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[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
Ya, I'm pretty much in the rorytmeadows and ardatdat camp. Considering Acer did very little to their OEM copy, I'd place the blame for a lot of the issues on HC.

The compass is definitely finicky. I've only ever got a solid read when my GPS was tracking - when it's not, the compass is definitely off (using GPS Essentials here which could also be an app issue). If there is a common degree variance, this can be coded in/out. Also, orientation matter - whether you have it in portrait, facing you, landscape facing up... There's a difference and the gyro checks.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
I understand where some of you guys are coming from re. new releases having bugs. I can't accept that viewpoint. I paid for this device and while a few bugs are to be expected these days, some of the problems amount to beta level bugs that should have never left the factory.

If there were going to be regular releases of updates I'd feel differently but it seems clear that releases will likely only come from the devs and only after jumping through the hurdles and hoops that Acer has put in their way.

I think the A500 was worth trying but I'm still not sure it's worth keeping.
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
A BETA bug is something that is consistent (across all testware) and repeatable. Nothing you listed falls near that.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. The general level of bugginess shown by the complaints in this forum alone cause me to classify this (and many other android devices) as beta.

With so many people willing to be paying testers, the manufacturers don't have any incentive to behave differently.
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
Ya, but... Nothing you listed is consistent and repeatable... Where exactly is the disagreement?

I don't see it. Maybe I'm biased *shrug* The majority (not all, of course) complaints or issues with the a500 (be them HW, SW or HC related) on this (and other) forum are sporadic and inconclusive. Not a lot of serious testing happening and a complaint like 'my gps can't see any satellites' doesn't mean a whole lot without more granular info. It doesn't help and it certainly shouldn't be used as part of a rationale. You gotta take those kinds of half-thought out complaints with a grain of salt.

I read this all the time - with games mostly, but the argument is the same.

How when a new game is released (pick your poison) you're bound to get a very small, thought vocal, minority who dig their nails into the support section complaining about 'players are paying to be testers' - or - 'their computer should be able to play it' etc. The argument being, 'it's suppose to act the way I want it to act' when in fact, that is never the case. With games, with hardware - software. 'It's suppose to act the way

they

want it to act' - We're just consumers. We consume. They create, we consume.

Now, I'm not trying to discount the importance of your view (I know it reads like I am but I'm not trying too - just trying to further the discussion). You're obviously having issues with the a500 and far be it for me to make lite of them. I think what is key here is that, for the majority of us, there aren't any of these kinds of issues and that, of the ones you listed, few are consistent and repeatable.

So I chalk it up to one of two things - you got a bum tablet or it's user error.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
Most of the problems are very repeatable on my machine. In the end, that's the only one I care about and the only one that matters to me.

You're mistaking brief descriptions for incomplete testing or "thoughts.". I haven't described my testing methodology nor put down all the tests I've done because I'm not game for writing a paper on the subject. :-)

I've been around quite a while and have been in development for decades and done my time in QA. I know how to test. Which is part of the point. I'm not running into these problems while doing things that qualify as something a user shouldn't do and I'm really not interested in helping Acer or Google iron out the bugs in their system.

Hell, I just did a factory reset and without installing any apps I had the Market crash twice while just browsing my paid apps list.

Yeah, know where you're coming from. My complaint isn't the same.

I want it to behave the way it used to

My UI complains stem from behavior that was present in 2.2x and is very different but harder to use in 3.x. They futzed with the UI for no good reason IMO.

Well, it's not user error :-)

I've just factory reset the thing and I'm going to spend a few hours using just the apps I can't live without and leave off the questionable utilities that might be destabilizing the system (widgetlocker, stuff like that) and see where that gets me.

So far it's not good though. 2 market crashes with a stock system.
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
All very fair and understandable. I've had my share of freezes/lockups and FC. There is no doubt that updates

are

needed. I'm just not convinced the majority of the issues are Acer related, but rather, Honeycomb related.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelg1030:
Hey Michael do us a favor and return it. I am having none of the issues you have listed with mine with the exception of some FC apps, but I attribute this to the apps not being optimized for HC since the tablet specific apps work perfect.

