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[Nexus S Android Development] murdoch1:
Probably because it does'nt work..........:D
[Optimus One, P500, V General] orlox:
If i move dalvik cache from sd card (i have darktremors script) to /dev with a symlink will i have any problems? Will my phome get any faster? The sd is class 4. 200mb is a pitty to stay empty.
[Atrix 4G General] c_man:
Hi All,

With the Atrix due to hit the UK soonish, I have a question about the build quality.

Now we all know Motorola make solid phones. Top quality build quality.

However...

Numerous reviews highlight the fact that for such a 'high end' phone, the all-body-plasticy-feeling just doesn't cut it. Other reviews suggest it is 'hardened plastic' and that it's not really an issue.

So what do you guys think? Has anyone dropped their Atrix? How did it survive?

Are cracks on the plastic body common?

For comparison, I currently use a HTC Legend, which is a 'one piece' body cut from a single block of aluminium, it's solid as a rock and awesome. I'm wondering how the Atrix would compare...
[Atrix 4G General] vin791:
definitely not comparable to the phone you're using. while i dont mind the plastic back, it is a bit flimsy. however, motorola has released "rugged" battery covers which replace the stock battery cover and also cover the sides of the phone like a case as well, and it is harder thicker plastic with a rubberized outside. i'll be picking one of these up soon hopefully and when i do, i'll post something here.
[Atrix 4G General] Santiago:
The Battery cover is pathetic, an the mechanism to open too.

Sorry for my pathetic english.
[Atrix 4G General] c_man:
A link to these would be good in the meantime?

When you do pick one up, please do post back :)

Santiago - bummer :( not what I was hoping to hear...
[Atrix 4G General] gnahc79:
The build quality is good IMO. It's definitely not rugged though. The main thing about the battery cover is that it's slippery. I almost lost grip several times just removing the Atrix from my pocket (yes hands are clean). An Incipio case fixes that problem :).
[Atrix 4G General] vin791:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=rugged+atrix&x=0&y=0

and this place has the green one (as well as the blue and pink)

http://www.redtagcellular.com/produ...ard-Rubberized-Battery-Door-Cover,-Green.html

they end up costing about the same after shipping.

the stock battery cover really isn't that bad, definitely not a deal breaker
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I have no problem with the plastic feel at all, but the lock button drives me nuts! :mad:

First of all it's too recessed, and second plenty of times when I press the unlock button phone still doesn't register.

I finally got tired and installed "No lock" just so I can unlock my phone by using the volume rockers.

IMO this is the worse lock button/switch I've ever seen on a phone which is a shame because I love the rest of it.

I'm also guessing that I'm the only one that has a problem with the lock switch since I haven't seen anyone else here really talk about it...
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
To me the phone is inbetween solid as a rock and satisfactory. Its heavier than most phones Ive used which makes it feel solid. But when you remove the battery cover it makes the phone feel cheap but that is done to get the phone as slim as possible.

The gorilla glass seems to be a lot stronger than what was used on the iphone 4 and doesnt scratch easily. Ive dropped my phone multiple times in its Commuter case and never had an issue. But never have I tested that without a case. IMO every smartphone should be wrapped in a case.
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
+1, a case is a must.

would rather not have a broken phone just due to dropping it. think of shelling the $30 or so for a good case as a one-payment insurance policy.
[Atrix 4G General] milesjohnson:
For some reason I really like the lock button. It took me a while to get used to but for some reason now it just feels really comfortable although I thought id never get used to it
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
Build quality is fine IMO. If u are one to use a case...the build shouldn't really matter. I use a tpu case, my Stride is solid
[Atrix 4G General] maledyris:
Build quality is solid and good for a plastic device. The plastic is hard and doesn't creak, though the back is somewhat flimsy. You have to lower your expectations if you're coming from an all metal device though. This obviously can't compare physically to something that's made from machined aluminium or something.
[Atrix 4G General] recurringintensity:
i didnt like using it until i retrained my print by swiping up instead of down, like the tutorial shows.
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
HTC will always have topnotch build quality....Atrix is very solid for a plastic backing. Its more solid than the Cappy
[Atrix 4G General] wirednix:
I use a cheap $4 TPU case from eBay and that makes the phone 10X better, IMO. The phone gets bulkier (of course), but it's def worth it.

As an added bonus, it makes swiping my fingerprint easier.

EDIT: Exactly what I use: http://cgi.ebay.com/TPU-Gel-SOFT-CA...815105?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item19c4325441

$2.75 for making my phone feel awesome. BTW, no, I don't sell that case. Search ebay for "Atrix TPU" and find one you like.
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
I actually really like the design of the battery cover. It's extremely quick to remove if needed, and the same for putting it back on. Does allow for dust to get in more easily, but also a snap to clean out if needed.

Feels just like my iPhone 3GS did for form factor, but I would say the iPhone was a wee bit more slippery due to the high gloss case finish.

Overall design and build quality are fine imo.
[Atrix 4G General] c_man:
Many thanks for the comments thus far :)

Thing is, in the Android world, HTC has gained a decent reputation for build quality. But overall, (including pre-Android days) Motorola really were (are?) kings of the build quality game. Hence why comments around build quality are somewhat surprising.

It seems like most of you have cases then? I absolutely hate having a case for any phone I own, it takes away from the design lines of the phone, no to mention the weight, size, aesthetics, etc.

Maybe the question should be: do you feel the build quality is at such a poor level that you feel you *need* a case - because so many of you seem to have one!!
[Atrix 4G General] charlyee:
I typically do not like using a case. I think the build quality on the phone is great as others have mentioned previously. It certainly does not "need" a case in imho.

Go for it. :)
[Atrix 4G General] IpodLover77:
nah your not the only one. this was one of the main reasons why i sold the phone. hitting the home button required too much effort because it was so recessed.
[Atrix 4G General] coldfusionb:
I am coming from a Nexus One and was a little skeptical of the build quality of the Atrix. I went ahead and got the Atrix on release date, have never put a case on it, and really do like the build of it. The back cover wraps around all the corners of the phone and covers the whole back, so if you where to scratch it up you can just replace it and it will be good as new.
[Atrix 4G General] UnCommonGrafx:
Love the power button. Easy to turn on the phone in a crowd. Fingerprint scanning, as was noted above, works both ways - up and down - WITHOUT the need for retraining.

I will say this about build quality:They got a few things wrong.

- An electrical issue for some plugs - when plugged into power, the fingerprint scanner won't work

- They say the recent update allows one to have multiple bt devices connected but they won't let two of the same type of devices connect. Think listening to music with your sigOther...

- Muffled mic on phone calls still seems to occur even after the update.

Until a quad phone comes out, this is a great phone. Unlocked would make it the king.
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
i think the biggest thing you can get from this thread is - it's personal preference.

OP, don't be too quick to judge or make a decision based on what you see here, go to a store and actually hold one before deciding.
[Atrix 4G General] c_man:
^ Thanks. Just waiting for it to actually arive in the UK!
[Atrix 4G General] trickyhenry:
Build is great for me. No real creaking. Its not the best but does not feel cheap. I like to think I'm critical when it comes to phones. Lock button is in an odd place but I guess its because its a finger print reader (I never use). Takes time to get used to but what phone doesn't.

Love it.
[Atrix 4G General] gonka95:
I ended up buying the Otterbox to be safe. Nice and sturdy now!
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I bought the Otterbox Defender and Impact online.

"Impact" is a Glorified Rubbery Slip on Cover and a waste of money IMO.

"Defender" is a freakin bomb shelter! It's big and definitely bulky. It basically turns your Atrix into a toughbook. I'll probably use it off and on. It does take away from the phone's looks (almost makes it look like a Motorola Defy), but in terms of "armor" its the best I've ever seen...
[Atrix 4G General] gachiennuocmam:
The back cover is not perfectly fit. It is more like a accessory case.
[Atrix 4G General] stonefeet:
i had the lcd (not the gorilla glass) crack and break the screen on mine from maybe a 1.5 foot fall onto concrete, back down, the back cover popped off and the battery came out, it was the same fall my iphone had taken at least half a dozen times (still couldn't believe that thing never broke) i have a defender case but had it off the time of the drop or i'm sure it would have saved my phone. i'm not sure if it hit it just the right way, but the case is on the new phone and will stay on no matter what.
[Atrix 4G General] c_man:
Damn, looks like Motorola are slacking!!
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
This is a good description.
[Atrix 4G General] Angelmsx:
I came from a captivate and imo the atrix's build quality is miles ahead. The battery door on the cappy creaks even on the slightest pressure, and personally, even though the atrix is heavier, it feels real solid (much like my N1 but without the metal).
[Atrix 4G General] KefkaticFanatic:
It's no HTC, but comparing it to many of the other standard plastic smartphones it feels pretty good to me. This is my first smartphone though, so I don't have much to really compare it to. I personally haven't put a case on it, as I generally keep it in my Scottevest jacket or safe in a pocket most times. It is a bit more slippery than most phones, but so far I've been careful :)
[Atrix 4G General] tom2517:
My atrix creaks, but in general it's a pretty solid feeling phone, for a plastic. iPhone 4 feels much higher class, but I suppose two big pieces of glass plus metal will give you that feeling.
[Atrix 4G General] KefkaticFanatic:
I honestly really dislike the iPhone design, but hey that's just me :P

Best I've seen though would be the HTC Thunderbolt...damn that is a sexy beast.
[Atrix 4G General] lembiks:
Case + +

Hi, i think this is my first post.. I bought the atrix with casing on.. well, the appearance is not actually the phone for,..i like the unique build by the way :p
[Atrix 4G General] pootown:
I like the build quality very much. The fact that its plastic doesnt bother me at all. It's very stiff and as mentioned above there is no creaking, like from pushing on the battery door or squeezing in hand. I was previously with Verizon and found the thunderbolt did that, thats part of why I went to AT&T and got this.

I also use the incipio feather case and you can barely tell the difference size wise. It fits in the car charger, though not in desktop charger. But it fits the phone like a glove and there is no play between case and phone.
[Atrix 4G General] meexoo:
I had the Legend when it came out March 2010, I really liked the design but the more I get familiar with android, the more I realized that I should have got a more powerful device.

Along came the Atrix, I was considering it since it's about the only phone that offers powerful hardware in a compact dimensions. I don't like big phones with big screens, so I was thrilled with the Atrix when it first came out. But I'm concerned with the many negative feedbacks related to the build quality floating around!

- Many have reported that they had to replace their Atrix several times before getting a satisfactory working unit

- Upon closer inspection, the screen seems pixilated ruining the viewing experience even though it offers excellent resolution.

Is there any truth to these claims? I'm looking for the Atrix users feedback because I intend to buy it online and won't have any opportunity to inspect it before I buy, becides if I end up with a faulty unit I would be screwed since it would be close to impossible to return it. It's not available in my country and as far as I know, there are no service centers or motorola distributors here!

Your feedback is highly appreciated.
[Atrix 4G General] fastbikedroid:
Build Quality

So far I'd say it's very good, though I think the back panel is a little odd in how it goes on and off. No creaks or rattles unlike my BB Torch
[Atrix 4G General] wackyD:
IMHO build quality is solid. Does not feel plasticy. Feels solid and well built. Nothing loose.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matius44:
Hi guys,i've just ran into a problem, whenever i install a new app and try to add it's widget to the homescreen i cant find them!i installed and re-installed many apps n even wiped cache but still no new widgets added to the widget list

Can someone please help me?

Thanks in advance
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawks556:
Every app doesn't have a widget. Read from the market description if it's even supposed to have a widget and then report back.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matius44:
Thanks for you're help Hawks556,in the market it does say it has several widgets,and to be specific its PlayerPro..and to explain more i had PowerAMP and i uninstalled it,after i discovered this this problem i re-installed back and also it didn't have the widgets although its used to..

I appreciate you're help
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawks556:
Allright, just had to make sure there aren't any confusions. Tried the PlayerPro app myself and I have no problems with thi widgets. What rom are you using?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matius44:
I am using Android Revolution HD Beta4 (gingerbread) and i didn't have any problems so far..sorry to trouble you my friend
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawks556:
Have you tried wiping dalvik cache from recovery?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matius44:
Yea i tried that but also no result
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawks556:
The apps aren't installed on the SDcard by any chance?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matius44:
Man you are my hero!i just moved them to the phone and the widgets showed up!i was just about to do a full wipe and re-install everything!thank you very very much!but just so i know,why didn't they show when they were on the SD carf?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hawks556:
I'm not sure about the exact reason but I think it's just built like that. It takes a while for the phone to initialize the sd card when you boot (you can see the icon in the statusbar). This in turn would probably result in some errors when loading the widgets from the sdcard as it's not ready yet. I hope you can make some sense of this :p

P.S. you can always hit the thanks button ;)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matius44:
Man am really thankful for ur help,and be sure i will press that button as soon as am back to my laptop,am using xda app right now..

Again,thank you :-)
[Nook Color General] Razor1973:
I was recently torn and decided to get a Viewsonic gTablet, mostly because of the Tegra 2, the larger screen, the Bluetooth, the camera and the fact that I found a practically new one for just $230. However, I also haven't given up on the nook color, because of the better build quality, better looks, lesser weight and, more importantly, much better screen.

So today, I went by my local B&N store again to check it out and left with a couple of questions.

1) Is a somewhat stable Honeycomb ROM already available for it? Gingerbread is, right?

2) How do people make up for the lack of external buttons? Yes, there are on-screen buttons, but what about those cases where the app is full screen, like games, the Gallery app and screenshots in the Market? What if you want to press the menu button?
[Nook Color General] evopanop:
Good questions

By the numbers:

1) The Honeycomb rom is based of of the SDK so not complete. It is somewhat stable though. Your correct that CM7 is stable.

2) The tablet tweaks are now incorporated in CM7. They accomodate all of your concerns, including full screen by hiding the menu and showing it again with a key press. I use the "N" key for this.

Don
[Nook Color General] JMcFly:
I'm running SoftKeys on the rooted stock rom to compensate for the lack of buttons, but there some instances where it gets very annoying.
[Nook Color General] ace7196:
Perfect!

I have the NC, girlfriend has the GTab. I've rooted/changed ROM/OC'd/soft-bricked both.

Quality: Both have good build quality, NC's screen and viewing angles are MUCH nicer.

Performance: Tried nearly every ROM on XDA on both. CM7 for NC is awesome, and we have awesome devs getting video to work BETTER THAN STOCK on that. GTab doesn't seem to quite have the "following" (but Woot.com did help a lot), so no Tegra2 source for 2.3. The 2.2 roms were okay for me, but the force closes I got in the various roms sucked (yes, I tried fix permission, reformat 2048/0, wiping everything, etc) but the g/f just needs it to work. I may try another rom on the GTab for the hardware accel., but CM produces amazing roms.

For Use: My g/f loves the big ass 10" screen, but I think it's too much. I have all my ebooks for school on my NC, and I couldn't imagine toting that (GTab) around to class. NC is ligther, better screen, and (imo) better supported. She wants her GTab for traveling to europe and playing angry birds. I need portability/speed/something to flash the latest rom to.

Let me know if you want any other details. Both are great.

* GTab 2.3 roms use both cores, while the 2.2 roms uses 1 core (unless the just released stock rom uses both?) BUT can use hardware accel. Take your pick :D
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fristyle:
Hi everyone, I have Samsung Vibrant with Bionix-v 1.3.1 in it and I successfully rooted and flashed my phone. My friend asked me to do the same with her phone. I was able to root the phone with clockwork but when I include the custom ROM in the internal SD, ROM manager could not recognize the custom ROM zip file. Every time I do the recovery mode, I always go back to the choices where there's "reinstall packages" (blue letters), instead of the green letters. I also did the ODIN flash to start from scratch but I'm still having the same problem. Thanks in advance.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] laylovj:
You flashed CWM via RM? If so then you should make sure that it's not on froyo because the 3e recovery won't let you go to CWM..Flash to stock and then reinstall packages. I apologize if I misunderstood your post..:o
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tempus9:
I have a rooted HTC EVO 4G with Jiminy V rom installed and was going to flash with CDMA workshop, but before that I went to cricket to ask for a new line( I wanted MIN/MDN numbers). I have never been a cricket customer before.

My question, How do I open an account with a flashed phone? The guy at the store simply looked at my evo and said he could't do it. Am I suppose to use the model number of a cricket android to pose as mine in their database? He said he couldn't open an account without an esn of a cricket phone.

Thanks for any response

-edit-

I guess I need to have an existing phone line in order to port over the information and plan onto the EVO phone.

Is this correct? anyone
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hddwiper:
they're just being lazy and also want you to buy their stuff.(they tecnically dont support that phn cause they dont sell it and dont have a working rom on it)

you can activate online, over the phn. or goto an authorized dealer. (not a cricket corporate store, if they're the ones giving you trouble)

you need to fully flash your phn for cricket. and with cricket, your min/mdn numbers will be your 10 digit phn. number.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tempus9:
Yeah, thanks I ended up being able to activate with the android plan. Only problem i have is that the calls are sometimes sent directly to voicemail without my phone ringing and since there's no visual voicemail for cricket I miss calls for hours/days
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jacoballen22:
What ever happened to that 'hold back to force close app' option in cm7?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jstalford:
Menu>Settings>Applications>Development
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jacoballen22:
Damn, thanks boss. I went there before hut completely forgot about development. Kudos.

Sent from my cyan colored friend.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] enotar:
I really need help please please:

I succeed creating an 500 meg file ext2.img on Sd card and formated as ext2 with linux dd and mke2fs.

I succeed too mounting this volume on linux but I am stuck trying to mount it on Android.........

I tried this and that doesn't work:

mkdir ext2dir

mount -o -rw loop /sdcard/ext2.img ext2dir

What am I missing?

Thank you very much
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rattking:
usually you need to specify the filesystem type such as

mount -o loop -w -t ext2 /sdcard/ext2.img ext2dir

and also are you sure your kernel supports loop back filesystems?

if /dev/block/loop0 exists then it does
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] enotar:
No such dir /dev/block/loop0 and getting "ioctl LOOP_SET_FD failed: Device or resource busy"

Is the loop mandatory?

Just want to mount and bind to other directory

Thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rattking:
it might be included as a module try

modprobe loop

and try again

otherwise you may need to find a kernel that includes it for your device

yes you will need loop to mount an image with -o loop
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] enotar:
I run modprobe loop and return "modprobe not found"
[Vibrant General] junglerumble:
OK so I odined back to stock and then rooted via the one click root application. I had bionix v1.something already on my sd so I downloaded rom manager from the market and tried to flash it.

So I open up rom manager and pick install rom from sd card and choose bionix.

then it takes me to the recovery page and the only options I have is:

reboot

reinstall packages

format data

format cache.

those are the only choices I have! where is the install zip from sd card option? what do I do?

edit: jesus christ I'm an idiot. thanks guys
[Vibrant General] younix258:
that is the stock recovery... when you odin, you lose CWM recovery. you need to get an update.zip for CWM or get root access and have rom manager do it for you...

PS theres nothing wrong with your phone.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
Press Reinstall packages

it'll reboot.

press reinstall packages again.

you should be familiar with this Interface now huh?

WAITTTTT

you odin'ed okay.

so go on Rom Manager and flash Clockwork Recovery for Galaxy S Vibrant

then do the steps i said on top.
[Vibrant General] regP:
It's worthwhile to keep a copy of the ROM Manager apk on your SD card so whenever you odin you can install it and flash CWR without having to log into market and download it. Just an idea.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
great idea, i do this as well. i keep my titanium backup, and rom manager in SD CARD, and a few other apps, but their just porn apps (jk its games, of porn(jk,game(btw did anyone notice i have like 3 ()'s inside my ( )? is this possible? a ( ) inside a ( ) )
[Vibrant General] regP:
HAHA. Same here, Titamium and Rom Manager. I app2sd teh prone so....