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[HTC EVO 3D] cranialsurge:
Ok people for everyone here, one last time, we have 4GB of internal storage (ROM/eMMC/Flash whatever makes you happy :) ), and 1GB of physical memory (RAM) for runtime application execution.

So there are 2 totals NOT 1, 4GB of internal storage (to be politically correct) and 1GB of physical mem. (RAM).

Do I get a 10/10?
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
When talking about electronics, the HOW/WHY is just as important as the actual answer.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
no thats just people reaching to be a discussion board hero, not needed

guess folks be pressed to have their thanks total pile up
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
so back to basic computing, now you're saying RAM and ROM arent both memory?
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
The statement that was made, in general, earlier on the board was that the reason the phone has 1gb of internal storage was because the specs show 1gb of RAM.

Your approval in regards to said post implied you agreed with that assessment. For facts sake, it's important that people understand that the RAM infact is NOT the internal storage. That, is why the HOW/WHY is important.
[HTC EVO 3D] cranialsurge:
Anyways, to the both of you, it was a pleasure to make your acquaintance albeit in a highly adventurous manner. All in all, hopefully once we get root, we can reclaim a little more of that space back.

I'm outta here, have a good one :)
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
6.5/10

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[HTC EVO 3D] TheCyberpunk:
Internal Memory Missing

Yeah, same here. Picked up my Evo 3D yesterday and the E only has 1GB

of internal memory. I instantly swapped my 16GB sd card for the factory supplied 8GB. Rock on.
[HTC EVO 3D] cranialsurge:
Xenx --> Thanks for that, that was exactly my intention there, nothing else, I interpreted it in the same way as you did. Anything else was purely the result of that interpretation. The bottom line though is the answer to the question "Why do i only have 1 of the 4GB" of the OPs essentially remains at: HTC took up as much space as they wanted to without giving a crap and left the users with 25% usable space to live with (at least until root, which I'm hoping really changes this scenario).
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
no i approved this quote:

which includes the internal storage in there correct? my answer came from within the eMMC, yall ASSUMED it was the RAM

i never, i repeat, NEVER agreed to any statement saying:

and said that was the internal app limit

NEVER did

go back and read over all my posts, NEVER SAID IT

do it

i'll wait

and i'll accept your apology when you dont find it
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
No, I'm saying only an idiot mixes his specs together.

You don't mix apples and oranges and call it "Tree Fruit" and just say, "Oh, it's all the same."
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
I only asked a simple question

All you had to do was say you didnt know the answer since you are confused about what is memory and what is not.
[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
ITT: Monkeys throwing digital **** at each other.
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15127602&postcount=32

Read the last line of Jye75's post, followed by the first statement you made in reply to it.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
like i said, the problem here, is both you and the other guy ASSUMED where i got my answer from

repeat, the whole problem is things go wrong when you ASSUME

jye's last line is this:

which is still saying you only have 1GB to play with for your apps.

and yes, i agree, i said that is correct,and it IS correct right? you already agreed to that being right

the problem comes in and where you assume im agreeing to him simply because it says 1gig ram(even tho 1 letter before that it says eMMc)

even JYE never said the limit is because it states 1gig ram, yall assumed on him too!!!

JYE never said: you have 1gig to play with for your apps because of the 1gig ram , he only said

there were 2 things there, the emmc and the ram, he never said either, but you do know the internal is stored in one of those 2 right?

now do you see how assumptions can bite you in the ass?
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
Actually, the last line was

"Tech Specs on HTC's website say: 4GB eMMC/1GB RAM, which is still saying you only have 1GB to play with for your apps."

He is specifically saying 1GB of ram is in the specs, which says you only have 1gb to play with for your apps. Whether you meant it and are trying to back out, or whether it was accidental, I don't care. That is what was said, and what you replied to as correct.

If you didn't intend to support his statement that the 1gb of RAM is where the 1gb of storage derived from, that's fine. The fact remains that is how your post back then came across.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
like i said, you're assuming

I agreed to his statement that only 1 gig is used for apps

simply put: is 1 gig the correct answer or not?

Because i agree to his answer. now if that answer is incorrect, then i have wasted everybody's time. But if I AM correct (which everybody in here knows) then YOU have wasted everybody's time for assuming
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
And like I said, your post gave no room to be confused. You agreed to someone quoting RAM as storage, end of story.

