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[General Topics] XsceneXhippieX:
i disagree with the OP's point of view on the basis of my having not only the iphone 4, multiple android phones, an android tablet, an ipad (1st gen), and an hd7 readily available to experience in my current living space. i feel the problem in the logic used to come to your conclusion is you see fragmentation as a bad thing. yes android is fragmented and CAN be choppy and slow, yet the fragmentation offers amazing deals on at least partially capable phones for people like my friends that dont have MONEY spilling out of their asses to buy an hd7, iphone 4, atrix 4g, or any high end phone. on the lagging issue i HATE how windows phone 7 runs (i.e. smooth whilst showing off your tiles but like a piece of **** to navigate throughout the ui) and the only phone out that can keep up a CONSISTENT level of fluidity in user interface and graphics is the iphone 4, yet it lacks MAJORLY in capability in comparison to android (i.e. widgets, flash player, social integration, multitasking, 4g, etc. etc. etc.) I feel as if this thread should have never been made and im doing nothing but adding to a meaningless argument but here is the fact: Yes, android lacks hardware accelaration for the most part and yes that does hurt the "feel" of the OS, but NO that does NOT make android any worse than any other OS out there, everything falls back onto personal preference, and whether you want a phone that can DO MORE or you want one that can look identical to every other of its sort, give you ****ty "download flash player" messages, refuse customization, BUT it looks nice when you scroll back and forth! woooo! bottom line, hardware accel. is all win. phone 7/iOS has left to fight with and so you emphasized it to make android look worse unnecessarily when in reality every OS shouldnt be pitted against each other, to each his own, get the ui you like, and when ice cream comes and offers even more on top of what is already in place more people are going to choose android over idevices and windows anything, android is growing faster than any mobile OS, look up the legit statistics and you will see that people used to think like you, and are now telling themselves "hey, i want my phone to be able to do that too!" and making the switch to android..

im terribly sorry about my rant and any disrespect that might be taken from it, i didnt mean any disrespect to anybody in this and was expressing my own personal opinions and experience.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Wow, call me a fanboy if you will but with the blind zealots in this thread im glad im a fanboy for what some of you think is the wrong team.
[General Topics] majorpay:
For valuing functionality and flexibility over pizazz? Some of us are a little too techy to put up with anything less.
[General Topics] kekkle:
What if Google creates an graphics layer/API like DirectX/OpenGL and allows manufacturers to write their own drivers to communicatie with this layer/API and thus leading to hardware acceleration.

Of course, it won't be like coding on a gaming console. But it'll still be fast!
[General Topics] chewbz:
I dont care if gingerbread doesnt hardware acceleration. I remember when i bought the first gen Microsoft Zune, it had the worst UI I've ever seen in my life, but I disliked Apple so much i got it lol. I regret ever buying it and wish I bought an ipod instead. All in all, windows tile UI isn't my cup of tea, and until they make something that looks substantial to me, their OS is a no go.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
flexibility ill give you, I mean I used android for 2 years and I i loved it because I could make it whatever i wanted to. The downside is that i pretty much had to make it what i wanted to before it was even usable. As far as functionality goes while my wp7 may not have all the unnecessary features each and every thing it does do it does more fluidly and without all the excess work that android requires.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
that'd require putting forth effort that most of the android worshippers deem unnecessary because they choose to rose tint their experience. Why not acknowledge the issues? I see no reason for google to resolve them if their consumers choose to ignore them. Right I i think apple and Microsoft are more or less teaming up to cut google down to size and level the playing field a bit. Stupid move on apples part as there's no hardware selection there but I guess it's an enemy of my enemy scenario.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Total bull****. How many swipes does it take to turn wifi on, turn Bluetooth off, turn rotation off. That's excessive work.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
my phone doesn't have horrendous power management so i just leave what i need of those on.
[General Topics] Rominucka:
I'm a full blown out of the closet Samsung/Android Fag. Not only do i hate your Windows Phone with it's fruity confetti looking ui, i hate that guy's confining iPhone and this chick's bleak looking Motorola Droid X2.

