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[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
For all of the people *****ing about this open bootloader, what happens when Sprint just plain says no? They have every right, and it is in their best interest to do so. HTC can have every great intention in the world, but it comes down to the carrier giving it the final ok. Just look at Cincinati Bell and Moto, moto drug their feet on updating the phone, Cinci Bell made their own 2.2 update for it.

So how about this. HTC unlocks the bootloader, then they lock the emmc tighter than fort knox. So now all you crybabies have unlocked bootloaders, and a write protected emmc so you can't flash anything anyway. Actually I hope they do this, just to shut some of these people up.
[HTC EVO 3D] lafester:
obviously they will stick with samsung or any other manufacturer who will provide them with what they want.
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Its not a carrier issue.

HTC knows why we want un-encrypted bootloaders to do what you're suggesting would be a waste of time and effort because we would be in the sam place. It doesn't really make sense and wouldn't bode well for HTC...
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
How Samsung uses locked bootloaders. And we all know that with a locked bootloader you are unable to do anything with the phone. I mean its impossible right? All those people who own Sammys and say they are rooting have to be lying.

Yeah, un-encrypted and unlocked are two different things. The carrier has more to say about it than you think, do I think sprint will say no. Probably not, I don't think they care. Do they have the right, **** yes they do.

So they can unlock all of the bootloaders, and still manage to **** everyone. I'll just keep on laughing if they do too.
[HTC EVO 3D] Devi0124:
My rooted epic runs smoother than my wifes evo3d...and gets better benchmarks for the number junkies. I could care less about updates... our devs are aawesome and do better than samsung ever would. If the 3d were unlocked and overclocked I realize that it would run circles around the epic but stock it doesn't touch it. I was dissapointed and wanted to take it back but the wife likes the pretty animations. And... as far as I know HTC never said they were unlocking the 3d. They said FUTURE devices. Even though you did not have a 3d yet it was already in Sprints hands. I'm not saying they won't unlock it... just saying that they never said they would. My wife liked the phone stock so it was good for her but I knew it wasn't unlocked so I'm waiting... everyone else complaining about it being locked should have done more research.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Everyone who bought this phone and felt that you where "promised" HTC will unlock it should just return it now and wait for the photon or sgs2

/thread

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[HTC EVO 3D] bricky23:
STFU U POS! F-OFF

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[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
Its the ones who have no idea what unlocking the bootloader does that have the loudest voice.

I'm serious when I say I hope they encrypt the entire damn thing. I hope they lock it so tight they can't even update it. I'm so sick of these threads its not funny.
[HTC EVO 3D] Devi0124:
Samsung doesn't....as a matter of fact the cyanogen team already has versions of the sgs2 sent directly from samsung. I had the moment and I have the epic....both rooted and overclocked. There may be certain phones that are locked but I have not seen it.
[HTC EVO 3D] xweaponx:
I miss my SunCom Nokia 5160 with the flashing battery, keypad and battery.

Life was so much simpler back then...
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
Samsung does in fact use a locked bootloader. When was the last time you were able to boot to it and flash anything? Thats right, never. In fact, you have to use Odin/SWupdater to flash via the bootloader and DL mode.

I developed MeatKernel for the Moment, as well as tinkered with the Epic. You guys think that locked bootloaders prevent all sorts of things. What you are worried about is encrypted bootloaders. You can have an "unlocked" bootloader that is still encrypted.
[HTC EVO 3D] zone23:
Thats why its good we have guys like you who can teach us stuff even if it is in your own smart ass way. Just because everyone isn't at your level doesn't mean we are all stupid. Its too bad you don't talk like we are people, you probably could have a lot to share.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
Here's a question to all of the people who are bashing the people who want to return their devices. Would you have bought the device if HTC never said they would unlock the bootloaders or if some of the devs had a look at the phone and said that root was impossible and this phone was gonna have to run stock forever? Would you have still purchased the phone or keep it after 30 days, especially with the GSII around the corner that does have root? Doubt it! 99% of the people on this site are here because they like being able to tinker with their phones. We are here to find and use tweaks made by devs that make our phone better. Fact is, this site isn't for the average person who just buys phones. So if you are on this site you are here to do more with your phone than what was intended by the manufacturer and 99% of you wouldn't have bought the Evo 3D if you knew for sure you couldn't do just that! Root is not guaranteed and neither is HTC unlocking the bootloader within a reasonable time. We may be waiting 6 months or more before we are able to flash and do what we want with this phone. I for one am not waiting that long. This phone may be on top now spec wise but how long will that last? A month? Three tops before the next great thing drops? Don't know about the rest of y'all but HTC/Sprint has 14 days and counting before they get my 2 Evo 3D's back!
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Exactly! We are all experts in different things.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I am keeping it until someone in my area gets 4G (tmobile I hope)

Even if I can't fully flash a ROM we have temp root after a week from release

It will happen just like the people with the thunderbolt they got luck yes but it is coming

You better just return them now because I doubt s-off will be here by then sorry to disappoint you...

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[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
I love how everyone threatens to take there phone back if the bootloader isnt unlocked. I literally know 13 people with the evo 3d. Iam the only one who even knows what xda is. For every 1 person that wants this phone for flashin roms theres atleast 10 or more who wouldnt dare doing anything to there phone that could screw it up. People love this ohone for what it is. If everyone on this forum took there phone back today it would not put a dent in sprints pocket. Hell some stores are sold out and will make money off the restocking fee
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
yes I would have still bought the phone.

I'm not purposely talking down to everyone, I just have no personality.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
It's not about hurting Sprint/HTC. We know we make up the small minority of people who actually bought or will buy the phone. It's about personal choice. I like the phone, but having root & being able to flash gives the phone a new life. Look at the Evo 4G. Every phone I've had since then the Apache let me tweak, mod & change things around to my liking. I for one won't go back in time 5 yrs just for a phone because it has great specs. Especially when there are phones out or right around the corner that are just as or more powerful than the 3D that will let me do what I want with it.

So you would've bought a phone knowing that it will be stock forever? Then why are you on a site dedicated to "hacking" phones? To look around at all the things that people can do with their phone that you can't? Sorry, not calling you a liar because I don't know anything about you but I find that very hard to believe.
[HTC EVO 3D] ropodope:
apparently NOT doing anything to it will also screw it up. The point is the people should have the right to screw it up and htc should have the right to void your warranty if you do screw it up in this way. It's called choice.

do you love it?

do you really really love it?

ropodope

Sent from my Vaelpak GB AOSP Preview Edition v0.2.2 for evOG. No bricks here.
[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
Yea, lets hope the phone is not as customizable as its predecessor so you can see less threads about the bootloader issue. :rolleyes:. Take a step back from XDA.

Do people really think HTC did not understand what the intention of the request was for? It's simple. People want to do what they want on their phones. HTC knows what they have to do to make that happen.

If they make a change to the bootloader but we are still stuck with stock roms/kernels etc, that was not the obvious request of the vocal minority.

Why do people get so butt-hurt when someone threatens to leave the carrier/handset/phone brand, etc? This is why.

If HTC does not open the handset before your 30 days are up, you have your choice. As for those harping on the folks who bought it, they can still return it. If those same folks still have the phone after they lose the ability to return it, FLAME ON.
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
I'm not 'threatening' to take it back to 'hurt' sprint or HTC. I AM taking it back if it's not unlocked, not threatening. I know that it's not going to hurt sprint or htc in the slightest. I just will have no desire to have this phone if I can't use the custom software that the developers will provide. Also, the longer this phone stays locked, the less development it will have. Developers aren't going to sit around and wait for months to get the phone unlocked. they will be wanting to build roms, kernels, themes, hacks, etc. I go where the development goes, because that it was I enjoy most about having an Android. As of now, the Evo 3d has a crapload of awesome developers who can't even do any developing yet. They will most likely stick around and wait for a little while, but the longer it goes without S-0ff, the more likely the devs will be to jump to a different phone, so that they can DEVELOP. I will follow where they go.

