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[General Questions and Answers] tolis626:
See?Told 'ya! ;)

Anyway,I tend to believe that the new generations strongest beast(They are all beasts after all)is the Adreno 220.Couple it with the fact that the GPU gets overclocked together with the CPU(Integrated),if you overclock it at a healthy frequency(1.8GHz anyone? :D Yeah,I'm THAT mad!)you will get dreamy performance.

Anyway,the Sensation's benchmarks are just from prototypes,so we have yet to see its true potential.

Sure thing is they are all very damn fast,and everything will be even faster when multi-core optimized apps hit the market.Until then we can only sit back and enjoy the show.I for one am torn between the Galaxy S 2 and the Sensation.Which one I'll get?Dunno yet.If it wasn't for the Super Amoled + screen I wouldn't even be thinking about it,but the screen on those things is damn beautiful.On the other hand,the Sensation has qHD screen...Why,oh why are they so expensive?I'd get both otherwise! :eek:
[General Questions and Answers] sharkonland:
As a DesireHD owner myself, im on the same boat as you my friend. My only gripe with the sgs2 is the non qhd res screen and comparatively weak gpu, especially how their last gen sgs gpu was miles ahead of everyone else. There's also the option to get the tegra2 powered sgs2, but i think that one does not have samoled+ display, also im not sure if the tegra2 unit will be OC'd to 1.2. Im seriously considering now the evo 3d gsm, but not only does it have no built in memory:( but its coming out later and sgs 2 is already out.
[General Questions and Answers] FishTaco:
Benchmark: Mali 400 (Samsung S II) > Adreno 220 (HTC Sensation)

"Smartbench 2011 is one of the few synthetic benchmark tests that are able to measure multicore performance, so these results are for both CPU cores at work. The Samsung Galaxy S II steadily beats the HTC Pyramid in both the productivity (3732 vs 1898 points), and GPU tests (2431 vs 1426 points)."

But it also notes:

"Bear in mind that the Galaxy S II that the test was run on, seems to be the final version, with the 1.2GHz Exynos chipset, and the HTC Pyramid was the internal name of the HTC Sensation when it was still a prototype, so we’ll wait for the retail version to pass judgement on the 1.2Ghz Snapdragon chipset inside."
[General Questions and Answers] bcam117:
Mali seems to be doing pretty damn good.

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedet...2&testgroup=overall&benchmark=glpro20&var=top

And what matters is real life performance. See any vid of the galaxy s 2 and its buttery smooth, even while playing hd flash in the browser.
[General Questions and Answers] dario3040:
The qHD display isn't really that much sharper than the Super Amoled Plus display, but it decreases performance.

And the Super Amoled also has: Better colors, totally black (also saves power), 1ms response (good when you watch movies), 180 degree, viewing angle, and responds better you your touches.

Did I mention that it was thin? :P

Also the Exynos Chip is stronger.

I belive that the CPU is customized by Intrisity, but I can't confirm that.

And the Mali-400MP will probably get better drivers. (not that it would lag anyway :rolleyes:)

Galaxy S 2 is also thinner.

I think it's the best choice.

HTC Sensation is awesome, but Galaxy S 2 is the best phone on the market.

But on one final note: I recommend that you wait for the Nexus 3 that comes around Christmas.

It's rumored to have the Tegra 3 chip inside (quad-core).
[General Questions and Answers] laderios:
But PenTile Display...

Since I know this the Sensation was also one candidate for me along with the S2.

But now the S2 will be my next phone after my desire, I guess.
[General Questions and Answers] neelpatel007:
Hi

Even I changed my mind from HTC sensation to SGS2 .... after watching such a low benchmark performance of HTC sensation see it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RHziztN2gs

And after watching the superb clearity of SuperAMOLED display , against HTC's blurry screen ,,,,,... m in love with SGS2......

See it here... http://www.youtube.com/user/SlashGear?ob=5#p/u/0/p3axSZX1R_s

I dont know what that HTC people did with Adreno 220 n i have no clue why it's benchmarks are low......

So all time Sensation lover has now moved to SGS2 .... SGS2 rocks....

