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[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OhioYJ:
Com Rom is built off of ED01 so it will say that.

ED03 is the latest build basically the same as ED01 just 3 fixed some bug that had a few phones stuck on EA28 if I remember correctly.

I haven't noticed much battery difference between the different modem/radios, personally it seems like the kernels make a bigger difference to me.

Also if you just clear the battery stars to calibrate the battery the battery gauge will be messed up for a couple cycles, best if you run it all the way down too. One of tie batteries I was calibrating in my phone said 0% for almost an hour before it actually turned off.

These phones aren't great on battery life anyways. One of the good things about using a kernel like OTB included in com rom is it allows you to use aftermarket batteries and still charge then in the phone. I get the Samsung batteries (I think they are technically for the epic), out of China for $2 each. Have 5 of them right now the wife and I rotate through. We also have two external chargers, we both just carry a spare battery to use if our phones die during the day.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcapiro:
Thanks for the tips. I think I'm going to try the different radio files and see if that helps. I guess I was just wondering why my display shows as if it's using so much battery and if that was caused by some other conflict. I've had phones with bad battery life but this is just crazy. From the time I wrote the first post (a little less than 2 hrs ago) I've gone from 56% to 36% with nothing installed or running. That's just beyond bad battery life. Something is hosed. I'll try the radios and cross my fingers.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OhioYJ:
Have you tried under the task manager and choose the ram manager do the level 2 clear, should close everything that is running, that helps me quite a bit. Also auto rotate can be turned off when you aren't using it that will help battery life too.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] landshark68:
As was stated earlier, turn off wifi when you are not using it, that will help a lot. Also under wifi settings, advanced, and change the wifi sleep policy to when screen is turned off. And when you look at those percentages under battery use are not a percentage of the total battery, just a percentage of whatever battery use there is. So if you are losing 8% of your battery per hour, that 52% next to display just means display is draining 52% of that 8% per hour drain. Display is almost always going to be the top drain because of the super amoled screen.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prenedo:
^^^ Yeah, display is most of it. Turn brightness down (as opposed to automatic or full brightness) and see how that helps. If that doesn't help, turn off mobile data until needed, if that doesn't help (should do this anyway) recalibrate your battery and cycle it like 2 times. Give it a couple days, it will go back to normal.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dmasjz45:
Radios are the biggest battery drain, not the screen, I've used airplane mode and watched movies with four hours of screen on time and used 20% battery, all you need to do is keep wifi off when not in use, it pings something like every 20s trying to find when you're in range of networks, 3g is your second biggest killer...also do not use auto task killers, for reasons I'm too lazy to get into...lowest screen brightness setting helps some but I've found it a pain going into bright sun and having to change it, the auto dimmer works rather well
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KitsuneKnight:
Click on the items in battery stats and tell us how long your display has actually been on. The display on this phone can fairly easily burn through 1%/minute of being on (in fact, doing the math, my phone's display is at just under 1%/minute right now).

And, personally, I hate JuiceDefender and those apps. They're not fixing the source of the problem, just doing a half assed job of duct taping over what might be tangentally related (while doing horrible things to syncing). Try to find what is _actually_ trying to keep the network awake if that is actually what is going on (the Facebook widget is known to utterly destroy battery life). Make sure apps are using Push instead of Pull notifications where ever possible (Pull uses an astronomically large amount of battery life in comparison to Push).
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thefunkbot:
I get around 15 hours on any other radio than dl09, on which I get around 24-36 hours depending on how much I'm using to phone. Also make sure you turn off wifi when you aren't using it.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcapiro:
Ok, thanks to everyone. I wanted to give you all a quick update in the hopes that this will help someone in the future. I replaced the radio file with EA28 and wow what a difference it made. I now don't see the percentages drop right before my eye and I have a shot of making it through the day. I'm also pretty surprised by the amount of battery the screen uses up. My AMOLED droid incredible usually shows the display as using the least percentage of battery. I guess the super really isn't that super.

One question I do have is if I go back down to DL09 to get the better battery life, what's the trade off?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Adr0it:
I haven't noticed any differences between the DL09 radio and any Froyo radio.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Hughes4123:
So I'm not to impressed with the volume of the bluetooth or the headset jack on this phone. When I play music through the car with either the bluetooth or headset jack, there just isn't enough volume. I'm no pro at audio, but I'm built a few systems in my day. I've used this Ipod in my moms TL and it worked great with the AUX imput jack, but in my Forte it just doesn't have any balls. So, it there a setting on the phone that I just don't see, or is the audio output of the phone just that week?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] h00ligan:
On the recent iOS devices the key is held on chip, and blown away if selecting a east, whereas all the data is stored encrypted and decrypted with the key. So effectively, blowing the key out removes the need to multi pass wipe.

Is there a remote wipe tool if the device is lost?

X many incorrect passwords and it wipes?

How is the privacy handed as far as securing data?

Is this an android standard or does it vary device to device? Does the oem have the ability to alter the security mechanisms or is it a required standard?

Thanks for the info!
[Nexus S General] Darrien13:
I can not install apps :(( whenever I try it says download unsuccessful I have wiped and everything what is the problem
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
What ROM are you using?
[Nexus S General] peronif5:
Have you tried to flash gapps
[Nexus S General] dreamsforgotten:
It could be as simple as going to settings applications chose all and select market the clear all data
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
Is it possible to WiFi tether using the Sensation as a WiFi hotspot without rooting? (Since root has not yet been achieved.)

I have a Nook Color that I often use while tethered via my Nexus One, so to lose this functionality would definitely be a deal-breaker.
[HTC Sensation] DemonoftheMall:
The Wifi hotspot functionality has been in android since 2.2 so it should work unless HTC have removed it for some reason. Doubt they have though.
[HTC Sensation] everyday48:
I tried it several times, when turn on hot spot, the wi fi will turn off automatically.

I guess hot spot is for mobile internet, not for wi fi.
[HTC Sensation] OakNinja:
Are you trying to share a wlan connection over... wlan?
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
Many carriers remove it so they can force you into purchasing their tethering plans. :(
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
What?

What difference are you referring to between "mobile internet" and "WiFi"?
[HTC Sensation] nicky041192:
You turn on the mobile hotspot feature. The wifi turns off and the mobile data turns on. thats the hotspot setup.

then use your nook to search for wifi connection and connect to the sensation.
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
Yes, when you turn on WiFi hotspot, any Android phone will disconnect from WiFi, turn on 3G/4G data, and rebroadcast that data connection as a WiFi hotspot to other devices.

This is standard operation.

I'm just confused as to why he posted it. It doesn't answer the question of whether tethering works or not...? Seems like just a random post.

@everyday48, when you "tried it", did you try connecting another WiFi only device to the WiFi hotspot created by the Sensation?
[HTC Sensation] platinumandroid:
Yes the sensation has wifi hotpot & tethering out of box.Cheers
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
Thank you! Exactly what I wanted to know :D

(Now the question is: Will T-Mobile USA be greedy and take it out? :confused:)
[HTC Sensation] platinumandroid:
No,its all there as default.
[HTC Sensation] xnifex:
Looking at some of the reviews of the US version it's in there still.
[HTC Sensation] harveydent:
Plus I don't believe they charge a tethering fee, so all the more reason for them to keep it in, as you'll end up using more data
[HTC Sensation] xnifex:
They have it & I think they may start trying to enforce it. It's $14.99/month.
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
T-Mobile does charge for tethering via a WiFi hotspot feature as xnifex posted.

But so far it just seems random as to which phones they charge for and which they don't.

Has anyone seen a list of which T-Mobile android phones have tethering free and which you have to pay for?
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
BOOM

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/cell-phones/htc-sensation-4g.aspx?page=all

The Sensation can act as a mobile hotspot for up to five devices using the dedicated app. This feature costs $15 per month on top of your data plan.​

Are they talking out of their ass or is this true? :eek::eek::confused::confused:
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
Since people are starting to get their T-Mobile Sensations from Wal-Mart now, is tethering free or no?
[HTC Sensation] phoenx06:
I tried it out on mine and wasn't prompted to add the feature to my account. I guess I'll see what happens at the end of the month, lol
[HTC Sensation] ballerz4life:
How to tell if being charged?

