yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Desire HD General] Pruikki:
Fisrt Lets improve Quality,so it wont lag.lets make that 720p

to work Perfectly!

just improve sounf bitrate so it would sound better because ARM is bad and Much AAC is better.
[Desire HD General] gtg465x:
My DHD typically locks in 3 - 30 seconds and keeps me on the road in Google Nav. My GS often took minutes to lock and would show me off the road or on other roads in Goolge Nav a lot.
[Desire HD General] isisky:
can you post a video of the result please?
[Desire HD General] brolee93:
aiaiaai

my dhd on 720 my video lag very much lol

My dream no lag in 720 to be first lol
[Desire HD General] enemia:
added to wish list [although i don't have any lags on my own device]

maybe a memory card speed issue?
[Desire HD General] _david_94:
Lol
[Desire HD General] mrjonnyrock:
LoL - that is what my DHD was/is doing?

CM7, well not just CM7, a few other sense ROMs got this working a lot better. I can get a fix in 5s - 30s now, most time. On the stock software, not a chance it would work this well.

My issue, as i said before, is the inaccuracy. Sometimes i have goggle nav and a few other apps that i use bouncing me around all over the place, and i am in the middle of London. It also happens out and around Cambridge.

My Desire does not do this. It is accurate, very accurate in fact. It just reboots when it gets hot lol. On stock and on CM7.
[Desire HD General] gtg465x:
Sure. Sorry. It took me a long time to upload cause the video is much larger than usual! :eek:

Here ya go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R-7ZO4I1pI&playnext=1&list=PL6FE6DB9045B9EA3B
[Desire HD General] krogoth:
How it's related with camera developement? :P
[Desire HD General] stylus1828:
So funny! NOT!

:mad:
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
Yeah dude wtf was that for?!
[Desire HD General] gtg465x:
What? You guys were expecting 1080p video or something? When I said I got it working I just meant I could watch Rick in HD at about 22 fps using Adobe Flash. :p
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
- Manual control

I think the aperture is fixed, so "manual control" will be possible only to the shutter speed and that is equivalent to the exposure settings we have now. The thing i'd like to have is auto bracketing, so we could make true HDR images, not the HDR-like the various camera apps offer.

- Mp4 extension for video files

It would be good for compatability, but the quality will be the same since the codecs are the same. Better bitrate/sampling will bring more to the sound quality if it's possible (that is if the microphone on the DHD is capable of more than 4kHz sound, which I'm beggining to doubt...)

- Faster depth detection

???

- Better image quality

With the small low quality lenses I doubt that would be possible. Not to any point that can match a real camera though.

- Getting more fps at video capturing [different setting for each mode]

FPS of the video is actually dependant on many factors. Hardware ones (CPU, write speed, etc) and those that are completely out of anyones control. The truth is that you can't have a decent framerate in low-light situations. The sensor just can't gather enough light in 1/24 second to produce 24fps. Anyway, with enough light and class 10 SD card, my videos don't shutter (not that I make that much videos).

- Improve the camera's application with more functions and drivers

Deffinately possible

- Creating a video recording app that can record, zoom and refocus

Could be possible

- Fast video AF, low noise level functions

Same as above

- Continuous mode

Very doubtful. Not to an extend where it could make a difference anyway. Remember that you have to be able to write the picture to the storage card before taking another and refocus. Our DHD is not a DSLR with a dedicated buffer for the camera.

- Night / Low light areas mode

Should be possible. The only question is how will you take a picture. You'll need some kind of "phone tripod" because with the small lenses, the light hitting the sensor is much less compared to a DSLR. So to gather the same ammount of light, the shutter needs to be open for much longer and this means A LOT of handshake.

- Improve framerate in low light conditions

Impossible.

- Improve focusing system / algorithm

Could be possible but I don't think it would be so much that it would make a difference.

- 1080p quality of video capturing [hardware issue, need to test]

CPU is not capable of that. Remember that the original Desire's CPU was capable of 720p recording so it was possible to make the software to utilize this.

- Improve sound bitrate of capture sound

As I said before, if the microphone is capable of recording higher frequencies, this is a must.

- No lags during filming on 720p

Fast card + Lot of light = No lags.

