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[Acer Iconia A500] lrs421:
I understand where you’re coming from and I do think the Acer is great too but these threads tend to be a little one sided (it is in the Acer forum afterall :)). While I’m not accusing you of doing this many people in threads like this are just simply trying to justify their purchases. When I purchased my Gtablet a few weeks ago I was trying to convince myself upgrading to anything else would be a waste of money, I did the same when I purchased the Acer (I still feel as if they’re great in their price range). I don’t have lots of excess cash either but I was fortunate enough to play with the Gtablet, Acer and Xoom side by side for several days. I too watched all the forums closely and saw the dev frustration with the Acer and one who returned his after bricking it. In the end I chose the Xoom and decided the $150.00 premium was worth it for these reasons:

1)	Working recovery. If you brick the Acer right now you have no way to return to US factory stock without sending it to Acer.

2)	Dev support, while this may have to do with time in the market place the Xoom forum offered more possibilities right now, I realize this may change.

3)	Accessories. This may seem trivial but it was important to me. Googling the word “Xoom” brought back a myriad of custom accessories like docks, car chargers and multiple cases.

4)	Proven manufacturer support. When the Moto got 3.1 on launch that showed me that both Google and Moto were committed to keeping this product up to date. The jury is still out on what Acer is going to do beyond 3.1. I’m certain the Xoom will live on (well atleast for 18 months :)).

5)	The screen, don’t get me wrong, the Xoom screen isn’t stellar but the grid lines on the Acer drove me nuts, damn OCD!!

There are a few things I miss about the Acer, fully functional USB support being one of them. After owning virtually all of these devices though I have come to the conclusion that the perfect tab doesn’t exist. I really thought I was going to keep the Acer long term but in end the end I chose otherwise. Don’t get me wrong, I still believe that the Acer has lots of potential and will be a tough tab to beat once/if the source is released and we get a working recovery. I may be back if they do.

One more thing, the Xoom issues I mostly experienced were and are honeycomb issues. Running a customer kernel makes the xoom an absolute monster (IMO). You’ll read about more problems simply because more people have it and it’s been rooted and torn apart which opens the door to other stuff….
[Acer Iconia A500] chay03:
points well taken.

You wanted something more and paid the premium. I couldn't pay that much more as I would not want to root mine. I was in the market for a glorified Internet tablet and this is good enough. I too had the G-Tablet and sold it the next day.

Bottom line, Xoom works great for you, Acer works great for me.
[Acer Iconia A500] lrs421:
Couldn't have said it better my self ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] janduin:
having just looked at all 3, watching quite a few reviews, and lurking the same 3 forums for the past week, i finally bought one of them.

the transformer.

reasoning is, i've seen less complaints from them, the complaints that are there in general are more niggles about little things. also, it seems that asus' support is more involved in getting things updated. they've already received 4+ OTAs to update software, fix bugs, and remedy general problems.

granted, it does have its share of problems, but i spoke with my money, and bought the one that i felt was the best all around and grabbed the asus.
[Acer Iconia A500] Canadoc:
own the Acer and the transformer. Am on the second transformer and both suffer build quality issues.

Light bleed is noticeable when viewiong in the dark even at lowest brightness settigns. Also there is some flex or creak in the case.

The quality of the screen however is much richer.

The annoying alignment grid pattern of the pixels on the iconia bothers me because I usually view with it about 1 foot away and for them to not be noticeable to my eye s I need to hold the tablet more like 18 inches away.

Transformer is warmer and sharper without the grid appearance even at 6 inches away. Also off axis viewing is nicer on the transformer and I love the dock concept for extra battery life and more productivity etc while giving the adde dports for when I need them.

My Acer has been solid with only software glitches and 1 tiny dust spec under the screen but seems built more solid.

It ios thicker and heavier though and battery life is apparently a bit shorter but have not made a comparison myself.

Decisions decisions.....if i had no lightbleed hands down the transformer is better tablet for me but the iconia seems built better. I don't need a usb port on the tab if I have a keyboard dock. sure I i want access to an external HD on my tablet the usb port is ice, but chances are if I did I would want access to the dock anyway for the added battery life or the keyboard for creation work
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
My primary buying point isn't how customizable the tablet is (it's a factor sure, but a tiny one). No, the most important factor for me is the Out Of the Box experience. I still haven't made my choice yet, but I've been into the store several times and spent time playing with each of the Xoom, Transformer, and Iconia, and so far for me, the Iconia has the better OOB experience.

From outset, it just does MORE than the other two can do and that's an important factor because 95% of people who buy a tablet will not be rooting it.
[Acer Iconia A500] lrs421:
I'm not sure I agree with you about oob experience. The Acer and moto were pretty even in that regard, the grid lines were pretty bad IMO. Without tweaking though the edge goes to the iconia because of cost. 95% of the general public won't consider rooting but 95% of xda'rs will.

Sent from Desire HD or Inspire 4G or whatever this thing is called via premium XDA app.
[Acer Iconia A500] Canadoc:
Out of the box the asus was the best. It has dlna and cloud storage. It has built in remote desktop functionalityand it has the best office suite available.

For those that prefer produtivity the dock with keyboard is a definite plus.

I think of these three as a spectrum. Xoom is best built but screen is so so and it is most costly.

Iconia offers all the xoom does in a more affordable package. So i see no reason to get a xoom unless you want knowledge that google will always be supporting and updating its reference tablet.

Asus offers best value and modular configuratioon giving laptop ornetbook functionality. It has the nicest screen so far on a honeycomb tablet as well. Its only drawbackright now is lack of supply and some build quality issues which might be related.

Samsung sounds like it wants to be the ipad of android tablets. For those that dont carle about expansion it will be lightest and thinnest design. But it will carry xoom pricing for the wifi model.

For the masses it will likely be the most populari option as i suspect most tablet buyers want an ipad but dont want to be tied to apple and itunes and want flash in their browsers.
[Acer Iconia A500] cbotd:
Dual User of Xoom and Acer

As another dual user of both tablets (XOOM and A500) I concur here. On all points, and each were equally important to me. The Acer is very well made and positioned with the right feature set and price point to be a winner. When it came down to personal preference, for me, the Xoom won out for the same reasons above.

I would add one reason to the list however, GPS. I don't use it much, but when I do the Xoom locks on fast and offers many satellites to choose from.

I also don't see one tablet being so much better than the next to really stand out on it's own.

HTC, Samsung, Toshiba, Amazon, Sony, Viewsonic, Lenovo, Elocity and many others will try. I believe each will have their own troubles to overcome but I do really like that I can still pick and choose what feature set is important to me (design, size, inputs, outputs, etc) and continue to get the Android OS.
[General Topics] 00negative:
I don't understand how Google, phone manufacturers, and carriers justify not releasing security related updates in a timely manner. We should not have to wait for bloat and custom UI to be added so that we can get updates to make sure our data is safe, especially if there is a known issue.

Would you accept this on your PC or Mac? Then why do we on our phones...

Not you fat Jesus
[General Topics] SIIII:
Tired of reading about android security issues all the time. Hope they managed to fix it once and for all.
[General Topics] xandry:
This is very sad. I hope Google ever release a patch in an accessible form.
[General Topics] Dirk:
Google patched up the latest issue in less than a day from when it was reported. Know any other companies that efficient?

If you think you can be the first programmer to release perfectly secure software, then go ahead. You'll be a very rich man.
[General Topics] 00negative:
That was a day after they were called out. Who knows how long they actual knew of issue, it doesn't make world news at the first instance of someone finding that hole.

Hackers will always find holes just saying they need to be able to plug them efficiently. You can't say that they can right now because of the mfg and carriers grip on update releases. Google has no way to bypass that if they can't fix the problem on their end.

Not you fat Jesus
[General Topics] francodapalermo:
:cool: :cool::cool::cool::cool:
[General Topics] 00negative:
I don't fault Google nearly as much as the phone manufacturers and carriers, evidence by Nexus line of phones and their updates, but Google bought into this distribution structure and it wont change with out them forcing some changes.

