yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arcadia2uk:
Thanks, sangreal06,

I believe the USB debugging is only getting me into the /mnt/ folder.

But, if I understand you right, I can grab roebeet's root-prepped and updated HRI66 system.img here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=995785

and flash it by:

fastboot flash system system.hri66.rootprepped.img
fastboot reboot

After the device reboot, you will need adb to fix su permissions:

adb remount
adb shell chmod 6755 /system/bin/su

is this correct?
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sangreal06:
Yes, but that file is for 3G. It is not compatible with wifi model
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arcadia2uk:
Thanks, sangreal06, for catching that one, it probably saved me a lot of grief. I guess the one to use will be Scourge1024's:

Stock MZ604 (Xoom Wi-Fi) recovery.img

or, am I better way of waiting for the stock SBF, announced to arrive within short?

Also, will this require that I re-root?

Thanks in advance,

arc
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bwcorvus:
Boot into clockworkmod and flash the zip below.

How to get back into recovery: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1041192

File: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18315605/XDA/Framework.zip
[Xoom Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arcadia2uk:
Thanks so much bwcorvus,

I'll d/l the recovery.img at [RECOVERY] ClockworkMod Recovery v3.0.2.5

and....

It worked perfectly, I'm back! I guess that's a mistake I wont do again. I really owe you one, put it on my tab.

arc
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Here are the details of the Nokia/Microsoft partnership

Nokia will deliver mapping, navigation and location based services to the Windows Phone 7 eco system.

Nokia will provide imaging and hardware design expertise, carrier billing connections and receive payments for its intellectual properties.

Nokia will be paying royalties to Microsoft for each Windows Phone 7 device they make, but they’ll receive payments “in the billions” from Microsoft.

A Nokia-branded app store will be built on the Windows Marketplace infrastructure.

Source
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Other than ovi maps (which I've been told is good), can someone honestly explain to me why this is a big deal? Hasn't Nokia not been popular since their candy-bar phones in the late 90's??

I know I had a Nokia 5200 music phone in 2007, and it had some issues but was a great phone. But I just don't get it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I have seen my share of phones (like the same 5200 Nokia which was one of their early attempts to crack into the SE music market) and I personally have always hated the UI. I thought it to be difficult to navigate and unintuitive (I owned a P1, W960i, and Vivaz which admitted are not S^3 devices).

Which point of view do you not understand? Both companies did it as a matter of survival. People will argue about who needed who more but everyone does benefit tremendously:

Nokia - Symbian was dying. Nokia is huge in Asia but lacks significant presence in USA. What Nokia wants out of the deal is a smartphone platform that makes them relevant. They probably believe with their superior telephony and hardware they will be able to jump ahead of the pack.

Microsoft - Windows Phone did not have the wildly successful start that Microsoft would have hoped for. They wanted something that would allow them to pick up more customers.

I am one of those customers that drools about the possibility of a Nokia W8 phone (N8 with Windows on it) or a W7 (E7 with Windows on it). I have always thought the two more balanced phone makers out there were Nokia and SE. Good optics, good battery life, well built phones. SE suffers from too much design reuse and intercompeting phone and Nokia in the past could have made better looking phones, but good phones none the less.

Nokia really needed it. Smartphone sales are a huge chunk of everyone's revenue now and this will give them a promising platform to be part of.

Why Windows as opposed to Android I am not touching with a 10 foot pole. That will go nowhere fast.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Nokia are the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in Europe. They have the biggest brand as well (IMO I can't back that up with any facts but it'd be a widespread opinion).

It's like Motorola or Palm, how big they are in the US. Motorola's "Revival" with Android did wonders for the Android OS. Nokia's with Windows Phone will have a similar or dare I say greater effect.

The ovi store has around 40,000 applications. 3.5m apps are downloaded per day from Ovi Store.

