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[XPERIA X10 General] Neo.:
i never said I wasn't happy. I'm thankful for SE for providing update and if you take a second to read the post above me. Don't jump the gun!

2.3.4 CAN BE DONE by devs once 2.3 is released. Meaning, I'm not expecting this to be a SE release. Infact there ARE 2.3.4 ROMS right now.

I hope you can get my intention!

Come on! What good is a "Smart" Phone that doesn't have proper security. :p

For example, If you connect to a hot-spot (unsecured network) there are chances that you might get hacked. (AKA important information stolen. Which can be anything from your Credit Card Numbers to your Paypal Account) ;)

So don't tell me it's all about features :p (Although there ain't any for us :D)

In fact, It's not only about the vunerability that has been mentioned but a lot of bug fixes which devs have to deal in posts if they don't update. I'm trying to be optimistic that's all.
[XPERIA X10 General] Hzu:
You just missed our point. We are objecting to your point -- where you said 2.3.4 is useless, but that's for you. We appreciate all the hard work SE Devs had done for us with the upcoming 2.3.3 but that's not the case. We are saying that an update is important even if it only fix a tiny little bug.
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
dont complain things much just We need a Unlock bootloader then our devs can make good custom roms for us
[XPERIA X10 General] Tamae:
I just want a rom that has adobe flash and dont get frozen when I'm navigating or using the Cam and I receive a call... It really piss me off, especialy because when I've chosen the x10 I did it because of the hardware, but the stock 2.1 dont use half of its potencial. :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] john398:
Have you tried Achotjan ROM?
[XPERIA X10 General] an4564:
so 2.3.3 is unsafe to use?

if it is then i would stick with 2.1 until SE releases 2.3.4
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
if i am correct a similar flaw exists in versions lower than 2.3.4. but the risk is low.

It's only with unsecured wifi connections, correct?
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Risk is low? Risk is microscopic.
[XPERIA X10 General] an4564:
yea its 2.3.3 and lower

i think it is just open wifi

i went and looked it up after i saw that and it says the best thing to do is not use a open wifi connection

so im guessing its safe to use my data instead of wifi unless im at home since my wifi is pw protected
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Exactly.. so it's not a big deal at all.

If you use a open network you deserve to get hacked. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] an4564:
haha agreed
[XPERIA X10 General] gregeberts:
+1 Absolutely!
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
So true! :D

I am using open network but with Mac Filter,

do you think that should be enough?

(Sorry for the off-topic :o)
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
I would secure your router more.

All it takes to get into your wireless is a packet sniff (that gets your MAC address) and then you can use a MAC spoofer to use your MAC address and login to your network.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
You really have very little to worry about.

Someone needs to first be aware of your network and what you use it for.

And how many people are driving around to see if they can use your android phone.

But some more defense for your router would be a good idea.

:)

unless your the type that puts up a sign "unsecured 2.3.3 android device here" :p
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Thank you both for your answers! :)

I have little to no knowledge about security risks in wireless networks and Android. :o

So, phones with 2.3.4 are in theory secured from such threats?

Is Android like Windows? Patching a hole, then ten more appear?

I always thought of Linux as inpenetratable, thus Android too. :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Some times it's not the OS but the applications that run on it.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Yes, but isn't it true that there are no viruses attacking Linux? *

Why isn't this the case with Android, I'm just wondering...

* Please don't tell me I need an antivirus on Ubuntu! You would shatter my world! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Yes there are. but they are very easy to remove.

it depends on the class of virus.

Firstly you need to install a app that is infected.

If it needs to do severe damage it would need to get root and for that it must get past Super User.

So your in control at all times.

Making it very hard for most viruses to do much but eat internet cap.

I have never been infected by a virus on android nor have i seen one.

But i read a few reports about them.

I have never been infected on Ubuntu.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Sorry for the persistent questions, I just want to learn! :D

I pretty much knew that this was the case with Linux,

that Super User blocks those kind of software.

In Android, isn't the SuperUser app capable of letting you know

if an application is trying to access and modify system files?
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Nope there has been a couple of malicious apps that ran the rageagainstthecage script and creating a backdoor. You can read a bit about them here:

http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/350512-another-android-malware-utilizing-root-exploit.html

And since the Android platform has so many users it's highly attractive for hackers to find and exploit security holes.

So I bet we'll see more and more malicious stuff coming for the platform in the future.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I did not know that. :eek:

Ahh...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11783037&postcount=4

It would have to replace SU and that is very possible.

But i see where your going.

As we move forward it may become more of a issue.
[XPERIA X10 General] TheGiga:
When it will gonna arrive actually :(
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
August beginning..
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Just in time for my birthday :)
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Hope the devs here can cook up a bigger birthday present for you =D
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
That's a epic fail actually of people thinking you can secure it very good with Mac Adress filter. Hahaha :p Not that Immortal fails, but I know some people that think it is the safest way.
[XPERIA X10 General] SignalX:
Hey guys

I'm new to XDA & X10 community!

My current phone is SGS ll & i really love X10! I think design of it is perfect :-)

Ok,

Can you please answer my Q?

What features will add to phone after releasing official GB ROM?

Cheers

SX,
[XPERIA X10 General] kmaximax:
mostly everything that GB has now on other phones ...Apps2SD,Flashplayer in X10i case we will also be getting Face Book inside functionality from the Arc along with the Arc Launcher and a few of the Arc widgets too :)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Few widgets? The same...
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
Guys about this malware exploit. I was reading the link arkedk posted (thnx ark) and it had a link on there for a malware patch for pre ginger.

Is it worth applying this patch? Have anyone applied the patch?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=977154
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Comon man, don't be scared. The chance of being hacked or something is very very tiny. Unless you go to a hacker or ask them to hack you LOL!
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
But sometimes i download apps from not just the market.;)
[XPERIA X10 General] abrarabbu:
i am on it.......

lets see what the patch does
[XPERIA X10 General] abrarabbu:
hey guys let android officials take care f all these things.

nothing to worry....

by the way i am on stock rom and need not worry about hackers.... SE is responsible for me.... ha ha ha ha
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Most of my apps are not from the market :o
[XPERIA X10 General] abrarabbu:
nothing to worry about....

unless you have superuser granted for always..

and one more thing is what worst will happen if they take your device details?

no personal loss.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Then you deserve to be hacked :p :D Just kidding. Isn't checking the permissions before installing enough ? I always though an app can't access certain functions of the phone if it does not have the necessary permissions.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I never check and checked permissions of all apps I installed. LOL!
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
yea look out for the ones that goes "services that cost you money" something like that.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Just know what you download and it will be OK.
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
That malware back door patch i spoke about earlier requires you to fomat sd, fresh flash of rom and fresh install on apps...

Think i just wait for ginger lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
/offtopic

So just because you know some people that only has MAC filtering on their router, you automatically think it's the most secure way?

That's just dumb. I know for a fact that MAC filtering alone is not very secure.

As I said to My_Immortal, all it takes is a packet sniff that will reveals a MAC that is accepted on the router and then all you have to do is spoof that MAC address. These two things is very very easy to do.

Now I've seen you making statements over and over again about something you have very very little understanding about, you in my book is one big epic fail. Try and learn some stuff about the subjects you do comment on, before making poor judged comments.
[XPERIA X10 General] zodiac100:
There is just nothing worst than a rambling idiot...the x10 mini pro with 128mb of ram has 16 million colours.
[XPERIA X10 General] xtbk9999:
lol but tbh when I compare the a photo between X10 and Arc screen, the difference is marginal.. for me 16m colours is not a must. I care more about fps uncap.

Off-topic: looks like the supposed-to-be-released-tonight TripNArc rom is dead :(

Trip's X10 fell off ground or something and got broken.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Before attacking, please re-read my post. Did I say it's secure? No! Did I say that I use it? No! Better don't reply to my posts, because I don't talk to trolls.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I think you should read what he wrote more carefully..LOL and in another thread you go on a rant about how people are blind
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
+9999999999999999999999999999999
[XPERIA X10 General] Murremannen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfEOU8juGec&feature=player_embedded
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Thanks for reposting that LOL.

Now serious, it was already posted dude! (Almost) Everyone knows it XD!
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
1hour and no any new reply cuz most of ppl are downloading Trip arc 1.0 it`s realesed !!
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
or maybe just maybe they have life outside of this forum too lol
[XPERIA X10 General] SkyStars:
Why would you even bother posting that here?
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
+10, I just tried the Arc ROM. It is nothing that impressed me actually. Better to stick with froyo then that for now...
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
+1

agreed with u:(
[XPERIA X10 General] azrull:
hehe..

come on guys.

dont need to be so down..
[XPERIA X10 General] a1exander:
Haha for me its like I cannot choose a ROM to use all the time. I change ROMs daily! Very easy because of contacts synced to google account, and "SMS backup & replace" app. :) Sometimes MIUI ROM, sometimes CM, sometimes AOSP etc. :D

Cant wait for official gingerbread for the X10 though. :D

Alex
[XPERIA X10 General] htcsnap93:
I feel like I am your brother. Yesterday I had CM7, now Ewjet and I hope I have the official 2.3 tomorrow.

*sigh* dreams
[XPERIA X10 General] doomed151:
SE stated that the Gingerbread update for the X10 won't be out until August 2011.

Sources:

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/06...ises-xperia-x10-gingerbread-update-in-august/

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/0...te-finalised-facebook-inside-xperia-incoming/

http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/06/20/xperia-x10-gingerbread-update-pegged-for-august-video/

The last 2 links have a video by SE previewing GB for X10.

Edit: I just realized that I'm late.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Olddddd
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Guys!!! I damn can't wait!! Gingerbread is soooo cool! After trying Gingerbread custom roms my patience is flying away!! Comon SE report us the progress!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
One thing I'll miss is a proper flash, not the stupid Eclair camera photolight. Vignette flash is ok but it's still not a proper 'flash', and I always found vignette's autofocusing terrible.

Hopefully the devs can port the Arc camera and maybe get the LED to flash properly in a photo :)
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Something like....

"Dear xda, since our last status report 6 days ago, we are 6 days closer than the last time you asked.Love, Rikard."
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Hahaha LOL!
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
Off topic

just out curiosity how many times you guys think you flashed your phone lol?
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Over 9000 times
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
junky :p

10 chars
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I don't know, to much?! LOL. I think more then 300 times :p
[XPERIA X10 General] webbsmurfen:
Only 2 Times
[XPERIA X10 General] Eugene1991:
One day? hmm if i'm free can do about max 10 times? LOL
[XPERIA X10 General] abrarabbu:
nothing more worst than a useless idiot...

x10 mini has 240*320 screen resoltion, hence 16M colours dont require heavy processing...

x10 has a huge 480*854 screen... lol

first think and post
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
....aand the X10 Mini has a worse processor and GPU than the X10, aand it's been said that 16M colors will have NO impact on performance whatsoever, it just increases RAM usage by like 4MB and CPU usage almost 0%.
[XPERIA X10 General] CipryK:
maybe they will change their mind and give us 16 mil., who knows? They did change their mind about upgrading x10..didn't they? We will wait and see...
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
It will be increased by ~50%, x10 has a higher resolution. 65000 colours > 16000000 will have a huge impact on performance, and battery life. Don't say why does x10 mini have it, do you own one?
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Is that why all other 1GHz 1st gen Snapdragon phones running at 16mil colors are super slow and laggy? No, they're not.

The X10 is perfectly capable of running 16mil colors. It doesn't work like that either. Yes, 16mil is alot more than 65000 colors, but the difference in performance will definitely not be 50% worse, I can bet everything on it. Max performance hit will be 10%. The Desire HD, Nexus can all run 16M perfectly with the same hardware (the desire HD in fact has a larger screen too).

And I have used an x10 mini, what's your point? I don't understand your last sentence...the english is a bit wierd...I didn't say why x10 mini have it :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Actually 16 to 24 Bit = +8bits = 33.333333333333333333% increased memory and cpu usage "at screen refresh call"

Considering that textures are already in 24 bit format.

So the stress added to the GPU would be small.

And the fact that i still question the capabilities of the hardware and if everything is running as it actually should.

Who knows.. there may still be many hidden secrets to the x10 we are very much not aware of.
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Performance will *marginally* decrease. There's a 33.3% increase in memory requirements but I don't think that the cpu would be stressed by 33.3% at screen refresh call... but i'm not sure - you seem to know that better than i do. Just IMHO. But you're right - any added stress would be marginal.

Here's the math, just to clear up misconceptions about going to 24-bit color

854x480 pixels = 409,920 pixels

16-bit

409,920 pixels x 16 bits/pixel = 6,558,720 bits

6,558,720 bits ÷ 8 bits/byte = 819,940 bytes

819,940 bytes ÷ 1024^2 bytes/MiB = 0.782 megabytes

24-bit

409,920 pixels x 24 bits/pixel = 9,838,080 bits

9,838,080 bits ÷ 8 bits/byte = 1,229,760 bytes

1,229,760 bytes ÷ 1024^2 bytes/MiB = 1.173 megabytes

The system will need to use a *whopping* 391 more kilobytes of video ram ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
So if we add 60 fps to that, it will double the CPU usage? (Is the fps = screen refresh rate?)
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I think it is actually pretty *whopping*.. that's an increase of around 50%
[XPERIA X10 General] t3ej4y:
Haha My_Immortal, I see you've reposted your original comment from xda onto SE product blog:p good going!
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
haha you're right, i guess ;), not that it'll make any difference to performance...

what's up with X10 people in love with stuff being 50%
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Ok, some proves are needed now.

I look over the web and gathered some interesting facts.

Lets take some phones to compare.

A - Sony X10

B - Moto Milestone [aka Droid]

C - Moto XT720

Clockspeed

A-1GHz QSD B-800MHz Cortex A8 C-720MHz Cortex A8

RAM

A-384MB B-256MB C-256MB

Display

A-4 Inches B,C-3.7 Inches

Color

A-65K...!? B,C-16M...!!

Even a similar age Acer Liquid that runs with a down tuned 8250 has a 262k screen... You tell me that X10 has some really heavy load with 16M color? No way...:(

Sorry if there are any mistake with those specs...
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I'm always right.. :p

Unless i'm wrong.. in that case i come clean.

The stress on the cpu and gpu will definitely be marginal.

But i'm still fine with 16bit.

If we get 32bit... cool.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bennachie:
Could not give a damn. The pix are ok at the moment BUT the incall is shocking and MUST be improved.

Colour at the mo is ok but the sound is not....................

A lot of people seem to have forgotten that...................:cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] josephislee:
The desire hd has a second gen snapdragon, not the same processor lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] Stephen3672:
16 million colors

this is what sony ericsson says about 16 million colors

Sony Ericsson

I don't think this is true. As far as I know this can't be changed/added with a software update as it's a hardware limitation.

We'll have to wait and see to be sure. I can't think of any other logic reason for what '16' would mean. Could be a typo of course.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=35313373389&topic=27139&post=148675
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Well i know for a fact that the GPU is capable.
[XPERIA X10 General] emijomo89:
@ some people pages ago: are we sure the x10 mini has 16million colors? my mom has my old x10 mini and i have my x10 and pictures look better in mine. she has the latest firmware for the x10 mini.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Im pretty sure early on its possible it would just be too much work form them
[XPERIA X10 General] holcken:
The x10's current firmware does

not

support fastboot.

I'm working close to a guy partly at SE + I have 3 friends all working at SE.

All have confirmed that the x10 is capable of updating the firmware.

Im not talking about the OS - Im talking about the firmware.

Parts of the firmware contains the bootloader / bootstrap.

By this the x10

can

have a kernel update.

Three of them claims x10

WILL

get a new kernel.

If this is true is for us to find out once the update hits the market.

The 4th said that "Since it can receive new kernels, it's most likely it gets a new kernel. And of what I heard - it will".

I have personally seen a development x10 with GB and new kernel.

It's indeed not a guarantee - it's just a proof tests are going on w/ a new kernel.

One of the guys claim that the seen x10 with GB is running the old kernel

since the new firmware wasn't ready for release.

Now, since it looks like it will receive a firmware update as well -

it is possible

the device will receive a firmware that can communicate with fastboot.

Yet to be confirmed by SE once GB is live.

Until now - 3 have confirmed a future (maybe when hitting market) bootloader unlock but we never know...

It might be a change within SE that prevents it from happen. They can't answer Yes to such a question

until everything is sorted out perfectly.

And until then - the

official

answer till be

no

.

But, don't take my words as the truth - but it looks like they indeed try to

fix both a new firmware and a new kernel.

Since Gingerbread IS based on a certain kernel version - it wouldn't be GB if

it's running on the wrong kernel - right?

I try not to be too technical in what Im saying. Im more talking in a user readable way. ;)

And if it turns out what Im writing is totally wrong - don't throw your tomatoes on me ;)

I haven't asked anything regarding any further upgrades of the digitizer firmware nor the

color depth of the display.

Edit:

I forgot to mention another part - just an idea of my own speculations...

There are some customized kits of the x10 that will receive the Gingerbread.

Since many of these are sim-locked it looks like it can't be firmware updated.

Hence the older kernel on some kits.

But for the generic x10's around - we might see a new kernel :)

// Anders
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
@holcken

This is one of the most thorough and reasonable posts I've read in ages!

There was a recent brief discussion about fastboot here.

They could give us a firmware that supports fastboot in August and decide about whether they will unlock the bootloader later on.

Let's see...! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
@holcken

This is one of the most thorough and reasonable posts I've read in ages!

+100

so true

wish SE could be such clear
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Finally a post from another member that i highly trust. Thanks for sharing your info! It would be great if generic x10s would get new kernels :)

Do you know if previously locked devices that were unlocked could technically recieve a fw/kernel update?

Plus, do you think you could ask your sources about DT/MT and 16m colors?

Cheers

Qwer23

Sent from my rooted X10i using awesome custom roms
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Honestly, it is still 100% speculation about bootloader. If he finally convinced you that GB requires a newer Kernel, then you have been in denial until now. This is not new news. Welcome.

Also, To further clear things up about insider info, Xperia84 said he was PROMISED we were getting the update before the end of June, and that we were getting a new Kernel. A new kernel is obvious, but the end of June is approaching. When we get a new Kernel, will he be considered a visionary or insider? NO, because he had zero real info about the release date, and a new Kernel is like expecting a new firmware.

Quit putting these "connected" guys up on pedestalls, it only makes them think spreading rumors, true or false, is ok. If I heard from the CEO of SE himself, I would still confirm my source before posting here as "real".
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
From the definition of SE,2.6.29[colour="red"].6[/colour] is a new kernel,haha,just a joke

cheers,

L
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
[Joke] Don't go around with definitions I've just flew back home after my damn exams!! [/Joke]
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
We already know that there is a 2011 version of 2.6.29 kernel that is different from the 2010 kernel used for custom kernel, so that is a new kernel right there.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
I wasn't praising him for his "connections", because he didn't use them to PROMISE us anything. He talked about things he heard here and there, that happen to make sense. He didn't claim he knew something for sure but he did introduce a new clue about our speculations, the "firmware update" (bootloader, bootstrap, etc), thus the new/old kernel discussion could be made in a new basis.

And, personally, since day 1 I've been saying over and over again that GB means GB kernel, otherwise it doesn't make sense.

All in all, we can only speculate here and this thread exists for that only, until we get some new information from SE or, of course, the actual update.

I just felt that his post was honest and clear and in no way misleading.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
The gb preview was running fine on 2.6.29 kernel. But it was a preview not finished so you most likely right