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[HTC Sensation] dellybelly:
You just summed up my entire situation; I gave my N1 to the wife with MIUI on it and she's in love; but I am beginning to get ansy because im no-longer active in the MIUI irc channel as I have nothing at all to add. Not to mention im now stuck with a essentially stock phone. Went from flashing ROM's twice a week to now having "Just a phone" :(

Just looking over everything going on It doesn't seem the Sensation will be the dev phone many of us were hoping for; and with the emergence of the Nexus3, I think it's extremely unlikely for the Sensation to become that.

I think my main reason for getting the Sensation was the form factor; it really is close to the N1 style only supersized which I love. Looking back, I probably should have waited, but thats what we sign up for with our addiction, heartbreak and the occasional euphoric victory....just like drugs :)
[HTC Sensation] NYCguy2020:
I'm also starting to have doubts/second thoughts about the Sensation.I just don't think it will ever have the amount of developement the N1,original Evo 4g or even the Evo 3d have.:(
[HTC Sensation] esincho:
there will be plenty for u to flash. I can see if the phone had been rooted for a month and nothing. Why ppl get like this? Every phone I've had before root ppl flip out. All will be well soon
[HTC Sensation] forelli:
Common guys and girls. Just sit back and relax. At the beginning it was the same for the Desire HD/Ace. Go now the DHD forum and see by yourself. It also took time before Apache14 and other devs found a way to downgrade and install ENG Hboot on it, to SuperCID it and the process was heavy (Gscript, adb). Just give devs some time, I'm sure we'll have a leak from HTC's bootloader update. We already have 3 roms, it will grow bigger.

f.

Sent from the Dark Side using Sith mastery of the Force and a Sensation
[HTC Sensation] NYCguy2020:
I hope you are right.I'm just addicted to flashing and modding and i'm starting to have flashing withdrawl....lol
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
I also think people have been too antsy over things...All I care about right now is setcpu and titanium. Titanium works well...Setcpu doesnt work at all...

I think a detailed list of apps or processes to disable (with explanations as to how the phone will be effected) along with setcpu should hold everyone over until one of the guys here figures out s-off. I dont plan on letting HTC hold me to any more terms by going s-off THEIR way.

I say, let the devs do their thing without crying about how you have lost faith in them. No one likes working for free and then having to have people doubt them.

SetCPU needs to get its butt in gear, as it costs people money to use! Same for Titanium (which works). S-OFF from one of the dudes here is FREE...

Matt
[HTC Sensation] :
Sorry but OC is possible if the kernel supports it, isn't it?
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
OC is possible, I assume, but not working right now. People are working on it though, so I plan for it to be working soon as well. Then again, who knows? This htc sensation looks to be a real you know what! ;-)

Matt
[HTC Sensation] dellybelly:
I think people are just stating that it's clear the Sensation won't be "the dev phone"; im sure that was something some people hoped for (me included).

It's not like I hate the phone or feel it won't get any development; we did get lucky that the EVO is so similar because if you'll notice that had the initial push even though it came out after the Sensation.

Truth is the Sensation falls in an odd spot; it's not a dev phone and many regular people will go for the EVO 3d.....no knock of the device itself I love it. Either way im eagerly waiting.

You can't blame people for being frustrated; my N1 is essentially retired in under 1.5 years and that was the best phone ive ever owned; we are talking about HTC actuallly unlocking in September...so it's not a huge stretch for people to feel they will likely be itching for another device well short of it's potential lifespan.
[HTC Sensation] cmstlist:
Yes the difference is in the security measures. The Nexus One, Desire, Mytouch 3g slide and other older phones had lesser security, and root was sufficient to modify the system partition without S-OFF. The Desire HD, Mytouch 4g and G2 were the first generation of HTC phones to lock down the system partition at a hardware level, requiring S-OFF to modify it.
[HTC Sensation] joemm:
look up Nand-lock.......that's the diffrence.
[HTC Sensation] Sdobron:
This belongs in a noob faq thread. Take it to q and a.
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Disagree and I stated my reasoning. There is zero development at this time right now. A number of duplicated information threads in the Sensation Android development section (all regarding temp rooting, or simple ADB path commands is reason enough to take a bit of liberty on thread drifting. And again, Hardware locked Nand is not answering my original posted question regarding the Nexus one being fully rooted without any limitation and S-ON. Vs S-OFF here which is the direction users only appear to talk about instead of using unlocked bootloader terminology. It still takes software commands to achieve rooting of any type. To simply state Hardware locked would mean that the system boards would be required to be change out to get around a quote Hardware locked issue. I have close to 3000 posts now on XDA.I was offered being a moderator too, which I turned down, since I did not want to be accused of being hypocritical when it comes to showing some allowances/tolerances regarding posts here.
[HTC Sensation] DonJuan692006:
The Nexus One to my knowledge didn't have NAND protection. We need the bootloader fully unlocked on this phone to disable the NAND protection which will allow us to write to the /system and recovery partitions. That pretty much sums it up unless I'm completely off base.

Sent from my microwave.
[HTC Sensation] agrabren:
On HTC devices, s-on prevents the flashing of unsigned images. The eMMC write-protect prevents us from writing over recovery, boot, or system. Even if we could, signature checking by HBOOT would prevent it from starting. S-OFF disables all these security measures. What the G1 calls s-on is different than what HTC calls s-on.
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Thanks a bunch. I know many users are most definitely equating the ability to flash custom ROMs etc and feel this can only be achieved thru an S-OFF situation and this is not the case. I went hunting here on the EVO threads and specifically using Nand lock for key words. It's convoluted at best with many statements freely interchanging S-Off with unlocked boot loaders and depending on what source you use, you get a different answer. I'll let this drop here out in the public arena. If anyone want to send me a PM instead, I would welcome any input. Thanks and officially departing the thread drift. Sorry to anyone who feels I violated their space here.
[HTC Sensation] agrabren:
It's more than the nand lock, it's also the requiring signed images. The Atrix was locked, but the system partition could be modified once rooted. You just couldn't flash your own from fastboot without it being signed. That's why it could be rooted while locked. The EVO 3D and Sensation protect /system from any writes, so perm root is based on getting it unlocked in this case. And s-off is important for custom roms, where the boot img wants to be replaced. Each vendor has a different meaning for s-off. For HTC's recent devices, this means not signature checking all the images and locking the eMMC.
[HTC Sensation] DomSim:
Psssst htc made the g1
[HTC Sensation] zoth:
I think he means N1.
[HTC Sensation] Sdobron:
They made both G1 and N1.
[HTC Sensation] agrabren:
Ok, on secured HTC devices. ;-) Earlier generations weren't nearly as protected as current ones.
[HTC Sensation] Xcor3:
Lol
[HTC Sensation] DomSim:
yep lol :D
[HTC Sensation] cmstlist:
Okay here is an offbeat question...

The HTC Panache is a variant of the Mytouch 4g which has shipped with a Gingerbread Sense build. It's so far impervious to previously established temp root methods, including Gingerbreak. Is there any chance the vulnerability used in Fr3vo could be adapted to temp root the Panache?
[HTC Sensation] navillos:
Wasnt the Desire aka "Bravo" the first to have this new security from HTC? Called secuflag and therefore alpharev was created to S-Off the Hboot.
[HTC Sensation] Sdobron:
That was directed at Zoth, who is apparently clueless.
[HTC Sensation] cmstlist:
I don't know - my impression was the Mytouch 4G (Glacier), G2/Desire Z (Vision) and Desire HD, which came out around the same time, were the first to have this kind of severe lockdown.

AlphaRev(X) does not have any support right now for the Glacier. The standard MT4G root method involved using rageagainstthecage or psneuter for temp root, and then a downgrade if necessary, and then the gfree kernel exploit to achieve radio S-OFF. The Panache Gingerbread firmware, however, has closed up those temp root holes. If either AlphaRevX or Fr3vo's method can poke through and get temp root on the Panache, then it should be possible to downgrade, and then complete the rest of the MT4G steps with ease.
[HTC Sensation] zoth:
Yeah brain fart moment right there :o
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
twitter update from agrabren

Hi Guys

Just seen this update from Agrabren (Kevin) on twitter and I'm not sure what it means exactly :-)

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@agrabren

Kevin Bruckert

Side update. Looks like tomorrow we may add HTC View to the list of #fre3vo devices! #teamwin

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[HTC Sensation] esincho:
its another phone yo
[HTC Sensation] id242:
Like esincho mentioned...

http://www.htc.com/us/products/tablets/evoview-sprint

Video at...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uDRyLzzpVU
[HTC Sensation] doublecheese:
Oh good :)))

I also own a HTC FLYER aka VIEW

Great news .......

But I am thinking S-OFF is still a dream from us Sensation - Evo 3D and Flyer users :(
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Seems from this statement, it's security features as the main impetus on using S-On or S-Off along with a methodology that offers complete routing no matter which methods the phone uses. So... exactly what are these security features being alluded to that the Sensation has built the Nexus one does NOT have. Did I state this correctly per your reasoning of needing s-off for the Sensation, but S-on for the nexus one is perfectly OK since there's nothing more to be had from a security standpoint. Sounds like a new line of advertising phone capabilities is being lost here, if this really is the prime reason. Thanks for the reply.

That my friend does indeed say it all. Was the main reason for me to jump on, plus I did gain some added contract benefits by doing this now, instead of later.
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Ok makes since, upgraded security for htc newer phones via bootloader and emmc. So what sets the g2 apart even though it gas nand protect us that it doesn't have emmc that's why you can still flash custom Rom while on s-on.
[HTC Sensation] arzbhatia:
I wish the devs support the Sensation as much as devices like HTC Desire, Nexus one, Nexus S or Galaxy S! Like, releasing a lot of custom ROMS and all. I'll be really disheartened if that won't happen. It's the most expensive phone I've ever bought and it's my first HTC Device. I had the option to choose Galaxy S2 but still I chose the Sensation and seeing the Galaxy S2's Custom ROMS already releasing make me feel bad! Please support us DEVS!

I'm just a themer, but I can provide GREAT looking themes for the Sensation once ROMS like CM7 OR MIUI is out for the Sensation. I just love MIUI, I'm looking forward to it!
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
first we need S-OFF..

hope agrabren will give us some status news.. soon !!!

PS. i'm a themer too (ADW and GO Launcher)
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
Why are you even posting this? We don't have a custom recovery, permanent root, or s-off. Why would you compare this to devices with root and s-off?!?! especially the nexus line?!?!?!?!?! Are you serious?

The galaxy s2 has roms because they have root!!! Why would devs overload this phone with roms, and we can't even use them yet? aside from the FEW who have s-off? C'mon now.
[HTC Sensation] arzbhatia:
Did I EVER say that I'm comparing devices? Did I ever mention about us HAVING S-OFF? I meant, after we get S-OFF hopefully from HTC themselves by August, the dev community start to work on it and even I will. I want the Sensation to be a highly customizable phone for which various ROMS would be available and I'm not the only one who wants this. Maybe you misunderstood what I meant :)
[HTC Sensation] jdelforge5684:
I think he's talking future, not current expectations.

Sent from my HTC Sexiness.
[HTC Sensation] jagaroth:
Clam down guys.

For a locked phone we have a working clockwork mod, an over clock mod and a handful of working custom roms. Not a bad start.

We also have a temp root to aid us in hunting other exploits for perm root and s-off.

Given the underlying similarities with the Evo3D and the number of European devs with this phone means it has a great future.
[HTC Sensation] makomek:
Peoples are getting more and more aggressive in Sensation forum due to S-on nowadays, It's like no freedom and got lock in a jail(sense 3.0). I've seen alot of thread lock down lately due to peoples got on fire and burn a hole on their own **s .
[HTC Sensation] crackeyes:
No does not work. I tried it
[HTC Sensation] cmstlist:
Do you genuinely have a Panache from Canada?
[HTC Sensation] agrabren:
It wouldn't work without a tweak. But I'm working on fixes to help!
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Yes...a true statement. The kernel absolutely has to support OC. Which is why, I personally believe it's not so much a SetCPU issue we have with only seeing scaling limited, but more a kernel issue. Not sure I saw any other kernels being pushed in one of the temp root threads here. Once we achieve unlocking, then you will see more Kernel files from the known developers here we all were so accustomed to using with the N1. Of course I will add I may be way off base here, but I really feel the right kernel will fix the scaling problem. As a matter of fact, I'm good buds with one of the Kernel OP's (Red Star) if any N1 past users are reading in on this. I'll get in touch and see what he thinks about this.
[HTC Sensation] crackeyes:
I have access to a true my touch 4G slide
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Thank you. This reply was much more of an intelliigent answer on the subject. No, please...to everyone else this is NOT and again NOT meant as a slight on replies. Since deciding on going the Sensation 4G route and basically semi-retiring my Nexus one by passing off to my daughter, I have been a bit miffed at these issues. And these are NOT noob issues/replies when answered as it was here. This is a development thread. The query goes beyond the typical noob style statements we often see. Or for that matter, how many posts have we all seen that users claim SetCPU was working for them, before they actually looked and could see that scaling was NOT working. While I'm not in favor of thread drift as is obviously going on now, we also have come to a point where once in a while, a question that would help all in a specific thread I feel would be welcome. After basically stating I would drop the issue and welcome PM's on the subject, some well thought out posts are now coming thru, and for this I say thank you.
[HTC Sensation] superg81:
red star mentioned a while back grabbing the sensation.it will be nice to see him dev for the kernel :)
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Great sig BTW. I know he's in school during daytime. I'll try to reach him this evening.
[HTC Sensation] arzbhatia:
Has the EVO3D been unlocked?
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
not yet ;)
[HTC Sensation] Evil-Dragon:
Once the evo3d is unlocked, the sensation should be shortly behind or vice versa. They share similar tech.
[HTC Sensation] Dougi:
can't wait for it to be done...

