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[General Accessories] hausman:
Benjymous, I just installed your rm11a apk and paired my watch. While I was going through settings, I hit "Set RTC (LCD/OLED") in the test panel and the watch froze on the time and date. No response to anything now. I believe this is a firmware issue and not anything to do with your MWM, but this is the kind of #$%^ that will just not fly with a production device. Until MW figures out how to make these things more robust, they are dead in the water.

Now I'm going to have to go into the FETPro and find a way to reset the watch, as removing and replacing the cradle does nothing and the display is totally frozen.
[General Accessories] benjymous:
Yeah, it sounds like your previous issues are pretty common with Motorola phones, and is pretty much down to Motorola's bluetooth stack being somewhat problematic (it seems to drop packets regularly, which explains the corrupt displays, and it looks like it's bt signal is pretty weak which forces the watches bt radio to stay on high power to keep the connection.)

People seem to have much more luck with Samsung devices, so it should be a much better experience with your Note.

Btw, it's worth pointing out that the current MetaWatches are considered to be development kits, not consumer production devices at all (Their CEO has said himself that they're probably about two years away from releasing actual consumer ready kit) - also the software and firmware is at a pre-alpha stage, so of course isn't ready for use on a production device, and probably won't be for quite some time.

If you're concerned about issues, and aren't a developer yourself, then at least feed back any bugs you've found - there's a bug tracker for the firmware here and individual device compatibility issues can be reported in the MW's "stuff that connects" forum. Any MWM issues you can report here, or on the thread on the MW forums, and I'll get onto it. (It contains crash reporting, so I'll get feedback of any FCs people encounter, and I try to fix those asap if they're a common problem.)

FWIW, I wear my MetaWatch all the time, and get about three days' use from it between charges - I'm sure that would be longer if I wasn't constantly pushing new versions of my app which causes lots of extra disconnections/connections which don't help battery life at all.
[General Accessories] hausman:
I got a whopping 3.5 hours on my analog metawatch yesterday. Full overnight charge, FW 0.8.2, rm11a APK, and the Galaxy Note from AT&T.

I know this isn't a production device. My point was that the battery life issue will need to be addressed before it becomes a production device. To only see a few hours' of life at a time (best I got was about a day using Craig's MWM on the Photon 4G - watch off charger at 7am and worked until 10pm), it's hard to get excited about developing for it.

Someone who also had dismal battery life said resetting the watch helped. I've used the watch reset command, but maybe there's some setting on my watch that is incorrect?

I would love to know what the circling arrows setting means, RST vs NMI, and SSP. Maybe something needs to be changed there.
[General Accessories] benjymous:
That doesn't sound good - When you did a reset did you try a master reset (hold the button down for a while, rather than a short press) - that should wipe all the watch's settings back to the defaults.

Though if you've reflashed new firmwares, that too would've reset the settings, so that's probably not the issue.

Circling arrows = bluetooth discoverable (so you don't need that on, unless you're connecting the phone for the first time)

RST/NMI = changes how you can remote reset the watch - I believe the RST mode lets you reset by shorting two of the charge terminals with a paperclip - it's generally best to leave it on NMI

SSP = Simple Secure Pairing - it's an alternative method of bluetooth pairing, but apparently isn't very stable, so defaults to off

The user docs for the watch can be found here, if that helps:

http://www.metawatch.org/assets/images/developers/MetaWatch_Digital_WDS112_User_Guide_1.0.pdf

Tbh it sounds like you might have a dodgy watch - I'd try and get in contact with the guys at metawatch (try PM'ing David on the forums) and see what they say.
[General Accessories] hausman:
Thank you for that. They're not helping by calling it the "Digital Watch User's Guide" when those options also apply to the analog watch. :) Discoverable had defaulted to ON for my watch so perhaps that is the cause of my poorer than expected battery life.

I'll try a master reset and repair with the Galaxy Note, then turn discoverable off, and see how things run.

