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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
True.......but the SGS 2 still wins

I only like the iPhone because of battery life, apps and games being optimized for the device, quality (beautiful device in all honesty), and the re-sale value of it :) iPhone 4's still going for high $400's to $500 and 3GS can even be sold for around $300 depending on the condition
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
I can smell the flame war brewing.

Personally?

Not a big fan of the GS1. Battery Life was absolutely horrendous, bad signal quality, and that stupid lock button...

However, i don't hold anything new against anything that happened in the past with the predecessors.

I WILL hold something against a company if they keep on doing it, however. (*Cough* Apple *Cough *)

The GS1 is the GS1.

The GS2 is the GS2.

End of story.

Yes, the GS2 may be easier to hack.

Yes, the GS2 has a better camera.

The first is a moot point, as Moto's confirmed to unlock their bootloaders by the end of the year.

The camera?

Please, i still prefer a stand-alone device.

Just as i carry around my PSP (Soon to be NGP/PSP2) around for gaming.

Nothing beats a dedicated device.

Nothing.

Oh, and as for the signal/call quality?

Got better on both as compared to the Inspire, the Droid X, the Evo, the Captivate, and the Incredible. Haven't had a hands-on with the Thunderbolt or the GS2 yet, but i'll reserve judgement till then.

Battery is through the roof. Running a emulator all day, i pull my battery off the charger at 6:40 in the morning and at 10 PM i still have 30% juice. Good till at least 2am.

So yeah. Looks fine to me...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Oh, and i'm running Stock.

Take that.

Waiting for Gingerblur 3.0 before i take the jump.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
battery life was always decent on the atrix.....i mean it has a 1980mah battery.

As for the captivate having a horrible everything........not so sure about that.

Battery life has always been good enough, better than most phones. Not on the same level as an iPhone 4 but it gets you through a full day at 1500mah.

I've always had good signal/call quality etc......lol the lock button, was strange at first but got used to it.

Idk, i use a JK4 modem right now on the captivate and get 3.1 Mbps down and 1.6 Mbps up so it's better than the original.

Yea a war is flaming up so im gonna stop here........i have nothing against the atrix, i wanted one myself at first but the lack of community compared to the captivate kinda threw me off and the bootloader (hopefully they unlock it after the response they got).
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trell959:
does anyone know what carrier the sgs2 is going to be on?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Yep. Bootloader's going to be unlocked, unless they go back on their word. Then we've got a class-action lawsuit waiting in the wings. The SG1 had a good screen. I'll give it that. But my laptop and TV exist for a reason...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
The GS2 is going to be on multiple carriers, like the GS1.

As for the US...

If you're gonna wait, you're going to be there a while.

As far as i know, no confirmed carriers yet.

Rumors of ATT and T-Mobile right now, though.

Verizon might get their model, and a Sprint one wouldn't shock me one bit, but yeah.

If it goes the way of the GS1, every major carrier should get a model.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trell959:
thanks. was planning on waiting for the sgs2 until i bricked my captivate :/
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
haha i understand wat u mean..........but still, having a good screen is a big plus especially since ur gonna be looking at ur phone a loott lol.

I agree about camera and stuff though, I have a DSLR for taking pictures and phone camera is pretty useless to me but its still great to have a good one for those quick snaps.

Really wish, LTE came out for AT&T by now
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
LTE starts at the end of this year.

Should the T-mobile deal go through, ATT will convert all of T-mobile's bands to LTE, which should give them huge coverage.

But yeah, phones are great and all, but that little battery just can't power the power of a full-functioning device...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
One word: Smooth.

*Slow Claps*
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Exador:
I had a Captivate for a couple of weeks and hated it. The GPS never worked and for having such a great processor it was laggy even after overclocking and applying lagfix. Is a lag fix still needed with the S and S2 and how about GPS performance is it good?

I've had a change of hart with the S2 anything that pisses off Steve Jobs is ok in my book.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
yea......was debating if i should wait for LTE

And as for the battery, i guess......i have a feeling its more of the OS optimizations considering the iPhone 4 gets such great battery life on an even smaller battery. Also doesn't have widgets and stuff like that so that helps it out

Oh well......only two phones im interested in right now are the SGS 2 and the HTC Sensation (love HTC build quality and the aluminum, Sense is also nice)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
I've always had good GPS performance since rooted and putting on a ROM. Lagfix wasn't really needed to boost performance IMO and once a ROM was put on it, it's always been smooth.

Running CM7 with JK4 and its smooth as butter
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trell959:
is att's lte network going to work on our hsupa phones?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trell959:
wayyy of topic but what slr do you have? i got a D7000 :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Well, it's not out in the states yet, so unless you want to get an Import Unit that probably wont even work with any US Carriers, you're outta luck for a hands-on trial. Still no US release date yet, though. Good luck playing the Waiting Game. We're playing it with Gingerbread on our Atrixes (or is it Atrixi?), but at least we still have a high-powered phone.

Pick your poison, as the beginning of this thread said.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
iPhone 4 is underclocked to 800mhz to save power.

Otherwise, it'd be a 5 hour phone at best, once you throw in the screen and whatnot.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Nope. Two completely different technologies/standards.

It's like trying to play a DVD in a CD player.

They may look alike, but they're completely different under the hood.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trell959:
sgs2 gps test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49GoEcAqOLk&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_87281
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trell959:
that is a ****ing day killer :(
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Eh. Dont really need the GPS feature on my phone.

I got a stand-alone GPS already for my car. Works perfectly fine.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Don't worry.

By the time that the LTE network is fully up and running (EST late 2013), we early Atrix Adopters will have the option of an upgrade.

Better jump on the HSPA+ train soon, buddy.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
haha i got a T2i a few months back.......got an amazing deal on it

$500 with kit lens :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trell959:
god thats a nice deal!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k_nivesout:
Didn't think moto said they were actually unlocking their phones, just that they were going to leave it up to the carriers for future models. Which is better than nothing but not really promising, they're just passing the buck so that people will be pissed at the carriers as opposed to them.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amtrakcn:
SGS2 does HDMI output and connects to ur BT mouse.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Well, we already had the HSUPA issue fixed. Put extra pressure on them for the bootloaders too.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
wat r ur results btw?? i've heard mixed reviews about the fix
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Really depends on where you are, actually.

I haven't applied it yet. Waiting for 1.8.3 to be cracked and Gingerblur 3.0 to be released.

Apparently, people can get 18-20 hours of hard use out of the Atrix with Gingerblur, but i'm already getting 14-15 hours out of my current battery with room to spare on stock.

Maybe 25 hours when all is said and done?

;)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pewpewbangbang:
I see......i heard some ppl say GPS locks slower and such. Also wonder how the data speeds are

Theres a thread on it already here
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fsturbo15:
lol @ you, I AM an atrix user so I don't know who you are going to destroy, there is no bias here, just my experience.

If you like stock phones, get off XDA-DEVELOPERS and join the masses with their stock phones.

And i'm sorry to say but even stock the phone is poorly optimized and really only has fancy specs. And when I mean specs, I mean hardware, we are already behind unlocked phones that are running up to date 2.3.3 android software. Like the other user said, quadrant is about all it wins in.... "BRO" :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DDRMSTRPRO:
Yeah... Your Mileage Will Vary, i'm afraid.

Anyway, i'm off to bed. AP Exams this week, and i'll need to get some rest before they line up to take a bite out of me.

Ja ne, all.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Purple Drama Llama:
So just because you prefer to keep a stock phone means you can't or shouldn't be a member of this community in your eyes? My phone is 100% stock because I dont need to or really want hack it. I prefer it the way it is. Of course by stock I assume you mean the ROM. My phone is very customized from a launcher standpoint/home screens. Android, without root is very customizable. I may flash and root one day when we get more than 2 roms. But until then, i'm staying stock.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rjayflo:
I read Atrix users "moving up" to the Inspire? Lol...its moving down and then moving up with Modding in order to compare to the Atrix. I have a modded Captivate with updated GB boatloader, rom, etc....and I still prefer my Atrix. It comes down to preference not this is better than that...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BravoMotorola:
Idk I like my Atrix, but if I were you I'd go for the Galaxy S Butthole.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amtrakcn:
I think Inspire still wins screen and system. Sense is so far the best Android skin.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Meets34:
Galaxy S II isnt LTE either
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
I traded my desire hd after one day. Screen is washed out, phone is too big making it feel not very grown up and more of a toy and battery makes it useless. Samsung phones have never been an option for me.

Also, the whole flashing thing gets a bit tired as you end up just trying to find that perfect rom. Webtop is the greatest too.

I wont buy samsung ever.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rjayflo:
^exactly blunted. I've been flashing my cappy for a week straight and I'm tired of it already. It gets boring after a while. The size of the Atrix is perfect IMO...having the cappy as well, I don't think I can go larger than the cappy.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Made2Last:
Apparently even though standard galaxy s 2 has 4.3" screen, its thinness combined with better manufacturing make it seem alot smaller than previous galaxy s at 4" .
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjjensen23:
Moving to the Galaxy s2

Sick of atrix. As much as i love it, it just has not much over the SG2
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kidqian:
terga 2 devices seem more powerful.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
Both MotorBlur and TouchWiz both suck IMO, and both get removed by me with a launcher so who cares.

Heck I'll take it a step further, HTC Sense is overrated too IMO.

