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[Fascinate General] akaine2001:
Having had an older and much laggier iphone (3g no s), I can say that the iOS experience then, still is better than the time I have with my phone since i got a nexus one. I liked it better at first because it wasn't laggy, I was just happy with it being snappy. And then I went on the Android market.... SMGDH.... Does it have apps? Yeah... but they suck ass, hard... My gf hasn't downloaded ONE app on her fascinate since I got it for her, and what girl doesn't download apps on an iPhone?! Exactly, ... if there were anything worth downloading she probably would have by now... For me, it's kind of good that android doesn't pull my interest away from the computer and other aspects of my technological life, it is just my phone... I like android because it got me OFF the phone from being on it as much as I was on it when I had an iphone. Flashing roms is fun n all, but SSH'ing into my jailbroken iphone and theming it was wayyy easier, music player was better, and of course the games... i had asphalt 5 then (they have like fkin asphalt 7 now), in 2008/9 and it worked better than on this phone or my friends epic? #fail... I had quake 3 on the iphone and that did not work as well as my fascinate, but either the 3gs or the iphone4 will smash this phone at the 1st person shooters available, and that's what im into. So hopefully they make it with a bigger screen this year, and a little secret... Black people don't argue about which smartphone is the best, the ones that use them, know the iPhone is the best, we just can't afford AT&T's hella crazy plan, but we love to use Evos and Epics on Boost mobile and Fascinates on Cricket =/. I pay less than my homeboy who just got the i4 from the 3gs, (130 - 1 line / 115 - 2 lines) #Winning.
[Fascinate General] times_infinity:
Cool story bro. Go buy an iPhone. Baaaaaaaaaa.
[Fascinate General] MattRussNC:
While convincing someone to look into android over ios puts a little money in a better place and technically gives them a better devise, I think its a bad idea. For starters an average person with no knowledge or any desire at all to learn any platform is going to have a hard time with both. either device in the hands of such a person will leave them cursing it.

Right now most people are utterly convinced they want and need a smart phone. For those that can't work the microwave (not an insult at all), neither device is right for them no matter how better android is. I have just recently convinced four people into their smart phone decisions, two of them I recommended iphone, and two android. While I have no doubt the two iphoners arnt going to be happy (as they seem to have a hard enough time with making calls on their feature phone). I prefer them being disappointed in apple.
[Fascinate General] gubiguy:
I prefer to and need to use my phone as more than just a simple toy or entertainment device such as the iPhone. What makes Android a significantly more productive operating system? Three things:

1. Widgets: no need to open miscellaneous app to see when I have an appointment, my calendar is a screen away.

2. The notification bar: its just plain useful: emails, texts, alerts, all at the swipe of finger.

3. Download ANYTHING: I can download virtually any file on the internet and view/edit it as I require - unlike the simplistic PDF viewer and limited email downloading capabilities support of iOS.

Would I buy a 15 year old an Android? No, they most likely can't take advantage of its best features. Would I buy it for someone who needs information without the time consuming glitz and glamor of iOS? Absolutely.
[Fascinate General] worwig:
That is funny. And I dislike the iPhony for a number of reasons. But, I believe there are a lot of sheeple out there that need the iPhony, and she sounds like one of them. Clueless about what the different options are that are available to her. No idea what she wants to even do with a smartphone. She needs someone to hold her hand and give her a nice quiet place to be in. The iPhony may offer that better then an Android.

Someone tries to take me by the hand and show me what to do, it is going to involve kicking, and fists swinging, so I want a more open system.
[Fascinate General] BartJJ:
The main problem here is the fact that iOS and Android are, at this point at least, are about even for the consumers with "average" knowledge of computers that have more than likely grown up using them. Anyone above average that likes to tinker with their devices should quite obviously get an android phone, anyone that is below average that just wants a few apps and to make phone calls and doesn't really want much more than a feature phone with apps should likely get the iPhone. Lets face it android is more like a computer than the iPhone is and therefore, is more confusing for people at first and if the person that gets the android phone doesn't even really know how to properly work a computer will more than likely get confused with the android phone more than they would with the iphone
[Fascinate General] Scrappy1:
Ahhh, the simple minded views abound. It is possible to admit the assets of other devices without feeling dissapointed in yours. Most people realize this as they mature. People who should get an iPhone:

1) Anyone, techy or not, that is busy and has no time for tweaks and mods, but yet wants all basic smartphone functions to work immediately and perfectly.

