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[Eee Pad Transformer General] rabidturtles359:
Just got my tab.... green seal, I think its the b60... umm b4 I even got to check for light bleed, I noticed if I push on the left side plastic it gives in quite a bit... but other edges are good and if I try and twist the tab it doesn't give... is this worth keeping or should I attempt a second pick for one without
[Eee Pad Transformer General] zephiK:
You can check what model it is by looking under the tablet or behind the box where the tag is. The S/N will start with B40/B50/B60.. by that you'll know.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rabidturtles359:
Yea its a b50 sorry I saw after I posted
[Eee Pad Transformer General] MarlowXim:
Expand to B70 as well

I swapped out my B60 for replacement with a B70. Seems the B70 lcd was calibrated to be much more "Cooler" thus giving much more blue tones, and slightly higher brightness. The backing also felt more textured compared to the B60. There was quite abit of light bleed, and so this will be going in for return. Although I could overclock to 1.6 ghz @ 1425 using Cleyman's Kernel

In comparison the B60 was more calibrated to more "warm" more yellowish (preferred). The back texture felt much more smooth. Build quality suffered in lcd and bezel seating, was improperly seated. Overclock range was 1.503 ghz @ 1325 mV stable. Probably could hit 1.6 ghz stable @ 1450 mV.

Overall I would choose the B60 just due to the lcd being much more color accurate and the lack of light bleed.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] zephiK:
There's a B70 now?! and I have a B50.. there are minor bleeds but are barely visible so I didn't bother with it. Could of been a lot worse.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] MarlowXim:
Yes the B70 are available at Staples in Canada (new shipment to replenish stock) physical stores only. I reordered Dock + Tablet combo and hoping I'll be getting a B60 once again. The B70 is going for return unfortunately.

I suggest to @ASUS to integrate RGB calibration like the 7" Galaxy Tab so users can adjust for LCD manufacturing variability. (due to LG?) It would cut down on their returns.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] brett_day:
I have a B60. Minor light bleed along the bottom of the screen, I also have one speck of dust underneath the screen in the top left corner, but i can hardly see it when it in use.

I will say though this this is my second tablet. The first one i purchased went straight back to the store as there were 4 specks of dust under the screen and the light bleed was horrible. The first unit was also a B60.

One question for you guys. On both tablets I have owned. I do not hear any clicking(input) sounds when typing on the keyboard, even though the option is turned on in the settings. Speakers work fine otherwise. Has anyone else noticed this?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] zephiK:
You check the sound setting? hit up on the volume rocker then on the right. toggle it for more options anything muted?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] brett_day:
Yeah it is really bizarre. Everything is selected to be on. I even hear the sounds when i touch anything on the screen, but when it comes to the keyboard there is nothing. I just double checked to see if the sound on keypress was off, but it was checked. It does not bother me enough to say I would do a hard reset but it is puzzling me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Lanpirate:
Same here, B60, no click when typing. I hated it anyway.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] brett_day:
btw, not rooted and I am running stock
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kodakeos:
wow mines a b50. No light bleed. Little creaking but that seems to have settled out.

Mines near perfect I guess

Speakers were unbalanced but the fix solved that....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] shawnathan9:
I'm on my 5th return for a B60 tablet with defects; light bleeding, poorly seated LCD on bezel (it used to click/creak when touched on lower left), and out of the box cosmetic damage (small dings/dents on metal bezel).

I've been through 5-6 B50/B60 docks for various reasons all mentioned on this thread.

I'm finally with a B60 again and it seems to be okay but now the hinge to connect the tablet is off-centered so it makes tablet overlap on the left side when closed. - About 1-2mm.

Yes, we're picky because we want something to look as it should look and function as it should function. I love the Transformer for all it's options and still have no major gravity toward other tablets. HOWEVER, I'm starting to add up my gas/time expense throughout all these returns and I feel like I'm doing much more work than I should just to get a good quality item.

