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[General Topics] z33dev33l:
performance I completely disagree with. I am thoroughly unimpressed with the gs2 though it's head and shoulders above any other android device without a doubt. betamax didn't have the backing and it was way overpriced as was laserdisc, they were often only bought by schools because most of us didn't have that kind of funds. 200 dollars or less for a phone? Anyone can afford that. Your comparisons hold no water as the items are not comparable in any sense aside from wp7 being better technology. So, your end-all makes no sense.
[General Topics] Rominucka:
It wasn't a direct comparison for the reasons why beta and laserdisc disappeared. All I'm saying is that you're crazy to think that the majority of people care that much about smoothness and whatnot that the WP7 will sway people away from Android or iOS. And with that...the "better" technology (WP7) will join the ranks of other "better" technologies (Betamax, Laserdisc).

It has nothing to do with price. The only thing that could save the WP7 is a genius marketing campaign, and I don't see that happening.

Do you really believe, in your heart of hearts, with companies like Samsung phasing out the production of Windows Phones, that they have a successful future?

Listen, I know what's it's like to back a lame horse. I used to think that HDCD encoding was incredible and no one gave a **** and it went away. I wish and hoped and prayed that CDs were gonna start being made with it...but no.

And that also happens to be another thing that Microsoft failed with.

Sent from my Samsung Droid Charge 4G-LTE
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
the marketing is admittedly wp7s downfall. That is one thing that has hindered us thus far and hopefully Microsoft is ready to fire off the marketing team in favor of some people who aren't 70. What makes you think Samsung is phasing out of wp7, if apple gets its way which unfortunately it often does wp7 will be their only valid option because no one is devving for badaos. As far as what people care for, no one does social network integration, Microsoft office integration, gaming with achievements, or a number of other things half as well as wp7, those are things that people undoubtedly care about.
[General Topics] vetvito:
IOS does all of that, except native office. And does it 1000 times better. Want to try some real gaming with achievements and a community, and live action, try IOS.

It isn't just marketing. Bada is doing amazingly well. Which came out on only 1 device, and sold millions more than WP7.

Blame the niche market OS that WP7 is.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
ios does not begin to approach wp7 in terms of social networking integration. BadaOS is still something I've yet to see in the wild and in Austin I see many breeds of smartphone. I don't see how it could have sold at all, the is itself looks pretty horrid and there's no developer community. I do envy iOSes games though. Aside from ilomilo no xbl original for wp7 has just wowed me. I think with the release of mango upon us well be seeing some new nice games that just weren't possible before. I do hope they don't focus too much on kinect related crap though.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Dude twitter is integrated in IOS. IOS FB app is the best on any mobile OS.

Android has the best integration period. No way around that. Any app or social network can integrate!

Check bada sales, it out numbers WP7. With only Samsung backing it.

Funny story, only people with WP7 devices know people with WP7 devices. The few that actually sold.

New games not possible before? Every smash hit game on WP7 will come from another mobile OS. Meaning its old.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Twitter is integrated in wp7 too, I just made an account on that terrible site just to check out the integration. I didn't even need to dl a Facebook app to have Facebook chat, constant updates on anything I need to know about whoever, and a straightforward ability to post anything I want. Its all built into the seamless OS and done so better than anyone else. Android is not even comparable in this aspect, just like in everything else it does it does everything, just not that well. Hell, i started up a galaxys2 today for the second time and got a force close on the phone app after a 10 minute call and had to restart the phone so it could make calls.

As far as wp7 games go ilomilo is the best cellphone game ever, there's a few of ios's sloppy seconds I wouldn't mind picking up and tossing on a screen big enough for my hands, and Microsoft can hire and fire anyone and everyone they want, they can afford devs and with the recent rumors of a torchlight port for wp7 I'm happy. The only thing we really lack in gaming now is some good ol' rpgs.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
Its not the HW accel that matters much its the micro suttering that goes around when using andriod phones thats not on iOS or WP7 that annoys a lot of ppl, including me.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Your point is?

Who cares if you had to download it or not? The **** is still integrated on other OSs. And does the exact same thing.

I didn't notice all the droves of people buying WP7 for integration or for anything else. Hows that custom ringtone thing going? MMS video? Bluetooth file transfer? Is office even comparable to docs to go? Wallpaper? Custom notifications? USB mode? Real RDP? Still have to tap the screen for navigation? Video chat? 1080p? Organization of that long ass app list? Tethering? Cross platform gaming? Why can't I put a memory card in it if the phone clearly has a slot for it? Download a song using IE? Extract a zip? Download a album that's not on Zune? Update my phone without a computer? Change from Bing to anything else? Full screen the keyboard in landscape mode? Get rid of the bar in IE?

I can go on all night.

You're trying to having a pissing contest because no one wants your phone. Case and point your silly comment about a game, "ilomilo is the best cellphone game ever". Why is it the best? Is that a fact or your silly opinion.

You must be a Microsoft employee to not see the obvious. ****s a fail.
[General Topics] xaccers:
^Best post ever :D
[General Topics] mrrick:
Str8 Pwned..
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
custom ringtones, cross platform gaming, and a few others there are doing just fine thank you. The ones that would easily enable access to system files are not and I'm glad, its nice to not have to worry about people screwing that up. The rest, its like i said before, android does everything but doesn't excel at anything. Wp7 doesn't do as much but does everything that it does do better than the competition. Of course my opinion on ilomilo was stated, last i checked i was on a forum and not writing a review. I couldnt care less what the general populace want, they've proven time and time again to not be the most intelligent bunch, i was trying to have a discussion about a feature and it was turned into an OS war.
[General Topics] hungry81:
Hell I started up a wp7 phone and it esploded in my hand. true story. you can believe me cause I dont like wp7 but still use the phones anyway, cause I hate myself. liek you. and I must be punished. liek you. can we be friends?

I also liked your story earlier on about not liking android cause it was crap on your HD2. Funny story I tried to install WP7 on my hd2. it was crap. game set and match.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I develop for android and still have devices ranging from an old mytouch 3g to a sgs2 in my drawer due to a phone addiction and a lot of Craigslist trading.

Wp7 on the hd2 actually performs better than it does on the hd7, my opinion wouldn't be based on the fact that a phone that wasn't intended to run an OS wasn't the best at running it, thanks for being another person who thinks that they have finished the conversation by making a series of invalid points. I've had a few of those though... Really don't know why this keeps getting bumped and for awhile we were actually having a good discussion.
[General Topics] rsabdul:
no

of course not
[General Topics] slapshot30:
You say that you didnt mean to start an OS war... Are you kidding me!? How dumb are you? You knew it would turn into that, dont even try to play dumb. It was attention whoring from the start.

Sent from my HTC Desire Z
[General Topics] Viper89:
I posted this 10 pages ago and yet people are still responding to z33dev33l why??? It's this ****ing simple, if you stop posting in this thread we win, if you keep posting in this thread he wins why is this so hard for people to comprehend??? Even though Vetvito's post was *epic* ^_^. Before any more of you people post again in this stupid thread read this post and think about what I'm saying. I'm still speechless on how this ass clown got 36 pages of this BS, if you post after this post and continue to engage with z33dev33l you are a moron because after 36 pages of this BS there should be nothing left to say to him, END THREAD.
[General Topics] mr.hary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9S5EO7CLjo&list=UU64SnnOnTLa0

the video says for now hardware accelerated ui for andoid by default is off, even the hc is support the accelerated ui. its because too many different hardware and apps compatibilities. but in the end of the video says, maybe in the future hardware accelerated ui by default will be set to active. that clearly says hardware accelerated ui is not the priority for now, maybe they have something more urge to do than that for now.
[General Topics] dannydro:
+ 1 To all there own I guess.
[General Topics] hungry81:
ok

lololololololololololololololololol

umad bro?....
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I think I'm returning to this thread now just to see how much worse it can get. I believe now it's up there with "train full of puppies crashes onto a school is full ofcancer-ridden 12 year olds on their way to the make a wish foundation."
[General Topics] Viper89:
lol no I'm not mad ^_^. This thread is a pathetic cry for attention and is nothing but a joke, I just thought people would of realize this 10 pages ago let alone page 1 :rolleyes:.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
there's a few gems amidst the rubbish but sadly the majority of the replies are rubbish.
[General Topics] slapshot30:
The first post is the worst of the rubbish. :D
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
the first post is likely the only post based on an actual occurrence and findings rather than opinion.
[General Topics] watt9493:
Actually seems more based on opinion.

"Xdas offical galaxy s hater"

Really un-biased there eh bud?

Sent from outer space on PuRe SpEed
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
that's a signature, try getting 4 faulty galaxy s devices in a week. Its a pain.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
Wow upto page 38 and all the contents is about 2 girls having a petty squabble!
[General Topics] aFo3262:
http://androidandme.com/2011/08/new...rmed-as-lead-platform-for-ice-cream-sandwich/

Some interesting stuff. Seems like the SGX540 may be the GPU used for HW acceleration in ICS
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
bumping a thread from page 3 just to re-ignite the petty argument?... And you guys called me a troll.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Apple copies everything, that is invalid. Though Samsung may have a few devices out in which hardware acceleration has been properly implemented that does not change the fact for 99 percent of devices out there. I have a great picture of my baby on my wallpaper, of course it's not my background, why would I want a bunch of tiles or even icons blocking him out? If I need more the photo hub is literally 2 taps away, as is playing any music I want, as is everything else, it's just so easy and uniform and clean all without lag. Microsoft has no need to copy anything, it's the first real bit of innovation to hit the smartphone market since the iphone. It's not a moder winmo like android, useless unless you want to download all the right apps, get all the right roms, and maybe you'll in time find that perfect balance where the phone is as useful and ALMOST as user friendly as WP7 is out of the box.
[General Topics] xaccers:
The great thing about Android is you don't have to have any icons or tiles on your home screen, you can have it anyway you like it.

Currently there are many hardware accelerated android devices, as the hardware becomes more common then Google will natively support it.

I do not believe that you have spoken to anyone who knows for definite what android will be like in a year let alone 2 or 3.

When it was first released there were no plans for tablet versions, yet the hardware was made and google released Honeycomb (with a seperate version optimised for smaller 7inch devices).

So "custom" versions of Android released by Google are quite normal.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
As the hardware becomes more common? Isn't that what most android users dread? The day all of their phones are just alike? Google does not build the OS for the hardware, it builds an OS and lets the manufacturer worry about the hardware and that is a fact which means they won't be supporting it natively. I can remove all apps from my home screen too, never wanted to but I just tested it, just adds an extra step to get to everything.
[General Topics] xaccers:
You don't think dual cores will become the norm for instance?

Or 480x800, or 720p recording, or 1080p recording?

Really? You don't think these things will become common?

Wow. I guess you're perfect for WP7 then.
[General Topics] brgroover:
The Milestone has a acceleration gpu because I could disable it

create a line in build.prop e put this:

debug.sf.hw=0

You will be see a hell lag
[General Topics] Tone_:
There does seem to an awful lot of topics if you search android lag?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b922b3d9685f3663
[General Topics] xaccers:
Which is down to either the hardware, or an operator's application of android, not android itself.

Zeedevil can't have it both ways in saying that WP7 has no lag due to it's hardware and not due to the OS itself, while not applying the same criterior to Android (an OS not hardware).

WP7 would run like a dog without hardware acceleration or on a low end phone that runs Android, likewise Android on the same hardware as a WP7 device but without using hardware acceleration isn't laggy at all.

It would be like saying XP is laggy because you've only used it on P3s or your OEM has installed a load of bloatware, while everyone else is using it on P4s as a clean install.

XP isn't laggy, it's the hardware you run it on that is.
[General Topics] rizdog23:
Well, come to think of it, you said the only reason an os can not have full hardware acceleration is because of the phones hardware, chipset, etc being different.......wp7/winmo use a variety of oem's just like Android. So if that is you case, then only that god-awful iOS can claim true acceleration.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
review the wp7 hardware requirements, they're all essentially the same phone with a different screen or a hardware keyboard. Same chipset and all which is what really matters. Winmo is irrelevant at this point.
[General Topics] rizdog23:
So essentially it is the same as iOS, no options in choosing your phone. And these stats are only the minimal, but many overachievers, like HTC, make their sets better to attract more customers which causes this mandatory acceleration to falter.....unless of course it is made to accommodate the larger ram, etc. If thats the case, then they are screwing you over by telling their oems to do less then what your os can handle...basically the team over at wp7 is saying "(explicitive) you, we dont care if the phones can be better. just do the damn minimum so we claim to have hardware acceleration.....even though with our acceleration we still dont perform better then what the oems are willing to make" it seems as if wp7 is very minimal....not only in the ui....but in the dev/owner team too.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
As a Nexus S user, Android lag is very real. Seriously, compare the stock browser to Opera or something. Not in application loading time, but panning, scrolling, and zooming, Gingerbread improved things mildly with homescreen scrolling. I think/hope Android will have GPU acceleration soon(hopefully ICS) but I also think that the implementation will not be as robust as iOS or WP7 because of the hardware variety. No composite based UI, that's for sure. Honeycomb implements GPU acceleration though, and centers around the Tegra 2 for optimization. Hoping that something like that can be worked out in ICS.

Side note: I've heard nothing but endless problems with the DVP. Including shoddy customer service, bugs, and a crippling wifi crash issue.
[General Topics] shancake:
interesting!
[General Topics] netham45:
I can't argue against WP7, as I've never used it, but the issues z33 brings up are far less of issues than he'd have you believe.

I've never noticed any sort of impairing, or even slightly annoying lag on an android device I've owned. Accelerated UI or not.
[General Topics] Dyskmaster:
am I on engadget?

so much bias/free expression of opinion, I love it!

oh, and to add my two cents:

I like and use android and windows phone 7 every day and neither of them (a samsung focus and an asus transformer) lag for me.
[General Topics] xaccers:
There, now it's accurate.

If android was laggy, then no matter what hardware it was on then it would lag.

This isn't the case though, which shows it is down to the hardware causing the lag, not Android
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
no, its the fact that the operating system is not optimized for any specific hardware.
[General Topics] mrrick:
Lol @ opinions

Sent @ 04:20
[General Topics] Funnnny:
Linux is laggy because the operating system is not optimized for any specific hardware.

And it'll never have Hardware Acc. UI

Oh wait, I forgot about compiz
[General Topics] xaccers:
and yet on similar but not quite as high spec hardware as WP7 devices, Android runs smoothly and without lag, while WP7 actually requires hardware acceleration.

Shows how unlaggy Android really is in that on hardware it is not even optimised (or designed) for it is without lag, while WP7 has to be optimised for specific hardware.
[General Topics] Nudua:
Is there really an argument for not having fully hardware accelerated software these days? Specially on a mobile device that needs to be concerned about user experience and battery life.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
Finally they decided on a hardware to make the standards from, hopefully ICS can bring OS wide HW acceleration so we can be rid of all the stuttering thats going on.
[General Topics] Funnnny:
As I watched the keynote at Google IO, it seems that ICS will use OpenGL ES, so there won't be any standards hardware like you think to do hw acc. The hw is the base to develop Android to, and to support other hw we'll have to make a kernel and driver.
[General Topics] regal_beaver:
Android is so smooth

I use MIUI ROM and its smooth as butter, I never get any lag with the UI. Unlike when I use an iPhone 3GS and I want it to end!
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Ah! The necro-post from hell.
[General Topics] cobraboy85:
you must be retarded or something.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Yup, that added a lot to the conversation and totally put forth valid points.

/sarcasm
[General Topics] Bierce22:
Why in the world does this thread keep poping up this should have been locked months ago.
[General Topics] Luijo123:
agree

10 char
[General Topics] mikeeam:
I like Android. Seriously, it's awesome. But it's laggy. Just admit it.

Even with overclocking or whatever you try. Custom roms.. Whatever you try, it is not as smooth as iPhone or WP7 (to the one who said about the WP7 hardware, you should be ashamed to have dual cores with that poor performance. blame your OS then).

Hope Ice Cream Sandwich solve that problem.

Everyone says "Mac Fags". Well, for the first time I'VE GOTTA SAY. I see Android Fags here! (I'm looking at you, xaccers)

Oh yes, because the OP is the ONLY ONE saying that Android is laggy. He is not alone. Every single review (I really mean that) says that Android needs hardware acceleration.

Nexus S is smooth, yes. Still, it's visible that need some more improve.

And I'm not saying that WP7 or iPhone is perfect. Just funny how you guys get mad when someone point a problem in your beloved gadgets.

This is like "You may talk about me, but not about Android!"
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Thank you last two posters for being sensible. While I will never use it again because it doesn't suit my needs android certainly isn't a bad operating system, the inability to admit its lack of polish is fanboyism. As much as I love wp7 im always ready and willing to admit its flaws (though mango killed off most of them.)
[General Topics] vnvman:
I feel you man. I've been using a Desire for over a year now, and tho at the beginning i was a plain android enthusiast (new things are always shiny), i slowly learned the drawbacks of this os: google cares about this platform because it's good for advertising and doesn't go further than that...all the hard work, like building a decent user experience, is either done badly or left for phone manifacturers, and this results in fragmentation, wich means serious lack of optimizations. I'd rather get a lower powered but highly optimized phone (e.g. a cheap wp7) rather than a top notch android if i had to choose now...in everyday usage those devices perform on par with high end androids (or even better), and let's be honest, it's all about that: only kids care about fancy games and show off with their crazy benchmark scores (meaning actually nothing).
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
The funny part is that games were the excuse but now, in my opinion anyway, windows phone 7 beats out android as far as games go. All we need is one or two decent rpgs and ill be totally sold.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Well i really used to care about games at the beginning, but i geuss that was basically because i never had anything that fancy on my old winmo devices. I got bored real quick and now i can't even remember the last time i tried one. Right now all i care about is having a smooth browser, decent communication tools and solid productivity apps. Wp7 seems to have all of those, but after 3 and a half years of touchscreens i really, really miss the keyboard of my dear old blackberry. Maybe if the upcoming bbos7 doesn't suck that bad i might give the bold touch (coming out this fall) a go: i once had a samsung i780, and the keyboard+touchscreen combo seemed to be a nice concept, tho the specific device sucked a fair bit heh...
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
if you dont mind the heft I certainly reccomend the dell venue pro as the keyboard is a similar layout, everything is flawlessly ergonomic and beautiful, and it pretty much embodies everything wp7 is.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Thx for the input. Too bad i'm not a great fan of sliding keyboards, i'm more the candybar type of guy when i want a phone with a keyboard: idk why, i feel like having a keyboard which isn't there saying hello every time you grab the phone isn't worth having...i'm so old fashioned lol...

Anyway it seems like there isn't plenty of phones with that form factor nowadays, maybe there's just no market for those anymore :(