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[myTouch 4G General] TeeJay3800:
That's not a bad idea. I want you to know the only reason I said anything is because skipping the file integrity verification is a bad idea. There's nothing wrong with avoiding using ADB if you can accomplish the same thing with other methods, but I know people who have bricked their phones by flashing a radio from a file that was corrupt (they didn't check the MD5, one guy with an OG Droid and one with an Incredible). The guy who posted the original radio thread knows what he's talking about, that's why he included that very important step in his procedure. So all I was doing was pointing out what missing, and probably came across too harsh.

I wasn't trying to troll or start a flame war or anything. Just trying to help others in the same way as I've been helped over the years. As it stands now, your procedure is indeed easier and safe as well. :)
[myTouch 4G General] kimbernator:
You can flaunt this method all you want, but it's really just the same as the ADB one, just no commands and a different form of checking the MD5. Not to detract from the fact that you made doing this much more understandable and a little less daunting which was very good of you to do. But in any case, yes. I used this method.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Cool... I should have added it from the start because I do know better, but I was reminded to add to check MD5 Promptly. I am not trying to upstage anyone saying it's the only method, but IMHO is the most easy & fastest way I have seen. As you can see a couple of people have tried it and agree. I think we should all be able to get along in this thread as its is only an attempt at Helping people out. Mainly newer members. Peace...
[myTouch 4G General] tubmanx:
I agree. There is a way to say things and a way to help people without being pompous and rude. Maybe post "important correction" instead of telling someone they're giving "horrible" advice in italics.
[myTouch 4G General] TeeJay3800:
Yep, I agree.
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
So after all the bickering and fighting how does this thread differ from the one in the Development section ?

I see no difference at all
[myTouch 4G General] itmustbejj:
I don't think TeeJay was out of line here. The fact is, posting an incomplete guide for flashing a radio IS irresponsible. Nobody was trolling here, and anyone that has seen TeeJay ever post would know he certainly does not fall in that category.

I use hboot to flash all my radios, but personally I don't understand why anyone is afraid of adb. It has like 6 commands you will ever use (adb push, adb pull, adb install, adb shell, adb devices, adb reboot). Learning to use ADB will save your bacon at some point if you are going to continue rooting phones.
[myTouch 4G General] darinmc:
agree with itmustbejj, this method is fine, but it's no easier than adb. Everyone here spent at least 3 minutes to learn how to root their phone, spend another 2 to install adb and learn the useful commands.

Still thanks for taking the time.
[myTouch 4G General] ESKIMOn00b:
It's also nothing new, I've been flashing radios through hboot since my g1. No easier, just more convenient. I actually refuse to flash radio in anything other than boatloader, whether it be hboot or fastboot.
[myTouch 4G General] JordanSiprasoeuth:
Did it this way and it worked for me :)
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Thanks... I am glad you had no troubles.

As you ADB people can see... This method is more geared to the new users.

Once again there is no more need to say that it is the same method as ADB because its not. Ultimatly the Files go to the same place, but in a much easier to follow method. These NEW Radios are just as I said NEW to MT4G, so comparing to a G1 is a little much. Some People are NEW to Android. This guy has 1 post and was able to Flash their Radio via this method. I say mission Accomplished. ;)
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
You dont see that there is no use of ADB? :confused: Come on now I am kinda getting tired of being slammed in this thread!!

It seems that this behavior is very contagious of having to show people that their way sucks and is no different than anyone else's.

I was just trying to make it some what simpler for everyone. Im not getting paid to do this or not getting any thanks even. This is why we have DEV's wanting to call it Quits all the time... Case in point faux123 kept having to deal with crap and almost decided to leave MT4G Development ( Our Best DEV ) IMHO. Did'nt your parents teach you if you dont have anything good to say, to keep your mouth shut. WoW... :confused:
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
I never slammed you. all i did was ask a simple question. you neglected to answer my question... so....

my mom and dad always told me open and honest. BTW

:rolleyes:

the command line

adb push <file> /mnt/sdcard

Is the exact same code as opening the SD/Card for remote storage, then dropping and dragging the file to the SDcard.

