yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
I agree the Transformer is the better deal, however I think those of us looking for just a pure tablet experience really don't care about Asus' dock. 2 devices targeted for different crowds. I had both the TF and iPad2 at the same time, and played with the Xoom for about a week. Although the TF's screen was a bit sharper than the iPad2's, it's black levels were nowhere near iPad2's or the 10.1's. Xoom's screen just isn't in the same playing field. Both TF and iPad2 have terrible light bleed, however the screen on the TF is the dimmest of them all requiring to blast the brightness in daylight making it's light bleed more apparent. Sure, to some 10.1's colors are oversaturated, but Supercurio has already confirmed he can tone down the colors with no custom kernel needed, so that option is nice and he said he tried for the TF but wasn't successful.

USB and HDMI capabilities are also available as add-ons on the 10.1. Of course 10.1 owners are going to have to pay extra (and let's face it, most of us who bought the 10.1 threw out the best bang for the buck state of mind once we started looking into the 10.1), but they also have that option to import movies, pics, etc, making easy to travel with a camera as well.

A lot of people who haven't actually held the 10.1 don't really appreciate the form factor as well. It may not sway buying decisions, but I bet it'll get people's mind thinking "damn, but this one is so light".

Yes, dev support for the Asus is higher. It makes sense since TF was released like 2 months ago and of course has the better price point. But I'm sure 10.1 will be seeing some action once the kernel sources are released.

But to get this topic back on track... To us who bought the 10.1, I feel it's better than the Xoom. I would pick the TF over the Xoom. But I'm sticking with my 10.1.. no light bleed, both speakers work, more detailed (when watching 720p movies) and brightest screen, less glare, better black levels, and of course form factor. I will give it to the TF that it felt a little more fluid while browsing and it's firmware updates were super fast, though.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
The Samsung device is great if you want an ipad2 in android clothing.

If you want the functionality and expandability to go beyond a simple tablet experience then TF us way to go. Your description if TF screen makes it sound bad when in fact it is a great screen. Is the Samsun screen better? Yes. By orders of magnitude? No. It it thinner and lighter? A bit. The part you hold on the TF is only 9 mm similar to the 10.1 but it is thicker in the middle.

If you want a device to carry a lot of media with you the tab will fill up.

Have an iPad 1 with most of my photos and music and burned through all 64 gb. 32 is just not doable. 32 plus room to pop in micro sd cards to have more is manageable.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Never said TF was a bad screen in general. Just said compared to the iPad2 (black levels) and the 10.1, it's not as great. Look at my picture below. On the right is the Transformer at 90% brightness, and the left is the iPad2 at 60%. Now look at the actual movie and not the black bars. You'll see they are pretty much the same. Had the Transformer been put at 60% it'd be way dimmer than the iPad2. Now look at the black bars. iPad2 maintains its contrast ratio where as the black bars are washed out on the TF. Also notice light bleed on the TF because it has to be blasted to match iPad2.

I'll disagree with your by orders of magnitude comment, but it's purely subjective unless you really know what to look for in a screen. My guess is that you haven't played with the 10.1 yet because your posts in this forum are only about the Transformer.. and your other posts are in the Transformer forum.

You make it sound like the 10.1 isn't expandable, when indeed it is. SD card adapter coming out. But to go beyond that, there's the USB dongle which you can hook up a thumb drive, or connect an SD card reader to.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] BlackOtaku:
I certainly do not speak for everyone else here, but that's pretty much what I wanted. :D

And why not? I don't output HD movies to my TV. I don't use more than 32GB on a device that isn't a full-fledged computer or doesn't hold my music; and my Nexus S is my music player right now, so my Tab won't have to deal with that. I don't need to break out a physical keyboard to type out a forum post (normally), and when I do need any of that, I have a laptop running Ubuntu.

The only important accessories that I may need are: a gamepad (Wiimote or other Bluetooth gamepad), something to stand it up every now and then (whatever's around to prop it up against at the time), and if I ever need extra storage or some newfangled USB gadget for tablet, I'll go out and buy that USB connector.

i'm primarily going to using my tablet for online video watching, web browsing and a bit of gaming. When I think of these things, I feel the GT is better suited to my needs, (and supercurio's recommendation helped a lot considering I love his sound and screen work on the Nexus S) and I think honestly that it's the best pure tablet experience. The Transformer is a solid tablet, but it feels like something better suited for those who want a mix of a tablet and a netbook. Which is great for a lot of people no doubt, but I just want a great tablet experience, my laptop serves me faithfully for the other things. :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dazz87:
So you dont mind the orange skins on people when viewing movies on the 10.1???? Cause that is what I am seeing right now on my 10.1. I bet you have your lcd or plasma on torn mode at home? "more detailed (when watching 720p movies)" compare to what the TF???? You may need to get your eyes check!!!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] BlackOtaku:
That's the auto-tanning (for the melanin-challenged) feature silly! :p

Lol, supercurio says he'll release a hack for more accurate color reproduction on the 10.1, so I wouldn't say it's a big weakness for long... but yeah, Samsung loves to crank up the saturation on their screens.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Diversion:
I've owned the Xoom, Galaxy Tab 7", Viewsonic G Tablet, Blackberry playbook, iPad 1 and iPad 2 and now the 10.1..

My Xoom experience follows everything else everybody else said... Washed out, low brightness LCD on the Xoom.. the screen really broke the device for me.. In a brightly-lit room, the Xoom was nearly useless! I didn't mind so much the extra weight of the Xoom, I can deal with it.

The screen on the 10.1 is something equal to the ipad1/2 screen, PLS vs. IPS.. I can't really say that Samsung's PLS dominates the LG screen used in the ipad1/2.. I think the iPad screens are fantastic.. I would say both are equal in terms of quality.

Something in the drivers on the 10.1 seem broken tho.. My entire SGT 10.1 experience feels laggy and slow.. Running Angry Birds Rio on the Xoom, the FPS is WAYYY higher than it is on the SGT10.1.. And also with many other games, everything is slowed down on the Samsung.

Feels like Samsung rushed the drivers out the door and left us with a choppy feeling Honeycomb device.

As of today, I think the 10.1 is a halfway broken device.. something is broken inside.. Im sure it'll be fixed quickly, but for now, it's a little disappointing..

The hardware side, the entire device is excellent.. I wish it had a microSD slot though.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
First off the picture you posted has the brightness cranked on the TF. It is clearly brighter in picture than the ipad. I have done comparison with ipad 1 which I also own side by side with same movie trailer on both and the differences were negligible.

And I don't consider taking a dongle with me as expandable. Unless you intend to keep that dongle attached all the time for the added storage. But wait then you can't charge it or plug it into a TV and run a video off of it.

Had Samsung included a micro SD card and or an HDMI port I would have supported it more. I still say it is an ipad wannabe in android form. No more no less. Not a bad thingbgiven the ipad is the best tablet out right now. But my knock against the ipad is it is a giant iPhone well the galaxy tab is like a giant android phone. It lacks the hardware add ins that give it more functionality. For many is fine. For me it would mean still needing my laptop and phone for.many tasks meaning less use day to day, which was exactly why I gave my wife my Ipad. I was just not using it enough.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Color gamut has nothing to do with detail. When I say detail, its more about sharpness.

Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit more with video terminology.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dazz87:
Wow explain me to how the 10.1 is sharper then the TF when both have the same resolution???:rolleyes: if u are using the same source (video). Don't worry I wont go to you for video advice. Some people love that cartoon look on their display. U don't happen to work for samsung right?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Did you not read my post? I obviously said TF at 90% brightness, iPad2 at 60%. Look at the movie, they are at about the same, with the TF having a bit better white balance. If both were at 60% brightness the whole screen on the TF would be dimmer, including movie and black bars. The point of the picture is if the TF screen was on par with how it handles blacks and contrast ratio, there would be no need to blast the TF brightness and resulting in less noticeable light bleed.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
Then why not just get an ipad? Many more games out there for it. Got Netflix iTunes movie store......

Hey there is nothing wrong with.the Samsung. It is a great tablet. I just feel it does not really offer anything the current market leader does. If I travel I don't want to take a tablet and a laptop. If I wanna transfer movies or music or photos microsd makes it quite easy as a cheap medium to move between devices without needing extra space or cost for dongle.

To me the tab 8.9 seems more intriguing as it will be about a pound and small enough to double as an dresser that doesn't seem oversized. Screen will be big enough and still carry same resolution so one would get an even higher ppi.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
The same as if you walked into a store looking at 2 58" tv's that are both 1080p and use the same technology and chips, but one manufacturer implements it a little better than the other.

Apparently you didn't read my post either when I said Supercurio is able to turn down the color.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
I will agree with you on this.

I just happen to agree with Supercurio that as a Media Player, it surpasses the TF (screenwise, not that it can play certain formats better or anything like that) and how he said the 10.1 screen was art (after color hack/calibration) whereas the TF was just a screen.

Don't get me wrong.. when I had the TF I loved it but the light bleed I just couldn't stand and had I not compared it to my iPad2's screen I probably would've loved it a lot more.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
From some articles I read the ipad brightness is about 10%or so higher value and contrast ratio was about 20% overall, so while true ipad 2 is a but brighter it your screen capture is a bit exaggerated. A more accurate one would be having ipad on 60% and Asus at 70-75% .
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dazz87:
So thats how you judge picture quality of panels???? So,you dont take in Lighting condition when judging these tvs? The video input and its setting???? Or I forgot you the one who like that torn mode then you shouldnt have any issues purchasing one of those Samsung LED aka LCD that are all on torn mode at your local Bestbuy. Back to the question how do you know that the 10.1 product a sharper picture then the TF....Do you have a link?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
Supercurio I hear said the Asus has a great audio chip in it and I'd putting out voodoo sound ....

In any case I think both these tabs are great and fit different buyers. That is one beaauty of android.....choice.

Besides in six months we'll be dumping these for quad core tablets anyway and those will be able to dual boot windowsn8 and truly replace laptops for all but heaviest work.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
If TF was set on 70-75%, the screen caps wouldn't be the same (black bars aside).

Yes, both will have Voodoo audio and both use Wolfson DAC's but Samsung will have full capabilities because it uses a better Wolfson chip and has analog headphone amp vs digital. I think he said there was a lot of headroom in speaker output as well so he'll be boosting those.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
I had the TF until yesterday. Compared it to the 10.1 all day yesterday. To me it's more detailed. I also said earlier it's purely subjective.

Apparently you still haven't read my original post about Supercurio and turning down the color. Not once did I say I liked the color saturation in this thread. I think you should slow down and read a little more, then maybe you wouldn't bypass things and have questions that apparently need an x amount of question marks.

Also apologies to the OP and to every one that kept this thread on track.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] freonix:
Nvm that, I have a hard time understanding what he is trying to say.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Earthdog:
Xoom, Galaxy Tab 10.1

Well here is my 2 cents and I'm sure I will get flamed so I have my flame suit on. First here is a list of what I have and owned:

iPad Gen 1

Moto Xoom

iPad Gen 2

Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Metalic

First to answer your first question. The Samsung is FAR SUPERIOR to the Xoom in almost every way except the missing SD Card slot.

So now let me give overall 2 cents. Honeycomb is missing a huge amount of polish. FYI: I currently on an Android phone and love it and gave up my iPhone 4 so I see the possibility. I just believe today Google has miles to go to provide the seamless integration that Apple offers. And let me also say that the attitude of Apple aka Steve Jobs that I have to do it his way SUCKS...

My point is the G. Tab 10.1 is far superior to the Xoom however neither device is a compete package to the iPad. As you can see I want a replacement for my iPad but Honeycomb isn't ready... YET but I have hopes.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] JOHNGAETANO:
I have tried thrm all and I still prefer my non honeycomb flyer over thr xoom and gt 10.1
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] BlackOtaku:
Because iOS devices are literally useless for me, for one. (I'm not bothering with trying to get iTunes working on WINE, I have better thing to do with my time, like post about my gadget preferences on forums :p )

For two, I prefer Android, thank you very much. :rolleyes:

Besides, nearly every computing device I own right now runs Linux. I'm not breaking that streak for anything but gaming consoles. ;)

And you're right, the beauty of Android is choice (though I'd sooner buy an iPad than purchase a Win8 tablet... :p). Anyone can choose whatever sort of tablet they want. You want a tablet that can replace your laptop; I want a tablet that can be a tablet, and a laptop that can be a laptop.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Rhyno77:
Derailing again...

" I just feel it does not really offer anything the current market leader does."

With my mother in-law today and she was showing me some apps she purchased for a dollar each for finding local quilt and knitting shops on her ipad2. I just hit the microphone and spoke "map of quilt shops near tempe arizona" and we came up with the same results, mine having more options.

This is one example of something ipad users would never know because it's not really marketed by Google or the hardware manufacturers, and it's unfortunate.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
I don't find them the same. I find the transformer one is brighter
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
I want a tablet to be my everyday computing device. I would prefer to keep my phone as my mobile device when going light and my laptop for heavier duty work. Gtab lacking too much to be more than a consumption device with limited storage capacity.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Canadoc:
And voice search is already touted to be implemented in ios5 coming out soon.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Rhyno77:
For me it's not a matter of what android features are coming in ios5, but that the significant features of android aren't advertised.. at least nowhere near apples.
[Desire General] ghiki:
Hello, anyone knows any way to select "default caller" when clicking in "contact phone" icon and disable this screen?

I like to call always with the same program, and this is a bit annoying when it appears on every call action

The "call icons" that I' referring are these:
[Desire General] MatDrOiD:
Which rom do you use? Searched the corresponding thread for your problem?
[Desire General] ghiki:
It's latest CM7, but I think it's not ROM related, it's a android 2.3.4 bug feature

OPPS!! I auto-answer me, it's not ROM "feature" it's from "CSipSimple", thanks anyway. SOLVED
[T-Mobile LG G2x] zcollins11:
Has it come to a halt or will we more new roms and development
[T-Mobile LG G2x] sarni84:
think someone already asked that already today lol , dude we will be ok believe there is a lot of development going on:D
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tweezit:
Faux, krylon, CM Team and Doniqcc are all quitting and going to delete their current roms so you cant download them. Might as well sell your G2X and buy an Iphone as we just don't like Android anymore.

Or...wait for it......

...

.....

.........

Maybe I am lying and these threads really need to stop? :p ;)
[T-Mobile LG G2x] phburks:
Gave you a Thanks for this post. lol
[T-Mobile LG G2x] knickfan5745:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1128841
[T-Mobile LG G2x] LordButtersI:
Its a Tegra 2 phone running vanilla Android. If they get their drivers working, this phone is going to be dev heaven.

Sensation has a locked boot loader and runs a proprietary ROM.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] zcollins11:
Thanks for the replies I'm just impatient... I can't wait to be in heaven with this phone.

It has more potential to be great then any other android phone I've had which are g1.mytouch,mytouch 1.2,mytouch 4g, and g2 so ya sorry about the lame thread
[T-Mobile LG G2x] ~~Tito~~:
Try CM7 now. The biggest issues are now fixed.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] phburks:
Agreed. Its sweet!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emarusamun:
Running com.netflix.mediaclient-2.apk and when its opening it says theres an update, I hit cancel and it works normally. Just wondering if there's a newer apk I don't know of. I did search but didn't see anything recent. Out started happening a couple days ago.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yareally:
look in the netflix thread in the tb application subforum
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emarusamun:
k thx I found out.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] wizardslovak:
So after all this time playing with phone i decided i would love to learn how to modify kernels...

so first Q

What do you use to modify? notepad++??
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] robbbbit:
Dude there is a thread almost exactly like this already posted. please read before posting. also, ur questions are more likely to get answered if you use a more descriptive title. at least you didnt post in development. Hahaha.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] wizardslovak:
Well trust me I tried to look all over xda ..if u can point me to it I'd be thankful..and yea u need catching title for people to read it ....
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mad_fitter:
The only way to really get into the kernel and change things is to do it by source, change, and compile. Btw.....no source available yet for kf1 aka GB.

Sent from the pits of hell (from an sgs4g)
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] robbbbit:
Yeah and once the source is available, notepad++ is rad.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] mad_fitter:
I also use notepad++ For tweaks, making and editing build.prop, default.prop, scripts, and oh yea.........HACKING!
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Golgotha theskull:
hey i need some help i was coming from cm7 and did the odin flash and now my phone wont come out of recovery(android stock) i used the dl09 and atlas v2.2 and rechecked partition but when i turned it on it says at the bottom

E:Can't moun/dev/block/mmcblk0p1

(invalid argument)

#manual mode#

i tried odining again only using just the dlo9 file no atlas file and no re partiton check

also used athe eb01 debloated and deodexed shark odin file

i need help i wont have internet in about a hour or 2 untill i fix my phone
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Golgotha theskull:
i also tried going to trough the update.zip of cwm and install three diffrent roms and with all of them it rebbots halfway through and gives me the same message
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hymizzle:
Try Odin the DL09.tar again, try it without the pit file.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] efan450:
Follow the instructions on the cm7 op..but try using the eb01 tar with the 2.2 pit..thats what worked for me ...basically do the same thing you did with the dl09 file but use the eb01 file instead...it will just give you the vzw froyo instead of eclair
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Golgotha theskull:
I got it i was fallowing the cm7 revert guide but it was di01 fix it all file floating around i had it on my desktop just was out of town when my phone decided to act like justin beiber(a *****)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] dsh897:
Kinda... i was able to flash the file you requested yesterday when i got home today. but when i enter the recovery its still (3e).. but this means it works. i think its a bad cmw recovery or an incompatible one. but we can flash here is my log

<ID:0/004> Added!!

<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..

<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..

<OSM> Please wait..

<OSM> recovery-cwm.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..

<OSM> Leave CS..

<ID:0/004> Odin v.3 engine (ID:4)..

<ID:0/004> File analysis..

<ID:0/004> SetupConnection..

<ID:0/004> Initialzation..

<ID:0/004> Get PIT for mapping..

<ID:0/004> Firmware update start..

<ID:0/004> recovery.bin

<ID:0/004> Completed..

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 1 / failed 0)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] madsquabbles:
thanks for being the guinea pig! I'd try too but I'm at my parent's this weekend and no computer.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] dsh897:
pershoot to you have another clock work.tar or md5 file

id also like an image of the google i/0 bootloader in the .tar or md5 format i cant seem to find one. all ive seen is .img and i need a tar. i think this will allow us to get what we need

this might help

Open a Cygwin or *nix console and change directory to where you are storing your ROM dumps.

Run the following command to build a package tarball. Be sure to use identifiable names with versions or dates:

Code:

$ tar -H ustar -c image_1 [image_2 ...] > your_odin_package.tar

Run the following command to sign each tarball with an md5 tail:

Code:

$ md5sum -t your_odin_package.tar >> your_odin_package.tar

$ mv your_odin_package.tar your_odin_package.tar.md5

Please sign your Odin Packages - its the easiest way to tell if the download corrupted them!

Testing your Odin Packages:

Without clicking Start in Odin, load each of the packages you made to see if there are any errors. Be sure to mark the One Package checkbox under Options if you are using one.

If everything loads correctly you can test if Odin will flash them properly - click Start.

If your packages flashed correctly post them online or archive them for backup
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] pershoot:
Ill make the stock io recovery odin compat. for you when I get home.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] dsh897:
thx my friend.

Any ideas why the cwm you sent me didnt stick?

do you have any recoveries you think will work? if i flash them?

do you think flashing the i/o bootloader will brick the device?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] mattpall:
If your odin was successful, why would it not boot into clockwork?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development] pershoot:
That cwm build should boot.

Ill create a v4 with newer kernel and io ver for you.

Your only replacing recovery so should be ok.