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[About XDA developers] MongooseHelix:
Wow, the tone of your post and the lack of understanding for how this affects members are more frustrating than the issue itself. Maybe we came across as whiny but that was not my intention in the least. I personally just wanted to give some feedback on the change. What I gather from MikeChannon's post is that a change was needed due to the large size of this master, unsorted list of reported posts where the mods had to find what was relevant to their forums. I understand the importance of the mods, appreciate that they've volunteered, and know their time is valuable which is exactly why making it easy for all members to easily report issues to them is essential. This change feels like a poorly thought out and convoluted "fix" that will discourage the reporting of posts by new and previously committed members.

I would bet money that there have been far fewer posts reported under this new structure and it wouldn't be because the rules are suddenly being followed. In fact, I would say the number of belligerent/rude/demanding/junk posts is only increasing and needs to be cleaned up which will require a post reporting system that works smoothly for both mods and members and is agreeable to everyone.

As you say, the forum mods are listed at the bottom of the forum's thread list...but it doesn't do me much good when inside a thread and wanting to report a post. Since they are known/listed for each forum though, why can't they be listed on the report post screen? Or better yet, automatically fill in a PM with the appropriate forum mods as the recipients and a link to the post that we want to report since that is easily known as it is done with quoting.

I'm interested in what the forum mods themselves think about all of this since they are the ones actually getting the PMs. Do they find it to be less work/easier than before? Do they get a proper post link and a decent explanation? Sorry for the long post.
[About XDA developers] doktornotor:
Oh... there is actually a topic on this. I will be blunt:

- overcomplicated, overengineered, confusing like hell and plain sucks goat's nuts. People get lost in the options, and some of those redundant options sending people to check Google docs for a list of moderators is just a WTH. Why on earth Google Docs, why is it not a plain HTML here on the site and why should anyone check manually for a moderator when the forum DB already has that information available to assign the moderation rights?

If you felt the need to add code to stock vBulletin since the bundled moderating functionality was not fitting your complex needs, either code it properly and completely, or do not code it at all. Do not send me to GDocs to look up a moderator.

Grrrrh.

To add something constructive here, all it takes is a freaking improved DB select hacked into the vB report post functionality. Like, where forum is X and offense type is Y and ... blah (whatever criteria you need), then take the post's $URL (which you already have in stock functionality since someone clicked on the ! in the post) and send it to the appropriate moderator via PM.
[About XDA developers] hallstevenson:
Just to clarify, when I said this

that's what I was referring to. It isn't ideal though...
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
In total agreement here

I'm sorry, but saying it's just a 'little bit of work' to report a post is a gross understatement.

I am a moderator on several forums (one is very large, like this one, and chatty, with a varied, opinionated membership, just like this one), and I know, for a fact, how difficult it is to deal with reports. However, they are the key to keeping things civil on a forum. Is your membership large? Absolutely. Then bring on more staff. That is the only way to handle this, it isn't by crippling the report system. Now, with this new system, making a member jump through hoops to report things means they won't - if that's your goal, then you have succeeded marvelously. Really? Is that really what you want? I can't believe that, but from the tone of the answers from moderators here it would seem to be the goal.....
[About XDA developers] doktornotor:
Thanks. I would like to elaborate on this. We had a working workflow and procedure. Now, we have manual hack at best, which makes the process annoying to the point that people simply will not bother. Let me explain what I mean.

Say - you are a vendor and write some nifty application. Since you want your users to report bugs to improve it, you include a function that produces a pop-up when the application encounters fatal error/crashes. In there, you let users fill in (optional) comment and their email contact, and then you submit the crashdump automatically to bugs@vendor

Now, the application becomes immensely popular and bugs@vendor email becomes a mess. What to do?

Well, what you should do is to improve the crash reporting code so that it gets smarter. Say, you let your users fill in a survey letting them select from multiple-choice list of options about what they were doing when the crash occured etc., maybe do some intelligent automated parsing of the crash log and - according to their answers and the analysis - you send the crashdump only to the people resposible for that part of the code that is involved.

