yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] Peteryoung:
I know there are a lot of people out there excited about getting sense 3.0 on hd2 and all that jazz, but has nobody else noticed, the kingdom roms etc have dragged development on hd2 to an absolute crawl, we've completely dropped of xda's front page and to me it seems that its because everybody is doing the same thing and having the same problems doing such. Pretty much everything in nand development is now about trying to get camera working properly and remove graphic glitches from kingdom roms....really...do I need 15 different versions of the same rom ALL with EXACTLY the same issues, and all with EXACTLY the same time frame for resolution...that is to say, there is no time frame. I'm being a whiney little bugger I know, but seriously, and this is the worst thing I could ever say about xda...I'm bored! Its all the same and its all rubbish...I would much prefere if somebody would do me a favour and return to building a nice simple rom on which EVERYTHING works, just put some effort into that so when I see something interesting, I can just whip my phone out and take a pic, rather than having to explain to everyone nearby that my camera doesn't work because the rom was rushed out so I can have a shiny lock screen instead. The roms used to work 100%, but then everyone got carried away with sense lockscreens and quadrant scores....I don't care about any of those things...I would like a rom that just works all round. And before somebody makes a snarky comment along the lines of "if you want it so bad why don't you do it yourself?" Well...simple answer, I'm not smart enough, I love xda because we're an open community where talented people share their work freely just for the pleasure of seeing something that was never intended to be boot up on our devices...amazing! And I don't mind donating when something is GOOD, when it works and I appreciate the technical work that went in to make it work...not the technical work that went in to make it look pretty, at the expense of some fairy disastrous issues.

Please xda, enough with the benchmark willy waving competition! Please somebody just go back to making things that work rather than pretty...pretty useless...eyecandy!

And one final closer, I KNOW those issues are inherant to porting the kingdom rom...so here's an idea...ditch the kingdom rom! Just go back to desire base...yes maybe the quadrant score is only a third of newer roms...but you know what...the Desire roms FELT fast and smooth because they were simple and quite light on the cpu....all the new roms are slow and tooth grindingly stuttery and laggy, even with their amazing benchmark scores. So I say poo to benchmarking and active lockscreens...how about a working camera and a rom that actually FEELS complete?
[HD2 General] backlashsid:
yes...so why not starting today...make a ROM urself ???
[HD2 General] jianC:
We are all waiting for .35 desire kernel source from HTC?
[HD2 General] TheATHEiST:
No, that is because there are less top devs on the device now, Some have moved on to different devices.

Not at all, ist do to with view counts, posts created etc.

What you "need" has nothing to do with it, devs dont work on the roms because they have to, They do it because they WANT to, They work on what they "need" or want to and then share the work.

Correct.

Completely disagree, The work and progress done on the Sense 3 roms is amazing, Sorry you are too ignorant and ungrateful to appreciate that.

Then go and download one of the older non-sense froyo/GB roms like NexusHD2.

Well that's your problem, The fact that you are having to do this means that you are CHOOSING to install work in progress builds rather then more developed builds, Its your fault and your problem.

Err no they didn't, They was developed into a state where they eventually worked and the same will happen to Sense roms.

Then go download one?!?!

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sense Roms where never designed to run on HD2 and that is why they are been developed to do so! If you don't want to be patient or be part of the testing then that's your choice, go and download a simple stock rom!

Desire base has been ported already and doesn't need more work until the desire gets and update. If you like the desire base so much why don't you just stick to the roms already available? Ill tell you why because you enjoy trying new builds, again that's your decision but you cant then complain just because most of the devs are hard at work on what THEY want to work on rather then what YOU want them to work on!

I personally don't want them to work on anything else apart from the kingdom, why? because its down to personal preference just like yours, at the end of the day its upto each individual dev what they work on!

PS. Please go and learn how to use paragraphs and sentence breaks etc as it just gets on your nerves when trying to read big long blocks like that.
[HD2 General] jsmccabe78:
ugh. this crap again? really? another thread dedicated to complaining that xda isn't giving you everything you want yesterday? and what do you expect with this kind of "support" - developers to come running over to you and ask you what you want?

this is exactly, exactly, what pushes people away from here.

really, you should have stopped with "I'm being a whiney little bugger" and just left. really, no one is begging you to stay. you aren't contributing; you are detracting. go on; leave.

@ theatheist - your points (as usual) are right on
[HD2 General] TheATHEiST:
Seconded!

Ignorant people like this OP need banning.
[HD2 General] fred_up:
Ignorant people, like myself, don't need banning; they need educating - like in your first posting.

I don't tend to go for the latest development, but rather one that works well.

If I want to try out a different version of SD Android, then I read what the chef has posted and

all

the posts relating to that specific release version. If it states that the camera isn't working yet, then I'll leave it as I use the camera. If it is noted that Bluetooth doesn't connect properly to headset, then I would use it, as I don't Bluetooth.
[HD2 General] lukesan:
Playing the devil here:

At some point I can understand Peteryoung and I have seen several other people complain about this as well.

I have the HD2 just to toy around next to my E71 which makes it easy to say that I don't need a +90% working image. If something doesn't work tough ... and I will try another.

It would be nice to have the old trusty working roms like the one from Rafdroid updated to the latest working apps and all of the known fixes in 1 package.

I'm no developer but I am sure some of you could tweak the 'older' sense roms and incorperate all the latest working things. The GPS fixes are a nice example.

I personally applaud the devs in that thread for feedback and just trying to get it to work using feedback and interacting on it.

If the devs are focusing on newer type of roms, so be it and let them do it.

Lets face it, Android is fun on the HD2 but still it is a bit 'playing' around.
[HD2 General] Peteryoung:
A retraction

:o

Guys, I'm sorry :(

I think I was having a right cranky day when I penned that last grouchy missive.

I stand thoroughly ashamed and rightfully corrected on my last thoughts.

I really do appreciate all the work the devs put in for free here. I really do love the older desire roms and I guess I'm getting old, starting to refuse the changes of the times ;)

I take it all back, I guess I really should stick to what I know best and let the youngsters do what they do best...making NEW stuff, not old.

I must say, I feel a little aggrieved at the sheer vitriol my post gained in response, but hey I guess after I'd battered everybody else with my tirade - that's just what I deserve.

Anyway, I hope the community can find it in their collective hearts to forgive this old sinner - I promise I won't write any more critical tirades on xda any more! :o

Apologies xda, I love you really xx

Peteryoung

P.S - Was the paragraph structure a little easier on the eye this time round? ;)
[HD2 General] akapaul26:
Some just are not happy with ****...hey, you don't like it, move on back to WM6.5 where everything works. This is not a native android device so be lucky these developers are spending hours and days and more hours and more days so whiney ass spoiled brats like you can use their work for FREE. Be lucky you can even have ANDROID on the HD2! Another thing is there are plenty of what I consider perfect roms to choose from and many I have donated too.

Your apology is a joke you are still just acting like a *****...man up and get over yourself.... :mad:
[HD2 General] silverwind:
Exactly:)

we are at liberty to choose any rom available here irrespective of the development progress :D

it is fun to flash...Ah, I miss old time when I had to flash ROM 2-3 times a week :rolleyes:

Cheers...
[HTC Sensation] dvande:
Hey, I was lookin to get a new phone after my samsung vibrant got broken, I was thinking of getting the sensation at the 549.99 price from a tmobile store, but was also considering talking to my mom about getting an iPhone 4 at the 199.99 price and using the extra ~$400 to help pay for service on the new network (don't want to get it on tmobile because I couldn't live with edge all the time lol..) I was using my sisters iPod for the time being and it runs smooth and such and I'm liking the speed of it even though it's only the 2g one so I know the iPhone 4 would be much faster. What would you consder I do, I had the vibrant for about a year so I'm use to android but all my friends have iPhones and play there iPhone games together lol just looking for opionions on the matter.

Tl;dr - htc sensation or iPhone 4
[HTC Sensation] bobsbbq:
Join your friends, get a iPhone 4
[HTC Sensation] mahgninnuc93:
Dude,

I just got rid of my iPhone 4. And am SOOO FREAKIN HAPPY.

I had iPhones since the original roll out. While it may seem all cool and sexy be prepared to enter Apple's iron fist. Even jailbroken you ALWAYS have to be ready for Apple to update the firmware and if you aren't careful you end up in the same boat. Un-jailbroken with a phone that Apple wants not what you want. I'm using the G2x. And while there are some.flaws with the stock phone they can be overcome.

I also switched to simple mobile for my carrier. $60.00 monthly for unlimited everything. You wont touch that with att.

Say no to Apple my friend.

Mahgninnuc
[HTC Sensation] dvande:
Ya I was thinking about that i've always been against apple and there bland phones (Android has more eye candy IMO) and actually convinced my sister and her boyfriend to get androd tablets (galaxt tab 10.1 and moto xoom respecetivly,so I'm prly gonna end up getting the sensation.

Bit ot from the op but how might I bargain down the price/get free assecorys fr the tmo reps?
[HTC Sensation] jtroye32:
I was going to go with the G2x, it has quality control issues. Then it was the sensation, it has the locked bootloader nonsense.

