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[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
The differences are slim to nil? I have an evo and a TB. My Evo gets 5 megs or less on a good day. My TB gets 15-20 megs down ALL of the time and my speeds are yet to drop off. I get LTE inside of the house, 4 bars easily... wimax coverage stops at the front door. In Atlanta at least, wimax is no comparison at all to LTE. And not only did they come in and setup initial coverage, VZW is actually coming back into cities that already have LTE and expanding the coverage as well as adding new cities. This week they came in and expanded the LTE as far west as Douglasville and plugged in all the holes that werent covered under the initial coverage. Clear's coverage has been the same, spotty and inconsistent since they turned wimax on.

People can talk trash about VZW all they want, but when its said and done they are without question doing a better job implementing LTE than clear is with wimax. People keep talking about this network vision thing, but honestly all thats going to do is what VZW is already doing... adding 4G to all of their existing 3G towers. Its what they shouldve done in the first place instead of rushing to be first by buying into Clear. Yes, LTE had an outage.. but hell my wimax has an outage every single time I enter a building.

And as far as 3G, Verizon IS faster than Sprint now.. at least in Atlanta and its not even close. Most of us havent seen anything near 1MB download speeds on 3G since early last year. Why do you think so many people here are using Verizon PRL's for data now?
[EVO 4G General] volwrath:
Ive seen those benchmarks as well, but never really understood them. Acoording to what Ive seen, Sprint's 4G speeds were like 200kb/s which tells me they werent on 4G.

My experience is that 4G is spotty, but my Evo really hums where I do get 4G coverage. I use it at the office as a wireless router to serve up tunes to my squeezebox and to surf via my ipad. I get 4mbps while tethering which I am more than happy with.

Everywhere Ive tested 4G, its worked well
[EVO 4G General] DroidHead225:
Your 10bucks at work.

sent from my evo, *****!
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
[EVO 4G General] Marlowr05:
I love how people always like to blame wimax vs. LTE. It's not the technology. If Wimax was on 700mhz just like Verizon the service would be the same. If Verizon was on 2.5ghz and sprint wimax was 700mhz people would blame that the LTE technology was at fault....It's common sense...the higher the frequency the more towers you will need and the harder it is to penetrate building. Pure common sense.
[EVO 4G General] halorin:
In the DC area, I can confirm that 4G does not work when in a car, even over relatively short distances.
[EVO 4G General] cdszoke:
A link to another forum post is not really a credible source of info. Not hating just saying.
[EVO 4G General] nohbdyshero:
I am of the 1 wimax tower markets...I do use it at some airports (ORD is a good example) but most of the time its useless to me as well
[EVO 4G General] DroidHead225:
Doesn't matter, sprint has more towers and is getting more money and still slowly working on their network

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[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Where the hell are Verizon fanbois coming from? Or 3G talk? I can get the LTE is blah blah better argument sure... Verizon, umm **** no. I don't care if they had LTE Advanced & no hand off issue.

High Priced, soon to be teired & throttled this with no more unlimited options. Sorry but no.
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Verizon or MetroPCS can't legally do the "Filtered internet" option. Thank goodness.

Another thing LTE users don't have to fear, at least in the U.S.

Source:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20028252-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
+1000000000000000000000000

What good is 12mbps on a tiered, limited plan?

I guess it makes it easier to go over your monthly allotment in a couple of days....?
[EVO 4G General] monkeychef:
Im glad to see this thread got back on track.

I'm with you matty, it is pointless to have amazing dl speeds if it isn't unlimited. But can I ask, who here actually reaches 5gb a month? I just started recording mine this morning, and according to my 3g usage I will go to about 6gb by the end of the month.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Its hard to judge when you're on a lower bandwidth especially in relation to how the mobile internet and app bandwidth demand will change with faster speeds.

Think about the internet when it was mostly dialup.

95% text...now? Bling-blang all around yo.

