the MZ601 (EU) tab on Optus and its still sitting on 3.0 - probably never to see the light of 3.1 or 3.2...

Motorola really need to get their Fcuking asses into gear and demand carriers release FW on time and within a set period of the SDK being available.... Until they do this, they'll never be a top 3 manufacturer ever
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
From what I just read on the Moto forum, it seems the firmware approval process goes :

Carrier -> Moto -> Google

I honestly think it's Google holding up the approval process and moto is getting kicked in the teeth for it, same way they did with microSD.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
[Xoom General] Lothaen:
I bet no one has any idea if 3.2 will have better support for other language keyboards?

my uk keyboard is recognized as a US one :(
[Xoom General] qwerp_:
did more locale 2 not work for you on this?
[Xoom General] csseale:
Hell yes ...
[Xoom General] Lothaen:
nope

it set the 'language' at UK english - but the keyboard still recognized as US
[Xoom General] felixthecat:
i can't imagine they will think twice about non us updates. If they ignored us for 3.1 then 3.2 will probably be the same. I dont really understand this but how can they ignor the rest of the world ??
[Xoom General] Saviger:
The US is the larger market, also Motorola is a American company.

Just like Japanese companys release updates and products in Japan before anywhere else.
[Xoom General] Lothaen:
did you see the pie chart for android versions?

3.1 has 0.5% and 3.0 had 0.4% or something

'most' people have 3.1 now - so maybe they just imagine that most people have a US Xoom (or one of the other many models that have the 3.1 updates..)

Moto might think they are catering for a minority? :confused:

i thought it was interesting most 3.x were 3.1 though
[Xoom General] okantomi:
You know that our wonderful developers will be making it possible for all of us to get the latest updates ASAP.
[Xoom General] felixthecat:
from what i hear3.1 is out in japan and china.

its not hard to release it for europe now is it ? why should we have to risk bricking our product to get amarican version ?? anyhow if unable to support outside US please state that before selling it to me !!!! mabe i'm just being inpatient but I thought motorola were selling internationaly :cool:
[Xoom General] JiminSD:
My guess it has something to do with the EU and Moto ...not being able to adapt to specific requirements, I agree it is an international market things should go smoother.
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
Guys, from what I have been "informed" the 3.2 update will be here either sometime next week, or the week after with SD card support, browser bug fixes and a few other updates/enhancements. Again, please dont chew me out on this if it doesnt happen, but this was what i was told from a "source" who wished not to be named. So baring any issues, we will receive our SD card support here in the US with the update in a week or so...fingers crossed!!
[Xoom General] msavic6:
Can you ask your source when the 3.1 update will come to Canada?
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
Wow, sorry man but damn I don't understand why you guys are getting the shaft with the updates...If you are going to sell a product in another country, then you have to supply that country with the same updates, plain and simple. Hopefully they will just release the 3.2to you guys also, but its a really bad business model on Moto's part. Funny because I am actually thinking about moving to Canada in a year or two with my family, politics and ignorance in America is killing me now but that's a different story :)
[Xoom General] Terul:
Pretty sure that I read a news article saying that Canada will get a major update with SD card support "soon". "Soon" was later defined as in a couple months. I think that was near 2 months ago, so perhaps this 3.2 update will come to both Canadian and US users with full SD support.
[Xoom General] timrock:
glad to hear this.
[Xoom General] msavic6:
Yea, i think everyone outside the US has learned their lesson. The Acer Iconia is getting the 3.1 update in Canada, they announced the update and a day later somebody recieved the update on their tablet. The galaxy tab 10.1 is coming with 3.1 pre-loaded and its coming to stores in 2 weeks. Motorola announces the 3.1 update for Xoom's in Europe, Asia and Canada yet nobody has gotten the update to this day. I honestly dont understand what Motorola is thinking, there not going to have any customers at this rate. People in the US who bought the 3G version expecting a 4G upgrade are getting nothing, no information or even an ETA. Yet theres rumours of a Xoom 2 and a Xoom with LTE going through the FCC.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>I honestly dont understand what Motorola is thinking

From the price drop, clearance sales, and varying rumors of Xoom 2, it's safe to say the Xoom is close to the end of its life cycle. Per cost-benefit reasoning, Moto would prioritize its development resources elsewhere. Loss of some customer goodwill, while inevitable, would be gauged as minimal, given a) small Xoom userbase, and b) brand loyalty isn't strong for CE items nowaday regardless (other than for Apple).

