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[Thunderbolt General] Jrocker23:
From what I have heard, it was a software issue with the cell towers. Verizon supposedly has either updated their towers and are possibly still updating some. In turn this has caused the radio and non updated towers to not talk properly to each other which in turn forces a phone reboot so it can try to lock on and talk properly...

I have no defenite proof except for a good friend from verizon and some talk thats been on the net...

Just my 2 cents
[Thunderbolt General] bunklung:
LOTS of people with this issue. Either VZW/HTC is going to work on a fix or they are going to replace thousands of phones:

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/13/htc-thunderbolt-users-experiencing-random-reboots-after-update/

My impressions:

-Most of my reboots happen under weak 3G signal.

-They have never happened on 4G.

-Most of reboots happen when driving in my car.

-switched back to .12 radio and no more reboots., only happens on .13 radio (aka leak and now known as "OTA")

I run .13 RUU with root and .12 radio.
[Thunderbolt General] kriskmk:
Not a single reboot since upgrading to the latest leak. I did see reboots before. I am rooted and running stock.
[Thunderbolt General] nerozehl:
This is by far -- for me -- the most believable reason why the reboots are occurring. It's the only reason that makes sense considering it's an issue that transcends all ROMs, kernels, firmware, and radio.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Very informative...
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Also very informative... The reboot for me happened while I was driving... It is possible that the reboots on my wife's phone was an isolated issue either with her phone or the 4g sim card as her phone had never been updated to the leak/OTA... I've got her phone switched it but it's still got the same sim card so I guess time will tell... For me, unless these reboots start increasing in frequency, I won't revert back to the old radio. Its only happened once since the leak was released...
[Thunderbolt General] mdeblaz:
I'll debunk this... I'm unrooted and installed the OTA yesterday. I live and work in NYC and signal is as strong as it gets. My phone rebooted itself this morning about 20 mins after I got the office.

The only part of my morning that was a weak signal was during the subway ride... but the reboot happened probably 30 mins after I was out of the subway... made a call... listening to music... checked mails... etc. etc.

No reboot after the subway ride home so I doubt that's the reason
[Thunderbolt General] ei8htohms:
My wife has had a few reboots (stock), I've had a few less

I think I may have had two or three reboots (that I'm aware of) while my wife has had considerably more. I'm running Liquid 1.3 and she's stock for now and just had a reboot while on the phone after updating today. We're in NYC with generally good 4G coverage but I definitely experience annoying loss of data signal at times. Nothing that makes me regret getting the phone though.

_john
[Thunderbolt General] stayin100:
My self and my father both live very close to each other, in a great 3g coverage area. Both Rooted TB's he's on bamf remix 1.6.3 and im on bamf remix 1.6.2, I get reboots about once a day, and he's never noticed one. He is on the 15 dollar data plan so he has background data off and nothing synced, I am a data hog and stream pandora to my bt speaker bar at work 8 or 9 hours a day. Thats how I generally notice reboots, the music stops. Now he may just not be noticing his reboots because he uses his phone far less than I, but doubtful... just a .02
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Thanks for the input, especially from being in NYC...where there is a strong 4g signal...I'm still of the opinion something on the network is causing this... I just don't think this would be happening if this were just a standard 3g phone
[Thunderbolt General] lazarus2297:
I am running stock no root and did the leaked update which is now official.. I had the modded my Verizon app installed and never really thought that could cause problems but I was having reboots.. so after some research I uninstalled the app and went two days w/o a reboot I installed the app this morning and 3 reboot by 4 o'clock needless to say I have uninstalled again and will see if reboots persist w/o that app installed
[Thunderbolt General] Immolate:
I'm on Das Bamf 1.6.3 and never had a reboot until today when my eyes were drawn to my phone because the screen was white. It startled me a bit. What the? I haven't changed a thing on the phone for a few days. I live in a good 3G area with no 4G.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Apparently this is happening without any sort of real pattern, different roms, kernels. apps, radios, rooted and unrooted phones, and in 4g and 3g areas. That narrows it down to either a network issue, if that could, by itself, cause a phone to reboot, an issue with the phone itself, or a combination of the two. I'm at a loss...
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Duplcate..
[Thunderbolt General] darkrom:
Someone who experiences random reboots frequently please try removing and reseating your 4g card. Please post results and let us know if this fixes the issue. I have my theories.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
I will definitely try this and report the results... The only thing is I've only had one random reboot since owning the phone... And my wife's phone, which was the one having the frequent issues... Has been replaced. Regardless, I'll try it...
[Thunderbolt General] DigitalSileR:
I didn't have any reboots until after the leaked radio.

