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[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
Order #3 is almost as good for my phone as Incredikernel. It provided battery life that was almost as good (less than an hour difference under similar usage) and was just as responsive. Order #3 is now my 2nd choice in custome kernels for my phone.

I just flashed a hydra kernel, the one that's ocuv_v10. When I shut my phone down to perform the flash, it was showing 40% charge. After wiping the cache, dalvik cache, and battery stats I applied the kernel and rebooted. The phone was then showing 46% without having connected to my charger. Hmm... probably due more to wiping the battery stats than anything else, but still...

I have another hydra kernel I got from someone here at xda. Its title includes the string ocuv_ov_v10. I understand the ocuv means overclocked and undervolted, but what does the ov mean? Overvolted? Does this kernel have some sort of dynamic voltage adjustment feature (that's what HAVS is, right?)?

The phone is shut down and charging now.

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[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
The hydra kernel is not much better than stock for me. I was barely able to get 24 hours on a charge, and that was without my daily streaming of 128k MP3s over wi-fi. This, unfortunately, puts the kernel near the bottom of my list. Touchscreen responsiveness was adequate, but not as good as the kernels at the top of my list. The ramping up of the phone when waking the screen can cause a minor hiccup, which is sort of annoying. Overall, my setup has this kernel behaving not quite smoothly enough to put it in the upper ranks.

My ranking so far:

1. Incredikernel 2.6.32.27

2. Order #3

3. Ziggy471 Incredible 24 Nov

4. Hydra kernel ocuv v10

5. HeyItsLou #9

Now I'm testing KiNgxKernel #5. So far it seems decent enough, I'd say top half of the list. I'm using my phone a bit heavier than usual today, so I may have to give this kernel an extra day to show me how it performs under more average usage.

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[Droid Incredible General] PGleo86:
Emphasis is mine.

On that note, have you tried GO Dialer? It's like the Sense dialer
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
After having spent two days with KiNgxKernel #5 I'd have to say it turned out to be a bit worse for me than stock. Battery life for me turned out to be no better than stock and there were quite a few hiccups here and there when interacting with the phone. Nothing major, just enough little annoyances to keep this kernel from performing for me at the same level as my top two selections.

But, on the plus side, I'm figuring that KiNgxKernel #6 should be an improvement.

So here's my updated ranking:

1. Incredikernel 2.6.32.27

2. Order #3

3. Ziggy471 Incredible 24 Nov

4. Hydra kernel ocuv v10

5. KiNgxKernel #5

6. HeyItsLou #9

Now I've moved on to HeyItsLou #8. The phone has been cleared, flashed, and is now charging. I should be back Sunday for yet another update.

Once I settle on a custom kernel, I will test radios. It looks like I won't bother testing all of them, just the ones that are newer than my stock Froyo radio (including the EVO radios).

I'm leaning toward trying CM7 yet again at some point in the future. I currently use Handcent SMS and its popup box really messes with Sense. Often I will send a quick reply from a popup and the phone won't return to the home screen. I usually end up on the screen two to the right of home. And my shortcuts are squished into two rows but pop back into four rows when I swipe over each screen.

This really isn't a problem worth changing SMS apps for because I like all of the other features offered by Handcent. I've also tried Chomp SMS and GO SMS Pro. While both are better than the stock messaging app on my Incredible, neither one is quite as good for me as Handcent. And I don't want that one app that simply adds a popup box to the stock messaging app, because I still have to use the stock messaging app.

So, I will finish my tests of custom kernels and a few radios before I try CM7 again. I also want to make sure I'll be able to get the Amazon Appstore on a CM7 phone so I can get SwiftKey back.

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[Droid Incredible General] k_nivesout:
FWIW, Amazon app store works fine on CM7. Can't think of any apps that don't off the top of my head...
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
Sorry for the late refresh here, but HeyItsLou #8 has me confused. The first day I used this kernel I got 27 hours out of it, and the only reason it wasn't more was because I intentionally used it hard at the end of the day just so I could recharge it overnight. But every day since then this kernel's battery life has been declining to the point it is hard to get a handle on where it will really end up. It's still better than stock, but I can't get a handle on exactly how much better than stock it really is. I'm sure this is due to my clearing the battery stats, with the phone rebuilding the stats database more conservatively.

I am sure that this kernel is better than stock. It is quite stable and responsive. But the battery life question has me unable to really pin it down.

So here's my current ranking:

1. Incredikernel 2.6.32.27

2. Order #3

3. HeyItsLou #8

4. Ziggy471 Incredible 24 Nov

5. Stock HTC Sense kernel

6. Hydra kernel ocuv v10

7. KiNgxKernel #5

8. HeyItsLou #9

I have decided, though, that I will retest the "better than stock" kernels just to make sure my impressions hold up through a second round of testing. I will also make sure that the next round of testing is a bit more "scientific," meaning I will try to use each kernel more consistently to get a better idea of how they DIRECTLY compare to each other under similar usage.

Tomorrow I will switch over to KiNgxKernel #6 and will update my impressions a few days after that.

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[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
DISASTER STRIKES!

I changed over to KiNgxKernel #6. Soon afterward, my wifi stopped working. Under settings wifi was listing "error." I dug into the hardware details an I was missing the wifi MAC address. I tried other kernels, hoping that would fix the issue. None of them helped. I tried restoring a 16 day old Titanium back up. That made my phone even worse by making it impossible to update my apps. I was also unable to fix permissions. I made a Titanium backup of apps + data and just data. None of it worked.

I'm NOT saying this is the fault of the KiNgxKernel #6. But I am using this as an opportunity to try CM7 again.

I wiped user info, the cache, dalvik cache, and the battery stats and applied the ROM. I also applied the Google apps pack. Now I'm slowly adding back the apps I had while on my rooted stock Sense ROM (I made a list before wiping the phone).

So far, so good. I will be swapping the kernel out for an Incredikernel, though.

I still may end up returning to my rooted stock Sense ROM, now that I have a list of the apps I was using.

This thread may temporarily end up being my review of CM7...
[Droid Incredible General] SpartanG087:
I've been running Incredibly Re-Engineered v2.4 and my kernel is currently Heyit'slou #8 and I have no complaints. I did use his #9 and didn't like it so much. If i want to overclock and use SETCPU I'll use Ziggy's, but it didn't show a marked improvement in performance so I'm keeping lous 8 til I find something better. If anyone has suggestions I'm open to better kernels. I have a Dinc.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
I rank Incredikernel and Order #3 higher for me than HeyItsLou #8. There really aren't huge differences between the three of them, but I did get a bit better performance out of the two I ranked higher. I'd try them both just to see how they work on your current ROM.

I'm largely settled into CM7. I just have to get used to the new look, which isn't as highly polished as Sense. So far I've had only two issues.

If I try doing too many things at once (like installing more than one app at a time while using the internet) the phone has given me that smoked screen look and become unresponsive. But it didn't require a battery pull, just a reboot.

The other issue I am currently having is that the touchscreen sometimes lags almost a full second before swiping between home screens. I rebooted the phone and it seems to be working the way it's supposed to.

I think I just need to spend some time on the Cyanogenmod Wiki to figure out how to get everything working right and the way I want it.

I'm also paying attention to how much I actually use certain apps. Losing the two home screens (CM7 has five, as opposed to the seven on Sense) had me combine four screens into two. So far I haven't had to dig into the app drawer to start many apps, just the ones that I don't want too accessible (like ROM Manager and Titanium Backup).

I love that I was able to change the battery display in the notification bar to show the actual percentage left; I had been running a battery status widget that I no longer need, which freed up a space on my main screen. I also like the power bar integrated into the notification bar, because it allowed me to remove the wifi and GPS widgets from another one of my screens.

Otherwise, I have the phone set up as closely to Sense as I could get it. Like I previously mentioned, I was using none of the Sense-based widgets so running CM7 should allow me in the long run to get better performance out of my phone. Now I just need to figure out this governor business and how a different kernel impacts that before I change anything too deep. My goal is to be able to get more than 24 hours of moderate use or 16 hours of moderate-to-heavy use out of my 1750 mAh Seidio battery.

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[Droid Incredible General] k_nivesout:
You can set how many homescreens you have using the included ADW launcher. Menu>edit from the homescreen.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
I don't NEED 7 screens, it's just what I was used to with Sense. But now that I realize how few of the apps I had on-screen actually get used, I don't mind digging into the app drawer on rare occasions. The whole set-up is making me more aware of my usage patterns, which is a good thing.

Why, oh why can't I get my LED to stay amber until the battery is 100% charged?

It is also taking my awhile to get used to the "amateurish" look of ADW. But I'm chicken when it comes to trying a different launcher. I want to figure out quite a few more of the ins and outs of CM7 before I try changing its default appearance.

This governor business also has me puzzled. I want a detailed explanation of how each one operates, which is difficult to find. I also want to know how changing kernels will effect governors. My initial search results seem to indicate that the new kernel will add a new governor and choosing that will allow the kernel to run the way its creator intended. More research is needed before I switch over to the latest Incredikernel.

I should be able to settle into CM7 quite nicely after I figure it out to my satisfaction.

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[Droid Incredible General] ChuckFarley:
The latest SkyRaider kernel has been very impressive. There's no overclocking, but I've been getting a full day to day and a half with moderate to heavy use with no tinkering. I don't even have SetCPU running. Love this rom.
[Droid Incredible General] winston856:
I haven't said anything until now, but is there any reason you haven't used ziggys most updated kernel? You're using one from nov 24th, his latest release was 4/10 in HAVS and non HAVS flavor of BFS or CFS.

I'm currently using the 4/10 CFS with HAVS and I can get 2 days out of my 2150mah battery on my inc. That is with light usage though. Mainly just texts.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
Are you referring to the kernels listed on his website labeled

Ziggy471 Droid Incredible BFS-HAVS-OC-UC-Inter

and

Ziggy471 Droid Incredible HAVS-OC-UC-Inter-MinMax?

I wasn't sure they were OK for my phone. So if they don't list AOSP, they're Sense kernels?

I might still return to Sense. I want to try a few different launchers on CM7 because it just doesn't look polished enough for me out of the box. I then want to try a few kernels. Now that I know how easy all these changes can be, I'm sort of enjoying the sense (no pun intended) of adventure.
[Droid Incredible General] winston856:
One reason I'm with sense right now is because of how polished it is. Allow me to be specific. The kernels I'm referring to are here:

http://www.ziggy471.com/downloads/?category=5&sortby=date&dlpage=2

Ztest-INC-CFS-HAVS-041011 (183) and the BFS flavor are the latest as far as I know. I've been running the CFS with no issues and now I'm trying the BFS to see the difference.

So far these have gotten me the best battery life over Lou's and chad's incredikernel.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
How responsive are those kernels? HeyItsLou #9 had great battery life but I couldn't handle how laggy it was. I'm looking for a free lunch -- you know, better battery life without giving up anything else in terms of responsiveness.
[Droid Incredible General] winston856:
Very responsive, ziggy is an incredible programmer. I was running the CFS since that was the most responsive and getting great battery life. Like you I've tried Lou's #9 and other BFS kernels that gave me great battery life but were really jerky. So far the CFS kernels of every ROM have been the smoothest. I'm now on the BFS kernel and so far it's smooth which is different than the usual BFS kernels I've tried.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
Last night I tried the latest AOSP Incredikernel. I flashed it with no incident but was wondering why it immediately was draining faster than the default CM7 kernel. I eventually realized that I forgot to turn off wi-fi when I left for work.

Last night I also switched back to my Sense ROM. After only a few seconds I realized just how smooth Sense is compared to ADW. But there are a few features of ADW I just don't want to do without now that I've grown accustomed to them.

First are the power controls in the notification pull-down. On Sense I have to waste space on widgets to control wi-fi and GPS. Second, I really like the battery percentage indicated in the notification bar. I was using a widget for that too. So between these two features I have gained space for three additional icons on my screens. I also like how I can configure the bar at the bottom of the screen -- I have it set up to display (from left to right) contacts, app drawer, and dialer. Why does HTC lock theirs down?

After swiping through my Sense screens a few times, I simply reverted back to my CM7 back up made earlier in the day (before swapping out the kernel). I need to research a few other launchers to see if there are any that offer what ADW does, but with more polish.

I'm not sure that I'll go back to Sense because I can do just a bit more with CM7. I'm fairly certain that if I keep digging around and reading up on its abilities I'll end up being a permanent convert. Until I get a new phone, anyway.

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[Droid Incredible General] winston856:
I don't know if you have already but it's worth checking out sky raider 4.2 it does some if not everything you're asking for in your last post.
[Droid Incredible General] renzo.olivares:
well the new sense 3.0 roms have wifi toggles etc...in the notification pull Down

so no need for widgets and they have a beautiful 3d ui..eveyryhting is organized you still get the crt off and on animations from cm7 and over scroll glow etc..
[Droid Incredible General] winston856:
The cool thing about Skyraider 4.2 is that it has elements from CM7 in it like the togggles in the pull down menu and custom lockscreens you can change on the fly. Everything you can change on the fly without rebooting. It's a fricken solid rom!
[Droid Incredible General] Whi7eRa66iT:
I must agree.. I have been using Skyraider 4.2 as well for over a week now and it has been rock solid plus the notification bar having customizable buttons is really nice. You can modify those buttons as well as modifing Rosie on the fly. (Not really conducive to this over all thread discussion I know sorry.)
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
Your comments and suggestions are welcome! No worries. :)

You know, if I could get a Sense-based ROM that offers most of the features of CM7, I would switch back in a heartbeat. Now I have something else to research. Thanks.:p

My only issue with SkyRaider was that it had most of the bloat I trimmed out of my stock ROM. I am not interested in using most of the Sense widgets, but I sure do like the way Sense looks and performs. I guess I'll just have to trim the fat when I try SkyRaider again. (I'm downloading SkyRaider now and will most likely try it again after the 4th)

In the meantime, I am trying the latest AOSP Incredikernel on CM7. This time I promise I will be more aware of what I'm doing. I was getting just over one day out of the stock kernel under light-to-moderate use. Hopefully the new kernel will be able to get me at least an extra few hours.
[Droid Incredible General] jlokos:
You might want to try out DualRom x2. You can install 5 different roms (including the phone rom) to test them out. I have CM7, Nil's Business Ginger Sense, Uber Kingdom 3D, OMFGB and Miui.us on the phone. The Gingersense roms have some lag on the EMMC, and it is recommended that you use them on the phone. The AOSP roms work fine. This is a great way to try out different roms.

I have Chad's latest stable kernels installed on CM7 and MIUI with juice defender. I have had definite improvements in battery life. I have tried to install that kernel on OMFGB, but I get continuous boot loops. I'm not sure what the cause is.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
I've been using the latest stable AOSP Incredikernel for the last few days. Unfortunately, it has been no better for me on CM7 than the default kernel. I'm getting about 24 hours out a fully charged battery, running at the default smartass settings. The kernel responds about the same as the default as well.

To be fair, I've been using wi-fi much less these last two days, but I'm not sure if that would boost my longevity by much. I usually have my phone using wi-fi about 12 hours per day but the last few days it's been less than 6 hours per day. Even then, my usage has been a bit lighter than average as well.

While on 3G overnight, I've been using about 11% of my battery when wi-fi would have that at 5 or 6%. Adding in the other hours I've been on 3G instead of wi-fi, maybe I'd see a total of 10% more charge by the end of the day (35-40 rather than 25-30). That could add an overnight of no usage or maybe up to three hours of light usage. The jury is still out on this one. Maybe I'll revisit it at a later date. If I do revisit it, I will certainly try scaling back the CPU clock.

Tomorrow I'll back up my ROM and switch over to the latest stable SkyRaider release (4.2) and go with that for a few days. I suppose I should dust off the old adb skills so I can trim some of the fat...

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[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
I just switched over to SkyRaider 4.2. It sure is pretty but it's already pissing me off...

It's full of bloat. I mean, it's got almost all of the crap back in it that I took out of my original stock ROM. What's the point? Oh yeah, I guess some people use that junk but in the year plus that I've had my phone I've never used an HTC widget outside of the clock/weather one. Oh, and it would be nice if weather updated more than once an hour. Fancy Widgets can do it every 15 minutes... why can't (or won't) HTC?

I also really hate the straight bar to pull down for unlocking the phone. I'm not sure why I feel so strongly about it, but the straight bar just seems to go against the curvy nature of Sense.

I don't like how when changing the function of the right button at the bottom of the screen the icon doesn't change -- I switched it to "People" but don't get the People icon on the button.

And it doesn't display the battery percentage in the notification bar. I'll try tracking one of these down, but it's a pain that it wasn't included.

You know, the more I think about it, the less I want to keep going through this crap of setting up my phone every time I switch ROMs. It sucks. All I really want is a stock Sense ROM that has the power widget in the notification pull down and battery % displayed in the status bar. SkyRaider is close but I don't know that I'll stick around long enough to make it just right when I already have a back up of CM7 that's just fine...

Sorry for all the negativity, but I guess I'm looking for a ROM that looks like Sense (with none of the bloat) but acts like CM7. As far as I can tell after only a few minutes, SkyRaider is almost there. But I guess I'd rather have everything else but Sense than have Sense but almost everything else.

I'm going back to CM7 and will stay there until HTC upgrades the Incredible to Gingerbread. I'll see if they've added anything worthwhile. If so, I'll root it again and see what I can do. Otherwise, I'll just stick with CM7 until I get a new phone.
[Droid Incredible General] k_nivesout:
You say you want a rom that looks like sense but said the only sense widget you use is the flip clock? What part of the appearance of sense do you want? There are sense themes for CM7. Personally I think sense is ugly and clunky, but its definitely possible to emulate on AOSP roms. Hell, you can even get the sense 3.0 lockscreen on MIUI.
[Droid Incredible General] T-Keith:
I'm not sure if it has everything you want but synergy has pull down power toggles, percentage battery, and sense. You may just want to run launcher pro if you don't want the sense dock.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
I like how polished Sense is. The dock at the bottom is nice but I wish it were more customizable. I like the font it uses and I like how smoothly it works. I like the Sense camera and camcorder, although I rarely used them. I like the "Droid" boot screen (even though I could change it on CM7). Overall, I really like the appearance and smoothness of Sense.

There are just a few features I have gotten used to having now that I'm using CM7. So now I'm looking to try ADW themes. Right now I'm using a Sense-type one that changes a few of the system icons and improves the appearance of the dock. I like it. But now I want to check into switching the font used on the lock screen and the Fancy Widgets weather clock. It reminds me too much of the fonts from when I was a kid that tried to look futuristic. Now they just look horribly outdated. I'm sure I'll be able to figure something out.

One other thing I would change in the status bar is adding a digital readout of signal strength alongside the number of bars. I'll go searching, since I bet someone has already done this...

I might also change the direction of this thread and end up reviewing launchers. I've stuck with ADW so far because it's what comes with CM7, but there's no reason not to try others.

I've read that Launcher Pro, GO, and Zeam make good launchers. I just need to read up on them to see which one might offer me the most of what I'm looking for.
[Droid Incredible General] k_nivesout:
Apparently with CM6 you could show dbm in the status bar instead of bars but that feature unfortunately hasn't been ported to CM7. I remember reading that there is an app that can put it in the notification area but you still have the bars..

Might also try some CM7 theme chooser themes, there are hundreds, and some really outstanding ones.
[Droid Incredible General] liteon163:
Time to take a breather, guys. I'm wearing myself out trying to change so many things all the time. I'm just going to settle down a bit and enjoy my phone for awhile.

But I'm settling down with Launcher Pro for now, so I'm still working on the thread. I'm just not so furiously.

I've settled on the default CM7 kernel for now, as I can get 20+ hours of moderate use out of it with the ONDEMAND setting.

I'll be back with more input, most likely by the end of the week.