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[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Sorry, but this just isn't true. I've tried both of the both of the browsers mentioned above, among others, and every one has had similarly bad levels of keyboard lag. It isn't just my experience, either. Numerous other people have reported the exact same experience.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
Eh? "Asus did something with 3.1, so their version is not full compartible with Flash". What do you mean by that exactly? Sounds like you have read something I haven't. Got a link?

I don't own those 3 devices I mentioned, only the TF, but I've compared my TF side by side with friends who own the other tablets. Visually they're all fine with stock 3.1 @720p. I'm sure if you benchmarked them somehow they'd all be slightly different ofc. Sometimes they can chug playing flash vids, but that's usually down to buffering or connection issues than the TF itself.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dmarden:
Obviously experiences will differ to some degree, but we have a Xoom and a TF in my house and they both play the test video near identically. Both are stock and unrooted. Both on 3.1.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] staveflyer:
updating to 3.1

I just got the TFon the 5th (happy birthday to me) and it has 3.0.

I tried system updating a millions times; It does not care.

I tried going to the asus website while on my TF, I can't download.

Should I just DL to an SD card? Sorry, I'm such a n00b to this stuff. Just got my EVO the way I wanted it (rooted) but I am scared to root my TF just yet and want to stick with stock until I am more familiar.

thanks!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jmkhenka:
keyboard lag is a issue with other android devices, even the sgs2 has that issue with certain webpages.

I just think there is something with prediction or forms in forums that is the issue. Some browsers handle the input box diffrent but the stock android browser HAS issues no matter the hardware platform it runs on.

So keyboard lag is a android issue. I have seen it on all android tablets and phones I have tried. Some people just choose to not see it (just as with the bad FPS in playback of hd or even SD-media, ignorance is a bliss they say).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
@jmkhenka

I think you meant to quote someone else, as I didn't say anything about keyboard lag. :p That's also listed in things needing a fix.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
You know what's sad about this entire Flash 720p thing? My ipad 2, using iswifter, plays 720p youtube videos WAY better than my Transformer... oh the cruel irony.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
For an extra 25% more expensive than the Transformer despite the order-of-magnitude higher volume sales that *should* translate to a significantly lower price tag, I should bl**dy well hope so!

Heck, if I paid that much for a tablet, I'd expect it to come with a butler service to find and launch the YouTube videos for me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
The fact that the apps are FAR superior on the ipad can easily justify the extra cost - not to mention the fact that the build quality is leaps and bounds over the Transformer.

Want some high quality games, get an ipad. Want high quality apps, get an ipad. Want apps to work without worrying about your device having issues, get an ipad. I'm no apple fan - not by a long shot - but the Ipad offers far more than Android tablet in many regards.

My point about bringing up flash on the ipad is that it's not even supported on the device and it runs better than our "optimized ", "approved" , "certified" flash devices.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cvfl:
You want Steve Jobs to filter content and decide what's best for you, get an iPad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Of course, the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
They both play with lots of dropped frames and low framerates on 720p?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jake21:
I noticed thta flash aps that require input don't work (you can't enter characters to these websotes; quite annoying; not sure if this is new with 3.1).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] GwynBleidd:
720p is played great via YouTube app, as good as your iswifter. We're talking about Flash playback in browser that's poor - but at least TF CAN load Flash in the browser, something that Apple users will never have.

And flash videos is only a scratch on the surface, why don't you try to visit something like ecodazoo.com or monet2010.com from your iPad2?

:D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Apple users CAN load flash using iswifter (it's a web browser) and what I was saying is iswifter allows for better flash playback on an ipad than our "approved" Android Honeycomb tablets. I'm not talking just youtube, I mean all flash plays better on the ipad using iswifter... it's quite frustrating to see, considering we should have the best flash playback.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
I don't suppose there is an iSwifter for Android? ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
I don't think it is playing 720p video in the Youtube app. At least I have not been able to verify it. Anyhow I think the Youtube app uses HTML5 not Flash. If you set the stock browser to HTML5 in your Youtube preferences it will also play smooth. Because it's not using Flash. Now go to a site like Vimeo which is all Flash and video plays terribly.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I just tried both sites on my Transformer and ipad 2. Ecodazoo loaded and worked perfectly on the ipad 2, but it got stuck on loading at about 30% on my Transformer for many minutes and then I gave up. The monet2010 site worked on both devices, but was MUCH smoother on the ipad 2....

Now, I just found out that iswifter is $2.99 / month - not a $2.99 app. This is a dealbreaker for me, but those who only have apple devices might want to make the investment for a very good flash experience. There are other browsers which play flash on the ipad, but without a trial, I'm not going to purchase them just to test. I juse my ipad 2 for gaming anyways, not web surfing ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
I must be the odd guy out here, because I have yet to find a Flash video that I really care about watching at 720p on my TF. That's just an observation, and not meant to minimize the importance of seeing this fixed--but for me, it's mainly because I wonder where else the system might not be optimized and affecting performance.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Sounds like you have network or wifi issues. I just tried it here and it took precisely 33 seconds to load on my stock 3.1 Transformer with stock browser and standard Adobe Flash installed, and 19 seconds on my (very fast) desktop PC. And that's with Octoshape high quality streaming audio playing and a significant portion of my network bandwidth being used for bittorrent currently. Was my network not busy, it might well have loaded quicker (on both PC and tablet.)

I'd say that's not a bad performance at all. And once loaded, the flash is pretty fast and responsive, an occasional momentary stutter like a single frame was missed, but that's all. I'm actually quite impressed given that it's 3D rendered in real time from (inefficient) flash.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I just tried Ecodazoo again using the stock browser (I was using Maxthon earlier) and it loaded and worked fine, but still not as good as iswifter + the ipad 2. That being said, I remember this site giving me problems loading with my Archos 70 as well - same problem with getting stuck loading.

In any case, the flash performance is certainly not optimized on our devices and I hope that it get's sorted out in a future update :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] itsuptoyou:
Hope to improve video playback capability
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PePPeRmix:
exelent :cool:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] GwynBleidd:
Now with fixed flash Tf just flies through ecodazoo as well as any 720p videos without having to resort to an outside replacement browser prerendering stuff through their servers which is also subscription based.

GG sir :-)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I'd question whether there *is* any "fixed flash". Or rather, whether Adobe hasn't already fixed the stock flash in their last "security update" a week or two ago, and nobody picked up on it at the time.

I've seen the thread re: "fixing" flash by installing a patched version, then removing it, but I'm fairly confident that the entire thing is snake oil.

Reason being, I tried the YouTube test on my tablet before making any change, and I *already* get a reasonably steady 30-31 frames per second at 720p.

See here for more:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15582446&postcount=36

(and incidentally, as I said 1-2 days ago, Ecodazoo was already pretty impressively fast for me in the stock browser, too.)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I don't know if the hulu apk did anything or simply installing flash and restalling did it, but I'm getting over 30fps now on 720p videos in my browser! Amazing. So there must be a bug somewhere that turns off optimization somewhere.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Did you test before the hulu / reinstall stuff?

Because I did, and never did the hulu / reinstall stuff, and I'm getting 30fps. And I'm not alone, at least one other person has posted the exact same experience in the other thread.

So chances are, the hulu / reinstall did nothing, and you probably were already getting 30fps. My guess is you've been getting it since the last Flash update was put out 1-2 weeks ago.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Yes, I tested before doing all that and I was getting 4-6FPS on 720p using the youtube test vid. Not sure if it's "fixed" other sites that use non-youtube flash videos, but some improvement is better than none :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
My guess is this user has hit the nail on the head as to what fixed your issue:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15584323&postcount=49

Most likely your flash uninstall / reinstall caused a corrupted cache to be rebuilt.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Not sure... I clean my cache often, but only delete app data if there is an obvious problem. Why would the cache/data in the stock browser influence flash performance in Opera?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
It wouldn't influence Opera, but according to others (I don't use Opera), even folks who see smooth video in other browsers get jerky video in Opera.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Nope, I'm getting 30fps in opera too... I don't care what fixed it, but something did the trick :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] GwynBleidd:
Well, to me it doesn't matter how exactly it was - was it fixed flash, or something that we (as a whole community) might have overlooked - the fact is that there is no browser Flash problem anymore (not that it was a problem for me before, but it's nice to see 720p running smooth either way);
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
For sure, the less folks have to complain about, the happier I'll be. ;-)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
I have been using the TF now for 1 month and apparently my screen died. I had the SOD and could get into the APX mode but not even the small message on the screen "entering recovery mode" would show up. So I took it back to TigerDirect and replaced it. I did have a B5 and now a B6. For whatever reason it has not shown up with the OTA HC 3.1 update. I am more than willing to manual update it but I am just wondering if there is any downside? I have read the threads on this issue and I was able to go and register my TF so I know it is not the "invalid serial number" issue. I will manually update to HC 3.1 if there is no downside such as not getting any future OTA updates. Not sure what gives... My info is:

Android Version 3.0.1

Build Number HRI66.US_epad-8.2.3.13-20110511

Any thoughts?

*EDIT*

Alright, did the manual update and all good. Now shows:

Android Version 3.1

Build Number HMJ37.US_epad-8.4.4.5-20110527

Odd, just 16 days difference in my build date... I wonder if anyone else with build 20110511 experienced this non-OTA issue...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] zillah1985:
Posted this elsewhere's but feel like it needs to be said here:

Looks like keyboard lag is a symptom of a poorly built stock browser in honeycomb. (Not Asus's fault) The Xoom has the same problem with the stock keyboard.

And 3.2 doesn't fix it.

Video of Xoom with 3.2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn8iBsEX4LE

And yet, Opera doesn't have this lag! WTF Google!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Replied elsewhere, but feel like it needs to be replied here. ;-)

It's not just the stock browser; every browser I've tried has had similar degrees of lag, and that included Opera when I tried it. (Possible an update since then has improved it, I've removed Opera as I don't much like it.)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
LOL, just not feeling any OTA love... I am now waiting on my Xoom HC 3.2 update and nothing there either... The irony...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I believe the lag only affects browsers which use webkit for rendering (stock browser, dolphin, maxthon, etc.). I get no lag on Firefox or opera... in fact I was playing a typing test game on opera and was getting 60-70 WPM with very high accuracy. There's no way I could do that in a laggy browser! LOL
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
You did see where I said I experienced the same level of lag when I tried Opera, right?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Yes, and what I said was I didn't... and many don't. Was your lag from using the keyboard dock or a softkeyboard? Third-party or Asus software keyboard? Perhaps the lag was caused by your configuration.

Sent my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Both Asus software keyboard and physical dock keyboard.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
That's too bad :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Not the end of the world, I'm sure it'll be sorted eventually. I don't often use the tablet for forums, and that's pretty much the only place it's unusable for me. Works fine where I need it to.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josephislee:
Will test out opera for typing lag :D

Edit: Opera comepletely eliminates typing lag on the keyboard!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fezza:
Just received a new HC3.1 OTA update (US Transformer), changes are:

Build: 8.4.4.11-20110711

GPS: 1.3.2

WiFi: 5.1.50

Kernel: 2.6.36.3-00011-g3eb19ec
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AcidCool2K:
Same here after manually check system upgrade. Not sure what this upgrade entail. Any idea?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] HasC:
I have also just had the update after manually checking, it seemed like a small update as the download was not that large, anyone knows what the changeling is?

Edit: i have added a screenshot to show changes.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
Has the mobile dock firmware been upgraded in your new updated version at all?

Also does anyone know where the update gets saved once you download it please? I'll rip it from the device if anyone knows.

EDIT: I'm assuming it's the dlpkgfile in /cache.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] HasC:
The mobile dock firmware is still the same, not sure if it is early days yet but i left the Transformer on the dock and checked battery levels, Transformer was at 96% and dock about 42%, when I returned and switched the power back on after about an hour, the values were still the same.

This could mean that the dock is not continually charging the Transformer like it used to and hopefully is not draining the battery like it used to before the update. Time will tell I suppose.

As to your second question, I have no idea where the update was downloaded to.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Biffy:
I have updated to the new firmware too. My tablet and dock were at 99 / 96% respectively. One hour later, left on standby with wifi off, they were 99 / 94%.

Not sure if that is good or bad really.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
Ok thanks for the info. I found the file in /cache. It's about 15mb. Looking at it now.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] HasC:
Did you reset your Transformer using the method where you press and hold the power button until the Transformer switches off and then restart? This process usually makes some noticable changes after a firmware update for some users, I know it did for me with the 3.1 update.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] BrainB0ne:
I think the Asus MyLibrary E-Reader app has also been updated to version 1.0.1.

Asus MyLibrary: Dutch language support has been added.

Asus MyLibrary: There are counters visible on the categories.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
Was already 1.0.1 in the last update. Thanks for reporting the other things. What is the SKU of your device please?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] BrainB0ne:
I never checked the version number of the MyLibrary app before, until I saw that Dutch language has been added and the counters :)

My SKU is: 90OK06W2100330Y
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
I meant the country code SKU version. :) It's in Settings>About and it's in the build number. For example: WW,US,TW, etc. It's just so I can check you don't have a new one, as Asus have put out a few region specific versions lately. Thanks.

EDIT: still half asleep, didnt mean to add 'UK' sku code. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] BrainB0ne:
Ah, sorry :)

Build number is: HMJ37.WW_epad-8.4.4.11-20110711
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Biffy:
No I didn't do that or know it can help. Will try it out.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jaytman7:
Navigating with ES File Explorer has become much faster, and watching a video now loads immediatey instead of the standard 5 to 10 second delay. I also notice that if you look at ALL under "Manage Applications" there is a Mobile Network Configuration application which has the new build as its version number? Maybe this is a build for the network enabled transformers due out soon?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] devilpera64:
What i've to do for have latest OTA on my TF? i've stock 3.1 + Root + Netformer 1.5 kernel. If i try to install it using CWM i've an error and i can't finish process. If i am in system it won't recognize the update, and also if i try to serch it manually. I tried to reinstal the update client, but nothing...i'm boring and sad for this...:( all ppl have installed it, and nobody want help me to solve.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
Details in first post for installing on a rooted device.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] devilpera64:
I downloaded your dump, but i don't know how install it. Any suggestion? i red the main page of topic but i don't found nothing where download manually this new small update. Can you help me? for root TF is the same?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] craig540:
I am trying to update now, stuck at the screen with exclamation with a triangle and the green android. Is this normal, how long should this take.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] devilpera64:
That's an error..it can't update your device. Have you stock rom with root and CWM with modded kernel or not?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mike5065:
not sure if this has been posted already

the asus ftp site appears to have a new file, dated july 11, 90MB. i didn't see it there yesterday.

i'm downloading it now.... but i already have the OTA....

nice work asus.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nascar Dog:
That link doesn't work...

Can you post the file on a file sharing site?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] craig540:
Well I'm not sure, I have tried to root but not sure it was done. I can not run titanium update so I assume I an not rooted . But I did complete the clockworksmod.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] david279:
thats a kernel not a rom.....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] craig540:
I powered down and rebooted and now have

3.1

Gps 1.3.2

Wifi V 5.1.50

Bluetooth 6.17

Kernel 2.6.36.3-00001-gf377a2b android@mercury #1

Build HMj37.US_epad-8.4.4.11-20110711

So I have the update except my kernel is wrong.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mike5065:
correct. my download shows source code.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nascar Dog:
I just un-rooted my TF and applied the latest OTA update (8.4.4.11) from ASUS.

Two very obvious changes are:

A fancy new "Powered by NVIDIA Tegra" logo on the bottom of the screen when first powering on.

A spinning circle of white balls during the boot process.

Cool new boot animation :)

They also got rid of the speaker pop/click sound when booting. :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AllTheWay:
What method did you use to un-root?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nascar Dog:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1093403

Works very well :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kermode:
If does if you use modern software, ie, something which does ftp
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nascar Dog:
My bad, I was trying to access it from my TF. :o

No problem in Windows 7 :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kanashii:
Anyone checked if battery drain problems (with dock) are gone?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kingbongo:
Bluetooth no longer working since latest OTA update

is it just me or is this affecting others? since the update yesterday I can no longer switch on bluetooth?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] devilpera64:
Is possible to apply this update just coping all files inside the specific folder.?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] HasC:
No problems with bluetooth here.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sadlerpdx:
New OTA

Just received my update. I don't remember having the google Video app but after my system booted there is was (unrooted). Also, I fill like the default browser is running much smoother. XDA has always given me trouble on my TF but after the update everything seems great. With that, some of my settings in my browser changed in the process.

The last thing that I have noticed was less lag with the keyboard however that seemed to be before filling out this comment box which has been rather painful: )
[Eee Pad Transformer General] purekillforce:
root with stock rom

can anybody tell me if i can run this update without unrooting? running stock rom, no Clockwork or anything else. Just root access.

Not unrooted before so would rather not go through the hassle if it is avoidable.

Also, i contacted Asus a week ago about the Xbox controllers not working. They said it would be fixed in an update at the end of the week (last friday) so that may also be something that has been fixed. anybody confirm? i will find out if i get the update.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Nascar Dog:
Nope, you gotta un-root it first.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] BigNerdBlog:
My BT turns on and off fine since the update.

I think the battery thing got worse... just used it this morning for a few minutes after a full night's charge and dock down to 88%... that usually doesn't happen until mid-day or later.

I think the WiFi was improved, before it had problems when I switched between two networks, I had to turn off WiFi and turn on again... now it seems to work fine (will know once I switch back to my home network tonight).

The scrolling between pages seems smoother, someone mentioned typing is better but I still see the lag on the stock browser so I'm still going to use Opera.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mug2k:
I'm too scared to update mine because of the other thread where it bricked someone's transformer.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
Pretty sure they modified theirs, or forgot to re-lock before updating. Or there was a power fluctuation during the update.

It's recommended to update on battery power with at least a 50% charge. Chances of 'bricking' a stock unit are slim to zero.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Is there still a ~2 second lag to capture a still image after pressing the shutter, or has that been improved too?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
It's the same as before and that probably wont change as it takes that time to focus. There's no flash to help it out in darker areas. It's quicker to focus on brightly lit scenes/objects.