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[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
its not "custom kernels", but, NON moto signed kernels.

but as i thoght, second init allows custom kernels (a friend installed MIUI on his defy, and i saw no mention of a 2.2.2 kernel on that 2.3.4 rom :P)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sifon187:
In the thick of things, is a non Moto kernel still a custom kernel.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lurchbyrep:
Yes, it is.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xXxSamxXx:
Does tenfar and kholk have twitter?

Sent from my Rooted, Chilled, Webtop Modded, and GreyBlured Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G Android Development] timfoote:
Very exciting! I'm looking at getting an Atrix in the next few weeks so this will confirm my decision :)

Keep up the good work
[Atrix 4G Android Development] brunnogama:
So, sorry for my noob question. When we have (fingers crossed) the bootloader unlocked, can we mod the webtop? Like install other more recent Ubuntu version for exemple?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] rjayflo:
Atrix #1!!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SN4K3B1T3:
Kholk does but he rarely updates...gendarmes I don't know...you could search

Sent from my GreyBlurred Bell Atrix
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
So basically it means that bootmenu exploit works and we can run CWM, now we have to make it trough 2nd boot.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
Here are the screenshots of CWM on atrix.

More screenshots here:

http://bit.ly/lILdXh
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CaelanT:
The 1080p looks like sh*te cos it's only 24fps. Better using the 720p at 30fps till Moto releases 1080p update.

Sent from WinBorg 4G via XDA premium app
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ikenley:
Zexbig,

Are you able to tell us what extent Tenfar will go to?

Will he just get 2nd Init working and leave the custom Rom to someone else or will Tenfar build CM7 or Similar?

Because if he only intends on getting 2nd Init working we should start scouting the forums and see if someone can start on building the Rom.

Last question. The methods that Tenfar is looking at will only utilise existing Kernel right? It won't allow us to change the Kernel itself, that's the Kexec exploit right?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] holtenc:
adb functionality retracted?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
i'm pretty sure 2nd init can specify a second kernel to run from
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ikenley:
I was looking at the 2nd Init port on the Defy and it doesn't look like it changes the Kernel.

I believe the reason there is a team working on the Kexec method, when Tenfar already got Bootmenu going (starting stages of 2nd Init), was because you were still stuck with Motorola kernel.

I am happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
Im pretty sure the cm7 port for the defy (posible because of 2nd init) still uses Motorola 2.2.1 kernel, and i even read that people were exited about the 2.3.3 leak cause they would be able to get a newer kernel.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
Adb is WORKING
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sifon187:
We need some breakin news music in the background each time you post.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
so how close does this make us yo having a functional 2ndinit?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
Status is the following:

Adb is working.

We have cwm running trough AC charging bug, bootmenu is working and we are able to stop init before running motorola kernel.

Tenfar is now working on adjusting bootmenu to start second kernel.

Motorola source code for kernel is avaliable publicly here.

I don't from which version this kernel is comming (I assume from 1.26 ROM).

We should be able to compile it and add some interesting modules such is

support for CIFS, different file systems etc.

With this exploit we will have to leave /boot partition as is it is, becouse it's being check by bootloader for signature, BUT with tenfar work we may load different kernel which needs to be stored somewhere else (not on /boot partition).

Regarding support for CM7 and other rom's it should work but with some minor adjustment's. I think that is more likely that we should be able to

modify existing 2.2.2 rom and add custom kernel for it.

I will try to spare some time and compile motorola provided kernel and modify existing rom WITH and WITHOUT moto blur.

Third interesting idea is extending existing /osh partition where ubuntu lite (webtop) is residing in order to be able to install full latest ubuntu version.

Atrix is really revolutionary device with some functionality which can't be found

in any other device (webtop dock, fingerprint scanner etc.).

