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[Epic 4G General] diestarbucks:
It's such a cliche phrase and I'm not all that fond of using it, but "can't we all just get along?" I purchased my Epic back in October and it was my first Android phone, it took a little bit of adjusting coming from WebOS but thanks to EVERYONE here, and other sites like Android Central, I learned a lot about the OS and a lot about my phone. It took a few months before I dove in and rooted and started messing around with ROMs and all the goodness that comes with being rooted, but thanks to reading and getting help from lots of people, I am enjoying my phone much more than I ever could have imagined. I admit I don't know whatever soap opera has gone on between who or when or why or how, I just know I have learned a lot from everyone and I don't understand why everyone can't just enjoy the freedom of choice they have, why they can't just feed off of everyones knowledge instead of despising it, and downgrading it, and attacking it, and help each other make everyones experience with not just this phone, but Android, or whatever platform you are on, a better smoother ride. I have a lot of thanks to give to a lot of people for helping make my phone a better device than what I got out of the box. I've been tinkering around with theming thanks to great guides that are out there, and learning more than I ever thought I could. Quite frankly this is all a huge turn off, but I know a lot of peoples hearts are in the right place even if their heads aren't.

Get along people. Personally I feel it benefits everyone involved. (Enjoy the giant rambling paragraph while you are at it)
[Epic 4G General] thomasskull666:
I agree with everything said above. What most of you fail to realize is the amount of work k0nane put into not only removing CIQ but figuring out exactly how it works.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Haha I never thought of that. But, I would trust ptfdmedic, k0nane, etc with my stuff more than I do Carrier IQ. :p

Sent from the ony thing i need.
[Epic 4G General] rgregg504:
I'm not a dev and I am not takin sides but worded differently thiss could have just been an opinion thread. Instead it is gonna turn into a flame war. Ya know what, Konane obviously put a lot of effort into removing it and there is some small advantage to it bein gone. Either way we have a choice now. I happen to run sydicate which has no ciq but that is in no way a deciding factor it just happens to be part of a great rom. To each his own. Make your choice but why argue or flame any one about it. BS like this is probably one of the reasons Konane is takin a break and his absence hurts this community far more than ciq. Just my opinion flame if you want.
[Epic 4G General] Ron_91:
There are enough people using stock phones for sprint to be able to tell where they need to upgrade coverage at. The small percentage of users with custom roms will not affect their data.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
Good point. We do only make up a small percentage of the customer base. Nice :)
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
very true :P
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
It's like any small business, though. I can sit and talk to the actual developer of the software here. At best from Samsung and Sprint we get reps who we can tell are trying to pull one over on us or placate us. It's the same reason I prefer local stores for things. Sure, they may be swindling me or not, but I've developed a relationship with them and their services. I'm sorry, but for doing things for free, I think the devs are very open about what they're up to on here. They're also doing it for pride and not money, all it would take is a dev tinkering with the ROM, kernel or theme and finding something shifty and they would never have a name around here again. Noobnl, you come on here and say some pretty controversial ****, but your work and your reputation gives you the right. When SamsungJohn came on, we turned to you and ACS to tell us if he was legit and he works for the people who made our device. Life is all about relationships and people and this place is a community, for as dysfunctional as it can get. That's just my thought on it.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
I could care less what CarrierIQ does. Whether it's on my phone or not isn't going to cause me lost sleep. However, the more unneeded bloat removed the better in my opinion (as long as it doesn't create new issues/bugs upon removal).
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I'm pretty sure I made this same argument a few months ago...and no one listened :(

Carrier IQ doesn't do anything with our data, they send it directly to Sprint for them to analyze it. That's all...
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
Maybe you should word things like Noobnl, then get verbally lynched for heresy for crimes against the Epic community, but at least you'll definitely heard and remembered. :D

jk noobnl :p
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Haha nice :p

Sent from the ony thing i need.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
hahaha, i still love you even though im not a mod anymore
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
LOL, sorry Whosdaman, I couldn't resist using this. :eek::D

/bro hug

ahem... back to the topic!
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
You don't seem to get it. It's not his opinion but his approach. When you approach things the way he does and attack respected member of this community or simply and purposefully start flame wars the way he does, you lose ALL credibility. That's the problem. You don't seem to take issue with his antagonistic, disrespectful counter productive and even Libelous behavior. He has done GREAT things for this community in the past. That DOES NOT excuse his behavior or attitude towards the people in this community. That's the point.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Hahaha, I'm literally laughing out loud right now
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
Please listen to what he is trying to say. It is entirely immature the way this entire thing was handled. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you are more than welcome to express it.. as long as it's in a kind and respectful manner.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Poit- no, CIQ is not directly related to tethering, I was responding to a couple things at once.. i believe that someone inferred that sprint used CIQ to sniff out tethering, or that they should. The bit about tethering and data use was long winded for being off topic (sort of), for that I apologize. And re: building effing towers, they have done just fine without CIQ, and my dirty pics and texts have nothing to do with signal strength.... that was my point about maybe having total CIQ kill and a 'help sprint keep costs down, but hide my porn site traffic' version?