As for your question, Yes. There is only 1gb available for apps. That was never questioned from this side. I don't know why you keep asking.

Finally, I hope you don't starve. I'm off work in 45min and won't be able to feed you as often.
[HTC EVO 3D] cranialsurge:
Lol, I was just going to say...
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
so basically you wasted everybodys time

you just REACHED with my reponse so you could be some type of XDA superhero

and stop lying, or obviously you cant read, because clearly in his quote it said eMMC & RAM

get some glasses, then re-plan your attack

if he ONLY quoted 1gig ram, which is how you're trying to railroad his quote into trying to prove me wrong, then you might have had a point. But the proof is all there in black in white, it doesnt only say 1gig RAM as you have lied it to be

because all i agreed to was that he stated 1gig was the max limit for apps, and aftter all your jargon, you agree to me that, that indeed is the correct answer

so yes, please go to bed, and stay away from the boards for a few weeks, stop wasting people's time
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
Ermm... Who wasted what now? You're either the biggest idiot I've ever met, or the dear troll that kept me entertained for the last few hours..

In no way shape or form did I ever change my stance, aside from when I corrected myself to state that the flash memory used for internal storage is technically a form of ROM. Somehow all the bad information you spouted is substantiated because I agree on one small fact that I never questioned in the first place.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
try to learn in the future when you attempt to correct someone, that maybe you should clearly ask them how they obtain their answer, instead of awfully assuming like you and others did

still at the end of the day, and after all your jargon, im still right:

1gig is the limit for app storage

so why even say anything to me in the first place? <--- thats the definition of you being a TROLL
[HTC EVO 3D] xenx:
I don't know, maybe because you were wrong about everything BUT the 1gb? You were even wrong about what replied to earlier today...

If you want an example of something you were wrong about..

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15140765&postcount=47
[HTC EVO 3D] treckin:
This whole thread is RETARDED. The only reason it exists is because someone read 1GB of RAM and only saw 1GB of internal storage and ****ed up about the 4 GB storage not being all user accessable and got confused between the LPDDR2 RAM and the MLC (pretty sure its not SLC) flash used in the EVO3D.

Everyone else is straight trollin and this thread should get a lock and stickie for an example of a TERRIBLE thread.

Yeah I like capslock, what of it??

Profit??

Sent from my 3VO using the no longer force closing XDA App
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
For everyone here who is confused....
[HTC EVO 3D] A.Priori:
that's what she said
[HTC EVO 3D] DataDork:
good stuff..

now can we settle this discussion?

but if not, wonder if root will allow more access to the eMMC lol
[HTC EVO 3D] nkd:
Thunderbolt is the same way, I am sure they are not dumb enough to false advertise twice, there is certainly a reason we only get 1gb. May be HTC got other crap on there, may be 2gb is used to spy on us, who knows. LOL
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
We will be able to access it, yes. But Partitioning it is a whole nother story, I heard thats what firerats is.
[HTC EVO 3D] Greenfieldan:
Wow. While the OP isn't the most knowledgable person in the world, being upset about having 25% of slightly misleading advertised memory is not unheard of. Then it became a discussion... then SayWhat10 went on a giant techie roid rage.

My advice to you, SayWhat10 (since, you know, I have more posts than you and that somehow shows that I'm smarter than you): Don't walk into a thread throwing your knowledge around and calling everyone an idiot. Honestly, I agree with the other two people despite the fact that I have little to no information about what you're actually talking about. Why? Because you just look like an ***. I'm all for correcting people when they're wrong, but you just look ignorant.
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
I'm going to clear up MY post, which has caused 13 damn pages of arguing amongst yourselves.

I was confused as to what the OP was referring to originally, and pulled the specs from both Sprint and HTC. I thought the OP was intending to refer to the amount of RAM for active use, when in fact he was referring to App storage. My mistake.

So my first quote regarding 4GB eMMC/1GB RAM, and subsequently stating that it still only leaves 1GB to play with for Apps, I was indeed still under the impression that he was referring to what was available for RAM.

