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[Milestone XT720 General] Accophox:
Well, if a CB 2.2 was leaked, and could be successfully read... I think, but am definitely not sure, that we could use recovery to flash boot.img/system.img?

Anybody care to correct me on this?
[Milestone XT720 General] spiderx_mm:
Check with Dexter or Khalpower. :D may be CincyBell bought their ROM and testing for upgrade. lol :D
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
We'll have to see. It depends on whether the partition sizes changed. Motorola likes to include the partition tables in the kernel so that would require flashing sbf to use a new boot.img. If they use the same kernel version, we can probably make an update.zip to deal with changes in system.img changed size. We'll have to see what if anything we get.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
Well, I talked to several people at Cincinnati Bell today...

It's not looking good. I was told that there were quite a number of people at Cincinnati Bell who were working on this project, and that a legitimate ROM was produced and tested, BUT... Motorola doesn't want them to release it. I wasn't told why, but you can guess. Motorola hates all of us and secretly wants us all dead.:eek: Kidding.

Seriously though, it sounded like Cincinnati Bell DOES have a working froyo ROM. If only someone had a way of getting their hands on it....

I'll keep trying.:cool:
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Sounds like we need to invite one of their field testers to a bar, gizmodo style.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
Exactly. I'll buy the first round.
[Milestone XT720 General] mediaon:
thanks for your work..hope that they do well and release it soon...love xt720 & **** Motorola on that case
[Milestone XT720 General] hellmonger:
If someone would point me in the direction of the FTP site its hosted on ... i might have a leak for you guys :)
[Milestone XT720 General] AllGamer:
you know what would be ironic?...

if and when they do really release an official 2.2 for the XT720

we all flash it, and find it was actually the 1.3 made by Dexter's ROM but rebranded

LOL :p that will really make my day :D ;)
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Sightings of Cincinnati Bell XT720 running 2.2 in employee hands predate the Motoroi 2.2 release. Also, I discussed froyo at length and its development progress at Cincinnati Bell when I purchased my XT720 early last September.

If you want to get even more speculative, http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ reports performance results for XT720 running 2.3 (not sure if this is easy to fake, though). Where are these ROMs!?!
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
2.3 ??

I only find results for our XT720 with Dexter's 2.2 on the page you posted.:confused:

but I don't comprehend why Motorola doesn't even want to unlock our bootloaders.. I mean that shouldn't be that much work for them and so the customers could do the things on their own and Motorola can continue ignoring us and not giving us any updates???
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Go "Advanced Filter" and select "Motorola Milestone XT720". There are results for 2.3.2. This direct link may work, but I'm not sure:

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/index.php?filter_model[]=Motorola+Milestone+XT720
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
right... very confusing. On their board I can't find the person who posted this score with Android 2.3.2 :confused:

By the way. Someone posted the following link on the petition-for-froyo-for-xt720 thread @ Moto's official board

http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Support/GB-EN/froyo/milestonenotification.htm

this is for the milestone, NOT our XT720, right? the only thing that confuses me is this sentence from the link..

"due to extremely high number of requests for the Android 2.2" <-- could that be because of us?! I don't really think so :(
[Milestone XT720 General] dannyfly:
don't believe moto's trash talk
[Milestone XT720 General] easye420:
Its super easy to fake those benchmark you just have to change the build prop. And I've talked to Cincinnati bell employees about froyo and they pointed me to xda so I know alot of them are using these builds. I wish my girlfriend still worked for Cincinnati bell I used to get the low down on everything.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
Keep in mind that those are submitted by users on their forum. Heck, the 1661 score that you see there is mine. I submitted that score. W00t.:D

I'm going to go submit a score with our phone running Honeycomb overclocked to 3ghz.
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
ehm... :D:D:D
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
IIRC a long time ago Motorola announced there would be no Froyo for the Milestone Axxx. There was a sustained ****storm on facebook. Motorola eventually caved. XT720 isn't popular enough to cause a big enough ****storm.
[Milestone XT720 General] :
Nice, but 2 questions:

1 What does it matter? If you don't have Cincinatti, then you're screwed.

2 What does that mean to us? We already have much better custom ROMs :)
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Not really. We just want their system.img so we can gut it for parts. ;) I think it might help to sort out problems with our framework, sensors and buttons more quickly. If they've got a new boot.img with a newer kernel release, so much the better.
[Milestone XT720 General] cdstewart:
But why would we be screwed if not Cincinnati?

