yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
probably s-offing sensation is much harder than with previous htc phones due to new locking mechanism. Thats why he can give any straight answers, its trial and error for xtc clip too, maybe he can make it or maybe he can't

as for htc dodging answers, i have a feeling even if the will unlock evo3d and sensation will be in autumn when the sales will drop, and they'll give users a reason to buy. For now users buy phones based on their shady promise (i say shady because they didn't mention neither the devices neither a time frame or a roadmap )

i just hope they don't adopt din business model because will backfire, and they will have ****loads of returns
[HTC Sensation] crypt.1nj3ct:
Sorry for a stupid question, but is there difference between XTC Clip and Rebel XTC Clip?

This thread OP address is XTC.hk, and another is xtcclip.com. So?
[HTC Sensation] EnhancerFIN:
Lue nyt yksityisviestisi ensialkuun ;).

xtc.hk is the manufacturer of the clip, and sells them directly, xtcclip.com is a reseller. Same device in both cases.
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
and currently they do not work with the Sensation, im not sure about the 1.18 hboot version, but definitely not working with 1.17 hboots
[HTC Sensation] vwbest16:
Here I saw the link that says it works on HTC Sensation S-OFF unlock bootloader the XTC Clip PAYG

But probably not true.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/XTC-Clip-Pay-you-go-HTC-S-Off-Unlock-Kit-/130537812471#ht_5133wt_996

HTC Sensation is the last in the list
[HTC Sensation] xjojo:
hboot 1.18 is supported, i think ;)
[HTC Sensation] vwbest16:
I have hboot 1.17.0008 :(
[HTC Sensation] jerrylzy:
I tried to use xtc to s-off my sensation,and in bootloader it said cid incorrect..And somebody told me the gold card which sensation can use is different from the old ones..I heard that the worth of the new gold card was ￥30000 or more....And if we get the new gold card, maybe we will s-off our sensation easily..
[HTC Sensation] boostedb16b:
who has the new gold card and how can i get in contact with them?
[HTC Sensation] jerrylzy:
Somebody in Beijing ZhongGuanCun(ZOL)
[HTC Sensation] EtherealRemnant:
As has been mentioned before, the new "goldcard" has 2048-bit encryption. Unless a new exploit is found (I would honestly target the Sense 3.0 software looking for this as it seems to have a number of bugs and may very well have some sort of an overflow vulnerability that will crash it and drop to a root prompt for temp root), it is pretty much impossible to root without HTC releasing an update. That's just the bottom line.

Also, thanks to the idiot that posted all those apps with a root exploit in them to the market that not only rooted the phone in background but then stole the data from the phone and uploaded it to a server and also allowed for background downloading to an unknown malicious means (Google Myournet), Google fixed a bug in the OS that allowed a rogue app to exploit via rageagainstthecage which puts us in an even more dire situation.

With the new software, HTC has pretty much ended all root exploits and even if we find a root exploit, we still have to deal with the signed bootloader code.
[HTC Sensation] ironeagle:
Reply from XTC Clip - Pay as you go - HTC S-Off Unlock Kit seller

Below is the communcation with ebay seller (XTC Clip - Pay as you go - HTC S-Off Unlock Kit)

Dear sonicpromo,

Will it work for HTC sensation with hboot 1.17.0008

Thanks.

Dear Ironeagle,

Yes it will :-)
[HTC Sensation] eyegor:
Buy it, test it. I'm from Serbia, we aint got paypal here.
[HTC Sensation] rogermiet:
Is that a fake or true?
[HTC Sensation] GabrielSousa:
I would like to know that too
[HTC Sensation] rogermiet:
I have tested it. It's not true. XTC can not unlock hboot 1.17.0008
[HTC Sensation] cjm1979:
I've got it from Raskal and it doesn't.
[HTC Sensation] MiKA7:
Yeah same here.. also tried with 1.17.0011 bootloader and no go there too
[HTC Sensation] ys222:
leave in Beijing

Hi

When I got my Incredible S, the only one that could help me was chines student that crack my phone.

I want to "pay back" :-) since this week end I'm going to buy the Sensation machine and like to have the option to crack it as well as help other to do so

please advice
[HTC Sensation] tenfar:
are you sure you can crack that? unbelievable
[HTC Sensation] bruce2728:
As he posted that about a week ago I gather he didn't have any luck
[HTC Sensation] ys222:
Correction

guys, I'm really sorry, but from your responses it seems that I was not well understood.