That would be my cold-blooded guesstimate of Moto's corporate reasoning. As a multinational, sentiment plays little part in decision-making.

It's true on the other side as well. Those who bought the Xoom mostly because it was the first HC tablet available, not necessarily because they love the Moto brand.
[Xoom General] msavic6:
There trying to get a 2nd version out when they couldnt even finish the 1st one, what makes you think people are going to spend their money on motorola's 2nd xoom?
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
I still emphatically do not think the tablet which just passed FCC is the Xoom 2.

Releasing a slightly faster Tegra 2 tablet with LTE as the Xoom 2 would just get them laughed off of every review site.

I predict that we won't see the Xoom 2 until Tegra 3 is released in quantity, probably early 2012.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>There trying to get a 2nd version out when they couldnt even finish the 1st one, what makes you think people are going to spend their money on motorola's 2nd xoom?

The Xoom will get the 4G/SD upgrade; it's just later than people want.

Who'd buy future Moto stuff? Anybody. I would. As of now, the Xoom at $450 for 32GB wifi is probably the best deal of all the Teg2 tabs. Vendor support is only one factor. The Xoom has good build quality, it's cheap, and it's a GED (for US peeps). Just don't buy on promises.

From a recent Forbes interview of Moto's CEO, Moto's primary target for the next cycle will be the enterprise. It makes sense, because Moto can't compete on price with the likes of Acer & Asus.

>Releasing a slightly faster Tegra 2 tablet with LTE as the Xoom 2 would just get them laughed off of every review site.

How do you know it's a Teg 2? Anyway, if enterprise is the market, then other features counts for more than how fast the SoC is.

Regardless of whether it's called a Xoom 2 or something else, Moto will have other Android tabs this year. This is straight from the horse's (CEO) mouth.
[Xoom General] msavic6:
I'm pretty sure most people who bought the xoom based on promises will never buy a Motorola product again. They claimed alot of things and they still do. They still run the commercials about the xoom being upgradable to 4G yet they havent given a date. I love the way motorola builds their products but the way they promise something but give absolutely no information on the release is something that really bugs me. If they had given a date for when 4G would come or when the SD card slot would be activated there wouldn't be as many people that are extremely upset. Take a look at the official Xoom support forums, so many people are ticked off at the way motorola dealt with this. Not too mention the software updates for Canada, Europe, Asia will happen *soon*
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
Point, but I don't think the enterprise model will be called the Xoom 2.
[Xoom General] dubie76:
I love my Xoom, however I am one of those who is tired of hearing the unfulfilled promises. I no longer get my hopes up about updates. This non working SD card issue is really a bunch of crap. There is no reason why it doesnt work. I gave Moto the benefit that they pushed the device out early to get it out, but by now they should have released the update.
[Xoom General] poisike:
There is a very good reason for sd card not working, it's because the US Xoom is GED and because of that Motorola can't change the code to make it work. And i thought we all wanted a GED, at least i did and i'm happy with it.

Of course non US Xooms are another story.
[Xoom General] Kippui:
I hope no US user is complaining about the SD card because it isn't their fault.

Everything else fair game though.
[Xoom General] jutley:
Motorola gave us a car but without a fuel tank how silly is that moto i think they should change the slogan from hello moto to goodbye moto f....p...
[Xoom General] dubie76:
Never heard of anything like that. If that is the case, they should have made it clear from the begining.
[Xoom General] Brolloks:
I'm very happy with my Xoom except the issue with email not sending when I hit reply via exchange.

Custom kernel allows me to do whatever I want with it plus SD access, main reason why I will never get an iPad

Looks like 3.2 will address the email issue.
[Xoom General] Albert Wesker:
GED? What's GED in regards to Android? Sorry, I'm new to Android. And googling didn't come back with much.
[Xoom General] Infinite-T:
GED= Google Experience Device. This means that the OS on the Xoom is pure Google Honeycomb with no proprietary skins, overlays, code or drivers. Much like the Nexus phones, pure googe. In the case of the phones, it has meant that they get the latest and greatest android versions far earlier than other phones. Others, First the manufacturer gets the OS from Goog, then they skin it and fiddle with it to ad their own destictive touches to it before they release it to the carriers who further screw with it (and usually cripple it and pump t ful of bloat) and then finally push it out.