I think the Galaxy Note might have BT problems because when I had RM11A installed I was having trouble getting my Jabra Supreme BT headset to connect and send/receive audio from the phone. This happened after the MW battery had died and MWM was running but unable to connect (due to dead MW).

I'll note if battery improves based on reset and different settings, thanks again for the help.
[General Accessories] benjymous:
I've just released a new build of MetaWatch Manager, that, among many other tweaks and fixes, adds support for displaying widgets on the Analog watch:

http://blog.grapefruitopia.com/post/19894804432/metawatch-manager-rm12
[General Accessories] Gadgety:
Hey benjymous,

I find your work most impressive. Amazing stuff.

I was an MBW-150 user for six years until the oled screens on both my watches (and my wife's) died so I gave up on continuing to buy and like many MBW-users I really miss it.

Obviously MetaWatch themselves do not believe in their own product as they are a) not willing to invest in it beyond launching a platform b) not able to gather investors for a proper launch and support c) dependent on ONE programmer (you), however gifted, to do the majority of development for the analog version, for free. If they did believe in it they would not expect it to take 3-4 years (2 remaining since launch) before there would be a consumer version out.

Furthermore it seems appalling you are the one updating the firmware rather than MetaWatch themselves. It also remains to be seen how long the oled screens on the MetaWatch analog last.
[General Accessories] mikepotts64:
Really appreciate your work here. Looking forward to receiving an analog version and testing with galaxy note (eta tomorrow).

My interest is in development for alerts and info for healthcare and aged care workers.

For my own benefit I want to explore displaying android sense values/trends (like air pressure, altitude and compass like casio protrek or citizen promaster) and selectable data elements from any android app such as my pvoutput.org generation and consumption data.

Fun times!

My unboxing and first impressions of Analog Metawatch here
[General Accessories] 1SiK1500:
Do the most recent ones seem decent? Ive been debating on a Metawatch instead of the Wimm one... Any thoughts?
[General Accessories] benjymous:
Latest build of MetaWatchManager adds a handy Actions menu, the ability to control calls (answer, ignore, hang up, set to speakerphone), and the ability to dial out to numbers you've starred in your address book:

http://blog.grapefruitopia.com/post/24828685231/metawatch-manager-rm15
[General Accessories] benjymous:
A minor hotfix release for MWM:

http://blog.grapefruitopia.com/post/25311496129/metawatch-manager-rm15a

and a plugin to display stock ticker widgets

http://blog.grapefruitopia.com/post/25312280971/metawatch-stocks-v1-0
[General Accessories] benjymous:
My MetaWatch Manager builds (now called MetaWatch Community Edition) are now available on Google Play:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.metawatch.communityedition
[General Accessories] gerrykv:
Do you ever see yourself releasing the source to this?
[General Accessories] benjymous:
It's been available since the beginning (since it was based on MetaWatch's own open source android demo

https://github.com/benjymous/MWM-for-Android

It hasn't been updated in a while, though, but if you explore the fork graph, you'll find plenty of other people's versions :)
[General Accessories] gerrykv:
Cheers :)
[General Accessories] vectron:
Holly crap, how did I miss this thread originally?!?!!!

I actually done a very detailed review of MetaWatch on XDA.

Strata: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=42790461&postcount=1

Frame: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=44700792&postcount=80

I'm a huge fan of your CE/NE MWM work, but noticed you took your CE Manager down after FW1.4 been officially released? Are there any future development planned? It is so sad how every other smart watch got so much attention, but not MW. It still has potentials, but for me its only usable with old FW1.35 with CE/NE Manager and Adrian's Augmented Pro app to send all the notification. I like how fast everything works with FW1.4 and MW own manager, but it useless for me since I can't check my Exchange email (Augmented can push those notification) and MW music controls can't start play from the watch (while yours does it perfectly when you select Winamp style controls). So, I'm not sure if you are working on a new manager to support FW1.4?

Also, how in a world would I be able to get this analog watchface on my MetaWatch? You posted it in one of your previous posts.

