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[Milestone XT720 General] tharan.a:
new guy here, but i've been lurking the forums for a while. picked up a xt720 for about $150, just to play around with it. pretty excited about the possible froyo release. what do you guys think the "internal approval" depends on?
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
I can only speculate... I interpret that as Cincinnati Bell is doing some final QA, testing how to deliver it, and developing training materials for employees. I'm optimistic it's good news, though. Previously, there seemed to be indications that Cincinnati Bell was waiting for some sort of evaluation or approval from Motorola. So, if we're just waiting for "internal approval" I think that means it's cleared all the Motorola hurdles. Some posters here have claimed insider knowledge that Cincinnati Bell intends to just repackage a modified 3rd-party custom ROM without any help from Motorola. I'm not sure that is plausible simply because of the security, warranty and liability implications. So, I haven't yet given up hope that a "real" ROM is on the way. We shall see... :D
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
Honestly, that would be both pretty sad and hilarious at the same time. I'm just imagining them marketing Dexter's rom:

NEW - Decreased Haptic Feedback for better user experience!

NEW - Media Button disabled to prevent accidental launch of media gallery!

Etc...
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Hi that would be but its going in a sbf file that what I was told I also hope for unlocked bootloader will see but I think its going to be unlocked.
[Milestone XT720 General] vari9:
I can't even imangine what it would be....waitin for many months and then we get the same thing we had before!....:p
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
If that is the case, I welcome the PR disaster for Motorola Mobility. Motorola really loves to wag their fingers at the carriers for preventing them from rolling out updates. Can you imagine Motorola PR trying to explain away how a carrier would have to go behind Motorola's back to get an update to its customers? If Cincinnati Bell had to do that, yes it would be sad for us, but it would be worth the lulz to have definitive proof to slap across Motorola's mouth whenever they start whining about the evil carriers.
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
Back thanks to Mioze7ae and loving it. Love the XT720 stock look, love the haptic feedback, love the smoothness. Seems faster than our 2.2 ROMs honestly - especially when task switching (and I haven't even overclocked at all yet). I'll have to test some more though.
[Milestone XT720 General] Tavinsky:
You've come back to 2.1?!
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
Yes and I'm loving it. It seems as fast or faster than the MIUI ROM, definitely has faster/smoother task switching than our 2.2 ROMs, has working haptic feedback and media button and is really smooth all around. And SPB Shell 3D works flawlessly on 2.1 (whereas it was unusable on most 2.2 ROMs and usable but not flawless with MIUI. Worth at least doing a comparison in my opinion:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1122370
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/13/mot...ss/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Oh please, please, please... let the XT720 be one of those devices... Our carriers certainly don't seem against us on this.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Well, I don't mean to be a conspiracy theorist, but it does seem short on details and comes suspiciously soon following their latest bootloader PR gaffe--

http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-backtracks-says-photon-4g-does-not-have-unlocked-bootloader
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
Yeah, I know... I always take these things with a grain of salt - though I do like to hope. :D
[Milestone XT720 General] eSu.Matix:
Carriers = Mobile operator?

I mean, if Moto release bootloader unlock update, everyone would be able to unlock their bootloaders, or?
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
I sent Cincinnati bell Tech support an email about a month ago asking them if there was hope in a 2.2 froyo release and they replied back with a link to Dexter's v1.3. lmao. That was all they had to say and advised me it would void my warranty.
[Milestone XT720 General] c_urbanek:
Cincy Bell sent me an email invite to their new online customer support blog/forum. I checked out the XT720 posting... the moderator confirmed 2.2 would be released in July. I put an inquiry in to see if the bootloader would be unlocked as well... fingers crossed!
[Milestone XT720 General] spectacle:
Lol! A link to Dexter's 2.2 haha
[Milestone XT720 General] Enricosteph:
:rolleyes: Now we know what we get in July.....a modded Dexter 1.3 :rolleyes:

I thought we have that already....or not :confused::confused::confused:

.......and the bootloader?I don´t think so but i crossed my fingers :cool:
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
well, I don't hope so.:rolleyes:

maybe the guy that sent him the link to dexter's 1.3 didn't just know that CB was developing 2.2 for our xt720 and mentioned him the alternative ?:D
[Milestone XT720 General] Queenmantis:
does the upgrade only work for cincinnati bell customers?
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Hi I'm sure it will work on all and it will be leak.
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
Emailed CBW again and this is what I got.

