yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
I was under the impression all gingerbread roms were slower and less compatible than Froyo because of driver issues (no native acceleration).

I'm currently using CM7, which is a Gingerbread rom and can't deal with certain things on it anymore, so I want something fast and more hardware compatible. I've heard a lot about VeganTab, so I looked into it only to find references to the latest version being THIS, the gingerbread edition.

So, I don't understand- will I just be going in circles jumping from one GB rom to another? Is Froyo still faster and more compatible with the hardware (video chat apps, etc)?

Has development on the Froyo VeganTab rom ceased?
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
Froyo development has ceased. Due to GB and HC releases. However, if you want maximum compatibility get VEGAn-TAB 5.1.1 Beta w/supplement and keep the stock kernel. The reason I say that is because the stock kernel is the only kernel known to be able to play Plants vs Zombies ; ), if that is your sorta thing. I can remark that it is the most universally compatible ROM out there.
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
Thanks for the info!

LOL @ Plants vs Zombies... honestly, I'm willing to give up netflix support on cm7 at this point (although I've heard it can be made to work on Vegan GE). I'm not basing by decision on any one app here, but that's good to know!

Meanwhile, what is so great about GB and HC that have everyone running? I mean, there are some cool new things, but what's wrong with Froyo?

I know that Honeycomb actually visibly slows down tablets, the Notion Ink blog mentioned this when working with alpha releases for the Adam device. HC seems nice, but not at the cost of performance, IMO. Gingerbread would/could be great if some native support for our hardware were out there. If I'm leaving CM7 for something more compatible and speedy, and VeganTab GE is based on 7.0.0, is that a really dumb move for me?

I just can't believe this would be dropped just like that! Is there some reason I'm missing here that Froyo isn't more desirable? Does it have some annoying bug we can't work out?
[G Tablet Android Development] yashmack:
I do know that Froyo has secuity holes regarding passwords being unencrypted when transmitted. Gingerbread is just a better version of android.

What really sucks is the lack of support from our OEM, Viewsonic!

where have you noticed performance issues??

Im running CM7 nightly (one of the later ones, not sure what it is anymore) and I dont have any performance issues that I have noticed

when it comes to video playback I generally play videos thats arent supported by the hardware anyway such as divx and xvid

i havent tried any h.264 videos yet but will give it a shot when i get home and see how it goes

with the processor that this tablet has using software to decode video has not had any noticable impact and the videos decode and play just fine

this ROM was my favorite but wouldnt play netflix or hulu

ive added the updated files to the original ROM zip file and will be flashing it soon to see if it fixes the problem with netflix and hulu, if so im back to vegan tab GE ^_^
[G Tablet Android Development] kushdeck:
mirror:

http://dev-host.org/9qzhl2imz0ra/VEGAn-GE-7.0.0-RC1-Harmony-signed.zip

-deck
[G Tablet Android Development] yashmack:
hmmm, well i placed the files in the list into the zip file for VEGANTAB GE, flashed, and no go

the main issue was that the browser would not even open properly, it would close after a few seconds

same with most apps, they would open, white screen, close

Market would just loop over and over to a white screen then loading, back and forth

couldnt get anything to work

musta jacked up some files so im going to give it a try again later and see what I can come up with
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
Gingerbread is a more secure version of Froyo with some cleaned up coding. However, both are phone OS's. HC is the first tablet OS and when you load it, you will love it. It has hardware acceleration, but not full support. Most games work and operate fully, but HD videos and HD youtube don't work. Plus Adobe won't support HC until Google releases the code.
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
Who told you HC has hardware acceleration? I recall hearing about an planned update for one of the Malata or clone devices, but The Notion Ink blog I mentioned earlier said performance issues were one of the reasons keeping it off their Adam tablet (which is another similar clone, If I understand correctly).

Yes, I understand Froyo and GE are designed for phones, but seriously? None of these OSes will turn this into a netbook or Windows 7 tablet. We bought these knowing they are essentially giant phones (I even bought Groove mobile to make IP phone calls!). I like Android on my other mobile devices, which is why I wanted it on my tablet as well. Why are trying to fix something that isn't broken?

I'm not saying the UI overhaul in HC isn't a welcome change, but I don't think its worth trying to support it right now if we are breaking compatibility and slowing down the tablet!

As far as where I notice the problems... apps that use a lot of 2D acceleration seem to jitter and lag, such as a comic book reader or even scrolling through the app drawer. Heck, I turned off the animation to open/close the app drawer on CM7 because it frustrated me that it seemed like 2 frames of animation.

The reason this bothers me so much is that I've spent some time testing and reviewing some of the new tablets on the market. I have a press pass and write for techcitement.com in my spare time. I recently went to a press event and got to play with the Galaxy Tab 10, HP TouchPad and BB Playbook. Yes I know these are more expensive and newer hardware, but I know the Tegra 2 isn't that far behind. Heck, I just looked at some videos on youtube of Froyo Vegan, and the app drawer opens and scrolls like butter!

I'm telling you, I think the Gtablet is capable of better performance, we're just becoming desensitized by the "latest and greatest" syndrome!
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
*sigh* It would appear you are incorrectly assuming that I am new here. I've been around long enough to see this site redesigned a few times, and back in the day was part of a crack dev team that fixed bluetooth support in early HTC Titan ROMs. Also did a lot of ROM testing for PPC chefs years back, troubleshooting and fixing where I could contribute.

I'm very much aware of what this site is and isn't. I've been a part of it, gotten my hands dirty- its a wonderful community. You, on the other hand, appear to have been here less than a year so far according to the little date by your name. Not that seniority has any value here, but just watch what you say, man.

Simple- Froyo had clear performance upgrades compared to cupcake and earlier versions of Android. The native JIT and stagefright media engine actually made devices more efficient and smoother. Froyo brought things everyone was waiting for and complained about fixing in previous versions. And it also introduced the microphone on the keyboard for voice dictation. Yes, stagefright also broke support for some things at first, but it was worth it for the performance upgrade and new features unavailable previously.

But GB and HC are not like that, especially not on the Gtablet, hence my irritation with the rallying. Its kind of like Windows Vista to XP- XP worked great, and was a HUGE improvement over previous versions of Windows. But Vista was buggy at first and broke a lot of hardware and application support, albeit prettier.

People who were frustrated with Vista went back to XP and were happier there with everything running smoother until a true successor finally came out in Windows 7.

With GB and HC There isn't anything like JIT or Voice transcription that are clear winners over the previous version. In fact, it almost seems like an excercise in "because we can", which is commendable however not practical for everyone. There were always those alphas and betas who were pushing the envelope here on XDA, but there was also the other half of the community who just wanted something to work as well as it possibly can (which I've been doing here for the better half of a decade).

Personally, the stock ROM does not fill that need. It needs so much tweaking to work properly (flash for hulu, native market fix, etc) that its actually easier to start with something custom instead. That is why people like me are here, and why it is so sad to see Froyo Rom development cease.

If Gingerbread of HC could run as well as Froyo on our hardware, this coversation would be very different. Right now it can't, and without proper drivers it won't. Trying to perfect a ROM like that is, in my humble opinion, an exercise in futility.

3D support was never the issue, if I understand the situation correctly. But opening up and scrolling through the app drawer feels like 400Mhz Windows Mobile phone.

Also, it sounds like most of the stuff you are praising about Honeycomb (lock screens, power button issues, notification on bottom, etc) have been seen in Froyo and Ginger Roms as well.

::shrug::
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
Obviously you are upset. I never assumed anything about you. I can't help you if you want to rant. I answered your questions and you tell me to watch what I say. If you want we can take this offline, but you are no longer being constructive.

I am disengaging. Find someone else to try and e-bully.
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
LOL, I'm not trying to e-bully. The way you talked down to me about the purpose of the dev community was condescending, is all.

The reason I'm so passionate about this is not because I'm upset. I feel the need to voice this kind of opinion so that others can consider it as an option. I've been around and seen far too many people get caught up in "latest and greatest" syndrome, only to get frustrated and jump ship to iOS. Sometimes if you want the best possible performance, you have to finish developing the technology that works well.
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
I can appreciate that and I apologize if I initially came off that way. Honestly, you have my apologies.

Your passion is well noted, but tone is everything. When people try to use my join date against me or list their online resume, I tend to discount the rest of what they are saying, because they are no longer being constructive and more trying to play the "who knows more" game.

That being said, let's move past this.

I like a tablet that runs the apps. Not apps that run tablets. I love that the notification bar at the bottom is persistant, notifying me of anything and everything, even in a fullscreen game. I love the pop-up bubble instead of dragging down the screen just to see a quick notification. Or, the fact there is a button to show me my open apps that I can press for immediate response without having to wait to long press the home button (which is not illuminated) and hope the app I have open lets me do it.

True, it is glitchy and my favorite of all time is VEGAn-TAB 5.1.1 Beta w/supplement and Pershoot's latest and greatest. It was solid as a rock and that never left Beta status.

Still, I really think you should give BoS Alpha 6 or Flashback 4.2 a second chance.

I like Honeycomb not for what it is, but for what it can become. Hell, just yesterday they got flash semi-working on flashback.
[G Tablet Android Development] yashmack:
unfortunately the android ecosystem is fractured at the moment

not enough manufacturers are pushing the latest updated version to all devices

most are still using 2.2 when 2.3 should be used

the problem stems from the manufacturers and the Devs have to unfortunately deal with that problem as best they can

honeycomb would be alot better if we could get the drivers and files needed to make everything work correctly

but viewsonic has all but dropped support for this tablet as have most manufacturers that based their designs on the Harmony board

personally im using CM7 and will continue to use that unless I can get Vegan-Tab GE working with netflix and hulu

at least until ice cream sandwich is released

im hoping that either the devs here or viewsonic will get HC or ICS working on the gtab

once ICS is released so will the source for HC

i think the fact that source for HC has been one of the largest hinderances to adoption of HC

now, to get back on topic, has anyone had the problems i mentioned in my previous post after trying to install VEGAN-TAB GE?
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
I have not experienced those errors, but when that much is wrong, I would reflash the ROM over itself. However, if that fails it is time to nvflash.
[G Tablet Android Development] yashmack:
ok, i was thinking the same thing. I was able to restore back to CM7 and it works just fine. guess im going to backup my files and just nvflash it back to stock and try my zip again.

if it fails again the it probably me adding those files to the zip.

will try later, after im done watchinf fullmetal alchemist on the tablet :p
[G Tablet Android Development] G80:
Kindle library

Hello, Thank you for the ROM!

I reinstalled kindle but I am unable to get my library to be recognized by kindle so that I can read my books.

What file should I be looking for?

Sorry for the noob question.

Any help is much appreciated.

VT-GE on the GT
[G Tablet Android Development] deathcipris:
I have to post a quick write up of this ROM here...

It has been forever since we have had an update on what was going on, so I switched to the G-Tab AdamComb ROM. To be honest, I switch because this ROM was:

A) Slow...like OMG slow...seriously it took like 5 minutes to boot up every SINGLE time.

B) Once in the OS, it was lackluster. The VTL Launcher is nice, but it doesn't make up for the sluggish performance of the system. A lot of which (I know) is due to missing hardware acceleration.

C) Weird sound issues. I would get random static, the headphones would go out, videos would lack sound that had sound in other ROM's...

D) Battery life left a lot to be desired...seriously, I get better battery out of the OC'd HC Adam port than the stock clock GB edition.

This isn't to say this ROM isn't without it's merits, after all, I ran this for months before switching.

A) I loved the UI (pre-HC remember) and the launcher is sweet.

B) It was pretty slick and the apps opening was fast.

C) It was the latest and greatest at the time...

D) OC available kernels! (still pre-HC)

All in all, the cons outweighed the benefits, but hey, maybe you have 5 minutes to sit around and wait for it to boot and you love a phone feel to your tablet, along with a ROM that hasn't been updated in 3 months...but I digress...

I do thank you, gojimi for the time you spent making this ROM and all the testing that went into it!
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
You should call Viewsonic. It is a motherboard issue they will fix under warranty, but God help you if they find out you are rooted.

Mine is in for service and they are trying to say root access caused a motherboard failure. I am currently fighting it, but if I lose, it is only a $35, so I can't be too mad about it.
[G Tablet Android Development] Theoriginalgiga:
I long while ago I bought the Gtab and had played with a bunch of different roms. Eventually I packed my Gtab away as I couldn't stand the screen and bought an Adam (we can all see I make WONDERFUL choices haha). Back when I used the Gtab, the ROMs were clunky, slow, riddled with issues but still fun. I got an offer to sell my Gtab so I unboxed it and instead of flashing with the latest stock ROM I reflashed it with this RC1 and I have to say I had to rethink selling my Gtab. This ROM is fast, great looking and functions really really well. In the end fueling my bad habbit of going to work is more important than having 2 tablets (and honestly who in their right mind would buy an Adam Ink lol). Thanks OP, great ROM I can't wait to see your work with Honeycomb or ICS, it's Devs like you that make this whole android thang worth while. Cheers!
[G Tablet Android Development] mmracing:
Yes, I flashed this rom when it first came out and haven't even considered going to another. Going from 1.1 to 1.2 seems to be a hassle and just about every 1.2 rom has an issue. I'll just stay here... shame it's not being developed anymore. :(
[G Tablet Android Development] networkdawg:
Hey guys,

I am trying to get Cisco Anyconnect running on my gtab, but I need tun.ko module.

Does anyone know where I can get that for this rom?

Thanks!
[G Tablet Android Development] -BoneZ-:
There has just been a Market update in the past 24 hours and now the Market FC's after a few seconds on this ROM. I've tried the Market fix several times to no avail. I guess it's time to finally put Honeycomb on the G-Tab.
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
There are a couple of fixes out there, but I agree that you should move to honeycomb. flashback 7 is amazing.... or you can just delete the current market and install the old one. Don't forget to make a backup.
[G Tablet Android Development] -BoneZ-:
From what I've been reading, it looks like GtabComb 3.3 is the way to go. What makes Flashback 7 better than GtabComb 3.3?
[G Tablet Android Development] cougar694u:
You'll need to flash a Gingerbread kernel, like pershoot's, copy the tun.ko to the module directory, then install it, instructions from pershoot's site:
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
Honestly, it was the first one I tried after BoS and it has the most reviews and downloads. I figure let the masses speak. Besides, the 1.2 bootlader is a lot more stable for ROMs. I have yet to soft brick my device on 1.2. So, switching between the two to compare for yourself would be easy.

Remember, no one has yet added their own flair to honeycomb, like gingerbread or froyo. Therefore your only interest is stability. Being on Flashback there is nothing I cannot do to make me think about switching. It does everything.
[G Tablet Android Development] steveninspokane:
I was considering trying this rom, but it looks as though it hasn't received dev support since April, and I was wondering if that is an issue? Is this rom no longer being worked on?
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
My suggestion would be to move to a 1.2BL and install HC. It is far superior. Not to knock Ginger, it was great when it was released. However times stands still for no ROM. Even if something is released, it won't have the tablet functionality of a dedicated HC ROM.
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
Yeah but until the new iconia kernel gets patched up, HC roms are totally hacked together from pieces to sort of work. But they are laggy, lack any acceleration, hardware like the camera doesn't work, and just feels like its not ready yet IMO. It's exciting to have honeycomb, but if you want speed and stability, you actually need to revert to a froyo Rom.

still seems most development is on bl 1.2 either way (i recommend brilliant corners ).
[G Tablet Android Development] TEK112:
True, the only ROMs that have "full" hardware acceleration is Froyo. However, Honeycomb does have hardware acceleration enabled on three of the ROMs (Flashback, BoS and Illuminate) which I have tried and with exception to the camera, I have not come across anything that I cannot do on HC and that includes flash. I still think the tablet UI is far superior to GB or Froyo and for normal use (email, browsing the web, music, etc) HC kills Froyo. If you are a heavy HD movie watcher and use your tablet primarily to stream movies from a media center, Froyo may be the best bet.
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
I use my tablet as a netbook replacement when we travel. That means it will very often be my only computer, and rely on things like USB accessories and entertainment. I'm currently experimenting with Yahoo Messenger to use as a video chat since Skype likely won't be an option anytime soon. My kids like playing games on it, I enjoy downloading HD movies on the go, etc... I don't like or use the stock email client (so upgrading to HC wouldn't make a difference in that regard) and the web browser works with the plugins I like to use (some of which I'm told are not HC compatible yet).

I've played with HC, its nice and I like the new interface, and all things being equal I would prefer it. But I honestly don't spend much time in the launcher or home screen to be worth sacrificing performance elsewhere for that. It just doesn't make any sense to me!

I spend my time actually INSIDE AN APP usually, which gets little to no benefit from HC versus anything else. Meanwhile the user experience I find a lot smoother on software that actually supports the hardware properly. Just doesn't seem worth the trade off to me, but I'll likely change my tune when they finally get some roms based on the .36 kernel (native hardware support is on its way!).

But yet, I suppose we all use our tablets differently and some of us don't care if everything works or is laggier than it used to be.
[G Tablet Android Development] mike_ekim:
Gingerbread unifies the camera API; i.e. an app need only call camera info from the OS. In camera apps for Froyo, you might have the option to pick which type of camera the app will support (based on your tablet or phone). Skype is choosing to only support newer devices with the new Camera API because it makes life easier for Skype, and they don't have to put up with customer complaints whenever an oddball device with a custom ROM doesn't work.

The downside: Gingerbread's camera API doesn't work with gTab. So no Skype vide chat for us, maybe ever.

I agree. I think someone who spends a lot of time using widgets for facebook, email, music, calender, etc would benefit a lot from Gingerbread. Sort of like a computer. I spend most of my time 'in app' so I hardly ever see the launcher.
[G Tablet Android Development] Dishe:
I'm quite aware. I have no proof to this claim, but I think I might have been the first to post that theory on this forum back when the new Skype was released with video.

I think you meant HoneyComb.
[G Tablet Android Development] mike_ekim:
Doh! (10 char)
[G Tablet Android Development] Amowagou:
Help - Cannot reboot to Recovery

Never mind.
[G Tablet Android Development] barqers:
Anyone else have issues when restoring from CWM .8 getting stuck at the powered by g-tabdevs screen?

I don't really wanna start from scratch but I guess I'll have to. I tried to install the new google market but I guess that doesn't work well with vegan ROM
[G Tablet Android Development] barqers:
Nevermind fixed :)
[G Tablet Android Development] barqers:
Just wanted to say that I really appreciate the work put into this rom and love it. Super fast and reliable. Thanks!
[G Tablet Android Development] CosmicVagabond:
Where can I get the old one?
[G Tablet Android Development] isthisagoose:
Has anyone else seen FCs with the new market?

After autoupdating to the new android market release, I quickly started seeing force closes in com.android.vending. After uninstalling the update, I'm back to a functional marketplace, though with the old version.

UPDATE: then the new version downloads again, and I'm back to FCing.

Any way to get the new marketplace to work with Vegan Ginger?
[G Tablet Android Development] carljanderson:
try this...

"Settings->Language & Keyboard>Select language->English (United States)

Worked for me, having the exact same problem you described. Thanks to MastricX."
[G Tablet Android Development] isthisagoose:
wow, thanks to both of you. that worked for me as well.
[G Tablet Android Development] ajcurtis84:
lib-2632.36 modules missing

Hello,

I just completed installing the ROM update. It looks great! Now I am trying to install the kernel modules but I can not find the file on the blog. (at least see what modules are contained in the archive)

Does anyone have a copy or will 2632.43 work?

Thanks
[G Tablet Android Development] cmduarte:
That fixed it for me, too. Language was listed as English - MD