I was streaming bluetooth music to my car radio when it happened through pandora wasn't watching it to see signal etc...

other times I am asleep and waken by bright white boot screen or in my pocket, never had a reboot while using the phone in hand looking at it.
[Thunderbolt General] miketoasty:
Just wanted to chime in I have been using the leaked radio since it's inception and have had 0 reboots. Everything has been running smooth with no problems at all. Again just my experience.
[Thunderbolt General] micromania:
I have had my thunderbolt for 1 month now. I had 1 reboot total in that time period when i was installing some apk.

I am unrooted, using stock.

Been also running the new ruu for 2 days, no reboots.

I should mention I live in northern jersey 10 mins from nyc, and I get 4g everywhere i go within at least a 30 mile radius. In fact, i can't remember ever losing 4g signal, except when it went down nationally.
[Thunderbolt General] sonsofblades:
Verizon is replacing mine for the random rooting. Completely stock, no ota.

Edit: stupid prediction on here. Booting should be in place of rooting.
[Thunderbolt General] miketoasty:
Random rooting now that really is a problem! Just kidding of course.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
Rooted on Blackhole. Never had a reboot. I don't live in a 4G area though either. Strong 3G signal.
[Thunderbolt General] JoseGutierrez:
Only started having random reboots after I flashed the then leaked radio.

HTC Thunderbolt --- das BAMF 1.5 Remix
[Thunderbolt General] stoli412:
Running BAMF 1.6.3 with leaked radio. Live in a strong 4G area but usually leave on 3G only. I started experiencing random reboots a couple days ago when eHRPD was re-enabled, but it seems to have settled down a little bit.
[Thunderbolt General] cstrife999:
I'll be damned just had my first one... Probably because I said I didn't and god wanted to ***** smack me. I think he said "***** reboot..." Yea ironic. Still happy with build quality and it feels like a tank. Very happy with this phone.
[Thunderbolt General] mthe0ry:
I am running stock and have not done any modding on my phone and I haven't had a single reboot, either prior to or after the update.

It is surprising to me that people are claiming they have reboots when they are running stock as well. You have made no mods at all? What happens when you call Verizon and complain, to they acknowledge that it is a known issue?
[Thunderbolt General] bunklung:
From reading other people's stock experiences, some who call Verizon are just getting new phones sent to them under warranty.

VZW doesn't appear to acknowledge this as an issue. I read one person's experience say that VZW acknowledges battery drain issues with the new update, but not rebooting.
[Thunderbolt General] DRGilroy:
So far, I've been lucky with only one reboot(knock on wood). I was rooted running BAMF 1.5 with the leaked Radio and had just tried the lean kernel extreme. I attributed my reboot to the kernel I had just installed. After rolling back to Adryn's kernel, everything was all good.

I am currently on BAMF 1.6.3 with leaked radio and kernel from the ROM with no issues. My coverage is predominately 4g here in San Diego. Occasionally, I'll see signal drop to 3g for a little while before going back to 4g. This mostly happens when going into and leaving work. I park in an under ground parking structure which gets no signal.

I hope the reboots everyone is experiencing can be resolved.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Well I haven't experienced any auto reboots today....yet... *knock on wood* ... This has got to be some issue with the software on our phones and the data switching going on... Thanks for all of the input, everyone.
[Thunderbolt General] iLLusive_:
Im in Sioux Falls SD and do have the OTA update. Before the update I got 1-2 reboots per day every since they were testing out 4G in this area before I saw the 4g come on for a few hours around first week of April I never had a single reboot ever. I have my phone on me and I'm awake roughly 10am all day until 2/3 am. Since I saw the 4g on for a few days that week I got those 1-2 reboots.

