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[Android General] basketor:
it seems to me that when docked, the tablet will reuse the jack output from the phone, and i guess the front caméra of the phone and proximity and light sensors will be visible through the glass of the tablet

that should reduce the cost of the tablet dock a lot, because all this parts were duplicated on the first padfone
[Android General] starrwulfe:
And here we go. Time to start saving that money yet one more time! So just from the video that we see, we do know that the new pad phone is using MHL in order to connect the video output to the new pad phone dock. We also know that is using a 4.7 in screen in the camera has been bumped up to 13 megapixels. I wonder if the front camera is also high megapixel too.

Since the back of the phone is now all the way exposed, does this mean that the internal GPS and 3g and WiFi antenna array inside will also disappear as well? This of course will make the pad phone dock much much lighter and also should reduce the cost. What about the speaker array? Of course it should have speakers hopefully they will be stereo. Finally the question is probably on everyone else's mind that has a Padfone one.... can we still use our keyboards or will we need new ones? :confused:
[Android General] creed555:
You can also check the images of the tablet on the link below. It's quite impressive to me.

www.engadget.com/2012/10/12/asus-padfone-2-video/

Bye
[Android General] Someone09:
Kinda disappointing to me actually.

On the other hand: Now I don´t need to save my money again to buy the new one.

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On the pictures from Engadget, you can see a mono speaker on the station.

I really doubt it.
[Android General] starrwulfe:
I think the main thing that I'm looking for is the ability to use this in America. As you know the only 3g bands that are included in the OG Padphone are the European and Asian bands; 900 & 2100 megahertz only. I had a helluva time trying to connect ipad phone too just the regular GSM network in America. AT&T network is 1900 and 850mhz so my calls with just suddenly drop whenever they were trying to switch over to the other band. Maybe if I did tried T Mobile Prepaid I might have not had such a big problem seeing that it's only 1900 megahertz across America. Steel that's not 3g at all; edge speeds suck!

Bottom line for me? If the new padphone 2 can support both European Asian and American 3g speed I'll buy it. If it supports LTE both here in Japan and in America that's just icing on the cake
[Android General] basketor:
OK et doesnt
[Android General] SparkyRih:
We've had a report that an Italian shop said that it would cost about 1000 euros...

But the lack of a keyboard dock can reduce the price of a full package :P :S
[Android General] Steven82:
that's more than the last padfone, I don't believe that at all.
[Android General] oroo708:
anyone else here have tried porting CWM to their device yet??
[Android General] SparkyRih:
http://padfoneclub.com/pl/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2433

Edit: Padfone 2 and Padfone Station in action on tape
[Android General] creed555:
Here we go...images an movie clips of new Asus Padfone

www.engadget.com/2012/10/16/asus-padfone-2-lte-taiwan/

www.engadget.com/2012/10/16/asus-padfone-2-vs-padfone-1-hang-out/

www.engadget.com/2012/10/16/asus-padfone-2-hands-on/

I don't really know if I like it more than the "old" padfone. I have a mix fellings.

Bye
[Android General] KingsnakeW:
Edited: creed555 already posted the links, see the post before.

No micro-sd, no keyboard, no backward compatibility, same tablet resolution, ICS. The only plus for me is that is lighter. I don't want a bigger phone and I think this is contraproductive in this combination (mobility with phone vs. resolution in tablet mode).

Well, no reason for upgrade for me. I prefer my Padfone 1 by comparison. Just get me Jelly Bean.
[Android General] Someone09:
EXACTLY what I was thinking.
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
Hmm. I want comparison photos or videos between that and the Padfone 1, mostly for size.

There goes my dream of getting a 2 keyboard for my 1 station. :(

Now the questions are "how much" and "can I resell my Padfone 1 if the handset for 2 isn't too big"...
[Android General] HelsinkiSisu:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/asus-padfone-2-vs-padfone/

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And more bad news for the UK and US...

I certainly won't be buying a PadFone 2. I have phones for at least two years. The differences aren't that great and I don't suffer iPochondria...
[Android General] basketor:
1,280 x 800 for the tabdock

what a let down
[Android General] creed555:
The price is also very high...

32GB costs 800€ (64GB=900€), but no keyboard, no usb, no sd card.....I think it's a fail.

