yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bates_1974:
Happened to me yesterday. Just run usb flasher in magldr, reflash your partition and clockwork and start again
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rauschkugl:
if you would have bricked it your phone would just do nothing.

if you can go into bootloader and even magldr everything is ok and you can make a freash clean install.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] riccio99:
HI, thank you for your reply.

i was able only to reflash ClockworkMod.

i don't know how to reflash the partion if u mean using Recovery_150M i did it and nothing happen :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
So you reflashed the CWM partition and it still can't go into CWM?

And you're sure that when you hold vol down and then boot up the HD2, it doesn't go into the tri color screen?

Only thing I can offer to get a android build running is to flash say Cotulla's stock rom, or any rom that requires you to flash it through a DAF.exe.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] riccio99:
yes... i reflashed CWM and nothing happened...still stocked on go go go! i left it in this way all the night and this morning still on go go go...

yes i'm sure tht when i boot the ophone holding vol down it doesn't go in bootloader :(

i tryed to star an android sd rom and it doesn't start... i think it is a magldr problem... there is a way to reflash magldr?

i tryed but it say rspl/rspl.cpp missing file...

thx to all
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] riccio99:
i also try to install a dft rom ([13.FEB.2011][DFT|CWM]AF403 DesireHD stock base 1.5 [/data ext4onSD][Krn:RAFPIGNA1.7]) but it the same...

now instead of the android robot freezed i have the htc green logo on black desktop :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kingzain:
I think what you could do is:

Hold the volume down key and turn on the phone.

Then when the tricolor screen appears, flash MAGLDR 1.3 again. Then flash a fresh CWM right after that. Then try.

If still nothing, try a hard reset. if CWM manages to load, then wipe data, wipe cache, wipe dalvik. format ur sd. create a new partition. then try flashing ur rom again.

If still nothing, then flash a stock ROM through DAF.exe; like Cotulla's stock rom.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rauschkugl:
he says that he can't get into the bootloader.

this is what sounds weird to me when he is able to boot into magldr and cwm but is not able to start the bootloader.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] roloracer:
If the phone is powering to the point of seeing the MGLDR and or CWM then is not bricked and you're doing something wrong to not see the tricolored screen. Power down, power back up holding the volume button down and when you see the tricolored bootloader, let go of the volume button, now plug in your USB cable and when you see the USB at the bottom of the screen and the pc connects, flash task29, and redo your MGLDR and CWM partition, and flash rom again.

Some people think that you can brick an hd2 while in android, but you can't! The only way to brick the hd2 is flashing the wrong radio, or messing with the windows bootloader, if you ruin an android build, even messing around in the root folders, all you need is good old task29, and start over.

Sent from my HyperDroidCM7 HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] riccio99:
thx to all... i confirm tht i cant go in bootloader...

i think is a problem of hot processor so the hd2 stop working...

i have read it in another post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1081351&highlight=bootloader

i think i m going to put in the frezzer is my last chance :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] riccio99:
nothing to do... also putting the hd2 in the freezer...

i really think nand is gone :(
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] cmorgado:
Can we expect this upgrade ? or will 10.1v be lost in time with 3.01 ?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] smack:
I can not imagine that Vodafone (in Germany) would not update the 10.1v to 3.1. In the past they have usually often upgraded or updated the firmware of the phones that they have sold. It would'nt be a smart move to leave the early adopters behind ...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] DarkAura82:
Well we have a few good modders already with 10.1v so I canonly assume those great guys would be all over converting and 10.1 upgrades. And don't forget Samsung joined the google alliance thingy saying that any hardware that can Support updates will be updated for 18 months.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Viperoz:
Seeing its not carrier locked is this even an issue. Shouldn't we get the download straight from Samsung.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Blou_Aap:
no update yet :'(
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jpalcantara:
3.1 August

3.1 August... Very disappointed!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jpalcantara:
July 14 STILL NO UPDATE FOR THE SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB 10.1V

July 14 STILL NO UPDATE FOR THE SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB 10.1V
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jpalcantara:
3.1 for the 10.1V

July 14 STILL NO UPDATE FOR THE SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB 10.1V
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] skins2win:
I already have 3.1 out of the box. I thought everyone had it but i guess i am the only one?!

