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[XPERIA X10 General] Bennachie:
Sod the millions of colours and the fps caps and the open boot loader thingys. Can anyone tell me if GB will allow us to use X10 as a phone and hear people at the other end of the call?

Come on someone must know..................................:(
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
dont think its been confirmed by se officially but thats something id put money on them doing, they have promised it so will more than likely be done with the 2.3
[XPERIA X10 General] jayman1986:
No but you can spend a lot less on a Nokia 1800 which is capable. If your happy with that.
[XPERIA X10 General] Eugene1991:
Sorry if this was already posted? I'm not sure..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cMJmK_Rng4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4DbF-AJH7w

He mentioned it's out at Champa Region??
[XPERIA X10 General] sagacious1:
im still amazed that you guys are getting scores likes that. with stock 2.1 rooted and JIT enabled i only get 820 at best. I HOPE that 2.3 will be on par with your score or better....
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
All dont matter what they gave us and what not, if they would gave us unlocked Bootloader all Kernel stuff from them we dont need, cmon we have jerpelea and zdzihu here they gut us a custom Kernel with all nice things added in no time and stable like a SE Kernel would be. The problem is just bypassed is a whole different Story, with an fully unlocked Bootloader there are way more opportunities and its alot easier for all Devs.
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
Thats TripnARC or a modified 2.1 ARC lookalike, nothing other^^
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
It's TripNArc... There is no facebook inside xperia... Also look at baseband and kernel. It's a troll!
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
It will use more RAM and processor for sure, but also when the CPU is more being used it will also reduce battery life. If they find a way to reduce that as much as possible, it could be implemented.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
No offense to you or any other dev, but our devs are having the same difficulty bringing us the exact same features. The custom kernel does not have 16 mil colors, 60 fps limit (unlimited is buggy), multitouch, we can't open the bootloader, and we don't have a fully functional camera. I am tired of people acting like SE's only reason for not giving us those features is to mess with us. What about performance limitations like battery drain?
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Why do you think they can't deliver? Yes because the bootloader is locked, and bypassed is not enough!
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
There possible through bypass.
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
Yes, but on the other hand it was zdzihu who stated that he would sell X1o when we won´t get an unlocked bootloader with 2.3.3 :(

To be frank who really needs 16mio colours? I had owned a Samsung Wave with Samoled display before i bought the X10. But who needs best contrast and colours when the software is immature and the legibility in sunlight is worse? For a tv this is so much more important imo:D
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
16mill colors will fix all problems with gradient colors... Software is already great, but 16mill colors would make it awesome! And that's why everyone wants it!
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
I'd really appreciate it if someone explained to me the exact differences between unlocking the bootloader & bypassing it, not just saying it's better but what are the benefits?

I remember when bin4ry had some progress in bypassing the bootloader he said that there won't be any difference with actually unlocking it & there will be no limitation, he said the only difference is that we must still use xrecovery for a custom kernel
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
Of course, and i would appreciate the 16mio colours, too. :p

But if SE give us the choice between 16 mio colours or an unlocked bootloader i would definitely choose the unlocked bootloader. That´s all ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
List of benefits:

- Phone can be bricked

- CWM recovery :)!

- Get another OS instead of android

- Custom Kernel (Already possible with the bypass)

- Much more things!
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Lets not forget about modifying the NAND partition. ;)

And other stuff... lol
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Phone can be bricked<<That's what I want to do;)

cheers,

L
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Why would you want it bricked? :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
He used this thing called sarcasm. Notice the "wink" ?
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Sorry things are usually so serious here i forget to laugh. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I don't care what the reason. Our devs have security limitations, and the SE devs have performance, hardware, resource, legal, time, and money limitations.

