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[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neoprimal:
Yes, that's exactly what's going on here. The screen on the Acer is so inferior, when I look at it I can't see a thing! - the colors are so washed out and blurry (JUST like you see in the pictures!), B's look like D's and A's look like Z's, man you can't read a thing on there with your eyeballs; so I found the need to have to acknowledge (and thus apparently without effort manage to criticize the superior screen of the TF and upset at least one person) a few people who are seeing light bleed (which is an artificially found problem, btw - because it's impossible for anyone's TF to have a fault) for whatever my reason is. Laugh away man, it's extremely funny and just absolutely ironic.

:rolleyes:

Moving on to people with a life and some actual sense...

What do you think your resolution will be to the problem? Are you going to keep it (as in it's not too bad in daily use?) or will you return it? It would suck to send it in, wait a long time and get something that's worse. From what I'm seeing it looks pretty bad right along the back key/home key and a few specks along the bottom and right side. The right side isn't too bad and I doubt that spills through to media or normal use. I imagine from the backlash you're getting you're going to have a really difficult time finding out if it's just a few of you with the problem or if it's general, since some people are convinced it's not a real issue. The ipad 2 has a bit of that as well but it doesn't look like that. If you guys can take some pics at ISO 200 or 300 it may cut some of the normal corner lighting out and show up the bleeding areas more - might, not certain about that.

Is it noticeable when you play video that much? What about gaming? Aliens is a movie that's dark for a good 50% of it. From the picture the bleed is worst by the back button and home button but I'm curious to know how noticeable it is in movies and games. If it isn't then maybe it'd be worth it to just live with it considering what you'll have to go through with returns. I'm anxious to know what you'll decide to do.

GL.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob1971:
Jesus wept, just how is watching a movie an 'artificially found' problem?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] checkbox111:
I'm glad to see you agree with me totally 100% :)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kermode:
Ah! Important factoid not know to me :D

Can we get tablets with AMOLED ? :)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
Doubtful, since Samsung have recently said that they won't be producing any AMOLED tablets this year, and they are very much the torch bearer for AMOLED technology.

To be honest, I suspect it is a cost thing - larger screen AMOLEDs are currently far more expensive to create than LCD screens.

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luca47:
I received today the replacement for the transformer I bought on the 13rd april because of light bleeding and I can say this one is worse indeed! Other than the same leakage on the right and the bottom, now there is a less lighter but more vast area on the upper right corner and if I keep the tablet in landscape mode with the hand in the lower centre (with ASUS in the upper left corner) the pressure of the fingers on the back results in more light coming out. I guess this is not only a glue problem. I cant understand why people do not think this is an issue! Everybody wake up in the morning with a £100 note under the pillow? Everybody at work can go so wrong on details with no consequences? Do you think all of you will use it just in a sunny field? Do you think I'm mad or peaky asking again for a replacement (or for a refund waiting for a more stable and reliable production)? And the third one how will it be? my 2001 samsung 19'' LCD monitor has still no bleeding at all, and the same for the other more recent monitor. I think £380 is a good amount of money and I DO want in change a good product. This is a screen-centered product so ANY light bleed marks a product like this as BAD. And these are the conditions out of the box when you can return the product with no hassle. What about if in a month or two or whatever the problem just get worse? I do NOT want to wait months for a repair, which probably will not solve the issue. Do you want to be cool and afford the risk? please, go on, but do not come back complaining...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] braway:
hmmm

I haven't checked my tf the way some people tested it,

but yesterday night, I didn't notice any light bleeding, with auto brightness,

and google books in night mode...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frysee:
[Q][Survey] Is your Transformer still working? :)

greetz
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob1971:
Just received my exchange transformer. I made sure I checked for light bleed before I accepted it.....

The good news: The bad light bleed is gone on the left hand side, and overall is better.

The bad news: There is a very, very large amount of even worse bleed on the bottom right, which I only missed because the advertising sticker covered it up when it was still in its packaging and the brightness was at about 10%. I noticed it 30 seconds after the delivery guy had left with my old one. :(

EDIT: I tested further against a black you tube video and I gave up at 14 - yup - 14 stuck blue sub-pixels. There were probably more but I really couldn't be bothered. I haven't even taken the

This could be a long process :) Still, I love the Transformer and will take my chances.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smashingblue:
I got light bleed on mine, so eventually it'll go back to ASUS or I'll just return it. Light bleed at all is not acceptable to me.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingwp1:
moved to next post
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingwp1:
I'll admit I didn't read this whole thread, but has anyone addressed the issue of edgelit vs backlit screens? All edgelit screens exhibit light bleed, under some condition. Backlit screens are better as far as light bleed on the edge of the screen is concerned, but then you have light bleed around the edges of extreme contrast areas (example- the ending credits of a movie: white letters on a black background)

I bought a Samsung tv when they first started advertising the LED tvs. I got an edgelit model. It had light bleed if I sat on a dark channel in a dark room. So I exchanged it, and got one that was a little better, but not flawless. Someone in here mentioned they heard the iPad has light bleed issues too. I would suspect that's because these devices are LED edgelit IPS screens. Though, I haven't turned up anything through googling to support that.

