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[Xoom General] FrayAdjacent:
I was thinking about getting a Xoom, but $600 for the WiFi only version was a hard sell. Then I heard about the Acer Iconia A500 releasing this weekend, so I ordered one from Best Buy. Then I heard about the Transformer. I know I'd heard about it before...

Did a little reading around, and I canceled the order for the Acer tablet. Then last night I saw that Asus announced the Transformer will be released in the US on the 26th. I'm definitely going to order one. Since I wanted to get a BT keyboard to use with whatever tablet I get, I'm going to go ahead and order the base with it. For $550, it will make the whole setup a ton more usable to me. A tablet and netbook in one!
[Xoom General] Old MuckenMire:
I'm not selling my Xoom but I may very well buy the Transformer. The Xoom screen keeps me from making it my perfect tablet. I'll also be buying the Samsung 10.1...and so on...

the first one that gravitates to being my everyday tablet will be the one I keep, eventually I'll sell the rest.

if the Xoom had a more saturated, less washed out looking screen, I would be happy already...but I'm left wanting so I flirt with other tablets. The screen is one of the most important aspects of a tablet imo and I want the best experience in that regard.
[Xoom General] MikeyMike01:
Theres a monumental difference between ASUS and Acer... :D

One makes Walmart Special crap, and the other makes high end motherboards and such.

Sent from my Captivate
[Xoom General] LordLugard:
I'm as ugly as fcuk but my mother still loves me. I don't get your point. I'll stick with the ugly and enjoy my $200 savings.

Upgrades...really? Where is your 4g upgrade, where is your official SD card upgrade? A frigging official SD card upgrade is taking this long?

Hate something for a valid reason rather than to make you feel good about something else flawed that you spent a lot more moolah on.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
Funny, I was admiring my Xooms screen this morning while dropping the boys off at the pool. It really is very nice and I don't get this huge problem with it (Maybe I got a good one?).
[Xoom General] Eclair~:
It isn't a super horrible omg I don't want this anymore screen, but it falls behind the Transfomer, iPad 2, and even the original iPad.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
People pay for aesthetics and that device is ugly. And if you think this is the last honeycomb update you're out of it. The updates will not roll out as fast. 3.1 or 3.2 will hit xoom before transformer every time
[Xoom General] wang1404:
Still not vanilla stock lol. Plus asus is pretty new to the game. Motorola has been on track updating its phone regularly. Well for the high end devices at least
[Xoom General] gogol:
So what if it is not vanilla stock as long as it gets updated. How long do you wait to get SD card update?
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
Just saying that its not TouchWiz or something. They're not going to have to add tons of stuff to push an update...
[Xoom General] LordLugard:
The Xoom looks uglier to me. So what...?!! I'll take my $200 savings anyday and wait for my updates. So what...

Like i asked, where is the Xoom's 4g update/upgrade and official SD update from Motorola?? Oh yeah, it's coming..
[Xoom General] moe3754:
I just got my Xoom Wifi and could not be happier with it, as for the SD card it is not like it has a small internal memory, 32Gb is more than enough for now and when they do release the update then that will be fine with me. I think that the only pad that could stear me away from the Xoom is the Toshiba tab, but from what I hear they have messed around with the honeycomb os so much I may take a pass. I will stick with the Xoom, there is nothing out or even soon to be released that I doubt will be better.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Its so funny hearing people complain about 4G and SD card, because its their only argument. 1st the 4G isn't a software push, does the TF even have 4G? 2nd the xoom has been out exactly 2 months today and we've already had 1 software push with another one coming soon, so you think the TF will be getting updates faster then this, go ahead and live your life then. Until they actually have a Google tablet or nexus tab the xoom will always be the 1st to get the next honeycomb software bump, your confusing Google's updates with Motorola's and actually moto isn't doing bad.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
If you already own a Xoom the differences are too marginal to change. Now a year from now may be totally different. Quad core, thin and light, Honeycomb 3.1, there will be very good reasons to change.
[Xoom General] davidsos:
Try it before you leap. The recent Transformer reviews that I've read bring up build qualify issues and software bugs. Do you want to wait for Asus and the hacking community to catch up? I think Motorola has more experience in software development and mobile devices than Asus, which matters to me. The IPS display and USB host port would be nice but considering the whole package I got a wifi Xoom the other day and will not look back. Good luck with whatever choice you make and enjoy the new toy.
[Xoom General] wasya152:
The transformer makes the xoom look like a 8'' tablet. That bassel is huge. I really like that the xoom is small and mobile. I recently went on vacation to Mexico and the xoom didn't leave leave my side. Everything I could need was at the palm of my hand; books, music, video, web, games, camera, tv etc. It was really great. I really understood the benefits of a tablet. The battery is awesome too.

