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[LG Revolution] majorpay:
I picked up a Revolution too. Reviews have been bad due to software, etc, but who the hell that has any interest in modding their phone sticks with the stock launcher? I saw a miniscule hesitation in the interface, then it was Go Launcher EX install ftw. Smooth as butter.

I like the new ability of the power bar in the task bar and the integration of the music player there. Maybe this isn't new, but I'm coming from an older hacked device, and without CM 7 (which seemed to mess up performance on that device), you didn't get that.

Throw out the Verizon navigator (don't they charge a fee for that?) and hack in Google Navigator and I would be one happy camper. I don't care about the custom ROMs at the moment, just make Verizon Navigator go away in favor of Google Navigator.... PLEASE!
[LG Revolution] shadowdude777:
CM7 doesn't run well on older phones from my experience. My Droid 1 hates it. But it's really awesome on capable hardware. All I really ask of for the Revo is ClockworkMod Recovery and CyanogenMod support. Then maybe we can do some fun stuff like custom kernels, run Debian Linux on it, etc, which is just the gravy.

It's unnerving how little interest there seems to be in the Revo from devs. I don't even have the phone in my hands yet and I'm starting to dislike it because it seems like it'll be orphaned.
[LG Revolution] majorpay:
I'd say give it some time. There has to be devs that get the phone (or devs that have a donated one) in order for there to be work. Then you have to give time for the cooking as well. This phone officially launched on the 26th(?), so we're not really going to have a mature community as of yet.

There are going to be a lot of haters, because many were quick to jump on the TB for the 4g. Even if you secretly like the Revo, you can't admit that, because you're stuck.
[LG Revolution] shadowdude777:
Sure, I understand it's a new phone, but two things make me unnerved:

1) The TB is an HTC phone, and XDA loves HTC. XDA does very little for non-HTC phones compared to what they do for HTC phones. It's a bad trend, as HTC devices aren't always the best (far from it).

2) The phone's been out for almost a week. The TB had custom ROMs by the time it was a week old. ROMs as in plural. Many ROMs. :P

I'm just saying, we'll never match their dev community, I think, and that's sad, because the Revo just has better hardware.
[LG Revolution] bwhxeon:
You have to keep in mind HTC phones are all practically the same except for the radios. Not to mention look the same...... if the thunderbolt was more up to date with the hardware i might have kept it, but its just evo minus a hdmi. As only 1 of 3 4g phones i have no doubt devs will come.
[LG Revolution] bp328i:
You can't really think the Thunderbolt is "just an evo minus the hdmi" can you. If that is what your really thinking you should pickup their spec sheet and read it.

In addition, I'm not sure what you mean by "thunderbolt was more up to date with the hardware i might have kept it", you do know that both the Thunderbolt and the Revolution have the same processor. (1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8655)
[LG Revolution] BlackHoleSlam:
Question is the thunderbolt only 4g phone that can get talk and data at the same time because of the dual chip
[LG Revolution] bwhxeon:
No your right the evo 4g actually has a kickstand that works.while charging and has hdmi. otherwise besides lte and snapdragon vs scorpion there is no difference. Thunderbolt would not pair with my car Bluetooth 2.0 LG revolution does and has 3.0. Call quality, sound,lcd hdmi are all better on the revolution. Signal does not drop either for my revolution. The thunderbolt. specs are similar to the evo 4g, shift, incredible1,2 . all cdma phones running the same group and similar internals.
[LG Revolution] shadowdude777:
Again, specs are NOT the same as on the Evo. The TB has a refreshed processor that makes it much more similar to the Revo than it is to the Evo. You're right though, the Revo is better as an actual phone. But it's not a good dev toy because all of the devs are already at the TB.
[LG Revolution] bp328i:
In your first post you never said the EVO 4G you said the EVO.

Not sure what your issue is with your Bluetooth as I don't have one issue. I travel a lot for work and I'm in a different rental car 3 days out of the week and my Thunderbolt never has an issue pairing with any of them.

