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[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vascer:
Hello,

I have a HTC Desire S-OFF for a week. I don't think that AlphaRev has something to do with it because I rebooted it at least 6 times since the operation.

The problem began yesterday when it fell from about 2 Ft and the battery went out of the phone. For the first 10 minutes, my screen was looking like a starchart. After that, I removed the battery and now when I try to boot it up, the screen remains black. I can confirm that my phone has booted up because the below buttons are lighten up (when I press on power button) and there is the green LED telling probably that I've got emails. There isn't any scratches or crack on the screen.

I don't know that to do. From where could the problem come?

Thanks in advance.

Vascer
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UsManyDead:
Hello. It's probably a problem from the motherboard, maybe a short circuit or something. If you don't have any esthetic problems maybe you could try and get it to the guarantee and get it repaired for free.

I would be less probably to be a soft problem, since Bricked Screen only comes after flashing some .zip files incompatible.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] en_mih:
truy to put your phone in fastboot power+back wait 30 second and then instal the ruu and your phone is back to normal :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vascer:
@UsManyDead. There are just minor scratches on the aluminium chassis but nothing that let me think that I've broken the screen. I'll send it back according to warrenty.

@en_mih. Thanks for you answer. Now they aren't supposed to see that i've rooted and S-OFF my phone?

Thanks for your answers.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] en_mih:
nop :) your waranty is available :D good luck , wait for the message when you breng your phone home:D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vascer:
Good, I'm going to send it to the support by mail. I will get it in ten days according to the technical support I've called this morning. I will call tomorrow because they forgot to give me the adress. Or I will rather ask one of their technicians to pick it up at my home, it is easier.

I will reply again when I will get it back.

Many Thanks.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] en_mih:
good luck man:)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vascer:
I finally got it back today, their tracking website told it was ready for a bit more than 2 weeks. I had to call the support 3 or 4 times before getting my telephone back (today). :confused:

The telephone is working again, they updated and replaced a component. Best news: the warranty worked so many thanks to both of you. :)

Virgile
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
The mango messaging system seems nice and all, but I really wonder why they did not keep it seperated.

I had my doubts and than I read this article http://wmpoweruser.com/mango-and-messaging-we-have-a-problem/ which sums up some more issues.

Basically my biggest problem is that we send more important stuff trough SMS it has a much higher value than an IM. So whenever somebody smsses an adress, i will need to scroll trough 100s of IMs which I can not clear since the address is still there in one of those messages.

Second: the media are different, you can not expect the other user to switch to FB chat to MSN than to sms because I want to change service, this still incorporate 3 different media for the majority of the users namely a WL desktop client, facebook webpage and a phone for regular texting (which also costs money so people will use it differently)

Third, we used msn when we were 12, now nobody uses it in my country but I would like to use FB chat... This is not possible, you can only switch off FB chat or switch off both. So the whole feature will be useless if I dont want to use msn/windows live messenger.

Notifications: what if smsses are inportant but IMs not, hopefully I will be able to receive a toast ONLY with sms messages and just let the IMs slide. Imagine receiving 100 messages every 10 minutes it will drive you nuts. And here comes the next problem when there is an important sms inbetween you dont know who send it, because if you open up messages they all look the same so you dont know who texted you (important) or has send you and im (which has less priority).

I wish they can make a new tab for the im conversations or atleast filter the thread down on ALL / SMS / IM. As it is now, it will be nice for kids but if you are 16+ it will become a major pain to find what is important and what is just spam.

The system right now is shortsighted and of poor value. an implementation like blackberry's is better. SMS is a different system, mail is a different system, IM is as well, you all respond differently on each one of them. It should be possible to mannage each seperately. Now ill have to be always offline and rely on third party just to im trough FB which kills the use of this native feature, but SMS messages are just to important to blend with the IMs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
This is all speculation to be fair, they have beta testers so if there are issues with notifications they will probably be aware of these. I'm happy to use a separate messaging client and keep my messaging hub for sms only as long as WLM is allowed again in IM+ and others. That would just make things easy.

On a side note people should stop complaining that nobody uses WLM, enough with that, it's the most used IM client in the world!

