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[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
Hey again, monkeychef. Gonna give a few quick responses. Again, FOSS Patents is my goto place for all my patent concerns. He even guessed that Motorola was saying what it said about suing Android OEMs to force Google into buying Motorola the day before Google announced the acquisition.

No, I haven't. There are some 17,000 of them. But almost all of them were granted back when Motorola was the cutting-edge manufacturer of the RAZR, or before. Almost all of the patents are now industry-wide standards, making them FRAND patents, which are extremely weak in court.

As far as having bad lawyers, well, it's not like they hired their friend Jim's divorce lawyer guy that kept Jim from getting screwed over SO hard by his now-ex-wife. They have teams upon teams, in at least 5 states.

I'm right there with you, I promise. I wish this would put an end to the Android Patent Wars, but it's just not. If you have any other doubts about my position, read this article.

Oh, they won't discontinue the Nexus project. The thing about lies is that they're ALWAYS surrounded by as much truth as possible, and Google said they'd keep the Nexus project going in the same breath that they said they were excited to defend Android with Motorola's patents.

My guess is that the Nexus project will be other OEM's chance to do what Motorola will now be doing. If Google makes all the Motorola phones the way Android smartphones should be made, they'll set a non-imposed industry standard that other OEM's will feel pressured to keep up with. That means update schedules and catering to devs as much as hardware and software implementation. Basically, it addresses the fragmentation problem by pure market competition. That's actually what the Nexus project was all about. It just didn't work. Not enough market pressure.

But then--and this is how I typically think about things--there's absolutely no reason to lie about that. So I must be wrong. I mean, that may be a peripheral goal, maybe even an accidental benefit, but like patent protection, it is absolutely not the reason Google is buying Motorola.
[XDA Developer TV] Khaaaan:
Just thought I'd poke my head in and say hi :D and nice videos
[XDA Developer TV] VeryCoolAlan:
Wait nevermind...i was looking at the video of how you destroyed a mytouch 3g...
[XDA Developer TV] speeed_demon47:
Goodbye android.

My take on the google-motorola deal: Google ****** up.:mad:

The minute that google's name was mentioned in the same sentence as "motorola", it all ended.:(

Because, simply there are three types of android users:

First there's the developer.

Second there's the high end user who is not a developer but know a lot about android.

Third there's the average normal person who just uses android and knows almost nothing about it except for the fact that google made it.

Now believe it or not:rolleyes:, the third type of users is actually most of android users (definitely more than 60% of all android users).

And when an average normal person who just uses android knows that google "purchased" motorola, he will think that motorola now has the support of google (whether that's true or not, and maybe not just the average user will think so, and maybe that thought is actually a fact). Making that user buy motorola's products thinking that they are google's products, whether that is true or not.

So, when google says that motorola will stay totally independent, it doesn't matter, and it'll be a million times worse if google actually decides to step into the manufacturing process an deprive motorola of its so called "in-dependency".

All in all, motorola will make more money and other manufacturers will make less money, which destroys Android.

So, there's no way that google is gonna step into the manufacturing process, or that way it'll totally destroy android more than it already had.

And as azrienoch called it, "android's success is in its proliferation".

I don't know what that word "proliferation" means, does it have anything to do with nuclear explosions?

PS:If you like my opinion or somewhat think it's correct, then PLEASE hit the thanks button.:D

PPS:U know, you don't have to like my opinion, just hit the freakin' thanks button.
[XDA Developer TV] xHausx:
I'm surprised you didn't mention Motorola's patents on set top boxes, with Google TV being extremely lacking and Motorola having tight control over the cable box industry this would seem like a very good thing for Google to have against Apple. Since Google is a data mining and advertising company Google TV could be a cash cow for them.

I don't think Google has necessarily been lying about the Patents, but with everyone focused on Android phones being sued everyone seems to have forgotten (or never even heard of) Google TV. The fact Google themselves fails to even mention it says something to me.

Edit: A good article about it can be found here, it's a few days old but the comment about HP and Web OS is definitely interesting.

