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[Xoom General] JanetPanic:
Up to you of course but below 5000 signers it is pretty much a statistical anomaly. If I were Motorola I would not even bother responding to a petition with a few hundred names. It sets a bad precedent to respond to that small a number. Far better for Motorola to ignore it and feed info through the forums.

Far better (in my opinion) to let it run longer and try and get more signatures. Everything in due course.
[Xoom General] csseale:
And I agree but between xda xoomforums and the Motorola support forum this has over 6000 views and barely a hundred signatures. People have given up and started to accept this kinda treatment unfortunately.

So I want at least the people that truely care to be heard. I expected a bigger turn out but it is what it is.
[Xoom General] laredo7mm:
Why do you assume people have given up?

Is it because your petition is a failure and in your mind it is the only reasonable explanation?
[Xoom General] Kokanee483:
I didn't sign the petition because the text read like some fifth graders take on what a communist manifest of grievances against Moto should be. If it had been written well and in a manner that would not lead one to believe that the author was off his rocker, then I would have signed it.
[Xoom General] RMarkwald:
I agree.

I agree with what you are trying to accomplish with the petition, however the grammar and "flow" of things just doesn't work. I would suggestion re-doing it. Sometimes it takes two or three (or more) tries at it to get it right. Have someone else read it, and make changes before posting it for the world to see. I know, I sound like an English teacher, and for that I apologize.

I'm a grammar stickler, always have been.

There also needs to be a period at the end of your first paragraph, after features. That stuck in my head more than the content of the petition.
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
This petition should be a letter written by a copywriter with PR/press release experience.

It should be re-framed as a simple request for transparency on the subject of LTE and sdcard upgrades.

That's how the bootloader issue got handled (which lead to Motorola requesting public feedback and eventually changing their policy.)

Anything less than professional level communication will be ignored.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
Give it a rest. "It should be grammatically correct, should have a copywriter..." yada yada.

It's easy to criticize, but I don't see anybody standing up and volunteering for the job. (Rant: That's the problem with society today, everybody's a critic, but nobody wants the responsibility.)

So the OP isn't the most versed wordsmith. Let him do what he wants to do. Activism is a learning process. Nobody hits a home run in his first at-bat.
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
This should be done by a professional precisely because the OP is not able to communicate the intent in a way that will resonate with the intended audience, and is arguably too emotionally involved to come across as professional.

His intent is laudable, but the method does deserve criticism.

Perhaps the OP should start a PayPal collection for a copywriter?

I'd donate.

Part of taking lead on something is to know when to delegate.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Have you even read the new one?
[Xoom General] csseale:
Listen for all those that NON STOP criticize my efforts. This is gone in a week. I NEVER CLAIMED to be a writer, a lawyer, a..well anything. NO ONE else was doing anything.

Why don't you go with it then ZANSHING1....get your copywriter.

But please please stop knocking it when i at least tried.

Some members of this forum make people feel totally unwelcome and ignorant. In the world of reality not everyone is a typist, or literary scholar or a super tech. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE DEGREES right. but it is unacceptable to beat someone for trying, NOT once helping just constantly bashing.

Like the OP states if your going to do that then don't come in here. your taking away from the context and point of the thread and to be honest it and you are not welcome.
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
Dude, when someone criticizes what you create, it's not a personal attack.

Personal attacks are: insults, name-calling. Attacks on a person, directly.

As far as I know, nobody in this thread has called you any names or insulted you. So, well, that's entirely in your head.

If you know you're not a good writer, why would it bother you when someone points out problems with your writing?

A wise man knows when he's not qualified to accomplish something and either tries to learn from criticism or asks for help from an expert.

As to your suggestion for me to hire a copywriter, the sdcard update is rolling out soon as is the LTE modem upgrade.

