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[EVO 4G General] Zabalba:
I never understood the hate on Sense. Or the hype on AOSP. Once your phone is rooted you can remove the bloatware.

"MY APP DRAWER OPENS SO MUCH FASTER THAN SENSE HERP DURP!!" Wow, what a performance increase...

When you end up trying to recreate the features you have on sense on Cyanogen you end up with the same performance as Sense.

I never noticed a huge "wtflolerskates" improvement in performance on Cyanogen. I think it's just placebo. Between the bugs and the lack of a great dialer, Sense does the same and more without the bugs. What are the Sense haters are going to say when GB officially comes out and now everyone has the same features but more on Sense?

Talk to me about AOSP on the EVO when it performs on par with current gen phones.

(troll bait)
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
When I first got my EVO I worked on a professional grade re-theme of Sense, not only because it was ugly but because the layout of Sense slowed down scrolling. Maybe not a lot but some. Truth is, Sense was sloppily put together. Sometimes there's graphics on top of graphics - this occurs a lot on scrollable lists (contact app, messaging app). I eventually gave up with that theme because of how badly the layout was thought out via the layout XMLs.

The sloppiness is everywhere. Facebook syncing is accomplished by injecting XML into the gmail contact book. So now anything that syncs to that is now filled with the useless and annoying XML. AOSP on the other hand uses a API to sync contacts via the official FB app. Much cleaner. Remember when the Sense twitter app went down because they used a older, unsupported way of logging in? Again, sloppy thinking and implementation. There's a ton of things like this thrown around Sense. Sense kind of feels like the super ugly chick who got implants and puts on a bucket load of make up. She kind of looks good from far away but once you get close..

AOSP may not have the flash, but what is there is clean. Plus I like to have a Google experience with a consistent experience. Most apps are built and designed around Nexus devices which are AOSP. Very few apps, if at all, are designed around the Sense UI. This may not matter much since UI guidelines on Android are pretty much non-existant but I have a feeling that it will be better enforced once Ice Cream and the new light based UI drops.
[EVO 4G General] Zabalba:
I admit I know nothing of coding. I wonder if your complaints about Sense 2.0 are improved in 3.0. Then again as far as I know it's still an overlay.

I understand your desire for consistency. And believe me I love the idea of running things on your mobile device efficiently. But functionality wise, to me Sense stock > Cyanogen stock. I've tired for long lengths and modded both to no end.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Let's recap, shall we?

Lawlz, u doodz likes teh senses?

Pro: Dood

Con: STFU

Pro: Teh senses is teh prettiez, but oh noze! AOSP gots day bad fuglies!

Con: Nuh uh! AOSP GOTS CLEANS! SENSES GOTS STUPID BLOATS!

Pro: NUH UH! SENSES GOTS TEH BESTEST WIDGETS EVEREST! Stupid Cyanogen. Y u no haz teh Widgets?

Con: Widgets r 4 teh assmunkies. Sides, LP gots widgets most sames as senses. You wanna be assmunkie, y u no just be AOSP assmunkie?

Pro: ....

Pro: I tink maybe integration? That is a word, right?

Con: ....

Con: are u stupid? Y u so dumb?

Pro: I'm no dumb, you elitist noob!

Con: I think maybe sometimes u don't know wat words mean.

Pro: yeah? you wait. HTC gonna gimmeduh updates. We see who is dumz then.

Con: HTC is stupid. They could no make nuffin good. Evar. They r dumz just like u. Stupid lenses flairs everywheres. I can't even see teh goddamned screen for cuz of teh stoopud lenz flairs thingses. Gah. My reeree cousin makes better designses and he poops his pants! Lawlz!

Pro: ....

Pro: Imma...Imma cry now. See wut you did? You made meh cry. U happeh u bastards?

Con: Is....is THIS what happeh feels like?

MOD: sigh. This thread haz beens cleansed. STFU douchenozzles, or else banhammer's comin for u.

Pro/con: don't censor me, bro. Sides, he's teh douchnozzle. All my opinions haz reasonableness.

And that, in a nutshell, is every Sense vs AOSP thread ever. The end.
[EVO 4G General] gatordpt:
The one thing I like about sense is that the contact pictures are not blurry. When I use aosp, the blurry Google and Facebook contacts photos irritate me.