It wasn't until later, that I understood he was referring to App storage, which is coincidentally, still 1GB of the 4GB of eMMC. I did correct myself further down, however. And I can admit that the wording of my post can be very easily misinterpreted as me saying that Apps are stored in RAM, but that was not my intention, as after 17 years in IT, I well know that RAM is not storage.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
No one cares about YOU or your POSTS,and none of you advice taken

You lose all credibility and shouldnt speak anything further after admitting to jock riding:

so you wont believe the truth, you'll only believe who displays their case the best i guess, no matter how wrong they are. Sad, very sad
[HTC EVO 3D] treckin:
Such an effin troll bro GTFO!
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
so he can make moron remarks,and say i look like an ***, but im the troll right?

GTFO yourself buddy

if people had just accepted my truths and facts to begin with, we could have avoided this whole thing
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
Close the thread **** it was funny as hell but needs closed now
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
SayWhat10 is easily the most annoying xda member EVER. She argues for no reason, and seems extremely misinformed--mostly due to her frothing at the mouth to attack others rather than cite a credible source, (which is not her.)
[HTC EVO 3D] aimbdd:
Yeah... Think It's time this was closed... No matter who is right or who started it. Xda is supposed to be a inviting community. Not a flame fest.

Sent from my HTC Evo 3D.
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
I knew what the op ment from first time reading it ghastly thought they phone had 4gigs to install apps and **** on n only had whatever left n felt cheated no reason for everyone to show off their e-penis lol
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
I understood he was talking about the storage as well. It was pretty much spelled out to be honest. I'm sure most anyone that followed the 3D througout the last few months knew quite well that it had 4GB internal storage, and 1GB of RAM.

Honestly, I am not too worried about re-partitioning my internal storage. The Evo didn't have jack for app storage and I still had plenty of room.
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
Yep lol
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
I think thats the whole point..it seemed most..(including myself) that I would have 1gb RAM 4 gb internal mem and 8 gb on the SD.. so all I wanna.know.where.is my internal memory..they shouldn't advertise 4 gb and only give you one usable gb..there is no way its used up in sense..3 gb is a lot of space ..I believe it may be partitioned off like you say..but why
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
maybe i was out shooting pool when it happened, but who died and made you god?

nobody cares about your opinion, keep it to yourself

i was right, no need to cite some source to figure out you only have 1gig of space to use instead of the 4,which the OP stated

I mean you can believe the truth i speak or live wrongly, your choice
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
I actually combed back through all your posts, and you were wrong on nearly every single one---then you started arguing on semantics alone... Diverting from the real issue at hand.

4GB 'ROM' and 1GB RAM. That's what it has, and you posted many times that was not accurate.
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
The whole point of this thread is to figure out why the 4GB "internal storage," has been partitioned in such a way to only give the user ~1GB of accessible storage.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
the only issue is that he believed he had 4gigs of space to play with, when in reality it was only 1. Thats it. The end

but once again YOU are wrong. it has 4gig eMMC and 1 gig RAM,not 4gig ROM mr know it all

if it was rom and we could only READ it wouldnt be able to even store apps on our internal 1gig

now STOP TROLLING,let it go for heaven's sake
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
Here's a novel idea...

Why don't you BOTH let it go?

Seriously, the horse is dead, been beaten, nothing left to do with it now.
[HTC EVO 3D] tcmoon:
Watch it! Some of us have been reading post when you were still ****ting green! LOL
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I believe a lot of it is allocated, but 3 GB for an OS and a few apps seems a bit large, considering when you flash ROMs, they're, at maximum, 400 MB (even though it's compressed in a zip file). There's something in there (green hornet?) that's taking up the space.
[HTC EVO 3D] bigboypr3061:
Thanks. HTC is confusing everyone. It's better saying only 1gb of internal memory.
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
I agree. 1GB internal memory would make much more sense.
[HTC EVO 3D] Greenfieldan:
Remember bro, I have more posts than you. That clearly shows I have more experience in this matter.

Seriously, if you would stock acting like an *** maybe people would listen to you; your arguments are valid. However, when you present them like you do (by putting down everyone's opinion that doesn't agree with your own) NO ONE will listen to you.

