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[Miscellaneous Android Development] tuxmeister:
Dingleberry was dropped, ouch! I was hoping and waiting for version 4. I really hate it when manufacturers don't see the potential of the developer community in forwarding the capabilities and uses of their hardware. This ecosystem BS is starting to get tiresome. Why people like HTC, who have a strong and long heritage of solid manufacturing, can understand that the community makes them stronger, not weaker?

RIM on the other hand, is worried something bad is going to happen to a device that doesn't even need a connection to a BlackBerry Enterprise Server to operate, unlike their phones. Their approach with this particular device should be completely different in my opinion, since it's unlike anything they've produced so far. Even with the price drop, the default OS, app market, etc... has so many shortcomings out of the box that it makes people who try to justify buying it cling to features like the awesome multitasking, which is just a "for show" feature in the end since nobody actually needs multitasking on these devices. In my opinion the pseudo-multitasking (call it pause-play) implemented in iOS is a better solution in this space since the way the interface paradigm itself is laid out, there's no actual need for 2 applications to be running simultaneously 100%, since you can't really see them both on screen at the same time, so REAL multitasking doesn't exist on these devices.

Wow, I completely went off-topic with this last bit, but I hope my point gets across. RIM, with their latest financial results, cannot afford to be denying access to people who are genuinely interested in their device. I bought mine with the prospect of being able to do something more with it than what QNX allows, but by the way things are looking so far, I think it will land on eBay or some other auction site, ready to torment another user.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] drwierdo:
Dissapointed....

Oh no...what do you suggest then?? Do I settle for Barnes and Nobles Nook tablet?? But I want a camera in the tablet and I want two for $500...I thought that the dev team here will crack the bootloader one way or the other...It was just a matter of time...am I wrong then?? :(
[Miscellaneous Android Development] efrant:
Although not quite as fast (and a little bigger and older), you could prob pick up 2 refirb Motorola Xoom's for ~$600. No more messing around -- they have unlockable bootloaders and ICS...
[Miscellaneous Android Development] shabbypenguin:
i actually snagged a factory refurb xoom from one sale a day for 300 bucks a few weeks ago, despite its old age it still does everything i need it to do and more. plus having official cm9 on it is nice, and future updates/rooting is a breeze :)

but yea, if you want a playbook then i suggest getting one, solid device... just dont expect google play anytime soon, and certainly dont expect android on it anytime in the near fuiture (being like 8+months) specwise for price its teh best 7inch tab out there. i got one for the whole port an app deal and i recently sold it (it lasted a month in my house :O ) just because there is no support. android users have it lucky man, angry birds is 5 bucks on playbook app world, worse yet angry birds seasons is 5 dollars and doesnt even have the xmas stuff in it (which was available on android over a year ago) with teh promise of "we will get to it" netflix refuses to support rim, as do many other companies.. they dont consider it a worthwhile platform... :(

but the transformer/prime, gtab, gtab2, xoom... if you need an android fix id reccomend any of these. they can handle anything you throw at em and have a bigger screen (which really matters on a tablet).
[Miscellaneous Android Development] efrant:
I agree: updates, rooting, custom ROMs are a breeze.

I no longer purchase any device (phone or tablet) unless it comes with an unlockable bootloader. Too many restrictions and too much hassle otherwise.

I bought a Playbook given that it is a great piece of hardware, but I am going to sell it as soon as I can and pick up a Xoom, or Google's upcoming tablet (if available in time). I understand that the hardware quality is not as good as -- but if it is so locked down that I can't use it the way I want, what's the point? I'm not saying that devices should come with unlocked bootloaders, but they should come with unlockable bootloaders.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] BackDaws:
This sounds promising :) have a good read :)

http://forums.crackberry.com/blackb...d-up-app-situation-playbook-read-here-716775/
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Bruce Lee:
Hey all playbook users.... a new playbook update is out. Check the software update for details. I notcie better a browser experience. Details can be found on www.crackberry.com