The point remains, our devs haven't been able to give us the implementations, so what makes everyone think SE just has to hit a button and everything will work fine? How long will the hardware last under those conditions, will it cause overheating, how does it effect performance and battery life?
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
SE does the testing if they implment, so why would even think about overheating then :p?! And security limitations are the bootloader.
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
i kinda get where your coming from,but no phone maker would make a phone lock the bootloader so the phone dont set on fire.wouldnt suprise me if se already had all the stuff we want in beta i.e 16 million colours,but its pretty obvious its all held back because of the arc,and new lines,the battery on the x10 is a higher mAH than most phones and the hardware is all pretty popular standard stuff. this is all a real waste of time now, i like many was angry but we cant be angry forever so lets look 2 the positive side and move on :):)
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
yeah I knew about those first two but I didn't know about the third one which is the only interesting one & the only one that one can actually call benefit, so overall I still think opening the boot loader is not that important, at least personally for me
[XPERIA X10 General] william0410:
personally, i don't really want an unlocked bootloader... i'm scared of getting my phone bricked and i don't see any real benefits?
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
bricking once youve had the experience of installing xrecovery and routing n flashing roms isnt really much of an issue imo, only really when you dont have a clue what your doing :)
[XPERIA X10 General] webbsmurfen:
Whats the big diffrence between 2.2 and 2.3.3. Is there a reason to change to 2.3.3, or should i stay with 2.2?
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
That's because we bypass the bootloader. Opened bootloader is much easier to brick and harder to unbrick. It can happen to anyone.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Opened bootloader isn't a benefit for us but for our devs its a BIG deal. They can do so much more for us.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
yeah it can,but touch wood iv rooted all my mates fones installed roms n stuff and no problems yet, i just think the chances of you bricking are greatly increased if yav not done it before:)
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
you got anymore news/info dude?
[XPERIA X10 General] josephislee:
Its not as significant as the eclair to froyo upgrade, but it's still a welcome upgrade. It's faster, better power management, and new connectivity options like NFC,.which is obviously pretty irrelevant to the x10.
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
A unlocked Bootloader is thousand times better then 16m Colors,Fps uncap and MT becouse with a unlocked Bootloader the Devs here can do so much, they can do 16m Colors,Fps uncap and MT in no time and alot more than that. Fully working custom Roms and Kernels we have in no Time then, so i prefer a Bootloader 100 Times over SE implement some additional Features. But BTW why all guys expect that Features from SE? Was it implemented in 1.6? No Was it in 2.1? No. Why they should implement it in 2.3 now? Why should 2.3 bring us 16m colors,Fps Uncap and MT? SE never said it will come with 2.3, it was only rumored here from some Users and now everyone expect it to come. Yes i hate it too that they dont implement it but its not like im angry becouse SE never said it will come, SE said nothing about these Features they only said Q2 or beginning Q3 they release 2.3 so they didnt break anything they said so why are all angry at them again like it was when 2.1 was delayed. When it was 2.1 i was angry too becouse they delayed it always but 2.3 isnt delayed? We have 2.3 and DT, 2 things SE said they will never gave us, why can People be more angry with that then with 2.1 and no DT?
[XPERIA X10 General] Mayazcherquoi:
End of life.
[XPERIA X10 General] sagacious1:
end of life? how so? the x10 has great hardware. all we have to do is catch up with software. with development we're always catching up. i suppose if you compare it to the evo 3D then it's reached "end of life" but this phone is plenty capable. although i do wish phone ram was upgradable. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
Doesnt mean much to SE^^ They didnt even wanted to give us above 2.1, so we can be happy to get 2.3.3 and maybe some surprise? who knows. Lets wait till its out and then decide. Maybe their 2.3 is very good and they include some Features they didnt wanted like DT back then, they must of heard the User Feedback so why this Time not? But it could be very bad and laggy too, we all know what it is when its out and i think until that we dont need to write here about how bad SE is becouse they dont to that and that.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Or two sim card slots which would be a big selling point in the EU I think.
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
It seems that it is in our nature that we are never satisfied. :D

Especially when it is about technology where everything is so fast moving ppl want always more. Users watch or try this new generation phones like the SG2 or HTC Sensation, phones they perhaps aren´t able to buy right now and compare them with the X10.

