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[T-Mobile LG G2x] C0dy:
Sent. I've got 4 more, just PM me if you want it (thanks are also appreciated.)
[T-Mobile LG G2x] rajanprash:
I would like one as well if anyone has one to spare.TIA.

rajanprash@gmail.com
[T-Mobile LG G2x] gringo75:
4 avail pm me
[T-Mobile LG G2x] rapidreinsta:
Can someone please send me a google music invite ?

Thanks a ton to whosoever helps...

ralphastic.life AT gmail DOT COM
[T-Mobile LG G2x] bunglebp:
If anyone has a spare invite, can you PM me or email me at bunglebp@yahoo.com,

VERY much appreciated :)

Thanks
[T-Mobile LG G2x] hadoob024:
I actually have 8 invites if anyone wants.

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Just sent you one.

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Sent you one too.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] aceofserenity:
acespade1@gmail.com

Thanks in advance! :D
[T-Mobile LG G2x] hadoob024:
Just sent one.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] pottyvick:
I have 3 invites left too :)
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Thee ErickO:
I got 6 to give out if anyone is interested pm me
[T-Mobile LG G2x] alx8888:
If anyone has any invites left -- id really appreciate one -- alexwasright@gmail.com -- Thanks
[T-Mobile LG G2x] doodwind:
if anyone can send me invite - serdtsev(at)gmail.com

Thanks!
[T-Mobile LG G2x] jbradleyheater:
heath.jbradley@gmail.com

..if u still got any :)
[T-Mobile LG G2x] paddde:
If anyone has a google music invite left:

patake.hiq@gmail.com

Thanks
[T-Mobile LG G2x] pottyvick:
Invite Sent.

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Invite sent.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] FormeriPhoney:
Can anyone spare an invite please?

J.Loiacono80@gmail.com

Greatly appreciated!!
[T-Mobile LG G2x] shovelhead83:
What's it for?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] fortunejr:
Anyone have any more invites? I will pm you email.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] pottyvick:
I have some invites left... pm me.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] fortunejr:
I pm'd you.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] pottyvick:
Invite Sent
[T-Mobile LG G2x] gringo75:
invites

got few left hmu. pm
[T-Mobile LG G2x] installerman:
I just pm'd you.

Thx...
[T-Mobile LG G2x] magikfISH:
If anyone still wants I have some invites left as well email me at ishque21588 gmail.com
[Nook Color Themes and Apps] Garoto1973:
I installed Asphalt 5 HD on my rooted and OC 1.1 NC (running stock Froyo). However, it is not scaling correctly.

I tried the Spare Parts app I saw in another thread to enable compatability mode but it didnt change it.

Has someone been lucky with this game at full screen?
[Nook Color Themes and Apps] Cheese Masterj:
Did you reboot after enabling compatibility mode in Spare parts? What version of Asphalt 5 are you running?

I use 3.18, and it works quite well on CM7 7.03.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weatherx:
one sided promise from microsoft (re:updates) is pure fail. all parties should be brought onboard and each held accountable

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-partners-with-oems-and-carriers-to-guarantee-android-upda/
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Wow, I saw AT&T on the picture, I must relook at it.:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
It will never happen because all the OEM's and carriers involved seem to want Microsoft and WP7 to fail.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nowei:
Look at the Zune hardware. My brother had a Zune since Day 1 and he got every update and new release from Microsoft, no problem. I don't think it's a Microsoft issue, I think it's a carrier issue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well, that announcement says Android phones will be supported for 18 months. It doesn't say updates will be instant, OEMs won't take weeks to develop ROMs and carriers won't take weeks "testing" them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weatherx:
if you read the live update, it says:

"12:34PM New guidelines! Man, this is going to be huge. Google's laying out a timeline for how long it'll take a device to get updated once a new build is let loose, as well as how long it'll be updated beyond that."
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Google and Apple are both more powerful and influential in the mobile space than Microsoft right now. I don't think Microsoft is really in the position to dictate anything to anyone right now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
And what exactly are these guidelines? Three days for a new ROM from HTC with a new Sense on it?

I mean, this is great news for Android, but there's nothing so far that says anything real about what the update experience will be.

I know it's trendy to bash MS, but WP7 has seen four updates already. And the last one was cumulative, by the way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] npoe:
I don't know, I have been receiving my updates when MS release them; other than the first one that took one or two weeks every other have been the same day (but I’m not in USA).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-clarifies-18-month-android-upgrade-program-details-far-f/

When pressed about how long it'd take updates to flow to phones after given the thumbs-up by Google itself, there's no hard news to report. In fact, the details there are still being hashed out.

