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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yes, but contrary to popular belief the manufacturer additions do add a lot of value to the device. I don't think I can use any other Android phone with out an equivalent to Samsung Social Hub, because that functionality is that good. Going to stock Android would be like removing the People/Me/Pictures Hubs and then some from WP7 and telling someone to use it...

In addition to that, Custom ROMs are updated at a volatile pace and lock you into a BiAnnualForcedDeathMarch™ because they, too, contain bugs and when they're updating them twice a month you can end up in a situation where you're constantly reflashing your phone.

It's just a dumb thing to do on a device that you actually need to get real work done on. On a secondary/third device, it's cute as a hobby, though. Suggesting I do that is like suggesting I factory reset my phone once a week, cause I can...

But I would never install a Custom ROM and deal with that on my primary device. It's just asking for trouble, and you never know when you get hit by an unknown/until then unencountered bug and get bricked.

For Andorid phones the OTA sofware availability or leaks of them plays a huge role in the availability of custom ROMs that at least resemble the experience of the stock phone (they pot over some non-F/OSS components), so no matter if you're modding/using custom ROMs or not... The manufacturer source code as well... You're at the whim of the manufacturer whether you use Custom ROMs or not...

I just like a clean device because I stopped tinkering on phones a while ago. It's just not worth MY time, and you generally end up with more problems/questions than you had before you did it. Plus, I actually have a bit of taste and like the manufacturer skins. Anyone who thinks stock Android looks fine has no taste for aesthetics. It looks worse than Symbian without the work Manufacturers put into it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The Nexus S was available, and the Nexus One ceased to be the premier Google Phone when it was released. I don't see what the problem is. The Nexus One had FroYo like 6 months before the Vibrant, IIRC... You're buthurt over ~6 week delay? Lol...

Try to let the bitterness wear off a bit before you laughably insinuate the manufacturers are faster than Google. The Nexus S was a completely different phone from the Nexus One, inside and out. I swear, you people act like putting Android on another phone is as easy as hitting "Build" in an IDE and flashing it on there...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It was more like 4 months than 6 weeks IIRC, and he's not saying that updates come faster from OEMs than Google.

That being said, I'd definitely go the Nexus route if I chose Android. 2.3 is quite usable, albeit still quite, hmm, tasteless. But that's not important for many and highly subjective.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
I've not done any of this "real work" I see people mention, on a phone. email is as close as ill get to that.

twitter never was my thing either, so following other folks pictures/facebook/whatever I can't really relate to. email works pretty well for me in that reguard. I'm sure its neat for you, and can understand the hub portion, just not something I use.

haven't seen a cyanogenmod bug that bricks anything, yet !

I still like to tinker.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gremmmy:
well good luck with the nexus s :) I played with the phone a week ago and have to say, i never saw a browser that is that lagy.. I used the standard browser from android and sooming it with 2 fingers went anything but smooth..( I was browsing on google.com)
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
scrolling is also a lot less smooth. pocketnow did a browser comparison awhile ago and it was pretty obvious IE and safari perform a lot better
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
I'll give you 100$ for your focus if you really want to get rid of it. My wife is dying to get one and ditch her iphone as she has played with my HTC Surround that i got off ebay.

(If you really hate it, you'll ditch it for 100$)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I use WebEx for work meetings. Work Email (reset up the Exchange account after every reset, and for those of us who use Exchange and have seen it's admin console, it can look a bit fishy when you're constantly doing that).

Cyanogen doesn't ship with a full version of ThinkFree Office. I rather use an inbuilt Swype than the beta. It's more stable/integrated and it doesn't expire like clockwork. DLNA functionality. Daily Briefing does not exist in Stock Android. Social Hub - as I mentioned, doesn't exist. Codec support is different. Samsung made some of the stock apps aesthetically pleasing. The TouchWiz UI copies iOS heavily which looks better than Stock Android (part of the reason I got the Vibrant, as I was leaving AT&T and had a choice between Vz (Droid X) and T-Mobile Vibrant). The ROM is supported on the device so if I ever have to get the device serviced I won't have to reflash to stock etc. etc. before I bring it in/send it in - cause manufacturers love to find ways to avoid honoring the warranty.

Also, how long did it take Cyanogen to get to the Vibrant? Lots of people I know lost hope on that months ago because it was taking so long, and there were tons of threads *****ing about it in the Vibrant forum back then. There have been random issues with other ROMs (not widespread, but I didn't say they were).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Hating something doesn't mean you'll take a hit that big, especially when it can probably sell instantly to someone for $200+ on eBay.

Maybe your wift can trade her iPhone (assuming 4th gen) for the focus, though. If she wants it that bad, she'll ditch it for a focus...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Can someone close that thread now?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ikke008:
You can change bing intp google with a simple registry change...

