yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] karendar:
Although I don't agree with the threats, I do agree with DFT. Modifying a closed source application and forking the userbase to a new version of magldr that needs to be dirty edited into looking like something else can cause confusion and let's say someone decides to let the modded closed source DFT source circulate and calls this his work, it can cause some issues with rights to the work.

And if you want a native feel, there's cLK... For the data drop, Cedesmith released 5 beta's worth of RIL wrappers.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] patensas:
Though i feel your pain and i'm actually with you on some points i do think this isn't right. Yes you gave credit to the ones that provided MAGLDR and say thanks to DFT but i can understand why they closed your thread. On XDA it's all about working on the art of others, one creates a bootloader, the next creates a rom and a third creates a better build using the one provided. Still we do have to respect the forum rules and the choices the mods make over here.

You could have go the other way on your project and shared methods instead of your edited version. Nobody would have closed the thread if you did. I do understand why people are so scared on other ( but the original ) MAGLDR versions. Would be a shame if lots of other would go publishing modded version on MAGLDR and many people would end up with broken devices. Do keep in mind i`m not saying your modded version will destroy devices, just saying this is a risky thing to play with.

It's a shame you're doing your best to get people angry by disrespecting them. Looks like you're asking to get banned from XDA, i have to tell you that doesn't create winners just loosers.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
like like white-energy said, if it was like that, we probably wouldnt have sense or wp7, i dont want to start a war on this but i dont think this is fair
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] antaed:
i think the mods judged this as a case of dura lex sed lex (the law is hash but it's the law)

however, the following is also true: summum ius summa iniuria (the extreme law is the greatest injustice)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Dormantlemon:
please folks, lets stay pleasant. I agree with the unfairness of the locking of the thread mentioned. Full credit was given to DFT and Cotulla all across the thread. I understand that maybe you folks in DFT did not want any modifications to your work, and thats fair enough. But was their any complaint from anyone in DFT? I didnt see one (i may be wrong)

Also, just for the record, technically is MAGLDR under the same rules as HTC sense and other closed source code under copyright. ie it requires developers permission to modify and/or redistribute?

I just feel that a more formal complaints procedure on threads would be useful, instead of a few individuals screaming copyright infringement.

But as i say, i understand the DFT, and yours mwang views on the situation.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] white-energy:
He actually had respected everyone.. you've just misunderstood the situation, i suggest you re-reading the first page! with all my respect (maybe you'll just misunderstand me)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shadowhacker27:
Stop this madness!!!!!!!

:eek: And who the crap are you??? Do you think that you are the only group who could put this together. I hate when this cocky bastards think they have redone the Big Bang and created the whole world. Shut your mouth off and be useful. If someone wants to MOD then let them mod. If some bad admin with low judgement skills keep closing MOD threads, then XDA is not the place it says to be. It happened with the G1 and it will happen over and over. People will leave this forum if people with so bad judgment keeps shutting down MOD Threads. We, the users of XDA, come here to see MODS. MODS About everything that exists. Magdlr, CLK, MIUI, Sense, Vanilla, WP7, etc. most of them are closed source and illegal to reproduce and we keep modding them.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
well i totally agree with you on this, and i guess its my fault too, but come on, locking a thread and removing a link without even investigating or asking kinda pisses me of, suppose you did a lots of stuff and someone just feels wrong, and someone else deletes it, how would you feel.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] alltome:
if its fair or not is your decision.

but when i want to modify some things from any build here i´ve to ask the dev.

if dev isn´t active upload your build but when he don´t want it you must accept his decision.

and by comments about sense or wp7 from all here...

don´t you think that people from microsoft or htc don´t know this forum??

xda devs has same click rates then ebay or others. so when they don´t want our porting roms they can stop it definetly in a half hour.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mwang:
DFT team consists not only from Cotulla. You can ask other members as well.

Sense and MAGLDR are different things.

Sense comes from HTC, company which make money on it. They doesn't compains about it, because only few users of HTC are experienced users which like to flash custom roms, change something on the phone and etc.

so it doesn't affect on their money and it's why they doesn't complains to XDA community.

MAGLDR comes from DFT team, we are complete hobby team. We are doing our projects at our free/spare time. We don't make money on our projects. Moreover, we spend some our money to our hobby. Our main purposes - develop different intersting projects related with different SmartPhones and allow people to use/look/test our results.

Our projects it's some kind of "truth card", downloading DFT HSPL you can be sure that it's good and should works nice. As well we hope more people can use our projects -> test them well. It's why we want to keep some exclusive projects without modifications.

Flashing MAGLDR takes less than minute. You download it and flash it. Done! But we developed MAGLDR around 4 months.

After such big efforts we think we can choose our own "vision" for MAGLDR UI and people can respect it.

As well it's appear only for few seconds during device load.

About rules... here no such rules, but well-know people relations respect rules.

If somebody did a big work, it's bad idea to get his work, spend 30 minutes and release it as own.

Of course commercial projects use this simple idea very often, but here, on XDA, it's our hobby.

Ofcourse, all text above may not stops from such actions.

But remember, we are also people with ability to offend.

we think developers inside our community should respect each other.

About new MAGLDR: why community waits it so long?

Maybe because we don't change strings and background picture, but working under something like 720P?

please stop doing it and respect us.

lets live in the peace!

DFT Team
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] karendar:
First of all, he *IS* an emissary of DFT, who says he doesn't speak for the team's sake? Second of all, if the owner doesn't want his mod to be modded, it's his RIGHT as the creator. If the OP did not contact DFT to ask to do this initially, that really doesn't help the issue even if he says "THANK YOU" 16 times in his main thread... It's a question of respect of someone else's work. If a cook integrates a free APK in his ROM, logic dictates that he gets permission from the application owner...

As for legality, the only thing that could be deemed "illegal" is the copyright on sense and WP7 builds. MIUI is open source, Vanilla is open source, magldr is closed but in no way illegal, cLK is open source. The only real legal issue is with ports of existing ROMs, not compiled ROMs from AOSP. :P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jigners:
lets get the facts straight

1. you took something that isnt yours, and without prior permission, you modified

it and released it to the public.

2. also DFT has spoken and they are not happy

with what you have done.

3. if i quote in your FAQ,

whenever a MOD closes a thread you always get a PM,

so why are you pissed off now, huh? be humble and just zip it will yah?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
oh yeah, so dont you think the mods should have closed the thread after cotulla had seen and denied the thread? how does that sound?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Derek0228:
All you said is true, but you also said that if Cotulla didnt want it to be there, you'd take it down, and mwang spoke, he is a member of DFT, who worked hands-in-hands with Cotulla, so MAGLDR is his too, and when he spoke, you disrespected him, which i think is wrong. It is HIS project, and if he doesn't want you to mod it then you shouldn't do it, or at least just do it for your personal use. MAGLDR is closed-source, and Cotulla and DFT did it without asking anything in return, except for respect. HTC did Sense, but they make profit of it, when you buy one of their phones. Microsoft did WP7, but they make lots of profit out of it too. I think you should respect DFT's decision, because they gave us MAGLDR, without asking for anything in exchange.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] metko:
I cannt deside on wich side shoud i be both are right i mean the dft admin whatshisnick is right to request that he needs to stop with moding magldr but on the other side for the user who moded magldr i mean sure its not right to mod it if it is close source but he can anyway do it if he wants too or anybody who wants,so i think im on the user side he moded it ok but he didnt stole the credits for the moded version he gave it all to cotula and DFT so i think he is right
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
FYI, i didnt get a pm when the thread was closed. And anyone who could read the faq properly could figure out that i was ready to remove it if "COTULLA" pmed me that he didnt like it, not mods. now shut yo trap.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Dormantlemon:
here here mwang. I think that clears most issues anyone may feel quite nicely. Also an opportunity to thank the DTF for their hard work.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] patensas:
That`s why i started with "Though i feel your pain" I`m with you on big part of this and like others i don`t like seeing threads closed. However there`s one rule you didn't follow and that`s asking the developer for permission. That`s all there is to know and the right reason to close your thread.

Still like i said before, XDA should have been all about modding and remodding leaving everyone free of mind and creating beautifull things. Still this is one you can't win, happened more than once before, always ends with just loosers. People get angry and leave while the open mind would give us the best of the best. It`s all about credits and much to less about sharing. Still there is a reason why MAGLDR isn't open source and i`m sure Cotulla would have explained if you just have contacted him before releasing your modded version. It must have been common sense why no other dev has worked on a modded version of MAGLDR.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] karendar:
Does it really matter if it's not Cotulla? You should just let it go, use your "dirty hack" of magldr and accept that this was done...

I think it's over now. ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
I totally respect what you said, and i respect what you guys did for htc hd2 community. I am not here to start any flame war or anything, its just that i dont think it was fair to close a thread just because some people said that it was not right. And i just modded, like you guys modded hspl out of the original spl from htc. I respect you, but its just that you should be freely able to mod anything you want, as we work as a community, and whenever someone does something new, someone else might make good use of it. I just modded it to make it look like it was made by htc, if i had kept my name and my credits on the new mod, you could have said anything you want, because that would be my fault.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jigners:
common man? as if mwangs posts isnt enough message for you? and please

answer fact 1 and 2.

in your FAQ you added a smiley figure into it:), i took that as a humble gesture

that if DFT tells you that they are not happy with what you've done, you'll

just take it away?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
Fact 1) Its called modding, did you know that HSPL was modded from original hd2 SPL ?

Fact 2) I totally respect what DFT did and what mwang said, but that doesnt mean that people should stop modding, and i have not posted any pirate website link or shareware software for free on xda, i just modded something that was already free so that it would be useful for people.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Galactus:
All ifs and buts in the end, I feel that threads should be closed AFTER a member or members of something has complained about it and not before the complaint is made.

I've come across many things that say flash at your own risk etc.....isnt it the same with his modded magldr?

Since mwang is part of DFT however, in the end it shows that they wudnt of liked it anyways so in the end it was the RIGHT choice to close it, but probably done in the WRONG way. just my opinion
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jigners:
this is the beauty of our community, we are all able to share and modify each others

work. here is real freedom, but with freedom comes respect with others work

if you know it isnt yours, you should always ask for permission to modify it

again the KEY WORD here in "RESPECT"

dont get me wrong, what you've done is good, but it was done without DFT's

permission, and to me that is disrespectful.

Peace!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] karendar:
Modding SPL to give access to the phone versus hex editing magldr? Not the best comparison, but then HTC is not complaining, so why bother removing it? ;)

Noone asks you to stop modding, mod your heart away! And if you did post it in a pirate website link off XDA, this might not have been known. So thank you for respecting the work by posting it freely, but I believe DFT has spoken...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] patensas:
And finally my last contribution to this thread:

This says it all :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
Does that mean all sense developers should get permission from htc before their thread gets opened back on? Didnt help.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] LiFE1688:
I don't know about what world you live in, but when you said you gave credits to Cotulla and/or DFT, you seem to have a weird way of showing it.

You removed his name from MGLDR, and you removed all mention of MGLDR and aMGLDR and Cotulla from the original MGLDR itself. So in simple sense, you cosmetically changed MGLDR without any feature adds or minuses. You did not reverse engineer, recompile, etc. All you did was use a HEX Editor, and cosmetically removed all mention of MGLDR, aMGLDR and Cotulla.

So yes, you removed all credits to them. XDA might have a huge userbase, but it only covers a percentage of the users of MGLDR. So giving credits in XDA doesn't really cut it.

Even if you did base your work on MGLDR, and made modifications, you pretty much need to do the polite thing, ASK FOR PERMISSION.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
Looks like you forgot the main point of creating the mod. It was to change the branding to make it look like it was made by htc. And i think i have already talked a lot about permission.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] patensas:
Okay so it wasn't my last contribution to this thread. The one thing you just don't want to see is the difference between respecting others work, copyright and the rules on XDA.

Your thread wasn't closed for disrepecting DFT, it wasn't closed because you modded something that isn't open source your thread was closed because you didn't follow the rules on XDA.

It doesn't say you can't mod MAGLDR, it doesn't say you shouldn't mod it does say you should have permission from the developer of MAGLDR before making it public according to XDA rules
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ksubedi:
I think i have already talked a lot about permissions and stuff. And just to let you know, if everyone was following all the permission stuff you are talking about, you probably wouldnt get sense roms and wp7 on hd2.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] LiFE1688:
There is a difference in modding and cosmetically re-branding.

Modding adds features, or removes features. What does yours add?

I want to have my own brand of cars, so I buy 5000 Honda Accords, and since it is a bulk order, I get it at a reduced price. I then proceed to remove the Honda logos and any mentions of Accord and slap my own brand name and model onto it. I later print in the manual, all thanks to HONDA and their wonderful ACCORD.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wacky.banana:
Guys,

Just seen this thread, in the main because its posted in the wrong forum. It will therefore be moved.

To the point in question: the original thread was closed by my colleague because it was going off topic and downhill. He also took the time and trouble to post in the thread that he was closing it...see here...http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13683233&postcount=24

Over and above that, the OP violated this part of rule 12:

"If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, ....."

Given the position outlined here, I am unclear as to why this new thread exists when all the OP has to do is provide evidence that he complied with rule 12 by providing evidence that he asked for permission before he modified the item.

Given that someone from the DFT team has also posted their, in my view, the OP does not have a credible case. I am therefore closing this.

Kind regards

WB (XDA Moderating Team)
[LG Optimus 2x] djmcnz:
Okay,

So I'm hardly expecting any kudos for this but since I did it for me I thought I'd share... :)

I like the LG bookmark widget but I was a little irritated by the 'glare' of the white background on the small panel... tada...

... sobeit... ;)

The background of the big pop-up is still white (makes it a little easier to read I think).

If you're using a MoDoCo based ROM just replace the existing file in /system/app/ and reboot - should work for stock LG ROM too but I've not tested.
[LG Optimus 2x] svceon:
Nice share, i think more stuff like this is great, customization at its best ...
[myTouch 4G Android Development] LlabTooFeR:
Here Gingerbread ROM for Glacier

http://www.filefactory.com/file/cb3...60.25_26.09.04.26_M_release_187963_signed.exe

Enjoy!
[myTouch 4G Android Development] Christopher3712:
Is this a new leak?
[myTouch 4G Android Development] daprince047:
is there any more info on this?
[myTouch 4G Android Development] daryllh:
what's going on here? This seems fishy as hell. Can't trust a DL link without info.
[myTouch 4G Android Development] ckisgen:
uhhhhh .. surely i don't need to warn anyone about actually downloading something like this, right?
[myTouch 4G Android Development] squidbutt:
this is strange

i might download it on my ex's computer and or phone to see what the happs is
[myTouch 4G Android Development] cangri87:
Im Russia, you No download [ROM], [ROM] download you.

haha felt like being a troll :D

i think i remember that football user name in the nexus forum with a leak.

it was legit, but i wouldnt try it in my work pc.
[myTouch 4G Android Development] daryllh:
haha. Somebody get hacked you think?
[myTouch 4G Android Development] RangerLG:
Is it the same MD5 as the leak that was posted earlier this month? Not Faux's.

This is the one I mean: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1059247

The file name on that one says TEST, this one says SIGNED.
[myTouch 4G Android Development] boardopboy:
Hot d@mn! I love this place these days!
[myTouch 4G Android Development] daprince047:
he releases leak roms he released the froyo update for espresso a while back

its legit i just wouldn't flash it
[myTouch 4G Android Development] betin50:
someone investigate LOL :rolleyes:
[myTouch 4G Android Development] faux123:
football's been around for a while :D Looks like an official RUU for Glacier, that would mean the Kernel source should be available soon (hopefully).

Just a warning though, don't flash this directly until someone has cooked it first just to be safe.

I am at work, I am sure someone can cook this up pretty easily and post the cooked version for safe flashing...
[myTouch 4G Android Development] Killbynature:
Use windows lol.exe
[myTouch 4G Android Development] mark manning:
Dude don't start a thread with a rom and no info.

Sent from my Faux powered Glacier
[myTouch 4G Android Development] ckisgen:
I get a 404 error on the link anyway...

and I was trying to say let someone who knows what they're doing check it out first before anyone goes and tries doing anything with it..

merely a friendly suggestion :D
[myTouch 4G Android Development] lordofokra:
It's a leak.. they never post a lot of info. If this is an important leak expect to see lots of new and updated ROMs in the next few days :D
[myTouch 4G Android Development] daryllh:
Whew. That's a relief. For a moment I thought all our base are belong to them.
[myTouch 4G Android Development] LlabTooFeR:
Sorry about thread title, just forgot to put file name...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kriskmk:
Firstly, I am using Mik's rom.. with pngs modified to my liking.. I have also searched around quite extensively for getting my questions answered.. but without any success.

I have been trying to mod the rosie launcher and am running into a few issues.

1. I can mod the icons pretty easily.. no problems there.. I can also remove the text "Phone" from the center icon.. but phone image is a little off center plus it is vertically offset (shifted a little up). I was told I can play around with the png image file and get that fixed.. however.. I am wondering if there is an xml file in particular that defines the x and y co-ordinates of the launcher icons. So yea.. I am verse with adb, decompiling, recompiling etc.

2. I am looking for a way to get the phone on the left and app drawer in the center.. any guidance with regards to this will be of great help to me. I am guessing this is somewhere in the smali files in Rosie.odex. I have decompiled it resulting in a bunch of smali files.. can someone tell me which particular one I am supposed to edit?

3. Wanting to know if there is any way to add a 4th button to the rosie launcher instead of the usual 3.

Again, I am looking for the know-how... NOT just a mod that I can apply via flashing.

I appreciate anyone who can direct me to a tutorial or a guide.

Thanks.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kriskmk:
wow.. not a single reply!... I guess I would have gotten at least a few responses if I had posted this in the development section.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chingy51o:
Grab one of my Rosie mods on theMikMik. It has the phone on the left and app drawer in the middle. grab one of those and mod it to your liking
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kriskmk:
Thanks.. but like I said "Again, I am looking for the know-how... NOT just a mod that I can apply via flashing.""

I want to know which xml files require the editing etc. I am surprised there are no Rosie Guides anywhere that explain which xml/smali files are commonly involved the typical mods.
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] jls95:
I dont know about you guys but paid apps were not available here in Greece until now , and like a sec. ago I noticed that there is a new paid apps button which was not there before!!!!!