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[Xoom General] pecosROB:
Just replying to the post to stay updated with the progress. USB host mode definitely helps eliminate the PC, but live preview would be pretty sweet.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
I already have live view and such working atm. Check my twitter. Would post more details but right now I'm traveling.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
Why would you even want to view RAW files on a tablet device? Unprocessed RAW photos aren't for viewing or even showing around.. :P
[Xoom General] jondwillis:
It is still nice to see what you have to work with. Some RAW images aren't going to come out right even with heavy editing. Why would the cameras even give you a preview? There's obviously some merit in being able to see what you've just shot, and even moreso when its on a better/bigger screen.
[Xoom General] jondwillis:
I'm working on an app that will act as a USB host to PTP devices (DSLRs, etc) much like the built in Honeycomb gallery, except that it will also support RAW files natively.

The idea is to be able to import/backup your images, preview them, metatag them, and possibly geotag them while in the field. Maybe a lightweight editor in the future.

Anyway, it is opensource so if anyone is interested in helping, please contact me!
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
Just saw the proof of concept video - super awesome!

Please keep us posted, would love to use your app when you share it.
[Xoom General] clamknuckle:
This. I have a Nikon d3100 and while it takes great pictures, the screen on the back isn't all that great. I usually have to wait until I get them on the laptop to see if they really turned out. Being able to see them on my xoom would make me extremely happy.
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
I cannot even tell you how incredibly awesome this. I will be happy to test on a Xoom for you.
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Google Plus

Anyone interested in a Google+ circle for Android/DSLR specific apps? If so, let me know. I am JennGrover@ (that 5 letter domain) .com
[Xoom General] edengberg:
I'm not a Canikon fanboy...

How about an app for Olympus 4/3 DSLRs? Specifically E-3 which was the first with live view in a DSLR.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Well, I only have a Canon 550D, a Canon 50D, and a Canon 7D to play with, that's why Canon comes first and what I'm developing against. I can borrow a Nikon probably, so that'd be next. Everything else is future talk.

It has very little to do with fanboyism, just with the equipment I have available. This sort of stuff is nigh impossible to make without equipment to test with.
[Xoom General] jondwillis:
Any chance of seeing source code?
[Xoom General] edengberg:
Sorry Chainfire. That was unfair to you. Unfortunately, there is a strong feeling among Canon and Nikon users that unless you have one of their cameras you are not a serious photographer.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Baha no worries, I don't consider myself a serious photographer anyways ;)
[Xoom General] T0LLPHR33:
I am running a 1D mk4 & 5D mk2. If you need a tester let me know. This is a must for work and play,
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
ditto...I am using a 5D Mark II.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
I'll ask when I need. 1D and 5D are going to be interesting as from what I've read there are some incompatibilities, so probably will be a bit of trial and error involved :)
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Oh, bummer. Hope it will work!
[Xoom General] clamknuckle:
I think that's how it comes across, but in the end, it's just how much stuff you have. I chose Nikon because it was at the time, the best price for what I wanted. I'll probably always be with Nikon because I've already spent more on lenses than I have the body. That's a lot of money to spend all over again to switch to Canon or Sony or whatever.

Honestly, unless you're rocking a full frame, you're not a professional anyway. You might claim to be, and you might even get paid for your pictures, but you're really just an amatuer that gets paid. Stay away from the douchebags on Flickr. I post most of my pictures on Flickr, but I don't really care what anyone says, it's just an easy way to link them to people.

Seriously the equipment in the end means nothing. Ansel Adams has taken some of the most spectacular pictures of all time, and look what he did it with.

Worry about the framing and composition of your picture, not what you're taking it with. I've taken great pictures with a 10 dollar disposable and some absolutely terrible ones with my DSLR. The camera is a tool, and it's the person behind it that makes the great pictures, not the camera itself.

