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[Nexus S General] adox:
Ok I think this has been asked before but,where the hell are all of the devs!? We have a few really great devs,but I can't help but wonder why don't we have more? Is the nexus s to little to late?

Anyways if this phone had more dev support it would truly Beast of a device :(
[Nexus S General] wuyanks:
Dual-Core and LTE has just been too enticing for devs...

with the thunderbolt out on Verizon, and the G2X on T-Mobile, we're lucky we have the devs we do... At least we have the heavy hitters: CM and MIUI. We also have Sense in development and improving fast. And lastly we have three GREAT kernel devs... Of course the more devs the merrier, but let's be thankful with who we have.
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels

Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.

It's also partially because we're on Gingerbread. For example, for the Vibrant there are a lot of ROMs but they're all the same thing but themed differently. But behind the scenes, they're really the same ROM.
[Nexus S General] demo23019:
I'm also little disappointed but what you said is so true we might not have allot but we have great ROMS i use CM7 myself

and we also just got ROM with hardware codecs and with sprint now we should hopefully get more support
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
people seems to forget... the device is still very new

it was released on late December 2010, we are still in April 2011

that's only 4 months, yet look at all the great stuff that we got going already.

in contrast the same time for Galaxy S, it took them more than 8 months to get them where they are now, when the SGS was released 4 months and we still did not see any decent ROM coming out.
[Nexus S General] adox:
Woo now, I made no point to say I was unhappy just discouraged. I am extremely happy with the kernels and roms we have as well as our devs. I am simply asking were all the devs are being a vanilla android device and one with great hardware at that it would make sense for more devs to come to the ns rather a locked boot loader phone etc.

Edit: I actually made it a point in my first post about the fact we do have great devs :)
[Nexus S General] irishrally:
Don't forget we have Supercurio too!
[Nexus S General] adox:
^ that guy is the man :D him morific (I guess he's not doing kernels anymore), netarchy <3 , apreichner,ogdobber,mrNameless etc all are amazing :D (all of the top of my head but yeah there are a few more )
[Nexus S General] MarkusPO:
Take note, this is very well said.

If OP, you were paying money into a pool for ROM devs, you'd have a valid point, but, as you're not, re-read the quote above.
[Nexus S General] deejaylobo:
What would you like to see developed? More ROMs/Kernels? What should they do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
[Nexus S General] fallenguru:
I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:

Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.

Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.

Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS! :D

Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.

That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.

Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?

EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
[Nexus S General] Haadkoe:
I'd love to see what the dev's can really do... only time will tell I guess, but getting TV-Out, FM (both receiving and especially transmitting), and maybe even USB host working would be totally nifty.
[Nexus S General] matt2053:
The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:

Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math :)
[Nexus S General] deejaylobo:
Honestly, I love the look and feel of this phone. No reception issues and gps problems either. We have a couple of devs working on Touch and Sense. Touch port might open up possibilities for TV out. I think it's a matter of time. The phone is still young like Allgamer said.
[Nexus S General] Hexmaster93:
Very true and coming from a vibrant I can say there is a ton of roms for it but ultimately a fully working aosp Rom is all they wanted and we already have therefore there's not really the need for that many roms
[Nexus S General] TubeShaped:
Just my cents: I recently sold my Galaxy S and bought a Nexus S. On the Galaxy S Dev forums there is more activity, but you know why? It's because things are BAD on the SGS and the devs/users try to fix all the things that samsung screwed up. This is my first day on the NS and as an user I'm 100% happy with the stock rom already. I installed CM7 and now I'm like "I must be dreaming". And I*can tell you the devs over there spend a lot of time improving the Samsung roms. I was constantly tinkering around with the SGS, it was such a waste of time.

In short: There isn't much to improve on the Nexus S, it just works. I*feel relieved.
[Nexus S General] rallos98:
i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
[Nexus S General] XxSilent22xX:
Same, I'm a former N1 user and beginning to miss it alot.

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] adox:
Ok guys this thread had nothing to do with quality or quantity, but rather activity. I was just curious as to why we don't have more devs+ activity, maybe I over looked the fact that it takes time lol. And also I meant no dissrespect to any dev what so ever, what ever work you have done for this device I truly thank you :)
[Nexus S General] adox:
Honestly just more diversity really, I think I should have been more specific in the original post. I believe the more devs the greater possibility for sense/touch wiz and various hacks to happen. I think that I'm just worried we are being left behind for all the dual core phones, I'm not saying we don't have support and devs, but if this phone were released a bit earlier it wouldn't have to compete with phones such as the sensation,atrix,g2x(2x), and especially the galaxy 2
[Nexus S General] enoch861:
If you really want a device with a booming ROM section and developers and all that good jazz, look no further than the HD2. It is still by far the only device that I've found/had that truly has ROMs that improve on everything and has a booming community of devs and the such.
[Nexus S General] adox:
I actually had one lmao, sometimes I regret getting rid of it :(
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
Dev's for some reason want AOSP...they don't want to actually use their phone to do things that an average consumer would expect from a high end phone. Since Android doesn't have much competition with Apple anymore they don't care to improve anything anymore. We finally have a native video calling application, and from the looks that means I can finally have somewhat of a wifi calling ability if only for google talk users.
[Nexus S General] enoch861:
I feel ya on that one!

