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[Eee Pad Transformer General] h00ligan:
I missed this earlier, and I'd like to set it straight. I am trying to decide if I will get a replacement or if it is worth it.

I don't know if the tf is terrible due to quality control, I personally have only owned one, which has some issues but I can accept that may be isolated.

The thing that really gets me cooled off is that everything is quite slow. Browsers are slow, main ui is slow (installed adw ex and that helps a lot), but overall, it feels...unfinished. Yes I know it's new, that has nothing to do with me, I didn't code it. My responses were to the question of iPad 2 or tf, which means the overall experience.

Trying to type in a browser is brutal, and I've tried most of them recommended. Marathon, ff, opera, dolphin, etc. Otoh the browsers are more extensible and for those who have investment in other addons, last pass, delicious, etc..it's better. but if you use any third party browser on iPad (atomic, icab, mercury, 360, perfect) they are all faster, smoother, and overall more appealing. I don't really understand how the page zoom works on some of them. Also, there would be a breast browser if we could combine say, three, into one browser

The tf has a keyboard that is actually pretty good, but the touchpad is not good. Disabling the tap to click should be built in, because it causes a lot of issues typing...and yes I am aware I can disable it completely which is a work around not a real solution. The button sticks..maybe that I'll improve when it breaks in more, but it 'catches' right now.

The iPad has no good keyboard solution.

The potential of the tf screen is better, but mine has some flaws that need to be remedied. Txt is crisper, white balance is more to my liking, and the added pixel density is great.

App availability obviously goes to the iPad, as does general web browsing. the tf has flash..which for any site optimized for html5 (many) actually screws us because we are stuck with a lower quality version. Obviously it's a nice fallback but video quality between the YouTube apps on each device for example..the iPad wins. I've asked in another thread if there is a way to default to html5 video on many sites. Even if I set atomic on the iPad to a desktop browser, it sees I don't have flash and serves the better video, looking to replicate that. There may be a way and I just don't know how.

A big win for the transformer IMHO and for my needs is a file system...and that does negate a lot of the negatives. Honestly if I could get web browsing going better, I'd gldly exchange mine for another and push on.

These are some general impressions from limited use..in coming from an iOS device or three. I am looking to exit the apple ecosystem, but I wonder if I'm better served waiting six more months for os refinements, asus fixes, maybe a second gen device. Android hardware seems to move at an accelerated pace compared to apple's stuff..so maybe the wait wouldn't be long.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerrykur:
Yes. A lot of iPad 2 have bleed issues. Apple is bring a new sceen vendor on line. Some people have gone throgh 12 ipads in seatch of a perfect sceen.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] nicknowsky:
I own the iPad2 I ve owned the first iPad Ive owned older Android tablet and I own this honeycomb tablet. Im not an apple fan at all, I dont use iPhones or a Mac. I use the iPad cause its simply the BEST tablet available now. Who know in a few months maybe a year Honeycomb will catch and pass, but the iPad is great. It is really the best tablet you can buy
[Eee Pad Transformer General] acid123:
I did have a bleed issue on the iPad 2,

2 small spots and one large, some forums were saying the bleeding would go away after a while but never did,

The transformer has 2 spots one on the left and one near the bottom,

Sane as the iPad it doesnt bother me,

I can only see it on a black image in a darker room,

If I had a choice between a normal screen or a ips screen with some bleed sport,

I'd choose the ips all day long....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] VICosPhi:
I have an ipad2 and light bleeds badly on left bottom corner. It has been the same since purchase. LG has serious quality control issues on otherwise crisp IPS display. Lookup LG G2X light bleed guys...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
In fact, I would argue that if you have a tegra 2 device with froyo (android 2.2) the UI is just as smooth and fast as the ipad 2. I know this because I own a tegra 2 running android 2.2.

Yes, the ipad 2 has a lot more app options. But most are not free and I highly question their productivity.

With honeycomb there's an almost complete office suit (polaris) and autocad. That's right, auto-freaking-cad. This is a gold mine for us engineers.

Edit.

And with my new internal hard drive hardwired into the dock board, I'm set.

I speak as someone who hasn't turned on his laptop for 3 months now and I just got my keyboard dock 2 days ago. Laptop really is a thing of the past (for me at least).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dburckh:
My two cents is if you are heavily invested in Apple, go with an iPad. If you are heavily invested in Android, go with Android. If you are on the fence, as yourself how you are going to use it and if cost of ownership is an issue.

I'm an Android fanboy, and I have to admit the iPad is more stable and has more apps, but it's also just as cheezy and toy like as the iPhone. iPad has been out for 2+ years, it has a big head start.

Hardware wise, I would give the edge to the Transformer, but the iPad is just more mature. Give it a year and this won't be a difference.

FYI: Somebody says as a developer it's harder to do Android. I would not say that's true. If you choose your targets as 800x480 and 1280x800, that covers most of the devices. Sorry for everybody that doesn't have those. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rackers:
I dissuaded somebody from buying an iPad 2 today and instead they got a Transformer (on my recommendation of course).

I'm no fanboy for either side, I enjoyed my iPhone and my brothers iPad but I just cannot deal with iTunes, no it isn't hard to use but so very annoying when you just want to drag a picture across or an MP3. I also do not enjoy iTunes deleting everything when I plug it in to somebodys else computer (my fault, I know!).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dr.m0x:
Its not your fault itunes is retarded. With apple its all about control. With android we have more freedom. That is the key point of difference for me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
I just with that if an app is released on both IOS and Android, that the app is the same on both platforms!!! I've seen countless Android apps that just suck compared to the IOS version. Hopefully, that will change over time, but there is a big difference right now for apps that exist on both Platforms.

Just to name a few:

- LogMeIn Ignition

- AudioNote (no pen capability on Android)

- HBO Go (no live video on Android)

I could go on and on... I just don't get it - why do the Android versions suck compared to the IOS versions???

I refuse to go back to my iPad 1, but man, I wish they made it a little easier on me!!!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dr.m0x:
For tablets at least Apple have the vast majority of the market share. That is why developers put in less effort for our platform. Used to be the same for phones but it really looks like Android has caught up in that arena now so I expect as time goes on developers will have to place more attention on android.

These days for every person who comes into my store with an iphone, I see three come in with androids. Most of them are mid to high spec too.

Mind you I work in a male dominated industry, the ladies are still more likely to rock iphones. Same old story, men prefer function and women prefer form. :)

Sent from my Bulletproof Htc Sensation.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Nice bit of cherry picking there, I could also play cherrypicking games and pick apps that are better on Android than iOS... but I won't because it's a pointless exercise.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Not "cherry picking" at all - those were three of my most used app on IOS!

I would LOVE to hear of an Android version of an app that is better than it's IOS-equivilent! I sure haven't seen that from my experience. I'd settle for "the same"!!!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
There are plenty, it's a long time since I sold my crappy iPhone3GS, but for starters, that plenty of Android games support cloud storage for game saves, I don't think the locked down Apple ecosystem allows this. I can play a game on my phone, save to the cloud and continue from the same place on my tablet.

That's clearly the first thing that comes to mind, there are plenty moree.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Think what you'd like... I didn't see a single game or app listed in your post though!

We'll have to agree to dis-agree on this one. Believe me - I REALLY wish it weren't the case, but currently, even the same app is better on IOS... Thats just the way it is for now... No need to deny it!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
That is the weakest "this app is better on Android than it is on IOS" that I've ever seen. Some aren't even available on the iPhone, some are NOT that different - (like dropbox - tke a look at a recent IOS version), etc...

And if I want to buy groceries from my tabet, I'm in good shape I guess!

<sigh>

Let's just agree to disagree. :-)

All I know is that for the apps I use the IOS-counterparts are simply better at this point. That is my opinion and I'm entitled to it!

Hopefully, that starts to change though!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] iorikun:
You claimed that you haven't seen ONE app that is better on Android OS, and he gave you a whole list. Then you proceeds to calling them "weak" (very subjective) and cherry picking minor ones while neglecting the major ones to belittle the fact that he proved you wrong.

I'm sorry, but this is a classic definition of trolling.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Clearly Google Maps is like 1000x better on Android (unsuprisingly). It's a token gesture on iOS.

I could have just listed that, but he goaded me into a longer list :-)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Sorry, but just becuase he says it's better, doesn't make it better! Half of the items on that list don't even exist on IOS - no wonder they don't compare! :-)

Ok, guys - this was not meant to turn into a flame war. I was simply pointing out that with the apps I use that are available on both Android & IOS, the IOS version is better. They apps have more fuctionality and usually a better interface. That is not an opinion - it's a fact - with the apps I use. And I can prove it!

Anywy, let's just drop it - this wasn't my goal of my initial post! None if this is helping anyone.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
Their non-existence doesn't make them a candidate for getting raped by android? I've always heard that Apple has more apps than Android, so why does it not count when the apps are actually useful?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] argie:
I am currently using Netflix with Transformer 16GB and the latest update. Smooth as butter.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Not any more. Infact Apple just got in trouble by advertising standards for continuing to make that claim despite it no longer being true.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bob Smith42:
Yep, Google maps is much better than anything else I have tried.

In addition to the stuff already mentioned, the *ecosystem* is very different between IPAD2 and Android (TF101). Google ecosystem is really strong in the cloud, while Apple ecosystem might be stronger at your home if you owned a bunch of Apple stuff already (timemachine, macbook, etc).

I would like to know other people's opinions on how they use the device with the cloud and at home environments, because this extends far beyond the device specs.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
So, there are now more apps avaiable for Andoid than there are for IOS? If that were the case, I would have thought that it would be all over the news....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
I'm finding that my iPad 1 seemed to be better geared toward business than my Transformer. Hell, I STILL can't connect to my Cisco VPN with Android, which is a major drawback - Something that works out-of-the box with iOS.

I think that' my next hurdle to tackle - getting Android to work with Cisco IPSec w/Pre-shared keys VPN .....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Cohibajoe:
The iPad is a much much mature product then Android. While I hate to admit this it's true. Business apps (VPN,EMAIL,etc) the list is long and grows. I purchase the Transformer cause I believe Android will get there someday. But at this rate I will be forced to buy a iPad for job related work.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Agreed 100% - although, I REFUSE to go back to the iPad! I'll keep on moving forward with Android until I can get VPN working (hopefully soon)! I do miss a few apps, but I can live withtout those... VPN access is a must though!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kalkrishnan:
I "solved" my VPN problem with the built-in Splashtop remote client. I have a laptop at home continuously running, and can connect via VPN using this as the gateway. I know this is cheating, but it works! Bonus is that I can also use Internet Exploder when I need to for certain web sites that insist on HactiveX. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Ahh, good idea! I can't believe I haven't thought of that! Not as elegant as straight-up VPN, but it should work!

Thanks for the idea!!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
You are joking? The media is Apple-centric because that's who has all the money. Same applied to Microsoft, these companies control what the media say.

Pretty much all media outlets (online and newspapers) are paid by advertising, and those with the the biggest advertising budgets get the biggest attention, this rarely means the BEST devices.

It's how it works unfortunately.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
Plus, apples are healthy, and androids eventually will destroy the earth in grey goo.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] LNJ:
Apple has more fart apps than Android!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kalkrishnan:
You could give my Thanks meter a tap ;-) I am sitting at zero :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Done!

Thanks again - good idea!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dr.m0x:
Thanks dude. Saved me from mentioning it. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
when the transformer 2 comes out later this year with tegra 3 chip it will blow the ipad2 out of the water. lets see what the ipad 3 can bring to the table (whenever they do get a ipad 3). but a 2 vs 2..tF2 is going to dominate over ipad 2 and i don't think there are any questions/doubts about that.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerrykur:
Why do you think the tegra 3 will be such as big factor? Software efficiency is key to Apple success. They have created a strictly limited OS that performs very well on the hardware they provide. This has been true since day one of the iPhone, touch, etc. Apple builds hardware that is good enough to provide the user a great experience and Apple a larger profit margin.

People can argue that chip A is better than chip B, but in the end very few end users care how fast a chip is or how much memory the unit has as long as their experience is good.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Apples dominance is not down to what chip it's got, it's down to marketing. Consumers are idiots, rather than wasting their cash on an iPad2, they could have got an Asus Transformer that's higher spec, more open and less money.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] turbulent28:
ipad3 will finally have notifications!........

oh and OTA updates..lets not forget!.............

no more itunes synching. Apple invents it all. Those guys are perfect....

You wait until someone dares and copies these new great inventions. They will...oh, the will....

Apple's looking at you samsung...........
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerrykur:
Well said. Specs and openness really don't matter to 99 out of 100 consumers. Does it work well out of the box is all most people care about.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PaulGG:
Apple iPad just works perfectly with what Apple says it works with, Android works the way you want with what you want. My MacBook pro with lion, leaves Windows standing,but for my phone and tablet, android meets my needs better. But if Google integration, Facebook etc and accessing file structure access are not important Ios would seem impressive. Our android devices mimic Unix and Windows systems in a way we expect,Ios appeals to dumb phone users who see it as a device that bears no relationship with a computer, likewise iPad owners are not looking to replace a laptop , its an iPad to them and does what does, If Apple unifie Ios and OS x as predicted, and give Ios devices the same functionality as OS X then the balance my shift.

At this moment for me its android for my mobile and consumption devices, and Mac for my PC use.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Aelyus:
Wrong, he was right, have you ever used an iPad 2? God knows I love my Transformer but wow, that thing sure was silky smooth.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Eric-1987:
I really hope you are trolling.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Aelyus:
What's sarcasm?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Hmm, I'm actually trying to set this up, but as soon as I connect to my Cisco VPN on the "remote" server, I lose access to that server! How are you getting around this?

Thanks!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
I just bought a Transformer 1. I have iPad 2.

It is not marketing that make iPad 2 great. It is user experience.

