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[HTC Sensation] samnada:
Got my Sensation yesterday. Just tried the death grip test and can't make it drop below 4 bars no matter how I hold it. This is with "Best wifi performance" unchecked. Wifi Analyzer does show a drop in signal strength of about 20dB, but I never lose connectivity. Played a YouTube HQ video and it never stutters in landscape, with both hands wrapped around the phone. Based on the signal drop it's very likely that in a low signal location holding it certain ways would cause connectivity loss. But that's very likely true of any phone.

So, being conservative I'd say at least some Sensations with some routers do not have the problem.
[HTC Sensation] qckuthbutt:
Hi. I've heard that there may be a difference in the models. Some have 3 pins connecting to the back cover/antenna and some have only 2 pins connecting to the cover. If people could post if they're having problems and how many pins they have under their back covers there could be a link?
[HTC Sensation] .haNk:
i just purchased my phone last Saturday, and i am already on my second phone. they both exhibit this "death grip" issue, and the problem is very apparent--enough to render the wifi useless for me.

it does seem to be based on the wireless AP though. i do not experience an issue at work, nor at certain public wifi points. however, my cheesy home wireless AP seems to have a problem, and i suspect most hotel wireless APs will as well. since i travel for work, this is a problem.

i was informed by a T-Mobile employee that this is a known issue with the first generation of these phones. phones manufactured after June 1st are supposed to have resolved the problem. i am currently waiting for their shipment of these new phones to arrive so that i can get a replacement to see if it truly does resolve the problem.
[HTC Sensation] crunch87:
When I throw my gorilla grip on my sensation (just below the point of annihilation) I have no signal issues. No change.
[HTC Sensation] saganomics:
Maybe only certain sets have the issue, because I haven't faced it at all. I browsed the web using WiFi and had no issues. I have issues with the signal, but that is more due to my service provider and where I work. Otherwise, no dropped calls and surely no deathgrip.
[HTC Sensation] Mo0oSaH:
My Phone has the. Issue. When I hold it with a death grip, I can see my wifi bars going down. I don't know how it affects the practical use and the internet speed.
[HTC Sensation] wideasleep1:
That would be 'signal attenuation' rather than 'death grip'.
[HTC Sensation] Babydollll:
I don't have any signal attenuation on my Sensation. It does not matter how I hold the phone. My phone is dated 6/6/11.

Sent from either my N1, NS, or Sensation4G....
[HTC Sensation] serialtoon:
My first Sensation had the best screen but the worst connection with the death grip. My second handset has the worst screen but the best connection with death grip. Much like ALL android phones, you always have to compromise with some feature/defect.
[HTC Sensation] jasmarie47:
Hey guys, just got my sensation yesterday and started messing with my phone to see if I had the issue....and...Yes i do :(, but not sure if this has been mentioned yet BUT....after finding out that I had the issue I tested it and turned my phone to landscape clockwise instead of counter clockwise (which I'm assuming most of us do) and TAA DAA! No death grip issue! Wifi signal stayed exactly the same and never dropped! Try it and let me know if you get the same results!
[HTC Sensation] downwiththebanksters:
I use my colleagues all the time and I can confirm his has it. We have spotty 3g on out ground floor and both the wifi and 3g take a hit in landscape when I use it. I haven't set best wifi, but I guess I will to see if that improves it.
[HTC Sensation] h3ck:
I've never had a wifi issue or a death grip issue. Maybe I got lucky, however I have read multiple reports about it.

Gotta take it with a grain of salt though because people will take more time to put negative comments than they will to put positive ones.

P.S. I love this sensation. Definitely the best phone I've ever owned and I've been around the block and back with OS/Phones. :-)
[HTC Sensation] idavid_:
Can anyone confirm this?

Swyped from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] tbubba:
I have no death grip issue and I've had my phone for about a month
[HTC Sensation] srt4mn:
I've had 2 sensations now and both have the issue. I'll have full bars for wifi and turn it into landscape and whatever hand is touching the top of the phone, it will basically instantly drop to 1 bar of wifi and then if I continue to hold for longer than 5-6 seconds, wifi will completely drop and I go back on mobile data. I've tried checking the box for better wifi, but no change noticed. Will still drop if I hold it in landscape for 5-10 seconds.

If I use one hand on the bottom of the phone in landscape, the wifi doesn't drop. Very annoying though as I like to browse websites in landscape, but then my wifi always drops if I am not careful. Both phones were manufacturered after June 1, 2011 according to the boxes.

EDIT:

Just took my back cover off and saw there are only 2 pins that touch the metal tabs on the back cover.
[HTC Sensation] swellthekitty:
I've got absolutely no death grip issues on mine. Build date is 6/21 and I can put my hands anywhere without a problem...
[HTC Sensation] Cammiesoul:
I got mine 7/4, and I can't find any way to hold my hands that has any effect on the WiFi whatsoever.
[HTC Sensation] daerl:
Can tell you, having the silicon case on it affects the WiFi. Gonna test on other locations tomorrow, bit here at home upstairs, it will not connect with that cover on..
[HTC Sensation] crevis24:
I was having death grip issues, but then went into tmo and got an updated sim card. Since then, i have had 0 issues. Some of you having issues, try a brand new sim card and see if that helps.

Just a thought.

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[HTC Sensation] ridingonfumes:
Mine has the issue and I just got it last week, it seems the distance from the router makes a bit of difference, in the back house the grip will kill my WiFi all together but in the front house where the router is located the grip just lowers the bars.
[HTC Sensation] zepoind:
Is there any way to determine the date of production without opening the box ?
[HTC Sensation] tsekh501:
Every phone (not just the Sensation) has the "death grip" problem. It basically happens when you "grip" the area which the relevant antenna lies below, and that affects the effectiveness of the antenna.

If you are in an area with very strong signal, "death gripping" the phone won't do much because you are merely reducing the very strong signal to strong signal. It matters when you are in an area with very weak signal, in which case "death gripping" will kill the signal completely. But bear in mind, the signal could be so weak to begin with that even if you are not "death gripping" it, your phone can't do much anyway.

I saw yesterday a youtube video demonstrating the "death grip" problem of the Sensation. Essentially the guy in the video was streaming music from the Sensation to his stereo via bluetooth, and there are TWO WALLS between them. In the video he shows that the music plays fine when he holds it normally, but it stops - the "death grip" problem - when he lays the phone flat in his palm.

Effective demonstration indeed, and it also shows the idiocy of this person.

1 - Why would a normal person prefer to stream music to another room, instead of streaming the music to a stereo set in the room that he is in? Practically I mean. I would hate to be his neighbor.

2 - Why would one prefer to lay the phone flat in his palm, instead of holding it the way it meant to be hold? Does he talk on the phone with it laying flat in his palm? When the death grip problem of the iPhone 4 was raised, people complained because it happens when people are holding the phone normally. But this is just stupid.

If you want to look for problem, you can always find problem. Give me any smartphone and give me 1 week, I will find you the "death grip" that kill it signal. No guarantee that it will indeed be a grip, you probably has to hold the phone with 6 of your fingers, and then with the other 4 touching some other specific spots. The real issue is, does it affect you in a practical way? If yes, return your phone. For me, the Sensation doesn't have the death grip problem in a practical sense.
[HTC Sensation] kankam:
Same here, absolutely no issues with it at all no matter how I hold it.
[HTC Sensation] nailerr:
Rather unfortunately I can kill my wifi, 100%, just touching one finger along the top. Bluetooth too.

Worse yet is I can get voice and data (in a good signal area) if the phone is on a surface, but picking it up, no matter how it is held excepting some skin is on the lower antenna patch, data drops immediately.

Nexus S not showing these problems so I am very certain it is not signal or SIM.

