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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rex-tc:
1. No actual HDMI output you have to use USB port which means you have to run off battery.

2. Finger print scanner is pretty cool imo.

3. 200,000 less physical pixels who cares about subpixels it still renders less. It only displays one of those colored subpixels at a time. Not to mention the ppi will be worse also.

4. Still important

5. I have seen side by side images the dimensions they looked about the same.

6. We will see on that one but I wouldn't hold my breath on them beating Motorola or HTC as far as updates go.

7. The Matrix multi-touch is a softare issue that Motorla said they will fix a future update. Nothing with build quality.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
I am getting the galaxy s2 when it comes out just because I like having new phones when they come out
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rex-tc:
Well the same Tegra 2 is pushing the Xoom at 1280x800 so qHD should be just fine.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atsim:
i'll prolly get one once it hits state side
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 2488575:
a lot of people might tell you the exynos processor in the SGSII is better than the tegra2 in the Atrix. That is wrong. The atrix can get near the SGSII in benchmarks and it is a full version behind as well as pushing more pixels. When the Atrix gets 2.3 it will be much higher in benchmarking than the SGSII.

Now benchmarking isn't everything.. The current trend is locking down bootloaders. If the SGSII is like the atrix in the bootloader position I recommend you get the Atrix. if it is unlocked then you should probably get the SGSII if you like custom roms. Hopefully the Atrix gets unlocked because it is a beast of a device. Much better over all than the SGSII but the bootloader is its weak point.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PixoNova:
I've got another upgrade due in April of 2012. Can't wait to see what'll be out by then xD Hopefully quad core phones with 2 GB RAM!

Anyways: my vote is wait for the SGSII to actually come out, and see if the bootloader is encrypted or not. Can't go by manufacture's name anymore (HTC I'm looking at you)

Anyways, if it is anything like my Captivate, I'll pass. The GPS problem, the horrible updates, all things to consider. However, that SAMOLED screen makes my eyes drool.

Touchwiz is just a crappy iOS knockoff interface, IMO. If I wanted the iOS look, I'll use my iPhone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tennis11:
It will have docks... do some research first.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KefkaticFanatic:
There were some rumors of a Tegra version of the GSII though, right? Perhaps some of the US versions of it will have Tegra 2...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EclipseX:
nop europe version with tegra 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmjY0s9BIws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMDAWNz5Vo
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rayan:
I would never go back to an AMOLED based screen.

Even though I still own the mighty Nexus One, I really feared of having the screen turned on for extended periods of time, sacrificing the use specially on apps with too much white space (whites tend to degrade faster, obviously).

Did you know that AMOLED screens tend to degrade with use? Some people reported that their AMOLED screens have a burn-in effect much like Plasma or those old CRTs.

Yes the SGS2 screen is a newer generation of AMOLED screen, and the screen should last longer than you keeping the device, but it being organic makes me go hmmm.

It looks really good with pure blacks, but colors are very unnaturally saturated and there are reports of lots and lots of bad screens, dead pixels and such.

But hey, that's only my reasoning.

Also I chose the Atrix because of the high resolution screen and the nVidia Tegra 2 chipset.

Regards,

Rayan
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lunzi88:
I love my atrix and nothing would make me give it up

(well except perhaps the droid/milestone 3 would. Coming from the milestone 1 to this, the thing I missed the most was having a real physical kb.)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ekerbuddyeker:
Im still switching between the two and by far the biggest issue on the g2 is the appauling battery life! Read the forums. Im getting only 4 hours out of a battery! Utterly useless and no way I can trust going out for the day with that device. Atrix is the best battery since my treo 650 with the extended 2400 battery (dream- it was standard size!).

I think the g2 is easier to use but I plan to sell it and stick with atrix.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MustNotSleep:
I'm sorry, but what a ridiculous reason to choose anything.

I think I've decided to wait until the SGSII drops to around $800 and go with that. The Atrix is clearly superior when it comes to battery consumption, but I'm not too concerned about the Galaxy's. I'm used to my current G1 needing to be plugged in every couple of hours, so if I manage to get a day with low to moderate usage, I'll be satisfied.