Based on my iPad 2 experience, the TF101 UI is not that smooth. And each time I scroll, I scared that Honeycomb will crash (it never crash on me yet) because it seems not smooth compare to iPad 2.

spec is nothing without User Experience.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Everyone makes such a big deal about how "smooth" iOS is.... Yes, it is - but, so what? Most of the time that you are REALLY looking at the screen is when it's NOT scrolling!

I'd rather they spend time on giving the user the ability to do what they want instead of making scrolling even "smoother"!

How smooth the screen scrolls is not as important as having things like USB ports, SD ports, etc.... As least in my opinion! ;-)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] earlyberd:
If that were true, then please kindly explain why Windows came to dominate the PC market, even though it's widely regarded as having a vastly inferior user experience to Mac.

User experience doesn't make up for the fact that the iPad has no expandability and the accessories are overpriced. Most consumers really don't care how fancy the device looks or performs as long as it gets the job done, and this has been proven multiple times in the technology industry; first with PC vs Mac, then with Android phones vs iPhone, and likely again with Android tablets vs iPad.

There's no long-term value to a laptop-sized device that can't utilize expandable storage, external input devices, or the latest high definition outputs. Android offers the same tablet functionality as the iPad, with arguably better cloud storage support, and it does it for cheaper and with more customization options. User experience, on the other hand, is subjective, and most users will be quite content to just work around the minor annoyances with the UI, or they will do the one thing you can do on Android that you can't do on the iPad; they will modify the UI to meet their needs.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
you root the TF and install one of the roms here and your user experience will be equivalent or better than the ipad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tigrev:
OK, let's review.

iPad user experience:

* Smooth scrolling

Android user experience:

* Fully customizable home screens (not that ubiquitous grid-of-icons)

* Widgets

* Directories, downloadable files, drag-and-drop

* Notifications

* HDMI, USB, DLNA, and all those other fun acronyms

* Freedom from iTunes and the frustrations of working around Apple's castle walls

Yeah, come to think of it - spec is nothing without ACTUAL user experience :p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] pas7771:
Rooted TF beat ipad I would say yes...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
Well, I would say > 50% of the time spend on scrolling because you need to scroll to read website. Everytime I scroll, I see boxed and stuttering (to me is stuttering because iPad 2 is just so smooth). LOL.

Actually ports are important. But you don't spend much time using the port. Transfering file can be done with iPad albeit cumbersomely. :P

Well, Galaxy Tab 10.1 don't have ports also. Couple with stuttering, I bet the Galaxy Tab is worse than Asus Transformer.

Well, Windows already swept the world with user friendliness before MAC are user friendly. After world domination of > 90%, you can't just unseat the king right? Software compatibility is too hard to ignore. As well as gaming.

Remember Winmo 6.x. It sucks since PPC. So it can't dominate the world. Apple come in and dominate instead.

I didn't know that. Not in the mood for rooting yet.

Well, there's not really important to customize home screen. You won't stare at home screen all the time. Most of the time, we just open App (browser or game) and get past homescreen. For now, I just have fun looking at Live Water Wallpaper lol.

True, I find it terrible to have no flash. And also, it has wall around it. But picking it up and use it with smooth UI, it feels good. Maybe you should try it some times. Don't hate Apple just because everyone you know hate it. LOL. Last time I also hate it. So I use Winmo 6.5 because of hackability. But after I use Apple, I feel that why bother hacking. Its as good as it is.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Like I said, I do have both and was a die-hard iPad 1 fan. But the limits in the OS are just too many. At first I thought Android sucked - it took me about a week to learn it before I realized it's true potential. Custom ROM's, custom kernels, over-clocking, widgets, etc... There really is no comparison. I'll take the less-smooth-scrolling Android any day now. Really, I could care less how smooth it is when scrolling - Android is certainly smooth enough, especially with some of the replacement launchers out there (ADW EX recommended - it's smooth). Android is just so customizable - you can truly customize your device the way you want it.

But hey, to each their own! The transformer with the keyboard dock is just so awesome compared to the iPad though!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
Only if you're into hacking and stuff. But you know majority are not us that like hacking stuff. Even now I feel troublesome to hack due to compatibility issue.

Yeah, Transformer is awesome. I love 80's Transformers and now I love Asus Transformer. I was in doubt to buy Galaxy Tab 10.1 or Asus Transformer. I glad I pick up Asus. Galaxy is like iPad (without port) although much more customization.

Hurray to Asus.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] parmend:
Im selling my iPad 2 . It's way over hyped . My 4 yr old daughter had more fun with it than me and my wife . All we did was surf the web with it .
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
There's nothing wrong just surfing with iPad 2. Its for Pick-it-Up and surf the net device.

Its just that you don't realise what tablet are for. :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] parmend:
No nothing wrong with that . but if I pay 500 plus dollars for a device you kinda expect it to be laptop "like" .