As more bandwidth is made available to all the different uses and demands will increase.
[EVO 4G General] :
4G sucks sweaty donkey balls. I've been in a full 4g covered zone in downtown west palm and only get 1 bar. Then it disconnects and reconnects randomly even when I sit still.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You sure about that?
[EVO 4G General] jdpgg172:
I use 4g all the time in Houston with no issues. Love it. Tether my tab to it all the time.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
If you read the thread I copied it had all the sources, i won't take the time to cut and paste so many links in Tapatalk as I am very lazy
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Positive thing to say?

You must be a fanboy.

Hows Dan's lap?

:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] pknath19:
This is why I don't use 4g it never works indoors and it is such a drain on my battery.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Truth.

Lte and wimax radios are nothing but a drain.

Besides the fact that you have three or four different radios on when you have "4g" on too.

The only reason the thunderbolt's battery life is better than the evo's is because of the smaller, more efficient processor.

Lte isn't any better on the battery.
[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
So will Sprint be putting wimax on a lower frequency? I'm not sure what they actually own but why would Sprint put it so high that it's to the point where wimax is almost unusable? 4G is a battery drain but if it's going to drain my battery it would be nice if it actually worked places rather then drain my battery and suck.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
They're shutting down the iden network for this reason.

May be Lte and not wimax but ...yes.

The frequency used is what was available at the time I guess.

Keep in mind, this isn't Sprint, its clear.
[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
When is IDEN scheduled to be off completely?
[EVO 4G General] mylasthope:
WiMax is really disappointing. Damn Sprint's and Clear's 4g coverage maps. I wish they were actually accurate. =(
[EVO 4G General] I'M NOT YELLING:
Discussed on a weekly basis you say? Wonder why. Everyone complaining must be babyback *****es.

Why are you asking him how Dan's lap is? You're the one comfortably seated there.

Unlimited until later this summer, yes. Is it worth it to switch now and get grandfathered into their unlimited LTE plan? Or should people stick around for god knows how long and pray Sprint gets it together?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I got my Nexus S yesterday and batterylife with 4G on is surprisingly amazing. 4G itself still sucks. If it could hang on to a reliable signal indoors and coverage wasn't so spotty, I'd switch positions.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Sorry, some would rather talk **** than actually discuss things...

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/06/sprint-iden-cdma-network-shutting-down/

I realize that because the Nexus S core is very battery efficient...
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I don't know if it's a HW feature of the NS4G's WiMax radio or if it's Google's code at work but I noticed that the WiMax signal will go idle/sleeps ("...") when not in use and will immediately jump back on when data is needed (refresh poll, push notification, or user initiated). On the EVO 4G, even with CM7 nightlies w/ Google's code, the WiMax radio will always be on. Maybe it does idle and doesn't show on the status bar but it definitely idles when it's on and there's no signal so that leads me to believe that it behaves differently. Just something I noticed.
[EVO 4G General] huludical:
My friend on Verison doubled my speed with LTE... was very sad.
[EVO 4G General] mylasthope:
I'm thinking about this same thing. I currently have 3 lines with Sprint, but 2 of them will be going to Verizon this Tuesday because our voice signal sucks at home and at the places we work (I'm on my third replacement airave). I really do love Sprint's pricing, but since the other 2 lines are dead set on Verizon, the cost of me switching to Verizon as well is the same as me holding on to a single line with Sprint (around $60 for both options). However, I really can't see myself locking myself into a 2 year contract w/ a thunderbolt or droid charge. I really hope Sprint gets it together soon.
[EVO 4G General] mdotnew:
mine sucks also and I get all the bars from my house some would be jealous but it sucks I just use wifi
[EVO 4G General] starnostar:
Back when 3g was the new cell phone thing on the block, it was just as suck if not more suck than today's 4g.

In all technicality, wimax requires a larger initial investment than lte as the towers have shorter range, but is far more sustainable as its much cheaper to impliment than lte.

If sprints rock solid 3g is any indication of future network performance on 4g, then I still have confidence in sprint.

