yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
^^^^^^^^^

@styles420 this is pretty much what I said who knows how many pages back

U beating a dead horse please for the love of God stop all the huts and blood are already dried up and the horse is clearly dead...

Sent from my Epic 4.1g bonsai plant
[Epic 4G General] abduljaffar:
Tep.. But just being sarcastic. :p
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
I was just expressing my satisfaction with my decision to bail on Bonsai. Those who donated before the move away from XDA obviously don't pertain to my statement because I specified those who were drawn into donating by the promises offered after the switch. No one is an idiot for donating to support the hard work of the devs.

Still, exclusive betas are usually reserved for proper beta testers who know what they're doing and are capable of fully understanding the risks. The posts I saw were from people hoping that Sprint would replace their phones for free - not the sign of an individual who knew the risks, in fact it seems more like the reaction of a kid that just learned a lesson the hard way ("oh ****, I screwed up... Think they'll notice that it was my fault?")
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
:D

I did know the risks of a beta rom, and took the risk and dont mine testing as i know how to recover my phone if it takes a ****, unless it totally bricks and thats what tep is for
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Guess you don't pay attention either...maybe some Ridilun would help but everyone here was pretty much laughing about bricking and were happier when they got their new phone. No one blamed the devs and none of them felt like they paid to be a beta tester. And FYI there are quite a few alpha tests done by volunteers before the software goes for beta testing by donor volunteers. And the reason why donors are selected to choose to beta test is because they cared enough about the product to donate and care enough to help out by putting the product through its paces and report back any positives or negatives. It is childish of anyone to assume we are paying for the privelege to be a beta tester. This thought process is usually developed by selfish drains on society that thinks the world owes them something.

Anyone here feel they paid to be a beta tester?....anyone?...hmm no hands raised.

Anyone out there feeling guilty for taking all that the devs can give and donating and giving back nothing but grief? Yes? You sir? Stand up so we all can see you.

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
I'm just laughing at the individuals who did pay simply for the VIP access, and were subsequently rewarded with a brick - they may or may not be posting about it, but there are bound to be a few. The Bonsai site advertised it pretty heavily in the quest for registered users and donations, so I'm sure at least one noob learned the bare minimum needed to flash a rom, and donated to a dev who's work he might only have read about, just to get the early beta that just bricked his new phone.

And I'm not laughing at their misfortune, but I clearly disagree with Bonsai's more recent decisions, and this is bad press for their site resulting from some of those choices
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
OK, now THAT I understood, and thank you for clarifying. I actually agree with some of that. In retrospect this probably should have remained in the private section on Bonsai's website but since there are so many who prefer XDA to the other website it was important to notify them to switch back to the stable public release. Again, thank you.

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Interesting, I'm on the Bonsai website and forum quite a bit and have never noticed any advertising for donations other than a donation link in the upper right hand corner of the homepage. The way I understand, at least as was in my case, Donors are not even made aware of the test program or any of the other goodies until after they have donated, and it's kind of an Easter egg at that as some folks still have to ask where to find the test builds.
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
No problem, sorry for being unclear in the beginning :-)

And the heads up is appreciated - I haven't seen a link, but there is always a chance that someone might try posting external links like someone did with 4.0, and it sounds like there is a mod to be avoided as well

So the beta testing process worked the way it is supposed to - my condolences to the unfortunate testers who discovered the hidden "paper weight" bug - future revisions will hopefully fix this feature so that it can once again be turned on and off at will via the power button, instead of becoming permanent upon activation
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
I haven't registered so I've never seen the members' side. But at the beginning (I haven't been there since), unregistered users who went to the site were greeted with a post stating the benefits given to anyone who donated at least $5 - including early access to beta releases before they went public (aka registered cheapskates, lol... just kidding, calm down)
[Epic 4G General] pre2epic4g:
your obviously uninformed concerning mandatory donations. research before you type and subsequently post.
[Epic 4G General] RandomKing:
Boy this is a long drawn out warning thread... Anyone mind if I sum things up a bit? :D

1. Bonsai released a potential paper weight mode for the Samsung Epic. As a beta version, it was made available only to those so dedicated to Bonsai roms that they contributed money towards the development effort. That said, it is a risk made clearly known, and among those faithful contributors, not all feel the need to continuously update. Keeping these beta builds private reduces these potential bricking incidents to only die hard Bonsai fans and has, in turn, prevented widespread failure and panic and TEP phone returns! :p

2. A minor addendum to point #1, if you registered to XDA, whats so hard about registering to Bonsai's site? You don't have to have the beta version, and clearly by this example, you don't necessarily want it until it's tested and produced by someone else first anyway! Although I feel the download links for the current version could be open, I registered nonetheless, and I am currently a SyndicateFrozen user.

3. Insurance is the greatest scam in the history of scams, because in many cases (such as driving) it is required and enforced by our own government! The best part is that they tend to scam the very employees that keep them running. That being said, without insurance, you're left to very scant, time limited warranties, or the prospect of re-buying your product. My Epics screen died 5 months after I bought it, and I had it replaced (with near-new refurb) for free thanks to TEP. And then subsequently got it replaced again a couple weeks later for another 2 minor hardware issues. While it is a great scam, it has it's advantages when you truly need it, and to abuse it openly will only further enable them to make efforts to screw us out of more money that we should rightfully give to these awesome devs. So please, if you brick your phone by doing things expressly not covered by TEP (although I strongly disagree with many of these "rules"), do XDA and the rest of the Sprint community the favor of not bragging about it here. I am an example of them handling enough legitimate cases. ;)
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Very Nicely summed up, i was shocked this thread of a simple warning could rach 22 pages :eek: lol and there is a lot of non related arguments in here :rolleyes:

As u summary is great im going to respectfulyl disagree with you on the the 3rd point u made

In my opinion if im paying 8 bucks a month to protect my phone for everything but water damage, i think i have the right to use it for a bricked phone as i pay an extra 100 bucks a year for tep and feel i can use it for a bricked phone, what the sprint store doesnt know doesnt hurt them.

Like many have said it is very hard to brick this phone, and im sure all the phones that are fixed or replaced with tep are from normal users not xda users as its a very small majority here, heck i think only one person in any of my sprint stores know what rooting is and doesnt care as he is a friend of my friends and is an repair guy, honestly i think i would make a better repair guy then my sprint stores..

All the people in the store have the stupidest of answers to questions regarding any phone, how they work at a sprint store is beyond me :confused:
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Well said. Only disagreement is insurance is for doing crazy things like swimming with your phone and revving it up to its full potential and unintentionally breaking it because of that. Now bypassing the $100 deductible may be the point you were trying to make. I am sure that techs will get the phone refurbed and out to someone else for less than $100.

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
(abridged to save space)

In response to #2 - I was able to download from XDA before I registered, 'nuff said
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
Just for the record, no phone is un-brickable. The two main developers of Bonsai have managed to brick 4 phones in alpha's. This isn't the first time we beta testers have managed to brick phones either. Many of us are still trying to brick our epic's on 4.1.0 at this very point in time, but were not having stellar results at the moment.

So why would we still be running 4.1.0 and doing our damndest to do this when *obviously* it's a software issue? Problem here is we don't think it is a software issue. At least not in the rom. Maybe something in the kernel, but that gets really muddy because they drew on the work of several other developers (as all rom developers do). There appears to be a possibility of the phone being able to overcharge itself for about 4 minutes, but that is inconclusive as to whether that would cause a problem or not. Were trying to get info on a specific chip in the phone, but its getting tough because it appears to be a proprietary chip. Anyone got any Samsung connections in their electrical engineering department?

Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
[Epic 4G General] RandomKing:
I may have been a bit unclear with point #3. I don't agree with TEP policies, and would love to change them. That said, they exist, so I'm just saying don't make it obvious. ;)
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
I didnt mean to make it obvious, i was just giving a heads up to beta users of bonsai not beta testers

For some business people probaly were on b9 and i was just warning them so they dont have to go through the hassle.

Also i only asked one time to verifiy it, and i confirmed to let my fellow bonsai people know that i did ended up getting a replacement easily cause i had tep.

Not trying to flash a big old sign, just this thread was jsut a warning..
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
^^^^^ :D

Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
[Epic 4G General] Dvin211:
Top Nurse

Not sure if this might help. I found this "*#0228# - BatteryStatus

Very useful real-time battery statistics "

I'm running EC05 stock, this is what I get when I access that code. Unplugged from my charger.

Voltage: 3912 (mV)

ADC: 0

adc_cal: 296

average: 0

VF ADC: 24

SOC Level: 71 (%)

Temperature: 21.0 ('C)

Temp average: 163

Batt ICHG current: 0

This is what I get when I'm plugged in and charging.

Voltage: 4073 (mV)

ADC: 0

adc_cal: 296

average: 0

VF ADC: 26

SOC Level: 71 (%)

Temperature: 23.0 ('C)

Temp average: 161

Batt ICHG current: 275

I figure if the problem is charging related, having the stats from a stock phone might help.
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
Thank you!

What you got is almost identical to what we've recorded while charging on 4.1.0 although I was monitoring every 30 seconds. Seems I'm going to have to figure out how to monitor in real time on a second by second basis.

One of our beta testers has bricked two phones now. Trying to figure out how he is bricking them is now the challenge for us. Might take a while... :(

Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
I suggest you run constant logcats and dmesgs to a file on a PC.
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
We've already done that to eight phones so far. What we would like is output every 1 second because we may be missing something inbetween the 30 second reporting we are currently doing. Got any good ideas or software? :)

Sent from Bonsai 7.0.3
[Epic 4G General] mousiluck:
What if the cause of th brick isn't solely software related? what if heat was the source of the brick but in terms of overheating the terminal connections to the mainboard so that they become faulty.
[Epic 4G General] brendan802:
did you try Odin with no battery installed??? I had a brick one time and the PC would not recognize it until I cut the power and tried it without a battery. That newer version of recovery shouldn't have made it in the Rom. Thanks for the heads up too good luck with tep/asurion.
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
All the tricks have been tried. The newer recovery isn't the culprit. There seems to be an issue with charging code.
[Epic 4G General] brendan802:
let me guess it doenst allow the phone to charge or be run off the micro usb???
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
No that's not the issue. It charges fine, till it's full. Then (for some folks) when you turn it off, it won't come back on, no matter what.
[Epic 4G General] brendan802:
thanks again will stay away for sure. I'm on acs waiting for cyanogen 7 but have been mixing up different roms/kernels looking for best performance and stability.
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
You would know far better than me, but they did add in cwm3.0.2.4, a new kernel and that silly overcharge thingy,(that we really don't need).

That's three relative unknowns all bundled together. Thats the reason I stood my ground and didn't jump straight in.
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
This charge code is part of the kernel? The first beta public beta was pulled fast, for issues related to the overcharge thingy:D. Maybe its still there and causing issues some how, IDK. One odd thing though is some people simply just turned their phones off and blam....insta brick.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
posted removed
[Epic 4G General] brendan802:
Acs is the best rom now hands down. I will stick with it til cyan 7. Just wanted to personally thank you k0nane and ACS crew for the awesome work. Sorry to everyone else for getting off topic.
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
My phone was bricked today as well. Got my replacement today. Good thing is this one can handle 1.4 overclock while my lastine couldn't go past 1.2. Yeah

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
Well that's good to hear, I hope everyone else that bricked has a happy ending. Did you have insurance?
[Epic 4G General] epic4GEE:
Your wisdom and insight is always welcome.....thanks.
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
Im still running 4.1.0 b9. For me personally, my phone has never run this good before. Hopefully it turns out to be the charging code or something else that wont impact performance when its removed as I've been running this for three days now and love it.
[Epic 4G General] yogi2010:
i was really loving it myself! was getting great battery life, speed, and i loved being able to choose between vibrate and silent with the volume buttons, like on Eclair. i was also thinking it was one of the best setups i've had on my Epic.... i may even flash back to b9 and just only charge with my external charger...
[Epic 4G General] decalex:
If anyone wants me to try anything with bricked Epic, I'm gonna hold on to it a bit. .. if someone happens upon a magical key combination or something :)
[Epic 4G General] 903tex:
This may be a dumb question. But is the problem with cm3.006? Or is it the bonsai 4.1?
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
It was a beta release of 4.1.0 which uses CWM 3.0.2.4 so stay away from both and I hear ROM Manager which is incorporating that too.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Seriously Matt? After all the random bricks? You just want one of those 1.4Ghz 4G face melters don't you?
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Wow...I am sorry and jealous at the same time! Sorry to hear MH but happy for your new face melter. Mine will hit 1.3Ghz but freezes at 1.4Ghz in Smartbench.
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
This treat made me lulz. Donate to brick your phone. Sound logic indeed.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
We understand what it means to run a beta version and happily accept the risks involved. Developers work hard to create custom ROMs for no pay just for people to complain when their music player skips. These people should stay on stock. I am honored to donate my time to help the developers in anyway I can. And you can see no one is blaming the Dev or crying about it. Rooting is no place for selfish cry babies.

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Well Said!! :cool:
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
I know that jaronow was looking for someone with a bricked Epic and no TEP. He wants to dissect it to see if anything is physically fried.

I'm willing to donate a couple bucks to help you since you don't have TEP.
[Epic 4G General] socos25:
??? I'm not on a side, I'm just saying you know the risks when installing a ROM. This is just the type of thing sprint needs to show that XDA and sites like it are costing them money. Do what you want, but advertising on here that you are screwing Sprint only does this community a disservice.

I'm sure you will be one of first ones complaining when you can't mod your phone
[Epic 4G General] ghostrid3r:
Not since the devs moved their business model to mandatory donations to beta test their roms, I don't support donation-warez in a open source community.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Have you ever donated?

I donate to the Devs for all their hardwork and if you had to the Bonsai devs it would have applied on their site so I am guessing no. I am sure there are plenty of DEVs out there who need a volunteer to beta test there stuff and since you don't want to help with a few bucks, then your time of dealing with force closes and bricked phones is probably the least you can do.

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Yes, because there are sooooo many of us returning broken phones compared to the millions of Sprint and Galaxy S users that it will cause Sprint to stand up and take notice. Oh and Samsung has nothing else on their plate. Read the Sprint Community Forums and all the issues Sprint and Samsung cause stock users....the developers here fix these bugs released into the masses. And yes I will be pissed if it ever comes down to some type of rooted lockout because then I will be stuck with the ****ty software Sprint releases with all the bugs that they deny exist.

Do you BONSAI?
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
Inversely, people who donated just paid for software that bricked their phones.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
I donated before the fact they switched for making a fantastic rom, 10x better then anything i tried as well as very stable with great battery life, even if you dont want to donate, u are still a beta tester regardless of it saying beta... as mysteryzemotionz said all custom roms are always beta even if it says final, here at xda we risk bricking our phones to make them better.

If u dont want to take that risk then stay stock... all roms have a risk factor, regardless of them saying beta or anything as well as mods, themes even rooted apps.

I donated because i appreciated the work they did, not to get early betas, in fact like i said i donated b4 the fact they switched and started giving betas to donors.

Support the developers for there hard work and not for beta access, :cool:
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
Donate to the Linux Foundation if you'd like to pay for the people who do the REAL hard work. Like Linus Torvalds.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
:o:):(:confused::mad::p:rolleyes::D;):cool::eek:

:p:p:p:p:p:p
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
i know, and it said beta on it so i took the risk, and am fine with that.
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
Exactly. I wasn't mad at all. I knew it would happen in time. All the people on here *****ing should stay stock. I had tep. I'm sorry if u didn't I would love to have donated my phone to someone to look at it. Just becareful though I saw someone said that they use an external battery so they are fine. I do too. I was switching my batteries out. I wad putting in a fully charges battery from my external charger. I don't charge with my phone. It has to be something else. Like I said I'm honestly glad it happenend. I needed a new phone cause my slider was falling apart. I'm just glad I can run at a blazing 1.4 with no lockups or nothing. I can also tell you guys that not two epics are the same. Let ne explain. My epic that was bricked could not run acs frozen rom more than 10 minutes without freezing. Even clicked at 1ghz. Trust ne I tried like 15 times. My phone now can run acs frozen like nothing with vision kernel at 1.4. I understand some phones can't be overclocked as much as others but there is something else too. I've tried to get acs to run on my other phone many different ways. Came from stick eb13 and ec05. Flashed it two times in a row. With my new phone it was one flash from ec05 and I good.

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
You previously had one of the unfortunate devices that had issues with the kernel. Now you don't. ;)
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
People just need to take a deep breath and relax, it will all be good, its just a phone and can be replaced. Also people just have negative attitudes on here, just get some more sleep at night or caffeine up or fricking eat and take a break from the phone or the computer is that is your main stress and things you do. Like u said i said and a bunch of other people know and said, it was a beta and u take that risk to brick it, also its not publicly released, and i agree musclehead i was probaly going to take mine in anyway for a replacement cause i had one of the very first ones and my slider on my kb was bugging me and wobbly compared to 3 months later when the rest of my family got epics where theirs seem 10 times better screwed on and solid :)
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
i never actually truly kept mine overclocked to even 1.2 long enough to test cause the phone is plenty fast without it and i like battery life better :p

So i wouldnt know if i can overclock or not, ill give it a shot on my new one i'm getting at noon :)
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
It's not about overclocking, unless you go to 1.3 or 1.4ghz. Undervolting is the source of the freeze issue.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
ya i didn't even venture into 1.3 so wouldn't know.. :confused:
[Epic 4G General] brendan802:
you guys must be unlucky I have overclocked 3 different epics all to 1.4 and only one would freeze with me playing angry birds for 20 minutes or longer.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
For all you selfish people who never donate and whine when something goes wrong please please please stay stock, enjoy the Sprint bugs and hours with their tech support. Clearly custom ROMs are not for you. You expect all this for free and give nothing but complaints. Sprint Community Forum is waiting for you.

No one put a gun to our head and said since you are a donor you must put this software on your phone. For some of us it is a need to run the best and fastest software first, for others it is a way to help out the Devs that do so much for this community. We all know the risk. If there was an experimental fuel that gave you extra horsepower and got 200 mpg and it was free or a small donation but the scientist was not responsible for damages...how many would still line up (my hand is raised)....because being the best with bragging rights is the American way (fife and drum playing Glory Glory Allelujah in the background) and I for one will not sit here and have you bad mouth America!

Sorry, that got away from me fast! :-P

Do you BONSAI?