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[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
The video you linked plays all right but it is clearly not playing at thirty fps like it should. There is obviously going to be some differences between different 720p videos especially when decoding from software, but it's pretty clear to me that the transormer us not accelerating videos played by flash in the browser.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cmbg78:
I purchased a transformer yesterday and I've been playing around with Flash in the browser. I am also experiencing the terrible frame rates that others have been reporting. I'm currently in the process of rooting and moving to Prime 1.4 so we'll see if there is any noticeable difference.

One thing that strikes me after trying flash in the stock browser, Maxthon, Dolphin HD, and Opera is that each browser performs differently, some worse and some better. Maxthon seems to be the best experience for me with Opera being the worse. What I've noticed is the more terrible the browser performance, the more terrible the Flash video experience. I am beginning to thing the two are related - that somehow the browsers are terrible at any sort of rendering, perhaps specific to flash, but most certainly this has to do with the Asus build as the browsers and Flash are very snappy on the Galaxy Tabs I have played with. My hope is that when one issue is fixed, the other is fixed along with it.

I also noticed that in Maxthon if I view a video (from Ebaum's World, for example) in full screen I actually experience better performance. When I run the Flash video windowed in a browser, it is much worse. Has anyone else noticed these symptoms as well?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Stephen289:
How did you get flash to run on opera?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] victorythagr8:
Well went on the stock browser debug menu and see that open gl acceleration is on so its probably on flash side since alot of app that use open gl outside of flash works great. Shoot I see adobe screw up many time with flash mobile .
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cmbg78:
Now that I think about it, I didn't get it to work in Opera. Opera performed terribly slow, though.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
I didn't think Flash worke at all in Opera Mobile? DEfinately doen'st on mine anyway. If I go to a youtube page in opera it opens the video in teh youtube app. Is there a way to get Opera to work with Flash then?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
If this isn't fixed by Wednesday I'm returning my tablet! The poor performance is horrific... I hate using the youtube app.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Not until Google release the Honeycomb source code, until then Opera and the BBC iPlayer app, which both use flash via the OS API are both borked.

It's a shame that Google are crippling their latest baby in this way...

In Opera's own words (from the Marketplace, What's New tab):

""Flash not supported on Android 3.x due to Google not releasing necessary platform code""
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Opera is VERY fast here, 2-3x faster than the stock browser. I'm not sure how you benchmark.. I'm just waiting for flash support in Opera (which will happen when Google release the Honeycomb source), and then I don't need the stock browser for anything. It's way behind Opera in HTML5 scores, benchmarks and ECMA compliance.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
I am now using Opera as my main browser becaus eas you say its teh fastest so far, I know flash is not enabled which might be a caue of some of teh speed increase but it stil seems snapper. I tried original, then went to Dolphin HD which was good, then found Maxthon which I thought I was going to stick with, then I tried opera mobile whcih Ive now set as my main browser. There seems to be less issues viewing various sites and it just seesm nicer to use. I kept maxthon incase i needed flash but I don't tend to need it much, if at all really.

All my issues seem to be related to teh base software from google. I wonder why they aren't releasing the code for something thats supposed to be open source? what are they hiding? I know they say they wrote it from the ground up but I know of a lot of coders that have had a poke around and have said a lot of the coding seems to be left from teh earlier android versions. Are they trying to hide that? Makes me wonder...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rartino:
Anyone up for a battery test?

We can use this video (which is the only very long video I have found with a decent quality option):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLArBZISjio

The idea is: fully charge the unit. Go to that youtube video and select 480p. Mute the volume both on the tablet and in the youtube player. Go fullscreen. Unplug charger as video starts. Report back how long it takes until the unit runs out of charge.

Suggestion: record the tablet running this with a computer webcam, that way it is easy to find out at which exact point it stops. I mean, unless you are into watching a guy play saxophone for 7 hours.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cerchiara:
Loving Opera as well but really hate how it auto zooms when you click something. Anyone know how to fix that?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] keroppilee:
This topic is too important to get buried. Anyone have any new info?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] vikdmon:
Gonna be doing the same.. i am on prime 1.5.. how do i go back to stock 3.0/3.1 to return?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
I do not understand why so many people have problems with Flash playback. I am having ZERO problems with my Flash playback. It is flawless.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] vikdmon:
720p flash playback?

so you're saying your TF can play this video

http://www.vevo.com/watch/eminem/space-bound/USUV71100237?recSrc=topA&source=home

with no choppiness?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] residentorca:
Just got Flash 10.3 update from market. The vevo link above this post plays back fairly well. Some stutters but overall seems better.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] vikdmon:
Are you running a custom ROM or stock 3.1?

