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[Thunderbolt General] droidxscott:
yep, def wanna stay with a 4g phone, I get a great 4g signal in my area. I'm going to reroot later today and flash a rom to see if i can fix the camcorder audio problem...thats really my biggest gripe. I have 3 extra batteries so i can deal with the crappy battery life.
[Thunderbolt General] 4Gallovermyface:
I'd take a charge over my tb in a second. If I can get Verizon to trade my tb I'll do it asap. If not I'm going back my fascinate. Fascinate on 3g is still better than tb on 4g.
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
Better at what? Better not say battery.
[Thunderbolt General] dbisch:
lol wut

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[Thunderbolt General] IISiDeK1CKII:
If you go back to your fascinate... Your username will be even more dumb than it is now.

I can never go to a phone smaller than this... Ever. And 4g rapes the face off 3g... You're special.
[Thunderbolt General] turbosrrgood:
I'm not one of those guys that buys a phone because it looks "cool" or anything, but come on I don't wan't to be embarrassed to hold it...The charge is one hideous looking android phone. I'll stick with my TB, which does everything i need it do. Only complaint is the infamous battery.

My next phone will be a high quality dual core device (once the bugs are worked out), with the same size screen (qHD or better)...with proven battery life.
[Thunderbolt General] 4Gallovermyface:
My stock Fascinate gives me 3 days with no charge. Roms kill the battery a bit faster. My stock tb doesn't even last 3 hours. With your Rom I can get up to 12 hours. Probably average closer to 8 hours.

They have the same performance. The only thing I would lose is the screen size which I don't care about and 4g. I would hate to give up 4g but I find myself constantly out with a dead phone.
[Thunderbolt General] Pzyborg:
No way I trade the Thunderbolt for a Charge, you're asking for more problems! But I do second that Galaxy S II comment.
[Thunderbolt General] FallenCow:
That sAMOLED+ screen is VERY tempting, but if you're looking for developer support I would definitely stick with the TB. Not sure if this is the case with the Charge as well, but I had a Fascinate and the process of having to mess with the file system to get better performance was a real PITA. I'm assuming the charge just uses a modified version of the the Fascinate software.

If only we could get a TB with the Charge's screen!
[Thunderbolt General] jackmei2:
this is why I'll probably keep my tbolt over my fascinate and not consider a Charge. dev support is really important to help keep my phone running at it's best!

and comparing my tbolt and fascinate side to side, the screen on the tbolt is not that bad compared to the fascinate. now the fascinate next to a droidx... yea, fascinate hands down.
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
Stock on Eclair maybe. A Froyo'ed SF will not last more than a TB will.
[Thunderbolt General] wiredmonkey:
Engadget's Charge review - http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-review/

Much improved battery life over the TB.

$299 (+$50 over TB)

Screen is on par with TB

Charge case feels cheap
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
I wish these reviewers would show battery stats instead of just mention in passing that it was good.

Anyone else notice the gps took forever to lock (watch the status bar)? Whats up with all the phones with sucky gps lately?
[Thunderbolt General] dbisch:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-crushes-the-thunderbolt-on-battery-life/

I really don't have a problem with the TB's battery life. I'm using the extended battery and it lasts me throughout the entire day. I don't need my phone to hold a charge for 3 days or whatever. As long as it lasts me from the time I leave for work to the time I get home, I'm happy.
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
Thats a bit better, but the first screenshots show no data connection at all.

The second ones are on wifi, and the display is so low, its been sitting idle, with the screen off, probably the entire time.

I guess we shall see for sure once the device is released.
[Thunderbolt General] intangibleDroid:
If you have any plans on rooting/modding your phone I would not recommend a Samsung. Using ODIN is probably one of my least favorite Android experiences.

Installed a CM port on my friend's captivate and could have sworn the thing was bricked twice. But that is just my experience, YMMV.
[Thunderbolt General] ajd88:
I just came from a fascinate, and so far after running das bamf 1.6 battery life on the tb isn't disappointing to me. It's seems about the same as the fascinate if not better at this point. Anyways I don't regret getting the tb at all, things a beast.

P.s. To the post above me odin is very easy and convenient in my opinion.

