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[XPERIA X10 General] bharadwaj1991:
if we get gingerbread with a four point multitouch I will gladly accept that I am wrong and read to much into the dudes post. I do believe he misunderstood the question or he just doesn't know because rikard says one thing and se brazil says another. I believe rikard to be more reputable think about it which is more likely we get four point multitouch or just another optimized dual touch.
[XPERIA X10 General] Berik84:
New firmware (	2.1.1.A.0.53)

http://www.ptcrb.com/ctiastaff/complete/view_complete_request.cfm?modelid=16756
[XPERIA X10 General] streamnlnl:
Please let's not make a war now because he/she didn't give you credits ;)

Haha, a big complement, I think, that he/she used your comment from here. It's only a shame that he/she have a lack of a own opinion and that he/she used yours...
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
I'd believe Sony Ericsson Brazil over Rikard because Brazil leaked info about the gingerbread update and now they're talking about multi touch. This is excellent

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] Mayazcherquoi:
It would take very little processing power and very little RAM for the screen (if it supports it) to display 16 million colours...
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
I could wait like My_Immortal lol

It took me 5 years to get a real smartphone like the X10 haha
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
War?! :eek:

I am not mad at all, it's just kind of awkward and funny at the same time!

And I am a journalist, so yes, it's a compliment! :)

Anyway, back on the topic of the update, can some developer tell us if and how easier it will be to adapt custom ROMs on the new kernel?

(Anyone who believes we will get "Gingerbread" on an Eclair kernel,

please don't answer. I am asking taken as a fact, that we will get Gingerbread and not Mockerbread.)
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=14821902#post14821902

so the kernel version wont really matter for SE as long as they have patched it for GB...
[XPERIA X10 General] Hzu:
Guys, please, use your brains. SE never promised anything about 24bit colours, multi-touch, unlocked bootloader, etc. They only promised for the GB update. Plus, Rikard only works as the blogger(He knows nothing!), and the firmware he receives is the EARLY build of the firmware. So I believe in Xperia84 and the others about the unlocked bootloader, new kernel and SE Brazil about multi-touch(this is not a big deal anyway).

tl;dr, stop making assumptions as it's still too early for such assumptions.

This post was sent from a telegraph machine.
[XPERIA X10 General] FallenOut:
Anything will be clear when it does roll out. Right now. What we have is just assumptions at best. We just choose to hear which sounds nice
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Thanks for the info!

And if we get a patched kernel, what could this mean for custom ROM development? Just an estimation, I know that we can't know for sure now.

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[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
well there are three things which we will get cleared because of the patched kernel...

Native USB tethering

Native WiFi tethering

Camera Drivers for GB

so most of our ROMs will get the above things fully working and we will finally get FULL FUNCTIONAL 2.2/2.3 custom ROMs!!!

other than that it is all speculative...
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
That means that they can use the kernel to make, tethering work, camera and much more all on Gingerbread!
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
That's all I wanted to hear!! :)

Thanks a lot!

I am using custom froyo ROM now and everything is smooth, but I do miss the fully working camera of stock SE.

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[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
ok, lets see how much will it use...

for RGB 565 [aka 65k color]

16bit for each pixel

16 x 854 x 480

= 6558720 bit

= 819840 byte

= 820kb

for RGB 888 [aka 16M color]

24 bit for each pixel

24 x 854 x 480

= 9838080 bit

= 1229760 byte

= 1230 kb

ok, you only need 400 kb more resources to process those extra bits, so it is not so power hungry as you thought, thats why most of current gen device has 16M display instead of the awful 65k.
[XPERIA X10 General] Neo.:
Well said
[XPERIA X10 General] coolsid8:
I know it has been posted before but did you see this :

http://gadgets.apnafundaz.com/2010/...2-1-firmware-update-for-xperia-x10-explained/
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
So it's 100% viable.

Lets not forget the optimizations that could be used to achieve this.
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Hah, you saw that, actually it was a post that explain why WM dont have 262k display back in 2005. One of the main reason is at that moment, the chipset isnt as powerful as the current gen[imagine you compare a Samsung Galaxy S2 to erm... HTC Cavalier, big difference right?]

