yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
I don't recall anything specifically about the camera being said at all.....

The post you're talking about was another example of someone talking out of their ass. They refused to say anything specific and were just like "oh my friend knows things and he said we're in for a treat"

When asked what he was talking about he wouldn't actually give ANY details...

I'm looking for the post now
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12678222&postcount=443

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12667001&postcount=423

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12667512&postcount=426

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12687901&postcount=457

all from around this point onward....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1007811&page=43

Just vague bs.... People trying to sound like they are "in the know"
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Lol! Wow, someone does there homework :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
hahah just trying to show that the search button DOES work :P
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Search button works for what? How do you know that person was talking crap, or did the magic search button tell you that too?

Like I said, it is all speculation at this point anyway. However, the camera interface was a topic in the discussion I am talking about.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Yeah well, I guess that was me :o

And I don't do this kind of stuff normally, feel free to check my other posts if you want. But another xda-member, holcken, who undoubtedly had insider information (he was right with SE opening up the bootloader days before the first word in the web came up, just check his posts) got me pretty excited. He implied that SE will do the same with the X10 and has even more for our device to announce. <-- That was all, nothing more behind my mysterious jabbering. I only got veeeery excited and did feel I wasn't allowed to say something...

Well, he's still around, but I don't hear anything from him or SE, and I'm a little embarassed about the list of posts you just linked here :(

@holcken: If I got something wrong or misunderstood something you said/implied, feel free to correct me, mate!

@everyone else: I'm really sorry! and now please let those stupid posts from me rest in peace ;)

Besides, I still think he didn't lie and could be right if SE didn't change plans. ;)

Regards,

qwer23
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
chill I was referring to the board in general, not to you....

How is the person not talking crap? OH I heard some AWESOME rumor btw, oh but I can't say anything at all....
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
thanks for coming and straightening it out anyway...

Being mature about it at well
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Dude dont worry, i wont judge you :)
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
... i'm feeling like a one-post troll :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Omg! Go away already!.....TROLL!

Hahaha

No worries man, its all cool. People get excited.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Apologies, I immediately edited my tone out of my last post, but you were too fast for me.

Btw, that is how ALL rumors/secrets get out. Someone who isn't supposed to say anything tells someone else who isn't supposed to say anything. Before you know it, it's on the Internet. Only time will tell, not the search button. :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Yeah but the fact that there was not even ANY implication of ANYTHING made me not believe it.

If the person even had have said "oh it has to do with the camera", etc... Maybe I might have even considered they might have heard valid info, but the way this was presented was total bs
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
oh please let it be E-MT...

Enhanced Multi Touch. "i still give SE 10 points for that" :)

Well here's hoping for the best.
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
You will only get dual touch due to the digitizers capabilities/limitations.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
So it's confirmed that the x10 is only Dual touch?
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Even if the hardware allows it, SE won't give us multitouch due to legal reasons. Regardless, the word around here is that the digitizer doesn't support it. If you heard it on xda, then it must be true....or is it, then it must not be true? I guess it depends on who you ask. We'll see if the devs here can do anything with it in the months ahead with the bypass.

It was reported back over a year ago that the original design of the X10 had multitouch, but due to Apple suing over patent rights SE removed it from the design. Dualtouch is a way around Apple's patent. Just like the "next generation" multitouch in the Arc which supports more touch points than Apple's patented multitouch.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I never said it was true...I was just adding to the speculation.... because that is all any of us are doing... including... :-)

Of all the things we want, including lifted fps cap, 16mil colors, multitouch, and overclocking, the SE camera is one thing they can give us without any hardware or legal issues. I am optimistic that they will want to maintain the integrity of the SE camera interface if possible.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
The problem is even with the 2.3 upgrade, Sony will NEVER make the X10 live up to its potential.

For one reason only, Internal Competition.

The Arc, hardware wise, is not that much better than the X10. Where the X10 falls behind is in super graphics intensive things, because of the slightly more efficient CPU and more RAM. For day to day use (browsing mail, internet, sms etc) the X10 is as good as the Arc.

Arc's quadrant score is in the 1200-1300s. With X10 custom ROMs, we can easily get there.

SE know it, and they know if they make the X10 live up to its full potential, there's no real reason to 'upgrade' to an Arc. New smartphone buyers can opt for a used X10. So, in order to stop this internal competition, they're going to take away key features like a good camera app, wifi tether etc.

It's quite sad, but that's how it will definitely go. That said, I fully support that the XDA will do something about it, maybe even port the camera app or something, but the X10 will become as good as the Arc :)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
I mean absolutely no offence, but... ARE YOU SERIOUS?

You have your glass half-empty, huh? :p

I have eventually grown really sick and tired of hearing people whine about Sony Ericsson, when they clearly have made efforts to provide us with almost everything we asked for. Dualtouch, Android Updates...

Seriously, they provide support to an older model while the new ones are released. That is extra-ordinary and let's stop for a moment and think about it.

Totally agree on that and this is the reason I am holding on to my X10.

Benchmarks are not straightly related to the actual performance and user-experience.

Can you blame them? Let's face it, we have an 1 year old phone and the world keeps moving forward. Time and space continuum did not bend when we bought our X10s. :D

However, we still get enhancements from SE and it's admirable that she did not give up on this phone.

XDA has been my sidecick since I first got a smartphone, about 7 years ago.

They always come up with tricks, tweaks, ROMs, workarounds, etc etc etc.

So, yes, for those not interested in what SE offers in stock, the new kernel that will come bundled with 2.3 update will open up new paths for our devs!

All in all, we are in a win-win situation here (and NOT the Charlie-Sheen-kind-of winning too!)

LOOOOOOOOOOOL!!! :D

Regards
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
SE has tried their very effort to gives us....er....update?

They use six months to give us a what?

A very nice 2.1?It is nice enough?It depends!

For the DT,if we didnt blame SE at such degree,you think that they would give it to us?

Also,other companys also give update to their old phones.

SE made mistake,and they have admitted that,can we regard the gingerbread as the apology?

Well,lets se if they have really tried.

If the gingerbread is,still,rough like 2.1,they might not able to retore X10's user's faith in buying their products again

Cheers,

L

Sent from my rooted FreeXperia X10
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
I have nothing against hopeless pessimism, it's just that I tend to see the good side and live with it. :)

Let's wait and see how the GB update will be and then whine away! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Sony delivers better software then Samsung. It has also not much crap just like HTC Sense. Sense only eats your memory.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
I'm not sad about the upgrade, far from it. And I'm not viewing the glass half empty either, I'm being realistic, because that's what's going to happen. It might as well be that people realize that now, otherwise when the GB comes out people will be complaining how it's not as complete as the arc.

I am extremely thankful of SE for giving us X10 users gingerbread, but I'm not going to hide from the fact that it will not be as good as it could be.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
x10 can support full multi touch, but they don't apply it -.-
[XPERIA X10 General] tr0llica:
thats not true it was many times said x10 supports only dualtouch
[XPERIA X10 General] zabihjan:
does this mean, this will be released sometimes in June or July..... wow i cant wait.
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Ahh,I like your personality,being cheerful^^

For me,may be it is not pessimism,I just deal with the truth(common flaw for science students@@)

To be honest,I have very high hope on this upcoming update cus if this is good enough to restore my faith,I will consider the subsequent product of Xperia Play Z1 when I get into university next year(if and only if I can pass HKALE,hardest exam,sh_t!)

Til now,the only SE phone that can satisfy me including its price is Neo(I advised a girl to buy it and I accompanied her to buy it..girl.....sight

So,come on SE,show me your creation to bring me something nice!!

Cheers,

L

@someone,our X10 is not fully capable with MT as the digitizer is, er,like,rubbish

Sent from my rooted FreeXperia X10
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
...If I were you, I'd rephrase that...! :p :p :p
[XPERIA X10 General] sina1:
GB already here
[XPERIA X10 General] zsb886:
great news.. waiting for it
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Rephrase? But what? =]

Sent from my rooted FreeXperia X10
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
I was joking, because I am a girl and, YES we CAN use smartphones!

:D :D :D
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
:D

Ya,I know you are a girl missy^^

So,I am trying my best not to refresh ptcrb now...

Cheers,

L

Sent from my rooted FreeXperia X10
[XPERIA X10 General] AyDee:
I just hope they don't drag it out like last time. Before next year this time,SE.... :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I really dont think that will be the case. I think it will be slightly earlier than expected.

I also strongly believe SE has/and is in the process of changing there game around. They wanna be number #1 for android, and now there getting on the right track.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
on topic:

if they're still using 2.6.29 kernel as seen in the pics (if they're real), do you think, they changed a lot of stuff in the kernel to give us key features or will the X10 on GB still not be able to thether wifi hotspots (not talking about ad-hoc, but actual hot-spots)? And why are they holding on to the 2.6.29 kernel? They could easily use the new kernel with X10 drivers? Don't misunderstand this, I'm not ungrateful, really appreciate the update, but why still 2.6.29?

