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[Galaxy S II General] MrDeacon:
Agreed. This is not a system camera. However, it's argubly the best phone camera device on the market, so everything depends on what to compare it with. Personally, I'm pretty amazed about what it can muster.
[Galaxy S II General] bilboa1:
to be honest i'd like to have a pro-like quality out of the phone, because while we're not making actual pro-pictures, its one thing less to carry around if the quality is good.

in some cases it actually is on the SGS2
[Galaxy S II General] kreoXDA:
Not only that. I have at all times a professional photographer in my entourage.
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
How does it compare to the SGS? How will it compare to the Sensation? Those are probably two good benchmarks.
[Galaxy S II General] sarsh11:
The fact that the phone is able to take pictures of this magnitude, especially considering how light and thin it is, is itself amazing. Its not really possible with today's technology to squeeze larger sensors and keep the thickness down.

This guy here(who is a professional photographer) says the camera is 'very good' and looking at the pictures I think so too.

So I really think you people should stop complaining and enjoy what the phone has to offer without being so uptight about every minute problem.
[Galaxy S II General] Azra2k:
It is nowhere near as being the best camera phone. My gf has a Nokia N8 and you cannot believe the pictures she is able to produce with her phone. Will make this weekend a side by side comparison, with pictures of the same thing taken at the same time using both phones... I know N8 will win, just curious how much ahead it is ( and will use it at 8MP and not 12 MP to be fair ).

On another note, the indoor pics are crappy, but to be expected ( high MP count in a tiny sensor = noise ). Outdoor pics look very well indeed, even at full size they are ok. For me, not enough to replace a dedicated camera, but more than enough for the occasional picture and movie ( movies look excellent outside too ). I should mention that the N8 performs like a compact dedicated camera, so that sensor would be enough for most vacations.

Overall, given the fact that it is a phone afterall, I am more than pleased with the camera quality.
[Galaxy S II General] genus:
Let's make a comparison SGS2 vs n8 :D
[Galaxy S II General] bilboa1:
cool! i wanted to see such a test. even at 12MP in fact. We all know the N8 is going to win, but i'd like to see by how much.

I had a N95 in the past and it replaced my camera. I have a SGS right now (and a SGS2 tomorrow or so lol) and it is not as good in most conditions. It's probably because the lens is really much better and bigger on the N95 (and on the N8, and on most Nokias in fact..)

I almost went for the N8 just for that, but tbh, Symbian is a pain and the browser is really bad :P
[Galaxy S II General] Cinner:
Looking forward to the N8 comparison as well!
[Galaxy S II General] stoolzo:
to be fair the N8's camera is very good but as a an overall package its **** compared to the S2.

Yes, we would all like to get close to pro results out of it but it isnt going to happen with such a small sensor / lens

It should also be noted that a good photo, a good camera does not necessarily make.
[Galaxy S II General] MrDeacon:
I was mainly speaking of Android phones, since Nokia is playing in their own league when it comes to cameras. But an in-depth side to side test between the N8 and the SGS2 would be interesting - as a matter of fact; the only interesting comparision you would want to make. :)
[Galaxy S II General] fenomeno83:
Try to make the same comparison making a photo to people.

So, ARE DIFFERENT DEFAULT SETTINGS!

In indoor, to have sufficient light in the photo, ways are:

Higher ISO = more light at time unit,more noise, but faster to take photo

Lower ISO = less light at time unit, less noise, but not fast to take a photo (so, it's difficult make photos to people for example) because must get sufficient light

If you want, you can adjust noise by postprocessing softwares and don't lost too much details

Samsung doesn't add too much postprocessing process after photo(to autoremove noise, for example), but leave photo "as taken by sensor".

Nokia, for example, apply several postprocessing algorithms, but generates a photo with many details lost and artificial.

Different is if you have a xenon flash, that in indoor situations allow to make photo with sufficient light, using lower ISO but also low time to take photo.