Back to this thing, this phone has a decent GPU and CPU, some smaller device such as the x8 also can handle the 16M color [i know it has smaller screen res, but dont forget the cpu is much slower too], so i dont really see the point of it doesnt support 16M color.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
To those who are dissapointed that SE aren't giving all the goodies that was speculated here:

Think about it. Who were the ones who said all this? Not once did SE officially say that they will give 16M colors, unlocked bootloader or uncapped FPS.

It's you people who made all the hype. It was you people who expected so much from SE, even though you all know how SE have treated this phone unjustly. You are the ones who raised the bar, almost unjustly so, for SE to make this phone great. What were you guys expecting?

Don't blame SE for not completing what they never said they would do, blame yourselves for expecting too much from them. Although having all those would be nice, it will probably never come, so might as well get ready for that announcment now. I never expected huge things from this update, I'm just happy that the X10 will get Gingerbread. I couldn't care less about 16M colors, 65k with dithering (like on Trip's and Wolf's ROMs) works perfectly. Multitouch is hardly used, maybe for some games but I don't play that many anyway, and pinch to zoom works perfectly. Uncapped FPS would be great but i'm sure that the great devs can deliver that. I'm just happy that now all those unfinished ROMs can get finished. So, I thank SE for this update, instead of insulting them for giving stuff that was never promised.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
No i will blame them.

laziness and disrespect to their customers wishes for a device at this price has no excuse.
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
I think j and z should check se ginger firmware too see if se used thier files.
[XPERIA X10 General] Neo.:
Im with you.

@SE: Just give us damn bootloader and sources that's it.our great devs will take the phone to the edge of its peak!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
I agree that SE have completely screwed up the X10 and its owners, but to expect so much from them is unreasonable. If people think for a while, they'll realize that those things would never come, because this is Sony Ericsson.

Why the heck would they put all of those goodies in a device released in 2009? It's 2011, with the new Xperias. If they add all those goodies like 16M colors, uncapped fPS and unlocked bootloader everyone will buy an x10 and not an Arc, because it's cheaper and pretty much as fast.

It's business, I knew from the beginning that the X10 will still be bogged down even in the GB update, because they don't want internal competition. i'm sure many others, in their heart, knew the same, but refused to believe it, and are now extremely dissapointed.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
The HTC Desire came out around the same time as X10 and already got Froyo while we were stuck at Donut. Now the Desire will get the GB update around the same time as our X10 (looks like SE is even a little faster than HTC, but don't forget that they already have Froyo for a looooong time ;)).

And even though the internal storage on Desire isn't big enough for Gingerbread + Sense, THEY'LL GET A FULL GINGERBREAD. HTC will not fully port Sense to make this possible though. It's not the perfect solution for the company to leave some features from their unique UI behind, but they see a full Gingerbread means more for the community in terms of custom ROMs and so on.

Now, can you imagine SE to leave some of their UI behind to give us a smooth and complete GB?

And as you can see, HTC is willing to compete their own highend devices with a 2009 phone - because they released a new flagship that is worth the jump to it. SE seems to have its doubts though...

P.S. I'm not a HTC fanboy and won't ever consider to buy one (because they're ugly :p ), but this just shows that there are differences between the companies' customer support and SE doesn't really SEE what the people want.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Yeah.. but they are completely destroying their image in the process.

The worst is after the device is no longer being sold and supported do you think they will release any of the source or detailed info on the device?

Hell no.
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
I agree with all you guys. If the arc had dual core then se would of given us 16m color and stuff, cause if wouldn't off effected arc sales.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
That's where you're wrong. The device is still supported and still sold in some places. I went to my local Singapore Sony ericsson shop a week ago and it still had the X10 next to the Arc, avaliable for sale for 430 dollars.

It is still supported, and is still a flagship.

And why would they release detailed info? I've never heard of any company releasing all the info of a product, even if it is unsupported.

Also, about the Desire. The x10 IS getting Arc's UI and some of the Arc's goodies, and a good camera UI, so what is your point? All i'm saying is that to expect the x10 to suddenly get all those features is unreasonable, because it would become too similar to the Arc. The Desire and the Desire HD are quite a bit different,looks-wise and hardware wise, so fully upgrading the Desire wouldn't create too much internal competition. But, upgrading the X10 to full potential would pose a threat to Arc sales, because the X10 is quite similar to arc in looks and performance.
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
youve hit the nail on the head, we have to take the pain cus se are struggling to make competetive android phones, lets be honest as good as the arc looks performance wise its nowhere near as good as the desire hd,and performce probably wouldnt be noticable between the x10 and the arc, bit tired of the you shouldnt expect them to give updates its a old phone blah blah! the phone is only just over a year old weve never had updates they did so much for us giving us the 2.1 didnt they LOL if i wanted 2.1 id go buy a 20 quid t mobile pulse mini, se are the only company not giving regular updates and releasing basic features.spend 400 pounds ona phone you expect updates.
[XPERIA X10 General] pasangamage:
true

Perfect !!! sums up everythin wht almost all x10 owners feel..
[XPERIA X10 General] rasoooli:
Exactly

+1
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
i guess if they include 24bit and MT+Unlock bootloader they never announce it untill they make a newer phone than arc .and i guess that`s why they delayed update

the new xperia duo (dual core) is coming out so lets hope....
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Just because the name's duo doesn't mean it'll be dual core...
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
true it could have dual screens :P
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
I bet with a name like "Duo" you can pretty much be sure it will have dual core.

Or else people who buy a phone called "Duo" thinking obviously it would be dual core, and then it's not, will be suing Sony Ericsson for false advertising.
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
i read it`s dual core also search @ google.com u`ll find out.

edit : Xperia Duo=Here
[XPERIA X10 General] Lovrium:
Well, after all I´m looking forward to a fully working CM7 in September.

I know it`s a long time left to the update, but what can we do?

And does it really make sense to the developers to work there ass

off to make a stable 2.3 with the available kernel when they now know

when that official 2.3 comes with all they need to make their own ROM

The only solution for the future is to get a Nexus!
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Do you know that Google asked SE to release the x10 as the Nexus One? :p!
[XPERIA X10 General] Mr_Element:
+1 on that.

The only thing I'm looking forward to this update is because I want to see if the "new" or "patched" Kernel (call it whatever you like) will be able to support my favourite Gingerbread custom Rom , which is MiUI.

I care very little for the rest and frankly I'm tired of waiting SE to move her a$$. It's like going jogging with people and I'm remaining static-running on the same place waiting for the fat short guy at the end of the line to catch up with me. Really frustrating.

My next phone after those news will deffinitely be a Google Phone (propably Nexus). I'm not *****ing about SE , I can't get mad for not giving me what they never promised officialy. I really really want to get mad ... but unfortunately I can't!

The only thing I regret is for the pre-purchase research I never did before buying that device. Ok I was a noob a year ago , didn't have a clue about Bootladers , FPS Caps , Custom Roms , recovery partitions etc since it was my first time with a smart phone and with Android specifically , so I chose based on the looks.

If I did know anything about all that , I wouldn't go with SE hands down. She completely destroyed a beautifull device and now it's too late to fix the damage because that will compromize the success of Arc , Play , Neo etc.

So all in all the updates and the absolute freedom is all that matters to me. I want Google to fart and me smelling it. So I'll wait till September (yeah I believe that this is when we're gonna get the update) to see the compatibility between the "new" Kernel and the MiUI else , bye bye SE , hello Nexus! :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] tigermrk:
I'm quite disappointed with this update. I had hoped Sony would have focused more on adding "hidden" features rather then actually bringing 2.3 to the x10.

The multitouch link from Brazil is back on and the article hasn't been removed so who to believe?

Can anyone tell me why 16M colours hasn't been added in the custom roms / kernels yet?