For additional information regarding tricks and webtop hack I recommend

reading articles on this sites http://a-trix.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

http://dev.toreishi.net/

Most important topic is running Gingerbread 2.3.x on Atrix and I think that

best bet for now is running CM7 until motorola release official 2.3 for atrix.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] s1mpd1ddy:
Can't wait to try out CM7... i wouldnt mind losing webtop functionality. My buddy has CM7 on his Incredible, and it makes his phone blazing fast -- imagine on a dual-core!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Gutterball:
LOL I just put CM7 on my little girls virgin mobile optimus v lol but can't for my atrix yet! hopefully soon enough with these guys working on it that will all change! The cm roms are indeed very nice. I have cm6 on my ****ty backflip and it greatly improved that phone!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nitrox1:
Well they haven't quite got it working on gx2, or ox2 and that's with team douche, so I'm sure it will take a while for who ever undertakes this effort.

Desire is the source of all suffering.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sifon187:
Zexbig, since we have to put the custom rom in an different location, would using the external sdcard.as a mount point and creating the filesystem there be an option? (similar to HD2 running android off the sdcard)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CyberPunk7t9:
Borrowing a screen shot of the Atrix CWM from one of Nottach's theme previews.. Read there.. it says twitter@tenfar
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
This is old version of CWM loader from tenfar. We are looking for updated version :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
Small issue that tenfar bumped into is how to access /dev/fb0 becouse on tegra there is no way to access it directly from program.

Maybe somebody know's how this is done on motorola xoom since this is same platform as atrix (tegra 2).
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bearsfan172:
It would seem that one bigrushdog was the man behind porting CWM to the xoom, so I'm guessing he would be the man to ask. Here is his thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1038870
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sentinel79:
First thing I do when I wake up check this thread on m HTC Aria

... almost choked when I saw the CWM screens!

Anyways, I had my Kaiser and eventually my Topaz running android at some point and it could have been the phones but for some reason I suspect residing in the sdcard may result in some performance loss. I did partition a swap and ext3 though so it wasn't to bad. I'm down with the sdcard method but could someone with more knowledge speak about performance issues we may face?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] markpv:
I believe that since our external storage is built in on the phone so we won't have an issue. I could be wrong though.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] GabrialDestruir:
It would depend on SD Card speeds, system optimization, etc. The Nook Color has the ability to natively boot from SDCard and with slower cards you can end up with FCs a lot. I haven't tried with a faster card or a more optimized system but from what I've seen they tend to run better.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
I think that atrix have enough of free internal storage so we dont need to use / sdcard or /sdcard-ext
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ikenley:
Once again, thank you so much for the update. I really appreciate all the work you & Tenfar are doing.

Sent from my Atrix (in Australia)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] LordOfTheSnatch:
Felt the need to bump...any new news?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mgamerz:
Obviously not.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] stvmac11:
Possibly a dumb question.... but what's the difference between this new CWM and the one tenfar previously released?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] neer2005:
Hopefully this one will allow us to bypass the bootloader meaning custom ROMs a la CM7
[Atrix 4G Android Development] stvmac11:
right on.

so newer CWM --> (hopefully) 2nd init --> bypass signature checking --> custom (maybe kernels)/ROMs --> Android heaven :D

Edit: I meant custom kernels loosely. :p
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
I still belive 2nd init did not provide custom kernels for the defy.

This is the miui kernel, which I believe is a Froyo one (not sure if It's a MOTO one tho)

2.6.32-gbc356f0 hudsoncm@il93Inxdroid54 #1 sun mar 6 05:04:19 CST

The leaked defy 2.3.3 Rom has a 2.6.32 kernel tho...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] BravoMotorola:
Exactly. Thats what I trying to say earlier. It doesn't I don't know why everyone thinks it does
[Atrix 4G Android Development] the2dcour:
Oh cmon, you can't come up with one reason why everyone thinks it does?

Optimistic is the most complimentary term I can come up with, but there are a few others that are more accurate and I wont bother to post.

edit: which isn't to say that I wont wholeheartedly enjoy having second init =)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] BravoMotorola:
LOL:D

..........
[Atrix 4G Android Development] the2dcour:
edit: kernels
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
Just to clarify issue with custom kernels.

Currently there is no point in developing custom kernel because we can't flash it

until we have CWM + bootmenu.

First version of CWM which we all are using enables us to flash custom rom and this is only related to files on /system partition.

So we can modify them or remove them (to the certain extent) but we can't

replace whole OS because we don't know what how and will it work with motorola stock kernel.

With tenfar's work on bootmenu and 2init we should be able to start different OS.