I'm not 12 andstill this is my number one choice for IM as I barely use my facebook account and it has integrated facebook chat anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
fair (and while I wrote the article)

one major issue with being in a beta of anything is that it takes time for testing and that's huge. I mean looking at Adam Lein and others, the sms interface was a bit bare and naked - save from the actual threaded view.

In nodo, we have seen the issue of some lag in the SMS window (not nearly as bad as windows mobile, but still very noticeable) and there needs to be some richer options for recall, optimization and trash collection.

I love the idea for having a central messaging hub that integrates the services I use most (microsoft specifically). I still use MSN and it's my favorite messaging tool (I used yahoo early in college, and AIM in high school) so I use MSN a lot.

The notification I don't feel is a huge issue (as Eldar contends). There are far more bigger problems with the SMS view from a variety of different contexts. All in all, there may be a big problem. I doubt it will be solved till Apollo but that is definitely a worse case scenario.

I mean yes, the sms lag is better in nodo, but not by much
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
One thing to note, if you dont want to use WLM or Facebook chat just change the method of communication to SMS. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to send IM's if YOU dont want to, its only there as a convenience to WP7 users so you can continue your conversation across the different mediums seamlessly. Just because someone is online on Facebook chat or WLM doesnt mean you cant just send an SMS if that is your preference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
I know. Thats not the problem. But it will render the built in IM useless if disabled.

The problem is the communication trough SMS is totally different than the communication trough IM. Which will occur on different devices still for the majority out there. An SMS to me is still a high priority thing in some cases, if you want to make an appointment it works fine trough sms, however if its cluttered with all IM's from other users and stuff Im afraid one can easily get lost in the received messages and not find the IM of the appointment when looking for it or trying to find it again after you have read it.

Having IMs seperated (which are in general sended way more frequently with less important stuff than SMS) would be better because now the user can decide to use the built in IM and keep it seperated from the SMS OR mix them in a thread if he/she desires. But one will still have the advantage of starting an IM out of the people hub.

Also I know you dont have to use it, I've seen all the demo's and read about it. But the thing is what if I want to use it but just Facebook and what if I still want to see my SMS messages seperated. Using just FB chat is not possible atm, it will also pull up your WLM contacts, it would be totally cool if I could set MSN status as offline and FB status as online, but as it looks right now its only possible the other way around...

To explain the problem in more detail

Picture this: you have the device in your pocket, its fine if people want to contact me trough Facebook, but if somebody sends me an SMS with the appointmet and half an hour later starts talking to me on FB chat (because he/she is on FB than), I check my phone and the SMS with the appointment has sunk all the way down since there have been 10 new IM's from this person.

Its easy to lose/forget the valuable information if you can not check your phone every minute.

Dont get me wrong, its a feature with great potential but as of now, it will need more control over the different services (individual statusses per service) and some way to filter out the SMS messages and hide the IM or vica versa.

This feature will benefit a lot more when it would also be possible for whatapp to be integrated, which resembles the SMS a lot better than IM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sheltem:
Maybe Microsoft could add a filter option? For example, when the SMS filter is toggled it would only show text messages as well send only text messages .
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
@Marvin_S: You could come across the same situation if you get a lot of SMS's as well, same as with email. I see your point but making them separate just makes it messier, having to switch back and forth to send messages and having to determine where a new message is. If you start adding separate notifications for each protocol then it becomes even more complex to implement and manage.

Much easier to have all the messages on one screen and you can easily just scroll to find what you want and not have to try and figure out by which method the message was delivered.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
SMS isn't just for important conversations. There is a reason why people run through thousands of SMS in a month nowadays, and its not because they are really important. Its because people use SMS the same way they use IM, to chat.

If you are getting something really important in an SMS (like an appointment), it might make sense to copy it over into a task or your calendar.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lilliput222:
nice work !http://media.xda-developers.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
Why would it make anything messier? It should be optional ofcourse, so it will only help those who will need to keep it organised.

Well SMS and IM are very different. That some of us use it the same way is a choice of course, just like some people chose to use it as different media to communicate.

You can NOT receive IM's if you dont want to receive it (OFFLINE) and the other party will not be able to send you one, while with SMS it will be sent whenever somebody desires and will be read whenever the reader has the time (always delivered --> higher priority/value).

This for me is a fundamental difference and makes SMS more reliable for appointments or letting somebody know where you are on the go.

And I just wondered why MS chose to do it this way, while all the other platforms have these forms of communication seperated.

I can see this having a good and a bad side, maybe I worry too much about the negative aspect, but it can be solved easily by providing us with some more settings to have more control over how we want to receive our IM's and Texts.

Like sheltem said a switch or a pivot with All/IM/Text will make it simple for the user to narrow its search down. And maybe defaulting it to All (like email, All/unread/flag) and having the same interface to delete IM's and texts will be great.

I have faith MS will come up with a solution which will satisfy both parties and I have full faith that they will... :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
thank god I didn't have to reiterate my position ad nauseum

I've been doing that since the article has been written and while I don't mind spirited debate of how windows phone is versus how it could be, it's like many users sorta either focused on Eldar's contentions, the notification, or the sms window and not the total sums of each argument.

As I said before, for us, geeks, there may not be much of an issue. But consider who/what microsoft is trying to target - everyone else. Place yourself in their shoes, and of course it can lead to some frustration and some easy mistakes from users thinking hey I sent it this way when in fact it came in another way - EVEN WITH THE TEXT/FACEBOOK option open.

I don't think there is anything wrong with an extra swipe gesture to switch mode of communication. It is almost the same thing microsoft is doing, but instead of it being in the menu setting, it is in the face of the user. And sometimes, that makes all of the difference.

I'm not knocking the idea or the service, but asking everyone to consider how people without windows phone may view it. And that empathy is important for Microsoft to make it a success. So it's not a knock at Microsoft or their intentions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:

Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.

It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.

But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I know personally even though it says the service in a tiny font, I'll cry foul because of user error. Microsoft's main goal is to sorta cease some consensual user error not increase it. There are a variety of ideas to kick around

One comment noted a notification system in the messaging hub that indicates where the user messaged you at (like the notifications portion of the people hub) in conjunction with the swipe/pivot gestures to make a fairly good solution of which service the notification is coming from and keeping it organized.

Adding to that paradigm, I can still see how the initial chat window serves a function, as a unified way the person contacted you recently. And I have to be honest, that would be really a great and refined method of implementing a submessaging system full of notification and a clean user experience.

But to ask

does a swipe really complicate the user more than a tap setting>mode>switch service to (sms/facebook/msn)

I'm sorry, I don't see how a pivot is less complex than the system that is in mango already. replacing the finger taps for one or two pivots...

imho should've posted this write up on xda
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
Well the thing is MS has its vision of having everything related into a horzontal scrolling panorama. Which is absolutely great.

And they want you to use the settings menu as less as possible, so in this case yeah this switch setting (which I will be using frequently) will be more annoying since its click select close than type. While the pivot swiping to the right will get you into sms directly and the user will always stay in the same "level" or layer.

And it follows the consistency of the system this way.

You will have all the options with 1 just one pivot menu:

All (which is the way it works right now) / SMS / IM / Online

if you are on all, its the threaded view with default reply option as it is now. When swipe to the right it filters the messages down to sms only with reply as SMS.

Im the same but than reply as IM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
actally that too is a good point

Microsoft has made a unified design experience focusing on pivots and wipes with metro. The idea of tapping through settings is sadly reminescent of apple and android; somethign I don't really want to go back to anytime soon
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I agree that there is the potential for a problem here. Ideally, the facebook connection would be detected as idle and the OS would choose the fallback method of SMS. I haven't used it so I can't say for sure how it handles this, I'd hope it is that good. Of course, that still leaves us with the potential for problems in the window that it takes for the user to go from online to idle/away. Not nearly as big of an issue though.

It all comes down to how accurately the software can determine a user's presence. If the OS automatically sends a message via Facebook because it knows the user is actively using Facebook then I don't think there is an issue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andoridkiller:
Personally I think ms should just separate the all and using the metro theme, sperste elm, fb chat and SMS. So you just slide. I don't use wlm, and hardly use hotmail there spam filter is awful.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
Actually, hotmaii filters out spam just fine for me. Quite well, actually.

On topic. I think we should wait and see how this works in its entirety. I don't think it's going to be as big of an issue as you guys think it may be.

And, separating the services defeats the purpose of the threaded convo view in the first place.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
This.

Seriously. If you got something important to note you probably should learn to write it down or train your working memory to recall the info instead of relying so much on technology.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Hmm, interesting my reasonable response and the response of others would be to hit the line of communication the person would check the most which arguably is a person's self phone.

Too each his own for sure, but I don't think it's out of the norm or rather is the norm that people would message someone on their phone first, especially if going somewhere to meet someone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
so much spaculation with just the demos...... and the beauty of it those demos where not detail and deep....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
You can not ask consumers to train their brains for remembering addresses or whatever they got send in, nor ask them to write them down (you have a smartphone, dont want to carry pen and paper just in case) or copy it to seperate notes... just a waste of time if the stuff is easily accesable the way it is now.

Plus you add 2 high frequency messaging services (IM's can be send trough a PC) on top of the already pretty frequent SMS feature. When you are scrolling trough the list you will not be able to clearly tell the difference between IM and SMS, nor have a possibility to filter it down (only turning the feature off but the IM's and SMS will still be scrambled).

And we are not saying the system is crap, just looking for a way to make it more usefull and more user friendly. Not saying the pivots is the best way, but its the way it works with email and works in the marketplace for filtering content.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
So the user will not be able to recognize when is sending sms or Facebook chat message? Really?
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
exactly...... all we got is spaculation...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
Well all the messages you have send and received have the same color, so scrolling trough the list only a small white text indicates when the media is switched. If you have a long list and not switched since, you would have no idea what the media is... its not a big deal really. But you will have to watch for the small white text if you look for an SMS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZxFxk-rtQ&feature=player_embedded
[Windows Phone 7 General] ms79723:
This video I'm looking at right now from gizmodo shows that it tells you if your on facebook or text right by the contacts name and switching between SMS and facebook shows the different messages. So its not grouped into one long thread..if it were, it would lag everything up for sure...its like 2 threads in one but you can only access one at a time.

Edit: Nvm. It does tell you when you're on Facebook or text by their name...but the actual messages...all one thread just like this thread was saying. Wouldn't that slow the phone down?
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Watch the video. It indicates where the message came from and when you reply, you need to choose which method to reply with, and it highlights if the person is "online" with the different services. If you reply to the method for which they are not online, the phone actually prompts you to choose a different method... All the concern seems pointless...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ms79723:
I dont really understand the concerns either. It all seems great to me. I mean, even in messaging now, if I get like 3 messages at the same time, I'm only alerted that one time, so if someone sent 5 IMs at once, it'll just seem like one message. Also, who IMs and texts the same person at the same time? It really does seem like a great idea and so far no review has complained about anything being cluttered or whatnot. I think we just need to wait and use it before we start judging it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Pfft are you kidding me? It's all common sense. Are you so reliant on technology that you can't determine for yourself when you should make a mental note of something important; jot it down; or even, i don't know, hold down the incoming message, "copy" and then paste it into mobile word?

And even if you're too lazy for that, is your short term memory such utter crap that you can't remember the exact timing that message came through? Or even remember where the message came from considering that it tells you where the message was sent from?

I'm not saying all this to fully defend how MS implemented their system, but it's not as bad as you're making it out to be and what you're bringing up is such a small contrivance.

In fact, I personally think your ideas and similar makes the whole messaging more complex than it should be. My focus is on the conversation, not where it comes from. Filtering is not crucial to me because, oh look at that, I know when I should note something is important or at least can remember when it was said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
and to quote myself

So a swipe to the left or to the right is a major contrivance? Then why are you using windows phone?

Also to make the argument that people shouldn't be so absorbed into tech is ludicrous. Why should I have to jot it down if I have it on sms or took a picture of it? It's not any less inconvenient to say oh yes that important number a friend of mine gave me is in the sms let me just scroll and say bam I have it...

Be realistic. If the tech isn't here to perform the way the end user wants it (i.e. making such things easier) why is it there in the first place?

And let's discuss short term memory while we're at it

The average human short term memory due to decay is about between 4-30 seconds without rehearsal. Do I want to really rehearse something that is written or messaged to me? Why should a user even have to?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sunxin8086:
If SMS is that important, guess what, turnall your other iM off. There you go, you van still find your address easily. Apparently, messaging hub is not for you, but nobody is preventing you from doing it the old way.