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[HTC EVO 3D] kawaski47:
Bigger screen, SAMOLED+ display, easily rooted, bigger dev support and community than mopho, SAMOLED+ display, TouchWiz > ninjablur, better/faster processor, looks sexy as hell, camera is awesome(just check out the picture thread in the SGS2 forum), oh and did I mention SAMOLED+ display? ;-).

It's all up to you though. The mopho might still have better radios, and speakers (only time will tell) but i had the mopho personally for a bit and while I loved the quality of the phone(ie: speaker quality, radio strength) I just couldn't stand the screen.

I'm either going for the SGS2 or galaxy note. Granted we might not see the note for a while...
[HTC EVO 3D] kawaski47:
This picture was pulled from the SGS2 forum. Gorgeous
[HTC EVO 3D] Carbon Trooper:
That's exactly my thoughts! I love this phone man, but I can't stand the PenTile :( thanks for the help, hopefully i'll get a gs2 without any defects.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Hahaha +1

sent from anything but an iPhone
[HTC EVO 3D] donatom3:
I'll trust Toast that we're ok.
[HTC EVO 3D] iSaint:
You guys know the photon's bootloader is unlocked right ?

http://m.androidcentral.com/motorola-photon-4g-has-unlocked-bootloader-sports-gorilla-glass
[HTC EVO 3D] donatom3:
Hmm so Moto encrypts bootloaders everywhere else but Sprint. Makes you think that it's the carriers forcing them to encrypt and not themselves.
[HTC EVO 3D] Bukem75:
Since you are making the claim, do you know for certain that Moto is continuing to lock their bootloaders?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/motorola-promises-unlocked-bootloaders-for-future-android-phones/
[HTC EVO 3D] novanosis85:
Or they began unlocking starting with the xoom. But if the bionic cones locked we will know for sure.
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
Thanks, I didn't see that. Very surprising with their e-fuze and encrypted bootloaders on many of their devices. Another thing to consider is that the processor in the 3D is actually designed to run at 1.5ghz. Might mean a good amount of headroom for overclocking as opposed to the 1ghz Tegra 2. My biggest concern really is developer support, I would hate to get the Moto and have the community not be there for it. Many very good developers have already said they'd be going to the 3D.
[HTC EVO 3D] Bukem75:
International GSM is the only draw for me.
[HTC EVO 3D] nubsors:
That's definitely awesome news. I was by no means trying to mis-inform people. I was simply going off my experience and what I have been reading. I actually sent an email to Motorola asking for an official response to whether or not the bootloader would be encrypted. Hopefully they will get back to me.
[HTC EVO 3D] chewbz:
Wow this is a toss up, motor doesn't have a locked down bootloader @.@ wow. That's tough, coming from a nexus user I dislike blurr and sense so software wise its even. As for dev support I believe it will get some, people say the nexus s has little support but we have Trinity/netarchy kernels, cm7, aosp based roms and cm7 based roms. So I believe it would get some kind of support but not like the evo 3d. I'm sure some of us are flashing freaks lol. IMO I would pick up the photon because simply it is smaller and I can't fit an evo in my skinny jeans! Lolz

Sent from my Sexy Nexy 4 GIZZLE!
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
I wasn't trying to mis-inform either, I just assumed considering Motos recent history. I've been looking around for benches and everything I've found says that the MSM8660 in the 3D is faster across the board than the Tegra 2. Definitely a tough decision and I'm sure both will be great phones. I can't tell you how happy I am that the culture at Sprint is changing, I was so sick of seeing all the best phones going to other carriers. Starting with the EVO 4G (you could even say starting with the Hero) they got back into the game.
[HTC EVO 3D] iSaint:
Yea now its not only between GS2 and E3D ... now i have to add the Photon to that :rolleyes:

I Guess more options are better
[HTC EVO 3D] DataDork:
well, why does it make such a big difference between internal storage when Xd now comes up to 64gig ?

If i can wait, i wont buy either of them lol. , My evo 4g has been solid to me.

but, if i get the itch when seeing the evo 3d in person, then its over.

if its true, 1.5ghz design, down clocked to 1.2 and the dev community is behind it, then its a no brain'er for me. from now on, i will buy a phone that has a major hack comm behind it.
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
GS2 does look like a beast of a phone, I just hate Samsung. It is great have so many to choose from and I can definitely see in the coming month a healthy dose of trash talk between each phones respective owners.