I'm planning on going back to a G2 from this vibrant
[Nexus S General] Smokexz:
The only devices with a Honeycomb port:

Evo

Nexus One

Nook Colour

Galaxy Tab

Nexus S

( if I missed one, my bad)

If that is weak dev support to you then I don't know what strong dev support it. I think we are doing great considering there are only about 4 devices officially out with Gingerbread, the devs are porting Sense and we really don't have any other ROMs to port to the Nexus S. Why would we want to port Froyo ROMs to this device? Just be patient and you will start seeing some nice Gingerbread ROMs for other devices like a port of Motoblur could be possible with the leaked Froyo build for the Droid, or one of TouchWiz since the Galaxy S got updated to Gingerbread a while back ago. Also, it's true there are faster more exciting devices coming that a dev would rather spend his time with. When the Galaxy S2 comes out in the states we will start seeing some ROMs for it real soon, who knows maybe when the next Nexus device comes out there will be more dev interest, but for now the Nexus S didn't leave as much a hardware impact as the Nexus One did so many didn't buy it for the fact that better things were coming in a few weeks/months. If the next Nexus device is quad core, then seriously expect people to mess around with it, but as of now people have worked on the Galaxy S series long enough, they are basically the same device so why bother just going to make ROMs because one has a different name?

Sent from my Xoom
[Nexus S General] enoch861:
You skipped the G2/Desire Z
[Nexus S General] morfic:
Way to start a rumor :P I Work, and while i work test stuff a little more thoroughly, there is good stuff out, no need to rush to win a non existent race ;P

Ok, so i touched the G2X source for a buddy a little, but with frequency tables read form boot loader it's either more work or using the fake shmoo someone else already made for 2X.

But most importantly: Thanks. (And i was almost able to ignore the superfluous 'i' in my nick ;P )

Agreed, vibrant is a constant who has the latest leak and a "how can we make the phone as snappy as it should have been", on Nexus S, no worries, we get the next release w/o freaking out, bugs are fixed, features added, we had ext4 from day one.

Without Samsung's RFS blunder we wouldn't have voodoo* probably.

T-Mobile does have a $199 upgrade to G2X, but right now, i still got my NS, i want a new toy, but then i swipe up in adw and the app drawer just pops in like there is no tomorrow on my 1.1GHz UV kernel and i wonder how much faster this could possibly go and my gadetitis calms down again. :P
[Nexus S General] adox:
No no I'm sorry I just saw in your kernel thread you received a crust and decist (sp) from apple. But glad to know you are still making kernels :D
[Nexus S General] Smokexz:
Well let's put it this way, these devices are not meant to be used by casual users, but Google makes it possible for us to pick em up. These things are just meant to be a base to start making Android apps and test them. This is why you don't see these things getting ports of sense and touch wiz etc, sure you saw it on the Nexus one but that's because its software was advanced at the time and it was a device that had around the same hardware the other devices ran so it made sense, but the majority of future software is run by devices that have better hardware. So it doesn't make sense to work on old hardware, not every device can be like the Droid or G1, which to this day are unofficially running just about every ROM you can think of. If you bought a Nexus S you shouldn't be expecting ROMs to be made for you, and running them as daily drivers, you should be beta testing. Like the people who tried out the Nexus Sense ROM, they are helping develop the ROM by just giving what does and does work, this shouldn't be a device every other person can say "iPhone 4 or Nexus S?".

Sent from my Xoom
[Nexus S General] Androyed:
I'm anything but an expert in Custom ROMs, but from what I saw we aren't missing that much. If I take a look at the Development section of other phones, I see a lot of crap between the good stuff. Things that are just the same but with a different name.

And besides that, the Galaxy S forum for example is way to crowded. How can a beginner like me find anything there? Take a look at the Development section here. There are a couple of ROMs, and some are indeed kind of the same, but we do have all the stuff that really is different: CM7, MIUI, Sense and heck, even Honeycomb. I really learned something from this Development section, something I would not have learned at the Galaxy S's Development section. The guide to all Custom ROMs, themes and kernels is awesome!

Then there are the other things that already have been said:

- Nexus S isn't for sale for that long, certainly not in Europe.

- Gingerbread isn't released on most devices

- Vanilla Gingerbread just works already. It doesn't need any fixes. And that is what most ROMs for the Galaxy S are for.

