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[HTC Sensation] Sofly999:
@touness69:

I also think you're a pain for all the reasons above. Plus, you lost all credibility to my eyes by saying that plastic is a good heat dissipator while in fact, it's a very poor conductor thus making it a poor heat dissipator and a good isolation material.

I stopped reading you, when I see your name I skip to the next reply. You act like a troll.

Have a good day
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
First that is simply not true, I don't love unconditionally or whatever other extra adjectives samsung, I have already said it in this thread and many others (samsung threads included)

Secondly I were eyeing the two phones too and expecting big things from HTC to go re-join them (after my HD2) over samsung phones WAY before, even before it was officialized... (in a french forum >here<) Dang

I'm like many (many) others very dissapointed by HTC's wrong turn :(

Finally I ensure you, I have not waited for your start to share the excitment around this phone on sammy's forum ^^

[/HS]

EDIT : well it seems some don't want to go back to the thread !

@Sofly999, Sorry for your troll attempt but I have a Samsung Wave and I owned a HD2 so I know few things bout heat problems on metalic back phones ^^

BTW a you fail because metal radiates any energy direct to the components within whereas plastic absorbes energy so I prefer the heat to stay on back cover than go back to internal components...

Oh and I think I can still live decently even if I stopped you from reading me, at least I'll try

Have a nice day too ^^
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
EVERYONE REMEMBER

This thread is open to discussions and free opinions. Hence the title Vs. Everyone can have thier own opinion on the devices face to face
[HTC Sensation] jree:
I'm so stuck between whether or not its worth me waiting for the GS2 or if I should get the Sensation when it comes out, or if I should say **** it and just bite the bullet on the G2x that I have been patiently waiting for that is out already.

I have a Vibrant and I have always been a fan of HTC phones even though I have never owned one before in my life. My Sammy has been great except when I'm lost and before anybody from the Vibrant forums jumps on my back, yes, I have flashed several different ROMs, several different gps "fixes" and I have also performed the hardware fix and my Vibrant still seems to get me lost in the most important times. Other than that, I love the phone. The fact that Sammy took so long to release an official Froyo update also got me pissed even though i was running froyo for a very long time

I am stuck b/c the sensation only has 1 gb of internal memory and I don't know what to expect from a dual core snapdragon compared to the nvidia dual core processor. I am not that computer literate even though my mother in law thinks I could be the next Bill Gates.

The one thing that I have been hearing over and over again is the cameras for HTC has never been that great but they might have fixed that problem with the Sensation. I don't carry a digital camera with me but I do take an extremely high amount of pictures with my Vibrant and I love the camera and everything that its about even without the flash.

I waited so long for the G2x and now that its finally here I am not that amazed by it at all. Its cool but it wasn't worth my anticipation. I want to get rid of my Vibrant now so I just don't know what to do anymore cause this wait for new phones is killing me.

edit: forgot to say that I accidentally called the tmobile early termination line when I was trying to order the G2x and b/c I've been a loyal Tmo cust for over 7 years they gave me a $100 credit to keep me as a customer. All I did was tell them that I hated my GPS on my Vibrant and I was only telling him that b/c I thought we were just talking about why I wanted a new phone, not why he thought I was cancelling my account. So as of right now, I have an extra $100 to spend on a phone and there is only one option :(
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Yeah..I saw that post too...I just laught my but off hehe. HTC = build quality and Sense UI period. Mr Kim. Jong Ill can take his plastic crap and shove it up his arse.
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
edit............
[HTC Sensation] eadred:
This is exactly the problem here. You hold your opinions for the one Truth. It is even more annoying when it comes to design aspects, as this is per definition a subjective question. The Sensation is a very good phone and will have - as others also do - some flaws. But the world is not a dichotomy where Samsung has always right and all the others can only do wrong. Try to keep balance.

Unless you hold a load of Samsung stocks, you should have no reason to bash other devices like you do and you would do us all a favor if you could stop hammering your beliefs like if you were Samsung marketing manager.

And for what is worth, my world is not going to fall apart if the galaxy II is to score 2.587211442526% better or worse on the xyz benchmark score. Dual-core phones are already above real smartphone needs in terms of power. A few percent difference in benchmark scores - still subject to many uncertainties and externalities - is not going to change my buying decision in one direction or the other. So, cool down, keep balance and stop harassing people like if your life were depending on people buying samsung or htc.
[HTC Sensation] missinglink69:
People should Android users fight amongs themselve. Who cares about the manufacturing company it an Android. Since 2008 I have heard a lot of **** about how Androids suck from people who own iPhones. Now today I get on my favorite forum and we have dumb crappy like this. Can't We All Get Along !!!!!
[HTC Sensation] Sofly999:
Yes of course, we just don't like Mr. KnowItAll :) I was all about Iphones like 6 months ago because I didn't know Android that much(at all). I'm happy I got interested about Android phones cuz they rock!!! :D
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Why you don't want to go back to the thread and stop your OFF TOPICS ??

@eadred,

Are you serious ? when I gaved my opinion about design I said that it was so..

Your first fail

just link you to my previous post dude just read -_-'

Your second fail

Only truth hurts ;) , as I said to you earlier if you can't handle it , nothing retain you here there is plenty of other thread that praises HTC Sensation

And I already talked about the "stock" thing two pages before

@epsix, What happen I thought you stopped childish posts after you have given me your excuses :( You ran out of mature comments ?

I though you stopped reading me, pfff

Now just calm down every HTC fanboy this is a forum and like it was said earlier :

So STOP off topics/bullshits/trollish/immature comments now

There's another saying that claim : don't feed the troll, so that's the last time you eat from me, I will only answer to mature and inteligent non trollish posts

my pleasure ;)

EDIT :

+1000
[HTC Sensation] shapiro1234567890:
[edit] {get ur facts rite!}

The new snapdragon has very little performances advantages over previous oneS. This is the order of DC CPU's Snapdragon, Tegra 2, OMAP4 and Exynos, Snapdragon being the worst and Exynos being the best. The Galaxy S II has a much better screen but it will end up being a personal preference because the Sensation is 16:9 and has a better resolution vs. SAMOLED+. Sense is much better than TW 3 and since I have not used 4 i can't say.
[HTC Sensation] shapiro1234567890:
[u need glasses]

The title says "or", NOT "VS"
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Well as a HTC fanboy since 2002, im moving to GS2.

why?

Microsoft, year in year out, no development of winmo. Dropped the ball- now I boycott em.

HTC quality phones with sense, but always missing some important spec or lower spec than competition, to force you to buy the next model. If sensation had a decent wedge of storage ram, for HD video, I would have bought it. The display sounds ace but being stingy in other areas doesn't wash anymore. :mad:

HD2 early adopters like me have 18 month contracts which are finishing next month for alot of people. Heart says HTC but head says gs2 when you look at specs.

Nail in coffin is having the bootloader locked, people say gs2 isn't locked but sensation is??? Does anyone know any different?

In a nutshell I don't wanna compromise. My 2 pennies.
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
Very true.

Those from the WM days will know how HTC will leave out 1 important feature in their phones to force you to buy newer model...

But what HTC does they do right...

HTC Sense + Build Quality
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
^ actually nail in coffin is getting wed and honeymoon at end of may, but I want a quality phone cam for that period, and sensation won't be available. SG2 is only option i guess. No doubt will be back to HTC when the sensation 2 is released. With bell and whistle. ;)
[HTC Sensation] BoneMo:
SGSII

Maybe i will buy SGSII instead of HTC Sensation when it will have locked bootloader just like Incredible S. i want custom roms...so if i can flash custom roms on SGSII i will buy it

+SGSII has more storage for apps 2GB + 12GB for any data

+SGSII has much better black color displaying

+SGSII has more RAM

+SGSII has little bit bigger battery

+SGSII is cheaper than HTC Sensation in Czech Republic

- TouchWiz 4.0 is much worse then HTC Sense 3.0(i like HTC widgets)

PS: i have always had HTC phones, i have HD2 but I love flashing custom roms,so locked bootloader is really a problem for me
[HTC Sensation] n7of9:
i too was deciding between these 2 phones the other day...i think i will go with the Sensation, though, for 2 reasons

the Samsung has no FM radio (wtf???)

i still can't get over the poor quality build of the Galaxy

as i will be buying outright and online, i have to go with the brand i trust best, and that's HTC
[HTC Sensation] kurolife:
Any sources for your claims mate? and don't tell me smartbench2011 ....

Hopefully these 2 links will help you :

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...e-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...ormance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks
[HTC Sensation] X46X:
Your links not working..
[HTC Sensation] jree:
I'm not here to try to change anyones mind but I would like to say that as cheap as the Galaxy S feels, it is quite the opposite.

When I first got it I had my then 5 month old puppy chew it, I've dropped it from my lap getting outta my car on several different occasions, kicked it clear across the parking lot when I was pulling it outta my pocket and watched it bounce off the ground twice, had it fall from a cup holder and go flying off the treadmill straight into a wall once, and I've done all this without owning a case or a screen protector and all happened to it are 3 hair line scratches on the screen and little nicks that you can barely see on the battery cover(knocks on wood).

With all that said, I hate how light my phone is. I love the weight of the iphone4 which feels like a fat pig compared to my Vibrant. That is the only knock I can think of against the GS2 cause they seem to have found a way to make the phone lighter which I'm not too thrilled about.
[HTC Sensation] vinokirk:
I am also trying to decide between the two and the SGS2 is looking quite appealing. But the question I keep comming back to is, 'Whats the point in being able to play 720p or 1080p .mkv files when your still on a 480x800 screen?'.

If you have a 16:9 qHD screen I can only presume that there will be better pixel mapping for 16:9 720p content (which is mostly what I watch on my phone).
[HTC Sensation] Nitin985:
I read a while back on phandroid that the CPU in the sensation is underclocked and at its full speed is the fastest phone CPU. Also why do u think Samsung overclocked their CPU. I think I know

Sent From My HTC sensation (desire with rcmix s )
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
lol why does your xda app sig say sensation...?

qualcomm dualcore is capable of a true clockspeed of 1.5ghz. so sensation owners can overclock safely... but who needs a phone faster than a 1.2ghz dualcore?!?!
[HTC Sensation] Nitin985:
To show off to the stubborn iPhone users :)

Sent From My HTC sensation (desire with rcmix s )
[HTC Sensation] kurolife:
Should be working now i fixed the problem

And just to make sure

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...e-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...ormance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks
[HTC Sensation] :
Those are biased towards qualcomm though. Alot of trolls are coming from the sg2 board based off quadrant which is synthetic benchmark. Thing is qualcomm dual core processor doesn't even work together with each other like tegra 2 they can be clock differently from each other. My phone uses the single core 1.4 ghz processor. Including the desire line. Remember any processor can out perform any other if over clocked. Those are qualcomm maximum clocks speed. If I'm correct those low scores aren't even both processors in quadrant. Meaning only one activates with the other one actually clocked at a lower speed or not active at all.
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Even on those benchmark on final hardware from the Qualcomm's Mobile Development Platform with a MSM8660 @ 1.5Ghz and screen resolution of 800x480, Adreno 220 is not as good as the Mali-400 in the SGSII with an Exynos @ 1.2Ghz.

A Mali-400 performs 41fps on GLBenchmark Egypt Standart and the Adreno 220 performs 38fps.

In a real phone running a MSM8660 @ 1.2Ghz and with a bigger 960x540 resolution (like the HTC Sensation), results will not be as good for the Adreno 220.

So Qualcomm has clearly ****ed up his current gen processors agaisnt competition
[HTC Sensation] mattfmartin:
I dont know, this looks pretty good to me for adreno 220

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Agreed. Ignore the Sammy cheerleaders.
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
If this thing from qualcomm can run that, just imagine those graphics even more beautiful, without those little lags and with a lower power-consumption hence the lower clock speed.. here you are with an Exynos processor
[HTC Sensation] kurolife:
No there is nothing ****ed up here, of course due to the resolution the number on benchmarks would be lower, but again does it change anything from the fact that MSM8260 is one of the fastest Chips out there?

No it does not now add to that htcs solid software optimisations and you'll have a killer platform:

Now back to Mali and SGS 2 here is what i found:

VS

AND

VS

Both platform at their stock frequencies and on same resolution!
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
The Samsung CPU features autoscaloing though and cannot be changed by default. Could this affeect benchmarks?
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
those benchmarks were done like one month ago with an early prototype with early software of a GSII VS on a final Qualcomm product running final software

with optimized drivers by the manufacturer himself

Driver optimization have come a long way now with final GSIIs, here are real facts :

Another story when things gets final uh...

The Exynos 1.2Ghz is superior to Qualcomms 1.5Ghz chip besides the fact that it is running at a 20% lower frequency, pretty astonishing, so even if this new dual core chip from qualcomm is better than previous single core chips it is still too much inferior to its direct competitiors in the same league
[HTC Sensation] MiKA7:
Any evidence that Qualcomm was using finalized software?? Nope didn't think so.. so quit praising or hating the sgs II or the sensation till they are both released with final firmware and then we will see.. and for the record a benchmark beast can have poor performance in everyday use.. just my poor 2cents
[HTC Sensation] kurolife:
Dunno really

1-I don't get ur point here? those benchmarks are from the MSM8660 Developement prototype platform and not a final product!

2-Just look at the chart you are supplying(if we consider those numbers to be correct because i m still trying to get the source of those number that i can't find) :

Egypt High:SGSII 39,4 VS 38,4 on the Qualcomm platform

PRO High: SGSII 59 VS 93,6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The MSM8660 is a 1.5Ghz chip stock! where as the Exynos is 1Ghz stock from Now mind explaning why would samsung OC it cpu to 1.2ghz if it was so sure of it performance?

And again neither the EVO3D nor the Sensation would hit those number due to lower frequency but especially due to the higher resolution but that doesn't take any merite to the platform it self!

It's like if you are telling me oh wait the iphone 3gs scores higher than the iphone4 in those benchmarks so it is definitly better... Seriously think about it for a sec

Like i said before what would be more intersting is the price i doubt the Sensation would be expensive, especially if the evo 3D is coming not long after! and I'd say the SGS2 would be in between or the same price as the sensation, lets wait and see.

Side note: half of the SGSII would be shiped with tegra2 instead of exynos? if it is true i m sure it will make alot of angry people
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
are you jocking ? They are even selling this brick on which benchmark were done for developpers for 1300€+, of course it is running final software !

http://androidcommunity.com/qualcommbsquare-mdp-giveaway-at-slashgear-20110427/
[HTC Sensation] kurolife:
I've read the whole article line by line... where does it say it is final software? and since MDP had final software ever?

Edit: also i think the Exynos is quite late and i doubt that Samsung is ready to release another architecture anytime soon as they did withe first hummingbird cpus so the only evolution i m seing so far is tweaking the frenquency, where as in mid cycle other compagnies like Nvidia and Qualcomm would be chipping their second chips aka Tegra 3 and MSM8960(which first samples are supposed to chip this quater..)
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
This is the name of the device not its designation : MDP for Mobile development plateform

The benchmark are from a Final GSII unit

here

http://domarmstrong.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-galaxy-s-2-benchmark-tests.html

Just like with the original Galaxy S, Samsung has capped it to 60fps for Vsync and for battery life savings. And I will add: because it is useless to go over 60fps noone will see any benefits

Well I guess it is simply for marketing purpose as the average joe would think that if it is clocked at a higher frequency, it will be better, the benchmarks on my previous post just prove that it is actualy not the case

True, but it's a bit different thought because both the iPhone 4 and the 3GS are using the same GPU whereas the i4 have 4x more pixel to struggle with so the results are obvious.

I'm getting both ! :D

And very soon, (as soon as they are out), so I will report back if in real life performance we see that much of a difference between the two ;)
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
One thing I hate about HTC is their speaker sux balls. I hope Sensation will have better speaker since its HD audio.

Edit that might be only thing that can change my mind to SG2 :-) *shrug*
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
So you consider selling a device with alpha software running on it ? Of course it is not saying "final software" in the article, it is like saying "oh look at that RETAIL GSII review they are not saying final software so they might sell it unfinished"

And gush the link where benchmarks are from was posted a page back just read

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...ormance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks

So GPU drivers were optimized since the first model where benchmarks were done on

Quotes :

"It's been a bit busy since we got the MDP home with us, but we've run and re-run tests on the MDP all along and are ready to talk about GPU performance. The MDP we have right now is optimized for evaluating graphics performance, which we'll take a look at in this article"

"The one we have is again optimized for GPU testing,and sadly lacked cellular connectivity or WiFi, but gets the job done nonetheless."

"The MDP we tested was running all out, with maximum clocks and no power management thorottling CPU or GPU clocks down based on usage and load."

"Though these benchmarks show off what MSM8660 is capable of, actual performance in shipping devices will obviously be different depending on UI, power management, and display resolution choices made by Qualcomm's OEM customers, like HTC."
[HTC Sensation] drake1:
SG has better specs but surely sensation has better user experience?
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Sense UI is nicer than Touchwiz, definitely.

But only if the hardware of the Sensation can handle it with enough smoothness that will make it a good user experience! That is not the case atm in the latest vids we can see some lags on the launcher, hope they will optimize it until it's launched (in two weeks time!)

TouchWiz in its latest 4.0 version has some pretty nice gestures tho
[HTC Sensation] nicregi:
i love this topic. I myself is deciding between SG2 and Sensation. I really like HTC widget seriously (but I don't own one) and I heard tooooo many bad things about SG 1. Really hope Sg2 is a good move up.

From what i read, both has pro and con. I prefer to go for SG2 due to the hardware seems better but deep inside, I prefer Sensation looks.

Oh my...I can't decide.

*Thanks all for contributing to this topic. Really helping me to decide which phone to get :)
[HTC Sensation] MartijnMM:
For me, i need a reason to upgrade my HD2, then i look at

what i actually do with the phone, and thats basicly 2 things:

1) Watch movies

2) Social networking

Then i look at the phones and compare them, and the only thing left is the screen, cause in all other areas, my HD2 does just great, no need for an upgrade.

Screen: The sensation wins on all fronts, except the black values. (don't care for saturated colors), the higher resolution with real 16:9 does it for me.
[HTC Sensation] mrHD2:
It's only one opinion but i thought the SG 2 was really ugly when i saw it, it looks so plasticky and cheap, just like the Nexus S, it doesn't matter how much you try and spin it, there's no such thing as 'high quality plastic'! and that physical home key/button!!!!

It's the sought of phone that you check your emails when you get to work (in the lift when there's no-one else looking).

Touchwiz is just boring compared to Sense.
[HTC Sensation] n7of9:
agreed...look at them side by side, NO contest...everything on the SGII is just so SQUARE, it's kind of infantile
[HTC Sensation] :
For people saying that the 16:9 ratio will be funny sense wraps text literally perfectly. To the screen no matter what size it is so don't worry about having to scroll to read everything.
[HTC Sensation] cqms13:
+1

Really hate the physical home button too, sensation looks way sleeker without it, like a nexus one minus the trackball and bezel
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
Each to their own I suppose, The Samusng has a more traditional shaping like the Desire HD. The Sensation just looks all out of whack the front curves where the glass meets the metal case looks abnormal. The back looks like a kid had drawn some swirls on it. It makes it look tacky.
[HTC Sensation] kfgtboypsp:
I agree with you. Not hating on Samsung now. I love there LEDTV's cuz I own one lol. But why the heck Did Samsung make the SGS2 so thin? Hearing that Its thinest phone ever that it can slide underneath a door crack? I saw the commericial it made me lol honestly, I mean Honestly who slides there phone underneath a door? I know thin is good but not too thin. Plus its made out of plastic. Good luck with durability. Plastic is flimsy but the internals aren't getting protected well by its built quality. Something is bound to get damage internally from use and stress that is put on a daily bases. All I can say whats the use of there top quality specs if there gonna get dammaged from there low quality built. Samsung needs to step up on there built quality. Just my 2 cents so don't hate on me. :-p