yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Epic 4G General] boominz28:
I'm not a developer,Ii try and help when I can on certain things or ask stupid questions when i can.

I don't know the ins and outs of the whole bonzai thing , but who in the hell do the mods think they are telling someone that's making his rom what he can and cant put in it. and then telling him to remove it or get banned, so he chose to leave.

I do agree that you should follow rules, but where in the rules does it say you cant use Bonzai code. if he changed one letter or number then its no longer his code its the guy working on it.

I know I'm going to get flamed, mainly because I'm not as informed as the rest of you , its just my OPINION.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
I won't argue with you. The violation has already been noted. Using bits from a rom which has violated xda rules before.
[Epic 4G General] Custodian:
This thread should be deleted. Its fruitless to question XDA Rules. Do something more constructive and go question your governments! They imprison folk for distributing weed. But allow the tobbaco corperations to sell substances known to cause thousands of problems with the human body to millions of people. Lol.
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Would you be so kind as to point out which rule that is, as I don't see it in the forum rules?
[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
I take it you use newspaper to roll one giant massive foot long pot missile joint?
[Epic 4G General] Custodian:
Lmao! You're one troll I respect! Remind me of that funny chinese dude from the hangover!!! /salute
[Epic 4G General] Custodian:
LMAO!!!!!! YOU SILLY!!!

Its the truth though pahtna!! Damn the media!
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Thats against the rules? what rule? because I can't find it there..
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
AA is working on our own ext4 kernel...
[Epic 4G General] Neckberg:
Lets not jump on Decad3nce for this. He is the only mod I have seen offer an explanation to us. Thank you for that.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
It's fairly obvious that you shouldn't post things that were taken off xda in the first place. It's a derivative of the rules which were violated by the original material. I've also deferred this question to a senior moderator as I'm running on 3 hours of sleep and cognitive behavior is lacking atm
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
Also, don't feel like you're "jumping me". I don't mind. If you have an grievances about this matter, there's no point in not reaching out and working things out.
[Epic 4G General] compuw22c:
YAY! Maybe this means you guys might stick around? Coming from someone who routinely does things based on principle (even when it may make things more difficult for me) I understand the desire to say "Ya know what, you don't like it, I'll go somewhere else". However, my personal opinion on this matter is that if you're already close to making the ROM XDA compliant, I feel the the community as a whole would be much better off if you guys stayed :) If we were on an evo or another phone with more devs than testers, we'd probably be alright. But I think we can all agree here with Samsung's lacking software development (I know we got gingerbread and all but my compass still has never, ever worked without workarounds from XDA. We need all the devs we can get to help with Gingerbread and Cyanogenmod!
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
I am trying to work things out ATM.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
Awesome. Hope you do.
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
You would have to pretty much close the Epic dev section if that were the case, as almost every ROM here has some Bonsai code in it.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
Not how things are done at xda. It's case by case and evaluated. It's clearly working since no one has been banned, at all. Just gotta interpret and come to a resolution which best benefits xda and the user.

Also, contrary to what you may believe, I will state again: We don't go on witch hunts.
[Epic 4G General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
You don't say? When someone has to constantly point out flaws in your reasoning, you aren't moderating. Your opining. Moderating is weighing the pros and cons until their is a 100% certainty.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
I won't get into arguments about arguments. That's a recursive failure.

I haven't changed my reasoning. I told you why it was in violation, where does this violation stem from, and what can be done.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
That makes sense if the originating material was taken down due the the material itself violating the rules..but that was not the case as the problem was due to the distribution method...so I don't see how it should be an issue :/
[Epic 4G General] rgregg504:
I think this was the most useful general thread in ages. Ask the question in a reasonable manner, get direct honest answer, end of discussion. Now devs know more to avoid and hopefully the ridiculous questions in the other thread will stop.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
By all means, if you have grievances regarding this, air them out.