There is no difference. Just trying to take away the foundational knowledge that android was built on.

the root explores are nice but i takes away from the very basis of how android works. And like mentioned above you can learn six basic commands and do anything you want to do.

and all we know you created a second account to pat yourself on the back with...:rolleyes:
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
This is my one and only account on XDA. Here we go again with the snied remarks. Thanks for that... Just what we all need... A stab in the back. :rolleyes:

Here you go talking about CODE!! I should start a poll on if people would rather Flash a ROM or Theme to their Android Device, or Push it there with ADB. You and I both know the outcome of that. :eek:
[myTouch 4G General] itmustbejj:
Honestly I could care less if a person pushes a file via adb or mounts their sd card and drag-and-drops. I do think that you should make an actual numbered step that has them verify the md5 sum. You stress that this is a beginner's guide. I don't feel that "Always Verify your MD5 Prior to installation" is verbose enough for a beginner.

Regardless of how you put the file on your device (adb or sd card mounting), your guide is the same as the sticky in the dev section with the exception of explicitly mentioning how to check the MD5 sum which is the MOST IMPORTANT step of flashing a radio.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate you trying to make a tutorial to help people, but if you are making a guide geared towards absolute beginners please be more explicit with verifying the md5 rather than just mentioning it as an afterthought.
[myTouch 4G General] TeeJay3800:
I agree! That was what I was saying from the beginning. It does not matter how you move the file to your SD or how you verify the MD5 (the only two actions that ADB was used for in the original guide). Do whatever is easier for you. If you want to avoid ADB, fine. Just make sure you verify the MD5 when flashing radios. That is important whether you're a n00b or a veteran.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Point taken. Thanks for ALL of you guys advise. I am still a Noob of sorts to All this. I started Jan. 2011, so I dont even know it all. :p
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
I did not stab anyone in the back. A "forum stab in the back" would be making a snide remark in a different thread. I didn't do that. I post right here.

Any i cannot stress the importance of ADB, when i got my first android phone. A MyTouch3G i bought in "semi-bricked" state. Got it for 50$. The owner didn't know what he was doing and got to a point of no return. So i bought the phone and a gamble learned how ADB worked and got it up and running on my own.

You can teach people how to drop and drag all day long. When the rubber meets the road and they've screwed something up, Root Explores and Drop and Drag Methods will not work. You need to know the inner workings of the system, at least the basics. Or know where to look.

That's my point. The [OP] of the thread in the development section already pointed out how to do it. You have to move the radio file to the Root of the SDcard, then check the MD5, then reboot into hboot. They had a more traditional Android method but the end result is the same.

1) telling someone not to worry about ADB is foolish

2) not telling someone to MD5 sum prior to flashing ANYTHNG Linux is foolish. Heck i flash DD-WRT on a old Motorola WGR850 V2 router and checked the MD5Sum of that download. You can and will brick device flashing the correct file, with a corrupt download.

TeeJay and I stress to use ADB for a reason. And we do take time to show people how to do what they are wanting to do via ADB. IF you don't like ADB that's fine, but do not shun people away from it.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
TeeJay and I stress to use ADB for a reason. And we do take time to show people how to do what they are wanting to do via ADB. IF you don't like ADB that's fine, but do not shun people away from it.[/QUOTE]

ADB is easy. I have pushed many of splash screens using ADB. TrueBlue_Drew's 5 min. ADB is Great. I am seeing alot of people still wanting a New Radio, but at the same time still hesitant and I think it has to do with the ADB portion. Not alot of people are very technical savy, buy they want to Flash ROM's and themes and Radio's and such. Just Drag and Drop into your SD and Flash it I believe is what most Users are Wanting. I am not trying to compete with anyone Here and I am not trying to say that ADB is bad or trying to downplay it. Not all of us are trying to be DEV's or Android Experts, but we Do want to Flash New ROM's and such. Just Saying... I think I will give posting Threads a Break for now... To Stressful. You guys are a Tough Crowd.
[myTouch 4G General] darinmc:
They are a tough crowd because they spend a lot of time fixing people's mistakes. Most if not all of those mistakes come from an unwillingness to learn what has been spoon-fed in these forums. They have nothing against you, or your desire to contribute. We appreciate your efforts, more than anything I just think they fear the onslaught of "HELP MY PHONE IS BRICKED SOMEONE CALL 911" threads.
[myTouch 4G General] TeeJay3800:
Again, well said. It's wanting to avoid threads like that, and it's also putting myself in that person's shoes and knowing how much it would suck. When I first got into Android, my butt was spared from a number of potential screw-ups by excellent instructions written by experienced users. If we can spare someone the pain of a bricked phone, we're gonna do it.
[myTouch 4G General] PermROOT:
That goes for any system modifications. When user attempts it they should already be aware of the pro/con regarding what they doing as thats given if they screw up then they only have themselves to blame.

Far as adb vs the op's meth goes they are one in same. Any fool who would try to flash RadioROM and not knowing the danger deserve what they get. Anything you always download make sure checksum is verified. Far as adb and manual drop goes the file still can be corrupted due to I/O buffer const.

Golden rule:

1) Verify the download for corruption after completion.

2) Verify the content not corrupted after transfer.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
So far it seems to have helped some users Flash their Radio. Thats all I intended to do was Help some people out.
[myTouch 4G General] el_smurfo:
ManD5 in the Market is an easy way to check MD5 sums on your phone. This post is completely reasonable as long as such an app is used first and the way I always flash radios.
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
No on here said anything about this post being out of line. All we said is make sure you always check MD5SUMs and do not be afraid of using ADB Command lines.

People see ADB commands and see the terminal and think OMGWTFBBQ I'm not computer wiz and get scared. When it's simple. It's easy. and it's device saving.

The [OP] had a good idea when they posted this, they brought down a level so everyone can understand. But when you remove the basic foundations and rely on simple methods. When things get screwy you are that much farther behind the 8 ball.

Here i'm going to paint a picture for you.

using an application will not help the troubled anonymous XDA member check his MD5. Sure they can remote mount the SDcard via the "mount" options. but flashing the correct file with a bad MD5SUM will brick a phone.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Check MD5 Sum... Gotcha

You are correct. Please everyone check your MD5 sum of the radio download Prior to using this method to make SURE that they match. Happy Radio Flashing. :)
[myTouch 4G General] 2leaponover1:
STOP saying it's the same as ADB people. If it was the same as ADB you would be installing a bunch of stuff on your computer and setting things up just to put the file on your memory card. It's like you completely forgot you have to set up adb. All you have to do to put the file in your memory card is plug in the usb and let the computer install the drivers for you. Comparing dropping a file on your memory card and the whole process of setting up ADB you sound stupid for even saying they are the same.
[myTouch 4G General] pimpelkallejero:
thanksss a lot
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Thanks for the support on that fact.:) I was getting tired of hearing same as ADB!! :D
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Dude im not saying its new, but I did say its Easy. If it was new I would post in Android Development. Its not like there is 20 Radio threads. Give me a break!

I cant wait till june 8th! It will be time for an upgrade to HTC Sensation.
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
Setting up the whole ADB?!?!?!

Takes 30 seconds.

you download a folder extract to the c:\ drive on your computer and your done. ;)

Heck i even have a remote thumb drive that i store on my ADB stuff on.

it is 100% exactly the same.

the command

adb push <file_name> /[loacation]

is the same as drop and drag.
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
Well i'll be honest about it, i'm no *nix guru nor am i any type of pro. But i do understand the value of knowing how to do that stuff. And the problems it can save you in the long run.

