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[Eee Pad Transformer General] magicpork:
no micro sd card is huge to me.. a 32gb model essentially costs $200 more! and I absolutely need to keyboard dock, not only for the extra battery life, two usb ports/hdmi/SD but it's so much easier to type on a real keyboard that actually fits the tablet very well

also, I can foresee one day, xoom/tf are on 3.3 and the galaxy tab stays at 3.1
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Shawn_230:
I probably shouldn't even reply to this thread anymore, but...

I don't think that's a fair statement, to compare the Transformer section with other device subforums. The Transformer has been in notoriously short supply and the supplies are still not anywhere near 100%, so I think that might have something to do with the apparent lack of a community you see.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
Personally, I think the usefulness of Swype diminishes quite rapidly once your screen gets beyond a certain size.

On my 7" Galaxy Tab, Swype was great in portrait, but less so in landscape where I'd usually just type normally. I couldn't really see it being much use at all on a 10.1" tablet.

Regard,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hauj0bb:
I looked at the Galaxy tab 10.1 pretty closely (friend got one from IO) before I decided on the TF.

The new galaxy tab is sleek and shiney, sure, but so is the TF. There are pros and cons to both.

However the number 1 deciding factor for me: I've been burned by Samsung before. I own a Captivate .. need I say more?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] newtybar:
I can totally see the appeal.

However, I want that keyboard with the extended battery and I also want an SD card slot. Say what you want, but having the option to expand memory is pretty awesome.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Canadoc:
Did you notice any light bleed on the Samsung?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] androidmonkey:
Im curious about the Samsung light bleed also. Samsung QC may be better than Asus.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] makec3rt:
Hardware-wise Asus TF is way better. All issues with software can be fix with software updates or tweaks.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Geekbabe:
I have no doubt that the screen on the new Samsung tablet is beautiful,after all that is what Samsung excels at isn't it? Heck I've got a 50 inch Samsung plasma here, I love my TF but I'm not going to get all fan girlish and dis Samsung for doing what they do best.

For me, the TF was availble when I needed it, Asus offered me a feature rich product at a very affordable price. I'm happy with my choice & look forward to seeing what other supports Asus will cme up with to enhance & refine the TF further.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Geekbabe:
Had to respond here because frankly this post smacks of entitlement, "the community" doesn't owe you or anyone else tech support and implying that you just might take your TF back to the store if we don't shape up is laughable.

Part of being an early adopter is knowing and accepting that we're going to have to do a ton of reading, intelligent searching & yes implementing some trial and error solutions as part of owning a cutting edge device. If folks can help us out & take their time to do so, it's like a gift, not a god given right because you gave Asus your money.

Just editing to add here that if I see a question I can help out with, I'm normally usually really happy to answer, partcularly when the

person doing the asking has clearly run a search & tried to help themselves.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sstephen17:
When my original Transformer order from Amazon was delayed, I was considering the Galaxy Tab. Luckily, I was able to get one at Fry's. Even luckier, it seems to be in perfect condition. No noticeable light bleed, no creakiness, no battery issues, etc. I can't say if I'm in the majority or not, but my Transformer ran perfectly out of the box.

Coming from the original iPad, I wanted to an Android tablet that was faster, cheaper, and looked just as good in terms of the screen. The Transformer had that in spades. I really like the overall speed and the HDMI out feature won raves from friends/family when I was able to show off pictures and YouTube videos on my HD tv. Asus also delivered the 3.1 update very quickly, so that has me excited about the support they will provide this product in the future.

