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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
Hey guys,

So they boast about the 1080p playback on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, however I haven't had much luck with this. I tried putting on two different 720p video files on and both of them have sub-par playback.

One of them is an MP4 with h.264 and it plays okay on the default video (gallery) player but theres a bit of a stutter and doesn't play extremely well.

The other is an h.264 MKV and that doesn't even play audio in certain cases and the video doesn't play well at all under the default gallery application.

I tried three other media players - rock media player, Vplayer, and doubletwist and none of them play it any better. I find it sort of strange that it's having trouble handling these sorts of files. I can maybe understand the MKV file but the standard MP4 file is a little concerning
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] RaindancerAU:
I find Vital Player performs better than the ones you have already mentioned. QQplayer is ok sometimes too and I've heard people talking about drobo player but I have not tried yet.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
VitalPlayer played my mp4 a little better almost perfect with hardware decoding, however the mkv was still problematic :-/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] 50-3:
Try:

MoboPlayer

and

MoboPlayer Codec for ARMV7VFP3

It bring in Tegra 2 Support not yet optimized but still pretty good.

Also if you have rooted your tab take your CPU off interactive (Default and horrible) and put it on Performance or OnDemand.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] aefelix:
It's not a software flaw , it'tegra limitation to playback high profiles encoded files. Tegra allow hardware decoding of main profile Encode file only.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
Interesting, I haven't tried MoboPlayer yet but I will give it a go tonight. In regards to the cpu being on interactive. What?! Really? I was trying to find a reason to root and that might be one is to put it on OnDemand.

What exactly do you mean by this? I'm having trouble understanding your last statement.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] RickBaller:
I think he's saying that altering your CPU probably wont make much of a difference since it's the lack of GPU hardware decoding for high profile encoded videos that's likely causing any kind of stuttering. In short, it's not your CPU's fault or Honeycomb's fault, it's your GPU's fault.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
Interesting, I find it odd though that when selecting hardware in certain players it does play better. But when selecting software in some players it plays better than other players hardware. It just seems like some sort of issue that isn't really making much sense.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
Yeah, moboplayer wasn't any better either :-/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
It is Tegra limitation and it is a problem for ALL Tegra 2 based tablets.

Go to any forum Xoom, Transformer, Adam Ink... i is general issue.

If one wants to play movies (and do other "super advanced stuff") one should have buy a previus generation tablet like Galaxy Tab 7" or Archos, etc.

Some of us still hope that retail GT 10.1 will come in with Exynos CPU instead of Tegra. If not it, than quite a lot of phones will be more powerfull than Tegra 2 tablet computers.

+ none of new tabs is divix certified like some of the old ones were :-(

I wonder how will TouchPad perform in that matter?

If GT 10.1 is indeed Tegra 2 based I am in trouble.

Watching movies (in bed) is quite important to me.

I will either wait for 10" HTC or Amazon tablet (gossip goes it will have Kal-El inside) or I'll just get iPad 2 (seems to be more capable in that regard than new Android tablets).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] atombum:
Is the ipad2 better at video playback?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
If jailbroken - YES.

Its CPU (by Samsung) is more capable than Tegra 2 :-).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
I have the iPad2 and Asus Transformer which uses the Tegra 2. My iPad 2 is not jailbroken and it surpasses the Asus Transformer for video playback. My iPad2 plays High Profile 720p MP4 with the stock player, and with AVPlayerHD from the App Store, I can play High Profile 720p MKV and it will support embedded subtitles along with xvid/divx avi formats.

The Transformer chokes on anything High Profile. Sure you can use Moboplayer or Vital Player as they support subtitles, but they only support external subtitles and they still can't play High Profile.

