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[Thunderbolt General] ece4free:
I would like to contribute by saying that I am stock and unrooted, and did not have a single reboot before the update, and have had one every 5 or 6 hours since the update. This will be a long post, so I apologize in advance. I am in a 3G only area.

In addition, before the 4G/eHRPD outage, I was also able to reliably stream Xfinity/Amazon/Netflix via the WiFi tether without so much as a hiccup. Since they turned eHRPD back on, the streaming will only last for about 5-8 minutes before the TCP connection times out and has to be reset by reloading the page.

However, my girlfriend had switched her phone over to "Rev. A enabled" a while back (she got one of the early "not even 1X" connection problems) and has not experienced any of the problems I have. Last night, after trying to watch "Game of Thrones" for 20 minutes on my phone, we switched over to hers and it worked flawlessly. Even more interesting is that our phones will connect to a different tower ID, even when sitting right next to eachother.

In my expert opinion (I joke, but I actually am working on a PhD in wireless communications) the eHRPD network overlay/upgrade is causing conflicts in the core network.

Specifically, I suspect that the eHRPD network entity responsible for maintaining the list of persistent IP addresses is not working correctly between hand-overs. This results in the device getting registered at two places in the network, and the connectivity issues one would expect as a result. I think the reboots are caused simply by the phone taking a crap all over itself trying to figure out WTF is going on. I have a strong suspicion that turning off "always on network data" will reduce or eliminate these conflicts.

I plan on doing some bench work in the lab today to see if I can confirm some of my suspicions about this stuff, and I'll report back later with what I find.
[Thunderbolt General] MisterDonut:
how did you stream netflix?
[Thunderbolt General] ece4free:
Using either mobile hotspot or Easy Tether to connect to my laptop. I don't actually have a netflix account, so I only tested it briefly using a friend's account.

Amazon VOD and Xfinity both work perfectly (ie, very little to no buffering and it uses the "high quality" connection.) Netflix had to buffer occasionally, but worked pretty well. Hulu is good depending on the video source.

I probably stream a good 10-20 hours of video a week using 3G.
[Thunderbolt General] phatal:
I can attest to the fact that turning off "always on network data" has not effect, at least not on my TB. Mine has always been set to off, yet I experience lock-ups, loss of data and voice capabilities and reboots - all after receiving the OTA update.
[Thunderbolt General] thegeebo:
I bought the Thunderbolt in April, rooted it and installed Das Bamf ROM with Arynalyne kernel. Everything was fine and dandy. Then the new RUU leaked, and the new verson of BAMF required it. So I upgraded. Next thing I know, I'm getting random reboots. I tried different kernels and different ROMs, and still suffered reboots.

I decided that I would trade the Thunderbolt in for a new one. I rooted it, installed the newest RUU with BAMF, and haven't had one reboot.

What I have learned:

1) The leaked RUU has been causing reboots for people, most likely the new LTE radio.

2) Only some Thunderbolts react this way with the new radio. Others will not find any problems.

3) Not all Thunderbolts are the same. Some respond well with certain kernels, others do not. Some can be drastically undervolted, some cannot. I am not quite sure why this hardware is so inconsistent.

If you find yourself randomly rebooting after installing the new RUU, there is your problem. Either stay stock, or trade in your Thunderbolt.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
Good information and ideas. I'll try the latest RUU (froyo) and see if that fixes the reboots
[Thunderbolt General] animez:
After switching my phone back to Rev A yesterday I had one reboot around 1:00AM this morning and none since. In my case at least, I think eHRPD is the issue or at least a very big piece of the puzzle.

Edit - Spoke too earlier, after almost 20 hours without a reboot it just restarted twice back to back. This sucks.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] shovelheadhd:
I switched my radio to CDMA auto this last sat 5/14 and so far I am at 60 hrs of up time on my phone. It seems to be doing much better but only time will tell. Since we don't have LTE here yet with this setting I feel like I'm not missing out on anything so it's all good so far.
[Thunderbolt General] Quize:
Stock rom set to CDMA auto and have had eHRPD off since the outage. Never had a random reboot before the update, now I get one every 2 - 3 hours. One thing I have noticed is that when I have the phone connected to the computer via USB it will never randomly reboot. I have USB debugging turned on and have the phone connected as charge only for using lazydroid, but even when the server is not turned on and I'm just connected to charge the phone will never reboot randomly.

I always keep my phone in the same spot on my desk so I doubt it's constantly switching towers, but without the USB cable plugged in the phone will reboot constantly. As soon as plug in the USB cable the reboots go away. Hope the info helps.
[Thunderbolt General] somnambulator:
ive had 1 or 2 reboots since launch, both before the OTA on friday.

not-rooted

not normally in 4G area

almost always on WiFi with 3G off. at least 23+ hrs/day on weekdays and when i travel or go out my data stays off until i need it

GPS is off almost all the time, but it really started sucking after the OTA. spent 5 minutes searching for a satellite this past weekend while my friend's G2 connected within 10 seconds. it's never done this before the OTA
[Thunderbolt General] ece4free:
You are correct. I turned off "always on" data and still got reboots yesterday and this morning/over night (I set my sim card lock so I will always know when it happens). Interestingly, I got 3 reboots this morning between about 6am and 9am, and my GF (whose phone is set to Rev. A) had no 3G at all during that time.

Now I am somewhat convinced that it is VZW messing with things on their end. They don't acknowledge the reboots as an official problem yet, so I am almost thinking that it could be due to technicians doing routine network maintenance upstream, that causes an eHRPD glitch to propagate backwards and reboot some phones. But then why are some OTA users unaffected? Could it be the SIM card? - I know VZW had issues activating new TB's the first couple of weeks, so maybe the problem impacts "early adopters" more than people who got their phone recently? I really don't think it is a client side issue at all though, or at least not primarily.

I have only seen reboots during "working hours" so far - nothing after about 8pm or so. To me this supports the above theory. Can anyone else chime in with a confirmation or rebuttal that they mostly see the reboots during the day, and not during the evening?
[Thunderbolt General] animez:
Someone in the HTC Thunderbolt forum suggested that the updated My Verizon app is part of the problem. I uninstalled the app last night and turned my phone off overnight. So far no reboot today.

Edit - Arrgh, just checked and it rebooted shortly after I got home from work. Nice 3G improvements Verizon. Idiots.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] iOSh8er:
I was thinking the same thing!
[Thunderbolt General] astang99:
I've gotten several reboots, rooted running new radio, perfect storm 1.4, I've noticed today I couldn't even keep a 3g signal for over 10 minutes. I know because I stream Pandora and know when the music stops...I think mines defective but due to the awesome glass I have a nice crack making it unreturnable...
[Thunderbolt General] phatal:
I posted this in another thread but I thought it was worth repeating it here...

I received a replacement phone today and I'm back in business. I even allowed the OTA update to install. I have not encountered one reboot or lock-up. Phone is actually working better than the other one ever did (or so it seems).

I'll give it a few more days to be absolutely certain, but it seems that the OTA update may be corrupting some phones to the point of rendering them useless.
[Thunderbolt General] astang99:
And it happened again, just browsing android forums and bam! White HTC screen of death...
[Thunderbolt General] marvinmadman:
rebooted while charging around 12 this morning. Earlier last night rebooted twice, 9 and 11.
[Thunderbolt General] sprodigy:
I just wanted to report that after a couple days running the second radio combination, I haven't had a single reboot. Seems like it's good to me.
[Thunderbolt General] bunklung:
Sorry for the cross posts :(

Verizon has acknowledged the rebooting problem and is working with HTC:

http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-verizon-working-thunderbolt-reboots

Who knows what will become of it.
[Thunderbolt General] whipstitch:
This solved my reboots problem - thanks! :)

Installed the second variation in this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1045081
[Thunderbolt General] twistdhood:
To ece4free

To your theory: post 8pm eastern and my wife's just rebooted. Mine was unaffected. Bought same day, first day available.

I am running dasbamf. I have had a few random reboots, maybe two but definitely once. I woke up one morning and my bolt was turned off, I never turned it off and it wasn't dead, so something odd happened there. Wife is running stock, non-rooted and she's having them frequently, roughly 3 times a day.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] sparta31:
I dont have the best of signals but I have barely gotten any reboots maybe one or two every week id say
[Thunderbolt General] skippythegoat:
I don't remember my phone rebooting once so far. I guess i'm one of the lucky ones.
[Thunderbolt General] sparta31:
Amen to that man I thought I would take mine in for my power button sinking in a little but forget about it I think i have one of the lucky ones ill keep this haha
[Thunderbolt General] Kodiax:
Success!

Same here! I went at least 4 days with no reboots.

That is the way to go as of right now for those experiencing the issue with reboots. New CDMA and old LTE.
[Thunderbolt General] DeathCry:
I was saying this same thing yesterday while reading this thread.

On my home last night I was using Navigation to find this store, and the phone re-booted. :(

Only time so far...that I know of.

[Stock with OTA update]
[Thunderbolt General] HarlyFan:
Just downloaded and going to give it a try! Thanks
[Thunderbolt General] thejondude:
please check out my post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1094355
[Thunderbolt General] RashAPu:
My random reboots were attributed to the volume keys waking the screen.... flashed the patch and reboots went away. 48 hours straight.
[Thunderbolt General] pennie57:
Reboots

Hardly had any reboots at first, now2-3 day. I am rooted hope update comes soon
[Thunderbolt General] bill3508:
Mine are far fewer rooted than they were stock. I had one yesterday when I got into a 4G area and it basically locked up my phone.

Sent from rooted Thunderbolt, Liquid Thundersense 1.5
[Thunderbolt General] TheStick13:
Have you tried any other radio combinations? It's worth looking into.

Radio thread.
[Thunderbolt General] M@|ice:
i havent had even one random reboot...not for over a week now. :)
[Thunderbolt General] animez:
I'm still totally stock. I had a lot of reboots the first few days after the OTA. I ended up setting the modem to EVDO Rev A and the radio to CDMA PRL (auto) and that seemed to help but I was still getting 1-3 reboots a day. I recently set the modem and radio to the default settings and I have not had a reboot in 64hr and counting.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] vargo911:
I re-Rooted for the OTA update.. since that day I averaged 1 or 2 reboots a day. I did a factory reset per requested by VZW Tech. So far I had my TB randomly shut off completely. I had to manually turn it back on. After that, two weeks not one single reboot or shut down. *Fingers Cross*:confused:
[Thunderbolt General] bucklyv:
Mostly happens when connected to power for some reason... I am now on a CM7 GB ROM... no reboots!
[Thunderbolt General] sml7285:
Change your radio combinations
[Thunderbolt General] pennie57:
OK trying radio 2 on the list Thanks
[Thunderbolt General] dms76:
Possible to stop Reboots?

I've used the Original Firmware Radio of 1.12.605.6 / 1.16.00.0223r and I've used the MR1 RUU, MR2 RUU w/ both the MR2 and MR2.5 radios. I always get the reboots. Has anyone successfully stopped the reboots? I don't mind a custom rom or kernel if anyone has suggestions.
[Thunderbolt General] Silvus:
I stopped mine

First I tried old cdma/new lte, then new cdma/old lte; both of those setups gave me reboots.

I went to old cdma/ old lte and haven't rebooted since.

Keep in mind you may need to flash the radio more than once, because it sometimes won't take(or will just still reboot)
[Thunderbolt General] dms76:
I currently using old cmd / old lte but still have reboots. I never thought to flash twice. I will try that thanks!
[Thunderbolt General] patches152:
i'm not rooted, i loaded the MR2 leak and went from up to 6 reboots a day to none in over 24 hours. i would sometimes get two day breaks between the reboots. i've heard that the reboots continued on this build during testing, one of the reasons it failed testing, so we'll see.
[Thunderbolt General] plambda:
I'm on the MR2 RUU (I've only had the device for a few days), but it looks like I get a reboot every 24-30 hours.
[Thunderbolt General] patches152:
well, if it keeps rebooting i'll be rooting and hacking the everliving crap out of the OS until this thing bends to my mercy. also, i have a CLNR device they sent to me that i haven't activated yet. if this leak doesn't work, i'll activate the other one and see how that acts, i still have a few weeks until they charge me for not sending it back.
[Thunderbolt General] blazednova:
you should try to use different kernels, seriously, i haven't had a single reboot in almost two months. it takes a little bit of trial and error; overclock speeds, and what not, but it should greatly help with reboots. you may also want to take a look at custom roms, they can help a lot we have outstanding devs for the thunderbolt.:)

sorry.. didnt read op close enough. i would recomend bamf sense 3.0 rom and imos kernels 3.3.0 ect.
[Thunderbolt General] scotty1223:
ive not had any random reboots either. i am wondering if im just lucky... i have never run one of the stock roms for more than a couple days.

i agree... try some new kernels.
[Thunderbolt General] dms76:
I reflashed the original release radio and I didn't have my normal reboot. I even tried to force a reboot by playing with the GPS, On the Phone, Surfing the internet at the same time. Maybe I'll reflash MR2 2x and then load up BAMF GB 3.0 RC2.

It's hard to find the right options when you have so many options and so many betas, RCs of custom roms. :0)
[Thunderbolt General] solomonic:
I don't get reboots with Mr2. with Mr2.5 i did.
[Thunderbolt General] RossLH:
May be related to yours, maybe not. I had 'random' reboots when I was running a 1.92GHz kernel and had it set to run at full capacity. Under the right amount of load (not necessarily too heavy, just the right amount) the phone rebooted. I dropped it down to 1.4GHz and haven't had a reboot since.
[Thunderbolt General] :
I'm rooted and currently running BAMF 1.8 stripped with imoseyon's most recent Froyo kernel, and the 0402w_1 baseband (thats the RUU, correct?). I had random reboots every 2-6 hours running that exact setup but after messing with all my settings for a few days I'm pretty confident that I was just using an I/O scheduler that wasn't compatible with my kernel (bfq). I recently changed the scheduler to deadline, and since then, not a single reboot! :) I'm still overclocker to 1.41 and undervolted, still running BAMF 1.8 stripped, etc etc. It may just be a coincidence, but either way, I'm not complaining. So my recommendation would be to try that I guess.
[Thunderbolt General] adstro:
I am unrooted and have been affected by the random reboot problem. What has helped me was to pull the sim/sd card and do a factory restart. I realize this is a PITA, but so are the random reboots.

From my experience, the reset will give me a few weeks of being reboot free. When they start happening again, I do another factory reset.

This is certainly not ideal, but (at least for me) does provide some relief from all those reboots.
[Thunderbolt General] RootandBoot:
You need a new phone buddy. Take that back and get VZ to replace it. Thats crazy. Your under warranty.
[Thunderbolt General] mattsonhistb:
Whenever tried to overclock to 1.92 GHZ, I got rebooted within 30 seconds, what ROM were you running?
[Thunderbolt General] RootandBoot:
Also I've seen people saying their SD card was the culprit in the reboots. Back it up first, then try formatting. Or put another micro SD in to see if it stops the reboots. Just something else to try.
[Thunderbolt General] patches152:
for anyone following this thread, i loaded MR2 and i still get reboots, but they seem to only happen overnight. i haven't had any outright crashes where the phone doesn't turn back on (before MR2 i got those, but they were rare, like once every 10-20 reboots, maybe even less frequent than that), which was what i dreaded with the previous build i was running.

is the original launch build floating around anywhere? i'd like to reload that if it's available.

i have a few friends with TBs that are stock, no update, etc. could i maybe dump their OS? anyone know what that involves?
[Thunderbolt General] Bignev:
No reboots here with mr2. Did get some overclocking too much. But now that's solved. Make sure u data cache and dalvick wipe before installing roms
[Thunderbolt General] :
I'm also curious about this, since I also can't overclock past 1.41 GHZ and remain stable. I think it just varies from device to device... But if that's not the case... :)
[Thunderbolt General] patches152:
if you were replying to me, i'm not rooted therefore i'm not sure how much of that applies to me.
[Thunderbolt General] shawnn218:
posting to get rid of new member status
[Thunderbolt General] sammyboy405:
I Reboot As well.

Seriously??? #FacePalm #Fail

Anyways Back on Topic. Ive tried each radio.. Always Flashing twice, and Clearing Davlik.. But yet I Still get atleast 2 to 4 reboots a day.. Most seem to Occur when on WiFi Unsure if its just a Coincidence or not.
[Thunderbolt General] :
Hahaha +1!

ANYWAY, I'm not expert, but just out of curiosity, what ROM/kernel are you running? And if you know, what I/O scheduler are you using? I've been reboot-free for 2 days, and that hasn't happened since I rooted... Maybe it really is just totally random, but in my case, I think the scheduler change did the trick!
[Thunderbolt General] Silvus:
boo

there is a thread in development title return your phone to stock(or something like that. hope it helps
[Thunderbolt General] patches152:
FYI, I haven't had any reboots since I loaded the leaked MR2.
[Thunderbolt General] mohkg:
i never ever had any reboots since i started using a task killer i tried every radio every rom no reboots ever.
[Thunderbolt General] fixxxer2008:
explaination for the reboots?

was there ever a explanation as to why the tbolt gets the random reboots/power offs? seems to me this could be related to an overheating cpu rather than a faulty radio.
[Thunderbolt General] akanatrix:
I'm 100% positive it was the radio. I used to get five or more reboots a day with MR1. On MR2 I am currently at 181 hours of uptime, and I push my phone harder than ever before. Stock and unrooted.
[Thunderbolt General] scottthreet32:
im guessing radio loses signal ,radio tells phone hm someone forgot to program what to due next so reboot....
[Thunderbolt General] ece4free:
It seemed to be related to tower hand-offs with eHRPD. My phone would reboot at the exact same time and place every single day - as soon as I arrived at my house from work.

EVDO, and CDMA2000 in general uses a "soft hand-off" - meaning that the old tower and the new tower both start sending the same signal before handing off, and slowly decrease/increase their Tx power in unison until the user leaves the radius of the old tower. LTE does a "hard hand-off" meaning that the network has to precisely time the handoff, and as soon as the old tower stops transmitting, the new tower needs to start. They say the process for performing hard hand-offs on GSM networks (and now LTE) is possibly the most complicated thing mankind has ever come up with, and there is not a communications engineer out there who isn't amazed that they actually work as described in the specifications.

So eHRPD is a stopgap protocol designed to allow the network to not only handle hard hand-offs for LTE as well as soft hand-offs for EVDO, but to coordinate the handoffs between what is essentially two discrete core networks. I have not read the entire spec myself yet (3GPP release 8 IIRC) but I imagine it is pretty complicated, and that there were some bugs initially with how the phone handled the hand-off process - which was causing the reboots.
[Thunderbolt General] hattoja:
x2..except I still had issued with MR2 while I was unrooted. Mine stopped at MR2.5. Now between that and the 627 I'm finally reboot free (rooted)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] gu1dry:
The user manual for the HTC Flyer just leaked.

http://u.115.com/file/f545c1f00d

Thanks to 911sniper.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] rloup:
Hello,

how it's possible to get the manual? I can't read chinese!

(Sorry for mistakes, I'm German)

Regards
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ovigt71:
use this button on the web page. see screenshot
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] checkbox111:
Click on here :)

Now if i had a flyer, would i be able to view that, highlight areas with the scribe, then send it on to business colleague, friend etc?

Judging by what it says under 'Highlighting and drawing in pen-integrated

apps' yes :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sonofsin:
Please help me, i have a Galaxy S gt-i9000 with froyo (rooted) and i downloaded some custom dialer/ contacts and sms packs (it looked nice so i thought .. why not give it a try) but one of the apps said that its recommended to remove the default app so that it wont cause any conflicts. i wanted to uninstall the default dialer app but i ended up uninstalling the "Phone" app .. and now i cant use the contacts widget.. touching a contact wont pop up the menu with options (call, video call, send sms ..)

i wanted to check if i can try anything in Kies (restore or something) but my phone doesn't seem to be recognized anymore in Kies :|

Is there anything to be done?

any advice is deeply appreciated.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azzledazzle:
i have attached phone apk for you to install. you just need to unzip it and place it under /system /app and then reboot. make sure system is mounted RW

if that fails, reflash the ROM.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sonofsin:
thank you for the prompt answer.

i downloaded the zip but i cant get to the root folder .. i mean .. i can only connect the phone in storage mode ...

should i try using a card?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DMD9:
You need either Root Explorer (paid) or Astro File Manager (free) from the market. Storage mode is fine, just copy the unzipped apk from your pc to the internal storage, then use one of the apps above to move it to /system /app.

Make sure you mount /system /app as rw or it wont paste.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sonofsin:
ok so i copied it in /app ... asked me if i want to replace .. canceled and tried to run the phone apk that i already had ... it said App not installed.. so i copied and replaced the one from you .. and tried to run .. still no result :|

the phone apk is there ... but i think the dialer app is the one actually missing .. could you please add the dialer app as well?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DMD9:
Is this what you're looking for?