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[Atrix 4G Android Development] amwbt:
I've been with AT&T/Cingular ever since it was Bellsouth Mobility. Trust me.....they will never allow moto to unlock the bootloader. They are so ****-headed, money grubbing pricks that the want to control every aspect of there carrier-controled phone. I am soooooo wanting to go to Verizon or T-Mobile that when my contract's up I probably will. They are the most popular cell phone carrier yet they want to control everything. If they only knew......

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[Atrix 4G Android Development] ale922:
I've been following this since yesterday and I'm very excited about this, but kohlk mentioned That he was only missing the boot parameters and a working kernel to try it out. I haven't heard about kohlk after that, how is everything coming along?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ale922:
I was shocked when I learned you have to pay for incoming calls, I'm from Chile and here you only pay for outgoing calls. Although the plans are much more expensive, here I pay 80 dollars a month for 500 minutes, 50 txt msg and unlimited 3G, but the 3G speeds here are awful. The fastest speeds you get here for 3G is barely 1mbps down and 128 Kbps up. And after I download 200mb my speed slows down to 64kbps down until my new bill comes. We may not get charged for incoming calls but are minute plans are insanely expensive and horrible 3G speeds
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Wow... thats terrible. i feel bad for you man. The incoming calls isnt really all that bad for me because i dont call very many people and who i do call are in my fab 10 list so i can call them whenever i want for free. but i wouldnt be able to stand such slow download speeds.. that really sucks

I think we have gone a bit off topic waiting for an update though. my bad... Mr. Clown scares me
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zen kun:
this is amazing i was following since thread start,i just want to know what wrong with the kernel, against what we need compile the kernel, or why we need "special" kernel, so i can try or my geeks linux friends can help me, but i just want to know against what we need recompile, why aosp kernel will not work drivers? or what its?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tian105:
TBH i wasnt very surprised when i saw this because i knew kholk could do it just matter of time.

However i was surprised that he released this info to public before bounty even reached 20k..

ps. grats kholk, you the man
[Atrix 4G Android Development] vishurao:
Isnt mach-tegra already there in the open kernel?

as for special boot args, i can bet they will be in the hidden partitions that someone found in one of the threads.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] stewartsoda:
As a sanity check, can we use kexec to boot a copy of the stock kernel?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Unkkut:
I watch a lot of people on this thread saying things like "It won't work", "It's useless", "There is no hope".

Then again, I check everyday and see the same people "viewing this thread".

I think we forgot one thing. Developers don't do things knowing they are going to hit a brick wall. If a developer works on it, there is obviously hope.

Anyways,

Good luck to the developers. Regardless, progress is success.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CaelanT:
I disagree.............developers work on things because of the challenge, even if things do not look hopeful! I am a developer, but not in this field. I enjoy my work because there is no better feeling, (other than a great orgasm), than proving the naysayers wrong, and making the impossible happen. Hope is for people who lack self confidence!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] franciscojavierleon:
may i remind everyone that this is the DEV forum? Meaning, if you are not going to post something that will further advance this , then it's offtopic and shouldn't be posted! Don't lengthen the thread with noise!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CaelanT:
20 people have said this before your post, and 17 pages of **** have continued. The thread needs to be locked, and this topic and it's discussions need to move to the developer only forum! That's the only way to stop random posting from happening. Posting this here in the first place was just inviting random posts, development forum or not!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] agrabren:
Don't discount the importance of devs keeping their big mouths shut. While it may seem like public sharing of information is of best interest, it's not when it's being done on a public forum. The problem is, Motorola obviously has the ability to make updates to the phone. Currently, because there is no publicly known method to unlock the bootloader, any potential avenues of hacking can be disrupted by an update. Look at the problems around maintaining root on these devices... If too many ideas are shared, they can read up on techniques and try to close the holes even before they're discovered. And while we have an old SBF, there's no guarantee that Motorola can't make it so old SBFs can't be re-flashed. So most of these threads are going to be banter...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CyberPunk7t9:
Please guys keep it clean and be patient. We'll create a topic in the general section about this topic once the devs succeeded.. a celebration thread! everybody can play cheerleader there then! But now please don't give a bad image about us to the devs.

Can a mod clean this topic all the way to the first page?

I fell asleep on my chair a while ago and had a little nightmare.. kholk saw those replies.. nodding his head (left/right, not up/down) he said "I'm pulling the plug on this project!!".
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Fallen Spartan:
As per above post can we keep this thread on topic and about dev issues only. I have just gone through this thread and removed all "thankyou" "awesome" "omg" "that's great" posts etc. This thread is now clean. Can we keep it that way please!!

Ta

Rick
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Fallen Spartan:
Sometimes I just don't think people listen or read. I asked you all to keep this thread on topic and what does the very next person do?....he posts a Michael Jackson png. Now I appreciate the comedy side to this, but it just encouraged the next few posts after it to also be off topic. Hope you all enjoy your infraction :rolleyes:

Rick
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
kholk can You post some status update? I noticed that T0dbl0d posted starting address in separate thread, do You need some addittional help?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
In that thread it seemed like Kholk already had some of the boot parameters. I'm not sure if that's all of them or not, but he's got some of them.

At the first post, it says he needs a kernel for this. So I guess that's what he really needs help with, ATM.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sifon187:
There is no way to bring this thread back, a new one needs to be started. Everyone really needs to calm down, it is going take a while before we see an answer. If klohk needs help, he will post it here.or ask for it on the irc.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
which irc server/chan is using for development?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] LayzeeEyez:
Freenode - #moto-atrix, don't know the exact URL atm.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zexbig:
Well topic on #moto-atrix is most curios :D

* Topic is 'Discuss all things Atrix here | http://gitbrew.org/atrix/ | Kexec is working | RSDlite 5.3.1 http://gititbit.ch/rsdl1'
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
the kexec is working, the problem is getting it to boot to the custom kernel as well as initializing the radio.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
I though Kholk said earlier that the radio wouldn't be a problem, and he just needed the kernel developed?

Knowing me, I probably have it all wrong xD

EDIT:

So I guess he just needs the kernel. And the boot params. But it seems like he has those already.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] guidoido004:
@kholk isnt in this site the source?

https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/sfmain/do/go/rel1543?_pagenum=2

is thats the source, maybe make things easier to you right dude?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] firefox3:
cant he just edit the kernel from that? make a new thred with that, your post will get burried

Sent from my MB860
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jysue:
Hi guys, perhaps in an effort to give out information its been over simplified. In effect it was theorized with the correct.boot params kexec would function (not saying it wont) - however without debug output or kpanic information its impossible (short of success) to tell if we are closer or farther with getting a kernel functional with kexec.

To this end the uart cable in kholks other thread was investigated ans tested.

Now the people doing testing on regular atrix devices need to get a cable (and are already organizing these themselves).

Once this happens - testing and identifying correct parameters and holdups for getting the kexec method going with a replacement kernel can truly begin.

I'm sure its painfully to wait - but it cod easily be a week before any new information will cone forth.

Thank you,

Jysue

TL;DR

Be patient.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
The 1.2.6 source has been out for awhile. I think that a few modules have been created from it.

Also, I take it from Kholk's silence that he's very busy.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jay_tea:
Just an idea

Maybe this has been thought and tried of already, but I hate to assume such things:

Could a solution to the radio problem lie in a special kernel build which does not initialize the radio, but instead assumes that the radio has been initialized already?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
Kholk said the radio won't be an issue a few pages back. Since this is a different platform than the other Motorola devices, things don't work the same.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
So if the Radio won't be a problem, just curiously, what other potential things could prevent the project from being a success?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jay_tea:
At least one would be the drivers. The Android OS itself is opensource, but some of the hardware that Motorola employs may not have readily available drivers, so there may be a need for handmade drivers for some things (hopefully it won't go so far as to necessitate any reverse engineering--that could make things really difficult).
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
I would assume one problem would be the fingerprint scanner. I'm not sure if that has any drivers available for that at the moment.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
As per the web conference, I think that this will be the case for the front facing camera drivers.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
That makes sense...I mean it's like the only phone with that function, so it seems were we to unlock or bypass or something, we'd be at a loss for features that aren't normally on Android phones..
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dLo GSR:
i believe they mentioned in the conference that with Gingerbread, the camera functions using the standard GB FFC drivers. so if we had a gingerbread kernel running, it should work.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SuperUserMovado:
I get permission denied everytime i try to execute kexec, this is the same when I also try to get the /dev/graphics/fb0. Does anyone know how to get around this problem? I am already the root user when I issue the commands to access these programs and devices.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] holtenc:
I

think

they guy that made THIS thread figured out how to do it in order to make his screen cap app work
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SuperUserMovado:
hmm it looks like he didn't access the device but instead accessed /system/bin/fbread instead.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jiggytom:
this is what he said:

Not sure exactly what the problem is, but when trying to read the framebuffer (/dev/graphics/fb0) directly I would get an error. Google provides /system/bin/fbread that grabs the framebuffer so it wasn't anything complicated to just call that to get the buffer.