Don't get me wrong here; I'm not an Apple fanboy at all. Just clearing up that iPad2 is the better video player period and does not need to be jailbroken to do so.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] atombum:
How is the Ipad with youtube playback? It really bothers me that the tegra 2 tablets can't play videos in "hq" mode without horrible stuttering. I'm hoping 3.1 fixes this.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Ah, YouTube is a different story. The YouTube videos that the iPad can play are excellent... if they aren't Flash! However, there are browsers like Skyfire in the app market that plays flash but I haven't tried it yet. From reading reviews, 3.1 does seem to address those issues. All in all for YouTube, the Asus has the upperhand especially if you watch YouTube on the stock browser.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] atombum:
I tried watching youtube videos on the transformer with the youtube application and it was pretty bad. That was a while ago, is it better now?

Sorry for the derail.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
I'm having no problems with the couple videos I'm watching now through the YouTube app. The only problem I get with YouTube is, of course, the HD playback in the browser but again I believe the Xoom owners have reported 3.1 fixes that.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] NZtechfreak:
Video playback capabilities of these Tegra Honeycomb tablets is a bit frustrating! My SGSII plays video and handles in-browser flash better (as in much better). I guess I will be connecting my phone to my television when I want to watch 1080p video, rather than my tablet...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
3.1 indeed helped with streaming performance (like YT) but mkv High Profile is still "no go"

True... but in that case... why would I get a tablet?

Or (that will be the case for a lot of ppl.) if you can only afford one of those?

New (fully capable) smartphone or tablet (that can only do some of the thing phone can but has bigger screen). Which one?

Not, to mention... what is the point in creating device, a tablet COMPUTER that is beaten in functionality and performance by phone.

HEY!! Samsung, instead crappy 10.1v (or 10.1 if it is with Tegra) make Samsung Galaxy S II in XL size - that is all most of us needs right now (+ Honeycomb) - and we're sorted :-).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Agreed, but to be honest with all these reviews of the I/O versions and those boasting Tegra2, it seems the new official 10.1 will have it. I'm really back and forth about returning my Transformer to try a new 10.1 out. I mean I only plan to keep either one until the Tegra3 Kal-el tablets start rolling in (Asus and Amazon rumored to roll some out this year). Financially it'd be smarter to just stick with my Transformer, but I've always been about design and build and the Samsung sure looks like it has the Transformer beat. Trade off for build and form factor are the loss of the microSD expansion though, which means (according to the J&R pre-order pricing) I'd have to spend $599 for a 32GB Sammy vs. the $399 16GB Transformer+$35 16GB class 10 microSD card.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Srikar_NBK:
If your happy with your TF, I don't see any point in returning it for a 10.1, unless 10.1 has Exynos or something better than Tegra 2. :(
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
I am indeed happy for the most part, but I'm a sucka for sleekness and design unfortunately. Not a fan of black and brown being put together like the Asus. I guess my mindset is if they're going to perform the same, might as well look the prettiest doing it. Here's to hoping a price drop when the Tab is officially released.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
It's dissapointing that this Tegra 2 isn't capable of doing such good playback on 720p video. It's more frustrating that in advertising they are boasting about 1080p playback!

Oh well, I mean it's not a huge deal if I'm just gonna be playing avi files that are like 700mb. I'm not to nit-picky about the insane quality that I can bust out. As long as I can throw some movies on there are play it, that's certainly good enough.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
How do you transfer the movie to the iPad2?

Via iTunes?

If yes, then iTunes converted that high profile video for you :)

That's why you can view it flawlessly, because it has been converted to the format that the iPad2 is capable of playing it smoothly.

Probably this is not the case with AVPlayerHD, if you can transfer the movie without using iTunes.

And I don't know how to transfer file to iPad2 without using iTunes if not jailbroken. It does not have file system storage, it does not have USB port, it does not have SD card slot.

Eh, I have an iPad2 too :P
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Yes, AVPlayerHD lets you transfer to the iPad2 wirelessly. The app has its own folder. It gives you an IP address and you just type that into your browser on your desktop and boom, transfer movie files to your iPad without iTunes.

I barely use the stock player.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] demo23019:
Try dice player on market

Puts mobo, rock player and any other software decoding players to shame.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Yesterday I have watched "iPad 2 Unboxing" - now I am sure I do not want it.

First thing one see after power up is -"itunes sync".

I do not have an iTunes (nor I wish to have it), what if I would not have Mac or PC? F...k it - it is just plain stupid!

This means I need to get one of Android tabs... how many days left till 8th June? :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
I believe this player is for Gingerbread only. It doesn't even come up in the App market on my Transformer.

Limitations

1. S5PC11x Chipset can play 720p(h.264 high profile)

2. Tegra 2 based phone can not play H.264 high profile clip.

3. Froyo Galaxy S/Tab can not play movie. Gingerbread is required.

4. 2nd gen. Snapdragon can not play H.264 High profile level 4.0/5.0 clip.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
But galtom, after we both read explanation from user songmeesay above, I think iPad2 is your best bet right now.

It can play high profile video right there from the device ... without jail-break!

Yes, you need iTunes to set it up ... and to update the OS (there is no OTA functionality).

Use iPad2 ... while waiting the next gen Tegra 3 :)

And I think, at the end of this year, you can still sell iPad2 at a decent price. The demand is still high.

I still think, Tegra 3 will be used by Google for their own Nexus tablet which will be released at the end of this year with Android ICS!!!! Or probably ASUS Transformer 2 :P

Or buy Plabook ... or just dedicated portable video player like Archos!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] bobdude5:
NO lol if you download a videoplayer such as avplayer, work you can import the movies through ituned under the applications tab. Scroll down and it shows a list of your apps thT can import files. Your video click avplayer brlwse find your Movie and it uploads through usb to the app.. disconnect open app and your video is there
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
Yes, user songmeesay has answered that.

But, to be honest, I cannot be bothered with:

Bringing the iPad to my PC.

Connected via cable.

Firing up iTunes.

Transferring the (big) file.

Disconnected.

Going back to bed room.

Start watching ....

Too much steps!

This is better:

Go to the bed room.

Start app to wake my PC via LAN (if it is off)

Use Plex and stream the movie.

If needed, RDP to the PC and turn it off, after finished watching.

Probably there is feature on Plex to shutdown PC after finished streaming:)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
For me this does not make any sense. I have spend money on NAS drive in order to save energy (and cash) and no to have loud machine running in the middle of the night next to my desk.

So, as now I want to be able to watch ALL movies in my bed from NAS directly.

I can do it now with my Asus netbook - 720p. no problem :-) or any other resolution or format.

But it is heavy (compared to tablet), does not have 3G built in and does not work long on batteries (not to mention it takes ages to start).

On the other hand it was (with Windows 7 HP and 320GB of disk space) only half (price wise) when compared to new tablets.

So, if am about to spend twice as much on multimedia device designed for "media consumption" I want to be able to do it :-)

Other wise it is just a very, very expensive toy and actually phone is more sensible (you can watch and do whatever one wants and make calls!) to buy.

HEY!!!! Manufacturers - wake up!!!

Hey, Samsung... if Tegra is bad.. why didnt you just made original GT 7" with new system in bigger size? :-) We would all be happy (more or less).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
check this thread out:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1091204

I did the test samples and the Main and High profiles choked on my Transformer, but the Xoom testers that are on 3.1 are reporting smooth playback for Main and High profile 720p.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Not all of them...

So... it is still not clear!!!!

+ read my question on the same forum:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1075994
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Yes, all of them. The samples are mp4. I made no mention of MKV and neither does that survey thread except for keitht's MKV he tried to play... which failed because obviously 3.1 didn't address MKV.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Ok, so the problem was with mp4 and tegra does not support h.264... etc...

Mp4 got sorted mkv will never get there as it is not software issue.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] chaval:
It supports h264 and high profile (successfull up to 720p) but in a MP4 container.

I believe the only thing missing is having android support the MKV container so it can use hw acc.

Audio is another story.

Doubt samsung has custom HW for MKV. They also have more decoders "built in"

I hope some company releases a player that supports Tegra and dif codecs. Heard that Cyberlink was dev one for Tegra.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
Well the h.264 high profile in an mp4 didn't playback smoothly either on the 10.1. I was testing that earlier on and the default movies (in gallery) plays it the best but still doesn't play smoothly
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
mkv is container, container is software.

