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[Milestone 2 General] JackStoreytime:
I understand -.-

Motorola are really bad when it comes to customer service outside of America. Me and 2 of my friends have the Milestone 2 (I only got one because I couldn't be bothered waiting for a LGO2X and they physical keyboard) and they aren't happy either. I know people with Gingerbread on their phones and they can install ROMs as they pick and choose; Motorola are just trying to cut corners tbh and their excuses don't work. Probably 80% of the MS2s were released SIM Unlocked so to say 'depends on carrier' is pathetic. Talk about negligence
[Milestone 2 General] RDUKE7777777:
I get your point regarding the law.

But no court in Europe or elswhere could get Moto to unlock their bootloader. Maybe you could get your money back, but who really wants to go to the court for this...?
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
I don't know if it's just me, but I read out of it that there actually IS unlocking. I mean they said regarding unlocking bootloaders: this feature will be enabled in future software releases (later in 2011). That's a good thing isn't it.

Have you got the link to the conversation?
[Milestone 2 General] RDUKE7777777:
....only if the carriers agree. which seems like a backdoor for doing something to me.....
[Milestone 2 General] DeadSix17:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150245095025499.367729.121867580498

http://i.imgur.com/ahTVV.png
[Milestone 2 General] oTToToTenTanz:
I meant the original one on Facebook :D
[Milestone 2 General] DeadSix17:
Read carefully... its the first link
[Milestone 2 General] WongJames:
I wonder the bootloader unlock issue is applying to which regions? Is it for all moto device around the world?

My milestone 2 is bought without any carriers, but the support of moto in Asia is much poorer than in Europe. Imagine at late 2011, moto bullshiting to Asian users that our devices "cannot" be unlocked, or simply ignore us =.=
[Milestone 2 General] dangpzanco:
You can always flash a foreing recovery/SBF.

Sent from my Milestone 2 XDA App
[Milestone 2 General] WongJames:
It depends on how moto would unlock our device.

Like sony ericsson, they offer bootloader unlock service that need to register the phone (IMEI I think), so that the phone will loss warranty.

Flashing a foreign sbf would not change the IMEI code, so if moto restrict the unlocking region.......:(

Let's see how it goes then xd
[Milestone 2 General] Liori:
what takes them so long?

sony ericsson used a month from announcing to unlock the bootloaders to actually provide the service.
[Milestone 2 General] DeadSix17:
If the Function that checks the signatures is gone, we can do what we want.. no matter what they do.. we could put every Android OS on it..... even other operating systems.. thats not the problem.. also they should use the Nexus way.. a button in the bootloader to unlock it.. if you unlock it, it will show some text everytime you turn on the phone wich says "You lost your warranty by turning off the bootloader-lock" wich would be fine.. who cares if you want CM7 .. unlock it and loose your warranty.. its your own choose.. like on the Nexus.. and i would definately unlock it in the first second i got the Update lol
[Milestone 2 General] mischalewf:
Nowadays, even Apple have their *ancient* versions of Mac OS to download in the institutional website - developers can download those 4MB ROMs and emulate it anywhere... Even I did it in my Nintendo DS once.

OK. That was a terrible, extreme and pessimist example... But, maybe one year after the ML2 went out of the stores ~ Motorola might play "cool" and release an unlockABLE bootloader.

aw yeah... that would be great - if only all of us were not with some brand-new "free to fly with CM and whatever" smartphones then (sometimes life teaches you the lessons the harder way). =/

well... at least in a far far away future our mothers may have their herited Milestones 2 with an awsome Custom ROM. \o/
[Xoom General] slack04:
Can anyone confirm that changing the date actually forces a check? Though the idea has been tossed around here like truth for a couple of days, I have seen only one post where someone said it works. Everyone else has said something along the lines of: I came home and it was up.

Everyone knows that if you set the clock forward, it says that the system was checked under system updates. Sorry, but that's not proof that it checks. That's proof that update check clock changes. I am asking if anyone has proof that changing the clock date actually forces a check. Proof would be either:

1) Someone has had the update actually happen immediately after changing the clock; or

2) There's evidence of internet activity consistent with checking for an update.

