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[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] braczkowski:
My wife should not have a cell phone. She lost her first phone, made an insurance claim, got her new phone then immediately found her lost one. She broke the screen on her new one, made another claim, then broke the screen on the next new one the day after she got it, now she thinks I'm gonna get her an evo to replace her broken heroes. I'm wondering if there its any way to clear the esn on her original lost one that we found?
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kyouko:
LOL xD

When you say clear, do you mean erase the esn? Or get it clear as in clean so you would be able to use the phone?

For the latter, you would have to call sprint and see if the ESN is clean first (if you haven't already), if not you'd have to go thru them to get it cleared (not sure what that process is, you'll have to ask them)...But odds are that since you made an insurance claim for it being lost, the ESN will be reported as "bad"

Call them and see what your options are.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] braczkowski:
Yeah, sorry about the ambiguity there. IM sure it probably is reported as bad as well, I meant get it clean so I can activate it again unless there is a away to erase it and give it a new one, but something tells me there is a legality issue there.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PMGRANDS:
Get a App called MSL Reader, then look up what you can do with the Code MSL Reader Provides! I know it has something to do with Switching ESN numbers or something along the lines of Unlocking your phone!

Good Luck!

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[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] user7618:
Yes, changing esn numbers is illegal. Asking how to will get your thread locked down, and maybe even a visit from a mod. Just a word to the wise.

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[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] braczkowski:
Figured such was the case. Did however find an "educational purposes only" thread when searching about msl codes as pmgrands suggested but it seems way over my head, thanks guys.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] braczkowski:
Well we are good now, ended up taking both phones apart and changing screens since the warranty was voided by rooting and what not anyways.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] user7618:
Are we starting a pool on how long this one lasts? :D

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[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] braczkowski:
She better not break it this time, I swear if she does... She swears up and down it had something to do with being a refurbished phone and not an oem piece of glass, personally I think she's a little crazy cuz I've had mine for months now and haven't broken it, and it's taken some licks.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shattar01:
hey guys dont mean to but in here im just curious. why do you say it is illegal to swap esn's? from my research and the federal laws and regs that i have read it is legal as long as you arent intentionally trying to defraud someone so say i wanted to get a phone hooked up with cricket and the phone i have cant be found in the system i could change the esn so cricket can recognize it. am i wrong? I keep seeing people say its illegal but nothing to back that up. the only law i can find that deals with esn swaps is Title 18 U.S.C. Section 1029: With regard to 1029(a)(1) in order to be in violation of the statute, you have to satisfy all of the following;

1) Use a counterfeit access device

2) Do it knowingly

3) Do it with the intent to defraud

anybody know something different?
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] braczkowski:
I think in your case it might be OK, but in my case it would usher been considered fraudulent since I was trying to reactivate a phone I claimed as list to the insurance company. Not sure though , it sounds like you've done way way more research on it than I have.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michiel21:
is there a program like msl reader for samsung devices
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
This thread is to discuss CarrierIQ with its current capabilities. It is not to debate the performance benefits that may or may not occur when it is removed.

We all know that CarrierIQ currently does not log any information, but logging and transmission can be activated at any time without user notification.

The objective of this thread is to discuss user privacy and safety. We all agree that a carrier has the right to gather reasonable metrics about their network. The question at hand is does a carrier have the right to use a software package as potentially invasive as CarrierIQ.

Please do not engage in flaming or a thread war. Respect eachothers opinions and share your own.

EDIT: 6/5/2011 1:18PM EASTERN TIME

EDIT 6/5/2011 2:32PM EASTERN TIME
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
yes they do. just like you have the right to not buy a cellphone from them.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
they have the /right/ to do whatever you sign a contract allowing them to do...
[Epic 4G General] Shoulon:
That include a no contract phone? I recall only signing for my unlimited everything plan. And ovbiously the terms of use and blabla.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
willing to bet its in the terms of use about analysis of usage patterns and so on and so forth
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
I'm sorry, I must of missed where in the contract that it states they can have access to your contacts list, calendar information, user names and passwords of webpages you visit, the content of your text messages, and much much more.

Can you provide a link to that clause in the contract?
[Epic 4G General] southpark-droid:
it would be in the terms and conditions of service.
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
They did not disclose that this spyware was on the phone when I signed a 2 year contract. The capabilities of this software are a blatant violation of privacy. Don't think just because the law has not caught up with technology that it is not.
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
When you ship something overseas, customs has the right to examine that shipment. Is that a violation of privacy? I don't remember signing an agreement etc etc.

