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[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
It is real, just not too accurate regarding the mAh measure.

Another tip to make your phone more accurate when showing your juice is to delete BatteryStats.bin or to download "battery calibration" app from the market which should do it for you. But I see you haven't rooted your Sensation yet and this means you can't do neither of the above... :rolleyes:

P.S. There is a button at the end of the posts to proper thank who you want to thank :D
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
I wanted to do it, but don't see button hehe. Here u go!

I still don't know how to use this app. Maybe polish translation is fcked up. How can i change language?

Analyze attachments for me, if u can :) On 3th screenshot, at the bottom is red information that i cant do anything, if not charge cycles above 50% (i dont really understand this information). But i can't catch it doing screenshot

And, if BMW will measure my real capacity - i should then change in BMW from 1900, to the measured capacity?
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
Don't know how to help you with the screenshots as I don't know a word of Polish. But you can change the language from Settings --> Display --> Language

By the way, as said BMW needs a few cycles of battery charge/discharge to measure it (the phone must be switch ON when you're charging) so let it do its job and at some point you'll see what it measured. I put 1900 mAh in the internal menu even if BMW show me something slightly different.
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
ok, changed to english, and this red information that i can't catch with screenshots is: "Measuring mAH requires a charge cycle of at least 50%, larger for accuracy" - what this exacly mean?
[HTC Sensation] Mftek1:
Time for me to get one of these :)
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
It means that BMW needs to measure a charge cycle of at least 50% to increase its accuracy, like for eg. from 20% to 70% or from 10% to 60%

Obviously the larger it is the better it goes..and the more cycles you do..the more accurate it becomes!

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[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
But i always charge from 0 to 100%. But okay, now, after 3 cycles (or more) i can see button "Update mAH" active. It says "measured 622 mAH". What that means? BMW measured that my batter isn't 1900, but only 622mAH?
[HTC Sensation] speps:
After reading through this thread, I decided to pick up the Anker 1900mAh battery with the charger. It's worth a shot.

My battery life, even with relatively mild use, has been pathetic.

Question for those of you using it - since it comes with a charger, is it ok to charge through my regular wall charger like I did with the stock battery?

Will my phone recognize that it's a new battery and meter it correctly?
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
1. no difference

2. no, coz, as i understand - all Sensation's have fcked up measuring method. But it will work properly (longer than stock), so don't care about measured capacity
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
1. Actually charging Anker's Batt with the charger that comes with results in a MUCH better battery life. Annoying thing though is that you have to pull off the battery from the phone...and since you all know how tricky is to open our Sensations..well I prefere not to do it so often ;)

2. Right :D

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[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
622 is way out of the results which you should get..do you have your phone switched on when you usually charge it?!

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[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
Ofcourse yes, as u said some time ago in descussion with me... Or u dont? Anyway, how BMW can measure anything if phone is switched off? And there is any difference when is switched on while charging? Any difference in battery life? Do i really need to switch phone off while ac plugged in? I hope i didnt broke anything in my new battery...

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[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
Also on oficial Bmw page is line, that tells phone needto be switched on and app runned to measure.

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[HTC Sensation] KCuadrado:
@hexen88 I got the same problem as you some days ago. My BMW was getting low numbers, so I deleted the application data from: Settings > Apps > Battery Monitor Widget and touched the Clear data button. After that, I opened my file browser and deleted a file in the root of the sd card called Battery History and charged my phone from 5% to 100% and it started to report good numbers after I updated the maH. It will get better the more you do this.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G.
[HTC Sensation] sapo916:
So no one has any performance comparisons between the 1800mah vs 1900mah? You can get 2x 1800 with charger for the same price as 1x 1900 with charger.
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
I don't really understand this application... from 0-100% is bad, but from 5-100% is good... really messed up app?
[HTC Sensation] rpachecoh:
No, the application is not bad from 0-100%. But you are not recommended to fully discharged your battery, as it could not charge anymore.
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
U mean battery can be "blocked" at 0%, and will not charge anymore? Phone will not run even if plugged in? Why?

