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[HTC Sensation] dunn0w:
2 weeks ago i had my Nexus one in the washing machine.. it cant be repaired :(

But i can choose a new phone :D

Reading some previews and the Sensation catched my eye :)

Its coming in week 21 at VF here in Holland :)

Cant wait !

Sorry for my bad English :p
[HTC Sensation] dazza_84:
Gettin sensation on upgrade but have to wait till October :-( ,

What I have seen of it, I think it looks fantastic esp the lock screen, was a bit worried bout the camera quality and speaker quality but will still take HTC over Samsung any day, Samsung I believe do not look after there customers very well having previously owned a galaxy s, I for one do not want to be applying lagfixes for a device that they happily shipped out tut, and in doing so messed up my internal SD card tut, I love the whole sense experience, I find it much better than touchwiz.

Not too bothered about locked bootloader as i prefer stock Rom anyways.

Even though 1.72 update didn't go down so well with us desire hd owners, I still feel that HTC have better update services than Samsung.

My overall experience with both HTC and Samsung are completely different, I have had a few Samsung phones, galaxy s, g600,g800, wave and each and everyone of them have been missing things or just not up to scratch, ok so only galaxy s is android, all of them had good cameras but for me that was it,

This is my first HTC phone (desire hd) and I can quite honestly say that its brilliant, the whole experience is amazing to me, ok so camera and speaker are not so good (although I think camera has improved since gingerbread update) , I love sense UI, I think its super quick.

Anyways sorry for long post but just stating MY reasons as to why I can't wait to get the sensation in October ;-)
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Actually this is pretty much the contrary now :o

Samsung look after their customer much better than HTC now just look at what phones gets first updates : first froyo updates for the international Galaxy S appeared before the end of august 2010 unofficialy and it even get first official Gingerbread update in the world way back in March when HTC is just releasing some upgrades to their Desire HD ;)

Not to mention the tens new ROM updates a month between each major update that constantly improves it a bit

Too bad crappy US carriers delayed/blocked those updates just to add their crapware to vanilla samsung updates for the US variants

Btw "lagfix" for GS are useless since the first 2.2.1 update way back in November just check GS forums, and now samsung has taken that into account for the GS2 since its FileSystem is ext4 out of the box (the FS that was used for those so-called lagfixes)

But I agree for the Sense that look better than touchwiz
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
I'm jumping over to Samsung. HTC has not stepped up to the mark they finally decided to add a gyroscope to the device (first time ever) but have not bother to include decent internal memory.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCMDAWNz5Vo

Samsung make rockets for the Korean government. Don't forget that HTC had and wanted the SA screens but they could not produce enough so they had to settle for S-LCD.
[HTC Sensation] xHoLyx:
Well. Samsung has best phone. No one can deny that.
[HTC Sensation] howdid:
Another troll just childish, u will se Samsung will never have so awesome devs like HTC phones have especially when.I look at the desire section, a lot of them will buy a sensation and that's the reason why i will buy one to
[HTC Sensation] RellikZephyr:
i can! and will

the GSII is slightly better spec'd over the sensation, that is true and i wont deny that but i can Guarantee that the experience of the phone will be far better on the HTC

Samsung DOES make great hardware but im pretty sure they have inbred monkeys as their coding team

HTC also makes great hardware but the difference is HTC actually hires people who can code to make their UI

THAT is the main reason i will be choosing the sensation over the GSII. the base experience of the sensation will be strides above the GSII. And given the higher dev support of HTC over Samsung, the custom roms will also be a more pleasant experience

RellikZephyr
[HTC Sensation] dangerousp:
I agree.. The Sensation is better thought through and not just putting slightly better hardware in one piece.
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
In that case, North Korea doesn't have much to worry about. I am not too excited about the issues some folks on the S II board are having with their new phones (e.g. GPS accuracy, camera quality, wifi performance). It was my number one choice, not any more. Now I am trying to figure out next best choice.
[HTC Sensation] eisteh:
IMO the SGSII looks more like a toy than the Sensation does. I don't know why, but somehow I'm worried that the design quality is not as good as with most HTC devices.

Apart from that and the better UI on the Sensation, the SGSII is beating it in every point. Probably better display, better hardware, better battery, more internal storage (why does the sensation even have less storage than the DHD?!), more ram... And yet, I wouldn't buy it.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
The Evo 4G and the Droid Incredible already had Froyo updates by the time Sammy's update was just beginning to leak. As far as Sammy's Gingerbread update is concerned, I've read that Vodafone halted it all across the board, due to unspecified errors.

This is a bit off topic, but the GPS issue wasn't exactly remedied by the patch that they released. In fact, if you take a look at the Vibrant board, there are instructions on how to do a hardware(!!!!) fix by soldering the antenna.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Still with the GPS issues???? This has been such a pervasive problem, I hope that Sammy's rockets don't accidentally hit the US, if they try to attack North Korea! ;)
[HTC Sensation] redmotion:
I just did the sunspider benchmark for the Galaxy S II and it managed 3417. Can't post a link to the Anandtech site but they benchmarked all the dualcore phones in Feb (siting Optimus 3D (OMAP4) as the fastest - Samsung GS II went from 1 to 1.2 soon afterwards).

The dual-core 1.5ghz MSM8660 snapdragon MDP (Adreno220) managed 2851 in their quadrant tests. My S2 managed 3063 this morning (yesterday it clocked in at 2900+ so it varies).

So with the HTC Sensation running a 1.2ghz MSM8260 snapdragon I'd imagine it will equal the same ballpark of the LG2X Tegra2 result of 2670.
[HTC Sensation] lorezz:
trying to resist until december for the new "Krait Core"....
[HTC Sensation] FishTaco:
Actually, AnandTech sunspider test shows the LG2X only 12.5% faster than single core 45nm Snapdragon. They say "With a faster memory bus, Qualcomm's 45nm Snapdragon closes the gap between it and the Optimus 2X's Tegra 2. NVIDIA only holds a 12.5% performance advantage here vs. Qualcomm's single core 45nm Snapdragon. A 1.2GHz dual-core Snapdragon (the 8660) would likely outperform NVIDIA's Tegra 2 in this test."

Also in other tests (GL Benchmarks) the 8660 outperformed the S II (even if you do rough adjustments for differences in speeds 1.5Ghz vs. 1.0Ghz).

They both seem like very good processors with one maybe doing better in some areas and worse in others. There is no clear "winner". Maybe we'll get some better test results once the production version of the Sensation is released.
[HTC Sensation] hotzeklotz:
To make the choice even harder, it seems there is an Sensation version with 16gb internal! :)

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[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
It really does not matter for me anyway. Ill get the samsung rocket for now when the next best thing comes out ill upgrade. Usually upgrade every 6 months anyway.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Allot of variables to take into consideration. Dont forget the Samsung GS2's frame rate is capped at 60fps plus they had the 1Ghz dual core pre release version too.
[HTC Sensation] :
Isn't Samsung processor overclocked out of the box. 1.2 the sensation is underclocked it is a 1.5 stock dual core processor also the snap dragon processors work independently from each other.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Yes seems that way looking here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)

But CPUs can be overclocked by SetCPU comes down to personal choice.
[HTC Sensation] apprentice:
Here's the deal breaker for me...

The original Galaxy S looks like an iPhone 3

The SGS2 looks like an iPhone 4.

I do not want and will never want an iPhone lookalike. HTC all the way!
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Regardless of the rest of the specs. qHD is the future.

Which bandwagon will you be on?

Apart from the camera and speed, the latest phones offer nothing, that a HD2 with the right ROM can't do. Impressed with BOYPPC at the mo... rapid and 3d animations. Bang tidy! Spend ya pennies wisely. :cool:
[HTC Sensation] Flexican:
The 16 gig internal memory they added to the HTC sensation made it for me
[HTC Sensation] touness69:
Ya, just the thickness means all : 11.3 mm in 2011 is a shame, even the Galaxy S is 9.9 ! And I personaly find the design outdated, this curvy ugly thing just doesn't appeal to me at all

Don't forget that this snapdragon is still from the previous generation Architecture (Desire HD, Galaxy S etc), it is an ARM Cortex A8 dual core vs ARM Cortex A9 dual core in the Exynos and the TEGRA 2. It is basically for that reason that it is running at 1.2Ghz, for it to be competitive vs the others A9 chips running at 1Ghz... Initially though, because now that the GSII is finally bumped at 1.2Ghz HTC is left oppressed with only its eyes to cry ^^

EDIT: Troll left Aside, I live in France and it will officially be available here first on mid may so it will be very hard to resist to not buy it because it is still a nice piece of technology even with its subjective uglyness and Sense 3D is undoubtly far (far) ahead of TW4 :D

And HTC has always done nice things in the past (remember my faithful HD2 :rolleyes: )
[HTC Sensation] Vandam500:
I love you Nexus S but The Sensation is just too awesome

1.2GHZ Dual Core

4.3" SLCD 960X540 Resolution

768 RAM

8 Megapixel 1080P Video Recording at 30FPS w/VGA Front Camera

Gorilla Glass

T-Mobile 4G Support

Bluetooth 3.0

MicroUSB also a HDMI port

MicroSD Slot:p

And we all know its going to have awesome developer support :D Luckily its running Gingerbread right out of the box too even if it is on Sense.
[HTC Sensation] johnsonc:
I'd add couple of other drawbacks for "sensation" if GSMArena comparision specs are rigth:

1. weight 148 g (116 g for SGS2)

2. HSDPA 14.4 Mbps (HSDPA, 21 Mbps for SGS2)

3. No Wi-Fi Direct

So, SGS2 all the way! :)
[HTC Sensation] EleCtrOx666:
I made a little comparaison to decide what I am going to buy, choice is obvious.

PS : I Didn't add the SoC though the Mali-400 probably is going to be a better GPU, but we can't verify for now. And Bootloader is probably not locked on Galaxy S2 but for the HTC Sensation it is quite sure.

Sorry for eventual english mistakes!
[HTC Sensation] nomisunrider:
Need to see if/how HTC has locked this down...
[HTC Sensation] AllGamer:
that's nothing compared to the Galaxy 2 :D
[HTC Sensation] jeezus:
The only thing going for the Sensation in my books is the better resolution and that is not enough compared to the downsides.

Would be nice compare those side by side thou.
[HTC Sensation] Overlord Yuri:
There's the main reason why I might prefer the Sensation.

But I am getting the SGS2, and considering the rest of the specs I'm not losing any sleep over not getting an HTC aluminum phone this time. :)
[HTC Sensation] prittyboy203:
Sorry but that thing look sweet as **** when will it be out?
[HTC Sensation] open1your1eyes0:
Here's a comparison in benchmarks of the the prerelease 1GHz version and the Tegra2 version of SGSII as well as the HTC Pyramid (Sensation):
[HTC Sensation] dhruvmalik:
Certainly this is why Samsung to bump the Processor specs up. To keep people from thinking its a bit slower than the Sensation.
[HTC Sensation] EinPaul:
To correct your links:

smartphonebenchmarks.com/images/Samsung_GalaxyS2_Chart.png

phandroid.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/HTC_Pyramid_Chart-550x374.png

(Can't post real links yet, sorry for that.)
[HTC Sensation] EleCtrOx666:
Does that means on the second link that the Galaxy S 1 is faster than the HTC Sensation? Scores are not explained =/.
[HTC Sensation] Vandam500:
HTC says this summer.
[HTC Sensation] EinPaul:
Afaik, productivity is somehow equal to CPU power (SGS < Sensation) and gaming/games score ~ GPU power (SGS > Sensation).

Edit: And SGS2 >> Sensation no matter if you consider GPU or CPU. :)
[HTC Sensation] webstar1:
And ignore the fact u will not have aosp goodness or miui v3? Touchwiz will make the phone 10x slower to how it's suppose to run. My next phone is either iPhone 5 or HTC sensation.
[HTC Sensation] AllGamer:
this is going to be a hot summer, with some many new players (models) on the field

yet none that can match the spec on the SGS2 http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/specification.html

some stuff not mentioned on the page it's the 1 GB RAM, and dual WiFi N on 2.4 Ghz and 5.0 Ghz, and the Dual Core 1.2 CPU ;)
[HTC Sensation] onbacardi:
so hard not to preorder the SGS2 now....

i dont think there is any reason why not to!!
[HTC Sensation] onbacardi:
i have a feeling aosp will be available for sgs2 ;)
[HTC Sensation] Vandam500:
It looks nice but Samsung can't compete with HTC on build quality.
[HTC Sensation] kfgtboypsp:
Is this for the UK or US? Im hoping for both. If it only comes with 1GB internal memory to the US that would suck so bad. :-/
[HTC Sensation] thinhletien:
i think we cant compare exactly which 1 is better. Cause sensation have a bigger resolution so it will slow down the speed just like u playing game in computer with different resolution.

And 1 morething: sense 3.0 is really heavy.

if u wanna compare, just come down and wait until it release, after that, we can flash the mod clean rom for both of them. so maybe the result will be close to righ
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Maybe you guys have not heard of SmartPhoneBenchMarks.com. Check it out Pyramid lovers.

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ind...bench2011:Games&filter_cpu=all&filter_gpu=all
[HTC Sensation] zkyevolved:
I saw the site and the scores were low. Then I checked out the galaxy s2 and it's twice as high! How is that possible?
[HTC Sensation] MartijnMM:
And the Motorola Droid is 2x faster than the galaxy s2.

Says enough, its far too early to compare speeds, and believe me,

in the end they will be pretty close, to a point it won't matter.

1) Its sense VS touchwizzz.

2) Its sLcd (960x540) vs a Super Amoled Plus (800x480)

3) Developers adaptation / level of customization
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
just picked up a sgs 2 yesterday, it kills! im looking to buy another in fact! (or wait for semsation!)
[HTC Sensation] henrik.dk:
gonna buy s2 or sensation. I know spec wise, s2 is way better.

But I really like the look of sensation and the resolution.

I guess resolution is something I should not care much as the screen size are the same.

I feel like I am dummy not to go for s2. anyway sensation is not that hot S girl.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
Get sgs2 - you won't regret it
[HTC Sensation] apprentice:
Get the Sensation.. You won't regret it!
[HTC Sensation] abuserkadayf:
@olyloh6696

yo fanboy why dont you buzz of to your samsung section..

you just bought an sgs2 and now you just want to buy another one ? hahah sure buddy lool

iphone 4 looking plastic sgs2 or the htc sensation.... clear choice for me
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Thank god I have some help.. hehe I honestly dunno why these SamSux people think S G II is pretty muhahua. It's one ugly plastic crap i've ever seen. They keep coming in HTC thread telling people to buy their plastic crap.

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[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
I'm with you, epsix. However, I'd rather not get an infraction for feeding trolls.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Check out smartbench 2011 on the Android Market. I found a Vodafone branded HTC Sensation since Vodafone uk have it exclusive for 1 MONTH. Here is a screen shot.

tmp_134225689156.png:

As you can see it's just over a standard Galaxy S

Talk facts not crap.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Ill admit the only and I mean only downside to the Samsung is the plastic as you guys have pointed out. Its not any plastic looking at the overall package. Samsung gets my vote.
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
have you ever used the phone before? have you even tried the sensation? no you havent. i know i havent tried the sensation aswell, but i suggest the sgs 2 in favour. i never started slagging of the sensation.

also go read all the top android review websites... best phone atm - sgs 2
[HTC Sensation] olyloh6696:
go check the thread title. it clearly says VS. so ppl can share their own opinions.

you may be right about the cheap plastic feel, but i prefer the hardware to the sensation. it beats it in every way.

what makes you think i won't buy another sgs 2? do you even know me? no, you dont.

the money i haved saved towards a desire s (last few months is going towards another sgs 2. why do i even need to prove it to you? you havent even got either of them yet.

why should i buzz off? i can go where ever i want. its a free forum
[HTC Sensation] zoro25:
Now talking of someone who has tried a SG2.

It does feel light and to me cheep. (no creaking though when held tight)

I was going to get a SG2 for the screen, however the phone just feels like a toy and I couldn't live with the feeling for 2 years till my next upgrade.

I've decided on Sensation due to build quality.

The only thing that could sway me in coming weeks is where the Chefs go.

PS regarding benchmarks - To my knowledge all the benchmarks of the Sensation so far are with one of the cores partially disabled.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
@olyloh6696:

I trust the reviews as far as I can throw them. Last year, Consumer Reports (a major U.S. publication) branded the U.S. Galaxy S versions as some of the best Android phones. Not only were they NOT the best, they were missing some basic functionality and lagged like a phone from a previous generation. Let's not even talk about lack of support from Samsung. Too many people fall for the SAMOLED eye candy and ignore everything else.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
If you look at this photo you will see that the HTC Sensation has plastic ontop and bottom with a frame and aluminum band at the back its only all the back cover. They both have the Gorilla Glass at the front. If the phone is lighter it does not mean its cheap its just lighter weight build quality does not depend on the actually weight of the phone.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Since we're talking facts, note that every Galaxy S in that screen shot is overclocked to either 1.5 GHz or 1.4 GHz. The Sensation's productivity index (the green bar) significantly outperforms every Galaxy S on the list (by about a 2:1 ratio). It all comes down to whether you want a productivity device or a gaming device.
[HTC Sensation] zoro25:
Yes I see the picture, however it's the feeling in the hand. To me it's too light. I currently have a HD2 and am looking to move from there. I'm used to having a heavier phone.

I'm sure if I had the SG2 and then tried the HD2 or Sensation my thought would be opposite. However where I'm coming from (previous devices) it just feels too light and a bit like a toy.

I also wasn't wowed by the screen which I thought I would be. Maybe it looked better in bright sunlight, however in store where I saw it. The screen looked very ordinary.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Of course the productivity index is higher because both cores are at work proving that this test is a dual core test not one core disabled as zoro25 stated. The order of ranking is set by overall score but obviously the first model Galaxy S are just there for comparison.
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
I have had the phone since Friday, already dropped it twice like the silly moron I am, not one single scratch on the phone. I cant say the same for my Desire HD though, it may be metal but it is heavy, the metal dints and scratches......the heavier they are the harder they fall= harder impact.
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
Ha! Lack of support,, you mean lack of support in the US, because the carriers bloat your software, no such issues around the world,Samsung have been providing updates before HTC in most cases......blame your carrier not Samsung.

As opposed to HTC's offering of ****ty cameras, terrible speakers/sound, shocking battery life, low quality digitizers,
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
You guys are funny then go play with your plastic phone. What the hell are you doing here? This is HTC Sensation thread. Go to your plastic thread and praise all you want. Who give a sh@t. SamSux really need sales that much?

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[HTC Sensation] hitman818:
So you guys wont buy the sgs2 because its plastic and iphone-esc. If I buy a phone I want a fast phone with a great camera and gorgeous screen. I dont care if it is not a qd display it is the best looking screen in the market.
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Buy anything you want. To me it's crapy ugly phone.

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[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Get the one with NFC from the website. Whhoooo Whhooo!
[HTC Sensation] boostedb16b:
the sgs2 is a great phone.. it is samsungs apology for the other crappy galaxy series phones.. and still it has issues and its high;y over priced for an i-clone
[HTC Sensation] epsix:
Good for you, now go to your proper thread and praise all you want. LMAO

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[HTC Sensation] ceza_21:
I swear I heard that HTC sensation using the Samsung camera sensor...
[HTC Sensation] :
Funny thing about that is HTC processor is stock 1.5 dual core underclocked to 1.2. I think all benchmarks are going to be wrong. Since the HTC dual core processors work independently. I have feeling the other one won't respond. Unless the CPU reaches a certain stress level or something in the system triggers it. I don't think quadrant or smartbench are doing anything to stressful to trigger it.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Common guys look at this phone whats wrong with you! LMAO!
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Smartbenchmarks 2011 is made for dual cores the test runs multiple threads. If multiple threads don't trigger it whats the dual core sitting inside the device for.
[HTC Sensation] Acei:
I can't speak for other benchmark apps, but I can give my words that Smartbench 2011 will stress both cores when it runs all CPU tests (Pi, Mandelbrot and String tests). The app natively splits each tests into 4 equal loads and assign them into 4 separate (and independent) threads. In other words, it will stress up to 4 independent cores if they are available. Smartbench 2011 was designed ground up to stress multi-core processors.

On the other hand, graphics tests are totally different, since even on one-core devices, most graphics tests are bottlenecked by the GPU, not the CPU, hence having more than one core doesn't really improve the score in any significant ways. I've noticed that in some cases, CPU was the bottleneck but this only happens on devices that uses slow CPU + (relatively) decent GPU (i.e. 600MHz MSM7227, which uses an older ARM15 CPU + Adreno 200). I've never seen cases where Cortex A8 based processors trigger any CPU bottlenecks.
[HTC Sensation] Acei:
Correct, thanks for pointing it out. :D
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
So Acei you developed this thing so you can check every entry in your DB whats stats do you have to compare a release build HTC Sensation. I know someone in the world is benching the release build somewhere.