Can someone who's gotten the update explain what it looks like? When you turned it on, did it come up right after the animation? If you did the date trick, did you click "set" and it popped up immediately on screen? I am starting to think that the date change thing is only slowing this down; it just resets the clock for the update, it doesn't actually force the check.

Anyone have any other ideas? I am supposed to be studying for a final which is certainly why I'm obsessing about this, but I really can't help it. Anything to take my mind off studying for that horrible class. This final is going to kill me. (Then again, it's the last one I will EVER take!!!)
[Xoom General] Coldheat1906:
No it hasn't worked for me.
[Xoom General] slack04:
Thanks. It hasn't worked for many people. I'm curious if anyone knows if it CAN work, or if it's just a myth.
[Xoom General] Brenardo:
the update will appear as a notification on the lower right hand of your Xoom kin a like a notification like you are downloading something from the market.
[Xoom General] laredo7mm:
On my Wifi only Xoom it forces a check.

For example;

1. My Xoom says it last checked for an update at 1:10pm and it is now 6:10pm on the same day

2. I change the date to one day in advance

3. I go to sytem updates and it says it last checked at 6:10pm

So it did force a check.

Whether or not an update is available for your Xoom is a different story.

The date change will force a check but not force the actual update.
[Xoom General] slack04:
Sorry, but that's not proof that it checks. That's proof that update check clock changes. I thought that was clear in my first post. I am asking if anyone has proof that changing the clock date actually forces a check. Proof would be either:

1) Someone has had the update actually happen immediately after changing the clock; or

2) There's evidence of internet activity consistent with checking for an update.
[Xoom General] vizir:
you can force an update check using these steps:

1. hold power+volup, the xoom will reboot

2. after reboot go to system settings and check for updates
[Xoom General] ruinah:
doin this hasn't worked for me at all. Tried several times even with reboots. Yes the time changes but doesn't mean it really did anything. Frustrated the Wifi users are rolling today and here I sit with 3G and nothing still.
[Xoom General] nubsors:
Yesterday I re-imaged my xoom to stock but realized too late that I was using 3.0 instead of 3.0.1. I went in and changed the date and set it back to automatic. My Xoom immediately started downloading the 3.0.1 patch. That is about as much proof as I can provide.
[Xoom General] El Daddy:
Yes it does force a check

This is what shows up in the logcat after changing the date:

D/SystemClock( 8596): Setting time of day to sec=1307904965

D/SystemClock( 133): Setting time of day to sec=1305226357

D/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Received Weather refresh Intent

E/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Acquiring new WakeLock on an existing notheld instance

D/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Service for Weather started

V/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Service AccuWeather onStart()

D/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Service AccuWeather Thread started

I/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Provider is network

I/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Requesting location update

I/EventLogService( 247): Aggregate from 1307904746624 (log), 1307904746506 (data)

E/TelephonyManager( 247): Hidden constructor called more than once per process!

E/TelephonyManager( 247): Original: com.google.android.location, new: com.google.android.gsf

I/CheckinService( 247): Preparing to send checkin request

I/EventLogService( 247): Accumulating logs since 1307904965403

D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 867K, 13% free 8280K/9479K, paused 3ms+4ms

I/CheckinTask( 247): Sending checkin request (1486 bytes)

D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 561K, 12% free 8406K/9479K, paused 3ms+3ms

V/AlarmClock( 8642): AlarmInitReceiver finished

D/dalvikvm( 133): GC_CONCURRENT freed 3891K, 29% free 21271K/29639K, paused 4ms+10ms

D/CalendarWidget( 8547): Scheduled next update at [1307941200000] 00:00:00 (+603 mins)

D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 963K, 14% free 8177K/9479K, paused 5ms+7ms

D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 494K, 12% free 8348K/9479K, paused 4ms+3ms

D/dalvikvm( 227): GC_FOR_ALLOC freed 1629K, 3% free 124319K/127879K, paused 77ms

D/dalvikvm( 227): GC_CONCURRENT freed 519K, 3% free 124143K/127879K, paused 2ms+13ms

I/CheckinTask( 247): Checkin success: https://android.clients.google.com/checkin (1 requests sent)

I/CheckinService( 247): From server: Intent { act=android.server.checkin.FOTA_CANCEL }

As you can see I still haven't gotten 3.1 :(
[Xoom General] laredo7mm:
Well, there you have your proof. Now, go study and quit being such a d-bag. I guess you were not clear since you had to go back and edit your post after I submitted my initial response.
[Xoom General] slack04:
Excuse me? Yeah, I edited the post to make my question more clear.

Your post was not useful; in fact it showed that you hadn't really thought through the process before you posted. I wasn't rude to you, I just pointed out the error in your logic, which made me realize that I should go back and clarify my question. Who's the "d-bag" here?
[Xoom General] El Daddy:
Huh? I edited my post to bold the checkin. I skimmed through this thread and thought I would confirm to people it did indeed check in. I'm not trying to show anyone up. Just trying to be helpful.

Wtf?
[Xoom General] slack04:
Thanks dude, you answered the question. He was actually talking to me; I couldn't tell you what his problem is, though. In any case, you've answered the question, so I'm going to go back to clock-changing-update-checking right now! Thank you!
[Xoom General] RadDudeTommy:
well I'm just glad its been proven. And I don't agree with the ops original statement that it would have caused an issue if it didn't actually force a check. Only because I don't feel that changing the date would actually affect anything to do with checking for an update, either way it is checking the same server w/the same access codes.

For example, if someone would have 3.0 and set the date back to the xooms launch day and ran a check for an update would still be updated to 3.01 or if lucky 3.1.

Like the date on your xoom is only for creating time stamps on the xoom.
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
I explained how this works in my post below:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1076295
[Xoom General] slack04:
It's moot at this point, but it was when you wrote your post also. What I was suggesting was that, if it wasn't actually checking by changing the date, then we could be stopping the actual update check from happening by trying, therefore setting us back by 12 hours (about the frequency of the automatic checks) every time we tried to "cheat." Of course, now that it's shown that the check does actually query the server (and that makes very little difference to when you actually get your update) my original guess (not statement) is obviously incorrect.
[Xoom General] kyoteqwik:
+1

Really getting tired of this guy talking down to everyone. Don't know when I have ever see someone as condescending.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
Suppose our entire solar system was contained in a drop of water abiut to get wiped by a windshield wiper? :eek:
[Xoom General] slack04:
That's friendly.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
Do you know what we do with people like this in New York? :eek:
[Xoom General] kyoteqwik:
I'm guessing they go for a swim in the Hudson.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
After they get a new pair of shoes. :o
[Xoom General] kyoteqwik:
I love New York!
[Xoom General] slack04:
Glad to see the trolls are alive and well. Take care all. Sorry if I offended any of you by editing my first post.
[Xoom General] albundy2010:
Once the sd card is supported this will really be a non issue.

The "issue" will be waiting for somebody to pull the update url with logcat to get the update zip. Then it's as simple as renaming it to update.zip,putting on root of sdcard and installing via recovery.
[Xoom General] BiGMERF:
I dodd it late lastnight and it did it for me!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] findsvar:
HI

Since I'm not new here but does not post a lot I cant post this in the developers thread...

Stupid moderators has decided this rule.

Anyway I have installed criskelo gingerbread 5.4 and nothing wehich has to do with any map is working.

Have tried :

fasterfix - not working

Google maps not working

and so on

Is there anyone out there with a solution ?

PS : I cant post in the correct thread so this is my only solution to post
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Rytlock:
I'm not a big fan of Bada, having it for a couple of months now.

I'm hoping 2.0 will be better, but by then can another OS be ported to S8500 with less fuss than Android (e.g. WM7, webOS etc.)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
you are kidding right??

Android which is open source os couldn't be ported until now (god be with you oleg)

so what do you think about closed operating systems like Windows phone 7 or Web os

please people think before posting

if you don't understand what i mean until now

i'd just say no it is not possible or easy task at all
[Bada Software and Hacking General] Rytlock:
Ok, meego then :P
[Bada Software and Hacking General] S3RIOUS_:
forget it man...android is the best thing we can get into our waves and i am not sure meego is any better in every way. I suggest close this thread;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] cfernr:
maybe maemo???
[Bada Software and Hacking General] tom112112:
please learn to read and to think
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
Hold your horses now! He is asking a very valid question. The biggest issue in porting another platform to the S8500 has been the boot loader which is being tackled, once we have a method of booting Android then other OSs especially ones using the Linux kernel (Such as Meego) shouldnt be as big of a task as porting Android is/was.

As for Maemo, Maemo is now Meego so it would be a little stupid to try porting Maemo now wouldn't it
[Bada Software and Hacking General] adfree:
:confused:

You can erase whole OneNAND and make your "own OS".

So you had full Control of your Wave... only JTAG needed.

Bootloader is only 1 problem. All other problems are also BIG enough.

Please. How many handsets you know with more then 1 OS... :rolleyes: :D :p

Most user can only power on or off their handsets...

So Porting OS to different handsets is NEVER easy.

Only posting funny Questions or funny answers are easy. :D

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] cfernr:
[YOUTUBE]vMwlchuqsXo[/YOUTUBE]
[Bada Software and Hacking General] cfernr:
i know boy, but i would like to have meego or ubuntu in my wave :D

only posting that its posible
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
Sigh.... you seem to have gotten lost in translation. I was not claiming that Android was easy to port, I was Saying that once we have android ported other linux based OSs (such as meego) would be much easi*er* (not easy) to port over. Get it right before making statements like that in future. Also i can name quite a few, most of the WinMo 6 devices are able to boot android, the Galaxy S can boot ubuntu and android and meego, the pre can boot android, Web OS and the openmoko OS, the the HD7 can boot android and WP7, the HD2 can boot WP7 android, meego and WinMo 6.5 and the iPhone can boot iX, Android and IOS...... Shall i continue or shall i just take it my point is proven?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] adfree:
Maybe. :)

But easy, easily nor easier can describe any Porting project.

In my opinion:

Heavy, heavier, extreme... :p

According to Thread title...

To many users not understand, how much hard work is in porting OS... :(

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mijoma:
Is there a device that originally was not running Windows Mobile/Phone that got ported to do it?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
As far as i know there was some success with the Desire HD having WP7 ported to it, however the Desire HD and the HD7 (Which is a WP7 device) have identical hardware.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mijoma:
Exactly what I meant. People should be realistic about the technical feasibility of some projects. The other part is community support - looking at how android porting project (being high demand from users) developed from a single man adventure to next-to-single I really doubt than any other OS would ever be ported to Wave. Anyone with belief of having enough tech know-how is welcome to begin and will receive support (from the few actually doing something) after showing good prognosis, but the chances of that ever happening are rather low.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] anghelyi:
I'm with sabianadmin on this topic: if oleg managed to create a fully functional linux kernel then why stop there? As ubuntu has ARM port it will be relatively easy to do that... Of course this will be just another toy to tinker with, but why not?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mijoma:
Almost everything can have an ARM port. However, I don't see anybody interested in doing the work volunteering own time for somebody to have a toy.

May we agree that next person to propose porting should be willing to devote own time rather than saying that someone should be able to do it?
[Bada Software and Hacking General] anghelyi:
Sure :) I feel the bigest issue with porting is always the time: everyone has her/his own life, work, family and most of the projects are time consuming... I can't find time to finish my Bada SDK learning rss reader project not to say bigger projects. :(
[Bada Software and Hacking General] sabianadmin:
Once you get the linux kernel working and a boot loader booting then it becomes a simple task to get other Linux based OSs running on that device. You can just recycle the kernel from the Android port and thats about 80 percent of the work done. As for non linux based OSs you would have to start from scratch. All of the OSs i mentioned in this thread bar WP7 and WMO run on top of linux. This seems very obvious to me but clearly you fail to see that the difficult task such as building the kernel with the correct hardware support and finding a way to boot and initialize are either done or are being worked on and are close to completion.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mijoma:
No. I fail to see the people eager to do it. I am pretty aware of the status of the android project and feel annoyed at the number of people involved. I wouldn't say it's that close judging from the pace of progress.