Sent with Tapatalk from my Blackberry Playbook
[Miscellaneous Android Development] wozhere:
The new Herr CEO Fuhrer of RIM is mad and instead of saving RIM from it's projected bankruptcy (hostile takeover: end of billion dollar loss making QNX), he is speeding up the company's downfall. Playbooks going for just above half price on ebay, cheaper in future. Sold mine. Good luck Titanic. :D
[Miscellaneous Android Development] MicaH_Z:
Dingleberry is still alive and kicking! The developer has asked for 4.0 beta testers on april 21th by way of Twitter so development is still going strong! Let's hope for a speedy update!
[Miscellaneous Android Development] marty331:
What is his twitter? I'll sacrifice my playbook, its just gathering dust at the moment.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] :
Any news about dingleberry and rooting? There is a talk on crackberry forum that new os 2.0 is imppsible to root and that development on dingleberry has stopped
[Miscellaneous Android Development] SifJar:
Yeah. Very few processes on the new OS 2.0 run as root, just the web server and a couple of other things. The web server is regarded as the most secure web server available (RIM are dedicated to security after all) and none of the other processes are exploitable either. Meaning it's very hard to root. I believe there is a private rooting method, but it is not something that is usable by the general public.

The current idea is to install a custom firmware upgrade, from a lower, rooted firmware. It won't help people already upgraded though.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Magnesus:
Also the SSD is soldered unfortunately so we can't easily take it out to reformat or sth.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] crabiorc:
Got mine today - Just for the quench of having an Android tab with a solid build - I would say - the device is worth too good for the price - its BB boys :)

-Side loaded every possible Android app i needed and its perfect :)

-I was warned it could become my paper-weight dust collector - but i believe with the current ability to port any app - it will be a cheap/affordable/solid winner.

-RIM guys could not open the gate - because they are RIM :) I am sure they can bring something new and big into the playbook.

-Rooting: Tried the http://www.dingleberry.it/ trick with their 3.3 version - on my new OS 2.0: FAILED

-I have already started my dirty hands on QNX now. :) Lets juice the seeds of this boy :)
[Miscellaneous Android Development] BoT@XDA:
i wish there was more positive to say about android development for the PB.

i really wanted to get one too but last minute settled for the SGT2, almost identical hardware (*devs hint*) and ICS 4.0.3. also already has a forum here. i still would get a PB but i hope there is a breakthrough some time soon.

voted btw
[Miscellaneous Android Development] drwierdo:
I too am going to buy the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0

I too am now moving on to samsung galaxy tab 2, with its comparable price and the great ICS out of the box...it looks great....
[Miscellaneous Android Development] jcorey:
Perhaps with the price adjustment (<$200) it'll spur some development. It's quite the contender with the Kindle Fire now...
[Miscellaneous Android Development] drwierdo:
Yeah I too hot the new samsung galaxy tab 2 7.0 and its great. It's an exceptional tab with a slight Wi-Fi antenna problem. I'm loving every bit of it. I think the great experience is also because of the 7" form. My friends are all waiting in line to pay games on my large screen instead of their small screen of iPhone :P and some even went so far as to ask me to consider swapping it with their iPhone 4S ...but I think this thing is worth more than any iPhone every made!

P.S. the 7" version of the new galaxy pad is not available in Nepal. We just have the 10" version which is little bit too large.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] slybunda:
i got a 16gig nexus 7, but this blackberry playbook is going for £129 inc vat at pc world for 64gig version. thats damn cheap for a new tablet especially one with 64gb flash. even if android is not ported over to this hardware that price alone makes the tablet very affordable and capable as a music player, web browser and light gamer, for the price its a bargain with solid build.

hope dingleberry can get jellybean or something working on the tablet to make it even more better.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] BackDaws:
It's not capable of anything, even if the playbook was free I'd still complain cos the software is useless, I'm keeping mine with the hope that bb10 is better otherwise it's gone.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Bruce Lee:
+1 totally. I hate the apps. I definelty will trade it too if bb10 is terrible. The only spotlight to me is that browser is ok.

Sent from my SGSIII with the XDA Premium App
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Magnesus:
+2. My Playbook is gathering dust. Its operating system reminds of Windows 3.1. :)
[Miscellaneous Android Development] wednesday13:
Any chance to flash a custom firmware? Btw bb10 is coming!!
[Miscellaneous Android Development] quackquack147:
i am not showing off. i got 2 bb playbook 64 gb and i got myself a second hand bb playbook 32 gb, this 32 gb is for r&d, if you are patient enough then i guess soon i will post how to do it. i am working on it at this very moment. porting debian GNU linux and removing playbook OS.

hope this helps.

does it?

thanks

-paul

p.s. i am trying to break the encryption keys. i will spend 2 weeks aka 14 days to break it. else jtag the device. one and only last hope. hope i am able to crack it up! which is unlikely because the user system keys are 3072 bit rsa keys and boot loader is then either 3072 bit or more like 4096 bit. then jtag is the only solution. :)
[Miscellaneous Android Development] matrixzone:
wow, sounds exciting if true
[Miscellaneous Android Development] quackquack147:
so true. wish rim will aim customers and not enterprise. besides joe/jane user doesnt need 3072 bit rsa keys for user and 3072/4096 bit encryption for boot loader. rediculous.

thanks

-paul

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yes mate i got pissed off with the blackberry. i searched here and there and then looked everywhere. everyone wanted it but no one dared to mess with it. like that story "all gathered to see who swims with the shark, everyone poked their head out to see who is that who, suddenly a splash and one started to swim frantically and reached the other side. when asked how he did it? he replied if i wish i know who pushed me from behind i would kill that person."

same here everyone looked for who blinks first. i decided to dive and now i got more than enough information to carry it out. everything else is simple and easy. if there is anything which is the most complicated? then its the bootloader which is heavily signed. rsa 3072 bit or above. 100% sure rsa 3072 because uers's rsa key itself is 3072 so bootloader has to be more than 3072, which is my guess. so that was the push i got in the back from RIM's blackberry OS and i dived and gathered all the info. by toomorrow i will know the pin out for jtag. and once i do it? i will wait for 2 weeks for the rsa key to crack. if it does well. i will sign all bootloaders with RIM's key else under belly punch (which is most likely) aka jtag.

i am *NOT* an electronic guy, so my knowledge is very limited wrt to electronics. and which is why i am good to go with the rooting.

wish me luck and try to be patient for the next 2 weeks starting monday.

have fun and keep praying that the key is cracked. then too many user wouldnt have to jtag their box.

hope this helps.

thanks.

-paul
[Miscellaneous Android Development] wozhere:
I sold my BBPBs a long long time ago mate. The bootloader is 128bit encrypted AFAIK, secured for defense/intel/police forces clients. I would say don't waste your time, anyway the hardware was good but useless without Android (like HP Touchpad that I have Dual boot). Don't get me wrong, the OS, like WebOS, is better than Android but no good to me due to /gardenwalling/apps/un-configurability/long boot etc. The thing is toooo thick & heavy too. Now outdated by cheap quality dual cores or even quads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8YAdT2hO28
[Miscellaneous Android Development] wozhere:
I said AFAIK which did not mean sure.

Also I said what is practical & useful to me. Then a few points about what matters to most considering where & when we are now. BTW "most" does not mean all.

Finally I did separated solidness of OSes vs. their usefulness, again from my POV.

I got a couple of x61s somewhere too. Like tanks. Anyway if you need a challenge you can do a PhD in mathematics or a few other subjects. Frankly IMHO, look IMHO up like AFAIK before jumping to conclusions again, life is too short to waste on BS challenges instead of real ones but if that is what you need right now, good luck & take it easy palomino.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] cyberhern:
Sporting a woody! Very Cool thanks for reviving the PB

Sent from my gMoto MAXX HD 926 using T2
[Miscellaneous Android Development] quackquack147:
i know whats your AFAIK, this is my AFAIK.

we are 2 tourists travelling to same destination and same path of journey but out trains are different even though they are on parallel lines. you aim practicality via usability and i achieve or hope to achieve practicality via academics. your most and my most even though are same but extremely different. IHIAC (i hope its all clear).

Each OS has strength vs weakness opportunities vs threats aka SWOT. this is not an OS discussion i hope. and your point of view is applauded and appriciated (ignore my spelling mistakes).

again coming to machines x60 and x61 are different, i buy machines which are practical and opposed to usefulness, if its practical its useful. YMMV. I am planning to do a course on cryptoanalysis, which is hardcore mathematics. i hope i did answer your question.

and this is the co-inciding punch line of mine too, what good is that oxygen we breathe if we fail to take risks, or life is an utter waste of oxygen if we dont gamble. so one striking resemblence but whats BS according to you may/not be according to someone else.

and i am taking easy, we are not in a boxing ring to sort it out. where there are 2 vessels there will be a little sound whatever be their shape/size.

you admire your work/job so do i. i hold my respect for you, whether i get it back in real is purely optional and fictional and co-incidental.

/me offers a mug of cold beer and potato chips and hot chilli pepper sauce for you, bill it on me cowboy! ;)

thanks

-paul

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cyberhern,

i am a few nano steps away from reality, i am collecting as much info as i can before virtual reality vanishes and reality takes over. i.e. cracking RSA 3072. if i fail? then usb uart. if i fail in that? manual override. JTAG!

JTAG never failed.

hope this helps!

-paul
[Miscellaneous Android Development] wozhere:
good luck Paul & best wishes.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] quackquack147:
thanks mate. make it on the double.

thanks

-paul
[Miscellaneous Android Development] serialkillazzs:
any luck yet quack
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Dr.Acula:
Visit rooting sub forum on Crackberry. Its coming and possibly just weeks away.

Hope it helps.

-Dracula
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Barracuda1101:
in the coming weeks or past monday :p
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Dr.Acula:
Welcome to xda.:D

Thanks!

-Dracula
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Barracuda1101:
Hey Doc, im not new here been around since mid 2012....not old but not new. you would better know me as Barracuda7772 :p ive rooted a good few androids like galaxy nexus but what i had most fun with is a Tmob G2X aka wind lg optimus 2x. wind tried telling us the last supported os for it was 2.2 so the community got 4.1 on it albeit with a few baseband issues .....ie horrid popping during calls but 4.0 was ok considering nvidia or nazis regarding drivers
[Miscellaneous Android Development] yareg:
I'm happy to know there's a work-in-progress for PlayBook to have a chance to change OS. I played with OMAP4 booting process a bit on my smartphone, it has mode to program it with OmapFlash utility. What if I make full erase of flash and burn x-loader and u-boot build from omapzoom repo with OmapFlash, will it work? I know that on OMAP 4460 HS hardware x-loader must be signed and all tools are TI proprietary - this is the main problem of PB?
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Thecrazyskull:
Any progress?
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Penickajakub09:
Hi

Can i ask if is possible to bypass setup on blackberry playbook i cant get pass agreement, thanks
[Miscellaneous Android Development] mrjs84day:
i just got this tablet and I'm wondering if I should do the update, I have an evo 3D and i did the update and i got screwed. i really would like to see some development on this as far as ports. I would hate to have this great tablet and it stays limited.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] -]Megacharge[-:
Now that the Playbook has been rooted there are no more excuses, we need a dedicated Playbook thread here at XDA now, and some Dev support for Android rom's like Cyanogen's ICS releases.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] martijn6oo:
+1 for that hope so that someone is working on a android port :D
[Miscellaneous Android Development] -]Megacharge[-:
I'll be frequently bumping this thread to let these guys know it's time for a Playbook section. It's only a matter of time before a full port of Android is possible if it's not already.

The Playbook needs some serious attention.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] robber:
Subscribing
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Bruce Lee:
http://www.redmondpie.com/install-android-market-on-blackberry-playbook-how-to-tutorial/

Here is a way to root and put in the android market since I saw a question about it. There are better, countless guides on youtube too. The official 2.0 playbook update is rumored to come out in late February with android support. The blackberry official blog said they have surprise news on New Years. So many surprises coming?!
[Miscellaneous Android Development] robber:
I just picked up a 16 gb today. Hardware is super slick. If this thing ends up running ICS it will be a great acquisition.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] wozhere:
Thank you skoperst for your efforts, much aprreciated.

This is what I posted on CM Forums, we really need a full proper ROM on ths device:

This is the CM link, please post any news here or there if any genuine Open Source developer takes up the challenge to give us a proper full Android ROM:

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/23565-blackberry-playbook/
[Miscellaneous Android Development] -]Megacharge[-:
So, guys, are you going to make us a Playbook forum yet? It's already been rooted, and the Android Market is installable and useable, lets get cracking on a forum here at XDA already.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Bruce Lee:
Have you talked to a mod about it?

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[Miscellaneous Android Development] -]Megacharge[-:
They've been asked many times, not just by me.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] adchesney:
For what its worth...a Playbook Forum would be great. I have the Playbook and just upgradeed to Beta 2.0 6149.

ANDREW
[Miscellaneous Android Development] -]Megacharge[-:
Yes, we really need a Playbook forum here. I don't understand the bias against the Playbook here at XDA, it makes no sense at all.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] amit864:
No bias, just poor demand.

Vote here for playbook forum,

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1416406
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Bruce Lee:
Just did. Thanks for the good thread find. I couldn't find it.

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[Miscellaneous Android Development] -]Megacharge[-:
I just voted too!, looks like the Playbook is picking up steam, I know there are a lot of guys at Crackberry forums that have accounts here and they've been voting for their Playbook too.

It's about time this awesome tablet gets the attention it deserves, and it's own thread and development too.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] wozhere:
I voted, spread the word on PB forums. Apart from a few guys doing rooting despite RIM's efforts on xda & dingleberry, no one is attempting a proper Android port. Partly due to the tight bootloader on PB but there maybe a way in and even if not could probably reboot from a rooted qnx shell possibly.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Speedmaster_102:
voted for bb playbook.

my bro in law has one and is looking to ditch it. I told him I will take it off of his hands cuz I *KNOW* it will get ported to android.

<-- has 2 touchpad running on cm7 (one for me and one for my son) :D
[Miscellaneous Android Development] -]Megacharge[-:
Things are looking very good! The Playbook is currently 3rd in voting! I'm considering creating a device Wiki page for the Playbook to be more pro-active about it. Hopefully I can get some help, and the devs here at XDA take a hard look at the Playbook. With it's recent rooting, and sales it's becoming hugely popular.
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Bruce Lee:
Please do make a wiki. I might consider helping you if you consider doing it soon since for me college starts up soon on the 17.

Thanks for the update on the playbook. I just viewed it myself. That's quite encouraging.

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[Miscellaneous Android Development] wozhere:
From 60 to nearly 160 in a day, spread the word, we are winning. This is the biggest challenge to any dev and it is the best 7 inch hardware for factory price in regular sales. RIM is committing suicide by stopping a full android port for a few security clients and baseless fears of linkage to future qnx phones. Reality is without a full on android port, not a handfull of emulated apps, this whole division which had cost them a billion already will be obsolete like Webos commercially no matter how good and will bankrupt RIM as a whole too but dying corporations in the evolutionary jungle are often too stiff and will only hear the final big fall. We are doing them a favor despite themselves.

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more requests here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1403032
[Miscellaneous Android Development] Bruce Lee:
Check this news out all for the blackberry playbook.

http://crackberry.com/want-root-your-playbook-you-still-can