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[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
I'm curious to what this "more control" is about? Can you explain in more detail?
[EVO 4G General] Deoxlar:
Apple restricts what you do on the phone too much. Android let's you do everything and anything. You can't even play regular video and audio files on the iphone, you gotta convert that ****.
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Exactly because the only TRUE control you have on android fresh out the box is on nexus phones. Every other phone had locked carrier bootloaders that have to be rooted which is the same thing as jailbreaking the iphone!

Sent from my Super Sonic MIUI EVO
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
With this latest phone, Sprint's phone lineup [for the first time ever] is second to none.

3D, Photon, SGS2, Arrive, BlackBerry Torch 9850 and now iPhone 5.

Now if Sprint could just get their data service in order...
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
I was with AT&T for years, and transitioned from WinMo to the iPhone. I had every iPhone up through 4, when I left AT&T for Sprint because I couldn't take their piss poor customer service and wallet-raping charges anymore. I missed my iPhone and first, and have looked back on it fondly until recently. Now I see no reason to go back.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
that really doesn't explain much of anything...
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
I agree...add unlimited data to that and sprint upgrading towers and lightsquared's country wide LTE and possible purchase of clearwire outright and I'd say things are looking good for sprint!

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[EVO 4G General] Jayavarman:
iPhone 5 with unlimited data plan will be quite a sell for Sprint.

I bought Sprint stock two days ago. :)

I am now quite bullish on Sprint. Evo 4G was the best-selling Android phone of Q2 2011. Evo 3D started in July.

There have been news that Sprint is buying out the rest of Clearwire and integrating them into Network Vision. The best scenario is that a group of cable providers (Cox, Comcast, etc.) are investing in Sprint, which will then use the money to directly buy Clearwire.

Thus, Clearwire's lack-of-money build-out issue and LTE transition will be resolved. And Sprint will have an infusion of cash and outside support for its Network Vision and leveraging of iPhone 5 sales.
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
I see we have flip floppers in here. I know most of you have posted a stab towards apple at one time or another and now you're praising the iPhone like its god....just like all the "others". I hate This idea. I will for sure 100% mark my word leave sprint if or should I say when they tier their data like at&t did and just like Verizon did. I'll support Walmart mobile before an apple related disease. Or hell even prepaid with metro pcs. F apple and their ways!

Sent from the Evo
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I agree with what you're saying but, unfortunately, having the iPhone is a good thing for Sprint.

It helps them get leverage in the market and, with any luck, will allow the continuation of unlimited and unthrottled data. (As the a way to differentiate themselves in the market)

And that's good for all consumers.
[EVO 4G General] gab2012:
I got my wife an HTC evo... she hated it ( Never understood why she had a hard time using it ).

Shes rocking a blackberry 8330 right now lol...

This would be the ideal phone for her, its only a matter if sprint decides to be greedy and charge something like say... $10 a month for it on top of the premium data ad on...

Right now my htc evo does 80% of what the latest android phones can do (the other 20% goes to game performance, eye candy and bragging rights about benchmarks)

I'm due for my $150 upgrade but I may just hold off until something worthy comes out. I don't think the iphone will bring much to the table, maybe more apps and accessory support over android but thats it.
[EVO 4G General] ndoggfromhell:
To be honest, I'm pretty sure that I'll be switching to Windows Phone 7 after my Evo4G contract is up. Android isn't very good right now, and I can't get over the speed and simplicity of WP7. Oh, and the large font helps too.
[EVO 4G General] mystery_tx_man:
I will not leave Android. I love open source. If Sprint allows Apple to affect the unlimited data then I will have to change over to Verizon.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
To switch to another tiered provider?
[EVO 4G General] YouThere:
When you jailbreak an iPhone it becomes the better, faster much more wonderful tool to improve your life. Buying an Android does that, and rooting it makes it a billion times better!

I just got my iPod back today, (after not seeing it for 2 months) and even though it's fully customized (jailbroken, etc), Android can do it better without going through the work.
[EVO 4G General] smartboy36:
The nexus prime will be better than the iphone 5
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Why do people keep claiming that Apple is the reason that the other carriers switched to tiered data? Apple didn't go these companies and say.."to get the iphone you can't offer unlimited data anymore". It was the carriers choice to further nickel and dime consumers and collect overage fees for using data and use some of that money to build their LTE networks. It has been documented that Verizon was planning a change from unlimited data before the iPhone even came to their network.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
It's just the... "coincidence" of it.

At&t switched to limited data plans around the time they starting selling the iPhone.

Verizon the same.

And, knowing how Apple can be, who knows what stipulations they've tried to set to the carriers in the past.

If you remember they wouldn't allow At&t to handle the advertising.
[EVO 4G General] Cares:
My guess is Apple gets a kick-back on data plans for subscribers using their phones. AT&T and Verizon are trying to lower their cost by introducing tiered data.
[EVO 4G General] MaxCarnage:
If Sprint's prices became the same as all the other's, then what is the incentive to stay? Their 4G network is old, second rate technology. Their 3G data speed is sufficient but doesn't match up to what the others can offer, and the spectrum their using has poor building penetration and leaves areas even in big cities with little to no coverage.

Their pricing and customer service is what sets them apart. So yes, if they ended up matching Verizon price-wise I would absolutely look at jumping ship. Hence why I don't believe that they'll be changing their price structure anytime soon.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Not true.

Wimax is probably the better standard but with the spectrum limitations and the lack of companies embracing it... its a lot like betamax.
[EVO 4G General] nerrollus:
I would ... I <3 apple and have had a lot of problems with android.
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
Like?....

Sent from the Evo
[EVO 4G General] spider2346:
I wouldn't take use a IPhone even if it was free. I would never let Apple lock my phone down and tell me what I can and can't do with my OWN device, period!.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
...what apps you can and can't have access to just because the app tends to report more on android than IOS...
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
What are u both tryin to say
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Apple's philosophies and business practices can easily conflict with people who want the right to be an adult and make their own choices. :p
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Apple asks for about $650 per phone sold. Companies subsidize them for about $199. These are data intensive phones, it seems like carriers depend on data overages to pay Apple and keep up with their network. This is of course a coincidence but it sure seems like Apple is the reason carriers switch to tiered.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
It's funny how people keep talking about iphones are locked down and they have more freedom with android but they can't give a REAL DESCRIPTIVE ANSWER...
[EVO 4G General] AA27:
^Bingo!

:D:D
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
One thing I can think of was awhile ago there was talk of apple putting software or a sensor in their I crap to prevent people recording live shows which I thought was stupid and made me feel uneasy

http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/apple-camera-patent-could-stop-smartphone-bootleggers-in-their-t/&category=classic&postPage=1

Here's the link sounds very controling to me and like they are sucking Hollywood and the governments ****
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
?

I didn't just give an example? Pretty sure I did.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/09/apple-to-ban-apps-that-include

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/AheadoftheCurve/story?id=7415443

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...38.html#s283858&title=Smuggle_Truck_Operation

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/19/banned-iphone-apps-most-o_n_468039.html

http://socialapples.com/blog/2011/02/15/apple-cripples-ibooks-for-jailbreakers/

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal

I could continue with about 50 or 60 more unique stories/links but what's the point?

Whether or not their actions bother you or not...

Let's not be in denial here
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
well that's just pertaining to apps...what does that has to do with the actual functions of the phone? People keep talking about freedom like Apple is preventing them from turning on their phones and using it to make a call or surf the web.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
So you didn't look at the last two links? Alright...
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
How about mine that dealt w recording. That's truely stoping someone from doing something even tho it may not be used yet the fact they have made steps says something
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
well that jailbreaking article is old and apple tried to fight it and loss so no use of bringing that up. The other article is just apple crippling some apps for people jailbreaking their phone...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
...in other words locking down.

And it doesn't matter that the jailbreaking debate is old...it is the exact definition of locking down.

ckoadiyn also had another great example.

Like I said, could spend the next week and a half coming up with different stories and reports but there's no point.

Apple is definitely about having it "my way or the highway"

Whether that bothers you or not is a different discussion.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
And yet my post gets ignored that shows real locking down

O thanks matty for including me lol since dude was ignoring my posts to argue with just you lol
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
You know there are a lot of companies that talk about implementing this and that, but sometimes it's just all talk and doesn't mean that it's going to happen.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
I'm sure this will get implemented due to the amount of closed minded people
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Also just the fact they have thought of this what else do they got In Their playbook
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
you act like all android phones came rooted...sure htc is fine with rooting now but you be out of warranty...
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
you think iphone users are closed-minded and that bad? psssh imo android users are just as bad....
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
It definitely shows their philosophy.

Not even close to the same thing.

HTC didn't try to take their customers to court and make it "illegal" to "jailbreak" their phones.

HTC even allows you to unlock your bootloader.

