yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbcpn:
Never a reboot here. Ran unrooted for the first couple weeks, then rooted. I've run dozens of different ROM/Radio/Kernel combos.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrootz:
I used running 402w_1 radio on BAMF Remix GB and few reboot. I gave up, went back CM7 RC0.4 using 223r old radio - No reboot, very stable, and excellent battery.

:)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] infamousxsniper:
I have never had any of these reboots... weird.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jakaro:
on on BAMF 1.7 Im on my 5th god damn reboot this hour alone!!! ****.

i dont know whats going on! its been fine for the last week, only like 1 a day or so. may be that they are supposed to start 4g in my area in 3 days, maybe testing is messing it up? idk. debating on moving to GB, just worried about the bricking still
[Atrix 4G General] lesonal:
Please convince me not to do this! I've been really thinking about doing it ='(

I want a better camera , gingerbread , and I heard the gs2 has a better display
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
i don't understand why you need us to convince you to keep something. it's your own decision. if you want the SGS2, then get it. if you're happy with your atrix, then keep it. we all have different opinions and decisions. make your own, honestly.
[Atrix 4G General] Gr8Danes:
I would trade mine in a heartbeat if this bootloader doesn't get unlocked. I am getting sick of the Motorola drama.
[Atrix 4G General] tjjensen23:
Do it. You wont regret it
[Atrix 4G General] vinay427:
Any ideas on a good place to sell the Atrix and buy the SGS2 (or the Samsung Attain which will be the AT&T version of the SGS2)? I'm new on eBay so I'm a little worried that buyers wouldn't buy from me because I don't have any feedback. Any other options?
[Atrix 4G General] KefkaticFanatic:
Think about it, try out the GSII if you are able, look at the dev threads and maybe wait a few weeks to see what the situation is for the Atrix compared to it. I know I certainly will consider it if/when the GSII comes to AT&T.

EDIT: Only other place I can think of is Craigslist. If you post plenty of pictures and a detailed description, that will help.
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
Just keep it and wait till the next Nexus comes out and then sell it
[Atrix 4G General] Deleted member 2488575:
This is what you should do.

Also the processor and GPU on the Atrix is better than the one on the SGSII. When the Atrix gets 2.3 it will do circles around the SGSII.

There are only 2 things that will pull me towards an SGSII

1. Unlocked bootloader (this likely going to be locked when it comes to AT&T)

2. Super Amoled screen

If those are important to you go get it if not keep the atrix. The dev section is booming we might get the bootloader unlocked.
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Tired of reading threads like this!

BYE!
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
I've got both handsets and to be honest the grass isn't necessarily greener on the SGS II side. Geez its a nice handset though, but I still believe 4" is the best size. I've found that the SGS II has a very plastic feel, and the back cover is so thin. I've been in a few situations where I've accidently sat down with the Atrix in my back pocket, and its survived easily, but I worry about doing the same with the SGS II. The SGS II probably isn't the phone I would take out drinking with the boys on a Friday night - I'm sure I would easily break it.

If you're looking for a speed comparison between Gingerbread handsets, it runs just as smooth on the SGS II as it does on my Nexus S (yes I also have the NS). There's no real difference between them IMO, (even though the Nexus S is single core). Where the SGS II shines is in having numerous widgets going and live wall papers at the same time - and although the lag is still there in momentary milliseconds, its no where as bad as the Atrix with live wallpapers going with Android 2.2. I think this is where Gingerbread shines though - and I'm sure the Atrix will perform similar when it gets Gingerbread. Its this very reason why, although I've been tempted to sell the Atrix as well, I'm prepared to hang onto it until it gets 2.3.

Damage wise, I've found the Atrix is easier to fix. For example, I dropped my Atrix onto my concrete driveway from low height and damaged the corners of the back cover - However, the cover was easily replaced by one from www.cnn.cn. As you know, the cover on the Atrix covers the corners, so when you replace the back cover, its all fixed. The SGS II isn't the same. If you drop it on the corners, you need to replace the entire body..! I'm not looking forward to this..

