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[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] yosif yackson:
Hey guys this is definitely a noob question and I hope I'm asking this in the right place, but I rooted my phone (super one click ) even overclocked to 1.25ghz, but what does that mean I know it's supposed to make the phone faster but what else? Sorry about my ignorance any insight would be appreciated.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] rickyc19:
Makes your phone faster, better performance on games and drains battery. I recomend you to at the most overclock it to 1.10 but you should get the bali voodoo kernel by drhonk and you wont need to overclock it.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] yosif yackson:
Ok, but I'm not really sure how to flash kernels or custom roms is there a tutorial or guide here I could go over ultra noob here
[Networking] okachowwa:
So I'm on a 3g android smartphone with AT&T right now and if i got a 4g off contract would i have to pay for the 4g service which is really expensive or could i just stay on my good Ole 3g service i am currently using?
[Networking] CMDeWalt:
I think you can keep your current plan, but don't hold me to that. It may have changed since I've asked about it.

Source

This is the latest thing I've found regarding you question. I asked a little while after that. xD
[Networking] bdpyo:
Since when did they start offering a 4g plan?
[Networking] agentJBM:
I know with my AT&T Sony Ericsson Xperia X10a that when I unbranded and updated to 2.1, my mobile data automatically increased from 3G to "H" or HSPA which is like 3.5G without any rate changes.

I am guessing with AT&T that 4G will be more money, so I am happy with HSPA at 3G rates. Especially since the competition is limiting the speeds of their unlimited data plans.
[Networking] SuperDeform:
i thnk the 4g prices will be the same as 3g then 3g prices will drop down.
[Networking] Skv012a:
But will using "4G" route you through a different WAP? If not and it's all a matter of wording and phrasing, I say root/rom and use unlimited data as if you were on a non-smartphone. They don't have to know, you don't have to throw your $ away.
[Networking] agentJBM:
The fact is that with AT&T data is measured in MB or GB, not speed or time. Regardless of how fast or slow you download or use data, it is metered.

However, I do agree that it could be as easy as changing your settings to access 4G, but it won't save you any money.
[Networking] jonandkym:
AT&T's "4G" technology is technically 3G according to the standards committee that oversees these technologies. However, when AT&T starts deploying real 4G, LTE, the prices have a good chance of changing. For now, "4G" plans cost the same as any other.
[Networking] agentJBM:
Exactly, it is based on volume of data used, not on speed of use.
[Networking] wcdolphin:
I personally plan to switch to verizon once they allow data roll over and family-plan sharing.
[Networking] agentJBM:
Verizon also limits data speeds on unlimited plans. Either way you are going to pay for data in time or money.
[Networking] jessehclark:
I have a very similar question. Hopefully someone can shed some light.

HERES WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW:

I am currently using a Rogers HTC Dream, unlocked rooted and running Gingeryoshi on AT&T. On my line, "Line A," I have the $10 unlimited dumbphone data plan and AT&T thinks I have a Samsung A737 (ancient slider phone). When I bought the phone on ebay, I just put in the APN settings and off I went.

Thanks to a contract renewal discount on "Line B" on my account, whose user does not need a new phone, I recently purchased an HTC Inspire 4G.

HERE IS THE QUESTION:

When I receive the phone, AT&T told me that I can use it on Line A, even though it was purchased through Line B. However, they said I need to call in to activate it. They said that until I do the upgrade will be listed as "incomplete" on their end. Further, they said that I will have to bump up to at least the $15 200MB data plan.

I told them I just want to sell the phone and not use it. They told me I still have to call and activate it, but that I can then "remove" it from the account and "reactivate" my dumbphone, at which point I will be reverted to the $10 a month dumbphone plan.

The $1,000,000 question: when I receive the new AT&T branded HTC Inspire, can I just pop my existing sim that I'm using in my Rogers Dream into the Inspire, and use it without calling to activate?