To quote Google, "It's a logistics problem." We can only imagine. Trying to get every Android partner to follow a timeline for releases has to be a complete and utter nightmare, but the company seems certain that these stipulations won't cripple anyone's ability to innovate on their skins (or have too little time to make the needed changes).

We would've loved to hear a specific figure that we could start holding phone manufacturers to, but alas, it isn't to be. The only hard number thrown out today is 18 months. That's how long future hardware will be in the support cycle (at least, anyway), so you'll "soon" be able to count on your next Android device receiving all applicable updates for 1.5 years after purchase.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
The guideline is yet to be hashed out. That's why they practically included everyone in the group to come up with a guide line. The only reason AT&T is included is because AT&T wants to make sure the final guideline doesn't put it in the spotlight again, like must release updates within 6 months of Google release :) That will never happen. I'm pretty sure the final guide line will be 12-month (from Google release the code and you see it on your phone), i.e. totally worthless and waste of time. Android is an open source platform, Google has no say about who can use the code and when they need to release the updates. The only thing Google can do is withheld Android market support.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
And if they take longer than the set time frame? What happens?
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
Nothing would happen. It is called guide line, not rules.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Well then, that'll really be a game changer then... /sarcasm

Where is the news in this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sketchy9:
There is none. FWIW MS has "guidelines" on updates as well, i.e. that carriers cannot block two consecutive updates.

-R
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I smell a publicity fail from Google.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bill.g:
Well I have a wp7 and an android phone, I have to say there is no reason the OEMs cannot make their addtions such as the sense UI to be a replacement, that can be removed and updated seperately from the core OS. If they did that then it would allow for quicker updates.

In the past there were almost no updates done to phone other than small ones that were carrier specific (ie settings or patches) but major upgrades did not really happen. I would not be surprised if eventually updates to the phones to start costing money, much like a new version of OS X or a new version of windows does on a PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It's not a timeline.

It's just enforcing devices to be supported for 18 months.

It doesn't mean the manufacturers/carriers will have x amount of days after an android update to release said update. They can still release a phone with FroYo, and take 17 months to release gingerbread for that phone.

Also, it depends on whether the device's hardware supports the update and knowing Andorid manufacturers like HTC they'll just put a ROM chip too small to take any major updates in the phone, etc. Your Evo 4.0 can't support Sense 3.0? Good luck getting that update! HTC will not "downgrade" an Evo 4G from Sense 2 to Stock Android...

They are still trying to get the details panned out, but I'm not getting my hopes up. There are still phones out there sending SMS/MMS to the wrong contacts because the manufacturers don't even prioritize security updates for their phones (which, IMO, is a MUCH bigger issues than even large feature updates...). Android is a huge, hot mess when it comes to updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Are you a developer?

Those aren't themes. They're deep customizations many of which have access to parts of the system that would require a "normal" app to run with Super User permissions. You can't release much of that as an App in the marketplace... Not to mention, they would just end up getting pirated by everyone and at worse breaking a bunch of phones that weren't designed to run the software (freezing them, reboot loops, making them unbootable, etc.).

There's also the issue of drivers, because different manufacturers use dispirate hardware configurations with screens, SoCs, cameras, etc. from dispirate sources. Getting all of that to work on an update is MUCH harder than getting the skins functional.

You people (generally speaking) really think the skins are the issue? They are not. Android (specifically, Linux) is the issue. The skins are easy as hell. The latest Epic 4G Gingerbread Leak has a working TouchWiz, but most of the phone/smartphone functionality is broken. That's a great example on just how easy porting the skins form version to version is. Skins typically aren't that sensitive to kernal ABI changes - device drivers ARE.

The fact that Android is based on Linux by default ensures that updates will have issues because it inherits many of Linux's issues. A Windows Mobile 6.0 update could in many cases just reuse drivers developed for Windows Mobile 5.0the same way Windows 7 can use many Windows XP drivers without any issues.

Linux doesn't have this type of backward/forward compatibility. That's why those leaked updates often have close to nothing working on them (No Wifi, no calls, no this, no that, etc.). Linux doesn't have a stable ABI for driver developers. Kernel updates can break any and/or everything. This means that the turnaround for updates is much longer than it will be for something like WP7.

The biggest issue with Android is the fact that Manufacturers and Carriers do not even prioritize critical security updates, and Google seems intent on not patching and quickly propagating patches for exploits used to root devices. Which is nice for tinkerers, but can be an issue when a malware uses that exploit on someone's device to perform malicious actions...
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I'm pretty sure they said timely updates. Which means they are going to work out some sort of guidelines on how long it takes for the updates to get pushed out. What that actually is remains to be seen though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
That's same reason why Windows Mobile failed. Depending on a phone manufacturer, whose primary expertise is hardware design and manufacturing, to make a complex software system work correctly and updates correctly and write their own customization on top of all that correctly. That's a huge (software) task on the wrong (hardware) guy. With the increasing competition, those phone manufacturers aren't likely to hire 1,000 programmers just to write software like Google and MS do. They probably have 10 guys who have to support 10 different phones at the same time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
Driver's are not my concern because they rarely cause major problems. The problem with Manufacturers not wanting to update OS/ROM is simply because they are swampped. Google does not deliver a software package on a CD so that they can easily install to the phone. Google delivers a very basic bare OS source code. Manufacturers need to pick the parts they wanted, assemble/compile them together and add the other necessary software to complete the package and make it a ROM image. Try out the Android emulator and you will know how much functionality is missing from the final products. When Google releases a new OS version, it takes a lot of work to combine that into the new ROM for a specific phone.

That's why I liked MS and Apples's approach to limit manufacturers' role in this.

BTW, I'd trust MS' driver more than any manufacturer's driver. Yes, MS driver maybe slow on performance but they are very stable. Majority of PC blue screen/crashes are caused by buggy 3rd party drivers. Yes, hardware makers know how to optimize the driver performance but they also lacks software skills to make the same driver stable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Re drivers, I would also prefer them to come from Microsoft, but that doesn't mean they have to be written by Microsoft. The problem with OEM/ODM drivers is that they have a history of saving a buck or two by not paying the likes of Qualcomm for licensing things. It's like you want your graphics card driver from ATI, not Toshiba.

Re updates, N8ter is absolutely right in pointing to Linux as a problem, and kernel updates are indeed a problem with the OS architecture. Also, I don't know if Android even has the tools such as the BSP to properly do testing and such stuff.

Granted, MS and some OEMs did screw up but with WinCE its at least possible to have multivendor updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
IIRC, MS published this statistics a while back. Whenever you get a crash that is not blue screen, you have the option to send the crash report to MS. That's how the numbers come from.

OEM drivers are the major problem in Windows desktop stability. That's the common knowlege. Yes, MS doesn't write most drivers. But for a few they do (generic storage drivers and USB drivers), they are never known to crash. That's also why MS continue to make OS kernel changes in Win7 so that some driver crashes won't bring down the entire OS that easily.

Everyone has their own prorities. For me, I've passed the age that wants to squeze out every bit of performance out of my components. I want ultimate stability. I want to my PC to never shutdown or require a reboot for as long as possible.

I expect the same from my phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Drivers are a problem for any OS' stability. They run in kernel mode and have the power to bring down the entire system.

Apps typically don't cause blue screens. They just crash and you start them back up again. It comes as no suprise that most of the blue screens are caused by drivers... Duh?

I haven't had a Blue screen in Windows 7, ever, and I'm still using some Windows XP drivers for components that aren't readily supported anymore.

Hell, I even used a Printer with Windows 98 drivers in Windows Vista and it performed flawlessly.

Windows has billions of installs on desktop computers and it enjoys the largest hardware support of any desktop OS. Yes, there are tons of drivers, good and not so good. But that does not make Microsoft more qualified to write drivers for equipment they didn't design and build and it certainly doesn't make the idea that they should write drivers for almost everything anything other than terribad.

I'm past the age where I want to get every ounce of performance as well. Unfortunately, it's not just about performance. It's about power management, power usage, and general efficiency of the implementation, in addition to allowing me to use all of my hardware and not just 1/3rd to half of it.

In Mobile devices this is even MORE important because things like battery life matter so much. A bad graphics driver can wreck havok on your battery life when it comes to hardware accellerated video/user interfaces and things like that. A bad radio driver can render a phone almost useless. A bad sound driver can make it hard to hear anything someone else is saying. A bad touchscreen driver can make using the phone a lesson in frustration.

The whole idea is just laughable.

Has nothing to do with how old you are or what you expect. Everyone expects the highest quality and most complete implementation possible.

Windows has to issue security updates should we cry about how insecure it is and switch desktop OSes because they have to issue updates, just like driver manufacturers?
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
I believe the OP was about the Google call for guidelines for updates and timelines and such and how MS should do the same.

It's already been pointed out that MS does/has done the same thing.

Can we please stop arguing about whose drivers are best? and N8ter, can you please not be so rude and condescending in your aberrant string of consciousness arguments that invariably take the post off topic?
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardcoreplur:
Redmond is already doing what google is purposing, m$ needs to do what apple does with their update, doing all testing internally then force the OEM to produce the hotfixes for any problems that come up
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
WP7 is no as fragmanted as Android OS so MS do nto need to do this, anyway the updates are coming from MS right now and always will...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No one's arguing. Why are you crying. Threads spawn internal discussions about other things all the time.

