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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Hi Guys

Sorry for the off topic message

I am starting a campaign on HTC Facebook page, I ask you all to participate, if we all post the same message on HTC page , I am sure HTC will officially reply about the unlocking of the bootloaders.

Here is the LINK

Let's all unite and let HTC hear us and reply us....

NOTE:

HTC Facebook site will NOT allow you to post a message more than 1000 characters, so goto the Photo section and add an ordinary photo or add below photo , then your message can be as long as you wish
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Daemos:
Uh...they already have?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/

That said...it doesn't help with devices that already have locked bootloaders.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redpoint73:
If you actually bothered to read doublecheese's message to HTC, you would see that he already knows that HTC has changed their locked bootloader policy. Doublecheese's request to HTC is whether the Flyer specifically will have the bootloader unlocked, and if so, when.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
No, that said, that something is changed but not what. For HTC is it no problem also to update the boot-loader and thereby to unlock it. The problem is that nobody knows anything particularly if HTC will do it retroactive and when...

... but the pressure is high and there is no argument to lock the boot-loaders.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Exactly, this is what I want to learn

HTC should give us some replies with specific answers, I don`t want to check out HTC page everyday looking for an answers.

All I need is an specific answer , yes or no and when , simple as that.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MichaelW2608:
Incredible 2 gets s-off

I haven't done any research into this, but maybe the same exploit would work on ours? Unfortunately I am guessing that it is a similar exploit they used to s-off the incredible s, but someone could look into it. I haven't had the time to read the threads in the incredible 2 section.

http://411droid.com/droid-incredible-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Nope, all the security have been changed on the Sensation and the Flyer :(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
Double . . . . . . . . . .
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
It's based on a temp root like everything from the AlphaRev team until now. Maybe AlphaRevX change this also for our device... :(

The problem is that the security for the Flyer and Sensation lock not only the bootloader but also many other stuff which avoid any temporary root access until someone can crack it. For that reason we need a unlocked bootloader from HTC or a tool which did all together at once.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MichaelW2608:
Thats what I was afraid of...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
Does it mean that if Sensation got S-Off, most probably we also can get it too at the same time?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
I am guessing yes,

This was similar with Incredible S and DesireS and another that came about the same time line period.

I have a XTC CLIP and once the S-OFF was made for Incredible S, the S-OFF for the other were made in the same logic as far as I know.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
So as of now, Incredible S still not supported by XTC Clip?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
No it is supported , but this is the last one supported

Newer models aren't supported
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
I got my Ship S-OFF HTC Flyer today. But it's "only" Ship (radio s-off) S-OFF and not Eng S-OFF. So I can't flash unofficial zip's.

But maybe it is easier to flash a recovery or other things?

If somebody knows or has an idea how i can flash a recovery please tell me!

Regards
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TDQuiksilver:
Flash as a P98IMG.zip?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
Yea I also think that could work. But at the moment a have some problems with porting cwm. But i hope i can fix them till evening.

P.S. It's PG41IMG.zip for the flyer ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Which hboot are you all running?

I just got a flyer today, seems like an HK version which hboot 1.10
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
1.07.00000
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
S-OFF: rooted

For all with S-OFF Flyers: Rooted and Phone-ROM (by dalada)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
Seems that those who run hboot 1.07.0000 got s-off while 1.10.0000 didn't.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Where did you read that?

As far as i know, people with S-OFF are factory shipped S-OFF.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] xfakexbloodx:
sory this is my first time used htc,

i have a few question,

1. how we get into hboot ??

2. how to check our hboot series ??

3. and what is s off ??
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mikecoffee:
Power off (with fastboot)

Hold power button and volume down.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
Two of my friends also got Flyer with S-Off and HBOOT 1.07.0000, but mine with S-ON and HBOOT 1.10.0000, so is it coincidence? I believe everything happened for a reason...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] malikons:
FWIW; Mine is hboot 1.10.0000 and its s-off
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ovigt71:
ok...maybe sounds a dumb question, but how you tested is you are s-off? i have also 1.10.0000.....and is S-ON.......
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ovigt71:
here you have all the answers you need it....
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mamay68:
Is it possible to make S-Off on the flyer with HBOOT 1.10.0000:):)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
At present it is only HTC who can give us s-off on our flyers.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] malikons:
by going into the bootloader menu. it says S-off.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] oldpueblo:
Just for kicks and to get it on record, here's what my View says:

EXPRESS PVT SHIP S-ON RL

HBOOT-1.13.0000

MICROP-0656

RADIO-1.05.11.0531

eMMC-boot

June 10 2011,00:12:16
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] grkdotnot:
So 1.07 & 1.10 Hboot come as s-off but 1.13 is s-on we cant grab a rom that might downgrade us to this hboot and enable the to s-off?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
No 1.07 and 1.10 also come S-ON.

*some* units, probably dev units came S-OFF.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
Is there any chances to get dev units?:rolleyes:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
This ROM will hopefully came from HTC in the near future :)

Because there no such ROM until now and we can't dump it because then the signature from HTC is missing and we can't flash it. To flash a ROM or a HBOOT without signature, we need a unlocked bootloader :o
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
This. I'm working on porting amons recovery and my first flash attempt returned a sig fail error. So now I'm exploring any and all avenues I can think of to root my view. My hboot is 1.09.xx.xx and ship s on.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mikecoffee:
Emmm let think to point out something about a error in your statement. ..... Erm could be the S-ON part...... bah look at me! Old and grumpy throwing water on your dreams.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] malikons:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1140878
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
Yes my tab is s on. I had a theory that if I could flash the stock recovery image edited to allow adb as root than I could possibly gain root for the rom while booted.

I was able to edit the stock recovery image and I thought I kept the htc signature but apparently I didn't.

Basically I was trying to see if there was a way I could bypass the sig check in order to flash the recovery.

I have the same theory for system.img as it does not appear to be signed. All trial and error at this point though.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
Unfortunately that one was wifi version because I currently looking for GSM one. :(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ex69:
Just here to wish you luck, and let you know the bounty is almost to $600 USD!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15225596#post15225596
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Westfire:
They are getting close to rooting the Evo 3D. I wonder if that same exploit once finished and released will work for the Flyer?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
I am keeping my eye out for whatever exploit anyone comes up with at this point.

I made changes to the gingerbreak source code, compiled it and ran it and it still got stuck at one of the steps it uses to get root on gingerbread.

Either way I'm lurking and waiting.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vsc:
It appears that they have root at this point.

The lack of root is the only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger on a flyer....
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Let's hope the exploit works on the Flyer as well!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MichaelW2608:
fre3vo

Just tried the fre3vo temp root exploit for the evo 3d by team win. It failed. Just thought I would let you guys know.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
It is failing because they are blocking it from running in anything but the evo 3d and the sensation. The exploit checks which device you have and it never starts to run on the flyer and throws out an error message that this device is not supported. We need to ask the dev to send us a special version with the device check disabled.

This is at least what I think is going on.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MichaelW2608:
I thought that might be the case...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
I was wrong. This exploit simply doesn't work on the flyer....sadly.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mikecoffee:
Its soff we need grrr
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
I am wondering if the lack of developer involvement so far is because it is so costly especially after many of them just put out money for evo 3d's to work. Unless they can do what they did with the 3d I don't think we can get without htc's help unfortunately.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
This!. I have pm'd many members (toast and amon for example) here on xda about getting help to root our devices (I can only do so much by myself) and not a single response in over 2 weeks now.

Everyone is all about the evo 3d (I even think that 3vo moniker is stupid) and everyone else is now left in the dark. If I can find a better technical site at least for our devices I'm jumping ship in a heartbeat.

So much for this site being about helping others. When you pm them for help when it is needed they just ignore you flat out.

I'm not giving up trying to root my view but I'm also not going to expect any help from any of the "vets" here. They seem to have their favorites as it appears.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
They may still look at the flyer. I know they have had their hands pretty full with trying to get the 3d rooted
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Scabes24:
Calm down bro, give it some time. Just because you didn't get a reply from a couple of the big devs doesn't mean this device/forum is being ignored, do you really think they reply to all their PMs?? The flyer is still new, quit *****ing.

Sent from my HTC Flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
I can sympathize with the OP. It is usually very helpful to respond to someone who is getting desperate about something. We are a community of devs and users.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
I didn't mean to come off as *****ing.

The flyer has been out since march of this year and still none of the big devs have touched on rooting it. The evo3d has been out a little over two weeks and there has been massive attention to rooting that device.

So am I being a bit silly? Maybe. But actions speak louder than words and the obvious situation is that I have not seen any of the big devs come in the flyer forum mentioning anything about rooting it.

I'm doing what I can to try to root my view (already compiled the recovery binary and made a recovery image but can't flash it due to signatures) but I can only do so much like I said earlier.

Regardless, we flyer/view owners are pretty much left to fend for ourselves right now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
I fully agree with you, and am waiting with hope that you and others will set the flyer free. Don't give up.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
It's going to be hard for me to give up because I want to change the rom on my view the way I changed it on my rooted evo.

I'm keeping an eye on the evo3d root procedures to see if there is anything that could apply to us.

For any one's concern, I am actively trying anything and everything I can think of to try and root the view/flyer. It would be nice if someone has a view with s off. But I think that's wishful thinking right now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
This error message also exists ("This device is unsupported by this exploit.") but I got: "This device does not support this exploit." which means (and I got some lines output) that the script runs but was not successfull :(

We need the source code or a description how the exploit works.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Yea i sent a message to the dev via twitter and he said that there are no device checks and that our device simply does not have the exploit.

Bummer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MichaelW2608:
From what I understand, the exploit was found in the the qualcomm chipset. Since the flyer and the evo 3d use different processors there was really not much of a chance that the exact same hole was left open in ours.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
If Evo 3D can get rooted or S-Off, so supposedly our Flyer also can, right? Logically the way to do it should be the same.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
It can only been done if an exploit can be found with the flyer that can allow you to gain root access.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] MichaelW2608:
I'm sure it is quite possible. Just not with the same exploit teamwin used. I'm looking forward for details to come out though so we could possibly get an idea as of where to look. Maybe qualcomm has a bad habit of leaving little holes open.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
That would be great to know. A little info here that you can take with a grain of salt. I had inquired to HTC about the Flyer/View and their response was:

"I understand you would like to know about the status of unlocking the bootloaders of the HTC Flyer and Evo View. Both devices are listed to be unlocked. There is not a set date currently as to when we will proceed with this process...". About all you can take from this is that the flyer/view won't be left in the cold when they finally get around to unlocking them.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cbanbury:
Nice to know. Lets hope they wont take the Hero time-scale for doing it though. Do they know there's a bounty for root?...Are HTC eligible to claim if they do supply a root update? :P
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
HTC eligible to claim a bounty? They have more than enough from the purchases. Lol!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mikecoffee:
HTC have had more than the bounty from me, I'be supported them since the first days of win mobile, I've owned 15 HTC phones, I've stuck with them with the sensation when everyone else was buying sgs2 I bought the flyer when everyone was buying transformers and they leave standing here with locked bootloaders shame on you HTC!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kcchen:
I've also an avid suppporter of HTC. I've gone through annual iterations if their phones since the Blue Angel and WM.

I don't blame them for shipping the Flyer locked and S-ON. This has always been the case with their devices. It's been the virtue of community members here to gain more access to our devices. I appluad HTC policy change to ship future devices with unlocked bootloader... But our devices missed that change in policy.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] contradude:
I have a feeling that with the evo view out now, and it sounds like honeycomb headed our way, that there will be a bigger push to develop for this perfectly sized tablet :-). probably need honeycomb first though
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ricwhic414:
I hope honeycomb comes soon. I have been looking at nook colors and might possibly drop the flyer for one of those just because of the development community.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
With HTC not mentioning the HTC Flyer, which they have already sold and profitted from in their Bootloader unlocking, we need serious help from the community Devs to get our devices s-off'ed, and get them root.

Clearly, HTC are concentrating their efforts on their newest devices, which they are yet to sell, as a selling point. It is no longer first come, first served.

I am now glad I bought a Samsung Galaxy s2, and not Sensation. I wish I had not bought the HTC Flyer, and made a complete cross over to Samsung. Regrets, regrets and regrets - thanks to HTC. What more can I say?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kcchen:
I still have faith that HTC will get us a 3.2 update, I'm guessing some tweaks to Sense may be necessary before released. I'm happy with the "pen integrated oversized phone" experience so far. The form-factor and functionality fills the void left by my iPad.

I'm curious what people are expecting to get after rooting? More control of files and backups is all I'm expecting. The pen integration, makes our device fairly unique... Hopefully more apps and future tabs will have similar digitizer incorporated pen integration. But I have a feeling only a handful of the tablet consumers will want or need this type of integration.

Buyer remorse is always a terrible thing. The Galaxy tab (both to my knowledge) has a plastic back which doesn't seem as durable as the aluminum of the Flyer or iPad. I don't torture, my gadgets, but there isa some sense of security when the build material is sturdy...

Anyway, get your device on the market soon if you want to recoop money towards your Samsung.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
I also am hoping to be able to perform backups when rooted as well as removing crapware and and the ability to remove system apps. I would really like to try the beta version of swype 3.0 but I am pretty sure it isn't going to install over the version that was included on the flyer. At least I haven't been successful yet.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
Something different

News from HTC

**UPDATE 7/10**

We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.

We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We’ll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.

HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!

Source: HTC on facebook

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Okay, we still have to wait and hopefully we got it with the Honeycomb update (see second highlight).
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
What about this Exploit for the htc sensation / evo 3d? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1150006

Could that also work for the flyer?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redpoint73:
Swype is not pre-installed. The Swype-like interface on the stock keyboard is HTC's knockoff called "Trace".

Swype won't install, because the company that makes Swype does not support the Flyer hardware. Rooting in itself will not solve that. But it might help a developer come up with a hack to spoof Swype into thinking its a supported device.

Hopefully, Swype will just add the Flyer as a supported device. You can try to contact them and request it, I've been meaning to do so myself. HTC Trace is pretty good, but doesn't seem quite as good at work prediction as Swype (and the HTC Trace function does not work for all fields, like Swype does).

EDIT: Flyer does not have Swype pre-installed, but the View does.

Swype must have added the Flyer as a a supported device in the last few weeks. I just last night (July 13) tried again to install the beta, and it works perfectly.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
I think that is a difference between the view and flyer. I have the view and it has swype preinstalled.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ricwhic414:
I think we have a better chance of seeing an unlocked bootloader than seeing honeycomb IMO
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ovigt71:
...or, to get Honeycomb with...s-off :) (never say never!)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kcchen:
+1 for Honeycomb and S-OFF. I'd bank on honeycomb.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
No, it didn't :(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] wesside123:
Thunderbolt

The Thunderbolt seemed quite difficult to root from the looks of its dev forum. We may see the same difficulty with our Flyers. Perhaps someone from there could help?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mark920:
Guys good news, Agrabren is working on modifying fre3vo to work on the adreno 205, and after the temp root is achieved we should be able to get the hboot unlocked as it is similar to incredible s which alpharevx was able to exploit, and kmdm said he was willing to help with that part, so thinks are looking good for flyer/view root!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Great news indeed!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] contradude:
That's fantastic! I'm pretty amped
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Awesome, cant wait!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] geebee1932:
Can't wait and many thanks!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redpoint73:
Gotcha. You said Flyer in your previous post. The Flyer does not have Swype pre-installed.

In the case of the View having Swype pre-installed, you are correct in that rooting will probably help you install the latest Swype version. From what I've seen on phones with Swype pre-installed, you need to remove the Swype system app in order to install the beta (as you have already surmised).

What version of Swype is on the View?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
2.70.xx.xxxx on my launch view. I have not updated yet so this is the version that first came with the view.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Sorry about the confusion redpoint. I sometimes forget that while the flyer and the view are the same physically they do vary in the the way that sprint has customized it. Great news to hear that some developers are working on it and that there is hope.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mark920:
Guys Agrabren achieved root on the HTC View, this is confirmed to work on the HTC View status is unknown on the Flyer, however I believe it should work if not he is looking for someone with a Flyer to help him test some different builds, the updated Fre3vo can be found here: http://therootofallevo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=117
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Gumby63:
Did not work on my flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Just ran it on my View and it worked. I am going to check out the thread in the Evo 3d forum with the perma-temp root and see if that will work as well.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aostl:
It's shouldn't be to hard to get to work with the flyer right?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Can another person try this on the flyer ? So far only one reported it is not working on his.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
I just tried it on my flyer.

I took all steps, but I get a $ sign instead of the # sign.

Please let me know if you need any further info.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
I will test it soon :o

When nobody else feel up to doing this, I am here :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
My Flyer is in HTC Repair Service now due to USB port NOT working and not being able to sync !!!!! So I can not try for the time being at all :(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Nvidia32:
not working on mine (Wifi 3G 32GB) , all seems ok, but no temproot :(