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[Atrix 4G General] wirednix:
Yes, I read it.

I also read the replies that added actual value to the discussion. Then I saw a couple of replies that added nothing to the topic, but in turn were rude to the OP.

As tired as I am of seeing topics that have been discussed at great lengths in the forums come up again and again, I am even more tired of individuals who go out of their way to mistreat the ones who started said topics. If you see something you don't care about, skip it. I do it to about 50% of the threads here on XDA. It's the nature of a forum in which people can create posts. There will always be those who instead of searching and using the forum as a reference, will simply start a topic as a medium to 'chat' with other people. I don't condemn them for doing so.

For what it's worth, I was more bothered by the other person's reply, which I also quoted, than yours Caelan. I've seen your contribution to the forums in general and I appreciate someone who takes the time to help another, but I also see that duplicate posts/threads appear to be somewhat of a pet peeve for you (from your post history). Try to just do what I do and ignore it :) I apologize if I came off as offensive towards you.

Geez. That was too long. I'm done. :P
[Atrix 4G General] lesonal:
I just picked up the sg2 yesterday

i'm returning it tomorrow

Most overrated piece of **** on this planet!
[Atrix 4G General] wirednix:
Can you elaborate on why?

Also, where did you get it from?
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Where did you get it from?

Why don't you like it?...
[Atrix 4G General] Exador:
Then don't read them nobody is forcing you. I want to sell my Atrix but it's hard to sell something they're giving away for next to nothing. Nobody wants to buy a locked down Android device anyway. You think Motorola would get a clue seeing how nobody's buying their phones anymore. I'd love to be able to sell my Atrix and get an sg2. Samsung gets it while Motorola doesn't have a clue.
[Atrix 4G General] seanzscreams:
screw samsung and there touchwiz bull**** i love my galaxy s but omg the complaint list piles to the top, there is no way sgs2 will have a webtop dock or an nvidia tegra 2 chip(atleast at first) plus having both in my hands, there are serious plusses and negatives to an amoled screen, i prefer qhd now after the past few days ive realized, this atrix , is the best phone out there hands down. the only thing that could top it is a dual core 3d phone so if a locked bootloader is your only complaint id stay right where you are.
[Atrix 4G General] blunted09:
please for the love of God go get an sgs2 and bother them exador.

for the record, they sell for $500+ where i am on kijiji/craigslist. Il gladly give you $200 for your atrix.

Please leave.
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
Once the SGS2 gets CM7, it'll run nice. TouchWiz is just crap though.

Even with Cognition on my cappy it still lagged. CM7 is the best option, IMO, for the cappy. Hope the SGS2 doesn't need it as bad.
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
3D isn't gonna top it...its the upcoming Nexus. 3D on a isn't necessary.

Once Atrix gets GB...watch out. Plus devs are close to bypassing the BL
[Atrix 4G General] Moandal:
You're so very right when you say all phones have their faults. There are so many posts on the Atrix forum about poor battery life (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=967763), poor display (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=970002), poor wifi performance (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1047546), and many other problems.

But the Atrix, like the SGS2, is a good phone.
[Atrix 4G General] CyberPunk7t9:
John Carmack saved nvidia somehow back in 2004. Nvidia's relationship went downhill with Microsoft because of issues regarding the original Xbox console GPU, Which was made by Nvidia. The bad relationship then made Microsoft get closer with nvidia's direct competitor during development of MS Direct X9, ATI Graphics.

Carmack is so fund of OpenGL. Unlike the majority of game developers, He did not rely on Microsoft's Direct X API to lead-design the engine used by legendary game Doom 3. Instead OpenGL API was used.

ATI's improved relationship with MS got them a big lead against nvidia in DX9 games performance benchmarks at the time. But when Doom 3 was released anticipated like no other game at the time, nvidia GPU's outperformed everything else in the market that uses OpenGL.