Got the info from reading the tegra source code.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nexxusty:
Looking at this thread a few times a day. Always a good read.

Keep up the good work boys!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] windsor106:
Thumbs up!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hate_Romania:
any updates?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ehvio:
Yes, actually. They just emailed it to everyone here except you.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Alkaizer Lord:
Why you gotta be hating on Romanians?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] slimslim:
'Cause of the vampires :-P
[Atrix 4G Android Development] StarKilLer-MOK:
I am waiting patiently for this.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ChongoDroid:
uh

I would say that they are doing what they do best... developing...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hate_Romania:
what happed with this thread? it had so much potential, and on paper is much better then 2init? where are the developers? i appreciate Tenfar efforts however we should try all the possible ways of unlocking the BL, from what i can see we pretty much focused on the 2init and we completely abandoned??? kexec?

please do not attack me for a simple question!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Recon Freak:
Check out what kholk tweeted this morning! This thread is not the only place to get updates.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] madquack:
You my love ones need to be patient. The developers can't miracle this **** overnight.

Mod Edit: Watch your language
[Atrix 4G Android Development] joyo22:
Well, Kholk has reported nice advancementes. But, what BP panics are?

He says BP panics work wonderfully!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
What's kolks twitter address?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Recon Freak:
Twitter has a search engine too! Type in kholk!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sipjca:
Im assuming a bp panic is when the bootloader has a problem and displays an error code. Since as kholk had on his twitter he was working with the bootloader and that's what we want that's probably it, hopefully it isn't a brick caused by some internal motorola security measure. It may just be like a kernel panic but for a bootloader.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
Leave me alone I'm hung over..

And still feel stupid lol its kholk. Duh
[Atrix 4G Android Development] msd24200:
And that language needs not to be used here, it has been reported
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mr. Clown:
Yes, watch la language guys. Back on topic.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Recon Freak:
I'm getting drunk again to get rid of my hangover, lol!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] msd24200:
:D thanks, that was a nice touch and yes back on topic I believe he is going to surprise us when it's ready.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Vangelis13:
Looking good, looking goooood..! :-)

From Kholk's twitter: ""WooHoo! "MM is set for reboot" .... "Jumping to address" ....""
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xXxSamxXx:
What is MM?

Sent from my Rooted, Chilled, Webtop Modded, and GreyBlured Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hrvstr0fsorow:
I'm pretty sure mm means metamorph. Its a program that lets you mess with frameworks if I'm not mistaken.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xXxSamxXx:
^^^ Thank you

Sent from my Rooted, Chilled, Webtop Modded, and GreyBlured Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
i really doubt it has anything to do with metamorph... either that, or he abandoned the kexek stuff :P

no idea what this MM is, but the jumping to address seems to be kexek related.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ikenley:
Memory Management

http://linux-mm.org/

or some weird experimental kernel thingy.

http://www.kernel.org/patchtypes/mm.html
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
He also tweeted "... BP panicks wonderfully" any one know what BP means and whether or not this is a good thing?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lyon21:
Bp = bootloader

Moto refers to the bootloader as "BP".

Sent from my rooted, gingerblured badass atrix!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Okay so thats a bad thing?? i dont know im not to good with this stuff.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lyon21:
From what I understand, its a great thing. I believe its the same way they jailbroke the iphone. I think it works by making the bootloader panic so he can load other stuff.

Sent from my rooted, gingerblured badass atrix!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] msd24200:
That would be great now lets hope he can pull it off
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tasty_boy:
where are his twitter??

i wanna follow him!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sifon187:
search kholk in twitter and youll get your answer
[Atrix 4G Android Development] LayzeeEyez:
http://twitter.com/#!/kholk
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Recon Freak:
Try looking up U-boot quick reference pdf gives mm description. Very interesting!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] holtenc:
kholk's latest tweet:

"Did anyone know that Motorola is loading only one core of our dual core Tegra 250 (AP20) in the kernel? *BLReboot is closer than you think*
[Atrix 4G Android Development] neer2005:
Beat me to the punch
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sipjca:
Just saw that I was like whaaaat
[Atrix 4G Android Development] creiz:
Why doesn't THIS surprises me?

Good job, Kholk. Thanks for letting out the truth.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
Jeez I've been claiming that the dual cores potential has barely been tapped my motoblur... but I had no idea it was THIS bad!!! Damn I hope this project comes along fast. I need to pretend this phone has nothing to do with that sick company anymore. I should remove the Motorola logo on the back and the name on the front... hmmm.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix using the XDA App
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
maybe they were waiting until they released the gingerbread update to enable it. i wonder if the photon uses both cores since it comes with 2.3.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
If thats true i dont think they should have been allowed to market it as such. but if it dosent use both cores how do we get such good preformance out of it?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
cause it would still be a 1ghz phone. still fast. probably why my bros desire hd scored the same in benches.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
Well.. it's still a 1Ghz core...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
Is that why in setcpu it only lists the Max as 1ghz?

Sent from my Motorola Atrix using the XDA App
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Sometimes i feel like i get better preformance on my Atrix compared to my friends how have other 1Ghz phones. aslong as we can activate both im cool with it for now though
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
And even if dual-core was enabled I dont think these bench apps are multithreaded...

Remember 1Ghz core + 1Ghz core != 2Ghz core
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
i dont think so. 1ghz is the max but it should be two times faster because its two @ 1ghz.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
No, it should not...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] creiz:
No it would still list at 1ghz, because it would detect only one core. Unless set-cpu is updated to support multicores, it should not change.

Now, have we been victims of false advertising? Is that why Motorola is SO keen to locking the bootloader?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
Can you please elaborate?

Are you saying it shouldn't be two times faster or that it should show up as 2ghz?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
Makes sense.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mafiaboy01:
Because there are two cores at 1ghz so unless the apps are optimized to used each core properly it will only run at 1ghz.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lostinbeta:
I wonder if this could be leverage to return the phone after the grace period. Advertising a dual core processor because the device has one but disabling the second core still sounds like false advertisement. I don't think the atrix is a bad phone at all, but I don't feel it was worth me renewing my contract for. Ultimately my fault in the end I guess.

I apologize for going off topic, it was just a thought that popped into my head after reading that.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
wasn't it said somewhere that the second core is used only on webtop ?

dunno, i think i heard something like that.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] chria01:
I wonder what the end result of someone posting about this on the Motorola official forums and seeing if we can get an answer from one of the engineers. Considering how quickly tsouza got his post edited on their today I doubt it would last long....

Also cocchiararo I feel like I read that somewhere as well. I dont have a working micro HDMI cable so I dont have anyway to judge that.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
It's one thing to have a 2ghz core and it's another thing to have a dual-core @ 1Ghz each core. In this last case apps should be multithreaded to achieve speedup. Unfortunatelly most apps (not games though) are single threaded.

What you really get with a multi-core phone is general responsiveness when phone is in heavy load running stuff, because in this case eventhough apps are single threaded you are running lots of them...

Cheers
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
Thats what I said. Just not in so many words. :)

"Two @ 1Ghz"
[Atrix 4G Android Development] msd24200:
OK so maybe I'm missing something but 2.2 doesn't have dual core support right? We won't get that until 2.3 or even better 2.4.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
But an app won't run two times faster!!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
That's why I'm not surprised either. I supposed, since I bought the phone, that we would only experience true dual-core with > 2.3
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
Im not saying it 'currently' would. But if both cores are enabled, in both software and system, then processes would complete ~2x faster. Case in point, AE4 on my dual-core is slower than on my quad-core performing the same tasks.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xXxSamxXx:
Someone has to post this on the motorolla forums! Haha I wanna see those guys stupid responce about how it'll effect the battery life or something.

Sent from my Rooted, Chilled, Webtop Modded, and GreyBlured Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
If someone plans on doing that i gotta get my popcorn ready.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] chria01:
If you look on the last page I posted about asking fotorola on their forums. The problem is that some of us are already considered known trouble makers on their forums like tsouza or myself for asking to many questions about BL. Their mods do not like that and want us silenced.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] msd24200:
Ill do it if ya want
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
I'm sorry, but ia AE4 a game?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Post a link to the thread when you do it so we can watch.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
I think we need more proof than a tweet. Build your case first.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
i also think that i read somewhere that Samsung had some modifications done to android or their kernel in order to use both cores on thei Galaxy s2 line.

no idea if thats true either.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] chria01:
msd24200 I think ur on their list too for telling them that you were returning the phone since the bootloader was locked. Anyway I think you should do it.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tasty_boy:
Age of Empires 4
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
Am I considered a troublemaker???? Lol!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] chria01:
kholk Angelo Del Regno

I'm remembering that social networks are used by companies to sue ppl when a real thing is being written.

5 minutes ago

He deleted that other message that got us all talking.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Nottach:
After Effects. A program specifically designed for complete load customizations and maximum use of ALL resources.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] tsouza:
Well, as I explained in my post, most games are multithreaded... that's a completelly different case from single threaded apps...

Again, a single threaded app/game won't run two times faster