Sounds like you got a bum tablet, so you have 3 options. 1) keep it and keep complaining and hope you or another dev can fix your problems. 2) exchange it for a new 3) return it and wait a year or so til HC is more stable and out of this "beta" phase.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
Do you a favor? In other words, stfu?
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
BTW michaelh99, I appreciate the fact that you're not flying off half-cocked and taking anything I (or others) have said out of context. It's important for mature and focused discussion to stay calm and proactive - with the goal being, resolution - not argument.
[Acer Iconia A500] rorytmeadows:
If bugs were completely out of technology before it was released to the public then we wouldn't have technology.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
Thanks.

I'm not really expecting people to supply resolutions to the problems I've seen. It looks like most of them are problems with the first release. Some could be due to my personal usage patterns (apps I have installed) but others are clearly out of box bugs.

It may be that I need to bite the bullet and get a larger version of my phone (Samsung), which I've been very happy with. Like many people I wanted to pay as little as I could. May be that I went too low for my expectations.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
If I can crash the market by browsing my paid apps after having done a factory reset and without having installed anything I would say they haven't met the minimum necessary to release the device.

The market is a core component of the system. If that's unstable, the whole device is suspect.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelg1030:
Why did you start this thread knowing that no matter what good things are said about the tablet, nothing would change your mind. If you are not happy with the device then return it and go on. The majority of the owners here are very satisfied with both the hardware and software of the Acer. I don't think anyone was expecting HC to run as smooth as apple os and if these were your expectations then you will never be happy for the time being.

Again, I'm assuming you started this thread hoping someone would agree with you, but the fact is that most of us do not. Your problems are way out of the ordinary and for all intended purposes unacceptable in this device. So again, return it. Your not doing yourself any service by keeping a faulty product.
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
Good point michaelg1030.

michaelh99 have you considered posting a bug report to Google? For what it's worth, it may at least bring the issues you're having to their attention. It's placating but it can't hurt.

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
No, I started the thread for the reason at the end of the OP which you'd see if you had read it. I have no issues with people disagreeing with me. I will take the time to correct their assumptions.

I wanted input on if anyone could comment on how Acer might have modified HC for the A500 or if the OS differences between what I've been using and this device were typical HC.

That three or four people have replied to the effect that they haven't seen these problems doesn't indicate a majority. There are plenty of threads in the forum about various issues with the A500.

Can't help but notice you didn't use your A500. :-)
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
I hadn't. Thanks. I'll do that.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Take it back

once you have a bad openion on something it is what it is.The market.does have some serious issues.be sure to complain well askgoogle to fix.when i dont like something i return it .Go to the moto or othee tabletdevice forums.you will see this is superior to most if not all other available similar devices

just wish some of myfavapps would get updatedfor thetablet alot of wastwd screen with many

geeky girls love honeycomb too

Erica renee;)
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
Agreed. The market for HC is a tad on the unstable side. Apps fail to download, fail to install - using the back function ignores your place in the list... The market is all Google so posting a bug report to them directly would probably be more useful.
[Acer Iconia A500] michaelh99:
Erica, I've decided to do just that.

The final straw was still not being able to bluetooth files reliably. I thought for a moment after factory resetting my tablet that this was working but it again failed to show paired hidden devices after a reboot.

*sigh* I really wanted to like this device but the things I need reliable just take too much futzing.

I'll check out the Moto though I'll have a hard time getting the price past wifey. Even making it a birthday present may not help much :-)
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
Not even a tiny little bit true.
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
A lot of the problems are just down to HC.. Google deserve a good slap for releasing it, it's just not ready for market.

That said, you seem to be getting more problems than many others, so its possible you might have a bad unit, quite possible some bad RAM (we all know DDR RAM can go bad rather easily!). Try exchanging your unit.
[Acer Iconia A500] rushless:
Agreed.