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No one is forcing you to read threads. Stop trolling every thread with "can someone close it now" bull****.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Well the OP has clearly made up this mind and this is turning into an Android discussion in the WP7 section. Fine don't close the thread, move it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] km:
The galaxy i9000 (similare to the nexus s), was the reason why I bought a htc mozart.

So have fun, it was one of the worst phone I ever owned. lagy, phone stoped responding while checking mail for the next 5 minutes (no joke!)

So if you want an android phone, I wouldn't buy samsung :-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
You are comparing mandarines to oranges

sent from an android device
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I think this needs closing/moving too. So the person does not like the Focus and wants a Nexus S. What are we supposed to do? Talk the OP out of it? Sounds like the OP's mind is made up already.

So this belongs in the classifieds.

Or the Nexus S forum.

But definitely not the Windows Phone general forum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ManicDVLN:
I finally bought my Nexus S, and I have to say honestly that I like it muuuch better than my samsung focus wp7 phone.

Here are the main reasons:

- No color banding problems

- All the apps I want

- Can customize everything the way I want.

- No MMS issues

- Longer battery

- Multitasking

- Lots of tethering options

- No more stupid bing!

- Push is better, no more delays and frozen live tiles

- Messaging

- Flash

- Better security

- Google apps

- OTA updates

Here are the things I noticed Focus did better.

- WP7 phone seems a bit faster but I guess thats because it doesn't have multitasking yet. We'll see after mango.

- Focus WIFI and 3G antenna was stronger

- Browser is smoother.

- GUI looks cleaner

- WP7 booting is faster

- Virtual Keyboard seems better, less errors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
bing is actually pretty awesome, at least in the US. I don't know why a lot of people still don't realize this.

what do you mean by better security with android?
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
I read you are having better batterylife on NS.

How long can ur Nexus S hold with each charge?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Compared WP7, Android is a security disaster.

Dunno why anyone would say that. It destroys their credibility.

People are still trying to "jailbreak" NoDo :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You guys are battling opinions, no one wins. He like Nexus because he can customize it. Not because he has too. You like WP7 for your own reasons and rearranging tiles is enough for you.

As far as Bing and Google, they're pretty much the same now. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/01/microsofts-bing-caught-copying-google-search-results/
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
Please dont change your phone to Nexus S. We all gonna cry because of it... And btw thanks for the thread, really interesting... I really like this threads...
[Windows Phone 7 General] weatherx:
given MSFT's track record with nodo, i can't believe anyone still believes mango's coming in 4 months. MSFT is hammering the "two birds in the bush" home with update teases.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
This was proved to be false and is just Google being stupid.

It includes Yahoo

http://microsoft-news.com/bing-breaks-30-us-market-share-google-3-down/
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Besides the small fact that Bing is pretty unusable in most countries on Wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
the results are different but they're not any worse. All the searches I've done I have found on the first page on both bing and google.

I think bing maps is way ahead of google. Google must like it too since they're implementing things that bing has had for awhile. I've never had a problem navigating even using bing voice navigation on wm 6.5. google's mobile navigation is awesome, but MS will add that to WP in the future.

bing has never copied search results

read:

http://www.bing.com/community/site_...etting-the-record-straight.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0

http://searchengineland.com/bing-why-googles-wrong-in-its-accusations-63279

google manipulated the bing toolbar which collects browsing data. who knows if google uses their toolbar to improve search results, but their toolbar collects data as well.

most people who try it don't give it a chance. people don't like change but if they take the time to learn I bet most will be impressed. at first I didn't like it either. also, I think it was almost a year ago that bing made a big improvement to their search algorithm (one of the reasons why google accused bing of stealing results)

bing's market share is 30% and rising. u mad bro?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yahoo! Search is powered by Bing, so there's nothing wrong with them being included.

If you're searching Yahoo!, you're actually using Bing, rebranded :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freypal:
Since owning my WP7 I have converted to using Bing on dekstop too.

I have found it just as good if not better than google as far as results go. Bing maps on WP7 is fine in the UK too, always found what i wanted it to and the routing works.

Desktop Bing maps is much better for me personally due to the inclusion of Ordnance Survey maps. I do a lot of running cross country and having them available is a godsend. I hope the add this feature to Bing maps on WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I can use Bing or Google and don't see a huge difference between them, although Bing has more eye candy.

Bing Maps though is a whole different beast as it's utterly useless in most of the world. I can appreciate some nice things they do but without coverage and POIs that's all theoretical.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
If you check their advertising, they do have the word "built in" in there.