Secondly, when your first post is calling the OP an idiot based on his post count you're asking for trouble. Post count doesn't mean anything. I've read some VERY informative posts that were peoples' first, second, or even third post. Likewise, as in your case, I've read many misinformed and stupid posts from people who have had hundreds of posts. So for the sake of all of us, take a chill pill :)
[HTC EVO 3D] LearnIIBurn:
Internal memory should increase a little bit if we strip out Sense and HTC/Sprint fun in an all AOSP Rom correct? Maybe 1.5GB?
[HTC EVO 3D] Zabalba:
So do we have 4 gigs in total or is it 1?
[HTC EVO 3D] rvajuggalo:
I would love to be able to save my installations to the sd card but that doesn't seem be working right

Mikey B's 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] Greenfieldan:
You have 4 gigs of what's often called "hard" memory. However, roughly 3 gigs of that is used for the OS and other built in HTC things. This means while your phone has 4 gigs, you're only left with about 1 (1.2 to be precise) when you get the phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] SkilletDesire:
Thats why you should have got the SGS2 Samsung make memory, cpus, apple iPhone 5 A5, iPhone 4 A4 chips, sd cards etc, etc. HTC has to go through the middle man snapdragon, samsung thats why they are tight. The bloatware is unbelievable every htc I ever got put CM on it sense makes no sense.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
slim, focus here

I didnt put down people's opinions, when I was talking about FACTS. what RAM and ROM and eMMC's are not determined by someone's opinions, these are facts that dont change, only opinions do so get it together

you took this # of posts thing and ran with it i see

no matter what, the OP was way off based for his thinking the evo 3D should have 4gig, FACT. in THIS case, his post count, definitely related to his knowledge of phones

and again, you already said you have no idea what we have been arguing about but yet you wanted to take the person's side who had the prettiest delivery of their words, how gay, so please just stay out of stuff you dont know know anything about
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
long story short, without root, we only have 1 gig of space to store our apps, etc

1gig of ram to use/keep stuff in memory(gone when phone shut out)

or, according to the guy that wanted to be ANAL about it, we actually have 1.15gig of usable space(although i know for a fact you cant use up to that full 1..15gig)
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
why not? if its moveable just chose the "move to SD card", it should work fine

however certain apps should stay on the phone
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
only time will tell

hopefully when we get root, the devs will work their magic, and we will be able to use at least 2gig,because i see no reason why the HTC season is hogging all the 3gig of space of that 4gig eMMC
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
Do people honestly not look through the thread at all -_- its not a hard concept dammit.

PS: Green Hornet +all the 3D content is saved on the SD Card. the 3GB taken up from the eMMC is purely HTC stuff and OS and what not
[HTC EVO 3D] :
About fudging time someone post this.... Goodness this thread should die already.
[HTC EVO 3D] LearnIIBurn:
What does "3D Stuff" mean exactly? Is it the gallery and camera app? Or drivers to make 3D work?

Sorry was just curious.
[HTC EVO 3D] babbit:
Maybe Engadget really was *gasp* right when they said Sense 3.0 was bloated. Kidding. Seriously though, besides Sense 3.0, Sense 1 and 2 were the most "bloated" Android overlay, but they only took about 250 MB of space. It was nowhere near the 3 GB or so that you guys are saying the Evo 3D needs. I think even Windows Vista took about 3GB of space, and that was hugely bloated.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
not sure who said the evo 3D 'needs' 3gb, but 3 gb is what HTC gave to let the 3D run. In fact i believe most people including me are saying the 3D does not need to hog all that memory.

Nobody knows for sure exactly what is in the 3GB. It might only actually use 2GB. all we do know is that as of TODAY, we cant touch the 3GB,and we can only use the alotted 1gig

again, hopefully with root and the devs, we can tap into the 3GB
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
I posted it like 5 pages ago or something. People just don't read the darned thread.

I'd say both, just not the media files (3D pics/Vid) themself.

Correct, Most likely 1GB is left for updates and such. Until we get root we don't really know whats in the eMMC 3GB partition. The RUU isnt that big at all so I'm kind of lost there.
[HTC EVO 3D] electronicrice:
A similar situation occurred when the HTC Vision (T-Mobile G2) was released and people quickly realized that they only had approximately 2GB instead of the advertised 4GB of storage available.

Essentially, all new HTC phones are utilizing the e-MMC chip which allows for greater versatility in partitioning internal storage, as well as defining the density and stability of the chip, depending on the way it's been programmed. In this case, the e-MMC chip in the EVO 3D may have been programmed with SLC instead of the higher density MLC, resulting in a smaller available storage space.

This article from the HTC Vision wiki helps to explain it. Of course, where you see 2GB, substitute 1GB.

http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
From what I gathered, htcs 3gb partition is being used as 1.5gb of fast access memory? Thats more under stand able than 3gb...

Shot from my L96A1
[HTC EVO 3D] Greenfieldan:
I'm sorry, but you really are that arrogant aren't you? The OP is not way off base for asking his question. Just because you post "fact" in all bold does not mean that it's true. Believe it or not, not everyone here knows as much about this stuff as you (that's not sarcasm). To you, myself, and many others his question seemed obvious. But to him it clearly was not. So rather than just call him an idiot, perhaps just answer the question and move on? Where you crossed the line (and by doing that got my attention) was when you started making personal attacks rather than answering questions/correcting mistakes. And yes, you've been making personal attacks this entire time. Heck, even your response was an attempted insult. I'm gay now because I prefer to listen to the people that have respect for others? Not only is that [attempted] insulting to me, that's insulting to an entire group of people. Apparently I need to explain to my girlfriend of nearly 4 years that I'm gay if respecting others is what qualifies that. I read through this thread hoping someone could accurately explain why 75% of the memory had been used (past OS and HTC stuff...more specifics, if you will). All it was was you not accepting anyone elses' view other than your own. It was a misunderstanding, but no one was as smart as you and you couldn't let them forget that.

I'm sorry I'm continuing this argument, but I absolutely refuse to let xda devolve into this. This used to be a place where ideas were shared; not attacked. So yes, while I apologize for my criticizing nature, I will call out anyone who makes xda uncomfortable for others. I'm sorry it was you this time.

Good day.

Greenfield
[HTC EVO 3D] sw99:
To me it seems that this is a discussion of partitions. Runnng "df" in Terminal Emulator shows the following partitions:

/dev 411,212K total (64K used)

/data 1,204,200K total (this is user app space)

/system 806,312K total (451,086k used)

/cache 111,612K total (10,488K used)

/devlog 20,144K total (14,852K used)

/vendor/firmware/misc 204,580K total (17,296K used)

/mnt/asec 411,212K total (0K used)

/mnt/obb 411,212K total (0K used)

/app-cache 8,192K total (0K used)

/mnt/secure/asec "Permission Denied"

/data/DxDrm/fuse "Permission Denied"

For a total of: 3,588,676K - or 3.5GB

The rest is probably located in the mounts that are protected. We can verify once we get root. Also, once fully rooted, the partitions can be adjusted to free up more user space (since only about .5GB of the non-user 2.25GB are being used).

Also, on the original EVO, most ROMs and kernels moved the dalvik-cache to the /cache partition, freeing up more user space.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
if you didnt want xda to devolve to this, you should have let it go when it asked you to eons ago

so again, just let it go

why do you have a hard-on for this topic? smh
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
This is interesting, I wonder whats in the permission denied folders though

Boom... Headshot! from my L96A1
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
You shouldn't have argued this to death then

Boom... Headshot! from my L96A1
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
and your keeping it going is helping to end it right? #funnymath
[HTC EVO 3D] fowenati:
do you have anything better to do with your time? really? I'm not even going to waste my time talking to you. All you're doing is trying to start stuff. I'm not interested. Go play some club penguin, it fits how you act more than XDA.
[HTC EVO 3D] SayWhat10:
u not trying to start stuff, but instead of walking away, you come back with wack jokes trying to entice me to keep this going?

again, #funnymath

u dont want to waste your time, but you are clearly wasting it, smh
[HTC EVO 3D] Jye75:
Can't...stop...watching..... pissing..... contest.... to.... see.... who.... gets.... last.... word....... AARRRGGGHHH!!!! My.... eyes!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] arqbrulo:
Thanks, after reading almost all of the posts, I finally decided to skip to the last page and I saw this. Finally it is explained what the hell is going on. I don't care about flash memory, ram, rom, emmc... I just wanted to know who my space was being used, and you my friend, have answered that for me.