yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Especially you.

When a secretary transfers a call, it's to another DN on the same PBX, the connection is simply rerouted within the same system. If they "hand you off to another office," then they are adding a hop, and possibly transcoding, unless the PBXs are in a common VoIP domain, or in very specific cases, are coordinated to do anti-tromboning (e.g. all calls enter the main office, which then trunks them to remote sites - if a call is then transferred back to the main site or to another office, anti-tromboning may be used).

With GV, when you call out, your phone calls a special number belonging to GV (you can see this if you have detailed billing). From that point, the number you dialed is in turn connected. GV can't reach into the carrier's system and reroute the call there. So, it's another hop of latency and transcoding. It wouldn't surprise me if Google had SIP trunks, since they tend to be cheaper at scale.

It's similar in reverse, someone calls your GV number, they're connected to a Google site, which in turn forwards the call to your cell number (or whatever number you define). Again, another hop.
[Thunderbolt General] wrb123:
the call quality is fine
[Thunderbolt General] whewstoosae:
My call quality actually went down after starting to use GV on my Thunderbolt. I have a severe 2-3 second lag with almost all my calls I start. I have no problem when receiving a call, there's no lag. Anyone else in the same boat?

Sent from my Thunderbolt.
[Thunderbolt General] johnchad14:
yes to lag when starting calls, but that is due to the connection method certainly. Has to connect to voice, then voice connects both parties.

But haven't noticed any call quality degradation from switching (yet?)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kippui:
^^^^

If so I'm going to BB tomorrow to pick me up one if they have it in stock.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ARH2001:
YOU'RE FUNNY!!!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zach Alt:
It does, but, you won't get one at Best Buy.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kippui:
??

I really want to just play with one of the newer tablets, its ok if they have none in stock lol.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jratzo:
They don't even have them on display, they have none.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cd419:
It can also act as dlna server and can stream media to an xbox for example pretty cool eh!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pokey9000:
Works great with the Mediatomb server on my NAS.

Also good luck with the Best Buy thing.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EViL3666:
The Transformer comes with a program called MyNet that will connect to a DLNA server, but its severely limited in the video it will show - If you want to watch movies, then you'll need to find some different software, there are a couple of options out there, but none of them are that great.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kippui:
Um, would you guys pick the transformer over the xoom just because of the IPS screen?

I pretty much want a really good screen but since the shortage of tablets I might hold off for the galaxy tab.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dark_aura:
IPS, price difference and much better dock capability.
[EVO 4G General] Lrod0175:
Finally Hancent SMS app has rolled out an update where it converts to mms messages over 160 letters or more.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
good to know, go sms pro only does splitting still
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
They keep rolling out new features, but don't deal with critical bugs.. like the wake lock issues that enabling popups causes.
[EVO 4G General] totalanonymity:
What's the advantage of conversion to MMS versus splitting messages into bite-sized, if you will, pieces?

I personally like the splitting, and GO SMS numbers them so that the recipient knows when your messages are done or if they are out of order (I'm sure others do this, too, I just haven't checked personally so I can't make a statement there).

If I'm not mistaken, conversion to MMS would also require that one can receive MMS, no? Or that it doesn't cost them? Isn't that less cost-efficient for some when mostly everyone has unlimited SMS these days?
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
My understanding is a mms contains some sort of audio/video attachment, where as a sms is all text and limited to 160 chars (due to network limitations at the time).. Sms uses the same voice network, while mms uses the faster 3g network to handle the attachments.
[EVO 4G General] Lrod0175:
1. SMS

SMS stands for Short Message Service and is the most widely used type of text messaging. With a SMS, you can send a message of up to160 characters to another device. Longer messages can be split up into several parts. Most cell phones support this type of text messaging, and sending a SMS is usually very cheap. SMSs can also be used to access various services from a portable device, such as Google and MSN. Spam sent as SMS is also becoming more common.

2. EMS

EMS means Enhanced Messaging Service and is an extension of the SMS. It provides SMS with functionalities such as text formatting (bold or italic fonts) and limited picture and animation support. If an EMS is sent to a phone that doesn’t support it, it will display as a standard SMS. EMS will probably be rendered obsolete by MMS.

3. MMS

MMS stands for Multimedia Messaging Service and this type of text messaging is an evolution of the SMS. With a MMS, you can send a message including pictures, video or audio content to another device. It is very useful to send a photo taken with a camera phone to another phone. Most new cell phones with multimedia capabilities support MMS. Because the size of the message is defined in kilobytes, a MMS can contain a lot more information than a SMS.