With led flash options are:

1-low iso = low noise,but high time (difficult to make photos to people)

2-high iso = more noise, low time (you can make photos to people without too much difficult)

3-high iso with postprocessing(used by nokia in phone with led flash)= low time, get more noise that is cleaned by auto postprocessing algorithms (but many details are lost and photo is not natural as taken by sensor)

SO, if you don't like high iso automatic setting (and don't want use postprocessing softwares to remove noise), put manually a low iso

I like very much gs2 photos, indoor too! I like that samsung leave photo "as take by sensor".after I can use softwares like neatimage, photoshop, etc

Example (I applied an aggressive denoser like neatimage, but you can apply more soft denoiser)

http://www.sharingsys.com/lite/f/7f9238ca4c209ce0899dafb612f239cf.jpg
[Galaxy S II General] bilboa1:
im sorry but this denoised pic is still not as good xD
[Galaxy S II General] stoolzo:
some of you clearly have too much time on your hands.... :)
[Galaxy S II General] fenomeno83:
?????

what do you want, wax effect? :eek:

noise is totally removed!
[Galaxy S II General] fenomeno83:
3 seconds to denoise :)
[Galaxy S II General] Azra2k:
I will make a comparison this weekend between N8 and GS2. Will do the following:

- outdoor pics at different ISO settings, everything else on auto

- indoor pics with/without flash at different ISO settings, everything else on auto

- comparison of 720p recording ( might do indoor and outdoor, depends on the time I have )

With the N8 will make the pics at 8MP and 12 MP.

Just hope I have enough time to do all of the above :)
[Galaxy S II General] bilboa1:
i can see the artefacts from the denoiser plus some of the old noise

i don't see that on the picture from the innov8. thus the innov8 picture is still better
[Galaxy S II General] NIK516:
He is spot on, you can see that the gs2 image looks a little over exposed but that is only because of the iso being so hi.

You could set your contrast down also, but iso would be preferable.

Also what is the metering set at ?
[Galaxy S II General] amukilla:
Our friend here is right.. i took a few more pics with night mode and auto ISO. Comparing metadata for night mode set in both phones, SGS2 shutter speed was one notch higher, and ISO was -50 in difference. Night mode made a huge difference. I then applied massive noise reduction in low-light images produced by SGS2 to match with Innov8, which again made a big difference, enough to calm me down, but just for the record, Innov8 is undeniably slightly better in terms of noise level + natural level of detail.

Anyways I would call it a tie lol however, I feel that if we could adjust shutter speed and ISO settings manually, in smaller steps like ISO 125,150 etc instead of 100,200,400, then we might be able to produce better results. Would this be possible with software implementations? It would be cool to be able to set shutter speed and ISO manually and then save it as a custom mode! Any ideas? :D

Cheers!

Edit:Metering is Centre-Weightage, Auto contrast off, Anti-shake off.

Looking forward to the comparison with N8 as well! :)
[Galaxy S II General] Cezar`:
just my 2 cents to the people which say that "if you want a camera and a good gps buy separate ones" , this phone is 800+ $ . ok? i hope you get my point..
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
i knew this camera phone was gonna be worse than sony xperia arc, but THAT much worse?! :\
[Galaxy S II General] mark99uk:
my 5 year old sony erricson k800i's 3.2mp camera hidden away in an old cupboard takes better pics :(
[Galaxy S II General] genus:
not, sgs2 camera is better than Arc, Arc do produce photo with high noise less detail :)

you can compare photo taken with arc with sgs2 if you have it, the flash photo of arc totally no detail as I see

SE cameraphone was bad starting from k800i to Satio, all the noise level is top among cameraphone.
[Galaxy S II General] AaronUK:
There is a new firmware update for the camera when you go into Samsung Apps. Maybe this will fix your issues.
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
lol, yeah and sony is crappy in sound quality too right?... fanboyism all the way
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
anyone else could confirm this noise problem with their galaxy s2? i still cant believe its looking so bad, ive watched few reviews but they were all on good lightning conditions
[Galaxy S II General] virussnake:
anybody else found the new camera drivers in the ''samsung apps''?

i updated the driver BEFORE i installed the KE2 rom now it doesnt show up for me
[Galaxy S II General] :
I haven't seen Arc with very good quality pictures either. For all of Sony's Exmor marketing campaign, it was just that. Images don't look any better compared to other mobile cameras. Only decent camera could be the N8. I don't expect them to be very good in any mobile.
[Galaxy S II General] kultus:
dont know what do you want...just read review on gsmarena.com...try to browse throught photo samples...reall dont know whats wrong with SGS 2 has almost samsung i8510 quality photos and thats WOW!!! Every phone has bad low light condit. photos...so what
[Galaxy S II General] Shujitzu:
when i upgraded to KE2 I opened samsung apps it showed me an update. camera firmware update.

