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[General Topics] hungry81:
Thank you for your objective and totally emotion free assessment of the iphone. The most (closest to) perfect phone in the world. Your ability to read and comprehend this thread, and state unbiased researched fact is overwhelming me. God bless.
[General Topics] majorpay:
I came back to my computer just to LOL at this comment...

LMAO :D
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hehe.. that's a win right there
[General Topics] quad2012:
Well as an android fanboy you obviously gonna hate but staying objective iOS is the best "out of the box" os, and Im talking about bugs, smoothness, animations etc. ofc android does have more functions but most of them aint too useful and only kill the battery life, android is still young maybe it'll change one time...

may god bless android

Ohh and btw I dont have an iPhone but a Galaxy SII my friend, Im possibly more objective than you meant to be. I for myself would love to see an Android as smooth and well programed as iOS that would be perfect but we wont see it. And if you had any clue about programming you'd know that iOS is quite a bit better programmed, not to mention its hw. acc.
[General Topics] vetvito:
What's this

debug.sf.hw=1

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[General Topics] dsswoosh:
If the iphones major selling point is a hardware accelerated ui, then good luck.

Me......My Android UI is smooth as hell.

Apple can advertise their hardware UI till their eyes bleed. It isn't better nor smoother.

Also, my Android phone can do everything an iphone can do. And it's a hell of alot cheaper too.

iphone = burberry......People who buy it thinks it looks good, everyone else sees a rediculous waste of money for something that looks like crap ;)
[General Topics] vnvman:
Meh, that value means **** imho...it'set to 1 on every gb rom but still i don't see any hw acceleration.
[General Topics] rizdog23:
People keep talking about how the iPhone is smoother than any android phone. It is not always the software doing this, but more often the hardware. If you think about it, apple only releases 1 phone a year meaning tha tthey only have to deal with one set of bugs and that hardware will be the best they can offer. The OS is not what makes the phone but its really the hardware. If you take an iPhone 3gs and an iPhone 4 both running iOS 4, the iP4 runs better becasue of the better hardware. Android does not have this advantage because they have many different oems making many different styles of phones with a large diversity in hardware.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Actually is more like google devs thinking that android doesn't need hw acceleration: think about it, win7 can run on any pc with any gardware, and aero effects do use the gpu, not the cpu...sure a single device like the iphone will always have some more optimized software, but i could live with that.
[General Topics] r3awak3n:
I will admit that there is a lot of lag in a bunch of android phone but its not present in all of them. Like I said, my nexus one was so solid, I had iphone users tell me that its the only android phone they had seen that was as smooth ss theirs.
[General Topics] darbear5610:
Nexus devices, high-end devices with good hardware, and high-end devices with a good custom ROM present no lag. I fall in the third category. My G2x with Stock used to lag in the homescreen. Very smooth everywhere else. Using a custom ROM (and/or kernel), the homescreen scrolling was more fluid (tested running same amount of widgets, and same OS versions). Nexus devices are fast, PERIOD. They don't have anything to bog it down. Lastly, the high-end devices with hardware like Exynos and newer Qualcomm chipsets are supposed to run very smooth. The UI and OEM changes put on those devices then determines your experience. Something that the Galaxy S II has down.

I just can't wait until Ice Cream. It have a feeling it will enable the HW-accel in our mobile devices. It will bring interface changes, lag fixes, and other stuff we're sure to love. Then we put this argument to bed.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
XDA members have been saying this since eclair and some even earlier.
[General Topics] darbear5610:
Then I guess the one thing left to do is wait to see who's right and wrong when it releases.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Like I said, with the hardware variations icecream cannot incorporate true GPU acceleration. That is up to the OEMs.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
Had a Nexus S running Dolphin HD, CM7 RC1, Netarchy Kernel OC to 1.2GHz. Browser still was choppy lol.

