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[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sleepycat3:
I did that and there were one or two apps that actually kept using about 5% of cpu cycles. Granted not all the apps have this behaviour, but there is the rare few that are not programmed in the right way and consumes cpu cycles in the background. As a result I have battery life ranging from a great 15 hours to a pitiful 6 hours depending on whether I left the app in the background.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
the SGSII cannot compare with the IP5 since its not out, duh. There's not even "lost engineering copies" of the IP5, there's nothing.

So, you can either compare the SGSII with air, or with the IP4, or with no Apple phone.

The IP4 is Apple's *current top of the line phone* and is similarly priced. They target the same segment, public, have similar features, perform the same tasks, they dont even have a year of difference.

These points should be enough to justify the comparison.

In fact, the IP5 will be compared to the IP4 when it comes out. If you can't figure out why, your soul is lost :P
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khein:
The fact that Iphone 4, even if 10 months older, is STILL PRICED HIGHER than the SGS2 is good enough reason to compare the two..
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cinner:
Exactly. At the end of the day, it is the way the software integrates with the hardware that makes all the difference. The Galaxy S II has MUCH faster hardware than the iPhone 4, yet the iPhone 4 still runs totally smooth and plays the latest games very well, which is all that matters for alot of people. Android still has a ways to go if it needs the GSII's beastly hardware to match the kind of performance you get from a year old iPhone.

Then again, iOS has no widgets or Adobe Flash to impact performance, so it's not a totally fair comparison IMO. How well would the iPhone 4 handle Flash? Unfortunately, I can only dream (as an iPhone 4 user who would really like Flash on my device!).
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FPRobber:
If it ever got Flash it would probably run about as good as on the Galaxy S 1. Apple can't do much to improve Flash performance since it's developed by Adobe and they wouldn't integrate it very deeply in the hardware and even if they did, I'm not sure if it would make Flash better.

Widgets don't improve or deteriorate performance at all except maybe on the homescreen and that's by far the smoothest part of the Android experience.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NIK516:
I personally dont understand what we are on about there is no one device for all users so we can never compair i love the color green, but u might hate it.

And for you to say that your color is better is silly.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Uvaavu:
When friends ask me what phone to buy I say IPhone. Why? They just *work*. Smooth interface, lots apps.

Would I own one myself? Never - because I can't customise it, fiddle with it. I'd feel constantly constrained.

It's horses for courses. Leave the Apple fanboys alone and stop being fanboy-ish yourselves :)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vimto25:
Well said,
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkym0nkey:
Right until they update the phone and loose jailbreak and unlock or end up wiping their device thanks to itunes and come crying back :p.

Here its better to convert people to Android than get them to stop bugging you when they mess up their software unlocked, jailbroken phones :D

You guys are lucky enough to have official launches of Apple products on time there so its easy to recommend it to the non tech savvy people :o
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] idavid_:
My favorite reply is this one:

''Because It can do Facetime, has the best screen ever, doesn't fail, will be supported for more than a year by Apple, my kids can easily use it (1 and 3 years old), has allowed us to capture many precious moments in HD videos and HDR pictures, because the GPS is great, because the battery is great, because I have been waiting more than 10 years to have one, and it is an iPhone...if you don't have an iPhone...well you don't have an iPhone.

You can jailbreak anytime for those thing you say you can't do...''

Ok, here are some true things, but come on.

''Because It can do Facetime, has allowed us to capture many precious moments in HD videos, because I have been waiting more than 10 years to have one, and it is an iPhone''

Seriously. Obviously SGS II can't do video-calling, HD on the iPhone is better than Full HD on SGS II, and it's better because it's an iPhone :rolleyes: Oh, and he waited 10 years to get one, even if iPhone was announced in 2007.

P.S. They laugh at this thread, we laugh at their thread. So it's a never ending battle.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robstunner:
How?

