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[EVO 4G General] Holyrolla:
Yea...but I'm curious about everyone saying (or eluding to) Sprint will run LTE and Wimax side by side, but if you're swapping out a card to "switch" from Wimax to LTE, unless that baseband card can do both, then you are "switching" from Wimax to LTE, NOT running it side by side.

So I'm guessing that these new baseband cards will do both Wimax and LTE?
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
I'm sure they're rolling this out in the Idaho area. Several people at local stores said that they started updating/changing hardware on towers 6 months ago...but they've only down 1 in 10 towers, or so, so far, and not the one by my house. ;(
[EVO 4G General] slipshft:
You would be correct, new chipsets will be capable of running both LTE and WiMAX. The testing is to show that both technologies can be run simultaneously without issue, which it can given enough spectrum.
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/zte-demonstrates-wimax-td-lte-same-network/2011-04-21
[EVO 4G General] abanh:
How would this work on the phone though? I'd rather have one 4g technology then have the phone constantly switching between wimax and LTE. On our 4g phones right now it takes over 30 seconds to connect to wimax. If your phone disconnects from wimax there's a lag between when it reconnects with 3g. I'd hate to see the phone bouncing between wimax and LTE and interrupting your downloads or web surfing.

Any news on Lightsquared? I'd rather see their 1600mhz frequencies put to use over Clear's 2500mhz frequencies.
[EVO 4G General] Zabalba:
Most global phones have many bands. As tech increases and areas continue to use the same wireless tech, chips would HAVE to be compatible.

Verizon was testing using Voice over LTE rather than CDMA. That is where I think the industry is moving.
[EVO 4G General] 4g evo:
what sprint is doing is going to be the next wave in wireless technology (from what i can see) considering the united states is lacking behind other country's in wireless technology but i guess we will have to wait and see.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Why should we take anything you say serious? Your name is "4g Evo" lol. Creativity much?
[EVO 4G General] 4g evo:
i was bored? and thats the best i could come up with i suck at making names haha xD and i could care less if u do not believe me haha just putting my 2 cents out there
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I'm just effin with you, but you could have done better than that lol.
[EVO 4G General] Jazzek:
It is simply the most effective way to provide service. "Other counties" we are lagging behind are maybe the size of texas. US companies need to optimize if they want to improve coverage/services as technology advances. This format is the next logical step and it won't be exclusive to sprint for long.

-Just warming up!
[EVO 4G General] 4g evo:
i know -.- im really bad at making forum names haha
[EVO 4G General] teh roxxorz:
Well I honestly have no idea what's going on. Though my 3 cents: If this "mysterious" new technology is in the planning, perhaps the new random 01115 PRL [I currently have] is related to it?
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
That's my understanding of it (and I'm not a network engineer or anything, but I've got adequate technical knowledge to know the basics). the way I've been explaining it to my customers, what's happening is the software (LTE, WIMAX, later iterations of either*) is going to be decoupled from the hardware (the cell tower equipment), so the hardware can run whatever you ask it to, provided you've programmed it properly. it's like a Blu-ray player. back in the day you had to listen to music on a tape, watch movies on a VHS, and look at pictures on prints. the physical format was tied to the media being consumed. Nowadays a Blu-ray disc (or DVD and CD-rom, to a lesser extent), is really just a data storage format, not exclusively a media format. you can store data, pictures, audio, interactive games, etc., all on one format, and you can expand the compatible formats via firmware updates. I'm sure that's a bit of an oversimplification, but most customers aren't as technologically savvy as the folks around here.

If you think about it, that gives Sprint a ton of flexibility in designing the network and reacting to changing demands, which is why Shroomz and I, and any other employees who might be lurking around here, might come off a bit fanboy-ish when we post about it - it's pretty exciting in my opinion. And some of the figures they've been giving us in terms of how much coverage, throughput, quality, etc. is going to improve are truly impressive. So much so that even when you figure that it won't be quite as good as they project (no technology is - CDMA EVDO Rev. A was orginally projected to be to be 6-10 Mbps down and 2-3 up), it seems likely that it will be a big, big improvement. I just know I can't wait for it to roll out to Texas so I can start bragging about it to my customers.