I think other than the shear size of the SGS II being a negative for me, I really wish the SGS II had qHD screen resolution. 800x480 at 4.3" on the SGS II is just bad IMO, although maybe if I hadn't gone from the Atrix to the SGS II, I wouldn't have cared. I feel I have been spoilt by the qHD though, especially when I view high resolution photos I've taken with my Canon 5D Mk II DSLR - on the SGS II, the sub-pixelation is a killer...

My 2 cents
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
I don't give a ****, and I don't know who else does. I'm sick of all these idiots thinking people care that "I sold my Atrix" or "Traded Atrix for Nexus S" or "Atrix or Wait for SG2" and the post that you just made, young sir, is no better. Look it up and make your own opinion, for God's sake. We don't need ONE MORE NONSENSE THREAD someone made asking which handset to buy, or informing people they have rid of their Atrix and/or got something else.
[Atrix 4G General] done12many2:
You know, sometimes you have to just get out there and say how you feel. :D
[Atrix 4G General] Man_of_Leisure:
I'm starting to think Samsung fanboys are worse than apple fanboys. After all, we don't get iphoners in here talking trash all the time.
[Atrix 4G General] KefkaticFanatic:
Why again should he not ask for opinions about a phone on a board that is focused around discussions on said phone?
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Normally I would agree with this school of thought, but the SG2 is a $600-$900 phone to just "Jump into".

The Atrix unlocked is not cheap either.

It's nice to hear other people's input since XDA is a "community" that tries to help others.

Sure you can read reviews in Samsung's forum, but to hear it from somebody in here gives you more perspective.

Sure I've seen multiple threads about this, "and wish it was all in one neat thread", but if Motorola got their act together (especially for Bell users) this **** wouldn't be happening as much...
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Nobody is talking thrash, OP is just asking for "help" from others.

The "only" mistake OP made, was creating a new thread instead of posting his concerns in the other existing, that's all...
[Atrix 4G General] Blue Puma:
LOL! All I could think of was this:

“I command ye, therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. You have sat here too long for the good you do. In the name of God, go!”
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
@cheetah2k Thanks for the great writeup!

Everyday to and from work, I think about making the switch myself. I've had the Bell Atrix for over a month, and have probably used it for half the time. My Motorola Milestone is kicking it's ass right now and that's not sitting well with me.

^ (still have a capped device with no Stock SBF and Adfree still doesn't work)

The only thing that still keeps me holding on is hoping that Gingerbread actually fixes this device, and that I get the "Telus Fascinate" experience again.

^Basically I had the same garbage issues with the Fascinate on Eclair, but Froyo almost fixed everything. Sadly GPS was still broken, but the phone was way better than before.

Last week I actually wiped my Atrix and almost sold it, but after reading about some of the bugs on the SGII it's bought me a little bit more time.

Hardware and form factor wise the Atrix is PERFECT, but it's like using a Core 2 Duo PC running on 98/Me. Part of me still doesn't trust Motorola, and the support on their forums blows right now, but the phone has so much potential in front of it.

If the Galaxy S II didn't have so many dead pixel units reported, I would have pulled the trigger a long time ago and pitted the 2 phones against each other. For now I'm just waiting for the SG2 to either come down in price, or Moto to give us an "official" timetable of when Gingerbread is gonna be rolled out (including the forgotten Bell units)...
[Atrix 4G General] vinay427:
+1 for cheetah2k, a good seemingly unbiased comparison. I think its best that I stick with the Atrix because of the things it still has that the SGS2 doesn't, like qHD and the awesome fingerprint sensor. Plus, it'll probably be a little while before the SGS2 officially comes on AT&T, so I might as well just wait for the next Nexus. Thanks again, cheetah2k!
[Atrix 4G General] gooyyaoyao:
system update is really a issue constraining phone's spec

I bought atrix just for it is the first phone with 1ghz*2 +1g ram

but I'm now considering to replace it with a next-g nexus

for it is branded by Google and always gets the latest version
[Atrix 4G General] stratax:
This makes me want to get the atrix. great 2 cents! haha. i agree with you. samsung always has something sneaky up their sleeves as well..

also, why is there so much flame on this thread? can a guy not ask a question? lol damn, i remember when people on XDA were nice, it is nice to have peoples oppinions :P
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
The Nexus S is off my radar, but the next "Nexus" that Andy Rubin kinda dropped hints on recently is something that I'll keep an eye on when more info surfaces...
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
Not worth, I would wait for something much much better.