/offtopic
[Xoom General] T0LLPHR33:
what are some of the incompatibilities you are referring to with both the 1D and 5D?
[Xoom General] T0LLPHR33:
Like you I always loved Nikon's...that's what my dad always used...but when it came down to best bang for the buck I bought the 5D MK2...a few months later picked up the 1D MK4 off a friend of mines. I would love to pick up a Nikon D3X but right now I have too much invested into my Canon lenses...

I agree with you that the camera doesn't make the picture...it helps but it comes down to the eye of the person and their creativity with the shot that makes the pictures awesome...it takes tons of practice as well...but as you get better it doesn't mean investing in better more expensive bodies and lenses won't help...1 suggestion I have whether your an amateur or professional is rent lenses and bodies before purchasing them. LENSRENTALS is a awesome source that I use. Especially when I want to try a new lens before purchasing it.
[Xoom General] edengberg:
Hi Clamknuckle. I have been taking photos and started developing and enlarging them them myself starting when I was in the 7th grade. That was in the 50's. So you can see I have been seriously taking pictures for many years. I have never considered myself a "professional photographer" even though I have had my photos exhibited. I have always felt that good photographs were made by the photographer, not the camera. Eisenstaedt was once given an assignment by Look magazine to go out and take photographs using a Kodak Brownie camera. The result was the same level of excellence he was always known for. If you do not know who he was, I recommend you look him and some of his more famous photographs up on the web.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
They may need a more precise setup sequence... Can I ask for the age of these specific models you both have - when the models were released, not when you bought them.

Don't get me wrong, they should just work, but it may take some fiddling, as the devices I have (from what I read on canon dev sites and such) seem to be a tad bit more forgiving regarding communication issues - read: what works on the 550D/50D/7D I have available could still produce errors on the 1D and 5D. Then again, maybe it'll just work no questions asked, we won't know until we try. I'm pretty sure they can be made to work in any case, though.
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
I bought my 5d ii 2 years ago online from Best Buy. Believe it or not, it on sale for $200 off!
[Xoom General] T0LLPHR33:
I can let you know when the current models that I have were released when I get home from work today...
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Those wanting to test, please PM me your email addresses, hopefully I'll be able to send you something later this week :)
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
Done, can't wait to see it now :)
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Have enough peoples now, no more please :)

EDIT: With the exception of T0LLPHR33, who is still welcome to apply :)
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Those who have sent me their emails will likely receive the first test version within 36 hours :)
[Xoom General] tritran18518:
if you update your app to work with Nikon, I would like to be your tester.:D
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
sweeeet! can't wait.
[Xoom General] T0LLPHR33:
sorry I didn't see this earlier...was busy all weekend and didn't get online at all...pm sent...:D
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
No worries... almost time to send that work-in-progress around :)
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Christmas in July. ;)
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
LOL, let's see if it works at all on your XOOM :)

Emails sent to those I have selected :)
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
It's working - full screen!!! YOU ROCK!!!
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
This with the 50D mkII ? Can you make a screenshot ? I'm curious how it turned out.
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Yes, 5D II. I have not rooted the xoom yet but will snap one with my cell phone.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Great! Is the FPS acceptable? The XOOM's Tegra2 chip is not as fast as my SGS2's, and it has more pixels to push as well.
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
It's not bad. I wouldn't use it for sports, but for ordinary landscape it will work just fine. Now if you could just get a bull moose to walk into my shot when I am in Rockies this fall, it would be pure magic. :)

It crashed on me once, but it was after I had turned off the camera. It is very sweet. Nice work. I am thrilled, seriously.

