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[Android General] PlanetJumble:
I haven't heard of an AMOLED with that kind of resolution yet. The highest is on the Galaxy Nexus, opting for even higher res with PenTile. The problem is, the subpixel size is highly related to the screen lifetime on AMOLED, so you can't make them as small as with regular LCD technology.

Some people hate PenTile, some don't mind. The Padfone won't be for the former group, I'm glad I am in the latter. :)

No, sorry for mine! I am so used to the $ = € calculation on electronic devices that I didn't look up your prices. :)
[Android General] patrick_spd4u:
The GALAXY Nexus' PenTile doesn't matter much because 720p is already a very high resolution, so 'taking out' some pixels from it won't matter much.

The GALAXY S II already achieved Super AMOLED Plus (non-PenTile version of Super AMOLED) with WVGA resolution in 4.3", which is the same as the PadFone.

What I expect from a 4.3" is the Sensation-like sharpness, which is non-PenTile qHD, it will have some advantage from the typical 3.7"-4" WVGA screen.
[Android General] PlanetJumble:
Oh I heard different, PenTile hate goes deep on some forums. Some will always go so far as to say they get eye cancer from looking at the poor quality checkerboard edges on the Galaxy Nexus. :p

They have the same area, but let's compare the subpixel count. Using this tool, you can calculate the subpixels per square inch:

SGS2: 47074 * 3 = 141222

Padfone: 65614 * 2 = 131228 (8% less)

SGN: 99748 * 2 = 199496 (41% more)

Now with your proposed SAMOLED Plus with qHD at 4.3" we would have 196842 subpixels per square inch, around SGN count. But PenTile does not size the subpixels equally! The blue and red dots are double the size (and half the count) of the green dots. This is because they have the shortest life span and get hurt more with small sizes. The proposed display would have the SGN subpixel count but much smaller blue and red subpixels, which is probably why Samsung opted for raising the resolution instead.

Maybe some day Asus makes a Padfone with Super LCD like the Sensation then. I'd still prefer the colors and viewing angles of AMOLED.
[Android General] ButterflyCommunity:
sat; tsgoved

i really like idea of the padphone,it would be awsome if the phone itself packed tegra3,awsome screen,design, and camera.For the tablet it would be great if theres a option of 13" tablet that you could dock on keyboard,in that way you could have options of phone+tablet(10"),and phone+ultrabook(13"),what do you guys think?
[Android General] Justin^Tan:
@Butterfly

too much I guess, the price would be skyrocketing, and on the brain of 1 phone?

phone + tablet is okay, I dont even think I would take the keyboard at all aside from there's a probability that I till use that keyboard as a stand dock lol

for something with keyboard, i got my laptop with windows 8 for tablet + pc like experience.

@Patrick

do you have insider information or any kind of info about when / will Asus Padfone gonna be released in Indonesia?

I still want this piece of ****, but if it's gonna take too long to come here, might as well bought it when it launch in hongkong later after taiwan >.<
[Android General] Naria9:
That looks quite cool. Assuming it's a nice, powerful, open, hackable, phone, I might pick that up.
[Android General] CaliCal:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-PadFone-pad-phone-4-3-Smartphone-android-4-0-Qualcomm-S4-dual-core-1-5Ghz-/300692753755?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4602af4d5b

$1000 + 50 shipping

considering that phone alone should be in the $600 range. great buy when it gets here.
[Android General] patrick_spd4u:
Finally, I understand... Thank you :)

Padfone Si Tablet Unik Asus Siap Pikat Indonesia
[Android General] Justin^Tan:
already read that though, still what I want to know is the release date, not Q2 ^^

Q2 may means April, May or June

and reading on some article that after Taiwan, Asus will release it on Germany, Hongkong, and 2 other countries I forgot, but Indonesia is not listed, that makes me wonder whether it will be released exactly on Q2 or "molor" like the usual habit of Indonesian people hehe
[Android General] cty.stuart:
i think the link you gave doesn't include the keyboard despite it says US layout. Pad station is the tablet. You can change the keyboard layout as you wish on the tablet easily. it's software rendering. see next post attached
[Android General] olly230:
I know its a minor thing but you can't watch a video whilst taking a call on the stylus. The audio comes out the stylus as well and drowns out the call.
[Android General] commensal:
Anyone agree with that?
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
Sounds like Supply and Demand 101 to me. They have it, they're the only ones that have it, they can set the price. People will either buy it, or they won't. Since people are buying it, that's the price it'll stay at.

If it's cheaper when it comes out over here (whenever that may be), prices will shift accordingly.
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Ah damn it :P I just tried, and you're right, also with headphones plugged it still plays over the headset... Asus really has to fix this :D
[Android General] cty.stuart:
not me. i got mine for less than GBP620 full set including the original sleeve + extra battery + 16GB micro sd from taiwan. I don't think anyone beat that price yet at the moment.
[Android General] SparkyRih:
I said something similar before... my 32gb full set (so including stylus and keyboard, and even if you count the tazes that I had to pay)... I don't think the 16gb version will be much cheaper (it will be cheaper, but probably only 30-50 euros)...
[Android General] Florian-s:
My padfone was delivered today... it's so awesome! everything is so fast and smooth :)
[Android General] cty.stuart:
welcome to the club :D
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Welcom! :D

Now we have another happy Padfone owner :)
[Android General] dimitriossara:
Where did you buy it my friend?

I want to order and mine today:)
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Shen Nao Telco in Taiwan ;)
[Android General] littlemittens:
Hi! I want to join the padfone club too! :p I've been hanging out for it to be available for about 6 months, but am holding off so that a) the prices can drop a bit, and b) I can get an English only keyboard. But I'm getting very impatient!

Do others have the English and Chinese keyboard? Does it bother you at all?

Also, could someone suggest where I should purchase one from (I'm in Australia).

Thank you! x
[Android General] timboyce94:
Australian Padfone Retailer

I'm in Aus (but haven't bought one... yet). I'm waiting to see if anything comes out from the carriers - rumored July ~ we'll see.

If you want to order from a well known Australian online store rather than an ebay seller, I'd recommend Mobicity:

http://www.mobicity.com.au/asus-padfone-phone-tablet-keyboard.html

Last time I looked they didn't have the keyboard, but it appears that now they do?

But that $900 Aus looks pretty low if it's got the keyboard included, so now I'm not 100% sure what's happened.
[Android General] aeon101:
To Florian-s: Lucky one! Where dod you buy it from?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
nope.. why would it?? its just addition of few strokes on your standard keyboard..
[Android General] sjh93173:
Different mode ? any real difference?

Hi all, thanks for all the helpful tips regarding the Padfone. I am a happy padfone user now ( got mine 2 weeks ago). Have been following this thread for awhile

Noted some one asked this question about the different ' mode' under asus -specific settings for padfone

i.e: performance, balance, battery saving

I have been switching n trying on diferent mode- only difference i noticed is it heats up more often in battery saving mode .

Anyone able to explain the use of these various mode ( sounds like the current sports car moder- 'racing/ balance/ leisure..etc)

Cheers!
[Android General] Florian-s:
I have bought it via ebay from estonia. :)
[Android General] lunarken:
ya... i compared performance mode n batt saving mode... indeed batt mode heats up more faster n hotter..i think performance mode is better among 3... but still wont prolong the batt life.
[Android General] Steven82:
must be something wrong if it's heating up compared to the more hardware hungry performance mode
[Android General] hrrsppzgl:
Hey there!

I am from Greece and i am waiting so long to buy this lovely gadget!

Is there any way i can buy the full set and have european guarantee?

Also, i would like to avoid customs!

Thanks in advance

Harris
[Android General] Someone09:
You might want to check out mobi-city or ebay. There´s that guy from Estonia selling some on the latter.

No customs for shipments in EU countries.

As for the warranty: Asus devices should have 1 year worlwide warranty. (worlwide = all covered countries)

But if you order in the UK (=mobi-city) you get 2 years waranty from them.
[Android General] PlanetJumble:
Too bad they don't sell without keyboard - I just asked via chat, they only buy 3-in-1 so they only sell those.

But I want my native german layout. EU-imports of phone and station are fine with me, if not too expensive, I could get the keyboard later on then.

Now that I know I can pick up calls just fine with the station (and pull the phone out for more privacy if needed), I am really not that much interested in the stylus headset anymore - wayyy too expensive!
[Android General] Someone09:
You could try a german TF101 and see how that works.

Or you could buy a set with a US keyboard and see how that works for you and sell it again as soon as a german keyboard is available.

Depends on your personal n3rd-factor I guess. ;)

I know. But it´s just so cool.
[Android General] KingsnakeW:
This was also the reason why I bought only the station+phone from Taiwan. In the end I can wait for keyboard to be available in Eu stores. If I really need a keyboard meanwhile I can use my girlfriend's transformer keyboard, but other than testing it, I did not feel the need for a keyboard yet.
[Android General] dante7551:
just got mine

the padfoe really cool and fast.
[Android General] lunarken:
cool??? u haven feel the heat yet!!!
[Android General] Someone09:
from what I understand, if you feel the heat, you need to switch to performance mode.

Sorry, couldn´t resist.
[Android General] PlanetJumble:
Why would I? The hinge is not fitting too well with the Padfone - it holds the tablet part a bit higher than the Padfone dock and bends backwards too far, making the whole construct tip over easily. It would be an option if I already owned a TF101, but as it is I would much rather simply wait for the better match.

As nerds grow up and become a little richer, they tend to be less satisfied with half-baked solutions. :p

If I stumble upon a nice offer some day, I might be tempted. But not for more than say 20-30 Euro.
[Android General] olly230:
left little empire running in my pocket and the phone was practically on fire!

almost too hot to hold!

really hope it hasn't burnt out

v.worried

cooling it now

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Phew

pulled the battery and left it in pieces to cool the fk down.

There is a bit of a process managing issue.

seriously the whole phone was about 60 degrees (pain if held too long)

Be careful about using Force GPU rendering option in developer options (I thought I'd see if it did anything the other noght and forgot to turn it off)

Its the only thing I can thing of that would cause that amount of heat.

I'm running in balanced mode
[Android General] sjh93173:
Too much heat

wow, that sounds abit alarming. Hmm, better be careful. wondering if it is the hardware prob or the ' mode' issue.

Be careful when charging your padfone .
[Android General] Someone09:
Alarming indeed. 60°C...

I don´t think I´ve ever had an mobile device that got that hot.

As a matter of fact, I´ve hardly ever had a desktop PC that got that hot.
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Aren't these devices build to be able to withstand high temperatures?

I think it will just power off it gets TO hot....

Mine also gets hot, but it's comparable to my SGS2..
[Android General] olly230:
I can only guess at what temp it got at.

But it was sooo hot.

Let that be a lesson to you kids, don't play about with developer options!

:S

used to happen on my desire if I left a game running in my pocket - but never this hot.

I can't find an operating temeprture guide for S4 kraits.

I know Desktop GPUs can run up to 100C even though anything over 70C has me reaching for the fan controller.
[Android General] Someone09:
I asked about this before but could anyone post some temperature values of how hot the phone gets a while of surfing or something?
[Android General] KingsnakeW:
Balanced mode seems not to be too balanced.
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
I'll just say, I doubt it was 60C, as that would cause burns. You couldn't put your hand in 40C water, so you wouldn't be able to have a phone at 60 in your hand or pocket.
[Android General] olly230:
you are probably right.

but seriously I'm no wuss and i couldn't keep hold of it with out juggling a hot potato.

I've chucked a temp widget on my phone even though it says 'environment' not cpu temp

I've got quick info on already but the logs don't show anyhting and it doesn't seem to do temps other than for the battery
[Android General] jlyne1234:
I've had the cpu reach 60c on mine once. Was a hot day and I was in a car so I didn't think much of it. Not sure if the sensor is off but it also said the battery was 19c lol.
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
Yeah, the CPU may get that hot, but there will be heatsinks to ensure that the whole device won't. That would probably start to melt car kits.

I've had my Nexus S get warm enough that it was uncomfortable. I assumed it was the battery, but it's never gotten too hot to touch.
[Android General] bluefrog:
40C is only 2.5 more than body temperature and you can quite easily put your hand in it. 70C is about the limit. Get a thermometer and try it in the sink if you're not convinced! :)

Even so, I don't fancy a phone getting that hot in my pocket! :eek:

Really really keen on the Padfone. Just waiting for my Dell Streak contract to expire in July and then will see what the options are. I'm thinking sim only contract and buy a unit from somewhere is going to be the best option?
[Android General] magus57:
So I'm considering getting one as an alternative to a Blaze 4G, Tab 7.0+, or GS3 (and I'm fine with the 2G/EDGE), but...I'm quickly reading through this topic and seeing a few problems with the device. When the complete bundle costs ~$1100, you can guess why anyone would be a bit hesitant to drop that much without official English support/warranty/etc. That being said, are there any major issues with it that can't easily be fixed via software settings/tweaks?
[Android General] SparkyRih:
All the little issues that I've encountered can be solved by software...

For instance, a non responsive Padfone Station (just undock and dock the phone and everything is fine again), orr some apps that don't run, or crash (I only had 3 of those)...

Edit: And 3 random reboots in 6 days... but even my SGS2 and my TF101 had them (before I put a custom rom/kernel on it), that's an Android kernel issue...
[Android General] cty.stuart:
it will come to the western hemisphere soon. Asus should realise not doing that will be digging their own grave.

but honestly it's almost a month that i use this phone. and really there is not any serious problem with it. the overheating issue is often transient and rare. there are still minor glitches that Asus could fix software side. but hardware, i don't think there's anything to be fixed.

in fact, i think i will go through this one year warranty period without the need to send my phone back to them. it's good to be secured though.
[Android General] magus57:
Well that's good to hear. About the other version - any idea on what radio frequencies or carriers it's going to be? I heard something about AT&T getting an LTE version of it, which would basically put me in the same situation of EDGE speeds (I'd be using it on T-Mobile US), plus ugly AT&T branding.
[Android General] cpotter1971:
Any chance you can install something like bad ass battery monitor and monitor it for a day and post results here? S2 normally runs at 25 idle spiking to around 40
[Android General] ando roido:
Wow! My estonian pf just got OTA update and it solved grainy resolution issue! I knew problem was in software!

Only thing pissing me off still is very nervous cursor when draging it around in text and virtual keyboards that are sometimes slower than my typing.

To comment getting hot issue: who is playing games in pocket? Only problem is when it whould get hot in you pocket. I mean you do not hold it from hot upper center area when using it. If you put strain on processor then you called for it.

But currently seems apps cannot get real temperature from device. Tried Better battery stats and Battery monitor widget pro. They show steady 1.8 deg or smth.

Why do you care for 32GB versions when you have all the free cloud offers these days plus almost 2 years of 32GB WebStorage from Asus?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
small fine print. 3 years. hehe

haviN said that 32gb does make a difference compared to cloud service. cloud service means delayed in the speed u reach your data + data transfer usage. not every telco are keen to offer unlimited internet allowance at reasonable rate. you might have wifi, but what if you are out on the move?

anyhow, lets not forget there is expandable memory on padfone. so if you need extra you can always buy up to 32gb with it :)
[Android General] oroo708:
Rooted Starhub?

did anyone bought their padfone from starhub(s'pore) got to rooted it??

if yes, do share on what u're using n how. thanks
[Android General] joshuapurcell:
I talked with a local Radioshack employee today and he said that his store will be carrying the Padfone and it would be subsidized by ATT, but he had no idea regarding dates (his guess was at some point in July). I'm not sure how he knows this information, but maybe someone else here has heard similar info.
[Android General] littlemittens:
I just wasn't sure if there were any other differences or if they made the keyboard look too cluttered. I guess no one really looks at their keyboard anymore!
[Android General] cty.stuart:
you decide :)
[Android General] lunarken:
not me... sg from starhub.
[Android General] mopo01:
Hope so, that's the only way I will afford one :o
[Android General] Kozato:
Finally! Rooted!
[Android General] lunarken:
can post a screenshot of ur firmware be4 u rooted it?
[Android General] oroo708:
can anyone with root here do tell what firmware on their device are?

especially for WWE and SG versions.

NWY does anyone knows if any devs out there trying to make a CWM for this devices?
[Android General] acky85:
Ok I've just ordered my padfone from the guys at MobiCity. They have none in stock at the moment but will contact me as soon as they do. I work near their warehouse so wont have to wait for Royal Mail and can pick it up on lunch.

Its been a while since I have played with Android and even then it was some of the early builds on the HTC HD2, but if anyone from the UK (or anyone) has any questions then I'll do my best to answer.
[Android General] Someone09:
Did anyone tried if Asus added USB to Ethernet adapter compatibility/drivers on the Padfone?

Unimportant question but I have to waste some time until my Padfone arrives. ;)
[Android General] oodi:
Could someone test if it supports USB DAC?
[Android General] bluefrog:
Hi, would you mind posting your views on both the unit and Mobicity once it arrives please?

I'm just about decided to get a Padfone and their price doesn't look bad at all really!

What contract have you gone with if you don't mind me asking? A Sim only?
[Android General] acky85:
Yup will do. They have been great so far.

I believe all there phones are unlocked and sim free. I already have a contract with O2 that isnt due for renewal until next August and there is no way I am waiting that long for a new phone.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
just as you mention o2. hows the reception doing for you? wide coverage?
[Android General] lucifer_hunter:
The network in general is just unstable.. sometimes i just have to reboot the phone to get the network up again.. wifi or 3g network. It just randomly turns grey at times.. im hoping the next ota will resolve this.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
instead of reboot. try turning airplane mode on and off. it works for me
[Android General] Steven82:
going for 563 atm on ebay (tab+phone)
[Android General] SparkyRih:
563 cows? XD
[Android General] Florian-s:
German Hands On and picture gallery on PadfoneBlog.de.ms
[Android General] sjh93173:
Battery status

Anyone here noticed any problem with battery status bar so far?

My batt was low yest so I started charging it while it was showing 10% batt left.

3 hours later when I check, it is still 10% batt despite showing that it is charging. I unplugged it and a popup window showed that batt is low and ask me to charge.

tried charging again but again 30 mins still the same 10%. So i switch off the phone and on it again

-> immediately it showed 99% full. weird.
[Android General] wpryor:
Padfone

I ordered mine on eBay from Taiwan. took two weeks. 1k with phone and pad and pen no keyboard. Bought that separate. For any one interested the tf101 and tf201 keyboards will not work. Don't fit the slots of the padfone. Only downside so far is weight and fact that pad needs phone to work. Most apps work on both.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
nope not mine :)
[Android General] cty.stuart:
tf101 keyboard does work. shown that earlier in previous posts
[Android General] acky85:
Ive been with Vodafone, 3 and O2 since living in this house and O2 has always been the best so I'll be sticking with them for a long time.

Never really had an issue with them but vodafone I've always found to be terrible.
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
OMG, it's arrived!!! :D :D

At work, so can't play too much, but I'll give it as much of a play as I can.

It's downloading an OTA... should I root first, or install the update, then root?
[Android General] PlanetJumble:
Root kills OTA, so no question there.
[Android General] xorgen:
How to root Padfone? Someone know? Can you help pls
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Welcome! :D

But why do people want to root their devices so bad?

I mean, I know what the benefits are, but personall I want to have the OTAs...
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
AdFree, ClockSync, LBE Privacy Guard, Root Explorer and Titanium Backup.

If they worked without root, I'd not bother, but they don't, so I need it. Alas.
[Android General] ric242:
i also have my BATfone :-) since wednesday

ebay from taiwan... price 830€ + 30€ taxes (seller: e-bagel)

with dock & stylus

without keyboard

i came from the samsung note, and many other phones and tablets like the htc flyer, samsung s2, htc sensation... and i must say wow what a nice device...
[Android General] SparkyRih:
That's 1/3 of the taxes I had to pay :S :P

But it's really great if you compare it to the high end phones currently on the market... Especially when you know that this is pretty much the first high end smartphone from Asus...
[Android General] jlyne1234:
Yeah I've had that. Often happens if the battery is completely empty. It'll get stuck at 0%, turn off the instant I unplug it then restart and say the proper % lol

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I was only able to root before the OTA

I get the remount: Operation not permitted error that everyone else had when I try rooting after the OTA
[Android General] commensal:
Taxes are like Poker...
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
But the OTA takes away root, presumably.

Bugger. Update or root. Decisions decisions...
[Android General] oroo708:
which firmware do you have right now?
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
Rooted, updated, lost root. Some clever chap will figure out how to bring it back, I'm sure. The SuperUser app is still installed, just impotent at the moment.

Currently on IML74K.CHT_PadFone-9.18.8.41_CHT_9.1.15-0

Camera firmware version f09951

PadFone Docking Station version p40

No keyboard dock yet.