Edit2: Although Apple may have a patent on the rectangle (lol) Motorola actually has a patent on the Cell Phone. Motorola's Cell Phone patents
[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
Well, I also didn't talk about my own prediction of the future of the Nexus project shaping industry standards to address fragmentation. These are perfectly plausible and even likely outcomes. As far as Google not talking about it, it's not like Motorola talks about their set-top-boxes much, even if they are the most successful part of their business.

As far as them lying, who knows. Maybe they didn't. They would have had to not know anything about Motorola's patent portfolio except that it's big. And they'd need to have not paid attention to their court battles with Microsoft and Apple. Both seem unlikely. So I'll stick to the claim that Google lied. And as you said, why the hell keep it a secret? The Google TV idea isn't something to hide. It can't be the big reason Google is willing to shell out $12.5 billion and feels the need to keep it a secret with lies. However, since they didn't mention it, it's the first plausible idea I've heard that fits the criteria of being a secret.
[XDA Developer TV] monkeychef:
This is in response to your position on the Nexus.

I would love to see every OEM update their phones in a timely manner while also keeping fragmentation to a minimum. That would be a great thing to see if this merger happens.

I think the Nexus phones actually did advance the platform. Well, I actually believe the Nexus One advanced the platform, the Nexus S was basically a copy of every other phone with one difference being the curved screen (among others). The Nexus One showed other OEMs what was possible for their phones. It showed that phones could have faster processors, better cameras, and a better user experience. Without the Nexus project, I don't believe that phones would be where they are currently (I think the timeline would have been much slower).

Also, I personally don't believe that the Nexus project was supposed to address fragmentation. I just believe it was supposed to show other OEMs what was possible in a mobile device.
[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
Just saw this article. Nobody verified it, so it's speculation as well, but it makes sense of Google lying. Basically, Microsoft started showing interest in buying Motorola when it started suing them back in November. Google and Motorola started talking of a buyout 5 weeks ago, and in the end, Google bought them because they simply didn't want anyone else to have them. Like I said in my video, the patents aren't strong enough to defend Android. However, they ARE strong enough to do more damage to Android OEMs.

The whole we're-buying-so-you-can't-have-it reason isn't at all flattering, and thus makes sense of why Google would lie about their motives. Yes, has to do with patents. But in direct contradiction to what Google said, they are NOT buying to use Motorola's patents to protect against Microsoft, Apple, etc. This is strictly a don't-make-it-worse buyout.

Again, complete speculation as far as anyone knows. But it's the most satisfying reason I've seen so far.
[XDA Developer TV] ltdanno360:
this post is a +5 now y'all got to pay me! ROFLMAO

atrix..... need i say more!
[XDA Developer TV] Bierce22:
Man after all this I must say I like samsung a lot more now I was always a huge htc fan since I had my my touch 32b but after there latest bootloader fiasco I don't like them anymore.

Sent from my de binged samsung continuum
[XDA Developer TV] iLiberate:
Azrienoch, do you think that Ice Cream Sandwich (or perhaps some later version of Android even) could lead to defragmentation completely? It seems somewhat reasonable to conclude that somewhere along the line they may have over-the-air updates available for those who opt to partake in such updates (as long as your hardware would permit a software update obviously)? Similar to iDevices...

Also, do you think that perhaps ICS may be easier to port to non-android devices due to the nature of the OS? (such as the HP touchpad)
[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
Well, fragmentation goes two ways. There's different official versions of Android, and then there's different unofficial versions of Android. Now, having a single OS for everything is great, but really, it's not going to happen that way. Backwards compatibility is a problem that will never be fixed. Ice Cream Sandwich handles the fragmentation between Gingerbread and Honeycomb, but not between, say, Gingerbread and Froyo. And ICS will be the Froyo of the day after tomorrow.

And then, like I said, there's the different versions of Android that manufacturers make. This is why it COULD have made sense when Sony said their version of Eclair is in many ways better than Froyo. It just wasn't, because their custom version sucks even compared to AOSP Eclair. If we compared, say, Cyanogenmod 5 to AOSP Froyo, that makes a bit more sense and there just might be a good argument.

So in short, the only fragmentation it addresses is between Gingerbread and Honeycomb. A good start, but not everything.
[XDA Developer TV] iLiberate:
I'd just like to head toward everyone using the same version of Android stock and being able to automatically upgrade when new upgrades are available and these companies making their own launchers/widgets that come on the phone that you can optionally remove.

Android needs to move to a more universal system that still allows manufacturers to **** up their devices to their heart's content.

Obviously 90% of the people here don't care but I'd hate to be an Android user who isn't a part of this community and part of me thinks it's kind of ridiculous that for some devices on the market, you're ****ed if you aren't a part of this community. It's great that we have the ability to tweak to our heart's content but it's sad that sometimes it's near necessity.
[XDA Developer TV] Bierce22:
............
[XDA Developer TV] Bierce22:
There are so many things wrong with what u just said I don't even know were to begin....
[XDA Developer TV] iLiberate:
I don't doubt that. Just feel bad for the people who are stuck with horrible stock roms.
[XDA Developer TV] xHausx:
Well, it looks like it didn't take google and HTC very long to find a couple useful patents from that Motorola deal.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...lleging-infringement-of-four-u-s-patents.html
[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
None are from the Motorola buyout. Google doesn't own them yet. But Google bought some patents from them back in I think March last year, and they're using one or two three from that. I'm just glad Google is stepping up. Now, if only they can get their heads on straight and settle with Oracle, and if Google can convince all the OEMs that they mean no real harm in buying Motorola, Android just might have a sunny future.
[XDA Developer TV] meltwater:
Can see why it would unsettle the manufacturers though, particularly following how they handled Honeycomb, what else will they keep to one side just for Motorola. The sooner Ice Cream Sandwich is out the better, I think the non-availability of Honeycomb on budget tablets has been holding back the market (as well as keeping the prices high). I know Honeycomb is not suitable for low cost units, but when you are playing catch up to 27million ipads, there needs to be a game changer somewhere.

The touchpad shows that even a half-decent OS* can't cut it on a level price with iOS, but get the units into the hands of people and you win them over. Apple did this from the start, you couldn't pick up milk from the shop without seeing a display iPad around with people fighting to get a look when it came out (also I never saw a broken one!). When faced with paying iPad prices, people go safe and go iPad (unless they just hate apple, which is fair enough).

*When you use it you can see it isn't bad - particularly when pitted against Gingerbread (can't comment on honeycomb) but bugs aside it is a decent attempt at a iOS level experience.

The wait for tablet focused android on budget tablets is a gift to apple, they keep the price of their tablet up until the market needs them to drop it. By that point, they can keep market share by cutting production costs and put the push on the android tablets again. Also, they can even sell for a loss if they wished, since they would get back anything via apps etc anyway, something the others can't do (except perhaps Motorola!).

Anyway, loving the vids as usual. PS. Have you got a stylist in or something, or is it just a new look?
[XDA Developer TV] Illidan Pornrage:
I dont like azrienoch's videos.

I'm too lazy for reason.
[XDA Developer TV] Bierce22:
Completly off topic
[XDA Developer TV] paarkhi:
Then you should be too lazy to post this post even ;)
[XDA Developer TV] cajunflavoredbob:
It's not really off topic, it's just rude. Don't you guys recognize a troll when you see one?

That being said, disliking a person's videos is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. There's no reason to instigate or pry for a reason.
[XDA Developer TV] xHausx:
Weekly recap MIA this week?

I also wanted to share this with you all, I know it's a few days old now but I hadn't seen anything posted about it yet.

Oracle suit outs Google's closed source Android tactics
[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
These two quotes are related. All of us here are very aware of how Google chooses to open source Android. And hey, it's theirs, and their right. It's not unique to Google, and doesn't diminish the selling point. But people apparently thought they knew what "open source" necessarily meant, and got angry when they were wrong, like in xHausx's article. What I think Google should learn from Honeycomb is who its early adopters are, and who its developers are. Hint: They're the same people. Without developer interest, there's no early adoption, which is the market foundation of any technology. And of course, without a market, it's hard to motivate non-early-adopting developers to come aboard.

