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[Galaxy S II General] nongrata23:
now i see this horrible grey everywhere i cannot even look at my phone any more!

I hope that this issue would be enough to change my device!
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
Hey drm111, as you know I have those problems too.

Did you have them on all your 4phones?

1) As you know I have this topic in wich one screen had this blue ish coat on the screen, noticable from the angles you talk abouth. But the other one does not have it.

So maybe not everyone has that blue coating? Did you investigated that further?

2) As you also know there is this yellowish/darker 1/3 of the left screen, probably some don't notice it. You have to be in a dark room or in a light one really looking for it. You read abouth this huh?

But I you didn't post it here. Aren't you having this problem? And did you have it on al of your 4 phones?

3) Ghosting, yes i notice it to. No sharp text when scrolling,is that the ghosting too?

I have this first generation ipod touch, text stays sharp when scrolling. Should be the case here too.

4) Than you have the grey tints, wich turn pink. You can see it in the topic of nongrata23. But some phone don't have it it seems. Software or hardware?

We need to figure out what is 'normal' and what isn't. As I don't want to send my phone back if it is normal at this point for all the gs2 that are on the market.
[Galaxy S II General] rovex:
Let me start by saying i used to work for a PC magazine and was among those who blew the whistle on the nVidia texture replacement fiasco surrounding the Geforce 5800. I can see a single texture out of place in a high FPS game, so my eye is VERY keen.

The colour of the SGS2 is slightly blue yes, but mine is no worse than the average LCD, including the Retina display.

Response time is seemingly slower than the previous AMOLED screens ive seen, but again is more than a match for the LCDs out there.

I would say samsung have made a trade off between the sub pixel density and other factors. It works for me just fine.

The 16bit thing is interesting. It looks to me like the screen isnt 16bit, but it is using 16bit at times. Thats a driver issue.
[Galaxy S II General] kr00t0n:
My screen is both cool and dull.

Put next to my friend's SGS2 and another's IP4, the IP4 is white, mate's SGS2 is a bit more blue and slightly dimmer, and my SGS2 looks terribly dull and blue.

I have tried all settings, and my screen at max brightness is similar to his when at 4 brightness.

Other than that the phone works great, but I am sending it back for an exchange, as the screen is the major selling point and I don't want to be stuck with an inferior model for 2 years!
[Galaxy S II General] RyanZA:
Umm.. at least use a decent test, something like http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren2.html

Put the screen in landscape mode. Ghosting is when you see trails behind the moving parts. Zero ghosting on my SGS2.

As to slightly strange looking text when scrolling in the browser, I think this is an optimization made by Samsung to make the browser scroll smoother. Seems to work, since it's way smooth. If you don't like it, then use something like Dolphin or Mira or Opera or Firefox, etc etc.

Screen temperate is not a right or wrong answer - it depends a lot on geographic location and a billion other factors. Plus, each AMOLED screen is slightly different from construction, and Samsung uses a single set of calibration values, which is why it looks better on some SGS2 than others. Same as with the SGS1 and every other AMOLED device ever made (and most LCD devices too).

Not sure why manufacturers don't include a way to set this stuff yourself though. Stubbornness on their part, maybe. Anyway, will be custom kernels soon to tweak this.

Can't seem to reproduce the light touches here. On older capacitive screens, you could actually hover your finger above the screen and it would register a keypress. I'm guessing this is what you are talking about? This is nicely fixed in all of the newer capacitive screens I have tried, including the SGS2.

As far as touches go, any touch on the screen caused a touch event for me. So I can't confirm this.
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
Erugh, I understand what ghosting is. Also on that test the ghosting is hardly noticeable, that's a very bad test for ghosting.

I'm sorry I stopped reading here. Your post just lost all credibility.
[Galaxy S II General] RyanZA:
http://www.cybercollege.com/tvp028.htm

:)

P.S. My ghosting test is slightly more consistent and repeatable than yours.
[Galaxy S II General] Hendrickson:
Dude your nutts. Your moaning over nothing. But sounds like you need to buy a iphone 4 retina display as you would fit in with that crowd. Or have some time away from your mobile.