I think the problem is the (app) players are not yet optimized for mkv container.

I am wondering where is VLC? CorePlayer? They all promised Android version of their popular video player! Waiting for ages ...

PS: galtom, my PC for streaming is located in the attic and it is dead silence :P My NAS is much noisier than the PC!!!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] chaval:
Apparently, 720p HC plays well on 3.1 but not on 3.0. Hope that an update fixes the issue.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Well... my PC is noisy - big fan for power supply, extra fan in tower, fan on graphics card and fan on CPU - it all consumes a lot of energy and is noisy.

NAS drive - it is WD My Book - so no fans, no nothing beside the WD HDD. 100% silent, lights turned of - perfect for steraming movies in bedroom :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
Old PC? :)

My old Dell desktop was noisy as hell. Then last October 2010, I decided to upgrade by making a complete new PC. Built it myself with "silence PC" as the main goal. There I have one now, i5 processor, 8GB RAM, passive graphics controller, mux-120 cooler, no-fan on PSU. It is dead silence and still cool (system temp below 30C, CPU cores around 20C - 23C on light / casual usage).

Anyway, do you realize that most manufactures are "playing" with us when making a new product?

There is always 1 part or component missing or low quality.

A very good device specification ... then boom! 1 part is sucks, you pick one:

- Missing microSD card

- Smallish battery

- Cheap screen display

- Smallish RAM

- Smallish internal memory

- Missing USB port

- what not

There will be always like that.

I could imagine something like this during product development meeting:

"No, don't include that, we could add that for the upcoming version. So people will upgrade".
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Yes, old PC. Most of it is actually from UK, I built it when I was living in London.

I recently changed C2D to C2Q and changed old 8800GTS to new (but old) HD 5850 Extreme from Sapphire but that is all I can afford now.

When I play games it is ok as I always have headphone or loud sound from speakers.... but for quiet, nigh time movie watching it is not very good :-)

In regard of devices and features 150% true. I can not believe that all those ppl. working for BIG BOYS would miss such an obvious things as - what people want.

If it takes me to 45 s to put together a winning specs I am sure it is not mistake or oversight on their part but a deliberate action:

take:

IPS, AMOLED or SPLS screen

10h playback time

1 x full usb (host)

1 micro USB

micro SDXC card support

3G/4G

proper cpu that actualy can play (on screen) everything - up to 720p is in my opinion enough (that can play all current media - locally and over nas/internet)

system like honeycomb

approx 1 gig of ram

fanless body

weight 600 - 650 g

headphones should be included as should basic screen/tablet protection

Price: 600 pounds - and we have a King ;-)

I am just wondering what will Samsung say to this:

Guys... how come your old tablet can play more formats than the new one?

And phone for that matter... :-) Maybe instead of making new tablet you should make you old tab bigger or phone bigger? :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Sutorcen:
Unfortunately I'm reaching the same conclusion after reading most Tegra 2 based forums in here. If the 10.1 doesn't have Exynos or if Samsung doesn't add full divx functionality I guess I will buy the SGS II (which 99% I will the way things look). It's a shame really as a tablet would have been the ideal media player.

Say songmeesay... has the iPad 2 been jailbroken yet?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Unfortunately, not. Any news is usually untrustworthy or words just mixed up by blogs. The most recent theory is that one won't be released until the iPhone5 is out since it'll have the same processor.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
This is what I'm hoping
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
After I learned from the Xoom forum:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1091204

I think, I could conclude the Tegra 2 can decode high profile video file.

But:

- The Honeycomb OS is not optimized yet. It is improved, since Honeycomb 3.1, Xoom can play some (if not most) high profile video with certain requirements.

- The video player apps are not optimized. High profile on MP4 container mostly play, but not MKV.

So, what's to hope?

1. Improved Honeycomb OS (3.2???) or wait the upcoming Ice Cream Sandwitch

2. Wait for a much better / optimized video player: CorePlayer or VLC !

:D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
... it would be pretty stupid (on Nvidia's side) to list base and main profile as what chip can do if indeed it can do more...

