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[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Actually, BB 2.1.65 is the most recent release on the official AT&T branded 2.1 update. Interesting...
[XPERIA X10 General] Rash-182:
I´m really hoping that the FPS will be raised. If not, then i am going to buy Optimus Black (for good deal)
[XPERIA X10 General] tayub:
Cooolllll this video just made my day . Although the BB is 2.1.65 but still it smooooooth
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
I just heard today that release is due some time in second half of august, so there's still time to improve the ROM. This comes from a good friend on the inside, not working in software development though but has got over 10 years in the company. This scource also tells me that the guys in dev really DO listen to us on their blog site and it IS thanks to consumer fedback and request we are getting 2.3,. So imo, be nice to them, show interest, but dont expect everything, they are trying their best to please us all.
[XPERIA X10 General] abdurahman:
but that's end q3, they said end q2/beginning q3????
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Are you kidding me...it looks much smoother than 2.1.

Also, I think there still may be some improvements. I haven't given up hope yet.

Also you can't make out the FPS from a vid, derp. If the video camera recording the phone goes at 30FPS, then it'll obviously be hard to judge the phone's FPS itself.
[XPERIA X10 General] ooidort:
Compare it to the arc video by the same user. Not even near as smooth, stutters and is just plain slow. Just as 2.1.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
I didn't see a single stutter in that video. Maybe one missed transition, that's it, everything else is okay.

Obviously it won't be as fast as the arc, but right now it looks MUCH better than 2.1.
[XPERIA X10 General] t3ej4y:
May I ask what is the source of this information?:) Did J say it or did the CM team write about it? If this is true it would be great for our x10s!
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I meant developed for our x10's :p I don't know if CyanogenMod is also going to develop for us. I think they will.
[XPERIA X10 General] tayub:
16 million color confirmed . Watch the video and keep the eye on the description of the x10 beside 4' screen it written 16 million
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Yes I think I can confirm that. Also seems then fps cap has been removed or raised. (For me it seems like)
[XPERIA X10 General] Eugene1991:
Wow u noticed that? Just re-watched the video and I just saw 16. Oh man let's hope it's true!
[XPERIA X10 General] t3ej4y:
I'm praying it's not a funky Thai character that looks like '16' :p
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
"dear all

soon we will merge freexperia project with main CyanogenMod git

this will bring lots of developers together helping each other fixing all small remaining bugs" (Post 18)

J

J mentioned that in the Modaco-forum :cool:

http://android.modaco.com/content/s...7-0-3-j022-k011-k012-gingerbread-2-3-3-final/
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Great right :)!
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Jerpelea himself said it over at the Modaco forums.

Sounds true to me! :)

EDIT: Oooops! I finished second! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Now I am sincerely thankful to SE for what they are doing.

I don't care if it's stuck at the old kernel, 16M colors....that was a big one, and I'm 99.99% sure that that screengrab from the video confirms it.

UNLESS, playing devil's advocate here, but unless that translates to '16 million color CAPABLE screen'.

That would be not so good.

But SE have changed their ways and I'm pretty sure that that is a confirmation :D
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
What if it's changed to 16.3k colours :p!
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
My bet is on 16bit colors = 2^16 = 65536 colors
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
More like middle of q3. But yes it seems to be a bit later then previosly said.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
I don't understand why they'd say that though..it's not a common word and not 'impressive', 16 mil sounds more impressive so would be in the description.

You may be right though (although I wish not)
[XPERIA X10 General] t3ej4y:
One thing though...why would a demo unit promoting a phone that is currently being sold (assuming it's being sold there from the price tag present) be running a software that is currently unavailable? won't that be misleading buyers:p though of course it COULD be labelled as 'can be updated in future'... but still I find it highly unorthodox that a demo unit would be running a software version not immediately available, especially when said model is and has been on the market for so long, not like it's some hands-on for a yet-unreleased unit.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Anyone speaking Thai here to translate what's actually written on there?
[XPERIA X10 General] cyberinsane:
i think its old brochure... dey must hav replaced the phone jst for display sake :(

also on brochure its writen all ur media at 1 place.... thats d tag line for mediascape(jst drooping my ballz :D )... as far as i know its being replaced with default gallery and music app in 2.3 :confused:

sorry for being so negative and taking away all d pun :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Dopinus:
Only for generic...

Just wondering if the uppdate only will work for generic and not for operator specific phones.

I live in Sweden and have 3 (Tre) as operator.

Do I have to flash/root it to generic before I can get the update or should I NOT do that. Have read some scary post about the lockout of phones trying just that.
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
just wait until it comes out and everything will be clear
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Meh, it's fun trying to figure this out. I doubt it's 16m colors.

Anyways, I tried a little detective work... couldn't find anything about the number of colors or bits of the current screen on SE's thai website for the X10 (just looking for numbers and whatnot).

I used an online translator and it translated 'million' into 'ล้าน' which kinda looks like the word in the image.

Again, I would be really surprised if it was 16 million colors.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Now when a fellow member on swedroid.se went out with the news I thought I could do the same.

X10 will have new kernel (confirmed by a meber on swedroid wich have contracts with a tester on SE and he confirmed new kernel)

X10 will have open bootloader :D (confirmed by a SE worker)

More to come ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] paolo599:
i wish i could believe this. provide proof please
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
I don't care if you don't believe me or not, you just have to wait and see and when you see it you will know I talked the truth :) its kind a hard to give you proof when nothing is out yet, but the info comes from Sony Ericsson staff..
[XPERIA X10 General] paolo599:
well i find it very hard to believe
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Like I said you will see, and then after you have seen I talked the truth you maby got little more faith in people.
[XPERIA X10 General] lukesjeans:
I trust you. You dont seem to lie in your other posts. Too bad i got rid of my x10 and got the arc. Cant wait to update my fathers X10 to it!
[XPERIA X10 General] a1exander:
If this is true its... awesome! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
thanks :) yes this is amazing SE have really listen to there customers :) thanks for believeing in me :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
yes its true that about the bootloader I have my self got confirmed by a friend on SE and new kernel has holck confirmed on swedroid from his friend who has an test version of gingerbread from SE

Swedish translation;

Ja det är sant, bootloadern har jag själv fått bekräftat från en polare på SE och det om ny kernel har holck bekräftat på swedroid.se han fick informationen från någon han känner att test versionen av gingerbread har ny kernel och han är en intern testare av gingerbread på Sony Ericsson.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
WOOOOOO!

Celebrate good times come on!!
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
I believe the new kernel part but not so much the opened bootloader.

I though SE had legal obligations to some companies NOT to open the bootloader, right?
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Wait and see ;) arc have open bootloader do they not have obligations there to? And why do you think not all get the update? Only generic?

But just wait and see and you will find out that I talked the truth.

Why would I make my self look like an idiot and destroy my name? And lie? I have no reason to lie..
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
If I'm not wrong SE did it different with the 2011 Xperias and how the handled the bootloader.

But I will believe you :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Thats true :) but I can't say to much but the bootloader will be open on X10 ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
THANKS!!!!!! :)

Not only for the good news but because I've been saying over and over again,

that it would make absolutely no sense for any company to provide

a "Gingerbread" firmware running on a kernel 2 major versions behind (aka Eclair)!

As far as the bootloader is concerned, I really hope you are right,

that kind of move would breathe new life to our X10s and it would save me

a load of money from buying a new phone for at least 1 year -or more! :D :)

Thanks for sharing the information with us!

