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[Windows Phone 7 General] yeahyeahyeah1981:
Really the only things where it suffers are in the app department....once the OS gets it legs(another year or so) it will be on par if not better than iOS. It doesn't beat out the Iphone 4(definitely better than the 3G and 3GS) and some android phones. I say some because Android is highly dependent on the phone you get. With Windows Phone you can pretty much go with any phone and they all work well. Im on my 3rd month with it and I still love it. Ive been through sony android phones, the iphone 3GS and a bada phone as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Absolutely not true, actually just the opposite.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
it's ok .
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I want you to to tell me a single Android device which is as efficient, fluid, and responsive as any WP7 device. Even the Atrix (dubbed as the world's most powerful phone, as is every Android device) is significantly laggier. I don't know what fastasy world you live in, but especially stock Android devices are disgustingly laggier... But you're anti-WP7 most of the time, one of the few users I constantly expect a rebuttle from when it comes to anything positive for the OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
There goes the thread...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well if you read my whole post you'll see I also see good points.

Maybe you just can't stand different opinion, I don't know.

As for the fantasy world, I have both devices in front of me on both systems,

LG E900 and SE Arc and in many scenarios Android is more snappy, as well in many areas WP7 is better. But in general WP7 is laggy too. Absolutely not like a fresh device.

And now I know this fluidity argument is just laughable, it doesn't matter until you compare to Symbian which is really a mess.

But otherwise there's no real difference in speed and fluidity, and considering how much more Android does - the result is obvious.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
thanks for the laugh :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
No problem keep on :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
To keep the OP with actual information, my phone has zero lagginess, has zero delay, and is more fluid than any Android device I've ever put my hands on, and I work in a mall with a Best Buy Mobile, and every other US carrier... I've played with almost all of them - from a real world standpoint

and I'm fine with opinions... phone speed and efficiency isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I never said WP7 was a better device, I stated facts. Just because Android has more "features" doesn't excuse it's horrible performance and the requirement for 10ghz to start in under a minute
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
These are not "features". These are FEATURES which make this platform serious while WP7 is just a contender.

WP7 performs mainly sweet but lags too. I use Android device and "it's horrible performance" is a myth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Okay, you're right, I'm so sorry. You have the only stock Android device in the world without lag... How could I doubt you? I also have numerous Android devices in my life, from my sister & mother, to girlfriend, to friends, to my daily walk to a food court at work. To the OP, I hope you've gotten enough information.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I think you just believe very much in WP7.

That's why you were denying before that WP7 has any kind of lag and now you reverse it.

Well I also have many Androids around me and they perform very well. And just look at Arc forum at Esato for instance to see what I mean and stop spreading this overhyped OS fluidity bull****. Fluidity will never replace functionality unless you just excite yourself about devices just for fun, without any real needs. To discuss further the lag thing we have to define precisely what we take as lag and fluidity of the platform and what is the tolerance.

Believing in the platform is very OK thing and I also look at WP7 development because it has potential to bring almost total ecosystem. If you add Nokia and MS that may be big.

But twisting facts is not really OK. Once I quit beeing a fan only and concentrated on reality - how the device really delivers - I started to see it a bit differently. And WP7 superiority is only a future plan ATM.

But there are many people who accept WP7 as it is and for some that's enough.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Worse ActiveSync Support, worse Social Network support than WM 6.5 + HTC Sense. No WLM Client, etc.

No, the user experience is actually worse than WM 6.5. WM 6.5 and Symbian have user interface and hardware support issues, not user experience issues.

As long you're not constantly wishing they look like something else, they work fine. Same for Blackberries...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
WP7 has laggy performance in 3rd party applicaitons, not the base system. The Android lag is barely noticeable when it's there on a majority of phones, and that lag is worth dealing with to get a phone that does more.

You know you sort of failed when you release a smartphone OS and lots of people who buy it feel like they still have to keep their Android/iOS/BB/whatever smartphones because you left so many gaping holes in functionality.

Who gives a **** how smooth WP7 is, if it fails to provide so much functionality that the user finds good, and is locked down so tight that getting that functionality is virtually impossible because even the development community is basically barred from delivering it.

And The Windows marketplace isn't even close to being on par with Apple's App Store. There is way too much **** in the marketplace and developers seem quite content to let buggy apps sit for months without an update because there is so little competition in some areas. That can't happen on Apple's App Store. You'll just get plummeled by competition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dickturpin1976:
i f@#&ing love windows 7!!! lol :D:D came from the TD2 - HD2 route and this blows them out the water man! now using an omnia 7, the screen on this badboy is the **** believe! the colours on this screen blow you away. never had an android so dont really know what there about. not interested lol. by the way the omnia 7 was the flagship windows 7 phone. not sure at the moment but check the vids out on the net this thing is lightening quick!. but dont take my word for it check the net out! speed wise, it out does the HD7, say no more! carry on your debate! ciao! lmao:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
User interface and support is part of the user experience. Which is why some WM and Android phones have a **** user experience.