Look at the reviews of the Galaxy S2. That phone commands a massive pricetag and gets accolade for how buttery smooth it is. And that browser has hardware acceleration
[General Topics] vetvito:
Its the opposite actually.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Actually i installed that blade something app to try it out and it was set to one by default, does the app change the default value when you install it? I feel no difference anyway, regardless the value i set :confused:
[General Topics] vetvito:
What app is that? I just change it in the build.prop.

Anywho, my phone is smooth anyway.
[General Topics] vnvman:
It's an app for changing build props on the go...
[General Topics] vetvito:
Thanks, I actually learned something in this thread.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Np lol...anyway i even tried editing the file manually just in case the app didn't work, but no luck, nothing seems to change on my phone...
[General Topics] mrrick:
Only thing someone can learn from reading this thread is that humans and their opinions are not easily swayed.. its like religion or politics. Once something is in their head, that's the end all be all.. Sigh..

Sent @ 04:20
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People are just getting to emotional about it. That's all..
[General Topics] Funnnny:
Opera Mobile has a very good performance.

Otherwise use the stock, my stock browser on JVQ (GalaxyS) is very smooth.

DolphinHD is choppy because it does not have any HW-Acc
[General Topics] Azaraith:
Seriously? That viewpoint is so cliched and uninformed it's ridiculous. First off, I and several of my friends wouldn't use iPhone or WP7 if we were paid to. iOS & WP7 are still far more locked down. I don't like iOS's hardcore dependence on icons or WP7's different, but still limited tiles approach.

Granted, I have far more experience with Android than either, but I do have a good understanding of iOS since I have an iPod Touch (barely use it now though...) WP7 I've only messed around with a friend's phone. From what I saw, there are little to no apps available and customization is a joke.

Secondly, iPhone isn't king anymore. It sits in 2nd place in the US currently, down to Android by 7% and just 2% ahead of boring old RIM. iPhone is an alternative, not Android :) at least if you're talking about most common smartphone platform. As an individual model, yeah iPhone is popular, but a multitude of form factors is one of Android's advantages. Can't say that the OS is preferable to another OS when it may just be the hardware (which I'll admit is top notch when it comes to fit & finish, though lacking in specs now - 1/yr release cycle will do that to ya).
[General Topics] Nudua:
Yeah WP7 might be too locked down atm, but at least they're taking the "hacker friendly" route considering how they've been treating the Chevron team.

As for the UI/UX, it's still just the minority that will put in the effort to fully costomize it. iOS or WP7 delivers a more complete, out of the box solution.

There's no denying Android phones are selling like hotcakes these days, but is it perfect? Every OS has it's pros and cons, it's just a matter of needs/personal preferences and it's just silly have the mindset that you'll never even want to try another OS out.

When it comes to hardware accelerated UI, there's just no excuse for not having it. Sure it's really hard to do while still having the freedom in hardware, but it's a shortcut the OEM's are taking on Android and by saying Android doesn't need it, we are letting them.
[General Topics] vetvito:
The minority cares about hardware accelerated UI. Just a thought.

Haters gonna hate.
[General Topics] vnvman:
I agree. But still the ui is the first thing you get your hands on when you try a phone at the shop, so random people at a first glance may go like "lololol iphone is much faster then this lmao" :rolleyes:
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
WP7 is THE most locked down smartphone OS out there. "Hacker friendly"? No way. I believe Microsoft treated the Chevron team well just to get them out of their hair. Bribe them with gifts, shower them with praise, and guess what? They go away, they are no longer a problem! This is evidenced by the fact there is no way to "jailbreak" any version of WP7 other than the first release. Microsoft ends up looking like good guys to the community, but they've effectively accomplished through "kindness" what other companies would have resorted to legal threats and lawsuits to accomplish the same thing. Smart thinking, on Microsoft's part.
[General Topics] vetvito:
I can agree to that. You know the shops solution? Put a pretty live wall paper on just to grab attention. It works.
[General Topics] Nudua:
The reason why they've "gone away" is so they could work on a official "jailbreak" method. http://labs.chevronwp7.com/

Even officially unlocking a WP7 phone now aren't that much of a hassle either, you can even get it for free via the Dreamspark program if you're a student.

It does suck that they removed the ability to use interop on Mango, but I'm sure someone will make it work again. And they are not cracking down on people installing the Mango beta on their phones, they were even flattered by the guys that made it work on the HD2.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Thanks, I didn't know about the official unlock for students. I'm no longer a student, but I may be able to get around that as my student account is still active.
[General Topics] GAZ082:
I do not know if the Motorola Atrix has hardware acceleration or not, but its interface is laggy and its hardware kicks ass.

HA is something mandatory to be at the level of iPhone. I have my old Milestone (Droid) and when using Opera browser it flies, just because it uses HA. And i do not think that Opera digs into Motorola's proprietary hardware code to enable it.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Out of curiosity, does HTC Sense UI use hardware acceleration? The UI seems quicker and less laggy on my Droid Incredible with stock Froyo than stock Gingerbread on my Nexus One.
[General Topics] vnvman:
I guess not. Afaik only touch wiz on the SGS2 does.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
Definitely untrue. Look at the two most common complaints for Android: lag and fragmentation. People don't understand GPU acceleration, but they understand and can be annoyed by jerkiness and lag in navigation of the UI. Eventually with enough CPU power, most lag can be resolved but it's an overkill of resources. As WP7 showed, you can maintain a constant 60FPS on a first gen Snapdragon with a Adreno 200 GPU

The infamous http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
[General Topics] vnvman:
Lol my favorite...
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[General Topics] Bierce22:
why does this thread keep poping up seriously i want to know lmao
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I bruised the android-ego of the forums.
[General Topics] darbear5610:
You didn't bruise any ego here. I'm just a hopeless optimist about Ice Cream and HW acceleration.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I hope for the best for you guys I i hate to see expectations crash and burn.
[General Topics] majorpay:
I don't know about everyone else, but my expectations for the platform have been fully met. If scrolling text gets your knickers in a twist, then that's your thing. Not really mine.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
I would actually love to see a fully HW accelerated UI on andriod, I dont really think that the fragmentation on the hardware spec is the biggest issue. When google starts to add a requirement on later andriod versions Im sure all manufacturers and even 3rd party devs will follow.

Im no andriod developer but the can the HW acceleration on the UI be implemented using OpenGL or just basic optimization thats available in a good majority of mobile GPU's, pretty sure its not that hard to make, its just google not requiring any.
[General Topics] vetvito:
3rd parties already can, a lot of developers do implement HW acceleration. Its just the UI I

e. Google doesn't.
[General Topics] EarlZ:
Which 3rd party launcher has hardware acceleration aside from SPB ?
[General Topics] vetvito:
I was referring to apps and games.
[General Topics] Funnnny:
Stock browser from JVQ@Samsung has HW-Acc
[General Topics] Dany0:
once all even low-end phones will have standardized GPUs and drivers, then we'll have 100% ui acceleration.

I except in 2 years.
[General Topics] uberamd:
I too wan't to see all mobile OS's succeed because in the end, its good for the customer.

Having said that, I find that there is a lot of BS spewed by people here. I understand Android fanboys are out in full force everywhere (here, Engadget comments, Reddit, etc), however I think the fact that they are now zealots has clouded their vision. Yes, I said it, Android users have taken the title of zealot away from Apple fanboys. Android fanboys are now the most blind, thickheaded, smug group of people on the internet.

Before anyone calls me an Apple fanboy, let me stop you. My main phone is a Samsung Galaxy S2. My backup phone is a Nexus One. I have a rooted Nook Color running Cyanogen mod, and a Dell Streak 7 running Honeycomb. I have also owned over 25 Android phones, and am a registered Android developer. An Apple fanboy is something I'm not, but I'm also not a blind follower of Android.

The OP is right, after using a few Windows Phone 7 devices its clear that a OS can perform quickly provided it utilizes the hardware properly. Anyone who claims their Samsung Galaxy S2 is lag free is lying. I'm sitting here with my SGS2 and the browser is giving me tons of lag. I have restored, tried different roms, etc. They all lag somewhat. If you don't believe me, I'll make a video of me showing you the lag while giving you the finger. My WP7 devices (I have had a HTC Surround, HTC HD7, HTC HD2 running WinMo7, Dell Venue Pro, and now an Omnia 7) all had less everyday lag than the SGS2.

The SGS2 is actually rather disappointing to me considering the cost of the device. I purchased an unlocked Samsung Omnia 7 (WP7) for $320 that feels more sturdy and more lag free than the expensive SGS2. On top of that, the battery life on the SGS2 is absolutely horrendous. I read that someone said they went 3 days, stock rom. How, sir, did you manage that? Under moderate use (50 texts, some music, a few calls, reading some email) my battery is dead within 24 hours, beeping at me by 18 hours. So I find it hard to believe your phone went that long, it just doesn't seem possible, especially since the battery issues with this device are so well known.

I think its a shame that Android doesn't have that accelerated UI by now. Experiencing general lag makes a device seem dated much faster than it really is. Windows Phone 7 (my device runs Mango) is proof that even on a 1GHz processor you can have a UI with animated tiles that is still silky smooth. It shouldn't take a 1.2GHz dual core CPU to make Android seem smooth. Throwing CPU cycles at the problem hardly sounds like the right solution.

And please, I'm not an Android hater. As I said, I use Android devices all day long, but my eyes are open to the issues.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
If i could thanks that post 20 more times I would.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Android users are the most smug? O.S. users are the most smug. This thread would never exist if it wasn't for the smugness of the O.P. (quite brazen, if you ask me). The power of the Android (and ultimately the reason I didn't choose the O.S.) is the capabilities of this device. The indisputable champion of GPS usability on a phone, voice commands, voice recognition, multitasking, hacker friendliness, and memory management just to name a few of it's strengths.

And you guys whine because your text doesn't scroll fast enough? I'd like to see this implemented too, but to scream "Android doesn't compete because it's text doesn't scroll smoothly enough," is the epitome of a stereotype that has become the hallmark of the Mac fanboy - UNWARRANTED SMUGNESS - the kind of smugness that you won't find anywhere else.

Sure, WP7 users have joined this bandwagon because their device is about 2 years behind the curve (read: 10 years if we were comparing to PC growth). They have to in order to maintain relevance. Could WP7 become a major contender? Maybe. It depends on how locked down Microsoft wants to make it. Remember XBox 360? That's a modders nightmare because you have to stay one step ahead of the game to keep yourself from being locked out forever. That reality could just as easily be applied to this phone if Microsoft gets the wild hair to do it.

Enjoy your devices, but shut the hell up about how superior they are when the stuff that most of use our devices for on a daily basis are missing from them (or fractured at best).

You don't see these types of threads popping up from Android users, because *most* of us could give a rat's patootie. It does what we need it to do, and does it well. A hiccup in scrolling is so low on the things to ***** about, the only time it comes up is when some fanboy wants to flex his internet muscles.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Those threads never pop up from android users? Its clear you've never been to the wp7 forum. As far as the undisputed king of voice recognition and such I have to disagree with all but the GPS software which will be remedied with ovi maps. To the rest of the statement, windows phone without mango has put it alongside android and ios on the proverbial "curve" if not ahead. Microsoft certainly isnt just sitting around with their thumbs up their asses on this.

Edit: my thread was intended to be informative, for months we had android users post threads about every 15 minutes saying immature things like, "lol, you dont have copy and paste, your phone sucks."
[General Topics] majorpay:
Voice recognition? Oh man... I have been on a ski trip where a guy was tweeting and facebooking flawlessly using only his voice.

And no, I don't play around in the WP7 forum.

I know MS is dying to enter the market - they have to give away free games just to garner interest. Hell, in some countries, they even gave away complete 360s just to get people to buy the device (that would have actually convinced me, admittedly).

Bing will NEVER compete with google, and Microsoft maps will NEVER compete with Google maps - it's never happened on the internet, and it won't happen on a phone.
[General Topics] majorpay:
And just to gain some perspective - I am first and foremost, a .NET developer - I do it for a living. I would love for Microsoft to be the lead contender in everything, as it would make my life so much easier. I even gave the phone a second look in the Verizon store, but alas, it was not where it needed to be for a daily driver, and for the aforementioned reasons, I have my doubts it ever will be.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
ovimaps beats google maps 1000 times over though. As far as marketing goes, like you said they're late to the race and it doesn't help that it doesn't look like an iPhone so stupid people dont want it. That was one of the primary reasons android sold so well, not everyone is tech minded but if they could get something that looks like an iPhone for 200 dollars less why not?
[General Topics] majorpay:
People chose Google because of all the reasons I originally stated (and add open source).

As far as ovimaps is concerned? It's a Nokia product, not a Microsoft product, so if Microsoft decides to partner with another manufacturer in the coming years, say goodbye to that product.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
The Nokia CEO is a heavy investor in Microsoft so terminating that contract would be senseless at the very least, it'd be considered a full blown merger if not for political reasons. Hypothetical statements aren't pushing any buttons here, especially when it comes to a company with infinite resources. Not everyone is tech minded, a massive amount of people pick google because it's presented to the eye and often even by sales associates as a cheap alternative to the iPhone.
[General Topics] BennyJr:
My .02

I think it comes down to also the creator of the OS. Google was what a search engine for how long? Its just recently that they have started to expand. Now granted they have good developers and such but nothing like Microsoft or even apple who have been making software OS's for years. I think it comes down to experience and being able to find tweaks that maybe google hasnt found yet. I love android to death but i will by no means say it is the best. I think it still has a ways to go as far as smoothness and lag is concerned. But thanks to the OP im gonna go look up on WP7...lol
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
Maybe it's due to my lack of understanding how Linux, kernels, and drivers work in Linux, but if lack of set hardware requirements is the problem, why is this only an issue for Android when it isn't for a desktop OS like Windows?
[General Topics] majorpay:
When has Microsoft ever been tied to one manufacturer? OK, so if you are tech illiterate, then I'll concede that Android may not be the best way to go.

If you are completely tech illiterate, there are a lot of alternatives to a lot of things that you could take - for instance: A Mac - when is a Mac *ACTUALLY* superior to a PC - when you are a tech illiterate, like the whiz bang factor it gives you, and could care less about having a superior gaming platform.

Same goes for this. It's an old argument, and the fact that you created this thread says a lot as to the relevance. It's flame bait, and not very good for those of us that have experience with Android.

I have a $250 nook, sitting on my desk, completely modded to actually look like a tablet, with great performance, tethered to my modded Android phone for both GPS and WiFi (4g).

That's the power and flexibility you get with Android that you won't find anywhere else. WP7 isn't going to rule the world. You're just going to have to accept that and enjoy your device. Microsoft has been failing the mobile community for a decade now. That's the reputation they are *trying* to dodge here. Google has been wooing the mobile community for the past few years and has been extremely successful in doing so. Apple, admittedly, made quite the splash onto the scene as well.
[General Topics] Tone_:
Android maybe but Google isn't open source.
[General Topics] majorpay:
The answer is it falls on the devs. Could it be accelerated? Yes, and probably very easily. The problem is that the apps (like gmail) are not being written that way. If you can have epic graphics on games on this phone that are smooth playing, there is no reason the interface couldn't be written the same way. Perhaps it was done to eliminate any lag time in opening the app.
[General Topics] majorpay:
Which actually answers the entire question as to why it hasn't been done yet. In order for an app to maintain it's compatibility across ALL phones old and new, it has to maintain hardware capability neutrality. I suspect we will be seeing less of this as time goes on and demand goes up.