yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
We have no idea. U know how devs are... they wont tell u anything until they decide to release it. Lol. But im grateful to them. And whenever i see something i really like from them i donate to them. :-)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brewtool:
where do i check this s off/on
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lordbater:
I've rooted a few of my 2.2 Evos and I understand there isn't currently a root for 2.3.3, but can someone further explain the S-on S-off thing?

I just received a replacement phone from Asurion with 2.3.3, and I'm tempted to wait to activate it a while to see if a root becomes available (can still limp along with my old one), but I don't understand the S ON/OFF thing at all. My 2.2 rooted phones were rooted with unrevoked, not that that matters with my new phone, but....

Thanks

Andrew
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
u have to turn on ur phone on bootloader... i think thats the name... u turn ur phone off, pull the battery out, then put it back in, hold the volume down and power keys at the same time... it will take u to the bootloader, u will see right it there... dont worry thought, #teamwin has found a root for the 3D, they are testing it now, before they release it :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
S just means Security, if its on, u cant root. that is, until the nice developers can find a way to crack it open... They already found a way to do it on the evo 3d, so, my guess is that evo 4g is coming soon after... the root is not ready yet though..
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lordbater:
Thanks, how about some more advice while I've got a few of yall's attention.

I'm running a Fresh rom on my current, hosed, phone.

I had planned on rooting this new phone and restoring a backup I just made.

Since I have the new phone, when the root becomes available, will I be able to do this?

Should I ditch the Fresh (I've been happy with it) all together?

long and short of it is I wanted to restore from my backup so I don't have to **** around with getting all my settings straight again and everything.

If yall say go with a different rom, I'm likely to go ahead and activate this phone and continue using it until a root is available,

if yall say "if your happy with the fresh, stick with it" I'll wait on activating it and use my hosed phone.

Thanks for the advice

Andrew

Edit: S-On, as I'm sure ALL of you could have told me, and most did earlier in this thread...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
well, that just depends on what YOU want to do... the thing is that u need to make sure that your fresh rom is compatible with the baseband on the new phone u just got... And even then, you can't put the rom into the new phone until you get it rooted. I don't know anything about Fresh rom though. I use Calkulin's Evio roms. Ive tried many others but i need access to EPST, and other roms that are AOSP based dont have EPST access. or if they do, i cant seem to be able to use it...

Now, as far as activating it, you could activate it, I don't see that it will make any difference by activating it or not, the only thing is, if your carrier offers an update, DO NOT take it... lol. Then once you root it, try and see if you can instal fresh rom on it, but thats not a guarantee, the rom might need to be updated to work with the newer baseband, if it doesn't already work with it.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lordbater:
Well.... It sort of goes like this.

If I leave my Jeep in the driveway with the top off, it WILL rain.

If I activate my new phone and spend all July 4th weekend tweaking it the way I want it, they'll issue the new rooting instructions on the 5th..

Considering we could use the rain(Houston) and the root, maybe I should start taking up donations to do both.. ;)

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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skinnyveganboy:
I'm pretty sure I remember people saying that when you install GB on a s-off device, the s-off is a lie. it's actually s-on. it's kind of like a bug that got overlooked. so, ya, sorry to be the messenger but i'm pretty sure you're all s-on now.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
I wonder if sprint would roll me back to 2.2 if I asked
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] italusa:
I tried that they said noup. BTW this is my second replacement in this week. I was really happy with my old Evo, the power botton stop working and I went to Sprint last monday 27 for a Rf replacement 3 days after it reboot 20 times by itself and I got a new one today, I ask to the tech if he can give me a replacement with Froyo because "I don't like Gingerbread" (just to see if he have an old one) and he told me: sorry they already have the Gingerbread on it. I hope the developers can find a solution soon I was a happy user of MIUI ROM..... Know I really hate my phone. If there is not a solution in a month i will be moving to another brand.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Just called my local sprint they can roll me back to 2.2 no problem! Its a repair center btw
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ti RX-8:
All the devs must be busy working on the EVO 3D root.