So... as the opinions are pretty divided and all other tablets with Tegra 2 are struggling with playback that it is SOC limitation.

Look at old 7" GT - what system it runs and what can be watched.

Now... look ata Adam Ink - (Tegra 2 inside) - what system it runs and what can be watched on it.

Any conclusions? :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
We are talking about Tegra 2 and not other, so GTab 7" is not in this discussion.

GTab 7" is another device, another spec, another hardware and another OS.

You cannot compare that one with this 10.1".

You simply can't.

And why NVidia does not say that high profile? For a safe side of course!

Nor Apple said iPad2 supports high profile :) Officially it listed only MP at L3.1.

SOC is one thing, OS (Android) and app (Video player) is other thing.

The Honeycomb OS improvement did proof the OS side.

Hope the CorePlayer or VLC also proof the app side.

All those must play well together in this case. In this saga of high profile H.264 on Honeycomb OS with Tegra 2.

After user converted from MKV to MP4 (only the container, you do not need to re-encode), they can play high profile (see this on Xoom forum).

Yes, Tegra 2 probably is not the best right now. But, it can play high profile H.264 up to certain degree.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Oletros:
I can play 720p H.264 High Profile 3.1 with my Tab I/O edition without stuttering if it is on a mp4 container. The problem is that there is no sound.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SS2006:
It can play 720 p high profile

With the 3.1 update

Confirmed
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dased14:
Don't know about the rest of your statement but my galaxy tab (7")can play movies ripped from dvds running 2.2( unless I misunderstand what your saying)

brought to you by the voices in my head
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
Yes, pre Android 3.0/Honeycomb devices play video better, it's a known fact. We are talking about Tegra 2 tablets (specifically the 10.1), Honeycomb, and 720p videos (not regular dvd ripped videos unless you're talking about Blu-Ray rips).

However, it seems 3.1 addressed the high profile 720p issues with the supported native format of MP4, which is better than nothing.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
Where is the confirmation of the 3.1 update playing high profile 720p video?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
Confirmation from the user who tested it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1091204
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
That's interesting that there's no sound for you. I can hear sound on mine but it doesn't play back quite smoothly as one would hope for.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] songmeesay:
What's your audio format? I think the stock Honeycomb player only recognizes AAC audio for mp4. If the audio is AAC, that's just weird.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Kyrra:
It would be nice to be able to play back the video I record on the device... :\
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Oletros:
AC3

I'm now encoding the audio to AAC and we will see
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kentoe:
It can play the video is records in the gallery just fine
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Oletros:
Thanks, AAC worked like a charm :)

MP4 container, 720p H.264 HP3.1 + AAC 2.0 160kbps
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SS2006:
720p main fine on my tab 10.1

Android 3.0
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SS2006:
same with 720p high

1080p not a chance
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Looks like it is worth to wait for kal - el:

At MWC earlier this year NVIDIA announced its third applications processor, codenamed Kal-El. Kal-El will feature four ARM Cortex A9 cores with a shared 1MB L2 cache and MPE/NEON support (absent from Tegra 2). Kal-El will also fix the video decoder issue we've run into on Tegra 2 and should be able to play all high profile H.264 content with proper OS support. On top of all of that there's a faster GPU (12-core vs. 8-core plus higher throughput per core).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4359/...o-shows-off-dynamic-lighting-quadcore-physics

NVIDIA said that Kal-El based devices are on track for release this holiday season. The original commitment was August 2011 but NVIDIA wouldn't be any more specific than to say that we may see some products launch before the holidays.

I hope they mean summer and not winter holidays :-)

But if so...who will buy and for how much current generation of tablets (GT 10.1, Transformer, Xoom, Streak, Adam, Iconia, etc...) with Tegra 2 inside, that are "on their way" to the shops for the last few months.

On the other hand even if real products are shown and presented now, with the speed presented by manufacturers since 2010 we will see firs asus or samsung kal el tablets right next to the Ipad 4 :-)