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[HTC EVO 3D] 1crazydude:
Yes, the difference in benchmark scores is due to the differences between how the processors run. (synchronous vs. asynchronous)
[HTC EVO 3D] nkd:
on every day use, you cant see a difference between a really good single core vs dual core. Yes when you bench it, you see a difference. I mean we use our phones to use them everyday and bench them every day.

I really doubt you would see the difference between sgs2 and evo3d processor on everyday use.

This is like having a dual chip graphics card and running it on a 17inch monitor and not even use all the power. That is what android is right now, it is just not that demanding. I still highly doubt on every day use you will be able to see a difference between snapdragon dual core or samsung's new processor even with ICS.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
I always though the benchmarks where due to the way the cores are set up/different. But I clocked my evo 3d to 1.8Ghz and ran quadrant on the performance governor. The highest I got was 2985. Now if I am correct, both cores should be maxed out due to the governor set by setcpu. If this is the case, the gs2 still beats the evo3d easily, even with the evo3d clocked to 1.8ghz.

I don't feel like this can be correct, but maybe it is? Maybe the exynos are that much better?

Or could it really be that sense 3.0 is a hog? I mean, with the hero, once it is on asop, you see a near 100% increase in scores.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
Doubtful since benchmarks that utilize one or both cores still favor the sgs2
[HTC EVO 3D] nkd:
depends on the person. I personally think that super amoled screens are over saturated, I looked at the droid charge at verizon store and I really didn't like how the colors were on the icons. Yes its a beautiful screen but I myself prefer slcd better, just because it seems like the colors are more naturals on it.
[HTC EVO 3D] nkd:
sense probably has something to do with it. It is a resource hog, although it runs smooth, it does eat up a lot of resources.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
I had the SGS2 for 3 weeks and the benchmarks do NOT reflect real world performance. The SGS2 did download web pages faster...by like maybe 3-4 seconds.

The build btw, feels way better than the current ones out...stronger plastic, matted back.
[HTC EVO 3D] aronslusa:
Even the gorilla glass website says our device does not have Gorilla Glass on it.

Love the review.
[HTC EVO 3D] hydrogenman:
let me stop you there, and just say you're full of it

This phone has a dual core 1.2 ghz, just came from the Infuse on AT&T with a 1.2 ghz single core. it's fine most of the time, but has annoying lags when it's doing things (installing apps comes to mind, among some others)

The evo's really yet to ever stutter or lag like the Infuse did.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Do you have the evo3d now? How would you compare/rate both phones?
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
It really is preference. I am looking for camera quality and SGS2 is better there so I might be moving there. The speaker quality is really good on S2 also.

But some like the heavier/build quality of HTC better. Many don't like the super amoled Samsung screens. If you love Sense its Htc. (I use launcherPro). The dev community will be stronger undoubtedly for Evo...(although SG2 was rooted immediately.)

But...it is megalight, powerful and yep, sexy.

All that said...might not see it released for a while...some release issues were reported yesterday. Google around.
[HTC EVO 3D] ameedi600:
Posted in the wrong thread on accident. Sorry
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
Sense 3.0 feels smooth to me as well, although it feels choppy and laggy on the Sensation. Speed isn't everything though because the G2x was real quick and I chucked that thing into the East River. I wonder if the Evo3d uses the Ext4 filesystem? The SGS2 is so if the Evo isn't you can add 500 points to quadrant once the device is rooted and custom kernels are released.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I'm pretty sure the 3d uses ext4

Even if its only on ext3 file read/writes

There isn't a major difference in the two.. but yeah it does speed up a bit

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] draghn:
Sense runs very smooth for me, and I actually really like sense 3.0. It seems if you visit the gs2 forums frequently, that phone has tons of issues for users too. I vote 3d, esp. after permit root. But I thinks its really good to have two phones to choose from that are both very good. At least, the gs2 looks very good to me. That video shouldnt be a deciding factor, just add to the knowledge/research of those that see it.
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
Yea.. but then what happens when you run both on AOSP? As far as sense 3.0 I like it, but it amazes me that there is still a lag when you use certain live wallpapers.
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
I don't understand all the fuss. All these phones are so comparable in specs that it really comes down to personal preference. It's like asking which car is better: Mercedes C63, BMW M3, or Audi S4? It all depends on personal preference... Just get the one you like most and quit the nonsense comparisons.

tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
If you want a comparison based on actual use:

Had the SGS3 testing on AT&T for 3 weeks before getting Evo3D.

