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[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I was the only person to doubt the OP?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15414586&postcount=2

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15415302&postcount=7

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15449031&postcount=30

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15469366&postcount=45

No, I was merely the only one to speak out directly against the idea of just believing some random comment on these forums.

Especially from a person that is telling me "Don't dispute this, I have no time to argue the facts."

And a person that is a brand new account who is creating alternative brand new accounts(at least one we can tell) to make it look like more people have the same results.

If you'd stop looking at the username before replying and merely replying based upon that username, instead of what's being said, you would see why what I'm saying is correct here.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
omg, you are so dense..

No, you weren't the only person to DOUBT the op, you WERE the FIRST person to ATTACK the op.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, in the above quoted text mattykins has made my closing statements for me, clearly demonstration delusional misconceptions of reality and the ability to contort conversational context.

The people recommend that henceforth mattykinsx no longer be held accountable for anything he posts on the internet as he does not appear to understand much of what he posts, and possibly his actions in real life which are still under review.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
And you're in this thread for no purpose but to attack me no matter what I have to say...so what's your point bud?

Being outspoken doesn't make what I'm saying wrong.

Sorry you respond only on emotions instead of to what's really going on here.

And for someone calling others "dense" you certainly are acting as such.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
No, being wrong makes what you're saying wrong.

I'm sorry you don't understand what's going on here.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Feel free to explain to me how it is "wrong" to demand for proof of something being stated as fact.

Feel free to explain how it is "wrong" to state that the OP is doing nothing but trolling given the evidence presented (including the fake alternate accounts)

Just because "nebenezer" says it doesn't make it reality.
[EVO 4G General] MicrosoftBug:
I already forgot what this thread was about, lol. It's almost like watching Tyson and Holyfield. I need popcorn, stat!
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
I didn't say it's wrong to demand proof. What's wrong is your perception of what I said when I pointed out that you were the first to attack the op. You replied by citing other posts that displayed doubt in the op's statement, which was completely irrelevant given the context.

I never said it is wrong to state the op is not trolling.

Please feel free to provide proof the op is in any way associated with any other member directly, aside from being new members. Furthermore please feel free to provide proof the op generated any new account(s) at xda to support his claims, or any other reason.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
And you're calling others' "dense"?

What's the date? 7/8/11

What's the date this person joined?

http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=4164592

7/7/11

And what did that person do?

Immediately defend the OP with his only two posts during my discussion with the OP in this thread.

http://xdaforums.com/search.php?searchid=79775275

Notice what time those posts were made and what convenient point in the discussion they occurred?

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Also: You'll notice that when I told the OP to "get a life" was AFTER he created the alternative account to support his statements.
[EVO 4G General] MicrosoftBug:
I love that commercial!
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Conjecture
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Yeah, in a court of law it would probably end in a Casey Anthony blunder because I don't have IP address or computer record proof that it's an alternative account.

However, this is the real world.

In the real world we can use our brains and basic logic/intelligence to come to reasonable conclusions.

Thanks, by the way, because if you hadn't proved to me and everyone else that your goal here is only to fight with me, this last little post by you definitively puts the final nail in that coffin.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
I'm glad to see you are able to admit defeat..
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Do you do anything on here but try to delude and redirect?

You don't even have the Evo anymore, feel free to delude and redirect in your Evo 3D forum.
[EVO 4G General] Slatter39:
I see this going back and forth will not really need to anything beneficial to the android community, sprint and loyal xda members. Please stop. Lets agree to disagree and vice versa. All points have been taken and well noted. lets get back to original info in OP and how it affects us as sprint customers.

Please note that i am not taking any sides but i want this back and forth between our xda fam to STOP.
[EVO 4G General] ahneg:
It's not that I feel the need to prove to mattywhatever that I'm not an alternate form of the OP, but I do feel the need to let everyone else see that I am here for a legitimate reason.

I found this forum due to a reference from Travis at the sprint store I mentioned in an earlier post. I have loved my EVO for the year I've had it up until this last update. Now it's a paperweight.

During my FOURTH visit to that repair store, Travis mentioned this site and said that if I could get my phone back to 2.2 that there was a guy from Boston that had a really stable ROM I could use to root my phone with. So I came here to check things out. I was surprised when he told me about Sprint changing their stance on repairing rooted phones, and came here as soon as I got home to try and figure out if/how I could do it.

You may not see me post much, as I am not super tech savvy and am just learning about all this. I assure you though that when you do see me post that I will NOT engage in what these two seem to enjoy(hopefully I am wrong about this)

Sorry about the length, I tend to be a bit wordy sometimes:o
[EVO 4G General] tx_dbs_tx:
So if this is true and Sprint has decided to support rooted phones, that would mean all the people's accounts that have been "flagged as rooted" would have to be omitted out of the system as such. There will probably never be a public or written announcement by Sprint concerning the recent decision to support rooted phones but you never know.

OP's first post did indeed look to attract trolls & fools aka "troll bait". That's been mentioned and is a valid point. Perhaps it was intentional... who knows. I'm done here, you people have fun with the bickering, I gotta get back to Rosie Theming for Synergy ROM.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
How many sprint techs need to state, unequivocally, that they must support rooted phones before people listen? The other day, in another thread, one even advised that, if a tech refused service for root, you should ask to speak to the manager...and if that didn't work, to escalate to the srss. There has even been a sprint employee confirm it in this very thread...a fact carefully, and conveniently, ignored. I don't even know.how this is an argument, when so many people with actual, first hand knowledge have confirmed its validity. The end.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
We have one "sprint technician" saying so.

With all due respect to that person, this is the internet.

I could create an account right now and put "sprint technician" in my signature, doesn't make it the truth.

Beyond that I've never seen other people talk about Sprint taking rooted phones.

On the other hand, I have heard of people getting tagged as rooted.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
No, there is one in this thread. I have seen other sprint techs say the same thing. You know what I haven't seen? A Sprint tech calling BS. BTW, where is your proof, in writing (as that seems to be the only kind you accept...since you do not seem to be inclined to call number listed earlier in the thread to ask for yourself), that people have been getting tagged? Isn't that just hearsay, as well? Don't tell someone you need more proof, and then turn around and offer the exact same sort if evidence to support your opinion. Either word of mouth is worth a damn, or it isn't.
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
You =
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Oh please, again with the arguing because its my username saying it and not based on what's being said.

We have one person in this thread that even claimed to have been tagged as rooted.

There have been other people throughout the forums that have talked about that as well.

I'm not suggesting that I trust the person in this thread that said he was tagged as rooted anymore than I trust someone of the opposite side as neither have given proof.

However, there have been past instances of people's accounts getting marked as rooted.

I'd find you some links of people claiming it but I'm mobile at the moment.

If Sprint has truly changed their policies that's great and I'm all for it. I'm sure some sort of official statement or article by someone like androidcentral will be made.

In the meantime, telling people on here that something is fact with no proof but what some Sprint Rep might have said is just ridiculous.

Now let me restart my phone cause my kickstand wont close all the way. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Where is your proof.

Btw, your screen name has nothing to do with it. I am speaking the truth, and would have said the same to anyone...except that no one else has spent as much time arguing about this as you. Don't try to play the victim card when your own actions have put you in the position you are in. Multiple sprint techs have said that policy has changed. Period. You don't have to believe me, my self-esteem doesn't hinge on your opinion. I decided to be proactive over the past bit. I did, in fact, call my local store. Truth be told, I called two, because the first had me on hold so long. when I finally talked to someone, I immediately asked to speak to the manager. The answer? If the problem you are having is not software related, the techs will work on your phone, regardless if root status. He didn't say whether it not they would tag your phone as rooted, and I didn't think to ask. Frankly, I am satisfied with the response I received. You do with this info whatever you wish.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
My proof of what?

