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[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I'd agree with that assessment actually considering the direction windows 8 has taken with an emphasis on immersive UI even in the alpha leaks
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Everyone is taking that route actually. Well the major players are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
Turn off your WIFI when on the go! It helps tremendously.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
I know HTC batteries suck. Not real sure about LG or Samsung. My Dell Venue Pro, despite all the reported issues (of which I have few) gets pretty good battery life. Keeping wifi off or most of the day, I pull it off the charger at around 10am in the morning or so and it doesn't go back on till maybe 1am or 2am the next morning.

I do the normal stuff with it, talk, text, light gaming, stream video, search marketplace, surf web, etc. The DVP does have a 1500 milliamp battery. So, that helps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
We don't know much yet, but if I had to guess, I would say that the first item will probably be addressed by Mango, but not the other two. It seems clear to me that Microsoft's vision is for cloud-based syncing, not Zune or Outlook. The coming enhancements for Office 365 and SkyDrive are a pretty good indicator of that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] wade_link:
Pleased....

I think the Mango update is great, though they should have had it originally. 6.5 could do most of it.

Things they should add:

Skype video (though needs the hardware for it, front camera)

WiFi router (I miss this one)

A cloud music / video player for skydrive

can't wait. I think when it is released, I will finally buy an actual WP7 phone instead of using my HD2/7. (thank you DFT!) Though it needs to have a front camera with skype.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
@ms79723

Yeah I've heard really good things about it, and I fell for the OS the minute I picked my friends phone up. And mango should be coming for all devices, but after having a Google phone (before root), updates never seemed to be on time, or even come at all. This would be the only thing stopping me from buying WP7 in August. But I do plan on jumping ship to a beautiful WP7 lol.

Thanks for the information, its good to have a personal opinion on the phone. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Schismal:
Add unified inbox to the feature list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
And I'm not sure what it means, but there are also larger images in the People tile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Okay. That means bad news for me. What a stupid decision.

Anyway does anybody know if Outlook will have any dropbox integration?
[Windows Phone 7 General] creamhackered:
Thanks for posting this here.

You guys might be interested in the video roundup of all the features:

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-mango-feature-list-and-demos/
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Well, bear in mind that this is only my interpretation of things, based on details we do know, and past design decisions by Microsoft. I could be entirely wrong.

As far as it being a stupid decision, I have mixed feelings. I can see the value in offering Outlook sync on the desktop. But on the other hand, since migrating to WP7 and moving my contacts, calendar and email completely into the cloud, I can say that I haven't had any problems at all.

I don't know about dropbox, but I think there is already integration (on some level) with Live/Hotmail, and I wouldn't be surprised to see integration with SkyDrive and/or Office 365.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Unified Inbox means that if you have more than 1 email account you can link them together and view all emails on the same screen instead of having to, for example, go to Hotmail and then go to Gmail in your app list.

Is there any new news about Zune?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yeah but SkyDrive is accessible only on MS products and DropBox is a crossplatform solution accessible on other OSes. So that may be the only choice.

I was asking because one of the reasons I dropped WP7 was lack of any sensible Outlook/Zune/Bluetooth sync of files and data. The must of using cloud is unacceptable for me in my usage patterns. Thanks for replies.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Is there another OS that does local activesync of Outlook besides WinMo? I too loved this feature in my HTC WinMo phones and was bummed that you could not do it in WP7. Can you do this in Android like WinMo did?
[Windows Phone 7 General] janemanno1:
Will this Mango update bring OFFLINE Outlook sync without using cloud or exchange? Come on Microsoft!
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
Is it just me or did WP7 just joined the game and is practically on-par with the best smartphone OS already? How many years have WP7 been around now? And its competition?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I am telling I LOL at the Iphone users.. and one of my friend just bought an Iphone like 4 months back.. I feel bad for him.. he regrets his decision so much now after seeing my phone and gaming and other features in this phone. If Microsoft releases this Mango update this summer.. than that dosent even stand for us being 'patient' or anything at all.. Microsoft really delivered this time big.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
No, I fully understand Unified Inboxes. What I am puzzling over is the larger contact images showing in the People tile. They must be tied to one of the other new features (groups, maybe?), but I can't figure out which one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well Android does and Symbian too AFAIK.

It's necessary IMO.......
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well do you think so?

We still talk about things which WILL come, they are not here yet.

Just wait with judgement until the Mango actually will be implemented on devices.

Still a long time to wait.

Personally WP7 is very far from competing with Android but that's just me probably.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
those clamoring for Outlook sync might want to see this post

It seems PalladiumTD is looking to make an ActiveSync type outlook sync for WP7.

Post Outlook interest there, or PM PalladiumTD directly.

Let's keep this post about what the mango update IS bringing :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ekashic:
i just care when MICROSOFT post the update
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i dont think MS will allow the local sync of outlook, as they are moving to cloud already, office 365, and the skydrive also have word, excel, power point, one note...

Mango will bring along the skydrive integration to WP7 and thats cool... my 25gb cloud thumb drive will work for me...

next year there will be lots of new devices to chose from running mango on it so i cant wait for that..
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I think cloud is great when you need it.

But as the only choice it's ridiculous.

I like how they think of supporting cloud on default.

But as for any more serious usage it's a handicap.

I mean for any more serious user: you really imagine if somebody wants to have let's say 30 docs on the device first you have to UPLOAD them to the server and than DOWNLOAD them?

Is that convinient? I still think it's ridiculous.

And Hotmail is totally limited in terms of beeing the cloud service and the only one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dotcompt:
added to the first post.

thanks
[Windows Phone 7 General] dotcompt:
Feature list updated

First post updated with more features
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
You could always use Windows Live Sync (or Mesh, or whatever they call it nowadays) to sync your documents to skydrive, so any changes you make are automatically uploaded and available on all of your devices. That actually seems a lot cleaner than manually dragging and dropping files, especially if the documents are changing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
You got it exactly right. That's what cloud computing is all about. It's not about changing a document, saving it to your harddrive, upload it manually and then download it manually again to any device you need it on. This all happens automatically. You don't even need to think about it. Even though cloud computing still has some downsides, it's the inevitable future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Schismal:
Exactly. I have a OneNote document pinned to my start screen called "grocery list." To edit it, I open OneNote on my computer, add a few items to the list, and close it. Then I grab my phone, keys, and wallet as I'm heading out the door. One push of the "sync" button in my grocery list, and all the changes are on my phone before I even reach my car. So clean and simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
You guys need yo stop talking about all of this cool ****.. It is making me want a WP7 even more lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crav4speed:
Yes, you mean like having all your information and important documents stored on someone else's servers?

I can't wait for Mango to be released as this will finally put WP7 at or very near the top, but all this cloud computing nonsense is really unnecessary. I accidentally synced my phone with windows live and I absolutely hated the fact that all my clients information was stored "in the cloud" on Microsoft's servers.

With home and business servers getting cheaper, whats the point? Unless you really enjoy giving your information to Microsoft and Google...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
The point of cloud computing is, that you don't have to care setting up services that support the direct synchronization of your files, you don't have to manually up- and download anything. It's up to you whether you store very personal information on foreign servers or not. Not everybody wants to spend money on an own server. Not to mention that the majority of smartphone users won't even be able to set one up correctly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Having a server is the easy part of data management. What is your plan to prevent loss of data? How about availability? This is obviously more costly and far out of the range of the average user, assuming they actually value the data.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
See below.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
To solve the privacy problem microsoft is bringing some law in Mango update, "Information Rights Management"... which would solve the problem..

I love how it automatically syncs all my appointmenst and contacts with google .. now i have all numbers and dates with me all the time on the go.. so sometime when my battery is dead and i dont have my laptop i can just go online on any comp and get the number i want..

i love cloud and would be disappointing if they go back to old outlook manual sync, which looks like a telegram technology now.. they also introducing BBM style private messaging with complete privacy of information, "Lync Messaging Client".. i dont understand how can one not see the benefit of cloud over the cumbersome and unreliable glitchy of outlook syncing which we had to plug in and out 10 times to resolve conflicts and always were busy on problem solving more than actual productivity..
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
It's not separate, just restricted to 5gb. Still bigger than Dropbox tbh.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
And all those people crying about privacy, what is more private? Your emails and private conversation on those emails? or some phone number of a person you know? or a date and time stating you have to visit your dentist?

When you can trust Gmail with your emails and all the information it has on those emails... I dont know why they are so paranoid about storing their contacts and appoinstments online? I think email are more sensitive but still we trust gmail and store them their, right?

As long as we have laws in place like the upcoming Information Rights Management, their is absolutely nothing to worry about, you cannot carry and store all your data offline on a hard drive all the time, its like buying an orange and keeping it in a drawer right next to you thinking and getting paranoid the fridge will see it and might use it.. world moves ahead with new and better technology and cloud is definitely on of them.. getting hung up on outlook syncing or crying out lout about privacy issue, than first delete all your email accounts and start saving your emails in print format I guess..
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
You are right, guess I missed that. It was always one of the original complaints when live mesh was renamed to live sync, eithr its been there all along or its new. Lets hope MS allows access to that somehow from WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Hopefully they'll extend it to the entire amount soon, 25gb. Not sure why they decided to limit syncing to 5gb I guess it takes too much bandwidth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
One reason for them being cautious about all this SkyDrive business is probably their huge userbase. If they make it too easy/attractive/integrated into Windows that would require an infrastructure of epic proportions. They'll have to do it sooner or later, but that's no easy engineering feat I guess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Mhm this is what I was thinking. The promise of "25gb" (By the looks of it it's actually 30gb, 25gb + 5gb Synced) is a marketing positive, to try and get people to switch from things like Dropbox which only offer 2gb for free. In reality the majority of people aren't even going to come close to 1gb when they have to manually upload files.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It's not just about storage. If tens or hundreds of millions of Windows users start syncing files to Microsoft servers every time they change or add something, the amount of traffic will be huge, to put it mildly. And it's worth noting that syncing is pure cost for Microsoft, they can't even show you ads when you sync stuff.

It's one thing to say you're "all in", and another to actually face the costs and roll out the servers, datacenters, pipes etc. Even Google with their immense infrastructure all around the world isn't in a hurry to offer cloud storage with syncing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dotcompt:
Improved Bluetooth support coming to Windows Phone 7 too - Source WMPoweruser
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
they need to just make a usb mass storage mode with the mango update and provide a file explorer at least just for storage card space. and let u download files through the browser like mp3s rar files and zip files and manage them and update the zune library with those new files through that file explorer....those few things and imhappy because the mango update seems to fix all my other concerns
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Better cloud synchronisation

Hi all

I disagree with this statement. Rather than a USB storage mode, I would prefer to see a much better integration with Windows Live Skydrive, so that you can sync up folders on your PC (up to the full 25GB) and then that automatically (or manually for those who wany to avoid a data bill) syncs up to your phone, including all file types.

I think that some of what is going to make WP7 better is an update of the server based services, such as Windows Live Mail. If you could flag emails in WLM just like you can on an exchange server, and then have full support for that on a WP7 phone, there would be a significant improvement in user experience, in my view.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
In reverse I totally disagree.

As a choice SkyDrive integration is great.

But there is no reason why the fuk I am forced to upload on the cloud whatever I want to use on my phone. This is one more extra step needed instead of something simple. Plus there is simply no reason why I can transfer pics by cable but docs NOT. This is debilic to disable this.

Completely senseless.

There are many situations also when beeing dependent on internet is total pain in the ass. What if it fails? What if you're abroad when you're not a millionaire? You're screwed.

Why force people to use it to transfer simple things. It's NOT a solution replacing normal usb/bluetooth transfer. It's only extra. It was total pain on WP7 and typical solution of usb/bluetooth transfer with the OPTION to use cloud like Dropbox is 1000 times more convinient.

Plus lack of file explorer has more disadvantages.

Pdf - screwed. You're not able to do ANYTHING with your Pdfs on your device. To send it you have to keep all the emails with Pdfs. Totally idiotic.

Ranaming photo - forget it. Even if somebody sends you or you download a photo with stupidest or impractical names, you're screwed.

Not to mention WP7 refuses to see some attachements.

Changing names or the structure of photo folders - forget it. Once it's set it's done.

So in the end file explorer it's necessary here. Otherwise WP7 will stay dumb in this regard.

I absolutely don't believe most of users will move totally to the cloud anytime soon.

And definitely not as the main or the only solution.

For such user as me lack of these things will be a decisive stopper from using WP7.

There is a limit of uncompetence one can accept.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
Mass storage...eh.

File explorer...eh.

After using WP7, I have no use for either. My opinion, but I don't those two "features" are going to dampen how good WP7 is and will be. I really wouldn't want a file explorer on WP7 (even though with the Metro design guidelines I can see it easily implemented). I do agree with having a choise of syncing with the cloud option (like pictures, how they are automatically uploaded) but I think simple office files can be uploaded since it's rare to have a large office file (depending on your orginization).

**** it. I just don't think they are necessary.
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
iPhone doesn't have a file explorer. No one cares about file explorer. That's one of the reasons why WM6.5 failed. It tried to to do everything but ended up doing nothing well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
File explorers offer applications being stored on the SD card, and sideloading apps. I would love to see that on WP7. Main reason I love my android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
Most current WP7 models are 8GB models, which I think is too less as I have already ate 8GB space on my current 16GB Omnia, but I dont think I would ever need more than 16 GB, because the initial 8GB filling was all the music I wanted on my phone, I dont have much more need for memory anymore and the current free 8GB on my phone would go a long way for me with me having not to worry about memory.

Skydrive has 25GB space, which is almost double the size of my phone memory? Now do I really need more than 25GB from skydrive? What will I store there? double back all my music files? which are already backup up on my PC, or store duplicate pics which i already have on facebook and dont really need on skydrive.. or will i store 25GB worth of MS word docs???

the size of my gmail account has lesser memory that skydrive.. and i feel no need for more memory... first fill up 25GB of skydrive space with files from your phone (which would be 3 times of your phone total memory if you have 8GB model) and see how many days/months/years it takes you to use that mamoth 25GB memory size and than complain.. people see it as a number, but 25GB is a lot of memory and noone will need more than that if they just occasionally clean unnecassry files from skydrive which are no longer relevant or are already their somewhere else, like FB for pics, hard drive for files and stuff...

Skydrive and cloud based syncing is a better technology, way better than physical USB syncing.. because it gives access to everything from everywhere.. and everything is automated and instantaneous..
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I don't know but you guys just totally fail on having at least a little bit of imagination.

You keep repeating how great is cloud but nobody argues that - it's often great indeed.

The problem is there's no other choice and it's often totally inconvinient and problematic and makes the device more dumb. Why not to have a fckn choice. a normal thing in life. But I guess I talk to guys who never really used office in their lifes so they don't see any point of these things.

And about WP7 - you can't judge what people care or don't care about because WP7 has almost no sales compared to every other OS. And yes people do care about these things. That's why they choose Android over iPhone.

I'm disappointed. I was hoping that maybe after Mango I would have the reason to join WP7 on daily basis again, and even look for SonyEricsson eventual device,

but it slowly appears it won't be the case.

For the last 2 months while having android I didn't have a single reason to sync in the cloud anything besides usual Contacts and Calendar but used bluetooth/cable hundreds of times.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Sorry but the vast majority of users don't copy files over to their phones on Android and IOS - people who come to XDA are in the minority..

Personally I wish you could so this but it will have negligible effect on WP sales -

Also do you have to swear in your posts?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You must be joking. That's not true. People DO copy files from/to the devices via PC/Mac. Photos, videos, music etc. That's a normal thing to do. Everybody does that.

Apple at least does ALL the transfer via iTunes incl. Calendar and Office files.

You could also say most of people don't copy&paste but MS provided this saying "we listen to customers" with a big bang. So for who? For xda members? You could also say almost nobody uses Office on the device but MS is advertising WP7 as the only OS with Office built in. For who? For xda? Your answers don't have much sense in this context.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I think maybe if we can create a Folder on our desktop which automatically syncs with Skydrive every time the content of that folder is changed and than Skydrive would autosync it with our phone, that would solve everyone's problem..
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
But WHY TO SYNC things online. I don't need them there. I need them on the phone.

It will not resolve anything. Plus - Skydrive is accessible only on MS products right?

The best is crossplatform solution like Dropbox.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Oops ignore me I was having a brain fart thinking mail\sync.. not docs\files..
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Out of curiosity, what is it that makes syncing online bad for you? Are you worried about privacy/security? I think online is a great solution for personal documents but I can definitely see how it could be a problem for business use though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
The only downside to online syncing is perhaps not everyone has a data connection or access to internet over Wifi.. thats why some wants offline syncing, but I am sure that number is very few ..
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I would suspect that is probably the main reason, and I also think the number of people in that group is small, and shrinking more each year.

I'm sure that for those who want offline syncing, that doesn't relieve their frustration, but unfortunately I don't see things moving back in the offline direction in the future. If anything, the cloud emphasis is only going to get stronger.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I like the whole cloud thing. It is going to be the future when we can get the internet anywhere, anytime, in an country and at full speed. But we dont :)

What he's saying is what if he's abroad, or downstairs in an office block with no signal, or even he has a 24Mb PowerPoint he wants to review? I don't know about you but it would take the vast majority of people a long time to upload that 24Mb file. And that's assuming they do have the time, and that their connection doesn't crap out. And 24Mb download over a slow GPRS is no small file either!

BUT, 24Mb over a USB wherever and whenever is easy.

I don't like the file explorer idea either. That's a regressive tool. What we need is a place on all WP7 devices where we can drop PDFs and the default application can read them. We don't need to know where that is, we just need to know we can then open it in our PDF application. Just the same as pictures and music.

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