Nokia have always been true innovators, have a look at some of their old models. Dual Sliders with a keypad and media controls (n95), rotating designs, flip designs. They've had it all and will no doubt bring their influence to WP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Nokia really did not do flip all that much; they are best known for their candybar phones from back in the day, but I do agree with you. The N95 was a phone well ahead of its time in terms of features and optics. In my mind Nokia is #1, SE #2 in optics. Samsung and LG had a handful of flagship camera phones, but Nokia and SE put out consistantly good ones in varying priced phones.

Nokia will be a differentiator in the handset choice war. Nokia vs Motorola just like back in the day, except Motorola has been through a long, dark tunnel.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Yeah the flip I was referring to was that one old phone aggess ago. It was quite a brick but it was a phone on the outside and you flip it open and it turned into a laptop (well a mini phone laptop thing).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9110_Communicator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E90_Communicator

The first edition was kinda like a Motorola Atrix for the late 90s

Edit: Also I agree with you on optics, the N95 is the best Camera Phone I've owned to date (and my last Nokia Phone). N8 photos look amazing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
The thing about Nokia for me is build quality........

I had a 3310 "back in the day" and an N95 before my HD2, both those phones had the absolute crap beaten out of them and didnt even suffer as much as a loose battery cover......

Obviously I cant be certain that kind of quality applies to all their phones but in my experience it has been solid and I would seriously consider a Nokia phone running WP7

Oh yeah, as the guy above me mentioned...... camera's......

The N95 camera was awesome. Not that I ever used it much. Im sure some people actually give a crap about that sort of thing though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
I appreciate the replies guys, many thanks.

Interesting takes. I'll be honest, I still don't get it. Nokia phones never really took off, so why would Microsoft make a deal with them? And if Nokia phones were so good, why weren't they best sellers? Bleh, I just asked the same question twice. Nevermind me, I'm in long-weekend mode.

/the Nokia concepts do look pretty tight
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
They did and they were/are.

Nokia phones have always been the most popular, most bought etc. In 2007 Symbian had a smartphone marketshare of 67%. Symbian is still going strong in many European and Asian markets:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/18/smartphone-market-android-win-nokia-rim-lose
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
the Nokia phone's hardware was/is pretty awesome. They were never best sellers because of the software, thus the deal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emuneee:
When I think of Nokia the first thing that comes to mind is hardware not software. Fortunately, the software part is handled by Windows Phone 7. I am very interested in a Nokia WP7 because the build quality will be outstanding and the optics will awesome. Add Mango to the equation and it'll be a hit, hopefully.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
The answer is different depending on the region.

Nokia is big in Africa, Asia (incl India & Pakistan) and other developing nations. I recall reading an article explaining how they have a superior business model in these places.

I admit a little ignorance about Nokia in the last year in the UK but I would figure they still do reasonably well and probably took a hit in their high end offering (N series) and business offering (E series).

The E series for them used to be big. Remember, the E series before the E72 supported BB service and was wildly popular. Fast forward to now, when is the last time you have seen a Nokia smartphone advertise on T-Mobile / Verizon / AT&T? I know I cannot recall.

It cost Microsoft more than it cost Nokia, so Microsoft has more to lose. They both have lots to gain. The only thing I do hope is Nokia does not hoodwink Microsoft (keep developing Symbian, use some of what it learnt from WP7, and then push it out to compete).

But I think lots of people on this board would love to have a Mango Nokia phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I'm curious to see how this Nokia - WP7 marriage will infuence interface and customization.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Good to learn Ovi maps are coming to all WP7 platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Nokia claims they will leave it stock despite having the green light to customize. I bet their thinking that they will have their own Marketplace area where only Nokia phones will be able to get software that will give them the leg up on the competition since they can put out some good stuff.

...until they stumble onto XDA and see people are using their stuff on HTC phones. Then things get ugly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arm_jstp:
Yes, I can assure you Nokia is a strong brand and very famous in Asia. I would prefer Nokia's hardware over Samsung or HTC when Windows Phone 7 is officially available from Nokia.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Nokia is strong not only in Asia and Africa, it's strong in Europe as well. The only part of the world where it isn't is the US.

