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[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azyouthinkeyeiz:
Android central posts an article, and less than an hour later, here we are trying to circumvent..

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[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b15love:
a dirty cop doesnt need a cellbrite to get your information is the main point. If they want to do it that bad (because apparently you might be hiding something) then they can do it remotely. the technology already exists. cellbrites are old news.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whosdaman:
Ok, now that's bad. But it isn't Cellebrite's fault for the police of incorrectly using their product. What they are making is perfectly acceptable and I love it. It is one of the greatest tools for mobile devices ever made, yet you can't give it a bad reputation because law enforcement officers don't follow the law.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
I can agree w you there!
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brendan802:
I have nothing to hide. At one point of time in my life I got into some trouble (over 10 years ago) and most cops know this and even though as of now I have no criminal record anytime I have had any involvement with police my rights are thrown out the window. As for people opinions you are entitled to yours as I am with mine. I see this going nowhere fighting over people beliefs and opinions so I will stay out of this thread.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeffyv2:
Why not move then if you feel there out for you...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emerica2k2:
I would look at a worst case scenario and decide if it is worth it to be protected or not from a device such as this.

Say for example, an officer pulls you over and says you match the description of an armed robber from the prior night. Then the cop asks about your activities last night and you tell him you were home all night. Then he asks to scan your phone. Since you feel like you have nothing to hide you give up your phone. Hopefully, your phone backs up your alibi and you never hear about it again.

However, what if you forget to mention that you went to get gas or whatever? Now they have information from your phone that could potentially disprove your story. What if your phone places you in a nearby area to the stores the robber hit.Who knows what law enforcement could pin on you even when you're completely innocent. So no need for a warrant or subpoena since you gave up your phone (and rights). A device like this in the field has too many potential risks. Even if you think you have nothing to hide, you need to flex your rights.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kcarpenter:
Its not illegal search and seizure if there is a warrant.

But on the topic of cops, I live about 20 minutes from the nearest station with 6 full time officers, and a few part time traffic enforcement guys.

I've never needed to cops due to the nature of the community I live in. Small population scatered out across several square miles. But if something where to ever happen, there is a Gun in each cars glove box, and in each room of the house. My wife and I have concealed weapon permits, my 4 year old daughter shoots a .22, and my 8 year old can handle anything in my collection (sometimes better than me). They all know where the guns are, how to handle them, and how not to handle them. Gun Education is the only true protection aginst the weapons them selves. Protection from people with them comes with knowng how to use them.

In closing, I'm pro gun, and pro cop...at least th ones in my community. They can have access to any of my data they want, given our oficers probably don't have budget or need for a cellbrite - they already know what your up to around here.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ungovernable1977:
Search and seizure is worlds apart from what the constitution stated. They were actually stating that you had to state the exact items you were searching for, such as '.45 auto and a kilo of coke' that they had actual suspicion of, if they found other guns/drugs at scarface's house, they had to GO to a judge, and get a warrant, now they radio it in and pick it up whenever. We do NOT live in the country we were supposed to, its a ****ing police state, Dreams, everyone saying this is bull****, you are totally correct, but unfortunately the U$A is so scared of 'turrists' they will give up all their rights as long as walmart is still there. This is totally unconstitutional, hands down, but as a few have said, nothing new. All of the telecoms have bent over forwards on our behalf for the feds, and anything you put out there digitally, is basically already had. And even if it isnt, youre better off assuming it is. If you do or reference illegal activity on your cell phone, youre a dumbass. If there is anything you feel you dont want out there for whoever to access, dont put it on your phone.. flat out. And barney fife is the least of your worries here, as he, and most pigs, are too stupid to do anything with whatever they find, unless youre a drug dealer stupid enough to use a contract phone. Dreams, look at history, and you will find your love for the police is correct, in every revolution, they were the last to 'wake up', the military usually the first, as they signed up to defend their country, not bully it. Aaaaarrrggghhh..... anyways, keep your phones clean, and be aware that your rights are being bought and sold by corporations, and as much as Id like to see something developed here just as another finger in the air such as NOCIQ, which is beautiful, its really not going to stop this system. Oh and whomever referenced anarchy earlier, please check something other than websters for your definition, as it does not imply chaos and lawlessness, it actually implies ultimate self responsibility and accountability, a simple greek translation does not mean ****.

http://www.lucyparsonsproject.org/anarchism/berkman_abc_of_anarchism.html

read a bit of that some of you, dreams especially... oh, and any libertarians, or anyone who likes what this country was SUPPOSED to be, this will sound familiar. Sorry for the off topic, but the request for a workaround to protect our privacy kind of prompted the discussion this became.

'Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean you're not in their computers' CRASS- Sometime pre-1984.

Oh, and as unconstitutional as all this is, all of the Nazi acts after 9-11 made it legal. Yes, if you can convince the right wing supreme court to hear the case, they should strike it down, same as fed grand juries, but good luck with that.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
Ungovernable, +1 nuff said. I do understand the real meaning of anarchy but having it tatooed on my shoulder, the cops that pull me over dont ;). Great write up though, and to those that feel we should stay on topic and fix this, there is no fix plain and simple they hook it up, they can dl from it.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fczeuner:
+1 Amen Brother
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndrewZorn:
Some funny stuff in here.

Worries about the local phone data when most of the stuff you use the phone for has already passed through the network...

Police that are going to use Clockwork Recovery to backup your ROM all so they can view your stuff...

The idea that you need to overwrite data multiple times to make it unrecoverable... (this is a common one though. hint: if 'they' can get data 5 erases back, then that means we have reliable technology to store 5 bits for every 1 bit we currently do... no. the entire idea is back from old HDD days when the magnetic 'spots' were much larger. doesn't work anymore, especially with flash. the same people who came up with the methods to super-erase drives have confirmed this.)

But maybe I'm just not as badass as some of the people on here. I think all this would have good reason if you were on trial for assassinating the president. In a case serious enough to justify digging this deep, I doubt the way you set up your phone and your elementary knowledge of law is going to help you much.

That being said, I've heard the locked-phone bit before and agree that might be a productive step in preventing a 'plain sight' search. It sounds dumb, but so does the ability for an officer to enter a car with the window rolled down, or be stopped until a warrant is granted by a simple locked door.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ungovernable1977:
I agree about that most data has already passed thru the well backed up networks, and I think the local pig issues are just because most making those comments have a healthy distrust for them, and its just another hypothetical of them stomping on your rights, as usual. Really, this issue is exactly the same as CIQ, as all that data sprint collects on you, why would you be worried about it unless you valued your privacy in general, regardless of any wrongdoing, and regardless if it is Sprint collecting data for say marketing purposes (sold to third parties etc) or collecting the info in case a govt agency decides to ask for it, and usually without warrant, as it is usually freely given up, no need for a warrant. Thats the thing, IF there were a real need to protect our own data (god forbid we have privacy), warrants would be irrelevant, it would be totally unconstitutional, but legal according to laws of the past decade.

OK, my question is, why is it that nobody acted like CIQ was some conspiracy theory, (actually it was heralded as a big finger to 'the man') but this is treated this way? They are just different methods to get the same data... so why? Is it because the past decade has trained most of us to revere (read fear) law enforcement, thinking every pig is the guy from 24 fighting terrorism, or is it because CIQ was brought to our attention by a Dev, who promptly had a solution, not just a random member asking if it were possible to cackblock this device?? I just dont understand the difference. I dont care if Sprint or any provider uses these machines, at my request, or on my behalf at a tech center... im glad they are there... but law enforcement using it for fishing expeditions is more of the same bull**** we have heard from Fox news drones for the past decade. If you would like to learn more of where this is going, just look at Germany in the 30s.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
For me, finding out about CIQ really pissed me off, however, the screen shot from the ACS team from the CIQ UI showed all the check boxes were turned off.. This made me feel somewhat more comfortable that they weren't data mining.. (I could be wrong though).. the prompt solution for this is what really made me happy.

The fact that the cellebrite machines DO exist is good for forensics where the data from the phone could help solve a case.. they're NOT a good idea for the state cop that has the "badge/gun/ego" and simply wants to push every day citizens around by 'conning' them into handing over their phone 'just in case'...

there are many tools that serve a useful purpose but in the wrong hands cause lots of mischief... (guns, needles, you get the idea)..

just sayin'
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dvin211:
Don't think for one second that Sprint can't remotely enable those unchecked features.

I agree that this thread has been derailed. I have nothing to hide yet I use a rom that blocks CIQ. I would love to see a nuke button built into my favorite rom.

Worse comes to worse and your in one of those states where the cops use mobile cellebrite. You can carry a small screwdriver to break the charging port or carry a thermos of saltwater. Both will do the trick.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndrewZorn:
CIQ only bothers me because it is something that doesn't need to be running. It is one more thing to get rid of in favor of performance.

On the other hand, the statistics that CIQ can pull may actually help Sprint make stuff better for its users. Yes, it's got some spywareish crap feel to it, but it's also similar to usage statistics for a web browser. I enable usage statistics in most programs because it might help, but hate the idea of anything like that on a phone with a sub-day battery.

If I had it my way, there would be no CIQ or government backdoors, of course. I'd throw Touchwiz in with that bag of trash. I now know the value of Nexus S and vanilla (though not PURE AOSP) Android.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k0nane:
They can and they often do.

Never, ever will my keystrokes, screen taps, apps used, browser websites visited (over WiFi), or anything of the sort have a legitimate use. You will not convince me otherwise.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
Agreed one hundred percent the least harmful cause they will use this for is targeted advertising which I view as a virus, a back door trojan and they can sugar coat it all they want if they want the info get it from a survey that way the willing will provide the stats on their own time minus hogging the phones resources to do it.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rjmjr69:
Lets dig this out then
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 063_XOBX:
From my understanding of how the cellbrite works, its not something you can "dig out" it relies on an exploit within the OS itself.

Texted while driving
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
I wonder if someone can 'borrow' one to see how or what exploit it uses so we can work on a workaround ?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] In_da_buff:
after reading this

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/What-Does-Your-Phone-Know-atlantic-1724256525.html?x=0

I'm wondering if the factory reset would wipe the phone memory because I could swallow the mini-SD card if I had to.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 063_XOBX:
Wiped memory is still recoverable. The only way to truly make sure wiped data can't be recovered is to rewrite over EVERYTHING after it's deleted, which isn't exactly something you can do quickly.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] In_da_buff:
yeah - delete and rewrite 7 times (minimum DOD requirement).

I'm guessing the factory reset doesn't do this.

Like the OP requested - maybe somebody will build this into a ROM.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whosdaman:
Okay seriously? Cellebrite is used for transferring contacts and pictures at Sprint stores.

It's kinda pathetic that everyone is thinking this is like a mind-control device. It's been around for YEARS. It's the #1 tool used at almost every store in America, whether it be Verizon, Sprint, AT&T or T-Mobile. It supports every known device in the world.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
while I don't disagree (I took a class or two on forensics and one of our projects was to see how many complete writes w/ zeros it took to make a usb drive NOT recoverable).. I'm wondering if the cellbrite machine can recover things in this fashion or if more invasive techniques would be required ?

Just throwing out more brainstorming.. if the cellbrite contraption isn't as 'in depth' at recovery, then a simple 'nuke' button would suffice.. no ?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daddymikey1975:
for the record (and to re-iterate).. I have NO problem at all w/ cellular stores having this piece of equipment for THIS purpose (it only makes sense, no ?)

I have no problem w/ law enforcement having the same for the LAWFUL purpose of obtaining "LEGAL EVIDENCE" from a device w/ a warrant in order to assist in solving an investigation.

Where I have a problem is w/ state troopers carrying this device and using it while conducting what should be a routine traffic stop. I think most would agree w/ my point of view. Thus the interest in preventing this device from being able to read our phones.

just sayin'
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
I have a problem with the store asking for your device, bringing it in the back room, and returning with it. There should be a notice that what they are doing is invasive, exactly what you have just inadvertently given then permission to access and the option to disagree with the access to your phone. I don't agree with law enforcement having this device to begin with. We all know cops can't catch a cold without a snitch, and that means they cannot do their jobs effectively and I really dont care what miracle it appears to be to the retail stores that's all just my two cents
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whosdaman:
Let me quote my earlier post. ^

Personally I have no idea why cops would need that information, and why they would buy a $1000+ piece of equipment. I didn't even know they made a wireless edition either! (Need to tell my manager about this.)

But I'll tell you everything that the Cellebrite can do, and it isn't true for every device:

1. Pictures

2. Music

3. Videos

4. SMS

5. Contacts

That's it. And I'll repeat, not all devices are supported for all that. Only Contacts is universal amongst all devices in the Cellebrite. The second most supported option is pictures.

Let me say that I do think it is wrong for cops to do this, but you have the right to refuse! It is your right to privacy!!! Don't let your cop touch your phone. If they pull you over for "Texting While Driving," don't let them touch your phone. If they want it, they need to get a warrant or they can subpoena the carrier for your text messaging records.

Little known here is that I'm actually studying to be an attorney, and I know just about everything when it comes to privacy and our rights as American citizens. 90% of drugs finds in cars come from volunteered searches! You don't have to let the cops search your car. You have the right to say no. The only thing you can't say no to is a breathalyser test. (Not saying it's right, but it is the law.)
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] siirus09:
I dont want anyone to be able to see my information without me knowing about it, much less without asking me to unlock it for them. I dont care if law enforcement doesnt abuse it or not, I dont want the option because it may fall into the wrong hands, or it may incriminate me without me knowing. Unless Im on trial for something then what I do in personal time is my business as long as it affects no one else's personal space. I hope Devs find something to block this nonsense.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ungovernable1977:
Yeah WDM I dont think anyone objects to provider stores having the device, and using it with our consent... I dont let em, just because its easier for me to do it myself. I dont disagree with a warrant for my phone legally obtained would be an issue... but then that device would be less useful that hooking it up to a PC.

I think we could use a DOD Nuke app, even if just for a hardcore SD/nand format... theres plenty of uses for that, other than privacy. The other, is a really aggressive firewall and a list of suspect services to restrict, if its out there, just tell my ass to search for it, thought of it mid-post... Otherwise, everything else can be had off the network, and they ALL store everything and hand it all over. 1337 came about trying to fool stupid govt programs from nosing in your business... not XBL tardspeak. Anyways, a super wipe and a badass firewall/ keeping up on what services are malicious is a good idea all around.

Oh and since this post is all too rational... ACAB. There, my two fingers in the air.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
With devices as smart as they are and fraud as high I call for an app that can remotely nuke the hd. Say log in from a pc to give the command. That way if you loose your phone you can ensure your privacy is safe as well.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whosdaman:
Well fine...whatever

The Cellebrite can only access the photos and other media types on your SD card, and it can only do so if it is put into Mass Storage mode.

The Cellebrite can only access your contacts and your sms's if debugging is enabled.

There. That's how Cellebrite gets access. I want to quote you on this,

"I dont want anyone to be able to see my information without me knowing about it"

If law enforcement doesn't abuse, then no one will. To begin with, the Cellebrite doesn't even let you see anything at all. It stores the information temporarily and you can either back it up to an USB Flashdrive or put it onto another phone. From there you would have to look at the information on a PC. And I think it may be encrypted by the device as a failsafe so it can't be abused.

And for this option to fall into the wrong hands...it's a $1000+ piece of equipment, and very expensive for a person to attempt to steal your information. Idk how anything in your phone can amount to someone stealing your information. I mean contacts, pictures? Big deal...

Also there are apps that can remotely wipe your phone. Check the paid apps...
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
No doubt might have to look into creating one for people for free unless the price is reasonable which most are and I dont feel like doing that much programming at the moment id have trouble executing the remote log in portion for sure
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leatherneck6017:
Dude, I need this in my sig. Do you mind me quoting that?
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ungovernable1977:
problem with that statement is that the smart ones are the ones who create all the means for this world to be screwed up, then let the dumb have control over said means. Nihilism is so iPhone ;)
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
That would make both parties equally as dumb ;)
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abmcbride85:
If you are afrade of cops scanning your phone on a traffic stop let me let you in on a secret... due to the fourth amendment you have the protection from unlawful search and sezure. This means you have the right to refuse a search of your vehicle unless probable cause exist and in that case a judge would have granted them access to your information anyways.... plus these devices are not carried by you're average police officer. An investigator may and I stress may have access to one and maybe narcotics/vice may have access to them also but barney fife is not carrying them around. And even IF they did have them what are you so afrade of? Somebody seeing nudy pics of your ugly girlfriend you have hidden in a .pic folder? Quit being so parranoid... just my 2 cents.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ungovernable1977:
@Dreams- unfortunately the 'smart' ones usually dont have much choice in the matter, as the dumb ones usually have the guns/power... which leads me to the next post...

I agree completely that the 4th amendment should apply, as originally intended, we discussed it earlier in the thread... but anyone with real life experience with pigs knows that they dont give a ****. Usually they are the dumbest of the dumb, they just excel at bullying and taking orders. It always has been that way. They get paid to push around their neighbors, plain and simple. Besides, the people that put together those amendments would NOT be happy with what they see in our country today. The bill of rights may as well be the 'writing on the barn' from Animal Farm'... yeah, its there, then theres hundreds of modifications to them made after that alter/defeat them. Its not a conspiricy, its wide open public knowledge, and done with the consent of those who trust authority figures (which should be considered a mental disorder in and of itself) implicitly for a false sense of security.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dreamsforgotten:
A agree completely. Under the patriot act the government can arrest a us citizen without reason hold them indefinitely and even execute them. Seriously so you expect the 4th amendment to protect you. I've had my car searched countless times with me denying permission because having tattoos fits me in a category of looking like a drug dealer apparently profiling over rides my rights. Never once were drugs found and I have no arrest record ever. I do carry semi auto weapons and its always a pleasure to watch

Them **** their selves
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k0nane:
At least we still have some semblance of a Second Amendment...