See the FPS in the second video , SGS2 is far better in 2D n 3D performance too..... HTC s**ckin big time.... big disappointment....
[General Questions and Answers] scores87:
mali 400 < sgx 540 < ulp < adreno 220

mali is best but problem is some games are only compatible with tegra's ULP
[General Questions and Answers] bobbymokie:
any pc modder knows resolution is a huge tax on graphics. benchmarks dont mean much at different resolutions, not to mention frame rate caps. mali might have a slight edge on adreno in a fair test, but not enough to swing a decision i dont think. screen and build quality will be the biggest variance. imo htc wins build quality, and higher res screen is better for text/browsing. Samsung's lower res (and crazy good looking) screen will always lead to higher frame rates, so they win for games/ vids. Ill be getting the sensation the day its released (work for tmob, decision was kinda made for me)
[General Questions and Answers] Drzfr3shboialex:
can you give details on the mytouch 4g slide?
[General Questions and Answers] droid_does:
it uses the 2nd gen snapdragon SoC

Adreno 205 GPU IIRC
[General Questions and Answers] bobbymokie:
not internal, but http://www.tmonews.com/2011/04/htc-doubleshot-to-be-dubbed-mytouch-4g-slide/

that says its basically a sensation with smaller screen + keyboard. makes sense.

some more early info on smartphonebenchmarks.com
[General Questions and Answers] vestaxman:
All the gpu benchmarks are out of date and dont show real world performance the sgs2 has its fps capped at 60 on most benchmarks it scores 60 the tegra is capped af 80 fps but most screens can only manage 60fps.
[General Questions and Answers] bobbymokie:
oops redacted
[General Questions and Answers] Drzfr3shboialex:
with 3D
[General Questions and Answers] bobbymokie:
3d? i hadnt heard anything about 3d on it, where was that?
[General Questions and Answers] Drzfr3shboialex:
Another interesting tidbit is the fact that phone supports the codec for 3D video playback indicating the possibility of a 3D screen? And just like the screen, the 8MP camera will also support 3D video recording.

http://phandroid.com/2011/04/28/leaked-rom-reveals-full-specs-for-t-mobile-mytouch-4g-slide/
[General Questions and Answers] Drzfr3shboialex:
but thats not dual core, and the leaks shoe it is dual core
[General Questions and Answers] fufnk:
I think that the latest test (review) on gsm arena

realy show almost the real power of samsung exynos and mali 400 cpu(gpu) on gingerbread 2.3.3! and it outperforms Tegra 2 big time!!! You should not look at the first tests of galays s II phone on 2.3.1 firmware with beta video drivers...
[General Questions and Answers] Kangal:
Well its more like this:

SGX543MP2(iPad2) > SGX 543 = Adreno 220 > SGX540 (@300MHz) > Geforce ULP [Tegra2] > SGX 540 (@200MHz) = Mali -400 >> Adreno 205 > SGX 535 >> Adreno 200 = SGX 530.

Stock Galaxy S has a better gpu than stock Galaxy SII. If you overclock the Galaxy S's gpu (sgx540) it will be leaps and bounds faster than the SGSII's (mali400) gpu. At this moment the mali-400 cannot be overclocked.

The OMAP44xx chipsets come with the SGX540 overclocked at 300MHz, which makes it nearly as powerful as the SGX543 or the Adreno 220.
[General Questions and Answers] bcam117:
Lol from where are you getting this may I ask?

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Apple+iPad+2 <---ipad 2

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Hardkernel+ODROID-A

^^ more or less same chipset as the s2 but with similar resolution tot he ipad 2 (possibly lower clock)

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Samsung+GT-i9100+Galaxy+S2

^^ Galaxy s 2 (mali) :)

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedet...X&testgroup=overall&benchmark=glpro20&var=top

^^ tegra 2 (same res as s2)

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedet...D&testgroup=overall&benchmark=glpro20&var=top ^^ overclocked sgx540

http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedet...n&testgroup=overall&benchmark=glpro20&var=top

^^ Sensation (has higher res)

http://nena.se/nenamark/view?version=2 Nenamark 2 is much more demanding than the first one, made specifically for higher end phones. The results are self explanatory.

The point being all that you said is more or less rubbish that I believe I saw in another thread, and there by no stretch of the imagination is tegra 2 better than the mali 400mp. That being said these gpus all kick ass and we should be getting more out of them (iphone 4 being the best example).
[General Questions and Answers] neelpatel007:
what wrong htc did with Adreno 220 ? ... i simply cant understand or is it because of it's asynchronus cpu.?...

adreno 220 scored highest among most other... but when it comes to sensation , it performs too bad in graphics....

anybody have any clue?
[General Questions and Answers] neelpatel007:
Use Chainfire 3d to run tegra games on your mobile
[General Questions and Answers] neelpatel007:
Visit here

he has done lot of comparison b/w SGS2 and sensation

subscribe n support him if u like it....

it helped me a lot....

http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen

and please request him to do smartbench 2011 on both phones....
[General Questions and Answers] bobbymokie:
every single frame the sensation has to render 134400 more pixels. 26% heavier load, lower frame rate. At some point the benchmarks will start taking screen resolution into account.
[General Questions and Answers] wc326:
so which gpu is better??
[General Questions and Answers] neelpatel007:
http://gpubench.appspot.com/top/by-phone/version-1

....sensation is only 3000 points behind then sgs2 and it's just bcoz of it's higher resoultion....otherwise it would have outperform all devices...

if it has 26% more pixels , u have to add 11960 scores to sensation to compare it with same resolution to that of SGS2. it means almost 52000.

if some mathematician here can correct my calculation if i am wrong??? i am a medical student....
[General Questions and Answers] Galactic Force:
Mali 400 < Ge-force ulp? Think again...

That's been a lot of talk about how the Ge-force is better than the Mali 400. This is CODSWALLOP! Most of these ridiculous statements come from Linpack and SmartBench results. Does anyone mention these tests do not take

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advantage of the quad fragment core in the Mali? They do however give optimal testing on the GF, so obviously the results will suggest the GF outperforms the Mali. Don't believe me? Check out gsmarena.com's galaxy s 2 review... According to Smartbench 2011, even the galaxy s 1 outperforms the Galaxy S2 in the graphics department! Does that even have a dedicated gpu?! The Mali is more up to date and more powerful than the Ge-force, only the GF has more optimised applications that give a better performance indication compared to other, less optimised gpu's like the Mali 400. I rest my case.
[General Questions and Answers] wc326:
how is adreno 220?? gpu

i am planning to buy a sensation.

is sensation cpu better or worst than other dual core
[General Questions and Answers] Galactic Force:
Adreno 220

Let me tell u how it is. I do believe it is one of the better gpu's available, but I don't think it fully harnesses things like gpu acceleration, meaning it is not properly helping the cpu draw and process images and data- which gives the effect of a slower processing speed. The Mali 400 fully optimised GA, therefore at this time I believe it is better than the asynchronous Adreno 220. Give me a reply, and we'll discuss the matter further. :)
[General Questions and Answers] Galactic Force:
Your "theory" suggests the link between performance and 'pixels' is directly proportional.

1. There is no evidence to back this hypothesis... i.e. your argument is invalid.

2. I lack the understanding where you get the idea 'pixels' alone affects the results. In reality. Presuming against ceteris paribus, there are a multitude of reasons why the performance of the GPu is lacking against that of the Mali 400 MP inside the Exynos for example.

3. Stating you are a medical student has no logical relevance to aodong the validity of your reasoning. This is computer science, not medicine.

If you choose to reply back to me, I will further this matter.
[General Questions and Answers] |ErosizeD|:
it's hard to say....

Normally the people say:

Tegra 2 is better!!! ( nvidia is a good GPU company )

others say, no no Mali 400 is better....

So please, be really, hardware specs is the most important...

The GPU can do more triangles/pixels per second, is the best, for me...
[General Questions and Answers] tolis626:
Let me ask you this:When you buy a car what do you check first?Quality or horsepower?

If you are a horsepower guy,go for the Mali mp400(better hardware).If you want quality,then go for the GeForce of the Tegra 2(better drivers-software optimizations).If though you want a good balance between the two,you should go with the mediocre in both fields Adreno 220.It's more powerful than the GeForce but less powerful than the Mali.It also plays more games than the Mali but not as many as the GeForce does.From now on,it's your choice pal,don't let any one of us choose for you! :)
[General Questions and Answers] bcam117:
I don't really see how the tegra 2 has better driver-software. I mean you can't even use a honeycomb tablet in any other orientation than the default one without butchering the frame rate.

Also the browser on any tegra 2 phone sucks, and flash on them is a joke.

As for choice of games, the work chainfire is doing ( http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1087427 ) is coming together, you can already play quite a few tegra games on an s2.
[General Questions and Answers] tolis626:
I meant that many games are optimized for the Tegra 2.Drivers are only easier to adapt something to.NVidia made it so.

