yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Dude that person and those posts are not me..

You fail.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Similar big ****ing woop.

Now please get a life.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
See.. told you this dude has a agenda.

Case closed.

Let me guess you were banned and now your back.
[XPERIA X10 General] blakwhite:
Frankly, we couldn't be more on topic than this as there are no new news for the thread.

This post is to get in-between the fire.
[XPERIA X10 General] muratbaizhanov:
now i really worry bout getting gb on our x10

desire gb devs also showed pre-releases of 2.3 for desire but at the end abandoned from finishing

do u think se can do the same?

ps: some of u still think that in 2.3 x10 will get full multitouch... R U SERIOUS?)))
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Well hopefully SE makes the right decisions.

It's doesn't really matter, the bootloader's limits are bad but it doesn't stop developers from doing too much.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Well we won't know unless we try.. all i know is if a device can still track 2 fingers after a third is applied, there must be a catch,

else all other positioning would be thrown off, in this case that is not happening.

All we can do is hope.

One day the device may be living up to it's full potential, maybe it's already reached it.. only time and development will tell.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Sounds like you had every phone ever.

Because you seem to have all the answers. :rolleyes:

Ironic how you dispute the bootloader and the multitouch but the 16 million colors no that's 100% plausible.:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] blakwhite:
I think companies should declare their timeframe of os updates right in the beginning of their device initiations.

Then we would know their true value and don't pay for it as much as a high-end notebook to not end up with a software-wise outdated unsupported device in 6 months.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
This has already been handled by Google, as it was also partly their fault. The phone companies didn't have control of when or how often Android got updated, nor the fact that Android updates were not "updates". They are completely new ROMs. Skinned Android was still in the development stages, which they fixed in the last two updates.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
No they don't have to. But they certainly must do it to keep up with their competitors.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
And plenty of people don't like vanilla android. I hope you can see that this argument is futile.

And trust me there is no such thing like "heavy skinning".

What could be holding companies behind in the Android updates game

is some tweaks and extra features and programs they add.

And they have every right to do so.

For vanilla Android and fast updates, there are always Google phones. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Yes, I agree, it's pretty much like this,

but on the other hand, at least in my opinion, Sense (HTC) and UXP (SE) are pretty nice to look at and for some people that matters a lot.

For me, looking at the awful orange highlights on a black background, the white statusbar with square black icons of the vanilla Android simply feels like burning my retina! :D :D :D

The general consistency of custom UIs is pretty welcome, imho.

Google is working in the direction of making Android pretty (finally), so maybe down the road, skins will be more or less useless. But not yet...
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
It's one thing if it's the dealership, it's another if it's the manufacturer.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Ahh ok, i misunderstood your post.

all good.

Question doesn't the manufacturer supply firmware sources?
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
The problem at first was Google allowed for the skins, but Android updates were not compatible with the skins. Android wasn't technically updated, it was upgraded. Google designed Android and also fixed Android to avoid this in the future, so how can you say they weren't involved in the problem? While we were all *****ing at SE for not updating us fast enough, the phone companies were *****ing at Google for rapidly releasing updates that requires the user to redevelop their customizations.

Edit: It's amazing how Office 97 and all my other programs on my old XP work on my new Windows7 laptop without any issues. Also, I get Win7 updates every day that don't effect anything I already have setup on my computer.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Just a little bit off-topic... but SO funny! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Yes, awesome, perfect, my thoughts exactly.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
HA HA HAAA!!

Thanx i needed some comedy.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You don't know the first thing about business. Companies have to compete for your business. They compete by differentiating themselves from the competition. That is 100 % why there are skins and always will be.
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
Agreed.

@dtfs: Well my Counter Strike 1.3 (Half-Life mod) still works with Windows 7 and it's made by Valve...
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
It won't work.

The arc uses a fastboot exploit to root, whereas we have a locked bootloader, so it won't work.
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
Think arc is rooted cus they can unlock bootloader if sim unlocked.

X10 not going to have bootloader unlocked, so my guess is we will have to root again just like every other update se gives us
[XPERIA X10 General] kirelicnh:
now i work for a major mobile company, an yesterday i was speaking to the sony rep about this and he has said it is in two weeks time and to keep a look out for it as they are stating it will actually improve the x10 ,

you ask how well, when they built the x10 and andriod the basically merged the two together which is why updates take forever to make unlike htc and the new se arc, so andriod os will be seperate from all the se **** they put on,
[XPERIA X10 General] gregbradley:
Yes, but will SE put in some system that blocks our exploit so we will have no method to root.

I really want a rooted phone, so will not update to 2.3 if we cant root.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Or just flash a pre-rooted firmware, just like before on 2.1. There was no root available yet so we had to flash a pre-rooted firmware using flashtool. Pretty easy,
[XPERIA X10 General] Hzu:
2.3 getting on our X10 would be very amazing. I'd like to see how fast and smooth 2.3 is than 2.1. For now, I'm planning to flash my X10 with FreeX10, hopefully everything go smoothly.

