yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmcgrat6:
My concern is not for criminals to be allowed to freely conduct their activities under protection from prosecution. And while cellphones have been ruled as not protected under the fourth amendment, handsets like the Epic interconnect to provide access into far more areas for personal data than a simple cellphone. in fact the courts have ruled that email, for example, IS protected by the fourth amendment. What this device represents is a "work around" into individual privacy.

More and more we as a nation have been relinquishing our privacy rights in support of protecting our safety and security. However, it's been almost a decade of this trend and the nation has been evolving ever since toward everybody knowing your business. We might not have anything to hide, but we must also have legal protections for cases which involve potentially corrupt individuals from abusing the systems which allow them use of this invasive device.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Censura_Umbra:
I agree, police officers are surprisingly uninformed of Supreme court law. They usually don't care until it affects them, like when the exclusionary rule told them "Hey, wanna **** these defendants over? Well now their free, good job asshole."

Plus there are crooked cops that could use your passwords they find on your phone (even if you aren't doing anything wrong on it) and sign in to your Facebook and IM to find out more info about you. Is this okay? If so then go to a communist state where you aren't allowed to have secrets from the government.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmcgrat6:
excellent point, squshy 7. But "part of the public record" was not meant to be taken as the only reason for concern. While protocol calls for the data to be disposed of if nothing happens, we don't live in a perfect world. Evidence is lost. Incorrect limbs get amputated. People forget to do things or believe something important has already been done. And corruption among those of authority can and does happen. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. So why let it happen needlessly in the first place?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] squshy 7:
Honestly dude, I've come to terms with the fact that mistrusting everyone in charge for fear of corruption is unfounded. Its actually much simpler than that.

Most humans are idiots.

Hence our messed up world. Not evil. Just stupidity.

Once one realizes that, it becomes alot easier. Because then you'll see that there is truly nothing you can do about it.

Lol. Im a misanthrope to the max
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] squshy 7:
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[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Censura_Umbra:
And that sums up MY opinion on this matter, but really, just look at my previous post and just keep your phone locked.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dchawk81:
Why are you putting illegal stuff on your Facebook? What's there that can't be retrieved via birth records, driver's licenses, and marriage certificates...all of which are already in the government's records?

A crooked cop can plant any kind of evidence they want to incriminate you. It doesn't have to be on your phone. Heck it's probably not even worth their effort.

Any decent lawyer can get that stuff tossed anyway. If anything, it's harder than ever to successfully prosecute someone, not easier.

And really, as resource strapped as police departments are, they're not looking at you at all unless you ARE doing something illegal. Don't use the word "wrong" because it's not necessarily the same as "illegal."
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dchawk81:
You confuse freedom with anarchy. You're free to do what you want. You're also free to accept any and all consequences.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] intx:
This. The cellebrites we use at Sprint at least, require the device to be unlocked(unless the Android has USB debugging on already, in which case I believe it can bypass the lock). If a blackberry has a password on it, it pops up on the machine requesting you enter the password on the machine.

So technically it can "bypass" your lock, but only if you enter the lock on the cellebrite machine.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b15love:
LOL the cellbrites carriers have obviously were only meant to transfer contacts, pictures, etc. By error, Ive been to extract this information even when the phone was locked. Im sure they can program a machine to bypass all of that.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b15love:
Uh and yes EVERY american must give up some freedom for security. This is nothing new. As long as you dont do some stupid ****, then you have nothing to worry about. Anyway, most of us on here have rooted phones. You know rooted phones exposes your passwords, etc right?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Top Nurse:
Not ignorant by any shape of the imagination, as I have experience on both sides of the law. As someone said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the other ones that have been tried." Nothing is perfect and innocent people may be jailed or executed. Not saying that is good, but that it works most of the time...which is why I live in the USA.

If you have lived as long as I have then you would know that things go up and down (conservative & liberal) in this country. Now we are in a conservative swing and we do need some balance as we move away from the days of coddling criminals and granting more rights to them than the rest of us get.

Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gTen:
I'd like to say this..

1) your locks are pointless if you have clockworkmod installed...as they can just backup your rom lol..as cwm has no password protect option...

2) You can always restore data...1 wipe i never enough..I had my sd cards erased a few times...I was able to recover 100% the contents..to do a proper wipe you gotta wipe 7 times using 0's method and alternating 1's and 0's..to note..this isnt going to make the data unrecoverable..just more expensive to recover...the point in wiping data is not that its unrecoverable but wipe it enough so that it isnt worth it financially for the other side to recover it.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
actually, this IS new, and those that believe the above quoted 'line' deserve neither freedom or security.

For example, is it ok for a police officer who does a traffic stop for improper lane change (for example) to snatch out the cellebrite device and ask you to hand over your cell phone ? NO.. without a search warrant or probable cause (at the very least) he has no right or authority to dig around in your phone.

If you were just involved in an accident, then i could see the possibility of scanning your phone to determine if you were texting while driving, thus contributing to the accident. Officers in Michigan could be using this device for routine traffic stops according to this article

Basically, we've ventured off topic anyway.. the question that remains (regardless of the 'conspiracy theory' sounding debate) is:

is it possible for the devs to prevent this device from scanning our phones ?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kif420:
We need a self destruct button...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Custodian:
Good thing you're aware my friend. Tread lightly though.

troll stomping beast
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
Completely rediculous! First off police have to be if a certain mindstate to begin with. It's a narcissistic one but a weak enough narcissist to be controlled by their superiors, often times making for a bigger assehole of a person. On top of that their iq range runs pretty low because most people with a higher iq level just can't make it riding around sitting on their ass 14 hours at a time doing nothing. On top of that I can't count the number of law enforcement I watched pulling immoral stunts such as hitting on underage girls using the while im a cop and I'm powerful bs. And this is only a very small incident where your freedoms are being trampled on by the government sworn to protect them. **** we are using a google phone so hell away with that celebrite, they already know!

I say this if the revolution starts i'll shoot first.

Note there are a few decent cops who are their to protect and serve you....in the entire U.S.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DCRocks:
Thinking about this, here is what I came up with, but not sure how well it would work

Setup your phone with everything, but no account info or texts, mms, pics etc..

and do a NAND backup of the phone with no personal info on it

Now, if you get worried, boot into CWM and do a nand restore of this backup, then break your sd card, should solve the issue, but you may not have the 3-5 min this would take

Heck, it is was a samsung moment, for example, you could always flash an oversize boot logo and brick the phone, no data transfer would be possible by then, rofl!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
You correct, easy to fix on the moment! That nand is a great idea, fortunately I live in a small town that has very little law enforcement funds I promise I'll never see this device, but I really feel sorry for those of you who have this as a reality.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
Are you serious? Nah you can't be. Why are we complaining about it and we use xda? Maybe because I come here to learn to mod and share mods so we might enjoy the experienced of using our phones a little more. I'm not here to get a copy of odin to steal information from another persons phone. We're talking applies to oranges. I'm not even getting into the 4th amendment in the first place this isn't the place for it, but common since says you *should* be untitled to have a since of privacy in your life seeing as we live in a "free" country and all.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
I dont all of a sudden run to law enforcement when I have, in my hands, an emergency because I have self defence training, a concealed weapons license, and in my hands a really big f*king gun. They can stick to helping old ladies and stealing cell phone info between texas la, al, ms, and florida, were proactive about justice
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flyers2114:
Not so funny when my 4th amendment rights are going to be exploited. This is happening in MI already, and not just criminals. They can use it on a simple traffic stop, that's the problem. The ACLU is already involved here in MI. I am no criminal, but I have naked pics of my wife, why should they ever get to see them? Its complete bull****!

As far as your point at the bottom, that's pure craziness, lol. They can simply get a warrant to extract that information.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] midnighttoker:
A big problem with cops is its too easy to become one. Anybody can get a 2 year degree and go to the academy for a few months become a cop and receive ridiculous benefits. I have some respect for cops in the big cities, that's serious work.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Etrick:
Why not just wipe in cwm, no usb debugging via cwm, right?

It would take less than a minute, especially if you have a modded reboot menu that allows you to boot into cwm.

...sent via ?...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] signal34:
Sure I am. That's the great thing about this country...a difference of opinion without the fear of being shot from the rooftop.

But yes, we agree, what we *should" be entitled to and what actually occurs are two different things, regardless of what topic or profession is being discussed. No disagreement there, and it happens everyday.

And if that's the law in MI, then it's not the police's fault, as they don't make the laws. If there is an injustice with the law, it the local/state/federal government that is the problem.

Yes, but if the phone has an app that prevents data extraction, a piece of paper is not going to "unlock" the phone.