Dear Rodney,

Thank you for contacting Cincinnati Bell. I am happy to assist you.

As of this time the information has not been cascaded to us yet, I have

checked on other resources but no information on the 2.2 froyo update

and the bootloader. Once we have the information i am sure we would be

informing our customers especially those who are using the Motorola

Milestone XT720.

Thank you for your input. We appreciate your having taken the time to

contact us.

Thank you for taking the time to contact Cincinnati Bell. Please feel

free to contact us to further discuss your communication needs.

Sincerely,

Mike

Your CB Online Support Representative
[Milestone XT720 General] spiderx_mm:
there's 2 issues in Dextor's 2.2 that make me go back to 2.1. first one is battery issue and another one is FM Radio volume control.

I hope CincyBell's update has ironed out these two issues. We'll be able to develop more upon that ROM.
[Milestone XT720 General] Kokumuo:
Don't get your hopes up too much. Those problems are not fixed.
[Milestone XT720 General] c_urbanek:
same old same old

My post & reply from Cincybell :mad:

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Moderator,

Can you confirm if the new 2.2 upgrade would continue to have a locked bootloader or an unlocked bootloader?

Thank you.

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c_urbanek,

Thank you for your post, but unfortunately we can not confirm any information about the upgrade at this time, except for the anticipated release date. Stay tuned on our Cincinnati Bell Facebook page and Website for more detail once we release.

Thanks!

Daisy-Community Moderator

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[Milestone XT720 General] Kokumuo:
It's going to be locked. CBW can't change anything at that level. If Moto does something then maybe but that's not happening yet.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Motorola has confirmed that bootloader to be unlocked it up to carrier to support it I believe it will be unlocked just wait for the update and will see.
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
from CB's facebook page:

hmmm so what does that mean?
[Milestone XT720 General] Kokumuo:
First off, stop the misinformation. Motorola did not say they were going to unlock all phones' bootloaders. Once they detail which phones will be being unlocked then the carriers can make the call. So until Moto supplies the required unlock procedure then there is nothing CBW can do about it. Moto might not unlock the XT720 at all we have to wait and see, but CBW can't do it without Moto. Now will CBW support unlocking the phone? I have no idea, but that's a bridge that we might not even have a chance to cross.

Edit: Also that person might be confusing unlocking with rooting.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
It could also mean that they provide limited customer support for unlocked/modified phones. For example, you can't buy Nexus S from Cincinnati Bell, but you can bring your own unlocked Nexus S. But you shouldn't expect CBW to provide extensive Nexus S support. Likewise for modded phones. That's completely reasonable. It's also part of Motorola's bootloader "compromise" that if you unlock the bootloader, you're assuming responsibility for the phone from the carrier and manufacturer.

No big surprises in either case. It does sound like a new bootloader won't be part of the July update (not that I really expected it to be). Honestly, I don't expect Motorola to ever release a bootloader update in a reasonable time frame. I expect it to ship on new phones only for a while first before anyone ever sees it. That Motorola won't even promise that it will be available as an update for its newly announced phones should give anyone pause.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Be very careful what you believe from Motorola PR, they're quite good at it. They have confirmed nothing.