Check the specs on those monitors. My guess is they're actually CCF backlit TFT screens. That's comparing apples to oranges if these newer devices contain LED edgelit IPS screens.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob1971:
Interesting. However, I'd expect uniform bleed but I'm seeing areas of pronounced bleed and little or none in others.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qhinton:
glad i have an Acer

The light bleed seems to be a common on the Asus and that sucks considering now much we went through to get one.

The Asus seems to have a lot of quality issues. Jumped ship and not regretting it.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luca47:
second step

the image is at 75% br

yesterday after my post here, I also posted on asus uk FB page. the answer was:

"Strange - we haven't encountered this issue with any of our test units or with any other customers. Might be a faulty unit."

After that I discovered a post on a forum (dated back two weeks!!) saying:

"I received this in response to an inquiry about cases today, looking promising but without a time scale...

'Glad you are loving the transformer and can only apologies about the light bleed. More stock is on its way!

Cases for the transformer should be landing in retailers very soon and other accessories will be available shortly. As to what they will be is still being confirmed but we will put up a post on our websites as well as facebook and twitter when it has been finalised.

We are aiming to ship out the keyboards as soon as they land with us at the office.

Regards

ASUSTEK (UK) LTD.' "

marketing fault? What's the point to have a f@#*%$g FB page if you cheat your customers like that?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smashingblue:
If mine looked that bad I'd be jumping ship immediately. Thankfully it's not hard to sell these things, although if it was that bad I couldn't very well sell it.

Mine is very minor, but has a light leakage dot, which bugs the hell out of me.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markteacher:
A picture, as they say, paints a thousand words.

(and just to rub salt in the wound, discovered the gap along the side of the screen mentioned in another thread! 'Hello, is that Comet? I have something I need to discuss.....')

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80pSCclf9Eg
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingwp1:
You're right, those pictures do say more than descriptions can. I wouldn't tolerate that much bleed either.

Also- I found my answer about the edge lighting. Both the Transformer and the iPad are in fact LED backlit IPS panels. So, you should expect less edge bleed.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Canadoc:
Bad news for all of us. Light bleed occurs on all models. The it is part of the design of the tablet. Push down on the screen bezel area and you can make the light bleed. Move and change because the screen floats on a rubber gasket. As such it changes light bleed based on pressure,
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donatom3:
Aren't all LCDs backlit. Edgelit is a term used when they only use LED's on the edge of the screen and not the whole back, while using cathode on the rest.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob1971:
That was the first thing I noticed with the Transformer, that light bleed would change depending on how much pressure I exerted and where when holding. However, my first one now looks like a perfect screen (although it wasn't), compared to the second one I received.

Mine has more lightbleed than Mark's (although just in one spot) and 14+ dodgy pixels. If I could get my old one back I would and just call it quits!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Canadoc:
Fact is the problem is overblown. It is there but you need to be in dark room looking at a dark screen with nothing bright on it and the brightness at a level not typicalof nighttime viewing. So for me Ican live with it asit in no waywo dens my viewing of the devices.

Cool just realized this Asus keyboard does swype like stuff!!!

:-D
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob1971:
Sorry, but most of that is incorrect, at least in terms of my tablet, but if you are happy with yours then cool. As I said before, I wish I'd stuck with my original tablet now, even though that one wasn't perfect. I would have kept it if it wasn't for the brighter area of bleed on the left hand side compared to the small sections on the bottom edge in landscape (see the pic I posted above). However, the bleed affecting my new tablet is larger and can be seen in daylight if the brightness is up to about half. It washes out any colours under it, although it has most effect on blacks.

In a darker room (not necessarily pitch black) on a grey to dark webpage/film/book etc it is obvious even with the brightness at a minimum. If there is something bright on the screen to give false contrast to the eye (Make blacks look blacker) it is still glaringly obvious. It isn't just a small area either, but about the size of a golf/squash ball. The annoying thing is that the bleed from the other parts of the screen is much better, with just this one large part being the problem now. However, it is far too large to simply overlook.

It seems like most if not all have *some* bleed, but that the better ones may not have enough to annoy people, but just because you have one with a level that is acceptable please don't assume that everyone else is seeing the same on theirs. I wish they were! :)

That explains the garbled text in one or two of your sentences! :p ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kermode:
So is this 'less' compared to other tablets?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orion01:
I have one stuck bright pixel and some minor bleeding along the bottom and right side of the screen. Some times though there appears to be other stuck pixels that happen randomly. Should I contact Asus and see what they say and request a replacement? It does bother me now that I know the defects are there but they are not noticeable unless certain conditions are met.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Canadoc:
Perhaps you are right. I suspect the seal at the worst part is not as tight or even. I wonder if you try applying pressure at the worst spot if it makes things better. If so then you know it was a poor fit and you should replace.

The big question is whether given the limited supply any bleed is acceptable?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingwp1:
No, in edgelit LED screens, the only light source is from the LEDs around the edge of the screen. They use some sort of light transmitting film ("lightguides") to allow the light from the sides to pass through the front.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kingwp1:
I would say that with the backlit design, you should expect "less" compared to an edgelit panel (I don't know if there are edgelit tablets). However, Asus is saying that you should expect "none" with this device.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r34p3rex:
I think this is the primary reason for bleeding. I wonder if the problem could be fixed if we opened up our TF and applied pressure to the metal ring around the LCD panel
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mpmz71:
I wanted to add two pictures to show my light bleeding. I figured it might help out others, and I'm also curious if mine is as bad as others.

Mine seems pretty bad to me, and I'm not really all that picky. I may try to live with it though as I don't have any dust that I have found, don't have the speaker/audio level problem and only one dead pixel.

What do you guys think? One picture is 100% brightness in a semi dark room, and the other is at 35% or so which is what I keep it at.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Canadoc:
Well I too had no dust or dead pixels. Today I have a small piece of dust. Guess the screens are not well sealed so I think over time given the gaps dust will be a bigger problem. My light bleed is similar in size and location.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dec3ption:
It must be a manufacturing thing, because mine, as well as some others I've seen, has the same amount of bleeding in the EXACT same places. I guess we should just wait it out to see if they fix this, then possibly RMA it I haven't gotten used to it yet...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FrayAdjacent:
I have a little light bleed on the left side, but you REALLY have to be looking at it from a very flat angle to see it. You'd never notice it straight-on. Doesn't bother me one bit.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graffixnyc:
I dont know about anyone else's but I can speak for mine: When I first got it, I **Barely** noticed two spots along the bottom one in the middle of the notification bar and one closer to the home, back keys etc(didnt bother me at all)... I've had the transformer now for a week and these spots have gotten bigger and more noticeable, and now I'm starting to get one up the lower left side corner and another spot starting on the right side corner. I do think some people make too too much of a big deal about it but I do also think there is some validity to some of the claims. Maybe the pressure of the dock or something is putting some strain on the screen when docking it or opening/closing it? maybe the pressure in a confined area when holding it one handed as opposed to having the pressure evenly distributed when holding it two handed?(you know when you push on a lcd screen with some pressure) shugs..
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dustindw:
It is entirely possible that mine has gotten a bit worse - but I'm not 100% sure. I may have only focused on two of the more noticeable areas. I'm going to watch it over the next week to see how it goes.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fusiontech:
I have similar light bleed in similar locations although less on the left side, more pronounced on the right side, and negligible on the bottom. No dust that I can see for now (knock on wood) and no dead pixels that as far as I can see. For 90% of my usage the lightbleed isn't that noticeable, but it's very annoying for the remaining 10%. Trying to exchange it at amazon now, or call ASUS for RMA.

Note: My unit is one of the first batch that they sent out on amazon, perhaps the later batches don't have this problem?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dustindw:
I just submitted a ticket through the Asus site describing my backlight bleed problem and I attached a picture. I am just doing due dilligence so that I can go back to a thread I started with Amazon and see about getting my return window extended out so that I can order another Transformer when they get more in stock. We'll see how that works out. <crossing fingers>
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madsquabbles:
that's basically how my first unit is. on the first day i check for light bleed and it really wasn't any worse than what i'd expect on such a large device - this has to have good amount of light sources to make it visible. by the 5th day there was bad bleed on my lower right and is pretty distracting to use as a reader - i read with black screen/red text in the dark. i've pretty much given up using it as a reader as the light doesn't get dim enough so the bleed doesn't bother me as much any more.

