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[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:


We've had Sprint for about 12 years, since the very beginning almost. We've lived through the "every 2 minutes dropped call" era as well as the terrible customer support. Spring has gotten it's act together over the years and now provide an excellent service.

The iPhone was introduced in 2007 and knowing what I know about AT&T I certainly didn't want to switch to them.

For me it's not about "cool" when it comes to the iPhone. As I've said before I'm just tired of trying to make my Evo work right. I want a phone that works the way it's advertised out of the box. I don't want to root or jailbreak I just want it to work. Like someone else said, it was pretty cool and fun for a while but when issues like spontaneous rebooting come up during a business meeting while your trying to pull up a design to show your client it's time for something else. I looked like such an a**hole when that happened. I don't think it's possible for me to get any redder than I was. What a horrible experience. And that wasn't the only time my Evo wouldn't work when I NEEDED it to work.

And when it wasn't rooted I had to carry around my charger everywhere I went. 4 to 6 hours on one charge is ridiculous when you just use normally, meaning text, email, and a few calls.

I'm just tired of all that crap. It's got nothing to do with "loving" the iPhone. But I have never heard one complaint for my friends and relatives who have iPhones. Even when that whole antena thing was happening (which I think was way overblown) none of them had problems.

It's kind of like buying a top of the line BMW and having to have to bring it to a BMW engineer to get it to run the way BMW advertises. Would you stand for that? Having to have to tweak the engine for it to run smoothly and to get more than 4 MPG?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Actually this is more of a Samsung win than Apple. Change the gallery and problems over. A simple update will do that. Everything else was thrown out, even the Tab.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
We've had Sprint for about 12 years, since the very beginning almost. We've lived through the "every 2 minutes dropped call" era as well as the terrible customer support. Spring has gotten it's act together over the years and now provide an excellent service.

The iPhone was introduced in 2007 and knowing what I know about AT&T I certainly didn't want to switch to them.

For me it's not about "cool" when it comes to the iPhone. As I've said before I'm just tired of trying to make my Evo work right. I want a phone that works the way it's advertised out of the box. I don't want to root or jailbreak I just want it to work. Like someone else said, it was pretty cool and fun for a while but when issues like spontaneous rebooting come up during a business meeting while your trying to pull up a design to show your client it's time for something else. I looked like such an a**hole when that happened. I don't think it's possible for me to get any redder than I was. What a horrible experience. And that wasn't the only time my Evo wouldn't work when I NEEDED it to work.

And when it wasn't rooted I had to carry around my charger everywhere I went. 4 to 6 hours on one charge is ridiculous when you just use normally, meaning text, email, and a few calls.

I'm just tired of all that crap. It's got nothing to do with "loving" the iPhone. But I have never heard one complaint for my friends and relatives who have iPhones. Even when that whole antena thing was happening (which I think was way overblown) none of them had problems.

It's kind of like buying a top of the line BMW and having to have to bring it to a BMW engineer to get it to run the way BMW advertises. Would you stand for that? Having to have to tweak the engine for it to run smoothly and to get more than 4 MPG?[/QUOTE]

The Evo works perfectly fine out of the box, ask the millions of users that don't modify.
[EVO 4G General] Jayavarman:
It looks like Sprint may get yet another partnership. The deal would pay Sprint $2 billion to use the Dish Network's spectrum and provide 4G coverage.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...bile-internet-credit-suisse-analyst-says.html
[EVO 4G General] Kevin K:
Better get Grandfathered in on the Unlimited Plan. iPhone is what killed all the other ones.
[EVO 4G General] cantrben:
I wouldn't consider going with the iPhone. I like the way the Android system works. I agree if you are a gamer that the iPhone is superior for most games but in the next year or so the Android system will be superior.
[EVO 4G General] mario182005:
No I!
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
I highly doubt android will ever have more apps and games than the iphone..
[EVO 4G General] zeau2004:
I agree!!!!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
That's a good way of losing a ton of business and money for... Samsung.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You live in a fantasy world.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
With the exception of battery life. To get through the day (maybe) you have to make sure to shut off, wifi, 4G, don't use any apps other than email, text, and keep phone calls to a bare minimum. Otherwise I agree the Evo runs fine out of the box.

We have two of them so I know what I'm talking about. Until I rooted it and found ROMs that were tweaked for better battery life I would need to plug it in within 4 to 6 hours which meant I had to carry my charger everywhere I went.