*I'm not saying Sprint's going to be running LTE next to WiMax, because it hasn't been announced yet, and even if it's been decided one way or the other, I'm MUCH too far down the totem pole to know about that sort of stuff before it's announced. And anything I post here is my opinion only, nothing official from Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
PRL updates are generally not a big deal, the PRL is just a list of towers that the handset knows it can try to connect to. I don't think network vision would entail PRL updates, as all of the towers involved are already Sprint towers.
[EVO 4G General] 4g evo:
Though i dont work for sprint i do agree with you it does give them more flexability and from what i can see and what i have read up on it it will be sweet.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
not sure, aside from the fact that I know there will be new chipsets included in handsets starting this summer, which will be designed to take advantage of certain aspects of network vision (phones with old chipsets will still get some of the advantages as well). The chipsets in the new Wimax devices that have been coming out (for example the new novatel wifi 3G/4G) are much more seamless in moving from 3G to 4G, so maybe that would improve as well. it's all speculation at this point though.

I think the main benefit would not be in a dual mode WiMax / LTE device, because why would one device need two different methods of connecting to high-speed data? The chief benefit should be that, if you've got a WiMax device and I've got an LTE device, the network is going to have the flexibility to manage bandwidth dynamically to give us both the best possible service.

And apologies for the triple post. I kept noticing other posts I wanted to respond to, guess I should've read them all before replying.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Fu*k any news about what's going to happen etc I want to see some results now! Screw sprints "future plans" flip some switches now damnit.
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
Here in OC as of late I've seen a whole array of the ericsson trucks. Last week I was behind a Qualcomm testing van.

Sent from the Evo
[EVO 4G General] tailsthecat3:
screens or it didnt happen

;)
[EVO 4G General] :
Watch your mouth I know your mother.
[EVO 4G General] digiblur:
The PRL is not a list of towers. It is a list of system IDs. Lots of towers make up a system... sometimes even a system ID stretches across multiple states.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I wish it was that fast but one day that flip will be switched in the near future.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] jgalan14:
Idk what near feature this is coming but yeah Verizon can hold their candle against sprint, I usually get bad speeds in Verizon but stills load webpages faster then Sprint, I feel sometimes the 3g jumps up and down when downloading something even if I stay at the same place, which Verizon network don't do that,

Here is a speed test I did and you can see Verizon beating Sprint in my are (which usually sprint gets better download speeds) idk what's going on today tho
[EVO 4G General] Lorimere:
Really hoping this works out, and not way off in the future. I have 3 EVO's right now with sprint, and honestly don't have a problem with thier service. I do live in a 4G city, (But like 90% of the population I tend to live and work indoors.)

So Next year, if nothing has changed or seems to be changing I most likely be jumping to Verizon. Yes Verizon will cost more, but at this point I'm willing to pay more for something usable, than for a feature I can only use outside in the middle of downtown.

Unless I am homeless by then and living in a tent in which case sprint 4G might work.
[EVO 4G General] tempe38:
Well, I know that if they don't have it flipped by the time my contract is up I'm probably going to jump if I don't get fed up with the crappy speeds before then.
[EVO 4G General] imex99:
Once you tie in the $10 data fee, Verizon isn'that much more.... I'm off contract right now with my EVO and my wife has 1.5 years left. I need a huge increase of building penetration for me to stay. I work inside some large buildings 3G and 4G almost in the entire building. I get marginal 3g and go to verizon roaming in other parts and then lose service on my EVO.

I'm getting very OVER this and hopefully we hear some news very soon, I love my Sprint phones and prices but the coverage needs overhauled, sooner than later.
[EVO 4G General] |Jason8|:
I have to admit... I really do love my 150kbps "3G" speeds. I can't believe they got slower AFTER this wonderous PRL upgrade.