But you can't go wrong with either one
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
$200 isn't very marginal to me.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
Wouldn't you loose the 200 by selling your xoom?
[Xoom General] zeddock:
May sound stupid but my reason to look at the asus is because threw keyboard looks to have a mouse pad built in.

I could not get a mouse to work on Xoom and must have it for some work stuff.

I may be wrong but trying to offer another viewpoint.

Zeddock
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
I can still return mine. And even if I couldn't I wouldn't lose $200 lol.

I'm just looking at this from the eyes of someone looking for an initial purchase. $200 is a big deal.
[Xoom General] Izvid:
All I can say is the differences of these two tablets are not that huge that you need to exchange your xoom for a epad all that matters is what you want in a tablet and how we can keep supporting the android world

That's my thoughts anyways
[Xoom General] Blackcobra95:
If the transformer and zoom would had have the same launch date I would've went transformer and ran with the savings. The zoom is the better looking product but with the transformer and a few customized home screens/wallpaper, I could probably get a lot more people focused on whats on the screen rather than the underwhelming appearance of the tab itself.

A lot of people that see me with my xoom and after showing what it can do are interested but are turned off by the price. This even after telling them they can get the wifi only for $600.

At the starting price of 400 for the transformer and after showing people what that can do, a lot of them say it can replace their laptop/netbook with it, use it as a netbook, and use it as a tab on the go and that it is a good price for what it can do.

As far as updates go, if you are a transformer owner that frequents xda or any other Android based site the chances of you rooting and installing the latest are pretty high in my eyes. The TF is gonna have a great dev community even if ASUS decides to drag its feet on updates.

The only reason why I am not selling my xoom to get a TF is because I brought it first. I don't mind using the BT keyboard because I planned on just using a HDMI cable to hook it up to the tv and using it like that. I'm also looking to do a custom dock for the car and was going to use the BT for that situation too.

Alas, I recommend the TF to newcomers based on price, the honeycomb experience, and the fact that it turns into a netbook and doubles the battery life.
[Xoom General] case0:
To people saying how they don't think Asus will be good with updates, thought I should point out that the tablet came out on the 6th here in the UK and the first ota came out around the 15th. Pretty good if you ask me. And with very minimal changes (ie. a few Widgets) I don't think honeycomb updates will be delayed by much at all.
[Xoom General] FrayAdjacent:
I have neither, I have a Nook Color.

Whatever benefit there is from the Xoom being out for a couple months already, while good, doesn't make it worth $200 more to me.

Since I was looking at a WiFi only device, and wanted to end up using a BT keyboard anyway, the TransFormer will do everything I want and still cost $50 less after I buy the keyboard base.

Moto gonna have to drop prices to compete. Seriously.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
I'm one of those people who believe with everything in life, you get what you pay for. Some people think dish is cheaper then cable go ahead. If seen an Asus and for me its no where near a xoom even if it had come out 1st. I'm pretty sure everyone will be happy with their purchase but no way in hell I'm taking that over xoom. Honestly I want my 4G upgrade which will then make this device my best friend.
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
I believe this WHOLEHEARTEDLY. You get what you pay for. In thee Xoom I paid for a Pure Google Device that is very, very well built and does not have the cheap plastic feel (not saying the Asus does). I have Dual Band Radios (I have the Netgear 4000 and can run 72mbps @ 2.4 or 5ghz). Sure the Micro SD does not work now, BUT it will and it will be the way Google wants it to run not some half assed way Asus or Acer decided to have it run.

