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[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
If this if that. If it were a perfect world.... Since you two seems so horrified by the visuals of the screen, would it not be of much more sense, for you to go to another phone, how can you be married to this phone so quickly...dreading each time you look at the screen really? What about the G2x is so wonderful that you must buy it at full price, and so unwilling to use other equipment?

I mean the G2x must be a dream machine for you to hold your noses in the air, plug it, and continue to keep the phone.

I am considering the Sensation in the alternative, but if screen is your biggest consideration, it viewing angles and saturation are not even in the same class as the G2x, then again its larger, so its a balancing act, to you're a one trick pony.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
Congrats you missed every point he made, takes real skill for that. He said he is accepting returns,

but not in a fantesy (yours) that customers come in claim problems, as the sales reps to go into the closet, turn off the lights to see something, come running out and tell the customer to go back grab all the inventory of the phones, open each one up, hook em up...and find the one that is just perrfect to your liking....ask you to tidy them up in the boxes, and ship back all the now Open box goods that they legally can not sell as new.

He also said if it was a problem for many or said by LG (as you have pretty much lied and said that LG has admitted the G2x has a screen problem, without post any link, just pull it out of your arse)......that if it was an known issue, that dealers would have a prescribed way to deal with it. But he said that is not the case.

For example if it was a verified issue mfg issue, they could offer compensation as in a free case, screen protectors, offer discounted or free extended warranties. That was his point. This is cosmetic...have you seen the pictures of the horrific problem????

Case in point many jesters think they should be treated as princesses, and think they are always right....foolish eh?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
Darling, did you read the OP, you seem to be posting that the light bleed is not significant for you, you certainly don't want to post a picture of the light bleed.

You then prove that the issue is not listed, and then comment on how T-Mobile and LG are putting out software fixes as soon as possible to address. Which more than likely be the complete swap out of 2.2 for 2.3 (why bother to work on 2.2 when everything would just need to be restested of 2.3 anyway)

Have you tried turning off your GPS, and Wifi, when neither of them are being used? Perhaps putting on a battery saver app, if you can not do that by yourself with the menus. Maybe not leaving the phone on your passenger seat soaking up the sun.

But hey thanks anyway for pointing out that software issues in Rev 1 could need enhancements,....we would have never guessed.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
Me thinks he would be aware of LCD topic simply because he is reading and posting on this thread...or it could be the nefarious undercurrent you seem to float out there....but I am gonna say because he is reading the thread his posting on.

1. A sporadic problem exists (intermittent...which are the hardest to solve)

2. It is acknowledged.

3. They state same, and say they working as hard as possible to resolve.

That is what is going on. So what you ask them to do differently? There is no time machine, they can not go back....since we are in present day, are they not doing everything possible?

I don't know if the way you have it set up is a trigger for the reboot, but you may want to tell them your setup to see if they can replicate it. I assume you have a tweaked setup since you say that you not even be aware of the reboot if not for your password.

Rebooting mostly at night vs daily usage....hmmm....yah they should be aware of that symptom.....but as a short term fix, would you not benefit from removing your password, so it can compelete this odd nightly reboot without you ever seeing it....short term....just sayin.

Thanks for confirming your screen bleed is not significant in your real world usage. Might I suggest that you don't get into the closet, and use your phone in complete darkness?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
AKA no need to post this homoerotic stuff, not that there is anything wrong with that, the closet thing is just for just for testing the screen, sorry if you thought your should be out...but hey keep your hardcore stuff private...at least PG-13 when posting.

Appreciated
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
Any posting that shows that the OP is not reflecting LG or TM saying the LCD backlight is not within normal manufacturing tolerances, vs notions of pure perfection.....would be most welcome.

Until then, please try to not post misinformation, without any links, and then ask for a thread to be closed with that wrong information.

BTW the OP was talking about the real world significance, you don't seem to have anything to contribute saying real world users are in any way impacted by the LCD screen. You seem to be way OT for this thread, you could just close yourself off to reading it.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] ickster:
Edited below sorry for pushing enter too soon.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] ickster:
You're just a jerk. But I am too for letting you get to me.

I took exception when he implied that there wasn't that big an issue with the phones. I can personally disprove that. I actually agreed with your original post as I said in post #21 in this thread..

The sim password has nothing to do with it rebooting. It IS completing the reset, hence it shows the password screen.. It didn't reboot last night. But my couple of bookmarks are gone. This phone is screwy. It has nothing to do with me.The Apps I have are all the same ones I had on my last two phones...nothing new. If it can't play well with the apps, there is something wrong with it.

