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[Atrix 4G General] DDRMSTRPRO:
And this is how sheep are formed. Taking someone else's opinions as fact, and not forming their own.

Before you put down a decision, why don't you use both phones?

Nothing else on ATT comes close, nothing on Verizon comes close, Nothing on Sprint comes close except for the Evo 3D, and on T-Mobile, only the Sensation and G2X are even in the same ballpark.

Yes, in terms of stock, the SGS2 may have the Atrix pinned a corner.

However, we're on XDA. Stock matters very little here, beyond what's in the box.

Now that our bootloader is unlocked, you've lost your key advantage.

TBH, i really didn't like the Cappy's screen. Too much color saturation for my tastes. Now, the Atrix on full brightness, that's a pretty good screen, but each to their own, i guess.

Let's OC both phones to 1.7 and we'll see who comes out on top, not to mention the fact that we've got other hardware features that the SGS2 can't even come close to matching.

Come at me bro!

Your move.
[Atrix 4G General] DDRMSTRPRO:
The only reason i brought up the SGS1 was that i haven't had my hands on a SGS2 yet, and anything that isn't available is immediately inferior to what is available.

I don't care if it's made from diamond, if you can't use it, it's inferior.
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
A Galaxy S2 with Tegra 2 was just benchmarked at around 4000 stock.

I think that ends that BS.
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
Do you have a link for that?
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
That's quite normal if you realize an S2 running gingerbread which has to utilize %35 less pixels than atrix(froyo)...
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
It's on GSM Arena iirc
[Atrix 4G General] azwildfire:
I have owned a bell Atrix and a Galaxy S2. S2 was nice - but i like the form factor and docking accessories of the Atrix. The webtop is also something I use a lot and enjoy.

Aside from the network - the atrix is still my favorite phone.

Currently I am using a T-bolt on Verizon for the 4g tethering. I hope Verizon's Bionic or whatever they call it - comes out soon or i may just go back to AT&T despite how crappy their network is.
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
This is how much your life sucks? Trolling phone forums?
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
Yeah. :o:o:o:p;););):D:D:(:(:rolleyes::rolleyes::mad:
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Stay has more sub pixels than the atrix. The screen is much nicer imo' the attic pantiles is awful.

My battery life has been much better with my what's well.

The build quality on the stay is much bette r too
[Atrix 4G General] stratax:
+111111111111
[Atrix 4G General] stratax:
honestly the only thing i want from the sgs2 is the cameras, both front and back are great. compared to ours. other than that... hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, no.

I like my pentile display i can actually see the display when im not inside. and it saves alot of battery.
[Atrix 4G General] koryp924:
i mean sgs2 is proly better but srsly not when it costs 7 - 8 times as much laf
[Atrix 4G General] designgears:
My thoughts after using both...

CPU

--speed: sgs2

--features: sgs2 (atrix lacks support for neon)

--heat: neither (they both get very warm!)

GPU

I haven't tested games yet, but on paper, sgs2 wins.

Screen

--resolution: Atrix

--size: sgs2

--colors: sgs2 (plenty of color profiles if you don't like stock settings, saturation is not an issue)

--viewing angle: sgs2

--viewable in sun: neither (bright desert sun, cant see anything!)

Sound

--volume: sgs2

--speaker: sgs2

--ear piece: atrix

--clarity: equal

--headphones: equal

Cameras

--front: sgs2

--back: sgs2

GPS

--all: atrix (samsung can't seem to get it as good as anyone else)

Wifi

--channels: sgs2 (14)

--bands: sgs2 (5Ghz support)

Build

--size: atrix (sgs2 is just a tad to big for my liking)

--shape: atrix (again, due to the size)

--weight: atrix (sgs is lighter, but that makes it feel like a cheap toy)

--thickness: atrix (sgs2 is thinner, but sometimes a pain to hold onto without a case)

Charging

--time: sgs2 (usb or wall, atrix requires more juice!)