Motorola really needs to work on transparency, but this particular issue is moot.
[Xoom General] csseale:
I did ask for help and got it from several sources.....what you are reading is a collaboration. But thanx anyways
[Xoom General] laredo7mm:
Let me fix that for you:

Haha, sorry, couldn't resist...:p
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
What I PMed you was much more professional than your "collaboration", and that was just of the top of my head. You basically hacked it up to inject your drama into it, and you obviously didn't have anyone proof it.

I told you it wouldn't be taken seriously if it wasn't written in a professional manor, and the fact that people are apprehensive about signing it proves that. We all tried to help you, but you let your emotions govern your sensibilities.
[Xoom General] csseale:
No I just didn't INJECT anything from you...I INJECTED content from others. Point is I did seek help. And just because I didn't want what ever you gave me does not give you the go ahead to say that....
[Xoom General] csseale:
Annnnnnd this is what you psychokitty said about the changes.....nice that you flipped your switch....and nothing changed since then.....forget...go back a few posts

Thanks for the help
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
For the record, I have Asperger's syndrome. I tend to put the merit of an argument over people's feelings about the subject.

If I have, in fact, offended anyone, I apologize.

The OP may believe this or not: I didn't attack "his" thread because I hold a grudge against him for something prior, I criticized what I saw as an error. I do that with practically any data presented to me: I analyze it to the best of my ability and draw a conclusion.

It was something I had some investment in so I may have inadvertently defended my position beyond what was factual.

In my opinion, based on some not insignificant experience, the petition was not going to be effective. That's all I was trying to say.

I acknowledge the chutzpah it takes for csseale to have taken on the significant burden of carrying the flag for this crusade.

I didn't mean to besmirch his contribution.

Thanks, and I do hope that the Xoom lives up to its promise.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
When you have a bunch of geeks in one place, with most probably not having the best social skills hahah, it's easy to step on each other's toes.

I'm not sure what kind of syndrome I have. I think it's called the Foot-in-Mouth Syndrome. It's chronic. I can't help it, I always shoot off my mouth before my brain engages. My doc said there's no cure. I tried getting help from Assholes Anonymous, but they kicked me out for being over-qualified. I need help bad.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Our numbers are still growing so we are still tracking nicely and thank everyone who has signed.

I still promise you will be heard
[Xoom General] Jola013:
Ok, I have also signed.

I am a non-USA purchaser of the USA version because this product is not available where I live - I specifically avoided the 3G/4G version, because I knew that it would be difficult for me to send the Xoom back for modification.

I assumed that Motorola's good name would stand me in good stead, however it now appears that it would have been better had I waited and bought an Asus EEE Transformer, which can do more and is also cheaper.

IMHO Motorola blew this product by poor marketing and poor completion.

It seems that Asus is now the leading Android tablet and they will not give this lead up easily.
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
Right.

I DARE you to post my PM here.:rolleyes:
[Xoom General] csseale:
What are you trying to prove? If yours is better post it. Make your own..be a supastar...get your name in lights....

Go on hot stuff...post it in here. I deleted your watered down and insignificant changes...sorry..but the floor is yours...supastar

But your the one who gave me a little 'winky wink' and a 'much better' on all the changes....just saying...supastar
[Xoom General] keitht:
You are extremely rude. You have also tried to start drama from one of my posted threads. Do you enjoy being rude to others? Does that make you happy?

Here is your response to a thread I started which has no problems.. you are the only person to post something that has nothing to do with the thread, trying to be a jerk. Here is the OP:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1132793And here is your attitude that no one else agreed with:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=14927914&postcount=11

You are a superstar dude!

I hope you are not like that in real life. I would hate to see someone make a mistake in their grammar or worse, say something that is not on topic to what you want to hear. Wow.
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
Yeah, I wanna be you, big guy.

I can't find the pm I sent to you, which you requested, btw. I have nothing in my sent items box, which is a shame because it would show everyone how much of my input you actually did use, only out of context and contorted so it reads like, well, like you took a professionally worded piece and rewrote it. I'm pretty sure it wasn't deleted from your in box until you read my last post.;)

Big business doesn't give a crap about anyone in your (our) shoes. Coming off like the "president you can have a beer with" simply doesn't work. Several of us tried to explain that, but you wouldn't listen. Did you want to represent all of us, or did you just want us to back your personal travesty up with a list?

It's a great thing you're doing, but when people who have professional policy writing experience tell you it won't be taken seriously unless it's composed a certain way, you need to listen. You wouldn't listen, and now even people that would've signed it have said as much.

Yes, I did say it was much better, and it is, without a doubt. But nobody proofed it, and it reads like a Chris Farley character showing up at a board meeting with market reps late with papers hanging out of his briefcase, his shirt hanging out and ketchup on his jacket. Still the same great employee? Sure, but first impressions are everything and he better impress to overcome it. Do you have enough signatures to impress?

If you don't get it, then go ahead and keep acting fourteen, but don't think you're doing it at my expense, brother.:)

Kieth, I dunno how any of this pertains to you, but since you've invited your senseless unrelated conjecture into this discussion, I'll tell you that I stand behind my reaction to your posting of hearsay without caring the least bit enough to do any research on it first. Yours is not the only post/thread started from online gossip on these forums that has prompted me to question why on Earth someone wouldn't at least make an attempt to verify the validity of first. Threads that contain unfounded "news" or "facts" usually end up also eventually containing a mess of flaming argument.

-I find it difficult to believe you don't already know that.

If you care more about what you're doing with this petition than being the "supastar", then you'll ask a mod to clean up this thread and lock it, since it's linked to other Xoom forums full of potential signatures.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Ummmm...yea OK

I am done with these trival and obviously ignorant and unjustified arguments with you and well anyone of the others that have derailed this thread...you are an awesome contribution to the community...

Thank you..because if one thing was proven with this thread ( and others) is that some people have no respect and feel justified to puke up whatever crap they feel they need to just to get a rise.

May have been my writing...or may have been the CONSTANT attacks that turned people away. but we may never know. But regardless the damage is done. Its plainly obvious you and 'THE OTHERS' that made your claims have succeeded so i congratulate THOSE people. This thread became no more than a fist fight that noone wants to watch. Thus regardless of your attention have turned people away.

Oh well i tried have a good one..peace
[Xoom General] keitht:
Are you for real?
[Xoom General] JanetPanic:
Everyone relax. It is just the internet. No need to get your knickers in a twist. I tend to agree the petition could be written better, but it is not awful. I also tend to agree the petition will not influence Motorola, but it does not hurt to try. After all I doubt Motorola would align themselves with unlocked devices if the public had not made their position heard.

Psychokitty, I would prefer not to pick on you but I will remind you that there are rules about language and flaming. You have been fine in this thread outside of a little language but your combative attitude tends to bring out the flame wars. I actually agree with much of what you have to say on this thread but feel it could be done in a more constructive manner.

Cheers
[Xoom General] JanetPanic:
csseale, and I say this with due respect. Thank you for this thread and do not give up. Your optimism towards effecting change is a refreshing viewpoint versus old farts like me who feel our voice is not heard.

Cheers
[Xoom General] csseale:
-------------------Thread for petition is over!----------------
[Xoom General] csseale:
Update for those that signed...the petition has been mailed, as I promised your voices will be heard. For those that supported thank you.

With Q2 just a couple days away we have still heard nothing. Go figure.
[Captivate General] bird333:
Seemingly at random times I am losing all sound on my phone at times. I have my phone set to vibrate and play a ringtone. I am running Cognition 2.2b6. Any ideas on how to fix? Thanks!
[Captivate General] bird333:
I just called my phone and the ringtone started to play but then stopped after the first level of sound (normally the volume gets louder and louder). It seems like the external speaker is not working. I tried to use the speaker phone during a call and I couldn't hear anything.
[Captivate General] studacris:
well you are on a very early beta build rom...why not try flashing to newer more complete rom. like cog 4.5...
[Captivate General] boborone:
Put the phone in the road outside your house, no more problems
[T-Mobile LG G2x] awaisuk:
Hey.

I want to know where the stock icons are located?

Like phone, messaging, gmail, etc, all the icons where are they located?

Thanks.
[EVO 4G General] luigic81:
I have ran evervolv in the past but have been running the latest versions of CM7 for about 4 months, I love all the customization options, but I do get some quirks, and random reboots etc.. occassional lag

I am wondering what you guys would recomend as far the fastest and most stable GB rom

Evervolv? Evo deck? MIUI? etc?
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
Well deck is just renamed cm7.
[EVO 4G General] davit1979:
CM7 is ok, kernel that comes with it is horrible though. Nightlies are better than their stable release.
[EVO 4G General] Cares:
Deck has been extremely stable and I've had zero hiccups with it. Basically identical to cyanogen.
[EVO 4G General] sharkboy0901:
I agree with cares deck is extremely stable I really like it

but I love miui look
[EVO 4G General] thekingofmean:
Deck is awesome, much faster/reliable than CM has ever been for me. Though after moving to an area with no 4G I switched to MIUI and I absolutely love it.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
Deck's is without question the best for my phone. I've kept it running longer than any other ROM.
[EVO 4G General] I'M NOT YELLING:
Try again.

I'd love to use MIUI but the no 4G on it is a deal breaker :( Deck's has been a lot faster and stable than CM was for me on my Evo. I'd skip CM all together and just try Deck's if you want an AOSP ROM.
[EVO 4G General] Sab3r One:
From my understanding Deck's is CM7 with everything stripped out except for EVO specific features/kangs. That may or may not make it faster, I dont know because Ive never used it, but that is my understanding of the difference.
[EVO 4G General] teh roxxorz:
I rock CM7 Nightlties...I get at least 1day 5hrs minimum now...lol
[EVO 4G General] lost_man10002:
+1 to decks ...Neva had had reboot on it and GPS works flawlessly

sent from my cyanogenized evo 4g
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
Try again????? LoL.
[EVO 4G General] iWearNoHat:
If you want sense, I say go Synergy
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
Again dude? What do you have against deck?
[EVO 4G General] #Winning#:
Not necessarily true, it is majorly based off of CM7. If you read the post for the deck rom it has other things pulled from other GB rom's as well. It's certainly not just a "renamed CM7" because it works for me a lot better stability wise. He has also fixed a lot of things that CM7 hadn't. Not knocking the CM team whatsoever because we wouldn't have Deck's if it wasn't for them.
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
What ever helps you sleep at night........
[EVO 4G General] imheroldman:
Just to add my two cents... I run cm7, I enjoy the bloat and custom settings. No, deck is not cm7. A lot of roms use stuff from cyanogen just because he and his team do so much work. However you have to give credit to Deck for his rom being a compilation of his own. Like it was said read the opening post for his rom and you will see.

If you want super clean basic gingerbread that you can do whatever customization you want go with deck. If you want gingerbread that has been tweaked and had included tweaks options go cm7.

I will give props to savaged zen here as well. Very similar to cm7, but not the same! I love the included kernel tweaks, no need for script but less customizable. It is awesome that a Dev would include a custom kernel specifically built around their rom.

Honestly we have such awesome choices for gingerbread and they keep getting better. Try them all and find out which suits your needs best.

EVO 0003, CM7 stable, Tiamat, Vipermod, V6 Supercharger.
[EVO 4G General] curl2k1:
someone sounds like a hater...

to OP:

I've been trying a lot of roms lately too. For AOSP, go with Decks 1.2. Its lightweight, fast and pretty awesome. If you want sense, do a search for Synergy Nightlies and you'll find what your looking for. Another good alternative is MikG 2.0
[EVO 4G General] mordbane:
I've been rocking Deck since the pre release of 1.0. But in the last couple of weeks have been trying out the Sense 2.1+3.0 hybrids. After flashing MikG/Alliance, I haven't really had the desire to go back to AOSP.
[EVO 4G General] Klk450:
I've had CM7 for awhile and today i had an important place to go to but the GPS was so spotty i couldn't get to it and i read this post and decided to flash Decks and i gotta say the GPS works flawless and the stability is just superb.
[EVO 4G General] bjb_nyj101:
I'm using the latest MIUI + latest Tiamat (nosbc) with no issues. Battery life is as good as it's going to get for me.
[EVO 4G General] kirizan:
VaelPak

I would recommend VaelPak AOSP. It's more stable in beta then most other released roms out there. I haven't had a reboot or an real problem that I didn't cause myself. It comes with the SavageZen kernel, and had UV built right into the ROM. I have an extended batter, and get easly 30-35 hours of use out of the phone. Most people without the extended batteries are getting 19-20 hours easy. Everything works (4G, sms, mms, etc) . The developer is very active in the forums.

Check it out: http://vaelek.com/index.php?/forum/47-vaelpak-gingerbread-aosp/
[EVO 4G General] alaman68:
Decks is CM7 with a different launcher and Cyanogen settings renamed "advanced" unless of course you choose a certain theme, then it remains cyanogen. Even the nightlies / pre stable releases are the same. Come on!!!!

Anyway, I don't use either....

SalvageMod is the best by far
[EVO 4G General] SilverZero:
+2 for VaelPak! Dev just released a beta update today with a few new code-level options for controlling CPU, undervolting, etc.
[EVO 4G General] luigic81:
Thanks everyone, I'm on Decks now, was on the 2.33, now on the 2.3.4 as of yesterday since the stable release, it's definately been, smaller, faster and more stable than CM7 in the few days that I've been running it. Will have to look into Vaelpak in the future
[EVO 4G General] alaman68:
try salvagemod:D
[EVO 4G General] mike208:
I am debating about trying CM&, but I have fallen in love with the sense 3.0 roms. I know cm7 is highly customizable, and I am sure I can set it up to my liking. But my question is, if I add widgets like fancy widgets or beautiful widgets and give it some eye candy, will that knock its great battery life down to what I am getting with the sense 2.1/3.0 roms I have been running recently?
[EVO 4G General] joehunni:
I personally find CM7 nightlies to be quicker and more stable than Decks or any other AOSP ROM.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] djbigz:
How do I get the video's that render to a small box play in full screen?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] xManMythLegend:
Install moboplayer. Make it default.

Plays more videos and great on screen options.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] sahaskatta:
I had the same issue. Frustrating that Honeycomb doesn't have a "scale to full screen" button. (unless I'm missing something.)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RAIDENNORRIS:
phone: Xperia X10i

android 2.2.1

headset: HBH-DS980

I tried everything... even reseting the headset to default settings, but it always says "paired but not connected". unpairing and pairining again does nothing. Any ideas?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RAIDENNORRIS:
anyone . ???
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HouseM:
Try this way. Pair devices. After that turn of Your headset and BT in the phone. Then turn again BT on in Your xperia and than headset (not paring just connect)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RAIDENNORRIS:
Thanks for answer,

it's a shame it didn't work. When I try to connect the headset nothing is happening...
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j1mm3rs:
I've searched through the forum but can't find an answer. I'm trying to update my Arc OTA to 2.3.3 following the steps posted in the how to. I'm currently running a Rogers rooted 2.3.2 Arc.

The problem I'm having is that everytime I try and use flashtool to flash the generic north american rom, it fails. I've tried like 20 times. I'll have to use the update service to fix the phone each time. Any ideas? Thanks!
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rafuru:
hmm that's werid, post the log of Flashtool :D
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] im_iceman:
At what point does it fail? Does it give you error messages? We can help.. but we're not psychic!