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[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
We are working on other ways to keep the foras clean. Please bear with us while we work things out.
[About XDA developers] daaain:
Thanks, looking forward to it!

In the meanwhile this is one more post to get to that magic 10 :D
[About XDA developers] sambwel:
Posting here also to help get my count up so I can start thanking & giving feedback to developers (currently using nightly ROM + custom kernel)

On-topic: I was a little annoyed when I first encountered this limit, but considering some of the posts people make in some developer threads, I guess any kind of filter is better than nothing :p
[About XDA developers] SuperDeform:
I say increase the post limit rule to 50

Limit only 2 post per day

Must be registered for atleast 3 months to advance
[About XDA developers] acmbc:
Mumps? 70's db-oriented programming language. Kindof remember seeing it way back in school on a PDP.

Now about that cookie.....

(Anyone who knows what a PDP is without searching on the internet gets the cookie forwarded to them)

:D
[About XDA developers] nmcc89:
I don't particularly have any need or reason to post in any threads at the moment (apart from getting this post count up to 10), but being a member since I got my Galaxy S (~8 months or so) there have been a number of times where I have been in the position to answer one of the "how do I flash this?" or "does this theme work with this ROM" questions you get in the dev section, purely because I've read answers to the same questions time and time again. The limited knowledge I have has been picked up through reading forums etc.

Saying that I see the need for some sort of limit; some of the rubbish posts you do get in the dev sections are infuriating ("when you gonna do this?" "update pls" or just simply neglecting the search function or the ability to read the previous page – if I can do it why can't someone else?). It's just I don't have any need to post anywhere else: my main reason for being on this site is so I can install custom ROMS/kernels, so the dev section is the only section I tend to navigate to. In my case it would be nice to be able to contribute to the discussion without having to make 10 posts first (purely because it'll take me a while to post 10 things!), but then if that comes at the expense of a clean, easy to understand and helpful dev section I'm happy to wait it out.

Just my opinion :D
[About XDA developers] Shadow Samurai:
I'm going through different forums right now posting so that restriction goes away
[About XDA developers] Shadow Samurai:
I think I need 2 more
[About XDA developers] Shadow Samurai:
Now one more.....(this is soo anoying)
[About XDA developers] Shadow Samurai:
I respect xda for what they did but this means that hackers that don't post often but know as much as develpers can't get the really good custom roms.... aka hd2 desire z rom
[About XDA developers] akaCat:
Hmmm... Close enough! I think of it more as a language created for medical systems, but the DB part is where it still shines.

Would that be a PDP-11*, made by DEC? :D Precurser to ye olde Vax, which in turn was a precursor to the Alpha? I still use an Alpha at work. I think the company buys replacement parts off eBay. /headdesk

(I assume that numbers 1-10 existed, but the 11 is automatically paired in my brain with PDP.)
[About XDA developers] magallanes2010:
1 post or 100 post, a noob is still a noob.
[About XDA developers] 521:
I've been a member here since July of 2010. I've read a lot on the forum, but never really had any needs to comment. I just recently actually started modding my phones and flashing roms.

I still don't have much to say, but really would like to be able to express my thanks to the rom builders who have put all their hard work into developing these roms for us to use.

Simply being able to hit the "Thanks" button would be a big plus.

In lieu of that, please allow me to say

"Thank you to all the developers on the ACS team, and the developers of the SyndicateFrozen rom for the Samsung Epic 4G!"

I truly appreciate all your hard work and efforts!

And thank you to XDA! I have enjoyed reading your site!

Gordon...........
[About XDA developers] 521:
Oh, and let me add....

At this rate, I may actually hit that 10 post count......

Sometime around 2015! LOL!

Thanks again!
[About XDA developers] nakedirish:
Nobody likes to be restricted, but those development threads would be even more ridiculous without the 10 post limit. I haven't reached 10 yet because somebody has asked/answered any question/solution that comes to mind as I read through everything.
[About XDA developers] svenningtons:
Same here, i just tried to leave some feedback on a rom i was having some issues with which could have been some use to the dev. I guess i understand why the limit is there, just a bit annoying!

Anyway i'm 1 post closer now!
[About XDA developers] SuperDeform:
A reason why
[About XDA developers] 521:
I am finding it to be a bit hypocritical though when in browsing the development topics I am seeing members with less than 10 post counts posting in them.

I saw one user in particular with a 9 post count in the Samsung Epic 4G Mod section that actually posted 3 or 4 posts in that thread. Hmm, that would mean he had 5 posts when he started posting in there?

Interesting indeed... since rules are supposed to apply equally to all.

Just saying..............

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1091680&page=179
[About XDA developers] DanWilson:
I agree. I mean, look at this (in this very thread);

4 completly useless posts. No offence to the guy, but stuff like this should be removed from a post count.

