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[HTC EVO 3D] ColdH33t:
Ah sorry, your post got lost while I was responding lol.

Well first off, I think you're taking a rather strange moral standpoint. I personally have no problem ripping off a company that rips me off in the first place.

Whether or not you agree with my viewpoint is fine.

I just don't think you shoud've posted putting me down in such a condescending manner.

I understand that you must feel like it's people like me who drive up prices for you. But to be honest, the networks are still making plenty of money. Even with scoundrels like myself. And to be honest, I've never exchanged a phone which was broken illegally. In that first 30 days, I was allowed to do it for whatever reason.

Regardless, I obviously can't change your opinion and to be honest, your opinion doesn't really seem to be having much effect.

Why don't we just all be friends and love our new Evo 3ds? :D
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
I do love my Evo 3D, and I can agree to be friendly.
[HTC EVO 3D] ColdH33t:
Some people just wanna have the last word. And that's fine with me. ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
Really? It's evident by your completely unnecessary post, but whatever. I simply explained myself with regard to your last post. Go ahead, :rolleyes: you may now have the last word.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Can i haz rooit?

sent from thee beasto 3d
[HTC EVO 3D] sand1303:
If u get wet enough for water to reach the insides if your phone do u really think a peice of scotch tape is gonna protect that sticker? I highly dought it.

Sent from my EVO 3D in the now or later network
[HTC EVO 3D] waterbound:
Don't feed the animals, obvious who they are..ignore..they eventually go away.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
They sell the water damage sticks on eBay... Lol shh I didn't tell you

sent from thee beasto 3d
[HTC EVO 3D] ColdH33t:
Yeah lol. Try it yourself. Take a small piece of a paper and cover it on both sides with tape. As long as there are no bubbles letting air in you should be able to get a good minute or so before the paper gets wet.

I remember when I actually tested it and used it on my old phone, I used contact paper (stuff you laminate books with) instead of tape, but I feel like the idea is similiar.

Also, scotch tape isn't the only tape you can use. I'm sure electrical tape will be better if applied correctly.
[HTC EVO 3D] ns311:
They will find the water damage trust me they don't just look at water indicators. Then they will show your pieced out phone and identify the water damage
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
As far as I'm concerned, if YOU PAY for your insurance, there should be NO REASON that it should ever be denied. There are a lot of us that pay for insurance, and NEVER USE IT. I have never gotten a refund check for not costing insurance companies so much as a PENNY. So, by all means, I don't get a single penny back, so use the damn insurance, even if they claim it's not covered. And do so, by any means.
[HTC EVO 3D] aimbdd:
Insurance is what you should be using... they don't care if your phone is water damaged. The whole point of this thread is having your phone covered under warranty when the phone is water damaged.
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
Warranty too. It's not difficult to make a device like a cellphone waterproof in critical areas. MFGs should do everything possible to make devices safe from water including a quick dip of the board in a resin once completed. No, I don't think an end user should be responsible for an issue that could have been solved at the factory with a process that would add a few pennies to the cost of the device. MFGs have a responsibility to ensure a quality device. Cells operate at an extremely low voltage where shorting out isn't much of an issue.
[HTC EVO 3D] bikrmd86:
First of all I would love to know how many people root and wirelessly tether. That is ok but this is not. Second of all your only screwing the insurance company not Sprint and anytime you can do some role reversal like that I'm all for it.
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
50,000 of vehicle (Fully insured) insurance coverage costs me about $90/month.

That's .18% / month or 2.16% of coverage per year.

The cost of insurance for a cellphone is $7 / month, for basically $300 coverage (market rate of refurb'd replacment.)