I referred to my previous phone (incredible S) and not to the new Sensation.

I have asked to get a clip to china so I can also be a Beta tester and help people here to crack there phones as I had been helped with my Old phone :-)
[HTC Sensation] castrobarco:
I want be a beta tester
[HTC Sensation] sjgore:
You're kidding, right?
[HTC Sensation] MAMeingast:
LOL

10char
[HTC Sensation] nardone24:
Still looking? send me a pm I'd test
[HTC Sensation] ClydeB1:
Yes, after 280+ replies and 25000 views of the thread he still doesn't have 10 people who want free stuff :rolleyes: Dream on......
[HTC Sensation] BladeKnight:
Hi Sir ClydeB1...good to hear your on SEnsation thread now...maybe you can't remember me...your the one who help me when i was having problems with my Htc Hd2....nice to hear from you....
[HTC Sensation] ClydeB1:
Yes I do remember you. I'm still scouting out as I get to upgrade my phone in 2 weeks and currently the Sensation looks like the only worthy successor to the HD2.
[HTC Sensation] nardone24:
Thanx for your input but we didn't need that!!!

But you like going around flaming people so it's ok I understand!!!!!!

What I can't understand it y people can't mind there own business. Hahaha Dream on....
[HTC Sensation] cjm1979:
I cant understand why people cant read threads before posting.

You got flamed because you couldn't be bothered to read first.
[HTC Sensation] stonew5082:
Still need beta testers? I'm willing. Hahah just kidding.
[HTC Sensation] nugzo:
I mentioned it a few weeks/month back and got flamed here about it, but the OP should really be changed/updated. It should say BETA closed on the first page and update with his statement about the clip not working for the sensation, and that it probably wont ever. I'm sure he's not actively trying or he would have posted updates. that really is not to much to expect or ask for. we wouldnt get all these questions. 29 pages and no update from the op in a month except him saying that it doesnt work and he doesnt have time to pursue it any further. It should probably be closed actually...
[HTC Sensation] BonesRed:
Yeah it should have been closed eons ago
[HTC Sensation] cjm1979:
And out of the beta testers did any get the extra credits promised?
[HTC Sensation] xl DIGITAL lx:
Nope haven't received mine.
[HTC Sensation] nardone24:
This thread needs to be CLOSED no DELETED Waste of space
[HTC Sensation] dharvey4651:
Dead end thread...

Thread closed.
[HTC Sensation] redbullcat:
I'm happy to help if you still need testers :)
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
Count me in
[HTC Sensation] biohaz55:
If I'm not late then I would be interested
[HTC Sensation] sjgore:
I feel like I've arrived late at the party, but count me in if there's still some spaces left.

My Sensation is a UK Vodafone version, if that makes any difference.
[HTC Sensation] broncogr:
I am intereseted also if there is room for another one
[HTC Sensation] Flippy125:
I am intersted. How will we contact you about this?

Sent from my HTC Vision
[HTC Sensation] capychimp:
Sounds interesting
[HTC Sensation] Stanimir Komitov:
Count me in!
[HTC Sensation] Inquitus:
I would be interested in beta testing, have an Ship S-On on Vodafone Ireland. I tend to lurk more than post, not sure what my count is!

Inq
[HTC Sensation] paulove:
Count me in. :-)
[HTC Sensation] xboarder56:
I would be very glad to help if you don't have a problem with it. i would be glad to test anything and everything on it and provide you with full feedback
[HTC Sensation] KiaOrana:
I'd love get one of these mate! please count me in! Please please
[HTC Sensation] crazy cat:
I would love to help you. Just count me in and i will report you my feedback.
[HTC Sensation] Giblet-dono:
I would love to help

I've got a sim-lock free sensation

Pyramid PVT Ship S-ON RL

HBOOT-1.17.0008
[HTC Sensation] brandi:
I would really like to help you with this!

I do have the Sensation from Vodafone DE.

Greetz and Ty for this opportunity!
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Well, can I request one for Baadnewz as well please? He's a dev, so he needs one more than anyone else.
[HTC Sensation] madsurfer1:
I just got my Sensation today

If you want you cant count me in.

I've been cooking and testing since I can remember

Thanks
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
I would be very grateful to help with the testing raskal. I have a good track record on xda, and I can provide excellent feedback when testing.

Please count me in if there is space :)
[HTC Sensation] ianford10:
Would love to help out if I can be of assistance in all this :)
[HTC Sensation] EnhancerFIN:
Raskal, if possible, count me in for the beta testing!

I will receive my Sensation tomorrow, no operator branding and S-on, the same as you have. Also I have Nexus One, Desire and two Legends that would need some S-Off love :). So a little bit more beta testing could be done, in addition to Sensation one.
[HTC Sensation] raskal:
when you PM me, please also PM me the HBOOT version of your device and the state

locked? if yes, locked to which provider

branded? if yes, which provider

Thanks a lot
[HTC Sensation] sutt359:
Please sign me up would love to help.
[HTC Sensation] jonata:
ok,

this mornig I've send you my address but not HBOOT version ...

send youy another PM

:)
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
thanks, hopefully i'll be in for beta testing, or if I'm not making to beta testing, I'll be more than happy to get PAYG when will unlock Sensation
[HTC Sensation] smx11:
Yes, I vote for baadnews. He's a good dev so he needs one more than some other people. He can help us for unlocking the Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] giorgisp:
I just sent you another PM (the first one was just after you posted the thread), this time including the device information. I would really love to participate in the beta testing and I will provide you with any information you need :D
[HTC Sensation] vlad48:
I can see I'm in the first rows, but I'd prefer too to give my winning slot to badnews, I'm sure he will be more helpful.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
I know you would, but it's nice to see dev supporting dev. :) And all the guys asking for one here, there are people like baadnewz who can actually DO something with unlocked phone, not just use it to unlock sensation and wait for someone who hasn't got a clip to compile and test a rom.

DON'T BE SELFISH, by giving clips away to devs you will benefit more eventually.
[HTC Sensation] lollo1927:
If you want, it's ok for me...
[HTC Sensation] giorgisp:
I agree with that ;). Let's give the first 2 clips to baadnewz and capychimp and then follow the first come first serve order (I hope I will still get one, as I'm in the 5th place).
[HTC Sensation] i900frenchaddict:
I would be more than happy to help, I'm used to do beta testing, I did it for FpseCE during one year before it was out, and was the only tester.

I'm really eager to have a rooted Sensation to improve the way emulators, especially Fpse, are working on it. (I am in constant contact with Schtruck, Fpse dev. I wish he could improve dual core handling on the sensation for fpse, like he implemented dual touch on the HD2 running WinMo 6.5 for FpseCE)

(I'm also forum moderator at Fpse official forum, but it's not really related ^^ and I also beta tested the 3g+ network in france with a Samsung ZV50 in the gooood old days lol, was one of the very first to use a BGP100 with a WinMo 6.1 device, one of the first to plug a USB gamepad into the toshiba TG01,etc )

Using Sensation with the French SFR/vodafone stock rom

(beside My HD2, my Motorola defy, my Toshiba TG01, even my retired i900 Omnia )
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
Capy doesn't actually have a Sensation yet ;) (as far as I know)
[HTC Sensation] atticus182:
Hi Raskal, I'm really interested in beta testing for the Sensation! I have quite some beta testing experience, I have beta tested some emulators from ZodTTD ( http://www.zodttd.com/ ) on the iPod Touch since day 1 he started the development. You can probably get some feedback from him if you need to :)

Furthermore I love to fiddle around with my phone, try new stuff, and I'm aware of the possible dangers of doing so. If you think I'm fitted for the job, let me know :D

Phone Details:

PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-ON RL

HBOOT-1.17.0009

eMMC-boot

May 13 2011, 21:04:57

Provider: Vodafone

Radio: 10.42.9007.00U_10.11.9007.15_M
[HTC Sensation] xtcislove:
Would really really like to help ;-) Will get the Sensation Tuesday/Wednesday
[HTC Sensation] giorgisp:
Then the first goes to baadnewz and the rest of them in the first come first serve order ;). Hopefully I will still get one...

Edit: Well, actually Raskal will decide. :)
[HTC Sensation] ianford10:
Count me out, change of heart n all that, think I'm gonna dump my sensation in the sea anyways ;)
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
thanks for giving me your place, the important step is raskal to make it work 1st
[HTC Sensation] giorgisp:
Anyone know when the lucky beta testers will be announced by Raskal? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere in the first post...
[HTC Sensation] raskal:
members who don't have sensation yet should not consider this beta test offer, i really need help in testing since i can't buy all different "sensation" from different countries, different operators and different hboot. a test like this is the best way for xtc clip team find a way and best way for the user to have fun :)

thanks for understanding
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
well i already have a sensation, gave you the info, i cant wait to s-off it :)
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Well, if you need someone with vodafone UK ROM to do the test, send it my way if you want. Normal s-on Vodafone UK branded Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] RaiderX303:
id be happy to help with this, always looking for new ways to help the community :)
[HTC Sensation] raskal:
@all

thanks for the PM's got the beta testers already, please don't pm m about beta test any more

please don't shoot me if it will not work with your sensation :) i saw that most of you have sensation with hboot 1.17.xxxx while the clip should only work on hboot 1.18.1000, however, don't expect too much, it will sure not work for those have hboot 1.17.xxxx, if you feel boring, play with other HTC's, till we can release some update
[HTC Sensation] i900frenchaddict:
Mine was 1.17.008 so I'm not sad, it would have been quite vain.