Again, not the actual officer's fault, but the hiring practice of the department.

Now, in respect to the OP/OT, an app might be able to be developed, but again, the manufacturer/carrier could possibly push an update to fix the "fix" (although if it's Samsung, you'll have to wait a looooonnnnng time, then they'll have to pull the update :D )

It might turn into the Apple Shuffle:

iOS v2

--Jailbroken

**Patch -- iOS v2.1

--Jailbroken

**Patch -- iOS v2.1.1

etc etc
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] signal34:
LOL -- I can see it now:

** Police --- we have a search warrant.

++Bad guy running around the house, not flushing dope down the toilet, but trying as fast as he can to remember the key sequence to do the 3-finger salute!

:p
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
Lmao classic
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brendan802:
Why not just flush the phone. The water should kill it especially if the toilet is flushing.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] somedude0608:
I haven't read every article out there on this but the one I did read was based out of michigan. Clearly states that it is not used during routine stops and does require a warrant. Sounds like some people are seeing headlines and thinking cops are going door to door for there cell phones...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] austin420:
the article also clearly states that the aclu requested documentation via the freedom of information act regarding acual usage stats and the mi police (i dont recall if this is state or municiple) wont comply. so do we know if they are being completely honest?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xerloq:
Incorrect.

The California Supreme Court said that the search of Gregory Diaz's phone was not illegal search an seizure. The only thing SCOTUS has said remotely on this topic is that managers of government employees can access text messages without a warrant.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/05/california-supreme-court-cell

California Supreme Court's decision has no immediate impact outside California, though it could be used as precedent for a case with similar circumstances. The concern here is that MHP could be using these devices without a warrant.

And none of that speaks to the OP's question: can devs prevent this?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] epicslam:
I think this topic is illegal since you want to circumvent la w enforcement. The best way to do so is not to use any electronic devices at all.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gTen:
They can access Text messages because if the government wants they can get a copy of text and call records from ISPs..ISPs are required to keep a backup of these for at least some time.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Quis89:
Lol...

Im in the "I have nothing to hide" crowd. So I really couldnt care less...

And lmao at "Opening your nightstands for goverment types before bed"...where do you peoples minds wander...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CapsLockKey:
That seems great and all, but what good does a gun and self defense training do for you if a crime is committed against you that isn't near you? Someone robs your house when you are on vacation, steals your identity and empties your bank account, or kidnaps/murders a family member when you aren't around them?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b15love:
Have you taking any other history besides what they taught you in high school? Have you learned what actually is behind freedom, democracy, law, etc? You actually think youre "free"?

What YOU consider freedom is an illusion. One person's freedom is another person's restriction. All we have are rules on what we CANNOT do. But if you want to consider this as freedom, go ahead.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aleph23:
I don't think anyone on the privacy protection tip had said anything at all about hating law enforcement, law enforcement officers or Cellebrite.

The only thing I've read is that some folks would like to protect their privacy before it's been violated. What's to prevent a criminal from getting their hands on one of these devices and stealing your credit card and banking info?

Just because you feel you have nothing to hide doesn't mean you should wantonly squander your legal rights.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
see, here's the inherent difference between the news article that I linked to and your post.

I have taken some courses while I was in college that pertained to electronics and forensics. For the record, I don't believe anyone here will dispute my opinion that there is an appropriate place and time that the cellbrite piece of equipment SHOULD be used. That appropriate place and time is during the LEGAL conducting of a criminal investigation. This is in so many ways different from a Michigan state trooper asking to scan your iPhone or Epic because you were going 7 over the speed limit and the officer has NO other probable cause.

MY issue is the officers that MAY abuse their use of the equipment, and the badge they've been entrusted with and coerce unknowing citizens into handing over their devices. I am one of the citizens that would love a 'nuke' button on my device in the event an officer attempts to snatch my device..

Just sayin'
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
THIS 1,000 times :)
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whosdaman:
Do you even have any clue what Cellebrite is used for? First off it has been out for YEARS. And second off Sprint stores use it to transfer data from one phone to another. It temporarily stores the data on the cellebrite device then moves it onto the target device.

