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[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Either way both are niche markets they both good for certain people however android fits more peoples needs well android phones so is say i products fit a much smaller group so they would be the niche as due to the fact they are far from majority
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I don't usually laugh at pictures posted but LOL

That is true, most cell phone users don't even have a smartphone yet.

No matter what kind.

According to the definition of 'niche', smartphones are 'niche'
[EVO 4G General] WilliamKingX17:
I think the biggest myth with this whole Android vs. iPhone argument is hardware. I keep seeing people post that the iPhone has top notch hardware. It has just as good of hardware as any high-end Android device. The hardware is equal to Android not better. I work for Best Buy Mobile and we get a quite a few returns every month from faulty hardware on iPhones. Just this past week I had three exchanges on iPhones not working properly. One was the home button stopped working, another was the speaker stopped working all of a sudden, and the last one was sold one day before and the next day the phone wouldn't turn on, charge or even hard reset. The only reason that there is more hardware failure with Android is because there are multiple manufacturers. If there were multiple manufacturers making iPhones there would be just as many returns with faulty hardware. Also Apple supposedly created their own glass polymer for the iPhone 4 that was suppose to be more scratch resistant and resistant to cracking. BS. I've seen some gnarly cracks from short distant drops. I had Gorilla Glass on my Sammy Vibrant and dropped that thing a million times and never broke and no scratches. So myth BUSTED!!!!!!!!!

Sent from my GummyCharged SCH-I510
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Android is successful because it covers not only the mainstream market but also a ton of niche markets.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
And the point was?....
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
That is true many people don't have a smartphone but also like u say they don't offer any other options like keyboard etc which to a lot of people is important and sense android can go to all diff markets poor people etc means iphones have a vastly smaller market 28% is barely over 1/4 of all phones and android is at what about 50 deff makes apple the smaller more niche product cause only certain people can get it or want it
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I have both my iPhone 4 and NS4G in front of me. One is really thin and made of aluminum and glass, the other is plastic and glass. Same goes to the EVO 4G. That's not to say that there aren't any well designed and constructed Android phones (Some of the aluminum HTC phones come to mind) but where as other OEMs push out obviously lesser quality designs on their HIGH END products, Apple pretty much never does on any of their products.

PS: Defects are part of manufacturing no matter how hard you try.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Niches are small, but Apple's market isn't niche. Apple has one product (basically a medium sized slab) and with it covers about 1/3 of the market. That isn't a niche. Android OEMs target the main market and also create specialized products to appeal to certain niches (like hardware keyboards, smaller/bigger phones). Those individual specialized markets are smaller and cater to specific needs - they are niches. Together Android is big but its big because the OEMs target a lot markets, many of which are niche markets.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Listen, we get it. You disagree with us.

Not only do you disagree with us but you disagree with the definition.

Write the dictionary people, not us.

No where does it say anything about being "small" [with respect to the definition we are using], it just says specialized.
[EVO 4G General] WilliamKingX17:
Hardware is the phone and all of it's components including(Body, Board, CPU, Speaker, etc.) You're rebuttle is pointless. Just because a phone is made with heavier components doesn't equal better quality. Usually the heavier the phone the greater the chance that something will be broken when dropped. Plastics equal lighter phone, and less damage. That goes for Android devices as well.

I prefer my plastic Charge. It's lighter in my pocket and when I drop it it's not gonna shatter.

Sent from my GummyCharged SCH-I510
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
God damn, I agree that no where does it say anything about being small. And its funny because I never brought in the idea of size even though niche markets are generally smaller. But again, god damn, your reading comprehension is horrible.
[EVO 4G General] westicle:
Hilarity.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Ok thought so but wondered at the same time if u where trying to say something
[EVO 4G General] westicle:
Nope, just trollin. ;)
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I wouldn't say your posts are the posts that are trollin' ;)
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Here's a guarantee from me: stop being wrong and I wont post.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
LMFAO

Okay, okay. You're right and the dictionary is wrong Award Tour.

