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[HTC Sensation] DuoM:
For me:

Notofication LEDs: Yup, I'm still on this one.

Four buttons instead of three: I never used to use the dedicated search button before but now I use it regularly

Async CPU Cores: If this works well then it could turn out to be much better on battery life than other dual-core handsets (need to really test this one)

Design: I really don't like the design of the SGS II - it really looks like an iPhone to me. A few days ago I saw a display with a huge iPhone on it and I thought it was the SGS II.

Screen colours: I wanted natural screen colours for viewing and displaying photographs not super saturated, etc. I hear that it may be possible to set your preference now on SAMOLED+, which would be good.

Corporate Support: From what I've seen in the past HTC are better at supporting their products than Samsung. This isn't just about updates it's about fixing hardware flaws too.

Hardware/Software Compatibility: I don't know if it will be the same for the SGS II but looking at the Android Market it seems that every third app *I* look at either doesn't work on the original SGS or has some kind of workaround for it. Was I surprised when the Microsoft WP7 pre NoDo update failed on Samsung phones? No, of course not. Was I surprised when the NoDo updated failed on Samsung phones? No, of course not. After all these were Samsung phones.

I would have included on more, Developer Support, however HTC are actively trying to stop the dev community from unlocking their bootloaders so I expect the SGS II to have much, much more developer support unless the Sensation is unlocked pretty quickly.

Let me also add that unless a free unlock is found for the Sensation's bootloader I won't be buying it. Free matters because that will affect developer support. Let me add that despite what I have written above, if I don't get the Sensation due to the bootloader lock then I will most probably get an SGS II.

These are all personal to me and I doubt that there is anything there that will sway you one way or another.
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
oh God, can anyone provide us with scores for those tests ?
[HTC Sensation] daSn00p:
for the branding issue:

like sjgore said in his thread there are the apps which cant be removed and the turnoff pic.

@the others:

can u determine if ur firmware is a "special" vodafone fw.

is the version nr of the fw a "special" one so u cant install the coming updates for unbranded phones?
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Peeps, shouldn't this benchmalarkey be discussed in its own thread? Interferring with people discussing their Vodafone Order chat.

:p
[HTC Sensation] fz9999:
....aaaand back on topic :D

I've just picked mine up from the my local Vodafone shop. No tracking number in any email and no phone call from the shop when it arrived, as promised in the 'Your order is on its way' email. :rolleyes:

Now to have a play...:cool:
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Guys, if benchmark means so much to you, please buy SGII.
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
It's here :D
[HTC Sensation] Ernie89:
Watch the HTC Sensation unboxing & first-impressions [Video]
[HTC Sensation] chrisg1548:
hey guys cant post links yet but slashgear has a unboxing and first impressions video on there site. check it out.
[HTC Sensation] eXceed:
anyone rooted there's yet? I've got gingerbreak running at the moment. Not sure how long it's supposed to take :S
[HTC Sensation] simacca:
Just been playing with mine. Nice so far :)
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
Given how long it has taken people to try to get root on the Incredible S for example, I don't think Gingerbreak will be able to root it.

If it was that simple, everyone would have rooted Incredible S by now :p

If by some miracle it DOES work, please let us know ;)
[HTC Sensation] eXceed:
I figured to be honest, but thought id give it a go!! Lol :).

Will keep at it!
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
Async cores iv posted evidence that the samsung also has this in another threas and yet time n time again peeps keep saying it doesn't. Would u mind supplying a link to you info source
[HTC Sensation] DuoM:
Why don't you post a link to the information showing that it does because when I looked at the Samsung documentation I didn't see it there.

I may have missed it so I'm assuming that you are now going to post a link to the Samsung documentation that says it does.
[HTC Sensation] shan123:
Did anyone compare Sensation screen with Desire HD yet? Does bigger resolution makes any diffrence?
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
I believe theres a veiw all posts option on peoples profiles. Find it in there :)
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
Screen does look very crisp :)
[HTC Sensation] DuoM:
Sorry, not going to waste my time. Note though that I'm not the one charging into threads declaring that the Samsung SoC has async cores. Since you care so much post a link to the information in the Samsung documentation.
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
Wtf. Not charging into anything. It was a plain and simple request. Touchy much. I've already taken the time to do my research before I post 'facts'. If the information I gathered from a number of source was incorrect I would very much like to know and thats why I asked for sources. Its called education. And before you go down the 'fan boy' path or the troll path just don't bother because if u do your research from my posts you'll see that im neither.
[HTC Sensation] stef19732:
hiya guys

got mine couple of hours ago and screen is loads crisper and looks better than my desire hd does im still fiddling with it will let you know
[HTC Sensation] DuoM:
I think you're the one who's touchy.

Since this information isn't secret and since Samsung, like other chip makers, are trying to sell their SoC for use by other manufacturers all this information should be available on the Samsung website.

I looked at the documentation for their SoC a while ago and didn't see it but like I said in an earlier post I may have missed it. If you have the information that you claim you do why not just post a link to it? No, I don't want to trawl through all your forum posts to find it, thanks.

Do you have straight documented evidence the the cores in the Samsung SoC are asynchronous or is it a matter of conjecture?
[HTC Sensation] boostedb16b:
bassmonkey the sgs2 isnt async so i would really like to see your sources for this one
[HTC Sensation] Acei:
I've been reading this thread because I am interested in getting this phone as well, but I've also noticed few comments here that are incorrect regarding Smartbench 2011 (I'm the author).

First of all, Smartbench 2011 does not depend heavily on the I/O. Smartbench 2010 had some components of it, but it turned out to be so unreliable that I had to take it out, replace it with more extensive CPU test.

Second, Smartbench 2011 does recognize and use both cores. 2011 was re-written to do just this.

I will probably look into average of each CPU-related test scores to see why Qualcomm processor is recording lower scores. Each mini-test was designed to stress certain aspect of the processor, so there might be some answers hidden within the details of the test results in Smartbench results database.

My apology in advance for going off the topic. :)
[HTC Sensation] boostedb16b:
i too would like to see what your results are
[HTC Sensation] Bratag:
Welcome welcome. Nice to see an author showing up in the forums :).

I think someone also said that its only showing 1 cpu listed in smartbench. Might be a place to start.
[HTC Sensation] PygoShlee:
Got mine today :) lovely phone, shame its Vodafone branded though.
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
Yeah, but at least it isn't too bad :)

I love the feel of the phone, feels amazing compared to even the Desire HD!

Love it :D I can live with the Vodafone branding for now. It isn't too obtrusive.
[HTC Sensation] Acei:
Thanks. :D

How do people "see" number of CPUs in a particular app?

The version of Android shipped with Sensation is compiled with SMP flag turned on (as it should be with all dual-core devices). With this, if the phone is executing more than one thread, they will execute them in parallel. Smartbench 2011 produces 4 symmetrical threads for all of its CPU tests (hence it is friendly up to 4-cores). I'm not sure what it means by "showing 1 cpu listed in smartbench".

EDIT: Here's an article that explains the SMP flag on Android platforms.
[HTC Sensation] kdahri:
There is a generic uk rom in development section.

I think with gold card method we can flash it safely and delete Vodafone stuff.
[HTC Sensation] charnsingh_online:
I think its the HTC stuff here due to which 2 cores are not being detected. Like for Xoom, Atrix, GS II in quadrant system info the number of cores are 2 and for HTC Sensation ( the one i saw) has only 1 :/
[HTC Sensation] umd:
How much free ram do you guys have after first boot and killed apps respectively?
[HTC Sensation] :
Thing is just a theory I would test this myself when I get a sensation. Unlike tergra 2 and the sg2 processor don't remember the name these cores can run at separate cpu clocks and voltages. We don't know how these processors are programmed to work most logical is that what level the task a how much stress will cause it to trigger the second though it doesn't mean it uses the full voltage or clock. Seem as of the second processor is just doing just enough work to relieve stress. On the first. Again this is all theory.
[HTC Sensation] IJS-T:
I'm not good at developing apps, but when it comes to the benchmark and get a good view of how the Sensation holds up to the SGSII, what needs to be done is making the benchmark stressing both devices to their actual limit so both phones and both cores are tested??
[HTC Sensation] LadFromWales85:
Mine has come, the phone is all good so far...loving that at standard DPI I can fit as much on the screen (at least vertically) as I could my Desire Z set to 191.

