yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
So from what I understand, the problem the devs are having in the Evo 3d section is something called Reliable Write. I don't know that much about it, but from what I understand the eMMC chip is checking to see if any changes were made to certain parts of the file system and if it detects changes it will undo them. Is there a possibility that the flyer does not use this technology since it was released around the same time as the Incredible 2 which has been rooted?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
It is my understanding that the hboot on the flyer/view is same as the one on the incredible s. This means that it is possible that the s-off method used on the incredible s will work on our device. Supposedly it is being work on. Of course if this is achieved then we will need some developers to give us a rom with permenant root. The only difficulty there would be the fact that there are 3 different models(wif 16GB, wifi 32GB, View) and the rom's may need to be different for each. See this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15695544&postcount=15
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mikecoffee:
The roms aren't a problem.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
Thanks, I don't know how I missed that ha.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nostard19:
Note app??

Wow thats an awesome news. Since temp root is achieved, is there any chance of extracting the "note app" or "digital ink" features from flyer? Then maybe this can be ported to SGT or other tabs.. :D

Sorry if its out of topic.. But realy nice progress Devs.. :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
That is all done because therefore you don't need root access on the source.

Like all other stuff from HTC you need here also a complete port from Sense and not only from a specific app, widget. And how will you port the hardware???

PS. I see somewhere a ROM port to the Sensation.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Deerhunter48:
There is no other tablet with the dual N Trig Digitizer of the Flyer - can't he extracted.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nostard19:
Oh, ok, well i didnt know abt the hardware difference here.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thompson187:
what is a dual N Trig Digitizer...?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
The pen but also the receiver in the Flyer self.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mark920:
Yeah that's the reason it's pressure sensitive
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Deerhunter48:
The multitouch display consists of different layers, one of them, responsible for the input, is the digitizer.

A standard capacitive digitizer like the most tablets/smartphones have, can support only input to the (multi-)touch screen by a sufficiently large conductive mass like a man´s fingertip, but not the small tip of a pen - for using a pen on a touch screen, it needs a second digitizer. The guys from N-Trig combined them.

More Info: http://www.n-trig.com/
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] grkdotnot:
One more thing left to do. I S-off maybe the developers from Thunderbolt can assist.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mark920:
Guys get your bounty money ready for IEF from Team Alpharev!!!! :)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11670922/View Files/IMAG0071.jpg
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thompson187:
@mark:

do you want tell us, that the alpha team has a perma root and s off for us???
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Don't make me wait mark920! :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] StormMcCloud:
O.o

Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of 4g fury!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
Your image is showing HTC "Express" Whatever that is, i don't think it is the flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
HTC Express is the EVO View 4g.

Just like the flyer with minor differences here and there.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] StormMcCloud:
That makes me want him to post something even more! Lol

Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of 4g fury!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Hopefully it is the real thing. I would live to get a tweaked, rooted rom on my view.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mark920:
Who wants to test for the Flyer?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
Who doesn't?

Would like to.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
Just waiting for the view build over here.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] steinerhippo:
A shame that mine is currently on repair :( hope to get it back soon. I'd immediatly be in :D
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
I'll test the flyer!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
Our eyes are on your next comment.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] StormMcCloud:
Lol he knows he has us on the edge of our seats.

Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of 4g fury!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mark920:
the tester will need to have a linux box with sshd setup and will need to be available on IRC tomorrow
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
No express testing needed? I would just need to setup sshd if a tester for express is needed. :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
I have a linux box and have ssh set up. I wouldn't be available on irc till tomorrow evening though. I really don't want to keep the flyer community waiting that long ha
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Well if this means the Flyer and View owners are going to be able to take advantage of the alpharevX, I hope that there is CW or RA recovery available for us as well.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] empiricalis:
Also works on the latest OTA for the Evo View: http://i.imgur.com/0A4Lp.jpg :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Sorry, cn't test tody. Tomorrow would be a possibility.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thompson187:
did anybody test it on the flyer?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ex69:
/crosses fingers
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
Not that I know of.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sp1ice69:
I am happy to test on my Flyer 32GB 3G, whats the procedure?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
As far as I know, no one here knows. If you look back a page or two, someone posted that the tester would have to have a linux box, sshd set up, and be available on IRC today.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
In about an hour or so I will start testing, will keep y'all informed.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
Sounds great. I'll be monitoring the post, are you in IRC right now?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
I will also be monitoring the thread.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Yup, in irc, goenie
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
goenieg, what server and channel?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Victory!

Ief from alpharev remoted into my.flyer via ssh, did some magic and i now have a working s off flyer, awesome!

I don't know the details of what he did, but I.am.sure it will be posted here later on.

Thanks to ief again for his kind assistance and patience :)

Cheers all
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Goenieg,

What where IEF's prerequisites for this? Temp root,ssh etc? Or was it just ssh?

Would like to ask for the same but don't want to waste time asking the same questions as you did. I missed the first part on IRC, just saw the success message.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Linux, ssh, remote port forwarding on.

I just did a happy dance ..:)

I think the guys from alphadev will update here if they are redy to roll it out for everyone. I don't wanna speak.for them though, I am not affiliated with them, they were so kind to use me as a test monkey.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] m4rk0358:
Noob question...now that you are s-off can you install the superuser app and run root-only apps?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Yeah sounds about right....remote access to run the test version on your linux machine. I'll see if IEF wants another guinea pig but if not I'll wait until they release. I have waited this long I can wait a bit longer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
UK 3G Flyer, was on HBOOT 1.10 no S-OFF with the help of IEF from Alpharev!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Grats clubtech :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
Ok, how do I get in on this? I'm at work but I have my linux laptop in the bag and my flyer sittin right next to me...lol. I tried volunteering yesterday, but never got a response from anyone.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Do we know yet what hboot rev's it does work on? If they don't mind you releasing that info.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] clubtech:
I read 1.09 1.13 and 1.10. maybe more i am not sure.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] contradude:
I'm so excited! I can't wait to s-off my flyer, I'll probably start attempting a custom rom after we get s-off released
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
The release of this tool by the alpharev team may be even more anticipated than the honeycomb release at here at xda. Reminds me of the old heinz commercial singing anticipation....
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] LowFire82:
Another win for AlphaRev team

Thanks guys for all of your work!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] andmaf:
Don't forget #TeamWin, without their temp root s-off would not have been possible! Thanks teamwin and alpharev
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
IEF is done on the alpha/beta for now so you'll have to wait for a delivery or open beta before you can get S-OFF just like everyone else.

Note: This means DO NOT GO TO THE ALPHAREV TEAM AND WASTE THEIR TIME ASKING FOR FLYER S-OFF

it will be released when it's ready.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sp1ice69:
Anxiously waiting ...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ovigt71:
yes....can't wait to see my Flyer unchain...... :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kingwild:
Waiting patiently and thanks everyone for helping the Flyer owners out.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] 8afri:
This is good news!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spyz88:
Anxiously waiting so I can go buy a Flyer...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] StormMcCloud:
*throws rocks at airplanes that are flying overhead while he waits for s-off*

Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of 4g fury!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Watch out Storm, the DHS might take away your flyer for that...

Sent from my already S Off flyer, 7 " of pure awesome root power

:)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
did u manage to install phone apps on ur flyer and use it like galaxy tab?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Yup, I installed the image from here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1175589

Works great!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] StormMcCloud:
Lol nah they would only take it away if I was using it to fly up and throw the rocks.

Sent from my HTC EVO View. 7" of 4g fury!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] m4rk0358:
Can you provide some details on how it works? I want to know if you can make calls directly through the device as well as via bluetooth. Also, how does your carrier account for that? Do they now charge you minutes or is that somehow baked into whatever plan you have? Will they now notice that calls are being made and potentially charge you more or disable something remotely?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] goenieg:
Yes, I can make calls through the device (and bluetooth should work too, but I refuse to wear a stupid headset all day :)

I bought a prepaid sim especially for my flyer, most of the time I am on wifi anyway.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] superdino:
hm... do I miss something? You bought a SIM for your WIFI Flyer?

Is there a SIM slot on this too? I didn't check it ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cdtan99:
Yes, there is. The 32GB version is wifi+3G. The 16GB version is only wifi so no SIM.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sookieball:
I wish s-on didn't exist.... I'm not lucky enough to have an s-off device.

:-(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] KuriKai:
I got s-off now and run the temproot exploit and get this

Potential exploit area found at address 38125600:1a00.
Exploiting device...
dave@dave-nattypc:~/temp/root$

But I don't see to have rw permissions to /system

I must be missing something?

I got flyer 32gig
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
forget temp root, read the instructions from the perm root for S-OFF flyers.

You have to remount read/write ( easiest through adb ) to write to /system
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
how do u get s-off?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] KuriKai:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1192263
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
Just ran it...literally less than 3 minutes to s-off my express using ubuntu. Now to see if my recovery and rooted rom images work :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
You mentioned you got s-off on your express. An I correct that the express is the View? If so, can you let me know where you got a recovery image for the View? I saw one floating around that but it was for the flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lovethyEVO:
HTC Express is HTC View.

The recovery I'm basically porting from amon for the view. I have the compiled binary and edited images and now I'm going to flash it and see if it works.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Gotcha. Let us know if it works. Right now the View users can get S-Off but are basically stuck without a recovery image.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Two things here. I did find a CWM recovery image. It is here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1122694

Second thing. I got s-off and flashed the recovery image. I booted into recovery and flashed the su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed from revolutionary. I booted and started TB Pro and it said I was rooted. Started a terminal on the View and did su and got the # symbol and was able to cd to data and ls the contents. I opened an adb shell from my pc and did su and got permission denied. Any suggestions on how to stop that from happening?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Leave the screen on and accept the toaster notification from superuser, then it should work.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
It certainly did!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lockers7:
temp root of Korean KT flyer 4g

Damn KT Flyer 4g(Express) is possible to root temparily

gaining temp root

Exploit region at fff29000:0

thru fre3vo.

How can I perm root and even S-off

Bad Korean Telecomm.....
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Shigster:
I already covered this in the General section.

HTC patched the way to get temp root using the Gingerbreak binary.

The guys at Gingerbreak and unrevoked are working to find a way to get temp root and then be able to root the device.

If you are able to do so, then more power to you but the current methods will not work....trust me I've used my flyer as a guinea pig..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] LowFire82:
Sorry, did not see it in there.....was just about to try again too :(

I am willing to help anyway I can though
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
I know, I know. For that reason I announced that it will take some time...

And I ask HTC (maybe they will help us ;-) if there are plans for the Flyer to addapt the new bootloader policy (unlocked). Here is the typical HTC answer:

"We don't have any information to confirm regarding your question." :rolleyes:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] grkdotnot:
Are ant of the leaked roms have s off? If there is you can compare and possibly find a solution to this. I'm soon getting one til then I can throw ideas out there.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] saayinla:
Bootloader details

Thought I ll be lucky and have a test unit but guess am not.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Last week I bought the Sensation and the FLYER , since a week I realised that I can not live without S-OFF and Root !!!!!

Come on HTC !!!!! Don`t make us wait more !!!

Here is a latest picture of my Small HTC FAMILY :)

P.S - 1x HD7 , 1x HD2 , 1x HD, 1 x Touch Pro and 2x Touch Pro2 are not in this picture as they are either sold or gave them as a gift to some friends after using it :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] saayinla:
Seriously, You have 5 HTC devices all at once for yourself alone? How exactly does that work?

I consider myself carring too much with my Flyer and Desire HD and now this!!!!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Pretty simple actually :)

Until I get my Sensation S-OFF and rooted I will hang on to my Inc S and Desire HD as they are rooted ok. Once Sensation is Rooted, Inc S and DHD will be gone :)

And the Touch Pro 2 will always be with me until HTC finally makes a device which can actually make regular 3G Video Calls.

:)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
The difference is here not in the ROM but in the HBOOT section and I didn't see this leaked and when it will also secured :(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] romanas2007:
I got my flier into recovery after trying to enter bootloader. Now I have the red triangle. How can I reboot? Will you please help!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
I will post you a link here.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] YOSEFE:
See here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1088781&highlight=tips

I also had that happen to my flyer. I resolved the issue by doing the above.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aostl:
Looks like androidpolice has some s-off utility for incredible s etc... Perhaps that would work for us.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mikecoffee:
It looks like android police reported at story about alpha rev .......
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
When I correct remember you have to press volumne up and power button synchronous. If not try to hold the power button for some seconds. How ever I was there also and can leave it...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
If I'm not mistaken, if using Alpharev tools, our Flyer need to be rooted first. So I think what we should do:

1) Find the way to root the flyer (whether Temproot or Permroot)

2) Concentrate to S-Off

3) Then maybe there will be a custom Rom to tweak our Flyer here and there.

Just my 2cents.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
Tomorrow or so I will get an S-Off Flyer.

Then I will try to port cwm for it and probably release a custom rom.

So you guys can use it just after a way to unlock the flyer was found. ;)

Stay tuned!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
Cool. How do u manage to get S-OFF for your flyer? Mind to share with all of us here?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] LowFire82:
Most likely a developer model
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
Sounds cool :rolleyes:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deadlyheart4u:
i am near to success, will get you updated, i need some funds to finish my research
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mrmad23:
What sort of funds do you need?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
Yes, it's a dev-device :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Succes to what ?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redpoint73:
People will be happy to pay the bounty after the root method is posted here and verified, not before.

Good luck, and let's see what you've got!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deadlyheart4u:
i will finish the rooting, and will keep you all posted.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Did you some how manage to get the S-OFF yet ?

I don`t think so , but if you really did , you will be my new Phone God :)

P.S. Make a Rooting for Sensation also , since you are at it ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aostl:
Please x 100
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
I/m very sure this thread will help you much >> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1108895
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
Really?

On a S-OFF Flyer, shell root, temporary root or really with S-OFF (which is needed for complete rooted)?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
I know it sounds like BS , but we will see , at the moment it seems like too good to be true..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] imranz:
If it seems too hard to get our Flyer rooted, no wonder if users here sold it off after using it for 1 month or 2.:cool:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kcchen:
The people who have returned or sold off the device, probably found other reasons than the device not being rooted. The device (mine is wi-fi only) is fine without rooting.

I'd like to see the device rooted to give me a little more flexibility with backups, overclock and modify the build.prop to gain more access to the market, disable a few processes. But outside of that it works as advertised... or at least for what I use it for.

Not happy with Sense? Load a different launcher.

What else is there to gain from rooting the device? Ported ROMs... Probably no pen support.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
I just spoke to Raskal ( XTC CLIP)

He says summer holidays is coming and he has also alot of other things to do , so he is not planning anything for the Sensation and/or Flyer ...

According to what I understand , he can not find a way to S-OFF these devices so he is blaming the too much work and summer holidays :)

So the only hope right now is the HTC Himself !!!!! unlocking the bootloaders.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] gibson7:
seems like someone in taiwan managed to get it rooted on a s-off set.

provided the root, but didn't provide how to s-off.

here's the thread...in chinese :(

http://bbs.goapk.com/thread-2852795-1-1.html

there's even a video of the htc making a voice call on youtube now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4adPUV41XLg
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Wow , this is a good start but we still don`t know how to get S-OFF !!!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] killerskincanoe:
So we basically need sum1 to translate that ... Or someone fluent who could ask them for us what the deal is.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] BitVenom:
On it

30% of my company is natively fluent in Chinese - and they are programmers/engineers - looking to get somebody to help me summarize (and test on some in-house Flyers) right away. Stay tuned.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
According to Google Translate and my understanding of Google`s crappy translation

They only have a solution to the ROOT and can only be made with S-OFF devices only !!!

There is no info on how to make S-OFF , but there is info about Rooting

So forget it guys !!!! let`s keep dreamin`
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Shigster:
Lets bombard HTC to make our devices S-OFF

xD
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
I think you are right about this,

I think we must do the following

We must send a message to their Facebook page, saying how loyal we are to HTC , how we follow them since so many years etc etc blah blah .

Then we have to ask them the following question

1) When you will do this ? Just give us a date and we keep quite till then

2) Which devices will get this ?

Simple as that , HTC always says SOON, but we need to learn when exactly is this SOON , we need a specific date.

When I have the time , I wll post a message and put pictures of my recent 11 HTC phones and if you all support me too, I think HTC might be giving us at least a specific date on when to unlock the bootloaders.

EDIT : MAYBE WE SHOULD PREPARE A SPECIFIC MESSAGE AND ALL OF US POST THE SAME MESSAGE ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE ONE AFTER THE OTHER ONE WHICH WILL CAUSE THEM TO REACT .
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] gibson7:
i would be happy if they just push an update with only the s-off.

i don't really care HC for the moment.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Elim:
Okay, it is for S-OFF Flyers :( and here it is not such a big problem because until now only the locked bootloader avoid all solutions.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
@doublecheese: Good idea! Let's give it a try! :)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
It's not difficult to root a s-off device ^^

If you have s-off you can do nearly everything.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kokyew:
It's easy to know how to S-OFF, just call the person in Taiwan!!

We all know his phone number. Haha! :D
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] BitVenom:
They are simply using the 'rageagainstthecage' exploit - I pulled the ZIP down - nothing special...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sofunnyxdd:
they seems dont want to share how they managed to get s-off

they said they got s-off by making a gold card i think?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
You can't s-off a device with a goldcard ;)

Maybe they have just a developer device which is already s-off. Then it's not difficult to root it ;)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] doublecheese:
Du hassch's recht, schooo guat

How is my swiss german :)

I am sure its a already S-OFF device

When I find the time I will prepare a message and post to HTC FB page.

If you all post the same message or similar one after the other one then HTC will get the message.

I will post here and sensation forum page on the xda to inform people when to start posting messages to htc fb site.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] nickiberli:
Not bad ;)