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[HTC Sensation] sharkonland:
After going through this thread, my decision has gotten even tougher. Ive been an HTC "fanboy" even since the nexus1, and no phone or company can beat HTC in that solid hand feel, not even the iphone.

I will say this though, HTC has been "secretly" following apple, I mean locked bootloader, slight changes to design, not that much innovation. Where is the HTC that first started with android, they were killing it and no one could compete, now they have just gone soft. I think the desire HD looks better than the sensation. They are taking the apple approach to enhance software more than hardware, but thats sort of pointless with android because users have soo many options that it does not matter. The HD2 was a killer device for its time other than winmo. I wish htc would be more unpredictable, slicker design, 4.5" screen, no buttons, all screen, better display tech, dual speaker, things that make you fall in love at first sight, but honestly the only reason im looking to get the sensation is because of the past devices ive had with htc, they really need to step up their game.

I will wait maybe a few weeks and then get either phone when it becomes cheaper, or maybe ill get the sgs2 now and if i dont like it, ill trade for the sensation when its out. :)

One thing I forgot to mention, funny how GOOGLE, the giant company who makes decisions for obvious benefit, chose htc for the first nexus1 and then chose samsung for their second device, coincidence, or they thought samsung had a better device. I personally think the nexus s was still kind of a fail but thats because I think they released it too soon to catch the 2010 holiday season. All i can say is time will tell, and I cant wait for some sensational reviews for the sensation, and see what the tech sites say. I say this because those sited dont have any affiliation and have use every phone under the sun and im sure they will give a fair decision, whatever that may be..btw srry for the long post.
[HTC Sensation] Acei:
It is possible to look directly into the DB and extract each test results, so it is sorta possible to plot "a progress chart" over time, I suppose. :)
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Truth be told, my single core MT4G outperformed the Galaxy S in the productivity index as well. I think that snapdragon just does better when it comes to productivity.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
No, I blame Samsung. Not only did it take then several months to issue a half baked patch for the faulty GPS, but that same patch ended up bricking countless phones. Oh, and it didn't fix the GPS either! Like I've said several times before, if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Samsung is crap, pure and simple.
[HTC Sensation] boostedb16b:
after looking at the videos on youtube.. im super impressed with the camera quality on the prototype they used... not that im into the whole camera thingy but for all you guys who are worried about that.. check it out on youtube. the sensation is really a great phone.. i some how suspect that the exploit to the bootloader will be leaked as this is their new flagship phone and they will want maximum support for it.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
what the hell is the point of this thread then if it says battle of the dual cores? what the hell do you think we are meant to do? just praise the sensation? the titles clearly says VS.

we came here because it says sensation vs sgs 2.
[HTC Sensation] Ruudfood:
For me, regardless of the hardware spec of the S2, it has to be the Sensation.

Why? Well I've been using Sense for some time now and after getting a Dell Streak last week the limitations of a device without the integrated software interface that Sense provides really hampers your productivity.

I'll wait for some feedback from real users before taking the plunge though.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Also, let's not forget that the first two phones to get updated to 2.2 (not counting the Nexus One) were the Evo 4G and Droid Incredible, U.S. carrier bloatware and all. Sammy didn't even begin leaking the international Galaxy S 2.2 update until late October, which was pulled several times due to various errors. Don't even get me started on the Behold II fiasco, where consumers were hung out to dry. Speaking of bloatware, a few years ago, I used to have an unlocked Motorola V3x, branded for the European Three carrier. The phone had bloatware to the gills. Quit blaming U.S. carriers for Sammy's shortcomings. Also, considering the fact that Sammy's Android portfolio is rather small, HTC wins hands down in terms of updates, a fact that has been acknowledged by many tech blogs.

