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[About XDA developers] dickiedawildman:
I have been a member of this site for a while now and just haven't been posting anything. I must admit that the 10 post requirement can be quite annoying when you are wanting to post something about a specific Rom on the develeopment section. However, I have donated to most of the developers I use and can speak with them directly through e-mail and their own personal web pages. So it doesn't stop me from getting information to them or other people that use their Roms.

In my personal opinion, I can respect the 10 post requirement for newly created accounts, but there should be a time limit in which this requirement goes away as well. For instance:

A new user has to post 10 times or be a member for 6 months in order to post in the development section.

I recognize a need for people to learn how to use the site and the technology they own, but after a certain period of time, a newbie isn't a newbie, just because he or she didn't post anything. Oh well though, I guess I'll just go post 7 more useless posts and it won't be an issue. ;)

I think it's funny how most of the people that are upset by this situation are only a few posts away from their ten posts too..LOL...Just keep posting here in this section with complaints, then you can complain on other pages too...LOL
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
I'm just trying to get people to recognize their own arrogance. This is an Internet forum for phones! I find it hard to believe that people insist that I devote a significant amount of time finding threads that need my input just to gain this dubious privilege. Geeze, get over yourselves.

And, as I pointed out in a previous message, I did contact the developer by email. And the exchanges he and I had are trapped in the email conversation and are not posted on the board where they might help other people. Which is kind of the point of a public forum.

My whole point is that the 10-post rule is annoying. It displays quite a bit of arrogance. And, in the end, it's probably counter-productive to many goals of any public forum.

In my miniscule opinion, it's a poor tool for its stated purpose.

Drake
[About XDA developers] poontab:
^Arrogance? More like courtesy.

By the way one of the OP's favorite things to do is troll people telling them they should buy a Nexus or developer phone if they want to mod & campaigning for locked encrypted bootloaders. I **** you not.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
.....and your solution to n00bs posting everywhere?

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[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
The same solutions I've been proposing this entire time:

Invite-only for those who feel they need protection from noobs

Good moderators for the public area

My prediction is that, over time, the invite-only will whither and the public section with good moderators will continue to flourish. The open exchange of ideas usually wins out in the long run.

Drake
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
....and which moderators do we currently have which aren't good?

You have to bare in mind we have less than 100 mods and over 2 million users

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[About XDA developers] poontab:
Need less reason to moderate not more moderators.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
This is my kind of thinking. Prevention is always better

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[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
I don't know if they're good or not. I don't know the history nor politics behind the institution of the 10-post rule. I can come up with multiple scenarios where the moderators were doing a good job, but the rule was instituted, anyway.

Sure, if you chase people away then there's less to moderate.

We already have a few people who have posted to this thread and related being chased away by the rule. The couple of people besides myself sounded intelligent and thoughtful. They probably would have been great additions to the discourse. How many more like that have there been?

Is chasing people away really one of the goals of your forum? Because it is clearly one of the results of the 10-post rule.

I know it's a tradeoff. Noise vs barrier to entry. I was just responding the the apparently-sincere posts advocating the added imposition of making them 10 substantive posts. To me, that's just over-the-top.

And, to me, invite-only is a more proper tool. It's aimed more directly at the problem that's trying to be solved.

Drake
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Well we now have a forum for developers only. We may review the 10 post rule in the future and we're always listening to other ways to improve XDA. One of the points of the 10 post rule was to encourage new users to join in other threads and help people, plus to get them to think before creating new threads etc. Yes, it may not be ideal and some users post just to boost post count. But we do delete posts we see which are obviously boosting counts and the general forums are designed for users to post outside of the main forums. I personally see this rule as the lesser of 2 evils. Without dev's we don't attract users and XDA slowly becomes a ghost site. We don't want this. We want to continue to improve and strive to be the best mobile dev site.

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[About XDA developers] winnici:
a community is free to set their own rules - those who want to join it can grumble about it, suggest alternatives, but ultimately have to accept it - a 10-post minimum (particularly when those posts can't be made in the sections that are actually relevant to one's desire to join) is kind of a pain, but clearly the admins have decided it's necessary nuisance to keep order / things running
[About XDA developers] poontab:
Your assuming people who give up (because of 10) would have been good posters; I assume the opposite.

You won't find these policies on sites like DF because they're all about ad revenue not community or dev.

