yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
Why are people reading this thread then "*****ing" about the OP "*****ing"? Move on and read something else.

The fact of the matter is, he makes a perfectly logical point. Most of us who have a TB learned early on that it cant really be charged while using the kickstand in landscape mode. It's certainly an annoyance. I'm sure most people have figured out that it is likely an intentional attempt to promote dock sales.

Personally I think its sketchy to include an intentional design flaw to promote sales of accessories, especially since it is not usually noticed until after purchase. Sounds like something apple would do. Having said all of this, I still like the phone, after all most other devices don't have a kickstand at all.
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
You didn't know beforehand... So you didn't look at the phone at ANYTIME before you bought it, and see the charging port on the side? :rolleyes:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12997233&postcount=33
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
When you walk into a VZ store the devices are attached to a little anti-theft block. I can definitely understand someone not trying to flip open the kickstand (if that was even possible) and trying to set up and plug a charger into it.
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
He would have seen exactly where the plug went into. Simple common sense would have been able to tell the rest from that. Although if you buy something without even looking at it, i don't know how much common sense you can have to begin with :(
[Thunderbolt General] spyderman09:
Agreed - Sorry, but if you're going to shell out the money to either pay full price or to be locked into a contract for a device for 2 years (though I realize, like me, many will get another device before then), I would scrutinize the hell out of it and make sure I didn't have any qualms. I'm just saddened that most people see the 4G on the back, scream "Whee!" and run out of the store. *Edit, I know that's a blatant generalization, I'm just trying to say that people often don't spend enough time with the device before they buy it and head out the door.

But, like it's been discussed above, it's so that HTC can sell you their dock.
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
You guys are defending the phone like you designed it yourself. Charging the phone while using the stand was definitely not a make or break factor that would have had any bearing on me buying the phone. Especially since other devices don't have a kickstand at all.

Its still an awful design flaw, intentionally included in an attempt to push users towards buying accessories. Pretty weak on HTCs part in my opinion.
[Thunderbolt General] spyderman09:
I'm not defending anything about the design of the phone, nor does my post say the kickstand is in the right spot. I can agree with you that, had I designed it, I wouldn't have put it there; it just doesn't bug me as much. But, you hit the nail on the head with that statement you made.
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Nope. It's that way in order for people who want accessories to get full benefit. If the charging port were anywhere else, a dock would be much more of a hassle.

You don't want a dock? Fine. You can use the kickstand on battery. Or, you can set it flat (or hold it) with a charging cable, like every other phone out there.
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
Dude, wow dont take it personally. I think you're in denial...your telling me they can make all the technology in this phone but can't design a car dock with the power input in a different spot?

There are plenty of devices with power inputs at the top or bottom and work with docks just fine...

I don't even really care about this functionally, I just think its a sketchy design on a phone that is great otherwise
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Do you practice condescension, or come by it naturally?
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
mostly natural, but practice makes perfect ...
[Thunderbolt General] worwig:
OK, for the dock, the charge plug could have been in the bottom.

OR, the stand could have simply been flipped 180.

IMHO, it is a flaw. But my list for this device is small.

I just switched from a Samsung Fascinate. That thing is FILLED with flaws.

Charge cord on the top. Put that on a windshield holder for GPS use. FAIL.

The taper in the cabinet means that the charge plug does not seat in the jack. You basically have to take a knife and cut up the rubber/plastic around any charge plug you have for it to work. FAIL.

Power switch on the side. Most universal holders (I have three) cover the side switchs. I had to pull the phone out of the holder to power it on. Hope it doesn't power off while using the GPS. FAIL.

Even using a highest rate charger on the Fascinate, won't keep up with the phone current when used as a GPS and the display turned up. So the battery dies, while on charge. FAIL.

The menu buttons have a very low sensitivity, so are hard to operate. Yet when the phone gets hot, it is like they are stuck on. FAIL.

Speakerphone. Tiny little hole in back. Enough said. FAIL.

Even the earphone speaker was a little tiny thing that at max volume just got distorted, not louder. FAIL.

No notification LED. FAIL.

And I'm not going to get into the really crap email client, and lack of software updates.

Samsung has far too many flaws for me to even think about. So far, the TB has short battery life, and odd placement of the kickstand. But those are minor dings in the armor IMHO compared to what I just went through.

Spare battery is in the mail, I'm pretty happy. I can HEAR and USE this phone. :eek:
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
And they figure consumers are intelligent and look at something before they purchase it...
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
How does looking at it make it less of a bad design? I don't think people would purchase or not purchase this device based on this minor issue
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
And the process in which you purchase products is ass backwards. Kind of like how a smart consumer would look at something and find out information about said product before purchasing.