I am on prime 1.5, upgraded from 1.4
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Canadoc:
Runs fine for me in 720p

Stock rooted with oc to 1.4 ghz on netformer kernel
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luola:
I also updated the 10.3, and a lot of the 480p flash video preform better than before.

Tried vevo 720p link, it looks smoother.

Also did youtube my_speed test, still single digit fps....

stock3.1 not rooted.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
What's fine for you may in fact be terrible for others.

What is the reported frame rate of this video http://www.youtube.com/my_speed in 720p?

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rilot:
I get 5fps on that video in 720p and about 20fps in 360p which is rather pathetic.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] aibo:
No it's not running fine, when you click on the vevo link it plays the low resolution, even if it says 720p look at the "blockiness" of the video. You should enable 1080p and then enable 720p again to have the right video, that way you'll see the video is choppy.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] droid_does:
24~ FPS on 360p

>6 FPS on 720p

on Prime 1.5 and OC'ed to 1.2ghz
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Underwater Mike:
FWIW, I get 5 fps in 720 and 10 in 360, on Prime! 1.5 and the newest Flash update. :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SR45:
I like the the tab comparison threads. It keeps the individual that is looking for a purchase in the know as to what issues or strengths for each of them, so keep it up. Those that do not like the comparisons just don't read the threads on them. Real simple ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
My friend got the tab the other day and he is enjoying it. I can't do a side by side comparison because we are about 2800 miles apart
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Canadoc:
Your problem I am afraid. For me the vevo video in 720p fullscreen was not choppy. True the YouTube test video was bad but seems some flash plays nicer for me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] keroppilee:
Look not to sound trollish but the only thing that's not subjective here are numbers. I know some people who can't tell the difference between 30 frames and 60 frames and some who can. Numbers don't lie. If you're running 720p on that test video at better than 10 frames then your flash is probably hardware accelerated. From what this thread seems to indicate, the transformer is the only one that doesn't.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Canadoc:
numbers are just numbers

Quadrant bnchmarks are a great example.

Ever think it is possible that there is something about the test vid on youtube speedtest that makes it so slow? I can tell without the fps showing that is is jerky and not smooth.

The video on the Vevo site is much smoother and looks to not skip any or certainly very few frames.

I have heard it is not just the flash wrapper but how the audio and video is encoded etc. that affects playback.

There are some 720p flash videos that play near perfect for me and others that do not.

I challenge you to goto Hd trailers website and play this Pirates of Caribbean trailer. It is 720 p with flash.

Plays perfectly smooth in moboplayer.

http://www.hd-trailers.net/movie/pirates-of-the-caribbean-on-stranger-tides/

pick the one 720p trailer 3 with the mf next to it

you will be able to play flash video then.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cmbg78:
i am just dumb....accidentally grabbed mini...mobile is very fast!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cmbg78:
The issue is browser based playback...and the trailer linked above has terrible performance in the browser.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
I think some people must be viewing teh mobile version of the site or something because there is no way anybody could say that the 720p in a flash video through a browser is smooth.... It's absolutely awful.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] keroppilee:
Agree and the main SPECIFIC point of comparison is this:

It's been reported both the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 and Xoom can play the youtube test video in the browser at ~30fps but the transformer cant.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Yup, and so based on the fact that we have the same basic hardware and software, and somewhere something software based got messed up and asus seriously need to fix it! I updates are few and far between. I what happened to the asus with excellent support that I used to deal with years ago?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Canadoc:
Again for me it plays perfectly smooth. Try uninstalling and reinstalling flash and reboot.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stnel:
Between GTab and Co. on one side and the Tansformer on the other side it's all about hardware/software optimization, because Transformer uses a newer version of Tegra 2, Ventana, which comes with a new SDK, and Honeycomb was developed and tested using the older version. The shame falls on Google in my opinion.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] acomiskey:
Runs awesome here...much better than anything on youtube.

Prime 1.5, netformer 1.5, running at 1.4ghz. Opened link above in stock browser. Pressed button to go to fullscreen, pressed play and it looks super smooth. Yes, this was in the browser.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] newtybar:
tried the vevo link...480p initial is fine...

up it to 720p and it looks like sh*t. Super choppy, I'm guessing 5-10fps.

It is definitely not hardware accelerating.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] acomiskey:
Vevo video plays perfect here at 720p.

So far the only video that doesn't play well for me in the browser at 720p is the one at youtube.com/my_speed. Other than that one it flies.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bithir:
Just had to test to check as well. Went to the hallway (strongest WiFi there) and started playing the 720p (after some buffering) in max-screen mode. Plays flawless, well, flawless when our internet succeeds keeping up. The flash player on the site seems to have issues with non-perfect bandwidth because after about 30 seconds of flawless playing, it got stuck on "buffering".

