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[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
*****ing won't, but asking the right questions and showing that you are not the only one who is after this definitely gets some attention.

Kane4fire,

I really like your passion, it's just about making sure your message is heard and that you don't look like a troll.

Please look at some of the work I've been doing with Motorola, it's slow going but we are getting noticed.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/motorola-bootloader/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/motorola-promises-unlocked-bootloaders-for-future-android-phones/

http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/

http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto

Cheers,

Irwin
[Atrix 4G General] kane4fire:
Irwin, I have been seeing a lot of your work and group and etc. Personally, I'm not 100% convinced on them unlocking the bootloader for the Atrix since all the articles stated 'late 2011 releases' and the Atrix is early 2011.

The whole point of my post was for people who do post things and have some sort of a following to actually do something and post up as well on their own avenues. If you lose your dog, you don't just tell one or two people, you tell everyone and everything you can and it creates an exponential chain of people who end up knowing about it.

I personally know for a fact that at least in a small regional area they haven't done well with the XOOM and Atrix AT ALL and much of it actually has to do with Blur and it's problems with memory usage, battery life, and general lack of UI polish. I am sure that once the figures are out it will reflect how poorly they have been doing. It's a corporation and money is their motivator/reason for existence. I am sure if they hurt enough they will bow.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Absolutely. I haven't ceased any of my activities since that PR mumbo jumbo they gave me.

I have a few contacts within Motorola that are being difficult to get a hold of, so I keep sending emails, I keep calling (international calls for me), I keep my facebook group going, I keep tweeting and spreading as far as I can.

I hope you also have similar luck in spreading the word and getting people to rally to the cause, just make sure not to dilute the message too much or get people opposed to you.

Good luck my friend, it's good to see the fire burns strong for you.
[Atrix 4G General] knigitz:
Not to doubt your ability to read and understand the English language, but here is the actual quote:

“Motorola will enable an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on Motorola Xoom, in future software releases where carrier and operator partners will allow it,” Motorola said in a statement provided to Wired.com. “It is our intention to include the unlockable/relockable bootloader in software releases starting in late 2011.”

Is the Atrix a software release? No. Maybe they will be pushing OTA updates starting in late 2011 which will allow for this.
[Atrix 4G General] kane4fire:
Well, my mistake. I haven't been able to sleep. Either way, their choice of wording still doesn't mean they will actually provide the unlock since they have to convince the carrier to unlock it. I don't know what their terms were with AT&T, but why would they need permission to unlock a bootloader when it has nothing to do with the cellular network? AT&T is obviously going to say no on the matter since it means less possible anything for them to deal with. Then again I don't know. Maybe it was apart of the deal that they would lock the bootloader as a package to offer the phone on a particular network.
[Atrix 4G General] knigitz:
Neither you or any other Atrix owner is entitled to an unlocked bootloader from Motorola. Just saying: You're not. At the same time, you're well within your rights to crack it yourself, or just get a different phone.

Edit: I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice of Motorola to package a completely open bootloader with the Gingerbread update. It would.
[Atrix 4G General] chromedome00:
This absolutely does have something to do with AT&T. The AT&T Atrix was "built" for AT&T. There are contractual agreements in place.

So if AT&T says no, that is the answer. If you want a phone with an unlocked bootloader (in this case) then you need to buy one that will be unlocked - either the carrier approved it, or maybe we see an unlocked phone that is not tied to a carrier.

If you buy an AT&T (or other carrier) branded phone, then you are going to be stuck with that carriers decisions.
[Atrix 4G General] Tylerjd:
You say that, but then again there are many other Android phones on AT&T that /do/ have an unlocked bootloader. Captivate, Aria, Inspire, galaxy tab and most likely the Infuse. So again, maybe AT&T doesn't care and its up to the manufacturers.

Sent from my screaming Atrix *4G* using the XDA App
[Atrix 4G General] SomeGut:
I am lost......if bloatware and motoblur are the issues you have with the phone why not just get rid of or freeze the bloatware and try a different launcher or Ginger/grey blur? I haven't had to deal with motoblur for a while.
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
^^^ If Moto scapegoats AT&T over this, it would not be good for business.
[Atrix 4G General] holtenc:
It's rumored that Moto will be the manufacturer for the next generation Google Nexus branded device, which is supposedly to be released ~Q4 2011. Maybe this is what they are referring to. Who knows. All I do know is that quote from moto didn't say anything about the Atrix.