Personal style preferences aside (ie: I didn't mind the build at all..way better than Galaxy's out there now, I like super AMOLED, I used LauncherPro, etc).... But...

From a functional standpoint it just outperformed my Evo3D... Ie: its a better device. (for the thinskinned here: I really do like the Evo3D... Great device.. OK?)

WiFi to WiFi it browsed faster, it loaded pages with one ATT bar faster than 4 Sprint 3G bars; speaker is loud, Gps was excellent (via Samsung's 2nd update.. Read second in 3 weeks), outdoors bright: camera shots were similar, anything less: game over.

It`ll be interesting to see how well HTC updates will address this stuff. There's an update leak mentioned in androidcentral I think and camera changes were mentioned. The You know it'll include a new radio. If I remember right we already had an update by now with the 4G... Surprised we haven't seen one... 12days left til return deadline.
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
Thats nice and all but it really means nothing.

#1. Does an SGS3 even exist? I dont think so but i think we know what you mean.

#2. You didn't test a phone that would work on sprint's network, or that had hardware to compare real world usage on a sprint network so there isn't a comparision to go off of.

#3. To make a comparision valid, I would think that such a phone would have to be in existence, and since neither samsung nor sprint has even said one single word about a "rumored" SGS2 even coming to sprint, this entire thread is useless, except to people who plan on getting one from oversea's and unlocking it on a different carrier.
[HTC EVO 3D] gmanvbva:
I will not purchase a Samsung (edit: product) phone until they prove to the general consumer to have better support and build quality.
[HTC EVO 3D] bootny:
Benchmarks!? Really? My girls gives better head than yours! As long as the phone works I'm happy....until they come out with a new which will happen and ANOTHER thread will be born.... ah history always repeats itself! Purify yourselves in lake minatonka! Much love!
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Fixed!

3D > iClone
[HTC EVO 3D] NewZJ:
sprints version will be called the "within"
[HTC EVO 3D] zander145:
Anybody wanna bet the 3VO will blow the SGSII out of the water once we get full root and unlocked boot loaders so we can load custom kernals on it? Maybe benchmark that can ACTUALLY test the type or processor this phone is would be good.

THAT SAID. You will obviously get a crowd that likes the 3vo posting this in the 3vo section... Its like going into the apple store and asking who likes the iphail4.
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
Yea? I've heard the rumor...but no confirmation from sprint nor Samsung so its all meaningless till it comes from them.

sent from the HTC evo 3d
[HTC EVO 3D] ricocollege:
The one being released by Att is not even the same phone, it is coming with nvidia chip.
[HTC EVO 3D] bootny:
Lol
[HTC EVO 3D] firsttimer44:
I agree, for some strange reason the EVO 3d is be highly underrated. Og EVO people are bashing it and people are already saying they are going to return it for something else. 3d or not this phone still has specs better than 98% of the market and could possibly be the best phone out there. There is not another phone on the market that is comparable to this besides maybe the sii, but that is a Samsung so it really doesn't count. (also I'm speaking about both the sensation and the EVO since they have the same specs)

Most of the Og EVO people saying this phone isn't that much of an upgrade are either dilusional or just upset they couldn't upgrade. And believe it or not we have really only seen 65% of what this phone can really do.
[HTC EVO 3D] dcfella:
I agree. Installing apps is so quick with the 3D, especially when compared to my old 4G evo.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I'd have to say my old Samsung Epic (right after a fresh installation of ECO5, FroYo) installed slightly quicker than this phone, but as many stated...it's all personal preference...Which is why I'm getting the SGSII when it comes out. :D
[HTC EVO 3D] nabbed:
That web browser is epically fast and smooth.