Nexus 3/Tegra 3/720p screen/2gb ram/etc.

Something like that.
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
Galaxy S2 was announced on ATT today so Im kind of thinking it. I love the Atrix but I do want an open bootloader. The screen is lower resolution though. Im going to wait a little longer to see if the eternity project works out.
[Atrix 4G General] haloimplant:
I'm starting to think that waiting for the next Nexus is the best idea for just about anyone, whether one has an Atrix, SGS, or whatever.

I was a bit disappointed (as were many) in the Nexus S, it was sideways and in many ways a step down from the SGS, that was out months earlier. Not much of a step up from the N1 they should have just waited until dual-core and samoled+ was ready to go. Maybe they really wanted to release one per year and the dual-cores weren't going to be ready? Maybe getting the increased GPU power out there was important to them?

I hope that their next release lines up better with the cutting edge. If whatever they come up with at the end of this year or next spring is using tech that's out thus summer I will be disappointed.

If on the other hand it is state of the art, I will be glad I waited and I'll have a phone that will actually last more than a year without feeling dated or being abandoned by software updates. The SGS has been OK, Gingerbread is out, but if I wanted to go 'non-hacked' I'd have to wait forever for a carrier release. My 1st android phone and I'm already sick to death of waiting for vendor-specific and then carrier-specific releases, a ridiculous process that takes 6-8+ months when you're on a lethargic carrier like Bell or AT&T. (How long after 2.3 release will Atrix get it? And then officially from Bell?)

It's hard to recommend anything but a Nexus software-wise. If the hardware is good next time around it will be slam dunk. So I would say that just about anybody who has a usable phone (and doesn't have a wad of cash burning a hole in their pocket) should wait and see instead of jumping around right now.
[Atrix 4G General] wirednix:
You guys are an embarrassment on this community.
[Atrix 4G General] darkamikaze:
Xda people are nice just that here in the atrix forum.. we have a rowdy crowd because we are very anxious for a bootloader fix ..

Also we get these types of threads all the time. It gets annoying to the point where we question why should we care you don't like your phone.

Xda app via atrix
[Atrix 4G General] Moandal:
This is how I see it:

Screen resolution: I think they're equal in practice on this one because the S2 has more subpixels than the Atrix despite the lower headline resolution. Yes, subpixels do matter.

Physical size: The physical size of the S2 may be too big for you. I thought it might be too big for me, but it's not.

Fingerprint sensor: I would like one, but I can live without it.

Screen size: Bigger IS better, as long as you can cope with the physical size (see above)

Wifi: The wifi performance in terms of signal strength on the S2 is weak. Not a problem for me, but if you regularly use a Wifi source that isn't that strong, it could be a serious issue.

Bootloader: Completely unlocked on the S2. This isn't actually a significant issue for me, because I've never found a custom rom that didn't have more issues than the official rom.

Gingerbread: Whether this is an issue depends on how patient you are!

Motoblur vs Touchwiz: I suspect Touchwiz is a little better than Motoblur, but probably not enough to swing the decision either way.

Finally I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the lapdock. This is supposed to be the killer USP for the Atrix and was the main reason I nearly bought one, but I was put off by in the end by the price. However, the fact that no-one has mentioned it suggests to me that not many people use it.

I hope you find the above reasonably unbiased and helpful. If you can decide which issues are important to you, that should tell you which phone to buy.
[Atrix 4G General] anupash:
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[Atrix 4G General] vinay427:
Another way I think about this is that if a phone I'm upgrading to isn't better in even a few things than the one you currently have (the Atrix in my case), I might as well just wait a little longer for another phone that will improve on everything the Atrix has. For example, the SGS2 has a smaller battery and lower resolution.
[Atrix 4G General] farrakon:
Install gingerblur 3.5 and stop whinning. You wont need anything else for now. I love my atrix!
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
Galaxy S2 is far from being better than Atrix.