Holy ****. Longest, most rambling sentence I've ever seen.
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
Other att phones have locked bootloaders but they where easily exploited. Htc and the other manufacturers are making them harder and harder to unlock. Att most likely is in contract with moto to keep it locked. With it locked they have more chances of making more money off the bloatware.
[Atrix 4G General] jbe4:
yeah, why should people who plunk down hundreds of dollars be able to do what they want with something they own?

the nerve of some people wanting to use their devices as they see fit.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
You pay for the product, not the ability to tweak it to your heart's content. You don't see a $200 iPhone coming readily available to modify, do you? No. You have to jailbreak it first, if there's a jailbreak available.

As for kane's comment about motorola saying they'd unlock the bootloader from "near the beginning".... there was never such a statement that i've seen. I've seen stuff on the Motorola Owners Forum stating that a possible bootloader solution was being looked into... but nothing more than that. period.
[Atrix 4G General] jbe4:
by paying for the product I've paid to do what I want with it - If I want to use it as a way of leveling a kitchen chair thats my prerogative.

I think its just as patently offensive that Apple does it too

regardless, Android was/is billed as the Open Source alternative specifically to address the nonsense that is the itunes store and the draconian oversight of overbearing manufacturers. To have individual manufacturers go against the spirit of what google was/is trying to accomplish when they released AndroidOS seems just a bit ridiculous, dont you think?
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
I have no idea where you read this or how you could have assumed this, given that no Moto phone has been easily unlocked except the OG Droid. The Droid X still isn't unlocked and will most likely never be.
[Atrix 4G General] aimer:
The atrix is great. But keeping the bootloader locked and delaying the gingerbread release for a long time will really lower its value compared to the other dual core phones that are almost in full force. If motorola really wants people to keep buying their phones passed the "great hardware before everyone else" mark they only have to look at their competition.
[Atrix 4G General] knigitz:
You are entirely correct, by paying for a product with a locked bootloader, you can do anything you want with it. But the fact remains, you purchased a product with a locked bootloader. It's not Motorola's fault, it's yours.

To put it into context, if you buy a car that can only go 120mph max, you really shouldn't be harassing the car manufacturer because you want the car to go 160mph. You can customize it yourself, that is perfectly legal (though it will void warranty), but you bought the product AS IS.

If Motorola is nice enough (and let's hope they are) to remedy this situation with an OTA update, that would be totally awesome. Otherwise, you still purchased this phone with a locked bootloader, so deal with it, or do something productive.
[Atrix 4G General] aerojoe420:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that OP's frustration is misguided, I don't think att or motorola is the ones pulling the strings so much as it is google. You guys should read up on the skyhook vs. google case. It revealed emails between google and moto that suggests google is forcing everything on moto because they want to make sure they can get data off of our phones for free which they can sell to marketing/advertising companies. TBH I try to block all there data gathering and if I need to get gps to sync I just use old fashioned agps(like i used to on winmo) and it works great best part about it is google doesn't make money off of my data w/o having to "pay exorbitant fees"(googles own words). IMO if they want to make money off my data then they should pay part of my data fees on my cell phone bill. Google has final say and can change parts of contract as they see fit.

thisismynext dot com /2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/
[Atrix 4G General] jbe4:
I bought it to do Dev work on it and to see the viability in porting my iOS apps over to the Android platform. it enticed me because it was the first dual core phone on the market, and I figured it, if any phone, would finally be the polished Android Device the market needs. Sadly, I have to rely on Cydia to sell my iOS apps because the programs I write need hardware access that isn't allowed with apples (or apparently moto's) TOS

poor analogy

a more apropos one would be buying a car that can do 160mph but is artificially limited to 120mph.

this is the problem imho. attitudes like yours are basically what has ruined the american electronic mod-scene for the past quarter century. by blindly accepting a crippled device without complaint you're enabling other manufacturers to do the same.

Its really sad because my Atrix just sits in its box, unused, because I get better results using the Android SDK with an emulator than actual hardware.
[Atrix 4G General] knigitz:
You knew you were buying a product with a locked bootloader, stop blaming Motorola.

If you are worried about porting your iOS apps over to Android, you can still do that. Unlocking the bootloader will not give you access to anything special except flashing custom roms and modifying the linux kernel.

Attitudes like mine? You purchased a product with a locked bootloader, then blame the manufacturer because you want an unlocked bootloader. Again, your fault.
[Atrix 4G General] jbe4:
no I didnt. but I'm glad you know what I knew at the time of ordering one at CES.

actually since I can't modify anything in the /system partition because of the hash checks I can't do what I need to do. Works on the Nexus S no problem
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
you should have done your homework then. no one expected an unlocked bootloader.
[Atrix 4G General] Unkkut:
I see "Mel Gibson" mode is about to kick on in a second.
[Atrix 4G General] binary110:
knigitz, why bother trolling? these people are expressing their grief, and you keep telling em to live with what they chose.

We get that the choice is made, but often cannot be un-made.

Please go troll somewhere else, I think this place should be reserved for people who are looking for a solution, not for people who want to say i told you so to everyone as fast as possible.

I personally own a Motorola Atrix as well, and would like to see the bootloader unlocked. But only because i would like to remove motoblur, as well as try gingerbread, before 2012.
[Atrix 4G General] dasnitin:
Keep it going!!

I hope your effort pays off.
[Atrix 4G General] Made2Last:
Manufacturers build phones for carriers.
[Atrix 4G General] dasnitin:
Thanks Irwin for all the good work. You make me proud.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
I'm still wondering where the OP got his original idea that Motorola has "explicitly" stated that they were going to unlock the bootloader from near the beginning. The only thing even REMOTELY close to that which was said prior to the phone's release was along these lines.... in an article posted on January 20th:

So.... tell me.... exactly wtf is that promising? The only thing i can see that it's vaguely leaning towards the possiblity of being under remote consideration is that they have heard the opinions of a very small minority of their users, and are looking into it. No promises of having an unlocked bootloader from the start. No promises of an unlocked bootloader shortly after launch. No promises of ANYTHING! So why the hell are we still having this conversation?

No.... i don't see how that's a better analogy. Not to mention car speeds are quite often limited, and i don't really remember hearing anyone complain about them. Just like he said... you can easily GET a car that's limited to 120 to do 160... just don't count on having a warranty for the drivetrain afterwards.

And i don't know what you might have heard at CES.... but apparently from what i quoted above, people were upset about the bootloader being locked.... from what they saw in a video posted on Youtube.... from CES. Either way you look at it, there are two things here leaning seriously out of your favor in the discussion:

1) You had early adopter's syndrome.... bought something without knowing every fact about it.... and now because of bits and pieces you don't like, you're complaining and blaming the manufacturer for it.

2) You claim that you "ordered one at CES". Ok. I don't recall being able to order stuff at CES... but that's beside the point. CES was around the beginning of January, correct? And the Atrix was released.... the beginning of March? So you're also trying to say that in those two months, you had your phone on order.... and completely ignored everything about the phone? You didn't happen to see something about the bootloader being locked and no concrete resolution of that fact in sight and think "Hmm... maybe i shouldn't get it"?

I'm sorry. I know the bootloader being locked is rough (......*shrug*....), but as it's been said many, many, many times.... the Droid X is still locked... so what made you think that somewhere along the line from it's announcement to it's release that the Atrix was going to be a completely different story from the get-go?
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
LOL @ this thread...

I think we all dream of having an unlocked bootloader

Someone close this thread.
[Atrix 4G General] Mafisometal:
seriously, people need to get over it. If the devs find an exploit then we're good. If moto is willing to put out an OTA that unlocks it, even better. It's just pointless to ***** and complain about something that MOST likely will never happen.

If you don't like the phone then either sell it on craigslist or a dev here. I'm pretty sure they'll be glad to take it and some other guy will take your problems rights out of your hands so you can quit *****ing like an old woman.

Sorry but why the hell are you in this forum if its not for productivity. This forum is all about pushing the developer front, not about pointless arguments about something not going your way. What are you producing to this forum!? Is your rant going to benefit us....NO. If you're so pissed off, then do this...get about $1,000...go get a hooker from the corner, and send her to Moto dev's to get the codes...then IF you get the unlock code, you may have the right to post! If you're not posting for our benefit then don't even post here!
[Atrix 4G General] mrphil101:
wow Mafiso,,, having a bad day? I agree the bootloader topic has been beat to death, and to post that it is strictly a Motorola issue is an uniformed post. But the is the general section, not the developers threads, i think he has a much right to post his opinion, however worthless in your opinion, as you do to post something as useless to development as your retort. It's not right to tell someone they are not welcome here because you don't value his opinion. It is a open forum after all.
[Atrix 4G General] Saschwatch:
While some people might be extreme, if we stay quiet so will Motorola.
[Atrix 4G General] mrphil101:
Barking up the wrong tree. It is not Motorola. They build a device and the carrier tells them what "features" they want. The bootloader is like that because the carrier wants to control how the phone is used. When we were just flashing roms and taking out thier bloatware it wasn't a problem. Once things starting happening where the things they charge for were getting circumvented, then they needed a way to stop that, i.e., the bootloader. Motorola will be releasing some "access" later this year, but it may not affect our phones, and even if it does, they won't release it to us, but to att to do whatever with. How far do you think it will go after that? best hope is in the Dev's.

