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[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
You sure about that? The Sensation comes equipped with SRS surround, so I highly doubt that the speakers will be less loud than a kids' microphone.
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
It's really not fair to judge the Sensation until a production model is tested. It appears some are out in the wild with the media so we'll get some benchmarks soon. As for Sense vs. TouchWiz, "pretty" is less important than how they enable you to get from function to function doing everyday chores. Spinning 3D animations are "cute" for the first couple of days but can get really annoying after the novelty wears off. We won't know which UI is better until people actually start using them.
[HTC Sensation] rdamcw92:
HTC have let themselves down in UK

I was looking forward to the HTC sensation and have held off upgrading my old milestone.

Unfortunately HTC are going to lock the bootloader like motorola. With the milestone it gave it a new life once devs had worked around moto crap. Samsung are leaving theirs unlocked. Also the performance is poor, and whilst not everything, in 2 years time when my contract ends the software will need lots more processing and RAM.

Overall the design of the phone and style are miles better than samsung, and that is the only reason I have not run out and got a SGS2.

I will sit patiently and wait to see if HTC sort their performance issues out.

The biggest let down though is that in the UK vodafone have the monopoly and have priced this higher than the Samsung. If it was the same price I would seriously consider this phone, and if even slightly less I would most likely get it, but the samsung is cheaper and faster. I will wait a while and see what happens, but come June I expect I will be surfing XDA with a SGS2, as it will only get cheaper the more they sell, the HTC will fall flat on its sales due to Voda, locking BL and poor memory choices.

Shame, really was looking forward to this phone.
[HTC Sensation] :
If were going by benchmarks the ipad2 processor not the first is far more capable than the xoom processor. Ram not that important its not like its a significant difference in the amount. Android multi task but never be as good as web os. Your looking at 768mb vs 1024 that's about 256 you wont see the difference in computer you wont see it in phones. The phones are similar yes but they operate significantly differently. Even down to the processor. The screen super amoled is nice. Yes but its preference. Battery life should be the same roughly on both devices just because a device is slightly superior in specs doesn't always mean its superior in daily use. We can look at the consoles in this as well ps3 superior specs. 360 in the middle and wii dead last in specs. But the wii wins cause it what works for most people. If your a developer your not going to make a game for one device with a dual core for just the sg2 your going to make one for the other dual core devices as well. The way the HTC processor works and operates we don't know exactly. Reading specs on paper and testing devices side by side are still not perfect. Some days device might not be as fast as the other. Smartbench quadrant linpack are test. But what does your phone have to really do daily in the end be a phone. I for one hate HTC sense but I know that HTC pays extremely close attention in what makes a user experience easier for people. The phones are capable of the same things unless your going by which stock experience you like best. Then the only reason we are picking is the screen and how the phone looks.
[HTC Sensation] b33p_:
That article doesn't have its facts right.

"The Samsung Galaxy S2 features a Gorilla Glass display, TouchWiz 3.0 UI"

Er, it has TW 4.0.

Still, even though they made it look like GS2 was worse than it actually is, it won and rightly so.

This is why I'm getting a GS2.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
One edit to the table (the GSII also has a FULL glass front)

And

I Know. I posted it in the comments. And apparently my comment didn't make it through the moderation process. LOL.
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
Based on some of the posts on the S II board, a few S II "features" were left out:

- Super amoled screen for super color over-saturation

- Synchronous dual core for increased battery usage.

- Lower resolution screen for extra blurry text

- Flimsy plastic back much cheaper to replace

- Inaccurate GPS makes it harder for government to track you

- Toasty 1.2GHz processor keeps hands warm in winter...and extra warm in summer

- Inability to shut off camera shutter sound so you never need to worry about accidentally turning it off

- Lower operating costs due to no need to buy Tegra based game apps

- Stock keyboard eliminates that pesky comma button which is just a lazy cousin of the period anyway

- More accurately named UI: TouchWiz

:D
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Didn't you know that the battery drain caused by the synchronous dual core will be more than made up for by the extremely generous 130 milliamps that the SGSII's battery has over the Sensation's battery?

[/sarcasm_off]
[HTC Sensation] :
Battery not a big deal its not significantly better than the sensations both processors work differently anyway. Looking at roughly same battery life.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
Battery life on the sgs 2 is acceptable. . . Still on my forst few charges, so its still tuning up :) but it takes so damn long to charge!!
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
I was being sarcastic (henceforth, the [/sarcasm_off] at the end of my post). 130 milliamps won't make a bit of difference in real life usage.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
As a general HD2 user, there was every need to have an unlocked bootloader purely to get android running on it. If Sensation does everything we want it too, hardly the end of the world not being able to do stuff purely for the sake of curiosity. Will still be able to customise the launcher I guess... but what do I know. Lol granted it will be a bit of a pain not being able to update to a newer version of android. I.e. ice cream sandwich early on.
[HTC Sensation] Spl4tt:
corrected.
[HTC Sensation] umd:
-SLCD has great colors and viewing angles too. Besides it has much better resoultion. So Sensation is better for screen.

-mAH doesn't mean anything. Battery times will be clear when we try both.

-SGS 2 uses about 200 MB ram for GPU. So there is about 330 MB free ram.

-Sensation for dual Led.

-SGS 2 for GPU accelerated browser.

-Sensation for build quality.

-SGS 2 for front facing camera(I don't know what more resolution means for front facing though)

-No need other topic for resoultion.

-SGS 2 for USB OTG.

-SGS 2 for HSDPA.

-SGS 2 for Wifi Direct.

-Wifi 802.11 a doesn't mean anything. I mean they're saying SGS 2 better for faster HSDPA besides they're saying 802.11a is a plus. Do they count more speed as a plus or not? That's a contradiction.

-SGS 2 for internal storage.

-Sensation for instant capture.

And other things they didn't say:

-Sensation for Sense UI.

-Sensation for quality of sofware(stabilty etc)(everyone knows Samsung sucks at software).

-Sensation for Adreno 220 GPU.

-Sensation for HTC services.

-Sensation for curved glass(probably).

-Sensation for HTC devs of XDA.

-Sensation for less problems out of box.

bla bla bla. Samsung has been always best on the paper. But when it comes to the real world and daily usage their phones have been behind HTC and Apple.
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
No offence to anyone but a lot of people on here are putting up rumors as fact my point being syncronos cores, where did that come from?

http://www.h-r-connect.co.cc/samsung-puts-orion-tablet-chip-in-exynos-family.html

I also have this from a reputable dev
[HTC Sensation] rdamcw92:
SGS2 screen

Just a quick point. Friend at work has SGS 1 with the super amoled display. I have a moto milestone. When you pump up the brightness on both in daylight, they are not miles apart. Sure his is better, but not enough to make me ever think that the SGS2 screen will be miles better than the Sensations. My milestones screen is also clearer to read text. I know the SGS2 has dealt with the fine detail problem, but now the sensation has even more fine detail.

Point im making is that in real life the screen does not matter to me as they both will do the job just fine for what I want.
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
What are the benchmarks showing that Adreno 220 is better than MAli 400

Thanks
[HTC Sensation] umd:
Adreno 220 Benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/2

Mali400MP Benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/...preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked/1
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
The Sensation also has a Gorilla Glass screen :D

Get in!
[HTC Sensation] kfgtboypsp:
Both phones have grorilla glass screens.
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
1.5 GHz

The Qualcom benchmarked device clock speed is 1.5 not 1.2 ?

this should tip the scale to the adreno 220 favor since the galaxy S II is clocked at 1.2
[HTC Sensation] Spl4tt:
today i decided to definitely order a SGSII.

its a fact that the SGSII has definitely better hardware.

only point why you should get the sensation is cause the build quality, but i had a chance to try the SGSII today and i really dont care about the build quality. its good enough..

as soon the SGSII gets some cm7 roms, this phone will kick the ass of the whole phone world

another big point in not getting a htc anymore is the lazyness of them. they should finally get up and make something like the HD2 was 2 years ago again - a nobrainer.

in the end its a decision between build quality, and hardware power.. oh, and if you still want to give htc money or not

Sent from my HD2.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Ultimately, what phone you choose is up to you. However, prior to the Vibrant's release, I felt the same way you do about the SGSII. We all know what a disaster the Galaxy S series was. I'd be careful about trusting Samsung.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Galaxy S can't really be called a disaster. (can't speak for the US) but the UK did have some GPS issues and the update issues, but the phone sold over 10 million and it was generally very positive, despite the issues.
[HTC Sensation] umd:
I think overclocking of 0.3 ghz on CPU doesn't help GPU that much according to my earlier experiences. But of course we need to wait for the proper version of Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] :
Stock processor speed is for the dual core snapdragon is 1.5 hope you know Qualcomm's processor have always been able to have ridiculous over clocking I personally usually use my stock clock 1.4 the battery last about the same. Then being on 1 ghz.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
From a commercial perspective, it was the polar opposite of a disaster. From a uer perspective, it was a disaster.
[HTC Sensation] DemonoftheMall:
For the millionth time, those benchmarks are not representative of the final product.

According to much more recent benchmarks the SGS2 gets over 40fps in GL Benchmark Egypt which is more than what the overclocked Adreno 220 get with lower resolution than the Sensation will use.

The MDP is according to anandtech optimized for GPU-testing which may suggest that there isn't that much performance left to gain from further optimization.

If you add this up you come to the conclusion that the SGS2 is faster and that the Adreno 220 will perform even worse in the HTC Sensation, widening the gap somewhat.
[HTC Sensation] :
No phone is created equal. Also the Snapdragon processor is stock 1.5 dual core. Eh we are on android. All performance may vary. Just because a sg2 performs good one day doesn't mean they all will even the sensation has flaws doesn't mean it will or won't out perform the sg2 tell the truth your only really picking a phone for one a screen and the look of it.
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
I think I get it now (it took me a million times). The benchmarks that show the Qualcomm 8x60/220 with better performance than the Exynos 4210/440 are wrong. And the benchmarks showing the Exynos with better performance are right.
[HTC Sensation] vua777:
it better with 800x480
[HTC Sensation] Spl4tt:
this is right.

you wont see a difference in sensation or GSII when you play games

in the end, its how you feel with the device when you hold it in your hands.

and i love 8.5mm
[HTC Sensation] umd:
We don't know Adreno 220 will be worse. We need to wait for the final Sensation. And if you think that there won't be any difference between SGS 2 and Sensation for our eyes, you should consider that Sensation's display will give you much more pixel density with same FPS according to our eyes. So in real life Sensation will be better about that.
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
Also worth noting that mali dosent support a lot of texture. And compression formats so even if it was 10 times faster it still wouldn't play as many games as the adrino does :(
[HTC Sensation] zoro25:
Not true, As of yesterday it seem that the Mali will be able to play Qualcom and Tegra2 only games.

look in their forums the devs are beginning to move over to SG2
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
From the discussion in the other thread it does seem to be the concensus that the mali doesnt support as many out of the box. Of course once the devs get hold of it magic will be worked. Don't get me wrong tho, at this moment in time im very up 4 getting the gs2 even tho I probably am a htc fan boy :) im gonna look at sensation but finding it hard to see how it could better gs2. My point was based on the idea that if you didn't want to root... but hey, im no expert :)
[HTC Sensation] redmotion:
Lots of claims and no links to official sites/documents supporting them!

Really annoying.
[HTC Sensation] redmotion:
Those Anandtech benchmarks are for the SGS2 with 1ghz NOT 1.2:
[HTC Sensation] TheGhost1233:
It's been mentioned before but the main reason why there is a galaxy s2 waiting for me at home is because htc isn't pushing it enough.

Now there actually are alternatives to consider. htc started the trend to deliver more and more average phones.There is nothing wrong with that but the premium devise, which gave them a large deal of there customer base, also start to become more average. For me at least it feels like a compromise when picking the sensation (same for galaxy s2 but that will come later). That was not the case when picking my desire.

I don't think the sensation will be a bad phone and in daily use most people probably won't notice the difference (including me). The risk of the sensation becoming a success is that there is no reason for htc to change strategy. So a half year from now the sensation with slightly more RAM and ROM will be released, which it should have had from the start. And then the next premium device will be slightly less premium and htc has become just another gready phone manufacturer.

And even though sense still looks great there software side is also taking hits. Gingerbread update for the (normal) desire with old sense(1.9 or something like that, wasn't expecting 3.0), Samsung starting to pick up software updates, the new agreement between google and most manufacturers to update for 18 months as long as hardware supports it and last but not least the singed (not just locked) bootloader.

So to avoid being sucked in to this and become a mindless fanboy i decided to take a look on the enemys side (not appel, it's not that bad). And hopefully in a year from now when my contact ends htc releases a new phone that makes this story seem stupid.
[HTC Sensation] BBOOZE:
Between the Sensation and Galaxy S II, which one will receive better developer support for different ROMs? My G2 is the only Android device I've owned and I've been impressed with the variety of ROMs available for it...will developers support ROM development pretty much the same between the Sensation and Galaxy or might there be a "favorite"?
[HTC Sensation] :
Both phones will get support since one has an open bootloaders and one we have to crack. Anyone that had a samsungs phone will probably run to the sensation and anyone that to lazy to wait for crack will probably go to the sg2. Truth is the sensation will have more roms if cracked as it's capable of having sense ports. For the sg2 will only see miui and Cm.
[HTC Sensation] IJS-T:
HTC uploaded a new video covering the new features the HTC Sensation has. Thought it was worth to share it with you all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN_ch48mGac&feature=player_embedded
[HTC Sensation] madindehead:
I love the feel of the device, it feels VERY nice. Saw it at the HTC UK Roadshow.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Not wanting to burst peoples bubble arguingbthe toss of which phone is fastest. They all play gimmicky apps, music and record hd video, and believe it or not make phone calls.

Once you get past the inpulse of having a new phone. They are all the same. Granted bootloader is an issue. But whether something has 2 meg more memory or 5mhz more speed, it is pretty irrelavent. Really only boils down to if u like how it looks, feels and if you like sense or touchwiz. Any other limitations really isnt going to make life hard. ?
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
At least you agree with everything else.
[HTC Sensation] mazinya:
Agree with you here.. when all the excitement is over, at the end they will both do the same things
[HTC Sensation] bronx:
... and here's the moment where sense (and Sensation) wins hands down. thank You for Your attention, good night. ;)
[HTC Sensation] Pruikki:
Galaxy S2 has BEST codec SUPPORT. MKV plays FINE!720p,1080p, 2,14 GB file MKV 720p

800x1224 payed fine! on galaxy s 2!

Sensation on the otherhand cant play mkv, it lags and is un watchable. HTC has poor codec support.

no matter what app u use or what way u play it.via hardware or software.
[HTC Sensation] RADLOUNI:
source

source for this info ?
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
This type of reply is ridiculous. You have no basis, and cannot have any basis from your claims. The Sensation is not out! WE don't know how well it plays video. Of course, the demonstration given by HTC shows it playing video like a champ. Don't be ridiculous, please? You may think the galaxy S II is better, but don't make up stuff. The Sensation will do everything the galaxy S II can do, exspecially at launch! No matter which phone you think is better, they are both beast.

It really comes down to UI, and which company you trust to ensure that the you enjoy your time with the phone over the next 12-24 months.
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
Also I heard the sensation can open wormholes through the fabric of space and time, while the gs2 can only travel at light speed....so obviously sensation wins.
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
Both of the above comments deserve a facebook style 'like' :)
[HTC Sensation] IJS-T:
Not to mention the fact that the HTC Sensation was the first phone that travelled to the end of the universe and back on one battery, while the SGS II only made it up to the moon....
[HTC Sensation] Maedhros:
+1

If HTC wants to continue putting second rate Hardware into their Flagship phones... -_-

Seriously... ATM (hardware wise) the Sensation has nothing on the GS2 (Screen is debatable).
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
As I said we don't know that until the phone is released.
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
Well at least if someone wants to return their Sensation, they can use the phone's GPS to get them back to the store. The S II folks will be driving in circles.

+3
[HTC Sensation] Sofly999:
lol +10. SGSII has some non-functional stuff like GPS and/or GPS accuracy. I saw some pictures/reviews on the SGSII forum and the back plastic is very cheap, the build quality well...is not there.
[HTC Sensation] darksulfur5:
You have obviously never used a SGS2, have you??? I've never seen a phone that locks onto satellite that fast from my 1st floor room and its way more accurate than my MyTouch 4g was (and the MT4G had a pretty good GPS track record for me).
[HTC Sensation] RellikZephyr:
Lock on to GPS signal....from INSIDE your room? That's actually not possible. You need clear line if sight to lock onto satellites

If your inside your phone is either using wifi or cell tower location not GPS

I don't know what the sgsII or sensation is like and don't claim to, but your wrong on this occasion

Rellikzephyr
[HTC Sensation] krymzon:
SamSux htc way better choice never abandones its products un like SamSux
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
if any of you hardcore HTC fanboys actually went to a forum that wasn't so bias you'll learn that only SOME GSII have the GPS issue, of which (i believe) many are improving and going away.

And the whole "Samsung has no support" is completely invalid, seeing as Google have made the agreement about Android Updates AND Samsung have said that they will be improving in customer support, and that they will continue to support older phones.

(of course, easier said than done, but you can't just keep saying that same thing of "samsung has no support" over and over again.

Also the GSII already has updates out, that are already rectifying small battery issues - (makes sense because it was just released, but it shows improvements from what I heard the Galaxy S updates were like).
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Yeah but as everyone knows, that was due to the back plastic door falling off.

Metal ftw
[HTC Sensation] hitman818:
Some still means people are having issues with gps. Ive never heard of anyone having gps problems with htc.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Neither had I, until the other day when someone had some GPS problems with their Desire. But all I'm trying to say, you can't just generalise every single GSII.

And also HTC never have had the best batteries in their phones...
[HTC Sensation] RellikZephyr:
It is surprising the fanboyism coming out, on both sides.

Sometimes i feel like I'm reading an apple forum

Rellikzephyr
[HTC Sensation] Omicron90:
This. I'm very bored of this thread.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
hmmmm, Promoting Android over iOS on an Apple forum. Well that sounds fun! :p:p
[HTC Sensation] Pruikki:
People over The GSMARENA told that galaxy S2 has the best codec support, and Sensation has smaller range of codec support. that where the fact comes from.

i tested GS2 and it played all format and resolutions.

Myne sensation can play all too only trough Software, not hardware.
[HTC Sensation] boostedb16b:
i am becoming impatient.. i really cant wait much longer to get my sensation.. and for all these arguments about which phone is better is all about personal preference.. yesterday i fired up my htc hd2 with its shattered screen and i must admit i do miss the build quality and weight of the device.. their are soo many things i miss about the phone since temporarily owning a samsung galaxy s 4g.. comparing the 2 is what is keeping me focused on getting the sensation over the gs2.. yes on paper the gs2 is better but thats just on paper after the sensation is released and final i will explain why the gs2 jumped up to a 1.2 processor
[HTC Sensation] :
Lol just because Google says they will work with manufacturers and carriers doesn't mean anything. You do know they could take18 months to come out with a fully working version of android. HTC has a better track record the HTC evo has gingerbread sense. HTC has been known to give at least two software upgrades. Samsung isn't bad but after the behold 2 fiasco. It just isn't that good as HTC. Samsung has a long way to go.
[HTC Sensation] FlaTEriC18041983:
Hi, I was looking for a thread discussing pros and cons of both phones. Reading the thread title I was happy having found one, but really, am I supposed to read 56 pages of posts to get a clue?

Call me lazy, but isn't it the purpose of such a thread to summarize the discussed stuff in one of the first posts? At least that's what I'm expecting when reading the thread title...
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Fanboys calling others fanboys....am I the only one who sees the irony in that? The nerd rage on this thread is mindblowing.
[HTC Sensation] bassmonkey:
Lol :)