yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X10 General] G-FACE:
No, not till october, maybe some days.

He is answering to my question if the delay will be some days or more.

And the answer is:

"It depends. In some cases will be more than just days. With vodafone it will be arround a week. With some of the other operators could be few days. Btw, Globul (bulgarian operatior from the group of Cosmote Greece) approved their firmware lightning fast."

So, he is speaking of the operators, so maybe the Generic kits will be released faster than he says.
[XPERIA X10 General] Neo.:
So the delay applies for Operators firmware?

Wow...People would be *SO* PISSED if the FW gets delayed LOL!
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I'll just say this, if we listened to every person on here that has a friend/lover/spy that works for SE, our ears would be full of crap.

jus' sayin'
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
OP Updated with latest news about the update hitting china next week, and a few edits here and there
[XPERIA X10 General] a.monteiro:
I don't care in which region it will be released first, i'll be getting my gingerbread fix right here at xda as soon as the first rootable link shows up. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
It's not very likely it will be rootable
[XPERIA X10 General] trevagreene:
Why do you say that ?
[XPERIA X10 General] xpaa:
Offcourse it will be rootable... SE is not going to delay it for making unrootable.. Our dev are genius n I believe them.. ;-)
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
YUPS! there is a very high possibility if that!

cause we are getting android OS 2.3.3, the same version as on the Arc/Play/Neo... that specific version patches the gingerbreak exploit... so currently that cant be bypassed/cracked... hence it wont be directly rootable..

hehe... u r partly correct... the DEVS part is correct ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] saimad4u:
guys its now getting difficult to root 2.3.3. Developers are still trying dr best to arc n play but it making things impossible for thm
[XPERIA X10 General] saimad4u:
HAppy...!

guys new update is gona release this week....info frm CHINA MOBILE:p
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
wht!?

Arc & Play (with unlocked bootloader) can be easily rooted even on 2.3.3

[KERNEL] Insecure Kernel For Arc {a.k.a. Easy Rooting!} [FW: 3.0.1.A.0.145]

[KERNEL] OC + Insecure Kernel For Play {More Power + Easy Rooting} [FW:3.0.1.A.0.145]

BUT for those with locked bootloader the situation is BAD :(

i hope we get unlocked bootloader some way or other for X10...
[XPERIA X10 General] saimad4u:
yup im saying abt the people with locked bootloader..
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
For the first time i hope that we will still be able to downgrade with flashtool from Official 2.3.3 to 2.1 to keep a rootable device
[XPERIA X10 General] saimad4u:
fingers crossed...!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Eustachy_Kapusta:
that's why i wont update to official 2.3.3 (-_- bloated rom full of ****ty apps i wont use), i'll for J & Z & other devs to get everything from SE gb and update their roms (like J's cm7 and obrato's MIUI)
[XPERIA X10 General] xpaa:
Is there any Official confirmation?? link please
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
Good idea. As I said earlier in the thread. My mate at SEUK already said the device will not be rootable. I don't know why SE have done this as most of us have blow up, set on fire, even used it as toilet paper to wipe our ass's with, the warrenty. So why stop us from rooting when the damage is already done. I feel SE are trying to get us out of xda. They know about us and they are just jealous as our devs are better than them.

To all devs

I hope you **** and piss on SE bonfire and root and unlock bootloader so SE can see they are a waste of space to society. Thanks to all the devs on there hard work. I might just stay with achotjans work as it runs smoothly and looks like the arc. He will port everything from stock to his rom. That's a fact
[XPERIA X10 General] eureka9092000:
So if it unrootable we cannot extract anything from the rom like camera lib and the rom itself and have to wait for SE to deliver the update to our own countries which might take longer maybe weeks or month after official release..
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
no no.... we can extract the stuff from that rom... thats how the "system dumps" are taken ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] eureka9092000:
Good to know that...:D
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
No. Because adb pull should be able to pull all that off. Think. How did trip (all his hard work wasted) port the arc rom if the arc wasn't rooted. Coz then arc hadn't been rooted yet. It will be possible but it may take a bit of time. I don't know much about adb but I know the basics
[XPERIA X10 General] goRt:
He's a new member and that's his 5th post - you go figure
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
You don't need adb. All it takes is a system.sin and convert it to yaffs2 and extract the contents.
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
How would you get the system.sin if the phone is not rooted. Root explorer wouldn't be able to do it as not rooted. So only thing I can thunk of is adb to pull all the files needed. I'm not saying you are wrong or nothing but I'm all new to the Google Android ways and am still learning the basics.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
yes there are multiple ways to achieve that ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
The sin files gets downloaded to you computer when you flash.

