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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Way to try and boost your post count. Congrats on posting the most worthless post of the day. You clearly need to look up the word entitlement and educate yourself as to what's entitlement and what's not.

Oh by the way, I just found a website selling the Galaxy Tab 10.1 32 GB models for $529... wanna know the link? Oh, it's on google, or yahoo or somewhere.

The point is when someone asks a question, and you take the time to respond, it's generally the norm that if you're are going to point them in the direction in the name of being helpful, that you indicate a location of a thread.. Saying they thought they saw something, maybe in the xoom, maybe in the transformer thread, that narrows it down to only about 2500 threads. Common sense. If you don't know an answer it's OK to say I DONT KNOW, or say nothing at all.

A smart man keeps his mouth shut when he doesn't know an answer.

EDIT - I just did a review of your last 10 posts. Every one you argue for the sake of arguing, providing zero benefit to any of the 150 conversations you've participated in over the past 4 years.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] dagaetch:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1032381

Took about one minute to find
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Ahh, yes, I've read this post before and was afraid that's what that user was referring to.

Unfortunately the question I asked was not which apps are COMPATIBLE with Android 3.1\Galaxy Tab, but that are in fact optimized for Galaxy Tab.

Sorry I thought I was clear. I understand most apps will run and be compatible with 3.1. but their resolution is poor ... so I was more looking for info as to if there is a thread where someone is keeping track of native tablet apps as they're released.

Thanks!

EDIT: I re-read my OP, and I was clear that I wasn't looking for a "compatible app" list as most apps are in fact compatible, but in fact looking for tablet-optimized\specific apps.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] dagaetch:
if you read that thread, you would see that there is a green asterisk next to all apps that are optimized for tablet viewing. Honestly, someone has to do the work of compiling these lists...if you're unhappy with what's available, create one!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Yeah, was going to create one of the apps as I find them, but no need to reinvent the wheel until I've asked if anyone has already, hehe. :-)

I'll open a thread in the general or apps section under galaxy tab 10.1
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] tlegower:
I had that same question and I wrote to someone at the Android Market and this is the response I got:

"Thank you for your feedback. The ‘Android Apps for Tablets’ section contains featured apps for the tablet. As you’ve mentioned, it isn’t a comprehensive listing of all apps that are designed for your Honeycomb tablet.

If an app is listed in the Android Market accessed from the tablet, the developer of the app has indicated that it is compatible with your device.

I appreciate your feedback regarding the labeling of this section and will forward it to the rest of the Android team."

I had asked about apps optimized for tablets/honeycomb...but regardless of what I asked, the above is the response I got.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
They don't seem to see value in their own new OS. The biggest anti-android tablet marketing tool Apple is using is "look, they don't even have apps for tablet" and when Android hides them or doesn't give option to show they do have tablet-optimized apps, it makes Apple look right.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] goalweiser:
1. First I highly suggest you install AppBrain as you'll get a lot more detail from there about apps. Visit appbrain.com and you will see what I mean. It gives you the links to the Android marketplace so you won't have to install unknown apks.

2. Sorry about the people on the forum. Sometimes people can be testy about newbies and their questions. Feel free to PM me with any questions. It takes a while to get the hang of things but the core Android supporters are pretty good at finding things for themselves. We've had plenty of practice.

3. Don't be afraid to start threads about things like this. Most of us don't pay attention to little things like this. To you, this a big thing and I can see it might turn alot of people away from Android tablets if they don't fix it. Perhaps a petition or thousands of e-mails will get their attention.

4. All of the apps I have installed (152) look great. Which ones are you having problems with? E-mail the developers and let us know as well so we can test them out. If they suck, we could all give the developers some feedback on it.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Oh I completely forgot about Appbrain :-) Thanks And thanks for offering to help. I appreciate it.

There are very few apps that don't work... in fact, I haven't run into any that don't work, I was more asking because for example when comparing an app like Stock Alert - Tablet Edition to an app like Fidelity which doesn't have a tablet app (well they have iPad but not Android 3.1 tab yet), I more meant I just like the ones that are specifically made to take advantage of the tablet's great screen size.

Thanks again, you're class all the way, your response picked me up and made my day. I appreciate it.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
Let's say it this way. If the Android Market doesn't have a up to date tablet/honeycomb section, it is very difficult for developers to develop tablet optimized apps. Because, why investing in this new platform when you get buried between the 400.000 apps currently on the market?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] GuestK003:
It's the first section that's on the market's main page... how is it hard to find or view apps marked as tablet friendly?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] BrandoKC:
I guess it is even harder to comprehend the word "featured"
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Blaine12:
Agreed. When visiting the app store on an iPad, there are two very distinct sections, iPhone apps and iPad apps. Everyone knows that the phone apps will run on the tablet, but that's not a reason to lump them all together.

I think the use case is something like this:

1. I need a nice twitter client.

2. Check tablet section for twitter client.

3. If none found, settle for phone version.

Obviously the tablet version (like Tweetcomb) will use fragments to utilize the screen real estate. A phone client would not. The problem with not seperating the app market properly is that you may end up settling for a Honeycomb "compatible" app when there was a much more useful "designed for Honeycomb" app you didn't notice.

I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like people here are hesitant to accept some of these flaws as they try to justify their $500-$600 purchase. I for one love my Tab, if merely for the widget capability and Flash support. We need to realize that the way to bring Android tablets more mainstream is to take our heads out of the sand, accept that these are real issues, and make it known to the powers at be. Ignoring the problems and pretending that all is well with the Honeycomb ecosystem just won't work.

Edit: If Apple isn't too proud to copy Android's multitasking ability, notification system, etc to make a superior product; Android shouldn't hesitate to do the same where it makes sense. It's just good business, and even better for consumers.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] goalweiser:
Totally agree with you Blaine. There's no reason why they can't use the exact same structure and call it something else. Apple is taking features like BBM and now Google is working on their own. The market is getting better but it should be further along now.

I wonder how we as consumers can get this message across. I try using other App Markets but I would really like the Google Marketplace to get with the program. They should at least require them to put HD in the title or market them with a special color.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
Not here in Europe. There is nothing that even remotely refer to such a category or section.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] goalweiser:
http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/?hl=en_US

We should all e-mail the Android Market support team and tell them of this. I'm going to link to this thread in my correspondence.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
I went there to give feedback and even their feedback link goes broken:

http://support/androidmarket/bin/request.py?contact_type=market_honeycomb

LOL... I'm really questioning the legitimacy of the Google market. I live here in SF and have had several friends go to work for Google, and their hiring process is about the most backwards out there. They don't care about education, which is fine, I'm a believer that someone without a college degree can be just as capable if not more capable given they likely have the on-the-ground-experience to back them up.

However, the problem is Google hires people because their friend refereed them... so they basically have a bunch of people who are just hiring others to fill in positions based on other people's word of mouth. The problem is when you have non-managers making hiring decisions it's a bad thing, and you get workers that aren't a fit for their position, and it goes from being a tech company to being a "dot com startup" atmosphere, and disorganized.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
I agree with your comments for the most part. While the Apple system is very closed and protected, their refined app store is not a result of a closed ecosystem, it's a result of good developers organizing it and keeping it clean. there are more iPhone and iPad apps than Android, so they could have the potential to get lost just like in the Android Market, but they don't because they keep it cleaned and tidy.

With that said, I think Android's primary focus has been having the web based market from day 1, which is a HUUUUGE advantage over Apple's, and one I know Steve-O loses sleep at night over. Not having the binding of iTunes is a great advantage.

Hopefully Android kicks it into high gear and makes a tablet section. "featured" to me means "expensive that are willing to pay for the ad exposure" and nothing more, lol. They need just a third tab. Phone Apps, Books, Movies, Tablet apps. Simple as that.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Berner:
Google's plan is to converge their operating systems, hopefully starting with Ice Cream. Do you seriously think they would make a change to the Market to emphasize the divergence (i.e., fragmentation) that currently exists?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
It's generally accepted that the best way to do business is "Do what'll generate the revenue today, while planning for the future" ... imagine if apple had waited to release the iPhone until they had copy and paste, or carrier MMS enabled. Someone would have beaten them to the plate with a cool phone, and they'd never have the marketshare they have today.

With that said, I understand the long term evolution is a converged OS, but it's not the reality today. And are you going to tell someone who just spent $600 on a tab that they have to sort through unlabeled, uncatagorized apps, or tolerate the app looking like crap on their tablet? Their return rate will be very high.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Berner:
Their return rate will be very high? Give me a break....

The average consumer wants a tablet to check email, browse a few sites, and play Angry Birds. The average consumer outnumbers people like you 10,000 - 1. The average consumer isn't going to return their shiny new toy just because the Market doesn't have hard segregation of app categories.

Stated another way: are you returning your Tab due to your strongly-held displeasure with the Market layout? I kinda doubt it....
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Are you kidding me? You REALLY need to get a fuc#$in clue dude. Are you that out of touch with reality?

The sole reason Apple has been successful is because a tablet user is EXACTLY what you said they are... "The average consumer wants a tablet to check email, browse a few sites, and play Angry Birds." ... and that user wants to be able to find their app with as little effort as possible.

If you're defending the scattered way the tablet apps are organized, you obviously work for Google, because end users, and developers alike agree that the Market is disorganized.

Not sure why you'd say that I'm the abnorm and then basically state that what I want is what everyone wants... makes no sense.

You really need to get in touch with reality, because your comment makes no sense. many people getting the tablet for the first time have come from an iPad, like me, only to say wow, this market is cool, but disorganized. For me it's not a huge deal because I know and understand it's new, but think of an iPhone user or a iPad user, coming over for the first time, trying to dig for apps that are tablet specific.

Clearly you're not in marketing or user experience development.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] :
http://screencast.com/t/grmEslbBNCu

http://screencast.com/t/CXfkpFqG
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
You do understand what "Featured" means right?

You develop an app, and you want people to know about it. You pay Google 2x the normal sales commission per app, and they put you in the "featured" section of the app market.

You do realize that the lawyer on the cover of the phone book isn't there because he's the best lawyer or has the most satisfied customers, right? He's there because he paid to be there.

And 800-Dentist ... they only list the 5% of dentists willing to be paid advertisers. If you call and ask about your dentist, they'll likely have no info because MOST dentists don't pay to try and gain market share.

I think you're confusing this for a Tablet App Directory. Just like on iTunes, they have Featured iPad apps (the sponsors), and iPad Apps. the only thing Google needs now is the "Tab Apps" section.

People, stop posting the info on the Featured Tablet apps Page. Clearly if you're pointing this out you don't understand the concept of featured and how they get there.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Blaine12:
Berner, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that they should do it, but they won't due to the effort involved? I haven't heard anyone say that it's a bad idea, just that Google doesn't need to do it for Honeycomb to be great.

That's the fanboy mentality I'm talking about right there. We've established that it would be easier for users. We've established that it would be nice if they did it. That should be the end of the conversation. Any argument beyond that is just being apologistic...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] :
I think featured in this case means something more like being tablet compatible is a feature. Not like Today's top app. Take a step to the side and look at it more like Google is trying to feature all the apps that are tablet compatible to show that they have apps that are made for tablets.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Yep. I got kicked off the Apple forums because I told a user he was delusional to think that if Apple kept the "our way or no way" mentality that their hold on the market will erode quickly. LOL. When fanboys defend their preference it's funny.

You'd be amazed how different things look when you're not looking through the goggles of bias. Try it sometime :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Blaine12:
I don't think that's accurate, as there are dozens of apps designed for Honeycomb that are nowhere to be found in the featured section.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
I disagree. Featured and Featured tablet apps are the paid sponsors on the Handheld and Tablet side. the "Featured Tablet Apps" only comes up once you've had a tablet registered on your account.

It's widely known that the "Featured" are the sponsored apps for the phones, and now they added a "Featured Tablet apps" right next to it. Not sure what more evidence you need to show my case.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] :
No need to argue. If you're really upset with the way it is. Email Google support. It takes the developers to mark an application as tablet compatible. I'm sure you will start to see more and more apps in the tablet section. Android tablets are still pretty new. The Apple market has some time on the Android market.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Exactly, for those of us who have been in the Android Market and Apple App Market long enough, the apps who are willing to sponsor themselves into popularity are always the same, agnostic of the market, haha. We can recognize them like a sore thumb.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Not arguing, just throwing out my opinion. As I stated it's not a huge issue for me, because the members in forums like this are great at hilighting good tablet apps, but I'm more concerned for the general population of newbies to Android, who might find it difficult to navigate after coming from iWorld. hehe.

It's a compliment to us that we know how to use it... but remember iAnything plays to the dumb 5 year olds and 95 year olds who need everything presented to them with a bow. However, for the greater good of Android, we need those users to feel comfortable too. And I'll admit, sometimes I want to be able to click "Show me all android-tablet-designed apps only" and have the list come up so i can blindly mash my thumb against the screen to buy one, haha.

And I did try to contact google, but their moron website admins have broken links in the contact us section. Try the link someone posted a few up, and see if you can contact them without broken linkage, hahaha.... dohhh.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Berner:
No I'm not really saying that they should or shouldn't do it -- I'm explaining at least one reason why they might not do it, i.e., that it's inconsistent with their long-term product strategy.

Another reason is that if all the tablet apps were segregated in the Market, then Apple fanboys (and marketing executives) would use the app count as evidence of how far ahead Apple's tablet development is currently. We all know that Apple has a head start in tablet app development -- Google has no need to give that argument further backing with statistical support.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Berner:
Thanks for this. It explains a lot about how you view your role in an online user community, and validates my opinion of you based on your posts in this community.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] goalweiser:
Actually yes. He's right. There's only 96 apps and they're under the "FEATURED TABLET APPS" section which is just plain stupid. I checked both online and on my tablet.

And what about all the ones that have been optimized but are not just tablet apps. They add little notes in the descriptions but what about when we're just searching. Why isn't there an option to search specifically for tablet compatible apps? Why can't they just stick a little Tablet icon or perhaps a special icon to help us sort through the clutter currently.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Good to know your perspective and response to mine. Nice to know in all o your time here through all of your 44 posts. I'm glad you're not impressed, heh
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
"Because it's not where they want to be in 2015" lol.. what a copout logic.

Anyhow, I'm guessing the reason they didn't initially do it was because if they did a filter by optimized, it'd reveal there were only a couple apps optimized for tablet. But now we're to the point where it's no longer a scab on the market.... so hopefully google will make that filter.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Blaine12:
Just finished emailing the Market support team. Thought I'd post the response here.

Me: I just wanted to provide some feedback on my experience

with Android Market on my Honeycomb Tablet. I would love to see a dedicated section with all the apps designed for Honeycomb. I don't mean

"featured", I mean "all". It's quite annoying to wade through all the phone apps to find the one that will take advantage of my nice 10.1" screen. Link to

XDA thread on this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1135925

"James": Hi,

Thanks for contacting the Android Market Team. We appreciate all the

feedback we get from our users. There's an easy way to see all the apps

available for your tablet.

Select the Android Market app on your device. Market on your device is set

up with a filter. The filter prevents you from seeing any apps that aren't

compatible with your tablet. This is where you'll see all the apps

available for you.

If I can assist you further with questions about Android Market, please

let me know.

Me: Thanks for the quick reply James. What I'm looking for isn't a list of "compatible" apps. I know that the vast majority of Android apps are "compatible" with Honeycomb. I'm talking about being able to see apps that were designed for Honeycomb, and only Honeycomb. Apps that do something my phone can't do. Apps that utilize the new fragment API and utilize the screen real estate. That is not currently available as far as I know.

"James": Hi Blaine,

Thanks for getting back to me. You are correct, that isn't an option right

now, but I think it's a good idea. I will let the rest of the Android

Market Team know about this. Several ideas that we implement to make

Android Market better come from our users like you.

If you have any further questions or concerns about Android Market, please

let me know.

Me: Thanks!

Looks like they realize it's an issue, or are starting to at least.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Nice job clarifying to correct his canned responses. Thanks for representing us. :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] Berner:
Call me cynical, but that looks like Generic Customer Support Response #4. Control-C, Control-V. ;)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
That whole conversation was canned, haha.

Should have asked what the weather was like where they were. When Samsung started reading me canned responses I asked where they were, and they said Plano, TX, and i asked what the weather was like and they said "It's summer in the US. Hot." ... what a random way to respond. And I said "really humid, huh?" and they said yes very (cause it's always 99% humidity in Manila)... then I looked up the humidity in Plano... 19%, hahahaha
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] xManMythLegend:
Lol This thread is funny.

B t w agree totally on the market.. not having a tablet section... and still being unable to leave feedback are 2 major no nos.

Also I didn't post link to thread because the commercial was over :-). I thought it would be easy enough just to search for it. Glad I didn't though this has turned into an entertaining broohaha.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] FrezoreR:
I concur, the featured tablet apps does not seem to show all of them.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] elingreen:
just search for "honeycomb", there over 700 apps that come back. of those i found a couple dozen that were not on the featured list and are optimized for tablets. took about 30 minutes to scan through them, not that painful to do until google gets its act together.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] bella92108:
Yeah because anyone can put honeycomb into the keywords to try and take advantage of people doing what they think will return apps designed for honeycomb, however they return results of apps compatible with honeycomb.

I thought going from iPad to Android would bring a more intellectual group of people, but it really seems like people are struggling to comprehend the difference between tablet COMPATIBLE and tablet OPTIMIZED. We're all looking for apps specifically designed to take advantage of the tablet's screen size, not just apps that are compatible. Almost any android app is COMPATIBLE, it just looks like garbage on the huge screen until it's been OPTIMIZED for the screen size.