Any if anything, ill take unlimited data over over a tiered plan any day of the week.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Where have you been? Tons of recent complaints. Now that Sprint has decent smart phones with value priced plans, it's failing to keep up. It's either that they were never capable and are feeling the smartphone crunch or they lost contracts to non-Sprint owned towers (as some have rumored/pointed out).
[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
I had awful speeds before flashing the newest evo radio and removing the Sprint proxy. I have been very happy with speeds since doing those things. I have read a lot of things over in the data speeds wtf thread about bad performance but maybe it's just my area but I have been happy as of late. Unfortunately for all the other evo's in my area, I'm guessing 99%+ of them don't have the same radio & proxy removed. Here are some tests I ran a few min ago.

4G/3G

Now if only I could hold a 4G signal without having to stand still, I would be one happy camper.
[EVO 4G General] :
My 3G/4G blows. I'm in a big city in NJ and the speeds are horrid. 4G barely penetrates my building at work. At this rate they might as well raise prices and make more money to enhance the network.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
I can see doing as much alleviating 'some' issues, but if it were that easy ....

Enviado desde mi PC36100 utilizando XDA Premium de la aplicación
[EVO 4G General] teamgreen02:
I'm in Minneapolis also and I can vouch for the 4g network being garbage. 3g isn't great but usually is acceptable. The 4g coverage has just as many dead spots as covered spots. The tower next to me has been down for weeks. My gf has a Thunderbolt and I will tell you that Verizon has a very solid 4g network and with their size and market share they will always have the capital to expand and improve the network. Clear has absolutely zero cash right now and can hardly keep their network running let alone expand coverage. Like I mentioned earlier, the 4g network here has the same dead spots since just after the network launched. Americas favorite 4g network my ass!

BTW, the first HTC dual core LTE phone that comes to Verizon is going to make me pay my ETF and switch to Verizon.
[EVO 4G General] Devilock666:
I'm in Houston, 4g from the start and have not experienced any issues with the signal, speed, etc.
[EVO 4G General] dw3bb10:
Im in Los Angeles so ofcourse we have 4G here. OFCOURSE, its GREAT outside. I can barely get it inside of my apartment though, the signal is very faint. And I love to tether since 4G speeds are much greater than my crappy DSL line. I have to position my Evo at a certain spot on my couch near my window to get a decent 4G reception inside. I get about 1.5-4mbps. I wish signal were better. But, im grateful its atleast faster than my DSL haha
[EVO 4G General] slipshft:
Wow! I will have to say that their are a lot of people who can spread miss inforamtion like no ones business.

The Clearwire network will not be upgraded to the next revision of WiMAX, it would require hardware upgrades that are not in the current pipline. There is a better chance of the network going to LTE than WiMAX2. LTE and WiMAX can co-exist on the same network, so it is likely that WiMAX will be around for at least a few more years.

WiMAX does hand-off between base stations and mobility is available. However the density of sites can cause lost signal and hand-off issues, which is what most users experience.

Since the 3G and 4G networks are truly seperate networks, switching from one to the other is not a smooth transition which causes delays in data transfers. Really not an idea situation for the user.

The EVO has a known issue with the 4G antenna which causes lower than normal signal strength, they just don't tell you unless you ask. But due to a lack of base station density, the user experiences even worse performance.

When it comes down to it many factors are in play with bad user experience. More base stations and better user hardware would provide a much more satisfying user experience. However does anyone remember back in the day when cellular service was spotty? This is the same thing, young technology starting to mature. Give it some time to grow up.
[EVO 4G General] dino1342:
i dont have 4g where i live but when i do get it its not all that good
[EVO 4G General] texasez:
Sprint 4G is absolute crap in Lubbock Tx. Never works indoors and I have never got speeds of more than 2500 down. Normally 4g is only marginally better than 3g.
[EVO 4G General] dcfella:
I'd say 4G sucks around my area. We have 4G in a lot of places where I live, but I almost never use it cause it always cuts off, doesn't get good reception indoors, and it kills battery life. My gf has the Mytouch 4G, and that seems to get way faster data speeds that you can actually use inside buildings. Still like my Evo even though the 4G is neutered.
[EVO 4G General] NxNW:
Although your post sounds more credible than the ones you are disagreeing with, you have cited an identical number of authoritative references (zero) to support your claims.