I hope the update will be released soon.
[XPERIA X10 General] shedrule:
Wonder if SE will still upgrade the X10 when Android 5.2 Sausage comes out. No more boring threads about what SE are doing for us, remember here at XDA we have the Devs that can do the impossable. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] gregbradley:
Thanks..that was before my time though...:)
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
ahahah I didn't know sausage was a dessert food
[XPERIA X10 General] Flo95:
Awesome. That would be faster than they said, can't wait :)
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
You can not flash pre rooted firmware using flash tool as they are just .sin files. But you can expect a recovery .zip ( pre-rooted) and just flash the baseband and kernel through flash tool. Though i got a feeling that the flash tool may need a modification like when we went from 1.6 to 2.1.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I don't know what it was to flash (long time ago). But the solution was a pre-rooted firmware.
[XPERIA X10 General] kxhawkins:
We had to flash the pre rooted /system firmware from xrec then flash baseband / kernel from Flash Tool. We'll probably have to do that or use gingerbreak at first, but soc / ft may work. Only one way to find out...
[XPERIA X10 General] xftcasper2:
im so scared they fooled us :S
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Fooled with what? It's a official update.
[XPERIA X10 General] melody8801:
i don't think, that sony will make some good updates.

I use custom roms since a wile and i am very happy with them.

They are daily stabel and are much faster than the original rom.

(just compare some quadrand pictures)

at least i would say, that the cosum roms are much better than a stock rom.
[XPERIA X10 General] viper619:
Can the maker of the thread change its name so that it will contain all the info on 2.3 so that it will be easier to check the news rther than making new threads :)

Cheers

VIPER
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
it doesn't matter if it is a good update or bad update, the most important thing is they release GB with fully working camera thus we can have our already awesome custom GB roms with a fully working camera
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
+1 agreed

For me i wait for root before i update
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
The wait won't be long.

I am betting the devs will be racing to get the official update rootable the very same day.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
OMG.. are you still ranting on about this..
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You are really about 6 months too late with this. This is not about the phone companies conspiring against us. This is about a design flaw in Android in a retail environment. This all happened in the pioneering and development stages of Android. Google didn't anticipate the conflict skins would have with updates, because the updates hadn't even been thought of yet. Regardless, during the first stages of development of any project there are unforseen issues that have to be corrected in future updates.

Just because Android is free doesn't mean that it is perfect by any means.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Yes, young padawan. Google has to develop Android around the needs of its users, the phone companies, so they will continue to use Android. The OS might be free open source, but Google makes billions of its Android apps, advertising sales, and Google does get to charge licensing fees for Android during update periods.

Edit: How could the phone companies develop compatible skins around updates they know nothing about? Google releases updates and the phone companies have to respond with new firmware, jus like we have to find a new way to root after some updates.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You're so behind the times. If you knew anything about Android you would know Google has already addressed this unforseen issue in the last two Android updates. Yes, Google has the intelligence to continue to develop Android around the needs of its users.

Who do you think trains the phone companies on how to use and develop skins for Android? Google! Why, because they are giving the software away for free because they are going to make billions of its users. Google is NOT a charity or a non profit organization. Their shareholders are some of the richest people in the world.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Well now that they know that manufactures skin the crap out of their OS they could make some sort of framework for it, so the native functions wouldn't interfere with the relatively rapid OS upgrades that comes out. That way Google would benefit and the manufactures would benefit.

I don't quite know how that would work, but isn't it the same the bigger brother on desktops is doing when Gnome, Xfce, KDE, Kwin and Metacity is using the X Window System?
[XPERIA X10 General] dubie76:
Here is some promising news for you all.....

http://htcdev.net/topic/52745-andro...on-se-xperia-x10-–-brings-new-features-video/
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
That video is quite old, actually

But thanks anyway
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Because things have changed. Google and the phone companies recognized the problem. Instead of deeply integrating the UI customizations and proprietary apps like Mediascape and Timescape, they have completely redesigned how the skin integrates with Android by using widgets etc. What happened in the first versions of Android has been fixed for future updates. It's called development.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
no offense...but on topic of what?

Like..there's nothing left to discuss for now.
[XPERIA X10 General] blingin:
Till November at least, remember Eclair?
[XPERIA X10 General] mingkee:
Then should this thread is locked until 2.3 is released?
[XPERIA X10 General] muksforu:
Let's wait for 2.3.3. 5 day to go

May be its true. Or more to wait
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
If it does come out on 20/6,then may be it is almost the time for SE to publish at PTCRB...but still no new....mat be get stuck at the kernel development:p

cheers,

L
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
First, hardware limitations of older devices. Second, the drop of a dime? SE has been working on 2.3.3 Gingerbread update for six months. However, due to changes in how the skins are implemented, new Android updates should be able to be implemented with little contribution from the device manufacturer, which is my whole point. Android changed things to allow for skins while providing timely updates, because Android was what needed to change or develop. Imagine Android when it runs just as good with or without bloatware.

