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[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] human_error:
There was no debate for me when I weighed up the transformer against the ipad.

The current app number advantage will very quickly vanish for the ipad

The ipad has a single mono speaker on the back - the transformer has stereo srs surround speakers on the side which sound great.

The ipad can't deal with flash content - the transformer can, which means that it is infinitely more useful online

The cameras on the transformer are better than the ipad - yes there are a couple of software bugs, but again this will be fixed in time

The transformer has the keyboard dock option - 16 hours plus of battery is very impressive, especially with the promise of a software update which could bring it to up to 20 hours (for source of this anadtech's review mentions an Asus planned update which makes the dock double the battery life of the tablet)

The transformer has USB ports, SDXC and microSD HC support - that makes it on a par with laptops for plugging in external memory options - the ipad needs extra converters to plug in SD cards

The transformer has HDMI out - i can plug it into my TV, my friends' TV, my parent's TV (basically any HD TV) and playback my content on it, making the transformer a mobile media player out the box with no need for extra converters which all cost more money.

The transformer is plug and play for storage - i can put it in any PC and drag files to and from it, the ipad needs you to install iTunes

The transformer's screen resolution is much better for viewing websites and 720p videos - 1024x768 is very old now as a PC resolution so a few sites feel very squeezed in on that resolution (it is the bare minimum web designers tend to aim for these days) 1280x800 just has that little more space so things don't feel squeezed in

Ipad notification system leaves a lot to be desired, especially on a tablet form factor

Those were the key things which made me decide - i didn't even need to look at the fact honeycomb is a very well designed tablet OS with widgets and a more customisable appearence out the box.

My final point goes back to the apps - I've found that i have removed many of the apps which i used on my nexus one because they were just re-formatting content from a website, i don't need them now as i can view the main website (there are a few i still use like the xda app as it's easier to use for switching between my favourite forum sections).
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wynand32:
I notice you have a Transformer... So, the sound is good? That seems one of the things that didn't come across as an advantage of the Asus compared to the Xoom, that speaker volume isn't much higher.

Also, do you have the issue some others have mentioned of one speaker being louder than the other?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r34p3rex:
What? You can't wait 2 days? :p
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] human_error:
I think the sound is great from the transformer - I find the volume is enough for watching films and TV while cooking so it is loud enough. It does get some distortion with high base, but I am yet to hear a mobile device with speakers do better. I do not have the bug some people reported with one speaker louder than the other - mine are well balanced, but I avoid any content encoded for the ipad as it will only have 1 speaker's output encoded (I'm not sure if that could be a cause of the 1 speaker louder than the other or not). My problem with the xoom was the speakers being on the back (same as the ipad) - the problem is if you place it down on something soft (like a duvet on a bed) it could muffle the speakers on the back. The transformer avoids these issues.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wynand32:
You know, for something that's "half-baked," Honeycomb sure is useful. I enjoy using the Xoom every day, and once I have a keyboard to type on it, I'll be enjoying it even more.

Honestly, I really don't get this "half-baked" mem. Sure, it has its bugs (as does iOS and every other OS out there) and could do with some optimization, but the functionality it has today is excellent. It's thoroughly useful, efficient (notifications are a dream, and just adding a "dismiss all" would make them perfect), and for the most part performs really well.

To each their own, of course, but I do think you're doing yourself a disservice to dismiss Honeycomb tablets at this point. If you have a need for one, then don't let any notions of it being "half-baked" stop you from making the plunge.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] original00:
You clearly made it seem like you need to take your laptop with you if you are going on a trip for a few days with you ipad and that is incorrect. Maybe you need to describe the specific use case where you would need your laptop. You did mention downloading movies and music

"Example if you were going away for a few days and you owned an ipad you would have to take your laptop which defeats the purpose of owning a tablet, with an android device you can just take that and download all the files/movies/music etc right to the device."
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] original00:
To each their own, of course, but I do think you're doing yourself a disservice to dismiss Honeycomb tablets at this point. If you have a need for one, then don't let any notions of it being "half-baked" stop you from making the plunge

Trust me, the ipad fulfills the need I have for right now. I will get a HC tablet when the following are available

1. I am waiting for the galaxy 10.1 or rumored HTC 10" tablet

2. I know people dismiss apps but it is important to me and right now it is lacking on android by a lot

3. Ability to install Custom roms
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wouwout:
Exactly right. You can use an ipad for months without connecting it to a computer. I've done it. You can install apps, download music etc without the computer. However, i'm still looking forward to the transformer - ipad is too limited for me.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seshmaru:
Either you're plain dense or an apple fanboy since:

1. there are already custom ROMs for the transformer.