Someone should rip it out so we can try to run it on the 3vo.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
I have both devices as well and pretty much agree with everything you said. The sgs2 one ups the evo in pretty much every category I've put it up against. The personal preference of course comes down to do you like Sense and 3d. If you like Sense then evo it is. Obviously the unsubsidized price tag for the sgs2 is steep but IMO was worth every penny. I would probably keep the evo3d except Sprint is just terrible for me here in LA.
[HTC EVO 3D] dcfella:
I would love for the SG2 to come out by the end of the month so I could compare it to the 3D while i'm still within my 30 day window. Doesn't look like that'll happen though according to this article.

http://phandroid.com/2011/07/08/would-you-import-a-galaxy-s-ii-if-no-us-carrier-adopted-it-rumor/
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
It's called optimization, something HTC tripped and fell over. Why they didn't support hardware acceleration is beyond me.
[HTC EVO 3D] eman3316@optonline.net:
It seems like HTC just misses the mark of total greatness with all there top end devices. They have all the pieces put in place but somehow never produce the top performer with it.

There is absolutley no reason why the 3d should not run as smooth as the SGSII. There is nothing happening that even challenges a dual core processor yet on the phone. Everything should be smooth as butter.

Like posted above, it is all about optimization and execution of what you have.
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
I have the 3D now but when that phone hits the US im jumping ship. The screen alone is calling me.
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
I hear what youre sayin and all.. but im sorry i dont know hardly anyone thats going to choose the screen on the right in that pic if they didnt know which phone was which.
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
LOL, there is no such thing as a SGS2 in the US. It doesn't exist. LMAO!!!!!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] kawaski47:
How did he sound biased when the gs2 won the "tests" he had the phones do. He was reporting results lol
[HTC EVO 3D] kawaski47:
I may be jumping ship as well. Who cares about touchwiz or Samsung support when we have the devs here at XDA :-)

I'm sure mighty tasty roms are in development
[HTC EVO 3D] KingKuba13:
No it's not.

More to do with qHD, Sense, A8 based cpu, drivers/software optimization.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
You are correct, but the qHD screen has nothing to do with processor performance. That is more of GPU performance. If that is what you meant, oops. As for the rest of the other things, you are correct. People need to keep in mind that the Exynos is using the ARM v9 architecture so that will make a difference nonetheless.
[HTC EVO 3D] mcmikecruz1:
he's bias cause three quarters of the time he would press the samsung's screen first lol
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I think he was referring to the resolution of the qHD screen, not the screen itself.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Yes... I was saying that the resolution does not impact processor performance. It only impacts GPU performance.

qHD is not a screen either... SLCD is the panel. Think of qHD as Apple with its "Retina Display". Just a fancy way for pointing out high resolution.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Us version of sgs2 is gonna have tegra 2... Not the exynos chipset... So take a g2x benchmark and add touchwiz to it... SLOW

:)

sent from a 3devo
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
That article was proven to be for the Galaxy Z, not S. :)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15413948&postcount=149
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
But most benchmarks like smartbench,quadrant,neocore "benchmark" the gpu... And those do not have the ability to read a qhd or high res screen.... So yes it does affect the e-penis calculator

sent from a 3devo
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Hence I said it impacts GPU performance.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
That is a variant of the sgs2.... Just like the first galaxy s series looked or performed nothing like the i9000... I will be happy if it comes with exynos but I'm telling you now... Chances look slim... 2 months to "us release" and no defined chipset or anything.. owell my **** is in 3d your **** gives you a bigger e-penis

sent from a 3devo
[HTC EVO 3D] :
If you look at Samsung's website, it mentions that the hardware is subject to change overseas. So I believe it would come with Tegra 2... Also two GSM Galaxy S II variants passed through FCC with Tegra chipsets.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
And that guys says "the galaxy z or anything with GT infront of it will not be sold in the US...."

Why did the fcc pass it into the gsm family if its not gonna be on the market?

sent from a 3devo
[HTC EVO 3D] zone23:
My thought is even if the SGS2 is faster (which it is) who cares is it going to have cool custom ROMs? Doubt it. So what if it is faster and prettier big deal does it take 3D photos? No. We still have one of the fastest coolest phone available. We are making iPhones look stale. We are all on the same team, Android. Faster phones will come I hope because this is not my last phone.

