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[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Well the real pattern should be that Apple brings it to market and makes it popular to use BEFORE anyone else so naturally if they come out with it first...guess what...they will be the first ones to sue. Then others sit back and say hey they lost that case (that we were hoping they'd win but they just did all the dirty work for us so we can now find a way to make people THINK we're anti apple by controlling them but in a NICER way and we come out looking better even though we're just as bad as they are)

Now unless you're a complete idiot and totally ridiculously screw something up then you can jailbreak iphones all day and the phone will never break because you jailbroke it. However, if you root Androids and the fact that there are so many beta's and different hardware components that come in the same phone (i.e. Hardware versions 2, 3, & 4 of the EVO) you're more than liable to really screw something up and damage the device. But with Apple you can just restore it in itunes and its right back to working like it just came from the factory.

On to your second point, HTC or any other phone manufacturer can't definitively PROVE that you rooting your phone has CAUSED it to malfunction. Rooted phones and Stock phones both are very prone to breaking so why do they want to know if you rooted it and then it broke or if it just broke anyway because they rushed the product out and didn't do REAL WORLD testing on it?
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
The whole open vs closed argument is so much bull. Most everyone here rooted there phones right? So that means that the same people would jailbreak their iPhones? So much for "closed".

As for the complaint about Apple having to have to approve apps for the app store Ii happen to think that's a good thing. I have downloaded so many crappy apps on my Evo that it's unbelievable. I truly wish that Google had some form of control over what apps get into the marketplace. That does not mean that every iOS app is good but the majority of the apps I've bought or downloaded for free from the app store (on my iPod touch) are excellent.

I'm no Apple fanboy but I will say this. WHen you compare battery life which I would think everyone can agree is extremely important, the iPhone blows everything away. Please don't start telling me about how this ROM or that ROM is awesome. The fact is the battery life should be great from day one when the phone is stock unrooted.

As far as flash goes, that's another bull argument. I have had an iPad and now iPad2 for over a year and I have not missed Flash whatsoever. When I try to use Flash on my Evo sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Personally I don't need it and I can see why Apple took a stance the way they did. There are so many websites, even those that siad they wouldn't change their content, switching from Flash to HTML5. It is so much more efficient. As a web designer and developer when someone comes to me wanting Flash on their site, I either talk them out of it or recommend 1 of 3 colleagues.

I like my Evo 4G, I really do. But I don't love it. To be completely honest I'm tired of flashing different ROMs looking for the one that has the least amount of problems. I have probably tried every or almost every ROM listed at XDA and there is not one, not a single one, that works 100% perfectly. I envy my wife who has an unrooted Evo 4G and has ZERO problems and gets acceptable battery life. Please don't try to convince me that you use a ROM that's 100%. I won't call you a lier but I won't believe you as I have seen the evidence myself.

So, will I switch to iPhone? I think I will but I haven't made up my mind 100% yet.

I just want my phone to work, period. I don't want to have to root it for it to work right. That's the bottom line and that is pretty much what the iPhone gives you.

(Okay flame retardent suit is on) :D
[EVO 4G General] packattack12:
I have not...I've been really wanted to lately tho. I'm been looking on craigslist to trade for my evo...I've pretty much only heard good things about it too. the new nexus prime is supposed to be pretty sick as well.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Okay, I can't continue this discussion.

Apple takes things that others do, insult them and tells their users they don't need that feature, and then releases that feature a year later.

Furthermore, did you just get done trying to tell me that jailbreaking an iphone is less "dangerous" than rooting an android phone?

If there is ANY truth to that it's simply because rooting allows full control while "jailbreaking" allows you to change your wallpaper.

iPhones have plenty of problems themselves.

I know plenty of people on their third or fourth iPhone.

Someone's biting into Apple's **** a little too much.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here?

CM7 works fine. Is it 100% perfect? No.

But it's really nice.

Is IOS 100% perfect? No...
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Well since you work for Sprint you must know it all so please educate us. Oh yea didn't you reply when you said you wouldn't reply? I guess that would be considered uneducated!!!
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
you do realize pretty much every company copy from one another in one way or another...it's how they stay competitive...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Which has nothing to do with our conversation.

Well, except to call BS on your "apple's first to everything"
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
What I meant about the open vs closed comment is that once you jailbreak an iPhone you can do anything you want to it not just change the wallpaper as you say. You can even unlock the phone and go to a different provider. Something I don't think you can do with an Evo. If you can it's something I hadn't heard.

You can change themes, you can install any app from any source, you can look through the directory structure, you can use a terminal for command line editing. You can do anything that you can do on an Android.
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
I've owned the iPhone 3g and the iPhone 4 and jailbroke both of them as well as many others for other people and if changing your wallpaper is the only thing you think jailbreaking an iPhone does means that you are completely uneducated about it and what it does and no one is biting into Apple's anything too much.