Sent from my Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
RUU is easier. Assuming its possible with the tbolt as it is with evo, and incredible.
[Thunderbolt General] eraursls1984:
Your crazy, the X has te best screen I've seen. The only reason I got the TB wa to lock in that unlimited 4g price. The unlocked bootloader and 4g is nice but its the only thing better than the X. The TB is much smoother stock but running ApeX or Liberty puts the X on par with the TB's smoothness. The X was easier to customize and surf the web, which is a PITA on the TB. The battery on the X lasted about 3x's longer than the TB with 4g turned off.
[Thunderbolt General] PineTre3:
if you're only getting 8 hours with das bamf you must have everything on your phone running i've had das bamf since i rooted and i go 12 hours and still have 70ish percent with my extended battery and with my stock battery i can go 12 and get around 30ish percent you need to do some more tweeking to your phone and there's a rumor they are making a recall on the stock battery and unofficially released a new battery for free of charge
[Thunderbolt General] ajd88:
I don't know man those amoled displays are pretty much the best out there, the contrast is incredible. Side by side its a no contest imo. In fact that's the only reason I miss my fascinate.

Sent from my Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] dbisch:
+1

The DX's screen is fantastic. It took me a while to adjust to the TB's screen. The colors are too saturated, IMO.
[Thunderbolt General] cypherx82:
I thought the colors on my TB were better than my X, though slightly dimmer.

Maybe you got the Sony display?
[Thunderbolt General] dbisch:
Is there a way to find out?
[Thunderbolt General] dirtyfingers:
Hahahaha.... That was funny.

To me its a no brainer, I'd take the tbolt over the charge anyday. So far the devs have been nothing less than awesome, and this phone is far superior to anything else I have ever used. The only thing the charge might have over it is battery life, but so far that is just speculation as I have not really seen any hard evidence.
[Thunderbolt General] jasoninator:
Never, the Charge just seems like a pretty screen on an otherwise weak phone. I'm glad Adryn pointed out that without updates for the devs to build off, work is slow and difficult. I think that's something most people fail to realize. The Charge also hasn't been getting much attention, so I question how many devs will be working on it. The phone feels like a stopgap from Samsung until the Galaxy S2 comes out.

If the screen is THAT important to you, get the Charge, otherwise try different roms and that should fix your issues with the Bolt.
[Thunderbolt General] lect1984:
the hottest selling point of an Android phone isn't the features it ships with - it's the features available to the device via developer support and software updates.

a SGS phone is as good now as it was 6 months ago. phones like OG droid and Droid Inc are still modern thanks to strong developer support and constant software updates.
[Thunderbolt General] MONKY_1:
Battery life is. **** load better then the TB

-Monky_1
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
And you know this how? Reviews don't count.
[Thunderbolt General] cypherx82:
There is, but I don't recall. It's something similar to a dxdiag that tells you.
[Thunderbolt General] CJNYC:
+1

What he said
[Thunderbolt General] engagedtosmile:
I will never go Samsung or Motorola.

HTC is the best manufacturer out there when it comes to updates and build quality. Simple as that.
[Thunderbolt General] nerozehl:
I like my ThunderBolt too much to even consider going with a phone that seems inferior by most accounts.
[Thunderbolt General] SUB-dawg:
The charge has a beautiful body. if I could get the reliability of software from htc and the hardware of the charge then I would switch.
[Thunderbolt General] MisterDonut:
I would kill for HDMI..

.. hmm is there anyway I can connect my tbolt to my 52inch LED to watch youtube or movies.
[Thunderbolt General] dbisch:
Updates, yes. Build quality, ugh... no. Most HTC devices feel cheap.

The build quality of Motorola's phones are fantastic.
[Thunderbolt General] SUB-dawg:
well the bolt has DLNA which is like wireless HDMI.
[Thunderbolt General] 1454:
Does the HDMI on the Charge actually work as a display out, or is it like the DX where it just display's media content? I wish they would come out with a phone featuring a fully functional HDMI out.
[Thunderbolt General] 1454:
As I understand it, it only works for media stored locally.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
And the HDMI for the evo was only made for media as well, now you can do a full mirror. Restrictions don't mean anything when it comes to software and xda.
[Thunderbolt General] 1454:
If our talented developers here could make the DNLA adapter be a full mirror then I would be all over it, and only have one issue left with my phone. and that is never going to be fixed(Micro USB location.)
[Thunderbolt General] cjmcmillion:
Hate to do this but if it helps you decide check this out...

