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[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What a LAME response. Super LAME.

This isn't about the mass market, and even if it was, guess what? Sprint is losing money and Verizon is killing everyone. But forget that, we're on XDA. You're the one ignoring the fact that Verizon can be a cheap attractive offer. The fact that you refuse to answer questions with obvious answers shows that deep down inside you agree. You really are quite a character.

Here are the take-a-ways:

- Verizon is faster across the board and has more coverage.

- You can get grandfathered into unlimited plans right now.

- 450 minutes + data + unlimited GV texting for $69.98 is an attractive cheaper option for us and anyone who knows what they are doing.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
lol I dont even know why you try to have logical discussion with that dude. He will just dance around every valid point you make like always.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
And with that increase you get better coverage, better data speeds both 3G AND 4G, a wider phone selection, etc. Being cheaper gets you the cut corners like Sprint did by using Clear for 4G rather than building their own 4G as Verizon did. You get what you pay for.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
No. They won't have any before the deadline.

If you're really gung-ho you can buy a 3G phone now at full price & just wait.;) Just go before the deadline.

@AwardTour & Matty If you had a donate button, I'd fund you both boxing gloves, Red for AwardTour & Yellow for Matty.:D

You both make good points but I don't think you can hear each other.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
This is my last response to you.

You will delude the argument to any degree just so you never have to admit you're wrong.

Your loopholes are garbage and are not relevant in a side by side comparison.

This is your argument: <insert upscale grocery store name> is actually the same price or cheaper than <insert lower priced grocery store name> if you do what they do on extreme couponing. :rolleyes:

Also, by the way, your 5 numbers to call whomever for free argument that you've tried before in a different thread with this conversation is only applicable on the 900 minute plan (59.99 / month)

But of course you'd leave that detail out, wouldn't you?

The discussion isn't "what's the better value" it's that Verizon had better have a better network considering the doubled customers and higher pricing. (That everyone in the world except Award Tour, with his BS loophole that no one knows about and if people used would be closed immediately, acknowledges.)

I 'hear' him just fine.

Loopholes aren't fair in comparing things.

He's the only person on this earth that would argue that they are and only because he wouldn't admit his mistake if someone had a gun to his head.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Another fluff post by you. I NEVER brought up the myFavs/GV unlimited calling on this thread. NEVER. You just brought it up now because you have no valid points. But since you brought it up:

Yes, you can pay $59.99 for 900 minutes plus the 5 unlimited numbers and add the $29.99 unlimited data. Then you can assign your GV number as one of your unlimited numbers and effectively get unlimited calling to anyone. You could also use GV for unlimited texting over Verizon's superior network, all for just $89.98, $10 more than Sprint's $79.99 plan which does not offer unlimited calling to any number (but no worries, you do however get the privilege to never use Sprint's ****ty navigation solution).

You're analogy to a grocery is also retarded by the way. So if grocery A offered better quality food at a cheaper price through the use of a coupon, and grocery B offered worse quality food at slightly higher cost with no coupon, I'm suppose to go with grocery B? Man, you're a ****ing genius of reasoning, dude. Why aren't you running the country?
[EVO 4G General] mufc1991:
Point is simple. For XDA'ers that know their way around their phones Verizon and Sprint for similar services have comparable prices.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Did I say you brought it up here? Hmmm...reads the post... no I didn't. Certainly shows that you're willing to delude the truth to stand by what you say though.

My analogy is a fair comparison due to the fact that not all areas are the same.

Plenty of people in this thread have posted Sprint EVDO speeds way faster than Verizon's.

It's not black and white.

Hell, we had someone post Wimax speeds faster than Verizon's LTE.

Different areas, different results....some areas Verizon is terrible and Sprint is great...what for your comments about Verizon's superiority there?

I'm really tired of your little mouth just because someone doesn't agree with you.

You don't even have an Evo you use yet you come on here to stir things up.

I'm done buying into your crap posts about loopholes that will soon be removed and all your other nonsense.

Fair

side by side comparisons canNOT include loopholes.