So has nothing to do with the phone. It's all done on the computer you flashed from.
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
So adb is one of them. Like I said I am still learning.

Mainly from you and achotjan. As you gave me the right tools to decompile and read XML. Thanks guys.

Also can you pm me please doomlord and explain how to compile again once editing some things in my mod I'm doing please thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
I'm confused If we update we can't root. Also it's done through pcc and it doesn't directly download to computer. Explain to me how its done so I can learn. Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Yes, right now if you update you will lose root indefinitely.

It does download the files to your computer first. Check inside the folder " db " where you saved SEUS or PCC on your computer. It's a lot like our Flash Tool.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
ppc downloads and stores the sin-files of the firmware on your pc. It won't delete them if update is finished. So no need to system pull, just convert the sin files. But you still won't have root on your phone ;)

Biggest question for me is: will we be able to downgrade to 2.1?

Sent from my rooted X10i using awesome custom roms
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
Oh ok thanks guys.
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
We should be able to using flashtool. If we already have the files then it should be ok shouldn't it. We can downgrade from 2.1 to 1.6 so it should be ok for us to do it with 2.3 to 2.1. Am I right?
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
NO. :D

10 characters.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Maybe
[XPERIA X10 General] tiborprogmed:
this is clear.

You can go back even to 1.6, if you want. Always .

with flashtool.
[XPERIA X10 General] xachiel:
nice thread! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] rachovich:
what actually we need now is some 'traitor' in SE leaking the ROM...

so the developers here can start making better ROMs :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Apokalyptica:
Nice thread :)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Custom ROMs!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
The biggest advantage of the gingerbread update is firmware updates.

The OS, Widgets and apps is just a extra in my eyes.

Custom roms that will follow is the big deal.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
The biggest advantage are actually the sources that can finish the camera etc...
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
LOL.. Well that kinda what i meant. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Razorblade81:
I'm just confused ATM.

SE announced the Gingerbread Update officially on their Site.

I use still EWJets Custom 2.1

When i connect to SE Cmpanion it says 2.1.B.0.1 is available, currently installed 2.1.B.0.19 with Baseband 52 in fact of Custom Kernel.

Ok no need to discard all of my settings.

Any idea that ich can jump directly from Custom Rom to Gingerbrad or must before update to the Firmware proposed from SE :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
personally i've never had problems restoring app data when going from 2.1 to 2.3 (using mybackup root).

But, if i do it the other way around and restore 2.3 apk+data to stock 2.1, I get FCs everywhere.
[XPERIA X10 General] ooidort:
The update must be pretty near since they've updated their X10 specifications to include Android 2.3.

"Update your Xperia X10 smartphone.

The newest Android platform for smartphones

Update your Xperia X10 smartphone to the latest version of Android for smartphones - Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)

The benefits include:

-Unique Facebook integration

-Use your phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot

-Music player with an equalizer

...and more.

Read more about the update --> "
[XPERIA X10 General] MrHassell:
Camera Driver

Is there anything else that this will bring other than a few drivers for 2.3.3?

Look it's really not going to change much, just some drivers and void warranty but that was useless in the first place as nearly everyone has had to modify any X10 to just make it workable, the management at SE should be upgraded really.