If its such a huge flaw to you. Take it back and get a different phone. Maybe you could even take it to a lawyer and see if you could get compensation for all the pain and anguish it has caused you. :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
It is already on the bottom when used with a dock.

If they flipped the stand, people would complain that the volume buttons couldn't be used while using the stand, and that the stand couldn't be open while in a dock for better sound.
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
You seem to being ignoring the part in everyones post where they are saying this is a MINOR issue and an annoying inconvenience. No one is saying that the wouldn't have bought the phone because of this, you seem to be stuck on some sort of loop.

There is no logic in blaming the consumer for a design flaw by the manufacturer...

It's minor, its not a big deal, the OP was just simply asking about an annoyance most of us have noticed. I'm not understanding the need to defend HTC to the death, we all still like the phone.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
Do you guys actually think it's a design flaw?! LOL. No it's to increase accessories sales. And convenience for dock users. Do you know how many prototypes they had of the tbolt, sketches, and designs drawn up. I can just see wanna of the designers saying, "ppl going to ***** ..." You guys are making it sound like HTC just put a phone together like a Lego set.

First of all if HTC didn't design a kickstand for the phone then we wouldn't have this issue with the charging port. You would have to go back to the old days and just hold the phone to watch something, geeze give HTC a lil more credit. They did give you the first android production phone, first to come out and set the trend of big mobile screen, etc etc oh and like I said earlier they gave us the kickstand. Which sounds like ppl are taking it for granted because they can't keep a charge.
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
You aren't saying anything we didn't say. Actually I am giving HTC full credit, I am positive they thought of this ahead of time. It's an intentional design, but one that detracts from the functionality of the kickstand in favor of selling accessories. AKA, intentional design flaw.

And yes, I agree...this isn't much of an issue because other devices don't even have kickstands. I just don't like the idea of weakening your own design to sell accessories...apple like.
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
Warning, ghetto alert!

A simple paper clip resolves this problem. Of course this is ghetto. I personally won't do this, but I just wanted to prove the concept.

For people that use their kickstand all the time...
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Throw away your charging accessory, and, problem solved!
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
So logical, why didn't I think of that.
[Thunderbolt General] worwig:
I see this as a money maker for someone to design a reverse kickstand clip of so type.

Come on, let's be optomistic about this. :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] ska.t73:
Well if this is such a huge design flaw, as some say, then what is everyones opinion on Apple putting the freaking headphone jack on the BOTTOM of the iPod Touch? Talk about a huge design flaw, or more like huge design to sell more accesseries. I mean who the hell listens to a music player upside down?

So while the design might not be the best, HTC is hardly the only company to do this.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
If you used the kickstand alot you would of found out within 14 days (return period) So you can't say I didn't know and I hate it. Because you had your chance to return it. I found out about the charging port the first minutes of using it. Come on people.
[Thunderbolt General] 06stang:
I bet its to force people to buy the dock. Its not a design flaw. They design a sophisticated piece of computer equipment and suddenly dont know how to design a kickstand? Also it sits fine standing up and charging.

sent from my RAZR
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
Frankly, I don't care about the charger placement, it doesn't bother me. I went to the VZW store on launch day, played with the phone for 10-15 mintues, then purchased.

And you wouldn't be able to tell even after going over the device :rolleyes: you are kidding right? First you said you didn't look at the phone before purchasing, now you say you didn't notice it when you looked at it.

I'll say it again, buying something without any prior knowledge or information about a product, is just plain stupid. You had 14 days after purchase, so you didn't notice it for the first 2 weeks either? Might want to get those eyes checked...
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Don't you feel dumb for buying one, then.

Really, "retarted?"
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
You can return any phone within 14 days. No need for a reason. Because you didn't like it, is valid enough but not needed.
[Thunderbolt General] dopediculous:
Dude was right. HTC wants you to buy their docks. That's why I saved $40 and got a universal car mount and installed the horizontal rosie. So sick! Antiglare SP and TV shows stream (paid app) is freaking sweet to watch TV shows OD in the daytime while stuck in traffic. Hence the antiglare :)

4Geezy ON DopeDiculous's ROOTED TBeezy!
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
I see lots of posters around here are spelling challenged. That would be "retarded" and "doofus." :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
So, they paid you $10 to take that mount? The TB-specific car dock Verizon sells is only $30.
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
I'm not the one complaining about the phone.

I'm not the one calling it a design flaw.

I'm not the one who is angry.

It's ok, I understand, I would be pissed if I found out I was stupid too.
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
Well thats not a very fair assumption, you haven't ever met me. I'm still confused as to how me replying to a thread shows anger. I am also still confused as to what it is I am angry about. Maybe you could tell me, seeing as you seem to know so much about me already :rolleyes:

And if you continue right back with me what does that make you? :confused:
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
You continue to smash on this thread, and say "stupid" people buy this phone despite the charger /kickstand issue. It IS An issue whether it bothers you or not, but not an issue that is going to stop people from buying it (you don't seem to be able to comprehend that) . There's nothing wrong with suggesting improvements.