WP7 obviously isn't for you, but don't cry that it lacks certain features that most people don't use or care about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
While that is true, it also very much depends on who coded, or rather how they coded the app. More and more apps these days don't have the lag you saw in earlier apps. People are coming around to the fact that it takes a little more knowhow to deliver a great UX than simply sticking a ListBox on a page, fill it with hundreds of items and calling it a day. MS even said today that the way they have enhanced performance (in these exact areas) for Mango is by doing what responsible developers are already doing - putting the heavy lifting on a worker thread.

As for not noticing the lag on Android, you've got to be kidding me? Sure, you may not notice it as much as you do in certain WP7 apps, but it's still there - all the bloody time. The reason you don't notice it is because it doesn't "stick out" as much because the entire OS lags whereas WP7 is all fluid up until you launch one of these poorly written apps. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

Furthermore, if you feel like an Android phone "does more", then you should obviously be using an Android. Nothing wrong with that, it just means you are using your phone differently from the masses. There is no "one fits all" OS out there, if you go with iOS you're going to miss out on certain functionality unless you jailbreak, if you choose WP7 you're missing out on other features and if you go Droid you may get features galore but you give up the UX you get with iOS/WP7. I've said it before but I'll repeat myself - Android is not to be compared with iOS or WP7, it's a completely different beast, best compared to older WM devices. At least for now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That is quite true, Android feels like WM "extension".
[Windows Phone 7 General] CDODGE:
The best thing to do is research what apps you need and then decide. WP7 UI is way better and is a little snappier but it will not make up for needed apps. If there are apps you need that are only available on Android right now get android but if you don’t need to load up your phone with a bunch of apps, WP7 is fine. I have had 4 android phones and I will never go back unless they make a huge change in their UI. I have tried every Launcher for Android and not one of them gave me the user experience I needed. Launcher Pro came close though but the launcher does not help with navigating through apps. I love that in WP7 all you really ever need to do is swipe up and down to navigate.

The only apps I truly miss from Android are Google maps and Google voice. All the others I used are already on WP7 and plus now I have Netflix which Android does not have yet.

As far as performance goes the ONLY area that is slow for me is the market which will (hopefully) be fixed once I get my NoDo update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
I hate to say it, it's just an observation, but.....

Wouldn't you be happier on an Android forum?
[Windows Phone 7 General] zeus.stn:
hope more devise coming soon............
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
User Interface is part of the UX, but it's not the majority of the UX. The UI just gives most users a first impression, and lots of users tend to make strong opinions based on those first impressions (e.g. If food doesn't spell good, will you still eat it? Most people say "No thank you.")

Anyone who wants to use their phone on a work Exchange server with policy enforcement will be SoL with WP7. Exchange isn't niche, given it's marketshare and ubiquity...

Sending Video over email/SMS is not a niche feature.

Decent IM experience is not a niche feature. Downloading and saving files to your phone is not a niche feature. Background updating of Social Apps like FB/Twitter/etc. is not a niche feature.

Augmented Reality apps like Layar aren't niche apps these days.

Opera Mobile is not a niche application.

Furthermore, how do you know most people don't care about it? Because some WP7 defenders in a forum said so? Cause you say so?

Cause, Microsoft's proposed Mango additions/changes speak otherwise, as did the applause in the audience as they were going through trivial features like searching for apps and Radio Applications that can play Audio in the background without major headaches...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Nope. It's a WP7 issue. Look at the MIX presentations on the listbox scrolling. Developers won't even have to change a line of code. The issue was in the Listbox control. It's terrible, right now. That's why it performs so terribly. It's not the developers' fault. It's Microsoft's fault. I've already said, long ago, that it was a platform issue causing the performance issues with that control (which is widely used due to Metro's "design"). The issues are too widespread to even think otherwise.

The fact that they enhanced it in Mango won't change the fact that we have to deal with this terrible performance for months. Apparently they have a lot of the Mango stuff already finished/finalized. They should have pushed more bug fixes and performance enhances instead of the small NoDo update.