I'm not bitter, I keep an X10 and Desire HD as backup / test devices. Galaxy S does what Sony Arc tried well at emulating. SE missed the boat with smart phones and this peace offering, really is nothing more than a camera driver.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
You can't say that yet....there is a chance we will get 16M colors and proper multitouch, meaning this will be a huge update.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
guys there is just no point speculating... we cant really say for sure wht will come and what wont...

quite frankly we shouldnt get our hopes too high... because that will just lead to HIGH expectations and disappointments...

lets just hope that they deliver the update on time (n not postpone it again) and release the sources asap...

if we get something more than wht is promised (via main SE dev blog) then it will be a bonus...
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
I know, i agree with you. From the start I've been one of the ones to stop people from hyping this up. I was just pointing out that writing off this update right now is unfair because we don't know much about it yet.
[XPERIA X10 General] ic3tea:
Nice . Like This .
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
no change in Hungary on their website: "Android 2.3 will be available at the end of Q2/beginning of Q3..." :(
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Hahaha, not bitter... Reread your post. It is completely void of fact.
[XPERIA X10 General] tayub:
its also on the brasi SE site. Update Your X10 with 2.3 Gb

http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/xperiax10?cc=br&lc=pt#view=overview
[XPERIA X10 General] Razorblade81:
It seems that SE is about to prepare the Rollout.

Is the 2.3.3 anywhere listet? I remember there was a site with any Firmware Releases but no clue what's the name of it. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] walidhiphop:
OH man....i can't wait for this update.......
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
Thank you. That's what I said. I can't see why flashtool won't work when we upgrade. At least someone has the same idea as me. Lol
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
what ever info u want feel free to send me a p.m.

@all

regarding the speculation that flashtool may/may not work, guys lets just wait for the GB update to find out!

in my opinion please dont rush to update to GB (stock SE FW) when it immediately available... wait for some time for others to try out and lets see wht all does it have to offer...
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
I'll be a gunie pig lol :D I will see what happens as I'm not to bothered if I can't root or not as I know you devs will sort it out.
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Such as SEUS^-^
[XPERIA X10 General] marcoplo:
question about performace!

Do you guys think that the crap(additional software ) which Se put their will keep X10 still above 1000 in quadrant. So any comment on that thou.

sorry if that stupid question; and for english
[XPERIA X10 General] iDarkyVM:
Hi marcoplo,

Yes I will think we'll get a average of 1000-1300 in Quadrant. With all Sony Ericsson crap removed and a little bit of optimizing, it will get for sure higher. But a high Quadrant score doesn't tell how our phone will perform! It's about how your phone performs with daily use for you.

Regards,

iDarkyVM
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I hope the new kernel will give us a performance boost, no matter if it is 2.6.32 or an improved 2.6.29. Would also be nice for our custom ROMs!
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
We couldn't root the 2.0.2.A.0.24 update, but could still use the Flash Tool. The Flash Tool works like Update Service, and rooting is not required, so I am very optimistic it will still work. They can't close that door. The Flash Tool works on the ARC.
[XPERIA X10 General] leo5111:
whats funny is Flash Tool cant root 2.0.2.A.0.24 but Super 1-Click Does....:D
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
I'll definitely be one of the first to do it. I'll try super one click, flash tool z4 root gingerbreak and any other root thing I can find