We can flash their .sbf to our phones so why wouldn't we be able to use their update?
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
The question that is never asked is: what does Motorola actually stand to gain by unlocking the bootloaders on phones they've already sold? Unfortunately, the answer is: absolutely nothing. They've already sold the phones. Unlocking the bootloader will not decrease their warranty or repair costs. If at some point Motorola finally did decide it was in their best interests to unlock the bootloader, Motorola gets all of the upside simply by unlocking only new devices.

Motorola's strategy is to try and rely on MotoBlur to isolate themselves against the emerging zerg rush of cheap Android devices that will destroy them. The problem is that MotoBlur is not special enough to warrant a $400 device premium. They're toast. They're foolishly fighting a battle to try squeeze value from software that Google has already priced at $0. The other weapon they can hope for is to hang on to corporate and government accounts through a proven track record of security. Unlocking the bootloader does not help there either. Make no mistake, Motorola know they are doomed. That's why they split in half. The software already has $0 value and next hardware will be squeezed dry of any margin. Apple always has its cut of app sales. In Android-land the carriers get a cut of market sales, but the hardware manufacturers are left to wither. Sucks to be Motorola, but the bootloader is the least of their concerns.
[Milestone XT720 General] Brian5475E:
Has anybody tried the Motorola Froyo download yet?
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
That's not for our phone.
[Milestone XT720 General] hellmonger:
I just called CB support got some real answers.

There is an official 2.2 XT being developed, no release date yet!

But there is one.

So it will bve leaked one way or another :D
[Milestone XT720 General] mediaon:
newer kernel with swap working would be nice...
[Milestone XT720 General] mrmako777:
Nice. With all the bad experiences I've had with Cincinnati Bell, this might offer some redemption.
[Milestone XT720 General] helmi666:
lets see what Starhub's reply. :P

http://www.facebook.com/StarHub?ref=ts#!/StarHub?sk=app_271288504510
[Milestone XT720 General] Brian5475E:
If you click the continue link at the bottom of the froyo update page it takes you to the Motorola Support page, The milestone XT720 is an option.

Froyo update page:

http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Support/GB-EN/froyo/milestonenotification.htm?pubid=987654

Takes you here for download:

http://direct.motorola.com/ENG/SoftwareUpdateSelect.asp?country=GBR&language=ENG&web_page_name=SUPPORT
[Milestone XT720 General] pavithren:
Froyo XT720?

Is this the look of the new XT720 with froyo?

I found this on http://www.cincinnatibell.com/consumer/wireless/phones_and_devices/?id=motorola_milestone
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
I think that's just generic software update. I mean, I seriously doubt there's a Froyo for the RAZR.
[Milestone XT720 General] 3rdstring:
That's just a download for Motorola software to install on your PC not for the phone

That's the stock eclair, The CBW website still lists the XT720 with Android 2.1 :(
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
If they do a 2.2 update I hope they do work on the stock home launcher a bit and add some improvements. I kind of like the look and feel of it iirc (probably has to do with it being unique - I always like having unique things in my phones... :p) , so seeing an improved version would be nice.

Hmm, if there's an official 2.2 update I suppose we can get the real haptic feedback back? Is that right?
[Milestone XT720 General] rcatkinson:
I have never been able to find the FB Page he is talking about
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
I'm pretty optimistic with Cincinnati Bell's Froyo for our XT720.:)

What would be the advantages of a newer kernel? More Speed?
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
In my mind, the advantage is that Milestone has already moved to a new kernel and at the moment we're running stuff ported from Milestone. So, for example, all of the latest Milestone CyanogenMod 6 and 7 work now assumes the froyo kernel (3.2.32 or something like that, I think). How much of a compatibility problem that would be is not something I can answer. We're currently stuck at the eclair kernel 3.2.29 unless we use USB to boot all the time.

