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[Windows Phone 7 General] slimshady322:
I guess WP7 still has a lot of high quality apps in comparison to iPhone and Android.

iPhone has of course more apps, but they also have way more crap apps, for example the "lite" versions. This also increased their number of apps because for iOS there are 2 verions (lite and pro) of many apps whereas in WP7 many apps offer a demo and only get counted once. I'm not saying that WP7 has better apps, but the average quality is probably higher.

Android has of course no one regulating the Marketplace at all (or almost). This means all kinds of crazy and senseless apps or wallpapers etc. can be uploaded and ruin the marketplace.

EDIT: BTW now there are over 15,500 apps in the marketplace. If I am not mistaken neither iOS nor Android had such growth rates in the beginning.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
Well there are no pro audio apps on wp7 and will not be before mango. The api's dont cut it at the moment. It will become much much better, and the quality can go up when the new api's drop and the apps can start to compare to IOS or outclass them. But we will all need mango first.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Just because Windows Phone 7 is hot... And I think this baby just rising it temperature and range everyday!

But Agree one thing, Microsoft should consider about "cleaning" the Marketplace a little bit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Can you make some better ones?:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
15.000 apps:

7.500 tip calculators

4.500 stopwatch

2.950 timers

50 other BS apps

....

0 Google Maps

0 Turn by Turn navigation app

0 Swype or other alternative keyboard

Great

(just kidding... But to me the most important apps, notably turn to turn, are definitely missing)
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
One thing I am well qualified to comment on and have clearly experienced is the games on each system. I find myself playing WP7 games much more than iOS or Android games. Currently iOS has the best racing games. Real Racing 1 & 2 are so much like Gran Turismo on the Playstation and just complete super high quality. But WP7 has the best all-around games. If it wasn't for Angry Birds on Android, I would hardly be playing any games on it. The best racer for WP7 that I've seen is Need for Speed: Undercover.

MS can do WP7 a favor by continuing to dev more and more XBOX titles to WP7. Most of the games I play on WP7 are in the XBOX Live category. I hate online gaming, but they don't require being online to play. I just play them normally.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ziko:
???? HOW, without Mango, full file access......????

and the 15.000 apps are only cheap, crapy peace of worthless soft, writen in less than half of hour, but a gigantic hope to make at least one BILLION dollars with it.

Thats the truth about Windows Phone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Yup. Every single one of them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slimshady322:
There are some really nice and high quality apps on the marketplace.

Of course, there are many ****ty apps but like I said earlier, the average quality and the good app to bad app ratio in Windows Phone Marketplace is higher than in iTunes app store and way way higher than for Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
There is turn by turn.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slimshady322:
And there is Google Maps. Alternative Keyboards are not permitted (which i don't think is a Bad idea) so of course there are None on the marketplace.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Yeah, but we don't have any good IM app, we don't have Kik, WhatsApp, Pingchat, Skype, MSN, GTalk. Yeah yeah, we have "Messenger by Myowa". Wow! A platform made by Microsoft, announced one year ago, that took 3 years to be "ready" to chase iPhone, and no one inside MS thought about doing a crap but oficial client. Just like Facebook. Crap. But oficial. That matters.

Flory do the work. But not the homework. Kik is coming. Skype.. well.. let's talk about this 6 months from now. WhatsApp just after new API.

And before I buy WP7 I asked here if it was worth it. Everyone said "oh, we have few apps, but good apps." "we don't have quantity, but we do have quality".

Am I missing anything?

Because I don't see any really good app here. Every single one that I tried takes forever to load and refresh, and it is laggy. And yes, I'm at NoDo. Wich really give a boost to all apps.

I'll stop here. And I'll not even talk about Push Notifications, because that will make I have a heart attack.

But, indeed, even with all this problems.. I love it. It WILL BE the best mobile OS soon, with Mango. Right now, it's just a baby.
[Windows Phone 7 General] stylopath:
Fim for Facebook chat

Jabbertalk for Jabber/ICQ/MSN/FacebookChat

Messenger by Myowa for MSN

All of them work as they should, including push and tile notifications - I don't know what's supposed to be missing (Except a real ICQ client).

But hey, maybe i'm not using Instant messaging right - i'm just sending and receiving text messages - What else would you expect an im client to do?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
I want them to be fast, and reliable. I spent 2 hours testing the hell of my push notifications with Flory. I wasn't receiving nothing when it comes about push. Just when i opened the app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
The first real instant messaging app, IM+, should be coming fairly soon.

That said, there are big apps that we had on day one that still aren't really available on Android, Netflix for instance...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If sideloading was possible I'd probably have already made some better ones. Other platforms are more friendly to developers, even if the development environment isn't as good. Concessions have to be made :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, but there are about 75k (being generous, to you, probably more like 150k decent apps/games there from what I've seen) of them, and that's an order of magnitude more than WP7 has at the moment.

