yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Damn, you still can't read right. Let me put your head in some facts.

1. I think the screen of the Arc is better, its my opinion

2. The Arc has much natural colours with much more detail

3. Black is to black on the SGS2 to watch movies that have the colour black or something that is almost black

If you don't like my opinion just gtfo and shove your head in a SGS2 if you are a fanboy.
[XPERIA X10 General] jazzaddict:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/X10iR301.xml

16 bit per pixel = 64K color~ Damn...I was hoping the LCD driver get an update. I hope at the very least the new ROM comes with bootloader unlocked.
[XPERIA X10 General] Farik335:
I am interested, will be new timescape optimised in 2.3 or not? Because for example on Wolfbreak's CM 6.1.3 V006 it is very slow and laggy
[XPERIA X10 General] jazzaddict:
I wish SE would explain why they can't issue a software fix for 16M colour display (They previously blame it on 1.6). I reckon this upcoming gingerbread will be rather disappointing. Officially SE did not promise to fix any major issues or address any requests.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Just ignore this trolls and keep pushing report button, hopefully this trolls get banned..

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
We should all just stop replying to him..

he's gona cause more of us to get banned along with him.

Oh look at the time...

Everyone brace for impact!!!!

http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec

These guys scare the hell out me.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
I know for a fact that you were the one who posted on about the multitouch thing. Why do you now say it wasn't you?
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I posted here about it and copy pasted some quotes i found in hopes of getting MT. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
So if the OmegaDEATH on Sony Ericsson Talk isn't you. Then how come you here on XDA posted a link to SE Talk saying it was you?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=848261

In case you edit original:
[XPERIA X10 General] Lofwyr:
According to the brazilian oficial SonyEricsson Blog, Gingerbread update will bring Multitouch to Xperia X10.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/br/preview/aparelhos/xperia-x10/android-2-3-x10-ganhara-multitouch
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
With the release of the update date approaching, many readers want to know what changes, what does not change and what will happen with the Xperia ™ X10.

Thinking about it, the Preview will make a series of posts about these key points. The goal is to answer the questions as the information is released by Sony Ericsson.

The first point: the long awaited multitouch will be included in the update for the Gingerbread (Android 2.3). So a lot of apps that already run perfectly in version 2.1 of the system, gain new functions.

For example, Google Maps, you can change the perspective of the map and see even more clearly the projection of 3D buildings, when they become available in the area that is viewed by the user.

Preview Track for more important points explained, as the changes and what does not change the operation of the X10. Until then.

SWEEEET
[XPERIA X10 General] sagacious1:
ok...this thread has not gone where i thought it would. lets try to bring it back...shall we?

one question i had; and excuse me i didnt read all 71 pages. just about 20 of them :)

how long do you think it will take for a 2.3 global x10 rom to hit the forums for download once SE makes it available? so i can use flashtool again :)

also im assuming i can take my rooted 2.1 x10 and flash 2.3 without a problem using flashtool since im not asking pc companion to see if im "qualified".
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I will die laughing if that is the case.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Multitouch come here babbybyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :d
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Com a data de liberação da atualização se aproximando, muitos leitores querem saber o que muda, o que não muda e o que vai acontecer com o Xperia™ X10.

Pensando nisso, o Preview fará uma série de posts sobre esses pontos-chave. O objetivo é responder as dúvidas conforme as informações sejam liberadas pela Sony Ericsson.

O primeiro ponto: o aguardado multitouch será incluído na atualização para o Gingerbread (Android 2.3). Com isso, vários apps, que já rodam com perfeição na versão 2.1 do sistema, ganharão novas funções.

Por exemplo, no Google Maps, será possível alterar a perspectiva do mapa e visualizar ainda com mais clareza a projeção 3D dos prédios, quando eles estiverem disponíveis na área que for vista pelo usuário.

Acompanhe o Preview para ver mais pontos importantes explicados, como o muda e o que não muda no funcionamento do X10. Até lá.

Translation-----------------------------------------------------

With the release of the update date approaching, many readers want to know what changes, what does not change and what will happen with the Xperia ™ X10.

