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[HTC Desire S] hookguy:
Within a few months you'll see these horrendous grey lines across the screen on a white page with the SGS due to the AMOLED screen, I've had a few AMOLED devices and this has happened on all of them - its a probelm with the technology.

In addition, Samsung don't know how to make Android work as well as HTC do. Everything is just so much snappier on an HTC even with a lower spec phone.

And finally the build quality. The Galaxy S feels like a toy. It's plastic and easily scratchable. Its too light to feel premium and everything about it screams lower quality. On the other hand, the Desire S, while heaveir, sits in the hand well, feels solidly built (I feel like I could throw it against a wall and not damage it!) and everything is just that much more premium. It makes a big difference to me personally.

The CPU of the Desire S is also better, although the Galaxy S's GPU is marginally better. There's also more RAM - haven't experienced any slow downs even with stock Sense while previously on my Galaxy S I would get slow downs even with non-Sense Gingerbread and custom ROMs.

Galaxy S also has no flash and a worse camera. Software is worse, although some hardware is better. Oh and battery - with equal usage my SGS would get 1 day on custom ROMs while the Desire S would get about 1.5 if not more days, and thats with stock ROMs. Even better life should be achievable once custom ROMs get up and running for the Desire S!

Good hardware is useless without good software, which I think Samsung don't know how to produce (and even custom ROMs fail)
[HTC Desire S] Blezz:
@hookguy:

LIE! UNCONFIRMED! my desire s hitted the wall already and the battery cover broke including some pieces of the chasis :D
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
thanks for detailed explanation.

i am happy with the build quality, so it doesnt matter too much..

sense is much better than touchwiz... (crap on sgs2 aswell)

i heard abt amoled burns.. when grey lines etc :(

when you had a sgs, did you use the lagfix? maybe that could be why it was slower. with the lagfix, the phone is much faster.
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
im not to bothered about flash , what would like to know is which camera is better for ccamera shots and 720p video recording.
[HTC Desire S] s3s:
I was going to sell my ds and buy sgs but after I saw the build quality I've changed my mind.

Some random thoughts:

DS is not that fast. I fell sense is a bit laggy (or the animation consists of too few fps) but so sgs is (stock Rom, no lag fix etc). When it comes to 3d sgs is faster. I'm waiting for a s-off to try some custom Roms.

I've read too much about amoleds, that's why I picked DS. Don't like the pentile matrix concept.

3.7" is better for usual day use, I find 4" quite big to suit my pocket.
[HTC Desire S] Blezz:
well sgs CAN be better but only with root + lagfix/custom firmware

i have a friend which sgs i bricked and well... when i saw his OEM firmware i only saw LAG LAG LAG... even took sometiems 10 seconds to pull down notifcation bar, i also had decision sgs or desire s and after i remembered those lags it was sure -> ds ;)
[HTC Desire S] netightman:
I think HTC desire s is better, it uses Android 2.1(will be in 2.2)
[HTC Desire S] Blezz:
since when is the desire s using android 2.1? great news, maybe we can root it now with visionary+? :D
[HTC Desire S] ac16313:
Sgs uses 2.3

I've had an AMOLED device since last year no grey line or any degredation of the display.

And for some the plasticy feel is better than added weight like myself.

touchwiz is an optimized version of android for samsung devices plus comparing ui on android is useless since you can switch to different launchers on the market or even use the stock one.

Sense is good but its optimized for htc phones, just like touchwiz.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[HTC Desire S] Blezz:
ac16313 don't simply quote me, u should read before what i quoted ;) i didn't talked about sgs using 2.1
[HTC Desire S] ac16313:
Oh I know what you put lol, I'm just stating that the sgs runs 2.3 ;)

Sent from my SPH-D700
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Will lagfix be a necesarry for samsung sgs or will it lag behind desire s?
[HTC Desire S] Blezz:
well i don't know about all sgs or the latest firmware, my friend had the 2.2 and it really lagged like hell it was impossible to use the phone 50% of the time
[HTC Desire S] hookguy:
Yeah I did root it and installed the lag fix, as well as trying basically every custom Rom on the xda forums

Still not as good as a desire s
[HTC Desire S] hookguy:
You are of the lucky few then, as every amoled device I've owned has suffered from this problem. I'd personally take sharpness and a clear screen over the over saturated colour of an amoled screen any day.
[HTC Desire S] ac16313:
Well I'm glad it made you go for a choice you liked in the end!