Besides the X10 is compared with phones from the same generation and with similar specs like the HTC Desire, for example. Phones which got Frojo so much earlier or which were released with Eclair while they were stuck on Donut. Phones where 16mio colours have been a naturalness.

But i guess devs like you are so much more appreciated by users who think that there phones are a kind of Ferraris just allowed to drive slowly on dirty bad roads.

Guys like you are buying the damn fast highways....thanks for that, dude :D
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
3 new Gingerbread sources from Sony Ericsson.

Was unable to identify any X10 parts in them. So might not be for the X10, but could be wrong.

So might be for the newly announced handsets.

3.0.1.C.0.80 - June 23rd 2011

3.0.1.F.0.126 - June 23rd 2011

3.0.1.C.1.6 - June 23rd 2011
[XPERIA X10 General] azrull:
Personally, I think we should let SE release that GB first. And then let our developer complete their respective Custom ROM for GB (CM and MiUI). Don't throw our anger too much to them. They are developing for us and we are here to rely our beloved developer. Just a matter of time. No need to be pushy and greedy. In the end, we regret about it.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
hope it is for X10. :)

Where did you find them? There is nothing on PTCRB

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] vmcms:
Rom new comes around ... take a look.TripNArc "Iris" arc@xperia 1.0! - S.E. VS TRIP 0-1, this is how its supposed to be done:D
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/cws/devworld/search-downloads/opensource?cc=gb&lc=en

Just sources for new phones. Nothing interesting..
[XPERIA X10 General] eureka9092000:
Why Trip keep building and rebuilding his rom..it is the same over and over again..look at j after cm7 get final state he move foward to build another rom for example aosp but Trip keep doing the same things..get bored that ways..:p
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Funny, the situation with SE in like a beloved song of mine:

"You can't always get what you want... but if you try sometimes...

you just might find... you get what you need"

:D :D :D

We of course can't have a tablet-specific android version on our 1 year old phones,

yet we all at times complained at/for SE and has given us things like dual touch and a GB update.

And with the bootloader bypassed and our developers working on custom ROMs and hacks,

it could be all we need! ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
HC as it is now, has nothing to do with out x10. It's a tablet OS right now. Our x10 is not a tablet. However, HC is going to be available for mobile phones. The mobile phone version is coming, and yes, when it does, our x10 will run it just fine.

Talk to anyone with a G1 that are running newer versions of droid running perfectly, with "better" (theres that word again) performance over the original 1.4 OS.

****, I have android 2.2

on my HTC TOUCH(vogue)

!! and it runs amazing! and it's not even an android device. It's originally a winmobile6 device and it runs "better" now that it ever did on win6, OR any previous version of android.

Please stop using the whole xp/win7 comparison. Until at least android requires newer hardware ie: dual core CPU, like jumping from xp to vista/win7 etc.

Until then, it's a poor comparison.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Well said there.

After I have tried froyo on my phone, I feel that the .32 kernal would just work fine with a few tweaks (hope we can use the same method to bypass or even unlock the bootloader). I'm not sure whether it's possible but maybe devs here will port over the ice cream sandwich for us?
[XPERIA X10 General] Rasmusvm:
gb will be out end of this year hopefully :P se seems kinda lazy lol
[XPERIA X10 General] LordRevan:
We do really need a decently stable Rom. I could not find a rom that is really stable on this X10. Stock Roms are not stable either (I get frequent reboots when running certain apps) but at least all the hardware works ok. I think the broswer in Eclair has some issues too, and I can't really play videos via browser which gets stuck during playing.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
It's not that your browser is screwed, it's the fact that 2.1 does not support (and therefore you can't install) flash => no video streaming in browser.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
My two cents.

I waited anxiously for the X10. I bought it because of the ergonomic case and that the GPS was functional unlike the Galaxy S. That every one said that it would be updated was a bonus.

The kernel that 1.6 and 2.1 is running on has been shown to have serious security issues. SE is obliged to update the kernel, at the least, however it is the carriers responsibility to release it to the end customers and SE can't push it to end users with branded phones.

SE has obviously made a deal with facebook perhaps as part of a bid to create a FB phone, to more tightly integrate android os beyond the regular widgets. The integration works and they are willing to deliver us along with Arc/Play. I'm sure it can be turned off, just as much as the other sync functions can be controlled.

I am more interested that we lose no camera functions.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Unknown13x, who gives us inside information on occasion, said the other day that SE was working on porting the X10 camera app to the Gingerbread update, so hopefully we won't.
[XPERIA X10 General] keijames:
The update will come after all other Android phone has been upgraded to gingerbread ROM.

SE making sure, no one interested buying remining X10 stocks, then will release 2.3.3 for X10 to give last push for sale.

cheers
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Q

The update is scheduled to come in 30 days. We'll see.....

The X10 would appeal to a completely different demographic at this point. ARC and Play are for people willing to spend money and want the latest technology. New X10 sales are bargain shoppers and people with free upgrades. Two completely different target markets.
[XPERIA X10 General] EffectX:
best browser to use that streams flash videos flawlessly IMO is Skyfire, was the first thing i installed when i got my X10i. beats the hell out of any other browser :D
[XPERIA X10 General] rotundo:
If this really happens it will be the best thing ever. Imagine what the coders could do for custom roms? Look how far they've gotten without any sony data whatsoever.

Long live the coding community. I tip my hat to ye all. Will maybe try out the Sony 2.3 for a few days until a good coder has time to make it better!
[XPERIA X10 General] rotundo:
Oh really I've been using that Dolphin Browser HD. Will give Skyfire a shot as I do stream a lot of video and my CM7 likes to reboot at a crucial part of my prisonplanet.tv films!

BTW. If anyone is interested I have a paid account there and they allow you to share with up to 7 people since they want the word spread.

Sure most people think he's crazy but if you actually read the articles on infowars.com or prisonplanet.com they are well sourced and not just the ramblings of a mad man. This madness is REALLY going on.

If this was too political I apologize.

Here in Canada our Saviour is Alan Watt.

Alex Jones give out a lot of good information but many believe he's a Rothschild plant.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Fwiw ATT is willing to wave the early upgrade fees if you have a issue with the X10a right now. My daughter's x10's usb port was loose and I wanted them to waive the $50 replacement fee and they offered a free another brands new phone first. I told them how unhappy I am with the android updates etc. And that I was planning on leaving before they granted the replacement rebate.

They still seem to have scripts that tell them to say that the X10a is $400 list and valuable. I told them that without a update and since they were sending a refurbished unit officially EOL it was worthless.
[XPERIA X10 General] sxrmafia:
seeing the recent update which came thru for german users i can be sure that 2.3.3 will be a treat :D
[XPERIA X10 General] keijames:
You mean the recent update for ARC / PLAY 2.3.3 ? OR X10 ?
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
He is referring to the latest German 2.1 update, which according to some users it's more optimised and fast without JIT.
[XPERIA X10 General] keijames:
一well，sad isn't it ？ 2.1…

still got a month to wait.....
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Well in a way it's good since I don't have to be flashing and doing my app stuff when I'm in the middle of the exams, and I can flash the update when I return to HK =D
[XPERIA X10 General] Mayazcherquoi:
Is Sony Ericsson supporting this device with further updates after Gingerbread? At the moment, it doesn't look like it. So, end of life.
[XPERIA X10 General] kanchigo:
:rolleyes: oh, other "final rom" again...its still far way to get full working Rom...J's Rom. unless we have stock GB...or Devs stop developing...
[XPERIA X10 General] moritd:
he do what PPL want .he`s moving to HTC and making last roms for us and we asked for a arc style and he made it for us!
[XPERIA X10 General] anders260:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/24/atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-you-can-hack-it-up-today-or-wait-f/

the discovery that Motorola intends to unlock the Atrix's bootloader when it upgrades it to Android 2.3

hopefully the same will happen when we get the upgrade ;-)
[XPERIA X10 General] baz@gmx.co.uk:
please delete
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Well, i do need a stable Miui... :D
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
um.. yes it is. just because it won't get any more major updates doesn't mean that it'll stop being supported.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Nah, i'm 100% sure that SE won't give OS updates beyond 2.3, they said so themselves, and it would just be stupid to...it is a 1.5 year old device after all.

But as you said the devs will do what SE should do, but better :)
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Probably not but theres still hope after they decide not to give us gingerbread then later to give gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] oua354146:
Is X10 able upto 60fps??
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Do you even know why he does rebuild a ROM that is not final? Let me explain most important things.

- While rebuilding he can find bugs and fix them

- Make ROM faster by removing crap stuff

That's by far the most important things. So you should actually be happy that he rebuilds his ROM.
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
what about 2.3.4??

its a small OTA update...i think we can get that too...and if not from SE..can we install this on our own??
[XPERIA X10 General] princemarcus19:
2.3.4 is and update for video chat on google voice thats all , just like the arc the gona probly add this feature under 2.3.3
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
When we get 2.3.3 we can get 2.3.4 from our developers. But why would you want 2.3.4 if you don't have a frontfacing camera.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
yeah, 2.3.4 is useless to us.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Yeah.. it's kinda pointless.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Kinda? Totally pointless... It's like the Android version feeds them and not the functionality. They want things on a phone that won't work with the current hardware we have LOL! I actually hear a troll saying, when bootloader gets unlocked you will get a front facing camera. It's needs to be implemented in the firmware. I will laugh very hard if someone will say it soon!
[XPERIA X10 General] brent0r:
does he have a working camera? and thats 2.3!?

sounds to good to be true
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
LOL.

I doubt it's a camera.

If i get MT i will be happy.

If not.. it's off to the pawn shop.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Don't talk about MT before any trolls again appear. They can't stand the word! Hahahahahah!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Why is it useless. It fixes a bug that sends authTokens unencrypted over-the-air.

So if other bugs is present in 2.3.3 and below that could be fixed with a update to 2.3.4 I would love to get it.
[XPERIA X10 General] Hzu:
Exactly, you guys keep wanted big, new features, but you don't even care about the bugs present in the current firmware. When something is wrong, you blame the developers.
[XPERIA X10 General] Neo.:
Well said mate! 2.3.4 is not only about features but the security fixes and bug fixes. It's better to implement it directly than detecting and correcting them (saves a lot of time)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Like hackers are at the moment trying to hack you when the un-encrypted info get sent. LOL! To many info going in/out to get a chance for being hacked.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
well, be happy the X10 is getting 2.3.3 in the first place.

It's sad. People moan at SE that they aren't going to update past 2.1. We get 2.3.3, and more people moan that we aren't getting 2.3.4, or aren't getting any major firmware updates after this, or aren't getting ICS, or aren't getting the thousand of other things that SE never promised or even said we'd get.
[XPERIA X10 General] kanchigo:
:eek:Ohh yeahhh. We may need to wait for another 6 months for 2.3.4.... So plz stay on 2.1 until SE bring to U 2.3.4.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mayazcherquoi:
Of course it's going to still be supported via Sony Ericsson customer service. Generally, when someone says support and is referring to software, it means software support (upgrades, bug fixes, etc) only.

I know it's sad. But, I also guess it's Sony Ericsson's timing. For example, when 2.1 was released, Froyo was already out in the wild and already running on several devices. Sony Ericsson knew the date of this public release and had obviously received a pre-Public (RTM) copy. Like now, 2.3.4 is out (and, IIRC, was already out when Sony Ericsson announced X10's upgrade to 2.3.3), yet they're choosing to stick with a previous version (obviously due to the Arc being on this Android version at this time). Another guess is that we know what the X10 is capable of, yet, Sony Ericsson refuse to implement features mentioned afore by others.