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[Atrix 4G General] bongd:
I think there just isn't enough demand. I technically have both devices now and I'd just says to ask the devs for help anytime a new tool or script is released.

We have enough technical guys with Bell Atrix's that most projects port over quite well now. And if there's something for the AT&T Atrix that isn't available for the Bell, I'll be sure to work with the devs and offer my expertise. After I fix this AT&T Atrix it'll be sold and the Bell one will be my primary device.
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
+1

Bell does not have the download speed cap which despite me living in Canada is why I got the Bell version instead of the at&t.

The main mods that I have seen are:

Root via gladroot

Freeze bell bloat (there is a link in the at&t freezing thread to a site that has the bell "safe list")

Deodex the bell file system

Install theme (I think there is only one so far)

We now have an sbf that we can Probably flash to in case of soft bricks but I'm waiting for a bit more confirmation and feedback.

That's my Bell how to:-)

Sent from my rooted and frozen Bell MB860!
[Atrix 4G General] y2whisper:
there is now download speed cap. there is a problem with upload speed that effects us all. Looks like an AT&T fix is potentially around the corner (that or their 2nd update in general)
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
I still get 4500k down, 400k up.

Sent from my rooted and frozen Bell MB860!
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Wait I missed that, we have a reliable sbf now? This is kinda huge if it's true.

I thought we had to wait till the first OTA before one would surface?...
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
You can't really say "if" as it's right there under the dev thread...
[Atrix 4G General] Greenbelt:
Does a bell SBF release mean we will get gingerblur?
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
It. IS NOT a Bell SBF, it is an Australian release that seems to work on bell phones. This is all very new so I'm just patiently keeping up with the development threads. The general consensus is to wait until the new sbf is rooted so you can baçk up the current bell version via Titanium and CWM then flash it, root, and then be able to restore the bell version if needed. We can't do this until the Aussie sbf is rooted. But it does seem, at least, to give us an option.

Hope that helps.

Sent from my rooted and frozen Bell MB860!
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
We already have a gingerbread theme, check the development threads. You need to deodex first, but there is no reliable way to return to the bell sbf ...yet, so you might want to wait to play it safe ... or not;)

Sent from my rooted and frozen Bell MB860!
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
A Telstra SBF has been released to give all of us Bell Canada Atrix owners a lifeline... Its not perfect, but its a way to unbrick your device if you do happen to kill it.. :D
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
Option 1: keep Bell:

Root with gladroot or gingerbreak.

Install Titanium Backup and backup.

Install CWM and full backup.

Deodex bell file system.

Install Gingerbread or Honeycomb theme.

Flash telstra Radio only.

Install webtop via HDMI mod.

Freeze safelist of system apps.....

And one sweet phone after;)

Option 2: flash telstra sbf:

Root bell with gladroot or gingerbreak.

Install TiBa and backup.

Install CWM and backup.

Flash telstra sbf.

Regain root with seven's script (gingerbreak).

Deodex telstra filesystem.

Install gingerbread theme (or others as they become available.

Install webtop via HDMI.

Freeze or delete safelist of system apps.

I hope this helps someone, I haven't figured out how to put links from my phone su you will have to search. Read all instructions carefully!

Feel free to edit or add to these lists.

Happy Modding:)

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G General] frankiedizzle87:
I feel bad foe y'all :-(
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
Awww, frankie dizzle, dont feel bad:) we have most of what you atters do.

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G General] seven2099:
You did not mention that the nandroid backup of Stock is not safe at all as you don't really know that flashing 1.4.2 modem and keeping the stock rom itself is OTA safe. A lot of people really think a Nandroid backup is a full backup but its not.. As per NFHimself: Nandroid is like backing up your "Program Files" but not all of your windows installation. Therefore once you mod, thats it.

Another thing you failed to mention is that with 1.4.2 you get GingerBlur or GreyBlur to work on your phone. and that.... is one sweet phone.