That's 2.4% / Month or 29% per year!! -- Yes, that's customers, getting the SHAFT. Not to mention, most of the phones that are taken in as defective, have the software replaced, and some cosmetic work done, and they're sent right back out to market! Not to mention having to pay $50 or so for a complete replacement??? That's like 20% of the value of the product! Could you imagine having to pay a $5,000 deductible on a used vehicle replacement when your $30,000 car was totaled? Especially since your insurance ran about $10,000 / year???
[HTC EVO 3D] 4dthinker:
Not sure if all water detection strategies are the same, but one good reason to protect them from water is because there is water in the air that can turn them over time, with no water damage happening. My first gen iPod Touch went bad about 7 months after I bought it. White screen of death. Never went anywhere near water, although encountered normal humid days and (bath)rooms over its short life. I had no idea it had a moisture indicater in the headphone jack. Took it to my local Apple store, where the genius declared a water fault and refused to do anything about my otherwise warrantied Touch. A week later after angry calls and lawyer letters they changed their mind, but such is the danger and a reason to worry.
[HTC EVO 3D] ls3mach:
The question is about fraud. Should we go ahead and tell him how to get warez? If he needs to he can take the phone apart and find them. If he wants to make people aware for potentially non-illegal uses, he should document the process.
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
Fraud is a much different ball game than trying to get your phone taken care of for a valid accident, regardless if the company doesn't want to cover it for some accidents.
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
Should Chevrolet cover your Camaro against tornado/hail damage? Or should it be insurance that covers it?
[HTC EVO 3D] ls3mach:
You agree to TEP by signing up. TEP doesn't cover water or physical damage. The insurance part of TEP (they used to be Sprint protection and Insurance, purchasable seperately) covers physical, water damage and lost/stolen. If you don't agree with it, don't sign up for the service. You are being fraudulent if you do something to knowingly circumvent the agreement.

Regarding you would scam a company because they make "enough" money... Who is anyone here to say what "enough" is? Because they are running efficiently and effectively it is okay to steal from them? It isn't like they have a monopoly on the market many other companies offer some sort of protection.

The pirate software comment... Yes it is a loss when someone pirates. Maybe they wouldn't have bought PhotoShop, but if they had an actual need they would have to find an alternative. If enough people need an alternative (hence GIMP). Eventually the other software will be good enough and start charging or get donations. At ANY rate you stealing the product does have an affect. Not beneficial to the general user when people start stealing. Stifles innovation and possibly makes the manufacturer of the paid (and sometimes the best) to go out of business.

Justify your theft and morality anyway you want, doesn't change that is is wrong. I am still not going to turn this into a religious debate, but I would love to know everyone's religious affiliation to go with their stance.
[HTC EVO 3D] guyandhisdog:
I believe TEP covers lost/ stolen. If you get water damage and its not covered, why don't you just report the phone lost stolen? Sounds like all this discussion is moot if you ask me.

...adjusting to life without the trackball
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
TEP includes the insurance part. Lost/stolen still is an insurance claim.:rolleyes:
[HTC EVO 3D] ls3mach:
Water damage is cover under the insurance plan. They send you a replacement, you ship them back the wet one.
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
When did hail damage come into play?? As far as water damage, YES, if you want to try your camaro as a submarine, and then realize it's a bad one, anything the water damaged should be covered under MFG warranty.

However you wanting to bring a car into this is just dumb. You don't store your car in your pocket, and I'm willing to bet a car has never fallen into a toilet, or a puddle. Honestly they're not even comparable.

A phone should be made with all hazards being considered for the typical use of the device. I mean, the clear fact is that a phone which has indicators to show if moisture has entered the device, IS UNDERSTOOD TO BE AT A POSSIBILITY OF LIQUID BEING AN OBVIOUS HAZARD TO IT!! And as such, the MFG should take all reasonable steps to ensure a device is protected against such common hazards. Seriously, it's not asking much to coat the finished board in fine resin and to ensure chips are properly sealed. Some MFGs are smart and already do this to their products.

I guess you like camaros?? I wouldn't own a Government Motors car....before or after the takeover.
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
Faulty logic is faulty logic. Section 4a of the Evo 3D User Guide specifically states the following (which renders your argument moot):

Protect your device.

Always treat your device and its accessories with

care and keep them in a clean and dust-free

place.

Do not expose your device or its accessories to

open flames or lit tobacco products.

Do not expose your device or its accessories to

liquid, moisture or high humidity.