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
You spelt stoopid wrong.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Well, now I just look like a reeree.
[EVO 4G General] bjb_nyj101:
AOSP Browser : Settings > Select User Agent > Mac/Linux Desktop

Sent from my HTC Evo 4G
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I don't understand your post?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt
[EVO 4G General] bkrodgers:
Actually, that's a problem on Sense too as far as I can see, but there's a workaround in that you can link a local contact with the picture to the Google contact. Google Contacts is what's causing the problem -- it resizes them when it syncs, so the problem would exist any time you're using Google Contacts alone. That linking feature is now a part of CM7 as well -- not sure if that's their add-on or if that's in AOSP.
[EVO 4G General] xxxmina:
forgot about the dialer.... it does kick ass....

also i use Browser for facebook.... FULL site...not mobile site.... a bit slower but way better than that POS facebook app
[EVO 4G General] ben.nesheim:
Using deck's rom for the past month or so i have had no issues adjusting from sense based roms to a asop launcher. Using laucher pro was kind of put to the side for a bit so i have no gripes with that part. Sense seems to slow the phone or at least visually slow it down. BUT sense does have a lot of options that kind of pull the "android" world together with other parts of our lives (facebook,twitter, Etc). Using sense 2.1 and 3.0 recently i like the way HTC has put the work to make sense look much more finished that the custom themed (nothing against the theme devs what so ever) stuff i have run on my phones. just my two cents
[EVO 4G General] VENOMENON_24:
Hahahaha! Made me smile.

Very true. I used to swear by Sense until dirkyd3rk helped me out and showed me a lot of things. I went to CM7 and now I swear by CM7. I loved the way Sense looked and felt. Now I love the way CM7 is so customizable and simple. Everything I liked on Sense, I can do on CM7. I loved the smartdial feature so now I have Go Dialer. Little things like that.

Hell, I used to date only blondes, but that changed when I met my fiance (the most beautiful woman on earth may I add). It's all preference. Sense is pretty, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
[EVO 4G General] Mercury133:
So ultimately what I'm getting is that it comes down to preference, and if I ditch it, then I should see a boost in performance, is that about right?

Sent from my fully pimped EVO 4g!

Ginger Ale Beta 2

Amon Ra 2.3
[EVO 4G General] ScrapMaker:
I noticed a significant difference in the way Mobile Shell 3D performed on Sense versus AOSP. Your experience may vary. Try them both out.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
You forgot about typing about:debug in the address bar but I got it and rockin decks ROM now thanks.
[EVO 4G General] xfullmetal17:
For me it's because Sense works. Personally, the only feature I really use with Sense is the toggles (because the notification bar 4G toggle is bugged on the ROM I'm using), the contact linking, and the flip-clock/weather widget.

Although if Ice Cream is anything like the tablet versions, I may just go AOSP for it. It may mean losing the flip-clock, but the rest of the sexiness of it makes up :D

Truth on the blonde vs. brunette comment as well, for me I prefer the blonde though (so Sense is a blonde then?)
[EVO 4G General] craig198:
i know it makes no sense to have sense. whats the sense anyway?
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
LMAO! Awesome.
[EVO 4G General] ScrapMaker:
I just tried MikG Sense 2.1 + 3.0 v1.04 ROM yesterday and all I can say is it is much slower than Deck's AOSP Gingerbread. Just dragging down the notification bar was slow to respond many times. The phone would also kill my Opera browswer in the background much quicker than with Decks... I can typically leave Opera open all day with no problem. Battery life also sucked... badly. This is using the new radio and PRI, (on both ROMs.)

I don't know how hard it will be to cope with Sense on the 3D when it arrives tomorrow...
[EVO 4G General] bparvin:
MikG 2.0 is night and day with 1.04. It has been super smooth for me. You might want to give it a shot.
[EVO 4G General] ScrapMaker:
How do you get the messaging icon on the lock screen to open up Handcent on Sense 3.0?
[EVO 4G General] tiato:
For me I like Sense because the email settings are a little more granular. For example, I can set "Peak time start" and "Peak time end" and their frequency to better meet my need. With AOSP, you can only set the frequency. I also prefer the Calendar widget in Sense over AOSP. As for battery life, I've had comparable results with both Sense (MikG, EViO) and AOSP (Deck's ROM in particular).
[EVO 4G General] ScrapMaker:
Ah, I don't use the mail app at all, because I only want to use push email. I had to get TouchDown for my Exchange email at work anyways.