I'm running trip miui with 3.52 custom kernel and the 2.3 video that is shown in rikards blog looked slowwww.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
You people are ridiculous. The only thing SE ever promised us was vanilla Gingerbread. No June 20, 16mil colors, fps cap, multitouch or open bootloader. We are the ones who thought those things up in this very thread. Then the idiot X10 blogs took the rumors floating around xda and posted them as facts. If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at yourselves. If that's not enough for you, be mad at the fools who spread misinformation.

BTW, August 15th is the end of the beginning of Q3, so it is not late until then. SE is not responsible for the irresponsible spreading of rumors around xda..cough...cough... Xperia84
[XPERIA X10 General] Hzu:
Blergh, more assumptions from the likes of you. Stop making assumptions and wait for the official news.

This post was sent from a telegraph machine.
[XPERIA X10 General] FallenOut:
+1
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I have to say, even with the smoothest custom rom for the x10, it's still laggier than stock, unrooted Arc. This might change with Gingerbread if there's a new kernel, but I don't expect much from this update other than an Arc port with working camera
[XPERIA X10 General] starsunali:
Really ??! I Never Know that

Do you know why sony do not accept it ??
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
If PlayGunsta knows any more, feel free to add! I'll just add what I read/heard (mind you, this was about the time the original nexus one was released).

Google went to HTC, SE, and Samsung (I'm not sure about Motorola) asking about producing Google's first flagship. SE turned Google down for several reasons:

•This was going to be their first Android smartphone and didn't think they could offer this phone on the timeline Google wanted it.

•They wanted to release a phone with their UI and wouldn't be able to work on a Nexus AND their own line (makes sense since their Android division I would imagine be pretty small at the time) at the same time.

•As far as other things go, I can only speculate that the bootloader was an issue between the two companies - but this is only my personal opinion.

•I'm sure there were other things like licensing, fees, costs, etc. But none of that has ever been leaked if it even got that far (as far as I know).

•HTC ended up being the better partner anyways because they had a better relationship with the carriers in the states and a stronger smartphone manufacturing background (winmo, etc - they even built SE's X1 and X2).
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
That's very much true!

I bet that if I start a rumor that the next update will be HoneyComb, not only people will believe it, but later on, after they post thousands of question about it in the SE Product Blog, they will be outraged that the answer will be no... :D :D :D

The minute we think of something, the world owes it to us.

That's the kind of customers they have to please and it's not an easy task.

That being said, I was interested about a newest kernel, but if a patched one works with custom ROMs, it should be fine by me.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Yes, they could actually mostly not afford it, and they wanted to keep their own UI. SE had bad financial times...
[XPERIA X10 General] vmcms:
We expect developers to be able with this new update, carrying the camera and BRAVIA Engine for our x10 ...
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
I have to agree with that, but some of these hopes come from real life evidence.

Multitouch - Brazil SE spoils that.

16M - Thai Expo spoils it.

Hmm... =\
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Actually this new 2.1 baseband/firmware update has really done well for the phones.

Some people are claiming that FPS goes above 35 for a few seconds then back at 32.

I think this is just a 'test' of what will be the GB update.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
What has Sony Ericsson ever done to make you think that?

2.1 was delivered as promised, and dualtouch was GIVEN to us by the SE devs for FREE!

Sony Ericsson is the leader in bootloader policy, as HTC even decided to change its own policy after hearing Sony Ericsson had decided to open the bootloader on new devices. On March 24, HTC said locking bootloader. Then around March 30, Sony Ericsson said unlocking bootloader, and updating the X10 to 2.3.3. After all the positive response, HTC decides to listen to its users and keep bootloader opened.

We have the only device that I know of that has gotten updates from 1.6 to 2.3.3.
[XPERIA X10 General] paolo599:
thats because no other flagship phone that is capable of handling 2.3.3 started with 1.6
[XPERIA X10 General] josephislee:
LOOOL so true :D
[XPERIA X10 General] acmbc:
Well, Q2 is 2/3 of the way over, and little news from SE other than the original announcement.

To me, it kind of appears that SE didn't really know that the x10 could handle much much more than what it launched with. Hence all the backflips in their "official position".

...and thanks to all the people on XDA who IMHO are responsible for this happening by showing SE it could be done (and how!).
[XPERIA X10 General] mingkee:
It'd never, ever, ever, ever happen on sam****!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Because no other flagship phone with such hardware was produced

when Donut was Google's latest version. ;)

And I'm not talking about the actual release date of the phone,

I am referring to when SE started producing it.

Either way, we get what we deserve right?

That has to count for something. It's an 1 year old phone

and it is still supported and updated.

As much as I want to believe that this community, that I am proudly a part of,

showed SE what her phone can and can't do (and how),

I choose to be realistic and acknowledge that SE -and any other company for that matter- knows its product.

That being said, developers here have done a wonderful job, all for free,

and I think I'm speaking on behalf of everybody when I say that we are grateful.
[XPERIA X10 General] ooidort:
Seeing that they just might not even update the kernel version, I'm not having high hopes in regards of having the FPS uncapped. But, if it's going to be as smooth as the latest 2.1.B.0.1 FW, I'm going to be fairly happy because all the Gingerbread functionality will be there. I'm not saying that they won't release the update at all, just that they probably will not up the FPS limit from 32 to 60, based on what I've read in the arc section of this forum.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
About the kernel not being updated:

if it does not get updated, no Gingerbread functions will be there and that's a fact.

Secondly, all android updates have to be approved by Google.

Now, can somebody tell me why would Google approve a fake Gingerbread firmware,

on Eclair (not even Froyo) kernel?

Does it make sense to anyone? Because it doesn't to me.

The photos that leaked were proved to be fake, so I wouldn't read too much into them.

Having said that, we can't know for sure how "good" this update will be,

but it will be a step forward and maybe it will give our developers here more things to work on... ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] ooidort:
Well, when I said all the Gingerbread functionality, I meant the stuff that's apparent to the end user, as in flash support in the browser and such. Besides, SE is not using the "real" Gingerbread 2.6.35 kernel on their 2011 lineup either, but their own 2.6.32. I'm waiting for the update as much as everyone else here, I'm just trying to not be as overhyped about it as I was about the 2.1 update. Overall SE has treated us fairly well, and has clearly listened to our feedback.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Yes, they are using the 2.6.32 kernel on 2011 Xperias

as being more compatible with their hardware,

it's still Gingerbread kernel though.

I am not defending SE per se, and I too think the hype over the 2.1 update was pretty

nerve-stretching :D so I'm also trying to keep cool, yet reasonable. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] acmbc:
Sure, but companies and their staff usually work against a tight deadline for product launches - The X10 community had more time with the phone after launch than SE had before launch, and "thinking outside the box" is not always corporate policy.

Personally, I couldn't give a fig if I'm on the "latest greatest sexiest" version of any SW (which usually comes along with bugs) - as long as the phone does what it has to and can do. Which was not the case at launch OR with Eclair.

If anything, the greatest gain of it all from all the work done, is SE's change in the support and upgrade policy for the X10 and their change of position re. locking up bootloaders.

+1 for truly open source/platforms
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
I have to disagree with this. There is a huge difference. Although, those differences may be more important to others, they are to many people a deal breaker.

1.6 was great when it first came out. Fast and stable. However, it came out as 1.6 when 2.1 was already out and 2.2 out already and 2.3 being released. It was way behind. Each version offers things that the previous version can not have. Some of those features are a must, or a hold a very high priority to many power users.

Wifi hot spot, flash, 720p recording, and app support. One of the biggest complaints from people on 1.6 is that many apps no longer support it and will not work, even 2.1 users are running into that more and more each day with apps being 2.2+ only. Hell even live wallpapers were not in 1.6. Plus many more other behind the changes that make each newer vesion much better.

Right now even at 2.1, we are very, very out dated.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
So you're trying to say newer means better? Like running windows 7 on a pc made for windows xp? I don't see that happening ;)

But, our x10 can handle easily gingerbread so newer means faster. But will it be better?