And I was talking about someone with an unrooted device.I use chainfire's truly amazing work on my DHD and it totally kicks ass.With my Galaxy S 2(Arrives tomorrow!Yay!) I'll be laughing at Tegra devices! :D
[General Questions and Answers] bobbymokie:
directly proportional? no. but largely impactful? sure. does it mean one is better than the other? not really. After reading i'm of the impression that samsungs solution probably has the most legroom in its gpu processing power, followed by the tegra then the adreno. but i'm getting the sensation anyway, very happy with htc's products and build quality, and i'm not a "my benchmark is bigger than yours" type of guy
[General Questions and Answers] bobbymokie:
there might be an argument for balancing the score by increasing the sensation's by 26%, but i doubt its really that simple. too many other variables.
[General Questions and Answers] bcam117:
Hehe fair enough, can even play riptide now :) Congrats on getting the s2 btw, getting mine in 7 days, can't wait. First app to buy will be chainfire 3d.
[General Questions and Answers] Galactic Force:
Just understand that 'pixels' do not have such a huge impact as you once thought; therefore its wise to state facts and avoid logical (until otherwise proven) assumptions. Enjoy your HTC Sensation- it is a darned shame its so new and already superceeded in terms of power and performance (on a user and phone level). :)
[General Questions and Answers] viper619:
Let's take it this way.

get ur pc gpu to run a game of high graphics at a low resolution, and then try it with a higher resolution. did the same test on my mac and the results are as follows:-

1- low resolutions means less pixels and quality to be done by the gpu (easier graphics rendering and fps reaches 70)

2- higher resolutions means more pixels and overall quality of the frame is perfect but....... gpu gets raped in this process as more memory and power is needed, and fps hardly reaches 32 for me.

now some of u will not like it but my friend is a computer technisian and he checked both mali and adreno. the adreno 220 can kick ass mali 400 if the resolutions were the same, not different, (check the quality of the graphics on both phones and u will see that the sensation's graphic quality is superior and hardly has any pixelization. and stop comparing those phones in benchmark, when u have bothe the resolutions same then u may have a fair comparison.

oh and btw, samsung's build quality is sh*t. even if the sansation was lower in benchmark i would prefer a stronger and more durable phone.

cheers

VIPER
[General Questions and Answers] WarriorZ:
Okay..

first, I want to say thank you to TS for starting this thread..

secondly, Thanks to all of your comment because it makes me understand about this Exynos, Adreno 220 and Tegra 2.

And from my opinion..

benchmarking is not a final result, real world performance is matter.

resolution pixels is matter in benchmarking like we play in PC.

And from what I've got, I took a resolution:

1. Exynos - Mali-400 is notably a good GPU for processing calculation/math, and updated to run well on SGS II.. SGS II outperform in any browsing test.

2. Tegra 2 is really undoubtedly amazing GPU for gaming.

3. Adreno 220 in MSM8660 (CMIIW), is the latest proc technology which can outperform others GPU above. Their "marketing" feature like Asynchronous for low consumption and faster than Mali 400, but still unknown with Tegra 2.

It's just my honest opinion..

Because at weekend I will buy SGS II in my country with I9100 code, so Exynos will be the CPU of my SGS II, not Tegra 2 (Actually I want to buy G.Tab 8.9 but not currently available on my country until August).

I also want to buy LG Optimus 2X, but somehow, I really like the "Super Amoled Plus" things in Samsung Galaxy S / S II. So I choose SGS II.

HTC Sensation is also an option, but the price of HTC phone on my country is too overprice for me :(

Anyway, thanks for this thread :)
[General Questions and Answers] viper619:
thnx for backing up the resolution point, and siriously please stop comparing benchmarks and all this **** until both phones have the same resolutions or for a better and fair result wait for the s-off of the sensation and install a vanilla gb rom on both then check the benchmark.

cheers

VIPER
[General Questions and Answers] WarriorZ:
You're welcome , Viper :)
[General Questions and Answers] AndreiLux:
Just wanted to pop in here for a small update on the SGS2 since I have hands-on experience with it:

With the latest firmware and probably drivers the performance is anything to joke about. I'm running all games fluently, even adding AA to some titles as I wish.