Whether or not you continue to try to argue that they can, I won't be here to argue back.

None of this was even relevant to the point of the post that started it.

/ignore

And only if that were relevant to the discussion which spawned from this.

Which it's not.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Ah, logical thinking goes over you head again. Well no **** there's variability, but these tests clearly say one thing: the average user will experience faster, and in the case of LTE/"4G" significantly faster, data on Verizon. I'm not even sure what's the point of your argument. It's like playing russian roulette with 4-5 out of 6 bullets in the gun and arguing for the win.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
"Waaaa, waaa, Verizon is only cheaper if you're not retarded otherwise it's $10 more. Waah, waaah."

That's basically what I hear from you.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Fine, I'll give you the stupid loophole just so you shut your damn mouth and return to the Nexus S forums or the Thunderbolt or whatever phone sub-forum has to sadly deal with you.

$10 more is still more than Sprint. 12% more.

Which goes back to this post and makes my entire point correct.

Now, you "won" are you happy? Can you leave now?

Damn dude...
[EVO 4G General] mufc1991:
You lost...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Sure whatever.:rolleyes:

More accurate to say "I gave into his bs so he would hopefully leave as the whole damn conversation had nothing to do with what it turned in to"

All hail Verizon and All hail Award Tour.

Truly life could not exist without both. ;)
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
We've been through this before man.

Just because you say something doesn't mean its the truth.

Read the linked post.

I said "....tends to be..." I didn't say always.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
I'm not agreeing with anyone here, but $10 can make or break someone even more with how much gas is right now. That's how it is for me at least, the big reason I'm with Sprint is because I'm on the Sprint dealer plan from Radio Shack and only pay like $30 a month, and if I ever get out of that then my current work right now doesn't offer any type of discount for Verizon service, but they do Sprint and AT&T(yuck).
[EVO 4G General] a1platnum:
^ this

That's about where I'm at wfrandy. Let's hope project vision kicks in by the end of the year like Sprint says.

Swyped from my HTC Supersonic: EVO 4G
[EVO 4G General] abanh:
Sprint's 3g is horrid right now, and this comparison just confirms what most of us already know.

Matty - please give it up. Your original argument that Verizon plans are 50% more than Sprint is just way off base. I'd say most of us chose sprint because of the value, but its ok to criticize where they fall short.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
First of all...

What does that mean? Let's consult the dictionary folks.

Go run a quote on a family plan of 4 lines with unlimited everything and insurance and navigation....here I'll do it for you and compare it with my bill:

I have plenty of friends with Verizon and I've seen their bills.

How many times on these forums does this have to be discussed?

Also, when did I state it wasn't okay to criticize?
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
No he didn't. Verizon is tiered and more expensive. Everyone still loses though cause Sprint will most likely be next :(

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
Where is the walmart speed comparison those bastards
[EVO 4G General] culua:
So your saying everywhere in the united states sprint has the ****ty data speed?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Its an average.

Its like a life expectancy.

If its 78 you're not guaranteed to get to 78.

Half the population dies before half dies after.

Half the population gets less than the posted speed, half gets higher.

There are some places where Sprint 3g is what 3g is supposed to be...or better.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
No, that would be a median. A mean (or average) is something different. It still doesn't mean that you are guaranteed that result, though.

Edit: just as a for instance: if I have 100 marbles, matty has 50, and 2 other dudes have 25 each, the average would be 50. 1 above average, one at average, two below average. Now, if we then met 9 other dudes that had 10 marbles each, and 2 dude who only got 5 marbles each (their parents didn't love them), that would be an average of 20 marble each. with far more people below average than above.
[EVO 4G General] culua:
Well I'm not *****ing about data speed but I do get slow speed but it isn't a big deal. Highest 3g I gotten is atleast 1.7m. Overall I'm satisfy with sprint service. These ladies need to stop with the gang wars whos carrier is better. I sign up for sprint for my reason not other people reason.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You're right, I misspoke.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
I like Sprint for phones service and price speeds can suck sometime but its a phone not a cable internet provider and the more smart phones that come our for cheap the more bandwidth also I keep in mind we are in a transition from ip4 and ip6 cause iv also noticed other things like isp speed becoming a little slower just my two cents and sprints speeds are fine unless you r trying to dl ****
[EVO 4G General] abanh:
Go consult the dictionary? Your condescending tone is ridiculous. You make a general statement, and then you take a narrow and specific example to prove the general statement?