For me personally, the price is the biggest positive for the Transformer. Although I'm not a super early adapter with technology, I do like to stay relatively up to date on my computers. In a year or so the quad-core processors will be coming out so saving $100 right off the bat, right now vs other equivalent tablets is a big deal. The price difference is magnified if you are someone who needs more space. I have the 16gb version but bought a micro SD card because now I'm putting some videos and a ton of pictures on my Transformer. I didn't think space would be a big deal for me, but now that I find myself using my Tranformer so much more than I ever did with my iPad, I can see the importance of it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] seshmaru:
Pretty much this. 99% of bloody questions asked here could have been answered by searching the same forum you are asking your questions on for more than 10 seconds.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] h00ligan:
Hoever, the loss you incur over the brand trying to upgrade is going to be more substantial. I'm not saying it's the wrong choice, he'll I'm still trying to decide myself...just saying, percent lost will be greater in a year with the tf than the iPad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hauj0bb:
no, I didnt. I don't have any light bleed on my TF either.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fatboynotsoslim:
After finding out that all my media (720p/1080p mkv) files need to be transcoded for the TF, but just play on a Samsung device, I've contemplated returning my TF. That said, the keyboard is a greater PRO for the TF, so I'm really at a loss here.

Why oh Why won't you just pay for the codecs so we can play our media Asus!!?!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ls3mach:
You attacked a guys review with false information and now you are butt-hurt for people calling you out? Geeze.

Nice comparison. I rather like my Transformer. I am not at all a Samsung fan. I bought 2 Epics when they came out. I, smartly I might add, took mine back. My uncle liked the one I got him and kept it. He really wishes he would have gotten an EVO now. We got the Epics at launch day and after 2 weeks I took mine back and started back with my EVO. Hardware issues seem to be blatant on Samsung products. I don't care for their over saturated screens. They also seem to always fetch a premium and be lacking features that cheaper devices have. Glad you enjoy yours.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hagba:
Thanks,could be the same,since Samsung was the first who introduced it on the original Omnia.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Shawn_230:
You highlight my point perfectly, genius.

It's been like 48 hours since I made that error, why do you feel the need to voice your views when the matter is already in the past?

This is precisely what I was getting at. My error was pointed out to me by more than one person, I admitted I was wrong... now what purpose does your little two cents have so long after the fact? I moved on and let this thread get back on topic, but now you had to come and drudge up this useless discussion.

Bravo... really, bra-vo my friend. You win at the internet.

Again though, I need to defend my original post. Just go to the subforum that this review is posted in, just look at how many butthurt replies there are... there's people who have gotten their Transformers but won't even open them because they feel butthurt because they read the negative stuff other people post about the Transformer, a considerable amount of which is uneducated and baseless moaning. Heck, in this very thread someone brought up the fact that their question re. rooting was not answered as a point against Asus and the Transformer... and I'm the bad guy for taking the specs right off Samsung's site. Okay.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hagba:
You have a good point there,since on a big OSK the finger travel will consume too much time.

I think I will go ahead and order the TF tomorrow,the lack of SD card and the HDMI are enough reasons for me to discard the SGT,besides I own an Asus EEEpc 1000H netbook since over 5 years now,both the quality and support were very good,I kept on recieving updates for over 3 yeras ,so much so that,even the Windows 7 drivers were provided on their support website in case you wanted to switch from WINXP.

However I think that the SGT is a good or a better alternative (slimmer) for those who dont care about the above TF's extra options.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ThaiM:
I don't care if the Samsung Galaxy Tab (or any devices for that matter) can give me a blowjob - no MicroSD and no HDMI = major apple-like fail.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sackofnoise:
^^X2

ten chars

EDIT: also been burned by samsu*k before...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] racedog:
Hmmm, interesting response. No, I don't feel entitled at all. Search? Yes, I have searched and I have read through quite a few threads looking for someone with the same issue I ran into and didn't find that, hence my questions. I never said, nor implied, that anyone owed me an answer, my point was that usually within these kinds of device specific communities there have always been those willing and able to help. In some device forums here at xda I have been of service to others, in some I have been the one needing help.

Please point out where I said anything was a "god given right" or a "gift"? I merely pointed out that I had asked a couple of questions and received no response to one of them and a snide comment on the other. I'm not really interested in a flame fest because it serves no purpose. But, I did want to respond because I feel that I was mis-interpreted, if my fault then I apologize for my poor choice of words. We can just leave it at that.

R
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Geekbabe:
Sorry but when you point out in detail 2 threads you posted that you weren't given the kind of help you wanted and that you were thinking of returning your TF due to the lack of support from others in this community

you IMHO came off as very entitled.

You paid Asus for your device, they are the folks who owe you tech support, if you get additional support from others here, that's total gravy. Deciding to buy or not buy a device based on how much free help you might be able to get from others isn't a wise move IMHO.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wackadroid:
I have a 48 gig android 3.1 tablet with built in remote desktop apps. There is no better Android Tab fornthendollar right now. The Tab is only thinner....that's it. The TF isn't big to begin with so its negligible.

399+50= $449
[Eee Pad Transformer General] krighton:
you're pretty lucky walking into a best buy and grabbing one, seeing as how they're still on preorder.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Ravynmagi:
It's not just the thinner. And I don't think the thinness is even anything special. The Transformer tapers quite a bit around the edges and is probably about as thing as the Galaxy Tab 10.1 where your hand is gripping anyway.

Buuuuuut... I think there are some other more important things the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is doing well.

It is over 100 grams lighter. These small weight differences don't seem like much really feels like a big deal when holding the tablet a while. The Xoom is only 50 grams heavier than the Transformer, but the Transformer almost feels like a feather compared to the Xoom. I haven't held a GT 10.1, but I suspect that 100+ gram difference is going to be very notable when holding for longer periods one handed.

The edges are rounded. The Transformer went with cornered edges, I imagine so it looks more netbook like with it's keyboard dock. In landscape it's not too bad, the edges are a bit angled on the Transformer, so okay comfortable. Holding in portrait sucks though with the 90 degree cornered edges. Galaxy Tab 10.1 has rounded edges all around. Looks comfortable regardless how I'm holding it. And I use portrait a lot while reading, it's more comfortable one handed.

The speakers are much better on the Galaxy Tab 10.1. The are louder and they sound better. I've had two Transformers and both have had the balance significantly off towards the right. Sounds like a common issue. The speakers are weak and the position not so good.

The Galaxy Tab 10.1 design is superior as a tablet. The Transformer made some concessions with cornered edges and extra wide bezel so it can transformer into a netbook easier.

So now I'm trying to figure out how much I would value the Transformer as an Android netbook. Or do I just want a pure tablet experience?

And the price and lack of micro SD, two things that go hand in hand for me, complicates it further. I don't think 16GB is going to be enough for me. I use some cloud services, but there are things I want to keep on the tablet. With my Transformer I feel comfortable spending $400 on the 16GB model and using a 16GB SD card. With the Galaxy Tab 10.1 I think I'd need to spend $600 on the 32GB model. Since I already own a 16GB micro SD not being used, it's pretty much $200.

Ugh. I like the pure tablet experience of the Galaxy Tab 10.1. But I could buy the Transformer and keyboard dock and still have spent less money and have a tablet AND netbook. Though it sounds like people complain a lot about the dock being laggy (soft and hard keyboard input seems pretty bad sometimes) and the keyboard draining lots of battery life. So the Android netbook experience doesn't sound good right now.

I'm starting to ramble. Clearly I haven't made up my mind. I love both tablets. I got about 5 days to decide if I'm keeping the Transformer or returning it for a Galaxy Tab 10.1.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mobileraven:
They went on sale at the Union Square Best Buy in NYC on June 8

**I had a link to post but i am to new to the forum to link :p **
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ThaiM:
I'm sportin' 96 gigs. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bob Smith42:
I saw a galaxy 10.1 from someone that went to Google IO. It was running 3.0.1 which was disappointing because my TF is now 3.1. But the design was nice for a tablet. I absolutely love the keyboard on my TF for work and browsing, and switch to tablet for reading books. The battery life of the TF with dock is amazing. Good luck with your decision. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bob Smith42:
Just plug a 1TB USB hard drive into the USB port on the TF dock/keyboard. Hehehe. ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jonsingh12:
main reason why people purchase the transformer is becaue of the fact that it can easily conveert into a laptop, that is really is big point and its battery life. I dislike the fact that there is light bleed, but hey its some small flaws i gain a lot more with the dock than i will with any other honeycomb tablet since they are all the same hardware really some have better screens but processor memory all the same build quality different, i'd love the build quality of the acer iconica with the transformer but this is good, its pro is its half metal dock. Built well and sturdy.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Fyahstarter:
Wow! I must have hit a sore spot for some. The most that I can tell you as I type this sitting in Union Square tethered to my rooted Evo is that the SGT is one nice piece of hardware. No force closes at all. Light as hell and doing what I expect of it. I wanted very badly to love the TF, but simply put...Asus didn't bring their A game. Too many FCs, super low audio in addition to screen separation. I'll live without the microsD slot and wasn't interested in the dock. I have my Mac for all that.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] texraid:
Sorry it didn't work out for you, but it gets an A from a lot us for sure. I got my Transformer almost a month ago and have been loving it from day one. Running a custom rom and overclocked, just fixed the low audio (left speaker) issue on mine and I never get force closes at all. Could it be better, of course.. everything can be better, but so far from me it gets an A for sure.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Fyahstarter:
Thanks a lot, bro. As long as we're all happy with our purchases in the end.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Thremix:
I'm sorry but with volume+ will fix the audio 10 fold...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
I wish the mods would start banning overly sensitive people. The OP is neither a rant nor a troll. Grow up folks.

Thanks for the thread OP, I'm thinking about selling my TF and picking up a TAB, the TF is a little heavy and awkward at times.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] h00ligan:
My assertion would have to be that the tf gets a c+ as a tablet and a c- as a netbook. I was hoping for 2b+ but realize I may have to wait and my expectations were probably too high.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ThaiM:
Take away USB, HDMI and MicroSD support and of course you'll get a lighter product. I hear the Dell Streak is even lighter than the TAB.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Underwater Mike:
I second this. Swype is great on a phone, but trying to use that style of input on my TF is driving me nuts. My hand covers part of the keyboard to which I'm trying to move -- versus only my finger on a phone -- and I wind up hitting letters I never intended. Aside from the lack of tactile feedback, I actually prefer regular typing on the TF screen. Much faster and more accurate for me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] grainysand:
My Nexus One is way lighter than the Tab 10.1. Take that, Samsung.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ttav:
I gave you a thanks for making me laugh:)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] starplaya93:
Other than the slightly better screen and (arguably) form factor what does the 10.1 offer that the tf doesn't? I can think of at least five things on the top of my head the tf offers though, that the galaxy tab doesn't... Strange world that we live in.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Shawn_230:
In terms of hardware, that seems to be it.

In terms of software, who knows, not enough people have them yet. What we know is that the software on the Asus does have some room for improvement, so maybe Samsung has remedied most of those or maybe they have not.

For instance, apparently the Galaxy Tabs are much better at playing HD video. It kind of sucks that the Tegra 2 has trouble with some HD stuff on Honeycomb.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
The widget's included for the update are much better than Asus's offerings.

Their notification bar quick access/quick view apps are also a welcome addition to honeycombs wasted space.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Shawn_230:
Dude you can get so many widgets and toggle buttons and whatnot... that is like the whole point of Android.

While it's nice that with the Samsung you don't have to search for good ones, it's still not like some huge glaring error on Asus' part. If the Transformer had more widgets then people would complain that it's not a pure Google experience device.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
Q:"why is the software A better than B?"

A:"cause the software A has x,y,z and B doesn't"

A: "doesnt count cause you can get a,b,c!"

I'm done trying to have conversations on this forum.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Shawn_230:
Okay. I'll try not to cry about it.

By software fix I meant things the consumer can't remedy themselves, like bugs and errors and oversights.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] akarol:
I might be making the same switch soon! =/ The dock option is nice, but that's what my laptop is for. I want a tablet to be used as a tablet, and the GT is a much better tablet than the TF is.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 4dthinker:
There is something to be said for these tablets being more of a thin slab. I'd prefer they were 1/4" thick instead of 3/8", and with transparent titanium screens instead of gorilla glass. Of course you run out of room for standard ports when that thin. With the cloud becoming the miracle cure for all things we should eventually not need any kind of a cable to attach to these things. Wireless syncing, inductive charging, internet/wifi streaming, and so on. At some point they'll reach the thinnest possible dimension and that will become the commodity standard. The price for one will settle at $199, and every house will have one on every horizontal surface.

Until then give me something like a Transformer that still works with my "old" technology. ;)

4D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ttav:
Then you get the old school....substance is worth. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ThaiM:
You mean the GT is lighter. That's about it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Fyahstarter:
If your TF is stable and your hardware issues are at a mere minimum then the GT doesn't have much on the TF. Wasn't my personal case, but...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Fyahstarter:
I think you have to try both to really understand the differences. I think sometimes we tend to be spec driven.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Paradaz:
I'm a fan of technology so I keep my eyes peeled for things such as the Galaxy 10.1, but like others have said for what the tablet is really designed for the lack of SD is a major downer for me - and enough to make me think that perhaps the Galaxy is not for me because if the storage limit is reached then it becomes a major nuiscance.

A few quick questions.....could have been in a new or existing thread but the point I'm relating to has already been raised in here.......

I have a rooted/modded HTC Desire so am obviously familiar with Sense UI but in terms of the TF'er what is Asus's custom UI actually offering? The reason I ask is because I switched to launcher pro quite early on as it seemed to make the Tf much more responsive and eradicated the typing lag....now am I getting confused here or is the custom ui controlling the long touch on the home screen (the 5 homescreens, widget and wallpaper displays etc) and the screen animations?...or is this just standard Honeycombe at work?

As soon as I moved to launcherpro, the screen animations became much more responsive and they don't lag at all...this was before the 3.1 update too which made it even better.

For anyone who has the Galaxy, what are the major differences in the custom UI...what is the Galaxy doing differently?...and is it any better than the TF in your opinion? I guess I'm really trying to guage whether the Galaxy is worth looking into at all even though I'm perfectly happy with the TF'er at the moment.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Fyahstarter:
In an attempt to be unbiased I can say that my GT is not super responsive. In fact, neither the TF or GT come close to the smoothness of even the first Ipad. Still, my TF that I exchanged for the GT was straight up awful. It could have been a lemon, but by and large, the GT has been a significantly more pleasureable experience.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Fyahstarter:
By the way, there is no custom UI. GT is straight stock. Only the camera was revamped.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anotherhawkeye:
I returned transformer mainly because it was unstable. I needed to restart it almost every day because the screen would become unresponsive. Of course, there were FCs too. Hope 10.1 would be better than TF in that category. From reading the comments, it seems that way. May be I'll buy 10.1 in costco and test drive for a moth.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] h00ligan:
Ufortunately this is something else that hs now come up. The screen just, stops..and so does the keyboard (different times) requiring a reboot. In 3 hrs of use today I had to reboot 3 times. :/
[General Questions and Answers] widgg:
Did anyone manage to put GLSL in a live wallpaper ?

I found a piece of code for the OpenGL part, but I misses a function called "setEGLContextClientVersion".
[Thunderbolt General] want a droid:
Just a poll for the f_ck of it. A lot of people have been having problems sending/receiving MMS on the GB Radio. I don't think it's Rom related because I haven't been able to get it to work on either Gingeritis or Das Bamf 2.0.

So vote in the poll and reply if you want. If you reply just say what works for you (if anything) and what you're running (rom/kernel).