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[Windows Phone 7 General] noelito:
its all good, i dont mean to complain about a beta release of mango, this thread is about our initial thoughts on wp7 infancy multitasking

as for winmo6.5 apps running in the background i didnt mind them at all if it slowed down, i simply restartedd the phone and as far as battery power, i switched out batteries all the time like im doing now, battery power conservation is of no concern to me and i hope more people catch on to that, simply buy an extra battery and wall chager and swap out accordingly

heck i leave one at work and one at home and i never charge my phone ever
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Oh I hear you, but sadly MS must make the OS meet the average consumers need for it to be a success in the market. Most consumers are sadly computer illiterate so they have to dumb everything down so to say... Sucks for us power users/techies...
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
correct

Sent from my Windows Phone Mango Focus using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dyskmaster:
uuh, u only need to swipe twice to have it scroll through the open apps. try it, swipe once and then quickly swipe again and it will move through many apps on multitasking view
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...handset-announced-hands-on-videos/#more-24212

These are the video demos of the new Fujitsu WP7 device. But, what I think is interesting is... starting at about 1:10 into the second video, multitasking is demonstrated.

First off, look at the smooth scrolling of the snapshots as they pan past.

Second, look at the last three snapshots. What appears to be an "x" button may be present at the bottom of these.

Now, I say "may be" as these could be in app buttons, refresh buttons. Not to mention that none of the buttons are uniformly in the same spot. So, could be nothing or could be something.

Thoughts?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrmgic:
The buttons at the bottom are part of the UI in the actual applications, not an X to close the app.

Also, it's pretty simple to go back to the app and just press the back button to leave it, which tombstones the app instead of putting it in the task list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
That's exactly what the average consumer don't want to do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
can't believe people are *****ing a los 4 vientos over a BETA. SMH!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Unless that is something new in Mango, it has never worked that way. Pressing the back button has always "backed out" of an app, which often means backing up through a dozen screens or more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
it's misinformed. pressing back closes it unless in IE and pressing start freezes it in memory .
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Again I ask the question, is this new behavior in Mango? Because in NoDo, a single press of the back button does NOT close an app, unless the app is written to treat a single press of the back button as a "close/exit" event, which most apps don't do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
If you back all of the way out of an app, it is gone. Mango and NoDo behave the same
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Right, but backing all the way out is often very annoying, since many apps are so poorly written that they require that you press the back button a ridiculous number of times.

So, in other words, there is no reasonable way to remove an app from the "list of five" in Mango. That is very disappointing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrmgic:
Yes, I meant potentially multiple presses on the back button. Not just pressing it once. I apologize for the confusion.

Personally, I don't care what apps are in the list.. since they're not actually running anyway.

Maybe there is a way to close them in the RTM version, but something tells me that MS doesn't intend for users to have to think about that in the first place.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
And that's exactly it. You shouldn't have to think about having to close apps because there is never more than a single app open even with Mango "multi-tasking". The continued mentality that you need to "close" apps is the wrong mentality in Windows Phone 7. Simple as that. Just gotta get used to it.

Just like how it was meant to be in Android as well, but people just kept on pressing on the idea that they need to "close" their apps. They don't, and when apps are built properly and the OS is capable enough, it handles all of that for you, and you shouldn't have to think about it. Yet people continue to push the idea, and that's why there is a market for task killers on the Android Market, that is meant to give uninformed users nothing but simple "closure" that their app has been "closed".
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrmgic:
I think we can all thank the rogue developers of ****ty apps and android phones with horrible battery life for that.

There was a time that I too succumbed to the temptation of using a task killer. Then I just realized that I only wanted to see the amount of available memory increase whether it actually helped my performance or not.

There are only a handful of apps I would truly want to be able to run in the background, and those are the kind that will drain the battery more than anything else.. communications apps and in that regard if MS were to add AIM or Gtalk support to their messaging hub, I'd never need anything else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You would be right, if that was what I was talking about. It wasn't. I am annoyed by the fact that you can only see the 5 most recently used apps in the list. That's all. That seems like an arbitrary limitation to me. Apps that are frozen in memory are still in memory, and I would like to be able to select any of them. Since they only let us see 5, it seemed that allowing us to remove one from the list would expose the "next most recently used" app. That would be more convenient than having to navigate through the full app list on the start screen to get back to that app (and then have no guarantee that it will resume, rather than restart).
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Oh I wasn't even referring to your argument, whatever that may be. Just talking about the whole 'task killing' mentality. Certainly don't care much about it either seeing as I have had no issue with switching apps or the number of cards shown. 5 apps seems like a perfectly reasonable number to me, and I can only assume that adding the ability to 'remove apps' from the recent apps list would continue to push the idea that these apps are open and running and can be closed. XD

I thank them and all the reps that sell Android devices that tell their customers to download task killers because they (nor the company they work for) understand how Android is designed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Well, they aren't "running", but they are "open", in that they are still loaded in memory in their "frozen" state (just not consuming any CPU cycles). So, in that sense, they can be closed, in that they can be freed from memory.

I don't know enough about the Mango kernel to know what the side-effects of frozen apps might be, but if they can still be maintaining resource connections (such as file handles), and those resources are not infinite, then there could still be potential problems. Pre-Mango that was not an issue, since pressing the start button would tombstone a running app, and close any open handles.

Ordinarily I would assume that the number of resource handles available would be large enough that it shouldn't be a problem. But considering the pre-Mango live tile issue, I'm not sure it is wise to assume anything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
And Mango intelligently manages those open handles. Of course resources are not infinite, and the phone recognizes that, and Mango will intelligently free up resources as necessary. But the way these applications are 'open' is not what we're traditionally used to. Performance isn't largely affected by how many apps you have frozen/tombstoned, and the phone automatically does what it needs to do to prevent the very rare cases that it does. Its all part of some advanced protected memory kernel mumbo jumbo.

The way Mango handles freezing and tombstoning is similar to the way it is handled now in launch/NoDo WP7, the only major difference in Mango is that we have a simple interface to quickly switch between recent apps and that apps have a much easier time resuming to normal operation than previously. So the way resources are handled now in NoDo is almost the same as in Mango, and I think so far, we've seen that Windows Phone 7 handles this magical resource handling stuff very very well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
I guess the best argument I've heard thus far for having a way to close out apps in the task switching view is... say you have an app that you want to keep in the "cue", (for lack of a better term) for whatever reason, the more apps you access the more apps get pushed out of memory.

This is similar to what happens in IE currently. When you go back to task switching mode (TSM), that app is gone. You'd have to relaunch it from its start state or what not afterwards. Being able to close out apps would allow you to keep whichever apps in the cue that you wanted for as long as you wanted. That is of course until you forget and open up enough apps to push it.

Either way, I doubt I'll need more than 5 apps at once and if I wanna maintain one in my cue, I'll jump into TSM and tap it to make it the most recently opened app. Voila!
[Windows Phone 7 General] blindpet:
*****ing is how you get things changed, and we don't just purely say features suck, the useful members will provide constructive criticism about the feature we aren't satisfied with, then hopefully Microsoft reads the thread and the feature is improved.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I guess this is what I'll have to do, too. Annoying, but (barely) manageable. I bounce around a lot between apps, but there are a couple that I want to keep "in the queue" all the time for quick, easy access.

The IE example is a perfect way of describing it for me. In IE, if you switch to the tab selector, you only have six tabs to choose from. If you open a seventh tab (from some other app, such as Bing search), then the oldest one is "closed", meaning that you can't get back to it with it's session state guaranteed to be intact. But at least in IE you can close tabs you don't need any more before it gets to that "seventh tab" problem. I just wanted the same behavior in the task switcher.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blindpet:
The way IE does it is preferable definitely and having an x in one corner and a pin in the left corner if you want it to always be there (IM+ would be pinned for me for example).
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
That is exactly what I want. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] blindpet:
Then we have to make some noise once Mango is properly released, if enough people complain we'll get multitasking that makes sense (unless by some miracle MS has significantly improved Beta 2 multitasking).
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
we are all still worrying and complaining over nothing. I have no problem with how these apps are being managed and they aren't taking up any RAM or resources in their frozen state because I used a system view app to monitor the free ram I have and it didn't change no matter how many apps I had running. the ram and resources will only be used by the foreground app and the background agents that YOU manage. if u want one open all the time u can authorize a background agent for it and u'll be all set. but since there are no apps that support this yet we're sorta stuck with how things are now in the BETA
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
Dang it. Yeah. "Queue" and I typed it wrong twice. Stupid homonyms. This is the spelling, grammar, and punctuation forums, right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
That's nice. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with what we are talking now about, which it the lack of ability to use the task switcher to do what we want it to do.

Let me try again. I bounce around between apps A LOT on my phone. 90+% of the time, an app that I open once is of no more interest to me once I am done with it (at least for the next few hours, or possibly even days). But other apps, especially some that take a long time to load, ARE of continued interest to me throughout the day, every day. I want to be able to GUARANTEE that those apps show up in the switcher, rather than only seeing the last five apps that I happened to open, none of which are now important.