I'm about ready to use that $100 coupon and get another tablet if this baby was not so awesome.

So far, I've returned the entire dock/tab to Best Buy, just last week, to repurchase so I keep my return policy going.

I'm very persistent to get this right. ASUS, why the hell must I do all the work to get one good tablet and dock????

XD
[Eee Pad Transformer General] smooney3:
I have a B50 tablet and dock. I've had it for about a week and the only problem I have is a tiny amount of light bleed. It's so minor that I didn't even realize it until I read about the problem on the forums and made a point to look for it. Thanks internet. ;) If I have to go to a dark, windowless room, turn the brightness up all the way, and look at it at just the right angle to see it, I think I can live with it. I certainly won't be returning it, since I might get one that actually does have a problem , lol.

Aside from that, it's as close to perfect as it could be. No creaking or other build quality issues. I have noticed that the battery drains a little when it's asleep, but I turn it off most of the time that I'm not using it and can still go 4-5 days on a charge, so who cares. I guess if I had to come up with a problem, the USB ports are super tight, but that's probably more of a pro than a con, lol.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hipertec:
just got a B50, can anyone describe what a light bleed is and how to test the creak?

What should i be looking for?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Does your tablet do what you want it to? Are there any defects that bother you?

If the answer is no, then you've just QC'ed your tablet and it passed.

All of this light bleed, creaking crap is just ridiculous. Asus used parts that were binned the way they were to keep their profit margins acceptable. Light bleed is a way of life with IPS technology and a little creaking is not the end of the world. They are not defects but rather idiosyncrasies that make the tablet yours.

If you like it the way it is, why worry about it?

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Pyrot1c:
ive got a b60 unit, I definitely have some light bleed, though very minimal only in 2 spots , bottom left corner and almost bottom right corner.

as for creaking, my unit is luckily very solid, no creaks no separation, nothing its Perfectly solid
[Eee Pad Transformer General] shawnathan9:
Heh, all this work I'm putting into finding the perfect Transformer just confirms hownmuch I think this tablet is a BEAST!!!

Yes, some would not put up with this kind I'd methodical madness but they just don't have the FEVER like I do ;)

I might just return this and wait for Oct/Nov. For the TF2!!!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bomox:
b60, no light bleeding at all, one dead pixel, no creaking, slight speaker imbalance and a visible but small gap between screen and frame
[Eee Pad Transformer General] phoranix:
Ive both b60. Battery dock draining: yes; rebooting again and again after putting to sleep: yes, or falling into deep sleep: yes. (Just stock kernel).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deeren:
I don't think that it will be worth waiting for October. If you need one now, just get it. For one, and I really doubt that we will see ice cream before December and secondly, due to the success of the tf, I don't think asus will keep their next tablet on the low budget profile...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] themassofthesun:
Hey guys, I have the transformer b 50 and I have a moderate amount of creek at the bottom left hand corner like the bezel separating from the screen... Should I take it back... I got it last week
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mrevankyle:
repping b70 from Canada staples. Very little light bleed only problem is little gap between screen and bezzel at the power volume buttons
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rabidturtles359:
Okay so I got a b50 last night and now im exchanging tomorrow. It has the creak on the whole left side that I immediately noticed

But last night I noticed light bleed all along the bottom... its very noticeable in low light rooms. Also noticed white residue all around the seal and the seal dented all around(nbd).

I am exchanging tomorrow so wish me luck
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dhamma110:
B40 very very little light bleeding. That`s it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Geekbabe:
IQUOTE=lordgodgeneral;15874969]What about us with the B30. Feel left out in the cold lol. Mine has pretty much the standard, some light bleed under abnormal conditions, slight creaking if I squeeze hard on the back. But under normal conditions, nothing really noticable.[/QUOTE]

I have a B30 and am so far satisfied with the build quality.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Killa357:
I have a B60 and haven't had a single issue. Now I haven't had another one to compare it to (unless you count in store demos), but from what I can tell there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The closest thing to a flaw that I can find is at the lower part of the screen where the charging port is at, I have noticed that between the glass cover and the bevel there is a gap about the width of a hair and if you hold it at the right angle you can see a slight reflection of a metal component beneath the screen. This is almost impossible to see. If I wasn't a bit OCD about the quality of the products I buy, I wouldn't have noticed it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] r_nt:
If it's bothering you, yeah, definitely take it back.

Btw, I have a B4 tab and other than some minor light bleed (that my bro with an ipad didn't notice) and the unbalanced speakers, I'm good. Think I'm gonna wait at least until 3.2 before I try the speaker fix.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Yes. Take it back and leave it. It is NOT a defect and RMAing at such is stupid. You're just driving up the cost of the next Transformer. If the creak bothers you, then get a tablet that won't creak.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] danr238:
Well that was quite a constructive bit of input. You seem like you are the one footing the cost for Asus' deficiencies. If the guy/girl has a legitimate complaint about the workmanship of the $400 device he purchased its his right to RMA/return it. Worse then hearing all these complaints is having someone like you constantly chime in as some sort of advocate for the company. Really you think these guys RMAing/returning their device will have an impact on the cost of the next generation of transformers? Give me and everyone else a break their Wheatie!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
Light bleeding or dead pixels I can understand but creaking is where I draw the line. It's such a miniscule issue unless it flexes so hard that it looks like it's going to snap off.

Then again if Asus made these correctly to begin with they wouldn't be facing such a huge number of returns if you're that worried about it driving the cost up. It's not our fault, it's their fault technically.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ikeny:
I sold my B50 dock + Tf, and bought the new combo (one box) from staples.ca . The new one has no light bleed, no creaking, no battery drain during powered off. I have so much happier with the new batch.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] husher:
... ... ... wtf

*goes to staples.com*

*reads outta stock*

:mad: *flips his F***ing desk*
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
People would be more constructive if we weren't continually reading folks from people bragging about returning six, eight, ten or more tablets for utterly miniscule issues that exist on every tablet on the marketplace. (Newsflash: Go frequent an iPad forum and you'll see them complaining about light bleed, case flex/creak, etc. on the much-vaunted iPad 2 as well.)

I actually read a post from one a**hole yesterday who was going to return his tablet and get yet another, not even because he had a problem -- just because he wanted to renew his return window so he could return the next tablet too if he finds some other miniscule issue to obsess over.

Seriously, people, if you return more than two tablets to the retailer, you should be banned from purchasing any more. One return is reasonable. Two is reasonable if you've given up and have no intention of sticking with the product any more. Three or more returns for an identical product for minor cosmetic issues is not reasonable -- all you're doing is driving the cost up for all of us, as somebody has to cover the cost of testing and repackaging your product, shipping it back and forth, processing orders and returns, etc. etc. -- and they're no longer legally allowed to sell those returned products as new, so they will all sell at a significant loss to Asus and the retailer.