Let's get down to brass tacks here. The windows phone market share is laughable and it's only going to get funnier. The iPhone is more of a well marketed status symbol for the easily amused.

I like the dirty aspect of Android. There's a renegade feel to it.

And this argument about lag and shutter is ret@rded. A slight stutter or hesitation here or there is of no concern to the general public. Android's pros far outweigh the cons and it is only getting better.

Yes the iPhone and the WP7 are silky smooth over most Androids but if that is what makes you device loyal then you are as superficial as the ones that deny the existence of Android's flaws.

My Samsung Droid Charge is AWESOME!!! It rapes the iphone in the a$$, pulls out and makes the WP7 taste it; all the while having the Evo3D rubbing its shoulders and the Atrix tickling its balls.

Sent from my Samsung Droid Charge: Stock EE4
[General Topics] vetvito:
Answer the question, don't dodge it with more BS.
[General Topics] kekkle:
On my HTC Desire? Lemme count for you :P

1. Click to wake

2. Slide to unlock

3. Draw lockpattern (Optional)

4. Pull down notification bar

5. Click on 'quick settings'

6. Click on disable WiFi

7. Click on disable Bluetooth

8. Click on disable rotation

7 steps in total. 8 If you count my lockpattern.

Or were you reffering to WP7? :D
[General Topics] vetvito:
I was referring to WP7 unproductive ways.

It takes me 4 steps on my vibrant.

1. Click to wake up

2. Slide to unlock

3. Pull down curtain

4. Push wifi, Bluetooth or whatever

If its not pinned to WP home screen you're ****ed swiping and swiping. Then suffer animation after cheesy animation.
[General Topics] Tone_:
You need help.
[General Topics] XsceneXhippieX:
Hows about cm7 on android? 1.tap unlock button, 2.slide to unlock OR end the process right HERE by drawing a custom set gesture, [optional from here on technically] 3. pulldown notification menu, 4. control ANY toggle the phone has to offer/access to music controls [end of the LONGER version, still better than iphone/wp7/webOS/MeeGo] thats the beauty of android, if you want it to and you set it up you can have it work any way you want, or you dont have to, you get that option with android and android alone

about the complaints about android taking longer to get set up, i LOVE that about android. because that is how the OS works i feel like how anybody's personal android phone looks is a literal virtual representation of themselves/their personality and that in itself makes thousands of people switch from other OS's to android every day. The fact that android DOES take LONGER to set up and get looking how you personally want it to i think gives android a huuuge upper hand in the market, especially considering the new generation of kids and how they see technology.
[General Topics] trurl3:
That's the point! I love it too...
[General Topics] watt9493:
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful. :-P

ADR6300
[General Topics] Funnnny:
Lol, this thread is still alive ?
[General Topics] majorpay:
Look, let's end it right here. You are a kid... You value having craptastic animations on your transitioning screens, and you like them pretty. You value Facebook messages flying around your screen, having XBL gamer scores on your phone, and tweetering dog crap to your friends. You're not looking for a bonafied, "let's get some chiz done phone" that you own both functionality-wise and display-wise.

Your phone suits you. It doesn't suit the rest of us.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
31 pages! Troll is successful!
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I value a phone that I spend more time using than preparing to use, simple as that. At my worst times I probably crack flashed 2-3 roms a day on my old hd2 just to keep it functioning at the same rate as others. The same could be said about pretty much every android device I owned. With wp7 I had a flawless UI with seamless office integration, great voice commands, something that did track my Xbox live because yes, I am a gamer,Netflix to keep me occupied at work, synchronization with social networks which while not too important does let me know what's going on with my friends, and Zune pass which is pretty much the best thing to ever hit the mp3 scene and I didn't have to download a single app to be able to do any of that. It was all fresh out of the box with the original pre-nodo version. With the new features added by mango I have absolutely nothing left to miss from android.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
5 swipes though I dont see how this is valid. "my phone does something yours doesn't need to in one less motion." yeah, that shows dominance. For those of you arguing market share, really? IOS has like 5 years and pretty much invented the modern smartphone, I wouldn't be shocked if they were selling android powered toasters now because they put it on everything, and wp7 is brand new and only has room to improve especially now that so many OEMs are getting blocked by patent laws from importing their android phones. Motorola is next.
[General Topics] PoXFreak:
Some tend to hang on to and beat-up on the mental fraility of others, while others tend to hang back and watch the carnage from afar... I like to think of myself as the second type...
[General Topics] xriderx66:
For people who actually want some WP7 vs Android action, go back to Page 1 and read till Page 5

where Z33 and Xaccers are putting it all out. Thats the whole thread, the rest is full of ****. I'm a Android fanboy and I disagree with half of what you retards are putting about Android on this thread.
[General Topics] majorpay:
1. Apple didn't invent the smartphone. Not even "kind of." They made it more appealing to your younger crowd. The business sector was using smartphones long before the iPhone hit the scene.

2. IOS has top market share? No, world dominance on smartphones places them in a distant third.

3. When counting dominance of smartphone OS, they don't count "Android powered toasters," much like they don't count iPad IOS vs Android Tab HC. Apple is clearly the winner between those two for the moment.
[General Topics] majorpay:
That was informative and offered great rebuttal. You should visit more often, as these threads would come to a halt a lot sooner. I knew we were missing something here: someone to point at pages and say "win."
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
1.as i stated they invented the modern smartphone, its almost like the difference between a rotary phone and a cordless. They made it more appealing, easier, and more convenient (I hated using the crappy stylus on my old 2003 device, all that I i got it just for the emulators)

2. No, they dont have top market share and they won't, they're not readily available in all countries, they dont have 400 different phones to choose from, and not all of their services are available everywhere. As far as a single phone goes though, they dominate.

3. Again, there really is no dominance of smartphone OS, what's readily available and in a lot of cases what looks most like an iPhone comes into play a lot. People dont seem to remember this but those of us who actually understand our phones beyond "i touch my screen and this game pops up" are a very small portion of the market. My statement regarding market share was simply to prove a point. People treat Microsoft as though it's doing bad when googles market share was all but non-existent until the Verizon droid was released about a year after android first hit the market.
[General Topics] Spekko:
+1 lol, i will take z33's hand for this thread xD
[General Topics] jmsource:
i think, few month later. many devices will be developed to support that.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
TW 4.0 on the SGS2 is about 95% HW accelerated but it still stutters when opening the inbox :/
[General Topics] muerteman:
I'd just like to add some comments on your trolling.you say on the lsat page oems are getting imports banned but not a single one has yet also widows mobile is the faster of the modern smartphone. I say a rectangular touchscreen with a block of icons before the release of the iphone.and finally they don't dominate as a single phone. The sgs outsold the iphone in japan.
[General Topics] jags_the1:
sgs outsold iphone in japan..dahh.. not rocket science ... iphone's main market is america... apple was never heavily successful anywhere out of america

and talk about sgs.. complete ripoff of iphone ... ppl are so blind that dont even agree on this..

This thread is full of utter crap.. with blind fanboys talking there guts out ..
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
It may have started out with mindless fanboyism but now it's devolved to mindless drivel that can't even be called English. This thread just keeps on kicking somehow though.
[General Topics] Funnnny:
complete ripoff ? So people buy iPhone just because of their appearance...poor little people
[General Topics] muerteman:
I agree, and its not like the iphone is a unique design. lg prada anyone?
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
No, they buy it because it's simple, its smooth, its uniform, the app store is huge, and its a brand name that is almost like a status symbol in modern times. Is that to say it's better than android? In some ways, yes. IOS will be able to do things android never will as will wp7 but to keep that capability they will have to sacrifice a lot of customization and modification option. I actually don't think that's a bad thing though, at least not with wp7, because the UI is so nice that i don't want to screw with it. I can't rightly say the same about ios though.
[General Topics] GryTEcHoG:
I think due to the openness of the Android led to the less Hardware Accelerated UI. And due to the Instruction sets which is supported by the CPU and GPU are not following some standards for all kinds of android(budget,performance etc.,) I think soon microsoft gonna bring something surprise to the competitors android and iphone sooooooon. Lets watch what microsoft thinking about the mobile os even though they are kings in desktop OS.
[General Topics] majorpay:
WP8 would be the killer IF they can port the full potential of the .NET framework, bring XBL developers to the scene with easy ports (or maybe even mainstream XB? That would be the pinacle), AND think along the lines that they have for Windows 8.