Yesterday I paid $250 for a pair of Wireless Headsets (TurtleBeach PX5) and they are totally worth the money and more. I do alot of gaming at night when the Wife and Kids are sleep and wanted a very good pair of Headsets to listen to that have 5.1 surround sound and I have found them. I use them on my PS3 and PC. I have a pair of TB X41 (for my Xbox 360) and the PX5's make them sound like garbage. No hissing or static whatsoever. I am so happy I bought these. I got what I paid for and more. 8 Preset sounds. Bluetooth for the PS3 and my HTC EVO if it rings (I can answer my phone with the headsets while in a game, Awesome)

I will ALWAYS pay for quality and have No problem doing it.
[Xoom General] FrayAdjacent:
This can be true, but it is NOT universal. Think about Monster cables. Do you get what you pay for? A $300 1 meter HDMI cable is not quantifiably 50 times better than a $6 generic cable.

Often times if you go with non name-brand products, you can get 90% of the performance for 50% of the price.

My point is, price alone is definitely NOT a true indicator of quality, durability or value.

YMMV
[Xoom General] freeky1:
The 32gb wifi-only Transformer costs $499 ($100 less than the wifi Xoom) but it's made of plastic, doesn't have a standard USB port, and the keyboard is another $150, right?
[Xoom General] sjruk:
I returned my transformer yesterday because of a few problems with it. I bought the xoom and I have to say I think the build quality is much better. I don't notice any difference with screen quality apart from the touch is better on the xoom. The xoom also feels better in your hand.
[Xoom General] eviltuna:
I already have a Xoom, and my transformer will be delivered today, for those who think Asus is a no name brand, are you kidding me? They've been around like forever, Asus makes quality stuff, and if I remember correctly they used to make laptops for Sony and a couple other companies. If you've ever owned an Asus motherboard you will know that they support their products way past it's life cycle, I see some 3-5 year old motherboards still getting firmware updates. So for those who are uninformed, just cause you don't know Asus does not mean it is a low quality no name brand. Now I haven't seen the Transformer yet, but mine will be delivered today and I'd bet my Xoom that its build quality is on par if not better than the Xoom.
[Xoom General] Android-hotness:
I had the zoom for a week and a half and when I saw the Asus Transformer it was back to Bestbuy for a return.

The zoom was way over price, I hated the speakers being in the back, the display was crap even with full brightness it look washed out and too dark. Why would you put out a product with things not working, the SDCard.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
*facepalm*
[Xoom General] atoy74:
Look forward to your impressions of the Transformer.

AND, you're absolutely right about Asus and their quality. I dont understand people's ignorance cause they dont recognize the name vs a Motorola. Asus has been #1 is reliability for something like 3yrs and builds excellent stuff.
[Xoom General] Stone 13:
Good luck to all those jumping ship, although honestly I don't see the logic. You're jumping from 1 Tegra 2 tablet that will be outclassed within the next 6 months to another Tegra 2 tablet that will be outclassed in the next 6 months. I'll be keeping my Xoom until I can get a quad-core & IPS display. None of these tablets are light years ahead of the other at this point.....
[Xoom General] atoy74:
You're both right on average. You do get what you pay for and not everything thats expensive is worth the cost.

Since not many of us have held and test driven an Asus Eee Pad we'd have to make some assumptions. First, Asus has a spectacular reputation in manufacturing and design (#1 for 3yrs running I think) so I dont think we should write off the Eee Pad as cheap or inferior. Second, Moto did take us to the cleaners regarding price. Its hard to argue against.
[Xoom General] atoy74:
You're absolutely right. Except, jumping ship gives me $300 back in my pocket for essentially the same device.

I dont know how you feel about $300 but that's nothing to sniff at.
[Xoom General] Stone 13:
I can't buy a 32gb transformer with the ability to upgrade to LTE for $300 less, matter of fact, I can't buy it at all. But I agree $300 is nothing to sniff at....
[Xoom General] cwizardtx:
Have fun trying to explain Wifi only vs. 3G/LTE to this guy. He has An EVO 4G though so he can Tether. To atoy: I'll be envious of your IPS screen but thats about it :)
[Xoom General] Stone 13:
Not gonna try, but I agree with you that I envy the IPS screen. Asus makes great hardware, I'm not knocking it, but other than the screen, the hardware is essentially the same on all these tablets....
[Xoom General] cwizardtx:
Except for the fact that it isn't. They each have varying qualities of build, different wifi radios, different batteries. Otherwise they still run Honeycomb yes and use a Tegra 2 processor.

What I particularly like about the Xoom when comparing it to the Acer which i've held in my hands now is that the Xoom has nice tight lines and edges, the bezel around the panel stays thin from end to end and the Acer has some goofy ass half inch of nothing out to the sides. The Asus has something similar but not as pronounced. I like the solid cool feeling of the case on the Xoom. The acer felt cheap like a kids toy. I'd rather have another iPad before the Acer.

I'm pretty sure that the Xoom is still the only tablet that does 802.11 a/b/g/n which could be important for someone wanting to use a higher band.

Personally it's a little aggravating that my SD slot doesnt work yet but all that means is that when it does I gotta go buy a 32GB card because i'm not wasting time with anything less lol.
[Xoom General] Stone 13:
I agree with that, the build quality is one of the reasons I love my Xoom. The SD card & LTE updates are getting to be overdue but I keep telling myself I knew that when I bought. Either way, I'm one of those strange people satisfied with my purchase.....
[Xoom General] cwizardtx:
I am too. Very satisfied. If Motorola released a 64GB 3G/LTE version with an IPS panel I'd jump ship for that :)

After reading everything about the Acer there's no way I'd downgrade to that. I might recommend someone purchase one as a new purchase but if I was going to do that I'd probably tell them to buy the ASUS unit at $399.

I should go post screenshots of my current tablet layout, all 5 screens are jam packed with stuff :)
[Xoom General] jjank11:
This is exactly why I got a xoom 2 days ago. After doing alot of research and waiting for other companies to announce honeycomb tablets, I undoubtedly choose the xoom. Build quality is great and IMO, its the best tablet, until I see what the new Samsung 10.1v has to offer. The only gripe I have really is the screen being highly reflective (but nothing a good screen cover couldn't reduce). Plus, I bought my tablet to use as a tablet, not as a netbook or laptop. If I wanted a netbook or laptop I would buy such devices. I never understood that argument, since these tablets can not replace everyday netbook or laptop power and productivity, from my experience, plus you pay a premium for your tablet. Its almost nonsensical to me if you argue for the netbook convenience. Anyhow, just one mans 2cents.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
this will be a good test. xoom users are getting their honeycomb 3.0.2 updates today, lets see how long before asus pushes out this update to their customers.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/motorola-xoom-software-update-brings-ssl-and-widevine-drm-no-lt/
[Xoom General] leeharo:
Just got a Transformer last week!

Anyone from UK want a Xoom?...I just want to sell mine at a price around 430 :(
[Xoom General] freeky1:
£430 is like $720!

Sent from my Etch A Sketch
[Xoom General] sirius b:
You know after reading this thread I'm glad I have a xoom instead.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1051776
[Xoom General] lordgodgeneral:
I personally like my transformer better then the xoom. The extra bezel makes it easier to hold, I don't have problems typing on it. The working SD card out of the box. Asus has been great with updates already 2 out since the initial uk launch. USB works out of the box as well, no need for a special cable, just a female-female adapter (plug stuff into the charging cable) Screen is awesome, and battery life is frigin nice. Asus added apps are actually usefull for the most part. There is no skin, its straight HC with different button icons is all.

Plus once the dock comes out, battery life is doubled, don't need a case for a stand, storage will be hard to beat (even with 16 GB internal, +32 microSD+at least 32 GB full SD, = 80 Gig. Supposed to support SDXC so may be even more then that. And still have 2 usb ports to use on top of it all.

Already rooted and roms coming out, figure OC will be done shortly, so xoom isn't that far ahead.

Only thing I really like better on the xoom, is the rubberized back and the multi band wifi.
[Xoom General] Smokexz:
This could happen to a Xoom user very easily, it's always going to be just a slight unfortunate event that can ruin any device whether it be running Android, iOS, or even Windows 7 and Mac.

