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[Verizon Droid Charge] anoninja118:
you're fine, you're on EE4.. I don't know why it says that but its probably part of samsungs special build number code

blazing through on my 4G Droid Charge
[Verizon Droid Charge] kvswim:
Holy dead thread batman! You're on EE4 though.

Sent from my Droid Charge running GummyFroyo 1.9.1
[Vibrant General] juanalvarez8727:
So im on htcclays and want to go to miui 360 , i was before on miui. I flashed it a few days ago but there was no signal and everything was on chineese, i mean i could probably learn chinese instead, lol. I used nicks miui 360, so if someone on it please help.
[HTC Sensation] redbullcat:
So, I've had my Sensation for about 2 or 3 days now. I've been using the stock Sense 3.0 launcher and LauncherPro Plus. The way I see it, Sense

3.0 has not been optimized by HTC. It's slightly laggy and even the notification bar doesn't drop/scroll down smoothly. It is also laggy with live wallpapers.

LPP; obviously Sense is still running in the background. As this is unoptimized, it makes LPP laggy, especially the app drawer flying in and out. Also live wallpapers are still laggy and applying one makes changing homescreens laggy.

So. The entire Sense 3.0 interface/entire environment is not optimized, at all. Sense should be the snappiest it's ever been, on a dual core phone, but instead it's laggier than my friend's Incredible S and his dad's Desire HD, both on stock and not rooted.

All we can hope is Android Revolution HD by Mike86 will be optimized and much much faster.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
I agree with you. Lol you still keeping it. Also. Later paradise island for 15 minutes. Device heated up to 45.5 degrees!

Is that bad?
[HTC Sensation] eisteh:
It's always been the same with me: Stock ROMs never felt "optimized" for me, there's always been a slight sluggishness only custom ROMs could get rid of.

Sense is really great, from the looks and the widgets I prefer it over any other launchers, yet I switch to other launchers after some time, as Sense is either "old", or better, not that modern. Alternatives just offer a little bit more features and might feel a bit more responsive, especially if you kick most of the Sense stuff on a rooted device.
[HTC Sensation] redbullcat:
I'm keeping it purely because this phone has so much potential :D CyanogenMod is going to fly on this :D
[HTC Sensation] __McB__:
I completely agree. Got mine on Wednesday and was really surprised by how laggy it is. I understand sense is a hog but I thought for sure the dual-core should power through it. Switching to ADW Launcher helps a lot, but as OP said, with sense still in the background it only helps so much. I was also having issues with calls not ringing, mail not synching and touchscreen inaccuracy. Those seem to have disappeared since switching launchers.

I keep telling myself I'll return it tomorrow, but can't bring myself to do it. I love the device, hate the software. As previously mentioned, the device has so much potential that I'll probably hold on up till the last return date. If we have unlocked bootloader by then, I'll keep it. Otherwise, back it goes.
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
What if you return the device and the day after bootloader is unlocked. You would be gutted.
[HTC Sensation] eisteh:
He can still get this device again... It's not like it's out of his life forever when he gave his "first" unit back.
[HTC Sensation] Chris19145:
Just wait till this custom ROM ARHD is available it will pretty much be the "optimized" version we been waiting for.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1098849
[HTC Sensation] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Anybody surprised Sense is not optimized has not been using HTC products for very long. Sense while pretty is full of bloat. Been the case even before Android, when they first made it for Windows Mobile as Touch Flo 3D.

It's the kind of thing you learn to live with if you stay stock.

This is another example of why I'm waiting till the Sensation is totally rooted and unlocked. If I want to nix Sense I'll be able to disable it totally from ever even starting up.

Typically, custom ROM hacks will improve Sense and make it run better. That will likely be the case with Sense 3.0.

This is all playing out like most other HTC devices.
[HTC Sensation] redbullcat:
As I said, my friend's Incredible S feels more optimized than the Sensation. It just feels snappier and quicker.
[HTC Sensation] XPLANE9:
Probably because Sense 3.0 has added even more visuals than 2.1 and the CPU has to push more pixels than the Incredible. I doubt 2.3 is even using half of the Sensation's CPU power.
[HTC Sensation] redbullcat:
But we have dual core on our Sensation's. Double the power.

As I said, I don't think Sense 3.0 OS using the power of both cores.
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
Lol...

