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[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bibble13:
In my experience, the employees at the Verizon stores know less about the Thunderbolt than I do. I had to get my SD card replaced (twice), and though my phone wasn't rooted I doubt they would have noticed, and I would bet that they wouldn't notice a different radio on your wife's device.

Also, didn't Jcase release an unmodified/signed RUU of the new radio? Sounds to me like that would be indistinguishable from an "authorized" radio update. (Disclaimer: I am not an expert and this is pure speculation which would very well be 100% false.)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Veridor:
Will have to look in to that. Guess I'm paranoid about them flagging my account as "teh haxx!" from using an unreleased radio.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00s3y:
If you plan to do a lot of tethering, wired or wireless, I don't suggest you flash it. Other than that you really have nothing to worry about.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stayin100:
Just call tech and tell them the phone wont boot, they cant get you to trouble shoot a phone that wont boot up. They never check the phones you warranty out. I've warrantied out phones with cracked screens, water damage, you name it.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mtuckman:
Why do you recommend not flashing the new radio if you are tethering?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00s3y:
Because, it isn't released yet. There have been reports (i.e. claims) of VZW cracking down on people who tether a lot and are running the unreleased radio. True or not, it's your decision.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dahotz:
When the ThunderBolt came out I had the iPhone 4. I had just gotten it from my sister's line 14 days before. I was going to upgrade from the 16gb to the 32gb but then I saw the ThunderBolt and changed my mind. Since I've had the BlackBerry Storm (CrackBerry was my favorite site), the iPhone 3GS (Jailbroken) Moto Droid OG (Rooted), Incredible (Rooted), I have had a long line of never leaving my phone stock. My iPhone 4 was no different. I was at work and didn't have time to un-Jailbreak it so I left it that way and brought it to the store. The reps took back the phone and I got the ThunderBolt. Needless to say, the reps are all about making money and trying to up sell you on accessories. They barely ever check the software of the phone.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ouroborus2012:
related but a bit off topic

Dumb question.. This is related but, a bit off topic, since I'm gonna wait and root once gingerbread arrives (yeah yeah, i know), if I install the new UNROOTED Ruu will I still be able to receive the OTA version incase anything is different or changed in it? Also, will it affect getting OTA gingerbread??? Thanks to all!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nyvideo1:
When I got my Thunderbolt the rep told me about this site and we had a discussion about rooting. He had an iPhone4 which was jailbroken. He was going to get a Thunderbolt and he was looking forward to rooting it and trying some ROM's.

Another rep came over and joined the discussion. They obviously are 'unofficially' fine with it.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stayin100:
Your mileage may vary with reps. They aren't supposed to activate or look at any phone with third party software. But after activating my t-bolt and talking to a rep about rooting it he mentioned he turned away a kid with a X with liberty1.5. Just don't come in like and asshole. Think of your job, you're more than willing to go above and beyond for someone thats 'cool' and not looking for something for nothing.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nmscuba:
Worse comes to worse, if you purchased the monthly warranty for your phone just tell them you lost it and pay the fee to get another one. That way they have no clue about anything.

Just pull the battery incase you have the find my android activated with them
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monolithic:
Unless I'm mistaken, you can head over to this XDA thread and download the stock radio (1.12.605.6 = stock CDMA radio & 1.16.00.0223r = stock LTE radio)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1045081

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(The following text is re-posted from the above URL) :

Lastly (for now), we have the 1.12.605.6 CDMA/LTE radio combo.

CDMA Radio version: 1.16.00.0223r

LTE radio version that came with 1.12.605.6

http://www.multiupload.com/J0K4DL6SMQ

or

http://dougpiston.com/ThunderBolt/Radios/1.12.605.6_CDMA_1.13.605.7_LTE_radio-PG05IMG.zip

(rename to PG05img.zip)

MD5 - A740031D09FC97D1B48FBEDFE73FDD24

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I hope that helps you with your decision regarding your wife's phone.

Best,

M.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hacride:
Im trying to flash the new radio and BAMF remix 1.5, and have for some reason when I try to get into Hboot(holding volume down and pressing power) it just boots up like it normally does. Ive searched the forums and tried to find a solution, either I'm doing something wrong or i've messed something up. Anyone have any ideas what the problem might be?

Thanks again
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hacride:
Never mind I figured it out
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HarlyFan:
Do you mind telling me what you did to figure it out I'm having the same issue?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PineTre3:
you have to press and hold the volume down button and then press and hold the power button, that's how I do it at least

Sent from my Thunderbolt
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] quentin.0160:
Hello

Yes you are right.I´ve tried it out like same way and in that second i noticed that my Proximity sensor turn on.

I mean ive set my backlight to auto,but no proximity funktion.But when i turn on my camera bla bla then the proximity sensor turns on to function and my Backlight turns brightness automaticly,like ive set it before.

Thanks for sharing this info bro.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] -deuces-:
where are u seeing if the drain is 5-6 ma or 40-42 ma?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
In Battery tool - Battery Current. Start Battery tool leave it on screen send phone to sleep. Wait a 2-3 minutes or so then wake it up slide to unlock and wait 10 sec with tool on screen - it will show current when it was on sleep/standby. if you were quick enough. Do it several times you will see it. I did this tests periodicaly last month with different roms - aprox same 40-43 ma with radio and data on(radio off gives 2-3 ma and phone lives forever). I have verified battery tool is correct or not by connecting once real multimeter between battery and phone. tool is correct. If divide 1230ma(battery) by 40-43 can get at best 30 hours of standby.

May be need to wait more than 2 minutes to get real sleep/standby - it depends on previous state. After few tries you will see. Stable average of lowest figures after few tries is your standby current.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] dazza9075:
intresting....just testing now........

well bugger me sideways, it works! nice one mate
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] arkatis:
Interesting finding man! But i wished i had my HD2... Still a weird bug but promising..lol ;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] ChrisM001:
Where can I find the battery Tool? It's not in the market.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Here you can find. It is XAP and need side loading

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=933751&page=9
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] warriorvibhu:
Dont know for sure what it does.. but semms to solve my problem testing since 6 hrs.. still gonna test it for some more time .. lets see..
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Looks like when camera closes from video mode it stops one or more of the running in background process which take some drain all the time. Probably that process should not be running at the begining. Develovers like DFT or Cotulla may be should look at it closer. Big thanks to them for hard work.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] lolkoz:
I feel like this may be finally the solution to our battery drain issue. Since I noticed that at first, when I install new rom to my HD2 the battery life is fine, but when I take a first picture with camera (or simply restart the device aswell) the battery starts draining itself. But maybe that's just me, anyways I'm gonna try this and if it works I will report back,thanks to the OP :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Running already 2 full days with data on, bluetooth on, location on. Still have 30% left - real 30% verified battery out of phone. Used internet, mail, talk - all of them not too much - normal way as i need. Before this trick phone couldn't survive 24 hours.

Forgot to tell checking all the time Battery and current status take enought energy too.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] JonnieLasVegas:
Damn! This just hasn't worked for me! I'll try again, but after trying this trick my battery seemed to drain faster :confused:

I normally have it charged when I get up in the morning & have to do another full charge 2/3 of the day through. After trying this trick I had to do 2 full charges yesterday!!!

I'm going to try again as I said, but this could be due to the reg hack that doesn't kill apps, I applied.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
I want to add to this post about my experience with Battery tool. It is accurate at least with ROM i have. Charge level, current and voltage. And WP7 charges battery to full. plus minus 5-10 percent(this low margin doesn't make any sence). I have verified it by discharging battery out of phone with known current. Did several times. So battery was charged to good approx 1200 ma in phone to green light in WP7. As i said at least with ROM i am using. Didn't try this with others.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] kooka17:
That doesn't work for me neither, it drtains the battery faster than usual....perhaps it is my rom....
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Try to measure stanby current as explained above. It shouldn't do anything worse - you just start and stop video camera. Unless really something wrong with ROM.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] JonnieLasVegas:
Strange, it seems to be working fine today! Thanks for the tip! I didn't do anything different, but it's working!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] lolkoz:
Hell yeah! It actually works, now I'm getting 2-4 mAh, instead of the regular 40-60. For everyone who says it doesn't, try to do the trick, put your phone to sleep, wait for like 10 minutes, wake it up and start Battery Tool again, it should show much better values then. Thanks again. Spread the word! ;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] flub:
This definatley works for me ..brilliant find thanks
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] Tastenchef:
thank you very much - work for me. after all the battery threads that sounds good but have no effect for my phone.

thank you!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Yes it works on Mango. On TMOUS needs it in both 3G and 2G. On HD2 EU needs only in 2g mode. So to have good standby in both mode on all HD2 will be better to do it after reboot. It works only on WP7 radio lower then 5.62(5.51-5.61 only).

This problem only related somehow to WP7 radio not to type of the ROM - pre-NODO, NODO or Mango. Bug is always there on all types of WP7 ROMs. it is proven by testing. Mango is just a little more better battery then NODO by itself.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] iba21:
only if you have software radio v 5.51 (or 5.51T for hd2 tmobile)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] mapleleafs89:
Thanks, battery is normally dead by this time of day (7 Hours use). Now only at 50% and I was playing music and podcasts all day.

edit: Going on 16 hours now and still at 35%

I used roughly 2 hours for playing music, 1 hour for podcasts. 10 Text messages. 10 minutes browsing Web. Identifying songs with bing audio, only 1 phone call ~2 minutes.

Usually would be dead on hour 7, so big props for this.

Using einminsters Mango build with 2.15.50.14 Radio and also Radio_5.51T.09.29a_22.32.50.10U_part00_by_ansar replaced in the rom.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] Sneakyghost:
Seriously, that worked on Elminsters Mango? Crap i should've read this before when i was testing that ROM. It was real crap like 5-7 hours on small to heavy usage. I got dead sick of Mango Beta partly because of this. Phone was always warm from the permanent high current which degrades the solderings on the mainboard quick and lets your phone age fast. I didn't like the idea of actually torturing my beloved phone so i changed back to Duttys WinMo rather quick... Pity...

Thanks Dude for your findings!! (to OP)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Remember it works for standby only. it doesn't help for high usage.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] Sneakyghost:
oh well yes.

still even with a good percentage of standby time it was draining very fast and would always be warmer than usual. notably warmer

so its most definitely not because I was using it more than other people...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
it's right
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] thefisz:
Hi,

just to confirm - my radio is 5.51.09.29_22.32.50.10U - HD2 EU - should the camera trick works with this set?

cheers
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] Starfury:
Has anyone actually tried to work out what commands are sent to the OS when this fix is done and how that series of commands actually fixes the power consumption issues?

Because surely there would be a way to figure out what's not set properly in the first place that this fix fixes.

Or at the very least be able to string the commands into a script that's run at startup to automate this as I very much doubt there is a requirement to see the camera output on the screen.

We could automate it so that the commands are passed to the OS to activate the camera, switch it to video mode and then go to the home screen without necessarily showing the camera output on the screen...

Just my thoughts on the matter. :/
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] ruben302:
why did no one tell me this.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
First post of this thread was updated for clear understanding with which radios it works.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] Shineon:
Hi all,

I have a European HD2 with XBmod-Yuki 7720 v2 rom. Software radio is 5.69.09.05a.

This is the first time I have tried the "camara trick" and I have seen a definate improvement in battery life. In the days after flashing the ROM I was getting 1day, 18 mins from a full charge with no battery saver. After the camara trick I get 1 day, 7 hours.

Now that could be simply due to everything settling down after the flash but the figures did seem to change as soon as I did the camara trick.

Regards
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] nikc0069:
Didn't think this worked with 5.69 radio? I do it anyway and get -4mA on standby. :) (EU HD2)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] xcen_xda:
Using the camera trick, the standby battery life is really great.

However, when the phone is under load, for example when I'm browsing the internet or using Weave or anything that puts the phone under moderate to heavy usage, the phone heats up really fast and battery is drained very fast.

I don't get this problem in Gingerbread NAND. Is this normal for WP7? Or is this problem exclusive to HD2? Or am I the only one facing this problem?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Yes it is normal for WP7 on HD2. Price to pay for having WP7 on HD2. Android doesn't have this problem and is better for HD2 then WP7.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Sir Moderator, could you please close this thread - I won't support it anymore.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] mskip:
Thread Closed as requested by OP.

Mark.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] JonnieLasVegas:
Well, I spoke too soon (again). The first couple of hours it seemed to be doing so much better. But then suddenly dropped to critical low within another 2 hours, with only one phone call & checking my moTweets twice, nothing else! I appreciate the tip, and am glad it seems to work for others, just doesn't work for me. Could be my rom, not sure. I'll keep searching for that elusive unicorn (battery fix)!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Take your time - test more. This trick will only improve long term battery life - because reduce standby current. Won't be able to see any difference momentarily. To see immediately if it is working use battery tool.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] JonnieLasVegas:
K, will do, thanks.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] fivefingerdeathpunch:
im not able to provide EXACT numbers/figures BUT i did find that my battery lasts the whole day now easily. Before it would go down to very low 3/4 of the way through the day. I dont know if the problem is battery drain or bad reporting of battery percentage though since my phone hasn't died even though it gets so low.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] kaleonkells:
Will definitely test this...good find... *thumbs up*
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
Final time from 97%(when started was this level) to the critical level : 2 full days plus 11 hours.

Again conditions:

XBmod 1.04(rom is self containing didn't do any reg hacks or so on), radio 2.12

data on, location on, bluetooth on, xbox off, wifi off, brightness auto, email manual sync.

Used talk email internet watch movie (just 15-20 mins), but all not too much. Forgot: Battery checking every 15-30 minutes.(also power)

Any way better than less than 24 hours with aprox same usage
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] misieq666:
Geez. I did this trick by an accident yesterday, and at the end of the day I figured that my batery level is at strange high level. So i put it on a charger by whole night like i do all the time, because it is my only alarm clock actually :P After i read whole this topic i canno't believe but it works for me (and the best is i did this trick yesterday by an accident, before I read this topic :D) So after near 9 hours of normal use my bettery is at 3/4 level for now :D I will test further and post here reseults.

Ave !
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] ricsonrainer:
Confirmed

Using this hack, I had a 6% drop overnight (8 hours). Location, BT, Wifi, Data all OFF. COnfirmed the % drop from Android battery application.

I also noticed that at full charge this morning, I had 30% drop all day (0800 to 1800) normal use. Before this hack, I had about 50% left at 1800hrs.

Will monitor performance and try to drain the battery to see how many hours can it run.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] misieq666:
And i'am definately confirm that this trick really works.

So now when we now what caused battery draining. Maybe it is good ide to share this with DFT and Cotulla who definatelly can help in solving this problem forever and apply slution to new Roms.

How about that ? What do You think ?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] oliverweidel:
Using first release of WP7 (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=912416) and your hint works very nice :)

Sometimes 3-9 ma battery drain but also more then 200 (5 minute average) with 3g, location, no wifi, no bt, no xbox live...

Thanks, thanks - Thanks! :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
it is good idea to let DFT and Cotulla know about this problem. i just don't know how to do that.

When you catch 3-9 ma it is standby. When 200 ma it is still measure active current of working phone. In some situation i can see 300 ma. For example i try drain battery constantly watching movie - current was about 300 ma and battery dead in 4 hours.

Even during standby phone should sometimes communicate with cell stations may be that why can see standby in range of 3-9 ma.

One more thing: from my experiments bluetooth doesn't increase drain to the level that i can feel difference - i use it in car with blueant handsfree. In the car actively connected and not in car bluetooth automatically on standby.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] X4iVaz:
Firstly...

How did you guy's even get your Battery Current down to 40...

Mine stays at roughly -181...

When plug charger in it climbs to roughly 200 something?

when I press the back arrow, all it does is close Battery Tool, and if I spam the back button nothing else pop's up, so I'm assuming that mean's nothing else is running...

wifi/bt/xbox off.

location on

email & accounts - as items arrive, not sure if that drains battery much, since I hardly get mail...

& just to make sure... from the home screen (with NOTHING running) I pres Green Call button to load camera, from this screen, I press Video (then it switches) then you Pres Windows Key (Middle button under HTC)... and I click battery tool, to check?

Extra Added: after doing that my Battery Current goes to -184

Brightness is set at Auto.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
First of all when you on charger current is positive - it is going to battery - charging. When not on charger current is negative - discharging.

You should measure drain - negative current.

First camera on -> video-> off middle button get start screen tnet press red button to send to standby wait 5-10 minutes, turn on and immideatly go to battery tool stay there for 10 sec - you will see current after trick. Do it several times for more precise figures.

If you want to see approx standby current before trick - reset phone wait loading finished, wait in standby 10 mins, wake it up and immideatly go to battery tool 10 sec wait and you see it -should be 40-45 or so on.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] zcdg:
May be this problem even related somehow to Magldr 1.13, not to ROM itself - who knows. Don't have enough information and tools to analyze this anyhow.

I think, right now only Cotulla and DFT can try to figure this out.

Thanks to them again and again for HD2 WP7!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] HD2-WP7:
just another confirmation that this trick works :) i used to get 14 hours max. now getting over 24 hours.

i have a number of live tiles (7-8), data always on. BT off, WIFI off.

but of courese. dont like the fact that pressing the back button from home screen will take me to the camera app. and does it have a performance impact?? not sure yet.

however, i'm gonna keep the camcorder on. :) what a great find! congrats to OP. can someone pls share it with cotulla??
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Development] yogeshmishra23:
Another confirmation and more...

Yes i also confirm the trick works and work wonders. Prior to this trick the battery was really struggling to make a day.

Multiple plug-in through out the day and almost everyday i was thinking to move back to NAND Android builds.

Now battery easily last more than 30hrs with normal to extensive usages. Let me explain with stats-

100% Charge (battery tool confirmation to 1230mAH)

About 90 mins phone call

4-5 emails composed and sent from phone.

Manual syncing of 4 Accounts thrice

Location - On

Xbox LIVE - On

Brightness - Auto

Bluetooth - Off

3G - Off

Data - Off

Wifi - about 1/2hr for Marketplace search, Weather update and Accounts syncing

Live Tiles - 5

Games - 10 mins NFS Underground

Checking for the battery level (completely depending on the Battery tool figures) - about 10 times minimum

Scrolling the Start screen or the App list screen a numerous times for no reason (i love doing this and feeling how smooth it works and appreciating the work by DFT)

Add to this stat, my phone keeps on receiving text the whole day..almost 30-35 text a day.

After 24hrs, Battery tool reads 52% 705mAH.

Also prior to using this trick battery temp always used to be 39-41 degC and now its barely reaches 37 degC, ambient being more or less the same.

One thing i would like to add is after opening the camera>video mode i exit it using the back button...yes you got me right i do exit it using the back button and not the Win/Start/Home key. That mean now when i press the back button it doesn't take me to camera again.

A little add to the trick you may note plz-

Camera>Video mode and wait for it to Auto Focus, before exit.

Well that do happen instantaneously but sometime it takes a little longer, once even after the trick my battery consumption remained to be 50-55mAH when i exit it a little too early. May be that is why it was preferred to leave the camera app running in the background (well not actually running).