You've regurgitated the same inflammatory posts over and over again...we get it, you don't care about charging while using the kickstand. Move on...
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
I'm sorry, did you guys get butthurt by my comments?
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
You seem very confused ...
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
Flamewar up in here lol. Long story short I agree with g00s3y. You had 14 days to return it, if the charger placement was that big of an issue then return it. And it obviously is, you had to start another thread about it. Just accept it and move on.
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
I guess I don't understand the obsession with return policy, which has nothing to do with the thread. The OP, was simply pointing out the annoying fact that you can't charge your phone while using the kickstand.

It seems like guys are defending the phone as if its your girlfriend or kid or something. You can't tolerate someone pointing out an issue with it. Its just a phone, its OK...

If you don't like the thread, why read it?
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
Well normally if something is not working correctly or not the way you want it to, ppl return or exchange it. OP hates it and is calling it a design flaw. If you truly think it's a design flaw then its a faulty product. Then return it. Not defending the product just resolving OP issue.
[Thunderbolt General] mcmillanje:
Works fine for me...

Here's what I do:

or... stack a couple books on the counter and use the corner as I have here.... works great and no hassle.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
Lol. Intuitive!
[General Questions and Answers] ShinerDraft:
I posted this last night, but I think I put it in the wrong sub-forum. I can't find a way to delete that post, but I'll keep trying

I had a rooted Aria on AT&T, but it got stolen yesterday. I've already got my insurance replacement on the way.

From what I've read, there's a good chance that my replacement will have the AT&T 2.2 update which prevents it from being rooted. I'm pretty much addicted to using Swype and a couple of other non-market apps, so that's a big problem.

So, since it might be unrootable and because of the small screen size, I'm considering selling my replacement and buying something else. I have to stay with AT&T, so I've glanced at the Captivate and the Inspire.

How would your rate these phones vs the Aria for:

1. Rooting

2. Screen visibility

3. Battery life/speed/performance

Any other thoughts are also welcome.

Also - I had one or two purchased apps on my phone. Is there any way to get those back?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
I was looking since a while for a transparent stautsbar for the nexus one running CM7.

Pendo made one running on CM7 nightly #62.

In the post there are some screenshots, if you want to see, how it looks like.

Great thanks to pendo for his awesome work! :)
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Sergio PC:
UUU yes please, this would hit the spot.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Hollow.Droid:
Looks nice, another vote here :)

Out of interest I tried flashing the Desire HD file, it rebooted twice and then worked. The mods work when the screen is locked and then revert to it's previous look once unlocked. Therefore it may not take a whole lot to actually port this.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Sergio PC:
I found this have not tried but will later:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7377678#post7377678

http://forum.androidcentral.com/lg-optimus-s-rooting-roms-hacks/49049-how-port-theme.html

http://samsunggalaxysforums.com/showthread.php/736-Port-Any-Android-Theme-to-Any-Build
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
Thanks for the helpful links! I'll give it a try :)
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] anthonyh90:
Would it not be possible to do this using the uot kitchen

http://uot.dakra.lt/
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
Here ya go...semi-transparent status bar, also a semi-transparent shade. All the rest is stock (well, I also put a new shade handle on it).

Flash in recovery

CM7-N1-trans_status_shade.zip
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
Hi pendo,

first at all, thx so much for your effort!! But i'm afraid, it doesn't work on my N1.

I wiped dalvik and cache, flashed the zip-file via recovery. I tried it on ADW Launcher EX and Go Launcher EX with Wallpaper hack unchecked.

Are there any tips you can give? :o
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
Well...I'm unsure, lol. I made a few downloads yesterday morning and it was working all fine. I didn't expect this, but I suppose it makes sense now that I actually think about it but even though this hack is done in the /system/app directory, it IS build specific. That was built using CM-7.0.2.1 Is that what you're running?

I just tried it on yesterdays nightly and no-go...lol. SystemUI FC.

So, if you're on another build you can let me know, or if you know how to work in smali, you can either decompile the apk or baksmali the classes.dex file. You need to edit StatusBarService.smali. For a transparent pull down, search for

.method onBarViewAttached

go down 5 lines of text and if you see this

const/4 v5, 0x2

then you change it to this. It may already be that.

const/4 v5, -0x3

Also, double check the same 5 lines under

.method onTrackingViewAttached

For a transparent status bar, in that same file you need to edit

method protected addStatusBarView

The value we need to change isn't conveniently at the beginning of the method, like the other 2, it's in the middle. Easiest way to locate it is just to copy this text and search for it:

invoke-direct/range {v0 .. v5}, Landroid/view/WindowManager$LayoutParams;-><init>(IIIII)V

When you find that, the line directly above it change

const/4 v3, 0x2

to

const/4 v3, -0x3

Then recompile and viola
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
Well, i'm afraid i am not familiar with smali. but i'm running CM7.0.2.1. So i guess, this can't be the problem :confused:

Any other idea? :o
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
which recovery are you using?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
i'm running CWM 3.0.0.5.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
which recovery are you using? edit, I missed your reply.

I'm wondering if it even installed. Did the handle to close the status bar change? If it didn't, that would indicate that it didn't actually flash.

If you have root explorer, you can copy SystemUI.apk from that zip and copy/paste it in /system/app.

If it did in fact install, but you still aren't getting transparency, then I'm not sure what happened. I just repeated the exact same steps for the latest nightly #62 and this is what I see:
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
Just a note....this does not work with SPB Shell 3D. If I get a chance I'll try to see why, but my guess is it may be difficult.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
Oh man, i don't know what i'm doing wrong, but i just did the same as you did: i did wipe dalvik and cache, flashed the nightly #62 and then your zip-file, reboot.

After booting, a FC of systemUI occurs :(

Perhaps i have to do a full wipe? I'll give it a try tomorrow...

Anyway, great thanks to you pendo!! :D

I just hope, to have a nice statusbar like yours on the screenshot! :cool:
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
Oh no...my bad I should've been more clear. I didn't use the same actual file for nightly 62, but I repeated the same procedure for enabling the transparency with it.

Here...I made another one that doesn't have all my blue signal bars and stuff. This IS for nightly 62:

CM7-N1_nite62-trans_status-shade.zip
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
Hey pendo, thx a lot for your fast response!

I flashed this zip-file, but now it stopped at the screen with the google logo :o

Do you think, a full wipe can solve this problem?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
well, this is quite embarrassing....the SystemUI.apk is fine. Works as I said, but I carelessly left a modified services.jar for an evo that I had made earlier in the framework directory of that zip. So that was the problem.

In the highly unlikely event you haven't already restored to a working condition, I've included services.jar from #62 with this download. It is safe to flash if you have restored as well. Wiping shouldn't be required with this...I just tested flashing this package (not just pushing the apk) without wiping and it worked fine. I've fixed the link above, but I'll include it again here. Please accept my appologies...I really did manage to make this much more difficult for you than it needed to be.

CM7-N1_nite62-trans_status-shade.zip
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Sergio PC:
@ Pendo: Thanks man looking good. But once you change wallpaper it goes back to black status bar. Although it is still transparent in lock screen.

@ zahni_tue: What if you edit the first post and turn it into the transparent status bar thread?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
Disable the wallpaper hack in ADW.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Sergio PC:
Ooo man I'm such an idiot I completely forgot the wallpaper hack disable.

Thank you very much Sir.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
Lol...not near as bad as my bonehead earlier leaving that services.jar in from a different rom

I have mixed feelings about the transparent status bars. The problem is that you get inconsistent results depending on what app you're on. For the home and lock screens, I generally think they look good. But then open up google voice or other apps, then not so much. Also there's the problem of the date overlay when you pull down the shade. It calls it's own background so that it can cover up what's on the left side of the status bar. It looks pretty funky like that, so I actually disabled it in this file. To me and my eye it's just a bit less disagreeable this way rather than the other. If I get a chance I'll post a pic of what the other way looks like.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Sergio PC:
Yes i see what you mean, but it looks good anyways. It would be nice if the thread starter edited 1st post so we can have this as a Status bar mod thread. In my personal taste i like everything as transparent as it can possibly be pic:.

You say it calls its own backgrd? Could a transparent image be pulled down?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
I see that everyone's N1 is working fine flashing this zip-file. Just mine won't become transparent. I really don't know what's the problem. But for now it's enough and i'll try again tomorrow :)

BTW, could anyone explain me, how i can change the title of the thread? I couldn't find a button for this :o
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] pendo:
Did you try flashing this last zip again? It was built for nightly #62. As long as you're on 62, I can't think of what would be causing the issue.

As far as editing titles, you have to click on the "go advanced" and that will take you to the normal edit page with full controls
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] zahni_tue:
Yes, i tried the last zip, but it just doesn't want to change.

Very strange thing that just mine doens't work though it's the same nightly #62 and your zip file.

I will flash the new CM7.0.3 and try later some day to create one my myself:rolleyes:

Anyway great thanks again to you pendo!

By clicking on the 'go advanced' button, it says i should click on any quick reply to activate this. But then, there is just the editor for a reply, but no chance for editing the currenty thread.

Am i too stupid or just doing something wrong? :confused: