[Atrix 4G General] GabrialDestruir:
This thread actually disgusts me. Not so much because a dev got ticked because of the bull****, or whether or not he might of actually done work for the phone.

But it's because of all the people that are sitting here *****ing because donations were made, but work was never shown. I also see from his signature he owns several devices which to me means his sole priority is not going to be the Atrix. But I'm still not seeing the spot in his signature that says "If you donate to me, I'm going to immediately release what I'm working on and you'll be the first to have it cause you donated..."

Then there's the people *****ing cause he uses the excuse "I'm not at home" so here's my question, what honestly gives you the right to say he's not at home or not?

I mean I'm on vacation myself away from my computers for development and while it wouldn't take more then an hour or two to set up my laptop for it, the truth of the matter is. I don't really want to, if I'm away from the house people can wait even if I have a fix to a solution that can be implemented in a few minutes.

kholk made promises, but from what I've been reading in this thread he never once said when he would release anything, yet I also see a couple threads where he has, like releasing kexec, it's not his fault he didn't get to and no one else got to building a kernel that'd work with it. Hell even now with tutorials on how to make custom kernels none are popping up.

The fact of it is, there's a lot of bull**** surrounding this all. I can fully understand why kholk would be pissed. To him I say, take a step back work on your stuff, people get pissy as **** when you say you've got something but refuse to release it because you don't believe it's polished enough, but personally when I'd rather see full results then something half assed because a dev felt pressured into a release. Yea you may of promised to release something but unless there was set dates people need to back off it's as simple as that.

For all the people who feel righteous enough to ***** and complain about someone elses work, let's ask a few questions and see what you're answers them are, shall we?

Are you a developer?

No: Then you have no clue what it takes to do whatever it is any other dev is trying to do.

Yes: You really have no say, you can either sit back and wait for whichever dev to release their work or you can do it yourself.

Did you donate?

No: Then you have no reason to complain about people donating to a dev, regardless of results.

Yes: Did someone promise you immediate release of, or access to a project?

No: Then did someone force you to donate?

No: Then you have no real place to ***** and complain.

Yes: You have bigger issues than where your money went.

Yes: Did they follow through?

No: Then you can ***** and complain about donating.

Yes: Well you got what was promised, don't ***** if it's not what is expected. But perhaps you can provide feedback and make it better.

Let's face it, the above questions don't apply to just kholk and this thread. But frankly they apply to every person and dev on XDA, in IRC, or frankly anywhere online.

If you're a dev you have no real right to ***** and complain. If you feel someone else is promising too much then you've got a few choices, you can either help them out when they need it, point out they might of overstepped what they can currently do POLITELY and CIVILLY, do it yourself so regardless the community gets the efforts of all devs that can provide to it, or shut the **** up.

Donation giving people, you do understand what the word donate means, right? Well let's go over it just in case, "Give (money or goods) for a good cause, for example to a charity", in this case the good cause would be the development for the community. If you donate to a dev there might be a sense of obligation for the dev but frankly it's like donating to cure aids or cancer, there's going to be a lot of work before results are ever seen. If you don't like the idea that your money might never show results, then don't donate, or only donate after you see results to your liking.

There's a lot of trolls in this thread, there's a lot of supporters, but over all it's just a disgusting thread and I personally think people need to let it die off. Let it sink to the bottom of the General section and be done with it.