And the following from the warranty section:

This Warranty does not apply to:

(a) Product subjected to abnormal use or conditions,

accident, mishandling, neglect, unauthorized

alteration, misuse, improper installation or repair

or improper storage;

(b) Product whose mechanical serial number or

electronic serial number has been removed,

altered or defaced;

(c) Damage from exposure to moisture, humidity,

excessive temperatures or extreme environmental

conditions;
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
Including a clause in a warranty section doesn't make it a legal enforcement. It also has vague statements, which too are unenforceable. Because a water indication tab, can be solely exposed to moisture, relying solely on its indication is also unenforceable.

Because it's known that a person carries a phone on their person, and because it naturally rains, in some areas over 2/3 of the time, it should be considered that encountering rain and water is to be expected in the normal course of using the phone. I'd like to see a requirement of all 'pocketable' mobile devices to legally be required to have a 10 second dip in water and maintain flawless use. That is to be expected, and devices should have to comply with such testing.

That's not an unreasonable request, considering the amount of testing just about every device goes through with the FCC. It's not uncommon for a manufacturer to hide behind a clause in a warranty, but rarely do such clauses stand up in court.
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
:rolleyes: Of course, in court, it would be determined whether or not the manufacturer was negligent in their practices, or whether the plaintiff was simply trying get something for nothing due to his/her own negligence. Okay, I'm done with this thread, you're not getting it.
[HTC EVO 3D] heathmcabee:
Edit: nvm...
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
Ah yes, the Fraud definition. A user expecting their phone to work as advertised, through expected conditions is nothing short of user expecting to get what they paid for. When manufactures call something rugged, and durable, it should live up to the term. Manufactures test devices for water, drops, etc... Now, why on earth would they test for such things? Perhaps because it's what cell phones experience on a daily basis, during normal usage? Humidity/moisture and G ratings on devices are obtained by subjecting them to such. Obviously you wouldn't subject a phone to such conditions unless you knew it was going to be a factor in normal usage? Clearly they don't test them in weightlessness/zero G, depth pressure testing, or an oxygen void environment. Why? Well obviously those aren't areas of normal usage.

And yes, I could see how someone who actually read more of my posts than just the one in front of them would ask if I support Piracy.... especially something posted earlier this morning like this one....

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15254403&postcount=42

Ok, so now that you've brought your favorite car into the equation, humor us and talk about the unrealistic conditions your vibrator may come into. ... .... Better yet, don't. There is no telling where you put that thing. :cool:
[HTC EVO 3D] ls3mach:
Everyone here is dumber having read this... I am not even going to post obscure analogies to show how delusional your logic is.

I know we have consumer protection agencies to protect people. Geeze we need corporate protection agencies to protect vendors from people like this buying their products... This explains SO many of the frivolous law suits in America. This just can't be real.

With customers like you, I am surprised manufacturers even bother to offer any kind of warranty.
[HTC EVO 3D] NoSoMo:
You could have prefaced your post with saying "I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll try and comment anyway." I can see you really want to know what you're talking about, so you need to read up on some famous cases regarding product liability, expected performance, and enforceable clauses buried in agreements not disclosed until after purchase.
[HTC EVO 3D] ColdH33t:
Man if only this thread actually followed the topic...

So far its

- one on the battery

- one under the phone case. By the headphone jack.

- Possibly one within the headphone jack. Haven't confirmed. I know they do this with the iPod and iPhone.

I mean some people come into the forums and ask how to wirelessly tether their phone.

They instantly get PDANet and they're on their way.

Why can't we do the same thing here? Regardless of your opinion on whether or not the practice is right or wrong.

Plenty of people root, and then unroot to bring their phones to the store. The practice is underhanded as well. I don't see people whining about it on the FAQs that say to do this.

The straight fact is, that there are people who have no problem scamming a giant company and there are people who will maintain integrity. I highly doubt even Jye75 has maintained his life as a perfectly upstanding citizen but regardless.

I feel like the main reason this thread has been called out by Jye75 for being fraudulent is because it's not as common as unrooting before going to the store or wireless tethering. I'm not going to dispute it as being an underhanded practice that costs companies money but the simple fact is that rooting is a non manufacturer sanctioned process. You can hide it as well. What's the damn issue if I do it with the hardware?

That hardware costs money? Software can cost just as much.