And DO NOT forget Supercurio and his great Voodoo Sound!
[Vibrant General] movieaddict:
I dont know about u but im just dying for my new Galaxy s 2 and i found this. this was written less then a week ago. I so badly want this phone!!:D:p

There are reports that Samsung VP Paul Brennan stated the sleek slimming smartphone, Samsung Galaxy S2 will be released in US and Canada during Q3 2011. He mentioned that it’s possible that Canada may see the smartphone before the US which is surprising. The whole ordeal is due to contract negotiations with major carriers which means that possibly all the major US carriers, Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, and Sprint, could be getting this bad boy.

Despite this news, anything could still change since that is months from now, so an earlier release is still possible if contract negotiations are settled and other processes are completed. So I wouldn’t lose all hope just yet, as soon as the first official release is out that will get the ball moving and the Samsung Galaxy S2 will gradually make its way around the world. No official pricing has been announced, but for people from the States, you can expect the standard deal of $199 with a 2-year contract for the major carriers.

for people in uk and surrounding areas:

http://samsunggalaxys2review.org/buy-samsung-galaxy-s2
[Vibrant General] oka1:
Yup read this......... I want a new phone but when Vibrant 4G came out I knew they would not release quick, they got to sell that stock first:(.......
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
battery life.... that's really about it. htc really dropped the ball when it came to that. i have never been able to achieve decent battery life, even on custom kernels.

what about you guys?
[EVO 4G General] borrowedchief:
I have no issues whatsoever. I get about 12-16 hours on a stock rooted EVO. I also have an extra Hero battery that I can pop in my back pocket if need be.

Simply love this phone
[EVO 4G General] emcp422:
really, bad battery life, because i use Vaelpak with netarchy 4.2.2cfs havs less and i get a fulll day with normal to a little heavy usage, and on light days y get like 30 hours, by light i mean checking my email 3 times a day, facebook also 3 times a day a few minutes worth of call and couple dozen texts, also a few online searches on sports schedules and so. so i dont know how some people still say battery sucks. any how my dislike is probably my evo doesnt have my coffee ready when it wakes me up
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
most of us have no idea how some of you achieve the 30+ hr battery life. even with a 2000mAh battery & sbc i get no where near that.
[EVO 4G General] emcp422:
couldn't really point it out, you know with this my final set up i wiped, installed rom, booted, wiped, erased battery stats, flash kernel, boot, set cpu profiles, turn mobile data always on to off used the 3g tweak where you go into ##3282# and changed the last prl to 0 and 0.0.0.0, turn my screen brightness down use launcher pro, and after doing all this i let my phone discharge till it hit 15% and charged to full did this the next 3 charge cycles, and after testing it for a week i realized that if i didnt use my phone it would only drop 1% every 2 hours and when i was using it it would drop about 1% every 5 minutes
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
Well, that's because most of us don't use the Evo to play 3D games that push the GPU to the limit, watch Sportscenter using the Slingplayer while you're at work, constantly flash different things just to see what they do or it looks like, HDMI mirroring, etc. If all I did was check my emails a few times a day and send out a few texts, my phone would last 30 hours, too. During off peak hours that my phone isn't constantly syncing and I'm asleep, it will go down from 100% to maybe 92% overnight. The thing is, I never put it down during the day so I (and people like me) have to keep it on the charger at all times or keep extra batteries. I do both. lol

Asides from that, my only complaints include the annoying pop-up window that comes up with the OEM verison of Swype. I also wish that Sense had landscape support for the home screen and that the camera wouldn't take 5 seconds to focus and shoot. But the pros greatly outweight the cons IMO.
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
Yes on stock battery with juice defender and sbc i get 15-16 hours with normal use.. less if I play a game or 2. Really have nothing bad to say about the evo

from my phone duh
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
To be honest, I've had sooo many phones and id have to say the evo is hands down my favorite phone ever. I will say its hard to say what I dislike because this phone literally does EVERYTHING. I don't expect battery life to be amazing given it has a 4" screen but if I had to choose id say the power/volume buttons. HTC could have done a better job on the quality; being a rom flasher tears these buttons a new one.
[EVO 4G General] imex99:
I don't believe these claims for 1 minute..... with your heavy or "Light" usage.

Checking email 3 times a day, it's a smartphone(should be able to check emails when you want), should be able to check facebook when you want. To make calls when you want and not worry about your phone being dead in 4 hours.

The EVO is still my favorite phone to date, I buy a new smartphone every 12 months when allowed...

I have so many different roms/kernels and give them a few days to settle down. I have try the battery conditioning tips, etc..... There is no way, unless your barely using your smartphone that ANYONE get's that good of battery.

I sync my emails every 2 hours, facebook every 2 hours, have weatherbug synced, tweetcaster(twitter) 15 minutes and my 2 games of wordsmith and wordfeud.

I did a test last night, charged my phone to 100%, turned wifi on and set my phone on my night stand all 11pm. I woke up at 9am and my batter way down to 24%. I had many missed notifications, text, emails, game moves, etc..... That much of a drain with wifi on and on standby is crazy!

I will be getting the nexus 4g and then the EVO 3D, I hope one of those phones batteries will be improved than the EVO 4G.
[EVO 4G General] sitlet:
Believe it. I can get about 40 hours on my phone with light usage. 20-30 texts a day, 2-3 times checking facebook, and a few emails sent and received all day. I can get this with Myn's 2.2 rom, and with using Setcpu to gradually scale the cpu down as the battery goes down.

ANd I probably could go 48 hours if I was on wifi and not 3g.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Pics or it didn't happen .......
[EVO 4G General] gnmitchell:
I agree at first that battery life was less then spectacular. But after rooting and using custom Roms as well as setcpu my battery life is very good. I would consider myself a moderate user (50 -60 emails, 40-50 texts, 20-30 calls, some internet searches etc) and my battery after unplugging at 7am and getting home at 6pm is still 50-60%.
[EVO 4G General] nhutpham:
I have to say that I am disappointed with the camera, low light shots/making videos isn't as good as some of the other phones out there. I was looking forward to the camera when I got the device, and it took such good pictures in the store - it hasn't been that horrible using it or anything, I have gotten some good pics and all, but these days I usually have to take 5 pictures to get one good shot.
[EVO 4G General] gqstatus0685:
I can't stand the ****ty speakerphone. I use it every day while driving and I have to lay the phone on my chest to hear the person. If the Evo 3Ds speakerphone is this ****ty they better toss in a bra with the phone purchase.
[EVO 4G General] Samzebian:
love the phone, but I've had it replaced twice (thanks insurance) for build quality issues, light leak, screen splotches, cracked buttons, etc.

Battery life has been horrible since day 1 (bought on release date), but 2 spare batteries gets me through the day.

The cameras are great, but the FFC sucks without bright lighting, and the rear cam is great until it's pitch black out. Also for video it's not the best.

Kickstand is awesome but unstable at times

it wasn't free? lol I don't know what else to say it's my favorite phone I've ever owned so far!
[EVO 4G General] nabbed:
You battery should have been above 90%, and you shouldn't have missed any notifications.

Your phone is obviously defective.
[EVO 4G General] emcp422:
i wish this screen would show detailed, but my phone only shows system as a whole, haven't looked for a more detailed way, don't really need it as dont need to prove my battery stats to none
[EVO 4G General] wfrandy:
I can't really say that the battery is an issue with mine. I almost never use wifi, have gps on all the time. Sync twitter, weather and gmail, and play at least 2 Wordwise games a day. I take the phone off of the charger at about 8:00 AM and it lasts until I put it back on around 12:00 PM. If I play two or three hours of games it won't make it that long, but neither will any other smartphone that I have used.

My only disappointments with this phone are, the mediocre camera, the lack of internal memory, and Sprints crappy data speeds. I have had mine since launch day and have only replaced one speaker that went bad, other than that it has worked flawlessly.
[EVO 4G General] jstalford:
CAMERA SUCKS. 5mp iPhone camera mops the floor with the POS camera on the Evo. Evo is still a better phone, but my god, the camera blows.
[EVO 4G General] jxr94:
My complaints are that HTC doesn't like us very much anymore and that hardware isn't user upgradeable lol. The first one doesn't matter since we have xda, and the second industry is just unrealistic lol. But my battery life is normal, get about 9 hours per battery which is fine since I have 2.
[EVO 4G General] mschaffer:
dislikes

My EVO Dislikes:

needs a keyboard (I don't want a shift, it's screen is too small for me)

needs a scroll wheel and/or a D-pad

screen senses my palm better than my fingers quite often

battery life is too short (Making the back less rounded frees up oodles of room for a larger battery!)

camera is awful (slow, imperfect focus, bad flash, ...)

needs better voice dialing (especially through bluetooth) but this is really an Android problem

That being said, I think it's still one of the best Android phones on the market. However, there's a lot of room for improvement! Something like the Dell Venue Pro is more to my liking, but Dell's phones are of poor build quality (for example, hot glue should not be structural).

PS: I had a streak and I am glad I sold it. What a joke that was. Not to mention how long it took them to get 2.2 on it. And when they finally did get 2.2 on it, it was quite inferior to what was available from places like XDA-devleopers. Sheesh!
[EVO 4G General] bjb_nyj101:
Your battery use screen should show more info than that. Why doesn't it?

Wheres your Display percentage for example?