Hay Nate got ya over that 99 bump.. LOL
[HTC EVO 3D] :
This is true. It is weird how (some) people will jump ship to Samsung for root even though HTC carries the bigger dev base, which they will always.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Thanks :) id throw you one too but someone forgot to add the thanks button on the xda app................

sent from a 3devo
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
Perhaps, but Samsung's dev support is large enough for me. I doubt I'd flash over 45 roms with minor differentiations.
[HTC EVO 3D] zone23:
I saw the video and the scores what I didn't see was the interface. Put CM on a EVO3D and see what you have or at a minimum load up some widgets on the SGS2 and see how it performs. I'm not saying it wouldn't still beat the EVO3D just saying I prefer the HTC interface.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Me too, I really like Sense 3.0. I just want a ROM with RAM optimizations and bloat removed.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Like I said... I wish stericson would block/close any threads about the "famed" European/kotean sgs2

Again let's wait and see both of them (us sgs2: tegra 2 or exynos which ever one the US version gets!) Run CM7 and same clocked speed then compare....

Because most of you WILL not switch to ATT or tmobile to use the sgs2 right now... So at the very least wait till sprint has its variant then compare

sent from a 3devo
[HTC EVO 3D] zone23:
WOW thats pretty harsh thing to say. I guess you would prefer to have three ROMs to choose from, and thats your choice. You know not everyone knows how to change a font or mod a clock. Things you might take for granted others don't have a clue. Some of the ROMs had minor differences and a lot of them got called out but its nice to have options. The more options the better. With that attitude I'm sure you wont be missed.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
This is true also. I know about game development, some programming and other complicated stuff, but I have no clue how to do anything android related. I've looked into it, and it isn't as easy as people make it out to be. I respect anyone who contributes to the community because I know they put their time and passion into their work. Whether the differences are big or not, I respect every developer equally.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I meant no disrespect towards the devs, I'm just angry that none of the devs from Samsung devices receive credit. I'm dropping my argument now.
[HTC EVO 3D] zone23:
Thanks I know this from experience with the EVO ROMs. I would build a ROM and someone would ask for something as simple as a battery icon swap. You know what I would do it just for that person. All they had to do was ask. It would take 5 minutes and 2 of it would be zipping and signing the ROM. I did it because someone wanted it. Not for myself. People today it seems that's all they think about is themselves if they don't want it no one should.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
What do you mean they don't receive credit?
[HTC EVO 3D] zone23:
I never said anything about the Samsung developers. Well I take that back I guess I kinda did but didn't mean any disrespect to the ones who are doing the development. I only meant that there aren't that many of them. I don't think maybe there are. I think that the interface that comes on the SGS doesn't condone to that much developing. For example the Xoom it doesn't have clocks and widgets and things that can be changed. So you change the base colors and your done there is nothing left to modify. HTC on the other hand we can not only change the color but we can change the panels, the rosie, the widgets. See what I'm getting at? It has a lot that can be changed were most other devices don't they are mostly just android.

edit:

worse grammar ever..
[HTC EVO 3D] vudu:
Also, keep in mind that the gsm version of the sgs2 will have a lot of device support. The Sprint version will have enough hardware differences (cdma, Wimax) to make it incompatible with a lot of the gsm roms.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Didn't affect the EVO 4G's development community. So may you explain how this has any relevance? I do understand what you are saying.
[HTC EVO 3D] zone23:
Its my fault I got off of the topic by talking about development.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
I am just curious because there were GSM variants to the EVO 4G, but that didn't hinder its development. Well to my understanding of course, but I am just curious.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
It has plenty of relevance. He is saying that maybe the gsm/international version of the SGS2 will have plenty of roms...but most likely those said roms (CM7, MIUI) will not be compatible with the cdma version we see on sprint and verizon.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Ohh that I see.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Your right, and the evo community had devs that were willing to take on the task of porting the GSM roms. Samsung cdma phones would require the same. So other words just because gsm SGS2 has roms doesn't mean the cdma SGS2 will have those roms...unless someone steps up to the plate.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Thank you, I do understand now. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Glad I could help bud.
[HTC EVO 3D] Smac7:
ill repost what i said on the source's comments section

"very important to note, 3vo has a higher resolution. This will lower benchmarks due to the phone rendering more pixels. also, dont quote me on this part, but the 3vo's dual core processor is asynchronous (will run the cores at different rates) meaning it does handle the threading differently then the gs2. Either way, both of these phones can scream. the true test will be to compare cyanogenmod on each of them once they're released, that could take a while though."
[HTC EVO 3D] :
High Res = GPU

The resolution will affect the EVO's GPU performance. Never the CPU. So this one is already a given.

In benches, it shouldn't make a difference because the processors will both be strained. This is to my understanding of course. Yes yes yes I know you said to not qoute you on it.

In the outside world of benches, there will be a difference. Asynchronous is better suited for multi-tasking.

Fact is, in the Galaxy's current state, the processor is better than the EVO's. The GPU, from what I seen from Anandtech, is not as significantly better.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
The CPU is involved. You can't run a game of Call of Duty with only a GPU. It takes calculations to determine the resolution and thread testing. GPU only has to do with rendering graphics.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
Asynchronous, synchronous it doesn't really matter all that much since Gingerbread isn't coded properly for dual core. The advantage asynchronous has is battery savings. But that being said, the Evo's strong suit has never been battery life.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Ummm the resolution impacts the GPU the most... It has little effect on a processor.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
I also didn't state the CPU not being involved, but the fact is.... Resolution has a heavy impact on the GPU. It is a known fact.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
True.

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[HTC EVO 3D] AyoJake:
remember when everyone said the galaxy s line was better than the evo?

yeah we saw how well they supported that phone.

i'll take htc's support and dev support over being a little bit faster with no support.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Of course their support sucked before, but how can you give a predetermined answer to a device that is yet to be released? There is still the possibility of them fixing their problems in regards to support. Now in regards to hardware, there is a high probability that the Galaxy S II is going to be released with an Nvidia chip-set. Two GSM Galaxy S II's have passed through FCC with Nvidia chip-sets.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
So how's that HTC support coming along :rolleyes: They definitely support locked bootloaders :eek:

I agree that HTC for the most does a good job of supporting their devices as does developers.

Samsung in the past sucked but people need to move on and realize that atm Sasmung is doing more to support development than HTC is. I mean crap, Samsung gave a SGS2 to a CM developer to put cm7 on it.

And really Samsung doesn't have any development support? Have you wandered over to I9000 section, there are a ton of mods/roms available for any variant of the device.
[HTC EVO 3D] AyoJake:
judging from the past lets see...

hero>moment -moment was faster yet still didnt get updates and barely had dev support.

evo>epic -again may have had the better cpu but again barely any updates and barely any dev support
[HTC EVO 3D] :
HTC released multiple updates to fix numerous issues in regards to the EVO. I think their support for the device is excellent as of now. Now in regards to locked bootloaders, people claim that the CEO mentioned they will unlock the bootloader for the HTC Evo 3D. If this is true, then only time will tell if they back up that statement. I don't think the person was talking about developmental support in the first place either.
[HTC EVO 3D] AyoJake:
doesnt look good in my eyes if you have to give a phone to a dev to put cm on it also i personally dont care for cm so its whatever.

and they will unlock the bootloader people need to chill the f*ck out and give them time so what if it doesnt happen with in 30 days if it bothers you take the phone back so the people who want to enjoy the 3vo can with out people *****ing.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Yes the past does show that Samsung has not been on their a-game in terms of support, and updates. You still can't assume they'll do the same for their next device though. Things are always subject to change.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
There is no need to use foul language in the thread. It will only create arguments so let's best avoid that.

Fowl = Foul

LMFAO
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
Ah, I thought he was talking about development support. Good point :)
[HTC EVO 3D] Genjinaro:
+1 Still some people are aching over buyer's remorse somehow. :rolleyes: The EVO 3D is only 2nd to the GS II & a month later, something x2 more powerful will trump that...:p

On another note I find it crazy that U.S. carriers don't want it because of their favor of Moto, hell Sprint only recieved Moto Androids this year. I'm sure they'll budge & the GS II will eventually come stateside but I doubt it'll be in time for people to make their exchanges.