I didn't say it wasn't there. I said it was barely noticeable. And people who use their Android phones, and only their Android phones, will not know what you're talking about 90% of the time when you talk about lag. You're trying to make it a much bigger deal than you think it is. Not having an HTML5 Browser Now, or the various missing APIs Now in WP7 is a much bigger issue than the lag in Android UI.

The masses? Are you kidding me? Android + iOS have over 40% World Marketshare, and you're telling me I use my phone differently from the masses?

And again, I have both a WP7 and an Android device with Active SIM card that I carry everywhere, as well as an HD2 with WM6.5.

I don't need to use anything, I just need to choose what I want to use at any given moment.

LOL @ Android is not to be compared with WP7 or iOS. You're saying that because Android is a more capable OS than both of those, and comparing WP7 to a more crippled (and equally, if not more so, locked down) competitor (iOS) makes it look better. That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum in a long time.

"Ignore the market leader and fastest growing mobile OS, basically in history... Compare it only to Apple's premium product that is priced out of emergent markets that Microsoft+Nokia will exploit to bolster WP7 marketshare..." YA MAN!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
N8ter, please stop persuading people Android is not laggy or the lag and glitches are not noticable. They are very noticable and annoying when I tweak my Android phone just for fun, especially after I adpted WP7. Even the crippled listbox performs better than the Android browser now.

Anyway, everyone who would agree with you already made the switch. Other people here won't change mind no matter how much you explain the Android defects are reasonable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Where am I trying to persuade anyone of anything?
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Not sure, but I read you a lot telling people how bad WP7 is comparing to Android(also the defects of Android are minimal):D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
They're coming:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/microsofts-latest-wp7-chassis-spec-includes-second-gen-snapdrag/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/nokia-w7-and-w8-tipped-as-first-windows-phone-models/
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If you aren't sure, then why are you opening your mouth?

And where did I say the defects in Android are minimal, or anything to that effect (I'm GIVING you some room to work with here, for free). Quotes are appreciated.

What I did say was that the Android system is complete to the point where it's relatively small deficiencies (compared to competing OSes) are not a big deal.

Do I care that someone with a relatively crappy phone is crying that they get lag in the UI, most likely while using some fancy Live Wallpaper? No. But the "lag" is not as unbearable as people make it out to be, nothing close.

It is nothing like the roadblocks people are hitting on WP7 ATM due to missing features and APIs that severely degrades the UX compared to other platforms.

That is all. Feel free to PM me the quotes if you wanna take it there...
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
WP7 user experience is much better than WM or Android. u mad cuz this is true?

90% of people don't even care about that ****. Why do you think so many people use an iphone? Most people don't really care about NoDo either. The people on this forum don't represent the majority of WP users. Mango changes were announced to DEVELOPERS so of course they're going to love the changes to development after Mango. They will have more freedom to make what they want
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
if you want to get into stats, 99% of people don't own or don't know **** about WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Ditto. Double standards among some posters here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] avat2v:
WP7 ? RUBBISH!!!

android??? ASTONISHING!!!

I have both of them, actually I have 3 android phone and 2 WP

both the WP are suck, just trouble trouble and trouble

WP7 comes with bugs

android comes with sweets

if ur looking a phone looks like the old WM like 2002 2003 6.1 or 6.5, android is the answer
[Windows Phone 7 General] EleCtrOx666:
Well I have to say, if you're critizing Android without never used it at least try one of the better Android phone, not a ZTE or something like that, a high-range. If you did and still find it's not smooth enough, maybe you have used a phone I don't know about(and I, for example, don't know anything about Motorola).

I have been using high-range android smartphones and all I can say is that it's really fast, and nearly zero bugs(to not say zero). And it was very smooth. Animations are adjustable('All', 'Some' and 'Disabled'), and overall I feel like I can do anything very fast, and then switch to anything else, without having too much fancy animations, but having some to make it feel smooth.

Then you would probably say me : you never had any phone you could compare with and by extension you never had any windows phone 7 device ! Yes it's true, never got any WP7, but I got the OS you're trying to obtain(or at least his functions), iOS on iPhone 3Gs. I really don't liked it, because of a lack of customization, but that's another subject.

I read three main criticize on Android:

- Fragmentation : well, you know, since 1.5 Android fragmentation didn't really existed, it's something Apple invented for Android. If you're totally sure fragmentation is a big problem for Android, I invite you to watch this video from Google : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-62tRHLcHk of course this applies for Applications also.

- Updates : Well on that point I have to agree. Can't say much, though I have much hopes for announces at Google I/O for this subject. But WP7 doesn't seem problemless on that point neither, from what I have read.

- Smoothness: explained above

This message is not a troll, it's just to say you're judging Android to assure yourself that you're not the worst OS of the three(or more) main OS, but you currently are(IMHO of course).

