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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CrazyCharlie:
I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |Melvin|:
are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Holeblocker:
But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".

For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.

Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)

If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.

I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rick Chase:
Wrong section, but I agree.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |Melvin|:
first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ferhanmm:
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmynguyen91:
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ColorNapkin:
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.

I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |Melvin|:
as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ^Fs:
+1
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billwinkle:
I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.

I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |Melvin|:
dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stillyone:
them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button :)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelh99:
Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.

If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bartek25:
this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .

But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkhrist:
I don't get people sometimes. I guess you want to flame all the devs/modders/winzippers away and then what you have nothing but aan empty forum. Be greatful and if you don't like what there is to choose from make your own stuff. As far as release standards may be good maybe not. If you don't like it don't download and save your complaints for your local governor.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atwon:
+1

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Current Phone: Samsung T959

Current Carrier: T-Mobile US

Current ROM: Bionix-V v1.3.1

Current Kernel: OverStock w/ OC 1.2 gHz

Current Theme: Erobus

Voodoo: Enabled
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmynguyen91:
Why do you have to get so defensive and resort to name calling when I wasn't directing my comments at anyone specific? I thought the forum was more mature than that. All I was saying was that a new rom should be more than just a new change of looks. Looks = theme. A new rom for example would have something revolutionary such as: music/camera/video working on low battery, the rom itself tweaked to a great extent so performance can be visibly seen as compare to other roms (e.g. smoothness, scores), etc. I never said I created roms, I'm not a self-proclaimed dev. If I had the time, I could put bits and pieces together, change the looks a little, and call it a rom, but I would sure as hell not post it on the forum as a rom.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
So much whining. regardless what side of the fence you're on...

WHY DOES THIS MATTER ON A PUBLIC FORUM?

Not everyone will always agree/do what you think is right.

Get over it. Move on.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |Melvin|:
well i feel what you say...its just there are lots of tweaks available for our use so i use them..i can say that when i started developing roms, i themed them annd changed some apps but now i add power menu options my self, lockscreens im almost finishing learnning it... i build them from base, but i dont need to make the lockscreens if whitehawks already made them...its all about it
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cashyftw:
I agree completely, I look on the vibrant forum a lot and just see the same stuff with different names, and a different theme, nothing new. I love our devs, and it's not there fault, it's samsungs. I bet a lot more people would come around if they would just release a darn gb rom. It's sad this community went down so fast, this phone is awesome, and I know it could get better, guess it's to late.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bartek25:
do you own work ,make things even better = fresh

copy things over and over = ...u know

,

and if people dont have time to put up a nice original rom maybe they shouldnt do it and do it for them selfs only , hell lack of time prevents me from working on the things so i dont even bother to start

And think about it people come make a Rom leave and You are left without no Updates to Rom You ran , if its a bit bigger team you can rely on them i think a lil bit more than You can on single person ,and we all know how painful flashing new rom from something else might get , i made my point :>here
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Br1cK'd:
I called out nobody by name, but I guess if you took offense, then you feel guilty. Im all for helping and sharing info, but when I saw help given either by myself or by others not acknowledged by the recipient time and time again, I decided I had really had enough of the kang fest that was going on around here. And while I definitely did not learn everything on my own, I have taken my time, and paid my dues in hours, days, and weeks of mindnumbing research, study, and trial and error scripting, modding, and building, before anything I ever did saw the light of day, that I do take offense to the winzippers popping up around here calling themselves devs. I never called myself a dev, merely a chef, I'm not to dev level in my own opinion, and for some of you kiddies to have the nerve to call yourselves devs, is downright ridiculous bull****.

Im not calling out everyone out here. If you do your own scripting and mods then hold your head high and do your damn thing. However, those that are offended by my words, are most likely the ones who should be, and have no business hosting a rom they can't support, you know who you are.

Ginger Clones of the World Unite!!! via the XDA App
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cashyftw:
Bartek!! Hows it going man, did you ever get the mt4g?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |Melvin|:
i damm agree with you cashy, im thinking to move one man
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmynguyen91:
This ^ +1

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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] |Melvin|:
lets start from last, i dont call myself a dev because i know what is it..im just a guy that likes to share...i didnt take the offence of the logcat cuss i know how to pull it already and yea br1cked i agree with you in some parts
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bartek25:
Hello , i sold the vibrant and i bought new one LoL, and its a lot better than my old Vibrant :D i never got my touch i had been busy working and i want it to give people time off from my offensive comments i had posted before so i came in for 5 min get new updates to rom and call it the day :D :D
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g1flasher:
This is all My opinion and mine only, take it as you will

Most of the stuff now is warmed over themes. All of the Chefs/devs, that I trust to put out something fresh and new have not in a long time. They have all left and moved on to newer devices, or no longer post there stuff on here to basically be themed over and reproduced by somebody else... If there does happen to be a gingerbread for vibrant I would like to hope that they would return to provid us with some wholesome goodness, but that remains to be seen (gb).

