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[HTC Sensation] rjayflo:
Comparisons should be Atrix or GS2. Maybe biased cause I have the Atrix but I also own CM7 Cappy. Its only right to compare the newer phones with similar specs...IMO the comp is Atrix & SGS2
[HTC Sensation] dhruvmalik:
Yes, I think you can put the Atrix up there with the comparison list. Although the locked bootloader and what not is a turn off for people.
[HTC Sensation] XDA mark:
You are totally right.

And one more thing to add (or maybe I missed it since I just woke up)

Camera. Now we can't know this for sure, but Samsung usually had better camera's then HTC. On GSMArena they showed that the SGSII camera is very good, so chances are the Sensation wont achieve that good camera performance.
[HTC Sensation] rjayflo:
HTC is following in the locked boatloader footsteps. Seems like SE and Samsung are the only 2 to keep their BL's unlockable. But I do think the Sensation will be unlocked eventually

Motola Atrix

Samsung Captivate - CM7 1.2 ghz

Motorola Backflip - CM6
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Any word on whether or not the GPS on the SGS II will actually work? ;)

Sorry, had to get that one in there. All kidding aside, the Vibrant and all its quirks left me with an extremely negative impression of Samsung mobile products. I ended up selling the Vibrant and getting the HTC Glacier (MyTouch 4G). I've never looked back. Add me to the list of Sensation buyers.
[HTC Sensation] amm009uk:
As much as I love HTC phones the speakers are crap and I'm in the sun a lot so the AMOLED screen should help. I suppose the only thing I can loose is SENSE (yes I like it) so I'll try ADW and Launcher Pro now to prepare for the possible switch.

I didn't think the DHD camera is that bad but then I haven't tried SGS.

Good thread pushing the SGS2 in the Sensation section:)
[HTC Sensation] DeezNotes:
I'm really surprised at all the people so excited for a Samsung phone. It reminds me of when I did my research on my Fascinate and figured 1) if the software sucks, xda will be to the rescue; 2) since the galaxy s series was a global launch, even if the phones were slightly different, the code between each variant should be too far off so that should also help with coding other roms; 3) the internal hardware kicks so much ass it HAS to out-perform any phone that comes out in the next few months and should definitely hold me over for the next year.

Here we are 6 months later and I'm looking to switch. Part of our software issues with the fascinate may have been carrier-based, but from what I understand Samsung has horrible developers that do wacky **** and makes it a pain in the ass to deal with. Out the box the phone had a bunch of bugs that shouldn't have been overlooked.

There are a lot of HTC people excited to get this new Samsung phone. My advice would be to wait at least a day or 3 after launch to see how that **** goes down, because I know there's a LOT of people who will never buy a Samsung ever again.

Your issues with HTC might not be as bad as you think. Oh, and yes... samoled it nice in the sun, bit its murder on your battery.. and there's nothing you can do about it. This slcd is doing almost as good (surprisingly), and I'm not missing samoled one bit.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
@DeezNotes:

I couldn't agree more. When the Vibrant was announced, I couldn't wait to get my hands on it, despite the fact that all the Behold II owners were warning me to stay away from Samsung. I bought the Vibrant anyway, and got rid of that sloppy mess (in terms of software/firmware) of a phone as soon as the MT4G came out. The buggy programming (GPS anyone?) and the lag-inducing RFS system, as well as the lack of timely/functional support from the manufacturer, have really turned me off to Samsung products. Sensation, here I come.

I am not too familiar with the Fascinate - is it true that Samsung still hasn't released the official 2.2 update for that phone?

#NeverAgain
[HTC Sensation] ecardwell1:
I have a vibrant that I upgraded to when it first came out. I am now so irritated/frustrated with all the issues with the Samsung Vibrant, it will be my last. I will happily pay full price out of pocket when the Sensation comes out in the US. I know each manufacturer has their shortcomings but I can never get past Samsung. HTC all the way.
[HTC Sensation] Spartoi:
I've got a Vibrant as well and couldn't be happier.
[HTC Sensation] DeezNotes:
The Fascinate just got 2.2 a day or two ago. What really irritates me is that I purchased the car dock and home dock for the phone. Both docks had audio output jacks with stickers over them saying "this doesn't work now, but will work after the 2.2 update." This had me thinking, ok... good... froyo is on the horizon so it shouldn't take too long. Froyo was JUST released and there are still a TON of bugs that were present in the froyo leaks we've had for some time now.

You would think Samsung would read the forums and see what bugs us "guinea pigs" found and clean up the code - not a chance.

Good luck with those Samsung phones... and I really mean that. /no sarcasm
[HTC Sensation] woldy2:
Samsung doesnt support their phones very well, if at all. I learned that the hard way...never again will i go samsung phone...the phone may be good, but dont look forward to any updates in a timely manner
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
How long are you going to keep your phone for? Do you want it to be outsated first? Your SGS 2 will have superior hardware that will last a long time!

This may turn out like the htc desire vs sgs

Sgs has better hardware, but htc is better all-rounder (htc sense)

your choice ;)

I sohuld alos warn you that the sgs 2 battery life will be far better than the sensation (bigger capacity, less powered, screen resolution lower etc etc)
[HTC Sensation] ayosopov:
Why there is not an HDMI output like at HTC EVO 4G ?
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
yeah agreed, I really think that samsung has learned alot from the previous generation and listened to their unhappy customers for their Galaxy S II (ext4 FS, good GPS, LED Flash, best hardware etc...) unlike HTC that is still doing the same mistakes all over again (disapointing hardware, poor screen technology, poor battery, bad cameras) that will make, just like for the original galaxy S, dissapointed HTC users switch for samsung and make their flagship best selling android phones ever (10Millions and counting for galaxy S phones)

EDIT : And for the one that talks about poor updates support : I'm enjoyin gingerbread on my Galaxy S for one month now.. c'mon that's a known fact that all that issue isn't related to samsung in any way, crappy US carriers are to blame for that, that's a known fact now !

Samsung is even THE FIRST manacturer to update officially its phones to android 2.3, yeah even ahead of HTC, I think that it's a nice response that sammy is sending to all of its detractor

so really don't worry about updates ;)
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
THis should put most of your doubts to bed..... 1st gen may have had some serious issues but the 2nd gen looks to have sorted them all out.

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/04/22/samsung-galaxy-s-2-review/
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
and this should drive the nail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piPZWJzorBU
[HTC Sensation] ahmadx:
For build Quality i will go for Sensation

For display i will go for GS2
[HTC Sensation] mkrmec:
It's not even a question... Galaxy S2 wins in everything against crappy Sensation.

I'm going for the Galaxy S2 if it has a open bootloader. I'd rather see Samsung truly release open source drivers of the phone, then it would be perfect.

Sensation is a piece of crap phone if you ask me. I hate the aluminum body .. one bad drop and it's all bent up, 1 GB of storage???, qHD display is probably crap compared with SuperAMOLED+, I don't even wanna talk about the battery and encrypted/signed bootloader on the Sensation, etc etc....
[HTC Sensation] mkrmec:
Still people think that unibody is better... it's not true. I had a desire HD and 1 nexus one, and now i have a SGS before that I'm kinda clumsy and drop my phones.

I wrecked the desire HD and nexus with 1 drop!! Aluminium all dented up and the phone opens like a flower where it drops!! it sucks.

The SGS dropped atleast 5 times and it's still NOT destroyed, a scratch here and there but that's all.

So I'd have to say... build quality of Sensation is crap against SGS2
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
why for any particular reason did you go from the dhd to sgs?
[HTC Sensation] DeezNotes:
That review makes the phone appear to be a decent contender - especially with its internal processing. Again, it reminded me a lot about the original Galaxy S launch. At the time, I felt that no other phone could touch that one.

Now I see a lot of you are not in the states, which could explain a bit of the difference between some of us who don't want to deal with the US carriers and/or Samsung. The original Galaxy S owners have 2.3 already where some of us were still [officially] on 2.1 some days/weeks/months ago - do you even remember what 2.1 is like or the features it lacks!?

In any case, I still want to wait and see what happens this go round with Samsung. I actually do HOPE they get their act together for us US subscribers. And I hope that these other manufacturers are paying close attention to what we (Android users) want and do not want. If they conform to their user-base, it'll only get better - no matter what brand phone you prefer.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
The hardware on the SGS2 isn't that much superior. In fact, the resolution of the Sensation's display is considerably better than SGS2, and the Adreno 220 more than holds its own against the SGS2 graphics processor.

As far as the battery life is concerned, the SGS2 does have a higher capacity battery. However, the SAMOLED display is a battery hog. I can easily get at least 36 hours from the MT4G battery (1420 mAh), whereas the battery on my old Vibrant (1500 mAh) barely lasted 12 hours.

First there was the Behold 2. Then there was the SGS. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
Ah, but the SGS 2 Orion CPU is more efficient?

Also the SAMOLED PLUS has better efficincy than the old amoled.

I thought the mali 400 gpu was better than the adreno 220?

Also the sense ui 3.0 will be an eye candy battery hog.. and it has less RAM...
[HTC Sensation] ayosopov:
How do I'll output videos to my tv ?
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
both features a Micro USB MHL port

more infos :

http://armdevices.net/2011/02/13/samsung-galaxy-s2-tab2-details-infos-release-dates/
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
So.. which phone are you getting? Sensation or Samsung S II?
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Sorry I forgot to quote him but I were responding to "ayosopov" who's asking about TV output

Which one ? Well first I think the Sammy is too good of phone to pass and I have already pre-ordered it but i will surely give the sensation a shot as it will launch mid-may at the vodafone operator here in france and see if the Sense 3.0 is worth all the cons it has in the hardware department
[HTC Sensation] ayosopov:
Can Samsung Galaxy S 2 run 1080p MKV ?

I read that it can run 1080p MP4 files.

Thanks.
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Yes it can read it. I read in the GSMArena preview that it eats 1080p mkv videos for breakfast :D

It is the ONLY phone on the market that can do so, because all other dual core phone even with third party video players can't read them as they will not be hardware accelerated and therefore be choppy / unwatchable
[HTC Sensation] ayosopov:
Why one of these phones don't support NFC?

Why it won't be able to cook a ROM with sense to galaxy s ?

Thanks.
[HTC Sensation] :
Gpu is actually weaker than the vibrants humming bird. The CPU is highly efficient. And amount of ram doesn't really matter. It is not that much more. Unused ram is wasted on android. HTC usually uses a cpu/gpu combination that compliments each other. Quadrant standard the sg2 scored over 3000 quadrant standard only uses one core. Htc sense is new so we will see how much on a resource hog it really is soon.
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
1)I wouldn't actually say its weaker, its just there is no benchmark yet that can correctly read a quad core GPU (mali 400)..... maybe the benchmark tool used is not up to date for a quad-core graphics processor and was only reading one of the cores, I just don't see how a quad core GPU can be slower. We willl just have to wait and see.

2)As for the CPU, I think it will be considerably faster......snapdragon is from the previous generation Architecture (Desire HD, Galaxy S etc), it is an ARM Cortex A8 dual core vs ARM Cortex A9 dual core in the Exynos and the TEGRA 2.

3) You can never have enough RAM.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Here's my personal opinion. Regardless of how the SGSII looks on paper, I just don't trust Samsung to make a quality product whose basic functionality functions the way it was intended and to provide timely updates/patches and product support. Let's not forget releasing the Galaxy S series with a well-documented bug (GPS) and dragging their feet to fix it. Those of you who have had positive experiences with Samsung, enjoy the SGSII. I really hope that you get everything you expect out of that phone.

Here's an example from my personal experience, not related to phones. I normally prefer to fly American or JetBlue, but have had the misfortune of flying Delta on three separate occasions. All three times, I have experienced delays of greater than 4 hours, two of them caused by mechanical problems with the planes, one of which resulted in my luggage getting lost for 3 days. While many others praise Delta for the quality of their service, do you think that, based on my experience, I will ever fly Delta again? Same goes for Samsung.
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
OMG... FOR THE LAST TIME : SAMSUNG ISN'T RELATED IN ANY WAY TO YOUR DALAYED UPDATES , SAMSUNG IS ACTUALY THE FIRST MANUFACTURER IN THE WORLD TO PROVIDE OFFICIAL GINGERBREAD UPDATES FOR HIS PHONES ! GO SPLIT ON YOUR CRAPPY US CARRIERS THAT WANT TO ADD THEIR CRAPWARE TO STOCK SAMSUNG UPDATES !!

EDIT : is it clear enough this time ?
[HTC Sensation] nikzDHD:
No wolfson in this phone it's using a yamaha audio chip.

Swyped from my Desire HD using XDA App
[HTC Sensation] kolyan:
I think this might change with Sensation. At least they advertise it as multimedia phone with good sound and excellent camera.
[HTC Sensation] Huck33:
faut pas t'enerver poulet :D

you can check video from androidcentral of teh HTC

http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-roadshow-hands-htc-sensation

and benchmarks of SGS2...

http://domarmstrong.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-galaxy-s-2-benchmark-tests.html

won't help to make a choice
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
First of all, don't shout. It makes you seem childish and immature.

Second of all, it sounds like you have some Samsung stock in your portfolio! Read my post again - I wasn't referring to the 2.2 update fiasco. Moreover, Samsung released four (count them - FOUR) different versions of the Galaxy S in the U.S., thereby necessitating different software versions to operate with each individual handset's functionality. Then again, I guess that's the fault of the crappy U.S. carriers, am I right?

Bottom line is that Samsung released a deeply flawed product and tried to sugarcoat it with PR releases. Let's also not forget the Behold II disaster, where Samsung sold the phone under the premise of it being updated to Eclair, then dropped the ball after 1.6.

If I insulted your favorite manufacturer, I am not sorry. You are making troll-like posts in an HTC thread, so be prepared to deal with the replies (or, as we say in our crappy America, take your lumps). If you like Samsung, good for you. Just don't try to shove your opinion down the throats of those who disagree.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Guys, what is up with the Samsung peoples? I mean if you like TouchWiz than by all means buy what you want. You don't see HTC people going in your thread and talk smack... This is HTC Sensation thread for people who like to. Buy build quality and Sense UI.
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Wey un francey :D

Oui mais c'est quand même grave comment il m'ont saouler a tjrs répeter la même chose qd mm ca m'a défouler

HTC Sensation hands on video of the androidcentral link up :

[youtube]UGRRkv0nS5U[/youtube]

The new sense is pretty nice, it has cool animation and all but overall choppy performance from when he enabled a live wallpaper is a bit scary for a phone (mid may for france) that is 2-3 weeks from its launch :( Sense 3.0 seems to be a cpu hog and a little bit too heavy for this dual core phone. Bit dissapointed , hope they'll optimize it more for the retail unit tho

@kgbkny, Uh you forgot that all manufacturers have their pros and cons, noone's perfect, not HTC, remember the HTC HERO that has its 2.1 update delayed for Half a year (!!), nor samsung. But tech world evolve very quickly and the facts are that at that time (samsung behold time) who were the king ? HTC with his HD2 definitely was and I actualy owned this beast, and they were the first in updating their phones and even google called them for their android nexus one, but what about now ? there's﻿ a saying﻿ that action speaks louder than words : Nexus S is made by samsung, Samsung is the first in the world to update their phone to gingerbread, SGSII blows everything out of the water (I mean just look at the vids from this guy that have a retail GSII >here<), so who knows maybe next year for HTC but for now things seems clear for me (and I assume for many others since you get a 40/60 ratio in the poll here in HTC forums while you get a 96/4 ratio in samsung forums...)

Oh and I don't have any stock I'm just a modest student :D , but maybe YOU are a little bit fanboyish too, and sorry for precedent post I guess I was fed up to here that nonsense one more time lol

@epsix, you must have missed the title of this thread then, re-read it

and you already posted in samsung forums and I'd say everyone is free to post where he want
[HTC Sensation] mattfmartin:
I would never trust a phone thats all plastic. I could give a rats arse what hardware is inside. Thats like having a house in Miami where all the hurricanes are, made out of walls of cardboard and a paper mache roof.
[HTC Sensation] silverwolf0:
I read both the HTC and Samsung forums. Both are hugely biased and have a large faction of dipsh*t posters spewing lies and skewing information. However, just by sheer number of idiots, HTC users are more "hardcore" and tend to be much bigger asshats, and have more of them.

The Galaxy S II beats the HTC in graphic benchmarks, with it's finalized hardware. That is a FACT. The HTC, however, could beat beat it later on when it becomes finalized. But for right now, the Galaxy S II is faster.

The HTC has a better and more premium build, that's for sure. Whether you want the heft and solid feel of an HTC or the light and slimness of a Samsung, that is personal choice. If you think one way is clearly better than another, you should go kill yourself right now.

The screen is also subjective. However, the contrast, black level, battery life, and viewing angles only go one way. Samsung. If you want higher resolution and probably more natural colors, as well as a tried and true panel, go HTC. That hard to figure out?

Why we have to put up with this sh*t everyday, on every forum, really just reflects the fact that the internet is the cesspool of humanity.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Not at all. I just carry a strong distrust of Samsung.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Never say never. My trusty old G1 was made entirely of plastic, and that thing was a tank. In fact, I kept it longer (21 months, to be exact) than any other phone I've ever had. Although it's been retired as of last summer, it's still perfectly functional and will come in handy as a backup phone.
[HTC Sensation] kolyan:
well there are lots of positives in plastic Galaxy S....its very light and therefore feels good in pocket, plastic is very durable and no matter how many times phone is dropped, there is never any damage or even a scratch to it. The negatives are the cheap feel in hand and the cheap looks.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
The sensation unibody design is overhyped... HTC keep lflaunting that useless feature in their recent phones ... :/
[HTC Sensation] Huck33:
just make a quick comparisn between a galaxy S and a HTC touch HD2 and you undertsand that design of HTC phones thousand times better than samsung

it's the same for the Sensation and the SGS2

the design of samsung (UI too) phones sucks

they have good screens but they are not able to do good phones
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Well I'd say that's a matter of taste, for me the HTC Sensation design is really outdated and already seen a thousand time, that curvy half-assed brick (11.3 mm in 2011 ! even galaxy S 1 were 9.9) don't appeal to me at all, it has nothing to do with the sleek minimalistic design of the GSII which is definately a looker

For the HD2 that's another story, it has thin bezels and it was the first 4.3" screen smartphonne ever made. That was one of my favourite smartphone ever, much better design than the original galaxy S but not as beautiful as GSII
[HTC Sensation] eadred:
Dude, you are such a pain. Why are you even on the sensation forum? If you need that much to praise sg2 on each and every post around here, do it at least on a sg2 forum and quit obsessing here.
[HTC Sensation] parmijo11:
+1.

I'll be getting the Sensation when it comes out. I have no issues with design, i'm using a Vibrant now and i have to have a case on the device to be comfortable with the weight and thickness.
[HTC Sensation] Razius:
Torn/thoughts

I enjoyed my Vibrant when I had it. Wasn't a fan of the creak when pressure was applied to the side of the device, but overall it was a nice phone. I enjoy my nexus one I still currently have; I love the feel of the device and the looks. My G1 is still going strong, but I don't use it unless I need a backup. I think the SGS II will be a wonderful device, and I also think the Sensation will be the same way. It comes down to preference, and personally I have been a fan of htc for ages. I will probably get both just to play with, but if Samsung will come out with a 4.3" SAMOLED+ with a higher resolution then I am all for it! Cheers guys!
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
@eadred, Hater much ?

Well I'll rather ask why not ? Feel free to comment where you want mate, in Samsung forums or in Toyota forums

Is it that hard to hear something true (no bull**** here) but bad about a phone that you like ? Then don't read and go out it is sunny atm ^^
[HTC Sensation] :
No honestly the problem is looks like everyone that like Samsung coming into this bored and bashing it quite annoying how bad android fans have become. We all know how bad it is. They still insist.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
@touness69:

A few months ago, I posted a critical comment in the Samsung Vibrant forum. As a former Vibrant owner, I felt that it was well within my right to post a negative comment in that forum. Before I knew it, I was being branded a troll by the overzealous Sammy fans, who claimed that the GPS problem was a myth and that the RFS file system was actually a good thing.

We get it. You love Samsung unconditionally, feel that they can do no wrong, and believe that everything else is trash compared to the almighty Samsung. Prior to observing interactions of Samsung fans, I thought that this kind of behavior was reserved exclusively for iClones. However, it appears that Samsung has copied more than just Apple's form factor. ;)

If you love the SGSII so much, wouldn't it make more sense to extol its virtues in the SGSII forum? Since you're doing it in an HTC forum, your behavior is suspiciously trollish in nature. I am not trying to insult you, I am just stating facts based on what I observed thus far. And calling eadred a hater? Do you really not see the irony in that?