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[Atrix 4G Android Development] stewartsoda:
What do you think Wikipedia is? And I think we can agree that the majority of noobs here don't search the forums, much less Google.

I'm thanking him for a concise rebuttal to the ZOMG I NEED DUAL CORE SUPPORT AND FROYO DOESN'T DO IT LOL posts we're all familiar with.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CaelanT:
My point was he tried to come across as an educated individual, and post what he thought would look like an intelligent response, but make it appear that it was from him.

I called him out!...................I'm still waiting for the response, which will hopefully not be copied and pasted, and will most likely not reflect in any way the writing style of the original post, as the next one may be in his own words! :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] IrateCustomer:
So your panties are all twisted up because he didn't post a bibliography? Why the hell are you wasting our time with this idiocy? Quit posting unless you have something useful for the rest of us. Nobody else cares about his quotations, but rather that the information is accurate.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CaelanT:
And we know the information is accurate because???

...............Yup...........because NO source was posted!

Now, think about your post, and realize you stated "rather that the information is accurate", but don't question where the info came from.

Dunno why............maybe it's the beer.........but Forrest Gump comes to mind when I read your post!

<edit> Just wanted to add that the reason I jumped his sh*t is because he is talking about all the "sh*t" talking going on in this thread, but can't put forth his own opinion, and then basically sh*t talks himself with a copy and paste from other forums. Nuff said I think. We all have opinions, but most of us don't put forth other peoples opinions..........we have our own. If you're going to come in here telling other people they talk sh*t, you better have your OWN sh*t straight before you start talking sh*t!.............Damn, I said sh*t a lot!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] g33k84:
Seriously? How old are you both? 12?

STFU and get back to the thread topic.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] grave101:
My thoughts exactly.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] the2dcour:
Yeah guys stfu, back on topic. This has to return to being a serious thread! Serious. And for all you 12 year old posting on this thread, my dad is 16 and he's a cop, so he'll handcuff you if you post more off topic stuff.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] edgeicator:
One, I didn't talk ****. Second, only the second part of my post was a quote. There's a reason why I separated it from the rest of my post. It's also not some random post from some random forum. It's a direct quote from Google's 3.0 SDK preview. Fact != opinion.

P.S. For someone expecting educated responses, you sure do have poor English and/or typing skills.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] windsor106:
argument end here. thread for devs thx.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sentinel79:
Please clean up everything past OP and lock it please! It makes me sad when I see all his petty bickering :(
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ceo.mtcl:
You are doing the same thing buddy and so am I. You also provoked me to write this post so You caused double damage.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] aquariuz23:
Alright guys, seriously it's enough. This kind of bickering over simple and unnecessary stuffs are the kind of things Devs hate and is probably the reason why most of them stop updating and even supporting users with the goodies. Just look at what a wildfire it became from a simple tweet that Kholk did, up to a point he had to delete his post, probably to avoid getting into trouble.

I seriously feel like the Atrix thread is filled with little kids or immature adults with an ego size of Texas, arguing about petty issues. I wonder if other phone threads are as bad as this. First, kholk's post about OC'ing the cpu on the Atrix had to be locked down because of the same exact thing that is going on here right now. And very soon, an admin is going to shut this down, and kholk will walk away from helping us Atrix users and work on other phones.

So please, just silence yourselves, be patient, and let the poor man work. Let the Devs do their best for us all without having to read over 3 pages of nonsense bickering. We are almost there, and it will be a crying shame if it ends up discarded. Kholk, please continue helping us, I really want this phone to be the greatness it is meant to be. And thank you for all your help, we all really appreciate it.

p.s. Admins, is there a way to ban regular users from posting in dev related threads? So things like this will not happen again?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
They have their own forum to discuss, this thread is more a news thread than anything else
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Vangelis13:
More importantly, Kholk just twittered cryptic (good??) news again.. :-)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nitrox1:
Sounded like he dropped his phone, ha ha ha ;)

Swyped from 'mount' Olympus
[Atrix 4G Android Development] xXxSamxXx:
Kholk said " *Crypt, Crypt, Crack!*..... Oops! :)"

Sent from my Rooted, Chilled, Webtop Modded, and GreyBlured Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Wond3r:
Looking forward to what he means by that!

Good job Kholk
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mr. Clown:
I've cleaned tons of nonsense and offtopic. Please back on topic. There's a thanks button if you lilke to thank the OP..no need to post "Wow"..."Is Great"..Ohh Thanks"

Consider this as a friendly warning, this is a dev thread, If you want to go offtopic there's a forum just for that.

BTW, to some of you...enjoy your infractions;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kartik50:
Thanks Kholk. I can imagine Motorola only putting on one core, but that raises so many questions, such as why does the Atrix get similar Quadrant scores to the LG 2x? LG did it too?