People grossly misunderstand rights, and there are better battles to be fighting than whether a machine is processing and dumping your sexts somewhere. But I guess life must be pretty easy and sweet if this battlefield is your top priority.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
remember if you take the phone off their network, they cant track anything.. they have the right to do as they see fit as long as you are on their network.... regardless, dont like it, dont use the network.
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
Custom's is a government agency and the governments of each country had to create laws to specifically allow customs agents to inspect packages. Wireless carriers are NOT governments.

I believe carriers HAVE THE RIGHT to collect metrics to improve and protect their networks. CarrierIQ has that ability. BUT, CarrierIQ as implemented in Sprint's Android phones also has the ability to monitor, read and transmit your contact list, your calendar, your pictures with geo-tagging information embedded (remember, the FROYO release took away your ability to disable geo-tagging photo's), it keylogs so it has the ability to transmit the page you visited along with your user name and password. These are NOT things that a carrier has a right to be able to know. Whether CarrierIQ is currently logging this information or not, NO carrier has the right to install software on a phone that with a simple command has the ability to be that invasive.
[Epic 4G General] CrfEpic4g:
YES but when your shipping its for security make sure your not transporting illegal merchandise its completely different
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
/End Discussion :p

Quote by SYMS "An educated consumer is our best customer"
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
I have thoroughly read the above information and the context they are used in. No where, absolutely no where does the information they refer to consist of the information that CarrierIQ has access to.

Sprint is very specific about the types of personal information they may collect.

Yes, they are allowed to know the websites you go to.

No, they are not allowed to know your username and password.

CarrierIQ gives them this ability as it is implemented in their Android phones.

Yes, they are allowed to know how ofter you text, the size of your texts and if it is sent to someone in or out of Sprint's network.

No, they are not allowed to know the exact content of that text message.

CarrierIQ gives them this ability as it is implemented in their Android phones.

Yes, they are allowed to know the how many calls you make, how often you make calls and for how long.

No, they are not allowed to know what information in your contacts list is associated with that number.

CarrierIQ gives them this ability as it is implemented in their Android phones.

Yes, they are allowed to know you take pictures with your phone.

No, they are not allowed to know where you take those pictures and have access to those pictures.

CarrierIQ gives them this ability as it is implemented in their Android phones.

No, they are not allowed to know what is in your calendar.

CarrierIQ gives them this ability as it is implemented in their Android phones.

No, they are not allowed to know what you do with your phone when off their network, such as when using WiFi.

CarrierIQ gives them this ability as it is implemented in their Android phones.

No, they are not allowed to know EVERYTHING you type on your hardware or software keyboard when creating word processing documents.

CarrierIQ gives them this ability as it is implemented in their Android phones.

The capabilities of CarrierIQ as implemented on Sprint's Android phones goes far beyond the rights of a carrier to protect, patrol and improve its network. The capabilities of CarrierIQ goes far beyond reasonable interpretation of the legal agreement. CarrierIQ as it is implemented on Android phones is a direct violation of personal privacy.

Why am I stirring up this storm? It is not because my life is so simple, free and easy that this is my top priority. It is because history has taught us that this is just the start. If we as customers do not voice our dissatisfaction now it will only get worse, more invasive.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
here it is.
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
"We can take any action to: (1) protect our network, our rights and interests, or the rights of others; or (2) optimize or improve the overall use of our network and Services."

that pretty much covers anything that isn't illegal.

they have the right to charge for tethering and they have the right to use Carrier IQ.

i have the right to tether for free and disable Carrier IQ

they have the right to terminate my contract if they find out.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
i think you have a gross misinterpretation of /allowed/... who says? why are they not allowed to do these things? first off, if you read the full thing like you said you did, there is no inclusive list of what they can or cannot, do or do not monitor or analyse. further more, you sound like you either know more than a lot of people about carrieriq or you are talking out of your ass on its capabilities....
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
1. Lets keep this thread on topic and keep the tethering debate out of it.

2. "We can take any action to: (1) protect our network, our rights and interests, or the rights of others; or (2) optimize or improve the overall use of our network and Services."

--- Does not give them the right to deeply invade ones privacy, expose them to the possibility of identity theft or create an environment that may endanger the customer or his/her family. The quoted portion gives them the right to protect their network and gather private information bound by what is legally considered "within reason". The following are not "within reason" in the eyes of the judicial system.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
first, i would like you to show something backing that they are not allowed to do what you claim they can... then... show something supporting they can even do that that with CIQ? otherwise you are wasting your breath...
[Epic 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
The full capabilities of ciq using the ciq app have been posted with the sr thread. Options in the settings menu show it pools a keylogger, as well as other personal data that by computer definitions place this as a trojan virus. So there is nothing more that anyone needs to prove to you. I truly hope you receive a check from ciq as hard as your trying to prove both ciq and sprints policy of implementing it are perfectly ok. If not your level of dedication to them blows me away. You sound nothing less than a lobbyist and an attorney. Some of the biggest scum in the u.s. We own the headsets and therefore removing such virii are completely our decision and there is nothing you, sprint, or the 3rd party collection agency ciq can do about it. Ciq in its simplest form is a huge free customer service questionnaire, in its worst form ours a dormant trojan virus awaiting activation to collect personal information that it tags to the end user to profile your thoughts and movements whether it be for a marketing reason or a big brother type profiling. Don't think for a second this information isn't being compiled for government agencies to profile you they already do it when you use many other methods of internet browsing and communication. Bottom line is if you care, remove it. If you don't care leave it no harm no foul. Finally your pushing to steer the thread to what its not for I dont believe you have the slightest clue on the extent of what ciq is nor the knowledge to figure it out all you have to do is run a logcat and see it in plain english pool and print the contents of every sms gmail gtalk etc your phone receives before your phone notifies you that you received anything.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
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[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
no actually i know exactly what it is, and to what extent it monitors, logs and sends. and the fact that none of it is enabled. i have a noCIQ rom in the dev section, k0nane gave me some guidance in finding some things out and i went from there. but, the point is, the people in here arguing DO NOT know its capabilities, or its functions, nor do they realize even before it was removed it was disabled. the service was running, and maybe sprint could enable it at anytime remotely? but regardless it was disabled.

second, about where im going with this thread? its about whether they have the right, which is what im talking about, not the removal which is where you are pushing it... they have the right, unless someone can show otherwise, which ive shown the agreement which we all agreed to, that says they can.

I dont like it, so i remove it. Im not a proponent of ciq, but bottom line, their network, their right...

oh.. and yes.. not an attorney but i am a paralegal, so am i still scum?
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
While I do agree that ciq is bad and is not needed I don't think Chris is trying to take up for sprint or anyone. He is just making a point that it is not illegal and sprint is allowed to use carrier iq if they wish. That's all.

"The greatest respect you can earn is self respect" Louie Simmons
[Epic 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
I was referring to plenty of post where he states it's for protecting the network and we are in violation of contacts by removing it. Hes posted on this in other threads
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
sorry, ive never said either of those comments... link pls...
[Epic 4G General] squshy 7:
Yeh this discussion is moot. They never define "personal information" in the last paragraphs, yet do state they reserve the right to collect it, thus ANY personal information is free game. The only way you can argue they don't have the right to collect, say, what you type in a memo for instance, is if the arguement landed in court. Then a judge would deem what acceptable personal information is. Until then, it can be whatever they want it to be.

Just because you don't want to agree with it doesn't mean its not right there in front of you.
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
ACS discovered CIQ

How do we know its not theirs?

I also remember someone from acs saying "We taking overrrr" and then they said "nevermind that was a bad inside joke" I think in th gb leak

Also, they don't like to releasethings until they've had their time with it...they get mad at samsung for not dropping sauce but they hold their sauce and release them when they take ciq off or whatever.

But if its real then no. I feel they should only b able to collect thins like the size of messages. Not detailed info

But w/e just my $.02
[Epic 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
I stand corrected, I quoted the wrong person. I mixed your post here with a different person from the ciq is bull**** thread all apologies two you. Being a normal attorney or paralegal, no your not scum! Lobbyist and attorneys who write ambiguous clauses into into contracts to confuse the average person into signing their right to privacy away definitely is. this was an epic fail on my part and once again I apologize for putting words into your mouth. The off topic I was referring to is the op is looking for truth of what ciq is not if he agreed to have it on the device or not.in any case disregard my previous rant!
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
gtfo... it is def real.. i have been all through the framework, this is not about ACS vs anyone or w/e.. i respect k0nane to the fullest, he helped me a lot. the **** is real, and it has capabilities, they were disabled. removal.. imo anyway was a good thing for battery life and performance. but the paranoia was a ****storm of propaganda.

no worries dreams, this entire thread is /derailed and moot at this point anyway
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
There should be a 3rd option in the poll for yes and no. They have a right to load whatever they want on the phone, and I have the right to take it back off. I think they should also officially disclose what the programs capabilities are as well - including source code.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
if the poll read SHOULD carriers have a right, it might have come down a little different..
[Epic 4G General] squshy 7:
Thisssss +a lot

People have a hard time differentiating between SHOULD and CAN. Same reason why people bet on their hometown team even when theyre clearly outmatched. Its hard for alot of people to keep feelings and logical assessments separate. So I dont know of even an all capital spelling of "should" would have done the trick lol
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
It's a listed software in the .rdf description. Check it out yourself.
[Epic 4G General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
When trees are arguing about things they know not of, with the arguments of peons, in the middle of the forest, can you still hear them?

Wait, I think I messed that analogy up.. lol
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
There is currently no case law directly on point because the law has not caught up with technology. However, if I'm not mistaken I believe you said somewhere in here that you were a paralegal so you should be able to use Lexus Nexus and look up relevant case law on electronic privacy that could arguably make my point.
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
For disclosure purposes I fully admit I am NOT a developer. I do not create ROM's nor have I ever removed CIQ from a ROM. The information I have posted has been provided to me by 3rd party sources. Unfortunately I can not release their documentation at this time. I ask that each member in this discussion to please provide any information they feel comfortable providing on CIQ that either supports or disputes the capabilities I have posted. Also, please provide any links to other sources you may wish to.

I am asking this because I do not wish this thread to become an argument over theory and supposition of what CIQ is or isn't capable of.
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
I love being pedantic, so I'll just throw in an extra bit:

People love not knowing what the word SHOULD means in the first place, or that it's a form of the word SHALL, which is very similar to the word WILL, which has a similar form WOULD.

We've just sort of groupthinked the word 'should' over the generations to something like...ought. Maybe. I dunno, I haven't actually looked into the word ought. Fun to say though.

/caps for emphasis ftw!
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
Yes, you can destroy any comparison between two situations by saying they aren't 100% identical, and utterly miss the point of making the comparison in the first place (something which is, frankly, very popular on these forums--look up any analogy and you're bound to find a response saying "BUT THEY AREN'T THE SAME THING"--derp).

The point was comparing two apparent violations of 'privacy' and pointing out that there were reasons behind them. Security and quality of service are two different things, but in terms of what you have to right to subvert and circumvent, may as well be equal in the eyes of the law.

The far more relevant fact is that not one single farkin' person in this or any other CIQ thread has the motivation to find out the name of even one of their state representatives, let alone write a letter to their congressman or anybody with any authority whatsoever to proactively fight against this apparent invasion of their rights, instead preferring to support hackers and debate in ultimately irrelevant web forum conversations.

If you oppose something, think it's illegal, or think it's just wrong, actually get up and do something about it. Heck, you don't even have to get up. The internet has made working with your government and the media easier than it has *ever* been, but the only thing that's actually exploded in the information age is petty ranting in quiet, unwatched corners such as this.

Write a letter already. Jeez.
[Epic 4G General] Tbtltdts:
I did. Sent an email to my state rep. Also sent an email to News Center 13here in florida explaining the capabilities on Ciq. Haven't seen or heard anything in response other than an automated reply from cfnews saying they would look into and investigate. But I don't think the combines IQ at either one exceeds 50. And rick scott is a waste of space. Lol I have removed Ciq. My choice. Just as now ifsprint finds out they have choice to cancel contract
[Epic 4G General] twolostminds:
One of my purposes of this thread is to bring to light the full potential of CIQ. There are many very intelligent, very experienced developers on XDA and I am hoping they will take the time to provide information on what they have learned about CIQ. It was also created to gauge the Samsung Epic users feelings on just how invasive CIQ is as implemented in the Epic.

As for contacting representatives on a state and federal level as well my state attorney's office, I have. I urge anyone who is concerned about CIQ to do the same.

United States House of Representatives

United States Senators of the 112th Congress

Also contact directly the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Privacy who are investigating Apple & Google's invasion of consumer privacy.

I will be the first to admit that I am not a great orator or writer. I would like to ask the forum members who feel that CIQ as it is implemented is too invasive and should be removed. Maybe a paralegal?? I believe all carriers have the right to protect their network, gather metrics and improve services for their customer base. There are many ways for a carrier to do this but CIQ as it is implemented in Android phones is far too invasive.