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[HTC Sensation] spazoid:
Everybody keeps posting that they talked to htc and got this response and that response. In all fairness its crap without proof. Let's see a screen shot of that message. Everybody is anxiously waiting including myself. We already know that HTC is working on an update, and the senior members here already know that our XDA boys will more than likely beat HTC to the Chase.

.In the words of Dr Gregory House "Everybody lies" Every morning I look to this thread hoping to see our permy and I see useless crap. That doesn't mean everyone go message HTC and take screenshots to provide info we already know. For the love of God, stop posting that you talked to HTC and found out that an update is coming. If you claim to have gotten a release date don't post it unless you have solid proof to back it up and its not the same thing over and over. Otherwise.....you are asking to get flamed.
[HTC Sensation] idavid_:
I think HTC thought we asked for F-OFF, not S-OFF.
[HTC Sensation] sikkboy626:
This +1.....
[HTC Sensation] phonegod:
im to the point i dont care anymore im enjoying what i paid for. it happens when it happens people calling htc not going to make it get unlock no faster or buggin the devs. just sit back and wait its still a good phone with out the dam thing unlock its not like you have a hd2 with windows 6.5 on it waiting to get unlock now that sucks just chill TFO.....
[HTC Sensation] bigmase521:
Dude relax! It's Sunday, get out of the house, take a walk, take a nap... something. We're just sharing the info we have with others, you know, like you're supposed to do on a forum. Have YOU e-mailed HTC about it? Do YOU have proof? Seriously though asking for proof in this situation is a little ridiculous, esp. when it's pretty clear people are copy/pasting the messages exactly. If you haven't e-mailed HTC multiple times about the issue then why are you attacking others who are just doing their part, trying to put pressure on them? In reality you SHOULD be asking folks to help FLOOD HTC with e-mails and calls in hopes that it'll speed up the process, not condemning them for it.

Here's your proof, now go eat a nice big brunch and sleep your grumpiness away.:rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] phonegod:
i think he saying that htc tells everbody the same thing so its no need to fill the thread up with the same message from htc i even got the same message you have here they are trained to do so ,infact i got multiple same messages from them so it is kind of useless ,and this agrabrens thread not htc forum
[HTC Sensation] bigmase521:
I agree with not buggin' the devs definitely, but not that people shouldn't contact HTC. I mean even if it speeds up the process by even a day it'd be worth it. Just to show the power of community. I'm sure #teamwin will crack it first, but if not, hitting up HTC can't hurt. I'm enjoying the phone more as-is than I have any other phone I've had, and I've used almost every Android that's been released in the US.

Awesome phone as is, but we all know that it WILL be better custom, which is why people want it so badly.
[HTC Sensation] phonegod:
you right i do bug the **** out of htc i just keep it to my self ,**** my girl call those idiots everyday about somthing with her phone she just called not to long ago today i told her if she dont sombody will
[HTC Sensation] bigmase521:
I realize that but that's not how he started his post. He started it with the "proof or it didn't happen" bs and basically calling people liars. I only posted it b/c I thought it was a little different than what others had posted
[HTC Sensation] joemm:
Can we just get back on topic please....just in case everyone forgot this is the Fre3vo / Fre3dom Official Thread ... and nothing else. Every time I open XDA and see new post have been made to this thread I think great maybe something new for fre3vo^2 or what not...but instead all off topic post. If you want to talk about HTC's time line start a new thread but lets not start spamming this thread. agrabren opened this thread here because of some BS over in the EVO 3d forum, let not give him a reason to move on from here....and yes I know he hasn't posted an update recently but thats still not an excuse.
[HTC Sensation] leftheodo:
Guys we don't need a fight here! We are all anxious about the bootloader unlock but all we can do is wait and send messages to HTC. A big thanks to those that share the info ( they have nothing to gain by doing it ) and lets put up some pressure on HTC. By the way i believe the devs will come up with something before the official unlock. So lets keep this thread clean and lets share the news. WE are all in the same side :)
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
An ON TOPIC post regarding S-OFF from agrabren from the EVO 3D thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15524275&postcount=464
[HTC Sensation] spazoid:
For all we know people are making stuff up. I particularly don't care if people really get a response that has a release date, but if your gonna post it, prove it. As far as the other htc messages yes....it clogs the thread.