Sent a note to HTC asking if my antennas are broken, because no voice and data in hand is no use to me!
[HTC Sensation] ray12th07:
yup im having same issues here.. just 1 week holding the phone.. any tweak?
[HTC Sensation] i900frenchaddict:
how to tell this again? Locking the topic?

Every Sensation has this death grip for WIFI, all of them, like it was for the iphone 4, it's a problem of conception, and there's only one kind of backcase for the Sensation.

The very few that say they don't have it have an extremly powerful router, or never covered the top of the Sensation when in Wifi, or at least not the required part.

This topic should be locked.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] makavelicruz:
ok guys I need someone's help asap. I can't seem to download anything from market to my phone after I odined kd1 back to my phone. It's freaking annoying and I'm fed up. Not sure what I did wrong, but what could be the problem here????

any help is appreciated thank you.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] danstheman7:
Log out of your Google Account, and are you using WiFi or 4G/3G?
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] boazem:
This is the steps I take

go to setting>applications

I choosed every application and clear the data and cache of every apps that had the option. also at the market apps. and the market updater.

then reboot the device several time after time.

if its not work, try to clean the data and cache from the device via the recovery mode.

I did all the steps above several time until the market start download again

also notice that sometime it a temporry problem with the market service and not a deive issue
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] chadster214:
by any chance are you getting an error mounting cache when you enter recovery?
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] steeleain:
I had a similar issue. Are you running the bali 2.1? If you are try re-flashing the kernal. This worked for me .
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] robbbbit:
F&+$ing melvin!

Try taking out ur sd and putting it back in (thats what she said.)

Sounds stupid... But it works.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] makavelicruz:
Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate all your help. I did all that just to make sure and once I was still in cwm I said screw it let me flash krylon's black ice rom that might fix things. Flashed ext4 converter, then checked mounts, and flashed black ice rom and things began to work lovely with market.

Not sure why it did that when I odined to Kd1. I read online sometimes it happens. I was being trolled by my phone lol. Thanks everyone.
[HTC Sensation] pixel-painter:
1st I am not sure if this has been posted (I haven't seen it) but the info under running apps only shows about 508mb of RAM, and about half of it is used for system and background running apps. The Htc rep told me that the approx 260mb that does not show up, is used for the OS. This means out of the 768,MB of advertised RAM, there is usually not more than about 250-300 mb free to use.

He also told me that not only did other stores start selling the phone early, but so did t-mobile, and that they were not supposed to have put it out for sale until the 3rd week of June.

He said that because of this, many of the htc reps have not properly finished their training on the sensation and although htc usually has about an average of a 10 day from release to first patch, they have been having to scramble because of the premature release.

He confirmed that an unlocked bootloader is coming but would not give any indication of time.
[HTC Sensation] graffixnyc:
I spoke to a tech rep the other day just asking if my warranty would still be valid since it was an import and the last question I asked her was about the bootloader.. she said that there was no word about when an update would come yet. She did say they got the notice that new HTC phones released after the summer will have the unlocked bootloaders. She did say she would assume they would issue some kind of update for the sensation and evo 3d but she didnt know details. She actually joked and said all the techs cringed when they got that notice because they knew it would be a warranty nightmare (translation: all the noobs calling in with bricked phones filing warranty exchanges/repairs) We both agreed it should be a little work to unlock it just so every tom, **** and harry couldnt do it and cause more harm to the device then good.
[HTC Sensation] sk8dayfuknight:
nice, so hopefully an update sometime around the third week of june maybe? hopefully......hopefully
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Is that EXACTLY what she said?
[HTC Sensation] w3by:
We are currently in the 4th week of June...:D
[HTC Sensation] HaydenE:
The rep failed to mention the year... June 2020 :p
[HTC Sensation] graffixnyc:
Not exactly, I omitted that she said it would be after summer in the 3rd quarter. That was exactly what she said. :-P She said thats what the memo she got said. But we all know that can change.. so only time will tell
[HTC Sensation] borodin1:
Absolutely ridiculous. No wonder Rosie has to reload itself every time you exit out of an app.
[HTC Sensation] DeezNotes:
When I ordered my phone over the weekend, the rep I talked to said that his group was trained on the phone the day before release and he was off that day. When he got in the next day (release day), he got tons of calls on the phone and he didn't have proper knowledge of the phone or its capabilities... but he knows it's an awesome phone.
[HTC Sensation] graffixnyc:
seriously ram is not an issue with this phone for me. I have tons of things running and services in the background and I have 236MB of free ram available (according to settings, applications, running)

task manager shows less though and I heard is not as accurate. task manager shows 92mb free watchdog reports 21588kb free