Also, 1.4.2 offers significant performance increase, I have personally noticed much better battery life and with GingerBlur/Greyblur you get SD card performance increase even further..

1.4.2 can also be applied to a big list of international models, so people from Korea, Brazil, Argentina..etc can have access to the US ATT work.

Since staying on stock and modding things is literally just as unsafe as flashing 1.4.2.. :) I sir, advocate people flashing and enjoying 1.4.2 to the fullest.
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
Sev, check the date, it was from before you found the compatibilities with with other themes:-)

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
And it looks like we may not need a separate section after all, or perhaps an "everything but at&t" section?

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Not trying to troll, but why is it that the Motorola Droid 2 forum has a "Regular section" and a "Droid 2 Global section"?

IMO having a "Bell section" would be just as helpful...
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Isn't there anything that can be done about this?... :confused:

Galaxy S alone has these forums all to themselves:

AT&T Captivate

Android T-Mobile Vibrant

Android Sprint Epic 4G

Android Verizon Fascinate

Android Samsung Galaxy S I9000
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
I would like to have a Bell forum as well, even better if Bell acknowledged the Atrix existed in some form of support or updates.

I read here that there may actually be a Bell update. See the sbf thread in my sig if you want help getting your phone back to near stock from Telstra 1.42.

(I tried the Telstra sbf, but I missed the Music player (which needs Bell certs, otherwise I would just install the apk) and I had issues with my gameloft purchases, download list disappearing because it thought I had a different phone, android market not showing all my purchases there, random reboots. And lest I forget the nastiness of Gingerbreak zapping your internal memory to root (not clearing, not formatting, zapping. You must reformat internal memory or experience random issues with re-downloading the gigs of game data you have, to have it disappear and have to do it again), having no way to temp root via early usb enumeration since psneuter doesn't work and su root access is limited to android, not linux, ) but I digress.. lol

I will get around to recompiling su so it doesn't use a whitelist for linux access, but that is annoying. Ex. say you are in linux, android is not running, you just unmounted /data, oops your whitelist is gone, so sad, too bad, you are stuck and what you are doing is half done. End rant.​

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] QkSi1ver:
In for a BELL Atrix related mods...

Im about to get the Atrix over the HTC Incredible S... just because of the rooting capabilities and hopefully someday the unlocked boot loader...

However, like other new owners i'm having a bit of the problem understanding which mods/theme /sbf are safe for BELL Atrix's

I've read a bunch of threads scattered all over the place and somehow trying to add the pieces of the puzzles... like:

1. Need Bell original SBF in case something goes wrong and we can restore it to factory defaults. So far, there are no such SBF yet but only a compatible telstra SBF which no one knows if an official Update comes from BELL, will allow it to be updatable OTA

2. If i just need root, I can just run the gladroot or aroot ( these the 2 recommended methods to work with BELL right).

3. I can use the TiBackUp to freeze apps from the safelist . This should speed up the phone from using the motoblur crap

Would be great to have some updated info on the 1st thread... to gather those pieces of info for new comers :P like me...

so +1 for such a thread... D_One i like the way you've explained the options available to BELL owners... it makes it simple to understand... Mind take this challenge up :P

Thanks all for all the great work!
[Atrix 4G General] spuzzum:
dido on bell section.
[Atrix 4G General] D_one:
The thing is, really we shouldn't have a separate section for Bell, rather we should have separate section for at&t. If you look at seven's work, at&t are the ones that are only able to flash their own sbfs and not others, while bell and all other atrix versions can flash each others sbfs. That said when I have time I will redo the lists I made with updated options and links. There are two schools of thought; basically, if you are not overly concerned about warranty, use sevens method and flash a new non bell sbf. If you really want to be able to return to stock bell, just root deodex and theme. A few things to keep in mind: when a bell update is released, you will/should be able to flash it to regain your warranty. Also, NFHimself has successfully used a dd command to return to bell version, though there is no good tutorial on that yet. As per my siggy I'm still on stock but updated my radio, should they decide to check that would probably void my warranty but I just couldn't live with speed caps, I will likely go ahead and use seven's method soon, but that's me:-P

Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
[Atrix 4G General] dillfever:
must also agree on a bell section, would be a big asset to us bell users....
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Not only that but with all the custom ROMs around, people can brick their phones since AT&T and Bell are two completely different phones...
[Atrix 4G General] Zero-K:
That's about where 90% of the questions and problems come from. Users who don't know what they're doing go into a thread, only read part of it and then and start flashing things to their phone. Next thing you know there's another 3-4 threads of "how do I fix" topics because they didn't know the AT&T and Bell/World phones are different.

Not sure if it's better to have Bell/Other in their own, or AT&T in their own, but it needs to be broken up somehow.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
We need at least a sticky already!

The i9000 forum has a sticky for EVERYTHING! (Including Bell i9000M phones)

I'm getting ****ing tired of somebody posting a new tread with the word "update" just to find that it's AT&T related... :mad:
[Atrix 4G General] Mr. Clown:
I can do the magic ;). So what do you want?. I think it's too soon and also we still don't have a huge load of requests for a bell atrix subforum. In the meantime, we can manage it through sticky as you state.

PM me about it.

Thanks,
[Atrix 4G General] neodoru:
+1 for the section.
[Atrix 4G General] bimmerboii:
+1
[Atrix 4G General] stumpy_002:
+1 for Bell Atrix section, even though I'm running the att firmware on mine, I would like to know when something is actually gonna happen with Bell.
[Atrix 4G General] Mr. Clown:
I'm going to post this here also, since I PM ccrows with an idea.

What I was thinking is doing a mandatory thread naming system in the dev forum where roms, mods and other stuff be specifically differenciate by brand (ATRIX and ATT). For example:

[ROM][ATRIX BELL] Gingerbread 2.3.3.3

[MOD]ATT ATRIX]

[BOOTLOADER ATRIX Bell and ATT]

(It can be improved, if you have a better idea)

In general forum, we can have threads only dedicated to atrix bell and att.

All of these can make the forum a liitle more organized, don't you think?. Also, this will guide members to post and read in their specific threads.

About the current threads posted in dev, I will need the help of someone that can point me out which ones are exlcusively for the atrix and att and I can edit the tittles.

Tell me what do you think?.

Cheers,
[Atrix 4G General] fernandodistinto:
I think that's a good idea. Nevertheless, Atrix will start to be sold in more countries and operators... for example, It's already available on telcel in mexico, argentina ... AFAIK, here in my country Atrix will begin to be sold starting july by Comcel AKA Telcel/AmericaMóvil -I bought mine online, it's an AT&T Atrix-... so the thread title idea is good, but it may be need to be reevaluated since new operators may start to sell the phone...

Anyways, I guess all the devs can be more careful when posting developments, clearing up in wich carriers have been tested and working...
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
Honestly, I have no problem complying with that kind of titling system, but I think you'd be herding cats for the general populous. I mean it's organized and it makes sense, that's why it won't work.

One thing that would help is some mention of Bell threads in the main sticky posts. (For the few that read them :))

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] TheSmokingAndroid:
+1 for sticky
[Atrix 4G General] nutzuTo:
+1 here to,i have a bell atrix on fido network and i want to root it and customize it,i'm new on android:)
[Atrix 4G General] asteroidboy:
I agree that we need a Bell Atrix forum. That said, and for what it's worth, several Atrix users where I live who are on Bell say that a Gingerbread upgrade is coming from Motorola withina week or two, given that they have it preinstalled on a new Japanese droid phone they recently released.
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
Its genetal atrix: bell, latam, att, worldly

Of you guys want only for bell, mods also need to create like 7 sub forums to each version of atrix

Lets stay the way it is, and if, your mod is for bell or att or latam only, post in it, but we cant separate atrix by carrier, since the phone is the same to all
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Right now the 2 most used ones are AT&T and Bell.

That's what's causing a lot of confusion - especially with generic noob thread titles. Which is screwing things up for searches, or causing duplicate threads.

Both phones are completely different and half the mods out there will work for only one or the other. Which is another reason why I personally think we would benefit in getting things organized... :)
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I think the OTA is gonna be a little longer than that... ;)
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
at this point is isn't really necessary to have a bell-specific forum, particularly due to unlocked bootloader for both international and AT&T users, allowing us to use all the same firmwares

just my 0.02
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
IDK I'm growing tired of generic title threads where you open it up and it says _____ users only in the OP....
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
yeah, any of them that say that now aren't true though, since any ROMs based off AT&T can be run by absolutely everyone with unlocked BL, provided they use a compatible international kernel (faux's, edgan's)
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
+1. No reason to divide up the community. In the past it was probably needed, but now everyone can flash everyone else's stuff.
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
I don't know, unless someone is developing using your phone it's always going to be more bug prone, it's a job keeping things straight with one firmware, let alone several. The divisions as such are from having so many firmwares rather than belonging to one carrier or another. I think instead of having rom's we should have modules.

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] W3BSurfer:
+1

Either setup an AT&T ATRIX and INTERNATIONAL ATRIX which would include Bell etc..

It is a hassle having to sift thru tons of AT&T themes/mods/roms and also some guides have a mix of both. I practically had to bookmark each thread as to not have to go thru that whole search process. It took me almost 12hrs of combined reading and flashing and searching when all I actually had to do was follow NF's guide. Also lack of guides being stickied. It's so goddamn disorganized.

Like I mentioned before when I flashed my buddies X10 it was a breeze. All roms/themes/guides where stickied. Simple as that.

Also not all Devs include a note stating that either this works for Bell or Atrix only. Thus a fair amount of soft bricking occurs. Learned that when flashed BlueMyst theme and realized that the Dev did not state that it only works for AT&T.

Please don't assume that just cuz international SBF works for Bell that every Bell Atrix users would jump in it.

I don't understand why there are many versions if the Atrix and ONLY AT&T Atrix is recognized. Wat a joke!

--=[ Sent from my Bell Motorola At®ix ]=-
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Because AT&T Atrix had the bootloader unlocked first...

And maybe before you flash stuff, shouldn't you ask if it's compatible or not if you're not sure?

User error does not dictate another section.

I thought that all of our phones are the same exact phone though? As in,I can flash CheryBlur, I'll be on the ORFR build. So why couldn't someone with an Orange, Bell, or whatever flash an AT&T build?

I still don't believe it's necessary. It will just split the community. And what happens when Bell users get their own section? Will Orange get theirs? I think it's fine the way it is, and since we all have unlocked bootloaders, shouldn't matter anymore. This topic was made when we had Tenfar's CWM, and we were limited by our firmwares. That isn't the case any longer. And if you don't have an unlocked bootloader, and are pushing for this, then unlock yours already!
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
I have heard that phrase quite a lot since I got here, "split the community". What does that mean? So long as there are alternative firmwares out there, there will be people using them, what is going to "merge the community"? Who is going to dictate who does what? Perhaps what you are advocating is an ATT only forum. Everyone on the same firmware, using the same themes, sounds boring to me. :)

Other than that, if I have a carrier specific version of GB to use on my phone, what makes using a French one so desirable? Maybe there are people who are not as interested in ATT themes to dictate what firmware they want to use.

The problem for international/Bell users is that there are more ATT folks using the forums. Post one thing specific to Bell or anything else, come back the next day and it's on page 10, with the first 9 being half a dozen stickies, a bunch of things off topic and over a dozen resurrected posts from January. lol :)

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
I'd rather have us free from all carrier branding on our phones :p Look at any other forum (Captivate, Inspire, most others) and they don't have carrier specific forums. Only one I've seen was the Nexus S, but that's warranted because the devices are different.

But my question remains, why can't Bell users flash something from AT&T, Orange, T-Mobile UK, or even the HKTW build?

