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[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
Actually, walked into a Verizon store about a week and a half ago and asked if they had the Trophy in yet as it was rumored to be in some stores. The rep immediately asked me why I wanted a WP7. Then tried to sell me an android. I left. BUt, afterwards I got to thinking, and went back to the store.

I asked him if they received a larger commission on android phones and he said, no. So, I asked why he was so intent on pushing android over WP7. He claimed that wp7 was only good for business purposes but not for everyday use, "social stuff" and games. It was obvious that he was confusing it with WM. He also had an android.

I showed him my DVP and some games and "social stuff". Told him about the finer points of WP7 and that it wasn't WM. He had to admit it was cool. Told him when the Trophy came in, play around with it and learn about it.

Otherwise, this was a typical in-store scenario.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
Absolutely the same experience I get everywhere. Why do you want windows phone? Why not get android?

It gets to the point to where I say either you give me what I want or I leave this store you don't get comission, and I demand users don't give the store patronage...

Then I get what I want =)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
That brings back the question... Is the Windows name hurting WP7? Reading your post it seems it does.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
I'd say the Windows name definitely gives people a slightly negative first reaction, but I think that will subside over time as people see the quality of product MS is releasing as of late. I admit, I didn't give wp7 the time of day when I first saw it. I thought the tiles were ridiculous. Boy was I wrong. But a few months after its release I started looking at it more and tried it, it took about 5 minutes to fall in love with its modern UI, and see where MS was headed.

The media being 90% pro apple doesn't help them any either. Its amazing how much coverage of Apple goes on, and how little goes on about MS. And the tone of the coverage is much different for the respective companies as well. But I do think respect for MS is steadily growing as of late, and people will not be able to ignore the quality of their products for very long.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
it's not really the windows name

it's the opinion csr's indicate to people about windows
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I still think it's all down to advertising, people need to see what the WP7 experience is about on their TV. Apple gets criticism for the adverts they put out but that's what talks to people. Sure every iPhone feature exists on other phones but they've never been advertised so simply as to make someone think "I wish I had that". This is what Microsoft needs to do once Mango is out to make people wish they had a WP7 even before stepping into a shop.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
+1 on that. I rarely see advertisments for WP7 over here in Germany. And the few I see point out features Android and iOS is already famous for. From my point of view what they need to let people know is what makes WP7 unique. First of all the UI, but not to forget about how deeply features are integrated into the system in comparison to other mobile OSes. And of course the ease of use even for people who are not as much of a geek as most of us here at XDA are. Which is still the majority of smartphone users.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
email is fairly simple on any platform now. username, password, sync options, done.

i hear ya being an evangalist for your chosen platform. nothing like helping a person out. :)

this past week, i paid attention around the hotel (vacation @ the beach) and noticed one wp7 being used by the pool. everything, and i mean everything (the maids too) was android. i'd count 8 android devices for every 2 iphones. really surprised at the ratio myself.

sooooo, the one wp7 device was a teenage/twentysomething girl @ the pool, and her friends are all "Hey what is that ?" i'm assuming they didn't recognize the UI. she showed them, and they were impressed with the "swooshies" of the UI. there was a bar, so i'm assuming anything that looks neat to a 20 something crowd is 'swooshie' after a few drinks.

a couple of minutes into her impromptu demo, they said, who made it ? she answered samsung... and they asked again, "No, i mean like is that a new android, cause it's not my iphone!"

when she replied "it's a windows phone, my dad develops or something"

immediately there was no interest. none. back to texting, fb'ing, whatever 20somethings do poolside on handsets.

keep in mind i'm watching my kids play (not drown) and there's music, beach, a fire pit, etc so plenty to distract me. the level of crickets chirping silence after declaring it was 'windows' was astonishing.

ignorance ? yep. bliss ? yep.

i did notice two other wp7 devices while i was logging WAP's from the room though. lets assume the wp7 users were very techy, and trying to hack the crap ATT wireless access points, cause otherwise their connections were not secured.

:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
my age group is a bunch of idiots. Time and time again, we don't know anything...the above example proves that
[Windows Phone 7 General] evolutionqy7:
Well im in a situation where if you demo the WP7 handsets in my CPW branch people get very interested.

But my branch manager just wont order any more in so theres no point even trying anymore :S

Ive asked her tons of stuff to order in that are good products and worthy accessories. But she always says yeah and then nothing gets delivered... :(

Tbh i work in a smallish town branch and people dont even know is iOS is good. They just have the feeling that iPhone is the best and go for it. But generally i think if you showed the a windows phone and say its iOS id say they would believe it lol

Its just a perception issue. People dont know why iPhone is good. They just think that it is cause of marketing and friends.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nickallison:
Personally found that getting hold of a working handset from any network franchise shop in UK is nigh on impossible. Finally did, back in october at the Orange shop in Elgin, right on closing, and had to get the guys in there to let me have a go as they were so impressed they were hogging the damn thing. This must have been a Mozart as was back around November last year.

Then spent until March waiting for someone to release the HC 7 Pro (which i know hasnt reviewed all that well, but I love the thing). Whereever i went was met with general indifference or wonderment as to why I would want such a device. I even had the tempting carrot of being out of contract so was prepared to jump to which ever carrier got them in first. No dice.

Even now, I dont know a single other person that owns one, but all have a play and say "wow, that looks good"

Come on M$, step it up
[Windows Phone 7 General] JC_Agga:
Word, went to Bestbuy, they didn't had Trophy, Arrive, Focus, Quantum, Surround, nor HD7. But they promoted on the buyer's guide.... then i went to Walmart. And it was even worse, they are still selling HD2 and many other older phones and i was kinda disappointed by Microsoft and Carriers for not trying to promote WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JC_Agga:
Hmm even as a technie, Android is kinda of confusing to me for some reason. Especially in the settings
[Windows Phone 7 General] nickallison:
On BBC Radio 5 this morning. Mini feature about smart phone security. "expert" on from Bullguard. To paraphrase. iOS users don't really need to worry about viruses, as Application distribution is controlled by Apple. However, Android, Symbian and Windows MOBILE users should be wary of installing any old stuff they find on the web. While, technically none of this is false, not a soul picked up the fact that WP was not mentioned, or the fact the Apllication delivered viruses, Trojans etc, are managed in a similar way to iTunes on the WP7 platform. Same issue, total ignorance, or worse appalling bias from "media types" to iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
This is because for most people Windows Phone and Windows Mobile are the same because of the Windows name. So they assume what was true with WM is still true with WP.

However we turn it we always go back to the same conclusion although I used to disagree with it: the Windows name IS hurting WP7!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jason1175:
I had exactly the same experience at a local Verizon store. I went there looking to demo a Trophy and, not only was there none on display, they claimed to not have any in stock either. I had to drive almost 45mins to another Verizon store to pick one up. In the meantime the salesman tried to make a deal on an Android phone.

I have nothing against Android or anything but I felt that it was actually too much and that the interface is kinda stale. I've had the Trophy for about a week now and I love every bit of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doejohn531:
I just took my girlfriend to the Verizon store to get a new phone. She needed to get a new contract and it was between the Trophy and the iPhone. Before we went in I told her the sales people would probably do anything they could to get her to buy the iPhone BUT I was wrong.

Our sales rep carried a Trophy and said he had just got his today. Apparently a Microsoft rep was in the store earlier that day and was teaching all the sales people about WP7. He also said that once he gets certified in the phone (through Microsoft) he get "prizes" (read commissions) from Microsoft for selling WP7.

Sounds like Microsoft is stepping their game up in the retail stores.

And yes my girlfriend bought the Trophy. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dragon Queen:
So I went to 3 different phone stores yesterday, Best Buy, Costco marqee, and ATT store. Best buy had no WP7 adverts, or phones, but could order them in, costco had a dummy LG Quantum, but didn't even have a sign out for it or WP7. Att had working phones out mixed in with andriod and the iphone 3g. Definatley need to get more visual stuff out there, especially in the stores who are doing more than one carrier.

by dtboos

I agree from have a winmo 6.1 when I first saw the new ui I almost cried and got so mad, but after watching it for a while and mango, waiting for the right hardware and maybe I will wait for mango. Or maybe not.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AirJordan613:
Hi, I updated ota to android 2.3.3 for my evo 4g. I'm a noob so bear with me. I'm unimpressed with 2.3.3 and I want to install the kingdom revolution sense 3.0 rom. From my understanding, the first step is to root. However, it seems that there isn't any root available for this software update. Is there anything I can do besides wait for possibly unrevoked 3 to be updated? I also need to install amon ra so that I can install the rom. If my thought process isn't right please correct me. I've never tried modding my phone before. Thanks.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AirJordan613:
bump bump. can i get an answer here??
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rezistrat:
Unless your S off you'll need to wait til a New root is released Im guessin weeks rather than days. Just keep an eye out when its releases it will be obvious
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AirJordan613:
Alright thanks man. I'll be on the lookout.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dtseiler:
Same situation here. Been meaning to root for a while but didn't start digging until this week after I had already taken the OTA gingerbread update.

Been asking in #unrevokedtest on freenode, nothing yet. Hopefully they get this going.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chumba8:
I got a replacement evo with 2.3.3 PRE INSTALLED when they said they re-called the 2.3.3 update and not to update it was pre installed so im either waiting for a new root also or till my 3d evo comes on the 24 I was order number 1 :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dtseiler:
Sprint recalled the 2.3.3 update?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SouthPhilly:
Ya... haven't heard that one yet???

Decks Rom Rules, Other Roms Drool!!! :-p

Thanks for tryin!!!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kt_91191:
Is it even possible to be s off without of rooted before?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lbcary:
My Evo was rooted ising unrevoked3 + unrevoked forever. When i updated OTA to GB 2.3.3. I first had to unroot my evo,but i didnt use the s-on patch bcuz i thought that as long as i was s-off i could root my device.again once updated,but the only thing it did was make it so i could roll back to 2.2. So my Evo is using the official GB 2.3.3 update & is S-off. Ive tried every root method i can think of,including GingerBreak,which did qork on a few other devices. Since i can still rollback to 2.2, i can stkll flash other GB roms,but i like Sense too much,its one reason i like HTC devices. If anyone knows how to root the evo with 2.3.3 with s-off please post for everyone like me. This is the.first time unrevoked hasnt been able to.root my evo aftr an OTA update,but the past updates were still uaing 2.2.

I also havnt heard of a recall on the GB Evo update. A Sprint rep told me that the evo will most likely get the update to 2.3.4,but he hasnt heard of a recall. He said the netflix app should be working again within 3-6 weeks from the update.

Any word why the update has been recalled. Evrythings been workin for me,xcept when using talk-to-text for sms msgs. It seems almost as stable as the final 2.2 update. The first 2.2 froyo version on the evo had mor bigs/glitches than the current 2.3.3 update. It would be nice if they reissued/resent a new GB update making the talk-to-text work perfect again. It works most the time,& wen it does work its faster & more accurate than before on 2.2, but every now & then i hav to yell,but turning off fast-boot & a simple off/on reset evry mornin & my evo runs good on 2.3.3. Id just like to know why the recall. So if someone still running froyo tries to update OTA that the update has been pulled,& it wont update?.Its no longer available then?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coco305:
i have the same thing lbcary.. running GB 2.3.3 with s-off, gingerbreak doesnt work on my evo.. i could go back to 2.2 but i dont wont too.. and i have a mac not a pc.. but im using a pc to run autoroot but there is no update for autoroot yet.. is there anyway to root my evo when i already have s-off on the 2.3.3 GB?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coco305:
my evo has s-off n runing 2.3.3 but can root it with ginger break
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
is this true? can anyone confirm?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonhern:
The two guys running gingerbread with s-off. Roll back to 2.2, root and install custom recovery ( clockworkmod) and then install the rooted stock 2.3rom through clockwork mod. It is the same as ota update, but rooted already.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonhern:
And in the future just wait a couple of hours,a rooted version of an ota update is ussally available same day. Just install the zip like any other rom and if you are going from a stock rom to stock rom you dont have to wipe data, I have done it that way each time and never had a problem, just wipe cache.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
How do you roll back? I have tried using different ruu's and it doesnt work for me. Anything specific i should be using or something else?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
ohhh, they had s-off, never mind, mine is on...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coco305:
where can i find the custom 2.3.3 n how to put it in my evo?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coco305:
trust me i unroot it to get the ota n try everything but then i see i have s-off... so i try ginger break but it doesnt work on the evo
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
has anyone found any updates on this yet? i also just barely got around to actually going through with a root just to find that it cant be done with 2.3.3 yet
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyakopharr:
I got it free.....idiot
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KIOWA69:
Then either give it back and get another phone or deal with it like the rest of us, all your *****ing is not going to do anything but get you and everyone else more frustrated, and if you love the IPhone so much then go back to it, no ones forcing you to use Android.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tigrisan:
I hope the root comes soon. I can't roll back and can't stand 2.3.3.

*sigh* Wish my rooted Nook Color made phone calls...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
im so over this whole waiting thing.... such a bummer, another 40oz to ease the pain
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pneuma1985:
Im not sure why all of you are bickering if you new how to use google you would know that they have successfully rooted it but half of you fools couldnt figure it out in two lifetimes. So it will take many months to apply the root into .exe or .apk file for you to root.

Stop complaining make a donation and stfu!

Unrevoked dev team gained successful root with 2.3.3 ota on a droid incredible almost three weeks ago...The gained root on the evo two weeks ago there are tons of droid forums and irc channels dedicated to this very topic do some research and maybe youll all stop being so impatient.

Theres an thread from an unrevoked dev team member dedicated to this as well.

I heard they were having rebooting issues thats the current problem

Problem is its just as easy for google to find!

Yes I did it was the wrong link I had like a hundred windows open I copied the wrong link... Mybad Let me find the right one... I talked to a dev team memeber they have temp root and were working on full root...So either way they have root! Id rather not say who b/c you little whiners are sending them thousands of pms and emails and twitters and flooding there irc channel! What a bunch of complainers!

http://www.amarjit.info/2011/04/unrevoked-333-may-launch-soon-exploits.html

Theres the right page ...hey they looked similar to me when I was looking for which window it was...

Unrevoked dev team is being bombarded by a bunch of jackasses asking them for their skills which they provide for free I might add! Just be patient!

Heres the main page for the exploit:

http://c-skills.blogspot.com/2011/04/yummy-yummy-gingerbreak.html

Unrevoked dev squad is using the same exploit! So anyone who says it cant be rooted is full of crap: pure ignorance. Android 2.3.3/aka gingerbread has tons of exploits that can be used against it... They've isolated a few of them and are doing testing so they dont brick all your phones. They are testing it b/c a good % of idiots bricked there phones with the last unrevoked. And not only that it will take a couple weeks of c coding to make a oneclick root method out of it... Then a while on testing that as well!

Why would any of you want 2.3.3 its garbage and has tons of problems.My wifes phone has the update already on it and its crap! Doesnt really change anything and runs hot and is pretty crappy when it comes to responding...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockingout92:
Pneuma.... Did you happen to notice the post date of that link? Lolol

Sent from my unrooted EVO 4G :(
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JBO1018:
Seriously lol. Thats old news and was patched in 2.3.4 I believe. Either way it's been patched. New exploits have been elusive thus far it seems.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pneuma1985:
No not according to unrevoked dev team... As of two weeks ago they isolated and exploited it! They were having problems with random rebooting... That was on the incredible... Which is the first phone they took a stab at!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ultimatetechworm:
well what can i do i have a 2.3.3 evo 4g can i roll back.. s-on
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
"figure it out in two lifetimes" hahahaha! talk about alot stressing up in here, hey "Pneuma1985" wanted to ask on a current "ROM" I have in progress?

Setup

1. installed VB, Ubuntu 9.1 and setup the kitchen was a "success".

2. Copied over a based(AOSP) (WorkingFoldr) just to see the feel and menu's on what's in it "Success"

3. ran error check scrpt success"

4. Repacked and zipped it "Success"

5. Flashing and saw the scrpt loading up in the CWR screen "Success"

Now what I remembered and backtracked to it was "boot.img" these would be for and consist of

1 boot ani?

2 boot animations?

In the main menu(kitchen) this would allow me to change the Boot theme/animations??
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jau4000:
You forget that some of us had no choice as to getting 2.3.3, alot of phones came out of the box new or refurbed with 2.3.3,and yes it sucks!!! but thanks for the helpful info, your post is highly informative :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockingout92:
well i stand corrected pnuema, did some reading up on your links, good info so far. can't wait for root, but I'll be patient like the rest of us. haha :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Has aanyone tried the alpharev x beta?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kiduno99:
no give it the old college try and give us some feed back...

Sent from my PC36100 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Just checked out alpharev x and the beta registration doesn't even have the option for the evo 4g and none of the others listed have the same hboot :(
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sherlock1015:
So Ready

I've never rooted before, but done a lot reading the last few days and am so ready to root. I am ready to be free from sprintware. Gonna dry the deck ROM also.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
If we can ever get root :(
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockingout92:
haha don't worry guys, just saw on twitter today, agraben tweeted that they're working on the OG EVO. :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
That's the first hope I have seen since this wwhole bs started
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
I have came across a thread, and I can't post my idea's for some reason but anyways, not trying to redirect anyone from here, but I really need to know how push a .exe file I have through hboot or recovery as it will not be seen? Since we are blocked from the outside? thought it would be alternative route if we start from th inside?

Had this posted about almost a month, no dev's nor anyone can get me or point me to the right direction. Google and other info sites won't help since it has not been done before, sounds dumb but sorry I would really love some feed back for lately there has not been anything in progress..

You can put the file through es.explore app etc or through sd card on your comp, but not gonna work that way..

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1171252.htmle
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockingout92:
Yep, it's exciting stuff!

Twitter:

agrabren Kevin Bruckert

#fre3vo status: Shift may still have an issue (hangs). OG EVO is being ellusive. Vivow also a bit ellusive.

19 hours ago
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AirJordan613:
Do we have any idea on a timeframe?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kaos Chase:
I went to unrEVOked's twitter this morning and found this message....

Hopefully, maybe, by some small miracle they have found root with the 2.3.3 update!!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mthanded:
Keeping my fingers crossed.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AirJordan613:
X2 fingers crossed. I could really use wireless teather and overclock.