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[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
You are right, but he has a point as well. Samsung devices through their mobile history have seriously lacked support. The fact they didn't support last years galaxy s in the US is disheartening. Maybe the US is their last priority?

Of course, Samsung could change their ways, you never know.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
We're just having a discussion no need to throw explicatives around. I have the device and like it a lot. And so what if another device is better, in a month all our devices will be old hat.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Of course he does have a point, but I always see things as subject to change. I try to avoid giving predetermined answers.
[HTC EVO 3D] AyoJake:
sorry im just tired of hear everyone talk about the bootloader it will happen when it happens...
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Which is a good philosophy to live by haha ( but seriously). I did not mean to imply that your point was any less valid in any shape or forum.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Indeed it does get tiresome, but either way the phone will be rooted. Whether it'll be Devs or HTC.
[HTC EVO 3D] bootny:
Swears are just used to express feelings with less description...get over it...why do people turn into Jehovah witnesses? No matter what whether its a car, computer, phone, females, hdtv's etc... we will always want to discuss and debate over what's the cream of the crop when we should be happy that all of this is available to us ( thank you development etc!). Its a never ending cycle...

It can't rain all the time
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Oh no I did not think of such a thing. I was just telling you how I saw things.

:)
[HTC EVO 3D] Smac7:
some of those test did take the gpu into account though. Quadrant and smartbench (i think thats what its called) certainly do. Linpack on the other hand does not. Either way its close though.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
True, swear words can be used as sentence enhancers, but things can be taken out of context.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Of course benches stress the GPU's. I never stated they didn't. I was just pointing out that the screen resolution will hinder the GPU's performance significantly.

EDIT: To be more specific, benches that are made to strain the GPU of course.
[HTC EVO 3D] dee32181:
I am not having that same experoence...i currently use both the epic and the evo 3d and the evo 3d is quicker installing apps by a mile.....maybe you are using a unbloated version of froyo but mine is stock and it takes at lease 3-4 times faster to install than the evo. And while apps are installing the epic is a stuttering mess..my evo has been flawless in performance whether its installing apps or streaming media.
[HTC EVO 3D] shep211:
lol try slower then any dual core cpu on the market. There wont be a sgs II killer till Samsung or nvidia releases new quad core chipsets. That wont happen till 2012. Even my 1280 by 540 galaxy tab 10.1 stomps all over my evo 3d locked @ 1.8 ghz in cpu/gpu real world tests & any benchmark. That is pathetic. The 3d features is not enough to save this piece of **** chipset. I will be returning the evo 3d and buying a sgs II from us based seller.

The cpu was locked at 1.8 ghz so don't say its was slower because its a asynchronous cpu. With it locked at 1.8 or set to ondemand at 1.8 it does not change the benchmarks or real work tests that much. So the whole "its slow in benchmarks because its a asynchronous cpu" theory is bs.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
A post like this was bound to happen.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Is the chip **** or just your rationale? Check the link in my Sig, the chip is far from ****. Actually, the Qualcomm developer phone of this exact hardware blows everything out of the water. What does that tell you? Sense 3.0 is far, far from optimized. Give it time, whether HTC or a developer optimizes it, it will scream.
[HTC EVO 3D] shep211:
lol ya go ahead and believe that bs. Go read the thread about that blog post in the evo 3d forum or read the comments below in that blog post. Half that blog post is bs and none of it is proven. I have tested all those chipsets but the OMAP4430 and anyone that has can tell you the nvidia & samsung chipset are way faster then qualcomm's crap chipset. I can prove it in a youtube video but why? It has been done over and over and evo 3d never wins.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
You are coming off as the ignorant person who basis his purchase off of benches. Whether it'll be for computer parts or phones. Go take your fight somewhere else my friend.
[HTC EVO 3D] Genjinaro:
Duel Core? :p Yeah it is slower at dueling, unless you throw it. Dude seriously enjoy the Samsung but don't go spouting nonsense about the chip.
[HTC EVO 3D] shep211:
Yup I am ignorant because I have tested nvidia's, samsung's & qualcomm's chipsets WITH REAL WORLD TESTS & benchmarks. Its so funny when devices fail in benchmarks users all ways say benchmarks don't matter. Get real the only issue with benchmarks was with quadrant and phones with ext 4 loops to trick the benchmark scores. But no ext 4 loops used here or quadrant.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
LMFAO, you really want to talk to me about benchmarks? Please don't act like you know what you are talking about. Benches really don't mean crap in real world use, but they will give you an idea on how the device will operate under the conditions in which the bench stresses.

I build fricking computers, and have an understanding when it comes to CPU and GPU architecture. Trust me, benches don't mean crap in real world use. You are just the typical consumer that justifies your purchase because of high numbers. Now don't get me wrong, the Galaxy S II is a fine device, but to say the QualComm MSM 8660 sucks is just plain ignorant dribble that is coming from your mouth.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Not only ext4 loops fool quadrant and even smartbench (the better of the two IMO)

Dual boot with a hefty SD card

I/O speed hack

Fps removal/hack

Granted your not using them but few tricks I know of from helping port and slam roms together made the vibrant almost tripple in quadrants/linpack/smartbench

Do benchmarks give general and maybe a little more advanced data than we give them? YES!

Are benchmarks in general accurate?

No! Due to the transition from siglecore to dualcore and A8 modified vs A9 coretex let alone RAM and file read/writes (ext3/ext4)

Not all benchmark apps can be coded perfectly equal

Should you buy a phone for the simple reason better benchmarks = more *****? Hell no most people care less about benchmarks but we all secretly do

Take in consideration (the benchmarks that Is)

Only if your a secret nerd like most of us are...

/lecture

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[HTC EVO 3D] :
For example let's talk about AMD, and Intel...

If you look at benches, AMD gets completely dominated by Intel. Yet in real world use, there is no discernible difference in performance. Benches only matter when a person is actually going to use the processor for the specified bench.
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
Personally I think the chip is fine, I just think HTC did a crappy job when combining the hardware and software. But then again, LG did a crap job with their software but that phone is a screamer. Perhaps Sense has just become too bloated and as such weighs down the performance of the device :confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
Lol, all you need to do is look @simms22 benches. His Nexus S gets a quadrant of 6,000. His smartbench 2011 shows a game index of 10,000 :eek:

Benches are all messed up, I don't think there is one out there that accurately depicts a phones true speed.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Your right I'm a dumbass. Actually I got my information, not from the link but from a well respected phd at the my university (im a neuroscienc graduate student there, so I'm not lying). He, who works with and develops new technology used in tear chips, says that the Qualcomm is the most advanced chip on the mobile market he has worked with. He says by raw power, not benches but high quality testing, only the exynos come close (real close). He said that the hardware excel and user interface speeds implanted by Samsung makes great use of the hardware. He said HTC sense 3.0, while functionally superior to touchwize, does not implement enhancements. So he said sense should receive a staggering boost from ice cream. Once that happens, he said it should be fluid like ios.

But then again he could be wrong, and your real world test might be right. I mean....who are we to argue with your preception? It's not like you ignore the software side...oh wait you do.

The professor I spoke of has the developed phones from the companies producing these chips. Let me tell you, they are all awesome. But the Qualcomm just runs incredible. To repeat him, it is "smart" with its asynchronous clocking, it really improves multitasking capabilities when a system utilizes it (yea he has ways to test this....hence his claim on android 2.4)
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Yes its clear that sense 3.0 is poorly compiled... Look at your active free RAM

It's is a RAM whore

But I know there are other things slowing this phone down rather than just the UI

Jlevy you know LG ****ed up on a lot of the drivers on the g2x just like i do... I'm sure HTC just glued this ***** together and boxed it up... Money>quality to them

Just like Samsung is the sgs2 perfect or will it be? **** no atleast not the US variants... I've only had the Korean version and like all phones I have my complaints

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[HTC EVO 3D] shep211:
WOO you build computers, I work for a large IT consulting firm. I have mcse, mscit, ccna & will be doing vmware sphere training soon. Dont tell me about how cpus work bud. If you really think benchmarks don't matter then you know nothing. Why is there competitions all over the world for overclocking pc's that they use benchmarks to find the fastest pc (I7 water cooled at 5 ghz beat that)? Why do they use benchmarks on super computers to see what one is faster? Yup them engineers are dumb for using benchmarks on them super computers right? Get real dude.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
So how would you compare the two phones?

Seems to me if you want pure speed, you can achieve it on this device with a secondary launcher.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Did you not just comprehend with what I just stated? My goodness you are something else... Really? BENCHMARKS DO NOT REFLECT REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE! Do you really think benchmarks do? Benchmarks only matter when the person is going to actually utilize of what is being benched.... The EVO 4G had poor benchmark performances yet I didn't experience poor speed. You have no clue.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Correct!

Do not take one benchmark app and extort the truth

Run multiple benchmarks multiple times to get a general idea...

I almost want to contact Google and tell them to make "benchmark app developers" put (not 100% accurate or uses may vary)

How can 3 g2x's I have had at one time all running stock firmware,basebands,harware get multiple differences in readouts from these benchmarks?

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[HTC EVO 3D] :
I7 at 5Ghz water cooled? That is pathetic, I've seen an i7 990x operate past 5Ghz water cooled... I've seen a i7 2600K operate at 6Ghz water cooled.... There has been a i7 at 7Ghz that was under nitrogen.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
True and my 3d got broke 3000 on quadrant once overclocked, yet other people can get over 2400. I have seen an sgs2 get 2700 and another one get 3700....really? An inconsistent benchmark is a useless one.

Samsung may or may not have copied apple, but at least they one uped (tell 2.4) Google and followed apples example with hardware acceleration present in some aspects of phone haha.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
The sgs2 had a few problems with screen clarity,colors and the dreaded "burn in"

Alone with radio problems/ weak signal

It was fast: browser speeds and general navigation

But again the new touchwiz is not really that much different from the older one on the original galaxy line...

A few "cosmetic enhancements" but nothing new new like it is with sense 2.1 to 3.0

I honestly will never buy another Samsung product due to all my problems with my vibrant,nexus s,nexus s 4G,and sgs2

Let alone this 3000 dollar brick I have in my living room Samsung wants to call top of the line LED tv...

No way am I a phanboy of HTC... Rather a phanboy of all android alike...

But i will choose HTC> Samsung any day

Due to "device support" and not just on phones but ALL products

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[HTC EVO 3D] shep211:
I have tested them in real life and not just read about what the manufacturer claims. There is tons of tech websites talking about how poor qualcomms new chipset is and how they are falling behind the tech curve but I can only find one blog about how qualcomms chipset is king.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
My balls operate around 9ghz with a water/meth kit and a 50 dry shot of nitrous

Jk :)

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[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
So was the sgs2 faster than the currently bloated 3d? Do you petsonally think the.hardware is better? I'm trying to figure out why we have all these EVO 3d bashers here.

Here is a hypothetical question. If you could have either device error free, unlocked, which would you take?

Thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Tech websites....right...they all have phds and hi tech equipment to make their claims with.

This professor is not biased, his grants depend on accurate data and conclusions. He would be the first one to tell you the EVO had a poor first gen processor....so he is not partial to any particular one. He would also say that the galaxy s phones had the best chips....but a horrible support/software running on top of the chips

Btw I loved my EVO, so don't take me wrong here.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
(taking out my hate towards samsung)

If in all. Reality both phones where on sprint

Flawless in every manageable way

(no defects or software problems)

And sprint service didn't suck...

Id take the 3d

Yes yes here is my reasons

Sgs2 balls deep best phone stock...

Sleek slim firm build quality (unlike the original sgs with plastic crappy feeling)

Top of the line A9 coretex/ext4 hardware accel.

But what it doesn't have is "originality"

Nothing new other than better hardware... No new "3d like" features

Yes some can say "well we can get roms with cool **** ported over"

But Samsung has basically done what Steve jobs did with the iPhone

Sgs to sgs2 new software and better hardware

HTC = innovation

No 3d glasses off is not "there find" but there the first to bring it to America on a great EVO like phone

I also got comments walking around with my Samsung phone from people

"hey is that the new iPhone"

Uhhg I hated it

Is rather support a company with my hard earned dollars I get from hookin on the corner that brings new ideas and support to their products than a company that puts out a iPhone clone out just to make some money and not support it

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[HTC EVO 3D] jlevy73:
The sgs2 is definitely faster then the current 3d. Most likely due to excellent hardware/software optimizations made by Sammy. Hardware it's tough to say. The evo has 3d which is revolutionary, Sammy has a nice 8mp shooter. Build quality I give to HTC. Sammy is plastic and feels like you could crush it with your bare hands. Both screens are very good. Contrast being better on the qhd but colors seeming more alive with samoled+.

If I could take one completely error free, I'd choose the 3D.
[HTC EVO 3D] shep211:
Only 2% cpus can do 50+ multiplier lol. You may want to read before claiming that's pathetic. Only liquid nitrogen systems can go past 5 ghz and are not usable & stable for long periods of time(KEY WORD STABLE). I can push past 5 ghz but its not stable. Sure i can take a screenshot and act cool online but in the real world 5 ghz stable for daily use is not a easy task but you would know this if you actually did overclocking.

Results are representative of 100 D2 CPUs that were binned and tested for stability under load; these results will most likely represent retail CPUs.

1.	Approximately 50% of CPUs can go up to 4.4~4.5 GHz

2.	Approximately 40% of CPUs can go up to 4.6~4.7 GHz

3.	Approximately 10% of CPUs can go up to 4.8~5 GHz (50+ multipliers are about 2% of this group)

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1578110
[HTC EVO 3D] :
To what I've seen, I will still say it is pathetic. And did I say they maintained the clocks daily? No I didn't.... You are still missing the point behind all of this. Go play with your Galaxy Tab.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Irrelevant to phone forum discussion

I am issuing a stupid ban on both of you for arguing about pointless info that has nothing to do with the processors in phones...

24hour stupid ban starts now

God have mercy on your soul

:)

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[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
So do you see ice cream, and a few optimizations to sense, bridging the gap between these phones?

Honestly, sense may never be the fastest ROM, but it sure as bell adds a lot to the phone.

Honestly I am looking for the best device to get me through a 22 month contract, since I don't actually want to upgrade every year.

I was inclined to think that the 3d would last the longest, but I am open to other points of view.

Haha I also wonder what will be the function of our hardware keys once ice cream is released.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
I wasn't the one that started talking about 5Ghz overclocking on a desktop processor... If you read my other statements, they said benchmarks do not reflect real world performance unless you are utilizing in what is being benched. But noooooo this guy swears on Baby Jesus that benches mean everything in the world... :rolleyes:
[HTC EVO 3D] shep211:
Nothing new lol. You know htc did not make the 3d screen right? Samsung makes most of apples mobile hardware and is leading in mobile cpu, screens, & memory technologies. That is real innovation. All htc does is take other peoples products and throws the phones together with **** quality control. Wow that is hard to do. I would like to see HTC build there own cpu, screens, & memory and keep up with the demand of apples needs.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I was just kidding diaz

Let's all just relax and smoke a bowl and say "opinions are like assholes. EVERYONE has one and they usually stink"

(compared to our own)

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[HTC EVO 3D] :
Actions speak louder than words so lets get to it! :)
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
All phones have screens

All phones have CPU (well smartphones)

All phones use memory cards

My question is... What the **** did they do new?

Nothing they "IMPROVED" already made technology

Yes HTC "3d " is based off the Nintendo 3ds but HTC has been around since the birth of android.... Samsung "adapted" to it to improve profit margins at first and found out they can make a lot of money from it

And my main case for choosing HTC is where in the **** is samsungs support for ALL devices they make

My tv **** out and bestbuy returned it to guess who. Samsung.. that sent it back in the same fasion and non working condition it was sent to them...

Owned? I think I was :(

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[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Samsung has the financial means to keep up with the demand. They make household appliances....they make everything.

Give apple, HTC, etc the money and manufacturing prowess and then you can compare.
[HTC EVO 3D] mike21pr:
yes, the GS2 is faster overall, but why? lighter and optimized software, great cpu, and less pixels to push. Id say that Sammy gets credit where its due

that being said, id still take the 3VO over it. Why does everyone talk like the galaxy vs 3VO is like comparing a ferrari vs a pinto??? The specs are so close that the decision would be based on what feature set you would like

Basic specs...

both have 1.2 ghz dual core processors

both have 1GB RAM

both run Gingerbread

......see? Basically very comparible, Now...

Sense 3.0 with all the added features and polish vs Touchwiz, a more watered down overlay but lighter and slightly faster

Higher resolution QHD 3D screen vs Better colors in SAMOLED

8mp camera with 1080p vs a 3D capable dual cameras

Personally i see no phone destroying the other in this comparison. Its what specific features attract you more. And since HTC released a slightly more futureproofed device (mainly because of the higher res screen since WVGA is getting old and will soon be the "crap" resolution) better support history from HTC and more dev. following makes me prefer the 3VO
[HTC EVO 3D] BrianBaker:
well,can I go to my local Sprint corporate store right now and pick one up? Because I will.I'll go there right now and trade in my Evo3D and get it right now..Oh but its not out for Sprint,just a rumor and un-confirmed phone to be on my network.

Until then,I will enjoy a phone that I currently have access to and can actually enjoy.Not a figment of my GD best phone ever imagination.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
If xda app had a thanks button is find 5 of tour most recent post (no mater what) and thank them all like you invented a app that starts my car on a cold morning

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[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
With that said I'm gonna laugh my ass off when every single sgs2 variant to come onto the American shores with tegra 2 :p

Not that its bad but my 3vo smokes my g2x in every way

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[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
You forgot to mention that the sgs2 secretly can not only increase you e-penis length via benchmarks, but it can also increase the length of your penis in real life, just got to hold the phone right ;) ( source:somewhere like engadget).....
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Oh and don't forget it gets you more "ass" weather it be men or women

Because everyone cares about your benchmarks and mflops

Oh and it will get you a better job making 200k a year :rollyeyes:

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[HTC EVO 3D] Smac7:
exactly. I also prefer HTC's track record for smartphones over samsungs. They just seem to support the consumer better. The og evo is one of the most supported phones in the android arsenal. Its had eclair, froyo, and gingerbread. I would be happy if they also supported the evo3d for 3 major software versions.

Also, dev support. I realize this is out of the manufactures hands, but htc always has the best dev support.
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Oh yes...mflops really turns them on. One can go clubing with an sgs2, show of the mflops, and bam....one night stand.

Unfortunately....you may get a bunch of nerds begging for your attention :) isn't that hot?
[HTC EVO 3D] peachpuff:
The only thing im disappointed in with the evo3d is its sluggish browsing performance with flash enabled, it just shouldn't lag like that with a dual core cpu. If it would be as smooth as the sgs2 i'd probably get it, plus it has a notification led unlike the sgs2(wtf samsung!).
[HTC EVO 3D] mike21pr:
hahahaha ill whip out my GS2 and show her my quadrant benchmark and say "yea baby... its THAT long..."

@peachpuff: i have plugins at On Demand, thats prolly why i didnt notice lol
[HTC EVO 3D] BlueGoldAce:
Download opera or just wait for the next version of android. The majority if sgs2 fluid advantages will be incorporated for all phones in ice cream.
[HTC EVO 3D] pachi72:
I hate HTC for their lack of 16gb internal storage..would never buy anything from them.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Samsung galaxy s 4G came with no interal storage...

(none you can utilize anyways)

Nexus s 4G comes with no external storage

Biggest iPhone comment ever

I want the one with more GeeeBeeez

Lmfao fail all over that post

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[HTC EVO 3D] :
mmmmm ice cream