Whatever the reality is, they're going to spin it as much as possible to protect the Motorola brand so that people will continue to buy Motorola phones. When you boil down their statements, they have no content. If Motorola is unwilling to make a precise enough statement that they could actually be sued over, they are not being sincere. They only ever offer just enough to calm down the angry hordes. I'm sure Motorola realizes that no matter what they do, XT720 users that are unhappy about 2.1 and the bootloader are unlikely to ever buy anything Motorola ever again.

I actually have mad respect for Cincinnati Bell no matter what they deliver. This was pure brilliant geek PR strategy. Motorola threw Cincinnati Bell under the bus. Rather than take that abuse, Cincinnati Bell decided to stand with us. The only way Motorola can save face in my book is if the July upgrade actually is a full build. Either way Cincinnati Bell is elevated to "folk hero" status in my books. If the update is not a full build Motorola will never ever get another cent from me or anyone I know for all eternity. That is their last chance, and it sounds like they've squandered it.
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
Yeah, gotta make sure when the upgrade comes through that this gets publicized by android news sources.

+1
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Frost of all I am writings on what motor said so don't say I'm misinforming I done my home work this and never said for a fact it would be unlocked so do your home work before you challenge me I do have resouuce sayingit likely to be unlocked but motor and bell have control of that.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Does anyone know what Mark's latest response on the "Will there be a FroYo (2.2) upgrade for XT720?" page means (today, an hour ago):

http://getsatisfaction.com/motorola/topics/froyo_for_xt720
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
I was wondering about that myself...

Anyways:
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Well I was wrong Cincinnati doesn't support unlocking of the bootloader well phones are going to be sold I'm done with bell and motor.THE END.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
I flashed to the UK sbf and ran Motorola's software update. It said there were no software updates for the device.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Nothing like a carrier putting out the effort to release a self-baked ROM and work around Motorola's security to really destroy Motorola's already flaky "it's the evil carriers that insist on the security and they won't allow us to make upgrades" chorus. If that's what happens, this has the makings of complete PR disaster for Motorola. I really can't believe this is happening. If I was Motorola, I would ship something, anything to avoid this narrative. If they don't... I can't imagine what they are thinking... There has to be something else we're missing...
[Milestone XT720 General] Kokumuo:
Support it or not, CBW can't unlock it unless Moto let's them. As noted earlier in the thread they do no plan on doing that. So ban CBW if you like but it's not inherently their fault.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
You are a problem you think you are always are right and you are not!
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Motorola is trying to pass the Buck knowing alot carriers don't what it done so at the they can say see we tryed but the carriers would let us do it symbian is looking real good to me right I will seeing one of the people lied to me tonight its not going to be nice for them.
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
That encouraged me to go ahead and email some Android News blogs right now. (Also partly hoping that publicizing this info now will add a little more guarantee/pressure to CBW's releasing it :p). We shall see if anyone actually does anything with that info now though.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Take everything Mark knows with a grain of salt. Motorola's kept him in the dark and fed him incorrect information before. I think Motorola's pretty dysfunctional and one hand could easily not know what the other is doing (either deliberately or through incompetence). In any case, let us know what you find out!
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
Misinformed from the beginning...

I got to say I've been misinformed about this phone since before I bought it. It's been a big let down until I found this site. Before I bought the phone I knew it was only 2.1 and was told it was getting the 2.2 upgrade. I called Motorola and supposedly confirmed it with them and made CBW confirm it before I ordered it. I got it at the end of last November. And I also seen **** like this saying it had 512mb ram http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/10/motorola-boosts-milestone-xt720-spec-to-720mhz-cpu-and-512mb-ram/

So basically I don't believe any of it til it happens. Just like our gubment, they control reality what they say goes and to hell with us lol.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Sorry I'm sorry but did not see him tonight I'm going to try pushing on the great evil and I have contacted some legal eagles I know on what to do next. PS motor the great evil. Also we need to see what happens in July and see if they delay it more.
[Milestone XT720 General] CrystalShield:
I'm sorry for asking that stupid question because English is not my first language. I'm afraid that maybe I misunderstand this news.

Is it mean XT720 will have a official 2.2 Android OS from Motorola????.

Thank you.
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
We will get nothing from Motorola.

Cincinanniti Bell, a carrier plans to release their own 2.2 update. We'll see what happens.
[Milestone XT720 General] CrystalShield:
Thank you syrenz.

A ROM from an organization, so stability is what I am expecting. :D:)
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Hi Guy I strongly recommend we start writing unlock the bootloaders on ciincinnati bell facebook page maybe thheir will get the point.
[Milestone XT720 General] newbkilla:
Talk about it:

w w w.facebook. com/areser/posts/479229463088

I posted on Cincinnati Bell's wall that information because on their specs, it said 256 mb of ram.. that was november 30th
[Milestone XT720 General] vari9:
Can someone provide me a link to india's stock rom.....I went to one of india's largest retail shop(from where I bought my xt720) first there was written android 2.1...now they have written android 2.2.....I think india has the update ..the salesman said that the update has been released!!....
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
That was confusing because people confuse RAM and flash memory. It has 512mb internal flash and 256mb RAM. http://developer.motorola.com/products/milestone-xt720/
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
**edit**

Yeah it does have the 256mb of ram and I knew it from the cbw site I researched heavy before getting the phone, even though it was free I wanted a good phone and couldn't get a clear answer on it. Hard to get clear answers comparing with all the other phones. They make it hard to figure out on purpose I suppose. But the upgrading to 2.2 lie is what made me mad. The Cinci Bell rep I talked to after said moto lied to them as well and he told me he would let me have the new samsung Vibrant for the sale price to make up for it. I almost went for it until it was after that I found this site lol. So it saved me $200. Man it would have been nice to have the 512mb of ram though. The headline was a good seller! "Motorola Milestone XT720 Gets Spec Boost to 720Mhz CPU and 512MB RAM"

ps.. I actually read too where the 720 MHz processor (TI OMAP3440) is actually a better processor than the 1ghz snapdragon, anyone know that to be true?
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Unfortunately, a lot of the android "press" seem to be morons trying make a buck by feeding crap into the adsense tabulator by paraphrasing each other in a gigantic game of telephone.
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
I did see a few places where people said the processor type was better than a lot of 1GHz ones on the market, though I'm not sure anyone specified snapdragon and I don't know if it's true.
[Milestone XT720 General] :
@hotroddy: But then again, that 720 MHz-update was only in SOME countries. Not all countries got that update. I didn't get it either here in The Netherlands and there are more countries still stuck on 550 MHz with the stock 2.1
[Milestone XT720 General] :
Snapdragon is old anyway. TI has released their dual-core processor which will make its debut in the Droid 3/Milestone 3. Also, the normal 1 GHz TI OMAP (found in the Droid/Milestone 2) beats the crap out of the Snapdragon. Hell, even the TI OMAP Defy beats the crap out of Snapdragon (in overall performance that is, not in Quadrant).
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
Yeah so just another reason to be pissed at motorola. Just no excuse for it to me. They really made a freakin mess of the xt720. It's probably the same freakin processor not sure but that's crap stickin half the people with 550mhz. Hopefully you've made it better here at xda as I have had the privilege too.
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
I don't know how accurate it is but i ran the quadrant benchmark test with the miui rom and it kicked the crap out of all of them! lol.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Want are you overclocked at.
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
I ran that the first night I flashed miui i think I was only clocked at 1000 then. I been running it at 1200 stable. I can't remember if i had it at 1000 or 1200 then but I started with miui at only 1000. I had installed the chainfire 3d too if that made a difference.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Yes chainfire makes the difference I score 1,500 on that with my floyo I made myself its clocked 1,000.
[Milestone XT720 General] eSu.Matix:
I hit 1601 with EpicStealBlue rom and fj kernal @ 1200mhz...
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
I couldn't run stable at 1200 with EpicSteelBlue I kept it at 1000 and usually scored in 3rd without chainfire 3d
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
I ran the benchmark with and without chainfire and it seemed it boosted my score by about 40 points give or take
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
I know he's lieing about his 1,600 if not post a result of it.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
this is my result overclock at 1,000
[Milestone XT720 General] easye420:
Man just get off this forum. khal scored above 1600 a long time ago with his first galaxy theme. its not impossible. and if you made a such an awesome ROM all by your self why dont you post it and share with everyone like everyone else does. and stop posting so many damn times in a row. they didnt make an edit post button for no reason. i could post a whole bunch of crap to get my post count up to. there is no need for it.

