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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dirtburgler:
Im not sure If anyone has had any issues, but i scour this forum daily while at work lol, and im pretty sure if it was an issue it would be on the top of every Atrix thread. I have flashed back to 1.26 from 1.83 3 times. I wanted to see if the official OTA ran any different from the SBF that went live on the 29th because i couldn't find an answer so i took the risk and tried it. First try worked perfectly. I then went back to SBF 1.83 to test again to see if anything was different. Far as i could tell the OTA official release seems to scroll menus better and just seems to be a little more fluid. I STRESS!!! I DO NOT have technical data to back this up, Just my opinion. I dont want start a snowball effect of people flashing there device back to stock thinking OTA 1.83 is better lol.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] co.ag.2005:
I flashed back to 1.26 from 1.83 successfully last night. I then OTA'd my way back to 1.83. (One thing, however, after my phone installed the 1.57 OTA, it wouldn't boot back up. It just said failed to boot and went to RSD mode. I then flashed the 1.57 sbf and that went well. I then OTA'd to 1.83 and all is well)

sent from my Atrix
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Many people have had this issue and i am going to put down the facts here.

The GMS radio in the x10 is not.. great.

It suffers in low signal area's lets say 1 to 2 bars of signal or lets say about -80 to -108dB and lower.

It requires alot more juice from the battery and that causes overheating then after a time chipset death.

This is all based on tests done at home.. i contacted my provider and had a petition signed, they fixed the tower and the issue's with my phone's heat are gone!

:eek:

Now that i have full signal strength the device has no heat or battery issue's at home.

The other problem you can face is only if you flash firmware with a baseband or a separate baseband.

Many times the baseband may not settle correctly.. this will lead to severe heat, restarts, laggs or even chipset death.

:eek:

Sometimes the baseband will not even be compatible.

#edit

the third problem that i am adding here and almost forgot about...

Charging while under any or even both of these conditions... can be catastrophic.

As sometimes the modem uses so much energy while the INTERNET is in usage that it cannot hold the charge.

There by cuasing major heat.. and you can guess where that will end up.

Switching to 2G instead of 3G can help ALOT, but in some cases this will end badly

As you will get very slow speeds and that causes downloads to be pathetic slow

and even more prone to bad downloads due to the bad signal quality.

The other case may be that you have the dreaded chipset of DEATH if you get above 45*C it's a good chance you have this horrid chipset.

Have it replaced by SE.

#edit END

All of my theories have been properly tested and recreated and fixed to ensure that this info is correct.

Before you call me insane or retarded... test it first!!!

:)

http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/130419#130419 < my theory proven.
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Nice find there! :p
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I spent alot of time on this.. one motherboard and a battery later i found the culprits. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] GreatBigDog:
You may very well be right on the issue of the GSM radio but..... Some earlier X10's were a lot more susceptible to this issue. My first X10 burned out in about 3 months and ran warm all the time, but in standby the replacement rarely gets warm unless I'm in a fringe area that only has edge coverage.

Anyway you don't know what a hot phone is until you've used the HTC Dream. At times you can almost cook eggs on it ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
So true, but i have been seeing more and more reports of this issue.

And would like to simply give a solid answer to this.

This was not meant as a complaint, but more as a answer so as to end the scourge of that question once and for all.

A overheat that ends in a damaged device = a serious issue.
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
No worries here

I bought my x10 in march 2010, about a week or 2 after it become available in my country. And I must say that I never had any problems with it, except what all experienced with 1.6 version (slow, laggy, few small bugs).

Overheating was not an issue, even when I upgraded to 2.1 and recently to TripNMiUI (awesome rom btw). Only time I had problems was when I searched for the right rom flashed the wrong file and almost messed up my device.

