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[Thunderbolt General] Dnakaman:
Ya, I hear you on this one. I was with T-Mobile for about 14 years. Got the G1 when it came out, upgraded inbetween and finally ended up with a G2 (I do miss physical keyboards).

Anyways, pretty sad that I had a 4G (term used lightly) and not only couldn't get 4G where I lived, but didn't even have 3G either and was stuck on edge.

So I switched to VZW and I get 3G everywhere (don't have 4G yet where I live).

So finally, I go on a cross country trip from Kansas City to So California (have done this before for vacation). Lo and behold...I was quite impressed with the coverage I had all throughout the trip. 3G virtually everywhere (even in the mountains) and the 4G (Denver, Vegas and Cali) was absolutely wonderful. With T-mobile, most of my trip would have been no data or edge(1x) at best.

The saddest thing is that my 3g speed on VZW is faster than my 4G speed was on T-Mobile.

So like you sad, I would not give up the great coverage to save a few bucks.
[Thunderbolt General] CryForJustice:
This really is quite nice.

Verizon has given me the shaft here and there when it comes to troubleshooting issues I have with service and such, but they have been pretty reliable otherwise.

I kind of think this shows they have faith in their service, at least enough to give people the option of leaving at will.
[Thunderbolt General] weezin9980:
I have had Verizon for a few months. It's been a good experience so far. Signal is good. Prices are a little higher..... But you get what you pay for.

Was on att for 10 years.

CM7 RC 06
[Thunderbolt General] l7777:
To all those who wish to up and jump ship I say, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. No carrier will make everyone happy, if VZW is not for you, who are we to tell you to stay? Hopefully your next carrier will treat you better. In then end, they all want nothing other than your $$. For me, VZW has provided consistently better service than AT&T.
[Thunderbolt General] Xpiatio:
Here is the link from Droid Life: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/2...th-no-termination-fee-now-may-be-your-chance/
[Thunderbolt General] joshnichols189:
Thank you sir for the inspiration. I will be joining your free phone crusade on the first ;)
[Thunderbolt General] Mustang302LX:
My thoughts exactly. I just came from AT&T and had a "4G" phone and was LUCKY when I'd get 3G. What a POS company they are and what POS service they have around the country. I've been on VzW for about a month and I've never had less than 3 bars of 3G yet! Plus their LTE is freakin retarded fast. I can deal with their customer support because typically I don't need them for anything.

If you want to go peace out thanks for the extra bandwidth! :)
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
What he said ^^^^ :)

Mustang and I came over around the same time. I actually paid a cancellation fee with AT&T I was so fed up. Happy I made the switch. My Inspire 4G was more like 2.1G.
[Thunderbolt General] selders59:
Well I am not on Verizon, I have been on Sprint since '97. Thinking of switching cause the service is getting crappy as hell. Data is constantly going in and out. And for the plan I have with 5 phones Verizon isn't that much more. I keep reading about how satisfied folks are with their data coverage.

"Hell I don't know anymore"
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
My advice is to come on over before tiered data kicks in. Sprint was actually my second choice, happy with vzw though.
[Thunderbolt General] l7777:
It's time to jump if you want a chance at keeping unlimited data. Unfortunately only the tech savvy can see that 2GB is not enough going into the future of cloud based services just as 150MB was not enough when data services were just starting to be offered. That said, if you're a heavy data user, VZW seems to have the best network for you.
[Thunderbolt General] zeeza57:
I have tried all but TMobil over the last 10+ years. Had verizon back in early 2000s . Changed to sprint because verizon service was terrible. Had sprint 2 yrs then ATT or cingular as it was then, 2 yrs then back to sprint. Dumped sprint 2 1/2 yrs ago because of very terrible service areas and customer service really bad. Went back to verizon ( swore i would never do ) and plan on staying quite a while longer. 2 yrs more for the T Bolt . Seems each of these companies over time become too big and gready for their own good . Then the consumer speaks and they loose money. Its a wild ride if we can hold on for it. True verizon is on its too big for its own good ride agian but untill service areas become really bad or prices are for the millionare only, I will stay put for next 2 yrs with my locked in $30.00 unlimited data plan and see what happens.
[Thunderbolt General] Dnakaman:
Ya, I thought about going to Sprint as well, but I just didn't like the fact that they were going to charge me 10 dollars extra a month if I got a 4G phone, even if there was no 4G coverage where I lived.
[Thunderbolt General] tekhna:
I'm not sure why anyone would leave Verizon. Coming from Sprint, it's heaven over here.
[Thunderbolt General] jgalan14:
I say you swicth before unlimited is gone trust me it isgonna be more. But 4g is worth it and it dowsnt waste your battery like wimax does for real look at the scrennshots