FYI: I tried to install on my Tbolt and no-go. I can try it this weekend on an OG Droid (rooted, running Gingerbread.)
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
I doubt those devices support USB host. Officially it's only support on Honeycomb, but for some reason my Galaxy S2 also has it... Samsung did some backporting there :)

Note that if you turn off the camera, the app exits - this is normal behavior. Or did you get a popup message about a crash ?
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Well, it stayed running,, so when I turned it back on the live view worked but not autofocus or the other other manual settings.. I had to force stop it and restart. I also noticed that if you start the app in manual focus it does not detect a switch to auto. This might be unavoidable.
[Xoom General] clamknuckle:
I'd like to put my name in the ring for any Nikon testing when it's ready.
[Xoom General] T0LLPHR33:
still at work and got about 3 1/2 hours left till I'm done...but as soon as I get home my 5D MK2 batteries should be charged (forgot to charge the 1D MK4) I will test the 5D mk2 1st and then the 1D mk4 that way if I find some features not working I can get those back to you ASAP.

can't wait to play with this program on the XOOM when i get home...its like christmas coming early this year...:D
[Xoom General] arimus:
Same here, Got a Nikon D7000, would like to test this.

thanks
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
You are my hero, no jokes here! This not only works, it works phenomenally well! I used it for about 10 minutes before my camera battery died.

I am using Canon 5D MK-II with Motorola Xoom and everything worked as you described in your email. I did not have any issues but I did not get to test the on-screen controls for the Aperture, Shutter, etc. yet.

Here is a summary of my experience:

- The pop-up for DSLR Master came up immediately

- First Live Preview took about 10 seconds to show on the Xoom

- Focus works beautifully, I was able to use the joystick on the camera to change the focal point and clicking the screen focused on the newly selected area (not sure if you know this already but this is awesome!)

- My live preview performance/refresh rate was approximately the same as your proof of concept video ~ 10 FPS sounds right

- Firing the camera works as described

- Live preview on the camera does not come on by default - I had to manually trigger it on the camera and the controls did work once camera had the live preview on

- It's been about 15 minutes since my battery died but the DSLR Master app is still running on the XOOM - when selected, it comes up with a full black screen right now with no menu controls

I am going to test this more when my batteries are charged. Will attach photos/screencaps/videos of this soon. I know basic android programming and can also send over logcats and such if you need it but so far, I haven't run into any issues.

Thank you for this! I am going to send over a donation to show you my appreciation for your work.

Pali
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Nice. Going to reply in-line:

- The pop-up for DSLR Master came up immediately

Yay!

- First Live Preview took about 10 seconds to show on the Xoom

Some stuff is reportedly slow on the Xoom/5D-II, not sure yet if it's the Xoom or the 5D. This kind-of stuff is near-instant on my SGS2/550D combo. But others with Xoom/5D-II reported exact same thing. Needs investigation - likely you will also run into this with setting on-screen controls. My own tab (still missing host connector) has the same chipset and clockspeed as the Xoom, so I hope to be able to play with that soon. No 5D-II I can loan from friends though.

- Focus works beautifully, I was able to use the joystick on the camera to change the focal point and clicking the screen focused on the newly selected area (not sure if you know this already but this is awesome!)

I'm glad you noticed... This specific feature was one of the most time-consuming to fix, took many hours to get what you're saying specifically to work. Next up is tap-and-hold on the liveview image to select that area and focus on it, and detecting and displaying the "face area" if in face mode and focal points in live mode.

- My live preview performance/refresh rate was approximately the same as your proof of concept video ~ 10 FPS sounds right

Yay!

- Firing the camera works as described

You'll run into issues with that later... The various different capture modes and such will result in hangs and freezes, still working on that.

- Live preview on the camera does not come on by default - I had to manually trigger it on the camera and the controls did work once camera had the live preview on

Known, it depends on the camera model if the liveview comes on and the buttons are available immediately or if you have to push the liveview button on the cam.

- It's been about 15 minutes since my battery died but the DSLR Master app is still running on the XOOM - when selected, it comes up with a full black screen right now with no menu controls

Communication problem that didn't get automatically sorted out. Work in progress. Reboot the tablet!

I am going to test this more when my batteries are charged. Will attach photos/screencaps/videos of this soon. I know basic android programming and can also send over logcats and such if you need it but so far, I haven't run into any issues.

Cool. The app outputs a LOT of logging, and next version will have even more to track some issues I'm seeing / getting reported.

