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[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
You misunderstand, and I apologize if it wasn't clear, by contrivance I'm referring to this entire nitpick of a thread topic.

Though I understand the OP has his preferences, but if it bugs him that much then he could very well send an email to Joe Belfiore or some other lead dev, use some other IM app client, or move to Android.

I also get he wants to voice his opinion to see if anyone agrees, and I respect that. Yet, at the same time it just doesn't seem something that's so glaringly "wrong" that it merits much further discussion.

You're basically admitting what I was talking about above. If you're in agreement with one's ability to realize that that one important piece of info is in some SMS/IM that was sent, then there shouldn't really be a problem with the implementation that MS has at the moment because it's not that really any less inconvenient to scroll to the approximate spot of the conversation.

I'm not saying tech isn't here to make our lives easier, but at the same time I don't think it should take away your ability to ****ing think and use your brain. In other words, to not be so reliant on tech that you forget how to do even simple tasks.

I don't know because some information is important for you to memorize? *shrug* Situations determine the reason in part. Not to mention it depends on what you're trying to remember and how much you're willing to keep that information.

I'm not knocking you if you want to be lazy, but the vision with Microsoft, at least as I understand it, is for people to get on with their lives instead of nitpicking over the functionality of their phones.

The concept of Threads seems to fit that. It's possibly a bit burdensome for some because of the long list of messages, but I don't think it's enough to overcome the functional use that a majority of everyday people would find the benefit of. Oh and god forbid if it makes people use their brain *gasp*
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Yup nitpick.

Ok, sure and these are my opinions on the matter.

Not trying to silence it. Just saying, if you dislike it that badly there are courses of action you can take besides bemoaning it in a public forum. Take it up with some MS evangelist at those programming events they hold.

Yeah kind of a mess, but not entirely difficult that it causes a total loss in all functionality. Annoyance? Sure, for some. I suppose we'll find out how much when Mango launches. I haven't heard the bloggers aside from you make a big stink about it.

What in the F are you talking about. Yeah I alluded to technology what about? The focus wasn't on technology per se it was on the fact that an average person is not entirely stupid to the point that she doesn't know how to filter content for herself when using the new messaging system or that she would be particularly (possibly emphatically) annoyed by its design.

Any responses in furtherance was due to whatever you brought up and to what I believed you were pointing out.

And where did I say it was dumb to keep information in an SMS? I'm contending that the messaging system is not so much of an annoyance that one couldn't just write down that key bit of info or even copying it and pasting it into a word doc.

Well if that's true then we're worse off than we thought. I don't buy it though. Are you seriously inferring the vast majority of the world can't even remember something simple as say a loved one's birthday? Yeah that takes REAL brains there guy. No, people will most likely remember important information if their brains aren't overworked, they have reason to remember, and the information itself isn't entirely large. Even if it were large, it doesn't prevent someone from memorizing something simple like the approximate location of that information.

I'm not even sure what you're speaking of with this, but wouldn't you essentially run into the same problem anyways? What if you had a long ass facebook chat session with that key bit of information way back like 100+ IMs ago? Isn't that pretty much the same annoyance even if it was filtered by message service?

Well from the way you put it I guess you wouldn't be productive because it really shouldn't take that long to recall 1) who you were talking to, 2) about where in the conversation that information popped up or at roughly what time of the day it popped up and 3) the method of communication that that information came to you.

Also, it's lazy because you're resisting actually making your brain work to recall roughly, where that key information is. It's like how people use calculators for basic math skills.

Uh and so what? It doesn't take away from the fact that your brain is ALSO so reliant on tech that it doesn't want to be bothered with doing a simple task. Actually, if you note that your brain is able to point out a possible inconsistency than surely it must be well rounded enough to memorize some key bit of information when tasked.

You underestimate the ability of people to learn new things.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
Hey people have different opinions, lets keep it on topic and a bit more civilised.

Its just a feature, we dont have to convince each other. This topic is just about voicing if you think its good or how they can improve it.

@ScottSUmmers: for you its fine this way and thats perfectly oke. If you read my posts, I said I want to use the build in IM. I dont like android or the other platfors, I develop for wp7 only so why would I switch?

And you dont have to question my memory its perfectly fine, but here you get sent bankcodes, phone numbers and the people who you cook for or who cooks for you (student house), received daily. What im concerned about is that if you receive a bunch of IMs you will have to scroll trough this list of a 50 IMs before finding back your text, if u are in the supermarket. And NO copying these messages to word is not gonne work, because I dont need the information twice on my device. Its short stay information so why bother with the extra useless work of copying it. Sms messages are protected by law and perfectly suitable for these things, that why companies chose to verify your identity through SMS f/e. Than on the other hand IMs are not and are just a written conversation of sometimes more than 10 messages a minute.

