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[LG Optimus 2x] gtamax:
i have flash the CM7 #37 but the battery % remaing 0. i have calibration battery but the problem wasn't fix...

Today i have reflash the CM7 #38 with all wipe...when 2x powered on the battery % is correct, but when standby e reactive the battery % is 0.

can we help me? =(
[LG Optimus 2x] machtwerk:
Strange. Do you have a widget that can display battery percentage? If yes, what does it say?

Also: have you tried formatting /system before flashing?
[LG Optimus 2x] xgeneralex:
Sorry but for gps-status.txt what do you mean?

/etc/gps.conf ?

Is this that I'll backup for the next cm7 flash?

Does file & configuration remains even after wipe data formatting?

this is my custom backup file:

/etc/gps.conf

/lib/lge-ril.so

/media/audio/ringtones/helloworld.ogg

Can you tell me if it's a right configuration?

Thank you very much!

(I'm sorry for my english :rolleyes:)
[LG Optimus 2x] gtamax:
i have installed battery widget. but the comportament is equal to battery % of CM, after the stand by is 0% before is correct

at the last flash i have wipe data/factory reset and wipe cache...the 3 before flashing i have wipe data/factory, cache, dalvik, battery stats
[LG Optimus 2x] temasek:
I was giving examples, fake names. Wipe data will not touch your /system. Also your backup txt will definitely survive a flash of rom.

Your txt file looks good.
[LG Optimus 2x] b3ndech0:
try nvflash maybe?
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
What is nvflash?
[LG Optimus 2x] b3ndech0:
http://android.modaco.com/content/l...rom-release-v10b-dated-1300166062-15-03-2011/
[LG Optimus 2x] hellokittyr:
i got cifs to work..

here's what i did..

extracted cifs.ko from http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1059910

and copy to system/lib/module/

However, cant make nls_utf8.ko to work in cm7

i set under "option" of cifs manager "iocharset=utf8" and point to nls_utf8.ko in setting like this "/system/lib/modules/cifs.ko:/system/lib/modules/nls_utf8.ko"

and it fails and says missing shared library.

i uploaded the nls_utf8.ko that used to work with paul's rom here.

http://www.multiupload.com/XK0RY05D0U

maybe it needs to be edited to work in cm7.....
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
Video recorder is not working on rori's KANG.. Can any1 confirmtis on #38?
[LG Optimus 2x] grognaz:
tested #37 today (will update to #38 now).

here some things i found are not working at the moment:

- headset button only works when phone is awake. when display is off it doesnt work (winamp). also the forward backward button on the headset doent work (used to work on wildfire cm7)

- switching networks in the status bar doesnt work. it displays that it has changed but the network stays the same. its possible to change it in the mobile networks options.

- wifi sometimes doesnt wake after unlocking phone (disabling/enabling via status bar fixes that)

otherwise its pretty smooth and fast, had not one crash and used the phone a lot (music streaming, cam, vids, gps)
[LG Optimus 2x] gtamax:
i have to reflash? an alternative method that allow no reflash?

the battery work correctly, but i see the real % only when i turned on 2x, but after first standby i see 0%

to format system, enough the 3 wipe of cwm(data/factory, cahce and dalvik)?

what is the difference of nvflash? (and is only for win?)
[LG Optimus 2x] gensplejs:
GPS is badly broken on build 38.

I run 5km every second day... Today i got a lock just fine but my phone tracked 11km on the same route. No app update no nothing. Just the new CM nightly :-)
[LG Optimus 2x] Clivectmob:
Just flashed .38, been having a few issues, with all nightlies with the usual browser lag and so on, so decided to do this after a full wipe, (data, cache, dalvik). Now I can't download anything off the market and google talk login keeps failing. Tried all the usual cures like clearing all data from the market apps in application manager all to no avail. Anyone else got this??
[LG Optimus 2x] ermacwins:
The hanging on web broswer is so severe on the latest nightlies. Freezes when gpoing to camera and gallery. Im on baseband 218.

Also the volume when speaking on the phone is too loud, even when set at the lowest. Because of these 2 reason im gone back to mcr 17 :(
[LG Optimus 2x] xXZaufiXx:
Is the new nightly ready for daily use or should i stay at mcr 17 ?
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
Been running on my device for weeks - Still some small bugs reported by various users, but i have none on my device..
[LG Optimus 2x] dondavis007:
Confirmed, but you problably already know that.
[LG Optimus 2x] df9517:
Are your wifi working and reconnecting properly for real? What should I do? Wipe could help?

Only first time connecting to a network works.
[LG Optimus 2x] b3ndech0:
Got a lot of connecting / reconnecting errors too. Cant access some wlans at all. :(
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
Yes, and i found a fix, i downloaded the Lejay camera mod for cm7..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1094424
[LG Optimus 2x] fonsigno:
i have same problem with audio and recording video Hd :S:S:S:S:S:S nooo i use nightly 38 with baseband 1035.21_20110502
[LG Optimus 2x] rulzart:
Do I need to do full wipe etc. when going from KANG back to regular nightlies?
[LG Optimus 2x] r1si:
kang = regolar ... same mod don't need wipe :) ( only davlvik)
[LG Optimus 2x] dondavis007:
Thanks for the tip, the mod dont work for me somehow, After a time the camera will crach. Thanks anyway.
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
..build with some cherries :) http://goo.gl/JBqAX

Edit: feels very good!
[LG Optimus 2x] sibbor:
Thank you! Will download and enjoy it ;-)
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
What are cherries inside? Some details if possible...

and is new kernel included, one which are nightlies #38 +
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
included:

-kernel

-statusbar brightness

-Gallery3D for pinch-to-zoom

-RIL subclass..

-ergonomic time picker
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
thanks.... downloaded

EDIT: all you added just got merged :D.... so you knew it, they were perfect to use
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
:D:D been lucky
[LG Optimus 2x] mariusdroid:
Thx for all your good no no superb worck
[LG Optimus 2x] cedb62:
I have a problem at night when I put my phone to charge, I must remove the battery in the morning because he was off and not turn over with the power button.

Is it related to Cyanogen or so I installed another launcher (GO launcher)?
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
Search the thread before posting, this has been reported hundreds of times. But it is not rom related, it is.probably the baseband you use.. I am using 502 baseband and i never have this issue..
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
Rori, a racercar, Rori a star with class.. Argh, dont remember the rest of the tune lol..

Rori, your build is nice, you just need to include Lejay's camera mod, 720p original, in order to get the camcorder working again.. :-)
[LG Optimus 2x] Wickie87:
So what's the use of a 'RIL subclass' exactly? No need to flash a RIL for 502 anymore?

Googled it, but couldn't find an answer...
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
I never flashed the ril for 502, but i flash the 405 ril, and i have no issues using it.. 502 baseband + 405 ril..
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
here is the details of your RIL Subclass change. And yeah you will need to flash a RIL for 502.
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
Uploaded NEW kang upto changes
[LG Optimus 2x] Wickie87:
Yeah I already checked that out, but I can't say I got any wiser by reading it. ;)

But your reply answers my question, so thank you.
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
You beat me too it. Simply because I forgot to sync before building. What a monumental nobhead I am.
[LG Optimus 2x] dan_11:
nighly 39 is up
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
Buildbot beat us all, build #39 is up.
[LG Optimus 2x] traxxus:
Flashed #39, no problems so far.
[LG Optimus 2x] MPodlesnik:
+1 ... :) will test gps later.
[LG Optimus 2x] Sckank:
Really? :-$
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
They will come :D
[LG Optimus 2x] aMpeX:
they jinx it everytime :D
[LG Optimus 2x] xgeneralex:
Sorry but I had to quote you! ahahah
[LG Optimus 2x] temasek:
My KANG was earlier than yours and build 39 which includes those updates. :p
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
Yeah but you get up earlier than us ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] temasek:
Hehe true. :)
[LG Optimus 2x] amniberlin:
Hi everyone, maybe someome can help me ^^

