yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] drgonzo712:
Well, with Sprints new policy on any smartphone, everyone that gets any Android (4g or not), Blackberry, etc. are now paying the $10 premium data charge.

Also, it is amazing to me how providers think they have a right to tell people what they can and cannot do with a device that they own. I am just saying, this is like Comcast telling someone they can't install a program on their computer because they are using their internet connection.
[EVO 4G General] MCL1981:
Your using the network which they own. The phone may be yours but the infrastructure is not. They have every right to control or restrict the amount or rate at which use data on their network.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
That is correct, without them, your phone is pretty much worthless, so yes they can and have ever right to control how the data is used on your device.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] :
you Own your device, Alright. You signed a contract, Alright.

The company you WILLINGLY signed the contract with makes the contract.

YOu say hey I'll tether because i can without paying.

You look at contract oh hey YOUR VIOLATING yourc ontract. They can do alot more than cut your service off.

YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT

you willingly knew thaty it was illegal.

Oh hey what do you know. We all signed that contract didn't we? I don't care that you own a phone. I care about the company who provides me service. Why you ask? because I dont have the 20b+ to make a national infrastructure for my own use.
[EVO 4G General] djkraemer:
These practices concern me deeply.

If they can block a tethering app, who's to say that they can't limit rooted devices?
[EVO 4G General] dowmace:
They can limit rooted phones but they would lose a large customer base in doing so.
[EVO 4G General] iwantyourskulls:
+1! That's why I won't get rid of Sprint. Just root, check unknown sources, and side load or adb!
[EVO 4G General] jgalan14:
I have use data for my pc in the past and I didnt like it, is too slow and I got WiFi at work and at home , for them taking of an app doesn't bother me I mean you pay for data service for your phone no other device, I'll probably moving soon tho so I ma have to get rid of sprint, because their service is gonna suck I just don't know how to get out of etf cause I got 9 months left
[EVO 4G General] fenixjn:
They would lose customers but not a large amount... the majority of the android phones out there on Sprint are not rooted.
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
Exactly, a small amount of users root. I can't give you a number BC that would be ignorant on my part but no where even close to half root so it wouldn't have major effects in them.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
More like 0.01%

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
Lol I didn't want to give an estimate, I just can safely say less than half lol
[EVO 4G General] Slatter39:
way way way less than half. Majority of the people not only on Sprint but the other carriers are either afraid to root or have no idea what rooting a phone is.
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
I wonder if the native teethering in cm7 is gonna stop being implemented.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Your excuse is flawed.

If carriers ban rooting then where would you go?

We all need a cell phone so you have no choice in the end.
[EVO 4G General] swanysto:
I would go back to Virgin Mobile where I came from. I paid $40 a month for unlimited texting and data. The only reason I came to Sprint was cause I wanted a fancy phone I could mess around with cause I get bored. Going back to Virgin Mobile would not be hard in the least for me. I actually enjoyed paying $50 less a month for basically the same 3g network.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Lol, I'm sorry but where would you go if all carriers banned rooting?
[EVO 4G General] mordbane:
Sprint is really hurting for customers so they are not going to be turning anyone away. But if that changes they probably will adopt some of the same policies. With the way things are locked up at VZN and AT&T&T, Sprint will be holding its third place spot for the foreseeable future.

Sent from my grubby hand
[EVO 4G General] jgalan14:
I don't think the more then 90% of americans care about rooting or jailbreaking, I have over 40 friends and family with Android and iphone, half of them don't even know or care what rooting means and im the only one the root and jailbrake my smartphones, trust me xda is a big community(almost 4 million users worlwide ) and that's not even a quarter of tmobile users (4th carrier in the US) so sprint blocking that wont affect sales , what affect sales is ****ty phones and bad customer service or service in general
[EVO 4G General] SquallLHeart:
I'm hoping Sprint isn't going to do anything.. I mean.. at the very least.. I was surprised and glad that they were fighting against the whole AT&T-Mobile merger.

