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[EVO 4G General] ndoggfromhell:
My experience with my EVO in 4G has been overall good. I live in greensburg which is just outside Pittsburgh. When I went to a Pen game in January I had 4G with almost full signal outside the CEC, but as soon as I got in the Arena and seated it was down to two bars. I could still upload a decent amount of photos to facebook in a couple of minutes. Also, streaming video on youtube before the game was fast. Obviously didn't test anything on my phone after the game started.

Last month I went to a couple of Pirates games and got to compare my Evo to the Thunderbolt head to head. Outside at PNC park, I had full 4G reception on my Evo. My friends Thunderbolt was full bars on LTE, so we took a bunch of photos and uploaded them to facebook. My phone uploaded them pretty fast, getting faster with the first 3 then leveling out and finishing the other 9 in a couple of minutes total. She kept getting upload errors and it would fail, but checking her facebook on my phone showed her pictures were uploading. Mine definitely finished a lot faster than hers with all the errors. LTE might still be too new in Pittsburgh to say it's reliable yet. We used the Speedtest app and I got very consistent results (8 to 10 down, 600k-1.2k up) Her phone would average about the same speed down but was inconsistent. One run 15m, next run 3m. I'm sure LTE is still "evolving" no pun intended.

I should also note, I turned off my 4G and had a battery last the rest of the night even after hours in the casino... her phone was dead before we left the ballpark. Both were completely charged in the car on the ride to Pittsburgh.
[EVO 4G General] qitupx:
Sprint could really use LTE...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
And why do you think that?
[EVO 4G General] nickespi:
ANy of you that seriously think WiMax is better than LTE or want some explaining do some research, better yet do research on the consumer end, In big market areas, Simply said with out the Techie TALK LTE is superior in every day use, and by the way much faster to in comparison. IN MOST MAJOR MARKETS IF NOT ALL. Its clearly was a bad business move by sprint, hopefully with the phase out of nextel and the implementation of LTE will get the ball rolling again...WiMAX sucks
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Congratulations you have no idea what you're talking about. Yay!
[EVO 4G General] nickespi:
LMAO!! How do you figure? Digging this back up from the dead...Nah seriously ??LMAO
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
truer words cannot be said

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[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
I don't think they need to worry about having thousands of people connected to wimax at the same time. How about they start with 1 device actually staying connected.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
As been said in this thread previously, the "hand off" issue also occurs on Verizon's LTE.

The fact is this is all new technology.

It tends to take a while for bugs to get fixed.

It's never smart to buy any technology just because it has the newest piece of whatever hardware.

Give 4g a year and it will be solid.

Think about 3g, it wasn't "instant amazing" upon release.
[EVO 4G General] Greenfieldan:
Regardless of where you stand, there are rumors about Sprint testing LTE now. Regardless, I really hope they stick with Wimax for a little while. I've had no complaints about it thus far, and I've not heard great reviews about LTE battery life (as in, worse than Wimax haha)
[EVO 4G General] Arbron:
With LTE interfering with GPS Signals within a 20 mile radius of the tower, that's either going to mean a lot more money for way more shielding, or a change to WiMax for the other carriers.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Because your entire post is based on the speeds that are being offered yet BOTH LTE and Wimax have the same capable speeds.
[EVO 4G General] networkhound:
I thought they were losing IDEN due to loss of lease with FCC..

BTW Im in Austin and I average 6.8Mbps down... I live about a quarter mile from downtown
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Dude, what in the hell are you doing?
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
I hated 4G.. until the Nexus S, kind of. The Nexus S has a radio issue (EVO gets about 1-2 Mbps more), which I hope will get resolved via a radio update, but one thing that it improves is battery life. I'm not sure if its the Nexus S itself but I noticed that the 4g will go to sleep when not in use. On CM7/EVO 4G with Google's WiMax code, I didn't notice that same behavior. This results in more battery life than I got on my EVO with 4G off but on with the NS4G.

I was getting and am still getting **** 3G, both in the EVO and NS4G so this really made me patient until Sprint puts up those supposed network upgrades.

* Building penetration still sucks, coverage still spotty when moving long distances.
[EVO 4G General] snandlal:
The Nexus S 4g handles wimax better than the evo but the actual service is still crappy

Uncle Jimmy says hello
[EVO 4G General] GaryJ51:
I'd still be thrilled if I could get more than 128kbps on 3G.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Honestly I dont even cut it on anymore... the only thing it does for my evo is run the battery dead.
[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
My 3G speeds have been doing a lot better as of late. I updated my evo radio to the latest version and removed the sprint proxy which seemed to have helped a lot. I'll take a good performing 3G network over craptastic wimax anyday. I figured the phones would get better at handling the wimax radio overtime, I haven't had a chance to try the nexus S but even if they handle it better it still has to be able to get a single.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
Yeah that's wimax major problem, its not like 3G where its on everywhere. Its even spotty in super saturated areas like where I'm at. And you got to pray that there's a window nearby if your inside.
[EVO 4G General] Quick2822:
I will join the "if you are moving, 4G is terrible crowd"

I mainly got this phone for 4G. I got tired of being on the train and my AT&T iPhone being unable to stream YouTube, etc.

Well, on a train, 4G is not usable due to the poor "handing off" when you go between towers. It makes streaming impossible.
[EVO 4G General] fadimo305:
To tell u the truth sprint will NOT switch to LTE because of the upcoming Wimax revision as I said before, it will make LTE look like 3G(sprint 3g speeds).Also the handoff will be fixed and the new revision is VERY VERY NEAR TO LAUNCH DATE.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
Again, it would be nice to have wimax first.
[EVO 4G General] tempe38:
I hope you're right, so far they can't even make 3g look like 3g.
[EVO 4G General] imex99:
WiMAX will prolly be continued to be supported but:

Clearwire COO sees LTE switch on horizon, but details cloudy

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/clearwire-coo-sees-lte-switch-horizon-details-cloudy/2011-05-20

Clearwire (NASDAQ:CLWR) COO Erik Prusch said the company will eventually switch to LTE network technology, but declined to say when the switch will happen--and warned the plans are not definite.

"WiMAX to date has been a very good technology choice for us," he said in an interview with Cnet "We were able to take advantage of the speed to market before LTE was even a glimmer in anyone's eye. But we recognize the ecosystem in the U.S. will be larger for LTE than WiMAX, so we are conscious of that."

Clearwire has said any further announcement about the LTE trials it has been conducting will be made in conjunction with Clearwire's wholesale customers. Prusch said LTE technology and the ecosystem need to mature before Clearwire adopts LTE.

Clearwire's eventual move to LTE could include a partnership with Sprint Nextel (NYSE:S). Speculation has centered on the possibility that Sprint will launch LTE service via the new, multi-mode base stations it is deploying as part of its Network Vision project, and that Clearwire will enter into a network-sharing deal with Sprint. Sprint CEO Dan Hesse said Network Vision will make it possible for the company to inexpensively host other carriers' traffic on its network--including Clearwire's. "It also has been reported that there are some discussions between Clearwire and Sprint about the potential of Sprint hosting some spectrum," Hesse said this week at an investor conference. "That's a potential that could happen. It's more economical for Clearwire to host it vs. building a separate network." Sprint executives have said the carrier will provide additional details on its possible move to LTE sometime later this year.

In his interview with Cnet, Clearwire's Prusch also said he is confident the company can reach profitability, despite funding challenges and growing competition from carriers deploying LTE.

Prusch, who was formerly Clearwire's CFO, said the company's strategy for this year and beyond remains in flux, but that the company is looking for more funding and revenue from subscribers to fund its network buildout. Clearwire currently covers around 130 million POPs and counts around 6 million subscribers.

For more:

Swyped from my HTC Evo with Eternal Prophecy 5.5 ROM.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Its just you.

Although my area doesn't have wimax yet, I've never been in a market where speeds were less than 4mbit / s

Chicago, NYC, Las vegas.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
Next time read the thread. Speed isn't the real issue.
[EVO 4G General] monkeychef:
Well that hand-off issue completely answered one question that I had about Wimax.

But here's a few other questions. Will our current 4G devices still be able to use the new revision of Wimax? How long will it take to deploy the new version of Wimax in current towers? When will uncovered finally get Wimax?

I personally would like to see Wimax come to where I live. Its getting close, but that only counts in horseshoes.

Also, I believe that LTE was a smart move for Verizon, but I'm sure Sprint and Clear are willing to work with what they have (seeing as their current Wimax footprint is only getting bigger). Hopefully we will start to see speed and stability improvements as the months go by (and if not, abandon ship!).

Matty (below) reminded me that Sprint was shutting down Nextel's old IDEN network, which runs on a lower frequency. If Sprint's IDEN network is of this size http://www.boostmobile.com/coverage/ (found it while researching nextel IDEN coverage) was converted to Wimax, reception and speed in many places throughout the country, especially cities, would likely improve significantly.

If anyone can find a better coverage map of Nextel/Sprint's Iden network, please link it. It would be extremely helpful.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Next time read around before posting the thread.

This subject has been discussed ad nausem.

Wimax is better for rural areas for internet replacement instead of wired LAN for your house.

Especially at the high band it's at.

If Sprint can run it on the iden network band, which is why theyre shutting the iden down, then it will improve greatly.

The end.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
I know all about that. Clears WiMax is best used for fixed point internet where a powerful antenna can be used. So next time don't assume that I'm not informed. You just jumped in the thread and pointed out something irrelevant. Now you are flip flopping defensively. No need for that.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No, there was no need for your snippy comment "read the thread"

Im all for discussion but this is nothing but whining.

This topic has probably been discussed as much as how to root the phone itself.
[EVO 4G General] fadimo305:
YES OUR DEVICES WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE NEW WIMAX REVISION(WIMAX R2 is backwards compatible with previous versions of Wimax)

I believe the green light has been given to the new Wimax system in March I think by the FCC
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
If your reply wasn't so wrong this wouldn't have been a issue. You said, "its just you", and then noted how you've never gotten slow speeds with WiMax. If you read his post you'd see that he had absolutely no problems with speeds. He specifically noted the high speeds he gets. So excuse me for noting how dumb your post was.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I forgot how "dumb" it is considered on XDA to not engage in whinefests about subjects discussed to death.

My bad :o
[EVO 4G General] monkeychef:
Fantastic, another question down. I can't seem to find the FCC's approval, unless you were talking about them approving it next March, but I did find this.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/True-4G-Standard-WiMax2-Approved-by-IEEE-429398/
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
Good thing you ignored this thread. Oh wait, you didn't. Good job on accomplishing nothing.
[EVO 4G General] fadimo305:
sport I can't always remember everything :).but yes this is what I was talking about
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
And you accomplished what by being a snippy prick?

Go back n sit down in the Nexus s forum, buddy boy
[EVO 4G General] liverstealerJobs:
Why do people feel they need to hijack a thread? This is a forum. Where else is there to whine? There are so many other threads to read.

I too want to know about how well Sprint's 4G network handles handoffs. It is a legitimate concern. I am not in a 4G area but have a launch day EVO. As a consumer I want to have as much information as possible. Bring on the comments!
[EVO 4G General] monkeychef:
Teehee, he called me sport. Not expecting you to remember everything, just throwing things out there to help the thread move in the direction it was originally destined/meant for.
[EVO 4G General] Vinchenzop:
They finally put a 4g tower in my area... it seems to have less than a mile radius of signal... but i just love how it's conveniently placed directly behind the sprint store... sucker people much?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Then read the other 400 threads on this subject matter?

There's a difference in discussing things and constantly recyclying the same thing over and over.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Some one asked about lte hand offs? I have read that lte suffers the same problem while moving.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
You have to realize mattys pattern. He's a super pro sprint person and any thread that does anything other than sing the praises of Sprint he comes in with the "whining" comments. Had the thread read "wimax is great" he wouldve ignored it.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Yep, chalk it up to being a "fan boy"

Couldn't just be these topics are discussed on a weekly basis.

:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
They have better marketing there than they do here at least, we have two towers and the closest Sprint store to me is just out of range of both.
[EVO 4G General] liverstealerJobs:
Hmm, only the "Data wtf" thread is in my mindhouse. The specific question as to handoffs is something I don't remember reading. At least there weren't enough responses. Or maybe wading through the "don't comment, you're all whining" posts clouded my vision of the 400 threads.

If LTE has the same problems, that is something I would like to know as well. I posted the same question on the Tbolt forum. I am sure I am not the only one interested.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
This thread has gone to ****
[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
Yea I have to agree. I just wanted to see if people in other markets have just as bad of wimax experience as me. I just don't find it practical at all.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Yeah I don't doubt it'll get better, hoping and expecting it to. Obviously there are legitimate reasons for its shortcomings. But as you say, in my case and from what I heard from many, it's just not practical for a lot of us. Then again I do find myself around WiFi the majority of the time so I don't have a real need for it as a whole.

Enviado desde mi PC36100 utilizando XDA Premium de la aplicación
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
When I'm at my house in Los Angeles I use 4G sometimes because my pool is too far from my Wi-Fi router and I have to say I'm pretty pleased with the performance. But that's the only place I've ever used 4G...
[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
I'm on wi-fi most the time as well. I have an office job so I always have my wi-fi on @ work and of course when I'm at home. As far as when I'm not at one of those 2 places I'm using 3G 95% of the time. The other 5% I will try 4G but a lot of times it's not even worth the hassle. If I am going to be in one spot and have a decent signal I will use it but that's about it.
[EVO 4G General] kingdazy:
strange thing.

I seem to have excellent 4G here in Portland OR.

There is like one spot on my bus ride to/from work that doesn't seem to have it, but that lasts all of 2 mins to drive through.

And one other bar I frequent, used to be an old car shop, made of cinderblocks and steel, but NBD really.

I get it great everywhere else throughout the city, in my house, in my work, in my pocket, walking around.

Anyhoo, it's all I use. It's the reason I won't use so many wip/beta/ports/leak/wtf/etc ROMs that seem to be out right now. It's night and day, speedwise, compared to the 3G I get, which is good (for what it is) also.

My 2 cents.
[EVO 4G General] imex99:
I bought and tested the htc thunderbolt on release day mostly in central, Ohio in Columbus, oh.

I will have to say LTE destroys WiMAX, not when comparable.

Driving around Columbus, i would drop in and out of WiMAX( have had evo since launch day).

Driving around Columbus with my thunderbolt, i never dropped lte. LTE also has superior building penetration and would transition from lte to 3g when I was indoors or in under ground parking. I was very impressed by the speeds of the Verizon lte network and vastly superior outdoor coverage. Verizon has the lte tethering app free to test and I ran speed tests with my laptop and speedtest.net recorded speeds on average of 15mbps.

On average in Columbus, i get 1-7 mbps tethering and in my phone when i have coverage with my evo 4g.

I tested the thunderbolt for the 14 return period and including my half month usage, activation fee and restocking fee, Verizon charged me a Grand total of $85.

After all my tests with 3g and Verizon 4g(lte), I would switch to Verizon if the costs weren't so outrageous..... I'm trying to stick with Sprint until the Sprint Network Vision project is complete, then I'll either stay with Sprint or go with Verizon.

Just my 2 cents worth of testing both networks..... FWIW

Swyped from my HTC Evo with Eternal Prophecy 6.0 ROM.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
I can never go with lte for the simple reason that it is filtered internet, Verizon chooses what websites to give you, WiMAX is completely open. How long until Verizon decides that netflix or hulu are hogging the network and shuts them off? Its possible!
[EVO 4G General] kingdazy:
i did not know this.

wow.

that alone is enough to make me Never consider Verizon as an option.

Sent from my calculator watch.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
I wonder if the nexus does this as well? Im sure its possible to fix the 3g 4g hand off. Not sure what would have to be changed though.
[EVO 4G General] fadimo305:
Stick with sprint and WIMAX will SMITE LTE. :)
[EVO 4G General] ZachPA:
If and only if Sprint begins using the Nextel frequencies (862-869 MHz), WiMAX learns how to hand off to other towers, and WiMAX hands off seamlessly to 3G or 1X will it ever really truly compete with LTE. Until that happens, Verizon LTE will blow it away as a mobile technology because LTE on Verizon is on the 700 MHz bands, plus it hands off well and transitions to 3G and 1X well.
[EVO 4G General] egonadrian:
Are you in a Best Clear coverage area or just a regular coverage area?

clear.com/coverage

(Cant post links yet)

"CLEAR Coverage shows all the places you can use CLEAR Internet out and about in your city. In Best CLEAR Coverage, CLEAR should work in your home and office and virtually anywhere in the CLEAR coverage area. In CLEAR Coverage, CLEAR work best on-the-go so you will only see eligible Mobile plans."
[EVO 4G General] dc iz 2 legit:
Yeah wimax sucks

Edit: by the time it takes sprint to upgrade their 4g Verizon would have to do the same to compete and not change the name of lte after all it is called long term evolution
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Please provide proof.
[EVO 4G General] Sim-X:
Kinda makes me want verizon although I will give sprint some time to get things fixed which hopefully is sooner than later. Driving around being able to keep a single and go inside a building and not drop signal would be very nice.
[EVO 4G General] I'M NOT YELLING:
"Sorry valued customer, you cannot use your Netflix app because it's been blocked for consuming too much data."

You know the controversy any of that with what you just said would cause? Any of the wireless giants can cut off whatever they'd like at any time. Plausible, not probable.

If Verizon's network can consistently output a 10mb connection, WiMax 2 could output 100mb a sec and it'd be moot. It's consistency that matters, and there's absolutely none of that at the moment here in San Antonio with 3G and sure as **** not with 4G. Reading around on the internet tells me I'm not the only one stuck on this sinking ship.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
http://www.androidcentral.com/veriz...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)

There's "consistency" for ya.

:rolleyes:;)
[EVO 4G General] I'M NOT YELLING:
Soon, I'll prefer an outage like that compared to this trite Sprint is charging us for. At least it truly gets fixed on Verizon's side.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
"Truly gets fixed"?

Really?

They had these problems what two weeks ago?

Guess it was just a joke that time right?

Stop buying into the BS Verizon feeds you plz.
[EVO 4G General] I'M NOT YELLING:
It's an LTE outage, not a 3G outage. I've had a 3G outage on Sprint since I bought this phone in December. 4G is terrible and spotty. Taking a stroll through this forum the past few months, I'd say I'm not alone.

The only joke here is me for buying into this WiMax hype, and bringing a dissenting view into this thread.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
This thread isn't about 3g...at all...and if we were going to discuss 3g Verizon is among the slowest overall.

But it's not, this is about 4g.

Why don't we compare things equally and fairly?

Why is that so hard for people?

Is it because, if you do, you see that things aren't really any worse off?

Is it that people don't like the reality that the differences in the carriers is truly slim to nil? [except price]
[EVO 4G General] I'M NOT YELLING:
:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] ohiojoe:
In Columbus, Ohio, WiMax has been "okay" to "kick ass". There was a time there when the towers were only putting out 3G speeds, like, for over a month. And when I called about it, I was told after several periods of nothing but background sounds of clicking keys on a keyboard, that it was a known issue.

All in all, though I'm lucky to have a 4G signal at work and home (although I use WiFi at home) and I use it extensively and it makes a huge difference in video streaming, etc. vs.3G. But I have never even attempted to use 4G while moving.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Please provide recent proof. It's obvious that HSPA+ carriers (ATT/T-MO) will be better than Verizon (and Sprint) by a good margin but those old benchmarks didn't have Verizon far off from Sprint either. Now that Sprint has gone to **** from apparently losing tower agreement's, and I don't know if that's actually the reason, just something I keep hearing. But whatever the case, we all know Sprint 3G isn't as good as it was when those 2007- early 2010 benchmarks were done. Major markets like NYC are affected (Significant 1+ Mbps drops) and with all that considered, Sprint is almost positively in dead last (of the big 4) when it comes to 3G. With no data, both me and you are only speculating but what I said is very likely the case.

Among 4G, I've seen recent 2011 benchmarks that put Sprint last. I don't think they even counted ATT, but with their LTE coming later this year, that'd still likely will be the case.
[EVO 4G General] Klk450:
This is true. I've been with T-mobile in the past and had better 3G speeds than Sprint's garbage, which is very disappointing to see.