Now, what that article misses, and what FOSSPatents really uncovered, was how Android distribution policies would affect other OEMs after they obtain Motorola. Before, they had the Nexus project, and it was obvious to everyone that these devices are favored by Google. They receive the first updates, they have the best integration and make the best use of the OS, etc. When Google chose a manufacturer to make a Nexus phone, that OEM had a lot of privileges. And as long as Google didn't make its own devices, that relationship was trustworthy. And if Google actually managed to run Motorola as an entirely separate entity, they might still be trustworthy. But here's the concerning piece of policy that article quotes:

This used to refer to the Nexus line, because that's all it could really apply to. But that's not quite true. It's only after Google buys Motorola that we start seeing how this could apply to anything at all. The policy is non-specific. "... partners who build and distribute devices to our specification." What specification? This isn't published anywhere. You simply bring a product to them, they look it over and decide if it meets their specifications. Yes, they were doing this before. You had to have their apps, etc. so they could make money. But when they did it before, they didn't own a major OEM.

You know how you see tablets that aren't running Honeycomb? You know how you see the majority of devices coming out with Gingerbread only just in the last couple months? The only exceptions came from favored OEMs, who are licensed Honeycomb, or were licensed Gingerbread before the source code was released. That's the market advantage they're talking about in play, and that's fine.

No matter how much Google says Motorola will remain a separate entity, they cannot help but favor them. Google will give Motorola the market advantage because there's no reason Motorola wouldn't manufacture devices according to Google's specifications. Which are, again, completely unknown. Google can choose which devices are lead devices at whim, with no accountability whatsoever. That's what should scare the OEMs. And it probably does.

Not sure if there will be a recap this week. Svetius is out of town until Sunday, and may decide to skip it. But we might have something special for you then.
[XDA Developer TV] rafiqzadah:
Just an Idea.

I have just a slight idea in mind....

Idea: With XDA being the best phone website, and of greatest diversity, if not wrong, and the best of the best, in developers. Why not make a phone, I mean, all Devs get together, and Designers, and whatever what not (I saw some great talent in the concept design of the HTC Nuke, by an XDA MEMBER, not HTC Employee). Im pretty sure, there are members on XDA with connections in high places..... You guys catch my drift? Just get someone to sponsor the development, such as HTC, a huge industry... Or. do this. Make it Online based, with building per demand and per order, and I'm pretty sure that if we want to shell out 300-500 for a phone with locked bootloaders, we wont mind spending a bit more, if not sponsored by industry sized companies, to get the phone with best hardware, compatibility with all roms...

Again this is just an idea, and I'm actually writing this down as it comes into my head, hehe, no censorship.

Edit: And the reason I post this here is because maybe Azrienoch likes the idea, and can spread it to inform all XDA members, well atleast all that watch it anyway.
[XDA Developer TV] meltwater:
Now I love the idea, but hate to shoot down in flames but any idea what the costs are for producing hardware? Think about it, HTC make millions of handsets from a single design and still they sell well over the cost price, unfortunately it is because it is a highly expensive process (in terms of manufacturing processes, QC, design, certification, there is a lot more to it than just the parts + profit).

But this is also why Xda is so good, we take this hardware which is expensive to produce and tinker with the bit which costs very little to produce (other than huge amounts of time and skill and testing - it is expensive when you pay people to do that), which is the software.

Now, taking this idea forward, how about an XDA lead project using something like the Raspberry Pi (http://www.raspberrypi.org/) it's low cost hardware which could make an amazing multimedia TV device [yes, I plan to order one as soon as I can]. The advantage being that any additional hardware does not need to fit into a phone form factor (which is why the manufacturing process is so expensive in the first place), so those of us with hardware skills can also rise the bar.

I know it would be great to have a universal developers phone, but the costs would be very high to produce even something low end (it is an expensive business and it always comes down to the numbers!).

The best option is to see how things work out with the things being done with the primary bootloaders which Azrienoch mentioned. That may mean that any phone off the shelf can be used as we choose.

I was chatting the other day and we wondered if HTC might go for WebOS, since in theory they could make a single phone which could be flashed to whatever OS they want, WP7, Android or WebOS. That way the risk of creating another product is reduced since if WebOS or WP7 doesn't sell, they can re-flash to android. Personally I'd like it to do all three lol. Makes you wonder why they don't already, except of course, new handsets mean new sales, if a phone is too flexible then users will keep it much longer.
[XDA Developer TV] bdpyo:
I was watching the weekly recap last week while sitting in traffic, I was suddenly rear ended at about 60 MPH.

I'm not too sure what happened but since then, every-time I read anything I hear it, in you're voice. :confused:
[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
Holy Christ. Are you okay?
[XDA Developer TV] bdpyo:
I think so but when reading the latest Playboy magazine spread I tend to get a little freaked out and lose my mojo. :(
[XDA Developer TV] studacris:
And that's the moral of the news this week: horrible drivers can even ruin the love that only a magazine, a bottle of lotion and ole palmela handerson can provide...

Just sit back relax and enjoy yourself, literally.

And for the love of god the last thing you want to do is think about, AZ's face OR getting slammed in the rear end at 60 mph :p
[XDA Developer TV] SynisterWolf:
I guess they do watch the show...

http://computerworld.com/s/article/...l_with_Samsung?mm_ref=http://news.google.com/

Sent from my sexy assistant. (AMOLED HTC Incredible)
[XDA Developer TV] AllGamer:
LMAO! :D

just saw the BBQ video, the best part was "the Wings" :p
[XDA Developer TV] xi0nic:
Did you just say incompatible with each other... ps, about the iq of six, i have a tested iq of much more than six, and i love xda tv :rolleyes:
[XDA Developer TV] deanokidd95:
Feature request!!!!!!

Hi Azrienoch

My name is Dean and I just want to ask a few things...

On the next episode of XDA TV, could you please tell us why there is no ZTE Racer forums here? This device is extremely popular, particularly in the area I live, and is a good low-end device that is brilliant for beginner developers.

Also, what software do you use to make all those cool text animation things on your videos? I would love to know so I can use it on my own videos, as well.

I just want to say on behalf of 7 of my friends and myself that we love your work, so please keep it up!

Cheers,

Dean.

PS: Why did the door keep opening and closing in your latest vid that explains how much US Carriers suck?
[XDA Developer TV] azrienoch:
Hey Dean,

Not sure about the ZTE Racer. I'll ask. If you want to help, though, pm me a list of all the ZTE Racer development threads--especially the really important ones--and we'll see if there's enough interest on XDA.

I use Adobe AfterEffects, and the door opens and slams shut because of the wind.
[XDA Developer TV] snerism:
azrienoch: awesome, great show man! hilarious and informative.. keep it up!

your videos are so cool - all of em!

@Haters: keep hating and die with your hatred!
[XDA Developer TV] ssmr2t:
Hi Azrienoch! Can I please make a small request?

Would it be okay for Sassibob to do the next episode in her bikini?

Cmon man, you know you like to hear it ;)

you guys do a great job!
[XDA Developer TV] meltwater:
I think Azrienoch should do it in a mankini...would serve you right :D
[XDA Developer TV] ssmr2t:
A banana hammock would be pretty funny :D
[XDA Developer TV] meltwater:
Just digging this up since I've seen details on the Xiaomi Phone...which appears to be such a developers phone.

Details are here:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/xiaomi-phone-review/

Could be a good option for devs who don't want to buy into expensive contracts etc.
[XDA Developer TV] zelendel:
I was really surprised to see you support a group that openly breaks the GPL and goes against everything android stands for. Did they finally agree to releases the source for the kernel or did I miss something