So, beside network issues - it seems to play fine on my TF.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
Didn't know the Transformer uses a different Tegra 2 version. Can you link to some additional information on this?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] andyzarins:
Hi

Has anyone heard anything from Asus on this issue? Don't see why peoples flash performance would be any better unless there is something wrong with certain transformers. Since 3.1 the YouTube application works perfectly up to and including 1080p. Flash performance through the browser is shocking. I have the browser set up as desktop so my Asus is identified as a PC rather than a tablet so for instance BBC I player will allow HD content to be streamed. Just splutters on my transformer and YouTube is the same. Flash only seems good for showing adverts and that is about it on my Asus.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sontin:
Nothing from them. That's very disappointing because HD Flash-Playback is one of 3.1 main feature.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Just spotted something really strange. I just rooted and changed kernel, and overclock to 1.6ghz. The reason idid that was to see if more gru f would give smoother results. The I went and played a 720hd from Youtube a f it was perfect! Then I went to see what frame rate was at my_speed on Youtube. The it was 12fps and choppy. I couldn't understand it. After some hunting around i've realised sometimes a certain video will play perfect while others don't.

How could this be? I surely 720 is 720 no matter what? So how come some play smooth?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ewitte:
Same here smooth in the Youtube app but slow in browser. I'll just stick to youtube app for now its at least working I just came off gtablet which was MUCH MUCH worse.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sontin:
I think it's dependent on the video settings. Videos with baseline profil don't need a lot of cpu power. So these are should running fine with 1,6Ghz.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
I just tried underclocking and still some were fine. I like you say, the coding must be more cpu intensive on some videos.

I just hope asus are doing a fix, and for some reason I don't think they are. I have an awful feeling its not a simple things to patch. If it were one of the clever bods on here would have already created a patch for root users...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] andyzarins:
GOT IT!!!!!

changed the settings in the browser...

user agent string in the advanced tab to tablet and it now streams 1080p via the browser on the YouTube website. YouTube must opitimise playback for tablets automatically.

I don't want to see mobile versions of websites hence why I have the browser set to desktop
[Eee Pad Transformer General] residentorca:
Same ROM as you with latest Netformer kernal set to 1.4 GHz with interactive governor.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Got what?

I had mine as desktop. The as android I think Youtube sends html5 videos so it's not using flash at all.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] andyzarins:
Change it to tablet and it will stream HD YouTube via the browser. I seem to remember you can't change this setting on the xoom?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Oh right yes. like you say though, we end up with mobile versions of sites then which is silly when you have a 10inch screen and wifi broadband.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] andyzarins:
i think the default setting is tablet so a fair few Asus users will have never changed this setting. Whole point of these tablets is a desktop experience when web browsing. I agree mobile / tablet versions websites are generally poo. Least it explains the different experiences of flash performance for some users on this thread.

Again I am sure I read somewhere you could not change this setting on the xoom. Was a while ago I could be mistaken. Would explain again why flash performance would appear to be superior.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] darkonex:
Actually to fix this on Youtube in a browser go to http://www.youtube.com/html5 and opt in to have the videos be HTML5 by default, it seems to be working for me, I just played some vids in the browser @ 720P and they weren't all jerky like they were before, and still get the full site experience.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] newtybar:
I set mine to desktop as well....

Why would I want to view mobile sites?!

I will try the VEVO (user agent:tab) vs VEVO (user agent: desktop) when I get home.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] darkonex:
Ah crap just noticed though that not all vids are availale in HTML5 though so not a good fix :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
Yes. But next time give me something that doesn't suck to watch :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Flash video playback on the Transformer is not being accelerated, end of story. If playback seems ok on some 720p source then it is just that: a perception. The human eye isnt really capable of discerning frame rates much above 20-25 fps on average so if the software is getting close to that ( for some people 15 might even be enough) they might perceive to be ok but it is still NOT working correctly.

The only solution right now is to watch videos in HTML5 or in the native YouTube app.

I have filed an official bug report with both Adobe and Asus and we'll hopefully get some feedback on this soon.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] darkonex:
Good idea, I filed a bug report to Asus too on this and the battery drain on dock and random reboots and pointed them to this forum with all these issues. More of us should do this to try so they know we really need fixes for these.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] vikdmon:
Well with vevo, i found that you need to let the page and the fb comments below it load completely. And then you can watch this hot video with no problem in full screen.. :-)

http://www.vevo.com/watch/jennifer-lopez/on-the-floor/USUV71100181
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
What browser are you Using? if I et plugins to be on demand all Youtube videos still want to use flash even after I've opted in...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xTRICKYxx:
Now it is just a matter of waiting. When I first got my tablet, I was extremely disappointed with the sluggish playback while being perplexed on why that was. But HOPEFULLY, Asus or Adobe or Google (whoever screwed this up) will fix this and we will all be happy!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
oh I See! It appears not every video on Youtube is served with html5. The on tajt have adverts still use flash and so do a lot of others. The opt in does work though on many titles. Nice find :D

we still need a proper patch though...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
lets hope So!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cottinghamm:
I have tried the Tablet vs. Desktop setting for the BBC website to watch the tennis, in Tablet you get full screen, in Desktop only a small section when selecting Full Screen - seems odd.

On either the performance is pixelated and choppy, nothing wrong with my network speed.

From the comments here it seems obvious that Flash video through the browser is compromised and Asus need to address this. We all know that the browser has other faults such as laggy text entry & FCs so there are multiple issues that need addressing.

Someone from Asus really should be looking at these threads.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] vikdmon:
Flash is now enabled for Opera mobile 11.1

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1148317

http://www.opera.com/mobile/specs/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
Anyone know how I can stop the Youtube app from playing back videos in Opera Mobile latest? It seems top be opening them in the Youtube app when I click a video. I want to play them natively in Opera Mobile. Flash or HTML5 so I can compare.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] vikdmon:
Try:

Settings -> Applications -> All -> Youtube . Clear Defaults

And then go to browser and try to play a flash video it should ask how the action should be performed, select browser. You can check the default box if you want.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xTRICKYxx:
There really is nothing we can do to FIX the lack of Hardware Acceleration at this time; only find something that seems a little better. I for one will enable HTML5 on YouTube, and wait for a new SD card to overclock my Transformer.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hensk:
+1

I want to know too, what the problem is?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Here's the situation:

Flash hardware acceleration is totally possible. I know that, you know that, they know that. In theory, it should be working. We have Honeycomb 3.1, the latest Flash Player in the market and everything seems golden.

The problem is that the Flash Player itself is not loading a module called "Stage Video." This module is required for hardware accelerated playback on any device. Stage Video has to work on your PC if you want acceleration there, it has to work on your Transformer if you want acceleration there too. From what I understand, there will be one of two reasons why it is not working. Either 1) Adobe passes the request off to the OS and the OS replies that it cannot do it (Asus's fault) or 2) Flash Player assumes that this is a low-end Android device and doesn't even bother trying to load the Stage Video module (Adobe's fault).

Having the kernel source will not fix this problem because this is not where the problem lies. Hopefully this is just a problem with Flash Player not being aware of what the Transformer is and--wrongly--refusing to load the Stage Video module. That should be an easy fix that they can push to the market as soon as they identify and correct it. If it's a problem with the Asus built Honeycomb libraries being modified in such a way as they are borked, then this requires Asus to solve the problem.

Does this make sense? Right now we're at the mercy of Adobe (and maybe Asus) to solve this problem for us.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cerchiara:
So maybe we need to start barking at adobe and not just asus.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
I've filed a bug report with Adobe and it is currently under review by their guy in charge of dealing with Android Flash Player bugs.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
And they finally added an exit button option!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Srikar_NBK:
Thanks. Lets see if it moves well. I'm not sure how fast Adobe responds to such requests
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
They usually respond within a day or two. Who knows if this is an easy fix or if it is even a problem with their software.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Well at least we'd know if it was flash or Asus then.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] zillah1985:
720p video from youtube for me was stuttery.

MLB.tv from the browser was stuttery as well.

Not happy. Going to return this product if it isn't fixed along with keyboard lag and battery drain.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xTRICKYxx:
Any reply from Adobe? This really upsets me how such a major thing can be overlooked... I get the feeling Adobe will say it isn't their fault, and then Asus will point their finger at Adobe then Google will somehow get involved..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jjsoviet:
Keyboard lag on the browser? Try using Opera instead since it's the only browser that has zero lag thanks to its engine. Updated to have Flash support and user agent string too. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xTRICKYxx:
Yeah, Opera 11.1 = ZERO keyboard lag whatsoever. It makes me wonder why the hell google can't beat Opera at optimizing the browser experience now..

Stil... We need flash hardware acceleration! /rage
[Eee Pad Transformer General] droid_does:
the only problem with opera for me is......sometimes when I type in passwords or stuff etc it'll delete whatever I typed once I click done or outside the box then I have to retype the whole damn thing :mad: