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[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Exactly my thoughts!

Newer is not necessarily better.

Now what's left to see is how will the GB update fit our X10s!

Only time will tell, we can't possibly know beforehand. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
Well that's an unfair comparison. In the windows case, yes, I agree with you the newer version is far more demanding on an older system. However, Win7 is still far better than winxp OS wise.

This is not the same case with Android and our situation.

As you know playgunsta, as you are active in the dev section, each newer version from 1.6 and beyond, IMPROVES performance. Each newer version is much faster and stable and also ADDS fucntinoality that the previous versions do not. Spin that as much as you want, but there is no way around it it, the new OS version does improves your device.

In all intents and purposes, in OUR scenerio with android and our x10, yes, newer is better.

Also the word "better" is subjective.

Is having a faster device "better"?

Is having added features "better"?

Is having added functionality "better"

Is having expanded app support "better"?

If you said no to any of those, you're lying, trolling or way too jaded to hold any unbiased and fair discussion with, because lets face it, who doesn't want those improvements? Android 2.2 and 2.3 offer these things.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
If you say newer is better, what about Honeycomb then ^^? I agree with your post that the current versions of android (up to 2.3) are easy firmwares for our x10's to handle. But in the future with other versions (that require better hardware) our x10 won't be able to handle. The same with the Windows pc I said earlier. You can't run Vista on a PC made for Windows XP. Vista has 3D processes that needs good hardware.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Nope HTC's Desire will get Gingerbread action as well.

There's is already a leaked official HTC Desire Gingerbread firmware out.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Don't forget that the SGS also has Gingerbread update :O
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
We can't comment on HC though since that's basically GB for tablets. And why would we want a tablet specific firmware on our phones? It's just doesn't make sense as that is not optimised for our devices.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Multitouch remains to be seen, as Brazil was right before. The 16 on the Thai video was later determined to be something different, and it was not released by SE.

Don't forget, Rikard said that they are still working on FPS cap. :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] Denie46:
OFFTOPIC I wonder if Cyanogenmod will support X10. What do you guys think ?
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Jerpelea said a while back that the FreeXperia Project will be merged with the Cyanogen Git!! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Flame me as much as you people want. We will see in the end. And some of you people are so foolish, the only reason the x10 seem to be slow is because its an beta, wait for the retail version. And do you think rikard can confirm something that still is under development? I have said it before I don't care about you whining and flaming me or SE and we will see at the end.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] musicbravo:
Why oh why oh why do those trolls come trip trapping over my bridge.?
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I'm pretty sure some developer is thinking to himself.

"the duo, a smart phone with 2 memory card slots.. i am such a genius"

LOL :D:D

http://www.freetheflash.com/flash/decline-of-video-gaming-3.php
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Hey don't forget, the arc was in beta also very laggy and in retail very smooth. I do believe you, but I know trolls will reply to this message.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
exactly my point, the retail of x10 will be as smooth, and the trolls is welcome because I don't care simple as that. Because I know what I know so flame me, burn me, hate me but the thruth will set me free. And we wil see where all the trolls and non believer is then.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I'd actually like to burn you! *evil laugh*

Joking... :rolleyes:

Damn since I saw that video I can't wait anymore for Facebook Inside Xperia!! I want it now !!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Neo.:
I believe in you.reason rikard just posted what he knows. Do you really think Sony would tell us “yes we'll unlock boot loader don't buy arc“ they will wait and release bootloader .reason is simple - competition HTC is doing it for desire . Its a matter of time
[XPERIA X10 General] clixt:
I believe you man.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Well i believe you.

SE can't keep losing the battle.

Somewhere something will give.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
+1

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] _x10a_:
im shocked sony is actually gonna give us 2.1 eclair camera with 2.3 :O amazing finally something about not losing feature :D. then as far as customizing won't be needed..i didn't want android standard camera but they listened and will wait till august ..rest i believe the devs will do here..
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
xperia84 is the only reason im tempted to keep my x10, its funny how he said the 20th and then they release a video on the 20th.its that or they got fedup of the millions of questions around the 20th.....
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Man, I can literally see Manowar performing this on the stage :p

But +1 to you, mate. I'll believe you until I've install the update and see with my own eyes if you're right or wrong.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Awesome band.

I'm more of a dimmu borgir fan.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Bah, Dimmu. But at least you're heavy anyway ;) :D I'm more of a Death Metal fan (the more unfamiliar ones like Decapitated and Cryptopsy ^^ ), but besides that I'm the biggest

fan in the god damn world :D:D:D

Enough off topic by the way ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
OH GOD!!

dude u do know that Arc has the newer generation hardware as compared to X10 right?

so IT IS BOUND TO BE FASTER EVEN WITH SAME SOFTWARE!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
dude its already available on Arc 2.3.3 FW.... may be someone can port it to X10...
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
:D:D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
OH GOD!!

I am just replying to those people who say that SE is holding back some features because it will make the x10 as good as the Arc
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
oh sorry missed that ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] MightyMuna:
I've had it with SE and their delays, I'm an avid SE fan, but enough is enough, X10 is a disaster this is why I'm selling it, so if anyone is interested, please let me know.

I'm in West London, UK, you can collect it in person for £150 or buy via my eBay ad

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....50579&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156
[XPERIA X10 General] trance316:
X10 can't and won't hurt arc sales!!

I just wanted to point out a few things in regards to the x10 2.3 update and arc sales. In no way shape or form will the x10 hurt the arc sales. Even if the x10 gets multi touch, 16m colors and an unlocked bootloader will it affect the arc. Benefits of the arc over the x10 are much greater then anything you can get from the x10. If you are buying a new phone now lets look at what is available from the 2. Arc gives larger brighter better looking screen with bravia engine, exmor r camera, better gpu and newer gen cpu, hdmi out. X10 has slower cpu/gpu, no exmor r, no bravia engine. Also arc will upgrade to honeycomb when its available x10 will finish with gingerbread. Why sony should give us all the goodies for x10? One big reason, when we are eligable for our hardwaare upgrades what will make us want another sony phone. I have to wait till July 2012 before i can get another hardware upgrade and if sony comes through now with full featured 2.3 i will buy another sony then. If they dont i will be looking at other manufactures at that point. Basically dont speculate that sony wont give us things cuz it will hurt Arc sales. Arc is a much better phone then the x10 and anyone buying a phone now will not buy an outdated x10 now when they can have the arc. Anyone who has an x10 now has to wait for their upgrade term so make them happy now so they will want another sony phone when its time to upgrade!
[XPERIA X10 General] htcsnap93:
Always loved sony erricson. Had an k750, k800, walkman phone and now i have the x10. Defo the last for me. Samsung will be next for me.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
No that i don't believe.

SE has been holding back on updates for the x10 for ages... why?
[XPERIA X10 General] rearbackxperia:
me too... t61i, z500, w800, w810, w995, xperia x10... soooooo dissappoiinntteedd!!!! a lot.... very good looking devices.... but just that... :mad::mad::mad::mad:,,, ill move on to samsung gs II ... so sad here in venezuela cell phone are ten time more xpensives...:(:(
[XPERIA X10 General] monteiro-ribas:
if this last update doesn't bring 16 million and dual touch, samsung will gain a new client :p:p
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Holding back would mean to imply that they have it fixed and aren't sending it out. Considering they released their beta of 2.3.3 for the X10 just about a week ago, I wouldn't want them to release unfinished software. No matter how much XDA cries about it.

Anyways, it's a 15 month old phone (that was supposed to be out some 19 months ago). It doesn't matter what you paid for it, it's still a 15 month old phone. It's a 15 month old phone that is no longer being manufactured. It's a 15 month old that is no longer being sold by SE (all sales are warehouse stock). They have released some 10 other Android phones since the X10. They have another 6 or so announced that they haven't released. They have 1 that's leaked (Duo). And no telling how many are in development right now to replace the ones they haven't even released yet.

Yet, in spite of all of this, some believe that there's a conspiracy to handicap the X10 because it would cut into sales of the new flagships...

No one in the market for a new phone is going to look at the X10 vs the Arc. Just like at how no one is looking at the Galaxy S vs the Galaxy S II. Just like how no one is looking at the Droid 1 vs the Droid X. All those run Gingerbread (well, soon X10, Droid)

That's fine if you don't want to believe it. But I'm sorry, that's the reality for the X10.

It sucks that it doesn't have 16m colors, a true multitouch, an unlocked bootloader, or an uncapped fps. It's not like they took away those features from the X10. Their decisions now will affect which phones I'll be looking at in the future. But for now, I have an X10 and it's what I bought at the time.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
No the Arc will not get HC since HC is a tablet dedicated version. However it will get the Ice-cream Sandwich.
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
+1. the arc isnt that impressive whilst being more capable than the x10 by a metre rather a mile, the general day to day use on the x10 would be so close i doubt you could tell the difference if se unleashed the x10. i happen to think the arc wont be as popular as the x10 because the x10 was one of a few phones that had 8mp cameras and 4 inch screen the arc is 2 years behind htc in terms of performance and now the sgs 2 and htc sensation are released.considering the desire hd destroys the arc in terms of performance,. the arc wont have the life span of the x10 imho and that is reflected with the low monthly cost you can get the arc at already,but back to topic i am under no illusion that if they unleashed the x10 it would be more of a cheaper competitor for the arc rather than a previous version
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Well if that is truly the case unlocking the bootloader and sharing all the sources would not be a issue during or after the GB release.

And so far we have been met with resistance about any source what so ever.
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
i wouldnt put money on it getting ice cream either, no minimum requirements are out for that yet are they? quite possible the lack of ram/single core processor could be a problem and lets face it se dnt need much of a excuse to stop updates.
[XPERIA X10 General] dante2086:
Wow, people better for froyo, now they're getting gingerbread, and still they complain.

Hmmmm.

Sent from my rooted, JITed, X10, using my fingers, my eyes, one of my brain's four cores (Take that tegra 2), and Oh, the XDA app.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Ice cream sandwich is scalable.

Meaning it will run on almost any device scaling itself visually and feature wise. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
thats not true at all,being in the uk during a recession budget is a key factor,take the zte blade for example is a huge success because its a budget handset, should the x10 reach the 150 mark which it will and se remove the restrictions the arc sales would drop dramatically
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
Just a little fact - here in Brazil the X10 is still sold as a top of the line phone. We haven't seen the new '11 lineup and for us they might be only available in '12. I know you said those are stock sales (I get your point) but for the regular user they are buying a brand new top of the line phone. I think a company like SE should treat these customers a little better. But that's only my opinion - they are free to do whatever they feel is better for their company. After all I have to admit they aren't promising anything besides that.... and if someone buys a brand new X10 expecting a bunch of other things they are only setting themselves up for future disappointment ...
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
haha thats me told, but still i wunt quite put my money on anything lol
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
agreed mate,it dont say on the advertisements all updates have been stopped we dont care,be happy with what you get....i think we should all go 2 se forum and talk about it there,it wouldnt do alot but its got to be more useful there right?
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
I'd like them to share their sources also.. but...

I used to hang out at the openmoko forums and read about the neo freerunner a few years ago. for those who might not know, the neo freerunner was/is an attempt at an entirely open sourced phone - down the to the hardware. however, some of the drivers/modules in the firmware weren't open sourced. why? the manufacturers of the chips weren't going to allow the drivers to be open sourced.

What I'm getting at is this: For SE to completely unlock it all, they would have to convince every manufacturer who had a hand in manufacturing the phone to agree to open-source their drivers. 3G (Types I, IV, III, etc), GSM, Compass, CPU, Memory controllers, USB Controllers, Display controllers, etc. It wouldn't be entirely up to SE unfortunately.

I didn't know that Apoena. Today I learned something new. It makes sense as to why SE Brazil has been first to advertise X10 upgrades.

andddy, the ZTE blade is probably one of the best bang for the buck handsets there are, lol. but terrible camera :( SE made a butt load of money with their X10 mini and are introducing their next budget lines in the next several months (but I think it'll be hard for them to beat 99£)
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
andddy, the ZTE blade is probably one of the best bang for the buck handsets there are, lol. but terrible camera :( SE made a butt load of money with their X10 mini and are introducing their next budget lines in the next several months (but I think it'll be hard for them to beat 99£)[/QUOTE]

yh i agree my brothers got a blade hes got 256k colours uncapped fps cm7 stable,have to agree on the camera taking a photo in the dark is really laughable! but what i was trying to say eventually when the price drops on the x10 it could become a reaaaally good budget phone,i guess thats why they stopped making them. buuut the zte skate is released soon isnt it? if its 170 or below ill get one without a doubt!
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Then they should release what ever they can.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
They will release the update when it's ready to be released. :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] andddy:
lol more like they will release it when they feel like it :P
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Are you serious? There is absolutely no reason to withhold the update. Your theories that they are intentionally messing with you are absurd, paranoid, and grandiose.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
There waiting till we stop complqining
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
...or they are not releasing the update because we haven't complained enough.

Clearly the X10 community has not yet meet its full potential!! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
I believe your info too, just waiting those goodies come to the X10 =)
[XPERIA X10 General] whmgreen:
It seems like the only advantage to the 2.3 release would be to have a fully working camera...am I wrong?
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Yes. The frames cap will be lifted and we'll have full multitouch. Up to 4 fingers. Plus we have Sony Ericssons beautiful interface. Lol.

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Fo real

Fps cap??

Multitouch??????
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Yes, I am afraid you are.

According to what we know for sure at the moment after the update we will have:

1. Gingerbread, meaning latest android version (for smartphones at least), thus better compatibility with newer and future apps, etc. Check here for more info on Gingerbread: http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html

2. Features like Google Cloud services (push notifications), JIT, Native WiFi and USB Tethering, that where present in Froyo. Check here for more info: http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html

3. We already have a fully working camera in stock ROM :p. After the update we will still have this camera, meaning we will not lose face recognition, continuous autofocus while video recording etc, that are not part of stock Android camera.

As far as custom ROMs are concerned, we will have to wait and see, but most probably camera will work there too.

4. Better dualtouch (no cross axis bug) or multitouch (more than 2 fingers).

5. Facebook inside Xperia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OjP4bPDBcY)
[XPERIA X10 General] nanodroid:
They already clarified that we are not getting all of that. no 16m,no unlocked bootloader,neither multitouch.:mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Yes. All of this has been confirmed. Multi touch was confirmed by Sony Ericsson Brazil and Fps was confirmed by Rikard

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Hey buddy multi touch has been confirmed by Sony Ericsson Brazil. Along with fps uncap. We will not have 16 million colors or an unlocked bootloader. When Rikard said this he was basing all his answers on the prototype software he had so he never had all of the details.

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
No there has been no confirmation on Uncap. And we have no confirmation that the multi touch that SE Brazil talked about was the one already implemented in the 2.1 update or if it would be a full multi touch implementation. And there most certainly has been no official answer to it being 4 touch inputs.

Stop spreading FUD!
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
I posted on the SE Brazil preview blog asking them to comment on Rikard's information contradicting them... they haven't released my post from moderation yet (it's been over 24h) but they haven't retracted any of their own previous comments either.

I know the chance is slim, but one can always hope, right? :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Lol. Fud. Looks like someone hasn't been keeping up with the blogs and comments sections. Sony Ericsson has confirmed multiple times on that preview page that full multi touch will be implemented in the x10. They've confirmed four points also. If you learn to read and stop being stupid then maybe you wouldn't miss such obvious things. And about the fps uncap. Rikard replied to a comment the day he released the video and said no in this prototype the caps have not been removed but the developers are working on it. I don't know what your sense of truth means. But if there are multiple sources from Sony Ericsson confirming these features then I mean really. I think you get the picture. Now get off my back

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
Actually SE Brazil has said it three times (on june/20) when questioned about multitouch on the X10 that the "multitouch on the phones of the Xperia line equiped Android 2.3 supports 4 simultaneous touches on the screen"

It sure conflicts with what Rikard said on the blog, but that only makes it conflicting official information from SE...
[XPERIA X10 General] Lion3494:
Hey buddy the reason why rikard said there was no multi touch is because he was basing his answer on the prototype software he had. In that prototype the multi touch had not been implemented yet

Sent from my x10 on gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 General] trance316:
Yes the Arc will upgrade to Honeycomb as stated by SE. It is out now for tabs but will be available in the future for phones. Read about the Arc roadmap and you will seee.
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
Well, that is very plausible. And for as much as I want to believe that we are getting true multitouch goodness the fact is that "officially" we only have conflicting information from SE and we are left to sort it out on our own...

I hope you are right though :)
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Source?

And to be fair, what is the point of having a tablet optimised OS in a cell phone?

You can say Arc will get 2.4, and ICS, but certainly not HC!!

HC is only for tablets!!

Edit: It was before the launch of the Arc when it was said that the Arc would get the HC update, and apparently they interviewed another PR person from SE who doesn't know **** about android versions. If you do a bit of reading even on wikipedia, you would find that HC is merely a tablet optimised GB, but runs on a slightly newer kernel.
[XPERIA X10 General] whmgreen:
So the answer is no one really knows....
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Not true. Firstly, the x10 is still sold, at least in Singapore and India, as a full top of the line, premium smartphone. Secondly, it WILL affect Arc sales. Unlike the SGS and SGSII which have HUGE differences, the differences in the Arc as well as the X10 are quite a lot smaller. For those budget oriented or first time android users, the X10 will be a great choice. The screen is beautiful, it's decently fast, and cheap for its specs. The Arc is in a slightly higher bracket than the X10 but there is some overlap, and for those who really don't care too much about Android number the X10 will be a great choice.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
[YOUTUBE]-cMJmK_Rng4[/YOUTUBE]

OMG OMG Just got the update with 1024 touch inputs and Airplane mode now transforms into a small Jet in a Transformers kinda way.

Now it doesn't have 16 bit coloring depth, but a whopping 128 Gigabit coloring depth.

And if you take the back cover off the bootloader will be opened, but as soon as you put the back cover back on, the S1_Bootloader will be locked again, much more user-friendly than doing some fastboot command via adb.

It's out on Champa Region.

:D
[XPERIA X10 General] trance316:
Well that being the case, SE has still committed to the Arc going beyond GB, which means when the x10 is obsolete the arc will continue on. So would you rather buy a phone now for cheap and have it obsolete quickly, or spend a little more on the Arc (which is faster in everyway has a much better looking screen and better low light camera, more ram and a larger screen) and have a phone that will last quite a bit longer. I know where my money would be.
[XPERIA X10 General] monteiro-ribas:
did you got that update from seus?
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
No I got it from my uncles house cleaners, poolboys dog walker who has a friend that cleans across from SE developer HQ in Lund. He stole the firmware from a Nokia 3210 device that was running the new X10 firmware.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
It's a troll, look kernel and baseband. They will release for sure a new baseband I think.
[XPERIA X10 General] monteiro-ribas:
yes i think that so too..

people with wrong information should be banned :D:D