Bye
[Android General] KingsnakeW:
But the launch event was nice. Maybe it will create a buzz and bring more development in this area.
[Android General] NineT9:
No keyboard?!

No freaking keyboard?! Are they crazy? That's one of the main reasons I even got the original PadFone!! I looooooooove using the keyboard to text, browse, shortcuts to menus, etc... and sure I can get a wireless usb/bluetooth one, but still doesn't do it like an attached keyboard.

Man that sucks there's no keyboard. I was all for buying this next week, but this might make me not get it anymore. I didn't mind the lack of a higher resolution on the tablet, or the no usb/microsd slot, but no keyboard thats a deal breaker.

Went from a 3in1 device to a 2in1, and I don't think thats enough to get me on board :(
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
Do you mean no SD card slot on the dock (which I can live without), or no micro-SD card slot on the handset itself? If I can't re-use the 64GB one I have in my current Padfone, the whole thing is a no-go.

I'm sure the Engadget video mentioned connectors on the bottom of the dock. They can't be forgoing the battery/keyboard that they've been so revolutionary with since the TF101, surely?

And I thought they were doing the event in Milan to show there was a Euro release very soon. Now it's in Taipei and no UK release before Christmas? WTF ASUS?
[Android General] oroo708:
cons:

no microSD, no keyboard, no removable battery, no full USB port.

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not sure but there is no hole for any pin or hook for keyboard dock to hold on the tablet, unless they created a very sturdy one.. there is only 13-pin(microUSB 2.0)http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/10/asus-padfone-2-vs-2012-10-15-16.jpg

I would say there is no hoping.

and Chen did say they would give a christmas present the price 64gb for 899 euro 32gb 799 are for padfone + tablet station
[Android General] HelsinkiSisu:
One step forward, two back...
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
That's settled then. I'll get a keyboard off ebay for the padfone 1 and keep my SD card.

What's the closest Padfone keyboard to UK out there?
[Android General] oroo708:
well they also said the cloud service in PF2 did support full windows microsoft office..

hopefully it will also support or ported to our device too...
[Android General] basketor:
there is a full usb port

1280x800 is bad for such a high end device.

I got this resolution on Nexus 7, but it's a 7" inch screen ...
[Android General] oroo708:
where is the full USB port??
[Android General] phemark:
Im really excited about PF2 but also a bit disappointed:

+

Fastest hardware

2in1

-

Tab screen - resolution and type

Other

storage - although no miniSD, 64GB would be enough for me (+ cloud)

battery - although non removable, screen has additional 5000mah, which is good too

keyboard - not really sure if i would use it that much, but it would've been nice to it anyway

If only it had same type IPS+ 1080p, i would be buying it the next day

Note 2 I like a lot, beautiful screen, good size, awesome stylus.

However its not as powerful as PF2 (although still plenty), and Im not a fan of touchwiz, and 5" isnt 10" :)

I think, in the end, PF2 will win for me - comparing just phones, PF2 is faster, but doesnt have interchangable batteries, however it has an addition dock. As im carrying a backpack to work, and use train/tube 5 days a week, i think i would appreciate 10" tab a bit more than 5.55" screen.

If only that tab was 1080p..................
[Android General] creed555:
Exactly. Quite disapointed. I was waiting with the purchase of PF1 becouse of the PF2..and now, I'm not sure I want the PF2 :rolleyes:
[Android General] HelsinkiSisu:
That's another thing. If 'cloud' means Asus Webstorage, don't get excited. I rashly upgraded my Webstorage to 500GB so that I could incorporate online backups from my home network. Then I discovered that upload speeds from Europe only achieved 120Kbps AT THE BEST! It would have taken nearly 3-4 weeks to backup 200GB. To put that in perspective, my upload speed with Crashplan is 20+ Mbps and backed-up the same in three days... I cancelled the service and got a refund (after waiting nearly 10 days to get a response from their 'priority support').

If you have ever had cuse to factory reset or change firmware, you will find that the lack of an external micro SD is a pain in the arse.
[Android General] basketor:
I bought a Nexus 7 for waiting until padfone 2 gets out, and I was planning to give it to my familly when getting the padfone 2, but I finally had an opportunity to have another Nexus 7 16G for 179€, and since I liked the 7", I kept mine and gave it to my familly.

I think that for train 10" is alright, but for tube 7" is better.