**to be clear, I'm not talking about bypassing the Android activation screen. Seeing as how there was no "activation" process for my Rogers Dream, I'm unfamiliar with the process as to AT&T branded phones. So, I guess the questions is if it is any different. I am comfortable rooting and roming, so if either of those processes will get me an Inspire working with my $10 data plan I'm ready to pull the trigger.

ALSO: THANK YOU XDA FORUMS. I think this is my first real post here, but I have browsed the forums for hours and you all helped me along from tethering my A737 to rooting my first T-Mobile G1, to installing roms and the DangerSPL on my Rogers Dream, so hopefully you can help me with this!
[Networking] caffeinated chris:
Ok, I work for AT&T and saw this thread and thought maybe I'd help clear some of this stuff up.

First, the 3G and the 4G plans are pretty much the same thing. You should be good using a 4g phone off contract. they are labeled different in my system at AT&T but I believe them to be the same plan because AT&T does not have a full 4G plan yet. But to be safe you can switch because the 4G plan smartphone plan costs the same as the 3G smartphone plan.

Unless you are saying you have a 3G "QMD" (Quick Messaging Device), or in lamest terms, a Non-Smartphone or "DumbPhone" haha. And that leads me to my next point. Pay attention here haha. As far as I've seen, if you have an ATT phone, the system will automatically detect if you've switched phones. Like if you went from a QMD to a ATT Smartphone, the system will auto-detect that you have a smartphone and will switch your data plan and notify you of it.

BUT, from what I've seen a few times, if you get a NON ATT Smartphone, the system doesnt seem to recognize you have a smartphone because it doesnt recognize the IMEI as a smartphone but instead as a Third-Party Device. Therefore it doesnt change your plan.

Now this does not happen to ALL non-ATT smarphones. Like my buddy who went from a QMD to an unlocked Tmo HD2 on his ATT plan. the system some how recognized his phone as a smartphone and switched him. He might have one of the phones that ATT has been able to recognize I guess.

As for getting the Inspire 4G and not activating it but using it on your other line, I would have to say that is a bad idea. If you dont activate it then after 30 days that additional line is cancelled and removed off your acct and ATT will then request the phone back. and if you dont return it, then ATT will charge the price of the phone to your acct. So no, dont do that.

As far as I know, the best way to go about getting a smartphone and not be forced to change your plan from the $10 QMD unlimited data plan to the smartphone plans is to get a non-ATT smartphone and hope they cannot recognize it as a smartphone.

My guess would be if you use 2 gb of data on that though, ATT might start asking questions as to why you are using 2gb of data on a non-smartphone though, haha. so be careful.

wrote a book but atleast I cleared some stuff up for you guys ;):D
[Networking] jessehclark:
thanks for the input chris-

you got at something that i had been wondering, mainly, whats the difference (in terms of detecting whether i have a smart phone) between my G1 or my Dream and the Inspire I just ordered. Is it that AT&T has the IMEI? I thought carriers could detect the IMEI of my Dream and discover that it was a smartphone, but they haven't...

As for the data, what's funny is that I've been using the Dream on that line with the $10 plan for 2 years, averaging 1 to 3 GB of data a month. I even had the rep pull up my account and, in the same conversation, verify that I had an A737 dumbphone (its just easier to say) and that I was using over 2GB of data. =) hahah

so, I guess I will need to activate the phone, tell them im selling it and using a razr, give them the razr imei (i have an old one) then switch the sim to the inspire and hope they dont catch it.

i wonder if anyone has tried this (maybe using an AT&T phone that they purchased on craigslist or ebay on AT&T) and how it went for them.

I guess this is sort of the even cheaper form of the UNLIM DATA 4 EVERYONE iPhone 2G trick!

PS chris I lold when you said you worked for AT&T but your info shows you're a Tmo customer. =) Maybe soon they'll be one in the same...
[Networking] caffeinated chris:
Glad I could help :D

But again I would strongly advise not actually using the Inspire because even if you give them the imei of a Moto Razr, if you put that sim in the Inspire, since it's an AT&T phone, They will probably recognize it automatically and sign you up on the smartphone data plan. The only way that I know of to get around it is to use a NON-ATT smartphone, therefore they dont know what the phone is.

Know what I mean?

and as for this..

Yea, I love being a customer with Tmo. And I swear I'll be so mad if this merger goes thru :mad:
[Networking] jessehclark:
thanks again chris!

everyone's responses are always appreciated. thought i'd give you all a quick update:

today my inspire arrived. I called the automated activation line, entered some billing info, and accepted the terms and conditions. i did not use the new sim card sent to me at any point.

i called ATT&T just to be safe and confirm, which they did, that i had completed activation properly. my line wouldnt be canceled because i didnt put the new sim in the new phone, and i would not be charged the retail price of the inspire even though it was not registered on the line i used to order it. i told them simply that i wanted to sell the inspire, and they assured me it would work without further AT&T involvement if i put in a compatible sim card. seems like they are most concerned about 1) getting you to accept the contract in exchange for the phone and 2) getting you on a **&%*!@ data plan if they catch wind of you using a smartphone.

they also confirmed that NO data charges had been added to the line i used to order the upgrade, and that the 2 year contract was in effect. score.

inspire is charging, ill let you all know how it goes when i turn it on and put in my OLD AT&T sim (on the line with the $10 dumbphone plan). According to chris im rolling the dice here, so OPTIMALLY it will turn on, connect to sweet sweet 4G data, and AT&T will keep thinking I have a dumbphone. if so, chalk one up for shiftiness.
[Networking] aymericHTC:
yes is it man
[Networking] Egrier:
I have an unlocked Tmo HD2 on AT&T rooted to NexusHD Gingerbread. They think I'm still using a dumb phone. My data rate did not change. ;)
[Networking] SystemErrorOne:
AT&T PayBack

(Someone) should open a new thread on the whole various factors of unlocking non att phones or actual att smartphones but being able to trick att into thinking were using a crappy dumb phone haha (;

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[Networking] AzizOnDeck:
I second that notion above me!

I'm thinking about switching to the Nexus One that works with the ATT 850 and 1900 bands but, after reading all these stories of people getting switched over to the $30 smartphone data plan I'm contemplating whether I should or not. It seems as though ATT is starting to recognizing and crackdown on more and more non-att smartphone imeis and switching them to the "appropriate" smartphone data plan.

Is there a list of phones that are still unrecognized by ATTs database?
[Networking] styndall:
I was using a Motorola Milestone for over a year without AT&T knowing and I was able keep my unlimited media net data plan. 24 hours after popping my SIM card into my new Nexus One, AT&T busted me and now I'm stuck with the crappy limited $30 plan. Boo.

There's a list of phones that are under AT&T's radar over on Howard Forums in the AT&T section along with a TON of unhappy people who got their data plans changed...
[Networking] souperman7340:
Call in switch back to your old phone and the data plan can be changed back as well! Been there done that!
[Networking] linkismyhero:
Worth mentioning, if you're currently on a grandfathered 3G Smartphone Unlimited data plan, it can be transferred to any of their HSPA 4G phones without an issue.
[Networking] styndall:
No way, seriously? I talked to a rep over their chat service and they said once I lose it, I can never get it back. I don't know that I would ever want to go back to my Milestone...so slow...and it's EDGE only thru AT&T.

What do I say to them if I call and try that? I've thought about telling them that I've been using a smartphone since 2006 and that they can check the IMEI numbers my SIM cards have been sending them can prove it...And the fact that they just noticed now isn't my problem and I should be able to keep my data plan. :p But I don't know that saying that would get me anywhere...
[Networking] souperman7340:
Just call in and tell them that you lost the data phone and you need to go back to an old phone, give them the imei of a phone that is not a smartphone and then they should be able to change the plan back to the old one for ya!
[Networking] caffeinated chris:
you mean switch to just the non-smartphone data plan right?

