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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The Vibrant got a third update 2-3 days ago.

Sorry to that other poster. Don't get Android or Windows Mobile phones from AT&T. iPhones are the only thing I'd use on that carrier because they block basically every update unless the manufacturer goes rogue and releases a Desktop Update tool and skips them...

Most people who get laggy scrolling on the home screens (most Android apps do not lag, what people usually complain about is the lag when switching home screens) get it because they're using live wallpapers on relatively weak smartphones.

However, when I use the Beautifult Live Weather Live Wallpaper with OpenGL support on my Vibrant and turn off the CPU Hog setting (:P) it's completely smooth and I can switch home screens with no lag...

Although stock android looks like crap, I think mid-range devices should all be stock, or as close to it as possible, because they don't really handle the manufacturer skins well...

EDIT: Also, what pleasure you get from using an OS depends on your requirements. It just so happens that other OSes have the potential to appeal to a much much broader user base than WP7 does at the moment, because it cannot meet the requirements of a ton of people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
if you live in the US, yes because everything from marketplace to maps, etc works. If not, don't get it
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It's impossible to do that, because how good something is is always comparative when there is competition. When the iPad released asking how good it was and just that made sense - there was no competition. But you cannot just say WP7 is good go get one without considering the alternatives, thus every thread that asks how good it is also (intentional or not, though I suspect it's mostly intentional) also querying to see what others think about the OS in comparison to the competing products.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I must disagree with you N8ter.

First how good something is depends solely on the consumer's needs. So even if Product A has better specs in 9/10 features than Product B but the consumer relies heavily on that 1/10 feature and only that feature then which is the better phone?

The point is it is all subjective. There is no absolute.

My eternal advice:

1. Gather together your requirements or what you need/want in a phone.

2. Do some research.

3. Try to get some hands on experience.

This is the only way to make the best decision.

And doministry, you keep claiming that WP7 is not more responsive than Android (even worse is actually laggier), but a poll on this website would prove you flat out wrong. I also question your sample size or agenda. Does that make WP7 better? No. But give Jack his jacket.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
So... that begs the question (which I posed in an earlier post in this thread); which car is better, a Hummer H2 or a Toyota Prius?

You can answer this question without saying either vehicle sucks and you can even say that one of them is better than make/model X without mentioning X by name and/or compare it's functionality directly.

Which product is best is subjective. It depends on you as a person. Sure, you can get a general view that product A is better than product B based on surveys and statistics, but in the end that means jack. If your usage patterns differ widely from the norm any statistical proof will not apply to you - similarily, if the statistics is provided by or commisioned by the makers of product A it will provide a skewed viewpoint.

In a "blind" test performed on the general public (by an independant cellphone publication) recently WP7 was viewed as the best closely followed by iOS. Android's results were mid-way down towards Symbian and RIM. Does that mean WP7 is the "best"? Of course it doesn't - as you have yourself pointed out it [WP7] doesn't provide functionality you need.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
But the problem with very technical websites is, and I do not mean to be desparaging, the people on it have lost the ability to empathize.

"X is clearly better than Y because based on the simulating I created this morning, X will be able to complete 83.62 of the tasks thrown at it with a 68.6% efficiency which vastly outstrips the capabilities of Y."

But I want a pretty phone with flying thingies and wooshing. Lots of wooshing.

The world is full of diversed people with diversed needs. As bizarre as this concept may seem, maybe just maybe, Windows Phone can fill someone's needs and they prefer the looks of a particular device with Windows Phone on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Obviously Windows Phone 7 is decent, seeing as nobody switched from Android to Kin, let alone have the debates over XDA lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
Kin was never meant to be better than Android. It was designed to be an affordable social phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
The homescreen lag is in general solvable. Just get Launcher pro and Most Cortex A8 based platform will scroll smoothly without live wallpaper and too many widgets.

Yes. Live wallpaper and Widgets are Android built-in features, but you can only have limited usage before you make your homescreen laggy.

This is another thing I think MS is doing right. A feature won't be released until they are tested and quality ensured.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Im giving an example. Obviously WP7 isn't as developed as android (yet).

But, they are improving. And at a faster rate.

Get off me. No **** Kin wasn't designed to be better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Customization has nothing to do with the issues many of us are having... The Brick Walls are. There are customization issues, but those issues aren't "we can't replace hte home screen." It's "we can't set a home page/change default search" and things on that level :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
I can honestly care less about android. I use wp7, and I like it 10,000 times more than android.

I've had android for 2+ years, and can successfully say that WP7 is better. Sorry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
When did you unsuccessfully state an opinion? I'm curious :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
But you are on XDA - so you can.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Sweet. You are right just besides the fact WP7 is not usable in half of the scenarios.

And native Wp7 apps are worse than Android ones.

Like email and browser lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zdncs:
which type of android devices did you use,it never happen on my galaxy s
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
WP7's browser is the best default one... Just saying...

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
H2 is better than a Prius, and here is why:

H2 is a roomier car, greater ground clearance, and if you want to hug a tree, and be "green" the Prius gets worse gas mileage than a BMW M3, I think the H2 will be in the M3 MPG category.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
The thing to look at (to me), is that it is a basic phone, and that's what I (personally) want.

Yeah, android does have the most apps, but how many of those are of good quality? I can play an Xbox game on a phone, and actually earn achievements. Android, however, has some of the most retarded games of the century, that end up getting uninstalled anyways.

My point is, there are different aspects of the phone that I particularly like better. And I use the Bing app for android, like it 10 times better. And Idk if wp7 has Gmail...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
The email leaves a lot to be desired, but the browser, from purely a performance point, is the best. It doesn't do all the other browsers do, but I do find it to be exemplary.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
What exactly are 50% of these scenarios? Give me a short list?

I want a phone that does the following:

1. Make and receive calls because it is actually a telephone.

2. I can download and install some things to entertain me.

3. To use the browser and get a good surfing experience.

4. Listen to some music.

A Windows phone cannot do these things? Is it unusable at these tasks?

N8ter, you own both OSes. Is IE worse than the other browsers or is that misinformation? All the information I have read says IE on WP7 is very good.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
I'm not sure I would say very good, but I'm not sure I would say that about any mobile browser as of today.

The thing with IE is that it is incredibly fast - sort of. It may take (I say may, not will - it all depends) longer to initially load than a iPhone but if the information you are after is halfway down the page WP will win, hands down, every time. IE renders the whole page at once (or at least it gives the impression of doing so - and this is probably why it may take longer to "load") whereas most [all?] other major mobile OSes renders what you see and the rest on-demand.

It [IE] does have some rendering bugs though and if you visit a non-compliant website your experience will be less than stellar. Not sure I would blame IE though as it's usually the sites using some sort of hack to support pre-historic browsers causing it.

IE also does not do text-reflow, but personally I don't miss this feature. Also, this is likely another of the reasons IE seems to much faster than the others.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, I can't. ChevronWP7 is blocked on NoDo, and if you seriously think I'm going through some restore/reupgrade/regedit/whatever mumbo jumbo than I dunno what to tell you. Wasn't WP7 supposed to simplify things compared to other OSes?

It's easier to install a custom ROM on android than to change the default browser search in WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Opera Mobile 11 on Android is so superior to IE 7.5 on WP7 it isn't even funny.

Yes, Opera is very good. Smooth as silk, Flash Support. Text Reflowing works perfectly. Hell, maybe someone needs to put it in a device and make it the default browser. It's certainly better than all 3 other stock browsers (IE, Safari, Android), and factorably so.

In fact, Opera Mobile has always been a good browser. There's a reason why HTC made it the default browser on the HD2 instead of sticking with IE. IE on WP7 has better compatibility with Desktop sites than WM's IE, but it still has a lot of work. IE9 will fix that, but until then we're stuck with IE 7.5 and there isn't even a chance of getting a decent alternative before Mango is released...

Text reflowing is a needed feature on mobile phones for Browsers, Email clients, and other types of applications (PDF Viewers, for example). The screens aren't big enough and on desktop sites made for desktop computers the font choices aren't always optimal for mobile viewing. Without text reflow you end up having to pan way too much because a double tap will still leave the text FAR too small to be comfortably read.

IE on WP7 is certainly usable. And there really aren't that many huge complaints that can be made about it. However, the lack of HTML5 support makes using some mobile websites a PITA (WAP vs. mobile HTML5 pages) and it does cause some pages to have missing elements on them. On an Engadget article in IE there is no link to go to the comments, for example, but that link exists on most decent Android browsers and in Mobile Safari/the WebOS browser. The lack of Flash support/poor codec support is also a PITA for review sites (not just for phones, btw :P) because you can't view any of the videos.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I have a few gripes with the browser but the email app is the best I've seen and used on any smartphone. Some may miss a unified inbox though, and while I don't use it, I can understand this idea.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
MS already released an OS with heaps of bugs and design inconsistencies, and premature.

there is no doubt WP7 maybe a good OS, but the first gen of WP7 device night not be a good device.and dayum...MS,we do not have that much money as you, to keep changing our device every season or months.

After MIX2011, MS announced they will release 1500++APIs,IMO, i think there is only 50 or 60% of the APIs are usable on first gen device.

lets talk about conclusion, people who love the WP7 is because they see the potential and future of WP7 would be good.And maybe they are MS supporter.

people who hate WP7, is because Money and the present situation. We paying the money,we want a device can do the things we want now and immediately...second point,first gen of WP7 device might become the shortest life device.Because,the next gen of WP7 device might include NFC,Gyroscope,higher resolution display,processor with better GPU and CPU...until that time,first gen of WP7 device will just like the Iphone 3g now,running fart apps,even making a phone call also lagging and etc....then you will force to get a new device....Good job MS,Good strategy...and all your money are in your pocket now....
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Well...I was more referring to the functionality of it. No folder making, no push, no separate notification sound for each account...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
No push? What do you mean?

The other two things you mention... They may be nice and useful for some, but I frankly never heard any complaints about lack of this functionality anywhere. iOS doesn't do it, and WM didn't either, IIRC.

What I'm missing is setting "quiet time" whereby mail sync would only work during certain hours.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
My first and only experience with a Blackberry was horrific. I got one of those Pearl Flips and it was so bad that I don't even look at Blackberrys whenever I go looking at phones. It was such a pain in the ass navigating around in the UI and everything was so intensely unintuitive. The battery life started out fine, but after a week or two, it just kept getting worse. It finally ended up not making it through a day of non-use (just leaving it set without any wireless on other than the cell radio).

I perceived this one and only, first-experience as a bad sign about Blackberrys. Maybe their other phones are okay, but this experience was so bad I won't dare bother with another. If anyone wants a BB, more power to them. I'm content to erase the memory of them from my existence.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I mean there is no push notification. My iPhone has push and I always get an email immediately after an event that calls for one. My WP7 just sits there like it's completely oblivious to its email gathering duties. My Inspire also lets me know immediately when an email is sent.

And as far as the other two things, that's legitimate lack of functionality, regardless if anyone complains or not about it. In other words, you can't say the email app in WP7 is better, or even as good as, the iPhone and Android email apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
From the pure performance it has huge problems with text reflow on many forums as well as just it doesn't open few pages at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
These things any good feature phone will do.

I can't write all the things are making WP7 crippled for me because of the space but basically it has to do with almost every aspect. Like lack of fonts, lack of flash and HTML5, lack of any file transfer and bluetooth functionality, crippled Office, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I certainly have push mail working, I get things pushed to my device instantly.

Sure, but you can't set up different sounds for different accounts in iOS either. Not sure about setting up folders on the phone. And so far the WP7 client has been the most robust for me and my colleagues here. These things you mention may be important to you, of course, but there are issues of that scale with any mail program in the world.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Well...all I know is, when my iPhone and Inspire jar me awake with the reception of a new email, my Focus lets me sleep all I want...lol. The only time it receives new mail is on the selected update schedule, which I have set to 1 hour per email account...same as my iPhone and Inspire.

True about the iPhone email notification sounds. So that makes the Android email app the best, iPhone email app second best and WP7 last....for functionality and convenience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
ahhh, location and time based sound/notification profiles are awesome. all applications bow to profiles. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] happypark:
If you have the update schedule set to 1 hour, then it updates only every hour. That's what you've told it to do! Setting the schedule to "As Items Arrive" turns on push email.

If the iPhone and Inspire are doing push email even when set to an hourly schedule, then they're not doing what is configured and therefore what is the point of the setting?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'd call this functionality comparison a bit superficial, actually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You must have a special WP7 device. Mine doesn't have the "as mail arrives" setting. The only selections are time amounts or manual.
[Windows Phone 7 General] happypark:
You need to be using a mail account that supports Exchange Active Sync such as Hotmail, GMail, or Exchange itself to get the option.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Nothing superficial about it...unless you are working for MS and are doing damage control.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Which isn't any different on iPhones anyway. It's plain impossible to have push services for E-Mail accounts that don't even support them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That explains it. I have 4 accounts and the most important one doesn't have that option...two account don't have it out of the 4. But it is available on my iPhone and Inspire.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Hmmm...I better have a discussion with my iPhone then. The POP account notifies me immediately when I do something online that sends an email.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
This is utter nonsense. POP3 protocol doesn't have any push capability whatsoever. You are imagining things or are confused, sorry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Obviously I know better. And I'm not taking offense. You are confused, and I'm pointing at this obvious fact. POP3 has no push, period. IMAP4 theoretically does, but no mobile OS has this implemented (apart from quirky third party solutions). Android's Gmail client, with Google being the advocate of openness and all that fluff, uses Gmail's proprietary protocol unavailable for others, but other OSes can get push using Exchange ActiveSync. Apple's MobileMe thingie may use their own proprietary protocol, which isn't available to others again. For everything else, EAS is used for push. That's it. If you get push from an account on one OS and don't get on another one, this means that you set up the account as EAS on one OS and as POP on another one. Plain and simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
No it is not better than other mobile OS and you should not choose it instead of Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
+1 ... Very true. I find WP7 lacking severely in comparison to iOS and Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
You can't prove it is better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Product F(RED):
The Pearl Flip was a piece of ****. There's a reason only one person I know had it. Blackberry Bold (and maybe Torch) are the only good ones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] suhongwei:
It is good because it is a new OS and it's quick, fresh and simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] counder:
WinMobi-7

I am totally disappointed with microsoft and Htc when they came out with windows mobile 7.The very basic function of a smartphone is neglected, its not like windows mobile 6.1 or 6.5... like cut,copy&paste,bluetooth transfer either

songs,files or ,movies and so on.. then whats the point of buying this smartphone like HD-7 which i own one... is it just for making and receiving calls and sms or mms?????Silly enough microsoft prove's again .. a leader who tries

to leads other but fails to lead himself.What are they programmes doing...a

programmer who is like 'No Brain To Gain" .People here in XDA are much more

thoughtfull and smarter then whose programmers working with microsoft.Without

volunteer from XDA, i think most smartphone user's regret buying smartphone running windows OS.I am really boiled up today when i cant do what i want

in HD7 and i did before in Diamond and diamonds2... lets opt for other OS and manufacture is this silly things continue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
With the "basic smartphone functions", WM wasn't welcomed by most user.

Without the "basic smartphone functions", iOS1 and 2 were successful.

There is no more WM, WM ends at 6.5. WP7 follows a new ideology.

BTW, ROM cookers are not programmers. And features are been added.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Product F(RED):
I still see it as an iPhone for people who don't want an iPhone in that both are simpler than Android. But what if you don't want a complicated phone, go buy a Nokia or something.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's because people were clamoring for something that worked. I remember how the market was when the iPhone was released. There was nothing but unreliable crap shoved down our throats continually. Then Apple puts out the iPhone and single handedly pisses off the entire cellphone industry by giving the consumer a full product. The industry was content to allow the consumers a few good things at a time and nothing more. But Apple gave it all in the iPhone. (not referring to features) The industry wanted to string people along like a drug pusher does to his victims...give just enough of what they want to get the money flowing and never give them enough to make them content.

Anybody remember the best display resolution MS would build in to WM? It was the res that remained stubbornly for what seemed like forever... 320x240. It wasn't till the iPhone came out that the market started seeing higher resolution displays.

You guys say what you will about Apple, but they are responsible for any goodness perceived in smartphones today. If the iPhone hadn't come out, the nice, solid surface of these capacitive displays wouldn't be here. You see...that is one example of giving the consumer too much. The industry believes we should be content with flimsy resistive tech and would never even dream of allowing the consumer the joy of a high quality display like capacitive touch. But Apple changed that when the iPhone came on the scene. I'd wager that is where the Apple hatred originated. From the rest of the smartphone industry pissed off at Apple for letting out all that goodness in one device. That means they'd have to get off their lazy butts and work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
This isn't true... Diamond is already on VGA and HD2 on WVGA. It was the display tech that limited the screen res of old WM devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Nope. It was the compatibility in WM that limited it. WinMo wasn't coded to handle higher res screens and MS stubbornly would not upgrade. And I'm talking about before the iPhone came out.

Also..in WinMo 6.5, it isn't coded to handle capacitive touch natively. The capacitive touch that the HD2 has and any other WinMo 6.5 device is provided by HTC or the device maker. http://pocketnow.com/software-1/windows-mobile-65x-is-for-capacitive-touch
[Windows Phone 7 General] Product F(RED):
It wasn't that they were withholding features. It's that there wasn't demand. I agree with what you said in the beginning, but the second half of your argument made no sense to me. Apple innovated by including everything that smartphones had at the time and what they didn't, but saying that they're solely responsible for where we are today in tech is bs. Any other company could have innovated, whether or not Apple stepped in.