Jailbreaking an iphone allows you to run dual boot linux and IOS, oh yea your changing the wallpaper comment lets dig further. You can customize the entire look and feel of the OS such as fonts, background services, icons, ssh daemons, free tethering, etc etc.....oh yea the same reasons alot of people root their androids for....the whole I can flash whatever ROM i want argument is dead. All you're doing is flashing a modified version of Android and changing the way it looks. Fixing one issue and causing another. Jailbreaking an iPhone is just changing the features of the current OS without having to a complete flash and then is STILL works.

Oh yea you can also install android on jailbroken iPhones, can you install IOS on android? HP just recently installed webOS on a jailbroken iPad and saw how superior of a product Apple had and decided to trash all their tablets.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/08/19/hp-tested-webos-on-an-ipad-it-ran-over-twice-as-fast/

So you can install other "ROMS" on apple products but most people just don't because they're satisfied with what they already have and want to tweak it in some way.

Basically I hate when people downplay what jailbreaking is compared to rooting when they are for the AVERAGE and vast majority of users the same thing and can accomplish the same things.

Instead of dogging what Apple does and trying to justify their hatred of Apple through insignificant silly claims that EVERY company would decide to do to protect their intellectual property people should just clearly state their preference for one product or the other and leave it as that. That opinion is much more respected than saying you don't like something for a reason that is completely bogus and insignificant when all the FACTS are looked at.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
lol people need to understand sarcasm.

:)
[EVO 4G General] quikswitch:
never

i would never get an iphone! although i might get one for my mom because she still doesnt get how to use everything on her android after almost a year.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
It really does. As a reformed iPhone user, I am telling you, this thing is Android's answer to the iPhone. Works out of the box, smooth, beautiful.

The fact is that Android has an answer or two for the iPhone, while Apple can't match the myriad options that Android provides. One size fits all is the Apple way.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
That's my biggest problem with flashing ROMs. You are installing an alternate version of android that in many cases does fix something or makes it better but 100% of the time breaks something else. I have an iPod Touch which for al intents is an iPhone without the phone part and with not as good a camera. I jailbreaked (is that a word?) it as soon as I got it and it works 100% perfectly. All apps that I've installed run the way they are meant to run. I like that I didn't have to install an alternate version however depending on your jailbreak method you can do that too. I really wish I could do it the same way on my EVO 4G. When I flash a ROM I always find something that doesn't work. Or it'll reboot or just shut down. Or sometimes get stuck on the boot screen. I can go on and on.

With that said I appreciate all the efforts devs put into these ROMs but in many a circumstance less is more.
[EVO 4G General] dtLA:
Thanks for the entertainment.
[EVO 4G General] reggiedarden:
Was talking to my Apple fanboy friend about this today. I kind of thought about switching but now that I've got MIUI on my Evo I don't think I could go back to iPhone. What I'd have to have to reconsider is a bigger screen, get rid of some of the things in iOS that bug me, some of which is going away with iOS 5, and probably an SD card slot (yeah I know they'll never do that and I never take out my sdcard but I like to have the option).
[EVO 4G General] PwnCloud:
Nah, I love Android.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
People need to chill the hell out my god its a god damn cellular calling device for christs sake, should every ****ing forum or thread have a sticky or something in brackets saying(cross your sacred cows). Seriousy lighten up you insane people and take a step back.

Now that I have said that I will say this. I like android, A LOT, but, I don't want to have to root a phone every time I get it jut so I can run a bulletproof script, I am sick and tired of unpolished ports, I am sick and tired of crappy updates (not the phone makers fault I know, usually carriers) but seriously, I don't need to get off on doing this stuff to my phone anymore. It was fun for a while ill give it that much and the community is great. But I just need a phone that can work, with a ****load of support behind it and not people yellin across the aisle, cough evo 3d and photon folks, even when their phones are running the same god damn operating system. Its late, I have to work in the morning, I will revist this thread later, goodnight.
[EVO 4G General] droiddawg:
Iphones are way overrated. Pass on this. Never wanted one, never will. When an iPhone joins a carriers line up, unlimited data fades away. ATT......Verizon......t mobile throttle because of unlocked Iphones.

Sorry for the rant but its the truth, the iPhone is the beginning of the end for unlimited data plans.

sent from my 7/23 iNfEcTeD EVO 4G
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
well okay? what that has to do about the iphone hardware? all I'm reading from you is that if the iphone come to sprint then you are going to another carrier? att and verizon have the iphone and if tmobile merge with att then they will have the iphone too..
[EVO 4G General] marksedge:
Steve jobs is gonna sue all of you for this thread Haha
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Right....
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
To those saying they want a iPhone WHY THE **** did you join Sprint then could just have went w ATT or you have had a cpl months to jump to VZW if you care about being "cool" that much and really wanted it you would have got ATT and ur damn iPhone and we wouldn't have to have BS talks about this ****
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
because I like sprint's service and prices?
[EVO 4G General] dynamicpda:
I like Sprint prices too and service hasn't been bad to me.

