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[G Tablet General] jayune:
i purchased my gtab in November at office depot for 400+ and the first thing i did was load vegan rom on it heck if not for ehunyadi detailed videos on YouTube i would not have purchased the tablet, i knew the screen wasn't not perfect but that wasn't the issue, i have had many problem with the gtab...small annoyances when combined turn into frustrations.

One of them being sound, i have found on vengan rom the sound was just WAY too LOUD, it seems like the volume meter worked on a Richter scale doubling the sound from level 1 into 2 now maybe it was just me but i was unusable at level one with any wired headphones, i have a Bluetooth headset/headphone that i use on a daily basis, i used to hate it that it did not auto connect and when i the headphones died or disconnected sound would not work until next reboot

I never had the luck of the "FULL MARKET FIX" that i heard so much about and boy did i try, it was basically a shot in the dark weather some apps would work or not

I would find myself making excuses for the gtab for the many annoyances and it not working as it should, not saying it wasn't a great device but i got my uses out of it and felt that it was time to move on, purchased an ipad2 it came in last Thursday and so far im happy with my decision but there are annoyances as well mainly do to the video player but im just waiting for the jailbreak

Im no fanboy if anything i dislike apples strategy (i still have my iphone 2g and is my only phone) toward leaving the 2g behind, but i believe you should have a device because of what it does for you, its funny how people are such fanatics or have so much hate for something based on the brand
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
But if honeycomb is more mainstream people would realize very quickly that all the buzz is unfounded. Those who have tried the xoom have reported that it's laggy and buggy. It's not really android 3.0. It's really a 1.0 version.

Many people, including myself, would rather have stability over the latest buzz. I know some people who still use xp simply because it's still the most stable and reliable microsoft out there.

I currently see the buzz about honeycomb to be comparable to the buzz about windows vista when it first came out. Frankly, vista was a mistake and should have been aborted before it's 9 months cycle.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I don't understand that reasoning, either. I dislike Apple's walled garden mentality, but if they came out with a product that fit my needs I'd buy it anyway. Get the best task for the job. I actually own MacOS SL and use it, as it's a very good product.

Android is like having an old beat-up Chevy - not much to look at at first, but after some tweaking under the hood, a good paint job and redesigning the interior, you have a great car that not only runs and looks good, but is designed for you because you made it that way. iOS is like a really nice looking car that came off the assembly line - looks nice, runs great and all the car shops have accessories for it, but there's nothing unique about it. Looks like everyone else's car. So it depends on what you want.

Build 3991 stock Nenamark scores are ~44fps. On the Xoom, it's ~28fps. I have a Xoom. It has its problems, mainly in the OpenGL area - the drivers need to be worked on.
[G Tablet General] sjmoreno:
That still doesn't really answer the question he asked and the angst some have posted about Nvidia and video drivers.

I watch videos often on my gTab and the movies are ripped as Xvid files and they look great with no noticible lag or issues. So I'm also confused as to why so many people are acting like this is such a big deal.

Am I missing out on something here? Just asking as I also want some real answers and not just links that leads to more questions.
[G Tablet General] carljanderson:
I don't disagree at all. I would also prefer a tablet with an OS that works over the latest and greatest, however with everyone (especially around the Xoom launch) declaring Honeycomb "Android for Tablets", the hill that a Froyo based tablet must climb is huge. The hill get even larger when nvidia declares no driver are going to be released for Gingerbread and Honeycomb.
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
I guess you're right in that sense. However, the advantage that the gtab has over the honeycomb ones is the price. And I see this hill to be particularly hard for the xoom and asus to climb. Let's admit it, because of all the fast pace the technology is moving right now, whatever you buy will be obselete before you realize it. This isn't the 1500s when whatever sword you bought will last you a lifetime. This is the 2010s. I think it is absolutely ridiculous to spend 600+ on a tab knowing it will be out-of-date in a few months.

I'm a gadget enthusiast. That said, I also know that these gadgets won't last.
[G Tablet General] enigma0456:
The old Chevy...

I agree that you should buy the tool that does the best job for what you're trying to do. My frustration with technology these days is that it changes so fast that you never have time to fully utilize what you have before you're called upon to change it for something "new and better". I can't tell you how many "old and junky" discarded computers I've reloaded with Ubuntu and given to people that couldn't afford one and they are thrilled at how fast and easy to use they are. The only difference between me and them is that I know about free Ubuntu and they don't. The problem for me is documentation or rather the lack of it. It is so hard to get information about things. Yes, there are forums and wikis but I've spent a fair amount of time just on XDA trying to learn more about doing stuff with my g-tab and the time suck for just a few pieces of information is enormous and I at least have an idea of what I'm looking for. I can imagine that people with no computer background must be even more frustrated or lost. That said, you can always buy some other device, keep the stock rom and let the manufacturer manage everything for you. So, if you don't like the heat - stay out of the kitchen. Perhaps the g-tab is dead-ended by the missing drivers but I'm guessing that some clever dev will figure a way around it. I'm pretty impressed with what I've seen so far so I'm committed and I'll stick with you. So Roebeet, get that 66 Chevelle SS off the blocks and fire it up - we've got a race to run.
[G Tablet General] tgruendler:
The big deal is that yes, we have hardware video acceleration with 2.2 and that is why they look good now. If you want 2.3 or even 3.0, Nvida isn't releasing drivers for these versions so there will be no hardware accelleration which means crappy, choppy video. It is like if you buy a PC with an NVIDIA video card with windows xp and there are drivers for it. 8 months down the road, you upgrade your windows to vista and nvidia is saying that it isn't releasing drivers for vista and it just wont work right, even though the card was only released 8 months ago. Doesn't make sense.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Actually, from a business perspective it (unfortunately) makes perfect sense. The Harmony board, from what we know, was only used on a handful of tablet devices - the zPad, the Folio, the VEGA, our own GTAB, and the Notion Ink Adam (btw, Notion Ink keeps saying they have Ventana components but I'm not so sure that's true).

Nvidia probably crunched the numbers and felt that it wasn't worth the resources to develop GB / HC drivers for Harmony, given the small number of devices out there. It's not the same as the XP analogy, as XP had the largest market share for many years - it was in their best interest to support it. A better analogy would be Linux support - low user numbers but Nvidia still had decent support for those users (myself included - Ubuntu user with an Nvidia card). So I wonder if this direction they've taken will extend out to other products with low user numbers, and thus the reason why I might have to reconsider Nvidia the next time I'm looking for a graphics card. This could be a sign of things to come.

Imo, the various vendors should band together and protest about this. I'm sure Malata wants HC on Harmony, and I'm sure Rohan over at NI wants it.
[G Tablet General] idivorceyou:
Thank you Roebeet. I just donated $10 to help keep you motivated for supporting the Vegan project and for supporting all of us who have modded our stock G-Tabs into a totally useful and fun tablet (even if no further upgrades ever happen again).

I bought mine instead of a kindle or nook color as a reader, to watch videos, and to do some web browsing and emailing around my house. also to play some games! So I am very pleased with what mine has morphed into with Vegan 5.11. If I wanted an ipad 2 I would have bought that thing. I have a netbook for business. this is for fun.

so even if major upgrades are not in the cards, and the custom roms reach the limit of what can be done, THANK YOU and hopefully you will keep helping us non-techies through our G-Tab issues.
[G Tablet General] carljanderson:
I would agree with this, if the statement was limited to Honeycomb only. What I am having a hard time with is the lack of support for Gingerbread. I have indicated as much in my response over at nvidia. From the version numbering, Froyo to Gingerbread was a minor release.

I can now assume that nvidia will stop supporting their hardware at each minor release of the Android operating system if they have a new hardware platform. Therefore, I expect Ventana support to end once Ice Cream is released on the Tegra3.

Any new Oak Trail based tablets announced yet? ;)
[G Tablet General] sjmoreno:
I guess I'm lucky then in the sense I don't feel any urgent need to upgrade to another rom at the moment. My gTab is set up in such a way currently that it meets and exceeds all of my tablet needs.
[G Tablet General] jayune:
I think that one of the most accurate statement describing the two i have heard. Im not much of a dev but i know a little something going to school for a degree in computer programming, but i i use to do minor tweeks to the roms i ran, i remember i use to love one of the unofficial cm7 rom because of the lowered density(higher resolution) everything looked better but apps would work right on gingerbread, switched back to vegan but the density changed but did not worked properly.

I think the ipad is a safe choice, when you go to the app store there are ipad and iphone apps, no guessing, and if im going from apples history, my ipad will be supported for years to come
[G Tablet General] pearlyking:
Well, isn't it a good thing that we don't all think the same.

I freely confess that I have been lurking,and leeching from this board, since I got my Woot purchased Gtablet 2 weeks ago. My thanks for that, it has been invalueable. :)

Boards such as these usually attract members with a higher than average understanding of the issues and a sort of 'been there, done that' experience. Both of those statements are certainly true here.

We all have our own experience and view of this new tablet world, I can only tell you mine.

I had been very interested in tablets for months but I could see that the rate of change was not commensurate with the price point; IE, they were too expensive for something that is going to develop quickly, and fall into disuse. Then the Woot deal came out and I quickly decided that, for that price, I was very content with the functionality that is available today. If there were developments that improved it, then wonderful. If nothing ever changed again I would still be content with what I had, for what I paid for it.

I appreciate that for those who paid a couple of hundred dollars more, just a few weeks earlier, it is frustrating but that is often the fate of the early adopter.

I will continue to lurk, leech, and donate, for as long as it remains a vibrant community but I do not kid myself that, in 12-18 months time I will be clearing out a drawer and stumble across my then forgotten GTab, with a delighted exclamation of "Oh I remember that. Who would have believed that things have moved on so much since then".
[G Tablet General] dfin13:
I do get tempted to just get an iPad2 and be done with it, especially when I see cool apps being developed for it on a seemingly daily basis. The hand-holding and lack of widescreen, plus the lack of widgets, keeps me from taking the plunge. I like to tinker with my tech, but I also like for it to just work as well. There doesn't seem to be a happy medium in the Android tablet world at the moment.
[G Tablet General] jayune:
you know i felt exactly the same, the fact is i have never used an ipad before last Thursday heck i have never seen one in person until then either, my biggest issue with the ipad is video, its not ideal for video playing, the fact is not one of my videos are in mp4 most are avi, mkv, and some flv youtube rips and none will play without being converted and there no fine tuning the video player to set the aspect ratio, coming from vlc player on the pc its kinda hard......waiting on the jailbreak to try alternative players

but reading on this thing is amazing, being a huge manga and comic book fan its just incredible for those purposes(one of the main reason i got into this whole tablet game)
[G Tablet General] butchconner:
Some Missed the Point....

I have enjoyed immensely reading all the viewpoints associated with this thread.

Many good points have been made and a few silly ones also.

But please don't miss my original point whatever your personal view.

In the G-Tablet with Froyo 2.2 or Gingerbread 3.3 -- plus all the ROMs and

improvements -- we actually have a very good tablet.

I think a lot more can be pulled together to improve and make it even better.

I've already got my money's worth out of my two G-Tablets. But I'm going

to continue to get my money's worth and enjoyment out of them until something

a lot better than what I have seen so far comes along -- and includes all the

fruity stuff too (don't like to be hemmed in!).

Rev
[G Tablet General] lllGurulll:
I'm one of the people questioning my purchase...

1. battery is nowhere near the 8-10 hours claimed

2. I can't find a ROM that I like enough to stick with.

3. Nvidia dropping support

4. having to hold the tablet just so to view a video for 2 hours.

5. already have several apps that don't function correctly on the tablet.

I bought this with the knowledge that there will always be a functional user base to keep it updated. But if VS is going to drag their feet on any updates and Nvidia dropping support I just don't feel very confident about the purchase. $300 has been my price point since tablets first popped up.

This was my one worry with the HUGE influx of units being put out there so quickly. It just feels like they were dumping them all because they were not planning on continuing to support the product since they have XDA kind of running with it now.

I like this tablet but am asking myself daily if it was worth the money or not right now. I really do want to be wrong on this.
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
There appears to be 2 models of gtab floating around, based on people's reports. One has a better screen and battery life.

Ok.

I haven't found an issue with this yet.

Hold it upside down. Or get a stand.

*Gasp* You mean some softwares are incompatible? Where have you been since they first invented the computer? Every computer user at some point will have to face the cruel fact of life that not every software out there is compatible with his system. Windows users know this. Mac users know this. Linux users know this.

I'm not saying your complaints are not legit. But you should have known these "issues" before you bought the device.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I am, as well (comics). The iPad's IPS screen is well suited for the task. But the problem is their horribly locked down approach to things - it's why I couldn't keep my iPad1 -- I owned one for several days before I returned it.

Look at IPS screens coming soon for Tegra tablets, like the Transformer.
[G Tablet General] lllGurulll:
Bud, I have never owned a tablet before and had no idea what to expect other than what people posted here. Prior to last week, all I ever heard was how great this device is. Now, here we are with one of the big developers upset with the lack of support from the company that put this product out.

sorry if it bothers you that I am feeling a little buyers remorse considering the big 180 we are seeing this week.

Of course there are not problems with the nvidia issue yet but the fact they are dropping support concerns me. The app issue also concerns me because I hear other people having no problems with the sames apps on their device.

As far as holding it upside down, you can't do that while watching a video. At least my unit won't do that. I don't understand for the life of me why everything else will flip around when you turn the unit upside down but videos will not.

I'm just frustrated right now because, believe it or not, I like the device but all the bad news is working me over.
[G Tablet General] snapz54:
responded within the quote above.
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
Hang on a second here. If you heard nothing but how great this device is, then you didn't read enough. ALL things you listed that contributed to your buyer's remorse have been written about for months.

It doesn't bother me about your buyer's remorse. It bothers me, however, that people like you are confusing Robert's complaint about VS's support (or the lack thereof) and the gtab. The gtab is still a great device, one of the best on the market.

Personally, I'm one of those people who have had no problems with most apps I want to use.

Ok, sorry about that. I haven't seen a single video on my unit. Didn't buy it to watch videos.

Again, I bought this device fully aware that VS might drop support at any time. Yes, I'm a wooter. ALL reports on the internet about the gtab for months made it obvious to me that for some reason VS isn't too fond of the gtab. It's like having a son that you wanted to become a doctor but now you don't want to mention him at gatherings because he became an engineer instead.

I still don't understand what VS's problem with the gtab is. It's the perfect poor man's tablet. It's fast. It's cheap. It's responsive. And my elderly dad has begun using it as a 10 inch gps unit. And as soon as skype releases a video chat app...

My advice to you right now is to put your gtab on ebay right this minute. Then at your earliest convienience go to an Apple store and try to get an ipad 2. At least with that unit you don't need to read carefully what people have to say about it. Why not get the xoom? Because with $800 the only advantages over the gtab you will get is the screen viewing angle and a buggy and laggy honeycomb 1.0.
[G Tablet General] jayune:
roebeet have you ever tried the jailbreaking scene i think your contribution would of been welcomed, i admit if not for the possibility of jailbreaking i would not have purchase the ipad, well i do nothing but read and surf the web on the it since i got it, since there no jailbreak tool available yet.......the lock down is killing me lol im waiting
[G Tablet General] dfin13:
The gTab has its faults, but battery life, for me at least, isn't one of them (see attached screen shot). Granted I haven't been using it constantly over the past 14 hours, but I've been using it "normally," which to me is set up at work, checking email, playing a turn in games, browsing web sites, listening to music, etc. Maybe a little time on the crapper. And there's still 33% left.
[G Tablet General] fridge011:
Xoom is actually 589 for wifi model and they're coming out with a 16gb model that should compete with ipad pricing so 499 maybe less for wifi only. still more expensive than gtab and has buggy os but it will be fixed in future and not 800 dollars.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I'm more of a user than a dev, especially where Apple is involved. I give those devs credit for risking their devices like that.

I had the JB for the iPad1, but even JB'd it was still such a pain in the neck moving cbr's to apps like Stanza. Two to three minutes to copy one file, and it failing half the time (no joke). Android is just drag and drop - and once there's an IPS Tegra then speeds won't be an issue. Although I'd almost consider buying a non-Tegra just due to my distaste for Nvidia, right (the SmartQ T10, for example).

In retrospect, SFTP might have been an option, but the damage was already done. And I couldn't buy an iPad2, even if I wanted to right now. :)
[G Tablet General] cbay:
my impending boycott:

no_honeycomb(Google+Nvidia+Viewsonic) => (Bing+ATI+Whatever)

Based on my consumption patterns this hurts Nvidia the most. :)

My main problems are due to

1. Within the next 12 months, I am sure there will be apps which i would love to have which will not run on my gtablet (as well).

2. If you think of any tablet apps you want to write, forget using your gtablet as a test platform.

:mad:

-An Angry Wooter
[G Tablet General] lllGurulll:
Well, I just moved to the VEGAn Tab 7.0 GB Edition myself so we will see if maybe I can get similar results with that.

I would be thrilled with anything over 10 hours.
[G Tablet General] lllGurulll:
You missed the portion of my post that stated my price point is $300 evidently. I already have an ipod touch. I don't need an ipod touch senior citizen edition especially at their price point.:)

I still have the option of returning it to TigerDirect but most likely won't.
[G Tablet General] g0t0:
I love my VS. It was a great price point for a 10inch tablet with the only dual core in the market. Even with Xoom out, at 700$+, its still a great price. HOWEVER, with ASUS coming at the price we think they're coming with, its hard NOT to abandon the VS for something better.

For me, I have a few bucks stashed away. I can sell mine and make the difference up to buy a transformer. If you have the money and want the newest thing out there. Go for it! just don't cry about your buying habits here. These forums should be for developing, using, critiquing, and asking questions about how to make your g tablet run great outside of VS's horrible original os.

Have a problem with the ROM? voice it here. Have an issue with VS support go there and piss and moan about it. All you wooters bought the tab because it was cheap and better specs than what is out NOW. At an average of 280$, it still IS. If you hate it so much, sell it and wait in line like a fanboy for 6 hours for the ASUS.

My Rant is done:D
[G Tablet General] edirector:
I'm with you they did a recent survey on what users were doing with their tabs most ipad users playing games. Gtab users Modding and learning new processes. I will take learning over playing games. Although I do play games to take a break. Edit: rom not Roman I'm on gtab.

For most they probably don't get how this device and VS role has helped them to learn what's under the hood and what makes these tablet devices run smoother. I love to tinker on this device. Every time you flash a new Roman it is essentially a new toy.
[G Tablet General] manfly9884:
So...You've taken to flashing Romans have you???!!!
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
This is gonna be a problem then. The gtab really is the only sub-300 tab out there that could function just as well as the 500+ tabs.

There is an unverified rumor flying around that the VS has switched out the screen in the newest gtabs and that the new screen has a much better viewing angle. Keep your eyes open for further detail on this to see if it is true or not. I'll be visiting the office depot when I have the time to take a look at their display gtab.
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
Flashing Romans is fun.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
If this was verified, I don't know if I'd be happy or angry. :D
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
I'll tell you this. I've never been a crook in my life, but if this is true I will go to home depot, buy a gtab, open it and swap it with mine, take it back to home depot to exchange for another one, and then go to another home depot to return it.