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[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
The Atrix does have a 24-bit screen it is even advertised as 24-bit. There is banding on every lcd/led because of backlighting, not just # of gradients. The SGSII is advertising the screen as the selling point of their phone. Yet it is only 16-bit, has uneven gradients (yellow on one side), purplish tint/color (just like Galaxy S 1), very dim, less ppi, and banding on everything,. It is well known that LCD has better color accuracy than OLED, OLED is WAY OVERSATURATED. ATRIX WINS

Battery life is not equal, and there is nothing but complaints from SGSII.

What does Quadrant, and Android 2.3 have to do with anything? Atrix already gets almost exactly what SGSII does with 40% more pixels, 24-bit color, and clocked 200mhz lower. ICS should run better on Atrix than SGSII since Tegra was the reference platform for 3.0 and above.

Accessories is a big selling point and the lapdock has done nothing but go down in price. Heck you can find one for under $200 now. I will eventually get one but the price is falling like the sky ATM. Not everyone wants to mod so the media dock is still cool and uses webdock either way (also full size HDMI port).

GPS is no where as good, webdock, no fingerprint reader, no dedicated HDMI, etc. BTW of-course you will hate tegra zone (becuause you don't HAVE tegra). If they had Mali-zone you would be all salivating over it.

Tegra uses a ARM FPU instead of NEON. On top of that you guys have a lower res screen so who cares what it can render, and without a true dedicated HDMI port.
[Atrix 4G General] seh6183:
Atrix screen is disgusting.

Horrendously inaccurate color reproduction and terrible off viewing angle. The Atrix also has a very cheap chassis and feels like a playskool toy in my hand. The wifi on my Atrix is BARELY acceptable and only when held in landscape. For these reasons I can not keep this phone.

For the following reasons I will not buy the sgs2:

Amoled gets ghosting after a year and has a blue tint at the start of its life and slowly burns out making the screen become more yellow. Also just take a look at the wifi performance of the sgs2, ITS LAUGHABLE. GPS. Samsungs track record of providing updates. Its cheap chassis as well.

I am unbiased in the matter. I have an Atrix and hate it for the above mentioned reasons. I really wanted the sgs2 (and I mean I was about to drop 750 to get one) until I spent a lot of time in its forums. Neither of these phones are acceptable in my opinion. Right now im on the hunt for a solid unibody android phone with great performing hardware components. All I can come up with is this:

HTC.

Too bad about their battery life though.
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
By "full day", do you 6h, 12h or 24hours?

There's no possible way you can get 24hours of heavy usage out of any of these phones.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Have you seen the yellows on the Atrix. They are horrid. I have compared both phones to my own color calibrated H-IPS monitor. The SGS2 has much better color reproduction, even if it is saturated. How can you say the SGS2 is dim? The whole selling point of OLEDs is whiter whites and darker blacks, which I have found to be true. Battery life IS equal. I have used both phones and reviewers agree that the SGS2 has excellent battery life. Both phones pull off a day's worth on a single charge of normal use.

The atrix gets destroyed on quadrant. SGS2 stock gets 3500. A stock Atrix gets 2600 on quadrant. I have run quadrant on 3 different atrix's fresh from the box and they all average 25-2600. Tegra may use an ARM FPU instead of Neon, but that was only done to reduce die size at the cost of performance improvement.

Proof here. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/...gra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4

The Atrix cannot and will never handle anything higher than baseline profile H.264. Every other top end Android using a different SoC can. This is a fact. The SGS could even decode high profile H.264 without the need for transcoding.

ICS will NOT run better on a Tegra 2 vs other chips. It's been already been rumored/speculated/whatever that ICS will be built on TI's OMAP platform and on Qualcomm's SoC for Jello after that as Tegra 3 seemed to not have impressed Google.

Source: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/06/01/omap.4.said.to.be.next.reference.platform/

PS I have an Atrix, but I plan on selling it once the SGS2 comes to ATT.

There's a reason why the SGS2 already has 3million preorders (750USD+ retail) vs the Atrix which has not sold well (550USD retail) and has already dropped to $99 on contract only several months after coming out.
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
2600 x 1.35 = 3510

So much for destruction, I guess you forgot about the resolution difference. :rolleyes:

My Stock unrooted atrix averages 2800. 2600-3000.

This is on 2.2 too.

Iphone 3gs scores higher in a lot of benchmarks than Iphone 4 therefore................
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Except, 1, only 4 of the tests do 2D/3D. 2, the SGS2 caps at 60FPS, which limits its Quadrant score by a good chunk.
[Atrix 4G General] tjjensen23:
Sg2 can get over 9000
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
Yeah? Well my Atrix can score 12,500 all day long and never lose a charge. :rolleyes:

This thread is lame.
[Atrix 4G General] tjjensen23:
Whoosh!
[Atrix 4G General] joyo22:
x2. People are obsessed with benchmark scores. What I really care is that my phone is snappy at every task and a good performer on gaming.

