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[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
UPDATE

"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
What does everyone else think
[Wildfire General] ErwinP:
It is an nice intiative, but as already stated in other toppics, htc will for sure not unlock there bootloaders. It is just this what the economy is driving on: everyone has to buy new things as much as possible. It can be done in two ways: by making a crapy device or by constanly bringing out new devices. And since the first option will make people angry and go to other manufactures, the only thing left is to make sure that every device gets outdated. And thus to lock the bootloader.

But I signed the petition anyway, perhaps it will make them go searching for other options to make money.

Erwin
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Well let's hope this can be as big as the Motorola one
[Wildfire General] hoho20022222:
we can ask anyone to not to buy htc products for a while haha...
[Wildfire General] gloc33:
You're not afraid to get laught at aren't you ?
[Wildfire General] Henkdrenth:
Well, I'm for sure not buying any locked HTC crap anymore. :D
[Wildfire General] bx19:
+1 signed.

this is really a nice idea. But may not be successful unless if it affects the htc market.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Please share this - the more signatures the better
[Wildfire General] dexta211:
Signed! - With locked bootloaders, the best phone maker may as well be making paperweights!
[Wildfire General] Les1976:
Signed
[Wildfire General] gogusteliade:
+1 signed...
[Wildfire General] bx19:
edit: never mind...

edit: pls add some description on the thread itself.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
would do but havent had time - may do over long weekend. if anyone would like to write one feel free and i may use it
[Wildfire General] titillo:
+ 1 signed
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
For those wanting it here is the logo I made in fireworks
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Bump we need more sigs
[Wildfire General] pepxl:
"Most consumer complaint websites just talk the talk. We take real action for you. If this groubal receives enough signatures, we will take the complaint directly to the business on your behalf and demand action."

i really cant see this having ANY effect what so ever in my opinion, its gonna take at least a few thousand signatures before any thought of action will be taken, 52 signatures is laughable really. A new an better budget smart phone will be available by the time this is through and the Wildfire will be obsolete.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
The reason i used that one is that the motorola one was on that site and that one did work
[Wildfire General] aaho:
Congrats to everyone =)

http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC

Although the question remains is that if they will unlock already locked bootloaders too or is it for new releases only?
[Wildfire General] AZ2ENVY:
Holy crap thats awesome !!!! Now whats gonna happen to the existing locked

devices is the question .....
[Wildfire General] mtnhan1996:
Unfortunately, nothing gonna happen:(

They only unlock bootloader for the future phones, so that people will buy their new phones(It's just one of their strategies to marketing their products)

existing locked devices still being locked

Our work is worthless
[Wildfire General] eyecon82:
NOT SO QUICK FOLKS!!!!

This could just be for future phones and the EVO 3d may be screwed
[Wildfire General] robkano:
Futurity update

But, don't forget, if this is HTC's new policy, then all updates from now on that will be released MUST be open bootloader.
[Wildfire General] eyecon82:
someone has posted a screenshot of the CEO saying the evo3d will be unlocked!!!!!!

edit: on the facebook page
[Wildfire General] gogusteliade:
anyway, "brilldoctor" GOOD JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Wildfire General] IvanDeadWolf:
Good! May be they will unlock existing devices...
[Wildfire General] scungilli:
Let's hope so, got two wildfires, which are eagerly waiting for custom roms ;)
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
That's ok! I will update the first post this evening
[Wildfire General] :
thats really good news (even if they no longer lock the future devices).

But will they unlock older devices. It will be nice if htc unlocks the older devices too and gives some life to them.

Now they shouldn't take much time to open the bootloaders even on newer devices like sensation .......

Anyway once again good initiative and good job @brilldoctor. And thanks everyone for the support. That's really awesome.
[Wildfire General] :
let us think in this way.

---They will be no longer locking the bootloaders as they said.

---That means the devices like sensation, desire s, wildfire s, evo 3d, etc manufactured from now should not have the locking on bootloader.

---That means they cannot do injustice to the already sold devices of sensation, desire s, wildfire s, evo 3d, etc .....

---In that context they must give an ota update which unlocks the already sold devices of sensation, desire s, wildfire s, evo 3d, etc .....

---If they r unlocking the devices with an ota update, there will be some chance (atleast little) so that they will unlock the older devices like wildfire and aria.

[I think if they keep older devices locked, only wildfire and aria are the ones to be suffered] . But its not just the statements, actions need to be done.
[Wildfire General] monkey0:
Wait till end of 2011, and maybe the Wildfire get's a unlockt bootloader. I don' think so...

Despite being a huge HTC lover for years, but after my first android phone - I'm out to get the Galaxy S II
[Wildfire General] :
I think it will not take that long (atleast for newer ones).

They might have realised that it is seriously effecting the sales of theirs.

Because just the customer feedbacks will not make htc to give a statement.

hope they will not delay. And the groubal has words specific for wildfire. I think they should consider that....

BTW..... The signs are now 7062. I think this groubal should be continued till all the devices are unlocked.

Words and actions are different. So, let us not stop this process.
[Wildfire General] Sisqo:
htc should still use the locked bootloader policy and create a tool like sony ericsson did to unlock the bootloader, using fastboot from android sdk, this way, only who knows will do it and i believe everyone will be happy
[Wildfire General] :
YES totally agreed.
[Wildfire General] will8578:
Congrats to all, i think HTC looked on the uk carphone warehouse website:

http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/special-offers/clearance

how funny that all the non htc phones have sold out and the htc phones havent !!!! lol

dam it doesnt take you to the page i want
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
What's wrong with unlocking out of the box? Still al least they have said they will
[Wildfire General] androidino95:
Gingerbread!!! HERE WE COME!!! :D -whistles-
[Wildfire General] :
That's some way to minimize the problems at service centers.

That also a way that one who wants to have custom roms on their devices will have to learn everything about it first.
[Wildfire General] :
still nothing mentioned for wildfire, huh....

Anyway im also excited lol ............
[Wildfire General] androidino95:
i know, im just optimistic ^^ ;)
[Wildfire General] :
My opinion was,

If HTC really gives some priority to the customers and donot see the issue from the business point of view, THEN THEY MUST UNLOCK THE OLDER DEVICES FIRST.

Because the newer devices were heavily locked right from their date of release. But the older devices are not heavily locked at the time of their release, but got heavily locked with the froyo update. They just betrayed the older customers.
[Wildfire General] donci15:
F#%kin hTC, don't want to open older bootloaders like Wildfire's, so we must start new campaing to unlock them. I hate so hTC, I will never buy again their phone!!!
[Wildfire General] ziemjak:
You're right! My next phone will be from Samsung or Motorola.

Dear HTC i'm mad on you
[Wildfire General] Whosdaman:
Lol...why? All the new htc phones will be unlocked. The motorola devices are still locked and can't be unlocked and lg will be doing it soon too
[Wildfire General] ziemjak:
They lock wildfire because they wanna sold new phobe wildfire S. Everyboby know rooted OC wildfire is more powerfull than Wildfire S. HTC think we go to shop and buy new one Wildfire S or HI-End one Desire S etc.

NO way :)
[Wildfire General] patently:
Welp, that pretty much settles it. XTC clip and never buy htc again. Next phone Im getting is gonna be a Nexus S I think. Or a Galaxy S II. Samsung > htc
[Wildfire General] :
No way we can have these things on wildfire even after rooting (which are present in wildfire s which make it comparitively powerful).

---512MB ram

---HVGA resolution (480 x 320)

---MSM 7227 chipset

---adreno 200 GPU

---full adobe flash support (requires arm v7 processor).

---VGA video recording

---BLUETOOTH V3.0

---wifi "N" network

---sense gingerbread yet.