Jesus christ. lmao.
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
I'm going to say the iPhone keeps the 3.5 inch screen. Apple spent too much developing the current display to abandon it. Plus they wont be able to match the pixel density on a larger display
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
That's a lie and can you provide proof of him bring wrong he is saying his thoughts and opinions that doesn't mean he is wrong. You sir just like to argue which I do as well but sometimes I wonder if some of the people on here honestly have nothing better to do
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Since I'm now on a computer I'll take the time to give you a kid friendly run down of why you're dumb.

First the definition:

See the emphasis on specialized and corner?

Now lets define the mainstream market. According to NPD the top selling phones in Q2 and in order are:

1. Apple iPhone 4

2. Apple iPhone 3GS

3. HTC EVO 4G

4. HTC Inspire 4G

5. Samsung INTENSITYII

So..

1) the iPhone 4 and 3GS own about 1/3 of the smartphone market and are the top selling phones BY FAR. And for comparison the EVO 4G has about 1.5% of the smartphone market in 2011.

2) The phones that come behind them are slab, non keyboard smart phones that are more alike to the iPhone than not.

The takeaway? The mainstream market is the iPhone and devices that are similar.

So where does Android dominance comes from? Yup, niche markets. From super cheap/free phones like the LG Optimus line or weird ass phones like the Kycero Echo. Then there are other highly niche markets like the eco friendly Samsung phone Sprint just got or slightly more popular hardware keyboard phones that range in different form factors like sliders (HTC Shift) or candybars (Droid Pro). Those are the specialized phones that focus on corners of the market.

Next time use some logic and comprehension.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You're comparing the sales of an entire ecosystem versus the sales of individual phones.

How ridiculous.

Jesus Christ, I said you were right dude. You won. As always, anything to get you back into the Nexus S subforum.

More pictures please, westicle.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
your inability to understand what a niche product deserves a:
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
This is really getting pathetic...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/niche

http://www.google.com/search?source=dict-chrome-ex&defl=en&hl=en&q=niche&tbo=1&tbs=dfn:1

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/niche

Guess what, all that spells out Apple.

[and technically, spells out smartphones in general]
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
That's the damn point. iOS/Apple focuses on just one smartphone product, the iPhone. In itself it's the most popular smartphone (making up a SIGNIFICANT chunk of the entire market) and even setting a trends on what popular smart phones should look and be like. The Android ecosystem is a whole body of different phones, the most popular of which (the mainstream) are very similar to the iPhone, the remaining of it's market share is comprised of niche markets that Apple doesn't even compete in.

The bottom line is if you took all the current active smartphones on the planet. The majority would be iPhones and iPhone like Android slab phones with slight deviations.

You're complete fail at labeling the iPhone as a niche product (and completely not understanding the word) is embarrassing.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Ur right how long do u gotta beat the horse stfu as we all know you have the biggest e penis
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I was gonna let this thread die but goddamn you HAVE to be called out

I usually do not insult posters.

But you have to be the most pretentious, retarded f**k on this board.

And I say that keeping other trolls have that harassed me in mind.

The entire Android ecosystem is beating out the iPhone.

Period.

Stop comparing phone vs phone.

It's pointless, that's not how Android is setup.

The only thing "embarrassing" is the fact that when you stick to something, no matter what, you will never back away from it. Even when proven wrong.

^See stupid ass, that is "niche"

Source for photos

This doesn't even include that the definition of niche is:

http://www.google.com/search?source=dict-chrome-ex&defl=en&hl=en&q=niche&tbo=1&tbs=dfn:1

Which is EXACTLY what the iPhone is.

Here's a definition of "specialized" since we seem to have issues with definitions in this thread:

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&c...gc.r_pw.&fp=3665754608edbaf3&biw=1366&bih=643

I apologize in-advance for the attitude for others' reading but it's flat out sick how this Award Tour guy is.