Depending on if HTC unlocks the bootloader shortly, or devs find a way, will be the deciding factor on the sensation. And I mean in the next couple weeks. If not, then I'm waiting on the next Nexus phone that's coming this holiday season with ice cream sandwich. It's going to be a MONSTER. Actually, I think I'll just wait..
[HTC EVO 3D] nolabowler:
Anyone know or want to confirm the rumors of the unlocked Evo 3D that will supposedly work on att 3g network?
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
Evo 3d should be hitting Europe next month.... so, all you gotta do is import one and you're set.
[HTC EVO 3D] vWvSTATICvWv:
You're not set, bc the GSM models don't support US 3G bands. You can import it and be on edge and wifi if you like ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] clutch_08:
Yup 3g wont work only edge
[HTC EVO 3D] Android.Junkii:
EDGE? :eek:
[HTC EVO 3D] Leoisright:
No one can even confirm an unlocked 3D yet.
[HTC EVO 3D] netarchy:
That's not entirely accurate. The spec sheet lists it as supporting the right bands for 3g on T-mobile ;D
[HTC EVO 3D] jake.hickcox:
Why would you want an EVO3D on the 2 worst networks in America?
[HTC EVO 3D] vWvSTATICvWv:
Where's my kernel at? LoL I don't recall seeing that....Besides the lists and bands I've seen, I just find it super hard to believe Sprint would allow it's flagship phone to be on another carrier in the US. Granted, only a handful of people would actually pay that import cost or even know it's possible for that matter. An iPhone on every carrier next year will be enough :p
[HTC EVO 3D] netarchy:
The GSM model is slated for vodafone in europe, one would have to import it.

And as for a kernel, there's no sources from htc, nor do I own an evo 3d to work on ;D
[HTC EVO 3D] vWvSTATICvWv:
HAHAHA I know, just messin with ya! Glad to see ya around and kickin :)

Are you planning on getting the E3D?
[HTC EVO 3D] netarchy:
The only way I'll have an e3d is if one magically appears in my possession somehow. I don't have sprint service anymore, so the only reason for me to have one would be to dev on.

That said, a good portion of teamwin have the e3d, it's definitely gonna be gettin some love.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] skye206:
I'm in a 3g area and my upload speed is always higher than my download speed is that normal ?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] kcato:
What app are you using?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] skye206:
Speedtest.net app

An also trying to upload a screen about of it thru the xda app but am getting an error message that it's not a valid image format I was uploading before just fine.

Am thinking it's my fault but I don't remember changing anything I can still upload the same pics I uploaded earlier
[T-Mobile LG G2x] kcato:
I would have thought download would be faster. It is in my download programs. But every speed test program I ran, showed an upload rate almost double what the download rate was.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] skye206:
I just spoke to a rep over the phone and he says it's a good thing
[HTC EVO 3D] Farnk:
Does anyone know if there is an addon for the android SDK for the EVO 3D? I can't find stereo 3D APIs in the standard SDK, and searching for the EVO 3D on the official google dev site comes up with nothing.
[HTC EVO 3D] Farnk:
After doing a little more searching it looks like HTC is launching their own dev site called HTCDev. It looks like the stereoscopic API stuff is going to be included as part of the OpenSense SDK. Unfortunately they don't say when the program will be launched.

I wonder if that means that once they unlock the bootloader and I install a clean ROM with no bloatware I'll loose the 3D functionality.
[HTC EVO 3D] mr.orange303:
The EVO 3d destroys it. The 3d is not as fast. But everything else is magnitudes better.

Sense is great. Yeah I said it.

This is my favorite phone I've ever owned.

From the g1 to the galaxy s to the g2x.

This thing beats them all.

Btw no problems at all so far.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kgoerbig:
Have a HTC Evo.

Android Version 2.3.4

2.6.38.8 Tiamat Evo v4.05 kernel

gingerbread-evo-deck-1.2

Is there anyway to disable the swipable lock screen for incoming calls? It's a pain when driving. Even in car mode it's not disabled. I tried "no lock" but that did not make a difference.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lil-tom7:
i dont think you can do that
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] King_Leonidas:
Well you really should not be answering your phone when you are driving. :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
I'll say this from the start, I'm a total newbie when it comes to smartphone rooting, modding and developing.

So today I decided to go ahead with my Bell mobility HTC Desire Z and get it rooted.

I read through the forums ans all the threads related to desire z and vision phones.

Knowing that I had a version of 1.84 I knew that a downgrade was the only way for me. Got a goldcard created, downgraded to 1.34 got all the nifty tools and finally rooted the phone permanently and loaded Cyanogen mod7.

All this to say that the	Xda community put up some damn fine guides.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ptesmoke:
Right on dude grats, total new device on cm7.

Im also on a bell dz but on the rogers network. Loved the look on the bell reps face when i told her i was gonna use it on rogers and she laughed at me, 2 hours later i went back to make her eat her words...it was priceless.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Athrun88:
Welcome to the community and great on you to root and load up a custom rom. I also have the Bell DZ but on the Telus network running Virtuous G-Lite. Few people would do what you did (patience and reading before acting) so props to you!

