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[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] TheMyx:
With NoDo, you can't directly access an SQL server.

And even with Mango, I'd be careful doing such a thing, it can really be dangerous on many levels.

The best solution would be to use a web service, which could be accessed from your phone (via the WebClient class) and would handle the dirty work of connecting to the database and executing SQL queries (eg. inserting or retrieving data and outputting in XML format). This way even if you alter the structure of your database you don't have to change a single line of code in the app (that means you'll avoid resubmission), but only the web service code.

As a general suggestion, handle the more things you can server-side.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] StevieBallz:
SQL Protocols are not really designed to work over slow/unreliable connections like the Internet, especially when it comes to 3G and so on. So it really would be best to encapsulate everything into a WebService to which you then send the Nickname, Game and Score and which allows to get the top rankings as well as a given players rankings.

I guess we won't see the ability to connect to remote SQL Servers through ADO.Net as it most likely would lead to bad user experience anyhow.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] win98:
i am good in sql and there are free sql hosters, thats why i wanted to try it with sql.

so, the webservice, is this kind of php? can i also get some free hosters for these services?

i found in google some sample code, but i dont understand where the data will be "stored". Is this going to be like a "cloud app"

edit: grrr looking for "free webservices" in goog but i just find free homepage hosting sites :(
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Greg2k:
I find this topic really interesting because it tackles something I just can't wrap my head around: getting Windows Phone 7 to interact with a SQL database just doesn't seem like it's been explained in a straightforward enough manner.

For instance, my case is one where I need my app to extract info from a MySQL db stored on my website, parse that data and display each entry as an item in a pivot control. Turns out that no, SQL is not supported natively so I must go out of my way and recode my data into something that WP7 can understand; I read it's XML and that makes sense, so I have designed an auto-updating XML file on my website with data I want fed into the WP7 app. This is a workaround to connecting directly to a SQL database, as it only requires there to be a PHP file periodically creating an XML file with the info I need and it won't expose any SQL connection credentials, etc. I do not manage users on my site, so maybe win98 needs to find a way for WP7 to call a PHP page, send it a user ID or something and then retrieve that user's info. But any way, I think XML can work perfectly as a means to communicate between SQL and WP7 apps.

But, I don't know how to make this XML file populate the pages of my app. In Expression Blend I can import the XML as sample data, but it does this during design time and not at run time. This means that Blend can see my data and display it how I want it displayed, but I can't take this to runtime and have it displayed like that on the phone. So far, I haven't seen a single easy to follow step by step tutorial on how to parse information coming from an XML file on a WP7 app.

Any suggestions on how to overcome this hurdle we both face? I am familiar with web programming, but I know jack sh*t about C#, so Linq is greek to me.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] andycted:
Ok so I really got this wrong, that with Mango you get SQL and ports support so that you can remotely interact with an SQL server, with sql commands pretty much like you would do on a desktop and how you could do with WinMo ??

Best practices aside, You still get to do that with webservices ?
[Epic 4G General] shawayne21:
So I'm positive everyone see's this question all the time. But they always judge it on the stock phones. Well I'm looking to get one of these phones, but to ROOT them. Which one do you believe I should get and why? I'm also looking into battery life even though buying an extended battery isn't a problem. Also which rom do you think is best for your pick? Thanks in advance.

Will be posting in both sides to get more answers
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Epic 4g

Froyo= SyndicateROM Frozen 1.2

Gingerbread= AnonymousROM i3
[Epic 4G General] Xhyperion:
Boobs
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
your second PWNED
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
LOL ^ 4th

Btw, I'd choose Epic over Shift.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
You don't need more answers lol, just the 1st post, wait! And 2nd... yeah your going to need the 2nd one also.

...5th!

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] cds0699:
I would bet that the Epic would perform better and imo the keyboard is also better. Epic is easily rooted and has a nicer display. Easy pick.

And everyone needs boob!
[Epic 4G General] Kif420:
Mmmm.. boobs....

7th..
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
The epic pretty much is an all around better phone

An argument could be made on the SW side, but that falls by the wayside if you are not staying stock

Mainly, the EVO Shift is simply missing to many top level hardware items, that make it a upper mid range phone rather than the top tier the Epic is
[Epic 4G General] Xiutehcuhtli:
I was faced with the same question when I bought not long ago.

Screen size favors Epic (4.0" - 3.6" That's a significant difference in Real Estate)

Screen brightness favors Epic (Samsungs Super AMOLED easily tops anything HTC has IMO)

Keyboard favors Epic (the larger size of the phone spaces the keys better, Epic has 5 rows including dedicated number row)

Processor favors the Epic (1.0 Ghz Hummingbird - 800 Mhz Snapdragon)

I believe rated battery stock time is 5.50 hrs for Epic to 6.00 for Shift.

Epic has front facing camera (which I never use, but some people do I'm sure)

The list goes on, but you can google other features.

As far as Flashing ROMs, I am NOT really tech savvy, but after reading through these forums I was not only able to root the phone quickly, but flashing was simple and I have found the ROMs I've used to be stable and functional with very few bugs. Can't beat that.

Epic, all the way.
[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
Epic. Who ever choosed shift needs a swift kick in the wallnuts.
[Epic 4G General] jeffyv2:
Yummy boobs
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
Even though i love my epic i would go with the shift because it has locked gps in a few seconds and capable of overclocking to 2.0Ghz and 1.6Ghz stable.

Its fun to use but i like epic 4g because of its screen. and Samsung is Easy to manipulate and easy to use like rooting and all that stuff.

But now its easy to get the Shift rooted in all.

I just like the bigger screen and AMOLED is deal breaker. i went with the shift at 1st because Samsung pissed me off as well as thousands more, with a certain phone.
[Epic 4G General] shawayne21:
Thanks everybody for your answers .. I'm leaning towards the Epic now.

Yeah .. I'm leaning more towards the Epic though just because of the screen and 5 row keyboard.. But the thing I heard is that the Epic phones screen black out all the time, and I'm not going to have insurance or be on Sprint (flashing) .. And the HTC build quality is superior to Samsung. So I'm stuck.. any more suggestions?
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
I figured I would post this here, even though I also placed it in the troll thread, as it was having the same discussion

I haven't heard of the Epic screens blacking out, but mine has held up beyond belief, even after facing harsh abuse.

IMO, it is a not a "power/speed" issue that makes the EVO Shift a lesser phone, but the overall lack of top end hardware features, and those CAN'T be modded in later

Here are several reviews with the conclusions, as well as links to the original reviews, and the Epic is not just a winner, but a CLEAR winner in every case.

From Techd

From gizmo

From Brighthub
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
heres the thing though Shift is running 2nd Gen Snap. And even @ 800Mhz it pulls double score than Epic @1Ghz both on froyo.

Then Shift on 2.3 just blows the sh*t outta the Epic.

Newer Technology is better.

Older Technology is Wiser.

But in the end its all down to personal preference.

Just mess with both phones see what you really like and want.
[Epic 4G General] cds0699:
But official GB is just around the corner for the Epic (and already available if rooted). So with that, its still weigted twords the Epic imo.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Never had my screen go black or anything at all for that matter, but that would be covered by manufactures warranty I think.

The screen is amazing.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
What do you mean goes black out? like the power saving feature? you can set the timer on that...

As for build quality..who told you HTC phones have better build quality? that is a myth created because the samsung phones feel so light..the build quality is top notch, not to mention Gorilla Glass..

What scores? don't tell me quadrant/linpack...
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
SmartBench 2010 and other various benchmarks but Quadrant does pull higher but thats not point. the point is its newer technology 45nm instead of 65nm.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
In smartbench they pull around the same per mhz..shift overclocked to 1.2ghz and epic overclocked to 1.2ghz give around same score for productivity..but Epic has higher gaming.

Quadrant is just a VFP measure on snapdragon processors for the cpu score..

and...both the 2nd gen snapdragon and hummingbird are 45nm..
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
Yes but we have 1st gen hummingbird which is 65nm
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Where did you get this information?

both the S5PC110 and S5PV210 are 45nm...

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1043
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
Some Bastards lie to me apparently but anyways yes both phones are good but Shift performs a tad better for being 200Mhz less than our Epic's
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
And I just read that 1.8ghz is unstable, so it overclockes just 200 ghz more than ours, but yeah. Epic for preformance stability easy root flash, and *shift for? Other? Lol personal prefrence now, both really good phones though

*Edit* I honestly meant shift lol.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
lol...well what do you define "preforms better"..from what I see it clock for clock they perform around the same. Keep in mind we need a Gingerbread build + EXT4 to see our true potential as Froyo brought Dalvik optimization to the snapdragon and we get Dalvik optimization in Gingerbread..then take away the RFS and our performance should pretty good IMO

Realistically 1ghz or 800mhz does not make a big deal for most functions..I mean look at your CPU usage..you will notice our CPUs rarely ever even use 1ghz unless we are running some intensive stuff..

so 200mhz higher overclock which is more battery consumption on Evo shift or 2x better GPU on Epic :/
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
I think for now, they are even matches from my point of view (as with nearly any sprint 4g phone available). I love CM and sense so I nearly traded for one.

Epic Pros:

Twice as powerful GPU (I don't use this, not a gamer)

Super Amoled (duh)

VOODOO Sound (I love this)

Bigger Screen

Front Facing Camera (I don't use this)

Five Row Keyboard (better than the four row on the Shift)

Shift Pros:

More manufacturer agnostic rom support (AOSP, CM7, MIUI) (do want)

Better battery life when rooted (do want)

Working FM Radio (also want)

Non-pentile display

This is a dilemma for me now because my dad is upgrade eligible and I want him to get something other than the epic but I don't know what. Every phone has it's advantages.

Epic

Pros:

Keyboard

Hummingbird

Super-Amoled

Cons:

Availability of AOSP roms

Battery life for heavy users (me)

Shift

Pros:

Keyboard

Better Battery life

Cons:

four row qwerty

average display and GPU performance

No Front Facing Camera

Evo 3D

Pros:

Dual Core CPU

qHD display

Cons:

Battery life

New Phone so no custom roms (yet!)

Nexus S

Pros:

Pure AOSP (nuff said)

Hummingbird

Super-Amoled

Cons:

Radio issues (would be a big problem for me but Idk how bad it really is)
[Epic 4G General] steviee7:
by your specs you need to add hummingbird and super amolded to the epic because it has those too.
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
It doesnt matter depends on kernel i know a guy on sdx who has 1.8 stable.

his name is physco something
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
How many hours of life does the Shift get with custom roms. It's not a problem in my world and I use pretty heavy.
[Epic 4G General] shawayne21:
I just bought the Epic off eBay :D

Thanks for helping me decide guys. The Epic android community (all of you guys) also seem more fun and responsive than the shift community and it seems i made the right choice. Thanks guys. Will post back once i get the Epic. And now my brother bought the Shift, so I'll see what i like from both. But for now i honestly believe the right choice was made.
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
Fully supported and stable CM7 for the Evo Shift brings it back from the wayside, though. (Even WiMax!) I'd also argue on behalf of the Shift's keyboard, because it has a nicer feel IMO, but more importantly it types the letters you ask it to. I'd still say the Epic wins, but it's a close call.
[Epic 4G General] dtugg:
The vastly better screen of the Epic alone makes it a better choice.
[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
Ya, everytime I pick up a non samoled lcd device, I feel pity fo tbe foo. Even iphone retina lcd screen suxs isaints salty ballz.
[Epic 4G General] daddy_droid:
i get quadrant standard scores of liek 1250 i think on my epic with ef02 and ef10 modem...
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
Quardants are biased toward certain processors. It's been discussed to death that comparing scores between 2 different phones is nonsense.
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
Thats terrible even when i undervolt my phone ridiculously i still hit 1900 at-least.

Without i get double that
[Epic 4G General] azmuzyk:
you will definitely like the epic! I am actually a tech for sprint and we see much more shifts than epics coming in for repairs or software issues. don't get me wrong shift is a pretty decent phone, I think that the epic just has better hardware.
[Epic 4G General] TexasLTE:
you made the better choice going with the EPIC ( just my humble opinion ) ;)
[Epic 4G General] AproSamurai:
I mean no disrespect my friend, but you've since sdx had a speed obsession that's rather unreasonable, you can't tell someone to choose a phone because you can overclock it when not everyone is into that.

Also to the OP I'm glad you went with the Epic in the end, both are excellent phones it truly does come from personal preference.

Did you by any chance post up this thread in the Shift 4G forums?
[Epic 4G General] XxLostSoulxX:
yeah he did because on of the posts he posted he said the shift community is slow compared to us. plus im not basing it off overclocking im just saying the capability of what it can do.
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
OT: Question

My sister has ATT and can't leave to Sprint. She has an iPhone 3g with 200 mb of data. I know if you use an unlocked T-mobile phone on ATT you can get the old medianet unlimited internet plan for $15 a month. I also know that the Samsung Vibrant and The Motorola Defy support ATT 3G bands.

They both have CM7 and MIUI support (I'm jealous :mad:), but which would you get?

Samsung Vibrant:

Super Amoled

Hummingbird with powervr SGX540 (faster than omap 3610)

Motorola Defy:

Water resistant and rugged (she uses her iPhone by the pool all the time)

Better Battery life
[HTC Sensation] nduran87:
So long story short I need to figure out how to pull a copy of the tmo bootloader off a S-off device if this is possible. I have one and i used the euro version to root but now that i have root and tried to load the stock euro back i dont have wi fi. the rest of the phone is great its just an annoying side effect that im looking to fix. I already went through the sensation fourm and tried most of the bootloaders that people pulled off and none have worked. So i want to try to pull a copy off of my GFs S-off sensation. If someone could tell me how to do it that would be great. If your a dev in the greater sacramento area and want to mess around with an S-off and can fix it by all means you can take the phone for a min

I just want to fix it lol.

nick
[HTC Sensation] nduran87:
I didnt buy these devices i got them from HTC. just causse ppl keep asking that
[Wildfire General] ilDuceo:
Hy everyone,

after i change rom to cyanogenmod7 my battery life is very bad. Here is what i did...

Rooted, installed CM7, battery was bad, restarted battery stats (i red it somwhere on this forum that whan changing rom battery stats have to be restarted), before that restart battery was, well not good as in stock froyo, but average... after that it is terrible. In just 6 and half houers when i was sleeping it was drained 33%, and after i wake up and use phone, in just 15min it loose 10%. When i looke at 'what use my batteru' cell standby is 45%!! Thats not normal, right? How to fix this isue?
[Wildfire General] metv:
have you try to reset the battery stat?
[Wildfire General] ac16313:
It looks like you reset battery stats when you weren't on full battery.

Only reset when calibrating battery, and your battery is full.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Wildfire General] ilDuceo:
It was full, than disconected from charger, than restarted battery stats, after that drained completly and charged to 100%.
[Wildfire General] ac16313:
Might have had a bad flash then, unless your battery is still setting in, give it a few cycles and it should start to give you better battery life

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Wildfire General] bx19:
And don't keep the minimum cpu frequency value to high. Because the phone doesnt need a huge frequency in standby mode. That also matters.
[Wildfire General] ilDuceo:
CPU is set by default... also i need to say that its charging extremly fast (i can see progress while im typing this post, 4%).
[Wildfire General] ac16313:
Then yeah you need to charge your phone while on to 100%, turn it off till its complete again, the reset batery stats and use it till it dies and it should be good.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Wildfire General] ilDuceo:
Ok, ill try that now. Hope it will help!
[Wildfire General] faraaz:
Got the same problem :mad:. Yesterday I went to sleep around 12:00 with 49% battery left and in the morning around 09:00 just 6% was left. I will try above tip :)

@ilDuceo: any improvements on ur battery?
[Wildfire General] ilDuceo:
I recalibrate it again... now its lil bit better when im not using phone and wifi/data are disabled. But, when im using wifi it still sucks!:\ For now i will stay at CM7 cause i like it very much, but im thinking about geting back to my old FroYo.
[Wildfire General] faraaz:
I also recalibrated the battery and reverted back to stock froyo rom (with overclock kernel and I removed a bunch of system apps). Battery seems to last a lot longer now
[Wildfire General] xallrons:
Another solution would be a 3000mAh battery i saw somewhere.. phone gets a little bit thicker, but its perhaps worth it? :)
[Wildfire General] ilDuceo:
I will try that. What kernel did u use for that? And how did u remove system apps?

But must say, 23h 18m since of the charger and battery is 41% with some wifi/data, 12-30 sms and few cals. Still not good as FroYo, but not so bad as before recalibration.
[Wildfire General] f0xy:
For the first few runs after new ROM and batstatts try to have some full cycles
[Wildfire General] faraaz:
infinity mc4 kernel. you can remove system apps with Titanium backup (button backup/restore -> select app -> un-install). Look out that u don't remove apps that are active used by the ROM. I have deleted like 30 apps + widgets.

yesterday same time, like in my post above, from 99% to 97% with wifi/data on. So much better!!
[Wildfire General] phoivos86:
What SetCPU values do you use?

I have the same battery draining problem since I flashed WildPuzzleRom and I think of going back to stock ROM...
[Wildfire General] alt101uk:
Over the last month or so ive tried various roms nightly's etc and the most i got out of the battery was around 15 hours with the batt stats fix, froyo on the other hand different almost 36 hours at the best and worst still around 18.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Just found my old one dead
[Wildfire General] Gatis777:
My battery life is strange. Once it can handle 6 days without charge(i put it charging at 15%) using wifi, alot of dialing. Second time it handle only two days without using it. Last time it handled 4 days with same dialing and wifi.

I am using Cyanogenmod 7, Smartass governor, min cpu=245mhz, max 710mhz.
[EVO Shift 4G General] shawayne21:
So I'm positive everyone see's this question all the time. But they always judge it on the stock phones. Well I'm looking to get one of these phones, but to ROOT them. Which one do you believe I should get and why? I'm also looking into battery life even though buying an extended battery isn't a problem. Also which rom do you think is best for your pick? Thanks in advance.

Will be posting in both sides to get more answers
[EVO Shift 4G General] westicle:
Easy answer... look at the topics and responsees in both forums and decide which group you would rather deal with...

And then look at the rom and root options of both. HTC is on a whole nother level.
[EVO Shift 4G General] shawayne21:
Well seeing how the Epic community jumped on my question much faster, with more people ... Lol jk.

But any more suggestions people? Thanks in advance :)
[EVO Shift 4G General] fifedogg:
Do not get the Epic!!!!! I didnt like it as its made like ****. The shift is much faster and even my sister wishes she would have just gotten the EVO and shes not even a power user. HTC makes the best phones on the market and I will always be buying my phones from them.

Get the Shift, Root it, Install Shift Deck and enjoy an awesome phone ;)
[EVO Shift 4G General] bdbc:
This. And I own an Epic (my wife has the shift). I'd never trade my Epic in for anything, at least at this point, but yeah the Epic forum is full of complainers, trolls, and guys with tiny wangs (or so I assume with how they have to constantly act like king s**t in the forums all of the time). And shift has a ton more devs, plus working cm7. But the phone itself is sweet, and faster (in my opinion, with the right rom), and has an independent number row. And the screen is bigger and looks nicer. I could go on and on about differences, but I've gotta run for now.
[EVO Shift 4G General] HTCotta:
From everything I've heard, the CPU in the shift has the edge on the Epic, but the GPU in the Epic edges out the Shift. If battery life is important to you, I say hands down go with the Shift. I easily get a full day every day and my friend with an epic is always asking people for chargers, even changed all his backgrounds to black to save battery (doesn't save on LCD but on LED it does). He does everything he can and still struggles for a full day out of the thing. Now I speak from what he's told me, I've never owned an Epic myself. Overall I've been thrilled with the shift, does everything I ask of it with no lag and no complaints.
[EVO Shift 4G General] bdbc:
I certainly had this issue on stock rom on the Epic. I couldn't even make it through a work shift without the battery dying. But custom roms on the Epic blow that out of the water. I now can go a whole day of moderate usage and still have around 30-40%. But I don't know, I'm guessing with a custom rom the Shift still kicks the Epic's ass battery-wise. My wife is running CM7 (which the Epic may not see for a looong time), and I don't ever see her reaching for a charger or complaining of the battery. And being of the female variety, she tends to use a lot of the live wallpapers, widgets, etc...