So community can start developing it's own rom's and kernels, and this is the whole point.

In order to be able to customize this phone beyond the limits which motorola and carriers has imposed on us we need to complete this first step (bootmenu + CWM) and then actual development can start.

P.S. there is more than enough free space on /system partition to put custom kernel ;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ikenley:
Once again thanks for the update. Did Tenfar ever overcome the /dev/fb... thingy that was slowing him down?

What else does he need from the community? I think we're all eager to help him succeed in anyway we can.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tenfar:
you are right! i need to make clear that. 2ndinit can not load custom kernels. but kexec maybe can. if we can manage to get 2ndinit and kexec working together we can load custom kernel and custom system, the 2ndinit can use stock kernel to boot custom system like CyanogenMod. that's how the defy's CM7 port is working.

for now i am trying to make 2ndinit to work. i can not open /dev/graphics/fb0 for write. i got some kernel message the their is a atag tag allow_open_fb is set to 0 in normal boot process. but in charge mode,i think it's set to 1, so we can init graphic interface of recovery.

i will update if i got major progress. Thank you all for your help!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
i was going to insist that the moto defy has no custom kernels with 2nd init, in a more extended way, but then tenfar said it all :P
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
So we will stick with charger mode for now?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] LordOfTheSnatch:
So my question is this...is anyone working on the cm7 port or any other rom (to the extent that we can)? Its been a long wait to where we are and I imagine it would suck to get past the bootloader only to have to wait for the roms...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Wond3r:
It would suck to work on any ROMS and find out this method doesnt work and we still cant flash any
[Atrix 4G Android Development] darkamikaze:
^ this.

lol seriously..one at a time! Rome wasn't built in a day.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
I'm still confused on what we'd be missing if we don't have custom kernels (until kexec possibly gets up and running)? Would a custom kernel be more efficient and provide better performance than stock? Would it communicate with our custom ROM of choosing better?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] LordOfTheSnatch:
This is true...sorry; had a little cart before the horse moment. ;-)

Just trying to think ahead. Its only a matter of time before kexec or 2nd init yield results.

By the way, the only reason Rome wasn't built in a day is because the workers and slaves building it weren't powered by tegra 2 dual core processors...just saying.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drumercalzone09:
That's definitely a possibility. Custom ROMs usually get better battery life too. The big one though is that we can use custom ROMs built off Gingerbread (2.3) before Motorola provides us with an official upgrade. So it allows us to continue upgrading our phones after Motorola has dropped support for it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
Ah I see. so perhaps for the time being, we shouldn't really be missing them too much? And hopefully in the not too far future, something like kexec will eventually allow us to use them!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] franciscojavierleon:
mindphaze developed a screen capture app that works on the atrix by overcoming this limitation, so he should know how to do it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] drumercalzone09:
Oh! And a big one I left out: we can get rid of motoblur and run stock android.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
Well I figured the ROMs themselves would do that.. I was mostly curious what just the kernels could do for us.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix using the XDA app
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
anyone know if Tenfar got his Atrix yet?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sentinel79:
I'm sure custom kernel would be a great performance booster especially with overclocking but just replacing the OS would probably yield performance boost alone. Just looking at the defy forum and Quarx's contribution makes me very optimistic about Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mgamerz:
Kernel upgrades are required for upgraded versions of android.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G on the network with the most backhaul, whatever that is
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lunzi88:
pardon me if i'm wrong cos I'm still quite new at this, but didn't the unoffical cyanogen mod7 for the milestone used a froyo kernel despite it being a GB build?

No offence intended here, just trying to clarify things up.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Jotokun:
Your supposed to use a kernel designed for a specific version of Android, ex. a 2.3.3 kernel with a 2.3.3 version of Android, but it is possible to use an older kernel with a newer system. It might not necessarily be stable and there's potential for some things to not work, but if the changes are minimal between the kernels it would for the most part work.

So we could get newer versions of Android and still use an older kernel (what the Defy roms are doing), but from a stability and long term usability standpoint, proper version kernels would be much better.

Its possible I'm wrong here, admittedly I'm speaking from my experience with Hackintosh computers (since in the early days they used older kernels with newer systems for minor upgrades) and it could be different with Android. But they're both unix based, so I'm sure the same principles apply.

You'd also miss out on things like overclocking by sticking with the Motorola kernels.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
not really 100% correct

CM6 for the milestone used 2.1 kernel

CM7 for the milestone uses 2.2 kernel

You can't use kernel dependant features, but it "works"

For example, cm6 with 2.1 kernel had no wifi hotspot

you are correct

I am not aware of features from 2.3.* that are kernel dependant, but who knows

even motorola 2.3.3 leak for the defy has a 2.2.2 kernel.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
Hmmm well lack of custom kernels doesn't sound ideal, but it's a start for sure. Hopefully the kexec project can eventually get us what we want after this one is completed
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mgamerz:
I was about to cite nfc but you people beat my example.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G on the network with the most backhaul, whatever that is
[General Questions and Answers] ulkika:
ragazzi ho un dilemma atroce,per me i tel sono un po tutti uguali,anche perche negli ultimi anni ho sempre viaggiato sulla frontiera dei nuovi scambiando celllulari come fossero figurine della panini,mi trovo ora pero' difronte ad una scelta ardua,dovento vedere le partite in streaming mi serve un cellulare tra quelli a 4 pollici che abbia una buona,anzi la migliore ricezione,cio deto mi sono sempre domandato perche nello stilare le classifiche del piu trend,il piu figo ecc ecc non vi siate mai chiesti ma sti cell come ricevono?non parlo chiaramente della ricezione nelle grandi citta,ma di quella generale fuori citta,in movimento,ieri stavo per fare uno scambio tra il mio galaxy tab ed un galaxy s attrattto dal cell e dal fatto che la batteria fosse duratura a confronto con gli altri quando mi sono reso conto che il segnale dbm differiva di circa 10 punti nello stesso identico punto del marciapiede.ora vi chiedo qual'e' il migliore celllulare in ricezione del segnale dbm.io sto per cambiare con un nexus s e forse dopo con un desire hd,mi fate sapere come ricevono il segnale?
[HTC Incredible S] jkolner:
Just wanted to tell you about this realy helpful little app called In-App Wifi Toggle.

I didn't make it og anything, i just think its the easist way to enable/disable wifi.
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
Surely it's a lot easier to use quick settings, and you don't have to download anything extra?
[HTC Incredible S] jkolner:
Nope, just install and restart.

Iv'e had it for 2 weeks now, and it works every time and in all apps.
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
I don't think you understood what I meant, if you drag down the taskbar, there is a quick settings tab, you can toggle wi-fi from there and you don't have to install anything to do it, it comes as standard.
[HTC Incredible S] vontdeux:
i don't think he can use your custom ROM yet LP....

he is S-ON phone..(signature)
[HTC Incredible S] vido.ardes:
Doesn't matter, it's a feature of the stock ROM
[HTC Incredible S] vontdeux:
you mean stock ROM for gingerbread right?

it is on sense 2.1 but not on froyo though..

i dont know, he might not know it (if he has 2.3.3)

or he prefer to toggle it from homescreen.. hehehe..
[HTC Incredible S] jkolner:
I have 2.3.3 and think is easier to toggle Wifi from a shortcut then to drag down the curtain - that all.

P.S.: i have just got my phone S-OFF today and is in the progress to get Root. After that im flashing l0st.prophet's ROM ;-)
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
Hi my Desire S is S-off with XTC CLIP, I have flashed new with leaked European ROM and now MMS can't be sent or received.

OTA update done and same problem.

Checked MMS APN and all settings are ok !

Who as the same problem ?

Edit: Without changes problem resolved ... Operator did fix It in MMS-C. Case closed
[HTC Desire S] sonikz:
What network are you on? Have you tried a factory reset?
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
I'm on Swisscom and tryed factory reset and reflash again. :(
[HTC Desire S] Dr.Romca:
See again(:) ) if you have your APNs set, you may have flashed a CID - incorrect RUU which would not have those... look on your provider website to see how to set them up ;) It is most probably because of this... Especially if mobile connection works...
[HTC Desire S] adridu59:
+1

Take a look here : swisscom.ch/...

Or try using these settings :
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
Thank you to all :-)

I'm technician and work by Swisscom Mobile :-) All parameters are correct :-(

Checked also my SIM parameters in Operator database.

Deleted all APN and manually created the MMS APN .... deleted all APN's and restored a Backup of all APN that was made with original Swisscom Firmware ... no luck.....

I'm relatively new in Android (i cooked a lot for WinMobile) ... unfurtunately i didn't backup my original Swisscom Firmware (i did only System backup)

I must learn ... read read read ... and maybe solve the problem ...
[HTC Desire S] Dr.Romca:
And does the mobile connection work (data)? Because if it does, it is the same principal just with other settings...

I'd try re-downloading and re-flashing the RUU, factory reset etc...Either the connection is broken or the app is broken ;)
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
Hi, the data connection works for a while ... after one or two hours no more GPRS .... only a softreset solve this problem for another hour ....

Also this 38.03.02.15_M changed too ... maybe it isn't compatible with Swisscom Network ....

hmmm ....
[HTC Desire S] adridu59:
Anyway that's weird...
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
Ok ... bad news for me ....

1 Flashed [ROM] 05-20-2011 LBC MOD SAGA v0.4.2 -> i have same problem with MMS :-(

Wow I like this ROM !!!

2 Flashed Swisscom ROM Backup back (system) and Build 1.32.166.1 .... all Swisscom parameters are there as new .... Swisscom Logo ... and MMS doesn't work !!!!! :eek:

Now ... where is the Problem ???? The Radio maybe ????

What do you think ?
[HTC Desire S] loveboatcaptain:
i can confirm that mms are working with my rom

here a little screenshot:

View attachment 602578

seems to be a problem with

a) the restored backup

b) your apn settings

c) your provider has problems with the net at the moment

:-( hope you find a way
[HTC Desire S] gkaipale:
I had the same problem until 2 hours ago.

Flash Sense 3.0 SMS by seo. It worked for me.
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
Sorry for my stupid question ... but ... this resolved the MMS problem ?

Where to find Flash Sense 3.0 SMS by seo ???

Searched with google ... but ....

I'm desperated ... flashed back all same as received from Swisscom

Radio 38.03.02.15_M

HBoot 0.98.0000

Swisscom System back

XTC Clip again

CID is 11111111

Lock Flag [00]

Region ID [0]

LCM ID [0]

Thank you and regards
[HTC Desire S] Dr.Romca:
I've found the original thread, try there :)
[HTC Desire S] gkaipale:
Look in Loveboatcaptain's post.

He has made some flashable zip's for it.

Try anyone, I used Sense SMS 0.8.

Any previous version whould work as well.
[HTC Desire S] gkaipale:
My problem started after I upgraded my radio to the latest ver.

I could not send MMS, it was causing fcs and was closing my data connection each time i was trying to send MMS. SMS was working fine.

So I gave it a shot.And it worked!
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
Hi many thanks for the information :-)

Tryed Sense3_Mms-0.9.zip but no luck :-(

My Radio now is 38.03.02.15_M .... same as Swisscom Original.

What is your Radio version ? Maybe another radio works with Sense3_Mms-0.9.zip

Thank you
[HTC Desire S] gkaipale:
My radio is

20.28d.30.0805U_3805.04.02.01_M
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
ROM DUMP Desire S needed (MISC Partition at least)

Hi Guys, after a lot of tests and google reading .... i think that my problem is in MISC partition. A parameter is wrong ...

Now i was a big stupid and made only a DUMP of SYSTEM partition :-(

Is there some one that can make a ROM DUMP as described here :

http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-backup-your-android-phones-boot-recovery-and-system-partition-images/

And send it to me (or with FileServe ; megaupload ;...) ?

Many thanks for your Help !

I hope that a restore of MISC partition can solve my problem.

If i am completly wrong ... explain me please :-)

Thanks
[HTC Desire S] tbzdat00:
Hi Folk, a little step forward to my MMS Problem .... i flashed another boot.img from here http://www.android-hilfe.de/root-ha...532-boot-root-s-off-unsecured-boot-image.html

And now MMS works perfect !!! :D

But ... hey ... :eek: my WLAN give me Error and can't power up :eek:

Arrrrrgggghhhhhh :mad: