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[EVO 4G General] waterbound:
I heard if you hold the phone at a 42.4 degree tilt (has to be exact) for 2.2 minutes at exactly 4p EST on any Thursday, the phone will reboot itself. Even this reason won't keep me from getting the 3D. Will I get it launch day, no way. I'll wait to the major (if any) bugs are ironed out first. My point, its my opinion if I want to hold off on buying it based on what I have heard etc. Thats all the OP is doing, giving his opinion on why or why not he will buy or hold off buying the EVO 3D.

No reason to disrespect him or his beliefs, he started this post to bring information to the table and respect and acknowledge that. THIS is a prime exmple of what XDA is slowly becoming. Anyone posts anything nowadays and they are instantly on thin ice due to the fall out of people giving you a hard time.

Personally, I will wait until bugs are fixed, and things such as battery, display are verified..plus I love the EVO and it will be hard to say good bye after only a year but its technology and I will have sucker written on my forhead as soon as I see posts on 6/25 saying they love the speed, the battery lfe, display etc..I will be jelous and have one within 24hrs :)
[EVO 4G General] #Winning#:
Just curious how did you end up selling it? I have considered the same thing but I can't afford not having a phone til the 3d comes out.
[EVO 4G General] Biofall:
I WISH XDA was becoming a place where someone would present an idea, and for the most part people would intelligently and hilariously post contradictions to provide the best knowledge base on topic.
[EVO 4G General] waterbound:
+1

Then again, its a forum and just because we believe it should be run that way doesn't mean it has to. Everyone has their opinion and right to voice it their way but I hear ya and agree (IMHO)
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
IPHONE 5 ON SPRINT!!!!! *Honda cop voice*

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
Originally, my plan was to sell it on eBay right around now and activate an old phone I have until I get the 3D next week (I'm #1 on the list at a local Radio Shack I pre-ordered it at so I'm sure I'll get one on release day). However, I didn't have to do that because a friend of mine said he would buy it from me to flash it over to MetroPCS. Evos on eBay are selling for a little over $200 right now, so anyone who has an extra Sprint phone laying around can take that approach if they wanted to.
[EVO 4G General] Biofall:
Literally burst out laughing.
[EVO 4G General] #Winning#:
Hmmm I don't have an extra phone laying around so I will have to figure out something. I considered posting it on Craigslist but noting that I won't be able to hand the phone over until the launch day for the 3d.
[EVO 4G General] plmiller0905:
That's what I'm.going to do as well. I'm at least gonna wait till September. By that time the EVO 3D would have been out for awhile to see what issues if any come up, the Samsung Within should be out by then and then there's news about the possibility of the iPhone coming to Sprint. With so many phones coming out..I don't want to rush into anything.
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
The viewing angle is really really bad. Did anyone listen to the Android Central podcast last night? It was a major topic. It's one of the worst in recent phones according to Phil. And trust me, it is a bigger deal than you think. I don't know about you guys, but I am constantly watching clips, text, articles, etc with someone next to me.
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
iPhone? Did you really just bring up the iPhone? That eliminated any credibility or worth to your comments. FAIL!
[EVO 4G General] fernando sor:
+1 with my incredible I have three batteries and an external charger. Best money I ever spent. I dev here and am always flashing, modding etc. I never worry about power.
[EVO 4G General] tim.tahtinen:
I remember Phil talking about how the 3D viewing angles are bad; that there's not a smooth transition in the 3D effect as you go left and right in the viewing angle. It gave him a headache because it would only be clear every 2 degrees; in between, it would make him cross-eyed. But I don't remember him complaining that the screen's non-3D viewing angles were poor.

I'm in the wait-and-see boat too -- mainly because my upgrade isn't until October -- but, honestly, if the 3D effect is the only thing keeping someone from buying Sprint's "Sensation with 3D", then you're missing out on the larger picture. I think Phil made it clear: it is the fastest Android phone he has ever used, the fastest phone currently on Sprint, and his love of Sense 3.0 made it worth (most of) the faults.

Just like Wimax: if you don't have 4G service in your area, or if it unacceptably kills your battery life, don't use it. If the 3D gives you a headache, don't use it.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Just get an SGS 2 and move on. People will read all the reviews and decide for themselves. Looks like you made up your mind a while ago and are just hoping more people, devs get the Sammy POS tor your benifit.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
It has the biggest battery of any cell phone out there and is the only with a qHD SLCD 3D screen. How is that falling short?
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
I'd rather root and customize my phone with a better mod to save battery thatn put up with Sam-****'s crappy radios.

Good luck with the GS2 when your GPS won't connect, or barely connects. You'll have trying every supposed fix that comes out
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
Good luck with your 30 fps cap, OTA updates that brick your phone, light leakage, terrible battery life, poorly designed charging port that easily breaks, and mediocre camera.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
30 fps cap? Xda solved.

OTA= warranty.

Light leaks= opinion

Battery life= Xda

Charging port= customer abuse.

Camera= you got me there.

In the end your post is about the OG EVO.

EVO 3d here I come!!!!
[EVO 4G General] fernando sor:
Actually the camera will.produce good pictures based on higher screen resolution
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
I was just posting examples of how imperfect HTC is, like all manufacturers, yet when it comes to the HTC fanboys they can do no wrong.

30 FPS was lame as heck and we all know it. It was completely arbitrary and was an issue for the first couple months of the EVO.

OTA bricking is a terrible inconvenience. What kind of awful quality control does HTC have to issue an OTA update that bricked phones?

How is light leakage an opinion? It is an issue for a large number of EVO owners.

Battery life sucks for all HTC phones. Pretty dumb that we have to hack it in order for it to get a reasonable level of acceptability. And I am not saying Samsung is better in this regard.

Charging port is not related to customer abuse. This is a well known and documented flaw in the design of the EVO. LINK

Camera quality for HTC has been sub par for most of their phones.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
ota that bricks? it happens with all of them, they had to pull the epic update for the same reason.

What's really embarrassing is this... (hint: paragraph starts with "Even though")

http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/091172a81604c8a0?pli=1
[EVO 4G General] fernando sor:
hey bro you were asking for civility. dropping f bombs is a good way to get a thread closed and member suspended
[EVO 4G General] m4rk0358:
Good catch. I went ahead and edited the word. My bad.
[EVO 4G General] fernando sor:
Word
[EVO 4G General] tropicalbrit:
This is what I say...

If you want a phone with good build quality, software updates,dev support, and screen resolution, go HTC.

If you want a nice screen, better camera, and a colorful UI, go Samsung.

If you want a shiny phone and lack all creativity, get an iPhone.

As a person who has owned an Epic and Evo, I can say that I love my Evo more. But to each his own, I say. Play with the phones, try out different things on each phone. Choose whichever phone you want to, and tel people why you like it.
[EVO 4G General] malexxran:
well put my friend..
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
I can live with 30 FPS, because I don't play angry birds on my phone and HBO Go is looking good and as said, XDA has made this phone better, as will the GS2 be a better phone (Although you may find SDX is doing more for it than XDA devs are), but you cannot fix substandard hardware and a charging port can be replaced or repaired.

Samsung has never even acknowledged that the radios on their phones suck, even though you can find thousands of people complaining about it on Android forums all over the internet.

Sorry, but GPS is an important, no a necessary feature of these devices now a-days, and not being able to use locator, GPS, weather, et al services is BS.

Bottom line is, you can find flaws with almost any device, but you have to categorize which flaws are manageable and which are not.
[EVO 4G General] buckless:
heard call quality sucks and internet connectivity is bad also.cant manage that!
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Dude, first of all you didn't hear that. Its cool you want to come and lie about something but atleast make it believable idiot.
[EVO 4G General] kthejoker20:
I just came into this thread because I want to buy some Ugg boots.

Where is that spambot when you need it?

:D
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
If you don't like your EVO then by all means don't buy a 3D.
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
The 30 fps issue was lame, but I think it was due to the presence of a poor quality GPU, with the fps capped, the weakness of the GPU was harder to determine. Its no excuse but I'm sure it was the reason.

As far as OTAs bricking phones, yes that does suck, and the phones are replaced at no cost. However, HTC is not the only company that has slipped up with their OTAs, how many times did Samsung pull the Froyo update due to bugs and customer dissatisfaction?

So far the best comparison of battery life has been this one between the sensation and the GS2 (http://www.smartphonegurus.com/forums/topic/13554-mega-review-htc-sensation-v-samsung-galaxy-sii/) and the Sensation had significantly better battery life than the SGS2. In addition, most reviewers have claimed improved battery life for the 3D with the exception of Engadget and Gizmodo who are obviously only interested in knocking the device.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
this should be in the 3d section, why is it here????

lets keep the conversations of phones that are not the evo 4g in their own section
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
The two most important things on a phone for me is the development community, and the hardware. Battery life will work itself out as long as we have good developers working on the software. Honestly, it looks as though the E3D may have a head start because it's coming out first, it's an HTC phone, and nothing official about when the GS2 is coming to sprint. If Sprint does get it, they may turn it into the Epic 2 with a keyboard. On the other hand, the Samsung GS2 looks to have the better hardware. Software is less of an issue for me because I am a CM/AOSP user. I could care less about the difference between TouchWiz and Sense. As long as CM picks up development for the phone I choose, I will be happy.

The main disappointing thing about the E3D is the camera. I really wish it was just going to be the sensation, and not have the stupid 3D gimmick. Having 3D on the phone is sacrificing a good camera. I was very surprised to see an HTC phone outperform the samsung camera. In that comparison review, the sensation camera looks awesome, but reviews of the E3D show sub-par 2D camera performance. The screen is less important, but obviously better on the GS2. Also, early results show the GS2 with better benchmarks. I know Samsung has a history with problematic gps though.

I'm in no hurry this time around. My Evo is running like a champ. I'm going to wait a bit and see what happens with development, and see what the early adopters think.
[EVO 4G General] nabbed:
If that screen on GS2 is going to have the same pixelation like on nexus s, I'd take a super lcd any day over it. I prefer crisper images to overblown color saturation. In fact, it sounds like E3D screen might be even crisper than Evo 4g's, due to higher pixel density.

If that is the case, it's a no-brainer for me personally.

Are those benchmarks better? Was the higher resolution of the E3D display taken into account (35% more pixels on E3D than on GS2)?
[EVO 4G General] fernando sor:
Evo3d has benchmarkes in the low 2000's
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
Good points about the screen res difference and how it relates to benchmarks. The GS2 also uses internal nand instead of SD storage, which will improve benchmarks. The difference here isn't a deal breaker for me either way.

Like I said, the biggest disappointment with the E3D is the camera. I realize there will be some people that say just use a regular digital camera. I have a Canon T2i, but the convenience of always having a camera is great. The iphone 4 is the most popular camera on flickr for that reason. I have little kids, and those moments you want to capture only last for a moment. Running to get my T2i is not always an option. The original evo camera quality is disappointing (compare it to an iphone4 or a samsung epic), and the E3D looks to be even more disappointing.
[EVO 4G General] AyoJake:
i said it in the 3d forums i'll say it here why the **** does it matter if i can see my screen from the side when i use my phone im looking at it right in front of me im no trying to let everyone see what im doing.

if im gonna show some one a picture or video i let them hold it.

reviewers who talk about that being a downside is stupid as ****.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
bad viewing angles = can view porn in public
[EVO 4G General] Biofall:
In 3D!

10char
[EVO 4G General] ronnienyc:
Oh really? They botched the CDMA Nexus big time. The radios are hunting for signal all the time, killing battery life. The Nexus 4G also has the slowest 3g and 4g data connections around too. It's generally 1/2 the throughput speeds of the Evo is the same locations. It's a poor implementation all around. And it's made of cheap slippery plastic to boot.
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
In regards to the OG Evo's Camera...I was never disappointed by it. It doesn't take the best pics in all light conditions, but I've never taken a pic that I was irritated with due to low quality.

I've actually been quite impressed with a lot of the pics in this thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1097769&highlight=post+pics+with+evo+cam
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
yeah, but their screens are so nice!
[EVO 4G General] jaysmi32:
i got my eye on the Motorola Photon 4g!!
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Im not going to let some apple fanboy site discourage me out of getting the e3d. Can't wait till Friday.
[EVO 4G General] SammyM00782:
I won't be getting this phone simply because I just got my EVO in april and I'm not loaded to just go and buy a new phone. I'm not 100% impressed with my EVO but after rooting it and tweaking a little it was much better. The camera isn't as good as my g/f's Epic and her screen is brighter and more vivid which makes me kind of jealous but HTC's seem much easier to root and work with so it's almost a toss up for next time :-\
[EVO 4G General] ubigdumy:
I work for a store (shack) that sells phones and the galaxy is by far the most disappointing phone out there for its specs. I actually feel bad when a customer is set on buying it and I can't talk them out of it.
[EVO 4G General] fernando sor:
Yeah and their ui blows. Sense is awesome and I get htc phones and enjoy them because I mod them. That's why. Not because of their cameras. Very dev friendly
[EVO 4G General] bjb_nyj101:
Wrong. Two DIFFERENT editors reviewed the Evo 4G & 3D.

Look, I'm as unbiased as they come. I bought the G1 when it came out, I'm typing this on Evo..

I plan on moving to Windows Phone 7 or iOS when my upgrade comes.

That engadget review was terrible. More specifically, that editor (Myriam I believe) is the most clueless person on the site, and he(she?) gives the least detailed reviews.

I don't know how he(she?) Could say that the 3D has worse battery life than the Evo.. Before rooting, I'd be LUCKY to get this thing to last more than 8~10hrs. The 3D apparently got 14, yet somehow that's worse? Doesn't make sense (har har). Plus, if he(she?) got 14 hours taking all that 3D content, I'd consider that great battery life.

The viewing angles... I honestly can't come up with ONE scenario where my phone's screen isn't faxing directly at me.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
I'd rather have a viewing angle for privacy, a new revolutionary and innovative first by HTC.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Also have to remember that Samsung is low on processors and screens... so sprints version could be a tegra 2 LCD version...
[EVO 4G General] fatboypup:
I just want more GeeBees and the wifis
[EVO 4G General] :
e3D is 1080p recording right?
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
It's not bad, but not good either. You can take some nice pictures by working with the settings. Setting the white balance, ISO, and brightness can improve your pictures a lot. In low light situations the flash washes everything out if you don't set the ISO or brightness manually. I took some pictures in a bar of friends with my phone and a friends iPhone4. His took the picture great the first time, but I had to jack around with the settings a minute to get it right. That's just annoying when people are posing waiting for a picture. With kids you only get a brief second before they get distracted. I could care less about megapixels. Just give me a good sensor, better auto focus.
[EVO 4G General] Biofall:
yes, contrary to that idiotic review.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
Sprint changed the official specs to correctly state 720p recording and 1080p playback
[EVO 4G General] :
1080p playback is fine for me. Better quality movies is all I want.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
1080p playback on a poor quality 960x540 display = PURE WIN, MY SON.
[EVO 4G General] BloodKil:
They better hurry and slap a patent on that before another company comes out with the same screen in their next "revision" and sues htc for stealing it...

HDMI mirroring...
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
HDMI mirroring will likely only upscale the 960x540 to 1080p, much like what HDMwIn does. I haven't seen any phones that will change the native resolution to give you true 1080p output.
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
All the (non 3D) advances on the Evo 3d are going to be commonplace on Smartphones. To me it cones down to one thing:

Does the Evo 3D improve SIGNIFICANTLY on my biggest dissapontment with the 4G: CAMERA /VIDEO QUALITY. If the 2D shots aren't in the SGS2 ballpark...BALLPARK...I'll be dumping the Evo in a heartbeat and holdout for the SG2.

HTC has had a year to correct this.
[EVO 4G General] devgrp:
Its so funny hearing some of these idiots talk about viewing angle. Like someone already mentioned, viewing angle means nothing on a phone since you'll be looking directly at the phone. If I have to show someone anything I'll just hand them the phone.
[EVO 4G General] auau465121:
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/06/17/htc-evo-3d-first-impressions/

Well another bad review for the 3D alot of people just want to be blind to the fact this phone has some serious flaws
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
Uuugh. Ah well, would rather know going in.
[EVO 4G General] auau465121:
True well check out the data speeds Aaron is getting on his 3D :eek:
[EVO 4G General] cesarcerros31:
Would he be on 3g because that's normal these days

evo on cm7
[EVO 4G General] auau465121:
for the Evo 4g maybe not for a dual core processor
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
A dual core processor is able to fix Sprint's overloaded network? lol
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
'Normal' for SOME. Unless he can show that he is pulling more in from his 'other' phone, and this appears to be some issue with the 3D .... which I doubt;

????
[EVO 4G General] :
im running the Evo 3D rom and battery life is pretty good after running it all day today and I have to say its pretty sweet. Could care less for the 3D additions on the 3D, so having this ROM is the next best thing without upgrading or spending money on something I really don't need.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Yeah, but that isn't even CLOSE to the real deal. :)

And, yeah, Myriam from Engadget is about the last person I want to hear from about a phone. Seriously and honestly. But just as we are hearing conflicting reports about the 3D, we heard them with the original as well. Those getting the 3D are going to get it, those that will wait and maybe get it will do just as much.

What I will decide, and should have done long ago, was make sure I never click of a 'Myriam Joire review' from Engadget again. And let us not forget, those that people chastised for being biased before have - for the most part - moved on to the thisismynext.com It is not 'Engadget,' but the people representing it before. And the people didn't LEAVE Engadget because of some overall bias (strangely enough, the people leaving used to have the biggest bias and Apple humping love of them all) they left because of the AOL takeover. And they are not 'leaving,' they have LEFT. They are GONE. thisismynext.com has been in full force for a MINUTE.

thisismynext is a great place, I still read their **** because it's deep / in depth and offers a broader view than just the obvious bull**** that I could spit out before reading such articles. Just look at their breakdown of the Sony ish, amongst others. I do not however, use reviews from such places to shape my overall decision. I look all over, I look for user feedback and recommendation, and overall reception. Not just a single site. Or two, or three. It's not that easy.

Hell, truthfully and honestly, I'd almost be willing to trust Engadget MORE NOW because the likes of Josh, Nilay, etc etc are gone. And don't use TIMN as a 'but they didn't bash the EVO 3D' review, because, honestly, that was one half assed review.

Don't get too caught up about a review because some 'has been' and now 'second rate' site like Engadget didn't have all nice things to say. Or some lame 'I want my name in the books' website like BGR didn't hype it to no end. If you want real reviews look elsewhere, or trust your judgement, buy, and decide yourself.

And, yes, Myriam is the last person I would assign a review on anything, including dishwashers. :)
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
LOL obviously dual core processors make your radio work better ey? Stick to your comic books dude.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
i can assure you that dual core processors increase data speeds, also that stickers on the back of cars make them faster, as does a giant wing on the trunk (yes, a wing on a front wheel drive car). also the color red makes things faster. dual cameras will probably increase the sdcard write speed btw. and if something is plugged into the headphone port the phone will charge 4x faster
[EVO 4G General] :
Just giving my opinion. Lol
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
I get that you are. But, still, that isn't close.

I think a lot of people are making a bigger stink about ish than has to be made.
[EVO 4G General] Biofall:
Here's the thing for me. There's no reason to wait. I got my upgrade pushed super early and sold my evo for 250 on ebay. Then I bought my 3D for 180. And I got 125 credited on my sprint account just because. So I came out on top with a newer phone. It would be dumb for me not to
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Sure. But some of us are not in such a hurry. A better phone? Without a doubt. I'm more or less holding for announcements. If I do end up buying the phone I will be buying it OFF contract so I can jump on the next hotness. No doubt that this phone is going to be a beast, but what about the next wave of phones (tegra 3) that are going to be even better? End of the year? Think Sprint is going to keep resetting those upgrades? Not likely. Am playing it slowly here. No rush to upgrade on this end, so maybe I'll find out if it's worth the few hundred to get up on one from the users. :);):D