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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] :
+1 true that...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
yeah, the OP reminds me the J ;)

anyone else to show up the internals?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scoobysnacks:
whatever I don't even care anymore....

You guys can play "who has the biggest d**k", but leave the friendly people here simply trying to make the most out of their phone out of it
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Neo.:
I can definitely say something, As long as there are successful people. there are loosers following them. (in every field)

Just ignore him mate. it's one person vs entire community.

It's just it feels childish. If you are the developer, Congratulations. I appreciate everything you've done.

I hope you understand how difficult everyone has been working since an year and It's kinda funny that one person just comes out of air and we don't get the update :P (laser)

Anyways, Thanks for your work! :) Release it when you feel you are ready :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
????

I've read the whole thread and wasn't confused even a little bit until I reached the reply above :/
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scoobysnacks:
he's saying "oh I have it but i don't want to release it because the_laser promised it"

it's just a huge pissing contest, what is so hard to understand in what I wrote?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
to save your nerves please avoid reading threads like this. You have a lot of "new kernels" threads )

This thread is a fight, measuting dicks between me (developer with 18 years ecxperience) and lamer laZer, who jumped out of nowhere shouting to everyone he will crack me and give free.

So go safe to other threads my friend. Save your time.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scoobysnacks:
You don't understand maxrfon.... we are waiting for gb right now, and have faced many hardships with this phone, so this is just the epitome of a kick in the teeth..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
From what I understand, the main reason he isn't released it is because it is too difficult for inexperienced users to do, and I might be wrong but I think he is trying to figure out a way to make it easier to do.

I know he has mentioned so many times how it was him and not the_laser, but looking at it from his point of view, he did something huge, and someone else tried taking the credit.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Neo.:
@max:

Everyone knows that YOU(max) cracked it and you are the legit owner.

So even if you release it (or even not) You will be the owner.:D

If you wait, you are just letting the egos (of the_laser) to get to your head mate :)

I'm not asking you to release something if you don't want to but I'm just saying that waiting for the_laser to release something(which he wont) won't make any noticeable effect.

Also i thought the_laser said he will release sim-lock but not bootloader.(so why stop bootloader release?) :S

Thanks for your work!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
Everything's gonna be OK. as soon as this twat excuses himself before me you all get the bootloader.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kindred7:
Well in the mean time folks that 3.60 kernel is snappy and green lantern was crap
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
Talking simple: with the unlocked bootloader, if you write a part of any google search results into the SE simlock - it's unlocked. IF i release it like that i loose my hard work/money.

There is no way i can(fast) disable security and leave the simlock/imei option closed.

Now i think the things are clear?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
Well we all know that's not going to happen
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Mayazcherquoi:
And if he doesn't..? A community waiting and has faced hardships for a year won't get the boot-loader unlock just because of one person?

Not in the spirit of FOSS at all...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
Donations would make for that. I believe you would receive more money from donations if you did a free release.

Maybe you could select some people to try it free
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scattaman:
sigh... thousands of people waiting for this and it all hinges on something we know will never happen...

Move along folks... nothing to see here.... wanna know why this thing is a waste of time?...

How many Devs have posted on this page since today?

They have seen through this charade... we should wise up and do the same
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
+1
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] infemost:
TripNRaver 2.0
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] aZuZu:
Won't quote pm's between me and max... but i will just say if person L with person X took "something" to person M.

And that same person did promisse to community give "something" in two days which have passed like week ago... one week more won't do any difference!

M, did you tell to L & X where to find algos on "something".

Btw M no need to rush :D

Btw does L know that signs are in pkcs? format ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Bwyan Benton:
Im starting to really believe that. This has become a huge pissing contest. Ive been following this **** all day. Its going nowhere.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Neo.:
Yep. totally!

I understand your point :)

But still there are always people who try to take credit for others work.

If you take xda x10 section as an example. There were lot of discrepancies but developers never took it for granted. And that's what I like the most.The spirit of developers who release their work for the interest of the public.

There's always gonna be laser 2.0 mate. Just ignore and do what you do best. I'm pretty sure you've made a point and we all realized that you are the dev who made unlock possible.

I'm going to donate whatsoever once this is out :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
???????????
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rtblittlebrown:
Money here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=941775
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Adolf1994:
wow, is this the new chat function of xda people are talking about?

oh well, I'm just dropping by to see what a mess got here. :p

@infemost

that fella is crazy for sure. Have you seen what people are talking about in his threads? Flooded whit bull**** noobish replies.

At least trip made some real progress not like laser who (according to maxfron) just stole stuff and released it.

@maxfron

dude... we WANT YOU... I mean, we WANT IT.

