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[Epic 4G General] shook187:
http://www.mobilebusinessbriefing.c...ked-to-data-pricing-strategy-switch-next-week
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
10 GB !

i don't even touch that.....

so this won't really affect me though...

.... Now its a thread.
[Epic 4G General] styckx:
I'm reading for non smart phone devices only. Tabs, air cards etc.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Ah! That is more like it. Hesse just did the whole "not believing in data caps" promo. Also the only reason I am still on Sprint.

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] cadams14:
If this is TRUE. I will jump ship. Everyone I know is with Verizon and their network here is much larger, than Sprint. I stayed with them because of the unlimited Data Plans. I use data for work, CC, Navigation, Pandora, Weather, etc. You get the picture.
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
If it applies to smartphone users, and you seriously use more than 10gb/mo:

A) Verizon has no plan for you.

B) you are less than 1/10 of 1% of Sprint's data consumers and they will NOT miss you.
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
What will be the prices and limits for Verizon's tiered plan.
[Epic 4G General] kryptoniteman:
Was bound to happen....all the users on bragging about their data usage and wifi tethering
[Epic 4G General] bigray327:
The thread should be closed after this. The rest is just irrelevant.
[Epic 4G General] jrdatrackstar:
From what I'm reading, this will be a really good thing, as it will give us the option to perhaps switch to cheaper plans. I would not touch anything near 10GB, and 5GB would be perfect for me....
[Epic 4G General] Protoroll:
It seems like no one is reading the article including the original poster. This only applies for non-smartphone devices. This thread title should be revised or this thread should be closed.
[Epic 4G General] ort84:
Where did you see that? I saw no mention of this being for non smartphone users
[Epic 4G General] shook187:
No where did I read its only for dumb phones!!
[Epic 4G General] humdrum2009:
Sprint better tread carefully,Dont want to piss pf consumers with more charges.

As they become more like Verizon,what would be the reason to stay with them?

As stated its for non smartphone customers but how long before they touch us in the wallet too.:confused:
[Epic 4G General] vansmack:
Ah, but will this take me out of Premiere status if I drop below $90? Save a few bucks here or get a new phone every year...decisions, decisions.
[Epic 4G General] vansmack:
And here are the other "rumor" articles that state it's for data cards only:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ta-structure-for-embedded-devices-not-phones/
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ta-structure-for-embedded-devices-not-phones/
[Epic 4G General] tigerknight:
Tiered plans not so bad

My current phone data plan costs $80 a month for unlimited, and I only use a couple hundred megs a month at most. If I could drop that by almost $50 as a result of my being a light user, I'd love it.

I forgot where I saw an article about it, maybe it was for AT&T/iPhone, but the notion of variable rate based on your use seems like a good idea to me. Start out at a base (that $35/mo for 3gb isn't too bad) that notches up when you cross a line, and becomes more bulk friendly as you go, and every month it resets to the base. If I went really heavy on data usage for a month, my bill would be at that $80 unlimited point, but if I went sparingly I'd only get charged $35 for under 3gb, or maybe $55 for 8gb before hitting the 'unlimited' mark at say 10gb.

My phone is a tool, a convenience to make my life better in some minor form. It does not make me who I am as a person, and it would be nice to have that reflected in my wallet as a result.
[Epic 4G General] adelmundo:
Yes this only goes for non-phone devices. Only affects things like tablets, usb modems, etc. The article 2 posts above clarifies and even shows a graph for detail.

Note that the 450 plan will get 300 bonus minutes, so it is essentially 750 minutes, plus unlimited data for your phone.

EDIT: You get 300 bonus minutes if you get a tab, usb modem, etc. and one of the new tiered data plans.

2nd EDIT: It seems it would be cheaper and do it legit and only pay $30/month on Sprint's mobile hotspot for your phone (and get UNLIMITED DATA that way) instead of paying $34.99 for even the 3GB plan, since these new plans for the non-phone devices requires you to sign up for a phone plan anyways.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I wrote the original article on this. It is for real for embedded devices. Look here: http://briefmobile.com/sprint-launching-tiered-embedded-device-data-plans

The article posted in the OP did not site it's source.
[Epic 4G General] southparkeric:
i think i used about 8gb in one month then 4 gb another and then settled around 3 to 4 gb for phone at home i use about 2 or 3 terrabytes each month. I like to reinstall windows on a daily basis drivers and all.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
See above, this doesn't apply to smartphone users. This should be locked.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
+1!!!! Or Mod or OP edit your title!

Maybe change it to "the sky is falling!"

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
This is for laptop modems.

Previously it was 5Gig 3G, unlimited 4G. They're just announcing that it won't be unlimited 4G only for laptop modems.

Phones are still unlimited.
[Epic 4G General] southparkeric:
Well it starts with the data plans for laptops and data cards... Then Sprint says well we got it going great on that, so why not do the same on phones also... even feature phones... and how about we charge extra for text messaging by charging for capitol letters and special characters? How about we also charge extra each month for users with 4" screens and larger and call that the premium viewing charge?
[Epic 4G General] Shoulon:
They still make phone with optional data? lol. last time I checked, You cant get a decent phone without data.
[Epic 4G General] lafronz:
Don't forget extra charge for typing with the hardware keyboard. They could call it premium QWERTY service.
[Epic 4G General] magic2012:
If that happens I am going back to T-mobile
[Epic 4G General] napalm5479:
All other services are doing this. I saw this today.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Budgeting-for-wireless-data-apf-1691527244.html?x=0
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
las tline of that article.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
It would be disappointing in principle, but really not a big deal either, were it even true, which it isn't. My wife is a tax accountant, so for a couple months works 70+ hour weeks. When she wasn't listening to pandora, she was downloading podcasts. She used 3, then 6, gigs a couple months, and those were MASSIVE outliers, and we use our phones a lot.

For the time being, 10 gigs is an essentially untouchable by anyone not trying to make a point out of using data, who has never met a wifi network they like. (Although, with HBOGO, and Netflix......maybe that's no longer the case :))

It would also be a questionable move by Sprint. IMO if they ever do away with unlimited, and lose all that good will, it wont be to put the cap in a position that only saves them from .001% of their users. I'm guessing the first step toward tiers would be to offer a cheaper lesser tier as an option.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
I don't see Sprint getting rid of unlimited anytime soon. That's their main differenciator from Big Blue and Big Red. If they don't remain the "value carrier", most people will dump them in a heartbeat.
[Epic 4G General] RushAOZ:
Cosign. I've been using 20+gb every month. Loving sprint. Will destroy if unlimited plans get stripped away.

sent from the ePc4gee yo
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
Just out of curiosity: how? I can't imagine using that much data, or any hobby that would lead to it, unless you're tethering for all of your internet and do lots of downloading and/or online gaming.

If that's the case, the least you can do is buy a tethering plan. I don't like tiered data, but I firmly believe that anyone stealing tethering that complains about the loss of unlimited data can stfu and gtfo.

/I steal tethering

//I will NOT whine if unlimited goes away
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Agreed. It's the people using 20 gigs a month that are going to ruin it for us all.

Take it easy man.....
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
It people like you who are to blame for the current tiered data plans on all the other carriers. I sincerely wish Sprint (and all the other carriers) would just give people who use extreme amounts of data the boot, they just ruin it for everyone else.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
What?! $30 a month per smartphone and I got the same prices as Verizon/AT&T.
[Epic 4G General] tsperez:
+1