I'm particularly interested in this "known issue" quoted above. Anywhere I can go to learn more about that?
[EVO 4G General] Greenfieldan:
Verizon's 4G: Twice as fast as Sprint's

Verizon's Bill: Twice as much as Sprint's.

Until 4G is developed enough that I can hardly stand being on 3G instead of it, I see no justification for trying to foot Verizon's bill. I didn't come to this carrier because of the vast choices of phones (...are you kidding me? haha), the known best network, or the fastest data speeds. I picked this carrier because economically makes sense. I don't care if my data speeds aren't the fastest. I don't care that I can't always get connection if I'm sitting on top of a mountain in the middle of whogivesacrapastan. I DO care that I have truly unlimited data, and that it doesn't cost all that much.
[EVO 4G General] Koncrete:
I have 8.3mbs down and 1.5mbs up (averaged over 30 tests) here in Oklahoma...

Personally that is pretty damned good for a phone...
[EVO 4G General] gtkansan:
Id love to know how you have 1.5 mbps up.... evo is limited to 1.0....
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Its cause he imagined it in his head. WiMax down is actually that fast but its funny that he probably lied about getting those speeds in his area.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
If you use GV, single plans are about the same price.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I've seen plenty of screen shots of people above 1 mbps upload.

I've personally had about 1 mbps in some areas, but it depends on the area.

Yeah, you keep pushing this but it's meaningless. Most people aren't interested in doing this and if Verizon picks up on it the next thing to go will either be your fab 5 [or whatever they call it] or your ability to have google voice numbers on it.

And the cure for limited data plans?
[EVO 4G General] Koncrete:
LOLOL some trolling going on here...

Must suck to be you little girl...
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Speed is always area dependant, it may have hit that but of course its throttled to 1Mbps on the upload, but it doesn't always amount to a perfect ceiling of 1 Mbps. Some times I get up to 1.3Mbps upload in NYC.

Sprint says 12Mbps down is my peak but I slightly jump over it every other day:

(Flickr)(Flickr)

I average 12Mbps.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story...uld-boost-clearwire-network-speeds/2011-05-23

Something to read.
[EVO 4G General] Evil Bob:
I'm in the south end of the 494/35W interchange of the Twin Cities, I get 4 bars on 4G in my house, which is roughly half a mile direct line of sight from one of Clearwire's towers, sadly I have better 4G at home then I do 3G and I never use it due to the fact that we also have 20mb Qwest DSL to the house. In the office, I get 2 bars at my cube in the middle of the building, entrance hall I get 3 bars, just outside the front door I get 4 bars. One of my co-workers with the Thunderbolt gets pretty much the same reception inside, but definitely higher speeds, he's seeing 12-15mb down where I see 8-10 reliably. LTE doesn't drop nearly as bad during bad weather as Wimax does, we'll get thunder and lightning and I'll drop to 1 bar and he'll still be at 2 bars.

When we were in open test phase of 4G when Clearwire had just a single tower up at Pilot Knob road and 35E we were seeing 85mb down and 26mb up connection rates parked near the tower. That lasted about 2 weeks, then we started seeing the downward trending as they throtted it back, connection rates were dropped to 18mb down and 2mb up, a couple weeks later, it was down to pretty much what we have today, 10-11mb down 1-1.5mb up.

I pretty much stick to 3G full time, fire up 4G when I'm parked and the signal is clear, half of the locations I go to regularly I can't get 4G inside the building, but can outside but only 2 bars, meaning its a pretty weak signal to begin with.

Here's to hoping they upgrade to Wimax 2 sooner than later.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
!

Sounds good.
[EVO 4G General] Evil Bob:
Yeah, read it, very interesting solution. The open meeting is just a tad over two weeks out, lets hope the proposal goes through and we see some movement in that direction and double the bandwidth.