Rob, I totally understand your POV on Noobnls posts, and I do NOT go in irc, where it would appear the most drama goes on (I thought it was the 'noobs' who were dramatic, but it seems most originates behind those closed doors). I am happy that Noobnl posts these things, because as whosdaman pointed out, he mentioned it, and nobody seemed to notice, its the wording. Why do punk bands yell... why is Alice Coopers gimmick still working for artists today... it gets peoples attention. I can tell there may be some personal stuff going on behind all this, there always seems to be with pretty much every Dev, with you, Rob, forever mediating... you are truly a saint. We just see/hear bits and pieces and then its the telephone game. OK, no more rambling... look at the things Noobnl attacks/questions, the more cutting edge, ambitious tweaks, its good to have your ideas tempered against a worthy opponent... I could argue sprints side of the CIQ to Konane and get nowhere... Noobnl seems to know something, and in his usual way, is vague at first... but it has made changes around here... it started all the questioning of file system choices, now we have devs using any or even multiple different options.... thats awesome! Progress for progress' sake is not always good... its good to have someone double check stuff... isnt that the scientific method?

Its too bad theres so much Dev on Dev violence, because we all benefit from debates like this, but when theres potentially a personal beef behind things, not that I know, but people are implying it, that muddles it all up and its not just constructive criticism. Its like the [4" across! Deepest Blacks!!] method of drawing attention.

Oh, WDM... so are you saying that CIQ the company literally passes on data to sprint, as in the gather it and pass it along (analyzed or not)? Or were you saying they sold them the whole package and have nothing to do with our stuff?? I was implying they would obviously know a backdoor in, but if it literally passes thru their servers, THAT would be wrong...

Noobnl, please let us know if you are working on showing us how it benefits our use in real time, if it causes any issues by being removed...(for us, I dont really care about sprint, they did just fine before this)....?
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
If we're truly less than 10%, why should they care if we remove it?
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
Last I heard the USPS was not allowed to open letters unless there was a probable cause that it may be something dangerous... why does this concept change when its a private corporation and its 1's and 0's?
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
Who really gives that big of a **** about CIQ in the first place. Everyone here knows that it is inactive and that Syndicate rom is solid with or without it. Noobl go **** yourself and stop stirring up the board until you come up with a new innovation. Until then you're just coming off like a bitter little kid living off yesterday's glory. Take jbadboy with you too.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
oh ****, ACS has their gats out... this thread is straight wack... lol...
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
People are spitting fire on here right now. Its kind of like (the very old) debate about journal vs. no journal. At first it was said to have a "dramatic" increase in performance. I've used both and the difference is minimal. Nobody really knows what's really going on with the CIQ with 100% certainty. If it wasn't noobnl posting this or the title was "Why I think noCIQ yields minimal results", there would probably be 6 responses. I can see both sides of the argument. There are those that know this is Noobs style and he's the master of getting people fired up. Then there's the people that feel that this community finally got over a major hurdle and devs are sharing more and the community is being more friendly and helpful as a whole and we just got set back a few months with a single thread. I am leaning toward the latter.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
has their gats out? really?
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
If ACS breaks out their big guns, this thread will be closed in a matter of minutes
[Epic 4G General] ragnarokx:
Their little Android avatars do have machine guns..
[Epic 4G General] Zor Omega:
While not as violently opposed as Mr. Stir fry a lot... I have to say, how long has ACS been running their roms with no CIQ? At least 5 or 6 month. Why is noobnl bringing this up now. If he wanted to make an objection to it, it should have been a whole lot earlier. While I respect your earlier work, I gotta agree, noobnl please stop trying to stir stuff up, your not doing yourself any favors.
[Epic 4G General] westicle:
Because he's a punk drama queen.
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Noobnl why do you do this? You did this with ext4 saying it was bad. Making these threads to start ****. And after all was said and down ext4 ended up being better for are phones. Remember your thread on checking for bad blocks lol.

If your gonna challenge a mod or a hack done by another dev besides your self come with the proof. Untill then just shut the **** up and let us be. Are phones haven't self destructed yet and anything you said or done hasn't helped make the phone from self destructing.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Here's our other outspoken dev :)

Sent from the only thing i need.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Ungovernable, ciq collects the data that the carriers tell them to collect then they send it to the carriers, which they then can analyze our have who ever analyze for them. Only tmobile doesn't have a contact with ciq, sprint has had a contact with ciq for four years now and ciq has been in nearly every device on their network. For the past two years verizon and att also jumped aboard and are doing the same thing. Their only intention is to improve their devices and coverage. That's all.

Think of it this way, the carriers don't need ciq to see what you are doing. They have that access themselves already. They just use ciq to collect data on the phone usage
[Epic 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
This is typical noob sums him up to a t. Start a thread just to get a reaction and see if his **** riders are still all aboard. K0nane is a talented developer that put a huge amount of time into making the phone optimized and more responsive than sprint gave you. Either you use the ciq removed rom or you don't. Its def ciq removed speeding up the phone not entirely ext 4 and oc kernel. My Epic wasn't able to overclock and I didn't run ext 4. I put the ciq removed files in an rfs rom and the performance was there. Want to test for yourself, press the phone button, count to 10 before the dialer pops up. Now flash aciq removed rom. Press the phone icon and watch the dialer immediately. This you can see what you can't see is the lag on gmail, mms, sms while ciq is pooling data before notifying you. Now you wait this late in the game to diss a developer who has brought a lot to the community while you did what exactly? So what's the problem with ciq removed roms? Oh yeah you didn't come up with it! The problem with the epic community if I were to sum it up is the community giving credence to this type of thread in the first place. That and ex mods thread jacking whining saying "no fair I thought this up first". Sound like a bunch of kids before those nuts drop WOW!
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
exactly, this is where I agree with k0nane, as far as the personal data, they already have it, they are the 'mailmen' for it, (who shouldnt read it without a warrant), now as far as the OTHER aspects of CIQ, gathering data actually relevant to improving their networks, and little to no pain to us, im all for... Im on both sides on this one... Id like a selective attack on CIQ, a cruise missle for what is unnecessary both because they already have the info, and because looking at it isnt really their business unless its malicious or its court ordered... thats really all it is. Dont read my mail, and please dont let a third party corporation even touch it.... it should be from us, to sprint, and then out into the wild west of the internet.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
I KNEW IT!!!! MYSTERY AND DREAMS! HAVENT WE FOUND OURSELVES IN THESE THREADS BEFORE?! Hahahahaha! Thats the guns I was referring to. This thread rules! People reeeeeallly need to lighten up.... noobnls OP was just stating the advantages of CIQ, from the network-getting-better POV... then everyone else (myself included) took it wherever it went... this thread needs 'Crazy Train' for a soundtrack. I thought u and impaler were friends??? He is a Sprint employee, so of course he is going to acknowledge, and know before a lot of us the advantages of something like this. As far as performance... idunno... you, and other Devs have waaaay more ability to do real testing with this stuff than we do, not just benchmarking... thats been manipulated long before smartphones were around... but you can set up different configs as you put together roms, right? So if most of us notice the biggest impact is when we use setcpu or whatever and bam its lightspeed... well were working with what we have in front of us.

Did anyone stop to think that maybe it really is a coincidence that noobnl and k0nane arent crossing paths... they both are or have taken breaks to deal with real life, etc... so maybe its not just an opportunistic jab, but 'I just got back here, and this is whats been on my mind'.... Theres nothing wrong with checks and balances... besides, its entertaining as hell! Isn't most everyone sitting around waiting for GB source to get back to devving/leeching... so why not have some heated discussions about the pros and cons of ideas...

Otherwise, those who object to others questioning the ideas of others can form a new group, called the Flat Earth Society. "no questioning the really good devs, even if its another really good dev... we have images to uphold..." like back with the filesystem thing, it wasnt so silly, as now most people prefer the option of all three setups, and people took the initiative to make that available, and we are all happy we can do what we want. Nobody is infallible, but noobnls stance usually tends to be error on the safe side, so its a lot harder to say he is being reckless or whatever... I personally want everything that doesnt have to do with improving my signal to go, and if lookin at my files and geotagging me is the price, then screw it. But thats just me, reading the OP, I was like, hmmm... I wonder if the good parts can be kept... others like their lives to be an open book... so be it...
[Epic 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
Yes we have XD. No guns here I just call it how I see it. Bashing devs for attention, can't say I'm suprised coming from him. Carrying over from I read in the other thread with the whole I don't trust acs, same **** he pulled over at sdx when a dev came out with a decent rom. its almost like he'll step on anyone making moves to test this community apart and it isn't called for in the least nor productive for the Epic community.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
well it looks like he may have his nose in the CM code soon, so im guessing we will get his usual 3-5 word updates every... whenever... and I doubt he will bother making any posts. I just welcome the entertainment in this no-new-roms time... and you know I love a good thread with a political twist on it ;) It amazes me, because the nerd (positive term to me) groups act EXACTLY like the street gang mentality... and im not necessarily talking about 'gangsta', but more punks, skins (real skins, not nazi jerkoffs)... now that im a hermit with a kid, this reminds me of my 20s, except I was verrry drunk and steel cap boots were a necessity. Its really the same thing, if you are the most visible group, for better or worse, you will get attacked, challenged, questioned, worshipped.... it happens to ACS, it happened to Noob, it happened to Viper... Robs thread is the one where I feel like I go into the grownups room... no offense, but look at the post counts... always way less posts, usually on topic and generally a polite and mature atmosphere. But I think its because its like were going into 'his house', so you follow his rules, respect his wishes... so his threads tend to follow his suit... Now give an android a tommy gun, or use a scary snake for a logo (Cobraaaaaaa!!) then all the sudden you attract people who are attracted to that vibe... or people change their ettiquitte (whatever, dont like that word anyways) to suit where they are... out here, its like a wild west saloon.. and Noob busts in, fires a couple rounds, and leaves for a couple hours, leaving the people inside to try to figure out who he was shooting at? Maybe it was an accident, and he didnt mean to? If he did the shooting, there must have been a good reason! If he did the shooting he was aiming at me and my friends I swear! hahaha... its all really funny to me, but I dont have work or a reputation on the line... but then again that grants me objectivity... we, the leeches, will be looking at all sides, as we have no vested interest, like a focus group... we dont know what goes into making the product, or have a vague idea, but its good to bounce ideas off us as we are the 'consumers' in this case... ok enough... ive wrote a novel today. sorry guys... life on the dole... its no fun... its no fun at all!
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
That's the point I was trying to make. The devs have been great about supporting each others' work and people have been better about answering questions posted by the new crop of Epic owners. I got flamed a lot when I first got my Epic and discovered XDA. I mean Ecooce with a link to ptfdmedics vote site, complimenting other devs and themers work,etc. There's been a really improved attitude as a whole around here lately but its always hard to ignore when someone comes out in a thread and calls someones work bullsh*t. EDIT: I would just love (even if it was only once) all of the teams to join up and release 1 ROM that combines the best aspects of each. I know that's probably nearly impossible but one can hope right? When I first read the OP, I thought well maybe there's some interesting theories here but calling someone's work bullsh*t is picking a fight. He's smart enough to know what would happen when he titled the thread
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Well, now that I checked out the Cyanogen thread and noob is working on the kernel for it, this seems more like an "I'm baaaaccckk!"
[Epic 4G General] westicle:
Sofa king what. Doesnt make him suck any less.
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
I don't know much about the guy but I do know the devs that I test for and they are all great. I dont know noobs work
[Epic 4G General] cbpagent72:
Can someone post some proof that removing or keeping CIQ actually produces any positive results? Everyone is claiming all of these speed and batterylife benefits without any proof, sounds like a bit of a placibo for Android owners.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
A page or so back I asked noob to back up his claims. I posted everything the k0nane posted about ciq. Noob has yet to produce anything backing up his claims.
[Epic 4G General] GituSum:
I'm so sick of these fourms. I've never wanted to upgrade a phone so I could leave a fourm until now. There are more aurguments and butt hurt people in this fourm then I've ever seen before.

GituSum Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] megabiteg:
We all know he doesn't reply to the threads he starts.... this is usless and a mod should close this thread now..........

Sent from an Epic with 4G
[Epic 4G General] Shoulon:
Hate to say it but noobnl u have issue's. Both bad and good.

However this communitys gone the crap. Wat happen to our harmony?
[Epic 4G General] nastystang05:
I don't care either way. But what if we aren't using their network and connected via WiFi
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
This trolling thread has been closed.
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dersh:
One of the reasons that I have not yet rooted is because I would loose the ability to rent movies.

My question is if there is a simple work around. Has anyone tested how the movie application verifies root?

If all it does is tries to find su, then renaming su to su_tmp (or whatever) would allow movies to be watched, and then it would be easy to "re-root" by just renaming, or making a softlink, to get su back when you are done watching the movie.

On the other hand, if it is checking if the xoom is locked, is checking recovery, or something kernel specific, it could be harder to fool it.

Has anyone managed to watch a movie on Xoom that was rooted, and has a none-default kernel and non-default recovery?

Thanks,

--Adam
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] p-slim:
Not happening. Even if they found a way google would have to patch that instantly.
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dersh:
What's not happening? Someone to test it out?

Turns out it is not that easy for an application to determine if a computer has been rooted, so google might just be checking for su. If so, what would they patch? So that is why I am asking if movie rental only works with the default kernel, or if it depends on just the presence of su.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BuffoGT:
I have the pro version but I'm wondering two things:

1) which thing should I restore to get my marketplace apps back. I know how to respite the apis themselves but then they never show up in the "my apps" section.

2) how can I backup my sms and mms messages?

Thanks in advance!