Though, I think WP7 does have some future(I am interested in seeing what it becomes!). But trolling Android will not get you faster to a WP7-fully functional phone.

PS: forgive me for my english writing skills, if I wasn't clear you can always ask me for explanation, I will try to do my best.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
WP7 is as great as Zune. Zune was superior to the iPod in many ways. Including UI, and Audio.

Where is Zune?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Of course it's way better than Zune. It makes calls, checks mail, has lots of apps, I use it as a satnav device, check and edit documents for work, you know, all the stuff that makes the difference between a music player and a smartphone.

Your point is well taken, of course, having a superior product doesn't guarantee its market share and success. But is this what the topic is about?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
The topic is how good is WP7. I answered the topic, without getting into the usual OS war BS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
-smoothness

I have been using Galaxy S for 6 months, tried Atrix4G, I think I do have some high-end Android experience. It's neither as smooth as WP7 nor as smooth as iOS. Maybe you just didn't try an iPhone long enough.

It's not really fast. WIth some highly superior specs it is fast, but not always smooth. Glitches in browser never fixed unless some manufacture skin improves a bit. Some other random freezes exist.

High-end Android phone cannot avoid bugs. Just like many other Google products, Android remained and will remain in beta status for a long time. It's very usually for a highend Android phone to get a buggy system, regardless if it's Nexus(random text, random reboot) or Optimus(browser crash). There are also bugs in WP7 and iOS, but we can see how long MS and Apple test their stuff before launch.

-fragmentation

Theoretically, maybe it can be solved with proper programming. However, it's not solved in fact.

Apps still run into problems on different phones. For example, there are still a lot of games Atrix 4G cannot play because there is no approriate data pack for Tegra2. Another example, the recently released Air Attack HD cannot run on Nexus S for a few week because of compatibility issue. Yet another example, Moboplay UI is messed up on my Nook Color.

As a user, I just everything works. I won't encounter such issues in WP7 or iOS. I call this the result of fragmentation.

-Update

The WP7 update problem is not exactly the same. Manufactures build Android update, devices are not guarentee to get the update. Then carriers control the release of update, carriers won't guarentee your phone to update with the manufacture.

On WP7 MS builds WP7 update, every devices gets the update. Carriers cannot skip 2 continuous updates. The problem on WP7 now is that some terribly recorded carriers like AT&T is postponing the update. Still they cannot push it back forever.

What I wrote above is not to troll Android. I had a good time with my Android phone, but I think many people are overating Android just for the list of features. Now a WM extension does not make me feel that comfortable, so I just stick with my WP7 phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] EleCtrOx666:
I didn't say the iPhone was as smooth as Android(saying that would be lying). What I ment was that Android was smooth enough to provide an excellent user experience(I had the iPhone for 6 Months so I had it enough to know everything about it, it's smooth but certainly not as fast as Android imo).

Bugs: well I never experienced one. It's maybe luck, but random reboots never happent, or yes it happend but only when I overclocked the device too much and it got very hot, random text never happent but I'm not a heavy text user.

Now, I have the feeling that the Galaxy S2, the phone I am looking at, is going to be really smooth, the browser for example(with Flash) is GPU Enhanced(and far more better than Galaxy S 1) as you can see here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqxKHGO9HhM.

About your Nook Color: it's an unofficial Android, not approved by Google. That's the reason it doesn't come preloaded with an Market. Tablets were not intended to be on android for phones, so that's a reason the program's UI are not intended to be programmed for it. Honeycomb is for tablets.

One thing I can say is I never tested any motorola so I can't say anything about it, Motorola isn't popular at all in Europa(I actually never saw one), though I heard some really bad things about Motoblur, so you're probably right saying it wasn't smooth.

There are of courses some issues, but they are not as bad as people use to say. It's up to developers to choose which devices will be supported. If they select all devices and it's not working on all of them, it's obviously the developer fault.

About the updates, yes as you said I read that it was something with US operators so it's not as bad as Android update system.

Don't get me wrong, no OS is perfect, neither is Android as I can perfectly blame his update system, and I am a bit attracted for WP7(as I was for iOS) because of it's update system, though it miss some obvious features for me. If Android don't fix up the update system, I could be attracted by something else like WP7 if it gets its needed features, cause I really like the UI(even if it's quite limited). But for now, I love Android and I will stick with it.

Though I can say I think the three main OSes(WP7, IOs, Android) can deliver some real pleasure for the user, as that was not the case with WM6.5, Symbian(yeah it's still exists but is dying), etc...