OF COURSE, like any company, if you break it you lose the warranty. That has nothing to do with rooting.

If I put a turbo on my engine and blow the head it's not going to be covered either.

That's not what we're talking about.

You wanted "proof" that Apple constantly tries to lock people down...plenty of proof provided.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
And doesn't say u will loose ur warranty says may void some or all which means if its a true HTC **** up they will probably fix it but if u root and oc and come to find out u fried ur processor yeah u don't get a new one under the warranty
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
While you may feel that way sorry not going to say both don't have some open and closed minded people but IMHO apple people come with a certain closed mind about them least from my experience
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
yea HTC allows it but look at all the other android manufactures...not all of them allow it and you guys act like Google allows everything on their app store...look at the emulators that was taken down and many more different apps.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
What manufacturer?

Motorola has announced they are going to start unlocking.

HTC too.

Samsung never did.

LG I don't think is locked (as if anyone cares)

But none of those companies are even Google.

Look at the Nexus lineup.

Also, Google has banned apps.

Ones that are malicious.

Not even close to what we're talking about with Apple.

There's a major difference between banning apps that are malicious or illegal or violate terms of service and banning apps because they talk more about android than IOS.

OR are mean to the president.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Meh that was cause they had other companies with their lawyers down their back when that happens kinda gotta go with it
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Any product you purchase has the warranty voided when you tinker with it. You think companies wanna be stuck with the bill for consumer **** ups? Excuse my language.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Your excused
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
yea you may feel that way, but in reality there are a lot of more positives in apple hardware compared to android's hardware out right now. Some positives over any android phone: Better battery meaning I don't have to get a big brick of a battery to get the same battery life as an iphone. Better camera even to this day compared to any android devices out there. Best connectivity and accessories support from manufacturers compared to android. More apps and games that probably will never see the light of day on android devices. There are more positives, but to me these are things that make or break a phone for me. Sure I love my EVO, but I drop it in a second if the iphone 5 comes to sprint with at least a 4" screen.
[EVO 4G General] mystery_tx_man:
Yes will switch to Verizon with LTE which is better than wimax. I will still stay with android. Wimax is kind of crappy around here. you have to be in the right spots. Too many dang holes.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Emulators were taken down due to legal issues. Why did Apple ban the app that allowed people to take pictures with the hard button yet implemented it on iOS5? In the words of the great Jobs "why innovate when you can copy?"

They screw over their own developers.
[EVO 4G General] PhxkinMassacre:
I would rather have a vag and do power squats in a corn field than get an iphone... Its just so... Bad. Imho (flame proof suit equipped)
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
WiMax is actually theoretically better than LTE, the spectrum that WiMax is on is what makes it ****ty. LTE is just as filled with holes and drains the same amount of battery.
[EVO 4G General] bonebeatz1234:
Why is gods earth would you leave a great OS for apple iPhone that is just crazy. Until they open that sucker up like android and support custom roms I'll pass.
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
Hope a lot of people do move over the icrap. It'll unclutter the forum a bit =D

Sent from the Evo
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Iphone also has a cpl years on android and is the one thing that has came to compete and I like it so I will stick with them not to mention I have yet to be unhappy with any Google products Apple made me unhappy with itunes and i didn't even have a ipod just the set up pisses me off and i don't like the set up or layout of software or their hardware
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Absolutely correct.

Too many people associate LTE with greatness (with respect to Wimax) for the wrong reasons.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
time frame means nothing these days...just because you're first to the market with the app store doesn't mean squat. If you have a great product with a lot of users, developers will flock to it. I would agree with you that itunes is crap, but you can always use alternatives.
[EVO 4G General] spider2346:
Amen to that!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Time frame matters in some respects.

IOS didn't come out of the gate anywhere near what it is now.

It's market wasn't 300,000 + at release either.

The first IOS apps were in no way as refined as the ones now.

The same can be said about Android.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
the only thing that makes android fail is too many variations in hardware and software that's why some developers probably don't want to develop for it.. it's just my opinion on this matter so not sure if it holds true..
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
That may attribute to it.

Its also true that Android makes developers less money than IOS.

But again, IOS is a more mature product.

Look at honeycomb and how "finished" it is.

Now wait for "honeycomb for PHONES*" because it'll likely be the same.

That just shows the maturation of the OS.

Its a process. Its not instant.
[EVO 4G General] whitesmoke:
tempting.....
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Ummm...google is trying to do the same thing and prevent cracked apps...so what's your point

Sent from my Super Sonic MIUI EVO
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Huh?

As stated previously...
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Huh is about right lol obviously didn't read
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
Jailbreaking isn't illegal. Htc and others didn't sure because apple already did and it was proved to be legal. Suing now would be pointless

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[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Apple tried to make it illegal, that was the point.

What another company may or may not have done if something didn't happen really doesn't matter.

The other OEM manufacturers are opening their devices.

HTC, Motorola, Samsung (not locked).. So whats your point?
[EVO 4G General] mchunu:
So your point is that since Apple did it first then their wrong. And if Android CAN'T do it because Apple already tried it then Apple is still to blame. You can't be serious. Every company has a right to protect their intellectual property. When Apple lost that court case Android was just really starting to take off. That's when the EVO was announced. And the first EVO's were rooted immediately. So what did HTC do???

THEY LOCKED THEIR BOOTLOADERS!!!!!

The fact they are just starting to unlock them, mind that you lose your warranty if you choose their method of unlocking them, REALLY DOESN'T MATTER according to your logic. So you lose your warranty which means you can't take it back when it breaks, and believe me it will break!!! The return rate for most Android phones are high which means someone just rooted their phone through HTC and now their stuck and can't get a replacement.

So you say Apple wants to control everything but seems thats what HTC is doing, trying to control their phones by saying hey you can unlock it through us but we want to keep track of you doing it so that when it breaks.....and then they start grinning because they know it will break....you then have to buy another device from us at full price. So in essence THEY ARE CONTROLLING WHAT YOU CAN DO.

Android is a good platform and yes it is about openess but the fact of the matter is that the phone manufacturers are about making money and controlling what you do so you still are controlled by them and they make it difficult at best for you to have your truly open platform and be free to do what you please with it.

Edit: And please don't ever bring up how Apple approves or disapproves of Apps in their app store. How many times does someone have to hack an app for it to work properly on an Android phone. Their system is too fragmented when it comes to apps across the board. Apps work with this phone but not that phone.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Fyi this guy is not an apple fanboy he just speaks the truth.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Two things:

1) The lawsuit was intended to show a pattern (which has clearly been established) of Apple trying to lock the user down.

2) I want you to show me a manufacturer that will allow you to modify something

ANYTHING IN ANY INDUSTRY

and allow you to keep the warranty if that modification causes a failure.

Good luck, because you wont find one.
[EVO 4G General] packattack12:
Honeycomb isn't coming to phones. It was developed for tablets with screens that are bigger than phones. Now, an Android release that will be more "finished" is Ice Cream Sandwich. I dont think Android will ever be "finished". Each release it definitely gets better and better.

To answer the question. I would wait in line to get the Iphone 5 if it comes to sprint.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
This is such an uneducated post I won't reply.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
ICS has been called the "honeycomb for phones"

Either way you knew what I meant ;)

As far as Android ever being finished....well...I guess technically no.

Nothing is never finished though, technically.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
Think by finished he ment polished least that's what I'm assuming
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
That is what I meant actually.
[EVO 4G General] phistyle:
and you know the reason why you and many other people will wait in line for the iphone 5 if it comes to sprint?

because some people want a phone that just works and fast right out of the box instead of relying on rooting and removing bloatware to make their android devices work better.

you don't really even need to mess with the iphone, but with android you really have to tinker with it to make it a smooth user experience
[EVO 4G General] EVOlvedAndroid:
I would honestly switch to the iphone, as long as it has 4g because sprints 3g sucks.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Completely opinion.

Look at the Photon.

Minimal bloatware, Sprint apps are uninstallable (I believe that's true for the 3D now too)

Also Nexus S much?

I've had a few people say "there's really no need to root the photon"
[EVO 4G General] packattack12:
Exactly right buddy. That thing flys no matter what your're doing on it. Plus the display and the camera is just sick. And by display I mean the retina display, def not the size of the screen. I def think the new iphone will need at least a 4 inch screen. I think 4 inches would be perfect, 4.3 is just a little too big for me.
[EVO 4G General] packattack12:
I know, I just had to give you some ****. :)
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Have you used a Nexus S? ;)

"Flys no matter what you're doing" as well.
[EVO 4G General] packattack12:
if there was an android phone that came out with a form factor similar to the iphone i think i would stick with android...by that I mean the aluminum and glass exterior, that thing is just good looking.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
It took me two weeks to root my Nexus. Didn't see the point at first then i wanted to change some icons.