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[Xoom General] Vyse666:
The going theory is that, because Motorola piggybacked the SD Card slot onto the SIM slot, they need to wait for proprietary drivers to be ready.

Considering the WiFi-only model also has the SIM slot, I'm guessing there's some truth to this.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
The sdcard slot is just another piece of hardware that can be mounted as storage anywhere. The issue isn't mounting the storage, but where and how to integrate it so that applications can use it. Simply mounting the storage as a folder under the sdcard is frankly confusing to the average user who doesn't even have a file manager.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
And this concerns me a bit re: Asus. If they've performed some hack to get the SD card slot to work (and notice the "if" there), then I'm not sure if they're the route I want to go. If this isn't how Google's planning on implementing SD card storage into Honeycomb going forward (again, "if"), then how will Asus realign with Honeycomb once official support is provided?

And, what else have they hacked to enable support of all their other stuff? How much should I trust Asus to know what they're doing here? How much experience does Asus have with Android to be doing things like this?

All questions that make me reconsider my thinking that I might return my Xoom in favor of the Asus...
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
Xoom has mapped the internal memory as an SDCard so theoretically the Xoom will need to have maping for 2 SDCards.

Could this have anything to do with the problem?
[Xoom General] Kcarpenter:
This.

I've never tried it but I am doubting that you can mount to different devices to the same point, and call them the same thing. Especially since one of them won't always be there - if it was a 'raid' it might be a little different, but I think that would be a weird way of doing things too.....

Too many moving targets.
[Xoom General] dubie76:
close the thread. there are too many threads with people complaining about the lack of update and no sd support. Come on Motorola?

Come on people! Just wait. Relax. Complaining about it, is not going to speed up Motorola at all. BELIEVE ME, Motorola knows the issues at hand.
[Xoom General] MikeyMike01:
Motorola shipped something that doesn't function. The supposed update is nowhere to be found. Until it's out, people have every right to slam Motorola, and they'll deserve every bit of it.

Sent from my Captivate
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
I agree, Motorola is running a business. A business is competitive. If someone solves a problem before you, you lose customers. Sounds like ASUS has done that, and I appreciate the OP for letting us know that.

And as for the person above who recommended closing this thread, why would you do that? It provides new information, not just complaints.
[Xoom General] sigp23940:
Do not think this would be the problem since my Atrix phone has 16gb internal and my 8gb card in the sd card slot. Of course the Atrix calls them both the media area and when you move apps the phone only has the option to move apps to the media area. So of course they all go to the internal memory and not the card. I can manually move things like music and videos to the card but all the apps seem to want to fill up the internal mem first then I guess it will start adding them to the sd card once the internal fills up. They really need to give the app manager the option to move to either locations.
[Xoom General] crauzz:
I think we need a new Topic section under Xoom labeled buyers remorse. These people need a place to complain elsewhere.
[Xoom General] marctronixx:
YOU knew the slot would NOT function. MOTO NEVER stated to the public when it would be. had they said "slot will be enabled march12th" or some such and it didnt, then heck yeah we all have a right to get on the soap box.

however, moto did not put out a release date. if you ever heard of one it was rumor.

yelling, complaining here and opening up multiple threads on the same subject falls on deaf ears at moto. call them up, go to their support forums. this is a technical forum on the gadget, not a place to vent.

you/we ALL knew the flash support, slot and LTE would not be turned on at launch. some of us early adopters went ahead and purchased anyway.. took a gamble that everything would be enabled in two weeks or so. your gamble didn't bear much fruit save the flash support.

you had 30 days (longer at costco) to demo/try the unit until you had to return. you continued to gamble. you lost now you want to complain endlessly about it?

be disappointed at yourself for continunig to gamble. you made a poor business decision in something you didnt like anymore. you should have weighed your options within the return window.. you didnt. you lose. :o moveon.org ... ;)

no hard feelings chaps.. i want all of yous guys to be happy. just submitting my point of view.. :D
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
Does this mean that the fact the XOOM currently advertised in the UK showing off all its specs (including microSD support) will actually have a working SD card when I get it next week?