I'm advocating us moving away from being bound by carriers any more than we already are.
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
Hi,

Some do, some will, some won't, who cares? You can advocate all you want, I advocate not resurrecting old obsolete threads in dev, doesn't mean it's not going to happen. :)

Put it this way, in what world will ALL ATT users use the Orange GB firmware? Are they dividing the community as well? What will make them do so when there is an official ATT GB firmware?

It's all moot anyway, you get what the devs put out, if they are so inclined, it's just a hobby, not a job. :)

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Sorry, but this is in general isnt it? And I wasn't the one who ressed it either :p and I'm saying if people didn't make carrier specific roms we wouldn't be having this discussion
[Atrix 4G General] Patutz:
i have a bell when i first boight it. . i unlocked it and after unlocking i used the gingerbread for orange the orfr. .now im on ninjarom for at&t only. but still i can use it but the only problem is the ram. .i only have 100mba of ram. . so i think theres no need for split community cause you can rn anything if you got a unlocked bootloader.the bad thing about that is you need to wait for fixes always since evry rom or modding that their doing the at&t got the priorities followed by bell or international :)
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
Absolutely, I agree, there wouldn't be any. :)

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] W3BSurfer:
And shouldnt the dev be mentioning on the thread in regards to which carrier it works on or not? Oh yea i forgot, the moderator does not ENFORCE any of the devs to put that on there nor are they responsible if i brick my device. Should i start flaming the dev for being an idiot then?

User error? Perhaps Devs should completely stop adding " Only works for Bell/AT&T/UK etc.. " on the thread and hopefully we all dont suffer a soft brick or a hard brick. Then you have 20 pages of the same questions asking wether it works for Bell or AT&T..progress?

Unfortunately, it still exists that some sbf/mod/theme only works for specific carrier. Guarantee me as a user that if i flash an AT&T theme/mod/sbf will not brick my bell device? nor i get stuck in a loop or fc?

I could go on and on bout this sh it son...

After all, it's not like you will come out of your way to refund our broken Atrix?
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Sorry, but I don't see why I would have to pay for your device that you brick. Again, if you're flashing something you're not sure about, its your fault. Not the Dev. and I can't assure anything. But I can assure you that you can flash an AT&T firmware and use the themes.

Also, last I checked, the devs don't owe you anything. They give us these themes and roms for free. If you can't be bothered to ask if your firmware is supported, you shouldn't be flashing needlessly.
[Atrix 4G General] Patutz:
+1 to this..

we can flash any at&t stuff with our bell just unlock youre unit. .and i think we guys should be thankful to the developers without them i think were still stuck at bell :)
[Atrix 4G General] NFHimself:
Hi,

I am unlocked already using Bell GB firmware, works great. I am grateful to the Bell users that searched for it and found it, and for the hard work of ATT folks to find an unlocked bootloader for us.

I should probably not participate in this thread, I am one of, if not practically the only, non ATT developers so it's like I am asking for my own forum. :)

Cheers!
[Atrix 4G General] Micma:
Well if you won't ask for it, I will. I feel we Bell folks need it.

When i arrived here about a month ago after getting my Bell Atrix, I looked at the threads, picked up some tools, files, roms, and when I thought I had what was needed I allmost flashed my phone when I saw a little warning about bricking phones.

Since I'm not financially freedom, I cannot take the risk of hard bricking my phone. I don't know who to trust and searching for Bell related threads is cumbersome.

Please mods, we need a little organization here, either subforums or stickies...
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
You won't hard brick from flashing other device's files.

That was a month ago where there were incompatibilities. This is now. Sub-forums aren't needed. Maybe a collective dev topic or something, but a whole sub-forum is useless and adds clutter, because as NF said himself, he's one of the few devs that own a bell atrix.

Can a mod close this or something? This is an old topic that was needed, but no longer.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
+1

Agree... :)
[Atrix 4G General] guitar_east:
+1 vote for me