Even if the material itself didn't violate the rules, the people producing it did. Ergo, the material does. - That's the basis right now
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
It was technically fully legal for me to take their donate-ware (I thought it was free, I didn't know it was payed) because they distributed samsung's free OS with open source modules for money without permission from Samsung. So since the kernel combination was between a free kernel and free modules, I am free to distribute it for free because of that. Thank you Linux.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
Under GPL, that is true for the modules(as long as you link to what they were built against) and the kernel when there's no source available.

Under xda rules, its evaluated on a case by case basis. With your ROM, the install and init.d scripts were the ultimate deciding factor and what led to the decision.
[Epic 4G General] Shoulon:
You should know very well marcusant, that kinda argument won't work here. Everything u said is the reason why where in this boat with xda and bonsai.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
ok so based on that..there are some Android phones, even HTC phones that the manufacturer did not comply with the GPL...hence the content is in violation of the rules and any dev using that content will have their roms removed?
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
That's special circumstance. HTC is a major manufacturer. Without the blobs from HTC or any other OEM, 90% of the roms on xda wouldn't exist.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Yes I understand that..but since bonsai content itself is not violating the rules, I see no reason why someone can't use them..its equivalent to making a special case to isolate bonsai on a personal level.

The reason xda took down the bonsai rom was due to the distribution method, not anything against the content itself..as long as the content is following the rules I don't see any reason to exclude it...

or is xda punishing content based on its original creator?
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
this.

and this.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
I agree. I t was awesome to get a full explanation of what happened, as all I was able to go on was rumors and bits a pieces I found

Got no issues with the rules, just wanted make sure I knew "why" of what happened, so I could make judgment calls for myself on if to use different pieces of software or not

The mod here has actually been VERY helpful in clearing things up from the XDA viewpoint, at least IMO

No one was banned, just specific SW, which is XDA's right to do

If I dont like it, I can chose to move on, or get over it, as thats

MY

problem to deal with

I am just glad things were explained in a way that I could make a more informed decision on my choices

And for that, I want to say thanks, once again!!
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
This is getting out of hand. Quite frankly I'm tired of it. The problem here is that this is one way justice. It's one interpretation of the rules and the violator (guilty or not) either complies or is shut down. Questioning anything is a waste of time as no one is actually listening. This is a "open" community and as such we will run into problems from time to time. That said, I simply don't get why XDA is targeting specific developers, even after they have left. There are many developers that have taken similar approaches as the Bonsai team has, donationware issues aside.

Every single one of my ROM's uses the older Bonsai kernel that I might ad is freely available as is the source code. Now I'm in violation and facing a tough choice. Do I pull ALL my ROM's and replace each and every kernel and repost or do I simply pull my ROM's and just move on?

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I simply don't have the time to replace the kernels in ROM's that are now decided to be in violation. Doing so would be forcing my users to pay a price and for my entire thread to be invalidated because a fundamental part of the ROM has been changed.

What also concerns me is the libelous way we are using terms like "violating the GPL". Saying something like this, without providing proof is unprofessional, especially when the party accused of these violations doesn't have a chance to address these concerns. I have grown frustrated with this whole thing.

I have been a productive and very well respected member of this community. I have worked very hard to help keep this community moving forward and keep the morale up, especially in light of so many recent losses. I'm saddened that all of my work must be redone in order for me to keep my threads open. This is all based on interpretation of a rule that seems less and less cut and dry.

In my opinion the right way to handle this is privately between senior administration at XDA and Bonsai. I think that if you are going to accuse anyone of being in violation of the Apache or GPL for Android you better make sure you can back it up. If you make the public statement that they are in violation I think we should see exactly where they are in violation. If you can provide no proof then holding people accountable, like myself or anyone else using the fruits of the Bonsai tree is simply unfair and a great way to purge the xda forums of people like myself who are trying to make a difference.

