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[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Ok, looks like I need to change the mountpoint in recovery.rc, but I can't seem to get it to change. I figured out the building problem, so now all I have to do is figure out how to modify the recovery.rc to change the /mnt/sdcard mounts to /sdcard.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] stafly17:
Keeep it up!!!!

GOOD job man... keep it up... your awesome...
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ayoteddy:
Keep up the good work, i may have something up my sleeves though.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
hmmm sounds like something good
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ayoteddy:
CWM for SK4G by tonight ?? :D

For those working on recovery you can stop now, i have CWM working 100% on my phone.. i've been testing/messing with it all night (feel 999x safer with Working Odin image :p) and can barely keep my head up lol. been up since 12am to now (10:40) :o

im going to post more info later when i wake up and how to flash ect.

Btw, Nandroid backup/restore tested by myself it works perfect. Flashing whole ROMs works (Made a stock zip and flashed), wiping partitions and everything works ! key mapping is also correct. But for now i need some rest.

be back in the afternoon
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Ok, so I used something of a ghetto work around, but it's less messy than the alternative. I mapped every instance of /sdcard in Clockwork to /mnt/sdcard. If I did it the other way, it would require a custom kernel to change recovery.rc and fota.rc to map the sdcard to /sdcard instead of to /mnt/sdcard.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ayoteddy:
see my previous post ;)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
Nice work man can't wait

as soon as we get nan working on recovery ill feel safe to start theming this bad boy i got two projects going honeycomb theme and a dark theme hopefully i can get a standalone working so u can pick it form theme chooser if not ima have to theme framework and make a update zip but i aint doing anything till recovery is working perfect that way we can revert it if anything
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Saw the post, sounds good. I'll start work immediately after you post CWM on a rom port ;] although it may take a while, as I am a n00b to porting (but have learned much in the past week of trying to port CWM).
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jomarxx:
Very nice!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
i cant wait to try cm7 on this bad boy
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] tweeklulz:
baller man!

thanks for the work also svudick!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ayoteddy:
The recovery I'm using works 100% and is safe (I nand backed up and restored, tested the other options as well) . It was not built by me though, it was built by Krylon360. I contacted him letting him know that everything works so I'm waiting for his response before pointing to any directions..
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
nice cant wait
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] krylon360:
so..what partition is your sdcard mounted to?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
It was mounted as:

/dev/block/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/sdcard vfat rw

and I changed all the mappings in CWM to /mnt/sdcard instead of /sdcard. But if yours works, there's no sense in me continuing to work on mine.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] krylon360:
thats the thing, mine mounts to mmcblk1p1......

so i'm trying to figure out HOW it's working. lol
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Don't fight a good thing? Idk. But if everything works, isn't that good enough? At least for now, if it doesn't work you can always change it later?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ayoteddy:
i have tested almost everything using the recovery. it leads right t ext SD, flashing works, as well as backups .. if the mount partitions are different thats odd .. cause it hasnt caused a single error
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
I think we either need to release it outright, or at least get more testers to see if it works for everyone
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] krylon360:
@ayo

give sduvick the directions, and have him test. if all is well, I'll release it.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] ayoteddy:
Copy

@sduvick Check your PM in 5 mins.. i'll tell you everything you need to know

Edit: Sent now .. lol perfect timing :)
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Krylon/Ayo: I tested it out. Mounting worked for everything except USB Mass storage mode, and the button map doesn't have the back button or the trackpad, but otherwise it works.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] krylon360:
ok. I can do a quick recompile with the recovery_ui.c file you did.

Let me sync up sources real quick.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
im literly checking every 5 mins for this recovery lol waiting paitiently:cool:
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Also, for the USB Mass storage mode, change the lun map in extendedcommands.c

from /sys/devices/platform/usb_mass_storage/lun0/file to /sys/devices/platform/s3c-usbgadget/gadget/lun0/file

That will fix the USB mass storage problem and everything will be good to go.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
so that mean's after all the Mapping's are correct and button's the recovery's ready and all that has to be done is cook up a ROM correct ?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] tweeklulz:
i can taste custom roms already :D
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
I hope there's good roms , beside's CM7 .
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
fawkreviewz: you really need to quit asking, it's getting annoying. Clockwork gives a working base to begin working on ROMS, but ROMS are a lot of work, so it will probably take a while until any of them are completed.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
yes paitients is the key to good things :cool:
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
im not asking , well i did just ask a question , but i was just asking how's the process going & i know patience always lead's to good things .
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] JoshEwAhh:
Can't wait, keep up the good work!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] xmeatizmurderx:
available

I'm available for testing if you guys need it
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jahnbodah:
Well said killjarrod, Well said... my thoughts exactly. :D
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
Yo yo yo lol

