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[HTC EVO 3D] Nsandhu23:
I personally stopped Tethering a while back because some people were posting about Sprint contacting them. And i don't wanna get caught. Also I believe Sprint will be nice enough to grandfather in current customers with the unlimited plans. My cousin got the unlimited plan for ATT 4 years ago, and he is still grandfathered in with the iPhone4.

Sent from my 3vo
[HTC EVO 3D] AdamLeonard:
No they won't. When the Palm Pre first came out, I wanted to get one (remember this was in the days of WinMo 6.1) but I would have had to switch from my cheap family + data plan (Like $70 a month with 2 phones getting 3G data) to their new more expensive data plans. So I said no until the Evo came along. When Sprint wants to move people out of the old unlimited plans to a tiered system (hopefully years from now), they'll do it by waiting for a bunch of hot phones to come out and then say you have to have the new plan to use one and we'll hold out for a little while but we'll go through gadget withdrawal if we don't have the latest 5G holographic phone and we'll cave.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
S'what I'm saying.

We're gonna root, but I say lets push for a community stance on hacked tethering on Sprint.

Naive perhaps. Sprint perhaps already has a timetable in place for data caps...but given all (pending bootloader unlock etc...Sprint could've said No to this) it seems like the right thing to do.

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[HTC EVO 3D] Blayz:
does sprint even track 4g usage? or were the people who were being contacted before tethering over 3 g? on my bills and on their website it'll show 3g data usage but says 4g data usage is unavailable but not to worry because its unlimited

i tethered for awhile in atlanta cause i had an apartment and couldn't get affordable cable, i torrented movies, and think sprint wanting to charge 30 for a feature already built into the phone is silly, if i have unlimited data and i torrent movies to my phone, then transfer them to my computer thats okay, but if i download them through my phone straight to my computer its an issue cause i'm saving myself some time? if i use 0 gb of 4g data sprint doesn't give me my money back, we dont even have the option of not paying for thei 4g service if we know we're not gonna use it, thats the point of unlimited plans, the company wins in some situations and loses in others
[HTC EVO 3D] edufur:
Actually, sprint kicks people too. Even though they say unlimited, they do have their limits. Many people have reported getting the letters. And for those pushing more than 5GB per month, you better bet they have their eyes on you. When their pipes start getting clogged, they will come knocking.
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
In all fairness their T&C pretty much denies use of Torrenting, as part of the prohibited uses.

"Our data services may not be used: (i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files"

I personally feel that light, infrequent use is acceptable.. even if it's not technically allowed. However, anything using a large number of connections and maxing out bandwidth for extended periods of time should be a no go. That's just my personal opinion though.
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
The only people I've heard of getting kicked were using that kind of data while roaming. For that they will give you the boot.
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
Because Sprint knows in the grand scheme of things, none of this matters and perception is still reality for consumers. I still know plenty of people that have never had Sprint service in their life that talk about how terrible Sprint is in terms of coverage, etc. Honestly, had it not been for the Evo last year even with Sprints cheap plans and unlimited data they would still be having a ridiculous amount of churn just like they were before. VZW and AT&T are more expensive than Sprint, but still manage to pull in almost double the amount of new customers that Sprint does.

If you think about it, Sprint AND Tmobile are the cheapest carriers out of the big 4 here, yet Tmobile and Sprint are the ones that have a hard time gaining customers..outside of pre-paid that is. Being cheaper isnt always going to save you and I think the VZW/ATT vs Sprint/Tmobile battle is a perfect example of that.

Now, with that said I have a Sprint line and a VZW line. I live in a 4G city for both and there are quite a few differences between the 2. As of the past year my 3G with Sprint has dissipated terribly. I'm averaging less than 200kb/s now where I used to be able to get 1.5mb easily. VZW doesnt have the fastest 3G, but I am able to consistently get 1.1 - 1.8mb anytime of the day or night. Now as far as the service, i've had Sprint for about 3 years now and the coverage where I live wasnt stellar but it was good enough not to complain about. Now for some reason over the past few weeks ive noticed that my phone has the little roaming triangle above the bars when im inside of my house and I had to switch it to Sprint only..which I only get about 1 bar now. Was never like this before. With the VZW line I have 5 bars of 3G and 3 bars of LTE.