The thing is now it will be hardER to find it back if you need it again. Not for you apperently but for me and other consumers yes it will. Its not nitpicking, you underestimate the frequency at what IMs come in and than you have to spot a small white text in front of it which appears ONLY when the thread switched service.

You dont agree and im certainly not forcing you or trying to convince you, I respect your opinion and am glad its perfect for you. The whole point of this thread was getting peoples opinion... We did not ask to insult us. We just need the responses like "no I think its fine this way" or "yeah filtering would could be great", not a two page insult about me or his intelligence.

If you think techblogs tested this long enough and really used a beta device to use for appointments, addresses, bank stuff etc. And heavily IMing? Get real they probably got 2 test text messages and IMs on it.

Than again. I have said I like the idea if they can refine it a bit more. Yes ofcourse i can switch it off, but I would like to IM and have a dead buildin feature for that. have to rely on third party apps which have been mostly crap so far (I know mango new APIs, smooth scrolling). Its a disadvantage against the native client which is nicely integrated from the contacts list.

So a problem: for a some yes, for some not

Solution atm: not use internal IM, but rely on thirdparty apps (if they get better)

And ScottSUmmers you think you can reach Joe and they read all the mail they get about features? Because they dont.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
i want to try it first. it may be a big mess or it work wonderfully.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
you said it all......
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Sure, I get it. I even said so earlier, and as for the topic I'm merely voicing my opinion that I don't think this idea is good.

Then build your own app. I listed switching as an alternative option.

I wasn't arguing that SMS messages aren't a valid form of communication for passing important information, just that if it's so important to you and you know there's going to be a long queue of messages going up anyways that you probably should take reasonable steps to ensure that you don't lose that information by either memorizing it, jotting it down, etc.

I understand fully what you're saying but I mean how is splitting it out in three columns by communication method is any different?

First, I don't know about your phone, but on my phone with SMS messages, the timeline only goes back about two months. Effectively that means any key information that I thought I had saved any time more than two months ago is gone.

Given that this behavior is there now, arguably for performance issues or who knows what else, I assume that Mango's messaging would perform the same.

Second, splitting it into three columns wouldn't necessarily rectify anything. Assuming the worst case scenario for a consumer who just is absolutely helpless at remembering anything or is relying on the phone to store the information that person would still placed in the same situation under Mango Threads because they'd be scrolling through the list looking for that message without a clue of where it's at, to start.

Your method might reduce the task a little, but if she can't remember where that information was sent from, then she'd be shuffling through three columns each with possibly 50+ messages anyways.

Second, your method probably would organize things a bit better, but then it potentially counts on you to remember where that key bit of information came from. Whereas MS's method arguably allows a consumer to not even worry about that but just look at the timeline of the conversation. In other words, there's less on that person's mind to think about.

Even if that's not the case and it is a bit tedious to shuffle through the timeline of messages, then the person would still be remembering where the information came from just (like in your method) and all they'd have to do is scan through the conversation time line accordingly while mentally filtering out messages from services they know don't have that information.

So in essence you are nitpicking about something that accomplishes, to me at least, the same damn result.

What you really want is functionality that 1) either searches through the messages or 2) saves/locks the message, or 3) both.

Back at you. I understand you're voicing your opinion. I'm merely trying to do the same. My apologies if you were offended.

Possibly.

Absolutely understandable.

Don't know until you try. There are other methods to get their attention too. Also, just because it doesn't happen immediately doesn't mean it won't or they don't listen. e.g. the uservoice list page.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Personally I can't wait for this, Regarding the delivery status thing I think it'd be pretty obvious. Sending messages failing doesn't happen very often for me but if it did the person wouldn't respond... You'd expect them to respond fairly quickly when talking via IM so you'd know something was up pretty soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
True, but people dont always respond on a text message, or respond a few hours later thats pretty normal.

But I agree the delivery thing should not be that much of a problem. And I guess using the switch button is just a new method we have to get familiar with.

@ScottSUmmers:

I agree, and the amount of messages one receives is highly variable so we could not really judge it by now. Though maybe they implement some way of filtering, maybe they keep it like this, they probably have their reasons and their feedback from devs or betatesters and adjust accordingly.

And I do respect them for trying, and I hope its actually not just a "selling" feature (like the now sparse Facebook integration pre Mango, which will be actually pretty much completed and much more usefull with Mango), but really a well thought system and I agree MS has a very capable team for doing the job and working out the best system.
[Windows Phone 7 General] downloaderintruder:
ohhhhh my god. in the demo you can switch between txt, windows live, or fb chat. im not 12 and most of my contacts use windows live because of xbox live gaming, and windows live messenger on pc. personally i find this convenient because you dont have to download a separate app just for fb chat or wlm, so just in case i ran out of credits i can still send messages from my phone to my friends (only IF you hav an internet connection, so im lucky im on plan)
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
most of you are also missing the fact that all iPhone & Android users have the Facebook chat on their phones anyway... We're really the only OS right now that doesn't receive FB IM on our device... On other phones EVERYTHING goes to the phone... I IM my girlfriend, FB her... text... It all does the same job for me lol...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
It was also surprising for me. Android FB has chat while WP7's just doesn't, strange why. Fim was the only choice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Android has Facebook chat through the Facebook App not the android messaging program and it's really bad, I've sent people Facebook messages and they've not received them because they're on Android and not their PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I'm sorry to hear that... My point though was that even though a user is listed as online through FB, most of the time, at least in my experiences and my social network group, is that it'll be online due to a mobile service, not an actual desktop client or browser, so that whole "Scottie left his Facebook on at his PC" will probably be a rare problem... Not to mention, as many people have clearly stated, its the end user's choice on which platform to message through, not the OS...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddy_droid:
So were is the new root for 4.24.651.1? They released it on Friday....

Is XDA in co-hoots with htc so that people will buy the newer Evo 3d since the evo 4g no longer has root? Are their kickbacks involved here?

Their should be root now people!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] usafmaverick:
Agreed. I am in a situation where I cant go back now, unless someone knows a way to downgrade the HBOOT. Would love to have my root back!! Someone please help, or offer some info on this situation.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
WTF are you asking us for????

Go ask the people that find the exploits

Did you ever think that they're holding back on purpose util you go away?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dsf3g:
XDA is owned by HTC (hosted on their servers in Taiwan, in fact), and HTC in turn is owned by the Tastykake corporation which is a subsidiary of Sprint. Didn't you know that?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tejasrichard:
It took nearly 6 months for a exploits to be found for froyo. We have had gingerbread for what? Two weeks?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddy_droid:
well i think that their is some back room deals going on and i plan to call jerry springer about it,.,,
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lyrical1278:
I'm lost as to why you would do an OTA knowing there isn't something out for root?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SteveGrandRapids:
Latest rooted OTA 4.24 is available for rooted phones in other threads . . . for those that lost root via OTA update, your hindsight must be 20/20 now . . . :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] metalfan78:
Waldo......?

We're comin from a pure power source.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joosca77:
Road Trip

Yeah hindsight is 20/20 but now that you mention it... its still a bit fuzzy. If you lost root due to insurance or just plain ignorance (I'm in this group :( ) give the developers some time or possibly give it a shot yourself (I'm not smart enough). When/if it comes out it will be very difficult to miss, and asking again and again is just simply annoying. On a different note... Are we there yet? Are we? Are We?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spencer88:
Yeah sounds like that same troll the MOD's have been trying to eradicate.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] usafmaverick:
Like yourself, I lost my root due to an insurance claim. The reason I commented on this thread at the beginning was not to get flamed by some ignorant fools that have nothing positive to say... I simply wanted to know if anyone is even working on a root for the evo GB. After all, like you said, it did take over 6 months for Froyo to be rooted. Who knows how long Gingerbread may take. Ive even heard speculation that some people dont even want to touch it because so many new phones are coming out that they think the evo will become obsolete.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wifflepig:
I don't doubt *something* will come of it. The Evo 3D will be released with Gingerbread (not Honeycomb), and there'll be a whole host of folks who will want to root/hack/play with that. It'll essentially be the same OS/bootloader that those who got the stock OTA GB release by HTC/Sprint these past few weeks, will be dealing with. It's a safe bet whatever comes out for the Evo 3D in terms of rooting - will also apply to us with unrooted GB flavored HTC Evo 4Gs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirkyd3rk:
Didn't this Guy say he bought an epic? I smell lies lol...looks like you're still stuck w/o root lmfao

Guess what!, my replacement came in and it shipped with froyo and I rooted again. Yay me
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cg 112358:
i call BS!

where did you hear that?? lemme tell you a story (dont worry its not that long :p )

my first Android phone was the HTC Hero (not the GSM version...the weird looking Sprint one :p ) I got it about 2 months before the Evo landed. I also got it when it had Donut (Android 1.6) and Eclair was already out on other phones. Then the Evo came out with its Eclair goodness and 4.3" deliciousness. the Hero community was pining for Eclair for the longest time...then finally the Hero got Eclair 2.1. I should also mention that the Evo AND Epic were both out when this happened and people were jumping ship for either of those phones. But the xda community stayed strong throughout even after it becoming E.O.L. and obsolete (and still is...new ROMs are still being developed and old ones being updated: Hero CDMA Android Development - xda-developers)

so you hearing a speculation that devs will stop developing on the Evo because it becomes obsolete makes me laugh and declare BS. the Evo is an AMAZING phone and has one of the best development communities that I've seen. Even after E.O.L. it will still be developed on (just like the Nexus One)

that's my $0.02

btw maverick....I'm not trying to flame you...I'm just saying I find it funny that people think that
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mark_Hardware:
Yeah... I'm as impatient as the next guy. However, I also know that the people that supply us with the ability to root our phones (i.e. the team at unrevoked) aren't getting paid, and are doing (me) a favor. The last thing I get is demanding or pushy.

I know with *me* if someone was telling me to hurry up already, I would just tell them to do it themselves if they don't think I'm doing a good enough job.

Like everbody keeps saying, have patience. I'm quite sure they are working on it, and a fresh new batch of noobs will be compaining that they can't figure it out in no time. :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bjaxon:
Its like the cure for AIDS. Its out there but your only going to get it if you have a lot of money. Offer up riches and you could be the Magic Johnson of XDA. ;)

Sent from my DECKed out Evo.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jayharper08:
I am so damn tired of seeing these threads. 90% by the same idiot. I'm really thinking XDA needs to be a paid subscription site to weed out all the ignorant people. Maybe that will weed some out. It is really making me to where I don't even come on the site anymore.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arbron:
Come on guys, the poster is a troll. Has no one heard the saying don't feed the troll?

The root will be out in a week. Just tell him that and he'll go away for a week.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirkyd3rk:
A week? Lol where did you get that from 0_o
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
Ditto with the Moment. While plenty of DEV's were making great ROMS for 1.6, a few people were pining for Froyo, and just the bulk of Moment users had hit their year and moved on to other phones (The Evo for me), a port for 2.1 was made and now, a year after Sprint discontinued the Moment, that port is the basis for ongoing ROM and theme development on SDX.

I just flashed a 2.2 ROM on my old Moment a few weeks ago and it's amazingly stable, fast and well done.

I doubt the Evo is going to be abandoned anytime soon
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddy_droid:
Well u state u dont come to the site anymore. How can that be if you posted the above...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cranbiz:
http://warriorwriters.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/troll.jpg
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] usafmaverick:
2 cents accepted and appreciated. I dont consider your reply flaming at all. Its an honest answer, unlike all the others that were griping.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Arbron:
I made it up.....sorry thought that was obvious
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sactownbwoy:
I wish I could go back. I was in the infortunate position having having to get a new phone. Since I was happy with my root and rom, warm, I hadnt been to the forums in a time. Wish I could get that phone back.

For the folks who updated over the air, I got nothing for you but for folks like me it sucks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AbsolutZeroGI:
Good devs still develop on outdated phones prime example:

CyanogenMOD on the MyTouch 3g Slide

There'll still be people around here. Where old devs leave, new devs will walk in. The Evo 3D and the SGS II are both a little gimmicky in some ways (seriously, the 3d thing is gonna ruin people and the SGS II...seriously, tip to zoom? *rolls eyes*)

But, on topic, trolls are stupid, stupid people are stupid and people who flash the OTA before doing a quick and easy google search to determine whether it'll break root or not is stupid.

Screw haters be hatin: stupid people be stupid. nothing we can do about that :P
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddy_droid:
For me its been a week since i traded by evo for an epic, now its time to trade my phone again. I trade phones about every week. So when will the new root method be out again. We should not have to wait more then an hour or two for an updated root method.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cg 112358:
are you fn serious? thats like saying we shouldn't have to wait 6 month for the baseball season to start or for the new season of your favorite show to start or for the sequel to your favorite video game to come out.

for the upteenth time.....STFU!! the devs don't get paid to do this so unless you're willing to pay them for their services....be patient!!! or, a better idea, go and find a way to root yourself!!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] justbreezy:
I was a devoted cyanogenmod user on my first evo, but then i started experiencing randoom reboots when the phone would get hot. i unrooted and the problem persisted. sometimes i didn't have to do anything on the phone for it to restart, especially with the heat of summer. anyways, i got a replacement in the mail yesterday and it came with the gingerbread update. needless to say i'm dissapointed, but i will be patient and i'm sure the amazing people in this forum will find a way to exploit root.