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[HTC Sensation] daivik:
oh sorry. I assumed that was for the GSII. That carrier setting fix is for the GSII.
[HTC Sensation] brendanmurphy:
I agree to an extent but my Captivate is a newer build and I have no problems with my GPS. Yes it can take alot longer to lock but it does work.

Before you flame me I love HTC devices I've had a dream and a magic and several Motorola devices. My main beef with HTC is lack of internal memory. Like seriously 1.09gb available on the sensation.

What will be the deciding factor on my next phone will be is if the sensation or the gs2 comes to my carrier. Ill get whicher comes first
[HTC Sensation] jRi0T68:
kgbkny, I just want to thank you for expressing your view in a proper manner. It makes discussion not only enjoyable, but productive.

I've got a vibrant currently, my wife has a G2, and my mom has an MT4G, all of which I maintain.

I can appreciate the aspects where HTC outshines Samsung, but I also must say that my gps has never failed me, I experience no lag, the screen is gorgeous, and the audio superb. Of course, I had to do some flashing to get my phone to be this way, and I agree I shouldn't have to. Samsung should have made it perfect the first time. However, for my uses, either of the HTC devices I have experience with wouldn't serve me as well as my vibrant. That said, I have no brand loyalty. I'll go with the device that suits my needs best.

If HTC, LG, Samsung or even (though extremely unlikely) Motorola release a device that is equal to or better than my vibrant in speed, screen quality, audio, internal storage, build and development, then that's where I'll go. I just won't let any category be a downgrade, since I'm happy with what I've got, even though plenty of phones can do MOST of those things better.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Its been proven the HTC Sensation CPU / GPU is weaker then the Samsung Galaxy S2 and the loud speaker is the same crap it always has been. HTC Sense is just glorified bloat ware and a resource hog. The locked boot loader is unlockable as those with a HTC Desire HD have found out when upgrading Sense. They even have not been able to get S-OFF on the HTC Incredible S. Now you can have a solid feel if thats your thing and thats about all your going to get haha.
[HTC Sensation] Bratag:
Proved by who exactly?
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Oh cr@p, i've just ordered one. Will that mean Angry birds and the like will be as p1ss poor still, to play?

Alternatively:

GS2- WHERE'S THE SENSE IN THAT?

Bwahahaha! *breath* hahhahaha!

My newly contructed digibaby arrives in the next few hours. :D

Feel free to thank me for that genius joke. As Peter Kay would say.... Good Night! :)
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Not to mention the crap battery life.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Battery life Doesn't get any worse than flakey roms on hd2 sweetheart.

HTC has always, alwaysed had annoying limits on hardware. But the same reason I have been running HTC for nearly 10 years. It's quality over quantity. Even if it doesn't have that turbo boost button, you will still get from a to b. Apparently I read GS2 has some difficulty with that. ;)
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Yeah they have those annoying hardware limits so they try and put it over gullible people by throwing in some aluminium and some fancy weather widgets LOL.

One more thing I forgot to mention the 8GB SDCard runs the FAT 32 File System while internal storage of the S2 16GB runs on the new Gingerbread file system EXT 4 so read / write on the sensation is going to be slow once you have to put apps on the SDCard.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Hmmm aluminium. Im now nursing wood. :D
[HTC Sensation] hitman818:
What does that mean read/write will be slow? Do you mean by how fast its going to read/write the sdcard?
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
A fanboy, whether Samsung, HTC, or whatever other brand, can normally be spotted from a mile away, as is the case here. If you love your SGS2 so much, go preach your love in the SGS2 forums - no one here cares.

So far, you haven't backed up any of your arguments with proof. As far as the battery is concerned, the Slashgear reviewers were able to get over a day of battery life from the Sensation. Your argument is null and void. Next!
[HTC Sensation] BLAST3RR:
Ever heard of ext-data? Partition your SD to ext4, modify the kernel et voila; no more FAT32. Also wondering how you will access your EXT4 partition without using your Samsung sync tool on any Windows computer, assuming what you say is true. Transfer speeds would be pretty low connected via USB, having to translate the filesystem to something Windows can read.
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
edit,edit and edit.
[HTC Sensation] :
The cpu isn't not that much more powerful its miniscule amount. To actually make a difference. Processors also work differently take this in to factor. The gpu is not better its missing a whole bunch of stuff that today mobile gpu have. It's like ati graphics card vs a generic graphics card. Sure the generic is may seem better but will games and programs be as smooth not really. If I was a game developer i would program with the ati cards as it make it easier for me as it has all the features in today's gpu.

Both phones have good and bad points they work so diffrently its really hard to compare. Honestly we are both running android. Don't know why we are fighting. If I had a choice i would mix both together to make an ultimate phone.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Who wouldn't!!! Guess we can dream!
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Been using htcS for 12 hours now.

Every time I switch on and the social media lock screen is displayed it makes me smile. qHD makes all the difference on a screen this size. Its like going from standard def to HD on a big screen telly.

It sucks about the bootloader, but ignoring that for one second. The black levels in text on websites is as good as GS2. Which in turn both blow the old HD2 out of the water on display quality alone.

I tested the GS2 as a prospective buyer, but I always knew qHD and correct ratio displays are the next big thing. Everyone bleeting on about specs don't seem to realise in 6 months or so, samsung will no doubt go qHD, and most owners will be stuck with a low res screen till upgrade time. It is amusing seeing peeps defend obselete technology.

Oh and its nice to be back to Sense after running vanilla roms on HD2.

I guess GS2 owners just wanna hack for the sake of hacking. Sense owners can bathe in the awsomeness that is high definition. We maybe jailed, but by eck its lovely in here. :)
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
qHD isn't the next big thing. Yes it's pretty damn awesome and it's just a shame that the GSII doesn't have it. The next big thing is ultra-high resolution displays which will dwarf qHD and Super AMOLED. I believe LG, Samung, Toshiba/Sharp and maybe a few others have show cased their new screen technologies at SID 2011. If you don't believe me, google it and I'll try and find some links later.

I think that qHD is an in-between tech but till, it's a nice step up to the jilted high resolution displays that will be out by the end of the year.
[HTC Sensation] solsearch:
Those screens are definitely coming but they will take a while. A 1080p screen was demoed last year... not available yet :p Remember that screen tech sometimes takes years to come to market, especially when it is technically feasible but prohibitively expensive. I personally think it'll be at LEAST a year before we see a 1280x720 screen on a phone. But let's say that they came out next year, that'd be the HD screen, qHD would be standard and the WVGA variants would be "low-end" (mid-range but for those who want the best it's the same thing:rolleyes:).

An example of how long screen tech can take to come to market is Pixel Qi. Their screens could be implemented using pre-existing tech and it still took a while (in part due to logistics, deals, etc. but still).
[HTC Sensation] FlaTEriC18041983:
Hi,

I've been reading many reviews until now, and also followed this thread.

As I understand, these are the main pros (correct me if wrong) concerning technical specs:

SGS2 Pros: Super AMOLED Plus Display, faster CPU-architecture?

Sensation Pros: qHD-resolution

As for the rest, they're pretty much the same, no?

As I understand from reviews,

*) SGS2 and Sensation displays show pretty much the same weakness in bright sunlight (can someone confirm this already? because that's really one important criteria for me)

*) I also read differing opinions about sound-quality during calls for both devices, one german review-magazine for example is stating poor speaker quality for both phones... could someone please comment on this?

*) same issue with loudspeakers?

*) is the photo-quality of the Sensation as poor as stated in some reviews?

Did I forget to mention one important thing?

Help would be very much appreciated, but please, don't start to beat on each other again here, I just wanna make my personal choice upon the answers to those questions/statements,

thx a lot ;)
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Point taken. Yeah retina displays+ still rule the roost, missus has iphone4.

But coming from a HD2, the thought of doing another 2 years on 480p is enough to make me want to self harm. The aspect ratio may not change now though?
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Yep. Once you finish digesting specs and you are actually using the phone, the user interface is what you have to work with on a daily basis, id test Touchwiz and Sense b4 spending your gold.
[HTC Sensation] Spl4tt:
the software is changeable, the hardware is not.

you should better decide between the two when you hold them in the hands, it should feel good. then later you can care about the software (wich can be made exactly like you want it anyway, its android y'know)

i have to say, comparing the GSII to my HD2, the GSII just feels cheap. really, really cheap

yes, the hardware is better, but who cares about those 5-10% hardware power difference when the feeling of the phone is crap

****, im always switching my mind. first i was GSII all the way, now im more for the sensation.. maybe i should just wait even more.. and more.. and more.. till another nobrainer gets released.. xD
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
But these high res panels have been in development for a long time. And this time at SID, they weren't mere concepts. They were fully working displays from a few different manufacturers. Moreover, they companies say they're going to have them in by the end of the year or very early next year. (Of course we cannot just take their word) hut Samsung are upgrading their manufacturing process in AMOLED displays which will allow them to make AMOLED dispalys that are 300+PPI which is moving into the high end, high res, displays. That's just Samsung who obviously back AMOLED. Conpaines such as LG and Sharp/Toshiba are at a simillar stage but there's no need for them to make AMOLED version high res screens which suggest that they'll have this tech in earlier. Not to mention the Nexus '3' which is being made by LG. I think that most people can agree that this is a poor choice by Google, UNLESS LG are going to be pulling out all the stops with this 'Android' flagship, including the display - which they have showcased at SID 2011 along with many other displays (I think)

That's what I've heard and read anyway, but i'll try and find the links that informed me about the displays.

But I completely agree with the fact that qHD will be the standard when the HD resolutions cone out
[HTC Sensation] MartijnMM:
You can't compare Pixel Qi with Samsung/LG/Hitachi/Toshiba.

W'll probably see they first devices @ ces 2012.
[HTC Sensation] MaxReality:
Exactly, hence why i started a thread in GS2 land: Not buying an SG2. Got flamed on both sides. People are funny creatures, spec junkies always want stuff that they think is the best, instead of taking 2 mins to think of the whole package. I pity the fools. Also us HTC owners just shrug our shoulders and accept the fair criticism against our handsets. Galaxy people seem to get really defensive and start playing the invisible numbers game. 500 quadrant points doesnt make me hard, like the look, feel and interface of sublime handset. Peace :)
[HTC Sensation] solsearch:
Well yes, but I'm not saying they're not coming. But think of it, they say they'll have them by the end of the year or early next year. I'm guessing that means to manufacturers as we can't exactly just switch phone displays. So them OEMs have to design and produce phones with these. If they got showcased at CES 2012 I'd say minimum 3 months for the first devices, more likely 6 months. So in other words the 1 year minimum I mentioned.

There's also the processing power to consider. A 1280x720 screen is 2.4 times as many pixels as standard WVGA. This makes them more suited to at least quadcore phones, preferably A15 or Krait generation chipsets. After all if people are complaining about the benchmark drops caused by qHD on the Sensation imagine their reaction if it went up to 1280x720 with the same chipsets...
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
What I meant by there expected to be here by the year end, I meant in the market. But you make a valid point about the processor and the screen, and quad cores certainly won't be out anywhere near year end.
[HTC Sensation] SkilletDesire:
Nice comparison here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM6sPTcFpAc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAuNsHPnK3I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4wzCvrAqeU

Real world usage tests. Stop kidding yourselves.

Haha :p
[HTC Sensation] n7of9:
comparisons like that are completely irrelevant to me...i just can't trust samsung build quality, and next to each other the GSII is really ugly
[HTC Sensation] beWater:
for years, I still do not understand the term "build quality" and "feels cheap"

Firstly I agree the small difference in hardware will contribute little to the user experience, and I strongly agree to take "build quality" and "feel" into consideration when buying a handset.

I personally owned desire and nexus S (currently using GS2), both phones functioned perfectly and never failed on me, I also asked my friends who are using samsung or htc (legend and galaxy S), they said the phone never had any problems. Therefore in my understanding, i rate the "build quality" of both phones very good. Is "build quality" tested by smashing a phone against a brick wall or am I just a lucky bastard :P?

and for the feel thing...... after reading lots of comments, can I just summarize it this way:

heavy+aluminium = solid and quality?

light+plastic = cheap and fragile?

I respect people using HTC phones say samsung phones are cheap and have crap build quality, there must be a reasonable degree of truth inside, just curious about the fact :D
[HTC Sensation] saveferris:
The look of the phone is a personal preference, to me the sensation looks a little warped, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....... the things you have no say in and cant change is the hardware, and to me the real life tests show Samsung to be superior.

I have the GS2, My fist Samsung device after being a HTC follower for 5 years, I'm still a fan of HTC but they haven't made a really good complete phone since the HD2, basically slacking off.

You may have had a bad experience with Samsung before, but for me my first Samsung device....its been nothing short of pure pleasure, everything works as it should. I was concerned about build quality, but after dropping my GS2 4 times already and not ending up with a single scratch crack or dint, I was pleasantly surprised, its well built sturdy and no creaking. When compared to my Desire HD which was a thing of beauty before my first drop, it dinted, it now has paint pealing off, the metal has scratches and a warped back cover from impacts. Its true the heavier they are the harder they fall.
[HTC Sensation] hrcro:
I completely agree. I used htc devices for 5 years, every of them felt very nice, hi qaulity, but most durable one (no malfunctions), for me, is my old and plasticky hp ipaq.

Sory guys, my experiance say: quality feel and durability, quality of construction are not the same thing.
[HTC Sensation] donbronzi:
Without a doubt the Samsung g2 is the best device Hardware wise, there can be no debate about it!!!!

HTC has sense which is great and the styling is also better.

I have a sensation and think its a lovelly phone, it really is and i have had htc since the elf so really like HTC but i am getting a bit annoyed with the averagwe hardware which seems to be thrown inside a nice chasis and put on the market for us to buy with seemingly no real user testing.
[HTC Sensation] n7of9:
'build quality' and 'feels cheap' both refer to the external casing when talking about Samsung phones, not that they 'fail' or fall apart

for me it's like this (and keep in mind, i'm a girl so the clothes comparison is valid)...if i need a new winter coat and have 2 fabulous ones in front of me, both are warm and both cost $500, but one has ugly buttons and is made of synthetic fabric while the other is made of pure wool, i will choose the woollen coat

it's not about brand loyalty toward HTC, but a discerning decision of value for money...i don't care that the GSII loads a webpage 1.367seconds faster than the Sensation, but if the GSII was $200 cheaper than the Sensation, i'd get the GSII because then my view on value for money for a comparable device would be greatly swayed

i will choose to buy a device made of cheaper materials when the device is actually cheaper
[HTC Sensation] Habbit:
I thought buying a phone based on the sex appeal was the standard fare for iPhone users? All my previous smartphones have been HTC, but I think it's time to man up and admit it looks like they've dropped the ball on the Sensation.

Some may say, "Look at what you are getting? It should be good enough", but those types of statements hold no water when the Galaxy S2 seems to be miles ahead in every way to the Sensation. Of course TouchWiz will always be a sickening experience, however I'd rather get used to a silly interface with unlimited capabilities, than be frustrated with a pretty interface plagued with sub-par performance.

With the Galaxy S2 as the comparison of what a premier smartphone is capable of, the Frustration's initial lackluster performance will cause me to hold out on my upgrade until T-Mobile offers a true superior to my HD2, unless HTC decides to get off its high horse and deal with these issues that should not exist in smartphones today.
[HTC Sensation] hrcro:
I completely agree. This remindes me of tytn II remarkable 2d/3d performance and outstanding qualcomm chipsets. But today, we have alternatives.

It seems to me that we, older htc users, are more rational ones.

NHF
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Miles ahead of the Sensation? In what ways, exactly?

When the original Galaxy S came out, it also seemed "miles ahead" of everything else that was out at the time. Need I remind you what a disaster that turned out to be?

A premier smartphone should be one that works, not have to be made to work by applying various homebrew tweaks that only marginally (if at all) improve functionality. As such, Samsung falls very short of that definition.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
True, but we can't just assume the GSII will inherit all the same problems that the SGS had, because many, if not virtually all of them (to my knowledge - i don't really know that much about the SGS) have been improved.

Yes the GPS problems are there, but from what I'm hearing they're either fixing themselves after a few days - not sure how, or maybe through the firmware updates. and most users haven't had problems since.
[HTC Sensation] Habbit:
Using the previous Youtube videos as a reference, my HD2 running CyanogenMod 7 loads Engadget almost as quickly as the Sensation. Scrolling through the website almost seems on par with the Sensation, whereas it should be completely obvious to anyone unblinded by some agenda that the Galaxy S2 smokes the Sensation in browser performance.

The HD2 is almost two years old, by the way. A quick loading browser with great performance shouldn't be a difficult feat to accomplish in 2011.

I wouldn't know, I've never owned a Samsung product, nor did I keep up with any devices other than HTC in the past.

You mean Samsung fell short of that definition. If you're a company trying to supersede the competition you will ultimately have to listen to your customers, which is exactly what Samsung is doing. From the little I know of the Galaxy S fiasco, the top two issues seemed to be few system updates and poor GPS reception. Samsung seems to have addressed both of these issues in supporting the Galaxy S2, whereas HTC, the company with the marginal lead in quality and image (but not for long), is content with putting out the same phone with a different name on it every six months.

I used to think I'd never not be running HTC Sense, much less an AOSP ROM, however, the ability to use the features of my phone and operating system without waiting four or five seconds for it to catch up eventually won me over. And when someone codes an application similar to the sweet new Sense 3 lockscreen, it will be game, set, and match for HTC.
[HTC Sensation] kgbkny:
Certainly not, although Sammy's track record is spotty, particuly when thinking of the Behold II and Galaxy S. Then again, after the Pinto disaster (if you're outside of the U.S., you may not know about this lemon - a quick Google search will yield some interesting info), Ford eventually improved quality of their vehicles. Based on my personal experiences, I have no desire to become Sammy's beta tester, I mean customer, again.

My response was directed towards a fanboyish statement implying that Samsung can do no wrong. I'm not saying I won't consider Sammy in the future. However, in order for me to do that, they would have to release several consistently solid products. Until then, it's HTC for me.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
+1 I must agree with these points here.
[HTC Sensation] daivik:
Fair point. Fair point. I (will hopefully) be a first time Sammy :0 Let's hope it goes well :p

noob question but how do you milti-quote?

I select the ones I want, but what do i click from there?
[HTC Sensation] ko0l:
The Galaxy S is still miles ahead everything out before its time. Dunno what you're on about.

Just compare it to the desire, Gps issues are fixed (though a few older phones still have some issues which could be fixed with warranty), gingerbread 2.3.3 is lag free and smooth, browser is hardware accelerated, 720p mkv playback, better camera, more internal memory. Custom roms like cm7 and miui is finally stable and officially supported.

SGS 2 will just improve on all of this. The only cons I could think of is the plastic material and the iphoine look. Touchwiz isn't that bad, especially with the hardware accelerated ui and 1080p mkv playback.
[HTC Sensation] Habbit:
And which of my statements was that?