That's 3g not bad considerng the area didn't haveas good signal

4g without even. Trying at home I get up to 20mbps which is great and even morein some areas and doesn't kill the battery like wimax on my og evo
[Thunderbolt General] Mustang302LX:
I was planning on sticking with god awful AT&T but then got the chance to switch to VzW and save money each month so I jumped on that! I too had to pay to get out but ported my numbers and now I actually get signal and I'm not embarassed to say I have a 4G device lol.

P.S. - I'm not knocking the Inspire as I LOVED the actual phone (minus the idiotic camera design).
[Thunderbolt General] 06ms6:
This isn't Verizon giving people the option to leave just because they are confident in their service. All carriers increase rates like this and have no choice but to let you leave if they insist on keeping the extra charge.

I don't see why they won't just waive the extra 3 cents for customers who try to cancel because of this for the remainder of their contract.

Worth a shot for those who want out though.
[Thunderbolt General] cigar3tte:
Maybe they're trying to get rid of grandfathered unlimited data plans. :D
[Thunderbolt General] altimax98:
Ive got my mother in law and grandmother in law that need feature phones, and im gonna call and see what freebies I can get, and say that ill just take my four lines elsewhere if they dont want to give me something.... free Inc2 or Tbolt for the wifey?
[Thunderbolt General] Sub-Standard:
Verizon is not going to lose contracts in hopes of gaining $00.36 per year....

Anyone currently under contract who complains will simply get the $00.03/month waived. That's if they even attempt tack it to existing contracted customer's bill. Do you really believe that they would grandfather in unlimited data plans but refuse to grandfather in a $00.03 savings per month on your bill?
[Thunderbolt General] 06ms6:
Not sure why you quoted me when I said basically the same thing, but okay.
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
been wit the big V since the TB launched...no compliants just an expensive ass bill:D....even if I wanted to leave that getting out of your contract for 3 cents seems like cheating to me
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
It's not cheating. A deal is a deal.
[Thunderbolt General] Hemorrdroid:
Actually I came from sprint, got out of my contact from them because of the same thing. No offers to waive the fee.
[Thunderbolt General] TheMan876:
I tried and failed.

Called them. After denials and me reading them the contract I got it kicked up to a Manager. He told me they were going to credit the difference, therefore there would be no materially adverse effect and therefore I couldn't cancel without an ETF. He was kind of a **** about it too.
[Thunderbolt General] yareally:
Should have threatened them with the FTC. The rule you can get out of your contract comes from the FTC, not verizon. If you really wanted to push it, just start citing that and look up the law.
[Thunderbolt General] Sub-Standard:
FTC laws basically state that the wireless companies can't start charging you you additional fees while you are already contractially agreed to a different amount.

Verizon's terms of service contract states that they are allowed to do this by "allowing" you to exit the contract without any penalties. This isn't their choice to "offer you this", this isn't a kind gesture of some sort, this is the law.

If you call them within the same billing cycle and they say that they will allow you to stay at the same billing price, then they are not breaking their end of the contract, and therefor they are not legally bond to let you out of contract for no reason.

On the otherhand, the other situation that you might run into is if the first person that you speak to is new, or an asshole, or a moron and grants you leaving contract before crediting you the $00.03 monthly to your bill. If a representative assures or promises you something, a manager will almost alwqys stick to that promiseif you persist. In that case, even if the manager offers to waive the additional $00.03/month, if you refuse & push it, they will most likely let you out of contract, even if they are not legally bond to do so, just to stand behind their own word.

In short, if they offer to waive the $00.03/month before they agree to let you out of contract, then they are not legally obligated to let you exit the the contract withou an ETF, since the are not making a chang to your bill that has an adverse effect. If the first csr that you speak to does not offer this, and says that you can exit conract, then verizon managersthey will almost slways stand behind
[Thunderbolt General] Sub-Standard:
The manager was completely correct. If there is no material adverse effect on you, then they are not breaking their end of the contract, and therefor they are not required to let you break your end of the contract.
[Thunderbolt General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Worked for me. Had to give back the phones from the two lines I canceled, but meh, that does seem fair, they sold for less than the ETF anyway, hell, one was a dare that I threw on the line after I sold the DINC for the TB :p I attached the 'guide' I used. In the end I only got to the second level up, I said, "I understand you may not have the authority to decide this, however, as you agree, all my arguments are valid, so to not let me out with no fee is a violation of contract by Verizon, and I understand that you can't speak for Verizon to say they are violating their own contract, may I please speak to YOUR supervisor?" Then they offered me out with the equipment return :)
[Thunderbolt General] jgalan14:
So they didst give you any problems ?
[Thunderbolt General] jmin9012:
If i call them up, what would I say? Is it about the Grandfathered 4G plan?
[Thunderbolt General] booda3000:
Called 4 times to ask for no etf. They gave me $60 off the next bill.

Everyone plz call and threaten Verizon. Make them think twice about raising prices!
[Thunderbolt General] mAlfunkti0n:
That's a pretty funny statement!
[Thunderbolt General] booda3000:
Power to the people!
[Thunderbolt General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
They gave me a little grief, the first time I was on the phone for about an hour all together, got the run around from the 1st person, got the run around from her supervisor, then 2nd person said she'd have her supervisor call me in 24-48 hours. I never got a call, it was this last weekend so I didn't expect it. I didn't want to wait too much longer cause I have one line left and it needed to be changed to a single plan, didn't want teired data on it. Called in today, was only on for 20 minutes, the 1st guy's supervisor gave in.

Every single person I spoke to was very professional and polite. Most important thing, DO NOT tell them you are canceling for any other reason.

The file attached to my earlier post has all the relevant arguments and bits from their contract, if you want to try this, print it out, be familiar with it. They can't do anything bad to you for trying, so there's no harm in it.
[Thunderbolt General] Deltaechoe:
If i wasn't getting grandfathered in on the unlimited plan, then i would jump ship right away. I easily exceed verizon's highest tier by twice on just 3g (rhapsody and netflix are bandwidth killers). But sprint's coverage where i live is so god awful and i'm getting LTE by the time i get back home from vacation so it would make little sense for me to kill my current contract.
[Thunderbolt General] booda3000:
DeltaEcho,

Threaten Verizon with the contract.

U can get some goodies from them
[Thunderbolt General] jlmassey:
Sure they will give u a gate. They want you to see others and how ****ty the service may be or the phones. and when you come back you'll be paying double for the data :)
[Thunderbolt General] jlmassey:
I got new service with verizon 2 days ago. I am safe from the tiered data plans yes ? Or no ? or not sure ? I got it than because i didnt want to pay those prices!

Let me know thanks!
[Thunderbolt General] crazyhtown:
As a verizon supervisor I'm getting a kick out of this thread
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
Why in the world would you do this? Sounds retarded...
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
They can't... Are you telling me this discussion has started again... Uhh god. YOU ARE GRANDFATHERED IN DON'T WORRY FOR THE LAST FRIGGIN TIME...
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
what he means is if people opt out over the 3 cents per month, then they can't come back later and get unlimited data. He is wondering if its verizon's way of knocking off some unlimited customers, who they think will be back in a year or 2, after realize how good they really had it on Verizon.

Doesn't apply to me, just joined 2 weeks ago. I could still cancel if I wanted to.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
Ahh. I see.
[Thunderbolt General] jonagpa:
So what kind of options do I have?

I want to stay with Verizon but I would like to get as much out of them as possible. Maybe I can terminate my contract with out closing my line? Is that possible?

Would that do me any good? Would I be able to upgrade AND keep my unlimited plan?

If not I see some people got extra discounts, would I be able to get that?

If you guys called and got something other than the waved ETF please post it up, it be helpful for everyone.
[Thunderbolt General] dajogejr:
No. You either have to have it ported forward into another carrier or you lose the line. They won't just "hold" it for you.

Instead of the usual threatening phone call they get (I'm gonna leave you if you don't do XX for me...) call them.

Tell them you like their phones and service...but the monthly bill is becoming a chore. Do you offer any discounts or savings that would apply to you (Credit Union member, certain insurance companies, Discover card, etc.)

Tomorrow is the cutoff for unlimited data. If you're happy with the service and speed...be careful how you play your cards. You could end up getting screwed in the end....
[Thunderbolt General] jonagpa:
Well I already got some crazy discount, I get 15% empl disc and $10 unlimited data per phone (2 total), I really got nothing to complain about but they deff have screwed me before so... If you guys got any ideas
[Thunderbolt General] itsnoahyo:
Yeah I have a G2 through t-mobile and my friend has a vzw droid. We went on a road trip in april and he had voice connectivity waaaaaay more often than I did. I don't know about verizon's lte, but there's definitely something to be said for their overall coverage.
[Thunderbolt General] plambda:
I was considering waiting for Evo 3D but didn't want to jump ship from VZW.
[Thunderbolt General] dajogejr:
Wow...You've got a discount and 10 unlimited data for each phone because they've screwed you before. I'd say they made up for it.

You're still looking for more?

Wow....some people are just never satisfied I guess....:rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
Totally worth it IMO, my plan was to use the Sprint porting credit to get two months free service, and sell Sprint my ThunderBolt ($175) to pay for most of the Evo 3D. Didn't work out that way at all, I didn't get in to Sprint fast enough to port the number and Verizon wanted my TB back. Still, I think the 3D is worth it, if not for the 3D gimick, for the processor :) it has GingerSense3.0 stock, and nothing against BAMF, but way smoother.
[Thunderbolt General] nrfitchett4:
to bad it doesn't have lte and here in san antonio, I get at least 3x the speed using lte vs sprint 4g.
[Thunderbolt General] SWhetsel:
Has anyone actually done this? Just curious if it was even true or another droid life rumor.
[Thunderbolt General] dre4402:
Dont know if it was posted yet didnt feel like going thru the pages but you will have a tough time trying to get your etf waived you will ive already dealt with some of the customers people chances get ruined when the info is posted on forums and blogs because people high in vzw are watxhing so for you who will try be prepared to pay an etf or get pissed off because it didnt work....
[Thunderbolt General] clintonroche:
It is only 58 posts. Not that many to read thru. ;)

It should work they either have to credit you the $0.03 per month or let you out of your contract. Terms and conditions of the contract are pretty cut and dry. They can however try and temp you with freebies or try and stonewall you and hope you just pay it. Call back enough times and I guarantee you will get at least the $0.03 credit. for me it isn't worth the trouble my coverage is excellent and it isn't material enough of a fee change.
[Thunderbolt General] USSENTERNCC1701E:
If I had LTE I definitely would have stayed, as it is neither Verizon nor Sprint will their respective 4G's where I live till late 2012.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
Project ended, device is dead :(

English translation in the next post.

Download links in the third post

One thing to know (okay, 2 :p ) this is an english forum, so please, reply only in it. By the way, sorry for my poor english, which could be better :o

Bonjours a tous !

Je vous presente mes 2 versions des rom Ocarina, une lite, avec Sense 2.1, ainsi qu'une version avec sense 2.5.

Ocarina ROM V0.9 Lite

Rom avec Windows Mobile 6.1 ainsi que Sense 2.1

Opera 9.7

Stable, rapide, légère

Quelques tweaks

F.A.Q :

Les favoris dans touch flo ne sont pas modifiable !?

La raison est que Opera 9.7 n'enregistre plus les favoris au meme endroit, pour remplacer ca, j'ai ajouter des racourcis en plus.