That's the definition of each one, and for me is very important I can sent messages of any size due to my work, I don't like split messages due to the fact that they brake and some of them loose content. I am also one that likes cyanogen and UD over a sense rom, so for me this is a must. I awaited long enough for this and finally is here!
[EVO 4G General] ubigred:
I agree...still lags
[EVO 4G General] ubigred:
I agree still lags. Great features though.
[EVO 4G General] jolgun131:
:confused:
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
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[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
NOTES:

Attempted 3 times total. Working sucessfully for numerous users.

Followed guide above to the letter:

End result = Screenshots below.

Interestingly enough... System version of my phone = 4.1.5.7 :) Lol.... who knows what version it really is.

Baseband shows as: N_01.87.00R

This just means that the build.prop files was overwritten to display this:

ro.build.id=OLYFR_U4_1.5.7

ro.build.display.id=GreyBlur 2.0

ro.build.version.release=2.2.1

SCREENSHOTS:

Stock GreyBlur - Second Flash

Honeycomb theme for 1.5.7 deodex - on TELSTRA 1.4.2 - GreyBlured..

Thats the fun part... XDA community can work together to find this out...

I was willing to put my phone in the fire based on random tips people wrote.

but not only that I went ahead and tested various methods, themes on top of that..

So this is really interesting considering what we thought and knew could not work.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DannyV94:
This working on AT&T?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] D_one:
I saw someone saying this worked, I thought it was a fluke, amazing! So all the optimization to SD card speed and memory work? Any chance this would also work on stock bell (.37)?

If your version is matching at&t I wonder what's really happening? Could it just be a custom build.prop file?

That's some hybrid of a system you got there Seven :-P

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
You mean on 1.8.x?

Give it a go dude BE FEARLESS.. lol ionno but i'm freakin stoked because it worked on my Bell ATRIX :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Dont try stock... just flash man, you will probably brick so just go 1.4.2 and thats that... either way its not like it matters because once you flash this you'll overwrite Stock and never get it back...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DannyV94:
I definitely would try it, but this phone needs to last at least another year, lol.

Don't really wanna brick it.

EDIT: BTW I'm not stock, I'm on GreyBlur 2.1 as of right now.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
this is somewhat unnecessary since ken has started on a telstra sbf optimized version anyways, you might as well wait a few days and get a version that isn't quite as risky to install as this.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] DannyV94:
Thanks for that update on what ken's doing :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Yeah i suppose you could do this if you were really impatient. We have already been waiting a while anyways so there is no harm in waiting just a couple more days
[Atrix 4G Android Development] D_one:
If I brick can't I still flash telstra? I'm pretty sure I can though I'll check first, I think someone did just that.

I'm going to sit tight with stock for the moment:)

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
zero risk... whats wrong witchu..

Do you have any idea what this could mean for DEVs?

The idea that this phone was thought not compatible with ATT sbfs... yet we have managed to get a perfectly working nandroid of it working.

No brick, both ROMs work 100% flawlessly and yes I re-flashed in between.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
except sbf's still don't work, unless you've gone ahead and flashed a stock AT&T sbf then the fact that this is cross compatible simply means that ken didn't hit any fatal system differences in his pseudo-ROM changes.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
yepp and? this means what?

I can now flash any other theme from any other person and have no problem getting it to work on my phone as well as not needing any ports just to have them remake their framework for my phone.

Tested:

Tangerine

HoneyComb

Next in line for test is:

Arc Theme. (LOVE THIS.. can't wait to see how it works out.)

I have only found one bug and this is with swype. This was fixed by restoring old swype back up. This means nothing to me anyways but if a dev wanted to he could make a universal pseudo ROM that would allow people to do their thing instead of flash and find maybe 0 or 1 themes for their crappy framework.

This has the potential to unite a community and not instead keep things seperate and everytime simply get more and more fragmented as we bell users know, we are TINY.. if even numerically tangible on here. So.. give that a thought for a bit.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] D_one:
I'm all for one atrix community, alot of the mods work on both bell and atrix, I think this is great news but would like more clarity on the specific differences between builds. Why does the factory wipe allow it to work?

PS. I was referring to trying it on stock:)

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Thats the fun part... XDA community can work together to find out why.....

I was willing to put my phone in the fire based on random tips people wrote.

but not only that I went ahead and tested various methods, themes on top of that..

I'd like a DEV to take a look at these results... because this is really interesting. No SBF needed and my phone behaves like 1.5.7.

I have tested, Webdock, mirroring.. all the functions except for swype (easily fixed).. WORKING.

So this is really interesting considering what we thought and knew could not work.

