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[HTC Sensation] formuk:
Leaving for work in about 30 minutes. Today is our quarterly meeting/HTC Sensation training. I will have this confirmed and answered and possibly with some photos by the end of the day. :)

If you have any questions about the device just reply quote em' here and I'll be checking throughout the day and get as many of them answered from the engineers.

Side notes: The prototype that we played with the other day had 5 different little holes scattered throughout the back (I'll try to get a detailed pic of it today). Apparently, they're mic/antenna's. Once the case is off you can see the antenna lining around the back where the holes were placed... very interesting design. The engineer did say the final version might not have them though, as they did look really... strange. Also if you place the phone face down, the screen does not touch the surface.
[HTC Sensation] DeezNotes:
I'm liking the insider information here. This is much better than videos on YouTube going over the same features.

I just got a G2x and I'm thinking about the sensation, however I'm not inclined to go HTC if they're going to start locking things down. Cyanogen is pro-G2x at the moment and noted on twitter (I think) that they're not going to support the sensation if its locked down.

I am basing my next purchase solely on the support of cyanogen and a few others may be doing the same. It would be nice to know whether the bootloader would be locked or not as well as current battery life stats - real ones.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
@DeezeNotes,Cyanogen doesn't like Sense UI period,. But others members of Teamdouch will pick up this phone Sensation will have CM7 I garranteed it :D

HTC Sensation does NOT have encryption on their bootloader.

HTC Sensation will have sign bootloader basic security not as tight as Moto.
[HTC Sensation] cqms13:
Can anyone tell me what exactly off contract means?

Can I walk into a tmo store, pay 500 and get the phone, even though im not a tmo customer, be planning on unlocking and use overseas

Cheers...
[HTC Sensation] kampf:
"Off contract" means that you're not required to extend or renew your contract to get a subsidized phone price.

Generally speaking, you _should_ be able to walk into any wireless carrier store and purchase any phone at full price without signing a contract or even activating a line. With most Verizon and Sprint phones, this is a moot point due to CDMA.

I purchased a G2x last Wednesday from the T-Mo store. I've got an Even More Plus plan, so I had the option of either getting the phone through an EIP, pay-per-month or full-price. Because they discounted the phone, EIP wasn't available, so I dropped my card and went on my way.

Only to return it last night.

You should be able to go into the T-Mobile store and simply tell them that you'd like to purchase the phone, for full price, and if they resist, find another store. It should be easy to give the excuse of traveling overseas and/or giving it as a gift and activating it later.
[HTC Sensation] Virtue94:
@formuk Can you tell us anything about the tricolor backs that HTC has started using and if they'll be on the T-Mobile version? It looks kinda tacky...
[HTC Sensation] RellikZephyr:
Tacky?....hmm? I like it

Each to their own I suppose

Rellikzephyr
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
I hope Formuk will get a clear answer about the rootability level :o
[HTC Sensation] cqms13:
+1

was hoping for a few updates from him yestarday or today maybe - :cool:

really need to get this sussed out so i can make a final decision what the next phone imma getting is:D

really hope and pray that is unlockable and rootable etc :confused:
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
Perhaps HTC punished formuk to tell us ''secrets'' lol

If the SensaTion is locked like Fort Knox aka Incredible S I would rather buy a DHD :eek:
[HTC Sensation] formuk:
Sorry guys, been a little busy!

Bootloader is going to be locked with the same encryption that was used on the Thunderbolt and the Incredible S so if you've been following along with either of those two phones progress, you'd know that the Thunderbolt was decrypted pretty fast and Incredible S is also on the verge to be pried open as well.

This was confirmed by the engineers.

As for the little holes around the back (3 by the camera 2 on the bottom) will NOT be on the final model.

Tri-color backs - the middle part is an aluminium piece which is part of the framework of the phone and acts as an antenna.

Also, I should add that I am absolutely in love with the Sense 3.0 lockscreen. It really is as good as it looks on video. Not too fond of the "smoothness" of screen transitions though. When swiping side to side it didn't lag but it did showed a bit of low fps graphics. This very well could be because this was a beta phone though.

