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[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Shankill:
I'm sorry, but I have to pull you up on this. I live a fairly boring life. I go to work, I go home, I go out for dinner - normal, boring things. I don't perv anymore than my partner, I don't cheat except at video games, and I'm not afraid of getting caught because there's nothing really to catch me at.

I just don't want any company, big or small, or any developer, big or small, to have the capability of knowing where I go. I don't explicitly tell them where I live, so why should they be able to know where I sleep at night or work during the day? (And don't say they can't easily work that out - timestamps alongside location data make it piss easy.)

I'm not paranoid. I just like my privacy. And I'd like to maintain that privacy. I know no one's going to be snooping around to find my location and track me down. Because who am I? Big scheme of things, I'm nobody, and I have little to fear. Besides, the data's anonymised, and if it isn't, hey, I can ask them why not since they promised to.

It's more than that, too - I have a right to protect my private information. And they do not have a right to take my information without my knowledge. Which is why I read the EULAs and the T&Cs. I consciously make the decision whether or not to share my location. I know what I'm getting into. Most people don't.

But let's boil down the whole concept. Would you like it if some guy just started noting everywhere you've been? If you take the phone and the technology out of the equation - imagine if your friend wrote down everywhere you were, then just popped it all in an envelope and sent it to developers and companies.

Maybe that will help get the concept across, because far too many people think privacy is for criminals and the paranoid. It's not. It's someone being in control of who knows what about him or her.

I mean, if you don't bother with privacy, why bother with locks and doors? You'd be okay with me watching you go to the toilet, yeah? Surely you wouldn't mind.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] diesburg:
Well said!!! and if a criminal were smart..... you know, someone way upt here, like someone wanted for murder..... they wouldnt touch a phone.... i know if i were wanted for murder... i sure as hell wouldnt touch a phone..... or a computer....and if this technology is used to track someone like that... most are gonna get smart and know not to use it.... so it will do little good for criminals in the long run....
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] evolutionqy7:
Well think of it. iPhone was collecting the data on your phone. Means any one could access it.

Windows Phone 7 doesnt do that. It sends it off to Microsoft.

And if you dont want this turn of sending feedback and location services.

Your being provided a free mapping service. You still moan?

Their not going to make mapping better unless they find out what was horrible and what was good and how it works in billions of places around the world.

If finally if you dont want this to happen buy a dumb phone for 50 euro that wont have mapping and other crap so it wont track your boring little life...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Shankill:
Hey, I'm not moaning. I'm just trying to stop people from using stupid arguments about how privacy doesn't matter. I'm on my second Android phone, and I think I might go WP7 once Nokia's pushed a few out. I'm happy using a smartphone. As I said, I read the EULAs and the T&Cs. I know what I'm doing and getting into.

All that said, don't think for one minute that just because it's free means that we have to give up our privacy. That's one business model. It's one flawed business model out of so many, flawed or otherwise, and it's one we accept because it's easier to.

And some people will always defend what requires the least effort.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] T-Macgnolia:
I was not going to get into this but I have got to tell you. If you think that this info they collect is collected with the soul purpose of making maps better, you are very naive indeed.

How long have GPS devices been on the market now world wide? I would say for a decade or more.

How long has aviation been using GPS? a lot longer then smartphones I can tell you that.

If they are collecting this info from everyone that has a smartphone with the respected OS then just how much location information is needed? I mean the amount of people that have smartphones is massive meaning the in formation collected is also massive. Just how much more detailed can be added to Being and Google maps. Also where is Apple's Map that their collected information goes too, hmmmmm?

I mention the above two fact to point out we have been mapping the planet earth with very precise info for a very long time. Sop any map should be very up to date without this location tracking, period.

Besides getting street level information why did Google send people in vehicles with GPS devices and cameras if they can get the information they need from this location tracking and logging?

If you do not think the OS development companies are not using this to make money off of you just carrying your device around then you need to do some research. They are selling this information to all kinds of companies for all sorts of purposes. I am not even going to get into the "Big Brother" aspect of it, but yes there is a Big Brother, again do a little research and you will find plenty of information on such a thing.

This location tracking and other information harvesting, oh yeah they are not just keep track of your location, is a clear and utter violation of ones personal right to privacy no matter how you look at it. I mean come on use a little logical thinking here and don't just go through life thinking everything is legit and good, cause it is not.

