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[Epic 4G General] edonnelly:
Oh my, thanks for that. We can't pass that up (totally new contract). If it doesn't have 2.2, I'll just go ahead and root it and put Syndicate on it.

With regard to the question the OP asked, I suppose my answer is that, yes, I would buy another Epic, at least right now. I've looked around at what Sprint currently has, and there's nothing I'd rather have than the Epic. The keyboard doesn't mean as much to me as I thought it would, but I'd still prefer the Epic to the Evo. I'm not sure the upcoming Nexus S is much better than the Epic. Now, once the Evo 3D comes out, that might be something to look at, but that's months away. I have no plans or desires to switch phones, but have been looking a lot to help someone else, and I'm glad that I discovered that the Epic is still the phone to get if you're tied to Sprint (company discount).
[Epic 4G General] bohiti:
If the keyboard doesn't mean that much to you, you might as well wait little over a week for the nexus, for the better form factor alone. I guess you're weighing price vs size & software support, all other things being almost equal.
[Epic 4G General] edonnelly:
Well, the new phone isn't for me; but as I was looking for someone else, I considered what I would or wouldn't want if I were buying a phone right now. The Nexus S will be $199, I believe, or 10 times what the Epic is right now --- I'd have to think long and hard about whether the Nexus S, with no SD card, really has that much more to offer than the Epic.
[Epic 4G General] babystewie:
I love my keyboard and I love my phone. It's been very worth getting. Of course, I've had 4g since day 1.
[Epic 4G General] minics04:
Thanks for all the input.

I think I will go ahead and get one for her.

Cheers!!!:)
[Epic 4G General] bgchz:
Epic is the best phone i've ever had. Coming from the samsung moment, there isn't a better more stable phone than the epic on sprint with the keyboard.. I'm a phone geek so I know I'll jump on the next phone coming with my upgrade to week away, but I won by selling my epic that's for sure
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
Never again
[Epic 4G General] minics04:
I'm going to go ahead and get it for her.

Couple more questions:

1. Can I sell her HTC Touch Pro 2 after I get the new phone?

2. If so, besides a hard reset, is there anything else to do before I sell it?

3. When I activate the new phone, does that mean the HTC Touch Pro has a clean ESN? (Our account is always in good standing)

Again, Thanks for everyone's input!!!!!!!:)
[Epic 4G General] BrianDigital:
My girl.hates her stock.epic. For various reasons from.the keyboard, and having to.restart her.phone to open pandora
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
My gf hates her epic too. It feels to cheap to her and the keyboard skips presses. She really really wants her evo back lol were in the process of selling it to get an evo
[Epic 4G General] tpike:
Got my epic on release day and loved it. Now that I'm modding it I longer it even more! The near best phone I've ever owned. Yes I would get it again.
[Epic 4G General] herbthehammer:
If it were me, I'd take her with me to the store and see if she thought the evo shift was okay or too small. I had the shift from day one and it hasn't had one single problem out of the box. It's a solid built phone, the keyboard doesn't lag, the keyboard drawer doesn't have sloppy play in it like the epic, and stock it has the best battery life. The keys were smaller and closer together but I made less typing mistakes with it. Because of my bad eyesight, I thought trying to read the screen was sometimes difficult.

This was just my experience and opinion. I'm not saying that it is the gospel truth.

If I had to do it all over again would I buy another epic? No I would not. I don't hate it, I just didn't care for it's quirks and especially Samsbung screwing up and releasing very late updates (that acted more buggy than the previous version). Even though I'm thinking about a nexus s, I still think samsung is a half assed company. What you see is what you get. Don't hold your breath waiting for product updates.

http://www.phonedog.com/2011/02/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-review-by-aaron/
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
If she wants a keyboard get the epic. I love mine.

Sent From My Evo Killer!!
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
the htc evo shift is a quality option...

the battery life is FAR FAR better than the epic...

it also has more support from HTC and xda is on top of it for that device already running cyanogen and plenty of good reliable roms (mikshift) and kernels...

it overclocks RELIABLY to 1.5ghz (ran it everyday...i wont overclock the epic AT ALL)

things i didn't like about the shift

and these are my ONLY complaints:

1)no dedicated row for the numbers on the keypad (you have to press FN key twice to lock in the use of numbers) the keyboard is still truly great however.

2)you cant edit the label for an individual contacts separate numbers like on the epic

3)no hope for video out...ever...device doesn't support this feature

4)the lcd display sits well below the glass compared to the epic...the epic screen is 3d in comparison to the evo shift...visually everything on the screen pops for the epic however the shifts smaller 3.6" screen with the same resolution is quite pretty and deserves praise.

5)if you disconnect from a network and enter email app you get an annoying popup saying it cant connect...on the epic email will always open up back where you left it regardless of data session activity...however if you download email but dont open them prior to disconnecting you cannot view the email on the epic...whereas on the shift you do not have to open an email before ending your session to actually be able to open and read it.

6)if you are a serious programmer (as in flashing to boost...repairing esn's...) the shift is on full lockdown...and is quite the pain in the ass with rolling addresses that will actually change while you are viewing them.

7)the volume buttons are more centrally located on the left side...you will hit the volume down button on a regular basis (it can be remapped to not do anything which i found convenient)

8)the usb port is on the left (what f'ing idiot thought this was a great idea???) sorry i'm left handed...i bought 90 degree microUSB cables and it pretty much solved my issue with this.

if i did not have to use numbers on the keyboard all day doing repetitive data entry at work...i would NEVER EVER have looked back to the epic...

even with 7 other shortcomings comparatively to the epic...its leaps and bounds in the reliability department

head over to the shift forum on xda and check out how little happens there...because there is no f'ing need to be posting on xda all day looking for solutions...IT'S ALREADY DONE!!!

The EVO Shift Delivers In Ways The Epic Wishes

coming back to the epic using it daily and already spending most of its time receiving flashes makes me laugh at most of the people who bestow pride in their handheld device

this is me hoping i have finally found something actually stable that wont require a flash this week or next week as its ALWAYS been with the epic...owned one end of 2010

just installed ec05 ReRFS with DRockstar Kernel and ec05 modem

we shall see...fingers crossed...fully knowing something will likely go sour

if this device can make it through 2 weeks without a flash i will sell the shift

asking $230-$280
[Epic 4G General] humdrum2009:
No doubt

This is the best phone i have ever owned.

Samsung sucks at updates, but they rock at hardware.

It is still one of the fastest phones on the market dual core or not.

Customizing makes it even better for me.

My next phone will probably, be a dual core Dev phone so i am not dependent on Samsung, or Sprint for updates.:)
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
Get the epic. I bought it for my wife as well. She loves it. Do the very basic root and acs syndicate rom fully loaded install and install the keyboard patch. You will have great battery life, longer than the evo shift and the phone will be really really fast.

If you want the battery to last longer just download setcpu and lower your processor speeds to 200 to 400 when screen is off :) works wonders.

I also have an epic and use it for business and the exchange sync is amazing. :)

If you do wait for anything i would say do it for the price of epic to drop alittle but dont wait for newer phones,. There will be none with keyboards anytime soon runing android.

The trend for dual cores seems to be to keep them super thin and add keybord docks.
[Epic 4G General] FrameCityJackal:
Go to radioshack, I believe the epic is 149.99 or 199.99 for an upgrade.....I haven't seen any cool new keyboard phones in a while
[Epic 4G General] Fantastic.Ergo:
For the price the Epic is now. I would defenetly go for it. I paid premium for it and was very disapointed, plus the specs back then had a little more beef than what it turned out to be. However I still love it and have a lot of fun in it.

