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[Windows Phone 7 General] moonshines:
there is really no need to worry about MS leaving out support for flash on IE9. in mango, ie9 will now support html5. in fact html5 can play flash. to a certain extent, that is. HTML5 video doesn't specify a codec to use, HTML5 browsers support the H.264 codec. some flash videos are encoded in H.264 thus making it possible for IE9(mango) to play them thus making the storage and processing requirements to go up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Again, it has nothing to do with playing videos. It has to do with sites that make Flash an integral part of their UX. Some of the online stores I frequent are useless without Flash support in the browser.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I really dont care about videos.. I rarely watch full videos on a website on a cellphone.. many website use flash to give info.. like streaming NASDAQ ticker.. many of the mobile web based trading applications like for example this one:

http://webtrader.migbank.com/

are as you can see Flash..
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Maybe if we keep repeating enough times people (at least around here) will get the idea. ;)

It's not about videos, it's about Flash-based web content.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I haven't really read into the details of mango but will we be seeing third party browsers like opera/skyfire ? And what us stopping such apps from surfacing now?

Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
The lack of native code support means that these browsers would need to be coded from the ground up using C# instead of reusing their large existing C++ code base. Likely not worth it for such a small market. Wouldn't be surprised if this is also why TomTom and some other major apps haven't made the jump yet aswell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hamzie:
about time the ROM got leaked :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] Portos2008:
In some unexpected news, Qualcomm has announced their new MSM8x60 chipset, a dual core processor supported on the Windows Phone platform along with several others including Android.

At the moment, customers purchasing a high end device have come to expect a 1GHz CPU amongst some of the other usual specifications. Under Qualcomm's new chipset, users purchasing new phones could see those specifications increase with two cores up to 1.5GHz for fasting processing and response. The capabilities of this could therefore out perform other phones such as the iPhone 4 which runs at 1GHz.

While there are no specific phone details released, this does however show that work is being done to raise the bar in the future for the platform which launched less than a year ago. According to WPCentral, the chipset is featured in the new HTC EVO 3D which has the following details:

• Dual Scorpion-cores up to 1.5GHz

• Adreno 220 GPU

• 1080P video and playback

• HDMI mirroring

• Dolby 5.1

• 3D capturing and playback

• 16MP dual-camera support

You can check out further details on Qualcomm's page here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TTRpwnage:
I have been looking around the web and browsing through videos but I am curious in one thing -- why isn't there any news about the development of the Twitter integration in the People Hub ? I can only find one picture which shows the Twitter integration but no videos or whatsoever exploring through this feature ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
They haven't really shown us the demo yet. We will probably see more about it come closer to launch date.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Yeah, there are still a number of demos that have yet to be shown, but my guess is that many of the new features aren't quite ready for prime-time yet. We will definitely be seeing some more demo videos released over the next couple of months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] NotTarts:
Is it worth picking up a current-gen phone, or should I just wait for the new set of phones coming with Mango? I can pick up an unlocked LG Optimus 7 for AUD$299 (incl. postage).
[Windows Phone 7 General] nok_fusion:
wait,it will be better for u ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
have they announced anything for missed toast and push notifications like a Android has with the drag down notification tray that iOS 5 will be using? This really needs to be implemented as one of the new features
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Unfortunately, no. And, we probably won't see it in Mango. If it was already in the plan, I would expect that they would have hyped it up quite a bit by now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lil_dipo@yahoo.com:
^I'm afraid you might be right but lets just hope they have it up their sleeve and somehow include it in the mango up date. we dont know all the features yet so theres still a very slim chance that could be one of them or thats what i hope lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] sbrownla:
HM ... People are starting to get much more heated over this OS. I really hope MS is paying attention. I got a different phone for daily use but my HD7 will stay in a drawer until it is ready to come out and play as a fully-featured smartphone.

This happened with the Zune HD and I was let down when MS ditched it, but I am hoping that they take a different route with WP7. They have a lot more invested in it, and it has insane potential.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sbrownla:
I'd suggest waiting too. I got my HD7 used for USD150 so I had absolutely nothing to lose. No contracts no nothing. If you can get one without contract at a really cheap price, go for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
Aren't live tiles your notifications? I don't think you will ever see a notification tray on Windows Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cyruss89:
Notification Center

http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/1...ce=wpdev.uservoice.com&utm_campaign=ShortUrls

Vote this up ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
The problem is that only works for pinned apps. At a minimum they would need a way to show that apps in the app list have notifications so that we wouldn't miss them for non-pinned apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sdnsilva:
Why is it taking so long to get out of this update?

I can not wait for all these new features and give a light to my HD7, I hope it's soon.