Serious this is the best screen I've seen on a phone....
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
go to options--> display--> automatic screenpower(or whatever it's called in english). I will bet 10 bucks you have this on...

Pls let me know if it is:p.
[Galaxy S II General] kr00t0n:
Oh snap!

Just tested and (unless it's a placebo effect) it does look brighter on the white screen test. I didn't know that option existed, just thought auto-brightness was the only one to turn off.

Just waiting on my colleague to get in so I can compare, thanks!

EDIT: LOL! at full everything my screen is now brighter than his! Cheers dude :D
[Galaxy S II General] Furbious:
To be honest, mine seems a tad more sensitive than normal - occasionally it registers a press or swipe when about 1 mm away from the screen, but perhaps I just have mild psychic powers :)
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
Are you 100% sure ur screen is not lcd and that your soled+ really blurrs in motion just like an lcd? this is very important for me, 1 of the main reasons i hate lcd technology is no matter how much u pay for it, it will ALWAYS blurr in motion, especially noticeable in 2D game or in 3D games where u have to move ur camera angle.

So please confirm that yours is not an lcd and that the soled + really really blurrs.

Because if this is true, i dont think ill buy the phone anymore and do something else with 690€
[Galaxy S II General] D4rK.F0rcE:
100% agree!

he replaced his galaxy FOUR (!) times! This actually tells the story...

It is not the phone that has A problem, it is him who either IS the problem or HAS problems!

Sorry, but your constant moaning is starting to piss me off, this is now the second or third thread of that kind. If you don't like the phone or just have "too" high expectations, just get yourself another phone... but stop making the galaxy bad.
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
There is no LCD version of the SGSII, it is definitely a SAMOLED+ screen. This technology is prone to blurring/ghosting.

But then again, only me and about 25%-35% of other users notice it. So see if you can try one out in store to see if it bothers you first before you make a decision.
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
No problem, we all need to help eachother;).

When I got my phone I noticed it because when in the browser i opened google.com for example. Whe on full screen it wasn't bright, especially the white. But when you zoomed out and you got the black around the google screen the white all of a sudden turned brighter, not normal.

Than i found this option.

I find it very strange that it was turned on when I got it. I think a lot of people got this problem and think their screen is bad.
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
There is NOTHING wrong with asking questions abouth a product you just bought for a lot of money.

This is the place to discuss it. And I find it very interesting to see if other people have the same problems, and if things you have issues with are normal.

Some people like drm111 (and myself too) like too figure out these things, there is nothing wrong with that.

If you're not into it and you just take your phone and don't look if it is allright, good for you, don't read these forums than. Because it's all abouth these things...
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
the oled technology 0.001 response time has no such thing as blurring problems, ive seen a proper LG oled screen around 11 inches which had no blurring problems at all with the content displayed on it.

if this blurs its certainly not 0.1ms let alone 0.001ms response time....

The lg screen also had no color shifting while viewing from any angle.

As for trying it at a store, i so wish i would, but unfortunately in portugal its still not yet for sale...

Thats why im relying on this forum for any info i can find about the phone.

PS: u can include me in that 25-35% list, i notice blurring in any lcd screen and, and even CRT after phosphor effect, which only has such issues at black levels and not the other way around... ive been trying to find an actually proper technology for image in motion for years, and the only one ive found so far is CRT and plasma.

I was really counting on this oled phone aswell... maybe its not using the actuall organic components which LG used for their oled monitors, but to blurr like an lcd, and to shift colors, even if its a bit less worse than lcd its completely unnaceptable for a 690€ phone with a "Super" OLED "plus" phone
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
How about you **** right off. Well done for understanding what a forum is for you absolute moronic ****.

My "constant moaning" is starting to piss you off? Oh ****ing whoopty doo. Go cry moar.

This is a new device, and inherently is has flaws. I'm here to discuss those flaws with other owners of the phone. I accept the phone even with the flaws, I still love it. These issues are not with me, its the technology the phone uses it that causes the problems. Just most people don't have the eye to spot it, but as you can see from the poll, other people notice it aswell.

So yeah, if you don't like discussing the problems with this phone because it makes you sad. **** off and go somewhere else, and go learn what a forum is for while you're at it you collosal prick.

Yeah as you can see from my original post I went into that samsung says the display has a 0.001ms response time which just isn't true in real world use. BTB response time is 6-8ms. Naughty Samsung.
[Galaxy S II General] Fysi:
I actually think that the stock apps test is actually a bad one, considering most are white text on black background which cause an optical illusion. Needs more testing

With the colour, disable auto adjust screen power in settings and get back to us on it's comparison. I think the brighter the backlight, the whiter whites get.

And the touch issue, I can touch it really softly and still do use the phone, so I think that problem is you.
[Galaxy S II General] stoney73:
Great grown up talk. It just degrades your credibility further tbh.

Still waiting to see exactly how you measured this btw. Not declarations of 'I see dead people'.

Edit:Also, the poll is biased. 'I notice'? really? So if someone doesnt 'notice' it, its because they dont have 'the eye'.

Hmm...I have better than 20/20 vision, and I cant for the life of me see your ghosting. Doesnt matter what setting I have.

I can see ghosting on my monitor, so why not the SGS2? Which begs the question, where is the option to state 'THERE IS NO GHOSTING'?
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
High speed camera, measuring the trail based between 2 photos and then you can get the time it takes for the trail to fade. This is the BTB response time.

Also I'm in no mood for people to complain at me for discussing problems with the phone. If they don't like it, they can go elsewhere.
[Galaxy S II General] Currykiev:
This is a VERY good point. There is a known optical illusion (of which i'm desperatly trying to find the link) with black lines on white where a "ghosting" effect is achieved because the image gets "burned" into the retinas.

As an example, if you stare at one line of text for 30 secs then quickly look at a blank white space you will be able to see that line as a ghosted image.

Could that be a possible problem here?

Watching a footy match (soccer for the americans ;-) ) is a very good way of seeing ghosting on any screens. Wait for a goal kick or long ball and watch the ball carefully. Any blur behind it?

P.s. Downloadind a footy match now for testing.

Edit. Tbh i think i'm clutching at straws.
[Galaxy S II General] pulser_g2:
Yeah, persistence of vision? (something like that - can't remember the name)

If you close your eyes, for about 30 secs to a minute, and then open them for a fraction of a second, looking at something lit (not too brightly or anything), then when you close them, you will still see it for a few seconds due to the change in brightness...
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
Heh, the optical illusion isn't the issue. I've watched films and played games and its there aswell, but you have to look VERY VERY carefully. I was merely using the black text + white background as an example as it CLEARLY shows it :)

*EDIT* I'm not the only one that notices it, theres numerous other threads on it and others have voted on the poll. My current GSII needs to be replaced today anyway, as its not turning on. So when I get ANOTHER replacement, I'll see if it has the same ghosting, maybe i've just got unlucky with my previous 4 and the other 2 i've looked at, you never know :)

If it has the same issue, I'll show you guys the high speed photos with the measurements. and I'll show the exact same test on my TV which shows no sign of the ghosting the SGSII shows.
[Galaxy S II General] Currykiev:
I voted that i could see ghosting, but i only see it when it's black text on white or vice versa.

It would probably help everyone here if someone could upload a small HD (for clarity) clip with ghosting present that we could all "test" our eyes with.

And no comediens uploading clips of 'Casper the friendly ghost' please :-)
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
Here for example:

Go now to :http//m.hln.be

Than you see "nieuws van de dag". Slight up and down, don't tell me you can not see that the black stays behin if you do that???? Because it does...

You can see it in the blue text under it too ...
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
Exactly. I'm glad someone gets what I'm saying.
[Galaxy S II General] Currykiev:
I see it. What i want to see is ghosting in a media file.
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
Heyy, we're getting somewhere now. And as I said, it is visable in media files, but no where near as noticeable (obviously) I thought that it didn't show up in media files/games so I was curious and investigated further, took some photos of the screen. and yes it is still there, but you have to look hard and closely.

The first time I noticed it in a game was on super mario world, when running fast and jumping the blocks in the sky would leave a trail (as they're against the light blue background that emphasises it.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
This is a no win thread. It's a debate over individual expectations. I just happened to notice today there was some text ghosting when using the browser. To me, it's no big deal. To the OP, it's obviously a very big deal hence the multi-paragraph editorial and accompanying poll. There's no right or wrong. Although not one professional reviewer picked up on it which does say something about general expectations. The conclusion though is inevitable. The phone is what it is. After four phones I think the OP has proven that it's either a universal hardware or software issue. If it's the former, OP can either live with it or return the phone. If it's the latter, there's a chance it'll be fixed with updates. Trying to convince OP that s/he shouldn't feel the way s/he does isn't appropriate. As is OP trying to ridicule the world for not being as meticulous as s/he is. Move along, there's nothing to see here. ;)
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
I don't mean to ridicule the world, was merely going in depth into these flaws on the screen. And then people were just telling me that I was the problem not the phone and the ghosting issues do not exist on the SGSII.

I can indeed live with it. I love this phone. I was just discussing the issues, not arguing about whether or not they exist, but merely if people noticed it, as it IS there. That is all. :o
[Galaxy S II General] dinan:
I don't have the phone yet but I've yet to see a phone that doesn't have ghosting... some are a lot worse than others (HTC phones and the Atrix.. my god the atrix is bad) but my Galaxy S and Nexus S had the best out of all of them. Are you saying the Galaxy S2 is worse?

Anyway I'm an avid gamer and use CRT's still to get over response time. Also just got a 120hz LCD with no input lag as well so no matter the phone I'm probably gonna be annoyed by the ghosting but... I'm not playing shooter games on it, at least where 2ms makes a difference.
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
Please dont start with the optical illusion talk... the whole optical illusion crap talk has been started since ppl complained at the lack of quality of lcd images vs crt.

Eyes do not have motion blurr when focused, focusing automatically stands the image still into the same area of vision of the eye so thats completely bollocks, even with the stupid eye burn in theory it doesnt make sense.

This in monitor display has been used as an excuse for the horrible response time of LCD panels to improve its marketing...

EDIT: hey im thinking of something now, it could be something to do with the organic components of the screen, could you do it on a gray image with a black text? and see if you still notice the blurring please? i cant test it myself because as ive said before in portugal the phone isnt out yet.
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
i must warn you that the lcd marketing 2ms is actually 4 or 5ms, because 2ms gtg means grey to grey, which is actually a cheating method of our awsome marketing world to induce ppl into error.

i also have a 2msgtg monitor and it also still blurrs, its a lg flatron w2261vp-pf

LCD tech is just rubbish for image in motions, its rubbish for color gamut and viewing angle.
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
haha, i was DISAGREEING with the optical illusion theory ;P

And I will test with a grey background when I get my replacement phone later.

If my replacement phone has the same ghosting as I've described I'll know for a fact EVERY GSII has this issue. it's just a lot of people don't notice it.

Also in case people don't actually know what ghosting is. It's this;
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
i was trying to back u up, sorry if sounded otherwise by quoting ur message and thx for the test, let us know what u find :D

Yeah i know, if i could get a penny for every person who told me their lcd monitor didnt blurr in movement i would be a millionaire by now....
[Galaxy S II General] Currykiev:
I did write at the end that i think i'm clutching at straws......
[Galaxy S II General] abrelosojos:
You sound very similar to my friend who obsessed about the ips screen in the iPhone 4 compared to sgs2. Mostly stating how he can see all the pixles in the sgs2.

The thing is, whatever field you get geeky in, you only end up ruining it for yourself. Yes I see very slight ghosting, yes white has a slight blue hue to it... but black is black its soo great!!!

I think a greater screen will effect the battery drain. Pure white screens consume more power than any other colour. I'm an engineer in many things and if we need to stress a TV. We leave it on a white screen for X duration of time. Which might explain the not so perfect whites.

I love PC gaming, I always have the best but the games don't live upto much anymore by my geeky high end nitty picky attitude ... ruined it for myself!
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
Haha yeah I do ruin it for myself admittedly, but I can't help it. In a weird way I like spotting these flaws.

Also I got my replacement and compared with the shops display model and the salesman had one himself, they all had the ghosting I've described. So that puts it to rest to anyone who said that it's just me and the phone's fine. Everyone's SGSII suffers from it, but I envy those who don't notice it :(

Saying that though, my replacement is better. The low sensitivity problem is still here, but not as bad, I have to do a REALLY quick touch onto the screen so that it doesn't register.

Also the GPS on my replacement is loads better.
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
And what abouth the Yellow/ darker 1/3 of the screen, nothing there when you display grey colour? Or pull down menu.

And when displaying white and tilting the phone to a sharp view angle, is there something blue ish to find?

And the gps, in what way is it better? What did your other one didn't do good?

Thanks for answering!!
[Galaxy S II General] drm111:
There is no yellow/darker 1/3 of the screen, it's completely even. On my old one, the 1/3 of the screen used to be VERY slightly darker. It's not on this one though. Pull down menu+grey is fine.

Yes when I tilt the phone I get a blueish tint but not as much as my old phone, I can notice now that the blueish tint from tilting the screen comes from light refracting on the glass.

And before the GPS wasn't very accurate (only got accurate to 20m-40m) However on this one, it gets position accurate to 10m. Very happy.
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
well i do not mind irrelevant flaws such as: a power button which cant be pressed easelly, or the phone jackin hole into the side of the phone, hell i wouldnt even mind if the phone didnt have a top of the line battery, but the phone advertises the oled screen, the "awsome" camera and its top notch performance.

Im really starting to doubt that this is actually an organic light emitting diode, since real oled are stated around the world to be 0.01ms response time, they also do NOT color shift when viewed from any angle.

So im starting to wonder wether or not this is a QLED instead.

And since i cant find anything on QLED response time and their marketing points of interest in QLED is the low price, low power consumption etc... im pretty positive the response time is as slow as a regular LCD and in that case, i will move on and buy something of more value, maybe upgrading my pc or getting a plasma screen as im not rich enough to buy a phone of which i will hate.
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
Ok, thanks. I think I am gonna replace my phone too than. I want the screen to be perfect as this is a big selling point. The yellow is bothering me a little bit as i know it's there.

Abouth the blue ish, when i look straight on the phone the white is pretty white, maybe slightly blue ish tone to it. But with tilting you can see it. Are you sure it is the reflecting? Because when i turn the screen off and try to see it in a ligthly inviroment, maybe reflecting it a little bit, i can see a blue coating. So it's not from the screen. Can you try this?

My gps is also good on position, accuracy is also good.

I am just worried that if I change my phone I would get one with more faults like the gps or something:D. But however, I am gonna contact my dealer for an exchange.
[Galaxy S II General] r_a_c:
I don't think they will put a new screen technology in it and not advertising it. And worse than that, even saying it is something else...

No it is super amoled in there. There are just some flaws that come from...I have no idea.
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
i understand but dont u find just a little bit TO weird that this has rly sucky response time and color shift when viewed from different angles? 2 things which never happen in a OLED screen, ive seen an LG one and never noticed any color shift from any angle, ive also never seen slow response time either.

Which is why im having the doubts, what other explanation could it be?