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[Vibrant General] krazie1:
Im with CallipH but im also with Eugene, its kind of weird that they started on updates for every other device except the Vibrant, but maybe their doing there work in order. Like i think the Epic 4G was the first phone to see a leak, now the Captivate, most likely it'll be the Fascinate next then us Last. I see it as "Better Late Than Never". It'd be cool if it was early like with FROYO but we just have to hope we get it and if we don't get GINGERBREAD the obvious reason is the Galaxy S 4G. Thats the only possible and reasonable reason. But all we can do is wait and see. Patience is the Key.
[Vibrant General] kwes1020:
Couldn't agree more.
[Vibrant General] Romanbb:
The leaks were not leaked by Samsung for you. They were leaked by Samfirware.com. They are NOT meant for public release. I don't know why everyone is saying other phones have Gingerbread... because they don't. Only the I9000 has Gingerbread.
[Vibrant General] oka1:
I do not think Never again is the right format, Maybe a better format is "We are the loyal and you want to keep us that way heralding Samsung as the Phone of Phones"

I think this may be a better tact and if they do not respond Then go the #neveragain......attack..........

my 2 cents........
[Vibrant General] krazie1:
Yeah i knew before they even released the Galaxy S 4G leak what was going down. I didn't know that there was no builds yet for the Vibrant. But its weird that no one has started building Gingy for the Vibe yet, I think a lot of people know that these aren't official or even released by Samsung but by Samfirmware, I suppose their suspicious of why the Vibrant don't even have a build yet when we were the first to see FROYO. Or was it the Captivate? I don't remember but we were 1st or 2nd.
[Vibrant General] vinnydakid:
I think the real problem with #NeverAgain is that Samsung makes some really great devices. The Tab 10.1 and the SGS II are the best tablet and phone, respectively. Saying that I won't buy them when they blow the competition out of the water is tough.
[Vibrant General] ferhanmm:
Great point, but would they start development to abandon it half way? They will at least get it at some point, where as we have no evidence that they've even started for us. I'm all in for neveragain.
[Vibrant General] raduque:
Principles. You need them.
[Vibrant General] ld006:
I was thinking the same thing with the neveragain round 2, I say just wait a little bit longer, maybe till the beginning of next month and then do it, there is nothing to lose, they need to put pressure on t-mobile since I'm sure its all t-mobile's fault due to all these new phones coming out.

but instead of ssaying we won't buy a galaxy tab 10.1 just say anything samsung branded
[Vibrant General] cjggilbert:
I just don't see how it is their responsibility to keep every phone with the latest version. You buy a phone knowing that it has 2.1 on it. Tmobile and samsung both touted froyo for tue vibrant but never gingerbread. Where their update obligation lies is not written.

Now with that said I do think that if they are not going to update the phones they should at least make the source available to the community so that people have the option
[Vibrant General] bearsfan85:
these are leaks and its only been a few days, since the first one, its way to early to start complaining
[Vibrant General] Segnaro:
Just because samfirmware could not find a leak doesn't mean they're not working on it.

Remember that froyo was first leaked by a t-mobile employee who found a vibrant with an internal build and dumped it.
[Vibrant General] sahil04:
Yep, this is exactly the way I think so I honestly couldn't care less if we didn't get gingerbread (it would be nice to have though, that is for sure). If you want to have the latest and greatest then go buy the new phones every few months, technology improves faster than anyone can keep up unless they have a lot of disposable income.

Plus, Samsung is a business and businesses are there to make profit, that is why you see so many phones being pushed out instead of having waiting periods because society today always wants the latest and greatest and there are always people who have contracts that are expiring.

I would be surprised if over 10% of total Vibrant owners are even running Froyo since it wasn't an OTA update, it would be a waste of money to have develops develop for those 10% when majority of users just want access to facebook on their phones.
[Vibrant General] djluis48:
I say....wait just two or three weeks more, then start NeverAgain...its too early to start complaining.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
too late to change my vote, but I agree.

Theyve been giving out updates this month and a few last right?

give them this month.

Then strike.
[Vibrant General] ronin4740:
Wait a week or two. Even then I don't know that I could honestly say that I wouldn't buy a Tab, SGSII or other Samsung product as we're asking for continued development for a phone which has been phased out in favor of the Vibrant 4G...

I'll hope we see a Gingerbread leak, official release and source code but I'm not going to picket Best Buy with a #Neveragain sign to get it.
[Vibrant General] duboi97:
Doesn't hurt to try again? lol
[Vibrant General] Mannymal:
This is ridiculous. Never again means NEVER AGAIN. Not NEVER AGAIN UNTIL YOU GET US WHAT WE WANT.

I am happy with my Vibrant. I am happy with my Vibrant and Froyo, but I still want Gingerbread badly. It seems they will give us that, so I am very happy with Samsung, and I will buy their devices again.

So for me there is no never again, but if there ever is, it will be for real.
[Vibrant General] jneal9:
First things first. I would love Ginger on my Vibrant. Solid, straight built for Vibrant, but to my knowledge we were never promised Gingerbread. There were statements issued saying we would get it according to the release schedules of our carries. We all know what that means. It means no one knows when we'd get. Don't get me wrong, who would not want the latest and greatest on their phone, but to start a movement that happened to work with a Froyo release that we were promised, is not likely to work for a Ginger release in my opinion. And honestly it would be a bit childish to me. Can we find some other avenues to go through to encourage a release? There are already leaks for most other SGS variants so I'm sure it can't be too hard to build for the Vibrant.

I say hold off on NeverAgain because it loses it's meaning if it is used again and again. #NeverAgain means NEVERAGAIN... And by starting it back up means NeverAgain meant nothing if we can just pull it out of a hat and use it anytime we want. And they know that.

Let us find some other pressure point if we can before starting #NeverAgain.
[Vibrant General] PDY05:
Yup good by sgs it was fun I may come back in the future and a huge thanks to the developers that made it worth while. I have two sgs if any devs may want one
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Some thoughts from reading the comments:

Again, I'm not saying it's right, but it could help.

I felt like we should address it as a community, so the majority is on board. A movement doesn't work if it's not supported. By addressing it, having rational thought, we all win and are better off for it.

Sounds like the majority agree it's not right, or the right time. Good. Now the community needs to decide, what is next?

Wait? Question T Mobile? Assume we're the red headed step child of the Galaxy variants?

If not this... What?
[Vibrant General] richiehd:
Question the carrier.
[Vibrant General] imitebewrong:
I agree with Eugene's statements.

Even a week ago I would have said no as well.

But now, I feel it could the last little push we need to get a gingerbread leak. We may or may not get a leak with or without it, but why sit back and let it go to the wind? Lets give it our best efforts and see what happens.

So yes, go forth sir. #NeverAgain.
[Vibrant General] horseycraze:
Everything I like about the Vibrant can be attributed to the Samsung hardware and the android OS (thanks XDA devs!). Everything that is wrong with the phone is T-Mob (except for the GPS, though not a problem for me).
[Vibrant General] TheSneakerWhore:
The phone is a year old...stop being whiney children about this. The companies involved want you to buy a new phone ( as does any business...upgrade=money) when they feel it is pertinent. You cannot expect a company to listen to customers that make up .05% of their market. "#neveragain" did not bring us Froyo...

The phone is old--enjoy it for what it is--I still rock my G1 on occasion for nostalgia.
[Vibrant General] djluis48:
The next step should be questioning T-Mobile.
[Vibrant General] TheSneakerWhore:
Even further--why would they care? They are trying to sell to AT&T.
[Vibrant General] djluis48:
Doesn't hurt to try. ;)
[Vibrant General] TheSneakerWhore:
Well...it does take time and internet poutrage.

Maybe I just see all large companies as "not-my-best-interests-at-heart". I'm a bit of a cynical bastard I guess.
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Sneaker Whore.. how do you KNOW never again didn't help bring froyo... I did say "may”

I'm sorry, but when the consumer has no say(your opinion apparently) something is very wrong.
[Vibrant General] Vibrant03:
It's shocking that there's no leak for the vibrant and it's impossible that there won't be a gingerbread update for the vibrant.. it seems like the waiting game for the update will be much longer than it was with froyo because of the 4g version.. i don't mind as long as we get a leak at least.. why can't tmo just upgrade those who have the vibrant to vibrant4g? We're paying the same anyway...
[Vibrant General] sahil04:
Even if never again did bring froyo, if you do it again just shows that neveragain was a failure. Like someone said earlier, never again means never again, not never again until we get what we want.