But let a few more doubts:

this new map with turn by turn support the need for connection to download maps? Or the map will be a native of the device, and the satellite will bring your location?

(miss my windows mobile 6.5 with the Igo 8.3)

The installation system files remain restricted to the marketplace? (What makes me discouraged, I confess).

Sorry for my bad English ...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Tks
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
It isn't taking nearly as long as it seems, really ;). But I'd rather wait a bit longer and make sure everything is done right.

As for the new Bing navigation feature, if I understand your question, the maps will not be offline. A network connection will still be required for the navigation system to get maps, so it can work correctly.

I have to say, though, that I am pretty let down by the videos I've watched today of the new navigation system. It seems barely usable, and doesn't even come remotely close to AT&T Navigator (or Turn-By-Turn Navigator). In order to get a voice instruction, you have to tap the screen - and I don't mean once to turn it on, and then it stays on, I mean every time you want a voice instruction. And it really doesn't even give you any clue (not even a beep) that a turn is coming up. All it does is either give you a "correct" beep after you have made a proper turn, or else it tells you (too late) that you went the wrong way. And then you have to tap it AGAIN to get a new route.

That isn't exactly what I would expect out of a system that I want to help me navigate while I'm driving. It looks like there will still be a great market for real T-B-T apps, even post-Mango.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sdnsilva:
Again I say, I miss my TyTN II with igo v8.3 ...:(

The way is to wait for a decent program that has these same features as the mango will not give us assistance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dotcompt:
first post updated with some cool video reviews from wpcentral

wpcentral Review of Windows Phone 7.5 Mango: Part 1

wpcentral Review Windows Phone 7.5 Mango: Part II IE9

wpcentral Review Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" Part III: Bing + Speech

wpcentral Review WP7.5 "Mango" Part IV: Xbox + Zune Player
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Not really impressed by the wpcentral videos. The new OS is still impressive, but the guy clearly wasn't all that familiar with WP7, based on how many mistakes he made, both in describing how things work, and even knowing what is new in Mango versus what is already there (such as the Wallpapers album).
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
More I see from Mango more I think WP7 may be never OS for me.

TBH I even can't understand why don't they allow more background customizations or more colour options. It's just a personal taste but the tile homescreen gets annoying after some time having this primitive look. I think I would be commited more with some missing features. And this messaging hub looks messy TBH. It's much better to have separate FB chat. It may be unpopular view but I rather like Android notification which leads to FB chat.

But they try hard. I am very curious how the sales will go with Nokia.

Especially considering new iOS and Androids right in time when Nokia will launch their first devices. For me Android looks more and more attractive every single day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
agreed on the messaging hub

I don't agree with the android notification on windows phone though. Yeah live tiles get some notifications done, but then with the messaging hub, user still doesn't know whether the current message is coming from facebook, sms, or msn. I wouldn't mind if the messaging hub had its own nokia n9 esque notification system with a swipe to the left to indicate the type of message that was just received if the user is out of the messaging view...

As far as mango, I am really keen on the final development of mango. So far, there is a lot to be happy with in mango in terms of usability and cohesive ux/ui. Something android or apple cannot do properly to save their lives right now. The additions do make it a contender, but only versus apple in a 2011 smartphone race. I would like Apollo to have Microsoft pull ahead. What worries me personally is Android is really secretive about Ice Cream Sandwich; moreso than apple was with iOS5. So the mobile market is going to be a busy one, but due to the ux/ui systemization of windows phone, I won't use apple or android much as a daily driver
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
If IMs were the only type of notifications presented to the user, then that would be great. The fact is, though, that there are numerous uses for toast notifications beyond simple IMs, and no way to see those notifications that you might have missed. Just as a couple of examples, I get toasts from eBay on items that I am watching, bidding on or selling, and I also I get weather alerts. I need a system that will let me view all of the toasts that were displayed but not acknowledged, and currently there is no way to do that on my WP7 phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's what I'm talking about. Current notifications are almost pointless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
The additions will make it more like a contender. But realistically the sales will go nowhere near any other OS. As for functionality, wouldn't say so. Unfortunately iOS still has tons of apps which are not designed for WP7. Office apps, Google services...