The battery was above 40°C and went to 10% in like 3 hours :eek: Now about that GMS thing... at work I have almost all the time 2 bars of signal (see attachment, was at work from 5am to 2pm) the red bar is 1, orange 2, yellow 3....

and blue lines you see is when its scanning. Sometimes I lose signal for maybe 1 or 2 hours (and that sux:mad:) But I cant show you phone temp (dont know how), but it is almost never above 30°C , except when I play games and I do quite a lot :D

So after more than a year I still have original battery and lasts for 3 days tops, but usually its around day and a half. And I love my X10 :D
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
It depends.. the heat is mostly created from using the GSM radio in these conditions. such as online usage.

Games are not the problem unless they make constant heavy use of the internet. ;)

Also what was the ambient temperature when you are testing?
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
Well I do play cestos, and was playing pocket legends, both require constant internet connection. But the temperature still didn't go above 35 (was quite warm). You mean rom testing? I mostly try out the nearly finished roms, so never had any issues with rom functionality or temperature. Except when I tried z's alpha kernel. Then it was around 33-38°C. Now that I think about it when I'm flashing new rom it always goes above 30, but after some time drops down.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Dude.. i'm taking about the stock 2.1 rom.

WB CM 3.16 v6 did me help alot.

Yeah thats the BB settling in nicely.. sometimes a few restarts or even the "white led of WTF crash" seems to sort it out.

:)

averagely my phone will idle at 30 to 35*C but in usage it can climb above 40*c often.

My old motherboard reached a record High of 57*C just playing "robo defence" or even Hawx...

But here's one more test for you.

Once you need to charge plug it in and start using the internet for about 20 mins in a low signal area and watch that battery drain and the heat go thru the roof. :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] viper619:
I never had this issue and i only get 1 to 2 bars only and it never went above 34 which is cool. Dunno about u guys but the only way i can overheat the phone is when playing heavy gunner and listening to music at the same time and the battery heat reaches 38 and it still works 100% with no trouble.

VIPER
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Read it properly... i made a few edits just now to the first post. ;)

These days on WB's rom.. i can play quake 2 death match online "with stencil shadows enabled" while listening to dimmu borgir" with no issue's..

but if i was on stock 2.1 or even the old motherboard.. forget about it. :(

And trust me many do have this issue.
[XPERIA X10 General] viper619:
Lol u just reminded me of the good old days when our old physics teacher used to call us " u buys are mentaly retarded, u think urself superman to get electrified, albert eineshtein was an idiot, i'm better than him, u listen to me not to his equations, if not u fail, i know dark matter very well better than nasa, u mentaly retarded creatures, u fools, IDIOTS."

And about the dark matter thingy, he has a very dark black skin so i guess he knows dark matter better.

Am not a discriminant, i'm too slightly black :p

VIPER
[XPERIA X10 General] viper619:
My phone overheated only once when i baught it and the temp reached 47. But i had to send it to repairs for the broken usb connecter, maybe they fixed that issue.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
LMAO.. truly a wise and insane man.. ^_^
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
and how many ppl are still running stock 2.1? Everyone who is smart enough will go for custom roms/mods. they are all much better than stock :) no disrespect, just sayin
[XPERIA X10 General] FreAkiBio:
That's the same conclusion I came to.

When I was using the internet, my battery temp shot up and the phone would restart at 41-42 degrees (stock 1.6)

I got the motherboard replaced under warranty and I've never had a problem with it since :D
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
But it still has a effect on the phone.

But how many of us still flash roms or basebands?

Some versions of the board are way more unstable.. to be honest you have the most stable x10 i have seen out of the 13 i have seen here around me.

Also.. did you do the charging stress test?

It's more than just a single simple issue such as heat, it effects the battery life. "when the radio has to boost the signal"

And to be honest out of all of my phone this is the only one that loves to often drop my calls in bad conditions.

:)
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
noob question coming: how do u do charging stress test? is this something like you test how long the battery lasts?
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I posted it earlier.. lol. no problem.

Just go to a area with bad signal "low as in 1 to 2 bars", wait till the battery is getting low.

Start charging it and then use the "market or anything that constantly uses the radio and cpu" constantly for about 20mins while charging. :(

Watch the heat go up and the battery go down.

Also please note that if the ambient heat is very low then your phone should be reading much lower..