There is no need to calm down...I'm not pissed, just making a statement.
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
Lmao
[HTC Sensation] xtcislove:
Maybe HTC just understand S-Off wrong?

To HTC S-Off does not mean Support-Off ;-)
[HTC Sensation] bigmase521:
Cool. I started a new thread over in General to serve as a place for people to talk/discuss the situation and post the responses they get from HTC and keep the Dev threads clean. Let's all work together and put some pressure on HTC!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15528268

Now, back on topic here...
[HTC Sensation] dortmundez:
HTC did not boot on defense to take just like that and remove the protection

People do not be so naive ...
[HTC Sensation] dortmundez:
HTC establish protection for the boot to take just like that and remove the protection

People do not be so naive ...
[HTC Sensation] Lakeshow423:
Some great news right there! Thanks!
[HTC Sensation] frenchie746:
If this phone isnt unlocked be September im jumping ship to the SGSII.

Tired of waiting.
[HTC Sensation] esincho:
............ So u bought the phone on the wish system? Solely wishing it would be rooted by now?
[HTC Sensation] wayde187:
Im going to sell mine into prostitution. Give iphone owners rides on it for 10 bucks an hour. I just want the screen to be responsive again.
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
I think I'm going to skip over this one and get the Evo3D
[HTC Sensation] Jamison904:
I'll give you the $200 you need for the upgrade for it. Let me know (0_o)?
[HTC Sensation] esincho:
lmao, just like that, my Sunday is made complete
[HTC Sensation] thehandi:
Yes, that's exactly what I did. Looked over the SGSII with the idea that it was essentially going to to be the same framework as the OG Vibrant, wanted something somewhat fresh. I'm sure many others share similar perspectives.
[HTC Sensation] Sdobron:
Sensation will be great once we get S-Off and permanent root access. Even stock this phone smokes my old rooted Vibrant.
[HTC Sensation] coffeehandle:
the 3vo is in no better condition, as far as s-off dev than the sensation.

In fact these two devices are like twins. Unless youre speaking of the 3d capability?
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
I'm talking about the fact that the Evo3D has S-OFF and sensation do not.
[HTC Sensation] Sdobron:
Get your facts straight. It does not have S-Off.
[HTC Sensation] pertsix:
I bet you ten bucks you will backtrack and claim it is "technically" S-OFFed
[HTC Sensation] coffeehandle:
yeah lol we dont. i have the 3vo.

if we get s-off we can basically run the same exploit for the Sensation.

So id keep your phone, double the Devs, and a lot of devs from the OG Evo 4g is switching to the 3vo, so if we can all take a xanex, things would go a lot smoother
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
Its rooted and that closer the the sensation... Bet you 10 bucks sensation will never be soff and u wasted your money..
[HTC Sensation] gbzbar:
Wow, you really don't have your facts straight. It's just as rooted as the sensation is right now. No more, no less. I suggest reading a little bit before you buy ANY phone in the future, or post anything else on this forum. It's only a suggestion to save yourself some embarrassment.
[HTC Sensation] predator21:
Wow....I am hppy atleast u get htc response.here in india....no replies to any mail only........sick
[HTC Sensation] Five0nIt:
Look at htc Facebook. Says thell unlock the bootloader in August
[HTC Sensation] azsl1326:
From https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150305151453084
[HTC Sensation] pertsix:
DEAL.

I expect a private message soon.