Might as well switch back to AT&T and run EDGE again. At least data speeds were faster.
[EVO 4G General] |Jason8|:
EvDO RevA: http://www.speedtest.net/android/47730231.png

Test Date: Apr 22, 2011 1:15:51 am

Connection Type: EvdoA

Server: Germantown, WI

Download: 6 kbps

Upload: 71 kbps

Ping: 866 ms

External IP: 173.120.29.235

Internal IP: 173.120.29.235

1xRTT: http://www.speedtest.net/android/47733428.png

Test Date: Apr 22, 2011 1:33:49 am

Connection Type: 1xRTT

Server: Germantown, WI

Download: 121 kbps

Upload: 125 kbps

Ping: 1077 ms

External IP: 173.120.29.235

Internal IP: 173.120.29.235

Excellent..................................................
[EVO 4G General] :
Now that is what i call speeds.

Like a sidewinder missile.

I get an average 144Kbps-230Kbps

:/
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Like a ton of other people. This is what Sprint doesnt seem to get. For some reason they think that telling people there's not a problem, or there's something wrong with the tower is actually a GOOD idea as opposed to saying we're in the process of updating the network. People arent going to stand for that, at all. I mean it should be apparent to them that people dont mind paying more money for better service otherwise the Big 2 wouldnt constantly be gaining millions of customers every year. Sprints logic just baffles me sometimes.
[EVO 4G General] EliWay:
No amount of spectrum "shifting" will work if there is not enough backhaul capacity. Having said that, I heard Sprint is in fact adding tons of capacity to all towers... Here in Boston coverage and capacity are awesome, but I do think Sprint is working hard to resolve this.
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
You would think 10 bucks extra would help them faster

Sent from my Evo, ho!
[EVO 4G General] ModXMV:
Boston coverage and speeds are awesome. It sounds like we are in the minority.

@zeuzinn did you happen to get the new PRL in the Boston metro area?
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
Pathetic speeds here in New York frickin City!

Read it and weep!
[EVO 4G General] jgalan14:
I would tell them to refund my money man, the sucks really
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
Wow, I wouldn't be able to deal with that. Fortunately, here in Vegas, I average 1mb download on 3g, and 6 to 9mb down on 4g. When I go home back to Boston, I get over 2mb down on 3g. Luckily both areas I'm ever in have excellent coverage. I feel bad for all u guys with atrocious speeds. That sucks.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
All i got was a $20 off my last bill.i was ready to jump ship and go to T-mo,but the recent rumors of AT&T/T-mo merger caused me to reconsider.

I'll give Sprint another month to fix their s*#t.if nothing changes then big Red here i come.
[EVO 4G General] jgalan14:
Yeah Verizon looks more promising at this point I think is funny the Verizon has double the customers then Sprint and there networks is faster, it wasn't as bad before tho the EVO made it like that with the epic help but If this doesn't changed I can't imagine how would it be with new customer getting the EVO 3D AND 20$ off your bull ain't s*** if data is one of the tho.g you use the most
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
See the pattern? Big red will have the same issues as they get more than 5 people on their network

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] jgalan14:
Lmao
[EVO 4G General] Semantics:
The article has been linked here one hundred times, Sprint HAS said they are in the process of upgrading their network. No matter how many times someone shows it to you, you ignore it. Look, didn't you go get a T-Bolt? Why are you trolling the EVO forums. As the saying goes. Fail troll is fail. Go talk to your friend over on the T-Bolt forum about how awesome your LTE speeds are and stop trolling the EVO forums.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I hope you were being sarcastic.

Verizon: 104 million subscribers

Sprint: 49.9 million customers

They haven't had problems scaling their EVDO network. They're already at 500,000 LTE users, more will come, and with all that money they make, they'll keep their network stable. Sprint on the other hand has always, and still is, in a financial down slide.
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
You must work for verizon

Sent from my Evo, ho!
[EVO 4G General] THEGAMEPLAY94:
even if he does, he's right. vzw has way more customers than sprint and has managed their network better
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Verizon has 500k 4G users, Sprint has 3.3 million. We'll talk when they get there.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
Heard..... lol, restaurant lingo!!

Cant speak for anyone but myself but go back thru my posts and you will see i havent had such problems with sprint, so no complaints here and since i noticed a new tower going up near my house I can only hope that new tower will support the new vision plan, i get about -80dbm currently...
[EVO 4G General] Lorimere:
are those 3.3 million users with 4g devices? or actualy 3.3 million 4G users.

That makes a huge diffrence. I live in a 4G area, but since the coverage is so bad, signal always dropping, ect. I don't even bother turning it on anymore.

Can't use it indoors, (unless you happen to be able to prop your phone in a window). Even using it in my car to stream slacker or pandora( in a heavy 4G cover area), the signal drops and reconnects so often that it is worthless. From work to my house I bet it drops and reconnects like 6 times or so (in a 20 min drive). I guess maybe a bird flies between my car and the tower. ;)

I like sprint honestly. 3g in my area is decent, not fast, but stable. 4G when I get it works well. But problem is that the 4G, as it is now, is so inconsistant that it is useless.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Exactly.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
I'm in the same boat as you and I completely agree 100%, and I live in a supposed "strong" 4g area just north of Seattle.

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
6 mbps in my basement nowhere near a window. 9 mbps outside. I'm loving it.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] jgalan14:
That's it ? Wow I thought there were more man at this range Verizon will catch up quick
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Thanks for thee info shroomz! Always appreciated I can't wait, sprint is going to be on top!

I'M IN SPAAAACCCEEEE! I'M IN SPACE! I'M IN SPACE!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I just pulled 6mbps here on 4G with one bar. Wish I had full strength to get real results.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Hmm, from the guy that said "don't worry about losing your upgrades, sprint will take care of you"
[EVO 4G General] Eat it iPhone:
Just updated prl to 01115 and 3g download jumped from avg of 1200/kbs to 2200. Upload avg unchanged at ~700. Very happy. I'll have to test 4g later

Sent from my Evo. Powered by MikFroyo, netarchy, XDA, and the tears of iPhone owners
[EVO 4G General] kf2m:
Where are you? I'm over at 30 Rock (actually across AoA from 30 Rock). I pull 2-2.5Mb/s on 3G, and 4-8MB/s on 4G. That's from my desk in the center of the building surrounded by a server farm. Outside 3G stays the same, and on 4G I get a consistent 8Mb/s.
[EVO 4G General] JDM Civic EG8:
I agree with you bro. I just signed up with sprint last Friday and been loving it so far. The only problem I am having is signal problems and drop calls. Which is funny because my area is suppose to be strong 3G/4G but I can't connect to 4G inside nor outside I have to drive about 4-5 blocks to get a 4G signal. And only get between 1-2 bars of 3G in my house. so they are sending me an Airwave for free should be here within the next couple days.
[EVO 4G General] Semantics:
Are you saying he's lying? I had an upgrade available on 11/1/10. I never used it, and lost it on the SP change. Guess what, they took care of it. Now, my other line, which was upgrade eligible in June got kicked back, no big deal, I hadn't earned that upgrade yet. So if you already had an upgrade that you were sitting on prior to 4/1/11, yes, they will take care of it. If you want your upgrade that you didn't earn yet, they'll probably tell you to pound sand, and well, you hadn't earned it yet so you, like me on my 3rd line, don't deserve it.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
We talked about this

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What if the sun explodes tomorrow ending all life on earth? You're playing a what if game, but right now in the real world, Verizon's LTE is better. Even if you play the what if game, its a game that Verizon has won in the past. Its EVDO network has been stable with over double the amount of users and with average speeds that were only marginally slower than Sprints best moment.

There's really no weight to your argument, just a Sprint employee trying to defend the service he sells with empty opinions.

As for network vision, I have no real doubts that its occurring. If you look back I was one of the first posters pointing at it, but that was months ago. I've been suffering from poor data service for months and there's no information on when it'll end. And as others pointed out, its especially insulting that users like me have to pay a premium data fee.
[EVO 4G General] THEGAMEPLAY94:
I love sprint but I have to agree with this
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Dude.....seriously. For the most part you are a really knowledgeable guy but wtf. You are anti everything that had to do with sprint or the evo. There isn't a single thread that no matter what the topic you come in and basically trash whatever is the topic of discussion. We get it. You hate sprint and the evo and to you every other carrier is better as is every other phone. So why not just put that in your signature that way you wont have to keep posting the same ish over and over.

I bet if sprint came out with some new tech that blew the others away you would still find something bad in it and claim it was trash. Damn just go to Verizon already.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
On top of what? :confused:
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I criticize all faults on any device or service. But this happens to be a Sprint/EVO forum, so to criticize them is only to be on topic and to do so with anything else wouldn't be.

The minute I start spouting stupid **** that is equivalent to "Apple sucks cause its Apple" or start making claims on data that can't be backed up by sources a la our Sprint boy, DirtyShroom, then you can call me out. Right now all I'm doing is stating what is really the case, and I'm not going to sit back and act like things are perfect.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
They dont have that issue with 3G, nor dropped calls with damn near triple the amount of people. At this point im still averaging the same speeds I did the day I got the TB. Too many maybe's and what if's in this thread.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
On top of the moon, with wheatly.

I'M IN SPAAAACCCEEEE! I'M IN SPACE! I'M IN SPACE!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Sorry to hear speeds suck in your area (for the billionth time), they don't in mine anymore. Hopefully they get fixed soon so we don't have to hear you anymore.

By the way, ill tell you what I tell my customers about what ifs... I'm not a psychic and neither are you so let's stop fantasizing. Facts are facts, Verizon = 500k 4G users, Sprint = 3.3 million 4G users. There us no comparison. Im sure Verizons 4G network will rank last just like their 3G network once it's gets populated. Probably not since they rape their customers and should have money to upkeep it.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
And I don't have issues with 3g

, 4g or dropped calls and I too am getting the same or better speeds on sprint today than I did day one. No what if or maybe about that.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Hahaha

Sent from my Evo, ho!
[EVO 4G General] Zabalba:
Troll harder

It's a simple choice for the consumer, vote with your wallet. If you really are genuine about your angst for Sprint voice it on their forum or talk to a CSR.

QQ MOAR
[EVO 4G General] THEGAMEPLAY94:
Why are people getting upset with award tour!? He is simply stating the facts I'm a loyal sprint customer but he's right
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Last time I checked ones opinion is simply that, an opinion which is far from fact. And one plenty happen to disagree with. But it gets old when all you do is complain and whine and trash sprint and its plans. I mean why are you a sprint customer with an evo then? Big red is calling so he might as well pick up. I'm just saying.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Cause all he does is complain about everything and only chimes in when he wants to talk about how perfect other phone companies are when compared to sprint. He apparently hates everything about the Evo and Sprint but won't get rid of either, if he even uses them to begin with.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
I'm in queens.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Facts and opinions are two different things. Facts are that Verizon has the slowest data network. Facts are that Sprint has 5 times the number of 4G users. Facts are that all he does is complain.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] Lorimere:
Looks like to me Sprints "network vision" is to just get rid of the network.

Anyone seen this post on the sprint forums?

http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/281992#281992

Can anyone confirm or deny these maps? While my "Home" area isn't effected, I travel a lot and this may be the death nail of sprint to me.
[EVO 4G General] tinybfk:
Thanks for the info shroomz
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
This is false. Sprint will actually improve on coverage to where Sprint should no longer have to rely on roaming agreements for coverage in most areas. The network will receive a significant upgrade giving it more or less the same coverage as Verizon with much better management.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] kf2m:
Oh out in the burbs.. ;) Then again even at home (NJ) I get decent speeds. Maybe Sprint doesn't like the outer borough's.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Where's the data for your claims? You don't have it. You only have data from about a year ago, before Sprints data issues. I have data that recently puts Sprints 4g in dead last.
[EVO 4G General] Lorimere:
I really hope your right, because I like sprint and would prefer to stay with them.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I'm speaking of their 3G network, it's the slowest. Their 4G, sure it's faster, so is your Honda with 1 person in it versus mine with 20.

Heres my area:

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] kf2m:
It looks like VZW pulled the plug on Sprint.