I am just disapointed by the 1280x800 because I have this on the 7", and on a 10" that would be a step back in quality.

We can hope that until it hit the market in europe, they will listen and put a fullhd screen
[Android General] VTEChump:
Can anyone comment on importing this to US, and what networks and speeds it will be compatible with?
[Android General] starrwulfe:
No keyboard and no external storage options = :(

I hope we get the new SuperNote with handwriting recognition, that new translation engine, and ASUS Cloud with MS Office RDP when we get our Jellybean upgrade though!

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Same as Padfone 1; you'll only get EDGE speeds I think. Better wait for an American Version...

They're making 3 versions.

Worldwide: Supports Europe/Africa/Asia.

Americas: Supports N/S America.

Far East: Supports Japan/Korea
[Android General] basketor:
the port is micro usb compatible
[Android General] VTEChump:
According to gsmarena below, I think you should get HSDPA speeds on ATT, correct? Not sure about other networks

3G Network	HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100

*	HSDPA 900 / 2100

4G Network	LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600
[Android General] HelsinkiSisu:
A Micro USB port is not very useful for attaching external USB devices, e.g. flash drives, mice, radio transmitters, etc. This is where the keyboard comes into its own...
[Android General] basketor:
that's what 2$ usb host cables are for
[Android General] creed555:
Some more movies that were shown at the presentation at 11 o'clock.

ASUS PadFone 2 Demo Video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjpACIJkpQo&feature=g-all-u

ASUS PadFone 2: Behind The Scenes

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjaZRKdyl4s&feature=g-all-u

ASUS PadFone 2. It's intuitive!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=04qO2XZ3UMc&feature=g-all-u

Ow and tha padfone station has a 13pin micro usb at the botom.

Bye
[Android General] Unknown_road:
"The Asus Padfone 2 will have a keyboard accessory too, which will likely become available at the same time as the phone. Asus representatives on the spot weren't sure if it will be compatible with the old docks."

gsmarena.com/asus_padfone_2_event-review-832p2.php
[Android General] Steven82:
THANK YOU!
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
I guarantee that it won't be compatible with the old docks, because there's their new proprietary micro-USB/HDMI port instead of the TF101/Padfone dock interface.

I've gone ahead and ordered an old Padfone dock from Amazon. No Padfone 2 for me. Maybe in 6-12 months with Padfone 3.
[Android General] starrwulfe:
I've been fooled into believing preliminary specs before... :rolleyes:

I'm not gonna believe this is a pentaband 3G phone until I see one actually using it with an AT&T or T-Mobile "H" symbol somewhere on youtube...
[Android General] jackennils:
gsmarena.com seems to be the only source confirming that there will be a keyboard. All other sites say no.

Really need a keyboard, otherwise it's useless...
[Android General] KingsnakeW:
I don't know what kind of Asus representative (cited by gsmarena) could have not known that there is no compatibility with existing docks due to the change of the connector.
[Android General] SparkyRih:
I don't understand the fact that Asus does not talk about a dock... and if they don't release one I don't understand that at all...

I put up this poll, I'm sure the last option will win for sure........

http://padfoneclub.com/comment.php?comment.poll.5
[Android General] jackennils:
Well if the people out there don't buy it, I'm sure that PadFone 3 will get a keyboard dock again...
[Android General] SparkyRih:
Detailed comparison of the first generation Asus Padfone and the Asus Padfone 2
[Android General] basketor:
i don't know why i couldn't vote, but i don't really care of the keyboard, although maybe i would have been tempted later

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if people don't buy it they will never do a padfone 3, but i guess that was the irony in your message :silly:
[Android General] creed555:
I think that if Asus is planing to release a dock, they would say something aboute it at the presentation. That's why I thing they are not planing to release the dock. But we could get a surprise in a couple of months.

What I really don't understand Asus, that they did not put any external connectors on the padfone nor on the padfone station. There is only a 13 pin connector on both of them. Strange. I think they will probabli release an adaptor for that 13 pin conector. Will see.

Bye
[Android General] nilkar08:
Nice..
[Android General] xdej:
gsmarena.com error about SIM format of padfone 2

gsmarena.com also states that "The Asus Padfone 2 uses microSIM". But the Padfone2 page of asus web site shows, in its button "Productivity" at bottom of tab "Overview", an image with a miniSIM card can be seen. It is not a microSIM (sorry, this is my first post here, so no URL allowed in this post for the image).