I would like to know from a DEV is how do I find out what I really have on my phone now..?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
So your telling me that if i install it your way i can use the Webtop files from the AT&T build? i could never.. EVER figure that out for my phone for some reason.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Lol you should check Sograth's thread.

I had that confirmed and working on 0.37 from bell..

Sograth even made a script fix just for us bell users son...

old news.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Yeah i tried it a while ago with no luck. ill try it again just for old times sake but im on 1.4.2 now and im not sure if it works with that yet.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
EDIT: I believe it should work as is atm. It just requires a bit of re-writing in his script.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nate_benji:
Well after a few flashes and following the directions explicitally, I got GreyBlur on my bell atrix... Looks really good!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Access CWM again.. re-flash GreyBlur. Then on reboot access Android Recovery,

then select

Wipe Data / Factory Reset ONLY.

This is why you are in a loop lol.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] nate_benji:
Ahh, ok good.. I ended up trying it on my final attempt, and it worked.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] plemen:
This is fantastic!! So technically we'll be able to use any build/theme that is released for ATT Atrix on our Bell phones (minus kernel/modem). Can't wait to try this.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Exactly!

That is the point of having this. I have been speaking to a few modders of the bell community and Ken.

I would like to have or create a unified architecture that we can all jump on so that themes can work. If not our community will fragment further and further.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Thanks this works perfectly :) im going to take a wild guess and say this still wont let us flash AT&T sbfs will it?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Nope we wont be able to flash these SBFs but we can at least make our phones' framework compatible with AT&T and this will allow our Bell community to take advantage of all the modding being done for ATT mainly.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
i wonder if it would go up to 1.8.3 if we did the same thing once gingerblur was compatible with it
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
No no, we are not technically moving on to 1.5.7 despite what the info shows. We have simply found that 1.4.2 is absolutely compatible with the framework in Ken's work.

By allowing this framework on our phone we have now made our phones compatible with the framework being used for ATT moding/theming.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
works great, im on gingerblur right now with haxzamatic's honycomb theme, thanks again :) :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] WingMan2010:
can you post links to root and Deodex...i just want to be sure i have the right guides

cheers...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] :
actually i decided to go with honeyglow in red, this is awsome, thank you so much for this seven. im not having any problems flashing anything now :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Check my signature. Both links there as per the guide.

Welcome :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] surbringer:
First of all, thank you. Not only did it work perfectly but you explanations are clear and really simple to follow. My Bell Atrix is currently running gingerblur.

Where should I donate if I wish to reward you for your efforts?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Thanks!

Check my signature :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] IrshaadH:
Do I have to flash back to the telstra sbf every time I want to switch from gingerblur to greyblur and vice versa?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
No, just make sure you factory reset each time.

If you encounter any problems let me know, I would however, not recommend doing this much :) but you should be ok as long as you do things carefully and by the book.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] IrshaadH:
I accidently skipped the factory reset step and greyblur booted up just fine. I idea onhow to restore swype btw?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Sadly due to XDA's policies about Swype... I can't tell you on here or post any files regarding it.

PM me.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
he just means to fix the force closes....

to do that you need to remove the apk from /system/app, reboot, replace the apk in /system/app and make sure permissions are set correctly.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
This worked for you? Thats good news. I will add it to the OP.

I was simply restoring a back up of the two key swype files, technically this being the same thing.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
i hadn't tried it myself, but i do recall reading in the GingerBlur thread that it worked for someone else.

Sidenote - I figured what the hell and went ahead flashed 1.4.2 sbf and rooted then installed Ginger and Grey Blur, pretty cool that it works.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Thanks! you da man.

:D nice btw, GreyBlur is my favorite so far.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] doaneramma:
OK, tried to do the swype restore with root explorer, and ended up with neither multi-touch or swype working!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Sounds like you did something really wrong. Moving the swype.apk will have no effect whatsoever on your phone other than remove Swype itself.

Explain what you did so I can try to see where things went wrong.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Rantatron:
Confirmed working using OP's instructions.

[edit]Actually, my home and search buttons seems to have stopped working.

[edit2]Fixed. Just go through Motoblur setup (or skip it using this guide)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] plemen:
Anybody try GingerBlur 3.0? Will that work with this method even though it is based on 1.8.3?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] sandro.bertini:
Hi there,

I have had a Milestone for some time here in Brazil and used a lot of different ROMs (the last one being the great CM7) that where based on ROMs other than that specific from my provider (VIVO Brasil).

For the Milestone it is recommended to copy some files related to the radio drivers from your original firmware to the new instalation cause this files where supposed to be customized to your carrier and would provide better reception (connection stabilitty, better data speeds, etc.).