unit 2 that i picked up and returned yesterday had a crapload of bleed. even at the lowest setting it was annoying.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob1971:
You should use the screen filter app. It reduces brightness all the way down to pitch black (why you'd want pitch black I don't know though! :D )
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hanano17:
Let us know what Amazon says, I might do the same. I want to exchange mine, but I don't want to not have one around to use while the new one gets to me if I do that.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madsquabbles:
i've used it and it doesn't really dim the lights, it just puts a transparent layer over your screen. thanks for the tip though, it does great with web browsing at night and not trying to disturb anyone.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] psycho2097:
Well i got mine yesterday, and noticed some bleed today, at mostly 75%-100% brightness.one small spot at the middle of the notification bar and one in the lower right side. the lower right side one is extremely minor though. Even so, i got mine from walmart, so have a 90 day return policy.:) yea n the small right shift key sucks big time, but the asus keyboard is so cool. they really have taken the best of everything!!! stop complaining guys, this is way better than the ipad2. wow.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joebob23:
You sure it's 90 days from walmart? because i read that all of their electronics have a 15day return police.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Enectic:
Hmmmm, I think Wal-Mart has a 15 day return policy on computers.

Looked it up just in case:

Computers & Computer Hardware: Must be returned within 15 days of receipt.

Computer software: Must be returned unopened.

Camcorders and digital cameras: Must be returned within 15 days of receipt.

GPS units, digital music players, e-tablets, e-readers and portable video players: Must be returned within 15 days of receipt.

Not sure if they consider a tablet a computer or an "e-tablet", whatever that is.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scott21:
I returned my first Transformer after using it for about 20 minutes due to a dust issue under the screen. The one I got back from Asus was ok in the dust department but I noticed the light bleed. I suspect my other one had the same light bleed issue though.

Here is my question - does anyone have a Transformer without light bleed?

After reading up on my alterntives I am not convinced any of these tablets are immune to these issues. The iPad 2 has similar reports...

I really like the Transformer - just trying to make myself feel a little better about the light bleed. I don't think it is acceptable - just seems unavoidable.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bossxii:
Anyone have luck with an RMA type swap out directly with Asus? Mine has some pretty bad light bleeding going on in the lower right corner. It overtakes even some dark/low light movies which is the only reason I would bother returning it for another unit. I can deal with a little light bleed but mine has enough to take the time to return it for another.

If anyone has dealt with Asus please let me know.

Post a video if anyone is unsure what light bleed is. Also just happen to show the random wifi disconnect from the KB dock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjHJ_dkGKSQ
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scott21:
Mine was an RMA with Asus - even had the latest firmware when they sent it so I think it was a new batch - very similar light bleed to the pics in this thread on the new unit. Would love to hear if someone has a good unit out there...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimbob1971:
Well, I feel somewhat qualified to comment on whether there are TF101s without light bleed as I've seen 5 in the flesh (4 owned by me and 1 an instore demo model)

They ALL had light bleed, ranging from the completely awful to the one I own now which doesn't show in a dim room if the brightness is under about 20% (which is fine by me). Out of the 5 I've seen I'd say 2-3 had acceptable levels of bleed. (IE it didn't unduly affect the display, but could still be seen)

So, the bleed itself can be minor enough to be discounted as a defect or severe enough (bright , large and patchy) to be a constant distraction. Those on this thread who have claimed it is an "artificial" problem have obviously seen more of the mild cases than the 'omg there is a golf ball sized cloud on the edge of my screen!'. To be fair to them, I think my current one is almost perfect *relative* to the other ones I had.

Incidentally, I swapped mine in store in Comet. When I turned up the staff just looked at each other: Apparently three had been sold prior to me, and all three had been returned with light bleed. (Two were the same guy though). They asked me why I was bothering in persisting! :D I had to tell them it was a great tablet. They did tell me that one guy returned his for FCs too, so maybe he was being a little picky (the irony, I know)

I think that folk just need to realise there is always going to be some bleed on these devices (unless they alter the design), and decide whether it impacts them. For me, I'd happily have kept my first one had I known it would take 3 more to receive one that was better not worse. Of the 4 I've had one was ok-ish, one was truly awful and I didn't take it out the plastic, one had acceptable bleed but I sent it back for other reasons (stuck pixels, gap) and one is great. The demo model I saw in Comet was similar to my current one, so people would be happy with it I think.

FWIW I think the two I tried yesterday feel sturdier and stronger at the back with less creak, so maybe they have been altering the production process