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[Nexus S General] mstevens:
I don't care about those other firmwares since I have a Nexus S 4G.

This started with your saying "one could easily go to this thread and flash the appropriate zip in CWM, flash SU.zip, and be done, with latest ROM and radio. That is the fastest way to get updated and letting people know that is an option (vs "unrooting" and "going back to stock" and waiting for the udpate from Google) is why I made this thread."

That isn't true of the phone that's being discussed in this thread. In fact, one cannot go to that thread and find such a .zip that contains the needed files.

The 90% (at least) of the post that doesn't apply to our phones and is untrue is that part that I'm addressing, not the part I'm ignoring.
[Nexus S General] matt2053:
Ok I don't know what your beef here is, but someone said flashing a stock ROM won't update the radio. I'm saying, yes it will. The stock ROMs in the link I posted include the radio, the update link in that thread for the NS4G included the radio, the NS4G images posted in this thread include the radio, etc.
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
You guys seem pretty passionate about this...should just let it go...
[Nexus S General] kijp15:
So do we need to go back to stock to get this update or is it optional? Just wondering...

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] bdawg31:
Sprint can suck my unit.
[Nexus S General] bdawg31:
I forgot, everyone quit asking dumbass questions...contribute why don't ya.
[Nexus S General] sublimeAndEtc:
There is no need to return to stock for the update. The moment the update is released, the radio updates (aka the only part to care about) will be ripped out and put into a zip that can easily be flashed over any ROM through CWM.
[Nexus S General] shabbypenguin:
le sigh.. honestly tmobile people.. im sorry, i hope you dont view all the sprint customers this arrogant and self centered.

poor matt here was just trying to instill some general advice, because trust me in my short little time in android the amount of people clamoring to get back to stock so they can "GET TEH UDATPESZZZSZ!!!!11122121" and the day after it rolls out to seemingly everyone but them. they are back asking how to root again and get the newest version on, which of course is then followed by "this update was stupid it didnt fix anything.." and flashing back to cyanogenmod or whatever they use.

if you want further proof of that, read this thread see how many people posted, in a thread telling people not to go back to stock, on how to get back to stock so they can get the update.

this part in particular made me chuckle

in fact, one cannot return to stock and download such and update either.

when the update is out it will be done like EVERY other android phone on the market.. i assure you, someone will make a stock deodex'd version.. in fact for many people it will be a race to see who can get the files first and get it out..
[Nexus S General] johnbibbs:
What are you? 11?

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] HareyCarey:
Lol...play nice, kids >.>
[Nexus S General] kijp15:
So tomorrow is the lucky day.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] johnbibbs:
Hopefully. I'm kinda tired of hearing my Dad complain about his NS4G.

I'm looking forward to it for myself as well.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] kijp15:
Hopefully the update will make your dad rather happy. :)

Yea, me too. Are you on stock?
[Nexus S General] johnbibbs:
Yes I'm stock. I've done the rooted thing and always end up stock again.

Seems to always work best for me.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] ZeroCool84:
It's another rumor we got from the internet just like last week. If it happens great but I'm not expecting anything since it is just another rumor.
[Nexus S General] kijp15:
Yea .I've went back to stock earlier today, but I didn't stay stock very long. Ha. I wanted to flash a bunch a stuff. I couldn't help it.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] kijp15:
You serious? Dang, I hope tomorrow is the real deal. My reception is horrible.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] 4redstars:
I'm not holding my breath for the update tomorrow but I hope it comes.

CM7'd Nexus S 4G
[Nexus S General] DirtyShroomz:
Tomorrow (or today) is a rumor from a random tech. Don't hold your breath
[Nexus S General] fraspas:
I'm beginning to think a patch isn't even going to happen
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
Lol, I never expected one.
[Nexus S General] DirtyShroomz:
There definitely is one coming.
[Nexus S General] The111:
You're right... software being delayed a week is unheard of, after all. :rolleyes:
[Nexus S General] oscarthegrouch:
I know it sucks we're having to wait on an update, but consider this, pretty much everybody else is getting their updates weeks or months after we get ours. Its easy to overlook that.
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
Anyone wanna bet on whether the update starts rolling out tomorrow? I say it will...
[Nexus S General] steviee7:
tomorrow or today? since its after 12 am.. lol
[Nexus S General] 4redstars:
I'm not meaning that it isn't coming but it seems that for most phones we get an official announcement as opposed to a smaller site (Sprintfeed, and nothing against them) posting it and not seeing it anywhere else (engadget, androidcentral, bgr) from other sources.

I really hope it comes but I'd like to hear a more official announcement.
[Nexus S General] cteneyck:
Just curious, but does anybody know/remember how the updates were sent out to the i9XXX nexus s'. Time of day and stuff like that?
[Nexus S General] tailsthecat3:
Ill take that bet. Tuesday will come and go with NO update.
[Nexus S General] fraspas:
Considering this is from sprint and speaking with their representatives who says 5 different stories...their credibility is extremely low. I'd be VERY surprised if a patch does come out today
[Nexus S General] an276123:
My understanding was the reason for delay wasn't due to software not being ready, but Sprint having massive data outages across the country. Plus there SMS and MMS issues were also affected. This caused Sprint to requests Google postpone the update till they had there house in order. Rumor is today but i'd be shocked if it happens. I've been hearing today or TBD.
[Nexus S General] cteneyck:
Ever see the sign in the bar that says "free beer tomorrow". Same song second verse with the update.
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
I was trying to be optimistic guys :/ We really need it to happen. My phone sucks just like the 3 I had before it.
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
I bet you my action figure collection, ant farm, and one tweed seat cover
[Nexus S General] dmora01:
I bet that is no a fix for the radio issue in the update, only for the system from Google . Is a Samsung phone, they don't care if is a nexus or galaxy, they don't fix the problems so that way you go a buy other phone.
[Nexus S General] 4redstars:
the thing I'm most concerned about is if it CAN be fixed with a software / firmware / radio update. If not those with the phones that are having the most issues are screwed.
[Nexus S General] fraspas:
Sprint really effin' sucks
[Nexus S General] 4redstars:
don't blame Sprint...this is a collaboration of Sprint / Google and Samsung (Carrier / OS Maintainer / Hardware maker)

There are reasons for delays and things...we just have to wait for official word. if we don't receive one then we direct our anger at 3 companies :)
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
I've been running aosp on an evo for a day and it gets the same service that my nexus gets. The difference is the evo doesn't lose data all the time like the nexus. That data loss is code and an ota can fix it. Will it, we wont know til it comes.
[Nexus S General] 4redstars:
I came from an EVO running Deck's AOSP and am wondering are you saying it gets the same signal quality but the data handling is worse?

If so good! but still my concern is the difference in hardware...different hardware makes for different ways of handling the data through the radios and then to the OS.
[Nexus S General] HareyCarey:
Has anyone checked the specs to see what hardware in fact is being used in the Nexus S 4G compared to what Samsung has used in their other phones? Surely they wouldn't put some totally different type of hardware in the NS4G and have no kind of experience with it or with backing it up ;)

Still yet, I am curious as to what type of hardware it is sporting and what makes this phone so different from say the Epic 4G? I know that there is a huge ballfield of differences, but I mean radio wise and such.
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
Yea, same signal the nexus just sucks at keeping it together lol. This evo always has a signal, it doesn't drop data ever
[Nexus S General] brokentoaster24:
Maybe I'm just lucky. Never have data drop issues :/
[Nexus S General] 12MaNy:
I sure hope the SGS2 doesn't have radio/data issues.

*jumps back in the foxhole before the flamethrowers are unleashed...
[Nexus S General] BrianDigital:
Yeah data is fine too, but I do lose data but speeds r just the same
[Nexus S General] jblazea50:
FYI, I was at a Sprint store yesterday returning my Evo 3D and activating NS4G. I asked the rep about Samsung Galaxy S II (Within). He was like it's not likely it'll come out in August because if it was, they would have been trained on it. Usually they get trained a month in advance. So I asked if he got trained for the Photon and he said they already received training for it. Take it for what's it worth, but don't expect the Within to be released in August.
[Nexus S General] spx_trader:
well the lady from sprint called me back today and their idea of a resolution is to make an appointment at a corporate store to make sure there are no problems with my phone and if there is nothing wrong to wait for the update. she said she will call me Monday and follow up about my visit to the store and "hopefully" have some more info on the update. She said the problems i read about on the internet represent a small % of the ns4g owners. funny when it seems like just about everyone here has the problem. sprint has really pissed me off with this whole situation. now i have to unroot this thing just for them to tell me there is no problem and then root it again.
[Nexus S General] snandlal:
The people here on xda do represent a small % of all ns4g users. Sorry to say....there isnt THAT many here. I think only about 1-5% actually root and mess with their phones like us. The rest are normal users.
[Nexus S General] shabbypenguin:
actually, with the nexus s 4g being so late to teh party, and the photon 4g and teh evo 3d being released that are dual core phones.. it wouldnt surprise me to see at least 20% of the people who picked up the nexus s 4g knew what it was about.

dont forget there are other android communities besides xda
[Nexus S General] spx_trader:
yes, i understand the the number of people on xda represent a small % of the total owners. the point i was trying to make is that it seems like close to everyone on xda that have a ns4g are having the problems. so say if 80% of the ns4g owners on here have the problem, you would think that would be close to the % of the total owners having the problem. the % of total people having the problem has to be rather high for them to admit it and attempt to release an update to fix it
[Nexus S General] ronnienyc:
Got $300 for my used Nexus through Craigslist a couple days ago. The Evo 4g is way more reliable in terms of connectivity, battery life, etc. My upgrade will be used for a more reliable phone...or maybe i will pick up a used one if this OTA sorts out the radio woes.

This is not impressive for a Google flagship phone.
[Nexus S General] spx_trader:
I took mine into the sprint store and they said that it failed all the data tests and gave me a new phone. I have not had a chance to use it too much yet but I do have one more bar of service at my house.
[Nexus S General] ryandoubleu:
just got a call

Sprint execs just called, supposed new date for update is the 25th for everyone (no daily percentage roll-out)
[Nexus S General] :
I don't expect an update until Sprints nation wide outages stop. Let's hope they have some idea of what there doing...
[Nexus S General] dmarden:
lol

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[Nexus S General] styckx:
Where are people reading about Sprints massive outages? I see no news searching about them. Sprint forums are full of people saying that have no service at random places but that isn't very official.
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
coming from an evo, you have to be the only person in the world that says the evo has better battery then the nexus.
[Nexus S General] ryandoubleu:
Ya, I am taking the statement with no expectations. Its not the first time they had no idea what they were talking about.
[Nexus S General] :
Official? I what's this official you speak of????
[Nexus S General] 12MaNy:
+1

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[Nexus S General] mikerowes69:
Where is the info on this one at? I didn't see it anywhere. :confused:
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
I have both an evo and a nexus. Been running my evo since Sunday with decks aosp rom and battery has been as good if not a little better than I get on decks rom on my nexus. Its definitely not worse than the nexus though.
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
I came from an evo and I run cyanogen on both of them, I easily get 1 1/2 - 2 hours longer with my nexus. Now nexus with a stock rom is even more amazing.
[Nexus S General] oscarthegrouch:
What, does it need to be on a huge sign for everyone to see? In the past three weeks, intermittent data and no data, this has been happening on a daily basis for me. Today was exceptionally bad for data. One guy in the forum was saying that he didn't have 4g for over 4 hours. I kept rebooting my phone and putting it in airplane mode and it didn't make any difference in getting data rolling again. My gf is running my epic and she's been saying she's had crappy data service lately too. Both of us, all of a sudden this afternoon, received a load of messages that we had been sending to each other throughout the day, all at once. For me in my area and other people living wherever they are, having problems with data, makes me believe that it's a wide spread issue. If sprint would admit there was a problem, then would you think you'd have a bunch of people wanting refunds or credits for the service they were paying for this past month but maybe 25% of the time, it was actually working for them?

I'm not mad at sprint. I don't think that they are doing this on purpose. I don't think the IT people are just sitting around playing cards and smoking cigarettes while the network is on again off again. Yeah I wish they'd get the **** fixed permanently, it's aggravating. I might call customer service tomorrow and tell them I want a credit for a month's service or something because I've only been able to use the internet like maybe a week out of this past month. I'm paying about 150 a month for something that is not working more than it is working and when it is working, it's very slow.
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
Reading your post I can tell there must honestly be outages often in your area but where I live and travel too I NEVER have outages. Every area is different and maybe sprints service just isn't that good in that particular area
[Nexus S General] mcosmi:
Sprint execs just called, they said if you believe a post on XDA about a rumor of a rumored update to be released on the 25th....then they have a bridge you might be interested in.
[Nexus S General] jblazea50:
On stock rom, are you running the stock kernel as well? I'm on CM7 nightly w kernel oc'ed to 1.5ghz and no setcpu profile.
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
On stock rom I just left it stock everything but I actually run cyanogen nightlies as daily drivers. Even with cyanogen I use his stock kernel and do not use setcpu either, as well as the governor is on the stock setting. For some reason the stock nexus rom gives me superior battery life but I need the cyanogen notification bar mod
[Nexus S General] jblazea50:
Yeah, I need few things from CM so I use that all the time. Stock is pretty fast, but can't deal without the notification bar. Didn't realize how much that is a necessity.
[Nexus S General] hooray4FOSS:
I'm starting to lose faith in this update. Delaying it like this gives me the impression that it's not worth looking forward too. Here are some of my random speculations...

Maybe if there are still problems that this stage, then we can expect that it will probably be just as buggy when we receive it. In which case, there's a good chance we'll receive an unimpressive, unfinished product, so what's really worth looking forward to?

Maybe they don't think there's much incentive to push it, otherwise it would have arrived by now. I mean, suppose the update is ready and works well; why not just push it now? Don't they have incentive to provide some sort of gratification for their customers? Maybe this means that they ('they' refers to whoever pushes this update... Sprint, Samsung, Google) don't really see much importance in maintaining this product. It'd be hard to see why Google would feel this way, but Sprint on the other hand might not since they weren't able to bundle the phone with their bloatware, etc.

Maybe they just think that we'll wait forever, or be satisfied with a substandard product. In which case there's a good chance that they're not holding themselves to a very high standard anyway.

Or we could just be hopelessly optimistic and believe that this really is an important update and that they want to get it right. I doubt it though. No matter how I look at all these delays, I can't see a single way to spin it in a positive light, and most of these speculations make things seem worse than they did before this whole update thing ever came up. I'm not gonna ditch this phone - I knew that it had some signal problems before I got it, and for the most part it has performed decently with reception and flawlessly in every other way.

I don't normally expect the best support from hardware manufacturers (I believe you are your own best support, so you might as well solve it yourself - unfortunately, we have no way of doing that ourselves) - but I guess this just confirms that my low expectations are valid, if not overly optimistic. For now, I'm just gonna give up and accept that I just have to get use to it =/ . I don't even know how my signal compares to others who are complaining, so this update might not even make a difference. But regardless, I still think this is the best phone out there... on the best carrier out there
[Nexus S General] j0ser:
Amen, I feel the exact same way.
[Nexus S General] mcosmi:
Class action anyone? They so much as admitted the radio is broken.
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
Can you name one class action that has actually worked with the cell phone companies, those are a complete waste of time
[Nexus S General] shabbypenguin:
why not just use a stock aosp based rom and use dream's pulldown? ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1087858

afaik its included in a bunch of roms already (i know his own rom has it)
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
If I just flash the zip in his op will it work or am I required to do all those mods? Those mods will take me forever it seems
[Nexus S General] styckx:
These never work. Right up there with online petitions in terms of effectiveness.
[Nexus S General] styckx:
That was me with no 4g for four hours.

Yes I would like it on a sign. We are on a phone with a known flakey radio. So it really makes you wonder if the phone is the problem or a network outage. Everytime I have no data throughput I call Sprint. Everytime I call Sprint they say there are no issues in the area and try to get me to reset my phone. Which I laugh at them and hang up at that point.

So yes. I want real clarification. The Sprint denial machine with the phone and their network is driving me up a wall.

Curious to see if I get yet another outage today. It usually happens like clock work between 12 and 2ish.
[Nexus S General] asaetern:
Have you used the app called notification toggle? I've been stock ever since I got the phone. I bought the phone ready to root it on the first day but never found the need to.
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
Yes the rom works on ns4g, you just the zip and you get it I did all the work ;)
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
Thanks, i will flash a stock rom and load your zip. stock roms give me superior battery life but of course the notification bar is a must. thanks for the hard work, i will try it out and leave feedback in your thread.
[Nexus S General] shabbypenguin:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/22/sprint-readies-nexus-s-4g-update-with-improved-wimax-performance/

is that official enough for ya? :)
[Nexus S General] xur17:
Nevermind - shabbypenguin beat me.
[Nexus S General] shabbypenguin:
the funny thing is in teh video they said july 11th, so all these rumors etc prolly havent been a lie

it will be interesting to see the speed boost i get, as i average about 1.4Mbps up and down with only 2/3 4g bars.
[Nexus S General] HareyCarey:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...ns-on-july-25-to-boost-nexus-s-4g-data-speeds
[Nexus S General] styckx:
No mention of 3g and how my signal can go from 4 bars to 0 bars in a blink of an eye sitting stationary. No mention if it stops the radio from bouncing back and forth between wcdma preferred and unknown network.
[Nexus S General] anaglich:
Woohoo!
[Nexus S General] HareyCarey:
Straight from Sprint, boys and girls.
[Nexus S General] xur17:
I'm curious if / when the Tmobile Nexus S will get this. I am assuming they have the same wifi chip, so the wifi enhancements should apply there too.
[Nexus S General] HareyCarey:
Yes, actually it does say improved signal strength which what you are talking about is directly relevant to.
[Nexus S General] styckx:
For 4g and wifi. 3g Isn't mentioned or alluded to once.

I'm happy 4g and wifi will get fixed but the 3g signal and speeds are more erratic and under performing.
[Nexus S General] 4redstars:
3G performance has been bad in some areas of Sprint service for over a year now. it could be because of the work being done on the network but my old EVO and my nexus s have so far both suffered from poor 3G speeds.

I'm in downtown chicago so that may be a part of it but I had great speeds on my evo until February and then all of sudden it went downhill and never got better.
[Nexus S General] ZanshinG1:
Are you using the speedtest app for 3g speed benchmarking?

It's known to be problematic on the Nexus S 4g for some reason, as in not reporting correct speeds.

Other benchmarks show normal 3g throughput.
[Nexus S General] njeske:
3G isn't mentioned at all, but I haven't personally experienced issues with 3G on my phone. I have had several issues with WiFi which the document over at Sprint says is also being addressed, along with the speakerphone quality. Hopefully it will begin rolling out on the 25th, and not be delayed again.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...ns-on-july-25-to-boost-nexus-s-4g-data-speeds
[Nexus S General] matt2053:
Guys, the Sprint data sheet said "Improved signal acquisition." That could easily include 3G.
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
Exactly says improve 4g data speeds, improve signal, and wifi connectivity. They are emphasizing the 4g part but addressing a low signal and weak wifi acquisition as will one can only hope they back that up on ota day
[Nexus S General] p-slim:
damn people already complaining before the update even comes out a *smh*

One thing i am kind of worried about is before the previous update said there was going to be a 4G widget, that is no longer mentioned. i honestly want the 4G widget more then the signal increase, lol
[Nexus S General] njeske:
True, but it's still not specific. That could just be an additional reference to the 4G and WiFi reception changes. And that was on the original Sprint data sheet from a couple of weeks ago. The current post at the Sprint community site doesn't mention general signal acquisition at all.
[Nexus S General] :
Good news confirmed by engadget! http://tinyurl.com/3u55krv
[Nexus S General] droidance:
Will Android 2.3.5 eventually come to T-Mobile Nexus S through CM7 once the source code is available?