Please show me the specs that make the call quality, sound, and LCD better. If your just going off your own opinion everyone has one. I personally think the call quality is the same as my friend has the revolution and my screen looks much better than his, but that is my opinion. I have never lost signal on my Thunderbolt and I go between 3G and 4G daily. I guess the 8mp camera vs the 5 is out dated and being able to talk while still using the web to search for things on Google and not bing is out dated as well. If you like the shape of a brick then the revolution is an awesome looking phone.

I'm glad you like your revolution, good luck with it but by no means is the Thunderbolt hardware not up to date.

I'm going to go to the Thunderbolt section now and download a few different ROMs to play with this weekend. Maybe some Gingerbread, maybe some Froyo or maybe both.
[LG Revolution] crt_ben:
Why all the TB <> Revo bashing? People can choose whichever device appeals to them. I happen to like the Revo, and hope it garners some developer support, because I think the hardware is solid.

BlackHoleSlam,

I have confirmed simultaneous voice and data over 4G. I don't know about 3G, I'll see if I can find a solid 3G area to test.
[LG Revolution] bp328i:
I agree that people should choose the device that they like the most. Whichever phone that may be, Thunderbolt, Revolution, or even an iPhone.

When it comes to bashing, people like to defend their choice, that's just human nature. I have nothing against the Revolution or the iPhone for that matter. I just prefer the Thunderbolt.
[LG Revolution] BlackHoleSlam:
I do want the rev I like it more than the bolt and it has the built in hdmi I like touchwiz and it is similar to it but I do want custom rom and kernel support
[LG Revolution] stanlalee:
the benchmark scores mean nothing when your talking about it in the context of "dev phone" when comparing phones that share the same hardware (there's only a couple hundred meaningless point difference on meaningless quadrant anyway). Overclocked to 1.8-1.9ghz I've gotten the TB to repeatable quadrant scores of 2900 and Linpack 60. the hardware is capable of the same thing since it is the same thing, all that counts is what the devs can do with it. I also dont understand the significance of the bootloader being unlocked in comparison. The TB has been unlocked and if rooting takes 15 more minutes is this really an issue? At this point TB has too many froyo roms to count, too many kernels for 2.2 and 2.3 to count, a CM7 rom now working well enough to daily drive and Gingerbread sense (when its not bricking phones lol) with sense 3.0 components that are so nice once its stops bricking phones I'm leaving pure CM7 to go back to. The LG has the hardware to compete but since when has LG ever had the dev community support to be "the dev phone". thats wishful thinking. Of 4G LTE phones the TB is the dev phone of choice right now...by a long shot.
[LG Revolution] shadowdude777:
It's not so much the best dev phone choice as it is the one that's already been designated as the LTE single-core dev phone. I think the Revo is far superior in terms of hardware, still, but for some reason completely unknown to me, good dev communities only spring up around HTC phones, and notable exceptions like the Moto Droid 1.

I'm thinking I'm gonna actually get the TB instead though. The dev community is just not flourishing here and I NEED the best custom ROM and kernel support I can get. The Revo is slightly better, but not enough for me to sacrifice the awesome community the TB has going on. Plus, I didn't realize it was as easy as it turns out it is to unlock the bootloader and get root. I just read the TB root guide.
[LG Revolution] azturbomini:
Everyone said the Fascinate was or is superior in hardware too but... You can have all the great hardware in the world but it's going to be an average phone with so so software. The verdict is still out with LG. We'll see how it pans out later on.
[LG Revolution] shadowdude777:
Of course I realize that without XDA support, the phone is nerfed a LOT, and I wouldn't buy it given the forum's current state. I'll be keeping an eye on this forum though.
[LG Revolution] superbigblack:
im not sure what the big deal is with the hdmi port. can u guys really play games nd surf the web and click on the links without looking at your phone? plus i thought the evo could only play back content not mirror the phone? maybe you guys should sell your old tvs upgrade to 3d with dlna like me! nd stop crying that the tb isnt up to date when ur **** in your bedroom/living room isnt up to date hdmi is old wireless streaming is in get with the times my friends!
[LG Revolution] bp328i:
100% agree...nice post!
[LG Revolution] majorpay:
so much hatred...

represented from XDA for the LG Revo. Weird, as it appears to be a solid device. With some minor adjustments from devs, it would be a solid contender. TB has to be at the throat of Revo though because they are basically the same phone, except the Bing issue and the BT 3.0 capabilities (and native Netflix).

