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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FinalJenemba:
Well its a GSM/HSPA+ device, so, no...
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidfeen809:
Damn!, thnx tho, I guess ill have to stick to 3G while over there, 3G over there is freaking 1-2mbps

T-Mobile G2 1.42 GHZ
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lalahai:
use Maxis, its the only telco with HSPA+ in Malaysia. 4G speed.
[Vibrant General] Longcat14:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/

Looks like the Sensation won't have a locked bootloader.

Now the GS2 is going to actually have a competitor. :)
[Vibrant General] :
The sensation is nice but for me the CPU and GPU just don't cut it. SGS2 is the only upgrade option for me =]
[Vibrant General] Longcat14:
I've seen reports of the CPU/GPU combo in the Sensation being faster then the Exynos. I can't wait to see the 2 phones head to head. :)
[Vibrant General] ZachLL88:
Meh. I still think the sgs2 will do better
[Vibrant General] :
The mali400-MP has far more power than adreno220...adreno220 is no weakling though, its very impressive. I'd put the adreno220 in league with sgx540, but its no multicore GPU. As for CPU its good, but is still cortex-a8 with some a9 features bolted on, it doesn't have the improved neon, etc. That comes with a9. It won't be a bad phone, just not good enough for me =]
[Vibrant General] minoschan:
i'm pretty annoyed by the 3br problem:mad:
[Vibrant General] VICosPhi:
Sensation will have a locked bootloader. We are at HTC's mercy whether they will issue an update in timely manner to unlock it.
[Vibrant General] Longcat14:
You must be confusing Samsung with HTC.
[Vibrant General] VICosPhi:
Samsung never locked bootloaders so there is no need of confusion.

HTC announced moving forward they will have unlocked bootloaders.

Sensation is set to release on June 7th and by now is already being delivered to retailers. It's not enough time to pull the stock, unlock bootloaders and send it to the stores.

So, we are at HTC's mercy whether they will roll out an update to unlock the locked sensation bootloader.
[Vibrant General] j56bp:
good luck with that on t-mobile.....lol edge only:eek:
[Vibrant General] Longcat14:
I meant with the update thing. HTC releases updates. Samsung...... well yeah.
[Vibrant General] Oniyuri:
TBH, I think the only phone currently that can actually compete with the SGS II is the Samsung Hercules. I know it sounds redundant but HTC got itself disqualified when it decided to release a phone with only 768mb of RAM and 1gb onboard storage (yeah, I completely got spoiled by my Vibrant).
[Vibrant General] :
not the international one =P I'm hoping TMO gets it...if not I'm gonna be vary sore with them
[Vibrant General] ktrotter11:
Lol
[Vibrant General] viralbug:
IMO Samsung SGSII is still a better buy than the HTC Sensation.
[Vibrant General] lorddart:
Maybe I'm wrong but besides nexus phones wasn't samsung first to release a gingerbread phone which (redundant as they may be) haven't they also sent out several updates for it? And is there any htc phone running gingerbread? Any yeah samsung screwed up but there were several other companies and even htc dragged their feet and few months between saying the incredible would receive froyo and when it actually did. Also in regards to samsung they have also updated the original sgs international with gingerbread too. Just my 2 cents
[Vibrant General] Longcat14:
Well, with HTC, I'm sure your phone will get a GB update if the hardware supports it.

But, as bad as they are, Motorola updates all of their new phones. Even the DroidX is getting GB. If only they had unlocked bootloaders, I would buy their phones.

Sent from my SGH-T959
[Vibrant General] Segnaro:
Cool. But I can't go back to a non-Super AMOLED display. :cool:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/

Engadget seems to agree with me about the display.

Plus the specs in GSII are still sexier.
[Vibrant General] Sdobron:
Do you really want to wait another year or more for AOSP though? I'm sure the SGS2 will be riddled with more of Samsung's awful coding...
[Vibrant General] lorddart:
Super amoled plus and 16g internal or 1g internal and lcd not even to mention hardware differences im pretty sure it's sgsii ftw
[Vibrant General] hitman818:
But with all the plastic and samsung coding!!! The gs2 does have great hardware though.
[Vibrant General] djluis48:
Meh, still the SG2 will pwn most of the new generation devices. Its just too dam good. :p
[Vibrant General] }{Alienz}{:
Screens anyone? Super Amoled PLUS vs an LCD. End of question right there.

Not to mention the SGS2 has 16GB or 32GB internal memory...
[Vibrant General] Dougefresh91:
I'd rather have a phone that can have AOSP than the fancy screen. I was planning on getting the Sensation, but I will not until the bootloader is cracked or unlocked.
[Vibrant General] ZeroIsntTheHero:
You should hope that it gets unlocked then because it seems that the process of cracking the bootloaders is tedious work.
[Vibrant General] Longcat14:
Same.