2. There are a lot of apps that work well, check the app section for the transformer and there's a list of apps that work fine so far.

3. why wait for the galaxy tab when it's going to be sporting the same features for more, and why are you waiting for a rumored tablet at all?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] original00:
I'm not sure what your problem is and why you are concerned with my reasons for not wanting to get an andorid tablet right now but I will refrain for calling you any names and suggest you do the same.

1. Yes there are custom roms and I incorrectly wrote the " ability to install custom roms". I have and evo and I am looking for similar customized roms for tablets which mostly do not exist due to google not releasing the source code.

2. There are only about 100 HC apps (if that many). If I'm buying a tablet I expect to run only tablet optimized apps just like I no longer watch sd on my hdtv

3. It is my choice to wait for any tablet I want cos I am buying it so not sure why you have a problem with that
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] husker91:
Lol, you must not understand him... Almost all Android apps scale just fine for tablets, its not like the iPad which you seem acustomed with by your irrelevant reasons and lack of elaboration. And seriously, why wait for the Samsung when it will have the same features, cost more, have no updates as with most other Samsung devices, I bet they will even skin the Damn thing!

You expect to ONLY run tablet optimized apps? Good luck.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] original00:
Again, I fail to understand the "why wait" argument? It is my choice. I have clearly mentioned All the reasons why I am waiting and I currently have an ipad already. It's like saying anyone that wants a HC tablet should just buy the transformer? I won't argue the transformer vs samsung tablet here cos that isn't the point of this thread. Why is it had to accept that I want something else????
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] husker91:
We just don't agree with your reasons, that's all. A bit irrational, but we're all entitled to our opinions. But hey, I got the iPad part right lol, jk.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
That's Apple's PR spin, nothing more. Apple's apps need to be reencoded to work on an iPad because other iDevice apps can't scale -- they show in a tiny window in the center of the iPad's screen.

Android has no such shortcoming -- its apps were designed from day one to scale, and many existing apps hence scale for tablet screens just fine.

Apple's claims are hence completely disingenuous, because they imply that pre-tablet Android apps can't be used on a tablet (not true), and they also don't account for iPad apps that are identical to their other iDevice equivalents, with the sole exception of being recoded to get around an Apple-specific design limitation.

By Apple's nonsense methodology, if an iPad app is identical to its pre-iPad variant except for the ability to scale, it's counted as a win for Apple's iOS, but if an equivalent Android app already scales correctly for Android tablets, that's counted as a negative mark against Google's Android. Utter rubbish that only an Apple fanboi would believe.

I'd really like to see this idiotic argument go away, or at least stay inside the Apple forums where they can all smugly pat each other on the backs and believe the fiction.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-03/03/tablet-android-apps
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cyberguest:
since you are going to college, do you want to be one of the hundreds of students who own ipad or do you prefer to be different?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] husker91:
Lol

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[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] inakipaz:
Just a small point. How do you deal with staff/files on another pc without itunes and that you want to carry in your tablet. You can actually download everything just from the store. So, if you are on a trip, you should put all your content in before leaving. The files that may surge through the trip, will have to wait to arrive home to go into the ipad. Thats my exp. on 1 year ipad use.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] original00:
That article shows 1 app as an example. Hardly a big enough sample size to make a conclusion

Tablet apps are not just about scaling to the screen, its about taking advantage of the real estate and power of the tablet to create a different experience. If existing android apps work just fine, why are developers working to update their apps to support HC? No one is saying the current apps wont work, the question is are they optimized for the tablet. The android market even has a section called "featured TABLET apps". By your logic, there should be no distinction since they all work fine on tablets
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seshmaru:
Wow you really are an apple fanboy aren't you? If you actually read it you would know that no not all apps work fantastically, but a huge amount do, (probably more than 65.000 of em) being a Xoom owner I know that roughly 1 out of 4 apps scales and works fine, maybe not screen real estate optimized but neither are most of the iPad apps, they're just mostly direct ports of the phone version with higher resolution (I know since I also owned the original iPad).