... and btw. why do they use 2.6.32 kernel in their newest phones instead of 2.6.35?
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Maybe they haven't changed the kernel it's name. We will see in the future. It's to early now for the release :p It's just 2months away ':p
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I cant give you exact quotes, but i can get close. I remember aimee@SEanswers saying our 2.2 custom roms run so smooth because were using the 2.1 kernal. When the SE engineers tested the 2.2 kernal the OS ran rather poorly and wouldnt have been a good user exprrience. So i would assume the same for the gingerbread kernal. I dont know if what i said makes sense, and i dont know if they (SE) are lying, but thats what aimee said on a facebook page. So maybe there giving us a custom gingerbread with the same kernal. I hope not tho.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Cmon S.E. won't release a not fully working firmware :p Maybe the kernel is a port from another device of them?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I dont know bro, im just saying what aimee@SEanswers said on the SE facebook page. Whether its true or not i have no clue about that stuff.

Ps. Want me to try and find that page?
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
I never saw them mention the kernel. I read when she tried to say that a 2.2 rom is still running on 2.1 with a 2.2 skin lol

That and tons of other ridiculous stuff that made me laugh really hard.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Find it :p Btw, I will ask SonyEriccson Netherlands about the upgrade.
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Please do
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Just asked them about the camera interface ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] rtblittlebrown:
Thanks couldja also ask about the kernel
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I don't think they will answer on that. But I will try ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Do you have a link to that page?

I swear she mentioned something about it being kernal related. Ive been searching since my last post and I cant find that facebook page I read....or ****, maybe it was on the SE blog. Im determined to find it now.

Another user on these forums posted the link in another thread and I have no clue which one it was.

:(
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
It was on the se uk facebook group page. Hold on I'll see if I can find it
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Thanks man
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Here are several instances, she never mentions the kernel though.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=283958346371&topic=15977

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=283958346371&topic=15760

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=35313373389&topic=22434

Prime example of funny stuff they say:
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Well, we are still using the 2.1 kernel, so it's not completely incorrect??
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
the kernel is not the operating system....

you are like Se's white knight lol, anytime anything is said you run to the rescue :P
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I can confirm that she said it on the facebook page. I saw it and laughed my ass off. How should a generally optimized kernel with with more features and otherwise the exactly same, if not optimized, support for CPU kernels and stuff reduce performance? I think that every dev here will tell you that all kernels after 2.6.29 will INCREASE performance as long as you have access to the unsigned SE drivers (which our devs sadly don't have atm).

Conclusion: aimee talked crap to justify SE not to update X10 again (at that point it was officially that no update after 2.1 would come).

No offense to you though, Mr Patchy Patch. I only hated those employees of SE that tried to justify SE's doing with total bs.

edit:

Yes, that's exactly the post I remembered. It appears she really didn't mention the kernel, sorry. But wtf is she talking? We're still running 2.1 just showing features of other operating system? That emplyoee obviously doesn't know ****.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
i almost forgot about this gem:
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
What exactly is the kernal then?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Why would your post offend me?
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Lol, who does that make you? Michael Moore.

If you read my post, I was asking not telling.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
a kernel is really nothing more than a resource manager. Whether the resource being managed is a process, memory, or hardware device, the kernel manages and arbitrates access to the resource between multiple competing users (both in the kernel and in user space).
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Nope just a realist.

I will buy whatever is best, no brand loyalty here.

I will look at things objectively, not through rose coloured glasses

edited to take out some unnecessary stuff after I read your post edit. Took what you originally posted the wrong way, I.E.- not as a question
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Ok, thanks for that. Now im more edumicated lol.

:)
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Well, isn't a major part of the improvements from Eclair to Froyo and Gingerbread resource management?

Saying the kernel has nothing to do with the OS basically is saying that there is no need to update the kernel? Confused?
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
hahaha no problem...

It makes me laugh though that they think they can say stuff like that and no one will know the diff lol
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
no I never said that at all.... All I said was she is saying that you are still using 2.1's os, which is not at all correct. You might not be getting a fully optimized version of 2.2, 2.3, etc... but to say you aren't really running that os is just ridiculous.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
And this is why they need to change the kernel for our update....to be fully optimized!

hahahaha now I can talk about the kernel!
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
lol yes and if they don't change it we won't really be running gingerbread apparently, according to them :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Thats really been my understanding all along tho. Which is why its gonna be very interesting to see if they change it or not. If they dont, well then its basically just another custom rom....hell its probably gonna be wolfs rom with some extra touches lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] healer82:
Just looking over those pics I noticed that none of them seem to have data connectivity. I just find it kinda weird but I know that I can't get quadrant results with a connection.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Please don't consider me brand loyal. This is my first SE phone and smartphone. However, I think SE has made the right moves to make me look first at another SE phone when my contact is up. My point of view comes from my annoyance with people who do nothing but talk negative. It wouldn't matter which company if I didn't think people were being fair or real.

No offense, but it sounds like you look at things through half empty glasses rather than the clear ones you claim to wear (in general, not just here).
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Not at all, being a scientist I look at things based n the evidence presented....

When they say stuff like that, it's hard to take them seriously.

Sorry that your SE-rection gets in the way of logical thinking.

I'm not taking offense, as were obviously quite different people, but I just find you seem to have this "they can do no wrong" attitude for someone claiming to have no brand loyalty.

I like my x10 as well, but I don't know how anyone could say SE haven't done some crazy ****... Those two quotes I posted are only a couple of small examples
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I love SE and love my X10....but yes, they have said some crazy ****, and they now know what they got themselves into. Which is why I believe all these sudden changes they made is them trying to be better and eventually the best. They learned the hard way, they took a media beating, now its time for them to change...and I personally think there making the right decisions
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Your point of view is no more scientific or logical than mine. You express negative emotions in the majority of your posts. That is NOT scientific. You are too attached to the situation to be impartial.

We are complete opposites, meaning you bash just as much as I advocate. The truth lies in between us. Don't for one second think you are any less opinionated than me. Ebony and ivory. :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
lol not at all, you obviously don't read most of my posts, most of them are me trying to help people....

I won't deny I am opinionated at all, however I don't believe ignorance is bliss.

When sony does good things, like the 2.3 update I was/am the first to praise them.

When they do bad, or make nonsensical statements like that one, i do the opposite.

I am just not always on their side no matter what...

Being scientific means looking at things rationally, not trying to put your own bias on the evidence presented. They make bogus claims, I call them out. That IS scientific.

Actually my first degree was a double major in philosophy/political science. I'm quite fluent in philosophy/logical thought and discussion
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I am pretty sure the PR people posting on FB are not devs or even remotely technical. Maybe she didn't use the right terminology, but her point remains that we are running froyo and gingerbread ROMs on the 2.1 kernel. That is 100% correct, and why none of our custom ROMs are fully functional.
[XPERIA X10 General] compumasta:
Yeah, unfortunately expecting that is like expecting the guy at bestbuy to know pretty much anything technical.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Well, my job here is done, im just gonna let you two play now lol.

Remember, play nice

:)
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Oh man not this again :p
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
On topic:Though I cant use computer until the final exam in June(the transformer is down,no time to get a new one),if SE releases the update now,I really need to find a way to use computer...xRec cannot update kernel and baseband><

Btw,SE muselt updae the kernel,otherwis tethering would be a problem(or they implement this to the existence kernel,god damn SE-.-)

Cheers,

L

Sent from my rooted FreeXperia X10
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Like someone else pointed out before me, it is very likely that these images are fake.. simply because one needs some sort of a data connection to view quadrant scores. Unless they went to the trouble to switch off data and then take the pic..
[XPERIA X10 General] peludino:
What a nice news!!! I can't wait for 2.3.3 SE rom... :D
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Sorry, all amped up for the big UFC fight tonight..... (in Toronto btw). :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] DenvarStorm:
Good and great news... can't wait

Enviado desde mi X10i TripNMiUI usando Tapatalk
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Haha.. I live right by Rogers Centre
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I figured, just finished, what a let down.
[XPERIA X10 General] Eastrider:
How many chances does this add to getting a 100% fully working 2,3,3 stable Xperia X8 rom?
[XPERIA X10 General] Nagarebozhi:
Non :)

Xperia™

Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted!​
[XPERIA X10 General] molinillo212:
I´m waiting too!!! But I don´t expect anything from SE
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
This is not in anyway an official test build of 2.3 from Sony Ericsson.

It's an example from the Chinese dev on how he would like the new 2.3 to look based on the blue theme from 1.6 and 2.1.

And here is a link to the firmware from the Chinese Dev from where the photos are taken.

http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://se.it168.com/thread-1879889-1-1.html

Case closed, this is NOT a Sony Ericsson 2.3, it's just a Chinese Dev who made custom firmware.
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
No,I come from Hong Kong and I can read without translation.

The author stated that it is a rom, not a theme,I have mentioned it before.

The author said that he was a external tester of SE.

Google translation ....

Cheers,

L

Sent from my rooted FreeXperia X10
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
SE also said that the x10 only supports touch. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Yes, because at that time SE were assholes.

But the main reason for dualtouch only is because of hardware limitations (and/or legal issues with apple. OT: Oh god I'm thinking about South Park again lol.)
[XPERIA X10 General] AyDee:
A custom ROM is not a theme. It can be a Rom and not be official.

That Google translate link doesn't seem to prove anything though...
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
That has not been fully proven.

South park FTW.:)
[XPERIA X10 General] laill:
Someone has disambled the X10 and found the digitizer is actually not conpletely capable with multitouch(just like some old HTC divice

Cheers,

L

Sent from my rooted FreeXperia X10