So where we at just wanna knoe ain't rushing I could test if u like

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[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Krylon still needed to be able to sync his repo to rebuild CWM with my changes, which he wasn't able to do last night. Haven't heard anything yet today. you'll know when anything happens.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
I definitly will lol good looks doe can't wait for this cuz after this everything takes off I'm looking into porting miui rom

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[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yogi2010:
a tiny bit off topic, but I haven't been able to sync with CM source for days now.... I've all but given up for now :(

Sent from my HTC Vision
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
What source are you trying to sync with yogi? I have been able to sync just fine using github.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yogi2010:
I've been trying to resynch with the full CM repo, doing 'repo init -u git://github/CyanogenMod/android.git -b gingerbread', and then 'repo sync'. at best I get maybe 20% of the way thru, but usually it times out after a minute or so. thought maybe that was the problem Krylon was having. it worked just fine for me up until a few days ago.

on another note, way to go on this project! I have a new SK coming in 9 days, so I look forward to flashing the new Clockwork.

Sent from my HTC Vision
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] sduvick:
Hmm, not sure, it's possible that was his issue, but I'm not sure.

I'm syncing right now with the cyanogenmod repo no problem, so it looks like it's fixed.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] tweeklulz:
could we get android 2.3 with custom roms?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] mattpall:
Keep up the good work guys

Add me to the list of people checking this thread like a crackhead...
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jomarxx:
Smh
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
This thread is addicting lol

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[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jomarxx:
I check this thread like every 10 minutes...... am I addicted?
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
I check like every min I think we addicted

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[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jahnbodah:
I know I check all the time. xda is a drug.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] xmeatizmurderx:
nostalgia

This brings me back to when the OGs were working on the G1 I love it! The anticipation is just as exciting
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jahnbodah:
wow... lasted 27 minutes this time, lol, worst part is I have it sent to my email whenever someone post here, I still check because half the time it doesn't send the email...

...see ya in about half an hour or so!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jomarxx:
Lol
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] krylon360:
Ok, all test seem to be passing. Just had to fix UMS. so they are testing that now. If all is well, I will post a thread tonight for CWM with all instructions.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Datlilboricua:
Nice work man

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[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] jomarxx:
GREAT!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] shadyxlx:
i cannot wait to try this when you guys finish up all that great work
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] krylon360:
posted: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1124453
[HTC Inspire 4G] brian85:
What in the world is going on? Battery went from 100% to 25% in 5 hours with not using it one single time.

What is the app to see what is using your CPU? Also, does juice defender help?
[HTC Inspire 4G] ptulluri:
Battery Monitor Widget or Process Monitor Widget
[HTC Inspire 4G] stonewallmike:
Go to Menu>Settings>About Phone>Battery. What are the items displayed and their percentages?

You have a problem. Juice Defender won't fix it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ranklepup:
Just letting you know, If you are planning on being away from your phone for some time turn off the data! Go to settings-wireless and networks-mobile network and shut it off...

Having data consumes battery like a fire started in a dry field of cornhusks.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
+1

There's absolutely nothing right about a 75% drop in 5 hours on standby only.

If you know for sure the battery is good, start uninstalling ****. Check running services, see what's hiding in there.
[HTC Inspire 4G] brwnohno:
Try OSMonitor from the app store. Since upgrading to gingerbread I have found some programs that ran good on 2.2 won't close out properly and will consume about 80 percent of cpu in the background on 2.3. For example I have to use an older version of Pandora because of this and also found some of my games no longer close out properly on 2.3. OSMonitor will show what programs are consuming large amounts of cpu. Terminating these programs and deleting them will correct battery issues. Another thing that can help is limit the accounts set to sync and for sure DO NOT SIGN INTO HTC SENSE! Hope that helps. I have decent battery life with mine with the screen consuming about 70 percent of my battery. I use my phone a ton.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Aridon:
If you are in a marginal signal area that could be normal. Otherwise its probably sense ui and social networking. One of the reasons I don't use sense as 90% of that rom is social crap I don't use and it kills the battery.
[Android Apps and Games] crdnilfan:
This is my first game, I've put a decent amount of time into it, it's called Soccer Juggle. There are a few apps like it already, but mine is different because:

It supports local multiplayer (2 and 3 balls)

It supports bluetooth phone to phone multiplayer (2 balls only)

It has 50 different campaign mode levels.

It has different level modifiers.

It doesn't have "static physics" but instead makes it more difficult the longer you've had a combo, making high scores difficult.

Anyways, leave me some feedback, the app will cost $.99 when I release it, there will also be a trial version without bluetooth, 3 ball multiplayer, or levels 21-50.

The version I just uploaded will expire June 15th 2011 at Midnight 2011, depending on it's status on that date I may upload a new version with an extending expire date.

Finally, thanks to the informative sticky at the top of this subforum, I have submitted this as a draft apk to my account and it can't be stolen!

Please don't hold back on your comments, this being my first game, and first app worth looking at, I'm sure I missed a few things!

EDIT:

If you wish to unlock all the levels, enter "31415" as the "winning score for multi player" option in settings. it'll automatically unlock all 50 levels to test :)
[Android Apps and Games] pr0necr0:
any screens?
[Android Apps and Games] crdnilfan:
I wasn't emailed about your response, sorry, I went ahead and worked out as many bugs as possible and published to market. There are 8 screens there.

I can't post links yet...on xda forums, market search soccer juggle, you'll find it. it's by me, crdnilfan.

The trial has been published but isn't appearing yet, regular market lag. will post when it's out.
[Android Apps and Games] iynfynity:
Tried it and it's a little unresponsive sometimes. The background could be better too. :D
[Android Apps and Games] crdnilfan:
Responsiveness is something I've really struggled with, this is my first ever SurfaceView app, and my first game, the two combine to difficult optimization due to lack of knowledge. As I learn more though, working on various other apps, I will work in optimizations.
[HTC Inspire 4G] jaw2012:
I'm wondering if there is an app that allows true backgrounding or multitasking in Android. In other words, whenever I switch an app and go somewhere else, and then return back to a previous app, I would expect that app to be in the same state as when I left it.

This currently only happens with a few apps, it's hit or miss. So far I haven't found a fix or an app that resolves this issue. Not to create a fight, but the iPhone had background apps that kept apps in memory so that when you returned the app was in the same exact state as when you left it. Thanks all.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
I use the home key in order to do this and it works for the apps that i have done it with. Was just using it this way the other day to jump between file explore and an online post. I would use file explorer hit the home key go back to my browser. Then hit the home key while in the browser and would go back to file explorer and everything in both apps was as i left them. Try that see how it works for you.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ranklepup:
Make sure you hold down the Home key and it will show you your last 8 used apps.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ST3ALTHPSYCH0:
Did not know that.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
Thanks I forgot to mention that although I don't usually go that far back in apps lol.
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
If you hit the back button to exit the app, it will usually exit it- hit the home button and it will background it. Android DOES 100% true multitasking, realize if you run low on ram, the kernel will kill old processes and start killing your oldest used apps as it needs to.
[HTC Inspire 4G] jaw2012:
Yes i already knew of the home button function, but that DOES NOT always work! For example lets say im was in the middle of writing a tweet in Tweetcaster and i leave the app (by pressing home) to reference somthing in the Browser. If I then bring up the recent apps and reselect Tweetcaster, my unfinished tweet will be gone as the app will instead be in its starting screen.

Likewise another app that doesnt truly multitask is the WatchESPN app. You'll lose your video if you leave the app no matter what.

There are many other apps that behave like this. I was hoping there was a seperate app that offered "TRUE" multitasking or backgrounding, which keeps apps in memory so that u can return to an app in the exact state as you left it, but for ALL APPS and not just some. Thanks
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
99% of the apps I've used and use pick up right where I left off, sometimes even days later. There probably is a few that wont as you described, which is probably due more to how the programmer coded the app to exit.

I'd say most (all of my apps do) truely multitask
[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
Don't try the recent apps just try clicking the app itself.
[HTC Inspire 4G] churro7:
Webos is the only one

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[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
That doesn't make any difference I don't think. Recent apps is just a list of those same program icons listed in a convenient pop-up window, ordered by usage.

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[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
Could be not sure. It's just the way I do it and always works for me.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Scott_S:
Whatever your preference, I was just mentioning I don't think there's any functional difference that would make one way any more effective than the other.

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[HTC Inspire 4G] Carlrobling:
I agree it probably doesn't matter which way. Could just be the app he is using. Some apps are set up to shut down with the back button and/or the home key. So at this point if either of those don't work then I'm out of ideas. I do know that android caches the apps you use so they should be saved in there current state. If they are not then maybe try a restart as your memory may be low so android is closing out these apps to compensate. One last question are you using a task killer/manager.
[HTC Inspire 4G] slimslim:
I use Taskswitcher from the market for exactly this on Atrix. Had no problems yet and didn't drain the battery either.
[HTC Inspire 4G] jaw2012:
I understand that Android CAN offer true multitasking, but thats NOT 100% always the case.

As others have said, some apps don't behave for those times when you minimize and not exit the app because you want to return to the app. WatchESPN, TweetCaster, native Android music app, and in-browser streaming video are only a few of the Apps that fail to multitask or "background".

For those instances, it seems Android offers a setting to the developer to either have the app behave in the background for easy multitasking, or it also allows developers to basically kill the app once its in the background, making "True Multitasking" anything but!

So thats why I was hoping there was an app that took this "backgrounding" option out of the apps hands and instead stored all apps into memory that you wanted to be backgrounded. For instance you could background apps either by a hotkey action or you could kill an app so that it doesn't background, this way not all opened apps get backgrounded and use up all system resources.

Anyway, thats what I've been looking for and haven't found an implementation like this. Hopefully I've just overlooked and someone can enlighten me?! Thanks all.
[HTC Inspire 4G] metaldood:
Yea would like to know as well. Blackberry playbook does true multitasking like a PC. Games and youtube video run in backgroud without pausing when we switch.

Havent come across that in android. Maybe i missed it somewhere. I think. Android has task switching' instead of multitasking?

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[HTC Inspire 4G] Gene Poole:
So you would actually want a video to keep playing when something else had fullscreen focus? That just doesn't make sense. As a developer, I'll tell you that it is certainly possible, but FFS why? Now if I'm listening to music, that makes sense. Run it in the background while I'm looking up stuff on the web or something, but most audio apps DO do that.

It's not a matter of the device being incapable, it's a matter of what's practical.
[HTC Inspire 4G] metaldood:
I feel that we should be able to run youtube videos / games running in background just like a PC. I mean our phones are as powerful as PCs from few years back. Say I have one tab running email/browsing and other a video. There may be a time where you want to quickly switch to another task/app and move back to watching the video. It may sound impractical but there should be an option to have this.

Else its just 'task switcher' like ios > 4. I like the way BB playbook has TRUE multitasking.

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[HTC Inspire 4G] thecrazy88:
I may get some flak for this but webos is the shizznit at true multitasking and the way all these companies steel from each other these days and the palm people that went to Google they should implement the card stile multitasking on Android some how. That would be killer. Don't make it look just like webos but something like it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] jaw2012:
You're serious when you say you think having video run in the background is pointless?

You must not be a power user. Or you're a Android apologist and take it personally when shortcomings of the OS are pointed out. I've found that to be prevalent, many people take it personally and feel them must defend the OS and they become blind sheep and can't be objective.

Not sure where you fall, or maybe I have you pegged wrong but if you can't see where true multitasking can be helpful be it either video, radio or just a general app, then I guess you can't help us to get these next gen apps to truly behave and run 100% backgrounded.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Gene Poole:
I can assure you that it is not the OS's shortcoming. Case in point: I wrote the NPR Science Friday podcast app. it has both video and audio podcast support. I wrote it so that the audio can run seamlessly in the background (except that it will pause play during a phone call). The video option assumes you are actually going to watch the video and grabs focus, blocks screen-turnoff, etc. and plays the video. If anything takes focus, it forces a pause in the playback. I could have just as easily made the video identical to the audio, but I really didn't see the point, and despite numerous features/bug fixes, not a single piece of feedback asking for this sort of thing (please don't add one just to spite me).
[HTC Inspire 4G] jaw2012:
Well there is a first for every "feature" request isn't there? But really, how you describe your app's functionality isn't as torturous as some of the apps that I've referenced previously.

Let's take WatchESPN or Tweetcaster as case in point. IF your playing a video or writing a tweet and you leave in those respective points in the app, then return to those apps, the video has stopped playing and the tweet is lost, but the WORST part is that the apps kick you back out to the starting position of the app. Thats a big distinction between those apps and how your app only "pauses" the video when you return to your app.

While I still would like an app that can externally "hold" an app in memory so that video or whatever it's user state is doing is available when the user returns, I gotta say your functionality is better than those other non-multitasking apps I referenced above.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Chad_Petree:
I totally feel you, its not true multitasking, the same thing happens to me , if im writing a tweet in twicca and then hit the home button to search my notes for example when i open twicca again it sends me to the timeline and the tweet iw as writing is lost :/ or the music player , imagine i'm searching trough the song list, then i hit home and open whatsapp and then i go back to the music player , it opens in the now playing screen :/
[HTC Inspire 4G] Gene Poole:
I'm not familiar with twicca, but if you both feel like this is an issue, perhaps you should complain to the author. I really don't think it is an issue with the OS so much as an issue with the developer. Remember, unix was multitasking before windows was were even a wet dream of Gates'. The android is linux to the core. The only constraints of being on an android as opposed to a PC is that the android has limited battery and all those things running in the background take a toll. An Android developer has to optimize for energy which is a fairly new paradigm for most developers.
[HTC Inspire 4G] akira02rex:
All of this is simply the shortcomings of the developer. If you want your tweetcaster app to not reset upon reopening then by all means contact them. The phone has multitasking but its not a windows 7 PC with a taskbar and windowed UI.
[HTC Inspire 4G] akira02rex:
Also I use seesmic for Facebook and twitter and it will multitask without issues. Just saying.