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[Atrix 4G General] rjohnstone:
There two kinds of 4G as the carriers describe it (HSPA+ and LTE).

The radio in the Atrix only supports HSPA+.

Funny thing is, HSPA + and LTE are not true 4G.

Neither meet the defined standard.

IP based and 100 Mbps minimum download speed is true 4G according to the ITU.
[Atrix 4G General] ChongoDroid:
Wimax?

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[Atrix 4G General] ChongoDroid:
Lte... Wimax?

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[Atrix 4G General] ChongoDroid:
Hspa wimax lte... Choose your poison

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[Atrix 4G General] drumercalzone09:
Hm... I was digging on the AT&T site and came across this on the Tech Specs. It seems really ambiguous. Does anyone know the frequencies for LTE?
[Atrix 4G General] Hydro360:
True if you want to get technical wimax is the only true 4G. But the ramped up hspa+ which is basically the 3g uncapped and the lte are compatible. It's part of the design lte. Both verizon and att have designed their lte to be reverse compatible so for now we only get super 3g which will get the same speeds as wimax but as lte rolls out our phones will be compatible that's why their all being marketed as 4G LTE phones and not one or the other. The LTE system is reverse compatible with all 4G ready phones so no not exactly the same but close enough that it can still be called an apple no matter what color the skin is
[Atrix 4G General] Hydro360:
They all boast the same speeds. My friend just got the G2X on t-mobile he's consistently getting 6.5-7 on download and 3.5 up. We should be getting close to that if not the same when they uncap all the 4G phones.
[Atrix 4G General] rjohnstone:
Nope, WiMax is not true 4G either.

Yes, it's IP based, but it's too slow.
[Atrix 4G General] drumercalzone09:
So what you're saying is that the Atrix will be capable of what's currently available on Verizon LTE, but not true to the official 4G definition?
[Atrix 4G General] Hydro360:
It's all a stab at having wireless broadband speeds. This is the closest we'll see before our kids are designing the new phones
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
the frequencies don't matter, HSPA+ and LTE are different types of signals. THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. and our phone does NOT have an LTE radio.
[Atrix 4G General] drumercalzone09:
Well that's depressing, but about what I expected from Ma Bell. Can't wait to switch to Verizon once I get off my family plan, to be honest.
[Atrix 4G General] Chubby_Skunk:
The Atrix

DOESN'T

support LTE. Like everyone else says, It would need a new radio. If LTE didn't, then why can't Verizons 3G devices access it??? :p
[Atrix 4G General] Chubby_Skunk:
Im either going to get Verizon for LTE, if I can get it unlimited or I will go with T-Mobile and their HSPA+ (its fast enough for me).. plus T-Mobile is really cheap and I would save money. That is if the Ma Bell DeathStar does eat up T-Mobile... :(
[Atrix 4G General] ChongoDroid:
I'm just gonna wait until hsupa is fast before I even think about canada getting 4g

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[Atrix 4G General] drock212:
Nope not for AT&T anyways. I think I read somewhere they were thinking about using the 2mhz band but I don't think the fcc has given them that frequency yet.

thats just my 2 cents

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[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
there is no 2 MHz band for cell usage.. that's like AM radio level frequencies. are you sure you don't mean GHz?

either way, you can't have LTE that's broadcast at, say, 1700 MHz be usable by a HSPA+ radio that runs at 1700 MHz. completely different type of signal (modulation, envelope, etc). We cannot receive LTE on our phones. PERIOD.
[Atrix 4G General] drock212:
Your absolutely correct the 2mhz range is or was for tv. A lot of the reading I have bealen doing revolves around the fcc trying to divi this up to cell carriers but since it was originally meant for tv broadcast they don't know if they actually want to do that. 2mhz would be able to support decent LTE speeds since it was used to broadcast tv no?

Edit: 1700mhz hmmm perhaps its why att is pushing to get tmobile. It'll expand their network and also give them their LTE with little need for more towers.

thats just my 2 cents

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[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
i know that AT&T was looking into using FloTV's old frequency range, which qualcomm owned exclusively until they shut down floTV, and that runs in the 700 MHz. I don't think 2MHz is any good for a cellular signal, especially a digital one. just listen to your AM radio and you'll see how ****ty reception at that frequency can get; waves at that length aren't high enough energy to penetrate anything very far.

they did specifically state that purchasing t-mo would allow them to use thair 1700 AWS range (which t-mo exclusively has rights to) for their LTE network.