What you absolutely should NOT do: Abandon the nice automated crash reporting and tell users something like: "Oooooh, I crashed. Never mind we already have the info related, we are getting too many reports, so in case you want to report this so that it would eventually get fixed, go, move your lazy ass, dig up the crash dump, find a relevant part of it pertinent to the crash, then go to our website, download a DOC with a list of developers, find the one responsible for the part of the code involved and report it to him via email."

Generally noone will bother since it is way too much work to do. Additionally, the few reports that you still get will miss vital info (such as the crash dump), will get mis-sent since people suck at searching for relevant developer. That is NOT an improvement, that is actually a huge step back.
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
An eloquent enhancement to my point, doktornotor. Thank you.
[About XDA developers] MongooseHelix:
Just wondering if this is a dead issue as far as the mods are concerned. I'd at least like to hear an actual response/explanation for the issues raised here. Both responses so far have avoided the real problems. It worries me about the future of XDA if this change really was thought to be the best solution to the "reported issue" master list being large and unsorted. Also, telling us it's now on us to do a *little* more work and play secretary for the forum is a cop out and will result in people to not report anything and allow the increasing flame wars to become much more prominent.
[About XDA developers] hallstevenson:
I suspect this is the case. I haven't went through the steps to "report" a post since this change. As I mentioned above, I started to 2 or 3 times and then gave up. Call me "lazy", but it's too much effort.... :(

I will say that I frequently used the function, mainly to get non-development questions/threads moved to the appropriate forum. Not any more...
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
This frustrates and saddens me for the reasons you and others have outlined. Unfortunately running a forum means dealing with all of these issues on the admin/mod side - this really seems as though they've just decided it's too much work. Rather than just throw their hands up in the air, they need to bring on staff. Also, come up with an infraction system (automated), with points assigned to each infraction, once a threshold is reached, a ban is put into place that lasts for a specified period of time. We're doing this right now on Backyard Chickens (don't laugh, it's a huge forum with 95,000 members, chicken people can be quite unruly :D). If any mod or admin wants the notes on our system I'd be happy to share them, we're hopeful it will cut down on our work there.

Reports are a pain, but it's the only way you can keep your finger on what's going on, if users find it too difficult to do, they won't.
[About XDA developers] doktornotor:
+1 on this

(And ROTFLMAO @ unruly Backyard Chickens :D)
[About XDA developers] svetius:
The new RP system was designed to make it easier for our mods to action on the most important issues by reducing the noise and sheer number of RPs, while secondarily sharing a bit of the work with the membership. This is a community, certainly, and we all take part in the efforts to keep it moving smoothly. Each and every mod is a volunteer who moderate out of a true passion for the site and for mobile development, they do the best they can.

Now, we're also flexible and willing to change should anyone have a specific suggestion that would still achieve the goals above while making RPs less cumbersome for members. We can't let members *easily* report anything, anytime, because guess what happens...hundreds of RPs flow through, and the important ones get lost because of this. In our previous system, all it took was a simple click and a post was reported. That got taken advantage of.
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
But you don't address the fact that now people aren't going to bother. There were pictures in the Post Your Home Screen thread I tried to report, but I gave up - and I'm not a stupid user - that's obviously the way you guys want it now. Sad, I guess the concerns raised here are falling on deaf ears.
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
You say you tried, but gave up? What did you try? What made you give up? Just curious...
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
Trying to find the mod for the forum, mainly, in that huge google doc, using Firefox find, and then going back getting to the PM screen, copying and pasting links, etc - it's just too much work, and I'm pretty good with this stuff (I am not the only one who has said this in this thread, there's a post a few pages back that explains it pretty well, but he was basically told tough tookies :rolleyes:). I'm sure there are other people here who don't want to see graphic anal sex, or see discussions about banging her so hard against the headboard, etc. You can't keep a civil flow and make it difficult to report that kind of stuff. Yes, I know, I'm in a vast minority here - I'm old, I'm a woman, but really, this just shouldn't be happening - and when it's allowed, or made to be difficult to deal with, more and more of it will happen, it gives the impression that you just don't care..
[About XDA developers] hallstevenson:
I suspect that XDA succeeded with the first part but the second part is failing miserably. Is that the case ? I'm all for HELPING the site and keeping things tidy and where they belong, but it's like with my kids and cleaning their rooms: If they ask me to help *keep* it clean, I will. If they allow their room to get trashed over 1-5 days and then ask for help, their SOL !!
[About XDA developers] nrfitchett4:
so now I'm supposed to know who the mods are of the different forums??? I think that is asking a lot and as I said in indagroove's thread about this, I've pretty much given up on reporting vulgar posts. Not worth the time. As such, I have seen quite a lot of flaming going on, not to mention quite a few noobs who have probably been turned away from this great site because they posted in the wrong section and got harrassed for it.

Sorry, but I peruse way to many forums to keep track of who mods which ones. Considering the array of devices in my household at any one time, that could mean 8-9 mods for me to keep track of.

And the downward spiral of xda continues....
[About XDA developers] nrfitchett4:
not to mention, how many people are viewing these forums from mobile devices where copy and pasting is truly obnoxious...
[About XDA developers] hallstevenson:
Leave the post that you want to report and go back "up" one level, out of the thread, to the forum's thread list. Scroll down and it gives the name of that forum's mod(s). Click on their name, then on their profile page, click "Send message", then "Send private message". Fill it out like a normal PM and include the link to the post in question. You did copy/paste it, right ?
[About XDA developers] reinbeau:
This is what I'm talking about. All that's accomplished here is the user loses track and gives up. Must be the point :rolleyes:

I'm sorry for the sarcasm, but this has so amazed and frustrated me, as a forum admin and moderator myself, I just shake my head every time I think about it. Especially in a forum of this size. I get it, what you're saying, that this forum is huge, the reports are overwhelming, I really do understand, but this isn't a good system at all.
[About XDA developers] hallstevenson:
Any update from XDA ? I thought it was mentioned that this issue was going to be brought up at a 'meeting'.

I do want to thank the mods/staff for not locking this thread ! I'm actually surprised that it didn't get locked.... Some people have pretty strong feelings about this, as it turns out ! :D
[About XDA developers] svetius:
We're currently discussing how to improve the RP system. Please be patient, thanks :cool:
[About XDA developers] MordyT:
I normally don't post here a lot, but here goes...

This thread has expressed the frustration of reporting quite well, so I don't need to add to it.

I can however provide a "solution" of sorts.... I have done my fair share of coding and modding vB, and think this could be made in a few hours by a talented dev. (Heck, I may try to write myself if I get bored)..

A separate button (separate system) called report. When click on, the system does a database query to find the mods of the forum (actually, since they are listed on viewforum, hook into that and save the query). The page then redirects to a form with the basic options, such as move thread, that when filled, sends a PM.

Almost all of this is already in place - and most of the frustration is gone. To the end user, the system is almost same. To the mods, a PM gets sent as asked.

It is a dirty hack, but it works.

Ideally a separate report center, similar to the one found in other system, would be coded as a add-on. It would hook into the report system, and a mod would visit the center and only see reports of posts made in forums assigned to him.

What he sees in his mod center (add it to the mod cp if you wantp as a menu) is soley dependent on what forums he is assigned. Then, in the system a report could be "assigned", "in progress" "resolved" "on hold" "escalated" so there is no conflicting actions between mods - and could easily see what needs to be done. A notes field to filled by the mod if needed on what actions, etc....

Be a heck of a modification...
[About XDA developers] the_scotsman:
Nice suggestion...and funnily enough, this is exactly one of the ideas that we've been discussing...you sure you don't have access to our mod forums? :p
[About XDA developers] MordyT:
Most of my "ideally" ideas (with a report center) came from a system I an coding for someone else atm. The dirty hack idea which sends pms is something that I am trying to make into a grease monkey script after seeing this thread.

Swyped from my HTC Glacier
[About XDA developers] Sine.:
Quick fix until RP system review?

What about adding the forum moderators profile links at the bottom of the thread page (like int the forum page), as a quick temporary fix? :)

It won't allow to report too easilly, and it would be a little bit less "complicate" to report for whom willing to. (like me, which like the others in this thread has stoped to report)
[About XDA developers] hallstevenson:
To any staff or mods:

Are you willing to report any statistics of posts reported since the change ? I think we'd all appreciate the honesty !

I suspect the change accomplished what you (staff) wanted it to...
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onlinespending:
I have searched thoroughly through the various CWM and OC Kernel threads but it's not clear to me if I can achieve having ClockworkMod Recovery and an Overclocked Kernel running on a Sprint (CDMA) Tab without any issues with the GPS or Camera.

I am perfectly fine running the stock Samsung ROM, but want to be able to overclock to 1.4GHz and be able to run CWM so that I can at least be able to do nandroid backups. From what I gather some of these CWM solutions and OC kernels (which may be really designed for Verizon Tabs and not Sprint Tabs) may cause issues with the GPS and/or Camera. I cannot afford to lose those two functions of the Tab.

So for those Sprint owners out there, what has worked for you to get a working CWM and OC kernel without sacrificing the GPS and Camera? Thanks!
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onlinespending:
apparently this isn't possible? it's a shame...as if a CDMA Tab were bad enough, it looks like the Sprint one is the true ugly stepchild of the bunch.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ad720:
The VooDoo CDMA Kernel that I just flashed appears to have a working FF and RF camera as well as working GPS.

I'm pretty new to the SGS scene so I may not be talking about the same thing you are.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onlinespending:
Awesome! So you are using a Sprint Tab? And you can run Google Maps or Navigation and it locks your location using GPS? I just want to be sure before I proceed down this path, since I've read about some users not being able to get their GPS to operate once they've borked it.

And if you don't mind me asking, how did you get the VooDoo CDMA Kernel on there? Did you first install v4 through SGS Kernel Flasher or perhaps Heimdall? And then you installed v5 through CWM?

Thanks!
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ad720:
Yes, Sprint Tab (I just got it from the most recent woot sale).

Google Maps locked to my location within 20 meters inside of my office, and then dead on my front door just now. I turned my WIFI off to make sure it was really the GPS. I started up Navagation and it showed waiting for GPS for a about 2 seconds before starting with the turn by turn.

I have taken pictures with the RF and FF camera but I haven't tried a video chat so that might not work. When I take a picture the preview does glitch out on the screen a bit but the picture is just fine.

I flashed the latest version directly through SGS Kernal Flasher. I don't have the files in front of me but I just followed the directions in the OP.

The issue that I had was my auto-rotation wasn't working. I found the file to replace in the thread but root explorer wasn't recognizing my SD card until I turned off the VooDoo enhancements in CWM and then turned them back on as specified by the troubleshooting section of the OP. At that time I was able to replace the file to restore auto-rotate.

Please keep in mind that while I am not new to Android I am quite new to the SGS so do plenty of reading and keep in mind that this is just my experience (or inexperience) with it and I may just have gotten lucky.

Also, I do NOT have data services through Sprint, I am using WIFI only so I can't speak to the effects of the Kernel on that.

Good luck!
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Timanator:
Thats pretty awesome, atleast we have an alternative until Samsung hopefully release the 3.34 for all G tab owners.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onlinespending:
Thanks again. This is really helpful. But from what I understand the latest version (v5) is only updatable through CWM. v4 can be flashed through SGS Kernel Flasher. Is it possible you're not running v5?
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ad720:
Correct. I'm looking at the files now and I used SGS Flasher to do the v4 (step 1) and then CWM to do the v5.zip (step 2). If there is a way to verify which Kernel, let me know and I'll double check.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onlinespending:
Hmm, for some reason I cannot get v4 flashed using either SGS Flasher or Heimdall. I first got the latest OTA update (build EB28) before doing this however, so I'm not sure if that is an issue. Can you confirm you were or are on build EB28 (under Settings -> About My Galaxy Tab)?
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ad720:
I can confirm that I am currently on EB28. Not sure if it was different before the Kernel flash. I got two OTAs before I even really started to play with the Tab...

Where are you running into a problem? Does SGS not run?
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onlinespending:
Sounds like you had EB28 even before you did the flash. SGS runs fine. It says the kernel flashed successfully, but upon reboot the Tab is just stuck at the Samsung boot screen. I cannot even enter Recovery (using Vol Up + Power).

I've reverted to stock and have tried a few times all with the same result (even tried Heimdall and Odin).

There has to be something different between our Tabs that would cause the issue I'm seeing.

After the EB28 update, I have the following:

Hardware version: P100.08

Firmware version: 2.2.1

Baseband version: S:P100.08 S.EB28

Kernel version: 2.6.32.9

Build number: SPH-P100.EB28

Unless you have something different in one of the above, I'm at a bit of a loss. I may need to go some alternative route.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stu_Gotti:
The first OTA on my device is downloaded, but not installed, and I'm curious if I should even take them at all?

I currently have the following:

Hardware version: SPH-P100.08

Model number: SPH-P100

Firmware version: 2.2

Baseband version: S:P100.08 S.DJ29

Kernel version: 2.6.32.9

Build number: SPH-P100.DJ30

I'd like some type of recovery and eventually HC... boy these Sprint tabs, and tabs in general, are funky compared to my Incredible.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ad720:
That is identical to mine.

I wish I knew more about the tab so I could be a help. :confused:
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onlinespending:
Well seems like I solved my problem. Not entirely sure why, but when I swapped in a small 1GB sdcard I was able to flash this Kernel without issue. Using the 16GB card that came with the Sprint Tab didn't work.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stu_Gotti:
Maybe a format issue? That's interesting...
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pvtjoker42:
I had a similar issue with the 16gb card. put a 2gb card in, and was able to flash the kernel and then get into CWM. sadly once I got that far it didn't seem to matter what rom/kernel i tried it wouldn't boot past the samsung logo anymore. So back to stock rooted for now I guess.. Really want to play with the HC port, but not sure why it won't work. Also can't seem to get Heimdall to recognize my Tab, Odin works fine however.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] osage:
another new Sprint SGT owner from Woot sale here. Also just flashed the Voodoo OC kernel last night, all seems well camera and GPS etc, I have no idea if 3g works as there is no Sprint in my state.

I flash the V5 using a guide I found over on the unlocker site. took several tries before I got it to go, lots of command line stuff and I think I had a few typos along the way.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] citydog5:
Another woot sprint tab user here... I also have "KhasMek Voodoo Plus v5" installed on my tab but GPS does not work for me. Well, it has never worked for me even with stock kernel and EA24 ROM.

Any other woot user with a none working GPS straight out of box?

Update: GPS will not lock if Sprint tab is in airplane mode. Even though by the window works for my HTC hero phone but not the tab. It needs to be outdoor in order to get proper GPS signal.
[HD Mini General] supakdee:
Hi guys,

My HTC mini has a problem "Touch screen doesn't work when charge battery"

Do you have the same issue?

How can I fix it?

Thanks

I'm using ROM 1.36.707 (94538) WWE (Standard from web)
[HD Mini General] bruce2728:
Have you tried doing a hard reset?

I've not heard of this problem before on the mini, but if you google 'touchscreen not working when charging' you will see it is an issue with a lot of devices.

This post may help http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=936499