I'll add more info as I receive
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
Thanks for the answers!

I hope the security will be more like thunderbolt than IS ;)

About the launching dates in Europe and Asia do you have any infos?
[HTC Sensation] :
They are about to crack the incredible s security just holding off until the sensation is out. To the public.
[HTC Sensation] cqms13:
Some nice info there formak..cudos to you my friend.

Did u manage to get any pics?

Have to say im not overjoyed with bootloader situation, have read thru IS thread and while user Bin4ry has made some major progress (which hes keeping closely guarded) , nothing is definite yet. Need to play the waiting game a while longer but im getting a feeling that it cud be the G2X for me...have no patience and a wad of cash to spend
[HTC Sensation] formuk:
I couldn't. :(

It was too difficult. The day prior we had a team builder where it was freely being passed around to everyone so I should've when I had the chance.

Right now, I'm sporting a G2x and always an N1. Let me just tell you that this phone feels about 10x nicer & more ergonomic in hand than the G2x. The 16:9 res on the Sensation in a smaller package makes the phone feel more narrower.

Imagine the N1 without the bottom metal bezel/track ball area. Exactly what it feels like in hand. You guys will love it. ;)

Some added food for thought:

T-Mobile+HTC will be releasing at least 1 new device per month til the end of this year. We know the Sensation will do HSPA+ 14.4 but T-Mobile will soon be releasing their HSPA++ (21mbps+). From that point, they will jump straight to 42mbps. So 21 -> 42. Keep that in mind with your purchases.
[HTC Sensation] aw1974:
I see you also have a G2X. Which pulls a stronger signal, Sensation or G2X? I get no service at work and hope the Sensation can.
[HTC Sensation] formuk:
I didn't get enough playtime with it to tell you the answer that to be honest.

But what I can tell you is that behind the battery door, there are 4 separate antenna receptors. Not once anyone mentioned of a loss signal considering we work in a pretty big 30 story building.

No problems with the signal with my G2x either though.
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
@formuk

Did you try the loudspeaker? I mean ringtones are loud enough?

Because it's a big minus on DHD
[HTC Sensation] formuk:
I did actually and it's moderately loud. With the G2x if I turn speaker phone on it sounds like the speakers are going to explode with too much excessive distortion at full volume. Not so much with the Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
Is it at least louder than DHD and N1?
[HTC Sensation] :
Should be the sensation. Sense tends to hold a stronger data and wifi signal as well. Then most aosp roms. I can confirm this on the mytouch 4g. When I was out with my friend some part of upstate new York. His g2x had no service at all . I held on to 2-3 bars constantly on edge.
[HTC Sensation] kampf:
This is the kind of stuff we want to hear. As a Nexus One lover, I see the Sensation as looking like it's very similar in form, and I like that.

Now if you guys would tell us if/when the SGS2 is coming out...for comparison's sake of course.
[HTC Sensation] aw1974:
That is good to know. Both work and home is under "good" 4G coverage according to their map. At home I'm usually at -105 -107 dbm. Work I'm on the main floor and sit right by the window and get no service. Obviously returning the G2X and trying my hand with the Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] DuoM:
Let's not jump the gun on this:
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
I hate this suspens!

Perhaps Htc doesn't want to say ''yes it will be like IS meaning hardly unlockable'' so potential buyers will not jump into SGS2 pool ;)

I know it's a matter of time to unlock the IS and then the Sensation but if it will take months...
[HTC Sensation] cqms13:
Another two weeks or so and it will be out in uk, guess we just wait unless formuk can get any further info for us

Man, these next weeks are gonna be slooooowww......
[HTC Sensation] Maconi:
I plan on buying an HTC Sensation to use with AT&T to avoid their smartphone charges (if they don't have the IMEI for the phone/it isn't compatible with their 3G, they won't force you to sign up for a data plan).

My question is, will the T-Mobile "out-of-contract" HTC Sensations be unlocked? If not, have they announced an international "unlocked" version yet (I know they've announced other versions but I haven't seen any claimed to be unlocked yet, unless it's supposed to just be assumed)?