2) Anyone wanting all the best 3D games

3) Anyone without constant access to charger. Battery life of most android phones is pretty bad. I don't want a 3000 mah battery mod for my phone, I want it to work out of the box with iPhone 4's 8 hour screen time.

Now then, its no surprise at all that apple sells a ton of these devices. Please stop being surprised or mad that apple is doing so well. Please acknowledge the areas that they accel, and instantiate yourselves as mature humans.
[Fascinate General] Kamar234:
I kept a close eye on the android os when it was first released and I have always loved smart phones. My first was an imported Sony Ericson p800 (the full touch screen in early 2000's would blow people's mind haha). I absolutely loved my experience with the og droid and fell in love with android. However, with my experience with the fascinate, and the overall direction of most carriers to locking down these handsets more and more, I am starting to reconsider staying with android. Lets face it. These software manufacturers, barring HTC, and phone carriers, are all terrible at software and lack any kind of vision regarding user enjoyment. They are all about maximizing profits and "differentiation" Motorola almost went out of business because they suck at software. They have forgotten this and now insist on making their own adjustments to android that just make things harder to use. With the increasing difficulty of getting android back to stock, it is becoming less and less attractive. I believe phones like the droid is the pinnacle of the android experience, an experience that is becoming more and more rare. It seems the nexus phones won't see the light of day on verizon, who has the best network as well. If the iPhone does indeed have the rumored 4 inch screen, I would have to look at it seriously.
[Fascinate General] FDro:
So you are a phone elitist talking down on a person that doesnt know about android,

yet you go to the apple store to buy ****ty bose audio products? What a horrible life you must live to have your day brightened by this type of event.
[Fascinate General] gubiguy:
Hey, I wasn't talking down to her. I'm a salesman, and I was simply demonstrating the features of the Fascinate.

And Bose in my opinion is pretty damn good compared to the equivalent in skullcandy or Sony.

Also, I never stated that it brightened my day. I stated that it was a funny experience that I'd like to share with you all.

Hope that changes your tone =/
[Fascinate General] miamifootball67:
The Fascinate and Android to me are better because of the iPhone, prior to 2006 all phones pretty much sucked. iPhone changed the game.

I feel that Apple Computers are better than Windows. I received an iPad 2 as a gift and I do not like the iOS 4. I prefer Android....
[Fascinate General] jdkzombie:
sheep...

anyone that i hear around me that desire an iphone i have to ask them why they want it. what will they use it for. Then i show them my fascinate running cyanogen 6.2 and they are blown away. i tell them you cant do this on apple products. period. there is no customization. its either apples way or the highway. For people that like to customize and make the phone theirs in every way i recommend android, but for the douchebags that want an iphone because its an iphone...i say let them be sheep...apples digging its own grave by trying to sue samsung for something apple stole from them in the first place. yay apple...
[Fascinate General] minho422:
Facepalm...
[Fascinate General] johnnyv5:
go away. far far away.

jv
[Fascinate General] Jmatch:
I laughed today a had my fascinate at school and a kid walked by and said "whats that? Looks like a generic iPhone" I then showed him the bigger screen smooth transitions widgets and the overclock feature wich he didnt understand then I was cut short by the bell.
[Fascinate General] solarpolitiks:
I pretty much got tired of telling people what to buy. I used to do it all the time but then one day a friend said something along the lines of 'Why bother worrying about what someone ELSE is gonna.buy. You know what you want and enjoy it and let them do how they please.'

In my opinions I prefer Android over iOS but I can't doubt iOS has its strong suits. Even LauncherPro can't fix all the lag in launchers while iOS can run smooth and fast without even overclocking. And no doubt the app catalog is bigger. On the other hand I feel Android gives me much more freedom.