The MAIN thing I miss when I'm on Sense ROMs is long-press back to force-close app....
[EVO 4G General] westlandnick:
There are 2 things in sense that I really like. I love the quick dialer option, and I love the weather/clock widget. Sense really does have a lot of good widgets built in, but I agree with most of the other replies in this thread that it really is just a personal preference. Probably the #1 advantage of using a sense is that everything works right.
[EVO 4G General] sshark:
Me too, are there any hardware mods that will let long-press-back be used as kill-switch?
[EVO 4G General] -viperboy-:
That is already an option under Cyanogen Settings. Poke around in there and you will find it (maybe under performance?) I happen to be trying out EVOKings Sense ROM and it is pretty nice, but I can't keep using it since I'm working on my voltage stuff and the stock kernel doesn't have what I need to be able to test.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Settings > Applications for the long back press to kill setting in CM7
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
I am running the beta of Myn's Synergy.. wow.. it is smooth. I have tried others.. they dont compare. it is still on beta.. but should be release really soon.

to answer your question:

Menu

Personalize

Locksrcreen

each lockscreen has a "settings"

lick on one of the 4 buttons.. it will let you reassign it to a different app.
[EVO 4G General] chickut123:
Really the major reasons I like aosp over sense is the bluetooth stack is replaced so I can connect a wiimote, and I can move any app to sd card without partition or anything set up whatsoever. These two reasons alone make it impossible for me to use sense.
[EVO 4G General] Dreddge:
Ditto on this one. I LOVE how it integrates my contacts with facebook. Its like it melts all together in a social media puddle so I can lap it up like dog.
[EVO 4G General] The Jero:
Either, but always skinny.
[EVO 4G General] clamknuckle:
This is very true.
[EVO 4G General] mike208:
I am still trying to decide between a sense 3.0 rom or setting cm7 up to my liking
[Nook Color Android Development] ace7196:
Information:
[Nook Color Android Development] ace7196:
Reserved for future awesomeness.
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
This is done with great intentions, but it is not going to work.

We know for a fact, that exactly those people who have questions, and post them in all the worst places, don't read any of the thread titles.

They don't read the information threads, they don't see "DON'T POST IN THIS DEVELOPMENT FORUM" warnings, and so on.

ALSO, this thread is just one more thing to rapidly become outdated - like the sticky thread that has months-old information.

All you have to do is go to a movie, go to sleep, or maybe even vacation, and immediately this has no longer correct information.

And it is one more thread pushing other development threads off the front page.

Fine idea, but it won't work in the real world.
[Nook Color Android Development] ace7196:
Thanks for the feedback.

I'm going to keep it updated as long as I can. Since I'm on here pretty consistantly. When I can't afford the time to do so, I will pull the information.

I know no one reads these types of threads, but I just had 200+ views in under and hour, so hopefully this solved a few issues without added noise to the real threads.
[Nook Color Android Development] fattire:
I think what you're looking to do is make a FAQ or guide or something. Maybe a better place where people can all collaborate (and correct any errors you have made, and I see a few minor ones) would be set up a FAQ page on nookdevs.com or something..

Also, it may be a better idea to organize the bits of information by category so people can quickly find it. Use as few words as you can in the first sentence so that people scanning for their issue don't have to read the whole thing...

Finally, it's "dalingrin" :)
[Nook Color Android Development] ace7196:
Geez...if I had a dollar everytime I messed up dalingrin's spelling... :S

Yeah, I figured there would be a few half-truths in there from me not totally understanding what is going on as well as you guys, but feel free to PM or post on here where I can change stuff. I'll try to simplify it as well.
[Nook Color Android Development] Paul22000:
I just read over the OP and holy SH*T that is confusing, no offense. Here are some tips for writing helpful FAQs/Guides:

Space it out. Everything all clumped together in one block of text helps no one. Space it out (ie like this list).

Add titles or headers in between sections (this goes along with the first point) to clearly guide people to where they need to read. People want to read what is pertinent to them; not read an entire block of text and then try to figure out which applies to their case. Help others help themselves. :cool:

For all this CM7-specific information, add version numbers in front of bullet points (for the same reason as the previous point).