Something that is common knowledge?

The reasoning that people unroot and tell everyone to unroot before taking it to a store?

Fine, I did your little "call and ask" approach.

First call was to

23050 Michigan Ave

Dearborn, MI 48124

(313) 724-3200

This is a "corporate store"

I spoke to "Carissa"

Me: "Hi, I'm just curious if Sprint services rooted Android phones?"

Carrisa: "No, we do not"

Me: "So there has been no change to Sprint policies in regards to rooted phones?"

Carrisa: "No sir."

Second call was to

23161 Allen Rd

Target Shopping Center

Woodhaven, MI 48183

(734) 692-6060

This is also a "corporate store"

I spoke to "Ray"

Me: "Hi, I just had a quick question. Do you guys service rooted Android phones?"

Ray: "Uh, no we do not. You can return it to stock via the HTC website but we cannot service rooted phones."

Me: "So there hasn't been a change to Sprint policies regarding rooted phones?"

Ray: "No there has not"

Feel free to call those stores yourself.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Did you ask to speak to a manager? Or attempt to escalate to an srss? Both of these things were advised if they refused service.
[EVO 4G General] austin420:
I just called a corperate store in kansas city mo. The Ward Parkway location. This is the second closest store to the sprint world headquarters in overland park kansas. This is the store hesse goes to when he is going to "drop in" somewhere.

I spoke with rep "chris".

Same story as above. He said they do NOT under any circumstances serice rooted phones. He also said they don't flag them though and he is unsure of other store policies.

Just my experience. Take it or leave it.

Edit Per request...

Sprint Service and Repair Center.

8600 Ward Parkway

Kansas City, MO 64114

816-444-7112
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Since we are, for some stupid ass reason, trusting the same people that tell you to reboot your phone if your kickstand doesn't close properly:

14:16:35 : Connected to sprint.ehosts.net

14:16:35 : Session ID: 3179412

14:16:35 : Me: Initial Question/Comment: question in regards to rooted phones

14:16:45 : You are number (2) in queue.

14:16:45 : Please wait and the next available account specialist will be with you shortly.

14:16:55 : You are next in queue...

14:17:05 : If you are chatting today for Technical Support, please call 1-888-211-4727.

14:17:25 : If you’re a corporate business customer, you can chat with us at sprint.com/mysprintbusiness. Simply sign in and click on Chat. If you prefer to speak with someone, please call 1-800-927-2199.

14:17:40 : Sammy K has joined this session!

14:17:41 : Connected with Sammy K. Your Reference Number for this chat session is 3179412.

14:17:41 : Thank you for contacting Sprint. My name is Sammy K.

14:17:56 : Me: Hello

14:17:56 : Sammy K: While I access your account information, can you please provide more details about why you’re chatting with us today?

14:18:01 : Sammy K: Hello.

14:18:19 : Me: I have a question related to rooted android phones. Does Sprint service rooted android phones for repairs and such?

14:19:03 : Me: The reason I am asking is because I was told by several people that Sprint does.

14:19:33 : Me: Although I know that at one point the policy was to NOT service rooted android phones, I want to confirm whether that policy has changed or not

14:20:36 : Sammy K: If you have Total Equipment Protection plan on your phone line you can get a phone repaired in a Sprint store.

14:21:26 : Sammy K: However, rooted phones cannot be repaired by technicians.

14:22:14 : Me: Alright thanks for your time.

14:22:43 : Sammy K: Is there anything else I may assist you with today?

14:23:04 : Me: No, thank you.

14:23:11 : Me: Have a good day.

14:23:23 : Sammy K: Thank you and you too.

Note: I changed my last name to "me" for obvious reasons.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I just had three experiences of the same nature.

Please provide the number and address of the Sprint store for everyone here.

There you go folks.