If Law Enforcement is going to start using it, by all means go for it! I'm glad. Hopefully they can catch more criminals that way
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
Off topic as it is I'll bite. The same good a cop does you hit the street to get answers you find the criminal and you handle it. I have full surveillance on my house you break in, I'll see enough. You can't solve every crime neither do police. I've never had to call the police before for a crime but like I say I'm pro active about crime, gotta pass pit bulls to get in, gotta pass a bigger one once your inside, pass them you gotta pass me. As hated as

Pit bulls might be all my neighbors got robbed but me needless to say I dont have a problem selling puppies to responsible owners!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flyers2114:
It is the state police....and yes that is the problem,....the ACLU has requested data and they have not provided it after numerous requests...that's all I am looking for...how and when are you using it....
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
@whosdaman, I had no idea about it till I read this. My towns police department dont use then but granted it's for serious crimes and not used on a seat belt violation then shoot but like the one guy said why should they be able to get a hold of his naked wife pics lol! Seriously though people google records everything you do over gtalk, gmail, and gvoice etc so this device, if it went away, wouldnt end law enforcement reading a transcript of what they are after anyway being google is open with all major "alphabet" divisions. Now what's scary is when all this is missused like when the patriot act was used for investigating anti war protesters they have the freedom to express their view of the war I guess they just forfeit their liberties doing so.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Weeks/darren3.htm

One example
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeffyv2:
Can't agree more I can supply a small army if needed ;)
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stkiswr:
Just found this. Its been proven all of what u do is monitored whether you believe or know it at all. This is simply a method law enforcement is trying to use but your carrier has always done it. There's no way around the root of this issue as I began with the carrier and trickled into what now may seem like violation of rights but truthfully its always happened. I don't agree with it. That's just what's happening
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TPMJB:
Can we stay on the topic at hand? Who cares about "HURRR I'M IN TEXAS WHERE WE HAVE GUNS!!!11"?

This isn't about whether you have something to hide, it's about "can we prevent this from happening to us?"

So, what are our options?

Sent from my epic 4g using the browser...like a real man
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
Lmao right cause only your opinion counts?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brendan802:
I agree totally lets stick to the question how do we protect our right to privacy.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schnowdapowda:
Right! The one time I needed the cops was while three black dudes were trying to kick down my door. They get there a half an hour later after me, my brother, and 2 friends nearly beat 2 of them to death and they have the nerve to accuse me of being a drug dealer because "there had to be some reason they wanted to kick your door in." Goes to show: down south (at least where me and dreams are) we don't need the police to just tell us "there's nothing we can do." So **** em and anyone else who rides cop ****.

cd's or tapes?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeffyv2:
Learn how to code and make your self a only u and no one else can see rom where u can only send your self things because if u send it to some one else its cached somewhere on a server in sprints building and anyting illegal can be used against you...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cbpagent72:
I agree, if you have illegal stuff on your phone then you may have cause for concern. On the other hand I would like some reasonal suspicion before they dump your phone.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cbpagent72:
You protec your rights to privacy by getting rid of your smartphone and computer and go live in a cabin in alaska.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeffyv2:
Lmao right?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stilesja:
Thanks for laying the Franklin out there. Anyone who has no problem with giving up their rights thinking they do nothing wrong has to much faith in other people to act appropriately.

I think if the man wanted to sift through topnurse's phone they would probably find the intellectual property of samsung which has been redistributed without permission. Yes we can legally unlock our devices but CM is the only rom not using samsung code. Everyone looks the other way on this but if someone is out to get you they can find a law you have broken given enough access you your activities. That is what this is about.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stilesja:
If they want my info from google a judge must be involved. That is fine. If barney fife wants to scan my phone at a traffic stop that's another story entirely. Don't talk to police. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Lock your phone. If they ask you to leave your car lock that too. Cops are regular people but the type of person that is willing to put up with the shot of being a cop for the pay of being a cop either has a sting desire to serve the public (good cop) or has a power trip ( bad cop) . There isn't much in between and ill let you figure out which there are more of yourself.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brendan802:
NO **** sprint has a cache of the data but for that to be obtained they would have to be subpoenaed. For a dirty crooked cop to say scan my phone without my permission requires what?..... A dirty cop. I understand there is a time and a place for cellebrite to be used but where I live we have had police corruption extremely bad lately. One detective fired for having pre teen pornography on the his dept pc and the head of police academy also had pron on his pc so he blew his ****ing head off when they came for him. I dont trust cops and never will and I just want my rights protected.

http://www.wcax.com/story/12197112/...ecker-denies-criminal-charges?redirected=true

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430199/posts
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
+1

/10char
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dchawk81:
That wouldn't work either. Helicopter tourists.