And no, I am not sticking up for the carriers. I think they are greedy ba**ards, with at&t leading the pack. But, I can understand why they want to do what they are doing.

You are in the front of the line. Most of those following will be seeing their phone regardless of carrier, with possibly a couple of exceptions, having some type lock on them.
[Atrix 4G General] BBock9:
Shouldn't even matter soon enough. BL bypass is close to complete...it was just posted in the dev section.
[Atrix 4G General] OSNPA:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13791002&postcount=1
[Atrix 4G General] banes:
Ya I honestly feel the petition and online ranting strategy is pointless, why? Because all ur complaining runs contrary to ur actions, u already bought atrix and are on att, your lips may say no we wont go but ur wallet is telling the corporations yes plz rape me more bdsm style, if u want to make a difference NEVER BUY MOTOROLA AGAIN, tell ur friends why NEVER BUY MOTOROLA AGAIN, go Samsung or HTC, think about it from the corporations perspective which is in it to win it big money style, customers are only so much a priority as far as maximizing their profits go, think about their biz meeting about our issue, so locked bootloader should we do it? We will generate more funds from our master att so yes, downsides? We might have a small minority of tech geeks *****ing about it on forums but they will still buy it because its the first dual core for att roflmaosjzkksnkznwjf k lock it n tell em unlocked bootloader runs contrary to our biz strategy kthxbi! Oh noes the geekz r upset lets tell them we'll look into it rolmaoxhsjjddnjj those suckers, sir were getting reports from the forums that ppl think we said were actually going to unlock bootloader roflmaosjzndj let the geeks fantastical wishful thinking be their downfall as they buy more of our overpriced crap!!!

Seriously imagine the bus boycotts for the blacks, can u imagine it being half as successful if their strategy was to continue supporting the buses financially, the lifeblood of any biz, and just *****ing about it toeach other?

I made the mistake of not fighting back by buying into it before doing my research and I accept responsibility for that unlike many hear but now I'm informed and instead writing emails and signing petitions that will fall on deaf ears, I will hit them where it counts and take it elsewhere, and if anyone wants to counter that atrix didn't sell well neway and still no boot keys, I assure u its not because of the lock that sales were poor, ask 5 random ppl what a bootloader is, I assure u none will know, this is 5 strangers not others in ur tech circle, and motorola knows this, we are a minority
[Atrix 4G General] kane4fire:
That is the exact reason for my post. To hit them where it hurts. I understand I already bought the Atrix and it's too late to get my money back but I want to keep others from making my mistake and supporting a company that would lock down a product dramatically and also insinuate things (I believe in March was when I read it) just to lure customers that they couldn't deliver. Their facebook page is a complete waste of marketing because every comment on there is to unlock the bootloader, that is a LOT of money and time that goes down the drain and really all it does is make Motorola look bad. So ya, I'm glad I posted this and I'm glad that people have taken out a major avenue for advertisement for them. I hope it continues so that they either unlock all devices for everyone or at least so the worlds manufacturers don't try to lock them again in future devices.

We are the minority and Motorola knows this, but when people google Motorola Atrix and a bunch of posts come up about people pissed at the device because of the device, even if they don't know what a bootloader is, they will still have reservations about buying the device. Some customers who don't know anything about phones will come up to a sales agent every single day and mention they heard bad things about MotoBlur and they don't even know what MotoBlur is. That is what I hope happens with the term locked bootloader. The word "locked" itself bring about immediate bad connotations to people regardless if they know what is locked or not.

To those saying complaining and spreading the word doesn't get anything done and is a waste of time, you guys have no clue and since you hate complaining, stop complaining about the people complaining. I want something done so I want to say what I want done. You don't want anything, so you have no need to say anything...yet you still do.
[Atrix 4G General] kane4fire:
Also, since we are such a small minority, how much could it hurt AT&T or Motorola anyway to shut us up?

Maybe they should pull an Apple and "accidentally" leak an SBF with the unlock that they were testing at a bar and "accidentally" have a dev pick it up and have it.
[Atrix 4G General] mrphil101:
did you hear that the HTC sensation is locked too. Not just moto phones. Going to have a slim selection as time goes on. Want a chance to have your voice heard? You can fill out a form that is reviewed in ATT's attempt to purchase t-mobile. If there was enough input there, that might get some attention. Only have until the 22nd I think. I posted a link here somewhere. Not very much input there at all last time I looked. Less than 200 submissions I believe. Nothing is going to come out of a petition to moto. they have already said if you don't like it go buy elsewhere. see first line again.