"Because if you don't have an iPhone, you don't have an iPhone"

Seriously, stupidest commercials ever. iPhones are great, but they aren't for all people.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] godutch:
I got a contract renewal option from my carrier which included an iphone 4 but i decided to fork out some cash and get the sgs2 instead.

Unless someone manages to run android on the iphone it really doesn't appeal to me, I want my phone to be mine, I want to decide which apps I want to use, not let apple decide that for me...and oh I want a pc free from itunes
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vulpix:
I refuse to use such a shoddy made app. There was one that gave was preventing my phone from sleeping for god knows what reason and I uninstalled it, gave it a 1 star and posted the issues on his github. Issues like that should never happen, and I refuse to use the app even if my life depended on it.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DAXGr:
iPhones are for the mass whereas android smartphones are for tech enthusiasts. I got one example: a girl in my class has an iPhone and was bragging about how if you press an icon on the app drawer it wouldst tremble... then I demoed some good old Linux booting and she shut up!
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 101matt101:
Apple lovers will manage to justify just about anything, they genuinely think iOS is the best thing since sliced bread...some of them genuinely think it is better than sliced bread haha :D. To them Android will always be worse for some reason, you have to give it to Apple they're bloody good at selling their overpriced under powered phones, their marketing is good, their products tend to be crap :P
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmd512:
So, is she hot? If so, did you get her phone number?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrPhilo:
The A5 GPU is better than the Nvidia Tegra by quite a large margin 3X on 9/10 benchmark reviews.

SGX543MP2. I think the SGX543MP2 > Mali 400MP or equal, so the A5 chip isnt that bad (Dont know about CPU). Overall I can't wait to get my hands on SGS2 :D:D
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
The kids I don't have yet *can already use the SGSII*

That's how cool it is! Gotta love all the "my 1 year old uses it" (also he can't read, talk, poo, and barely stands up, but he's coding stuff in C++ right now)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] idavid_:
Seriously, how is that an argument? ''oh hey, my 1-year old kid can use iphone, so it must be better!!!!''
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wu_wei_lion:
I'm sure people have made the same arguments I'm about to present here but here goes anyway. My father, who is in his mid 60s and not tech savvy at all, asked me what smart phone I'd recommend and I gave him the pros and cons of android vs iphone. At this point, I'd say he's typical of the type of person buying iphones; those who don't care about specs and don't want to spend a lot of time figuring out how to use a smartphone. He wouldn't have the patience. In his case, I would say that the lack of ability to customize is a selling point with the iphone. For another thing, he's heard of the iphone and has a moderately good idea of what it does. If he were to ask me about android, I'd have to answer, "Well it depends on what device you buy and what version of the OS it has." There are so many different handsets with different specs and he wouldn't want to think about it. So the consistency of the iphone platform becomes another selling point and android's hardware/software fragmentation becomes a huge issue. I think the original question was, "Why would someone pay so much for an iphone with inferior specs?"

1) Simplicity of user interface with less of a learning curve.

2) Lack of interest in tech specs

3) Simplicity of choice on what device to buy

4)Apple's advertising; even the tech averse know about iphones.

Please note that I am listing the reasons why other people would buy the iphone at this point and that I wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone unless it was planted on me post mortem. Please also note that I have an SGS Vibrant running Bionix NextGen and Bullet kernel from EDT (voodoo lagfix, 1.42 ghz OC, and GPU OC). Also also note if you please that I am looking forward to modifying the living #@*&%@#$%&* out of an SGS2 as soon as I can get my grubby little hands on one. Viva 2.0 ghz OC. Or some such thing.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Intratech:
Did you chirps her though bruv?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xXNCHAMPXx:
Well spoken tbh. A girlfriend of me has a SGS I9000 an soen't like it much. Then I asked her if I can take a look. Well she had 2.1-update1...so she never updated it cuz she doesn't know how too. I think these OS updates of Android are good for people who care, but for maybe 70% of Andriod users they don't even care or know about updates.