Because if not, it sure as hell is Motorola's fault. Sure I know there are non-working SD slots cause I read XDA but non of the adverts for the UK XOOM mention anywhere that it won't work.

We'll see just how pissed we need to be with them next week when we finally get our hands on these.
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
I'm not sure that its good business policy on the part of Motorola to make customers GAMBLE when they purchase their products.

And a majority of us are STILL within our return window. So if what you say about our waiting too long and losing our gamble is true, then are you advocating a mass return by everyone who is still unhappy, otherwise we wil be guilty of having made in your words: "a poor business decision"?

Personally I love my XOOM and have no intention of returning it. Guess I won my gamble and made a good business decision!
[Xoom General] tutech:
ASUS just released their Transformer kernel source. It could surely clue the Xoom kernel developers in as to what ASUS has done to make this work for that device. If there are proprietary drivers involved to get it working on the Xoom due to hardware differences, then that's another story.

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=gHh4q7I8dvWJzhdV
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
I have a feeling that Moto intends to implement it differently on the XOOM, which is why theyre waiting on it. I think they want to take advantage of the SD as real storage instead of just external. I may be mistaken though.
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
but it falls on live ears of the consumer. this allows those that still have refunds enabled to now make a decision to return the device. and it let's future buyers be even more wary about buying a xoom. a month and a half after release and still no update. do you really think that's reasonable.

now we know it's not google holding back sd card functionality.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
I'm an ass and ill say it. This thread is useless. Only moto can solve it. Its not a problem because they stated this waaaay before anyone bought it and it will come in a software upgrade when they please whether it be with the 4G update or later. Threads like this are completely useless. Go buy a ****ing Asus then and see how often those Google updates come rolling. It sounds like mofo's just want to complain about something always. Damn 32gbs isn't good enough for you then wait till Motorola says they're shipping xoom's with that functionality. What good is Asus making there **** work if we can't begin to use it in ours? If the op wants to complain then I will do the samething in his thread. This is something moto knows we want and this thread isn't helping in the least. Keeping it 100
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
it has use for the consumer. as you stated it was announce waaaay back. waaaay back is along time with no fix. is this the kind of support you want?

sorry you're so butt hurt that every one doesnt praise your new toy like you do.
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
Maybe it'll come this week the the Euro XOOMs?

EDIT: What I mean is, maybe the Euro XOOMs will have working SD?
[Xoom General] gogol:
The problem that I see ... This missing SD card is already more than 1 and a half month.

And there is no official news from Motorola about the progress nor "when" we can expect this functionality will be released.

How many more months do Xoom owners must wait? without any news ...

Talking about how bad Motorola support is with this ... really bad I would say.

They seems don't care.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Actually that's the exact support I want. Truth from the beginning. It was announced way back that it wouldn't have support. The device has only been out a little over a month and you expect this update, I'm not butt hurt I'm amazed by your stupidity. As well as the Asus people did not implement this the way Google or Motorola intended. Another honeycomb device is being released next week also and they as well have to wait for a future update to allow SD card. Now its the companies that make you wait a year for an upgrade like Samsung that you would be angry with but when Google decides how to do this it will come out in a software update. In short if you thought you would have the SD slot in 1 month and 2 weeks from launch you're not to bright. Have a nice day complaining on deaf ears, with that kind of thinking I doubt you're to busy doing anything important.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
The other honeycomb device. This is why most devices (HTC, Samsung, and LG) are coming out summertime because they want that support. Wait till the summer to buy your device and stfu. Until then let everyone who can read enjoy theirs

http://tinyurl.com/3zhp87k
[Xoom General] gogol:
Any

official

statement

from Google

that Xoom missing Micro SD card functionality is indeed an issue with current Android Honeycomb?
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
thanks for the link... gonna be an exciting year for android tablet users!

damn, I'm gonna need a second job.

so how does this sd card moun? I've seen no standard.