Also, contrary to a popular media story, they don't have big problems with sales, which are growing (albeit their market share declines because others are growing faster). They have a huge problem with costs, and specifically with huge R&D costs which are killing their bottom line. Symbian is doing rather well on mid- and low-end smartphones, but they long ago needed something else for the high end. They started development there but the costs are prohibitive. That's exactly what HP will find out in a year or two.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
HP won't have those issues because WebOS does not have the issues that Symbian has. WebOS is a decent, modern OS right now. Symbian is just an aging OS that they continued to throw features in year after year. In the end, it can do almost anything, but it's a train wreck to use, and it's ugly - point blank.

Also, HP makes a ton of money in the PC Hardware/Printer business and can easily fund WebOS development. They also have their own Mainframe UNIX OS (HP-UX) and they sell that hardware as well. Funding Palm will not be a problem for HP, just as Funding Visual Studio/WP7 isn't an issue for Microsoft, or funding Solaris won't be an issue for Oracle...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It's not like Nokia doesn't have cash. It just costs too much to develop and maintain an OS if you aren't a software company. With multiple OEMs costs are spread, while when you go it alone you assume 100%. So you have to either make super profitable devices like Apple or to make dozens of them to make sure you sell lots and lots. HP is flushing money down the toilet, and they'll waste more over the years.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Nokia has been developing and maintaining Symbian for decades. They're as much a Software company as Palm was.

And the reason why their phones don't sell here is only half in fault of Symbian. In addition to having an OS they neglected to work on crap like Maemo/MeeGo/etc. they also used ridiculously cheap internals, put them in a nice build quality, and thought people here (many of us with money to spare) would buy that ****.

Who wants to buy an N8 with a crappy nHD screen resolution, Symbian, terrible processor, lacking in RAM, etc. for $600+ when they can get an iPhone or Android device with twice the specs and much more to offer? Cause the camera is good? Lol. Oh, it's cause Nokia build quality is awesome, even though maybe 75% of people put their smartphones in a case, anyways...

It has nothing to do with that. Nokia did what Microsoft did with Windows Mobile and they got plowed. That's what the issue is. Cost is not a factor, although developing a new OS from scratch MAY be. But nothing was stopping Nokia from revamping the Symbian UI and boosting their smartphone specs up (and using higher res screens). While cost may be a factor now, Symbian's "demise" wasn't instant. It happened over years-worth of time and if Nokia had been doing what they should have (just like Microsoft with Windows Mobile) they would not be in this situation today.

Microsoft basically took Windows CE and put a new user experience on top of it then called it Windows Phone 7. Nokia could have done the same with Symbian.

But to say that HP will have troubles with WebOS is what I really took notice of. It's a bit of a Naive statement to make.

People will probably even buy HP printers to get the WebOS tablets that come attached to them, Lol...

Now, an interesting tidbit is that every major smartphone OS that is developed for a manufacturer's own device seems to be packaged in terrible hardware (as in the internals/specs) - except Apple. Nokia, RIM, and Palm all have/had terrible internals in their phone. Even if in some cases the software was completely awesome (WebOS). Even then, Apple makes several concessions in their products to keep margins up (iPad 2/iTouch cameras, no HSPA+ in the iPhone, going from PowerPC to Intel on the Desktop, etc.).
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Nokia hardware may be a nice push because - honestly - WP7 devices are not really attractive, and their camera/video abilities are much below todays standard.

I never really liked Nokia phones though even with their good hardware.