Have fun with the device
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
Thx guys!

Definitely noticed that it's running faster with Android 2.3.3 also. I'm quite happy with the modification.

Had to test it on mine first before I started playing with my friends DZ... he's been hounding me to do it for a few weeks.

I had free time on my hands and I honestly have to mention that I did screw up once on the initial rooting, took a second pass at it and figured out what I did wrong.

It's been running fine since 3pm EST yesterday. Had to load all my apps again which was a pain at first but it's slick now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
Hi im sort of a newb to this and im in the same situation as you. can you help me with rooting my bell htc desire z? i used a guide to create a goldcard. but when i got to the step that needed the misc.img, it said u need super user. but i didnt have root or temp root and visionary dosent work to temp root. how can i pass the step of finding the misc.img and changing it?
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
All right which part are you stuck at. I need the link to the guide your following... After I created my goldcard there's a process using hxd hexeditor to make some changes to your IMG file that you'll need to save to the SDcard top header so that when you try to use PC10IMG.zip will validate correctly and allow you to downgrade.
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
This is the processed I fallowed to get my Goldcard.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=832503

Part 1 GoldCard

1) Format the microSD card to FAT32 format (in card reader).

2) Put the microSD card in your device and boot it.

3) Open Up an ADB shell this doesnt need to be ran as root.

4) Enter 'adb shell cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc2/mmc2:*/cid' and press enter. You should get a very long number copy it.

5) Visit this page, paste in your number and reverse it.

6) Visit this page, enter your reversed number and create your goldcard image, which will be e-mailed to you.

7) Open the HxD hex editor. If you are using Windows Vista or Windows 7, you must run the application as administrator.

8) Go to the 'Extra' menu and select 'Open Disk'. Under physical disk, select Removable Disk (your microSD card), uncheck 'Open as Readonly' and click OK. Note that you should select physical disk NOT the logical disk. This is important!

9) Go to the 'Extra' menu again and select 'Open Disk Image'. Open the goldcard image that you received by email.

10) You should now have two tabs - one is your removable disk, the other is your goldcard image. Press OK when prompted for 'Sector Size' (selecting 512 (Hard disks/Floppy disks)) and click OK.

11) Click on the goldcard image tab. Go to the 'Edit' menu, choose 'Select All' then select the 'Edit' menu again and select 'Copy'.

12) Click on the 'Removable Disk' tab. Highlight offset (line) 00000000 to offset (line) 00000170 (including the 00000170 line), then click on the 'Edit' menu and select 'Paste Write'.

13) Click on the 'File' menu and select 'Save', accepting the warning.
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
This will allow you to be able to use PC10IMG.zip to be able to downgrade to 1.34. From that point on fallow this guide:

http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php...cess_.28Permanent_Root_.2F_.22Permaroot.22.29

Point #7.

Hopefully this helps you.

-/ I'm located in Ottawa so if your in my city I could help you out. Cheers mate.
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
well were somewhat near by. im in toronto, ontario lol. ok i got past that step but the step im stuck on is when i go into the boot loader after i created a new misc.img, it says no image or wrong image?
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
Morning mate.

You actually need the PC10IMG. Zip on your sdcard root that's the recovery OS
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
i do have it on my sd card rooot. but i downloaded as the zip file from a friend because i couldent find the zip file from the ruu
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
also since were in the same timezone, do you think you could stayonline for a few minutes to help me?
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
I'm not home. But if you followed the goldcard process once in recovery it should detect the img file and verify it before asking to complete recovery.
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
I followed the guide exactlly, and everything was good until part 4 where i had to go into bootloader. i copied the pc10img file to the root and when i do the hboot, it says checking for imp then it says no img or wrong img.
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
All right then you haven't done the goldcard process correctly. Did you use the hxd hexditor to open the misc.img file and copy the top part as indicated to the sdcard header on the hexditor tool?
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
i think i did it right but il try again and get back to you thanks
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
ok one quick question. i have the wwe ruu. once i run that, where do i find the .zip file on my computer?
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
Having any more luck?
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
no, i think i can solve the problem if i can just find the original .zip file from the 1.34.405.5 ruu. everytime i run it i cant find the .zip file. i have been using another one right now. where do i find the .zip file?
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
Hey,

I wouldn't know since I didn't get the ruu pack. I just downloaded the PC10IMG. Zip file.
[G2 and Desire Z General] evilcuber:
Thanks for you help!!!!! I downgraded sucessfully and im going to root soon!!!! :)))))
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
No problem bud! Just hit the thanks button beside me :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] ptesmoke:
Woot woot for rooted dz canadians!
[G2 and Desire Z General] fluxgfx:
It's working great so far!