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[HD2 Android NAND Development] Rick_1995:
1) They cant be compared in terms of speed in a scientific manner yet, the benchmark apps are still going under a lot of makeover to support every new dual core, lets just say dual core scorpion is not yet supported so well. (just fyi, scorpion is the same CPU in htc g2 which was unarguably the second fastest single core if im not wrong, right after Desire HD.

2) Camera ?

i dont use it much and i pretty much like the sensation camera. the 1080p recording in both sgs 2 and sensation is a bliss but, google "wobble, gelly camera sgs 2" and you'll get to know something.

SGS II does mono sound recording while pyramid does stereo sound recording.

Only time will tell who's the real winner.
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Axel85:
720p on hd2 ... Great news,i m waiting for it since the first day we have android on nand.I wish the development go on,we need to implement this on kernel
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Galactus:
I like HTC alot but im definitely jumpin ship to the SGS 2. Little things like havin amoled screen and samsung supporting CM7 and the extra ram tip it for me.

On topic, hmmm I still prefer the stock video app over the lgcamera one, didnt really notice a difference when I compared the two
[HD2 Android NAND Development] i rule123:
Why SGS 2?

Not being mean guys, but you all sound abit funny saying that the sgs 2 is better than the HTC sensation :rolleyes:, okay first off sgs 2 is only faster than the HTC sensation because it has less 'eye candy' and other feature which are supported in apps, like the browser is faster cause it is intergrated with GPS and i also think gyro.

And secondly comparing the cameras is a easy win for the sensation, as the 1080p video (if you look on pocket now.com) compared the sgs 2 video is super clear whereas sgs 2 is abit brurded due to samsungs crappy focus and lens. Not to mention the dozens of effects you can do to your photos on the HTC Sensation, sgs2 has i think about 5?

So there you go if you wanna pick between the 2, ided go with the HTC sensation all the time, but personally i am waiting for the HTC rider to be released (1080p in 2D and 3D :eek:) so yh :) Thats my opinion :D
[HD2 Android NAND Development] lukesan:
Well I, and others, don't agree on that.

Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4tBZXxo40g and others from that guy.

There is more to video than resolutiion etc.

As you mentioned the lens is one (big) of them.

I also compared raw data from both, not the youtube recompressed stuff, and with the Sensation I see dropped frames which to me is already a reason to render it useless for me. (allergic to that one)

It's easy to 'sharpen',give more 'colour' and bump up the contrast so the images look better , that is pure software, but I see more things that are not so better.

The image should be what you see with your own eyes and a fluoresent world with exaggerated contrast and sharpness is not one of them. You can easily do these things in virtualdub or so, but undoing it is most of the time a no go.

Also the gain riding to get the illumination right is far to jumpy on the Sensation.

There is way more compression on the Sensation which you can easily see when the image shows grass and pans left and right. The grass then becomes one blur which does not happen on the Samsung.

I'll give the Sensation the stereo recording.

Now back to the HD2.

The camera in my HD2 is not that good. I notice that the colour balance is off (to much blue) which I have to alter afterwards in some photo editing software.

I wish there was some software where you could change those values somewhere on the HD2 itself.

For me 800x480 is as good enough on the HD2 since the sensor and lens do not match up to the newer machines. Even if they could implement 1080P on the HD2 it would never look as good.
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Axel85:
Can we talk about 720p on hd2???? please
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Galactus:
SGS2 has stereo video recording with a mod.

ANYWAYS, I agree with lukesan. 800x480 is more than enough and I don't see 720p running SMOOTH on our HD2's with Android. Chances are I'll probs have a Sensation or SGS2 by that time IF it happens
[HD2 Android NAND Development] white-energy:
Its called "choice" my friend.
[HD2 Android NAND Development] sterno20:
Questions

But why WP7 Hd2 can Rec. 720p ?:confused:
[HD2 Android NAND Development] white-energy:
Its called "new drivers" my friend. :)
[HD2 Android NAND Development] deano309:
It's called "sarcasm" my friend! lmao :)
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Rick_1995:
Well then i must tell you this thread is not for teaching that, it is supposed to be on discussion of 720p recording for HD2.

Do so in the General Section of this forum. plenty threads there already.