EDIT:

Cars are complete different things lol. They don't apply here at all XD

Cars can handle most rains. Phones wouldn't last a night outside in the rain.

I don't know much about cars but from what I do know, a repair for a car would be around $500 for something right? Of the original cost of the car. That's not a huge percentage whereas to repair our phones, it's usually about 50% of the original price.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bmberman:
Sorry if this has already been addressed or asked, and I can't post in the dev thread cause of my post count. I recently (Saturday) flashed BAMF RC3 from stock along with the MR2 Radio update. Currently using stock kernel.

Since then when the phone is not connected to a Charger/USB it'll randomly hard lock requiring a battery pull to come back up. It happens at random times while unplugged. I've set the CPU to 1.2~/368 as suggested with no change.

I flashed MR2.5 and seems like instead of the hard lock I'm getting random reboots now. Which IMO is a lot less annoying since a battery pull is PITA.

Anyone have similar issues or suggestions on a fix?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnchad14:
I've had much of the same problems. Things I've tried : full wipe and restoring minimal data, increasing min to 368, turning off fast boot, various roms/radios ...

Hard freezes seemed to be stopped on gingerbamf for me after the fast boot/clock speeds adjusted. Reboots still happen (on mr2 and 2.5)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bmberman:
Thanks for replying least I know I'm not the only one...

So i tried CM7 RC1.1 on MR2.5 and it's rebooting as well. I'll try and disable to fast boot to see if it clears the hard locks. So far I've managed to hard lock CM7, BAMF2.1 and BAMF RC3.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshnichols189:
you can try cm7 with the original radios if it gets really bothersome.. have you tried wiping dalvik when you wipe everything else? What kernels have you been using?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bmberman:
I have been doing wipe data x3, and dalvik x3. I'm using stock kernels
[HTC Incredible S] hussainmushahid:
Is it possible to change the notification bar and/or its icons on a sense rom? Something similar to like CM7. I have read that Metamorph can be used to achieve this but I have no idea where to find its themes.

I am running Android Revolution+ no sense mod thus I have no access to the themes option in sense.

Any help would be appreciated regarding this matter.
[HTC Incredible S] alexronny:
I'm interested too
[HTC Incredible S] hussainmushahid:
Found it my self, use UOT Kitchen and cook something delicious :D
[HTC Incredible S] sheyden:
Weok there are quite a few topics on this topic. But to give a little help.

First of all you can use uot kitchenhttp://uot.dakra.lt/

Or you can change the framework-res.apk yourself. Just decompile edit and recompile it again.

For both ways you need to be rooted.
[HTC Incredible S] bernlim:
Would be extremely thankful if ppl start making sense/nonsense themes especially since the phone has been s-offed!
[Galaxy Tab General] zzelinka:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/30/sprints-galaxy-tab-getting-gingerbread-july-5th

So for all the people who say the Sprint version sucks, first in the US with Gingerbread!

- Z
[Galaxy Tab General] teknikk7:
I love what Sprint's been doing lately. Their all over their $#it.
[Galaxy Tab General] shoman24v:
Hell yeah!
[Galaxy Tab General] oxeneers:
I have a Tab 10.1, but I still use the 7 for every day stuff. Portability reigns supreme. Anyhow, here's the image! ****ING STOKED! Sprint is the best carrier, by and large.

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[Galaxy Tab General] ad720:
Source code availalbe now: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...read-on-july-5th-kernel-source-code-released/

Can we expect some tasty Gingerbread ROMs to call our own?
[Galaxy Tab General] aversusb:
Got a question. I bought the Sprint version off of Woot! a few months back with no intention of getting a data plan on Sprint (unless they would go month-to-month, which they won't) - is this update going to pass me by or is this coming straight off of Google's or Samsung's servers?

Will the Tab "dial home" to confirm update?
[Galaxy Tab General] zzelinka:
My friends complain about Sprint's customer service and crappy service, but with everyone else going away from unlimited and Sprint advertising their unlimited plans, I think they will come out on top this time around...

- Z
[Galaxy Tab General] joeamateur:
I think the GB update will come from Google Server via Wifi connection. You don't need Sprint data plan to get the update.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/sprint-updating-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-with-gingerbread-on-july/
[Galaxy Tab General] Hawk521:
Same question.