Flat out sick.
[EVO 4G General] areyousure:
What's embarrassing is how often these stupid debates happen. If people wouldn't post everyday and in every thread with the same point of view the other people that like to argue with these people wouldn't have a reason to post.

In other words lurk more.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I don't have to be offensive to point out how wrong you are.

#1 - What does OS market share have to do with niche markets? Nothing. Everybody knows that Android now has a higher marketshare, but do all Android phones fall under the same market? No. I'm not sure what point you're trying to illustrate. You still failed to understand what niche is or how products are categorized as niche products.

#2 - That second graph is total mobile sales. That includes your standard free flip phones which are still wildly popular in the world. In case you didn't know, Apple doesn't even make iOS dumb phones (and we're not even talking about non-smartphones). But if we're going to lump things together, lets throw in in the iPad. Or lets talk about who is more successful. But that said, if Apple owns about 1/4 of the Smartphone market, yet only 7.5% of the total mobile market, are you trying to say that the entire smartphone market is niche (Android, iOS, WP7, etc)? Because I really don't know what the hell your point is.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Oh really?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17044511&postcount=542

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17044873&postcount=546

Although this is not the point...

You don't think 25% is "niche"?

I'll point this out plan and simple:

The iPhone is meant for one type of person.

It has one style. One limited market.

NICHE.

Seriously, I'm done with you.

You've earned the honor that so very, very few have.

You're on ignore.

Goodbye.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Oh wait, so a couple of posts back you said size has nothing to do with being categorized as niche but now it's important? Nice flip flopping.

I do however think that size is part of being niche. The problem is that 25% of the market are iPhones. The most popular smartphone on the planet is the iPhone. The most popular Android phone of 2011 is the EVO 4G and it only has 1.5% of the market. So how is the iPhone a niche product? And how do you rationalize lumping in all Android phones together?

Is this:

...and this:

similar products?

And is a business oriented Android phone like this:

Targeting the same market as the EVO 4G?

...and are the latter two mainstream products or niche products? What about super cheap/free Android phones, are they in the same market?

You're obviously lost.
[EVO 4G General] Kal*El:
Case and point to the Guy who said how there are more android returns .....
[EVO 4G General] samuel346:
Um, that was never said in this thread.

This thread needs a lock, badly.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Matty was trying.
[EVO 4G General] samuel346:
I'll give you credit on one thing Award Tour.

Your good at trying to redirect and manipulate what people say.

You do it so good you even convince yourself.

He was clearly using the definition you've decided to give 'niche' against you.

Even though that's not in the definition of niche as he showed us.
[EVO 4G General] culua:
The kid is adopted right? And her bruise eyes could of be a birthmark. And the dude is cross eyed? Lol.
[EVO 4G General] engelsione:
Theres no way im changing Android ,let alone my evo for an Iphone!
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
Lmao....where ever you go an all out ****fest debate follows you.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Where did you come from....
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
Just go back to the nexus forum already. You lurk and troll here more than ever and it's just getting pathetic. You can't accept the fact that people have an opinion about something, you have to be right about everything. Please troll elsewhere, guys just don't respond to his foolish antics and he will fade away.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I think you're referring to yourself...or Award Tour.

I don't see any "****fest debate" in the hundreds of threads of people I've helped.

And this discussion was just fine before Award Tour.
[EVO 4G General] the_scotsman:
Closing this piece of garbage thread. Will be back later to hand out black stars to all you little kiddies who obviously haven't read the rules.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I'm not going to lie though I will probably get flamed but if sprint gets a 4.3" iphone 5 count me in. I've had almost EVERY android phone that ever hit t-mobile (worked for them 4 years) from g1 all the way up to the mytouch slide and I'm a little bored with android. They're just not "wowing" me anymore ........
[EVO 4G General] culua:
Lol I just bought an iPad2. iPhone for sprint it has to be same size as my evo with 4g speed.
[EVO 4G General] rushco:
http://jobs.apple.com/index.ajs?BID=1&method=mExternal.showJob&RID=76951
[EVO 4G General] Rippley05:
I'm with u on Android not giving me the "wow" factor anymore. I just can't figure out what in the world the iphone could do to bring it back. I run MIUI stock and wanna pull my damn hair out! And it offers more than the iphone.

I do liek the ipad2 tho, I'm just not a tablet guy .
[EVO 4G General] alexdemonumber3:
Hell nah!! Next phone I get will be the Samsung Nexus S! So much more powerful on every level than the iPhone!

Steve Jobs can SUCK IT.
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
I've had every carrier and have never had a problem with any of them. The worst thing I can say is T-Mobile has the lowest service level in terms of how many bars I get. But they're still good enough for me. I think the person who posted below you is correct when they say it shows how little difference there is between carrier service. In my experience, there's barely any difference.

I live in an area where all carriers have good service, and I never travel or stay in areas that have bad service. So for me, when I want a new phone, I'm privileged enough to not have to worry what carrier it's on...
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
Hmmm...an Apple job for a tech with experience in CDMA. In the same city as Sprint's headquarters...interesting.
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
I would if there were these conditions met.

1.There's an iphone with a bigger screen, I went from 3.2 with the Moment, to 4, to 4.3 inch. I'm not feeling 3.5 inch.

2.If there is some type of official adobe flash support.
[EVO 4G General] Slatter39:
you are just funny. Not the Rant. PLEASE!!! LOL
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
That's what she said.:p
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
Winning post. :D
[EVO 4G General] prboy1969:
Iphone, Iphone, that's all I used to hear at work. Out of 12 people that got them at work, only two remain. The others all. Switched to Android. Who wants a phone that's overpriced, lockeddown, lockedout, and just plain ISH! Of the two that have them only one is because he likes it ( go figure ). The other guy is olocked in by contract ( read huge penalty ). All switched because they were tired of the price of apps, the BS with only being able to run approved apps. But most of all the phone is junk. They almost all had to have them replaced at one time or another. I for one hope Sprint thinks better of this, leave the Iphone to those who want other people to tell them what, when, and how they can do things.

Shifted from neverland using XDA Premium App
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Blind apple haters.......:rolls eyes:

I don't really look at miui in terms of it being "iPhone" like besides the way it looks. Under the hood its still very much android. The only reason I'd get an iPhone is to break my rom flashing addiction. I spend way to much time on this **** lol. If I get an iPhone I'd just enjoy the experience without having to alter my phone for a better exp(don't care abt jailbreak). Why must we have to go above and beyond just for the perfect experience, its getting old and I'm getting bored (android). "Rant over" lol
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
$200 like most phones and same price as Evo directly from Sprint. :D

May not be open source, but that doesn't really make it evil and terrible.

Motorola locks their bootloaders, HTC is starting to. :D

That's with any phone or carrier. You can't be mad at the iphone for that one now.

It's the games and mainly office apps and third party multimedia apps that have any cost, and most apps in the app store are under $3! You gotta understand something too, the developers work hard on the apps to be approved so it's not wrong that they put a price on it. They have to make a profit too, there are tons of paid apps on Android as well. Sure, there may not be as many free apps on Ios compared to Android, but a lot of the free apps on Android are mostly soundboards or wallpapers. Let's also not forget that since Android is open source, it's easy for a developer to put something in the app to phish data from you, and you accept it when you hit download even though all apps tell you what they want access to in the market. :D

I'm not saying open source is bad, I like Open source. But you have to look at both sides of it here.
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
If the screen size is the only thing holding some of you back, I say you'll get over the smaller screen pretty quickly. The screen in the iPhone is very nice at 3.5in. Personally I like android os more than ios, that us the bottom line for me. Its not about tweaking because you can do that with an iPhone as well, hell you can even dual boot android if you like. I'll probably stick with android, with or without locked bootloaders. Partial root is all I need to have full control over my device.

Tapa tapa tapa
[EVO 4G General] vbetts:
Android on Iphone is still very very terrible, hardly any real hardware support and also only supports the original ipod touch, the Iphone 2g, and the 3g. All of them being Arm 11 devices with the highest being clocked at is 600 mhz. Ios uses the screen size pretty nice, but I love the screen size of my Evo for media, even more now that netflix is on Android. :D
[EVO 4G General] davidhill21:
If I could get over everything that I love about Android over iphone, the one thing I couldn't ever come to grips with is two thumbs typing on a keypad...Swype is such a winner for me. But when I can look and manipulate the files on my android and then pop out of that and play great apps and search the web quickly, all running very smoothly, (maybe not perfect 60fps like iphone) I could never go to that closed system. Iphone is good for people who like it, but when I plug up my cell phone via hdmi to my hd tv and play nes games with a wiimote hooked up via bluetooth, I just revel in the glory of Android.

that's my 2 pesos
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
dThere would have to be some drastically serious dips in Android to make even consider it. I wouldn't entirely discount it, not saying it's a 0% chance ... but at the moment it's something of a 2% at this point. I hate all the proprietary bull**** they stick you with. iTunes makes me want to vomit, and that's not all.

iPhone - hardware wise - second to none. Yeah yeah yeah, antenna issues aside. iOS as a whole just doesn't do it for me, sans jailbreaking. If I'm going to buy an iPhone and do as much, I might as well stick with Android. I used to own multi-things Apple, but the times have changed. There are just as many comparable, if not better, options. I'm sick of seeing people suggest that Apple is the end all be all of tech. It has its positives, and it has its glaringly obvious negatives. Not just the iPhone, but Apple products across the board. iOS is admirable in its own right, but it's not perfect.

I can't say I wouldn't necessarily consider it, as I've done as much the last year and a half ... but something needs to change. And change, either, with iOS and Android. I'm more than happy with the latter ... but should the idea start to shift and maybe take a turn for the worse ... I just might.

Then again, give me a decent WebOS offering and I'd probably jump on that faster than an iPhone. Honestly.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Uhh, duhh, me. But only if it has a 4 inch screenizzle.
[EVO 4G General] lehalter:
I really could not switch. I enjoy that my phone truly is mine. I can make it look how I want and do what I want with relative ease. Iphone doesn't make it that easy. Is the iphone pretty? Hell yeah, but that alone isn't getting me to switch.
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
Don't count on the 4gs having a different form factor.

Tapa tapa tapa
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
As mentioned by others, the wife would love it if the iphone came to Sprint. Its simplistic and ready to go out of the box, she has an EVO and I can honestly say that she doesn't really need it (not even rooted omg). I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for the GS2 to come to Sprint and not some form of it with a physical keyboard.
[EVO 4G General] rufflez2010:
My gf is tired of her epic not working properly. Cant say I blame her. Mine pisses me off more often than not
[EVO 4G General] kwiggington:
Ok then
[EVO 4G General] kwiggington:
And your telling me to shove it because of?
[EVO 4G General] Rem3Dy:
Once you have android iPhone becomes the most boring phone period. I will never go back!
[EVO 4G General] androidfan123:
Only thing that gets props on the iphone is the hardware is solid as a rock. Typical iphone people will buy the iphone and people that like control of their device will stick with android
[EVO 4G General] Klk450:
I wouldn't mind a change for awhile but with Ice cream sandwich coming in Q4 of 2011 i might take those words back.. besides that only problem i have with sprint is it's slow ass 3G speeds.
[EVO 4G General] IceCreaMan:
When it comes I will switch my wife from at&t for a lower bill
[EVO 4G General] dased14:
i wont get one for me they seem so blah. wife and one son seemed a little excited about it