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[Epic 4G General] gTen:
They are not going to build their own factories...its VERY hard and expensive...most just buy the factories from others and recycle them. Most likely though Apple will just go with someone else in worst case senario..like LG, Sony, Toshiba etc..

Apple makes Samsung electronics biggest customer, a swap would hurt both of them tremendesly.

They are not going to split their business over this though...its far too insignificant...it might even be on purpose to have Samsung and Apple cross license each others patents and then let Apple have leverage over other Android makers...like M$ sued HTC that time..
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
Apple is a more innovative company than Samsung and everyone owes Apple a lot. There, I said it.

Now that I said it, the pathetic thing about this suit is that by the time Sammy has to pay up and/or dump Touchwiz--which they would do without many tears--and Apple has wasted its own time and money, iOS 7.0 will be out which will be holographic 3D scratch n sniff. ;-)
[Epic 4G General] murso74:
people seem to forget that apple used to use their own processors and switched over to intel only a few years ago. now they concentrate on being artists

lazy edit: after writing that i realized that they probably had another company making the chips for them...
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Apple has never built their own silicon.
[Epic 4G General] djbacon06:
I like apple and all, but geez... how many "innovative" ways really are there to show application shortcuts? :rolleyes:

Apple makes solid products, no doubt, and you definitely get what you pay for (albeit at a premium price), but I think they are going a little crazy lately. I mean, c'mon, suing amazon for calling it the "amazon appstore" because apple coined the term "appstore" first? really apple? is that really stealing your thunder?
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
you mean the IBM PowerPC chips?
[Epic 4G General] ydoucare:
Stevie's just upset that it won't be long before Android market share passes iOS. Gotta do something! It must be cheaper and more profitable to milk the same turd for 4 years and sue people than to actually design a new phone
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the touchwiz ui been around longer than iOS? I mean its not just on android, and you can obviously tell that the android version of touchwiz, is based off of the original touchwiz for java based phones. Even if iOS came out first, samsung wasn't far behind and wouldn't of had enough time to make that many changes to tw to make it look like ios. Again, If I'm wrong, forgive me.

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[Epic 4G General] gTen:
TouchWiz changed the look plenty of times..that said...icons on black background is nothing new..I had windows 3.1 which I used black background with icons on it..did I copy Apple 10 years from the future?
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/android-market-share-passes-iphones-npd-data-2010-05-10

Yeah... that ship sailed a LOOOOOONG time ago. On the flipside though, I don't think Jobs was ever stupid enough to believe he could remain the number 1 market holder for any extended period of time with the iron fist he controls that platform with and especially limiting themselves to even 2 carriers (Android blew iOS away when it was on 1, and Verizon's iPhone sales didn't do much to change it). Steve seems to be more than happy finishing a VERY distant second place.

And no, this lawsuit is absolutely ridiculous. If you'll kindly look at the list of devices supposedly infringing on Apple's "intellectual property," it so prominently includes the Nexus S, a phone with absolutely no TRACE of Touchwiz anywhere in its vicinity. Then people are quick to point out that the lawsuit isn't just Touchwiz, its the overall design of the phone... consisting of a large screen and buttons... which just doesn't seem patentable. Even if it was, their lawsuit encompasses all 4 Galaxy S variants + Galaxy 4G, only one of which even remotely resembling the iPhone (the Galaxy S 4G). And to really put the cherry on top, they're not bothering to compare the phone's ACTUAL interface with their own (you know, the actual home screen) they're comparing their OS to the app tray on Samsung's which is pretty much the same as stock Android's (Sorry, you can't patent horizontal scrolling either Steve!).

Its just Apple suing because they're Apple again. Just don't be surprised when they start suing Winn Dixie for not asking permission to label those rounded, red fruits with their trademark.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
The only reason the Nexus S is on the list, is so that if(by a long shot) Apple wins, then they can go after google imo.

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[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
I can definitely agree with the motive, but they don't have a single leg to stand on with the Nexus S. They could actually have a snowball's chance of getting SOMETHING from suing for TouchWiz, even if it is just a cease and desist that makes them change or dump TouchWiz, but by going after Google they're just sabotaging any chance of this not being a giant waste of time and money. They can't patent icons on a screen, and if they can then Google needs to sue Apple because the new iOS has colored backgrounds now and Android OBVIOUSLY invented those since Apple didn't have them before last year.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
See its not how these lawsuits work..it kinda goes like this..you sue the company you are most likely to win, include some elements in the lawsuit that you hope the jury won't notice..and then use that as a bases to sue someone else...

TouchWiz out of all the Ui's is closest to the iOS interface, they throw in the Nexus S in the lawsuit and hope it gets caught in "by default"...

Think of it like the boy who cried wolf, once they can prove samsung stole the ui, its going to be easier for jury to swallow that other elements were stolen as well...

From then on, they sue everyone related to Android...
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
I recall reading an article on Engadget saying the lawsuit was over the Hardware design, not the Touchwiz, I'm not 100% positive but it's worth a look.

EDIT:: It appears to be a combination of both software and hardware they are suing over.
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
Actually, i'll side with Apple on this one, not because I think they have a legitimate lawsuit, but because I think Samsung (as the single largest korean manufacturer) needs a judicial slap in the face that comes with being a player in the free market. I think Apple is seriously one of the few American companies that truly innovate and progress technology.

Many Korean companies are not true innovators. Instead, they like to improve on the innovation of others. If you look at most of their electronics, cars and software, they never come out with their own technology. They simply improve upon the technology already innovated by others.

Maybe Samsung will finally take this as an impetus to actually create something genuine and unique instead of relying on being the best imitators on the block.
[Epic 4G General] gehlersjr:
Or motorola/ibm since when apple made the transition to intel motorola had to close one of there fab plants in malaysia cause a friend of mine that worked there got laid off and came back to the US looking for work, he used to talk about building the apple chips.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
If Apple wins, they will sue every Android manufacturer...the problem with this patent is not the look but Apple effectively trying to say everything with a touchscreen and icons is violating our patent..

Also, its rare that a company invents stuff...usually they fund institutions or other businesses with investment money, then when a proto-type is made they improve upon it and add it to their product...

While Samsung is a monopoly in korea for example...at same time its a perfect indicator that even a first world country can keep manufacturing jobs and be competitive...This in turn is thriving koreas economy...

Unlike in USA most businesses just have fronts here and useless management jobs while outsourcing most of the work to other countries thus killing our economy!
[Epic 4G General] Shoulon:
Apple Might as well sue all launcher developers then. -_- geez they just hating cause they have no 4G speeds =P
[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
That's interesting. Although i would disagree with you when you say that Korea's economy is "thriving."
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Actually, LG made a skin for the LG Star that looks very similiar to touchwiz(which looks like iphoneish)

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/lg-star1.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/lg-star/preview/

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[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Its thriving..for a country with no natural resources, small with large population and on top north korea, they are doing very well...and their exports is larger then their imports..

They are fare better of then the USA economically..

It would be funny if Apple sued LG..then we can see how the Apple stealing LG Prada design thing goes lol
[Epic 4G General] murso74:
yeah.. i remembered that they were the IBM chips right after. but they did go to a much more orthodox solution with the intel chips and concentrated more on the asthetics of the design after that. those fugly plastic computers there were building got dropped in a heartbeat when they switched over to "pc" hardware
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
This is interesting, for those that don't know, for the first time in ios's life span samsung is not supplying apples soc/chips and we all know samsung is going to use the tegra2 in some sgs2's. Which tells me there's no way they could meet demand for apple to use the enyos chip. Could this have pissed off apple? Maybe, maybe not, but is possible.

Now to the lawsuit, apple is most likely going to release a 4inch screened iphone5 and even though the sgs i9000 looks a lot like a 3gs, the 3gs is an inferior device, at least hardware wise(I say os wise also buy just my opinion:D). Now if the iphone5 does indeed have a 4inch screen it would look more like apple copied samsung and so hence the lawsuit. Apple is just making sure people know this now so when the iphone5 comes out people will say....this is the phone samsung copied even though samsung released theirs first.

This is all just my theory and apple could actually have planned on going to a different oem chip designer/manufacturer, but samsung beat them to the punch on the 4inch screen and I doubt apple is happy about following another companies lead....you must control your flock of sheep or you will lose them to the wolves.
[Epic 4G General] tumbes20000:
Apple is just trying to guard against samsung getting too similar to their phones. Nothing will really happen. Apple is just letting samsung know it is not going to let it copy its phones. Its basically saber rattling. Apple has always been this way because their product line up is small compared to samsung, htc, motorola, etc. When you follow the henry ford model - you can have any color you want so long as its black, you have to be defense of your products.
[Epic 4G General] jok3sta:
This just in.. local farmer sueing apple for using his fruit as a logo

Tapatalkin' it from my Epic 3g
[Epic 4G General] Jayfunk:
Did Apple invented the Smartphone?

Did they invented cellphones?

Did they invented communications?

Been laughing here as I'm reading the thread :D

But anyway, I'm a user of Samsung SGS and I hate touchwiz because I hate Apple products so as the Apple UIs..maybe if Apple win this battle, Samsung will come out to a kick ass UI like the HTC's Sense.
[Epic 4G General] wxrman:
icons or positions of icons

I recall having a phone back before ipods and iphones...

...a kyocera 6035.

It was black and white, well... green and black, as most palm pilots but it was also a phone. It had icons and used a touch screen.

I also had the kyocera 7135... a clamshell version of the above but in color. Color icons, touch screen and such.

How did Apple become the originator if it really was just cruising along, adopting technologies and making admittedly great improvements on the experience, but not exactly there in the beginning?

I think before these suits are done... a lot of history in the cell phone business is going to be dredged up.
[Epic 4G General] phishfleck:
this is a ridiculous statement. of course they are.
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
Facebook can't even put out a decent android app....
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
Samsung is far from a "knockoff" company. They are more of an innovator than Apple is in terms of hardware R & D. Korean companies are more like scientists while the American's are the engineers. They come up with all the new technologies and parts, companies like Apple are good at coming up with applications of those technologies. Samsung has been making cell phones a hell of a lot longer than Apple has.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
^ Pwned.

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[Epic 4G General] lviv73:
Samsung said that only reason that apple is suing is because samsung delayed iphone 5 parts untill the end of the year.

That was sammys stratagy to **** on apple and release a better and more powerful Galaxy S 2 variants before iphone,lol.

Samsung said its not afraid of apples intimidation.

I got the info from a comment that samsung themselves left on engadget article.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Beast

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[Epic 4G General] futureprospect:
In today's global economic landscape, you can't say that any economy is "thriving." All local economies are affected by the current global economic downturn.

Which is exactly why apple is suing them. Samsung, arranged their parts according to the design of apple, even if they are Samsung parts. Even if I made up the individual words in this sentence "To be or not to be," It would still be plaigerism if i tried to pass that sentence off as my own.
[Epic 4G General] steviee7:
im not mad at anything... i love android market i love android
[Epic 4G General] JohnnyEpic:
Ok... then I'll say it too. They all owe HP (Palm's patents) for having a smartphone.

Sigh.... is there a right or wrong? Blackberry should watch closely. If we switch the names up a little.. HP, RIM, carxs metaphor... just saying.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Looks like the lawyers are gonna get paid!

Interesting that Apple was only 4% of sales for Samsung, I thought it was much higher. Guess Apple doesn't like that its gonna triple the money it pays Samsung and wants to get a bit back! ROFL!
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Its "thriving"..while the Global Economic crisis has its effects..their economy still has growth...small growth but growth...their unemployment rate is low and their debt is manageable...and as I stated before, their exports > imports...

Its actually part to the mobile industry and tv industry that Korea is doing so well..

In comparison the US and most European nations are 10000x worse economically..
[Epic 4G General] rygran87:
Has anyone else noticed the cosmetic similarity of the the iphone 4 to the original samsung instinct? Also, does anyone remember a movie about a similar situation called pirates of silicone valley? It's based on actual events involving Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
This looks like it may slow Samsung's updates down... :(
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Its not surprising..Samsung makes components for everyone....aka almost every single product you buy, has at least one samsung part in it...most likely the nand chips...

i mean lets look at top 6 clients:

1. sony - 3.7%

2. apple - 2.6%

3. dell - 2.5%

4. HP - 2.2%

5. Verizon - 1.3%

6. AT&T - 1.3%

See even though these companies are huge out of the total the top 6 only add up to less then 15% of their entire business..thats how many clients they work with..

they also do everything from fridges, to printers, to phones, to computers, to TVs and etc..and even build out 4G towers for Sprint...
[Epic 4G General] phishfleck:
no, they're one of the few economies that avoided a recession. that's why yours was a ridiculous statement.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Yes, I've noticed that similiarity betwen the phones. I had an instinct.

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[Epic 4G General] electronicmaji:
No they couldn't. Apple has no experience building their own fabs.
[Epic 4G General] s84471:
I admit, I like Apple products. I have a MacBook Pro and an iPad 2 and love them both.

However, with that said, Apple... please just stfu with all these ridiculous lawsuits.

Especially when you're suing a company who provides the guts for your own smartphones. That just seems dumb to me.

Besides, in my opinion, the Galaxy S2/TouchWiz look nothing like the iPhone/Springboard.

Things like this always bring me back to this:

http://nexgadget.com/images/Whos-Suing-Who-within-the-Mobile-Industry-Lawsuits_Insbo_1.jpg

Granted, for it to be accurate these days, it'd have to be updated daily.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
I know what you mean. I have a Macbook Pro too and an Ipod Touch and I like them a lot. What I HATE about Apple the most is their suing and the fact that the majority of Apple users think their phone is the best, and then orgasm when they see a live wallpaper on my phone lol -_-

Only reason why I even want apple to ever win this case is because I have a lot of stock invested into them, and more money for them means more for me xD
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
Not a bad editorial:

http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/art.../www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383820,00.asp
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Samsung has filed a countersuit. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gotw1pwcMgGLImsM63wcVsHXKEyg
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
That's good

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[Epic 4G General] tumbes20000:
So this is definitely some corporate pushing and shoving. The problem is that apple buys a lot of componets from samsung. Now apple obviously believes that samsung needs apples business more than apple needs samsung. Yet its not like their are a lot of companies that produce high end electronic components and even if there was it would take time for that new company to retool to meet apple's demands. I samsung really got pissed they could delay production of critcal parts that would really hurt apple. Look at what the car industry is dealing with because of the earthquake in japan. Major production delays.

Apple is on top right now, but no one likes a bully and eventually you will pay for acting like one.
[Epic 4G General] tumbes20000:
More generally this battle between apple and android I find to be real similar to when I first got into computing. Apple was rocking it with the apple 2s and then their were pcs with their DOS system and taped on windows 3.1. From the outside, apple should have won that war. Machines looked better gui actually worked and on and on. So why did dos win against mac? Surely not on ease of use. The difference I is that the tech community preferred pcs because of the flexibility and there were mutliple manfactures pushing the dos system. Apple just had apple pushing mac and never embraced the techy community, frowned on trinkering.

Why do I say all of this. Well because apple always puts themselves in the position where they always have to hit homeruns with their products. They are the only ones with iOS, so if the iPhone 5 sucks for some reason then iOS and the app development community is hit immediately. Now with android there are several firms producing android phones so if htc starts making crap phones, no big deal I'll buy a motorola or samsung phone. Android does not always have to hit homeruns to keep growing. So apple is on top just as they were before, but eventually you'll design something stupid and the iOS will suffer greatly just like the mac os did.
[Epic 4G General] InhumanElmo:
nvm

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[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
Maybe, if we're lucky, Apple will win and Samsung will be forced to remove TW all together.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
The thing is the lawsuit is not on TW..its effectively on Android as a whole..thats why no bada device is listed even though it has the same TW....
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
You know, I didn't even think about that. But, I guess, even though bada has touchwiz, it doesn't have a 4x4 grid app drawer and 4 doc spaces.

Idk if this is bad for Samsung v Apple case but:

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...ent-for-iphone-4/&category=classic&postPage=1

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[Epic 4G General] gTen:
4x4 grid is not the issue..you cant patent that...

as for the patent..its irrelevant if the court finds previous implications...if something goes into common domain, the judge just throws out the patent...
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
What I meant is that I guess bada's touchwiz is different enough from the android version of touchwiz that apple isn't considering it as a threat. Idk, just my opinion, doesn't mean I'm right or wrong.

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[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Well since Nexus S is in the lawsuit.it would mean they dont care about TW..they care about going after android as a whole..TW is just the UI thats the most similar to theirs..thus most likely to win against...once they got a win in their bag it will be easier to go after others...
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
That makes sense I guess, especially since they're already going after motorola and htc.

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[Epic 4G General] mpscmedic:
Apple will do whatever they want. They think that they can do no wrong.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
They even have their own little Carrier IQ feature, but more insidious:

http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/20/apple-recording-storing-gps-position-of-iphone-3g-ipad-users-video/

I don't know who I trust less - Joe Sprint Tech or the Cult Of Jobs. I don't own an iDevice, but the rest of my family all does.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I've never liked apple products, and that puts the icing on the cake

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[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Thats kinda old news...people mentioned that back when the palm pre was doing same thing...its not uncommon...

It may have gotten a version up lately but its always been there..
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
In most devices the information is at least kept encrypted, with the iPhone it's apparently stored in a file then left as is.
[Epic 4G General] djbacon06:
between CIQ and this,

F the man.
[Epic 4G General] b15love:
Samsung's Lawyers..

"Judge, and people of the court, I present to you exhibit A: our product announced before the iphone. So really who is copying who ;)"

http://www.handcellphone.com/wp-content/uploads/samsung-glyde-u940-leaked-phone-2.jpg
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Tbh, the only thing extremely similiar between those two phones would be that they both have one button on the bottom. Nice try though. Lol ;)

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[Epic 4G General] b15love:
no. the shape of the phone is reminiscent of the entire galaxy s line. Mic opening is the same as well and it would also scroll through icons and such. My last statement about apple copying is just a joke. No one is copying anyone. Its just the style of all touchscreen phones, which apple says they "innovated"
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Ahh, gotcha.

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[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Be honest guys. Samsung blatantly ripped off the icons from the iPhone. The design of the actual phone not so much, but those icons are blatant rip offs.

Edit: For anyone interested:

There are infinite colors and designs one could use for these icons. Its obvious where they got them from with only minor tweaks. Not only are the colors the same, but what the icon depicts are the same. Its a little ridiculous.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
#1 The phone and memo are the only one that look really close to me.

#2 That messaging icon is the stock Android icon, not samsungs. And they dont even look the same.

#3 The gallery icon may have a flower on it, but it isnt nearly the same as iOS'.

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