How is this possible? I got my tablet the week it came out.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jpalcantara:
3.1 Update

Do you have the WIFI version or 3G ?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jpalcantara:
Do you have the WIFI version or 3G ?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] shok360:
I have a Tab 10.1v, 16GB 3G+WiFi, Vodafone Italy Edition, and I have Android 3.0! I've read that the Update for the 3.1 is comin' out in August, but, where did U have read this news?!!

Thanks!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] skins2win:
I have a wifi 32gb unlocked bootloader
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] T.A Blet:
You don't have a 10.1v version.

The v version was the first tablet loyal Samsung customers bought.

And what did they get in return!

Nothing.

After 2 months still on 3.0.1, not even using my native language.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Citrusbomb:
I got my tablet updated to 3.1 out of the box.

10.1v 16GB 3G + Wifi bought from Telia, Sweden.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] T.A Blet:
:confused:

Really! When did you buy this 10.1v?

TouchWiz on it too?

How is video playback 720p mkv, can you tell something about that.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Citrusbomb:
I bought the tablet about a week ago.

Yeah, TouchWiz on it as far as I know.

The native video player doesnt play mkv any good since it doesnt have the codec but downloading a videoplayer from the market fixes that problem.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] T.A Blet:
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Samsung Updates:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] LionOne:
Sure it's the 10.1v And not the 10.1?

The 10.1v doesn't appear on the samsung sweden site, and on the Telia site they show the picture of the 10.1v, but with the specs of the 10.1 (and refer to the 8.9).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] T.A Blet:
Citrusbomb, can you post your model number.

Settings/about tablet - Model number.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] fanSte:
Or create a screenshot with a screenshot app :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] DannyBiker:
What the real situation for the 10.1v ?

Will Samsung support the device ? Will custom ROMS be hard to develop ?

I must admit that I purchased the device hoping that xda will deliver, as it always did for my devices, but this time..I'm not so sure if it will be possible...:(
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] T.A Blet:
Don't know about other countries but according Samsung "Support" Netherlands, Samsung will not support the 10.1v.

Updates are a Vodafone thing. :mad:
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] twigster:
I'm severely confused. I was under the impression that samsung had washed it's hands of the 10.1v but then I find this article while doing a samsung galaxy tab 10.1v twitter search.

http://techcircle.vccircle.com/500/samsung-launches-galaxy-tab-10-1v-in-its-home-market/?sf1857262=1

Article is posted on 20 july. Says the 10.1v has just been launched on samsungs home turf. Is this for real, and could this mean that we have hope of future support?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] T.A Blet:
I am confused as well now but let's hope so.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] T.A Blet:
They must have got it wrong I am afraid.

They are talking about 16 and 32 GB models and that Indian site talks about the new 10.1 and 8.9 tab. :(
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Urimagination:
Hi all im from Australia. Looking to buy one of these :)

Anyway what version do i want if i want the 3.1

Looking for a WIFI version no need for 3G

Hoping to buy one of the net ASAP!!!

:D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dudleygb:
anyone managed to get updates for the 10.1v as yet?
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theansible:
I'm pretty much having the same issue as:

CM Issue 2851: screen remains blank after call..

..except my phone is the HTC Slide (HTC Espresso), so the fix doesn't work.

Does anyone have a similar fix for this? Basically it seems as though my proximity sensor is malfunctioning.

I've tried wiping and installing CM6.1.1, CM7.0.1, & CM7.0.3. All have the same issue.

Sorry I couldn't post the link to the CM Issue because of the forum's spam protection.

Thanks for any help in advance!
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cidica:
I had this issue awhile back and it lead to other issues as it was a hardwware problem not a rom issue which is wwhat it SEAMS is happening to your phone as well.
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theansible:
But people having the same problem (from CM Issue 2851) were able to fix it with that proximity callibrator app. But the app doesn't work cuz it wasn't made for the Espresso.

Does anyone know of a proximity calibrator for the HTC Espresso (HTC Slide)?
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theansible:
cidica, did you end up replacing your phone because of this problem?
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimczyz:
My sons was doing that, ended up being a faulty ribbon cable, replaced the cable and all has been fine since.
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cidica:
Sorry this is late been kinda busy. Yes i did end up replacing the phone cause of it. I called T-Mobile and talked to one of the reps there and we went through a quick troubleshoot (since i had been troubleshooting it myself the entire day). I even went as far as unrooting the cell and going back stock with the same issues. The rep i talked to just said ok well im sending you a new phone few days later i had my new slide.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pooh4o:
For all you guys that have contacts in cyrillic and in latin I suggest to try "Dialer One" application that will display both latin and cyrillic letters on every key. Such way you can search easily your contacts.