U mean it's better to leave this 5% always charged, yes?
[HTC Sensation] the_scotsman:
Received mine today. Charging as we speak. Will see how it compares against my Evo3D battery.
[HTC Sensation] rpachecoh:
Right. Can't tell you exactly why but it's mentioned all over the forum. Experts advice not to fully discharged our batteries and it is the reason why you read the cycles 5%-100%
[HTC Sensation] glynnder:
In practice though, it's really unlikely you'll discharge your battery to below critical levels, i.e. leaving it until the screen switches off is no big deal.

However if you've reset your power tables badly so, for example, the phone reads it at 10% when really it's at 1% then letting it die completely could potentially cause more of an issue.
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
How can i reset power tables? Asking just in case
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
You need to delete batterystats.bin in the root of your phone. But you can't do this unless you first root your phone ;)

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[HTC Sensation] tward291:
i google this numbers and came to this http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1176984.html

it seems to say that these codes mean 1700 mah but he seems to offer no proof of this conclusion
[HTC Sensation] sapo916:
Yeah, the chances of you killing the battery to a point where you would need to hook up a special charger to revive it only happens if you let it die and then let it sit while empty. If you charge it up right away it will be fine unless you have a unusual situation like you mentioned but that is highly unlikely to happen.
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
So I'm totally secure charging from 0 to 100%? It is good anyway? Or i should charge from 5 to 100%?
[HTC Sensation] sapo916:
It is safer to charge from 5%, I have always discharged until 0% and had no problems so far but there is a small risk.
[HTC Sensation] Gunkk:
Li-ion/poly batteries can fail via formation of copper (or other metal, depending on battery type) dendrites under a certain voltage, resulting in a dead short, which typically results in a fire.

For this reason our batteries have a lockout circuit that will put the battery to sleep if it goes below that trigger voltage. Attempting to recover a battery from this state yourself would be unwise.

Keep your battery charged and you're all good.

Sent from my Energy Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
Well stock battery sure have that circuit working properly all the time....but I'm not that sure about Anker's Chinese thirdy part very cheap one (the temp chip doesn't work either as we all know...) :rolleyes:

That is why I personally prefere to charge my phone when it's around 10% (usually 15%) and if I need to run some tests I'd let it discharge till max 4% ;)
[HTC Sensation] LuckyNo13:
I bought 2 of these batteries for me and my girlfriend, i have a standard sensation and she has an XE, and on both devices i have seen between 6-8 hours of extra usage time. So it is definately worth the small price.:D
[HTC Sensation] BennyJr:
To all the people that say u cant discharge your battery all the way...yes u can. Android does not let u actually 'kill' the battery. It shuts off the phone before the voltage gets to low to cause permanent damage. Just some info.
[HTC Sensation] Rickdaddy:
well worth it for the small amount you have to pay for this battery. it's a big difference coming from the OEM sensation battery. I recommend it to everyone.
[HTC Sensation] jonslaught:
Got the battery last week. Battery life is awesome. I get a 1 day and 15 hours on my sensation running virtuous inquisition senseless
[HTC Sensation] Mftek1:
I'm debating on buying 2 of these from amazon.

I have a few questions.

Are they bad for our phones? (Just curious)

And is it bad to charge regularly? (Sensation charger)
[HTC Sensation] KCuadrado:
Go get them, the battery charges even faster than the stock one and it lasts longer.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G.
[HTC Sensation] Akatosh:
Hey guys, I've ordered an anker 1900 and I'm just wondering, will it get hot like the stock one?
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
From what I've heard they don't run nearly as hot as the stock batteries. I just ordered three a few days ago. $33 for three batteries couldn't be passed up.:D
[HTC Sensation] Mftek1:
Great deal bro!