But seriously, it could be a lot fun to surf on the bull****-waves :D

So after that little biatch humiliated himself, will you release something

for real?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
My theory: I believe max is close to opening the bootloader, just not quite there, I think he told the_laser he had already unlocked the bootloader. Laser then posted it on here so I believe max has had to go along and say it is unlocked. Maybe you are close and maybe you will open it soon which is probably why you are buying yourself some time.

From what I've read in this thread, it seems like my theory is true
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Bwyan Benton:
Interesting...hmmm
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] redincali:
Well either way I think we all would like to have it sooner than later, but release it when your ready. I'll donate a minimum $25, I just want it unlocked. Could care less about unlocking the sim. I own the phone, why would I want to put a different sim card in it? Only people that I see benefiting from sim unlock are the ones who buy it used. Also people that sell theirs, which is usually because its limitations brought on by the locked bootloader.

If its the only way, then ill pay for the sim unlock service, from you when its ready, just to get its bootloader unlocked.

- X10a ~ via XDA App
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] nightspirit:
CuBz90:

you forgot one thing - simlock signature is checked by bootloader, so if it is possible to unlock without use of SE signature server (like setool), then BL must be unlocked/modified

so i believe it's true
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scattaman:
And what are you gonna do with it after you give him your money and unlocked your bootloader? unless you're a dev and can then unlock 16m colours, FPS and load new OS then having an unlocked bootloader is the same as having a cashed in lottery ticket... it means nothing... and is worth ****..

He need to be talkng to devs... and the fact that all the devs have avoided this thread like the plague in the past 24 hours, tells you a lot.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CuBz90:
Fair Point.

But reading through all of his posts, there is 1 of 2 situations, the theory I just posted or he is just really pissed and slightly ott and wants the_laser to get on his knees and apologise before he releases it
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wali01x:
hmm interesting thread here. as everyone says you gotta see it to believe it. we'll wait for that otherwise its another flame war. & yeah like 1 of the users above said move on b/c if its useful for devs to be able to release roms & stuff not for users. but yeah if released ill donate for the work done.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
guys please read careful, i wrote the reason clean and pure.

I don't need the_lazer's knees, he is ALREADY on them.

I just need to set a system to unlock bootloader without letting people unlock the simlock. Isn't this clear enough?

Unlocking bootloader = unlocking the whole SE security, which i am not intend to do. I need to protect IMEI&Simlock signatures. When i have time and wish i will sit and make it.

And the reason all devs avoiding this thread is - none of them is of the level to speak about it - easy.

Why? - Because last time the SE phones were cracked like 10 years ago, by me and next by zulea. Since that it was HACKED, i mean it - Hacked. That means the certificates were stolen from an SE developer (actually sold by the one)... So se was CRACKED only two times, 10 years ago and NOW. So tell me who's gonna competit with me? Argue or make debates? None. Simple and easy. SO Relax, take a beer & corn and watch the "movie"
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wali01x:
well since you're already getting a donation whether if u let the phone unlock sim signature why worry? just charge the amount u wish & just get it over with.

and imei can only change if you as a user modify the signature from modding point so how would that happen?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rtblittlebrown:
sounds good and makes sense

Thread should be closed untill then so any further conflict can be avoided
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] redincali:
What's with the hostility? My statement had nothing negative in it. I've never claimed to be a dev but that doesn't mean I don't know anything or couldn't accomplish something beneficial. I have been programming in windows for over 16 years and have been learning the linux system for about 3 years now, and am actually working on 2 apps (got frustrated with one so its on pause until I come up with a solution). Maybe I could cook a good rom, maybe I couldn't. Won't know unless I try :)

I don't post much on here so please don't try to misconstrue what I say and treat me like I'm trolling. That starts unnecessary arguments.

Thanks :D

- X10a ~ via XDA App
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] newalopez:
+1
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tremeree:
Lame...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] highaltitude:
How is that link proof? I can put up a website too and state anything I want. LOL anyone actually buy this service or tool or whatever and unlock their bootloader yet? (besides the guys claiming it works?) Im not totally doubting, just want to see some reall results from other people.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] riginal:
not at all

seriously after all the crap that's been happening here, j anderson is somehow missed

this feels more like that banned spoiled child who shall remain nameless
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] pheel:
:'D

Ahh, that makes tonnes more sense. No wonder why the_laser keeps ignoring me when I repeatedly ask for more info about this "bug" via pm and in this post... That makes tonnes more sense, that he doesn't know jack ****. I thought he was some form of J.Anderson :P I mean like, when Z bypassed the bootloader, he told everyone it was using kexec...

Sigh ... Sony Ericsson needs to review its policy. I brought a phone from them, and I am entitled to edit, modify and change it however I like..

Yes I can develop apps, and cook cfw's but cooking real roms is not possible.

@Max, how did you bypass it ? Resign it with your own cert ? :O More info please :'D

BTW why protect simlock signatures ? Don't some people want thier phone unlocked ? Is the signatures in simlock.ta like in the arc ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scoobysnacks:
that is only a sim unlock website, it has nothing to do with bootloader unlock
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kantk20111:
this is getting confusing and cluttered....
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
When you simunlock your X10 yourself, you will understand it has a lot to do with the bootloader unlock, so don't try to be the next who will look silly :) there are enough in queue already :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] beanoguy:
Scat, simply put stop temper tantrumming just because you can't get something you want right at this moment.

I'm just an end user who's excited about this news, just as much as anyone else who frequents this site or is following this thread.

There must be reasons why it's not already available (which has already been explained to a degree). The situation probably isn't as black and white as we'd all like.

that is all, nothing to see, move along.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] abrarabbu:
@maxrfon

I did PM you... please see.

I know that you dont want laser to use your unlocking technique to sim unlock phones and take credit.

OK all agree with you... but you can support your statements by taking pics and video of your phone.

@aZuZ

you made a signature that you have an gingerbread official in your phone,. so, why dont you share all the details(camera, cam) so that devs can use and make full 2.3 roms.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scoobysnacks:
You don't get it at all...

I never said they have nothing to do with one another, but that the site allows you to pay to sim unlock not bootloader unlock.

You're the one making yourself look silly.

Don't jump to conclusions
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] abrarabbu:
When you are unlocking sim, it means you are breaching security of SE (as donne by jit)

breaching SE security means you almost done your unlocking your phone( few extra efforts)

So, dont blame people here.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wali01x:
this seems another "leaked thai gingerbread" . we'll see in few days with proof should anything arise. till then not gonna say anything.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wali01x:
+1 .......
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] anders260:
Max, some pics and videos?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
Yes, x10unlocked.com

if you ask about the botloader unlocking - please go to the queue of silly questions answers..

if you want to avoid the queue please read the topic's messages carefull.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
I was hoping to have some fun talking to the OP, but except bla-bla-bla he could not say anything. So i am outta here.

End of story.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
Just to remind ppl here about the whole story - a bug! where? only the_lazer knows!, and yes, it's been far from the first statement (2 days) to be released, now it was extended to "a week".. let see:

Bye :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] -PiLoT-:
Ive closed thread because it turned into a *****ing contest

Just make you all aware xda is about the community so if people hold thing to a monetary ransom, itll get ugly

our policies are share and if uoi have a commerical application or tool it has to be available to the members of xda for free, this is only fair if you want to use xda to advertise
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] OmegaRED^:
Awesome news.

I bet SE is freaking out.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ImS0Raw:
Guys don't come up with J. Anderson, he doesn't sound like him!!

Beside that, the news seems very interesting, who knows!!! Lets hope for the best!!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] qwer23:
He definitely doesn't sound like him. the_laser is a well-known dev especially for Sony Ericsson devices, so he's 100% legit.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] OmegaRED^:
Actually now that they are aware of it.. GB would be the place to patch it.

Unless they were planning to unlock it anyway.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] qwer23:
First, they still have no clue what to fix. There's nothing released by the_laser and maxrfon by now. After they release the exploit, I wouldn't install any official update at all, that's right ^^

Second, It seems to be an exploit in, let me quote, "qualcomm mcu bootrom RSA signature verification". I don't really know if this can be fixed by SE or if they have to wait for a Qualcomm fix.

Third, that's great news not only for us but for EVERY locked device with same qualcomm MCU :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] zdzihu:
A while ago, SE Dev spokesman stated that X10 bootloader won't be unlocked due to legal and technical reasons.

When asked about the exact technical reasons, he said it would be too risky to update the bootloader on the device and they will _never_ do it.

Let's see if they keep their word now :)

Cheers,

z
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] qwer23:
Z,

Do you already have plans what you'll do for our X10s with an unlocked bootloader?

I just thought about a Android 4.0/Ubuntu/iOS/Win8 quadruple boot :D *kiddin'*

But seriously, can we expect something soon when this big thing is released? I don't wanna stress though, I'm just curious.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] realunited123:
Edit. Sorry :(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Ferrum Master:
Someone must tell that it was done by Raskal, then Zulea would come in and throw it for free in the market :D. :D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] sahhar1993:
hey guys can this help to unlock sim for free :rolleyes::rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] qwer23:
Yes.

10chars
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] sahhar1993:
woooooow amazing when it will release please:confused:

so i will not sell my x10:D:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] thehackersz:
Woo Woo Woo... please keep it low profile till SE released official update for 2.3.3 xD.

SE might get it patched!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] qwer23:
I bet SE already knows about it. But just don't install any updates, and you're safe :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] sahhar1993:
But there is nothing to substantiate my story so that the owners of a picture or video
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tadhara:
My warranty is already over, a year passed and at my country I got only 1 year for it, so... Ofc that doesnt mean that I want a "paper-ballast" by bricking it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] :
that security hole can't be patched by semc.

it can only be patched by qualcomm, when they will release new chipset batch.

once again, thats great finding by maxrfon.

solution require rooted phone, semc can release unrootable firmware, yes, but who said we can't downgrade.

about risk of damage bootloader... yes, if someone will remove battery during bootloader update, phone became bricked , but it can be fixed, however one need to build testpoint matrix with rx/tx/gnd because bootrom using uart.

btw, that is another way to use that bug, even if semc somehow provide way to prohibit firmware downgrade (which they will not do) ;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] monteiro-ribas:
laser, thanks for the news:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Neo.:
Excellent news!! CANT WAIT!! to get our hands dirty :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] superleeds27:
i think you will be able to unlock x10 "very easy" with 0$ in next 1-2 days.

maybe faster.

;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] atanu89:
If you guys are saying (from what I understand) that the bootloader is about to be unlocked... then I love you all
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] moritd:
Wonderful news i hope they can do it faster;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] dogwoofer:
would it be possible to run WP7 with this exploit?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] qwer23:
In a limited way perhaps. I doubt there are compatible drivers for all the SE specific hardware, as for example camera.

Sent from my rooted X10i using awesome custom roms
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] qwer23:
Does that mean it can't be fixed at all for all current devices? No risk in installing any official firmware? That would be awesome!

Sent from my rooted X10i using awesome custom roms
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] sxrmafia:
i wonder if this is why SE decided to offer bootloader unlocking for 2011 as they knew this would happen sooner or later
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] OmegaRED^:
Where was this offered?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] baz@gmx.co.uk:
@the_laser (& maxrfon), i have little idea what it all technically means (qualcom etc...), but i do understand the rest and it sounds AWSOME :D

Thanks guys, you make my mistake a lucky one ;)

@Z, i too can't wait to see your work unchained dude :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] baz@gmx.co.uk:
@ omega, the new xperia phones i think sxrmafia means.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] lhphong:
I've been like checking this thread like once per minute :p

Thanks for the good news :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chiefy009:
Woohooo I am not going to pretend I have any idea what any of it means, but what i do know is i like it

1 year left on my contract, and from what i can make out this means i will have more roms to flash and play with

Thanks to all the devs :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] OmegaRED^:
Ahh.. ok that makes sense.

I cannot wait to see this in action. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maddes1402:
Does anyone know if this is the regular behaviour of the manufacturers not to use a newer bootloader when they upgrade their phones?

The chance to brick a phone during the update progress is very very small. Before an update it is extraordinary suggested that the user isn´t allowed to interrupt the connection in any way. And the chance of an irregular interruption in these less seconds while the bootloader is updated is very small.

Sony Ericcson is strange. For example I didn´t understand why they don´t use the newest Gingerbread Kernel for the Arc and Play?

What about the other manufacturers? The HTC Sensation got an update which unlocked the bootloader. Why is it possible for HTC and not for SE?

Sorry, when this is too offtopic. But often it sounds that SE just needs a petty excuse :(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] moritd:
seams SE Brazil confirm that we`ll get open bootloader and 16m colour also just think about

posted full on gb news post
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tryantar:
for those who are having problems understanding the quallcom part of the story

our phones are basically made up of two different components some form quallcomm some from SE so if im right this means that the exploit is on the quallcomm side of our phone which eg our processor and stuff. and SE cannot touch it through regular updates. AM I RIGHT?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tryantar:
wait whaa? just what part of that quote says 16m colours and an unclocked bootloader???
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] moritd:
SE said they cant give us (16m clour and ...)cuz of Hardware limits but see that post carefully;

will operate even more efficiently your hardware.

and we knew the bootloader limits our hardware so they`ve opened it

it`s my opinion maybe it`s not true but worth to post!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] OmegaRED^:
SE likes to make up stories, everything they say is some form of Watered down BS.

They say thing cuz stupid people will believe them.

They count on that ignorance.

Screw SE. i hope they suffer for what they have done to their customers.

They have hurt me and one good shove deserves another.

This exploit is a glimmer of light in the darkness of x10 development.

Well see if they can actually do the right thing in the GB update.

But i'll stick to XDA sources for now.