For more information take a look at Android Market or see the link below

http://www.appbrain.com/app/dialer-one/kz.mek.DialerOne
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jorjino2000:
pooh4o (пухчо) thank you very much for this information.

Regards/Поздрави
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pooh4o:
Моля, моля. Ако имаш проблеми после при настройката, не се колебай да ми пишеш :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kamen666:
А има ли и клаиатура на кирилица ?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jorjino2000:
Здравей Камене,

Доколкото знам още няма официална клавиатура за Сенс на български.

Seo е направил пач, но той май важи за неговите ромове - ако греша, поправете ме. А и трябва руут.

Да се надяваме скоро HTC да ни "намерят" на картата на Европа и тогава ще имаме Сенс-клавиатура.

В момента ползвам Bulgarian Keyboard2 и съм много доволен. Пробвай я ако искаш.

Поздрави. :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kiro90:
Good work! Is it possible to have an Cyrillic index in the contacts menu?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigWaxx:
Ненужно по мое мнение, но знам ли.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZeroG1:
I was wondering if the Captivate was able to be used as an old style dial-up modem? More specifically if I can use it to send/receive the occasional fax. I've been able to do this with some of my older phones, but haven't figured out how to on this one. Is there some initializing string that needs to be set or something? Thanks

Zero
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hal.jordan:
I can't recall the address but I recall a service that allowed me to send a FAX from email, removing your need of a FAX modem.

Sent from Planet Oa.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZeroG1:
I've seen those Fax-to-Email services, but I don't really send/receive enough of them. For the time being I'll just mooch off of the one at work.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hal.jordan:
It may have been yahoo, but its been a while. I know I didn't pay for it.

Sent from Planet Oa.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fuzzynco:
I tried to create an image backup and the file stopped at 4gb,

(both for 8gb and 32gb cards). I was able to boot a Linux

OS and use DD to image both cards successfully. Windows

refused to NTFS format a 16gb flash drive, I had to use

Linux to create it ;).

It seemed like the maximum file size win32imager.exe

could create was 4gb, (like it was stuck with fat32

rules :confused:, even though it was outputting to an NTFS

disk).

Thanks
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tubbynj:
EDIT: Sorry, didn't realize you meant you wanted to do an image backup (unless you mean from within CWM, then my post stands).

I just do what I need to do with disk imager, and when I'm done, format within Android to give it the full 16gb back. I've read some threads where CM7 didn't format the SD card correctly and wound up formatting the boot partition instead, so I formatted in my phone instead to be safe.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jll544:
A couple noteworthy bugs...

4GB limit:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+bug/724102

Incorrect device size (potentially truncated images even < 4GB):

https://bugs.launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+bug/786060
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fuzzynco:
Yes exactly my issue

win32imager.exe can't image > 4gb cards.

I guess I'll have to boot to Linux to image

the big cards, unless there is a working

win32 tool?
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azj:
If you have enough space on the card so that you can use EASEUS to reduce the size of the last partition so that 4G or less is used on the card you can then make the image file. I did this to copy a CM7 install to a faster Sandisk card.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrkkk:
how?

I am trying to back up 8gb card

last 4.3 gb are unallocated

dd still fails "file too large"
[Nook Color General] juicymixx:
Hey everyone,

I've been flashing and reflashing my nook color with various roms for a while now. Problem is, my significant other likes to play Alchemy Genetics on my nook color. Every time I flash a new rom it deletes the saved game (wipes /data etc.)... Is there a way I can save the current game (maybe in using ADB commands) before a flash, then restore it after a flash? I'm comfortable with ADB, I just don't know where to look. Also, I'm not worried about saving anything else (in fact I'm okay with updating/redownloading things a-fresh after flashing a new rom!).. Thanks!
[LG Optimus 2x] Edupena:
Is there a way to check if Clockworkmod was installed properly without booting with power+vol down?

I now that it´s necessary to boot holding power+vol down to enter menu but if the installation was wrong the device will automatically enter stock restoration and wipe everything.
[LG Optimus 2x] eniux:
Install rom manager from market.
[LG Optimus 2x] Edupena:
Thanks man! Will try
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
Dark Fire Blue 4.4.1

Dark Fire Blue 4.4.1 Changelog:

-Fixed browser fc issue

Dark Fire Blue 4.4 Changelog:

-Full support for Mosaic VI

-Updated dropbox to v1.2.3

-Fixed themed market not installing

-Fixed bootanimation not installing

-Fixed launcher pro for "plus" market app not enabling widgets/themes

Dark Fire Blue 4.3 Changelog:

-Updated to support Mosaic V

-New settings.apk for lockscreen wallpaper

-Various framework/icon tweaks

-New blue glass swype keyboard

-Updated dropbox to v1.2.1

Dark Fire Blue 4.2.1 Changelog:

-Fixed battery indicator disappearing when battery level is above 80% while charging

Dark Fire Blue 4.2 Changelog:

-New Blue Chrome Icons preinstalled

-Blue chrome icon pack added. Flashes to internal SD card.

-Updated Dropbox to 1.1.3

Features:

Known Issue: Minor Black on Black text problems, mostly with 3rd party apps. I've fixed it in all the system apps.

-New Boot Animation

-Blue Status Bar Clock and Progress Bar

-Themed Swype and Gingerbread keyboards

-Themed Android Launcher

-Themed Touchwiz30Launcher

-Themed Launcher Pro

-Themed Launcher Pro Widgets (Launcher Pro Plus Only)

-Themed Market

-Themed Calculator

-Themed Gmail, Email, and MMS

-Themed Dialer, Contacts, and Phone

-Themed Settings

- Themed Extended Power Menu

-Themed Analogue Clock, Google Search, and Power Control Widgets

-Tons of wallpapers in the Tw Wallpaper Chooser

-5 lock screen mod (all themed)

-Tweaked Dropbox (fixes a black on black text issue in the notification dropdown)

Screenshots:

Alternate Notification Backgrounds: (These are only add-ons for my Dark Fire Theme. Flash the complete theme first)

If you like my work, please hit the "Thanks" button and/or consider donating.

Mosaic V/VI Downloads:

Dark Fire Blue 4.4.1

Alternate Bottom Bar Notification Add-On

Empty Notification Background Add-On

Alternate Bottom Bar and Empty Notification Background Add-On

Mosaic IV Downloads:

Dark Fire Blue 4.2.1

Alternate Bottom Bar Notification Add-On

Empty Notification Background Add-On

Alternate Bottom Bar and Empty Notification Background Add-On

Overscroll Bounce Revert

Mosaic III Downloads:

Dark Fire Blue 4.2.1

Dark Fire Blue 4.1

Dark Fire Blue Revert: Thanks robm1911!

Alternate Bottom Bar Notification Add-On

Empty Notification Background Add-On

Alternate Bottom Bar and Empty Notification Background Add-On
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
Dark Fire 6.0

Dark Fire 6.0 Changelog:

-Initial Release

Features:

Known Issue: Minor Black on Black text problems, mostly with 3rd party apps. I've fixed it in all the system apps.

-Animated Notification Background New!

-New Boot Animation

-Blue Status Bar Clock and Progress Bar

-Themed Swype and Gingerbread keyboards

-Themed Android Launcher

-Themed Touchwiz30Launcher

-Themed Launcher Pro

-Themed Launcher Pro Widgets (Launcher Pro Plus Only)

-Themed Market

-Themed Calculator

-Themed Gmail, Email, and MMS

-Themed Dialer, Contacts, and Phone

-Themed Settings

- Themed Extended Power Menu

-Themed Analogue Clock, Google Search, and Power Control Widgets

-Tons of wallpapers in the Tw Wallpaper Chooser

-5 lock screen mod (all themed)

-Tweaked Dropbox (fixes a black on black text issue in the notification dropdown)

Screenshots:

Alternate Notification Backgrounds: (These are only add-ons for my Dark Fire Theme. Flash the complete theme first)

If you like my work, please press the "Thanks" button and/or consider donating.

Mosaic VI Downloads:

Dark Fire 6.0

Empty Drop-Down Notification Background Add-on (Not Animated)

Skull Drop-Down Notification Background Add-on (Not Animated)
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
Gilded Hammr 1.4.1

Special thanks to BWolf56 for pitching me the idea to do a black and gold theme.

Gilded Hammr 1.4.1 Changelog:

-Fixed browser fc issue

Gilded Hammr 1.4 Changelog:

-Full support for Mosaic VI

-Updated dropbox to v1.2.3

-Fixed themed market not installing

-Fixed bootanimation not installing

Gilded Hammr 1.3 Changelog:

-Changed a few .pngs in the framework and other sytem apps

-Added glowing border to pop-up windows

-New Phone Dialer layout (updated screenshot as well)

-Changed blue subtext to gold in Dialer

-Added gold border to power control widget

Gilded Hammr 1.2 Changelog:

-Updated Settings.apk for Mosaic V

-Fixed alternte Lockscreen Wallpaper not sticking

-New Gold Glass Swype Keyboard (Original Gold Glow Swype has been added as an Add-On Mod)

-Updated Dropbox to v1.2.1

Gilded Hammr 1.1 Changelog:

-New unknown contacts picture

-Tweaked numerous icons and .pngs throughout the system apps and framework

-Updated themed Dropbox to 1.1.4 (most recent version as of 7/11/11)

-Changed data signal icons

-Tweaked Google Search Widget

-Switched to Black Themed Market

-Added additional icons to Gold Chrome Icon pack (installs to sd when flashing theme)

-Added force install wallpaper script for first flash

Gilded Hammr 1.0 Changelog:

-Initial beta release.

Known Issue: Minor Black on Black text problems, mostly with 3rd party apps. I've fixed it in all the system apps.

-New Boot Animation

-Gold Status Bar Clock and Progress Bar

-Themed Swype and Gingerbread keyboards

-Themed Touchwiz30Launcher

-Themed Launcher Pro

-Themed Market

-Themed Calculator

-Themed Gmail, Email, and MMS

-Themed Dialer, Contacts, and Phone

-Themed Settings

- Themed Extended Power Menu

-Themed Analogue Clock, Google Search, and Power Control Widgets

-Tons of wallpapers in the Tw Wallpaper Chooser

-5 lock screen mod (all themed)

-Tweaked Dropbox (fixes a black on black text issue in the notification dropdown)

Screenshots:

Alternate Notification Backgrounds: (These are only add-ons for my Gilded Hammr Theme. Flash the complete theme first)

Alternate Gold Glass and Gold Glow Swype Keyboards:

If you like my work, please hit the "Thanks" button and/or consider donating.

Mosaic V/VI Downloads:

Gilded Hammr 1.4.1

Empty Notification Drop-Down Add-on

Silver "Off" Notification Drop-Down Buttons Add-on

Empty Drop-Down and Silver Buttons Add-on

Gold Glass Swype Keyboard

Gold Glow Swype Keyboard
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
Dark Fire Battery Mods

Coming Soon!
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
Additional Content

Dark Fire Chrome Icons (Credit to sv0911 for the original template)

THESE FILES ARE

NOT

CLOCKWORK MOD FLASHABLE!!!!!

To install these icons, you need to use a launcher that supports custom icons (launcher pro, adw) or use an app that allows for the use of custom icons (desktop visualizer, folder organized, ect.)

Dark Fire Blue Chrome Icons

Download DFB Chrome Icons

Dark Fire Chrome Icons

Download DF Chrome Icons

Gilded Hammr Chrome Icons

Download Gilded Hammr Chrome Icons

Green Chrome Icons

Download Green Chrome Icons

Ginger Chrome Icons

Download Ginger Chrome Icons
[Captivate Themes and Apps] NunHugger:
Great work Hammer. I am sure there will be quite a few happy campers.

sent using a phone.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
Thanks Nun! There were so many delays with this build, its just good to be back in buisness. :D
[Captivate Themes and Apps] eep2378:
Nice to see Dark fire alive and well on Mosaic!! Great work 10ton :)

I'm currently running launcer pro plus, flashing theme will not revert me back to TW, right?
[Captivate Themes and Apps] eep2378:
Notices a minor issue in BW when trying to change clock/weather skins, pop menu cannot be seen(blacked out). Otherwise it looks great, thanks!
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
That's correct. Themed launcher pro is in the theme. Launcher pro plus themed widgets as well, as long as you have paid for an unlock code.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] 10tonhammr:
Yea, the black on black in 3rd party apps is a known issue. Its collateral damage for doing a black based theme.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] Barbarian:
Excellent work, 10ton. Glad I could help with testing.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] eep2378:
I have paid version of LPP but the themed version is not the latest? Also I never got an unlock code when I paid for it. If you look at LPP details/info in market it states themed/modified versions are not supported. ??