I wish more people gave up. Lets make it 20!
[About XDA developers] jeffro18:
Maybee they could eliminate the 10 post rule if you buy the premium xda forums app. That would be a win win situation. It is a loophole for people with serious intentions on posting, and should generate a little more revenue for the site while cutting down on stat boosting posts. This whole thread could be killed with one comment and $.99.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Tbh $.99 is nothing. I'm not in it for the money. I have ORD. I love deving, flashing new roms and tweaking my phone to the $hit. A lot of people do and they are willing to pay $.99, so I personally don't think that is the answer. Maybe that's just me though

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[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
So...why are you still here if you have such a big issue with it? The rule has not chased you off I see. Hrm...Why is that?
[About XDA developers] jeffro18:
Yeah, its just that I payed to use this app to streamline my experience with the forums and subscribe to certain threads. People who are serious enough to do that are probably just a little more qualified as potential quality posters. Its really not that big of a deal, just might be a nice extra feature for premium. It just is slightly frustrating I can't give feedback on the kernel I'm running right now. I spent all day dialing in some undervolt settings and want to share my findings with a dev that was asking for feedback. All in due time I guess...
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
I didn't say that everyone chased away would be a good poster. But were you paying attention to the posts in this thread? Did those other two sound like immature noob idiots? Do I?

In fact, isn't it likely that responsible people with work to do, but work not related to phone development, might not consider it worth their time to build up their post count? More so than the majority of the clueless or jerks? On balance, my prediction is that you're losing more good people than bad.

As someone else pointed out, it's not my board, and the opinions of the moderator group are the ones that count.

Drake
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
I already answered that. I will likely be writing some apps in the near future. This forum has a collection of bright people on it. For me, it's worth the time investment.

And it did chase me off. If you'll notice, my join date is January. My second post wasn't until May. There were others on this thread with a similar story.

Part of the reason I've stuck to this thread is because I see people posting who appear to be missing my point. Also, I had to build up my post count somewhere. Once or twice a day in this thread trying to clarify my point is a small investment in time. Hopefully worthwhile in the end.

I certainly wasn't expecting the moderators to change their minds instantly based on what I've said here. But hopefully I've given some food for thought, even if they end up not agreeing with me.

Drake
[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
Sorry but the "un-responsible" people out way the "responsible" thus requiring the treatment you might give a 5 year old.

However, being as you used your 10 post to waist time complaining about the rule rather then provide support to others in need, I would say you could be considered in the first category I mentioned. Im just sayen'
[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
This thread only contains 2 pages...out of the thousands of threads we have here, I would say the amount of people who were chased off do not compare to the amount of people who stayed. I registered in April 2010 but didn't really start posting till a few months later....thats not because I was chased off...
[About XDA developers] jeffro18:
I can see both sides of the argument here. I have noticed that the dev threads on this site are pretty stellar with people giving relevant information on the correct topic. That is the main reason I have made this site my prime source for info on droid development. It just seems the rule leads to new members searching for why they can't post on the topics that brought them here in the first place. I have no issues going through the right of passage, it just seems to point people in this direction. I have searched for other topics I can contribute to, but this is the only relevant area outside my specific phone section that I feel confident enough to add anything too.
[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
A great way to get started in the community with under 10 post is the Off Topic section. This gives you a chance to get to know your fellow smartphone enthusiasts and give you a since of community.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I can understand everyone's frustations. You join a site looking for answers then can't post. What annoys me is no one bothers to read the rules. Tbh, its bloody easy to make 10 posts. Plenty of threads to post in in General section. Read, introduce yourself, answer simple questions and you've 10 posts

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[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
+1billion @Sparten
[About XDA developers] jeffro18:
Ok, I'll check that out then, thanks. This rule will certainly not chase me off. I went from having two stock epics last week to both running on syndicaterom frozen 1.1.1 and genocide 1.1 kernal @1.4ghz with custom undervolt settings. Tried like 4 different kernels, etc...I may be new to this site and setting up androids, but my hobby has always been getting the fullest out of all of my electronics. Much thanks to this community for easily letting me dive right in to this, I'm having a great time learning new tricks. I can't even guess how many hours I have put in over the last week scouring this site for info.
[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
XDA was all I did when I 1st learned about flashing phones
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
The very subject of this thread is the 10-post rule. So, everything I've said has been precisely on-topic.