Thank you for this! I am going to send over a donation to show you my appreciation for your work.

Don't. If you like it, purchase it from Market once it's out :)

In the meantime, I've implemented a lot of additional settings and displays... Busy busy!
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
Consider it done!

I did some more testing and ran into one or two force closes with the app stuck in the notification window. Instead of rebooting, I simply stopped the app using the built-in app manager. The setting adjustments worked beautifully - I've tried to show you my test in the video posted below.

Now some eye candy for everyone.

SETUP

SCREENSHOTS OF THE APP

PICS FROM THE DSLR USING THE APP

Youtube Video
[Xoom General] tritran18518:
I notice that live-view mode is laggy when you move the camera around .
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Thanks Apachi, very informative!

The liveview is definitely quite a bit slower than it is on my SGS2, I'll try to do some optimizing (if at all possible). Do you know which version of Honeycomb you are running ? 3.01, 3.1, 3.2 ?
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
Great. I am on 3.2
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Teaser :)

As you can see, some stuff has been added :)
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Sweet! Is using this for video (for cameras that support) a possibility or is that impossible?
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Should be possible, but I will not focus on this for a little while. First things first :)
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Cool. I rarely use video, so, not a big deal to me, but a lot of film makers use the 5d II these days and I am sure that could be a nice little revenue boost for you.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Well one of things with video is that the video mode works completely different on different cams. Just between the 550d and the 7d I have on my desk here, it works completely different... So this is going to take a while to figure out. First I have an interface to fix up a bit and problems to track, once that is all stable, I'll continue on with video.
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
Looking nice! Let me know if you need any help with icons or UI graphics. I am pretty good with Photoshop.
[Xoom General] tonyb15re:
Id be happy to help with Nikon D40x and Olympus EPL-2 testing if you need it :D
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
New version (0.2) sent out :) Let me know if you didn't get it but did get the first version.
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
Thank you! Amazing how many new features you were able to pack in the new version.

This version seems more stable

- Live view performance is the same

- New features all work

- If I switch the focus mode to Quick and then focus by clicking on the screen, I can no longer change any settings. For example, if I have focused once in the Quick mode, I can no longer change Apperture, White Balance, etc. When this happens, I have to turn off the camera and start over again and change the focus mode to Live or :) For me, this is only happening with Quick focus mode

- Love the 1x, 5x, 10x Zoom and I am hoping that we'll be able to drag the screen in the final version

- Live preview on Xoom shows the focus point but I can't change it using the Xoom. Analog stick on the camera still works to change the focal point.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Thanks :)

In-line response:

This version seems more stable

As expected. Still not fully stable though :) Upcoming file (later today) I will send has the same stability.

- Live view performance is the same

Expected as much. However, the upcoming file may be quicker in everything else :)

- New features all work

Awesome

- If I switch the focus mode to Quick and then focus by clicking on the screen, I can no longer change any settings. For example, if I have focused once in the Quick mode, I can no longer change Apperture, White Balance, etc. When this happens, I have to turn off the camera and start over again and change the focus mode to Live or :) For me, this is only happening with Quick focus mode

Quick focus mode is being annoying here too. Haven't fully figured it yet. Does the "focusing" message stay on screen? If so, tap it to cancel the focus.

- Love the 1x, 5x, 10x Zoom and I am hoping that we'll be able to drag the screen in the final version

Not sure how exactly I'm going to implement this, still thinking about it :) It will be possible to change the position for sure, though.

- Live preview on Xoom shows the focus point but I can't change it using the Xoom. Analog stick on the camera still works to change the focal point.

Right, that is not implemented yet. This is actually a combination with the previous point, as the camera does not make a distinction between focus and zoom area - it's the same area.

Upcoming version should bring a lot less memory use ( == better loading speed ?), face recognition in live face mode, bracket mode (display only so far), lots of icons and UI chances - though still phone-optimized and icons are not the perfect sizes yet, etc :) Please somebody post a screenshot of how the UI turns out on tablet. (My host adapter still hasn't arrived)

After I send it I will be done for the weekend.

EDIT: v0.3 sent out :)
[Xoom General] _Belial:
definitely keeping an eye on this thread, as a nikon user I'd love to link it up to my xoom or sgs2.
[Xoom General] KGMe:
Another Nikon D40X user here subscribing to thread.
[Xoom General] Apachi2k:
Thank you again! Really loving the new features and the UI is coming together very nicely. I haven't been able to test this version thoroughly but one thing that really jumps out is that Live Preview seems to have really slowed down in this version. I did not get a chance to test it on a clean boot so I am not sure if it is the new version or just something that is hung up on Xoom and needs a restart to clean things up. I will be on vacation through next weekend and I won't be able to do much testing until I get back. I am sure this application will be taking over the world with its new features by the time I get back :)

Very impressed with your work Chainfire! Thank you for sharing this with us - hope to help you test this further when I get back.
[Xoom General] Vanhoud:
Does anyone know how to get my xoom (3. 2) to even recognize my rebel xti? I have the proper otg cable. Nothing happens when it's hooked up... No gallery pics and no addition devices when using the dev/block command. The If I can get this working it would be great :). I'm not sure I'll be able to convince the misses to get an upgraded camera that works with the xoom lol
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Pretty sure I found and fixed the slowdown issue... next update should be as fast as before (slowdown is not apparent with SGS2, so I'm guessing, but I tend to be pretty good at guessing ;))
[Xoom General] phil_cloarec:
I would love to know this too. My 400D does the same.
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Used the new app (v.3) in the field last night. I did notice the slowdown, but it was still usable.

Also, when shooting in manual mode I still cannot adjust the shutter speed. Is this a known limitation?
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
Slowdown should be gone next update.

Re: shutter speed, I am able to adjust the shutter speed just fine in manual mode. Does the shutter speed not become a button, or does it become a button but changing the value does not work ?
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
It is a button, but cannot select (different shade of grey).
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
You mean it looks like this image you posted earlier: http://lockerz.com/s/125540341

but if you press the button nothing happens ? or does the selection box come up and selecting a value does not stick ?
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Yes! Press the button and nothing happens. I have to be in another mode (like shutter priority for it to work.)
[Xoom General] Gobosin:
Can't get it to work with my t1i. Using Tiamat and Launchpad.
[Xoom General] nex7er:
Greetings from Norway.

How much do I need to donate to get a try of this app? Im using an Asus Transformer w/ dock so I have the usb to do this. I also have a 5d mk ii and 7d.
[Xoom General] jrhessey:
Does this piece of software only show the pictures taken with the droid device or does it show the pictures that were taken from the camera on the droid device as well?
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
I hope to have the beta on Market tomorrow :)

A few things that really need to be fixed first.
[Xoom General] Audionut11:
I hope you will link it here. Really keen to try this out.
[Xoom General] Chainfire:
A new private beta (v0.4) has been sent out, and should be in your inboxes right now.
[Xoom General] nex7er:
My query still stands - how much to get into said beta? I'm real eager to test this out on my TF101 (Might be because I haven't slept, but patience is nonexistant here haha)
[Xoom General] Lakota:
See post #101 at the top of the page. Chainfire hopes to release a beta onto the market tomorrow. I can't wait either! My 600D is really looking forward to this. :-)
[Xoom General] TheZuneLune:
Issues & questions

I seem to have pretty regular communications errors. They seem random, too For example when the app first opens i can adjust the shutter speed and everything else that is currently enabled. In the same shoot, i can no longer adjust the shutter speed but I can adjust the aperture. Again in the same shoot I can no longer adjust anything. i don't know why this happens.

also, I cannot get it to focus, still. I have going into my camera settings and changed the liveview settings. Are there settings I need to adjust on liveview or in the focus menu? I am using a 5D II with a Xoom.
[Xoom General] moobies:
Definitely interested in testing for Nikon. I have a D90.