I hope you get what I mean ;)

Sent from my GALAXY S 2.3.3 Darky RC6
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bendispo:
I completely agree.... and adding to your list, I'd include:

1. More cohesive, consistent user experience.

2. Hardware / Software integration/optimization (It's taken awhile for Android to have hardware graphics acceleration enabled, and though several Android devices released in the last year have had superior specs, they've had difficulty matching the flow and speed of iOS. I've been using an EVO the last year, and I'm still always surprised at the speed and fluidity of the browser and general interface whenever I pick up a friend's iPhone 4.

3. The lack of fragmentation/differentiation, which allows developers to invest more time/effort into app development. The hardware may not be as powerful, but because of consistent hardware, devs can more easily and are more willing to optimize for it. This often negates or even reverses the iPhone tech disadvantage.

4. Broader range of high-quality accessories... due to reasons related to post 3.

To avoid flaming, I will say that I've never owned an iPhone, nor do I plan to buy one in the near future (in fact, I'm expecting my SG2 in a few days). That being said, I do understand the appeal of Apple products and appreciate the iPhone as a product line that's well designed and that still offers several advantages over Android devices.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] computermilk:
Yeah my iPad 2 on 1024*768 Resolution Handles dungeon defenders better then no other... it's absolutely amazing...

the A5 chip is definitely no slouch...
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
my mum, same story, but i made her get a 3GS at the time (just before the IP4 came out..) as it sounded like the most logical choice.

well, she didn't like it. 4 month ago she got a SGS (gt-i9000 one) and It was running froyo 2.2.1 stock (so all bugs were actually fixed) and she loves it.

Note that she doesnt care or know whats the diff between "apple" and "android". Both have similar interfaces and she surprisingly had more issues with the iOS UI than Android. (Surprised me too)

She uses a macbook otherwise, and doesn't really like itunes, lol. (She likes the rest tho)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smartbot:
Yeah, the A5 is pretty amazing (I also have an iPad 2). I think it should help make the iPhone 5 pretty insanely fast. The Exynos in the SGS2 seems pretty comparable.

With the number of amazing phones that are hitting the market (SGS2, Sensation, etc.) Apple really needs to hurry up with the iPhone 5 and iOS 5 to keep up.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wu_wei_lion:
Has anyone else heard the rumor that the exynos might be employed in the iphone 5? I read it somewhere and I have no idea if the info is valid.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bendispo:
I'd lean towards saying no since Apple and Samsung are in the midst of recently filed lawsuits with one another... and since Apple is now customizing its own CPU.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RedBlueGreen:
Yeah, that thread is funny... but so is this one with all the fanboys on here haha.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smartbot:
Well, it won't be the Exynos... Apple designs their own chips (but Samsung manufactures them). The A5 and Exynos are both ARM A9 dual core chips, but they have completely different GPUs. Apple uses the PowerVR SGX543MP2 and Samsung uses the Mali-400. I'm not sure if the two GPUs have been compared (but from what I have heard the PowerVR SGX543MP2 is supposed to be more powerful).
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mosd:
okej strange my sgs last longer than my friends iphone 4?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] computermilk:
I mean... the A5 chip is already made..

and it seems to be a growing trend now with the iPad 1, and now the iPad 2 that they stick the Latest iPad CPU inside the next iPhone after that.. it makes sense.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] delitero:
Iv been an iPhone user for 4 years but now i got myself a galaxy s 2 and i love it. I changed my phone because im pretty sick of same story every year June to be announced then wait until Autumn to get it in Romania, pay 800 EUR and not even having video call with everyone and only with the CHOSEN ONES the ones that have the almighty iPhone 4. BUT you people who flame iPhone look at your devices and you will notice that you have iPhone nephews in your hands, lets not forget what we had until iPhone... we had NOKIA, thats right NOKIA with their ****ty Symbian or even worse hp, htc, acer, etc with WINDOWS! So in the end we all have to thanks Apple for opening a new market, the real smart phones market.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chasist:
am i4 user..never talk bad about android user..we chose what we want..i dont get why we need to argue..
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ImperialX:
I've used iPhones from 2007 up till last week and have never said bad things about Android users.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rovex:
Before i went android i was a firm Symbian user, but Symbian touch was terrible, so i went Android. iOS interested me for about 0.68 seconds. It was Apple, i knew where it would lead.

Its quite easy for me to reject iOS and its users arguments. Most of them are purely subjective. The main one being that the iPhone is sexy looking and the interface is so nice looking, but for me the iPhone is really ugly. I absolutely hate its look. The 4 is better, but i still think its ugly. Ive never got the idea that the SGS looked like the iPhone, it never did really. I also find iOS ugly. Its closed nature is the final nail in its coffin.

They also claim the Retina is the best screen and some sort of Apple technical marvel. Well firstly its made by LG, which always amuses me, and secondly its still the wrong shape and too small. It could have 5 trillion pixels, i dont care, its too damn small and because its 1.5:1 aspect, and nothing is 1.5:1 aspect, whatever you play on it will either crop or letterbox badly, making the image even smaller.

As for other manufacturers copying Apple... Um no. Apple does it, everyone notices, and thinks others have copied. Usually these things were out long before Apple thought of copying it.

I see the i5 being A5 powered and having NFC. It may have a bigger screen to, but so what. We exceed that now on android.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
Well. you cant say the ip4 is better than the sgs2 because not everyone think its true. buying apple renders people illogic. nice try tho :)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxxiB:
Have to agree with you on this completely. I remember people trying to say facetime was innovative, there blatantly wasn't video calling via 3G before that ^^ There are lots of things stopping me from buying apple products. The closed nature doesn't bother me so much, I love to play on my gfs iphone 4 because everything is quality assured, all the games look amazing everything is optimised.

However, Connecting to itunes each time I want to put music on it is a joke, I sync all my music over wifi no cables no fuss. It's too expensive for what it is, there is only one iteration a year, I usually loose interest in a phone within 6 months unless it gets a software update and makes everything look amazing and new. I like my widgets, I want to see previews of emails, weather patterns etc without having to go to the application each time.

where the iPhone 4 doesn't have the problem so much, I don't like the massive gaping spacing between applications on the iPad original and 2 all the application thumbnails are too far apart in my opinion and it just makes it look like they were trying to use up as much space as possible with the least possible input.

Also support for when a Mac all in one is terrible, my brother had to send his back for 3 weeks because of a hard drive + temperature sensor failure which they didn't even fix the first time and sent back to us then we sent it back to them again and they finally sorted it out.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob_me:
I get so angry when people like them are so deluded and arrogant! They refuse to accept anything that stands against thier iphones, be it true or not. Its terrible.

Ive got a mac and an ipad, and i love them both, but in terms of phones, i would never have an ios device. Tiles on a screen? its so 90's.

I also love how one guy said 'cheap samsung tat' even though all apples chips are made by samsung.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxxiB:
I thought basically all of the device was made by other phone manufacturers that they are most likely suing at the moment.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a5ian300zx:
Hi all,

I was an IP4 user and this SG2 is my first android handset and im still mixed minded to go back to apple - note standard .

Apple Benefits over android

1) better apps (they are more polished and better quality selection) - inc many you cannot get on android [this is because maybe of apple vetting process for apps]

2) Better compatibility with 3rd party devices

3) better build quality.

SG2 over App iphone 4

1) better spec and very fast with large screen

2) very customisable

3) no restrictions like apple has with itunes etc.

4) better development by 3rd party programmers

just to note i hate the standard iphone ios all of mine had to be jailbroken and customised with additional items like lockinfo, sbtoggles, MyWi, 3G unrestrictor and i actually changed a lot of my icons and sounds.

a5ian300zx
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] milkpowder:
I think both sides need to chill a little and not be so defensive as if your reputation (albeit 'online' and altogether trivial) was on the line. As a user of both Apple and Android products, I can understand why both platforms have such passionate supporters.

iPhones clearly have their merits. They're easy on the eye, generally well built, and the (hardware accelerated) software makes everything run very smoothly indeed, not to mention the vast number of high quality applications. On the other side, I think Android has always come with bags of function, but ultimately lacking in polish. The stock interface is a little utilitarian, but 3rd party "skins" like HTC Sense really make it come alive. If only it were hardware accelerated. I've watched some videos of the SGSII and HTC Sensation and there's still a perceptible lag when live wallpaper is enabled. The framerate of the entire interface is very much lacking IMHO too. I have to say custom ROMs/kernels do make a huge difference to the overall speed and smoothness, but it's a shame that they're almost a necessity.

Another aspect which has always been pretty good about the iPhone in my personal experience (3,3GS,4) is battery life. Given that Apple designs so much of the phone in-house, they are able to optimise the software to work hand in hand with the hardware, resulting in smooth operation despite running inferior hardware, or processors running at lower clockspeeds. In the Android camp, I suspect a lot less time is spent by manufactures designing hardware to fit the software, vice versa. There's not the same opportunity that Apple has to design the software to exactly the way they would like it so that it runs perfectly. I guess they're limited by whatever APIs Google has put in.

Having said all that, I think Android is fast becoming a true rival of Apple with regards to overall product quality. In the UK, the Hero, Legend, Desire and Nexus One really were the first phones to take it to Apple. Now, the SGSII & HTC Sensation both look cutting edge and it would seem that the respective manufacturers have put a lot of effort into the aesthetics - hardware & software alike. While I still don't like how the TouchWiz looks, the new version of HTC Sense seems pretty incredible, bar the still slightly laggy non-accelerated interface. I hope the next iteration of Android will give us 100% hardware acceleration, not just for videos, browser and Flash, but for the interface too. Even BlackBerry have managed...
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxxiB:
sorry but I think the HTC sensation looks horrible. but just my 2 cents.

If anything I think samsung especially are getting lazy on the design and aesthetics side take the SGS II & Infuse 4G minus the screen and .2" difference the housing for the case is exactly the same. They should of given the SGS 2 4.5" screen super amoled plus that would be more interesting.

Samsung Galaxy SII:

Samsung Infuse 4G

Ok except for the infuse hasn't ripped off the iphone home button and has 4 buttons at the bottom, it's like looking at identical twins.

The only aesthetically pleasing phones from HTC I have seen in my opinion would be the HTC HD2 & 7 and Desire HD, i'm not a huge fan of their greyed out phones overall the phones may have great specs, HTC sense on their side but the housing looks cheap which is why I have gone elsewhere for phones.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pplcallmeGOD:
I'm a former iphone user(had a 3GS before ordering my SGSII) and for me a lot of the appeal of the whole iOS ecosystem is the fact that Apple kept the carriers from pushing their crapware on the device. While a lot of the usual strengths of the iphone have already been mentioned, the lack of carrier software and hardware modifications is the biggest in my opinion. The biggest part of me sticking with the iphone was so long was that I was seeing a lot of frustration from android users(especially on AT&T) about lack of stable software and updates. You need look no further then the whole Galaxy S line in the U.S to see carrier incompetence at work. So I was presently surprised when I found out the SGSII would work on AT&T 3G bands. I was impressed with the browser performance on the SGSII and that is what convinced me to make the switch(as I feel that browser performance is one of the biggest weaknesses of the iOS platform). In the end however a person will choose the device that is best for them and because of that I don't think the whole iOS vs Android(or WebOS, BB, WP7 etc.) will ever end nor can it as the whole argument is subjective anyway.