Sent from my Xoom
[Xoom General] sirius b:
That I get, but maybe it has to do with Asus hacking the is to run the sd card. I'm not saying it is, but if google hasn't released a working SD card feature there may be a good reason why you know?
[Xoom General] Dr.Preston:
I see no reason to get the Transformer over the Xoom, especially if you already have a Xoom.
[Xoom General] Gwartan:
I really liked my Xoom, but returned it on the 26th. I will wait to see what develops for the Xoom over the next few months and what other tablets are released. I may kick the tires around on the transformer but haven't decided yet.
[Xoom General] KING SKILLZ:
Great points on both sides! I was personally ready to return my xoom right after receiving it, screen looked dull & honey comb didn't seem that advance, I found the device kind of boring until I saw BigDX's themes, & bigrushdogs work with kernels and clockwork up and running that I started to get that same feel that i get when I root and customize my evo and that I got with my ¹st smart phone(700wx). In a nutshell as long as the developers are supporting the device I say go with what floats your boat! Wether it be eye candy or buget if its supported on these boards its gonna eventually be better than the way you bought it!
[Xoom General] freeky1:
It sounds like quite a few Transformers are getting bricked. Hopefully their repairs are faster than their manufacturing! Judging by the questions asked by the technicians, it looks like Asus has their PC support fielding calls for the Transformer.

Sent from my Etch A Sketch
[Xoom General] hdtvpower:
What is really fascinating is the fact that sombody from ASUS is active on the board answering questions, I have not seen anybody from Moto here or did I miss something....

hdtvpower
[Xoom General] DroidHam:
No ones had their Xoom bricked by a ota uodate, not really needed lol troll
[Xoom General] wang1404:
Stop arguing guys, play nice. Both devices are great. Its like a war within a family, if this is going to be longer and longer, it ain't no different than ios versus android
[Xoom General] freeky1:
I'm not trying to argue, but Motorola has a great owners forum where a Motorola tech is always answering questions.
[Xoom General] pecosROB:
So purchase Plex for $5, put it on your desktop/laptop that has the movies (desktop preferably so you can leave it on longer) and watch it using wi-fi at your place (or a friend's or wherever that has wi-fi) or over 3G (and LTE whenever that happens) anywhere you get a signal.

I have over 100 movies I've ripped from my collection (and have since sold) to watch on my EVO and Xoom. Who needs max storage space if you have Plex or Amazon (for music)?
[Xoom General] ntemples1:
I just returned the transformer, whilst the screen was good the overall build quality compared to the xoom was lacking. I love the solid feel to the zoom and apart from the ghosting the screen is good too, also chuck in the 3/4g and im sold :-)

That's not putting the transformer down though, I think for the price its very good, just not as good as the xoom. IMO obviously :-D
[Xoom General] boristhebladexx:
i think i'm going to pick up a xoom on craigslist.... the bezel and build quality make it worth it to me
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
I am hoping with this keyboard and the Xoom's new update I will have the Transformers functionality.

http://www.provantage.com/solidtek-kb-3962b-bt~7SOLD01E.htm
[Xoom General] Kippui:
I'm still debating against getting the xoom or transformer. This thread has many valid points but I think I'm edging towards the xoom.

Faster updates

Build quality

developer support judging from how populated the XDA forum is for the xoom

I'm going to have to try both of them out first before I decide though.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
Hey! If you don't have a Xoom............ Well you don't have a Xoom! :D

That iPhone commerial makes me want to throw my freekin tv out the window! :(
[Xoom General] MitchRapp:
oh no, I don't have iBooks! or the App Market! noooooooo... silly commercials.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
Well......... that's because you don't have an iPhone! :D
[Xoom General] Kippui:
A magical device can make you do crazy things.

says Steve Jobs
[Xoom General] MitchRapp:
lol. and for a split second at then end of the commercial... sequences shortened. duh.
[Xoom General] :
I've had my xoom since Feb 24th and bought the Acer iconia android model to try. Number one reason for taking it back: no native exchange activesync! POP OR IMAP, that's it. Plus it has quirks. Home soft button stopped working, settings:storage doesn't report sdcard space, many more problems. Plus some of the built-in Acer apps don't even work, they FC. I did notice the slot where sdcard goes, there's another slot that has grey tape covering it. Perhaps a 3g/4g sim slot? Best Buy sales dude removed tape and it looks like it would fit a sim card.

Edit: Sorry: misread this to be about Acer, not Asus!
[Xoom General] filterking:
No the Transformer is about $90.00 less. The 32 GB Transformer is $499.99, the 32GB Xoom is $589.95 at BB. This is really easy to overlook. I have done it also.