Here, I'll throw a bone to those of you locked in for two years on your TB that may be wondering if you should have buyers remorse: Your phone supposedly has the better screen. This might actually be the kick in the groin I need to return my Revo. I'm an avid skier, so if this phone has a significant deficiency in sunlight readability next to the TB, I will be moving into the TB arena. I hope there isn't that much of a difference, because so far this phone has been ok.

To be honest, I haven't been all that impressed with any phone offering. Other than the gaming ability, I'd argue that after many modifications and finding the right ROM, that my generation 1 Eris was borderlining on equivalent if not superior build/functionality (largely due to a good dev community and SOLID indestructible construction).

fyi - xtrrom was the ultimate winner in the ROM wars for me.
[LG Revolution] majorpay:
Oh yeah, and everyone can shutup about the interface. We're on the most notorious developer / modder site for Android on the web and people give a crap what interface comes stock with their phone? LOL... That was the first thing to go for me.
[LG Revolution] shadowdude777:
What a great suggestion; HDMI is definitely old. That's why new high-end TVs are coming with it as the standard port and many TVs don't come with wireless streaming capabilities.

Oh wait, maybe that should tell us that wireless streaming is stupid, has high latency, and is not ready for primetime, while HDMI provides a much more enjoyable experience. Yeah, I'll go with that. It's also cool that HDMI doesn't require me to throw out a 42" LCD and buy another 42" LCD for $1000+ so I can get rid of one wire.

If your biggest concern is a good screen, the Charge is a clear winner, though I honestly hated the device for everything but the screen. That's why I returned it.

Also, the XDA hate for the Revo is because it's not an HTC phone. It's stupid, but that just seems to be how it goes around here; HTC or GTFO.
[LG Revolution] majorpay:
The Charge is ugly as hell, and the rumors about the TB screen being so much better than the LG Revo was bull. I pulled the rep out of the store today with his TB, and my screen was more readable than his.

With XDA, I suspect it is easier to mod an HTC device because it's all familiar coding. Stepping outside of the HTC world means having to start over in some areas, I suspect. It's a shame, and I hope that changes, because some of the best and brightest minds in the business were doing some killer work over here. I actually liked the Eris in some ways better than my current phone because of the XTR Rom. The smoothness and stability was something that a Gen 1 phone shouldn't have.

As far as the argument against HDMI is concerned, it's just stupid. An HDMI port is an AWESOME feature. I use a 37" TV as my monitor. With a plug, I can work with my phone. A small APP would make my TV mirror my android, and I'd have all that space. Add a BT keyboard using the BT 3.0 hardware and voila, we're on our way to some actual productivity.

And then you go to a hotel and need to type something up. Carry around your laptop, or just plug in to the TV that comes with your room?

How is DLNA going to save you in that situation? What if you want to watch a movie or Netflix in your hotel? You going to do DLNA through their crappy wifi connection? And how is it going to get to that TV? :P
[LG Revolution] smokedkill:
I loved my Eris. The custom rom community for that phone was just awesome. So many top notch roms to choose from that I became spoiled.
[LG Revolution] majorpay:
It had a wide array of developers and was back in the day when phones still came "phone size" (not that I'm complaining about my new 4.3" screen). With the endless mods, you could pick a different flavor every day of the week. Now that I have my new phone, I'm starting to realize that not having Flash and Netflix was not really that big of a deal. Saying all that, I'm really starting to warm up to my Revo. Assuming I can hack my way through creating a recovery ROM (with some help, of course), I'll be set.
[LG Revolution] vladtehimpaler:
I got my phone from my employer a little over a week ago - first thing I did was look into rooting and getting a custom ROM. There's so much junk on computers and phones, it's kinda silly, just as you said, to complain about a device when you're in THE PLACE for getting rid of the bloat and installing streamlined and trimmed-down *everything* for a phone. I installed RevoltROM 1.5 and the phone is running noticeably faster... which is what I thought we werre all here for? :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] killerb255:
I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here (I LOVE my LG Quantum!)--but I do find it tough to convince people to get a Windows Phone over, say, an Android Phone or iPhone. I know there are several reasons behind this at the current stage of the game (lack of popular apps in comparison to iPhone/Android, pre-Mango APIs are lacking, missing what's now perceived to be "basic" functionality like cut-and-paste pre-NoDo, etc.), but let's think like a high school teenager for a moment here--validation is more important than individuality to many of them.

iPhone is hip

Android is hip

Windows Phone...not so much. If anything, "Windows" screams "geek." Should it have been called the Zune Phone? The X-Phone (similar to the XBox)?

Now I could be wrong about this hypothesis here, but in the off-chance that I'm not...how should Microsoft overcome this? Their partnership with Nokia may be a good start--the Nokia name pre-iPhone was fairly popular. At least this saves them from having to rename the phone altogether. People may be calling them "Nokia phones" instead of "Windows phone," even if some Nokia phones in two years may still use Symbian...

Thoughts?
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
I don't think anyone thinks Android is "hip" do they?

Many people I've spoken to have heard bad things about Windows Mobile and won't believe that Windows Phone is any different. Microsoft probably should have used a different brand name, but they'll pull back. The Nokia handsets will change everything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
All I can say is, ever since Gates left, Windows has taken a turn for the better. Windows 7 is cleaner and more elegant than MacOS, is more feature laden and seems to be trouble-free. If anything, I would think the Windows name would be a positive for WP7. And WP7 is the most elegant mobile OS I've ever used.

There may be some people who are down on Windows, but I doubt that many. iPhone is just a super popular phone and the great many just prefer it. There's a reason companies always like being the first on the scene. iPhone shows why. It's same way with anything in the market...from food to cars. The first always gains the most share and loyal following.

Microsoft needs to innovate and get to market with something so unique that it is the first of its kind...that is being desired by many. It can't be simply a new smartphone. The iPhone has that locked down. It has to be a new type of phone. If MS can figure one out with WP7, they will have a new iPhone on their hands.
[Windows Phone 7 General] macjr82:
reminds me of this article over on zdnet by Matt Miller

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phon...-windows-phone-7/6011?tag=mantle_skin;content
[Windows Phone 7 General] jmerrey:
in my opinion, yes

when people see my phone, they almost always ask "android?" and when I say "no, windows phone" the look I get is almost always the same, a cross between surprise and disintrest
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
They weren't developing W7 when gates was there it was Longhorn\Vista
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You guys really don't have a clue. Research before posting, please.

Just Google or Bing, Gates and Windows 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
look, folks need a simple, solid choice. another phone from another manufacturer isn't going to change anything. microsoft is moving too slow. an update "in six months or so" doesn't cut it anymore.

they need to up the game.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
So the topic is about Windows 7 and Gates?

Whatever. Gates is gone. WP7 is A/G. That's important.

And, I think that "windows" is turning people away. They should've called it ZuneOS. Or something like that. The magical brand of "windows" is not magical at all. I would like to call it Zune Phone. Or even maybe another name. Simple and cleaner.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I think it is somehow. It's easier to convince someone to try Bing rather than Windows Live Search isn't it?

Same applies to the phone, their marketing team could have come up with something if they had wanted that. And please, X-phone? Is that a phone for 12 year olds? The Xbox name would have been worse that Windows.

Ultimately once there are great phones, the phones name will do the job rather than the OS name. You don't usually talk about an android phone in everyday life, you talk about a HTC Desire, Nexus S, Samsung Galaxy S2, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Actually, when you speak with someone about your phone, they usually ask "Is it Android?".

So, yes, it makes difference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Windows mobile 6.5, windows phone 7, windows 7, windows phone 7.

Microsoft has some issues with brand identity here for sure. It sounds like WP7 is a continuation of 6.5, but it aint. It sounds like WP7 is somehow related to Windows 7; it aint. They probably screwed the pooch on the naming game, but hopefully as the OS continues to mature and develop it will garner due recognition for it's merrits.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Titus_Andronicus:
When I first got my WP7, my buddy at work appeared to feel betrayed. He said "I thought you were moving to Android (I had WM6.5 before). I think it definatly does come into play. People that know a bit about smart phones will always tell you that "Windows Mobile was a bad system". No one seems to realise that WM became very good by the end of its life.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Titus_Andronicus:
Maybe once Mango is out, I will just call my phone a "Mango Phone". I'll see how that works
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
I was thinking about that.. If everyone starts to change it's name to another.. Like, everyone I really means EVERYONE. Even blogs. Instead calling it "Windows Phone", call it, IDK, maybe your 'Mango Phone'. Microsoft would have to adopt the name. Windows Phone could be just the OS. WP7/7.1 OS.

To me, it would be something related to Zune.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dragon Queen:
I think that eye candy also has a lot to do with it especially for the younger generation. When I think of andriod I see the HTC sense screen, wp7 is basically 2 colors(simple and plain) when you first turn on both devices. Something like http://jozefkocur.blogspot.com/ would appeal more, even with the same base colors that are there now.

I know that if I went with andriod I could get everything on it I wanted, how much I would end up paying(dont wanna pay for apps) and how long it would take to find them all is another story. Where as with wp7 there have only been a few apps that I would add for functionality after mango, all free, and a few others items that I would deal with.

Advertising would help more as mango gets closer, I see more ads for Andriod than wp7, there are items in it that need to be out there for the ave dumb joe that doesnt research, they just pick up whatever is pretty, hot and has cool features shoved in their face.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
That Aero theme is just amazing, yet very simple. Easy to appeal to more customers with that indeed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Wow!

MS should really do this way! And the another concept too, about multitasking. Better than Mango's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I was always in favor of "zPhone" or "xPhone" for Zune phone or XBOX phone. But as long as MS continues to make it the best system ever created, I don't care what they call it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] diboze:
i see the opposite :)

the windows and the 7 makes people think of windows 7, which A LOT of people really like.

:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] sbrownla:
Interesting. I just bit the bullet and got an HD7 and I am shocked at how much I love it. I had a Zune which I loved, but didn't trust that WP7 could jeep me happy.

I think the OS just needs more visibility and attention. The commercials don't show enough of how straight-forward things are. There is a definite market for this OS, particularly with those who are tired and just want something good looking, mature, and classy.

This thing is very classy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
I think they should have called it Zune Phone and expanded on the Zune Brand.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kar111:
Thats funny, everyone in my school hates iphone and loves blackberrys (???). Android isnt considered hip at all and windows phone 7 is not even mentioned cuz of lack of exposure
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Yeah there's something very specific about the UK, all the kids have Blackberrys. For a start they're usually very cheap or free and BBM is what these kids want so they don't have to rely on large calls/texts allowances.

Adults either have Blackberrys too or iPhone 4s (not just iPhone, iphone 4!). I barely see anyone with Android (let alone WP7) but maybe that's just specific to London.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
ms have something quite brilliant with wm7. they should do something like a month free trial program. get to use it free for a month. like it swap in for a new one. don't like it just bring it back. anyone who use their phone and not play with it should loves it :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
WP7 (Windows Phone).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freypal:
Windows 7 is a great desktop OS.

Windows Phone 7 is a great mobile OS.

When both gain recognition and become more popular I guess that the crossover branding should help the other.

That's my assumption of the logic.