With OTA update I now get reboots roughly every 1 - 2 hours. Great thing is I was just on phone with Supervisor at Verizon who are taking care of some issues with my TB IE: Random reboots and phone mid call rebooted :P My phone is completely stock have never attempted a root and this is a 3g only area. 3g symbol has been appearing an disappearing on phone non-stop as well even though under "Wireless & Networks" always shows Mobile Network - Connected. From few times I have actually been looking at the screen when it does this it seems to have just lost that 3g symbol and only had zero to 1 bars of reception showing. Also want to mention these are not normal reboots due to fact the white HTC screen is first screen to come up on the shutdown and it stays there for roughly 30 secs before even starting the booting process. When normally that screen is only up for myself on normal reboot for 2 seconds.
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
ETA til Verizon issues an emergency ota update?

:D
[Thunderbolt General] dadsterflip:
im not sure if this has been posted but my thoughts are something to do with the way 3g and 4glte transition? im on a non 4g place and 3g sometimes have a hard time staying on but i noticed one time that it was having a hard time transitioning from 1x to 3g then it reboots. maybe there is a conflict on that file or program? just a thought. thx

edit. when i was on driod x running liberty and had random reboots. Dev of that liberty just told me to move out all the apps from the sd card and it fixed the problem. maybe same thing on the tbolt?
[Thunderbolt General] Zenwood:
Random Reboots

I am running a stock Thunderbolt. I did the OTA update yesterday. I have had about six random reboots today. Every time it reboots it eats lots of power.
[Thunderbolt General] OgreMkV:
OK, here's a thought...

Could everyone post your thoughts on your battery life as well as the reboot issue?

I've noticed that there seems to be two types of bolts, those with good battery life and those with horrid battery life. I wonder if there is an internal issue with some phones that is causing both a battery drain and resulting in a reboot.

For example, I've had mine for about a week and a half now. No reboots, awesome battery life. With average (for me) use, I can go two days on a charge easily.*

The only other thing I can think of is maybe a faulty heat sensor that is shutting the phone down randomly because it thinks the phone is too hot... especially if it occurs frequently in a car.

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Average is a couple dozen texts, one or two short calls, checking e-mails and facebook a couple times an hour, rare GPS usage, 20-30 minutes of game time and the occasional app download.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Yes, the reboots eat a lot more battery than I've seen on other HTC devices... I'm not sure if enabling fast-boot would combat such a thing... I never have it turned on on my TB so I can load into CWR if need be... It's something to do with the software on the TB and the way that it interacts with the network... I've never encountered such a thing...but this is my second phone on Verizon, the first was a dinc, and I had it for only a short time...before that I was on T-mobile...which has great phones...but ****e service in my area...still 1x atm...
[Thunderbolt General] Longwayii:
I have mine on lte mode only and no record at all. I am running liquidsense 1.45 if that matters.
[Thunderbolt General] Longwayii:
I meant no reboots at all!
[Thunderbolt General] shovelheadhd:
I've had random reboots on both the original ruu and now the new update. I am rooted but I generally notice random reboots when I am traveling.

I've noticed that when I leave work my coverage is generally two bars but as I hit the interstate to travel home I get a full signal. I have had a least one reboot when I moved from the lower signal to the higher signal area. Could be that my phone rebooted when I moved to a different tower, who knows. I wasn't using gps, I think I was either txting my wife to let her know I was on the road or checking twitter for an update for cm7 from slayher.

Today I had one when traveling back from the lower part of the state of SC to my home in the upstate of SC. I was running waze so I believe this is why I noticed the reboot this time. I'm not too sure if I went from a low signal to a higher one this time but I do know I was on the road getting ready to hit the interstate and my phone reboots.

Since the last reboot I've changed my radio over to CDMA auto after noticing my 3G icon going off and on. These are just two events where I can remember my phone rebooting on its own. I do know that from checking my uptime here and there on my phone I usually don't make it more than 24-36hrs before the time starts back over. I'm going to stick with the CDMA auto for a few days and see if that helps any.
[Thunderbolt General] revaew:
I flashed the perfect storm 1.4 onto my phone but I didn't flash the new radio with it. My TB was reboot free for several days. Then I flashed the newest drodspeed kernel onto my phone. After doing this I noticed my phone not "rebooting" per se. It just occasionally froze and required a reboot to unfreeze.

I did notice that the freezes occurred when ever I went from my crappy 3G area into the 4G area where I work or when I would lose signal and then regain 3G coverage. It doesn't freeze when going from a strong 3G to a 4G area though.

sent like thunder
[Thunderbolt General] kwiggington:
Im rooted no ota and no reboots but my signal does drop off now and then for the last week or so
[Thunderbolt General] kwiggington:
Im starting to feel this phone was rushed out way to soon anybody else feel the same?
[Thunderbolt General] Robertus:
Totally stock. Only had 1 random reboot in the first 2 months. On the new OTA update, I lost 4G connection once and had to reboot to get it back. I'm sorry to hear about so many people having problems but just do not have the same experience. Still, I think it's network related. I keep hearing about so much inconsistent experience not only with this problem but also with battery issues. Maybe it's local network issues, eg, with specific towers needing to be tweaked for best perfomance. 4G LTE is in it's infancy. Still much to learn for Verizon engineers and technicians. I remember BMX saying that the TB could never be a 3G only phone because it is so dependent on 4G technology (or the new 3G tech).

Even with the problems, I would never go back to a 3G phone. Love the speed! Even when I don't need it, I still love the speed. I've always carried a couple of spare batteries for my smartphones; I just need to use them more with my ThunderBolt.
[Thunderbolt General] Mayhem8869:
I never noticed reboots when I was stock. But it was only stock for a little while. But I never had any reboots until I tried the leaked radio - didnt seem to fix the GPS either, but never tried the GPS Status "fix". Went thru a couple custom ROMs and settled on BAMF (upgrading as they came out). Also even noticed my data connection freezing and dropping. I live in a NO LTE area, but get good 3G strength. I reverted to the new CDMA/OLD LTE radio combo (2nd on the thread) and havent had a reboot since. Also ran the GPS Status app and get good GPS lock now too. Also had reboots with GPS disabled (only needed in the car and charging). But the reverted radio has solved my reboots and data connection issues so far.
[Thunderbolt General] cowisland:
Had no reboots on stock (not rooted) until the OTA update two days ago. Since the update got two reboot already at absolutely random times. See no reason to keep it on stock any more...
[Thunderbolt General] scriz:
I've had the phone for 3 days and I've gotten 1 random reboot. Compared to the 0 random reboots I got on the 3 months I had my iPhone.
[Thunderbolt General] sfctac:
Stock, not rooted, not updated, no reboots, but I do occasionally experience fast battery drain accompanied by phone getting warm. Battery gets very hot when phone is used for navigation. Besides the 1x issue a few weeks ago, I've only seen the phone transition to 3g twice, the rest of the time I am on 4g. I am in SF Bay Area.
[Thunderbolt General] phatal:
I've found that the reboots are related to an incoming phone call. Twice yesterday my phone reboot. Once it came back (each time) I had a voicemail.

I tested it a couple times and was able to get the phone to restart once by calling it. NOT GOOD!

I'm stock ( OTA update installed but not rooted).
[Thunderbolt General] scriz:
Mine rebooted while it was in my lap, not doing anything.
[Thunderbolt General] DroidTh3ory:
Hybrid radio .06 CDMA/.07 LTE with Tesla Coil 1.7.1. Lean Kernel Extreme Special 2.5 with Swap.

Never seen a reboot.

___

Sent frommy HTC ThunderBolt 4G LTE.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Absolutely bizarre that there doesn't seem to be any pattern other than that it appears that more people on the new radio are experiencing random reboots. I'll be honest, I've owned quite a few Android phones and the only experience I've had with random reboots had to do with OC'ing.... My only advice is if this is happening frequently for you, you should call Verizon and make this issue heard by them. After they've replaced enough phones for the same thing, they'll get fed up with spending the money to keep sending out replacement phones and actually come out with a real solution.
[Thunderbolt General] Mako84:
I'm running bamf 1.6.3 with leaked radio data set at cdma auto prl, so no 4G 3g transitions. While on my train ride into work I got one lockup and two reboots all in a time span of 20 minutes. At the time I was just listening to music on my SD card and playing online poker that's it. Sometimes ill go a few days without a reboot but usually if it does happen its only once for that day, todays occurrence was very strange.
[Thunderbolt General] n8theshredder:
I used to get frequent reboots when I used the leaked radio. I'm now using the new CDMA radio and old LTE radio combo, and have gotten NO random reboots since. It's been atleast about a month without a reboot. Also, I'm usually always in cdma auto prl, but never had a reboot when I switch to 4g.
[Thunderbolt General] Crimton:
this ^^ combo radio=no more reboots for me
[Thunderbolt General] essgeewhy:
I've had my TBolt for about a month and can't remember any reboots until the update. I'm still stock and non-rooted. I live in a reasonable 3G area but there is a decent 4G signal here as well. I've experienced several reboots a day. I am using LTE onOff and am set to CDMA auto (PRL). I am also going to try and reseat the 4G card for grins.