I've been flashing Android ROMS since the Hero. I'm running the Evo with Synergy RC1, V6 Supercharger scripts, Freedom Kernel and SetCPU. The phone works great now, I just wish the phone would work out of the box without having to tweak it.

I'm a power user and I love the replaceable battery on the Evo. I use an extended battery and carry two spares. I would miss that on the iPhone.

iPhone 5 would obviously have a lot of changes over the iPhone 4. Much of it will probably be fancy features and not any changes to make it more Android. The drop down notification bar control on Gingerbread is dope. Google Apps are dope.

I'm peeved at Google releasing PhotoVine for iPhone first before anything for Android. Talk about disrepect.

I like Swype and voice recognition when it works.

We'll see. I'll seriously compare iPhone 5 to whatever is hot in Android-land later this fall. I'm between contracts so I'd have to pay out of pocket.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
exactly! I have to root my evo, install a custom rom, install a new kernel, under-volt it, and use setcpu just to get good battery life. I'm also a big fan of google apps. I'm pretty sure the iphone is going to have a spec. boost compared to the iphone 4 so I'm not worried about the tech. I'm just hoping it has a bigger screen since after using my evo, it's kind of hard to go to a puny screen so 4" should be the minimum. I keep wishing HTC would release a phone that has a better camera than the iphone, but they keep failing to do so every time so far. I like replaceable batteries and do so with my evo, but only reason I need to is because the battery life is poo poo and getting an extended battery is out of the question. I didn't buy a nice slim phone to add a huge bulk to it.
[EVO 4G General] Omgadroid:
Hey the echo is half decent and its Perty stock and easy as hell to root just can't seem to find much development for it its my wife's favorite phone.
[EVO 4G General] Tkdhotboy:
Forget the Iphone and the whole Crapple line up:)
[EVO 4G General] Jayavarman:
Another benefit is that the iPhone 6 will most definitely be an LTE device (assuming iPhone 5 is just a dual CDMA-GSM phone), thus pushing Sprint (and AT&T) to rapidly deploy LTE coverage by next year.
[EVO 4G General] LoveisPeace2012:
My girl would love this its a great phone for people looking for a stable phone which is like a huge part of the masses, as for me I am addicted to the flashing community. But the iPhone is a great phone their will always be haters though
[EVO 4G General] RileyGrant:
Back in 2007, an iPhone was my dream, especially because a family friend of mine was testing iPhone prototypes for ATT and I was always seeing them weeks or months ahead of release (Yes I know, should of leaked them, didnt think about it at the time) and I was in love with the bleeding edge smartphone world that Apple had seeming unleashed. But then came Android and the iPhone had a rival. That was when my views changed, the iPhone, although very graceful could not, and still cannot compete. Software, sure, its buttery smooth, quick and gorgeous, but Apple has always had a problem working with others, and because of that, there system is completely closed down, locked out and that is not what smartphones are about, so until Apple learns to compromise and allow customization and freedom with their device, I am unable to consider that alternative and look forward to a plethora of upcoming Android devices.

And besides, if you must have the iOS style interface, rock MIUI, it does everything iOS can and even one ups by combining the best of Android.
[EVO 4G General] chowder25:
You guys aren't giving your wives enough credit...my wife loves customizing her phone as much as I and would never sport the iphone
[EVO 4G General] kuhl_man:
Its all personal preference. But I'm pretty sure most people on here wouldn't.
[EVO 4G General] pottyvick:
If it had at least a 4" screen i would probably get it. Not any smaller.
[EVO 4G General] plmiller0905:
lol..yeah I have. My wife just doesn't have the patience to play with the phone and set it up. Ever since she got the phone, I've been telling her to let me teach her what "Android" is all about. But oh well....I might just get her a Samsung Rant or something...lol jk

Me personally, I love android.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
You wont believe how many people come to me and ask to make their android phone look and run like mine. Most of the the time I have them buy ADW ex and put my setting and desktop back up on their sd.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
What your homescreen look like?
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
I'd rather run butt naked backwards through a corn field than use an iPhone
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
For every person that says no, realistically there will be 5 that will lol
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
I hope not! Apple will own sprint by the balls in that they will cause sprint to include tiered data and or increase monthly rates. Phuck sprint as bandwagon retards if they choose to follow. Communist Steve jobs does not need a more gloated head as he already has.

Oh and forgot, no, hell no will I ever consider an iPhone. I don't want that brain dead kind of simplicity. I like more than just a slide and click 'smart phone'. Android ftw!!!