I have tested this and it works but I am not sure if I am being charged. If there is a charge I will just root and use the wireless tether app.
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
And now that T-Mobile Sensations are rolling out, is it free on those too?

The reason I ask is because upgrading through wireless.amazon.com and wirefly.com both list charges for tethering.

How the heck does that work if it's supposed to be free?

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[HTC Sensation] :
I work for T-Mo..so let me explain...We know when there is 1 long continuous stream of data coming from your device on our network then we know that the user is tethering...Our system auto catches this and back checks for the added feature...If not there are a series of things can happen.

Our system then sends an auto-text message saying "to continue using this feature u must sign up for a tethering plan" and thats $14.99 from us...The "wifi tethering" application its self is pre-loaded on ALL future Android devices including the Sensation. In the future our will Auto-Add the actual feature to your account if/when you don't have it and you are detected using it. In order to use the "wi-fi tether application" you will have to have the "$14.99 wifi tethering feature" added to your monthly plan. Its not free.

If you are using the feature now, please be warned that you may be billed for the usage or the feature added to your account. The system is being updated and catching alot of people doing it. So please be careful.

In some cases u can use it and it will just use your data and our system will NOT catch it..This will change in the near future as we are still upgrading our sytems to catch the various types of streaming data coding sent from the usage stats.

There is no way around this or no hacks as stated. If you use our data there is no back door for it. It's like drinking water out if my cup and me not seeing the difference in the water level.

I hope this answers any speculation and you are all set. Have a good one.
[HTC Sensation] qcefer:
questions

i got the unlimited internet when t-mo was edge only about 6 years ago. i am paying $20 a month for it. to my understanding i am on the true unlimited internet. now will i be limited to the 10gb internet if i add the tethering to my plan? could you elaborate on that for me please?
[HTC Sensation] :
Tethering is essentially "a separate data usage type" from your normal data plan. Net Neutrality research will help you understand more.

Basically like this...

Is it the same internet? YES!

Is it the same type of usage? NO!

Why are they billed separate? Because the end user puts a heavier toll on our network, thus causing us to have network outages, overload and slow downs for other users that don't tether. This requires us to service and expand and equip our towers even more while building internally on our "data switches" at T-Mo local home office.

So in theory people will most likely abuse this feature, causing others who use far less to suffer data issues.

Charging for things usually makes one value it. Thats why AT&T and Verizon went the tiered data route. The end users seem to believe that phone internet is a replacment for home internet and its not!!!!

Our networks can not handle someone watching netflix for 10hrs a day or someone tweeting every 30 seconds for a week straight. Youtube-ing for 5hrs for no apparent reason at all. Its unrealistic that people use 10GB of data but the reality is some people do.

This causes the average joe to have to fork over money for things that SHOULD be free in a sense.

So blame your fellow "end users/abusers" in a nutshell. They're the reason the tiered revolution is here and only going to get worse.

Solution??? Sign up for Comcast/Time Warner and use those..Or go play soccer or something..lol j/k

Hope this explained enough for you.
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
No ways around it? Are you sure about that?

Say someone was tethering an Android WiFi tablet to via an Android phone. How would you be able to tell the difference in data usage between an Android tablet and an Android phone, given using the exact same apps and same usage patterns? How can you tell the difference between watching Netflix or YouTube on an Android tablet versus an Android phone?
[HTC Sensation] GorillaPimp:
There is no way for them to catch it unless they modify the tethering feature to notify them or they use deep packet inspection(analyze the network traffic in a very invasive manner). They are assuming high bandwidth users are tethering and that is why they go on fishing expeditions with those notifications. If they were certain they'd just charge you like they do for going over your plan's minute allotment. They know they can't be certain since apps like Netflix will stream high amounts of data also.

