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[XPERIA X10 General] iggy:
OK, read the thread and understand it is not possible unless using a flashtool, any flashtools that work on IMAC, damn bootcamp is broken and been trying to fix for days, no luck so far and hate to have to redo the whole dang thing.
[XPERIA X10 General] YR1J89:
Hi guys! One question, i have a X10a, can i put it a X10i baseband? Because in development forum baseband 67 is only available for X10i-

Cheers.
[XPERIA X10 General] sopdogg:
You can put any baseband on any x10.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elixir911911:
Hi all....I just upgraded my phone from an Eris to an incredible. I gave my Eris to my brother to use and he's been having a problem with 3g. Before I have this phone to him, I flashed xtrsense 5.0 to it, which I've used before and know works fine on that device.....after the flash, I used it personally for a few hours and 3g worked fine. I shut the phone off and activated my incredible. When he received the phone yesterday, be turned it on and there was no 3g symbol in the status bar. If he goes into the settings, 3g is checked and is frayed out and says turning on. He activated the data package on the line yesterday, but by today he still has no data connection. This means no market downloads. He is no to Android and doesn't know much about root and I'm trying to give him guidance. I talked him through a Rom flash and it didn't fix the problem. I'm currently having him download a Rom that flashes the radio and I will walk him through that process to see if it helps. I could definitely use some suggestions as to what you guys think could solve this problem. At first I thought it was on the network end but now idk. And as a side note he still has service and can make phone calls and send and receive texts, just no data. Any help greatly appreciated!
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amfetamine:
Maybe Verizon didn't setup his account right?
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elixir911911:
Already contacted Verizon everything is correct on that end
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doogald:
You could try to reactivate with *228 option 1. If that doesn't work, make a Nandroid backup and flash the Flashback21 ROM to bring it back to stock, do a factory reset (which will go through activation again on first boot), see if it then works. If not, bring it to Verizon - it's now completely stock, and should work and Verizon will not deny tech support because it is rooted. When you verify that it is working again, re-root, Nandroid Backup (just in case), Nandroid Restore what you saved from xtrSENSE, and see if it works.

Flashback21v2: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=792026
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elixir911911:
Just flashed flashback (the one that flashes radio as well). Back to stock with no problems but still no 3g?....if he goes to the wireless and network settings, mobile network constantly says turning on and will flash between saying on for a split second and then turning on for a few more seconds
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doogald:
Yep, this sounds like an account problem. Call Verizon, tell them what is happening, they should be able to reset his account. Or go to a store and have them do it.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amfetamine:
Supporting about 2,500 Blackberries; I've heard that so many times from The Big Three, I ignore it for at least the first 2 tiers :-)
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elixir911911:
He's got it back to stock so were just gonna take it to VZW tomorrow
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elixir911911:
Hey just as an update he took it back to Verizon and they fixed it.....didn't go with him so idk what they did but its working now.....let the lesson be learned, if you're technically uninclined its very easy to unrest your phone and make Verizon fix it as long as you bought the phone less than a year ago!
[Off-topic] malybru:
Could someone please explain how I can place a jpeg,doc,gif etc. in the actual text/message box,and not just have it as a thumbnail at the bottom of the post?
[Off-topic] jaszek:
[img]url to image goes here[/img]

Or just press that small picture of a mountian above your text box and paste the link.
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
You need to upload your image(s) to somewhere like imageshack.us or photobucket.com then get the "direct link" to your image.

Then all you do in your post is click the yellow box with a mountain on it and then paste the direct link to your image in the box :)
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
Why do you live in Australia yet you're called "the_scotsman"?

Are you Scottish? Or do you want to be one of us awesome peeps?
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
Believe it or not, people from one country are allowed to move to another ;)

I'm Scottish, but moved to Australia when I was 21...
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
When did this atrocity happen? XD

Fair nuff man. What's Australia like?

Surely less bloody rain...
[Off-topic] Purple Drama Llama:
I wouldn't be surprised if you got banned (or sent to jail) by the end of your conversation with him. Lol :D :eek: :cool:

But don't worry, I'll bail you out ;)
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
Wait whut? Why would I be?

Nice to know someone on XDA would bail me out. Seeing as how Max won't host a simple server ;)
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
It's strange.... If he wanted to live somewhere nicer... Why not move south a bit... Y'know.... Out of Scotland xD hehe :D ;)
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
To Spain perhaps? Skip that anus that is called England and go somewhere remotely decent?
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
XD When he has no money for hospital bills..... We'll be the ones in the awesome country ;) :p haha :D
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
This.

Have you ever been to England though?

1. Middle of the Summer.

2. Cold

3. ****ing wasps.

4. Pishing of rain.

5. Did I mention cold?

6. Accents.

7. I shouted abuse at someone.

8. It was really cold.
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
I'll eat dem humans.

Also - how does that relate at all?
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
XD Yes... Infact.... I live almost in the centre of it :p haha ;)
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
Are you sure? The only good thing about England was never returning (the abuse I handed out) and shotguns.

(Not related to Rauls Moatz.)
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
Hahaha... where'd you go?? :p
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
Southport (Army base named Altcar)

Blackpool

Liverpool
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
That explains it then ;) haha jk.. never been to anyof those :p
[Off-topic] Purple Drama Llama:
How does it not relate? :D
[Off-topic] DanWilson:
XD

Never be anywhere where my cadets are going.

@PDL - How can it relate?
[Off-topic] sakai4eva:
Well, at least it is better than Ma-****in'-lay-stupi'-sia. Here, we call it good weather if it rains or shines, and for stupid reasons too:

1. Sunshine season too long

2. Temperature and humidity gets too hot and too high

3. People start wishing for rain

4. Rainy season starts

5. Too much monsoon rain

6. Peeps stuck at home, weddings and outings get cancelled, certain states flooded

7. Peeps wish it is sunshine season

8. Return to step one, repeat ad nauseum.
[Off-topic] malybru:
Is it a question of "The Grass Is Aways Greener..... "

:rolleyes:
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eddog4DROID:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/04/0...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(droid+life)

This does not sound very good if true. The Fascinate is only a good phone because of the developers. It sounds like Verizon may already know who we are (as in, those who have rooted) and may have evil intent planned.

I can not go back to Stock on this phone. 2.2 w/ voodoo is the way. 2.1 Stock, please say ain't so! (That is if Verizon doesn't choose to deactivate us first). I don't tether so maybe they are only targeting that crowd...

I think I will not upgrade until a phone comes out that doesn't require rooting or ROMing. May have to put up with some bloat, but the new phones don't need to be overclocked, and the Dual Core's (rooted or not) seem to have virtually no lag. Android provides much custom option even without root.

I really hope the Galaxy SII comes to Verizon. I have my doubts.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Advocatus Diaboli:
I'm straight up leaving any carrier that does this. I refuse to let a random company tell me that I cannot do what I want with a device that I bought, especially given the inherent open nature of Android.

-Sent from the future using my time machine
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideopn11:
This is not going to be pretty. Anyone remember Napster? Ticketmaster?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xjestersdeadx:
I don't think there is any confirmed source for this that it is actually happening, just that it could happen along with the locked boot loaders to "protect" users.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imnuts:
This sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen...
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gkirby11:
This was one of the headlines circulating last summer, and it is true. You can read more here.

Clicky

And as far as I know it is still legit to this date. So there is nothing any company can really do once the device is paid for. Now I don't know if this pertains to subsidized phones or corporate phones.

I would assume that doing this would be a HUGE violation by verizon and any carrier who participates. It is law that we are able to do what we want with our devices....for now.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skrazz:
Didn't they do this exact thing with the Moto Droid 1?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1020494
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ezas:
Sounds like FUD to me. There is very little financial incentive for VZW to do this. Track yes, but do anything about, no.

VZW would quickly find that it's better to sell a unit for whatever reason than to lose a sale to another carrier/phone. (AOSP?)

Look at other embedded devices.

Linksys found it's better to just live with allowing 3rd party firmware than to fight it. They continue to offer a 'full' linux version of the WRT54G routers. Newegg even promotes it as being compatible with DD-WRT.

Since getting my android I don't keep up with media players but as far as I know, no providers are blocking RockBox. This is from 2006 but I still think shows how some companies embrace the value of 3rd party firmware:

"CNET reports that SanDisk is courting open source developers to port Rockbox to its popular MP3 players. SanDisk is currently the world's second most popular MP3 player manufacturer after Apple. Rockbox is an open source OS for most major MP3 players".

Carriers mostly get your money up front (and in your monthly usage bill). Not much financial incentive to stop how you use your phone. Ask yourself this. Why does VZW allow Google Maps if they offer VZ Navigator? Simple they sell more phones by including Google Maps than by 'forcing' you to use VZ Navigator.

Just my 0.02
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kaze105:
Yeesh, I payed for the phone, and am paying for the data plan and all those other crappy fees. They better at least let me do what I want with the phone itself.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phatmhat:
need to read this. from the guys at blackhat.

http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013

if they shut off our service it will be legal. itll be in contracts. if you dont like them and wont sign them then you wont get service or whatever.

ugh.

what makes me mad is that devs and companies leak roms etc to us on purpose so we can test them better than they could in-house. pretty cheap testing if you ask me. then then fix things and release the offical updates.

just go after the bandwidth and warranty abusers.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisDDD:
I will not purchase another smart phone if this all comes to pass. I left the iPhone because of the draconian control the corporation exerted over *my* device, if Android goes the same way, I'll leave them too. I'd sooner drop back to a no-frills cell phone than to put up with a locked down and bloated to **** smartphone.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lucas.scott:
hasnt this battle already been won?? i mean with the Geohot situation last July that resulted in "jailbreaking" or modifying any mobile device being made legal? i dont think there is really anything they can do even if they do track us down and see who is rooted . mobile devices are safe im pretty sure . and hell , if Geohot comes through on this ps3 situation , gaming consoles will be too .

i suppose like the article says , they could deny us data ...maybe . but im pretty sure the law that was passed ... making it legal , would deny them the ability to punish us for doing something thats legal ..

i dunno , will be interesting to see how it plays out . if it does happen ... someone , somewhere , will find a way around it .
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deaffob:
iPhone's jailbreaking was never illegal even before the reassuring news press event. This has been covered by many different news.

However, it is the company's decision to go with whatever policy they want. Apple clearly stated that it is your decision to jailbreak your phone, but this will invalidate your warranty.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tbeas:
If Verizon starts cutting off rooted users, I will find a new carrier. They already rip us off with their pricing, but dictating how we use our phones? No way.

It isn't like anything illegal is being done with our phones. I root it to take off the **** that they put on. I rooted it because they won't hand over my 2.2 update. I root it so that I can customize it to my liking. A rooted phone is what Android is supposed to be like, not the crap that Verizon (or even Samsung) feeds us.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sageDieu:
yeah just so you know... it never was illegal. they just confirmed what we already knew.

I was in the ios scene for years before I came here, everybody made a big deal out of that bill but it didn't change anything at all really.

Sent from my MIUI SCH-i500
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisDDD:
Rooting/jailbreaking being legal wouldn't, in any way, stop carriers from deeming it a violation of the terms of service and denying access to the network.

The issue with Geohot was that Apple was trying to get the act of Jailbreaking considered a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and therefore, illegal. The courts concluded it wasn't, but the carriers can still draft any terms of service they like.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neyenlives:
If they do go ahead with this it will be because of the largest data users being the ones most likely to flash a custom kernel that removes data throttling and enables free tethering. If 75% of the people who would be paying for tethering and use the most data aren't paying for the data/services then Verizon would see that as a huge loss of revenue and undue burden on the quality of their network.

Average Joe would view these users the same as P2P torrenting file sharers. Thieves. The term "root" will become synonymous with "bittorrent" even if you don't use it for mischevious practices. Both will be considered bad. You have to realize average Joe doesn't root or even understand it. The number of people who they are targeting is like 3% of Android users but they are probably using 20-30% or better of network resources. Its a win-win for Verizon. They lose relatively few customers and gain back a ton of network resources to sell to average Joe.

Bet your ass if its not already in your Verizon contract that using modified or unauthorized devices on the network being a breech of contract, that it will be added before you renew.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imnuts:
I have no issues with carriers tracking rooted users for the purpose of finding those that are tethering illegally (ie. without the proper data plan). However, if they start shutting off users that have rooted their devices just for the sake of rooting and cleaning them up or improving their functionality, that is over the line and I'm sure carriers such as MetroPCS and Cricket would love to see a nice new crowd of users come their way.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neyenlives:
The bad part is, Verizon won't miss us. We are tiny. They stand to gain far more than they will lose.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmlhodge:
One solution if they are tracking who took their ota update would be to odin to stock, receive update then just odin/flash back to super clean or whatever you use
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eddog4DROID:
Like I said in the OP, I root to get the most out of the hardware. And to a lesser extent, remove bloat. With the new hardware coming out, and so many choices, we just need to do a little research and there will be a phone that is perfectly acceptable without root. The Fascinate is not that phone obviously.

As far as bloat, I hate it, but... just keep it in the app drawer. Android presents plenty of custom options even before root. So I laugh at those saying they are leaving this platform.

And most of all. Rooting is a disease. I can't wait to stop caring! Must... update... ROM....

> Sent from my Super Clean Fascinate via XDA Premium app <
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eddog4DROID:
If that is their only way of tracking,(blocked OTAs) then why not still root and use apps like titanium or cache cleaners for bloat or maintenance. Just don't ROM.

> Sent from my Super Clean Fascinate via XDA Premium app
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b33zu:
Rooted and Non Rooted Users

I read some where that out of the 100% verizon users. There are 65% of users rooted. Just imagine if all the 65% of rooted users left. Just because the big red is a huge corporation. They would lose all that profit. I would take an older rooted phone over a new unrooted, and locked down phone any day. Another thing to ponder is all the developers on the market that create apps that require root will lose all there profits as well. So not only would you be losing the users that own a rooted phone but the developers that create the awesome rooted apps on the market that make our phone a zillion times better.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FDro:
Those statistics sound ridiculously off, there is no way its that high. Is jesse ventura into cellphones now?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] radeonDEUS:
lol @ FDro

idk im of the opnion that if you buy something, you own it. and that means do whatever you want with it. i wont sign a contract with VZW saying i wont root or support devs. BRING DOWN THE MAN!
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JoeDat:
The ownership discussion aside (see EULAs on every game console you've owned), assuming owners are rooted simply because they haven't accepted an optional update is both ludicrous and risky. My mother won't update simply because she likes her phone the way it is. She's not rooted. If they "ban" users based on this type of statistic, they run the risk of banning stock phones.

I'm not saying they're not tracking rooted users. They probably are. Using an update statistic is most certainly not one of them. But, doing so to ban phones is not in their business interest. As stated many times in this post, most users root to open their phone to customization. For those that are wifi tethering, there are statistics that obviously point to that affect. Those folks should be worried that, regardless of your opinion on the morality of a separate wifi tethering fee, you are getting something for nothing. For the rest of us, I don't think we have anything to worry about.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] piperat:
I just read the op. If you do not accept an ota update the program reads your meid and without the ota the network doesnt reconize your phone. If the network doesnt reconize your phone then you dont get service. Oh well it was only a matter of time when you got guys tethering 15 plus gigs a month. All manufacturers in the new phones will have signed bootloaders this ive read in multiple places. Even the tb has a sb.

Used my fascinating voodoo powers
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JoeDat:
That must be new. I know for a fact that you didn't need to update to maintain service. Surprised I didn't get a panicked call from my mother ;-) Still not worried.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Roblovesbox:
This is what happens when people abuse something. Couldn't people just be happy having a rooted phone and not going all crazy with the tethering. I'm sure there would be a lot less hype about rooted phones if people didn't circumvent the tether monitors.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Musicmaster:
I've tethered a few times. Each time was to send off a few documents I typed on my computer or access the full version of Google Docs.

Probably used 30MB max. Not paying $20/month for that.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadsterflip:
You guys should find this same thread on the thunderbolt section. I can't find the link. But jcase made good points. This is all BS. People that work at Verizon even chuckled at this. Guy at Verizon can only pull prl and software version and radio that's it. No official source or credible source besides he say she say. This is nothing new. Every 6 months or so we get things like this. I myself got worried but then after reading 30 pages which was a waste of my time. Plus why would Verizon offer 1-2 unlockable devices that can probably tether but yet don't offer to stop them? Makes no sense? Even if they monitor kernel tether you can always put a fake monitor or I'm sure devs will come up with something. Community has alot of knowledgeable people. Of there's a will there's a way. Xoom by the way is a lockable and unlockable device which can tether 4g. So like I said its a he say she say. Worst case it could be like that guy saying moto bootloader been crack?not saying his that type of a person but on the other thread no credible sources at al. Anyways if it happens it happens if not then not.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] piperat:
Why not cut the head off the snake before he bites you?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadsterflip:
Misunderstood what he said lol. Sorry. Edit
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadsterflip:
All am saying is if it happens it happens. Not anything we can do about it. Unless Google makes its own phone network and we can all enjoy freedom?

Wish I could find the thread. Its been close by moderator but at the end he said something made me ease my mind about this subject. Not trying to piss or upset anybody. Aight.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] piperat:
That's not the point. The point is that we are begining to be a large community and if we speak up against these kinda things the phone companys will have to hear our voice. I've been posting around a petition for motos signed boot loaders for a little while now. If we bring one down the rest will fall like dominoes.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadsterflip:
Lol sorry been drugged up. Just got out of surgery and everything seems um you know lol. I TOTALLY AGREE. Without us. There would be no Verizon.

We just need to stand together and stop them from pushing us around.

By the way I did sign that petition when I had my x.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crookshanks:
Here's that thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1020531
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadsterflip:
Thank you for that. Maybe it would help some people ease and enjoy the phone and don't get discourage. You know.

We could be like that Spartans. All major carriers keep throwing arrows at us. We can fight in the shade. Lol
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s44:
Looks like a FUD scare by P3 to distract from the fact that he delivered a Gingerbread leak with the tether module still in it.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadsterflip:
Good point.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FDro:
You guys are way too paranoid and try to find conspiracy theories in everything. The carriers will never do what is claimed. They WILL tighten the belt a little with locked bootloaders etc, but they would never terminate service based on rooting alone. Just think about it for a minute, it makes NO sense at all.