Think I'll be sticking with the 3D. Biggest reason, it's coming out first.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Another thing I believe the E3D fails on is the location of the ports. The Photon has the ports in the right location so you can charge and do hdmi while it's on the kickstand.

I travel often and like to take my phone with me. I hate buying a cheap Nokia phone and rather have something with more zing.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Not that surprising really. Moto said earlier that all devices will have the unlockable bootloader found on the Xoom starting by the end of year. At least as long as the carrier will allow it. So from then on, if a Moto phone is locked its b/c the carrier made it so.

That put lil more pressure on HTC to change their locked bootloader on the Evo3D also. Would look bad if they locked phones now when Moto is starting to go other direction.
[HTC EVO 3D] hdad2:
Unlocked bootloader from moto?

Holy crap. Can a custom rom offer free laptop docking? Wow.

But will it have any developer following? We may need all devs to declare their allegiance to be sure of the better choice. The 'devs come say hi' thread was started before there were other choices.
[HTC EVO 3D] greg.dassing:
This. That is all.
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
It is good to see. I don't know the numbers but I think it's safe to say that the hacker/modder community is a very small fraction of all Android owners. I don't know that locking stuff up would have a significant negative effect on their revenues and locking does carry positive benefits for them. Seems that toward the end of last year to early this year they were all moving toward locking everything tight. All of a sudden they all started going in the other direction. Very good news indeed, competition is a wonderful thing.
[HTC EVO 3D] freeza:
The Photon is looking like a fantastic phone. World phone capabilities, unlocked bootloader, damn....
[HTC EVO 3D] Riff76:
Performance wise, Moto will probably be better. + 1 if unlocked. + 10 for an atrix like dock.

I read on Giz not too long ago that a manufacturer was planning to make docks connectable by bluetooth for all android phones, provided they have the hardware for it.

I'm still going HTC because I like Sense and when I get tired of if I know there will be CM7 available for it. Plus who wants to keep waiting? Going past June 4th is torture enough already.
[HTC EVO 3D] hdad2:
I guarantee they don't release the photon till July 25th. At least 31 days
[HTC EVO 3D] Riff76:
SGSII going to have 32GB internal memory, E3D only has 8.
[HTC EVO 3D] iSaint:
Yea Sprint is releasing some AWESOME phones ... wonder why they never did this ...

1. GS2

2. E3D

3. Photon

....All unlocked and ready to go ! its orgasmic
[HTC EVO 3D] greg.dassing:
Which is why the iPhone is such crap! It wasn't until Android took such a significant market share that Apple was forced to improve the iPhone...but because the iPhone has no direct hardware competitor it can continue to put out the same lame proprietary hardware and locked down, proprietary OS...
[HTC EVO 3D] iSaint:
It's their marketing i bet you they could name it "iRetarded" and use 10 year old specs and sales would still go up...
[HTC EVO 3D] greg.dassing:
I'm extremely happy that Sprint has changed their culture and are truly aiming to satisfy their customers not just with service but by bringing to the table an arsenal of bad ass devices and making them easier to root and customize. At the end of the day, carriers don't make a lot of money on the devices themselves...its the service and the people the devices bring in that they make a killing off of! Better, badder devices = more customers = more service = MORE $$$!!
[HTC EVO 3D] greg.dassing:
Sad but true...too many sheep out there...the iPhone completes their ensemble! Hahaha!
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
I just hope they don't try and charge what AT&T is charging for the dock, currently at $299. You could buy a decent netbook for around that much, I think $199 would be more appropriate and maybe a combo phone and dock for $299.

Toast already said he'd be working on CM support for the 3D which is good news. I think the 3D will get better support overall and I agree, I don't want to wait another month or 2.

Actually, I was thinking sometime in Aug, right around the time they released the Epic last year but that might be when they release the GS2. You might be right June for EVO 3D, July for Photon, and Aug for GS2.
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
I don't think there's any arguing that the EVO 4G was the biggest reason for that. They laid it all on the table for that phone and their "first" ad campaign and it paid off with their first net increase in post-paid subscribers in several years. They really need to put themselves in a good position to compete in case that T-Mobile buyout goes through.

Some people just prefer all show and no go. Many are more concerned with simplicity and aesthetics, those are iPhone customers. It's a good device, attractive and easy to use, just not the device for me. I like to use the analogy of a car. The iPhone is a tricked out car with neon, graphics, a spoiler, and a Prius motor. Android is a Nissan GT-R.

Here's a bench of the Pyramid vs the Tegra 2

http://phandroid.com/2011/03/16/benchmark-shows-htc-pyramids-dual-core-snapdragon-cant-best-tegra-2/

Tegra 2 wins by a bunch. They even say that there's no way of telling how accurate the results are considering it is an early version of the Pyramid, just concerns me a bit that the Photon might be the better choice.
[HTC EVO 3D] munsterrr:
This is a bad thing to me. WHERE ARE ALL THE DEVS GONNA GO!?!?!?! The dev community is more important than the phone itself dammit! I must feed my flashing addiction lol
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
Hopefully it will help pull more developers from the other carriers and we'll have plenty to go around.
[HTC EVO 3D] iSaint:
YES!

They will see the changes sprint is making to it's phones and realize that it's the place to be but i've decided it's got to be the E3D for me... it has a nice Dev community behind it and it's coming out in about a week...
[HTC EVO 3D] tiffanydawnn:
Looking at the pics of the Photon, the ports are on the bottom when the kickstand is in use. Bad design, Moto.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/sprint-motorola-photon-4g-hands-on/#4206859
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
That's just because they're expecting you to buy their multi-media dock and do HDMI out from that.
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...able Bootloader – What Does That Mean Though?

So much for an unlocked bootloader. MOTO #FAIL
[HTC EVO 3D] Philosophy757:
Slashgear says that it will be unlocked.....

http://www.slashgear.com/motorola-photon-4g-will-have-unlocked-bootloader-09158433/
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
That does add a bit of uncertainty to the discussion. Unfortunately the author didn't ask about it being encrypted. At this point it just means that it might be similar to the original Droid or EVO and be easily bypassed.
[HTC EVO 3D] noblerinthemind:
Nope - been updated:

Motorola PHOTON 4G Will Have Unlocked Bootloader [Updated: False]

http://www.slashgear.com/motorola-photon-4g-will-have-unlocked-bootloader-09158433/

Back to pining for the 3D...
[HTC EVO 3D] KingKuba13:
I think you have that reversed.

Sensation/Evo3d are both turds compared to the rest of dual cores.

Quadrant/smartbench/sunspider/browsermark...........where is snapdragon superior?
[HTC EVO 3D] firmbiz94:
benchmark groupie ..you know nothing
[HTC EVO 3D] dkotoric:
U cant do any benchmark comparisons from a gs2 and e3d, cause resolution has a big affect on the score, do a e3d and atrix bench mark comparison, really what we need is two phones with same resolution running the same rom like cm7 and then run the test

I can get a 5000 quadrant scores on my nexus but that doesnt mean its faster then any of these phones

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
+1

sent from anything but an iPhone
[HTC EVO 3D] chewbz:
Sprint is so awesome, I switched from Verizon a month ago and not looking back. The amount of quality root'able phones is crazy, evo, nexus, photon, evolution 3d, the list goes on and on. I'm actually proud in the carrrier I have unlike when I had Verizon.... anywho hopefully we get the nexus 3 <3.

Sent from my Sexy Nexy 4 GIZZLE!
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
I am very happy with them as well, and I've never said that about a wireless company. I've been with them for 9 1/2 years and for a very long time they were beyond horrible. The last few years they've really stepped it up in customer service and made sure their pricing was always better than the others. The whole AT&T-T-Mobile thing might actually be a bit of a blessing in the long run as I feel a lot of T-Mobile customers will end up looking for a new carrier before too long.
[HTC EVO 3D] Meanee:
Remember good old days, where you get to talk to "Claire" when you call, and if you want to talk to ACTUAL rep, it was $3 charge?
[HTC EVO 3D] ausch30:
LOL, I couldn't tell you how many times I screamed into the phone telling them to "let me talk to someone who speaks English!". Oh the good old days.
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
+2

GPU benchmarks are the only ones that i take somewhat seriously (because they actually corespond to how well you will run games), which happens to be where Snapdragon pwns Tegra 2.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4416/...8x60-phones-htc-sensation-4g-and-htc-evo-3d/2
[HTC EVO 3D] jagox5:
My question is which of these two have better camera?
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
Pretty much the same, samsung is known for better cameras, you should wait for the within if u want camera. Im getting evo 3d + within (will sell evo 3d when within comes out.)
[HTC EVO 3D] treckin:
I haven't checked that Rom out but if its true to its name, why would you forgo 3.0 or 3.1 on the 3D for 2.3.3 ??
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
because 3.0 and 3.1 are honeycomb which is tablet only
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
Lol research please i swear i wanna,ban that crap from being used and better due to bm testing???

Do people read into these,things not to be a di-k but if that why you buy phones go for it i realized bm tests mean crap ...
[HTC EVO 3D] :
The 4th picture in the second row looks like the ports would be facing up. It looks confusing. I hope the kickstand base is even. Maybe someone can tear the phone apart and install the kickstand the other way around. That would be awesome.

Edit: I see it now.

By the way I like how the front of the phone doesn't have the Sprint logo.
[HTC EVO 3D] jessejames111981:
Photon vs 3d? Moto hates its customers. End of argument. Go back to debating 3d vs within/sg2. The photon is ugly, motoblur sucks. With no intention to unlock it you are stuck with it. Atleast with sense vs touchwiz you have a choice of cm7.
[HTC EVO 3D] nubsors:
Looks like my initial thoughts were accurate. Interesting how quickly people want to come in and say how wrong I am when they themselves don't really have proof.
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
I mean proof is moto response to the thousands requesting writing calling and emailing them with no response at all.

i don't think after the rumor they will "unlock" years end would change do to a sprint moto collaboration.

idk i wont say you are wrong when i attacked HTC about the 3d i didn't think thousands would join and they change there policy.

moto is different though i hope they do.

I'm not one for phone vs phone stuff everyone has preference and in the long run buy what they feel is best ..

But every few months a better one comes so ..
[HTC EVO 3D] meatgel:
I think that the fact that many of the Motorola phones have issues with apps in the Market is very telling. Also, didn't the CEO just blame Moto-phone problems on apps that customers download?

My sister just got the Droid X2 on Verizon and she's had a lot of issues. I told her to stick with HTC. She has regrets.
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
Funny how this thread was on fiyah yesterday, then the news of the bootloader and its *crickets*

LMAO!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] jessejames111981:
xda = android development

motor = anti development

I'm sure the photon will do good. Its biggest advantage will be being released before the Samsung Within. Althou I really feel It'd be in the best intrest for Samsung to get thier phone out in the US ASAP so people stop using thier upgrades on other dual cores and use it on thier dual core.

Personally I've waited the past 6 months for a sprint dual core phone. Why wait any longer
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
And not to be off topic but isn't sgs and sgs2 having a boat load if Gps issues still i just helped someone on xda fb about it its crazy when you research those two how many issues go unfixed
[HTC EVO 3D] nubsors:
My Epic 4G has no GPS issues.
[HTC EVO 3D] KingKuba13:
How is snapdragon superior?

Go to the SGS2 section and they'll laugh at you.

Seriously, take your blinkers off.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Sgs2 is having radio/signal problems

And faulty screens

Random fanboys and nublets just listen to what other people say (bias reviews/benchmarks) and repeat the **** out of it with no research into why It's better or worse..

BTW Motorola's best phone ever produced = RAZR

/thread

sent from anything but an iPhone
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
LOL, let me ask you how isn't it? Have you compared both phones in your hands?? Has anyone?? Nope, because neither is available right now, so its all just he say/she say. Noone has touched a single E3D other than a preproduction model.

And who cares what someone says in a SGS2 forum. Its just a bunch of people who don't really know technology, but they can repeat over and over what they have seen or heard from the internet.
[HTC EVO 3D] nubsors:
More confusion?

I just received this email response from Motorola!
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
congrats. Shall someone talk to sprint chat reps and see what inncorrect info they give and say its valid too?

Just sayin at this point ill take the global PR rep of moto's word over what you get from general support via email.
[HTC EVO 3D] nubsors:
Have you actually read what the global PR rep said? It is really easy to interpret what he said in a different way.
[HTC EVO 3D] codito:
If you are completely illiterate or looking for another meaning possibly, but it's very clear what he's trying to say.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
WTF are you talking about? Seems pretty black and white there:

"As we've previously communicated, it is our intention to include the unlockable/relockable bootloader in software releases starting in late 2011, where operator and channel partners will allow it. However, this feature is not included in the software found on PHOTON 4G."

Less your trying to dig deep and say its not going to have the relockable bootloader and rather just have one that is unlocked or not encrypted? If so that would be a complete first for Moto as their bootloaders have been the Xoom type(relockable) or the full lock down.
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
How well try strapping a qhd and sense 3.0 on there and ofcourse sgs2 fanboys will you all are blinded by crap wiz and all its glory lol we will.see but bm tests stop.please the adreno 220 out performs the mali400 but why is the sgs2 faster well it has a.stripped down crap ui lower pixels and a screwed up GPS to boot lol

ased on a research done by Qualcomm using an average of Industry benchmarks composed of Neocore, GLBenchmark, 3DMM and Nenamark, they claim that Adreno 220 GPU in Qualcomm’s dual-core Snapdragon MSM8660 offers twice the performance of the GPU in other leading dual-core ARM9-based chips. Also, a team known as Anandtech has done several tests on Adreno 220 GPU. One of them was the GLBenchmark 2.0, which records the performance of OpenGL ES 2.0 compatible devices such as Mali™-400 MP using two long suites that include a combination of different effects such as direct lighting, bump, environment, radiance mapping, soft shadows, texture based on the use of vertex shader, deferred multi-pass rendering, texture noise, etc. and the test showed that Adreno 220 GPU was 2.2 times faster than the other existing devices such as Mali-400 MP GPU.

Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/di...00mp-gpu-and-vs-adreno-220-gpu/#ixzz1OvTlmj2A
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
And for me I don't want an imitation iPhone. The ui is not even close to what I like on the sgs2. Plus I have a feeling its gonna come with a physical keyboard which isn't even an option. HTC for me all day. Plus slap cm7 on it and its the best thing available this year.
[HTC EVO 3D] rdcrds:
I do have a moto rep as a friend and he claims it will be ok the boot loader.

As far as the phone goes i think it looks great and i may try it out i like the look better then the evo 3d
[HTC EVO 3D] Razgriz:
Have no need for the international capabilities. 3D all the way.
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
3freakinD allday .......................
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
You're referring to a phone that hasn't even been announced yet (it's only rumored). And the GPS crap is getting old, I've had a Samsung Epic for 8 months now, and I have not had a single problem with GPS (aside from leaked builds). I know you're targeting the those blinded by Benchmark results, but there's no need to diss Samsung phones (they're awesome.) and personally I like Touchwiz.
[HTC EVO 3D] AyoJake:
if anyone wants to rep my sig feel free...

also im getting the 3d.

i have had 3 samsung phones and all of them were ****.
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
Understable my issues are not with Samsung its the blind defending a product in some cases they don't have based off benchmarks they have not done .. the thing is I see all over the GPS issue not with the epic idk why but it has one on others touch wiz I don't like at all my opinion ..
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
Also not to post twice app is messing up.

I myself will buy the within trust me stew I'm just as critical with the HTC brand as well.

Samsung gs2 is a win for them big time I'm happy we have the chance to see all these great mobiles my statement above is not to be taken to heart ..

Maybe I should of stated that qualcomm claims these things no 100% proof of them being side by side I'm guessing so its just a company in a way hyping there product .

But I'm looking toward to the 3d and within photon no go at all
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I'm not at all interested in the Photon. I've got two upgrades available at the moment. I'm getting the 3D for now to see if I like it. If I don't, I'll use the other upgrade I have and switch to the Within. I'll also sell my Evo 3D on eBay if that happens to be the case. So far, both phones look great. Photon is interesting, no doubt. It's just that Moto's history isn't appealing to pretty much anyone here.
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
Ha good idea also I agree with you with photon and moto not to knock them.

I really want to see the 3d rooted and put to its maximum potential it should be fun ..
[HTC EVO 3D] random1204:
Seeing as the Evo 3D is made by the reliable quality company of HTC, whereas all the Motorola phones, especially on AT&T, are some of the most plastic-y crap phones I've ever seen.

Hands down, the unlocked bootloader of the HTC is the ultimate, no-more-questions decision maker for me.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
When I hear motorola, I think of Verizon???