Some people may be perfectly happy with the Evo 3d if it never gets root, and that is fine. The Evo 3d is a badass phone, even without full root...that's not arguable. However, for people who bought it for a certain reason (flashing custom software, modifications, tweaking this, tweaking that, etc etc) and we can't use it for that reason...damn straight that I'll return it and wait for a phone that I can actually use how I want. I love this phone, and really hope it gets unlocked, however I'm not going to sit around and wait forever for it. I know that getting S off is a major challenge for #teamwin, and it won't happen overnight. HTC has locked this phone down like they've never done before. I don't have any expectations of them to get S off within 2 more weeks, but I certainly hope that they do find a way to do it, or that HTC follows through and unlocks it for us.

But bottom line, is that I'll get a phone that has a strong development community. Right now the E3d has just that, but the longer it stays locked the less and less devs it will have.
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
Amen. 100% Agree. Perfectly worded.
[HTC EVO 3D] EricSS619:
I'll wait with the EVO3d as long as there is a chance for a mik ROM
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
I agree that everyone has a right to return the phone. Hell you can go into sprint and say i dont like the ringtones on here give me the nexus lol and thats totally fine. But im just tryin to help people understand that yes xda is a powerful community and has helped me with alot of issues i could of never figured out on my own ......but honestly the dev community is really just a spec of sand on a pretty big beach when it comes to these phones. Posting on there facebook and threatening them really means nothing. Like people said before htc got paid for everyone of these phones already. Sprints techs are tired of people bringing in bricked phones and sucking up data with the wireless tethering. There not stupid they know what were gonna do with an unlocked phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] klbjr:
You can't say that posting on their media pages or contacting won't do anything. If HTC didn't care I don't think their CEO would waste the time and put out a statement saying that they will unlock the bootloader. Our cries, regardless of how insignificant they may seem didn't land on deaf ears. Whether or not they got paid for the phones or not, bad press is bad press. Most people buy things like phones on word of mouth & what they read or hear about it. If they hear bad things you can believe sales will be affected. And if not this phone then the next. People stop buying HTC products from Sprint, Sprint then in turn stops buying from HTC & their record setting profits every quarter starts to take a hit.
[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
The same argument was used when the dev community found out about the lock bootloader. HTC and their CEO responded.
[HTC EVO 3D] gregfink:
Exactly how I feel. I left the Pre for Evo because of all the mods and custom roms. I was missing the days of old WinMo roms on the Pre. Patching was cool, but honestly, it was too easy and too limited; so I went to Android and the Evo. I LOVE the specs of the 3d, but the thought of running a bone stock phone now makes me ill. I buy technology to play with it, break it, and figure out how to fix it. Thats what I enjoy, and until I have that option I'm not buying another phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] nhutpham:
I have to agree, I'm someone who loves the option of having custom roms and kernels. You have to start wondering how this will go with the 3D, having us wait for the unlock, and then the source code, and then the complications of having 3d hardware and dual cameras - it's difficult to say when an AOSP rom would be close to fully functional on the 3vo.

Will this phone be hard to develop for? Will developers jump ship to the GSII?

Tough to say, but give me a stripped down sense 3.0 rom with overclocking and I'd be pretty darn happy with the 3vo.
[HTC EVO 3D] joe85:
That page you posted said SGS2 is the best hardware but has bad marketing so it gets second. I don't rate a processor based on marketing, just performance. SGS2 hardware blows away snapdragon with adreno 220, sorry but it is the truth.
[HTC EVO 3D] EniGmA1987:
I might exchange it for an EVO 4G simply because of the large number of bugs and problems I have with this phone. Still deciding on if I should wait it out with all these problems till we get root or just switch to a phone that works well.
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
I hack my phone because stock is lacking something. Such as the massive performance issues with the moment. If I don't see anything I feel I need to fix I won't develop anything for it or root it.

I rooted my ns4g just to do it then reverted back because there was no reason to keep it. Cm7 isn't that fantastic and almost every other ROM is a theme.
[HTC EVO 3D] toneman1984:
Yeah this is great news. It is just a matter of time now.
[HTC EVO 3D] Alanmw86:
Am I the only one that feels that this whole thread is pointless?

I agree, I want an unlocked bootloader, if it wasn't to be unlocked then I would have either never bought it, or return it.

But guys....it's going to be unlocked lol, so relax, enjoy your phone as is, and wait for the unlock to come from HTC and wait for someone to possibly get root in the meantime haha.

eveyone here just needs a chill pill.

the EVO 3D world is not ending! I Swear!
[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
I'd love to agree 100%, I'm usually the guy saying things like that...but...in 2 months if you are still saying that, well, you'll be wrong.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Oh? Then splain to me, what IS the 30 day return policy for?
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Why?

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[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Actually this isn't true. If Sprint wanted the phones to be locked, then why isn't the Nexus S locked? It's HTC that wants them locked, not Sprint.

Although true, that is a misleading statement.

First of all, there isn't a phone in existence with an encrypted bootloader. This is a common misconception. They have a cryptographically signed bootloader. Huge difference.

If it was encrypted it would be intended so that anybody who got ahold of it wouldn't be able to reverse engineer it, and the entire thing would have to be copied to RAM and decrypted in order for it to be executed. Huge waste of resources, and it wouldn't be hard to extract it while in its decrypted state.

A cryptographically signed bootloader on the other hand has a mathematic signature at the end which works as somewhat of a checksum, and if so much as a single bit out of several million is modified, the signature will not match and the boot code will not be executed and the phone will refuse to boot unless the problem is corrected.

Now, having said all of that, there's no point in having a signed bootloader when you have no intention of preventing modification to begin with. So if you don't care about signing the bootloader, then you probably don't have any intention of locking it either. This is the state that Samsung phones are in.

Just a question...were you born yesterday or something? Maybe eat some lead paint chips as a kid?

Anyways, samsung phones come locked, but they also come with an easy mechanism to unlock them. On the Nexus S you simply pull up adb, and execute this command:

fastboot oem unlock

And guess what? Phone is unlocked and you can make whatever modifications you see fit. So yeah while its technically locked from the factory, they intentionally made it trivial to unlock. So for all intents and purposes, it's essentially an unlocked bootloader.
[HTC EVO 3D] jadoe05:
If you find out that phone isn't for you or you keep having problems with it. It has nothing to do with whether you can get root or not.
[HTC EVO 3D] Neo3D:
Well, I would love to return it for something that will sync contacts over bluetooth to my car, but I don't know what else is good right now that has dual core cpus.

Hopefully, SGS2 will come out soon!
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Well if you wanted a phone that you could freely modify, and this phone isn't in that category, then does that not qualify under the "that phone isn't for you" department?
[HTC EVO 3D] NexuGsx:
It's kind of ridiculous that many of you say "quit complaining! HTC is going to unlock it!" when in fact it was the outcry from the people against locking the phone (prior to it coming out) that got HTC to unlock it. It happened in two days, actually. Some people did get out of hand, but if there was nobody to oppose it, HTC would not be working on it.
[HTC EVO 3D] jadoe05:
Only at the most technically specific level. But it has nothing to do specifically with root. You knew the phone wasn't unlocked from the jump
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
And to return a phone because it is not unlocked with your scheduled "30 days"

Isn't gonna make it come faster like everyone already said HTC got the money for the phones before any of us even pre ordered or got them.. so frivolous returns won't effect it. Other than you

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[HTC EVO 3D] bricky23:
Why does everyone care so much if people return their phones? Its not hurting you.

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[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Y tell everyone there returning them?

To get more people to do it?

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[HTC EVO 3D] jadoe05:
Because this is a forum. I can't speak for everybody but i don't care. At the same time if people keep posting stuff like " HTC didn't do something they aren't obligated to do in the time period that my o so important self gave them." Then i can comment on this threat/decision.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Understandable.. but your only justifying your comments now.... We all have opinions and if people wanna talk about how HTC didn't do somethi.g so now there gonna hit em where it hurts and return it.. we all get to comment.. hence what has been going on

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[HTC EVO 3D] Devi0124:
Hmm learn something new everyday... Thanks... So why has it been so hard to root the 3d?
[HTC EVO 3D] jadoe05:
No sir I am justifying everyone's comments. I think you misunderstood my point. If you look through any of my posts you will not once see me tell or ask them to stop saying it. They have that right. I even opened up a thread for people who don't like this phone as an upgrade. My point is if they have a right to express their opinion I have a right to express mine.
[HTC EVO 3D] xjman:
You are right there isn't one with an encrypted bootloader. I'm saying its possible. And i will admit my terminology was a bit off.

People are thinking that without an unlocked bootloader they will never be able to do anything with the phone.

The nexus s doesn't count as a Samsung phone because it is Samsung as far as hardware goes and Google takes it to the final destination. Other Samsung phones have not successfully been unlocked, but it isn't required to flash Roms or kernels or any of that.

I always eat lead paint it has that tangy taste.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
but you asked why everyone is getting butt hurt about people retiring it... It's not that its the multiple scattered post to ***** about it..

And the fact that you guys keep posting "negative opinions" or whatever you wanna call it in the general section of the phone your "bashing"

Your gonna get a lot of opinions some,childish and ignorant like a fee of my own have been and some real good info

But if you have to ask "why do you care if people return there phones"

Then I have to ask: why tell us your returning it?

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[HTC EVO 3D] daneurysm:
Bootloaders are "signed" (like a checksum)...that is the "lock" everyone is referring to (erroneously--'locked' used to mean locked to a carried/sim provider, but i digress).

HTC (joining Motorola) has decided to sign their bootloaders with cryptography..."cryptographically signed" bootloaders....the signature was hashed with a 2048-bit key... virtually unbreakable with todays technology, barring a stroke of luck.

So, instead of having to figure out and duplicate the signature we would have to figure out the 2048-bit long key that the signature was hashed with....once again, barring an cosmic stroke of luck that is virtually impossible with todays technology...virtually because, well, getting thousands of computers working on brute forcing that at once we *might* see a result (if we were lucky and their key sucked) in a year or so...though that could also turn into hundreds of years.

That is the bootloader fiasco which is why we can't just flash out eng hboot and be on our way... it's far more complicated and also far less complicated at the same time, I'd explain it--but it's complicated.

So, what the devs have been doing is looking for gaps in the OS, bootloader, recovery, or any other parts of the system to get around all of that intentional security....and it's not easy. Once they have gotten over one hurdle there is another. Some are intentional security measures, others are mysteries based on obscurity...like intentional lack of free information on chipsets....

To answer your question: Cuz it's fukkin' hard.
[HTC EVO 3D] jadoe05:
o_0

Yea i think you have me confused with another forum member. You might wanna re read this page. Nowhere have i even remotely hinted that i was going to return my phone. And I'm not the one who asked this question. I love my phone. Root or not I'm sticking with it till next year.
[HTC EVO 3D] jadoe05:
Also as has been said many times, returning your phone will not hurt HTC. They have already made their money off of the very unit you are holding because Sprint bought them wholesale.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Haha yeah your right I guess I thought you where bricky..... I've been out in the sun all day. And a few 8 or 9 beers don't help

Ignore all previous post -_-

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[HTC EVO 3D] jadoe05:
Lol. No problem. Throw a couple back for me.