EDIT: In fact tell me an app for the iPad that you supposedly need and I'll find an equivelant that works on the Xoom.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
It helps to apply a little logic to the situation:

* Featured Tablet apps -- gee, do you think that could possibly exist because while apps for smaller screens can scale up to a big one, an app for a 10-inch tablet screen just might not be able to scale back down to work on a 3-inch cell phone screen?

* So since you think that apps which only scale to fit the Android tablet screen shouldn't count (even though they work just fine), where's the list of iPad apps **excluding** those which are only pre-existing iOS apps with no changes except to allow them to fit an iPad screen? (Hint: There is no such list, because Apple knows full well that it would decimate their claimed number of iPad apps, which are mostly just preexisting iOS apps with the scaling issue fixed.)

Let's have apples to apples comparisons here, please. There's plenty enough Apple fanboi forums where you can tout the nonsense Apple spin to your heart's desire.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seigex:
uhm.. why do you think developers would update their apps to support HC? maybe because its built for a dual core system and uses a different API that is more powerful and has more features? thats like asking why developers would update windows 98 apps to work with windows 7....
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kermode:
The Empire uses Ipads - the rebels use Android.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] original00:
Believe what you want but there is even a post in this very forum that lists the compatible transformer apps/games. Maybe you all should tell him he's wasting his time cos most apps work just fine. I haven't counted but I'm not sure he's up to 10,000 yet. You guys could help him out with all the HC compatible apps you've found out that he doesn't know about.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] husker91:
I honestly doubt he would devote his life to scouring the market, downloading EVERY SINGLE APP to see which ones work. He's just giving what he thinks are the most popular
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
It's fairly obvious we're feeding a troll... time to stop and let him crawl back under his rock.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] human_error:
That thread is really for apps which work especially well on tablets, else when I posted I would have listed a lot more apps. For a quick example when I got the transformer and signed in all the apps from my nexus one downloaded automatically. Of all those apps (over 100) only 3 or 4 had updates which were specific for honeycomb, and maybe 2 didn't work at all - everything else worked fine. The vast majority scaled to the tablet fine and a few had tablet specific UIs which loaded to take a more efficient use of space. You can't say 'well that thread doesn't list many apps' and say that other apps don't work - the ones there are really ones which work especially well on tablets.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jurrsaix:
There is a difference between an app design for the tablet size and scaled apps. All of Google apps are redesigned for tablets in HC. There's no real reason to argue which market has more tablet specific apps.

Yeah most apps scale well on Android, and a lot of iPad apps are just rehashed versions of the iOS ones, but those are equal in this debate. Dedicated, redesigned, specific tablet apps...the iPad has more.

The difference being which apps do you want/need. The number of available apps doesn't bother me either way, as long as they have the ones I want.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] original00:
I do not disagree that current android apps probably scale fine to tablets.I just mentioned that thread to make a point. There's also a similar thread at android central and I think both are helpful for new android tablet owners looking for apps

I want apps that "work especially well on tablets". That is one of MY requirements for purchasing a tablet-does not have to apply to anyone else. I understand that it won't take android long to close that gap....it's just not there yet
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lorimere:
As an EVo owner (and an owner of the original iPad) my .02.

Ipad pros: works well, smooth. nice user experience.

Ipad Cons: It is basically a huge Ipod. Any while typing is really good for a touchpad. no way I'd use it for serious note taking.

Seriously, thats all it really is. Its cool for the internet(if you don't need flash). And ipod games are fun on it. But It just did nothing more than my ipod touch already did. It is basically a huge app screen.

I know thats not a great review, but I had had my EVO for a while before I bought it, and just got spoiled by android. I know they are battery killers. But after using live widgets, you realize how little iOS does.

Its really hard to explain to a apple users how much time widgets save. Like live scrolling facebook updates, twitter feeds, hell even something as basic as weather. Just so damn convient to look at the screen and be instantly caught up.