***DROID Charge Crushes the Thunderbolt on Battery Life***

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-crushes-the-thunderbolt-on-battery-life/
[Thunderbolt General] PJnc284:
That article is pretty much meaningless. In the second image, the screen looks like it was barely even on. If I left my Bolt idle for that long, I could probably get 2 days on wifi. The first image really isn't that much better as it still doesn't show how long the display was on.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
Whatever you get its your choice.
[Thunderbolt General] papi92:
Just to let everyone know. I'm on blackhole with drodspeed and I'm a heavy user and I'm still at 72%. I woke up at 730 am eastern time
[Thunderbolt General] JBO1018:
dmesg | grep panel

I belive root+busybox is required to get a proper response.

Mosy likely will return sharp panel as I have yet to see anyone report a different result.

Sorry if this is off topic but I just don't understand people's gripes with the screen on the TB. I think it looks great. I think it is def on par with SAMOLED, and I honestly find those to be really over-saturated. I have yet to get a chance to compare side by side with a SAMOLED+

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] eraursls1984:
Motorola has the best hardware build quality hands down. My X felt very solid but light, the thunderbolt isn't bad but compared to the X it feels like a toy but heavy as hell. Samsung are the worst of the three. If it wasn't for 4g i'd keep my X, with ApeX or Liberty my X ran as good as my thunderbolt and it was MUCH easier to use, however I know that in a few months the thunderbolt should be much better due to the unlocked bootloader. HTC has much better software than any other phone except for the one feature I use most, the browser, it is such a pain browsing on this phone, I can never open a page in a new window without zooming all the way in, with the X I never had to due that. Also Motorola is very good about updates, not sure if they are as quick as HTC but they are fairly quick for non dev devices
[Thunderbolt General] MONKY_1:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-crushes-the-thunderbolt-on-battery-life/ there u go

-Monky_1
[Thunderbolt General] nkd:
have the thunderbolt. Yes a great phone, but the denial of the fact that charge has better battery life by some TB owners is just pure pathetic. TB sucks at battery life, yes I have rooted it and improved the battery life and people saying it will last two days on wifi please do so and see what happens. I can get most of the day after being rooted, but not everyone does the rooting, so Charge might be great for those who want battery life without having to root the phone.
[Thunderbolt General] Bateluer:
Personally, I stick with the Thunderbolt. While the Droid Charge looks like a nice phone, and will undoubtedly get some decent community software, I just don't think its enough of an upgrade over the TB.

Ultimately, both are rehash phones of what we've seen before plus an LTE radio.

If I was going to trade in the TB, it'd be for a dual core phone of some kind. At minimum.
[Thunderbolt General] 4Gallovermyface:
If I leave my tb on with the screen off it will die in 3 hours max. With the Display still being the highest percentage even though the screen is off. I did that with my Fascinate (after it was disconnected from my account) and it stayed on for about 10 days.
[Thunderbolt General] PJnc284:
Sounds like something is wrong with your phone and/or battery.
[Thunderbolt General] m00nshake:
I'll say that I liked my Samsung Vibrant, it had a nice screen, was fast with voodoo enabled, and I learner a lot about sdk, adb, Odin, Cwr, that made rooting and flashing on HTC devices much easier. However, I too got fed up with waiting for Samsung to send out the Froyo update and ended up selling both Vibrants on Ebay. I had a brief affair with the Nexus S but couldn't get over that it was just another Galaxy phone.... returned it... and have been using HTC devices ever since... and I would not turn back to Samsung, I don't care how awesome the phone is...
[Thunderbolt General] miketoasty:
My phone lasts 5 hours with the screen on the whole time sounds like you have a defective phone.
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
I bet I can do the same and let my phone idle for two days.