Actually he scored 1808 http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11761697&postcount=112 beat that **** mchlbenner
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
I can confirm that scores as high as 1800 are valid. As a matter of fact, I personally have scored 1600+ with a nice overclock on dexters original rom.

Also, lets be civil please.:cool:
[Milestone XT720 General] JiroPrinz8:
What does the quadrant scores mean anyway..? I was scoring 1300++ on one of Khal's roms and i'm pretty much still impressed with my eclair setup as of the moment which gets a 700++ quadrant score.. I know it's like a benchmark on how your phone's performance is, but does it translate to actual usability..?
[Milestone XT720 General] :
Don't be pissed. If there was a reason for it, then you may get pissed. But we dunno what reason there was to not ship that update worldwide.

By the way, it's as simple as Androot>>>Root>>>install Milestone Overclock

Wow, even a baby could do that.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Easye420 I will not be leaving so get over it I have to my options if you don't like it you can leave!!!!
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
Yeah as I already stated I've had the privilege to learn how from this site and it's great it is possible for others.
[Milestone XT720 General] eSu.Matix:
Wow. Sorry, but I was off for some time.

Yeah! I did lie for 1600, because I'm a lier and I just need some forum fame, that's all... -.-"

I don't need to prove you anything. Was just sharing my experiance. Such a kids...

P.S.: Any actual date about CB Froyo release? Any news?
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
It is scheduled for July.
[Milestone XT720 General] 3rdstring:
"Cincinnati Bell Hi Judd- We know all of you are anxious for the update! We're in the final stage so expect to see it in the first two weeks of July. As soon as it is released we will post it on our Facebook page and Online Community http://community.cincinnatibell.com/ for all XT720 users to see :)"

FB infos
[Milestone XT720 General] dannyfly:
wow CB is a real operator

-provide update

-show progression

Moto as a manufacture has got to LOT to learn
[Milestone XT720 General] sohrab.naushad:
Will this update help us other users from different parts of the world? *fingers crossed*
[Milestone XT720 General] try-and-error:
I think if we can´t update directly there will be very soon a nandroid image.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
Maybe not right away, but eventually.
[Milestone XT720 General] fjfalcon:
Kernel, kernel, kernel!

And unlocked bootloader! =)

WE want it.
[Milestone XT720 General] :
The only way it can help us is if they use the Froyo-kernel. That would make it easier to bring CM7 to our phone.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Very possible on the kernel but don't count on bootloader being unlocked I have four contracts at Cincinnati bell none will confirm.
[Milestone XT720 General] pavithren:
Light at the end of the tunnel?

Froyo 2.2 to be released in the next few weeks?
[Milestone XT720 General] LibertyMonger:
Looks like that Bob Flannery dude has no business owning a smart phone, makes him look really dumb lmao
[Milestone XT720 General] fjfalcon:
BTW: if CB will release 2.2 with 2.6.32 kernel and won't upload it to os.motorola.com, then someone from it's costumers will need to email them with request about kernel source for froyo.

Cause it's gpl product they must give it to you.
[Milestone XT720 General] hellmonger:
You think we will get a Kernel upgrade FJ?

I doubt it, prolly just going to release a D3x version with CB crap all over it lol.