I'm asking since I know it'll probably be a while before we get S-OFF (to unlock it ourselves) and I'm still debating whether or not to purchase an XTC clip (I'd rather not since spending this much on a phone is already pushing it lol) and because I'm assuming in order to use it with another carrier at all it has to be unlocked?

Thanks in advance!
[HTC Sensation] ilkevinli:
Does anyone know if this phone will work on AT&T 3G bands ?
[HTC Sensation] kampf:
If it is released on T-Mobile it will not work with AT&T's 3G bands.

Other versions may.
[HTC Sensation] kampf:
No, the phone will not be sold unlocked.

However, from what I've read in the G2x forum, T-Mobile seems to be accommodating to some off-contract buyers. If you purchase the phone full price, then call and either 1) ask straightforward for an unlock to a non-subsidised phone or 2) make up a nice story (gift to a friend going overseas, etc) you'll probably have luck.

Many non-TMo buyers of the G2x have been able to get unlocks via Customer Care without getting any contract, prepaid, or otherwise.
[HTC Sensation] :
I buy all my phones unlocked from T-Mobile. They will allow you to buy the phone unlocked just not tablet devices.
[HTC Sensation] Maconi:
Really? How does that work? I just have to buy it in a physical store (not online) and request it unlocked it something?
[HTC Sensation] n7of9:
...in the USA

i buy all my phones unlocked in Australia or from the UK
[HTC Sensation] maddoguk:
At a time when some of the top manufacturers are unlocking their bootloaders it seems bizarre that HTC are regressing. Bad move!

Looks like Samsung for me.
[HTC Sensation] :
Just walk in you do no T-Mobile has non-contract plans yep they don't like to do it because they don't make money but. T-Mobile will usually do it without a problem.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tenbeau:
I received the replacement phone 5 and 1/2 hours ago. Charged the battery and rooted it and flashed CWM recovery. Performed a backup and thought all was well. About 2 hours ago I experienced a black screen freeze and had to pull the battery. I than performed a factory reset to perhaps help this and also to restore the UI sounds. Did not restore the sounds and got a black screen freeze while on the charger. I also noticed that the phone was very hot while on charger. Than I noticed I was not receiving phone calls as all of a sudden a notification popped up relating that I had 2 voice mail messages.The phone never rang. I performed 3 more factory resets and all had no effect whatsoever. I also noticed that I had no signal fluctuating with 4g 3 bars. I than called Customer rentention and related to them what had gone on in just 5 and a half hours. While they were ordering another replacment for me I became aware that the screen was black again and power button would do nothing. I could continue the call and did but had to pull the battery to hang up. I really do like this phone and not trying to denigrate it, but if the next one has any issues I am going to just ask for refund and wait for SGSII. I know from the threads that other people have had these issues however it is amazing to me that the replacement could have so many of the issues. Also when opening the box and removing the phone from it there was no plastic wrapper on it like there was on the first one. Could TM be sending out refurbs already? I would imagine not it makes me wonder. Anyone else experience anything like this?:confused:
[T-Mobile LG G2x] jrwingate6:
Man that sucks. This is why I never purchase new phones on the internet. If you purchase in a store you can just do exchanges there or any other corporate store. I bet theres a lot of people that won't order phones online anymore after this release.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tenbeau:
Yeah. I have been with Tmobile for over 13 years and overall they have been very good to me. I was really not due for an upgrade but they gave me one so I could not turn it down I am just so disappointed that the second device had more issues than the first one. I also forgot to mention that the second one had bad lcd screen bleeding. This phone has so much potential and I really do want to keep it. :(
[T-Mobile LG G2x] allofusjw:
try to hang in there. I'd say mine has been perfect but don't wanna jinx myself. ordered it from t-mo 30 minutes after its online release and have not experienced a single problem. screen is perfect too...lovin it! be sure to mention to them that it seemed as though your replacement had already been handled. maybe they'll be more inclined to be sure your next one is brand new. good luck!
[T-Mobile LG G2x] loud3:
I am assuming you placed the order through Customer Care.