I agree that lots of the stuff is overpriced. People are taking advantage of the fact that there aren't that many decent apps on the platform at the moment.

There's also a lot of crap. Meh. Can care less. I have only brought 1 WP7 app (Board Express), and I won't make that mistake anymore...

People are still pricing WP7 apps like BB/WM apps, and delivering worse quality on top of that.

I'm so over dealing with loading screens, black screens, and crashes... Over it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No there isn't. A-to-B is worthless and only works for like 20% of people.

It mind as well not exist.

Android has Google Navigation and there is MapQuest for free.

No one cares about TeleNav. Not gonna pay $9.99 a month for that when I can buy a perfect Offline GPS system for < $100, or just use another phone (Andorid/WM6.5/Symbian) and get it for free...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
You're wrong. That there isn't any turn by turn navigation app on the US marketplace doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't any overall. I for one use Navi Ninasus which is available at least on the German marketplace (for about 4.50 €). It may be not as good as google maps turn by turn navigation on Android, but it works pretty well. Gotta admit that I'm still waiting for the end of summer when Navigon will release their offline WP7 client after their contract with T-Mobile ran out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Ovi Maps is coming folks. I know everything on Earth is expected right away, but even if Bing worked in the US, it wouldn't give turn by turn everywhere. Ovi Maps is going to be huge, and is better than Google Maps imo.

And to those who do nothing but complain, why are you using wp7 still? There ARE high quality apps in the marketplace, but of coarse it will probably get a lot better come Mango, since they are releasing MANY of the needed API's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I expect it to not crash, have consistent push notifications without limitations (third party apps have a limit on the number of push notifications they can recieve which makes them useless for heavy communicators). I expect it to not take forever and a day to load. Messenger by Miyowa constantly disconnects in the background. It's useless.

Can care less about all those other clients. I don't have 50 different chat accounts and I just went through hoops and bounds to get AOL to close my AIM account (which they generally don't do, but I pressed the issue). Microsoft already integrates with Facebook and Yahoo. All we need is a decent WLM and it will cover pretty much everyone out there... Google talk is so bad even on Android that it's not worth using as a main IM (no file transfer and the chat client itself is pretty bad).

I expect it to have a look and feel that blends in with WP7. I expect File Transfer. Sorry, sky blue looks like ****. It only has to look like the stock SMS client, with functionality tacked on.

I expect integration with People Hub so that I don't have to open an app to see if a friend is online. Presence info, I mean. A live tile that works all the time.

I expect to not have to create yet another account to use an IM application (i.e. Flory, Kik, etc.).

I expect their Statuses to aggregate in People Hub, etc.

MSN Group Chat...

The IM app needs to fully multitask (i.e. like a Stock App - Zune, IE, etc.).

Because of the way WP7 is restricted, only Microsoft can deliver this. Part of the reason why they can get these iOS apps out is simply because iOS is better for development than WP7 is at the moment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Ovi on Symbian: Free

Google Navigation and MapQuest on Android: Free

Bing on WM 6.5 (Voice-Guided): Free

That's my point.

There is TeleNav on the market here. I know some exist, but thsoe that exist are either too expensive (to be honest, anything more than free is too expensive at the moment, Navigation is a commodity feature on smartphones these days thanks to Google) or only available on certain carrier/in certain markets.

The thing I took offense to was the other poster mentioning AtoB, which is as close to useless as it can get. The thing shows me on the other side of the country. It's that bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I have smartphones. I use WP7 because it's a decent media player. I don't tend to use it for anything else. First few weeks it was decent, but after the shiny wore off I realize that it's nothing more than a glorified feature phone OS atm.

Mango is still 6 months away. I wish people would stop using it as a crutch.

What's coming in 6 months doesn't make the OS any less useless NOW than it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
You're the first and only person to mention AtoB in this thread.

Fwiw, A to B isn't available in marketplace any more
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Its not a crutch. Its a fact. You couldn't possibly have expected that wp7 would have everything mature platforms did right away. It just gets tiresome. Many of the things people are *****ing about are coming in Mango/with Nokia, yet they can't stop *****ing. Those who don't enjoy it, or can't wait 6 months, go use something else until then.

And even though your post sparked my response, I'm talking in generalities about the seemingly high amount of people who use the platform, yet continuously post about how bad it is. Especially when they complain about things that are imminent.

*edited grammatical error :o *
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It's a crutch.

When someone walks into a carrier store to make a decision, they won't be making a decision based on what some update in 6 months will bring to the phone.