The information collected from smartphones is the kind of information that can be used to direct peoples purchases, beliefs, personal opinions, and etc you just name it. We are creatures influenced by our environment and teachings and advertising companies know this as well as the above mentioned "Big Bother" groups.

Anyway back on subject, the data that is being collected is way over the limit of what could be called data to improve any network, maps, services, or anything else you can think of.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
Of course it is, its not just smart phones either we all generate a silly amount of data each day all of which can be sold to someone. The reality is there is no difference between what is actually happening with the different phones, however it is a point of concern that the iphone keeps that info on its device, as too with many TomTom sat nav units as it happens, just doesnt seem nessary to me, once the data has been transmitted there is little point keeping more than the last couple of locations.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] evolutionqy7:
Because things change...What your gonna take the data that everyone had from 1980's and use that. Come on if you really think that everything is out there already and you dont need tracking. Well then go buy a TomTom that cant send out any info outside your GPS unit.

Your getting a free service. Companies try to improve it because one GPS vehicle cant travel around every single little arse hole of nowhere. It cant get as accurate results in varieties of devices as a 100 users in one area.

What you say makes no sense. If your concerned about your privacy. Forget about using phones and any other electronic communication device because they all do the same thing. Its just a matter of fact to do some digging. Any one with some knowledge can find some info of what your doing and when. Just a matter of fact of finding out how and when....

Your getting a free great service. Their not seeing pictures of you naked in a shower. Your just one dot on a screen...Who cares? Even nokia can track you on their dumb phones. Find out where you are and what your doing if they want
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] suxelexus:
Shady

--I completely agree with what Macgnolia is saying here.

Take a quick look at whats happening in the world right now, the forces behind it, and you'll start to notice that yes, big brother is very real. It doesn't matter if I have anything to hide...the point is, I couldn't hide if I wanted to. Can't hide where I go, how I spend, what I do, how I do it, what I like...pretty soon my phone will be linked to my credit card, which will eventually replace the cash in my pocket. Will probably eventually be linked to the chip in my passport. Internet emails/messages as well as phone & cell convos are filtered and observed in great masses daily. Think the internet giants such as Google, Apple and Microsoft have no part in this?? Call me paranoid and I'll call you daft.

"The information collected from smartphones is the kind of information that can be used to direct peoples purchases, beliefs, personal opinions, and etc you just name it. We are creatures influenced by our environment and teachings and advertising companies know this as well as the above mentioned "Big Bother" groups."

-Couldn't have said it better myself. Marketing works right into the psyche; persuading the way we think, behave and our personalities...

To say the least, the very nature of this practice, even more so that its not deemed by the system as fraudulent, invasive and unethical business, is disturbing to me.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] suxelexus:
--So wait a second, I dish out nearly a grand for a device mass produced in China at a fraction of the cost, then in turn, as a 'great service' to me i get to loose my privacy as well? You talk about this service as if its some charity event..let me assure you, theyre getting alot more out of it than you are w/ ur directions at no cost. you are more than just a dot and ur privacy is worth alot more than you give credit to.

"he that would sacrifice their liberty for a little security deserves neither and will loose both.."
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] samsamuel:
In answer to post such as " they're providing a service with it" that's rubbish, the service is just a handy by product of the data. Big corps and various entities started building big databases years before anyone had a half clue what to do with it, cos they knew someone would. Plus it gets used and reused, so today's useful mapping data is tomorrows targeted add data

Today it might be a targeted txt when you arrive at a shopping centre, 25 years from now the databases built on that starting point are driving personalised active billboards in the street, bus, train, newspapers,email, IM, bombarding you with the same ad wherever you are, day after day, cos that particular company is desperate for your business, whilst those around you get a free preview into your life from the ads you get shown.

That data, currently protected by this or that law will still be there once the law changes to allow its unfettered use.

As to the " but its anonymised" yea right, each phone generates a unique identifier, so all it takes is for someone to find your phones identifier, and they can match that to the DB. Also, wasn't there a film rental company in the us a year or two back that ran some harvesting program, completely anonymised,perfectly safe,,, took about three days from the release of the data after the program ended for someone to start identifying people.(I'll look it up and edit accordingly when I get home.)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] T-Macgnolia:
Do you not realize we have satellites that circle the Earth everyday that can zoom in and read your tag number on your car? Any kind of updated information they need for mapping purposes can be obtained by using numerous satellites that or orbiting our planet. Heck this is how the first maps that Google and Being made where put together, why change how they do it?

