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[HTC Sensation] Barff1984:
I'm not worried about SG2 owners laughing about the locked bootloader at all...

The crackers and hackers that get into phones like this WILL do it....because it's a challenge...I'd say there's about 2 months worth of work to do it in...after that, another flagship phone will come into play and they'll move to that.

The reason the previous HTC's (like the wildfire s) didn't get cracked was because there's not much that could've been done to it once it had. It was still the same old processor in a smaller shell.

This is a dual core beast! This has potential to beat the SG2 once cracked and overclocked and those people that like to sit in their rooms all day and understand how things work want to be able to say 'I was the one that cracked the Sensation and OC'd it to 2ghz.

Seriously...this Locked boot loader i think is nothing to worry about...as long as its done within 1-2 months...after that...i think they;ll lose interest...however i'm sure they're try their damned hardest to get it done before that!

HTC has a strong following within the developing community and i don't think a locked bootloader is going to stop a lot of people trying.

Just my opinion anyway :)
[HTC Sensation] :
I agree with your comment here. Review has to be a "review". The slashgear review was rather a comparison between 2 devices. It's okay if you compare a few points (not more than 1/2 times in the review of another product), but not like the way they did it. Also, it's just too short and not detailed enough. I personally prefer Anandtech/Gsmarena. They take their time before releasing their reviews.
[HTC Sensation] solsearch:
Yes and no. You have to remember that despite these phones becoming more technologically capable and able to do amazing things, they're still aimed at the masses. I personally want a phone that works well/great out of the box. If I can I can improve it by modding, kewl, if not it still works well. I am also a bit leery of modding as two phones ago one died due to a power outage mid-flash. Screwed up the flash memory on the phone and couldn't be fixed. I know this is not common but it happened so I'm wary, what can I say.

But I also agree with you that I should be able to do whatever I want with my device. But my mentality here is more along the lines of "don't you dare sue me for hacking the phone and installing a different ROM/apps/etc. as long as I'm not infringing copyrighted material". The locked bootloader seems more (to me at least) a way to prevent all those who messed up from going to them and crying foul, demanding their warranty cover a "malfunction" when it's really a botched flash. I like the new method (by Sony I think) where you have to petition the unlock code for the bootloader. This way if you screw up and try to make them pay for the repairs they can show you that they know you flashed and its your fault, thereby making you responsible for the consequences to your actions.

That's why (as others said), I eagerly await the GSMArena one. They go into great detail and tend to focus just on the device. At the very end they compare it to others so you know how it stacks up as well as knowing how it fares on its own.

But to be fair the Slashgear one wasn't bad and let's face it, they got it out the door quick as hell. And after watching Samjpullen's it seemed slightly better and not as focused on the SII comparison (no offense Sam if you read this). It also gives people a somewhat better idea of what to expect of the phone and helps tide those over who need a more detailed one ;)
[HTC Sensation] viniturb0:
Got rid of S2 for Sensation

I owned an s2 and tested it, it has major flaws, it cant be used for business, 1. the email client sucks and 2 the smart dial is the worst one ever. the hardware is nice and the back scratches so easily.

the emails arrived as and when also u have to refresh them individually, the widget does not scroll like the sense ui email widget, its an inconvenience

the smart dial shows only 1 number for the contact its not an easy phone at all

the Touch UI ****ed up a good phone.

Even the wildfire will win against the S2

What are you going to do with the speed of the s2 when basic things dont work

u cant drive an f1 car if it doesnt have the wheels to support the speed

Therefore s2 is and EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
So did you return it and get the Sensation?
[HTC Sensation] intruda119:
Its funny because I use my phone for business everyday. You list 2 things thats easily fixable with either mods or other apps. You can set emails from 5min/10min/30min/hour/every4/once a day in the email app.

For the smart dailing, it shows the the first number saved.

If you want to select another number under same contact, theres a tab next to name showing and once clicked shows the reminder of numbers under that contact and also similar numbers like auto correct. lol theres a learning curve but sounds more like user error.

All in all we all have opinions/options and thats the great thing about android. My biggest problem with recent htc devices besides the g.o.a.t called HD2 is the audio quality. Ive turned into an audio-head recently and that has become an important feature. Added bonus is it seems tegra 2 only games have been easily patched for sgs2.

Hopefully you all pick the device that makes you happy. Both phones will probably be outdated by fall/winter.

If you look at picture I attached below you see the number 1 on the right side. If theres more than 1 number to a contact there will be a higher number. Example when dailing my fiance number it will show the #3, her cell will show first(1st in contact) her work number and our google voice number. all you have to do is dial the first few number and options show up.

It starts as a filter and gets specific the more you type.
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
A.......I currently use the phone for business

B.......Its email client is one of the best. Certainly as good if not better than sense of my desire HD.

C.......You don't have to refresh them individually....There is an option called all in box. I have 6 email accounts, I use the all inbox specifically for this reason. Exactly the same process i used in Sense.

D.......I agree with smart dial. only the default number can be used. Hopefully Samsung rectify s this.

Everything works perfectly for me....... if they are the best reasons you can come up with then the phone isn't the failure..... its you.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Think people should learn how to use an android phone before posting complaints...
[HTC Sensation] ijat91:
And I think you are not worth to use such expensive phone and all the problems you mention basically is easy to fix but you are ignorant to see it. It is better for you stay with wildfire, nuff said...
[HTC Sensation] ko0l:
Plenty of market alternatives which are arguably better than htc ones.

Dialer:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.jbapps.contact&feature=search_result

https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&feature=search_result

Email:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.fsck.k9&feature=search_result

These are what I use on my nexus one.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daveqsang:
Hi guys so I'm trying to unlock my bootloader and I cant get my phone's serial number to show up in ADB devices. When windows tries to install the driver when i plug my phone in it always says failed.

And to add to the problem, my SDK Manager is not working after trying to reinstall the JDK. Says I have to fix the PATH variable, which i did, but i still get that error.

I've tried a lot of different solutions, but the driver still isnt working.

So any help guys? Im on win7 home premium 64-bit with an unrooted Nexus S running stock on 2.3.2

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[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corei7qm:
Hey guys,

Can anyone please explain what is data2sd and how to ????????
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CMoney87:
Data2SD essentially runs your ROM from your SD card and gives you higher quadrant scores but actually slows down your phone especially if you have a lower class card. I wouldn't use it if I were you, I have a class 10 card and I see no advantage in using it except higher benchmarks which are mostly meaningless.

Sent From My *Super Fly X10*

If I (or anyone for that matter!) help you, dont be afraid to press THANKS!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] echomac:
I agree with CMoney87 , I also have a Class 10 card (16GB) & Data2SD installed. My X10 are so much slower now, I actually need to wait for a sec or 2 after pressing buttons :-(

I have tried it for a week now and no inprovement and I have also tweaked the phone as much as I can but still laggy!.

I will go back to APPS2SD a.s.a.p.
[EVO 4G General] mjs1231:
Hello.

I am interested in a highly secure Rom for the evo. I would like it to be free of Google or anyother corporately monitored system. real opensource experience free of all this monitoring and tracking and data minning. Maybe with a nice user friendly firewall for all connections. how about built in 512 bit encryption. For private txt messaging.

Let's hear from the community on this.
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
I may be wrong but... Evo is an Android phone... Android = Google. I don't think you'll have much luck getting a Google free Android phone.
[EVO 4G General] knowledge561:
You know these are google/android forums right? I don't think it will be possible at all....
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
Do you want an aluminum foil hat with that ROM?
[EVO 4G General] davidc23:
Dude that will never happen. Thats all i have to say
[EVO 4G General] jvward:
Umm don't listen to anyone who previously posted. You could easily use CyanogenMod with out Google apps to do this. You would be missing the market and any standard app that has the word Google before it like Google maps, but I guess now you could use the Amazon market anyway.
[EVO 4G General] u921333:
Actually i had a Samsung intercept that originally had Google android rom and ended up with a non-google phone in the end...... Accidentally flashed a radio from differnet phone and after no signs of Google ..... Or signs of really anything but made a great paper weight!
[EVO 4G General] davidc23:
i dont think you understand what he means... im not a troll . but he said he doesnt want it to have google ,also for it to keep everything private... also look at my new signature LMFAO
[EVO 4G General] davidc23:
sorry quoted wrong guy but yeah if he is lucky and doesnt brick.
[EVO 4G General] kobe4rings:
how would this be possible ? dont you need a google account to even use the phone ? could probably be wrong.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
You think wrong.

You think wrong too.

Will it match your dunce cap?

You are giving wrong info, that's all I have to say.

Finally someone smart in this thread.

Any ASOP ROM which doesn't include GAPPS like cyanogyn mod or deck's ASOP rom will do this (minus the sms encryption) as long as you don't flash the GAPPS add ons or enable my location.

I really hate when people act like experts, but don't know what their talking about.
[EVO 4G General] datajosh:
I don't think you're going to find this for the EVO, although I imagine there's a phone out there somewhere that you can accomplish this with.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Wrong again, check my post immediately above yours.
[EVO 4G General] bwcorvus:
When you say free of google what do u mean?? Evo runs android, android is created by Google. There is no way you could have android without Google. If you mean Google apps, as someone else said just run cyanogenmod without GAPPS. You wont be able to do much, won't even be able to load apps that aren't preinstalled.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
It wouldn't be anymore secure than the current version of Android being ran (which he mentioned and is apparently worried about).. but as far as all the 'monitoring and tracking' and what not, I mean, sure. But what would be the point? Seems like a pretty half assed Android experience.

There is only so much that can be done without the use of, say, GApps ... might get the job done but would essentially kill the idea of even owning said phone.

Get Yo'Self a Jitterbug
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Obviously the OS is made by Google, but I don't think that's what he meant. I think he means a rom which won't constantly sync with google's servers.

Also, you CAN sideload apps without market or GAPPS installed, the trick is just to find the .apk files somewhere other than google market, but most are on either amazon market or Edit, so again another WRONG piece of info given out here.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Although I wouldn't do it myself, I can see the point. You would have way better battery life without the constant syncing. Also takes much less ram. Not everyone cares about sync with gmail, contacts, and calendar. Some just want a nice smooth OS. It would be more secure, because everything wouldn't go through google's servers.
[EVO 4G General] mdean1981:
Seriously? This is like asking for the competitor iPhone and not wanting Apple to make it. If you didn't want a Google phone then why did you buy a phone with software developed by Google? Please don't tell me you Yahoo'd your phone. That would just be an Epic Fail!
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Actually it's more like having an iphone and not paying for mobile me. But in this case it's a better situation because you wouldn't have to register with google to get the apps (get them somewhere else as I suggested previously), like you would have to with apple.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
I get the 'tracking' and what not ... but no one is really 'tracking' you. Recorded, maybe. But what does that even really matter in the end?

I get that you want to point out that it can be done, and others were wrong, but it was a silly question none the less.

And, sure, of course - less RAM. And no syncing? Could always disable. But freeing up RAM and what not? Running a smooth experience? It's not going to be that much smoother than should you elect to NOT use proprietary apps. It's not going to be a 'night and day' thing.

I'm more or less curious what the OP wants to do with his phone. Yeah, getting apps from other avenues is always a possibility ... sure. But getting apps from outside of the Market isn't going to offer less system stability, or smoothness, as opposed to getting them from the market.

Sure, I suppose it could be done ... but what are you trying to do? And, as said, it's only as secure as the latest version of Android ... which is constantly facing security issues.

It was sort of a silly post. Gotta admit that much.
[EVO 4G General] scoobdude:
What is the op's true goal here. Just saying he does not want to be tracked is dumb. License plate reading cameras, you Garmin is serialized and can be tracked down by the CC you bought it with etc. The goal need to be better defined before you can expect a better solution.

P.s. you phone can track you even while off. This is why CEOs remove their batteries before certain meetings etc.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
I don't find it all that silly myself. Every so often I ask myself "do I really want google that have all this info on me?" I mean, they have all my contacts info, all of my appointment info, all my email conversations, and more.. I try not to be paranoid, but from a paranoid point of view, do we really know for sure that Google isn't run by the CIA? Usually, when I ask myself that question, my answer comes back that I'm not doing anything wrong to worry about, so it's nice and convenient to sync all my info through google, which is why I do it. Drug dealers, mafia members, and terrorists might see it differently however. The simple fact is that some people just want a phone that will run only one very specific app well -- especially medical professionals. They might care less about syncing with google.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Proof or it didn't happen.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
I mean, I get that. I get that thinking and 'uneasiness' about all the Google hype. When using information through services as such though, you are essentially submitting said information for whatever possible scenario.

Yeah, submitting contact info and calendar info ... but also allowing said information to be readily available across the board and across many different services. And, sure, I say the same thing, 'I have nothing to fear.' Should I have a reason to not have someone / or some event logged into my calendar I will do what I have to do to keep it private ... 'deal at 9PM - safeway' written on a piece of paper.

Kidding aside though, I'm curious as to what the OP is trying to get done with his phone. Is he just trying to text and phone? Maybe side load SOME apps? He didn't seem to suggest he is trying to free up space / system space / RAM etc so I am naturally curious. I get the '**** Google and their location tracking / information gathering' vibe from the post.

I mean, by using an Android phone you are essentially submitting to all that hype and data tracking information. That is, also, part of Google's 'modus operandi.'

I'm not trying to ridicule the OP or anyone trying to justify the question at hand ... so, while not maybe entirely silly, it was only 'slightly' silly.

I want to know what he is trying to do with his phone that couldn't, possibly, be done with another phone that isn't an Android / Google device. You assuming the system angle might be a good reason, but seems like a poor excuse, TBQH.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Couldn't someone just make a firewall prog and monitor the phone to see the data being sent out figure out the ips being used and block them with the firewall prog and leave the current Android on and as far as mms I don't thin u would be able to encrypt cause no one else would be able to de crypt it and if u sent it through the network I'm sire it wouldn't reach anyone cause it would be suspicious just my thoughts
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
First of all, i said very clearly "I may be wrong but..." and second of all it's AOSP not 'ASOP.'

And the title of the thread is "Google free rom" I'm sorry, but that's just not possible. Not yet, anyways.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Oops, sorry about the typo. Believe it of not I knew that already - Android Open Source Project.
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
Simple mistake. :)
[EVO 4G General] anthonyandrews:
and then

and now

It most certainly did happen, how do you think the CEO provided power to HIS tin foil hat? He used the battery from his EVO 4G with YahooOS installed.
[EVO 4G General] Dan_:
they're

just saying.
[EVO 4G General] scoobdude:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

Here is a video from FOX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1fNjK9SXg

Another example of them remoting into your stuff can be seen here: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-5109435.html

Look at the dates and sorry in advance for popping your ignorance bubble.

And FYI.. tin foil hats don't need POWAH!!!!! :p

Cheer up folks.. come to terms with it and embrace it...and figure out how to use it to your advantage ;)
[EVO 4G General] Fazulka:
I wondered this too when I read it. I like that my phone is storing where I go, it is interesting to look at the map on location cache. Why would I care if google wants data on cell towers I drive by? I am pretty sure that no one at google gives a sh*t where I go.

Also, any phone, even a dumb phone is constantly tracked. I have had to call the cell phone providers and get information about what towers a cell phone has pinged to locate people in an emergency. All the cell providers keep a record of that. That information can certainly be subpoenaed in a terrorist, drug, or child porn case.
[EVO 4G General] u921333:
I wonder why u say u hate when people act like experts but if u read your post that is what u are doing. You don't know what the original poster had in mind any more then the other members who answered. So its very possible in your words "You think wrong" if the original poster wanted to not have anything created or touched in anyway by Google.
[EVO 4G General] MCL1981:
Actually you're wrong and you're idiot trying to act smart.

The OP said:

That clearly includes the OS, which is a google product. You twisting that to mean "he just doesn't want google apps" is completely changing the context of the OP's request to match your self righteous ego.

So, back to the topic... No.
[EVO 4G General] Philyteach:
I doubt that you can get encrypted text messages. Giving it some quick thought I believe the amount of characters you could send in one message would be too small. Even with built in decryption, thinking a pgp type solution, messages sometimes? often? come in out of sequence.
[EVO 4G General] MCL1981:
Your Garmin isn't transmitting or talking to anyone. The only person that knows where it is, is the user looking at it.

What crack are you smoking??
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
I can say honestly that a cellphone company and the police can't find you till you call 911 I mean I'm sure if its on they can triangulate ur position if they r busting u which requires plenty of hard ****ing work and even then I think u have to have made a phone call cause I was stranded on the side of a hw and had been drugged and called my parents didn't know where I was n they called the police cause I was still drugged up n they said they couldn't do anything till I called them
[EVO 4G General] sbradymobile:
Makes sense sms would be too small; maybe a new, secure type of mms would work. But these services are controlled by the phone companies anyway, so like people have said it won't be possible to roll your own encrypted text messaging solution unless you are using email or some other web solution.
[EVO 4G General] VTEC4ME:
IBTL!!!

YES!
[EVO 4G General] scoobdude:
How does it update the traffic data? Has to send data to get data...right?

On the other issue I posted links...read them. At least post an argument as ridicule does not add any validity to your statement.

K. Thnx.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
I would just get a not smartphone then. Seems too much trouble if you really want to live off the radar.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
First result using my Google search button

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/12/350629.shtml
[EVO 4G General] scottgalit61:
Get an iphone dude... Just saying..!!!
[EVO 4G General] Tilde88:
Ignore all these idiots trolling around. I swear about a year ago this forum was much more evolved and articulated [as far as people and human interactions go].

Simply flash any ROM you see marked as AOSP, but do NOT flash a GAPPS.zip with it. This will make it so there is nothing google (no email no maps, i think even no market??)

Anyhow, after your ROM boots you can use Titanium Backup to uninstall absolutely any app you do not wish to have. However, there are a few that you shouldn't delete, seeing as how it will make you phone unusable... (ReBoot loop, infinite force closed apps)... You will have to reflash the ROM again. In some cases however, if you delete a necessary component, you can flash the same ROM over (without wiping) and regain those features you removed. However, all of them will be re-added. It's easiest to do with TiBu, because when you reinstall those missing components [along with the ones you don't want], all of the freshly installed apps are on the top of TiBu's list... Hopefully you have an eidetic memory (or even just a good one) to know which ones you removed. Hope it helps!

Also, our phones have built-in voice privacy, but you can use enhanced voice privacy within the phone settings. As far as text encryption im not too sure about it. But i can tell you it is definitely far more difficult for authorities [or otherwise] to access your Tx/Rx on SMS... It is especially easy on iPhones however. In most cases, feds can only see what you can see publicly (not locally on your phone). Meaning that they can see to whom and from who you send/receive... Not what ... It is possible though, but very unlikely. I, and many other individuals who do things under the covers, actually rely on texting rather than speaking for semi-sensitive information.

If you have any questions about privacy and confidentiality [from the phone perspective] just let me know.

"dirty deeds... done dirt cheap!"