Apparently no one cares about the 4G anymore; it's soooo last year. No more love.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ti RX-8:
But definitely let us all know if that works for you. If so, I may have to give it a try on my old 4G.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
sorry its riverside california. its the only repair center around here i called them and the tech said they would roll me back to 2.2 no problem they didnt even ask any questions jjust said yeah sure bring it down. i want to go either tomorrow or sunday then i can root with unrevoked =)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
If you roll back just keep in mind app's like netflix will not function correctly, but if you dont have it that's great!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
Hope you're not taking it in rooted?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Its not rooted that's why I wanna roll it back. Once I do that and root I can flash the rooted version of 2.3.3 right? And no I don't have netflix anyways :P
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
At sprint waiting to be called up so they can take my phone and roll it back
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ed_brd:
Must be nice. I talked to people at both stores here. One laughed at me and said it was impossible the other told me to look on here for help.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
ok so just got back home from sprint. first they tell me 1 hr then it goes to 1.5 hr then at 2 hrs they come and tell me that something is wrong with the computer and they cant do it today and that they should be able to get it back up next week.... so wow im frustrated and i sat around for 2 hrs for absolutely nothing... best part is they still managed to wipe my phone... bummer sprint
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheDrunknGamer:


If you promise to give it back... Ill mail you my evo and you can get mine rolled back.

SIKE!!! Lol

thanks for telling us, I'm gonna call around here and try to find one that will
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Keep calling around... I'm still impatiently waiting since they didn't do anything for me
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheDrunknGamer:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1152101

is this a root for 3d. I can't tell what they talking about
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
It looks like the root for your pho.e follow the instructions and see if it works!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheDrunknGamer:
but is that for evo or 3d?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] linuxman008:
Has Anyone Tried...?

Has anyone tried using a goldcard and installing an older update through hboot? When I rooted my friends mt3g slide, that is what I was able to do to root his. For those who need to know how to create a goldcard, cyanogenmod has a guide,

http:--wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Howto:_Create_a_Goldcard (Replace dashes with //)(New user, sorry)

I personally have a an evo shift, so I can't test but this might be a way for people to downgrade and root that don't have s-off.

Hope this works. :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cdsparrow:
Does the goldcard method have any chance of breaking anything? I will try and see if this will let me run the 2.2 RUU, but it's not my phone, and I really don't want to destroy my roommates' new evo, lol
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] linuxman008:
It didn't damage my friends phone, but this wouldn't let you run a rru.

When you goto bootloader and it scans for a bunch files, if you use one of those files without a goldcard (which is a specially formated SD card) then it will say that your current version is higher and it won't be applied. But, with a goldcard, to my understanding, disallowed it from checking the version and allows you to apply it anyway.

This is probably not how it works, but that's the effects of the goldcard.

As I said earlier, I have a shift, so I can't test this but it should work.

Anyway I can post a link to one of those files that I found in a old rooting guide on YouTube. I think it was a eclair update, but that could probably make it even easier to root. Let me know if anyone wants it.

Sent from my EVO Shift 4G using the new stable mikshiftG with sense 2.1 + 3.0
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cdsparrow:
Thanks, I'll probably get the phone from her tomorrow and try it. She got the phone because I told her I could get tethering working, and it came with GB on it, lol. Told her I would probably have sometime in the next month when the awesome internet hackers get it working... Hopefully the hboot gods smile on the unrevoked guys after they finish with the evo 3d :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
i read on the android forum that this doesnt work with s-on
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Come on devs!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
"back in time"lol
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
anyone have the s-off zip, wanted to try something..
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malibu_23:
im desperate and'll try anything. Gold card confirmed not working on evo w/ s-on? where?

some1 jacked my evo, and i gotta brand new one from assurion. its preloaded withe 2.3.3.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
Can someone send me the zip_s_off already so we can get this carckin'!!lol
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kiduno99:
You can do it. I have faith in you let’s do this. Anyone have what he’s looking for?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
no one yet?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
havent seen that file around anywhere... whats ur plan?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
lol, i think he wants us to make it up and send it to him.. lol
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
did u unlock ur 3d and gettin it going yet?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
checking back no help at all, gee thanks guys...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
nope, i was able to use the temp root tool thats developed for it, but it doesn't make any difference for me cuz i need to mess with the memory (ram) to do my thing, and apparently this puppy uses an emmc ram (i think, i just know that is different) and i cant really crack it just yet, so, i gave up. i finagled my way into sprint's SERO Premium plan and got in.

Monthly plan cost

$40.00

SERO Premium

$40.00 Minimum Monthly Charge

500 Anytime Minutes

Nationwide Long Distance Included

America - Roaming Included

Unlimited Any Mobile, Anytime

Unlimited SMS Text Messaging

Unlimited Picture Mail

Unlimited Data Usage

GPS Navigation

Caller ID

Call Waiting

Three-Way Calling

Voicemail

so now i pay about the same, about 5 bucks more (taxes)(i registered my account in Nevada, which has the lowest mobile taxes in the country)(around 7 or 9%, as opposed to florida's 21%) than on boost. and this plan includes all unlimited but the phone calls, and even that, all phone call made or received to other cell phones are free :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
sorry man, we don't know what you are asking us. if u had an evo 4g rooted with unrevoked before u updated ur phone then u should be able to downgrade (ur S should already be off), but if ur S is on, then there's nothing you can do until the very smart devs develop a root for 2.3.3.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
is just a temporary root, doesnt really let u do much, unless ur developing something... but it doesnt stick, so its not worth anything for the average user yet...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kiduno99:
News to me 2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fsugeiger:
just received a sprint replacement 2.3.3 (s-on), tried unrevoked3 with no luck, tried GingerBreak1.20 with no luck. Is every still waiting for this one to be rooted or did I miss the thread?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
still waiting... they are really taking their time with this one :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fsugeiger:
i guess I will keep the one I have, thanks
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
wow 40 bucks is a good deal i pay 76 on mine with 1500 shared minutes and its way to much haha
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
i know right? its crazy how expensive cell phone bills are! and specially how much they charge for data! when it doesn't even cost them a quarter of it. But i guess that's how the market works... and wait til att finalizes its purchase of tmobile! they are gunna skyrocket their prices... then verizon will buy sprint. LOL metropcs is looking pretty good right about now LOL

p.s. easy tip to save money on minutes, get skype, and for 3 bucks a month, u can make unlimited calls in the us and canada through the skype app on your phone. Where i live i dont have 4g, but 3g is fast enough for skype, and there is no lag on the voice... (sometimes there is, if u have bad signal) that way, u dont use minutes, just data :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wrxtc714:
All of the big guys are focusing on the evo 3d and sensation at the moment.

Once we have root which will hopefully be any day now then I'm sure you guys will be taken care of.

Btw I haven't heard of anyone trying fre3vo on the original evo to try and gain temp root.

Might not work but it is worth a shot. If it does work then you guys are that much closer.

Check it out in the evo 3d or sensation forums here.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
i tried, doesnt work... different exploit :(
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kiduno99:
Another Day... Another non root day. I'm starting to love the stock bloated Sprint infested apps like amazon mp3?! and Nova?! Sprint football man good stuff who needs root...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Haha yeah nova keeps opening up in the background I can't wait to try cm7 and synergy
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Actually my brother wants me to find a root for his Sony x10 but I dunno I'd rather not mess with his phone he doesn't even have warranty or insurance so he doesn't even care for that matter but his stock Rom sucks bad ATT charges for each update and he is stuck on 2.1 not wanting to pay the root could give him 2.3 that would be fun
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
u know, i havent had any problems like that... nothing opens up for me, they just sit in the app drawer taking up space... i just dont like to have em taking up space, but other than that i never see it
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Nova and telenav is always running when I open up the task manager
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kiduno99:
Telenav is always running on my phone. Nova not so much.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tragicwayz:
I dont know if this works or not but I found this:http://answers.downloadatoz.com/q,3811,how-to-root-unlock-htc-evo-3d-gingerbread-2-3-3.html
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
thats only for the Evo3d and Sensation, but it is only a temp root, as soon as you reboot the phone the root goes away... no s-off either...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
oh yea, i see what u mean. in my case, after i kill all the apps with avanced task killer, those nova and telenav never open again, have u tried that?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
att charges for each update???? WTF!!!!!!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Yeah its stupid his phone has a notification to update to Android 2.1 and it costs
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
This is an HTC update:

**UPDATE 7/10**

We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.

We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.

HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!

They are actually doing it. :)

i feel warm inside, LOL
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
This is Great News!!:)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20078309-94/htc-gives-timeline-for-unlocking-bootloaders/
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
i wish they would get on the evo 4g already!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KIOWA69:
Yeah I would be excited if the Evo was unlocked, I'm going through flashing withdrawals here lol.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
we want root!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
where?

where?

where?

where?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
lmao! i thought u said "we can root"!!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Hahaha fail! I wish we could.

" give me root or give me death!"
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sinister Ninja:
2.2 Rollback

Hi, this is my first post. I'm a noob here and I hate myself.

Did anyone have any luck with a 2.2 rollback yet? I just bought the Evo 4g last week and have 2.3.3 (of course). I wish I'd known there was no root for it yet, my buddy's got a 2.2 rooted and it's the coolest.

I had a good rapport with my Sprint store guy (repair center, also) so I'm gonna try him this morning. I'll update once I know if it worked.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Sprint tried to roll my phone back and it didn't work
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sinister Ninja:
Ahh, lame. Guess I'll save myself the trip.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
yeah i drove out there waited 2 hours for them to tell me it didnt work
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bllackkman:
I found this on Androidcentral

THIS WORKED! boot your phone in hboot then after it scans the sd pick fast boot. DONT GO ANY FURTHER. run the RUU and it should go through w/out a problem

I am going to try this on my lunch break and see what happens
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
im gonna try this right now will let u know
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
didnt do anything for me just went to error
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
guys, that method only works for whoever has a cell phone with security off. S-Off
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
You're refering to a 2.3.3 that already rooted right?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tekn010933:
Think his was rooted already on 2.2 going into 2.3.3, because that way? yes, there is a root already for that with the latest 4.24.651.1. Think "Haus" already rooted that for the XDA community.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
wouldnt even need to do it through hboot even if u were s-off thats why i tried it
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KIOWA69:
It would be nice to even have something saying they was at least working on a way to root the new OTA, at least there would be some hope then lol. I know they are working hard on the 3D but haven't heard anything about the good ol Evo.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
Yeah for all we know they could be completely ignoring the OG evo
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vabeachdroid:
the phones over a year old. im suprised there are still developments for a phone of its age
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pseudus:
Agreed. Can we get a confirmation that someone is working on this please...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bllackkman:
I didnt even think about the 2.3.3!! I gave my mom my own Evo because her phone was stolen and used my own upgrade to get another Evo (Because I am not impressed with the Evo 3D) I am so mad at myself right now I was using MIUI, I forgot how to use Sense!!!! LMAO, I am so tempted to go and get a darn Nexus 4G but I am loyal to HTC the make solid phones
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chuunarusamurai:
Just don't know this HTC Evo is a monster best phone I've ever had and still love it even though its a year old.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fertilizer:
i think its crazy how people say how old the evos are... just a lil over a year old huh? yikes thats so old! imagine how much older everything else we have is haha
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Latinaso:
LMAO, i remember my first cell phone, a little flip phone, ericson, this was in 1999, and it was the smallest in the market, and it was huge!! LMAO, it would save like up to 10 callers i think? LOL

technology moves way too fast! its a competitive market... which is a good thing. but its bad for me. "Hi, my name is Yeinel, and i'm addicted to cell phones".
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muggs01:
Temp

Even temp root would be nice :D
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] highdunk5522:
what is (s) and how do you check if its on or off?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wysdym:
In Response

To answer your question, a google search would reveal that

In their devices, HTC has installed a sort of security check whose level is determined by S-OFF/S-ON. Essentially, this security level is a flag stored on the device’s radio that checks signature images for any firmware before it is allowed to be written to system memory. This hinders using any custom ROMs, splash images, recovery etc., and also restricts access to the NAND flash memory. However, when security level is set to S-OFF, the signature check is bypassed, allowing a user to upload custom firmware images, unsigned boot, recovery, splash and HBOOT images, as well as official firmware that has been modified, this enabling maximum customization of your phone.

To see if it is on or off (to boot into hboot)

Turn the phone off.

Pull the battery.

Hold down Vol Down button

While still holding the Vol Down button, put the battery back into the phone

Continue to hold the Vol Down button while phone comes on (until you are in the boot loader). Looks like a white screen with a lot of colorful writing on it.

The very TOP line says (s-on or s-off)

hope this helps, we are all still waiting for the nice root, either TEMP or perm, we don't care. =0)