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tsp
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
Most I've ever used was 7 GB and that was from a 4GB torrent. The rest was streaming movies and stuff. LOL
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
20GB of data from your phone is quite a reach lol. I don't think I could do that in two months unless I tried
[Epic 4G General] ghlu:
I hope Sprint simply throttles like T-mobile, and not use a hard limit. This way I can occasionally go over the limit knowing I'll be throttled but not cut off.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
T-mobile throttles once you go over 100mb, so don't hope for that. In fact don't hope for anything because you're already grandfathered into your plan so any changes won't affect you unless you sign a new contract.
[Epic 4G General] Xhyperion:
If we renew with our current unlimited data plan do we still get unlimited data?
[Epic 4G General] c-had2001:
I dunno how they could throttle their data, where I am its running .1-.3 mbs on 3g and if it gets any slower might as well not even have data on a phone because it takes so long for anything to load or download. Don't have 4g in my area either and with clearwire being broke probably never will. I am not sure if sprint's network is as bad everywhere else as it is here but I am looking at other options simply because the 3g speed here is a joke.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
No. When you renew you are subject to whatever new terms and plans they have, anyone who has been on Sprint long enough will remember the SERO debacle.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
only on their cheapest plans or for hspa+ or something.. most people have a 5 gb plan before they will throttle you.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
How did I renew under the Vision plan for so many years after they discontinued it? Unless the phone is no longer compatible with the plan, I thought they have to grandfather you.

Sent from Godot's place.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
I have found it easy to use 5-10 GB in a month

All you need to do is stream HD Youtube videos, and/or watch a bunch of TV shows.

I don't torrent, nor do I tether for the most part, but I have gone over the 10GB several times, while using my phone on road trips
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
the rooot is correct. yes. much disinformation from this one today.
[Epic 4G General] Pete720:
That sucks. I believe even Big Red allowed grandfathering of their $30/mo unlimited data and after enough griping they will also allow you to keep it when you renew. The least Sprint could do (should they add smartphones to it) is allow us who have unlimited to keep it. As for the gentlemen who is using 20gb a month, I don't know if he really is but IMO I don't think he should get chastised for it. I pay for the unlimited AND the tethering and if I needed to use 20+gb a month I or anyone should be able to if it is truly unlimited. The first folks who should look at themselves are those who are tethering without paying for it. I'm not passing judgement or telling you to stop, just keep it in mind when commenting on others :)
[Epic 4G General] Sesquipedalian:
I'd pay an extra $10 a month for a premium QWERTY service, rather than my unlimited dropped keystrokes plan.
[Epic 4G General] MikeyLee:
If Sprint did this to their phone plans they would lose 95% of their customers LOL I'm not sure even Sprint would be that stupid but never say never I guess.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
If you are paying for tethering, then the sky is the limits, IMO. Obviously the potential for high data usage is there, and you're charged as such.

The people that flat out abuse the phone plan only data are the ones I have a problem with. They're the reason data costs so much, and continues to increase in price.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Also, for those who think a couple people can't matter, I worked in IT at my university during the height of the Kazaa era. We spent lots of time (and money) trying to get our traffic under control.

Once we did get expensive trackers/shapers in place we came to the same findings as other universities we researched: There were 4-5 users using as much data as the entire rest of campus, including, dorms, labs, offices, etc COMBINED. The university then tried different things to try and stem the tide, but the only things that worked just made it suck for everyone.

I realize this isn't the same situation, but a few people running hog wild can, and does, effect policy changes.
[Epic 4G General] kwazytazz:
i dont understand why people are against people who use a lot of data, if you paid for unlimited, shouldnt you be able to use unlimited?
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
For the same reason I would be bothered if patrons of my favorite Chinese buffet found loopholes and such to go through 20 times more food than the buffet is banking on.

One of two things is going to happen if too many people do it: 1) Higher prices 2) Buh bye unlimited. We're all paying for their gluttony.

If you go on vacation and on your cross country road trip you rack up 6 gigs of Netflix, then so be it. This is why unlimited is nice, and matters. Those once in a while outlier months with extenuating circumstances where you didn't have to worry about it, get throttled, or pay overages. If you regularly break 15 gigs, and often hit 20, then you're probably grossly misusing something, and you're just going to bone us all.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Irrelevant metaphor, that's "all you can eat" which is similar to tiereddata plans since they have a limit, what you pay for with sprint is "unlimited", get it? No limits, your not abusing it unless you were tethering or something 10 gb a month with no tethering plan.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] kwazytazz:
Yeah but if using your example of the buffet, a buffet is a all you can eat no? if not then thats false advertising.

I don't tether but I download on my phone every now and then because i'm not allowed to at school campus, so i download it on my phone using 4g, i can rack up 20gbs a month or more if i had that much stuff to download, i dont see how thats wrong, i'm paying for unlimited so i should be able to use unlimited without a guilty conscience.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Yes, it's an all you can eat buffet. You're paying for all you can eat. You can eat all you want. That's why no one is suggesting the police show up and arrest you when you go up for your 50th plate. (Or 20th GB)

That doesn't mean that those of us that used to enjoy $8 entry to the all you can eat buffet can't be annoyed with those customers that we're now paying $12, especially if this is the last buffet in town that hasn't set a plate limit, and we want it to stay that way.

No one is saying you CAN'T, we're, at most, just saying you're being irresponsible/selfish, and that you're going to hurt everyone, and yourselves, in the long run.

PS: You get a free thanks thanks to a wayward click. :D
[Epic 4G General] kwazytazz:
but how are people being irresponsible/selfish if what we paid was to get unlimited data? if the terms and conditions state otherwise saying we can only use up to a certain amount then i would understand. but dan hesse even stated that it is "TRUE" unlimited, so unlimited usage means you can use it WITHOUT limits. no?
[Epic 4G General] squshy 7:
I have to vehemently disagree. The number of people who abuse is vastly overshadowed by the number of people who underutilize. If you read the article, you'll see the estimates. Somewhere between 200 and 400mb on average per smartphone per month nationwide? That's damn near pure profit. If abuse was such a problem, those numbers would be much higher. It's the same reason insurance companies make money and why colleges offer meal plans: the profit off of underutilization.

I suspect the real reason we're seeing higher data costs is actually directly correlated to why the epic forum is such an annoying place to puruse these days:

Because EVERYBODY is getting smartphones. Normal joe schmoes. It's not due to individual data consumption rates. It's most likely due to gross data consumption since the total number of smartphones has risen dramatically.

I'm sure you can relate to that 063_xobx.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
This .

The only reason for tiered plans is really to make it cheaper for all those who hardly use any data, and this is the vast majority.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Well first of all, it's not like we're paying any kind of premium for unlimited data, so the "but I'm paying for unlimited!!!" argument only goes so far. We're paying the one and only option we have, and it's cheaper than any alternatives. That, however, is wholly irrelevant, and I don't know how much clearer I can make it than that buffet example.

No one is saying you're violating anything, breaking any rules, or not doing something you're allowed to do. We're just lamenting that a number of people are consuming at an unsustainable rate. 95% of us are going to get jobbed in one way or another, because of the top 5% throwing things too far out of whack.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Actually we are paying ten dollars a month for "Premium Data".

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] kwazytazz:
+1 we already have "unlimited" data and the 10 bucks a month is for premium, look at sprints website, 10 dollar premium data addon.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Everyone new is. The price went up....that's kind of the point. I don't want it to be another $5 or $10 a year from now, or the same price for 2 gigs, because a few crazy downloaders ruined it for everyone.
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Again, everyone is, but my (small semantic side) point (about the irrelevant unlimited point) was that it's not like you went to the Sprint store, 700 megs was $10, 2 gigs was $30, and unlimited was $50. And you opted for unlimited. I said we're not paying "a premium". We're not paying above and beyond some lesser amount that's also an option, for the privilege of unlimited data.

The same worry would still apply then anyway. (That if people go too nuts on it the price will go up, or it will go away.) But at least you would actually be "paying for unlimited" then as opposed to now, where you're paying the one and only option, that happens to be unlimited.

It got brought up too many times, as if they were "paying $400 a month specifically for unlimited data, so I'll be damned if I don't use the hell out of it!" which really isn't the situation.

It is, however, irrelevant. A couple people wondered why a few of us are irked by people downloading so much, and it's because, although you have the right to unlimited data, that doesn't make it some kind of mandate. Nothing will make Sprint drop unlimited as an option, and make us all pay more for less, faster, than a couple thousand people downloading the internet 3 times a month.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Its not for that reason quote from sprint:

" The charge has always been to address the increased costs associated with operating smartphones on the Sprint network."

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
It's not the jacking up the price that concerns me about heavy users, it's the bogging down of the network that is the problem. Going back to the all you can eat buffet metaphor, it's the jackhole that's wiping out the crab ragoons faster than they can put them out so others have to wait or get none at all that's annoying. There are legitimate reasons for requiring a lot of bandwidth at times, but the people using a mobile network to torrent 500gbs of porn and crap 12 hours a day is what kills it.
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
This.

Same here in th end I agree I hate that.

Lol I know really? I mean how patient can you be to download even 2 gigs of data over your cell network.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Yes, there's that too. Good extension of the metaphor. :)
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
You keep posting things you think contradict me that sort of prove my point. I must suck at making it. :p
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Yeah, for reals. I might be making this up, but I think 4g data is significantly cheaper for Sprint, so maybe that will help stabilize prices as they roll it out. (though faster data means more people use it as their data source)
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Well not always though since the trade off is battery life (or so I hear... no 4g in phoenix :( )

But till its not consistant data rates so id die trying to load any data. Oh, and about the wole quote from spint , its because you said. It was from people using to much data ,but you see its just from smartphones being more expensive to handle. Lol

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] vita10gy:
Right, because people use so much data on them.

I've heard 4g is a battery drain if you barely get the signal, but a battery saver if you have a strong signal. Only had it on a couple times myself, nearest 4g is the twin cities a little over an hour away. We go there for Twins games, and the Twins have an open wifi network at Target Field, so even when there I use it sparingly.

I almost never stray to far from power, and my phone always seems to die faster than I think it should when I do, so I'm not the guy to ask on battery life.
[Epic 4G General] cds0699:
So wait, does this mean my mifi card from Sprint is no longer going to be unlimited? If so, time to dump it.
[Epic 4G General] RushAOZ:
Lmao TROLLS!!! Its unlimited! Spare me your morals. I've been packing this much data since I started my contract. The first month I purposely went over 40gb to see what sprint would say... NOTHING. If your curious.. I tether through pdanet to my windows 7 laptop. Then share that connection through connectify. To all my consoles, hd Netflix streaming to my HDTV.. everything. Your stupid if you think these companies don't compensate for high data. Its called unlimited for a reason. When Netflix becomes available your all gonna stream ****loads of data right to your epic. Don't be stupid. Of course I'm gonna take advantage of my connection. Like sprint or any other company wouldn't take advantage of us. Stfu. Hypocrites.

sent from the ePc4gee yo
[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
Well aren't you charming. Just remember, Sprint reserves the right to terminate your contract at will, and you agreed to that when you signed up (unless you're riding mommy and daddy's wireless plan). If anything stinky hits the fan, complain to your diary, because you won't find much pity anywhere.
[Epic 4G General] shakewell:
3G network uses alot of T1 lines to put in place to be used.. 4g has ethernet coming in and can handle it . t
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Let's see, you don't pay for tethering and use more than 99% of users intentionally just because you can and we're the trolls? I'd like to see you try to explain that if Sprint decided to do the right thing and crack down on people like you with a bill to reflect all the months of "stolen" data. By "cheating the system" you are just giving companies yet another excuse to screw the little guy over.

And since apparently you don't know what a hypocrite is, its someone who says one thing and does another, in this case we would have to chastise you for using 20gb of data and then proceed to do it ourselves which nobody here is doing.
[Epic 4G General] RushAOZ:
Once again. Spare me. Ill keep downloading. Cheers fools.

sent from the ePc4gee yo
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Such wit! You really have to hand it to the school systems.
[Epic 4G General] RushAOZ:
Also, when Netflix hd comes out and the average person is now using 10+ gigs come back and blame me :)

sent from the ePc4gee yo