You are absolutely welcome to call and speak to those people I'm sure they will be there for the next few hours if you don't believe me.

I don't trust **** on the internet that isn't backed up from a reliable source.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
OMG. I am guessing you are going to say i was bullshitting you if I don't do the same? Whatever. I called the Austin sprint store in the techridge plaza. 5122512884

Edit: I am done with your crap. We have had numerous conversations over PM about how your attitude affects the way people respond to you, yet you continue to be a jerk, and continue to be surprised when people are jerks back. Hell, I wasn't even a jerk in my response, and you attempted to accuse me of picking on you. Fine. Whatever. The ignore button exists for a reason...imma push it and see if that helps increase my enjoyment of the boards. It certainly couldn't hurt.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No dude I'm not going to say you're bullshitting me.

Also, did you know that store you called is not even a repair store?

http://sprintstorelocator.com/resul...iontype=none&selectionvalue=&search_param=R10

Edit: I love how now you're going to push the ignore button and ignore what I have to say after I point out that the store you called

isn't even a repair store.

"Prove me wrong? Okay I'll put you on ignore!" :rolleyes:

Typical!

Facts folks, they help with real life and being truly informed.
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
Also helps if ur not a total douche bag. All u do is start arguments and are an ass to 90% of people on the forum. I guess loosers like yourself have nothing better to do but start problems on an internet forum. Go ahead say something about me making a comment about ur daddy along time ago. I could give a **** at this point. As far as I'm concerned ur nothing but a sad little boy who has no life. But there is no arguing with u cause its like talking to a brick wall but at least the brick wall has a better personality and u can stand being around it.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Actually, matty, I pushed the ignore button before you made you post. The only reason I even saw it is because papa quoted you. Yes, I realize it isnt a repair store. The fact the the manager said that service centers would still service phones should tell you something. If i was worried aboput you finding out that the SECOND store I called wasn't a repair center, wtf would I have given the name and number? Pull your head out. I'm done here.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
"Pull [my] head out" because I don't trust what

a manager at a store that doesn't even do repairs says about stores that do repairs

?

Really? :rolleyes:

You wanted proof, I went your route bud.

I called two corporate stores that do repairs and both said a resounding "NO"

I even provided the names, addresses, and phone numbers for anyone to call.

We even have another forum member saying that a corporate store where he lives says the same thing.

No service on rooted phones.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15498188&postcount=82

It's always the same four people ganging up on people and it's really old.

So please, put me on ignore. Papa Smurf, please do the same.

nebenezer and conqu1stador please also do it too.

It won't shock me when fights like this decrease significantly on here....well..that is...until you guys find the next person you choose to just plain dislike.
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Then I'm guessing that my regional service supervisor is wrong and he should listen to the sales associates and techs as to Sprint policy.
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
No dude not at all. What u need to do is call ur regional service supervisor and tell him to cone to xda and this thread and bow down to little Matty as he is always right and everything he says u must believe. God forbid they get into an argument.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No dude what's being suggested is that Sprint's policies aren't the same for every store.

What's his name and business number?

Maybe you should explain to him that it would be appropriate for Sprint to ensure that all stores, especially corporate / repair stores know this.

Its not fair to present something as fact that varies based upon where you go and who you ask.

Especially for forum members that rely on XDA for this type of information.
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Part of the problem is that not all stores are on the same page. You also have to consider the variance of techs, sales reps and call center reps knowledge and skills. For example a store in my area tried to DBR a customer's phone because she took it to a Sprint ASC and not a corp store. Would you trust that store to service your phone much less unroot it? I think not.

Look at it this way, if your local service center says Sprint doesn't service rooted phones, most likely that they lack the personnel qualified to do it. Instead of explaining who can and can't service rooted phones they're most likely told "Sprint doesn't service rooted phones".

I will admit that I am the exception to the rule as far as techs go as you can tell by my sig.
[EVO 4G General] XAnimal:
Well I found this
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I understand what you're saying but the fact is we have known for some time that *some* Sprint stores will service rooted devices.

There's actually a thread listing some of them.

However, stating that it is a complete change in policy for Sprint is unfair to anyone that comes on XDA for information on this subject.

Because it is obviously not true.

A person with 92 posts with very few thanks and no link or any information on where this information came from is hardly proof of anything.

Not trying to be a ****, it's just the truth.
[EVO 4G General] Bslydem:
My local sprint store middletown, oh now services rooted phones. If they cant figure it out they will ruu you though.
[EVO 4G General] LZLandingZone:
Sprint doesn't have to rewrite the warranties. HTC supports the root community, and even changed its policy on bootloaders. If HTC and Sprint partner up on something like this, it'll attract more customers. HTC did say that you don't need a phone, you need a phone that gets you. And if we make our phones suited for us, then we're doing.what we're supposed to do. Phones are pieces of iconography.
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
Two stores in Denver have taken rooted phones for several months now. Neither are corporate stores.

Tapa tapa tapa
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
With all due respect, you're using what is said in a commercial by HTC as some sort of evidence that Sprint has changed their policies...kinda silly...scratch that....VERY silly.

The underlined is the problem.

It seems that NO corporate stores support this.

Well, the two I called and the one that austin420, anyway.

Again, I'm not against the idea that Sprint is going to support rooting phones.

Sounds like a great policy change.

Would love for it to be true.

But wanting something to be true doesn't mean that, without proof, it automatically is true.

If Sprint has truly changed their policies then they are doing so under the belief that it is a good way to attract Android users that like AOSP, and openness.

Why wouldn't Sprint be jumping to let everyone know this?

They would.

They certainly are when it comes to unlimited/unthrottled data

Makes no sense to change a policy like this and then not let anyone know.
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
All they need to do is log in to device solutions portal and go to CE - Phone Feedback > Service and Repair > S&R

Communications > Rooting Device Policy

It seems that making sure that a store knows what the policy is not at the top of many stores list.
[EVO 4G General] sniperkill:
Stop being a stick in the mud. And you wanna accuse OP of trolling. lmao
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
An unknown fairy dropped this little gem on me.

See folks, this is proof. Evidence.

Not just hearsay.

Shame on Sprint for not spreading the information around to all of their stores, especially the corporate stores.
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish Marz:
Works for me. I'd still like to make clear that Gronk the Phone Tech is not going to be your best choice for service. Be selective and proactive when choosing a service center.
[EVO 4G General] waterboy100:
i know that this is a big bump but is there a way to get a copy of the pdf that i can wave in the face of a service tech?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
People would likely lose their job.
[EVO 4G General] AdriVelazquez:
Never mind
[EVO 4G General] thlinx:
Funny thread indeed. I'm glad the pdf file popped up on here. Thanks matt for the PROOF. Matt did have a very valid point. We shouldnt say something this important without proof. I think some of you were hating on matt, but think about it. What if you went into a sprint store with the proof from that one user, and it cost you a new evo or worse? I'm a firm believer in trusting real evidence and not word of mouth.
[EVO 4G General] AdriVelazquez:
By the way, there is proof of this.

Everyone should have received in the mail the increase in the total protection program to $8. This added dollar is issued to increase the protection against customers who brick or root they're own phone.

"Effective July 24, 2011, Sprint is increasing the price of its Total Equipment Protection (TEP) program for the first time in 5 years from $7 to $8 per month, per line. The increase is caused by the high replacement cost of advanced and expensive devices being purchased by wireless consumers.

All customers with TEP were notified of this change in early May.

TEP is a valuable and comprehensive protection product allowing you to avoid high replacement costs and offers unlimited repairs. As well as coverage against loss, theft or accidental damage.

Thank you again for contacting Sprint. If there is anything else I can assist you with, please reply to us."