All we can have is customization to increase the potential of our hardware. That's what everyone wants. I too don't like the way they locked wildfire.
[Wildfire General] androidino95:
im doin a little song for htc, help me out, so far i got this:

oh my dear htc,

change your bootloader policy

we want s-off on our phone,

we didnt buy a ****in stone

i know i can do no rhyme,

but locked bootloader is a crime

if u dont want to do it,

give us our money back and screw it!

so, help me out, i figured these "rhymes" while i was showering :)

so pissed off.. -.-
[Wildfire General] 3xeno:
lol, Nice one. :D
[Wildfire General] :
Edit: Ignore
[Wildfire General] androidino95:
Lmao :D
[Wildfire General] Particello:
On the link in the first post of the topic you now may find this:

Does it mean that HTC agreed to unlock the bootloaders?
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Yes.. for updates like our Facebook pagge (htcdev to unlock)
[Wildfire General] chiMA3:
HTC provides official boot unlock only for latest models,

htcdev.com/bootloader
[Wildfire General] halfdeaf:
Sir

Is there any use in running this type of a campaign...!!!
[Wildfire General] :
It depends on the number of signatures. We need a lot more people to sign. That might even work for the future devices.

Anyways, before going with the process, we must hope that it works.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Again please share this (add it to your Sig and share it on Facebook)
[Wildfire General] :
pls add some thread decription in text. Otherwise people may or may not go through those links.

watch out. there is an email campaign started.

:):):):):)
[Wildfire General] linuxcrash:
How about creating a sticky thread and consolidate all campaigns into that thread including all links and information so users can support all at the same time to make it a success?

any XDA Board admin available to make a sticky thread?
[Wildfire General] ilmastro:
HTC must follow SE that has unlock his bootloder.

i know my English is bad!!!!!!!!
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Will try to this weekend if I have no homework and I sort out my laptop. If anyone else wants to do a description feel free to
[Wildfire General] Les1976:
HTC looking there phones will not make me buy more of them, it will make me look at other phones instead of HTC as i do not like being looked into anything. i like to play and make it different from the factory standard
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Reposted from the e-mail thread

Surely they may unlock.it to compete with sony erricson (who i am not happy with for losing my psn data) and motorola
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
72 likes and 87 signatures. Please keep sharing
[Wildfire General] will8578:
happily signed
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Unlikely to get descriptiom done.due to exams and homework and a broken mac

Update mac fixed
[Wildfire General] dannyjmcguinness:
I agree,

To any HTC workers, board directors, researchers etc reading this make sure you tell the big guys,

UNLOCK MY BOOTLOADER OR MY NEXT PHONE IS A SONY ERICCSON
[Wildfire General] :
Yes, same with me.

UNLOCK MY BOOTLOADER OR MY NEXT PHONE IS A SONY ERICCSON

And tell ur big guys of htc to visit this link :

http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Almost 100 sigs can a mod please move this to general
[Wildfire General] Aca902:
signed

unlock wildfire or my next phone is desire xD
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
description now up
[Wildfire General] hoho20022222:
oh...

only htc haven't unlocked the hboot.
[Wildfire General] will8578:
goodbye wildfire

hello everyone and hopefully HTC, i have now swapped my htc wildfire with my daughters lg optimus p500, ok she has now gaines a stylish phone with facebook and pother rubbish like that, i now have a phone with the stuff that i want on there, i will never buy another htc again, and if you think, say a million people buy a htc phone, say 100,000 know about rooting, so everytime you release an ultimate phone that is unlocked then theres 100,000 people confirmed sales, plus the other 900,000 will buy your phones cause they look so good, so what im saying is UNLOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER,

signed by a former htc owner that had it for ten days.:mad:
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Fixed url
[Wildfire General] pablo_poland:
Did you check the thread in this forum ?

This is link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1017588
[Wildfire General] :
lol, that was an april 1st joke.......

That was a nice one with non-stop entertainment. I admire that ...........
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Please keep sharing
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Bump
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
bump - 10 char
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Anyone else want to sign
[Wildfire General] penderecky:
Let me work on it htc .. or i will buy another phone
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
we got featured on androidnews.de!
[Wildfire General] deko0602:
signing to, unlock the wildfire
[Wildfire General] :
169 signs till now. What do u think of adding the sign count to the 1st post and updating it frequently. And even adding to the newer posts frequently......

And is there any target for number of signs (and if so how many).....
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
I was hoping for a few thousand and re the countdown - good idea
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Lets try to get 200 before tues
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
just added a link to my blog
[Wildfire General] xd.bx:
AFAIK HTC sells phones that are S-OFF, if you buy directly from them. It's just the carriers that require the enabling of the secure flag. Nonetheless, I agree -- this sucks.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Or even do what sony do
[Wildfire General] :
I dont think so. even the non-carrier phones are having the S-ON.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
if it helps i got mine from carphone warehouse unlocked and de branded and...
[Wildfire General] 3xeno:
They are 'accidental', and, AFAIK, all such cases are concentrated in Asia. This has happened with the Incredible S and Desire S also. (Many people got it S-OFF out of the box)
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
BIG UPDATE: we got featured on androidspin http://androidspin.com/2011/05/18/c...ition-for-unlocked-bootloaders/#dsq-form-area
[Wildfire General] :
yeah thats good news. And also on killerdroid http://killerdroid.com/?p=8247
[Wildfire General] :
wow! I cant believe the sudden rapid increase in the number of signs (471 now).

Great job @brilldoctor . Hope it goes as expected and turns every htc phone unlocked ..........
[Wildfire General] pepxl:
They.might of but IT'S have since stopped this AFAIK, the wildfire wad rootable out the box but since new update have been available then now come 2.2.1 as standard in most cases
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Or even what Sony do
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Oh BTW if you support this why not add a link to your sig
[Wildfire General] linuxcrash:
Slashdot.org

Any one is a slashdot.org new author? Would be nice if someone would post a short article including the links to the XDA Thread as well as the Facebook and Groubal page?!
[Wildfire General] hoho20022222:
http://www.facebook.com/fungwuihin#!/event.php?eid=205251559513619

Let's Stop buying HTC!! ^^
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
And now on eurodroid http://goo.gl/4SNf8
[Wildfire General] kishoreks:
One more link to add

http://www.gadgetoxic.com/2011/05/1...cked-–-htc-petition-for-unlocked-bootloaders/

Hope the day is not too far... keeping fingers crossed
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Lets see if we can break the 1k mark by monday

up to 750 now
[Wildfire General] :
Yes it should. Now 748. Im expecting around 1500 mark by monday (it will if this speed continues).

The motorolla one crossed 9500+ . So i think we should expect around 10,000.

Lets see if htc gets convinced or looses its customers.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Hopefully - 10 char
[Wildfire General] linuxcrash:
Submitted the story to slashdot.org but I think it was not yet published...Will see if it happens.
[Wildfire General] :
any more ideas.
[Wildfire General] suiller:
signed :cool:

I'm starting to hate htc, in fact tempted to switch from desire to desire s, but after knowing that desire s is locked too I'll probably move to samsung even if I don't like at all their design
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Let's try to get 1000 sigs by midnight bst (gmt +1)
[Wildfire General] Sisqo:
you guys think that htc or any other manufacturer takes this petitions seriously? or even looks at it?

anybody seen other petitions that made htc do what people asked?
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
well http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/

http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/27/motorola-jumps-unlocked-bootloader-bandwagon/
[Wildfire General] Sisqo:
They said that they are thinking about it, nothing happened till now. And they didn't mention anything about this as a result of the petition..

Anyway, this thing with the s-on is stupid:)
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
We are 11 off 1,000 sigs. please post this on facebook or add to your sig
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
ONLY 2 MORE NEEDED!!!
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
We got 1,000 sigs!!!!!! Now lets aim for 2,000
[Wildfire General] springy:
Signed as well.. But I do with the weight of S.E and maybe others following that I think eventually all manufacturers will follow suit. Android is meant to be open and hopefully HTC will see this.
[Wildfire General] bazz001:
Add me too

Deciding between Sensation and SGS2, my current contract finishes next month.

HTC - Listen to your customers
[Wildfire General] aoryx:
+1 _ signed
[Wildfire General] :
Haven't seen any serious petitions to htc, i think this one is the first.

What should the manufacturer do, if a customer chooses a different brand just because of lack of a good option. Loosing the customers... or satisfying the needs of customers....? Definately not the first one. And it depends on how many customers are choosing the different brand. And those reviews clearly say that everyone (who is aware of rooting) is opting for a different brand.

So htc is gonna loose a lot of its old customers if they continue to lock their devices. Its a basic thing that the brands which donot show the customer priority are not likely to be chosen. Hope HTC realizes soon before its too late. And this atleast makes some noobs to learn few things like, what is rooting ? what are custom roms ? why should i buy a device with root support ? bla bla bla.... So they will not regret after buying a device.
[Wildfire General] xd.bx:
IMO, the only thing that will make HTC change their mind is by not buying their products anymore. Let's only buy unlocked phones, such as the SGS2.
[Wildfire General] hoho20022222:
I think so. Destroying the spirit of Android should be punished.
[Wildfire General] MrPontus:
I will cansel my order on HTC Sensation if there will be no root.

it's a shame, so nice phone :(
[Wildfire General] AZ2ENVY:
The wife and I signed . Also asked some people to sign it !
[Wildfire General] :
TRUE. Fight for the development, which android is meant for.

They are not selling the devices. It is like they are lending the devices.

Im even getting the doubt, "Do we have to return our device to them ?"
[Wildfire General] beautyangel:
Htc unlock bootloaders

Am in. We need unlock bootloaders. Am a huge htc buyer. Ifnot here goes samsung or else....................
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
If you havent already please share

On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
[Wildfire General] :
So will it reach 1500 by monday afternoon GMT. Let us see

And average signs/day from the past 3days is around 250 +.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Or 1:00 bst
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
At how many sigs should i email this to htc
[Wildfire General] :
They must be watching it.

how does it sound around 7000 signs.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Ok
[Wildfire General] imlgl:
HTC lost my support when they failed to repair my phone twice, then lost it the third time and has taken over 5 weeks to give me a new device. To this day I am still waiting, been around 1 month now.
[Wildfire General] :
GUYS, unrevoked on facebook gave some opinion about this petition. Quoting what they said,

So, i think we need to consider that too. What do everyone else think......
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Well at least try to get htc to do what sony have done
[Wildfire General] MAMBO04:
Signed :) nice idea!
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Wow!! Over 600 sigs in less than 24 hours
[Wildfire General] bittu4u4ever:
signed....
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
well 8 hours later and we have 1729 sigs
[Wildfire General] kishoreks:
90+ added in a matter of 45 Mins.... Great Going... 1824 Now..
[Wildfire General] kishoreks:
this is sort of not clear to me!!! do they mean that they are working on Wildfire or some other device
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Lets try to get 2k by 9:30 gmt
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Wow!!!! 1k sigs in just over 24 hours. Please keep sharing
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
Just notice we are a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
[Wildfire General] :
Well, i dont know that. They havent specified for wildfire. So we can take from minimum to nil chances. I just wanted to highlight that they suggested to write letters to the carriers as well.

Wow. Its going far better than expected. now 2016 signs. Honestly speaking, i cant expect what it will be after 24hours
[Wildfire General] :
I think ours is the 2nd highest one after motorolla (on groubal).

So will it beat motorolla one.
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
And the moto one isnt gathering many more sigs since moto have announced they will change their policy
[Wildfire General] :
YES TRUE. What all really matters is "HTC NEED TO BE CONVINCED BY THIS". Doesn't really matter whether it beats motorolla one or not....

Lets see if it is fair to expect a 3K mark in the next 24hours (2morow by this time).
[Wildfire General] brilldoctor:
So 9:20 bst
[Wildfire General] ErwinP:
perhaps, perhaps not. There is no way of knowing as they didn't say anything wildfire specific that points to that direction.

But it is not clear for me as well: who decides if the device should be locked, htc or the carrier?
[Wildfire General] :
That's not clear for me as well before. But i searched and found something......

check this link: http://androidspin.com/2011/04/11/rooting-android-the-war-between-carriers-and-consumers/

Even someone in the earlier posts (page 6) said that its just the carriers that need S-ON. So, what said by unrevoked must be true....................

[If carriers are responsible for locking, then what might be the reason to lock debranded phones. I think if they weren't locked, the sales of carrier locked phones will fall].
[Wildfire General] ErwinP:
Makes it very clear, thank you!