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
The dev that made Super one click is now working on getting root on 2.3.3, I think we can try it after he releases the tool =D
[XPERIA X10 General] nachowayne:
I will definitely not be flashing the 2.3 stock firmware when it comes out. I am with ATT anyway so it probably will not be an option. The thing that I have been looking forward to with this update, is finally getting a cm7 mod with a fully functional camera. Until I see that, I will stick with Rendeiro's cm6 scramble mod. Just installed it 2 weeks ago and my phone has never run better.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You have options with AT&T. You are already using custom ROMs, so using the Flash Tool shouldn't be a problem.
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
I will be updating to 2.3 as I know that I can always downgrade back to 2.1 with flashtool. It will work I know it will so root will always be an option. When 2.3 comes out you upgrade them once a full clean working Rom comes out then you downgrade then root then flash.
[XPERIA X10 General] nachowayne:
Yeah, you're right. I flashed 2.1.1 on this thing the day after I brought it home. Used that for a few months until I decided to try out some of the 2.2 mods that are out. Going from 2.1 to 2.2 was a big difference. Just not sure that going from this fast rom I am running now to a stock 2.3.4 config is going to be worth it. I guess I will wait and see what everyone who installs it has to say.
[XPERIA X10 General] leo5111:
it will be worth it, i mean the devs all had to make things work because no offical gingerbread sources for the x10 to work with, so a cleaned out stock 2.34 will be pretty fast until the devs start tweaking the offical 2.3 and make a release:D
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
You're so right. And I'm praying our kernels we made still work. I can't imagine not having overclock now. Lol

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] JazzLOCO:
Also, let's talk about opinions: "just like buttholes, everybody has one" lol

And the delay... I saw it coming a mile away! That is, if it really happens ;)

Sent from my xperia x10a with achotjan 2.2.3 v06 ROM
[XPERIA X10 General] JazzLOCO:
I do have a suggestion, would someone make root stuff like SOC but on Linux, let's say? At least Ubuntu!

Sent from my xperia x10a with achotjan 2.2.3 v06 ROM
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Delay, what delay? There has been no statements from Sony Ericsson about any delays. So it's still scheduled for an August release.
[XPERIA X10 General] sungrad:
I just got ask excited cos my phone said "update now". So I did but out said I've hit the most up to date software! Why bloody tell me to update then!? I got all excited for nothing it seems :-(
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Lol it was probably a PC companion update

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
He said if there is a delay

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
Earlier in the thread there was something about it being delayed due to problems with the camera but can't remember if there was a link to somewhere confirming it.
[XPERIA X10 General] FelipeRRM:
Was travelling and lost the news about the lack of multitouch, could someone post a link to it? That is pretty sad though...
[XPERIA X10 General] videofreak2:
Does anybody have a rough estimate on when this update will be available in Australia? I've been waiting ages for this, and am seriously considering flashing Cobrato's MIUI. Running stock 2.1 at the moment.
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Rumor has it July 27th.

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] videofreak2:
Alright thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
No update here... I wanted to bet on the date. Thought it's not gonna be out this weekend, but if u ask me, not even next week... :-(
[XPERIA X10 General] xpaa:
Remember there is a gingerbread fw at ptb..and other source of leaked video and all.. that is a good sign for relesing it soon... I am hoping for this weekend. ;-)
[XPERIA X10 General] Mayazcherquoi:
It would be the same as everyone else I'd imagine.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Nope, the update will come out different times in different places. We don't know exactly when or where it'll be delayed, but it probably will be...that's how they did it with 2.1 as well.

My best bet would be around mid-end August max for most of the world.
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
they have a half day, lol, i'm guessing no...

btw i suppose the update will come to generic fw first, then for operator customized, won't it? so i should be in the first group getting it...

i can't wait, and will update it as soon as it pops up regardless of root. for me it's more important to have a decent camera, bluetooth and wifi than root. that's why i restored 2.1 instead of custom 2.2. though the speed was amazing, 2.1 jitted feels fast this time as well and everything is working as it should (this is not to disrespect the devs, bow down to them, but yet, that's the truth for now :( )
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
what about India guyz....??

how much time its gonna take after release??
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Not sure. If u update to generic your garunteed to get it

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
So 3 days left until the update rolls out. According to a rumor that's the date. Can't wait. I'm downgrading the day before

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
i guess 27th july is impossible because they said in aguest even if the update is ready they wont roll it out<i`m sure the update is ready because of FW in ptcrb and leaked videos and they delaying for `unknow reason!
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
they don't wanna break their promise again. they promised it for early august, which from end of Q2 early Q3 we know it's mid august, but not earlier :-/ lame :D so i guess we still have 2-3 weeks to go on our current firmwares
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
The video with Gingerbread update, it's not original. It maybe a copy from the original. The original video was changed to private after 2 days a visitor of SE Blog found it on youtube and then a day later, it's deleted.

