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[Epic 4G General] TWO515TY:
Well I kind of understand what you're saying, but I don't really agree with your analogies. The car one is harder to fit because a lot of people buy sports cars for the look or the name, or whatever other features here and there that the Corrolla may not have. Even still, driving habits, location and so may other factors play into whether to get a sports car or a cheap sedan like the Corolla.

Overclocking your phone doesn't really compare because we're talking about taking what we already have (Corolla, sports car, or otherwise) and then modifying it for what is usally a minimum increase in performance. If your car has a 300 hp engine and you upgrade it to 350 hp, but don't drive it any differently than when you had 300 hp, what was the point of upgrading it?

And idk who has 32gb of RAM for regular desktop use, but most people who overclock their PC's can see a finite, tangible increase in performance. I'm on syndicaterom 1.1.0 which can scale up to 1.3 ghz. However, I would never notice the difference between 1 ghz and 1.3 ghz because 1 ghz is already more than fast enough for all of the things I do on my phone, and more than likely for the things that most, if not all people do on their phones. Most of the time, it seems like it's more for the theory and bragging rights. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I just don't see why people overclock and then benchmark their phones for non-gaming applications. To each his own I suppose.
[Epic 4G General] Kitteh298:
Um. Tethering mostly. And also titanium backup.

Ill be it. I'm NOT a computer genius but imnot an idiot. I can root and whatever just fine and things work out eventually. So that's good. Still want to do ec05 and genocide 1.0 though... but yeah..

From My Samsung Epic Using TapaTalk.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Yeah... The author of that editorial should say that to the Indulge users' faces. ;)
[Epic 4G General] Jed Dignazio:
Lol, did he really say this should be stickied on every android forum here?? Oh no he didn't! That's like telling every Puerto rican that his Stock Honda Civic is fine the way it is, lol. Is that not what this forum is all about?? This is XDA Developers right? This is about developing new ideas for these devices that we feel are needed, wanted, or just for fun. These devices are capable of so much more than just stock gives us and we are here to unlock those possibilties. Guess what, a lot of these depend on root, or gaining Superuser permissions. The guy who wrote the arcticle sounded to me like he was just tired of noobs not paying attention or studying before the exam.

The rooting process really can't get any easier. If you could read instructions, download a file and find a button on your keyboard you can root. The problems are caused after you take the wheel of the rooted device and aren't educated enough on how to drive it after you turn off autopilot! But that's why these wonderful forums are here right?
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
The joys of racial stereotypes. You're a class act.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
You have no idea how many times I have had to bite my tongue on this forum... like the kids these days sayin 'no homo', they might as well add 'yes homophobe'. that and the 1488's in usernames... I just try to keep my mouth shut (completely contradictory to my nature) unless someone is using that ignorance in a way that needs to be addressed. The above statement is such, even if you are puerto rican, nobody knows that here on the interwebs... so you could be reinforcing racism in one of the impressionable kids here, when the only impression that should be made is a boot on the racists head. ;)

Support your local ARA. (AFA in the UK/Europe)
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Well here is the thing..the article mentions the Thunderbolt..and HTC is stepping it up taking things more annoying...for us though we got Odin, which is pretty good and simple at being a backup tool...

If a user is inexperienced and is afraid to mess up I just point them to EB13 tool and then update.zip to EC05 and they are back to normal...

That said out of curiosity..has anyone ever bricked their epic rooting? I mean I know on other phones rooting can brick...but I'v heard many people messing up and never heard of anyone bricking...but maybe I missed something...anyone see someone brick just by rooting?
[Epic 4G General] humdrum2009:
Spot on

Good reply Dreams,:cool:thats how i feel live and learn.

I have walked many people through rooting the epic the first time.

Now they are more advanced, and the community is better for it.
[Epic 4G General] Jed Dignazio:
Geez, so sensitive. Every body has heard worse than that. Lighten up, did I really need to put _jk in there? Im 32 and have had a Pimped Civic myself back in the day. Sorry for offending anybody. Everybody knows its not true anyways, right?
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
At least you apologized. The thing is though there are 14 year old kids getting on here and we all need yo keep this forum clean. I know u were only joking but some might not take it like that.

Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Wow, crazy stuff happens while you're offine....

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] CapsLockKey:
Why would it be stickied here? The whole mission of XDA is about modding, tweaking and enhancing these devices. Maybe a typical android forum, but not here.
[Epic 4G General] worldwidepmp:
No problem, I drive a Yukon anyway. ;)
[Epic 4G General] worldwidepmp:
Back on track, while I agree that rooting isn't for everybody, I do feel like with proper reading it shouldn't hinder you if modding your phone is something you want to do. Three years ago I knew nothing about a smartphone or flashing, hell, even computers for that matter, I had an illness and was down for a few months with nothing but time on my hands and I started looking for games for my WinMo phone and came across flashing ROMs and the rest was history! I got the modding/flashing bug that wouldn't go away.
[Epic 4G General] Pyperkub:
The killer app for root is Backup.