I would LOVE to get it on my watch. Please advice how?
[General Accessories] benjymous:
Sadly, I got too busy to maintain it, and the rapid changes being made to the firmware for the Strata and Frame models meant it was a constant game of whack a mole keeping MW-CE working with the latest firmwares. I keep meaning to find the time to port the features over to a version of the new official app.

That analog watch face isn't a graphic on a digital watch, it's the original analog watch (physical hands and two OLED screens.). You can sometimes find them for sale online, but they were never as well supported as the digital watches.
[General Accessories] aeron16:
if only we get some clarity from Metawatch about the SDKs... right now the new app seems to fix all the issues on connectivity, stability and so on, including BLE 4.0 support!

however, sadly, all the previous community apps have died out, and augmented smartwatch pro doesnt work at all with the new MWM apps
[General Accessories] vectron:
Exactly!!! I already told Bil (@MetaWatch) they need to get Adrian (augmented smartwatch pro) involved. But not sure what is going on. I think Adrian is consulting with Sony now on their SmartWatch2, I guess Sony were smart enough to realize his added value. The last time I spoke with him over email, he was excited about SW2 he is carrying right now.

No matter how great hardware is, without software support it's useless. I'm not too excited about Gear, unless someone will root it and have a clean ROM with all the crap removed and optimized for at least 2 day battery life and universal for any android watch :) Kreyos meteor looks like another Pebble plastic clone. HOT watch talk into the wrist no longer cut it, but will see what they come up with. Omate is shinning now, but only for GSM (not LTE support, so as Verizon customer I'm out of luck), and I'm afraid they are making it too complicated as stand alone android mini-phone on your wrist. So now considering confirmation that augmented sw pro will fully support Sony SW2 and that SW2 will have a standard micro-usb and water resistant design, I might have to seriously consider it... unless MetaWatch will surprise us with something new. I still have hopes for them to come back with new design. If you really think about it, they were really ahead of everybody with understanding of smartwatch concept. I just think they are sitting on a sideline now and watching what everybody else has up their sleeves to come up with their next thing. Maybe it's just my wishful thinking?....
[General Accessories] aeron16:
I am still not giving up on metawatch... hopefully they surprise us on android. Meanwhile i am waitin for my omate truesmart to arrivr hopefully in Oct!
[General Accessories] vectron:
We are in exactly the same boat ;) Every time I see a notification about google play update, I anxiously check to see if its metawatch. But in a meantime, waiting for my Omate :D
[General Accessories] marciallus:
Open Analog

Hello

I would like to open my Analog Metawatch because i have a probleme with the middle button, if i turn it, without pulling it, the hand and little hand still turn.

Do you know if there is a manual to explain how to open it, i remove the screw in the back but i can't remove the PCB because the middle button is blocking...

I Have modified the firmware to add a menu for turning the hand with a button but it's not very fast...

sorry for my english, I'm french.
[General Accessories] aeron16:
Just so you all know, on Android 4.3 with my Z1 and the official MWM manager app supports pushing All status bar notifications to the watch. You can't select which apps though at the moment but hopefully it means a cool feature coming soon!

Also still seems to connect via BT 2.0 instead BLE as far as I can see
[General Accessories] vectron:
Funny you mentioned this because yesterday Verizon finally pushed 4.3 update to my Note 2, so one of the first things I did was to update my MW to 1.51 firmware and install the latest official MWM (updated on Dec 19th). I did enable pushing notification bar messages, but it only display the last one I received without details. So for example is I get a few emails, I only see notification from the last one, can't see much details about it, and can't scroll to the first email. Furthermore, emails only displayed if I enable Executive Assistant email notification. My native Email program from Samsung where I get all my POP/IMAP/Exchange email - has an option for notification by displaying an icon in notification bar, but doesn't get picked up and pushed to my MW. I absolutely love how fast MetaWatch now switching between pages and in general even more efficient with a battery. But I need to see my email notification and to be able to scroll through them, the way how it was with MW fw 1.35 NE Manager, and using combination of Augmented SmartWatch Pro and Executive assistant (where Augmented picks up incoming email from).

So how does it work on your Z1? Do you get all the email notification as is? Do you use Exchange by any chance?
[General Accessories] aeron16:
Same Here it is rather inconsistent with mine and it also keeps repeating a notification of a persistent app I am running lol. So turned it off after testing it a while. I use touchdown for my hotmail account. Works alright.
[General Accessories] vectron:
So if you missed the original message and got another one, you have the same problem of not being able to go back? I wish they wold fix it!!!

i used touchdown before, the best for Exchange server emails, but it was a memory/battery hog....
[General Accessories] vectron:
Just updated my main MetaWatch review thread, the last post in there: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2332764
[General Accessories] Outrager:
I'm using the Strata with a Nexus 4 (stock 4.4.4) and using the Community Edition app it will freeze every time after a few seconds of connecting. Resetting the watch by attaching and removing the charger is pretty annoying since it takes like 30 tries before it resets.

Has anyone else run into this freezing problem with the Community Edition app? Using the regular Metawatch Manager app works fine, but it's pretty limited. I've already updated the firmware to the latest 1.5.3.
[General Accessories] vectron:
CE was optimized specifically for older fw versions. They stopped with updates once Meta guys picked up with their own manager updates and follow up fw releases. I know it's not as flexible as CE, but it's very stable and fast.

I'm actually taking a little break from my FRAME, been using Martian Notifier for a short while and now testing WeLoop Tommy (both in my review section, check out a link in my sig). But I'm also eagerly waiting to get my hands on a new META watch ;)
[General Accessories] Outrager:
Oh okay, that makes sense.

It's too bad there's so little support from 3rd party devs for the Metawatch.

I hope that since Metawatch is releasing new watches they'll continue to improve and add to their official app.

So far I'm not a big fan of the Strata. I would like to try out a Pebble to see what that's like.
[General Accessories] vectron:
Pebble got a huge development support, that's for sure. Also, check out my review of the upcoming WeLoop Tommy (sort of a Pebble clone but with a better build and at least double the battery life).

Meta is focusing more on making a fashion statement now with a smart device. That's why Frank Nuovo (former Nokia designer and also a famous worldwide designer in general) is working together with Metawatch guys and actually was involved in design of their new Meta. I'm waiting to receive my review sample of META, hopefully any day now.
[General Accessories] Outrager:
Yeah, I saw your review of the WeLoop. That looks pretty nice and the price is right. Right now though I think I would lean more towards a watch with active development.
[General Accessories] tjggriffin:
MWM Noah Edition?

okay, from out of the blue...

Anyone know where I can get the latest version of Noah Edition of MetaWatch Manager? It looks like it was taken down because the dev was not able to keep maintaining it. I'd still like to get the last version and test against the latest Community Edition. Thanks so much!
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sk92129:
Perhaps this has been answered on this forum, but I didnt see it in this section.

Beside being able to use AT&T SIM account, overclocking to get marginally better performance, and maybe use the gingerbread version of android.

What are the highlights of the advantages of rooting the MT4G with something like the CM7? Or there something better?

When I had a G1, there was some significant advantage since G1 wasn't getting an os update beyond 1.6.

But for MT4G, should I root and flash another rom on there?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] h22aboi:
If you have to ask whether you should root and flash, you shouldn't be doing it imho.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdkoren:
Read this and this. The rest is up to you. It's a nice phone either way.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neidlinger:
I will go into this stating that rooting ones phone is not for everyone. and everyone shouldn't do it. but if you feel comfortable with ADB and simple commands then by all means for it. The only downfall to rooting your phone is if you do not follow directions you can/may brick you device. But if you take your time and read directions and make sure you understand everything then it's pretty harmless.

As far as advantages? better memory management, flashing fonts, flashing new ROMs, icon packs, tethering, the benefits far out weigh the cons.

But i will agree with the above poster.

If you are questioning if you should. I wouldn't do it, you pretty much need to know what your getting into. I've rooted my Phone and my wife's phone several times each. Mainly out of pure boredom and wanting something to do. The process is VERY simple to do, but you must follow directions.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djn541:
this exactly
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JDV28:
lol not even needed anymore. I'm pretty solid with ADB, but I have yet to use it a single time with my Glacier.
[Atrix 4G General] harishjkhv:
hi guys..

.i have received the notification of an upgrade available for motorola atrix 4.1.83...

I updated my 4.1.26 to 4.1.57 and rooted it v through gladroot...i tried searching for step by step tutorials for updating to 4.1.83 without listing any applications or root..

can you pls suggest me how to do it....

I saw somewhere that updating and rooting through ginger break formats the internal memory card....

pls suggest me a method which was very simple like gladroot method and for 4.157 firmware rooted with gladroot....

thank you

sorry If some one else has posted like this before....i couldn't find any

harish
[Atrix 4G General] PakaPakaxz:
Use this to backup everything: http://lifehacker.com/5784857/how-to-set-up-a-fully-automated-app-and-settings-backup-on-android

Do a first backup, save it on your computer too.

Now, work with this guide to root 1.8.3: http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-root

After you rooted your phone, lunch Titanium Backup and do a Restore for missing apps+data (if any program is missing).
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
if you don't want to go through the hassle of backing up and formatting your SD card, since you did gladroot the first time, try running the update and then running afterupdate.bat again. it worked for me. well, kind of. i flashed back to 1.2.6 (since i was running gingerblur), ran gladroot, then did the OTA update path to 1.5.7, DIDN'T run afterupdate yet, OTA'd to 1.8.3, then ran afterupdate.bat and i got root back nice and easy. i've ready on other forums that it should still work even if you're OTA upgrading from 1.5.7 rooted via gladroot.

give it a shot; if it doesn't work, well, you have to update to 1.8.3 anyway before you'd run gingerbreak so you can do that if it doesn't work.
[Atrix 4G General] cerps:
If you used Gladroot for root on 1.57, then it will work on 1.83. Assuming no mods, run OTA 1.83 and then after that is complete run afterupdate.bat. I was able to get root back that way.
[Atrix 4G General] harishjkhv:
thank u everyone....ill try updating and run the afterupdate ....
[Atrix 4G General] OngPangTau:
I confirmed the above is work. I just completed the "rooting" which follow exactly what [dLo GSR] mentioned: -

(i) flash back to 1.26 (follow this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=991072)

(ii) ran the "gladroot.bat" when you are in 1.26 (follow this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1016060)

(iii) check the OTA update and you shall get a prompt of update to 1.57 (assuming the above processes are all OK)

(iv) don't run the "afterupdate.bat" at this moment, proceed to OTA update to 1.83

(v) after downloaded and installed the OTA update 1.83, you may then run the "afterupdate.bat"

DONE!!
[Atrix 4G General] ItSnotjavi22:
not trying to derail here...so the only difference between gladroot and gingerbreak is the messing up of the sd info?? gladroot also has some scripts/hacks in it but without theme. while gingerbreak just roots but is more straight forward and has theme??
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
gingerbreak doesn't have a theme. they both do the exact same thing (root the device) except that gingerbreak wipes your internal SD card in the process; however, gladroot requires some previous steps to be done before you update, whereas gingerbreak allows you to root at any time.
[Atrix 4G General] Mofiki:
for others that are interested in rooting their phone if they already have already rooted their phone with Gladroot I found 2 good resources:

I don't have enough posts to put in links but here it is in text :)

There is a good video at:

digitaltweaker.com/tutorials/2011/05/motorola-atrix-4g-root-4-1-83/

and good instructions at:

android-advice.com/2011/root-atrix-4-1-83-att/

I have also rooted a few Atrix phones if anyone has an issue and want to pm me.

Hope this helps
[Atrix 4G General] SiL3nTKiLL:
good info, thanks!