As far the Wimax vs LTE thing... I know the difference in frequencies is the determing factor there...HOWEVER.. with VZW I NEVER average less than 15mb down and this is inside of my house. With wimax, even though im in a "best penetration available" area according to Clear, I can get no wimax inside.

Honestly at this point I think Sprint knows there really is no way for them to battle VZW & AT&T as it is but at least with Tmobile they do still have somewhat of a level playing field for competition. Now if AT&T swallows up Tmobile... that's going to be another story.
[HTC EVO 3D] overclockxp:
According to one site on Sprint's account management site they don't track 4G usage at all. It is truly unlimited.

But I wonder if one of the things htc is trying to figure out is how to lock down the tethering while providing a phone with root access.
[HTC EVO 3D] thecalip:
This is a problem when wireless and isp have the biggest army of lobbyists in DC. This is the only country (probably along British and Canada) that as technology advance, we move backward.

The Asia countries will replace us in less than a decade if we continue this path.
[HTC EVO 3D] mikldom:
4G has to be unlimited and no monitoring

I was in a Sprint store in Baltimore a couple of weeks back, and as you know, Baltimore is a HUGE 4G/Wimax area for Sprint, and one of their first in the rollouts.. In this store, they have a 4G HOME internet router... Meaning,,, it is a HOME router that takes Sprints wimax signal, and plugs this into your home network,, and this is a router!!!

We all know how much data is used on home accounts.. I personally have 4 computers hooked up, with one torrenting quite a bit..

So if sprint truly did not want it to be unlimited and eyeing towards a tiered data plan, then they would not offer a home network interface for folks to subscribe too for their home internet.. I remember the pricing was really reasonable too.. comparable to or even cheaper than a cable connection.

Way to go Sprint!!!
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
Sprint has proven once again that their Network vision upgrade needs to have happened yesterday. These results show not only that sprint's network is struggling in some areas but MOST areas.

They only managed a 480kbps average EV-DO (3G) speed, the slowest speed tested. Their 4g and 3g networks were also some of the least reliable networks tested.

Get the picture Sprint. We need a real 4g network on a real spectrum. A 2500mhz Wimax network spottily thrown together isn't going to cut it, neither is 10 year old backhaul. It's make or break time Sprint.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
Are we looking at the same chart?

Sent from Godot's place.
[Epic 4G General] JPhantom95:
All I care about is if I get good reception.

And I don't.
[Epic 4G General] digiblur:
Should have come to Baton Rouge. They would have scored 0.05 megabit on the speedtest all day long!
[Epic 4G General] BrianFX:
The old adage holds true, you get what you pay for..
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
Well, first I'd like to mention these stats offer no souce or details on how/where and how many times these figures were tested, which I usually like to see (I'm the skeptical type)

That being said, I agree. I'm lucky to be in Chicago, pretty decent 4g and 3g coverage, but 3g's been slowing down more and more and it shows in many places. They need to pick it up on 3g (their main network). No reason for a tower to only offer 1.2 (1 T1 line minus 300kbps for sprint control) even at 4am on a Tuesday in the suburbs, when Verizons almost always 2mpbs or more with full bars on 3g (and has been for years), same network technology. Its data speeds on 3g I've never been quite happy with.
[Epic 4G General] ksmullins88:
makes me miss verizon =[
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
Ya know, they all suck right now. Verizon's going metered and is cdma (less support), T-mobile's going to get eaten by AT&T because our government can't do the only thing it's supposed to do while it's busy doing everything it isn't supposed to do, Sprint is suffering 3g data slowdown, and again is cdma which means less support.

