yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Interesting and interestinger!

What gets installed to the /data/data directory are the flash player libraries included in the .apk. This isn't that interesting. This is where they would go if you wanted the system to be able to use them.

What is interesting is that these files are deleted when you uninstall the Flash Player. Nothing is left behind when you uninstall the Flash Player. So if you install an old version, then reinstall the newest - you accomplish nothing. Once you install the old version, you can try updating via the market and as it turns out - this updates the files to the latest versions and yet you're correct, hardware acceleration seems to work fine still.

So to summarize, install old version, update to new version. All files are overwritten, nothing is left behind, but it works right for some stupid god-awful reason that doesn't make any sense.

There you have it folks.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
would somebody please post link to teh hulu version taht is working for them, I've installed 2 from teh hulu thread and nether seem o make any difference.

Could you please post link to the one tahts working with hardware acceleration :D

Thank You!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1164948

In the OP. For best results, reboot after uninstalling (preferably via ADB or in settings) and reboot again after installing the new version before testing.

You know it's taken if you can play http://www.youtube.com/my_speed in 720p and video fps shows something around 30 fps. You will drop frames and stage fps will be low and it will say software decoding. This is all normal. What is important is video fps is around 30.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Gutted, tried the above suggestions and I still don't get decent fps in sd let alone hd :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] droid_does:
Works for me

everything as said above

Sent from my Prime'd TF101 from the far reaches of space
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerrykur:
Is it possible there are hidden files?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] droid_does:
quick question

as I 've said above, the hulufied version is working 30FPS smoothly on 720p for me

but.....android market jsut notified me that there's an update for flash 10.3....should I update or not? (using the hulufied version)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sontin:
you can update to the latest version. I did the same and have no problem.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gwai_jai:
I tried updating using the Hulufied version but it kept saying install failed so i uninstalled the Hulufied version and install the one from Market and I'm still getting 30fps on 720p.

Hope this helps..:)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Not where I was looking. But who knows, maybe something else gets left behind that I'm not aware of. I'm still sleuthing.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Landroid:
i get 30+ fps watching the test video mentioned at page 1, however the eee pad is very coppy while typing into text fields in the browser like the answer field im typing into right now :O
[Eee Pad Transformer General] aussiebum:
turning off opengl rendering in the stock browser (assume that's what you're using) via typing in about:debug into the URL bar then going to Settings page helps apparently.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Landroid:
Typing is great now but the browser is stuttering like the browser on a g1... ;) i will better turn it back on again :D

Bte. From where do you hav an euro galaxy tab? I want one too ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Jo...:
But when you do that, you can't play flash anymore. And it doesn't fix the input lag completely, it's still there, especially if you type fast.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
For anybody struggling to get the 30fps fix working, i eventually got things going from the link within http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1164908

All I did was uninstall standard, install the one linked in that tread, then go to browser to test, unistalled then reinstalled original. 30fps at 720p but more importantly, a much better picture quality at standard resolution too.

Job done!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Just realised that Evan 1080p works well to!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dkj7777:
On my iconia tab I have perfect 720p playback but choppy 1080p playback
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Grrr..... I had to clear the cache and data for my browser and it some how had an effect on flash. Now it doesn't work again :(

It doesn't work ding the hulu install now either :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
^X2 I Cleared my cache now it doesn't work anymore
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Glad I'm not teh only One who did It!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] NeoStuey:
If you're rooted you could try this but I can't guarantee anything as these are files I pulled from the first Nandroid I made after rooting my transformer at the beginning of June when it was still on 3.01 and my flash playback was fine.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29251275/com.adobe.flashplayer.zip

Just place them here using root explorer or other file explorer

after

installing flash player:

/data/data/com.adobe.flashplayer/lib

My speed test on Youtube = 30+fps afterwards and all other flash videos on Youtube 720p have played fine.

Be interesting to see if this works for anyone else as it sorted out my problems especially as installing and uninstalling flash player and clearing caches did nothing to fix the issue on my transformer.

If after installing these files you do clear the browser cache at some point in the future for whatever reason and your flash playback bombs just restart your TF and it should return to normal. I just tested this and observed this happen on mine and I am currently playing back the my speed test video at 30fps+.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
sad to say taht didn't work either for me :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] NeoStuey:
I'm sorry that didn't work. One other thing that did occur to me is that I may have originally deleted the com.abode.flashplayer folder with it's contents found here:

/data/data/com.android.browser/app_plugins

as well. Might be best that you back them up before deleting them just in case.

Outside of that I don't know what else to suggest as that would be everything I did to get it working on mine.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
I,dont see the folder on mine
[Eee Pad Transformer General] NeoStuey:
Oh, and just to go back to the first try you did copy the files over after installing flash player, cleared broswer cache and then rebooted?

It's just that I did that when I posted and checked it worked and can't explain why it won't now work for you.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
I did it several times it doesnt work i was able to view espn videos now i cant
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
I uninstalled the market version then installed the one from op then uninstalled it then reinstalled market version it doesn't work
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
I think the automatic restore in settins has something to do with it im gonna test it
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
Confirmed unchecking automatic restore in setting fixes
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
Espn now works
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
Can you give details on how to get to that setting so others can try it who have the same issue please.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eep2378:
Damn guys, I was all set to pick up my transformer today but all this flash talk has me reconsidering the Gtab.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
I have a gtab also but i like the transformer better
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
I downloaded flash hulu 7 apk

Uninstalled the market version

Installed the hulu version

Uninstalled the hulu version

Reinstalled market version

Reboot

B4 i did all this i went into settings and unchecked automatic restore

In the privacy settings
[Eee Pad Transformer General] NeoStuey:
Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons I've always had that set on and since fixing flash a couple weeks ago I haven't had any more issues.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] NeoStuey:
Ah, just seen what you were getting at and can see how that might help.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eep2378:
Im using $100 coupon, so I can get the Gtab for $399 vs 299 for the transformer.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
The tab is fine i just like the transformer built in micro sd and the dock vs tab slimness and looks
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
Don't forget IPS screen.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
And usb with dock faster updates from asus mini hdmi without a dongle i could go on but wont
[Eee Pad Transformer General] housry23:
On that test video what is the difference between ' stage fps' & ' video fps'? On stage fps I get around 10fps and 30fps on video fps.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] seh6183:
Awesome.

I went through the steps and now have the latest version of flash which plays 30 fps on the YouTube speed test video.....................

On the stock android browser. Which I will never use because its turtle slow.

Ill keep an eye on this thread though and maybe a fix for Opera will come out eventually.

Good find though guys.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
Stopped working again
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Galaxybread:
in prime v1.5 my flash playback with the hacked flash version were smooth, now with prime v1.6 i cant make it work again, someone else having the same trouble?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
I did have an issue with prime 1.6 original and I tried absolutely everything I could find to find it with no result. I then restored my old 1.5 nandroid backup and it worked again. I did a cache wipe for browser and it stopped working again.

So I started again and restored old 1.5 Nandroid backup, flash orked fine in browser, updated all applications and did another Nandroid backup knowing it was fully functioning in browser with Flash. I then did an install of the 1.6 prime and all was well.

One thing I would mention is that even when my flash had stopped working in browser, it still worked in maxthon browser.

So long story short, it's not prime 1.6 that causes the flash issue, and it's other software issues with the current operation of browser.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
im gonna wait for 3.2 tomorow b4 i try again
[Eee Pad Transformer General] seh6183:
The trick works for me and im on 1.6

Again I dont even care about this hack ad it does not work with my preferred browser.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Tomorrow? You going buy the french asus post?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
https://twitter.com/#!/ASUS/status/96257946035560448
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Thanks. The I just spotted that in another thread. Added asus to my twitter account now.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] residentorca:
10character
[Eee Pad Transformer General] KingDavid63:
I get 30 fps on mine...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] italia0101:
dont take any notice of it saying software decoding it says it all the time, even on the other tablets... but yea performance is ass
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
If the 'Stage Video' library was in play it would actually say "accelerated video rendering" rather than software rendering.

It's clearly broken on the Transformer.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] keroppilee:
Could that be why they havent released source yet?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
I've had my TF for 1 day and flash performance is very sub standard for its spec. Fingers crossed it gets sorted soon!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Not releasing source for Honeycomb has nothing to do with this.

Flash works as it should on the Xoom and the new Galaxy Tab 10.1 (So I have been told) so there is no issue with the Flash player.

Something tells me that Asus is just including an incomplete, old, or broken implementation of libstagefright (the media renderer) which is failing to tell the Flash player that it is capable of hardware rendering the h.264 video.

I dunno, maybe Asus will fix it. Hopefully they will.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fallout0:
Has anyone tried porting the stagefright libs from other tablets?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] madsquabbles:
these threads are allowed and needed. information is needed to make an intelligent decision. good or bad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Without source code you can't port it very easily.

Thank Google for withholding source code to their 'open' platform.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 3DSammy:
I have seen several posts that say even after the HC 3.1 update with Flash v10.3 installed that only the Youtube application had smooth playback while the browser still had issues. Are you commenting while using the Youtube app or the browser? Also try the app with this speed test to see if that makes a difference.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Ryukeima:
I thought one of the recent Flash updates stated that they removed hardware acceleration. I could be wrong, and I have no idea why they would do that, but I could have sworn I saw that under the patch notes a while back.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] proplayer44:
Seriously, no joke, I've seen a noticeable improvement in the playback of flash in the new Maxthon browser for tablets. Give it a try and report your findings please. So I know if im just fooling myself.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] italia0101:
do the test I posted earlier in the thread
[Eee Pad Transformer General] italia0101:
i installed and did the test, it performed worse than stock for me
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dasgh:
Got my hands on a fresh Xoom tablet this morning from a dev at work and was able to test a couple of things out.

The youtube test performed extremely smooth with fps ranging from 29-34 on 720p.

The general web browsing in stock browser was also a lot smoother. Even on the xda forums it was able to churn through noticeably quicker than the TF.

Not sure how to begin a low level comparison to determine the problematic area. I'll poke around and see what, if anything, I can figure out.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jacke08:
Yes, issue is clearly that hw-acceleration is disabled for flash on TF. Was a great dissappointment to see how smooth and clear 720p videos were on the 10.1 running the same hardware. Hopefully Asus will provide an update for this within soon.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] madsquabbles:
this was my experience too when i had the xoom. it was more responsive. the screen picked up my inputs more reliably so it felt faster.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Hopefullt somebody will release atweak /patch to sort this soon. While I don't currently find it and issue its definately npg as rwspnaive as others I tested. All the issues with my transformer seems to just be bad software. Almost aside it= been a bit to rushed. Poor response, slow flash video etc. All fixable with software. After all a lot of these tablets have near identical hardware so there shouldn't be a huge difference between them all.

I think its just academy of waiting for the software development to catcnh up with hardware release.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jjsoviet:
If the Xoom can playback 720p Flash videos no problem, then maybe it's the time we should work with top Xoom devs and make a comparative study on how the Transformer differs in implementing browser HW acceleration from the Xoom. Then, hopefully we could work together to make improvements to the TF ourselves, so at least we could get a comparable experience with other Honeycomb tablets.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
I hadn't realised just how Bad flash video was the as7 but is really is awful. Not only does it drop frames but the quality is poor also. This needs fixing before TF gets a bad name for it!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PaulGG:
Had the chance to do some comparisons instore today A large retail chain here in Spain has just got a large selection of tablets in stock. I tested flash on the full website on the Playbook, xoom, and the TF. First impressions both the Playbook and xoom streamed right through to

1080p smooth as butter, the transformer was dropping frames at 720p. Whilst there I bought a HDMI adaptor. Back home I tested the HDMI out for the first time and it works well. Downloaded 2 versions of the same video one 720p and the other 1080p the 720p plays fine on the TF and superb through HDMI to the TV, however the 1080p stutters and struggles to play on the TF and is slightly better to TV. On Asus product info it states 1080p playback, if a stock xoom can stream at that res, regardless whether the screen can match it, there is an obvious flaw with the asus. I just hope its software related and not some onboard graphic component. Forgive my lack of knowledge but is the built in gaphics acelerater built into the nvidia cpu chip or seperate.

As a footnote no typing lag on XDA on the Xoom and the interface was smoother much more ipad like. Asus its no good giving us all the bells and whistles if they dont work!!!!

Strike the above question re GPU on tegra chip just found the crap nvidia is spouting about the TF link below

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/product-tegra-tablet-asus-eeetransformer-uk.html
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Srikar_NBK:
Im no expert on this , but my understanding is Tegra 2 is CPU + GPU packaged together.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Srikar_NBK:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra#Tegra_2_series

The Tegra integrates the ARM architecture processor CPU, GPU, northbridge, southbridge, and memory controller onto a single package.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PaulGG:
yes cheers did a google and found it
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
Email sent to Asus support regarding this. I am really pounding their inbox about all the issues and although my TF is currently in for repair for the left speaker and light leak issues (I only had it for a week). I don't care, I am still going to keep harrasing them to get these problems fixed. I've told them in no uncertain terms if they do not resolve these issues soon I will be seeking a refund. If nobody complains then nothing will get done methinks.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] haupman:
Asus really has to fix this immediately. This is a massive disappointment.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Srikar_NBK:
I left a post on the TF FB page. Hopefully someone at Asus will see it :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
If enough people bombard their support maybe we will see some action. Mine was sent out today from the Czech Republic repair center today. I will probably not get it until Monday now depending if they sent it express or not (UK here).

I'd be happy to mount some form of petition campaign if anyone fancies it ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Srikar_NBK:
I would say lets go for it
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Perhaps we should all post/comment on there. They may be more likely to take note of a public hit on their product. Nothing worse for their advertising than users complaining publically.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Srikar_NBK:
Incase your interested.

http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=197846136904015

Posted on Wednesday.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
Meh! Like they are going to read that. Better off bombarding their support via email. I get responses from email support and basically don't put up with any of their crap. I am not rude but I am pretty forthright with them.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rartino:
Doesn't this mean that the TF consumes way more battery than the other tegra2 tablets while playing youtube videos?

If so, one way of getting ASUS attention could be to pitch the tablets against each other in a 'youtube battery test'. If it starts going around in the blogs and press that the TF battery lasts much shorter while playing online video, I speculate that a quick fix would get some priority.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
Good thinking. It must be munching power if its software decoding
[Eee Pad Transformer General] coachclass:
I tested the youtube.com/my_speed test at BB for the xoom and Samsung Tab 10.1, both using their browser:

Xoom: at the default resolution (360p), it kept dropping frames, and was running between 20 and 24 fps at "10 stage fps", whatever that means. I couldn't test the 720P at all.

On the Samsung 10.1, it ran great. Even at 720p, I was getting 31 fps, 10 stage fps, and only a few dropped frames. On the Xoom, it got to the hundreds of dropped frames after a few minutes of playing. However, the samsung still said "software video rendering, null video decoding" - it doesn't say hardware acceleration or anything even when the frame rate is high.

On my own Asus TF, I get single digit fps, the dropped frame count keeps going up and up.

Here's a pic (take from my TF) of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 running at 720p:

Side note: when I go to youtube and watch 720p videos on my own TF, they look fine. I don't really know what that speed test tests. Maybe I'm not getting a side-by-side comparison?

Edit: I forgot to check the versions running on the xoom and the Galaxy. I'm assuming they're on 3.1. My TF is on 3.1

Here's proof that the youtube saids software rendering even if you get 30 fps. This was a pic of the screen from the Samsung Tab 10.1:

http://imageshack.us/f/13/tab10video.jpg/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Interesting about the software rendering bit.

Even still, it's clearly not using software to render because there is no reason you'd expect a 3-fold optimization on the Samsung compared to the Asus if it was all using the CPU.

I imagine the XOOM was sucking hard because the store model never got updated to 3.1.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gig103:
Wow, that is really bad, Im also getting single digit framrates. I don't have a 10.1 to compare with, but the closer I get to my 30 day return window, the more I'm thinking about it, because of this and the dock battery issue. But I won't get into that, it has its own thread.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PaulGG:
I would think that its logical to assume that Asus knows exactly what the problem is and that it cannot be fixed by a software patch, or they would have implemented it quickly, especially with the GT's now in the equation. It appears that they left the starting blocks flying, having forgotten to put there running shoes on. Now that the main tablets are sat side by side in stores you can put each through their paces and see the difference. The keyboard lag and video problems are not acceptable. Could it be the onboard ram chip that is inferior at handling data compared to the GT and XOOM's. I am sure that one of the amazing devs and tecs on here would surely know the answers we seak
[Eee Pad Transformer General] seshmaru:
720p fullscreen works fine for me. Besides there's always the youtube app.

EDIT: Running PRIME! 1.4 with stock kernel.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CelticWebSolutions:
yes youtube app runs perfecty, I'm assuming thats using html5 instead of flash?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 3sade:
please share a video on youtube that runs fine for you so i can check on my TF, thanks in advance!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] seshmaru:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2p5svFJ9cQ plays fine for me in 720p in browser.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] italia0101:
that link doesnt work for me, plays like a slide show
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sassafras_:
Play the video linked here:

youtube.com/my_speed

Tell us what the reported framerate is.

sassafras
[Eee Pad Transformer General] seshmaru:
10~12 fps. Not at all like the video I linked.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Canadoc:
My BS meter just went off. These devices are near identical for processor and ram etc. Most benchmark tests put the TF ahead of the xoom and gTab. This clearly must be a firmware software issue seeingbas Asus had 3.1 out of the gate before the gtab and likely didn't optimize it for flash as well.