Is there something similar we should do in the Atrix before flashing the AT&T sbf? One of the things I like the most in the Atrix is the GREAT call quality (its a dozen times better than the milestone, both for audio and data) and I would hate to loose that.

Yes, I still use my phone to make calls sometimes, I am old fashion like that.

Thank you very much, in advance.

Sandro
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
3.0 works just fine. Some people report errors with their home button but this fixed easily by using Launcher Pro to reassign the home key.

Sent from my MOTOATRIX
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
There is no need for you flash any other firmware for copy any files to sing to follow the guide carefully ull okay.

1.4.2 contains a world phone Radio therefore you should have no issues.

Sent from my MOTOATRIX
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SN4K3B1T3:
Confirmed working...running greyblur

Sent from my GreyBlurred Bell Atrix
[Atrix 4G Android Development] plemen:
Bit the bullet and went through the procedure - works great! Not sure what it is but phone is snappier and really liking GingerBlur 3.0.

Thanks again.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] scorneil:
wow, this is amazing. thanks so much.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] scorneil:
works great except my home button and search button don't work. i've tried with both the default launcher and launcher pro.

help!

thanks
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
Setting up a motoblur account tends to fix issues with the home button
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thegregulator:
I can vouch for that. Mine works very well.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] scorneil:
Hmmm, how the hell do I get into motoblur setup? under accounts, i only have the options for email, corp sync and yahoo in the motoblur accounts section

Thanks
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
Reflash and after you boot don't go to the launcher. Choose the second option
[Atrix 4G Android Development] scorneil:
ya, was just about to post that I figured it out. didn't have to reflash though. on reboot got the launcher choices, plus setup. went into setup.

strange thing was, after logging in, then "done", the motoblur wizard cycled back to the data saver selection (every time I hit done). hit back a couple times, and then was able to hit home to exit out, and home/search are now working.

thanks all
[Atrix 4G Android Development] NFHimself:
Is the tethering mod involved with this, does that work with Bell or will you get a $10,000 bill in the mail. :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] plemen:
I believe tethering is included in the Bell data plans - I know it is in mine.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Barogi44:
If i do this, is there any way to go back to bell 0.37.4 using a nandroid back up?

Also does the telstra update have the same features as the bell one such as the data manager settings and battery manager settings?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
there is no way to truly return to 0.37.4

telstra has all the same stock apps, minus Bell-specific ones like Remote PVR, Self-Serve, etc. and includes Telstra bloat instead.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Barogi44:
Thanks. so what would happen if i tried to restore my nandroid back up of 0.37.4 while on telstra update?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
it would work and replace your stock Bell applications and all, but your firmware and baseband version would still be different.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Barogi44:
Ahh alright. Thanks
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jackdonogy:
OP -- can you please update your 1st post with links to the things we need to do?

Thanks!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] plemen:
All the links are in his signature except for CWM which is located here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1019143
[Atrix 4G Android Development] scorneil:
just an FYI in case anyone is wondering. I applied gingerblur 3.1 on top of 3.0, worked fine, no isssues and I did not need to boot to recovery to do a system reset
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Barogi44:
Anyone willing to give a detailed pros/cons list of this vs stock bell rom. I'm hesitant to go ahead with this, also the change of radio is the biggest fear i have.. is it possible for bell to do anything to my phone if i have a different radio than stock? also will i still be able to disable data roaming as i live close to the american border?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ScottRTL:
Any other Bell users lose the ability to setup a mobile hotspots with Gingerblur 3.0? I was able to before but now it says my plan isn't setup for teathering...... everything I need is in the APN I think...

Thanks
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ScottRTL:
It looks like it is trying to authenticate with and at&t address, obviously that don't work, any way to disable this? I don't want a teather app... I just want to be able to use my Widgets to enable a mobile hotspots...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1057665

read this please.

Going to update the OP with a script to load this file automatically and also disable the nagging ATT update screen.

Cheers
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ScottRTL:
Thanks

Awesome! thats exactly what I was looking for. Just had to add the default,tether didnt even have to edit build.prop easy breezy.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Ratchet556:
Can i Flash GingerBlur 3.0 over top of 2.5 or will i have to go through the entire process all over again?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
you can toss it right on top
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ScottRTL:
Confirmed. I installed 3.0 over 2.5 then 3.1 over 3 with no issues and no factory reset/wipe.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] thegregulator:
You rule. This worked perfectly. I don't often use the mobile hotspot feature, but it has come in handy once or twice. I would have missed it. Thanks!