EDIT: I will not update till have information from xda dev that it can be ROOTED. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
It's with FlashTool, of course it's yes. But you can't downgrade to 2.1 without hacking tools like Flashtool as SE said :D
[XPERIA X10 General] marcoplo:
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[XPERIA X10 General] DeViL_DiCe:
I´ve just been to the Sony Ericsson site. In portuguese it mentions the gingerbread update and if we continue it says that the new update is available. I tried it in engligh so everyone can see and got to the following site:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/update/?cc=gb&lc=en&pid=xperiax10

If you choose the X10 you get a window saying what I just said. Can anyone confirm that the update is already available in some countries? I cannot test it at the moment since I don´t have time right now...
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
It says it's 2.1, mate...
[XPERIA X10 General] DeViL_DiCe:
It seems you´re right (sorry...), but when I get back to portuguese, they already mention the gingerbread update. Maybe it´s just to get the people nervous =).

Eitherway, let´s hope and see if the update gets here this week or if we have to wait any longer...
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
Not this week, my bet is the 1st or the 2nd week of august...
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
How do you know not this week?

Anything now is just opinion and guesswork.....

No one knows for sure
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
However, China Mobile confirmed that next week they will receive so just hope that we will have too.
[XPERIA X10 General] marcoplo:
According to my studies the update will be avaible next week but i think the end of it because

1

2

just for clarification have look

ever thing was taken from sony ericsson blog
[XPERIA X10 General] TenkaTsai:
No, they don't. It's just a rumor.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Btw this isn't the actual Rikard, its just some random person using his name
[XPERIA X10 General] marcoplo:
but this one was quote there few time by diffrent people "Richard S":confused:

if this was not a Richard why they dont keep it tide then. Its suppose to be deleted thou, because this blog have some kind of repuation, does it?

BTW what is the problem will have good christmas present :D:D:D:D

####EDIT#### Aha this company does not have any reputation so why does this blog. So now I understand.
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
Lol it was orginal i downloaded and uploaded for you guys when it was private.

the zippyshare link was mine it`s orginal .
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I don't believe SE is bound by your definitions. Technically end of Q2 / beginning of Q3 could be anywhere between May 16 and August 15th. SE never used the word middle, so that is your own interpretation.
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
just tried pcc.. my phone is up-to-date... it's already after 4pm here & in sweden, don't expect anything more.

and yeah, i'm just guessing...
[XPERIA X10 General] marcoplo:
what is the problem Q2 -Q3 but which year ?

tell you what See you at Christmas :D:D:D:D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] FelipeRRM:
:confused::confused::(:(:(:(:(
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
i don't agree. actually if you think business, the beginning of a quarter is the first month, the middle is the 2nd and the end is the 3rd, but that's also just simple math and i don't see any other reasonable explanation of those terms.

but those swedish guys usually have extended understanding of lead times or dead lines if they set it up for themselves (sorry, if that hurts any Swedish mate over here, that's just my personal experience, and might be limited to an actual company) now it's time for me to stop talking, already said to much :D
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
that's the end of Q4, isn't it? :D lol
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Yes, you said too much. You don't see any other reasonable explaination? Beginning of is the first half and end of is the second half. You divided by 3 months and added middle, which is your own addition.
[XPERIA X10 General] franksmj:
recent 2.1 B Update for x10 reply..this is to clear the rumours

Most of the peoples will get a message "New update is available" while connecting your x10 to PC via PC companion .....

The fact is.... Sony Ericsson released 2.1B. update for X10... that was released long time back...may 2011.... It is not a gingerbread update...It's just a update for 2.1 and It gives .67 Baseband version for our x10...

Most the custom ROM work smoothly on .67 baseband... Don't confuse with this update with android 2.3 update...
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
But isn't that the logical?