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[General Topics] MartyLK:
Source please

Nah...nevermind, I looked for myself. That's excellent. RIM has finally fallen from the lead. I didn't think that would ever happen. I friggin hate Blackberrys and could not comprehend how they could be in the lead of marketshare being as crappy as they are. From what I see in a Google seach, Android is leading with around 33%, RIM with 27% and Apple with 25%. I am glad to see Android doing so well. From most online sites and news, the talk has always been that Apple was leading. Maybe they mean in a specific region. Nevertheless, I hope Apple can put out a highly refreshed and redone phone because stiff competition is never bad for the consumer.

When MS gets Mango out, I see WP7 taking a lot of marketshare down the line. That's going to be one fine system.
[General Topics] prsguitaruser:
I just looked through the "new" features of iOS 5, and don't see anything really noteworthy that Android hasn't already done. Swipe down on any screen for notifications? I was impressed by that on my friend's G1 a few years ago. So unless Apple's keeping their cards close, it doesn't look like anything groundbreaking.

It's definitely not going to be the "kiss of death" for Android. That's kinda ridiculous. Apple fans are always going to buy the iPhone, but too many people will still buy Android for the flexibility. Whenever Apple releases a new Mac, or a new version of OSX, it's never been a "kiss of death" for Microsoft, PC manufacturers or Linux.

For an analyst to pop up and start claiming this months before it comes out makes me think that he's either biased already by the product, bought off by Apple, or both.
[General Topics] ZackC456:
They said the same thing about iPhone coming to Verizon and look what happened. :rolleyes:
[General Topics] atypical1:
Because for guys like me they were great. I could check my work e-mail and easily reply using a real keyboard. I wasn't looking for entertainment or to play games with it. I wanted a phone that I could talk on for long periods of time and check my email. I love my Evo but for work purposes and for my particular situation my work BB is superior. But I use my Evo for all of my personal stuff because it's a lot more fun and has a ton of features.

Back on topic....the iPhone is always going to have market share and will always be popular simply because it's become an icon. I'm not sure they really need to do a lot of upgrading on it for it to sell. I know a LOT of iPhone users who don't use a fraction of what it can do. But it's like a Coach purse (one of the low end ones with the big "C" logo all over it) in that it sends a message to everyone around. It's a fashion accessory for a lot of people.

But is it going to kill Android or any of the other phones? Of course not and especially if they can keep the price competitive while providing a phone that's a good alternative. But I do think that Google needs to better advertise the OS. I don't think that everyone gets that Android is a Google product and knows all that it can do. I think they can be a LOT more aggressive against Apple and really help garner attention.

james
[General Topics] xaccers:
Oh god don't get me started on the hellspawn that is blackberry :D

Bloody awful things.

They got their lead, like apple did initially, by MS basically not realising the potential of WinMo.

WinMo had MS Reader for years before kindle came on the scene, they had WMP before itunes, there are app stores like handango. All it would have taken would be a bit of faith, a more finger friendly interface (SPB managed it, HTC managed it, why not MS?) and some bright spark to put it all together and MS would have been ahead of the game.

When BBs started, it was the best way to get emails with a mobile, it is secure, and adds so much more control over the handset than Exchange does alone. But RIM got complacent, their BES customers aren't going anywhere, they've invested too much in licences, they were practically guarenteed the business market due to managerial sheep following what other companies do (the sort of people who believe the only smart phone is the iphone, that then believe the only way to get email on mobiles is with a blackberry).

It's so frustrating, especially even after seeing how mobile OSs can be done MS still get it wrong.

There's a map online showing the market share of different countries, it's quite interesting. Australia has iphone winning, while Tunisia has Nokia in the lead.

I'm sure IOS5 will get apple a wealth of new sales, and for a short time they may outsell Android, but a lot of people I know with iphones prefer the 3 to the 4, many decided against switching, and many of them wish they hadn't.

A colleague got the white one (which really looks awful in my opinion, like it's made of bakolite from a distance) as it's her first touch screen phone she admits to not knowing what she's missing with it, but already she's thinking of taking it back for something better.

I got to play the finger of signal death with it though :D

Finger off - 5 bars, finger on - 4 bars, finger off - 5 bars, finger on - ooo 3 bars.

Interestingly Apple are already making noises about going for the "elite" of the market, so they're preparing the ground to accept 3rd place. After all, they don't need to be no1, they just need to sell enough to satisfy the stock holders.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
There's only one BB model I know of that you can actually use longer than 5 minutes before needing a recharge. And 4 of those minutes are spent trying to navigate the menu system and find stuff. The Bold is the only usable BB model that I know of that is decent. The rest of them are pure crap...I know from experience.
[General Topics] Sakabaka:
There will always be a large amount of people who hate Apple's proprietary and locked-down designs on principle.