Merci a RR33 Pour son theme

Ocarina ROM V0.9 sense

Windows mobile 6.1 avec HTC Sense (ne marche pas actuellement, en cours de resolution)

Rapide, stable, un peu moins légère :D

Quelques tweaks

Si quelqu'un arrive a resoudre mon probleme avec htc sense, je suis preneur, je n'y arrive pas actuellement. Sense n'arrive tout simplement pas a demarrer !

Contactez moi si probleme ! ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
Hello everyone!

I'm happy to present to you my first two ROMs. I call them the Ocarina ROM. Both use Windows Mobile 6.1. I find this to be better for professionnel use.

The first one is a lite version with Sense 2.1. The second will contains HTC Sense 2.5. I'm still trying to make it work with build 2012.

Ocarina ROM V0.9 Lite

Rom with WM6.1 and Sense 2.1

Opera 9.7 which is faster and better than 9.5

Fast, stable, light

Some extra tweaks

F.A.Q :

WTF?? It's impossible to change the favorites in the internet tab !!

It's because Opera 9.7 doesn't save favorites in the same place as opera 9.5. It's now saved in the same folder as Internet Explorer (\Windows\Favories).

To "solve" this, I added some more links in the Internet tab.

Ocarina ROM V0.9 sense

Doesn't work just yet. Sense doesn't start. Coming soon!

Windows Mobile 6.1 with HTC Sense 2.5 build 2012

Fast, stable but heavier :o

Contact me if you encounter a problem. :)

Sorry for my poor English.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
FLASHING YOUR DEVICE CAN DAMAGE IT. DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISKS

How to flash it :

Firstly, get the SPL unlocker here

Use it as describted in the post, then flash my rom.

Downloads :

Ocarina ROM Lite

Ocarina ROM Sense
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bigchrizzieboy:
Welcome :) & Good luck

Hi,

Not the Rom for me (english and start menu on bottom used)...

Anyway, just wanna welcome you and wish you good luck :)

Always nice to see some new cooking
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
Thank you :) nice to see some peoples suporting use :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
It's always wonderful to see new chefs pop up in here. I look forward to following your development. We were missing someone to cook a 6.1 ROM again. You are now the only one using it.

Bonne chance! :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
Thank you ! :D

But i'm actually not at home, and I didn't find a way to take my kitchen with me... I'm using mac (with an imac at home with mac os/windows and an iBook wich is to old for installing windows on it) I come back home at 11 august, so you will have to wait... Maybe, after solving the sense probleme, I will try to make a WWE version ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HRQ.SLV:
That would be great!

I would love to try your ROM.

Thanks in advance!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
What I can do, is making quickly the lite version in WWE before solving the sense probleme (should not be long, just unpack the WWE official rom with sense and with 6.1 and add my few packages...)

Any way, you will have to wait a month ! can't do it before :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HRQ.SLV:
Thanks!

Just take all the time you need... ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
Hello, no, the rom isn't abandonned.

I'm currently building a new version of my FR rom, and also, WWE !

Let's see, maybe online wednesday or tomorow if I have time ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
WWE rom now availible
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
nobody to try it ? :'(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HRQ.SLV:
I'm going to try it... as soon as I've got some free time (a lot of work right now)!

Wich ever my conclusion may be, I'm already greatful for your dedication and work.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
i'm sorry, I just wanted some reports about my begin :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] husam666:
hey cool, I will try it when WWE version is released :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
it's actually done ^^

Just click on the download link. You will then see a button with wwe download under the "telechargement" button on my website ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] husam666:
lol ok, i wonder how i missed that part xD

thx dude
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
no problem ;)

thanks for futur replies :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] husam666:
OK, I've been running this for a few days now, battery management is excellent on the latest radio, fast, smooth and stable, good job
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Link1993:
thanks a lot for your return :)

I'm still working on it, when I have time for... I'm at school, and doing my driving license, so I haven't so much time :s
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] husam666:
ur welcome

it's ok dude, totally understand

anyway, can you cook this cab in your next release, it is a 1 percent battery driver, i don't know where i got it from so i'll just attach it