I haven't tested the camera thoroughly. I just thought you guys might find this useful.
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
http://seinsider.com/tag/comparison-camera/

n8 is boring, it has big resolution and thats about it.
[Galaxy S II General] Azra2k:
Posted a small comparison between SGS2 and N8 in a new thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1079325
[Galaxy S II General] Funkym0nkey:
Another quick indoor test between N8 and SGS2. Ignore the dust on PC :p

(Large untouched files )

N8 ( Complete Auto with flash , Auto without Flash, ISO 100 No flash )

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9960/15052011001.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6119/15052011002.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1061/15052011003.jpg

SGS2 ( Complete Auto with flash , Auto without Flash, ISO 100 No flash )

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1815/20110515025330.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/170/20110515025357.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2239/20110515025425.jpg

Will post some more, outdoor and indoor pics tomorrow.

These pics are taken in pretty dark conditions. Just 2 low power CFLs in the room.

Managing noise is relatively easy on both phones. It just takes couple of clicks for you to achieve good results.

N8 picture compression actually ruins the pics to large extent.
[Galaxy S II General] :
N8 colors look boring compared to others. Obvious that it's more natural also. Same argument why iphone photos may look better to some when it's over saturated.

I just had a check on gsmarena with their photo comparison tool. Arc photos does not look to much details, definitely less compared to N8. AFAIK, N8 still has the biggest sensor 1/1.8 inches. Not sure about the Arc or GS2 sensor. Believe all these are wide angle lens. Arc will probably give us better photo in low light condition and when NOT using flash. That's probably because of the CMOS back-illuminated sensor that they have. N8 has a fixed aperture of f2.8, it's f2.4 for Arc. No further details I have about Arc camera.

http://www.mobile-bridge.com/?p=15591

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s2-en.shtml (eldar murtazin's review. Don't think he likes Sony very much. But nonetheless the large number of samples does not look good for Arc)

Some N8 photos may have more noise, but that could very well be as a result of ISO selected. But definitely there is loss of detail in Arc when you crop at 100%. That said, I believe none of the mobile camera can compare against point-n-shoot cameras. We can forget about comparing against SLR.

Sorry about such a long rant!
[Galaxy S II General] TheWarKeeper:
arc like many other SE phones also have proper autofocus, something than most nokias lacked, it autofocus even in videos, does sg2 or n8 have that feature aswell?

The "detail" lack youre talking about is simply due the lower resolution, after all its 12mp vs 8.

PS: yes its obvious that phone cameras cannot be compared to any proper camera.

PPS: ive read the review youve posted, those photos are confirmed to be biased, as many ppl commented that they were bollocks on xperia arc side, and you can clearly see that easelly since alot of them have no focus and no camera configuration set on xperia arc.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taizzle70:
i am loving this rom so far and everything is flawless except that i am having problems with htcsense.com it does not locate my phone or ring it or anything.. it's funny because it was working before.. what am i doing wrong?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JWhetstone02:
Since this is still kinda new. I am thinking its problems within the website/phone. Mine was working middle of yesterday afternoon, now it's not.

Has been on and off since I started using it. It's a nice feature too.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilone215:
can they be ported to the tmobile or GSM networks but still recive a 4g signal?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cgi:
No. The phone needs to have the necessary hardware to receive those signals.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4redstars:
sorry to bump an old thread but I'm wondering if the features could be ported to the stock aosp rom from one hardware type to the other. Possibly building from source but adding things in that certain devs have added.

There seems to be a lot of GSM based roms that arent offered for the SPrint version but I'd love to try them out.

I'm not a dev but if guides were available I'd like to try porting (though I'd probably fail :) )
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] srkonus:
Hi,

we have a new SGS (everything stock from T-Mobile, i think it is JPY). I tried to connect the phone with out Exchange 2003 server without success.

There comes a message that i have to accept a Samsung EULA. If i do this, the connection fails.

On my own phone (private with Darky ROM RC6) i had not such problems. There is also no Samsung EULA.