The unibody is awesome, though there is a tiny nick on the inside next to the edge, which can annoyingly be seen when the phone is attached to the case...it looks as though something has got stuck between the screen and case.

Don't know whether to just dab it with a permanent marker, return it, or just buy another battery cover later on...!
[HTC Sensation] ptscon:
Is there any mention of what 3G frequencies this version comes with?

Vodefone website says it has 850 ...HTC site says it does not.
[HTC Sensation] C225:
I think mine is faulty, When ever i try to charge it, it gradually heats up and the led light changes from solid to flashing showing its overheated and also all sound stops like its in silent mode when its not. Then when i remove teh charge cable, the phone reboots itself.
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
is it possible

Hi Acei

Really appreciate your reply as it shows "facts" rather than "assumptions" that everyone has been throwing around

What is the possibility of actually checking your benchmark 2011 to see why the sensation is scoring low. Do you require a sensation to be able to do that or do you just require to check the tests that smartbench 2011 performs

a lot of people here would like to buy a phone (sensation or SGS II evidently) and thus rely on benchmark software to get a rough idea of the phone's performance. So really appreciate your help here :-)

Thanks
[HTC Sensation] eXceed:
take it back mate, don't want to try and fix it when it should be working straight away. Go to a store tomorrow!
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
It sounds like the flux capacitor has gone on it.
[HTC Sensation] PygoShlee:
Yeah, that's true :)

Be better when the development for custom roms start!

And I agree, I've just come from a desire hd and it feels a lot better!
[HTC Sensation] Paten:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqM2lZqivds

Check out the unboxing video in HQ. It shows the specs on the back of the box. The box matches the specs on the HTC website.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Man... Thank you.. after seeing Sensation and SGII the Sensation look way more sleeker looking than SGII. SGII look fat and wide just like Thunderbolt just thinner. Can't wait till June 08 :-)
[HTC Sensation] Acei:
I will look into it. I just need to write couple of scripts to add up different fields and produce average numbers for them.

If I can't find anything from these average numbers stored in the server, I will need the device itself. I'm looking into purchasing this phone soon. I will probably end up with Tegra 2, Exynos and Qualcomm dual-core phones at the end. I like to not just build a benchmark app, but also use them to see if benchmark numbers are realistic. (Or at least that's my excuse to upgrade my phones often :D )
[HTC Sensation] charnsingh_online:
was able to calculate the scores from the datasheet, Smartbench is working good
[HTC Sensation] danog:
Definitely. Always the first thing to go and the hardest to diagnose.

Leaked bootloader would help.
[HTC Sensation] charnsingh_online:
I just digged more into the CPU in QSD8x60 It seems to be the same scorpion cpu that ships in the MT4G. According to my data the exynos CPU is 16% faster than the qsd8x60 at the same clock speed ( 2.5 DMIPS vs 2.1 DMIPS ) being architecturally different as exynos is cortex a9 and the other one is Custom Cortex A8 so the lower score. The Sensation Smartbench productivity score is exactly 2.4x that of a stock mt4g. Other things that are affecting smartbench is the Memory Score, I/O of Sensation is around 0.5x that of GS2 and 2d score is around 0.25 x (lower due to more resolution) of that of GS2 maybe due to the fact GSII has hardware acceleration. In real day use Memory, I/O arent going to be affecting stuff much. The CPU on Exynos is faster, GSII has hardware acceleration and I/O and Memory score on the GSII are much higher. When it comes to graphics at the same resolution they are both on the same speed when on the same resolution but difference comes due to sensations qHD display. So for the performance in day to day life the Sensation isn't gonna be much of a difference over Desire HD or the GSII when executing single threaded apps which are 99% apps on Android market and like with most >1ghz CPU you wont experience lag and for the graphics they are gonna be much much faster and better. The Linpack score which tells you the speed of execution of apps written in Java which most Android apps are it is going to be same as GSII, No difference. When executing Native Apps GSII will be faster but when it comes to Native Apps, Most of the Native Apps are games which depend more on the gpu so here too both are same. When it comes to Multimedia Sensation is faster than GSII as it has a 128bit pipeline but both are capable of decoding/encoding 1080p at 30fps and no one is gonna go beyond that. It will only be different when using anything that is on Neon.