Congratulations to the 10 winners, may you bring us good news!!!!

I'll be one of the forst to buy an XTC clip once it is reported as working.

But as I'm not being really patient, and like having things to tweak, modify, and most of all the possibility to really do my job for Fpse, I think I'm not going to play with another HTC, but with a Samsung device (guess which one ^^ ) while waiting for HTC to stop being stupide
[HTC Sensation] xtcislove:
maybe htc offer a hboot update/radio update before you release the clip for the Sensation ... Maybe its a Reason why they dont lock theire bootloaders anymore... they no you can hack them and we have to pay again ....

edit: dont understand me wrong :D i will buy an PayG Clip :p
[HTC Sensation] capychimp:
I never asked for it and I am a ROM cook I just find this very interesting and follow the progres
[HTC Sensation] xl VipeR lx:
Thanks for the clip raskal. i have no idea what hboot i have till tomorrow morning when my device arrives by royal mail. ill let you know when i receive it.
[HTC Sensation] zancu:
IF you want I have Sensation s-on from SFR France
[HTC Sensation] jerrylzy:
Which official rom is 1.18.xxxx?I have gold card.
[HTC Sensation] yingwai:
Please sign me up as I get a Hong Kong stock Sensation with S-ON!
[HTC Sensation] :
Really can't believe a xtc clip is even needed. HTC needs to confirm unlocking the sensation or not. If they take to long to announce/unlock, I'll pass on the sensation and wait for a better phone.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
we at least we are hoping for an update :). supercid works atm ?
[HTC Sensation] Moleculinary:
So we need to find a way to Flash hboot 18xxxx via ruu and everyone can use xtc?

Should be done via System dump or?
[HTC Sensation] anthrax132:
Maybe a stupid question,

If the HBoot version is different, isn't there a way to dump one of the 1.18.xxx and flash it over a 1.17.xxx one?

Or take it from an official update and flash it to update (via fastboot)?

Don't know if it's possible with S-On locks, but just an idea
[HTC Sensation] override182:
Great idea.. find a RUU containing 1.17.xxx hboot then flash the ruu.. hboot changes isnt it? Then able tp use XTC Clip
[HTC Sensation] jerrylzy:
+1, wait for the ruu
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
We can't write over our HBOOT that's the problem. eMMC lock! So unless it EVER comes in an official RUU, which is branded (for those with carrier devices) then it's not possible ;)

I am sure raskal will find a way to SuperCID and S-OFF HBOOT 1.17 devices ;) It just might take some time :)
[HTC Sensation] anthrax132:
Is flashing a hboot with the same version possible?

Besause, i just tested here, and i get an error:

fastboot flash hboot hboot_8x60_1.17.0008_20110513_signedbyaa.nb0
sending 'hboot' (1023 KB)...
OKAY [ 0.376s]
writing 'hboot'...
FAILED (remote: not allowed)
finished. total time: 0.397s

So, either it fails because it's the same version, or because the device is S-On...

Searching for an RUU with 1.18.xxx
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
It fails because of the eMMC lock (NAND lock). Do people not know this?
[HTC Sensation] anthrax132:
Of course i know ;)

But i'm just playing and testing.

As the HBoot is updateable (it works via RUU), there should be a way of flashing it; if i'm not wrong, the process of updating via RUU is nothing more than sending files via fastboot.

So, if the file is signed as the same as the one's in official updates (from where the hboot is), the question i was asking myself was why shouldn't it work?
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
The RUU obviously has a way of telling the device "hey, I'm an official RUU, let me flash the bootloader baby" and the lock comes off for it to flash.

While it does use fastboot, I'm sure it must send commands to the phone, to allow a temporary disabling of the eMMC lock.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
you are S-ON so you can't use fastboot flash partition img S-ON hboot have a pretty limited commands support, unlike eng hboot where you can use all

you can only use fastboot flash zip zipfile.

sure you might think well i'll get hboot hboot_8x60_1.17.0008_20110513_signedbyaa.nb0 added in a zip and flash it. won't work because your zip needs to be signed.

as for hboot update via OTA, yah could be possible if and when they'll release and update that contains a 1.8 updated hboot, but since the discussion here i'm pretty sure some htc dude watches the forum, so unless they want to unlock it or lock it even harder there is no point for them to update the hboot.

also even they wish to update the hboot, most of us have branded Sensation. You won't be able to flash a wwe ruu no mater how many gold cards you try, and we'll have to wait until carrier releases that updated
[HTC Sensation] Jimmy Flip:
Yes, it's way of telling the device is to be a zip signed by HTC with an appropriate CID for the phone. Also the error message is descriptive as well, no fastboot flashing (other than signed zips) allowed from remote, ie. user-initiated, with a SHIP hboot.

Having said that, if the goldcard method worked, we could at least flash any HTC-signed zip or RUU and get around the CID check. Doesn't seem to be much luck there at the moment though.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
i tried with the goldcard and no luck for me
[HTC Sensation] Jimmy Flip:
I know you put a lot of effort into this which is awesome. Tell me, did you use the revskills.de goldcard generator and try all usual combinations, ie. sdcard cid, sdcard cid reversed, sdcard cid with first 2 digits changed to 00, sdcard cid reversed with first 2 digits changed to 00? Most likely a problem with the img created but good to exhaust all common probabilities.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
yes i used revskill.de to create the gold card img

my steps so far with 2 sdcards - one that came with sensation and a 2 gb kingstone one - both had same steps applied

i formatated with alocation units size set to 4096 (in the old days for some reason this made the difference between a working gold card and a non working one)

cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:*/cid

got the output and reversed with

http://www.string-functions.com/reverse.aspx

because i'm am kinda of lazy

created the img on revskills

got the img and hexedited sector0 of the sdcard

also tried to reverse it and replace the 1st 2 digits with 00

if your into this maybe we can join efforts and eliminate all the possibilities faster

you can find me on freenode /qurey baadnwz
[HTC Sensation] manolodes:
Hello Raskal

I' m ok to test xtc clip, my Sensation work with sfr france, log n° 1.27.163.1...

Manu
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Well, it would only take people who understand what they are doing to find "i'm an official RUU" and adjust it to our needs. If that ever happened, that would be easiest way ever to flash stuff on the phone. I think HD2 uses something like that, doesn't it?
[HTC Sensation] anthrax132:
Yeah, "CustomRUU"

Was using this for flashinf HD2 too.

Couldn't it be possibly "adapted" to our RUU's?
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
well that "i'm an official RUU" is comming from zip signature with htc key
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Bummer. There we are again. So all we need is HTC key? I suppose that would be more use than unlocked bootloader. And it would be so much easier for HTC to release it rather than ota.

So in theory, if we had the key, we could put anything we want in ruu and make it "official"? Time for another petition me thinks :D
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
they lied to us with the unlocked bootlooader, what makes you think they will give us the key

my best hope is in this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1113831 , maybe someone skilled enough and motivated by money will do the job for us
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
They didn't lie to us about the unlocked bootloaders. Lol.

They said "we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our phones". No where in that statement did in 100% say it will include the Sensation. We just all hoped it would. And it might in time.

That means, devices to be released. The EVO 3D is going to have an unlocked bootloader. It's not just a case of HTC going, here's the unlocked bootloader, go enjoy. If they are going to release it via OTA, they need to make ALL the updates for the carriers, then the carriers have to check the update, send it back. It's a big operation.

People are working on ways to S-OFF the device (raskal) and others will too I'm sure. We have two methods then hopefully, XTC Clip and maybe if someone finds an eMMC exploit, to flash the ENG H-BOOT.
[HTC Sensation] baadnewz:
strange how they posted that when everyone was crying about sensation ..and petitions were made for sensation.

i know how the ota works, but as i mentioned several times, if they meant business something will leak till they prepare the OTA
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
True. It would be nice. Maybe it will still happen...At least we got hold of an ENG H-BOOT. That's one step in the right direction.

I know it all happened during the Sensation nonsense, but as the device has only been released on Vodafone so far, maybe they won't do anything about it until the device is worldwide. Which should be soon.

Given it's only on Vodafone, I guess Vodafone will want to finish their exclusivity before allowing an unlocked bootloader to be released on it.