I've been toying with an idea lately to get the World version GSII, do the iphone trick (get an att sim card with basic voice, pop that in a 2g orig iphone to get on the edge data plan which is ONLY available as unlimited, pop that in a 3g iphone to get auto-upgraded to the $30, grandfathered unlimited data plan) and use it on AT&T with unlimited data. The ONLY issue I have with this (as I'd have my unlimited data, GV for sms) is I'd be paying money to a truly terrible entity (AT&T) and I sincerely morally object to everything they're doing. And yet it would mean a much much larger community...
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
I know someone who says they can see their data speeds die on Verizon with evry new phone launch. Especially the 4g signal.
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
My sister is doing an even easier and cheaper trick. Get a t-mobile vibrant or motorola defy for $200 then unlock it your self and use it with a $15 a month medianet unlimited data plan. You could take advantage of at&t's $50 unlimited everything prepaid plan too. You just need to make sure to get a phone which works with att's 3g frequency bands (moto defy/vibrant/i9000/sgs 2/rogers nexus s) but isn't on their system as a recognized smart phone ,(in other words one they don't sell).
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
Until Sprint gets rid of their unlimited data plan, I will tolerate them for now.
[Epic 4G General] Pete720:
+1 Hopefully they won't go the route of everyone else. If they did I'm going back to a dumb phone because unlimited data is the main reason I have a smartphone.
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
Only problem with this is I don't believe the i9000 or gsII (or any world phone) works on tmo 3g aws bands. Only att :( plus they'll be att soon... :(
[Epic 4G General] xTmDarren:
yeah Verizon did this test.. and im sure they did it in Verizon areas.. These test are like benchmarks on our phones... yeah its cool to say.. hey I have the fastest internet on my phone.. but truthfully it doesn't mean anything.. I personally use my WIFI for the most part and use my 3g/4g randomly when im bored shopping with my wife.. besides... I have unlimited 3g/4g.. I guess sprint lost bc of that too?
[Epic 4G General] Xhyperion:
Spring is the new tmobile
[Epic 4G General] nebrando:
I also use wifi most often when I am surfing with my phone. This test was performed by Verizon? I didn't catch that part. Where did you see that?
[Epic 4G General] gradynyc:
In the end Sprint will show us that sticking with them meant nothing. As soon as Verizon gets their tiered data underway. Sprint will go that route too, and give us just a little more than ATT and Verizon. They know we will have nowhere else to go! I just wish I had ditched sprint in February when I started too. Verizon 4G is in my area and i'm stuck with slow speeds. :(
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
Well, the whole line is highlighted and there's no source listed so, probably. We still haven't seen any testing method data so I call shenanigans til I see a source named.

That said, my moms droid charge pulls in 16/4 (my home internet is only 12/1.5). But that's 4g and not all their new phones are...
[Epic 4G General] Grommish:
The test was done by PCMag (http://www.pcmag.com/Fastest-Mobile-Networks-2011)

That being said, my work is a VZW Deadzone, where-as I get at least some Spring signal. I average 9mb/1.5mb down/up on 4G in and around my neighborhood and if my 3G signal can be slower than what is on the chart, its still far faster than anything I need to do daily. If I need more, I'll go 4G/Wifi and be done with it. I abuse the hell outta my unlimited, averaging upwards of 6GB a month data on my phone alone (the wifey also has a Epic on the plan) and I've now thrown a GTab 10.1 into the mix and tether of the phone.
[Epic 4G General] slybarman:
Undoubtedly there is a correlation between the all-you-can-eat data and the slow speeds - ie burden on the network.
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
The vibrant and hd2 do
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
Wrong, the correlation is slow network = slow ten year old backhaul (t1). Don't fall into this trap or we WILL find ourselves with tiered data in the near future.
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
Right, they're not International Version Quad-band phones. Go get a european HD2 or real Galaxy S phone and they won't get 3g. It's not just about GSM, its the fact that the INTERNATIONAL phones get the most development ('cmon, they've got all of europe vs the US where we barely have any cool phones by comparison, not to mention one phone can be on 4 carriers at once and still be identical).

Even if they support the right frequency, if it says UMTS instead of AWS it won't work on TMo
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
Not only do international HD2 roms work on the t-mobile version, they work better. The T-mobile HD2 is identical to the international version except with more ram. Europeans wish they could have our variant.