Seems the main non-Honeycomb issues are a lame a55 power supply, some having GPS issues and no adhoc and (for some) an apparently unstable connection when one or two bar signal.

All other issues posted by the OP seem either subjective (a little bit) opinion or Honeycomb issues.

added:

Still, I appreciate perspective and am NOT a fan of fanboy blindness (though find it humorous in a sad way).
[Acer Iconia A500] cybermage1:
I guess the bottom line is:

Take it back and go be the Apple fanboi you obviously intend to be ;-)

I get the occasional app crash too, but one a day from the market is within my pain threshold. Not to mention if you truly read everything and say the majority of users are having huge problems why did you buy it?

Google has said themselves that this version of Honeycomb is a hack and that is one of the reasons they haven't released the source.
[Acer Iconia A500] SmittyRN:
One thing that we all realize here, and that Google/Acer/Motorola/ect. doesn't tell everyone who buys a tablet, is that at this point we are all beta-testing Honeycomb. I've noticed some bugs, but I don't think it's an Acer thing, I think it's a HC thing. When the devs start coming up with custom ROMs down the line, I expect those problems to be solved (and new ones to pop up, lol).
[Acer Iconia A500] Lorimere:
To the OP.

I understand your situation and if your having that many issues I would just return it.

Other than the GPS and compass problem(looks like the same bug that was in the samsung galaxy phones until they got fixed), pretty much all other issues you have given are Honeycomb issues. And if you visit any of the other honeycomb tablet forums you will see the same issues.

The Hardware for honeycomb was pretty locked down by google, which is why every tablet out now has pretty much identical specs.

Software wise the only thing ACER added was thier little folders to group like apps. games, reading, multimedia, ect. So most of the issues you have with the software are honeycomb related and are something that all tablet owners are going to have to live with until honeycomb is updated.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mrdroid921:
Do you also not have the option to wake with the trackball anymore?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jpjj225:
Don't know why, but no its not in the new version. Same question was asked in their forums and still didn't get a real answer. I think they're going to put it back in eventually.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tcberg2010:
I bet if they put their source code out we would have trackball wake.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GRZLA:
If they put out source their whole sms system would be forked across all roms in a matter of hours.

MIUI's toast notification of sms with reply is the only reason i really enjoy MIUI.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tcberg2010:
That's the wonder of open source though. If google didn't make Android open source we wouldn't have MIUI, therefore imo MIUI source should also be open source.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mrdroid921:
Thanks guys. Hopefully they will fix it.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] renzo.olivares:
Its not broken they just haven't implemented it yet.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerocool79346:
They're shopping MIUI to the big name phone manufactures, seems the most likely to buy it is Motorola, so it doesn't make much sense for them to out their source code.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddyshatch:
I really enjoy MIUI just too buggy for me.. I've been running it since I had my og Droid and it sure has come a long way, still needs some work for sure.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chris98891:
I think the last few updates have been not steps, but leaps backwards. Each release has another new bug that just drives me up the wall, and its never fixed.

1. notification bar in lock screen constantly has date

2. carrier logo is permanently in notification bar when unlocked/no notifications

3. can't send sms to recipients with "-" in number/camera FC with flash

those are the last 3 most recent releases.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] renzo.olivares:
for number #3 ill test it and tell you if its true for you or for everyone.

and #1 doesn't bother me and #2 i don't get what youre saying.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chris98891:
multiple people confirmed it on miui.us, and i confirmed it on my buddys phone with the same 1.5.6.1

With #2, the carrier name is ALWAYS in the notification bar (unless there are active notifications) I used changecarriername to change it to something else, but either way it annoys me.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] renzo.olivares:
for #3 ye i also get it when i try to enter them to sms it doesn't show their name.. i have to go into contacts and click their contact info and press send sms.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerocool79346:
I don't have number 2, I don't know why, maybe its the theme I'm on or something.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] renzo.olivares:
I have the dark theme on.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Winston Lane:
#3 camera FC with flash...

You have to wait for it to focus then snap the pic! if you dont wait youll get the FC.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerocool79346:
Must be a dark theme only thing, except that I thought this problem arose on 1.4.30 which is what I'm running right now.
[Nook Color General] EverythingNook:
can you guys tell me some good settings to work on the nook? and what do you guys use to convert videos?

P.S. I have already seen the "Nook Color preset for Handbrake" and it said it would take over 4 hours to convert it!
[Nook Color General] hpark21:
Depending on resolution.

For low def videos on my OC kernel at 1.1Ghz, I can use moboplayer with software decoding without any issues with my AVI files.

(no need for conversion).

Not with 720p videos... They will need to be converted and using handbrake, I can achieve around real time or about 1.5x real time. (2 hr video will encode in about 1 1/2 hours) Just que them up and go to sleep.
[Nook Color General] EverythingNook:
thanks for the info! so avi files dont need to be converted?
[Nook Color General] angomy:
It depends on the AVI file. If the bitrate is too high or the resolution is above the maximum that the Nook supports (854x480), or both, your video app may attempt to play it in software decoding mode, which at the moment isn't very good.
[Nook Color General] EverythingNook:
wow man thanks for the amazing info, i will try these out!
[Nook Color General] angomy:
To add to this, I'm watching a 1-pass, 1500 kbps average bitrate (44.1/AAC/160kbps audio) hard subbed movie at the moment and tbqh I'm not sure if it's even worth it to 2-pass encode --- if you're really anal about any artifacting you may want to 2-pass, but for me it's not worth the extra time to encode unless I'm batching up for the night. To give you an idea of the size/time ratio, one minute of encoded video with these settings is ~12MB/min.

25 min episode: 300MB

2 hour movie: 1.44GB

If this is unacceptably large, I would suggest trying RF:20 fixed bitrate (which is roughly 1/2 the size) to see if you don't mind the occasionally visible artifacting.

Also, Mobo player doesn't seem to want to expand the videos edge-to-edge, but VitalPlayer and the default movie player both do. Unless I'm doing something wrong with Mobo, which is a possibility since I use VitalPlayer Neon the most. <-- never mind, I had clicked something in Mobo that prevented it from doing so initially, but they actually do display edge-to-edge by default.
[Nook Color General] hpark21:
Using Moboplayer (free) software decoding, I have no issue watching 704x400 AVI(xvid with mp3 audio). No skipped frames. Total bitrate of 1.3mbits (including audio I believe).

Like I mentioned, I am using OC kernel at 1.1GHz though.
[Nook Color General] Williamsmith123:
i used tool to converter my videos to mp4, h.264, 854*480 for playing on nook color, all are ok. i can play in full screen with high quality.

i also tried handbrake, and i think it is difficult to use, which takes me a lot of time to import my video.
[XPERIA X8 General] leaftheberry:
v1.2.4- Based on Floyo.

I had installed v1.0.0- Based on MiniCM rom by HAKA. Now i upgradet it via advanced restore to v1.2.4- Based on Floyo. Everything works fine.

Except for market. When i open market, it opens for a second or two, than it closes. I have wiped the cache, dalwik.

Any ideas where could the problem be?

Thanks for your help.
[LG Optimus 2x] dohanin:
I've been using Martin Börjesson's LED Notifications app for a while and you can now find it on the market!

"LG O2X Touch LED Notifications"

By Martin Börjesson

I found it's light on battery. And you can simply disable the notification part if you just want to recall the setting of touch LED brightness after reboot. It's free :)
[LG Optimus 2x] Pierrot94200:
I can't make it work with cyanogen nighlty :/
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
hmm..I can.
[LG Optimus 2x] emprize:
do i need to set any monitor app if i want it notice the miss call? if so, which?
[LG Optimus 2x] luminouche:
Can't make it work with DocSlim

I tested all settings, i changed parameters in Accessibility, nothing happens...
[LG Optimus 2x] L10nH34Rt:
Have you tried a reboot (though mine worked fine without on cm. Weird..)
[LG Optimus 2x] jlevy73:
Very nice, works on the G2x as well, with cm7
[LG Optimus 2x] Bigpsy:
it works on su660 (korean version of o2X) too. thanks for good information.
[LG Optimus 2x] lpn-:
Yep !

I've been using it since version 0.2 and it works really good. I just installed last version from market.

To emprize : no you don't need any app monitor for missed call. It's one of the 3 basics (Gmail, SMS/MMS, Missed call). Look into "notification" if "Missed call" is checked (should be by default).
[LG Optimus 2x] emprize:
thx mate! how come i cant see the "missed call", lol
[LG Optimus 2x] -=Beavis=-:
What about battery drain?
[LG Optimus 2x] jlevy73:
I haven't noticed any as of yet but the way the program is set-up, it could be a battery guzzler. This app loops check for notifications as opposed to being built into the framework
[LG Optimus 2x] -=Beavis=-:
Thanks for the reply. I think I'll just try it myself!

If anyone of you notices a serious battery drain I'd appreciate a post :D
[LG Optimus 2x] dohanin:
anybody know what's the accelerometer tolerance for? i don't quite get it.
[LG Optimus 2x] goulloux:
problems is that as soon as you have a notification, your phone will not go to sleep. And then will drain battery until you check your phone
[LG Optimus 2x] -=Beavis=-:
Yea that's what I mean but you didn't notice a serious drain because of that?

Just to be sure, the screen remains off and the buttons glow it is simply that the phone doesn't go into "sleep" mode (what somehow makes sense)?!
[LG Optimus 2x] goulloux:
Did some testing

And my sleeping phone (no notification) consume 2-3% an hour

With the notification glowing (meaning no sleep) for an hour, I loose 10%
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
The phone does sleep, the app has zero wakelock according to spare parts.
[LG Optimus 2x] goulloux:
well, the leds are still blinking, from what I know (I still may be wrong :) there's no LG routine for the blinking. It does mean it's done by the "LG O2X Touch LED Notifications" so no sleep...

well this is what I'm guessing, since we do not have the source code
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
Just cos an app does something doesn't mean it has to keep the phone awake to do it
[LG Optimus 2x] goulloux:
are you 100% sure about that ?

I only have one application out, so can't say I'm an Android expert. But from what I've read, you can't do much while the phone is in sleep.
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
If that was true they would never sleep, so much goes on in the background.
[LG Optimus 2x] jlevy73:
I haven't looked at the logcat but overnight it chewed through a significant amount of battery (as compared to the night before when the app wasn't installed). Tonight I'll just use the built-in sleep option as the pro of this app outweigh the cons imo
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
It works well, I use it to make sure no fecker bugs me at night :D
[LG Optimus 2x] goulloux:
Not really, there's a difference between a regular action launch every hour and a blinking led every 5 seconds

As my experience except for real low access you can't do any action without waking up the phone.
[LG Optimus 2x] lpn-:
I've been using it for some times now and since version 0.4 (we're in 0.5) battery drain is quite low (acceptable).

It's draining battery only when blinking and, with the sleep option, blinking only during day. I watch my phone so much that it can't be blinking very long.

And in v. 0.5 you can make it blink without fade to make it use less battery (I prefere fade in / fade out it's really classy ^^)

I had some bugs, LED blinking for no reasons but I deleted stock sms (I'm using Go SMS) and it seems to be good now ^^

The phone is only checking notification when the screen turn off, and the accelerometer is used to make it stop blinking if you were moving the phone at that moment (i.e. if you had it in hand, but you can change sensitivity).
[LG Optimus 2x] treborism:
great.....

working like a charm in my optimus 2x