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[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] craiglay:
For the purpose or your original question yes, its "4G" capable, in a "4G" area it should be showing "H". Someone who uses the MIUI rom may be able to confirm this. On the stock DZ rom, "H" is both HSDPA and HSPA+

The confusion comes from the definition of "4G" or the lack of! The ITU who maintain telephony standards define "4G" as LTE-Advanced or WIMAX (802.16m). T-Mobile successfully argued with the law that they could market their HSPA+ offering as "4G" on their "new network" which in reality is just a simple upgrade.

For the record, speedtest reports about 3Mbps down and 1Mbps up which is quite respectable. I believe its on HSPA+ at 14.4Mbps.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] I AM VS4:
Okay I get it! They are charging me for the coverage and capability. This means that the phone is cabable. But how come it says 3G though I'm still a little concerned even though it is possible for me to have 4G how come I am paying for something I don't have. Is says 3G loud and clear! At no point has it said 4G but why is it that I am paying for it?! But I do understand your answers... Just answer me that question..
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mnementh666:
The 3G vs 4G vs H vs H+ is potentially just a matter of graphics or icons?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=993824

*edit: you appear to be in Houston, so you should be covered by HSDPA*

Download "Speedtest" app, by Ookla, and run a couple tests. See what you get for speeds.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] craiglay:
In settings - about - network what does it say?

Sent from my Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shenlei089:
only 3.5g
[Shift General] albyXR:
i just buy an htc shift..and i have a lot of doubt..to activate and use a wireless connection on w7 can i turn off all the connection also the connection of wireless in tha part of windows mobile??

wich is the principal programs that must have on the htc shift? i have wm and windows7 like operative sistem..thanks
[Shift General] dannyt84:
The only must-have for me is firefox with grab-and-drag extension... and, you know, htc shift came from space;:) no one really know what it can do.
[Shift General] albyXR:
a lot of problem

where i can dowload firefox and what is grab extension?it's bettere than explorer? i have a lot of difficult to configure a wireless connection,the guy who have the shift before hah install windows 7! the shift don't see any wireless..and i'm near the router..where ican upgrade or reinstall the wireless driver?and last question very important...i don't see any sound from my htc shift and all the controll volume is on and set to the mex volume?? why? please answer at all my question and sorry a lot ..but i'm in panic!!
[Shift General] axelTP2:
AlbyXR, take it easy and don't panic. There is always a solution, just calm down and take a deep breath.

FireFox and related extensions are a different topics than HTC Shift, deal with them separately, just like for any windows pc software. I am not using FF, therefore can't help you. Anyway, deal with wifi first and use Internet Explorer for that. Leave FF for later on after having wifi working.

You still did not confirm if you can open the Shift Control Center (ShagControl) in Win7 and activate wifi from there. Be aware that Wifi does not work for winmob!

The Shift Control Center (ShagControl) in Win7 is controlling the on/off state of the 3G modem, wifi, BT and audio volume, plus soft reset of the winmob part.

In order to understand the limitations of the HT Shift just read once again my recent (last 2 days) posts to you and to sullivan. Wifi does not work for winmob!
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Brenardo:
But... ever his back to factory just like the day it was purchased. 3.0.1 update went smooth as silk and I don't have any reason to believe the sbf didn't work. Is this normal? Anyway to be 100% on this?

Verizon 3G if it matters...
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bwcorvus:
It always says failed :)
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zone23:
As stated it always says it failed.
[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
I currently have the 3G Xoom that I bought the first week that it was out.

I also bought the 64 GB Playbook on its release day.

This thread is for people who is thinking of getting a smaller device than the Xoom.

Playbook vs. Xoom:

Advantages of the Playbook:

1. More portable and lighter. I carry it almost everywhere I go because it can fit into my leather jacket pocket. I can hold it up longer than I can do with my Xoom while laying in bed without the fear that it will fall on my face.

2. Better screen. The whites of the playbook is whiter. The picture looks sharper. It seems to have a better viewing angle.

