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[Verizon Droid Charge] ¿GotJazz?:
OK - First, judging from your Quadrant Score, you aren't rooted yet (or, running Voodoo on it). Voodoo replaces the stock SamChg RFS (Reiser File System?) with the more efficient ext3 file system. If the Quadrant scores can be believed (there's debate on this), my SamChg runs about 50% better, since I am getting a score of 1483.

Next - I tried GO Launcher EX, and while it isn't as fast as ADWLauncher EX, it's decent enough. Not enough to cause a 10 second delay, anyways.

So - Does the screen do a redraw almost every time you go back to your home page? If so, you are chomping up all your RAM somewhere. You could have an app that's a bad actor. You may also be doing a LOT of browsing.

How about widgets? Do you have many of those on your desktop? If so, they will suck up CPU/battery, even when you don't have your desktop displayed.

Are you using Live Wallpaper? Again, this will suck CPU/battery, even when you don't have your desktop displayed.

With using the TW Email app, did you set up all the accounts to have Verizon push messages automatically?

Cheers,
[Verizon Droid Charge] Riddlin:
Yes it redraws almost every time. I have one widget total on all 9 home screens. Not many Apps either maybe 5 per home screen. I called Verizon and they are sending me a new one. I will report back with that one.
[Verizon Droid Charge] ¿GotJazz?:
So, Riddlin' - Any better with your new SamChg?
[Verizon Droid Charge] tcollum:
Also, when you get a replacement through Amazon Wireless they send you a brand new, rather than a refurb.
[Verizon Droid Charge] s44:
Juice Defender is the power virus.
[Verizon Droid Charge] kwiggington:
I havent had any lag batterys ok better than the thundercrapper cant wait for ee4 one click to debloat

Sent from my Droid Charge
[Verizon Droid Charge] chaoscentral:
to anyone saying you get a refurb as a replacement you actually couldn't be further from the truth. You aren't getting a phone someone used for weeks or months and it broke and got repaired, you are getting a phone that for whatever reason could not be resold. Once a phone has been sold at Verizon it cannot be resold, so if someone buys a phone for a family member, gets it home and they change their mind, even though the phone hasnt been used it gets sent back to the warehouse and gets saved for device replacements. Even then the phones are still inspected at about 180 different points which is more so than OE factory checks. I'm kind of sick of this mis information floating around that everyone spouts as fact.

There is a difference between what Verizon calls CLNR devices which is what you get for a replacement, and actual refurbished units. CLNR stands for Certified Like New Replacement, a refurb is a refurb.
[Verizon Droid Charge] bash_array:
You just have to know what you are doing.... This phone is awesome with a few adjustments.... I gaurantee my droid charge will run circles over any droid X... If you need help making your phone bad-ayse lemme know.. (requires root)
[Verizon Droid Charge] distortedloop:
I definitely am not a noob with these devices, and I agree with the OP that this phone can get laggy as heck.

I am rooted, EE4, voodoo kernel (Imnuts'), ext4 enabled. I use Launcher Pro, don't use any of that crap like Juice Defender or a task killer, and still the phone gets laggy after a couple of hours of uptime. 10 seconds is not an exaggeration (I've time it with a watch) sometimes to switch apps or load the home screen.

I've looked over the logcat, used the top command, etc, and can't find the lag, but it's clearly a memory leak if the thing is snappy as can be on boot up and the lag builds over time.

I've tried tweaking the memory management with AutoKiller (this is NOT a task killer app), and can get longer life out of the phone before it becomes laggy, but lag eventually sets in.

I don't run any app or have anything installed (other than the TouchWiz stuff) on this Charge that isn't also installed on my Thunderbolt, my Nexus S, my SGS i9000, and my Nexus One. I do my best to make each phone a clone of the other in terms of setup and apps installed. I use all of these phones, and the Charge is the only one that gets laggy.

Might be defective hadware, but I'm dubious of that. Probably a bad app, but as stated above, none of my other phones with the same apps experience any lag at all. It would be interesting to see how heavy a user those who think it can't get laggy are compared to those of us who get some lag mid-day.

To the OP, given the phone in its stock state is RFS, it's gonna get some lag, especially on heavy i/o to the "disk" like installing apps; this has been a common theme on all the Galaxy S derivatives since the original i9000 that only installing Cyanogen or Voodoo mods removes. I hope your replacement isn't laggy for you, but rooting seems the best way to address lag on the Sammies.
[Verizon Droid Charge] bash_array:
You got me thinking about memory leaks and such when you mentioned that after a few hours the phone gets laggy and available memory is very short....

I installed an app called "startup auditor" which prevents non essential apps from starting on their own throughout the day and it seems to work quite well. I noticed that leaving my phone on the table after a fresh reboot for about 4 hours or so, I would pick the phone up and discover that hands free voice dialing, amazon mp3, google voice, mp3 downloader, google talk, etc etc would just start up automatically which eventually ate up more memory etc.

With that said, I would attribute some of the long term laginess to apps just starting on their own throughout the day.

If you have uninstalled/frozen all bloat and all non essential apk's and you still have midday laginess that does sound like a memory leak... I wish a logcat or some concrete evidence could be unearthed on that.

I am running Gummy EE4 1.75 rom, Imnuts 6-15-2011 OC kernel, OC to 1.3ghz, min set at 200mghz instead of 100, Undervolted to 1250 milivolts at higher clocks, LCD density =190, Voodoo lag fix and system lag fix, Startup auditor. I am not seeing any laginess at all. My available memory never drops below 140mb. May try this set up to see if you don't see laginess too. Thanks
[Verizon Droid Charge] letsgophillyingeneral:
I'm running an almost identical setup with similar results. I get 12-15 hours out of my battery with heavy use. I mean playing games, texting, using the browser (mainly 3G), customizing, etc.

Also, this phone never lags on me. I have no idea what you guys are smoking. This thing flies :cool:
[Verizon Droid Charge] addictedtocars:
Power button location sucks! I don't find the phone laggy with EE4 update.
[Verizon Droid Charge] dobo84:
Rooooooootttttt and rooooommm will = awesomeness
[Verizon Droid Charge] linkismyhero:
I'm running GummyCharged 1.7.5 with the CWM Voodoo Lagfix Recovery, I just changed my screen density to 190 (not really digging the super pixelated icons, but I can deal with it), and I wasn't really sure if I should mess with the clock speed or voltage (nor do I have any idea how to do it, for that matter).

How much would my battery life improve if I screwed around with the voltage?
[Verizon Droid Charge] letsgophillyingeneral:
I have no idea, I didn't screw with my voltage.
[Verizon Droid Charge] distortedloop:
Thanks. I use AutoStarts, does the same thing you describe for startup auditor.

Lag got so bad on me last night that it was 10-20 seconds to move from any app to anything else, including the home screen. I put the phone down in frustration and switched to my Thunderbolt, then a couple of minutes later I saw the Charge's screen turn on to the lockscreen on its own, then it proceeded to reboot on its own, full reboot, not just a hot restart. Phone was snappy the rest of the evening.

Probably time to try a custom ROM just to make sure. Maybe uninstall and reinstall voodoo.

To the guy who wonders what those of us with lag are smoking, I think it's called medical mj. LOL.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Riddlin:
It is alittle better on the battery and lag side of things. I gave it a few days to see how things went before I posted. It still takes forever to redraw things. There has to be a program dragging this thing down.

Funny part I ran another Quadrant score and now my score dropped more to 839. Battery life is ok. Still nothing like my DX or incredible. Although, those were both rooted. This one is not. I have been thinking of not rooting this phone, but if I cant stop this lag I will have to do something.

Im not a brain wizard when it comes to rooting phones. I like a one touch root or something that is pretty simple. This one looks alittle more difficult then the Droid, Incredible or DX
[Verizon Droid Charge] Riddlin:
Exactly my point. "Like new" it isnt new. It should be new my phone was only 3 weeks old.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Riddlin:
I think I found the culprit. It was a Touchwiz UI theme under Go Launcher that was causing a ton of lag. Switched it out and everything seems to run smoother. I ran a new Quadrant score and it now is at 957. Battery is a bit better also. I guess I will keep my fingers crossed.
[Verizon Droid Charge] guruleenyc:
I'm using launcherpro and it hangs all the time to re load after lock, etc.
[Verizon Droid Charge] ¿GotJazz?:
I'm using ADW EX (the paid version), and it works fantastically ... smooth as silk everywhere (as long as you don't ever use live wallpapers). Very few redraws.

Note: ADW EX is better than the free ADW launcher.

Give it a chance if you have a few minutes! :)
[Verizon Droid Charge] guruleenyc:
My charge is so laggggy too!

Quadrant showed 1198, but redraw and launcherpro is painfully slow and constantly falling out of memory, unlike epic experience!!

Rooted with viper kernal and still in stock ROM....
[Verizon Droid Charge] distortedloop:
I concur, Live Wallpapers really bog down this phone. It's turning into so much more of a disappointing device every day. I tried running the simple rotating galaxy LWP on my Charge yesterday, and despite having voodoo, bloatware removed, Gummy rom on the phone, it was lag city again.

Mind boggling that such good hardware can be so horrible at stuff lesser hardware doesn't even bat an eye at.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] thre3aces:
has anyone got battleheart to work on the latest miui. I bought the game off the android market and it works fine on iceandfire (supercharged) but on miui it wont work. can anyone help. It clsoes after the batterheart logo (stays on black screen for a while then closes). Im guessing this is a ram issue. correct me if im wrong

Charlie

P.s im using zepplinrox's supercharger for miui too :)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] rrohanjs:
on the market it says it is compatible with moto milestone so i guess if u can run it on stock then ther must be sumthin to do with the rom .. cuz ive also experienced tht certain games dnt work on miui but work on cronos ..

if it was a free games i wud have tried it n let u knw ..
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] thre3aces:
Interesting. Dunno what's wrong with miui
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] josecabre:
the problem with miui is the ram,that rom takes a lot of ram,so the games crash very offen
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] rrohanjs:
have u played modern combat 2 .. its very heavy on graphics n ive played it without ne glitch n lag on cronos .. with miui it did lag .. so i presume its the rom at fault ..
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] thre3aces:
Yea I play modern combat 2. Its a great game. Can't believe its only £3. It seems to work fine on iceandfire.

Damn I was hoping it wouldn't be a ram issue with miui. If only the milestone had swap.

Charlie
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] rrohanjs:
sorry but what does swap do .. can u explain ? .. i got no idea ???
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] thre3aces:
Well a swap space/file is like an extension of ram. Think of it as adding some extrra ram to your phone. But the issue is a swap space is no where near as fast as ram so it makes your phone "slower" when it is used. But then at least with a swap space/file apps and stuff won't crash.

Charlie
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] rrohanjs:
i guess in less than 6 months all of us will have to get new phones .. with the technology improving the way it is milestone will b a milestone in history :P
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] thre3aces:
Not neccessarily. I don't see myself getting a new phone. The milestone does everything I want and with its flexible voltage selection the battery lasts a long time. Hehehe. I'm sticking to my milestone since I have a herotab c8m to do all my gaming and films
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] vikramsinghrana:
MIUI can be RAM intensive over time even if it doesn't come accross laggy when running after a fresh boot.

However few hours after i have noticed random lags most probably due to RAM management issues.

IMO, the device is a bit limiting. and for obvious reasons.

mobile tech has been developing like a bottle rocket....

and milestone has been like the first generation terminator.... ;)

strong & rigid while easy with expansion/developement....
[XPERIA X10 General] hagisbasheruk:
I just had some bad news : requesting open bootloader for X10

SEAnswers Sony Ericsson Global

@hagisbasheruk There are no plans for that as of now.

:mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] Denie46:
So what do you say, do we get unlocked bootloader ?
[XPERIA X10 General] hagisbasheruk:
No UNLOCKED bootloader as of now, doesn't rule out a future unlock though so mabey we need a new petition started to get this feature for our great developers on here.
[XPERIA X10 General] htcsnap93:
Bear in mind that there will be no special sony erricson features on the 2.3.3 they are dropping all that. So my feeling says it might be unlocked.

Also I emailed sony netherlands a week a go with the same question about the bootloader of 2.3.3. They said 2.1 was the final version. I think they only know how to random press the keyboard and hit enter.
[XPERIA X10 General] superleeds27:
Yeah, half of these places you contact have no idea. In fact sometimes we probably know more than them!
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Don't put your hope into this, one the GB update hasn't released yet, not everyone in the company knows about it (yet).
[XPERIA X10 General] svtfmook:
SE already stated that the bootloader will not be unlockable for the X10 due to contracts and legal obligations already in place with 3rd party vendors.

even if you [SE] unlock the bootloader after the 2.3, then the bootloader can be unlocked for 1.6 and 2.1 devices leaving 3rd party apps (at&t bloatware, moxier, etc) vulnerable.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Yes just like we won't get a 2.3 update. They announced 2.3 after the bootloader unlocking program. So im sure we get unlocked.
[XPERIA X10 General] svtfmook:
uh, read SE's blog, it's listed specifically. all new devices will get bootloaders unlocked. X10, x10 mini, x8, etc, will not due to existing contracts in place and legal obligations.

they are going to update to 2.3 due to google's recent news release about pushing manufacturers to continue development on existing devices and stopping them from abondoning the user base.

so yes, SE previously stated that GB wouldn't come to the X10, but google is pushing manufactures to continue updates when possible on devices.

it has nothing to do with sony's abilities, but rather their obligations.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
So what, they can surprise us just like always.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
It may not be true but don't you think this is the reason why only the Generic unlocked X10s are getting the update. There are no plans to update carrier locked X10s..
[XPERIA X10 General] svtfmook:
not legally, which means unlikely.
[XPERIA X10 General] blueowl0708:
The bootloader has been bypassed anyway, why does this even matter?
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Because it's way better then just having it bypassed.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Do you actually believe that Sony Ericsson will give you info about something that they not have made official yet? You can ask them anything and they will give you a similarly answer. You will see that the bootloader will be unlocked. ;)

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] webbsmurfen:
Thats not true. The Swedish phonecompanys 3, Telia and Telenor will be able to update their branded 2.1 to 2.3.3.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Thats true but you must take in that Swedish companies/ carrier is not as the companies / carriers in the states and we have only asked the custom service on those carrier so nothing is for shore yet.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] htcsnap93:
I think we need proof.

First there wouldnt be 2.1. Now there is.

First there wouldnt be 2.3, there will be.

That are the only facts where you can resource your data out.

Several attempts of me trying to get a clear awnser from SE failed. They allways tell you something else.
[XPERIA X10 General] blueowl0708:
Oh really, why exactly is it better?

The reason we wanted the bootloader cracked was to custom kernels, this is possible through bypass.

If the bootloader was cracked/open, we'd have the exact same kernels with the exact same progress/bugs as we do now. I fail to see the benefit, but I might be missing something.

If anything, bypass is better, as if something goes REALLY wrong then you can still revert back to stock quite easily.

To me it smacks of just wanting to say that it's been cracked as some sort of nerd "status" symbol, although if anyone can prove otherwise then fair enough :)
[XPERIA X10 General] webbsmurfen:
I asked them both. (In this case, Telenor and SE. Sorry about cut n paste)
[XPERIA X10 General] FabricioGS:
I think you need one ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] lightyear420:
They also told us we wouldn't get any firmware updates beyond 2.1 because of hardware limitations

Zdzihu made 2.2 run almost 100% before SE could realize what was happening

we've already got aosp 2.3 and official 2.3 on the way

then they told us that dualtouch was physically impossible

I dunno about you, but I can use two fingers now lol

They told us the bootloader couldn't be bypassed

I've been using J's custom kernels for close to 2 months

sooooo....do you still believe SE when they say something isn't possible or won't be done???
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Sorry, I just want to address because this because some of the info is wrong. I feel like I need to say something or else the next person is going to repeat it with more fallacies. Please, don't take it personal - just thinking of future peoples who will read it.

1) They never said 2.1 was the last OS because of hardware limitations. They said it was going to be the last because it took them too long to get 2.1 on the device that it pushed future updates off the schedule. They showed 2.2 running on an X10 when they introduced the Arc.

2) They never said dual-touch was impossible. Source?

3) They never said anything about cracking/bypassing the bootloader. If anything was said, it would have been forum members who looked at the security. And at the time, everyone was talking about cracking it - not bypassing it.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I actually read some of those statements on the blog..
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Just admit he got has bitten you in your ass lol. It made my day, and if you want the source just use Google or read their blog. I can confirm that they said that there were hardware limitations for Android 2.2 (We've same HW as Desire), they also said we've got hardware limitations for dual touch. Look what we've got now, I'm pretty sure I can use 2 fingers O.o. The only thing is that our dual touch is ''faked'', and I'm pretty sure of this.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Why are you saying that? Because of the axis bug?

That's present in the Desire and Nexus One...

Is it fake dual touch in those cases too? :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I remember they said the x10 does not have enough memory for these versions of the OS.

Also x10 Mini Pro :rolleyes: clearpad 2000 ... :rolleyes: right.. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
OmegaRED^...

:p
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
No.. never.

My x10 has got it's niggles but i still love her. :p

My uncle had one.. it was like.. like.. like this pic i attached.

BTW in this case i'm luke skywalker. :p

Those phones were terrible.
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Lol, admit what? I used google and read through SE's blog. NOWHERE do they mention that they X10 doesn't have the hardware for froyo. I can't even find any 2.2 minimum specs from Google themselves. And considering that devices with 600 mhz on older architectures run froyo, I find it hard to believe.

I dunno... I'm being told that they officially said that it was incapable, physically impossible with nothing but hearsay. I'm not calling you a liar, but I would like to read it and can't find these sources myself... Since you can confirm it, please - confirm it.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Agree.

Actually what they said at the time is that they felt that the 2.1 update was just enough for the X10 and the user experience was on par with other phones running Froyo.

And about the decision to move on to GB, they said that working on GB for the Arc gave them the experience to be able to adapt it for the X10.

I think that makes sense. We may not have liked it back then,

but it is legit. And I thought that the GB update would shut some pieholes,

but noooooooo... We have to whine and cry! We have to.

:D :D :D :D

:p
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
So true.. too much :mad: :(

Too little :p :D :)
[XPERIA X10 General] svtfmook:
whoa, look at that, yet another thread blown up to unnecessary proportions filled with nonsense, false information and trolling.

way to represent the x10 community yet again...
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Have you used Google? ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] jayman1986:
Guys, I've learnt that the only reliable source to trust is RIKARD SKOGBERG over at the launch blog. And he says he doesn't even know about the details for 2.3 update yet.

Those other sources and the one mentioned by the OP is just irrelevant as they just mention what they know NOW.

How can they know the answer to something even RIKARD doesn't know yet? And why would they even reveal them?
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Maybe he knows, but doesn't tell it us yet.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
SE didn't say the X10 couldn't run froyo due to hardware. SE said that when they compared vanilla froyo to the unique x10 2.1 user experience, including Timescape-Mediascape-Face Recognition-custom UI, that froyo did not greatly improve the user experience. So they originally decided to keep working on the unique x10 experience rather than going vanilla android. The additional months and cost of development required to bring the unique x10 experience to Froyo was too much. However, the Arc and Play projects made bringing Gingerbread to the X10 possible and cost effective.
[XPERIA X10 General] diimaan:
I think this was also from SE!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] bharadwaj1991:
Even if it closed I though SE said they wouldn't make it any different than what it is now...so we could still 'bypass' it like we have now. I personally like it with only bypass it means I can keep flashing kernels and not worry about bricking.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
The problem is we don't know whether or not SE would patch that 'hole' in our 2.3 update, so I think an open bootloader is better.