Has anybody a idea?

kind regards

srkonus
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Copacaba:
I just flashed 15 Samsung Galaxys for a customer. Stock JPO(2.0, most *new* phones have that as stock) wont work with Active Sync for some reason (same problem pattern like you have), however, JPY (2.2.1) should work flawless.

Check it by typing *#1234# into the dialpad. It should tell you, what version you have.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] srkonus:
Thanks for your answer. I hope to get the phone back on monday and then i will have a look.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fomax:
You can also use SG2 Email.apk

delete original email.apk with SGS tools.

download new one, install it.

Then use root explorer and move the installed E-mail.apk from data/app to system/app.

restart the phone.

Finished
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] srkonus:
Hi fomax,

thanks for your answer. Rooting and changing apk files is no opinion.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XlAfbk:
oh no, not another battery drain thread... but this one is different

I've used pretty much every Samsung ROM that came out since I got this phone a year and never had such problems. Since flashing to JVH my battery is drained in 8h without any usage at all, with usage it hardly makes it over 4h.

Using deodexed JVH with supercurios kernel. The apps installed are exactly the same as before where this issue didn't exist. Looking at battery history it lists Android System as using lots and lots of keep awake and cpu.

Tried another battery, same thing, so that can be excluded as the cause.

Am about to flash back to JVB, unless someone here has any idea?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] taha_e:
Regarding the android system its mentioned in some other thread

its related to software update you can remove it from /system/app

the name of the file as I remember is syncmldm.apk

better to backup first then delete, after check if there is any difference for battery drain
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A.G.:
In the TweakROM-thread waxy50 posted this advice:

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=445398&d=1290261479

It has been "officially" endorsed by the author of the ROM (i.e. included in the installation guide), so it should work reasonably well.

I currently use the mentioned JVH TweakyROM and have never experienced any battery drain problems, so your milage may vary.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XlAfbk:
it's gone already, one of the files i delete instantly

Could you please link to the post? I'm not sure how overriding my dbdata is supposed to help.

If you mean http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13595711&postcount=554 that's not related to the file you posted (at least I can't see anything pointing to it) and the instructions there are mostly voodoo.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sirsever:
than go back to jvb (:
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A.G.:
Oups, my mistake. The link I posted was meant for another thread. And yes, you correctly identified the link I actually wanted to post.

Even though the instructions from waxy50 originate from the Darky forums I was under the assumption that they are not Voodoo-specific. At least TweakyROM uses Chainfire's CF-Kernel which does not include Voodoo.

However if I understand correctly you have already solved your problems by deleting syncmldm.apk, haven't you?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XlAfbk:
i had already deleted the file when i flashed the rom, so it's not the cause of battery drain
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A.G.:
What you could do is reflash JVH and see whether the drain occures once again.

If this doesn't help, maybe someone else or I will be able to come up with a better idea lateron.

At least as a last resort you will always have JVB.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samnlg:
I rename syncmldm.apk and guessed what. My batt drained overnight from 76% to 23% next morning when i woke up. :mad: Before this, it could hardly drain 5% overnight. I had since rename back to its original and monitoring. I'm on JVK since end of Mar and battery life has been good. Charge once in every 2-3 days with moderate usage (WIFI is always on). I hope to get a better battery life but I guess I shall be better off with current status than to fiddle further.:D
[XPERIA X8 General] Blagus:
I've opened my Xperia thanks to my need to open every single electronic device I have :p

I took some pictures (coming soon) and I've written down everything that was written on chips inside.

This is an older revision with Synaptics digitizer.

Chips:

Touchscreen digitizer:

Synaptics logo

T1021A

1 1023

AC1F889

on flex it says:

940-794-1R1

and another small chip:

TM1513

Display:

on flex

MDS40111

nothing else.

~~~~

Mainboard:

Big one:

QUALCOMM

MSM7227

CN2C98

E102700C

chip above:

ST (logo)

NANDCBR4N9

BZBC5 H0

KOR 99 027

QUALCOMM

RTR6285

A3N043.1

F2028013

SKY77336-13

4161610.1P

1031 MX

QUALCOMM

PM7540

AH54271

C3030003
[XPERIA X8 General] CaptainZap:
So as predicted we have clearpad 1000 wich doesn't support real multitouch, with a new kernel or without. Great Job, and will be waiting for the photos to see what the inside looks... also is is possible to change the casing from a white one to a black one without damaging parts? When you finish uploading the photos maybe you can take a picture of the tools you used, maybe it will help others too.
[XPERIA X8 General] Blagus:
You can replace casing, however touchscreen is glued to the case really hard and I couldn't remove it, and I don't know are cases shipped with or without touchscreen.
[XPERIA X8 General] Asycid:
Erm... you said it doesn't support multitouch. My question is, you mean dual touch, mutlitouch or pinch zoom (what is now almost fully working, so I think about the first two possibilities)? I hope Dual Touch is supported by the hardware, I don't need multi touch (or at least DT is enough for games).

Thanks in advance.
[XPERIA X8 General] CaptainZap:
Well what I've said is our hardware supports single touch, so no MT/DT for gaming... but pinch zoom is possible thanks to doixanh by faking a second finger.
[XPERIA X8 General] JasoX:
Please read the manufacturer specifications about the clearpad 1000 here:

http://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/190-000015-01-Rev-D-CP1K.pdf

A quote from the specifications document:

Once more: No dual touch on the SE X8!
[XPERIA X8 General] Asycid:
Thanks a lot.

...now I'm a saaaad panda... :(

EDIT.: No, I'm not sad, because my X8 has got Cypress digitizer, as "dmesg" says. So, pinch zoom is not working, but I thing cypresses are capable of Dual Touch, now, just have to find a ppl who has got "cypress x8" and can program Android. Or, I have to learn it :D
[XPERIA X8 General] XperianPro:
Think again what dev have new x8.
[XPERIA X8 General] Asycid:
Sorry, I dont undertand. Honestly, i really don't understand :)

I don't know which developer has which x8.
[XPERIA X8 General] XperianPro:
Two versions of x 8 exist one with one digitilizer second with other digitilizer and devs does not got new x 8 with new digitilizer, do you get now.
[XPERIA X8 General] Asycid:
I wrote this earlier:

So I know that there isn't any dev, who has Cypress-x8, that's why I wrote that I (we) have to find a people who has got "Cypressed" (wow, great word :D ) x8, and who knows how to program android.
[XPERIA X8 General] -ReaL-:
how to check which digitizer my x8 have?
[XPERIA X8 General] prz3m3kk:
type dmesg in terminal emulator and look for synaptics or cypress lines, I do not know exactly how should it look like :d
[XPERIA X8 General] Asycid:
Quote from pinch zoom topic at dev.:

For devices that are unable to use x8gesture, try this command in your phone (either with terminal or with adb shell):

Code:

dmesg | grep "cyttsp-i2c"

If you have something like this, that means your X8/X10mini is using Cypress and therefore it will not be supported by x8gesture:

Code:

<6>[ 4.185259] cyttsp_i2c_probe: Successful registration cyttsp-i2c
[XPERIA X8 General] Dare-Devil Inside:
Whats the difference between these two digitizeres?

Sent from Tapatalk using our best custom ****:)
[XPERIA X8 General] Asycid:
If I'm correct, the dititizer that came from Cypress can do Multitouch (no, not pinch zoom or just dual touch... multitouch!), and the Synaptics' can't (at least the ClearPad1000)

But now we really getting offtopic, so let's go to a multitouch topic! ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] bogdan_mihai554:
Yeah, but i saw that microsoft Kin two has same Touch solution and it supports Dual touch, it seems to be software emulated, but if we find out how it is, we can port it to X8
[XPERIA X8 General] prz3m3kk:
we couldn't because kin two hasn't linux based kernel.
[XPERIA X8 General] CaptainZap:
To all: Stop dreaming MT/DT won't happen for the X8.

@bogdan_mihai554: Termina omule, nu mai fi asa insistent. Nu se poate si gata.
[XPERIA X8 General] Dare-Devil Inside:
So. Half of us could have multitouch, and half dont.. I think you're wrong
[HTC Desire S] shrome99:
So i got my Desire S this week nd i LOVE it. It's my first android phone, so i wud like 2 root it. How can i check if it's S-On or S-OFF ?? I live in India if that makes any difference. Also, is rooting tougher than jailbreaking? Cuz i've jailbroken about 10 of my frndz iPods (and my own iPod 4) nd it's quite easy. Thanks