One last note, I wouldn't recommend this phone to those 'Average' types considering they are not moving from 2.1 until we get an update. If they are that technologically inept then they won't be rooting and flashing debloated ROMs.

:/
[Fascinate General] rand4ll:
+1
[Fascinate General] Legato525:
I don't care who you are apple sucks as a company. That said, the I phone is not a bad product, most apple products are well made and function almost flawlessly, that also said not every product is for everyone. My hatred for the Iphone comes in the dementia that follows. I hate people who assume apple is always better no matter what. I read an article from a big media outlet reviewing the xoom. He made mention that the ipad2's processor will beat the ntegra2, why? Because someone at apple assured him that it would be wicked fast. how can he compare a product to one not on the market or even announced at the time. It is that kind of insanity that kills me.
[Fascinate General] djlim4:
The Fascinate is my first smartphone and i've enjoyed it for the 3 months and 29 days of the 4 months I've had it. (needed a day to root)

I became an addict and in the process acquired a ton of brand new knowledge. It basically sparked an interest in technology that I had lost since I was a kid. And in the time that I've had my phone and have been showing it off any chance i get, I've done a fair share of drunken rants and have imposed my views and opinions to as many people looking to upgrade their phones.

But, like many out there, there is just no convincing the wife. It didn't help that she's had an ipod touch for a few years and was dead set on getting the iphone once it released on verizon.

I jailbroke it for her within a few hours... it was actually REALLY easy... sorry to say but MUCH easier than the fascinate was. But in all fairness, there's really only one or two ways to jailbreak, which cut down the research time a lot.

I gave it a fair shot... and I agree with most of the points others have made, we all know it's great for gaming, good for working out of the box, good battery, good for sheep

It really is a beautiful piece of hardware though... i guess that point is very subjective, but personally i think it feels awesome when you hold it... something about the weight. I love my fascinate, but it DOES feel plasticky and cheap.

And i dont think the android market is lacking at all, so i dont know what people are complaining about... apple store is like that premium tv package where you get a few more good channels but with 50 channels of crap you gotta flip through between.

The deal breaker for me is flash... I'm streaming shows on my nook color and fascinate and watching nba playoffs at work, i don't really play games. So it's a no brainer for me.
[Fascinate General] thefunkbot:
Wow I understood him this time.
[Fascinate General] Bobboman:
I understood him but i know he is telling a falicy, ask any black man whats the best smart phone, he may say the Iphone, ask him why and your response will be "the Iphone was the first and most expensive so it must be the best" this was told to me by one of my black coworkers, he also explained that this is the same reason that african americans tend to flock towards blackberries as well
[Fascinate General] s44:
Android obviously offers more options to the advanced user, but that doesn't mean the iPhone is any less mystifying to the average dumbphone owner. There's a lot of arcane crap in making certain things work (ask a non-techie to sync Google Calendar to her iPhone...) there, just as here. And oh, that wretched notification system!

If a person has a peer group with iPhones or iPhone status mania, recommend the iPhone. Otherwise, feel free to suggest what you like.
[Fascinate General] mkzbdroid:
well said...I see this all the time in sales, people who want the iphone just want it because it is THE iphone, there is no convincing that group. but some people are open to comparing android.
[Fascinate General] vgupman:
I completely agree. iPhone is nice. Would I ever give up my Fascinate for an iPhone? NO! I would never go back from Android, but I see why some people would prefer an iPhone. Besides hating Apple as a company, Android is waaaaay better for me at least.
[Fascinate General] D_Steve595:
I'm 15 and I have apps released on the market :(

Sent from my Fascinate
[Fascinate General] TheSonicEmerald:
I'm was thirteen and just turned fourteen a few weeks ago, and I was rocking my first Android phone with root and roms and all since last April :P

Sent from a Limited Edition phone from a Premium app..
[Fascinate General] gubiguy:
I apologize to both of you for that statement. I meant more along the lines of a typical 15 year old who isn't concerned with the underlying advantages of Android.
[Fascinate General] solarpolitiks:
Why do teenagers find the need to express their age on the internet? I mean I am 17 and I...
[Fascinate General] gotsflat4love:
The more I try and push people to android, i realize they could care less about most of the stuff we drool over. When I see the bored stare on their face, i usually just tell them to purchase and iphone. Yeah i said it...
[Fascinate General] jt1134:
I'm 12. Teen years here I come!
[Fascinate General] the entity:
Just for the record, I'm 'african american' and I prefer my fascinate to iphone.
[Fascinate General] solarpolitiks:
I am a Puerto Rican teenager and I prefer Android to iOS. Everything is age based and racially charged :P
[Fascinate General] imnuts:
I like Android because it doesn't track me...
[Fascinate General] s44:
It's like Eric Schmidt got sent to Apple or something. ;)
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Yeahhhhh... right ;)

Another Fascinating post by my XDA app...
[Fascinate General] nsmal24:
Why not...

I'll get involved...why not...

My "wonderful" in laws just had to make the decision on what new phone to get on Verizon (finally getting rid of their Blackberrys!). My wife and I have been on Android since we switched from our Sprint Touch Diamonds (miss you WinMo...kinda) so we have been trying to build up Android in their minds as the way to go (We have had Incredible, Droid2, and Fascinate). Needless to say, we failed. They both got iPhone 4s (because ppl at their work have them...sigh). Since I am the "tech guy" in the family, I got to set them up for them, which is kind of ironic.

They are beautiful phones that run very smoothly...and I hate them so much. Out of jealousy, you might ask (Fascinates run like balls out of the box, let's be honest...Bing, RFS, etc...seriously Samsung!)? No, because of @#$ iTunes. The fact that a smartphone of this era needs to be tethered periodically BLOWS MY MIND. I have used Exchange for years for calendar, contact, and email centralization, so moving to Gmail was perfect for me. What is Apple's (free) solution for contact and calendar centralization....ITUNES!!! Terrific.

Verizon decided to transfer all her contacts to her local iPhone phonebook. In order to export the contacts you have to tether the iPhone to your computer, tell iTunes to sync contacts with Windows Contacts (WAB) or Mac equivalent, then finally export them from WAB to CSV which can be imported into something like Gmail that supports an Exchange Activesync profile so you don't have to use !@#% iTunes for that stuff.

She has an iPad too. I told her that her contacts would automatically update (once I moved everything to Gmail). She was like, do I have to sync it with iTunes first?

I, reassuringly, said...never again.

I love my Fascinate, but I recognize that stock v. stock, the iPhone runs better and that some people do not have the skill or desire to modify their phone. That being said, I believe that the hindrance of iTunes is the most unforgivable thing about the iPhone.
[Fascinate General] landshark68:
Are you sure you're not 12 1/2? Just want to be accurate for posterity sake. The crew here cracks me up :p
[Fascinate General] The Root:
Look up CarrierIQ.
[Fascinate General] retepdgp:
What sucks is iPhone feels almost like a trend (Collecting lint in the pockets of "hip" kids) while real smartphone enthusiast know that the possibilities are almost endless with a phone such as the fascinate. Apple hates when competition gets in their face. Google phone follower for life! :cool:
[Fascinate General] garywojdan81:
Yeah, I saw that too. Thanks for saving me from asking...
[Fascinate General] Naris:
Wouldn't it have been better to point out the fact that, despite Bose's massive expenditures on advertising, they tend to be underwhelming when compared to quality headphones costing 30% of the price? Alternatively sending him to Head-fi might have won a convert instead of making everyone so defensive.

Personally I think iPhone has the market mindset, and anyone getting a new smartphone out of the blue that doesn't care to do their research might as well get it. Maybe they'll grow sick of the limitations and move on to Android, WP7, or WebOS; or they'll find they're satisfied with Apple's "Benevolent Fascism."
[Fascinate General] iTz Nicholas72:
Can't wait to get my iPhone 4 Saturday!!!
[Fascinate General] gubiguy:
BURN THE NONBELIEVER! (loljk) :D
[Fascinate General] FDro:
I didn't really care about his choice in audio equipment, I was exposing the hypocrisy in his post. Fanboys of any kind are equally a stone in the shoe of an otherwise good community. The correct way to address the woman's curiosity would have been to give the +/- of each device, rather than tell a one sided story through the eyes of a biased person. Then come on this board and make a joke of what went on. The "best" device is subjective to the user, that concept seems to escape most people.
[Fascinate General] gubiguy:
Please, do forgive me for educating a consumer about the other end of the smartphone spectrum.

Also, fanboys are typically defined as individuals who support their device no matter the case. I admit the iPhone does have its bonuses for those who use it, just as the fascinate (and android in general) has its bonuses for those who use it (didn't I go over this already?).
[Fascinate General] pwshadow:
Good for you op. I would have done the same. These ignorant people who think they need an iphone, yet know nothing about other phones, deserve a lesson in android. If they are too lazy to use the internet and research before they go onto the store, then they deserve a one sided arguement. thats what they are getting from the apple reps.
[Fascinate General] HorsexD:
Most People Dont Know That Apple is One of if not the Biggest customer Samsung Has and That Apples Iphone4s and The Galaxy S Line Have Very Similar Inner Parts. They Are almost the same phone on the Inside with Different Screens and Os' on the Outside. Also Fascinate Runs sluggish stock not entirely because of Samsung but also because of the Bloat from Verizon. Comparing the Gsm Galaxy S i9000 and Iphone4 would be more fair with performance. In the End if Samsung didnt Exsist, Iphones/Ipods/Ipads would be Running Alot Different.
[Fascinate General] gfosco:
+1 for pimping the Fascinate, -1 for thinking BOSE are FTW.
[Fascinate General] iTz Nicholas72:
Don't forget to mention that the Fascinate feels super cheap while the iPhone feels extremely stout while not being too heavy.
[Fascinate General] s44:
Your trolling is sad and hilarious. Unfortunately, the iPhone (heavier, two glass faces) is a *lot* more likely to break when you drop it.

"Feel" without actual function: that's the iPhone experience in a nutshell.
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
Yep, I used to be a part of the Apple side of things before I got my Mesmerize.

I still have an iPod touch which I have replaced the screen on like five times. the software sucks and the hardware feels sturdy but really isnt.

i remember the day the iphone 4 came out with its unbreakable super special screen. dropped one three times on the concrete floor and it shattered. i have dropped my mesmerize many times with no problems at all.

Sent from my iPod touch (which I hate) via Wireless Tether
[Fascinate General] pwshadow:
I was in the apple store yesterday. It was a satisfying and frustrating experience. I played with the iphone and realized that with froyo, launcher pro, and opera mobile my phone was just as responsive and smooth and had a usable sized screen. The visit started with me saying to my self how much apple sucks, but then i wandered over to the ipad section. I hate to say it but apple won me over in a matter of seconds. Point being that I dont think the iphone is as good as a properly set up fascinate, how ever they do make some awesome stuff. And as I'm walking out the door I here an womans voice exclaim "Now do I need an iphone or a blackberry?". I turned to say in an angry tone "You dont need either if you don't know what they do! But this nice gentleman in the apple shirt would be happy to convince you that you can't live without an iphone." But my wife was adult enough to grab my arm and drag me out of the store before I could do so.
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
I always get kicked out of apple stores... Either changing wallpapers, VNC, jailbreaking devices, or just harassing people about Android and how bad Apple is, etc.

Sent from my MIUI SCH-i500
[Fascinate General] bucikaka:
You're like robin hood!^^

I personally don't give a rat's ass if someone buys iphone or android, i just hate their sense of superiority they're buying with it...
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
Lawl yeah. Their devices are really not that bad, I just can't stand how most people with iPhones or Macs are convinced that they are the best and every other device sucks, instead of realizing that every device has pros and cons it's just like "iPhone is perfect and android sucks"

Sent from my MIUI SCH-i500