Ironically, none of your "Common Questions" are actually Questions. Questions end with a "?". :D What you have are "Common Answers". Insert questions before them so people can quickly decide if reading that particular bullet point is pertinent to them.

[5/10] Since this is all changing at such a ridiculously fast pace, add dates in front of bullet points where necessary (like at the beginning of this bullet point), so people can clearly tell what is outdated and what is new. I really wish Dal etc did this for his threads since a TON of the info in his threads are ridiculously out of date.

Learn to use the [ list ] and [ * ] tags -- quote post #10 of this thread to see what I mean. :cool:

Just some friendly tips for writing helpful guides :)
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
Also the particular answers in the OP are very specific to the Alpha Test Builds of the last few days.

Those builds, like dalingrin's, are accompanied by FAQs right where the download link is.

The problem is that people talk about these things elsewhere, and even worse, put up mirror links without the FAQ - which just happened with the new Beta .32 build - one guy complained about not being able to download it because everyone else was hitting the same site at the same moment - so a mirror was posted later in the thread without dalingrin's FAQ.

Someone made a wise comment recently that people who cannot find the already posted detailed information, should not be installing these test builds in the first place, as they don't know what they are doing (and they never report enough detail in their bug feedback - such as exactly which build they have installed).
[Nook Color Android Development] HarleyChick:
Geez, Dude, you're harshing my mellow. At least Ace is trying to be helpful and doing something positive. Your negative attitude isn't helping anyone.

I for one, would like to say "thank you" to Ace. The OP couldn't have come at a better time as I was a little confused about the new 7.1.0 ROM and "2.6.32" thread was not helping at all. Keep up the good work!
[Nook Color Android Development] Paul22000:
Personally, I would love to see something like this:

7.0.2

Date the below info was updated: 5/10

General Info:

Benefits of This Build:

Common Issues:

How to Flash / Download Location:

Supported Kernels / Download Locations:

7.0.3

Date the below info was updated: 5/10

General Info:

Benefits of This Build:

Common Issues:

How to Flash / Download Location:

Supported Kernels / Download Locations:

Nightly ##

Date the below info was updated: 5/10

General Info:

Benefits of This Build:

Common Issues:

How to Flash / Download Location:

Supported Kernels / Download Locations:

Nightly ##

Date the below info was updated: 5/10

General Info:

Benefits of This Build:

Common Issues:

How to Flash / Download Location:

Supported Kernels / Download Locations:

Other Builds etc

Date the below info was updated: 5/10

General Info:

Benefits of This Build:

Common Issues:

How to Flash / Download Location:

Supported Kernels / Download Locations:

Miscellaneous Questions Not Specific to a Particular Build

[5/10] How do I do X?

[5/10] Where do I get Gapps?

[5/10] Additional Questions

[5/10] Additional Questions

Unfortunately, I have a very limited understanding of all the stuff that is currently happening day-to-day. I run only stables (currently on 7.0.2 flashed weeks ago) for fear that I might mess up my NC because I may have missed a key detail in post #1238 in thread X, Y, or Z. A centralized thread with all this information run by someone dedicated to updating it daily would be a great help to everyone. People like Dal and other developers are busy developing, and rightfully so :)
[Nook Color Android Development] ace7196:
Wow...

I dig it!

I'll see if I can start up something that in depth in a bit here...
[Nook Color Android Development] jzibit17:
When updating from 7.0.2 to 7.0.3 are you suppose to use rom manager? Or download the file from PC then transfer it over to SD and use recovery mode to update? Also your suppose to use titanium to back up apps and data only correct just incase. But as far as updating wipe cache and dalvik.... I just want to make sure I'm doing it correct that way all my apps stay. Fyi I'm running cm7 of internal
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
Actually, it occurred to me that a FAQ thread like this should be in "Nook General Forum", but that your OP, with all the information about nightlies and so on, should be posted to the end of the CM7 User General Discussion thread in this Forum.

That thread is where all these questions come up.
[Nook Color Android Development] ADude:
Personally, I find that ROM manager is another program that can have bugs, so I don't use it. :D

I just put the file on my SD card wirelessly using "Samba Filesharing App" (free in the market), and then use Clockworkmod Recovery to install it.

It looks like with many recent changes, it helps to first do "wipe system" and "wipe cache" before installing the new file.