Edit... I re-seated the card... no luck has rebooted 4 times sine I 1st posted, twice in the past 5 mins.
[Thunderbolt General] Zenwood:
Random Reboots

I did a factory data reset about 6 hours ago. No reboots after the reset.
[Thunderbolt General] DRGilroy:
Okay, today I had a reboot while at Church. I was setting my phone to vibe only when it had rebooted. I had no 4g reception and was on 3g. The 3g signal didn't look to be that good either. I seem to remember my last random reboot happening while at Church as well when doing the same thing.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
My phone randomly rebooted again today, again this happened while I was driving through town, which leads me to believe this has something to do with changing from strong data or signal to weak and then back again. The phone doesn't seem to reboot when I'm not on the move.
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
wow I just got a reboot just awhile ago! this is the first reboot I had since I got the phone on launch date...I am running stock
[Thunderbolt General] nhizzat:
my sister and i have thunderbolts, neither are rooted. we've both experienced random reboots before and after the OTA update.

wish i could return the phone because it seems to be the red-headed stepchild in HTC's lineup.
[Thunderbolt General] vargo911:
Just got my second reboot on my second day after the ota. So far I average one reboot a day.

I re rooted back to stock before I OTA.
[Thunderbolt General] miketoasty:
As stated earlier in this thread it's Verizon's fault for the random reboots not HTC's.
[Thunderbolt General] mbrown3460:
wow just happen again. Man this is ridiculous so much problems with this phone man! each time the phone reboots its eating away 20 percent of my battery life! What is Verizon saying about this?
[Thunderbolt General] animez:
Stock not rooted here. Had no reboots the day I upgraded (that I noticed), had like 1 or 2 yesterday then 4 or 5 today. Since I'm not in a 4g area I decided to switch the modem to evdo instead of eHRPD. If it seems to make a difference I'll post it.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] stanlalee:
I run the leak radio, perfect storm 1.4 and adr 4.4.5 or lean kernel. I've had 4 reboots total and EVERY single time my music player was playing when it happened! Sense and MIUI player. Have no idea what this means lol. Never rebooted any other time. No 4G here, no manipulated radio switching
[Thunderbolt General] n8theshredder:
Random reboots? Try this:

So a few weeks ago, Adrynalyne started a Radio thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1045081

The first radio combo gave me random reboots. However, the 2nd radio combo works flawlessly. It's the one in the thread that is the new cdma radio (.7) + old LTE radio (.6). If you're frustrated with random reboots, try it. ... Thank adrynalyne for posting them.
[Thunderbolt General] swamp2:
Just one more possibly useful data point.

Original factory ROM, no OTA, So Cal. NO random reboots, ever.
[Thunderbolt General] aschnell:
+1

A week with above listed combo and no reboots. At least one a day with new radio.

Bamf 1.6.3 not OC
[Thunderbolt General] Hellzya:
Leaked radio, perfect storm 1.4, not one reboot. I'm in a big 4g covered area and rarely leave it.

sent from a tower
[Thunderbolt General] sprodigy:
Thanks for the tip, i'm going to give this a shot. I'm frustrated with the random reboots (I live in a 3G only area), especially during crucial moments. Like yesterday, when I was using navigation and all of a sudden my phone turned off :eek:
[Thunderbolt General] shoot2scre:
Rooted, BAMF 1.6.3. with adr lean kernel. Never had any random reboots. Just have long delays before GPS locks-on.