I haven't had much time with any other phone but the time I've had with my epic got me used to the screen I love it lol I wouldn't trade it now

Sent from my SPH-D700
[HTC Desire S] Carlosdsv:
I'm also between Desire S and Galaxy S.. but i've read more good reviews and comments about the Desire S than the Galaxy S..

Some of the differences i've notice are:

- Galaxy S have more support in forums but I think this is becouse is an old phone.. Galaxy S has more time in the market than the Desire S.. Also a lot of the forum in the Galaxy S is about problems.. not a good thing

- HTC have better support than Samsung and HTC is lot faster when releasing new updated to their phones.. Samsung doesn't care much about upgrading their OS..

- HTC Sense is very nice and easy to use.. Samsung interfase is too similar to IOS and Galaxy S is very similar to Iphone 3g also..

- Galaxy S have lot of problems with the GPS signal and it seems that it doesnt have a fix.

- HTC is known for it's quality.. Desire S is a very well desing phone, Galaxy S has plastic desing and feels cheap..

I dont have any of these phones.. but ive done my research and those are my conclutions.. I'm planning to but a Desire S too..

I know there are tons of new phones.. but since I'm from Venezuela I have to buy from amazon.com.. and all the new smartphones are 500$ or more.. thats too expensive for me.. I'm looking to buy a mid range phone and I think Desire S is the one to go!

Sorry for my english hehehehe
[HTC Desire S] superkid:
Okay, i will give my one word why if i had the sedition again i would decide the desire s... DESIGN... looks and fell and is better made.
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
i had the same confusion before i got the DS :D

but you mentioned only the advantages of the DS that dosent make it rational ;)

advantages of SGS

-super AMOLED screen (which is better than the S-LCD ,except during reading text)

-the super AMOLED screen means you can set a black background & reduce your battery consumption(but it is at a disadvantage when the screen contains less black)

-it is much lighter and a little thinner (which some people prefer)

-it has a wider selection of roms & a larger dev community

-a larger screen

-slightly faster GPU (the difference isn't very huge though)

-currently easier to root (DS will be rootable soon without XTC clip when alpharev X is out :D)

-better camera(not sure about this)

-more internal storage

-touchwiz

advantages of the DS

-more RAM

-a better battery life(not very sure about this,my friend told this)

-has a LED flash

-optimum weight

-unibody aluminum making it sturdier & adds a good feel in the hand

-the design makes it look better & easier to hold in the hand it also is a little smaller than most 3.7 inch devices

-no need for lag fix (it is very smooth out of the box)

-faster HSDPA

-smaller screen (some people say that it is the optimum size,it is also slightly sharper because of the smaller size)

-sense 2.1

-a new device

-will get more devs once soft s-off is out :D

so overall both the phones are very good & have their advantages & disadvantages the main difference is in the physical design of the two devices so it is a matter of taste

& btw if u hate touchwiz you can always use a different launcher or just use CM7

i chose the DS for more RAM,the unibody aluminum & sense :D
[HTC Desire S] superkid:
Nothing to compare... two GREAT phones... that are totally different

I would say that the DS is for people that wants a good design...

and the SGS is for people that want big screen..

The rest is almost the same in both phones.
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
well, thanx guys for info posted up here., which indeed was helpful yt i'l like to clear a few specific things:

1. is reading text a problem on super amoled and also when u take the difference of screen size 3.7 vs 4.0 " ? ( as i'l be reading quite a bit).

2. will 768 mb ram vs 512 make an appreciable difference ? ( some say galaxy s available ram is further less, so clarification on this will do good too).

also will 1.1 gb vs 16 gb in built memory make a diff as now we can install apps on sd card?

3. of course galaxy s has a better battery, but is desire s battery that worse?

4. is galaxy s gps very bad, as i'v read in a few forums?

5. is htc sense out of the world without any similar app on other android phones?

6. will both phones recieve ice cream sandwich upgrade? does galaxy s being an old phone puts it at a disadvantage ? (how sure can we be on this)

should i wait for sometime, if anything mind blowing is abt to come in near future.

thanks in advance. hope to hear from u guys soon.
[HTC Desire S] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
512mb is fine. I have a Nexus S, but honestly I contemplated the Incredible S for a while. I put them side by side. I have yet to run into memory problems with a 512mb device. Then again I may only be complacent because I came from a 256mb device that felt like a slideshow.

The clarity of SLCD is amazing. Plus, the Inc S and Desire S have AMAZING SLCD screens. Far better than the Sensation too. I'd take SLCD over SAMOLED anyday. Now SAMOLED+ is a different story, but the regular SGS1 isn't that amazing to me.
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks for replying. i'l be glad if u can help me out with other questions as well which i'v mentioned in my previous post.
[HTC Desire S] Droid_Dustin:
i would take the desire s. it's more beautiful than the samsung galaxy s. ^^
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
1. reading on the super amoled is definitely tougher than reading on a s-lcd

2. the extra 256MB RAM does make a difference

the ROM availability is based on preference 1GB is enough if you move apps to SD but some people prefer having more ROM as ROM is faster than sd

3. The galaxy s has a better battery capacity but the super amoled consumes more battery than s-lcd if the display is mostly bright & doesn't have much dark so the battery life can not be compared accurately

4. I am not sure about the gps as I don't use it much,but some people say that the DS isn't very good in gps

5. not sure about this but I don't think you can get sense on a non HTC device through apps or custom roms

6.not sure about this also ,but if I guess I think the DS will get it first
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks for replying.

1. which one will lag less 768 ram + 1.1 gb rom or 512 ram +16gb rom.

2. if not comparing how good is desire s battery. htc claims it to be 430 hrs stand by and 9.5 hrs talktime. (if its true its good i suppose). any idea how long does Desire S battery lasts in reality. (rough idea of course)
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
1.768MB ram + 1.1gb rom i think, not sure

2.with custom roms,2g,wifi off,mobile network off & gps off i am able to get around 400hrs standby ,on stock ROM with same settings i get around 200hrs of standby
[HTC Desire S] hardstuffmuc:
I have to ask... Why would you have your DS or any other smart machine on standby for 200 hours? Fact is that my DS gets me through the day without worrying to run out of power, and I use it when I need it for Internet, BT Music, playing games and of course telephoning..

The DS's size is perfect to carry around...my old HD2 felt actually just too big!

I am very pleased with the DS, in particular with a custom ROM, I use the Virtuous Unity one and the DS runs like a charme... Also, intensive surfing the net and reading is no prob at all...
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
lol i didnt let it on standby for 200hrs, i left it in standby for 12hrs & calculated how long it would take to drain 100%

i said the standby because each person uses the device differently & the standby time is a good way to tell how good the battery is

but it is true that the battery lasts me through a day even with heavy use
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
well guys, i'l not be rooting my phone( not until its covered by manufacturer's warranty).

@ kartkk : if on stock room its abt 200 hrs , that means less than half what htc claims. :(

@ hardstuffmuc:

1.dude, had kartkk not tested his phone's battery on stand by., i wud have blindly believed htc claim of 430 hrs of stand by time. and now i'v a reason to doubt their talktime claim as well. :(

2.how did ur desire s performed before you started using custom rom.

and guys is there anything great expected in market in near future for which i should wait.
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
@kartkk: how did ur battery do before u got on with custom rom?
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
when your screen is on ,the display is the main battery drainer & this can not be reduced by custom ROMs,so the usage time with screen on is affected only a little after installing custom ROM ,but the device is much faster, customizable & you can install a stock RUU if you want to send your device for warrenty
[HTC Desire S] hardstuffmuc:
Battery has always been fine since I got my DS, but it is even better now with custom ROM...

As I said before... battery is absolutely sufficient to get you through the day! And I expect a smartphone to be able to handle a normal day with essential features like 3G and regular syncing on, as well as WiFi.. rather than to have basically all of them off just to get maximum running time :-)

Attached a pic from today where I was online most of the time surfing with screen on... not bad I'd say! ;-)
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks guys, ur replies really helped.

one more query, is the screen size 3.7" good for reading books.

@kartkk : if i root it and then go back to stock ruu., u mean no one can( in this case manufacturer) find out that i'v rooted the device before. correct me if i'm wrong.
[HTC Desire S] saintlee:
htc is way better than samsung , build quality and sense ui.:)
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
i worry abt the smaller screen aswell, as i come from devices with large screens...

yes when you go back stock the manufacturer cant tell :)

i have been in the same dilema as you, but yesterday took the plunge for the ds over sgs , and mine shall be here monday :)

cant wait!
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thats grt if manufacturer cant tell. :)

dude, i know it mit be repetition of things, but can u in short give ur pros and cons in deciding for desire s.

i'stil in dilemna. :(
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
@ olyloh6696 : how much did it cost u there ?
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Well as other ppl have quoted abt physical specs, they are superior to sgs, amd just to clarify things, the ds has better battery than sgs! (its smaller but last longer, due to small screen etc)

When i receive my ds tommorow, ill post a proper pros and cons list basednon my personal expeirence :)

Depends where abts your from... I picled mine up for an absolitely amazong deal...(uk)

Phone cost me £14.99 , i pay £25 a month on a 1 uear contract..

Plus i get up to £50 cashback + nhs discount..

So the phone cost me around just £200 all for a:

Desire s , 300mins, 1000texts, 1gb data :)

You see i couldnt say no to that ;)
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks dude. i'l be waiting for ur review.

well i'm from india, asked price out of curiosity.
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
The price of the DS in India is around 22400

You should go to a store which has a live demo piece & compare both the phones in your hand & see what you like more ,you can't go wrong both the phones are good & it is mostly a matter of preference

I personally prefer the DS over the sgs because it fella better in my hands & because of the sense UI & also because I don't like touchwiz much
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks kartkk

i'v seen galaxy s, it looks good. ya i'm planning to visit a store soon to have a feel of desire s.
[HTC Desire S] :
For me, if you would translate Samsung from Korean to English it would mean '****ed up ****'

So is the sgs 1 and 2. Both plastic crap

(L) htc desire s
[HTC Desire S] MarlX:
Go for Samsung. I know I have a DS but if I can turn back the time I'll definately will not choose DS.
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks guys,

it will be really helpful if u can specify the reasons( galaxy s pros and desire s cons) for u wanting galaxy s rather than desire s, after u'v had a first hand exp with desire s.
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
sorry for late reply, but i cant do a review as the damn phone hasnt been sent!!! :/

i just got a email that the phone has just been registered and on its way now....

so i wont get my phone tonight :(

it should have come today, as i ordered it friday :( i'll get a quick review up as a comparisin to the sgs (will use my friends sgs )
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks oly. i 'l be looking forward to it. :)
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Phone arrived yesterday.. throughly impressed. Cannot recommend this phone more than anything.. sense is just..amazing.

Blows touhwiz out of the water. Now I reliaze why sense is better than touchwiz .

When I got the phone, everything just works put the box. No need for lag fixes etc, sense just runs incrdobly smoothly and fast!

Batterylife is abzoultuly fantastic!!! Even on first charge and on stock ROM, it lasted me 6hrs intense usage, syncing apps, downloading etc!

I expect it to get better aswell, when it calibrated, and as I use the phone less.

I. A

Can only highly reccomend this over the sgs. No doubt about that!

Makes my dislike even the sgs2 and tab now lol. Sense, is just amazing!

Sorry for the quick review (on phone) will post a better one web online in abit
[HTC Desire S] kartikk:
nice :D

i get the feeling that you will be impressed even more with a sense 3.0 ROM :)
[HTC Desire S] ste1164:
I have had both and the desire s is much better. It has better build quality better camera and sense. Touchwiz 3.0 is a bit crap. Only thing letting the desire s down is the screen and its not as powerful as the sgs graphics wise. Other than that I think you will be more than happy with the desire s.
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Agree with you there! Sense > touchwiz )even 4.0!

And super amoldmed plus is better than super lcd
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
:D look forward to it!
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
thanks for sharing oly. waiting for ur "better " review. :)
[HTC Desire S] abhi615:
hey guys, there has been a development., i'v been going through forums a lot and came across nexus s(20k) and motorola defy(15k). jus want to ask if buying any one of them will be good as it will save me few bucks., in fact lot of bucks in case of defy. i'l not be rooting my phone soon.. help needed guys.
[HTC Desire S] ste1164:
I would go for the nexus myself. It's stock android and faster than the defy. Also if you decide you do want to root your phone there is a whole host of roms available.
[HTC Desire S] qqppqpqp:
no,i believe DS better,galaxy has poor resolution
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zeketr:
hey guys,

i have looked everywhere, especially here, and couldn't find a solution.

i have recently upgraded to LeeDroid, and since then i am experiencing battery drain issues. here is the list of the things i tried:

re flashed after complete WIPE (with the .zip file)

re flashed after complete WIPE without restoring from backup

calibrated the battery

worked with current widget - keep seeing 40mA and above even during the night ?!?

worked with Spare Parts - keep getting FC when trying to view battery information

i have the matching Radio and RIL!

when i check the battery usage in the settings menu, i see that phone calls are just behund display

try to change the network type from WCDMA prefered to GSM/CDMA (PRL) kept getting 3G but no improvement on battery life

'where is my droid power' shows the phone at the top with 7.19% sometines its HTC Sense with ~5%

please please tell me what i need to do? i find it hard to believe that a custom ROM takes more battery then the stock ROM, i mean - whats the point?!?

highly appreciate it!!

Roy.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tamen:
Is this battery drain showing even before restoring your apps (or any data)? If so, try a different rom but it's possible the battery is on it's way out.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zeketr:
well, to be honest i haven't tried flashing and installing the apps one one of thats what you mean...

battery out? meaning dying? i bought the damn thing brand new 2 months ago, when i was on stock Froyo - was perfect...

p.s. i havent restored the apps from backup - manually installed one by one...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tamen:
Install the rom and don't install any apps, and see what your drain is like. If it's fine, install apps one by one and see if any problems arrive.

If straight away the battery is bad try some different roms (with the correct radio - very important) and try a stock (but rooted) rom.

If it was fine on froyo and has only arisen since installing a custom rom the battery itself is probably fine then.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zeketr:
yeah i guess that the only way to be sure... to install one by one...

ok man, thanks a lot!!! i was also wondering if there is an app i havent tried yet that maybe can pinpoint me to the source of the problem...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawks556:
Discuss battery problems here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=819266
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NeoS:
Like ^ He said.

Closed.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Esteway.619:
Just wanted to know how many of you guys use a mac.

I use a mac and I wanted to know what tricks, tips u guys have to work with your epic 4g :)
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dulanic:
Don't most use an iphone lol. Sorry I have an issue with most stuck up iphone users.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silver03wrx:
My tip is too trick someone into buying your mac and get on a win 7 machine. Lol just kidding never even used a mac
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] readingkeeper:
I use a Mac with my Epic. I hate to use the cliche, but everything just seems to work...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Esteway.619:
Whats a cliche?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] readingkeeper:
An overused phrase.
[HD7 General] ruyzalim:
Hello my camera of the hd7 just stop working, wen i press the camera button apears a black screen then automaticaly goes to start screen , any ideas how can i solve this problem ?

Thank you very much!
[HD7 General] Peter V8:
You can´t

I had the same problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs_nJu7vciw

I simply returned it to my mobile provider and i´ve got a brand new one. No questions asked. Waranty is such a cool thing if you got one.

Normaly there is atleast 1 year waranty on that phone (EU-law)

Regards

Peter
[HD7 General] ruyzalim:
Well i have no waranty :( i upgraded my phone to 32giga sd card any help is welcome!

Thank you
[HD7 General] Peter V8:
Downgrade it back to 8 Giga and just hope that the waranty is not expired.

Thats how i can help you. There is no other way.

Just hope they will not notice that you messed with the phone. If you did a nice clean job with the card excange than you possibly have good chances.
[HD7 General] Quint8:
If you search on here there are directions regarding this problem. It involves removing the back cover around the camera and snapping the camera module back into place. Same thing happened to me and that fixed it for me.