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[Droid Incredible Android Development] omniatic:
Black. Definitely better looking.

Nils' Business GingerSense... It's INCREDIBLE
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
It does look nice
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
I like the black ring
[Droid Incredible Android Development] mirrin:
Just had a random restart it was sleeping then I look over and it was just finishing a boot
[Droid Incredible Android Development] josh0426:
My vote is for the black ring.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Droidel:
What about a dark charcoal grey ring? Not quite black...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbizzle:
Any way to get a white flip clock? The black one keeps showing a panel when I use a skin...thanks for the work!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] g00gl3:
That is awesome! Those are my favorites too!

I usually mod out the clock to black on all roms I run.

The only other mod I make is to the circle battery meter. Can't wait till you get percentages working.

Btw, this rom has been running great for me!

Thanks for all the hard work!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
I have been hearing that and also that they may be blocking it under certain condition in the future.

Gee, it works for me. Oh yeah, I am running the next release HaHa

Will post it latter today as an add on for those that like to skin

Working on it.

Thanks
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rlacrossjr:
Wow this is the smoothest of the gingersense that I've tried. Gingersense does eat the available RAM, with CM7 I had 196mb free with gingersense 80mb.

There is a small issue with the metal skin...the signal bars with flicker on and off completely and the GPS shows not on but is on. Also the flip clock minutes the top half will stay black, but goes away and comes back every minute. screenoff or moving desktop fix's until next minute.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tsoms:
Is it possible to get this phone to actually boot off? I looked at the up/awake time and it doesn't change after a reboot. The HTC incredible screen also doesn't come up. Power off to me looks more like a hibernate and less like a power off...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Go into Settings > Power and turn off Fast Boot
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rlacrossjr:
Just had a force close on setcpu. is this rom related or the app. it only happens when i do a full shut down and reboot. 5 times in a row, not using the profiles just as a widget for temp and cpu speed.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] pk74:
If I have GPS turned on, then open up 'Internet', it loads my google home page, but when I try to browse from there to anywhere else, the phone reboots...

If I turn off GPS, everything is fine...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
setcpu will NOT work on this ROM. The kernel is not modded for it and won't be until the source is available.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
So you can test and skin I add the following to post 3

Stock black on white clockhttp://nils.hoovie.com/Alternates/HtcClockWidget-Standard-GS-CWM3.zip for those using skins or themes and have a problem with the clock top

Rotating Rosie A little sluggish but OK

Enjoy

http://nils.hoovie.com/Alternates/RotatingRosie-GS-CWM3.zip
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
Just flashed and seems to be working fine so far.

Sent by my Verizon 4GLTE HTC THUNDERBOLT
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rfarrah:
Sounds like you're close to releasing the next update. Think I'll hold off until the new version comes out, but THEN....... :D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] thehoovie:
yay! - and recent apps pulldown is redundant

Nils, Thanks so much for this!

I checked Rotating Rosie and other in the poll for what I would in a ROM. For other, what I would like, is in the pull down to NOT have recent Apps. The same function is obtained by long pressing the home key. Seems redundant to have it two places. Instead of recent apps, it would be nice to have power controls in the pull down.

I'll be flashing this afternoon and be sure to let you know if I have any issues.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Post 3.......
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rfarrah:
+1 on the pulldown; FWIW, power controls work better for me, too.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] pk74:
Anybody else able to replicate this?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tsoms:
any shot of getting a nonflip clock as an add on or something? nothing triggers my ocd more than seeing the clock flip from 0:21 to 1:23 or whatever it does. :) i know there are some floating around out there, i just dont know if they would work for sense 2.1 (with a rotating rosie). Thanks!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tsoms:
Just tried it and it happened to me... weird
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
May be a couple of days since I want to get the phone and dialer done first.

Make sure that the / in the GPS icon turns off and on consistently and see if that helps with it on. The browser triggers GPS so it needs to be either off or on solid.

You can also turn off location in browser settings

I will look around but I don't think so
[Droid Incredible Android Development] starvenmarven:
+1 Black ring
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Droidel:
+1
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
Black ring.

Sent from my Droid Incredible
[Droid Incredible Android Development] spikezilla9:
I think the black ring will go much better..
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Logiic:
The black ring is sick looking. That's got my vote all the way!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
Once you go black. You never go back.

+1 in favor of black ring
[Droid Incredible Android Development] hgoldner:
Not to buck the trend, but I keep my brightness at 35%-40% and the lighter ring is easier to see in daylight. The black ring does "look" cool, I admit, but for function (which, after all, is also important) I prefer the lighter ring.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] pmsrefugee:
How can I sort the app list under the downloaded tab? The main app list let's you sort az but not the download list.