To sum it up

Both Phones are extremely powerful and perform better than each other in different scenarios. They are at a point where the difference are minor when coming to performance. To buy a device it entirely depends on your choice as IMO they are both no.1 at the android device table right now. You wont be disappointed by any of those
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
@charnsingh, Thank you for your unbias straight talk review. Don't tell that to the SamSux fanboy they're gonna go off on you. Hehehe.....to them SamSux is the best plastic crap they ever own.
[HTC Sensation] charnsingh_online:
Also when u look at the content, compatibility, support, issues HTC Sensation is way way way ahead of any samsung phone. Samsung Phones pretty much have hardware issues and about the content good luck finding any good game working on you Galaxy S II. Its gonna remain the same until game devs find it killing their sales which it certainly isnt gonna do seeing the fact the 3-4 million devices wont make any difference when there are more than 100 million more devices that are supported ( PowerVR, Adreno and Tegra Devices) Thats the main reason i am not buying Samsung Galaxy S II as the content isnt there and samsung can't do anything to support it as the GPU doesn't support compression textures. All the OpenGL1.1 games wont really be working that good as the texture compression for GL1.1 it supports doesnt support transparency so no game dev is gonna go all over their game adding hacks to support transparency and most games today are 1.1 and 2.0 games are rare in android market. Moreover Samsung is not paying anyone to promote their GPU. They need to understand it isnt a PowerVR, adreno or Tegra GPU which already has the GPU companies backing behind. They chose a gpu that might be the fastest but is generic, supports minimum stuff and has no company backing it. And i wont be buying a dual core phone until i wanna game as all the apps work flawless on my Nexus One. Dual Core phones are only for the ones who want to game not for the business class who just want to do work on their phone
[HTC Sensation] silverwolf0:
I can see why HTC forums always have dedicated mods. The **** slinging from HTC fanboys are always so blatant. They don't even try to be subtle. Too bad the mod doesn't really care anyway. Clap your hands everybody its yet another ground-level mudfest.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
LMAO, your SamSux thread is worst.. oh by the way this is HTC thread buddy why are you trolling over here?
[HTC Sensation] charnsingh_online:
Samsung - " We Copy Apple. We dont like seeing opinions and facts "
[HTC Sensation] DuoM:
As I understand it the back cover also houses the antennas so don't count on being able to buy another one cheaply.
[HTC Sensation] C225:
Store wouldn't do anything asits an online order, got an exchange set up with the online team but its out of stock so a week at least without it.:(

Oh well back to the iPhone for a week
[HTC Sensation] simacca:
I rung to do the same as I have dust under the screen, but I am not willing to wait, so have decided to stick with Orange. My contract is due to end and I can upgrade.

Will end up being a lot cheaper for me.

Shame though as I do like the Sensation. Hopefully Orange will get it soon.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
The joys of dealing with the online team.

When u get ya fingers burnt once, u learn to stick to ringing them up to place an order. Much less hassle and you get to deal with a person rather than emails.
[HTC Sensation] LadFromWales85:
Yeah I checked on eBay, around 45GBP shipped from Hong Kong. I'll probably stick with it because its so small and can only be seen in the right light. Plus I don't wanna wait a week for stock!

On another issue, it seems as though HTC still only install a single antenna towards the bottom of the phone for cell signal, as holding the phone normally when typing causes me to drop the network in poor signal areas. So I have to hold the phone by the edges with just the tips of my fingers to stay connected in poor signal areas. Was same with Nexus, Desire and Desire Z, though where I am now its holding on slightly better than the former 3 did.

Someone asked if the Sensation has noise cancellation for calls, it'd seem not as its windy here today and my caller could hear it all. My Nexus would cut it out and I'd sound a little metallic to the caller...apparently :)
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
Wow, that was an amusing read.......SGSII does have some game compatibility issues, re the texture compression. But a software fix is on the way. Besides, it's a "lazy dev" thing, not a technical hardware thing.

So basically all that writing was a total waste of your time. :)
[HTC Sensation] havoc99:
Got My SENSATION!!