:eek:

That actually sounds reasonable... WOW! Getting impatient...!!!!!! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] eureka9092000:
Sorry for asking noob questions..why we need to open bootloader when we already bypassed it??what the advantages of open it??
[XPERIA X10 General] batman_112:
So that you don't have to bypass it.
[XPERIA X10 General] rizwanzz:
please try to get some information about if we are getting proper drivers for multitouch.
[XPERIA X10 General] abdurahman:
We should ban Xperia84 if it turns out he was lying! /sarcasm

Just kidding guys I totally believe you and I've never been so happy about my X10 than when I read your post!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] anantshri:
would be great if bootloader is unlocked however i have doubts on technical aspects of how they could achieve it.... but lets leave it aside hope what you say is true.....
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
There are limits to our method
[XPERIA X10 General] josephislee:
@Rizwanzz I'm almost certain that our X10's hardware is capable of Dual Touch at max. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Very correct indeed

This limitation is mainly related to the digitizer,our digitizer is very oudated and can only support dualtouch at max with some problems when two points are crossing

cheers,

L
[XPERIA X10 General] rizwanzz:
digitizer? software ot hardware?
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
holcken's on xda as well (and still following things in here passively it seems ;)) and he told me the same thing some time ago: open bootloader and new kernel. As a source, he sounds very valid to me. He also pronounced the open bootloaders of future SE phones before even one word was out in the net at all and when SE was still only known for locking down quite everything. Just look at his post from 25th March 2011:

^ Not really GB related, only to verify him as a good source ;)

I'm not sure about that. zdzihu, in whom I obviously trust very much as well, stated that our digitizer most probably isn't Clearpad 2000 (the only-DT-capable one) like everyone thought. So there's still a slight chance, even though I also fear DT will stay the max we get. Sorry, I'm too lazy now to search this post as well. But it's out there somewhere ;)

Regards

qwer23
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Spoken like a true superhero. :-)

The generic kits getting open bootloader on the X10 like SE new devices makes sense in theory, but I am pretty sure the ARC bootloader can't be opened on a sim locked phone flashed with generic firmware. If it happens, it will probably only work on certain devices.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Spoken like a true superhero. :-)

The generic kits getting open bootloader on the X10 like SE new devices makes sense in theory, but I am pretty sure the ARC bootloader can't be opened on a sim locked phone flashed with generic firmware. If it happens, it will probably only work on truly generic X10's.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13510919&postcount=1601

http://talk.sonyericsson.com/thread/17081?tstart=0

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13457080&postcount=1588
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
+1 I don't doubt holcken either about the kernel question, but for the bootloader question I know for shore that X10 will get it :D I have asked my friend on SE about some other stuff lets see if he tells me..
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
xda forum app definitely needs a thanks function. So... thanks ;)

Sent from my rooted X10i using awesome custom roms
[XPERIA X10 General] anders260:
+1 Thanks:D
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Very nice links.

If my memory is correct,i've seen some disamble of X10 and shown that X10 does have the Clearpad 2000 digitizer.may be not all the X10 use Clearpad 2000 digitizer?

Also,if our digitizers are fully capable with MT,I am wondering why we have shifting when two finger cross?If indeed our X10 can fully support that it must be the kernel issue......the lovely SE give a problematic DT to us instead of a fully working one...just want to sell more LT15?:(

For the consideration of opening bootloader,I dun have too much hope.May be SE will eventually unlock it,but long long time later,like HTC.At that time I should already have a new phone.may be Nexus Xperia(I really want google cooperate with SE:p)

cheers,

L
[XPERIA X10 General] t3ej4y:
+1 to the nexus xperia thing... se has good phone design, unique and slick too. If they can get their mind off differentiating for once and work with google to make a nexus it'd be awesome.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
The DT we got is the exact same as the Nexus One and HTC Desire have.

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI.

It's true that SE is slow, but for people with long contracts or people that actually can't and/or don't want to buy a new phone, such advances will be welcome, I'm sure! :)

+1 on the Nexus Xperia, but maybe SE will have to work on some more android devices and gain more experience and flexibility before Google trusts here with a flagship of hers!
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Why do we, Sony erricsons old flagship device have a crappy screen when the x10 mini pro has real MT
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Yes,I know that our DT is the same as N1/Desire.

We only have to confirm what is the digitizer we have

cheers,

L
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Good question! :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Just out of curiosity, how many fingers are supported by x10 mini pro? And i get it there's no crossing bug?

Sent from my rooted X10i using awesome custom roms
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
http://xperiaminicyanogen.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/multitouch-mini-pro/

Mad
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
All we need to do is find the right driver for the x10.

I don't think SE would have given the x10 a worse digitizer than the mini pro.

The price difference is way too big.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Well, at least it is rumoured that we have the unlocked bootloader by summer. So we can amend that part of the kernel if it still has that cross-axis problem and not a hardware issue?
[XPERIA X10 General] Flo95:
Are there any news about the 32fps cap?

If it'll be in 2.3.3 or not?
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
It will probably be there they wouldn't dare take a chance in letting our x10 overdue the arc
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
One more thing that this links tells us is that while our community

was playing witch-hunt with the locked bootloader,

the X10 mini/pro/X8 community focused on building modules

which enhanced the devices greatly. Heck, even X8 with a digitiser

incapable of dual touch, got "fake dualtouch" that actually works like

a charm for pinch to zoom. Trust me, I've tried it.

I mean absolutely no disrespect to ours developers' elaborate work,

all I am saying is that sometimes looking for one tree,

kind of makes you miss the forest...
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
people talking about Nexus Xperia..

do you guys know before approaching HTC, Google came to SE to make Nexus but SE rejected...saying they will go with their own line of phones and won't be able to support google.

search on internetland,you will see the full news
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I think whats more embarrassing is having a few talented people here develop better software and getting more bang for our buck than SE's stock firmware.

If SE releases the multitouch drivers +1000 for them.

If a XDA developer makes the driver +1000 for that developer -100000 for SE.
[XPERIA X10 General] abdurahman:
I know, seriously the x10 mini even got clockwork mod! But i think when gingerbread comes out things will change and we will have much better roms!
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
If you are talking about this : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1105745, then it is the same as xrecovery 1.0. Both are chargemon based..
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Sorry but i don't agree. You are saying modules are better than custom kernels ?? The devs here(FreeXperia team and others) I am sure they could have made modules if they wanted to but they are working on bringing .32/.37 to our devices. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] hierarchy666:
SE.... what the hell is wrong with you... damn!
[XPERIA X10 General] abdurahman:
I'm sure they were kicking themselves over that one
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I'm do f*ckin agree that SE will unlock the bootloader for the x10. Why?! Because only GENERIC TRADE KITS will get this update, just like the Arc etc that are bootloader unlocked. I already knew this, but nobody here on XDA mentioned about this.

Also I'm sure that the x10 is atleast capable of FULL DUAL TOUCH. And not the crappy dual touch, it just needs some nice drivers.

EDIT:

And after they announced that only generic trade kits(that are on GB) will get the bootloader unlocked they announced GB for the x10....
[XPERIA X10 General] viper619:
+1000

viper
[XPERIA X10 General] cyberinsane:
<noob>

i have a orange branded x10.... i unlocked it with unlock code(dose it make my phone generic o.o ??) and debranded it with uk generic filmware.... will i b able to unlock d bootloader in future....:confused:

</noob>
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Yes I think so, btw its not noob to ask questions its noob to not ask them :D
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
This is exactly what I said. They made tremendous efforts for a whole year,

and there is not a single custom kernel that has EVERYTHING working or doesn't cause battery drain/issues.

Of course if they wanted, they could compile modules, I never said the opposite.

All I said is that they concentrated on something that didn't

pay them off equally to their efforts.

And at the end of the day, we are all waiting for the stock GB kernel to work with.

Now, would it be so bad to have iptables and netfilter and overclock already implemented in the stock kernel via modules? I'm just saying...

Again, I mean no disrespect and I am not a developer myself, so yeah, I could be way off. It's just my opinion though.

The unlock is a procedure that generates a code based on your IMEI, so initially no, you won't be able to unlock it.

