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[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Your rite. See knewbs can be aggrivating,but we were once all one our selves. And yes,knewbs should search and read first,and if they have a problem,then ask a question. But someone shouldn't jump down there throat off the bat,assuming they didn't search first. I mean,sometimes I have a hard time finding something by googlin it and my gf will find it with one search LOL. So its not just the knewbs clustering the place,its also people who Jump down there throat and cause an argument that lasts 2 pages worth of thread. Here's an example of how I think it should be done

Knewb: " i tried to install android evelution and keep getting reboots"

Member: " did you search?"

Knewb: "yes and I can't find anything on it"

Member: "ok try full wiping,then reflashing. If that doesent work,post back here and im sure we can help you out"

See,like give them an easy answer ya know? And if they cone back saying it didn't work,then its time to be the members of a great forum,and help the guy,atleast tell him what to read through to resolve the problem. On the other hand,if a knewb comes off like there not even willing to try and help there selves,then don't even respond. In the long run it will save a lot of space on the forum. Instead of being jerks,we can guide the knewbs to being a intelligent user,that way they will be the ones answering questions down the road. Of we did that,then it would save time for the more experienced users to make great stuff for us here at xda. I'm not taking up for knewbs here,I'm just saying that there not the only ones clustering the place. And I'm not talking about the guys who come off as a jerk because there responding to something over the internet,I mean the ones who snap on a knewb,without leaving nothing but an half ass answer,and a rude comment that leads to a huge argument.

My 2cents,I have plenty more :D
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Rite. See the users that have knowledge,need to guide the knewbs so there will be more experienced users to do so. Sometimes I come off as taking up for the knewbs,but its just that the people that's been here a while or have intelligence about all this,can make this place better,and control situations if we just do like you said,and say hey "try searching a little bit next time bud" instead of "omg you rlidiot,go search before you post" ya know?
[HTC Inspire 4G] fernandezhjr:
I wonder why threads aren't merged. I've visited forums before where similiar threads are merged.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
A lot of work to do it, I'd imagine. It's a good idea, but seems like it would require a lot of tending.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
The problem with your noob/member example dialog is when the question, "did you search," answered with "yeah, and I couldn't find anything" part happens.

9 out of 10 times the "yeah, but I couldn't find anything..." is bull****. An experienced member will see right through that little white lie, because he knows for a fact how easily that answer could've been found, and therefore knows the noob is bullshitting just to get a quick no-work answer.

These results in the experienced member getting pissed off, because he knows this noob is trying to get over on him, and makes him want to help even less.

That's how I've had it go down, personally.

And I really don't mind helping people, even with easily searched answers. I don't always chew out people with these types of posts. It's *how* they ask, bow they come across a lot of times, that sets me off with one person, yet not for another.

Not to mention, I'm kinda moody. :p
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
Hey dumb ass I gave you an answer. I then directed my next statement to someone else ( the op for that matter so he could add some new instructions to help. So that people wouldn't have to search.). You threw a fit and got offended. Now your crying somewhere else here we go again. Do yourself a favor "my friend" get a life and learn to read. Don't waste our time with your cry baby games. And boy you didn't read that well. My response was on the very next page.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
Wow really man lol. My original answer to you in the other post was try this. Then a comment to the op to add that in the instructions (looked alot like the way you just mentioned how it "should be answered"). Then you flamed me for answering your question in a manner you didn't find fit lol. Boy this guy really is a waste of time. I'm not even going to waste more time on you. You cant even see past your own keyboard.
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Bro you came straight off being an ass,and assuming i wad illiterate. And im sorry if i don't catch every single post on each thread,I have a life,a real one. I see you take pride in your nerdyness,and mine is just a hobby,so to shut you up,you win. K? Now go eat a POP cycle and don't comment on my stuff anymore. Got it Bro?
[HTC Inspire 4G] nhshah7:
Guys the point of this thread was not to bring flaming from another thread over to this one. Unwrinkle your panties please :D

My 2 cents to the recent conversation is that newbs wwill be newbs and that is always going to be true. Regardless of whether they piss us off and don't actually read, that's how life is. You can either let it bother you, help the issue without being nasty, or piss off people and sour others' experience on the forum.

I love this place so lets try to keep it a good informative place for people without flaming egos please.
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
You have a point there. You know when someone goes to post a new thread with a question or something,and it shows a few threads related by the topic name. Maybe it should be like that before someone even makes a post asking a question. Or something along those lines. I do agree with an earlier post here though,that knewbs have started so much threads asking questions that have already been answered,that searching usually leads a indented into confusion. Maybe if there was a way to make it a requirement to read the related threads,before making a new one
[HTC Inspire 4G] nhshah7:
Not a bad idea. Ie for people under 10 posts. Is there any chance the mods will actually do something like this? /can they?
[HTC Inspire 4G] SiL3nTKiLL:
just merge threads, sum people arent smart enough to use the search button
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Well then knewbs would go and get there post count up,hence clustering even more LOL. It's a battle that may never be won
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
You know its funny how you read that I came off as an ass. No you assumed I did ( A noob mistake. You can't hear tone of voice or any form of emotion in a forum/thread lol.). Oh yea here's my "nerdyness" (This guy has to be in grade school. He doesn't use proper english intentionally.) I win I win. And here's to your life hope you are better at it then the search feature lol.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
Your right. I was only showing how I agreed with you by showing how a noob treated people in another thread because they didn't like the answer they got( And how I personally reacted to someone throwing a fit cause the felt scolded. Which I admitted I was wrong in the way I flamed the noob.). Sorry he came over here crying in your thread about all that. That wasn't the point. Nor the intention.
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Bro you still at it?. And I'm noo knewb,I've been here a while,and before here another forum. I ran into one problem. Back the duck off,you just wanna seem important you loser
[HTC Inspire 4G] fernandezhjr:
The biggest complaint I see is the same questions that have already been answered being asked over and over again, yet we have one sticky. Nothing against mudknots sticky. It is fantastic for tutorials about rooting and flashing roms and radios. If some of the threads about other basic and/or related stuff were stickied, noobs might actually post in that thread and not create a new one. I find it rather odd for a sub forum of this size with this many threads to only have one sticky.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
Absolutely. I've long thought there was a serious shortage of stickies in these sections.

It's not like people don't give a "vote for sticky..." I see it all the time on the better threads around here.

I don't think the Mods go that deep into these threads often enough to identify "sticky candidates."

I think mudknot actually pm'd a request to Mr. Clown to have him sticky his guide, after of course, several votes in favor of doing so were posted in the thread, mine being one of those votes.

Mr. Clown did make it a sticky, of course, so maybe it's just a question of us members needing to be more vocal by way of pm's to Mr. Clown to get more stickies happening.

Candidates for stickies:

Inspire only radio thread in dev

How to flash radio without eng s-off, also in dev...

There's more, these are two off the top of my head.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
Thread lockdown commencing in 5...4...3...2...1

There is actually some good discussion in here, aside from the personal beefs flaring up.

@Mr. Clown:

Before you lock this thread down, perhaps you can provide some additional guidance on:

[*] searching before posting new, duplicative threads

[*] thread merging

[*] process/requirements for getting threads stickied?
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Also what if we had a sticky where people posted there ideas on how to keep the cluster and confusion down,an once a week a mod reads through and see's if he see's any good ideas. Just an idea
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
Any constructive ideas to address issues and make this place as harmonious as possible are good things.

Getting the Mods on board is the kicker.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
I like the idea of more stickies. Try and come up with some more for the more common issues people have. Maybe some videos for people having trouble understanding the instructions.
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
I have an idea. We should form a team,with users who make helpful videos,helpful links and don't mind answering questions,or making step by step guides
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
You mean like mudknot already did on what is currently the only stickied thread?

If the process shown in a video has any chance of becoming revised in the future, it can cause trouble.

Case in point: the hack kit by Attn1. He updated the kit drastically, the old video done by somebody else was still being viewed by people, and it caused a lot of confusion.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
Your right there. Although alot of that could be cured with common sense lol. If you see a video from two months ago and are reading a post updated a week ago maybe the video isn't right lol. It is hard to do videos when things change so much. I don't think videos would be the best fix for all issues. But things like flashing a rom. Although I don't see how reading all the info could be so confusing. But i will say when i was using rcmix in there thread they had a video for proper wiping for their rom. It helped alot and I still use that method when flashing other roms.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
The only video I've used, and at the time, needed, was the video that zonderion made to walk thru bubby's simple root tool.

It filled in some spots I was unsure about, and really insured a completely problem-free rooting process for me.

Videos in general, for me, aren't necessary, but a picture-based walk-through I still find valuable. I found Mudknots ROM flashing picture step-by-step to be incredibly helpful, for example.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
I agree. I can pick up most info I need from reading. I used the hack kit worked great first time and gad no issues. I'm quick to learn anyway. Maybe a video on how to use the search feature lol.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ST3ALTHPSYCH0:
Common Sense, in my general public?! Ain't gonna happen
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
I know that's why I "lol". Its sad the lack of common sense in this country.
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Yeah your rite. Maybe we just need you as a mod lol. You have a very good out look on things and I've seen some of your responses to some self explanatory questions around here,and you provide good,but firm answers. You'd have my vote

EDIT: also,I have seen that it seems the inspire has attracted a lot of first time android users. I read the incredible forum,Droid x forum,hero forum,captivated forum because i flash roms on my familys members phones. I read the general forums on all those phones throughout the whole day,and the inspire forum is the only one that looks clustered. For instance last night I seen 2 threads on undervolting and 2 threads on battery problems. So like I said,we may just need another mod,like you Scott
[HTC Inspire 4G] Four-Fifty-X:
+1000

Same reason I stopped visiting Howard Forums a few years ago. Couldn't stand seeing the same questions over and over and over from people that were too lazy to do 5 minutes of research or to rtfm.

"how do I change the ringtone for a contact?"

"what's a gold card"?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
Haha. Thanks. I actually wouldn't mind doing it.

Some of those "firm answers" I give are actually walking a very thin line... I've had to bite my tongue to keep some them from being downright ruthless.

And yeah, I agree on the new user/other forums thing. Take for example the desire hd forum. Those stickies by the mod over there don't **** around. So clearly there are different management styles for these sub forums.

I think its important for a mod to own the phone of the forum he's moderating, it would seem you have more of a vested interest in maintaining it, and have an awareness of the phone that allows you to better adjust the forum to the users, as necessary.

I'm sure that's not always possible with a place like this, as phones get old quick, but users still remain in the forums, and all, but...

Anyway, thanks again for your vote of confidence. :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] brd912:
Lol yeah I noticed some of the questions you were answering were rite out ridiculous. And yeah,a mod should own the phone but like you said they get old quick. The sad thing is the first one to jump to a different phone are the more advanced members.
[HTC Inspire 4G] diablo009:
Oh yes, this is understandable. Had I not had experience with Captivate, I'd have been totally clueless with Inspire. But then, well, even the most patient of advanced guys tend to get pissed off when the same question is asked again and again, and when some people don't even read the OP first.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
Yup. The "advanced" ones tend to go first.

'Tis the thrill of breaking a new phone. ;)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boskki:
Hi i have a Touch Diamond 2 and am having some serious difficulties!

I've had the Energy ROM installed for about 3 months and all has been good until Sat.

My phone was hanging with the turn on screen(htc across middle) when i tried to turn it on and would just stay like that until i removed battery.

To solve the issue i have tried installing new ROM's with varying success. I have tried un grading to the new Energy ROM and it seems to work for a bit then turns itself off and wont turn back on until i remove battery again. I've also tried going back to the official ROM's. The WM 6.1 version does the same as the Energy ROM and the WM 6.5 one is even worse as it continues to give me the start up screen as before!

Is my phone dead or do i need to do something to get it back working again?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers Sean
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neocyke:
Sounds to me like the NAND is dying.. or just corrupted. Try HardSPL instead of ROMs. Possibly the bootloader is bad.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boskki:
Cheers for the quick reply, I have just re-done the HardSPL to 2.51 now running with it and Energy ROM. Will see long long it works for but not overly optimistic the now! Will keep you updtaed.

Sean
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boskki:
Nope thats it turned itself off already! Bloody annoying!!!!!!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NoRmAlY_CrAzY:
Is your SD card ok,sometimes these things happen when windows is not able to communicate with the sd card properly.
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] lunzi88:
Hi guys, was wondering if there is any apps or ways we can actually capture a video of the phone interface without using a external camera.
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] WiredPirate:
Ive had this in my Read it Later list for a while but never tried it. Its not an app tho it runs on the computer afaik.
[HTC Aria Android Development] attn1:
http://alpharev.nl/x/beta/

If you have another hboot, you are SOL without upgrading to hboot 1.02.0000
[HTC Aria Android Development] jacobas92:
sweetness.
[HTC Aria Android Development] drowningchild:
worked for me :)
[HTC Aria Android Development] unsivil_audio:
Sooooo tempted to flash OTA 2.2 just to use this to s-off. Somebody try it on the .57 bootloader to see if it works for s-off!:D
[HTC Aria Android Development] drowningchild:
says only supports 1.02
[HTC Aria Android Development] unsivil_audio:
Strange, you would think an exploit in 1.02 would also exist in anything earlier and could be utilized.
[HTC Aria Android Development] katz:
I got .057 on mine ... was holding off on pushing the upgrade ... but I guess its time to get the hboot up to specs
[HTC Aria Android Development] drowningchild:
i would hold off until official but who knows :)

i updated just for this, i was told it only supports 1.02
[HTC Aria Android Development] zervic:
So, in theory...you could nandroid back up your CM7, update to 2.2.2 and then S-OFF and then nandroid restore your CM7 back up?
[HTC Aria Android Development] drowningchild:
what i did :)
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
I pulled the trigger and upgraded with RUU to get HBOOT 1.02.0000, but alas, now I'm stuck. It hangs at "Acquiring root (method 1)..."

Oh Well. Hope they get a newer beta soon. Can't mess with my Aria now.
[HTC Aria Android Development] drowningchild:
was done for me in about 5 seconds?

sorry :(
[HTC Aria Android Development] zervic:
Roger...looks like i'll have to get a Live CD made and get this tonight...need to find directions for updating to 2.2.2 :s
[HTC Aria Android Development] katz:
I did a RUU update and when I got back to the channel window BETA WAS CLOSED ...
[HTC Aria Android Development] drowningchild:
told you to hold off :(
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
OK, reran from my gentoo box instead of my ubuntu VM and it worked. I'm a little annoyed that it says ---AlphaRev--- at the top of HBOOT. Won't make it easy to slip by the att warranty desk.
[HTC Aria Android Development] jacobas92:
Well this sucks, I missed it. Now lets wait another month for the actual release lol...
[HTC Aria Android Development] attn1:
So what's to stop you from flashing the stock 2.2.2 RUU to return it - erasing the aplharev hboot?
[HTC Aria Android Development] attn1:
Oh - two two twain - Truman Capote. :p

Get it?
[HTC Aria Android Development] Gene Poole:
Tried that. Shows all the images then shows "Bypassed" next to hboot and some message scrolls by like "cannot roll back hboot image" or something like that.
[HTC Aria Android Development] Darius_bd:
.

Yay, rocking S-OFF! Thanks to all ppl behind AlpharevX, Zervic for his windows guide and ATTN1 for helping me at the IRC channel ;)

Btw, AlpharevX wasnt working for me till I changed the USB cable to a port where no printer was ever plugged and I also removed the HTC Sync. Just in case. Then AlpharevX went in like a breeze
[HTC Aria Android Development] ChargingPaladin:
Unsivil_audio, Drumist, thanks for the info. I wiped battery stats two days ago, after I became suspicious. Things seem to be leveling out but I could just be imagining that too. I was at 20% after 10 hours yesterday, no out-of-the-ordinary usage, a little worse than I'm used to seeing. :/

Full disclosure, that was at work where I've always had a hard time maintaining a 3g+ connection which has always tanked my battery life. So, not entirely surprising. Also seeing similar drain just around town which is the worrisome part.

Without data though I'm just going to give it more time.
[HTC Aria Android Development] drumist:
Please understand that once you wipe battery stats you're going to get wonky battery readings afterward. It takes time for the phone to relearn how the battery performs.
[HTC Aria Android Development] seboj:
Same here. Wouldn't get past the 'beta key accepted' line until I changed USB ports and uninstalled HTC Sync.

Followed lilhaiti's write-up on page 10, and good-to-go.

Thanks everyone :)
[HTC Aria Android Development] ChargingPaladin:
Definitely, that's part of why I'm waiting to draw any conclusions.
[HTC Aria Android Development] attn1:
I can say this with absolutely no uncertainty: S-OFF by itself is NOT impacting your battery life.

Please take this battery discussion elsewhere, as it is completely off topic here. Thank you.
[HTC Aria Android Development] themacman1000:
Dear attn1, thanks for putting up with my shenanigans on the alpharevx irc channel.

You really helped me out there.

Thanks for being awesome and super helpful too.

Cheers to S-OFF!!!

Cairan (macman on the irc channel)
[HTC Aria Android Development] ChargingPaladin:
Duly noted. Will certainly do if it warrants more discussion. Thanks!
[HTC Aria Android Development] chilimac02:
After performing the s-off (super-spy style) is there any way to go back to s-on?

I am asking because I ran CM6 then 7 on an aria for a while then the gps died and I had to get warranty service on it. Thankfully I was able to put the thing back in factory condition before I took it in to get looked at.

I'd like that option again in the future.

PS no I did not drop kick it, or throw it in a lake.
[HTC Aria Android Development] attn1:
no, not without a "downgrader" hboot from alpharev. These hboots have overwrite protection so that an OTA or RUU doesn't wipe them out, and whatever exploits are available to do it again.
[HTC Aria Android Development] bunky213:
Woo hoo!

Yay S-OFF!

I finally went and did this after a bit of nervousness (so many successes reported here, it's gotta be ok!).

Updated HBoot (Dang! I forgot about that annoying ATT noisy boot!)

Ran alpharevx a few times getting this error:

_rawadb_handle_msg:unknown command 69766564

Then it went through like so:

Acquiring root (method 1)...

Sending in Caroline...

Cleaning up...

Rebooting to fastboot...

Waiting for fastboot...

When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!

Rebooting to fastboot (again)...

Waiting for fastboot...

FAILED - Go have some lemonade!

Press (almost) any key to exit.

At first I figured I'd need to go through another pass to try again, but when I looked at my phone I saw the "beautiful" alpharevx banner and S-OFF!

Yay!

ATTN1's recovery installation couldn't be simpler, and now I'm nandroid recovering by system back to mine (couldn't stand to look at the HTC color bubbles much longer).

Thanks for everyone's help here!
[HTC Aria Android Development] frenchie007:
this is fantastic! i got my s-off finally! thank you!!
[HTC Aria Android Development] boxcar8028:
can we please, please, get a flashable zip version that will work with cm7 and aria's with H-boot 0.57 this will be so helpful for us users that are not developer types. :)
[HTC Aria Android Development] drumist:
It's not possible. There's not really any way to make the process simpler.

It's really not that bad. Basically the process is:

1) Run the AT&T 2.2.2 RUU to update HBOOT to 1.02.

2) Run AlphaRevX to patch HBOOT to get S-OFF.

3) Install Clockworkmod Recovery via FASTBOOT.

And you're back in business.
[HTC Aria Android Development] lsusparky621:
+1 to what drumist said.
[HTC Aria Android Development] Darius_bd:
Besides, if you're not the "dev type" as you put it, then you're not in need of S-OFF
[HTC Aria Android Development] themacman1000:
Yup, what he said (almost). :)

Sent from my HTC Liberty S using a finger