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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The problem with Skype isn't really its existence or lack thereof. It's the fact that major players like Google and Microsoft do not have decent mobile clients. Windows Live Messenger supports VoIP and Video Calling. So did Google Talk and look how long it took Google to add it into Android. I'm unsure if Micorsoft is adding this in Mango, but we don't know all the details.

Read reviews online. Most people who post them want Skype for the Video Calling and Free Skype to Skype VoIP. With the proliferation of Smartphones these days, in many cases it's just dumb to pay Skype anything when you can have your friends install the app and do it all for free, Lol.

Google and Microsoft have the capacity to offer those same services with a better user experience. They just need to get off of their asses and do it. Skype hysteria is completely due to services like WLM and Google Talk sucking on smartphones.

Then again, Skype would probably file AntiTrust suits against them if they did that :P

I've never understood people who were all "SKYPE SKYPE SKYPE!" when they really should be saying "fix your fking mobile clients so we don't have to install this boring battery hogging app that restricts functionality on various platforms because they have carrier deals" and things like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
People is very inclusive. I had to intentionally break my Live Tiles for them to stop working. But, I do agree Push Notifications needs work, however, this is not a vital piece of the phone, and none of the major apps even use it. I do get extremely irritated when Microsoft can't communicate with my phone and it returns back to the server that I can't be reached... It should continue to try... Which is unfortunate as it takes Rowi & such to provide fixes, which shows its possible to make them more reliable for now. Second, BBM isn't AIM, I would argue that GTalk or whatever the hell it is would be more important than AIM, and there are already alternates. I believe AIM is the only major player with no support, third party included, on the OS, but you need to understand that THIS generation of American teenagers relies more on FB & Skype/Oovoo than I did on AIM 10 years ago... AlphaJax may be as good, but it doesn't have the cross-platform ability of WWF, nor its popularity. Potential iPhone customers want to see the name WWF, and Angry Birds, not Alpha Jax and Chicks&Vixens...

For you to downplay the Verizon inclusion, or Nokia deal is ridiculous tho, and we usually agree issues from what I've seen. Verizon singlehandedly blew Android up. ALONE, Lol. They made Motorola relevant again too. Verizon and AT&T jumping on the WP7 bandwagon is important, extremely. Microsoft is an American company, and as we saw with Xbox, their American success determines how hard they pursue the rest of the world. WP7 MUST be a success here, and I believe it will be... Android is also in trouble, lots of it, legal wise from what I keep reading.

Fanboyism? WinMo was a success until the market changed lol, a huge success. They just didn't want to jump into the consumer market the way they should have, but WinMo was huge... So huge that it's still being developed for on here, when it's pretty useless when it comes to the average consumer. Kin was a failure because I'm almost positive they were using it as a guinea pig for their cloud services... Which sucks for those customers. The Zune wasn't a failure either, they just didn't back it with the necessary advertising. But as far as a product, it was extremely successful, and it most cases, better than the iPod... And it led the way to this OS...

Microsoft has a history of pouring money into things it wants to succeed until it gets it right... I just see that. Apple got "lucky" with the iPhone, and they've run with it. And the iPhone has singlehandedly made they cool enough to own all of their products. But I see Microsoft's attempt to integrate everything now as a "we'll own these markets if it kills us" approach.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
- Teenagers might rely more on facebook but remember teenagers aren't the target from what MS stated last year. IM might still be the best option.

- Agreed on WWF, didn't know it was cross-platform. Don't get me started on Xbox Live.

- Maybe it's best to focus on other territories just as much, if not more than on the US. Verizon isn't in Europe but Android are still selling like hot cakes.

The key IMO is to have the best possible OS and as many carriers onboard as possible. I'm not downplaying Verizon, just stating doing well in the US isn't the end of the road (e.g. the Xbox 360 is behind the PS3 in worldwide sales).

The Nokia deal is great but many people have stayed with Nokia for Symbian (oddly enough) so not all users will carry over to WP7.

Let the OS do the talking is what I say, more than Verizon and Nokia.

- Yes Winmo was a success, I specifically said Winmo 6.5 which was an attempt to stay relevant in a changing market. That didn't work.

Zune was/is a great player (I went through 2) but it wasn't a success, which was the point I was arguing.

Kin was a failure, I'm sure they believed in it. Just like Zune it can bring great features to WP7 though.

So you must admit that your "MS never lose" was a bit pushing it, I'm sure other people can find other examples.

I'm just as optimistic as you are probably for WP7, it's just that I don't see it as a walk in the park at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Is this a teenage phone? You may be on to something here.

So verizon made a ton of different Androids, and sold them around the world to zillions of people. Don't let a single ad campaign fool you. You have to forget about HTC, Samsung, and Motorola to say that. I can guarantee you, it won't happen for WP.

OMG, the Xbox crutch. Stop it. Microsoft is a consumer failure, and you guys rely on this one product to measure its success.

Also, you know Oracle had to drop 98% of their claims against Android.

A huge success? Please stop it. The sales have never been great. The HD2 is the highest selling Microsoft phone EVER.

No, the company you praise called Verizon made Kin fail. It had a high ass smartphone data plan.

It was better than the iPod, it just didn't do as much as the iPod. Zune wasn't a success either. Stop it. Everyone knows it wasn't.

Name 4 consumer products that succeeded from Microsoft. Products that don't involve another corporation or OEM, Microsoft consumer products. I'll start

1. Xbox

2. ?

3. ?

4. ?

They got lucky with the iPhone? Sure my friend, lets not go there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
XBL is hindered by the lack of APIs, we both know that. We're going to see multiplayer the second Mango lands, I'll bet anything on that. Also, the OS can do all it wants, but when HTC and such put horrible quality cameras, and hardware on these devices, it's going to hinder their sales. I've been fortunate, but others haven't in terms of cameras and such.

About Android, they're about to have that success because of their explosion here though, and that's my point. Microsoft needs to succeed on its turf before it can succeed everywhere, same as Google did with Verizon.

And the PS3 might be ahead in lifetime sales, but my point is that now the 360 is the #1 platform afaik... And has been for a significant while now. And like I said about the Kin, I don't think they ever cared about the Kin, just what it offered, and how they could test their cloud services... At least it seemed like it. they released the Kin after development of WP started... Which leads me to believe they weren't in it for the long run.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TIGGAH:
It's not dead. Not by a long shot..

WP7 has slow adoption rates but it's doing fine. The general public who buys most of this stuff has no idea Mango exists or what it would do for them.

WP7 is a great, feature rich, easy to use and elegant OS. It has what it needs to excel it just needs more advertising and some kick ass hardware like Android has been getting.

Updates like Mango only appeal to the very small number of enthusiasts such as ourselves.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It depends on how you define dead. Form a development perspective it's dead. There are too many things you simply can't do on the platform, nad there are too many apps that are impossible to port due to the lack of APIs. From that point of view it's dead. Mango will change that. Mango will also make the platform more desireable because it won't be seen as a dead end for so many people, as WP7 currently is with it's limitations and lack of top/useful apps.

If you mean dead by ceasing to exist than that's not possible, not even Windows Mobile is dead yet, if going by that definition.

But there cannot be much momentum for WP7 until Mango hits. The OS was released in a state that simply doesn't allow it at the moment.

If you look at WP7 and Mango the way Microsoft looks at them: two completely different OS releases instead of a base OS and an update or SP, then the average consumer who brought these devices and were forced (using the term loosely) to use it in its current state should be pretty pissed, IMO. I think Microsoft would have struggled to sell half the devices they did if they told users up front they'd have to wait a year for a decent feature update before it RTM'd...

The way they view it, trying to justify the current state of the OS with Mango is like trying to justify RTM Vista using Windows 7 as a rebuttal. It just doesn't work, especially when users have months of this clunky user experience to look forward to before they get an update, and lord knows how to carriers will handle that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
windows Live/Massanger whatever you call it will be built in/integrated in the contacts/people tile.

MS is trying to buy Skype, or joint venture, so u will see video call on WP7.5 devices...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Last time I checked, Marketplace was doing just fine for a platform that's 6 months old. I agree there are gaps in functionality and things devs can't do, but does it warrant the term "dead" really?

Mango schmango. WP7 won't have any serious marketshare until it gets dozens of devices and worldwide distribution. Even if it were the most functional thing in the world it would still need it, otherwise it's doomed to linger in the WebOS type of marketshare limbo.

Oh, and a couple of "flagships", too.

Why should I be pissed, sorry?
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
Waiting for this but i'm not holding my breath. With their track record, this Mango update could get released waaay late 2011 or early 2012. Maybe when the flagship Nokia/WP7 comes out with better specs than what is present (3year? old specs), and IF they expand their marketplace/zune support to include my country, with way better apps and games that are worth the Xbox Live logo ( Lunar Lander anyone?) i'll consider picking one up again (gave my HTC Trophy to my sister).
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Seriously, this is just a preview. Stop complaining people.

We are going to have everything we asked for!

Messenger, Skype, Twitter and Facebook inside our OS like no other.

Better push notifications, faster, more reliable.

API, API, API and more API.

IE9

Multi Task for third apps(!!!!!!!!!!!)

New languages, dictionarys, markets..

And bug corrections.

What more do you want? Microsoft wouldn't announce something like "Oh, and it download embedded images from email. It's magical!".

Or you expect they to mention something stupid like that?

Wait and try the OS by yourself.

Usually, I'm complaining about MS and their failures. But.. Seriously, they're doing everything fine about Mango. At least, until now.

I bet someone will say "oh, it doesn't have video chat". Screw it. No one uses it. Even the 'Almighty' Android doesn't have it. Guess just now, and just for Nexus S. No one really care. It's just to say "I have it!".

Stop complaining for nothing. Microsoft is doing great!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
Why? I think the samsung devices are doing fine, once mango has more languages a new major part of the world will start buying the devices. Right now if a phone is not in your native language a lot of people are not interested thus it is not marketed in those countries (half of europe). Imagine these markets which are very wealthy countries (some of the most wealthy countries actually) start to buy wp7. In these countries the design of the software is very important, maybe even more important than the features and if HTC will also design good devices along with Samsung I think they will stay. The people who've seen my phone asked me what it was and if I like it. I say yes, however native language support + multitasking + next level apps (all comming with mango) will really make it a superb platform.

Most guys here are phone tweakers, dont forget the majority of the customers are not like us and if they see some well designed apps like IMDB they are sold.

The reality at the moment is no native language for those countries, buggy features because of the system locale settings, no marketing/advertisement, no possibility yet to BUY apps (yes this is very important for a smartphone). Once Mango drops the word will spread and it will surely count. Samsung who sells a lot of its devices on these markets will see boosts in sales, I can see people being done with android or BB or iphone after those years of the same lay-out, so a change to WP7 will be very logical and if all desired features will be there people will enjoy it and tell their friends,
[Windows Phone 7 General] buffalosolja42:
well nice review....

You guys are all entitled to your opinion but you guys forgot about MS antitrust from monopoly items is about to drop, everyone raves about integration lets see what they bring. Don't you think its great timing to release Mango to developers after this goes away this month...... We will just have to see what they do with the power they have.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
People did know what they were getting into. I miss all the features I had before as well, but I knew it was new and would be missing those features. I stayed with it because the OS is so much better than anything else, and I can see where it is and will be going.

Almost EVERYTHING people are missing is coming in Mango (+Nokia deal (ovi maps will be great in countries bing maps isnt as good in)). Thats one seriously big update that none of the other platforms ever saw, and will single handily bring WP OS to at least what the others offer, if not more depending on what else they add...with better all around integration. There will still be things left to add after mango, but the majority of things will be taken care of, and they will continue to add the small things such as minor tweaks/additions, and people's OCD needs. If you aren't excited for Mango I don't know what to tell ya. And we only know of the 'leaks' let alone any other good stuff announced in a couple weeks.

If you can't function with the OS like it is, why did you buy it? If you can't wait for Mango, or don't like the OS, move on. Stop torturing yourself lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
More Mango Goodness:

Integrated Facebook Chat/AOL IM also being integrated in addition to WLM & Skype.

Group messaging coming, Xbox Hub Layout Changes.....

Some other stuff....read it here:

http://wpdevpodcast.com/2011/05/15/episode-016-more-mango-madness/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Thank you dtboos for bringing us back to the actual topic.

8 days before the event, the leaks have been pretty exciting, let's hope it all pans out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
I can't wait for the rest, The online chat thing is the best imo. It's like BBM but with Facebook/WLM and AIM... Seriously I can't wait for mango ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
New API's and Twitter integration like Facebook right? This'll be awesome! and the new hardware specs/requirements will also be revealed right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] solidkevin:
Any Idea when we might get Mango? Will it need new hardware? Aside from the HD7S im not a big fan of any of the current WP's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
We will not more about 'when' on May 24th (next week) when they have their big event. It will not need new hardware. All current phones will get the update. But any new abilities like Gyroscope, Front Facing Camera ect you would obviously need a phone with those installed to take advantage of those features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Back on topic, I wonder what other improvements are being made to Zune.

I'd like to see "plugin" support or something like that in both the desktop and phone client so we can use last.fm to scrobble.

Setting the artist as the background will be great, I used to love that on HTC Sense although if it's anything like the backgrounds that come up on the Zune Desktop Client then this will be much better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
More Mango goodies (IT):

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...tivity-takes-a-big-step-forward-in-mango.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] solidkevin:
Nice, Im gonna wait to see what new hardware comes with mango, hope its soon as Its either a mango wp7 or IP5 for me, I really wanna like WP7 but I want it at a complete, mature state, lets see if apple really steps up IOS as WP is just awesome looking and and works well, just needs those missing things, im done with android personally.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
The TechEd announcements are small things which make huge impacts

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiny17:
To get this thread back on topic, I will leave this juicy rumor here:

It will likely be announced on the 24th that Mango will be released this summer, which will likely mean that people on carriers will probably start getting the update as early as September, those less fortunate, October, and so forth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
That would be AWESOME. Where did you hear the rumor?
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
Thread reopened......