I hate how in iOS you basically have to keep opening and closing apps to do what you want.

That being said iOS does have a lot less bugs than honeycomb at the moment. (but honeycomb is brand new). And with iOS being around longer. The same app on iOS works smoother (sometimes more features) than the same app on android. But this gap is closing pretty quickly.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gubiguy:
Does this mean that we're eventually going to have to blow up some sort of giant hollowed out Apple being used as a space station and ravaging the cosmos?

^(You know you all want it to happen..)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] twirtle2:
that just looks bleeping awesome.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
Wow, yeah, for real! Anybody who's not already Googled it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/onskreen
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gubiguy:
Holy crap. That's awesome.. like widgets on steroids. Just in EXPECTATION of that app, I'm sticking with Android tabs. You guys can still use the thread to argue with each other over which is best though. I'll occasionally chime in with random crap =P
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seigex:
lmao that is funny
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheSonicEmerald:
My reasons:

-Keyboard: handy for on the go homework and typing.

-Google intergration: all my contacts, Calender events, and other stuff is synced to my account. Easy backup and intergration with my phone as well.

-Android: I hate iOS. Love the versatility of Android.

-Screen: IPS screen is better than most Android tablets and is on par with Ipad 2.

Sent from a Limited Edition phone from a Premium app..
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
Technically, it's better than the iPad 2 screen. It's larger, higher resolution, smaller dot pitch, and a more suitable aspect ratio for movie viewing, document viewing, etc.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheSonicEmerald:
Forgot about that too. Although, I still prefer a light weight Sandy Bridge laptop over a tablet for my uses (Better games, Photoshop, Video Editing, etc). But if I had the chance to get the Transformer those would be my reasons.

Sent from a Limited Edition phone from a Premium app..
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
Six of one, half dozen of the other, really. What you gain in processing power, you lose in terms of battery life, portability, etc.

As far as I can see, there's still no way around the fact that true portability and really excellent battery life fly in the face of power and utility.

For my own purposes, I've got a really powerful homebuilt desktop, a reasonably good laptop (albeit a few years old now, but it was top-of-the-line when I bought it), and the tablet will be my walkaround when I don't need the laptop's capabilities.

The tablet should be plenty for writing, movie watching, offline GPS mapping, and maybe some neat tricks like offline translation etc. -- been browsing some of the cool apps available while I wait for the Transformer to ship, and one of the most intriguing for my needs is an app to translate Chinese text by taking a photo of it, all performed offline.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vocalise:
Sorry if this goes OT, but which app is this that translates Chinese text by taking a photo of it? I'm really intrigued and would love to get this app once I get my Transformer :).

That's a good idea though, browsing some cool apps. I've just been browsing tablet specific apps, but perhaps should not restrict my search so narrowly. It will be my first time using Android since I have an iTouch, and I'm fairly excited to be able to tinker around with it and actually drag and drop directly onto the device!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knoxploration:
I actually found a couple. This one translates one character at a time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLxCo6bciQw

...and this one looks to translate whole sentences:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgIXbo_XRd0

There were several others I found that exist on other platforms and are currently in development for Android too. Of these, the coolest was probably Word Lens, which shipped a couple of months ago on iOS, although I'd be interested to see how it handles things like signs in the real-world where they're not on nice clean backgrounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OfQdYrHRs

...and I'll be a newcomer to Android, incidentally. I've used the SDK emulator quite a bit just to confirm I like the UI before I buy, and have managed to try out some apps with it too, after getting the store working in the emulator...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j.bruha:
I didn't read through this whole thread but there's a handful of features the Transformer has that make it more capable and desirable to me.

-Two USB ports with full USB support

-MicroSD and full SD card slots

-The keyboard dock (obviously)

-Adobe Flash 10.2

It's these features that really separate the Transformer from being just another tablet and really make it a potential replacement for your laptop. The only thing I think is going to be more difficult for the OP is the lack of games right now, but all of the other needs will be met and exceeded with the Transformer, I think.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iAndroidFan:
i just throwed a coin to make my choice,then i chose Eee Pad
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
Errrhhh - there is no UK delay! It was released on the 6th April, though stocks are somewhat limited.

Regards,

Dave