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[Fascinate Android Development] humblewarfare:
Nicely said! I know I'm thankful for all the work the mods have been doing to help us out. I second the request for a Sticky with donation links.
[Fascinate Android Development] kidserious:
Well said. Agreed.
[Fascinate Android Development] sonofskywalker3:
Speaking as a "Developer" (sortof) all of you should just take it down a notch. That being said I'll make my two points and step back to let the flame war continue.

1. The topic is posted on the development board, other than the OP I counted ONE POST by an actual developer (nitsuj17) and the rest are either "yay!! i wantz it!" or "shhh, don't piss of the developers" posts. Take out all of these (including mine) and you'd have 2 posts that pretty well sum up the topic. everyone else is contributing to off topic clutter (including myself, but I feel it must be said). This is why development takes place in IRC instead of on XDA, because of all the useless interjections by people who have no interest in development, but simply state what they would like out of a finished product. I doubt any Dev is reading past the first post. If there could be less people polluting the development forum with useless posts then maybe this forum could become a place to develop again.

2. IMO 95% of devs do what the do because they enjoy it, or for themselves. Not because of the praise, not because of the thanks, not even because of the donations. A sense of entitlement may turn some of them off, but if they're doing it for themselves, and sharing what they've done, then it's no reason to stop. It's great that you're thinking of the devs when you stand up against the demands of the unwashed masses, but really they're probably never going to see it.

"This is the truth! This is my belief!... at least for now."
[Fascinate Android Development] nickfury718:
+1.

He's right, we should all be thankful our phones aren't stock right now. thank you devs for all your work so far on the fascinate. I have nothing to offer in the way of development either, besides money. I too would like to see a stickied donation thread, so I can donate to all the fascinate devs equally, as they have all contributed greatly to this phone being as amazing as it is. I expect nothing, but I am happy for everything released so far.

Last posting ever in dev section for me (besides reporting results of rom/kernel flashing) as my "shh, don't piss off the devs" post is, like other complaint/praise posts probably only obstructing info at this point.
[Fascinate Android Development] iwasaperson:
Cousin? More like identical twin.
[Fascinate Android Development] TheSonicEmerald:
This thread is full of morals :)
[Fascinate Android Development] bdemartino:
I agree with this, and that's why (IMO) I chose to tactfully state my opinion in hopes that others may take more care with their posts, I know it'll never happen but I never give up. :)

I definitely was not trying to start a **** storm with my comment, and it's too bad more people can't be tactful and get down to the real points being made, but that's out of my control.

I wasn't going to post any further in this topic but I thought I'd better state my intentions in my initial post so as to not send the wrong signals to anyone who has read into the statement and thrashed it beyond recognition :).
[Fascinate Android Development] jt1134:
Has anyone diffed this against the mesmerize source to see if they even changed anything? Kinda doubting much was changed.
[Fascinate Android Development] papstar:
Big thanks for upping this...Samsung's servers are terrible.
[Fascinate Android Development] nitsuj17:
imnuts diffed the kernel source or was starting to http://pastebin.com/EavhGekw

and adryn *might* have been looking at platform...dont wanna speak for him though onthat
[Fascinate Android Development] grillium:
ok so let me get this straight... this excitement and all...

So this means that since now we have the "Official source code", we're no longer constructing other "fake" source codes which will mean we will have less Non working elements of roms and what not? Any Chance we can get someone to post a thread or a reply that will explain the effects or the "leaps and bounds" that this official source code coming out has the potential to generate?
[Fascinate Android Development] kidserious:
I apologize if anything I posted rubbed anyone the wrong way. I am simply a "grateful nobody" in this community who wants to continue to reap the benefits of it. Sorry guys.
[Fascinate Android Development] spinnum:
Not sure why people are coming to "rescue" the devs from people excited about the source code being released. Every comment heaped praise...to be a dev is it required to be a diva of some sort?!? Seemed to me like they were pretty cool guys who help a lot of us out and made our phones so much better. Never got the impression that they were divas that needed "protection" from those that enjoy their work. Maybe I'm wrong and this post sends them over the edge and all is lost. Its one thing to ask, another to demand. Anyhoo...can't wait to see what develops and much appreciation to those that do the work.
[Fascinate Android Development] nitsuj17:
the only problem i have with some of the posts (and often in speculation threads) is the unrealistic expectations that get attached to anything new that comes out..like "omgz we can haz gbs and cm7 nao!"