Hey guys. I ordered my Sensation online and was awaiting stock. So I went into the store and a very friendly CS gave me a new one. Now I just have to cancel my online order.. Hehehe! ... Man! ... This is a gorgeous set!
[HTC Sensation] charnsingh_online:
Its really not a lazy dev thing, Its just that when ur developing a game you want it to its full potential and generic texture compression formats dont allow it without hacks/workarounds and using them puts in more codes and bugs and the end result is a size hungry buggy game so these gpu manufacturers provide there own proprietery half open sourced drivers so that their GPU has good games and these probably work across all gpus with little modifications and it isnt hacky. The current thing people on sgsII forum are working on is getting an overlay in between which is for sure gonna be buggy as hell and they'll try getting all those proprietery texture compression formats loaded in the overlay that would be more like asking for C&D + Bugs. Devs will eventually get to it but not anytime soon. Haven't heard from any top devs who are trying to do that
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
Chainfire one of the best and most respected devs on this site is working on it. if anyone can do it with out bugs its him.

Just remember, if you want to play the best games which are the tegra games, The sensation is also going to need a software fix.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
THIS IS VODAFONE UK ORDERS THREAD

IT ISN'T GS2 COMPARISON,ROM DEVELOPMENT, BENCHMARKING THREAD.

Helllooo? Mcflyyy? *tap,tap,tap*

Sorry getting wound up lol
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Hi all

Ordered mine today. 30 shekels a month, 600 min and 1 GB data and £25 for handset. Bangtidy. Also bought a Patriot 32 GB microSD Class10 from memoryc.com £75. All pretty decent value I reckon.

P.s. told today online orders only 25% fulfilled. Ringing up on or after release date saves alot of hassle.

Xmas day part deux on Tuesday. Bang tidy!
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Got mine today.

First impressions. Wow, first boot mega fast. And the qHD screen, Soo clear.

Second impression. Honestly feel that this is definately THE upgrade from HD2.

Fanboism aside. This makes you buzz on first use. Didn't get that feeling with Galaxy S2. Anyone who loves the S2, enjoy- fair play. But all the b0ll@ck5 about benchmarking, battery, bootloader, as a user is loopey talk and people making decision on what goes on behind the scenes rather than user interface experience, is fooling themselves. Honestly really impressed and got for 2 years. :D
[HTC Sensation] Phil750123:
Just got mine :

Firstly on vodafone -

Very impressed, went into a store , asked about it, o yes we have a couple left, tried to say only had £40 month deals, said didnt want that, guy got it down

to £35 a month on the deal on the web which what i wanted.

Chatted about it and he said the've sold a load (he first brought out a SGII which made me laugh)

Just phoned vodafone csc - activated sim, canceled the insurance that came with it etc.. no fuss, tried a one line to see if i would keep them, said no and he canceled no problem .

So atm vodafone service 10/10 (im a new vodafone customer btw, been on contracts with tmobile, 3 and orange and these my favourite so far.

Phone itself -

Quick note to add it has come unlocked from the vodafone store (always handy)

Only been playing for 30 mins but very nice, feels nice, lovelyyyy screen.

Very impressed worth the upgrade.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Word from wise. Only deal with telephone customer services. Online and shop teams aren't half as efficient.
[HTC Sensation] LadFromWales85:
I'm returning my Sensation as it has rebooted itself a few times and keeps losing signal while my Desire Z on same network sits there with 3-4 bars.

Called 191 and all I got was foreign workers...after being bounced around depts I spoke to someone from the UK who give me the number for the web orders team...called them took about 15 seconds to speak to someone and the call basically went like this:

Me: Hi, I'd like to return a contract phone I received on Friday and cancel

Him: OK, what's your Customer Ref?

M: *reads it out*

H: *reads out my name and I confirm and confirms email address*

Email in inbox seconds later with instructions to return the phone, SIM cancelled immediately for security apparently.

I was all set to pop into Phones4U to get a SGS2 but with the news that HTC are reviewing their bootloader policy I may hold fire for a bit!
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Hmm, Im classed as a high value client and ex business client, I wonder if my calls are routed to a different team. I always get UK team quickly and everything gets sorted quickly. Yeah foreign call centres can be a ballache.