Part of this will only happen if their WP8 tablet proves successful.

If the WP8 tablet turns into a flop, then their focus will back at the drawing board, and likewise, their phone will continue to stagnate.

I'm an Android fan, but I would hope for those former two. That to me, would be the pinnacle of achievement in a phone.

And if they read these threads at all, make the XB360 controller communicate with it along with all the things I've mentioned, and you've got a customer for life.

edit: I should probably rephrase that - if they have a GPS system and voice command system that can compete with Google as well, THEN you've got a customer for life.
[General Topics] Wassilis7:
Think so to.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
well, according to Microsoft their goal after windows 8 is to form an is that works on all of their major devices, wp7, PC, tablets, and even 360. I sincerely doubt that the windows 8 tablet will be an issue, too many PC users who want easier access to all of their stuff rather than the ipads meager list of offerings. Its a reskinned desktop UI rather than a mobile is forced onto a tablet and that's I i think it will sell.
[General Topics] majorpay:
The performance and compatibility will be the factor that sinks or swims their portable device. Of course, that's still unproven. W8 tablets will have a huge advantage over iPad if pulled off properly, but that's the ultimate question. Android is too fractured at the moment to even enter into that discussion (although I love my modded Nook @ $200)

W8 will drive their innovation forward with their phone as well if they do it up proper. I'm curious to see what happens.

Of course, there's always that stigma with people who despise Microsoft as a company to see anything good in what they create, but a lot of that hatred will be focused towards Apple with their recent dictator-grabbing moves.
[General Topics] Moystard:
Concerning Android and hardware acceleration, you should watch this session of the Google IO where they talk about the future implementation of hardware acceleration within Ice Cream Sandwich (already done in Honeycomb): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9S5EO7CLjo
[General Topics] vetvito:
They forgot all about Ice cream sandwich. It'll do this year what Microsoft has been trying to do for the past decade plus.

Not to mention OSX Lion, which was just named the best consumer OS ever. Lion is the first step for one Apple OS on all screens.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
what will ice cream sandwich do that Microsoft has failed to for a decade? I'm really interested.
[General Topics] vetvito:
All screens one OS, windows has been trying to claim this for years.

Windows Phone : phone

Windows Media Center : TV

Windows desktop : self explanatory

Honestly they should kill Media Center, ****s awful and slow as hell. Slow on a Xbox, and slow on a quad core PC. Replace it with Zune.

The first two are flops. Windows mobile did overtake Palm back in the day, but its been down hill since 2007.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
We know almost nothing about ICS. No screens were released, no features announced. Only that it is meant to unify honeycomb and gingerbread. Everything else about it(including HW acceleration) is purely speculation. Honeycomb is hardware accelerated(so-so) because they used the Tegra 2 SoC as a reference platform to leverage that particular GPU. How do you unite the Tegra 2, Exynos, Snapdragons, Hummingbirds and everything else that is running Android now?

Romain Guy was in charge of the issue at hand http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914, a issue that has been deemed solved yet users are still dissatisfied.
[General Topics] vetvito:
We know nothing about ice cream sandwich?

http://m.gizmodo.com/5800358/what-is-androids-ice-cream-sandwich
[General Topics] aFo3262:
What it looks like(holographic UI is extremely vague, buttons? etc). Standardized update plans have not been formerly made..only a 18 month commitment. http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-clarifies-18-month-android-upgrade-program-details-far-f/

Getting off topic though. I personally am looking forward to ICS. Just that nothing has been officially said regarding HW acceleration here
[General Topics] vetvito:
There is HW acceleration. In apps and games. Where else do you want it? The UI? The iPhone still gets laggy with UI HW acceleration.

The Android OS wouldn't be useable without some form of hardware acceleration.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I think it's been made pretty clear that gpu acceleration is what were talking about when we say hardware acceleration. As for the earlier example, there's a difference between the same brand on all screens and the same OS on all screens which is what Microsoft hopes to accomplish.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Hopes compared to what the competition Will accomplish.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Actually, the support for all the graphics libraries will make it more easy for ui acceleration, but it's still up to the app creators to utilize it, and the manufacturers to create decent drivers for it.
[General Topics] metamasterplay:
They should just cut out software OpenGL and force people to use HW acceleration. As much as I know, the GUI Aero's success is mainly due to DirectX which forces people to use HW acceleation. OpenGL is too much flexible, and doesn't push hardware manufacturers to come up with a truly unified API.
[General Topics] NrootN:
Stop feeding the troll.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
after numerous pages of intelligent conversation your input is null and pointless, I hope this helped your post count because aside from that there is no reasoning behind this.
[General Topics] Mael5trom:
General blanket statements like, "wont be able to" or "will never be" or "android as an OS is just not up to par with the others" with little to back the claims up is just pure trolling, regardless of how you dress it up, with a dash of personal opinion thrown in.
[General Topics] newbie4ever:
Who cares how it stakes up against iphone...use what you want ... personally I'll stick with the android
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Mael5trom, the reasoning is there in clear letters. Do I need to bold it, underline in, and italicize it? Android is made so it can be put on pretty much anything. Unless everything starts using the exact same chipset then android will fall short in this department and it will remain up to the OEMs.
[General Topics] majorpay:
This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every mainstream PC worth a squat in market share does this. The creators of the chips manufacturer drivers to work with their hardware. Essentially what Android is on the crest of creating is a PC style framework on a phone device. The OEMs and chip manufacturers just need to get on board and start playing ball.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
that's easy when android is pulling the profits for Samsung. There's a lot of OEMs who aren't making what they need to to employ the necessary dev team and such. Its a pretty big playing field with a lot of players, some get crushed on the way.
[General Topics] Rominucka:
The gs2 is head and shoulders above all smartphones in combination of performance, sales and marketing. If marketed right here in America it will be a juggernaut and will hurt the iPhone but probably not surpass it. We'll see.

But back to the original argument, let me inject a dose of reality here. Sales. For the 12 people on the planet that own and love their WP7; be ready to put it away next to the Betamax and Laserdisc.

The Betamax was a better technology than VHS. No one bought it, it died. The WP7 might technically be better than Android but no one will buy it and it will die. That's it...end of discussion.

And as far as all these talks of "smooth" this that and the other thing...you guys are talking about things that only super geeks care about. The performance differences are negligible for the mass public.

Sent from my Samsung Droid Charge 4G-LTE
[General Topics] jsparakov:
As stated previously at least once in this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9S5EO7CLjo

Watch the entire video if you actually want your question answered. So, yes, you'll get your GPU love with a Android tablet or when The ICSandwich comes your way.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
I can't believe I'm using a response from one page back but..the same guy who gave this presentation(where ICS has not officially confirmed HW acceleration) was in charge of this

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914

listed as released. Yet comments still come in daily complaining about it. Top comment of that video

"Romain's attitude toward hardware acceleration has been frustrating for quite a long time. It really amazes me that a smooth, lag-free UI seems to be so﻿ low on the Android team's list of priorities."

Honeycomb only has to contend with a single SoC, Tegra2. WP7 is terribly limited, but seems to get positive feedback for being smooth. People are noticing.

Sent from my Nexus S