Tapa, tapa, Tapatalk! Quoth the Raven - Nevermore
[Droid Incredible Android Development] slosh:
Have to agree here black would be awsome but not good for sunlight conditions.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Isn't there a day night mode on this thing. Use day colors and night colors
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
It looks like the Black Lockscreen ring is the winner.

However, to keep everyone happy I will make a silver flashable zip.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Yeah, that would be cool

Maybe a batch job that alternatively flashes the correct color at selected times of day. Nah, you'll blame my ROM for the reboots:D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] hgoldner:
Do you mean the app drawer? I have the applications settings open on my Incredible, "downloaded" tab set (upper left corner) and I can either sort by name or by size (press menu....) The app drawer, under downloaded, does *not* appear to be sortable. (That's another reason I use AppFolders.)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bikedogrun:
Hello all... just installed v2 after many months with CM7 (love it!) to re-try Sense (was NOT impressed originally).

So far, VERY nice indeed. Seems like the good things in Sense without so much bloat. Good performance, snappy and clean.

If it can be stable, I am thinking of staying here rather than returning to CM7.

One thing I am quite used to on CM7 is all of the tweaks/customization possibilities. Many are here too, but one key tweak I rely on is being able to answer calls on my Dinc with the optical keypad... any built-in way/tweak here to do that?

I also tried the EZ-Button app which worked for me on my Inspire, but it didn't work / just had no effect at all???

Thanks and looking forward to interacting with y'all ///

/BD
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Tom-tom and garmin do it with out a reboot, it just changes colors, your the man Nils
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SlimSnoopOS:
Still seeing great performance with this rom. I had a hiccup with maps and hand cent once but it was a momentary thing, nothing to report. I know the votes are tallied but I'm looking forward to that themed lock screen and (eventually fixed) black dialer.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] apsawyer65:
Having an issue with incoming calls when the phone is locked. It will not allow me to answer the phone without unlocking it. Once unlocked, the phone app FC's and I lose the call with nothing in the log saying that a call even came in.

Anyone else have this problem? I am using 2.0 with the black dialer.

I am switching back to the stock dialer to see if that is the issue per the note on the OP.

Thanks
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SlimSnoopOS:
Known issue. Next to the download for the black dialer Nils stated this causes fc's.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Love the black keyboard
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jayochs:
......^^ lol what? what's that supposed to be a pic of
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Black keyboard
[Droid Incredible Android Development] starvenmarven:
Don't think I've seen this mentioned but if I go to gallery and share via fb for HTC the upload almost instantly fail?? Any know of a fix or have same issue?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Just worked for me, how ever Picasa. Is not in the menu for sharing
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Nils. Will the kitchen thing in post three work with 2. 0 it had your framework from 1. 5
[Droid Incredible Android Development] omniatic:
Tried to flash Black Market last night with no success. Will your next version have the dark/transparent market? I found it a little easier on the eyes.

Also, I've been using your black keyboard...very cool.

Thanks
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Sure will....
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
I will try...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Slainez916:
this happened to me to.I've

been using the FB for android app to upload pics.

Sent using XDA Premium App
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bikedogrun:
sorry if this is a totally NOOB question... Anyone???
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
nom nom no ram

great rom and love the aesthetics but my memory is getting eaten up i have less than 100meg? htc weather takes up 80 by itself and sense a total of 70. am I roughly have 13 apps non system related running(weatherbug, tasker, beautiful widgets, rss reader, caller id etc..

any insight
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jayochs:
yeah, we all have low memory...right now i'm idling at 72...that's low lol.

nils, ever find anything about the notification dropdown lag? it lags up to like five seconds sometime when you pull it down...gets quite annoying ,happens on every new gingersense rom :-\
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ACD168:
the low memory keeps me away from these ROMs unfortunately. they have come so far and you guys are doing so much work it's amazing!, gotta roll back to skyraider 4.1 beta5
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jayochs:
oh there's a new skyraider out? last i ran was 4.0 hmm.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ACD168:
will be public this weekend.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
Just made the decision to go back to CM7. Love the ROM just can't take the low memory. I almost got in a wreck trying to configure my GPS because of memory issues. Lol
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
What memory. Are you running low on.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
I love my Incredible but I wish it had all the memory and ram my Thunderbolt has.

It is only using 13% of the hard drive memory with all the bloatware on it. Plus the 32 gig sd card. Oh well.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bikercr:
RAM used to run programs. The app System Panel is a good way to check this and stop programs individually or as a group. Ideally, you want a minimum of 100mb available at all times but this ROM isn't effectively clearing memory to keep it at or above 100mb.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Maybe I don't understand, but I can only do 1 thing at a time.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bikercr:
That panel shows a healthy amount of RAM. But free RAM is a volatile measurement that is affected by programs currently being used and those running in the background. Android is supposed to "free up resources" when RAM drops much below 100 but this ROM isn't doing this totally reliably.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] punman:
What are you guys referring to when you are complaining about "free RAM?" There's at least four ways to measure it I can think of off the top of my head, the two that come to mind that are easily accessible to the average user (on this ROM) are the Task Manager app and Settings -> Applications (Running)

Just now on my phone the Task Manager app claimed I had 107MB free, while at the same time Settings -> Applications (Running) says 311MB free. Also at the same time, I'm on an adb shell which reports via free -m:

/system/xbin # free -m
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 412 392 20 0 3
-/+ buffers: 388 23
Swap: 0 0 0
/system/xbin #

And /proc/meminfo shows:

/system/xbin # cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 422688 kB
MemFree: 12332 kB
Buffers: 3832 kB
Cached: 85020 kB
...

Note that /proc/meminfo and free -m are pretty close, but the Cached line in meminfo is interesting because it reflects ~83MB of data which the Linux kernel has allocated for i/o caching. This number, while it's a chunk that's basically taken out of "free" RAM, is sort of available for applications to use: the Linux kernel will use this space if a program really needs it. Nothing you can do from any Android application will affect this number, whatsoever. However some apps count it as "used" memory, and this can be misleading to the Linux novice.

If you're complaining about free RAM, please measure it correctly and consistently, and know how to interpret what you're reporting. Otherwise you're going to confuse people.

Thanks.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
A couple of presents for those that like to tinker

For the few that asked for my Black/Transparent market I added it to the 3rd post.

For those that are interested in trying the Carousel it is also in the 3rd post. It is not a full ROM and is not themed to match the ROM but that really is just the clock and Rosie launcher bar (no Rosie settings). Follow the instructions. I suggest a nand backup before just in case you don't like it or get tired of it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Crion629:
So I tried flashing this rom last night, did a full wipe and got no farther than the htc incredible boot screen. Checked hboot and radio version and I've met the requirements. Radio version is 2.15 and running CWM 3.0.0.7 on AMOLED.

Any ideas? Anyone else have this problem? I'm coming from a DesireZ port.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rfarrah:
It really does take awhile on the first boot. How long did you wait?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Crion629:
about 45 minutes...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
You didn't say but is your hboot .92
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Crion629:
Yes, it is 0.92. Verified that before asking. I should probably have asked this earlier but is there a minimum charge level for the flash to work because my charge level was under 50% when I did this last night...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
It is always recommended to be at a high level or at least on the charger but I am not sure that is your problem.

Have you tried charging it up and reflashing it?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Crion629:
Trying that now. I'll post back on the results.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bikercr:
Don't take this as "complaining". We're all beta testers, so to speak. So, it's just information that may help make a fantastic new ROM even better. As for free RAM, I find System Panel to be the best way of tracking this and also determining which programs are eating it up. Prior to installing Nils GingerSense, I was running Virtuous with Ziggy472 kernel. This was really good at keeping RAM above 100 MB. Now, the RAM is often dropping below 90. At this level, my phone becomes laggy and certain running programs suddenly stop working (for example, Google Listen--while I'm listening). So, I think there's a problem with the freeing up of resources. This is likely a kernel level problem. I bet when newer kernels start coming out for Nils GingerSense, this will be fixed.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Logiic:
Going to try carousel and black market right now. I'll post back with results. Thanks Nils!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] omniatic:
Black market is installed and works better than the original.

Thanks Nils

Nils' Business GingerSense... It's INCREDIBLE
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Great let me know

I kind of like it myself. Unless I get complaints it will be in the next release
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Droidel:
Low memory and streaming with sirius app and its as fast as not running any apps. I don't have any lag at all.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Crion629:
Looks like it was the low battery. Working fine. Now my only problem is remembering my htcsense.com password...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] spikezilla9:
+1 Looks great..
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Droidel:
Flashed new market...still shows the old one.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
I only look at the memory usage after I make major changes to see what if any impact it made.

There is some question how well the task killer is working but I think all in all memory management isn't too bad.

I guess as long as I can listen to a book and use the navigator while driving I am happy. Oh yeah, and have received and made calls with all that running and it keeps running.

If I can improve it I will.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Droidel:
Any idea why black market didnt flash?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Look in /data/app and make sure there is not another apk in there with the word vending in it. That would happen if you tried to install another market at some point. As long as the zip ran fine I can't think of anything else.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Logiic:
Carousel seemed to slow the phone down a bit for me. That was kind of expected though with the memory it undoubtedly consumes. The major issues I'm having with it are that I can no longer remap my right Rosie and my live wallpapers no longer works. Anyone else tried it yet and finding these issues?

Edit: Got live wp working but no luck with the right Rosie.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] punman:
The first time I flashed, even with a full wipe (coming from CM7), I had the same issue. I got back into recovery, and went into mounts & storage, formatted /data, /system, /cache, and /boot manually and re-flashed, and it worked. Some extra cruft needed to be cleared out apparently.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jayochs:
although the memory issue sucks, we need to remember the following:

the sense 3.0 lockscreen alone takes up 50mb. so let's say we're all idling at 73mb like i usually am. if it were the normal sense 2 lockscreen, we'd have 123mb free.

we also have to notice here how gingersense allocates memory.

for example, "status bar" is using 24megs idling here..what is status bar, you ask? it's the top notification bar. if you kill that, your notification bar just disapears. on the old Z roms, this wasn't listed as a running app, thereby freeing up like 24 more megs.

another thats running in gingersense is "sound set" using 12.6 mb. this wasn't running on the 2.0 Z roms. so in total, that's 89mb being used up by new sense 2/3 features...so without that, we'd be idling around 153mb or so.

sucks that it can't be optimized, but remember, the phones that run this new stuff apparently have more RAM than we do :(
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Yup, a little slower.

I think I mentioned somewhere Rosie Settings (right Rosie) is not in rosie
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
Well put. I'm definitely keeping an eye on this thread.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Droidel:
Data/app is empty. I found vending.apk and com.androidvending.....apk in system/app. I clicked on vending.apk and it installed fine. Def keep black market.

Where are the unlock ring images located? I want to make a dark gray / black ring.

Edit. Es explorer sees data/app as empty. Root explorer can see what's in it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Z

Lock rings are in fusion.apk but you need to decompile with M10Editor.

You need to turn on root and show hidden in ES.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bikercr:
Are there any custom kernels out there that work with this ROM? Can we get one of the smart guys (HeyItsLou, Ziggy, etc.) to work on this? I'm liking this ROM in almost every way, except its memory handling and battery life--things customized kernels often fix. This ROM has turned my tired smartphone into a keeper.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jayochs:
no kernels yet for gingerbread; have to wait for the official INC leak
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bikercr:
So that's going to depend on whether HTC upgrades the DInc to gingerbread, I take it. I read somewhere that's going to happen, but who knows?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
Yep
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Me too, not worth it for me.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Not too bad when it settles down.

But that is also why I made it a seperate add-on instead of a full ROM.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Good call everyone else seems to have it in there roms. Any luck with the black dialer yet.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Div033:
A couple issues I've noticed... These might be for all gingersense roms in general:

- Bluetooth can be funky, at least with my car. I pair the two and the car can't seem to hold a connection to the phone. I'll receive a call, answer it on the phone, and after about 30 seconds of talking the Bluetooth connects and I can communicate that way. Not entirely sure what's up here and if its even something fixable.

- I tried using video gchat today with a friend and he claimed he couldn't see me. Is this to be expected since we're not on 2.3.4?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
Yeah , no front facing camera , no video chat.

Sent by my Verizon 4GLTE HTC THUNDERBOLT
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Nils did I notice some color changes when flashing the carousel. ROM it looked the launch bar looked black no two tone I like,
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NilsP:
Everything in the carousel was stock graphics is why. I didn't want to put alot in if it got minimal use.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tjamscad:
Once again good call
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Ordieth:
I gotta admit, the carousel is really nice, but the trade offs are too much. The latency it induced was too difficult. I am sure it would be nice to use, once taylored a little for business sense.

Thanks Nils

Sent from my HTC incredible.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Div033:
Just saying, it worked on CM7 with the back camera.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
If you are using the back camera how do you see the person you are talking to ???

Sent by my Verizon 4GLTE HTC THUNDERBOLT
[Droid Incredible Android Development] tribbey:
maybe you want to show some body something thats infront of you or some people wouldnt care to keep turning the phone or use a mirror (which i wouldnt do haha) but personally i would love to have a good video chat for my Dinc its defiantly a upgrade and something kool to have for some people...