As far as Tegra games go... meh. I'm fine with a casual gaming session from time to time. Anything more than that and I'll use a dedicated gaming device. I'd much rather have all the other hardware improvements over the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
I'm confused what hardware do you speak of thats an upgrade?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MustNotSleep:
Umm... http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3708&idPhone2=3621

Faster quad-band HSPA, better screen (gorilla glass, AMOLED+, higher sub-pixel count than Atrix's Pentile display, etc.), CPU clock, better cameras, better Bluetooth, FM radio, future NFC, USB OTG, from the reviews better compatibility for decoding high-bitrate H.264... Are we not looking at the same specs?

And the biggest software issue for me with the Atrix: locked bootloader, which may or may not be unlocked in the future. :-/

As far as hardware goes, the Atrix bests the GSII in the battery department, the cool fingerprint reader, it's awesome accessories, webtop, and arguably with the Tegra chipset, if games are your thing. All those are "meh" points for me.

I thought GSII's hardware superiority was pretty much clear by just reading the specs... However, the Atrix is much cheaper at the moment for a pretty awesome package, which is why I still had doubts a couple of posts ago.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sifon187:
If I was going to pay over $800 for a cell phone, it better last all day with moderate use, not just four hours. It is like buying a Ferrari and only having a two gallon gas tank. :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MustNotSleep:
Hehe well a Ferrari indeed has appalling MPG stats, but hey, you have a Ferrari.

Besides, these 4-hour claims are ridiculous. From all the reviews I've seen (case in point, also this), there is no problem reaching a full day with moderate-to-high usage on the SGSII, and up to two days with low-to-moderate usage, which is pretty good in my book. Now, part of this might have to do with Gingerbread's improved battery consumption, but it still proves the SGSII's battery is not that bad.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
faster hspa - too many variables as you won't hit 21 mbps anyway

plus you have a weak wifi signal

better screen - that depends on what you prefer, seeing a website on s2 is nothing impressive but it has pretty colors which everyone likes.

better camera - yes plus 1080p out of the box. I agree

future nfc - lol you don't have it, just cause some models might have it

cpu - if you think s2 is so much better trying beating all those tegra 2 chips on smartbench on the top of the list, s2 @1.8ghz can't even do it. Weak.

Some missed points----

GPS -Better on the Atrix

LED notification - ???? Does s2 even have one?

So basically if I got rid of an Atrix and got an S2, the only thing I would like better is the video/camera and unlocked bootloader. That's it.

No point as my future phone will at least have Tegra3/2g ram/720p screen/etc.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sifon187:
I was getting my claims from the many post on the xda section for the SGSII. :p
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
75% of what u said is software related easily fixed through market apps. oc if anything proves this phone will be faster @ 1.2.

Camera is definitely debatable on the PICTURE front. video camera i agree-it takes great videos.

FM radio i dont use. any claims on battery lasting a day or more on the sgs2 is only because you kill of everything that makes it great.

BT is just bluetooth-it links to my car and thats all i need.

Screen is better on atrix for me.

shape and quality of outside is better on atrix.

Brightness better on atrix.

Accessories better on atrix.

webtop-i like having a computer on my 46" tv screen. it works well for dinner get togethers :)

led-...

not to down the sgs2 at all but its an equal not an upgrade.

We are looking at the same specs yes.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjjensen23:
The easiest way for a comparison is if you own both devices. I do and once you do u realise which one you prefer. The atrix has many gimmicks (webtop, fingerprint etc) but ignoring them, the gs2 is superior in every way.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
i dont see it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rex-tc:
Atrix is smoking Exynos and pushing 40% more pixels.

Atrix vs Galaxy SII Browsermark (Atrix Wins)

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4179/35416.png

Atrix vs Galaxy SII GLBenchmark 2.0 (Atrix Wins)

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4179/35417.png

http://androidandme.wpengine.netdna...loads/2011/03/dual-core-glbenchmark-egypt.jpg

GL Benchmark 2.0 (Tegra Wins)

Game Score Smartbench 2011 (Atrix Wins)

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/images/Samsung_GalaxyS2_Table.png

Also what is Galaxy S2 doing better in real life usage?

NOT IN GAMES

Where it can't even play a HUGE majority because the SOC can't do compressions (PVR, ATITC, DXT) only EXT. Plus has not ONE optimized game in production (unlike Atrix... Bang Bang Racing, Samurai 2, Riptide, Tegra Pinball, huge list of THD games, GOFII, Dungeon Defenders Tegra Version, MYFT, Vendetta Online, Trainz Simulator, Monster Madness, T-Racer HD, Soulcraft, Hitory Battles, etc). Also don't say "Buhh buhh Galaxy S2 will get games eventually" BS because those games were known 6 months+ prior to coming out for Tegra. Name ONE coming to Galaxy S2.

NOT IN DISPLAY

16-bit color banding heaven (24-bit atrix), dead pixels, yellowish tint on screen, Purple Greys, dingy white, low res POS.

NOT IN PRODUCTIVITY

No webptop, docks, small low battery life, fingerprint scanning, AA small font, one bar wifi phone, missing HDMI port, still broken gps, that is no where as good as Atrix.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rex-tc:
Lower Resolution 40% less physical pixels, and lower pixels density per inch, we have gorilla glass also duh, HSDPA test so far showing your phone is slower, yellowish tint screen, only 16-bit vs 24-bit screen color, heavy banding on Galaxy S2, yellowish whites, CPU clock was changed last minute it is a 1ghz processor overlocked because of HTC and benchmarks losing to Tegra 2 (go look at Engadget benchmarks), the Subpixel argument is funny since it is using the regular RGB stripe that any LCD uses.

Look at Galaxy S vs Optimus 2x (LCD, Notice RGB Stripe)

Look at Galaxy S2

I guess EVERY LCD owner should start bragging about their subpixels LMAO.

Better bluetooth? Every forum member complains about dropped Bluetooth and Wifi, and you come in her bragging about Bluetooth. What are you doing with your bluetooth that we can't?

Also where is your dedicated HDMI port? Where is your docks? Where are your games (can't play multiple compression and nothing optimized)? Your GPS still is nowhere as good as ours. Development support will never be as good 20+ Tegra 2 devices Tablets, Phones, etc. Camera... show me comparison shots that your camera is so much better. Iphone4 has a 5 megapixel camera that blows yours out of the water... Optics > MP. We have FM radio built in it is just not turned on yet (maybe future update); don't care anyways I have Pandora and FM Radio APP that can play ALL FM Radio stations.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sifon187:
I would not call the webtop or fingerprint scanner a gimmick. There is nothing more secure then a fingerprint, so it is a brilliant idea to protect the phone. Webtop will become more common as our phones are becoming mini computers.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hongsam:
raptopdock

consider., ! S2 has not raptopDock

Atrix + raptopdock(Ubuntu) = Linux notebook
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheetah2k:
"RaptopDock" ROR BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA :D!!!!!!!!

****************

On another note, just thought I'd comment on the SGSII vs Atrix start up lag from sleep. Both handsets take around 2-3 seconds after pressing the home/on button. I always thought my Atrix was slow, but so is the SGSII.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sifon187:
Are you comparing this to stock on both phones?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MustNotSleep:
I now realize this thread shouldn't be in the Atrix forum. >.<

Guys, I wasn't trying to knock "your" phone over "my" phone, as I don't have either. I was merely trying to state some of the obvious hardware improvements of the SGSII and be as objective as possible in the comparison with the goal of helping me choose a better device in the long run, which is what I thought this thread was about. No need to get defensive about this at all... sheesh.

For me, the webtop and fingerprint reader is gimmicky (i.e. cool to have, but I doubt I'll ever use them), and the locked bootloader is a major deal-breaker. The only thing keeping me from the SGSII is the unholy price at the moment. I'm expecting this might go down soon, especially when the 32GB version comes out, which is why I've decided to wait for a few more weeks.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
Battery life = Meh?

I mean if that's your thing that's cool, but battery life is probably the biggest reason why "HTC" is out of the equation for many around here.

If the HTC Sensation had a TFT screen and the battery of the Atrix, I personally believe that nobody would be even talking about the SG2 around here...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChongoDroid:
I actually use my fingerprint scanner... Its fast and its accurate. If I don't feel like it I unlock the pattern. I haven't used webtop because I deleted it :)

Sent from my Googletron
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haloimplant:
Not every LCD, the Atrix has a pentile LCD (only 2 sub pixels per pixel). Why do you think this gets brought up in the comparison?

The the sub pixels are the 'physical' pixels, and a qHD pentile has less of them than WVGA RGB.

Fwiw I don't think either phone is worth upgrading to from my SGS. The Exynos is disappointing compared to Hummingbird, and I'm not buying pentile again.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MustNotSleep:
No, what I meant was that the battery improvement of the Atrix for me does not compare to some of the SGSII's improvements over the Atrix, like say an unlocked bootloader and more detailed screen. Besides, the battery in the SGSII is not that bad at all, judging from this test. Also keep in mind that I'm used to the abysmal battery of my G1, so anything will already be a step up.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cheetah2k:
Yes.

Atrix on unrooted u4.2.1.1 and SGSII on KE7 unrooted.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rex-tc:
The Subpixels are not the physical pixels or they would be able to advertise the resolution. The Subpixels are just mini color lines. 100% of the subpixels will not be displayed all the time. There is never a situation where every pixel would display Red, Green, and Blue. Go compare text, wepages on our phones and you will see ours is much sharper. Also we still have more subpixels per inch. We have roughly the same amount of subpixels. Do a little math and quit regurgitating fanboy lingo.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberPunk7t9:
Exactly. I never thought there would be a day when I plug my phone into the big TV in the living room or my computer monitor and it turns into some kind of a netbook.

It's the best and most valuable feature I've ever seen in a phone! What gimmick?!!

Seen this??

[youtube]bgbP0IcWVu8[/youtube]

On the subject, I'm sure the SGS II is an exotic high-end device too. But it's not a high-end market dominator like some make sound to be. It's just there among the other high-end phones.

If I had it I really think I'm going to miss webtop and maybe the fingerprint scanner (which really is faster and easier than codes and dots connecting).
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sifon187:
Ah, so both phones are plagued with pointless bloatware.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KingKuba13:
I don't have that. Just press volume button and instant wake up.

Stock Stock using No Lock.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nexxusty:
HTC's speakers suck ass dude. Everyone knows that.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ekerbuddyeker:
returned SGS2 and kept the Atrix. Atrix won for me.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
welcome back! I think both are great phones...its just a matter of preference.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ekerbuddyeker:
You see, I don't think the sgs2 was a great phone. I still have a modded captivate and I prefer that! At least my battery could last more than 5 hours.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaolin95:
Atrix sucks really....but I am not sure I will go with the Galaxy S 2 either. I love my Captivate and recently had the chance to upgrade and passed on the Atrix because, it is damn laggy compared to my CM7 powered Captivate and GPU is not that much better than mine, in fact they trade blows depending on the game plus the screen is like NO COMPARISON. The Atrix just cannot touch the Galaxy.

Now , the reason I am not going with the Galaxy S 2 yet is , Tegra 3 and the fact that Nvidia is pushing hard to win the market.

Tegra 2 is a lot of hype...not that it is a bad platform but the fact is, it pisses me off when games come out on Tegra because "only tegra can do them" then someone is able to make the game work perfectly on my Galaxy like Riptide, Pinball etc, showing it was just a BS marketing move by Nvidia.

Then again, perhaps having Nvidia in the Android market is the thing we needed to get more quality games finally developed...who knows,

IN any case, my current status is wait and see how it plays out with the current fragmentation....

Atrix...not powerful enough to compare to the Galaxy S2 but Tegra 3 could be the one...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slimslim:
Honestly I'm happy with the Atrix and its pentile screen ;), I think I'll keep it for at least another year, but if there'll be an Atrix 2 (Tegra 3) in the future with fingerprint unlock then, it will definitely be my next device :)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paschalis:
Why you say thinner, and don't mention much bigger?

You will need new jeans, with pockets "optimized" for sgs2 fit :P

And the other thing..

Tegra2 is being supported a lot by Nvidia..

Search the tegra2 games in market, to laught at sgs2 owner comments, who cry, bcz their phone is better than atrix, but the games aren't smooth!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] (•.•):
If you get a atrix over a galaxy s2 you are just stupid to support motorola or any kind of high radiation devices.

Mainly because of the mega high sar value the atrix have.

Atrix = Cancer Maker

And SGS2 has one of the lowest sar values.

SAR = 0.338 (highest)

Have fun, atrix users!

oh and sorry for disturbing you, but you made a wrong decission, now take the consequences.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slimslim:
Lol at this guy. He gets a little less cancer than others. He's safe now 'cause he made the right decision ;-)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikatnight:
so which one did you end up getting?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jags_the1:
Atrix is just another fail phone!! sg2 anyday
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] guidoido004:
I got both :p
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dton13:
Three words. High Profile H.264 (720p or higher/NEON support)

Whats the point of a powerful Tegra2 if it can't even decode modern day hd rips.

This is the one thing that absolutely drives me crazy I've been reincoding all my files to just watch on the atrix
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atsim:
oh yeah,only thing I miss about my epic
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alejandrissimo:
sgs2 has an unlocked bootloader?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
As in HTC Sensation with a limited battery?...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
Also agree to wait when it comes out, and it needs to be way better than the Captivate.

On a side note, quad core on a cell phone? IMO that's overkill. I still can't justify that on my desktop or laptap!... lol
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drock212:
Isn't the dual core htc the pyramid and doesn't it only have 1gb of hdd? At least that's what I read... I think my Atrix is good for me. Ill wait for quad core fir my next phone

thats just my 2 cents

sent from XDA mobile
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lost2030:
Is there a release date for the SGS II on AT&T??
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PixoNova:
Haha there's no such thing as overkill on a phone! I don't doubt it will happen either xD

It's all a matter of time, my friend. I thought I head rumors of companies trying to make quad core processors for the phones.

EDIT: Here ya go: http://firstsearchblue.com/quad-core-cell-phones/
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberPunk7t9:
There's a mod for the Atrix called "webtop mode with a dock". Check it out and if you find extremely interesting like myself and many others, It can make the Atrix distinguish itself among many other high-end dual-core new Android phones.

Check this out.. You can do this with just your Atrix and the supplied Micro-HDMI cable! how interesting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnuS1SmxVnM

I was showing this my family (5 of them just bought an iphone4) in the living room's 40-inch TV, They were extremely surprised I had nothing in my hands but my Atrix. :)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rjayflo:
Pass....Atrix sits top of the game. Dual core HTC wont outperform the GS2
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wirednix:
SGS II. Duh.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vapotrini:
It's pretty apparent that a lot of people here haven't been keeping up with SG2. A lot of you seem to be judging it on beta software.

Every recent review I've seen has been 99.9% positive. Most everyone is floored by how fast and smooth the phone is. Terms like "disgustingly fast", "blazing fast", "easily the best screen I've ever seen on a mobile", are pretty common. You combine that with an unlocked boot loader, very capable battery life (supposedly a full day with heavy use), Gingerbread 2.3.3 and I just don't see where the Atrix holds any advantage.

By the way, the Samsung doesn't upgrade their phones argument is pretty invalid. Their international versions always get updated in a timely manner. It's the US variants that take a long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvXzvHOEcCA
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarcMaiden:
the problem is we do not know when the SGS2 will make a US launch. If it was anything like the captivate, it will launch late July and who knows what else will be out there. Now if the SGS2 launches with AT&T's 3g compatible bands I might very well import one.

Its not so much I think its a better phone than the atrix,

Its more because I am just a phone whore.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jive_83:
Galaxy 2 I guess comes with both Tegra and Samsung processors depends on the location. Samsungs Processors has better GPU capability than the Tegra 2. However better processor doesn't mean better phone. End of the day all it matters is the overall experience.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PakaPakaxz:
Off course Galaxy S II !

Or maybe a new HTC dual core.

Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G