I usly once every couple of days get the bug to flash something, it's usly CM7 as I'm hoping that the "well boy" voice deal will be fixed, the CM guys are working on it but that is about all I have left to look forward to with this phone. I guess I will just have to accept the fact that untill there is something else stable, that it will be 2.2 for a truly bug free experiance. I'm pretty much done with ROMs untill then, now it's on to kernel flashing and testing.

as I said these are my opinions, don't get all bent over them.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rubbamade:
Ok...my 2 cents...i have been programming for years...probably since most of you were in diapers or before. I used to program for AOL years go. Making my own tools to disrupt chat rooms, email bomb, im bomb, etc.....and it seems to me that this is always going to be a "problem". I remember making entire programs from the ground and finding that 5 or 6 of the programs that would be put out had half or most of my code. I never minded, I actually found it kind of flattering. None of the "themers" are using any of their ROMs to harm anyone. And it also seems to me that most of the people that "know something already' are usually pretty willing to help just about anyone.

As far as calling all the newer programers themers, its really not fair. Im sure almost every single one of you older programmers didnt make a completely new ROM for these phones. Like they said earlier, most of the ROMs are ports of a I9000 ROM or a Captivate ROM. No one is original here, really. Maybe the guys that are working on CM7...but even the MIUI is now just a port.

Everyone complains about the devs not putting out polished products. But really then what kind of community would we have if it was just a bunch of people putting out the Original ROM. I'm sure in that case it would be a lot less friendly and no one would really be learning much. Be thankful that we still have even the "themers" to keep putting out ROMs for us. Half of the devs are gone to newer better phones. I love my Vibrant and am happy for the ROMs, bugless or not.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cpittman:
to answer your question... it's a theme :D

ps at least have the courtesy to use a stock rom for your base if your going to call it your work.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobbbb:
:rolleyes:

But I agree with this thread...

Every ROM put out here is complete crap compared to what Sombionix, Eugene, and even Master have put out... For the exception of whoever ported Firefly, that's a decent ROM i'll admit... but it's still a port.

WHEN you copy someone else's rom, remove bloatware, add tweaks from OTHER people, add fixes from OTHER people, and change the theme, you are NOT a developer.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mentalex2:
God Dann people, it's just a phone! Go outside and do something.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bartek25:
and Lol i bet some of these Roms are not even tested before release for more than a week ,i wonder how long it took team whisky to test bionix before release , hmmmm......:P
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aghoshhajra:
dude, don't be a ****. all these guys put out these ROMs completely free of charge for you to use. it's not fair for you to call their work crap. i've been on this forum for a while and i've yet to see a ROM posted from "bobbbb" so for you to come and call out other people is completely unnecessary and uncalled for.

if you have constructive criticisms for someone's work, by all means share. but if you're just going to sit behind your computer screen and just rip on people's work then you might as well log off cuz you don't deserve to use any of their ****. i don't wanna be "rude" or "flame" you, i just feel like its a little unfair of you to **** on people's work (regardless of they wrote the code themselves or not).
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rubbamade:
+1 Go use a stock ROM and quit complaining!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TricH:
I dont put my rom out without testing it and making sure i get all bugs out. Who knows how long team whiskey tests. They prob just get it right the first time
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewidtfeldt:
I just want to say that the grammar and spelling in this thread are awful. People will take you and your work much more seriously if you can put together a working sentence. I realize some may not speak english as a first language, but lets all try to use real words like big boys and girls.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce lee roy:
I, for one, appreciate the ports. To me, that's what the galaxy s was really meant for; how many i9000, nexus s, vibrant, etc are there out there in the world? How else could we get the darky's and the miui? I can't wait till gb source is released so we can get ports from ns to compliment our vibrant roms and the i9000 roms.

You all need to quit being so damn sensitive. If you think someone is not doing it right, use that as incentive to produce something better. The quality roms will always outlive the rest; just look at how long the bionix has been towards the to of the list.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Segnaro:
The early versions were a port. MIUI team compiles a Vibrant version from source now.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] illego:
Who cares. If you don't like a rom do not use it. who the hell actually dev around here. Even TW all they ever did was build of of the leak roms. Tweaking a few scripts and adding their own themes is barely consider developing. I use to add batch files to DOS to make it run better and I haven't consider myself a dev yet. If there was so much developing around here how come nothing ever happens until an existing dump or leak is found.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jzun223:
+1
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navmit1:
Well said!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] secure_6:
+2

Sent from my Sammy Vibe
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Charlie Brown:
Brickd dont even bother with idiots please! And any self respecting XDA member who is mature in any way should not reply to name calling.