1. Still has GPS issues like Galaxy S1 look at their threads. Takes forever to lock and doesn't track well.

2. Screen is far from perfect and has issues. Blue-ish tint, dead pixels, ONLY 16-bit color (24-bit Atrix) which causes heavy banding, color accuracy over saturated, lower resolution and ppi, brightness is not good at all go look at an infuse at AT&T, white doesn't look as good as iphone4 or Atrix.

3. Build quality is not as good as atrix and as stated before parts are not as cheap or easy to replace.

4. No optimized apps or does it look like there will be in the future. Look at all the Tegra 2 tablets and phones coming out (even some SGSII phones will be Tegra 2 based on region). Where are the Exynos tablets and/or phones?

5. Wifi issues reported and same with phone.

6. No Webtop, dedicated HDMI port, fingerprint scanner, docks (Car, Desktop, Media, Laptop), qHD screen, Noise cancellation, etc.

The only advantages I see is the screen has better black levels. The GPU/CPU has not proved itself better IMO and from benchmarks, plus not optimized apps. Even Carmack said last week Nvidia is good at getting optimized apps and are helpful to developers to get the most out of GPUs.

"Carmack expressed a personal inclination towards NVIDIA's products and one of the reasons for this was that over the period of years, his system has almost consistently had NVIDIA graphics cards. Another contributing factor was that he and his team have more personal ties with NVIDIA and that they have a great developer support program where developers such as he can get answers for their most obscure questions directly from the GPU creators, and this has not been the case with competing GPU manufacturers."
[Atrix 4G General] ekerbuddyeker:
I will wait for the HTC. Holiday. Its the S2 with better resolution plus sense 3.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
You see where it says,"DO NOT INSTALL ON BELL ATRIX" in big red letters?

Ya thanks, but that doesn't help.

*sigh* I'm getting tired of people assuming that everyone has the same model as others.

This is exactly why Bell users should have their own forum section!...

--> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1043299
[Atrix 4G General] aly19:
you can put Gingerblur on a Bell Atrix, read Seven's thread on how to do it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1070076

I used this guide to flash my Bell Atrix to use Greyblur 2.1, works perfectly
[Atrix 4G General] Rickroller:
Exactly..sevens not only levelled the playing field (for Bell and international users) as far as being able to keep up with At&t users ability for psuedo-roms..but has actually given us an advantage (imo) since we're capable of using any foreign leaks that may come first.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I read it, but without a stock SBF (to fall back on) it's not worth it.

Same applies to those custom kernals that fix the cap issue.

Until a stock SBF is released, Bell users are stuck...
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
*Meant to quote you instead of thanks but whatever*

Anywhoo what happens if your phone tanks, and you need to send it back in?

It's not worth it...

(and yes I know about the Nandroid backup)
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Nobody around here really cares about the laptop dock.

More are concerned about "webtop hacks"... :)
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Oh really?

Did you even read the actual OP and think about it?

"Please convince me not to do this! I've been really thinking about doing it ='(

I want a better camera , gingerbread , and I heard the gs2 has a better display

"

The OP already HAS an Atrix, so why should the rest of the community feel the need to convince him/her to keep it???

I wasn't being mean. The OP didn't come in to this forum with a question like "Hey folks, I am interested in buying either the Atrix or the SGSII. What are some opinions on which is best and why?".

OP has experience with the Atrix, just as much as the rest of us do because they own one, so the OP should go to the SGSII forums and ask in there, not open dumb threads here asking for a daiper/nappy change. In my opinion, if you want a better camera, Gingerbread now, and have heard that the SGSII has a better display, then go buy the damned thing, cos' you have already convinced yourself you want one!
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
The only thing OP did wrong was not post his question in here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1047861

But in defense of OP, screaming "BYE" or throwing in the "daiper/nappy change" is just not XDA.

IDK maybe there was a better community in the Milestone, Desire, Galaxy S sections, but the Atrix section needs a good muscle relaxer and a 12 pack!