In the case of the Xoom however, unfortunatly, it has meant that while other HC tabs have some features we are missing that have been added in by the manufacturers, we are still waiting for the powers that be to figure out how to make the SD card work, and for the Verison users, how to get the LTE working...

Regardless of the reason, or whose "fault" it is, it is a bum deal for us. Many of us purchased these tablets knew FULL WELL that LTE and the SD card were inactive. (For those trolls who want to say, "You morrons need to research things before you buy it so its our fault, STFU and quit wining") But we bought in to a large reputable company's (Goog and Moto) promise that they will be "updated in the coming WEEKS". It has been what, about 6 months now? Sure... some could argue 23 weeks (and counting) is still weeks... but gees.

Not only does this hurt the consumers, but taints the image of Motorola (some say already tainted), Google, and the Android OS itself. No one benifits from crap like this, no one.

But, on the other side of this coin, we are no worse off than folks who have other popular tablets that dont have, and NEVER WILL have SD card and LTE.

I do hope 3.2 does come soon and we get our SD cards working (and bug fixes). Im going on a trip at the end of the month and the extra capacity would be great for movies and stuff for the trip.
[Xoom General] dwm2112:
BS!!! Pretty sure they have a host of attorney that could put pressure on Google to deliver. Don't recall hearing or reading anything about a law suit being filed...??? The Motorola name is taking a pounding and this will hurt their future sales so you would think a well run company would be taking all available steps to them to resolve the issue or at least give the appearance they were doing all they could do. Have they done that? NO they have not. Instead they have stuck their head in the sane in the hopes this would all go away...
[Xoom General] albundy2010:
Will you please shut the hell up with that crap.

Again. The us xoom is a GED as stated over and over again. EVERYTHING on a Google experience device gets ALL software from Google. NO OEM can issue a single line of code to a GED running stock android. No ****ing OEM can tell Google what to do with a GED. Not HTC/Samsung/Motorola none of them no matter what. No carrier that has a GED can touch it either. Tmobile/att can't do a ****ing thing with the nexus one. Samsung/tmobile/sprint can't do ****ing **** with the nexus s.

The only time ANYBODY can do updates to GED is when it is no longer a GED. Like the overseas ( vodafone) nexus one running the vodafone rom.

No OEM can sue over a GED.

Let me put it in terms that you ****tards can understand. IPHONE. Apple has complete control. GED is Google's iOS meaning they control everything.
[Xoom General] photopix:
Aussie Telstra Xoom's got 3.1 with SD support

What is Moto doing, can't they get their act together and offer all Xooms, wherever in the world they may be, the same version of Google OS.

My Xoom (UK model WiFi, changed to official Moto USA 3.1) has no SD support, yet my son's Aussie Telstra 3g Xoom just got updated OTA to 3.1 with full SD support. How confusing and no wonder Apple has and will keep the bigger market share with iPad
[Xoom General] eliteone:
while I can certainly understand your frustration about some countries getting updated before others (I'm in Canada watching my us friends with official 3.1) I have to say that androids greatest strength is also its greatest weakness, diversity. We love the vast a mount of devices, and options we have as android users, we revel in the ease of customization yadda yadda. But at the same time, this diversity is precicely the reason updates will never happen as predictably as apple can roll out updates. Apple has 3 versions of iPhone to consider and code for, as well as two versions of Ipad. Google already has countless numbers of tabs, and an insane a mount of phones to take into account. All with different hardware capabilities (excluding tabs witch are a very similar). Though I have to agree the way moto/Google have handled the xoom has been nothing short of tragic. Why they didn't make all xooms GED'S I doubt anybody will ever know.All nexus devices, until recently with the telstra og nexus have been GED'S. But lets be honest here..... we are here on xda, and I'll bet a fair ammount of us were early adopters of our xooms. Sometimes the price we early adopters pay is in high amounts of frustration as companies get there sh*t together. I remember the same frustrations with early android as well, but now look at 2.3.4 that is a truly tight os. Moto will have to fix the PR blunder they have made with the xoom, it only makes logical sense..... if they want any brand loyalty they will have to fix this situation. So I wait with baited breath on moto to reach out to us xoom owners and try to fix the situation. Its not unheard of, HTC did it with there bootloader problem, and Samsung did it with there galaxy s update issues.
[Xoom General] Kippui:
+1

US users shouldn't buy the xoom if they are going to complain about these issues. Root it or sell it people its that simple eh? The 10.1/Tobisha tab/Acer Iconia are good tablets to replace the xoom with. :)

Xoom is a GED device, for all we know its google's fault that verizon users don't have LTE yet instead of motorola.
[Xoom General] cheetah2k:
And not all Aussie Xoom's are born equal. Still waiting for the buggy 3.1 release on my Optus Xoom.. Probably will never happen. You guys should see the sh1t fight going on over @ the Motoroloa Owners forum... Not good, and its all Motorola's fail...
[Xoom General] dew.man:
cracks me up how people are whining about not having 3.1 whereas I just reverted to 3.0.1 as 3.1 is just too damn buggy! be thankful people!

and lets not forget that moto is a us company so why wouldn't they release in the us first? you don't see this kind of *****ing when htc releases numerous devices that never even make it to the us...
[Xoom General] popcity:
Looking forward to that..
[Xoom General] Lothaen:
Wish everyone would stop shouting at each other over issues that we have little-no control over.

Let's just wait and see what happens in the next few weeks.

Look on the bright side:

GED / US Xooms are getting 3.2 in several weeks probably with SD support

Moto / Non-US Xooms are getting Moto's version of 3.1 in several weeks with SD support.

Rooted Xoom's had SD support for ages.

Let's all be happy and go play with Google's new toy of the minute - Google+ :D
[Xoom General] dubie76:
I can see many people's points about the SD card support for the US model. I remember reading that someone posted "US users shouldn't buy the xoom if they are going to complain about these issues".

When I bought my Xoom, no where did it say that "we will never update your Xoom or SD card support so buy it as is". If moto is not going to give me a working SD card on the Xoom, fine. Just tell me. Dont blow smoke up my @ss with the "were working on it" but never deliver. Thats what I do not like.

So I guess what I am trying to say is Moto should either crap or get off the pot. Dont get our hopes up with rumors and unfulfilled promises. Tell us like it is.
[Xoom General] patass:
just throwing it out there, the nexus s is getting an update because of various incompatibilities with sprint's network and some other things. So carriers at least can make a difference.
[Xoom General] albundy2010:
What you are saying is pointless. Again it is NOT up to motorola to release ANYTHING for the us models/GED. Why in the world can't you people get it through your thick skulls?
[Xoom General] ratsalad:
Patience is the key, all good things come to he who waits :)
[Xoom General] csseale:
You're blinded is all. Many are.but you should not accept this like you are. Don't be a pawn. Open your eyes
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
Functional illiteracy or lack of reading comprehension/critical thinking skills.

GED has a specific meaning which requires quite a few pieces of incidental knowledge to fully understand.
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
Open your eyes and google "Google Experience Device".

Or, just read http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/google-android/articles/120843.aspx
[Xoom General] csseale:
I truely love you...just saying. You complete me
[Xoom General] queens49:
I agree, why don't complainers just shut up and sell their Xooms if all they are going to do is complain like little babies. I joined XDA because I wanted to hear about the latest developments for the Xoom. Now, I rarely read because the majority of posts are just pages and pages of people complaining.
[Xoom General] csseale:
That should tell you something. The unhappy are outweighing the ones who claim to be happy(or just like to be pushed around). I am sorry there are those of us who refuse to accept this like you have.
[Xoom General] zn706:
"Batwing," "mother M," "Motorola" or whatever you call them has pulled this crap for years. I'm a user of their public safety radio systems. Every time something new comes out there are always "unusable advertized features" that require a "future system upgrade" to make them work. Think you're mad buying a six hundred dollar tablet that lacks support, try buying a four thousand dollar handheld radio that advertizes features that you need but can't use yet....

And yes, they're notorious for total abandonment of recent products in the attempt to get you to give up perfectly good gear so you'll buy the latest and greatest overpriced communications gadget. It's their business model.

Motorola, promised tomorrow, delivered next year......
[Xoom General] zn706:
im thinking of selling my xoom for the new Toshiba tablet. At least the Toshiba integrates USB and HDMI into their docking station.
[Xoom General] Lothaen:
+1

I got the impression they couldn't be bothered with the Moto Razr too.

As long as they deliver on this - I won't buy a Moto again but still - if they deliver then we should quit complaining (for now)

Yes, it's taken a crazy amount of time, yes there's a load of other tablets in the market with sd support from the off, but as they said they are starting to push out the sdcard update - give them a little time now and see if it's any good...?
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>Patience is the key, all good things come to he who waits

Xoom buyers == early adopters != patience.