****ty cameras? I beg to differ. My MT4G's camera is quite nice. Shocking battery life? The only think that's shocking is the fact that the MT4G battery lasts me approximately 36 hours, whereas I could barely squeeze 12 hours (if I was lucky) out of the Vibrant's battery. Oh yeah, Sammy's battery indicator was completely inaccurate and useless, a problem that they still haven't fixed. Speaking of not fixing, take a look at this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=878970

The lack of functional GPS was a hardware problem, yet Sammy kept spinning it into PR nonsense such as "Under certain conditions, the Galaxy S GPS performs less than optimally". What conditions might those be, lack of quality control?
[HTC Sensation] zkyevolved:
I think each phone has a pro and con. Just pick whichever is better. I personally like the design of the sgs2 but I don't like the weight. I like the notification led on the sensation but the camera will be worse and I love to take pictures.

So the best thing you can do is just pick the one you like the most. :)
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Why do you think that the camera will be worse?
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
US is the largest market, too bad SamSux is a FAILURE here.
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
This site claims to show video samples of several phones including the SGS2 and the Sensation.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DigitalLifeMag#p/u/5/GJu-0siHRjU

My impression is the Sensation stacks up well on the video aspect, but the sound is very poor. Lots of very trebly hash and almost no bass. Compare to the others in terms of sound quality. Just one initial observation.
[HTC Sensation] :
The battle is already won by Samsung. More than 200,000 sold within first 5 days in Korea (only in Korea!!). 3 million pre-orders across the globe so far. By the time Sensation comes out, GS2 will have a huge lead. HTC has a few more phone lined up this year in the same price range. So, no I feel even HTC is not too confident about it. Whatever way you see it, it will always be hard for HTC to trump Samsung. They don't produce core hardware components or the OS. Samsung (and to certain extent LG) produces almost everything of their own. Apple have their own OS, if not the hardware. As for camera/screen/multimedia, HTC will find it hard to trump Samsung/LG etc., It's pretty simple actually, to get the best you need to purchase from these companies. When talking about better camera in mobiles, you don't speak of HTC/Moto often. They are just "ok", nothing exceptional. I don't know how many HTC models supports mkv natively. GS2 supports that for sure.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Couldn't agree more.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Good for you, who cares.. it's all good for me as a consumer competition means cheaper phone for me.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
If you want to talk in terms of sales numbers, the battle has been won by Apple a looooooooong time ago. I'm sure the latest Britney Spears album will sell millions of copies. Guess what, though? Her music is still crap.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
+1 hahahaha MILF :D
[HTC Sensation] :
I definitely did not mean just the sales number. I don't think my comment was only on sales. More about overall package - hardware, screen, audio/video codec support and camera quality etc., It's interesting to note that HTC is releasing multiple models in the same price range. My

personal opinion

is that you have one flagship device, and maybe a few more devices in other segments.

As for sales numbers, Apple will have a hard time surpassing the all time superstar - Nokia 1100.
[HTC Sensation] zoro25:
Actually you make an excellent point.

HTC has been making "niche" phones for years.

In fact this forum got it's name from the old HTC phones released to the O2 network in UK. The XDA range.

HTC was unknown of at the time. Only recently has it been more popular. So I actually don't mind if Samsung wins the battle on this one. I'd actually prefer it if HTC and for that matter XDA forums went more underground like it used to be.

Since opening to more than just HTC phones the place has become a *****-fest.

I joined the forum in early 2006 I think and I was a lurker with a HTC phone for about 2-4 years before I think.

I actually miss the old days. So I say let Sammy take the title.

I equate it to an underground band you discovered and then they hit it big and get a deal on a major label. Are HTC cutting edge or trendy anymore?. Is it possible when you make it big?
[HTC Sensation] BBOOZE:
I looked at the Galaxy when it came out but it seemed there were a lot of concerns about low RAM or something, no? Have those fears proven to be nothing?
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Best comment i've seen...ever? :p
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
But they're doing the opposite? Instead of "doing their own thing" they're sacrificing the internals, the stuff the matters, simply so the outside looks more fancy just so they get sales from the more "common" consumer who doesn't care as much about the processor and gpu and "whatnot".

Maybe they're (attempting) breaking out of the niche?
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
The Galaxy S was supposed to be a flagship device. While it had a superior graphics processor, a SAMOLED display, and the ability to recognize multiple codecs, its GPS was non-functional and the phone lagged noticeably. Henceforth all the homebrewed GPS and lag fixes. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't wait to get my hands on a Galaxy S when it was announced. Unfortunately, I was sorely disappointed with all the phone's quirks. What really put the final nail in the coffin of my Samsung experience is when the supposed GPS patch (which, although it enabled the phone to get satellite lock, didn't make the GPS more accurate) bricked countless phones, including mine. I just don't trust Samsung to manufacture a problem-free product and support it.

I do agree with about flagship devices. When a company releases several devices that are almost identical in specs, it kind of defeats the purpose of having a flagship.
[HTC Sensation] ceroglu:
Amen to what you sad!

Also dont forget the US variants were nowhere near to international version in terms of support and updates. They dont have an official froyo update yet! Never again with samsung!
[HTC Sensation] :
Everyone has their preferences and priorities. I think the international version of SGS was much better than the US variants. But it's all good for consumers, we have choices and select whatever best fits our requirement. In the end, it's just a phone
[HTC Sensation] KingKuba13:
What's your point?

Galaxy 1 > Galaxy 2 in gaming score

Pathetic

Looks like they are both average in the gaming department.

Don't forget about the ancient resolution on the samsungs which make a huge difference in benchmark scores
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
Agreed. The screen on the SII may be awesome for prettiness and games...but resolution plays a big role in everything else...like pdf's, and etc that makes a smart phone "smart"...plus I don't see anyone being disappointed with qHD screen.
[HTC Sensation] :
This was done by a fellow member in the forums (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1071272)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-6qWG4fYHI

Those are all 1080p flash videos

I won't say the device doesn't perform outside the quadrant. I don't know if anyone has tried such a test in other phones, would be a good comparison.
[HTC Sensation] BlueGoldAce:
There is no denying the camera on GSII (or the orginal galaxies for that matter). Me personally...not a big deal, but to a lot of peole it is. It would be great to see HTC achieve the same feat, but their track record isn't great in this area. But who knows?
[HTC Sensation] :
Definitely. More competition, better for consumers like us.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Just two things. The UI is MUCH improved. The reviews I've read and watched say it's not the best, but it's a great improvement and not as "annoying" as the UI on the SGS.

And there's an app for the LED Notification for the SGS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prqoe9ErQsU

I'm hoping when I get mine it'll work or it will be updated to work.
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
Wait, you bought a G2X and now you want us to trust your judgement on the best phone? Hmmm, Sensation it is!

;)
[HTC Sensation] zkyevolved:
Lol. Thats cruel. Haha.

I personally like the sgs2 more. But I am waiting for more reviews. And I also like the sensation. The battery life is also a game changer. Most people are praising the battery life while on htc phones they're somewhat mediocre out of the box.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Based on personal experience, HTC battery life is far better than Samsung's. As I've mentioned previously in this thread, I get about 36 hours of battery life on my MT4G. With the Vibrant, I used to get about 10-12 hours, if I was lucky. Keep in mind that the difference between the Sensation's battery and SGSII's is only 130 milliamps (1520 for Sensation, 1650 for SGSII). I highly doubt it'll make any difference.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
True. But the screen is supposed to use less power/be more efficient and the processor is supposed to be more efficient, isn't it? (in the GSII.)

And my experiences of the Desire (despite THE AMAZING phone that it is, has a terrible battery life)
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Yes. There's no way to accurately predict battery life until a phone is actually used in real-life situations.
[HTC Sensation] BBOOZE:
Pretty passionate discussion here. I thought I was reading Apply fanboy posts defending their annual iPhone/iPad upgrades.

Anyway, if you look at the two phones you basically have a few major differences, at least as I look at it as a neutral buyer. Chipset/OS-wise, these phones will probably perform the same no matter what the "benchmark" tests say.

- Sensation has a better screen

- Galaxy II has more RAM (1GB vs. 768MB for the Sensation)

- Galaxy II is lighter

- Galaxy II has more storage capacity (16/32GS internal plus expandable storage)

- Galaxy II has slightly greater band coverage (HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 whereas the Sensation doesn't have 850)

- Sensation will likely get much better support from HTC in the event of any issues with the phone.

For this chap, having additional storage and a bit wider band coverage when travelling overseas I would find the Galaxy II to be the better phone to go with.
[HTC Sensation] Flexican:
I dont think so, tim

AMOLED > SLCD
[HTC Sensation] ptscon:
They both have advantages and disadvantages

SII

- better blacks

- better viewing angles

- more vibrant colors

Sensation

- better whites

- sharper

I would like the Samsung screen on Sensation ..but, in the end I would take Sensation over Galaxy due to software and physical design.

Sense just looks so great and adds a lot of functionality to the phone.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
+1 i totally agree! SGS 2 and sensation both have better screens for different factors, but the sgs 2 is better at saving battery.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
What does Sense 3.0 have that TouchWiz 4.0 doens't??

Integration and connectivity wise??

(Not too fussed about look atm)
[HTC Sensation] BarryH_GEG:
I'm curious about both. All the review vids just show animation effects and pretty transitions. The winner is the one that best integrates contacts, communication, and provides easy access to what I/we use the most. The SGS2 is out and no one is *****ing so I'm guessing it's good (bad gets tons of posts). I know the SGS2 is supposed to have a kick-ass Exchange client which will be cool. We'll have to wait for feedback from the wild after 6/8 to judge the Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Cause we don't like Samsux plastic crap. Ew... TouchCrap

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[HTC Sensation] samnada:
What evidence do you have for that conclusion?
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Not sure if this classifies as "evidence"

But Samsung's using an ARM-9 based processor which is more efficient at power usage (Sensation is using a heavily modded ARM 8 based processor)

And the Super AMOLED Plus is uses less battery. 18% i think. Of course not much, but every little bit probably helps.

(Please bare in mind, most of the info (apart form the 18% Super AMOLED Plus stats is based on what I read on forums)
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
Thanks. I just like to keep fact and speculation in separate rooms in my brain. :)
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
Just watched an official Samsung S2 demo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2Kp4ekWNs

It's certainly impressive. One thing I noticed though is on the TV display there are black bars on the sides, so it's not 16:9 format. The Sensation is spec'd as 16:9, so presumably it won't have this issue. Correct?
[HTC Sensation] twitter.com/#!/bertjee96:
I think I'll choose the Sensation.

Because Sensation has better design (my own opinion)

Because GSII is too big

And because Touchwiz sucks:)
[HTC Sensation] IJS-T:
As stated in the SGSII section of the forum, the battery in the SGSII gets drained pretty fast without a proper explanation. However since the Sensation is yet to be released, few can be said about a real comparison. But when it comes to touchwiz over Sense, personal experience has learned that touchwiz is the most annoying piece of software samsung phones contain.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who will agree with me and also a lot of people who won't do so, but to me Touchwiz has teached me in the last few years to never buy a samsung again. Besides that, Samsung has the annoying habit to stop developing old phones after a new flagship emerged. HTC on the other hand always continued updating their old phones, even after 3/4 years.

The Sensation looks promising to me, besides the fact that HTC refuses to try a completely new design(Never change a winning team pushed on to long?). I'm hoping to see a real comparison before I buy it mid June.
[HTC Sensation] schidddy:
dont know if this has been asked before but does anybody knows anything about the poor quadrant performance the sensation delivers? any logic explanation on that?
[HTC Sensation] MiKA7:
Afaik the qualcomm chips are the only ones that clock each core individually.. that should save you a lot of battery compared to one where they are simultaneously clocked..
[HTC Sensation] IJS-T:
Well according to this website:

slashgear.com/htc-sensation-benchmarks-with-sunspider-and-quadrant-12145810

"We’ve spoken to HTC, and they’ve confirmed that the firmware is definitely not “near final” and that their software engineers are busy working on readying the eventual builds for the mid-May release. There are also some questions over how well both of these tests measure the performance of dual-core devices, and HTC is looking into that for us."

I guess we'll just have to wait how the release-version will score in the quadrant test.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
960x540 > 800x480
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
I hope the T-Mobile (USA) version of the Sensation comes with the all black back and not the tri-color version. If it's the tri-color, I hope HTC offers the all black back as a replacement part for sale. Otherwise I may have to get out a can of black spray paint.
[HTC Sensation] samnada:
I'll likely use a cover anyway, but these pics, which are supposedly the TMO US version, show a back that's grey and black, rather than that brown color I've seen.

http://www.htc.com/us/products/sensation4g-tmobile#tech-specs

I could live with this, but the back color definitely won't be my deciding factor.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
I could be wrong. But I think there is only one colour. It just depends on the light your looking at it in. My Desire is made from an identical (i think) rubbery/plastic. (the non aluminium parts or the sensation) In some lights it looks black and in some it looks brown/purple.
[HTC Sensation] KingKuba13:
Got around 3000 sunspider with an atrix.

I don't think the Sensation will be getting any high quadrant scores stock because of its resolution.

People will be surprised at s2 with tegra 2 if that ever comes out with full potential.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Have you tried looking at a S-LCD out side while in the sun? You cant even see the anything on the screen and you have to go into the shade to view what you are doing. Come on, I base my decisions on overall + - not just cause of aluminum.

HTC Sensation is the first HTC to have a gyro scope what a joke and they still cant put in a decent amount of internal memory. If you drop a feather or a stone what hits hardest and gets damaged easier? Higher res just fits more things on screen and items a smaller thats all but the GPU and battery have to push out more pixels what for its not a desktop computer.

That video says view in full HD those bars are the TV.

Not to mention the higher ram, faster mobile network speeds, more internal memory, 2mp front camera, faster CPU and GPU, larger battery and greater power management with the CPU.
[HTC Sensation] :
Ram memory doesn't really matter look at the ipad2 and xoom. Higher resolution means I can view most things on a single page with out having to scroll. Ffc 2mp not a big deal since video chat apps are based on mostly the Internet connection. Tell the truth most ffc on phones are crap anyway. You sure samsungs is faster your looking at under clocked processor the sensation vs an overclocked the sg2. Better mobile Internet speeds not really mytouch 4g has gotten speed roughly around max 14mbs. I seen sg4g same speeds its all theoretically. I agree Samsung has superior gpu. But remember cpu should be somewhat better in the sensation as the cores work independently from each other. The battery isn't a big deal. It's roughly 130 mah more. Right now we are comparing a unfinalized os the sensation and sg2 which is finalized. Oh and about the super LCD I like it perfectly fine I don't use auto brightness my brightness is always maximum. I can see my screen in any light on my g2.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
So your telling me you can see and read a website clearly that is not mobile friendly? You have to put the phone in landscape and zoom in no matter the resolutions. Seems you are making allot of compromises. Try HTC's loud speakers poooft a kids toy micro phone is more louder and clearer.
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
The feather?

I figured it was a trick question. Am I right?
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Can't really compare these... Completely different OS, not to mention Android multi-tasks, like a boss.

iOS doesn't have TRUE multi tasking. Everytime I open IM+ (for example), it has to start up and re build my session. Some games stop you from playing music (i imagine one of the many reasons is to do with the fact the RAM wouldn't be able to handle it as well.)

My fb app also has to re build/re start itself. I've got my iPad with 256RAM and it lags when it's running iOS. 500mb (or around about there) MB simply would be enough (for me anyway) especially seeing as it's on an Android. (I say 500MB OR (around about's there) once the RAM used on the OS and Sense, which looks very heavy)
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
All true what you say, except relevance of resolution- its the future for all handsets even amoled. But when you actually come to use the device, personally the sg2 didn't win me over. The user experience is paramount for owning a device for a long time. A comfy design, and a sense skin we know is polished, could make the inferior Sensation the better handset. Will know soon enough.
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc...-galaxy-s-ii-flagship-superphone-fight-14017/
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
You are 100% correct. However, in the several months that I've owned the Vibrant, I looked at the SAMOLED screen in the sun many times. Much like the SLCD, I couldn't see anything either.