Tethering is great for those who feel ripped off by the fees for tethering and don't have ethical qualms about it, but the inability to backup EVERYTHING is a significant problem with stock Android.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
How many mobile OS's offer that functionality? None. If anything Android is the closest offering applications to backup application data even without root.
[Epic 4G General] TWO515TY:
Adding on to this, the way most people (meaning the average Joe who knows not and cares not about rooting and flashing) use their phones, they wouldn't really need to backup EVERYTHING. Gmail/Facebook sync backs up your contacts, calendar, email, etc. Your pictures are stored on your SD card. Really the only other things that people might need backed up are apps and text messages. There's an app for that (lol). With the exception of app data, there isn't much else that needs root to backup.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Just because that's the "mission", doesn't mean those are the only people on here. I am an example of this. I haven't modified my phone in any way, other than downloading apps from the market. Yet, I contribute, helping people with problems. Some other people are like me. This is a good read for anyone on android, and it point out to new users what "root" is, and what can be done afterwards.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] BrianDigital:
Yep android needs to let some apps be able to back up your data within a app I couldn't imgine starting over in homerun battle 3d if I had to replace my phone or all gold stars in angry birds

My girl rocking a stock epic did not like that when she got hers replaced
[Epic 4G General] lynyrd65:
Just out of curiosity, you may not have rooted your phone but did you ever flash dk17 dk28 or any other unofficial firmware? Also, do you get your updates ota or do you odin?
[Epic 4G General] nerdtaco:
I must say, this whole Android thing is a lot easier than WM to play around with. In WM, flash the wrong rom, brick. I don't have a problem rooting, because it is pretty damn hard to brick an Android phone. OTW/recoveries are your best friend.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Never used anything in between Di18 and eb13. And I wait for the ota's, although I almost did an update.zip to ec05, but when I picked up my phone, it was downloading the ec05 update.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] ProDriver77:
I rooted for 1 simple reason: Wireless Tether.

As for custom ROMs: On my old TP2, I had to. Stock ROM with all the bloatware was just too much for the 528 MHz processor. On my Epic, I find the Hummingbird processor more than adeqate for the stock EC05; and don't see myself playing with Bonsai or the like (yet).

Just bought my wife and son each a LG Optimus this weekend - their first Android phones. Might root the wife's for the Wireless Tether. However, they're completely happy with the stock ROMs and performance seems more than snappy enough for their needs.

To each their own, I guess.
[Epic 4G General] Tirregius:
While I'm pretty technically savvy on x86/windows, the world of smartphone hw/sw is very new to me. I picked up my Epic a couple of months ago, coming from the Hero. It took me about a day to decide that this phone is worth getting to know. Never felt interested in digging into a phone before the SPH-D700. This was fast. The hardware was no joke and few big compromises. Dedicated DSP, capable GPU, solid OS, amazing screen, great interface(s), etc. Within a week of reading the XDA forums and the Android Central forums, I had root, ext4, and looking at all manner of hacks for the phone. I was enjoying the device more as it improved with the mods.

I'm certainly guilty of showing off my hacked phone to people who are not so inclined. The oohs and aaahs usually come not from the added features or custom look, but how instantaneous the response of the phone is. "How did you get your phone to be so fast?" And then I tell them all about the process - this is a mistake, I now realize. I can imagine any one of those phone-loving non-geeks taking a dreadful trip back to the Sprint store thanks to yours truly.

I'm going to keep it on the down lo' unless I get the vibe they either have the patience to go with the passion, or they "get it."

Good read and thanks for the post, OP.
[Epic 4G General] siirus09:
Bad analogies there. Buying a sports car has nothing to do with being able to drive it, as such people who dont know about computers dont go buying a 6 core, 32GB RAM computer. The analogy comparison there would be "Why buy a "smart phone" when non-tech savvy people only need to make calls and text?"

But I digress, I agree with the article. I came into Android phones starting with the Epic 4G and before attempting anything that I didnt know how to do that could possibly brick my phone, I read up on it, the differences between ROMs/Kernels, pros and cons, etc. Many users dont realize how complicated the rooting process and flashing is, nor how easy it can be to brick it if done incorrectly. They fail to use the resources available to them and instead of reading a simple wiki or FAQ or Help or the SEARCH FEATURE, they will run to the creator or mods asking for help when it can be as simple as wiping data or reflashing.

Unfortunately, this happens everywhere, from the Wii hacking scene to PS3 modding to game pirating. So Id like to say THANK YOU for your great wisdom and patience oh great Mods and Creators!!!
[Epic 4G General] running_the_dream:
Same deal. People are blown away by how fast the phone is. No one really cares that I'm rooted or have any special modifications or anything. I don't even mention it.
[Epic 4G General] 1greek4u:
Rooting and ROMing our phones is equivalent to getting free performance parts for your car and all you have to do is the labor. Why would you leave the supercharger on your garage shelf when all you have to do is spend a few hours installing it and getting +50 horsepower? Only with the increased battery life it's like the supercharger also gives +10 MPG to boot.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Internet law #5: Eventually, there will be a car analogy in every tech discussion.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Probably because there aren't any women on the internet.
[Epic 4G General] dreamsforgotten:
Lol there are a few
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
I rooted simply for some grins one day I was bored. Sure is a lot easier than doing it to a Palm 755p.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I haven't rooted becase I'm happy the way it is now. I like the touchwiz ui, so I wouldn't be themeing(spelling?). And, I don't think I completely understand roms and kernels yet. And I'm not gonna root just cause. Lol

Edit: actually if I did root there is only one thing I would want to change, the stupid inaccurate stock battery indicator that shows a half full battery when its actually at 30%

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] Magic Oreo:
i root because:

-you can get stuff better then what samsung gets you (cm7+other roms)

-no carrieriq

-wifi tether + adfree android, must have :)
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
To end this argument, I AM always the answer. (Sorry, had to do that.)
[Epic 4G General] saboater:
This is the sole reason I have to do so. Especially when early updates caused data wipes on the Moment and others, it became ridiculous to have to redownload all apps(if you wanted market to work right), and re-enter any data for apps that don't have their own backup solution.

If android is planning to get into gaming, which it appears to be trying to do with many of its apps, having backups is essential. Home consoles all allow this now that they have internal memory for saves.

I realize its a security thing, so the solution may have to get tricky.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] josh4222:
hello every one but l need help l have the g tablet l intall clockwordmod cwm-vo8 andthen l install tnt lite -v5.0 then it install reboot it and its froosent on the main were it says viewsonic see the difference soory l am new to this pleas help me what can l du pleas help me
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pawadca:
Read, read and read some more. I've had my tablet for 48 hours and I know there are plenty of posts about freezing on the boot screens and boot loops. Most make reference to formating partions or repartitioning.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roebeet:
Two things:

1- You've just soft-bricked your device. Read up on nvflash as that's what you'll need to to fix it. Please read this post for details: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=861950

2- I'd like to know where you got TNT Lite 5, as my links were pulled about a month ago. Is there another blog / web site offering TNT Lite 5? Because, if so, I'd like them to cease and desist please. Not because of any copyright violations or any such nonsense as that, but because I pulled it for a reason. Btw, the root cause of your problem is clockworkmod - that's why it soft-bricked.

If someone told you to use clockworkmod to install TNT Lite 5, then please tell them that the creator of TNT Lite 5 is asking them to stop giving out bad information and to please not offer it to anyone.

Sorry about your issues, and I hope the nvflash does the trick for you.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] josh4222:
thanks very much roebeet reding it
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] josh4222:
l did what it told me to du

it did not work lam stuk on Run this script which is in the "NVFlash" folder:

but is not on there can some one tell me how to pleas
[Desire General] Deeco7:
Hi.

I'm in a dilemma here trying to.fimd out what is wrong. I formatted and partitioned my 4gb SD card to work with App2sd+ by making 3gb Fat32 Primary and First Partition and 1gb EXT3 Primary, however whenever apps are installed they tend to use the First partitioned instead of the reserved 1gb partition I had created.

Maybe I have done something wrong, since I am quite new to App2SD and how it works, but know the basics. I would appreciate your help.

Thank you

Sent from my HTC Desire using crappy XDA App.
[Desire General] supergeorge1988:
You must flash a rom with a2sd+ support. It's different from the built in support for a2sd, which can be found in the stock froyo roms and above.
[Desire General] sonoftobit:
Flash Darktremor Apps2SD for Desire in recovery and then use A2SDGUI from the Market to change settings as you like. After that do not manually move apps around. They should me installed to the internal storage which then will be your sd-card.
[Desire General] Deeco7:
I failed to metion that I am using Teppic's 'Pre-rooted Stock Froyo (2.29.405.5)' ROM with the optional addon 'App2SD+' so I presume it should work fine

However, I am thinking it has something to do with the app I have installed 'Move2SD Enabler' which I think is moving everything to the External Fat32 partition'.

Can someone confirm?
[Desire General] fragargon:
yes it could be, i wondering the same things about the app2sd with my first flash with custom's rom and ap2sd+ (i uninstalled this app).

to be shure that your sript ap2sd+ is working fine you can brouwse your phone and go to system/sd you should see 4 folders... app + app-private +lost-found and dalvik-cache (for the last folder it's assumed that your script got the little "+" which means that is moving the dalvik cache to your ext partition)

hope this would help you ;)
[Desire General] Ed Roid:
Another idea to see if a2sd+ is working like it should is to download Quick System Info. When you launch it you should see a line with a2sd info. If it is there then a2sd+ is ok, and you can see how much of you ext3 1GB partition is used.
[Desire General] vinilopes21:
I used the rom manager to make the partitions, then I format them with MiniTool.Partition.Wizard.Professional.v5.2-REDT when needed, you can resize them as needed ... you can download it at rlslog.net

:p
[Desire General] mortenmhp:
Wow... Is it really time for another "how does x type of app to sd solution work?"

It really is quite simple:

Froyo a2sd uses a folder on the fat32 and the system controls, where the apps is installed, and where they are moved to.

a2sd+/legacy a2sd uses the ext-partition by symlinking the folders /data/apps and /data/dalvik-cache to this partition. This solution is transparent to the system itself, so as far as the android system is aware the apps is installed internal. This means you can use widgets from apps on this partition, and it also means that your apps will allways be installed here, so you cannot move them to internal. You will also not see the extra space, your apps will just not take up as much space when installed.

If you like you have done move the apps to sd through the froyo settings, you actually just move them from the ext-partition to the folder on the fat32-partition.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flip35:
i search for help before posting this, whats the difference between savaged zen CFS OR BFS cuz i flashed the latest Savaged-Zen CFS on my evo running cm7 but when i set the max cpu to 1190 it automatically restarted my phone but my phone was stuck on boot never came on so before that one i also the savaged zen fr 3/30/11 n it was real fast it would load the internet fast or get to where ever real fast but once there on the page it was real laggy n sluggish which let me note that thats what i want, speed, i dont really care too much about battery cuz i carry 5 with me but i havent try BFS cuz i dont want to keep messing up my phone, which one u guys would b best for performance but that would also b response like cm7 running 1113 i would like to run 1190 cpu but keep my responsiveness thank u
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] router54g:
CFS = completely faie scheduler. Better background app performance.

BFS = brainfuck scheduler. Better foreground app performance.

Some people swear by either. BFS /seems/ faster to me. Try both.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flip35:
hey router54g thanks a bunch ama try BFS now thanx
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dkdude36:
to add to this a bit...

cfs: guaranteed to work well. stock scheduler. smooth. works better for some than others.

bfs: not guaranteed to work well. for some, terrible. for others FANTASTIC. this is a luck of the draw sort of thing. this scheduler is usually not as smooth as cfs, and can sometimes have really bad performance, but for some people this is much much better. it isn't the stock scheduler, so it has to be built in manually. try it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
Would also have to add in to change ur governors around as well. On smartass mine is very laggy but on demand and its perfect.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flip35:
Dam I just finish trying both of them and everytime I set my Max to 1190 my phone keeps on booting n freezing and it stops working n stays on reboot n my buddy is running the exact same thing, cm7 with the dark horse theme v1.2b n his works nicely I have my min at 1113 n Max at 1190 n performance n it just doesn't work, I don't knw what's going on
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phatmanxxl:
All your gonna do is kill your battery and instability with those settings keep the min at somewhere halfway at the most. 1152 has been the average stable maximum. Anything higher than that will just cause problems.

Just because the speedometer goes to 150, does not mean you should take the car that fast.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flip35:
Lol ur right I ride a sportsbike so I'm used to living on the edge but I like the speed, I don't really worry about batt cuz I carry five with me but reading ur post helps me cuz if 1152 is really the stable than I should just keep the kernel fr cm7/rc4 cuz is one step down n smooth I just thought I would b able to run it at 1190 but guess not, thanx though
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] router54g:
Set your min to the lowest possiblle. Your governer will scale it up as needed. Min freq is only really hit when your CPU is idling to save battery. When this happens the CPU isn't really being used. Imagine it as your car's RPMs. You wouldn't want to idle at 6000 RPMs, it'll only kill your tranny/engine (CPU/power circuitry) quicker and guzzle gas (battery) like mad.

Also experiment with governers. Savaged-Zen worked best for me at first but lately it's slowing down (it's supposed to learn your behavior over time; same results on my brother's phone so obviously it doesn't work well). I'm using straight-up OnDemand right now and it seems to be pretty responsive.

Lastly those crashes are from overaggressive clocks (speeds). Not every CPU on the wafer is createe equal. Some phones can't sustain 1190, some can sustain more. It's luck of the draw when you buy your phone.

I think BFS vs CFS comes down to how many background processes you have running. But you gotta be careful with task killers. Only kill the apps you won't be opening again for a while, and only autokill the tasks you rarely use. It ends up costing more battery and performance-wise to kill and the later reload many tasks than to just let them idle. Remember most tasks won't eat up any CPU whennot in use, and Android handles their RAM usage well enough for most cases.