yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Captivate General] jwood55812:
IDK...If you bought your phone subsidized like most people here, you signed an agreement saying you wouldn't tether unless you paid for the plan. If it's unlocked then sure I can see it, but for the majority of people here, we agreed not to do it unless we paid extra.
[Captivate General] reinbeau:
I understand about user agreements and all that, what I don't get is why advertise plans as 'unlimited' or 2 gig' or whatever and then not allow the use of that data any way the customer wants? I'm on the 2 gig plan only because 200 mb is too damned low - I never go over 400, but I'm paying for 2 gigs. If I wanted to tether and use my laptop up in Maine, where we have no internet connection, I doubt I'd go over that 2 gig limit with e-mail, FB and a bit of forum browsing - what's the harm in that? Yes, I know, many abuse it but not all - that's my frustration with it.
[Captivate General] bames:
this is all bogus sour grapes......ps3droid got punked by one of his own followers april fools jokes and can't let it go so he stirs up this nonsense.
[Captivate General] JustEric:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all phones are created rootable."

ROFLCAKES! Thanks for the laugh, bro. Seriously...that was almost funnier than the OP.
[Captivate General] bames:
they don't currently offer on new contracts....but many users were grandfathered under pre-existing unlimited data plans
[Captivate General] dingokevin:
Love my unlimited data 9 days in to my month 2.3 g down.
[Captivate General] groves226:
p3droid got punked by designgears too. p3droid comes of kind of as the average angry it nerd, nobody is as smart as him.

For what harm can a constant (and sometimes very high draw like torrents or streaming video) you have to read how a TDMA network runs. Below is an OK writeup.

www.arcx.com/sites/CDMAvsTDMA.htm

now if you read that you understand how channels work. What happens in a constant connection because of torrents or streaming is the handsrt starts using more timeslots as the networks tries to finish the connection as fast as possible so as to end the demand but, in the case of streaming, the demand never ends.

Now for the tethering, I do not know if tetherong gets a different channel access or demand but I do know tether plans did have a different gateway then regular users.

wap.cingular

isp.cingular

Ill try to get ahold of one of the att air cards and double check if they still do it.
[Captivate General] JayFReaZy:
Amen brother, it's our data that we already payed for. We should be able to use it anyway we see fit.
[Captivate General] groves226:
And MikeyMike weren't you the one complaining about unlimited data planz dude abusing theif plan when they download?
[Captivate General] Nerz:
Should tethering be allowed? I believe so. But because of the stupidity of people claiming that they dont see a problem with using obscene amounts of data, we'll how long this grandfathered policy last.
[Captivate General] TRusselo:
not allowed to share 3g data by usb...

but sharing 3g by wifi is OK??

who is steeling from who?
[Captivate General] fatttire:
I fail to see what the issue with allowing free tethering is as long as your data plan isn't unlimited.

If I tether, I'm much more likely to pass 2 GB and pay an extra $25....(?).

Hell, they should be promoting tethering like crazy. Everyone would be having overages.

Sent from my SGH-I897
[Captivate General] Killerfish1450:
Yes but then everyone would be complaining to have those same overages removed from their bill causing a major loss of revenue.
[Captivate General] TriC_101:
In Canada this would never happen.. the Laws of the land would not allow it and the carries over here would never want to make their customers upset.
[Captivate General] modest_mandroid:
They're already one step ahead of you :p

They knew mobile phones are only going to get more data intensive as services like netflix increase in popularity, so they got rid of the unlimited plans (which were never unlimited in the fine print) and replaced them with capped plans. Observe how the cap (2gb) offers a sufficient amount of data for now and is sold as such (ATT claim they want to save customers money by selling a capped plan for cheaper than the old unlimited plan, as statistically most people do not exceed 2gb/mo), but will be vastly insufficient in the near future, at which point they will offer a higher capped plan for much more ($40/mo for 5gb?) and pretend they're doing the customer a favor.
[Captivate General] Rrryan2:
It's prima facie violation of contract we signed. Don't like it, don't sign the agreement. It sucks, but it is what it is. Intentional, willful violations of a legally binding agreement...
[Captivate General] GSMinCT:
There are SIM-locked devices on the AT&T network, and it's not breaking GSM. AT&T's contract phones, as well as GoPhone allows SIM swaps, but Tracfones that run on AT&T do not. They are married to that phone, you can't even swap to swap phone books.

I would agree with you on an unlimited plan, BUT when you're metered, there is absolutely no justification for disallowing tethering. I think they should allow tethering on the 2GB plan, and enforce the TOS vigorously on the unlimited plan.

Also, by your logic, checking Facebook on my laptop tethered through wifi uses more network resources than running Pandora and Google Maps GPS with satellite on my phone while driving around in my car?
[Captivate General] tjsooley:
O Poor baby want to make full use of his phone without paying for it.

I should say that people with this atitude are the reason for this WHOLE issue.

If nobody ILLEGALLY teathered this would not be a issue.

BTW they can track teathering anyone who beleaves otherwise doesn't understand how packet sniffing and traffic monitoring works.
[Captivate General] tjsooley:
ATT offers phones that do different things. some thay make you pay for ie tethering hot spot ect.

just because you have a data play that doesn't include tethering doesn't make it there fault for letting you use a phone that can tether with a play that you cant.

that is like saying it is the auto makers fault that you get a speeding ticket.

I agree with your comments about ETF.
[Captivate General] RGardner:
Read your contract. AT&T's Get out of Jail Free card states "I agree that AT&T may add required plans to my account and bill me the appropriate monthly fee if I use an iPhone or other device that has plan requirements."

If you are caught tethering (whether they can or no, I have no opinion), they can add the tethering plan and they aren't changing your contract since you've already told them that they can add plans as required.
[Captivate General] GSMinCT:
You can just call them, tell them you weren't tethering, they have no way to prove it, and they won't charge you for the plan.
[Captivate General] d3v14n7:
Yea, the OP's story smells like bull**** to me...

As far as tethering goes, AT&T should do the same thing Rogers does in Canada, any data plan over 1GB is allowed to tether to any device... And then only force the tethering plan on those with the grandfathered unlimited data plans to try to force them out of the plan, or just cancel the grandfathered unlimited plans altogether... The amount of people they'd lose by canceling the unlimited plan would be fairly small anyways.

At first I was pissed about our carriers not having unlimited data plans, but then I realized that it isn't really needed, I use maybe 2GB a month (out of the 6GB/mo plan I'm on), I've only gone over 4GB once and that's because we just moved and I was tethering to both our laptops for over 2 weeks until we got our internet service hooked up... And really, anyone going over that is more than likely downloading torrents and streaming Netflix, both of which should not be allowed over 3G/4G in the first place as they bog everyone's connection down, especially torrents.
[Captivate General] zelendel:
ok guys i think this has gone on long enough. If ATT finds away to prevent teathering for those without a plan then that is their right by the contract you agreed to. Doesnt matter if you read the TOS or not, you signed it and are required to hold to it.

I may not agree with it but that doesnt really matter once you put your name on the dotted line. If you didnt read the TOS well you have no one to blame but yourself.

Thread Closed
[Xoom General] bella92108:
Anyone heard a release data and country yet?
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
No, but I really hope they do before my Costco 90-day return limit comes up in May (but I'm not too optimistic- might end up with two :-))
[Xoom General] bella92108:
Yeah that'd be what I'd do too, or Amazon. How you like it? I'm just not loving my ipad 2
[Xoom General] ydaraishy:
I think the UK release date is the 9th?
[Xoom General] bella92108:
Of April?!? Where you see that?
[Xoom General] burden010:
Actually carphone warehouse are releasing the 3G version on the 19th. Wifi only is 9th from Dixons group uk.
[Xoom General] bella92108:
I'm curious where you saw Carphone Warehouse is getting a gsm model in April when moto has said almost nothing of it. Price? Have you seen anything online about the release? Link?

Thx

Edit: I see it at http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/laptop-redirect/motorola-xoom

Damn £579!?!?! that's horrid when converted to USD$... Hope they release here but I'm sure it'll be carrier contract only :-(
[Xoom General] ydaraishy:
It probably won't be all that useful for the US, because the frequency bands will be different. The CPW site says it works on 3 and TalkMobile==Vodafone UK, which means 900MHz and 2100MHz -- no UMTS operators in the US use those bands. To get something on 850MHz for AT&T, you're going to probably have to wait until it's released in the US :(
[Xoom General] bella92108:
I wonder why they'd only make them dual band... today tri band and quad band is the norm, and as many networks at the different frequencies, it seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot with only 2 frequencies, which don't work in some fairly large markets, like the US. On the flipside, they may have struck a deal with AT&T or T-Mo to offer the device through them, of course with their bloat\crapware installed. Ugh.

In any event, if this really is the case, then I'll pass on the Xoom.
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
Yeah, and the MDM6600 is definitely 800/850/900/1700/1900/2100 (Bands I/II/IV/V) capable (of course, because of antenna-tuning and certification requirements, most devices only support a subset of those frequencies as a cost-saving measure).

In any case though, we'll still have at the very least EDGE data worldwide.

OT: I still don't get folks' hate on apps they'll never use, esp. with tens of GBs of available space. There's lots of SW on there you might not use either as part of the basic OS; what's the difference?
[Xoom General] bella92108:
EDGE? Wow, I'll be lined up to buy that one. NOT, lol.

People hate on bloatware because it ties up system ram and performs tasks the user doesn't want it to do. For example, I have a HTC Inspire 4G. AT&T so lovingly loads an app that latches onto an AT&T WiFi network where available, and that app also puts a big orange WiFi logo in the upper left anytime I've been in the presence of AT&T WiFi at any time in the day. Ridiculous.

It's not an issue of space, it's an issue of Google is the expert in making the OS, and it downgrades the performance of the OS when AT&T installs FamilyMap, Navigator, Barcode Scanner, AT&T Shopper, and games I don't want. Much like a PC the more you have on the drives, the slower the unit performs because there's always background indexing and tasks going, even if you've "disabled" those apps. :-(

Wish google would sell one unlocked like they did with the Nexus S, but on a truly unlocked for any GSM basis.
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
I'm an Android developer- it's not significant, and just like with Task Killers or "Where did all my RAM go" posts, it's more about people not knowing about how these things work. 90% of the code necessary to make that AT&T hotspot work is already in the OS, for example; get an Intent notification on a WiFi scan and if it matches a DB entry, use the system to pop up a widget on-screen. Viewing even a single simple webpage uses probably 20x the "resources" people worry about unecessarily about, and unused code, even if it's even been loaded has no effect on battery life and even gets invalidated out of the system when necessary.

BUT we're way OT.
[Xoom General] bella92108:
The point is they bake it into their device, so it's impossible to remove without rooting. I don't want AT&T to decide they want to put their advertisement in my OS. I'm perfectly happy with the native apps, and if I CHOSE to add their apps, I can DECIDE to download them.

My whole reason for not wanting them is I don't want to see them, lol
[HD7 General] tfn:
Apparently HTC seems to be releasing its own firmware updates for WP7 following NODO update by MS

http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/04/06/htc-releasing-new-wp7-update/

There is rumour that CHevron unlocked phones could brick or create problems with the update although some Dev's with chevron unlocked phones haven't had and issues so far.

But on the plus point most of the chevron unlocked phones seem to be getting this update first

It seems this will sort out the hardware aspect of HTC phones to work better with NODO and future MS updatess

And as usual you will be at the mercy of the Networks to receive the update unless you have a sim free unbranded phone.
[HD7 General] schmoo:
I have the NODO update (via goldcard and then offical 89->90 update). But have not seen the HTC update (unbranded SIM unlocked phone).

Gordon.
[HD7 General] zeka1974:
Hello guys,

I have the European Rom with NoDo update and until now nothing appears in Zune regarding this HTC update.

(Unbranded SIM unlocked phone)

Thanks,

Santos
[HD7 General] ryan25012003:
I did get the HTC update and it broke the camera (couldn't save picture) and twitter / seesmic won't update tweets.
[HD7 General] circleofomega:
Lets undo nodo....what say...?? Its creating more trouble than solving it...am seriously thinking oral a roll back..
[HD7 General] jimbonics:
My nodo has been flawless, as are 10 other co-worker phones I've updated. Longer battery, faster load times, c&p, marketplace improvements.

All good here.
[HD7 General] VizagDude:
Except fir the few other fixes I was hoping MS would've addressed with NoDo, I really like this update. The only problem fir me is the battery life. It looks like its draining faster than pre-NoDo. Could be my usage too. But overall very happy with the update.
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
I don't think the nodo update is the problem. Hopefully HTC gets it together and sends out a proper update.
[HD7 General] jemaho:
I got this infamous HTC update and, if not bricking, I honestly think it does something to NoDo unlocked handsets. Since I've done it, I got no access thru Zune to the Marketplace applications (unless I use the registry trick), big point is that I always had access to it until I've installed the update and i'm in Belgium, country where Marketplace is allowed by default (BE). Have to reinstall anyway my work laptop, so I'll see what it gives after if I return back to 7008 than upgrade the all thing the "legal way", than once again do it, but with unlocking first. Will post my results.
[HD7 General] gloves085:
Roll Back to pre-Nodo

I got fed up with waiting for the Nodo update and used the disconnect trick to get updated.

I had not received the HTC Update.

I have now rolled back to pre-nodo and immediately got offered nodo, it also states thta it includes a HTC device update. It's gonna take forever to update as my card's pretty full so I'll come back if I get offered a further update. It seems possbile though that it might be rolled up together in the one update.
[HD7 General] gloves085:
Ok, update finally finished, no apparent colour banding on my HD7.

Firmware: 2250.09.16901.707

Radio: Software: 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U

Radio Hardware: A.102.0.D4

Bootloader: 1.69.2250.0(117833)
[HD7 General] ruyzalim:
What news bring the update?
[HD7 General] adesonic:
Nodo flawless for me on my hd7
[HD7 General] VegaNovus:
Ive used chevron to get NoDo and im having ALOT of trouble getting this update :(
[HD7 General] schAko:
Worked fine on my HD7. Got pre-NoDo via Zune, flashed NoDo with Chevron and got the HTC-Update 2 days later - without any problems.

Well, I flashed via Chevron because o2 Germany was very late with pushing the pre NoDo and NoDo. Now it is available.

I flashed back to 7004 with an o2-Rom from here and got the instant notification of the pre-NoDo afterwards. Currently flashing official NoDo as I'm typing.

I guess it is the best way to go through this process if you have problems with the HTC-update after Chevron.
[HD7 General] bluegreenwhite:
Initially I tried quick wireless disconnect to get NoDo update last March 31 - my phone has color banding.

Last night, reverted back to pre-NoDo 7.0.7008 and immediately got notification for an update - Confirmed no color banding for 7.0.7008

After going through the normal NoDo update again (just single update, no separate HTC update), I got color banding again!

Same FW and HW revisions when i used quick wireless disconnect and normal updating methods:

Model: hd7 t9292 OS Version: 7.0.7390.0

FW rev ver number: 2250.09.16901.728

HW rev num: 0002

Radio SW ver: 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U

radio HW: A.102.0.D4

Bootloader version: 1.69.2250.0(117833)

chip SOC: 2.2.5.0

Color banding can be seen using WP Bench, and some apps' backgrounds like Tech News Now and Messenger By Miyowa
[HD7 General] yiannisthegreek:
Do you get a notification on your phone for this HTC update like you do for official nodo (or other updates) or is it just luck of the drwa, plug into zune to check?
[HD7 General] kc1810:
how can i activate my gprs

Good day I am a new user of HTC HD7 T9292, I stay here in beijing and I try to connect my gprs but I can't connect and I try all the setting is saw at xda-developer world setting. my network is china mobile any one who know how to activate gprs on china mobile network pls kindly get back to me
[HD7 General] yiannisthegreek:
Hi there,

Sorry you are having issues but this is the wrong place for your question. Please search for your answer using the search feature or start a new thread for your question.
[HD7 General] hinds:
I got my HD7 T9292 last week. Via Zune, I immediately got the pre NoDo update followed by the NoDo update. I did not take a screen shot but I am fairly certain that at the bottom of the list of improvements in Zune was "HTC Update".

This leads me to believe that the HTC pushed update that persons who used the Chevron Hack reported receiving, resulted from them not having received it bundled with the official NoDo update as they should have. I suspect that they got nothing extra, they got it late.
[HD7 General] bluegreenwhite:
I believe mine was combined with the NoDo update (there is a sub note of "HTC phone update" after change description for NoDo). Other people got the HTC update seperately, AFTER NoDo. Unfortunately mine was a combined update!:(
[HD7 General] jemaho:
Combined update would explain a lot. Another thing I saw while upgrading 'Legally I would say' to NoDo is that it makes me tend to believe what MSFT said to Chris Walsh. Indeed between his way of updating and the normal Zune way, I see features missing now, like the Sim ID.
[HD7 General] Strike_Eagle:
So, i have updated my Phone (HD7 T9292, Locked, branded) , with No-Do (through Zune, with the trick turn off the internet card) , So, how could i get this one?
[HD7 General] stratax:
Okay so my old hd7 broke and i sent it back last month and finally got it earlier today and it said i had update from feb. i thought that was weird cause that is a old update so i updated and it took like 5 minutes. it is telling me my phone is up to date when its a OLD update >:( i call bs on this.

any help?
[HD7 General] stratax:
nvm i just read the thread about people not recieving it

"http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1015131"
[HD7 General] Loki1973:
Don't know about a combined update.

My Trophy is currently installing the HTC Update (I just plugged it in to sync some photo footage).

I got nodo earlier through the tutorial posted on this GREAT site.
[HD7 General] yiannisthegreek:
So again I ask... Did you or anyone get a popup message on the phone saying that this update was available or did you just happen to plug in your phone to the PC and found that the HTC Update was waiting?

My phone says it is up to date after receiving the NoDo update but I am going to just plug into my PC when I get home for the hell of it and see what it says...
[HD7 General] BlitterTwisted:
I am not being offered this update even when phone plugged into PC and Zune running.

Was on o2 uk, but now running unbranded Euro ROM and then official NoDo update over the top. Unbranded using petbede's method off here.

Currently on:

OS: 7.0.7390.0

Firmware: 2250.09.16901.401

Radio software: 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U

Radio hardware: A.102.0.D4

So according to this thread firmware seems slightly out out of date.
[HD7 General] stratax:
mine is 2250.09.12001.531 no clue which is higher. looks like yours is though

edit: It seems as mine is way behing actually. lol. and thats after my update last night
[HD7 General] matrixcs:
when did this update started rolling? I got no update after the NoDo :/
[HD7 General] CsHeng:
good..but i don't want to update.

i have got MS office update to nodo
[HD7 General] ST13Hogan:
did anyone in germany recieve that update? i didn't get a update notice till now.

(unbranded HD7 - formerly O2_DE)
[HD7 General] aaltayeb:
Does anyone have official word from HTC on what the HD7 new Firmware should be.

I have HD7 unbranded I got the February update in February and NoDo in March, but I didn't get any update from HTC after that.

My Phone Info:

OS Version: 7.0.7390.0

Firmware revision number: 2250.09.16901.401

Hardware revision number: 0002

Radio software version: 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U

Radio hardware version: A.102.0.D4

Bootloader version: 1.69.2250.0(117833)

Chip SOC version: 2.2.5.0
[HD7 General] circleofomega:
Is there a way we can ONLY have the NODO update and NOT the HTC firmware update???
[HD7 General] stratax:
Why do you not want the firmware update? i thought it fixed problems. i cant figure out a way to get the firmware update WITH the NODO. haha
[HD7 General] devinwy83:
The HTC update did supposedly fix some issues. However, it caused color depth to drop from 32 bit to 16 bit, causing serious color banding.
[HD7 General] devinwy83:
There is a fix for dev unlocked devices, however. It involves reg editing, and can be found in the "Nodo without the color banding" thread.
[HD7 General] stratax:
Id rather have a fixed device.. I cant figure out how to get the update though. my firmware is on 12xxx while everyone elses seems to be on 16xxx >:(
[HD7 General] stratax:
Okay so i have emailed HTC about this update and they are acting like they have no clue what it is.. lol. I show a pictures of my firmware and they said my software is up to date when its old firmware.
[HD7 General] unique77:
Need Help... Frustrated

Hello,

If someone could please clarify this for me, I would greatly appreciate it. :)

I have a HTC HD7, t-mobile, U.S.

OS: 7.0.7390.0

Firmware: 2250.09.12001.531

Hardware Revision: 0002

Radio Software: 5.51.09.11a_22.31.50.09U

Radio Hardware: A.12.0.D4

Bootloader: 1.20.2250.0(111584)

Chip soc:2.2.5.0

This phone is locked to t-mobile.... what I'm wondering is if I'm going to eventually receive the HTC firmware update, or if it will ever be available. I'm having the (seemingly Common) problem where the alarm clock freezes the phone occasionally. I've searched all over the forums, trying to accumulate answers to the best I can, and I'm unable to put it all together. Is the update only for people who updated with Chevron updater? Should I be worried the alarm clock is a hardware issue? Is there anyone else who has t-mobile us who has got the update? I've tried resetting the phone ect... alarm clock always experiences misc. bugs. If there's anything I can do, let me know. I love this phone, really don't want to send it back.