Its still only a proposal with hardware needing to be developed and deployed, even if it goes through we're talking at minimum a year out for implementation, maybe more, it all depends upon what money starved Clearwire will do should it pass. It may be in Sprint's best interest to throw money at it and fight against LTE taking over. Its HD-DVD vs BlueRay, and sadly I'm thinking Wimax is HD-DVD.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Even without using GV for texts, for a single line VZW's plans arent anywhere NEAR twice the price of Sprints. I guess people keep telling themselves this to justify the fact that Sprints service doesnt seem to be such a good value anymore.
[EVO 4G General] Evil Bob:
Its just an over simplification of the whole Wimax vs LTE debate. Verizon has a good thing going and Sprint's Wimax has been lackluster at best, some regions are better than others, some have denser Wimax tower layouts, but for the most part, its not been something to write home about, you can't just leave it on full time and expect to stay connected.

Most of the folks I've talked to are pretty pissed off that Verizon is throttling high bandwidth users. I can understand Verizon's position in that they have to do something quick as they're inheriting a crap load of iPhone refuges from AT&T who are fed up with dropped calls and horrible service. It's far easier and less time intensive to cap bandwidth through software versus installing new hardware and still be able to provide service to all its customers which buys them time to roll out new hardware and beef up their network.
[EVO 4G General] DroidHead225:
If you have wifi, why worry about data throttling?

sent from my evo, *****!
[EVO 4G General] Evil Bob:
Because I don't always have access to wifi. I use my phone to provide internet access when I'm on customer location dealing with security matters, virus outbreaks, etc., where one would not necessarily want to connect to the network until its been cleaned. As such, I normally push 14gb-15gb a month through my phone.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I hope thats a joke.
[EVO 4G General] DroidHead225:
Yes it was, slightly, lol, but honestly I'm glad I have wifi at my house, cause sprint 3g sucks

sent from my evo, *****!
[EVO 4G General] spartan1987:
For someone who has no internet at my house, I've had good luck with wimax and save a lot of money. I tether and watch Netflix or just plug in HDMI and watch it directly from the phone. There are peak times where its slower, and I've noticed considerable slow down now where more people own a wimax device but it still nice to have an extra $40 a month to spend elsewhere.
[EVO 4G General] tjward5489:
4G here in Orlando is usually pretty fast, definitely faster than 3G. Sometimes it can be a little slow but that's rare and it doesn't last long.
[EVO 4G General] SouthernEvo:
I wouldnt know , Ive used 4G maybe 5 times in the time I have had the Evo . Seems whereever I am at I get crap 4G coverage . My house I get no coverage and at work I get no coverage , the gym I do get coverage . Usually when Im at the gym Im alittle occupied doing other things to worry about it though ROFL
[EVO 4G General] waterbound:
Not sure about your area but I just flashed the newest wimax and 3G drivers etc and getting the best 4G speeds ever. I am averaging 7-8mb downloads and in Annapolis, MD
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
T-mobile flipping the 42mbps switch in 55 cities.......ouch what are we stuck with smh

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[EVO 4G General] androidrookie84:
I'm still debating on which carrier to keep Sprint or Verizon? I finally got Wimax in a certain part of my city,and I love it! But I'm still leaning towards Verizon because its more reliable in connection.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
TMO is a great alternative if you live in a good area. I could live with 5GB of 42Mbps HSPA+ and unlimited edge after that. I think its $70 now with a off contract plan. The only people this doesn't work with is people who are too broke/cheap to have home wifi, live in the boonies, or have a crummy job with no wifi.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
That's insane speed! During undergrad I worked for t-mobile 4 years str8, when I left them I switched to sprint. There's no chance I'd go back to the pink. C'mon sprint/clear the people want to see some action. I can't believe these bastards branded themselves as the "worlds first 4G network" and just stopped giving a crap lol

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[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
We are stuck with no bandwidth caps.

Those speeds are pointless with such a low bandwidth cap.

No thanks.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I agree its just crazy to see such insane speeds coming from our phones. I mean the best home internet speeds is about 20mbps with att uverse in my town atm.

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[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You know there are tons of people who don't use over 5GB. If you got home internet and wifi at work, you will almost never find yourself going over that in-between. Look at the data usage thread.