I am sure there'll be a workaround though... :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fedekite:
.

i hope they improve multitouch
[XPERIA X10 General] pcfanboy142:
words of wisdom
[XPERIA X10 General] falkner:
Great News!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Dopinus:
Even tho they havn't said that it will ONLY be for GENERIC, but they did say that at FIRST it will only be avaible for GENERIC. People with Branded phones have to wait or perhaps not get it... This will result in many customers complaining about this, if they won't get the update at all.

That would be a very not-smart idea by SE if this will be true.

Most people that have this phone have it branded, cause of the economy.

I do hope this will be as with the last 2.1 update, took about 1 month or so (can't remember) for everyone to have it.

I do think they will open it for all brands eventually. But not at start cause of the high bandwith the servers will have to endure on release day.
[XPERIA X10 General] john398:
It didnt cost me anything to unbrand my phone, I am wondering why you say bceause of the econiomy, I rather pay for a subsidezed phone any day and unbrand it, I am sure most people dont even know they can buy unbranded phones.....
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Sony Ericsson has stated it would ONLY be available for generic kits.

But I've heard confirming reports from the Swedish devisions of these carriers: 3, Telenor and Telia. That they will bring the Gingerbread update out for their carrier branded phones.

How long it's gonna take them to do it, is another side. But probably as long, if not longer as it did for them to release the 2.1 branded firmware.
[XPERIA X10 General] x016x:
I can't wait for this, I refuse to use the custom 2.3 roms. I don't know what's the big deal, the original SE stock 2.1 update is plenty fast. =]
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
That is so wrong on so many levels.

Stock = 540 benchmark score

VS

2.2 rom = 1375 benchmark score

Please... just no.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Not to mention

2.1 Stock 540 2.1 custom 850
[XPERIA X10 General] rederik79:
Yes for me now the 2.1 with the last baseband is a nice software and the phone working fawless. Waiting the stock 2.3.3
[XPERIA X10 General] abdurahman:
Only reason i'm still on 2.1 is because I use my phone's camera a lot. Anyways with erickwill's custom kernel the phone really flies!
[XPERIA X10 General] azrull:
hey guys, check this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TenGJ3mFhNs&feature=player_embedded
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Search ? Was posted before :)
[XPERIA X10 General] tot31:
you slow poke, this video has been posted in this thread before.....:p

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=14424217&postcount=221
[XPERIA X10 General] azrull:
oh my..poor me..:(
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Guys, I got confirmation from a Thai speaking member here that that DOES IN FACT say '16 Million Colors'!

Sweeet!
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Yes,I am in that post too.

But will it like last time,one demo LT15 shows Android version 2.4 in setting?:D

cheers,

L
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Link please?
[XPERIA X10 General] zabihjan:
what is all the fuss,

J's CM7 works perfect, only problem is battery and camera.

so use it for the time being till the actual thing comes out and when it comes it will need another 3 or 4 updates to be stable. too bad they dont hire any devs like j or trip or z to work for SE so they get things done in an instant.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
The point is, we need the sources from the official update (kernel, drivers) to get those problems sorted, and for some people the phone is the only thing that they take pictures with, so having a low-res camera is not good enough for them (not saying the devs are bad, they did what they could on that already).
[XPERIA X10 General] LegibleEel:
Erm...did anyone notice in that video of the x10 on 2.3, the kernal was 2.6.29?
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
If the rumors are true and the advertising is true (it better be, or we can sue SE for false advertising), the X10 will get 16 Million colours, updated kernel and unlocked bootloader (last 2 are claims, which I believe, by user Xperia84).

Those are the three things the devs haven't been able to do, and if those three are checked, the devs will get them, along with camera sources, and make this phone amazing.

So in short, this update is kinda a big deal.
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
For a lot of people (myself included) "perfect" means "perfect", with no if's or but's...

The devs here have made wonderful improvements to this phone. Froyo does run "perfect" on some ROM's but GB does not... and at this point it's easier for them to wait for SE to release a GB compatible kernel with everything working and then start improving it again.

I have no problem sticking with Froyo for a few more weeks and have EVERYTHING working until SE comes out with GB. Can't wait to see what they'll be able to do on top of that!! =)