Or just an unlocked bootloader and a 6 pack.... :p
[Atrix 4G General] y2whisper:
to each their own I guess. I made the plunge and am quite happy with it. Faster performance increased data speeds...you could sit and wait for a bell update to be released and jump aboard. but now I am happy that I have an sbf (sure not bell but meh) that I can fall back on if anything goes wrong (like trying to deodex and making a mistake)

the nandroid backup doesn't seem to even be viable once we flash a different sbf, so doubt anyone would/should suggest that.

At the end of the day just comes down to what we would rather have, again not worth it to you. so yeah you are better off sticking with bell stock.
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
Atrix is the best phone out period. Only phone worth waiting for is the next Nexus phone. SG2 is the only ill consider but it is simply too big...and same with the Holiday. After following HTC phones...I've learned their battery simply sucks. Now...imagine what type of life the Holiday will have? Atrix is the top dog...its perfect in size and this phone will fly once it gets its gingerbread update.
[Atrix 4G General] TareX:
Are you still thinking about it?

Do it.

The only reason I'm not doing it is because 1) I don't have this option 2) I'm gonna get the Nexus 3 by Christmas, and stay with the Nexus Line forever.

There's no comparison between both phones. Samsung did a phenomenal job with the software, and the hardware couldn't get any better. If I got the SGS2, I wouldn't need to upgrade for two generations of phones at least.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I flashed my original Milestone with Froyo without a backup that was reliable and got stuck with a brick, because the flash froze in the middle. Had to get another one out of my own pocket. (sadly that device is the one with my SIM in it and not my Atrix)

My Desire and Galaxy's flashed as soon as ROMs were available since I had things to fall back on.

Trust me if your Atrix died like my original Milestone (which was not user error just extremely bad luck) you would feel the same.

The day that a stock Bell SBF surfaces, I'm all in. Till then IMO it's just not worth it...
[Atrix 4G General] blunted09:
First thing you should do is NOT listen to this guy.

Keep the phone.
[Atrix 4G General] y2whisper:
but thats what I mean the sbfs are the only real backups in general. the only time you could be screwed if for some reason you wanted to send it in to bell but needed to get it back to stock. then you would HAVE to wait for an update.

But fully understand the hesitation, for me the hspa+ is what put me over the top, before that I didn't care enough about the tweaks and mods increased performance can sometimes be placebo or negligable, so once I got something concrete I made the jump. Hopefully bell gets the update out soon so we can get an sbf to have as well as get everyone who are on stock the features they deserve.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
No the Atrix is hands down the best hardware. But it's like buying a Core 2 Duo desktop but running it on Win 98/Me.

I mean it's not even Froyo running on this, it's crippled Froyo.

Sadly we can't make true phone comparisons, until Gingerbread gets released... :(
[Atrix 4G General] Howler718:
Sell it. I sold my Atrix on Craigslist for $500 bought a ThunderBolt and my contract out and I've never been more pleased. I come and look at these Atrix forums for kicks because those who are loyal to it are frothing at the mouth to flame questions like the OP. The Atrix is a flop. Great hardware limited by locked bootloader, shoddy plastic body, and the battery is meh. I would not get the S2 though. Better phones are coming. Sell your Atrix high while you can.
[Atrix 4G General] androidfusion:
I have the Atrix myself and am not trying the troll the SGS II, but just have a look at their forums on XDA for a sample of problems that phone is experiencing. I was bewildered just looking at all the posts that mentioned poor battery life, poor wireless performance, and imperfections on their magnificent super OLED+ screens. I think every phone will have their faults you got to find out which ones you can live with.
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
it's a deal!
[Atrix 4G General] blunted09:
lol thunderbolt. if thats the same phone as the desire hd (which i had for 24 hours) then you must be joking. The 24 hours i had with the phone, 10 of those are on the charger.

I refuse to buy a phone that wont last me a day with heavy usage never mind 4 hours.

This thread should be closed.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
+1

HTC makes a lot of phones each year (and don't get me wrong they are fun to mod), but they fall into the same cookie cutter folder of failure:

Poor battery life

Poor RF signal (compared to others)