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[Epic 4G General] austin420:
whats funny is that were talking about something thats really totally unproven. i just stepped back and thought about the fact that what the ceo says on tv right now really is true. they arent hassling anybody about tethering at this point. ive never met anybody who got a notice about it. for all we know we are safe. this is just us theorizing that all the carriers will band together to ban rooting and tethering when in reality sprint is still turning a blind eye too it and hasnt shown any indication that they will change anything.
[Epic 4G General] siirus09:
Im sure there will be a way around this, if its even true, like everything else. Sprint will try to stop Devs and Devs will find a way around it, Sprint will try again and Devs will succeed again, and so on.
[Epic 4G General] darrinbc:
I just wish that my "SImply Everything" plan that now costs me almost $120/month with data added for this phone was true to it's name. I have been on that plan since it's inception and I got really, really pissed off at one point because I used to have tethering and a few years back that was taken away.

If it doesn't include everything, like the CEO was proud to carry on about when the plan came out, then don't call it Simply Everything. And,for those of us who have had it continuously from when it did actually include everything, please stick to the plan and let us have everything. Don't take anything away. Everything means everything.

Maybe they can rename it the "Mostly Everything" plan for new users. LOL
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
That's just Sprint's excuse to charge everyone with a smartphone. It was only applied to 4g phones at first so it definitely was a 4g charge. They backpedaled when people called foul.
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
Even if everyone on XDA avoided locked down devices it would be a near negligible percentage for most companies, we are probably in the below 5% of the market at the highest.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
Frankly I find $70/month with my company discount to be reasonable for what I'm able to do.
[Epic 4G General] thejamhole:
Honestly when have the carriers been true to their word? Unlimited isn't unlimited, 3g is half what it should be (if you're lucky) 4g isn't anywhere close to what the standard states. I mean the list goes on. At least Verizon gave up on trying to make us use vzwnavigator and let's us use Google maps. Damn that pissed me off on my old xv6900. Anyways, the day they stop crippling our phones with crappy bloatware, and start selling us phones that are worth the ridiculous amount of money they are charging, not to mention how crazy high our "unlimited plans" are. That's the day the majority of us MIGHT think about ending the root and boot era. Then again, how many of us do it just to see what all we can do? Seriously I was so frustrated with my Dx I felt like I wasted all that money. Then I found liberty and it made my phone run like I thought a device with this kind of hardware should run. Thanks devs!

Droid X - Liberty 1.5 | Revolution Remix [ xda premium ] thejamhole.com
[Epic 4G General] daddymikey1975:
the original Nexus S (not the 4G variant that's coming to Sprint) is a phone w/ no bloat, just simply AOSP (like all android devices should be)..

I'm HOPING the Nexus S 4G will be the same thing (but w/ 4G capabilities). .If that's the case, we can 'almost' count on the google phones to be unlocked.. oh wait.. they're putting security **** in the kernel <rolls eyes>

I'll either keep my Epic or might as well get a damn iPhone XD
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
I didn't have the charge when I had my BlackBerry Tour. It started with the Epic...several months before it became smartphone universal. I wouldn't have had the charge added if I had chosen a 3g only Android instead.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
you must be fresh. ;) before they had the simply everything plan (witch has only been around for about 2 years) if you had a blackberry, you had to pay an extra 10 dollars/month for blackberry internet service (bis).
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
Okay but that's BIS. It's extra infrastructure.

Adding $10 for unlimited data on top of unlimited data is just BS.

I wish Sprint had called a spade a spade and said straight up "yes, the $10 is for 4g access, even if you're not in a 4g area" and left well enough alone.

I don't have a problem paying for THAT, but to tell me that my Simply Everything needs a $10 add-on to actually be everything is ridiculous.

I'll tell you who's really getting screwed though: feature and dumb phone users. No way are they getting their money's worth out of a data plan like SE with their device. That's why I sent my sister to Verizon. They may itemize everything but when you have a low end phone and only want the basics, that's the way to go.
[Epic 4G General] A_Flying_Fox:
So why are people afraid to flash the epic to boost mobile or metro?

Wouldn't it b ok?

Not tryna call you out, just curious :D
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
I think it has to do with changing your ESN, which is not allowed
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
When I had a Berry, it wasnt for the BES, or any special RIM network or security, it was just like it is now, liklihood of using more data than the other phones... so anyone with an old winmo or palm have to pay it?? They change it all the time, their rationale for the 10 dollars people complain over was only on the epic and evo because you can definately use more data in less time than say a moment or hero, and I think they just didnt care about the other OSs at the time. Now, all smartphones pay. They are still cheaper than other non-ghetto carriers... the ten dollar charge is the least of your worries, as this thread shows... the real issue is metered data under the guise of unlimited. That and how you use that data.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
It wasn't the operating system. They had Android phones that didn't incur the extra $10 fee. It started out as a 4g fee, plain & simple.

True enough though. I don't mind the 4g fee all that much. I do wish 4g was here though so I could get more oomph every now and then.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
On those systems, dont you have a pay as you go for the data? whats their plans like???
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
OK, youre not understanding that I am talking about BEFORE the EVO was released. They REINSTATED an extra charge based on data use when the EVO came out, but it was nothing new, they had done it before... I think they use it, then drop it, as dropping it can be a marketing boost or some crap like that. But I am specifically not talking about the version that included the EVO and later the EPIC, nor the one now that covers everything but feature phones, but BEFORE that...

The 4g issue came because uninformed Sprint sales reps said it was a 4g charge, maybe so they could remember which phones it applied to (ok, has 4g in the name, add ten dollars). Unfortunately, people felt discriminated against because they could afford to shell out at least 300 dollars for a cell phone, and were looking for any reason they could find to justify paying what they do for their cell phone habit. Yes, that iteration of a charge they have used in the past applied at first to only 4g phones, but since people complained, they decided to CTA and apply it to ALL smartphones... go complain about it in a Hero or Moment or Intercept forum. Like I said, this charge is the least of our worries, and you agreed to pay for it, they were very upfront about it... worry about the things that they will say for marketing purposes, but not deliver in the fine print... such as unlimited data.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
No I get you. Prices always go up.

I'm saying that the EVO triggered this charge but not because of Android because they already had Android.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
No it really was a 4g charge. Don't idolize Sprint...they were pulling a fast one, then cleverly pulled an even faster one.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
yeah im guessing its because the evo had decent video capabilities, and thats what they marketed it as, so its implied that youre streaming movies all day. It is redundant to 'Unlimited data', dont get me wrong... im just sayin its nothing new, and really has nothing to do with the 4g radio. I dont get 4g where I live, and I use way more data than I did on the moment, and waaaaaaaay more than on my blackberrys... the real ***** is that most of my data is done over wifi... so I really dont need unlimited, but I like to get what I am sold. Id switch to VZ, but I havent found a way to make the bill substantially lower than Sprint... this is why if they implement this big brother metered data crap, I will get a flip phone and an asus tablet.

I dont idolize sprint... in fact in my ridiculously long rant I think I made it clear... I actually asked 'what if I dont get 4g at my house, do I still have to pay?' and the sales rep said 'yes, its more specifically a charge for higher data traffic, the 4g radio makes it just that much easier...' And hes right, I would never have spent this much data traffic on a berry if it had a 4g radio... its just more feasible to play decent games, watch videos, surf the net, on a 4" screen and with decent hardware... and yes, it does have to do with early adopters pay for R&D, etc... Look at the world of high end AV Home Theater... would you have paid 30k for one of the first 65" plasmas in the country??? Happens all the time... 5k for a BluRay player... when people *****ed about the 600 bux for a PS3... the early adopters always pay more... Sprint is just telling average people they can afford it when they cant, all wireless companies are... the people who can really afford to get taxed for early adopter brag about how much they pay for electronics, they dont complain...

OK, in case anyone cares to get back OT, im done with the '4g charge' argument, search general and you will find hundreds of pages of the same crap... its old news... ill gladly pay it if I DONT have to deal with the issues raised in the OP.
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Not to mention the evo came with eclair pre installed like the epic. So how come the hero and moment that where on eclair didn't get this charge. There was no changer in data except 4g
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
Yep. 4g tax, no question.

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If your blood flows yellow, cool. Mine doesn't. I'm just a customer. ;)
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Exactly. Considering I used both my hero and moment as much as I do my evo and epic.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
OK mystery, can you honestly say you used the same amount of data on those phones as on an Epic or Evo?? I really think they were just planning on expanding it to this generation of phones, starting with the EVO, but since so many complained, they said fine, everyone who can see a real webpage pays. Has anyone seen anything printed saying it was a charge for the 4g radio??? like I said, it was all uninformed Sprint reps trying to put A and B together, and not reading their own policies.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
I can honestly say youre in the vast minority re use of the Hero or Moment vs the EVO or Epic... those things were still clunky and slow... Devs def. made the most out of them, but NORMAL non xda users use way more data on the newer phones than the older ones... aside from capabilites, theres waaay more apps that have constant syncs, social networking crap, etc...
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
I use anywhere in the 3gb range on all 4 phones. My girl uses 2gb on her blackberry
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
not a 4g tax.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
Not anymore.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
And why are we *****ing about it, anyway? It's still cheaper than other providers, while being truly unlimited, and it's stupid-easy to get a discount.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
It's good exercise.

And that's exactly why they knew they could get away with it, and why I pretty much rolled over on it.

I'd probably be on a better carrier if it weren't for the true unlimited and easy discount. The price would be roughly the same so I'd only have to curb usage...theoretically.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
truly unlimited UNLESS it is from tethering.... and isnt there technically a data cap, most people just dont reach it? Well whatever, the OP was about monitoring your phone to see if youre rooted, and then shutting your phone out of service... thats the 2012 theory of this thread... the 10 bux was just a sidetrack... I can see using your phone as a hotspot for however many devices as being a bit abusive, 5 PCs or game machines plus your phone is pushing it... but tethering one PC to your phone, really with the usage of our phones, its about the same for most people. Most are not tethering to play Battlefield all day long....
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
No. It is truly unlimited.
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
Back on topic, the root exploit that all android phones use is a very simple bug in the adb daemon that runs on the phone. It could be easily fixed (and closed) at any time.

The fact that it hasn't, and we're now at the 7th in terms of releases by Google says to me that this "back door" has been deliberately left open for quite some time. I have no doubt the carriers have been agitating to have this slammed shut for quite a while, and we have Google to thank for giving them the finger and deliberately keeping it open.

I do believe the days on this particular exploit are numbered, however, and it will be closed soon in a future release (Ice cream? ).

Sent from my mind using telepathitalk
[Epic 4G General] richse:
Just FYI, the current adb exploit is not the only exploit that has been used. It gained popularity when some of the older exploits got patched. I most certainly did not use the adb exploit to root my Heroc.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
System limits aside, but one can argue if they keep with this and upgrade the system we won in the end. Unlimited with the system limit being medium level of maximum "4g" is just a slightly discounted version of all the rest. If they up the system will they turn into everyone else? That's where e see if this CEO is full of it as far as customer experience goes.
[Epic 4G General] ungovernable1977:
So is there not a speed cap (not amount) you use that is 'corrected'?? Was sure I read something about it. What I meant about unlimited, or even better 'Simply Everything' is that it would seem that they are discriminating by WHAT data you are passing, whether phone or tethered, the differentiation in that regard is what bothers me. I was under the impression that there was some absurd limit, that people rarely reached, then they would ask wtf you are doing to use that much... maybe I misread.

Sprint is still cheaper than everyone else, at least for the plan I need currently, but yeah, if they really try to clamp down on rooting industry wide, especially cutting service, well, I will find new electronics to mess with. My CRT projector is sadly neglected....
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
That's the Throttle service built into Android. Its removal benefits are a little dubious - you may or may not see a speed increase - but on other networks, it does benefit, so I chopped it out anyway.
[Epic 4G General] abduljaffar:
Hey konane, interresting read. Do you not feel like your carrier already know that we are rooted? Ive been feeling that way for a while know. But really what made me suspicious was when a ppcgeeks (earlier Feb. 2010member said he called Sprint tech support for terrible battery performance. And the CS tech said "maybe its the Juice Defender program you installed?".

Lol. The guy asked if anyone knows if sprint knows everything u download.

Ever since I have worn a tin foil hat.

Hot sand! So hot! Why? Camels! Everywhere! Water... Wateeeeeeeer!

(yes... Currently hunted down by PPCG mods,admins,super admins and the relentless hordes of trolls!
[Epic 4G General] T-980:
I like keeping my stuff private, whether it's downloading Angry Birds or rooting your device. That's fine that Sprint monitors my data usage but...not so much in detail that they know exactly what I'm using it for. I'm greatful that I learned about the whole CIQ program and that the rom I am on has ripped it right out, thus freeing my phone away from Sprints greedy fingers (lol). If I'm using over 50GB's a month of data then yes, figure out what the hell I'm doing so you can cut me off. If not, stay out of my stuff.

I love this phone, I really do, but the network is horrible in my area. Plus, I'm also going for a job at the Verizon store in town and I'm not ready to say good bye to my phone quite yet. They don't have an Epic-Like phone, only the Thunderbolt :(
[Epic 4G General] abduljaffar:
Yup. Same here. Id love to know what else they know.

Hot sand! So hot! Why? Camels! Everywhere! Water... Wateeeeeeeer!

(yes... Currently hunted down by PPCG mods,admins,super admins and the relentless hordes of trolls![/QUOTE]
[EVO 4G General] fierceeagle2003:
If u havent tried it, go get it! The best. Grab it in the market for free.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Go sms pro is pretty phat too.
[EVO 4G General] awesomeindeed:
I think it's hands down the best launcher out there. The Honeycomb theme is awesome with it.
[EVO 4G General] derekfaircloth:
Very nice!

Sent from my MIUI powered Evo
[EVO 4G General] totalanonymity:
I loved the launcher, but ended up trying out others for a second time when they were already bundled with ROMs. Also, as far as I know, GO Launcher EX doesn't allow for higher grid settings on homescreens, which is absolutely essential to my current setup. If this has changed, I will surely go back, as I loved how smooth it was and how much customization there was elsewhere in it!

Also, I second GO SMS Pro (was just GO SMS, just added features in Pro, like the long-awaited, at least for me, support to check drafts! and is still free).

They update a lot, and not in a bad way. They're usually adding more and more features. Ever since I found out about the GO Dev Team when actually looking to use Handcent or Chomp SMS, I've loved 'em.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
I just hate using free launchers cause I have ones I paid for. :-/
[EVO 4G General] SolsticeZero:
That's kind of how I feel, too. :p
[EVO 4G General] kenlperry:
Go Launcher EX is the business. I think so many people are loyal to ADW and Launcher Pro though(why, I can't figure out). I'll bet you that most folks who have tried all three will tell you that Go Launcher EX is superior. The fact that it's free alone sets it apart. And the regular updates are a nice plus too... If you haven't tried it I suggest you do. Then come back here and give an honest opinion of it.
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
I tried it but can't remember what it was that turned me away. I admit, it has been a little bit so I'm sure it's better.

Does it have it's own widgets. gesture swipes, resizable widget option, able to change app icons on your homescreens, ability to choose any dock you want? These are some of the things I love on ADW ex/ LPP.

It may very well have some of these things now, it has been a bit. I'm on a Sense kick right now, but I'll give it another look.
[EVO 4G General] Lpast:
I love go launcher but I need to reload the icons when I come out of the browser our youtube.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I wouldn't go as far as saying go launcher is superior that's a little much eh? Its good but its not great. I've used almost every launcher out there for more than a weeks at a time each and I always come back to adwEX.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I'm interested to see what this complete rewrite of Launcher Pro...whenever it happens:rolleyes:....will bring to the table.
[EVO 4G General] Philosuffer:
They did add that feature.
[EVO 4G General] kenlperry:
The answer is YES to all of your inquiries, execpt for the 1st one(it's own widgets).. Atleast, I dont think it has it's own widgets, but it has so many add-ons, so there might be one. But YES, it has gesture swipes, you can resize the widgets, app icons can be changed on the desktop and in the dock, you can change your dock, the dock is scrollable and supports up to 15 apps, etc...
[EVO 4G General] kenlperry:
The main reason I called it superior is because it's FREE.. and the other two that are comparable are not(ADW EX and LP+). Of course once you put price aside, the opinions are gonna vary as to which launcher is better. To me the 3 are very comparable though.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Same here. I'm a LP user 100% of the way. ADW has a lot of flash but poorly designed, Go Launcher is actually okay but performance isn't all that great. LP is very well designed and very fast. Can't wait for the rewrite.
[EVO 4G General] snowboarda42:
Yeah I'd hate to not use ADW EX simply because I paid like $3 for it
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Only thing that's pissing me off is adwEX hasn't been updated since beginning of January. I hope anderwebs is cooking up some hot features, buts I've purchased adwex, launcher pro plus, and launcher 7. I like to switch back and forth. Go launcher being free simply doesn't make it superior; what's 3 bucks when you can buy 2 launchers for the price of one Burger king combo lol. I bought them to try them all and go launcher simply isn't that impressive. You need to try some paid launchers man I bet you won't find yourself saying that anymore.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
They added the feature but the max is 5x5, combine that with the fact it does not support shuttered dpi and I have to say LPP is still my favorite.

It's cool and neat but far from owning the competition at this point.
[EVO 4G General] thanatos_evo:
I have Launcher Pro plus, ADW Ex. I've always liked ADW Ex better because -

- lockable screens. Can't tell you how many times I've accidentally moved stuff or even dropped and deleted (or had a friend do that while looking at my phone)

- performance especially with the homescreen transitions

- easily edit and resize icons/shortcuts

- I have Pure calendar and Beautiful weather widgets, so I don't really miss LP widgets.

- got tired of waiting for the "re-write" (not a criticism - I just itch for new stuff)

Go Launcher

Pros

- Matches everything ADW Ex does

- Unread Notifications even on the dock (not on ADW, even with notifier)

- Much easier to manipulate entire screens

- discovered go sms - it's gorgeous!

Cons

- Haven't seen a "lock" feature yet. Need to explore.

- Performance doesn't have the same "snap" to it as ADW Ex, but I need to explore and tweak that a little more

Pretty pleased with Go Launcher Ex so far, I'll use it for a while and check.
[EVO 4G General] thegregbradley:
Never personally had a problem with needing a lockable screen, I don't think i've even so much as moved a widget/shortcut on accident. But to each his own!

I find that LP is the smoothest free thing out there. I tried ADW-EX for a second and found that LP's dock swipe shortcuts are ESSENTIAL to me! Also, I dunno if it's just because I am used to LPs menus, but I found that ADW's menus are harder to navigate settings on (probably just me). I don't like the extra click, i.e. hitting preferences THEN hitting ADW settings. Just seems poorly designed. Maybe just slightly poorer than LP, but still... I really can't see a reason to use ADW over LP.

Having said that, an on topic reply: GO launcher is pretty promising, but it's not quite there yet. Needs to be smoothed out over the coming months, but I absolutely LOVE GoSMS. Blows Handcent and ChompSMS out of the water in terms of clean UI, speed, and customization.

Seriously, give GoSMS Pro (it's free) a try, I can almost guarantee you won't go back to whatever you were using before :)