Again, I don't pay for any Bonsai work. Would I charge someone for early access, no. However, the work I'm using is not pre-release but what is "FREELY" available for download on their site and also the code is available as well. Please show me how this is a violation.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
To clarify something..Early releases, and Donationware is not against the GPL, even selling stuff is not against the GPL..

They are against xda rules though but GPL should not be used as a justification for those instances.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
Exactly. I totally agree that they violated XDA rules. No question. They have left and that should be that. How can this be an open community if work that DOES NOT violate, GPL or Appache is being censored by XDA. It not only stifles creativity but promotes a closed environment. Why, months after Bonsai left is this just now being brought up. If the work itself doesn't violate anything then what's the problem.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
If Bonsai so chooses to return back to xda, they would have to do so while abiding by the rules. That includes removing the instances of donationware from the site which continue to make any of their material also in violation of xda rules(even if its offsite).

If you have access to the kernel source, link it in your thread. Then there's no problem there.

GPL was never used as a justification. It was only used when there was a blob posted on xda without source links.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
It's brought up now because it has come to our attention now. We only have ~40 some moderators, and all of them are volunteers. You must understand that some things aren't actioned right away.
[Epic 4G General] pre2epic4g:
Don’t be so misunderstanding to think that Mammon ruined anything. I like XDA but feel they are having growing pains and rather than adapting/evolving choose to stick to their guns. He who rests rusts.
[Epic 4G General] pre2epic4g:
poorly stated at best.....
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Though the moment someone receives that content they have full right to distribute it as much as the author under the GPL.

So lets say I am a member of the donationware site, The moment I receive the content I have full right to distribute it as much as the author minus selling it.as long as proper credit is given. And at that moment it ceases to be donationware.

In the xda rules the limitation is place on the users choice of allowed distribution method. IT does not reflect limitations on content. Only limitation on content is GPL compliance and no trial software.

Edit: Also I actually found a clause under which bonsai can do donationware on their site and distribute here

so if they count it as "free version of their product" that would let it slide...lol
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
True about the kernel itself, and the modules, as long as you link to source that is up to date and anyone can compile. (excluding samsung blobs with no source)

Not true about the following bits which were found in AnonymousROM, even if they are scripts. They're considered parts of early access Bonsai ROM.

adnan@Decad3nce:~/AnonymousROM/AnonymousROM_EF02_EXT4_beta$ grep bonsai * -r
META-INF/com/google/android/updater-script:ifelse(file_getprop("/mnt/sdcard/.bonsai/config.prop","ro.bonsai.system.journal") == "y",
META-INF/com/google/android/updater-script:ifelse(file_getprop("/mnt/sdcard/.bonsai/config.prop","ro.bonsai.data.journal") == "y",
META-INF/com/google/android/updater-script:ifelse(file_getprop("/mnt/sdcard/.bonsai/config.prop","ro.bonsai.cache.journal") == "y",
Binary file system/tts/lang_pico/en-US_ta.bin matches
system/etc/init.d/10-mountfs:BPROP='/sdcard/.bonsai/config.prop'
system/etc/init.d/10-mountfs:	yn=`${BB} grep ro.bonsai.${k}.journal ${BPROP} | ${BB} cut -f2 -d =`;
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/dump_image matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/nandroid matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/volume matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/mkyaffs2image matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/erase_image matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/recovery matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/edify matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/unyaffs matches
Binary file system/bin/recoveryfiles/flash_image matches
tools/data-backup:backfile=/mnt/sdcard/bonsai-backup/backup-data.cpio.gz
tools/data-backup: $BB test ! -d /mnt/sdcard/bonsai-backup && $BB mkdir /mnt/sdcard/bonsai-backup
tools/data-restore:backfile=/mnt/sdcard/bonsai-backup/backup-data.cpio.gz
tools/disk-init:bconfig='/mnt/sdcard/.bonsai'
tools/disk-init:[ ! -d $bconfig ] && ${BB} mkdir /mnt/sdcard/.bonsai
tools/disk-init:	if [ -f ${props} ] && ${BB} grep ro.bonsai.system.journal ${props}; then
tools/disk-init:	yn=`${BB} grep ro.bonsai.system.journal ${props} | ${BB} cut -f2 -d =`
tools/disk-init:	echo "ro.bonsai.system.journal=${yn}" >> ${props}
tools/disk-init:	echo "ro.bonsai.system.bdev=${bdev}" >> ${props}
tools/disk-init:	if [ -f ${props} ] && ${BB} grep ro.bonsai.data.journal ${props}; then
tools/disk-init:	yn=`${BB} grep ro.bonsai.data.journal ${props} | ${BB} cut -f2 -d =`
tools/disk-init:	echo "ro.bonsai.data.journal=${yn}" >> ${props}
tools/disk-init:	echo "ro.bonsai.data.bdev=${bdev}" >> ${props}
tools/disk-init:	if [ -f ${props} ] && ${BB} grep ro.bonsai.cache.journal ${props}; then
tools/disk-init:	yn=`${BB} grep ro.bonsai.cache.journal ${props} | ${BB} cut -f2 -d =`
tools/disk-init:	echo "ro.bonsai.cache.journal=${yn}" >> ${props}
tools/disk-init:	echo "ro.bonsai.cache.bdev=${bdev}" >> ${props}
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
Yeah but if he's freely distributing it then I fail to see what the problem is. Now this, if it was pre-release was not intended for public consumption as it was NOT final code. I have personally not looked at this yet so I thought I would ask the question.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
Theoretically, true.
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
The user who flagged this to me stated that it was from the pre-release. And judging by their last release in their early access fora, it seems to be so.