As far as the vibrant goes, i9000 roms can be run on it as well but it takes more work and isn't as easy. You have to flash the vibrant with an i9000 radio.
[Epic 4G General] slybarman:
OK. So it is not a shared pipe and the number of concurrent users has no effect on speed?
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
It is shared, but should be big enough for more than 1-2 users to pull in the advertised speed at once (if shared line was say 3-4mbps it could)
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
I did not realize you could flash i9000 roms on vibrant, although as you say some work is needed. I just want it to work, every phone, any phone. And you still need a physically tmo phone...
[Epic 4G General] slybarman:
Understood -my point was that there are multiple factors at work and you cannot dismiss the effect that the number and type of users the all you an eat data plan attract has on the system load.
[Epic 4G General] NEXUS 4G:
My 4g speeds are fast enough for my phone, what I can't stand is that nearly half a second ping.
[Epic 4G General] kwazytazz:
you get what you pay for, if verizon can give me 7 lines, 5 insurance, 5 4g, 1500 mins and nights starting at 7 for ~320ish, i'm sold oh oh and the free mobile to any mobile
[Epic 4G General] MikeyLee:
+1 Looks like Sprint is second behind T-Mobile to me.
[Epic 4G General] Custodian:
$%&@@!!! SPRINT AND THIS @/}+=!!! THREAD!!!

At ease men.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
No 4G here is my only beef, but I'm plenty satisfied with the 3G in my area. At work from my desk where I get a pretty poor signal I still get 600kb down and 300kb up. Most of the people I work with on other networks have to go to a window just to get ANY signal in our building. At home (30 miles away) I get around 1mb down on average.
[Epic 4G General] awenthol:
I would have gone to Verizon when I renewed my contract but with a hotspot + Thunderbolt on unlimited data would have been almost $80/month more than I'm paying with Sprint :(...I can think of a lot more things to do with the extra $1k/yr.

I agree that Sprint needs to get with the program. When's the last time they turned Wimax on in a new city?

Via 3VO on TapaTalk
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Every time I see something like this, I laugh; everywhere I go throughout 2 states I have perfect service both on 3G and 4G. And I pay about half of what the iphoners do, and get a lot more for it.
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Don't you have an Evo 3D? Why would you call it just Evo in l33t speak? Damn n3wbs. 3vo 3D is alright, but the 3vo has been out a year
[Epic 4G General] Art2Fly:
Even though i have mad respect for you because of your sig, I still don't understand how the hell you get "perfect signal" across two states! I live in southern Texas and we get bad signal across a 100 mile radius!
[Epic 4G General] dcowboys2184:
Cricket tho... Really...

I'm just your everyday black guy!
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
No you're right, all unlimited users on sprint definately increases the load, however I run speed tests all the time and only 1 or 2 towns I know I've ever gotten more than 1.3, even at 4am on a Tuesday in the suburbs. Verizon is the opposite, rarely ever less. I've run too many tests for this to be a coincidence.
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
I have no reason to go far from the interstate when traveling, and around the metros I have no issues. Same can't be said for ATT, I have buddies who lose reception while on 75. That's just pathetic.
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
Unlimited Data is why I'm on sprint. I already know the 3g speeds and 4g (not that I get it) speeds weren't that impressive.

Nice to know cricket at least matches sprints 3g speeds, in case I go broke lol.
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
That chart must be sponsored by Verizon... My max and average speeds on 3G are a fair amount higher than what that chart shows for Sprint, but I know people on Verizon that would be ecstatic to get half the speed claimed on that chart...
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Google Network Vision people...jesus christ.

Sprint is rolling out LTE with light squares that is testing at 56 mb/s down and 48 mb/s up
[Epic 4G General] samuraiinblack:
I will take my uncapped data over anyone else's capped regardless of how slow it is.

What the hell's the point of having speed if you can't use it?
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Are you saying you don't know what 24Mb/s data rate is good for??? 11 minutes worth of usage by my calculations. What's the overage rate? $1 MB or something?

I think VZW keeping their LTE unlimited for a while was to show their users what they're missing by not having truly unlimited data. Now all they had to do was lower the price by about 40% and they could see what its like to have sprint. :D
[Epic 4G General] diego1985:
This is just sad Sprint. I knew I wasn't the only one with slow speeds. Now the only justice I get is wifi at home. I can't even brag about how fast my phone is now, and forget streaming youtube vids longer than 10 mins on 3g.
[Epic 4G General] 3VilStv:
Amen! Can't wait.

Also I average higher speeds on 3g than listed in the chart.

No 4g :-\
[Epic 4G General] Phateless:
This is why we need to prevent AT&T from buying T-mobile. Here's how it will go down.

AT&T buys T-mobile and becomes the nation's largest carrier and only gsm carrier.

Sprint gets pushed out of existence (or acquired) by Verizon and AT&T.

We now have only two choices, AT&T or Verizon and they conspire to keep rates high and contracts strict.

The consumers get ****ed and this WILL happen unless we speak up.

Go to fcc.gov and leave a comment on issue 11-65 telling them to block this merger!
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Sprint needs to, overnight, dump the iDEN off of the 900 bands, and give them all much better 1800 CDMA PTTs.

Then, all of us l33t h@x0r$ get Quad-Band aggregated super LTE phones on 15/5/15/40 blocks on the 900/1600/1800/2500 that pushes 300Mb/s down and 150Mb/s up. And since the 1600 band uses satellites, I expect 100% perfect reception to make all my calls when outdoors!

Then the coverage maps shall read 'everywhere', including if I want to make calls from my space ship. Yeah *****es....VZW and Afee&fee ain't got **** on it. (I just made up the new name for AT&T......and damn if it doesn't fit them perfectly)
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Same here. I average 1 mb/s down and 600 kb/s up.

Actually an update 56 mb/s down on 10mhz channels and 90 mb/s down on 20mhz channels.

And Sprint might be getting both.
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
If I could just get a consistent 600~800k down, I would be happy and probably wouldn't have posted this, but I get 50~250k down and it definitely isn't on 1xRTT.
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Damn, that's nuts. Have you considered it's your device?
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
It isn't. Initially, I thought it might be my phone but after going to other areas outside of town I have found it was much faster. In tahlequah (small town) I got 1800k every time without fail. My area is a dead spot or overloaded and when I call CS, sprint always blames it on my device and has me do the update prl/profile/reactivate. It never works. I just want an erricson tech to come out and fix my tower but nothing has changed since I switched to sprint(7 months).

I get faster and more consistent data when I turn on roam control and roam onto US Cellular's 2G 1xRTT network.

Whosdaman, you would be my hero if you could get them to send out a tech to my area and fix it.
[Epic 4G General] gradynyc:
People just don't understand sprint will not keep unlimited after the vision plan goes into effect and lte is working. They will call it something else and charge more, or cap the data. You will have no place else left to go with any type of competitive data speeds/unlimited so most will stay with sprint. The writing is on the wall. They strung us along until everyone capped data. We're stuck unless you bite the bullet this week before verizon caps, pay the etf, get some verizon LTE phones and live happily ever after.
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
I think they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they start capping but even if they did, why wouldn't sprint grandfather their customers too?

Some people are still on SERO.
[Epic 4G General] offtohavasu:
Whosdaman,

When fully deployed, because of the different frequencies being used, will we be required to replace our phones to get the full benefits from the new network?
[Epic 4G General] gradynyc:
Because sprint would practically have to grandfather their entire network. They made anyone upgrading to a decent phone get the simply everything data and most of those had to get the $10 premium data. I wish, hope, and pray they do grandfather us but with so many players/vendors involved and hands sticking out. how will they break even on the buildout and keep everybody involved happy? Remember how sprint loves to tell you if you want a shiney new latest and greatest phone it won't activate on that plan! They are famous for that!
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Yes, only the Evo 3D has the tri band radio capabilities.
[Epic 4G General] toadlife:
LOL. Good one.

Speaking as someone who was a T-Mobile customer for ten years who switched to Sprint a month ago I have to respectfully and forcefully disagree. ;)

T-Mobile is pure EDGE/GPRS where I live. There is still no T-Mobile 3G within 40 miles of my house.

Now, with Sprint, I can stream Pandora/Slacker with no interruptions on my 40 mile rural commute to work.

Yes, in Urban areas, T-Mobile's network can be pretty fast, but in the few times I was able to experience T-Mobile 3G speed tests showed anywhere from 200Kbps to 1800Kbps, with the average being 800kbps - which is no better than I get with Sprint now in the rural area I live in.
[Epic 4G General] offtohavasu:
S.O.B. It was hard enough getting the funds approved for this phone. Well, at least it's probably 3 years min. before fully deployed.
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
Before someone else gets confused, the Epic is a tri-band device (850/1900/2500) but the 800mhz SMR spectrum is not within range of the epic's 850mhz radio (this radio is for roaming only). The Evo 3D is actually a quadband device which works with (800/850/1900/2500).

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