In other words, for me, under most circumstances, the task switcher is pointless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Yeah. There should be an option to "pin" apps to the switcher so that they'll stay there no matter what apps are used in the meantime.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
in the newer beta im hearing that the switcher no longer stops between apps, also if u want an app to stay there u can keep coming back to it to refresh it and go on to others. and im sure the background agent will also keep the app in the switcher if u have it opened so it has everything to do with what's being discussed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] boredtoday:
that's why the apps most important to you, you pin them on your homescreen. that way you even get to use them with even less touches! amazing
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Um, try again. I want to keep those apps RUNNING, because many of them take a long time to start up, and I don't want to pay that price every time I want/need to access them. And some have context that I want to maintain, and I can't do that if I have to restart them every time.

Besides, as I mentioned earlier, with most of the other apps I run, once I close them I don't need to go back to them, usually for the rest of the day. So even if I were to take your "advice", it would still render the task switcher (mostly) useless for me, since most of the time it will be filled with apps that I don't need to see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] boredtoday:
um, yes you can.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sh4wN:
I fully agree with RoboDad, task switching in Mango looks pretty nice and is smooth since the new build but useless as ****. iOS task switchting is much better, in my opinion.
[Defy General] Vexter79:
Hi all,

I'm new on xda-developers and I have a problem with Cyanogen.

I have a Defy with green lens, SBF Nordic 2.2 and CyanogenMod 7 RC1 v1.

On CyanogenMod RC0, the camera has functioned and, overnight, I have a Force Close on the camera. I update my Defy with the RC1 v1 and the camera does not work again :mad:

I can open camera's app but I don't have buttons zoom, parameters, flash... ( I have the capture button).

When I click on the capture button, I have a force close :(

How I can repair my camera ?

PS : I found a camera's app on the website defy.tanguy.tk . If I replace the app, does my camera can function ?

Thanks in advance, :)

Sorry for my bad english...
[Defy General] Vexter79:
UP ;)

Please :rolleyes:
[Defy General] Vexter79:
Up :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance
[Defy General] salingpusa:
Back upfirst. Try it, if it works, good, if not, restore back up, or re install. Never had problems like that. maybe you restored some system apps or data?
[Defy General] maniac103:
Post the output of the app alogcat after the camera crash. That way we don't need to guess what exactly went wrong.

The app on defy.tanguy.to is the Motorola camera app, which we sometimes need for testing purposes.
[Defy General] Vexter79:
Thanks salingpusa and maniac103

Here's a video of my Defy :

youtube.com/watch?v=dTcU9uiZFQ8

When I click on Report, I'm on a page 'Communicating Comments' but no comments written !

@ maniac103 : What's the applog ? It's the Report ?

Thanks in advance,

Sorry for the quality of video and my bad english,

;)
[Defy General] maniac103:
Not applog, the app 'alogcat'. App as in 'app installed from the market'.
[Defy General] airwolf1544:
Delete the thumbnails. This solved the problem for me.

Path sdcard/DCIM/.thumbnails/ (only the files in that folder).
[Defy General] Vexter79:
Hello,

Thanks airwolf1544, my problem is solved ! :D

We must delete the thumbnails

Thanks too, maniac103 ;)

Problem solved !
[Defy General] airwolf1544:
No problem :cool:
[Defy General] deathw15h:
dude , u are an absolute genius. i dont know how u hit upon this , but it solved the same friggin problem for me too.

+1 and already thanked.

thanks again :):)
[Epic 4G General] shane6374:
http://device.sprintpcs.com/Samsung/SPH-D700/EF29.rdf

So 2 more weeks minimum?
[Epic 4G General] algorhythm:
Android 2.3.4 ... nice.
[Epic 4G General] counterfeit187:
wouldn't that be awesome. Hopefully at least an updated "leak" will be out by then.
[Epic 4G General] algorhythm:
We don't want a leak...
[Epic 4G General] Art2Fly:
Sigh... Keep these threads within the gingerbread thread, it's there for a reason, and this was already posted there

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] shane6374:
Clearly I missed it because xda search sucks.

Thanks for trolling me!
[Epic 4G General] shane6374:
I agree, we can work off of ef02 until we get an official OTA.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Being told to search isn't trolling. Starting threads for the sole purpose of starting arguments is trolling.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
Please tell me, how did he start this just for arguing? If anybody is trying to incite a reaction its you two minimods.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] duce102:
Lmao

+1

(pun intended)
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
You sly dog you. :)

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] worldwidepmp:
@Xbox or whatever, see it's not just me...
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
This is the first info I have seen on EF29...thanks Shane.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
I didn't say he was trolling, I was providing an example of what trolling is. Call me what you wish, it doesn't change the fact that he didn't search enough to not have seen other threads about recent .rdf leaks.
[Epic 4G General] Marlinsfan88:
well luckily sprint hasnt givin an official ETA so theyre tryin to avoid the froyo debacle. this is first ive seen of this too thanks shane. there should be an option to ban certain people from posting on your threads.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
Your right you didn't. I just don't see why you have to hop on every thread that the op didn't thuroughly search google for. You know a lot of us are on tapatalk or xdaapp and its impossible to search. And besides this is the only thread discussing this current build, if it wasn't it'd be another story and you'd be right to flame him for not even looking through the first pages. I'm really not trying to argue with you, you seem like a cool, informative person I just wish I didn't see you on so many threads in every subsection chastising people for not searching or whatever, it gets old.. and this is general! Nobody cares about general!!! :)

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] Custodian:
This is a cruel world. So small in very disorganized.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
Says the ultimate necromancer. :D

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
This is way more deserving of it's own thread than the other 75% of pure crap that gets posted in here. If an official software release version for this phone doesn't deserve it's own topic, than nothing does.