sd_card/ext_sd_card

sd_card/sd_card

internal as emmc

with apps looking to put data on /sd_card mounting the internal memory as another mount point would make it useless to some apps.

and having a working sd card at launch is I'd have expected which makes me a bit brighter than you. being able to accept the fact and wait for a feature you may need makes you a sucker, esp if other options work.

btw I see what you're trying to do, turn this into a *****ing thread to get it closed sooo.... ignore.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
The only official statement you need is that when you walked up to the counter to buy your device Motorola said your SD card slot and 4G do not work. Any threads complaining about that is useless. Only threads sparking discussion of enabling it are useful. Now you go do the research as to why all honeycomb devices don't work with honeycomb except the hack that Asus did because quite frankly that's a waste of time
[Xoom General] p-slim:
I'm not saying don't try to fix it yourself, I'm saying don't create a *****fest for something WELL known even before your product was released, that we all know moto is working on the problem unlong with all the other companies
[Xoom General] Burgers:
From what i read, Koush is holding off on the clockwork custom recovery for the Xoom until the SD card slot is functioning. So not having a working SD card slot is holding up all the dev work for custom ROMs and such. This is really the only reason that not having the SD card functioning is a downside to me.

Source: http://techie-buzz.com/gadgets-news/motorola-xoom-root-custom-recovery.html
[Xoom General] gogol:
So, there is no official statement from Google?

Only from Motorola?

Thus, you cannot say Asus "hack" the Honeycomb as you have no proof.

Just saying.

About other devices, are they released? One without SD card does not mean that it has problem with Honeycomb. There are Android phones without SD card too! :)
[Xoom General] p-slim:
I understand guys, trust me I want the SD card slot also, we should ask the devs to see what asus did, maybe somebody will be able to get something going because I honestly dont expect our upgrade till the summertime
[Xoom General] gogol:
Just an idea ...

Submit this story to big blogs like Engadget.com ... :)

See, if they will pick up the story and give Motorola more pressure.

Worth to try ... if you have some free time and writing skills (I don't!).
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Which android phones have an SD card slot that's unusable? This is the first device to my knowledge with a slot that's unusable
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
The problem I have with all this is knowing "if" and not "when" we'll get the major updates we need.

The problem with the whole system of consumer electronics / software these days is that companies can take your money with incomplete products and no legal obligations to actually fix that at any point in the future.

Look at what happens with console games these days, released unfinished, patched on release due to major problems.

As consumers we are allowing this to go too far by letting companies push their unfinished products on us.

In day to day life it annoys me more and more as it happens more and more often.

I'm in the field and we certainly don't release products that are incomplete.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
The reason they did this is to give us choice. They had the option to wait till summer like everyone else but lack of 4G and SD card don't actually hinder the Google tablet experience. if you're trying to flash roms and that's why you're buying a tablet then you should wait, if 32gbs is enough for you (Motorola is banking it is) then you can buy the tablet now. Remember most people don't root and flash roms so I understand their point, tab is fully functional without it. Honestly I want 4G more because that's something that I can see benefiting more people then by just adding more storage space.
[Xoom General] Santoro:
Hey complainers -

If SD functionality was so critical to you right now, you wouldn't have bought a Xoom in the first place. Motorlola was up front with you. There were no assurance as to the timing of the SD update, and you took a gamble by buying a Xoom. The choice was yours. Stop whining. :mad:

I want SD as much as the next guy so I can do nandroid, etc. But I can wait, and so probably can you.
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
Quite honestly I'm not bothered about the MicroSD slot, heck I'd buy it without the slot, 32GB is enough to get me through a day or two before I have to connect it to a PC to sideload more stuff, no big deal.

My major concern is the state of the OS. These problems seem to be co-dependent and I have read nothing but problems with it.

Forgive my lack of enthusiasm but considering I have been waiting for this thing for sooooo long, and now Carphone Warehouse has my £600GBP along with an apology that i'm not going to get it for atleast another week, coupled with the fact that the more I read about it in anticipation of it finally arriving the more negativity and problems I see, I think it's wholly understandable for me to be a little upset. :(

I'm just anxious to get my nice new shiny toy :D
[Xoom General] gogol:
None.

But my point is that you implied all other Honeycomb devices don't have microSD slot because issue with Android Honeycomb (current). And/or all those Honeycomb devices that have microSD will have this feature unavailable upon release because issue with Android Honeycomb. Or simply saying Samsung delay release their product because Samsung is waiting microSD support from Android Honeycomb.

And you just cannot proof that.

So in so, all your saying are baseless.

Nothing official

(none from Google mouth) and you accused Asus "hack" Android Honeycomb bla bla bla ...

I think people complaint about Xoom missing MicrosSD card functionality is just about "support" and "care" for their customers ... which is lacking.

That's all
[Xoom General] p-slim:
You're right, another honeycomb device coming out 2 months after the Xoom with NO SD slot support at launch but for a later date, also shows Motorola's lack of compassion. I'm sorry I can't argue this point with you anymore
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
You do realize that NOT EVERY customer who purchases a Xoom will do extensive research. They will not read XDA, Android Forums etc. etc. I have had mine while out and about and have been complimented many times (by normal everyday people) who could like my device and go buy one from our encounter. How the HELL are they going to know about the Micro SDCard Slot issue (I did not tell them). As far as they know (as well as Staples, BestBuy, Amazon etc. etc) the Xoom is fully functional.

The box does NOT say (Micro SD will work with future update anywhere on it). You only find out when you pull the plastic Micro protector out and read it. Since I bought the WiFi unit I have plenty of time to take it back (which I may do for the Asus or HTC Flyer).

To all the guys saying "Just take it back or STFU", you do realize that if the majority of the disgruntled owners take it back and there's a mass return, Moto & Google could just cut their losses and move on.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Foolish statement. If you don't do research on a 6-800 device you're a moron. 2nd how would you know if an SD card slot is even there and why would you expect one, the box also doesn't say anything about working SD slot, I'm looking right at it. So with no research and no box you wouldn't even expect a slot because the iPad doesn't have one. If you pull the tab it says sim card slot, so you wouldn't even expect SD card slot
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
here's one very stupid reason why I want the sd card working asap... I don't want to envy another tablet or I'd have to buy it too!

I've actually taken my xoom back to staples and was planning on getting it on new egg. 12 mo no interest and no tax but this ips screen AND working SD slot are swaying me to the eee pad.

they're messing with my addiction!
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
Exactly. IPS Screen, Working SDCard Slot AND saving $200 for the same thing ($100 if you buy the 32gb Transformer). I see many Xoom's going back and Asus selling many Transformers (especially to upset EX-Xoom owners).

Heck, I could get the 16gb Transformer and get a 16gb Class 6 Micro from E-Bay for $35-$50 and come out $150 ahead if I take my Xoom back.
[Xoom General] phonixzero:
CIFS + 2TB NAS = 2.32TB Xoom. I can wait for SD support :D
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
By that thinking I have ~12TB to play with. Unfortunately it's OTG that I need the storage. :(
[Xoom General] MikeyMike01:
You must work for Motorola or something.

Sent from my Captivate
[Xoom General] p-slim:
No where near it, just keeping it real unless this isnt the big kids room. People are putting their own timeframe on things and then think they're right. If they had deceived us in anyway then I would be all for it but when they tell you up front then you start crying, gtfo
[Xoom General] funnycreature:
Wouldn't that be 2.032TB?
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
You're not "Keeping It Real". We have spent good money on this device and at least want to be informed. If they are waiting for summer, then let us know so WE (you know the customers) can make a decision on whether or not WE want to keep the Xoom and wait, or return and get something else (as the majority of WiFi Xoom owners are well within our return time).

I know I don't want to be stuck with a Dead Device. Maybe you do.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
Who says they're waiting? It could be they're working on it and obviously they don't know when it will be done. It will be done when its done. If you're waiting for SD card support don't buy it. Like you said no one advertised SD card support so customers shouldn't be expecting it right away or anytime soon. All they say is SD card support upgradable
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
Like I said, at least give some sort of time frame. An arbitrary "Will be fixed in a future update" is tantamount to saying "We will fix it when we fix it, if you don't like it just STFU".

Well as a paying customer, that is insufficient. If Moto has nothing to say by April 27th, then my Xoom is going back and I will be an owner of a Asus Transformer. The main thing that the Xoom has going for it is that it's Vanilla and a Pure Google Device (No skin at all). Supposedly the Transformer's Asus skin can be bypassed/disabled and you will also have Vanilla HC.

Just because they say "Fix in future update" does not mean that we The Paying Customer can't ask what's the timeline as there are other devices coming and it's part of my decision making on whether to keep or return.
[Xoom General] sookster54:
Thank you, that's exactly what's being said- "microSD fix will come later", if Asus did it, then well I guess Motorola will have to too and I doubt Google will be the one to do it.

There's a reason why I have what I wrote in my sig. :)
[Xoom General] phonixzero:
Yes =( was trying to be fast and stealthy while at work. Will double check posts in the future
[Xoom General] Dandarebr:
The Acer Iconia Tab A 500 also have a WORKING Sdslot.

I Pre ordered my Xoom from Amazon because I was going to US to stay from April 14th to may 2nd and Xoom was the only tablet avaiable. I ordered it from amazon and Its already waiting for me on the hotel front desk.

I will probably return it without open the package. Eee have a better and cheaper product, Acer have a better (very similar, but acer screen is better) and Samsung have a much better product.

Since I will stay in US only until May 2nd I won`t be able to purchase the Samsung Galaxy tab but at lease I will be able to get the Acer for US$ 450. So I`ll have a better producto, with a working SDcard Slot and I will be able to purchase a 30 dolars 16 gb SD card and have just the same amount of memory as the Xoom

The only thing that would make me keep the Xoom would be a full US$ 100 rebate as Apple did in the first Iphone launch. Even than I would be more expensive than the Acer and with a worst screen. Actually Xoom will won the 'worst tablet screen awards' . Every other tablet have, at least IPS .

Does anyone knows if Amazon will charge me the shipping to return the Xoom?

Thanks
[Xoom General] keitht:
If all the new honeycomb tablets release with working microSD card slots and the Xoom still does not work, that is going to be very bad. Someone, Motorola or Google better get their crap together soon. I have a 32GB card sitting here collecting dust and nearly out of space.
[Xoom General] gogol:
How do you know?
[Xoom General] bigrushdog:
Downloading said source now. Guys, I've explained this whole sdcard thing like a dozen times now. IT'S MOTOROLA!!!!!!!!1 NOT GOOGLE!!!!!!!11

ugh:( :( :(
[Xoom General] keitht:
I don't really care who's issue, it needs fixing now.
[Xoom General] SlCKB0Y:
this is no problem at all in linux.
[Xoom General] alias_neo:
Quite right, overlaying filesystems is a reasonably trivial task.

My expectation is that Moto is working on a nice integration, somewhat better than the standard, "lets just mount it in the sdcard folder ".

I'm happy to wait a while for them to do that and do it well.

I'm a developer myself and I know these things don't always come easily.

Sent from my GT-P1000
[Xoom General] Jaywan:
When I went to get this vzw never told me the sdmount was broken... and as a dev I was pissed moto deff f'ed up by releasing something not fully working. But I'm sure for this reason they will refund even after the 2weeks
[Xoom General] p-slim:
No they won't refund after 2 weeks and its not broken. Nowhere does moto or vzw or Google promote this device with working SD slot so why would anyone assume its working? The only word ever on the SD slot is that it will work with an upgrade later on. If you didn't hear that, then you shouldn't even expect an SD card slot because its never advertised
[Xoom General] specmac:
Not True. The specs on the Motorola site original stated it supported MicroDS cards up to 32gig. Two weeks after launch they changed the specs and took down the MicroSD card support spec.

There's a huge thread in the Motorola forums about this with a bunch of irate owners complaining foul.