The AnandTech benchmarks from February are severely outdated, getting 18FPS in GLBenchmark on Egypt, even the "official" score is just stupid at 36 FPS. I'm hitting high 57FPS on Egypt High, and the other tests as Egypt standard and PRO are useless because of the VSYNC cap.
[General Questions and Answers] lolish3k:
Adeno

I think adreno is the **** here really ;) o.O
[General Questions and Answers] js2393:
1. Thanks for the informative posts. I recently purchased the Evo 3D (Adreno 220), but I'm considering updating to the SGSII once it hits the U.S. I'll probably stick with HTC for build quality though....Samsung phones tend to feel cheap and too lightweight IMO.

2. To the guy saying resolution doesn't effect benchmark scores, please stop. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Resolution definitely effects the scores (higher resolution = lower scores/performance), although whether or not the change is linearly proportional remains to be determined. Any PC gamer can attest to this, as many people can run Crysis in 800x600, but the true test is running it in full 1920x1080 which most people cannot without a significant drop in FPS, and this is true for many games.

3. I'm no expert, but it seems to me that Tegra 2 is great for gaming at the moment because of the wide range of support. And like others have pointed out, if the software is optimized for lower performance hardware, then having higher performance hardware becomes irrelevant except for bragging rights.
[General Questions and Answers] viper619:
same as i said b4, and crysis 2 is the game i tried the test on and believe me when i say the resolutions affects the speed and score. i also guess the drivers of the adreno 220 are not yet that optimized for the sensation's resolution.

VIPER
[General Questions and Answers] viper619:
now that the sensation has S-OFF, y don't u pple install a vanila rom on all phones and make all the resolutions the same and test the bloody devices????

this is the fairest methode for u and to stop fighting about which one is better

cheers

VIPER
[General Questions and Answers] iPwn_:
Can't you just use ChainFire to play all of the Tegra Zone games on the Adreno 220 and Mali400MP? And I don't think MSAA is a problem either. I can use 4X on almost all games using the Adreno 205 in my Inspire.

And are there any announced Tegra 3 devices yet? Because as far as I can tell the A5 (in terms of graphics performance) is still destroying every other SoC on the market. And if nVidia's claims are true, it's the only one that can beat it, aside from SGX543MP3s (or 4-16).

Hopefully Samsung's next line will introduce the PowerVR 6-Series.

I'm gonna guess that the SGX543MP2 will be clocked lower in the iPhone 5 than the iPad 2, because of the heat and battery issues due to its form factor.
[General Questions and Answers] secret_tidus:
in real world andreno, geforce, and PVRgx perform the best... large support of games... pvr get the highest priority to run iphone ported games and tegra got tegra zone... dun 4get nvidia is the biggest badass in gaming industry, has the most partners build games based on their chips.. just like crysis perform much much better on geforce card thn on ati cards.. and andreno 200 is performed lower thn pvr 530..
[General Questions and Answers] bala_gamer:
the latest anandtech review clearly shows that the Mali 400 gpu simply outperforms all the current mobile gpu.
[General Questions and Answers] Drzfr3shboialex:
Must you be rooted to usr chainfire
[General Questions and Answers] JMonkeYJ:
i'm a little worried with the rumors that the Galaxy Nexus will use an OMAP44xx processor. it seems that the SGX540 paired with a 720p screen could result in poor graphics performance...any thoughts on that?
[General Questions and Answers] rodolfo7171:
do you have a link to that?
[General Questions and Answers] russ18uk:
His reply was before the iPhone 4s reviews came out, and, at the time, he was kinda correct.

Anandtech stated Mali-400 was the fastest Smartphone GPU. iPad technically isn't a smartphone nor a mobile.

Perhaps check the dates of when posts were written.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4760/arms-mali400-mp4-is-the-fastest-smartphone-gpufor-now
[General Questions and Answers] zibiksior:
Now we know that it's true. Galaxy Nexus will have TI OMAP 4460 with PowerVR SG540 and HUGE screen with 720p resolution O_o I road somewhere that it would be SGX540 but overclocker over the 300MHz but I can't find it now... So it follows that it could have quite good performance and be competitive to SGX543 MP2 in iPad 2 with similar screen resolution. So I thing performance should be ok but why they did't use newer hardwere and they improved performance of older...? And what about battery life after so big GPU overclocking?
[General Questions and Answers] iPwn_:
200 to 384 MHz isn't even a doubling in performance, let alone a 4-5X jump to the A5.
[General Questions and Answers] rodolfo7171:
All this argueing about the Mali-400 and the adreno 220. I know two phones that would be the perfect comparison. Same resolution same software. Compare the any galaxy s2 to the T-Mobile galaxy s2