Also - how does the 10 post count thing work? I've seen people make their second post in my ROM thread (it wasn't a useless post btw). It was less than 10 anyway.

I thought it was the dev forums were completly read only till the tenth post, or are replies allowed, but not new threads?
[About XDA developers] makr8100:
I definitely have to agree with the 10-post rule being a little much. I have 12 years software development experience, but can't provide feedback to a rom developer due to restrictions.... now I have to waste time writing 9 more posts, and since I'm at work on limited time it will take me at least 1 if not 2 days to return to the task. Ridickerus >:[
[About XDA developers] BlueStarEnt:
I am not totally in this group... since I am learning Java, but the hard programming questions would keep me from advancing here. I am not on that level yet.
[About XDA developers] TheNerdymax:
I am in the group of people who would like to express thinks to the devs for all their work on the roms. I am working hard to learn all I can about my phone, and avoid asking noob questions.
[About XDA developers] makr8100:
Java isn't the only language for Android, just the preferred. I used c++ with Qt libs to import a Linux library & it worked really well.
[About XDA developers] p3lon:
same here. i can here because i wanted to mod my g2. which i did with the guides here. but i have a problem with a rom am using since is beta. but i cant post on the threat because i still dont have the 10 post count.
[About XDA developers] makr8100:
I'm now up to 12 posts, still can't post in a dev thread? o.O this is really starting to piss me off.... -.-
[About XDA developers] Richard1510:
I know when I had under 10 posts. I could not reply to or start new threads in the dev sections.
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
The first computer I worked on was a PDP-11/05 my dad bought from his dad and put in the garage. (My mom wouldn't allow it in the house :-p )

I've been programming since '76, so it's a bit annoying to post 10 mostly-useless messages in order to give feedback or ask for questions. I'm here today because a program I use is officially supported by the developer in the developer section. But, I'm not allowed to post in his thread.

As another person posted, you're going to get idiot questions on any forum even after many posts. I don't think the 10 post rule helps much at all. It's just annoying.

Just my miniscule opinion.

Drake
[About XDA developers] n.gref:
Hi I agree the 10 posts is nothing but annoying since it does nothing but fill up the forum with emty space.

As for me i wanted to report a bug but cant since im a new user

Regards.
[About XDA developers] Altair78:
I have no problem with the "10 posts" rule. Yeah, I wish I could post a worded thanks to devs and others of which I'm using software of/from, but at the same time this rule almost force people to go through the beginnings of this site and learn things before posting in the wild. I know this is how I looked at it and it has helped me as such. I'm nowhere near the skill level of even the basic dev here (code and such isn't my thing), but a little push in the training direction with some forums and posts wont hurt anyone.

</2 cents>
[About XDA developers] Richard1510:
You don't like the 10 post rule because you have under 10 posts. Your right it does suck.....but it is a necessary evil you have to over come. It gives new people a chance to learn a little bit about how the site works before turning you loose. You have to remember ANYONE from can be a member here from young to old and everything in between. It could be worse.
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
But is it really working? Don't you still get misplaced posts and questions that could be answered with a little research? That's kind of the way most humans operate. All that the 10-post restriction does is chase a lot of people away.

This is the only forum I have come across that implements this restriction. The vast majority of forums on the 'Net, including a huge number of technical forums, don't have this restriction. Most of them seem to deal with the issue of newbies just fine, without a lot of scolding and ridicule. Most seem to do it through good choices of moderators.

I think a large part of the problem is the layout of the forums on this site. Let's face it, it's confusing. It's easy to misplace a post. For which a user gets stomped on. Is that really the culture you're wanting to build here?

This site has reached a critical mass of timely information. It can be a very useful resource. You've attracted a large number of very smart people. Maybe a few of the people with experience running a popular forum need to get together and step back a little. Take another look at how this site is organized. Look at it from first principles.

Yeah, it seems to be working as it is. Kind of. But I bet it could be a lot better. Especially the attitude towards newbies.

"You don't have 10 posts, so I don't want to hear from you. You haven't proven that you're willing to devote enough of your life to this forum to be worth listening to."

Really?

