yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC EVO 3D] bobodobo:
I get no search results when I click on that link. If that number 24408101 was supposed to be a thread ID, that thread doesn't relate to this topic.

Unlocked with HTC method for hboot 1.5, Stock ROM

Running ControlBear as administrator

USB debugging enabled

"Unknown sources" checked

HTC Sync etc. not installed

"Starting up......

Connecting to device...

Found device.....

Backing up......

adb server is out of date. killing...

* daemon started successfully *

/data/local/JuopunutBear: not found

Transferring backups....

Secondary backup FAILED!!

Press ENTER to exit....."

Yeah I'm a dummy with regards to these things... any other advice?
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
I think that search link expired.

Here's the post that has the answer you're looking for. I found it by searching this thread for "secondary backup".

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] bobodobo:
I think you mean this one?

"I was getting this with stock rooted ROM. You must go to apps & check unknown sources. You will get 2 superuser request access during the process. Allow SU. Worked S-OFF YES!!!!!"

I searched on "secondary" and found that post, so I checked "unknown sources" but I never get requests for superuser access... Obviously something really dumb I'm doing, I hoping someone can help de-dumify me...
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
What ROM are you using? It needs to be rooted and have superuser installed or you won't get those prompts. These backups happen early in the process before the S-Off actually occurs so you haven't lost anything yet.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] bobodobo:
I'm using CleanROM (GB, not ICS) - which isn't exactly stock, but is a lot less un-stock than some of the ROMs people are using and still getting s-off via the Juopunutbear method. And I do have Superuser installed and get requests for superuser access (from Titanium Backup, Wireless Tether, etc.,) so I know that part works.

Maybe I need to bite the bullet and flash the pure stock ROM?
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
That's the one I used. I had a nandroid backup of my phone right after rooting it but if you don't have one of those here's a link with some stock rooted ROM's.

Good Luck!

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] tallguywes:
Is it possible to downgrade our bootloader to 1.40 after this method?
[HTC EVO 3D] Nametaken:
Can't see why not, but don't quote me on that :(
[HTC EVO 3D] bobodobo:
Should I use the current 2.17 ROM or earlier, odexed or deodexed, or does that not matter since it's just a temporary ROM for the purpose of getting s-off?
[HTC EVO 3D] ckoadiyn:
The only thing you can't do from my understanding is downgrade straight to eng bootloader. Otherwise flash up n down all you want lol.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
I doubt that it matters, but I would probably use the 2.17 odexed ROM.

Edit: I just did a second phone with this ROM flashed and it worked fine.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] Nametaken:
And take out any tweaks you can personalize from the Rom. Not saying it happens a ton, but it seems some tweaks just get baked in when you do this downgrade method. Also, from a few I have read, there is a slight chance your phone may come out a touch wonky.

As with everything we do to our phones here, we just have to accept the downsides :p
[HTC EVO 3D] cmbaughman:
Ok, I ran this a few days ago and obtained s-off and have the special hboot installed. No real issues activating it updated. Now however I noticed that any aosp Rom I try to install keeps telling me that I have to activate again, which doesn't work because airplane mode is turned on and when I turn it off and reboot to get activation again it goes back to airplane mode. This doesn't happen on sense ics roms though as I did re-activate after the s off process already. What am missing? Please help me know a next step. I have the juoponutbear hboot and updated prl, etc... Do I go ahead on the aosp Rom and turn off airoplane mode and call for reactivation again?
[HTC EVO 3D] metro77279:
I did it! It worked but when I try to flash roms with Rom manager the phone gets stuck. It also won't download with Rom manager, it also gets stuck. Is there a trick?
[HTC EVO 3D] dimebagdan65:
lol'ing at the fact that a good percentage of the folks having problems have fewer than 50 posts to their credit... Again, not trying to be mean, but sometimes it's better to stay in the shallow end until you're used to the water, cause if you jump in the deep end too early, you're bound to get into trouble that you might not be able to be rescued from...

Read, read, read, then read some more, and when your eyes go blurry, find a trusted friend to read TO you, by the time they get tired your eyes should be rested enough to continue reading on your own... There's enough experienced vets around that any questions you have can easily be answered and most likely already have been answered which brings us back to read, read, read, then read some more. Ok, I'm done, happy flashing folks!
[HTC EVO 3D] Nametaken:
I am having issues with AOSP roms as well.

I have a Thread for QnA for the Wire Trick open to help keep this thread open for Development, as that is where it is posted. Not being a jerk, just hoping to help keep this place cleaned up, and give a place for some of the nice vets to pop into to help out. (This helps to keep flaming down from grumpy people :p ) That is the most I am posting in regards to "Halpz!" kinda things. However!!

I do believe that it is safe to post that in my findings:

Using an ICS rom was a true mistake. The instructions said we could try other Roms, as their are too many to try out and verify.

While I thought I was not able to flash different kernels, I can. In Sense roms, it just reads the stock kernel, but it has changed. I know, because I can flash an AOSP kernel and boot loop up a sense rom.

I can flash over and boot an AOSP rom, which means my kernel would have to work with AOSP, so that was cleared up. Though when I try to finish my set up, it says I need to activate my phone, but it says it is stuck in Airplane mode. Airplane mode is NOT on, as WiFi is on. Airplane mode does kick that off as well.

So, after hearing that a number of people are having issues with this trick, even if they are few, we are still seeing a group of people popping up with same or very similar issues.

In stead of placing blame, I would suggest we start asking people with issues what is going on and start seeing if we can find a trend. While it may be user error, it could be something with the set up that the phones are on that is causing this.

Sorry to OP for multiple posts, but from what I am reading, issues are popping up and they could be caused by something outside of user error. Again, thanks for the hard work in figuring out this trick :)
[HTC EVO 3D] dimebagdan65:
@nametaken good on ya, that's what I like to see! For anyone else, here's the thread he created

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1670078

Subscribe to both and don't do a thing until you are completely comfortable and prepared for what you are about to undertake. Sorry if my previous post came off a little harsh, but the underlying message holds true. This is potentially dangerous stuff here, it's in your best interest to be patient and look before you leap

:thumbup::D:beer:
[HTC EVO 3D] metro77279:
How can I downgrade to 1.4 ? I did the wire trick and it worked but I can't flash kernels or use Rom manager. Any ideas? I was hopping doing the wire trick would fix that but I'm pretty much in the same thing but s off
[HTC EVO 3D] dimebagdan65:
See Nametaken's post above, it addresses this exact issue (flashing kernels, not downgrading)
[HTC EVO 3D] megabiteg:
I would like to know what kind of cables people are using for the "wire trick". I believe that the option of using the internal small wires of an Ethernet cable should be best option because its a better conductor and its well insulated. Using a paper clip or any other cable that's not copper based introduces variations and static transfer even when you use electrical tape.

I'm not going to say that this is the soul issue regarding the people having issues with kernel / ROM flashing after the fact but, it could be part of the situation.

Another thing, is that I strongly recommend and believe that its best to perform this process with:

A) FULL STOCK ROOTED ROM (no special kernels or other modifications made) and also freshly flashed after a full wipe. (its important to perform a major change like this with a clean ROM/Kernel/Setup)

B) with the proper insulated cable.

I believe that any other variables introduced to a function like this may elevate your risk to produce adverse reactions during and after the fact.

Just my 2ct....
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Why are you using ROM Manager? It's been known to have problems on the E3D and I highly recommend 4EXT instead. If you want to use a ClockworkMod recovery, it's more reliable to flash it from fastboot on a PC or from the Flash Image GUI app but I think there are some issues on the E3D with all versions (never use it to partition an SD card).

Unless you meant Boot Manager, and if that's the case I have no experience with that app. Although you can use Boot Manager once S-Off, the setup can be tricky and I'm not sure if it supports the ICS ROM's yet or not.

---------- Post added at 10:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:51 AM ----------

Good point! I've done it twice using a paperclip since that was an option mentioned in the instructions, but agree than an insulated copper wire might be a safer way to go.

From the Evo 3D specific instructions:

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] Nametaken:
Thanks for pointing out which wire is best! This is all REALLY great info if OP gets an FAQ for this device up and going :)

With our blunders combined, we are awesome faq! (Not Captain Planet, sorry)
[HTC EVO 3D] shawn328:
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[HTC EVO 3D] metro77279:
I like using Rom manager ,I thought this would fix that problem. About flash GUI, it always geta Mt phone stuck on a loop. I guess I'll stick to twrp recovery.
[HTC EVO 3D] metro77279:
You're partially right, after reading a little bit, I thought that I wanted s off. Now that I did it, I wish I would've read some more to find out what the actual advantages of s off are. I've yet to find one!
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Suit yourself. If you don't want advice/help, don't ask for it.

BTW, downgrading to HBoot 1.4 won't buy you anything if you are S-Off already.

Good luck!

---------- Post added at 04:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:43 PM ----------

As I mentioned before, you can run Boot Manager which requires S-Off, although I wouldn't recommend that until your other issues are resolved. You can also update firmware without having to flash the complete RUU, and install ROM's and kernels without having to start recovery from your PC, or double boot in 4EXT, or flash the kernel with Flash Image GUI. And with the current crop of ICS leak ROM's going S-Off is the only way some people have been able to get the ICS stock kernel to run. And once you are S-Off using this method you are also back to **Locked** status in the bootloader so you can go back to a completely stock configuration with no indication that you ever rooted.

But if you don't know why you went S-Off, I agree that you are probably better off with S-On. If you decide to go back, just make sure you have a stock signed bootloader installed before you set S-On, or you will brick your phone and have to go through a much more complicated process to recover it.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] metro77279:
Didn't mean to sound ungrateful, I just answered a question. My bad! I do love to learn and I am grateful that there are other people here willing to help.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
OK. I didn't mean to pick on you, but you said you were going back to TWRP after I specifically recommended 4EXT recovery. I don't think there are as many issues on the E3D with TWRP as CWM, but 4EXT is more current and has a very proactive and responsive developer, and I think you would find that it makes flashing and maintaining your phone easier even if you stay S-Off, but especially if you decide to go back to S-On.

Once again, good luck with whatever you decide.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] metro77279:
I will definitely try that, for all I know that's what I'm looking for, thanx. To be honest what I really wish I could do is find something like Rom manager. When I had my evo 4g it just made it simple. But I'm enjoying all these new things and how people manage to go around them. I just gotta catch up !
[HTC EVO 3D] ubigdumy:
OK, I got this to work fine but having issue going back to meanrom ics. I installed stock rooted rom to do this trick and had no problem. I reinstalled the stock rooted rom from recovery (4ext) after and had no issues. Also I did not install the bootloader supplied with this download because didn't think it was necessary. Meanrom just sits on htc screen, any ideas.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
You don't need the Juopunutbear recovery unless you want the extra write/erase functions referenced on the home page, and I'm still not sure exactly what those do.

It sounds like your kernel wasn't flashed successfully if you are stuck at the HTC screen. Did you run the MD5 check on the MeanROM .zip you downloaded? If not, you might want to try that and redownload if the MD5 doesn't match. It's best to run the MD5 check on the phone to make sure the .zip you are actually installing is correct.

If the MD5 checks out correctly, try the flash again because it should be working now that you're S-Off, with or without the SmartFlash option in 4EXT.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] ubigdumy:
It's the same download I used when I was running on it before flashing the stock rooted rom so It should still all be there. Do I need a different kernel or does the one included work fine with this.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
No. I'm currently running MeanROM ICS 1.5 (just released) and it's working fine with the stock kernel. Flashed it with 4EXT earlier today. If you still have S-On turned on in the 4EXT app settings or the Tools menu of the recovery, you might want to disable that, but it should work either way.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] ubigdumy:
I'll download 1.5 and give her a try, I was still on 1.3

---------- Post added 25th May 2012 at 12:14 AM ---------- Previous post was 24th May 2012 at 11:40 PM ----------

Alright I got her working, I think it might of been that my 4EXT needed update because the app wasn't even on my phone, or my SU was gone and I was back on old version of superuser either way I updated those 2 things and now back to the land of MEAN ICS. This s-off method is awesome. Thanks to everyone who had a part in this.
[HTC EVO 3D] bobodobo:
Somehow my gut feeling was that being on CleanROM rather than a purely stock ROM wasn't the issue... and I was right. It was PDANet. I know the instructions said to make sure that programs like PDAnet weren't running. I hadn't used it in a zillion years but somehow it was still on my computer and still active. When I finally realized that, I killed it and ControlBear did its thing just fine. The wire trick worked on the 2nd try. I have s-off with hboot 1.5 now.

Now to try to install an ICS ROM - my only reason for wanting s-off was because every time I tried to install an ICS ROM, I got boot loops. Many people have said that s-off eliminates such problems. We'll see...

UPDATE: I can now install ICS ROMs, well at least I was able to install MeanROM, haven't tried any others yet, thanks to all for the help.
[HTC EVO 3D] wbchristmas:
NO STICKY?

You mean this thread hasn't been stickied yet?
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Hard to believe, isn't it? There are two threads stickied for the 1.4 downgrade and one just for cleaning up the VM firmware. I requested that one of the mods sticky the thread a while back, but I guess they didn't see it or they are waiting for it to meet some criteria since there was no response at all.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] johncjenc:
I'm sorry, this has been bugging the holy hell out of me.

juopunut

Finnish

Adjective

juopunut (comparative juopuneempi, superlative juopunein)

1. drunk, drunken
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Have you done the procedure yet? That is certainly consistent with the script. :)

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] johncjenc:
C'mon, no one else was wondering?
[HTC EVO 3D] DoubleOThrowed:
Thank you this was quick and simple..I cut some speaker wires so I wouldn't have to worry about length and got it done.....
[HTC EVO 3D] cas8180:
Followed the app to the T was so simple and straight forward took about 15 min. Much better than the downgrade process. Enjoying me some ics now!
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Glad it went smoothly for you. That's good feedback coming from someone that has done S-Off both ways (HBoot 1.4 downgrade and Juopunutbear "wire trick").

I can't believe that people are still struggling through the old method. :confused:

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] shadowmike:
I don't think its a struggle. It's more stupidity , or in my case lazyness.

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[HTC EVO 3D] jeffhbo:
you gotta be kidding me! How the F*CK did you figure this out?!?! I can't believe how simple it was to do this! It seemed so random, it almost seemed like a joke. It worked first time and took me less than 5 minutes! You're amazing my friend. Screw a beer, I'm buying you a 6 pack. great work and thank you VERY much!
[HTC EVO 3D] jae-v:
Any instruction to flash on a mac yet?
[HTC EVO 3D] dimebagdan65:
Besides running it from bootcamp windows, I don't think so :(
[HTC EVO 3D] 1stCentauri:
Worked like a charm, took a try or two but now my Shoota is S-OFF. Just got it an hour or so ago, and I'm already ready to flash away! Thanks much guys!!
[HTC EVO 3D] shadowmike:
Adb + s-off files + USB stick. Library 5 minutes.

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[HTC EVO 3D] rayrodriguez:
Just like zbergmark, I bricked my phone. I didn't get the wire trick timing right on the first two tries and then my phone became completely unresponsive after the third try of the wire trick. Oh well. :( This is one of the risks of messing with these phones. (and I hope no one chalks this up to me not having 50 or more XDA posts because I have plenty of flashing and adb experience - just bad luck)

I just saw the HTC Unbricking Project thread. Maybe I can use that to fix this. If not, some have reported that Best Buy is accepting non-working EVOs as trade for the new EVO 4G LTE. I might give that a try too.
[HTC EVO 3D] Astrikz:
Same happened to me. The HTC Unbircking Project wont unbrick your device because sadly our devices are hard BRICKED. Its a hardware issue and no way in bringing it back to life.
[HTC EVO 3D] insanecon:
Successfully went s-OFF, was left without a recovery. Flashed 4ext, entered recovery and flashed a rom (SOS M 1.5).. Rebooted but I'm stuck on the juopunutbear screen which appears after the htc screen.. dont know what to do next.. Pls help!!

Okay.. Ran controlbear, phone restarted.. working now!
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
If you can't get into the bootloader via VolumeDown+Power after removing the battery, I would suggest going to the IRC channel to see if the developers have any ideas. Or you could try a PM to the OP of this thread and explain your situation. He asked for no PM's for general discussion and questions, but might be willing to help if you think your phone is bricked.

Edit: Here's a post from the OP of the unbricking thread that gives a procedure for those that think they bricked their phone with the wire trick. Might be worth a try. BTW, he also recommends using a wire instead of a paperclip.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] rleonard55:
Thanks I ended up needed to use this a few time. Apparently the ICS rom (myn's Silk) I was on didnt play nice with JB ICS-Leak. Ultimately I ended up reverting via the -f command > flashed SteelROM (closest to stock GB Image I had handy) and tried the GB Juopuntbear. Worked on the first try, thanks again everyone I'm rocking S-Off now I should have done this a long time ago.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Congratulations! I've only used stock rooted GB ROM's so far and it's worked fine for me on two phones.

It would have been hard to do this process a long time ago since the beta for the E3D was just released on May 18. :)

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] Nametaken:
Duh, time travel!! Thanks Ram for all your help in here and for putting up with us noobs LOL:beer:
[HTC EVO 3D] dimebagdan65:
Truth, Ram's the man!
[HTC EVO 3D] insanecon:
Was flashed to a different carrier. Lost carrier settings after s-off.

Did a qpst restore and I get network, but no data. Also calls get disconnected in one second. What's wrong?

Please help!
[HTC EVO 3D] jae-v:
Oh ok, just figured if it worked for Linux it would work on mac. Can't just cd to directory and fast boot flash the image file?
[HTC EVO 3D] Astrikz:
Thanks, But it doesn't matter anymore. I took my phone into sprint and they also said it was a hardware issue and that they will be sending me a new phone within 4 days.
[HTC EVO 3D] nickflo13:
S-OFF completed! Had to do the wire trick twice. Timing is everything and when it says tap it, really just tap it. After I completed this had some problems with data and such but to resolve that issue all I did was go to Settings - System Update and Update Profile, and then I updated the PRL as well. No problems with data anymore. The phone did have to be re-activated before I did the system updates to restore data but this is easy and I did it through the phone w/o the assistance from Sprint. Just an FYI. I also completed this using SteelROM 2.73. I didn't go back to a completely stock ROM. Great job and thank you for finding this amazing trick out. Thanks again.
[HTC EVO 3D] saenz4931:
Anyone with this ? Or any idea what the problem may be or any fix?... Thanks in advance

El Demonio in 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] heathmcabee:
Jeez, I had to go back on my history to find this awesome thread. why isn't this stickied. It's easier than the downgrade method.
[HTC EVO 3D] binoculaz:
Stuck on JB wire trick...

I still can't get Juopunutbear to load correctly if anyone could please help. I have tried reading the thread to get a better understanding. The last phone I flashed regularly was the HTC Touch Pro 2.

Some history if this helps.

I'm on 1.5 S-On

I unlocked using HTCdev

Tried using TWRP 1.1.1 to flash Meanrom but that resulted in bootloops.

Wiped everything and then tried using TWRP 2.1 but had the same result with Meanrom/Viper/etc...

Restored original stock ROM using the backup I made in TWRP 1.1.1.

Uninstalled Active Sync, HTC Sync, and iTunes on my PC

Downloaded Juopunutbear GB package

Turned on USB debugging in Android

Ran as Admin in Windows XP

All i get is this error: Found device.....but device has no root!!

Any ideas on what else to do? Did I miss a step? I have a feeling that restoring the original stock ROM was not enough and that I need to do something else.

Thanks for any and all help.
[HTC EVO 3D] Nametaken:
Did your back up have root access? Is this a fresh phone to be rooted and flashed?
[HTC EVO 3D] binoculaz:
the original rom did have root access. I just tried flashing MIUI rom which worked great. JB finally got further than usual, but stopped and this error now came up:

=== Waiting device....

(6/45)

Found device... Please wait...

/data/local/JuopunutBear: permission denied

Quit....

I ran it as an Admin out of Windows XP so I'm not sure what this error is for.
[HTC EVO 3D] ramjet73:
Sounds like it's still trying to make the backups before it actually does anything. You need to make sure the option in Applications settings to allow unknown sources is checked, and there should be a couple of prompts for root access that you need to approve. The superuser in MIUI can be a little tricky when it comes to the prompts.

ramjet73
[HTC EVO 3D] binoculaz:
Thanks for the quick responses.

I ended up flashing a proven rooted stock rom. Worked great; wish I had tried that first.

Oh well, hopefully this helps someone else.
[HTC EVO 3D] Visionikz03:
Quick question? Does this method allow returning to factory state like unrooting with unrevoked?
[HTC EVO 3D] shadowmike:
I have read people saying they unrooted with s on no traces. Search thread to make sure

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