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[HTC EVO 3D] random1204:
Berardi, isn't that just the HTC Kingdom?
[HTC EVO 3D] berardi:
Another new phone for sprint??? Damn lol 3d photon and kingdom.... sprint doing well. My problem is I need to use my upgrade by June 30 I'm a member of the ghetto sprint premier club. Lol
[HTC EVO 3D] mahalocat:
Kingdom is rumored to be smaller ... hero2.
[HTC EVO 3D] AyoJake:
not as good as i'd like but it gives me hope that i will be able to get decent pictures.
[HTC EVO 3D] Dreddge:
The difference between 8 and 5 megapixels is not going to be noticeable to the naked eye unless you are really zooming in when reviewing the pics or making large prints with them. The actual hardware and software of the camera is what is going to make the difference. So unless you are using macro or making posters out of your pics, you wont notice the difference. honestly anything over 5 mp is a waste on a cell phone...or a camera for that matter. And im not just speaking from my ass. I know cameras. I use to run a photo lab, then was a sales manager at CC before they went belly up. My personal camera is a 5 mp, and it takes better pics than my dads 12 mp sony. In fact my 5mp olympus takes better pics than my 8 mp evo lol.

Sent from the bowels of my mind....
[HTC EVO 3D] Dreddge:
This is why we cant have nice things.

Sent from the bowels of my mind....
[HTC EVO 3D] Rydah:
Why so harsh? No one asked for yours specifically either.

Anyways, I'm sure it will kick ass.
[HTC EVO 3D] berardi:
I wasn't calling someone whiny for a legitimate discussion.
[HTC EVO 3D] jessejames111981:
why why why do people keep citing 5mp and think that automatically makes the camera inferior? there is more to a camera than the mp!!!

Personally I feel if you are that concerned about taking awesome pictures get a dslr camera. I just use my phone to hold me over but If i really plan on taking pics i use my nikon d40. Cheap dslr and awesome quality
[HTC EVO 3D] codito:
5MP is more than sufficient for high quality pictures. We're at essentially a technological barrier with the size of cell phones becoming thinner, because this increases the difficulty in putter in higher quality visual equipment like sensors and lenses. THAT is what will increase your image quality on a cell phone, not MORE MEGAPIXELS!! Just look at the iPhone 4, it's 5 megapixel camera does a really amazing job, where as unless it's bright out, my nexus one takes decent pictures and mostly awful video.
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
Totally agree the iPhone 4 prob is the best camera on phone and 5mp..I remember when 5 mps on an actual camera was top of the line..take it with a grain of salt..the quality if the sensor and attached software is what's important..now if it released with a 3.2 mp I'd be pissed
[HTC EVO 3D] Cubfan99:
I hope it's right to compare what we see coming from the Sensation. I've been TOTALLY impressed with HD video from that phone, especially when compared to the over-exposed and cold-looking videos from the SGS2. Then again, the Samsung does much better in low-light.

Some of the initial reviews with still samples have been equally impressive. Some of the low-light stuff is less impressive, but that's to be expected.

Still on the fence between the HTC and the Samsung, but leaning toward the HTC (or at least trying it). I, for one, am looking forward to playing with 3D, as it sounds really fun.
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
brohams, i get the whole 5MP vs 8MP isn't that big a difference because other stuff needs to be taken into consideration. my point is this, getting the EVO last year (2010), i had in my possession a 8MP capable phone. Being lucky enough to reset my upgrade (thanks to the thread on XDA), I will be able to get the EVO 3D this year (2011).

Assuming that I keep the EVO 3D for 2 years to fulfill the contract, I see it as having a 5 MP camera for that long while I am sure other phones will be out in that span with 8 or 10 MP cameras. And yes I understand, the megapixels isn't everything. But for bragging rights, a quick look at that number sure helps ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] ebolamonkey3:
Well if you want bragging rights, there are rumors of phones w/ 12mp and 16mp cameras coming out by end of the year or early 2012. That's a game you don't want to be playing.

TBH, if the EVO 3D's camera is on par w/ the iPhone 4's camera, I would be more than happy. What's important to me is the quality of the camera, and not how many megapixels it has. What good is it to me if I have a 30mp camera on my phone and it sucks?

From the phonescoop review though, the reviewer had really good things to say about EVO 3D's camera in 2D and 3D, so that's good news at least.
[HTC EVO 3D] unCoRrUpTeD:
If you want to take god looking photos get a real camera. I have an old Olympus camera from 7 years ago that is only 3.2mp. I keep it in my car, so it is always handy if I need it. Then I have 2 other cameras that I keep at home. My phone is used for "in the moment pics and video".

The lens and sensor quality will give you great photos. Even if you had an 8mp camera, but the lens and sensor quality is crappy, your pictures won't be great. So to base anything off of megapixel's alone is a waste of time and should only be done once you get an E3D in your hands.
[HTC EVO 3D] unCoRrUpTeD:
Seeing as how you had the Evo 1 year before upgrading, what makes you think that you will keep the E3D for 2 years.

I don't buy a phone solely on camera specs. And MP means nothing to me. It's the quality of the image that means something to me. If I take a pic with my E3D and compared it to an EVO's pic and mine looks better, do they still have bragging rights because they have an 8MP camera but takes crappier pics than a 5MP camera?
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
honestly i agree with you. i do.

but...you have any idea how difficult it is to use logic when arguing a point like that with an Apple owner? I get responses like "no, i disagree" and then they reference the dumb Apple commercial "if you don't own an iPhone, well you dont own an iPhone" or whatever type of crap that is. No logic, i freakin hate it.

I guess I agree with the general consensus on the camera, it seems awesome, its dealing with the others that bothers me lol
[HTC EVO 3D] unCoRrUpTeD:
Take a photo of the same thing with both phones. Compare the pics and leave it at that.
[HTC EVO 3D] jessejames111981:
What we have here is a failure to communicate........ Some men you just can't reach
[HTC EVO 3D] supdawg:
I didnt read the whole thread, but the EVO's camera is terrible unless outside in bright light.

The shutter speed and overcompensation is terrible, and the flash is almost unusable because it can't get proper exposures/and or can't get the shutter speed fast enough to eliminate motion blur.

This is my 4th HTC phone, and I agree they generally make crap cameras, but I REALLY wish the camera was better. The iphones camera is vastly superior.

I really was hoping the 3d was going to be a big upgrade in the camera department, but now I am worried. Most people are too stupid to realize just how sucky this camera is.
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
Same screen (Engadget says 4.3", Phone Arena says 4"), single core snapdragon (1.2GHz), less memory (768MB). Should be their mid-level phone, somewhere around $150 after full upgrade. Still in many ways better than the EVO 4G so it should still be a great phone.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/15/htc-kingdom-soars-into-fccs-database-wimax-radio-signals-a-spr/

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Kingdom_id5465

Back on topic:

The camera on the EVO is fantastic during the day and/or in very good lighting conditions, everywhere else it's terrible. MP don't mean anything. My last 2 HTC phones had terrible cameras (EVO, Touch Diamond) and I'm convinced it was the software that was the reason for it. That being said, I've read the early reviews and it sounds like the 3D camera is better than the the one in the EVO even though it has a lower resolution. As for right no it's just speculation, none of us will know until we actually get it in our hands.
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
The link isn't working for me..it goes to page but shows nothing..I'm interested to see it though if someone can re link it
[HTC EVO 3D] Cubfan99:
The truth is, very few cameras not in phones take good low-light photos. And for me, the Evo did acceptably well with photos, but awful on video.

Have been looking at the video comparisons between the Sensation and the SGS2 on YouTube, and it appears that HTC has made some great strides in that department. That has me pumped up a bit. It appears that I'll at least buy the Evo 3D and give it a run for its money.

Camera on the phone is VERY important to me, because I'm a photographer... and this is the camera I have with me all the time. I've said to myself that I won't upgrade to a new phone that doesn't have significant improvements in that department. That being said, the 3D photos and videos sound really fun and could open up a whole new area of exploration.
[HTC EVO 3D] vedavin:
I agree 100%
[HTC EVO 3D] oldjackbob:
Given that the EVO 3D is HTC's latest effort at phone camera(s), and given that this phone is especially focused on the capabilities of the camera(s) (no pun intended), and given that the peripheral still-and-video capabilities of the phone are so state-of-the-art, it would seem oxymoronic that HTC would knowingly throw crappy hardware into the mix. I'm sure they have several good reasons for limiting the pixel count to 5M per sensor, picture quality and low-light capabilities doubtless being among them. HTC is plenty aware of the quality of the competition's cameras, and I'm comfortable in my presumption that what they're releasing is at least the equal of the best to be found on any phone.

For goodness' sake, this phone is specifically all about the cameras, folks! We're severely underestimating HTC's capabilities before the fact, IMO. I for one am excited about the prospects! ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] vinterchaos:
http://oneadayphotoproject.blogspot.com/ this guy takes amazing pics with a Motorola Cliq , I can't imagine evo 3d's cameras would be worse, maybe learn the hardware, lighting and composition...you'll be fine

but seriously if the camera quality is the biggest concern you have about a phone, i recommend buying a camera.
[HTC EVO 3D] munsterrr:
If im not mistaken by the link above. that looks like vignette which is an AMAZING camera app to say the least.

I love taking photos with that app

some of my sample pics form vignette
[HTC EVO 3D] vinterchaos:
he uses a few different apps, look around.. he basically has 1 photo a day for all of 2010, some really amazing shots
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
To me it'd be one major F-up to release a phone that by name draws attention to its CAMERA then have the camera be anything other than SUPERB!...3D or otherwise!!
[HTC EVO 3D] bradleyw801:
What would be awesome, is if some developer could get the two cameras to take a side by side picture, instead of a parallax picture. Meaning two 5mp cameras taking a panoramic picture, and then seaming them together in the middle.

I know, this functionality may not be realistic because of the angle of the lenses, the processing to make it one photo, etc, but I am entitled to my damn dreams!
[HTC EVO 3D] sheep_duck:
how dramatically can software/firmware updates actually change the image quality of the camera?
[HTC EVO 3D] rrsweet:
Alright so I have read this entire thread. for some of you thanks for the entertainment. Now on to topic. and this is a serious question.

With HTC wanting to be the company the knocks the iPhone down. (maybe not out but down) I have a hard time seeing that they would take their flag ship line so far and downgrade anything on it what so ever. Yes Sure the Camera wen from 8-5 MP, as we have discussed MP really isn't the measure. And to be fair 90% of the world population can not tell the difference after 7MP so 8 regardless is over kill but that's a different topic. Is it possible they took a page from Apple and said alright lets cut back on the MP take that money plus this money, and upgrade the other "parts" of the camera giving a closer to iphone quality out of a "lesser" camera?
[HTC EVO 3D] unCoRrUpTeD:
I had been thinking the same thing, but I don't think it would be that panoramic seeing as they are so close together. And that is on top of how the lenses are angled.
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
Engadget just did a review

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/15/htc-evo-3d-review/

"the camera lacks 1080p support, and the EVO 4G arguably captures nicer stills thanks to better optics and firmware."
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
When the hell did they remove 1080p recording? That was a MAJOR selling point...
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
I'm guessing Engadget is wrong
[HTC EVO 3D] oldjackbob:
Here's one poster's statement on that, in the comments section after the review:
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
Something must have been horribly wrong with Engadget's review device... it's clear as day in the video that the 1080p option doesn't exist in 2D video recording mode. That could be reassuring that other hardware/software revisions would be much better.
[HTC EVO 3D] sheep_duck:
jeez, engadget is really good at making me not want to buy this phone anymore. it's reassuring to hear that other sites give it better reviews. the guy on engadget sounded like he was being objective, but seeing how other people are saying that he must have a different unit without 1080p recording capability, eesh.
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
SHE does look like a guy, i dont blame u
[HTC EVO 3D] Ruki_Uki:
Beradi has a bad rep from what I see......

HTC EVO = my best friend
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Logic. Ha! Is that the same sort of logic found in your post?

Tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] berardi:
Go back under your bridge troll.
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
ok just to get this 1080p crap out of the way look at HTC's site and tell me where it says it does 1080P recording ALSO look at sprints evo 3d page and tell me it doesnt say this

* Two 5.0 megapixel cameras, which can be used to capture both high-quality conventional and stunning 3D images and videos

* 1.3 megapixel front-facing camera

* 1.2 GHz dual-core processor

* Brilliant 4.3-inch QHD 3D screen

* Preloaded with Android™ 2.3 (“Gingerbread”)

* HTC Sense,™ the award-winning user experience that takes social networking, navigation and customization to new levels

* 1730 mAh lithium-ion battery

* 3G/4G speed and Wi-Fi—capable

* Mobile hotspot capability for up to eight Wi-Fi—enabled devices

* GPS Navigation

* Stereo Bluetooth® wireless technology

* microSD™ Card slot, 32-GB-capable

* 4 GB internal memory and 1 GB RAM

* Media player with 3.5 mm headset jack and micro USB

* Proximity, G-Sensor and light sensors

* Digital compass

* Built-in FM radio

* Live video sharing with Qik

* Download, view, edit and share HD-quality content from your phone

* HDMI-out via USB and DLNA

* World-class HTML browsing experience with the bandwidth and quality that rivals that of netbooks

* HD video capture at 720p and playback up to 1080p

* Personal and business email, IM and text message

* Social-networking integration with Facebook, ® Twitter,™ Flickr® and more

* Sprint apps including Sprint TV,® Sprint Football Live and NASCAR Sprint Cup Mobile℠

* Visual Voicemail

* Google™ Mobile™ services including YouTube™, Gmail,™Google Talk,™ Google Voice,™ Google Maps™ and more

* Android Market,™ with access to more than 150,000 apps
[HTC EVO 3D] aimbdd:
Try watching any of you tube videos when they released the phone. All the sprint reps said it recorded 1080 p video.
[HTC EVO 3D] d12bn:
Agree

I totally agree HTC has to get the camera right since the focus is 3D/camera.

I will be happy if it takes pics as good as the iphone 4 which in my opinion takes better pics than any other phone. I'm hoping the 3D is even better.

Each of us want certain features in a phone, my first priority is speed then battery life then picture quality then lots of other stuff with 3D stuff last.

Come on HTC give us a good camera!
[HTC EVO 3D] kydkupa:
Okay people lets settle this, The Evo 3D has 5mp shooter however mp are just the size of the pic. The lens, sensor, and software are what makes the pic look good. With that said, the original evo had a lower pic resolution than the iPhone 4 and the Evo 3D.

Here's and snippet from a site reviewing the Evo 3D cam to the iPhone 4 cam

"Camera:

HTC has brought the second stereoscopic 3D capable handset onto the market shortly after LG got there first with its Optimus 3D, consequently the Evo’s camera setup follows the same purpose-built setup with a dual 5-megapixel arrangement at 2560х1920 pixels.

The Evo’s 3D stereoscopic capture means 3D images and videos are actually at around 2-megapixel quality and 3D video is at 720p while switching to 2D makes it 1080p. Camera features include autofocus, dual LED flash and geo-tagging as well as a 1.3-megapixel secondary camera.

The iPhone 4 doesn’t have the 3D capabilities but still features a 5-megapixel camera at 2592x1944 pixels and 720p, with autofocus, touch focus, LED flash, geo-tagging, LED video light and a secondary camera with video-calling capability over Wi-Fi.

Obviously if you want 3D, then you want 3D and hang the fact that such images and video will only be in roughly 2-megapixel quality. Otherwise, for those of us not fussed about 3D the iPhone 4 is more attractive due to its higher resolution and numerous extra features"

Sorry for the wall of text.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
All I know is that within 5 min of setting up my Evo 3D I'll know whether or not it will be going to EBay when the SGS2 breaks on Sprint .....and that is 1 thing: The quality of the 2G camera shots in dim light. Period. (obviously I prioritize the multimedia features).

Htc has had a full year of fielding poor feedback regarding its Evo camera.

We'll see how they've responded...(and it can't be glossed over with me with the 3D, lol).

I've trialed the SGS2 on At&t for 3 weeks now....HTC's gotta be in the ballpark.
[HTC EVO 3D] Cubfan99:
Thanks for providing the needed background on why you're being such a d*ck toward the negative reviewers or those who take them seriously. You were hoping that this new phone would somehow prove to your family your intellectual superiority, and now you're devastated.

WTF do you care if non-tech people buy the iCrap? Does that challenge you somehow? You're somehow a better man because of the phone you bought?

Dude, you need to either grow a pair or get some therapy... or maybe a girlfriend.
[HTC EVO 3D] Riff76:
I think he is being a **** cause the negative reviewers are nit picking android phones but praise iCrap and never nit pick that. There is some obvious bias. Enough to warrant being a ****? to each their own.
[HTC EVO 3D] Cubfan99:
Did you even read Engadget after the iPhone4 was released? There was plenty of criticism that Apple fanboys called Android-bias. Remember the yellow-haze, Antenna-gate, complaints about how Facetime was Wifi only, that you had to pay for iMovie, the screen was too small when compared to other phones like the Evo, bringing up the camera takes forever and the moment is gone, how Android widgets and notifications are still superior, etc.

Bias is in the eye of the beholder. And the criticism I've read in all the reviews have been far from nit-picking. It's information I want to know.

Good idea for you... find someone who will say "Cool phone" every time you get it out of your pocket and then don't read any reviews. Then your sensitive feelings about someone insulting your treasured gadget will be unharmed. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
girlfriend...got one and she owns yours in every way possible (am I being a ****?)

therapy...not needed

You have nothing to do with my family. We compare our phones at times, and we get very into it.

When I say this I mean it, your mother shouldve swallowed you when she had the chance.
[HTC EVO 3D] il Duce:
Hey, will everybody please chill the f0ck out? seriously, who gives a sh1t. I don't mean to rag this thread, but really ALL of the current garbage threads in evo 3d general. Here's what this all looks like to me (and likely you if you calm down and read this objectively)....

user1 "my Epenis 8========>"

user2 "my Epenis 8=============>"

user1 "oh yeah, my Epenis 8====================>"

user2 "screw you and your mom, my Epenis 8==========================>"

This is a development forum, not a blog.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
Idiot. IQ=12.
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
Useless thread closed by childish fighting in 3...2...1...
[HTC EVO 3D] frank828:
check out this gallery. the last 4 pictures looks to be have been taken using a 3D. the other pictures were taken using a sony nex-5 and an evo 4G.

https://picasaweb.google.com/james.jy.liu/20110610_BelmarSeafoodFestival

i personally think the 3D's quality looks really good compared to the other two cameras in this gallery.
[HTC EVO 3D] oldjackbob:
I'm truly saddened, and frankly a little put off, by the verbal abuse that's apparently thrown around with such abandon in not only this thread, but apparently in the entire EVO 3D General Forum. I come from the Hero CDMA side of this website, and we certainly don't see this sort of abject abuse of other forum users over there. Such behavior and language has never even been tolerated over there, and I wonder why it hasn't been dealt with summarily long before now by the mods over here.

Duce's post wasn't a rant, it was a warning. Rockky's response was a mistake.

Kirk out.
[HTC EVO 3D] crabjoe:
The E3D pix aren't bad, but from what I saw, the pix taken with the Evo 4G look better.... The Nex-5 pix look fantastic, but it's job is to only take pix. Man, if only the E3D could take pix as nice as the original Galaxy S phones... I'd be happy, but the E3D pix still don't look anywhere nice as pix taken on Samsungs last generation phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
Yeah,....think we got the big 3D...and our regular pic taking quality has not improved.

Hopefully I'm wrong. But if that's the case I'm done with the Evo...as multimedia features :are #1 on my list.
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
All pictures on Picasa that have been shot using the EVO 3D

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/view?q=PG86100&psc=G&filter=0

Phone Model PG86100

The ones with the bottom gray half....you think those are from the 3D images, trying to upload to Picasa? Or just some really faulty uploads?
[HTC EVO 3D] Ruki_Uki:
Look at all my post bud, far from a troll. Oh wait, that's right, your to LAZY to SEARCH, and don't have the time apparently according to the locked thread you started cus your LAZY, trasholio.

HTC EVO = my best friend
[HTC EVO 3D] Ruki_Uki:
The pics aren't that bad, but yes the EVO looks better and so don't other phones. I don't really use the camera that much so I'm not too worried. But one thing I think I still need to get used to is it camera button. Since day one I wasn't a fan of it :/ but we will see next Friday :)

HTC EVO = my best friend
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
Eh...

http://www.androidcentral.com/camer...m_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter?style_mobile=0
[HTC EVO 3D] m4rk0358:
The evo3d shots are disappointing.

Swyped from my EVO
[HTC EVO 3D] brownhornet:
Yea thats definitely not promising lol
[HTC EVO 3D] m4rk0358:
How dare you criticize this phone!

You must be an apple fanboy.

Swyped from my EVO
[HTC EVO 3D] issafram:
Off with his head! Use the iKnife