Did your replacement come in original packaging or was it JUST the phone (no battery, back cover), as that's the easiest way to find out if you're carrying a refurb or not.

(THIS DOES NOT MEAN EVERY PHONE THAT COMES LIKE THAT IS A REFURB)

IF the phone came IN original packaging, it is not a refurb. They do not repackage.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Lightning Blue:
Before the G2x, I started with a Cliq 2 a month ago. The screen went bad, so they shipped me another, and the hinge for the slide out keyboard was bad.

Did I mention this was an online order? :(

After being without a phone for a week, the G2x arrived, and now I'm out of the 30 day window for exchanges! So yeah, I'll never buy another "new" cell online.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] se1zure31:
I order my phone on the phone through their customer care or retention, can't remember. Anyway I have some bleed on my lcd but I am finding it hard to send it back because I am not sure if what I get in return will be fixed. Also they said I had to send mine out FIRST and its about a 2 week process... So I might just deal with the bleed and call it a day.

Lesson I learned: IN STORE ONLY
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Prod1702:
wait until after the return time. You can do a warranty exchange and they send out the phone to you before you send back yours. You also do not need to keep the warranty phone if you do not want to. My phone has some LCD bleeding but no other issues. So i am going to do a warranty replacement and if that one is worst just send that one back instead. As a T-Mobile employee i do not get refunds just exchanges. So i will do an exchange as much as needed until i get a 100% working phone. Now if only they could fix the battery.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] player911:
I ordered mine online and it had a bleeding backlight on one corner enough that it was noticeable while playing games and normal activities.

I just went to the store and picked one up that checked out before I left. Plus in-store purchases have a 14 day return policy I can just take it back and swap it out for another new one they have in stock.

I will never order another phone online. Not that this always happens but anyone on XDA probably has some kind of phone obsession and something like that is always best to actually go look at it before slapping down some cash.

I have the original one on my desk that is getting shipped out asap. The one from the store is amazing. No blacklight bleeding, freezes, or weird quirks. Plus, like you said, it didn't even look right out of the box. You don't know what they are sending you in return and why spend full price on a refurb/used model?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] momentarylapseofreason:
Did you come from a Nexus One by chance? I only had mine for 8 months and they still gave me the full discounted rate. They said it was some type of "glitch" in the system but they wouldn't change it back. :cool:
[T-Mobile LG G2x] TimTim12:
Yeah, I'm worried about my next replacement order that's being shipped out to me. The lovely folks at T-Mobile sent me a G2 instead. The customer rep said "well if the next one has a problem you can get a different phone." Can I just have a G2x without issues? :/

Is anyone else's collecting dust under the screen already? I've been unlucky with reboots as well, but I'm sure that's just a software issue. The way my luck's been going, I'm sure this next one will have even worse screen bleeding, if that were possible since the top 2 corners are pretty bad and the bottom always gives off a yellow hue overall.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tenbeau:
Actually I did have a nexus one but I bought that off of contract. I did an upgrade with a Vibrant last july and than this device now. I do hope my repacement (#3) is issue free. Yes TMobile has been very good to me.:)
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Brock Samson:
I had a black screen this morning. Pulled the battery and rebooted only to realize that it had froze before my alarm went off and was over an hour late for work. I am a personal trainer, so my clients were pretty upset with me. Anyway when I got home from work I got out of my car and the phone fell out of my pocket and had about a 1 and a half foot fall to the ground. I thought to myself, DAMN!! First Drop, only to find that the screen is cracked in about 15 places.

So for those of you who do not have a case of some sort yet I suggest you get one.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] crazythunder:
so much for gorilla glass.:eek:
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Nivek91:
I have a quick quesion. So I bought a G2x off craigslist. Brand new and sealed. Now my phone does random reboots, like some of the people on here and also has the lcd bleeding. Is there a way I can exchange this with tmobile? What would I tell CS?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Brock Samson:
Thats the exact same thing I thought. My GF has a Captivate with Gorilla Glass and she drops the thing all the time. I will take a few pics and start a new thread and post them so everyone can take caution.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] faux123:
The benefit of Gorilla glass is that they are harder than normal glass so they resist scratches better but unfortunate side effect of being harder is that they can shatter easily when dropped. Be careful and get a case as poster stated :(
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Brock Samson:
Well as promised here are the pictures. Just so everyone knows I called Tmobile and raised hell and they are sending me a new phone and I have already ordered a few cases. I knew I should have gotten one, but when I got the phone the Tmobile store only had one and it was way too expensive and I really did not care for the style of it. So remember this is all from about a foot and a half drop.

The screen still works fine though. So now I am on to unroot and get it ready to send back to Tmobile.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] momentarylapseofreason:
Foot and a half drop onto what? A bed of nails? I have dropped mine several times from that height (maybe more) onto a hardwood floor. No scratches or cracks.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] booch137:
OP, make sure you're using your computer to charge the phone. If i charge mine via wall it freezes like that all day long.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tenbeau:
I have charged it both ways and it does not seem to make any difference. The device became virtually unusable with Black screen freezes and reboots etc. I have sent it back and another replacement is on the way. I still have the first one they sent as it is still under buyer remorse period, it is actually performing better than the one received yesterday. If this 3rd phone has issues as well than all are going back and I will wait for the SSGII and see what it brings.:( I believe it will be a great phone eventually(If SW updates fix issues) but I held on to the Vibrant thinking that SW fixes would rectify the GPS and even though the devs made it better it is still less than sterling.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] Brock Samson:
It landed on the driveway, but it landed weird. Like lay your phone on the table screen down and thats exactly how it landed. Im wondering if that way just had enough impact across that big of a surface area to do something.
[Desire HD General] borneanheadhunter:
Unable to boot into recovery after installed the latest RomManager 4.0. Any comments?

Sent from my digital snail mail
[Desire HD General] I'm TheQuest:
Hi borneanheadhunter

Not much help, but I just tried it with CWM & RM what in my Sig without a problem.

Take Care

TheQuest :cool:
[Desire HD General] borneanheadhunter:
Thanks for the reply. Found the prob. It's not the RM.. but the latest recovery 3.0.2.6 caused the lockup. Reverted to 3.0.2.5 and it works fine.
[Desire HD General] UpInTheAir:
Mine works ok.

Had to allow Superuser permission first when prompted.

If it still doesn't work and is listed in Superuser, long tap "forget", then Try rebbot from ROM Manager again. When promped "allow" Superuser access (ensure tick remember)

Edit: Just read the post above you posted while I was typing this. :-)
[Desire HD General] I'm TheQuest:
Hi borneanheadhunter

DO NOT

use

3.0.2.5

to try and format your

SD Card

>>>

[WARNING] Do not partition SD card using ClockworkMod | FIXED in 3.0.2.6

.

Take Care

TheQuest :cool:
[Desire HD General] satan66:
Sounds like you dont have S-OFF
[Desire HD General] borneanheadhunter:
Running ARHD 3.7.. So I still can flash ROM even with S ON? Only recovery 3.0.2.5 works with me.. hmmm... just full wipe zip is used everytime I flash new ROM..
[G2 and Desire Z General] dkdude36:
hey guys. i'm here for the evo forum, trying to help make a froyo theme for cm7. right now, i'm trying to get a g2 rom, so we can get some of the png's from it. the problem is, i have no idea which g2 rom is the newest. sorry for asking a question that (i assume) has been asked before, but i have searched, looked in your dev section, and even been on shipped-roms.com, and haven't found a definite answer. so can somebody please just tell me what the newest ota for the g2 is (maybe a link to the rom would be helpful?) thanks a bunch.

again, srry for the stupid question, and thanks in advance for an answer.

dk

edit: guessing it's 1.82?
[G2 and Desire Z General] ostinq:
I think its this one.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=836042

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[G2 and Desire Z General] dkdude36:
thanks a bunch man. much appreciated.