Anyway, I'm ready to donate if u manage to get Cyanogen 7 or ANY ROM to run on this baby.

Thanks Devs!

You've almost cracked the uncrackable.....
[Atrix 4G Android Development] edgeicator:
Please read previous posts in this thread. Open up about phone on your Atrix. It will say SMP Preempt or something similar when looking at the kernel information. SMP stands for symmetric multiprocessing i.e. multicore support at the kernel level. What we don't have is multicore support at the API/Dalvik VM level, where apps can take advantage of multiple cores. That isn't introduced until 3.0+. This means we won't have true multicore support on ANY Android phone until ICS, which should be 3.X or 4.X. Gingerbread does absolutely NOTHING in regards to multicore support.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hate_Romania:
is there any progress on this project? it seems it went silent after the 2nd-init, although i find this project so much better on paper, Kholk and all the other dev thanks for all the effort put in this project

i am not asking for ETA (i know the rules) just asking if there are any news, do we have a conf that somebody is working on cm7 via 2nd-init?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sdlopez83:
Kholk has hardware issues on one of his main machines. Not atrix itself. So be is tending to that this week if I am not mistaken.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] msd24200:
Had he found anyone to start a rom yet?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mgamerz:
Only.had android for a month, but im pretty excited to see this! Though im not sure what 2nd init does if you bypass the bootloader... Im not that good with the linux boot process.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G on the network with the most backhaul, whatever that is. This post might have errors as I hate touchscreen keyboards.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] joe ferreira:
This is a kexec that was developed in the iconia dev forum

I hope this will help Kholk

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1110048
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
2nd init is different from kexec in that kexec allows for custom kernels (like Gingerbread 2.3.4) with 2nd init, we can have CM7 and all that good stuff, but we'll be stuck on Motorola's Froyo kernel.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] hate_Romania:
so is there anybody trying to port cm7 via 2nd-init even if we are stuck with froyo kernel?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
Not that I know of. It'd be awesome if someone was doing it right this moment, but 2nd init was just released a little bit ago. I believe one barrier right now is that we lack enough devs to do a quick port of CM7.

I think that once more devs get word of 2nd-init and Project Eternity that they might start pouring in. For now, all we can do is hope some devs decide the Atrix is worth their time.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zen kun:
I think this should be discussed on right thread, this should be on 2nd init thread

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Sent from my loved atrix ;D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kartik50:
So I think the more valuable proposition is the Kexec + Gingerbread kernel. Maybe we should start a new fund ya know a fiver each to the dude who writes the kernel? Does Kholk get the money for '"cracking" the bootloader?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ChongoDroid:
I think thats a damn good idea. I'm sure these humble devs would prefer to spread it over the ppl that helped him.. but maybe we should buy him a new device :) or maybe a **** load of bacon and beer cyanogen style!

Sent from my Googletron
[Atrix 4G Android Development] banes:
perhaps we should all take advantage of the already existing pool, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1004208&highlight=bounty
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kanek06:
Hello, it is possible to bypass bootloader on Milestone2 like this?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mr. Clown:
I just cleaned this again and banned some annoying member. I don't understand why you want this thread closed because the OP hasn't update the thread (in the time you want). Also, why post nonsense asking when it will be an update. Just mark the thread and check it out. No need to post nothing and be upset because there is no update available. I will give this a couple of days and if I don't see any reaction from the OP, I will temporary close this.

Again, this is not customer service and demanding things from devs is not what XDA is about ;). They do this for free in their spare time.

Thanks and I hope I don't see offtopic rants.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] agrabren:
The Milestone 2 is a TI OMAP, not a Tegra core. So while kexec or 2nd init may help in cracking its bootloader, it is unlikely that they would actually be cracked using the same technique. Consider kexec and 2nd init as tools, not solutions. While both of those tools offer ways for developers to do more with the device, even develop new kernels, it is ultimately possible for an OTA to come down and close a hole or patch an exploit. And while we can attempt to prevent it, it's possible for a new required radio update to paint users into a corner.

For better understanding, look at how the iphone is protected and what has been done to crack it. For the current generation, the ultimate break was found, the boot rom had been cracked. Before that, it was more touch and go, and each baseband update (radio) introduces new problems to the hacking community.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] lyon21:
Speaking of the iphone... Is it possible to use a boot rom exploit, such as the iphone? Or has that already been tried?

Sent from my rooted, gingerblured badass atrix!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] agrabren:
The iphone is actually a much simpler architecture, consisting of only three parts. The bootrom, iboot, and the os. The bootrom of the iphone does a lot more than the bootrom of the Atrix. While it is possible a bootrom exploit could be found, it is far less likely, a the device doesn't do as much there. One reason the bootloader is so strong, using the iphone for comparison, is that this is a much later revision of hardware and software. Because manufacturers share certain common portions of the code for the bootloader, each time a device gets cracked, the hole gets fixed for the next one.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] agrabren:
On the specific topic of kexec, one of the reasons that kexec is so helpful in cracking the device can be found in the kernel source. If you read the applied settings for the device, you'll find the partitions visible from the kernel start after the MBR. By reviewing the SBF files, you can see there are definitely some important partitions hidden before the MBR, including the actual bootloader. The bootloader visible in the linux kernel appears to be a shadow copy, for some yet unknown reason. So it is still undetermined whether the retail devices have an encrypted and/or signed bootloader. The ASUS Transformer may offer us some significant insight into how secured devices work on the Tegra 2. Since the SBK was discovered for the tablet, it is possible to analyze a secure device without locking a dev unit.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thebeardedchild:
kholk seemed to be working and updating often, then it all just kinda stopped after he sort of hinted at a pretty big breakthrough...

I heard he had some sort of computer troubles (unrelated to project)?

Sent from my Motorola Atrix using the XDA App
[Atrix 4G Android Development] stevendeb25:
anyone willing to build a kernel?

if everything else is working then kernel is all we need

p.s what phones have actually got a working exec and kernel?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Mossys:
Has anyone tried the password "password" I swear its the password for this bootloader.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] _Alex_:
Kholk [OP] hasn't posted in this thread in 40 days now. There is very little relevant information in this thread, so until Kholk PMs me or any one of the moderation staff, I'm going to keep this thread closed.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ryanbg:
Can any of this project code be applied to the current kexec project for the Droid X/Sholes platform? I understand there are probably several differences in the bootchain and eFuse (if applicable to Tegra platform) when comparing the Tegra architecture and TI OMAP architecture, but it's worth looking in to.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
Just wondering, will this eventually allow us to use ROM manager? Or are we going to have to stick with Tenfar's recovery? I hate being tethered to a wall to boot into recovery.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cellzealot:
kexec has not worked on any previous Motorola device because the radio shuts down and can't be restarted under the custom kernel.

No radio means no phone, texts or data, nothing.

I wish you guys luck, but if speaking the truth and discussing the possibilities from an informed perspective is considered a downer then you really need to get a grip, sorry.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
But no previous Motorola phone was like the Atrix :D Don't be sucha debbie downer!

It may be an informed perspective, but I've seen you shoot down almost every method suggested. We don't know it'll work until we try.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PixoNova:
I know where he comes from. It's obvious from his sig. But have you ever stopped to think that maybe the Atrix is different? Like I said, we won't know until we try. I would put a hold on saying 'Get a grip, I told you so' until we're actually proven wrong.

And from what I've seen, TBH hasn't tried every possible option on this phone, and just writes it off as a failure.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
or we could just wait and see what happens when this is executed, then form an opinion from practical experience.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ceo.mtcl:
Well that's why it is a development thread. Let's see where this project goes. Let's see how good cm7 runs (whenever possible) and let's see what are the tradeoffs. Until then we all are supportive to any and all of devs for this project.

We all here are having our hopes high on this project. Good work devs.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] bearsfan172:
Here's the thing though guys. Kholk said that the kernel he has written works just fine when flashed on his dev atrix as a custom kernel. The only issue with it is getting kexec to boot to the already working kernel. So most likely the potential radio or other issues wont be a problem. Unless moto went in and specifically broke radio any time kexec is working? I guess I might not entirely put it past them though...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sifon187:
Not to be the forum police, but lets keep the "omg awesome" "you rock my socks" and bickering comments to a minimum. By doing this, it allows this thread to be more efficient on passing useful information. You can PM me with all your hate if you like ;D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] YellowGTO:
Has everyone forgotten the Motorola Defy?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] t0dbld:
here are some of the params will post more later

Boot Address: Ram + 0x00A00800

Ramdisk = Ram + 0x05000000

Tags = Ram + 0x00000100
[Atrix 4G Android Development] franciscojavierleon:
there's a difference. the atrix is not an OMAP device. it's tegra. we don't know if the same will happen.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] PhillyBlunt474:
This. The device is a tad bit different from what has been tooled with in the past. Yes TBH has had quite a bit of experience with moto devices but working on a tegra platform changes a tad bit as well. I am looking forward to developments and with I could offer more in this time.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nitrox1:
I hear Motorola will be putting an update out soon for the Olympus, surely this will be an attempt for Motorola to quench this development? And does anyone know how this will effect the European atrix?

Desire is the source of all suffering.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kholk:
I know. But OMAP has got another type of security and also, if the same happens on Tegra2, we can skip the BP from being initialized by the first kernel, so that it can be initialized by the kexec'ed one. :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DJFliX:
Yeah, but the problemen isn't booting the custom kernel anymore, the problem is now booting a custom kernel AND keep the radio enabled... As I understand Motorola has used some kind of protection in the past which prevents the radio from working whenever a custom kernel is used.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Can you please just wait until the thing is done to go ahead and make assumptions? as of now we have no idea whether or not Motorola did the same thing with this phone because of the Tegra 2 chip.

EDIT: Couldnt ROM developers just add the Telstra 1.4.2 Radio into ROMS and have it work that way?? Probably not just thought i would ask
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kholk:
Yep, but the problem is given by the reinitialization of the RADIO.

If we boot the first kernel without initializing the radio we won't have these problems as the radio will be initialized only by the kexec'ed kernel.

Hint: "Boot Android (no BP)"

:)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] agrabren:
And once we can boot a custom kernel, it's very possible the bootloader will fall.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kvnastn:
I would definitely be willing to donate for a working bootloader solution. I have an htc evo 4g also and really love the benefits of a thriving development community. Not to mention ask the cool possibilities the tegra 2 chip can offer.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] blackax:
the main differance is that in the milestone and other devices that this has failed on is that the boot loader passes the radio info. On the atrix its the kernel that controls it. So we shouldnt run intothe same problems.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] banes:
i have to disagree, no benefit in expecting the worse if we really have nothing to lose and nothing better to direct our energies to anyway, we are grown adults, we can handle loss, we shouldn't have to brace ourselves like this project not working will be a major traumatic experience like being rejected by the girl you asked out, its not like we are making a financial decision based on kexek working, well i hope people arent buying atrix now thinking this will work for sure anyway...

good luck to us all
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Gutterball:
Very true!! But at least we still have alot of real nice perks for such a locked down device. I mean hell we just got 1080p recording now!!! check it out!! http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1079760 and this absolutely works! I have it running on 1.83 gladiatrix! :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] agrabren:
We can look at three possible community results. First, complete failure. In this case, the Atrix remains locked and we have a nice phone with motoblur stuck on it. Second, we gain the ability to kexec a new kernel. While good, not ideal and may encounter some additional roadblocks. Third, we find a way to unlock the device. This will likely be built on top of the hard work for this project.

A quick glance at the Atrix kernel reveals that we are only seeing some of the partitions. The earliest partitions are hidden from the standard kernel. What will we be able to do once we have access to all the partitions?

As a word of warning to everyone trying anything along these lines: we don't have the SBK, so nvflash is out of the question. It is more than a little possible to soft-brick your phone in a way that only Motorola could recover. Without access to the "backdoor" flashing system, you may be at Motorola's mercy.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Treello:
I'm extremely pleased with all the work everyone has done... 2 things... 1. doomsdayers - gtfo.. you discourage the deb's from caring

Also hasn't Motorola said they will unlock it eventually?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Gutterball:
Yes but they also said it will depend on the carrier... So if AT&T doesnt approve of unlocking? Then it wont be unlocked! :mad:
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
it's questionable because they never explicitly said "We will unlock the Atrix's bootloader" just mentioned something about a "solution" for "older devices" "some time in Q4" "depending on the carrier's approval".

so no one can really tell what something that ambiguous means, we can HOPE, but can't be sure. plus this would be really nice to have in the meantime even if they do end up unlocking it eventually.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] leets4uc3:
If we had cm7 would that get rid of fkn motoblur?

Sent from my MB860
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SN4K3B1T3:
Yes it will as it is built from 2.3.4 AOSP

Sent from my GreyBlurred Bell Atrix
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
this is similar to the "kexek/second boot" failed attemps that were once researched for the Moto Milestone that always crashed when trying to load the Radio/modem, right ?

If yes, how "far" is this proyect compared to what "achieved" for the Milestone ? i remember selling mine after months of waiting (i replaced it with a nexus one, nice upgrade :P )

I said "motorola, never again"... i have an inspire 4G now, but the Atrix is soon to be released here, coming with the HD dock, at a "reasonable" price... so i feel tempted to at least buy it to see how it runs :P

Knowing that there's hope here will encourage me XD
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
reformulating... (the OP had enought info tho, i think)

Motorola milestone kexek was NEVER completed, complete failure

Is this phone/proyect any different ?

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Happy now ? :/
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jiggytom:
No:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13819130&postcount=118

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13812597&postcount=113
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cocchiararo:
ah, brilliant.

Maybe this is because the Tegra has no integrated baseband ?

Comes june 22, i will be able to get this anyway.

I thought that the main reason this phoen had more chances was because the US model was also locked, now i understand its more hardware related.