Returns for petty, cosmetic issues are not to be encouraged. This is the real world. Your tablet -- unless you don't use it -- is going to get scuffed up, dirty, and aged with use. If you don't like a tiny amount of case flex / creak, a few glue marks you can't see without a magnifying glass or your camera's macro mode, a single mote of dust somewhere, or whatever, DON'T BUY THE PRODUCT.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
And quality control would stay crappy.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] danr238:
Well thats nice and all but some of us don't want to throw $400+ at a electronic device that has manufacturing faults. Yes these are cosmetic, but cosmetics are part of the appeal of a product. If they couldn't manufacture it on a mass scale while maintaining quality faultless workmanship then they should be held accountable. I'm sorry I'm not going to hold back getting mine fix just so a CEO can enjoy a trip to the Cayman Islands or get a multimillion dollar bonus. Not my problem honestly. I spent my hard earned money on this device and expect any faults to be because of my mess up not the manufacturer. Plain and simple how about if you don't like the cost being driven up because of returns and RMAs why don't you just go by a second hand device on ebay. Listen man you aren't going to win this argument here. There are definately QC issues here on this device. The overall product is great, but that still doesn't mean a company should manufature it half-hazardly.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] themassofthesun:
+ 100000000000 and even with that, the cosmetic issues can lead to real issues. Following the creaking, my screen is separating from the bezel. Luckily I have had it for only a week and can return it to best buy. B50 btw
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
You're opinion is really just an elaborately constructed straw man. It's just window dressing for the real issue - The QC is part and parcel of the appeal of the product. If you're unhappy with the quality control instituted in this product then don't own it. Justifying it as some sort of accountability issue is asinine. They built this product and sold it at this price point knowing full well that many of these parts are B-stock and suboptimal. It's not some sort of consumer right to demand they make you a flawless product at whatever price it's on the shelves for.

Let me use a little analogy to make my point. What would you do if you went to grocer a bought a flat of strawberries and a few of them were moldy? Would you take the whole flat back and demand a new one? Probably not. You'd throw a few of them out and enjoy the rest obviously. Of course, you're going to tell me that this is different. It's electronics. It's within their power to make sure they all work perfectly. Well yes, yes it is. The farmer also has the power to go through every flat (or the grocer for that matter) and throw out all the bad strawberries--But that's going to take time, reduce yield and drive up the cost of the product. If you buy strawberries from the grocer and each flat has quite a few moldy fruits you're going to stop buying from that grocer and instead find a farmer who spends the time and money to make sure his fruit is more fresh.

Asus made a conscious decision to increase yield and keep prices down at the expense of some overall perceived quality. This is how the market works. As a consumer you have a right to purchase a product, and clearly have the right to not purchase their product, but that's where it ends. What do you honestly think the end result of this little escapade is? Do you think the CEO says, "Oh shucks, I guess these consumers don't like my QC. Better take a pay cut to keep selling Transformers at $400 bucks." No, they'll either raise their price point to afford higher binned parts, or they'll deem that the market isn't profitable and stop making them altogether.

Just to make one last point, what do you think would happen if you couldn't return it to the store and instead had to RMA it? Clearly your perception of defect and everyone else's is different.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rabidturtles359:
Exchanged it today. Luckily the best buy rep grabbed the only black seal out of 20 green seals. So when I exchanged it, customer service allowed me to open it and check for defects... no creaking or screen issues(placement/seal) and the best buy rep even took it in the back and said he'd check for light bleed. So everything seems good as far as I know. I have not turned on the tablet or played with it because I bought zagg screen protector... ugh I will rage about this in the other thread but it didn't turn out good whatsoever im just bad at wet application I guess but directions says to leave tablet off for like 24 hours so I haven't had time to play with it or anything. So I will update if anything comes up.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
I agree with your points sassafras but I have to tell you this IS NOT a low cost device. I have over $750 in my TF experience with dock and SD cards. Besides, I think all 32GB devices are around $499.00. I only took my first one back when the screen died completely and exchanged it for a newer B6 build that has worse light bleed than the B5 I previously owned. I won't take this one back, I'll live with the bleed, it's not that big of a deal to me but it is quite noticeable. I will be happy to endure the bleed as 2 out of 3 TF units have a certain degree of unsatisfactory amount to customers and don't think I would be lucky enough to ever find one that doesn't have any... I won't be too critical with Asus, but when a new device comes out that is better, I will kick this TF to the curb without a second thought... There are QC issues with the TF, I don't think anyone could deny that. If Asus wants my loyalty and repeat business, they better do a better job... Peace
[Eee Pad Transformer General] danr238:
Great story but I didn't buy a flat of transformers. I bought one. And no I'm not exchanging it. I'm RMAing it for the standby battery drain issue. Why? Because it's not right. It's a defect. Just like an improper seal, dust under the screen, light bleed, etc, etc. My argument is no elaborately constructed straw man. Its all true. You're the one who has to make analogies which are completely off the grid of what you and I are discussing here. I have no intentions to change the way Asus QCs their crap, just the way they QC the crap I buy from them. Regardless of the price point they offer a warranty and if I and Asus feel the defect is covered under that warranty it is our deal. This all started with you being self righteous with your smartass comment to someone asking if they should return what they felt was a defective unit. I guess all I can say is some people demand things to be perfect and others settle for subpar. You my friend must be the latter ;-)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Friko:
Anyone know what the 'improvements' are in the B70 models that just came out?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
I have heard of these only in Canada as of this week. I don't think there were any changes in hardware, we would have heard news on the web. Has anyone found B7 models in the States yet?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Then you think incorrectly, and would do well to educate yourself before offering opinions. LOWEST prices on Pricegrabber, without even checking that they're from reputable retailers (ie. the real lowest prices may actually be higher -- they're certainly not lower though). And note that these are street prices, whereas $499 is the retail price for the 32GB Transformer -- street for the Transformer is $489.99 on Pricegrabber.