Yes, when WP7 Mango will hit the market Android will shoot with a new Android as well as Apple. So it will be a hard time again. Nokia leaks are not looking encouraging for me....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Its funny, because even with the newest gingerbread, I still get force closes, freezing, and random reboots. Way to go Android. WP7 FTW.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Really? Sorry for you than. I have quite opposite experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
I'm so sick of hitting "kill all" all the time. I can't stand Android anymore. I love rooting and putting custom ROMs on it though...
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
ios is funny

a jailbreak to update appearance or something leads to the device slowing down like crazy and running as laggy as an android device

android is funny

you have custom roms a plenty and still don't have fluidity like ios. And the only rom that does, miui is knocked as an ios clone...then the lack of hardware gpu acceleration and you get a finger friendly (and almost the same) experience as windows mobile 6.5!

it's hilarious! Heck I ditched the old school stuff ages ago. And while Mango has its limitations, it could oh so much worse...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
The only thing holding back WP7 right now is the apps, while there are some good ones out for it the majority is nowhere near the quality of iOS apps. Android apps are mediocre as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Hehe, but which ones? There are hundreds of thousands there.

And all I found on Android works usually better there than on WP7. Unfortunately. And there are some really good ones for Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's absolutely fine. However I have no idea what are you talking about really.

I mean Android now works perfect without any app managing and killing anything.

I'm rather sick of OS which doesn't even show me Marketplace apps updates after few hours of beeing connected to network. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Sick like people in these forums are sick of hearing your anti-WP7 propaganda ? We know you hate the WP7, its your prerogative to do so, but filling these forums with such crap just shows a deep need of attention.

As you can see by my signature, I also do have an Android, but you don't see me going to the Android forums bashing the OS around... that it crashes, it lags, apps have virus, bla bla bla, whine whine whine. I have my WP7 phone and it serves my purposes and I'm just happy to have so many choices smartphone wise, whatever those may be.

Be a bigger man and move on... go outside, get some sun, take that Android of yours and go take some pictures of ducks !
[Windows Phone 7 General] lil_dipo@yahoo.com:
I do not mean this as a personal attack on you doministry but could you answer this question? i know you have used or own a wp7 device but it is pretty obvious that you prefer android and il even go as far as you think it is perfect for your needs,but you keep coming back to the wp7 forums and keep posting your hatred for the os or what it seems like to majority of us here.

i have owned an hd2 for a good year or so and i flashed roms(android and windows mobile) till i got tired of it and i got an inspire 4g for a while used it for a month or so without rooting it and i still got the occasional lag or force close with it,it didnt really suit me so i got a samsung focus and i like many others here are happy with it, even tho we know the shortcomings of the os and its limitations.i guess to get to the point since i got my wp7 device i have left the other forums and i dont just hang around there bashing the limits of the hd2 in the hd2 forums or go around every thread in the inspire 4g and say it lags or is not as smooth as wp7. i still have my inspire 4g and my hd2 and i very rarely even go to those threads anymore because i have little or no interest in those platforms anymore and if i do go there and i post what the os lacks,i would do it in a constructive manner.

its seems like you use the se experia arc is the perfect phone for you and thats your daily device so why do you keep bashing wp7. from what i gather, you almost want it to be similar to android? but we all know and have known from the start its going to be more like ios not so much android.

again i'm not trying to come at you or attack you so pls dont take it the wrong way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
There is nothing wrong with liking Android or any other OS. I just really need a change after having android since 1.5 lol. WP7 seems to be a good alternative, especially with Mango. I've watched 5-7 videos of Mango and that's the only type I'd buy for WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
I agree... nothing wrong with it. And we should be grateful for having so many great choices at our disposal. We could just get by even better without all the negativity, OS bashing and fanboying.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
But what is your problem? Why do YOU visit forums? For what? I use two platforms and judge both because the forum is for that.

And what is "crap" in your opinion? It's so funny you tell me about my "hate" when I just point a missing thing you refuse to acknowledge. The device DOESN'T show the apps updates however there are about 20 of them I know about. WP7 has a problem with it and it's a fact. What "hate" has to do with it?

Now when I really have both OSes in front of me I can make judgements based on usage. I bet there are users who like comparisons.

In fact it's the only forum users just don't acknowledge problems and keep telling others they "hate". A problem of confidence?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knochen1981:
Its a difference if you say, hopefully mango fixes wp7 issue with marketplace app updates not showing as soon as they are available or android does a way better job than this crappy os (btw on my SGSII theres a delay for app updates showing 2).

Every post from you is a bashpost.

And BTW most users come here to discuss and of course critisize not bash other OS platforms.

Mango will fix most issues, but you are still complaining before its even out.

There maybe be some other issues when mango arrives but no os will ever be perfect.

Even your Android has lots of issues. Complicated menu structure, no homogen interface, lag while scrolling (even the SII stutters on homecreen with widgets running and pinch to zoom has a short delay) and and and.

But guess what, i dont visit Android forums everyday and spread my complaints about android.

Critic is ok but save us from your hateposts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Great. But first, look at the topic which refers to Android.

Make a thread about WP7 on Android forum, I'd be happy to discuss.

And here we go again. Mango WILL BE OUT in months. Devices are in use NOW.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knochen1981:
The Topic says they are getting boring not they are bad and if you read further the Topic is about Mango.

It doesnt matter if Devices are in use now cause the Topic is about the future of WP7.

No i will not create a Topic cause i came here to inform and discuss about wp7 not bash any other os.

One question though: Why you spread your anger and hate about WP7 ? You have an Android and it seems your happy with it. Are you missing something that WP7 has that Android doesnt offer ?? If not why come back and bash.

Youre not satisfied (ive read it more than once from you), there are so many complaint threads, wich dont have mango as topic and handle the now. But you visit nearly every WP7 thread and tell everyone how ****ty WP7 is. Cloud is ****, No file explorer is ****, no task manager is **** and and and. You now know the direction where wp7 is going and it will never be like android. Everyone knows it.

There will be cloud sync instead of offline sync (i prefer cloud) and they will not give you the option. So simply stick with Android cause even if you add another 500 hateposts about not having the Option to do this and do that, MS will not not change it. And there are enough people that like WP7 as its is now (like me though the Hardware gets bit old thats why i have a SGSII but for me WP7 is way more fun to use than TouchWiz or any other launcher out there. but i have never complained in Android forums about it. Guess why cause i accept it and i know some people like the usability of androids theme/launchers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I wouldn't be so sure MS is not changing things according to market and response. Actually if it would be the fact and WP7 would be so good from the beginning as many users stated here, they wouldn't bother adding things like c&p or multitasking most "normal" users don't even know about.

Topic is about how boring other OSes are compared to WP7 with Mango on the horizon. So it's not only discussion about upcoming features but also about subjective feeling. And yes I think with current concept MS is wrong in many ways. Only time will tell if they are really right. The fact is they had to push Nokia marriage to boost things up, all other - big - manufacturers apparently couldn't make it really.

I'm here because I still observe WP7 development and situation beeing also MS user (both phones and PC) and loved their solutions. I still have my WP7 phone to test it and see how it manages tasks. Windows 7 is a great OS. And these things are related just because MS wants to translate some WP7 ideas to future tablet OS. So in fact beeing MS products user I will be "affected" by some things in the future anyway even I will continue using Android as main mobile OS. As I don't plan to buy Mac neither use Google's Chrome OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knochen1981:
Adding C&P or multitasking are features that go with their design decisions.

File Explorer will never come, task manager will come for 3rd party apps (but never will allow you to view system tasks running), ms only offers cloud and with mango it will not change. Hell they even lock the system even more down due the sideloading interop restriction (bye bye for all homebrew filexplorers available right now) They will try to establish a closed system like the 360.

Android works well with Windows. But boring is meant in case of usability. Featurewise there is no boring. Maybe they heading the wrong direction, maybe not. But thats speculating not discussing.

As for the tablet os. We dont know anything about the way ms wants to go with tablets. so speculating again. the new ui design of windows 8 is similar to wp7 but the apps are written totally different. we dont know if tablets offer a full windows 8 desktopn underneath the touch ui.

If i look back at their console debut there was a similar situation.

2 big competitors and ms started from scratch. First try was a desaster and lead to a new try. Same concept but more refined. I see similaritys to the wp7 situation. first version has been a desaster (sales and review wise), second version mango (got better reviews, sales we dont know). ms is a long term company with the money to handle desasters.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
it does...shsx.dll controls the new start menu interface in windows 8 and current builds indicate this...

the tablet direction microsoft seems to focus on is based on touch control versus touch centric ui as the other platforms...

remember microsoft, while seeing some negativity in the tablet market since ipad, still has a large dominance for business users, and they make a very big number...

and if you note the tablet purchases, ipad still remains dominant while honeycomb has fizzled quite a bit despite the several offering by honeycomb.

Steering back on the wp7 topic, as I said before ios is pretty bad. Android is slow; yeah all oses are relatively slow when running intense programs, but if you're having an issue with a phone by turning it on, there is something wrong. Before its too late, android needs to take a cold look at windows mobile history
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Silverlight Apps in Windows 7

Hi all

I have just discovered Sliverlight Apps in Windows 7 (Desktop OS) and you can see that they are more like WP7 Apps than native windows applications. I think that this is the direction of travel for Microsoft. I think that their whole drive is to have a set of applications and services that can be accessed from either an XBox, PC/Tablet or WP7 device that are fun and interesting to use for consumers, whilst maintaining their business users through other procducts and services, e.g. Office and Exchange that run on the existing type of OS.

I think that MS's strategy is exactly the title of this thread, to make other systems and services look old and boring, but I think that this will apply to all of their "consumer" products, not just WP7.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking