[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
So if Nokia puts a 600MHz, AMOLED, BT 3.0, 32GB Internal, 12MP camera phone out with Symbian on it they must charge less because it has Symbian on it? That is good reasoning? Yes Symbian is crap, but I mentioned this point before. You are confusing the issues - what you value the phone at and what the value is based on costs + markup. The problem we keep getting to is you are extending your opinions and values onto everything.

The Atrix is nice. No dispute there. You are wrong by saying the N8 costs more than the Atrix. On the unlocked market the Atrix goes from around $600+ while the N8 is $400.

And the iPad 2 has laughable cameras. Every manufacturer cuts corners to make a phone fit into a particular price point. Vertu (Nokia's high end segment) does not because their phones are excess in materials and cater to the rich. Does not matter if the consumer needs BT 3.0 or not (which is your opinion), those are internal components that drive up costs. The N8 has a premium case, 12MP camera with Xenon Flash, and bigger screen vs the Samsung 1GHz cpu, more ram/rom (we really nitpicking a +300mAh battery in costs?). The casing, screen size, and a 12MP +Xenon module do not come cheap. Neither does a 1GHz cpu. But the N8 is still cheaper.

I am yet to see a new, unlocked iPhone 4 for $500. Last time I did a guy was trying to scam me.

You keep going here. So because X sells more than Y that means Y should never be more expensive? Sound logic?

And that reason is because they are overpriced? You illustrated that? So why do they have tremendous market share elsewhere? If they had none everywhere you would have a point. All you have pointed out is geographical differences - Americans do not demand their phones.

All I can say to this is wow. Amazon is no good as a price check because most people you know won't buy there. So instead you quote from Nokia.com and their MSRP. Wow.

To be honest I am starting to tune out. So you are now quoting subsidized pricing and Craig's List? I took a benchmark and a meaningful one in Amazon and compared two phone sold on the site.

No N8ter, that is what you think and it seems nothing, not even concrete pricing information is going to change your mind. The only point to my posts right now is so someone else reading this thread will see actual pricing and come to a more informed conclusion. Not just your conclusion.

They are in the same position as BB, yet they are #1 in worldwide marketshare? They sit on enormous intellectual property and they are moving forward to correct their smartphone ills? I guess you prefer Baltic over Boardwalk in Monopoly too?

I wonder where you pulled that wildly generalized statement from? Something tells me not from up top.

Which Nokia phone? Cuz now BBs are overpriced. The Torch is $500 on the unlocked market. compare that to the N8 and that is apparent.

To be honest, this whole discussion has just gone crazy because instead of giving and taking, there is just take.

Valid points: Symbian is crap. Screen Resolutions are crap. CPU is crap.

And it pretty much ends there. Alot of what was said about pricing is not correct. Nokia phones have a good reputation for build quality, durability, and reliability. How does a manfacturer achieve that with crappy internals? They must be magicians. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong. It is okay to be wrong sometimes. I have been countless times.