I did not mean that as an off-topic. Nvidia has huge knowledge and technologies in OpenGL up to this day (Android uses OpenGL ES). Also Nvidia are known to have the best linux support drivers for GPU's (Android is based on linux). So I don't finding surprising at all. In fact, I honestly predicted an app like the TegraZone before the Atrix was released.
[Atrix 4G General] cordell507:
just wait for the htc holiday
[Atrix 4G General] Dell2:
Good one! I actually laughed out loud.
[Atrix 4G General] sifon187:
Why should someone wait for a device that has no real world testing. Specs look great on paper, but it takes hands one use to know if it is a good product.
[Atrix 4G General] androidfusion:
I wasn't saying the Atrix didn't have problems, but for all those thinking the SGS II is that perfect phone that is better than all other phones out there, it certainly isn't. The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.
[Atrix 4G General] anomaly460:
All things considered (development included) the SGSII seems to be the "dog with more fleas" compared to the Atrix. Its just the sexy alternative because it has an unlocked BL...kinda the same way you date that new chick simply because she's not your x girlfriend.

Honestly (locked BL or not) I'd be thrilled with the same tweaks currently available and GB on the Atrix..For those who don't feel that's enough, the wise alternative would be, as stated before, to wait for the next nexus phone (next gen hardware, latest google offerings, and an unlocked BL)

Rumor has it that Motorola will be developing it though :)
[Atrix 4G General] darkamikaze:
HTC Holiday isn't much of an upgrade.. D:
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
What about the HTC Sensation... ??
[Atrix 4G General] iceman4357:
I agree with a few others on here about the grass not being greener on the other side. The sgs2 feels really cheap and was way too big for my liking. Yea it as an 8mp camera, but carrying a real digital cameta is probably smaller than the sgs2.
[Atrix 4G General] kareeem:
Guys, please tone the language down and if you're not going to post something constructive, please refrain from posting.
[Atrix 4G General] ChongoDroid:
You should buy the phone and tell us what you think.

Edit: or not we don't care

Sent from my Googletron
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Possibly just another HTC phone with poor battery life.

Especially with the extra processor, larger screen, and not that much bigger battery. IMO Could be a recipe for disaster before leaving the gate.

I'd rather give the Nokia N9 running on Meego a chance, and then the next Nexus before even thinking about the HTC Sensation IMHO...
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
No doubt the Sensation will have HTC's usual battery life conundrum just like every other HTC device out there (although the Desire HD at least lasted a day for me). However, if its a 4.3" package, with the unibody design I'd take HTC's almost bullet proof chassis over battery life any day of the week (I dropped my Desire HD a few times and it never missed a beat). To be honest if the SGS II had HTC's chassis, I'd have very little else to complain about.

To choose a Nokia N9 over the dual core HTC Sensation would be to take a few steps back IMO. Sure the N9 has Meego, but if you haven't been reading the news lately, Nokia's ultimate direction is Windows Mobile - so chances are you'll have software support for around 6-8 months, then Nokia (as they do) will probably drop Meego in a hole and thats the end of life production for ya. Nokia did the same with the Maemo and deserted the N900 after all. I suspect Nokia is releasing a (single) Meego handset just to prove to the world that all the $$ spent on the platform wasn't wasted - maybe they did it for the development staff.. Who knows.. On another subject, and I hate to admit it, but I was a closet N900 lover - and if Nokia had updated it with a Capacitive screen it would have been a hit, along with Maemo which wasn't half bad.

Now on to the Nexus S II, one would have to assume that it will take a similar form factor as the SGS II (possibly the same internals but with a curved screen :D), and not to mention Google has a 12 month turn around with devices so it probably won't be out until December 12, 2011. That leaves a pretty big hole for the most of this year, and we're going to have Quad Core devices in 1Q 2012. In reality, having the Atrix, or even the SGS II is a good investment as both devices will keep one busy and up to speed for the most part of this year. The only downside is the wait for Gingerbread on the Atrix, however Motorola is probably positioning this to be released not long after the global release of the Atrix (EU, UK, AU, etc.) to keep it interesting.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
^ Sure the N9 will have a small window, but it will still be supported by hardcore Linux fans.

Plus by the time it dies, I'll be already looking towards the next "Nexus" device.

I am all too familiar with WM7 and refuse to jump in. However the N9 is a phone that I've been waiting forever to arrive...
[Atrix 4G General] cordell507:
The holiday and sensation are basically the same thing besides the screen sizes
[Atrix 4G General] chrisduclo:
I got a atrix to sell
[Atrix 4G General] vinay427:
As a recommendation, if that's your personal e-mail I wouldn't post it on a public forum. Pretty easy to get spammed that way. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] krad54:
Just curious, does anyone who owns the sgsII miss having a fingerprint reader? Also, would you say you prefer the samoled plus' vibrance over the qhds pixel density?