Maybe they force each carrier to offer a Nexus line of phone for those of us that want security and patches as they become available.

Not you fat Jesus
[General Topics] ckoadiyn:
They fixed it on there end tho from my understanding
[General Topics] autom8r:
This is all just a bunch of media frenzied crap...
[General Topics] 00negative:
Wow...amazing

Not you fat Jesus
[General Topics] bbgt2:
If it was just up to Google we would have the update, the carriers are at fault here.

Its the carriers that take forever and a day to release the updates for their customers.

Call them and complain see what they tell you, they will give you a look similar to a deer caught in the headlights stare over the phone or put you on hold so you can talk to someone who has about as much knowledge about my SGS as my 3yo does.

Edit: YES AT&T I am talking about you !
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
It'd be nice if Google just sold Android phones themselves with the same price as the carrier would sell them for on or off contract.

Google for a carrier.
[General Topics] 00negative:
That is what Nexus line was suppose to be but isn't very successful when your main carrier in US is one of the smaller ones and isn't even an option due to lack of coverage for a number of potential customers

Not you fat Jesus
[General Topics] galaxys:
?

There were 2 Nexus versions: one for T-Mobile bands and one for AT&T bands!
[General Topics] sidramalik100:
well thanks of your nice post
[General Topics] 00negative:
Google was suppose to sell them via there own online store. And the first one only had TMobile bands, I believe, where are the CDMA phones?

Besides go ask iPhone users about that stellar ATT coverage.

Not you fat Jesus
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JustSayMyName:
I am planning to buy samsung galaxy s II, but i have read news from samsung galaxy tab 10.1. I also read the news that tablets will beat the smartphones in the future. They have pros and cons on each. I am quite confused that samsung galaxy tab 10.1 is cheaper ($499) than samsung galaxy s II ($800+). So if you're gonna choose between the two, sgs II or sam tab 10.1? This also is a battle between smartphone and tablet. A need vs a want. Which do you think is better to have?

I have also read that even the best smartphone is no match on any tablet.

I'll give a advantages and disadvantages of the two:

a) Smartphone

Pros: - a phone

- more portable

- more stable

- community (custom roms)

- rootable*

Cons: - more expensive

- smaller means less performance

- slower

- not so great for watching movies and web browsing

b) Tablet

Pros: - cheaper

- better performance

- bigger display

- better movie watching

- better gaming experience

- better multitasking

-better web browsing

Cons: - bigger

- not as powerful as a netbook that's almost its size

- not a phone

All are the same excluding the pros and cons of the both

The choice is yours
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SBS_:
Except for the fact that the SGSII has a lower resolution screen while having a faster cpu than the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Which makes it... faster and better for multi-tasking.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trs020382:
A smartphone is for doing phone stuff, and a tablet is for browsing the internet etc. I wouldn't use a tablet as a replacement for a phone!
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cinner:
I woud consider a tablet a replacement for a small laptop, not a smartphone.

If you use your smartphone's features (like browsing the web and using email) mostly around the house, then I would pick a tablet over a smartphone, and get a cheaper Android phone to go along with it.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onbacardi:
- smaller means less performance

wrooong..

++ smaller means you can take it anywhere without having to have a bum bag too.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wekko306:
Smartphones are way more portable than tablets, which for me means I'd take a smartphone over a tablet any day if I could have only one. I can't be bothered to take a 10" tablet with me everywhere I go, but definitely love the functionalities of a smartphone.

If you can have just 1: smartphone > tablet
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trs020382:
Agreed, if I had the choice between the two, it would be the phone. A tablet is a nice convenient toy.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] pezley:
Alright guys, after a little help.

I have a dev account which has a limit ( i think of 3 ? )

I have one phone, my colleague another so we have a spare. A friend of mine is on NODO and wants his live tiles fixed so i could technically unlock it, do the reg update and all would be good , except that wastes our last dev unlock which we wanted to keep spare in case one of our phones becomes faulty.

Is that how it works ? or can I unlock his device and then relock it when done, giving me back the extra device ?

thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] michael_chea7:
If you login to your developer account and look at the device registration it should show you a list of phones and next to the phone there is an option to remove, that should work.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rhinobomb:
A while back I followed the directions to create an SD card bootable cm7 (from nightly). Everything worked perfect and with the card in it booted to cm7 and without it back to stock (rooted 1.0.1). When bn released 1.2 I decided to try it and re-partitioned my sd card to a single fat32. I used the adb method to indicate 8 failed boot attempts and restored the nc to stock then did a factory reset through settings. I was then able to install 1.2 downloaded from bn website. My assumption was that my nc was now 100% stock but it doesn't seem that this is the case. I now have a new sd card (not the same as I had first used) and tried to run cm7.0.3 using the same method as before. I downloaded the 1.1 version of the cm7 installer sd image and after writing it to the card I copied over the cm7.0.3 for encore rom. I put the sd card in my nc expecting to boot up to an install but instead it booted my old nightly build, wallpaper and apps intact. How do I remove this old installation and why was it not running strictly from the SD card?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Hey guys:)

First of all: I'm not good in develop! But i want to start with CM porting to our Gen8:)

I just get some infos from chulri how to port CM.

What have to be do:

Build-Scripts for CM on Gen8

Extract some Gen8 Binaries

Build the Kernel with Touchscreen Drivers

Build-Scripts for CM on Gen8

I started a Thread at the CM Forum about this:) I'll report here..

( http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/24048-cm-port-to-archos-gen8/ )

Extract some Gen8 Binaries

I hope chulri will answere me soon so i can do this:)

Build the Kernel with Touchscreen Drivers

This have to be done from a guy who has Kernel Knowledge! Anyone?;)

If anyone's interested i could send a link with an how to, i've found onthe web :)

Everybody is invited to help to getting this Project started!:)

Greetz,

Lenn
[Gen8 Android Development] Scaryghoul:
I'm not a great porter, but I've shadowed a lot of porting with the cm roms, I'll try to do my part if you host the project on something like github(both kernel and rom). I also have a little bit of kernel development experience.
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Thats good:) You know more than me;):D

I just could host the normal kernel and rom, because i've do nothing yet:D

(When chulri answered me i'll catch the original binaries, you can read this here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1029507&page=3 )

You think you could the first step i described?

That would be assome:)

thank you for start the ball rolling!
[Gen8 Android Development] Scaryghoul:
Not sure what you mean, you want me to explain how to extract the original binaries?
[Gen8 Android Development] eagleofdeath13:
If you need a tester i'm your man ^^

(and if i can be of help with anything else learn me and i'll try ^^)
[Gen8 Android Development] LeoNg628:
link should be this?

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/19647-archos-gen8/page__view__findpost__p__196966
[Gen8 Android Development] LeoNg628:
First of all, Thanks for a help appear!!

I think he mean the step of porting CM7 to gen8 is:

1.Build-Scripts for CM on Gen8

2.Extract some Gen8 Binaries

3.Build the Kernel with Touchscreen Drivers

so, step 1 should be "1.Build-Scripts for CM on Gen8"..:cool:
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
I dont know, when chulri respone me i'll report it here:)

@eagleofdeath13

Thanks for support!:) Maybe you could search someone with Kernel knowledge who could do the first step, i think this is hard:D

@LeoNg628

Yep,sorry about that, thank you for correcting me;)

Thank goes to all you guys!
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Yep,you're right;)

But i think its the hardest step :( and i've kernel knowledge,

We have to find someone with Kernel Knowledge who could do this

(Except chulri, i always ask him, but he has to much work right now..)
[Gen8 Android Development] Scaryghoul:
Oh, well I've never really created a build script before but there are plenty of guides instructing on how to do so.

Extracting the binaries usually consists of adb pulling all of the binaries required for the complication that are proprietary/closed source. I suppose you could just copy/paste them to your sdcard then copy to a computer if adb weren't around but that's just extra work.

As to which binaries we need, I'm not sure yet but we can cross that bridge in a bit.

To make the build script, we should probably analyze other build scripts for other devices and the directories for them.

This thread might aid in development, I doubt they have the build scripts for archos but they at least have examples in the program I'm sure and other tools to use.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=969266

Also for whoever attempts to get a functional kernel for cm7 this page may be useful(or possibly me just making sure I read this later)

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Howto:_Build_a_Kernel_Port
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Thank you!:);)

Okey, you really knows a lot more than i am:D

I'll do the binaries, just say me where they are?^^

Maybe you could try the Build script(s)...

And for the Touchscreen Driver:

We've to look for somebody who do the instructions i've found on the net:)
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Okey, i know this Thread, its great:) except the fact it don't support Archos :mad:^^

I'll send a message at these guys about archos devices and parallels about our gen8 devices ad supported devices, so we could create our own script to do it from scratch like they've do:)

But i now i go to bed^^
[Gen8 Android Development] chrulri:
To start with build scripts I would recommend to find a device - which is supported by CM, if there even is one - which has similiar hardware as the Archos Gen8 series and start from there instead to start from scratch.

If there is no such similiar device series you unfortunately would have to start from scratch :p
[Gen8 Android Development] LeoNg628:
I have Desire and Desire HD also Aria and Legend....but all is HTC...the hardware spec is not similar to Archos gen8....
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Okey,thank you:)

there is no device similar to our archos that is supported:(

But is it possible to "mix" it?

Like:

Cpu - from a phone that has Arm Cortex A8

[...]

we put together all parts:)

woukd that be possible?
[Gen8 Android Development] chrulri:
Yes, CPU might be the most important common part, then WiFi/BT, DSP (for hardware acceleration of videos), Sound, Touchscreen and in the end USB host port.

I haven't found anything too, but I did some research in the beginning of this year: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.p...nMod_for_Sholes#Prepare_the_Build_Environment

After installing the repository on the build machine, you have all the build scripts from other devices and can copy and adapt them.

Agreed

Agreed too ;)
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Okey, but how do we get these firmwares out of the archos firmware?:)

Okey, i just have a windows pc, but i think i put linux on it:)

Ubuntu is the best for developening, isn't it?

I have to talk to my brother (with-owner of the pc):D

I'll put a dual-boot system on my pc:)

I want Cyanogen!:D
[Gen8 Android Development] chrulri:
a) adb pull (this is what the "extract_files.sh" does)

b) root the device and copy files one by one

c) root the device, copy the filesystem image and extract the files by script

So you start developing? If not, no need for linux at all ;)

4 days ago you wanted UrukDroid, 3 day ago you wantet Honeycomb, now you want CM, will you stay this time? :p ;)
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
Sorry, im a noob:D:D I just don´t understand.

Adb pull is copy files over adb(command connection over usb); right?

I try:D I reset my Pc anyway:D

Same answer as in 2 ;) :D
[Gen8 Android Development] dtr145r:
from what i understand 2.2, 2.3 doesnt support usb hosting which is needed for the archos screen

is there a fix for that?

i know android 3.0, 3.1 support usb hosting...
[Gen8 Android Development] Lenn:
The usb hosting on android 3.0 you mean is the usb hosting we have already at the full size usb host (usb memory sticks,etc.)

There is a problem about the touchscreen and porting, you're right.

But i've found a how to for that at web:)
[Gen8 Android Development] compyy:
Yes, but Archos is based on 2.2, we can use the stock drivers.
[Gen8 Android Development] saprano614:
Can someone just let me know when there is a port of cyan working and i will be happy to test. I know nothing about developing but i have used cyan stuff on my old G1 and loved it so i would love to have it on my 70it.
[Gen8 Android Development] compyy:
I think we should contact Archos Support, ask them either provide the support for 2.3.4 or give us the drivers for touchscreen, remaining will be done by other geniuses ;)