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[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
If ASUS has used "above-standard" components for the Transformer, then I would say my other electronics have been made using alien technology... I've found nothing spectacular about the components or build quality of the Transformer - there's been a few teardowns that show how cheap the components are (i.e. hair-thin wires for the speakers and cheap soldering).

Not to say the Transformer is "cheap" but it's not above-standard.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ryan stewart:
Where were you seeing thin wires and bad welds? The only teardown I have seen showed a lot of components/connections that look similar to my $2000 laptop. Not really above standard since most are high price point items right now but given that its got a lot that more expensive tablets have they did a great job.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] seshmaru:
Pretty sure the IPS screen is above standard, but we all know screens aren't the most expensive component right? Oh wait they are.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mackdaddy187:
There are things like R&D, employee expenses, transporation costs, blah blah blah that have to be paid or you can pick the dock up ffrom the factory yourself if you want to just pay the cost of materials.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
IPS technology is certainly one of the best you can get, but as far as the quality of the IPS panels on the Transformer has been - it's sub-par at best. Almost everyone is having light bleed issues and several people have had 2, 3, 4 units with problems. Like I said, if ASUS is using above-standard quality components, then my other gadgets were made by aliens or gods... LOL
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Srikar_NBK:
Can you plz let me know where you got the dock for that price ?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Try these guys:

http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/234768/TF101 Docking/ASUS/

There are at least two other dealers that I've seen with similar pricing, but I can't recall their names. I bought mine from staples for $149, but they price matched bestdirect.

Good luck - the dock is awesome!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
No different than the cell phone I am sure you have.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ryan stewart:
Id like to see the ones they are sending back. Every LCD I have seen ever has some sort of light bleed. Mine does but its so minor. Ive seen ipads with worse, being sent back over and over again. Ive seen some that are legitimately problematic but I would guess that 90% of the ones we are seeing are "within spec" for Samsung/LG and people are being picky. its like dead pixels on a digital camera; every single one has them, even the $4000 pro jobbies.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
Cellphones usually get sold with contracts and plans, so there is a significant difference here.

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] DilloDroid:
That seems like a reputable source that is not eating goat meat while dancing the Charleston on top of a 5 story building. How far fetched can you get.? Want something? Buy it. Don't like something? ..take it back. Want to make preposterous statements about something none of us have any control over?...save it. Sometimes this site is something else. :p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] DilloDroid:
that's a great price but when I checked it out there were no options for shipment to the US or even a US address option for an account. great to be Canadian ;) I found one at Sears that would even take my American express gift card as payment I got for Christmas bonus....can't complain.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
There are US dealers selling for the same price, you just need to look! Good luck.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] DilloDroid:
I got one from Sears. It's on the way. I've been looking for about a month. I have seen a few US retailers that show them for close to that price but they are out of stock. I had one take a preorder and charge my card. it took about a week to get them to it back off ...they said we'll have it next week but still don't have them in stock weeks later. Had one the other day say it was in stock online (still list price) so I called to be able to use the gift card...they really didn't have them in stock but would be willing to order it from a distributor that did....for 50 dollars more :eek: no thanks...

it's ok sometimes you pay extra for impatience.

The bad taste of a few dollars more will be long forgotten before the enjoyment of a fine dock will.

Thanks
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Yes, I originally had my dock on order with a company selling for $125, but I was waiting over a month and finally just got it through staples at $149. I'm glad someone posted that link with the $115 price, so I was able to price match, but they did have stock, so I could have ordered through them if I hadn't already received my dock. Yes, sometimes paying more to get sooner is worth it :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
I do agree that I missed the part where they sell the tablet at almost at-cost. I would suggest $450-$500 for the 16GB version as a reasonable MSRP. I can see the logic of hooking a buyer on the tablet's insanely low price... they wouldn't care if the keyboard was overpriced(hence responses in this thread).

It would take about 6-8 hours of my time to draw the shell with fitting screw holes.

My prototyping machine was $14,000US and was subsidized the first month of use. The cost of a single prototype is $2-4US.

Rapid prototyping decreases much of the cost of R&D.

I think you have no idea what you are talking about... I included heavy R&D cost per device that would easily cover any extra unforeseen cost.

Have you designed anything at all? I placed 3rd in an international engineering competition(although most contestants were from the US :P)

I think you missed the part where I include 20% of the cost as R&D.

LOL where do you buy your replacement batteries? Best Buy? Batteries Plus? They have 200% profit margin.

If you were an informed consumer you would realize that you can get a netbook battery for a reasonable price.

http://www.amazon.com/Extended-Capa...XV20/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308896547&sr=8-1

Quick question - do posters in this thread believe HP printer ink is worth anywhere near what HP charges? News flash - it isn't. 400% minimum profit margin.

The logic? Sell printers dirt cheap, overprice ink. Simple.

Here is a $29 HP internal order(0-5% profit).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] husker91:
Chatch, what was your reasoning when starting this thread? Did you think that everyone would agree with you? To prove a point? Or were you just looking for a flame war?

You seem to have your mind set that Asus is ripping us all off, you don't think the keyboard dock is a good deal? Don't buy it then. Or you could use your fancy $14000 prototyping doohickey to make your own dock.

I'm a college student, majoring in Mechanical engineering, and this dock is a godsend. Makes note-taking exponentially easier, I don't have to decipher my handwriting :D , lasts me almost 2 days with the extra battery, support for all my storage devices... At $150, bringing the total tablet cost to $550(a **** load less than the xoom was), what's to complain about? :confused:

Thread should get locked...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bob Smith42:
At Newegg the open-box price on the keyboard is $84 USD.

Good guess, you are probably correct. LOL

PS:

The unfortunate thing about the keyboard is its design flaws, (1) no barrel charger and (2) discharging while closed, e.g. even if you do not *want* to keep charging your tablet, (3) sd card protrudes, guaranteeing it will fall out when you least expect, (4) lots of free space inside could be used, etc.

It needs to be a choice, flip a switch to charge tablet when closed (because my tablet is low, needs a charge) or do nothing (extend the standby battery life for a week or more).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deymayor:
the dock is not a must-have for this tablet and as soon as the USB dongle arrives, this dock will be sold for $99 and i'll finally keep one. had it for about a week before someone offered me $220 so i had to let go.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ryan stewart:
I love comparing a computerized dock to printer ink, a consumable. That is hilairous and further discredits you. So you are thinking ASUS is selling the TF as a loss leader because they expect you to buy a dock every 6 months when the previous one "runs out?" Congrats on winning a design competition, doesnt mean you know jack about actually mass producing a product.

The dock is a one-time hit and some people wont be getting it, I would need to see real evidence that ASUS is taking a big hit on the tablet and making 100% profit on the dock, its not going to happen.

My challenge stands, if someone can build a keyboard dock that does the exact same funtions for less in here then I will eat my hat. Currently even for the competitors docks that do half of the functionalty still cost as much, and these are not 3rd parties with some sort of "loss leader" relationship with apple.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] aligatro2010:
It's all because of the battery cells inside, they are pretty expensive.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rpavich:
I guess I'd start by challenging the OP...what makes you think that pricing on an item is or should be driven by what the components cost? For that matter, even what the whole enchalada costs?

The market is driven by desire/demand and balanced by price. They are charging 150.00 and we are willing to pay it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bithir:
And this is the reason why Apple still sells devices! :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rpavich:
Or anyone else who produces a product for sale...the price is driven by market demand:

What's more valuable... a cup of diamonds or a cup of water?

Diamonds.

Now the situation is that you're in the desert and dying of thirst...now what's more valuable?

Exactly.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uncorq:
Precisely. In economics, you have to look at the buyers sense of utility. Its also why apple accessories make as much $ as they do. You want this thing that *most easily* works with your device. That's economic utility.

I hack together hardware with the best of 'em, to make portable travel kits for my devices. But when I saw how well this thing slipped into my netbook bag I already owned, the kb dock was a no brainer.

Oh wait, I can charge my EVO 4g from the dock's usb port WHILE I charge the TF, during travel, and not carry any extra wall-wart ? TF dock wins again.

The feel of the keyboard is solid, the memory card reader reads pretty much all media I curently use.

At home I have 2 wireless long range wireless kb's with the embedded touchpads, and they're pricy, but useful if you don't sit close to your media center pc. They aren't at all cheap, but they do what I need them to, so I get my value from them even at a price I wish were cheaper.

I suspect the OP is is justified in their perception, but the utility I get from the keyboard accessory didn't even make me hesitate to buy it, and by significant other is already wanting one, to immerse himself in android programming, he can't get over that I use this now as my primary home computing device. It's kind of the "to each, his own" situation I suppose.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] RMXO:
Hopefully the dock will be compatible with their upcoming T3 tablets. If it is, then it's makes it worth buying even more & justifies the cost.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Apparently, the dock will be compatible with future "Transformer" tablets. I believe ASUS said this somewhere.... maybe their facebook page... :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
Not really. You buy a $400-$500 cell phone for $99.00 with a two year plan or full price without a plan. They are loosing money on the phone to recover it on the service.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
Yes, that's what happens with cellphones. Now explain how that is relevant for a tablet with no 3G service or plan?

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
just following up

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...x-_-ReplicatorsDockingStations-_-34991427-L0B

$134 :p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ebsebs:
Even cheaper ($125.22) at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-Keyboard-Transformer-TF101-DOCKING/dp/B004U78628/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314192385&sr=1-3
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ryan stewart:
Since this thread got revived, did anyone who argued that ASUS was ripping them off with the dock manage to build something that does all of the same functionality for considerably less money?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] DilloDroid:
Does anyone know if these cheaper docks are the pre B6O versions or returns that you need to RMA and pay shipping to get fixed?

I'd say the dock cost what it cost because thats what it cost, You get it cheaper if you can..if not you get it or you don't.

No amount of complaining here will lower the suggested retail price.

Docks were cheaper in Europe and Ca. but the tablets were usually a bit higher,
[Eee Pad Transformer General] RRtexasranger:
What is with people complaining about everything these days? Here we have Asus bringing one of the cheapest and better tablets to the market with a very innovative tablet/netbook hybrid idea with the dock and we just have people complaining that it wasn't cheap enough for them.

Oh, and there's nothing less convincing them someone posting USED parts from ebay when they're trying to say that the keyboard should be cheaper.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] davidboyd:
I just ordered mine from Amazon and paid $85, which included 2 day shipping. If you sign up for their credit card, they give you a $40 gift card. This brought the $125.22 down to $85.22. If you sign up for a free month trial of Amazon Prime, you get free 2 day shipping on all orders.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bjd223:
My $1000 dollar 32" Apple S-IPS display at work has a little light bleed. The only way to get away from it is to move to technologies without backlights like OLED, etc. But they do not even have a 10" AMOLED or SAMOLED display yet for tablets.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stcardinal:
I'm not sure if I'd ever buy a dock. I just like the option of being able to get one. But realistically I won't get one unless it's like $50 or something.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Realistically, you can't even find a standard bluetooth keyboard for that much. Not to mention the fact that it won't feature android keys, nor will it provide power to your transformer. $100 for a dock when you bundle it with the TF is a steal! I paid $115 when they first came out and couldn't be happier!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gadgetfann:
$150 was worth it for me. I've paid more than that for an extra battery for some of my Sony laptops. $150 for a keyboard & battery for the TF seemed like a bargain to me by comparison.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
I consider $150 for the dock to be perfectly acceptable. Hell, I paid $100 for my ZaggMate keyboard case for my iPad 1 and it had a tiny battery just for itself, no trackpad, no USB, no SD and smaller keys!

$150 is a good deal for the docking station, in my opinion! Especially since Asus is the only one with a docking station so far (that I know if - Im sure there are others)...