Also, must I remove my superuser (root) capability before acquiring the update?

If for some reason we Sprint owners w/o a data plan cannot get Gingerbread OTA will there be a way to load it manually?
[Galaxy Tab General] onlinespending:
say what u want about Sprint's coverage and phone options, but they unquestionably have the best plans. and they are by far the best with customer service. i think they've even been recognized recently as being tops with customer service among the major US carriers by an independent company. i can certainly say they are far superior to AT&T's customer service.
[Galaxy Tab General] pvtjoker42:
This is freaking awesome news! I've been waiting since i bought this tab for word of a GB update! Now if Sprint would get their stuff together and put out the GB update for my Epic too, I'd be a happy camper!
[Galaxy Tab General] lancelane:
+1

Samsung Epic SyndicateROM Frozen 1.1
[Galaxy Tab General] etvaugha:
Someone asked if they needed to unroot before installing the update from Google's servers and I believe the answer is yes. The update will crash if root has been enabled on the device.

Also, since the source code has been released for both the kernel and the platform, can we compile it into flashable binaries ourselves?
[Galaxy Tab General] Radical-J:
FWIW Sprint just came out with a $19.99 1 GB month-to-month plan should you ever feel the need for some 3G. Also if you bought it outright you can get any plan on a month to month basis. Sprint TV only works over 3G not wi-fi
[Galaxy Tab General] aversusb:
Is that region specific? I am in Texas and went to 3 separate Sprint stores and they said even if I brought my own equipment, that to get a data plan on my tab I would have to sign a 2-year contract. Even as a phone customer. They would not allow me to just go month-to-month with my Woot! purchased tab.
[Galaxy Tab General] iliveinabucket:
This is great news, since I'm getting my Tab on July 6th.

I also read that the source code for Sprint's Gingerbread update has been released already.
[Galaxy Tab General] pvtjoker42:
keeping my fingers crossed for a working CM7 soon.. :) Wish I knew enough to help the process, but I've always been a good crash test dummy if someone knows what they're doing and needs testers.. :)
[Galaxy Tab General] ad720:
Same here...
[Galaxy Tab General] cruzstyle:
Cant u still get.this update if yoy root you sgt and sim unlock it? Or is that noy an option on a sgt like other sim unlocking?
[Galaxy Tab General] jay2o01:
hmm, i'd call sprint customer support line and tell them you want to activate a galaxy tab you purchased on a month to month contract. When i called they took my tabs SN and Imei & setup my plan for the tab over the phone (worked within 24 hours). i complained about the activation fee for a while and the rep waived it. I think its in the stores best interest to try to sell you a contract for the associated commission.

the plan listed on the sprint website for my tab is "3G Tablet Connection Plan 2gb." it costs 29.99 +taxes and fees... supposedly the activation is $36, but its pretty easy to get them to waive it if you already have service.
[Galaxy Tab General] michaelmanns:
Netflix Works

Just installed Netflix after update and it works like a dream lol
[Galaxy Tab General] theamazingaustin:
I dont think so dude, especially because I'm assuming you're running GSM over there? And these are all CDMA.
[Galaxy Tab General] swaser18t:
Also not over scroll color
[Galaxy Tab General] jamesbdx:
ah, yeah we're running gsm in europe, oh well i'll just stick with the italian 2.3.3 rom that came out. Thanks anyway for the quick answer
[Galaxy Tab General] BubbaRob1978:
Bluetooth HID is confirmed. My Targus BT keyboard works great. Once you pair the device you select "Samsung keypad" via the input menu.

Wow..the stock browser plays flash content very well now. I can watch the a full screen, high quality episode of Tekzilla without any chopping or studdering. I previously had to select the low quality to get any kind of decent playback. Also this forum site is smooth as silk now when scrolling although there is quite a bit of "checkerboarding" when moving quickly.
[Galaxy Tab General] kabuk1:
I'm trying to update it via stock recovery(I renamed it to "update"), and it gets about halfway through & stops. It shows a triangle with an exclamation point in it & just sits there. What the crap.