As far as you not being able to take criticism, why do you get all butt hurt when someone criticizes Sprint? I'm still with Sprint but I don't go attacking others when someone criticizes my mobile network. I'm staying with sprint because I hope network vision will solve the data issues, but what I won't do is go on a tirade if someone tells me sprint needs to fix their data issues.
[EVO 4G General] PhillyCheez:
This thread reminds me of mac vs pc's...

Sprint (or any carrier) doesn't even compare to verizon in terms of coverage and LTE bandwidth... No argument cause its a fact. As for prices... clearly Sprint wins in that department.

Who cares anyway? If you are happy stick with them. If not then switch.

I just find it funny how people can get so defensive over who's carrier is better cause we are all getting fuk'd in the ass no matter who you use. At least no one here uses at&t... They get double penetrated everyday.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
My attitude?

Maybe you wouldn't get an attitude if you actually READ what was typed out instead of just acting on emotions.

The sick part of all this is that I don't have a problem if someone has criticism of Sprint.

They're not perfect.

No one is.

That's not the point.

The problem here is this biased BS like this speed test.

It is not fair to ANY carrier to make comparisons like what was done here.

Like I said earlier, you wanna compare unfairly?

Okay...lets compare T-Mobile's edge and Sprint Wimax...

You see what's wrong with that comparison? Because that's what's wrong with this speed comparison.

Let me assure you. If Sprint's speeds were the highest I would still have the same problem with this little news article as I do now.

The Verizon LTE network has less usage than any other network out there....by far.

So no that doesn't mean it has more bandwidth available.

Its not fact.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Finally someone speaks truth here.

It'd be nice if most could have my 3G/4G performance on Sprint. (Gloating)
[EVO 4G General] PhillyCheez:
Wow... Do you honestly think Wimax is faster than LTE? Serious question...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Dude...you really have no idea what you're talking about so I'm giving you friendly advice by suggesting you go and read before you speak further.

LTE and Wimax are both capable of the same speeds.

There are a few reasons why Verizon's LTE is faster than Clear's and it has nothing to do with the fact that its LTE and not WIMAX.

Currently wimax is stuck in a much higher frequency.

This causes issues especially related to buildings.

Just read up on this man I don't have all night to spend explaining this.

If Sprint could run Wimax at the same frequency as Verizon's LTE then Wimax would be in the same boat.

Sigh.

Wimax is actually a better choice.

Why?

Because it is closer to a standard. It is also a lot cheaper to upgrade to wimax 2 (true 4g) than LTE to LTE ADVANCED.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
What's unfair with the tests? Sprints EVDO speeds are slower than Verizon's and metro pcs' own evdo network. If we blanket att/tmo hspa as 3g, that's faster than sprints evdo too. Unfair? You compete with what you got. Acknowledging that evdo is slower than hspa doesn't make it any better. To add insult to injury att hspa is just about as fast as sprints wimax and tmobiles hspa is faster! Verizon's lte is significantly faster too. Sprint loses all around. There's nothing really more to take away from these tests. Sprints data is the slowest of pretty much all carriers even including the non big-4.
[EVO 4G General] PhillyCheez:
Well that answers that question...

Your absolutely right. Sprints Wimax is better... Keep on believing that and good luck to you. Enjoy your great Sprint plans cause they are fantastic for what you get.

Also, I am glad to hear Wimax is capable of the same speed as LTE. I can't wait to see that happen in 2015. Hopefully Sprint is still around by then.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You really truly don't see what's wrong with the comparisons, even after I gave you a blatant example twice and one time in the very post that you are quoting, do you?

What are you talking about?:confused::confused::confused:

Somebody PLEASE tell me where I said this.

We were talking about LTE and Wimax as two standards.

Jesus tap dancing Christ!

You people don't read or listen at all, you simply respond on emotion.

Gets real old.
[EVO 4G General] PhillyCheez:
Yes we ALL don't know how to read. If you were actually realistic with your arguments maybe we would ALL be on the same page as you. You remind me of a great troll I once argued with. He was a professional.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
Your examples don't hold any weight. You say compare wimax to edge, is it slower? Of course. But if tmo only had edge, I and everyone else would say sprint is the faster network. Tmo would have nothing more to give no matter how unfair you think the comparison is. But that's not the case.

Right now the landscape is:

Tmo, Verizon are faster than Sprints fastest network (wimax) and att is marginally slower, if you compare traditional phones that don't require an additional or specific radio (hspa+, lte, or wimax) everyone is faster than sprint. Everyone.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You can call the comparisons between different networks unfair all you want but it doesn't change the fact that:

A: if you compare EVDO networks as a group, Sprint's is the slowest.

B: if you compare the fastest network available on each carrier, Verizon and T-mobile are faster and ATT is not significantly slower (and that's without mentioning that they are launching a LTE network that will almost without a doubt be faster than their current HSPA network).

C: If you compare networks that don't require a "special" (psuedo "4g" since I know you like to ***** over irrelevant ****) radio, Sprint is slower than all networks tested. All of them.

So make all the arguments you want, but from a use case perspective Sprint's network is the slowest.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Name calling doesn't make anything you say valid. You don't know what you're talking about with respect to Wimax and LTE. End of story.

Do you remember this post?

You should. It clearly states how the comparison should have gone.

You just said

You're right, it's not the case. Nor is it the case that Sprint only has CDMA.

But it is exactly what was done in this "speed report"

They compared an old standard to a new one.

This is a fair comparison chart right here:

What's so hard about that?

Oh wait, it wouldn't be skewing the results. That's the problem.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Not true, AT&T's 3G is x3 faster than AT&T's HSPA+ 4G. Fast & AT&T 4G is laughable. 1.3 Mbps down avg is a joke.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Okay so we're all in agreement - Sprint's network is slow.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Hey god forbid you actually read what's been said the past 3 days in this thread, instead of constantly going on the offensive against Sprint and against me, you'd actually realize that I never denied anything about the pure data. Just how it was presented which was in an abhorrently biased and above all idiotic, extremely unfair manner.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Look at the tests, ATT's HSPA network pulled down 2.2 Mbps on average with highs of 9.4 Mbps. Sprint's WiMax network pulled down 2.88 Mbps on average with highs of 10.46 Mbps. ATT is launching a LTE network in just a few months, so not only would their near nation wide HSPA+ network be almost as fast but they'll soon have a secondary network that will VERY likely be faster than Sprint's WiMax and probably by a lot. Of course this is just an assumption but why would ATT launch a LTE network that isn't (noticeably) faster than their primary network?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
This question was asked before so I'll take a stab at it:

Two reasons:

1) It sells. "OMZGZ GUYZS WE GOTAZ DA LTESS LYKE VERIZAN"

2) Network reliability which is the same reason MetroPCS is adding LTE.

MetroPCS clearly stated it wasn't about speeds at all.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Who cares how they presented, we're the ones who are taking that data and making legitimate sense of it. If you didn't notice people are differentiating the type of networks.

...and I don't think it's unfair since most regular non-HSPA+ phones can in fact take advantage of a HSPA+ network. For example my iPhone 4 can hit 3-5 Mbps because of it.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

Who cares how? Because it's a misrepresentation of the data!

You thrive on arguing don't you?

It's your food, your air.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Wishful thinking at it's best -- in your fanboy, Sprint apologist mind you pray that it's true. Reality however will likely point else where.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I think on this site I've named called maybe 4 times.

You are a troll.

The purest definition of it.

You don't discuss, you try to start **** then, even after agreement, you still continue it.

Get a life, seriously.

I have nothing more to say to you, you don't discuss, you troll. Good day.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
AT&T is banking on a merger to get LTE up off the ground effectively, their HSPA+ is horrid. T-Mobile is doing something right with HSPA+ that AT&T is still struggling to do.

AT&T is in the worst network condition compared to any carrier, with the exception of T-Mobile. Sprint is in a much better position as far as LTE goes.

AT&T should be doing as well as Verizon in that department but sadly its not the case.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
No, it's that it doesn't matter. Sprint is slower, people have been differentiating and interpreting the results correctly and all you do is cry about how the original chart might be framed unfair if you look at it from a certain perspective. The data is solely trying to tell people who has the fastest overall network which it correctly labels Verizon as the fastest. All you can do is cry about how it's unfair to say that HSPA+ shouldn't be compared to EVDO. Well, guess what? Like I said, a regular "3G" phone on ATT/TMO will still be able to get the average speeds that are faster than even Sprint's average WiMax speeds. So what the hell is your point anyway?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You just don't don't realize how bad your reasoning is.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Their HSPA+ network has average speeds that are only marginally slower than Sprint's WiMax network, so if that's horrible so is Sprint's WiMax network.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Forget the test, just speed test an Atrix/Inspire (not inside the AT&T store) in Brooklyn & then your EVO. Huge margin.

In my locale it decimates AT&T here in Philly, Washington, Baltimore & New York City.

You saw my speedtest, AT&T doesn't come close to that even at its best.

The 3G performance on AT&T is far better than their HSPA+, its very backwards.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I can get 3-5 Mbps on a iPhone 4 in Brooklyn, NY and that's not even a HSPA+ device. Regardless, this test that covers various areas > your area tests.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
I mentioned various areas I've tried this in, you mentioned your iPhone 4 which avgs 3-5Mbps on 3G, you are getting AT&T's fastest avg speeds.

You see about 6-7 in store with a repeater on AT&T 3G.

The maximum avg for HSPA+ on AT&T is about 3Mbps max in various areas, a quick youtube browsing will show you this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5NEOxmzGeQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWD1Y-y5c4
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
I really wanted to make a joke about other things that cover a larger area, but felt that this thread's ridiculousness already eclipses the previous standard* without any mention of my ballsack. But, I was thinking of you guys, and it is the thought that counts, right?

*The lone exception being the lulz-lookee-at-meh-data-usage/wifi-tether-raped-my-mom thread, which I believe collapsed under the weight of its own ridiculousness, forming a sort of black hole of absurdity, forever altering the very fabric of reality around it.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Who cares about speeds so much damn this thread is insane and if you don't like Sprint move the **** on. Go to someone else and stfu and Jesus just drop it let the thread die we all know Sprint is slow atm damn hopefully the rumors of fixes and this lightsquared **** will fix sprint.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
I find your sporadic use of punctuation intriguing...
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Lol anytime :p
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
This seems like as good a place as any to drop this...
[EVO 4G General] bluedevils2003:
f speeds

Who cares about speeds. What's a phone for call and text right ya I'm good and I had tmobile for 4 years there cs sucks and phones blow,ATT and verizion over priced and over rated only reason there still a float is they have the iblow ......great a pos phone that really hasn't change in the last few years .....I Love Sprint they the cheapest. Plus you get more for what you pay ,great cs, and great phones ...data speeds. Who cares .....flip it to wifi and I'm happy with that
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Um, new to smartphones? Maybe that is what YOUR phone is for, but between my wife and I, we used a grand total of 100 minutes last month. And I might have sent 60 texts. Gtalk is your friend. I mostly use my phone to surf the web, send/receive work emails, play games, watch movies, and listen to music...in that order. Calling people and texting comes after all of this in my list of most used features. Not saying they aren't important...but I will often go a full 36 hours between actual calls.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Speeds only matter to such a degree when it comes to phone data related needs.

Realistically, you can't tell the difference between 3mbps and 12 mbps on a phone.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
If sprint was on top this guy would be parading around here saying the opposite.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No, you don't know me bud.

Do not make assumptions about me.