Yeah, some of it can probably be described as complaining. But, if my posts here help prompt a reevaluation of the rule, then I have provided value to the community, and they were not a "waste." Even if the moderators don't end up agreeing with me.

Drake
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Your posts aren't in vain or a waste. You've added to XDA and gained more posts

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[About XDA developers] poontab:
Your up to 15 now & all but 2 in this thread. Your free to enlighten the devs now!
[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
I think you misunderstood my post. I am not saying you were off topic, or that your posts were a waste. In fact, not that I think about it, I can not remember what my point was...it has been a long day. Carry on :) and congrats at getting 10+ post. Welcome to the big league.
[About XDA developers] max.l:
I registered at this forum specially for collaborating with developer (to help him with localization/translation), because it's the only way to communicate with him, and now I can't do this because his thread is in Dev section. And I have to waste my time for 10 unnecessary "bla-bla" posts. It's not productive.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
If you see it this way then fair enough. I doubt we'll ever change your mind. However if you see it as a chance to interact with others, give input, insight, share your knowledge and help others I wouldn't personally see it as wasting my time with "bla-bla" posts. JM2C's

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[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
You can Private Message him until you've built up your count. That's what I had to do.

Drake
[About XDA developers] max.l:
Don't get me wrong. It's not unnecessary in general, and it's great to be able to interact with such a large community where you can ask all of your questions and find all answers. But for now, for my current specific purpose, the 10-post rule is slowing down my interaction with needed person. So it would be great if there was any alternative to 10-post restriction.
[About XDA developers] max.l:
I will do that.
[About XDA developers] spyderhead4:
10 rule and all, I have bin a lurker on xda for a few months now if your like me you could just drop some thanks posts to the dev's of the roms/kernals that you have bin using.
[About XDA developers] crammed174:
I agree with you. Setting a limit does exclude unnecessary posts by newbies but inadvertently also that of experiencednusers but "newbies" to forum posting such as myself. I have come across issues that were neither answered correctly or at all that took much searching on many forums or as a last resort resets and/or abandoning potentially good software. But hey that's the rules. Although I have seen useless posts by "experienced" 100+ posters and plenty of bickering with even the experts of expertise. Hopefully I'll be to 10 soon and not be restricted bc I often can answer q's sooner since im a night owl but can't post.
[About XDA developers] crammed174:
But isn't that what the OP addressed? Private message solutions remain just that-Private. Defeats the purpose of a forum. I know you're not the rule maker but you can easily relate to the frustration then
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
I was the one who brought up that very issue earlier in the thread. But, he had a specific person he needed to contact to get work done. So, I was just pointing that out in case it didn't cross his mind. I didn't think of it right away.

Drake
[About XDA developers] poontab:
You know what would be a great alternative (other then upping the post requirement further)? Post approval like gawker.

There you can register & post to your heart's content but you've got to be approved by your peers. If your post is good it gets bumped; if not you remain limited & your irrelevant questions never bother anyone. Also it would force people to get off of tapatalk which is the #1 reason why people can't figure out to search for keywords *inside* (holy **** you can do that!) a thread.

All that would probably not be possible on vBulletin so yeah just up the post requirement.
[About XDA developers] Rick607:
I have been involved in forums for many years and am aware of how annoying useless and irrelevant posts are. In my case here at XDA I have been reading and using this forum as a reference for over a year and only have 4 posts including this one. I read how this rule is meant to keep the development forums relevant... well, I have something to add to a Thunderbolt das bamf thread, but cannot because of my post count. The irony is that the thread is nearly 600 pages long and a majority of those posts are unnecessary. So essentially it appears that the post rule doesn't really help keep control of the development threads at all, just the newbies.

There is also a thread in the TB dev forum where the developers asked for input from the users about phones bricking. People posted repeatedly, and I mean page after page that they had no problems. Even after they were asked not to post that response anymore, they continued, but anyone with relevant information and less than 10 posts would not be able to contribute and possibly solve the issue.

The post limit as it stands is flawed and I think the only answer is active moderation..

Thanks for reading,

Rick

BTW, if you want to control something, control the people telling others to "read the thread" or "try using the search feature" and then not posting a link or directing them to their answer. Not everyone has time to read throgh 100's of pages to find a link, but if you post a link or direct them, it might keep the next guy from asking... just sayin.
[About XDA developers] Nate2:
Maybe users with less than 10 posts should have some form of moderated posting ability? Posts get reviewed by a moderator before being published, while the user is new? Just a thought...

Sent from unrooted DroidX using XDA app.
[About XDA developers] Captainkrtek:
With roughly 5000 new users a day and less than 150 moderators it would be nearly impossible.
[About XDA developers] johanlh:
Well, I'm trying to get the 10 posts goal in order to upload my nandroid in the dev forums. The thing is not much post can be answered without being considered spam. IMAO, at least it should be a "Present yourself thread", in that case one only has to find nine else posts. :)
[About XDA developers] laior:
I'm new here too,

I had a question about a rom, thought I would register and introduce myself then post my question but I can't now.

So hi everybody, I'll try to not spam before this 10 post :-/
[About XDA developers] Rick607:
I don't want to stir the pot here too much, but I see a lot of incomplete or somewhat vague answers here that leave you searching for the rest of the answer or asking redundant questions. To know that the link to a download or the answer to a question was post 5031 on page 250 of a thread, you would have to have looked it up. Why not post the link? you did the research to supply the answer, share it... maybe the next guy won't ask again.
[About XDA developers] -PiLoT-:
So your new? ok and you have a question. then until you can get into the dev forum. post in either the devices Q&A page or the general one. and while your their help other people
[About XDA developers] poontab:
It's called & it's easier then asking & waiting.
[About XDA developers] Persona+:
Instead of trying to moderate posters with less than 10 posts, maybe, a system where we can rank topics / replies so that useless post and/or topics get sent into the bottom of the pile. Helpful posts will be pushed up to the top so people see the best first. like yahoo answers:-)

Trust me (-..-) im from the webs
[About XDA developers] Rick607:
Is it? By "easier" do you mean finding your answer vaguely spread over dozens of pages and posts full of irrelevant to slightly relevant posts by people with more clout here? New members are being singled out as a nuisance while members with more posts continue to run threads up to 500 pages with a lot of useless crap posted. It is not always as easy as "use the search feature" to find the answer you are looking for and refusing to provide a direct answer out of spite only compounds to problem.
[About XDA developers] puffypr:
iam new too

iam new to xda ...but about 1 month reading the posts of a lot of people ...and now my phone is root and new radio, eng off and new rom...iam very happy for these and thanks to developers and moderatos of these forum...but the rules are the rules ....:)
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Actually best method is using Google search imho

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[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Glad you are happy and got everything you needed

Wish more would stop complaining and just get on with it

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[About XDA developers] 2t0m:
I spend a lot of free time reading XDA forums. I already installed a lot of roms (but just registered) and i have to wait until i can post in my favorite section... :(
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Well you've 10 posts now, wait over mate

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[About XDA developers] poontab:
Seriously? That's why you put consideration into keywords. Of course it's easier than being the millionth "I don't know if this has been discussed..." poster. If anyone starts a post with those words I stop reading immediately because it should be blatantly apparent after using that tool. Why are peaple so frightened of that button?
[About XDA developers] jerry28:
I've used google to search Xda about this 10 post limit.

From what I found my account should have been grandfathered as it was created before the start of the year. So why am I still subjected to this 10 post limit.

All I want to do is help a developer improve a ROM by providing valid feedback. Have been using PMs but this doesn't share info with other people using the ROM :sigh:
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Well, you've more than 10 posts so you should be able to now. If not, contact admin, I.e. Mikechannon

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[About XDA developers] mirabilos:
It’s worse than that – I can’t reply to a posting I did to answer a user’s question about my software (first posting here, I think) any more since they begun this stupid rule.

I’m a programmer, not a web-forum user!
[About XDA developers] ShiraiwaRiku:
I just found this out...

I was like why I can't post??
[About XDA developers] ala380:
Thank you...that is exactly what I was going to say. I take the time to read the information and search when I can't find what I need. Why should I have to search for you? Learn how to use the board properly or go somewhere else. Newbies want their hands held. I think if you have been a member here and have only posted 4 posts than you're not really contributing much.
[About XDA developers] Dorilife:
People just need to lighten up..

The forum has the rules just follow them, i too have been reading the forums for a while now, just started flashing about 3 months ago and got hooked quick..

The 10 post rule is not that bad.

I've actually run into problems with different roms but thanks to the 10 post rule I've actually searched and read and learned a few things here and there..

Im not against the 10 post rule, i thank XDA for this.
[About XDA developers] flipblind:
There SHOULD be a test instead...