They will be making the decision based on how useful the OS is NOW, and it isn't really that useful compared to iOS and Andorid, or Symbian, or even Windows Mobile right now.

Mentioning Mango is a crutch. 6 months is a long time to wait for an update that will won't deal with most of the issue with the platform (esp when it comes to services integration i.e. Windows Live Messenger, etc.).

It's not my fault the Windows Live Team worked on an iOS Messenger and OneNote client instead of getting WLM on WP7. That's Microsoft's fault. Don't cry to me about my observations. Cry to Microsoft they they left the door wide open for such observations. Not having native apps for your own services, when you have locked the platform down so tight that decent alternatives aren't even possible to bring to said platform, is idiotic.

And I mentioned A-to-B because someone said it was available, and that's teh only thing even close to free Navigation that was available in the marketplace. WAS, because it's not there anymore...

You can't compare a subscription TeleNav with a Free Bing/Ovi/Google Maps with TBT Navigation on WM 6.5/Symbian/Android. To do that is stupid.

If you're in the mood to spend money, you're better off just going with Android, getting Nav for free, and just paying for Tethering on your data plan :P

Not to mention $9.99/mo almost pays for an All-You-Can-Eat subscription music plan...
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Nobody said anything about A to B but you. You're arguing with yourself
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Funny right?

That is what is gotten when a point needs to be proven. Terrible generalization. Can't get anything done. Useless and worthless.

The only zero is their credibility and objectivity. You would believe this is politics the way people carry on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Munkeyphyst, why bother?

There are no turn by turn apps.

Yes there are and here are two examples...

Those are expensive and crap.

Hence there are no turn by turn app.

Make sense to you? If so, then hopefully you can explain it to me. And when in doubt just switch the topic to something else, preferably something that you brought up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Ah-ha! thank you for bringing me to the light. I see the error of my ways, I was expecting logic. Thanks again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
That is what happens when people have an agenda.

Every app repository has its share of fart apps.

Some of the apps are good. Some are not. Android is in the app race too. Android has its share of craptacular apps and malware.

15,000 apps is significant. Don't care how they got they, how many people they paid, or how many fart apps are on there. And I say this knowing they do not have the apps I want now (Skype and Whatsapp). And with 1500 APIs opening up they will get where they need to be fast. I can wait. In the meanwhile I do appreciate the work the devs are doing getting their product out in a difficult marketplace.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 4silvertooth:
150000 apps and 15000 viruses coming our way and 150 antivirus apps to clean them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jogabonitos:
Nice number but people say that there are many copies one of another so we have about 3-4 copy of the the same app
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Just like every other mobile OS market out there... ya wanna count the number of fart apps available for iOS ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
At least they don't have JUST fart apps. They have tons of options of everything. We have no options at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You are being dramatic. You have limited options. But what did you expect? If you need apps and can wait then better things are on the horizon. If not...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
The options currently available are more than enough for my (and imagine alot of others) needs, be they personal or business.

If you are not satisfied and/or can't wait for the changes that took iOS and Android years to implement, there is a large market of smartphones out there just waiting for your business.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
If WP7 was my only one phone, for sure I would trade it. But I use two mobiles at once and I don't care that much. But it's a problem, whether you like it or not. It is. And I assume that i prefer my WP7 over my iPhone, but I see the problems.

Just don't be a freaking fanboy always defending and shutting the eyes to the problems.

And people are always complaining about something. Before now, it was "update delay". Now they are trying to find something to scream e cry out.

Whatever. WP7 market is growing. Soon we will be full of useful apps. Hope sooner than later.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Not fanboying here... just telling ya that screaming in every other post that there are no decent apps, it doesn't do this and that the other grass is greener is not gonna help us.

Talk to developers (and support them), give out decent app reviews with tips on how to improve, post in Microsoft forums so they hurry the "effe" up and release much needed API's.

We know what we can't do, we know what it doesn't have and we also know its getting there... can you use the device, awesome ? Does it lack much needed features and apps that its useless, dust off a old HD2 and abuse it !

Anyway... just one more thread going the "wrong way" again :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Is "fart apps" being used symbolically here to represent all the extremely easily coded apps that proliferate in every marketplace because of their reletive ease in creation?

is this a universally accepted phrase for such apps?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I did not coin the term but it is generally used to decribe a simple app for the entertainment of simple-minded people. Like when people criticize a movie for being full of fart jokes. To be fair, it is no different than the car world with the Calvin peeing on something stickers. That is the kind of society were are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markomarkogame:
Well i like apps on WP7 and they dont crash =)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Well I like some of the apps for the WP7 and some of them do crash (and don't update properly).

But I'm here for the long run... :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
I know this is off topic but I'm genuinely intrigued to know the answer to this...why do you Americans say that you can care less about something when you appear to mean that you could *not* care less?

If you can care less, then you must care.

If you could not care less, then you clearly don't care at all.

Sorry to raise this but it's been bugging me for years!
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
guys soon we will have iOS apps converted to WP7 with the help of new MS tool....
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
exactly....... i am also waiting for the OVI maps.... it is good on nokia phones, and it will be great on WP7 devices....

there is this guy who only knows how to ***** only and likes to force his thinking on ppl.... come on grow up....
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You are correct and I suspect laziness set in. Or ignorance? I do hear people say "could care less" more often than "could not care less". It is good to care ;) There is something in there that I do find amusing but I will keep that to myself.

Pots and Kettles and all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TIGGAH:
My take on it is that someone could care less - less enough to not even respond. That's my take on it. I think "couldn't care less" is inaccurate sometimes because if you took the time to respond to someones message then you do indeed care to a certain extent.

Makes sense to me at least :)

But yeah in all reality - most American's are dumb. That's the reason behind it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I would be careful making those kind of generalized and inflammatory remarks, especially with your ill-place apostrophe.

I received my education in the US and remember:

1. The only people who are truly American are the native Americans.

2. Thus America is a collection of immigrants from places that you may be currently in.

3. America has achieved so much in many areas like science and technology, and medical research. You have to be smart to accomplish these things, even if you collaborate with others. Like everyplace they have their share of issues, but on a whole you can find many nice places in the US to live and raise a family.

Back to 15,000 apps and counting quickly :D

Prediction - Nokia will launch with a powerhouse collection of Windows Phone apps. By Q1 2012, Windows Phone will have 50,000 apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Yes but by saying you *could* care less, you are implying that you actually currently care to some degree, and that therefore, caring less is a possibility.

If you say you *couldn't* care less, you are stating that it is impossible for you to reduce the level that you care about something, hence you must already care nothing for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
wow off topic,

It's English, it doesn't have to make sense...

but if you need an answer, try these on.

couldn't care less=i don't care at all

could care less=sarcasm, you state there is less that you could care which implies you do care some, but in reality you couldn't care any less than you do

or could care less is just lazy English like hairbrained, unphased, speak your peace, just desserts, doesn't jive, etc...
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
I'm not convinced there was actually a topic here to begin with but if there was.... can we get back to it please.....

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] TIGGAH:
Doh! See Americans are stupid :) I didn't even catch my mistake when tell others how stupid we are!

But yes, 15000 apps is amazing! I keep finding new ones everyday to tinker with. More reason to love WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, it's called a "pun."

Look it up in the dictionary, but here in the US you typically learn about them in depth around the 7th or 8th grade.

It's worded that way intentionally, but not meant to be interpreted 100% literally...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, by saying "I could care less" you imply that you care enough to consider something (or formulate a response), but what you are actually responding to/considering barely warrants the respond.

Like I said, a pun. It's meant to sound a bit odd. It's a language tool. The phrase in question is supposed to pop and grab your attention, and obviously it has performed flawlessly :P

Shakespeare was no stranger to puns and IIRC he wasn't from the USA...

Definition:

Emphasis is mine...

So take a break from bashing Americans and revisit grammar school. It's a mid-grade language tool and you should be familiar with it before high school and certainly by the time you get to college courses. People have been using this language tool since before America existed, or was even discovered by anyone from Europe.

However, I'd be the first to admit that the humor is often lost in the sea of emotions on this forum...
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
It's not a pun. A pun is a play on words where you substitute a word that sounds like the intended word with intentional humorous effect.

"You can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish." har har har.

It is most likely lazy English, like I already posted. At best, you can claim sarcasm.

It's not even close to a pun.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
A pun involves a word or a phrase. The statement is a pun.

I just gave you the definition, and bolded that part for emphasis and you're still arguing about it...

Then you used a pre-elementary example to prove your point, Lol.

Go read Othello, Hamlet, King Lear, etc. and then come back to discuss puns, k?
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
You're wrong. Sorry. Get over yourself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If you say so :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
To get back on topic. If anyone hasn't heard yet Foursquare is discontinuing their current WP7 app and telling people to use "4th and Mayor"

So if you have Foursquare for WP7 installed you mind as well uninstall it and switch over to the other one. They'll prolly not update the current one anymore.

They say they are developing a new version.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/msftisvs/ar...rsquare-windows-phone-7-app-soon-to-come.aspx

They're just saying they will develop a whole new version, and till then we should just use 4th and Mayor, which many of us have already been using since its launch (even though its lacking a few key features).

PS

: just trying to get this topic back on track before the spelling and grammar cops attack again .