Since our personal stuff is in "data", then I do not wipe that. ;)

I also find that the "nandroid backup" on Clockworkmod Recovery is more reliable than Titanium Backup (same comment as for ROM manager). If you do a complete nandroid backup and then a complete recovery, it brings back everything - all the partitions - so it is a great thing to do when everything is working nicely.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
I can't seem to find the latest version of Gapps that you list. I checked throughout the site listed and only see for GB up to 03072011. Did it get deleted?
[Nook Color Android Development] ace7196:
Looks like it was just deleted. I'll keep tabs on it.
[Nook Color Android Development] lucifurious:
Agreed. Forums for information dissemination are just ****ty beyond belief. We, the NC/xda community, need to either start taking the NC wiki seriously, or fenagle the owners of this fine establishment into upgrading to something more collaborative. No offense, but the only thing worse than forums for a large community is an email mailing list. shudder ... lol

Seriously. Forums are areas for discussion. Not Q&A.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
You can google the file name to find it hosted elsewhere
[Nook Color Android Development] hirano:
I bought my Nook last week and since then i've been trying to learn how to tinker with custom roms and kernels but this subforum is total chaotic and newbie-unfriendly.

We (new users) need a wiki to get some basic knowledge about modding.9

All that stuff is scattered and buried in subtopics, I have took a lot of time just to install CWM on eMMC.

Now I'm running 1.2 rooted on emmc and CM7 nightly on SD, I couldn't get dual boot working on EMMC nor SD.:(
[Nook Color Android Development] hockeyfamily737:
There is a Wiki stickied to the 1st page of the general section of the Nook Color Forum......http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=890549.

Ace created this thread in response to a rash of redundant questions.
[Nook Color Android Development] hirano:
The wiki is not up to date and a lot of useful information is not included.

Where is Autonooter, Manualnooter, CWM, newest honeycomb build?
[Nook Color Android Development] camalus:
Do some searching. Its all right in front of you if you take the time to read.
[Nook Color Android Development] :
I'll see if I can pour through some stuff and update this. I was originally going to keep it CM7 only, but we'll see.

I'm not sure who keeps the wiki current, but I can help. I'm pretty addicted to this stuff, and would love to do what I can to help others (I know devs and the likes don't have time for redundant questions). I'm just glad this isn't the GTab forum. It's nuts over there!
[Nook Color Android Development] :
This took me two seconds of searching, but I'll help the lazy out. Thank god for beer:

Autonooter for (1.0.1 ONLY): http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=872490

Autonooter for (1.1 ONLY): http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=942424

ManualNooter for (1.2 ONLY): http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1054027

Newest HC: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1062626

CWM: Look at my OP IN THIS THREAD.
[Nook Color Android Development] hirano:
I know these links because i've walked through this way before, but what about the new user (like I was last week)?

How the hell could someone search for "Manualnooter for 1.2 only" when it's not even cited in the wiki?g modding

[Edit] There is a thread that gives a lot of helpful information on starting modding:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=872003

It's just not up to date (last edit from february, before 1.2 was out)
[Nook Color Android Development] xawen:
FFS...

The Nookdevs Wiki is (and always has been) open for anyone to update or correct. If you see something out of date, missing or wrong, please feel welcome to fix it. Many of us who used to keep it completely current are working on other things and are not updating it as frequently.
[Nook Color Android Development] hirano:
Ok, so I stopped ranting and edited the wiki with a little info from this thread, thanks.
[Nook Color Android Development] Paul22000:
That's the problem...

New users aren't going to take the time to read.

They're going to ask a question immediately. (A question that's been answered dozens of times already.)

... Which is where the idea for this thread came into play.

Catch 22?

And unfortunately, new users aren't going to click on links to sites elsewhere. If it's not on XDA, people won't read it.

This is why we need the first post of threads

editable by multiple people

.

Ahem :)

Allow Editing of OP by Multiple Users

Someone who has the power, can this be implemented please?
[Nook Color Android Development] mr_fosi:
I've often been a new user (having had a few mobile devices over the years) and I read before shooting my mouth off. I quite like guides and catch-all threads, so long as they are updated.

Sure, a thread like this won't get rid of all dummies who can't read, but it can help a lot of people out. It also is easy to refer people to instead of berating them or typing out long replies.