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[Atrix 4G General] ceo.mtcl:
"You can take a horse to water but you cannot make him drink", He'll work if he wants to, you cant force him.

He finds pleasure with other devices, let him work on them. He will gets appreciation and criticism both on other forums/devices as well. Not comparing kohlk to God, but still, people hate God as well, talk **** about him, and then there are people who worship him as creator of everything. I believe that Devs are Gods for our devices, they put life to our phones. Like it or not, you are gonna have criticism everywhere, in whatever you do.

I will appreciate his efforts as a dev. as long as he is associated with the Atrix community and for whatever he did for us in past (?). I really wish that after leaving Atrix, he doesn't talk trash about Atrix like DG did.
[Atrix 4G General] INSM Sin:
if he ends up giving up its funny cuz so many people donated on stuff he never completed. oh well. if he comes back, great. if not, oh well.
[Atrix 4G General] samcripp:
Kholk is not the only human been capable of doing OC kernels and custom roms. Edgan for example has gotten further on the kernel front than kholk would have ever dreamed about. kenneth has already a custom rom and is waiting for att official to release for him to do so as well. desingears got Cogatrix, and is waiting i guess to release it. CM7 is been worked on and a phone (with a working screen) has been donated, it should be on its way, or is already there.

Kholk is one guy, theres like 12 devs here, and more daily, people that impress us out of no where. just look at the head way been made with a chinese build, i think pretty much everything works now.

you guys need to stop sucking kholks d***.

1. he isnt by far the best dev in the atrix forums. theres people working day and night who earn that title much better.

2. he asked for donations, he asked for a phone, he promise, he did not deliver.

3. THIS THREAD NEEDS TO BE CLOSE, THIS IS AN INSULT TO EVERY DEV THATS HARD AT WORK, MAKING SURE YOUR 600$ PHONE IS AWESOME.
[Atrix 4G General] _Alex_:
People need to talk about this and finish getting it out of their systems. Thread will not be closed so that everyone can have their say. I'm thinking a day or two before this thread sinks into the bottom of general like everything else that is no longer of interest.

Hope this helps,

Alex
[Atrix 4G General] lurchbyrep:
I fail to see how the main flow of this thread is promoting the idea that kholk is the only Atrix dev worth a damn. Nor does it seem disrespectful toward Edgan, DG, etc. to be sorry to see someone go who knows quite a bit about deving. On the contrary, I cannot fathom why, other than for you and a few others to avoid feeling unjust, you and they insist upon burning your whole day defaming kholk. It all sounds pretty desperate and ungoverned to me.

Regarding donations, the issue should be put to death, as it has for so long been beaten to death. For the last time, what someone donates is completely the generosity and RESPONSIBILITY of the one who donates. The definition of the word is just unable to be confused with "payment for services rendered".

Regarding "promises", I am a living testimony against the accusation. I have followed kholk's work and words in the forum and IRC since the very beginning (got my Atrix on February 21 and threw myself into "the know" long before it was released). Guess what? I never broke my heart or sold my house for disappointment.

You have all the words of someone looking to protect the Atrix community without the appropriate reason to meet your end. Nor does your manner forward any high degree of altrusim to my mind.

p.s. Most importantly, I just always thought kholk was a nice guy. Please, at least take care how you talk about anyone such as that, dev or no. It would be better to err on the side of praise than slander.
[Atrix 4G General] bongd:
Its a shame if he really is gone but no one should have sympathy for anyone who gets butt hurt over the internet. I have zero respect for that cry baby now.

Nevertheless, people should appreciate what the devs do and try to not bite the hand that feeds them. I'd hate to wake up to see the other devs having a big temper tantrum too.
[Atrix 4G General] idan_mo:
well it's a sad thing to loose a developer no matter his rank.

most of the time we are blond to see the hours of work the developers here are doing.

it's a sad day.

a little more respect to all of the developers, thats's all they need. just saying.
[Atrix 4G General] Anthonok:
that's an old tweet

Sent via the power of a unicorn's horn.
[Atrix 4G General] t.s.eliot:
I just wanted to say thank you to the folks still working on the phone. I've enjoyed the fruits of your labors, and I've enjoyed my Atrix much more because of it.
[Atrix 4G General] Rayan:
Weird, first he loses his data, now this?

Pretty lame...
[Atrix 4G General] lurchbyrep:
Who asked for concern? My contention was your loss of all respect on account of what you call "crying over spilt milk". You need not concern yourself with an outreach toward kholk if you do not wish (it may very well be poor time management), but you needn't have gone so far in your expression as you did. Besides, the vehemence of the expression itself showed me rather a great deal more concern than you profess to possess.