Also, lol @ the Facebook message saying both phones will be guaranteed rooted by early September.
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
Yup and the thunderbolt was sopose to have gingerbread by may hum what do ya know we are still waiting..
[HTC Sensation] frenchie746:
As for all the people questioning why we bought the sensation on the assumption it would be unlocked.. We, or atleast I, bought the phone for the fact that its specs are better 95% of the phones on the market. Also, I like the build quality of HTC phones. Not to mention the fact that HTC came out and said their stance on bootloaders has changed. So pardon me for assuming HTC would come thru on their promise. So now that HTC finally decided to update the public on their progress I will be sticking with the sensation.
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
T-Mobile got coming soon pictures of the mytouch 4G slide.. and its coming unlocked I might wait for that
[HTC Sensation] vabeach454:
Sounds like you need to go back to your OWN Forum and stop Trolling in ours!!
[HTC Sensation] drewtang:
Off topic, but can we please keep the posting in this thread to the topic in the OP, I come in here looking for updates.
[HTC Sensation] NYCguy2020:
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
Sry I agree. And I'm still hoping the developers working there magic get S-OFF b4 htc. I just love when our guys show up the pros..
[HTC Sensation] pertsix:
It will be rooted. The next exploit is in the radio loader module, similar to the graphics loader module exploited earlier. With any luck we can load it before signing takes effect, similar to the MMC exploits.
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
Roach where art tho.. please use your coding skills for good and help us get S-OFF
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
"We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprin"

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150305151453084
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
Read before you post. Someone already posted this
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
I know my post is off-topic and needless, but PLEASE can we keep this ON TOPIC and relevant guys!

On topic:

Latest news:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15538864&postcount=508
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
Thanks for the update can't wait until they crack this thing already.
[HTC Sensation] zoth:
I'm pretty sure HTC will leave some codes when you turn on the s-off and they will say f-off because you s-off your devices when you need warranty work specially TMO. I will wait for devs to s-off and a capability to return to stock as needed before I will do something. Not unless recognized Dev. say it's safe to go the HTC route.

Just my 2 cents.
[HTC Sensation] stenomatic:
+1

Swyped by my Sensation! :-)
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Sorry..but I can state unequivocally your two cents is wrong, IMHO. I have stated this before. I don't care if anyone here wants to believe me or not. Case in point. I am an original Nexus One owner from first day of availability. Over a period of time, I discovered I had the dreaded bad Nand. Except mine was NOT just in the boot partition which many OP's had workarounds by changing their boot img file size and associated kernels for booting with. My Nexus One had over 85MB of bad nand specific to the /data partition, along with several bad areas in my /system, and /cache partitions. I was stuck with only 23MB or so Free internal Memory that quickly was gone. I restored the basic stock image before sending my phone into HTC for RMA. At the time I sent it in, I still had the unlocked boot loader showing itself, plain as day with the unlock icon when turning on the phone. The phone was covered 100% for hardware issue specific to the bad nand. I was given a replacement. Unless they could show a cause and effect relationship of unlocked boot loader to hardware malfunction, it was stated they WOULD cover per warranty, which they did. Will HTC state this publicly. Of course not. But again, it was NOT an automatic, we are not going to cover a warranty on an unlocked bootloader Nexus One phone.

That's my 2c and this is probably why they are even going as far as providing the means to do this, if you believe the HTC comments regarding our Sensation's in general. This is NOT to say that anyone attempting to obtain warranty may be met by a different set of circumstances. The Nexus one had a definite known hardware issue regarding the Nand and I believe it was probably this specific issue which allowed them to still honor my warranty, but this is only my assumption. Just stating a fact that it is possible to have warranty honored on a rooted, unlocked phone. And no, my phone was and still is S-On. That didn't keep the Nexus one community from rooting, using Amon Recovery which I preferred over Clockwork etc etc to bring about the joys of running most anything, from Cyanogen, Paul M, Miui, HTC Sense, Gingerbread, etc etc.
[HTC Sensation] zoth:
N1 being a dev. phone to begin with. Again my 2 cents is for waiting for our Devs. here on XDA because the bottom line is us XDA members and for the heck & learning part of developing. HTC I don't think so, it's all about the money. Providers are a different story and most likely worst than HTC.

I won't be the 1st nor the last person you'll come across, screwed by warranty co., providers etc.

(Were so out of topic let's move on the Dev. part)
[HTC Sensation] dubie76:
Now HTC says September? I knew it wasn't going to happen. My money is on XDA developers. I bet they crack it first.
[HTC Sensation] phonegod:
you got that right, im tired of htc with there (shananagins)for anyone dont know what that mean its foolishness,trickery,clowning around
[HTC Sensation] tready:
A bit of news I tweeted network 3 today to ask them if they were going to allow the unlock update on there branded sensations. There reply

"@ThreeUK: @tready68 We won't stop this but we're working with HTC on the details & it will void the warranty of the phone."
[HTC Sensation] ClydeB1:
That just can't be right. HTC have also said they will no longer be releasing phones with locked bootloaders, so by the same logic that must mean that HTC will no longer provide any warranty's on their phones. BS - Not doubting the reply you got but this can't be true. Again a case of the networks being totally clueless and not knowing their a$$holes from their elbows
[HTC Sensation] tready:
Well I hope your right and there wrong but ain't this wot Sony erricson do unlock and void
[HTC Sensation] phonegod:
that last line was funny (a$$holes from their elbows)lol...
[HTC Sensation] MAMeingast:
My 2 cents on this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15545737#post15545737
[HTC Sensation] DomSim:
i would wager that all there phones will be sold "locked" but be unlockable. that way they are warrantied as long as you dont flip the switch
[HTC Sensation] Profondo_Rosso:
Who doesn't know what shenanigans means?
[HTC Sensation] Five0nIt:
Yea, that seems the only thing that would make since.
[HTC Sensation] graffixnyc:
Yeah, that's how the xoom was. It was locked and then you issued a fastboot command to unlock it. When you issued the command it did come up with some kind of warning saying the tablet would be wiped. I think I remember it saying that it would void the warranty but I'm not 100% positive because it was a while ago
[HTC Sensation] DonJuan692006:
I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell HTC unlocking the bootloader and whether or not it will void the warranty has to do with fre3vo or fre3dom. You guys want to take up three pages talking about it...that's fine, just go do it in the general section where it belongs.
[HTC Sensation] Mrperf3ct:
I PM the op he said its still WIP they working on the emmc or something like that.. My Flashy new 3D can't wait for S-OFF. Also I got an update right out the box. I knew the sensation got one but not the EVO 3D anyone else?
[HTC Sensation] DonJuan692006:
The OTA for the Sensation was just an application update. You'll be better off asking in the 3vo section about the OTA it received.

Sent from my microwave.
[HTC Sensation] phonegod:
you would of been better off not saying nothing because either way you look at it when you respone to what people are doing you add another useless post to the thread ,just like i just did see how that works
[HTC Sensation] daman215:
DonJuan692006 is right yall talking about sh!!!!!t that dont have nothing to do with fre3vo or fre3dom
[HTC Sensation] agrabren:
There's no point in releasing a fre3vo^2, the community was able to take temp root future than I did! I'm just glad I was able to give this to the community. I'm focused on Fre3dom, since HTC isn't unlocking till September.

I may also look at an untethered root...
[HTC Sensation] pimpmaneaton:
So how is fre3dom coming. Is there anything the community can do to help out. I'm some what proficient with adb but other than pushing, pulling,chmoding and some other small stuff mainly just an instruction follower. Would be more than willing to try though. Thanks for yours and teamwins work on this. I'm sure the whole community is grateful.
[HTC Sensation] xspeed9190:
Keep it up we all are waiting to see you throw it in HTC's face that we have S-off before they released it. I am going flash withdraw this temp root is painful LOL

Sorry for off topic just wanted to give some positive reinforcement

:-)
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Please explain difference if any regarding S-ON and unlocked bootloader as my Nexus One is. The N1 is fully rooted. Runs custom recovery apps...AMON or Clockwork and any number of ROMs, Hboots, Radio imgs, etc with S-On.

Seems most talk is regarding achieveing S-Off. What advantage is gained or is this strictly semantics regarding capabilities after either having a fully unlocked boot loader with S-ON.... or S-OFF which seems to be the thrust of most peoples comments. Sorry if any consider this to be off topic and I intentionally am asking here vs the general section since I believe this is more a developer issue vs a general issue regarding Sensations.

And I don't consider myself to be any way shape or form of "noob". Been around XDA and specifically Nexus One Threads since day one of it's release, and have since moved on to the Sensation. Could not really find a good anwser regarding this minutia detail issue, specifically, here on XDA or on any other sources. TIA to all.....
[HTC Sensation] xSunny:
Well S-Off means Security Off which gives u full control over the phones system files.. So once the bootloader gets S-Off'd we can flash custom everything since right now its S-On we are not able to write to the system leaving us with a temp root that is why everybody is hoping for S-Off very soon.. So we can place the hBoot on the phone nd get recoverys and custom roms =]
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
Hey Doc! Long time no see!!