As far as "or it could be the nefarious undercurrent you seem to float out there...." if LG and T mobile can continue to pretend there is no issue with the reboots, then they don't have to fix it. So is it so out of the question that they would fall all over themselves avoiding acknowleging it? It could cost them a ton of money if they do. More IMO if they refuse to take care of people. You think that these companies are just going to automatically do the right thing here? If so you are naive. And I don't actually think I said anything about that aspect of this.

I have been pretty reasonable about my problems. I also chose MY words so they didn't insult, unlike you. So don't spew your crap my way.

And in my third edit, I'd also like to point out that I don't complain just to complain or be ugly. I'm having issues and am returning my phone. As it should be. Everyone at T mobile, LG and Cellhub have been great. So far.

(4th edit LOL) T Mobile is sending me a third one letting me keep this one until it comes. Can't beat that for Customer Service!
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tackleberry:
Falling to see where or what my post has anything to do with homoerotic fantasies. And people say asshole in pg13 movies.

All I'm saying is reps with that kind of an attitude get ripped into when I have to deal with them. I had to deal with one last weekend at t-mobile. Now I just file complaints when j get overzealous pompous jack asses that think they know it all.

G2x with faux AOSP
[T-Mobile LG G2x] jrwingate6:
You reported someone for giving his opinion? Get real! How old are you?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] katiepea:
had you READ my other posts you'd have seen that my responses did converse the significance of the issue, the g2x i have is my girlfriends phone. she's as far from a videophile as you can get and is the reason we've returned the phone. she noticed the bleeding and discoloration on her own without a word from me. so we returned several of them. also as i stated the rep at the store is the one who said it was a known issue upon returning, i never claimed LG had said as much. if she notices it, and there's a lot of people here noticing it and returning it i think the issue of it's significance is rather moot. i don't think anyone is expecting anything other than acceptable comparable performance from their screen. there are plenty of other phones/lcd's that don't experience this issue.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] katiepea:
the reason we've not switched to another device is we found one that didn't have the bleeding issue, and we think it's a great phone. but thanks for the purchasing tips. you seem to propose that we don't we the phone to be good. this couldn't be further from the truth, in fact i can't really seem to find out what your point is on any level. but seeing as how you're seeker of proof and all that is true, i'll refrain from being in the way of your quest of wrongology. nobody was trying to start arguments, i think it's a tired point of people claiming this issue is people nit picking about their phones, plenty of people have the issue, and i highly doubt if tmobile didn't know it was a real one they'd let people open boxes until they found one they like.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] ramses99:
I purchased 6 G2X's today from Costco. returned all of them. over $1000 bill. The Costco Manager and wirelss manager were involved and check these phones out. The manager after me buying 6, said enough we are opening all of them. took out the remaining 7 to check. Total of 13 devices going back (Costco 1 LG 0). But LG 1 Me 0 because it left me with a Galaxy S untill Costco get the sensation or LG fixes the issue. The manager stated he will no longer buy any more though, so I will see. The entire inventory had some minor screen bleeds, some major to extreme. I even spoke to customer care on what I was doing and upset on the fact that I used my upgrade and if reversed I can only get a phone sent from customer care. Thus I will just exchange through Costco.The Tmobile rep recognized the G2X flaws and said they are backoredered both for running out of stock and because of all the returns and awaitng new manufactured ones. I mean 13 G2X's with this and all manufactured on different dates. I would love to keep a G2X phone but I only see this screen getting worse or completely failing, especially, if there already show signs of flaws. In the end I may not buy LG again after this dilemna. No other phone at Costco including my HD2 has this issue. For those saying suck it up, I would but with this bad of manufacturing flkaws and the other issues with this device, i may be left with a busted phone over time.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] ramses99:
I the end its a quality issue and can be seen as possibly other issues that may happen down the road.

I recently tryed to sell something that had a flaw by the manufacturing company in their software. To fix it it must be sent back to them. nobody will buy it because they do not want to spend the time and money to send it back. I don't need it anymore thus stuck.

I do not want to spend the money on a phone i may be stuck with becuase of design flaws that can lead to bigger issues down the road.

And it just looks bad. I can see the anmiation of games and movies brightenen and blled thrpugh those flawed areas. i don't know if people have been noticing that but it does. looks like firework or sparks coming from the side when you are not watching an action film with wnything of that sort in it.

If I try to sell this device down the raod and the screen gets worse as some have noted. i am stuck because people will know about it and will see it if bad.I actually sold a phone once with a screen issue similar to this. The screen was also unsatlled improperly and slightly crooked which messed up the touchscreen area of the phone he wanted his money back when he noticed it. The screen may end up having
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
I went offtopic myself, as this thread is solely for the significance of light bleed. My remarks were simply the T-mobile guy is going to be familiar with the LCD issue just by reading this thread.

As far as the technical problems with some of the connective....going OT again....I think they are real, and have a lot of expectations of the 2.3 release fixing them. Maybe its gonna be basic android...but how about LG writing an App to better manage GPS, Wifi, and Data services and put that on.

Ironically the HTC sensation my be a better phone, though a bit slower, but the first set of reviews say the viewing angles are not so great, viewing angles and brightness are used all the time, as opposed to blank screen viewing in a completely dark environment. I need to read more about the HTC Sensation screen.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
It boils down simply to what is the significance of the screen bleed problem, doing real tasks. The worst case test of using a blank screen in a completely dark environment is not illustrative anything. There are at least 6 different technologies for smart phone screens. Varients of IPS, VA, Amoled. For the most part these minor screen bleeds are an aspect of IPS, which is known to have worse contrast ratios than TN or VA LCDs. IPS rewards on skin tones, and viewing angles, every professional uses IPS for color critical work.

But the G2x has an IPS screen, that is the deal, and it seems that many people are far too concerned about running a stress test, vs your own usage. If people want a jet black screen, they really want an AMOLED. Until the SII is out the text will be grainer. But the AMOLED has the very fastest response times, perfect for movies and games.

Nobody is providing any sorts of pictures or videos of the bleed problem, besides a jet black screen with some bits of corner brightness.

Right now for reading text, the Iphone4 is hands down the best screen, the SII is gonna be very nice.....but as screen the G2x is excellent also. But tech moves on....the G2x screen is already replaced by the LG NOVA IPS, and I would not be surprised if the shift over entirely, especially if the can make the NOVA panels on the same lines as the G2x screen. The NOVA is the Optimus black is more energy efficient, and very bright.

I honestly thought that someone would have posted a picture or a video of a problem G2x screen in action....but nobody has....the closest was a mostly black wall paper....and that was a non issue.

Since T-Mobile is shooting these out at 50 dollars with a free case and bluetooth at Costco....its hard to fault the device for being burdened IPS contrast ratios.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] MrNIGHTLIFE:
I just got my G2X two days ago and I have the LCD bleeding. The phone was purchased from Costco.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
I have hard time believing that the Costco manager did not refunding your membership fee, and tell you to never come back. So you took a bunch of phones that IPS screens, and cracked them all open, and then returned them, because they did not have the virtues of AMOLED.

The only result even if you would have found one you thought was pure perfection, is that you would have opened and returned 5 other phones. I guess you feel better by not accepting any of them.

Certainly you had no expectation there would be a perfect G2x screen, nobody has said they exist. AMOLED is pure black, a backlight and LCD blocking the light is a much harder task.

They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....you are pretty much insane for thinking your Costco unboxing of every phone was going to do something any different.

I would have thought you would have figured out to get a Sensation without your insane exercise in futility......

But then again you say they are saying they are out of stock, but have a healthy 14 units on hand.....hmmmm.....the costco guys in the cage keep on taking units out for a customer who always intended on opening them all up and cherry picking.....BS meter clicked in.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] jrwingate6:
If you bought them from Cosco, where did you test out the bleed issue? Every Cosco mobile stand I've seen is open with nothing but ambient light surrounding it. Are you saying that the bleeding was seen on 13 devices while under bright light? Or did you and the manager go into the bathroom and play swords? Errr, I mean did you go to the bathroom and turn off the lights to see the bleeding.

I'll tell you all what. After reading all these threads, I feel like I won the god damn lottery getting a G2X with no issues.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tq745:
i just got a replacement g2x from costco due to a faulty camera...and i can honestly say that the g2x i have now is a lot worse when it comes to screen bleed then my first one. can i live with it? for now yes...i'm running a black status bar on 50% and i can still notice it a little. if it does get worse i'm taking it right back to costco.

you know i agree with both sides here...in real world performance yes the bleed is hardly noticeable...but for those who are asking for videos and pictures let me say this...a camera lens will never see what the human eye sees. anyone can take a pic and over expose the pic so it does look a lot brighter then what it's supposed to be.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] jcbofkc:
Hmm...after talking with LG yesterday, they say they have nothing to do with any upcoming update. I suppose the LG customer rep I was stuck with could just be stupid.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] touge_ninja:
i think i got lucky with my G2X, screen bleed is barely noticable.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] faux123:
I wish I have my nice digital SLR with me (GF got it :P) so I can take a proper photo of it and show it to you guys, I must have the WORST G2x in terms of LCD bleed.

My LCD screen bleeds from ALL 4 corners, with the top 2 corners being the worst. During the day time I don't notice them much (but still visible inside the office), but at night while trying to watch a youtube or a video, it is extremely annoying esp during the darker scenes :(
[T-Mobile LG G2x] abowmedia:
To the OP, you are aware that camera's can't catch light the same way the eye can right? There's no way for a camera to catch it in a real world situation, but the eye most definitely can. In person, I could prove it, on camera, only in a dark room can the camera actually pick up the issue.