Now back on topic, here's hoping this is the actual release build and we'll see it within a couple weeks. The last leak ran great other than a couple bugs.
[Epic 4G General] shane6374:
Actually I'm at work and saw it there while playing around on my break. I did a search for EF29 on the xda search tool and got no hits so I started the thread.

Begin rant (not targeted at anyone individual)

It's really sad the every f*ckin thread in the general section has to turn in to this. Can't anyone just appreciate that someone takes time to post information? This is way better than the 250 see ya bye, the epic sucks, or threads about other phones in the epic section. I'm really starting to see why the developers are leaving this site. The site I came here from wouldn't put up with this crap at all. You get 3-4 post like what happened in this thread and it get's closed and warnings go out to the instigators. Who want's to put up with this crap? I'm hoping this is my last post in this thread, but somehow I doubt it.

End rant

@063_XOBX: Why would I add place info about EF29 in the EF16 thread? People first look at a thread by the title, not by what's buried 100 posts in.
[Epic 4G General] nimaim:
First time I'm seeing this thread, so thanks for the heads up OP. Getting back on track here, good to see Samsprint is still updating this phone, though we probably won't get something as recent as EF29 for a few weeks to a month.
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
Guys yes and NO!

Yes so we know what progresws they have made and to see how this works and giving Samsung hintity hint hints on if its good or if its bugging out.

NO becasue itll take more time for them to push it out
[Epic 4G General] jfharden:
*sigh* Another helpful thread with good intentions turned to ****...
[Epic 4G General] bigray327:
Thanks for the thread, OP. I, for one, don't hang in the little kid threads very long.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
Not really its not like there's any more information to be shared besides the fact that its being worked on. We might as well just troll each other now, right? Lol

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
Thanks for the info op. I still like ef16. Lol. I just want official so we can get some oc kernels.

"The greatest respect you can earn is self respect" Louie Simmons
[Epic 4G General] steviee7:
No, please lets not
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
There's a weird, controlling obsession with the search mantra, which simply means attempt to find info before starting a new thread. It in no way requires posters to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that info/questions haven't already been posted, as that would be absurd, anal, and in no way conducive to a healthy, discussion-based community.

And FWIW, I've seen times in the past where 100+ page threads get rubbed in the faces of new posters who 'failed' to search, as if 1000+ posts are a simple matter of comfortably perusing while sipping your darjeeling. A thread is NOT a wiki, a thread is NOT an organized, efficient source of information, and despite the fact that we're all drinking the google koolaid, search is NOT the end-all-be-all of information acquisition.
[Epic 4G General] sceptor:
I just want the source done so we can get the mods to really do work on it. Been a while but 2 more for 2.3.4 is reasonable
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
OH also, it needs to be said, Tapatalk most definitely does have a search function. Whoever said otherwise, tap that More tab at the top of your screen. It's lonely.
[Epic 4G General] xboxfanj:
EWW!!! He's a neck Romancer.

Sorry I had to.
[Epic 4G General] cds0699:
I appreciate the post OP, thanks for the info :)
[Epic 4G General] .OmEgA:
Have you used it? Lol. its worthless

Posted by some phone named the Epic.
[Epic 4G General] nubsors:
I actually agree the search functionality within the app is very limited. It needs to be more like what happens when you create a new thread and it shows you threads with similar content.
[Epic 4G General] cabledss:
Thanks to the OP - wouldn't have known about EF29 otherwise and I sure as hell wouldn't be looking layers deep in the EF16 thread looking for updates.
[Epic 4G General] sauron0101:
This wasn't a troll thread. The fact that Sprint has released what could be the possible release version of Gingerbread is well worth making a thread on. I would not have otherwise known about EF29 either. I for one am grateful that the OP has taken the time to post this.

Now this begs the question - will this be the release version? It seems that there are new versions of Gingerbread being compiled every 1-2 weeks.
[Epic 4G General] shane6374:
This is the exact reason why I started the thread.

Thanks to everyone who came to my defense.
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
no.

real news deserves their own threads.

hiding this info in some old thread does not make sense.