yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jlevy73:
Of course I value their opinion.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] ska.t73:
I believe this is a "we don't know what is causing it quite yet, however everyone it has happened too, has had one thing in common and that is GB" type thing. They are looking out for the community and advising to revert until they can either figure out the exact cause or a new GB radio gets leaked.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jcase:
If you don't value the input of AndIRC then obviously you have nothing to worry about, since you wouldn't be rooted then?

Which "developer" are you referring to, if its the one I am thinking of, its because he was posting completely bogus facts, citing either articles I wrote, or were written citing AndIRC as the source. He was making drama, and was ultimately banned from XDA (i believe it has now been lifted).
[Thunderbolt Android Development] mrjinglesusa:
Need a mirror please. DL speeds are horrendous.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dpdurst:
Thanks for the heads up, I just flashed back the PG05IMG_MR1_rooted_unsigned.zip and all is well, took a few minutes. I'll wait till we have something for sure that might not cause the problem. But I'm going to miss GB...
[Thunderbolt Android Development] trikotret:
It makes sense why the GB radio has low 4G speeds and random reboots. I say give it a week or so and a new radio leak will show. Isn't GB for TB supposed to be released end of June
[Thunderbolt Android Development] hippofisher:
Is it possible that 4G is causing the problem? That would be why most don't have the problem. The one dudes brother propounded was using 4G in the airport. I keep my 4G antenna off running the leak on bamf 2.0 since it showed up on the forum without even one random reboot.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] rmoffitt321:
I think you might be thinking of the issues that stock TB owners have been having after receiving the OTA update a little while back. I was already rooted when this happened so I never experienced it, but as I understand it after people received the OTA update from Verizon they started having a lot of random reboots to the point that some people were able to get replacement phones.

This GB issue is strickly related to rooted phones since no one with a stock TB has the radio that is causing the problems (to my knowledge)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] tekhna:
Hey guys, download speeds are really bad and the only ROM other than GB roms I have around is Tesla Coil. So if I download 1.13.605.7 from the radio thread, rename, put on my SD, boot into recovery, wipe, install Tesla Coil, battery pull, and hboot, will that work?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
This bricking has happened to me. I'm not one who jumps on the forums or IRC yelling help I have no clue what I just did, in fact I have never used IRC. I read and fix the issue myself. when I rooted my Thunderbolt I never even thought of using the one click method, adb all the way for me. When this happen I tried several different things to try to correct the issue. My last resort was to flash the stock RUU which did not work so at that point I knew I was screwed.

Not sure if you would call me credible or not but here is where I come from.

I started with the OG Droid which was rooted within a week of root for it coming out. My wife had an Eris that I rooted with adb then moved up to the Droid X (which I told her she should wait) which was rooted by me, again within the first week of root for it, my son has a OG Droid as well. I'm now rocking the Droid Incredible running Uber Kingdom with my own tweaks to the rom until my Thunderbolt is repaired.

I'm not a "dev" like adrynalyne (not even close to his pay grade), but I know my way around android and I'm an official themer on another forum if that means anything.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] ska.t73:
Yep, that's why I'm not so upset about going back... I mean DasBAMF 1.6.3 is about as perfect as it can get. I'll miss some things from GB (and it ran well mind you), however I'm sure we will be seeing some more leaks in the coming weeks that are a lot better then what we had.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] akvtiger:
Thanks for the heads up. No need to take any chances here.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
My work has 4G coverage and my home is 3G only. Mine bricked at home in good old 3G.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Zarboz:
ditto

thanks jcase i really dont wanna revert i was just having fun with GB stuff but o well

i guess if my phone bricks in the process of waiting to downgrade ill get a replacement and use this one as a paperweight :D
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jlevy73:
What part of my post indicated that I don't value the input of AndIRC. I think I pointed out explicitely my appreciation. All I asked was a simple question. If that equates to me not valuing AndIRC then so be it.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] mngdew:
Man, I starting to really like GB and Sense3.0.:(
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Southern_mind:
Back to froyo

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[Thunderbolt Android Development] mp3sum:
this. jcase be makin drama himself
[Thunderbolt Android Development] m00nshake:
I switched back to Froyo, despite that I have Best Buy Black Tie Insurance. The fact is that even if my phone boot loops and I have to take it back for a replacement, they have one month to fix my phone, and I'll not only be without my Thunderbolt but during that time, a more stable leak will come out, if not an official OTA. It's just not worth it. Also, i respect JCases advice as he is the one who had our Thunderbolt rooted within twenty four hours after launch, if I remember correctly.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] tekhna:
How about you don't rag on devs who do good work for us? Donations coming tonight from me.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] alonsou:
if I just restore the backup of my stock ROM that will take me back to Froyo, but will the radios also be the originals or the GB radios will remain on my Froyo ROM ?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Corey@rabbit:
OBAMA DID IT!!!

lol jk.

now to unsubscribe from the thread so I dont get a new email every 5 min...:rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt Android Development] FSRBIKER:
I just did this renamed the new cdma/old lte radio file and put it on the root of my sdcard. Booted into recovery wiped data & dalvik, restored Bamf stripped. Then battery pull, hold volume down and power on to flash the radio.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] WormDoes:
Your froyo backup with have the froyo radio. You'll need to flash a froyo radio and then restore your backup
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
Black Tie doesn't work that way. You walk in with your phone, and out with another brand new one.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] hogowner:
no you have to delete or rename the Ginger radio file...then download a froyo radio and name it PG05IMG lace it on your SD card

and load it in hboot
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Zalyia38:
And how! LOL! Damn this download takes forever....

Thanks to all of you das bamf dudes for taking such good care of all of us :P
[Thunderbolt Android Development] 66dude:
This thread validates my decision not to jump ship and flash GB on my precious Zeus. I think I will stick with 1.6.3 remix, with a possible upgrade to 1.7 remix soon. However, know that you are in my thoughts if you are among those whose phone became a shiny paperweight.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] m00nshake:
I don't doubt you. When I posted this, I just went by what the rep told me when he sold me the phone and the insurance. He said that they would give me a loaner, not a Thunderbolt, but some sort of suitable loaner, and then they send my phone in for fix or replacement, which would take up to one month.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] hippofisher:
I didn't mean that it will happen while your on 4G, but that by using 4g it would make you more vulnerable
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jcase:
You asked for proof, when at least two people (generally considered reliable sources, and whom you said you respect) backed it. I guess I am confused, what kind of proof do you want? A sworn statement? You post came off as all but calling us out for posting something bogus. If that is not how you ment it, then I apologize, however the general attitude we have gotten from this post on here, in PM and on twitter has been well.. hostile.

Give me proof the world exists, and it isn't just all in my head? Equates to your request in my eyes.

I apologize, I won't warn people again about potentially dangerous things again. Let me know if you ever want to walk down the highway with your eyes closed at night, wearing all black clothing.

</sarcasm>
[Thunderbolt Android Development] hogowner:
I was just getting used to Ginger also.....I just did a restore of BAMF 1.6.3 and HBOOTED the FROYO radio...all is good...will wait for BAMF 1.7 and also the GINGER ROM when it is stable :)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
Hate to say this but no you do not. They have to send it out to see if it can be fixed first, minimum turn around time is two to three weeks.

I know because I'm going through that right now.

Best Buy will tell you when their selling you the Black Tie that you break yor phone and they just give you a new one but it's not so. Your phone has to be deemed unrepairable by their third party before they give you a new one.

Hell, they did not even have a smart phone for a loaner for me, that's why I'm using my DInc right now.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] m00nshake:
We appreciate you for informing us, jcase.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
I'll take your word over many other cases where I have seen the opposite.

Wait, no I won't.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] elude79:
Hi

I just flashed this rom and RUU and wonder if this going to brick my phone too or not?

[ROM][5/24/2011]GingerBean v1.0 Beta 1 and Pure GB Theme

thanks guys
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
Ok then how about google, just type best buy black tie reviews and see all the issues. Have you ever used the program? I did am I'm sitting here looking at the paperwork they gave me not a new Thunderbolt.

Your a great dev but somethings your just wrong about, like this.

Edit: what they do have the option to do is called rapid replace, which is just like Verizon sending you a refurb. But lucky me, they had no Thunderbolts available when I went in so sending it in for repair was the only option.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] tx3kgtman:
Companys will lock bootloaders no matter if there was 0 claims or a million. just saying
[Thunderbolt Android Development] afallucco:
Guys leave jcase alone he's been nothing but helpful when he doesn't have to be. Brick your phone if you don't believe him and don't come asking for help when it happens. I can confirm the issues to btw. I had three people in my store over the past two days with boot issues described. I managed to get the bootloader running long enough to see what radio they were running which happened to be the alpha gingerbread one. When I asked them if they were running a rooted phone and such they fessed up and said they were.

Anyone else want to argue proof over these issues?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dlongb13:
Cases of it happening aren't the proof people want. The proof people want is proof that it is the GB radio that is causing it. Don't be so quick to jump on the defensive.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
Or maybe you don't understand how social engineering works. You don't know my situation, at all. You just think you do. Even if they try to do a 180 on me, they will give me a new phone.

Have fun with the paperwork.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jlevy73:
That was not the way it was intended to come off. :) Appreciate the heads up and letting people know of the potential pitfall.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
Maybe HTC put a bomb in the GB leak.

*giggles*
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Mrperf3ct:
Glad I got insurance. But I'm keeping gingerbread...
[Thunderbolt Android Development] decaturbob:
case, you are the man, let those who wish to risk their phones do it, me, I can afford the 20 minutes to revert back and what for stable GB/radios. many thanks to you and all the dev's out their doing a great thing
[Thunderbolt Android Development] azturbomini:
I'm sure glad I kept a backup of bamf 1.6.3 around. I flashed the (old) latst froyo radio through hboot. Booted into GB then renamed radio file. Rebooted into recovery, factory reset, wipe and restored 1.6.3 with no issues.

Good luck guys.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] decaturbob:
you can dl the 25mb file, all u need to get back and then restore a backup. 20 min to do it complete
[Thunderbolt Android Development] tekhna:
Ok, back to Froyo. And here I told myself I was going to get work done, no more playing with my phone for a few days thanks to all the work I had to do.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Mrperf3ct:
I got the complete insurance from Walmart if anything happens I get a new TB. And I pay nothing for the new device.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Chillerman:
Am I the only one who keeps multiple radio files, kernels, roms, backups, etc on my sd card? I mean we have alot of space there. I could return my phone to stock if I had to because it is SAVED! :) Why do we need all new download links?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jaydizzle333:
Goodbye sexy...back to rock solid froyo remix
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
Someone will come around and tell you that you are wrong. It says so on the internet.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jcase:
While it is possible it is not the radio itself, it is certainly directly related to the Gingerbread Leak. Which all of our gingerbread roms are based off of (Except CM).

Because re-flashing the device fails, I believe something not normally written to has been corrupted, and the most likely suspect is the radio causing this.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] idle0095:
so this new file for the radio is that to revert the radio back to froyo and then i download das bamf 1.6.3 and use that? is that what this is? PG05IMG_MR1_upgrade.zip ??
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jcase:
I'm not sure who that insurance carrier is, but some refurb shops (Verizon's) are now checking for signs of root, and are billing for new devices.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] mpfstc:
Thanks for the heads up jcase. I don't know how you Devs deal with the bull**** people post in these threads. All your work is appreciated. Thanks again.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dlongb13:
I would rather spend 89 bucks through asurion than ever have to go into a Walmart.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
Not really sure who you think you are in Best Buy's world but your not get a "New" phone with the Black Tie program, it does not work like that. Try reading how the Black Tie program "Really" works.

The best you can hope for is what they call rapid replace. This works just like Verizon sending you a refurb, and what you get is a refurb not new. And guess what, if they have no rapid replace Thunderbots available at that time you get paperwork and a nice long wait, just like everyone else.

Good luck with your pipe dream on how the Black Tie program works. Hope you never need to use it.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Mrperf3ct:
You make no sense if the world did not exist then you would not have a head for it to be in. Duh
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
I like my world. Why? Because it works. So keep thinking you know the score.

Either way, this thread is about Gingerbread and bricks, so we should probably get back on topic. So, lets drop it.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
Like I said:

Good luck with your pipe dream on how the Black Tie program works. Hope you never need to use it.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] tx3kgtman:
I can vouch for this information. This is actually how it is . Now adrynalyne if maybe you are tight with someone at bestbuy who may do you favors then ok but as far as the average Black Tie Program user goes you will not walk out with a new phone lol. Not trying to come off rude but I tried a week back to use my BB insurance and repair and rapid exchange was the only options. Although when I bought the insurance the bastards told me the thunderbolt qualified for in store exchange. (should have got that in writing :))
[Thunderbolt Android Development] ncdub:
I am wondering if it's not what P3 was talking about a few months back and maybe it's VZW pulling this ****? Rooted users flashing leaked firmware and radios.... Who knows. I'll take others word but damn, this GB das bamf remix is hawt! Thanks JCase.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] montavious:
stuck at work till 9pm, keep checking my phone to make sure its not rebooting so I can go back to froyo...and I just got an email invite for Google Music Beta...as if i didnt have enough to do tonight! Thanks again for the heads up guys!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] DizzyThermal:
I'd like to first thank jcase and everyone helping out to keep us informed on possible dangers with Alpha and Test Leaks out on the web.. They warn us, not tell us what to do.. I appreciate what jcase has to say and if it means 20 minutes to download/flash and keep my phone safe that's what I'll do.. Yeah it's under warranty, but that's fraudulent, immoral, and one of the reasons Carriers want vendors to lock their bootloaders.. You're not helping the community by ignoring the developers warnings, you're just closing off the openness of Android Hardware..

P.S. Does anyone else smirk everytime jcase says "All Gingerbread leaks, (expect CM7)?

<3 CM7 - Daily Driver ;)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jmiller98:
JCase, You can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink.

Xda, JCase put a notice out of a serious problem. Like it or not the choice is yours. If you chose to go against his and other well respected dev's then do at your own peril. As much **** as jcase is getting for putting out this notice, he will probably still help people out even though they fail to follow his advice. Why....because thats the type of guy he is. Wear your big boy pants and quit *****ing at him for helping.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] idle0095:
i dont under stand what this radio is for? if i flash it do i have to reflash a different rom like CM7 or das bamf 1.6.3 remix???
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
You can make it!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] LTE:
Which GB radio is it?

I have two GB radio's here, which one is it that's causing the problem?

ee2a824e51cb148a2256f93e30a3b9f9 PG05IMG.zip

52dd83aa40e30186c9fbefafd1bab534 PG05IMG1.zip

Does anyone know? at least via their MD5SUM?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
People are funny. Just because someone told them it couldn't be done, it must be so. I've heard that so many times, and yet, I've always come out on top.

For you, its a pipe dream. Sorry to hear that.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Jc8206:
I reverted back to froyo because my phone did something today that I've never seen before......

I fell asleep and when I woke up my phone was off, (it was on when I fell asleep)...I tried to wake it and. it wouldn't come on, I hit the power button.......nada.......so I pulled the.battery and booted and it Hung at the bamf gb remix boot screen......for a half an hour.

I booted to hoot and flashed my android, then the froyo radio and all was good after....but damn it had me scared for a bit.... I hope a new leak drops cuz bamf gb remix is completely badass.

T-bolt>>dasBAMF 1.6.3 remix, BAMF 4.4.3 kernel
[Thunderbolt Android Development] idle0095:
ready to flash but no one is answering my question.

i dont under stand what this radio is for? if i flash it do i have to reflash a different rom like CM7 or das bamf 1.6.3 remix???
[Thunderbolt Android Development] DizzyThermal:
ee2a824e51cb148a2256f93e30a3b9f9 == ALPHA Gingerbread 2.01.605.0

[Source]: [RADIO] The Obligatory Thunderbolt Radio Thread

--> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1045081 <--

Not 100% sure on the other one..
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bobtheelf:
It's fraud the same way burning your own house down to collect on your insurance is fraud also.

Insurance doesn't cover intentional damage or destruction.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] ridobe:
<<delete>>
[Thunderbolt Android Development] tx3kgtman:
hmmm thinking... Maybe one of our devs is posting there ROM's with radios that they planted bootloop bombs in? Wonder which one? :D
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jcase:
Maybe you don't exist <insert Twilight zone music here>

Maybe we are in the matrix.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
LOL, I read that as planted boobs, at first. :D
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jcase:
No, in fact it would be illegal for them to remotely brick devices on purpose.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] bp328i:
Ok, my son is the mobile manager at a Best Buy 2 hours from me and that's the best he could even get done.

Good for you if you always come out on top, it must be nice to know everything. I remember a time when I was the same way.

But like you said, lets get back on topic:

Ok on topic, my Thunderbolt bricked while running Das BAMF 2.0.4-1 anyone else?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] LTE:
If someone want's to test the other radio? PM me and I can email it... or provide me a place to post it... ~6MB
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
BAMF caused the bricks. I take full credit.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
There is no 6mb radio.

Methinks you are confused. At best, a radio is about 15mb, and 12 ish compressed. Even then, thats only one of the two radios.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] tx3kgtman:
lol quit refreshing the thread so quick. I thought I changed it really fast haha
[Thunderbolt Android Development] whewstoosae:
Definitely doesn't sound like a full radio. Most all the others are ~20Megs.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jaskru:
Do guns kill people or do people kill people?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] amosavitas:
damn you adrynalyne, damn you to hell for the hundreds of tedious mind numbing hours spent on this release of an alpha build that you whittled down to a fine point while wading through bull**** questions, accusations and demands of the unkempt and ungrateful masses of brain addled half-wits. You're fired dude.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dopediculous:
Totally agree! I felt the same way about your last sentence for a couple hours now. I too am on Gingeritis and the past couple days have had little stupid reboots and stuck splash screen, but thought nothing of it. Pulled batt and everything was fine. I was also curious about kernels... I had flashed Imosyons test 7 and **** was tight son! NO More dumb issues. While being the flash addict I am, I was reading Imosy's huge thread about his diff kernels and how each one worked a lil diff. I liked the features of test .4 so I falshed it, only to realize that, thats what came stock on Gingeritis *hand on face* and thats when my issues started. People a lot smarter than I am about this stuff are pointing fingers at the Radio, but the Kernels that come with our roms might have something to do with it. Most people I would assume are so Awe struck with GB when they first get it, that they just start setting stuff up like apps, screens n what not. However like I said, me wanting to flash everything (even my fluid stick at the elderly) flashed the .7 kernel and had NO issues! in fact, that kernel seemed to be a beast! Due to the severity of this issue and me going on vacation Friday, I did not want to take the chance. Hope others can touch base in relation about kernels. Or maybe I'm just way waaaaay wrong, but any input helps.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dlongb13:
Bricking your phone is not intentional. Man o man. If I install faulty wiring in my house and it burns down then it is up to my insurance whether or not they cover it and since it most likely wouldnt have been of malicious intent, they would cover it.