Everyone just likes to complain - like someone else said, until someone else makes them and sells them for less, it's hard to complain about the price....
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] forgetmyname:
Hi there,

I have MultiCSC OXXKE2 installed. I see that the list contains these codes:

AUT, COS, CYO, DBT, DCM, DNF, EUR, FWB, KOR, LUX, NEE, OMN, ORG, ORS, PAN, PLS, SEB, SUN, SWC, TMS, TPH, VDH, VIA, VOM, XEE, XEH, XEO, XEZ, XSK), ITVKE2 (ITV), XENKE1 (XEN), H3GKD4 (H3G), OXF (Cosmote)

The current Pcode on my 'phone is DBT.

Is there one for the Netherlands? I think it might be NEE, but this could well be Nigeria Norwegian or elsewhere.

Regards.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkienzle:
How do I get this off my phone every time I try to flash anything else it just reboots the phone?

Oh I run Linux so no Odin one clicks for me :( but that's ok I got me some heimdall goodness :)

Thanks for any and all advice...

Sent from innerspace on my hacked telly...
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcord11758:
Flash stock using heimdall, make sure repartition is selected
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkienzle:
Thanks this is what i ended up doing in case anyone else cares...:rolleyes: lol

I took the I897UKC1 stock rom Here and flashing it with heimdall then i flashed the Fugu fish root hack here then i did what dg so generously put together Here..

Thanks everyone for there help if any of them guys see it lol...
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] ak4life23:
The Best sgs4g Theme I've seen great job sir keep it up. Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] zenofsong:
That's the truth
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] ak4life23:
Only problem I'm having is with the MTM keyboard. Even with the patch it always FC every time I try to switch to it
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] zenofsong:
Try a fresh flash. Leeave it for twenty mins and reboot. Then try the patches.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] CozzaFrenzyy:
cant wait for the final release should be coming soon i hope
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] robbbbit:
This shouldn't have been started. If you have an issue pertaining to black ice, post it there. Threads like these make it hard when looking for something specific, etc.

Werd.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] rickyy00:
Its not a theme btw
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mad_fitter:
+1 I've been in forums for a few years now....this is on the brink of chaos. Would a little organization kill us, really?

I can navigate the hell out of threads, but this is getting difficult for me even. Three threads talking about the same exact thing when there is already a thread specifically for that issue....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh (my brain hurts)
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] ak4life23:
I'm sure you guys were newbies ones which means you can't just post in the development section. So ease up its not the end of the world.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] ak4life23:
Yea Black Ice is not a theme, what I mean is the use of wallpapers, icons the notification bar and lock screens are great don't you call that the theme. Hello common sense.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] rickyy00:
sure call it what you want. The themes mr apoxalypse black knight ported from the vibrant
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] regretz:
lol great instructions again btw. i've wasted more time fiddling with mounts combos and permissions than with the actual rom today lol
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] danstheman7:
Would a little kindness kill you, ak4life23?

All we want to do is keep the forums organized.

No, it isn't a big deal that you made one mistake. But I think we'd all appreciate next time that you didn't do this.

Second, this isn't a theme, it's a ROM. The ROM includes a theme Krylon ported from another source. So, common sense would be that you called the actual theme the CORRECT name, "Mr. Apoc Black Knight Theme", and not "Black Ice".

And no matter what you modify, what **most** people call a theme is a ZIP you can flash that changes the wallpapers, colors, notification bars, or lock screens.

Not to be overly critical or rude, but just saying as a fellow user.

