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[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Im shocked that this thread still continues to push onward. The fact that some are resorting to petty juvenile insults rather than discussing the facts should have gotten this halted awhile ago.
[General Topics] ricky babalu:
If you want an example of someone who is "Petty and Juvenile", we have to look no further than your signature.

XDA's

official Galaxy S hater

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Dell Venue Pro

-All Stock

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Still better than your phone
[General Topics] majorpay:
Yeah, but I think that you have to expect that from him. My suspicions are that he is about 12.
[General Topics] ricky babalu:
Agreed! He has some serious "developmental issues", he needs to take his ball and go home.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I love how people take completely unrelated points and try and turn them into discussion topics when they have nothing useful to put forth. At the age of 12 I was still more mature than that. I hate the galaxy s devices because my last two android devices were a captivate and a vibrant and the touchwiz UI was a joke, the release of updates was comical, and then they tried selling us the exact same phone with one or two small additions not even a year later and act as though it's some major upgrade. Samsung survives selling to stupid people.

as far as my statement on the dell venue pro goes, i see many people with similar pride in their device. This is without a doubt the most beautiful phone I've seen that costs less than 1300 dollars and it has a seamless UI that the 1300 dollar ones dont so yes, i stand by that statement. Please try to put forth some valid points, this thread has derailed quite a bit.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Ah, so you are 13 now? Wearing big boy pants? lol...

This is the song that never ends...

Yes, it goes on and on my friend...

Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was...

and they'll continue singing it forever just because...

This is the song that never ends...
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Other than weird novelty stuff with diamonds and gold plating or industrial devices used by heads of state, what phone costs >$1300?

(genuinely curious, not trying to give you a hard time, btw)
[General Topics] rizdog23:
What phone costs $1,300?? Because I feel that you might be getting ripped off if you think that is a fair deal. You also realize that you are not going to convince anyone that your UI is better.....im not saying that because your is better or mine is better or anything like that i am just saying that it is really tough to convince someone that what you are used to is any better than what they are used to. Personally I love sense and will stick by it no matter what and even though i think it looks better than wp7 ui, you will never be convinced of that just like ill never be convinced that wp7 ui is better than sense.
[General Topics] majorpay:
It could have convinced me if it truly was better from a functionality standpoint. I actually spent the time in the store wanting to like it, because for me, development would be SOOO much easier in a Microsoft environment.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
And you heathens call me a troll and a child...
[General Topics] majorpay:
You mad, bro?

I'm not saying you can't have your religion. I'm just saying if you didn't expect a flame war by preaching your gospel in a primarily Android dominated development community, you need to seek some psychological counseling.

The alternative would be that you are 13, in which case, I could excuse this naive attempt at conversion.

Here, I even found you a new Avatar:
[General Topics] Viper89:
^^^^Haha nice one. And he called us heathens lol what a comedian :).
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
No attempt at conversion here, just stating the facts about a conversation that occurred. Of course then there were people like xaccers who like to ignore an oses issues because they're blind zealots. Im aware wp7 is far from flawless, it's just the closest of the available options.
[General Topics] majorpay:
It would help if you would qualify your statements with "for me," as "closest to perfect" is a pretty broad, sweeping generalization.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
As for the 1300 dollar phone there are phones that aren't THAT gimmicky that cost that much, they're also working on a phone made by I think Alfa Romeo with unimpressive specs but it's all on one clear piece of glass with everything else necessary in two cylindrical edges, i dont remember the name or even if thats the right car company but eh, I dont follow android ritualistically like I did at an earlier point... Wp7 has been amazing to me as a dev and it took a bunch of unnecessary hassle that shouldn't be there just to get a useful phone...
[General Topics] slapshot30:
^

God, you think you're so sweet with your signature and everything. "XDA's official Galaxy S hater". All you are is an attention whore. You just have that in your signature to piss people off and get attention. You make this thread because XDA is majority Android users and you just want to stir up some ****. Did you get what you wanted? You deserve to be trolled and who cares if this pointless thread gets derailed.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
So every thread not clamoring over your OS is trolling and should be treated as such? You know if a desktop os, a website, or pretty much any other piece of intellectual property had that many holes it'd be tossed aside. With android they call it a feature. Anyway, if you get upset over a valid thread meant to bring about valid discussion regarding something that effects the vast majority of android users then that's your own issue. My only intention was to share some information.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Why, as a WP7 user would you concern yourself over the weaknesses of a competing O.S. over the strengths of your own, unless the strengths could not stand on their own?

You are infatuated with what "Droid does" (or what you perceive it doesn't do) instead of what "WP7 Does" (assuming it does anything).
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I work for google, the statement was meant to be informative but there are too many defensive people here. I could post all the strengths of wp7 but then the same people would come in here saying that android could do it better based on 30 seconds in your local at&t store with a focus. If you post something that's not pro-android in these forums you're chased off with pitchforks and torches because of some insecurities in the OS.
[General Topics] majorpay:
I'd recommend a video based on all the things WP7 does and showing the interface and usability. If there truly is a gem to be found, then we'd like to see it.

For me, I'd like to see a fully functioning (and working well):

1. Gaming System (I'm sure they have this covered - I think?)

2. Navigation System - With voice guidance and voice to text navigation (meaning I tell it where to navigate to, and it does it).

3. Speech commands that work, and work well.

4. Commentary on accessing voicemail from phone (can I access them through an app without paying Verizon?)

5. Customization and what's lacking (i.e. we know you can't change the wallpaper of your phone)

6. Does it support notification LEDs, etc?

7. The pitfalls of this system vs. Android.

In other words, an honest, non-biased look made by a non-fanboy (guess that rules most of us out).
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
I'd like to think I'm non-biased and non-fanboy, I think the 3 WP7 apps I've tried look WAY nicer than both their iOS and Android counterparts. It's the eBay, IMDB, and Weather Channel apps. Also, the weather animations in HTC Hub are badass and very smooth. The way the apps look almost makes up for the plainness of the UI.

I only compared 3 apps because of the dozens of apps I have on iOS and Android, those were the only 3 that were available for WP7.

Also the game "ilomilo" is beautiful and very well done, and my wife thinks the Flowers game is better on WP7 than the Android equivalent (Garden something or other).

I haven't found any customization. I can remove stuff from the Home screen, and pin it. It doesn't seem like 3rd party apps support active tiles, just the built-in stuff. There is also no task switcher (that I'm aware of), so it can only sort-of multitask. Browser works well, but no text reflow like Android.

Probably the only thing that really surprised me is the apps are not just a clone of the iOS and Android versions. They definitely have their own personality on WP7 and the apps (like eBay app) can have its own wallpaper even if the home screen doesn't. That's probably what impressed me most about WP7 overall.
[General Topics] Viper89:
Lol wow, more like share some information and bash the people using the opposing OS. No one but you really cares about UI with hardware acceleration because if they did then they wouldn't be using Android plain and simple, look at how many happy users are in the " What OS are you actually using thread". So let me share some information with you: 1. Nobody cares what you really have to say about your one sided views of which OS is better. 2. If someone truly cared about a hardware accelerated UI in Android they can install SPB 3D or put a rom in there phone that has Sense 3.0, crazy right?And you see this is the beauty of having an open OS you can do whatever you want, however you want, and when you want. And SPB 3D visuals ****s all over Windows Joke 7 10 year old Lego UI. It's so funny when I hear people saying WP7 has the best UI when there is nothing but square tiles that update with fade in and out transitions which pretty much anybody with a WP7 theme can replicate on a different OS, mind blowing right? The hardware acceleration in WM SPB looks better than WP7 lol :p.
[General Topics] mrrick:
You have no tact. That is the ONLY reason this thread has turned out to be an epic fail for you. It has nothing to do with any OS issues or loyalty or anything like that. Your persistence and dedication on the subject is admirable tho. The way you keep coming back and plugging forward, post by post.

Sent @ 04:20
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I suppose that all of the immature trolling and petty insults show more "tact?" I stated a fact and people attempted to turn it into a riot.
[General Topics] mrrick:
Pretty much
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
im aware that few can cast an unbiased opinion here at xda, myself included. So, I stuck with a conversation that I actually had that was as straight from the horses mouth as I could get as a lowly liason. The guy I was talking to was actually a huge android fan to the point that I admired his dedication but the facts regarding the OS weren't shielded to his eyes. He knew there were flaws and things that google and android team really couldn't do themselves. He didn't write off an OS because it wasn't android, in fact he's obsessed with ilomilo now. That sort of fanboyism is awesome and commendable. I could post a thread regarding the many selling points of android and why while its not for me it is undoubtedly the best choice for some consumers, I just dont want to post the same thread that's been posted 1000 times. Until issues are openly acknowledged and discussed what reason does google have to fix them?
[General Topics] ricky babalu:
Why are you so concerned about this? Worry about your own OS issues in your own forum. Hint: Nobody here cares what you think of Android. You come here because you don't have an audience in your own forum. I for one am tired of your act, get over the fact that the majority prefers Android over your OS. You are "that guy" that rubs and irks people the wrong way.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
last I checked the general section is open to any and all OSes, I posted there because I didn't want to post an android related discussion in the wp7 forums and this seemed like the best section for news. Aside from 4 or 5 members who are android fans trolling the wp7 community has been the most professional I've encountered outside of the developer sections. This is a case of someone posting something valid but it poked people the wrong way so they became unrealistically defensive.
[General Topics] numberoneoppa:
Lots of crap in this discussion. Buy a phone you like, enjoy it. Done. If you are going around saying that Android won't have hardware acceleration, then you should post some reputable information as contradictory evidence can be found.
[General Topics] DreamcastDC:
It already has a hardware acceleration UI for Honeycomb.
[General Topics] Viper89:
The saddest thing about all of this is that we gave this attention whore 26 pages of what he wanted a "valid discussion" which to him equals how many android users he can piss off for his pure amusement, the jokes on us bravo z33dev33l. I've had my fun in this thread and have way better things to do on this forum then this so this my last post here. If we stop responding to him then he will have nothing to say because this is what AW/ Trolls feed off of *Attention*. Let him look like a jacka$$ posting his BS opinions to himself then the joke will be on him ;).
[General Topics] :
I agree with Viper..

Funny how certain people consider their opinions as fact..
[General Topics] android53:
Op started off with good intentions then everyone got dragged into another os flame war..

No, android does not have real hardware accel, and the scrolling is much worse than iphone/wp7. Google thinks its a non issue so I don't see it getting implemented

Soon.

If you want a super slick os, android just isn't there yet.
[General Topics] PoXFreak:
If you think about it, how many phone companies use Android on all these different brands of phones with varying quality and cost control measures?

Google just designed the OS and handed it over to the developers to use with whatever hardware they saw fit to run it. From there it has been spawned into so many variants across builds that even the phone companies can't keep quality control measures in check.

On the other side, iOS was designed around one specific piece of hardware and takes advantage of 100% quality control measures, regardless of cost. If they want to roll out a new build of iOS, they design it around specific pieces of hardware, not many.

I guess the bottom line is this:

If you want the Lamborghini of cell phones, you buy an iPhone, but be prepared to pay the hefty pricetag.

If you want a choice (which, IMHO is HUGE), you buy an Android-based phone, but be prepared to pay a penalty in some form or function.

I am just as big a fanboy of Android OS as the next guy; PLEASE don't think I am plugging the iPhone! I just state a personal view from experience with both OS's.

....just my $.02
[General Topics] vbetts:
There isn't a big difference in price though.
[General Topics] Tuleen Donai:
There was absolutely NOTHING informative about your statement. You presented NO evidence. No Data about your claim about the lack of acceleration (H/W or Otherwise) in Android.

Why don't you start a *NEW* "I HATE ANDROID" thread - this one has gone cold.
[General Topics] asharma5290:
umm android is the best!!!!
[General Topics] SpyFi:
Have an evo3d and this thing is 2x and i4 imo. I have it @ 1.8 ghz. Graphis are super smooth and i have not seen one bit of lag anywhere. I also habe some iphones for testing at my cell repair shop. All they will ever be used for is testing my techs all use android as well.

Sent from a blazing fast 1.8 GHZ Evo 3D.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
or you get the lambo quality with a choice with wp7. IMHO that was an outstanding strategy. I dont care if my hardware is not a quad core with 32 gigs ram (exaggeration of course) if the is runs smoother on the hardware provided. I see no definitive reason as to why the fact that mine is a single core 1gig which is already more than powerful enough for a phone should matter opposed to a 1.2 dual core if it runs smoother.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
i dont hate android, I just prefer another. I still develop for android and while its not as lucrative as developing for wp7 it certainly helps pay the bills. I have a dell streak and this stupid transformer phone to test on. I just dont much see an angle at which wp7 fails other than the typical can't change the background thing which means nil to me if I get a better dev environment, a more pleasant and uniform UI, and while not as many a better quality of games and apps. Android just seems to have more blemishes to me though it's still not as bad as an iPhone.
[General Topics] :
You've got to give him credit for saying android is better than iOS ^^ lol :D
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
I have no problem with WP7, never even used it, barely have tested it.

However, no matter how smooth the scrolling is, it'll never have the mainstream base Android has, and I feel like mostly just because it's Microsoft and people still hold a bias to them.
[General Topics] anandjm:
Lets see how "responsive" WP7 is when it gets full multitasking.

WP7 has hardware requirements which are strict. Just one platform, I believe and that too all Snapdragon based. Furthermore there is limited multi-tasking. Wonder how snappy WP7 will be when it starts supporting multiple platforms (TI OMAP and Nvidia Tegra). I used to use WM6.1 and then WM6.5 phones. I preferred them over Android phones because proxy support was always there. As a phone and as a PDA WM6.x phones are very good choices. But they make poor internet devices. This is made worse by the memory leaks issue. Hence when I got a decent sub 300$ unlocked device (4.1"WVGA, QSD8255, 512MB RAM, and 2GB ROM) with stock Android 2.3.4, I took the plunge. No memory leaks, fast responsive UI. Few of my friends working in Microsoft who were given the HTC Mozart preferred Android and even S60 over the WP7. The couple of times I did use a WP7 device, I hardly found any difference in the responsiveness between it and my Android phone.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Oh that is so true. :)
[General Topics] GodSlayer:
I still don't understand I mean it is really weird.
[General Topics] galaxysnoob:
idk

my phone is k
[General Topics] mr.hary:
there is no such thing as "Perfect OS or Perfect Device"

os 1 with device x = good at "this", not so good at "that"

os 2 with device xx= good at "that", but not to good at "this"

os 3 with device xxx= damn no good at all LOL
[General Topics] seanpual:
One major item is Hardware Acceleration. Android phone does not implement hardware acceleration on their UI. On the other hand, iPhone or Windows Phone 7 supports hardware acceleration as Apple owns everything from hardware to software, even though they are using PowerVR’s GPU, they can still optimize it as they own iOS. Windows Phone 7 on the other hand works closely with phone manufacturer to optimize the performance of their phones, which is why Windows Phone 7 are limited with only Samsung offerings and it is more expensive and it takes longer time to pilot a Windows Phone 7 product, but still the end product of Windows Phone 7 is gorgeous.

High School Diploma Online
[General Topics] EarlZ:
Im pretty sure HTC has Windows7 phones..

@Topic

Why do things like opening the SMS inbox with tons of messages cause the animation to stutter, on the iphone even with 10k messages it does not stutter, is this because that the CPU cant catch up to both rendering the animation and opening the inbox.. even on dualcores?
[General Topics] Funnnny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9S5EO7CLjo&list=UU64SnnOnTLa0

That's something Android team working on.

Even a dual core can't help much with the pixel increasing now and the memory bw with CPU, the CPU speed is not a problem anymore
[General Topics] kindred7:
Those complaining of lag on android; it has to do with the memory threshold of the OS. Install AutoKiller Memory Optimizer (Root needed) and select a setting that eliminates lag. This application modifies the memory threshold of killing background apps to free ram. The free ram gets used as a buffer for quickly caching needed applications, as opposed to unloading cached ram to re-cache soemthing else, reducing lag. There is rly no fixed setting due to what the manufactures put on the phone; so basically its each model to its own range of settings. My xperia x10 has no lag with the moderate setting.

EDIT: Should have also mentioned this. Lag can also be caused by background cpu intensive apps jus like windows on your pc.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
On the SGS2, this should not be a problem with at least 500MB of free ram on boot and 2x 1.2Ghz cores. Opening a conversation on your inbox SMS with quite a long history shows that the animation micro-jitters twice..
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
So what's the point of this thread anymore, to further explain the obvious fact that different OS'es are different? Well no ****. Close the thread. We get it.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
This old thing is still getting kicked up, I do appreciate some of the more recent posters who saw this thread for what it is.
[General Topics] k0zmic:
Agree, can a mod lock this please?
[General Topics] kindred7:
Cant say i have an idea besides what ive said as i dont have a ssg2. Regardless of cpu speed theres still a possibility of a process sinking 100% of that, think of it as a short in an electrical circuit. That being said it could have been sloppy programing. You mention the sms specifically, i can only suggest trying other sms managers or even a different launcher.
[General Topics] majorpay:
+1 - Here's food for thought:

ROM Gripper and associated products had 100% smooth scrolling text on a long list while GMail stutters repetitively. Some applications are still being built for low end phones, OR it's just bad programming.

The real problem is not the O.S.. The real problem is the apps on the O.S..
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
I could believe it's an app problem at some level.

-Sent from my Incredible-
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Perhaps on some level the apps are poorly coded but that is certainly not the primary issue... Once this thing hit page 3 id really hoped it was gone.
[General Topics] majorpay:
It is the entire issue, as games, and well developed apps run perfectly on the device (at least on my device), and so does Go Launcher for that matter (my home screen). It's certain apps (specifically from Google) that seem to have an issue with lag.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
Games have access to native hardware though, most everything else runs on a virtual machine impacting performance. Many launchers use various tricks to maintain smooth scrolling(can't remember exactly but launcher pro lowers image quality as you move from screen to screen). Still, huge portions of the OS and apps don't run at 60fps
[General Topics] majorpay:
Does anything on any phone run at 60fps?