Do you really think 4 to 6 hours is acceptable when not using any apps?
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
apparently you are living in a fancy world... I don't see developers lining up trying to develop for the android. Apple will continue to have more and better games and apps compared to android unless some big miracle or screw up happens at Apple.
[EVO 4G General] thegreatdustinLO:
I just got my EVO through asurion maybe two months ago and the bat is good, I don't have to charge till I get home from a full day of work 8-6 and I text, listen to music, full brightness, email, constant 3g, and sometime a little 4g its even better after getting synergized.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You do know Android is the preferred development platform for developers. A survey was taken of developers and they chose Android over iOS. This was I believe last year? You really think a product with 52% market share will remain #2 for development? Lol, give it another year and a half.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
My Evo easily got 15 hours of heavy usage stock. I never understand the people that say it only lasts 4 hours. Check your syncs guaranteed you have something syncing every 5 minutes.
[EVO 4G General] Halient:
Personally Ill pass, im way to much of a power user on my tech, I came from an iPhone 4 and dont think I will ever go back
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
yes give it another year and a half and the apps/games will double on ios along with android as well so Apple will always be on top for apps and games.. and estimating a year and half is kind of stupid these days from a consumer point of view...technology is moving so fast that who knows what will happen in that time frame. Windows Mobile 7 might surpass both so you never know how things will play out just like how webos just went bye bye.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I see you're one of those guys. Windows has about 1% market share, iOS 29% and Android 52%. It's simple math. People that want $ go to where the largest audience is. If you truly believe Android will not surpass iOS in terms of apps you're in for a nice surprise. Do you see the type of Android devices being released lately and soon quad cores? Apple is already two years behind.
[EVO 4G General] dynamicpda:
I'm an Android and iPad user. Call me an Android fan boy who has never owned an iPhone. Android may have the largest audience but iOS still has the largest paying audience. Google's PhotoVine just released their app. They didn't bother to support Android in the first release. Google OWNS PhotoVine AND Android.

I read about the Quad Cores coming to tablets. It's here when it is here. No doubt Apple would follow. But is an Android powered Quad core gonna make a dent in the tablet market? iPad3 is coming with four times the pixels.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Proof? Also BTW Steve jobs quit his job as CEO yay unless he was the lesser of evils which is a scary thought
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
They do have the largest paying audience because Android banks on Ads within free applications. Guaranteed Android apps will surpass iOS just like they did in sales. Developers go to where more people are available, it's that simple. Why get your product to 10 people when you can get it to 100? At first the 10 make you more profit but slowly the 100 will obviously win. Just look at Apple being forced to release the iPhone on multiple carriers. Think sticking with Att only was going to survive forever?
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
exactly... even google agrees ios is more profitable! lol I also have an Ipod touch and I don't have any problems giving props where it's due unlike some of these android fanboys. I thought apple fanboys were bad but android fanboys are getting worse. Just check out any of the new android phone section like the evo 3d. Total fanboism with shutter shades on. You say one bad thing about their device, and they act like they about to go ape-**** crazy on you.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
There's fanboys everywhere but I think it's dumb to believe a dominating platform will stay #2 in development. Once a product is #1 everything about it follows.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
Believe me when I say I used to be anti-apple and was always the first one defending against android back then. As time went by I feel more disappointed with android manufacturers as there's no device that's complete having all the bells and whistles (great battery life, excellent screen, great camera, fast, graphics power, etc.) It's always a mixed bag for example with the epic with a great screen and graphics but has a keyboard and device kind of blah while on the other hand we have the evo with only a decent screen, nice construction with not as good graphics power as the epic. This is just one example but there are no consistency whereas Apple has everything in one package. Competition is good, but there are too many variations in device configurations for android so that's why it's hard for them to take over Apple and IOS.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
Contractually they probably can't, plus they would lose millions if they were to do that.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
You are 100% wrong. Developers go where people spend money and very few people spend money on Android apps where on the other hand iOS users spend a lot more money on apps on a regular basis. Will there be as many Android apps as iOS? Doubtful, but even if there are the quality of iOS apps is far superior to Android and again, that's because the best app developers go where the money is. And right now the money is in iOS.
[EVO 4G General] dtLA:
On what do you base that claim?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Android is about to pass IOS in apps...

While IOS apps do make more money, Android apps are starting to increase in profitability.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Explain this

http://www.pcworld.com/article/229764/article.html

Revenue being the THIRD reason developers choose a platform.

And I'll say it again, Android apps are free as most offer ads, most iOS apps are not free but are ad free. Android will surpass iOS in every aspect, it already has except the app store, and that's only because of the extra years iOS has on Android.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
You can read all about it yourself:

Android users spend time on only top apps

Apple users buy more apps spend more...

If You Want To Make Money, Develop For Apple Platforms

There are dozens more articles but these should get you going.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I can tell you one thing as someone who owns both: Android apps are awful from both a design and use perspective when compared to their iOS equivalents. Apple does a heck of a lot better job and reviewing dismissing crap apps. Plus good developers flock to iOS.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
It's a lot easier to develop and polish one device.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
That may very will be but I still say that the better developers go with iOS. There is a large percentage of "garage", students, and hobbyists doing Android. The proof is in the quality of apps you get on iOS vs what you get on Android. Who cares if there's 750,000 Android apps if the majority suck?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
It also helps that the tools are better, the apps are mostly native and that the money is there to entice better developers and designers.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Quality is all personal opinion. I personally have 0 issues with any app I use and "quality" is not a concern for me and I don't sit here and compare app to app, as long as it works im okay with it. Yes I've also spent over $100 in the market. Point is Android will surpass Apple in apps like they did in every aspect. Let's not bring "quality" as a debate piece.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
How can you not bring quality to the argument? If you've never used iOS apps then obviously it's impossible for you to know the difference. Also let's keep one thing in mind. Currently there are more Android phones in the wild but that's because the iPhone has only been sold from 2 providers. Let's see what happens when iPhone's available from every provider and they add a cheaper model to attract the lower end Android user. I suspect you'll start seeing a shift in who sells more of what.

You might like to read this
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I already read that article. I would love to see Apple bounce back, but, it won't. Again, quality is all personal opinion.

I laugh at all consumer surveys, have you ever been called for one? Surveys allow people to say what they want not what's actually gonna happen.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
I think a lot of you are going to get IPhones and ultimately be deflated to find that it's not the amazing phone you're fifteen year old neighbor kid tells you it is.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Lol agreed
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
Trust me I'm not a noob. I tried everything prior to rooting and the most I got was about 6 hours. But even so, I shouldn't have to deactivate features to get a days worth at least.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
lol okay? I've used an iphone before and I have an ipod touch so I'm pretty familiar with IOS..I'm not just going off people's words like most people in this forum.
[EVO 4G General] ropodope:
Lose you're freedom, lose your wallet, lose you're control, gain a crapple.

ropodope

Sent from my Vaelpak GB AOSP Preview Edition v0.2.2 for evOG. 499mhz is the new 998mhz.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
That wasn't directed specifically at anyone, brother. #brohug
[EVO 4G General] jayshocka:
iphone on sprint

Dont know if I will switch yet i still have 9 months with my EVO and I love it as much as i did on day one. Thanks to cyanogenmod, savaged Zen, just to name a few. We'll see what else is on the market in 9 months and make a careful selection then. If anyone still cares in 9 months i will update this thread.

As Iphone moves in so will a new batch of data hogs (like me) and we can kiss our unlimited data good bye.

Not looking forward to a line of Prius driving hipsters at my local sprint store....
[EVO 4G General] LyndenP:
Me either. And I live in Boulder colorado do you can imagine how bad it would be here....

Boo
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
I am sure you are right about more android apps. It's going to happen...but I base purchases on "now" not "in two years" with how often I change devices. At this moment I have four (three are crappy) android tablets at home...and the ipad is in my bag with me. Each device has it's place, and none are perfect, but a jailbroken ios device is pretty damn nice.

My gf and daughter will be getting the iphone on sprint I am sure. I might...but my fear is ios apps are HUGE compared to their android counterparts from what I remember comparing, and the 3G only will likely suck. I had to update 13 apps on my ipad the other day...that was like 800MB in one download.
[EVO 4G General] stewdog1:
I like many here, I will probably get it for my wife. She currently has an Epic, she likes it, but she is the camp that something needs to work a certain way and she could less why something works. Her Epic is rooted, and twice now it got flaky on her.

I'll keep my EVO and then probably upgrade to the next EVO to come after the 3D.
[EVO 4G General] rocknblogger:
Oh Oh, Smug Alert :D
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
So, what I just heard from you, an Apple product liker..if you will...is that IOS doesn't "just work" out of the box?
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Its pretty nice just like the majority of us here think a rooted device is pretty nice. Same difference. Look how many people here were ready to get rid of the Evo when they couldnt root the new hboot... or how many were ready to return the 3D if it didnt get root. Either way it goes its a small percentage for both OS when its said and done the majority couldnt care less either way.

On another note, the development on Android apps is still seriously lacking behind IOS. And considering they have to make apps compatible from 2.1 all the way through 2.3.5 and now 3.1 there's really no surprise many choose to develop for IOS first.
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
Read it how you want. Honestly, out of the box it was nice. I jailbroke it for the same reason I root an android...I wanted control. Winterboard, activator, cydia, things that enhance the experience. I can see exactly why the average user likes them as is...so I would say it does "just work" out of the box.

On the same note, I bought my mom an evo for Christmas. That also works just fine out of the box for her.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
IF "Ice Cream Sandwich" is going to do what has been claimed, that issue may soon be gone.

The only reason I'm asking is because I keep hearing this claim that Android doesn't "work out of the box" and yet you just kinda said the same thing for IOS.
[EVO 4G General] apollooff320:
When my fiencee switched from switch to Verizon and got an iphone 4 I played with it for hours comparing it to my EVO. Two days later I got an iphone 4. The smoothness of the OS made me like it, but really did it for me was the apps. It made me realize how most of the androids apps are utility apps and it lacks in games. I always said I don't need my phone to play games but I actually play games on my phone now. I was an Apple hater probably because I didn't own and IOS device to actually see what it's like. I still like Androids voice search which is missing on IOS devices. I jailborke my phone so I didn't have to use the ugly icon grid and have my phone look like my EVO. I'll most likely come back to Android if the right device comes out that draws my attention and the apps improve; because the apps on my Evo compared to the iphone versions look to be in beta state..missing features and animations and laggy as hell.
[EVO 4G General] ECrispy:
If only we could have iOS smoothness (come on ICS) and more developer support for Android. Its quite frustrating to see a lot of apps that only exist for iOS, and see them being advertised everywhere.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
only reason people say it doesn't "work as good out of the box" is because you HAVE to root android and flash custom kernels, roms, scripts, undervolt, and/or setcpu just to have a fluid experience with good battery life. IOS on the other hand doesn't have to be jailbroken to have a fast fluid experience with good battery life. This is a PHONE and no matter what people say.. BATTERY LIFE MATTERS.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Uhh... Yet the Evo is still the highest selling Android phone a year later? I'm sure millions agree with you.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
A lot of people say that stock battery life on the Nexus S is pretty good.

What the OEMs do/screw up is there own business.

As far as the "fast fluid experience"...bull.

I root to keep updated android and flash themes and undervolt/overclock but the experience is about the same.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
It doesn't compare to the iPhone 4. Battery tests put it at nearly double when compared to the NS.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Real life shows that users with both experience the same batter with iOS and Android. It's all about usage and battery comparisons will always be flawed.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Where did you get that from? Out of thin air? I have both (iPhone 4 + EVO 4G/NS4G/N1), iPhone 4 is much better. Anandtech benchmarks had the iPhone 4 at a big advantage. Only the Atrix 4G came close w/ the 1930mAh battery.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
well that's just the nexus and not the evo 4g now is it? Like I said earlier in the thread...the iphone in my opinion is at least an all in one package... android has too many different configurations, but none of them is a jack of all trades. You have to sacrifice screen size, look, graphics power, sense, etc.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
But but but... in a "lab" somewhere done by someone that's "unbiased" it says that the iPhone has better battery life. :rolleyes:

I know iPhone users personally that complain about the battery life.

Best part about Android, my phone dies... I put in one of my spare batteries. ;)

So you're not willing to do comparisons with comparable products?

Edit: I will look at screen size.

The iPhone's screen size is much smaller than most of the Android Slabs.

Guess what...

bigger screen size means more screen to light means more battery usage.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I know the iPhone 5 would quickly become the most popular smartphone on Sprint but I just don't get it. Sprint's 3G network sucks. BAD. Without WiMax/LTE or being able to use some of HSPA+, it'd be a waste when you could just get a "4G" phone plus a iPod Touch.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
I give up on this thread... after all the valid points I've made in this thread, you guys just like to ignore it. It's like you guys have some kind of blinders on. I understand you LOVE android and probably worship google more than the apple fanboy worship steve jobs, but you guys need to get real here. I at least bring up valid points and am not biased towards a certain company. Like I've said, I like my evo 4g, but I don't have any problem admitting that the iphone has a better screen, camera, and battery life compared to my evo.

And about the comparison? You can't compare what wasn't available at the time when I purchased my evo 4g on sprint. The nexus s is somewhat comparable to the iphone 4 but the screen and camera is still better on the iphone 4. Plus the app market RIGHT NOW (not later or 2 years from now) has better apps and games on IOS.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
From user surveys. I don't like user surveys but let's be honest, we all know why battery life is SLIGHTLY better on iOS.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I can't compare the phone that is in direction competition[straight from Google] with another phone?

Sorry you don't like the result.

No one here said Android was perfect.

However, the idea that IOS is just "oh so superior" in all these ridiculously claimed ways...well..that's not accurate either.
[EVO 4G General] larry2513:
I want to try an iPhone, may use the 30 days to really take the time to compare it, as I did when I left blackberry for android.. I do hope that it is as great as ipeople claim they are....
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
yea but was that phone available at the time I purchased my evo 4g? At least Apple have some kind of quality control. Even when comparing the evo 4g vs iphone 3gs at the time, the 3gs simply worked out of the box ...fast, fluid, and great battery life while the evo 4g was decent, but was sluggish with sense and horrible battery life.