If the Sensation's bootloader gets unlocked (if the policy is retroactive), then I'll get that instead.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
it's going to take more than the sensation can offer to sway me from an sgs2.

i'm very happy with my vibrant, especially since cm7. so i may even ride this phone out longer than i expected (it's already almost been a year!!!)..
[Vibrant General] DR-EVIL23:
ok yeah thanks :)
[Vibrant General] :
For me I want a dual core cortex a9, not a dual core cortex a8. Sure, the sensation has out of order execution and a few other features that any other CPU of a9 class has, but its still cortex a8 and it doesn't have the processing improvements the a9 brings, also a9 is alot better with floating point math and from what I remember has better cache coherency, which lends itself to better SMP.
[Vibrant General] ld006:
amen to that!! If samsung has any real competition, it would be LG, not HTC.
[Vibrant General] lol Qaeda:
Uh, seriously? I've never had anything but a Sammy smartphone but I don't remember reading about anything LG made that was better than HTC's best.

Also, just read the Sensation review a little bit ago... competition my ass. This thread ought to be deleted or at least edited and updated in light of the new info on the Sensation - Samsung doesn't have a competitor in terms of component or performance quality just yet but there are some decent alternatives.

What he said. :)
[Vibrant General] ZeroIsntTheHero:
I hope other manufacturers will begin following suit as well. Allowing for users to develop and enhance their phone experience greatly widens their customer base. This is why more people are using Samsung and HTC phones than those made by Motorola and such. The fact that they give their customers freedom with their phones is a great thing whereas Motorola clearly hasn't caught on. Encryption locked bootloaders... What the hell are they thinking?
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
cortex a8 only supports a single core. all the dual cores are a9.
[Vibrant General] :
Qualcomm hasn't made an a9 core, the dual core snapdragons are a8 based. I haven't heard anything about qualcomm licensing a9 tech for use in current Gen products. They license a8 tech and made it dual core. Qualcomm also added out of order execution and a few other features to the a8 tech they licensed. They don't use 100% standard arm implementations, they are heavily modded, hence snapdagons all being a8 "based".

One of the big improvements to a9 is the neon unit being able to do a double precision float op per cycle instead of a8s every two cycles
[Vibrant General] :
Oops...double post...sorry
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
if that were the case then it's not an a8. especially since, according to arm, the a8 cannot support multiple cores. making an a8 to support multiple cores is more work and money than it would be worth (compared to licensing the a9), and qualcomm knows that.

however, qualcomm has licensed and made a9 socs, that's what most of the the scorpion line of the snapdragon is, e.g. the QSD8672, MSM8260 (what's in the sensation), MSM8660, and APQ8060 (rumored to be in the hercules). basically the whole MSM8X60 line is a9.

more info:

http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief

http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a8.php

http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a9.php
[Vibrant General] :
Proven wrong! Love when that happens =]

Last I was reading about the qualcomm DCs these sheets hadnt been out yet. When I read before the info pointed to them being a8 based....well why then are these not showing a9 performance from what I've seen? So we have some better #s from the new cores yet?I love qualcomm CPUs but I also want the float performance I see on the exynos. If they improve or match the float and beat the exynos integer performance then ill b happy =P
[Vibrant General] :
Looked it up and CPU performance is about 1/2 exynos with GPU =
[Vibrant General] :
but why so low? =\ I expected WAY better from a DC qualcomm.....HUGE GPU improvement though

But CPU performance is not in line with any other a9 cores. So if they used A9 as the datasheet suggests, why is it only showing performance = to what a DC A8 would have?
[Vibrant General] :
Digging deeper, the snapdragons are listed as being an implementation of the cortex a8, not a9. Now from wat I see qualcomm just uses the instructions and not the design, so technically they could make a DC implementation of the a8 since there CPU just uses the instructions and is of their own design
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
there is a lot of conflicting information out there on this. but everything i've seen that's actually from qualcomm (like that MSM8X60 data sheet) tells me they are using a9, modified obviously (the asynchronous aspect is very interesting, and may be where the performance difference is? as well as the gpu). and since arm's definition of the a8 includes single core only, then you can't really call any multi core soc a8 based.

as for the instructions, they all use the same: armv7 isa. the cortex is an implementation of the isa.

but if you have more info, please post some links so i can check it out.
[Vibrant General] :
I know from reading on their chips that they are different from the other companies building stock cortex chips. The snapdragon DC for one are asymmetrical mp chips, and statandard A9 is symmetric. Also it would seem that the standard arm A9 has better FP performance, and the qualcomm is still 2x the A8 FP performance but other A9 are seeing FP performance as high as 3-4x A8. The integer performance though on qualcomm is in line with A9 give or take depending on the amount of cache. Could the assymetric mp be causing the low benchmarks? This would mean that the processor is only clocking up one core in benchmarks and not both like I assume exynos does?

Also I just reread the product brief and it just compares it to standard A9 cores, and in the snapdragon report it implies that their cores Arent A8 or A9 and of their own design (kinda like their GPU is based on AMD IP they bought, but is not the same and is more powerful) ...and it says that it is a revamp of the snapdragon design to add MP support and modified circuit design. They are still derived from the first gen snapdragons from what I can tell, also A9 has a shorter pipeline then snapdragon. But the documents claim that their FPU can do twice as many FP ops per cycle then A8 or A9....but we arent seeing that....

so this means they just use the instructions, not the design.....in the area of power consumption and ability to overclock the Snapdragon seems to be superior to Standard A9/A8

But A9 seems to have better branch prediction and cache coherency....the branch prediction on A9 is simpler and uses less clock cycles....also seems the have a IPC advantage, which may lend to the better FP scores and the slightly better integer scores

Honestly I would go with the stock A9, as I think that cache coherency and simpler branch prediction are a better benefit. and In real world use I haven't seen a large difference in Power usage vs Standard A8/A9. You can achieve higher clocks, but A9 seems to be able to match it still due to the extra .5 dmips/mhz over A8.

Also looks like Exynos has a 1 cycle shorter pipeline than standard A9, with a 8 vs 9 stage pipeline.

http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/files/rapport-linley-sur-snapdragon-biprocesseur--.pdf

http://www.qualcomm.com/documents?search=snapdragon

http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/snapdragon-msm8x55-apq8055-product-brief

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....T-i9100 Galaxy S2&D4=Samsung SGH-T959 Vibrant

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a10009&c=samsung_s5pv310_exynos_4210
[Vibrant General] ld006:
Have u played with the g2x and the lg thrill?? they are great phones....and no..i didnt see any of the problems ppl with the g2x have reported...lg just needs to improve their software...remember samsung's software was a lot worse than it is now when it started doing real smartphones...
[Vibrant General] rizoh66:
Samsung wants to be Apple so bad, and LG wants to be Samsung even worse. With the release of so many high-end Android devices being put out in the past 2 years (starting with the HTC Nexus One), I believe it is starting to come down to company credibility, in which HTC wins by a longshot. Sensation FTW.
[Vibrant General] iynfynity:
I. Just watched the htc sensation review. I'm stunned.
[Verizon Droid Charge] mypantsaretorn:
I tried to upload a video I took with the phone to youtube today and surprisingly you can only upload to youtube with wifi.. Any way around this?
[Verizon Droid Charge] yyhd:
wow, didnt even know. havent tried yet.
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] arcanexvi:
Stumbled across a working gingerbread compatible VVM version for VZW for those of us that are paying for it and thought I would share. Doesn't require any edits/hacks whatnot and does not require flash via CWR like some of the other versions that were floating around (that don't work, believe me I've tried. :P).

Edit: I've only tested this on BAMF 2.0.5 but I assume it would work for all GB ROMs.

Edit2: This is the actual VZW version, not the one floating around in the other threads.
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] t.k.h.:
works on CM7 as well!
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] mallen462:
Has anyone tried this?
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] AndroidGraphix:
Why did this application get so many bad reviews?
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] rollerchaos:
vvm

thank you for the app it works great.
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] FcoT:
./shrug

maybe becasue you can use google application for the same thing for free?
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] Archangel:
thanks works perfect!
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] DROIDNP:
Thank you works great
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] je2345:
Doesn't work on th3ory gb Rom. States phone has feature built in and makes me uninstall
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] azturbomini:
I tried installing this but I get an error saying I need to call verizon customer service. I have not signed up for service but will. Am I doing something wrong in order to get this to work?

I've also tried google voice and can not get it to notify me when I have a voicemail. I'm using bamf sense 3.0 preview 4. Any help is greatly appreciated...
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] gohamstergo:
AHHHH people wanting to give verizon money for vvm makes me wanna puke. seriously, for the sake of your wallets people, get GOOGLE VOICE...name anything vvm has and i guarantee gvoice can do it better. D: take you like 10 minutes to set up (or less if you arent a snail) and youll save so much money.

VVM=
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] azturbomini:
Apparently I'm dumb.

*EDIT*

I got Google Voice figured out. I was trying to set everything up from my phone. (That doesn't work out to well!)
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayleterleir:
Hi all,

I purchased GoF2 a while ago from the market, and since i've upgraded to the Tab, i'd love to be able to play it in all 7"s of glory. However, it isn't listed in the market on the device and the web market declares my Galaxy Tab as not compatible. Is there any way to make it compatible and if it is already, retrieve the APK from the market?
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lhon0901:
You can try downloading "Spare Parts" from the Android market to force apps to load full screen... Be warned though that not all apps scale properly... Tried it on diner dash and it did not scale that well, it was better to play it on original resolution even though it did not fit the whole screen...

Might work on yours though...

Hope this helps...
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssserpentine:
It does run on the galaxy tab.

Period.

No matter what you do.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayleterleir:
Ah damn, never mind. Thanks anyway :)
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] natious:
For one, its a tegra 2 game, 2nd its for ginger bread, but there is a modified version floating around that was modded for snapdragon gpus, so if you're on 2.3 you could try that version in conjunction with chainfire3d.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheATHEiST:
Just upgrade Tab to Android 2.3 and use Chainfire3D with NVidia plugin.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] natious:
Apparently it still dosnt work, but no one has tried the "modified" version, I don't have time to try it yet :(

swyped from a galaxy far far away...
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssserpentine:
F-it, I will be honest....

Modded version doesnt work on Tab. Works on the G2

shhhhhhh
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] salhtcpro2:
Hello everyone, This threat is for the people who are looking for to get their HTC Hub working...

I searched on google for a fix but was not able to find anything.

If anyone knows how to get this HTC Hub working, we will greatly appreciate it :D

Thanks...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RileyGrant:
It honestly depends on what rom you are running, on the kingdom port it took me days to get working then it just magically started. For some reason HTC Hub is beyond spotty and downloads are hit or miss, chances are try tomorrow and itll be up and running.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] salhtcpro2:
kind a strange but thanks for the info :)

btw.. I'm using Ginger-AleV3... which is working good for me except for the HTC Hub
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Callie_evo:
htc hub?

how does one get this? is it an apk?
[Ideos S7 General] vanalstine:
My Telstra T-tab Touch (Huawei S7) is great except for one annoying thing: if I have it set for the screen to timeout automatically, it times out and then restarts! It will keep doing it in an infinite loop if I don't turn it off or change the settings to 'Never timeout'. Has anyone else had a similar problem. :confused:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dopediculous:
OK Guys and Gals, Here is what is going on with the radio issue. No Matter WHAT radio combos you may be using. As some of you may know by my earlier posts I live in a huge 4G network and never get anything, but 4G and (3G only for a min on boot) This is why I didn't have ANY issue's until I got curious and wanted to try something. On our tbolts, if you try to make a call while in 3G the 3G will drop out until the call is over. I went back to froyo, got pissed and went strait back to GB (doesn't matter what Rom as all the dev have clearly stated) when I did go back to GB things were tight as usual. worked like a charm. I used it as I normally would and everything was fine. upon a self induced restart, before my phone had a chance to obtain 4G (still in 3G) I decided to make a test call to see if the 3G would drop. It didn't. Quickly after I ended the call the phone booted in to bootloader. Thank God I had removed the GB RUU because I don't have a card reader to remove the RUU. I forgot to mention I do have the latest Rom Mgr and was able to get into recovery and simply reboot. After that reboot I would get to my home screen, but this time the 3G only would come up and then reboot. Time after time of rebooting I tried other things such as toggle radio to just grab 4G, then the phone rebooted again! upon the next full boot I quickly moved the original froyo radio strait to the sd card. And yet another reboot. This time I got a Rom Mgr error and noticed that Rom mgr was no longer flashed!!! I flashed it real quick because I knew another reboot was on its way. Rom mgr flashed and I told it to boot in to recovery. Thank **** I flashed Rom manager because if not I would be in continuous boots like the unfortunate others. Once in recovery I Realized that I had told my phone to go in to recovery via Rom mgr. and if I did a restore, the phone would have booted back up with my froyo rom but with the GB radio! so I told CWR to just reboot so I could tell the phone to go into recovery via the pwr restart option (thus not restarting after I flashed my froyo recovery) Once recovery of my froyo rom was complete I used ADB to reboot bootloader and SUCCESS! Bottom line you can not make a call while on 3G with any of the current GB radios, you gotta be quick, Make sure ROM mgr is actually flashed!!!! and hopefully can dump the froyo radio on to your SD card before an inevitable reboot happens! and have some ADB knowledge. I'm certain this is whats going on! People make a call while in 3G and its all down hill from there. So dont bother with telling radio settings to stick with one band. Once this happens, there is no turning back. Any questions PM me. I'm glad I tried this out before Vaca tomorrow with a FUBAR Tbolt :)

Hope this helps developers somehow. Good luck!

Also check a couple quotes from the development thread. Remember I'm going on vacation n won't be able to reply to many comments. Maybe just share your experience. Thank you