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[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
First, internet petitions have never accomplished anything, ever in the history of the internet.

This one, though, might make Motorola execs write off the Xoom community as a bunch of butthurt middle schoolers.

Think about it, do you take anyone seriously who alternately whines and threatens?

I delete emails with the tone of this petition.
[Xoom General] mynameisjon:
alternatively you could just get a class action certified...
[Xoom General] csseale:
Then delete your happy little self off this thread.

Your always out to **** on people's parades...just go away
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
Well what do you want? I mean I somewhat agree but the Xoom is basically the test tablet for the Honeycomb market being that is was the original one of a kind running an actual tablet OS. So yes maybe it is taking a little longer because it was the first of its kind and may have some hardware issues. I personally won't be signing this thing, but again with any new device that is an original, hardware issues can arise. I don't know how to make that more clearly. You must understand software and hardware to truly understand why there are delays like so. You try setting up the entire 4g LTE network and fix up all devices by yourself. No?

The world of technology doesn't just happen in a day and people don't seem to get it. People need to learn patience. The Xoom was released to "test the waters" if you will. By being a part of the Xoom team you are doing your part for our future Android tablets. Moto is polishing everything and working hard around the customer feedback we give them to make sure that the future tablets will be running perfect without any software or hardware issues. The Xoom 2 will be the final product for its kind, it will then no longer be known as the "test tablet" because of our efforts as a tablet community.

So the people who own the current Xoom like myself basically chose to help test the waters. This is what is called beta. We test it, we then begin looking for problems, report them if we find any, they will fix them until it's perfect or near that, and then they present us with a nice new release that is much more stable than the previous release. That's how it works in the world of beta with technology. I'm sorry about that, but this is reality. Moto is not lying, they are in the beta stage doing their best to make sure all future tablets will run problem free. It sure is not my fault that people don't understand what the term "beta" truly means. They signed up for it when they made the purchase. They paid to use a test product essentially... I wish I could say more, but thus I cannot.

I'm not here to fight. I know both software and hardware very well. I realize the majority of the people don't know how technology really works, so these kinds of things spawn off... aka... bashing of companies, petitions, etc... but, this is my point of view as a high techy nerd/geek.
[Xoom General] IndivisibleP:
Simply put, you are wrong. Both Motorola and HTC have reconsidered and changed their policy on locked bootloaders because of public complaints and criticism on the internet. Aside from that every company has to take bad publicity seriously, regardless of whatever influential power you think deleting things from your email has.

And considering the general opinion of most tech reviewers on the xoom coupled with the irresponsible stunts Motorola is pulling in the public eye it won't take much to get the ball rolling.

They only have themselves to blame. We are not the problem.
[Xoom General] IndivisibleP:
You don't seem to understand that we are not on the "xoom team". They don't give us test devices for free nor do they appear to have anything but deaf ears for our feedback. An $800 purchase is not an immaterial amount of money for most of us if not all of us and we will not be purchasing xoom 2s because who has that kind of money to throw around on beta devices hyped up by irresponsible and inconsiderate people?

We are not unscrupulously devoted to Motorola as you seem to think we may be and we dont have twinkling stars in our eyes or hearts popping over our heads. There are other companies with comperable or superior devices, all with cheaper price tags, and as consumers Motorola has yet to give one reason why our money wouldn't be better suited going to them. Releasing a xoom 2 that is nothing more than what the xoom 1 was supposed to be just adds insult to injury. Are we supposed to now praise Motorola for giving us a chance to own a device that does what our first one was supposed to if we spend another 800$?

We arent satisfied by your notion that we should consider oursleves fortunate to be used as Motorola lab rats.

And seeing as how you put so much stock in your understanding of the relationship between hardware and software and technology, I am surprised you aren't aware things are conventialy free when they are considered to be in the beta stage. Perhaps this is because people feel dishonest accepting money for a half baked product without a guaranteed user experience. In fact that is exactly the cause.
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
What is one supposed to say when you choose to test a new device with a new never before seen OS? I dont consider to be a lab rat, thats a terrible term by the way. Its the consumer choice whether or not they want to spend the money to help create a better more solid product in the future. If you don't want to be a tester... don't! Again I am not here to fight. I know hardware and software. I personally know what its like. Its no different than an app on the market. Say you pay $10 for a premium app that is still in beta and needs your feedback. What is beta for again? Oh yeah. To test and improve. Its no different with a big company and a product, its not just Moto. Looking around you will see this all over the place.

Tell me one thing. How else will the public be able to test the Xoom unless it is physically in their own homes? They have to be willing to pay for a work in progress. A physical object like the Xoom must be pushed out into the market so that the consumer will take it home with them. There is no other way to get a physical object to the masses to use. Its not a digital product. If only they could release a special tablet over the internet that you can just print out and use, that problem would be solved in a heartbeat. ;)
[Xoom General] csseale:
There are 86 signers right now...awesome...

If each one spent the 800 thats $68800 worth of unhappy money sitting in motorolas pocket....thats sad and outof those 86..only 9 feel there should be no class action

Just imagine in a week what that number will be..
[Xoom General] IndivisibleP:
Ridiculous. As I already stated, you will be hard pressed to find a single beta product that isn't free. Second, even if you can find this supposed "premium beta app" that cost 10 dollars , I am hoping I won't have to explain the difference between 800$ and 10$ to you.

If Motorola wants to use the excuse of being a beta company then they should advertise themselves as such. Then we would have no right to complain. But instead theyy advertised 4g and rushed an underdeveloped product to market. If you want to fault us, fault us for expecting professional conduct from Motorola. Then you would at least have an accurate point to make.
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
As a techy I could go on forever. But I am choosing to put an end to this pointless little banter right now. I love my Xoom. Moto is doing a fine job. I already have SDcard support with a 32gb in there now, rooted, custom, and undervolted. And as for 4g goes... you don't need it right now! It's still a work in progress as far as availability and stability goes. 3g is all you need until 4g is totally perfected. Get over it. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!

But, send in that petition to Moto. They do need to hear the customers voice and give us some feedback of their own. I will applaud thee for starting that. Good work OP. It's good to see. :)

Remember these fine words of wisdom... the dedicated teams of hard working devs are the ones who make Android what it is, not the OEMs... they just provide the hardware. Without them, we would have nothing... no rooting, no apps, no nothing! Thank all the devs out there for their hard work and dedication they give to the community! They are the real heroes.

Good luck! And let's see what Moto has to say about this petition. Maybe something good will come from it, one never knows. ;)

PS... For those who are unhappy and unwilling to wait for the big OEM, try rooting your Xoom in the meantime. You'll see what I mean later, maybe you'll even forget about what you came to complain about? Who knows.
[Xoom General] falconeight:
Nicely written but rooting is not the answer.
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
Before proceeding with this petition for sanity's sake please have someone with professional communication experience rewrite it.
[Xoom General] Chelseablue:
Good idea getting a petition set up for people to to express their disappointment. However the threat of a class action lawsuit? Overkill maybe. The whole thing comes across as kind of French Revolution ish. Heads don't need to roll, we would just like our promised add ons. I, personally, am okay with waiting as I have SD support via root; and I don't live round fourG. That's just me. But because I believe that one should deliver what they promise I signed.

Cheers.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Again yes the content in petition is rough..but cannot be rewritten and we cannot afford to loose the signatures we already have. The quantity of signatures and the comments each one has will have the impact anyways more so than the actual petition.
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
The content and the manor in which it is written is just plain puerile. I'm sorry, definitely not trying to bash you, but several people have said as much.

A petition is very serious, those who sign it have very serious concerns, and it needs to be written and presented in a professional manor if it's expected to be taken seriously.

The current petition can't be rewritten, but I have faith that you would get all the signers of this one, plus many more, if a new draft was created. Consumers are really frustrated, and there's little they can do.

Get it written better, with a collection of concerns more professionally presented, and I guarantee you won't lose the interest of those who already signed. -They'll all sign a new, better petition.;)
[Xoom General] andyiacovou:
Agreed, I'll sign again
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
Let it float around the forums a while, and when it has more than a thousand signatures (at least), send it of to all the tech bloggers.

Ideally, it should have it's own website.

-Also, Its your petition. You started it, so makey up a letter head with your name as "presenting on behalf of Xoom owners...(whatever)". Your name is on it even thug someone else helps proof it.

It's serious stuff, not to be done casually. We definitely need this to voice our dissatisfaction.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Working on one now...I hope you are right...hate to loose 100 signatures
[Xoom General] ZanshinG1:
If you really want to help the community you will scrap this petition, find a copywriter, and draft a letter to Motorola with e-signatures and no comments.

At best this petition will be an amusing anecdote told by a low-level motorola PR exec to his wife about rabid fanbois. It'll never get seen by anyone really important.
[Xoom General] IndivisibleP:
I wouldn't worry. I think it will gain traction and perhaps even faster than the first one.

One thing I strongly suggest though, and I hope you read this in time, is that you post the draft on here first before you register it. That way you can get feedback from a few different people and collectively iron out any wording as well concisely articulate the main important points.
[Xoom General] IndivisibleP:
We don't have to do much to draw attention to the fact that the way Motorola has handled this is completely disingenuous and exploitive. People already mention it on tech blogs even when they aren't disenchanted xoom owners. We aren't exactly fighting an uphill battle here. Regardless of how Motorola directly tries to deal with this petition or not, they can't ignore a naturally occurring wave of bad publicity.

I am sorry but when you deal the way Motorola has in a market that is structured and moves at the pace this one does, their conduct amounts to false advertising. And they would feel the same way if they were in a position equivalent to ours under their own circumstances, as would everyone else.
[Xoom General] sal_shawn:
I'll definitely resign a new one.
[Xoom General] csseale:
Ok

I have typed up a draft for a more professional sounding petition and PM'ed to some peeps. We will get this finalized and published up. I encourage everyone to still sign the one that's up as i intend to keep those comments as well.

Thank you for your overwhelming support in this. Hopefully WE can be heard
[Xoom General] cpam:
I have another (genius) :) idea. Let’s every one of us send email to Motorola ( US, UK, FR………. Albania). And let’s we all spread the word about this petition. And see the result!

:confused:
[Xoom General] davit1979:
I Signed.:mad:
[Xoom General] keitht:
I sent you my corrections/additions however, it should probably be proofed and finalized by several people to maximize the intent. I do not see a reason why you cannot post it here so you can get several comments more quickly before posting it.
[Xoom General] csseale:
This is a petition against the scrupulous endeavors by Motorola against Xoom purchasers.

When the Xoom was being advertised there was an overwhelming sense that the SD card and advertised 4g LTE would be available in a timely manner. As a community in whole we feel this time has long passed. There have been no solid statements from Motorola as to why we have had this delay or when we can expect these updates.

There are currently several tablets with Honeycomb (Android 3.x) that have released with a functional SD card slot with several others about to hit the market with both working SD card slots and 4G support. Also, with the ongoing threat and rumors of a Xoom 2 (Xoom 4g) being finalized, we feel this is a slap in the face to existing Xoom customers.

We urge you to please communicate with your customers in a timely fashion. We have spent a considerable amount of money purchasing a device which we have felt would offer timely updates especially those missing features which have been promised. In addition, UK customers are frustrated as they have not received the Android 3.1 update and no communications from Motorola as to when they may get it.
[Xoom General] JanetPanic:
If you must use the phrase then you mean unscrupulous. I would recommend "This is a petition for Motorola to address the grievances of Motorola Xoom owners."

First off Motorola's actions are not unscrupulous, merely opaque and perhaps irresponsible. It is a petition, not an emotional plea.

This is a reasonable and thought out. My only comment would be to change the first sentence to "Since release, the Xoom has been advertised with an overwhelming sense that the SD card and advertised 4g LTE would be available in a timely manner." Since it is still being advertised with the same phrasing that was present at release. Unlike the first paragraph though, this is an opinion I can see going either way.

Drop the last sentence. It is not heplful or based on facts, just conjecture.

The second sentence is awful. "We made a considerable investment in our Xooms. Given this investment, we expected Motorola to provide the timely updates promised or an explanation for their delay." is a little better but I am still not fond of it.
[Xoom General] csseale:
This is a petition for Motorola to address the grievances of Motorola Xoom owners.

When the Xoom was being advertised there was an overwhelming sense that the SD card and advertised 4g LTE would be available in a timely manner. As a community in whole we feel this time has long passed. There have been no solid statements from Motorola as to why we have had this delay or when we can expect these updates.

There are currently several tablets with Honeycomb (Android 3.x) that have released with a functional SD card slot with several others about to hit the market with both working SD card slots and 4G support. Also, with the ongoing threat and rumors of a Xoom 2 (Xoom 4g) being finalized, we feel this is a slap in the face to existing Xoom customers.

We urge you to please communicate with your customers in a timely fashion. We made a considerable investment in our Xooms. Given this investment, we expected Motorola to provide the timely updates promised or an explanation for their delay. In addition, UK customers are frustrated as they have not received the Android 3.1 update and no communications from Motorola as to when they may get it.
[Xoom General] keitht:
I made several of the edits in that but I think your comments are right on. No need to include rumored devices and your other comments sound better as well.
[Xoom General] csseale:
The only reason i like to xoom 2 statement is that we see it as a rumor but we know its happening, and i think it should be brought to their attention that even though its a rumor it is wrong that it is happening and we should have taken priority
[Xoom General] keitht:
A rumor does not mean an actual product so I do not think it is worth mentioning. Also we don't even know when it will release if true. It could be a year from now. We just don't know. If they announce it before we have our promised updates,then I would agree with mentioning it.
[Xoom General] csseale:
good point...deleted

This is a petition for Motorola to address the grievances of Motorola Xoom owners.

When the Xoom was being advertised there was an overwhelming sense that the SD card and advertised 4g LTE would be available in a timely manner. As a community in whole we feel this time has long passed. There have been no solid statements from Motorola as to why we have had this delay or when we can expect these updates, or an apology for the delay of these features

There are currently several tablets with Honeycomb (Android 3.x) that have released with a functional SD card slot with several others about to hit the market with both working SD card slots and 4G support.

We urge you to please communicate with your customers in a timely fashion. We made a considerable investment in our Xooms. Given this investment, we expected Motorola to provide the timely updates promised or an explanation for their delay. In addition, UK customers are frustrated as they have not received the Android 3.1 update and no communications from Motorola as to when they may get it.
[Xoom General] csseale:
op updated
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
Much better.;)
[Xoom General] csseale:
New petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/csseale1/petition.html

PLEASE resign

I AM TRULY SORRY

but a more professional one was indeed needed. I will still send off the 113 signatures I had with the old one but if you could please resign this one and lets get it moving, it is already a day behind.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT HELPED ME ON THIS

I am honored
[Xoom General] Chelseablue:
Much better. Signed
[Xoom General] JanetPanic:
Signed. I am not as bothered by the lack of LTE as many are but I am willing to sign to add to the voices of others.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
According to this,

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...o-fy10-comp-by-sec-rules-13-74m-vs-8-47m.html

Moto Mobo's CEO Sanjay Jha made $13mil in 2010. Moto Sol's CEO Greg Brown earned $13.7mil. Then,

88,800 / (26,700,000 / 261 working days/yr) = 0.87 days' combined wages of Moto CEOs.

Kinda crazy.

I think the OP should go stick a potato up their Beemer's exhaust pipe and make them miss work for a day.
[Xoom General] StrifeSoldierVII:
Oh oh oh... look! Brand new Xoom 4G LTE news posted an hour ago. Also includes Droid 3 news as an added bonus. Read it and weep fellas. :)

http://tinyurl.com/3htpboh
[Xoom General] e.mote:
Hey, that e-petition worked really well! And it's not even sent in yet! :)

I think it's the revised wording that caused Moto to cry uncle...
[Xoom General] Arun01:
whoa new xoom 4g coming out now I gotta send mine in....argh....signed!!!!!!!
[Xoom General] csseale:
At this point....i am just laughing....

Should have left the xoom 2 comment in the petition ;)....

We have to get this thing circulating somehow. I have it on xoomforums....motorola support forums and in here. What else can we do

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/19/new-motorola-xoom-lte-nears-launch-receives-map-along-with-droid3/
[Xoom General] e.mote:
OK, may be that's too risque. I have a better idea! (yes, I'm brainstorming em left and right for ya!)

This below is my niece. For a fee, she can cry on demand. For a nominally larger fee, she can be taught to say 'NO 4G'. Before we raid Moto HQ, I'd have along a camera crew (more people the better), along with whatever newshound from the local newspaper I can dig up. We want YT clips! May be one of them will go viral!

The sight of a crying kid going "NO 4G NO 4G NO 4G" in Moto's lobby will go really well on video, trust me! Security won't dare touch you!
[Xoom General] keitht:
You can try to get engadget to pick it up. Just go to the site and click "Tip us" in upper right.

http://www.engadget.com/
[Xoom General] csseale:
Yea did that just not sure there is enough signatures right now to be taken seriously
[Xoom General] cpam:
Ok, that’s interesting

Customer Reference number:XXXXX_XXXXX

Dear Mr Xxxx:: ,

Thank you for contacting Motorola.

We know you are eager to update to Android 3.1 software. We are working on the schedule for the regional upgrades. Each region will have slightly different timing due to specific regional requirements, and features may vary based on availability and other factors. When we have more details about the schedule, we will post them. In the meantime, we caution anyone considering the use of Motorola XOOM software that is not specifically intended for their region as this can seriously damage your device.

For any further assistance or information please do not hesitate to contact us, quoting your Customer Reference number. We are reachable on 0870 901 0555 to discuss the matter further with one of our experienced customer service agents. Please contact us anytime between the hours of 8:30am and 6pm Monday to Friday and Saturday 8am to 2pm.

Kind regards,

Motorola Mobility

0870 901 0555
[Xoom General] csseale:
So far we are up to a combined total of 172 signatures between the two petitions

roughly $137,600 in upset cash
[Xoom General] cpam:
nope it's 66 signature :confused:
[Xoom General] keitht:
Many duplicates so you cannot add the two together. I would forget about the old one other than sending emails to those that signed it of the new one if you are able to access that.
[Xoom General] ramyt:
Signed it
[Xoom General] cwizardtx:
Do these ever produce anything besides income for lawyers?
[Xoom General] sal_shawn:
Would be nice to get some answers.
[Xoom General] csseale:
If a media outlet would pick it up things would change drasticallly. I would request WE keep pushing this to engadget and droidlife.
[Xoom General] csseale:
yay

Numbers are looking good, getting a nice and steady increase. still need more, remember this is only a week, sooner we get this off the better. Saturday is the last day then i will get it printed off and in the mail by Sat. afternoon so hopefully they will have it at the start of the week.

Again its doing good, but MORE is better and thank you for those that signed up I am trying my best and your support is great
[Xoom General] msavic6:
Signed and sent to engadget, although I'm not in the states I would like an update to my xoom without rooting.
[Xoom General] csseale:
So this petition started a massive fight on the support forum....lol oops

I quit posting on there because the atmosphere is crazy in there. Anyways its good to stir up heat right