I have been telling ppl who purchased the Sensation for a long time that...

The Sensation @ 1.2 ghz will be slower then the Desire HD @ 1.2 ghz bcus Sensation has more pixels.

The Snap Dragon Processor in both phones are the phone except one is dual core the other isnt...

Nothing ATM on the Sensation (or the GS2) is taking advantage of the Dual Core (Except smart bench 2011).

So... ATM ppl who are purchasing the Sensation are purchasing a Desire HD with a Worse Screen... Worse Build Quality but Higher Resolution.

By the time a Release of Android comes out that takes advantage of both core HTC will have released a new Phone wich is HOPEFULLY more of an upgrade then the HTC sensations.

Frankly the HTC Sensation does not live up to its name.
[HTC Sensation] Robboftw:
Absolutely wrong.
[HTC Sensation] redbullcat:
You're a big, fat troll.

Firstly; the Sensation's processor is not the same as the dhd's but with two cores. THe dhd has Qualcomm 8255 @ 1ghz and the Sensation has Qualcomm 8260 @ 1.2ghz dual core. They must have changed something in the processor, as the Sensation can do dual core and the dhd can't. Also, running a dhd at 1.2ghz will drain it's battery faster due to the fact it's not meant to run at 1.2ghz. I agree, it's nice to have it at that speed, but HTC must have a reason for running it at 1ghz.

Secondly; the screen is no worse than the Desire HD's and possibly better. We have more pixels, a thinner device (the dhd was too wide imo), a curved/contoured screen to ensure it doesn't get scratched, and 16:9 so we can watch movies how they were supposed to be watched.

Thirdly; I still don't understand how the build quality is worse. The Sensation's build quality is excellent; not a creak or squeak to be found. The battery is hard to get off, but sufficeintly easy to get off should you need to reboot via removing the battery, or if you want to remove the SIM card or MicroSD.

Quote from the Engadget review of the dhd review here:

These issues have been fixed on the Sensation. No 'paper flicking' sound, and if you say it protects the screen, I don't think it does, and anyway, the Sensation's screen is curved, which is much better.

The camera also does not jut out from the back of the Sensation, meaning it does not get scratched and the phone can lie flat.

Engadget also mention they believe the battery cover on the dhd is a 'nightmare to get off' and the battery is not protected when you do open the battery cover, meaning it 'slides right out'. THey also say the voume button is badly designed.

I'd also like to add to this that the power button, from my own experience, is impossible to press with the hand you are holding the device with, and takes you a couple of tries to get it to press. This is caused by the fact it is inset into the device.

I admit, the Sensation does have issues, the deathgrip being the most prominent. But your beloved Desire HD has issues and flaws too.

So basically, if you're not planning to get or own a Sensation, please go away.

Link to Engadget review of the DHD here.

Trolololol
[HTC Sensation] Robboftw:
Nearly every single one of his posts is complaining how bad it is. It's pretty boring now.
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
Well Robbo he is right, Sensation is an upgrade from the DHD, your DHD may feel fast, but whack a stock rom on it and it is slow, i remember, i had my DHD overclocked to 1.5 and then i felt speed.

before customs roms my DHD was a battery Hogging power sucking beast tamed by Leedroid.

two independent cores on the Sensation. i hope to do the same with ARHD. hopefully having some smartass governers thrown in too.

sense 3 does look good, it may feel slow at the moment but devs will improve it. for sure

i still have my dhd. sensation and DHD side by side, the sensation feels much more crisper and clearer than the DHD.

i also suffered from a creaky battery cover, dodgy power button that was inset so hard to press, glad the sensation feels better,

DHD was too big to hold in one hand and operate, sensation i can do anything with one hand, thumbs up for that
[HTC Sensation] Robboftw:
Don't you mean he's wrong? :p

I think he (Maedhros) is just looking (and partially inventing) for reasons not to upgrade his Desire HD. I don't know why.
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
Ok... How so? Please respond atleast intelligently.

Sorry to break it to you. The Sensations Processor is the Desire HDs processor, just with 2 cores.

Absolutely no design change or size reduction. You argument that it will drain its battery faster is absolutley valid.

UC ur Sensation to 1ghz it will get better battery life. OC it to 1.8 ghz it will get worse.

What a stupid argument.

Ah... I apologize I mean it it worse then the INSPIRE 4G and the Desire S's Screen. When I comment on screen I dont mean Design... I mean how colour is displayed and how viewing angles etc are.

Again... Inspire and Desire S have a better SLCD screen then the Sensation.

Agreed... Sorry, it just seems from my exp that the Desire HD FEELS more... solid... in hand compared to sensation.

To each his own I guess.

Hmm... That is a ridiculus argument. The Sensation was the Phone I was supposed to import and Purchase this year. Unfortunately there are WAY TOO MANY short commings that this phone suffers from.

Srsly... I have owned a MULTITUDE of HTC devices all the way from the WinMo Days. I have purchased a brandnew HTC device every year, if not twice a year. But even I can see that the Sensation does not live up to its name.

Srsly ppl... There is no reason to defend HTC like no tom. Neither is there any reason to be a HTC apologist.

Srsly? I dont even get this when I post on the GS2 Forums.

Atleast ppl on the SGS2 Can RECOGNIZE the short commings in their devices. I have NEVER seen any group of ppl defend a device as religiously as HTC Sensation owners.... Sad TBH.

If no one criest out at a phones faults... the faults will never be addressed. I WANT a new HTC Phone. HTCs build quality + ergonomics + HTC sense make them the #1 phone company IMO.

But the Sensation is just inadequate...

Nice to hear some Direct Comparisons.

I guess I might give the Sensation another chance when it gets released with Bell this year...

Lets see how the SGS2 and Sensation Pans out.

Personally I feel as if purchasing a new Android is not too good of an Idea till Ice Cream...

Lets see what happens.

Edit:

Wrong... I simply want a WORTHY UPGRADE... I hate that HTC appears to be going into its WinMo pattern with Android and its making me cry inside *jokes*

Srsly tho... I honestly think HTC needs to stop its partnership with Qualcomm... Qualcomm is like the Generic brand that every1 and their mom gets because its cheap.
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
Sorry let me rephrase,

Well Robbo, redbullat is right, why not downgrade your htc desire hd to HD2 lol instead of an upgrade, they seemed to be more stable than the sensation

Desire HD vs Sensation

resolution:

DHD, 400 x 840, WVGA, LCD

Sensation 960 x 540, qHD, Super LCD

Processor:

DHD = 1 Ghz Single core snap dragon = 1.0 GHz

Sensation = 1.2 Ghz Dual core snap dragon = 2.4 GHz

Battery:

DHD = 1230 mAh

Sensation = 1520 mAh

Graphics:

DHD = Adreno 205 GPU

Sensation = Adreno 220 GPU

Video:

DHD = 720p

Sensation = 1080p + TV out + Stereo sound recording

bluetooth:

DHD = v2.1

Sensation = v3.0

Dimensions:

DHD = 123 x 68 x 11.8 mm

Sensation = 126.1 x 65.4 x 11.3 mm, a little taller but thinner and slimmer

Weight:

DHD 164g

Sensation 148g

video call camera:

DHD: None

Sensation: VGA camera,

Talk time (3g):

DHD = upto 5 hours 30 minutes

Sensation = Upto 6 hours 40 minutes

Yeh your right the DHD is better and the Sensation is rubbish, shi*ter than the DHD. ;):D lol.
[HTC Sensation] freethinking:
I've been trying to get used to Sense 3.0, but I love Vanilla Android. I've found myself going back to Launcher Pro until root/non-sense ROMs are released.
[HTC Sensation] Robboftw:
I know he is, I was agreeing with him, if that wasn't clear :)

I had a Desire HD and I didn't really like it, for all the usual reasons. I think the Sensation is much better for all the reasons I gave in my small review that you've seen.

It isn't perfect, but then what is?
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
nicely said. If the sensation was perfect. Then htc would never have to release another device again ever. No phone its perfect. They always get better and better but not perfect
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
When I refer to DHD I mean my Inspire 4G and the Desire S. Both of whome have better quality SLCDs then the Sensation has.

I cant imagine your too computer savy... 1.2 dual core is not equal to 2.4 ghz...

The Desire HD @ 1.2 will run faster then the Sensation @ 1.2 because of pixels. Nothing (except some bench tools) take advantage of the Dual Core. And when Programs will take advantage of the dual cores then the SGS2 + Tegra will be much better.

Sure battery life is great.. but SGS 2 has better battery life (now that drain issues are resolved)

Still Inferior to the SGS2..

You srsly use your front facing camera that much?

Again... I think ppl are misunderstanding me when I post.

I am not saying the Sensation is not a good phone... It just does not live up to its name... I also feel that by the time Icecreams out HTC will release a better phone...

Srsly tho... I find it hard to believe so many HTC fans are attacking me.

I remember back in the WinMo Days HTC Fanboys such as myself were able to recognize HTCs short commings, and through that protoest and Help HTC evolve into a better company.

Sad to see so many "band wagon android jumpers" (so to say) ATTACK people who have been with HTC since their VERY FIRST UNIQUE devices.

I dread the day when the "Sensation 2's" only upgrade is xeon flash and People WILL STILL defend it...
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
Ok lets.clear up dual and single cores

The speed of a CPU is determined by it's GHz. If you have a 1.2 GHz dual core CPU, it's a 1.2GHz CPU with 2 cores, each running at 1.2GHz. Is dual core faster than the single? Well

That depends on what you're using it for. If the program(s) you use are multi-threaded or you run many programs at one time like many of us out there, then more cores will provide a greater benefit and a dual core will be faster than a single core at the same speed.

However, if you have a slower dual core and a faster single core and you only run one program at a time and/or the program is not multi-threaded, the single core processor will be faster, since it's clocked higher.

Think of it this way.

The lane is your core. a car is your program

You have single lane one way traffic at 70 mph.

And two lane traffic one way at 30 mph. You will get more traffic through the single lane per minute

If you have a single lane at 50 and dual lanes at 50. Your going to have twice as many cars going through the dual lane than single.

If you only have one car going through at a time or one out of the two lanes not being used then two lanes are pointless otherwise helps get many different cars through quicker

With your android your going to have various apps running, syncing, browsing the net, texting. So one core could be syncing your email, calender while the other core is browsing the net etc.
[HTC Sensation] Robboftw:
Wrong. The only things better about those screens are the viewing angles, everything else is worse. What the screen looks like at an angle is probably fairly low on most peoples priority list.

But its still fairly good. If you're worried, get an SGS2.

It's more useful than benchmarking a phone... :confused:

What on earth... The Galaxy S II doesn't live up to its name either in that case, it doesn't really feel like it has as much power as a real Galaxy...

I mean seriously, what?!

People are doing that, but they are being constructive about it. You are just repeating the same old stuff over and over again and it's getting boring now.

Keep your Desire HD/Inspire and be happy with that then if you can't see how the Sensation is better. Your loss. :)
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
Nice robbo

I have heating queries. And deathgrip issues. Straight onto htcs back and they are picking up my phone tomorrow. Nothing more we can do. But every phone had its problems. I got the desire hd when it first came out. Everyone moaned about the sim card cover
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
Except nothing on Android is multi threaded...

So second CPU is not taken advantage of...

Regardless of if u are streaming Music + browsing... alll the work is being done on 1 Core atm.

Ok... Again I dont want to argue more. I can see that the same thing aflicting new car owners is aflicting you.

People fail to realise that they are purchasing an inferior product and will defend it to the End.

Fine with me.

And... The GS2 has more then twice the Power of the original sgs... I'd say it does live up to its name.
[HTC Sensation] jetjockgordo:
You really ought to try SPB Shell 3D. I know it's $15 but after trying Launcher Pro on my Sensation (not as smooth as I had hoped) I decided to give Shell 3D a try and it is amazing. It seems to take advantage of the cores and is really smooth. The 3D carousel is not just eye candy, it really works! Too bad SPB doesn't offer a trial but I don't regret paying the $15. Oh, adding SwipePad and a few SwipePad extras make it an awesome device.
[HTC Sensation] sbryan12144:
v_V Umm sorry to burst your bubble but the Desire HD and the Inspire 4G are basically the same. The only literal differences is the radio frequencies (DHD more for T-Mobile and Inspire for AT&T) and the Inspire has 4GB of internal memory while the DHD has 1.5GB. The Inspire does not have a SLCD screen. The Inspire's is just LCD (I know because I own one).

The only reason why HTC went to SLCD screen is because they didn't have enough supply of AMOLED screens. They had to go with SLCD because it was the next best step under AMOLED to better battery performance. Granted, I think HTC not going with AMOLED (or better) screens is a disappointment considering the steady competition between Samsung. Even though Samsung's Android overlay (TouchWiz) isn't nearly as impressive as HTC's "Sense", HTC is loosing customers solely on the fact of screen display.

As for the fact of better screen visually between the Desire S and the Sensation, you shouldn't see much noticeable differences between color and angle because they are the same screens (SLCD). As for clarity, the Sensation is better due to it's QHD (540x960) pixalation. The Desire S is only 480x800, so images on the Sensation will be more crisp.

As for the speed of the Sensation, it's common for HTC to make "stock" roms have bloatware and unoptimized kernels. When the Sensation get's custom roms made, it will fly. But speed also comes from the amount or RAM. Both the Inspire and the Sensation uses 768MB of RAM. Also the Sensation's processor is NOT the same as the Inspire or DHD. The Sensation's processor is a Qualcomm MSM8660. The Inspire's is the Qualcomm MSM8655. The Sensation's processor is not the DHD's just doubled. It's a new processor all together (using 1.2GHz doubled not 1.0GHz).

As for battery, there's a lot of different factors to consider. It's a known fact that the more juice the processor and screen (size) needs, the more juice the battery needs. Even though the Sensation's battery is bigger, it still might not have a "big" advantage over the DHD's. If HTC used an AMOLED screen (or better) rather than SLCD, the 1520mAh battery in the Sensation would have better performance.

This topic is about the Sensation not being optimized "right now". I agree that is isn't optimized and might have some noticeable lag here and there. But the hardware in the phone is very impressive. When the bootloader is unlocked (which should be soon in the near future) and custom roms will be able to be used, this phone will prove to be one of the best HTC phone's to date.
[HTC Sensation] redbullcat:
@sbryan12144 +1. I would have quoted, but it's quite a long post xD

+1 on this, especially the last paragraph. I know this phone is faster than the SGS2. It's just Sense is better (than TouchWiz. Stock beats them all!), and a more intrusive overlay, so the benchmarks are lower. Put them both on CyanogenMod and I suspect that the Sensation will be faster. If it isn't, it's the qHD screen making the difference, which is better than having benchmarks imo.

So, tldr; Sense beats benchmarks and qHD beats benchmarks, having Sense and qHD gives it rubbish benchmarks. But they're way better than benchmarks! :D
[HTC Sensation] sbryan12144:
I personally don't rely on benchmarks. I rely on the overall feel of the phone. If the phone runs smooth and great but has low benchmarks, does it really matter if you compare that to a phone that lags a lot but has good benchmarks? I think the obvious choice is your liking to the feel of the phone. Think about it, you may show off the benchmarks a couple of times, but your using the phone almost 24/7 so that's why I don't go by just benchmarks alone.

Now I'm not saying the SGSII is worse than the Sensation though. Through an ASOP or CM7 perspective, the SGSII is best considering is display and battery life. But I don't know about you but I'm a "overlay" fan. If it came down to overlay, Sense 3.0 on the Sensation is the literal best choice. If it came down to ASOP or CM7, SGSII is the best choice. If we got Sense 3.0 running on the SGSII, it would be a freaking beast, but hopes for that are very very slim. But back to reality. My obvious choice would be to stick with the Sensation for it's overlay, but if you want ASOP or CM7, both will perform great.
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
Galaxy s2 can't have twice the power. You just backfired on your own words. You said so the work is done by one core. The gs2 has a 1.2 ghz core while gs has 1 ghz

You said all the work is done by one core. So that is definitely not twice as fast. You sir have not don't your research.

You are thinking of dual cores in computers or windows,

You haven't thought of android phones.

First thing: our friend was worrying for no reason: Android is able to take good advantage of the second core straightaway; you don’t need to wait for a later version. It may not take full advantage and future Android versions will likely feature more optimisations in this area, but it’s a properly SMP-aware operating system, unlike Windows Mobile 6.x which only supported one applications processor core.
[HTC Sensation] animaleyes76:
My thoughts exactly.

I don't think i could wait 6 months for HTC to upgrade the sensation to Ice Cream and HTC themselves have said there will be some other big launches later in the year on their Facebook pages and I reckon some of them will have Ice Cream on.

The sensation just isn't what i was hoping for spec wise. Maybe the next ones will be. We shall see.