Even what most would find impossible is doable with enough effort, so talking about feasibility and complexity of tasks is just a background where human resources with enough tech know-how is still the main subject.
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
Hello Xoomers!! Motorola announced that they are releasing Honeycomb 3.1 to Xoom Wifi owners starting today in phases. I believe the updates are based on your MAC addresses on your Xooms, this was what I was told (sources withheld) but I can not confirm this 100%. Anyway, we should start seeing a steady rollout of updates as there have been no issues with the updates with Xoom 3g owners. Please be sure to thank me :)

Fingers crossed!!

Forgot to mention, the official WIfi only version of 3.1 does NOT contain the Movie tab in the marketplace. No biggie to me, but it will be released sometime later.
[Xoom General] vamp6x6x6x:
I hope this is true bc u have no idea how happy just seeing this post made me lol.
[Xoom General] bd85:
Is ut only the US version of wifi-only that will start to get the update?

How about the European version? Will it start to roll out to us to?

Can only find info that people with the US version have got it. What about we with Eu version,
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
LOL..I pissed my pants while typing it I was so happy! But yes I have confirmation fro other Wifi owners who have received the update this morning EST. Also there has been official word on the update being released to wifi users. I cant wait to see the popup on my xoom. Remember though, its in phases, so please be patient people. Also, 3.1 does not fix the slowness in auto rotate because this is not a google problem, its an issue with the Xoom models which should be patched soon(again sources withheld) may have something to do with increasing the cache but again Im not 100% sure on this. Good luck!!
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
FRom what I was informed, it only appears that the US versions will start receiving updates today, there seems to be some confusion on when the Euro and Canadian models will receive the updates...sorry
[Xoom General] dantheman8987:
Got my OTA this morning on my Wi-Fi Xoom in US.

Kinda ticked off that we Wi-Fi people get snubbed out of the Movie app for no reason. Especially when I have a trip this weekend that I was looking forward to using the movie app.
[Xoom General] vizir:
i got my ota update at around 12:30am last night. did a restore to stock and then used power+volup button to reboot and then check updates.

what do you mean snubbed out of the movie app? movie editing or movie watching?
[Xoom General] timrock:
great. seems like you have a lot of info from your sources. so i will ask you this, without providing exact info (dates, time, etc.), are we close to an SD fix? Simple yes or no.
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
This was not done purposely, looks like their was a "bug" which caused issues with Wifi owners. But I would rather have the update now than to have to wait another few weeks just for the movie tab to be added. Enjoy your 3.1!! I'm told that the auto-rotate issue should be patched also hopefully soon!!
[Xoom General] vamp6x6x6x:
Congrats, I don't suppose you coulld make a Youtube video underlining all the new features(if many)
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
Hey there! yes, the SD issue is NOT Motorola's fault, contrary to what is believed..this is a issue with Honeycomb itself which Google is aware of and will fix. The other tablets that do have the SD card support are using a "work-around" but its not the official fix. From what I "hear" the issue is how Honeycomb sees the SD card, this will be officially fixed soon. I believe that the other tabs will receive an update for the SD card also, as the way it works for them is not "official"
[Xoom General] bd85:
Thanks.

Just hopes it not will take to long time before they start to send out the update.
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
you welcome...hopefully their will be more info no this by next weekend...
[Xoom General] timrock:
thanks for the response.
[Xoom General] slack04:
Can anyone provide a reliable link for this? People with wifi have been getting updates randomly for the last couple of days, so I'm not sure this is news. Not that I don't trust unsubstantiated conjecture, but... actually, I don't trust unsubstantiated conjecture.
[Xoom General] Rellerton:
Another post eslewhere in this forum mentioned that Motorola tech support said that a "fix" (not sure if that means Xoom only temp fix or a permanent fix from Google) for the SD card was finalized and would be pushed at close to the same time as the 3.1 update.
[Xoom General] dalythu:
www.twitter.com/motorola
[Xoom General] rmmorse81:
Motorola posted it on their Facebook today
[Xoom General] MRCANNADY:
Motorolo's official forum has recently updated this info today as well as on their facebook page (google search) I dont go around spreading false rumors pal :)..Plus Moto has employees that visit XDA also :) :)