Have fun!
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
the epic battery life does not breach upon the shifts consumption using the same modifications and clock speeds....NOT EVEN CLOSE...

they are also currently the same price...however i believe the shift is currently out of stock...

which i'm not suprised at one bit...

there is a reason...i wouldn't buy an epic...based on past experience

people who originally dropped many hundreds of dollars on an epic will stop at nothing to try and mentally fool themselves into believing it is worth it by convincing you its such a great device...

comparitively...the shift is the obvious choice if you are an xda member or in any kind of knowledge of how to optimize an android device...which is much easier even in that regard with the shift...in my opinion
[Epic 4G General] dandrumma:
I would still buy an Epic based on the screen quality alone.
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
Ive seen the worst days of the epic and right now there is no reason why anyone should choose a shift unless they want a crappy keyboard with a smaller screen which is nothing close to the visual quality as the epics. GPS lock issues are gone for most as well. I had horrible gps and keyboard errors and now all that is gone. So how is the evo shift better? Give us op some specifics. What does dropping hundreds of dollars have anything to do with why the epic is not your choice of phone? Really? Who cares what we speant on it before and the problems the phone did have? How is that even relevant to the initial question? We are giving feedback on the devices current state. Seems like your a little bitter. Peace be with you. :)
[Epic 4G General] parabola949:
Yep, I'd still buy this phone. Without question.
[Epic 4G General] raylusk:
If you can live without a keyboard wait a few days and get the nexus s 4g.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Thread cleaned and infractions given. Racism is NOT tolerated on XDA. Thank you.
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
Thank You :)
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
if making a burrito is considered racial you have a beautiful view of the world that isn't shared by ANY

if this is referring to mexican i gather....

mexican is not a race...but congratulations on dipping your OWN pride a little lower

but it is nice to know the level of IGNORANCE that i am amongst (particularly concerning moderation) when it comes to limiting my freedom of speech and making ANY assumptions of words or tone on an INTERNET FORUM!!!

YOUR A MEXICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BECAUSE FACTS ARE LOUDER THAN WORDS....AREN'T THEY????

HOW COULD I KNOW?

HOW COULD I KNOW?

IS CALLING SOMEONE WHO IS MEXICAN A MEXICAN RACIST?????

you mexican!!!

can you see the tone of equality that i portray in any way shape or form?

or shall we just go strait to the court room?

before you ban me...

consider one thing

i am here as a positive force...i stand for good things

i should not be accused of racism for non racist remarks and i deserve to be treated as fairly as the next person

you can act like i was not pushed over false claims...but you will have to lie to your self to do so...

because this person accused me of a lie i did not tell

if they are entitled to deem mexicans as a race...then i am entitled to tell someone to make a burrito...

you want to classify people...but i cannot?

who is the racist, who exactly brought race into this equation?

it was not me

stereotypes do not equal race...especially when that stereotype was only a race for one year in 1930....

as a solution i offer information and knowledge on the behalf OF EVERYONE

you want a better map of what dictates who, how, and what people are

look into blood types...if you see the map of how blood types spread...you see a more accurate depiction of the world you wish you can describe

but then again...all this relies on human perception and INTERPRETATION...

...rather than the after effects of a world catastrophe like an asteroid impacting the earth and creating pigmentation of the skin of masses of people while some were hidden underground...

in the end...making a burrito is not derogatory...however i would agree that slavery is...but we all work for someone dont we?

so now we are all slaves...a race of slaves...

AND BURRITOS ARE STILL DELICIOUS!!!

whoever labels people as a race...must believe there's a winner

i prefer FACTS over OPINION

thank you for your time your honor...and thank you for the courts time...and the peoples time...and my time

and yes...as you may have predicted...i am B Negative...but thats not a crime is it?
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
Breathe. :)

Why did you say make a burrito? My user name is Juan..... is that not a hispanic name?.... Are burritos not a reference to hispanics in your terms mexicans? Come on, you really think you can prove your not acting in a racist manner? You can disagree with someone by being civil not making racist remarks. Funny thing is most people who are racist believe they are not racist. Interesting? A simple apology would have been fine, Instead of denying what you wrote and the context in which you wrote it.
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
is asking me to be more specific when i layed out ALL the specifics in my previous post CIVIL to you?

are people supposed to drop everything and SERVE you what you want when you want it even when they already made you a "BURRITO" and you act like its just not there?

lack of appreciation comes in many forms....not just when some stupid ass white guy behind capital hill decides who should be "A RACE OF PEOPLE" based on NOTHING factual about the actual physics of the individual...other than the location of their birth
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
Your funny how you avoid the facts. :) Why use burrito? Being civil is referring to your remarks in the post of racism. You were being rude, were you not? Was I rude to you? Its ok i guess in the end you will think how you think. have a great day xda friend. :)

Anyone ever watch bait car when they take the guy out of the car and he ask why he stole the car and they say " I didn't steal this car, i was borrowing it and was going to move it so nobody would steal it". Man thats a funny show. Epic 4g is worth the money. i love mine and my wife loves hers. :D
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
why avoid the facts?

why ask me to be more specific when i already am specific...always...

you brought this on yourself...i did not pick anyone out of the crowd...

YOU PICKED ME..."LIKE A LOCKED CAR IN THE MALL PARKING LOT" AND ITS ALL IN RIGHT THERE IN THE POSTS ABOVE

i prefer to lump people together as much as they lump themselves together...while respecting their beliefs...that they have CHOSEN

in this case...i am referring to samsung epic owners (of which i am one)

AND THAT GIVES ME A RIGHT TO SHED LIGHT ON THIS SCENARIO OF FOOLS

because i am one...just like you

maybe you should take a breath...BUDDDDAAAYYY!!!!!

and maybe you should reconsider making demands of those around you before they make one of you

its not nice is it?
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
Chill guys Chill
[Epic 4G General] cholepuree1:
back on topic. for $20 - get the epic. else, wait. Nexus S - gingerbread - Gtalk video....
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
I love pandas !!!! :)
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
The only downside to the Epic for keyboard lovers is that you have to hack the damn phone to make the keyboard usable. On stock Froyo the keyboard is just about useless if you type too quickly. Other than that, does your wife really need all the speed of a dual core phone that isn't even out yet? The Epic is plenty fast enough. She's just got to be cool with you ROMming it to fix all of Sprint and Sammy's screw ups.

And for the record, I'm mostly of Italian descent but a full blooded American. And I love me some burrito goodness just as much as I love baked ziti and cheeseburgers... So get over the flame wars and go get something to eat. You guys seem cranky, some food may help.
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
why is the word ASIAN in yellow?

yellow should be banned on xda except for the logo and "post reply" button

after all it is THIS SITES IDENTITY and nobody should compromise that inborn right with thier mockery of insinuation of what else yellow might mean
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
Did you really take a picture that says "Don't Be Racist" in it's first line

as a racist comment .... wow
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
For some reason my wifes phone originally not touched running stock dk28 before root and other things, the keyboard was perfect and her GPS was amazing. Only after i started rooting and placing roms on her phone did she need the keyboard patch. But agree completely that keyboard patch is definitely needed and to OP of the thread, My wife is non tech savy and even without overclocking or rooting / moding the phone she loves the phone for just e-mail,text,facebook,cookbooks and minimal gaming (angry birds and Stupid Zombies). Dual cores would not be worth waiting for. Funny thing, just the other day I asked my wife " is the phone any faster than before?" answers was "I can't tell but the battery last Longer". :)
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
and in the end ... thats what matters...and in the end...the shift has better battery life and is more reliable...and in the end...THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID SPECIFICALLY...

look your wife loves me more than you...and you just admitted it...live on national internet forums

but if ec05 pans out these $12.95 (ebay) 3500mah 4 month+ batteries aren't a horrible option for the epic as the total weight (heft) will still be probably less than the shift stock

and the hardware is there

time will tell (you hermaphrodite hooker from quarensville)

i dont know whats more rediculous...someone thinking i am racist or someone like you who believes xda is a race of people because its logo is yellow
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
You need it. :D
[Epic 4G General] eigerzoom:
thats "epicly" fitting for me

because i'm from boston and i died there...once

do you hear the voices in the flowing river?

what are they telling you to do?
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
Back on Topic...

If i didn't have a contract it would be the nexus4g... no doubt it rapes this phone overall IMO even with "Identical" hardware aside from camera
[Epic 4G General] mlin:
I would wait to see what's up with the galaxy s2. If oyster coming out soon I say it would be worth the wait over settling for an epic 4g

Tapa tapa tapa
[Epic 4G General] cunnyrydah:
Yes. Definitely. More than capable. Only thing better are the dual core phones spec wise. I don't recall seeing a dual core qwerty on the horizon. Keep in mind dual core is ahead of the game so it will be a better investment overall. Evo 3D. I've had every major android phone to date save for the Nexus S which is a Galaxy S basically. I must say I love the Epic. Great screen. Great keyboard. Fast and responsive. Sleek modest look. Great choice had mine the day after it launched and couldn't be happier. (Midnight ROM BYOR 5.2 ext4 Voodoo Sound 1.2ghz overclock)
[Epic 4G General] coolqf:
EPIC4g highlights:

-Fastest CPU in the Sprint current Sprint lineup

-Lowest priced 4G phone on Sprint

-Keyboard

-It's still supported and will be getting the next OS update

They keyboard issue.... I use to have it, but I also used custom ROMs a lot. I finally decided to just go back to full stock and the lag has gone away.

Sure, newer and better phones will be coming out, but that's always the case. The new phones wont be at the same price of the current EPIC 4G, so you will be paying more for the newer phones and they will not have keyboards. Not the ones around the corner anyway. So.... Is the wait worth it?
[Epic 4G General] D623:
This phone is good but one thing I hate is a crappy ass battery life. But I learn to live with it. I'll be selling this for the evo 3d once it drops.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Battery life is excellent with a custom ROM/kernel.
[Epic 4G General] Sesquipedalian:
If she loves the TP2 keyboard, she'll hate the Epic keyboard. It drops letters so frequently, it makes you want to throw it against the wall. It might as well not have a keyboard.

Otherwise, for me, the upgrade was great in every way. I don't miss anything from my TP2 except the keyboard.
[Epic 4G General] juanaraya92679:
Agreed. :) acs team really nailed it on saving battery life.
[Epic 4G General] larryv1979:
I would wait till summer with the htc evo 3d or the samsung galaxy 2 even at that i would prefer the nexus phone coming out next month all the same specs pre loaded with gingerbread if you prefer not having the slide out qwerty keyboard
[Epic 4G General] Wildheathen0341:
I had purchased mine on the release date back in August & for some reason I've never experienced any of the little quirks or issues others have seem to had. My physical keyboard is still very responsive as is my touch screen, the sliding mechanism is still sturdy with hardly any play. Now after 8 months it doesn't quite feel brand new anymore but I think that's expected. Also since the update she's become much faster. Best camera on a phone period and I think the most versatile device on the market still. I had owned an Evo Shift only because I was tired of waiting for the updated OS & I love the keyboard but I had given it to my son & went back to my Epic. You just can't replace the Super AMOLED screen with anything but, not to mention the Epic's keyboard is also good plus I haven't seen or heard of any new dual core phones being released with a physical board.
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
Went back to my Treo Pro. Got tired of crap battery life, buggy software updates and just plain tired of the phone in general. Sold it for a little less than i paid for it. Now just waiting for something better down the pipeline, something really serious and most likely pure google.
[Epic 4G General] cunnyrydah:
If you don't want the keyboad buy the Nexus S or the Evo 3D if you need the keyboard this is the best phone with a QWERTY almost on par with the TP2...almost.
[Epic 4G General] Glewis21:
yes i wood cuz its real easy yo root and to fixs if u mess it up
[Epic 4G General] thizzmaster:
**** no. this phone has more problems than our government its more than I can handle, getting rid of it first chance I get when nexus comes out
[Epic 4G General] thizzmaster:
bumpity bump bump
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
Wife picked up a Nexus today. Still love my Epic. Stock for stock the Nexus is a better phone but my rooted Epic will still hold me over until my contract runs up in a year and a half or so.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
I think the Nexus is a sexy phone. Two things about it though keep me from having phone envy, no keyboard and not being able to upgrade/swap mass storage memory. Finally had to order a 32GB card yesterday as I filled up the stock one. Ever since the Voodoo sound got added to custom kernals, I can't seem to stop from putting more and more music and videos on my phone. For a typical user though, 16GB is usually more than enough for most people.
[Epic 4G General] cpcormier3:
Wouldn't buy this phone after all the trouble I've had. I just can't wait for my upgrade. This is the first Samsung phone I've had and it will definitely be the last.
[Epic 4G General] tpike:
Issues like???