Those screencaps are a joke.
[Thunderbolt General] 4Gallovermyface:
When I use dasbamf I can run for 8-12 hours. Which is what other people seem to be getting. 8-12 hours doesn't really fit my needs though. I unplug at 5 am and often can't plug back in until midnight to 1 am. Leaving me without a phone for half my day.
[Thunderbolt General] 4Gallovermyface:
I used the toolkit to lower the max cpu to 800 mhz and set the powersave profile. Phone runs kind of choppy but I'll see if I can get a full day out of it now.
[Thunderbolt General] tsitalon1:
D1 owner here that took my TB back after 12 days....here's why:

1. Battery life sucked (yes I was rooted on Das BAMF) still 90mins of "screen time" equaled 50% battery even at lowest brightness.

2. LED Notification SUCKS...can barely see it when holding the phone in your hand

3. USB location engineered by Stevie Winder (obviously)

4. Still had GPS location errors even after latest patches

5. Screen brightness sucked in daylight

6. External speaker not loud enough

I'm trying to hold out for the bionic, but could be inticed by the "Charge" because I really do want to be grandfathered into the unlimited 4g.

To me all the above is important with battery life being the most important.

Anyony know how the Charge compares to the TB in the above categories?

I also understand that the CHARGE has already been rooted. I also understand that the RFS file system can be converted with a VOODOO kernel to yield much better performance.

Whatcha guys think?
[Thunderbolt General] Trumps:
Honestly the thunderbolt has been the most disappointing Android phone I've had - and I have had every major phone since the original Motorola Droid.

Network issues aside, there are a lot of little nuances that frustrate me, such as the browser always prepending "h t t p : / / w w w." in the url box - some sites require m as the host or sometimes you just want to search... Annoying.

My only hope is that CM7 runs good enough to make me want to keep the phone. Being tied to a charger almost all day really sucks.
[Thunderbolt General] miketoasty:
Please state all your problems as I have also use all of the major android phones and so far the thunderbolt is by far my favorite.

The browser can be replaced, problem solved.

And I must have some god phone as my phone easily lasts all day (texting, hex defense, angry birds, internet, and tethering) by all day I mean 12+ hours of usage.
[Thunderbolt General] oohPandaBear:
Thunderbolt rocks.
[Thunderbolt General] eraursls1984:
I have a lot of problems with this phone, the touch sensitivity sucks, I was hoping that would be fixed when I flashed roms but it wasn't. Another major frustration I have is web using any browser (I mainly use dolphin hd) I have a really hard time opening a new window without zooming all the way in, never had this problem on my X. Is there any fixes for these problems? I think I'm gonna go to Verizon and play with other TB's to see if its just mine that has the problem.
[Thunderbolt General] Trumps:
1) The battery life is terrible. Out of box stock it would not last even 1 day

2) The mail client drops offline after a random period of time, and does not stay up to date with both of my exchange accounts, which are located on different networks, and are running different versions of exchange.

3) Why can't I type a name from the dialer? I have to first type something random, hit backspace, and then start typing again for it to search my contacts

4) The screen locks when in a call, and then when I unlock it, the dialer is in the background. When I use my left thumb to grab the notification bar, it is too close to the proximity sensor, and causes the screen to go dark. Sometimes this also causes the phone to lock again. This makes it frustrating to end a call.

5) The stock car dock app sucks

6) The phone reaches it's thermal limit very fast when docked in the car, and will actually stop charging when sunlight and CPU activity heats the device up.

7) Ever released radio is extremely unstable.

A huge beef I have with every Android device right now is that OEM's are spending way too much time trying to cook their own OS from AOSP to create their own unique user experience, and in the process, they make the phones less stable and more frustrating to use.

All the OEM's need to focus on making great hardware, and let Google and the open source community move the software forward.

A great example of this is the MicroSD card slot not working on the Xoom from the factory. The community however, already has a kernel that makes the SD card work. A company with such a vast amount of capital as Motorola couldn't get this done before it was released?
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
I like this device. Feel free to move on.

FWIW:

Number 1 doesn't apply to me.

Number 2 sounds like a Blackberry would be a better fit.

Number 3 doesn't apply to me.

Number 6 applies to every device. Use air connditioning ftw.

Number 7 isn't true yet, seeing how all we have are leaked radios.
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
not wasting my time reading this thread

hell no. would definitely not change.

TB build quality is much better than Samsung's ****ty plastic. Plus those tactile buttons are fugly as hell.
[Thunderbolt General] Trumps:
I feel like you may be splitting hairs here. Don't get me wrong, I like the device too and again, as I've said, the hardware out there including this device is great... However, coming from a Droid X that lasted 2-3 days with email that always rolled in on time, never overheated in the car, etc, it's pretty frustrating - however, in defense of the thunderbolt, the X had it's own set of challenges when I first got it.

I am reasonably confident at this point that the community will sort out all of the issues and it will be a great phone. However it's extremely immature at this point and has a lot of growing up to do before it will be a kicking rad phone.

I would love to move my entire enterprise over to Android- however, it's completely impractical at this point as functional equivalence to a blackberry requires rooting, modifying the device, etc, and that is completely unfeasible in my environment - and believe me, I have a great, deeply rooted hate for blackberry.
[Thunderbolt General] dirtyfingers:
Mine is about the same as that
[Thunderbolt General] crazed_z06:
I would trade if I could, from the engadget review, it seems like Samsung has done a MUCH better job of getting good battery life out of their device. The TB's battery life is hit and miss, but is generally atrocious.
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
The engadget review said it had better battery life in the beginning.

Then nothing else about it. Not much of a highlight.

Droid-Life posted screencaps of devices that had been idle for god knows how long, lol.

Will it be better?

Sure, its a bigger battery. Go figure. Night and day difference? I really doubt it.
[Thunderbolt General] squeakyl:
yeah, i'm not ready to judge the battery part yet, considering most reviews say that they're going to revisit after a few days of use.

the droid life cap is absolutely ridiculous. apparently the screen was on for like 20 mins of the entire "up time"
[Thunderbolt General] gitku:
I have had a charge in my hands for about two hours and can tell you that the display in my (as well as about 10 others involved) opinion(s) the display is entirely too vivid. You know that look on your TV when you just crank the color all the way up? That's how the charge looks all the time. Coming from OG droid HTC owns, but then again I expected poor battery life in exchange for performance... Not to mention did no one see where Samsung was sued over withholding a 2.2 update on purpose to increase sales of a newer model?
[Thunderbolt General] ajftl:
Just check the androidpolice review on the charge... horrible

sent from my Acer iconia using TT
[Thunderbolt General] mAlfunkti0n:
Yeah, ask Fascinate owners about that. I'll guarantee you get a different answer.
[Thunderbolt General] yatman60:
The only thing that's really compelling about the Charge is the 2+ days of battery life on a single charge. That's insane consider you get maybe a few hours on the T-Bolt.
[Thunderbolt General] miketoasty:
Sigh.... And how do you know it lasts that long hmmm?
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
You mean, two days, screen off, on WiFi? LOL.
[Thunderbolt General] ajd88:
Here's cnets review for the charge. http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-droid-charge-verizon/4505-6452_7-34468678.html

Sent from my Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] ignitros:
Don't forget the burn in issues with the Samsung screens. I had the Fascinate and although I thought it was a great phone and loved the screen after about 2 months I could see ghosting left over from my text messaging client on the screen since I text alot. It's very noticeable and there were tons of complaints about the problem right here on XDA.
[Thunderbolt General] yatman60:
Don't take my word for it - take the word of the reviewers on reputable sites:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-review/

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-crushes-the-thunderbolt-on-battery-life/
[Thunderbolt General] yatman60:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/02/droid-charge-crushes-the-thunderbolt-on-battery-life/

"And I should also point out that for whatever reason, I’ve had some connection issues with this phone (that apparently no one else is), which you would think would hammer on the battery. Nope, not the case. If after turning it off/on a dozen times, switching between 4G and 3G-only, the phone still managed to hold on for 2 days."
[Thunderbolt General] yatman60:
Quote from the review on CNET: "However, we can tell you that the Charge's battery life is longer than the HTC ThunderBolt's. With moderate use of the browser, e-mail, and some media features, the smartphone lasted a full work day before needing to be recharged."