But i do agree it seems that when someone comes out with a new "interface" to do the same thing it becomes the norm. Just like with Super Manager and the ability pull apps/reboot recovery/reboot bootloader and some other stuff. It just adds glitz and glamor to current ADB commands.... doesn't make sense. :confused:
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
ADB & Fast Boot are Easy, but do you remember when you didnt know how to do SDK or ADB and you kinda had to read up on it for days and have trial and error periods with it. Well I my self would rather Flash a ROM, Theme or Radio (hint hint). If i need to push somthing ADB is right on my computor ready to use, but only if I NEED to. Were not all trying to be DEV's or Script writers or anything. Alot of us like to (Crack Flash) if you will and make the little things in life a little easier and Faster. ;) I can install a Radio Via this Method in 2 minutes. You cant ask for more efficient than that.

@neidlinger: Not saying you are wrong at all either.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
eVIL D is posting a update to his ROM right now with no MD5 sum listed. He is a trusted DEV, but it seems you should say somthing to him yourself-Mister MD5- You know what... I just downloaded it anyway. F-IT if I brick my device that is my fault and also my business. So what if you, we or whoever knew about it. I just happened to Post it. In General, not Android Development. I am helping some people with this method, so get off my ass. :rolleyes:
[myTouch 4G General] TeeJay3800:
I would like a MD5 for that ROM download as well, but the risk is not anywhere close to what it is for a radio file. If you flash a ROM or kernel from a corrupted file, you will not brick your phone, but if you flash a radio from a corrupted file, you likely will. That is why we all jumped on that issue in this thread. ADB isn't the real issue; verifying file integrity is. And that was initially missing from the original instructions in the OP.
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
I guess there are two ways to skin a cat to me it's much faster and easier to download the ROM then type

adb push <ROM name> /mnt/sdcard

to push the ROM to the SD card

adb shell md5sum /sdcard/<ROM name>

To check the MD5SUM

adb shell reboot recovery

to reboot into recovery

then wipe the cache & Dalvik partitions, Nandroid back up and flash the ROM.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
True True... Thats great and easy as well, but just not for everyone.
[myTouch 4G General] itmustbejj:
I feel this thread is spinning out of control, and while it is not completely your fault vabeach, you are not helping. The real issue everyone is giving you a hard time over is not about adb, it's about teaching best practices on one of the most dangerous things you can do to your phone.

If you had just added a numbered step to verify md5 in ANY WAY, this thread would have been a lot smoother instead of the bickering BS it has become. Instead you chose to push the "different strokes for different folks" argument, which while true, skates around the issue that you still have not made a numbered step for the md5 verification which is important for newcomers who just want the "EASIEST" way to flash a radio.

Please add this step:

2) Use an MD5Sum tool, such as ManD5 from the Android Market to compare the MD5 hash of the original download to the MD5 of your downloaded radio image. FLASHING A CORRUPTED RADIO IMAGE WILL BRICK YOUR PHONE.
[myTouch 4G General] MrPositive:
Much easier than adb imo
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Updated OP. Agreed. Thanks for the advise.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Updated OP. You are right Radio Files are more dangerous. I was just making a piont. :p
[myTouch 4G General] itmustbejj:
Thanks for listening and thanks for contributing to the community.
[myTouch 4G General] vabeach454:
Nobody should have anymore to say. OP has been updated and all is good.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ImRickJamesBit_h:
I'm not a straight noob. Ive had an OG Droid, Dinc, and now a HTC Thunderbolt. I want to put the dasBAMF Gingerbread rom on my phone, that thread s freakin ridiculous. Last i checked it was at 108 pages. Could a kind soul tell us (meaning everybody who is lost as a mug) how to put this on their HTC Thunderbolts. Just SIMPLE instructions. PLEASEEEEEEEEEE......
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yareally:
Did you already root your phone? If not, you have to do that first.

You can make it far less pages if you change the default posts per page in your profile. However, the only actual relevant post(s) are the ones by the OP (developer).

If you haven't rooted, there's several threads in the developers forum about how to do that.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ImRickJamesBit_h:
Yes sir, Im rooted. I just dont understand all the radio and adb thing.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yareally:
Radios are just what controls your connection to the verizon network (data/voice). You dont really need to mess with those for most roms unless the rom post by the developer says you need a certain one/type.

