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[Droid X General] sfreemanoh:
Yeah, he was referring to lamarrk's post. For you, SBF'ing back to .340 should do it. Some updates have failed in the past if the phone was ever rooted, since unrooting it apparently doesn't completely remove all traces of the rooting.
[Droid X General] justin251:
Awesome. Still at work. Crap.
[Droid X General] sfreemanoh:
That's why I have RSD Lite and everything else configured at home as well as work. :P
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JGeZau:
Hello guys,

First of all, I'm not new to rooting or custom ROMS, having said that my question is, what is the best method to root an EVO?

Browsing thru the forums, I found the following methods:

[ROOT] ~~~ HTC EVO - Universal Auto Root ~~~ v2.5 (4/25/11)

To my understanding, this method will flash a custom rom "Sprint Lovers ROM"

and

[Program] SimpleRoot .1 ---- 3 Click Root w/ nand unlock!!

This method recommends flashing a custom rom

Now, I do not want to flash a custom rom since I'm doing this for a friend and I do not want him to be dealing with custom roms, nandroid backups, etc. Is there another method to root an evo? Without having to flash a custom rom.

Thank you :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirkyd3rk:
Easiest, fastest, coolest way to root without a custom rom. Might have some issues with permissions if you don't flash a custom rom unless you're just trying to do basic junk like tether. I'd actually recommend flashing a stock rooted custom rom instead of just gaining root on the eng stock rom. Make sure you hit up the market and download busybox if you don't flash a custom rom and update superuser.

Run unrevoked 3 (1st one)

http://unrevoked.com/

Stock rooted rom, or you could just run sprint lovers. It just has few added tweaks but mostly stock.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=874251
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JGeZau:
Thank you ;) and yes, he just wants to tether
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alaman68:
unrevoked................
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dpilcher:
Browsing thru the forums, I found the following methods:

[ROOT] ~~~ HTC EVO - Universal Auto Root ~~~ v2.5 (4/25/11)

To my understanding, this method will flash a custom rom "Sprint Lovers ROM"

Now, I do not want to flash a custom rom since I'm doing this for a friend and I do not want him to be dealing with custom roms, nandroid backups, etc. Is there another method to root an evo? Without having to flash a custom rom.

Most of the Hot Spot App usage will be from a custom rom in order for it to be unlocked. Wireless Tether will usually work as well and all you need is root. There are plenty of stock ruu's out there as well, but is a little more time consuming to run.

If you look down a little on xHaux's post in your first link...you can do a quick version that does not flash Sprint Lovers:

Instructions for Quick method:

This will completely wipe your phone. If you would like to back up your apps you can use Titanium backup to save them. It also has an option to save the system files but this can result in a buggy ROM afterward.

Extract AutoRoot.zip into a folder that is easy to find.

Open a DOS prompt by running the OpenShell file.

Type 'autoroot quick' and press Enter

It will then flash the engineering bootloader and the recovery through fastboot. Once it is finished you can use the bootloader menu to boot into the recovery and make a NANDroid, flash a ROM, radios, etc.

No matter the reason...a nandroid is always a good idea if only to do it once your happy with your decision on what to run.....something WILL happen when he/she finds out what options are out there. A quick restore will get you back to day one.

Also look even a bit farther down in the thread..there are options based on what hboot you have. xHausx's method was such a breeze...just sit back and watch the scripts do the work for you!

Good Luck
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sitlet:
Unrevoked. One click and done.
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
The early gingerbread release is designed to keep people happy. so they make an update happen on the 20th of June with android 2.3.3 system is complete but they aren't done with RIL, kernel and modem optimization. They fork the most stable branch of the ril, kernel, and modem from samsung source tree. They delay this release from 2 weeks to 1 month. (usually the update comes in 2 week after successfully testing it). They did it to make the span between update seem short.

I think there is another update with 2.3.4 and stable optimized stuff after 2 week in "samsung time" after the initial update to gingerbread *

* "Samsung time" may be 4x more than expected

just my 2 cents:P
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
meh, not buying it. more to gain by keeping on course. lots of phones doing it right now so bricks and problems are so expected that they can write it off.
[Epic 4G General] ccnd8:
I take this as a bad news! :(

Nice to see you back noobnl. :)
[Epic 4G General] babystewie:
Since most phones are not on gingerbread yet, I'm not surprised if it is delayed.
[Epic 4G General] silver03wrx:
He is saying we will have the gingerbread update on the 20th then another even more optimised update after that. So there's no delay. We will be on gingerbread it will just get better ppl so be happy
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
Exactly what I was reading. Sorry, for wandering off course, read it too fast.
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
I sorta agree with noobnl, if anything it makes it look like they are trying hard to keep it updated by having more updates...

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[Epic 4G General] daddymikey1975:
really, this isn't too bad. I wouldn't call it "... look like they are trying hard..."

I'd call it here's a 'fairly' stable build. play with it while we watch XDA for the bugs, we'll tweak the bugs, then do a maintenance release to fix the bugs :)

If anything this is a good thing for their PR.. they've had a bad rap over the years regarding updates.. this (so far) has been a welcomed change of pace IMO
[Epic 4G General] warrior420:
I agree. :D
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I accept any updates with open arms.

Sent from my perfect epic
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
Of course they'll probably release bug fixes. You made a "prediction" out of something that's more or less a truism.

However, I disagree. Aside from the camera and keyboard, the Epic is very much like the Nexus S 4g. They already have complete source for that. Aside from integrating Sprint Spyware and Touchwiz, very little has to be done from the existing Nexus S 4g. Major stability issues would exist here.

Now, the Nexus S 4G does have known bugs, which is where the truism part comes in. The Epic will be subject to any bugs the Nexus has, otherwise they would have fixed it there first. It's well known that the Nexus S 4g gets sub-par data speeds. Whether or not this will be transferred to the Epic is to be determined.

You also set your margins of error pretty wide, first saying they'll be deploying ril, modem, and kernel fixes, then in your second stanza saying they'll be rolling out "optimizations". Employing fixes in the base layers critical to stability of the platform are hardly optimizations. Further, you cite 2 weeks for this prediction, and then expand it to 2 months. This is a pretty large window.

At what point in this blathering of a post did you actually make a prediction? :p
[Epic 4G General] ccnd8:
Again, that's just his predictions/presumptions. Don't flamed the poor guy. Just like everyone else, all are just predictions and presumptions. When updates hit your phone, then it will. Stop flaming the dude before he goes into extinction for another few months! LOL :D
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
As soon as you have something usefull to say, post it. Until then, just read.

Sent from my perfect epic
[Epic 4G General] swear0730:
What he said.
[Epic 4G General] BroadcastDoc:
I see a lot of facts not in evidence here, and a lot of wishful thinking. My feeling is that you're sadly mistaken if Samsung worries about the appearance of "keeping up" or that not releasing updates in a timely manor is "bad PR". I would hazard a guess that less than 5% of the Epic 4G user base hangs out here, or even spends much time thinking about what OS they run. They don't care unless it's broken, and the current version isn't.

It's easy to wish for it, and even try to project your reality onto the situation, but here's the fact - Samsung is a HUGE company and the Epic 4G accounts for probably .002% of their biz. They aren't losing sleep over what the Epic user base is thinking about. Heck, a few months ago we didn't even think that GB was in the cards for the Epic.

So I guess my opinion is that it will happen when it happens. To try and read between the lines is no better than a wild guess at this point.
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
Before people flame me, I was partially being facetious. Hence the :p

Not hatin', noobnl.

I did post my counter-thoughts. Beyond mirroring Nexus S 4g, any future patches should be mainly stability improvements in the TouchWiz/Android integration. Gingerbread, despite being a minor update in looks, was a huge update in API. A lot of stuff is likely broken that will slip QA.

There will always be follow-up patches in any software release cycle. The Epic had 2/3(?) patches for Eclair, 2 patches for FroYo, and probably no less than 2 for GB, since it'll be the last update for a while, if ever.

I apologize for posting my counter-thoughts in his thread. Next time I will make a new one.

I also apologize for coming off as attacking noobnl. I wasn't aware he had a beer flavored schlong. :D
[Epic 4G General] Paul627g:
Well if there is anyone's 2 cents around here I would put money on its noobnl. If there is anyone who knows what goes into developing the OS and what goes into making it all work it would be noobnl or Dameon87. Two of the most recognized and respected names in Epic 4g hacking history in my own opinion. Many of the newer users in the past few months have no clue who these two people are or what they have done but if it wasn't for these guys we wouldn't have squat for the Epic 4g. Before anyone doubts what these two and others have to say they should do their studying and read up on who's names are all over OneClickRoot, CWM and many other things we use constantly in rooting and hacking with the Epic 4g.

Just my 2 cents...
[Epic 4G General] bigray327:
LOL, coming from you.
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
Oh, I agree, Noobnl, Dameon87, and k0nane are the **** around here. This community would be largely lost without them.

They're not the best though, that title is reserved for dzo, the guy who got Android working from largely scratch on the HTC Touch (Windows phone), my old community.

I'm aware of the integration aspects of Android. I've compiled my own AOSP for the HTC Touch, built a GPS driver for the HTC Touch, and done some RIL hacking / development. Further, I was employed for 3 years as a linux developer for small platforms just like these phones. Alas, I do not have the time commitment nor the strive anymore unlike those three above.

I give my hat to them, but I am more than capable of making my own highly experienced opinion.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Wait, what is that supposed to mean? :p I'm very helpful lol
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Well what ever the real percentage of epic users that visit this site are, this group of people have more power and control over total growth then you think (I own one,my dad,my brother,4 of my friends, because of me suggesting it), we have the power to spread hate or love by word of mouth, internet, twitter, FB, blogs... We may be small in number (its a bigger percentage then you think,bigger every day) but we do make waves in sales, period... So they have a tactic to keep use happy, leaks, rumors, rumors that are true, updates ,another update (Google tactic also for android, more updates = more interesting, but this is kicking them in the ass now because of fragmentation)...

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[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
No lol, This is an opinion thread. I would like to hear everybody opinion on this topic. Do not assume everyone is attacking me... Don't defend me.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
I agree with Noobnl. If anyone saw the EF02.rdf leak, you can see they are patching it up still, even though they will release EE19 on June 20. EF02 still says 2.3.3, so I don't think this will ever hit day, but it seems like they're getting to 2.3.4 with patches along the way.

EE19 will most likely be like EB13, I hope. A nearly finished build with a few kinks to work out released a bit early to make us happy.
[Epic 4G General] noobnl:
You will have to account how they implement to android and kernel are different, heck even the driver might be different. Samsung doesn't release all the stuff to kernel and android system, so they might gave them the bare minimum, such as the hardware documentation and sources.

True because Samsung had a bad reputation of not releasing update on time.
[Epic 4G General] spyderfry:
Nice noob. you completely changed my opinion of you with your response to that comment by laughing it off. While often coming accross as aloof and arogant, you have your moments.

What I can't stand is the ass-kissing that is so pervasive on these boards. ugh! THERE IS A THANKS BUTTON PEOPLE! "oh and btw, i'm going to change the name of my first born to Noobnl and OMG, NOOBNL, UR BETTER THAN GOD. :rolleyes:

That's what i'm talking about.
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
If that's the case I'd almost rather they hold back and squash more bugs. Now that pretty much everyone is on Froyo of one flavor or another (except for the early adventurous adopters of leaky GB) it should hurt a lot less to wait. If they're going to update more, heck, just make mine ICS 2.4 Android. ;-)
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Has EE19 been for sure confirmed at a late june release? Last I read it was pretty much speculation by ecooce and WDM. Don't think I read them say it was concrete, although I may be wrong.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
No, you are correct. It's not 100% confirmed, but since WDM has ties with Sprint I thought I'd just take his word for it.
[Epic 4G General] swear0730:
What he said.

I have an Epic. My son, 2 daughters, son-in-law and a coworker have bought Epics based solely on my recommendation. None of them have ever been on this site and never will. I visit on average twice a day. If I think that Samsung abandons their devices then I will not recommend Samsungs in th future. We ARE making a 2 year commitment now. That's a long time in tech-years.
[Epic 4G General] dr_gibberish:
Obviously people use the thanks button too. Look at noobnl's thanks count. He's the only person I've seen on XDA who has nearly as many thanks for his posts as he has posts!

PS Great to see you on here again noobnl, UR BETTER THAN THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!
[Epic 4G General] Tandrew86:
This is exactly what I was about to post. Also, they likely will want to push out Gingerbread to US SGS before the SGSII (US Variants) reviews start coming in.

Memory can be real brief if you exceed expectations.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
We steamrolled Samsung John pretty good while letting him pretend to do his job.
[Epic 4G General] squshy 7:
This.

I, too, believe that you can't measure US sgs xda users' influence as simply a gross total of how many of us there are. That number can easily triple by direct word of mouth, then triple again because of 2nd hand word of mouth. Trust me, companies are well aware of the power of influence. (Consider the ENTIRE restaurant industry. The whole idea behind restaurants "marketing" is word of mouth. True advertising is reserved only for national chains, and even that can be perceived as largely inadequate when placed next to the effectiveness of word of mouth)

However, there is definitely a valid point to be made in stating that samsprints update model for the epic is completely catered to satisfy xda users. Thinking in absolutes like that is foolish. I'm sure its a compromise somewhere between satisfying us, satisfying normal end users, and satisfying a business goal.

But thinking that Samsung hasn't paid attention, will continue to be lazy with updates, and generally doesn't care about keeping our devices up to date, is even more foolish. Rest assured, noobnl is probably right. We WILL be getting gbread in a timely fashion, even if it has bugs (xda is the perfect testing/feedback ground too, don't forget that...sneaky samsung john comes to mind...). And I fully believe we will get ice cream sammich before our time is up.

There's one thing to be considered here, and I made the point a while ago and it still holds true. Sprint and Samsung are shaping up to be a verrryyy close partner with google, and in turn, with developers. Samsung will shortly be one of only two manufacturers t debut the chromebook. Sprint with its gvoice integration, and soon to be the first with googles "pay wave" service. And with unlimited (affordable) data, and if you believe the rumors, ProjectLeapfrog, the samsprint combo teamed up with google will make for a very powerful beast. All that being said, and if you were to agree with me, one would then surmise (quite logially) that it is in all 3 of their best interests to keep xda users happy.
[Epic 4G General] biscojams:
Beer flavored-shlong sounds interesting
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
I showed a coworker my modded phone because she knows I follow this stuff and her contract is ending. She can't wait to come back to Sprint with the Within, since it's like her current phone in layout. I'm pretty sure she plans to ask me how to set this stuff up.
[Epic 4G General] sonjohn1:
You fogot his beer flavored schlong. LOL!
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Agreed... Oh and first rounds on noobnl, homo ;)

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[Epic 4G General] adelmundo:
Remember the HTC and locked bootloader incident? The small user base that reads forums and are fanatical about their phones stirred enough hoopla to change HTC's mind. I think a company like Samsung sees the possible mutiny that can happen if you upset the fringe fanatics. Look at all the bad rap they got from the Froyo release and how it spread on the net. Bad PR for them. Now that they are trying to correct past wrongs, I am more than willing to buy a SGSII when my year with the Epic is up on August 30 (I am gold since I am on the 900 min plan, thanks to my company paying for my cell bill).
[Epic 4G General] ecooce:
Agreed.... Where is my beer, lol

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[Epic 4G General] sgiitk:
Folks, you are forgetting Epic 4G users far from your shores. There are quite a few of us in India. CDMA is a smaller player with three networks as against a dozen + in GSM. Out of these three one (Tata) does not allow registration of outside MEIDs, so essentiallyw e are down to two Reliance and MTS. The former is probably the second biggest in India adding (hold your breath) 2 million subscribers a month.Remember we are a billion plus in India!

A lot of Epic 4Gs find their way to our shores as well.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jm5503:
Thinking about trading my EVO 4G for an Epic 4G......Why should I? Why shouldn't I? The reason I'm contemplating is because the EVO is about to become old news once the EVO 3D comes out....while the Galaxy S II has a later release date on Sprint..........plus I can run cm7 and basically have a nexus s with a keyboard minus the nfc chip.......what do you guys and gals think???
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VirusZer0:
I would advise against it. My fiancee has an Epic Fail...and she hates it. It locks up all the time and the SMS goes out of order. The battery is horrid. The worst ones are those that came stock with 2.1 and later upgraded to 2.2. They lock up all the time.

Regards,

Tee Jay
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jm5503:
Thx.....anyone else????
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cesarcerros31:
The epic to me is old news already I have only seen one in my life time but with the addition of added bulk and a far less dev support I say stick with the evo

sent from my Motorola XOOM
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monkeychef:
The epic has been old news for a while now sadly. I used it for a week and hated it. I was so happy when I went to the Evo. I'm excited to see how the 3D compares to the original, although I am sure that the 3D will blow it away. You should either wait for the 3D or the GSII
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] popper668:
bought the Epic on opening day and quickly regreted it. enough said, if you want new hardware go with the 3D. I will be staying HTC for a while to come..:o
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amd4life:
epic

better screen colors

far better wifi speed..this is significant if you have a connection over 15Mb

better battery life using bonsai

keyboard if you need that (the slider is kinda soft though)

feels like a toy, due to all the plastic

buttons get a tad soft

evo wins

larger screen

better build quality

better dev support--big plus

battery life sucks

data connections seem about the same to me

I have them both sitting here, two separate account
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shadowstalker69:
My first recommendation would be to decide if you want a physical keyboard or not.

They add a lot of bulk and take space that can house other/faster components. I would never go back to a physical keyboard. I would rather a smaller/lighter phone with more screen real estate and a slimmer profile.

...however some ppl (my wife for example) miss the physical keyboard greatly which would change things...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] metalfan78:
I had a Samsung vibrant, basically an epic without a keyboard. I hated it. Too much lag, bad GPS...good screen and huge internal storage were the only good things. Switched to sprint and the evo and haven't looked back

We're comin from a pure power source.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wrxlvr:
You'd hate it as much as I did.

The Epic feels very fat compared to the Evo. The slider is constantly trying to open when you don't want it to. Touchwiz is not as nice as Sense (if you're keeping them somewhat stock). The colors on the Epic, especially reds and oranges, seem way overboosted and unnatural on the Epic, and when watching movies on it, I could see a "screen door" type of thing on it.

I only had an Epic because I sent my Evo in for repairs (and opted out of Sprint's insurance). I had it for a week, and was REALLY happy to return it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TpyoKnig:
Evo to Epic

I wouldn't do it, I had an Epic and 1) nowhere as big as a developer/user base than for the Evo. 2) The LCD is nice but IMO the battery on Epic is less than that of the Evo. 3) the camera on my Epic just straight up died for a no reason after the 2.2 after was applied and would cease to ever work again. (google it, "camera failed to start samsung epic).

Keep the Evo!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jborell3:
I agree with the other posts. The epic adds too much bulk just for a keyboard which has low quality buttons and could better utilize this space for more and better hardware. Plus the Dev support is substantially less. Stick with the evo, it is much better
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lost_man10002:
Don't do it...My wifey has a epic and she gets mad when I show her all the kool roms I have on my phone lol...Now she vowes to never get any phone unless I get it first lol...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asmd6230:
had to choose between the two recently, maybe this will help.

http://asmd.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/evolution-vs-revolution/

regards,

asmd.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jm5503:
Thx guys.....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stuke00:
lol good luck getting CM7 or any custom rom to run on the Epic.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jm5503:
Lol....I know that's the only thing that is stopping me from doing the trade.....