Keep it on topic. You are only getting one warning.

In case you were'nt aware, the topic is the Mango update.....

I dont care about apple, I dont care about Android..........

I really do not give a monkeys about your personal feelings about WP7.

If you want to voice those opinions you are in the wrong place.

Please do not attempt to make off the cuff remarks accompanied by some vague reference to Mango.

Derail this thread and you will be infracted.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
every single day there are new things popping up in the news as new features in Mango update....

i have set the countdown on my HD7 for the launch date...

MS said wait for 25th may 2011 for something big and its going to be big...
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
This should be merged with the two/three other threads about this for easy reference tbh, so users don't need to go through three threads for various information.

Btw, did anybody see the WPCentral & WMPoweruser posts about the new HTC with the 16mp camera for T-Mobile? It looks and sounds like the Nexus on crack for Windows Phone lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
We don't generally merge threads anymore. .

Feel free to offer up links and I'll insert them into the op
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Thanks to the mod for cleaning up the thread.

I wanted to make a comment on this post:

If this happens this will be great for the OS. I think it is important for them to hit the ground running before November. I think this is going to be a better Christmas than last year (USA up 14% retail, best in 4 years) so there is some money to be made.

So where are we at?

A fresh but limited OS with nice handsets but poor sales on launch.

A bunch of grumbling about no updates and missing features.

A planned massive software update that, if all goes according to plan, will make the system a decent one even in the eyes of its harshest critics.

A rollercoaster ride but that goes with the business. There will always be more features to add and more bugs to fix, but what we all need to understand is choice is a good thing, even if it is caviar vs crumbs.

Can't wait. Bring on that Nokia Windows Phone. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
And yet another great news for people with multiple email accounts: http://bit.ly/jRSO7U
[Android Software Development] greydarrah:
I'm developing an android app that acceses the camera. Can anyone point me towards some documentation on how to use it?
[Android Software Development] killersnowman:
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/Camera.html

From something awesome
[Android Software Development] greydarrah:
What if you are wanting to do some custom stuff like a vignette, color tinting, altering contrast...

Anyone know how this can be done?
[Galaxy S II Themes and Apps] Jonnyw2k:
hey,

I couldn't get on with the samsung keypad or swype, so I pulled the LatinIME.apk off my CM7 HTC Desire, I've just noticed I dont have haptic feedback now. Has anyone else noticed this or have a solution?

Cheers,

Jonny
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Niko666:
Hi all,

first from all, take my apologies for my english.

Now back to topic, I have a serious problem with my leo (T8585). It was started to freeze from a few weeks, after I changed ROM, but allways i was able to restet it. And now it froze for good. The screen is black and any buttons are not lighting. At the begining when i have removed battery and put it back, i could feel vibration at start but the screen didn't turn on. After several attemps I was able to run the device. And then, when i have tried downgrade radio from 2.15.50.14 to 2.14.50.04, it has showed me a error at the begin of process (0% of progress). I restarted device, but now I don't feel even vibration at start.

What can I do with this? Any ideas? Please, help me :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silverwind:
What ROM did you flash? Maybe it is caused by a bug in the ROM..

Try another different ROM.

I test almost all ROM here, and Radio 2.15 is the best radio so far.

BTW, you need HSPL to flash a Radio or if you dont have HSPL installed, you have to flash the full stock rom.

Cheers
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hanir:
Hello,

my friend was on Toxic 7 with OverStock 1.5.2 on it,

and he wanted to try a new kernel and he installed the CM7 kernel

(yeah stupid ><) so he got stuck on the CM7 kernel boot screen..

after that he tried to go in recovery mode and restore some backups which

didn't work because it was a newer recovery mod or something.. And he used an update.zip of clockworkmod..

But now when I try to go into the recovery mode it doesn't work..

Also the only screen he gets is the vibrant boot screen and the usb

doesn't work 2. I connect it to my pc and nothing happends..:mad:

I hope you guys can help.

edit: OK I just went into download mode,

downloading tar file and my internet is ****ing slow so dl'ing will take a while..
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
If you need a guide for ODIN to stock (and possibly a faster download) check my signature for going back to stock
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nhorn1983:
download the vibrant toolbox its a god send and has all files u would ever need
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hanir:
Thanks guys,

saved my friend alot of money ;).
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djk21108:
I get tired installing everything with titanium backup. If I use a nandroid backup can I go from ROM's such as comm romm 1.3, to Evil fascination without use of titanium backup?

Would I just go into recovery and go to advanced restore and restore just the data? Would this screw up the whole ROM or would I get my system settings and apps back?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djk21108:
Another quick question, and off topic:

I have update.zip on my sd card from flashing CWM many moons ago. I'm on version 3 of CWM, do I still need update.zip on my phone?