OTA TV broadcasts are at a higher frequency, from tens to hundreds of MHz. also note that with the switch from analog to digital they are still using the same frequencies for broadcast, just a different type of signal.
[Atrix 4G General] drock212:
Hmmm good info. Wonder what I read that talked about 2mhz... I'm probably recalling it all wrong lol it could just like you said actually be 2ghz. But I just googled and looks like the talks revolve around 700mhz or tmo's 1700. LoL who knows what I'm recalling. But as previously stated. Our phones unless going through some antenna upgrade is not capable of LTE.

thats just my 2 cents

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[Atrix 4G General] vbhines:
I'm sorry to bump the thread due to an older post, but AT&T, if you're reading this, your marketing department deserves that bonus now - Mission Accomplished.
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
What does your brother in law do at AT&T?

It stands to reason that since the merger with T-Mobile won't go through until next year, (if it goes through at all), that you won't see LTE on the AT&T network until some time after that, so where is he getting "later this year" from?
[Atrix 4G General] drumercalzone09:
He works at a corporate store. Even the website says they'll start rolling out LTE later in 2011, but who knows if they'll actually follow through...
[Atrix 4G General] EJL1980:
VZW rolled out LTE long before they had a LTE capable phone. The Atrix DOES NOT have a LTE radio.

Each slice of LTE can be smaller than 2MHz, maybe thats what you mean.
[Atrix 4G General] Inspiredwire:
That screenshot just says that of all the 4G technologies ATT will provide in the future (left column) the Atrix will only support HSPA+ (right column).

Notice the asterisk next to 4G. If you go back to the webpage where you took the screenshot, scroll down to the footer and you'll see the following text.

This discussion was beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten to death again months ago on the ATT Forums.
[Atrix 4G General] ChumleyEX:
Bwaaahahahahaha

NO!

4G is now a variable, saying your phone supports 4G just means it should be faster than 3G, one of the 4G technologies (because people are just lableing anything faster than 3G as 4G) is LTE (Verizon), Wimax (Sprint) HSDPA/HSPA+ or something (att and tmobile atm). This phone supports the "HSDPA 14.4 Mbps " connection which is not LTE (
[Atrix 4G General] Hydro360:
Ok so I'm not one who likes to be wrong and I thought I had done my research pretty darn well. But apparently I suck at research, so no the atrix isn't ready for lte. The LTE will be running on the 700mhz frequency which is what t-mobile is currently using and what qualcomm was using for their mobile tv broadcast, and yes that network is already pretty big so the lte devices will be compatible with everything, however our device shouldn't be lte capable. Now here's what's annoying to me. The captivate and iPhone 4 all have access to the same frequencies our phones do. Wtf.......
[Atrix 4G General] Hydro360:
ok so i was still looking. and either we're all major dupes or not even the phone companies know what theyre doing. but everysingle "4G" phone on the market right now shows the network frequencies that they have access too to be exactly the same. My friend just got the G2X and its frequencies are identical to the the Atrix. The thunderbolt has some random @$$ names on it. and even the Bionic's are the same as our phone. now heres whats weird the Captivate and iPhone 4 all have the same network access. Am i missing something? if LTE really is running on 700mhz how come none of them have access? The G2X gets consistent DL of 7.5 to 8.2 my Captivate rooted and tweaked would get consistently 5.0 to 7.5. So whats the difference here? looks like none of our phones are LTE ready but allegedly the G2X is running LTE.
[Atrix 4G General] rjohnstone:
The HTC Thunderbolt clearly states that it runs on the LTE 700 Mhz band along with the 800/1900 CDMA EvDO Rev A bands.

The Bionic uses the same bands as the Thunderbolt.

The G2X is just another HSPA+ phone like the Atrix.

It doesn't have any LTE support.

Read the specs page next time. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] rjohnstone:
T-Mobile doesn't have any LTE support, they use HSPA+ over the AWS band (1700Mhz)

And yes... apparently you do suck at research. ;)
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
just because two types of signals run on the same frequency does not mean they are compatible. if it is not the same type of signal, then the hardware CANNOT read it. i.e. if AT&T uses t-mo's 1700 MHz AWS spectrum for LTE, it does NOT mean that all of t-mo's 1700 MHz WCDMA phones are compatible.
[Atrix 4G General] Hydro360:
I did read the specs page. The bionic one I saw didn't have that on it
[Atrix 4G General] Hydro360:
So if att takes over the aws band and uses it for lte will the G2X be able to use LTE or would it just bump to whatever hspa+ is available
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
like i said, LTE and HSPA+ are different signal types and are NOT compatible regardless of the frequency.

T-mobile has no (and will not have any) LTE capable phones. The only phones out that are capable of LTE are on Verizon and MetroPCS right now.
[General Questions and Answers] nvrlose1:
It would be really nice, since this phone is sh!t with the software it has.
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jeff1969:
I downloaded 1.4.0 twice and tried to install it 2 different ways and I still get E:Error in /sdcard/Tiamat_Xoom-v1.4.0.zip (Status 0) Installation aborted. What am I doing wrong here? Help.
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vanhoud:
Try placing the zip file under sdcard2 folder then boot into clockwork and install from zip
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigeasy911:
you need it to be in sdcard2 folder. Then in clockwork choose boot into recovery. Install from there. You choose to install from zip.
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] twinkyz1979:
Of course you could just unpack the file and use the adb method stated for 1.3.1. I did that for this update along with 1.3.2 and i have had no problems. Just make sure you have a folder called sdcard2 in sdcard. (/sdcard/sdcard2)
[Droid X General] thelumberjack:
Hey XDA, relative noob here.

Currently running Liberty 1.5. With the donate Liberty toolbox can I go straight to the liberty gingerbread update? Or do I have to go through Liberty 2.0 then 2.0.1? Also, does the gingerbread liberty update include D2 bootstrap or do I need to get that now?

Thanks in advance.
[Droid X General] baretoes:
Short answer....yes. There are basically 2 files located in their "Nightlies" ROM list. The first, "Full Install", is for users on Froyo (I'm sure that includes users that are running ROMs other than Liberty on Froyo). This .zip file will not only get you Liberty Gingerbread, but also get you updated to 2.3.3 (Gingerbread). The second is for users on the leaked Gingerbread. Hope this answers your question.

By the way, DX Bootstrap will work on Gingerbread. You should have to go to Settings/Applications/Development and uncheck "USB debugging".
[Droid X General] thelumberjack:
So it won't matter what version of Froyo liberty I have? I can just flash straight to GB?
[Droid X General] baretoes:
That is correct. First file, "Full Install", will get you both Gingerbread AND Liberty. Second file will get you Liberty for users already on leaked Gingerbread.
[Droid X General] thelumberjack:
You are a saint my good man.
[Droid X General] thelumberjack:
One last question, does the toolbox automate the process after the zip file is downloaded or will I have to go through clockwork manually and wipe data/cache and install zip?
[Droid X General] baretoes:
I think it does take you through the process. However, I would install it manually, going through ClockworkMod Recovery (Bootstrap). Also, "wipe data/factory reset" 5 times then install from SD Card. It's always a good idea to do this to clean the heck out of the phone. Especially since you're upgrading to Gingerbread via a .zip file. Just talking from experience. Hope everything goes well.

By the way, it might take a while for the phone to boot, so make sure your phone is fully charged and give it like 10 minutes after it goes into the boot animation. Hope this helps.
[Droid X General] smiteme:
If I already have rooted GB and I want to install Liberty, I will still be rooted after I install liberty correct?
[Droid X General] baretoes:
Yes. In fact, that's how I installed it to try out the ROM. I was on the pre-released gingerbread, rooted, without any ROM. Then installed the 2nd file located in their 'nightlies'. It's ok, but I like Broodcomb 2.0. I'm sure once	Liberty is fully up and running in Gingerbread, I'll switch over.
[Droid X General] sundar2012:
Make sure u are prepared to sbf...liberty gb soft bricked an attempted update from liberty 2.1 the first time around.
[Droid X General] argentmacleod:
By the way, DX Bootstrap will work on Gingerbread. You should have to go to Settings/Applications/Development and uncheck "USB debugging".[/QUOTE]

I was wondering why I could not do a back-up. Every time I tried to get to recovery I would have to pull or even once sbf. Thanks amzing how much info if you dig.
[Droid X General] baretoes:
Hmm, not sure. I've been on Gingerbread now for a couple days without any issues backing up my data. Sorry to hear you're having issues. If anyone out there is having issues running Droid X Bootstrap on leaked Gingerbread, please respond.
[Droid X General] Xezuka:
I've gone from Liberty 1, Liberty 1.5, to 2.0, and now, Liberty GBv0.1

Absolutly STUNNING rom. It's continued to be the best ROM I've come across. Each update that comes brings with it a smoother experience. I love my Droid X like I love getting a new phone each time.

Amazing work by the Liberty team! :D
[Droid X General] smiteme:
The only issue I had with DX Bootstrap was during the actual installation of Gingerbread. It bricked my phone both times I used DX Bootstrap, but when I used D2 Bootstrap it worked perfectly.
[Droid X General] Farmer Andy:
Ok. I am a huge liberty fan but I went to the GB leak as soon as it was rooted. I would really like to go ahead and get back to Liberty GB but I have a question. I have never updated to the. 588 build. I am still running the. 573 build. Is the new Liberty GB compatible with that version?
[Droid X General] baretoes:
Good question. The Liberty ROM Manager doesn't state specifically which version of Gingerbread you need to be on. So, with that said, I can't imagine that it would matter between .573 and .588. I'm sure what's important is that you're on Android 2.3.3. Any reason as to why you wouldn't want to jump on the latest build? I'm sure there were some fixes addressed on .588.
[Droid X General] Farmer Andy:
Just never took the time to SBF back to Froyo...... This build has been very good to me.
[Droid X General] artietyro:
Similar here...I installed the Original Rooted and Deoxed Gingerbread....Used it for a couple of weeks while trying to decide if I wanted to update to the "Official Version"...Then the Liberty Rom came out.....installed it over the Gingerbread version I had....and all was well.....I can't say enough good things about the battery life on Gingerbread....it is double what I was getting before (Liberty 1.5)...

Also fwiw...I was not able to get the Liberty Automatic install to work..I had to Manually boot up the D2 bootstrapper and do the usual process from there.
[Droid X General] Farmer Andy:
Well, to follow up on my post, I took the plunge. Its only been a few hours but everything seems to be working very well. Decided this morning to just dive in and see what happens....... And, just in case someone has the same question I did, I installed directly over .573 rooted, non-deodexed, and experienced ZERO issues with installation. Latest nightly also installed with zero issues....
[Droid X General] baretoes:
Glad to hear everything went well. Sometimes you gotta do, what you gotta do, and play guinea pig.
[Droid X General] ahffl:
need some help

i had originally moved to Liberty Gingerbread about a week ago. Did a backup at that point but im getting a check sum error. I was running Gingerbread fine until... At any rate... the real problem...

i patched the liberty throttle zip. when i attempted to reboot i just get to the initial Liberty screen (not the swirling symbol) just the word LIBERTY. I was able to get to the recovery mode a couple of random times but cant figure out how to get back again. I can get to Bootloader but cant get back to the area to apply a zip from SD card etc.

- issue 2 - i attempted a restore to a previous zip which I believe was Rubix2.0 and that didnt work either. I still booted to LIBERTY and no further.

obviously most important is getting back to being able to apply a zip. Any help is appreciated.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JeramyEggs:
Sorry about posting such a newb question, but I flashed from incredibly re-engineered to incrom because I was having a problem using the streaming app orb. After wiping everything but boot I loaded the zip. It loaded,and booted fine, but titanium back up, and Tom manager forced close even after permissions were fixed. So I tried to revert to a nandroid, but the apps were still broken l, even my nandroid after initial root. So I did a advanced restore, used Incrom, but pulled data from a earlier nand. It worked, the only problem I have at this point is the file system is completely different than my wife's rooted dinc. Is this because of it being odexed? I have no data/data file, and others are missing. I am alright where my phone is right now, but am afraid that if I try to revert again, titanium will be broken, and so on. What would be the best step from this point? Again, sorry for the lousy post, and sorry for the typo's.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] renzo.olivares:
Hmm did titanium and tom manager come wit the rom?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JeramyEggs:
I think so, but what confused me was after a factory reset, and restoring my very first nandroid, they would download, and gain su rights, but then force close. They work fine now, as far as I can tell. I just wonder how the rom affected me even after a factory reset?
[EVO 4G General] drbadass:
Hey folks,

Just curious, as I'm planning on transitioning to the Evo 3D when it drops, is there any practical use for my current Evo after I transfer service to the new phone?

I don't know how all of the services it uses work, so I'm wondering if it would retain GPS capability-- if so it would be nice to just leave in my car as a permanent GPS -- even if it would have to wifi tether to my new phone.

Or any other good uses for it? I suppose it might not be a bad portable media player/backup phone in case something happens.

Thoughts?
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
I don't believe the GPS will work as it requires data, could still suffice as a WiFi device at the home / Music // Media player on the go.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
The gps would work on wifi. The ipod proves that theory. Id personaly sell the evo and offset your new purchase.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Well, GPS vs A-GPS. Not quite the same as the latter requires a data connection. Wouldn't necessarily stop you from mapping out a route and storing.

Essentially, the data is what you won't have. Naturally. And, yes, having it as a backup phone for 'just in case's.'
[EVO 4G General] drbadass:
Yeah that's basically what im trying to decide on. I will be honest, I want the 3D for its speed but I prefer the form factor of the evo by far-- ports on bottom, separate for hdmi/usb, and a built in kickstand.. the 3D is kinda fugly in my opinion.
[EVO 4G General] lacrossev:
gps works fine if you have the maps cached or use a 3rd party program with apps pre-loaded like copilot. I have an evo that i use for that same purpose, as well as a media controller for all the computers around that house that are connected to TVs or sound systems.
[EVO 4G General] LuckZz:
A all around media device would be good use for it. Personally I'm on the road alot so when I upgrade I will use this phone for music and movies.
[EVO 4G General] ckoadiyn:
will make a good paper weight lol not trying to put it down as i love my evo just sayin tho :p
[EVO 4G General] 27s:
I use my old hero as an MP3 player/navigation/wifi Pandora player. With the radio off it will last for days (Duh?). My evo will run for 4 days with the radio off, with 6hrs of music played(per day). I do have sprints ext. Battery however.
[EVO 4G General] alexisprz:
E-reader,calculator, calender, degree measurer, ruler, emulator, camcorder, notepad, flashlight, alarm clock...

Anyone want to add to what's not posted ?
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
it will be great as an .. ipod like device.

that is what my daughter is doing with my old hero.
[EVO 4G General] bronxknight28:
How about a back up phone just in case your 3D explodes (from awesomeness) and you're waiting for a new one to arrive
[EVO 4G General] Sry0fcr:
The 3D isn't enough of a step up to upgrade to IMO but if you do upgrade it won't do anything the 3D couldn't do so it's kind of a duplicative device unless you want to keep it around as a spare.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
I love the specs of the evo 3D but the design is FUGLY.the new LG phones(the Optimus/Optimus 3D) look really sexy.I hope HTC makes some design changes before release.
[EVO 4G General] alaman68:
could you still make google voice calls over wifi?
[EVO 4G General] moonpie28:
The sprint reps are saying that the 3D overclocks pretty readily to 2GHZ. Even if I have to use it plugged in at that speed it's a substantial upgrade. I'll sell my old EVO probably and use my girlfriend's upgrade. Cha Ching! You should still get 2-250 by then.
[EVO 4G General] moonpie28:
Yes, I have a friend using GV and SIP on a wifi EVO.
[Nexus S General] Fuse8499:
My capacitive back button is going crazy!!! I figured it was just the rom or a program running in the background. So I rebooted into recovery and it happened then too!!! Definitely a hardware issue. I didn't drop the phone and I wiped the screen clean. So I'm not sure what the problem is. Is there any way I can disable the back button completely and remap it to the Search button? I never use the Search button, so this would work for me. Please help!
[Nexus S General] Maelos:
I have had this happen to me, it would randomly act up. After two weeks or so, it just stopped happening.

I have seen reports on forums that some people have tightened the screws on the back of the phone and had luck with that fixing the problem.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.
[Nexus S General] damir545:
Yeah happened to me too when I first rooted it, found out it wasn't the root that did it but an application that I put on there that was not compatible with the phone.
[Nexus S General] tchan1:
I had the same problem too -- I posted this a few days ago on another thread dealing with this problem. I'm not sure why it's happening but it many people think it's a software incompatibility issue. I did five hard resets and the problem went away. Most people who tried the hard resets only did it once, and the problem persists. It'll even persist in recovery. I think you need to do enough hard resets until the problem disappears. Mine now is glitch-free -- good luck.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=952535&highlight=back+button+issue&page=2

Nexus S

Rooted Stock 2.3.1

T-mobile unlocked
[Nexus S General] deeren:
Try installing the stock 2.3.4 just for trial. The new update fixed all my issues with the back button