You clearly cannot grasp the concept of development. All the things you are *****ing about are history. The phone companies and Android have evolved from its infant stages and have adjusted to address the problem.
[XPERIA X10 General] bharadwaj1991:
STOP bickering. I subscribed/favorited this thread to get any news on the gingerbread update not to see that you guys have been arguing idiotically for the past two and half pages. I open my XDA app see the forum is bolded and think sweet new news... and have to skip through this bulls&*t to get to one comment on anything related to the title of the thread.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
According to holck on swedroid he has spoken to 2 from SE and they said the Gingerbread is finished for X10I they only waiting for approval and making kits. thought you that believe in me would like to know, for you that don't believe in my please don't bother to replay to my post. Just wait and see!

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] baz@gmx.co.uk:
So far you've been quite accurate, i can only see haters not believing!!

Thanks for the info X84. :/)
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
Wel,trust you and what you saying is quite logical as well...no one finishes the ROM and releases next day,even after finishing a lot of stuff is done to the ROM..and working on KITS? arent they suppose to release it for everybody(Generic phones) ,may be you the country kits and this time there won't be any Network putting their apps and spending time,so it should come soon

20/06/2011 seems quite logical now
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
I love you (no homo)

You're keeping me excited :D.
[XPERIA X10 General] amtzone:
i think SE should take back our x10 and swap with arc

in change of our 6 months waiting without news...lol...

:p:p:p
[XPERIA X10 General] BigD18t:
Whats the point in having lots different looking phones, when the os all looks the same ?

The idea is to attract people to your phone by making it stand out, so some people like Moto blur, some like sense, others like the rest.

If they all looked vanilla people would think it looked boring.

i wasnt interested in android untill i saw the Hero, sense looked great, different to everything else, and user friendly .

Vanilla looks to plain and dated, and does'nt get the attention of things like sense.
[XPERIA X10 General] CustomKill:
Lol... i think even though making kits.. also need quite sometime.. dun forget that they are SE
[XPERIA X10 General] LegibleEel:
Damn it, so much bickering and bull sh*t floating around in this thread. :/

Oh and thanks Xperia84 for the USEFUL news. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Please don't talk about **** that they can't make updates and deliver them late.

1. They don't have much exprience like HTC

2. They have to deliver as much bugg free as possible

3. They start from scratch

4. They make everything work

5. They deliver diffrent kits

6. They make their own skin, including the inside facebook

And much more that is hard for a developer to do.

So stop *****ing or do it by yourself.

Thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Could we maybe not use the word "sh*t" so much???

It's really hard to snack and read XDA at the same time! :D :D :D

I believe we are re-living the pre 2.1 update moments,

anyone remember that huuuuuge thread? :p

Jokes aside, I have to agree with PlayGunstain at a great extent.

Each company has its own ways and policies and I am just sick of people

judging from the comfort of their couch.

The world is filled with financial and marketing strategy managers, it seems.

I wonder what kind of people work at Starbucks, for example! :p
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Still got a long way to go. That thread had almost 8500 replies in it.

This is only post #636 :D
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
After promising their Facebook community that they wouldn't lock the bootloaders on their phones henceforth, HTC has delivered a sad missive for HTC Desire owners. They will not be ever getting Gingerbread on their phones, as there isn't enough memory to run both Gingerbread and HTC Sense.

The HTC team, on Facebook, said: Our engineering teams have been working hard for the past few months to find a way to bring Gingerbread to the HTC Desire without compromising the HTC Sense experience you've come to expect from our phones.

However, we're sorry to announce that we've been forced to accept there isn't enough memory to allow us both to bring Gingerbread and keep the HTC Sense experience on the HTC Desire. We're sincerely sorry for the disappointment that this news may bring to some of you.

Well..i guess now officially we are ahead of HTC ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] paolo599:
https://www.facebook.com/htcuk/posts/225857300777092
[XPERIA X10 General] phflorian:
you should keep up to date with the current news man. they changed their decision. the desire will now get official gingerbread.

http://t.co/HKkKq9F
[XPERIA X10 General] Candy[MAN]:
Spoke too soon...

"Contrary to what we said earlier, we are going to bring Gingerbread to HTC Desire."

HTC Facebook
[XPERIA X10 General] amtzone:
yup i read it also....but not sure all region will get it...

just leave it aside....stick with our x10 update....

desire no need to be here....:D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
Any hope for the other 2010 models, which are still languishing on 2.1? The X8, which was launched in sept 2010! Isn't it reasonable to atleast expect ONE year of android updates?
[XPERIA X10 General] TyRonathon:
Yes, I don't know how they have managed to go back on their word after months of trying to put Gingerbread on the Desire and failing but you know.. It's HTC! I am happy for the owners but regardless if it all falls through there are countless Gingerbread Custom ROMs to choose from.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Sony Ericsson said on it's product blog that the only Xperia from the 2010 line that is getting the Gingerbread update is the X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] phflorian:
this one should make you guys happy. check it out! :)

http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/06/15...read-could-be-coming-very-soon/#comment-27114
[XPERIA X10 General] htcsnap93:
This thread is so cluttered :|

OT: I read somewhere the bootloader will be unlocked and all we can do for now is be patience and run our custom kernels with joy!
[XPERIA X10 General] jaykeeley:
Like I commented over there, it says 16bpp (65,000 colours) :(
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
It says 16 bits per pixel.

That means no 16m colors....
[XPERIA X10 General] phflorian:
yeah, you're most likely right. well at least it may hint that the rollout is imminent right? :)
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
...hopefully.

Well, looks like Xperia84 and the Thai ad was wrong.

Could they be sued for false advertising (SE, for mentioning 16M colors in the Thai expo).
[XPERIA X10 General] npk21:
...............................................

I'll neva forget that thread, it was started by me but neva thought tat it wud get such a HUGE response !!
[XPERIA X10 General] sohaib17:
if you are a bit close to engineering you may know that 16-bit mean 2^16==65k and 2^24=16m.

this makes quite a difference.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Please don't put your hope in that, it could (actually should) be fake... Everyone can do something like that unfortunately....
[XPERIA X10 General] sohaib17:
I myself wish for 16m colors but i was just telling that how we calculate total number of colors with 16 and 24 bits. i hope that that pic is fake....
[XPERIA X10 General] Stephen3672:
cant wait for android 2.3 i come to this thread eveyday
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
That's what I also hope, but I don't think there will be much diffrents. Because the screenhacks from TripNRaVer make my screen look even better than the one of the iPhone 4. Ofcourse I got a lower resolution but still :)!
[XPERIA X10 General] nanodroid:
yah, I can smell gingerbread coming out of the oven and not cooked very well,lack of ingredients :D but we will take the recipe..
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Haha that made my day!

Btw, anybody here that is also excited about the inside facebook thing?!
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
YES!!!!

I am curious to see how it works and what conveniences it provides.

But, to be honest, I am much more anxious for a fully working

(and I mean really and utterly and totally and completely fully working)

GB MIUI ROM!!! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
i have never said anything about 16m color..

This is probably old news but X10 will have facebook inside Xperia like the Xperia 2011 line has.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] nanodroid:
lol. In a way yes,but in the other I prefer them to work on something else,If I want FB I will go to the app and use it,I just dont want it to be everywhere. I hope this time they worry about implementing JIT on their roms not **IT.:) I have cleaned and optimized mines and still,takes ages to hung up a call or laggy keyboard..
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Yes, if the MIUI ROM will contains all working functions in camera exactly like the stock GB I will also definetely switch to GB MIUI. It looks so freaaaakin sexy, and also Trip his hacks and tweaks are GREAT. I get FULL SIGNAL in school before just 1 or 2 and also a battery life like I've never had. But I also applied my own tweaks :p!
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
we will see! And I have never said anything about 16m so don't blame me for that! I have said new kernel and unlocked bootloader AND NOTHING ABOUT 16M and we will see who is talking from the ass!

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] SimonZ:
http://www.facebook.com/sonyericsson/posts/10150228202458390
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Comon trolls, our great Xperia84 has never talked about 16Mill colours. Also nobody has proven that in that Thai movie the text after 16 was something like million. So don't talk about things that are not proved.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
They are not sure, it could be later or earlier.
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
No. They no longer sell the X10 and never advertised it for being a handset capable of 16M colors. What may be printed on a placard on a trade show for a phone that's eol isn't really legally binding...

I was looking online in order to find out what digitizer the x10 uses (looking at tear downs, don't want to take apart my phone yet... deciphering part numbers, etc) and came across an image of an x10 at an older trade show back in early '10 with a spec sheet behind it. Originally the X10 had listed a 262k color screen (18-bit)

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a part number or a wholesaler who sold/sells the x10's lcd panel to see what the physical specs are of the screen. 16-bit? 18-bit? 24-bit?

Anyways, i'll just repeat what I've said before. It's fun trying to 'detective' this out but we'll have confirmation when GB is released in 2-6 weeks (I'm not listening to any early release rumors - i still think it's going to be sometime in August - but i'm a pessimist ;) )