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[Galaxy S II General] Sticks02:
Ok, I think I should clear some things up here. Somebody might want to amend that QA thread as well.

Korea has three telecommunications companies; SK Telecom, KT Freetel and LG Telecom (LG U+).

The Galaxy S2 has been released for ALL THREE companies.

SK Telecom has the model SHW-M250S

KT Freetel has the model SHW-M250K

LG Telecom has the model SHW-M250L

You can verify this by a google search, or taking a peek at Samsung's open source website.

SK Telecom and KT Freetel use USIM cards in their smartphones, as far as I know LG Telecom do not.

NFC technology is implemented in both the phone hardware, and as a passive 'transit' variation in the USIM. The phone has built in software that will read any NFC related information from the USIM card.

Heck I just used it today on the subway and bus to pay for my fare, It's pretty simple, just place the phone face up on the scanner pad on the barrier/gate, it'll beep and unlock the gate for you.

Here's a happy Korean user showing off his active NFC functionality on his phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of-Rihzgd0A

First thing he's doing is sharing contact information ('tags') with another NFC enabled phone (another SGS2). Second thing he does is scan a passive NFC enabled credit card.

Now it would seem LG Telecom do NOT have an NFC feature in their model, possibly due to them not using USIM cards. I'm assuming because of this model people have been getting the wrong idea about NFC not being in Korean phones? I don't know all that much about what's going on with LG Telecom and their model but what I DO know is their model does not have NFC.

The second picture you see in Hazart's post is the LG U+ model, hence why it doesn't have "Near Field Communication" on the battery.

For reference, here's my battery and USIM card, serial numbers blurred of course. :p

If you look closely there are two icons on it, "T-Money" and "Olleh Touch".

T-Money is the name of the NFC payment system they use here for transit (bus, train) as well as simple over the counter transactions at convenience stores, etc.

Olleh Touch is the carrier's NFC software that came bundled with the phone. If you look closer at the icon you can see "NFC" on it, so nyeh. :p
[Galaxy S II General] nikzDHD:
As mentioned, NFC will be sim based so in the UK at present NO network carry this feature, also said before o2 and Orange have been trialing with Samsung. Visa and Samsung will implement something together before the Olympics which they plan to roll out NFC.

I can see this NFC version being a network exclusive at first with signs pointing to Orange who have trialled a Samsung Wave phone which had NFC on it.

I'm just speculating but that's what I think.

Also mentioned earlier this year was the fact that no UK network will have NFC as Apple did not want to implement this in the iPhone 5 but I bet you Apple will release their own payment method and that will blow up!
[Galaxy S II General] hazart:
Many thanks for the clarification! So, the NFC-labelled battery itself contains no NFC hardware and has nothing to do with NFC?
[Galaxy S II General] nikzDHD:
Just to mix it up NFC enabled batteries are available for hardware manufacturers!

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=cW_NTYj9DYOR8gPMwMO8Ag&q=http://www.smartsim.info/downloads/smartsim_information_brochure.pdf&source=android-home&ved=0CBMQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNERBy-Y0DVssRtnzJFyrx5IFw8A1w
[Galaxy S II General] shankell:
My thoughts exactly. I'm not bothered at all about it.
[Galaxy S II General] Sticks02:
I don't know about that. Why would Samsung label batteries differently if they didn't have any NFC hardware in them? It makes no sense.

There's either NFC hardware in the battery AS WELL AS the phone OR

there's NFC hardware in only the battery. I'm not going bust my phone open to check for strange wires. :p

This could actually all be solved IMO if somebody could try using NFC with a third party battery without the "Near Field Communication" on it. If it doesn't work then there's some critical bit of hardware in the battery. The extra pin(s) on the battery contacts on the Korean models kind of point to this too.