And seeing that there was no link to it being freely open? We have to go by our gut.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Those are also in the non-beta release of bonsai. It is a jounaling check. Anyways. I removed bonsai stuff now...
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
We do? Speak for yourself, I personally have no opinion about the technical workings of AA or Bonsai because I do not use their stuff. And after countless threads like this, I won't go near it just on principle - too much drama.

Not the ROM I'm using. But it will never get posted on here though because the guy who put it together doesn't want to deal with drama like this. There's always some jackass out there who would troll/flame for no good reason.
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Anyways, how did you do that test thing? I want to make sure I removed everything...
[Epic 4G General] maxertx:
I agree...server needs COWBELL!
[Epic 4G General] Decad3nce:
Seems like everything's worked out regarding this issue. Thanks for all the input guys.

Final summary of events:

Thread was closed down for investigation.

Scripts from bonsai pre-release donationware were present, and blobs for ext4 w/ no notice from where they came from.

Flags thrown regarding ptfdmedic using bonsai kernel.

No kernel source was linked in ptfdmedic's thread, was considered non-gpl compliant.

Contact with moderation led to resolutions for both Marcusant(AA) and ptfdmedic.

The ROMs are allowed to stay on XDA

So final conclusion, and learning snippet for developers in future scenarios of the like:

Don't use bits from donationware which has violated xda rules so you don't get in trouble yourself.

Always link to kernel source whenever you're using a kernel which isn't familiar to the fora moderators. (ex: Bonsai Kernel)

*Note, this kind of play-by-play won't be present for every incident in the forum. This was a special case which we haven't seen before, and we acted as we felt benefited the user and the community of XDA.
[General Questions and Answers] dazkyl:
Tell me which one do you prefer and why ? CHEERS :D
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigfau:
How do I know when my phone is unlocked ?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Red_81:
Did you receive all f's back for your unlock code? If so, then you're unlocked.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigfau:
Network Lock OFF

SP Lock OFF

CP Lock OFF

Data Lock OFF

Is this what you are talking about? If so than SWEEEEEEEEEEETA:p
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Red_81:
You're golden man.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigfau:
Thank

But I dont have to put in sim from another carrier for it to be fully unlocked? Sorry :confused:
[General Questions and Answers] miesman:
I used Dutty's Rom's with great pleasure for several years.

