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[TouchPad General] Gigabytex:
I like my 32GB Touchpad so far, I applied the improvements and it does seem better, I have to try the overclock. It's good for the price I paid, but not for it's starting one. I'd still like to see Android on it and I hope there's more development both on webOS and Android for it.

For your news reading needs you could try the Mosaic app, it's similar to Pulse with its own twist.

You can by going into the Launcher and touching an app for a few seconds so you can move them around.
[TouchPad General] d557charger:
Can't post this in the appropriate dev thread because I'm a junior memeber but...

I can't post this in the appropriate dev thread and couldn't find a thread close in general discussion... but I was wondering if there was a difference between unlocking dev mode by typing in webos20090606 in the just type bar or typing leftleftrightrightupdownupdownbastart ? I've seen it done both ways online... is one dev mode better?

Sorry this is in the wrong thread, I don't have permission to ask in the right one.
[TouchPad General] nicrallred:
I know that its not an app but maybe you can use the browser to goto facebook and play Words with friends that way. I haven't tried it cause i'm expecting my touchpad today but the logics seem right lol
[TouchPad General] jacktrck:
Only "issues" I have is the .pdf reader doesnt have a word search or an easy page jump function. And it cant do wifi off my Touch Pro 2. Still a really good deal for the money
[TouchPad General] benrees21:
I have applied all patches and oc'd and it still lags sometimes. Hate how the text in web pages gets distorted sometimes. Overall though for £89 I can't moan. Oh and I recommend the "wallpaper switcharoo" app.
[TouchPad General] olly230:
video and web is all i really want from current tablet tech which is why i would never use my own money for apple, £500!!! gotta be joking.

I missed out on the cheap ones so I won't be investing.

(£2-250 on ebay about now!!!)
[TouchPad General] XDAnoobr:
I guess you really can't complain about a $99 tablet
[TouchPad General] tim04:
that almost sums it up. I must say however that those of you that wanted an android tablet so badly, why didn't you just save up and buy what you really wanted?

Honestly once you get the Touchpad overclocked and log patched it runs really really well. Text is crappy but I don't think its horrible enough to downgrade the overall value of the device or webOS. I like webOS. I'm going to use it and just chill out with the touchdroid dreams.

I had major app withdrawal with this OS. Here is what helped me:

I love Pulse, Mosaic on webOS is almost as good, seriously.

Also get an app called Video Flood HD for watching online media from tv shows, crackle, setup your own video podcast feeds.. Very good app.

Auctionmate, for keeping tabs on ebay.

Twit HD, gotta keep up with Leo, Sarah, Tom and the gang.

rev3 webOS, diggnation, technical and more.

pReader , great reader app. Reads all of my epubs.

Pandora is great. Yeah its in a phone sized window but who cares? It runs in the background anyway, I don't need to stare at it.

my .02. Let me know what you guys find too.
[TouchPad General] bendystrawboy:
I hope the rumors of hp doing a few more updates,are true.

It amazes me how well thr pad plays videos online but how i cant click images in a google image search.

They cut and paste/ text selection needs help...keyboard needs arrow keys.

Ive never had my tab crash or force close...and ivr had the same few apps open for a week now, omly having to restart luna a few times.

Preader is awesome, and comicshelfhd as well.

If you need an ereader/comic reader/video music player this thing is awesome...and it has a decent web browser.

Compared to $500 for another tablet its just no competition.
[TouchPad General] GuitarrassDeAmor:
I remember seeing the post that said the 16gb and 32gb differed in brightness...and wow, they do. 32gb is much less bright. Crazy.
[TouchPad General] brilldoctor:
That wad because the OP had the 32 gb on auto brightness
[TouchPad General] muyoso:
Just got my Touchpad earlier this morning and its such a massive disappointment. I REALLY like the OS and the general UI that they were going for, but they literally didn't polish the OS at all. For a $157 dollars I am not complaining at all, but if I had paid full retail I would fire this thing through a window. These are some of the things I have noticed while messing around with it for a little while:

1) The back button: Sometimes there is one, sometimes there isn't. Sometimes it on the top left, sometimes its on the bottom left. There is zero consistency between any of the stock apps and the OS.

2) The browser: This is the largest disappointment. Its horrible. Where do I begin. No tabbed browsing. When you longpress on a link and select "open in new card" and then return to the original card, the new card stop loading and rendering the page. It just sits there in the background doing nothing. Its as if you just created a temporary bookmark. That right there renders the browser as the worst among ALL mobile operating systems that I have used, Android, iOS, WebOS and Windows Mobile. Sometimes the browser gets stuck as if you are zooming in or out and the text remains fuzzy and it takes several seconds to focus, if it ever does. When a page is zoomed out fully, for some reason it allows you to swipe it to the left and the right, which makes no sense.

3) Media players: Seriously, where is the mkv support? I don't understand how everyone is sticking with only supporting the mp4 format stock, and with the merciless death of WebOS there is zero hope for a competent third party program to come along that utilizes gpu acceleration.

4) App Selection: Don't even need to say anything.

On a whole I love the OS and I love the ease of loading homebrew apps and content. I love the hardware for the most part except for the crappy feeling volume rocker. Fits flawlessly in my original ipad1 case, the point where you begin to wonder if they literally copied the design completely. I mean seriously its creepy how even the FFC fits flawlessly where my case had a hole for the ipad1's light sensor. I can see why HP ditched the OS though. If this is the best they could come up for an initial showing then that is pretty disappointing. So much potential wasted.

This thing will be a beast though if we get a mostly or fully working port of Honeycomb/ICS.

Edit: Just tried playing some music for the first time. Holy **** these speakers are good, especially with the volume patch. It really seems like the hardware is awesome and the only thing lacking is the software. Makes me very optimistic about the future of my purchase.
[TouchPad General] Cube1701:
I've been using this a lot over the past few days. I've used an iPad 2 before (I had to set up and show my boss how everything worked on his) and felt like it was something I didn't need. However, I love the HP Touchpad.

I've got my thoughts in more detail on my website, as well as a quick-start guide (preware, performance tweaks, Spotify, etc).

My thoughts in quick form:

- The interface is gorgeous, and love the way the windows work.

- Apart from some small niggles, the browser is great. I wish Gmail would load the iPad version, but text looks brilliant on it. I've tested it quite a bit with forums and shops (mad a few eBay purposes) as well as flash videos and they work brilliantly.

- The keyboard is pretty good - much better than the iPad's archaic layout - but I think smartphone-type prediction (like the brilliant Swiftkey X) would be a nice option.

- App support is the only negative. There are a few great ones (like Mosaic Reader) but ultimately you're stuck with the web versions for most things.

- Getting Spotify to work was a pain, but the easy access play/pause/skip in the taskbar makes up for it.

- Media support is lot, and TouchPlayer just seems broken when it's playing anything (the picture is very corrupted).

Overall, I'm very pleased with the Touchpad and I think I'll be using it a lot.

I'm also not sure about putting Android on it. I don't think I want a version that isn't optimised for the display. It would also need the Chrome browser from Honeycomb (which may or may not be in ICS).
[TouchPad General] devize:
I didn't know this, slightly regretting my purchase now. I usually open alot of tabs at once, let them load and open them when I'm ready. I used to hate waiting for each page to load each time on my old iphone, I'd hate to get stuck doing that again. I ordered one to use mainly as a web browsing device until honeycomb/ics gets ported (don't like gb on tablets). This is why I love my android phone so much, I can open an app or webpage, leave and send a text and when I come back everything will be loaded and waiting for me. With such good hardware I can't believe they'd leave out something so simple.
[TouchPad General] Cube1701:
That's also how things work on the Touchpad. You can open lots of tabs (the Touchpad call them cards) and do other stuff while they load. You also get a much better view of what is happening in each card as you can see what is happening in them from the main menu, and switching between them and seeing what is open is much better than on an Android phone.
[TouchPad General] dtblair24:
You hit the nail on the head. I am pretty pleased with this tablet, but last night I almost lost it when I was browsing and the page was out of focus and stuck in a fuzzy state. Also agree that it is absolutely ridiculous how the browser allows you to move left to right when you are zoomed out. It is impossible to scroll up and down without the page moving side to side.

Other annoyances are how the volume button is pretty sensitive.

-The auto rotate is super sensitive. They apparently fixed it in the update, but I still feel like it rotates to easily.

-How I have to tweak the hell out of it with patches and overclocking to bring it up to par, I don't mind but I am sure the average person won't take these steps.

-Wish the back was not typical glossy hp plastic that gets disgusting with smudges/prints. (wont matter once I have a case but still would have liked to see a different material)

-Sometimes it might lag a bit, or be a bit unresponsive for no apparent reason

I generally like the hardware. It is a bit heavier but I enjoy a little weight.

-Speakers/sound is damn good! Tempted to pick up a nice pair of headphones to take advantage of this 'Beats audio' technology. I am no audiophile at all, but this is the best sounding portable device I have ever held..

-webOS is cool, and very easy to put into developer mode to add/remove patches and kernals. Easy to restore and fix it with webOS doctor

Like others said, I hope the android port is a success. When I picked this up from best buy, I went and played with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and boy...I would love to see how android would play out on this TouchPad.
[TouchPad General] devize:
The post above says that the tabs stop loading and rendering if you switch to another tab. I've read other posts saying the same thing. I haven't had mine sent to me just yet so I hope you're right.
[TouchPad General] Cube1701:
I misunderstood what you meant. I can't say I've noticed that as most stuff loads quickly for me. By the time I've switch the page has already loaded.

Edit: Just done my best to test it. Web pages still download so it literally just takes a fraction of a second for it to display when you go back to it.
[TouchPad General] muyoso:
Not true. I made a quickish video showing what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpTYG_nSrl8

The problem is that you actually have to wait for the new card to be created, then for the new card to go fullscreen and then for the website to START loading before you can go back to the original and have it load in the background. No amount of waiting will load the website in the background if you don't allow the new card to go fullscreen.

Also just did a comparison video with the Touchpad and the iPad browsers and screens, and my conclusion is how dare HP try to sell the Touchpad for the same price as the iPad. I mean I love the touchpad and all, but the screen is dim as hell and the browser STINKS in an os named "WebOS". Irony.
[TouchPad General] Sargasm:
Going to play the devil's advocate for a second and say for a first revision deployment, it's pretty decent. The browsers compatibility is pretty solid and most everything else is secondary (everything except interface IMO).

Probably chalk that one up to WebKit, but nonetheless it could be worse.

Also while the card loading thing is a little ridiculous, overall one of the single most enjoyable features of the Os is the card implementation. In fact, I'd say it's the feature I'd be most likely to miss. The emphasis on tasking is awesome for users like myself with horrid add and the tendency to make many tangents on my quest for the right information.

My biggest gripes with the browser are the location of the back button and the relatively obtuse test selection and pasting. Also, with this thing oc'd and tweaked, the wait time is pretty tolerable.

I figure all the wait time with the card loading indicates each card is a separate instance of the browser software. For better or worse, if that is true, it represents some CPU overhead that is a cost of building software to be better suited to flexible tasking.
[TouchPad General] muyoso:
Very true. Not bad for a first version of the OS. The thing is though that I don't look at it like that. I am looking at it like this is the LAST version of the OS, because I am pretty sure it will be. HP might support it for a little while longer and hell they may reverse themselves fully because of the demand and try and capitalize on the huge user base, but the more likely scenario to me is that they sell WebOS and whoever buys it is not going to support an HP Touchpad.
[TouchPad General] Sargasm:
Ok, my review of the touchpad:

I'm a longtime android fanboy and I was skeptical of pretty much any other os. Before updating this thing, the performance was beyond atrocious. After updating, for the 20 or so minutes I used it before tweaking it, I was still sorely disappointed with the way it performed.

Considering the processing power thus thing has, it should easily have performed better. In particular, when clicking items, there was some application latency that seemed hard to excuse for a production model.

After tweaking heavily and ridding it of the kind of neat, but ultimately useless click ripple thing, its many times a better device. If it came out of the box performing like this it would justify the price much better(sticker, not discount).

There are numerous glaringly absent features and intentionally obtuse standards that combined the weaknesses android saw early with the steadfast customer buggering that apple customers so readily chalk up to high standards. Those weaknesses include an initial suite of apps lacking functionality that any person would need in a device at the level HP was asserting this was and interoperability that forces the use of other HP devices to get the most from the device (most notably a failure to support Bluetooth pairing with android phones which represent the majority of smart phones by a large amount).

This, combined with a late arrival to market could have been predicted it as the huge failure it was. Where HP could have come out as a leader and an alternative platform to android, they instead produced a stinky, awkward product probably molded most significantly by actuaries rather than observations on the direction of the market.

This seems like a massive missed opportunity.

WebOS has a lot of good features. The device is well made. Homebrew opportunities are also awesome. IMO if HP had instead focused on creating a compelling open source alternative to android they may have ended up getting on the right side of a growing number of advanced users.

Its good to have options and a substantially different software product than android may have developed into a great thing.

As it is, it's decent and definitely worth what I paid. However without continued support and even with it without major changes to the way they utilize their platform, I am amongst the many drooling over the thought of HC.
[TouchPad General] benrees21:
Android will harness that CPU power so much better. For some reason webOS holds back, creating lag even when oc'd to 1.5ghz. Is this due to the OS being written poorly? The cards idea is spot on for me though, makes multitasking a breeze. Also love the way you can flick the cards up when your done with that task. The browser is ok but I would pick Android's stock browser over it any day, it seems really slow sometimes. Overall for the price I got it for I cannot moan but if webOS would take advantage of that CPU and be snappy then I would not want Android on it. It's the people who paid full price when it first came out I feel sorry for.

Sent from my Nexus S running NSCollab ROM and Netarchy 1.3.4 CFS Kernel
[TouchPad General] ice_coffee:
From the standpoint that this is hp's first foray into the tablet market, whilst ambitiously championing a new os , it is actually quite good, unfortunately when compared to the polished Os ' that have had time to grow, it is just too little too late. I Have a Samsung galaxy s2 as my daily use mobile phone and put simply, despite being a phone and not a tablet it's just better. My phone is faster smoother and more competent it can play divx and mkv out the box and has in my opinion a faster web browser, it also supports plugging in usb memory sticks whilst on the go, and connecting to HDMI on tv's for full 1080p video playback. I do not regret my purchase of the tab, it is a fine machine for the money, but it is definitely first generation and may have had more success if launched the same time as the ipad 1.

I would be very irritated if had paid full price for this though, and I can't wait for android to turn up.

(the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 must be an awesome device)
[TouchPad General] Sargasm:
I totally agree. My point was that it'd be awesome to have an entirely different os heavily supported by mod developers.

Some of the aesthetic created in webOS Hs completely awesome. Development of a lighted weight version with alternative operations could be pretty sick. I'd love to have two completely different OS choices for my devices.

PLUS competition on functionality could be awesome off both communities.
[TouchPad General] benrees21:
Yea would be cool if someone could make a lightweight custom webOS ROM. I'm not to sure I'm gonna be put gingerbread on there, I want a tablet version of Android. Whether that means I have to wait to ICS or not I dunno.

EDIT: When this is released I'm all over it: http://rootzwiki.com/content.php?r=234-EXCLUSIVE-CyanogenMod-7-On-the-HP-TouchPad

Sent from my Nexus S running NSCollab ROM and Netarchy 1.3.4 CFS Kernel
[TouchPad General] nks2105:
I was a little bummed at first when I turned it on Friday night but I knew that there were some manipulations to be done in order to set the device free.

I used several hours over the week end and I like it a lot, I find the browser fine and the screen quality is very very good.

but I'm missing 2 important things at this point: a good Windows Remote Desktop app and being able to easily map network shares (my music and videos are on a NAS). the latter especially, I don't understand why it's not a native feature of webos...

I can probably get over the lack of apps if these 2 things can be implemented quickly.
[TouchPad General] bormasina:
Complainers ...

To all people that love to complain and complain and whine ...

http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/294991-true-multitasking.html

Why did you buy the thing if you don't like it. Return it and move on ... Or read up and learn how things work before you make such statements. I apologize if my words are to harsh, but this is the truth.
[TouchPad General] lebye:
I really like the device and WebOS. The browser misses few things but that's enough for me.

THE GOOD: WebOS

THE BAD: the few random freezes (even after the few homebrew patches-no oc yet)

THE UGLY: the fact there is no decent video player supporting all the popular video format (TouchPlayer is ok but still a bit laggy for xvid, and not handling 720p on my device)

Edit: THE BAD: w/ F15C Eagle 1.5ghz, much less random freezes!

THE UGLY: at least KalemSoft Media player v 0.3.7 fixes everything!

THE GOOD: Splashtop remote desktop coming soon!
[TouchPad General] Hotconductor:
This is a forum about the device so we all have the right to gripe. Just my two cents.

The ONLY thing I don't like about WebOS is the fact that I can't stream straight from my network shares!
[TouchPad General] qbnlykwhoa:
kalemsoft media player has played everything I have thrown at it thus far.

From avi's to mkv's. I have zipped it up and attached it to this post.
[TouchPad General] jdearauj:
Can you confirm if you purchased the full version of kalemsoft?

Reason being, i tried the free version and it has not been able to play any avi's or mkv's. So i did not even bother buying the full version, but will do if it is able to play the files.

Thanks
[TouchPad General] qbnlykwhoa:
I did not purchase the full version. Someone posted the file up somewhere and I downloaded it and installed it.

I can confirm that it plays my 720p mkv's without a hiccup. Looks and sounds beautiful. I have only tested mkv's and avi's as most of my movies are in those formats.
[TouchPad General] jdearauj:
Thanks, i will try that file and hopefully it will make a difference. Could be the way i installed it.
[TouchPad General] qbnlykwhoa:
Let me know how you make out.

I'm OC'd on the WartHog kernel at 1.7ghz and have a few patches applied but that shouldnt make a difference.
[TouchPad General] Isadora:
One minor niggle to add to the list, it's something that really annoys me now that I've seen it: the date on the lockscreen is displayed in the US format. Since I picked UK when I set the TouchPad up, surely the lockscreen date format should be localised too :rolleyes: also there doesn't seem to be a way to change the default Google search from .com to .co.uk
[TouchPad General] McBoogle:
yup, this is the one thing thats really annoying me at the moment too! Keeps sending me to buy things in $'s !!
[TouchPad General] Isadora:
For what it's worth, I've bothered to make a nice little list of all my gripes and sent them feedback through their online form http://www.hpwebos.com/uk/en/company/feedback.html
[TouchPad General] muyoso:
Love to complain and whine? I am pointing out a ridiculously valid criticism of WebOS. The title of the damn thread is The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. This is the Ugly. And don't you think I read through that entire post on precentral in a search to find a solution to the problem before I came here on XDA and complained about it in such absolute terms? Maybe most dont search for solutions to their problems before hitting the message boards, but I certainly do.

Why did I buy the thing? So that I could be in on the ground floor of the next Nook Color, a well supported tablet with a gigantic developer community. There are no returns, and for a hundred fifty bucks I am not complaining nor have I ever complained about the cost.

Your words aren't harsh, they are just misinformed.
[TouchPad General] kumaton:
Its funny to be able to quote this... but I bout a touchpad because its a dead system, and will get no support, nor will it have boot lockers or any voided warranties because I wanted to take it to its fullest potential..

I know this post is waay before the fire sale.. just think its funny