Sent from my Gingerblurred Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] tjjensen23:
No and yes ;)
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
A phones body doesn't really matter if you're gonna buy a protective case anyway
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
No - Definitely don't miss the fingerprint reader

Yes - I do like the deep blacks & rich colours on the SAMOLED (but prefer the pixel density of the qHD)
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
Thats assuming every one uses a protective case - which I don't.

......And if the phone was meant to be used in a protective case, the manufacturer should supply you one free of charge.
[Atrix 4G General] ChongoDroid:
Hmm.. I really loved the color saturation on the n1 screen so I'm jealous of that but the qhd doesn't seem as bad as say the iphone screen. I like the fingerprint scanner but could live without it.

I hope the next nexus is an amoled.. I'll be all over that!

Sent from my Googletron
[Atrix 4G General] roharia:
From now on I only use qHd and smiled screens's, anything else is sub-par
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
Compare the qHD and SAMOLED to an HTC's LCD. Yuck!
[Atrix 4G General] htc fan89:
Htc sensation has qhd display
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
I'm very keen to see what this phone is like up close.

Could end up being a real winner
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
But will you still like it after a couple of hours when it has to go back on the charger?...
[Atrix 4G General] omnius1:
I've been a samsung "fanboy" with tv's, monitors, and phones for over a decade. I encourage you to go samsung so you as well can enjoy the experience firsthand of seeing what their hardware quality and reliability has become like in the last 2-3 years....

...not.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Galaxy users have a laundry list of issues too, it's what you can live with...
[Atrix 4G General] grave101:
Where are you guys getting your sgs2's from? Prices to get it to the U.S are RIDICULOUS

Also, where did you sell your atrix? eBay?
[Atrix 4G General] shirzadians:
Why is this thread still alive?
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Expansys $725. Worth every penny to not have to use the atrix or deal with AT&T's ****.
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
SGS2 got nothing on the ATRIX!!!
[Atrix 4G General] chaosjh:
my opinion (that doesn't matter) is that a dev with an interest in spending the time create a new thread that only tells people what to buy and why. is see both sides of the story and both are right and wrong in different ways. instead of sites just simply saying hey this one is a little faster, we need a pro to give the moddable and true potential of a given phone...
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
Comparisons...

CPU/GPU, Gaming/Apps

Atrix = SGSII

Clock per clock I would still give it to the Atrix. 8-core GPU/4-core GPU. Productivity and gaming test are a toss up. Plus you will find better optimized apps/games with Tegra. You got to admit Nvidia is good about getting developers to get the most out of their devices ($$$$).

GPS

Atrix>SGSII

Screen

Atrix = SGSII

qHD vs SAMOLED+. Higher Whites vs Greater Blacks. Higher Pixel vs More Subpixels but less dense. 24-bit screen vs 16-bit screen with banding. 4" vs 4.3" Personal preference.

***Though until/if the screen can be updated to 24-bit color I would give slight edge to Atrix.

Build Quality

Atrix=SGSII

I have heard nothing but good out of both.

One thing to note Atrix got high marks on ifixit review. I don't think one has been done on SGSII yet.

Battery Life

Atrix>SGSII

It goes without question on this one. The 1900mah battery was a good decision.

Accesories

Atrix>SGSII

Laptop Dock (Webtop), Media Dock(Webtop),Car Dock(Special Menus),Charing Dock. Plus the device has been out awhile longer. This could change latter down the road.

OS

Atrix<SGSII

2.2 vs 2.3 and also Custom ROMs enough said. Moto has said they will unlock bootloaders this fall, and people are working on breaking/bypassing it (some progress). But this is something SGSII has a HUGE advantage on. Blur and Touchwiz both have their ups and downs too.

Other Features

Atrix=SGSII

FingerPrint reader vs NFC. True HDMI port vs USB port. 5MP vs 8MP camera.
[Atrix 4G General] chaosjh:
not quite what i had in mind but good compare. the biggest difficulty i came across was losing the ability to play the badass gameloft games. but the gps is beast on the atrix, lock in seconds and spot on as a walk through my house. sgs2...maybe, but i think my next toy will be a pad, the atrix fills my every need of a smartphone.
[Atrix 4G General] kakwvu:
Can people please quit posting why one phone is better than the other. Jeesh. Get what you want, post all about how you love it in those forums (and please, in the threads that are "OMG I LOVE THIS PHONE," not your own new topic), and wait for development on whatever you have.
[Atrix 4G General] bimmerd00d:
Exactly. Make this thread in the forum of the new phone and let all those users beat off to the decision to get that phone.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I know small hands, but I don't like the form factor of this phone.

IMO 4" is the perfect size and a phone like the Atrix I'd the perfect size IMHO. I'm just not a fan of Qhd.

I know I'm weird... :(
[Atrix 4G General] martyhog:
One HUGE plus for Atrix vs SGSII, the LED light. I can not live without an LED. I don't think SGSII has one. I was going to hold out and wait for the SGSII until I read it doesnt have an LED. So I got the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Totally agree that Led is important to me as well, but "NoLed" or the "Backlight Notification Mod" does a good job covering up for Samsung's major overseight...
[Atrix 4G General] ceo.mtcl:
I agree.
[Atrix 4G General] ceo.mtcl:
I'll never give away my atrix. I'm in love with my phones. I like my nexus s also, but I absolutely love my atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] charles47:
No doubt......
[Atrix 4G General] Beaker491:
What gameloft games don't work on the atrix? A lot of games on the market currently don't work on the SGS2 as well....

Ian
[Atrix 4G General] bimmerd00d:
I picked up a Vibrant for the wife this week off craigslist and I must say that it's a great phone once you root it and get a proper modem/kernel/rom on there. She seems to like it, and the battery is on par or even better than the Atrix at this point. I love my Atrix still, but I wouldn't be pissed if I had to give it up for a Vibrant. They're both great devices, the Atrix has a few more features but the GS devices (even the older ones) are no slouch.
[Atrix 4G General] thebeardedchild:
What? Source?
[Atrix 4G General] ricky1989:
things that drives me away from getting the Atrix are 1. Locked bootloader 2. Lack usb OTG. otherwise it would have become the perfect device.
[Atrix 4G General] ceo.mtcl:
Nice to know. I still love huge feature list on atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] bee55:
My friend got an SGS2 yesterday, so I had the opportunity to use it for a couple of minutes and I have to say that I am simply amazed. If you get the chance just compare the colors of the main menu of Fruit Ninja on the 2 phones. The Atrix's screen just looks ridiculously dull and 'weak' compared to the super amoled plus one and it's so awesome that I didn't even notice the lower pixel density.

Also the GPU in the SGS2 is significantly stronger than Tegra. Just watch a video on youtube in which they test it in nenamark or quadrant in any other benchmark (For example on the quadrant 2d test, where Tegra cannot go over 20 fps and only gets around 25 fps when OCd to 1,5GHz, the SGS2 gets around 50-55fps. Also all it runs all the 3d tests on it's 60fps screen cap.)

The only advantage of Tegra would be the exclusive games, but now all of them can be run on any phone that's powerful.enough with Chainfire3D (not even mentioning that Tegra can't play high profile mpeg4...).

I like the looks of the Atrix better, but if I had a chance to trade it for an SGS2 I wouldn't hesitate much.
[Atrix 4G General] tonybhoy:
I've got the sgs2 and really like it but always feeling for it as I'm scared I'll break it so was looking at the atrix but after reading a few posts here I might just stay for a while lol
[Atrix 4G General] bee55:
If you happen to want an Atrix instead of your SGS2 just tell me ;).
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
I've compared the screens and free memory at startup on both devices. The colors on the atrix are definitly better and realistic, plus it can show the white unlike the grayish/blueish gs2 display.

And the free ram on both devices at startup ;

Atrix 450mb-600mb

Galaxy S2 270-300mb

the s2 might have an early rom on it or whatever but i wouldn't trade my atrix for a sh*tty samsung ever,never.
[Atrix 4G General] bee55:
Well...seems the free memory test results are not very accurate. Take a look at 4:53 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyJk2luvv4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Atrix 4G General] MrPhilo:
I have to disagree with this.