For how to flash a rom, just read this

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1032510&highlight=flashing+rom

The overall search for xda isnt that great, but if you search the thunderbolt subforum, it works pretty well overall. I just grabbed that from a quick search.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ImRickJamesBit_h:
Thanks Bro!!!!!!!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Turd Furguson:
Use ROM Manager to boot into Recovery then you can navigate to the folder where the bamf ROM is. Make sure to wipe data, davlik, and cache first. Flash away. Then you will have to use adb or the battery pull trick to flash to the newest radio.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Krrnamja:
I upgraded to gingerbread but dont notice some of the gui visual differences. Anyone else notice this too?
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nabuhonodozor:
Theres not much changed in the graphics itself. More underlying stuff has been changed.

For me the most important things are greatly improved battery life and properly working gps (quick fix). There are others reporting faster and more responsive overall user experience.

Its really worth to upgrade to 2.3
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maddball:
What version tab do you have? Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ultramag69:
Mines a hell of a lot faster with Gingerbread... Love it, would recommend the upgrade...

Mines a p1000t, aussie telstra version. Has same modem as the A,T&T version in the states...
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Krrnamja:
Rogers sgt p1000. I waz hoping for alot of the gui graphical updates in gingerbread. :(
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssserpentine:
Search tab forumn gingerbread has ALOT of bugs. Threads and threads with pages and pages.

Wait till oc/uv and a more stable kernel. Current kernel is a mix between tab software with a sgs driver. Because samsung hasnt released source code yet. Gingerbread isnt officially out in the us or most of the world for the tab.

An interesting note on gingerbread. Drop your lcd density to 165 and some stock icons upgrade to a totally different icon. Example is phoneicon.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kraistus:
If you want to change the GUI of your Tab, I suggest that you try out some launcher apps. LauncherPro for example, you can easily change how the homescreen looks.

Or if your open to custom ROM's, I suggest that you keep a close eye to the development of Overcome ROM. They are beginning to customize the GUI of the ROM, as well as optimization tweaks for the whole device.
[Galaxy Tab Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Krrnamja:
Thanks for all of your answers
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cowisland:
I have Das BAMF Remix 1.6.3 and would like to apply patches for "Disable wake on volume" and "Removal Call Recorder and Call Recorder Support" that are listed for Das BAMF 1.6.3 Standard. Will these patches work on Remix? Thanks!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yareally:
Those are patches to the kernel of the phone (or removing an app) so yes, they should work since they're all using the same kernel (assuming you didnt switch it). The only ones that might have trouble are theme (graphical) related ones, but even those should not if they're based off the same base rom. When in doubt, back up and restore after.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cowisland:
it worked

Thanks for the reply. I have applied the patches and they worked fine. I just rooted the phone last night and installed BAFM with the kernel that came with the ROM, so all is good. This is my first android phone, and so far the rooting and flashing went smoothly, thanks to all the help on this forum!
[T-Mobile LG G2x] bballcat03:
title is pretty self-explanatory...

thanks guys!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] smaskell:
Hey guys,

Are there any (simple)tablet specific apps you guys would really like to see? I'm no star programmer(2nd year software eng. student with no experience before university) and I'm certainly not an android pro(really just got into android development in January) but I'll see what I can do. I've been working on some simple phone apps but I'd really like to get started with some apps for honeycomb.

If there are any fans of theoatmeal.com, I'm thinking my first honeycomb app will just be a simple viewer for his comics. Nothing complicated, just a list of comics on the side, with an image view which you can swipe to change panes in the comic and then some tabs at the top to filter(all, cats, grammar, food, animals, tech - just like on the website). I wish I could work on it this weekend but I'm leaving for my parent's in about half an hour and I don't have my laptop with me(just my galaxy tab 10.1).

Anyway, let me know what you'd like to see.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Themes and Apps] xManMythLegend:
Automatic about :debug desktop view app. ;)

A deviantart app so I can see images quicker and easier.