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[EVO 4G General] 1Brite1:
Thank you! That seems to be the biggest problem. No actual reads the post. I appreciate that you did and didn't just start off with accusations. You hit the nail on the head. Yes, I did tether, but I actually paid for it. What I am trying to figure out, since my connection was secured, what would cause it to use that much data?

I have never, ever downloaded a movie. I have never used any kind of torrent. The only thing I do, like right now, is typing on my Macbook while it is tethered using the Hot Spot. My other iMac, I go over once a day-check for anti-virus update or Mac software update. Then, that computer is never touched again. The Windows computers running Ubuntu-I check usually once a week. That is my Dad's computer. He rarely uses it.

So, that just leaves my actual EVO and then my Macbook. I only surf XDA all day long or Android Central. Check my four email accounts. Check out Yahoo news. Then, when I was really into downloading new roms, I would do that. So, maybe in a good month for the DEVS, about max 10 roms per month. Would that ever equal to(and this is the main point-my maximum usage of 45GBs in one month? Oh, and I do use the navigation about 4 times a month.

What would you have to be downloading to get that type of usage? That is what I don't get. And, instead of blaming me, accusing me, making me look like a liar, no one can offer assistance or an explanation. I really don't think it is possible for someone to be able to using my account by hijacking it. I live in the country-1.5 miles from town. There is NO DSL, nothing. Not available. So, yes, I use Sprint as my sole Internet Access for my Macbook. Yes, I am paying for the tethering. Yes, Sprint still is cutting my services.

I was told I am considered a Super Data User. It doesn't matter if I am roaming or not. It is too much for Sprint and it costs them too much money, even when not roaming. It does not matter. I just can't figure out how I could be pulling that much data? AND, why would I ask THEM about? It wouldn't make any sense for ME to be asking them from the first month since I have had the EVO. I brought it to THEIR attention. THEY told me NOT to worry about it as the EVO has UNLIMITED usage-whether ROAMING or NOT-I brought it to THEIR attention that I KNEW that wasn't true with the ROAMING part, thus, the reason why I was calling THEM.

I hope that clears up some of this.
[EVO 4G General] Arbron:
Did you do any Mac OS updates? Stream any hulu/netflix/YouTube in hd? Stream Pandora or similiar 12 hours a day? Watch any porn? Play online games? Video chat? Upload photos/videos to YouTube/Facebook/Flickr? Download music, even from something like itunes or amazon app store? Watch any news stories on yahoo or elsewhere?

I mean it could be the everyday things that you don't even think of, or background services from apps you've installed, or a crappy Rom. Not from an xda dev of course.

As for the "unlimited" part your contract states that 3G data is actually limited to 5GB per month and 4G is currently uncapped.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
By the way, in regards to the rooting talk:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1138067
[EVO 4G General] filebug:
i pay for the line so i can use it as i see fit. if it isn't unlimited then don't advertise it as unlimited. I had cable lines but figured it was a waste of money when im paying sprint for thier premium unlimited internet
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Oh! Oh yes! This! Lets do this again! Do it! Have this argument again! Do it! It has been TOO LONG since the last time we had this fight! DO IT NOW! You guys get started, I'll take off my pants and get the pudding.
[EVO 4G General] sah0724:
I'm not gonna bother I have Morbihan against you and forgive me for being Blunt but some of you guys just take advantage and I see no reason to even use over 5th gigs and month on a cell phone data plan. I mean the freaking library has good wifi, stsrbucks and other places I think that's just taking advantage but it's my personal opinion.
[EVO 4G General] someonenewhere:
Looks like you was doing more than just tethering your ass off...

were you seeding torrents? if so, there you go..
[EVO 4G General] Mikee4fun:
XHausx, if you are roaming on Sprint can you even get 3G data or is it 1x? All I ever get is 1x when I roam. If this OP was excessively roaming on 1x and consumed 45GB of data that is truly sad...
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
Sprint clearly states that only 300kb of data roaming is allowed. Clearly you were going over this limit. That is why you were cancelled. Nothing more nothing less. Be happy now you can go to a carrier where you will have coverage. End of story no need to spread panic.
[EVO 4G General] :
My statement was to those who said he was doing all of this illegally...
[EVO 4G General] :
Ok rooting doesn't matter yes sprint gets pings on our phones for versions and stuff and as an Ubuntu user look up backtrack all open source all hacking all the time encryption means nothing for the right person also computers constantly send and receive data so your roaming was the issue sprint in my town knows I'm rooted they don't care they still help me out hell half of them rooted lol
[EVO 4G General] garciajose8:
This is why i went to BoostMobile. I am on tour a lot and use my phone for internet and share it with the rest of the band members. For 3 months straight, i was going anywhere from 6-8 GB.

My phone was rooted but i never used the hotspot app. When I send my phone in for repair, the sprint rep. told me if i had my wifi on all the time. I pretended that i did not know what she was talking about.

So they added the HotSpot fee to my bill "with out my permission". So i complained too many times to any supervisor they put on the line. At the end, they waved the ETF, plus they game me a free month of service because the rep did something she wasn't suppose to do.

The wife stayed with print, and i ported my Evo to Boost. Not getting the same speed, but i haven't been told anything about my excessive usage.
[EVO 4G General] cwbristow@cox.net:
A couple more things that don't add up.

On my phone, wireless tether shows realtime up/down useage,

OP presents himself as not a noob, but over several months cannot ID origin of data use?

Aren't there several ways for a non-noob Evo owner/network operator to track network data use and flow?

How could a non-noob Evo owner, who is interested, not know where/when/how much data is flowing thru his phone at any one time.

There are other conflicts which my brain is now too tired to list, but these seem pretty basic.

This really sounds like a disgruntled WILDLY EXCESS ROAMING DATA user getting the boot trying to scare other user with tale of gore.

There are posts, dating back to before I joined, on every forum I have been on detailing the resulting boot of 'excess ROAM data' users.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Sure can, and Sprint wont hesitate to give you the boot for it either. Some like to force their phone to roam on Verizons 3G network for better speeds, but that roaming costs Sprint money. Especially if your not even supposed to connect to the tower to begin with.

In an interview a few months back Dan Hesse said a third of Sprints operating costs is from people roaming on other carrier's networks.
[EVO 4G General] cwbristow@cox.net:
And with all the threads everywhere about PRL hacks and the resulting boots,

How can anyone believe any of your story.

You rooted, flashed multiple roms, ruu, have how many xda posts on your xda account,

and you believe sprint phone reps.

Your statements evidence your lack of noobness,

You are a very experienced user,

how can you pretend to not know what's going on,

Or pretend that you were blindsided.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
btw, if you are using a verizon prl I'm pretty sure your phone thinks youre not roaming but it will show up on your bill as such. This sounds exactly like what you describe in your first post.

Edit: even though you say you were never roaming and then say you actually were in the next paragraph.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Sprint's gonna be appalled when they see the porn I stream over Wifi.
[EVO 4G General] fadimo305:
Lets face it and you accept it, you sir made our data speeds drop ;) and that with the surveillance technology in todays society we will always be monitored and that will include our phones.45GB is alot of data unlimited means no restrictions but damn I would boot you from my network if I saw that usage because of the costs of operating and also if you are continously streaming.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Spreading false rumors is bad.
[EVO 4G General] jesusprice:
This has been entertaining.

Thank you to the guy who started this thread. Wow this made my morning
[EVO 4G General] dsf3g:
I can't see how you could possibly have been pulling down 45GB before you were rooted and before you were using the Hotspot feature. Only thing I can think of is that a neighbor cloned your ESN and was stealing data. But I don't know if that's even possible.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Quoted for those who want to read it twice..

seriously bro, cool story and all but it's time to get a clue..
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
You gave your own answer. You don't need us.

Have Sprint provide you with a detailed list of your network usage. You say they can do it, make them prove it.
[EVO 4G General] mxmarcus:
Thanks!

I just have to keep an eye on my usage and use Wi-Fi at home
[EVO 4G General] robnelle:
Note to the OP: I think a big reason why you are seeing so much resistance to your story is because you have not provided any actual proof to back up what you are saying. Please understand that most people do not feel it is wise to believe whatever they read on the internet and most intelligent people will need you to provide some form of concrete evidence that supports your claims, regardless of your intent. There is just too much bullcrap being moved around the internet for people to just take your word for it, no matter how much verbal detail you provide.

You keep referencing this letter you received. Did the letter itself actually say that you were being dropped for rooting and did it actually say that Sprint was spying on you? Your description of the letter is not really clear on that point. If you have this letter or any supporting documentation to your claims, perhaps it may be helpful to the rest of the community if you scan and post the documentation you received from Sprint that states all of this. Otherwise, you will get no real support and your message will not really be heard.

I mean no disrespect by this message, but when someone comes onto the forum with as fantastic a claim as you present here, people will have a hard time believing it without proof. That's one of the longest running and true meme's on the internet: "Pics or it didn't happen".
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I work for Sprint. You lied.

/thread
[EVO 4G General] Mikee4fun:
Pics or it didn't happen. Hahahaha Post your letter and then we will go from there!
[EVO 4G General] cwbeasley:
Jesus...

Excessive roaming is only classified as this: if 50% or more of the TOTAL data used in a single billing cycle is on a roaming tower, it's considered excessive. If this happens 3 or more times within a 6 month rolling time, the system (it's automated, we can't monitor it) will send out a form letter that says, hey, we are terminating your service for violating TOS on data.

Having said that, use your head in calculating 50%. I've seen people use less than 50MB get canned. Why? Because the system says 50% is 50%, that's it. No one gets canned for using too much data.

The idea behind it, as far as we were explained, is that the other carrier bills sprint for the data used on their tower, but sprint doesn't bill the end user, making sprint absorb the cost of non revenue generating data usage.

On the flipside, because of what I do at my house, I can use upwards of 70GB to 90GB of data per month, consistently, never have gotten a warning letter about it.

This guy getting cancelled for excessive roaming and saying he didn't roam, or because he used "too much data" AND that sprint can track website usage? I gotta call him out on that.
[EVO 4G General] Evo4eva:
Seriously all of this can be summed up in one or two paragraphs. You don't have to write a book to respond to someone's post. Look dude you got bsed by sprint and they are cancelling you for excessive data usage, get over it and move on with your life.
[EVO 4G General] mevensen:
OP,

So, I don't know if you ever responded, did you use a different PRL to boost "roaming" speeds? Even once, if you didn't reset it, you would still have that profile.

No torrents? None?

Have you checked your phone for malware? You said your computers were protected, but never mentioned your phone. If you're using a lot of root access or non-market apps, who knows what you might have on your phone?

You have security enabled on HotSpot, but what password (I'm not really asking for yours)? The standard password is kind of lame and tends to reset itself between activations, as you might know.

Overall, sound like you'd be better off with another carrier, anyways. If my home was in a place where Sprint could not get me good signal for over a year, I'd have opted out.

But seriously, 20-45 GB and you have no idea where it's coming from? ROMs are tiny, you'd have to DL 10 big ones (sense 3.0 type) to even make a dent toward that number.

Have you tried tight control of your hotspot? i.e. only on when you need it, reduce number of allowed connections, use a different ID and password each day?

There's something missing that either you don't know or you're not admitting to.
[EVO 4G General] subprime:
Sounds like Sprint should focus on expanding their network!
[EVO 4G General] Hamspiced:
If you read the first post, it mentions a tower being down.

Op mentioned he lives in michigan.

I too live in michigan, and i am assuming very close to OP. There is a tower thats down in Taylor Michigan, which services Taylor, Southgate, Allen Park, and romulus. Ill tell you what, for the past 3 months, my service has been terrible. 1 bar of service, 3g is non-existant, and i can understand how he could easily go into roaming with the signal quality as bad as it is.

I run the newest version of fresh, the correct PRI PRL and Radios, and i dont tamper with anything crazy like hopping on verizon's towers.

So i read OP's ridiculous long post and all 14 pages... Decide to check my account..

Text

1,139 / Unlimited

Anytime Minutes

102 / 3,000

Sprint 3G Data

38,681,928KB / Unlimited

See details

1 GB = 1,048,576 KB

1 MB = 1,024 KB

Seriously?? 38 gigs of data use? No. Not possible. I dont tether, i use the internet very sparingly, i dont even use the facebook app. I have no syncing widgets on my homescreen, i even run Launcher pro with just minimalistic text.

I have the paid version of Autostarts and kill any stupid app thats running in the background after the phone boots. I have never used the netflix app, hulu app, and i used the youtube app once about a month ago. How am I at 38gigs?

Something is fishy here, I always have wifi on, and when im at home or the office i use wifi for everything. Which consists of google searches from time to time.

I guess i cant complain though. My plan is pretty solid :)

Monthly plan cost

$20.00

Change my services

Change my plan

Analyze my plan

Plan details

$20 Monthly Charge

3000 Anytime Minutes

Nationwide Long Distance Included

America - Roaming Included

Caller ID

Call Waiting

Unlimited SMS Text Messaging

Unlimited Picture Mail

Unlimited Data Usage

Sprint Data

Caller ID

Call Waiting

Three-Way Calling

Voicemail
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
What about Roaming Data use?
[EVO 4G General] Hamspiced:
Included	Used	Charges

(734) xxx-xxxx

Anytime Minutes	3,000	333	--

Text	Unlimited	1,732	--

Mobile-2-Mobile	Unlimited	204	--

Night & Weekend	Unlimited	225	--

Picture Mail	Unlimited	8	--

Sprint Data	Unlimited	38,681,890	--

Sprint Data Roaming	Unlimited	42	-
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
I would edit out your number, unless you want bots and crazy XDA people calling ya. :-)

Hey Brite1, what does yours looks like?
[EVO 4G General] Hamspiced:
caught me quicker then the edit button. Anyways, so i called about all this crap. sprint was very kind given the tower and poor 3g speeds. gave me 100 free anytime minutes.... i never come close to going over my minutes.. ah well.
[EVO 4G General] brad65807:
I can see where the reps would say that "we see you are having poor data speeds" or "poor call quality", etc... Service Trender would show this information to them. But i am not sure where the info for sites visiting would come from. Possibly the AAA tool?? I just looked at my account and it is totally the opposite. it shows i have used a little over a meg of data and i know that is wrong. And it shows i have used 0 of roaming data (althought i get unlimited roaming data as well) and i know i used some in the past few weeks.
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
2,143,114KB / Unlimited

My data counter widget shows I used about 1.9 gigs in the same time. Interesting. At least mine is close.
[EVO 4G General] CDKJudoka:
I checked mine and I was at 108MB before I got my Evo (4 Days into the billing cycle) and 185mb from the 17th til now. I stream Pandora all day long at work on my phone, have 2 email addresses and GTalk going 24/7. I wonder how high I can go.
[EVO 4G General] mevensen:
Just out of curiosity, what does your battery usage look like? If I were using 38 GB of data each month, I can't believe that my battery would be lasting very long each day. Unless this is something that is happening only at night, while on charger.
[EVO 4G General] slipshft:
I am surprised that this post is still alive... hey! Look at that dead horse!
[EVO 4G General] Schlenkerla:
Maybe the moral of this story is set your roaming to sprint only. If you need to improve the signal change it to automatic, temporarily and watch your roaming usage.

I wonder if the op has apps that are constantly updating. Another idea its to limit how often the phone updates.

I will add a link in my next post. Its a Good and Evo article on settings to improve battery life. One of twenty if not more is relevant to the op problem.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
The moral of the story is to not abuse your internet connection.

45GB of usage on a constant basis is nonsense.

It's called personal responsibility.

It's just like freedom of speech, yes you have the right to say anything you want, doesn't mean you should.
[EVO 4G General] Schlenkerla:
See ideas; 4, 5, 9, 10 & 15

.goodandevo.net/2010/05/20-tips-to-improve-htc-evo-4g-battery-life.

I cant put the propper "stuff" before and after this do to being a noob.

Hope this helps.
[EVO 4G General] Schlenkerla:
Add the following: http 3 w's and html at the end.
[EVO 4G General] 1Brite1:
FINALLY! You are exactly right! That is exactly what I have been trying to tell Sprint and my fellow members! Ever since I had Sprint I have have totals like you and it doesn't make sense! Now maybe people will believe that it can and does happen.

To answer some more questions-Yes, I did a long time ago try a Verizon PRL and have used roms that say that they took out the "throttle".

I have used Lookout security. However, not sure if this is related, but I just signed up for the Premium service and have been trying to trouble shoot with them because they can't get it to connect with their side. I have been trouble shooting with them and they asked if my phone was or had been rooted.

They finally credited my account as they couldn't figure out what was going on with them not being able to communicate with my EVO.
[EVO 4G General] 1Brite1:
Minutes

Anytime Minutes

Used

25 / 450 Included

5.555555555555555%

Remaining

425

Any Mobile, Anytime

Used

390 / Unlimited

Remaining

Unlimited

Bonus Anytime

Used

100 / 360 Included

27.77777777777778%

Remaining

260

Night & Weekend

Used

59 / Unlimited

Remaining

Unlimited

See call log

Close

Messaging

Text

Used

26 / Unlimited

Remaining

Unlimited

Close

Data/Others

Picture Mail

Used

2 / Unlimited

Remaining

Unlimited

Sprint 3G Data

Used

13,657,434KB / Unlimited

Remaining

Unlimited

Sprint 3G Data Roaming

Used

9,364KB / Unlimited

Remaining

Unlimited

Close

Key:

1MB = 1,024KB

1GB = 1,024MB or 1,048,576KB

The "minutes" category is based on the call start time, even if the call continues into another category.

Your actual usage may vary based on:

Recent usage

Shared minutes, mobile to mobile calls, roaming calls or data

If you haven't received your first bill yet
[EVO 4G General] Tekn010933:
My First Evo must've rooted it...lost count, rom flashing...hmmm lost count too!! Ok, someone wants it, said wait..returned it to stock and activated(again) and umm rooted again for the new owner with CM7 just because overclocking.

There is an oppurtunity here for evry device owner to really free everyone from all this bull$*%&%&! and have XDA sitting in the skies?? The maker(H) does not worry who get's to sell his product, but who has the tools and the core to run it. No matter he still get's paid with 2 or 10 diffrent carriers, but what if there was an open source carrier that free's us from all this. It just has to start somewhere...

With close to 10,000 views on your post, we cannot hear you in L.A, your going to have to speak up louder?!! You know what I mean? Send this post to the wright ears?? Ummm not going to say who but we are here on a puplic forum ran by people who almost millions watch everyday?? a Network T^ Show too!! and was it millions of members?

Yes, your service provider might have a big play on how you're feeling and going through today. But I do beleive that since your a Senior member and your profile not friends with not one person on here, is not a good look for you either. But just coming in fresh on XDA as a Junior member I myself can only think, "what would I do if it was ME?"

I read all the way til' it got to me, some humor in the replies and totally understandable, but the big picture and what your situation is "YOU HAVE 12 DAYS TO GO!"

Some replies may talk about what the past and major corp's with legality battles, it only confuses the mind eventually will have you loosing focus. Time to get busier then you already are, little amount of time get to the top as quick as you can with them involved not only we can hear it, but have vision on it too.

The true fact here is they will give you "The Boot" here for this and not loose sleep over you, but thats just showing you what they see on there end. And you have not said anything yet!(Legal Team) Registered everything from what so ever on your name, but is there a physical view of you pushing the buttons to have ran so much on downloading? For all we know could've been your cat/dog/mouse/earthquake could've started the Transmission!

I do not know this site really well but if you see my profile and who I had decide to add first as a friend kinda explains it? Go to the top cause it's louder there and we here in L.A should hear and see you better, cause if we can hear it!... that means all the states from here to yours should be listening in too! And that's how we ROLL! Deeeep!! Good luck friend hate to see a "SENIOR" member leave or disconnect but life is what we make off, peace!!
[EVO 4G General] 1Brite1:
Could this be the cause? I have always wondered if this would affect my data. I always have my settings in the Hot Spot Power Mode turned from the default of "Disable after 10 mins. of inactivity" to "Always on"?