The LG Optimus 2X (T-Mobile G2X even which has gingerbread) didn't even do a huge difference in performance... (Tegra 2)

The CPU + GPU isn't better as well, I mean for Smartbenchmark 2011 (More reliable than Quadrant) the Galaxy S2 CPU gets 4.2k average and the GPU around 2.3k, but the reason being is that the GPU is capped at 60fps whereas the LGO2X/Atrix is capped higher or something also the CPU on LG2X has to be overclocked to 1.5Ghz to achieve 4.xk in Smartbench2011.

Also Samsung created there own Hardware acceleration for UI and the Stock browser which is smooth as butter! Andd... Samsung GS2 is more superior than the Atrix in pretty much anything but the Atrix is still a beast (My brother has it).

Take this as 'my' reason of why you should change, I mean, you'll defiantly wont regret it :).

(To backup that the Mali GPU is better than the Tegra we can use the Quadrant 2D+3D framerate. The Mali hits solid on 60fps capped (58-65 randomly) on all the 2D+3D, whereas Tegra averages around 40fps-50fps, well maybe not the planet bit)

Regards,

Samsung Fanboy :D

Sources: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyJk2luvv4

EDIT: For RAM & Colour

I think you got a mistake there? The Galaxy S2 is 630MB RAM free at start while the Atrix is 540MB RAM free :rolleyes:

Also the colour statement is wrong in my opinion, the colour is way more vibrant than the Atrix which then turns it unrealistic (so the Atrix screen can be more colourful as you stated). Also the Pentile screen isn't as great, they should have went with the IPS, defiantly alot more vibrant and realistic colour.

(I know im gonna get hated for this but whatever)
[Atrix 4G General] paravorheim:
I don't think you'll get hatred on, as you posted accurate sources. But performance on the atrix is nothing to be laughed at, compared to anything offered on at&tat this moment. Sure, it's going to get bested by newer phones, it's how the market should work. But I doubt that the performance will leave anyone wanting more.

And I feel that given nvidia's push for developing for tegra will lead to much more optimized games for the atrix.

Food for thought, guys.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
I disagree with you on the SoC comparison. It is the very reason why SGS and SGS2 can play high profile H.264 videos whereas Tegra 2 phones can only play baseline H.264.

Because of the lack of a Neon core in the Tegra 2 among other issues, Motorola is jumping ship to the TI SoC

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...this-the-new-droid-bionic-sure-looks-like-it/

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/05/3...atures-nvidia-tegra-2-coming-ti-omap-instead/

More details about the neon core is found here. http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/

Anyone who thinks that Gingerbread will somehow boost the Atrix's benchmarks by 1000 in say Quadrant is misinformed. Gingerbread does not improve dual core performance. Low level dual core support is in froyo. Not until ICS do we get dual core support in the Dalvik VM that Android uses to run apps.

With regards to the screen, the Atrix either does not have a 24 bit screen or doesn't utilize it correctly at all as it too has severe color banding issues. Just open up the default calculator app. The buttons have horrible banding issues. The atrix also has very poor yellow reproduction. It is very green. I give the edge to the SGS2 for better color reproduction.

Battery life on both phones are equal. Every reviewer is getting a full day on their SGS2; 2 days with light usage. I get a day's worth from my Atrix and I use it below-average, but not light (mostly music and web surfing). Even though the Atrix has a bigger battery, it seems the SGS2 draws less power, so this equals out.

Accessories, I have found all the Atrix designed ones to be near worthless. The laptop dock is way overpriced. The media dock is just a normal dock with a bluetooth mouse/keyboard combo. It just sends a special signal to the atrix, which has already been hacked, to enable the webtop GUI on your TV. Both have or will have a car dock, which is really nothing special. You can just run the app with a generic car dock. This is more of a personal preference thing, though.

Overall, I find the only thing the Atrix has over the SGS2, for me at least, is the fingerprint reader. Pretty much everything else, the SGS2 is equal to or surpasses the Atrix.

Also, I can't stand the Tegra Zone. All it does is introduce even more fragmentation into the Android market. It takes mostly already existing games and just optimizes it for 1 particular SoC. I doubt many developers will make the switch simply because they have a much broader audience if they code for all Android devices instead of just ones with a specific SoC.
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
Everyone is comparing the ****ty display of S2 depending on what they see at the youtube videos, just go to a shop and take out your atrix from your pocket and take the s2 from the shelf, hold it side by side.After that, you'll see that the ****ty display of s2 is nothing more than a more advanced version of the ****ty display of galaxy s.

In the end, **** is ****. :D