I wish Google would have followed through with their threats of making all phones "Vanilla" and letting the user change them to their liking...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
Please keep Apple out of this.

Yes their resale value is higher because their products are generally overpriced to begin with.

Plus if Steve Jobs tells them to buy a product, they will ignore any review and still buy it new or used...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Made2Last:
They suck if they alter the experience in a way that makes the phone not perform as well as it should. Apparently the SGS2 works buttery smooth. I don't use Blur, I have a Gingerbread Launcher or Launcher Pro, and there is a difference in scrolling.

Ideally we would all like stock gingerbread, but if you do have a ui layer to deal with, atleast if it doesn't make the scrolling or experience suck we can stomach it more.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
I too looked at my original Galaxy S more of as a toy at times than a business phone for work. Plus I hate the "stock" Notification LED missing. Also I'm not thrilled at the thought of any phone being bigger than a 4" screen. (I want a phone - not a tablet)

However on the other hand, the Atrix has been kinda disappointing to me up to this point, and I still stand by what I said yesterday:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13367693&postcount=32

The part where I disagree with you is the ROM flashing. IMO next to apps, ROMS are the next biggest thing that extends the lifespan of a phone. Sometimes I'm happy with stock, but there are other times that I bust out "Titanium Backup" and enjoy giving my phone a different flavor.

^ I mean that's really the biggest difference between Android and "everybody else" is "end-user" control.

In the end I think many around here are disappointed that Motorola didn't unlock the bootloader before Samsung started launching the SGS2, and Moto needs to do something about that ASAP!... :(
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsp120167:
Have the atrix now but you will be able to find it on Ebay as soon as Galaxy S II launches. I miss flashing Roms.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYkEUOA6Spo
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1062225

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1073163

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1069365

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1073683

1080P is something i can definitely live without on a mobile phone...those issues i cannot.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lyon21:
I don't know why there is so much controversy about this. The atrix is clearly the better phone. Yes, the gs2 won't have a locked bootloader but we have devs working on that. Atrix: better screen, fingerprint reader, webtop, better processor, bootloader solution coming and once its overclocked, it'll blow anything away! Gs2: less pixels, super amoled, bigger screen, unlocked bootloader... Nothing else.

That's all I have to say about the subject.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjjensen23:
U clearly havent used both. Once you do and make your decision u will work out which one is better. Fingerprint reader and webtop ill give you but screen is subjective and personal preferance. Better processor? Nope. Bootloader solution? Good luck with that. I do enjoy using my atrix but for my phone i use all the time i prefer my gs2
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheetah2k:
Damn... SGSII has be overclocked to 1.5Ghz, and 4000+ Quadrant scores... Time to bail on the Atrix I think.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snoozemode:
From what you write it's clear you don't own an Atrix.

The 540x960 PenTile RGBW screen has fewer subpixels than a 480x800 RGB. Actually I find my Atrix has more visible pixels than my previous PenTile RGBG HTC Desire, which isn't that strange since that one didnt have a non-colored subpixel that closes and turns black on colored graphics.

Fingerprint reader.. well it's a fun thing at first but you just get tired of using it when it sometimes need 3-4 swipes.

Webtop... it's really really hard to motivate yourself buying a laptop-dock for the same price of a much more powerful and feature-rich netbook. Not to mention the stationary dock, why in the world would I want to replace my stationary computer. Now if Motorola enabled webtop directly over HDMI (as has been done here on XDA), then it might be another story.

Better processor, nope.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ronj1986:
I had the Atrix, I still have it actually, just waiting to get the screen fixed before I sale it. I picked up a Galaxy S2 last Sunday. I think I'll be happy for 18 months with the Galaxy S2. The Atrix is a piece of crap compared to the SGS2. I was dissapointed in the Atrix, but once I got the SGS2, I have no problems with anything. Can play all files, it gets warm, but not hot like the Atrix. When i go to press buttons, I get the button I am aiming for the 1st time(less errors when typing text). The browser is SUPER FAST(on ATT). It can record 1080p right out of the box, instead of waiting for an update that Motorola promised shortly after launch. And the pictures are amazing, also this could be attributed to the screen. Even pics I took months/years ago look hi def on the SGS2 screen. And I have a nice case with a kick stand in the back:-)....I guess I won't be hearing from any of you after this Saturday, once I sale the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roharia:
*sell not *sale; we don't want an illiterate nerd anyways...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Saschwatch:
Come on man no need for that.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Atrix with better screen?? I can understand you are a Atrix fanboy. Show me 1 independent report which says Atrix has better screen. Or show me any video where it shows Atrix has a better screen compared to GS2. No need to spread ignorance, we already have enough of it.

EDIT: From gsmarena:

"Unfortunately, despite the higher resolution, the ATRIX 4G renders the Android graphics (icons, text and such) rather pixelated when looking up close.

Of course, that's an exxaggerrated view but believe us you can tell the difference. The HTC Desire S screen definitely looks smoother even though it's got a lower pixel density than the Atrix."

It can't compare with Desire S, how does it have a chance against GS2?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
That's actually not really that great....

Think about it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roharia:
Maybe not but its the highest I've seen
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Exador:
Sold my Atrix for $50 (it's hard to sell something they're giving away) just to get rid of the locked down pos and went back to my trusty Aria until something halfway decent comes to AT&T. The Atrix experience was a total letdown. The developement community wants nothing to do with the Atrix which makes for a very boring phone if you like to tinker. Motorola hasn't done **** for new features either. They're to busy trying to give us what the phone should of had to start with. Motorola can go **** themselves with a curling iron.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
SmartBench 2011 productivity.

s2 @1.5 = 4396

800×480

tegra2 @1.4 = 5745

800×480
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
I guess you never saw all those overclocked HTC DHD's.....
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
Are you sure this cpu/gpu is all that great???

Smartbench 2011 gaming

s2 @ 1.5 = 3105

s1 @1.4 = 3694

lg2x @1.4 = 3935
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roharia:
My atrix hasn't gone above 2850
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
Atrix 2.2 1.0mhz 30% more pixels = ~2800

s2 2.3 1.5mhz 30% less pixels = ~4100

Do some quick math in your head.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bendispo:
Actually, the S2 should be scoring even higher. It's currently vsync locked to 60 fps, and in quadrant, it becomes vsync limited.

At 1.5ghz, it's maxing out (60fps) every single test in quadrant.

At the stock 1.2ghz, it's maxing out at 60fps on all tests except for the last one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VZ2oFpzzjqg
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rex-tc:
SGS II is also only 16-bit color too. Look at the heavy banding threads.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bendispo:
Yep, that does seem to be the case.

Do you know if that's a panel limitation, driver limitation, or GPU limitation?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slimslim:
Oh really? $50? That sounds like a "good deal", and since they're giving them away, do you really care for the $50? I'd rather donate it to any xda dev to work on it than *****ing all the time in every post about how bad it is or how Motorola hurt your feelings.

Good luck with your Aria. Bye bye.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mario925:
Moto Atrix
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rjayflo:
And we're sitting comparing a phone running gingerbread and one with froyo. Once Atrix is updated to GB it'll be a different story. I have no complaints with my Atrix...only ones I see complaining are the ones who cry about the locked boatloader lol
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mario925:
same here. gotten love the Atrix!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mario925:
agree with u. The HTC Aria is weak compared to the Moto Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
I think 2.3 + lower resolution make a bigger difference than vsync limited.

Is the atrix not limited to 60fps as well? I've seen it bouncing of 60 in quite a few tests. idk

So what do you think an s2 with tegra2 1.5mhz will do?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PuerkitoBio:
Those of you going to Samsung.... best of luck (former Galaxy S owner).

Sent from my Atrix
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheetah2k:
I'm keeping my Atrix (I still love it and don't want to sell it until I see what Gingerbread does - so boxing it and using it as a spare) when my SGS II arrives next week.

I might post up a short non-biased end user review after I've used the SGS II for a few weeks.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ekerbuddyeker:
I played with the s2 today. Really nice device, fast with great screen. Camera was wonderful. If I didn't have the atrix I might go for it. But its not significantly different to the atrix when it comes down to it.

Plus now I have the webtop hack, I think the atrix is superior.

But when the at&t version of Sensation comes out, I will switch because I think sense makes a massive difference.

Just my 2 cents.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mafisometal:
yeah, that i would say go for the SGSII, it's a overall better phone. It's unlocked, similar performance to the atrix, Sorry but Samsung is pretty good on build quality. They have a better fail ratio on phones than most have. I wish i held off a little to get that phone and i would have saved myself a few bills.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ekerbuddyeker:
so i bought the S2 yesterday. I have had the atrix for about 2 months. Initial feedback

S2 just seems easier to use. Cant really explain why.

Atrix battery life MUCH better (and bigger)

Atrix screen resolution is better, but I prefer the S2 even though some widgets look too big on its screen

Atrix radio os better for where I am. S2 radio takes a while to start getting data (for example when I come out of a tunnel). Data speed feels slow. Did a few speedtests and the Atrix got higher scores where I am. this is dissappointing to me.

S2 camera is wonderful (but shots on the Atrix werent bad either)

sound on Atrix is definately superior to S2, both in ear and speaker

Speed: they feel about the same to use

Probably not differentiated enough to warrant buying the S2. will have to sell one of them (anyone can recommend best place to sell either? im in NYC)