But, at any rate, I've said what I will say in this thread, and I will now be done. I wish the best of luck to anyone leaving, anyone staying, anyone agreeing or disagreeing. In the end, it is just a phone, as has been said. I just hope we can all be sensible in the future not to tear other people apart on account of a palm-sized, fad-fading techno gadget.
[Atrix 4G General] bongd:
LOL calm down, Mr. Hypercritial. Psychoanalyze any harder and you might strain yourself.

Don't look into it any deeper than what it is. I think kholk is a being a whiney douche. No more, no less.
[Atrix 4G General] benem3000:
I hope this means all those impersonators will finally be gone too. The irc never gets any actual developing in it anyway. I can't develop at all so I am just testing for people and making cwm zips for the zipless. My advice to the idiots who were trolling... CONTRIBUTE! The trolling infuriated me and they weren't even directed at me. I can't imagine how mad it made kholk. I guess there will always be trolls and maybe kholk will be back when the steam blows over. Hopefully it was said in rage and once the rage subsides he will come back? Im actually not 100% sure ive seen the real kholk in irc 0.o Hard to tell really.
[Atrix 4G General] NguyenHuu:
i'm pretty sure he will not leave atrix. he may leave xda but if he loves the atrix phone he will still dev, but probably on another forum. a lot of devs who leaves xda, dont quit, they just start their own blog and post there or join another forum to post. in any case, you may still see work from kholk else where.
[Atrix 4G General] KefkaticFanatic:
Caelan is a known troll, just ignore his posts.

It's a shame that we did lose a dev though. Even if he never did finish the project he was working on, it was pretty clear he was working hard on it all. I can see it being frustrating to see a bunch of people acting like spoiled 12 year olds crying about not getting their updates, though after seeing many posts in this forum that seems like how the Atrix XDA community acts a good percentage of the time :\

I certainly hope that some of the other phone communities are somewhat better behaved, or that it's simply bad luck that there are suddenly a bunch of whiners around.
[Atrix 4G General] y2whisper:
Not the first Dev to be run out of here because of a small group of people feeling they can criticize things when they aren't producing anything either. again just ignorance. you don't know what hes done in the past? fine why not trust the words of the rest of the community, they wouldn't defend him if he had no rep.

as for caelanT he does that stuff ive learned to tune out his degrading messages and pay attention to the ones that bring value (yes he does bring value and good points at times)

overall people just like me are just feeling the frustration of seeing knowledgeable people leave because people that haven't received anything from them want to complain. no its not life or death, just frustrating.
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
I see everyone fighting saying he's done nothing and others saying hes done lots. Can someone post one thing that I can use thats a finished project that he did for the Atrix???
[Atrix 4G General] jimmer411:
Don't let the door hit you on the way out crybaby. Take your non working OC and kexec with you.
[Atrix 4G General] _Alex_:
I left this thread open so everyone can talk about Kholk. I didn't leave it open so that everyone can start flaming each other on their difference in opinions on Kholk :)

Let's keep it on topic by presenting valid arguments and discussions without getting personal with each other.

Thanks...
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
This sure isn't like our kaiser days is it Alex?
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
I last time I was on irc, they told me that some trolls log in as our dear kholk and spread misinformation. COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED? But if he did leave *mod edit* he really kholked me good.
[Atrix 4G General] _Alex_:
I was online when Kholk logged in and said this. It was the real kholk or his account got hacked. See the freenode nickserv information below. FYI, this is 'public' information, anyone can get this if they log into freenode and /msg nickserv info kholk.

NickServ: (notice) Information on kholk (account kholk):

NickServ: (notice) Registered : Nov 30 14:00:20 2009 (1 year, 30 weeks, 4 days, 13:12:07 ago)

NickServ: (notice) Last addr : ~kholk@unaffiliated/kholk

NickServ: (notice) Last seen : Jul 02 14:32:06 2011 (12 hours, 40 minutes, 21 seconds ago
[Atrix 4G General] samcripp:
He asked for money, he REQUESTED, and then promise to deliver. im sorry if you feel we cant judge him base on the fact that HE IS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! But the facts are there.
[Atrix 4G General] Saschwatch:
Not that big of a deal
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
On the bright side i have been trying to get TPC to join us on the atrix, still waiting to hear back.
[Atrix 4G General] lyon21:
I did not realize that he ASKED for donations and PROMISED things. I retract any defending I did for him. If I had known that, I never would have defended him. Especially since he criticised designgears for the same thing. Who is conveniently back right after the bootloader is unlocked. I also believe designgears owes anyone who donated to him to buy his atrix an apology. I just find it odd how everyone criticises kholk and welcomes designgears back with open arms. Also, no I don't know designgears or what he has done for other phones but that is bull****. We have devs here who have been here since the beginning and are awesome and hopefully stick around. People like ken, eval-, edgan, unknown, the2d, tenfar and others are greatly appreciated and have never asked for donations and they are the ones who truly deserve it. So, now that it has been made known what kholk has actually done, let him go. Like it has been said, this the internet and a forum with many people. He needs to stop being a douche! Get over it.

Sent from my unlocked, rooted, badass atrix running 2.3.4 made possible by many great devs!
[Atrix 4G General] shamdawg:
Peace out son!
[Atrix 4G General] bearsfan172:
The impersonations of kholk were done under other names such as kh0lk and kholk_. Not necessarily obvious, but you can be certain that the things he said that people are upset about were in fact the real kholk. And most of the nicks that higher profile people use are reserved in IRC anyways.
[Atrix 4G General] designgears:
IMHO...
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
Stole? really? Anyone who donated CHOSE to donate - nobody had a gun to your heads.... You made the choice to donate... get over it.
[Atrix 4G General] samcripp:
i did not donate to kholk, the guy did nothing, i only donate to devs that get results.
[Atrix 4G General] Mrniceguy0921:
wa wa wa wa wa everyone get over it, put your big boy pants on and climb out of your bean bag chair and just man the eff up. who gives a crap if he quit or not there are other dev. and so the world will turn.
[Atrix 4G General] ClearFire:
"Originally Posted by Pat123 View Post

"Kholks latest tweet says:"

"Goodbye LG Star. EternityProject Kernel for SGS2 & EternityProject Kernel for Motorola Olympus are coming...!"

Isn't Olympus = Atrix?"

Bro.... that tweet was just on 6/29/11, explain to me how this is an old tweet? :confused: He even posted it after Moto released the tools necessary to unlock the bootloader....
[Atrix 4G General] tan G:
I just wanna says kholk is a good guy, and also a good dev. Millions thanks, he's there when I had questions.

tan G is tangi ;)
[Atrix 4G General] sauronith:
Right, he posted it on 6/29, the day this thread was posted on is 7/2. The tweet is old because he posted it before things he said in IRC.
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
seriously funny how someone who couldn't accomplish anything for us can dare to talk like that. Failure ? i could understand that but trying to hide failure like that ? No way, we dont need you, moron.
[Atrix 4G General] Mafisometal:
Sorry, but what has Kholk accomplished on this forum? I don't see a god damn thing that he does on the Atrix forum that is fully functional besides his under developed mouth of his!

Sorry but i think it's the worst to promise something and not deliver, especially when he got PAID(donations) to do so...Sorry but i'm a game developer and i hear criticism all the time, i hear people say whatever their hearts content just to make you feel like dog s***. It's part of the game, i'm pretty sure in the tech world Steve Jobs is one of the most hated guys and still he keeps on rolling with the punches. If kholk couldn't handle it, thank god he's gone...i'd hate to see when the pressure is on for a fully functional project.

Kholk if you read this:

GROW UP and deal with the low blows! If you're fed up with people giving you crap on this forum, show us what you have and maybe you'll gain respect again! If not, sorry but STFU!
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
First I'd like for you to define what you think a troll is, as I only expressed my opinion like everyone else, which would thus make everyone here a troll. (Maybe you believe trolls are people who do express their own opinion).

Second, I would like you to link examples of my trolling!
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Would require us to link to 95% of your posts.
[Atrix 4G General] tjjensen23:
1,022 * .95 = 970 posts

i challenge you to link them
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Wow. Way to take my post way too seriously.

The Internet needs to get a sense of humor.
[Atrix 4G General] kholk:
Just to be clear about some things:

1. The offensive words are for the ones that are attacking me, not for the entire community.

2. I really appreciate that someone appreciates me and my work

3. I've read of someone saying that I've requested money: that never happened. I've never requested money for anything. Here or in other forums, or in other places.

4. I've also read of someone saying that I've stolen money. No, really, stolen money? Have I ever pointed a gun on someone's head telling him "gimme the money!"?

5. The "Donate" button: donations aren't mandatory as everyone knows. The ones that have donated to me for my work has done this because they wanted to support me in a possible way for them and (already done) thanks to all the donators.

6. About my work: You're using pieces of my work and you don't know you are. There are things that I can't say in public anyway. Please understand that I have to be mysterious because of major forces. I don't want to, but I have to.

I would say thanks to all the people that have ever trusted me. I'm not saying things like "I'm better than" or "I'm worst than". Simply as everyone out there I'm human.

And as a side note, I'm only angry for some people that flamed to me for unknown reasons, because they're telling you some reasons that aren't really true.

As for the fact that I'm not at home, I'm really not at home and my dear friend, t0dbld, knows that better than you all: if you aren't trusting me about that, ask him and he'll even tell you where I am, lol.