So you're calling this issue bogus because a digital camera can't pick up a light issue on a digital display? Are you serious?

All I know is that i've seen several phones made with an LCD display, and this is the only one that does this even in a black room with the lights off. Pick up ANY other phone with an LCD and it won't do this, black room, black screen, whatever.

You also act as if the light bleed is consistent. If it happens no matter what, how come one corner will do it, but not all. Or some devices do it all the way along one edge, but not in the corners at all. There's no consistency to it. The reason for that is that it's a manufacturing defect. They're pumping the displays out as fast as possible with no attention to detail.

I'm sure the Koreans are grateful for accepting individuals like you, but the rest of us don't have to accept crap for $500, when i can set it right next to another LCD display in an all black room without getting the same results. My 4 year old LCD Vizio tv still doesn't have an ounce of bleed in any corner or edge. Sure it doesn't hit true black, that much I expect, but the bleed is a defect, whether you like it or not. Saying that its not a real issue because a camera can't catch is what's BOGUS here.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] mobilehavoc:
Taken in pitch black room with my Xoom camera. Brightness at 100% and viewing a black image. I can definitely live with this with no issue.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] dvan13578:
This is so true...my screen looked horrible in my house but when I took it back it looked perfect in the bright lights at costco. The sales guy had to stick his head down in the kiosk cabinet with the phone, then he saw what I was talking about. He agreed that something wasnt right with the screen.

The replacement was much better but still a slight bleed in the corners. Im happy though, great deal for $49 with all the xtras imo.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] TechMate21:
While these were all shot in a dark room, they are all perfectly exposed based on every definition of the rules of photography. Cameras do not have the same range of contrast as the human eye/brain and only manage to show 5 to 7 stops of contrast so it is absolutely necessary to capture the issue in a dark room. That's true from digital to film. These photos also illustrate a much bugger issue with the screens that has nothing to do with bleed. Light leakage due to plain shoddy manufacturing. You show your ignorance in how quickly you want to bash others.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
Horsefooey. The videos show the problem, and its significance in the ultimate stress test, people have posted pictures saying THERE IT IS, and others say where in the picture are you saying.

You can take a camera, put it in sports mode, it will not send a flash, and use a very high shutter speed. That will capture the problem or lack there of in any scenario.

There are many screen technologies now in cell phones, actually its where most of the action is now. You can have TN, VA, IPS...something called super LCD, which I think is just a marketing term, then you have AMOLED and AMOLED+. The best IPS screen for a phone is the Iphone4, the resolution is incredible and text is filled in deeply with black, it makes text reading easier on a 3.5 screen than a 4 inch screen.

The AMOLED+ could end up being the best, but I have not seen it myself yet in person.

LG makes the most IPS screens in the world, for the phone world they are moving to something called the LG NOVA you can look it up.

The current state of the art for the IPS screen being used in the G2x has some insignificant screen bleed in worst case testing, it however is very hard to view in any situation besides getting in a closet and turning on the phone to an all black screen. Put a beach wallpaper on and its invisible in a worst case scenario.

To be honest I think there is (my theory only) some learning curve, or more likely outcome to get minor screen bleed with this curved Gorilla glass, maybe something with pressure on the corners.

I would rather have the Gorilla glass, regardless. (youtube some of the stress testing between the Ipad and the Ipad 2 screen strength)

There are real issues with the G2x, most significantly my concern is on below average reception, and possible death grip, as I still need a good case.

Why reception bigger than reboots and stuff, because I doubt software can fix any hardware antenna system problems. I really want to see the Sensation reception abilities. I am not in a good area.

If you are intent on watching Batman, or some other dark movie in no or low lighting....yes you may see some bleed, however and a big however, the color, and the especially skin tones, will be fantastic, better than 90% of all phones.

good luck, with learning how to work a camera...again try sports mode for stuff like this
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
That's better than my NEC LCD1990SXi, a 700 dollar professional 19 inch monitor.

Back-light uniformity is a much bigger issue on desktop size, the uniformity on these tine screens amazes me still. Your pick looks like mine, but is slightly better, to a perfectionist.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tombaker1:
I have none of your edge leaks along the edge......wait actually I do have two spots off to one side. I have to look for it, and its only when I am looking at it at about 170 degrees....in other words, never.

If light leakage is corrosive and gets worse over time, it should be returned. If its like the backlighting on my laptop, which I also see like this....its just the way it is, big deal.

I have yet to see a picture of anything which is so considerable that its defective. I love the guy with the picture of the big arrow pointing to essentially nothing.

This now is basis of a major lawsuit....GMAFB already