Sent from the Evo
[EVO 4G General] kwiggington:
Yeah and that means itll be a matter of time before verizon takes sprint
[EVO 4G General] BloodKil:
My thoughts exactly. We used to have iphones at work and I fought tooth and nail to get them switched. One night at the bar the owners iphone died and I let him use my personal phone as I always left my iphone on my desk after work. The very next day when he came back from lunch he handed us all our new android devices. (and dropped att)
[EVO 4G General] cyaiphone:
I've had every iphone and when my gf and I bought our 4g that was it for us. that was the last straw of having to deal with a limited phone that gets minor updates every year. The mulitasking SUCKS!!! oops wait "fast app switching" it's a joke! I was amazed at real multi-tasking felt like when we got our evo. I love our customization options, we love that our phone isn't handcuffed and controlled by a pc/mac with itunes. There's just so much about android that Iphone can't touch! I look at the iphone now as a toy compared to an Android. I can't believe I used to be loyal to Iphone for almost 4 years. You know how ridiculous Iphone users are when they get software updates that let them cut and paste, send mms, and do voice calls and jump in down in joy like it's the next best thing. you like at every iphone and look at the improvements in the following iphone and you'll see improvements are limited and held back.

here's a big thing for me. When I get a phone from HTC/Google I feel like a phone that has the latest and greates and I feel like Google is really trying to give me the best possible phone and striving to give you freedom and the best phone on the market.

when and iPhone i used to feel like a had a phone that was controlled by apple, and they decided what was best for me and what I should and shouldn't do on my phone and what I should have and shouldn't have. I felt that I could only enjoy my phone as much as steve jobs wanted me to. And apple purposely does this to sucker people into buying their next "great phone".

No Flash

No real multi tasking

No widgets

No google integration

no google navigation

no facebook integration

no interchangable battery

No idependence

no drag and drop files

no system control

NO THANKS!! I dont ever see me leaving Android! I've tasted both worlds and i'm 100% positive on what product is best for us.
[EVO 4G General] ItsLasher:
THIS 100%!!!!
[EVO 4G General] samsunghater:
EDIT:^^^^^ this guy times a billion lol >> ooohhh yea how bout u just wait for a galaxy s 2 seeing that apples using 80% sammy parts get a phone that actually functions and allows customization f*ck apple i hope they go bankrupt tryin to sue the world for copying everything..idiots
[EVO 4G General] samsunghater:
f* verizon too

AND VERIZONS JUST AS CROOKED AS ATT SO SHOVE IT THEIR SLOGAN OUTTA BE THE NATIONS FASTEST NETWORK SO FAST YOU'LL DROP A CALL EVERY 3 SECONDS i had alltel got service in places no other carrier does and then the big v came in and record number of dropped call comenced
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
If/when the iPhone gets at least a 4 inch screen, I'm definitely switching. Absolutely. I don't care if sprint ever gets the iPhone. I go with a carrier based on what phone I want. I got sprint only because I wanted the evo.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
That's kind of dumb... so service means nothing?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I think its a testament to how little difference there is between the service.

Especially in non rural areas.
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
Fixed.....
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Wow, nothing like a completely unnecessary comment.

Trolling is now having a discussion?

Don't think so bud.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Ya know, I still don't understand this "not working out of the box" claim for Android.

I run CM7.

I run it because I like the look and control

But its not really an absolute necessity.

That "bulletproof script" has only existed for a month or so and everyone got along just fine before.

Android is a newer platform than IOS.

Give Android that extra year and a half.

Hell, look at it now.

There are plenty of people that feel that the Photon is one of the best phones yet.

And were not even talking about the Nexus series.
[EVO 4G General] THUDUK:
Just got rid of my iphone 4 for samsung galaxy s2, not sure what I ever liked with ios, android on this phone simply makes my old iphone feel like a simpleton simon chubby chalk childs toy
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Lol awesome pic
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Apple wins another patent lawsuit.

If I were Samsung I would cancel the agreement for the parts of the iPhone 5 just in time to screw up the release.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Deff then never give them their tech
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
All jokes aside Matt, what the hell did they win now? This is one reason I most likely would not purchase an iphone due to shady tactics and their sue everyone for everything and claim we invented the phone bs.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1232867

Petty patents too.

And I agree.

Apple's philosophies are the main reason I won't buy
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
You have got to be kidding me, they are seriously getting out of hand.
[EVO 4G General] erik077:
Why leave it ? I would never choose IOS over android. How about getting iphone and installing android on it, that is what would I do.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
I am most likely going to wait to see ics and the new prime. I have MULTIPLE friends, family and colleagues ask me to "do what you did to your phone to make the battery last longer".... I received this request daily being the tech in my fraternity, let me tell you, it gets old lol that's why I say out if the box.