Still flashing 3 roms per day?

Why you don't take a SGS2? it's fully rooted with clockwork recovery, for Sensation you will have to wait at least a good month before enjoying it...if HTC doesn't postpone the unlocking thingy.

I know HTC is way better build but if you are a flashromaniac you will get bored here
[HTC Sensation] FrAsErTaG:
hey vegetaleb

looks like I followed you here :P
[HTC Sensation] pr0x2:
NEVER!

WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER!

:mad:

Now all raise the HTC flag high in the air! :cool:
[HTC Sensation] Cola-Wodka:
btt please!!!
[HTC Sensation] Xcor3:
Haha! :D
[HTC Sensation] superg81:
Well put. I was wondering the same.
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
I know what S-Off means. I am asking why on Nexus Ones, specifically S-ON is all we have had for past two years and I can do everything you state. The bootloader is unlocked. I have custom recovery img files such as Amon 2.2.1 recovery on my Nexus one. I can run, MIUI, Sense, Cyanogen, GB, You name it ROMS. I have updated to a later HBoot. I have updated to newer Radios. I am stating that S-Off is equivalent to an unlocked bootloader and it doesn't matter whether it's S-OFF or S-ON. I have full access to my system files. I have full access to every partition that comes on the N1...boot, data, system, cache, etc etc. IOW,,,,I am stating that at least WRT to Nexus Ones, S-ON does NOT inhibit full access to everything stated. My Nexis One is still S-On. The magic bullet was getting an unlocked bootloader and that is/was independent of S-ON or S-OFF. Hope that explains my particular query a little bit better. I have been extremely active last couple of years or so on XDA and the N1. Anyone here that has had the N1 probably has seen my posts on a slew of the ROMs, including my FAQ's on using customized Double EXT partitions and swap files to utilize the whole EXT partition for Free Internal memory, instead of the OK, but more limite Dark Tremors A2SD.
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Yeah. I'm beginning to wonder why I went for the Sensation. I gave my daughter the N1, after I placed one of the later actually stable 1.7.8 MIUI ROMs that offered A2sd, D2W, or Data2EXT. I do miss my flashing three times/day habit :eek: I researched as much as I could and basically could not find a decent write up on the S-Off vs unlocked Bootloader issue I was asking here. Temp root is basically the pits. Not really achieving much. Yeah, having Titanium Backup actually work, but I never relied that much on it. I was so used to multiple flashing it was just easy for me to manually update everything. Plus too many issues with TB corrupting stuff when using different partition setups with Data2EXT etc. My oldest son is a developer at NVIDIA so I had access to the G2X for 6 months before it was even thought of being pushed by TMobile. Getting a little off topic here, but since nothing really is happening around here now, other than complaints about losing temp root on rebooting, I didn't feel a little thread drift would be taken the wrong way. Don't want to step on toes here so I will just sit back and play the waiting game too. I preferrred to stick with HTC which may have been a poor choice. Not sure..... :D Nice talking with you again too, BTW....
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
+1 to that. I can wait. I really would love to see the Sensation turn into the same developer type phone our N1 was.
[HTC Sensation] Docmjldds:
Thanks for actually understanding what I wrote :D
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
I hear you since coming from a g1 and mt3g both with s-on and my bro g2 which was s-on but now s-off so I can access all of fastboot. But I think s-off is sought after to some dev is because we can't get perm root access. And achieving s-off gives us a very easy route to root our device. Plus I believe some people confuse s-off with having full root access and custom recovery to flash custom roms. But is basically used for fastboot access and flashing pmg.img without the security check.
[HTC Sensation] drewtang:
I think(and correct me if I'm wrong) the difference is in the security measures the sensation has in comparison to the n1. The purpose of gaining s-off would be to open the device up so root will stick. Since the n1 is a dev phone s-off wouldn't be necessary, as it doesn't have the security measures.