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[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Okay, first of all I am not a fan of android and wouldn't use it but I do work as a liason to some of Google's subsidiaries. I was speaking with some people on our end who were overseeing the latest update and whether or not it would finally step up to the plate and get a hardware accelerated UI like all of the other big competitors and word for word what he told me is "That's up to the boys at Samsung (he meant all other OEMs but we were talking about Samsung's devices at that point in time.) So, like the good little XDAer I am I went and did my research, android can not have a hardware accelerated UI built into the base OS because of the variation in hardware. It is entirely up to your OEM's to implement a GPU accelerated UI which would require a whole new branch to a development team and since it effects so few people it's highly unlikely that it will occur. They are more than willing to contract a third party to utilize an OS that was already in development or in HTC's case build from scratch but the prospect of hiring an individual development team for something so trivial has little to no chance of occurring. I never did expect much from the ugly duckling except for it to market well with people who either wanted an alternative to the iphone or people who couldn't afford an iphone but this is a real kick in the head to pretty much everyone. I now appreciate the way apple and even moreso microsoft are going about the mobile phone game even more.
[General Topics] xaccers:
I know I shouldn't feed the troll but I have some spare time.

Firstly, considering how smooth android is it becomes obvious that it doesn't need hardware acceleration (unlike WP7 for instance).

Should the day come when it is required, then it will be implemented.

There. Question answered.
[General Topics] qwerty warrior:
Umm

isnt the Galaxy S II hardware accelerated

i think its the only android phone that is
[General Topics] xaccers:
Actually you're right, the Tegra provides hardware acceleration, and there are several tablets and phones that use it.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
qwerty warrior, the chipset available in the S2 is completely ready to go for a fully hardware accelerated UI and it is partially implemented but not fully.

xaccers, I see no reason to get into it with you regarding this matter again, android as an OS is just not up to par with the others, it's just another place for google to advertise. Trust me, the nice people here at google aren't going to prioritize adding features no one cares about. They'd much rather glorify a pallet swap and call it an update. It's slower than the rest and the only selling point is the market and the fact that you can get any app for free.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Except it is, many of us accepted your challenge regarding the lack of smoothness with android, and found you were very wrong.

You can start as many threads as you like denying it, but the fact remains you are wrong.
[General Topics] r3awak3n:
This is the second thread I see you dissing android. What'd the point? Why don't you use winmo 7, which I like as well, and let us use whatever we want without you winning. I could go and complain abt winno too and how its not customizable, its market is way too small and all its devices are outdated.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
It's Windows Phone 7, nothing like winmo. I'm not dissing android, just stating the facts regarding a meeting I had with a Google representative in passing.

xaccers, your "tests" prove absolutely nothing, I'm sure all of you just busted out your iphone next to your high end android device and swiped side to side? First of all that's highly unlikely and secondly regardless of what you say anyone who has moved to another OS will tell you just how terribly laggy fragmented android is. We've had this debate before, if you want to have another back and forth spanning three days with nothing but your alleged tests as your foundation then have at it. I will do the same on my smooth and seamless Dell Venue Pro that will be recieving the next update just as it did the last one.
[General Topics] qwerty warrior:
what do u mean partially ?

ive used it and there is no stutter what so ever

ie( playing 1080p video on youtube while pinch zooming and its buttery smooth)

i just cant see any stutter

even most people on the SG2 section dont bother with custom roms

some people install custom roms because of battery draining services

currently im running stock and my phone lasts about 3+ days :)

im not attacking anyone i like everything when it comes to software/hardware
[General Topics] xaccers:
I've used WP7, it sucks, and I use Android at the moment, and it doesn't.

Android is smooth as silk, it doesn't need any long winded transitions to hide the lag of loading an app, I just tap on a shortcut and it opens.

Of course Android can actually have icons, we're not stuck with duplo CGA tiles to bore ourselves to death with.

Once again Zee, you've made comments that can't be substantiated (ie there are many hardware accelerated android devices) and been left looking like a fool.

Maybe one day you'll actually find something genuine to pick holes in Android with, there's plenty of them.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
accidentally thanked you haha, enjoy :-p.

I agree, it's the best android experience I've had and while my opinion may be jaded against android due to such a long history of lag and such I did get a bit of stutter exiting and entering apps, and while running angry birds and trying to check email it was not that great. :/ Also the browser and a few other aspects don't seem to be hardware accelerated but the apps I was running should not have been enough to cause such a definitive stutter. Perhaps I've been spoiled by windows phone 7 but I'm just used to everything being seamless.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
There are many means of picking holes, I have no interest in doing so. I haven't even bothered with these forums as I don't need to mod my devices to make them better than any android device on the market. I just came on to verify that it was safe for me to utilize my developer account on multiple windows phone 7 devices. I am still looking forward to the day that I am so blinded by an OS that I can't see the obvious lag or lack of even moderately decent coding. Windows Phone has wowed me more than any other mobile OS in existence but even it can't leave me completely blind. I do wonder how a static icon to leave the page looking cluttered and generally ugly could possibly beat out a live tile constantly updating me with all the information I need. Perhaps I just like uniformity across an OS rather than clutter, that's my style.
[General Topics] xaccers:
You think WP7 is good, congratulations, you've been living that day for quite some while, apparently so blinded that you haven't noticed.

I have 4 icons on my home screen, icons I can choose the look of, and the placement, showing off the beautiful animated wallpaper I have.

As for poking holes, I'd be tempted to believe you, after all so far you've not managed to poke any holes, however you start a thread making false claims about Android and it tends to look like you're trying hard.
[General Topics] qwerty warrior:
thanks :)

i used nokia phones for a long time and i never made the switch to android because there was a lot of stutter even with custom roms

that small split second of " stutter " really used to piss me off thats why i used non touch screen phones like nokia

they were super fast for what i used it for

then bought a samsung i8910

was a great phone with Symbian ,it had copy paste and the opera browser was awesome .... the the screen cracked after it for 5 meters .... still worked and used it for another 4 months and i was still waiting for the "perfect " android phone and when i saw the SG2 in action i was amazed .personally i dont see the stutter and that enough for me :P

i never wanted wp7 or IOS because i felt like i was in a jail( coudnt change launchers or overhaul the UI) ... that was basically it ,i just wanted a fast phone that i could upgrade forever until the OS would be soo heavy for the duel core :)

peace
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
What it does have is not due to Google or Icecream or whatever pallet swap they're pumping out now. It is due entirely to Samsung so Android itself does not and will not have a hardware accelerated UI and it will likely never be fully implemented on any android device. I have 12 tiles on my homescreen, once for my calls, constantly updating with any missd calls or voicemails, one with my people which constantly cycles up to 9 friends at a time over the icon, all my friends or people I know, a messaging tab which keeps me updated on any missed texts and has a cool little face that shows different emotions based on the number of tabs, my hotmail which just keeps me updated there, my maps which shows my current or most recent destination, my internet explorer... pretty inactive... my me tile which cycles between a picture of myself and my son and any facebook/MSN notifications I might have, an xbox live tile which actively has my live avatar popping in and out (he's wearing a scorpion outfit, it pretty much rocks) and leads to the greatest game hub ever. My calendar that is pretty much my lifeline with this new job, my pictures hub that cycles between 30+ pictures of my little boy, a zune tile that shows my most recent artist listened to and a marketplace hub which constantly informs me of updates. All of this information is readily available with one swipe of my finger and I don't have to worry about whether that unlock is going to go through, whether I'll meet lag on the way down, or anything else. I can also pin literally anything to my homescreen but I don't like clutter. Overall it is without a doubt the most user-friendly user interface and is lag and clutter free, iOS can claim lag free, android can claim neither.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Commendable enough, I do appreciate the ability to change launchers and such and force updates on your phone but neither of them are things I would've ever done if I hadn't needed them. That's why I swapped, the speed and functionality were just a plus... Plus no other mobile game can compare to ilomilo.
[General Topics] r3awak3n:
I had a nexus one since day one and there was never any lag on it. Seriously smooth on everything it did. I now have a sensation and there is some lag here and there because of sense (i used temp root to disable some bloatware and its much better now). I had an HD7 since launch and it was a great phone, really smooth but I missed some apps on my android and tethering so I gave the HD7 to my dad and moved back to android. Moral of the story, my dad loves his HD7 and I love my android phone.

Android is fine now as is. I use google everything so android just integrates better with that than any OS ever will. Google maps on android is amazing and free.

Seriously man, just let go.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
For the record this is not the android general section and any post speaking of another OS as superior is not blasphemy, I am just repeating what was told to me by a high-ranking official working on the latest version of android. It is entirely up to the OEM to set up and always will be.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
I notice significant lag on my Nexus One between the time I unlock the phone and when it becomes fully usable, that's using the stock Gingerbread 2.3.4 GRJ22. It's not a big deal though, I just have to wait a few seconds before things settle down before it becomes responsive.

I don't really notice hardly any lag on my Froyo Droid Incredible.

So, lack of UI acceleration... why should I care?

And actually, iOS is not as un-customizable as most would believe. There are plenty of themes and UI customization, I've even seen some emulating WP7 for whatever reason. All you need is to be jailbroken, a process easier than rooting many Android phones.

So far I have not found any way to jailbreak the latest version of WP7, it really is a phone for people who just want to use it the way Microsoft intended. I've read you can downgrade, install ChevronWP7, then re-upgrade and keep the jailbreak, but other than pirating apps, there's not really any benefit to doing that that I'm aware of as I don't believe the homebrew community has really taken off with WP7 (but I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong).
[General Topics] xaccers:
Except, once again, you're wrong about the lag, you always have been, you always will be.

I don't like clutter, hence only 4 icons, the lovely animated wallpaper, and a subtle slide down notification bar sould I recieve new emails, texts, missed calls, open wireless networks, etc (It's so good even apple have copied it, give it a few updates and Microsoft will probably copy it too).

I don't want anyone who's looking at my phone to just be able to see what my friends are up to, why would I? So I just slide to another page and get the updates as they happen (of course if I was a saddo I could have that on my home screen).

A flick the otherway and I'm listening to my music, again I can have that on my home page if I so wished, but I don't like clutter such as the WP7 tiles force upon you.

Rather than having a tiny photo of my loved ones trapped in a tile, I can of course have them as full wallpaper images, cycling through the photos, after all, if you want to see pictures of your loved ones, 480x800 (or 960x800) is so much better than 173x173.
[General Topics] Tone_:
Sure Microsoft misses the boat but this is what Android looked like before google copied the iphone and totally changed tack.

I think Android is pretty cool but I am also glad that WP isn't having trouble like Android for copying everyone else IP, prime example above.
[General Topics] rizdog23:
Android 3.2 has hardware acceleration.......juss sayin'
[General Topics] majorpay:
That's a pretty cool device...lol

So you're also saying that WP7 didn't copy the iPhone look? What about multi-touch capability?

Because correct me if I'm wrong, but WP7 today looks a heck of a lot more like an iPhone than anything released as WM. If it weren't for the fact that they used tiles, wouldn't this be a duplicate of what every other phone is doing at the moment?
[General Topics] majorpay:
Yeah. Truth is they all do, but 3.2 from what I hear is supposed to be the higher user experience implementation. I've heard that they will skip 3.2 for 4.0. I hear a lot of things. This could just be rumor as well.
[General Topics] rizdog23:
The Huawei Media Pad was already confirmed as an android 3.2 device (confirmed by huawei), and a port/test of 3.2 is on US-Wifi Only Xooms (according to portal).
[General Topics] Tone_:
Jeez make your mind up.. is WM/WP the same or not.

I think Microsoft and Fingerworks were doing multi touch for a long time and have patents proving such, Android a couple of years younger was not http://www.engadget.com/photos/a-visual-tour-of-androids-ui/#484250 and copied the iphone.

Apple patented it on a capacitive membrane if that's what you are insinuating.
[General Topics] vetvito:
I'll take text reflow over everything else for browsing experience. How about screenshots, I need them for my job. How about a real remote desktop client, a real document editor. Oh those are just a few I do on my phone that the so called windows fail 7 can't.

I can't believe you guys even bring that OS up in any serious argument. What a troll thread.
[General Topics] vetvito:
You do know that's not a touch screen device, and obviously the lay out wont be the same as a touch screen device.

Ex.

PPC Windows mobile professional

Windows mobile standard ( none touch screen)
[General Topics] jags_the1:
Pls pls continue to fight this thred is my only passtime... Lol.. I love how people here try to think that they are right to the gut and all others are stupid.. Its funnn :p
[General Topics] watt9493:
So wait.....youre telling me my underclocked incredible that people with wp7 and ios beg to play with is slower then a n underspeced wp7 or pos apple product?

Youre looking at a crackflashing troll with ORD
[General Topics] jags_the1:
you sure you dont have hot chick on the phone ? .. lol.. just joking
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Wait... I thought the Windows desktop UI is GPU accelerated. It was my understanding that the GPU is utilized to make Aero and Aero features possible, is this not correct?

What I'm getting at is that modern desktop OS's utilize hardware acceleration in the UI despite varied hardware configuration (or so I thought), so why would variety of hardware be a reason for Android not being UI accelerated?

Of course, it could be that I don't truly understand what it means for a UI to be accelerated. I honestly don't notice much of any lag on my Droid Incredible, even when I'm looking for it.
[General Topics] vbetts:
Microsoft has Aero no doubt, but AMD, Nvidia, or any other gpu maker like s3 or whatever has to make the driver for Aero to work with their gpu.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
Aero is done via standardized API, DX10, neither companies needed to perform anything specific to make it hardware accelerated. ( might need citation )

This makes me wonder if OpenGL can be used as a standard API to accelerate the UI.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
So Windows 7 and OS X have native GPU acceleration. iOS, WP7 have it as well. Blackberry surprisingly will as well(liquid graphics in BB7 and on in QNX) as well as webOS in 3.0(with Enyo and the upcoming TouchPad OTA).
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
ok, don't talk about a phone on a phone forum because all phones do what an old rotary phone could accomplish so despite an array of features there is no os that is in any way superior unless id been one of the hundreds to post a thread regarding another mobile oses faults and androids prowess. Also, op is a troll for posting a simple conversation he had with a member of googles dev team. Lets close this out with a signature that states Im a pothead, ladies and gentlemen, gold.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm wondering. OpenGL is the standard API used for hardware acceleration of games, so as long as the GPU drivers support OpenGL, why couldn't it be used to accelerate the UI as well, no matter what the hardware?
[General Topics] majorpay:
They *could* - they *don't* to maintain backwards compatibility.

It will happen, I'm sure of that. 3.2 has already implemented it, so it's on the horizon.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
But why would backwards compatibility require that they don't support it? I would think, like Windows Aero, if the GPU supports it, use it. If it doesn't, don't.
[General Topics] majorpay:
More work on an operating system that's already RTM. They are already way ahead of the O.S. we are playing with now.
[General Topics] mrrick:
Nah, you're a troll because of your first sentence of your OP which goes..

Lol, Way to start off a post in an android forum. You knew exactly what you were doing.

Also.. does the fact that I smoke make me less qualified to call out clowns on the internet? Nope.

I'm sure you'll reply with something you think is witty and smart. Do yourself a favor, Save your bandwidth and don't. We've all read your posts and like you said, its nothing new from any of the hundreds of other posts claiming faults with OS's and hardware and whatever else.

Cheers

Sent @ 04:20
[General Topics] :
I completely forgot about Aero xD Yes, that is GPU accelerated, and as somebody else said, it uses a standardised API. Mac OS X is as well (Core Animation).

Yes, they could write a whole API. They won't for Android 2.3.x because it is an 'old' OS...focus on Android 3, which I think does have hardware acceleration, is where the focus is, I presume.

However, it still doesn't take away from my previous point; it doesn't matter hugely, I think :)
[General Topics] vetvito:
Then Linux, and XP developers/hackers came out with their own version of Aero that didn't require all the extra memory from the GPU. Aero looks good, but a total waste of resources.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
With the available computing power and video memory even on low end computers, this is a non issue.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Now it is, but back then it was a huge issue.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
the android forum is a few sections down, this is a general forum and was when I started a predominately wm forum. Stating that I dont use and wouldn't use android does not make me a troll.
[General Topics] rizdog23:
Well you never actually started a thread about "wm" you started one for wp7. You have stated multiple times that they are different.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
and I see no need to start one. I was simply stating that just because the general forum does have an excessive amount of android related posts does not make it an android forum, focuses shift.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Dont know if you haven't noticed but this is a predominantly Android forum now. Look at all the devices and discussions. Hell even a quick Google for XDA and the leading name is Android.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I, however, am posting in the general section. I do find it ironic that you complain about this taking into consideration the fact that half of your time on xda is spent in the wp7 section, a section strictly dedicated to wp7, trolling and talking about how much better your os is there. Irony is usually pretty fun.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Yeah right. I had a WP7, so now I can't check the progress? Is that illegal?
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Long before you had one you did it, you still do it long after you've left the device, checking in is one thing, trolling a forum dedicated to an os is something totally different.
[General Topics] vetvito:
No longer taking troll bait. Its a OS, get over it. You would think some people are getting paid to troll and hate.
[General Topics] vbetts:
You know what will make this all better? Smores.
[General Topics] Tone_:
Exactly that's what Android was going be, a copy of BB until they got wind of what apple was doing and copied that instead even though HTC preceded it..

:D
[General Topics] ricky babalu:
I am going to start a fund to see if I can get you laid my friend! You have way to much time dedicated to defending and praising your beloved OS. If the phone disappeared tomorrow I would be ok, you on the other hand...............................
[General Topics] slapshot30:
Sounds good man, send me a link and I'll paypal that ASAP. This is urgent :p
[General Topics] Viper89:
Haha I can't stop laughing, You just owned this whole thread with one post :).
[General Topics] watt9493:
Unsuccessful troll its unsuccessful

Youre looking at a crackflashing troll with ORD
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
way to bring something completely unrelatedinto an otherwise valid discussion. Those of you who are amused, well I'm not shocked to see that type defending android.
[General Topics] Viper89:
"Those of you who are amused, well I'm not shocked to see that type defending android" lol what? You have your head so far stuck up your ass it's not even funny it's just really sad. For one Slapshot 30 and me haven't mention anything Android in this thread 2. I was amused because you are a pathetic troll crying for attention, Wait I see why you made this thread now, to try and get Android users to switch to WP7 to help boost WP7 sales which we all know is "FAILING" LMAO. This sums up everything I need to say:
[General Topics] k_nivesout:
Valid discussion? I like following the bickering in this thread because its entertaining, not informative. But what can you expect? You start this thread in a forum where just about everyone uses android, extolling WP7 and bashing android and people who use android.
[General Topics] Audren:
Androide iz ze beste!

(french troll was hide in this reply)

Sent from my GT-i9100 with MIUI 1.7.8 - xda premium app
[General Topics] sharper00:
Sheesh who knew it'd be a hot topic!

There's really no technical reason why they can't have an accelerated UI, they'll just take a leaf out of Apple's book and pretend it's not needed/not possible until they have time to do it.