3. It can play high-profile h.264 movies. It cannot play .mkv container movies yet but if you convert the high-profile h.264 movies to .mg4 (using the free program called XenonMKV) then it plays flawlessly with its high-profile h.264 quality unchanged from original....only the 5.1 DTS sound is downsample to stereo AAC.

4. Multitasking is better on the Playbook than the Xoom.

5. The speakers are better on the Playbook because it directs the sound toward you instead of away from you.

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Disadvantages of the Playbook:

1. Smaller screen than the Xoom

2. No default email (yet)

3. Cannot play .mkv container file (yet)

4. No micro SD card (but if you buy the 64 GB version then you don't have to worry about lack of space)

5. Not rootable (hope someone at XDA developer or any skilled person can hack it in the future)

6. No cellular feature (for the wi-fi only version)

7. Less apps (will improve in the future)

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For me, I like the Playbook better despite the negatives. I am trying to sell my 3G Xoom but I am keeping the 64 GB Playbook. I don't even have a blackberry phone and yet I still like the Playbook more.

It comes down to how I use the tablet the most that make me decide which is better. For me, it is portability (will use it more often) and watching high profile hi-def movies.
[Xoom General] keitht:
What does no default email mean? Like I could not use Gmail or Exchange?
[Xoom General] Brenardo:
Really I appreciate your opinion and if you would like I would take the inferior Xoom off your hands if u are giving it away.
[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
I am not giving it away. I am trying to sell it.
[Xoom General] Xevilious:
Ok, that's nice... thanks.

I don't really care though. If I was in the slightest bit interested in Blackberry, I would have waited around for the Playbook. If I wanted something 7", I would have gotten one of the many 7" Android tablets by now.
[Xoom General] Brenardo:
okie dokie
[Xoom General] jondwillis:
Explain. 10char
[Xoom General] csseale:
Why is this even in a xoom forum...troll elsewhere please.

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[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
Mutitaking seems to be better on the Playbook because I can open more windows. I believe that the Xoom can only have the most recent 5 that you can choose to mutitask. The Playbook can have more than 5.
[Xoom General] frenzy757:
Will the apps come for the playbook? Apps never came for Blackberry phones...

they will have the ability to use Android apps, but its still to be seen how well it will be integrated into the ecosystem.
[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
Well, because there is no forum that is dedicated to the Playbook here in XDA-developers forum.

Also, I also have the Xoom so I can make a comparison between the two devices.
[Xoom General] jondwillis:
I'll give you that, the 5 item back history seems arbitrary and limiting. Its not like the apps are killed, you just can't get back to them super quickly.
[Xoom General] khov07:
Wouldn't base my opinion on that, seeing as how there aren't really any decent apps for the Playbook, according to the Ars review posted today ;-)

Don't get me wrong, I liked the Playbook when I first heard about it. The specs are awesome, but it has two major downsides: lack of good 3rd party apps, and no native email/calendar/contacts sync support. It has to sync via a Blackberry handheld. Frankly, that sucks, and it's a gaping hole in design.

ANY other tablet, even the cheapo Android tabs, can sync your email without requiring any 'bridging' to a mobile phone.

The QNX OS is great, a lot like webOS, very intuitive and flexible. But without even basic messaging available out of the box (unless you already have a blackberry mobile), this is an epic fail in my book, and a major lost opportunity. "I coulda been a contender..."

The Xoom has its issues of course, but it isn't hampered out of the box like the Playbook is. I'm disappointed in RIM.
[Xoom General] cwizardtx:
I thanked your post because as I see you do actually own a Xoom you are giving us a brief rundown of a feature comparison between the two devices.

When I heard about this device on the radio I was interested until I heard all the **** it just can't do.

No email app out of the box? Really? That's hilarious, what a worthless peice of equipment if I can't read e-mail on it. App support? Lol WHAT App support have you seen in overwhelming display from Blackberry? All I know about Blackberry is that my experience in supporting their god awfull devices is just that... god awfull.

The screen is better, thats good.. smaller size is cool but then I agree with another guy... I'd just get a smaller android device.

With all that said, thanks for your write up and I hope that we dont get a huge proliferation of non-Xoom comparisons as a result.
[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
For me, I love to read about device comparison. The more, the better. However, I would prefer that the person who writes the comparison actually own the devices and have been using it for at least 1 week.

I actually currently have 4 tablets. They are the jailbroken ipad, T-mobile Samsung Galaxy tab with custom ROM Overcome 1.6.3, Xoom 3G, and the 64 GB Playbook.

Each has its strong and weak points. I use each one according to the situation that I am in. I don't like to bash other devices (or the people who buy them) because of the reason that I just mentioned. I just like to point out the advantages and disadvantages and let people decide for themselves.
[Xoom General] Elysian893:
You must have really weak arms if the Xoom is a challenge for you to hold up for long periods of time. Try going to the gym?

Also, I can see why the Playbook would be able to play high profile h.264, it's pushing less pixels and has a higher clocked CPU. How does it do playing 720p Youtube videos in browser though? You know how often I've played 720p video files on my Xoom? Once, because I wanted to try it. How often do I Youtube? Just about every day and the new Flash 10.2 makes 720p video playable on the Xoom(granted overclocked to 1.5ghz, the Xoom at stock clock does pretty poorly with 720p video on Youtube still).
[Xoom General] cwizardtx:
Well there's also the fact that if people in this forum were at all interested in other devices I'd wager that we'd be in other device forums looking for those reviews. Honestly... I want to come to the XOOM Forum to read about the XOOM and not a bunch of other stuff which is why I left my reply off with the comment I did. I gave you thanks for your comparison between two devices but something tells me that a new rash of "im taking my xoom back for XYZ thing" is around the corner and let me tell you those get old and boring fast.

Again... appreciate your write up. From the looks of the features of that tablet... I wouldn't even be able to use it for the most menial of day to day things and thats laughable (to me).
[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
If you ask 100 people if they would prefer a lighter tablet or a heavier tablet, I would bet that more than 50% of the people would say that they prefer a lighter tablet. I would even bet that most professional weight lifter would prefer a lighter tablet.

The Playbook is great at playing 720p youtube videos. In fact, flash seems to be better on my Playbook than on my Xoom, even when I just upgrade to the latest Flash version on the Xoom yesterday.
[Xoom General] Elysian893:
I weight train, I'm not a professional but I do alright, the weight on the Xoom truly doesn't matter. 1.3lbs or whatever it is is next to nothing. Your experience with Flash on the Playbook doesn't seem to match that of anyone reviewing it.
[Xoom General] Bigmille:
To OP, I think you are compare two devices with different usage.

I’ve a Xoom mainly to use at home, and a Samsung Galaxy tab as media consumption device for daily commute.

I think the playbook cost too much and not offer any advantages over Android and Apple products.

For example, the Playbook doesn’t have enough apps to attract any android and Apple users and it don’t have 3G version.

I’d recommend 7” Android tablet for anyone who wants a mobile device.

I.E. the cheaper Galaxy Tab have all the advantages you listed, plus with Overcome ROM is very fast and lag free. Since its running Androide 2.2, nearly all the apps in market will work on the device. Also it can play mkv files.

P.S. I use MultiTasking Pro as work around for the limited app switching in Xoom, works well and I can also close most of the apps.
[Xoom General] jjank11:
My god, i'm sick of the "xoom is too heavy" complaints. If people think the xoom is too heavy then don't buy the damn thing or go actually exercise and discover that you have muscles! (i.e. lift weights). The thing is like a pound and a half.

I still don't understand the fascination with the smaller tablets. Sure they are a bit more portable but what benefit does it add over a 4.3"(or even a 4") phone with the same or similar OS??
[Xoom General] 3devious:
I think the fact that you only see the last 5 apps you had open on the Xoom is deceptive as I've returned to apps that weren't in that popup and they were in the same state if they were idle or still working on what I had set them to do. I am not sure how many things will stay running at once but I think it is more than 5 depending on which are active.

I di wish that if I had a movie running and went to anther full screen app, I had the option of leaving it running (would be cool for concer videos.)

Based on what you've said about the playbook, I am even madder. I really wanted one and it seems like it is awful. I hope they improve it and fast!
[Xoom General] 3devious:
@Jank, I'm a woman. A smaller light device is very attractive to me.
[Xoom General] Bigmille:
After use my Galaxy tab for the last 3 months, I can’t see myself going back to using a 4 or 4.3 inch phone to browse the web or look at Pulse app.

The 7” tablet gives you nearly full tablet experience with close to half the weight and you are able to carry it in large pocket and purse.

Plus be able to hold it in one had for long period of time and all day battery life are also advantages over smartphone and larger tablet.

I only have to charge the Galaxy Tab and Blackberry Bold every two days. When I had my Galaxy S, the battery often give up early into the evening.
[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
I agree with you that if a person wants to buy another tablet, he/she should read a lot of reviews from many sites and then should go to the store and actually test it out in person before buying it. That is what I do.

Knowledge is a wonderful thing. When you come to the Xoom forum and saw for the very first time a thread that says "I am returning the Xoom because..." I bet that you are curious of why that person return the Xoom and would read it to find out the reason for the return. Of course, after seeing repeated post about the same thing, you would get annoyed. I would be annoyed also.

The main reason that I make this post is for comparison, not for why I am selling my Xoom.

I appreciate your "thank you." ....and thanks.
[Xoom General] Earthbrain:
I have an HTC HD2 phone with custom Android OS CM7(it is a 4.3" phone) and it has much worse experience in surfing the net, play games, or reading when comparing to a 7" tablet. Its main purpose is making calls and using it as a wi-fi hotspot. But the battery drain is substantial.
[Xoom General] Eclair~:
I will never get a tablet that is below 9".

Zooming in constantly on webpages is one one the major reasons, and knowing that 7'' is only 3'' larger than the largest of phones... not really worth it. Tablets are already somewhat considered "oversized phones". And seven inches just cuts it way too close.
[Xoom General] Kcarpenter:
I love the weight of the device, and actually when most people I know have picked it up the say the same thing. It feels sturdy and not fragile. Makes it almost feel like your holding a real book :)
[Xoom General] Smokexz:
Like you, I like the size. I tried it at my local Crap Buy the other day and I typed so much faster on the keyboard, especially on landscape. The browser was so much more stable than the one on my Xoom. The UI was so much sleeker (although I thought this originally with my Xoom, cause its something new I bet that's why I might like it a bit more) and I did enjoy the gestures (I thought I would hate this and I thought I would actually accidentally hit the gestures when my hands would be at the side of the device, not the case they are easy to use when you actually intend on swiping something on the UI).

All in all, if the Xoom didn't come out before the PlayBook release, I would probably be typing this on a PlayBook.

Sent from my Xoom
[Xoom General] jjank11:
Sorry, my multithread reply isn't working

@3devious....understandable. But its not like its that much heavier.

@Bigsmile.....A 7" tablet in a large pocket, you must always wear jackets. I can easily carry my xoom with me in my hand, no problem, as well as hold it for long periods in one hand, no problem. To be fair about battery life, you should compare apples to apples.

@Earthbrain...Thats quite odd, I use an N1 and G2 (a 3.7" and I get excellent experience with both using CM7, as well as stock. Even when comparing to my xoom, but mostly because it is still somewhat buggy, or else the xoom/honeycomb would be much better. Isn't the HD2 buggy, and is meant to be a windows phone! Does your 7" have CM7 or honeycomb as well? Would only be fair for comparison sake and obviously a larger display and form factor will lend itself better for the net, games and reading, as well as battery life, that's common sense. You can only fit a certain size battery into a 4 or 4.3" form factor.

Each to their own. For me the xoom and 3.7 to 4.3" phones fit perfect for me and bring that gap perfectly between my mobile and personal computing lifestyles, as well as the techie-nerd in me. If I was to get any tablet smaller than my xoom, it would be the Nook Color.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
I think the OP's comparison misses the forest for the trees. The main point isn't tethering, or MKV, or size, or any of the immediate features or lack of. The point is Android vs QNX, viz. future 3rd-party support. The OP hopes that apps "will improve" (and I'm sure so does RIM!), but as the saying goes, hope isn't a plan.

As of now, Android-on-tabs and the PB are both starting out, and one can ostensibly say that they are roughly equal. But the big deal that Android has and QNX doesn't (nor Meego, nor WebOS), is momentum. We KNOW that Android tabs will have apps, just like the iOS has apps. We can only HOPE that QNX/WebOS/MeeGo can have likewise. That, to me, is the key: knowing vs hoping.

RIM's cachet up to now has been the business/enterprise market. One would expect the majority of 3rd-party apps to maintain that focus, as devs go where the money is. If you want to make money on consumer apps, iOS & Android are the platforms to be on. In other words, if OP's "playing MKV movies" is representative of his needs (read: consumer stuff), the PB may prove wanting.

I think the PB is a fine product, and QNX is a fine platform. But there are many "fine" products that died in the marketplace for lack of market adoption. The VHS-vs-Beta is a classic example.

>I'm a woman. A smaller light device is very attractive to me.

One doesn't have to be a woman to want a lighter device. Pretty much everybody does, except for weightlifting snobs who think everybody should have the same-sized muscles they do. Somehow, I don't think "go exercise more" is a good sales slogan in defense of a heavier tab.
[Xoom General] Elysian893:
If you're having an issue with a tablet's weight and the one you're comparing it to weights something like 2 tenths of a pound less, you have issues.
[Xoom General] epakrat75:
If you're having a problem with a Tablet's size or weight, consider the Nook Color. More inexpensive than pretty much any other 7" tablet and can run Android 2.3.3 (CM 7.02) Gingerbread very speedily of it's external SD slot. Yep, that's right no rooting of the internals required and it likely can do more than the Playbook for less.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
Pretty much the entire civilized world "has issues" in that most of us lead sedentary lives. Any product that expects us to "go exercise" in order to use it is one that's dead in the water.

Two-tenths of a pound doesn't sound like much, until one has to hold the tab in one hand for an extended amount of time. Comfort is key.

If you think this is trivial, then ask why manufacturers bothered to make different SKUs with different colors. Why not just make them all black?? Hey, it's TRIVIAL! IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANY CAR FUNCTIONS!

Once you can grok this concept, then welcome to the world of marketing.

>consider the Nook Color

This assumes rooting, which, while popular with the XDA demographic, isn't exactly a universal ability for your joe-blow buyer.
[Xoom General] epakrat75:
No, it most certainly does not. As my post clearly says. Rooting is not required to run CM7 on the NC. I didn't root my NC but yet I run CM7 on it. Still, what is required to do so may not be "a universal ability for your joe-blow buyer" but does the "joe-blow buyer" type frequent here? I would have thought not.
[Xoom General] treyatl2006:
I've test both devices but I still like the Xoom more.. The email and calender thing is laughable because its a blackberry device.. People main reasoning for buying RIM products is for its messaging capabilities. To not have it on there is a bit baffling. And its not feasible to open up the web browser, sign in and navigate to email everytime you want to check your messages. It works but its not very efficient.

The web browser was surprisingly good on the Playbook. But the webbrowser on the xoom is good also. Flash was much better on the Playbook until the latest Update on the Xoom which put it on par with the playbook.

The thing about using Android apps... How well will android apps work with the playbook?? My prediction is some apps with work decently, some apps will work but work poorly, and some apps will not be able to to work at all. Blackberry should try to persuade developers to develop apps for its platform natively and dont rely on Android apps.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>but does the "joe-blow buyer" type frequent here? I would have thought not.

Fair point. But CM7 isn't HC. For anybody who waited this long to get an Android tab, not getting the latest Android OS available would be self-defeating.

One can argue that NC will likely run CM8, which should be HC-based whenever that's out. But you're hoping for a future upgrade, instead of having the capability now. There's that word again, hoping. And waiting.

By the time CM8 gets rolling, which should be about a couple of months after HC AOSP release, there'll be in the market $300-ish HC tablets with dual-cores and good screens. The NC's OMAP3 CPU won't be able to run much of the more demanding apps (read: games).

So, is the $250 NC a good deal? It depends on what you want to do with it. Even for the XDA set, it's not that desirable, or else we wouldn't be talking about it here in the Xoom forum.