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[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Seriously, each .rdf deserves a new thread.

Btw anyone kinda expecting a perfect release considering how much they're testing this?

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[Epic 4G General] poit:
totally. is this place feels like it's run by the Soup Nazi!

Except for the modem I think EF02 feels close to perfect already.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Same here and about the modem, I read that, that's the reason for the delay they're fixing the modem. Honestly I can't wait

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[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
I'm trolling these forums 4 real. I just come back here to catch up on my drama.
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
+1 on each new rdf needing its own thread.

I didn't use to care about GB with Froyo about to hit for so long. But now the good reviews and Netflix, skype with video, etc. have me expecting my phone to be better at a year old. Imagine that, technology that *appreciates* in real world value. ;-)
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
We are in for some real treats the next couple weeks, stay tuned...

Edit::: Thanks to the OP, new .rdf = new thread, I'm on your side ;)

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[Epic 4G General] nimaim:
IIRC, I think you're one of the people here that have a reliable Sprint source. What does he/she say? Few more weeks?
[Epic 4G General] TexasLTE:
THX 4 that update ecooce and shane :)
[Epic 4G General] know.patience:
Word up, thanks to the OP, I had no idea about this update.

What do ya'll have, a google alert or something watching that url?
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Yup thanks shane! I'm looking foward to these treats ! :D

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[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
This one is the final version because it been 2 weeks since they tested this build..

The EF10 build was final, but they said, screw it we are moving to android 2.3.4. They baked Samsung Android 2.3.4 TouchWiz but in the process they did get bug.. Samsung waited 2 week for a new build because of the low number of bugs.
[Epic 4G General] shane6374:
That's some good news there.
[Epic 4G General] TexasLTE:
that is MORE good news ;)
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Thanks for the info Shane, Ecoce, Noobni. Minimods: how many of you have volunteered to Mod this forum (appears job is still vacant)? I dont know why a new thread rendering another obsolete is bad, then the MOD knows to delete or at least lock the last version's thread... seriously... need a mod, this daycare is getting outta hand. Its like all the Froyo 'news' on tech sites brought some real winners here with it. Go troll an Xbox thread. We all know search isn't PERFECT, and yes, this deserves its own thread. Can we get a mod in here to ban us some minimods???? Epic has enough BS in here as it is, it doesn't help attract new Devs to our device if they see a bunch of fools in here... can mods delete posts thereby reducing peoples thread count? Remove a thanks or two???
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
I've just been told video benchmarks are much improved!!!

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[Epic 4G General] Esteway.619:
Nice.
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
I hope GPS is much improved as well as it not locking up requiring a reboot.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Any bets on an EF "Gold" 29k ROM ;)

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[Epic 4G General] styles420:
Well, he titled the thread "troll fest" from the beginning...
[Epic 4G General] Neckberg:
+1

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[Epic 4G General] TexasLTE:
I'll be happy with a EF29 Frankenstein ROM ! :) ;) :)
[Epic 4G General] shane6374:
Actually no, I added the troll fest part to the title after about 20 posts, then changed it again after about 50 post.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
What does that mean? Video benchmarks?
[Epic 4G General] piscesjoey:
Good looking on this thread Shane!
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
I'm pretty hyped on the Epic GB release. While it will no doubt have some shortcomings, I think the userbase can be confident that we'll have one of the best stock Gingerbread builds in the Android market. It's a shame that there will still be a lot of hate for Samsung in here, considering it's shaping up to be a pretty solid lowest-common-denominator build of Android (which is what it's Samsung's job to provide).

More importantly, with ICS still a ways away, it means this is one of the rare times a bunch of Android users will have up-to-date software without relying on Cyanogenmod.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Meaning someone has the build and ran some benchmarks ;)

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[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
Correction: Tapatalk has a UI element with the word, "search" on it.

Calling it a "search function" is really stretching it. :D

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[Epic 4G General] TexasLTE:
Hmmm - wonder WHO that "someone" might be ????
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
Ah, I stand corrected - sorry for the mistake
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
Thaaaaank you! Yeah when I said it was impossble to search earier that was what I meant.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] nom303:
I'm late but Eat a ****...how's that for trolling! Lmfao

Thanks for the info shane!!!
[Epic 4G General] poit:
Pretty quite on the EF29 front. Any new info on whether this is really going to be released? (Hoping for July 18!)
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
All evidence points to the modem being the delay culprit. WDM says Sept is absolute latest. Check z's rumor thread. He stays on top of things.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I try to. Lol

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[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Just wanted to chime in with another "thanks for this thread" comment

Like others have said before me, if news of a new build for the Epic does not deserve its own thread, then VERY few things ever would, at least IMO

Nice Find!!
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Please make one thread where you exchange invites. It's getting annoying to see half of OTs first page filled with "Google +". I'd like the mods to remove all the threads, and keep one...speaking of which, this one will be gone also. lol
[Off-topic] k0sh:
wth , there is 4 threads about GOOGLE+ this section need vacuum machine .... :cool:
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Also, what I guess they don't realize, is that singups are closed for now, even with invites.
[Off-topic] k0sh:
lold , i already now asked someone to invite me :D
[Off-topic] jaszek:
I mean, you can do that, but not have 4589780 different threads.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Competition for Nokia is starting, which is great for us :)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/htc-eternity-leaked-1-5ghz-4-7-inch-display-front-facing-came/
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Yeah, just stumbled accross it on twitter. Pretty much reminds me of my next handset. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
4.7 and 1.5 Single core. Fake. Or 4.3 with overclocked 1ghz, real.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Happy with the CPU and front facing camera, not so happy with the screen size. That's huuuge
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Have to ask, what so special about this? Big screen, which could be too big and no AMOLED, slight bump in processor speed, typical crappy htc camera and of course inadequate storage. Heck even Dell now has 32GB DVP's. Since FFC's will likely come on most Mango handsets what has this got over a Nokia with a proven record in phone cameras and better build quality? Plus this looks like just another htc android handset so design wise again is behind Nokia. Add in Samsung and their Super Amoled II screens and this is not that impressive to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] -deuces-:
cmon htc......a screen that big needs an amoled display not SLCD. a sumsung device similar to the infuse 4g running wp7 will easily top this. in my opinion.

my next wp7 device must have and amoled screen and i was hoping it will come from htc, might just go Samsung or nokia depending on what tmobile picks up
[Windows Phone 7 General] -deuces-:
dude u read my mind.....plus freaking one!
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
A slight bump? It's a 50% bump. A 1.5 GHz single will probably outperform a 1 GHz dual core in most smartphone applications for the time being. This is the best CPU we can possibly get from this round of devices, I'm glad to see someone using it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I don't really care for this particular phone (4.7" is mad anyway) but I like the idea that OEMs are prepared to make better phones this time around. If anything this gets me excited for Samsung's next phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Can't say I would want this size of phone, though it does sound nice. 4.3" is as big as I would care to go.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DAyellow:
what a monster of phone

compared to the desire hd its again bigger:

http://versus.io/en/htc-eternity-vs-htc-desire-hd
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
Have you ever played with the Infuse? It feels somehow smaller than the Inspire yet the screen is massive and sooo beautiful.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
I've got a DVP (4" screen). The Infuse (4.5") makes my DVP look like Shaq to Vern Troyer. I can only imagine what a 4.7" screen would be like.

Anyway, that's overly large, for me anyway. I'll be looking at the next Samsung or more than likely Nokia, as Sammy is doin' wonky things with firmware.

But, I'll be keeping an eye out for the Acers and Fujitsus. All depends on what hits T-mobile. Either way, good to see that the OEMs are stepping up their hardware game, even if the designs aren't all that original.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lugi93:
Way to big, my max is 4" :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ruudfood:
Seriously, don't complain about 4.7". I have a 5" Dell Streak and it's perfectly pocketable and the browsing and gameplay experience is second to none.

Having said that, as much as Mango is a much more desirable release of WP7, I'd much prefer this device with Sense and Android Honeycomb.
[Windows Phone 7 General] igoen:
It will be better if HTC trim outside screen area so they can have 4.7" screen with smaller size than the current design
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
That's a freaking huge phone. Curious: when you say the dell streak is pocketable, do you mean in normal jeans pockets ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
A few of my colleagues have dell streaks, and no they are not pocketable. They use a belt clip to hold it to their waist.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
if the entire back panel was a battery, it would rock. too bad it won't be, and it will suck, like all phones' batteries do now.

someday they'll sacrifice being the thinnest for longevity. someday.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Complete bull****.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not really.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
Not sure for mobile, but yeah for desktop that can be true, depending on the quantity of silicon and logic they crammed in. You could do dual core celerons but still a 50% Ghz bump for a pentium would probably work better.

If I recall correctly 386 vs 486 'started' (not really maybe) this difference where similar architectures and processor speeds, could end up with very different performances due to coprocessor, cache, parity, bus speed, control registries, etc

So while I had a 33Mhz 386, my friend with a 40Mhz 486 nearly doubled the performance (can't recall exactly, it was 1990, all I remember is that I said "I want one", and never got it)

If the above is inaccurate feel free to contradict, I'm going by memory and I was a kid back then
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's pretty much accurate as far as I know. It's like trying to beat one old GeForce 8800GTX with a couple 8600GTs in SLI. The cost-to-benefit ratio is just way too off kilter for it to be a viable alternative.

Plus you add in the technical quality of particular brands of mobile CPUs. One brand of 1GHz CPU can outperform another brand of 1GHz CPU. So a lot of it depends on what the dual core is. I know the Apple iPad 2 dual core CPU outperforms...actually rapes, according to reviews...the nVidia Tegra dual core of the Motorola Xoom.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
according to reviews is something that I never trust, when apple is concerned, still could be true :) . Oh and put the same proc in the same phone but use android vs wp7 (as is the case with the first batch of phones). The difference is extreme !

I had a rambus based ASUS motherboard with a very decent CPU for ages, CPU clocks had skyrocketed before I changed it, it was still good. In a different and more funny fashion, my fanless PSU was probably the first being made without fan (re-made ? first computers were without fans in the psu right ? hey first pc had no detached psu module I think), it's rated at 300, but still works with recent hardware !!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
The biggest hurdle right now for smartphones is not processing power, it's compatability. Such as directx, opengl, texture support, flash support, silverlight, divx, mkv, I could go on for days. The point is, who cares if it's 50% faster if you can't do 50% more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Exactly. I was so glad to finally see a program use all 4 of the cores in my desktop. It seemed like forever for PC programs to work properly with multicore PC CPUs. dBpoweramp, a great media processing program, is superbly coded for multi-cores and when I saw all 4 cores of my QX6700, I was delighted.

I really can't see mobile multicore CPUs catching on for a while yet to where the average app maker can fully utilize their processing power.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
I have a pc built in 2008 that can still do everything I want (not just need, but want) to do. I can run the newest games at 1080p, I can decode/encode movies while still using my pc to do other tasks, etc.

I am waiting until the next generation adds functionality I cannot get with my current hardware, dx11 doesn't count because no one uses that anyway.

What I am saying is, just because it's faster doesn't mean it improves the user experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
I develop medical software on desktop and rarely found the need for more performance, still there were a few points which made me look into optimizing the software for the latest and greatest in hardware AND software. In the end, I've found out that it caused such hassle, that I reverted using only the baseline available on every computer, i.e. single core, .net 2.0, xp, etc

Meaning that both for software AND hardware it takes a looong time - without the proper compability tools - to establish the use of the latest technology. Of course it also depends on the needs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Because the average mobile app is going to keep two cores busy 100% of the time? Give me a break.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blacksoul0:
Why is it fake? The Mango certified MSM8x55 CPU is available with up to 1.5 GHz.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Its bull****. Who makes single core 1.5ghz CPU? A single core 1.5 couldn't even out perform a dual core 800mhz. That's a fact.

Especially when it comes to multi tasking. Believe it or not, all phones multi task.

Either way, facts are more than opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
Following that principle a Core 2 Quad Q6600 clocked at 2.4 Ghz, should outperform a Core 2 Duo E8500 clocked at 3.16 Ghz. But that's not the case.

It's not always like this of course, but neither the opposite
[Windows Phone 7 General] jotapm:
I like the screen size. But it's not amoled... so no thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blacksoul0:
Err, the HTC Flyer has a single core Snapdragon with 1.5 GHz ... And it doesn't matter what you think or why you think it's bull****, a single core 1.5 GHz ARM CPU exists, designed by Qualcomm, certified by Microsoft for Windows Phone and the same or other versions of that SoC are already used or are going to be used in other products, like the Pre3, Galaxy S Plus or Galaxy S2 Mini (running with 1.4 GHz, but still the same model). So much for your "facts".
[Windows Phone 7 General] mcorrie1121:
No microSD support? :( I just pray Nokia - or anyone else, for that matter - add in support for their phones. 24GB+ is what I want.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freypal:
+1 to This.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blacksoul0:
Windows Phone 7 wasn't build around removable storage. I'm sure you'll be able to buy a phone with 32GB when mango launches. Dell is already offering a 32GB Venue Pro at AT&T.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MrNetrix:
I have a microSD in my Samsung Focus...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That's an entirely different story. Entirely different rules and principles apply.
[Windows Phone 7 General] inorde:
I'm wondering how much it really matters if it's 2x1Ghz or 1x1,5Ghz, you will not be able to notice the difference in everyday use.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Its the "Geek Effect". Mine's bigger than yours... I have two, you only have one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dragon Queen:
I would rather get the Omega with a keyboard when/if it comes out. Similiar specs smaller screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] boris1366:
I would say ''no thanks'' to this one, heavily too big screen IMO, and for my pocket too. But the CPU is good although, 1x1.5 is nice. But I'm concerned about the camera, 'cause HTC is known to have a bit weaker cameras. But hey, maybe this one is better? :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Audio:
I'm glad it's not AMOLED. The Battery would last about 3 minutes. Until Manufacturers start putting in Bigger/better batteries there's no point having AMOLED on a screen bigger than 4". My Desire HD suffers terribly unless i have a basic all black background. Don't forget people colours and white's on AMOLED's though they look nice, take up to 3x more power than LCD.

And it doesn't matter if the CPU is Single core, Hex core, whatever. If the OS/apps aren't designed to make use of more than one core then Clock speed is all that matters. Personally i don't think there's any point in Dual Core CPU's in Smartphones atm, I reckon maybe in a year or two once the OS's and developers have had time to tweak and perfect the software for them then we'll start seeing big differences.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
desire hd is not amoled...slcd...

plus samoled does have better battery consumption vs. slcd

finally where's the proof that there is poor battery with samoled of that size? An argument can be made that (on android) battery life can be poor due to fragmentation but windows phones running the same specs use power more efficiently. This has already been seen...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I know my HD2 with WinMo always got better battery life than running Android. And it also had battery battery life than WP7. My HD7 was as bad as any Android. My Focus is just as bad as the HD7 for battery life and it has a Super AMOLED.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I always got between 11 and 13 hours on the samsung focus...I know after updating to nodo battery stayed the same

I know apps using push service killed my battery at first
[Windows Phone 7 General] Audio:
Haha. Holy crap. I stand corrected. Dunno why i thought the Desire HD has an AMOLED screen :confused:

But in regards to the battery life, there's numerous reports on the web about them. This site goes into hands on detail, and here's an example from Smartphone Blogging:

"Battery lifetime

As i wrote intentionally, AMOLED screens are SUPPOSED to have less battery consumption than LCD screens. But during the 2,5 months i used the Nexus One AMOLED device i was very disappointed. I couldn’t get more than one full day of usage from one battery charge, because the Nexus One battery died on me after about 18-20 hours of medium usage (emails, rss feeds, google sync turned on, 1 hour of WiFi, some internet browsing). This is worse than the battery life of my HTC Hero which sports a regular LCD screen. The reason is quite simple too, because AMOLED screens has less battery consumption for black colors, and more for bright colors. The difference of battery consumption between AMOLED and LCD screens is nearly nonexistent, as LCDs will have less battery consumption on bright colors, and more on black colors. So in the end the standby time will play out about the same."

Those Vivid colours need to draw more power to make them, well, vivid. Blacks are fine as the led is practically turned off in this state, so needs hardly any power.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
and I repeat

Now I admit I did have some issues with battery after a bit with my focus. I took it in to samsung and it turned out that the battery polling driver needed to be updated (a firmware update offered between nodo and security update)

For the weeks after that my battery life was great - and even better than the dvp I had which had a 14-17 hour battery life on nodo
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That really doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying it isn't true. I'm just saying that logic would dictate that an LCD with dark colors...like full black...would draw less power because the backlight is basically turned off in that state. With an LCD in bright colors, the backlight is on more.

On an OLED (OLED, AMOLED, SAMOLED), the pixel, itself, illuminates and there is no backlight. On an LCD, the pixel is un-illuminated and requires a backlight.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
http://www.digitalsignageblog.com/2...s-on-an-lcd-screen-use-less-power-than-white/

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-647668.html
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Still referring to the backlight. If an LCD is all white while in use, the backlight is fully powered. If an LCD is all black while in use, the backlight is powered off. There are two components to the luminance of an LCD: the pixel state and the backlight. In an OLED, there is one state: the pixel luminance. But with an LCD...the non-LED backlit ones...the baclight is powered off when the screen needs black. The LCD pixels may well be powered to produce all-black, but the backlight surely is not powered, in an effort to enhance the blackness of the display. And with the latest LED backlights, they are able to more effectively control the zones of luminace than with the CCFL type.

It depends on the amount of power each type of pixel requires to be in an active state. In an OLED, the pixel has to produce light. In an LCD, the pixel has to maintain its state and the backlight is either on or off. So if the maintenance of the state of an LCD pixel takes less power than the production of luminance of an OLED pixel. The LCD could conceivably use less power in certain states.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Audio:
I believe an LCD's backlight is on full power regardless of the colour displayed. If you take a HD7 for example into a pitch black room and get an all black screen (use an all black image as a lock screen background or something) and hold it towards a wall or the ceiling, you'll see it still produces quite a lot of light.

Other examples are when you turn LCD TV's or TFT's on. Most automatically show a black screen for a few seconds before actually displaying an image, and at this point it's blindingly obvious that the backlight is illuminated and the tv/monitor is not in an Off state. Basically if the screen is turned on, the backlight is turned on, regardless of the colour. It's the pixel's that determine whether it's black, white, or colour that is displayed

But back to my initial post, i guess it depends on how you use and set up your device. If you use the WP7 white background, or use apps which have bright colours or a lot of white, then an AMOLED screen is going to use considerably more power than an LCD.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
I know people are on screen technology now. But I also want to say that this reminds me of my next handset.

The Dell Streak would be awesome if it ran wp7. I'm due for a monster screen next.