Getting to this whole tethering thing... if Sprint followed along, it would kill off so many customers. They need to keep a grasp on their market.. and make sure to continue to offer something that the competitors don't have or in this case, won't let customers have. Is it cheating the system? Is it bad to people to take advantage of the unlimited data that many other carriers are killing off? There are many reasons that make Sprint a wonderful carrier to be with... and this is one of them. They care about their customers... well.. at least more than the other carriers from personal experience.

Anyway, despite the fact I'm sure they're probably going to stay in third place behind Verizon and AT&T for some time... I couldn't be more happier with the innovations they have brought to the industry. Even if some of their technology becomes obsolete and overshadowed eventually by the other competitors.. it sucks.. but that's capitalism for ya.

The xda community and those who root phones.. etc.. with the whole whole tethering thing.. IMHO, doesn't hurt Sprint with the many more customers they have under their belt.

For those who take the risk of rooting and tweaking around.. it's by all means completely legal.. it's our device that we own and have paid for. The only thing that bothers me are those people who mess up.. and then try to get Sprint to fix it.. and more than likely.. try to cover up their tracks prior to doing so. Those are the people who I don't like as they abuse the system that was meant to protect those who legitimately have problems.

If you break something.. and it was YOUR FAULT.. fix it yourself! The xda community can help you do that, but for goodness sake.. don't waste Sprint's money and time. It is people like that.. that bring attention to the carriers.. and have things like this happen.
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
I know that hahah
[EVO 4G General] sog1971:
I would tend to agree...But I guess it would also mean the 10% of americans are buying most of the paid software in the market, considering 3 of the top 5 paid apps all require root.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Rooted consumers tend to pay more than non rooted because they know the benefits

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] tjr2010:
Alright, since we use their services.... what will they do if they lose customers? these phone companies mostly provide their service and thats fine... but don't try to tell me what I can and can't do on my phone that i paid for.... We paying for data to be used MONTHLY, for u to tell me how I can and can't use it...SUCK IT. Its their faults that people root jailbreak and all this other stuff because they provide a crappy phone to begin with.... Sooooo that being said. u limit my service u lose customers, u lose customers, u shut down. simple.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
So if they all stop because of abusers where will you go? You need a cellphone. You pay for data on your phone not to be spread out amongst other devices.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
Why on earth does EVERYONE who argues against tethering, assume that someone is tethering 5 devices???? I tether. Frequently. However, I have NEVER tethered anything except my own damn laptop, and that's just usually to browse on XDA on a full page. Sometimes i may even feel ballsy and stream some pandora from my laptop too. Please inform me how the heck that uses any more data than if i was streaming pandora from my phone, or browsing some websites on my phone? Sometimes I just find it more damned convenient to use my laptop for browsing the EXACT SAME SITES I'd be browsing on my phone. Sometimes my eyes just appreciate it more using a full size screen, instead of my Evo. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. I average 1-3 GB of data per month. (I use 4g a lot, but I don't think that shows up in my data usage?) I do not find that excessive at all. In fact I find it below average. My girlfriend has never tethered once, and she uses between 6-8gb of data per month, just from using her damn phone normally. There is nothing that I see wrong about my particular tethering habits.

I can understand the arguments of people tethering 5 devices being excessive and wrong. But really, who in the hell does that?
[EVO 4G General] brandon.pitts:
Amen to that!! I don't even have 4G in my area and I still have to pay for the premium data monthly for something I probably won't ever use :(
[EVO 4G General] aburgthing:
I am in the exact same scenario as above almost word for word. Couldn't have said it better if I tried and agree whole heartedly. I think it's worth a THANKS!
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
Thanks, I'm glad someone agrees with me. Also, what I forgot to mention, is that by everyone else's logic, I should be paying 30 dollars more per month than my girlfriend, just because I tether. That makes no sense, because she doesn't tether, but uses MORE data than I do, and I tether ever day, for reading news and XDA. I don't go crazy downloading things. Ever. The biggest files I download are ROMS from Xda.
[EVO 4G General] teh roxxorz:
I have to agree. I too..am a tetherer [the horror] I've never tether more than my own devices, and its either my laptop or xbox, because at times my school's network fails so hard, and even then I would be "under" what most data would be used for by users. So I don't see an issue with it personally, the service is still being paid for, on time, consistently.

Now those people that are tethering 5,6,7 devices and are like OMG! look at my 60gb of data pulled this month...they should be reprimanded, because that's just blatant abuse.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
You people are stupid or just ignorant.

You want internet on a laptop,desktop,netflix, ps3, xbox etc. Then pay for home internet!

Your phone from Sprint has internet and it is meant for mobile use. You want to use it for other devices then go and pay $30 more a month.

Data is a luxury not a necessity.
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
....whoa. relax dude. no need for name calling. I hope your night gets better.

EDIT: and I wasn't trying to start a war or anything. Just simply that I personally don't see why 'I should be paying 30 more per month" than my girlfriend does, when she uses more data than I do, without ever tethering. That's just asinine in my eyes. Obviously you disagree with my logic, but thats alright. We don't need to be calling names. Thats just silly.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
By tethering, I am getting mobile connectivity with my laptop when i'm not near an ethernet jack.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
This should not even be a discussion. If you are not paying $30 then I am mistaken and should not call you stupid but a thief.

Your gf will get what's coming to her when data plans come into affect.
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
okay. have a wonderful night man, I mean that.

Also, I have no idea what you mean by 'my girlfriend will get whats coming to her when data plans come into affect'. She pays for unlimited data, does not tether, doesn't even have 4g, and uses 6-8gb per month, mainly from streaming music and using YouTube. WTH is wrong with that? Why does that warrant a 'she'll get whats coming to her?" I have no idea what you're talking about. Why would that be unreasonable? apparently using pandora and youtube on a daily basis can rack up some data usage, but what's wrong with that? Your logic baffles me.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
Nothing wrong with how much you use.
[EVO 4G General] novanosis85:
I apologize.
[EVO 4G General] PaganAng3l:
T-Mobile all the way! To my knowledge they are the only carrier to openly support rooting their devices. They also don't care if you tether, they just don't want you to complain when you're throttled after you eat up your 5gb cap. I <3 big Magenta!

Edit: Sprint ain't bad either :D
[EVO 4G General] tmwilsoniv:
There is so much wrong with this post, I'll just chalk it up to misguided frustration.

I have subscribed to Sprint Mobile Broadband for many years. I've burned through three USB devices and just retired the HTC Mogul last June when I jumped into the Evo at Sprint's request. Sprint informed me that they "Would no longer be supporting my Phone-as-modem plan." They suggested I try the Evo with the Hotspot add-on. I did.

I could never get better than 50% of tower to device speeds tethering. After four months of stonewalling, a tier two techie suggested I cough up $10.00, install EasyTether, and take care of business. I did just that. Presto! 100% tower to device speeds tethered to my laptop.

I've said it before and will say it again, I will not pay $30.00 per month for a service that Sprint has no intention of defining (through-speed) nor providing.

The kicker,

"Data is a luxury not a necessity."

Data is what they are selling!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
They are one of the companies that blocked third party tethering services....

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] PaganAng3l:
Weird.... I'm on t-mobile and I can still download them...

Edit: Yep, just checked. And no I wasn't on wifi, using regular network, barnacle and wireless hotspot are there.

Sent from my shiny metal G2 w/ meXdroid V2
[EVO 4G General] xfullmetal17:
Considering quite a few ROMs have modded versions baked in anyway, is blocking the app in the market really necessary?

Sent from an ELITE Evo!
[EVO 4G General] djbroak:
Possibly one of the reasons we don't see this app cooked in newer ROMs?
[Galaxy S II General] LoveisPeace2012:
Just wanted to open a thread to get a list of Developers that are working or going to be working on the GSII...
[Galaxy S II General] MoonRaven:
I think you'll have more luck in the developers forum of the Samsung Galaxy SII :)

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1058

Edit: Whoops, just realized it was only for roms/kernels/etc under development in that forum.
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] doixanh:
This module is not for end-users. It's only valuable for kernel developers.

Intro

I wrote this module for the purpose of extracting kernel config from our running kernel 2.6.29 in my X8 (an educational purpose).

Instruction

Everyone who wants to try:

Download the module below (only for X8 with latest kernel + baseband 015)

Extract

Push to /system/lib/modules

From adb shell

insmod /system/lib/modules/x8kconfig.ko
gunzip -c /proc/config.gz > /mnt/sdcard/x8config.txt

Mount USB, open x8config.txt from your sdcard with wordpad

You will see these in some first line:

Source was pushed to github: https://github.com/doixanh/X8Features

Licence violation will be discussed later :D
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] skyboyextreme:
SE is treating it's end users like s*it as we all can see....
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] XperianPro:
This will pass,only we need to spread the news.

News:Sony is hiding latest open source kernel,does sony afraid or newest source can unlock bootloader.

Because of user rights when qouastion will asked we can only guess whay they will say nothing or they can go to jail.
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] asn-mat:
Why don't you take the boot.img from the latest se rom and extract it so you can get the origenal kernel ..

then build a costom one debending on it :)
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] Graveir:
That's insane... I've just forwarded it to Polish android board, everyone should know this.
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] speedi57:
me using your module I obtain it:

# Automatically generated make config: don't edit

# Linux kernel version: 2.6.29

# Sun Jan 30 20:24:17 2011

#
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] aldee_s:
hmm, why cant we use the older kernel to unlock the bootloader?

just asking. :D
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] Graveir:
doixanh, are you going to contact http://gpl-violations.org/ those guys?
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] sonty:
does the kernel tree compile with the config extracted from the device?

I think the different build dates are not really a good proof that the published archive is not the real one because they probably did multiple builds with different configs. I know that when I tried compiling kconfig support into the previous kernel/baseband it turned out to be useless and had a bunch of undefined config flags compared to the published kernel tree.
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] oisteink:
Because the configuration is newer you assume changes to source? That's pretty far fetched... Releasing updates on this big scale you don't do last minute changes to code... Gpl said release changes to code. What code is missing / changed?
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] chewdaniel:
lol i posted this to SE's facebook page and it got deleted in under 5 minutes :D

http://www.facebook.com/sonyericsson
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] aldee_s:
what did you post? i mean the exact words. :D
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] chewdaniel:
well i said something about them abandoning us X8/10mini customers and making us stuck at 2.1 and that since they don't care about us the community will and asked them to release their code so the devs can work better :D

it wasn't rude or anything maybe SE just didn't like the idea of ppl developing the software for their phones :D
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] mati96PL:
I posted this on polish sony ericsson on fb , bcause I have been blocked on english site :D
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] romcio47:
This is f*cking unbelievable! They were playing with us since they released 2010 products and now we see another thing.

doixanh many thanks to YOU!

They surely should be reported gpl site http://gpl-violations.org but who will do this? I don't want to be rude but YOU know what to say so why don't you do that? :-)
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] JasoX:
I´ve posted similar threads there aswell and the threads got deleted.
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] teapea:
I was starting to look at kernel stuff today for my X10 Mini Pro = and also couldn't find the latest kernel on the site.

However I downloaded the x10_x10mini_x8_eclair_2.1.A.0.390 file anyway to have a look - and according to the makefile for this it's

VERSION = 2

PATCHLEVEL = 6

SUBLEVEL = 29

EXTRAVERSION =

NAME = Temporary Tasmanian Devil

So has the kernel actually changed since this release - as this looks like a 2.6.29 to me?
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] sexan:
cyttsp_i2c_init: Cypress TrueTouch(R) Standard Product I2C Touchscreen Driver (Built Jan 18 2011 @ 23:43:30) returned 0
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] ninhdo:
got the same text too

#
# Automatically generated make config: don't edit
# Linux kernel version: 2.6.29
# Tue Jan 18 23:38:24 2011
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] kernelzilla:
It's entirely far fetched, as OP is trying to correlate something that isn't the cause.

The only thing he's proven is someone typed make oldconfig or make menuconfig, there is usually no indication of source code changes in the .config, outside of new kernel config options that may be in the running kernel vs provided defconfig (did you even check? no). The fact that you didn't even mention looking at the actual kernel build timestamp in /proc/version tells me you don't really know what you're doing, it's not in the .config...

Are there any modules that exist on stock but aren't available for compilation from source? Are there any kernel modules that are exporting tainted symbols? (i.e. is /proc/sys/kernel/tainted 0?) That would rule out any use of proprietary or missing modules. Do any of the stock modules export newer versions or kmsg info that isn't in the source? I highly doubt you looked through the source this extensively.

Most production kernel development cycles I've been a part of involve a period of code freeze before the final release. Usually during this period only absolutely show-stopping bugs are fixed and things like debugging and factory/test hardware modules are removed. It is likely that this is what happens at SE.

Do you really think they put relatively untested code in the kernel during that 5 day period from source finalization and production build? Any changes, especially the security measure you speculate were put in, would require extensive testing. Judging by the contributions that SE has provided in AOSP, they test their software and hardware for compliance more than the average vendor. It's illogical to me to assume they've snuck some code in when they spend countless man-hours doing testing and QA.

This type of speculative witch-hunt makes the community look bad, not SE. You need to provide factual evidence of a license violation, not .config file changes.
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] doixanh:
Well, thanks for a very detailed analysis! You must be a very experienced kernel developer! I will change the topic and any insulation in OP.

I have some questions (for educational purpose, not related to prove licence violation)

First, defconfig vs running kernel config: I made a diff and I saw one significant different.

CONFIG_CRYPTO_AEAD (from n to y).

If you change a config from n to y, that change will be included in the kernel and the kernel should be recompiled. How could it be this conflict:

/proc/version shows that the kernel was built in Dec 17th

running kernel config shows that the config was generated in Jan 18th

These two dates should be matched because the kernel config is included inside the kernel...
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] XperianPro:
These realy looks like SE cheat us.
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] aldee_s:
hmm, kernelzilla, is it the same as kernelzilla who made Hero's CM6?
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] xxdoc1:
I TEST-------------------BUT

WRONG

E:\x8root\2.1 root\adb>adb shell

$ su

su

Permission denied

$ insmod /system/lib/modules/x8kconfig.ko

insmod /system/lib/modules/x8kconfig.ko

insmod: init_module '/system/lib/modules/x8kconfig.ko' failed (Operation not per

mitted)

$ gunzip -c /proc/config.gz > /mnt/sdcard/x8config.txt

gunzip -c /proc/config.gz > /mnt/sdcard/x8config.txt

cannot create /mnt/sdcard/x8config.txt: directory nonexistent

$
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] much1:
r u rooted?
[XPERIA X8 Android Development] hugerth:
T_T no coment.
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] panamamike:
Wanted to know if a particular ROM has better battery life than the others. Supposedly Gingerbread has battery life improvements; I'd like to know if it translates real world.

Regards,

Mike
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] fr3akBut:
I've used 2.1, owains 2.2 & 2.3, slades 2.2 and 2.3.... and they are all pretty similar in battery usage.

Everything set to OFF (wifi, 3g, data, bluetooth, screen very low, no active widgets etc)... the best i could get was 5% battery use per HOUR... rising to 10%+ when having anything enabled.

After reading about iOS, WP7 and Android tracking and logging position data, i decided to turn off the basic 'use wireless networks' in location settings.

Now (using a Deji 3rd party battery -which reports as a 1200mah battery), I get 3+ days with the same settings. Roughly 1% per hour when idle now.

HTH

:)
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] tokris:
I think ginggerbread is much better for its battery life, you can make experiment with those roms anyway..
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] MauriF:
For me 2.1 uses more battery when the phone is idle than the 2.2 CM6 final...

when you use the phone, instead, 2.1 and CM6 final are the same.
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] MauriF:
Please can You tell me something about this battery?

Thanks a lot!