Please define free......really! If you take into account you are losing your right to privacy, then no it is not free. You are losing more than just your right to privacy too, but that is for a far more in depth discussion.

This is true you can find out numerous things about someone if you know how to do the proper research on someone. But just because you can do it does not mean it is right. This mundane acceptance of things that people know logically is not right but is still accepted because of the mentality of, "Oh well that is just the way it is so I have to accept it". To me this is pure crap and just people further conforming to the molds and ideals that have been set in place by the the before mentioned "Big Brother" groups. If society refuses to except something it will never be, but if society excepts it then it is thought of as the norm and never questioned. Also just because I question these practices I should not be able to enjoy the advantages of modern technology? I do not agree with this statement, technology is suppose to make life easier not used to control the masses, and that is what this location tracking is all about. Do not get it twisted.

Again with the free service, come on man really. Just because they say it is just location information does not mean that is so. I mean there is no limit to the amount of information that can be harvested from your device or computer without your knowledge and no trace of what information was harvested or how, when, and who harvested it. Apple, Google, and Microsoft have just now come to light the amount of location tracking they are doing even though anyone that reads the T&C's our sets up their smartphone should know some location tracking is going on. But we are now aware of the massive scale it is being done. So no telling what else we do not is being collected yet. i am positive we will see more come to light, but it will be via the internet not mainstream media I promise you that.

I have something I want you to seriously look into but i am sure I do not need to post it here in the forums so I am sending you a PM with it.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] evolutionqy7:
Yeah well if you haven't noticed mapping services got quite a lot more features than they did years ago. And satellite images dont provide as much details and data needed to make it more reliable and more rich.

Its like saying to a dev i wont test your app. You should know what works when and how and what doesnt. Thats not always the case. Theres always gonna be a chance of that 1 person and that 1 bug. More data helps to provide more accurate results for these services.

I told you all. If your not happy with this. Dont use anything that has any sort of mobile communication system on you. You can all be traced if some one really cared. Dont forget even sim cards are traceable. So if you are that important and some one really wants to find you. Guess what. They can

Second theres law against this info getting out of the platform holders hands. I believe you should read more carefully into your T&C's when you start up your phone or purchase it. Its all there in black and white.

Dont agree to it. Dont buy it or use it. No one is forcing you. Its like a contract you dont like the terms dont sign it.

Im sure you can use Google services that break your privacy concerns even more. Apple is doing monitoring as well. Im sure theres ways other companies collect data also

So the moral. Dont like it or dont agree to it. Dont use it. Simple as.

Millions of people couldn't give a ****. I dont either. Im not hiding anything, and if the data i provide will help to improve services ill be happy to provide it as im sure in the long term it will make it more stable and cut the costs down for us.

Which is cheaper?

Sending a fleet of cars around the world with expensive monitoring equipment or getting data of the actual users with the feedback?

And finally there

http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-ph...v-t-request?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] T-Macgnolia:
You just don't get it..........

I clicked on your link and doenloaded the 9 page PDF file. This comes straight from it.

Notice the a and the b? This is clever way of creating a preconception of order or importance. The letter A comes before B so therefore your mind associates the statement labeled A more important than the statement labeled B. But if you look at the statement labeled B you see that if an application request location data your location data will be logged.

I could set here and break down the whole 9 pages of PDF but I will not do that. You just don't get it though and I feel sure you never will. You say nobody gives a #@$*. Well yes in general majority of people do not give a #@$* and that is the problem, more people, like me and a few others in this thread, should start giving a #@$* and standing up for whats right and not just except things as they are, but try to bring about change in the world.

Her is a link for anyone else that is interested in reading the PDF on Microsoft's response to the U.S. Government's request and a link for the Windows® Phone 7 Privacy Statement
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] evolutionqy7:
Lol your a poor paranoid man, it doesn't even track the exact location, next update will remove the device ID as well :)

Good luck in the future.

Cause even your house is going to start tracking you.

Your car will.

EVERYTHING. So go on and hide in the corner hopefully no one can find you there :)

Good Lad!!! :cool: Your statements and conspiracy theories you sent me in Pm's are LMFAO. Im out
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] samsamuel:
funny you should mention it...

microsoft_household_surfaces_become_control_panels
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] niteman1969:
I honestly don't mind if the phone is being tracked, in fact if it helps me find some scumbag who has stolen it, or lock it down myself from ms winphone7 website then

I think it is a good idea.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] samsamuel:
There is no need at all for tracking for those abilities. RemoteTracker can do that and so much more (wipe the contacts, wipe the sd card, make teh phone unuseable, alert you to sim change, GPS track and then email/tct/ftp you the results... and so very very much more)

Sadly its only for winmo, but the point being made is that there is no need to track a phone to do that stuff.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] suxelexus:
Ignorant or just dumb??

-Aren't you the rude prick? This forum was created to express ur views and opinions, and by any means, as daft as you may be, have the right to do so as well...but keep the insults to yourself mate.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] banjax:
It's sooooo funny how people like yourself got themselves into the position whereby they treat themselves as the righteous ones, the leaders of modern society, the young well-educated urban professionals spreading the word of the bright new world and doing so with the firm belief that it is to the best of all of us.

So, soon enough you won't have to worry about anything because some government or corporation will make sure that you get up at the right time, do the right amount and type of work, get home in time to have enough rest and don't have to worry about any choices in the world where liberty becomes a synonym for "freedom to change the TV channel".

Close you eyes and walk bravely into the "Bright New World" ... It's so unfunny how the great republican spirit that founded the USA had been conquered by the devils of democracy that spoil the people to stop thinking about themselves or their liberties because... because they "elect" government that will think about them on their behalf.

When you wake up with another Stalin or Mussolini looking after yourself please remember - You have been warned.

Now you can carry on with the mantra of paranoid conspiracy theories... or you can actually read something more about changes that are happening in the relations between the states and the people on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Something more than watching mainstream media news feeds.

Thinking is actually harder than some people make it... and that's probably why so many people prefer to repeat what they see/hear on TV. But own thinking is truly much more rewarding so I always encourage people to try it.

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BTW,

HE Barrak Obama the President of the USA had said a couple of days ago in the UK something about Magna Carta - the great list of liberties from the medieval times that are to be upheld and defended across the world by the countries like the USA or the UK.

He even specifically referred to the famous "Habeas Corpus" law, which basically meant "no one could be held indefinitely without a trial and conviction by the court because every man has own body" (no state or king can rule of someone's body). At the same time, the first country that actually legally abolished Magna Carta's "Habeas Corpus" was the US, where if you are suspected of terrorism you have no body and can be held for as long as the state sees fit. Hasn't the UK joint this too?

The next Stalin or Mussolini will most likely be disguised as a state that cares for security of their citizens.... Now, ... how did we start this thread? Wasn't it about monitoring people's movements?

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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smiles.smiley:
My phone is screwed and I can't enter recovery mode as it will just boot loops when I do the 3 buttons combo. Used to be able to get into recovery mode without any issue before though.

I can't boot my phone too. But as much as I know, my phone is safe as long as it can go into Download Mode. Reflash to stock ROM seems to be the option but with any computer, the error USB not recognized occurs. I cannot get any computers in this world to recognize my phone.

Sent it to repairs in some local stores, they are unable to figure it out too. Anyone can tell me what to do?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azzledazzle:
so you have tried every PC in the world ?? that must of been time-consuming.

have you been into device manager and check what it says under your USB connection ?

what ROM was you using before this happened as many custom ROMs now use nexus s drivers. perhaps you could try those ??
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smiles.smiley:
I was using stock deodexed JVK. Not really but I have tried every possible computers I could come by. lol.

JJEgan suggested USBDeview to me but I failed to understand what he was trying to explain to me.

I haven't went to check out device manager but I have a feeling my phone isn't samsung anymore lol. somewhat like a wipe out?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azzledazzle:
i dont know what USBDeview is. but im sure they will be some sort of tutorial on google.

press the reset button of doom, its under the back cover between the camera and speaker.

if you dont fancy your chances then just try the nexus drivers. if they have changed (which some roms change them from samsung drivers) then that could be why your phone is not detected.

try also cleaning the USB lead, check there are no bent pins, cuts to the cord, dust in the connector. same goes for the female on your device.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smiles.smiley:
If I press the reset button, what's gonna happen.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azzledazzle:
the clue is in the name lol
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smiles.smiley:
my phone gets screwed up even more? haha. So my only option now is to try the Nexus S driver?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] electrotune1200:
I don't think it's really a button :p

But please do tell me if I'm wrong.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smiles.smiley:
Is this what I'm supposed to look for? http://developer.android.com/sdk/win-usb.html