well usually it doesnt work like that...a lot of talented people have put a ton of time into this phone working on touchwiz roms/aosp/kernels/mods and given the limitations that samsung put on them its pretty amazing what we have

more/new source is always good and im hopeful that it pushes things forward...but people have to take a step back from delirium some times to look at this news for what it really is: good, but not earth-shaking (probably)
[Fascinate Android Development] Jrex:
I agree with jt, sammy is so bad with code it is probably the same as the mezzy... :/ still good to have source though! :)
[Fascinate Android Development] spinnum:
I see the point but it just struck me funny. Had a visual of an imaginary dev throwing his hands in the air in disgust after reading the thread like a high maintenance actress\singer who doesn't get the proper bottled water backstage and storms off into the dressing room refusing to perform. When its slow at work I have to amuse myself somehow :)
[Fascinate Android Development] aolander:
"omgz we can haz gbs and cm7 nao!"

Seriously, vomit. Learn how to spell. Don't know who wrote this, nor do I care, this just looks stupid as hell.

Sorry to add my .02 to this already decaying thread.
[Fascinate Android Development] nutrulz:
Since we are totally off topic already....

Is it just me or is the chick in the Full Sail University Ad for the Music Business, totally HOT!
[Fascinate Android Development] nitsuj17:
thats just my usual sarcastic way of paraphrasing :)
[Fascinate Android Development] jordanzink:
i'm almost 100% positive he was mocking the people that said "omg does this mean working cm7 and miui and aosp now?"

anywaysss... when i came in here i felt the ground to see if hell had frozen over.

cant wait to see what this helps with.

wish i knew how to develop stuff haha.
[Fascinate Android Development] SeatownGST:
Posting on this historic occasion!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Fascinate Android Development] spinnum:
OK, back on track. Noobish question here. So now that Samsung has released the code...is the blame for the Froyo fiasco Samsung's or Verizon's fault?
[Fascinate Android Development] TheSonicEmerald:
Well, both I believe as Samsung compiles the Froyo OTA but Verizon insists on Binging and blotwaring it.
[Fascinate Android Development] nitsuj17:
samsung sends the build to verizon...verizon puts it into testing/modifies it whatever...then (in an ideal world) it passes testing and they schedule/release the ota

in reality...samsung submits it...it fails verizon testing and the cycle starts over
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
This may or may not expedite future development. But I certainly hope and want to see something come of it. As we all know this has been a LONG time coming. Our developers have done some amazing things with limited resources. So lets be excited, it's about time Froyogate was exposed. (Thanks Samsung for doing what VZW wouldn't.)

Also to add to the clutter here... all of you "forum police" leave it to the devs and the mods to keep things in check and police threads otherwise you look like a troll regardless of intention.

Our developers know they're appreciated and we are grateful they share their talent and things they probably made for themselves. We all know there are immature members who feel entitled its just the way it is. (Unfortunately there's no screening process for forum membership. :P)

Our devs (android in general) aren't divas and aren't looking to become "forum famous". They are looking for feedback and a thank you I'm sure. But most of our developers are just interested in making a good thing great and that's android and the devices they dev for.

We all need to step back and evaluate what we want our community to be. Things sure have changed since my G1 and a guy named Steve gave us a pony tagged Cyanogen.
[Fascinate Android Development] Syn Ack:
WOW! What a freakin day! First I just signed my official employment to HP for being a developer/analyst for a pretty nice sum of money and NOW WE CAN HAS FROYO!?

WIN!

Friday, friday, friday!

We so excited.
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
Congratulations on the new gig! And yes froyogate has been exposed!
[Fascinate Android Development] RacerXFD:
This is how it works. Complain and e-mail them and find out. This is how it literally works.

Nitsuj doesn't come up with this crap out of his butt.
[Fascinate Android Development] Syn Ack:
There's so many people downloading right now that my download is barely moving. I kind of smile at things like this.
[Fascinate Android Development] jt1134:
Thanks for that. One damn disappointing diff though :(

Doesn't appear anything interesting to us has been changed. You'll notice MOST of that diff is in the rndis driver. Wonder why?

Doubt I'll even merge this with my current sources.
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
That is how it works. Its well known carriers are the ones who hold back release. And releases with custom UIs take even longer than vanilla. It is what it is just glad Sammy went ahead and did us a solid. :)
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
That's kind of disappointing. Anything for sensors that was different from the mez drop?
[Fascinate Android Development] jt1134:
Nope
[Fascinate Android Development] imnuts:
Feel free to cherry-pick As jt said, nothing interesting, and I doubt much of it is going to do anything for us.
[Fascinate Android Development] xgunther:
Wow. So without anyone mistaking this question as somehow ungrateful, diva-ish, expectingly, or whatever—

What should I, and others, be specifically demanding from Samsung?
[Fascinate Android Development] masri1987:
Congratulations gents!
[Fascinate Android Development] kidserious:
JT, does this mean that there remains nothing to be released or nothing else that can further development on your CM6 (i.e. fixing mms, BT and camcorder) or to help to expedite what kaos is doing with CM7?
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
Makes you wonder why Sammy would drop the code ahead of the release...not to be a rumour monger but could we just be bypassing froyo altogether? Has a device ever been pumped past an incremental upgrade? (Excluding the short lived 2.0)
[Fascinate Android Development] kidserious:
What are you possibly suggesting (taking into consideration that it is purely speculation)?
[Fascinate Android Development] dnoyeb:
do they even sell the fascinate anymore?

i'm going to highly doubt we'll skip over 2.2 and get 2.3.
[Fascinate Android Development] jazzyjames:
The Droid Eris went from 1.5 to 2.1 skipping 1.6, I know 1.6 isn't major but it still did skip it.
[Fascinate Android Development] imnuts:
We won't be getting 2.3 before the i9000 if that's what you're thinking.
[Fascinate Android Development] rion_j:
has it been confirmed if ED01 is the same as EC01?
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
This is purely SPECULATION...I'm just wondering with a lot of talk from tech blogs about several high end devices from HTC Droid Incredible to the Galaxy S "line" seeing GB by summer what would be the point of an upgrade to 2.2 when all development focus is on 2.3.3 and beyond. Especially with that recent article regarding fragmentation from google themselves. Again purely just speculation.
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
No of course not. I'm just wondering if VZW/Samsung have possibly decided to forego froyo and concentrate on gb.
[Fascinate Android Development] Syn Ack:
For the Fascinate? SERIOUSLY doubt it. Took us 8 months to just get to Froyo open source code, hell we still don't even have the official OTA, or even a rumor that it'll be released.
[Fascinate Android Development] hbc.ciccone:
I'm just curious if this helps with camcorder and bt and such....

**Rockin jt's CM6**
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
Yeah you're probably right I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around whats taking so long. I haven't been through all the froyo drama with you guys as I got my Fascinate recently in part of a trade for one of my DIncs. Its a shame because hardware wise its a nice device. Sad to see it put on the back burner for whatever reason.
[Fascinate Android Development] J Shed:
Both. From the past leaks, it's clear Samsung spends more time finding top notch R&D people for their display tech, and not as much time finding good software devs.

And Verizon is notoriously slow, and nitpicky when it comes to releasing updates. On one hand it's nice because the final results are usually decent, on the other hand, it takes them for effing ever, so they're always behind the curve.
[Fascinate Android Development] iofthestorm:
Uh, that doesn't make any sense, because they wouldn't have to release the source for a version that was never released. Also, every recent Galaxy S has had source released before the actual OTA (Epic, Captivate were released before OTA, Droid Charge source is already out, etc).
[Fascinate Android Development] brossma1:
Has anyone tried to flash this update since it has been released?
[Fascinate Android Development] landshark68:
There's no update to flash. It's the source code, not a ROM. If you are trying to download it you are making it difficult and slow for the developers to download it so they can work with it. If you are a developer, then go ahead and download it and compile a kernel with it. If not, let the developers have unobstructed access to the code, then have patience and wait for whatever the developers may eventually put out based on this source code.
[Fascinate Android Development] JoshDB:
'Mebbe its just Sammy showing they've done their part on the update, and Verizon are the ones lopdicking about
[Fascinate Android Development] joshnichols189:
It doesn't even matter.. JT and Imnuts already said there's nothing of use in here.
[Fascinate Android Development] skynet11:
So... been to cheezburger.com lately, nitsuj?

In other news... my impression of this release is that some bugs from EB01 may be fixed, and that no one is going to lose their job over this being posted - other than that, there's nothing earth-shattering here that we didn't already get from EC10.

Another Fascinating post by my XDA app...
[Fascinate Android Development] sunder74:
Huh really? Didn't know that thanks for the info. I've used predominantly HTC/Moto and usually have to wait for source to drop after the release. I just got this a little while ago in a trade for one of my DIncs.

Anyway good of Samsung to drop source in lieu of release. Hopefully they can dig around and find something of note versus what was found in the mez source.
[Fascinate Android Development] jenisiz:
I'm willing to bet this is exactly what they're doing..
[Fascinate Android Development] devlp1213:
epic, or maybe the word I'm looking for is fascinating lol

SC2.8 WP7 Revolution
[Fascinate Android Development] joshnichols189:
Probably a nub question but.. If we've been waiting this whole time for a froyo source for our phones to be released.. and the necessary goods to help fix things such as mms, BT etc. aren't in here...

where are they?
[Fascinate Android Development] GizmoDroid:
In the brains of determined hackers.
[Fascinate Android Development] ssewk2x:
My understanding is that this release is only kernel source. The bt, mms, etc. problems seem to be coming from the rom, not the kernel, as evidenced by the fact that bt, mms, etc work just fine on the tw roms like superclean.

They'd probably need the full source for the whole rom in order to fix that stuff. Whether it will ever be released, who knows?
[Fascinate Android Development] joshnichols189:
Ohh, gotcha. Would explain why I saw imnuts comparing kernels with EC10
[Fascinate Android Development] kidserious:
So basically, what you are saying is when the official 2.2 OTA is released that should contain the code needed to fix these things?
[Fascinate Android Development] nitsuj17:
no guarantee they ever get fixed....though we can be hopeful
[Fascinate Android Development] GizmoDroid:
No, definitely not. If anyone is saying that, then they are talking crazy.

The "official 2.2 OTA" will not be substantially different then what we already have with the EB01/EC01 leaks.

The source code that was just posted is not substantially different then what we already have with the Mesmerize/Epic/i9000 source code.

The bluetooth/mms/etc issues stem from the fact that Samsung implemented stuff in the framework to make this stuff work. We do not have the full platform source code yet (if ever, since it probably contains proprietary code), so we do not have the source code for these framework implementations.

This does not mean its impossible, just means that it will take reverse engineering. Unfortunately, there are not that many reverse engineers that are actively working on it, so it may or may not ever actually be working.
[Fascinate Android Development] imnuts:
The release is both platform and kernel source. Just because we have source though doesn't mean we have all of the code needed to fix the problems we have.
[Fascinate Android Development] jt1134:
This
[Fascinate Android Development] kidserious:
Thanks for clarifying. To hear this from you would normally disappoint me but I have faith in our devs ( JT, Kaos, adrynalyne etc.). They have yet to disappoint.
[Fascinate Android Development] pntballer505:
So is this any better than what we currently have

with the EC01 roms and such?

Also, is this source kernel any better than the EC10 kernels we have?
[Fascinate Android Development] MaskaMage:
EC01 never included a kernel. having said that if you want a miracle/revaluation,,, buy a Wii.

jus sayin, flambe me what you will.
[Fascinate Android Development] imnuts:
No it isn't
[Fascinate Android Development] GizmoDroid:
"Better" is one of those words...

It has a few changes, a few newer files. Not that many changes, but maybe there are a few things here and there that might help with stability (or introduce new bugs).

Is it totally worthless? No

Is it the end-all, be-all release? No

Should you be interested? It probably means that an official VZW froyo release is imminent. If you are running Stock official OTA, then yes, you should be very excited, because you will finally get to join the rest of the world in froyo goodness.
[Fascinate Android Development] pntballer505:
Well that settles it then,

thanks for the responses gizmo and imnuts.
[Fascinate Android Development] suppliesidejesus:
This is by far the most nonsensical post I have seen.

Anyways...

Question: The rdnis (or whatever) driver...what does that govern?
[Fascinate Android Development] neyenlives:
Lol, wut you talkin' bout willis?
[Fascinate Android Development] Kevin Gossett:
I love lamp?
[Fascinate Android Development] ssewk2x:
Ndis is (i think) Network Device Interface Standard. It probably has to do with the wifi driver and/or vzw being evil dicks about tethering..
[Fascinate Android Development] kyomagi:
how do i install this? my girlfriend and i are like wtf.
[Fascinate Android Development] bhfd64:
You don't. It's a source code, not a kernel.
[Fascinate Android Development] GizmoDroid:
my girlfriend and I are like bff's.
[Fascinate Android Development] cvs0115:
Can't wait to see what the devs do with it.
[Fascinate Android Development] Jmatch:
Haha
[Fascinate Android Development] elstano2k7:
Maybe it would be safer, not to install at this point. Save verizon and daddys wallet..
[Fascinate Android Development] lane32x:
1) Unnecessary comma in that sentence.

2) What does released source code have to do with saving anybody any money? (Dad OR Verizon?). Don't take this as flaming. I'm legitimately curious.

3) The CommunityRom, which is based off of the released source code referenced in this thread, has been awesome so far. Aside from a minor hiccup that I had with my camera earlier everything seems to be working pretty well.
[Galaxy 3 Themes and Apps] pator5:
http://www.launcherpro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7385

Guys all of you here who are fans of Launcer Pro there is a beta out and it support theming SO LET'S THE PARTY BEGIN:D

Here is some example how to do it
[Galaxy 3 Themes and Apps] diminishdim:
Oh cool!..thanks for the update!
[Galaxy 3 Themes and Apps] pator5:
u r welcome:)
[Galaxy 3 Themes and Apps] Rapier07:
How do I use this..?
[Galaxy 3 Themes and Apps] grgsujan:
How to ?
[Galaxy 3 Themes and Apps] pflorin:
haha yeah .. my bad .. awesome now that LPP gets themes.
[Galaxy 3 Themes and Apps] pator5:
isn't that my link ???:D
[General Topics] hungry81:
I was feeling sympathy for you untill I googled SAMOLED vs SLCD and found many many informative comparasons between the two (many actually comparing SAMOLED desires with SLCD desires), and in all the ones I have seen SAMOLED is better in power consumption and in veiwing angle, but SLCD is not far behind in terms of normal use clarity.

As with crapple dont fall for company propaganda, and ALWAYS do your own research.

I wont be boycotting HTC, as I like many of their devices including the Desire but I wont automatically purchase their latest device either.
[General Topics] Step666:
I'm not familiar with Korea but here in the UK HTC have never advertised the screen as being S-LCD, no reputable website has ever advertised it as such, no competent reviewer has ever claimed it's S-LCD.

Here is the Engadget article on the announcement of the Desire HD, it also contains a copy of HTC's press release - neither describes the screen as S-LCD.

If you have purchased a Desire HD from a website or retailer that has claimed the screen is S-LCD, then that's a matter you have to take up with that website/retailer.

But it's nothing to do with HTC themselves, they're not responsible for mistakes made by third parties.
[General Topics] hungry81:
Ill take your engadget review (the competent reviewer you mentioned) and raise you an engadget review. WITH VIDEO

AMOLED Desire Vs SLCD desire.

http://dailymobile.se/2010/09/14/screen-comparison-amoled-vs-slcd-htc-desire/
[General Topics] hyunjungod@nate.com:
my concern is that...

It had been officially advertised on HTC website as a Super LCD...

A lot of users including me have evidents to prove so....

I don't know what to do..

All I wanted was a sincere apology.. that's all.
[General Topics] Step666:
@hungry81: what's any of that got to do with the Desire HD?

@hyunjungod@nate.com: seek legal advice?
[General Topics] scottyd035ntknow:
So you are a guy you say is listened to by many on these forums about getting the Desire, yet you did no actual research and just toed the company line before you bought one? Huh? Wtf are you trying to sell here? HTC makes some great phones. In my experience, I've been able to go to wireless stores and test drive/compare phones before I buy them. Maybe you should do the same before complaining about falling for corporate advertising like some idiot yuppie.