And...I don't mind about reputation: I'm only interested in my work, better if you like it.

My work is based on what I'm doing of my PDAs, everything the community has got from me are the things that I'm personally using on my device.

Great thanks to the ones that have ever supported me and that are still doing that. Really, thank you.

I'm not in a good period of my life anyway, but I don't think that's relevant.

Sincerely,

--kholk
[Atrix 4G General] PAulyhoffman:
Thanks Kholk, hope to hear from you soon.
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
kholk, I do hope to see you back here soon. Thanks for all you've done thus far!
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Thanks for chiming in Kholk. let the haters drink their haterade.
[Atrix 4G General] kenyloveg:
LOL

That makes something more complicated, you know what part of your announcement interest us......

Well, we'll see how you surprise the community as you used to.

Back the time before MAGLDR comes to LEO......

Don't waste your time on lamers, we'll see when it comes.
[Atrix 4G General] xblike:
Partly agreed，i think you are not a bad guy.actually no one pointed a gun on someone's head telling him "gimme the money",everyone who donated money just by himself,isn't it? ....but once you promise something，you have to face some pressure.......man up kholk, i trust what you said and appreciate you work
[Atrix 4G General] Exedrinpm:
Vindication!

I hate to say I told you so but I ****en told you so. I told you the bootloader would only be unlocked through a leak or Motorola themselves both of which happend. I was the first to tell you guys to stop sending Kohlk money because he will never crack this level of encryption and I was attacked. Kohlk did name his project Eternity though which is ironic considering he could of worked on it for an eternity with nothing to show for it, but he still collected donations making him a chump.

Now what you're seeing is these developers like DG and Kohlk crawl back because they know there are alot of Atrix owners and few developers. The perfect situation for them. So stop kissing these guys asses they need you more than you need them. Use your ****en heads show some dignity stop kissing developer ass and quit being so damn naive. That's it I'm done with this place go **** yourselves.
[Atrix 4G General] NoNameAtAll:
People made their decisions. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Assuming you're not another exador alt.
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
DG and Kholk will be back because they do want donations. I dont care what anyone says. The only dev's that dont want donations are the ones that dont except them, period!

Not that I care, if they do good work they deserve them. DG has done good work, Kholk has worked hard?, not sure what on but Im using his work according to him. But he cant say because of bigger forces?
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
You're a little bit mad, aren't you? Kholk never worked on cracking the bootloader, you numskull. He worked on bypassing it, which he did. He just never had the kernel developed.

THis isn't the first time I said it, but Kholk and DG haven't crawled back. They didn't come and say "Oh, hay gais, we came back for more donationzz." DG even offered to give donations back to us. Now does that sound like crawling back to you?

These devs don't do this for a living. They do it for their enjoyment, and to help the community. It kind of ruins the enjoyment and community when pricks like you show up.

Donations help developers. No one is forcing you to give them enough money to buy a coffee or a beer. You give donations to support them, and show them how much their work really means to you.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
Was that even the real kholk.... Come on....
[Atrix 4G General] xblike:
agree with you,devs do this for a living?Are that guy sure the donation is enough for living?obviously not,they do this for fun....That guy is a little bit mad....anyway,as i said before,this is internet,no one has the same opinion in one thing...never be affected by the negative words
[Atrix 4G General] kholk:
That implies -> "I'm customizing my phone for me, not for the community and I'm sharing my work done for myself with the community so you all are able to use it if you want."
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
So the huge dontation button is so people can support work thats for your phone? You say you share your work with us, but where is it? Link me to something you have worked on that I have installed on my Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Um, he has other projects for other devices that other people use.

The donate button is there if you appreciate his work. Its not a buy now button.
[Atrix 4G General] lemortede:
Wow,

This forum is full of ungrateful little trolls.

I would bet that most of the people complaining about donations haven't donate a cent.

I keep wondering why now that we have a unlocked boot loader its taking so long to see any cool ROMS....then I see crap this like. If I had ROM skills I would not want to waste them here in a forum full of self righteous ignorant two year olds who whine every time they don't get their way. I don't think that the Atrix is an easy port. We have addons that other phones don't have.

Kholk, I appreciate your efforts if for no other reason than it continually gave me hope that the Atrix could be more than it was.

To the whiners, either do it your self, contribute to the effort or STFU.
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
Thats not my point, I just want to see what he has so graciously worked on for us. I have nothing against him, I just want to know what so many people have donated for so I can go download it and install this wonderful work he has done for our phones.
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
Nice of you to make assumptions. What do you think about developers that were vocal about kholk? What do you think about people who whine on forums about what people say? :eek: If you don't think the Atrix is an easy port, why are you wondering why it's taking so long to see any cool ROMs?