Amazing, HTC is way down on this one :D:D:D:D:D:D.... to bad..

great news you devs... so happy to hear this...

quick question : how come HTC did lock their bootloaders, did read a lot about it and didn't find any answers...

:cool:
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
Not trying to be a kill joy or anything but guys we are all excited, but let's not turn this into a "thanks!!" thread, especially since nothing is released yet. We are already passed 5 pages of just thanks from people.
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
Because people don't know what they are doing so they try and root, end up breaking their devices, then run and cry to htc because there phone doesn't work for a replacement, abusing their warranty. So to stop it, they lock everything up, attempting to force you to stay stock.
[HTC Sensation] fmedrano1977:
+1, I'm in.
[HTC Sensation] neo.25:
Iam too cant wait, :D tonight dont going to sleep without root :D
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
Don't expect a release tonight. Don't even expect it tomorrow. Might be here sunday.
[HTC Sensation] Dougi:
ok thanks for the reply ;)... won't discuss about it ;).. ... ...
[HTC Sensation] Jaywan:
TeamWin is the real deal they carried the Xoom on there back and as a developer I say if Big Rush Dog and sonarz (sry if I misspelled it) are to the job expect it to get done. He walked all over Motorola and he will do the same to HTC.
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
quick question

Hi Guys

So this will enable us to get temproot. On top of the obvious advantages to temproot, will it enable us to flash a custom recovery so that we can flash custom ROMs ? Thanks
[HTC Sensation] malcontent510:
Just happened across the OP & can't wait to see the fruits of your labor. I'll be following this thread intently and donating soon.
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
It's a step towards that yes. Once we get perm root though and s-off, then we are pretty much set. I don't think CWM or Amon recovery is even finished for us yet. But don't really count on flashing roms and recoveries until we get perm root.
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
why

how do you know ? the developer tweeted a couple of hours ago that he is packaging the executable ?
[HTC Sensation] leftheodo:
It will be the first step for getting s-off. And then, the party begins.....!!!!! :D
[HTC Sensation] smoochiezz24:
In irc last night agrabren said late weekend. So sunday would probably be our best bet. Maybe before that but I wouldn't count on it. They want to release a stable package. Do it once and never have to do it again.
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
Given it's not been tested on the Sensation yet, I wouldn't even expect it to be late this weekend for us. Maybe for the EVO 3D, but not Sensation.

Maybe next week. But I don't want to speculate.
[HTC Sensation] malcontent510:
I've been saying they since before I bought this phone. (What's with this pornographic fixation with weather? Doesn't anyone look at out the freaking window anymore?!)

I'm also a looking forward to near-term updates for the radio software on the Sensation. O_o
[HTC Sensation] Shaquiel Harris:
Thanks guys for explaining.
[HTC Sensation] Knucklessg1:
Sorry for my misunderstanding but

Freevo is temp-root

and Free-dom is permaroot?
[HTC Sensation] kwaille:
Same here :)
[HTC Sensation] phonegod:
why you retards buy the phone knowing it have sense why not get a sgs2 instead of crying on every thread you cant wait to get rid of sense no disrespect its just annoying to here this when you know it had it thats like buying a car with a v6 then start Bi###ching about it like you didnt know it had a v6
[HTC Sensation] sniperkill:
The 3D is not unlocked. We only have temp root at this time. Temp root hardly constitutes an unlocked 3D.
[HTC Sensation] RestInPieces209:
I think you meant to say "once" the evo3d is unlocked...?
[HTC Sensation] Sleef:
I think he meant "once".
[HTC Sensation] ianken:
It's a crappy car AND a crappy plane! What a deal!
[HTC Sensation] Evil-Dragon:
I did mean "once"

Tiredness is a terrible play on typing ;)
[HTC Sensation] crackeyes:
I get segment failed when running fr3vo
[HTC Sensation] Zarboz:
Use the updated way of gettin fre3vo to work found on root of all EVO

sent from my EVO 3D
[HTC Sensation] crackeyes:
Link please and I'll give it a shot
[HTC Sensation] xtcislove:
Any updates on Fre3dom?
[HTC Sensation] NYCguy2020:
Almost 2 months since release and this phone is still locked down.I F#*$ing hate HTC for doing this to us :mad:.This is the longest i've gone with a stock unrooted phone,and it is no fun lol.Praying that TeamWin will save us from this misery very soon.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Hello guys, had a question about HTC and their promise to unlock this phone.

Im sure that when they do, they will somehow force us to void our warranty. Thats IF we go THEIR route. Once they release the unlock, would the devs here be able to take it, USE IT, and then allow us to unlock WITHOUT going through HTC? In other words, once its out, will we be able to tell htc to F-OFF over getting S-OFF?

BTW-Thanks to all those working so hard! I have little experience with programming and computer tech, yet I am sporting a rooted sensation 1.782Ghz over clocking as I type! Hell with the bloatware too...:-)

Matt
[HTC Sensation] crackeyes:
So tried the latest Fr3vo and it does infact work with the My Touch 4g Slide. After using it to get temp root, I am able to use SuperOneClick root method (gingerbreak) to get permaroot for it 9of course it is S-off

Thanks Teamwin
[HTC Sensation] artymarty:
I am almost certain that will be the case. You will probably have to go to the htcsense.com website, log in, tick all the 'yeah I accept I about to obliterate my warranty and probably kill a kitten' tick boxes, and then hit the GO button.

With the click of a mouse, the last gasp scream of a kitten, and a woosh sound as your warranty turns into toilet-paper, you will be free to do as you please.

... As long as that does not involve trying to claim a warranty replacement of your faulty power button in 8 months time...

:D

Warmly, Marty
[HTC Sensation] idavid_:
A kitten?? Bastards!! :mad:

Swyped from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] makokoko:
agrabren tweet:

The alpharevx guys have all the pieces to s-off the devices. I shared with them all the #fre3vo code and details. Now, they're ignoring me.

what the ...?:eek:
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
You sure these guys can be trusted then? I dunno, I think I will wait for someone here to come out with something. Bastards are as bastards do.

Matt
[HTC Sensation] azsl1326:
Sensation given S-Off by AlphaRev -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO4HkPHPJq4
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
old news...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1175711
[HTC Sensation] cmstlist:
Tweets:

AlphaRevX:

@agrabren @ferreiragsousa @tehozzeh @guitardoc64 @Techronico @jayralston AlphaRevX used NO #teamwin bits to achieve S-OFF on Pyramid.

Shinzul:

@alpharevx Nice work on achieving s-off on the pyramid! Please bear in mind @agrabren's opinions do not represent #teamwin as a whole.

AlphaRevX:

@Shinzul @agrabren We didn't think so, just setting the record straight. fre3vo is a nice root bit, and want it instead of our own temproot.

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So from what I gather... AlphaRevX had a temp root of their own and an S-OFF exploit, but I gather it was not elegant/reliable enough for a public release. They found Fr3vo to be a better temp root for their needs. I can't speak to the interpersonal dynamics between hackers but I'm glad this has gotten somewhere.
[HTC Sensation] azsl1326:
I didn't see the link posted in this forum.
[HTC Sensation] nardone24:
Sems like this Thread has hit a dead end!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[HTC Sensation] bruce2728:
This tread was locked, does that mean there some news on fre3dom? I thought it had been dropped
[HTC Sensation] NYCguy2020:
It's kinda depressing that there is not a beep about Fre3dom and/or any other efforts to unlock the bootloader.I just don't see devs collaborating,sharing info,discussing and updating us about their progress like i've seen on other devices.it seems like this was a one man effort(agrabren) and i'm not even sure he's still working on it.

Boy,i miss my EVO.
[HTC Sensation] frankinstine:
He quoted on Twitter that he has stopped working on fre3dom cause alpharevx has found a way to s-off the sensation