yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asianrage:
As it is right now, unrooted TB works great. I'm going to wait until Gingerbread is available for the phone, then see how that goes and decided whether to root or not. I do hate the massive amount of VZW bloatware that I never use, sitting there, taunting me.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ThunderStick:
Come on guys, you can't tell me that let golf 2 is not one of the most cutting edge games and the reason you bought your thunder bolt.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] insanegod:
Has anyone leaked when the gingerbread ota is coming?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fwhomeboy:
I read somewhere on here that it (Some update)was coming next month
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fwhomeboy:
The GPS is crazy on point, within 15 yards here.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gregnice37:
Totally agree with you there. Bolt was my first Android as well, fell the exact same, very happy I rooted though, getting much better battery life since installing a rom.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nobody's Hero:
@KWKSLVR:

Note that the free hotspot feature is only through May 15, after that it will have a $20 price tag attached to it. Also, the unlimited 4G plan is unlikely to last long (there was a rumor a week or so ago that it had already ended, but I think it's still available for Thunderbolt purchases); if you're using that much data, you may want to take the leap before VZW goes with tiered pricing like AT&T (they've already announced intentions to do so).

I agree with most comments on here, it's a pretty sweet phone, objectively. GPS is accurate, but slow to link up (there's a fix posted in the forum, but it requires root). I personally despise Sense and cannot wait for an ASOP rom to flash.

Surely you've heard of the battery issues, too. This may be a concern, because while tethering, the battery can drain faster than it recharges if you're only using a USB port to charge (unless it's a Y-cable, providing power from 2 usb ports), although the wall-charger should keep it going constantly. Even using it only as a smartphone, you'll want to do some power management to keep battery life reasonable (and maybe even an extended life battery).

Those are the objective thoughts I had off the top of my head (plus my opinion re. Sense). It's really a pretty nice device, all in all. (FYI, I came from a rooted, OGD running CM7.)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pegasixi:
ROMs aren't the best yet, but I would say that they are definitely getting better by the day. I couldn't stand the junk that came pre-installed
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SicNside:
Stock is still blazing fast and I just returned my phone back to stock from rooted just to mess around and make sure the return works.. if your looking for something like quadrants than while stock I get around 2100 stock
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WilliamStern:
I'm still running stock, and loving every minute of it! As of right now I have no reason to root. Well, maybe if I wanted to remove the bloat, but as of right now it's really not a bother.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n2imagination:
Alright IMO....here goes. I love the look/feel/overall performance of this device but here are my problems in order you requested input.

1. Unlimited hot spot...While this feature is truly nice, and will benefit any of us who do business in the mobile world you had better have an a/c outlet near by. If you think the battery life on this device is horrendous now then wifi tether to it. I would be amazed if you got 4hrs out of a full charge.

2. GPS...Although I have seen some posts that say GPS works fine for them, I have to close out and reopen nav several times usually to get a lock. Once it gets a lock its fine but WTF?

3. Battery Life... Refer in part to item 1. I certainly do not see this as a non-issue. I need a days worth of battery out of a device and I know for a fact that the custom ROMS are getting 12-16hrs out of a charge, although i am not rooted, and do not see why we cannot get better power mgt. The most I can get is 6-7hrs out of a full charge and I should not have to maul the great looks and feel of my device with a brick on the back to get a days worth of use. BTW i have no 4g in my area so that is not the culprit.

I will add to the list of issues a problem with gmail push not working well. I have to actually launch the app for email to show many times.

Unfortunately Verizon doesn't have any handset to compete with this that has 4g, which I do want to have when it does reach my area, so I may return this and go back to my Eris if an update/fix to some of these problems doesn't seem eminent by the time my 15 days are up. I will retain my upgrade eligibility for later in hopes of a better, more developed package.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tidbits:
Currently I am not rooted. Personally for me I see no real reason to. Its fast enough for my needs and the bloat doesn't bother me any. I rarely open the drawer after the first day unless I install something new.