Unless Samsung likes labeling their batteries with "Near Field Communication" to troll their customers, lol
[Galaxy S II General] BarryH_GEG:
If the chip is under the battery, maybe it's a special shielded design so it doesn't block or interfere with it.
[Galaxy S II General] Little Dragon:
Doesn't matter. Here in canada that technology isn't well implemented yet and I don't think it will be for quite some time
[Galaxy S II General] MaelstromXC:
I am from Canada too. We are starting to use Presto for transportation and other forms for NFC such as Mastercard and Visa. Although there isn't any use for NFC in a phone here yet, if Canada version has NFC, I don't want to be screwed with an "older" version or one that has no NFC and sell my phone at a discounted price relative to the Canadian version. :(

Honestly, it's not really if NFC is useful or will it be useful in the near future. It's the perception that counts. Apparently, some of us here thinks that NFC will make it future proof (not arguing about it, i think so too), that means there will be people who think the version without NFC is worth less than one with NFC.
[Galaxy S II General] rafael000:
When NFC is huge, it'll be time to buy SGS3 already :)

So, I don't worry.
[Galaxy S II General] Lagu:
I think I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it ;)
[Galaxy S II General] kreoXDA:
If I ever want to pay for things with my phone, I would simply order an NFC enabled credit card from my bank, cut out the NFC area and stuff it under the battery cover. Problem solved (partially) ;)
[Galaxy S II General] nikzDHD:
Hah I should try it with my Barclaycard lol which has the wave tech built into the card.
[Galaxy S II General] fallenguru:
Sometimes it seems Samsung are trying to confuse and alienate their customer base ... What is this, a ploy to lower demand for the current model because they simply can't fill that many orders anyway? :confused:

Oh, and as for all the people saying "I don't need contactless payment and it's not deployed here anyway" - Why is every one going on about the contactless payment systems? For me, the benefit would be entirely new applications, like tagging my book collection with RFID tags.

I really hope an NFC-SIM won't be the only solution as I'm not comfortable with the combination for privacy and security reasons.

You're right. But 99% of us don't need a smartphone either. Heck, some 20 years ago there weren't even very many dumbphones - and yet the world kept on turning.

Smartphones, for me, are about new and disruptive technology that can empower us, make our lives easier and more fun. NFCs potential in that direction is limitless and since no-one is going to get creative without a large installed base I'd rather support the idea by getting a handset that has it. Even if it isn't immediately of use to me.
[Galaxy S II General] ConceptVBS:
People, you don't need NFC in your lives.

Get over it!
[Galaxy S II General] mercuryzzz:
Check this out from amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-I91...BQ2C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1302561286&sr=8-3

Technical Details

4.3 inch WVGA SUPER AMOLED Plus display

Dual Core processor

3D graphic performance and fast data processing

8 megapixel auto focus camera with Full HD 1080p recording and playback

Near Field Communication

Ok, I receive mine from amazon, and of course it haven't the NFC feature. Can I ask them a partial refund so the item will be cheaper for me because they didn't respect one of features they advertise in the page of samsung galaxy s 2 in our opinion? I don't want to return it, I just want a partial refund or a bonus for my next purchase because they didn't respect fully the features advertised...what do you think?
[Galaxy S II General] jUsT2eXy:
Getting your money back

Under the distance selling regulations, you are quite within your rights to change your mind at any time within the first seven days, return the goods and get a full refund. This means without financial penalty of any kind – such as a cancellation charge or a ‘restocking’ fee. The supplier must also refund any delivery charges paid by you, and any other costs related to the contract. Refunds must be made within 30 days from cancellation, whether or not the goods have been sent back. Any related credit agreements will also cease to exist.

You may be required to pay to return the goods, but you must have been informed of this as part of the pre-contractual information. if the goods are faulty, then under Sale of Goods, the supplier will always bear the cost of returning them.

Ps. If you don't want to return it for a full refund due to "false advertising" / "misrepresentation" then you will not get a discount or anything else.

However, you could return it and use that cash to find another cheaper retailer and in essence you have a discount :)
[Galaxy S II General] mercuryzzz:
I will tray to ask for a discount. Because I don't want to return it, I don't need nfc. I want just a discount or a bonus on my next bought.
[Galaxy S II General] fallenguru:
They certainly don't have to give partial refunds since they can always claim a clerical error on the spec and you could always return it for a full refund, anyway.

I don't see why you shouldn't try, though. It may be different in the UK but Amazon Germany usually credits me a few Euros if a book arrives slightly damaged or somesuch, and I complain a little. They don't want all the restocking hassle either.

On the other hand you could return it and wait for the model with NFC and - pure wishful thinking here - proper audio.
[Galaxy S II General] Burko:
brilliant

Burko
[Galaxy S II General] crystalocean:
Any news from Samsung on UK market? I reckon it is really an annoying issue especially I have been waiting for my order for half a month!
[Galaxy S II General] robot1000:
If they do launch the NFC version in the next month or so, I hope Samsung have the courtesy of providing some sort of goodwill gesture to those who've ordered the discontinued model
[Galaxy S II General] crystalocean:
Totally agree! They'd better compensate the first buyers. They found a lot of possible bugs, although it is a great handset
[Galaxy S II General] coocood:
I don't think non-NFC model will stop making.

W/O NFC that would be the carrier's choice,because none-NFC model must be cheaper.
[Galaxy S II General] ash969:
here's a link about nfc coming to the uk.

http://www.neowin.net/news/nfc-contactless-payments-come-to-the-uk

anything new about the nfc enabled galaxy s 2?
[Galaxy S II General] Bawezy:
Yeah NFC payments through iTunes lol. That sounds like a big flop already, I don't think Apple's going to have anything to do with this one, that's if they're smart enough to not invest to reinvent or manipulate a developing system.

Every country has their own payment methods like Chip and PIN with UK and Ireland which uses an EMV smart-card based payment system. An example of having to redesign something like that can take ages due to new regulations and other implementations.
[Galaxy S II General] dk206:
Lol you guys instead of bashing our heads on here you know that you can just go out and ask?

Orange- nfc enabled SgsII coming in 2weeks time.

With orange branding & firmware (obviously)

P.s 16gb model or 32gb the guys down in Orange wasn't 100% sure.
[Galaxy S II General] :
NO! Damn. I don't want the stench of branding on this phone. 16 is fine but I've been holding off buying one for the NFC so I can run this on AT&T. Any price difference between the non-NFC version?
[Galaxy S II General] dk206:
No one knows as Orange is the one to get it first I think (In the U.K)

If I find anything out especially from CPW since I'm going next tuesday for my SGS II exchange I'll let you know. watch this space
[Galaxy S II General] :
My thanks, sir. Any info is much appreciated.
[Galaxy S II General] tekcom:
Some interesting thoughts discussed here.

If I may add my $0.02.....

NFC in the UK is limited pretty much to London, and some of the secondary cities: Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool etc.

I agree with some of the other comments; unless you live in the larger cities, then NFC-enabled retailers will be few and far between.

I certainly think that by the time the technology has grown prolific enough to be widespead, we'd all be on newer handsets etc.

You've also got to ask yourself, why the take-up on the techology by the major banks / credit card companies not been more significant. As far as I know, Barclaycard are pretty much the only instituion to roll the cards out en masse. Although, I do appreciate that other banks may have started, Barclays began their roll out at least 4 years ago.

I've just ordered my SG2 from O2, and it probably won't come with NFC. I'll be a bit unhappy, but not really too much, as it's something that I don't think I would use for at least 6 months.

No doubt, the technology is amazing, and I would love to get chance to play about with it, I don't think it warrants me returning my handset for a replacement in June, not with the hassle of dealing with O2 returns. :rolleyes:

I'd be more interested in the 32Gb ROM instead :D
[Galaxy S II General] Lagu:
Seen the tech in the local Cafe Nero, and I live out in the middle of nowhere :)
[Galaxy S II General] tekcom:
Wow....Cafe Nero huh??

Anywhere else???
[Galaxy S II General] dk206:
Clintons have it on their counter. London
[Galaxy S II General] hshah:
NFC is going to grow a lot in London over the next 6 months because of the Olympics as London is preparing for that.
[Galaxy S II General] tekcom:
dk206: the key clue in your statement was "....in London"
[Galaxy S II General] Lagu:
Well I'm in Lincolnshire (also known as the armpit of the UK)
[Galaxy S II General] dk206:
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[G Tablet General] Enectic:
I originally purchased my G-Tablet as something to hold me off until the Honeycomb tablets came around. After looking at the alternatives there's really not much to "upgrade" to.

Asus Transformer - the most viable option however no USB (blah, use my G-Tab hooked up to my TV at times so I need a USB port for my wireless keyboard/mouse) and I'm not interested in spending an additional $150 just to have a USB port. Sure the screen is nice but I really haven't had any complaints with the G-Tablet screen under normal use.

Acer Iconia A500 - another good tablet however it's twice the price I paid ($225) for my G-Tablet. It's heavier, physically bigger, and overall battery life is not as good as the G-Tablet. The wifi (according to reports) is also fairly weak which sucks as my router is not in the most convenient location.

Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 - I had high hopes for this one and although a very sexy tablet, I've now crossed it off my list as an upgrade option. It's been confirmed to have a Tegra 2, no USB, no HDMI, and no microSD card slot.

After going through all the alternatives it seems the only thing these really offer over what I currently have is Honeycomb and with the recent developments concerning Honeycomb on the G-Tablet, the G-Tablet itself may very well have Honeycomb too. To tell you the truth though, I wouldn't be to bummed out if we never get it. Which brings another high point in regards to the G-Tablet: the developer support! I'm certain the other tablets will eventually catch up but the developer support is amazing for the G-Tablet and I've had a ton of fun just trying out new ROMs! Anyway, I believe the G-Tablet is the best Android tablet for the money right now and looks like I'll be keeping it for a while!
[G Tablet General] pitamakan:
Pretty much agreed. It'll be a different story a few months from now, but for the time being the gTab is still the best price/performance combo out there!
[G Tablet General] aasoror:
Welcome to the fanboi club :rolleyes:
[G Tablet General] acomiskey:
They're supposed to be releasing an adapter that plugs into the dock port giving you a usb port.....also, you can use the included dock cable and attach a female to female connector and it gives you a functional usb port. Or just pony up for a bluetooth keyboard/mouse. Havent picked up my gtab since I got the transformer.
[G Tablet General] Enectic:
True but there's no release date or price on the adapter yet. As far as using the dock and a female to female it seems to be very hit or miss. People appear to get very few things working with that method which doesn't bode well for the flash drives and HD's I also connect to my tablet. I could buy a bluetooth but that would just add more cost to the item. With all things being said I think I'll save my money for the Tegra 3 tablets supposedely coming later this year.
[G Tablet General] xmr405o:
lol. I hate you guys! :p ;)
[G Tablet General] xmr405o:
$225??? you better keep it haha. That's a great price. I think this is the only time that patience will actually payoff for me and for all of us. :D
[G Tablet General] jacindc:
Ditto. I bought my gTab very early on (mid November), thinking it would tide me over until Spring and Honeycomb. Now I plan to keep it through its one-year anniversary, and wait for an ICS tablet. If it lets me. :-)

I'm also now going to hold onto my Nexus One (14 months old) until the Nexus 3 comes out with ICS. Just see no reason to get rid of The Greatest Phone Evah before that new toy arrives.

So, thanks, Google, you're saving me a nice chunk of change over the next few months!
[G Tablet General] scyld:
First post on the fora here, excited to get hacking (err cracking?) on making my G-Tablet everything I want it to be!

You got an incredible deal on your tablet, $225... of course you need not me to tell you that. I got mine for $270, and that was a pretty great deal.

I was already fairly sure about purchasing my G-Tab before, and the more and more I'm looking at the alternatives the more sure I am of the purchase.

Another aspect I like is the inexpensiveness of the accessories. For $38 you can get the Malata Zpad Dock that attaches to the proprietary port and acts like an upright stand holding the tablet in portrait mode. It has a USB port, an HDMI out port, and, quite unique for a tablet, an ethernet port. This is the feature that clinched it for me, as there will be times when I will wish to access a wired network with no wifi connection available. In addition, I'll use the HDMI port to output Power Point presentations to a projector.

And then there's also the $28 kick stand and keyboard combo that makes the tablet feel like a netbook. Granted, the case which holds it all together can't really be used as a protective case because the clips hold the device in too poorly, and it's not nearly as nifty as the Asus Transformer's plug-in keyboard and touchpad combo. Also it doesn't offer an extra battery, of course. However, it's a heck of a lot cheaper, and at least you don't need it for USB ports (how odd is it that the Transformer has an on-board mini HDMI port but not an on-board USB port?).

I'm really excited to hear that an internal GPS chip is supported by both the firmware and the hardware, though I'm a bit miffed that I have to buy and install it myself rather than just using the capability right out of the box. Still, that's another purpose the G-Tablet will fill for which I do need a device.
[G Tablet General] pitamakan:
Proud to be a member. :D
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Just wanted to report that at last, after months of crashing, 3 device swaps and trying 2 different cards in my DVP the issues with my phone seem to have gone by swapping to a Sandisk class 2 32GB card.

With the 7392 update I was able to create a backup point and with the confirmed class 2 Sandisk I swapped from the installed Transcend card and since then I have used wifi to download a 70MB game, synced wirelessly, browsed the web, used several applications with no signs of the crashes I would typically have had with my previous card. There have been a few slowdowns and 1 instance where tapping a tile would not open but apart from that it is light years away from my previous experience with the phone crashing all the time and I can now actually enjoy the phone.

All in all, it has been a frustrating, painful experience and all I can say is, if you are having problems and are willing to forgo the warranty try a card swap with a class 2 Sandisk card. You just might get a working phone out of it and actually get to enjoy WP7.

Edit: I take it all back, right now I'm looking at a dvp that wakes up to a black screen, earlier today I had a typical hard lock when trying to turn wifi off. Problems reduced but not gone completely.
[Venue Pro General] missionsparta:
Im doing it, and just as I posted in the other thread.... the phone locked up and specifically states to "REMOVE THE MEMORY CARD". Void warranty, my arse. Took pictures of the screen to cover my but and everything. It is on them now. Don't care... doing what the product tells me to do....
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
:)

Now I can die in piece.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Dont go just yet, lets see what happens with the firmware update, Mango - will I keep the DVP, will I go Nokia...oooh, the suspense! :)
[Venue Pro General] raremage:
I'm guessing you could turn a tidy profit selling copies of that photo to the bulk of people on this board.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
heheheh....you're right....but...I've seen Mango on the Dell VP already.....can't wait.
[Venue Pro General] neogodless:
I'm an idiot! I ordered a 32GB SDHC card from Amazon. Got it yesterday. Yeah - not "micro." I was like "Ooo $47!" So yeah, re-ordered $60 micro...

If you want 16GB, check out this Class 2 from buy.com - buy.com/prod/sandisk-16gb-microsdhc-card/q/loc/101/209114572.html

Hopefully I'll be back in a week, talking about how great the 32GB card I got was. Unfortunately, I already ran the 7392 update, so I won't get a "backup" when I put that new card in. Lose a week's worth of text messages. Oh well, I tend to delete my girlfriend's conversation every few days because it gets super long and starts to act a little strange.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Hahahah...man, I did hte exact same thing. I now have a 32g SD card...sitting here...waiting for my tablet....when I get one!!!
[Venue Pro General] hipzilla:
I'll wait until the 18th (again) and if Dell doesn't say anything about a firmware update I'll go ahead and swap my SD card as well. I've had this phone since late December and have not been able to reliably use WiFi. This wouldn't be a huge deal if T-Mobile had 3G coverage all around Virginia Beach, but it doesn't and using the DVP on EDGE is a ****ty experience. EDGE at home, EDGE at work, and WiFi everywhere teasing me and my DVP. If T-Mobile had another WP7 device with a similar screen/size to the DVP I'd eBay this thing in an instant.

@efjay - If you find that over the next few days you continue to get crashes with your new SD card, could you update this thread?
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Just did. Short version - phone still crashes.

Edit: It gets worse. Phone crashed about 10 minutes ago so had to power down by holding power button. Now the people hub and all my messaging accounts wont open, just kick me back to the start screen, even when trying to open their settings. Fantastic!!

Edit 2: here is the result of my latest crash, unable to access email or SMS. http://www.vimeo.com/23743865
[Venue Pro General] Zephnath:
I finally decided to do it (mainly cause I was getting freezes even without Wi-Fi too), and it works great. SanDisk 16GB MicroSD Class 2 works perfectly. I've done my best to overload the phone with downloads via Wi-Fi, and things went smoothly with nothing more than a 1 second hiccup.
[Venue Pro General] hipzilla:
That's pretty disappointing news. I guess Dell has us by the balls a little longer. :(