I know my opinion is somehow discouraging, but knowing a bit (a tiny bit) about photography makes me see the camera issue from a realistic point of view. But hey, it's HTC - who ever expected them to make a good camera ;)
[Desire HD General] joshoon:
Another one for the wishlist:

I would like to pause the recording of a video (and put the camera on standby to save battery life) and continue it, so I can make scenes.
[Desire HD General] Eddie1506:
Gingerbread camera has the sound & video improved.

128kbps/44kHz whereas on Froyo it recorded in 32kbps/8kHz. Video bitrate jumped from ~8500kbps to ~9500kbps.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
tkolev, you obviously have a much better understanding about photography than me, so i just wanted to ask your thoughts on the iPhone's low light recording. You say it's impossible for the DHD to have this improved.. then how does the iPhone manage 25 fps in low light?

edit: the Iphone 4 uses the Omnivision ov5653: http://www.ovt.com/download_document.php?type=sensor&sensorid=68

and the DHD uses the Omnivision ov8810: http://www.ovt.com/download_document.php?type=sensor&sensorid=69
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
First of all I doubt that I have "a much better understanding about photography" than you, because as I said I know a

tiny

bit of the scientific art that photography is.

About the iPhone - better lenses, wider aperture, duplicating frames just to pump the final video to 25fps (I really expect it from Apple)... could be many things. And the sensor is just a part of the quality of a camera. Actually I'll take a camera with good lenses over a camera with a good sensor anyday.

Unfortunately my wife's iPhone has run out of juice (I really don't see why people say iPhone's battery is better), so I'll make a low-light video probably tomorrow night and see.
[Desire HD General] mrhahn98:
Hi. I dont know the details of these stuff. But one time i tried to compare low light video recording of my DHD with myfriend's iphone 4. The iphone 4 does get a lot better fps in low light.

However it's due to the fact that the iphone 4 capture the video at a much darker brightness than the DHD. I think the iphone 4 have somekind of fps threshold so it will stop at certain brightness to maintain the fps of the video, basically it favor fps over light level.

While our DHD favor brightness to fps, so in a low light condition, the phone try to normalize the light level as much as it can to get a bright image, at the cost of fps. This is why the trick changing the brightness from 0 to -2 works.

So i think it's just how the software work. If u want better fps in low light condition, u'll get a much darker video. The desire HD camera is as good as it can get right now, maybe some changes in the white balance would be nice coz i think it sucks in that part compare to my girlfriend's Desire Z T___T
[Desire HD General] brolee93:
I have LEXAR 16Go C6 but it is really class4 for me i thinks .

i have very very lag with HD720p .

It is slow when i recording and when i read my video record it is HORRIBLE
[Desire HD General] enemia:
@tkolev

thank you for your very detailed reply!

@joshoon

your wish has been added into wish list
[Desire HD General] kamranh3:
The Samsung Infuse 4G can record at 1080p, and it's only got a single core 1.2Ghz processor, surely it can be made possible for the Desire HD?
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
Read the speciffication on the Samsung's processor and those of the Snapdragon. Snapdragon explicitly states 720p video recording.
[Desire HD General] fortuneman:
blurred pictures

this is a great idea and though I am not a dev I am at least willing to support by donating a few euros if it helps :)

for me far more important than getting the 1080p video recording is improving the quality of the pictures taken by the camera. they are all terribly blurred and compressed as hell. Actually my old 2mpix sony ericsson W800i made a whole lot better pictures.

I tried to follow all the advices in the forum and nothing helped so I basically stopped using my DHD camera. on the other hand I still have to try if the newest update to Gingerbread has brought any difference, but still, I believe you guys can do for one reason or another better than what I expect from the original app.
[Desire HD General] Foladko:
Actually the pictures with enough light are great! 5x better than my old k800i (3mpx). And video recording can't even compare (QCIF vs 720p).

It may not be the best, but it's good enough to be useful and enjoyable for most situations.

Some DHDs have a hardware problem and photos are blurred on some sides.
[Desire HD General] mrjonnyrock:
anyone wana try this on a Desire HD and let me know if it work :p

camera-phone-8x-lens
[Desire HD General] R3XNebular:
It would be awesome if you guys can fix the slow camera shutter that results in blurred pictures, just slightest movement when taking a photo will cause a camera blurr even with an ISO of 800 and manual focus.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
The exposure depends on three factors - shutter speed, aperture and ISO. Faster shutter should be compensated by wider aperture and/or higher ISO to get the same exposure. I bet that aperture is fixed so...

If you are willing to sacrifice some exposure, you can dial it down to get a faster shutter.
[Desire HD General] fortuneman:
and this is exactly what a good camera app should do for us in like 90% of cases. however, I never managed to do more like 1 in 3 good unblurred pictures and you bet my hands are not too shaky :) only situation when the DHD performs well is direct sunlight. unfortunately this is not when most fun happens :p
[Desire HD General] mrjonnyrock:
i think ppl should start saying what ROM they are using when giving advice or ask questions :confused:
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
But it does - you have exposure setting in the "image adjustment" menu. What I'd like is to have a more detailed EXIF data in the photos taken - at least exposure time and aperture (even if it's fixed). Not just the phone model and GPS location :rolleyes:.

And if you want decent photos in low light bring a proper camera "when most fun happens" :p

EDIT: I'm on Gingerbread ARHD 5.1.3
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
I've just done some calculations and assuming the aperture F-number is the same as in the iPhone - 2.8 (at least that's what is says in the EXIF of the iphone's photos) the light hitting the sensor is 8 times less than that on a DSLR with the same conditions. This means that to have the same exposure, you have to have 8 times longer shutter speed add the lack of any vibration reduction system on the lens (this means additional 2 times longer exposure and that's the conservative estimation), so forget about low-light photography with the DHD. If you can have relatively sharp image with 1/15 on a DSLR with VR lens, this means that with the same light you'll have exposure time greater than 2 seconds with the DHD.
[Desire HD General] R3XNebular:
I notice when taking photos really close (attempt at macro) that when focusing there is a stage where if I COULD TAKE THE PHOTO it would be very clear, however when focusing it blurs and clears up and blurs again. This is for really close photos or an attempt to take macro photos. Any takes on how to take more effective macros
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
Yeah i've observed this too. It's a little annoying.
[Desire HD General] chrisund123:
I'd kill to have the video record in something other than 3gp; my media player won't play 3gp and I spend ages messing about converting, Grrrrrr :lol:
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
We should contact snq-... he managed to make the classic Desire record in .mp4.
[Desire HD General] TheBrilliantMistake:
Are you talking a PC media player, or consumer device media player?

Lots of options for PC media player to play 3gp (lousy container format!).

But if a consumer media player, yeah you're kind stuck with having to transcode (but you SHOULD be able to get lossless transcoding with the right software, and simply change to a more common container format).
[Desire HD General] tolis626:
OR try renaming from .3gp to .mp4,works for me! ;) :rolleyes:
[Desire HD General] aidan257:
not really related to the camera app, but when recording video it would be nice to have a audio level which you can increase/decrease as i was recording some live music in an open enviroment recently & it kept distorting (yeah i understand the mic is a bit poor for this kinda thing). Video quality is fine though.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
Not exactly so. Lenses with variable aperture have a so-called "aperture sweet spot" that is usually a couple stops down the widest aperture. At the extermes of the aperture the images are a little blurred.
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
Try Avidemux. You can simply copy both the audio and the video streams and change the container to .mp4. Takes much less time than re-encoding.
[Desire HD General] gaeilgeganeagla:
i dont really notice any lag in the actual recording of the video but when playing the video back i see lags everywhere which is very annoying.
[Desire HD General] govillainrom:
is there any way to make the video recording at 720p and at 30fps.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
It already does..
[Desire HD General] TheBrilliantMistake:
I did state on the object it's focused on!

The wider the aperture, the more shallow the field depth.

All lenses have a sweet spot, but this isn't directly related to aperture... the aperture is distinctly separate from the glass.

I didn't want to get into 'circle of confusion' etc etc, just trying to explain the basics for those that don't know how aperture affects focus etc. A so called 'Fast' lens (F/2 or better) is only ever going to give you a sharp image for a highly specific distance from the sensor, everything else will be blurred (the closer the focus distance, the more blurred everything else will be).

Net result, if you want a serious picture, toss your camera phone. People get too hung up on sensor resolution (which CAN make a picture much worse with higher resolution). A good lens on poor camera will usually trump any camera with a lousy lens.... a bit like buying a Bang and Olufsen hifi to play your cassette tapes on ;-)

Some sweeping generalisations here I know, but... accurate enough for the masses (I hope!)
[Desire HD General] tkolev:
Yes - the "sweet spot" is exactly for the sharpness of the focused object. Anyway the DHD has fixed aperture, so it's irrelevant in that particular discussion. And you are absolutely right about the importance of the quality of the lenses and sensors in different camera - a good lens is more important (and unfortunately MUCH more expensive) than a good (which most people mistake for "high mpx count") sensor.

IMO the only possible field of improvement in our phones is image processing and compression. All the other "features" depend on the hardware and unfortunately it's not the best in the bussiness.
[Desire HD General] chrisund123:
Yeah it's a consumer media player. My old WDTV media player did .3gp, but I've since upgraded to a PCH NMT, which point blank refuses to do .3gp :mad:

Ta, grabbing from the software centre now, will give it a try :D
[Desire HD General] crossrt:
so is it nid to install?

what should i do?
[Desire HD General] ToneyEricsson:
+1 this needs looking into with the Desire HD
[Desire HD General] sergiu_07_07:
So, is there a way to record at 30fps at night?I searched all over the forum and didn't find a way.(besides reducing the exposure which makes videos very dark)

I noticed a thing that when I focus the objects aren't so shadowy because of low fps but only just for a moment like half of second and then it returnes to the normal 10-15 fps.
[Desire HD General] stylus1828:
CyanogenMod 6.1.3 had that option integrated. I've asked several times in the rom thread here on xda about this function to be ported cu cm 7 but no success... I even opened a thread request on cyanogenmod forum... but no success.

Hit and replay in the thread and maybe someone will do something about it.

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/21510-continuous-autofocus-in-video-recording/
[Desire HD General] in trouble:
My desreHD camera improves little bit

MOD EDIT: No WAREZ!!
[Desire HD General] 314:
the lgcamera app on the market seems to sort of be able to record 1080p videos at 30 fps. It works perfectly until the bit rate goes above 4mb.

It doesn't have touch to focus in video recording tho :/
[Desire HD General] sergiu_07_07:
I kind of sorted out the lag/freeze when recording.Try to disable geotag option.After I have done this there is rarely any sign of lag in the video.
[Desire HD General] neutron1985:
My Desire HD gets restarted after using LGcamera free app with 1080p settings. :mad:
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gd6noob:
there are tons of apps on my SD card from installs that still sitting there... dont really want to go through the whole card to find it and delete..

so i used clockwork to format the SD card... i noticed the it doesn replace back the stock files that came shipped with the phone..

was this a bad idea?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neidlinger:
eh. it depends on your way of looking at it. The only thing on their you may need is the driver for the phone. but that can be downloaded via HTC's WebSite.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] akaloith:
Hi Android system info has the following data:

Internal: 590MB

SDCard: 2043MB

RAM: MAX:353MB

Here in Greece they use to lock part of the RAM of some devices

Whats your total RAM?

should i be worried?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] flipmodegr:
Same question here , i hope its normal.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] iamelton:
its normal and i have the same figure in Elixir..

its said that part of the 512M RAM has been reserved for the GPU unit as our CPU MSM7230 is integrated with display unit (Adreno 205)..

from a chinese forum someone claimed this reserved part as 128M, though i had no proof of this claim from any other source..

and theres also a small portion of RAM (remaining 32M) used for internal system (also quoted from the same guy mentioned above)
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] akaloith:
can you tell me of a nice startup manager so that i can prevent applications from starting as my mobile restarts?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] magictwins:
Android Assistant
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] after1988:
you have mentioned an Chinese forum,Could you tell me that one:) thanks
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] iamelton:
http://bbs.hiapk.com/forum-371-1.html
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] magictwins:
I think he means the link to that claiming post. o;)
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] iamelton:
im afraid i have not bookmarked that particular post, if thats what after1988 meant..
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] BiZARRe_T:
In your packet do you had 2gb SDcard?? I'm from greece too and i didn't had!

Yes the amount of ram i think it's a little bit small, i though it was 512 clearly for user!
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] flipmodegr:
My packet didnt have 2gb micro sd and im from greece too.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] iamelton:
the 2G internal storage is visible only when there is no external SD card inserted..

dont ask me why.. its how huawei decided things should work.. :mad:
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] simplistian:
It is mounted as /HWUserData if an external SD is mounted.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] jukkus:
Yes, but what can you use it for?

Camera stores pictures to sd and you can't change it. Most of programs use only sd or internal. What about music, is stock player able to find files from hwuserdata?

And of course we can't install apps to there either.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] iamelton:
apart from acting as file storage, i cant think of any other use..
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] simplistian:
Yes. I put my rmaps map data there :)
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] Xybirium:
Link2sd?
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Dirky:
Does anybody know of a good quality horizontal belt case? I saw one branded with Samsung but it was in red by the looks of it!

I would prefer black or dark brown. Leather with full loops to the rear for passing belt through.

Thanks

D

UK too if poss.
[Galaxy S II Accessories] acb77:
http://www.zenuscase.net/product-29861.html ?
[Galaxy S II Accessories] lgkahn:
try these. i have used these cases from my phones now

since 5800, n97, i8910, nexus 1,sgs, and now sgs ii

i get the belt loop 01 on the back and the inserted closure (as i dont like magnets near my phone).. they are very durable and have never torn or let me down even under heavy use..

http://cgi.ebay.com/D2-Custom-Made-...857102?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5ae0664bce

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/D2-Custom-Mad..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item5ae0665709
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Ethania:
Dont look too much at belt cases. They all look geeky. Im shure you dont want that.

Have a look at this:

I bet he has a phone in his bag.
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Dirky:
They look great. One thing I noticed is the case shown at the top, it does not seem to have a cut out on the underside which is needed to push the phone out from the belt case?

How do you make sure it comes with this slot?

Thanks

D
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Dirky:
Lol, he has style man :)
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Dirky:
Now if only I could get my hands on the freakin phone! :)
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Tough.Enough:
They don't have holsters in Zenus !!!
[Galaxy S II Accessories] acb77:
Sigh.

L2lookharder.jpg
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Dirky:
Cant see anything specific that says it is for the SGS2?

They do a large pouch which probably will fit 3 of them side by side?

http://www.zenuscase.net/product-29866.html This on the other hand is designed specifically for the SGS2 but shame it has no belt loop!
[Galaxy S II Accessories] lgkahn:
When you order it you specify what features you want. Ie which belt loop, which closure, which colors, engraving etc. That is why I said order with belt loop 1...
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Dirky:
And when you specify with belt loop it comes with the hole in the bottom to push the phone out of?
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Banner:
Thanks for the link; they look amazing, and I love the part where I can customize to fit my taste. I just ordered one like 2 minutes ago!

I don't mind the wait, it will be worth it.
[Galaxy S II Accessories] nikzDHD:
Sure do look amazing! I miss the BB pouch cases after coming from a BB and these variations look awesome!
[Galaxy S II Accessories] lgkahn:
No misunderstood what you were asking for... I don't like the whole in the bottom.
[Galaxy S II Accessories] αкαѕнα:
OMG.. those looks awesome...

I love the idea of 100% personalize it according to my own taste .. :)

Btw: why is magnets and phone bad?
[Galaxy S II Accessories] Fall Guy:
Don`t know if it`s the same with GS2 but when I had a Viewty the battery life was three days but went down to less than one day after I got a belt pouch for it with a mag closure. I didn`t twig as to why for ages, but as soon as I stoppped using it back to three days again.
[Galaxy S II Accessories] madpavel:
warning is also in the manual:

Do not store your device near magnetic fields

●● Your device may malfunction or the battery may discharge from

exposure to magnetic fields.

●● Magnetic stripe cards, including credit cards, phone cards, passbooks,

and boarding passes, may be damaged by magnetic fields.

●● Do not use carrying cases or accessories with magnetic closures

or allow your device to come in contact with magnetic fields for

extended periods of time.