The best industry design IMO is still SonyEricsson.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The reason for this is very simple. Everyone except Apple makes commodity phones that last for a few months, quickly falling in terms of price and sales numbers afterwards. Apple sells iPhones to operators at $600 or some such ridiculous price. A couple years ago I read a statement from HTC quoting their average selling price as something below $300 (and that was very good). They are pure price takers, and simply can't sell phones at a price higher than the market pays. So they have to squeeze everything - software and hardware - into the price tag. The more they spend on software, the more they must save on hardware. That's what you see happening. HP can't change anything about it.

In essence, what happens is this: commodity phones have limited market per model - basically 90% of them sell in numbers fewer than 1 million per year. This means that if an OEM wants to move 10 million units they need 10 models. There are random hits sometimes, but still the pattern remains the same. Moreover, with intensifying competition, CPU clock speed and number of cores race, shortening product lifecycle, this means that, unlike 2007, you now don't even have a full year to realize all model sales, they will quickly decline even for you flagship products. So you need to introduce more phones or lose the market. In order to introduce new phones you need to spit them out faster and faster and make them cheaper. If you have an OS to develop, you get yourself in a trap. Your development costs will be rising each year, killing whatever bottom line progress you are making, while unit price will feel continuous downward price pressure.

Sure you can hope to differentiate yourself so much as to break the trend and become another Apple, but that's too risky (and won't work). No operator in the US will buy a Palm device at $600, subsidizing $400+. And there's no freakin' chance you'll be able to sell those Palm phones at $800 unsibsidized in huge volumes. So they'll do what all other OEMs do - design phones so that they fit in the $300 bracket. And, unlike HTC, this price will have to recover their OS development costs, too.

They lost already. Naive is thinking that since WebOS is allegedly great it'll have huge success. I would seriously consider this idea if you could point to an upcoming HP phone that would become a category killer. There simply aren't phones like that coming.

Oh, and Nokia may be an even bigger software company than Palm. Still not big enough. That's why they both lost, and HP will, too. They'll never be able to maintain necessary scale of business to make it profitable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Nokia took over symbian in 2004. Look at it now.

Nokia doesn't make CDMA phones, will that change?

I loved the Nokia communicator in the James Bond movie.

I see a ton of cheap phones coming.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It would be utterly strange if it didn't. How else would they sell stuff in the US, which they seem so eager to do.

Tell me something new. :) There will be a lot of crap phones coming. Actually, most phones coming will be crap. Not just from Nokia though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
A lot of their phones are good. They just need to stop spending time and money on making crappy software and focus on what they do best - design. Use better materials and dyes instead of those laggy shells.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/03/22/nokia-no-symbian-cdma-handsets-wait-until-windows-phone/
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Here is what Verizon CTO suggested when the news of Microsoft+Nokia broke out back in February, 2011

http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-cto-we-dont-need-nokia-microsoft-phones-2011-2
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
lqaddict, wasn't that same guy bashing the iPhone a couple of years ago?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I honestly do not know if he directly addressed Apple, but he had quite a few words for back then AT&T exclusive deal, and AT&T's overall network performance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I approve of this message!

When Mr. Elop suggested that from now Nokia will play a substantial part in the "three horse race" (WP7, iOS, and Android) he forgot one little thing, his carriage will have to compete with at least 5 other OEM's within the major 3 mobile OS's race.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Either way, the guy was blunt, but didn't actually say anything serious. Nokia has neglected Verizon for decades. Nokia doesn't have any phones for Verizon and won't have for at least a year. WP7 is an inconsequential small player roughly the size of WebOS. Of course Verizon doesn't "need" this partnership. Why would they? They have their problems but lack of phone isn't one of them.

What does this mean for MS and Nokia? Little to nothing actually. It doesn't mean that Verizon won't sell phones made by Nokia if they are compelling enough and come at the right price.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Europe and Asia are bigger markets than the US for mobile phones, Much Bigger.

Stop thinking your country is the only one around, the Nokia deal will bring Windows Phone to the masses in Europe and Asia. This isn't aimed at just the person I'm about to quote, it's aimed at all Americans who dismiss the Nokia deal just because Nokia isn't big in the U.S.

You do realise that not only are the EU not representative of most consumers but that they also moan about pretty much anything and everything? Apple we sued a few years ago by the EU because their advertisements sped up loading times and the EU claimed it lead everyone to believe loading times were instant. As a result, the ads had to be pulled and were only allowed back on TV when they had a disclaimer at the bottom staging that speeds are network dependant, and simulated in the ad.

Again not true, have you ever stopped to think this is because, as an American, you only see American centric promotions? There are plenty Xbox promotions, advertisements etc etc in the UK and most probably France, Germany, Spain and other big European countries.

Bing Maps is also fine in big European Countries (and I would assume the Asian ones aswell) It's the littler ones that have problems.

A year late? A year late with what? They've been using Symbian for the past God knows how many years and in Europe Symbian had the biggest market share up to 2010. Even in 2011 most European Countries still have symbian with the biggest market share, in the UK it's been surpassed by Android.

They've signed the deal because Symbian marketshare is starting to drop. Much like Windows Mobile. It had it's plus sides but things like Android and iOS are much more user friendly. They also have more apps.

You know, Microsoft have been trying for as long as I remember to get Nokia on board with Windows Mobile. They tried repeatedly back around the N75/N90 to persuade Nokia to part with Symbian and use Windows Mobile. Microsoft aren't stupid they're not going to go through all that effort for something that isn't going to bring them benefit.

Not only does the N8 have a 12 megapixel camera that is far more than what's on most American phones. The Carl Zeiss optics are second to none (for phones). Nokia phones consistently produce the best looking photos. The N95 a phone from 4 years ago would beat any HTC handset hands down in terms of Camera quality.

Infact, I'd be willing to bet the 3.2 megapixel camera on the Nokia N73 (2006) can produce better photos than the 5 megapixel camera on the HD7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You would bet right. HTC uses some terrible camera optics. Megapixels is size of pixels and not quality and I have used quite a few Nokias in my lifetime (N95, N81, E72). Heck, the popular 6230 had a pretty decent camera.

N8ter - The comment you made about buying a $600 Nokia N8 actually does not apply in the USA. You know where most people get their phones from in the US? Their provider. In an effort not to be to long-winded with examples, unlocked phone selling and buying in most places outside the US is quite large. Chinese phones with loud speakers and analog TV, dual sim phones, etc. Something goes wrong between Nokia and the carriers in the USA that prevents them from doing well (Nokia and no CDMA phones, not attractive to carriers maybe because of little demand)

I also do not agree the Nokia has cheap internals. Somewhere in the Android/iPhone world people got all caught up in Gigahertz. Palm Pre = 600MHz (I know the Pre 2 is 1 GHz but the Pre sure does not run poorly). BB = 600MHz. I am not an expert on each OS and which is more efficient but I do know in the coding world when you provide excess people will code in excess. Look at the specs of modern home use desktops now: Dual core cpu, 2GB ram, 500GB hdd. Look how many programs cannot fit on a CD now - Windows, MS Office 2007+, heck even most motherboard "CDs" come on DVDs now. I cannot stand Symbian but it does not run poorly on the slow cpus Nokia puts in there. I agree about the screen resolution but I bet that will not be the case with their Win Phone. And I hear some good things about their Clear Black technology.

Finally, there is strength in numbers. Of course the arrangement will work. I am not calling it to be wildly successful as I am not psychic, but Microsoft will boast more handset sales with WP7 and Nokia will boast more smartphone sales.

What Nokia needs to do is work with Big Red on that flagship CDMA phone (you would figure it cannot be a W8 since that number is one-upping the others but who knows what MS will let em do) with a 12MP camera.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
The N95 really was something wasn't it <3

I remember my N-Gage I used to think that was the coolest thing ever :D

I've had a 3330, N-Gage, N70, N73 and N95 (and N95 8GB but let's not count that) :P