The OS does take up some ram of the 768. You get to use 558mb of that. That's what my system tells me is the total available ram. Honestly my G2X only has 512 and I NEVER have ram issues with that. I think most phones reserve ram for the system. I'll check my g2x to see if the full 512 is available or if the OS takes some up. I always have 85-95mb free on that. Someone said once here on xda If you constantly have around 100mb free when you're doing everything you normally do, it's pretty much wasted ram..

as long as I have 100 mb free or close to that I feel secure :D
[HTC Sensation] poisike:
Some of the RAM is reserved for GPU (not for OS).
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
I forgot about that. Good point
[HTC Sensation] KillaHurtz:
People..........stop with the RAM analysis. Look at the ps3, it only has 256mb RAM and the seperate GPU is also 256mb. We're good.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] 3doncrack:
Well I'm interested in buying one of each of the phones(from a pawn shop) but they are locked to Rogers. I'm new to Android things so I'm not sure if they can be unlocked?

Planning to bring it to South East Asia for my dad.

Is it hard to unlock? Do they do it in shops?
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
i am a dumbass i just got a replacement for my epic through asurion. BRAND NEW phone not a refurb. and guess what i did? forgot to uncheck repartition on odin and BAM insta-perma-fossil bricked! not even a sign of life. so yeah go ahead and call me an idiot!
[Epic 4G General] jarcher1971:
Accidentally did that myself once the night ef02 was leaked. There was someone in noobnl's thread that suggested pulling the sd card and battery and leaving it like that for a bit. I tried that and it worked for me. maybe it will help you too. Good luck and here's to hoping you can revive it.

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[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
yeah im gonna try for that. i hope it works.
[Epic 4G General] steviee7:
And if no asurion gives a year warranty for defection jut cal them and tell them the phone u received doesn't work
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
that was what i had in mind. i just didnt want to get called out by one of those dueschbags who think people that flash their phones are why insurance is so expensive. (seriously anyone who thinks that needs to gtfo of XDA)
[Epic 4G General] steviee7:
yeah well i dont recommend bricking your phone to get a free replacement or anything but you already paid your deductible why not use it lol
[Epic 4G General] rulyskull:
Try battery pull above and try to have battery out and plug phone in to PC and try that...that's what I did thentry with battery in if that disentangle work just try these few ways alot I had to

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[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Wow, I have re-partitioned many times, maybe I should start to worry...

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[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
I did just this morning... Uh oh

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[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
I re-partitioned the other night I got my replacement from my bricked epic and freaked the **** out but everything went fine but I re-flashed to be safe lol
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Lol this is exactly what I did.

I was excited to try out gb leak then... *click* "oh shiii***!..."

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[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
I knew not to do it and I unchecked it then added the rom, and it checked its self again but I didn't notice and then I look at my screen again and in big red letters it said do not check re-partition so I started freaking it was about 3 am so I started cursing myself haha
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
I repartition and update phone bootloader a lot, I screwed up in the middle of the process many times and most of the time these so called "brick" are not bricks, it takes a few try to get into download mode
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Yeah same here way too early to be using odin safely lol

And I don't see how a repartition would brick anyway?

But I'm glad it didn't either way, if anything I kinda felt like it was better afterwards.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
i mightve had the other one checked as well. **** maybe all three of them it changes everytime i start the friggin program i swear! any way im gonna keep trying and if worst comes to worst than ill give asurion a call tomorrow.
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
glad to see im not the only insomniac on these forums, thanks for the tips guys. one question: when you do that does it at least give you the samsung logo? or just nothing like mine?
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
It gives you nothing....I was wondering why it didn't show up....well now I do lol
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
nothing, it was blank till i got it to download mode, it took me a few tries. 1 and power keys

try pushing the 1 at least 10 second before pushing the power key
[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
good then i have hope! X2
[Epic 4G General] Dulanic:
Ummm i have done repartition before and it works fine. It just takes longer to finish. **** i have even pulled out my usb cable mid flash once all i had to do was odin it again.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Funny thing is with 1.81/1.82 it auto checks re-partition when you add anything to phone or PDA...

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[Epic 4G General] tazfanatic:
Have you tried 1.85? I have only used it once to flash ef02plus. So I don't know if it auto checks. I can post link once I get to a computer.

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[Epic 4G General] schnowdapowda:
umm are you saying i'm lying??? lol all jokes aside noobnl is the man i got it to work after leaving it to charge on my computer for awhile then i took the sd out pulled the battery, replaced the battery and held one for 20 seconds and then pressed power and it booted into download. i **** you not.
[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
Troll! Begone! U haz my reason I haz 100$ fine for drop phone!
[Epic 4G General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
For someone who claims to hate trolls, you sure do an awful lot of it.

Even if it is in jest....

Back on topic...

I haven't had any real trouble with odin in a while, but these "bricks", in my experience, are cured by

1. holding power

2. Removing battery while continuing to hold power for 30 seconds or so..

3. Replace battery, and download mode comes up first try, every time.

This phone is almost impossible to brick, but YMMV. Patience young grasshoppers.
[Epic 4G General] cds0699:
Hey man, I don't know if this will solve your problem, but its probably at least worth looking at

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1042746

Edit, nvm I see you got it sorted (missed that post before)
[Epic 4G General] DexterDawg:
You can repartition as long as you have a proper .pit file. At least thats my understanding.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I've messed up doing Odin plenty of times, but not enough (or bad enough) to brick the phone. :p

Sucks that you just got a replacement, I wonder what Sprint will say. "Oh you're back! How's the new phone??!" "Umm an OTA broked it." :P
[Epic 4G General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
Sprint Service Centers should not refuse any repair except for liquid intrusion and excessive cracking of LCD's on the devices with a single LCD/Digi assembly. My SRS and SAR have both given the communication, that Sprint does not have a stance on rooting, they are waiting for a stance from Samsung. Sprint is not as cunning as most of you make them out to be.

So, let me rephrase... If a Service and Repair location refuses to service your device, ask to speak to a manager, and inform him that you will send an email to the regional SAR that his location is refusing to assist a customer within warrantable standards. You're sure to get taken care of then. :)
[Epic 4G General] poit:
Re-partition is OK if you are doing a full ROM install. Problem is, with Gingerbread we are all using Odin to install CWM. If you re-partition when installing CWM the phone is totally wiped by the re-partition, then all you install is CWM. I made the same mistake because loading the pit file turns on re-partition, you have to actually turn it off after loading it. In my case even though the phone seemed dead it would still go into download mode and I could re-odin the ROM. Not sure what's different about your case, I'd suggest you do as noobnl says and remove the battery and SD card for a while, then try to get into download mode again. (hold 1 and then press power button and hold for a few seconds). If you get it into download mode go ahead and re-odin the full ROM right away. Good luck.

I think the PIT file included with the EF02 leak has a different behavior than earlier ones, I don't ever remember re-partition being turned on by loading a PIT file. Several people have been caught by this including me. It really is a bummer.
[Epic 4G General] NEXUS 4G:
So did ur phone come back to life
[Epic 4G General] shiftr182:
I re-partition all the time too! Never had a problem.
[Epic 4G General] crawrj:
LOL same thing happened to me also but it worked fine. I had all three checked.
[Epic 4G General] crawrj:
Does the same thing on 1.85.