Thank you :]
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] RaverX3X:
when did they change that u couldnt post on the dev forums as a new user cause umm my firsts posts were on those same forums intrusting but ya its nice what u posted but tbh for sake of the forums the questions should have been directed to the thread that already contains the rom
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] rickyy00:
Couldn't of said it better myself
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] ikhtiaralam:
This rom is amazing.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] regretz:
Wow this rom is sick... i just barely finished doing a backup of stable#1 and was just about to load up and flash the new release just a few minutes ago.. stable#2. But.. after just 2 reboots the 1st build is moving around like butter, AMAZING ROM over and over again from krylon
[Verizon Droid Charge] jdkzombie:
So far, i have been using iMediashare off the android marketplace to play my music across wifi to my xbox 360. But its very unstable. Sometimes 3 songs play then some fail somewhere, others it plays like a champ. Is there a way to just plug this damn thing into the usb port on the 360 to play it that way? i have tried both media player and mass storage options when connection but its a no go. perhaps one of you out there has a great solution available. sans usb stick. i suppose i could burn a mp3 cd with a crap load of songs and then rip them to the harddrive but good lord, with the amount of music i have, itd take all day lol.
[Defy General] mindugo:
Finally Vodafone DE released Froyo update, it's available on Motorola Software Update.

Could anybody share the SBF? Thanks a lot.
[Defy General] mpiekp:
I thought, this was an OTA update?
[Defy General] mindugo:
I can see it on Motorola Software Update site (direct.motorola.com) with pdf description (Blur_Version.3.4.2.179.4.4.MB525VF360.DE.v8.pdf). Doesn't it mean that the update is also available on MSU ?
[Defy General] tim440:
Am looking for the same for Vodafone España. Need to put official firmware on before sending the phone back to get the earpiece repaired for the second time.
[Defy General] mpiekp:
Yes it is now available on msu, please upload the sbf.
[Defy General] tim440:
Vodafone España Official Froyo sbf
[Defy General] mindugo:
German version still wanted.
[Defy General] andyecht:
Vodafone DE Defy Froyo

Hi @all,

Vodafone DE Froyo is available. My Boss did this update on Sunday over the air.

I make the retail update a few days earlier.

I want to change to Vodafone DE Froyo, but ota it is not available for me.

Can anybody share it??

THX,

Andy
[Defy General] uzi74:
I've received the Voda DE OTA update 2 days ago, my phone is not rooted (yet). If you still need the SBF please post the steps I shall execute and I try to create it. (I have been falshing my other phones only, not the defy)
[Defy General] mindugo:
To get SBF file you need to update your phone using Motorola Software Update (MSU) on PC. Copy SBF file from firmware folder in MSU installation directory right after the download phase.

Thanks for your help.
[Defy General] uzi74:
I've installed the update OTA, MSU is not downloading anything for me unfortunately
[Defy General] RocketChef:
Is there still some interest in the VF.de update? We have about 60 devices in our company and I just downloaded the sbf and msu. Are both needed? I will try to upload it somewhere.
[Defy General] Gusar321:
Yes, I'm interested, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
[Defy General] RocketChef:
http://netload.in/dateiynBbGHSOUK/J...YOVFDE_P022_A020_M002_HWp3_Service1FF.sbf.htm

There you go. Tell me if the .msu is also needed.

Edit:

Tested it myself with stock-froyo on a VF.de device (for testing). Looks like all the others now and worked fine with RSD Lite.
[Defy General] mindugo:
Thank you, downloading now.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] nish7x:
I was lying down on the ground and my phone just slipped from my hand and fell on the floor.. although it was hardly any height, just chest high. After a few minutes I checked my phone and there was no network, neither was the sound working.

I've tried re-flashing firmwares.. Villian, then KPE.. no use. If you try to play music, it'll show it is playing, however you can't hear anything, neither from the speakers nor from the earphones.

It shows me an airplane icon on the status bar, however the Flight Mode isn't ticked, and even if I try to tick it, it tries to enable for a while but returns back to unticked state.

Any solutions? Apart from approaching the service center :(
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] casiocas:
Try to pull out your SIM(before you must shut down your phone) and but it back then. Restart your phone. Maybe you can solve the AIRPLANE mode, but for NO sound, I dont know. Maybe you damaged something in HARDWARE(hope you dont damaged). Try to shut down your phone, like 10-15 min.(pull out your battery too) and then try again. Fingers crossed that it works!

CHEERS! :cool: