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[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
It's not about what you say, it's that you are sort of obsessing about it.

I totally understand, but in forums, where everything is written and not spoken,

it gets somewhat tiring to read over and over again.

As everyone, you'll have to wait for the update and see what's new in that area,

and then perhaps someone could enhance the multitouch driver.

Devs have given dualtouch to the X8 and it doesn't even have a digitiser

that supports it. So, if you have the skills, mostly everything is possible.

If you don't, you need to be patient until someone decides to work on it.

It's just how it is. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
But our x10 should be able to support multi touch, or else we wouldn't have this dual touch.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
That is just not true.

I know for a fact that apart from the obvious -digitiser capabilities-

a lot of other factors determine the number of simultaneous touches a display can handle.

Could we please at least speak with evidence rather than just ranting about stuff?? :eek:

It's one thing to be off-topic and kill time until the update

and it's another thing to be going over the same things, only to cause heated and useless debates.
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
If you look at the Brazilian SE forum mentioned before, someone has asked this specific question about the dualtouch/multitouch. Their answer was clear - they understand the difference between the two and really mean multitouch is coming with the 2.3 update.

Now the only question is if SE Brazil really knows what's going on.... but that we will only know for sure once they finally release the update ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Hmm off-topic, so the Multi Touch news from SE about our GB update is off-topic. Kinda weird.

Give me some reasons why our x10 wouldn't be able to get full multitouch if it can recognize atleast 2 touches exactly. Unless when you make weird moves it freaks out a lil bit...
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
I didn't say it was off-topic... :rolleyes:

Since SE Brazil stated that we will get multitouch, sure the X10 can handle it,

it's kind of obvious to anyone... :cool:

What I said is that the fact that we have dual touch doesn't necessarily

mean that the device supports multitouch, like you stated.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Go to the baker and ask for a tart.

2 touches doesn't mean that it must be able to do more.

Digitizers and Touch Chips can be made to handle a maximum 2 touches.

So if they are they will NEVER handle more than that!

And by your logic that means, you think because it's able to handle two inputs it should handle more... THAT IS JUST WRONG.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Am I talking about 3 or more touches? No! Enjoy your tart bro!
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
So in this case it doesn't mean it can handle :p I'm talking about the x10 and not other cases :p!

But, let's start talking about something else I hear the troll army coming.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
So if you're only talking about two inputs, don't mention Full Multitouch as, that is a completely different thing from what we have.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
So two fingers is not ''multi touch''? :eek::eek::eek::eek: And I meant with full multitouch we won't have that cross axis bug. And that is the full(/true) multitouch I'm talking about. I never saw anyone using a phone with 3 or more fingers. Or did you?
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Multitouch=3+ touches

Dualtouch=2 touches

That's the terminology, always has been. The correct term for what you are saying would be 'bug free dualtouch' ;)

And it's not about using the 3+ fingers, it's about having the ability to use it.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Full multi touch= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJJ_Hru7Fy4
[XPERIA X10 General] vickysud:
nice cool!!!!!!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Lol by accident pressed thanks button XD

Im talking about full multi touch for the x10 not for other devices. And wait is that full multi touch for the x10 2 fingers? yes!
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
No Full Mutitouch for the X10 is non existent!
[XPERIA X10 General] efx_d3:
good video, I was quite clear that it is multi-touch :D
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
The current status of multitouch for the X10 is:

SE Brazil announced we are about to get it.

We haven't got it yet, we don't know how it works,

how many fingers, etc.

That's it! Nothing more to be said here. Let's just stop this nonsense.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
No body fkn understands me and just talks ****, god damnit:S

there are atleast a few people that can discuss normally.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Either explain yourself in another way that is more commonly understandable

or simply don't post at all. No need to be rude.

I'd give 100 bucks to anyone who understands what you are trying to say. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Teach me English then :) :)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Your English is fine, the problem lies entirely elsewhere.

And I am not willing nor qualified to solve it. Sorry about that! :)

End of this discussion for me, my point has been made and proved.
[XPERIA X10 General] eureka9092000:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/br/preview/aparelhos/xperia-x10/android-2-3-x10-ganhara-multitouch

Go to this site,translate it..This official announcement for FULL MULTI TOUCH IN X10..(I think i should make the font bigger)
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Lol your way behind
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Sony Ericsson Global @SEAnswers:

Generic, unbranded X10 devices are getting 2.3 shortly.

2 hours ago

Nothing new, but it seems we are close... :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
BBC already a very thorough English learners programme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/

Happy learning :)
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Yesssss soon well the 20 is in 4 days and its the rumored release date
[XPERIA X10 General] nanodroid:
cool, I hope we don't end up using also our toes in our phones.:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Maybe it's still true that 20 June 2011 rumour :p!
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
EPIC!!! :D :D :D

I am sure some will demand that this actually happen though...

Damn you SE, what am I supposed to do, I have 10 fingers and 10 toes,

why can't I use all of them in this piece of junk X10????? :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
That made my day!
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
lets see if water breaks on 20th or not.

Sent from MY SEX X10!!
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Arc's screen is supposed to support 32 touch points... SE have enabled 'only' 4

Why? Because you (and 2.2 of your friends) will look like a bunch of retards trying to cram all their fingers onto a 4.2" screen
[XPERIA X10 General] Darkblake:
I´m wondering what kind of excuses they´re planing if we really got full multitouch, I mean they said that it was hardware limited, so I think would be something like this:

"Our developers ARE ****ING GENIUS OMG!"

"We said no multitouch?OPS!"

"We never said that!*edit previous informations*"

"It's magic!Never heard about Harry Potter?"

"LEAVE SE ALONE!JUST SHUT UP AND ENJOY YOUR MULTITOUCH!"
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Ok i thought you were saying 2 touch inputs without the cross axis bug is true/full multi-touch.. Was a misunderstanding..

SE should release the update already!! We all are getting bored and have started trolling(including myself :p)
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
I have insider information (my friend's cousin's dog's - he's divorced and his wife kept the dog, although he still says it's "his dog!!" - neighbor knows a guy who braids the hair of the maid who cleans the house of the uncle of this guy who delivers sandwiches at an accounting office across the street from SE's headquarters) and I could confirm for a FACT that the rumors about June 20th are ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED as rumors! :D

Now that we have settled this subject once and for all we can start arguing about semantics again. :rolleyes: If I say the screen on my phone can register a couple of fingers, does that mean:

a) 1 finger

b) 2 fingers

c) 2+ fingers

d) 2 fingers + my middle finger raised up in the air

e) all of the above

- for extra credit you can write a thesis answering the question "does a thumb count as a finger".

aaaaannnddd.... go! :p
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Wtf
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Screw this I'm done.

Too many trolls.

Will wait for Xda to find the truth.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
I thought it supported each pixel as a touch input!! DAMN!!!

I agree tough. 10 touch input is useless. 2 is enough. If they manage to get rid of that cross axis bug i will be happy :) I was only stating the difference between dual touch and full multi touch.
[XPERIA X10 General] phflorian:
LOL! yeah they're going to be screwed over if that multitouch thing is true. I like that fourth one though. hahaha.
[XPERIA X10 General] infemost:
whats a multitouch?
[XPERIA X10 General] Denie46:
Instead of using 1 finger on the screen, u can use 2+
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=multitouch
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
Dude, I'm sorry... I was just having a laugh. Didn't mean to be troll-ish.

Since we don't have much to do until they release the update we can at least poke some fun at ourselves, right? Just thought it was a bit comical that we were all correct assuming each own's premises - and at the end we were all getting mad at each other over the true meaning of the word "multitouch". No harm intended - honestly!!

I forget that humor doesn't always translate too well in text form. :D

Cheers! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
LOL do you have no humoristic sense at all?

If you couldn't see that was written in fun you're completely incapable of humour.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
All good :)

Just chill.

Think about it before you post.
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
I did... it all sounded pretty funny in my head actually hehehe...

Just can't foresee how everyone will take it though.

Now, just to (try) keep on topic - I asked SE Brazil regarding the bootloader, 16m colors, and the kernel. Their answer was (surprise, surprise) "there is no official position from Sony Ericsson regarding all added or removed features. The final version is still being worked on by our engineers. We'll let you know as soon as blah blah blah....". It was worth a shot, right?
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
surprise surprise :P yeah right :)

You all will see in the end that I didn't lie to you.. Then I think some people owe me a apology? :D

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] john398:
So will this release be available via att? or will we have to install it manually like we did 2.1?
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
at&t and other operator locked devices will not receive the 2.3 update. If you want the update, you must update your handset to a generic firmware, and my suggestion is do not root your device. I know SE has been testing something that has to do with detecting rooted device while updating, so beware. Either unroot it back or reflash before updating to 2.3.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Why would they want to do this?

Thanks for the heads up anyway
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Don't know if this is why, but maybe it's going to be happening a lot.....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1031359
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
If this happens I'm done with android...
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
That I couldnt agree with you more! And if this takes place...that will be the day android plummets to failer.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Im running stock 2.1 and when i go to settings, about phone and choose software update to check...since yesterday ive been getting a "cannot connect to network" message.

Would this have anything to do with being rooted?

Ps. My wifes x10 is rooted and she gets the same message as me
[XPERIA X10 General] Android>iPhone:
By stock 2.1 you mean the original Google one and not the one by Sony Ericsson I guess?

Because I have the official 2.1-update1 by Sony Ericsson (but my phone is rooted) and when I choose software update to check I get the usual "Your phone already has the latest software".

But I have a general question:

Will I have to unroot my phone again if I want to update to 2.3 when it is out or will I just be able to normally update it while leaving it rooted?

My phone is UK generic btw.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Im running SE stock 2.1.

And noticed since yesterday I couldnt check for updates...just checked my wifes phone and like i said...hers is the same.

Im on .435 firmware right now.

And i would think your gonna have to unroot to update. Who knows....time will tell.
[XPERIA X10 General] darkvalance:
chill man 1 or 2 more months and we will see a new kernel!
[XPERIA X10 General] xdadevelopers1222:
I have an AT&T X10A and I'm using the Sony Ericsson generic world 2.1 (2.1.A.0.435). My phone is rooted too.

Settings > About phone > Software update > Network is set to 'WiFi & mobile networks.' Here's what I got:

WiFi connection only (3G/EDGE/GPRS disabled with APNdroid) - 'Cannot connect to network'

WiFi and 3G connection on - 'Your phone already has the latest software'
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Im trying to figure out why i cannot connect to network.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
I'm on WB's 2.2 and have experienced the same problem you have mentioned. There's nothing we could do really apart from waiting for it to work again.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
It shouldn't work on custom ROMs. It's not SE firmware.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
I already got some confirmation that if you modified the firmware or using any modded firmware, you will not be able to update to 2.3. The updater will give you a message that your firmware is not genuine. Like I said, to update, just switch back to SE's stock firmware and do not root it. Root AFTER you update to 2.3.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Do you have any idea how close we are from getting 2.3?

Just had to ask...
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
We don't have to do that before the firmware rolls out.

It's just too early to sacrifice the benefits that custom roms bring us.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Agreed.

We can flash back to 2.1 when ever we need.
[XPERIA X10 General] bra1n0uk:
I hope we get the same message app the arc has.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Don't worry, SE is famous for packaging.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Hey do you know if the rumored. June 20 is release date
[XPERIA X10 General] citsym:
They also reiterated that multitouch will be new to the GB update in the comments section.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Does your friend work in the software engineering department?
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
Yes, I have some facts on that. Check post 14784024:p

I have always been an optimist - I'm hoping you are right. It would be cool to have GB in 4 days.

Speaking of that, how early do they usually appear on PTCRB? Don't remember how many days before releasing 2.1 it showed up there.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
It varies a lot. 2.1.B.0.1 was published on PTCRB on May 24th, and was available for download on May 27th for 1235-7836 and 1233-2794 kits.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
The last 2.1 update was on ptcrb on 24th May and was released on 27th.

Sent from my X10
[XPERIA X10 General] tomh235:
To me it doesn't look like full multitouch is coming.

Details were sparce, and some versions of 2.1 only had single touch.

I can already change perspective in google maps by sliding two fingers down the screen, and although on the us/uk se site, it has always been known as pinch-zoom, not multitouch, I don't trust a machine translation to accurately show the meaning of the post, they could easily just mean dual-touch.

I am hopeful but unconvinced....

Possibly there has been some kind of approximation added to the screen, kind of, finger was travelling in this direction, why would it change direction as soon as the axes cross? Who knows?

Btw, I saw something on engadget suggesting we would be getting 10 million colours, not 16. Still, that's enough for me!

Now I really don't know what to think? There's a lot of information flying around, this update can't come quick enough. Looks like we may beat the desire owners to gingerbread though!

Sent using smoke signals.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
sorry will not tell that, Sony keep there eyes here and will not put him in any problems so sorry don't want to risk that..

The only thing I have been hearing about the release is in the end of June it will start to roll out and thats between the 20 june and 31th of June ;)

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Fair enough, sounds like communist's white terror to me :/
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Its not so bad, but I dont want to risk to put him in trouble.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Actually.. it sounds like attack of the clones. :( if I consider all the flack I have taken :(
[XPERIA X10 General] dwl99:
Has Sony come up with an app that puts 31 days in June? :)
[XPERIA X10 General] tadhara:
Err, June lasts 30 days only :)
[XPERIA X10 General] tjchad:
Dude, you guys have 31 days in June over there? Damn, we're getting screwed out of a day in the US... Bastards.
[XPERIA X10 General] Apoena:
One less working day for you guys! And it's even a Friday!! This way you go straight to Saturday. Lucky you!! :p
[XPERIA X10 General] tjchad:
Well, when you put it that way... :D
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Xperia84, you do know that the end of June is a "tentative" date? Which means at earliest if nothing is wrong. Week 25-26 was the target, but last I asked how the update is doing, it made the X10 sluggish and some features are not correctly implemented yet. I wouldn't mark it on the date if I were you, If by the end of July it still isn't here, then that would be a problem. June is still too early IMO.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
I am sorry it was a typo I ment 30 not 31

And @ unknown13 the only thing I said was that I have heard was blabla.. Not any promise. But we have holck on swedroid that have contact with a guy who hade the test version of 2.3 (internal tester) he says that the update is finished and the only thing they are working on is different kits and to make it complete so don't know what you got your info but I trust the Swedish sources.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] rederik79:
It's true or not??????????????????????:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/03/25/update-on-xperia™-x10/
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
@unknown13x,

You were able to give your inside opinion as to Xperia84's update delivery timeline. What can you comment about his source saying that the bootloader will be unlocked? How about the multitouch claims from SE Brazil?
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
haha funny
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
look at the name and you will see that its fake! :)

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
yes it's obvious I even thought he's joking too (the guy who posted the link here)
[XPERIA X10 General] rederik79:
Xperia, i follow your post because i trust you.
[XPERIA X10 General] kmaximax:
don't be retarded! ...If you follow the blog you would realise Rikard Skogberg does not have 'III' after his name its just Rikard Skogberg

and the typo that its socking is SHOCKING!!!

Hopefully the fake accts will be deleted to avoid simple mistakes like this!
[XPERIA X10 General] blad69:
+1 :)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Language kits won't arrive until at earliest early July. That's the tentative date for other market's kits. Optimization is still on the list to be improved. What I've been told is it's not that much faster than 2.1 at this moment, and no where near 2.3 speed on the arc, there's still more optimization to be done before launch.

@agentJBM

I do not have any info on that aspect. Xperia's info is from a tester, while mine is from the marketing scope, we get different levels of info.
[XPERIA X10 General] lightyear420:
not much faster, but it's implied that it is, in fact, faster....that means we will get some seriously amazing speeds from the XDA 2.3 roms, IMO. Look at what they had to work with on 2.1 and compare it to the finished roms we all are using now :)

OMG, I'm foaming at the mouth I'm so excited lol
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
^^@unknown13x, thanks for the info. Good to hear from you. If you haven't read the threads, it's a regular soap opera around here regarding the update. Tell the bosses that the natives are getting restless for some information. :-)

@Xperia84, are you saying that your source is testing these implementations or that they are finalized decisions?
[XPERIA X10 General] tomh235:
Better late and running well than them giving us something sub-standard. With all of the conflicting information and rumors I whish they would set the record straight. Hopefully we will get half of the features that have been 'promised'!

Sent using smoke signals.
[XPERIA X10 General] Zlappy:
Do so, he's been quite spot on before afaik and so has Holck at swedroid :) .
[XPERIA X10 General] Xstatique:
Wow I just bought this phone today and it's still on 2.1 lol

It is already awesome, I'm sure gb ill make it even better :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
sorry for my crappy English but afaik what does it mean? And i.e? I have never learn those words?

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Så vitt jag vet (As far as i know)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Sorry kinda lost my sense of humour after the whole fisidox troll session.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
aha thanks arkedk you always have the answer for me :) I will hit the thanks button when I got to my notebook do you know what i.e stands for to?

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] Zlappy:
As far as i know, oh and I,e = In example.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Sorry don't know what you're referring to.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
thanks to you to :)

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
i.e. is short for the latin word id est which translates to that/what is.

But American English often wrongly use it as "in example".

For example is abbreviated e.g. (exempli gratia)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
There was a troll yesterday.. he was banned.
[XPERIA X10 General] Zlappy:
Actually i was wrong, I.e stands for id est, wich means in other words, e.g means for example and comes from the latin word exampli gratia.
[XPERIA X10 General] Zlappy:
I realized that as soon as i wrote it that i was wrong :P .
[XPERIA X10 General] LJE:
And what if you're wrong? Does everyone that doubted your "facts" get an apology?

I'm happy to wait. Looking forward to seeing what the devs do with it, but the sooner that's done, the sooner I have to get a new phone.

Not reaching the phones true potential is what made me keep this phone. It's like the underdog that you know is about to cause an upset.

*GO YOU GOOD THING YOU!!....... GET UP IT!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
yes I would apology but I know I doesn't have to. And I would look like an idiot to if it wasn't true.

Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia™ phone
[XPERIA X10 General] Xstatique:
I hope what you say is true :) I'm an x10 noob, and already love it!!

Been reading through this thread the last little bit though and would really be happy with those improvements
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Sorry for bringing this up again, but here's a nice comic about the use of i.e.! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Xstatique:
hahaha the oatmeal is the best
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Ok, I'm in no mood to sift through 8 pages of probably worthless information and flaming, so can someone please tell me if anything new has come up about the GB update in the past 12 hours I've been asleep? Thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Known SE insider, Unknown13x, disagreed with Xperia84 regarding the status of the update. Unknown13x says it's not finished, so he doesn't think it will be released early.

Also, SE Brazil leaked that we will get multitouch with the Gingerbread update, but you may already know that.