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[General Topics] xaccers:
If you'd seen my previous posts you'd know I'm a WM fan, not an Android fan (and certainly not homosexual, but hey if you're a homophobe then there's really not much hope for you), I've even pointed out legitimate holes in Android which ZeeDevil seems unable to spot.

I've never seen a review stating android needs hardware acceleration funnily enough, and I've read at least a hundred, so that blows your assertion out of the water straight away.

Even my fiancee's dad's cheapo LG is smooth and lag free. I don't run an overclocked ROM on my HD2, and it's lag free. All the stick DHDs I've seen are lag free.

Actually come to think about it, the only laggy android handset I've actually seen is my old Touch HD, and to be honest that was even laggy running WM.

Maybe UK operators don't screw up the phones like they do in the US, again that's not down to Android.

WP7 on the other hand I found slow, the transitions take up too much time, we know why they're there even if ZeeDevil can't admit it.

There are many android devices flying off the shelves which have hardware acceleration, it will become more standard, which flies in the face of Zeedevil's assertion that it will never be a truly hardware accelerated UI.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Yes, your argument the entire time is that you don't see it so it must not be there, we get it. Android is not hardware accelerated, things like touchwiz are moving in that direction but android itself won't be.
[General Topics] mikeeam:
Actually, I'm not homophobic. I didn't want to mean that.. Just used "fag" as the word that usually comes when someone is addicted to Apple things.

Yes, the transitions is to cover up some loading. Well, I like the transitions. They give some 'solid' state to the apps. iOS does that. Don't bother me at all. And with Mango they are way better ( I own a WP7 with Mango and a Nexus S), even though it's just a beta OS.

Like I said, I really like Android openness, I like to customize everything. But it really get boring when EVERY app you get you can customize everything. Damn, just open and work!

You have thousands of thousands of devices, which is nice, but confusing. You really need those dual core devices to run a Android from last year? While Apple hardware lasts 2 years with constant updates?

WP7 has less than 1 year since release, and it's way more solid than Android is.

Android have virus all over the market. The free apps keep taking your data all the time, selling to who knows, putting ads all over the screen because android users prefer to hunt their apps to the hell to get it free over paying $0.99 for it.

Despite the fact that every second you're tracked down by Google, give to them information about all your friends, family, where you are, where you like to go, when, with who.. Of course this seems to be paranoid, but Google do that, it's not secret.

I'm not even mentioning the fragmentation of Android and problem with OEM not updating, or locking bootloader so you need to swallow their messed up interface.

The most apps UI sucks so hard that I don't know if i'm using an Smartphone or a PDA. And every app you're going to download, you need to read all the permissions and swallow, again, if you don't agree with them if you really need the app. Wth angry birds needed my call history?! And all kind informations?

Then, Motorola says that they are going to update your phone! Wow! Great! Android 2.2! Takes so long that when they release, you're pissed out wanting Android 5.1.2.4.8.

I'm not a troll. I like Android. But it piss me when someone defends it with their lives. Android is great, but it has more problems than WP7 and iOS. If WebOS was from anyone else BUT Palm (HP can go to hell), probably, WebOS would be better too (it is, when it turns about UI).

Still.. I'll continue using my Android with joy, because I like it even with this problems (and it has crash bandicoot!).
[General Topics] vbetts:
Android's UI is not smooth at all. Maybe if you're not running a live wallpaper and depending on what device you have it is, but this is been my biggest complaint and a big complaint of many many others that the UI in android needs hardware acceleration. I was playing with a Droid x2 yesterday at a Verizon store, I'm thinking it'll be a nice smooth device. Not at all, very choppy just from going to one home screen to another. The Xoom isn't as bad, but there is some choppy-ness when a live wallpaper is active.

My point being, even in the original Snapdragon would be fast enough for hardware acceleration, there should be no reason Android's UI runs this choppy.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Hardware acceleration, aka the famous "issue 6914": look here and have a laugh, it's marked as "released" :eek:

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914

Once you've seen this you have a perfect picture of how the google dev team "works". What the hell is the point in having an open source project when it's ran so badly?
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Ladies and gents, I give you android http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
[General Topics] vbetts:
I don't see why they just don't have a ui with gpu acceleration, and then another that runs on software if hardware is their concern. The manufacturers of the SOC's include(or should include at least) drivers for the hardware, so they should be able to run it in hardware support mode, or vesa mode.
[General Topics] majorpay:
I run Go Launcher on a Revo with an LWP, and it's smooth as butter with all it's transitions. I've never seen a hiccup. WTH is the O.P. smoking?

There's lag on some devices either because they're underpowered or the developer doesn't fine tune the home app. If you get the right app, this thing flies like no other. OEMs are not great at creating home apps. Probably because they know it's the first thing to go anyhow.

What, is this two years ago, and are we talking about the Eris?
[General Topics] aFo3262:
They're not talking about home screen transitions, with 2.3 that's mostly been solved. The concern is that scrolling a list sends CPU usage up to 100% in Android, and panning and zooming is still choppy and below 60FPS. Even an OS that's lacking as much as WP7 has gotten great reviews based on a nice UI that is "so smooth" or "as smooth as the iPhone". Still like Android though
[General Topics] PlayfulGod:
aww did someones iphone or winsux phone get shown up yet again so they come crying n trying to diss whats become the best mobile OS out?
[General Topics] TonyG916:
android doesn't need hardware acceleration
[General Topics] majorpay:
I guess I've noticed, but never given it much thought. Scrolling text in e-mail or a browser has never been a big thing for me. I get my e-mails, the interface looks slick, and GPS and voice commands work along with some pretty rockin games for a phone, so what more could you possibly ask for?
[General Topics] vbetts:
Unfortunately it's not an issue of just being smooth as this point, it's also an issue of stability if scrolling through emails spikes the cpu usage to 100%. The system isn't going to have any other resources to feed from, so then errors and crashes occur. Bringing gpu acceleration could help take load off the cpu, so you have an open system for better performance overall.
[General Topics] vnvman:
No you.

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[General Topics] loonatik78:
In my experience, Android can be every bit as smooth as iOS. The dInc2 I was playing with for 4 days certainly was in everything it did. Even my old dInc is smooth as butter. I don't think the bolt is for a number of reasons, with the exception of 2 or 3 ROMs at best. From a lot of what I've seen a kernel makes it or breaks it. That said, I don't think any truly great kernels exist for the bolt. I'd get real tired of a phone that I have to just wait and let the battery die if it goes to hell for whatever reason, just to restart it. Perpetually inferior hardware doesn't fire me up much either. Neither does paying through the nose for inferior hardware. Oh... And neither do tiny retina-challenging screens that are ever smaller than my too small dInc screen. Or goofy proprietary connectors they charge stupid amounts for, or proprietary software to just put a song on the thing. God... The reasons I would never get an iAnything are virtually endless! I think I can overlook something this trivial and meaningless.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
I don't know about the DInc2, but the DInc with stock ROM is definitely not as smooth as iOS on an iPhone 4. It's smooth enough that I don't think it matters much, but it's noticeably not as smooth as iOS or WP7. There are times, mostly when scrolling, that you can tell the FPS isn't quite as good. Definitely not enough lack of smoothness that I think anyone would switch to anything else.

I'm guessing you're talking about the iPhone with your complaints, but what you say about the battery isn't true. There is never any reason to have to wait for the battery to die, I don't know where you got that from. Holding HOME+POWER for 10-seconds does a hardware reset, same as pulling the battery would on a normal phone. I also wouldn't say the hardware is inferior. When it came out, the iPhone 4's CPU and GPU were among the fastest.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Why so much hate?
[General Topics] rizdog23:
Like previously stated its mostly about the kernel. Also, with good tweaks you can make even the worst phone, good. I have a hero cdma (first sprint android phone) and even though it is a good 2.5 years old , it is still redicolously smooth. I run a gingerbread sense 2.1 (3.0 lockscreen) and with my current kernel, ram optimization, and swap partitions with a few tweaks (i can share them with anyone) it runs absolutely perfect with .94gb of internal storage. It's not like benchmarks mean much but my phone nearly matches the iphone 4 in speed.
[General Topics] majorpay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc ?
[General Topics] majorpay:
I just recently sent my Eris to my dad, and it was pretty sweet on smoothness, etc. The thing still had a killer GPS, and did everything a smart phone needed to do, along with having a ridiculously long battery life. I'd be using it today, and have no problem with that if it weren't for my 2 year upgrade.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Wow, people saying Hero and Eris have any smoothness whatsoever is really surprising, because I have a MyTouch 3G and it's probably the slowest, laggiest, worst performing phone I have ever used, I've tried many custom ROMs and every kernel out there for it. It has the same SoC as the Hero and Eris. Even WM6.5 felt much more snappy than any Android build on the MyTouch 3G.
[General Topics] majorpay:
It depends on what you are using for ROMs, what you are using for your home replacement, how well developed the apps are you are using, whether you are using an LWP, etc.

My current device doesn't care about these things, but throw XTRRom (base 2.1, stripped of extra HTC crap) along with Go Launcher, and the thing flies. See the problem is trying to overextend an old device. If you are trying to get applications and frameworks made to run on an A8 processor to work well on a A6, then you are clearly overextending the intentions of that phone. If you stick with well-built, solid ROMs that don't try to push the limits of the phone, and a solid home screen, the difference is night and day.
[General Topics] champkongen:
Haha.. Hotmail
[General Topics] :
OMG... OP? really? this is the same debate that has been going on in the desktop realm FOREVER. Windows vs. Linux / Apple vs. Linux (which is funny)

why do you think they chose to base Android on Linux in the first place?????

why is it that people who start threads like this rarely know what they are talking about?

and for the record... i would take a streamlined install of ANY linux distro over windows or apple ANY day of the week. in speed, reliability, and virus protection.

if you don't know how to work with code and are too much of a noob to tweak your android device... go play with your iphone and be happy. let the power users run android and smoke your lesser OS. ;)
[General Topics] rizdog23:
It is quite easy to make an old phone like new. Obviously you can get rid of your apps and overclock, but sometimes it is actually better to underclock. A guy in the android forums discovered that if you set your clock speed to 100mhz max 100mhz min and scaled to ondemand it has the same smoothness as the iPhone 4. I was very skeptical at first when trying it because it sounded like a hoax but it was amazing. Another suprising thing I learned is that the browser on newer phones is not all that better than old phones. The reason they always look faster in reviews is because the older phones are not upgraded to gingerbread (youtube must hate root). I have recently noticed that my hero with sense 2.1 gingerbread's internet runs just as fast as my dads evo shift stock (for some reason he is afraid of root). I guess my point being is that, it does not require a high end device to get top-notch results. Really any phone with a good dev team can be kept up to par with newer devices.
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
Not trying to discredit you but source please.
[General Topics] rizdog23:
I wish I could but a mod deleted it because the op and some other got in an argument, started swearing ,etc. The thread was just a mess but the concept was good. You can try if you want but if you do not trust the idea I fully understand. It would be hard for me to believe something like this unless i had proof also. It may only work on some devices, i have no idea, but it did work pretty well on my Hero CDMA. I would recommend it. It is great on scrolling/texting/any touch input but it does cause some games to load slow (though that could just be my outdated hardware :P)
[General Topics] hungry81:
Oh so lag is okay as long as you think it is it is pretty? For me lag is lag. and when my HD2 lags its no worse than your pretty "transitions"

Then diont customise it. find a look/icon/style you like and keep it. No one forces you to customise. It's an option thats there if you want it.

Once again OPTIONS. The biggest thing about apple updates is they add features that should have been there at the start, They do this to keep up with and stop jailbroken iphones just as much as keeping up with the competition. Thats no big deal.

Hey once again. OPTIONS. I use very few free apps. Most of my apps are paid. If someone wants a free version at least they have a choice. Use common sense and discretion and you will not run into ANY malware. Apple has its own issues (devs sneaking things into apps, and malware in the jailbraking scene) Dunno about microsoft but their app store will get targeted just the same once it becomes more popular.

All the main players (google microsoft, apple, hell even the isps and carriers.) monitor you in much the same way. (every cellphone is a tracking device.) Taht dosnet make it Okay, but unfortuantely most people dont seem to care and so they will keep on doing it.

Android itself is CUSTOMISABLE if you want more options there are third party UI's that do the job quite nicely. I use SPB mobile shell 3D, and it meets my needs. The bootloader is only locked on some phones and HTC is no longer locking them anyway. Fragmentation is not a problem FOR ME I like the choice. find a phone that suits you needs. No one puts a gun to your head and makes you buy a phone you dont like.

If microsoft and apple dont say which permissions their apps use how would you know what or when they are tracking. In that regards android gives you alot of control. (there are apps that can stop other apps from using unwanted permissions and you can easily disable data and wifi) The permissions are theree to educate yourself if you wish. You dont have to read them, but at least they are there.

I would not know. I do not own a motorola. Development on XDA is a factor I take into account when looking at phones.

Pure opinion. for me ios and WP7 have greater issues than android. Bit thats why i dont use them and do not recommend them

As do I, although I dont have crash bandicoot.... yet lol.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Wow this post was refreshing. So much reasonable points, and all of them backed up by facts, not "emotions" (as generally, sadly enough, happens here). That's the kind of people i love to discuss tech things with over the internets. Thank you.
[General Topics] majorpay:
This is all kind of stupid. The O.P. was ridiculous, and almost every response is too. Use what you want and keep your pie hole shut. To open thread after thread about the superiority of your phone is BEGGING for flames.

For me, the turn by turn Navigation in Android OWNS, and combine that with the ability to talk to it and have it talk back to you, and you have a device that can compete with most high priced GPS units on the market. I'd be a little lost without it, and wouldn't buy a phone that didn't have it now.

I mean, people are going as far to say that being able to customize is stupid. Come on now people, this is getting STUPID. Buy a freaking flip phone if you don't want to customize. Why the hell would anyone buy a smartphone if they didn't want options?

You know why I didn't buy the competitors? Turn by turn navigation, speech commands that work REALLY well to access the most important stuff on my phone, speech to text that works REALLY well, and multitasking that lets me choose what I want to run, when I want to run it, without worrying about one of the apps stopping (that's minor, but still an issue).

I'm *almost* considered a Microsoft fan boy. I run Windows. I customize the poo out of it. I believe Windows has no competition whatsoever in the gaming and 3d world. I have 2 XBoxes, and I like them. I used Windows phones back when they looked like mason bricks. But with all this in mind, I still chose Android. As I stated in another thread: Until I can switch to another O.S. and not miss ANYTHING I use on a day to day basis on Android, I will not consider a switch.

That's just it though. What's important to you? Is it smoothly scrolling text :D? Maybe you shouldn't buy an Android if that's your hang up. Do you believe Jobs should decide how everything in your life looks and operates, own 6 Mac products, and believe his ideas on DRM and anti-Flash campaigning are spot on? Android probably isn't for you. Is accessing your XBL account on a phone super important? Then Android isn't for you.

Do you want your day to day products to work, work well, and provide you with quality functionality while not worrying about a little tracing or 1/32nd second lag on text scrolling? Do you want to be able to make your phone your own by setting it up how you want it? Do you want the best Navigation anywhere on your phone? Do you still want high end gaming, Netflix, video, and music services that are not tied to a DRM? Want the most popular e-mail service in the world on your phone? Want your device powered by the most popular search engine in the world? [edit] Do you want the most powerful hardware as SOON as it comes available? Then Android is for you.

I didn't pick Android for the sake of picking a ridiculous looking green icon on my phone of a robot. I bought it for what it brings to the table that it's competitors don't.
[General Topics] mrrick:
This thread is retarded.

Sent @ 04:20
[General Topics] quad2012:
Android is cool and its really fun to customize everything but Android is NEVER as fluid as iOS, thats not a thing of believe thats simply a fact and nothing else. If you use iOS Devices you're Inputs are faster and it feels far more direct and scrolling is a lot faster too for instance. But in the end it doesnt make Android better or worse its just different, and for the lower -mid-end price segment Android is great. If you want perfection and care much about a perfect smoothness (if perfection can ever be reached) you go for an iPhone...

BTW WP7 is despite its Hardware acc not as smooth as Android, simply because 90% of all the Apps are sluggish and bad programmed, the core UI may be smoother but the majority of apps definitely isnt. Its not only about hardware acc but also about how apple not only wastes the money of its expensive products as some ignorant kids may think, they use it to make sure their software fits perfectly to the hardware and make it easier to develop smooth apps by providing tools or making sure the apps have a certain quality (so developers are forced to provide a certain level of quality instead of just pushing a beta into the market and even take money for it).

Its like Google is more about quantity wherease apple is about quality, do you prefer going to walmart or to a deluxe store with a smaller amount of articles but more quality... some people prefer to buy 10 shirts for 50 bucks wherease others would rather pay 50 bucks for one higher quality shirt... (sometimes the manufacturers don't just want to deceive you by setting high prices but are forced to in order to maintain high quality!).
[General Topics] vetvito:
@majorpay you can access your XBL account on account android. I use spark 360.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
The apps on my HTC Surround seem pretty darn smooth to me, like the iPhone.
[General Topics] ccmolik:
Open standards, the ability to write device drivers without paying for licensing, open-source code (albiet the base) allowing for more people to see, report, and fix issues...

OS X's UNIX core is based off of NEXTSTEP and BSD. Linux was written as a "Unix-Like" operating system - maintaining a good amount of compatibility.

Windows' networking stack was (and iirc still is) based off of Unix's networking stack.

Ironically, Windows can be more POSIX-compliant than Linux is.

You can at least swap out the launcher, which is what the normal user would call the "User interface." Personally, I love me my LauncherPro, but I know a lot of people who hate it. Hell, there's a windows 7 launcher-type of launcher available too.

Personally, I'm a Windows and Linux sysadmin, who owns a MacBook Pro and runs OS X.

Android OS suits my needs the best. I like being able to have the same ability to customize my HTC Incredible just as much as I can rip out the OS on my Nook Color and use it as a $200 iPad.

I will totally admit that the onus is on the manufacturers to take Android and make it the best for their advice, but have manufacturers really been able to do that?

Verizon fills their phones up with crapware these days, but look at when Verizon decided to have all of their phones have the same LG UI (this is back in the days of the EnV).

I like being able to customize my phone, I like being able to tinker and change what I run (which is why I dual-boot Fedora linux and win7 on my netbook), and I just don't like the Windows Phone 7 UI. I like Apple, but I hate having all of my apps on a screen (I like the blackberry/wp7/android paradigm of your apps being hidden in a drawer/menu).

My opinions are mine, your's are yours, this community is dedicated to doing the most they can with phones, so it's a terrible place to raise judgement based on anything a "common user" would do.

Great ending statement. This is starting to rival Reddit in the amount of circlejerking in one thread. :P
[General Topics] mr.johnsexydavis911:
What the guy with windows mobile is bashing on android? LOL!
[General Topics] :
Mytouch 3G has msm7k cpu. Hero/Eris has msm7k TURBO and more ram..
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Actually, OP who hates Android loves Windows Phone 7 which is nothing like Windows Mobile. I've been playing around with WP7 and it's no slouch. The UI in general (home screen, app drawer) do look very boring, but I would have to admit apps themselves look WAY nicer on WP7 than either Android or iOS.

Actually, mine is the 1.2 version and has the same 288MB of RAM as Hero/Eris. I don't know what the Turbo is all about, but it's 528MHz like the Hero/Eris. The UI isn't that laggy, but anything fun or interesting like live wallpaper slows it down significantly, and most games are unplayable, even simple games whose iOS versions ran smoothly on my old original iPhone.