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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prazzo:
Hi,

I've got my DZ a couple of days ago. It's a secondhand DZ. Previously i've used HTC Touch, Touch Dual, TP2, so this is my first Android experience. I did lots of ROM playing on previous winmo phones, but after reading for these couple of days of Android modding, i learn that flashing another Android ROM is not so simple as winmo ROM.

This is my DZ info:

Android version 2.2.1

Baseband version 12.28e.60.140fU_26.04.02.17_M2

Kernel version 2.6.32.21-g6e170e7

Build number 1.82.707.1 CL317545 release-keys

Software number 1.82.707.1

VISION PVT SHIP S-OFF

HBOOT - 0.85.0009

MICROP - 0425

RADIO - 26.04.02.17_M2

eMMC - boot

Dec 13 2010

I've check with root checker and Titanium Backup, it says NO root access.

I've learned that with 1.82, i will have to downgrade first to 1.34.

In the steps for downgrading, i found that i will have to flash signed PC10IMG. But i also found in the sticky thread there's a warning, not to flash signed PC10IMG if i have S-OFF. So before i can downgrade, i have to get the S-ON.

I've read in a thread :

If for some reason (sending phone for warranty or repair, etc) you want to go back to S-ON:

- If you got S-OFF by flashing an Engineering hBoot, download the official HTC RUU for your phone version and flash the stock firmware back again. S-ON will be restored. This forum contains many threads with official RUUs.

- If you got S-OFF with gfree, it saved a backup copy to your SD card called "part7backup-xxxxxxxxxx.bin". It can be flashed back from a terminal emulator or from an ADB shell:

"dd if=/wherever/your/part7backup-xxxxxxx.bin of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p7

The problem is, i got a secondhand unit without microSD card. How can I get S-ON? I don't know how (what method) my DZ got S-OFF at the first place.

Any help is much appreciated.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raitchison:
You are already S-OFF? I'd find it strange that you'd be S-OFF and not be rooted.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spastic909:
install rom manager and check if there has been a recovery already flashed. Might answer your question

Why do you want s-on? S-off is a good thing
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shinfang:
You can check if you got S-OFF or S-ON

by entering bootloader

Power off your phone, then, hold the volume down key and the power key.

You might need to disable fastboot
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prazzo:
I've already installed Rom manager and there's no clockwork recvery installed.

I want to flash custom rom. I need a root to do that. To get a root, i need to downgrade. To downgrade, i need to flash signed pc10img. And there's a warning here that said DONT flash pc10img with S-OFF. That's the problem.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prazzo:
I already did that. Bootloader says VISION PVT SHIP S-OFF. So that means i definitely have S-OFF.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prazzo:
I've learned some more from the post here and there. I think i figured out what happen with my DZ. I think the previous owner rooted and S-OFF the phone in the old firmware 1.34 then got an OTA update to 1.84. That update destroyed the root but somehow still S-OFF.

If I follow the direction in this thread, i assume that i can downgrade and root again. I will not need a goldcard to downgrade because currently i have S-OFF.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=905261

Am i right?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silverwind:
I am not sure whether it will work. But I am curious too.

I once upgrade via OTA and then I downgrade it following the instruction as per your link reference too. I rooted succesfully.

But, my DZ was S-ON.

Now you are in a different situation. You want to downgrade and root it but you already S-OFF.

Do you want to try it? ;)

Cheers
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prazzo:
I guess i have to try it.. will report after trying. Thnks all for the help..
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Noboo:
Your theory on the previous owner having used the over the air update after rooting seems right to me. I've read more than a few times it will still show S-OFF but not be true S-OFF. Because you can't get S-OFF without root (well surely not on the newer 1.82's)
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raitchison:
I'm not familiar with the 1.82 issues (why normal root methods fail on 1.82) but I wonder if temp root works, if you have radio S-OFF and temp root works it might be as simple as:

1. Obtain Temp Root (even Visionary could work)

2. Flash CWM Recovery (I'd use the flash_image method and not ROM Manager)

3. Reboot into CWM recovery

4. ...

5. Profit (Install a new pre-rooted ROM)

Of course this all depends on if temp root works with 1.82 and if your S-OFF is really S-OFF but it seems like a quick & easy thing to try.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prazzo:
I did it guys. It went smooth. Still needs goldcard though due to unmatched CID.

I'm on 1.34, rooted and S-OFF. Next find out ROM that i like most. Any recommendation? it has to be cool and fast..

So i figured that the warning "do not flash signed PC10IMG if you have S-OFF" is before we have the misc_version method. With misc_version "main is older" problem will never occur, provided misc_version done correctly.

Thank you all guys for your help and time especially for those guides starter. You guys are the ones who make this forum SO GREAT!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silverwind:
Congrats :).

The first time I did after rooting was install ROM MANAGER premium version.

There a lot of rom to try with the easiest way..

Good luck:)
[Galaxy S II General] Mitashi:
Hello you all peeps:)

I noticed some weired things happening to my phone. Sometimes when I want to use my phone I need to put in my PIN, never realised what it was.

10 minutes ago I received a text message, i read it and ploooops, my phone was rebooting out of nothing. After that my phone is working again, but watch this:

There's just a part gone, I know it was there before the reboot. Now i realize that i already had this issue a few times before.

Does anybody know where this strange thing come from?

Oh, I am running Litening rom with CF kernel, not sure if i had this issue before flashing the rom.
[Galaxy S II General] iainwillis:
I had exactly the same thing on KE7. My phone rebooted itself at least once a day. I tried uninstalling and disabling all the apps I could think of but nothing resolved it.

Eventually, I performed a factory reset which has resolved the issue - it's now been running for 3 days without a reboot.
[Galaxy S II General] cigaro78:
I had a spontaneous reboot only once - phone was overheating due to well, me messing around :-D

Check if heat is not a problem du to a runaway process
[Galaxy S II General] Mitashi:
The heat is not a issue since it rebooted too when i didn't use the phone.

I deleted some Samsung bloatware too, perhaps that is the problem. Will do a factory reset, but not for now.

Good(?) to hear I'm not the only one with this problem:)
[Galaxy S II General] LyInIa:
Same problem here, but i think it's related with the known bug of "suspend" and events/0 process and there is nothing to do but waiting for a fix :/
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjsooley:
Which Honeycomb port works the best and gives us the best HC experience on the NC?
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Talderon:
None works the best. They are still all early ports and have issues/bugs/inconsistencies.

Try them out and see what you think.
[Xoom General] RadDudeTommy:
I know alot of peoples stance on the SD card, Motorola never officially said when the SD card will work blahblahblah. I don't care. There are three major factors in why I chose the xoom, one it came out around tax time, two it had an SD card, and three it had a 4g upgrade in 90 days. Now the SD card, if anyone remembers correctly wasn't announced nonfumctional till within a week of its launch, I don't exactly know cause I somehow missed that memo until after I purchased my xoom. But regardless of what some people think about it, I expected it within a timely manner. Now with news of the xoom 2 hitting motors site during that slip up, I am to wonder whether our xoom will be outdated before its even got all the features I expected from it.now I know all devises get outdated rather quickly, but when i spent my 800+ on the thing I expected a good 6-12 month period before that would happen. With my lack of 4g and SD card running on stock, it looks like well be outdated when the tab 10.1 releases. Maybe not with a quadcore, or any substantial hardware, but with the features I bought my xoom for over 3 months ago. I do enjoy my xoom, and its bezel is far supirior to any other android tablet out there, but I want my damn features!
[Xoom General] okantomi:
I think you have a right to be disappointed and even angry, because the way things are advertised these days can be very misleading. The biggest issue for you, I think, is the promised 4G conversion...that would be a big one for me. I got a WiFi Xoom only because I aready have a mobile 4G hotspot that works well for me. But I really do sympathize. Do you want to do some of the customizing (rooting/custom kernels...) that can make this a really wonderful device? Or are you trying to stay stock so that the 4G upgrade will not be problemmatic when it happens? Either way, you've got a great device. With Moore's Law and the manufacturers' desire for more and more money, no one will be able to stay on the bleeding edge of this technology for long. Try to regret less and have more fun with your Xoom. Just my 2 cents worth.
[Xoom General] Arizona Willie:
Motorola support

Motorola support is virtually non-existant. They are already selling the Xoom to discount retailers and it is selling on Ebay for $499 ( Wi-Fi model ).

The Motorola support forum is helpful as is this one. But be careful on Motorola.

I got banned for criticizing their lack of support and communication.

If you're a fanboy though you're gold there. :)
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
That's the reason you're going with, huh?
[Xoom General] RadDudeTommy:
I'll be rooting, and I know I could now and enjoy more. My main reason for not originally had been to just make it past the 4g upgrade, but with that possibly taking another 90 days I might look into it sooner. All I really would be rooting for is the SD card, until icecream comes out and we can get some devs to make some custom roms, I really don't have that big a reason 'sides SD, and ocing. Are there any other benefits in doing so? I do have to read up on it all, cause the closest thing I did to rooting was jailbreaking the iPhone (which I did that from day one). I guess I don't really know the point of this thread besides to see if others feel the same, I mean I feel like I was straight lied too. People on here keep saying just because the SD card slot was included doesn't mean we should expect it, well that may be true for a 100$ device, but when you pay as much as some of us, it had better work, and damn fast. But I guess not, and I guess there isn't much that can be done about that. My anger isn't at the Xoom, I love this thing so much even at stock. It simply is directed towards Motorola. I wouldnt have been a hard early adopter to please, just my 4g, my SD, and with 3.1 my face literally would have stayed this way XD for days.
[Xoom General] kurttrail:
What happens is the Motorola fanboys gang bang people with negative opinions of Motorola. They are allowed to personally attack you, but as soon as fight back, Matt starts sending you threats of being banned.

Hell, between how I've been treated in that forum, and the obvious hardware design problems Motorola is having (see work-in-progress Xoom and the back-to-the-drawingboard Bionic), while wasting resources and time on turning Blur into Big Brother and locked bootloaders, I'm never buying a Motorola product again.

Sent from my Bolt
[Xoom General] chbennett:
"Freedom is slavery", right?
[Xoom General] kurttrail:
Freedom to find your own SD card solution.

Freedom from 4g.

Freedom from unlocking bootloaders, except when Google forces them to have an unlockable bootloader.

Sent from my Bolt
[Xoom General] cypherx82:
Ah, the slogans of <strike>Ingsoc</strike> Apple:

o	Freedom is Slavery

o	Ignorance is Strength
[Xoom General] okantomi:
Let me preface this by saying I don't give a damn about Motorola...I followed a link to that forum once and one visit was enough.

However, I think the problem also resides with Google. It's clear that the Xoom hardward supports the external SD card, but for whatever reason, out of the box Honeycomb didn't. The development community enabled it straight away. The manufaturers all want to offer the best specs (and at least the Xoom is well built) but they are operating at the commercial edge of this rapidly changing technology. Still, if they (Moto) make promises they should keep them.
[Xoom General] twinkyz1979:
I don't care who is at fault or who is to blame. When you release a product that has features they all better work and i find this to be BS on both Google and Motorola's part! As for the 4G not being enabled withing 90 days like it was promised we should get something in return for being lied to! Maybe a free camera cable! :)

Motorola builds good quality products but the service and lies are by far starting to outweigh all the good things. If Moto keeps locking down things and going, in my opinion, downhill I will be forced to buy other products that are not of such good quality just to distance myself from all their BS!

As much as I like android and I hate to say this but if things don't change with Google, Motorola, and the rest of the Android manufactures I for one will be going to IOS.
[Xoom General] KerryG:
As the saying goes, don't let the door hit you...
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
How do you figure we're being "lied to"? The parts just ain't there yet- they didn't even- for whatever reason- pass FCC approval 'till very recently, and you're not gonna put an uncertified part on the air unless you wanna get your butt reamed by the Government (i.e., it wasn't gonna happen any sooner).

I'm sure there's some sound technical reasons the Mobicom/Sierra Wireless/etc. cards aren't/weren't ready yet, and considering how new LTE is, and how much battery the technology can gobble up if not properly optimized (and I can only imagine how much *****ing and moaning there WILL be when we finally do get the LTE upgrade :rolleyes:) I think we all should chill a little and be more patient.
[Xoom General] kurttrail:
Considering the obvious incompetence of Motorola promptly fulfilling their obligations to Xoom owners, I think "we all" have paid for the right to no longer be patient with Motorola or its apologists.
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
So, you didn't read a thing I wrote. Gotcha.
[Xoom General] zbee:
best way to say it...hardware is fine, unfortunatly the software still needs fine tuning, i have no problem with asny of this, imaginw a product that was perfect out of the box...hmmm then that would be no fun...well i can think of one that works perfect, a piece of paper and a crayon:)
[Xoom General] kurttrail:
I read your BS excuses and so many other excuses for over 3 months now, and the time where excuses matter is done.

Xoom is still a work-in-progress.

The Bionic went back to the drawing board.

Motorola announces Blur will now nag users about non-Motorola apps battery usage, which is hysterical, since the best battery savings move I ever made on an Android phone is putting a ROM with Blur removed on my Droid 2.

Meanwhile LG and Samsung both have LTE phones, and it's looking more and more likely that Samsung will have the first LTE Tablet.

Not to mention that Asus and xda both beat Motorola to getting a working SD card reader.

Sorry, but Motorola's incompetence is plainly seen, when not seen through the rose-tinted glasses of fanboyism.
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
Unh ... huh. So, you're blaming Moto 'cause their supplier didn't have the LTE parts ready yet for ANYONE- not me, you, or Sanjay Jha himself- to install.

OK.
[Xoom General] kurttrail:
Do you know for certain the LTE card that passed FCC certification last month is destined for the Xoom?
[Xoom General] zbee:
well if you are so dissapointed get another device and i would be happy to take youre peice of "junk" off your hands...offer $50 + P&H :)
[Xoom General] musashiken:
I wasn't talking about Google. Motorola is the one claiming SD card support. Unless Motorola didn't claim it at all in the first place for at least the Xoom 3G and we're all living in some dreamworld.

I remember one of the pieces of paper in my Xoom Wifi box states that SD card support will come in an update in a future far far away. I suppose I should just throw that piece of paper away and forget everything that's happened.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Unfortunately being this is the current developers tablet that mosts devs are using inside Google, I'm pretty sure they don't want sd support from motorola, they would and more then likely are creating their own version.
[Xoom General] kurttrail:
As has already been demonstrated, you don't need Google to get the SD card slot working.

And since the Xoom is only a Google Experience device in the US, Motorola could give the non-US Xooms a working SD card slot.

So Asus beat MOTO to a working SD card reader, and it looks like Samsung is gonna win the 4G race, despite Motorola's months of a head start, and Google special help that goes with manufacturing a Google Experience device.

Motorola is clearly incompetent.

Sent from my Bolt
[Xoom General] Smokexz:
You bought a single tablet by one manufacturer and all of them instantly suck? No wonder HTC has so many fanboys...

Sent from my T-Mobile G1
[Xoom General] p-slim:
You clearly can't read. Moto could create a work around but Google (for obvious reasons) doesn't want a work around. Andy Rubin has stated this is the current Google dev tablet. When Google devs create the source for SD they will implement it and release an update. What is so hard to grasp? My 13 year old cousin can understand this, why can't you? Instead of being a whiny ***** look at it from a different point of view. Otherwise they could've just not put one like LG and Samsung, I for one am happy at least I have the option to root and use SD, where the LG and Samsung tabs dont even have the option. Google tells moto we will have SD support in the future, moto tells us we'll have and SD upgrade in the future. Now no update and you start blaming moto, lmao
[Xoom General] musashiken:
I still don't see the obvious reasons you are talking about. What facts are you basing on? Or are you just saying what you strongly feel?

So far what I see is you inferring from snippets taken from different "sources" that aren't even clear to me. How is that factual or even convincing? You keep saying that Google "doesn't want this" or "Motorola could do this" but where do you get these facts from?
[Xoom General] p-slim:
The obvious reasons are the fact its not in the source code which google has given to the devs. If google hasn't given them the source to build sd then any way you get sd working is your own creation. That's not obvious? Andy Rubin has said that is the house dev tablet many times on video as well, which is why many of us bought xooms because we knew it would be getting updates 1st
[Xoom General] musashiken:
Sigh, you obviously do not read posts. I'm asking from a non technical consumer point of view. People like me are clueless about source codes and stuff. Do you expect everyone who uses a xoom to understand what a source code does or does not have? A large portion of xoom users do not surf XDA like we do. All we have is a booklet in the box that states an update in the future will enable sdcard support. All we are asking is why the lack of anything concrete from Motorola regarding this after so many months.

I seriously do not give a **** about what the honeycomb source consists of because that's for geeks to ponder and argue about. As a consumer, I just want to know when I can use a SD card on my xoom. Is that too much of a thing to ask?

All I know is Motorola promised SD card but so far is not doing anything. Not even simple coming soon on the website. You sprouting Techno bauble is not representative of Motorola's intention since you obviously are not Motorola.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
then its simple, there is no evidence from google in plain black and white for the "everyday consumer" to read that its their fault for the sd not working. so if thats what you're looking for then i can't help you. now you're on a dev forum so i can give you the dev answer by saying its not in the source as many of the other devs have done. i don't expect the regular consumer to know but i do expect anybody who comes to this forum to be able to understand, sorry if thats asking too much. and to be honest the regular consumer doesn't care about the sd slot as 32gbs is more then enough and as apple, LG and samsung have proved, you don't even need to incorporate one into the device.
[Xoom General] kurttrail:
Clearly you can't read. When its a Google experience Tablet, Google obviously has a say. But the Xoom is only a Google experience tablet in the US.

Like Asus, Motorola could enable the SD card reader for those that don't have a Google Experience Xoom, for consumers outside the US.

Reality disagrees with you yet again.

Sent from my Bolt
[Xoom General] Salpula:
I just got the "4G available in your area" email but have yet to hear anything about my 4G upgrade for my xoom. Definitely annoying.
[Xoom General] musashiken:
The consumer's fault? What kind of logic is that? And why do you keep mentioning Google when I keep saying it's Motorola who's the one that marketed future sd support. Motorola should be the one wiping it's own marketing mess ups not Google.

And again you keep assuming stuff. What made you god and declare that regular consumers do not care about sd cards? Isn't this thread proof that there is quite a number of people who are indeed concerned about 4G and Sd card updates??

You seem to think that the number of posts here by many others besides me complaining about Motorola's lack of accountability are figments of your limited imagination.

And Apple? They have never included expandable memory in their gadgets because they make money milking off people who want more memory by selling 64Gb variants of the same thing. How is that proof? Yeah proof that apple knows how to make people waste money.

As for LG, the G-slate doesn't seem that much of a success to me to be proof of anything. Especially when it's not even selling out of US.

And Samsung. What proof is there when the Galaxy Tab 10.1 isn't even launched worldwide yet.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Yes moto sells the product and they know google is working on sd support so yes they advertise it as coming in a future update. I'm not god, only giving you reasons, in all honesty you don't have to listen I'm just proving my point. In the end us arguing back n forth doesn't matter because you still don't have it. If you want to blame moto go ahead but it isn't there fault as google hasn't released source for sd support and moto is waiting for google support instead of creating their own. Proof isn't in sells, proof is in the fact they didn't incorporate one as from a marketing view it wouldn't have increased sells so why waste the time and energy. This thread proves nothing as this is a VERY limited amount of users. If my xoom didn't have sd, guess what I still would've bought it and lg, samsung, and who ever else realizes this. I bought my xoom simply for the fact it what google uses and I will be getting updates 1st. Other then that I could careless about motorola