yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Has anyone ever ported a sense launcher ontop of a gaosp rom? I would think the framework alone makes it terribly impossible

Also

"So, porting Sense. Well, this isn't going to be a real HTC tab. Live with it. But it IS real Sense. Taken from a HTC Flyer dump. But, not a real sense ROM. It is CM7!!" worst English ever. Not to mention the parts in bold.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
We might work on it some other day. My friend pndo1's dad has a gtab so we might.
[Nook Color Android Development] racks11479:
LOL. Sorry, thought that was hilarious the way you said it. :p

But I'm all for anything Nook Color. So looking forward to seeing what you guys got for us! :D

-Racks
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
??? CM7 is a GAOSP rom so you're working on it now aren't you?
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Yeah, I guess we are.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
@pndo1, i'm all the way with you.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Read the post I quoted
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Also, to all of those "i don't buy it" peoples, how legit does this look:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=13127177

BTW, I made it.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Lets even say the nook is unbrickable. That gives you even more incentive to test it out yourself. Beta testers are there to find bugs for you to squash not to see if the main feature you are trying to implement is working. Beta testers are not going to be able to help you figure out how to get it to work. They are just going to tell you the same thing that you would notice if you took two seconds to test it yourself. Considering how long it has taken your beta testers to get your releases this adds a huge amount of time to the process that is only added because you are either to lazy or scared to test it yourself. So be a 12 year old and get it done by yourself because you will learn more and faster
[Nook Color Android Development] jsmith8858:
What exactly did you make?
[Nook Color Android Development] msgnyc:
Didn't you read his post?

"It"

He made "It"

;)
[Nook Color Android Development] RileyGrant:
Like I said, the nook can be bricked. The fact that your devving and don't realize how software can ddamage hardware is what scares me.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Well, sorry if I didn't say this earlier, but pndo1 is busy and my nook is broken! (I jammed the power button) I have to fix it. That's why.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
p.s. Riley, we acknowledge that we could brick the nook. So even the beta testers got it second. Pndo1 tried it first.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
So you test it and know that nothing works and still release it? What's the point in that?
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
To show progress. If HTC said "we are making a phone" and make people wait a year, it wouldn't b fun, right? But if half way through the year HTC said "yeah, we are still working, but we managed to jam in an LTE radio" people would stay interested and follow through the final release. and hey, at least it flashes and teeter works.
[Nook Color Android Development] jimgpayne:
No. You didn't make anything. All you did was tell people about a skin for a third party launcher.

After reading this thread; it is blatantly obvious to everyone that you really do not know what you are doing.

Every time someone questions your work, you point them at threads that discuss *other peoples* work.

The only thing you've actually done is post a file that you know doesn't work.

There's no need to continually point out to everyone that you are only 11 years old. No one would mistake your work for anything other than the work of children.

But please don't stop trying. You may actually learn something in the process.

And your posts are good counterpoint/entertainment for the real developer posts here on XDA.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Hey hey. We are trying. And I made the guide, and if you thing we are experienced ROM devs, then you are wrong. We are not as smart as phiredrop and CyanogenMod are. And even though you don't like me saying it, yes, I don't think 11 year olds can release a product in a) a short time and b) perfectly. I think this is the dude you are looking for:

http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=2326036

And we do know what we are doing.
[Nook Color Android Development] jimgpayne:
:confused::confused:Huh????:confused::confused:

Who said anything about looking for someone???
[Nook Color Android Development] jlt220:
Here is what you two need to do, Go silent for a bit, get some work done. And when something actually works post some screens, maybe a video. No one will lose interest in this if it is for real. Yet right now you are just stirring crap up by posting stuff that does not work. There will always be interest in Sense UI on the Nook, you don't need to keep posting non working RC alpa releases with beta testers or whatever you call them. HTC when making something brand new rarely makes noise until they know what they are doing and how to do it.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Fine. We will shut up for a bit.
[Nook Color Android Development] jlt220:
I'm not trying to tell you to shut up. Just as you make progress maybe let people know what you have done, how you are doing, but keep the releases to a minimum until stuff works that's all. As young as you are mistakes are expected, as they are for anyone developing, take the criticism and improve. If you are as good as you say everyone will eat their words and love the work you do.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Alright. Good advice. Sorry for being stupid. :(
[Nook Color Android Development] luciferii:
all phiredrop does is theme things.. he doesnt do any real hardcore programming of his own (atleast that ive seen) if youre saying not that smart what makes you assume you can reprogram extemely complex pieces of software? if you can, all we ask is that you show us in some way other than the confusing mumbo jumbo crap youve given us thus far
[Nook Color Android Development] lafester:
I think its time we shut this down for a little bit and clean it up.

Start fresh another day.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
bumped cause we have new info.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Really???? Didn't you say you were going to stay dormant until you knew what you were doing? Why hype crap that you don't know anything about. You should really put in the topic "Dream" because seriously that is the stage it's in right now. You got nothing working and you have no skills to get anything done. Please stop making stuff up PLEASE!

Ok, I admit what I posted above might be a little bit over the top but I'm just seriously annoyed. Instead of running a topic and trying to make it seem like you got the stuff down and you will have it done in 2 days like it's super simple even after being told it's not that simple is getting frustrating to deal with. Just because you have the flyer doesn't mean you will get anything done on the nook. It's pointless to the equation. If you want help go in the Q&A section and ask for help. This is just an attempt to make yourselves look cool and smart when it's doing the exact opposite.
[Nook Color Android Development] lafester:
I'm surprised my post kept this thread quiet for 2 weeks :)

(and got thanked 9 times lol).

Anyway thanks for the update.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Yes, your post did cause this, lafester. Your welcome.

psychoace, it says in the title, WIP. Work in Progress, FYI.

If your not gonna help but keep criticizing us, then just ignore this thread. Why keep getting on our feet. We are WORKING on it. Before CM7 came out someone worked on it. And I bet you didn't make fun of them. Why us? 'Cause we are kids? It makes no difference. Be helpful, or back off.

And we have skills. How else did we hackintosh our own-built computers and root our nooks and run nightly builds of cm7 and download a flyer dump and push frameworks and apks and permission folders and know adb and know Visual Basic and a bit of java and have dads that working in big companies and have an account on xda and have jailbroken iPods and getting new phones and have so many mods for our Nooks and openiBoot on our iPod Touches and big 22' and 24' displays. Yeah, I think for 11 year olds, those are skills.

Unlike lafester, who has advice, you have nothing to do but sit around criticizing kids for not being able to make a full ROM of HTC Sense in a month without mistakes.

Back off.
[Nook Color Android Development] jaysckap:
There are step by step guides for most of those things. If you can't extract the system IMG you got a problem that you need to figure out. The things you said you did in the op don't really mean anything. when u got something that will boot with out instant fc then post it, until then I would keep working toward something

Sent from my badass tbolt rockin BAMF
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
I know. No downloads till it works. And the launcher is actually in the list and the apps are in the drawer
[Nook Color Android Development] getontarget:
You remind me of myself. It's all good, but don't go around on xda to brag about your achievements. Don't put you dad into it or about jailbreaking an ipod with expensive displays. You'll find that you're wasting your time, but good luck with htc sense cause it will not be easy at all...
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
None of those things you did required any skills. I have done most of those things and I have 0 programming skills. Having a dad that works for a big company, having "big" monitors and downloading roms are not skills. Also people that worked on it previously didn't post it in the development forum and also didn't post non working roms. They just posted in the apps forum and said they are working on it and tried to have a discussion with others in hopes of figuring out how to accomplish the goal. You keep posting non working roms and stating that you will be done in 2 days. You have an attitude like you are the best programmers in the world because no one has ever ported sense on top of a cm7 build and there are peoples with more years in programming then your 11 years of excistance. I was fine with you guys doing this in silent and trying to get it to work on your own but you didn't accomplish anything in that break.
[Nook Color Android Development] kookahdoo:
Happy birthday bro.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
@psycho Yes we did. We figured out problems. We do have skills, like Visual Basic and a bit of Java. Back off, I told you.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
@kookahdoo, thanks.

And guys, I put in the displays and stuff to show that we wouldn't get that stuff if we didn't like tech.

And truly, a wifi dump decompiled and we will be done very fast.
[Nook Color Android Development] Slack3r:
I tried to resist up until now but this is just too much... How does half of this even relate to android development?

Seriously though, you should just lock the thread until you have some real progress to post. You will gain a lot more respect that way. At the very least refrain from putting updates in the title when you haven't even released anything yet. I admire your determination, but I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourselves on this one.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
We have progress. We are almost done. We just need to decompile that image, push some stuff, edit a few smali files and done. You have the launcher and most of the apps.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
I'm just laughing at the "Your Welcome" bit. I will be laughing at it for the rest of the night.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Yes, I think people were happy when we shut up. But we are now almost done. I have to agree with you on this one. And that's a first.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Hey, pndo1 is gonna take a flyer dump (wifi) and we will be done soon.
[Nook Color Android Development] pndo1:
@PsychoAce

I will quote ikingblack here. "If you won't help, then back off." You seem like you are having real fun by pushing us around. I think you should just shove off until we have a real build, unless you want to have more fun F****** us. This is just plain old nasty. And I think we do have skills because we can actually attempt to do it instead of hanging around a forum waiting for a chance to have fun by flaming people. Really, I will do something nasty if I see another one of your posts out here in our thread. I really think your user name represents you. Psycho.
[Nook Color Android Development] jaysckap:
Take a pic of your nook with whatever you say you have running on it.

Sent from my badass tbolt rockin BAMF
[Nook Color Android Development] Colchiro:
If you don't like it, maybe you should simply ignore the topic.

Hate to see you blow a cork from what you read here. :D
[Nook Color Android Development] pndo1:
We DON'T have anything yet. How many times do me and ikingblack have to say that?
[Nook Color Android Development] ColdH33t:
OK I didn't read all 22 pages of this, and I for sure am no Android Dev but I am going into Computer Science and I am alright with Python. It's not oh hur lemme print Hello World and say I know the language.

But all that aside, wouldn't logic dictate that these kids are either A) Messing with people or B) Attempting something with only rudimentary, if any knowledge, of the actual system?

I'm not bashing their age at all. I've heard plenty of accounts that Sense is just not portable, but if someone finds a way to do it then who cares. Be they eleven or not.

But all things aside, we have 22 pages of nothing but empty promises and apparently 1 file with a boot animation. Can someone please either just debunk this or give it an ok? Will a real dev, please stand up?
[Nook Color Android Development] jaysckap:
But he said u have the launcher and most apps and u are almost done

Sent from my badass tbolt rockin BAMF
[Nook Color Android Development] marlonbr:
On linux you can mount the image like this:

mkdir mount_folder

mount -o loop system.img mount_folder

It will make the content of mount_folder be the content of system.img. Maybe that work on a mac.

Between, I use launcher pro on my nook with 8 columns and 8 rows and the Honeycomb theme, and it is really awesome this way.
[Nook Color Android Development] RileyGrant:
These apps dont fc cause theyre looking for a radio, if that were the case we would have no versions of Android to run at all, they fc because your completely lacking the Sense framework that is required for these elements to run. Im curious as to whether or not you know anything about the Android platform besides how to copy apks into the /system/app folder.
[Nook Color Android Development] indagroove:
This will never happen.

Thread closed.
[Nook Color Android Development] jaysckap:
Thank you

Sent from my badass tbolt rockin BAMF
[Nook Color Android Development] pndo1:
Please don't act like a moderator, as your not one. Please give us a chance. All of these people out there that say no, we actually do know our way around android.

Also, if I didn't know better, it sounds as if you hate me because you said my dual boot guide didn't work and yours is better, and now this.
[Nook Color Android Development] EGOvoruhk:
Because no one has gotten Sense to work on a non-Sense device, right? Oh wait, no, that's not right at all...
[Nook Color Android Development] racks11479:
Hey guys. Just want to drop a note of advice. You guys are here to learn and develop. You are the ones that started the thread about porting Sense over to the nook. As anyone that is willing to take on a challenge, you will face much criticism. Especially the way you guys are going about this. I'm trying to advise you, not to discourage you.

My advice is to keep doing what you're doing. And take the criticism as it is. And ignore all the naysayers. And when you have something working for us to test. Then post it. Till then, just do the work and post when it's ready.

An example would be Madcat's Honeycomb thread. He understood that there were still more work to be done, but he also didn't put out a non-working rom either. He put out something that we could all test out. He also stated the known issues and bugs, and asked the community to contribute if they can figure out the issues before he did.

I'm not just someone that didn't even try with you guys. I was one of you're beta-testers. And I did keep advising you and asking you with your releases, as to what should i be expecting to work and what shouldn't. What bugs, issues should I encounter. I even advised you on your CWM scripts. But you kept using the same script for the next release that you had.

Don't take things too personal either. If you do know what you're doing, as you say you do. Then just do it and prove everyone wrong. No need to respond to every single comment.

So as I stated above. Just keep working at it. And don't respond harshly to criticism. It is to be expected in an open forum. :)

Thanks,

Racks
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
I give you the only non htc phone with sense ui. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a-swBMfys8

This was 2 years ago. I have yet to see any phone other then an HTC get it since. This was done by re engineering the framework which takes a lot of skills. This wasnt a 2 night job.
[Nook Color Android Development] EGOvoruhk:
Really? Could have fooled me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq9AxqLF2Vw
[Nook Color Android Development] RileyGrant:
the nexus one and nexus s seem to be the only non htc devices ive seen that have had sense ported over and those projects were taunting challenges for even the most experienced devs, not to mention they are both google experience devices and bootloaders and what not are easier modified should need be.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Nexus 1 is an HTC phone and the Nexus S is a developer phone which makes it really easy to port anything since it's a lot more open source then other phones. Also we got to remember the op is not talking about porting a sense rom to the Nook. They are talking about making all the sense apps including the launcher work on GAOSP which has never been done.
[Nook Color Android Development] EGOvoruhk:
Do you people even bother researching before you just start saying things?

Here it is, running on a regular Samsung Galaxy: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1044637
[Nook Color Android Development] EGOvoruhk:
Ahahahahahahahahaha

*breath*

ahahahahahaha.... Pheeeeeeeeeeew!

I can't tell if you're serious or not
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Ok I was wrong. I still think the Nexus S since it's a developer phone makes it more available to such a hack and so it's easier to understand and the Galaxy S doesn't have a lot of features working so it's hard to say it's a successful port but it can be done. Again though we are not talking about porting a full rom we are talking about laying Sense apps on a GAOSP rom which has never been done.
[Nook Color Android Development] paleh0rse:
This thread delivers!

Seriously, I love these kids. :)

Keep up the good fight and never give up. Even if you fail, its worth every minute you'll spend trying. After all, you're 11... you have all the time in the world to master Android.

PS: ignore the naysayers and don't forget to have fun!
[Nook Color Android Development] jay_993:
Jusssttt had ta mention... Nexus S Sense port originates from Galaxy S Sense port :p
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Damn it stop busting my balls :). Ok I will shut up but I just wanted to state that I will get the last laugh in this. I don't see how anyone can see what they list as "experience" and figure this is going to go anywhere especially since they are doing something no one else has done which is port sense on top of cm7
[Nook Color Android Development] joenathane:
Reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
I'm back from my concert and I have to say this:

This will work. These ONLY FC because of radio. the Frameworks are on there. Just stop. We are working.
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Someone backup the internet, I'm about to reboot.
[Nook Color Android Development] jaysckap:
The nexus 1 is a developer phone too

Sent from my badass tbolt rockin BAMF
[Nook Color Android Development] psychoace:
Yeah I know but since it's an HTC phone the developer part doesn't really matter since it's been shown to be easy to port sense to a lot of htc phones that might not have sense or at least stock sense.
[Nook Color Android Development] I Am Marino:
Can't wait to see screenshots.

and btw, if nothing else, just getting the HTC clock widget working on here would be sweet, not all the extra crap that some HTC stuff has.
[Nook Color Android Development] indagroove:
No, because sense requires a sense framework, which cm7 does not have. Sure sense in the book may be possibke, but not on a cm7 framework.
[Nook Color Android Development] indagroove:
Why would I hate you? Your guide was flawed, but you said it was "correct". I just gave a more correct guide, that's all. Don't get your panties all in a bunch about it, umkay?
[Nook Color Android Development] jimgpayne:
Sounds more like spoiled little rich kids then actual IT skills....
[Nook Color Android Development] jimgpayne:
Wow.... Did you just openly threaten someone here on XDA???????:eek:
[Nook Color Android Development] l0m31n:
great troll thread. :D
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
I'm back again, and ignoring everything else, here is what I'm gonna say:

If you are interested, stick around and don't be a psycho. If you want to be a psycho, go find somebody else to annoy. Pndo1 is absolutely right. Stop it. And for the ETA, here it is:

As soon as the system.img is decompiled, there will be 1-2 days left.

The system.img will take 3-4 days to decompile.

so there are mx 6 days left. Maybe. If we get held up, then more.
[Nook Color Android Development] Kohr-Ah:
If you do like everyone is asking I am sure they'd get off your back. Just post a screen shot or a picture of your nook running what you have so far and they would leave you be. They want proof not just words.

Otherwise it is like having script kiddies claiming they are hackers. Anyone can jailbreak an ipod, root a phone, root a nook, etc because there are step by step guides, scripts, and apps already written by other devs to do so. My wife rooted her mtslide and she isn't technical at all.

But if you just post a pic of your nook running what you are claiming is working then I guarentee they will lay off you a bit while you work.

Age isn't the reason they are picking on you. Words with no proof is.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
Alright. Screenshots coming. Hold on a sec.
[Nook Color Android Development] AidenM:
1 screenie up.
[Nook Color Android Development] Tarpit_Carnivore:
I thought the flyer was running Sense 2.1, not 3.0
[Nook Color Android Development] deolarte:
how does this screenie prove anything, it can be a modified task bar, or froyo. :/
[Nook Color Android Development] Tarpit_Carnivore:
This does nothing to show sense is running on your device. It's a selection of live wallpapers, many of which you could have pulled APK's from various phone dumps. Further, the method of choosing wallpapers in Sense 2.1 (which is what is running on the flyer) is different than what is shown in the screenshot.

Additionally, the icon for Mail is not a sense icon but rather the default icon for Gingerbread based roms.
[Nook Color Android Development] I Am Marino:
Why is everyone in this thread so hostile? I haven't decided to read back on the thread but I don't get it.
[Nook Color Android Development] mr_fosi:
I wouldn't call it "hostility", but rather "incredulity".

Fantastic claims have been made by the (potential) devs who started this thread, but to date no proof has been offered to substantiate the claims.