The Atrix is a beast, battery lasts forever and, performance-wise, it is extremely reliable.

Why do people have to open a thread stating that they want to change their phone? I mean, just do it and be happy. You don't have to rant on it.
[Atrix 4G General] seh6183:
He wasn't ranting. He was looking for advice from people who own both devices so he can make a wise decision. If he would have worded everything differently he may have gotten more support.
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
No, I knew you were joking...my comments weren't directed at you. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] lesonal:
I started a war
[Atrix 4G General] tjjensen23:
Lol all good then. You would be suprised how many peolle would take that seriously
[Atrix 4G General] kakwvu:
The SGS2 does some things better [and will inevitably do them all better w/dev support]. However, at $700+ for it, no. Besides, it looks like they're going to fragment the phone as well. Who knows how it will look when it finally hits US shores.
[Atrix 4G General] thebeardedchild:
I agree. It looks really nice, but it's not quite perfect...which it should be for that price. Even if I got lucky and sold my Atrix for a decent price I'd be looking at a steep payment for an SGS2 that I obviously don't need since I have a powerful Android in my pocket right now. Albeit the bootloader is locked and it didn't meet my expectations (as my first Android phone) but oh well. i came from an iPhone and there'll be the future for getting good phones. Plus, I would wager that within the next month or so we won't have the need to complain about motoblur any more. We'll soon get custom roms with 2nd init, then soon get custom kernels with Kexec, then we'll get legit Gingerbread OTA, then *hopefully* moto will just unlock the bootloader for us and we'll be in Android heaven!

On another note, has anyone seen that HTC Holiday that's supposed to come out on ATT? Now THAT'S a phone I would want, especially since HTC will no longer lock bootloaders! That also makes the rumor of the Sensation coming to ATT oh so exciting.
[Atrix 4G General] jason.hamilton:
If the HTC holiday came to ATT i would switch in a heartbeat. I prefer HTC to moto any day of the week.
[Atrix 4G General] OkNewMedia:
I would ABSOLUTELY encourage you to do it. I have an Atrix, and a Captivate running Cyanogen Mod 7. My Cappy runs faster, and has higher benchmark scores. The Galaxy S 2 has already been sent to the Cyanogen Mod developers, to work on. It is going to be EPIC!
[Atrix 4G General] OkNewMedia:
Battery is better on my Captivate, too!

Basically, my 1 year old captivate running Cyanogen Mod7 is better in every way than the 3 month old, dual-core Atrix, and it isn't saddled with MotoBlur! And if the Cyanogen Mod team do the same kind of job on the Galaxy s2, it is going to completely kick the crap out of the Atrix!
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
Looking forward to being able to get CM7 on a bootloader-bypassed Atrix to compare apples to apples. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] ekerbuddyeker:
i had both. I returned the SGS2. Yes it was a little faster, thinner and lighter, and camera was faster (and it takes great pictures - although I like the odd contrast we get on the Atrix)...

But once you have had QHD you can never go back! Icons look absurdly big on 480x800 to me now! Using LauncherPro I can do 5x6 icons on a screen and read them all. You just cannot do that on the SGS2. I dont care what the reviewers say, QHD is so much cleaerer and better.

Also, GPS on Atrix is waaaay better.

IMHO the Atrix sound quality, especially on speaker, is the best of any device I have EVER had. SGS2 was tinny and not loud enough on speaker. Speaker on Atrix is so good I prefer to use that at work than my desk phone.

Then theres HDMI out, which I use a lot (and of course webtop which is a bit of a gimmick for me).

Finally and probably most importantly, I could never get more than 5 hours out of it on one charge. I could never rely on a device like that. I do not get why these manufacturers dont put bigger batteries in their devices. Moto got that right with the Atrix and for me its a key selling point.

I bought the Atrix, then the Inspire, and kept the Atrix, then the SGS2, and kept the Atrix.

So, even though its faster, on day-to-day I think the Atrix has it beat. If it ran sesne it would be the greatest device ever!
[Atrix 4G General] lesterp:
qHD does ruin you.
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
:rolleyes:

No one wants a crappy cappy. You can polish a turd all day and its still a turd.

What's your smartbench 2011 productivity score????

Not even worth wiping your ass with.
[Atrix 4G General] razholio:
some guidance

Ok, I'll be patient since you're probably new here. If you're going to post a fanboi rant, you've got to follow some basic guidelines.

1. be sure to use the most extreme, yet unimaginative language (sux, rulez, etc.)

2. keep your pejoratives and platitudes as vague as possible; details will only confuse the other fanbois.

3. avoid any balance whatsoever. the lust-worthy device should receive no criticism, and the opponent no praise.

4. for the love of gawd, please, don't ever talk about a device you actually know anything about, let alone actually *owned* (eye-roll). This artificial injection of personal experience simply destroys the empty air of superiority you should have been struggling to maintain in the first place.

I absolutely relish being the bearer of bad news, and your well written bit of prose balancing the pros and cons from your own personal experience just doesn't have any place in this thread.

</sarcasm> #apparently this was not obvious. sorry.
[Atrix 4G General] fernandodistinto:
What a troll... let the guy write, at least he talks about his experience. U're the one who's not writing anything useful.
[Atrix 4G General] joyo22:
Yeah, sure. Have fun using your Captivate's super fast GPS, playing Tegra 2 games natively, using a lapdock and a webtop interface, enjoying 1GB of RAM and a dual core processor, having great battery life and recording 1080p videos.

Oops, sorry, your Cap can't do it.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n0xx187:
ok Im new to all this Im trying to do the IMEI spoof but cant seem to get baksmali to run right

Im running this on my MBP OSX 10.6.6

I dont know if I have to setup any thing or what but here is what I ran and what I got.

Java> -jar baksmali.jar framework.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: baksmali/jar
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: baksmali.jar
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:248)

Some help would be awesome.

Thanks
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zeppelin:
Did you rename your file to baksmali.jar or is it still baksmali-1.2.6.jar?
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n0xx187:
Ive done it both ways.. but remanded to to make it a little ezer
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] martian21:
I have no idea about OSX but I believe for Windows you need the full JDK not just the JRE. On Windows you also need to make sure the JDK folder is in your path.
[Nexus S General] chikilin1389:
I just buy my NS 4G and it says that I have YouTube installed and I even have the widget too but I don't have the app in the app section
[Nexus S General] funcrusher:
Use a file explorer and browse to system/app/ -- locate YouTube.apk and install it from there.

You should be good to go.
[Nexus S General] tdoughone:
Try updating it in the market
[Nexus S General] troopstar:
I cant post links yet, but you should find the solution as the first result if you google:

"you tube app is installed but does not show??" android

Which instructs:
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s6a6n6d6m6a6n:
I have had the t-mobile t-zones $5.99 plan for over 4 years, now grandfathered, but it works flawlessly on my HTC Touch Pro 2 (WM6.5). No issues there. That phone however is only 3g.

I live in an area with full 4g spectrum and would surely like to make use of that.

With that said, i bought a non-contract HTC myTouch 4g.

After popping in my SIM, the web browser forwards me to an upsell page, where it asks me to upgrade my plan to a $30 android plan.

Now, times are tough and the gold is scarce so i'm definitely not looking to get a $25 jump in my plan, times two (for my wife too) total $50/mo more... for something that we already have for years.

I've tried various settings for APN that i could find from some forums but everything leads me back to the upsell page.

epc, wap, internet1, internet2 ... etc..

Interestingly I had tested this out on a friends phone a few months ago before buying my own, (myTouch 4G) using my SIM and it gave me an awesome throughput of close to 7megs down.

T-mo tech support said it'll not work with the $5.99 tzones as the android phone accesses the data in a different way! baloney!

Please point me in the right direction...

Has anyone made this work ?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!

Vik
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ace42:
The support person was telling the truth, the phone really requires the 30 bux to get data. There's always the cheaper data w/ 200MB if you want that(Will use really quickly!). There's no way to avoid this,even if you are grandfathered in.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdviper:
Unfortunately they know which phone your using from the imei number, and therefore block it. If you another phone that showed it as unknown or any phone that came out during that promotion would have worked.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sleepyfu:
no wonder t-mo cant make it... no one should expect any company to give 4g for $6, let along unlimited 4g.

[via XDA premium]
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bretjrodgers:
Stop being cheap. If you bought an expensive car, would you take it to wal mart for an oil change? If you want to keep the tzones, go back to your Motorola Razr and back to the dark ages, Fred Flintstone.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kalel33:
T-zone will work with any phone that is not a Blackberry, Android, Windows, or Symbian. The Nokia Nuron and the Samsung Gravity T are the two most popular options for that data feature.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phateless:
I agree. If you can afford to buy two MT4Gs off contract you can afford the data plan.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TeeJay3800:
+3

We're all paying for smartphone data. What makes this guy think we'll help him scam the system and get way more than he's pay for?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navarde:
Dude I understand ur pain...u should return that device an get a non T-Mobile android phone.

It will be not be detected if it is an ATT phone for example and therefore will not required u to add a data plan, viceversa is the sameway. U see O:-) .

But If you add it...certainly u will see a big difference on the use that you can give it to you PDA.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phateless:
AT&T phones will only get EDGE on T-mobile, and vice verse. Now if you get a Canadian HTC Glacier (myTouch 4G) or something it might be a different story...
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unclespoon:
I know how you feel. When I signed my wife up a year ago I had an iPhone and was using the T-Zones plan flawlessly. They saw that and were like, "t-zones doesn't even exist anymore" and made me upgrade my iPhone to a $20 plan. When I got the MT4G I had to upgrade to the $30 plan. It works well, but you're right, it's a lot of money...
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s6a6n6d6m6a6n:
fellow xda members

My judgmental friends, i'm looking for technical advise... not financial or personal.

You don't know me, nor my situation so don't judge.

And yes, i do drive an expensive car and I wouldn't mind taking it to Walmart if they serviced it or there was a Walmart nearby.

Please pay attention to this :

1. I've had t-zones for ages and over this period it has worked flawlessly with most models of Blackberry i have owned.

2. I have HTC Touch Pro 2, which runs WM6.5 for last 2 years and i get super 3G speeds unlimited, not the razor era Bamm Bamm!

3. I tested my SIM out with a colleagues HTC myTouch 4G before i got my own - and it worked awesome a month or so ago.

So in essence it's not the protocol the phone is accessing TCP, it's something T-Mobile is blocking.

This move by t-mobile would be justified if i got the device from them for free and obviously being fair, they want to recover their cost.

And yes, getting a non-contract phone is cheaper than getting a contract one in this case... astonishingly i used my 3rd grade math to figure that out.

In closing, i personally do not believe in the notion that "it cannot be done..." someone is already figuring it out somewhere in the world while you were saying that!!!!

Peace!
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] h22aboi:
Technically, theoretically, there is a way to keep your tzones with tmobile by changing one number. But I think its illegal to do, nor will I tell you. And I think you will still be 3g...

I have to say suck it up and pay the piper. Oh and the data is $20 for preffered customers.

Why do you deserve to pay only $6 when the rest of us are paying for it? I've been on tmo since voice stream....
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ESKIMOn00b:
Aggreed you can get 20 android web as a long standing customer. To get t zones to work you'll need to spoof your imei. And FWIW the nexus1 works with t zones because it was never sold in stores or thru tmo.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navarde:
DUDDES!!! THE INTENT OF XDA IS FOR SUPPORT.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navarde:
Technical support, I agree with u. If you had purchased a different PDA on different provider it would not required to update your service. The network recognizes the imei of the phone and by the new pda policy you have to add a data.

It happens with every provider.

Good luck man.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TeeJay3800:
EDIT: Comment deleted. Ain't worth it.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spressa:
Just to help the OP out, the reason why the mytouch 4g probably worked was because you inserted a new sim into the phone. That's why, alot of phones work the first couple days using a phone with tzones but after a couple days, you're sent to the upsell page. Tmobile has a listing of all the imei's that they sell.

The nexus one was not officially sold through tmobile - always sold through google.com. As such, tmobile doesn't "have" your imei to know, but they kinda do. if you called into 611 in the first few months of the nexus one release, it sent you to google for tech support vs. tmobiles helpline. however, tmobile just chose to never block the nexus one. however, if you bought a g2, mytouch 4g, nexus s, etc....your tzones normally works for about 24-48 hours and then boom...upsell page. I know this cause everytime there's a new phone release, i try to see if it works on tzones. I personally can understand not wanting to leave tzones. I have it from when it was 2.99 + i get a 18% student discount that has yet to stop too. it's hard for me to let go of unlimited internet for so cheap, but in all honesty, i make enough money where i probably should pay the $20 for the unlimited android plan so i don't have to be so picky and choosy with my phones. before the whole 3g craze, i would change phones every few months.....and now, i keep using my nexus one and buy other phones and won't relinquish the nexus one because it's incompatible with the cheap data plan. I think i just might let it go for the sensation 4g though, we'll see. i've had to say goodbye to a tmobile g2, nexus s, and g2x already.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s10shane:
hey u guys only pay 20 bucks for unlimited data on the mytouch 4g? they charge me 30 dollars and i have been with tmobile since 2009 lol
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ESKIMOn00b:
Need a promo plan to get promo data. Got 3 lines unlimited text, 3K mins, and unlimited data with the 5GB soft cap, not 2GB. Paying 175. Also my line routinely bumps 10GB plus without any balk from tmo. Maybe cuz my mom doesn't touch her data so they let me munch off her allotment.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danyune:
i have the $20 unlimited plan

I pay $123/month for 5 lines, unlimited text, two unlimited internets

I've also been with t-mobile since my R225 (Which says Voicestream on it)

but ask your friend to maybe trade mt4g's if it worked in his?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] btbotimtim:
wow... r225... the blue samsung phone. I still have it in my drawer...lol