Drake
[About XDA developers] powerranger123:
What is the stated purpose of the rule? I suspect it _might_ fulfill that role, but fail horribly otherwise.
[About XDA developers] powerranger123:
It is a good spam filter I guess, but there are other ways... Captcha + something
[About XDA developers] Jolqq:
I got same problem.... Im using only HD2 forum and if i have a problem with rom its pretty hard to get it solved.
[About XDA developers] powerranger123:
Actually, I can think of no better spam filter.
[About XDA developers] powerranger123:
But is it a successful spam filter if it CAUSES noisy traffic in the name of getting to the 10 post.
[About XDA developers] powerranger123:
I'm almost able to post!
[About XDA developers] Richard1510:
I understand what you mean. Still though. If you didn't have the 10 post limit. Imagine how much crap you would have to go through in the dev sections just to find what you are looking for. The 10 post limit keeps that down some. I am in no way saying that the 10 post deal works great. It does help some though. I am sorry if anyone has an attitude towards you or any other new people. You have to understand where they are coming from though. There are a lot of people here that know a LOT of information. They don't need to be bothered in the dev sections with questions that would be better off in another section. 10 posts also teaches most not all users to use the search feature. I do think there are other ways to weed out things also.
[About XDA developers] Richard1510:
You mean what you just did? Make 4 different posts....Where you could of just edited your original post to say all that.
[About XDA developers] powerranger123:
Woo- Hoo- It's official, I'm not a SPAMMER!
[About XDA developers] Richard1510:
Umm yeah you are! You just made 5 different post about the same thing. How is that not just posting to get 10 posts?
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
All technical forums have to deal with that. Most find that making it easy to join the community far outweighs the costs in increased noise. Given good moderators, of course.

I guess I just want to make it abundantly clear to the people who think that this is a good idea that there are *large* side effects.

There are people with a lot of good information who won't think it's worth the trouble spending their time finding threads they're not interested to post to for the purpose of responding to a post where they could provide an actual useful response. When I first signed up a few months ago I was faced with exactly that situation. At that time, I decided not to bother.

Coming from the other side, two days ago, I wanted to post a question on the official support thread of the developer of an app I had just purchased. Since I'm not allowed to post to that thread I had to PM him. So, any exchanges he and I have are private, and any information that might have helped another user isn't out there where people can see it. I wonder how many times a paying user has given up because they didn't think of the Private Message system. Is that the right way to treat paying users of the developers' applications?

Another thing I'd like to point out is that there appear to be people who equate the noise from newbies with spam. In my opinion there's a pretty big difference. To treat a newbie with the same contempt one uses for a spammer seems to me to be misdirected and counter-productive for the community.

I'll concede once again that the forum does appear to be successful despite this restriction. And once again offer my opinion that it would probably be even more successful, based on my experience with other forums I've frequented.

Drake

P.S. I'm building up my post count because I have some ideas for apps that I'll probably get around to writing one of these days. So, I'm probably going to need to post here, eventually. If I build up any kind of user base I guess they'll have to go somewhere else to get ahold of me. This forum won't be useful for them.
[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
Um...Duh! With an almost 4 million user base I would say we are pretty successful.

PS

Do you expect most of your user base to be persons with under 10 post count? I'm just sayen...
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
It depends on the product. If I write something aimed at Android developers then a large percentage will already be active here, or will have a strong incentive to become active.

If I write something for a general audience or for non-Android developers then I anticipate that the vast majority of users will have better things to do with their lives than build up their post count here. I'm not arrogant enough to make people invest a lot of time in order to earn the august privilege of posting in my thread.

Regarding that 4 million statistic. Is that how many have reached the 10-post limit? If not, then I predict that a huge portion of that number is people who signed up, found they couldn't post, and then left. That's what I did a few months ago.

I am detecting a lot of disdain for mere users. It sounds like a lot of people here would really like it if this forum were to focus exclusively on the developers that the site name implies, and find some way to barricade out the annoying little lusers. (Albeit, it's nice to bulk up the stats for advertising revenue.)

I could be wrong. And I'm sure that there are those who want to be inclusive. But that's the attitude that's coming out pretty strongly in this thread.

Drake
[About XDA developers] PyRo1121:
There needs to be a alt for the rule
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
To answer a few of your questions. We are not about numbers. Yes we have accumulated a large amount which could be seen as success but it doesn't necessarily mean so. We strive to be the best site for both android and wm development. To do this we need to attract new dev's but more importantly keep our existing one's. Now we had dev's complaining that a lot of new users where posting new threads or posts without searching and in the wrong forums. So we created a 10 rule to try and get new users to think before posting. We also put measures in place so they couldn't create new threads in dev forums. This way they would need to gain experience and hopefully some wisdom first. Plus we created a dev committee and a new dev forum for dev's only which users can apply to get access. Now this applies for both existing and new users. If you can prove dev history you should get access. As you can see we are trying and implementing various things to improve XDA so its not all about post counts and figures

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[About XDA developers] Bejan99:
I have some problems with my phone and I need some help and I cant do anything. This with the 10 post is really not necessary... I start a topic and nothing no one respond, no help, no nothing. And I have the same stupid problem with the phone. I cant connect it with the lap top...

Active Sync cant do anything...
[About XDA developers] TheRomMistress:
The ten post count does not apply to threads in Q&A and General. Be patient. If someone has the answer to your problem, you will get the answer.
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
I was thinking about suggesting an invite-only section. But, I was going to suggest it as a *replacement* for the 10-post rule, not in addition to. To me, this seems like one of those worst-of-both-worlds situations.

I'm just curious how many of the developers were complaining? A small but very loud and repetitive minority?

Personally, I'm okay with hearing from my users. And, I'm okay with pointing them at an FAQ. To me, that's the nature of software support. My impression of the people I've worked with in the past is that most feel similar to me. It's the double-edged sword of being successful and popular.

It sounds like this board has gotten too popular for its own good. It started as a developer's forum. Non-developers started finding answers to questions here. And now it's too late to split out the support into its own forum.

I dunno. I'm just rambling at this point. But, I need to post something. It's a requirement.

Drake
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
I understand your frustations, I have them also. Yes, being too popular has its problems. When we where just WM we only attracted geeks or users with a bit of money. With the influx of android and cheaper devices we not have thousands of teenagers with a "I want it now" attitude who expect to be spoon fed. We are getting thousands of new users per week and these new users are posting in dev forums and other forums constantly and it wasn't just dev's complaining, it was most users. Now we have set up a video for n00bs plus a requirement for them to read the forum rules

We are always open to new ideas and welcome any people put forward to improve XDA

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[About XDA developers] vetruvet:
I'm a dev, but I don't post often (after all, most questions are already answered)...

Before the 10-post rule, I posted in a N1 CM7 development thread where I saw I could help... There was a bunch of noise, and eventually the OP just deleted the thread and moved to twitter for a bit. then the 10-post rule got implemented, and my post count went back to 0, as that was the only thread I posted in...

Now, I can/want to help with Sensation development, but stuck finding threads where I could be of use to get my post count up...
[About XDA developers] Velociround:
It is really great to hear that! You got me excited there: I'm going to seek for more information about Qt on Android. I have developed few apps written in Qt (mostly QML) and it would be really great if I managed to port them to Android.

On a second note, though, it seems to me everything that could be discussed in this thread has already been discussed. And few users are trying to use it only as a way to increase post count, which is very unhelpful. It is people like that who will very likely write "useless" posts on the developer area.

To be very honest with you I couldn't care less about this limit. Well, I won't be able to press "Thanks" on any posts, but that does not take me from donating money as a way to be thankful anyway. The system is not perfect, it could be improved, but I think that is up to the administrators, so I won't discuss it here.

For users, it is very simple: just stick to the rules.
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
Really? You're upset about useless posts in this thread? Isn't it better to gather all the useless quotes into one thread? Rather than have useless posts scattered around?

In addition to the other side effects I mentioned, useless posts is an incredibly obvious side effect. If someone wants to post to a *particular* thread in the developer section, then he's going to have to post 10 messages that he doesn't really care about in the open area. That's true whether the person is clueless or not.

But as at least two of us have said, we just gave up. That doesn't seem like a desirable outcome in many cases.

Drake
[About XDA developers] soopahfly:
I've been a member on here for years, and I'm probably an "Old School" forumer in the way that I don't feel the need to make a thread or a post asking the most inane questions.

I realise that there is a search button, and that nearly every question I would possibly need to ask will have been answered already. Which is why my count is low.
[About XDA developers] poontab:
10 is sooooo hard! It's like 1.......2........ugh......3....... I'm not gonna make it! I guess my question about Y U NO MAKE SENSE 3 PORT 4 DX won't ever get lawlz'd ....suxxors
[About XDA developers] jeffro18:
I have been religiously using this site to set my phone up for the last week or so. I managed to get everything running smooth now and wanted to give a few devs my thanks and input. I realize when people are new they are quick to post redundant questions, but I think most people who are willing to put some time in with this site are likely familliar with forums. Oh well, 9 more to go...
[About XDA developers] jeffro18:
I did just notice that I had about 2 minutes where the xda premium app gave me an option to post on dev thread after my last post. It soon vanished though.
[About XDA developers] jeffro18:
Just tried it again and it gave me the option to post, but said I didn't have permission when I hit the send button. Sorry to hammer this thread, but it seems as good a place as any to get my count up a little bit.
[About XDA developers] g_lucio:
My first Post, now i news 9 Post!!
[About XDA developers] soopahfly:
Can't the posts be vetted, and be 10 quality posts. Not just the drivel that most come out with?
[About XDA developers] MightyDrakeC:
So, I need to ask a tech support question in the dev section. Now I have to invest serious time just to prove myself worthy? You really don't see the arrogance of that position?

If you do this 10-post thing then you're gonna get drivel. Requiring people to search out multiple active threads that they can actually contribute to, especially non-technical people, is pretty outrageous.

If you don't want riff raff then post and read only in the invite-only forum. That's what it's there for. There, you can ignore the rest of the world.

Drake