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[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I do have an ipad and i'm just not impressed. at all and in fact i was really hoping for something great and i got a rehash i have and will have on my mobile phone. imho its underwhelming even for apple..
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
I love this feature personally,but f**k...this isn't HP webOS synergy?Microsoft just copy them.....feel so sorry to HP,they have good OS,but always get copied by others....Playbook UI and now WP7 thread....
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I'm with you. I don't hate any of the current OSes. I own one from each leading company and find iOS4 a bit boring. If iOS5 livens up the works a bit, that can only be a good thing for people...unless those Apple-hating people just absolutely do not want to like iOS. Then it becomes being about bias and not love for mobile OSes.

You're going to find people in any of these forums who will flame others for praising or approving any OS. What I'm interested in is: a mobile OS with all of the usefulness and features of Android but created with the quality of iOS and having the glory and smoothness of WP7. That is what will wok my tok.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I have no idea what that means:D, but that blending you describe would be mobile bliss for me, too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JC_Agga:
drop down app tray? For what? Pretty much ios5 took little chunk of what other competitors have. But Mango update will bring tons of stuffs that we didn't even hear about. The one thing that i love about ios5 update is the function from Windows Mobile 6.5 where if you get a text message you can go to that message directly from the lock screen... I can't wait for Android sue Apple for having the drop down app tray~
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
In WP if you press on the toast while the screen is locked, then unlock it, you jump directly to the text.

I was really looking forward to WWDC as I thought they were going to do something special - a new UI or something. But I think this is the first time ever Apple have been playing catchup with competitors. I have no problem with copying. I'd be annoyed if I was an iPhone user and I didn't get a new notification system just because they couldn't think of an original idea. But the thing is, I have never seen Apple fail to bring something new to the table and I think that can only be a good thing for WP as it gives them loads more time to add those missing features and grab some market share

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[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
I hope you will get something to suck up to SJ.....

as all the papers (except the fruity fanboys) are saying that apple has lost the innovation edge...

some from android some from Windows Phone7..... what’s up apple...
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
What?are you serious?tons of stuffs we never hear about?????LOL

you make my day mate.

Thread (mango):already appeared in webOS synergy

Multitasking (mango): already appeared on many other platforms,imo WP7 multitasking is kinda useless,it just can remember the last 5 apps you used and you can't close app running in multitasking,what you can do is load 5more apps to wipe it off and then still there are 5 apps running.

whats more?we never see before in other platforms???tell me...these are just some examples I gave.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
so u realize you wrote worngly???? or did not read news??? what happen... oh you are in the wrong section...
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
well said they COPY AND PASTE featuers from other OS.... WM had similer notification come on...

MANGO devices will change things i agree as well, and Nokia devices will make other OEM's work harder...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'm not sure 5 apps is enough but it's certainly better than iOS's history of everything you ever opened on the phone after last reset. So in order to make the list meaningful you have to manually remove items.

Also, in WP7 you can exit apps using the Back button so they disappear from history. This looks like a simpler and more balanced solution to me.

In addition to that, Mango introduces multitasking controls, which seem to be quite useful.

As regards "never seen before", I don't know, it's mostly UI stuff. There are things that existed, but they are done differently, and often better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
He is in the right forum i reckon,but whatt he unsure is that which title fit this thread best.Personally,I understand what op trying to deliver.It is try not to be a fanboy while loving WP7,and please look around how other OSes doing?and please admit the drawbacks of WP7.

If this forum full of fanboys and no critics,M$ will think that they are doing good,this situation same goes to the community and consumer market.

moreover,please....please...if you want to value or evaluate the functionality or performance of wp7,please use its current state,don't ever mention...wait for mango...wait for mango,mango will bring heaps of stuffs.

I think a lot of people are pretty boring to stay in this forum anymore including myself,thats why I just find average of 30people are viewing this forum everyday.

Furthermore,everytime i mention a problem on my WP7,the answers I got are just 3

1)stop trolling

2)Do a hard-reset

3)wait for mango,the problems might be fixed(lol,might be???)

Teach you a way to make your wp7 looks cheap.

1)must have at least 28 pinned items in your home screen

2)Then scroll to the very bottom of your home screen

3)Now,scroll it up fast(just scroll once),then press your home button right after while the menu still moving.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
No I realised people in here are or act like teenagers who can't stand other OSes being praised for what they do well. But then I'm the fanboy! Yeah, right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
I enjoy some of your posts mate, but as soon as I saw the title of this post and even before I opened it, I knew it would go bad... and you should know that by now also.

Just let this die out, its better for all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Yeah, I did ask the mods to close the thread though :).

Should send a pm maybe...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Yah, closing a thread requires PM'ing a mod, check their list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
PM sent thanks. There's another thread to criticise Apple, I guess that's what people want...
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] wilx:
Hi, I want to plug my ipod into the USB on my dock so that I can play the music on it... from some sort of catalogue. The Music on an iPod is stored in random folders for example ipod_control\music\b0\ and the file names are random within that directory. Does anyone know of a play app that will scan an external drive for music and make it available to play in some for of interface that will group all the correct songs back into their albums? For example winamp on the PC will do this for you. I have tried winamp for android, but it does not do this

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Now I know how these tend to be contentious topics but hopefully we can avoid this.

I looked (and am still looking) over the iOS 5 features and it seemed a little lackluster to me. The iCloud is nice and the Notifications is Android but welcomed none the less. Microsoft does have Skydrive but I am trying to head to head the two cloud services to see the differences.

What do you think? Was there enough innovation in iOS 5 that gave it market separation? What does Windows Phone need (besides notifications)?

Both are due in fall. I was worried iOS would do some kind of widgets with a fresh new UI but they did not which is a win for android and wp7.

Your take?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nonione:
truthfully nothing to worry about...

next thing you know apple is gonna sue google for the notifications hahah

also is the icloud some type of paid dropbox?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freypal:
I really haven't seen much that it's adding. Still, it will sell millions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] colossus_r:
Shame on Engadget.com....

They turn to be more fans than Apple's fanboys.

The first 9 post now are for Apple and the WWDC 2011 event...

I dont remember last week to do the same whith microsoft WP7 Mango event.

Shame on you ...once again...i will stop reading that site
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Engadget have been Apple fanboys for a while now. The Microsoft keynote that was liveblogged by them was shamefully fully of sarcasm. Biased to no ends.

iCloud is free so I am not sure how it is a paid dropbox. Unless you mean the offering of paid services from the free one.

It sounds like Skydrive to me but also integrating Apple services.

I was most afraid they would really improve the look and feel of iOS but that did not happen. It reminds me of some arguments that took place on this forum about progress. It is easier to add missing features than to innovate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] colossus_r:
+1

And as i wrote in another thread

Apple is the trend and the fashion Company..not technology and inovation !!!

New new future presented today by Apple

1. They present today a camera button as a big news... OMG

2. They presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now

3. They present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.

This is Apple guys...

Dont forget 2 years a go they told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....

They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
While iCloud is basically SkyDrive + Mesh, it's important that it seems better implemented based on what I hear. It allows to back up your settings, ringtones etc., and it gives APIs to third party apps. These two things make it immensely more useful, IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Oh, and one more thing - before iCloud, Apple actually had nothing to lock users in after they started selling DRM-free music. Now they do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I would be a hater to say that the features presented are not useful, and/or desireable. But on a whole it lacked the wow factor.

Should this have been iOS 5? Or 4.7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Judging by media reaction, it has enough wow factor to last three OSes for like a year or so...
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
No surprise there, the media hates everythng Microsoft and loves everything apple so they could have showed a pile of poo and the media would still have loved it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Dont forget,microsoft told us about copy paste and multitasking last year and get it this year which android and iOS already had these in their OS ages ago.In this competition,it is all about speed.

Furthermore,in this year,iOS5 will provide over 1500+APIs to developers which is he same with mango update,however,when you add up the previous years APIs,it is over 5000APIs....

now,lets see how microsoft chase this trend...Of course,I'm not worry,but iOS and android always give us an option....
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
But Microsoft did not market it like they were the first. I was actually surprised about the humility Apple showed in the conference. I did not see any blatant jabs at anyone else (save for some PC and Windows ones in the Lion like when he said lost in windows).

I came out feeling that Android and Windows Phone could gain further marketshare by Apple not doing something really different to the UI. I was hearing the widgets rumours and the orbital UI and thought they would come out with something that would put them lightyears ahead. Instead, the race is a photofinish.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Nothing to worry about? Sounds like 2007 in here. Be honest.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I'm really disappointed in iOS5 because I expected Apple to innovate and come with new features that would push the entire mobile space forward. Instead we got stuff that has already been done on the other platforms.

That said, they did manage to make the platform much more solid, taking care of many of the complaints people have against it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rmcgraw:
Sure, but iOS has existed for much longer than WP7. It took Apple and Android over a year to add Copy/Paste, whereas it took WP7 only a few months. iOS didn't even have MMS for the longest time, whereas it came stock in WP7. A camera button still doesn't even exist on the iPhone, users have to now use the volume key. What happens when they're listening to music and want to take a picture? Which takes precedent? Great multi-tasking for ya...Oh yeah, and they still have to fumble to their camera app to even be able to take one. The WP7 Marketplace reached 10,000 and 20,000 apps in a shorter time period than the competition.

When looking over the lifetime of all three platforms, with startup at the same point in time, WP7 is expanding much quicker than iOS and Android ever did.

I know you can say "Oh, well since these things (Copy/Paste) already existed in other platforms, WP7 should have had them from the beginning."

That's not how development works. An infant OS is born, and it is updated as it is developed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
They have a point

Joe Belifore hit it on the head when he mentioned a lot of the things on ios 5 is on mango or in nodo...and its not that groundbreaking...

IMHO I'm not impressed and I use apple ipad so its not blind windows fanboyism

I really wanted to be impressed and frankly I was not
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkavat:
I hope Microsoft also impliments a notification tray of some sort in the future. WebOS and Android got it right and Apple copied it right. I haven't seen any improvements to notification system in Mango, yet. I hope they address it in Apollo.

Other than that, I am really not surprised that Apple didn't add much to the OS. I mean, once you have a good multitasking system and a good notification system, there is nothing much left to develop for an app launcher style smartphone OS. Developers can pretty much add any features that users need/want.

Smartphone OS development/update graph is very logarithmic.. it slows down considerably after 2-3 updates. Expect the same with WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Expectations were high lets admit it, and a few were expecting something grand like only Apple and Jobs know how to put out.

Putting aside comments of "Android/WebOS" already had this, and the fact Apple took advantage of little things that were developed by other apps & services, at the end of the day its a good upgrade to iOS, which only brings values to us customers.

Couple of nice features (PC Free and iCloud) but I was hoping they'd let us in on the whole Nuance deal and their voice recognition, which didn't happen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Maybe, but the important thing is that he has to resort to twitter to talk about it, and this is largely ignored by the world. So, for the general public, it won't matter whether Joe Belfiore thought ahead of Steve Jobs. And that's something Microsoft should worry about.

Me, not so much.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
A notification tray on wp7 doesn't bother me much because the apps that I care about have live tiles and are on my home screen. Notification trays would annoy me as I am constantly clearing them on my g1. I deal with the live tiles when I am ready.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Lol...look at your statements,I loled...I have nothing to say...

1)you don't know how to calculate the time frame.

2)OS development and marketing should be unified.

3)please read more news...before you taking about GROWTH.

growth in apps:do you know that over 50% of the apps are developed by M$?

growth in device sales:Do you know M$ spend million dollars for giving developer free devices???

In current state,the future of WP7 is not so good.Wait and see how they gonna chase this trend...wait for mango??and our devices are too old to adapt the environment(like iOS 4 on iphone 3g)...wait for apollo?we better save money now,because we are not rich like M$...

Now I get the feeling of first adopter of pre-matured OS...it is not good...need lot of cash
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That's my point. To us its nothing ground breaking. To the world however, IO5 is nice update. Now if the i5 has a 4" screen I'm getting it.

icloud is what skydrive should have been. The messenger is a no brainer, and the notification system is well done.

That's enough to keep customers and get more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
When I told you this is what Apple would do, you disagreed. They are doing fine, the update is just what they need, but doomsday scenarious about ever widening feature gap are way off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
icloud is what skydrive should've been

a pay for service that can only store about 1000 images...hm...I wonder

notification system well done? IMHO it looks far too cluttered - even android implementation has it better done

I mean its difficult to find anyone that is wholly impressed. The general consensus is this OS update is catch up.

BTW did you just love the keyboard rip they pulled right out of microsofts windows 8 implementation? Fun stuff there...but then again a lot was ripped from microsoft this time around

I think myself and many others, as much as we hate admitting this, find apple to cause waves of change in mobile industry. I did not see the waves...I saw imitation...which is a grand form a flattery but still no innovation on apple's front. Actually it wasn't even marketed and spun as such...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
iOS 5 contains nice updates that are wanted and needed. I have 2 points:

1. I can't help but think this could have been iOS 4.7 and not 5.

2. When this drops in fall the landscape will be very hostile.

To expand on point 2, we have Mango, and Ice Cream Sandwich coming out at the end of the year as well.

If I am MS and Google I just breathed a sigh of relief that they are not going to obliterate me in fall. Now all they need to do is dodge a possible iPhone 5 bullet...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Please post your info, unless you just hate apple this is a solid update.

http://www.insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2011/june/07/costarica11060706.htm
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
This thread is leading to no where...

Personally, i still believe in mango future. Windows Phone 7 bring in a fresh enviroment, i do love it with my HD7. Remember, i did own both iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPad...

If you say about iPhone on 2008, 2009,i would be still impressed, not about the OS, but the phone. After 5 months of using iPhone, i found it quite boring because i almost can't do a thing "outside a box".

Apple add some features in the iOS, not impressive, but some people who really don't care much about technology will still found it interesting... and again... you know what will happen...

By the way, with Nokia entering the game and Mango's new features, i think Microsoft will have a punch on Apple, not strong enough to blow Apple away, but, somehow, hurt them.

I am visiting a small town called "Ritzville" at Washington State, here, and it is quite funny when 10 people walked in Starbucks Coffee with their phone in the hand and they saw me and other 9 people who use Windows Phone were standing in the same line and waiting for their coffee...
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
are you serious!?

ugh

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-details-skydrive-integration-in-windows-phone-mangohello-icloud/

hm...

its not a solid update its a catchup update like the famed copy and paste update. It's actually dull and repetitive...apple innovates. Even I hate to admit it, but this isn't innovation especially if I'm paying for a service (icloud) I get on my windows phone for free
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Let us not bicker on if the feature(s) added were revolutionary or not.

Is iCloud useful? Yes.

Is the notification bar useful? Yes. Copied Android? Yes. Better? Don't know.

Does this give them market separation? Remember this is coming out Fall 2011. Google is saying Ice Cream Sandwich is their most ambitious Android release ever.

I think Android will gain big by this lackluster iOS release. Couple that with a new wave of WP7 phones and Mango and it could be competitive. Unless... an iPhone 5 comes out (not a 4S).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
As stated, icloud is what skydrive should be.

Compare the two and see what skydrive is missing.

http://www.apple.com/icloud/what-is.html

Get your facts right

So ugh, yeah icloud is done right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Apple hasn't had a revolutionary release since 2007. Everything after 2007 has just been icing on the cake.

Will android and WP7 catch iPhone sales this year? Doubtful.

IOS5 looks freaking awesome. IMO just from looking at the notification system, I think its better than Android. You can swipe down from anywhere, and get to your notifications. On android if I'm playing a full screen game, i can't do that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
could your fanboyism be more prideful

http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-live-vs-apple-icloud/

I like that graph and save from imagazines and books, what does it offer?

oh yes 25 bucks a year versus free
[Windows Phone 7 General] Snake.:
I just wanted to say this:

"Good artists copy, great artists steal"

That´s what it is about, and always was between Apple and Microsoft...

I personally don´t care about Apple´s devices, alright, everybody has it, so? I don´t, that´s what makes me and my WP different :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] pasp1001:
some future thoughts....

it wont be far off before this thread turns into a lame drunk duck-

but- before that here some thoughts...:p

yea, nothing spectacular( with wow effects ) this year, even by the judgments of engadget(now read them posts there very carefully) and -this is my next... Undoubtedly many features/functions are now nicely implemented(copied,borrowed,thought off, it doesnt matter to end user) in iOs...

iCloud- well, thats an interesting story...Free 5gb and after that it costs(dunno whats the price)- now, u can smell apple product- now if ur 32gb iphone which has 20gb of PERSONAL and BOUGHT zhit on it- needs to be synced with ur X,Y,Z-device or replaced by the new one, u probably will need to fork some dimes to apple again...

Ok, i get it- it aint over until the fat lady sings- but what i dont get and also

DONT LIKE AT ALL is this whole PC-FREE zhit-

and that goes for ms aswell and google and all others...

that "cloud syncing", "constantly connected in the cloud", or simply called traffic - well folks that zhit as far as i know AINT FREE.... 1 needs a quality network with big-data plans and them r usually much more expensive...

here's a simple ex-

if i shoot a 720p(or 1080p probably with next wp7 and iph5) a couple of minutes or a tad more, now thats 50-100 or more MB per minute... I wouldn't want my data to be spend on useless syncing- thats why i need my USB-MODE...

Though, i salute the options for iTUNES and ZUNE -free devices...

Now, that usb-mode broght me to the future(:p) of the os-es, and thats probably erasing the boundaries between different OS-VERSIONS...

I do hope win8 will work on dual-core 4-5inch phones, 7-10inch tablets, atom-laptops and monster-desktops...

probably that goes for next os X- too...

do ur stuff on the same eco-system, regardless of the devices, wires, connections...
[Windows Phone 7 General] colossus_r:
Yeaaa right ????

iCloud – Brought To You By Microsoft and Amazon Servers

..

This is true.... not a joke.... see more screenshots here

http://tinyurl.com/5r6f4qr

And this is not from a microsoft site or blog.... Its from infiniteapple.net an Apple lover site !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ohhh Apple ..not again !!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
^

o.O

bwahahhaaha awesome!