No one is forcing you to read it. We all know what the OP is about. That discussion was pretty much over before we started the off-topic discussion.

Bye.

Ugh... Whiners gonna whine, I guess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Compare the availability of the Microsoft services in the US and international markets and then you can speak of the fragmentation.

sent from an android device
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
What microsoft really needs is either one of these or maybe both:

1)The freedom to flash any Rom we like(custom,other OEM or stock rom).WP7 already released to the market for about 8months,I haven't seen any custom rom.

2)A secondary marketplace like Cydia for jailbroken Iphone,so we can install tweaks,fixes,cracked or homebrew apps.This also expand the functionality of the OS itself.I started missing the days with my jailbroken iphone 3G,download files and watch flash video using Safari,send files to other devices using bluetooth and drag and drop files from my pc to the device.

This is the 2 major reasons why android and ios are so successful.And M$ has none of these.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
That's not the reason at all - probably less than 1% of android/ios flash or use alternative markets...

$illy
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Pretty sure Apple and Google would love to get rid of those 2 "features" you just mentioned, and will continue working on it till they get it right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
are you joking?1%?not funny though.There are one third of ios users in China jailbroken their phones.

Furthermore,1more reason here for android.

Personally,i think that although google facing the problem of fragmentation.However,what if we look this issue from the other angle,in this world they are many users cant afford to buy a high end phone or differentiate the OSes,but android already quietly planted into the phone they bought which is cheap.

Besides,due to the free license of google android,many small/medium phone manufacturers can put this OS into their phones(this situation mostly happen in some developing countries).When you add up these numbers,it is a huge amount.

This is what Google plays well here,they know what they are targeting,it is the penetration of android OS in the world.However,M$ still using the strategy which they used to dominate PC market in mobile market,which is kinda fail.

To sum up,what we can say is WP7 is a good OS,but the marketing/procurement teams in M$ are not working together with the Mobile development teams.They are working separately or without any knowledge about what each other doing.

For example,why every update for Mac brings excitement to the users?however,i don't see any exciting or amazing stuff comes from Win 7 update.This has proved how well they present something and how well they deliver an information to the consumers.

@Avandor:sure,they would love to get rid of these things,but hey,these things already exist for ages,but no infringement or cases bring to the court.Cydia still doing well mate,now they even have their own paid apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
ok less than 10% still does not make your statements correct.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
99.9% PC users in China also pirate 100% of the software on their PC including the OS. Most western software companies pretty much make zero profit in Chinses market and they pretty much given up on that. So, whatever China does is not a reflection of the success or failure. FYI, for most of ppl I know using a jailbroken iPhone, their primary motive is to install pirated apps from 3rd party market, nothing else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Yeah, that's the rude and condescending attitude that we all know and expect from you. Way to go. troll on, n8ter, troll on...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
If come up with the numbers and accusations like this please provide teh source, otherwise it is all speculation and has no ground for argument.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
If everyone I know in China and every shops I visited that sells PCs are doing this, is that not a good enough indication?

The most common Smartphone OSes in China is Symbian and Windows Mobile. Consider China Mobile is world's largest carrier (as far as subscriber numbers go). Doesn't that make Symbian and Windows Mobile (not Windows Phone) the most successful mobile OS ever?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
And you know 99% of all the Chinese users?

If someone says: "I know a lot of people who downloaded Expandables", does it mean that 99% of the overall population has done the same?
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
Statistics is about sampling, not know it all. Maybe my sampling pool is not big enough but your accusation basically means no statistics in the world means anything to you because none of them are taking 100% sampling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
We know they are doing well and there is a nice share of people using them... that's what companies want to avoid.

We had the Thunderbolt, the Incredible S and now the HTC Sensation with its signed bootloader... and just give Apple enough time and they will make it work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Well if you want to approach it with a scientific point of you provide your survey results, the sampling pool, and how it is relevant to the overall population number (you know, if your survey pool is 10 people, and 9 downloaded a movie illegal it does not conclude that 90% of US internet users (roughly 240 million) are involved in illegal movie downloading activities).
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You should just do as I did. The "Ignore list" is an amazing feature. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
That's a load of BS. When was the last time you see anyone posted anything like that on a forum?

I'd say I surveyed 100+ ppl and none of them paid for any software on their PC (or phones). What's your numbers to suggest the otherwise?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Well it does not suggest that the region you survyed is a treasure throne for thieves, does it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
Never mind. You won't understand it. And keep dragging this thread further off topic.