* Blackberry Playbook 32GB: $550 minimum

* Toshiba Thrive 32GB: $579 minimum

* Apple iPad 2 32GB: $598.88 minimum

Then there's the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet. They don't have a comparable (ie. non-3G) 32GB version, but the 16GB non-3G version is $599 -- $100 more than we're paying for the 32GB at MSRP.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
Some people just want to argue... I guessing your opinions are Gospel?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] shawnathan9:
+1

There is something compeling another to preach their way.

Nevertheless, back on topic.

B60 here after several good/bad docks and I have to say that the dock issue is random and with some items at retail but more prominent than not.

Why do I say this? I came around from a perfectly working one, which I had to return due to cosmetic defects; out of the box blemishes with dents (really ASUS QC???)

I'm currently the owner of a B60 dock that stains ridiculously fast while sleeping persay. Please welcome me to the club ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
They're not opinions, they're facts. And I'm not arguing -- have no interest in doing so. I'm simply correcting completely factually incorrect information. You stated that all 32GB tablets are the same price. That's not remotely close to being true.

The most popular tablet series on the market by far is over $100 more expensive for a 32GB version. That's almost a quarter more expensive than the Transformer, a huge difference. What you posted is hence complete rubbish.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
This isn't a lot of strawberries, it's a single product. The two aren't even remotely related. The lot of strawberries is governed by some quantity n of which if n is large, who gives a **** if a few are moldy? The Transformer by comparison is one unit and a sealed one at that. The failure of any one component equates to a failure of the entire product as far as the consumer is concerned. There is no repairing it on their own or living with the issue. Furthermore all of the strawberries are assumed to be equal while the components in the Transformer are certainly not equal. I agree that creaking is a bull**** issue to RMA over but a dead screen is certainly far more severe.

If anyone is making a strawman argument it's you by pulling this ridiculous and farfetched strawberry lot analogy that barely clings to the scenario.

The only thing I'm going to agree on is that some issues are far less severe than others and if you burn through four units or greater you're a moron. :cool:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Neo3D:
Ditto, no issues here either.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dharkenrahl:
Thought I would chime in real quick.

Bought from BestBuy first one was B50 (Frankly should have just stayed with it, the dock and the tablet were great, did have drain and light bleed so i thought i would roll the dice and return it aiming for perfect.) Well second B60 Dock and B60 Tablet, More light bleed than the first one and the dock had Drain AND a sticking space bar. Back to the store 3rd dock B50 perfect still drains but i can live with it. Tablet B60 with MAJOR defect in the screen white dots in the lower left and cent about 1/16". 4th time is the charm. B60 some light bleed but works flawlessly, WE ARE GOOD lol.

The Rahl