Not all of us get snow on this planet, some of us get heat stroke in the winter.

:)
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
will try at work tomorrow, since i always get bad signal there.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Try it with barnacle tether.. that should make it feel crispy.
[XPERIA X10 General] hibiskus:
so far my x10 heated in these occasions:

1. heavy usage of wireless while charging phone

2. some applications (Opera mobile for instance)

In case number 2, and I think this is most common problem with battery drain and overheating, sometimes when you install something from market, app does not install right or something so it always stays running in background and burns full battery within hours. With Opera I even couldnt charge battery over 51%, if Opera was on for 1 minute that day.

So if you experience sudden battery drains and overheatings remember what apps you installed that day and uninstall them one by one untill you find intruder.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
True alot of apps can have a bad effect on the phone.

But most of these apps use the RADIO.. ;)

Switch to airplane mode and open opera... and then note how no heat build up occurs.

I use dolphin "paid"
[XPERIA X10 General] eMrot:
I've noticed one thing, when I'm charging my phone with a wall charger the green light comes up when it's normaly charged and after some time the ligth goes off (phone is still conected to the charger). The thing is, if I disconect the phone from the charger while the green ligth is on, everything is fine - battery lasts few days, and if I disconect the phone after the green light dissapeared - the battery dosent even make it through the day. Dont know if its temperature related (I'll try to check the teperatures) or is it my phone/charger fault, but its very anoying because I need to keep an eye on the phone while its chaging
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Thats not normal..

Are you using any roms or hacks?

Unless you have some severe background activity..

When you say it goes off like the green led goes away and it begins charging again?
[XPERIA X10 General] volpad:
Guys is it normal for a x10 to burn the battery in 19-20 hours?? i saw a few ppl telling that the battery lasts for a few days on theyr device.. an i doing anything wrong or thats just it??
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
19 to 20 hours is very good.

Depends on your usage.

I play games and browse online continuously and that gets me 8 to 12 hours.
[XPERIA X10 General] eMrot:
I'm using stock newest rom, with no hacks/mods and when the green led goes off the phone stops charging and wont charge again unless I replug the wall charger. I suspect the wall charger I'll try to use diferent one and see if it helps
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Try on your pc.. i charge mine thru the pc often.
[XPERIA X10 General] svtfmook:
when it hits 100%, chragemon shuts off charging until the battery level falls below 88% or 90% or whatever it is (on stock roms)
[XPERIA X10 General] svtfmook:
i have no signal at work (work inside of tin can inside of bigger tin can). i have huge battery drain during the day, but i don't experience any overheating. i normally just put the phone in airplane mode while at work to save battery.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Lucky bugger.. good chipset.

Yeah the heat is mostly only if there is a little bit of signal and your using the internet for long periods.

The drain is the radio constantly searching for signal in that case.
[XPERIA X10 General] FabricioGS:
My phone is on the assistance because of this :/

Will have to wait until the end of the month to see if they'll give me a new one or not :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] Rotweiler:
Mine is not everheating but batterydraining :S
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Apps... or badly calibrated.

Or the crap chipset.
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
about 2 hours ago i tried the battery charging stress test. what i noticed was that temperature went up from 28 to 36 in just 5min. i had 2 bars of signal and was on internet for about 15 min. but the battery didnt go down as you (OmegaRED^) said it would... but what is the point of this test anyway? :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
It's amazing how stable your chipset is... what was your ambient temperature "not your phone temperature"

Do you run many apps? or just a few at a time.

"so i guess you are the odd one out."

In the wrong weather.. lets say 35*C.. with that extra heat from charging on top of the ambient heat may damage it.
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
Ambient temperature was around 22. And no, I don't run many apps at the same time. I always look at ram usage and is almost never below 100mb, especially now that I'm using Trips rom. So I guess I really am lucky :D
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
So i guess we can sum this up as fact? :)
[XPERIA X10 General] dragoonxy:
Yup, I am a lucky bastard!! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Due to the amount of apps you run. :)

I have 7 screens i launcher pro plus filled with widgets and i run alot of IM apps at the same time while listening to music and having a game or 2 open in the background. and that leaves me with 120 to 80 MB free ram.

So far it only has the issue under bad signal area's.. i switch to Wi-Fi "if i can" in these area's.

But it would severely effect me if i did not.

The key is to try automate the switching off and on of these radio's in the correct conditions.
[XPERIA X10 General] Luis Nickel:
I'm having an issue about it too. It wasn't after change the BB or the ROM. I'm using the XAT ROM for a long time and a week ago my X10 started with a strange behavier.

- The Battery is draining in ~12 hours "in stand by".

- When it reaches 20%, the phone vibrate and shutdown.

- After shutdown, I can power on and use it until it really finish the battery.

Yesterday, I made a test, so I recharged the X10 until 100%, then I disconnected from the charger and started to watch movies from Youtube. After 1 hour, my phone was about 39% of baterry remaining.

I remember when I took this phone, I could play games, watch movies, do a lot things and the battery didn't drain like today.

I remember that I saw in some place of this how to recalibrate the battery, but O couldn't find it again. The post was teaching about use the xRecovery with the option "Clean Battery Stats"... I really don't know if that procedure will help me, but I need to try something... If anyone here know where that procedure is located, please reply to me.

Tks in advance.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bugly Astard:
When you say "dreaded" chipset what do you mean? Ive been using some different roms, all working as described but running pretty warm most times, 42c not uncommon and 47 a few times, are you saying I have this "dreaded" chipset? I have a spare phone with a broken screen I may use for parts, or a brand new x10 in box I may switch too if this ones bad. Note that I have the otter box case, which adds some heat for sure. Im currently using a 2.2 rom with the new 351 kernel, runs fast and smooth but seems a bit warm, when is damage accuring? 50c+? Ive had some rc cars run real hot and never damaged them. You have some great info btw, your battery calibration tutorial works great.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Some earlier versions of the board may have had a flaw. "i'm not sure"

Above 45*C is bad.

RC cars are complete different unfortunately.

I had a Large RC with a purple bull motor it got up to 180*C and that was perfectly normal for it. but hell it was fast.

But the ECS that drove the motor had large mosfet transistors that could handle the heat and current flow.

Even the x10's manual states above 45*C is not good..

When charging and radio is on it uses a horrid amount of juice this puts a lot of stress on the power distribution circuits..

this wares the components severely causing reboots or chip-set death.

My first x10 board failed horridly at 56*C

I wasn't even aware that it was getting that hot.

Sad for such a nice device.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bugly Astard:
Im thinking i may go back to generic firmware and ditch the hard case, all of the 2.2 roms seem to get too warm easily.

When i asked if 50c+ was too hot, its because the default profile in setcpu for underclocking at high temp is 50c. I just assumed it too be a baseline, mine reached 47 one time and I shut it down, hope no damage was done.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I actually have worse heat on the 2.1stock rom.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
So do you put the phone into airplane mode when charging? Turn off the data? Wifi?

Do you have any idea what serial numbers are newer boards?
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Turn off data.
[XPERIA X10 General] om23:
so if i'm having these problems, should I just go to the AT&T store and tell them to fix it? b/c i heard they take the phone and give you a phone that isnt as great and it takes forever for the x10 to come back, if it ever does.
[XPERIA X10 General] stan.s:
Fwiw. I have exchanged my phone twice and my daughters once. Just last month I had them send her a replacement phone for the usb port being loose (warranty) and a chipped screen (ins). She got it at college the next day by Fedex.. that's just who att uses. You have a week to return the old phone. They waived the $50 fee after a bit of discussion.

I live 10 miles from an authorized service ctr. I have walked in twice to have the phone replaced and walked out within a hour with a refurbished unit of my choice.

You have a one year warranty from when you got the phone, particularly if you got it from att.
[XPERIA X10 General] Electron2k:
Why phone was suffering over heat problems mainly on 2.2 roms until recently when it started random resets on stock rom too when playing games/watching vids etc.

Could smell burning silicon etc.. posted it to Sony on Monday just waiting for it back now.. will see if they manage to fix the problem will report back when it comes in the post! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] souperman7340:
Using the Atrix now but still carry the x10 as well and I notice that even with good signal strenth my x10 will get pretty warm to the touch, when multitasking, streaming radio over bluetooth while charging, that will heat that sucker up quick, but so will browsing while streaming over bluetooth! I tend to notice the issue more often when multiple operations are occurring, can even seem to happen when on wifi, haven't ever recorded the temp just know it's not good when I can feel the case on the phone feel hot to the touch!
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
That's is true the x10 overheats like a Mexican donkey in the hot sun. The Bluetooth uses more energy than the wifi the radio Burns thru juice. I'm thinking SE has done this on purposely to force us to buy new phones. Considering how the kernel and basebands clearly have a effect on the hardware and its stability.

There are no fixes and I hope that the gb release will fix this.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Agreed.

It gets too hot sometimes, but thankfully so far I haven't had hardware problems related to that. But the radio needs improvement ASAP.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I made a post on SE TALK lets see what they say.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
And these are the results.

A few people telling me that they even run barnacle tether without any issue's while charging.

With heat figures that can only be gotten from inserting the phone in liquid nitrogen.

http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/81268#81268

:(

0 replies from any admins or SE staff.
[XPERIA X10 General] FormBee:
You have got to be omegaDEATH off of SE support?

X10 2.3.3 CM7.0.3
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Why does it matter?
[XPERIA X10 General] FormBee:
Of course it dosent matter, just made me smile that's all.

Glad to see you finally got your overheating issues resolved(ish).

X10 2.3.3 CM7.0.3
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Actually.

Since i have been using BB.67 with the custom kernel i have been seeing the phone run much smoother with a lot less heat issue's.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Running on bb .76 with Z's newer kernel, on MIUI, the phone seems to be very very stable! But it gets as hot as it did before, if not a little more, probably due to the overclock. I really don't care though, this kernel ROCKS!!! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Mine is a bit cooler.

But not as much i would like it to be.

But i find this other dude's comment on SE talk amazing.

35*C with almost everything on.

I think he's lying or just not testing it right.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
..wow.

Firstly, the x10 does get hot, yes, but it's nowhere near as hot as some phones get. The Desire HD BURNS, as does the Galaxy S, much worse than the X10. The iPhone 4 gets warm as well. The X10 is not as bad as people are making it out to be, some phones are much worse than this.

And wow..you really think SE did this purposely? I have nothing to say to you then, you can live as a conspiracy theorist if you want, but it annoys me no end how poor and how low people think SE can go....
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
It does cause bootloops and chipset death.

It is possible that we got a board from a bad batch.

But how many bad batches were there really?

Considering i'm on my second mobo.

So if the heat is causing the device to die then it's a problem.

Cuz if SE does not fix your device then you get stuck with a device that is dead due to their design flaw.

It does not matter if other devices overheat, those people should take up that issue with the companies responsible for those devices.

for example.

I sell a PC

I say it's perfectly stable.

It overheats and the cpu dies.

He returns it.

I fob him off.

He gets angry.

He tells everyone else "i sell bad hardware."

My store suffers.

SE has only them self to blame.
[XPERIA X10 General] cdlamph:
I sent my phone out for repair to a Sony center last week because of the rebooting thing, only had the phone about 7 months. No matter what I did it kept rebooting. I got it back a couple days ago and on the letter they said they couldn't duplicate the problem so all they did was upgrade the software. Well I already did that before I sent it to them. As soon as I opened the package, put the sim and memory cards in, booted it up, went to set up my email over my wifi and started all over again, kept rebooting. Took my stuff out and called up Sony, I wasn't rude but You could tell I was upset, so in short, had to send it back to them the yesterday.

The battery does get hot, no denying that. Just hope Sony fixes the problem this time, guess I'll wait and see. I bypassed AT&T and went straight to Sony, no use in dealing with the middle man.