There's also no guarantee that an official froyo will include a kernel bump, but we can hope. We were waiting for the Korean froyo release for its kernel and Motorola surprised us by releasing froyo running on the eclair kernel.

In summary, the Milestone community is working to get gingerbread running on the froyo kernel, but we're currently stuck with the eclair kernel.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
http://facebook.com/cincinnatibell it's on their wall.
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
So with froyo kernel we could use CyanogenMod on our XT720?
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
I doubt it's a requirement, but it may make it easier--that's all I'm trying to say. The older cm4mm releases were based on an eclair kernel before they had a froyo leak and then all the devs seem to have dropped work based on the eclair kernel. I don't know enough about how the kernel ties in to Android to understand why kernel versions even matter that much, but a lot of the chatter seems to indicate it does. I mean, we are already running froyo on eclair's kernel so at some level it doesn't matter. There are a few of us trying to get our heads around building cyanogenmod for our device. The XT720 isn't exactly a friendly phone for learning this stuff. ;)

If we do get a new kernel, we'll still have to port cyanogenmod to the XT720--there's no getting around that. In any case, Dexter doesn't think it would be much work with our current kernel anyway. It's just that none of us seems to know how to do it yet.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
At this point, I can't see any advantage to an official froyo, other than having an updated kernel. Even if we do get an official froyo, it still isn't going to change the fact that the bootloader is locked. THAT is what we realy need.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
You know, until I read your post, I didn't even realize that it was gone. But now that you mention it... I want it back! :D
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
haptic feedback. if we touch the screen ? :D
[Milestone XT720 General] ybzsq:
Great.Just waiting
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
I hope no news is good news...
[Milestone XT720 General] mrmako777:
i doubt it...but we can hope right?
[Milestone XT720 General] mrmako777:
see OP...i updated it with the latest from cbw's facebook. sounds to me as if this is a definite go! woot!
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Hmm. "More info will be posted once the upgrade is available" definitely reeks of motospeak... so now I'm actually less optimistic CBW will be allowed to get it out the door. I think moto has them on hold. I'm rooting for CBW, though. Moto can burn in hell.
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Hi Guy what I have told that their will be a 2.2.1 update but I don't kknow when they will release it could include something else we would like but can't say yet what it is.
[Milestone XT720 General] mrmako777:
you think? im pretty sure if moto didnt want this released, cbw would have stopped dev/testing. what would be the point in spending money on an os that you cant release?
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
wow hopefully we will get the upgrade to 2.2 :D

but why not 2.3 ?!
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
In my dealings with them, I've learned not to trust anything said by any employee of Motorola. They are lying scum. There's absolutely no reason to believe Motorola couldn't mislead CBW. Motorola are snake oil salesmen until proven otherwise.
[Milestone XT720 General] :
'Cause you can't say for sure they'll release an SBF. Ever heard of OTA updates? They're pretty popular on Android.
[Milestone XT720 General] :
Dude, speak for yourself please. Maybe you don't think it's worth to pay 400 for MotoBlur, but I do think it is. I actually LOVE MotoBlur :)

So please, next time you pull up an argument about something like this, speak for yourself.
[Milestone XT720 General] mrmako777:
Can't argue with ya there, but this is a cbw employee saying this. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Thing is rumor has it cbw is going down the toilet. If they can do something like this, they might think it will improve customer loyalty. It would certainly help to say the least
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
So, as a MotoBlur lover that didn't actually purchase a MotoBlur phone (even though you were willing to burn an additional $400 on top of whatever you paid for your XT720), what do you think is the business case for Motorola devoting any effort to unlocking previously released phones? :)
[Milestone XT720 General] :
I didn't purchase a MotoBlur-phone 'cause at the time of purchase, there were NO MotoBlur-phones for sale in The Netherlands.

I do think the business case for them is operators that complain about phones being bricked. To make sure that doesn't happen, they lock it down. Can't say I disagree with them (don't get me wrong: I understand both cases of locking and unlocking, so I dunno what I would choose if I was in Motorola's shoes).
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
So what actually is MotoBlur exactly that someone spends 400 dollars for it ?? :D

I always thought it was just another "Motorola theme"?? Didn't try Dexter's Motoblur..:confused:
[Milestone XT720 General] 3rdstring:
Even if it is an OTA, as long as it can be rooted & Open Recovery installed there would be nandroid ROMs.
[Milestone XT720 General] Brian5475E:
A response from Cin Bell to my Facebook post.

Cincinnati Bell wrote: "Hi Brian- We are still working on an upgrade for the Motorola Milestone to Android 2.2. More info will be posted once the upgrade is available."
[Milestone XT720 General] mediaon:
true ..don't believe what moto said after wacthing this video from youtube....."Motorola Milestone Series How the confusing info about Android updates may lead to a wrong decision .flv"
[Milestone XT720 General] ktylife:
I mean, "Milestone" is quite vague right ? ... Are they actually talking about the XT720 ?!:confused::D
[Milestone XT720 General] :
Of course they are. On what planet do you live? The original Milestone already HAS the 2.2 upgrade so it's obvious they're talking about the XT720.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Cincinnati Bell has always called the XT720 simply "Milestone". They never sold the non-XT720 Milestone. So, there should be no room for confusion when Cincinnati Bell uses the term.

Motorola is a different story.Motorola used to tell XT720 users to look at the upgrade table for information about when Froyo would be released. For some time that table simply listed "Milestone" even though the XT720 had been on the market for months. Later they updated the list to distinguish by extended model names. If you believe Motorla, it wasn't only consumers that were misled by this--Motorola's own customer support personnel are claimed to have been making "honest mistakes" by incorrectly interpreting that table when fielding questions about froyo on XT720. When asked how the hell consumers are supposed to determine which phones will be abandoned at release if Motorola employees can't even be relied on, Motorola and their MotoXprt trolls tell us that phones are sold "as is".
[Milestone XT720 General] :
And there lies the confusion. When I bought this phone in september 2010, I knew it wasn't getting the upgrade. Motorola already told me that. So it's probably a miscommunication somewhere.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
That's news to me. In mid November, Motorola was still telling us that Froyo was being actively developed but that the release date was unknown. There were no reports or indications ever that non-Korean XT720 would never receive 2.2 before Motorola updated the software upgrade table around Nov 23, 2010.
[Milestone XT720 General] Knoedelkopf:
Yes, when we emailed them in November / December they told us XT720 will get an upgrade to 2.2 ! They meant MILESTONE would get the upgrade but even if we asked whether our XT720 gets the upgrade, they said YES.:rolleyes:
[Milestone XT720 General] mrmako777:
this is true. in fact all the major phone sites (ie gsmarena) had the xt being listed as receiving 2.2
[Milestone XT720 General] ktylife:
Same for me when I bought the phone in December in Singapore; A "Moto-boy" assured me Froyo was on its way... Only reason why I finally ended-up buying it. Lesson learned.:mad:
[Milestone XT720 General] ndempist:
all we can do now is just wait :D

just hope that they will really release the official 2.2 or even 2.3 * in my dream :D
[Milestone XT720 General] Woody:
Ok so let's say that the clouds part and Motorola give CBW the green light to release 2.2. I have read in some threads that OTA's won't come through if you are rooted. Do we (Cincinnati Bell customers) have to unroot our phones to get the OTA update? I used Universal Androot which conveniently has an "unroot" button on it.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
I wouldn't worry about that. When/If the update comes out, we'll tear it up and create a new ROM with it.
[Milestone XT720 General] Cesantony:
Well, i really don't know why motorola can't upgrade to 2.2 our xt720? Because we can see other phones that have the same or less features (like procesor or RAM) and have an upgrade to 2.2... like HTC Magic. I really can't understand.

Saludos
[Milestone XT720 General] lynxz3:
Well the thing is release a software update isn't as easy as just pushing the update out. There are things in the backend that need to updated everything ranging from developing, testing, retraining of employees/support teams, to the update of end of life cycle for the product, to creating support documentation for carriers, to training of carrier staff, to the method of distribution of the update and convincing carriers to actually update the phone. And at the end of the day all of that attributes to increased expenses to Moto, you have to realize they are a business their model is to sell you stuff based on merit at that specific moment in time when you are going and looking to buy a phone and not to keep you happy of the course of the life cycle of the product. I'm not saying this is right but at the end of the day its business.

From Motos point of view the sales numbers for XT720 didn't justify the increased running costs to keep the product alive for another life cycle. Ideally they'd have you buy a newer more popular product from their current line to get more money from you. And again they will market same incentives to hook a consumer in as they have in the past, i.e. Increase commissions for the sales of moto products (sellers want to sell more), heavily subsidized products for contract sales, competitive hardware and software experience and finally the hope that a product will have more than a single life cycle, life span. At the end of the day its all a business decision.

As for phones such as the HTC Magic, they/it were/was immensely more popular than the XT720 and as such HTC released an update. And another thing to look at is the company it self HTC has been largely windows mobile phone manufacturer for the majority of its history and as a winmo manufacturer and specifically targeting enterprise, and their business model is clear; - enterprise clients don't want to spend money replacing working hardware as such they've had an update model in place, for long time, they know they need to keep their enterprise clients happy not just for one life cycle but 2 or 3 or the next time a client updates their hardware they wont go with them. This had made the company more robust and better at competing in this new software update business model in the mobile phone industry.
[Milestone XT720 General] Mioze7Ae:
Motorola's one step ahead of you--it's even cheaper to just not even support the phone at all.
[Milestone XT720 General] lynxz3:
lol thats what i'm saying, it cheaper for them to end the phones life cycle than to update the phone and keep supporting it for another 6 months to a year
[Milestone XT720 General] :
Plus the HTC Magic only got the 2.2 update after almost a year. So that's really a long time. They also never said it was going to get the update. At least not here in The Netherlands; it came just out of nowhere.
[Milestone XT720 General] mediaon:
no news ? ...
[Milestone XT720 General] 3rdstring:
There have been a few questions about it on CBs FB page but they only give the same canned response
[Milestone XT720 General] :
'Cause the XT720 is not as popular as most of their other models. And since it costs time to build an upgrade, they won't spend that time for a model that isn't even as popular as most of their other models.
[Milestone XT720 General] mediaon:
good... that make our xt720 unique ..just unlock the fu**ing boot loader
[Milestone XT720 General] :
Let's look at it from a different perspective. When not unlocked, it makes people curious in to find a way how to unlock it and it makes more devs try which they'll learn a lot from. So it also has some good points to it.
[Milestone XT720 General] reverendkjr:
I have spoken with my Cincinnati Bell contacts...

Nothing...

... yet? ;)
[Milestone XT720 General] mediaon:
thx for the info..
[Milestone XT720 General] mchlbenner:
Hi guys I did not intend to leak this but I have friend that works for bell he has the update on his phone and the bootloader is NOT locked I don't know if this is for all but I hope it is.
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
Have you seen the update on the phone in person?

Don't know if it's real would be great if it was. But hypothetically speaking would you be able to unlock the bootloader via update? What I mean basically is if this news were true - and I certainly hope it is - I don't know if we with WIND in Canada would be getting any update since this is from CiBell. I imagine porting the update to our phones wouldn't be hard, but if the bootloader did get unlocked would we not with CiBell manage to get it unlocked as well? Hmm. Suppose it doesn't really matter tell we find out if that news is true or not I guess.
[Milestone XT720 General] Kokumuo:
I'm pretty sure the bootloader will still be locked after the upgrade. This is just a ROM just like Dexter's and such. Not to mention this is without support from Moto and they have all of the keys for unlocking the bootloader.
[Milestone XT720 General] syrenz:
Yeah, I know it's probably just wishful thinking...
[Milestone XT720 General] fjfalcon:
2.6.32 kernel will be very helpfull, cause we can ask source for it.. and use it for our works=)