I wouldn't be surprised never again is the sole reason Samsung decides not to release it for the Vibrant.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
NEVER AGAIN as in We will NEVER AGAIN buy from you Samsung

not

We will NEVER AGAIN complain for updates after this.

This ain't a Justin Bieber song.
[Vibrant General] mikka06:
I love my Vibrant (rooted of course)...now i'm in Europe and next week i will have the SGS2. I think that the whole problem is not only Samsung. Why the rest of the world can have the updates in a reasonable delay? I think that T-Mobile should have it part of #NeverAgain
[Vibrant General] sahil04:
But how many of those people do you think will actually follow through with never buying a Samsung product (or even just phone) again? GS2 blows away the competition and Samsung knows that.

The fact is, after the two year contract is up that majority of people have won't care about never again, they just want the latest and greatest which Samsung products have a great chance to be.
[Vibrant General] dan0zone:
I keep seeing post saying how surprised they are, as far as vibrant leaks go ..... Do any of you remember the 'samsung rep ' that was on here just before we got the official 2.2... He was asking how they can help and such ,and , member of the vibrant forum blasted the 'rep ' on 2.2. ,even after he stated that its being worked on and will come soon ...to the point he was never heard from again ..... remember that? Soon after samsung changed their sever and port .. all leaks dried up and we been stuck with what we have now ...We didn't even know about KB5 till it was posted on tmobile forums ... really sad .....
[Vibrant General] eminembdg:
Let me tell you all! Companies do care about bad press. And internet bad press is HUGE now. I speak from experience working in a very large retail company. Trust me, internet press does change things. I.can give example if you really want it

Sent from my badass Vibrant
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Even of that incident, I really do think Samsung did make a mistake with SGS series and is trying to fix their problems they did with us with the SGS2.

I mean everyone makes mistakes, every company has had its falls. Samsung is trying to get up.

Maybe SGS was kind of their guinea pig as to what would be the result in the wild? Most of the results were good, but some were bad like in our case with no froyo and faulty GPS.

I say TMOBILE is the fault here.

I agree completely.

The only reason Samsung probably gave into Froyo for us was because of Bad Press.

Engadget one of the largest news companies in the Tech world posted a few articles on Never Again.

Phandroid did.

Some very large news companies posted articles about it and it sure put the unknown people into knowledge that Samsung had a bad reputation.
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
Samsung isn't trying hard enough, and I'm sorry, they have a history of making mistakes and not learning from them.

The original Galaxy S line was not the first Samsung phone to have GPS issues. Samsung has released phones in the past with GPS that is essentially worthless.

The original Galaxy S line is not the first time Samsung has failed to deliver updates even PROMISED UPDATES. Samsung had publicly stated that Behold II owners would get an update to Android 2.1. There was even a youtube video as proof of them making this statement. When the update never came and Behold II owners got worried about whats taking so long, Samsung basically came out and said sorry we changed our mind, you aren't getting 2.1 anymore. They also ordered all Youtube videos where they publicly stated Behold II would get 2.1 to be removed. They went on the attack.

So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people tell me that Samsung is trying. Trying isn't good enough, it's time to just do it and show people you changed.

You know what everyone said almost 12 months ago when the Galaxy S was coming out? They said "ohh Samsung won't let us down with the SGS line, they are trying to have better customer relations." LOL we all saw how that went.

We got a phone with a malfunctioning GPS that took months for any type of update to be released. Also the issue is hardware, and Samsung has failed to admit that. Additionally, SAMSUNG RELEASED THE PHONE HERE IN THE STATES WITH THE VARIOUS CARRIERS FULLY HAVING KNOWLEDGE FROM THEIR OVERSEAS RELEASE THAT THE GPS WAS MALFUNCTINING. THEY WENT TO U.S. MARKET KNOWINGLY WITH A DEFECTIVE PRODUCT. ALL IT WILL TAKE IS ONE DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEE TO LEAK INSIDE DOCUMENTS PROVING THIS KNOWLEDGE AND SAMSUNG SHOULD BE SUED IN CLASS ACTION.

I say anyone who purchases SGS-2 doesn't value their own power as a consumer. You wan't large companies to value you, then stick to your guns and never purchase from them again until they prove change.
[Vibrant General] TheSneakerWhore:
Of course we have no say--we are consumers. You can choose to buy/not buy, but at the end of the day, we will consume. Companies plan out all aspects of operations and distributions months and even years in advance. The tech world is ever increasingly ramping up newer production to make us "need" the latest and greatest. Why release a GB candidate for older phones? They NEED you to buy the new ones.

I didn't see the "may" there--for that I apologize.
[Vibrant General] BaoQ:
So this time who's going to "sues" Samsung and rap about it.
[Vibrant General] Droidicus:
My 2 cents - I signed the original petition, and meant it. Just replaced my son's phone with an htc sensation (htc gps ALWAYS seems to be rock solid by the way).

And when my contract is complete, if I stay with tmobile, I will likely be replacing the vibrant with an htc device, or, more likely the nexus 4g regardless of who makes it.

Say what you mean. Mean what you say.
[Vibrant General] kawistunter:
i love my vibrant and what all the devs do with 2.3 so far is amazing but if samsung relesed the info they need then there would be no limits.
[Vibrant General] iynfynity:
I think the fascinate received their GB. We're ****ed.
[Vibrant General] degeneration:
I feel like (for me) Never Again would be an empty threat. I have had my Vibrant over a year and it still is pretty cool, but I want an SGS2 or equivalent so bad. I do love my new Gingerbread ROM to pieces and would love if it worked better, but I also don't feel like I am owed Gingerbread. I would be ecstatic if they released some code to help the devs (like GPS drivers actually intended for the Vibrant on Gingerbread) but I feel like they did their part (albeit slowly) to get us Froyo, and GB would just be icing on the cake... or gingerbread...

But again, might just be me. I wish our open OS was more open so we wouldn't need to wait for magical source fairies to grace us with the code we need for our phones.
[Vibrant General] The Tech Game:
I give them July, if July 1st comes and we don't see any word of Gingerbread to our Vibrants via leak or official, I'm DEFIANTLY changing my answer to yes.
[Vibrant General] quest4fire:
Did you get in touch with your contact at samsung and ask what is going on?
[Vibrant General] The Tech Game:
I made a post on T-Mobile called "Start up #NeverAgain AGAIN?" And this very witty guy replied, his words are depressing but they are unfortanetly true:

"The circumstances are entirely different. In January there had been evidence of a Vibrant Froyo build for several weeks, the issue wasn't whether a release could or should be made, but whether TM were prepared to deal with the consequences of what they felt was a flawed build that would result in considerable collateral damage, if it was released OTA.

Samsung took the burden away from TM by taking full responsibility for the Kies release and all the subsequent support effort. That being said, TM had no reason to obstruct the release further.

Right now, we've yet to see anything for the Vibrant regarding Gingerbread. Does that mean it won't come? Back in January the Verizon Fascinate users were in exactly the same position. They eventually got their Froyo update in April.

Right up until the actual day of the release in January there were people on this and other forums swearing blind that the update wouldn't come for the Vibrant. Doubtless, there were people saying the same thing in the Fascinate forums.

In January none of the US carriers had seen Froyo for their Galaxy S model. Once TM, AT&T and Sprint users got theirs, did we see ANYTHING in the blogosphere about petitions, law suits (real our delusional) or anything else for the folks over at Verizon who were still waiting?

If it turns out that we are the odd ones out this time, making a noise will probably not have any impact. Maybe Samsung will be susceptible to pressure if ALL the US updates are still unfulfilled three months after the European release, as they were with Froyo. But if TM users are on their own, the update will come when it comes...or not....and no amount of petitioning will make any difference."
[Vibrant General] swehes:
I for one do not believe that Samsung will learn. They seem to do small things to "please" the developers. What they don't realize is that they need to please the powerusers. I said that I will never suggest to a family or friend to buy a Samsung product and I still stand firmly on that account. I don't care that Samsung will come out with the next greatest phone, they have already fooled me once. Not again. It would be great to see some life come back into my phone but I use CM7 now and it works great for me. I don't know if the regular user care about getting GB, however Samsung should not try to please the regular user, they will come when the power user becomes their walking advertisement.

Do I believe that Samsung have changed? Maybe. But until I can see updates within months of official releases from Google, I won't buy any new Samsung products. Hardware is great, but I think software support is more important. That is why I am keeping my eyes on GeeksPhone in Spain, who works with CM to have it work on their phones before they release the phone. Their drivers, kernel and everything is truly open source.

I voted yes. but I think we should give Samsung until July 1st. Or maybe even better, July 4, and then if they don't provide any news we will declare our freedom from those big companies that thinks they are the masters of the world.
[Vibrant General] uurrnn:
Its obviously tmobs fault, is it not? Sgs global got gb, other US system phones have leaks of obvious gb builds.
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
I do believe T-Mobile (and the AT&T merger) are playing a big role... I guess what we are stuck with, what do we do?
[Vibrant General] christpuncher:
do whatever you want. because as others have pointed out, never again means NEVER AGAIN. i'm never buying another samsung product. cut to the end of the year when you all buy the sgs2. im sure you'll be sniveling about that phone too, because guess what? IT ALREADY HAPPENED TO YOU WITH THE VIBRANT. i don't care if you all just forgot that samsung released a broken phone that lags to no end, but they did. and then as soon as 2.2 came out, everyone just forgot. luckily we had devs that were able to make this phone tolerable, but what happened to them? oh yeah. all the sniveling in the vibrant forum chased them away. now we have one super solid team that somehow can just ignore the idiocy here, so thanks to edt for that. but i will never buy another samsung product again. and i'm pretty sure a ton of you said the same thing. enjoy that sgs2 because that **** will be horribly outdated by the end of the year.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
attack.

mtsmtmsmts
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Not going to lie. Typically I hate your posts. I agree a lot here though.

The SGS2 is an amazing phone, but I won't be getting it. Stock android, no UI for me from now on.

FYI, both Roman/birgertime and Whitehawk have picked up G2X (stock android) phones this week. I don't expect EDT to be leaving the Vibrant, but that doesn't make me feel good about the future.

Once GB source is dropped everyone on here will be on either a modified (hopefully EDT) OR CyanogenMod.... or another phone depending on how long Samsung/TMobile takes.
[Vibrant General] christpuncher:
the truth is that i don't have the funds to just up and buy a new phone off contract, so i'm stuck with this thing until july 2012. and i'm furious at myself mostly that i jumped the gun from the g1 and got this hunk of junk. so for that reason alone i will never buy another samsung phone. and the truth is i'm getting pretty tired of all this android fragmentation. i said the sgs2 will be outdated and it will. by quad core phones at the end of the year. and then what will those be outdated by? we'll only know once we get suckered into the quad core hype. every company making android phones doesn't care about the consumer or what we want. just what we'll pay for. i was super pumped to have a phone that could play games i wanted to play, but now (nevermind the chainfire hack), there are tegra 2 games i can't play. then i hear about sony wanting to do this playstation suite thing, and some of my favorite games ever were on ps1. but guess what? can't play those. honestly i'm growing tired of this android bs.
[Vibrant General] shreddintyres:
Personally i don't think any sort of petition will have any impact whatsoever, if you want consistent updates to the android os you need to be on a nexus device, that said ICS is set to drop sometime late 3rd quarter to the end of 4th quarter. even if we get an update for gingerbread, many will begin to clamor for our ICS update, which we cannot reasonably expect. I personally will be moving to a google supported nexus device so we dont have to worry about the carrier or manufacturer pushing out updates just on google who has shown timely updates to both the N1 and the NS.

So long carrier/manufacturer supported phones, Nexus devices are the only way to go for me.
[Vibrant General] Longcat14:
Truthfully, I'm probably going to stick with the phones that EDT gets from now on, since they tolerate all the bull**** on the Vibrant forums.

I guess I'll be getting the G2x, since it may not be the best phone, but it's still a damn good phone.

<3 the Vibrant thanks to all the dev's, but I'm done with Samsung's bull****. They could put a ****ing hexa-core in the next SGS, but I will not get it.
[Vibrant General] VICosPhi:
That sucks, I'd buy G2X if the screen wasn't flawed and it didn't suffer so many QA issues...