This is the second error of gsmarena, so I won't trust them about keyboard.
[Android General] xdej:
Found an external keyboard for padfone 2.

The padfone2 has quite the same measurments (263 x 180.8 x 10.4 mm) than Sony Tablet S. Hence I personnaly will order the padfone2, with its dock, and a keyboard-embeded case for sony tablet S. I have found this one (26cm x 18cm x 0.5cm).

I prefer four core and 2GB of Ram (padfone 2), instead of 32Gb of internal microSD storage and doubled battery capacity (padfone 1).
[Android General] xdej:
Asus's official page about padfone2 is specifying that:

2G: EDGE/GPRS/GSM: 850/900/1800/1900

3G: WCDMA : 900/2100

4G: LTE: 800/1800/2600
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
Does the back of the case cover the area where you insert the phone?
[Android General] xdej:
I think yes, and that this plastic would need to be cut.

I am still not allowed to give you the link (I have less than 10 posts), but the image name in google should lead you to the vendor (the fact that I cite products from many different vendors below show that I am not tied to any vendor).

Some alternatives are interesting see reviews here, made for Viewsonic Viewpad 10 with dimensions even closer to the padfone station, but they have no touchpad and I still use a lot the touchpad.

UPDATE: three comments here say that a touchpad is not necessary with a touch screen. I am still thinking about the necessity of a touchpad, because of the right click.

(the touchpad is closer to my digits on keyboard than the screen, has left mouse button, ...).

In the simili-leather case, I could add myself the touchpad, an USB hub, a card reader, ... but it wouldn't be nice.
[Android General] SparkyRih:
The Padfone does use a Micro-SIM... the Asus page is wrong...

The Asus page also states that the phone has a resistive touch screen, something I find hard to believe...
[Android General] xdej:
port adapter wanted to use keyboard dock of Padfone 1

Another possibility depending on a port adapter would be the keyboard dock of the Asus transformer, or Asus padfone 1, or HP ENVY x2 ... but it depends on the respective vendors. (I could try to make one for the ASUS port but I am not sure to succeed).
[Android General] xdej:
If Asus does not cooperate to make an adapter from their 13-pin to their 40-pin proprietary ports, I can still hope that a company like Logitech or Naztech would make a product for Padfone 2, like they did for iPhone 4S and iPad 2: a keyboard in metal case, holding the Padfone in a stand.

Link for iPhone: http://www.hdaccessory.com/servlet/the-9956/iphone-4s-naztech-sliding/Detail

Link for iPad: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005IPJWS8/

Anyway, I will first buy what is already available, then would buy such a metal case as soon as released.
[Android General] Someone09:
Well, still not the same.
[Android General] xdej:
Yes, I know: no USB, HDMI, VGA, SD ports; no battery; only one possible screen angle when open; ...

In the leather of the case, I could insert a USB hub, a SD card reader, microUSBMHL to HDMI and USBOTG converter, USB to RJ45 converter, a HDMI to VGA converter, a XP18000 battery that I already own, but the result would not be nice-looking (think of X-ray at airports).

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What Asus page did you lookup ?

This official Asus page states that both touch screens are capacitive:
[Android General] oroo708:
it was on the same page u gave before they got it fixed..

fyi they say asus are developing the keyboard dock but it is still are a rumor.. just wait for it..
[Android General] zerghase:
Does this flashing look like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_0rtFcu-oo

I'm thinking about returning the station to get a working one but I'd like to keep the phone. Can anybody tell me if this problem is station-related or is it possible that it's an error of my phone? (Only way to find out is to test the phone in another station, but I dont have one).

Or is there maybe another way to fix this?

Btw. the antenna contacts in the station were WAY to short, so they didn't reach the phone. This meant I didn't get any reception when the phone was docked. Bending them a little with my thumbnail so they stand out a little more helped very much, this issue is fixed now.

My first dock had a loose battery inside, so you could hear it bumping around when moving the dock. I already got a new one where this didn't happen. I expected a better build quality/QA by ASUS, very disappointing. Hopefully i get better parts soon.

/edit: Can you all please make a new thread for the Padfone 2 speculations/discussions? It's already messy enough not to have a forum for the padfone but a single thread, but one thread for two devices is too much!
[Android General] Justin^Tan:
Bending it like how? can you teach me? I'm having a bad to almost no reception also

any video for this tutorial please? :)

lots of us having this problem, maybe it could help us all

thanks before
[Android General] Kermode:
Yes it looks like that, it looks like bad overscan adjust me or something - I'm fairly certain it didn't happen before the patch - Asus misaligned something in software i think.

If you DO get a new screen at it goes away, let us know won't you :)

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There are still bugs in the padfone1 , and their weather widget can't spell the locations correct (how long is it going to take them to fix that?) - not going with new asus until they fix the old stuff first.
[Android General] Nixus_Maximus:
I think this flashing is a hardware problem.I had that too. After sending back and receiving a new device, this is gone.

Gesendet von meinem PadFone mit Tapatalk 2
[Android General] zerghase:
@Kermode about which update are we talking? I can confirm this issue with the firmware versions WW 9.18.8.41 and WW 9.20.4.22, so I really think it's hardware related. Maybe you just didn't catch it on the previous version.

I've also made some photos how you can improve the reception, if your padfone station's antenna doesn't connect to the phone. Only do this if you know what you're doing and be aware that I don't pay for your repair if you break things.
[Android General] Justin^Tan:
I tried and it doesnt really helped though, hehe, the closed lid still gives worst connection.

Mine can actually connect when I'm in town, although the connection is still worst than the phone itself. but thanks anyway :)
[Android General] andshm:
i always keep my lid open for better data reception. anyone know how to take off the lid? since padfone 2 not having i think we shud take it off too.
[Android General] Someone09:
Padfone 2 probably won´t have a dock. Does this mean you want to throw away yours, too? ;)
[Android General] andshm:
i'm thinking of taking the cover off as it give good reception when lid is opened. i need info on how to take lid off. thanks
[Android General] Someone09:
Before you do that you should check if the Phone is locked in tight enough without the cover. You surely don´t want it to fall out.
[Android General] Mav3ric144:
Hey, I just got my Padfone Station out of repair yesterday (after almost 8 weeks -.-) and now I have a strange issue with the keydock.

When the display is off and I close the padfone, the display wakes again, when it is fully closed. And when it is off and closed, the display is not turning on when I open it. Did anyone else have this? Any ideas what I can do about it? I mean it should be a software issue, right?
[Android General] Xyphoid:
A little late, because I thought my footage was unusable due to bad lighting. But when I watched it on the PC it looked reasonably ok.

So here is my very first unboxing video of the Asus Padfone, Padfone Station and Padfone Station Dock.
[Android General] MrPhilo:
I hope people buy the Asus Padfone 2, as I have already pre-ordered it from Taiwan and should be arriving in the next 3-4 weeks plus a separate forum could be created for it as well!
[Android General] SparkyRih:
http://www.padfoneclub.com/pl/forum/forum.php

help, accessories and stories forum for Padfoen 2 will be added as soon as it's released...
[Android General] phoxy84:
Where did you pre-order?
[Android General] SparkyRih:
No keyboard dock possible for the Asus Padfone 2
[Android General] Mr.Clark:
/facepalm

Thanks ASUS... I suppose it'll appeal to those who don't want the dock, but why cut out the segment of the market that do?

Hints for Padfone 3: 4G, NFC, keyboard dock, micro-SD on handset.

EDIT: Also, hold off on 4.1 for the Padfone and go straight to 4.2 ;)

Lastly: Does anyone know how to remove black marks on the back of the Padfone station caused by the case I've been keeping it in? I've tried a damp cloth, but if there's anything quicker (that won't melt the whole thing!), that would be grand.
[Android General] creed555:
Asus you are :silly: Total fail.

Bye
[Android General] SparkyRih:
4G and NFC are already in the PF2
[Android General] Justin^Tan:
So there are others who share the same fate hoho. I tried alcohol before but I can;t manage to remove the marks

If you find out how, lemme know ok :)
[Android General] schtiven:
I really like the concept. If I havent bought my SG2 and Transformer prime tablet already I probably would have purchased it if it came to canada. Too bad it probably wont even make it :( Im hoping the future generations of the padfone will come here so I can buy it.
[Android General] scottmog:
driving to pick up the padfone + station + dock for 500 good deal huh? Been subscribing to this thread for weeks now.