Eventually I will get around to doing it. Just depends on what throws me over the top which has yet to be seen.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eallan:
Frankly just knowing there is a freaking blockbuster application on my phone would piss me off to much to stand it.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KWKSLVR:
Thanks for the input, guys. Battery life isn't to much of a concern to me. I say that only because I took my Vibrant from 6 hours stock to over two days as more and more development became available for the device. I have no doubt that a good portion of battery issues for the Thunderbolt involves the fact that the device is looking for 4G where there is none, and the plethora of poorly coded bloatware residing on the device. If most people rolled their data to 1x the thing would probably last 12-15 hours easy.

I'm VERY mobile. Shoot, I'm mobile right now. Data is a big deal to me and you've gotta pay to play I suppose. I stopped off and played with a T-Bolt at Verizon yesterday. I wasn't overly impressed with the demo. It's VERY snappy, but it also had some lag mixed with that. But it was a demo unit to be fair. I may go back and play with it some more. I was hoping I could consolidate my MiFi and Android into one device, that's a no go. $20 for 2GB's and $20 for each GB after that is a joke for me (which I find really silly since each GB on my MiFi is $10.....). Apparently Verizon thinks Gig's are different. ;)

I struggle with making the swap to Verizon. I currently pay $65/month on T-Mobile for 500 minutes, Unlimited Texting/Data and I do a little rogue AP Mobile tethering (it's built into the custom roms and as long as you don't abuse it, T-Mobile doesn't seem to care). I pay another $60 for my MiFi, so my monthly bill is $125 for mobile devices. Going to VZW I'm looking at 450 minutes, Unlimited Texting/Data all for $89.97/month. OUCH. I mean, DAMN! Baha. Although most of the people I converse with are on Verizon anyway, I'm just gonna miss my EM+ Plan with T-Mobile and I'm gonna miss $0.20/minute overages.

I suppose it's just the way that it is though.

After my overall experience with my Vibrant, I think I'm gonna wait until the Thunderbolt has more support and I may wait until Birmingham gets LTE. Shoot, I may just hold out for the Droid Bionic. Either way, I'll have to keep my MiFi and forgo Mobile AP (until someone hacks it for rogue hotspot like so many other devices have).

I really don't understand Verizon's angle with unlimited hotspot for a month. It's almost a drug dealer mentality. Give the masses all of what they want for a limited time, then take it away and make it impossible to get it back. The only benefit of the doubt thing I can think of is that they are using it as a test run of sorts to see how much data people will use indiscriminately so that they can figure out what to charge for it. When you think about it, they're offering speeds that the user can max out (on their 2 gigs) in a matter of minutes. They'll have to adjust what they charge and raise the limits or what's the point of the speed if the end user ends up paying a lot for a small sip of it.

Either way, whichever device I end up with, it WON'T be on AT&T and it WON'T be on contract. I learned my lesson with that fiasco on AT&T.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jbh00jh:
I have rooted every htc phone I've ever had. Mainly because I needed more ram because the bloatware consumed it. But this phone has plenty of ram and memory and is very fast stock. I have not rooted yet because I have not seen the need to.

The phone is super fast and handles my daily needs fine. Maybe in the future . :)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fwhomeboy:
I wonder, if you don't intend to Root, is this the best Stock phone around ???
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n2imagination:
IMO if you never intend to root and 4g is not that important to you then you go with the droid inc or the droid x. Both are solid phones that perform amazing and have decent battery life. This is contingent on you not caring about 4g of course. If you want 4g and never intend to root then I would advise to wait a few months to see what else is available on the verizon ticket, and or to see if they give us gingerbread for the thunderbolt anytime soon, which may help some of its issues.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkybside:
Same here, just used the test app and reported under 9 feet.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BobVS:
I had a great experience with the factory ROM and unrooted Bolt. My issue was the wireless tether, a must have for me even though I only use it occasionally. I hate paying $20 a month for something I need 1, 2, 3 times a month when I'm stuck in some airport or in a parking lot and need connectivity.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] McLabia:
I only rooted just to root and remove bloat and be able to take screen shots easily. The TB is a great phone stock imo.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] my_username:
I'll make you a deal, Verizon...if you don't cut off my unlimited WiFi hotspot package on May 15, I won't root my Thunderbolt, delete Sh*tcast Navigator, Blockbuster Bankruptcy Mobile, and all your other precious F*ckware...and replace them with ROM Manager and Wireless Tether. Deal?

-Sent from my original Droid tethered to my Thunderbolt that is stuffed in my back pocket.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] McLabia:
Hahahahahhaahahaha Classic.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eagle17:
I don''t think verizon sells any phones without the crappy bloat installed... the original droid was the last i know of.

that being said sense seems better than blur so i would pick the thunderbolt or droid inc over the droid x

and because of bing i would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever choose the fasinate.... i think i would rather guess wheter a girl is pregnat before picking the fascinate... (and you should "never" assume a girl is pregnat!)

I know plenty of people love the little samsung phone and I liked the galaxy 4g on tmobile.. so remember that this is just my opinion... strong as it may be!
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] shougo93:
will this work on an x10 mini with stock rom? and which is the best cache size?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1010807
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] owain94:
Look in my topic it is 2 underneath this one lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] helpmeplis:
Hello I had an Evo and it had 3 touch points. It had 2 but after flashing another kernel it had 3 and it was perfect to play on emulators with 3. I got it replaced for a new one today and it has only 2. I been trying to find a kernel or how to make it 3 again because 2 is no good for the emus.

IF anyone could help me get it to 3 ill be forever grateful.

im not sure if its the kernel or the rom or what but appreciate any help ty !!!!!!!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
I may be wrong, but if your hardware only supports 2 finger touch, i don't think you can really fix that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rstuckmaier:
Evo hardware supports 5. I don't know about Sense kernels with more than 2 but CM6/7 both support 5 touch points.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lovethyEVO:
The evo uses one of two touchscreens. One supports 3point max and the other 5point.

Currently there is something in the sense 3.70 software that breaks multitouch, nothing above two works. CM is aosp and so multitouch is affected according to if your touchscreen supports 3 or 5.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirkyd3rk:
Didn't the netarchy kernel for sense enable the 3 point or 5 point (if your touchscreen had it) since all the screens in sense were defaulted to 3 point only? I could be wrong :-/
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] helpmeplis:
Ty all for the help. I'm using 3.70 Sprint lovers with netarchy kernel. After some time looking I found a thread with custom recoveryto allow for more touch points for another phone. So I tried another recovery for my evo and flashed same kernel again and now I got the 3 touch points again. So it worked out for me I can't use 5 but 3 is enough. Ty all for the help.
[HD7 General] inconceeeivable:
Super noob question here. Does Zune download a complete image file and RUU with the nodo update? Is there anyway to extract said file? Basically looking for a way to restore my phone to complete stock (stock as in a file downloaded straight from MS/T-Mobile). Any other way to do this?

Still haven't received this update by the way...is this normal?

Edit: Or is the file downloaded from a third party (the dev section) still "signed" or whatever?
[Defy General] internista:
Details please

My DEFY in standby takes about 2% battery on hour. This subject is very itresting for me.

Maybe you write some details, which rom you use, what crapy stuff you wipe? What ap. you have instaled and use?
[Defy General] eyezum:
wow 6day of using.by the way could u elaborate more on your daily usage.as my phone can last 3 day (eclair)with minimal use without play or surf.
[Defy General] loi91:
congrats :)

My DEFY made it for 3 days... but I'm using it alot so I'm fine with that :) Had a PalmPre before and the Pres battery last for 8 h with only 2g turned on...
[Defy General] unrafa:
Almost no calls, only alarm is set, i just pick it up when i hear the notification sound for sms or emails, read them fast and i go back to my business. The last day i used it consistently downloading stuff from market and executing apps for 5 hours, to spend that last 20% (i wanted a full charge nextday) so it could have been 7-8 days.

But eclair is not as optimized as Froyo. You should upgrade to gain some more speed / battery life. And i think the most important stuff for battery life is setvsel + wireless + 2g

I first used setvsel long time ago, and noticed 24-48 hours increase between charges, and after the wireless trick, i noticed another + 12-24 hours increase in battery life. (these are aproximations because unfortunely i didn't make any test)
[Defy General] hartmuna:
Automatic sync drains alot

I get my DEFY up to 3 days when I'm on roaming cause the automatic sync is deactivated. If not it lasts only 1 day with "similar" using profiles.

Does anybody know if the DEFY switches to 2G when auto sync is deactivated? I use Widgetsoid to do so.

Thanks,

hartmuna
[Defy General] ziffos:
My Defy needs charging every 24 hours - I am a low user.

My sons Defy needs charging TWICE in 24hours - he is a medium to high user.
[Defy General] darule_2011:
6 days is pretty impressive but with no to little use kind of defeats the purpose of the phone. Right now, I am using jboogies liquidarc (which is sweet!), I use my phone regularly (phone calls/texting, wifi/internet, gps, games, etc).

I am 84 hours in with 30% left. When I first got the phone before I started flashing custom roms, I'd usually charge every night or at most 1 1/2 days in...now I nearly forget that I actually have to charge the dang thing:D
[Defy General] MrBelter:
Mine has done 25% of the battery in 24 hours, it is a stock SIM free UK Defy running 2.1 and launcher pro rather than the blur launcher.

Usage over the last 24 hours is:

mobile standby 23hours 58 minutes.

phone idle 22 hours 18 minutes.

display 1 hour 39 minutes.

wifi 38 minutes.

I have used it for twitter, facebook and to collect emails over wifi only, the phone is set to 2G only. I cant recall making any calls but i have sent around 100 texts and MMS. Only widget i have running is battery monitor.
[Defy General] Ph1b:
I use the app "Timeriffic" to:

-send my phone automatically in flightmode at 11pm

-deactivates flightmode and deactivates sound at 6am

-activate sound at 10am

At 10am I am awake in 99% of the cases. It deactivates flightmode at 6am so I can take a look at the LED when I wake up.

Other possibility to save energy is to deactivate vibration completely.
[Defy General] ofmb:
Very impressive

thanks for sharing

P.s

there used to be a thread where people wrote what's a must in motorola services and what can be uninstalled.
[Defy General] zjfgavin:
thanks very much，but it's a little unblievable
[Defy General] nepotu:
Why do you think it's "little unbelievable"? I've also managed to obtain 4 days with moderate use (around 10 hours of radio and music listening, 30-45 minutes talk-time). The secret is to undervolt your terminal using SetVsel, to remove the bloatware and set network on 2G.
[Defy General] martin.flory:
He got 6 days because he only downloaded stuff in wi-fi. I've done plenty of testing, and what kills the battery is having open mobile data connection (3g more son than 2g). You can get a lot of extra juice from switching 2g/3g and much more by killing the mobile data connection. (widgetsoid switchers will help you with it).

Once I noticed this (I stayed home a whole day and had 90% of battery, thanks to wifi), I was happy to know that my phone was no different to those with super long battery life. That said, I think that as long as it goes for whole day without problems, its fine. And with setcpu and a blurless rom, thats easy to get.

Just find the right balance between battery life and features for you and enjoy your phone!
[Defy General] tgzw:
8 hours flight mode 1%
[Defy General] quzo:
My Defy is charging every night , max battery life is 36h
[Defy General] daniel_loft:
With UltraJuice on, after 48 h since unplugged, this morning it still had about 30% of battery. I charged it for like half an hour not to have surprises.

Usage: about 30-40 minutes of talking, 3G with data off (probably 2-3 syncs over the day), about 30 minutes of wireless (syncing), some 30-60 minutes of Angry Birds, etc (maybe a few camera shots, a few USSD requests, looking at the clock, searching in the agenda). Ringer at 100%, vibration on, screen on auto.
[Defy General] Frost Storm:
same situation here
[Defy General] IE-coRe:
I treied to use it 2 days but it was empty in school the seconed day..

noe charging every night...
[Defy General] gkrananth:
My one too., I need to charge everyday even my call usage less......
[Defy General] alfchin:
WITH Chinese Froyo(1.11/2.50/2.60) ,my defy can standby about 5days without juicedefender.

I think Chinese Froyo is the MOST energy-saving Rom when your phone is standing by
[Defy General] t830mc:
Hmm interesting finding? And how is your standby time without Chinese Froyo?

I suspect there is a problem with the kernel with european froyo.
[Defy General] thiagold:
I have a Stock Brazillian Claro 2.1, and the batery is during for 4 day with low use.
[Defy General] t830mc:
My Defy consumes 1,5% per hour in over night standby (2G only, data off, wifi off, gps off).

This seems too much, since my HTC desire spent 1% in 3-4 hours during standby.

Even with this consumption my battery holds for 36hrs with solid use.

My definition of solid use:

- 1-2hrs talk

- 2-3hrs browsing, reading/sending mails and reading google reader articles

However I felt that my standby consumtion was to high.

I've tested today my phone in standby with newer SIM card with the same mobile operator

and exact conditions I use my phone normaly.

After 2hrs standby i lost roughly 1%. Test was short and rough but it gave me new hope.

It seems that my older SIM combined with defy is culprit that produces higher energy consumption.

Dmesg log shows that defy had problem going into deep standby.

Defa with new SIM card cloged my log less with warning messages.

Tomorrow I'll swap my SIM card with the new one, and let you know what are my findings.

I'll come back in two days with the results.

P.S. I'm using 177 nordic froyo, I've used Eclair 2.21, and Barebones with 155 and consumption was not too much different.
[Defy General] sewi80:
wow

wow, 6 days is amazing. at normal use in normal circumstances i get around 2-3 days. But sadly at work i have extremely bad reception so my battery is at 50% after normal work day and light use. so bad network coverage is probably biggest battery killer.
[Defy General] mauri121:
GUAU incredible. A probar =)
[Defy General] uzi74:
I use bluetooth extensively (have a sony LiveView), so I don't get such impressive battery life. What helped a lot in my case is the Y5 Battery Saver app, to turn off Wifi when I'm not near to known hotspots (40% or so more runtime).
[Defy General] antihurt:
Unbelievable, mine could only stand for one and a half day
[Defy General] t830mc:
@spryte what's your battery life with cm7 b2
[Defy General] internista:
Change SIM

Until yesterday, Defy consumes 1-2% battery per hour in standby (all off, only 2g, almost no widgets) on VERY OLD SIM CARD, I use them since abaout 10 years.

Yesterday go to my provider and change SIM to brand new.

!!!Now my Defy eats 1% battery per 3 hours in standby!!!

Coverage in my area isn't very good, so probably in better coverage standby time will be the same as Motorora say (400h)
[Defy General] t830mc:
New SIM card results about 1% consumption in 2,5hrs in standby. I'm using beautifull widgets, pure calendar etc.... Now I'm happy :)
[Defy General] t830mc:
@internista what firmware do you use?
[Defy General] internista:
I'm using 3.4.2-155-2 Deblur.
[Defy General] MrBelter:
My phone has not been used much over the last few days so i have been keeping a check on it (again) and the battery is currently at 59% after being on for just under 50 hours. The phone is fully 2.1 stock (UK SIM free) and i think i have had 2 short calls, about 100 texts and approx 30 minutes of wifi use, i am quite pleased with that to be honest.
[Defy General] bokeron2020:
In case I didn't tell you before... I'm having a bug, or a defective hardware part, that's causing the suspend process waste CPU/battery while the phone should be sleeping.

THAT is the main problem for my Defy's battery life. Without that, it can easily reach 2-3 days. When the "bug" appears, the battery is wasted in less than a day.

My problem seems to be related with the inability to put the SIM card into suspend state. Motorola won't hear me, but I've posted a thread at Motorola's user forum explaining my problem:

https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/47721

(At first I didn't knew what the problem was... if you wan't to get to the point, the last messages in the 2nd page and the first ones on the 3rd describe the problem more concisely)
[Defy General] Ougu:
wow its amazing:eek:

i can use my defy about 2days .
[Defy General] KrysSovsky:
stand up to defy my 3 days

in the background SMS, MMS, UPDATES
[Defy General] MrBelter:
I asked T-Mobile for a replacement SIM as mine is about 8 years old and they wanted to charge me £10 for it! I have been a customer of there since One2One started and they want to charge me for a SIM card? I told them to stuff it.
[Defy General] unrafa:
Change companies, they'll call you back begging and offering discounts, get the discounts and then ask for a new sim card.
[Defy General] LeoD7K:
I think the defy already has a great battery, mine lasted 3 days with phone calls, wifi and some gaming, that's great already.
[Defy General] MrBelter:
I have never known T-Mobile offer the steam off there urine mate