This is one of the reasons Team Whiskey left XDA.

Lets stick the OP please. I think it is a VERY valid question.

(See how name calling makes people feel bad. Here is a taste of your own meds)

Bosina.... arent you a guy? Bosina means female boss right? lol sorry just found that funny. All of a sudden you came to XDA acting like a developer??? Who is Bosina? What have you done to call Devs like Brickd names and explode on threads like this??? dumb in i can?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darktranquility18:
No offense man but just cause other people call out names doesnt mean you have to go as low as them. Agreed people shouldnt call themselves devs cause they arent really creating anything but if people do enjoy and use these devs' ROMs as daily drivers, they have accomplished something. Might not be their work entirely but at the end of the day they do have some followers. If you dont like someones work, dont use it. Dont have to flame em.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JeremyNT:
People can call themselves whatever they want, but if a rom ain't built off of aosp I really have no interest.

This isn't meant to be a knock on the people who base roms off of the official samsung firmware, more power to them for trying to make that stuff usable. I'm just tired of samsung's janky mutilated flavor of android, and trying to fix their garbage is like putting lipstick on a pig.

Samsung is the problem. This is why my vibrant collects dust until cm is released.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RedTiki:
I see the point of this thread! The difference from ROM to ROM keeps going down by the day with most of it being cosmetic changes. But like others have said there hasn't been much to tweak anymore as it's probably been done by someone already. So I don't have much of a problem with ppl who just put together what they think is necessary or would be nice together. gives us something to tryout & entertain ourselves while we wait for something bigger!

The problem I have is when "devs" say something is working 100% & see numerous ppl complaining it's not working. If you haven't fully worked out the kinks just say so in your OP!

Having Themes to flash would be great & wish more ppl did them! Hope this thread inspires a few!

P.S - what's up with the horrible spelling & grammar? It just worries me sometimes!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Androidwhiz:
Most roms lately have been nothing more than half baked ports and themes. Many claiming to be 100% functional and many times having major bugs. Not cool. Roms don't need to be all new but should be different enough to tell a difference between them besides a theme. Porting a Rom doesn't make you dev, but I appreciate your work anyways.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rhonal89:
Well I haven't seen quality Roms since I owned a g1 back in the days. Even now if you head over to the g1 section there's more development than this section or most any other development section in xda. You know why is that. The g1 section is more closely observed and control by xda mods unlike the vibrant section.

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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brd912:
Well a rom does consist of a system and data. Hence,rom and theme. The rom is already built by samsung so all there is to do is to tweak it,and theme it. I thinks its a great idea to have a bunch of "useless" roms. It gives options. No matter who,all devs in any shape or form,are f'n awsome
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mulcahyd:
First off, coming from a windows mobile phone, i have flashed numerous ROMs on it and each one was different as the developers created them such a way they would not be alike from their previous versions. They either tweaked it or modded or designed their own icons and integrated all of this into their own work. Fyi, i only wrote this just to show an example.

Because i used create my own iphone icons and themes for it.

On the other hand, building android roms to some extent should be different. In what ways, for example, dev 1 person /team creates a rom with a scrolling ui launcher and dev 2 person / team creates a rom with the same features but added one small change on the ui launcher. To me i would call this a theme( because its an enhancement) from the first group. You see what i'm trying to get at.

Last but least, i think people without any theming/developing experience should seek help to the more experience individuals instead of raging on people who have no idea on how to do certain stuff or things.

All of this is where i come from. Regadless you guys agree or not, many of us come from different technical backgrounds.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Diamond_dawg:
I agree but many porters know what they are also, i ported one Rom, but i wouldnt call myself a dev cause i know i didnt, but i do take time to help fix stuff on my Rom, and This porting paradise is helping somewhat keep the news roms coming i mean, if you dont count the Rom ports, there are a handful of Roms.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattb6288:
I agree that they are just crap roms with **** loads of bugs. I have no idea how many times I flashed a nice looking rom that says everything is working and I went back to trigger because it is so stable and maintained with actual improvements.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmynguyen91:
I think a mod should sticky a thread that has a list of questions to classify whether something is different enough to be considered a rom. This way, devs know whether to post it as a rom or a theme. I was thinking of a dichotomous key sort of deal. I agree that the forum is a place for everyone to post things, but since it is a place for everyone, it should be kept neatly organized for everyone. Roms in the development subforum and themes in the theme subforum. No one likes a messy forum.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rolfd:
Moved, as this certainly doesn't belong in Dev.

I've skim read the thread and see a few posts verging on flaming. Keep it friendly please to avoid having another thread closed needlessly

Thanks