Thinking about it, the Preview will make a series of posts about these key points. The goal is to answer the questions as the information is released by Sony Ericsson.

The first point: the long awaited multitouch will be included in the update for the Gingerbread (Android 2.3). So a lot of apps that already run perfectly in version 2.1 of the system, gain new functions.

For example, Google Maps, you can change the perspective of the map and see even more clearly the projection of 3D buildings, when they become available in the area that is viewed by the user.

Preview Track for more important points explained, as the changes and what does not change the operation of the X10. Until then.
[XPERIA X10 General] emijomo89:
what about if the brazilian version of the x10 didnt feature dual touch yet, and they will implement it in the 2.3 update? the x10s from my country dont feature it yet, they are still stuck on the first 2.1 update, so that could be it.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Please translate it and read it good.

The first point: the long awaited multitouch will be included in the update for the Gingerbread (Android 2.3). So a lot of apps that already run perfectly in version 2.1 of the system, gain new functions.

GREAT RIGHT?!
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
yeah exactly....!!!!

and Brazil SE has a tainted history of announcing fancy stuff time and again
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
And if that is the case i don't look so insane anymore.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Who said you were? Btw, I'm sure our x10 can get better MT.
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/X10iR301.xml

it has the full details of 2.3.3 X10

can anyone please READ this xml file and confirm about multi touch and 16 million colors

FOUND THIS=

<prf:BitsPerPixel>16</prf:BitsPerPixel>

its 16 bits per pixel,what does it mean??
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
<prf:BitsPerPixel>16</prf:BitsPerPixel>

<prf:ColorCapable>Yes</prf:ColorCapable>

That is: 65536 colours

Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_color
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I see very little there about the hardware.
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
Then what do we have if it is 65 million ???

i am bit worried now :mad:

can we be sure of this :/
[XPERIA X10 General] Denie46:
The only thing I'm worried about is whether we get unlocked bootloader.From all the new features that one would be most important to me.

P.S. sorry for my bad English
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
We have 65536 colors and most likely it will stay like that.

Sent from my X10
[XPERIA X10 General] muratbaizhanov:
really dont think se'll unlock the bootloader - not comfortable 4 them.

they always was proud of their security features.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Screen can do easily 24bbp because I got it in Trip his ROM. So 16mill should be possible I think!
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
they did it for 2011 products...didnt they

so guys we have a wish list-

1)Multi touch(not 2 fingers dual touch)

2)unlocked bootloader

3)16 million colors

4)SE CAM not ****ty android cam

5)native wifi tethering

6)new Kernel
[XPERIA X10 General] timotuithof:
7)60fps+60hz screen

and i think you mean 16million collors because 65 isnt possible
[XPERIA X10 General] kafej666:
they gonna give us only this:
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
1. Yes please

2. oh yes

3. don't you mean 16Milion colors? = 24bit?

4. sounds good

5. please do

6. yes sir.

I can dream... can't i?
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
hmm about 16 million colors I remember reading this:

http://gadgets.apnafundaz.com/2010/...2-1-firmware-update-for-xperia-x10-explained/

so what do you think?
[XPERIA X10 General] panosm763:
They are upgrading x10 for their game cloud.
[XPERIA X10 General] Denie46:
I think that the SE camera is confirmed
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Is all this official
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
its a WISH LIST.....we are the Princess and SE is the Fairy got mother!!
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
And our x10 is the glass slipper.
[XPERIA X10 General] Haldi4803:
mhmm, do i have to read all pages, or could some1 tell me if there are new infos when it should be here? End of June, start july ?

Would be realy awesome to update first post with all relevant news, and would make this thread worth to be sticky! but it seems like its just Sticky so that mods don't have to tell everyone that there is already a Gingerbread thread.....
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
If indeed what SE Brazil stated is true (the rotation in the Google Maps)

it means we will get true multitouch. :)

As of now, with dual touch, we can't do the fancy rotation thingy.
[XPERIA X10 General] webbsmurfen:
Ok guys, I love my X10i, and it is time to say whats on my mind. X10i is a wonderful phone, but unfortunately not a "game phone". I see it as an "officePhone" or a"TechniciansPhone" or an "Hackerphone" or something like that.

Why is it so important to have 24bit? Is it not more interesting with an unlocked bootloader or real Multi touch or wifi tethering?
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
It would definately be amazing if at a minimum we got

Multitouch

16m colors

And a modern kernel
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Actually I think that the term "game phone" is overrated.

Simple fun games like Angry Birds or Fruit Ninja are OK

but complex, heavy, 3D-graphics games are too much for a mobile phone,

in my opinion of course.

About 16 million colors, sure, it'll be nice to have but I don't want to make a big fuss about it. Whatever enhancements come with the update, they are welcome.

I hope that the new kernel will bring us better custom ROMs and that's really all I care about. Again, it's just me, I mean no disrespect to other users' demands.
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
+1

same here
[XPERIA X10 General] iain26:
it wouldnt bother me too much if we did still have the old kernal etc think the best thing they coud do is raise the volume of the in call speaker so the x10 can be used as a phone
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
i don't get it, I have X10 with perfect in call volume and so have my brother and mother. can the in call volume be better in some countries and worse in others?

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Dts volume is low in general and can only be increased through third party programs
[XPERIA X10 General] lightyear420:
yes they do...AT&T has it listed for sale as a new handset for $29.99 with a 2 year contract, still.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
True they still sell the x10 a lot in my country.

There are several shops in my area that still stock them.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
then my family and I must have super hearing because my volume is perfect when IM on my fathers construction work I totally hear just perfect when someone call me they same is when I drive my car perfect volume and I hear the person I talk to even with the window down.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Lol can i have your xperia
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I remember having issue's with hearing anyone on the old board.

The new one sorted that out.

I am just wondering if the Dsp tweaks would have worked on the old board

I destroyed it trying to get fastboot working.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
if you buy be a new one, shore!

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Don't want to rub it in but you should hear the arc's in call volume

It's roughly double of my x10's
[XPERIA X10 General] kafej666:
or check in "test mode" .... Why only there Our front speaker is fine. THIS IS THE BIGEST FAIL EVER :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Never talked in a arc but I can say if the iN call volume is double in arc I for shore shouldn't have it in Max

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] soldiers33:
what you mean test mode?
[XPERIA X10 General] kafej666:
I mean the service menu (as they call it here?).
[XPERIA X10 General] nanodroid:
menu back back, menu back, menu menu back on the lock screen, then in test settings test the speaker...

So does this thing's hardware support MULTI touch? I thought SE released dual touch instead because of that?
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
That's what is said around here. People say the digitizer doesn't support it. However, there is argument on whether or not it is really the Clearpad digitizer in the X10.

The original design of the X10 had multitouch, but during that time Apple started suing companies for multitouch patent infringement, so SE backed off. Dualtouch is a legal solution to the multitouch patent.

This news, if true, means a lot of people were wrong about hardware limitations. You can't update the hardware with a software update.
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
Not sure if it is a country thing, but mine is also very low. On the train I always use earphones with a mic otherwise there is no way I can hear anyone.

It really sucked when I was testing some unfinished ROM's with no proximity sensors :D I always have to have the speaker pressed hard against my ear and I would always push hold while doing that lol...

There are too many reports of this low speaker volume to not be some flaw. Some people have it, some people don't... don't think anyone ever tracked it down to what exactly is the root cause of this. I'm hoping GB fixes this, but then again I was hoping the same thing when waiting for 2.1... fingers crossed though :D
[XPERIA X10 General] nanodroid:
You're too right man, 'the hardware does not support it', that is what we were told by SE and as you say, you can't update hardware with a software update if it doesn't. I do not expect to have MT on my x10 after ages and I don't think by installing Gingerbread on it it's going to bring MT.

I don't know anything about this SE from Brazil,but what they say doesn't make sense.
[XPERIA X10 General] nanodroid:
Apoena, I do the same, I press hard the phone to my ear when Im on a call and outside.Inside it is JUST fine.

IMO, if froyo or any other roms did not fix this in our tests then it would be possibly a HW fault.I don't even think the speakers are good and pure solid I was dissapointed when I noticed that it had only 1 tiny speaker(even if it's stereo), you want 1 on each side,no? well, whatever..its built and sold..
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
It's not very loud, that's a fact.

I remember with my older phones, when the in-call volume was set at the highest, practically everybody in a 2 meter radius could hear the caller! :D

Maybe I've gotten used to it though, it doesn't bother me much anymore.

When I am outside, I can just hear the other person, not loud but still OK.

I think it's kernel related, so perhaps it will be improved one way (SE) or another (xda)! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I text or use my girlfriend's blackberry when I am in noisy situations, because the speaker volume is so low. It's definitely my number one complaint.
[XPERIA X10 General] thunderpossuem:
With the news about se Brazil and multitouch, they could be referring to bringing dual touch system wide instead of just the few apps that it was initially possible in, no?
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
No, we got the exact same dual touch that Nexus One and Desire had.

But the rotation in Google Maps requires multitouch (actually, I think, 3 fingers) so if that works, it means we get more than 2 touches recognised by the digitiser! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] bharadwaj1991:
In Google Maps if you take two fingers and slide it to the left or right...map rotates...and if you take two fingers and slide it up or down map changes angle...

I don't know what SE Brazil means but I hope they mean using three fingers does something different.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Not to mention most of xda, including a few passionate members who insisted they knew personally. To me this is some of the biggest news we've heard regarding the update, and I don't even care about multitouch. I can't post a funny pic, but I am watching this thread like I am watching the Casey Anthony murder trial.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
IMHO. Just like the X10, once they release the current year models and 3mo of sales have passed they will discover that the older models can be updated.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Use bt headphones, right? GRD. I WISH they had some brains and put a second mic and noise cancelling algorithms in this device like many of SE old cheap phones.

My daughter has a x10 and I have one too. Neither one can hear the other when there's background noise. We text more now.

Though I have no problems with either wireless or wired earphones.
[XPERIA X10 General] desh_iit:
probably X10 will not have 16m color

See the xml, its <prf:BitsPerPixel>16</prf:BitsPerPixel> ...so we will not get 16 m color. But hope GB will come soon
[XPERIA X10 General] desh_iit:
sorry could not attach it ..

Somehow I could not attach the xml, so I renamed it as txt

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] msprahalad:
It's really really sad that x10 aint getting 16M colors,

16M remains a dream:(

Maybe Devs here gotta do something..

I urge all devs to bring 16M to ur beloved x10:)

Thank you :)
[XPERIA X10 General] xtbk9999:
Timescape is already fast in Achotjan's cm6 froyo
[XPERIA X10 General] Darkblake:
No...brazilian version has already the dualtouch upgrade.

In fact, there was questions in that post of SE Brazil:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/br/preview/aparelhos/xperia-x10/android-2-3-x10-ganhara-multitouch

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Igor Azevedo disse:

15 de junho de 2011, às 17:23.

Estranho, eu tenho o X10 desde janeiro e em fevereiro fiz uma atualização que o multitouch já estava ativado. Agora continuará Dualtoutch ou será multitouch, se for multi é melhor.

Lucas disse:

15 de junho de 2011, às 18:19.

É gostaria de saber disso tambem. Agora vai ser multitouch?

Sony Ericsson Preview disse:

15 de junho de 2011, às 18:33.

Oi Lucas, tudo bem? Sim, o Xperia X10 ganhará recursos multitouch/multitoque com a atualização para o Android 2.3. Aguarde que em breve publicaremos um post explicando como o recurso funcionará.

Um abração.

_____________________________________

TRANSLATION

Igor Azevedo said:

June 15, 2011, at 17:23.

Strange, I have the X10 from January and February did an update that multitouch was already activated. Now or will continue Dualtoutch or multitouch?If is multi is better.

Lucas said:

June 15, 2011, at 18:19.

Yeah, I want to know this too. Will now be multitouch?

Sony Ericsson said Preview:

June 15, 2011, at 18:33.

Hi Luke, all right? Yes, the Xperia X10 multitouch will gain resources / multi-touch with the update to Android 2.3. Wait until shortly publish a post explaining how the feature works.

Hugs

___________________________________

So...yeah, SE Brazil is really saying about MULTITOUCH, not DUALTOUCH.

If SE Brazil is right?That's another story...
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
I think the best solution for low in call volume is

turn the speaker phone

put the volume of speaker phone to 20-30%

voila its louder than ear piece and not too loud that any third person can hear ;)

Also you will hold the phone by its side....new style B)
[XPERIA X10 General] phflorian:
well they've proven they've been right so far as they were the first one who told us about the gingerbread update. fingers crossed ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Actually, we can't do this:

[YOUTUBE]wiZoBoTlsYg?t[/YOUTUBE]

And that requires multitouch, not just dual touch, even though it's done with 2 fingers. Hence, the confusion.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I hope it's true.

That would mean that i would have no further reason to bother SE with it.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Everybody wins!! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] lightyear420:
ummm...I hate to burst your bubble, but I can already do that lol I just tried with google maps.

Since we have glitches with the X & Y axes crossing, the map can only spin about 90 degrees at a time, but it does, in fact spin. I think this is more a bug in the axes than a dualtouch limitation, since I can do it on my phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] doomed151:
It's quite simple to test the multitouch ability of the X10.

Download any multitouch testing app from the market and run it.

Put 1 finger, it works fine.

Put 2 fingers, it detects both. Now move around, as you overlap one of the axis (X or Y, or both), they get swapped.

Put 3 fingers (or more), it goes crazy.

That shows how the hardware of X10 isn't fully capable of true, flawless multitouch.

I've tried this before with my Wildfire, it detected 3 fingers and didn't go crazy if I put as many fingers as I want. It simply detects only 3 of them.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
:eek::eek::eek:

I can't do it on my phone, no matter how I try to!

Interesting...
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
I've been able to do it since the dual touch kernel came.

Is your Maps up-to-date?
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Yeap, I am on version 5.5.0.

I can't tilt it, I can only pinch-to-zoom.

To be clear, I am not doubting you,

it just doesn't work on my phone!

I am on the stock SE March 21st kernel,

but it also didn't work with the older kernel from .435. :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
actually apply 3 fingers and hold them still for 10 seconds.. now it may happen or it might not. but 2 of those 3 fingers should be still perfectly detected.

Only the ghosting seems to be screwing with it.
[XPERIA X10 General] veselinhadjiev:
Just slide your 2 fingers from left to right or from right to left and the map rotates. But your two fingers should be vertical aligned. It works on my X10
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
The video quality is bad, recorded on an old phone I had laying around.

[YOUTUBE]TEUIv_Ez4k0[/YOUTUBE]
[XPERIA X10 General] doomed151:
Might be, because the hardware is old.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
That is 2 finger drag to rotate.. not 2 finger rotate to rotate. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Yeah but if it was a non mutual capacitive device all the reading would have been thrown off.

Plus the device only updates passively.. not actively.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Regardless of the hardware or not we cant tell anything because the kernel is limited to fake dual touch
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Why don't you do something about it then?

And how do you know it's passively updating, how did you test that?

I've given you the source code for the dual touch driver so you could make it better...

But you haven't done anything about it.

But you keep going nuts with this MT stuff.

You don't know for sure if the digitizer is even capable of it, if it is, then you don't know if the chip is.

I'm getting tired of your rants about MT on the X10 without any substance or facts in it.

Just the same over and over again.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Cuz i have no idea how to compile it & i need a list of hardware registers.

You can see it passively updating.. if you hold your fingers perfectly still you can see that the 2 ghosted touch point don't move.

The get stuck and only after movement is detected they begin updating again.

Seriously dude i'm not ranting and raving i'm just hoping for the best outcome. :confused:

:EDit

I have had it that the 2 touch points get stuck in different places even though no fingers have crossed.

Sorry.. i'll just keep my mouth shut about it from now on. :(