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[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
just try another phone then. as far as i can tell i dont have anything else polling, the weather channel widget is the only active item i have.

im clearly not having the same issue as you and of the 5 people responding in this thread only one is having a problem. with 5 threads in 6 days i can tell you 2 things.

1. no one is going to be able to solve your problem if no one else is having iit or can replicate t.

2. no one is going to bother cuz of "oh its that guy again with his same problem" factor.

stop wasting time and go get a replacement before its to late.

try running the widget i got and see if it helps at all. if thats the reason i dont have the problem then i say the fix has been found.

again i refer you to the article you posted

read it out loud and makes sure youre clear on how it says its supposed to work
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
yea its on any smart phones 4g or not.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Dude, stop being a dufus.

It's supposed to kick back in in a matter of seconds.

It isn't, clearly as my video shows.

You have a weather widget which probably polls, plus god knows how many other widgets and apps pulling in stuff every few seconds.

I have stock, with no apps apart from a clock on the home screen.

I will be swapp[ing the phone out tomorrow. I will then do the same tests with stock software out of the box,and see what happens when it idles.

I will come back here and let you know what happens. I will humbly apologise for wasting time if it's seen to be a hardware thing, but for now I will hold judgment.

No need to get snarky.
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
griff under accounts and sync................do you have background data on?

i know it seems a stupid question but maybe an over sight

not gettin ****in snarky dude tryin to help, but what ever i could care less if you even a have a phone. it says

IT IS KICKING BACK ON IN A MATTER OF SECONDS AS MINE CLEARLY SHOWS

TRY DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ALREADY AND GOOD LUCK

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Of course I do.

As you saw in my video. I switch to 3G and mails get sent.

I will update when I get a new phone.
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
By new phone you mean EVO 3D?
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Haha.

No, before I switch back to an HTC phone (I had an Incredible before), I'm going to return my Nexus S for another one at Best Buy, to rule out hardware.

I'll run the tests again tomorrow and report back.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Update.

So, here's the update.

I opened a ticket with Sprint, and went in first thing this morning.

The tech there was pretty knowledgeable, and basically said that this is not a fault of software or hardware. It's a design of the phone to go to idle. And it does mean that when it does, you are NOT connected to the internet. It WILL kick back into 4G if there are apps on your phone which necessitate this, but it will stay disconnected.

He advised that if you rely on notifications or gtalk messages to come through instantly, then leave it on 3G. He actually said to me that they have been told that 4G is only really for uploading pictures, video, streaming music and video, and downloading larger files. He would not advise to leave it on 4G if you rely on push messages or instant messaging, as it is not persistent.

We actually tested it out on a new handset, so that I could prove my point, and he agreed.

Now if we could only get a 4G widget !!

I really love this phone, so I'm going to have to deal with this my own way.

Sorry if I riled anyone up on this issue..

Griff.
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
+1 on the widget, cant even make a decent shortcut

apology accepted and i extend one as well

p.s didnt wanna show him my vid huh?

i did have an issue for about an hour last night when i reverted to stock rom and kernel with my "outofbox" nandroid, but then gtalk and gmails still came thru in a flash.

like i said try running the weather channel widget and see what it does. its updated like every 5-8 minutes and doesnt seen to impact my battery life, im still getting the 12-14 hours

but if its because something is polling then hey why not see if it works for you.

also i use juice defender what ever the free one is set on its default
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
I really think there is something wrong with your phone... when I have 4G idle, I still get my push email from GMail...
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
Same here man. I never have any problems
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Do you get them absolutely immediately, at the same time as you would when you have gmail up on a laptop ? That's the definition of push.

I'm surprised, as the tech in the store even swapped out a new phone, and we went though the same process, and no gmail were sent at all.

The only way I think you can sufficiently test this is by going all the way back down to stock, and only have gmail working...no facebook, no twitter, no weather etc etc etc

I dunno...I've sort of given up on this. I've seen 2 phones do this, and you've seen my video...I just don't know. My only thought is that you guys have something polling in the background that initiates a connection every few seconds/minutes...my icon stays grey and on idle, and does not kick back to green for a gmail push...the tech explained all this to me. He even said that he does no recommend staying on 4G because it's 'inconsistent' and 'not persistant'
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Jesus.

This gets worse.

So I just got off the phone to Samsung. They say that if my 4G goes to idle, I should still get 3G. And Samsung told me to check with Sprint to see if they have network problems.

Could this actually be hardware related ? I thought the Radio software was the same on all phones ? Or could this be a problem with the way in which my phone has been configured ?

Back to Sprint..........
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
I've tried this on CM7 and stock. 4G is on idle, I send myself an email, it turns back on, and I get the email. Immediately.

have you tried a profile and prl update?
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Yeah, it's looking like something is definitely wrong. Contrary to what I was told by a Sprint tech....need to revert to complete stock without CM recovery before Sprint will replace it...ugh.

Profile and PRL update don't work on my phone...I think I just have a completely borked phone....

EDIT. Profile update and PRL both updated, but still not getting push notifications. I'm gonna revert this to stock and return it.
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
yea like last night the gtalks came in 1-3 seconds from the moment i hit send and gmails in 4-8 seconds from the moment i hit send. gotta allow a lil bit of time since it cant really go from pc to phone. remember its gotta travel thru 2 networks lol.

but yea griff im sure you need to try another phone before its to late.

i will tell you i have not seen my phone ever go to 3g while 4g is idle but only when 4g gets disconnected while on. and i dont use any social media i.e. facebook, twitter. as far as i know the only thing i have polling for data is the weather channel widget.

if for no other reason then to show youre right about us polling please try something....like what i got and see if its true............before you take that last jump to a new phone
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Thanks for the advice on this. I'm reverting to stock tonight and handing it over to Sprint.

Just as an FYI, they won't take phones back if they have CM recovery. They don't mind root, but they don't like custom recovery.
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
Dude, some of the Sprint techs (I won't say all, because some are good) are complete idiots. One told me having an image burned into my screen was "normal" and that it was "supposed to be like that" since it was a CRT...

I said wtf? Do you know anything? It is OLED, how the hell do you work on phones? I got them to give me a new one but jesus christ...
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
wait.............images are burning into the screen?
[Nexus S General] rican408:
just tried it out for ****s and giggles. 4g idle does not let push come thru. have my droid x sending emails and messages thru gtalk. singed into google on my laptop i get messages as soon as i hit send (which is crazy fast btw) but i wont get it on the phone till i make it go out of idle....
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
i think my unit was defective but it looked like a burned in image... like a circle.
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
maybe it is being marked as read on the server?
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Thanks.

But what I want to know is whether this is by design, or if it's a fault with software/hardware. This is exactly the same behavior I'm seeing.

I COMPLETELY reverted to stock yet again before I am due to take it back to SPrint tomorrow, and just for my own benefit, in case I need to show Sprint, or even Samsung, I recorded another 10 minute delay in sending a gtalk message. About a 4 minute delay in sending an email. They only arrive when I turn off 4G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P5IgKvL31Q

I will update again tomorrow after I switch (what I think is) the defective handset.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Been speaking to Samsung, Sprint and Bestbuy today. ugh.

Sprint told me to take it back to Best Buy, Best Buy told me to speak first to Samsung.

So I'm on with Samsung, and just opened a ticket to send it back.

Can I quickly ask you guys who have this working properly ?

When you are on idle, and you send yourself an email, does the 4G icon instantly kick back to green bar mode, or does it stay idle and you get your messages ?

I now have the issue where if it's idle, and goes back to green bar mode, and I have messages waiting, it doesn't send them to the phone until the bar goes to white, then reconnects to green, effectively re-instating the google connection.

It's nuts.
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
yeah I just tested it again, and my 4G immediately turned back on and I got the email. This time using Exchange email.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
My phone has to be f***ed
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
Yea dude just like my vid, 4g goes to green then messages come thru.
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
sorry man :(
[Nexus S General] derrick_:
Its charged on all smartphones now. Part of paying for network upgrades and expansion
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Another Update.

Swapped the phone for a new one this morning.

Sitting here in 4G idle mode, have sent myself an email at 11:18. Now 11:20 and it still hasn't kicked back in.

Also sent myself a gtalk message from my work gtalk. Still has not been received.

I really don't know what to do now.

I honestly don't know why you guys are getting this and I'm not. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

It's a f**king shame, because I love this phone, but this 'idle' option just isn;t working for me.

I'm lost now.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Final update I swear.

So I gave up and went to my local SPrint dealer.

Walked up tot he desk, and they recognised me.

Told them the problem. Even took them over to an EVO 4G and added myself as a friend on the phone's gtalk.

Accepted the friend request on my phone, and waited for my phone to go to idle.

Lo and behold, the Evo sees me as offline.

Email sent also doesnt turn up.

They basically said to me, that this is a design of the phone, that when it goes to idle, you are NOT connected to the internet. And you are not also connected to 3G.

The videos you guys posted tell a different story, but I cannot replicate that, however many times I try. I just don't know. I'm not interested in the 3D gimmickry of the Evo, so I may have to go for the sensation.

Pretty sad.
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
dude, sprint is full of ****.

they are stupid as hell. Seriously. 99% of them. they are liars and cheaters.
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
griff have you ....as i suggested....tried running the weather channel widget like i am. you say i must have something polling in the background. if i understand right that widget would be doing just that. i believe it auto updates every 5 minutes, is that "polling in the background"?

just to shut me up try it just so at least i understand it better.

and nobody knows how sprint phones work better then curious sprint users. most of us were those kids that took apart moms new toaster but couldnt put it back together. the rest are the kids that not only put it back together but made it better then it was.

i happen to be the former
[Nexus S General] mikeyinid:
Lol...

I think it comes down to them just not knowing. But who wants to admit they don't know anything about their job? So, fake it.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Yeah, let me try that....

This, by the way, is Samsung's response to my question on 4G idle.

"Thank you for your inquiry. While we would like to assist you in your request, this is something that would be best addressed by your service provider. Please contact your service provider’s customer service department for additional information.

Service Provider Contact Information

Thank you for your continued interest in Samsung."

Sprint have told me that it is a phone design, and you are disconnected from the internet when it goes idle.

The Merry-go-round continues.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Installed weather channel widget, but doesn't seem to help.

I've got a feeling this is something to do with the way in which google servers are communicating over the sprint network...i dunno

whats even weirder is that now, when it does kick back in, my google talk is greyed out, and again, I'm disconnected....then it goes off, reconnects, the status bar goes white, and it seems to 'reconnect' to google servers again. it;s all so messy.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1Mn295mFb23QWntJ19euozLslBQ-omfHUTIL3CoTbJ0?feat=directlink
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
Something I just thought about... what if it is losing signal while it is on idle, and that is why it disconnects?
[Nexus S General] Award Tour:
We spoke about this via PM but I'm pretty sure that most people who do get notifications while in idle have SOMETHING polling from the phone side that wakes the data wake up. I'm almost certain that the NS4G was designed to completely "data sleep" on idle. It's no wonder why I get amazing batterylife with WiMax on the NS4G where as my EVO 4G would die super quick. It's a trade off.

My question is why do you need to idle on WiMax? Sprint 3G data sucks donkey balls but it's good enough to receive simple notifications. If you need WiMax just turn it on. Simple solve.
[Nexus S General] hellcatt:
if there was a widget or at least a way to make a short cut to 4g it would make things alot easier. i un installed the weather channel app so as far as i know ....to my understanding.....i dont have anything polling in the back ground. nothing has changed for me, in fact 4g wakes up and notifications come in faster then they do on 3g. i like how it works and i no longer think i have a bad phone but either there is still a tower issue in my area or its just ****ty signal all together.

when i go to my cabin which is about 30 miles farther south and in the boonies where most people dont even have cable tv (of course they have sat tv) i get maximum signal and download speeds at almost 2mbits and up abot 1mbit.

the only issue i have now is this damn dead mega pixel, and im afraid to return it and get some turd in exchange
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
I'm pretty sure it is. It seems to try and reconnect to google servers after it goes idle.

We are not going to get any answers from Samsung, and Google sure as hell don't give a f**k. Sprint say its offline when its idle, so who knows...gonna have to keep digging. I have 1 more week to either keep it or switch to a sensation and the crappy HTC battery issues.
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
I don't necessarily need to idle on wimax, I just think it could do with better engineering. It has to be something to do with how the push notifications wake wimax. Is it configuration on the server side? In which case it's google. Is it phone configuration? In which case its Samsung. Is it network related? Sprint...and so on.

I really would like to see some devs poke around the wimax settings. There MUST be a way to increase the time it takes to idle, battery be damned. That's what bigger batteries are for.
[Nexus S General] derekwilkinson:
I wonder if you can get the external IP and ping it when it is on 4G idle?
[Nexus S General] grifforama:
Good idea. Ill try it. I guess the IP shows when you click the 4g status.
[LG Optimus 2x] sezerx:
solved '
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jcki4:
:( iish my stupid self flash unrevoked-forever-son by mistake and now my phone Say S-on but it seem im still rooted? but i cant switch frm CWM TO amom ra could this be a problem now?

oooh FML!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
If you're on 2.2 firmware, just run unrevoked again.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jcki4:
i switch back to the the old sprint way before i rooted my phone and i try it now it say fail to root ur phone is ur frimware new..?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
Go into recovery, select clear storage [factory reset], then run it again.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jcki4:
thanks but i didnt have to do that, i just fix the promission and then i re-ran it and it went through this time
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] greenjeans:
The thunderbolt has an fm radio reciever (requires headphone wire to use as Antennae). I can't find the data sheets, but on previous htc phones, the fm receiver hardware has transmit capabilities as well.

I want an app to turn on radio transmitting, so I can listen to pandora, music, last.fm, etc over my car radio.

This thread looks promising, but is over my head. help?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=725870
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skeet43169:
this would be sweet
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] David522d:
that would be dope. id pay a buck for that
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skeeter123:
What he said^^^ mebbe 2 bucks!!

BAMF'd Nicely.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] uthinkisay:
Yeah I would live to see this!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Link_of_Hyrule:
That would be pretty cool if it was possible :)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tanium:
I do this now but I use a cord out the headphone jack and input into the car radio aux jack.

But it would be great to drop the cord.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] idkwhothatis123:
Lmao my thoughts exactly
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slack3r:
If your car has an audio input that is a MUCH better solution, using the FM transmitter will just be a massive drop in quality and be susceptible to interference.

Either way though, this would be nice to have in a pinch, and for people who don't have inputs :)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leoingle:
i dont see this happening. even though he circuitry is similar between a receiver and transmitter, there is still other things that come into play as in how and what the actual circuitry attached to. Somebody is blowing smoke up your ass.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] greenjeans:
No ones doing any smoke blowing. I'm simply aware of the fact that on datasheets for previous Qualcomm chips they include terms like FM transmitting. I'm aware of circuitry requirements, but given the implementation of fm recieving via headphone cable antannae, and the transmitter being integrated into the same (Qualcomm MSM8655) chip, it seems logical that all the hardware is there, we just need to figure out the software part of this. IF the hardware isn't there, I'd imagine it to be as simple as routing power to the right pin.

I've been hunting for the Qualcomm MSM8655 datasheet for a while now, can't find it. Anyone know where a copy is?

Don't rain on my parade!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DigitalSileR:
I believe this would violate FCC regulations somehow ?! :confused:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xgonzox:
Nothing wrong with someone owning an fm transmitter. An unregulated one though might be an issue.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erishasnobattery:
After hundreds of hours of development, I have managed to pull this off.

Link Here.

I expect lots of donations. :)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkrom:
The general rule of thumb with FM transmissions Is that if you aren't bothering anyone enough to complain, then USUALLY you are fine.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Link_of_Hyrule:
Well i did have an fm transmitted that worked really well even came with a little remote I got it at family dollar for like $10 but the heat in the car killed it I think because it doesn't work any more :( This idea was good because usually transmitters have to be recharged or they have crappy batteries that don't last so having it in the same device rather then a separate one is way handy if it's possible!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roxy.schram:
It's sad. I miss my N900. It had a transmitter built in. Best phone i ever had.

Btw. Every phone has a transmitter built it. Its called bluetooth. Something Sony created years ago.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] backroaddrifter:
Epic win!!!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] allchannels99:
Put me down for 2
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DigitalSileR:
I guess we learn something new everyday, I thought you had to have a license to transmit FM like radio stations... cool to know
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DesireC:
...dammit, eris ಠ_ಠ. The point is to avoid extra hardware. Oh, and to increase the cool factor.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] greenjeans:
The fcc regulates radio broadcasts at specific frequencies and wattages. Consumer fm transmitters, even the good ones, only put out enough power to reach 10 or so yards, and so totally legal. I did dabble with a high powered fm transmitter, mounted above the sun visors in my car. Parked on a hill I could cover most of the city, but got sketched out by the fcc and stopped :)

last summer I got a car fm transmitter with a usb port for less than 2$ off amazon.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr_acula:
Rofl
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShanDestromp:
Its all a range plus frequency thing. Certain freqs need licenses, or if you are broadcasting above a certain power range.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qumahlin:
The chip having transmission capabilities is different than the hardware actually supporting it and being able to transmit. It would require additional hardware as well as custom software to make it work. If it were just an issue of the chip supporting it you would already see tons of phones that support this since as you pointed out quite a few phones already use Qualcomm chips that are able to transmit FM, but the specs don't tell you that additional hardware / design modifications would be needed to actually use it.

Also, just a personal opinion, but unless you live in the boonies, who the heck would want to use a FM transmitter? The sound quality is garbage even at optimal signal strength on a clear channel. If you live in any sort of moderately populated area the chance of you finding a free station with no crossover is slim to none and if you live in a city its not even worth trying unless you really really don't care about sound quality.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] greenjeans:
Fwiw, I do live in the boonies!

But yes, you're right, even a tape adapter is better sound quality than low power fm transmission. I mostly wanted it for the 'look how cool my phone is!' factor. And cutting more cables.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Link_of_Hyrule:
Yes FM Transmitters have poor quality compared to an AUX cable but you have to take into account not all cars have an AUX input jack and installing one can cost $90+ so an FM Transmitter is your only option next to a cassette tape adapter if you even have a tape player in your car which most cars don't any more. My dad has a ford escape I like listening to music from my TB in the car cus in Huntsville AL there are no good radio stations. His car doesn't have an AUX input jack.