;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Did you actually read the article. It says that. Hence, my statement that they're pretty much the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
did you actually read these articles?

also, google was able to reproduce this only several times out of 100 even when trying to manipulate the results.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That may be true indeed so my point isn't precise.

But still valid IMO regarding the Word abilities.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Read the entire thing. Read Bing response and what they're using.

Never mind.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
And they're correct. No other mobile OSes have Office Built in. They all bundle third party applications. The closest other OS is Blackberry, and only because RIM owns DataVis now. But DTG is inferior to Office when it comes to document compatibility and that's what wins when it comes to mobile office suites.

Microsoft has been building Office Mobile into their mobile OS since PPC 2003, maybe even before then.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
There comes a point where you have to just give up. They can't accept the fact that Bing is just as good as their beloved Google, then they complain about Bing in Europe the same way Linux fans complain about Windows on the desktop (the same Linux fans that pirate Windows XP to play games, making the situation worse :P).
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Bing sucks

Just to show how Bing sucks compared to Google.

I'm afraid it will take them looooong time to match OR they'll just ditch it in favour of Ovi.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
just move to the USA bro
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
You're wasting your keystrokes, he's Anti-Microsoft dude, you can't take anything he says seriously here.

Bing is an amazing search engine, and considering how late it was to the party, its ability is impressive. Now that Microsoft is going to integrate all of their services together, I see Bing improving greatly, as WP and possibly W8 tablets will depend on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
We're arguing the search engine. Not maps. I think we all can agree that maps needs some improvement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Oh but don't cry :)

No dude, you're saying bull****. Just probably you don't read correctly.

Actually I'm quite opposite, I like MS, that's why I bought WP7.

Read my past devices. I was WM user. I use Windows OS on PC and just don't want anthing else.

It's just WP7 which is at current state unusable in many many countries.

You're so dumb you don't even look at my desktop screenshots above.

What will be it will be, but what IS IT IS - now. And it's discussed.

If you're endless fan using your device waiting for what is COMING in half a year that's fine.

Some others here have a different viewpoint.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Actually would be great man!

I have many many American friends. And one of my ex was American too.

Who knows!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Moving to the US may be a good or a bad idea depending on one's circumstances, but doing it to get better Bing experience would be, hmm, weird, to put it mildly. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
:D

Depends how big tech freak you are!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
That would be fanboyism even Steve Jobs can only dream about. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Listen man, the last thing I want to do is start name calling, I would hate for you to go hang yourself from one of your third world buildings in the countries you're obviously defending here, or attempting to, honestly. I'm stating the obvious from your posts in every single thread. I don't care what you own/buy/sell... Your posts speak for themselves... Viewpoint or not, you believe your "opinion" is God's word, or whoever it is you believe in
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You start to be rude again. And I start to have enough of your bull**** on this forum.

Either accept some obvious facts or just don't respond, nobody wants to read this crap here. Or heal your paranoia.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Isn't this what 90% of the forum has been telling you? Your opinions aren't facts. What you consider "beta" omissions aren't necessarily big deals for others. Even when you say office sucks, and someone refutes it, you come back to insist your view is the ultimate one. If you don't like the OS we have asked you many times to stop infecting every thread with your crap. I have honestly never seen you say one good thing about the phones, ever. You have a problem with everything....

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[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Not "we" but you.

Not "everything" but some things.

It's you insisting everything on the platform is working perfect when it's not.

General judgement can be made only based on it's overall performance wherever it's present, not just on one location.

And it's not true, I wrote many good things about the whole WP7.

You miss the point.

And it leads you to offending, personal insults like the "third world".

WTF is that??!! It's beyond any rules here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Lol, wow, dude, considering you insulted first, you're ridiculous. And if you'd like, I could quote multiple users who have echo'd my same feelings towards you

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[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Insulted where?

BTW don't you remember posts towards you?

It's you popping up here and there and starting this thing towards me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
You know what, you aren't worth it anymore buddy, enjoy your constant *****ing

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[Windows Phone 7 General] turbo.dex:
Yeah, use chevronwp7 & wp7 root tools on the Samsung and you can customize alot of things. Android security sucks compared to wp7. Tetherin I good on Android, but on the Samsung you get with USB via diagnosis. I lik both but wp7 is way faster and less cluttered for daily tasks. Office rocks,lack of email threading sucks though. The integrated Bing is ultra nice. In 5 -10 seconds I can find anything from the time I press search. Ni lag and it work. You need to spend more time with the phone to appreciate the os. My $ 0.02
[Windows Phone 7 General] ManicDVLN:
Wow, just came back to check up this forum. talk about flame wars!

I have used all 4 platforms. Android does not look as clean as WP7 but looks nicer than BB OS but gives as good of app integration within its OS as BB.

WP7 is by far the worst in app integration. Every app works for itself. Like I cant send a link to a third party messenger. If I click on a twitter link it doesn't open my twitter app.

I hate iOS, call me hater or anything you want. I just hate everything apple makes. It's such a closed system I feel almost like I log into a gaming console.

I can guarantee you now, that the surprise 2.3.4 android update will arrive much much sooner than Mango.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Google will push updates much faster, however, all of them are BETAs:D

Also I'm wonder answer to this question:

How long can ur Nexus S hold with each charge?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
the "old" nexus one can stay charged for over a week. of course I have a 2400mah battery and switched to edge, but after the tornados here, lots of things are necessary.

switching to a powder saving profile, with a double size battery will yield very good usage, for a smart phone.

I'm sure this is possible on any platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Superb! So please, why don't you just say it in your mind and don't waste the space here with sensless responses. Thanks.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zch_fernando:
I've been trying to determine which apps are eating my data plan, and I've found several information about which apps can I use...also using the service menu *#*#3646#*#* or something like that that shows that information.

The apps I've tried are TrafficStats, SPB Wireless Monitor and some other alike, but the problem is that none of them are showing me the information about network usage BY APP. I'm using Wolfbreak's v.54, so I don't know if maybe that's the issue. Should I got back to stock 2.1 if I want to have the network usage tracked by app, or is there a way to get this working in a custom rom (Wolfbreak)?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skyband123:
Hi guys, just moved on from owning a desire to a dhd. Only had it for about an hour and i want to root and flash a custom rom onto it. Just a few questions though.

The phone is sim free and not locked to any network and it is running 2.2.1. Now i know that i am going to have to downgrade it first but will i need to create a goldcard first?

software number is 1.72.405.3

thanks.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkoljo:
Goldcard is not needed.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j2kquest:
If you search the desire HD development forum for jkoljo, hes put together a sweet one click root /s-off tool
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] technicolour:
i had a minor fall and checked if my phone was ok. it could boot in the splash screen and boot animation then i just shuts down. i suspected that i was low on batt.At home, i tried to charge it but nth happens. no charging sign or whatsover. Could not enter bootloader or anything. Just wondering if i would loose my root if i send it to HTC or will they just fix the hardware prob? Hoping for a quick reply thx:)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Chances are they'd fix it and put official software back on it as they'd turn the phone on to make sure it's working. Can't be sure though
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asp2010:
Would they service the device if it's rooted?

Asking because I'm not willing to S-OFF my device should I ever need to use the warranty. However, if I don't have problems with having it serviced, I might give it a try :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lucdeb97:
It doesn't work (I get the message "not enough memory" but I have 640MB on sd-ext), how to get it working? any known issues for ext3 partition ?

thanks.

HTC G1/Dream 32B

DangerSPL 1.33.2005

Recovery: Amon-RA-dream-v1.6.2

Radio: 2.22.23.02

SuperE 1.0.3

Luc
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwuerz:
I highly recommend ADS Magpie which is the best ROM on the G1 and it includes built in apps2ext.

Plus... Who wouldn't want some gingerbread action...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9870397/android/ADS_magpie/index.html
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lucdeb97:
thanks a lot, I don't need gingerbread stuff but why not?, but do you think my radio and spl are ok for this? and are gapps already included o r not?

byez
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lucdeb97:
Hi jwuerz, I flashed the (last?) release ADS_magpie-20110416-1-signed.zip, pretty good indeed but I don't see the notification bar , Spare Parts, the market and the setting for google account. any suggestion? ADS_magpie-20110416-signed.zip perhaps doesn't suffer these problems?

byez
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Veridor:
I'm definitely excited that this new radio firmware has been leaked, but my dilemma is thus:

My wife and I both have Thunderbolts. I've rooted mine, thrown on custom ROMs, kernels, etc, but hers is stock. Her battery life is MUCH worse on stock than mine, even with the brightness, sync, etc turned down, so she's about to the point of wanting me to root/flash hers too.

Unfortunately, we may have to return her phone as the speakerphone is all but unusable due to feedback/noise issues while in a call. I know it's fairly simple to return a phone to stock, and Verizon can't tell over the air what ROM or kernel you're using, but from what I can gather, they CAN tell what radio version you're using. If I have to return her phone for warranty issues, will they see that she's had the leaked radio firmware and thus deny the claim?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ckochinsky125:
if you are going to return it why go through the hassle of rooting and what not just return it then root the new one and install the new radio version.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bibble13:
I agree. Just return the phone now if you are having problems.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Veridor:
I concur, but Verizon is giving me the runaround as I have yet to be able to reproduce the issue for them over the phone or in store. My main concern wasn't so much with rooting and flashing, but more of whether to use the "unauthorized" radio firmware update.

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