I flashed CM #37 yesterday and tried with Baseband 502. Result was no in-call-sound. I was able to call out, but I heard no sound. Same with 405 and 218 (?). Originial LG-Android works, but I really like to have CM :D

Help, anyone?
[LG Optimus 2x] katun79:
+1 :D

No problems 'till now :)

Tested gps with 4sq, and It finds me in a second!
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
hmm..steve´s webkit commits sound interesting..gonna try them
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
I was trying to solve translation problems in framework and in CMParts, so was late :(...

didnt you get any compile build failures with the translations. Read here, and also my comments on there :D

Update Russian translation. Connected to hid device apps/Settings

Updated polish translation Framework/base

Updated polish translation CMParts
[LG Optimus 2x] Nandiee:
Browser still freezing in #39?
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
?? :) which languages do you speak ?

Sent from my Premium Xx
[LG Optimus 2x] wapz:
that's the question :-)
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
will it make our browser as fast as hardware accelerated samsung thing

I speak only english, but I was trying to save us all from build failures
[LG Optimus 2x] temasek:
Yeah my first compile was a failure. I did a 2nd one which was good.

Omg....

How many languages u speak ? Damn u are good.
[LG Optimus 2x] unfnknblvbl:
OK, I have a massive problem with b39 - the automatic timezone setting is wrong. Right now, my phone thinks it's 6 o'clock tomorrow morning. Awesome.
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
-Even faster :)

-ah, wasn't aware of build failures..

Sent from my Premium Xx
[LG Optimus 2x] Tommmii:
after #39 my time jumped forward 2hours.

It's back to the future?
[LG Optimus 2x] temasek:
It started failing about 45 min after your KANG this morning. So I went to library with my daughter. Can't back and it works again.
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
see my post with links. and check change, you will notice problems. they are transparent, also commented in changed file to highlight where they are.
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
I am stubborn guy, if my compile fails I try to find why, and keep on trying until I fix it

edit: language doesn't matter I would try on chinese or japanese too
[LG Optimus 2x] temasek:
Hehe. Time not enough. Now children school holidays.

How I wish one day = 30 hrs.
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
rori - Where is the link for your #39 Kang ? :D
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
hmm..somewhere in my last tweets..but just building a new one with some webkit commits..
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
Hurry, im almost cracking up here :D
[LG Optimus 2x] xgeneralex:
No browser freezing for me...lucky? :)
[LG Optimus 2x] traxxus:
Same here. Browser is fast in #39
[LG Optimus 2x] katun79:
+1 here! :D

No freeze with Dolphin mini, and It's SO fast!!!
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
Suspect it's not going to be able to improve on the lovely smooth scrolling though ;)

Damn you Google, sort out some proper acceleration :D

EDIT: keep an eye on the browser freeze, it seems to manifest more the longer the phone has been up.
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
hmm...probably collecting some garbage
[LG Optimus 2x] joelteixeira:
Using #39 for one hour now and looks great so far.

(Still FC on startup of Asphalt 6 and Modern Combat)
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
I am lucky STUDENT, not married yet so no problems
[LG Optimus 2x] RageO:
As i tested it, lag was there from the moment the phone slept for 30 seconds.
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
cherry picked some webkit commits ... http://goo.gl/3k8jt
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
Would be rude not to give it a try...
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
..I included all Steve´s open commits..
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
Browser seems fast, but then it's 10 seconds after bootup... will have to see what it's like at 20:00 or so tonight ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
that´s like love :) ..in the beginning all is just wonderful!..
[LG Optimus 2x] RageO:
Put your phone some minutes to sleep, if it's still fast (and no music stuttering in combination with it) then we have a breakthrough :)
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
when should this stuttering start? - dont have that (speaker nor headset)
[LG Optimus 2x] wapz:
what kernel version does it have, still 2.6.32.40? and, does the music still stutter while playing with the phone?
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
- 2.6.32.41
[LG Optimus 2x] sanfran:
Wow

.. build 39 feels completely different, in a positive way :-)

Browser is very smooth now (Opera mobile) and now slow downs at all (so far) -

music player at the same time and I could not reproduce shuttering of the sound during web browsing... really amazing :-)

I hope it stays like this!
[LG Optimus 2x] RageO:
As i tested it, everything went fine and smooth as long the screen was turned on (so you boot and you use it immediately), no matter if you browsed for 5 minutes or 45. But from the moment the screen went of and i started browsing again later lag and stuttering was my part. If you have it, you can't miss it, you're music freaks out when loading a website (especially non-mobile sites), the browser loading icon freezes plenty of times, the browser itself also freezes,... I used the latest kang before the build bot was up again icm 502 baseband (218 same behaviour). Now i'm back to froyo because i use the browser a lot...
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
OK, it's been asleep for 20mins or so. Currently blasting out Layla and browsing. No stutters from either browser or music player.

Still not calling it 'til this evening though ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] ermacwins:
Guys anyone notice the audio is too loud when speaking on the phone? This os with it set to lowest volume
[LG Optimus 2x] wapz:
CM7 is suddenly back on my interest list. keep providing feedback and if it's ok I will flash tonight!
[LG Optimus 2x] Unimatrix-zero:
same here! +1
[LG Optimus 2x] sanfran:
Which baseband you are using? I am on 502 and sound quality during phone

calls is perfect!

I had the same problems as you described before, when I use baseband 218..

BR Robert
[LG Optimus 2x] NL_B:
Running #39 for couple of hours now. Seems smooth, no FC yet. Opera Mobile works pretty smooth, no lag.. (yet).
[LG Optimus 2x] .:george:.:
This seems interesting :)

Anyone please report if problem with edges of the touch screen is solved and the sound doesn't come off after some time until reboot, I'd really appreciate it! :D
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
The edges of the screen are still no go I'm afraid.

On the plus side, Stupid Zombies just loaded instanly, if it still does that this evening we're onto a winner.
[LG Optimus 2x] machtwerk:
First thing after flashing #39 was an SOD. Everything else working splendidly so far :)

Phone quality is not so good here, far too lound using baseband 218. But will do.

What exactly does this Gallery 3D Multitouch update thingy do? Haven't noticed any difference. :confused:
[LG Optimus 2x] BritSwedeGuy:
It's fine for me too - no more waiting for that Feint nonsense.
[LG Optimus 2x] destilant:
Flashed #39 this morning and i have to say it runs quite better, you can listen music while downloading at the market or surfing with the browser without stuttering or freezing...

the browser performance is still not good, but no freezing at all, we will see ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] salvatore94:
I had the lastest rori's kang with 405 baseband & ril. For now I didn't notice any bug/crash/freeze

Maybe I will try the 502 baseband, as the 405 has a bad in call audy quality.....

But I think that this is the right way...... In the next releases CM7 could be very stable and ready for daily usage.

My only problem with CM is the real bad battery life. I could only get 1 day of battery life.......
[LG Optimus 2x] hd2000:
Sorry but I have a stupid noob question.

Do different roms come with different basebands?

If I update from stock to CM7 will baseband be changed? Thanx :-)
[LG Optimus 2x] sacredsoul:
Nope. The baseband will remain unless you flash it on your own and this will wipe your phone.
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
No baseband is completely separate.
[LG Optimus 2x] traxxus:
And again: baseband flashing WIPE your device!
[LG Optimus 2x] joelteixeira:
Sorry I didn't understood well, Asphalt 6 it's running on your device?

For me, when I click on the icon, It just shows a FC message fast and nothing more. If I download the data, it will open and verify the downloaded files and then, FC again.

It's the same for Modern Combat.
[LG Optimus 2x] sacredsoul:
Your sig looks vaguely familiar :p
[LG Optimus 2x] yongwk:
a quick question,

Currently i'm using Paul's FR18B, Do i need to convert my filesystem back to EXT3 before flashing CM7?

(Paul is using EXT4)
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
No you don't, it will deal with it for you.
[LG Optimus 2x] destilant:
I experienced that this step is not necessary if you are flashing from mcr fr1x to cm7...i just flashed from mcr11 to cm7 #38 this morning, no converting to ext3...

just do a full wipe, install cm7 + gapps and reboot ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] magicmarkus:
wich kernelversion is it in new cm version?
[LG Optimus 2x] yongwk:
Thank you :)
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
2.6.32.41 still
[LG Optimus 2x] ermacwins:
So are there still freezes that need battery pull?
[LG Optimus 2x] joelteixeira:
Well, it's not just similar... it's almost the same. (i changed the carrier) =]
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
And again... this is looking promising.
[LG Optimus 2x] aMpeX:
Just try and pinch zoom on one of the image piles and you will see ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] machtwerk:
I had one just after flashing. But that has been all, now after almost 6h.

Those pictures flipping from one finger to the other? That was working before o.O
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
Probably was, but on devices with a crappy digitizer (Desire, N1 etc) it was pretty hard to control... I suspect it isn't anymore.
[LG Optimus 2x] Acti666:
I was thinking about switching back to modaco but then i flashed build 39, haven't had any lockups or browser laggs yet!
[LG Optimus 2x] narsyl:
6h and still nothing :D
[LG Optimus 2x] magicmarkus:
i use your keng, rom as backround for my testrom.

all works but the cam don't work. for me. no video recording after second start and then the cam won't start. no connection to cam.
[LG Optimus 2x] MPodlesnik:
Have one problem...GPS dont lock and find the satellite ? when i run the GPS fix from rom manager is fine, but do i have everytime when i upgrade the new nightly version run the gps fix ? Strange :(
[LG Optimus 2x] BritSwedeGuy:
39

Intermittent loss of sound, phone shut down after finishing a call.
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
No browser freeze as yet.
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
cam works fine here...
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
he meant video recording
[LG Optimus 2x] rori~:
Yeah, works fine..

Sent from my Premium Xx
[LG Optimus 2x] RageO:
Happy to confirm! Now cm7 is 101% usable for me :D
[LG Optimus 2x] NL_B:
Yes, you need to flash it in every update because the gps.conf is overwritten when you updated the rom. The easiest way to prevent this is to create update ignore list. You can find it how in several pages back in this thread, temasek wrote something about it.
[LG Optimus 2x] Ph4nt0m_:
I don't know how the GPS was in previous builds but in #39 is useless for me. It was working perfect on stock and Modaco FR18b ROM, but now it doesn't work at all. I manage to get it to lock with GPS fix, but that is all. I tried to track my workout today but it stoped working after 60 meters. I tried again and it stopped after 40 meters. Anyone else having problems with GPS?

I am using Runtastic GPS Coach and have 218 Baseband (the same as on stock and Modaco).
[LG Optimus 2x] jovienc:
Hi, I'd like to thank everyone who had made the kangs when the robot was off :-)

By the way, is your ON screen animation working ? Mine doesn't, only the OFF one (when I lock the phone). I've tried to desactivate all the animations in settings, and reactivate again, no effects.
[LG Optimus 2x] BritSwedeGuy:
Preserving your GPS fix

I think this is what you're after...
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
This is the best my phone has been for ages :D
[LG Optimus 2x] Korumera:
Yeah, can canfirm it works really well now, have been using .39 since this morning and no problems whatsoever. No Music stutter, browser works fine.
[LG Optimus 2x] ionhide:
Use root explorer, navigate to system/etc/gps.conf. Edit with your country code in the top, and change the supl to nokia, and change the code to end on 75 instead of 76.

Download GPS Status from market, use it and you get instant lock..
[LG Optimus 2x] RageO:
This build really made my day :)! One minor issue (not sure if it's an issue or me doing something wrong though): wifi is always on and active with sleep policy set on 'when screen is of'.

Edit: Does switch to mobile network, but apparently it takes a long time of stand-by before doing so. Can we users change this somehow?
[LG Optimus 2x] tingen:
Can you give an more specific description?
[LG Optimus 2x] grognaz:
how do you know what adress to use for the country?
[LG Optimus 2x] fonsigno:
when creating a video and zoom the phone freezes and the audio is not working. these with baseband 0405 and 0502 :S
[LG Optimus 2x] pa.pn2:
sry wrong link^^
[LG Optimus 2x] vitaminxero:
It appears my network thinks I'm in Mountain Timezone Region (I'm in Pacific) ... AND it thinks it's 7 hours earlier than it should be lol.
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
uploaded new KANG with lots of cherries.... specially for speed and web.

see signature for changes and download link
[LG Optimus 2x] sanfran:
sorry... just found the right link ;-)

thx
[LG Optimus 2x] grognaz:
#39 my clock is 2hours ahead:/ seems I'm not the only one with that problem.

I also tried to get a gps fix under clear sky. The phone had about 7 satelites steady for 5or more minutes before it got a fix. Not sure why this is so slow.. I installed faster fix and will try it to get a fix at the same place tomorrow to see if that really helps.
[LG Optimus 2x] vitaminxero:
Acree seems to be aware of the timezone problem. Perhaps he'll figure it out soon!
[LG Optimus 2x] erestor6:
Sorry for the OT but there are important news about MIUI port

A Donation thread (to buy a LG O2X to MIUI TEAM) is OFFICIALLY open:

[DONATION THREAD]-[LG OPTIMUS 2X]

PLEASE DONATE DONATE DONATE
[LG Optimus 2x] MPodlesnik:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1066933

fix for the GPS

Just edit the gps.conf with root explorer, example

NTP_SERVER=si.pool.ntp.org

XTRA_SERVER_1=http://xtra1.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin

XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin

XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin

SUPL_HOST=supl.nokia.com

SUPL_PORT=7275

This is for my country, others NTP_SERVERS can be found at ;

http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/europe
[LG Optimus 2x] RageO:
Where can i see which 'cherry picks' are available. They are not posted here, are they?
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
cherry pics are in my signatures, they are on review.cyanogenmod.com

not in the link you have, its on git changelog
[LG Optimus 2x] grognaz:
Wohoo thanks a lot for that link, will see if I can do it right:o

The file needs to be changed when flashing a new rom?
[LG Optimus 2x] RageO:
Thanks! Are browser optimizations also relevant for non-stock browsers?
[LG Optimus 2x] narsyl:
So far no problem at all. Using since end of morning. Thanks CM7 :D
[LG Optimus 2x] JJnJ:
i think so yes, just like any other patch/update because it will be overwritten by the new rom?
[LG Optimus 2x] ranrick:
CineX doesn't work proper. e.g. old Simpsons shows works great but the newer ones with better resolution got grafik errors. CM7.39 with vorkkernel
[LG Optimus 2x] Harsh:
I dont know exactly.......

WEBKIT is implemented in google chrome, and google browser and Chromebook. So i guess it wont be in other browsers.
[LG Optimus 2x] svceon:
Is it me or everyone's enjoying nightly 39 a lot? Its freaking awesome, and I've been using CM on O2X since build 1, best one right here so far
[LG Optimus 2x] Mertoglu:
When will be the first non-nightly release of CM?

Sent from my LG-P990
[LG Optimus 2x] svceon:
After this one it can't be too far off, but no ETA's