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[Android General] timboyce94:
As I seem to keep saying in different forums:

"Although there is a micro-HDMI port, plugging a HDMI cable does not mirror the display to an external device"

Source: http://musicphotolife.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/asus-padfone-review-user-experience.html

Obviously there would need to be a software hack to fully utilise the hardware that way, in fact now that i think of it, this long-term thought of a desktop-style accessory may be the reason it's impossible to do simple mirroring.

What I think would be best would be a dock from them with video out and the usb ports while charging - think about if you use hdmi to monitor, then power to micro-usb, no chance of you using a micro-usb to usb adapter to plug in devices. So a dock that uses the charging pin things on the side for power and allows USB (like the monitor accessory) would be ideal.

Something else I want to raise is USB 3.0 on the monitor accessory? Can the padfone really utilize the speeds of this? Wouldn't that mean that the micro-usb on the padfone would have to be 3.0? I'm a little curious about this...
[Android General] cty.stuart:
exactly!!! a micro-hdmi should be all it needs.

bcuz padfone is compatible with hid devices whether it is bluetooth or usb plugins.

you got your keyboard and 2 usbs by default on the original keyboard dock.

the only thing which you lacked out from the set is a 3.0USB. now padfone is 64GB maximum... how often do you need 3.0??

PRICYYYYYYY =(
[Android General] timboyce94:
Not quite, think about it. You can't use the USB or anything from keyboard dock and use HDMI out at the time as tablet dock only has HDMI in not out. As I said would need to being in Phone mode with HDMI out, microusb to USB and charging connectors for power.
[Android General] Someone09:
Just read about the desktop dock, too.

I honestly wasn´t expecting Asus to go that far so early.

But I think this is exactly where everything is going in the end.

But right now I can´t completely leave MS.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
sorry my mistake... i'm still dreaming that padfone has the mini/micro hdmi port that the transformer series had.

NOW I KNOW WHY THEY REMOVED THE PORTS FROM THE TABLET!!! THEY PLANNED THIS DOCK THING ALL LONG TIME AGO!!!!!! arghhh!!! what a way to earn customer's commitment, consistently...
[Android General] 3mL:
After I read the Verge review of Padfone I'm kinda scared that the S4 wont perform as good as I'd hope in tablet mode..

Anyone whom have it can try out some benchmarks in tablet vs phone mode?

Also perhaps see if there's a severe performance loss in browsing heavy sites such as alot of flash content.

Much obliged.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
On the contrary, padfone performed rather well on both tablet and phone mode. Youtube for padfone benchmarks. Theres already a video on it. It's probably not as good as sg3, but definitely not an entry level phone. Much better than most phones on the market. On certain benchmarks, it even scored better than htc one x and transformer prime.
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Better than the prime? That's awesome........... But that's probably when it's not docked?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
See attached. Only in some of the benchmarks. The performance don't change that much whether you dock it or not :)
[Android General] 3mL:
Just to be clear.. Is that docked or no docked? I already know about the benchmarks made with qHD resolution, I'm only interested in the 1280x800 resolution benchmarks and performance.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Not docked. With pad station. I don't think docking would make any difference at all
[Android General] SparkyRih:
The screen resolution may be higher, but it's not that much higher actually... In inches it is, but in pixels it's not.........

And the thing is stronger than the TF101, and I don't have any issues with mine (even when it was not overclocked)...
[Android General] cty.stuart:
yep... way stronger than tf101... only problem is it's fat and heavy... hahahah
[Android General] 3mL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfp9rXNH9_4&feature=player_detailpage#t=164s
[Android General] SparkyRih:
If I lookup the specs it's about 0.5 cm fatter :P That's not really a lot :P
[Android General] jlyne1234:
Rooted about a week back and haven't had the camera force close yet
[Android General] commensal:
No sir, Starhub doesn't sell it without a contract and can't find it somewhere else...
[Android General] cty.stuart:
0.5cm is FAT when a full size ultrabook is <1cm thick :P
[Android General] cty.stuart:
can you give us an insight of the phone plans for padfone by starhub please? including the minutes and text etc
[Android General] SparkyRih:
I'm sorry, I meant mm...

padfone: 13.55 mm

tf101: 12.98 mm
[Android General] cty.stuart:
See attached. Another benchmark on quadrant
[Android General] cty.stuart:
see attached...FAT :D
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Yeah, but now you're comparing the bulky phone part thing :P.....

I had hoped my padfone would've arrived tomorrow, but the EMS tracking state doesn't even say it arrived, while the plane touched down yesterday :S
[Android General] 3mL:
Okay thanks! But why would the editor of the Verge say that the Padfone is slow when docked?

"When the PadFone's just running as a phone, there are virtually no issues, but too much seems to get lost in translation when you're using it in tablet mode.

There's a lot more stutter and lag, even doing simple things like opening the app drawer — it frequently hangs for a second mid-animation before finally settling the icons into their correct spots."

That's the only thing that currently holding me back from the Padfone. :(

My main reason why I held back from buying a Samsung Galaxy Note was to see how Padfone would come out and perform. Since the padfone station is the main reason why anyone would buy the Padfone.

I can't see a reason to buy it if it would act sluggish while docked - when people say the resolution difference is so small, it's still ~50% more pixels when docked in the station.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Just to clarify a few comments in the video,

Re: apps crashes when you remove the phone from tablet. That's not the issue of the tablet. That's becuz the 3rd party apps haven't update to support the dynamic switching yet. The native apps run absolutely fine. Overtime, the 3rd party apps should update themselves to adapt.

Re: spinning thing that never goes away. This usually happens when you haven't push the phone all the way in. if it does, it usually works﻿ fine and does the dynamic switch in a few secs

Re performances. There are a few benchmarks like quadrant and vellamo where padfone scored way higher than the best asus tablet in the market officially (ie. tf201 prime, not the win 8 ones or TF700). Of course, benchmarks is just a number, it all comes down to the actually user experience of it. Having used it thoroughly for a good﻿ 2 weeks now, it's not very far from TF201 prime.
[Android General] 3mL:
Why the padfone scores so much on benchmarks is that everyone always measuring the scores without the phone docked.

It's like comparing the HTC One S vs HTC One X AT&T version

For example: http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5779/46111.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5779/46109.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5779/46107.png
[Android General] cty.stuart:
The scores i put up earlier is the score with the phone docked inside the tablet. The tablet do not function without the phone. It's empty screen with speaker battery ansd front camera only.

P/s when only the phone is benchmarked, the score is still almost identical
[Android General] 3mL:
Heh.. I know that the Padfone station itself is just a screen, speakers and a battery.

And I bet everyone already knows that Quadrant is not a.. Recommended benchmark to go after. Since the score can change upwards 1k according to which rom you use.

I'm 100% sure that there's a performance loss in tablet mode, the only answer I want is how much of a performance loss.

No offence
[Android General] cty.stuart:
allright, here are the numbers:

Vellamo: 2281 (phone) vs 2287 (tablet)

Antutu: 6726 (phone) vs 6579 (tablet)

hope that helps =)
[Android General] 3mL:
Much appreciated!

Hmm, not that much of a difference as I thought.. Since there's such a major difference between One S and One X AT&T

What about Nenamark 1/2 or any other GPU benchmark?

Good to see the CPU doesn't bother alot with the resolution difference.

Do you feel any difference at all in phone vs tablet mode?

foremost in Browsing and Flash usage.

I'm really glad someone with the Padfone & Padfone Station is able to respond to my questions. :D

Make it much easier to chose whether or not to buy it.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Are you referring the big difference between One S and One XL? or One X? The one X/XL is recognised as the superior series compared to One S. Even between One X and One XL is different as one runs on S4 while the other Tegra 3.

Personal usage wise, not really. However, it is worth pointing out that in ICS tablet and ICS phone browser, the browser itself is slightly different natively. Speed and responsiveness (including flash loading) wise, I haven't note any difference. You might wanna check with other padfone users to get 2nd opinion as each user definitely have different eperiences.
[Android General] 3mL:
I'm speaking of the One X with S4 processor.. XL or X AT&T version. Not the Tegra 3 version.

Hmm okay sounds good!
[Android General] phoxy84:
Is the padfone dock the 'normal' asus dock? So if I want a Dutch keyboard I can just buy a Transformer prime keyboard?
[Android General] PlanetJumble:
It will work, but it's not perfect. The two docks are not the same, though pretty close. The hinge at least is different, the one from the original Transformer holds the tablet a bit higher and lets you open up to a wider angle, making the whole construction tip over.

EDIT: oh, right, didn't look close enough - the original Transformer only, not the Prime. And it doesn't have to tip over, you just need to be careful how wide you open it up (and maybe eventually get problems when the mechanism doesn't hold as tight as it does brand new).

Asus Germany responded to a personal mail, as I read on another forum. They said the PadFone should be available by the end of July! This takes away most of my options for this year's buying plan. Currently, I am considering away from the PadFone again, even though I really wanted it. If the Galaxy Nexus only had 32 GB storage, I'd get one right now, and a tablet maybe later. I will probably take over my phone number to a prepaid card and stick to my old device until there is one worth buying. Then I will have to pay a lot in cash, but I can't help it right now. :(
[Android General] creed555:
The one thing that bothers me is that the padfone and the padfone station doesn't have a USB or micro USB port. That means that I'm obligatory to buy the keyboard if I want to use a USB devices on a padfone/station.

Is that correct?

Thanks
[Android General] phoxy84:
Ok, thanks for the answer. If the padfone will be in Germany the end of July I will wait for that moment. I don't want to import from Taiwan because of the customs. Worst case is adding 19% to the value of the padfone. I think that is too much. So I want to order when the Padfone is in Europe (maybe Italy) and want to order without the keyboard so I can add it later when the padfone arrives in The Netherlands.
[Android General] shenmecar:
hahahaha, they really thought long and hard for that name.

It looks kinda interesting though!
[Android General] cty.stuart:
A little addition, padfone is compatible with the 1st generation transformer ie. Tf101. Not tf prime due to the thickness.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Well you can still use usb with just the pad station. There is a usb adapter that you can plug into the 40pin on pad station. It's original by asus. Cost about gbp20. Same one u could use for transformer series :)
[Android General] phoxy84:
Ok, but then I can better wait for the real deal ;) Then I know for sure that it is compatible and ment for the padfone :D
[Android General] cty.stuart:
There is already a video on backwards compatibility of padfone dock. Youtube for it
[Android General] SparkyRih:
The girl on youtube tells about the tf101 dock being compatible with the padfone... but it tips over since the weight of the padfone is different...
[Android General] cty.stuart:
should i try it on mine?? i m still hesitating after 2 weeks u know... hahahha
[Android General] phoxy84:
I see, for sure I will wait for the Dutch (Or other QWERTY) dock.
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Tiwan also has QWERTY, but they also hve chinese chracters next to the regular letters, that's a little detail imo.... looks kinda cool imo :P
[Android General] olly230:
rooting the padfone

I've seen this

http://xdaforums.com/wiki/ASUS_Padfone#Getting_root_access

I am noob. ADB and echo...?

Is that code so you can make your own root script?

Should have mine on monday
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Is yours sent by EMS?
[Android General] olly230:
no. delivered by a friend.
[Android General] phoxy84:
Can you friend bring an other ;)
[Android General] olly230:
ha.

He had enough hassle bringing two back (so many boxes)
[Android General] SparkyRih:
"One device" so many parts/boxes... reminds me of my LEGO days XD
[Android General] cty.stuart:
this is one COOL LEGO :D
[Android General] cty.stuart:
to ppl who are about to get your padfones:

here're a few tips:

once u get your padfone, register with asus cloud storage WITH A NEW EMAIL (not the one u use for you tf101) and DO THAT FROM YOUR PADFONE (not PC). Every padfone user will get 32GB free cloud storage on asus webstorage for 3 years. that's one thing they didn't tell you on the box :D

Also, Padfone is probably one of the 1st android to offer Garmin Street Pilot Turn by Turn mapping. it comes preloaded with taiwan map, but u can easily swap the map for garmin europe if you have (i swapped mine for a detail UK map :D)

There will be a few Hami Apps in Chinese if you ordered your sets from Taiwan. It's something like Spotify we have here. Asus gives you 3 months free subscription to Hami. But honestly, everything is in Chinese. So you can disable it if you find it useless
[Android General] paciotti:
PenTile or not?

I'm looking for more info about the screen of PadFone.

ASUS don't mention PenTile or not-PenTile in the specification page, but the man who present the device in this video says it's a Super AMOLED Plus screen (so, without PenTile, right?) :confused:.

Someone can confirm one of these informations (only one, please :))?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
i am fairly sure the phone itself is merely super amoled... no plus...

however, the screen of tablet station is still a mystery... it could well be IPS... unlikely to be PLUS...don't quote me on the tablet screen though
[Android General] paciotti:
If you are fairly sure, you are not 100% sure... Don't take this as an insult.

My heart is hoping that the ASUS man is right and the display is a Super AMOLED Plus, but I know that most of information says it isn't!

I'm fine with the PenTile on my SGS, so I think this one should be better than mine, but I like best the SGS2 screen!

I'm looking for a certain fact that the display is not a Plus one.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
The fairly sure comes from the official keynote from asus chairman in mwc barcelona, the official asus website, and the user experience (it's bright but under sunlight, it is not as bright as the super amoled plus devices).

I am thus fairly sure. If padfone has a plus screen, why would they market /advertise it to be something lower?

Do you still need to ask me how sure am i?
[Android General] paciotti:
No. I'm good!

I missed the "user experience" part of the thread (I only search for "amoled" didn't read the whole thread).

If you are SO sure, I think you can spend a "I AM SURE"!

Thanks!
[Android General] olly230:
@city.stuart

you're double posting - it the padfone broken?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Simply because i don't know whether to believe asus adverts or not.

See attached. Right is the official asus padfone video. You can find this video on YouTube.

But look at what i actually get on the left？ no ips selection or anything. Whether they just change the name if ips or wat？ i don't know. Not sure
[Android General] paciotti:
I completely missed this line of your post. I apologize for my insolence!

After buying your PadFone, you'll buy it again?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
No.... i am broken... not the phone... i was trying to modify the post...keep pressing the wrong button. Sorry ：)
[Android General] cty.stuart:
If they deliver on time, maybe (u don't wanna know how much trouble i have been through while communicating with the telco that sells it officially in taiwan. massive delay).

However see this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-HahPUu908&feature=youtube_gdata_player

there are so many new and cool stuff being announced in computex 2012 past few days. Hence maybe
[Android General] commensal:
You can see directly on their site.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
just did yesterday. thanx.
[Android General] zer0day:
For those ordering from overseas, how's the phone holding up on UK networks, specifically T-Mobile?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
worked perfectly fine on Vodafone UK. Does T-mob run the same bandwidth with voda? if yes, rest assured. all the way up to hspda+ speed. perfect.
[Android General] commensal:
If you're interested, there's a seller on ebay fron Estonia but the price is not really cheap...

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ASUS-PadFone-16G...0898937498?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2a1e6aba9a
[Android General] Florian-s:
Damn if it would be the 32 gb version I have paid the high price... but thanks for the information! If anyone find a ebay seller in eu with the 32 gb version please inform me... :D
[Android General] commensal:
I'm surprised to learn that there are 2 versions...
[Android General] cty.stuart:
There's 64gb too but not in the market yet
[Android General] jlyne1234:
I'm on T-Mobile and I get the same signal quality as my old s2. All UK networks use 2100 for their 3g though so they should all be fine
[Android General] commensal:
16GB version with 32gb micro sd is largely enough no?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Not enough for me :D
[Android General] SparkyRih:
So a 16GB version is not available yet?

I would've bought the 16GB version, I don't understand, not even 1%, why those storage size differences always make the pirce 100 euros higher...

And since I have my own private servers setup, I'm able to store everything there :D And if I run out of storage, I just pop in another TB disk XD
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Apparently there's an ebayer in Estonia selling 16GB. Surprisingly the price for it seemed to be abt the same as the 32GB sold by the ebayer in taiwan (1150USD)
[Android General] commensal:
Seems that there are only 16 and 32GB versions avalaible and 64 later.

Why different versions? Certainly to follow apple... and because they know that some people will be ready to pay more just to have the biggest even if they don't need so much space. It's a very old human nature...

---------- Post added at 11:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:17 PM ----------

He certainly bought devices in taiwan (don't know how he managed to avoid customs unless he bought many devices and had a good price) and the difference that should be between 16 and 32GB is his profit. I suppose...

Strangely i would prefer to buy something from taiwan than Estonia
[Android General] SparkyRih:
The padfone is already locally sold in Estonia...
[Android General] commensal:
Effectively, 529€, the mobile only without contract. But they don't deliver other country...

Can't understand why a country like Estonia is delivered before France...
[Android General] Florian-s:
Yes this is really weird :confused: normally western europe gets it earlier...
[Android General] cty.stuart:
The telco in Estonia must have made a good deal with asus perhaps? Padfone cost quite a bit. Not many telcos are willing to subsidise it?
[Android General] ThreeDaysAgo:
looks pretty sleek with a nice design, ASUS FTW
[Android General] Seifer1975:
Hi,

Need some help here. Was following the rooting guide on the wiki. Everything went smoothly until I hit the "adb remount" command and it says operation not permitted. Help! I need root!
[Android General] ando roido:
Be more specific where is that on the phone or web?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
See attached. It's pre loaded on padfone stock apps
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Here's another shot of Garmin main screen and uk map installed (inset)
[Android General] Florian-s:
Is it perhaps possible that in Europe in the first time only the 16 gb version will be sold? On any European site where you can pre-order it, it is only the 16 gb version...
[Android General] ando roido:
Damn I don't have it. Is it maybe only on Taiwan versions?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Likely. Current other official countries tat rolled out includes only Taiwan and Singapore. Both of them selling 32GB.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Er.... where did u get urs from? Estonia? Not sure if it is exclusive to Taiwan.
[Android General] ando roido:
If this uses real Garmin maps then I need to get it. Been waiting Garmin for Android long time.

Would you pull it and upload on here for xda community?
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Wohhh... not unless you ensure i won't get sued by garmin/asus or get threw outa xda forum :D
[Android General] ando roido:
Look around in other devices forums. Its all about hacking and porting apps to other ROMs. I am telling you that Garmin is long awaited.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
Ok. I will work on it. It might be quite a wait cuz I'm quite busy lately. So please be patient k? ;)

Where did yoi get your padfone from btw?
[Android General] ando roido:
Mine is is from Estonia.
[Android General] cty.stuart:
I see. Perhaps it is exclusive to taiwan then. Because it's preloaded with taiwan 3d map afterall
[Android General] Smintz:
imo you cant just somepare 2cores to 4cores. the phone u used with a 2core must be older than the padfone. the padfone features a new 2-core generation (its made in 28nm, is much faster and consumes less battery)

just my 2 thoughts.

edit:

Any news about release? i heard its april but i also heard its end of 2.quarter? iam unpatient and i want this phone+pad!!!
[Android General] Suleeto:
Have I been reading correctly about this phone that it only has a 3G radio?

This might be a problem for me. I want an LTE spec phone/tablet/whatever. I already have a 3G phone and 3G tablet.
[Android General] PlanetJumble:
It has been announced as 3G device (with European frequencies) at Barcelona - but there are variants of the chipset with LTE modem. They will probably introduce some slightly modified versions for the US carriers in the near future, I can imagine them having LTE where applicable. Fur us here in Europe LTE is just barely scratching the surface of becoming available.
[Android General] OrangeRafi:
Does the shell comes for free when you buy the phone or it's optional?

Sent from my GT-I9000
[Android General] Lennyuk:
As far as we all know you can only buy it as a set with the phone and tablet. And it won't be free it will be higher than the price of a normal phone.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Android General] gmengass:
this padfone looks really cool. i think i will definately buy this as long as they keep the price low. the extra batteries in the tablet and keyboard is great as well.
[Android General] nice2meet:
I want this padfone too. Let's vote in the meantime for an own forum;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1416406
[Android General] Rumy91:
Wow

Pretty nice. Got to have it!:D
[Android General] nice2meet:
Re Asus in Holland, the release in the Benelux has been delayed until Q3.

Here we go again...
[Android General] PlanetJumble:
Could you please give us a source for that?
[Android General] nice2meet:
Is has been confirmed by several websites, the most important is tweakers.net (all though obviously in Dutch, I'm Dutch too :))

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/80480/nieuwe-asus-tablets-komen-pas-in-derde-kwartaal-naar-benelux.html