Thus, unless Android support completely dies, there will always be a market for Android phones.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
That's true. But there's a very real aspect of the system that could cause Android harm: fragmentation. There are way too many versions of Android right now where devs have to code their apps to suit all of those different versions. With iOS and WP7, fragmentation isn't an issue. More and more devs will follow a system where they can put in less efforts for greater rewards. It could get to a point with Android where the devs just don't want to mess with it when they can make all their money on iOS or WP7. This could lead to less and less support for Android, which in turn would lead to fewer and fewer sales.

I'm not saying it can happen in a season. But it can happen. And given enough complacency from Google, it could actually happen, period.
[General Topics] MrShides:
MartyLK,

No offense man, but where you been living under? RIM has been falling since they released the Storm, which was totally a failure.
[General Topics] Jasonhunterx:
Ice cream that's all I have to say google doesn't do small updates besides gingerbread an its suppose to be 4.O that's a big number jump so i am looking for my phone to be able to float with next update lmao
[General Topics] MartyLK:
I'm referring to actual marketshare of RIM. RIM for a very long time has lead the market. Right now the only system to have breached it's strange lead has been Android. That has happened in the recent past...like within a couple months.
[General Topics] PharmCAT:
Well, from what we have seen so far the next iOS will be copying a lot of features from the Android, like the notification bar for example. So technically, yes the iPhone 5 can kill the Android, because it will essentially be a iOS, features that made android stand out, and mix that with the apple logo and apple's marketing, and you have a phone that will sell millions.
[General Topics] bleach168:
Interesting how the chart only goes up to March. Where is the April and May data? Or would that invalidate the hypothesis. ;)
[General Topics] tolis626:
Comparing Apple and Google:

Google:Great software,bad marketing

Apple:Good software,very good marketing

In the end,what saved Android was each company's marketing.Don't be mistaken,Android by itself is a damn sweet piece of software.It needs some fine tuning of the interface and it could blow everything out of the water.What do you guys think?If Google advertised some random Android devices with these cool flying animations for opening/closing windows and some cool transition animations of any launcher available on the market,what do you think would happen?Millions of stupid people who previously bought the iPhone because the mighty Apple said it was good will say that Google's thing is better."Look dad,you open a message and it flies towards you!Hooray!I'm the happiest phone owner in the world!".

That's the kind of thing that brought Apple where it is.They advertised what would attract the naive/stupid.

To be completely straightforward,I don't consider anyone who buys an iPhone stupid.Hell,I'd even buy one myself if they weren't such a$$holes over at Cupertino.It's just that millions of idiots bought iPhones while they only text and make phone calls.Most don't even visit the internet with their phones.And they gave away so much money for it.Tell me if they're not.

My opinion on the topic?Nothing will kill Android-yet.Eventually,it will die someday as everything does.But it will get killed by something really better.It has many companies backing it up,they won't lose to one competitor,even with the competitor being Apple.

And you iPhone fanboys remember,you worship a fruit. ;) :p

(Well,the last one was a joke but anyway)
[General Topics] Jasonhunterx:
It wont die android is life it evolves an wont go away cuz google understands an hopefully they will do that with ics!
[General Topics] bkoon1218:
I still don't understand why people love iPhone so much. I personally think it's hype over Apple products that just gets worse and worse.

Then again, my opinion is biased as an Android fanboy! :D
[General Topics] MartyLK:
There's no denying iPhones and iPods are among the best media players there are. I choose to use my 32GB iPhone 4 as a music player without qualm because the battery life is so good...on par with the Cowons. And the sound is nothing short of excellent. I just wish Apple would go back to the Wolfson chips like they started out with. But what they are using right now is no slouch.

The quality of Apple products...iPhones and iPods and such...is the highest there is. And the style and design is always clean and pleasant and futuristic. But because I find Androids to be slightly more user friendly does not in any way make me hate or dislike my iPhone or iPods in the slightest. On the contrary, I adore them. My iPhone 4 is my main and primary phone that I keep with me at all times. My secondary phone is tossed up between my HD2, Inspire and Focus. My Inspire usually gets the most use of the secondary phone...even more than my iPhone also.

iPhones and Apple products are delights to me and as a red blooded, born & bred, American, I am proud that Apple is the world's leading tech company. But I also love Androids and WP7s. In facvt, the only phone system I can't tolerate is Blackberry. But that's because of the blatantly horrific experience I've had with them. It was so bad that I swore RIM made their phones that bad to gauge how much hate they could endure.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Which chart?

Most sales data is released quarterly, 3 months in a quarter, Jan, Feb and Mar.
[General Topics] ryan14:
android will live on. but what if ios5 became open source?
[General Topics] primo6150:
i love my android. i just hate how the iphone looks.
[General Topics] urxz:
Its just a crazy talk.
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s/marketing/brainwashing/g :rolleyes::p
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
Apple has decent marketing, I give them that, nothing else.
[General Topics] joezilla83:
Apple is very good at zombifying consumers and making them believe that their products are "must have." The truth is that apple actually needs Android to survive as there are no viable competitors at the moment in terms of smartphones. I think people will finally catch on that paying a premium for a white apple logo is just plain senseless.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
It appears Apple may be making a deadly mistake about the next iPhone. According to reports, the next iPhone, rumored to be named the iPhone 4GS, won't bring the significant hardware changes that is currently anticipated. The reports indicate the next significant hardware revision will come with the 6th gen. iPhone 5 in spring 2012.

To me this spells disaster for Apple. They need to pull out all stops and go full steam ahead with major revision...hardware + software... in order to avoid another Mac vs. PC debacle of the '90s with Android. They also need to do it sooner rather than later. Latest reports say a Sep, 2011 introduction of the 5th gen iPhone. They should not only introduce a significantly revised iPhone with hardware/software upgrades, but should do it no later than July of this year.

If they don't pull out all the stops and release a torrent of new and significantly revised and upgraded products sooner this year, it may turn out to be a bad move.

http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Plan...nd+Third+World+Budget+iPhone/article21975.htm
[General Topics] jpog:
I have many friends that have Apple products and they sware by them in almost a Cultish way. They do make Easy to Use Reliable Products that are marketed very well but they are so OVER PRICED!!!

In my mind they will never beat Android and/or PC because its one company against many..and in all honest their technology is usually outdated. The also like to pull the wool over naive peoples easy and customize terms like Retina Display... to add ring...when really it just a high def display.

Anway, check this out its hilarious.and true.

http://i.imgur.com/rVXjO.jpg
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Actually the hardware is cutting edge. The retina display is simply Apple's term for a higher def display as you say. But I have an iPhone 4 and a Super AMOLED equipped phone and I can attest that the iPhone 4's display is the best in the world for color accuracy, resolution and viewing angle quality. It is also just as good as the AMOLED in daylight viewing situations. Not only are Apple products cutting edge, but the iPhone 4 was the first to have the display resolution that it has. Currently there isn't a higher res, mass-market, phone available.

The reason for the high prices of Apple products is because of the high-tech, cutting edge, advanced hardware they use and the super high quality.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Yes, no other phone has an external airplane mode function, totally cutting edge that one!

Remember, as the apple ad says "If you don't have an iPhone 4, you don't have an iPhone 4" ooooo very Zen.
[General Topics] jpog:
I would have to disagree with you on that Marty...basing it on facts..their technology doesn't win..don't get me wrong the display is pretty amazing and it does beat many on number of pixels but the rest is wrong.

For instance:

The NOVA display boasts an incredible brightness. luminosity measures at 700 nits compared to the 500 nits on the similar IPS-LCD on the iPhone 4.

Samsung's latest Super AMOLED Plus technology, found on the Galaxy S II has a higher, punchy contrast, then iphone 4.

The Nova display has a much better outdoor visability then the Iphone 4

In terms of resolution the Iphone obviosuly wins for now...but higher resolution displays are on the way.

Overall the Retina display is better at Color Gamut but it is not as good with the Blacks as Super AMOLED PLUS displays.

The Retina displays Viewing Angle is also not as good as SUper Amoled Plus when actual measurements are taken at severe angles..not that you ever view at these angles but being basing it on facts.

In addition, the iphone 4 only has a VGA front camera, 5 MP back camera and 512 M RAM...none of that compares to what is avaliable now technology wise.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
I've never heard of a NOVA display before this. What mass-market smartphones are using it?
[General Topics] sublimaze:
I had an iphone 4 for two months and I disagree. The samsung amoled completely blows the ip4 away as far as brightness & viewing angle. I'll admit amoleds are a little oversaturated, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, imo. I would take an amoled over a retina display any day of the week.

The reason apple products are overpriced is because they know ppl will buy their products regardless of the exorbitant price tag.
[General Topics] tolis626:
For now only the LG Optimus Black.

Dude,you really believe all you said about the iPhone just now?Well,it's a nice piece of hardware,but still,it's not divine.Compare the screen of the iPhone 4 and the Galaxy S II side by side.Unless you are stupid enought to not zoom when reading text,the extra pixels won't benefit you much.Colors are pretty accurate,I have to give it that,but I think on a smartphone color accuracy isn't that important.A beautiful screen will always be more appreciated.

Last but not least.WARNING-NEEDS SOME SERIOUS BALLS:

Go get a Galaxy S II and an iPhone 4.Drop them from the same height.Tell me which one breaks first.

Thank you! :)
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Where did I say it was divine? I merely said, and should have clarified it for the iPhone 4's release, that it was the only phone available with it's high-tech, cutting edge display. I haven't taken into account what's available as of right now. Apple did it first. Now the market is starting to show higher tech products.

I scratch my head as to how people can hear fanboy'ism from non-negative Apple comments. It's as though the only allowed speech regarding Apple is hate speech. Any other is pandering and pro-Apple. That isn't the case with me. I like them all and hate none of them...except Blackberry...lol

When people read non-negative words about Apple, please take a moment to consider that the author of said words may not be an Apple fanboy. Take his/her whole encyclopedia into account before making a judgement on his/her status.
[General Topics] sublimaze:
No one mentioned "fanboy" until you did. No one said anything about judging others' status except you. But since you brought it up, I read some of your posts in other threads and the words "apple fanboy" do come to mind.

Just sayin'
[General Topics] tolis626:
No,I too don't like it when it's all hate.I only hate Apple for its practices,not its products.

Well,the screen was good enough when it was launched but still,nothing ground-breaking.The screen is just too small to truly observe any real differences.Reminds me of the Diamond.It had a 2.8" VGA screen.Pixel density was phenomenal on paper,but it wasn't that much observable with a naked eye.So,unless you read with a microscope,you haven't really benefitted.

Btw sorry if I offended you. :)
[General Topics] PaulHBK:
Buuurrrrn...

And true. Looking at his post history, it seems as though the dude works for Apple lol...
[General Topics] Danmikee:
People mainly go for Android because of the phones not because of the operating system alone..... if ios5 was on the xperia or galaxy then maybe apple would have higher share in the market.... Google did the right thing by allowing manufactures to put Android on their hardware they sometimes call phones but are actually small smart arse computers
[General Topics] MartyLK:
No offence, just don't want to be considered, or gain the rep, of being an Apple fanboy...or a fanboy of any company. I much desire to be seen as a neutral, unbiased, honest tech lover.

You are right, I hate the smallish size of the iPhone 4 display. I wish Apple would release at least a 4" 300 ppi IPS LCD on the iPhone. And I hope they don't ever try to do 3D. Sheesh...I see no benefit from 3D on such a small display. What I would rather Apple get into other than TVs is media googles that simulate a 3D IMAX experience with at least the display quality of the iPhone 4. Imagine everyone being able to experience the majesty of a 3D IMAX theater movie like Avatar with a set of goggles.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Prove it! Otherwise you are a malicious sort and care only about causing chaos and harm.

On second though, if you prefer, I'll become an Apple fanboy. All it will take is for people like you to harass me for my lack of Apple hate and continue to claim false and malicious lies. One thing I do thrive on is going against the flow. When people try to pressure or manipulate me into doing things their way, I take intense pleasure in opposing them and doing exactly the opposite of what the want.
[General Topics] skyjedi:
I contacted IDC rebuttal and write up here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1135474
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Ice Cream Sandwich better be good... lol

If it is as detailed in google i/o, then I doubt that much would happen to the Android market share when the Iphone 5 launches.
[General Topics] sublimaze:
MartyLK, does any of this sound familiar? It should. It's your own words, and I only looked at the 3 most recent pages of your post history.

Sounds pretty fanboyish to me... :rolleyes:
[General Topics] n.Klug:
Just like the iPhone 4 release, people will most likely go nuts buying it at first, then the 6 "newer" and "better" Android phones will come out at AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, etc., and people will let the iPhone 5 fall by the wayside. It'll be a great phone I'm sure but will also come with plenty of problems at first just like they all do. While it may have more customization than it's predecessors, it still can't compare to what Android has to offer. With technology ever expanding, the "experts" can say what they want about the iPhone 5 taking down everything else on the market now, but even if that did happen, it's "victory" would be short lived.

Sent from my Inc using Nil's Business Gingersense. Now that's Incredible.
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Time to shut you up and put you right in your place. :P

I asked you to prove my Apple fanboy'ism and all you did was screw the bejesus out of yourself...LOL

Spanked!

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[General Topics] xaccers:
Who copied iphone?

Android is completely different, it has a desktop for starters rather than just the app list, the app list scrolls up and down not side to side, it has more than 1 button, can handle widgets natively, has the drag down notification bar that Apple have recently copied.

WP7 has tiles and looks bloody awful, sure it's got things in common with the first iphone such as the lack of features and ability, but I'm pretty sure it too has more than 1 button, and uses lists rather than app icons (oh they do love their lists!)