Charansingh is back in action, working on a .35 or possibly a .37 kernel already.

Hope HTC soon releases their desire .35 source for helping us :D

Probably 720p should be supported by his kernel.
[HD2 Android NAND Development] beston94:
You don't see it running smoothly?.... Flash windows phone 7 and use the 720p camera and you'll be surprised at how good the quality really is. :)
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Galactus:
Fixed lmao
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Axel85:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFX_xOk6eQ8 be sure to select 720p

looking at this video the quality looks really good,and in android we could even tweak many things we can t in windows phone
[HD2 Android NAND Development] scottydoguk:
lets hope this thread gets back on track and we see progress on the cam :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android NAND Development] mech5243:
Lg camera

Where can we find this Lg camera in order to test it ?

and also how can we make this settings for the camera?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] deerkiller:
this app really does in fact record in 720p after looking at it with a decoder ..they said it couldn't be done without a driver written or kernel compiled for it ...all we have to do if fine tune it to get the lag out ...surly there has got to be some one out there smart enough to make this work ...come on guys were so close .
[HD2 Android NAND Development] adioph:
framerate for 720P is only 1 frame per second using both lg camera and default android camera that is why recorded videos are laggy. maybe devs can fix this.
[HD2 Android NAND Development] chrisd1a1:
ok, could you upload the files please? i'd be happy with 800x480.

ps have you tried with sense GB?

many thanks

Chris
[HD2 Android NAND Development] jetta20162:
For me it works, but the quality is not good (unsharp).
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Axel85:
finally...

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/hd2-keeps-on-living-sense-3-0-with-working-720p-camera/

Now we have only to wait for the camera application porting for all rom,i only wish it s not dependent from something on htc sense 3.0
[HD2 Android NAND Development] pyrorob:
you know this makes me think that whats lacking is hardware accelerated encoding/decoding.. if it was doing it all thru software then the lag makes sense.. does anyone know how the recordings play back on a pc?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] white-energy:
I don't think that it will be ported to any other Camera applications.. its only for Sense 3.0

unless the dev shares what he has done to the camera
[HD2 Android NAND Development] dungphp:
Test this HTCCamera !

Accept camcorder but lags, see by others app (paid)

http://www.multiupload.com/AQJ840FBH1

Someone try to fix ?!
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Krendelrus:
I've took files from mccm and boxmax Desire S based SD build, it works for me (but it has very low fps when recording in 720p or lower resolution) (you can check my ROM - LeoRCMix S)
[HD2 Android NAND Development] charnsingh_online:
720p is not possible on gingerbread roms yet due to stagefright etc changes. It is possible on sense seeing HTC cooked up a custom stack for it.
[HD2 Android NAND Development] white-energy:
so the question is.. is it possible to port the those custom files from HTC's stack ?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Rick_1995:
Try this yourself. Worked for me, though its VERY choppy ( could be vid encoder algorithm, stagefright or problems with slow sd speeds, cant remove even kernel from the culprit list )
[HD2 Android NAND Development] fx.dcny:
Hello,

The developer clearly states that this update is for Tegra 2 devices only and should probably not be used for our HD2?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] j_svas:
Hi Dung, can you tell us how exactly we should install this rightly? Want to test this.....also which paid app you were referring above?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] ocatapano:
HTC HD2 running Android 2.3.2 [Gingerbread]

HTC HD2 running Android 2.3.2 [Gingerbread]

The 720p video recording isn't the best, it's probably 15fps, but anything else is quite smooth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2HWpovM4pM

:D
[HD2 Android NAND Development] adioph:
May have the camera app you are using so we can test it also?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Daekin:
Ok..so where are the required files? share please :)
[HD2 Android NAND Development] Blubster:
But what are you talking about?!?!?

This video is old (feb 2011!) and was not taken with an hd2!!! The phone visible in the reflection has a camera which is not in the center of the back of the phone, quite unlike my hd2...

And finally, the rom is NexusHD2 2.2, while the latest is 2.8, the kernel is tytung r3..... etc etc.....

Nothing to see here guys, move along...

Without a new kernel with new libs, we won't see PROPER 720p on hd2, period.

Sure, you can hack a camera app to take pictures of any size and make a video of it, without proper encoding hardware acceleration. Videos of 1fps have no point, even if in "1080p"...

Sorry, my rant of the day. I just had to point out this obvious mistake before it gives to many people false hopes...
[HD2 Android NAND Development] deerkiller:
working rom with 720p

in the sd development section they have released a ROM with 3.0 sense and 720p working camcorder so hopefully it wont be too long before it is on this side
[HD2 Android NAND Development] confar:
dont works well really....
[HD2 Android NAND Development] harrystone33:
When do you feel it will work then since you want to just point that out?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] estugarda:
720p video recording is pretty decent on hd2o wp7 rom. It records at 25fps. Ocassionally it drops a frame or two, but is still way better than 800*480 cam on Android ROMs. This makes me wonder why it doesn't work on Android ROM? Or why it isn't enabled? What's the difference?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] illgodson:
Doesn't DorimanX GB rom record in 720p at a really solid frame rate?
[HD2 Android NAND Development] JeremyGuan:
wish ICS was part of this 720p recording :(
[HD2 Android NAND Development] illgodson:
Well I know dorimanx has a beta kernel and from for ICS that's a branch tytung but its really just bare bones...said he wanted to finish up his GB roms before going in on ICS, but if your familiar with his GB roms, they are always awesome and he squeezed every ounce out of them, so fingers crossed his ICS rom will be the same
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
Just wanted to take the time to thank everyone here for all the useful information they provided. I spent a lot of time modifying the GT540, and had a lot of fun with it.

But it's time for an upgrade. I just ordered the Huawei U8800. From what I have read, it's basically a HTC Desire with the next generation processor and a TFT screen. It is also very reasonably priced. The Huawei U8800 recently got it's own section here at XDA, so I'm hoping for lots of development over there.

Also, lots of people in China know about XDA. I've meet a few people at my college in Xi'an, China who use XDA. So if the Chinese modders and developers get to work on the Huawei U8800, I can expect a lot of improvements for the phone.

Thanks everyone for your help.
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
How much did you buy it for? Does anyone you know have ideos x3? Can you rip the flash player from x3 and share it with us? (Not your model, the lesser x3)
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
I bought it for 1550 RMB ($240 USD). You can buy them used 1250-1450 RMB ($190-$225 USD). I bought them in China off of TaoBao. I don't know what they cost elsewhere.

I originally wanted an HTC Desire (1900 RMB) or HTC Desire HD(2500 RMB), but they are a bit more expensive here. The U8800 basically gave me the Desire with the Desire HD's processor and GPU, which can be overclock up to 1.8 GHz.

I'll ask around if someone has an X3 (U8510, right?). I'll also ask around at some Chinese Android forums, after I find some. To rip the flash player it I would just copy the apk with root explorer or a back-up program, right? Is there something great about this flash player I should know about?
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
Well, that's cool. Congrats with your new phone and do have fun hacking. xD

Ideos X3(U8510) supposedly has a Qualcomm MSM 7227 processor but it also boasts Adobe Flash 10.1. I do not know how this worked out. Qualcomm MSM 7227 is the same processor as in LG GT540. It's ARMv6. Am curious as to how X3 is running Flash 10.1 on ARMv6.

I don't have exact specs from an official source but if what I've heard is true, Flash 10.1 on X3 would work on other ARMv6 devices as well.

(Flash Lite is another alternative but Flash Lite depends on Sense architecture of HTC and would require a lot of tinkering to the ROM. Even after all the hacking, it'd still be Flash Lite and not Flash 10.1.)
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
I did some quick research on the Huawei U8510. It is quite strange.

Qualcomm MSM7227 600 MHz

256 MB RAM

Android 2.3 Gingerbread

Flash 10.1

How can the X3 it have Android 2.3 when the X5 only has Android 2.2? and with such little ram?

Anyway, leave it to the Chinese to do crazy things like that. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff they put on Chinese phones, and MP5 players (known to the rest of the world as MP4 players).

Knowing the Chinese, they probably put flash on there because they could, not because the phone will run it. You can see that the X3 has the same specifications as the GT540, minus the Android 2.3, so there is no telling if flash is running well.

Here is a link I found through Google for flash 10.1. It says it requires Android 2.2 or above, which the X3 has.

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/23/download-official-flash-10-1-v10-1-92-8-for-froyo-now/

I'll still ask some of my Chinese friends if any of them have the X3. I'll also go to the local computer mall and have a look at the X3. However, I wouldn't count on it being any different than the above download. Huawei is supposed to use "vanilla" or almost stock android, with little to no overlay or bloatware. I'd also like to see about porting the Android 2.3 to my X5.
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
X3 was launched later than X5. That's why it has 2.3. Even G1 runs 2.3 and 3.0. Android has no hard set system requirements. Theoretically, any version of Android can be ported to any device.

The 2.3 doesn't have a lot of advantages over 2.2. The speed gain is very small.

I don't know how they put the Flash 10.1.

Flash 10.1 needs both 2.2/2.3(would work on 2.1 with some tinkering) and a ARMv7(or newer) CPU. The libflashplayer.so is compiled for ARMv7. However, someone who is good in programming could either wrap the libflashplayer.so in an emulation layer or could reverse engineer and recompile it so that it will work on ARMv6. It's not impossible but rather, it's really really hard. No one has done it so far.

Huawei is not exactly a sub-standard Chinese brand. It's a recognized brand. So, I wouldn't expect them to put a Flash Player that wouldn't work. Either the information we have about the CPU is wrong or the phone doesn't have Flash.

Since X5 is vanilla, am also expecting X3 to be vanilla which means, if it does have a working Flash 10.1 and it does run on MSM7227, the Flash 10.1 it has should run on GT540 and many other ARMv6 devices.
[GT540 Optimus General] Quinny899:
From pure curiosity last week I extracted flash 10.2's apk and found that it has a .lib file that could supposively be put in /system/lib with root explorer (permissions rw-r--r--) and install the apk with either push or install. That may work, it did with x-plane flight sim, which crashed before the lib push but after opened but was killed by android for it not having enough memory to run it. I will try it now and report my findings.

I will also post an extracted apk in 3 ways, 7zip, which just opens it, APKTOOL, which decodes the xmls, and dex2jar which takes the classes.dex and puts it into a jar file that can then be decoded by Java decopmiler
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
The problem is not with the apks. The problem is with the lib file or more specifically libflashplayer.so. This file depends on ARMv7 architecture. So, if you want Flash 10.1/10.2 on ARMv6, you should be able to decompile the lib(.so) files and edit them to convert ARMv7 dependent code to ARMv6 compatible code and recompile it for ARMv6. Editing the apk is very easy but porting the .so(lib) file is very very hard.
[GT540 Optimus General] Quinny899:
There's more than just libflashplayer.so, there's also libstagefright_froyo.so, libstagefright_honeycomb.so and libysshared.so
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
I'm not sure about other lib files but libflashplayer.so is the most important. If we can port it, at least Flash 10.1 would work.
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
I looked into finding a X3, it's most likely going to be pretty difficult. I couldn't find them at China Unicom, which is the store that sells the X5. Also, I couldn't find it online, except for 6 sellers which had it on Taobao. Normally, for any given phone model, there are at least 50-100 different sellers. Also, some of the sellers didn't have the specifications listed for the phone correctly.

Is the X3 officially released? If so, what cellphone provider has it?
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
It's not released in US or Europe. I'm not sure about its official release in China. It was supposed to be released in Japan by SOFTBANK Mobile during the first week of May. I checked the Huawei site as well as SOFTBANK site but I couldn't find any references to X3.

I don't speak Japanese or Chinese without Google Translate. :D So, if I there is someone who is fluent in Japanese or Chinese, they could do two things,

1) You can contact the seller asking for the official driver/software download link or you can ask them to send you a copy via email. Most of the time, the software has an option to completely re-install the firmware(Recovery Phone in LG Mobile Phone Tools). If we could get hold of the firmware, most likely we would be able to extract the files we need from it.

2) Some of these online shops have a list of other people who bought the device. You could try messaging them for help. You could ask them to make a complete backup of the system.img with YaffsExpert or you could ask them to rip the apks with Root Explorer.

I checked the Engadget Hand-on review and the reviewer say that the device is MSM7227 and does play Flash. However, she also mentioned that the launcher was themed which means it might not be vanilla. Nonetheless, it is Adobe Flash 10.1. If this reaches the devs, they will be more interested in porting it.
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
I speak and read (for the most part) Chinese, however Google translate does alot to help. Ｉ also live in China.

The seller's on Taobao won't be able to provide software and firmware. They are lucky if they can get the specifications right. Also, I only saw one completed transaction for the X3 on taobao, but my Chinese is nowhere good enough to ask them for a back-up, or explain how to do it.

Huawei's website doesn't have the X3 listed as a model. All I could find about the X3 was the user manual, and an EU Declaration of Conformity.

If I can find the phone in a store, I can bring my laptop and say I want to test out the phone. They'll let me do just about anything, so long as I don't take the phone out of the store, if they think they may make a sale. And since my computer is in English, they won't know what I'm doing.

Right now, I don't think the X3 is released fully. The few sellers that have it on Taobao are most likely insiders. Someone send me a message when the X3 is released in China, and I'll see what I can do.
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
If you are lucky, the buyer might know English. xD

Please give me the link to the user guide. It might give us some insight about the specs.

I also learned from a Frash forum that the Adobe Flash 10 beta 1 which was released in a closed beta was ARMv6 compatible. I couldn't find the beta 1 apk anywhere though.

Adobe did work on ARMv6 and armeabi to begin with. They first demoed Flash on G1 but they never released the ARMv6 version. They dropped ARMv6 support because they couldn't improve performance well.

Huawei could be using the older beta or they might have developed their own port.
[GT540 Optimus General] Quinny899:
It seems that I have found an apk which when extracted in 7zip you look in its lib folder and it has only an armeabi folder, whereas the newer ones have a folder called armeabiv7 (arm v7). Perhaps this is what you are looking for?

We still need to do something to it, as it doesn't load flash.

To test whether we have flash go to http://www.codegeek.net/flash-version.php to check whether flash is installed & javascript enabled

The apk is attached

Source
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
Here you go:

Huawei U8510 X3 user manual

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RTBQ9UFD

And the declaration of conformity is attached.
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
I'll check it soon in a while and post back. I extracted and did see armeabi folder but the version in the manifest doesn't seem to be a beta version.

armeabi can be v6 or v7 or generic. But, if it's not mentioned v7 and only armeabi, it most likely means that it could be generic but we do need to check. I'll check it in my phone.
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
I looked on the Huawei website for the firmware for the X3, and it's not out yet. When it does come out, we should be able to download it and extract out the flash player. It will most likely be the easiest way, since getting an actual X3 phone will be very difficult.
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
Negative. It's not working.
[GT540 Optimus General] nibras_reeza:
That's true but you know "we are impatient" lol

Huawei might not release the firmware right after the phone is launched. The other thing is, they might not include the Flash Player in the public download link since although Android is Apache Lincensed, Flash Player is a closed and privately owned software by Adobe.
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
My girlfriend brought over a cardboard hand fan, and it just so happened to be a an advertisement for Android phones from China Telecom. They had the C8510, which I think is a CDMA version of the U8510. I'll go check it out when I have time.

Anybody got any ideas on how to rip the flash player quick and easily on a stock phone while in the store? Maybe using an sd card or something?
[GT540 Optimus General] Quinny899:
Take another android with Bluetooth File Manager from the market (medival software). When you get there Bluetooth its apk through the send app feature and install on the store's phone. Now use the send app feature to send flashplayer.apk back to your phone. Uninstall Bluetooth file manager
[GT540 Optimus General] typci:
Been to the cellphone stores many many times. No one has a X3 in stock.
[GT540 Optimus General] raulvola:
Quinny:

Did you install x-plane into an Android Phone with ArmV6 ?

I am very, very interested on that.

Thanks a lot
[GT540 Optimus General] Quinny899:
Nope, it crashed out. I have a DHD now and it works on that :D
[GT540 Optimus General] raulvola:
Bad news for my Samsung Galaxy Ace, it's an Arm v6 powered.

I'll keep trying to find a good flight simulator for that phone.

Raul (Spain)

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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pakcheongkwan:
Is there any way to remove the sms limit of the stock sms app? It makes me can't store sms more than 999