There are ways to circumvent their ability to see what's happening via inspection of the traffic too. SSH tunneling and VPNs will allow you to encrypt traffic. I heard that T-Mo actually throttles any traffic involving mp3 files so I use HTTPS with my Subsonic server so they can't tell what is moving. I don't know for sure that this throttling exists but it doesn't hurt me to do it.
[HTC Sensation] McT1980:
"We know when there is 1 long continuous stream of data coming from your device on our network then we know that the user is tethering..."

Ok.. So how exactly do u know this? It's very possible to do this on the phone without tethering. And charging extra for this to people that have a unlimited plan is not good customer service. They already payed to use it "unlimited" and should be able to use it the way they want :)
[HTC Sensation] GorillaPimp:
Imagine when that approach merges with the data charges for using wifi crap AT&T pulls.
[HTC Sensation] McT1980:
Lol.. Sounds awesome:rolleyes:

Seems like t-mobile is charging extra from the "heavy" users to get some cash to make more mobile bases around to be able to maintain the speed. At least they should... More and more people use the internet this way:cool:

Still don't think the users should take this bill tho..
[HTC Sensation] :
I was being general and using layman's terms to cater to everyone. Not trying to be to technical. I didn't come here to debate the issue, just explain it. I didn't make it. Not every long stream of continuous data means your tethering, i was being vague.

Sent via Motorola Xoom Wi-Fi only tablet powered by Android 3.1 Stock Honeycomb using Tapatalk Pro
[HTC Sensation] qcefer:
if this is the case, what about those who used maybe 10 mb of data on edge before 3g even came in the picture. like i said i was on edge for about 4 years.

those who remained with t-mo for so long , even when other carriers had their 3g services available at the time, are we going to get compensated for the lack of use?
[HTC Sensation] GorillaPimp:
fat chance
[HTC Sensation] ITMedCEO:
Well let me help you to be a little Technical...

IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL THROUGH THE HARDWARE ALONE! ONLY SOFTWARE. THUS, USING YOUR OWN TETHERING APP (WHICH BY THE WAY IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DEVELOP) IS THE ANSWER FOR ALL WHO WANT TO TETHER AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THE DATA THEY ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR!!!

AND FOR THOSE OF USE WHO BUY THEIR PHONE OUTRIGHT - NO SUBSIDIES. THE HARDWARE IS OURS AND THE SOFTWARE WE CHOOSE TO PUT ON IT OURSELFS IS OURS TO USE AS WE PLEASE!
[HTC Sensation] RunNgun42:
I'm having a hard time believing you really work for Tmobile given the way you are explaining this issue. For starters, "one long stream of data" could happen just from watching any movie through the various movie apps that ship with the Sensation. As I have come to understand it, the only way carriers can "detect" tethering is really just by guesswork. If you are loading 10 different connections to 10 wholly independent websites at the same time, chances are you are tethering since this is rather difficult to achieve on a phone's web browser. Even then, the various ad banners and such could be connecting to other websites simultaneously giving the appearance of tethering.

Furthermore, what really bugs me is that you claim tethering is somehow tantamount to abuse of the network, but tell me this: How can I abuse the same 2GB of data I am given per month than the guy next to me uses on his phone? 2 gigs is 2 gigs. What difference does it make if I consume those gigs through my pc and not my phone? Either way you're going to throttle me down once I hit the cap, so what possible difference does it make how I get there? How am I burdening and overloading your network? I can stream netflix movies using the netflix app just as easily as I can download driver files repeatedly through tethering.

Anyway I'm going to assume you're just the messenger here, but honestly, paying for the privilege of plugging my phone into my pc with a usb cord is flat out absurd, and clearly nothing more than an attempt by carriers to nickel and dime their customers. What next, a tax on using the camera? A surcharge for every time the flash goes off? How about a fee damn near anything I do, even hitting the power button. I'm sure somebody in a suit has thought of it before.
[HTC Sensation] RunNgun42:
Tmobile has had a tethering plan for the last year as far as I know. But it has never been enforced. It seems as though they are a bit undecided about the whole matter. A sort of "dont ask dont tell policy" if you will. I mean they certainly have the capacity to remove the tethering apps/functionality of the phone. Other carriers do it. Yet tmobile continues to sell phones with native tethering untouched. Perhaps google had a little to weigh in on this, since part of the deal with getting the Nexus S was that the phone was to remain 100% untouched by the carriers developers. It's hard to claim a phone is 100% android if you selectively tamper and remove something like tethering.

Honestly, if tmobile embraced tethering they would advertise this as a competitive edge against their opponents. They wouldnt just keep silent about it, since free tethering would be a huge advantage to advertise about. What I really think is going on is that Tmobile simply lacks the technology to perform proper network inspection in real time. Verizon and ATT were ready to invest in deep packet inspection and such to try and determine what you're really using your data for, and tmobile being the smaller company just opted to build their network out without any bells & whistles in the infrastructure. That doesnt mean they arent investing in such technology, but this whole "look the other way" attitude towards tethering doesnt make much sense.

Anyway I'm not complaining, and have been tethering my HD2 for over a year now, and continue to do so with my sensation all free of charge. Hopefully it'll last for quite some time to come.
[HTC Sensation] RunNgun42:
I forgot to emphasize the stupidity of this part. Now it has become clear you are either lying about working for Tmo, or are simply another employee grossly ignorant of the facts and spouting whatever talking points you are trained to when discussing tethering.

1 long stream of data? In case you didnt notice, thats not really how the internet works. Right now as I type this I have about 10 open tabs in firefox on my pc. Is my pc streaming "1 long stream" of data? No. In fact, I could do this all day long, and at no point would my pc be "streaming 1 long stream of data". It doesnt matter what method or device you use to access the internet, things are sent in chunks. A webage is requested, webpage loads in pieces, webpage completes. Even if I were whoring youtube videos, eventually the videos finish.

So what exactly is this "1 long stream of data" you are talking about? Name one standard web practice that works like this. Sounds to me more like something you made up due to your own ignorance of how the internet really works. In fact, cellphones/pc's access the web in almost the exact OPPOSITE as your proposed description.

The only way ISP's/carriers can determine if you are tethering is through one of the following:

1) Embedded app phones home to carrier any time you tether through known methods

2) Deep packet inspection reads HTML headers and see's you using standard desktop web browsers.

3) Blatant excessive usage of data plan making it obvious that you are tethering.

Option 1 is easily circumvented by simply using a 3rd party tethering app, like we have been doing for years.

Option 2 is expensive and difficult for carriers, not always accurate (depends on what you are doing online), and opens a host of legal improprieties due to invasion of privacy etc etc.

And option 3 is no longer viable since they have capped data rates so low that people use this up on a regular basis.
[HTC Sensation] :
U must be really bored. I suggest some aspirin cause I'm sure u have arthritis and a headache from typing and thinking so hard.

Da hell u want me to do? Post a check stub?? LMMFAO buh bye troll.

I was stating my side. Take it or leave it. I refuse to debate with u in a forum. Good day.
[HTC Sensation] Paul22000:
Wow.

From this post it's obvious that you don't work for T-Mobile, or rather you don't for anyone at all.

With spelling and grammar like this you must be in middle school. "Da hell" -- really?

Stay in school. Please.
[HTC Sensation] Pneumatic:
I have to agree. From the first post I read from this guy I was thinking to myself... "Really?!? That's how an employee of T-Mobile talks on the XDA forums? Does he not realize that there are some pretty knowledgeable people here and that he sounds like an idiot?"

He is either:

a) Lying about working for T-Mobile.

b) Works for T-Mobile, but at such a low level he doesn't know what he's talking about.

c) Doesn't work for T-Mobile, doesn't know what he's talking about, and is posting this to simply troll the forums for a reaction.

I am betting it's "C". :)

I tethered to my laptop using my Vibrant several times per week. I used the T-Mobile connection for work when I was on the road and I never had any trouble or hassle from T-Mobile.