But now my HTC Diamond2 has died an ugly death.:eek:

So I have bought me an HTC Desire S (with android) and I would really like to use the mail-notification you used in Dutty's Rom's.

It's the one with the female voice.

As I have looked all over the Internet with no luck in finding it,

I was wondering if anyone could send me the sound file for this notification?

Or at least point me in the right direction if you please.

With kind regards,

Michel
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RRibeiro:
I have a new (1day old) SGS2 that came with swype 2.70 installed.

I have a beta account in Swype and I can install swype 3 beta, and I did it many times on my old phone (HD2).

But now when I go to activate Swype 3 via the Swype installer program, I can't desable the original one to update to the new.

Anyone know how to do this?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scarecrow2012:
Root phone, get root explorer, delete swype.apk from system/app. Download Swype 3.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RRibeiro:
Thanks, it works.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OryZ:
Thanks helped me as well
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
I deleted trigger off my sd and now I'm running simply honey. I pretty much need that boot on every rom I run. Can xda dump it for me?

Thanks guys
[Vibrant General] Shortbus-Driver:
Redownload trigger and pull the bootanimation.zip out of it
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
yeah, there is a project v theme that has it, would be smaller to download.
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
This I will try. I wasnt gonna dl the whole rom again.
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
Couldn't find it.
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
System/media
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
No. couldnt find the theme. After dl 3 of them and wasting over 100mb of data. Can someone dump it please?
[Vibrant General] kawika:
lol, after all that you should have just DL the ROM since you know it has it. I have a few different copies of Trigger saved so I'm not sure if this is it or not but here ya go, bro!

Also I would take a look at:

"XDA Developers" bootanimation (been stuck on this one for a grip)

and the

"World" bootanimation from [EDT] for their "Atriarc LG" ROM, that one is friggin titz! (if only it didn't say "Atriarc"):rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
You could not find the theme???

Did you search the theme section??
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
Yes
[Eee Pad Transformer Accessories] bbilko:
I've been hunting for a wall mount for my TF to make it into a media player and recipe DB in my kitchen.

I have just ordered one of these, and will post a review after it arrives.

http://www.dockem.com/
[Eee Pad Transformer Accessories] rshack52:
Long time, no follow-up ;)

Did it work?

If it did then, does it still work now? Or did the tape get tired and bounce it on the floor?

thanks...
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] terrormattie:
Will it be ported to the x10 mini or is our devices to slow again?

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/get-some-panorama-action-for-non-sony-phones/
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] Eyama:
you hahe on market alot of that kind of app and test witch one is perfect for you. i tried Photaf 3D panorama and it is working great ;)
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] fyudha:
photaf 3d is the best panorama app that i ever tried
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] manolisho22:
We need the ARMv7 processor for Sony panorama's app.

Sorry for my bad english
[Vibrant General] jwleonhart:
Are there any themes out there for CM7 that have battery percentages and all that?

Can't seem to find anyhting much..
[Vibrant General] sroach23:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1028419
[Vibrant General] Binary100100:
You should ask here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1056292
[Vibrant General] crazy25000:
Over 170 themes lol....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1056292

Edit....ohhhh, Binary beat me to it lol :D
[Vibrant General] shreddintyres:
umm, you can also enable the batter percentage to show on stock cm, go into settings, cm settings, interface, status bar tweaks and enable battery percentage.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] crstfr:
dont know... but i rock that veggie burger font~... its cool
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] exorcist26:
I search all forums but ı didnt solved this problem. Plesase help me about this problem. ı changed fonts but the problem is still ongoing. sms inbox didnt show turkısh character ç,ş,ı,ö.. . how ı solve this problem.

thx for help.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] jpnava01:
I bought the P510E from site on Amazon, the default language is set for the far East, English Singapore is the closest to US English. Can anyone advise how to change the region to US?