I had ordered 2 for $30
[HTC Sensation] tward291:
honestly it not worth the money ive had mine for about 2 months and from the start i was getting about 1 hour of extra live if that i work 12 hour shifts so with stock i have to charge about 1 or 2 time during my shift with anker the same 1 or 2 my phone would be dead in 4 hours on stock and just a lil or 5 with anker so when i read you guys are getting 15 hours i laugh because i could drain all your batteries in 4 just because a phone sits in your pocket for 12 hours and your on 94 does not mean good battery life use your phone and then tell me
[HTC Sensation] StuartTheFish:
I get three days out of mine if I'm lucky. If I use it fairly heavily I still get a day out of it normally. I suggest you have a software issue on your phone that's draining the battery.
[HTC Sensation] AndroidNeophyte:
I get 10 to 15 hrs on stock battery with little bit of games and heavy internet browsing... What more if I use 1900 mah anker.... I'm buying it :)

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[HTC Sensation] tward291:
im on virtuous inquistion v3.0 hboot 1.27 what type of a software issue do you believe.i never had a android phone go more than 6 hours with heavy use i mean real heavy use i use my phone for everything i have 4 gmails and 1 hotmail account. this rom gives me good battery life for how i use my phone. i have better battery states and it tells me what my wakelocks are so i always stop them.
[HTC Sensation] StuartTheFish:
Is your phone going to sleep when it should? If there are no wakelocks, etc, then your battery should be lasting a lot longer than it is doing. Unless your constantly playing games on it of course. I have WiFi and data left on, as well as gps, auto brightness, I use tapatalk frequently through the day, going online, checking emails, playing music, etc. And like I say at worst I get a day out of it. I hardly play games on it but I use it for everything else really.
[HTC Sensation] boomboomer:
I think he's trying to tell us his phone never sleeps i.e. it's always being used, screen on for six hours. Which sounds about right, six hours constant use = flat battery. You don't need a bigger battery dude, just a longer charging cable....
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
There's no need to debate it really. The majority always rules. Some people don't like certain things. They cost less than purchasing oem batteries, that's good enough for me to have a backup. I'm pretty much getting three for less than the stock battery would run.
[HTC Sensation] tward291:
lol i really do need a longer cable but it does sleep but i do use my phone to much but i play music alot and the online radio but i dont play that many games i do have alot of sync options for like 15 mins or 30 and i watch alot of youtube and netflix. i know before i started watching for wakelocks my average was 3 or 4 hours lol so i did improve a lil

note

dont get me wrong on days that i really dont use my phone i cant get about 8 hours on it im only refering to heavy users and how fast the battery drains with that usage which is about 4 days out of the week since i work 12 hour shifts
[HTC Sensation] AndroidNeophyte:
Do you have good reception? When a phone tries to find a good reception most of the time that can be a battery killer.

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[HTC Sensation] tward291:
My bad about doing this in 2 post but I'm doing this from my phone but this is how my battery life be
[HTC Sensation] StuartTheFish:
If on days you don't use it it's still only lasting 8 hours then something's definitely up. Or have I read your post incorrectly?
[HTC Sensation] AndroidNeophyte:
Have you tried not using JD... I used to have Juice defender before on stock Rom and it work well but when I tried to use it on insertcoin Rom it drained my battery faster so now I don't have it anymore. Weird but it worked for me, taking JD out

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[HTC Sensation] tward291:
ill have to try that when i charge my phone ill take off jd and see if that helps and yes i would get 8 hours when not using maybe i have bad luck with batteries my girl friends sensation last 12 hours my last android the evo only last 5 hours so i figured this was how android was
[HTC Sensation] AndroidNeophyte:
Maybe where you work also has bad reception... That could be it... I get only 6-8 hrs battery when I'm in a place that I get bad reception because my cellphone works harder to find signal hehehe... Hope everything will work out

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[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
I can confirm that JD just makes you finish your juice faster. The only good app from him is JP that lets you have an idea about your battery drain during the day.

That said..Anker's Batt never promised miracles: if you use constantly your phone 6 hours seems a pretty good result to me! ;)

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[HTC Sensation] sarkar_007:
How much time does it take for you guys to completely charge your Anker 1900mAh battery?

I recently began using this battery and am currently in the midst of the 'charge - discharge' cycle. I began charging the battery (in the phone) from 3% and 'Battery Indicator' app is showing 5.5 hrs to 100% full charge. I know this battery is of larger capacity so it will take more time. Does it really take so long for you guys too?
[HTC Sensation] the_scotsman:
haven't really timed mine.

Are you charging from USB or from the mains?

Charging from the mains is faster as the chargers provide 1Amp output, whereas USB can only provide 500mA.
[HTC Sensation] sarkar_007:
I know that. I am charging from mains. I just received the battery yesterday. And I spent the day using it heavily so as to bring the charge down to less than 5%. Today morning I began charging it from the mains. Its now 2 hrs since I began charging and it has gone from 3% to 59% and shows 2.5 hrs to reach 100%.
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
Mines should be here today. 4G is rather spotty at my house so I know I won't be able to test it properly. :-(
[HTC Sensation] tward291:
cool I'll see what happens and my signal ain't been the best at work
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
The first 3-4 cycles the phone is quite inaccurate showing batt stats...but it gets better& better the more you use it.

However these are my charge times:

1-) 2.5h from the mains 15-100% and another half an hour plugged in to improve the batt life..so 3h in the end

2-) 6h from the USB port of my laptop and another hour to let it settle down..so 7h in the end

3-) 3h with its own charger

I get the best results with my batt life in the opposite order of the list..so first n°3, second n°2 and third n°1

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[HTC Sensation] sarkar_007:
Finally! Charging is complete. It took almost 3 hours 45 minutes to charge from 3% to 100%. From ac mains. I didnt disconnect the charger for even a second. And I didnt use the phone during this period except to read a few messages.

An unrelated matter:

In post no. 1496 on this page I am seeing a star above the Thanks Meter with the number 10 in it. What does it mean?
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
Allright. I'll show you my usual charging time after a few months of usage of this battery.

As you'll see from the pic attached to this post USUALLY it takes almost 2 hours to go from 8% to 99% but then it takes another 45min to get from 99% to 100% so it's perfectly normal if your phone stuck to 99% for an hour or so!! ;)
[HTC Sensation] KCuadrado:
I want to ask, is my mV level normal for this kind of battery level with Anker? I think that's below 3.7 volts and that's dangerous. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G.
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
My one is between 3500 and 4200 so I guess your one is normal & not dangerous at all ;)

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[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
Mines made it today, and on time.
[HTC Sensation] Mftek1:
I received my batteries today.

Just finished charging them, and now about to test them out.

Is it ok to charge the battery inside the phone with the HTC charger??? Or should I only charge it with the anker charger it came with?
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
Couple of posts ago someone said that better is with charger from anker :) But imo there is no difference, and u don't need to push battery everytime :)

And question to psiche: my BMW shows to me: Measured 1491mAH - that's a lot more than before, but still not good... anyway, my phone is turned on from 1d and 16h, that's HUGE difference when compared to stock battery. Impressive!

How can i make measuring more good? Delete BMW files from card and clear data?
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
I said that and it's not a matter of opinions but of experience!

Charging from its own charger gives you a better result as well as charging it from the USB port gives you a much better result! The inconvenient is that with the first method you need to pull off the battery every time..and this is something people tend to avoid...and with the second one it takes literally ages to complete the charge!! So that is why almost everybody do it from the mains!

It'll get better as the time goes by and you use it. The more times you follow the charge/discharge thing..the more accurate it becomes!

You could also charge it till 100% and then delete batterystats.bin from the root of your phone..but you need to root it in first place!

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[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
I've seen a few different methods in "conditioning" these but I'm not sure which is the best method. I read where it's better to discharge to 1-2% and then charge to 100% (rinse and repeat) three times. I didn't opt to purchase the Anker charger so I'll be using either the HTC charger or usb.
[HTC Sensation] dave6018:
I have one for my s2 and I wouldn't recommend 1) it worse than stock 2) seem to crash the phone 3) had issues when its run down) 4) not 1900 mah
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
You're comparing two entirely different devices by two entirely different manufacturers.
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
+ 1

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[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
My conclusion is: BMW reads what actually phone reads from batterystats.bin? Not measuring, but just checking how phone recognize capacity?
[HTC Sensation] buzz killington:
BMW reads the data from the history file. when you change battery you need to clear the history otherwise it'll just take everything and give you the average.
[HTC Sensation] peterc10:
There are 1500 posts in this thread nearly all disagreeing with you as far as the HTC Sensation is concerned! That is because, as is already pointed out you are referring to a different phone :rolleyes:.

Try to keep up ;)
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
U mean deleting batterystats?

Okay, i can't delete it, and i don't want to root. Will this file be deleted/overrided when ICS update OTA comes to our phones?
[HTC Sensation] HashTagHell:
Alright, I'm not prone to taking suggestions here. Lol.

Would it be smart to delete battery stats after the first full charge?
[HTC Sensation] NekoNyapii:
I've purchased two of these Anker batteries back when I had the Sensation. I honestly can't tell if they're better or worse than the stock battery, but it can definitely be a replacement or a spare, it doesn't overheat, and the battery life isn't very short.
[HTC Sensation] Mftek1:
I got my battery yesterday and charged it to 100%

I put it in at about 9pm. It is now 8:40pm the next day and I'm at 15% now.

I have texted a lot. Browsed the internet, YouTube so much. Made a lot of phones calls. And listened to music for about 40 mins
[HTC Sensation] PsicheAlCubo:
I can't answer to that..but I can't understand either why would you choose an android powered phone over the iphone if your plan is to keep it stock.

Here I'm definitely going OT so I'm stopping here..but it just makes nonsense dude: the most powerful tool of your device is our community that let you have the best phone that you can have through all the customizations provided.

Beside rooting your phone it's completely safe and it's a reversible action...

My2cents and sorry to the OP for this ;)

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[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
I don't wan to root, coz of loosing warranty. Also i don't have money to buy new phone, when i can't repair it. And why Android? It's better than iOS in my opinion, also i never liked Apple products :)
[HTC Sensation] krugm0f0:
Folks! There is an article about battery stats from Google themselves. Battery stats are wiped whenever you charge your phone. It only contains the info since last charge of what have been using the battery.

It won't give you better or worse battery life. Your battery won't believe it's fully charged at 80%, or whatever, if you don't wipe and fully charge it after.

Charge for two minutes, remove AC power, stats are wiped. Charge again for 14 minutes, remove AC power, stats are wiped.

Battery stats are only what processes have been using the battery since LAST charge. It's what you see in the battery usage page in options.

Thank you. Now time to get out of bed.
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
How is it not worth the money. Even if it lasted the same as stock, it less than half the price... So how is it not worth the money exactly? My anker gives me a few hours extra.
[HTC Sensation] boomboomer:
If you read the later posts you'll see there is something very wrong with his phone/signal etc where it's dead after 4 hours of what looks like fairly typical use to me.

I've gone from 6hrs life on stock ROM and battery, to 14 hours life on virtuous inquisition 2.1 with same battery, to 25 hours life (6 hours screen on)with the Anker battery.

This is now much better than the HD2 I've just left, without having to use an extended battery that won't fit in a case or car mount, whereas I started out wondering if I'd made a horrible mistake moving to the Sensation.

Well worth £17 for two, although the charger is too cheap (I wouldn't leave it plugged in overnight!) and takes forever to finish. All I need now is a decent battery driver in the Sensation to give believable percentage, voltage and consumption figures.....
[HTC Sensation] tward291:
there was something wrong with my phone i turned it in and got a new sensation plus as suggested didnt reinstall juice defender. i got soff and am on firmward 3.24 with virtuous inquisiton and my battery life is great 14 hours babby so thanks to the suggestions it is a great buy
[HTC Sensation] StuartTheFish:
Glad you've got it sorted fella.