Battery Life

--all: atrix (superamoled+ is a battery eating whore!)

HDMI

--cables: atrix (sgs2 requires you to purchase a cable, atrix cable is included)

--playback: atrix (awesome interface for media management)

Interface

touchwiz > moto blur (imo)

Price

--no options: atrix (the atrix is only $3-400 on ebay, $800 for sgs2)

--all options: atrix

Which one is better?

That depends on your use. Raw power is meaningless if it doesn't fit your needs. Overclocking is not taken into consideration here, measure your epeen in the privacy of your own home please.
[Atrix 4G General] ekerbuddyeker:
Owned both. Kept the atrix.

Here's a good test: go stand in direct sun and try to read email: ATRIX wins hands down.
[Atrix 4G General] eddhard:
I tried the galaxy2 but I ended up going with the ATRIX for two main reasons. I think the bile quality is more sturdy and gives the phone a nice weight and the battery life compared to the sanding is excelent. The sanding I had to charge twice a day where on the ATRIX my battery will last a whole day of heavy use, gaming music and internet radio. I think the ATRIX is a well thought out and well made bit of kit.
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
take a look in my benchmark before, with froyo i got this, imagine with gingerbread!

https://plus.google.com/100475363265234255970/posts/dq1ds3Fdf9H

and now with bl unlocked for att, and futurely unlocked to all(in the end of july we'll have some official releases), atrix will have more development than SII, since we already have cm7 beeing worked on(check cmstats.cyanogenmod.com and search our dear olympus in there)
[Atrix 4G General] bosbrucec:
I can't speak to Galaxy S2 GPS, but before getting my Atrix I looked at a few Youtube videos comparing Samsung Droid Charge 4G to Atrix and noticed that tell-tale (from my old Captivate which was the best phone to that point except useless GPS) no fix problem. A coworker got the Charge and I got the Atrix... Side by side, there is no comparison as Samsung still doesn't seem to know how to put a decent GPS in many of their phones.

Hopefully SGS2 has a decent GPS in it, but I wouldn't buy another Samsung phone (since I'm a GPS nut) without thoroughly testing GPS first (or ability to return it).
[Atrix 4G General] bosbrucec:
Awesome detailed comparo, designgears!

Lots of interesting fan boy comments in either direction in this thread (But your post seems nicely balanced) - these are both the cream of the crop devices, each with lots of reasons why someone might prefer it to the other.

Just to throw in my $.02 :

Samsung went with Tegra 2 for their Galaxy 10.1/8.9 tablets ... Why? Possibly because of NVidia developer program and T2 games? Or possibly because the otherwise-faster Exynos chip in SGS2 can't handle 1280x800 as well as T2? Or maybe some other random reason but I found this interesting.

I don't think anyone can say SGS2 screen is better or worse than Atrix. Atrix is higher resolution, which for some things (IMO browsing at varied zoom levels) makes it a lot better. One can certainly say SGS2 screen is more impressive to look at (even Captivate screen is more vibrant) for many things, but 800x480 (no matter how many subpixels to make it look smooth!) could be a deal breaker for some.

Form factor, I love the size of the Atrix, though it is incredibly generic looking. I like that I can get an OEM back cover on eBay for $14, but wish someone would come up with a replacement back cover that didn't creak and looked more interesting.

All the talk of lag is likely to go on forever ... if you have lots of (motoblur or other) widgets on your screens or CPU hog dynamic background, either will lag. iOS is the smoothest here because it has a kindergarten NxM matrix to scroll and no dynamic (or even shifting) backgrounds, but would I trade off Android widget functionality to get that kind of smoothness? No way. Without the exact same display manager, widgets, apps running background, etc... I'd say any comparisons on lag are not to be taken very seriously.

If given the choice for same $$, if I tested and could live with the possibly problematic Samsung GPS, I'd go with the SGS2 as it looks more impressive in it's physical design and screen vibrance and seemingly has a bit better CPU (just not GPU).

But I don't have the choice and will be perfectly happy with my Atrix 4G when Motorola/AT&T release Gingerbread with unlocked bootloader and ability to sideload apps as both have promised. I do find the higher resolution very helpful a lot of the time. And maybe someday a lapdock hack will make that cool concept really useful!

BTW, when I used dark backgrounds and selected text (email, etc) with white on black on my Super AMOLED Captivate, I got much better battery life than with light backgrounds... So I think how the SGS2 screen is setup can make a much bigger impact on battery life than on Atrix 4G where you have one light level for the whole screen so even if you only want one bright pixel you are taxing your battery. Likewise of course with apps/widgets running though that should be similar on both phones... I get great battery life on my Atrix 4G except on the occasion when apps like SpeedTest go nuts and I have to manually kill them before my battery dies...

Let's just be happy we can afford either of these phenomenal gadgets and not sling mud at the other!
[Atrix 4G General] designgears:
Just thought I would comment on the AMOLED, it works that way because each pixel/sub-pixel on the screen is an led, so if it is off, no power is being used unlike the single back-light source of an LCD screen.
[Atrix 4G General] Souai:
there was a battery test a fair while back comparing a samsung galaxy s amoled vs samsung galaxy s s-lcd. with black backgrounds on both phones, the amoled battery lasted four times longer (on max brightness). with white backgrounds on both, the amoled battery died twice as fast compared to the s-lcd (on max brightness).

im curious to see whether anyone tries to implement the tegra3 into a phone. at the moment, i would assume its unlikely since the 40nm manufacturing process will make it a large and hot chip. but when they bump it down to 28nm, the temp and size should no longer be an issue. the more interesting thing about the tegra3 is the gpu design. the tegra 2 uses an older design with 4 pixel shaders and 4 vertex shaders (essentially a 4 core design). the tegra3 uses the current unified shader design, with each core containing a pixel shader and a vertex shader. so since the tegra3 has 12 unified cores, it should be at least 3x faster than the tegra2 gpu, and thats before adding in clock speed differences and driver optimisations.
[Atrix 4G General] Rred:
"Wifi

--channels: sgs2 (14)

--bands: sgs2 (5Ghz support)"

That's funny. My Atrix detects my 5GHz 802.11n network and uses it with no complaints. The Wifi connection is weak, compared to my laptop, but that's something else again. Dunno that Samsung would do any better in milliwatts but it certainly doesn't provide any better channel/band support.

FWIW.
[Atrix 4G General] stratax:
its funny when people complain about that.. most people dont even have half that speed in their home to test it.. lmfao
[Atrix 4G General] JohnMonsour:
The S2 hands down. But I do love my atrix and now that the bootloader is unlocked im hoping we will get this thing cygmod and overclock to 1.5 ghz........ We have 1 gb of ram. Our phones are ridiculous.....
[Atrix 4G General] preskovik:
money

In france, the Atrix is now sold for 1Euro whereas the SGS II is sold for 200Euro if you buy it with Orange. So the choice is easier for us, if you want the best quality / price ratio :)
[Atrix 4G General] madnav:
comparing a phone with one that costs twice as much is enough evidence that it has much better vfm than the other one.

sgs2 is better device and most will purchase the same if price was equal.

but until then, atrix wins!!
[Atrix 4G General] EclipseX:
the sgs2 its much but much more smoth then atrix with live wallpapers fly free :P

about webtop....I will see many mods copy from atrix for all the phones with hdmi ports xD....see other forum....even htc evo :O....thats really good ideia.....but think now......atrix have that advantage, but now others devs copy that ideia to others phones....soo.....whats the advantage of atrix now?! laptop and dock media center....yeah right :(
[Atrix 4G General] JohnMonsour:
Thing is we will most likely have an overclockable kernel here soon. Also we have nvidia Tegra processor which is a huge advantage. Don't know what the ramdacs are clocked at but oncr we start getting custom kernels. We can change voltages for the ram and the CPU, I would almost call it an APU due to how it works, and this phone runs cool. The battery just gets hot but that should be expected considering we have the biggest battery on the market.... so it can handle overclocking with higher voltages... plus I'm going.to mod my battery with a slim 20mm fan and a very slim and small alluminum heatsink on top of the battery with a peeled off label and some good old article silver and a custom under over clamp using flat alluminum and wire two blue leds up around the fan. and run a pressure switch under the finger print sensor. Then hopefully a Devoloper will make a apk that uses superuser to allow for different clocking profiles. Or maybe do away with super user and give a custom Tom upgrade with full administrative privliges and have a toggable UAC in applications or a whole tab with administrative options. Man I wish I knew how to program for this phone. Anyone want to give me some lessons over Skype maybe like twice a week with some homework in freetime. I can program in c++ and Vb and that's it. But cool ideas? Then we could kill the sgs 2 and we have 1st party accessories like the keyboard and mouse. And we can always make a custom webtop. **** maybe even lindows or even windows or Osx or dual bootload options off the SD card with a custom apple ios... how cool would that be????!!! This phone is future proof for a couple of years till we all have upgrades again and time to send our old trusty matrixes to the phone graveyard the sky is the limit.....
[Atrix 4G General] xepter:
P.S./O.T. it seems designgears got atrix again =P
[Atrix 4G General] lilhaiti:
A lot of you are going on and on about benchmarks and hardware. What it boils down to is software and real world performance. ROM for ROM (stock), the Samsung will win all day, even with Froyo. Motorola's stock ROM's are notoriously wonky (look at the Droid X). You can have all of the hardware in the world but if you don't have good software, you are spinning your wheels. Benchmarks tell you little about how the device will perform in the realworld. Most benchmarking software is optimized for certain types of hardware. Case in point, the GMC Typhoon matched or outperformed the 300ZX and Ferrari 348t in most categories on paper, but when on the track it was no contest. I've used both, and I will say that the Atrix and the SGS2 perform comparably in realworld situations, and the few time the SGS2 outperformed the Atrix, it seemed more software than hardware (but the SGS2 was not without fault).

I would say that this battle is a matter of preference and patience rather than which phone is truly better, there isn't much that either of these phones can do that the other cannot with similar results. Yes the SGS2 has had a bit of a developmental head start but I do believe that the Atrix is worthy opponent that can more than hold it's on against the SGS2.

To the OP...I would do the trade, sale the SGS2 and buy another Atrix (or two if you find them cheap on Ebay) and pocket the change.
[Atrix 4G General] Mister J:
I can't believe I just read all that... on my inspire 4g

inb4 flame war
[Atrix 4G General] brdl04:
I don't care if my phone works or not... .As long as the benchmark score is high, that is what makes a good phone...

I may not be able to call you, but my planets swirl around much smoother than yours do.
[Atrix 4G General] EclipseX:
LOL, thats crazy....do you know what? I have an desire z, with custom sense 3.0....quadrante, linkpack and others benchmark give me a superior scores comparing to my atrix....soo you sound like you prefer desire z then atrix? Lol

I already have 2 days a sgs2 from friend....its very smoth, big...i love it.....but you know what??? Its super ugly device.....still prefer htc hd2
[Atrix 4G General] Magnetox:
You missed the sarcasm.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DanVanBam:
I am a normal user, not a developer. Had my desire for about a year now, its quite decent, I think I am gonna keep it when my contract runs out. Althought sometimes it freezes and forces apps to close.

It is very standard, android 2.2 with basic apss, sat nave being the most usefull app.

How do I get more out of this phone?

What will exactly rooting do? If I was to successfully root it (with your help obviously, i hope you have some good tutorials on here), is it likely that it will crash and brick later on?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k3lcior:
No way of bricking it if you follow all the steps, even if you screw up something it's really hard to brick it completly... ;)

Root is giving you multiple advantages, its all on the forums tho just have a read!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vnvman:
Rooting is a relatively risk-free procedure. Having root access means you'll be able to flash custom roms and modify/remove/add system apps, plus you'll be able to overclock or underclock for battery saving purposes. Other than this you'll be able to remove ads from free apps, plus much more things i can't recall.

Rooting is the first thing to do, then, if you want top performances you should really try out a custom rom, maybe an aosp one (aosp are the fastest, hands down). I'd recommend you to use Oxygen 2.1.4, bug free, insane battery life, really fast and even more stable than stock. Imho the best you can do is using Oxygen with its custom partition table and no ext partition: so you can keep all of the sd storage for your music, photos, videos or whatever you want, and you'll still have room for 80+ apps on the phone, and having all of the rom on nand makes it even faster. In order to do this you have to follow the s-off procedure and then flash the oxygen hboot, there is plenty of tutorials for all of this, just use the search function.

Actually if you wanna jump in and enjoy the epicness of Desire roms (we got some of the best devs ever playing with this device) you really should setup your android debug bridge (adb) on your pc: it's a program packed with drivers that will help you controlling your device for debug purposes and is essential for flashing radios, recoveries, partition tables, pushing apps to the system partition and much more things really handy. There are many tutorials also about that, it takes some minute to setup correctly but it's essential if you wanna play with android for real.

I hope i pretty much covered the matter, feel free to ask whatever you want.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DanVanBam:
Thanks, that helps.

I will attempt to root it over next weekend.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MatDrOiD:
Nice tutorial:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
Can I buy a charger cable and split open the ends to fast charge this device? The battery should handle 4A no problem. It's safe to keep the charge rate below 2C, which is 3300*2/1000 = 6.6A. 4A would charge it from 10% to 100%(battery capacity, not what is displayed on the screen) in 50 minutes.

The charger it comes with supplies up to 2A@5v. Not sure why it's 5v if it's a 2S battery pack. Maybe it has balance pins?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Digiguest:
Sure. Just make sure that you have the fire department on standby....and possibly an ambulance as well.

Hell why not just take a hammer to it and save yourself the FF fee?

/sarcasm.

Seriously....though...do NOT mess around with chargers. It will only bite you in the arse in the end.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] coltronathon:
I'd be interested in this too... although I haven't seen the battery (I ordered my transformer last night!)

It would appear you'd be safe doing that - but heat could be a big concern so I would definitely monitor it the whole time. Also 5V = USB voltage.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
LiPo batteries don't heat up when you charge them. Only when discharging. I charge my LiPos at 5A all the time and they are 1800mAh, not 3300mAh.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
Anything above 2S shortens the battery life. LiPos do heat up on charge. Apparently you have never had a pack with a bad cell burst into flames. Do a quick search on lipo charging and you will see all kids of cautions on charging.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
I have a puffed 3S 1800mAh 15C pack right next to me. It's only dangerous if you charge above 4.25v. Those idiots who cause fires either short them out or charge them to 4.3v+

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-55244.html

etc.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
watched an experienced pilot next to me flame a 10S 5000mAH pack that just had a bad cell due to age.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] chatch15117:
a 10S? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

I'm dealing with 3S and 2S here :o
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
I was under the impression that the charger suppliers 2A@5v to regular USB devices, but to the TF it supplies 1.2A@15V.

Regards,

Dave
[Optimus One, P500, V General] ratheeshraj:
What's meant by void and devoid rom.?

What's the difference between them?I Googled it ..but not a satisfactory answer.

Or its just the verbal meaning.?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] mihir287:
Check the respective threads and you will find the differences and similarities.

PS : A little more detailed title wouldn't hurt.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] ratheeshraj:
Thanks for the help.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] CarreoJ:
Devoid was the successor of Void. Void is just a minimalist ROM where its almost stripped off the applications a normal stock ROM would have.

You can check out the major difference between these two ROMS on the threads for you to find out more detailed information.