Because if you mean the unlimited smartphone data plan, I just want to say that once you switch from that unlimited smartphone data plan that was $30 you cant switch back to it.
[Networking] souperman7340:
Once they change the imei to a non-smartphone device the $10/mo package should available again!
[Networking] caffeinated chris:
true. But hopefully you dont have a phone that they recognize as a smartphone, or they'll change it right back haha
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
i had notice there is alot similar post to this problem but none really solved it. so i start this thread to make it more specific

1) once connected to pc, my wildfire automatically charge

2) no pop-up or option on the top to slide down to select either htc sync, mount as sd card, etc

3) tried reboot, mount unmount card, untick usd debugging, changed other rom, but still not working.

4) if connected to pc still automatically charging even if i change "default connection type" to disk drive, or usb tethering

5) i tick "ask me" so i can choose the connection type when connect to pc, but when connected to pc, nothing. just charging.

i'm rooted, using hg hybrid v3 (problem was there before i flash HG rom). it used to work before. i dont recalled when was the last time it start to behave like this. all this time i thought i set the connection default to charging, but when i want to transfer songs, only then i realised this problem. i m not sure which custom rom might cause this problem (if it does) because i had flash more than 10 roms:P
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xynok:
i have same problem with cm7
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
I haven't try to format my sd card. because when I connect without sd card, still no connect option. if my card is malfunction/the main problem, then my phone should work fine n show the connect option after I remove the card, right? (I do have connection option on the setting. what I meant no connection option is the pop up conection menu+connection option on the top bar. changing the connection on the setting change nothing)
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lokeshramesh:
I too have this prob but never questioned this as i never use htc sync. But if u really wanna use it try this i'm not sure it may work or not but mostly its due to driver problem:

1.Connect your device in htc sync mode.

2.Uninstall or Remove all drivers of htc and also htc sync.

3.Disconnect your device and Restart your pc.

4.Reinstall htc sync and connect your device in htc sync mode.

5.It'll install fresh drivers for your device and if asked to restart then do it else run htc sync.

If you are running vista or later try to run htc sync in administrator mode.

I'm not sure this method work but there's no problem on trying it. Reply your result after doin above steps:)
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
I also think the problem might related to my driver but I remember that when I first connect to my pc, there will be pop up menu, and my phone automatically recognized as "disk drive" (I m not install HTC driver yet. infact ,I install the driver after my phone connected to my pc through disk drive connection since the driver located on the SD card). nway, I"ll try your method and post the result later.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
I just notice this might not work..the problem is I cannot change the connection. even if I did, it doesn't change the connection. it just charging.. as if I put it on default "charging" as it connect. but I will try later anyway
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xynok:
When i connect my phone the debugging icon shows up and my pc makes the noise but doesnt let me choose mass storage (running cm7). it shows up on my pc on drive f: but when i click it just says please insert a disc into removable storage F:
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
xynok, did u tried untick the usb debugging? go to setting, application, development, untick usb debugging. u still lucky at least it prompt u something if u connect to pc, mine nothing. its like I plug it to the socket wall not pc
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xynok:
yeah i tried that :(
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
not working..
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bx19:
try this if u r using sense roms . Also try this for AOSP roms, if there is an option(i dont know about AOSP).

Go to Settings/Applications/Manage applications/All/

Then search for "Connect to PC". Actually in stock roms that was an app by htc. But there must be something similar to that in AOSP roms. Then open that and select, "Force stop" , "Clear data", "Clear cache".

I dont know for sure if that solves the issue or not. But have a try.

And by seeing this thread, actually i got a doubt, "can we synchronise the htc sync in AOSP custom roms". Since AOSP is nothing but removing the HTC crap. Can someone confirm this .......
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
nope. still nothing. anyway since it had this problem, I had wipe my wildfire few times, n try different rom.. maybe it is because of faulty cable. but if the cable is the culprit, why it still charging? is it possible the cable is broken but still can charging?
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bx19:
Not telling that it should be, but definitely there is a possibility of a cable culprit.

The USB male/female end has 4 connections in which two connections are used for voltage and the remaining two connections are used for data transfer.

There might be a possibility that the data connection got broken with voltage connection retaining. Try with another cable (any USB v2 cable).

And one more thing, for having the disk drive option, nothing need to be installed in the pc. U need to install htc driver in the pc only if u want to use usb debugging , usb tethering.

[But at the wildfire end the cable has 5 connections and i dont know what the 5th one is for. mostly it will be a NO CONNECTION]
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bx19:
Now i got another idea to diagnose ur issue.

Well do u know of application "pdanet". It uses USB DEBUGGING feature to tether ur phone internet to PC. Actually usb debugging can be used both under charge mode and disk drive mode. What u can know on doing this is whether usb debugging through ur phone is working or not. U can diagnose the thing while checking with every app that uses usb debugging. So try it. Enable the usb debugging in phone first.

---Install pdanet desktop version and follow the setup instructions. It asks to connect ur phone during setup to install usb driver and also pdanet.apk to mobile. Connect ur phone with usb debugging enabled. I doubt whether desktop version installs or not because of ur issue. Mostly desktop version of pdanet will not install without a phone connected having usb debugging enabled. And if the desktop version is installed successfully, that means ur phone usb debugging is working. And if desktop version is installed successfully, that means it also installed the mobile version of pdanet.apk to ur phone (which says that data transfer is working). Then open the pdanet on phone and enable usb tether. Then open pdanet from desktop and connect. Then see whether u r able to access internet from pc.

---One more method is try to use ADB from android sdk. It also uses the usb debugging feature.

If adb and pdanet works, that means usb debugging feature on ur phone is working. If it is so, then it is mostly not a cable problem (as far as i know). And if they dont work there is a chance that it is a cable problem.

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And one more thing. If u have used a stock rom (freshly formatted), and faced the issue, then it is mostly not a software problem. Then it might be cable problem or some kind of problem in ur phone. Also check ur phone radio version. Thats all.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
bharatgaddameedi, i cant install pdanet. it say android phone not detected. error =103. i think u were right. its hardware related problem but its look like not the cable. most probably its my wildfire usb jack. i test the cable with other mobile, its working (test it on nokia 5800). before i had this problem, sometime i use htc cable to transfer data for my 5800, and some time i used 5800 cable to transfer data for my wildfire. the difference between the two cable pin might damage my wildfire usb jack.. (u said htc cable got 5 pin, so i asume nokia got 4?)
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bx19:
So, pdanet not detecting the phone means usb debugging is also not working under charge mode. That should be phone hardware related problem like u have said about usb jack.

And No. All the micro USB version 2 cables will be the same. Its same for 5800 and wildfire. I use my previous 5233 cable to my wildfire even now.

The usb jack of wildfire may damage if u have used it in an improper way. Something like pressure on the cable when connected and so on...

So, its not something we can solve here. That should be given to service centre as far as i know
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 3xeno:
Can't be. I am using my N82's data cable for data transfers on my Wildfire from Day 1. The provided data cable is pretty much permanently attached to the wall charger.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anakhanjing:
I accept the fact that it might be hardware problem but there is one more thing I want to try. how about flashing stock rom from pc? flashing 2.1 is ok since it can be rooted again. I had flash stock rom but from the clockwork mod, not from pc, and the hboot is been remove for save flashing. I never try this before because all this time I thought that the problem was cause by custom rom, so I just need to find the right custom Rom.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bx19:
How can u flash a stock Rom from pc when the usb is not functioning. RUU will not work.

Things get worse when basic things stop functioning.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 3xeno:
Did you try mounting your SD Card via Recovery? Reboot into Recovery > Advanced > Mount SDCard