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[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
My Focus battery life is blowing away my Captivate's, that's a fact.

I couldn't make it a day (sometimes) on my Cappy. I make it a day and then some.

I felt like I always had to leave the Cappy on the charger for as long as possible before leaving in the mornings. I don't have to do that with the Focus. I have plenty of battery at the end of the day. I even used the GPS, mapping/directions today: and still have over 3/4 left.

You can argue they are the same, but real world differs.

As far as what I'm missing from Android after using this about five days now: socks and multitasking. That's it.

I know, WiFi tethering would be very nice. However- even on Android, I didn't use it a whole lot (really just a couple times a year- and it was more a want than a need).

Now, from a hackability standpoint, something the Focus is sorely missing is a stock flash. I'm too timid to try anything with it without ability to return to stock, like I had on my Captivate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Marketing review won't help that much. Yes you can uninstall rogue apps, but which one is that rogue app? They all seem normal.

Sometimes the Engadget app takes 100MB of memory for unknown reason, am I going to uninstall it?

Sometimes the records shows the Email apps is consuming CPU time, am I going to uninstall it?

Sometines the record just says the system keeps the CPU time at 3%, am I going to uninstall SYSTEM?

My Captivate is at it's best state in terms of fluidness now, but still won't make me feel as comfortable as Focus. Since my Focus now does USB tether, I just need to take 1 phone with me now.

Speaking of multitasking. Task switching on Android is ridiculous. Long pressing home only tells you what app you opened recently, but not what app is now running. Sometimes your background app is already terminated by system for memmory, the current data might be lost, but you won't know that until you switch to that task(or open a 3rd party task manager). Also there are problems like app reopen when hitting its icon from launcher.

Just look at all those memory management apps with auto-killers. Do Android users really want multitasking like what you said, or they just want to keep one task and save bettery?:D

Fragmentation is a more of a developer issue. However the fact is, not all developers are great at testing out all situations, then this becomes the users' problem. Just read the reviews, how many apps have complains from specific devices? Isn't this hurting users?

I read a lot you have a vibrant, but so what? Your usage and expectations are different with me. I have been tunning my Captivate since day 1. I did a lot of testing, modifiacation, theming, fixing and OC/UV, these took me considerable amount of time.

WHo cares if WP7 is known for something. Under my usage the battery lasted much longer so it's good for me.

What I said are the problems with my Android experience that sloved by switching to WP7. If thaa's not a big problem for you, it's okay. Just don't say the problem does not exist or it's WP7 not multitasking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Well, first, you cannot terminate a service without root access. You can controll by uninstalling the app that created the service, but at the same time you lose the features of the app. Second, you won't install some essential apps. Third, there are time you don't even know what's drainning battery.

Many of my friends are first time Android users. They don't charge at night. With everything killed, battery drop after the 8hr standby still goes random.
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
Okay folks.........

I think the OP was looking for feedback from those who have switched from one OS to the other, this seems to have turned into another Android does this, WP7 does that kinda thread.

If we could steer it back on topic that would be great ;)

Cheers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
This is a funny thread. You guys take these devices too seriously.

Some of you respond with pure lies against another OS. You would think the Software maker is paying some of you guys.
[Windows Phone 7 General] manlisten:
I'm glad that somebody said it.

They're just phones, people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
N8ter is Android without its problems? Android is the king of functionality. If you cannot get from point A to point B stock you can rest assured you can mod your phone to do it.

But too many people complain about two things in the Android world:

1. Battery life

2. Stability

And on the flip side if you surveyed people on this forum about Windows Phone, I would bet the majority of them would say the OS feels snappy, responsive, and/or fast. I have a friend that played with a WP7 phone and he said the same. He owns an iPhone 4.

So to get to the point of this whole thread:

The average user that goes from Android to Windows Phone will be happy about the feel of the OS. This being said, Windows Phone right now has many drawbacks because it is new and the OS is highly controlled.

Windows Phone is iOS pre iOS. iOS is very successful so that is clearly not a bad thing. Imagine iOS on HTC/Nokia/SE/Samsung/LG. That could be Windows Phone. I think they need to hurry up before iOS 5 makes some UI improvements.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dickturpin1976:
this thread is on fire man !!! would anybody like some popcorn? lol:D windows 7 for me kicks ass. i`m easily pleased tho haha. the UI is the best out there at the moment, you switch your phone on and your treated to a feast of eye candy, live tiles are the way forward in my opinionand he zune like interface is the nuts!. everything feels and looks so slick. had a td2 and hd2 and to be honest like someone said, flashing roms and customizing homescreens and layouts an ****, is just a waste of my precious time. its alls i found myself doing with my spare time lmao. this **** works for me right out the box. its still very early in its existance, and a few years down the line its gonna be a monster i have no doubt.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
What's even funnier, they speak about what's "coming " and in the "future", WP7 will have this, and WP7 will have that. They act as if all other platforms will stop developing and moving forward.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You think IOS wont have hardware accelerated HTML5? You better think again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You are absolutely correct. But you act like if Windows Phone will be stuck in its current state. Like if Android and iOS did not come from humble beginnings. As a developer you should be well aware of how the whole software design, development, testing cycle works. No one comes out with perfect, complete software right off the bat no matter how far ahead the rest of the market is. The objective is to come out with a product that you believe is useable enough and unique enough that you will be able to build on and grab users as you close the gap.

Windows Phone does not have the feature list to stack up to iOS or Android right now. That is pretty obvious and I do not know why any WP7 user tries to debate that. I believe it is equally obvious that WP7 will not be stuck and will also keep developing. Look how long they stuck with WinMo. It is easier to fill known gaps than to create new features.

So in summary:

Windows Phone does not have all the features of Android or iOS.

Windows Phone cannot accomplish all the same things that Android or iOS can.

Windows Phone is new. All the others took time to get where they got.

Windows Phone is different.

Windows Phone has handset choices.

And people will try it for those last 2 reasons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Summing things up for myself,

I ditched WP7 for everyday usage.

Maybe in 2012 it will be really capable. We'll see.

MS has no choice but open things.

That's why they announce less tight hardware requirements.

They need to do this. Nokia will never agree - I think - to produce limited device

but rather ones which are ahead.

For now I enjoy Android. However I didn't plan this purchasing Wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
We'll see, but currently updates to OSes get more and more marginal. I'm sure Apple will make some changes to their multitasking APIs to make things like IM clients work better than they do now. Maybe both Google and Apple will add some music streaming capabilities and such. Social integration. Google will work on better UI, although, judging by 3.0, that's going to be more of the same stuff most likely, and I don't see how they can address third party app look and feel. But beside getting feature parity with WP7 in these areas, they also will spend a lot of time working on irrelevant things like NFC because they see money making opportunities there. Otherwise, both iOS and Android are already mature platforms. Oh, of course Apple can make their next phone work longer, but Google can't control that.

So yes, they will develop, but I don't see anything radically new coming. I may be wrong, of course, but I really don't have any problems or scenarios where modern smartphones can't help already.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
This is a WP7 forum, what else am I to expect. Your bet is correct, but it's a pretty dumb bet in the grand scheme of this "conversation."

Snappy, Responsive, and Fast go out the Window when you hit a functional brick wall.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Microsoft is adding NFC support to WP7. They're basically doing what everyone else is doing. It's just that we have to suffer through basically a Feature Phone stage before this thing becomes largely useful.

Android does need to revamp it's user controls. The ones they have now waste some space and simply do not look that good. Google seems utterly disconcerned with the UI issues, and I could care less as long as Samsung and HTC keep improving their skinning and keep delivering phones with superior social network integration. More Android Apps need to use push notifications, though...
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
I wouldn't call it doing what everyone else is doing, NFC is no doubt coming as per Nokia's Request because of the Nokia Deal.

Nokia have had NFC enabled handsets ages before it became part of any Smartphone OS and have said they wanted all of their 2011 handsets to have NFC (And would have been prevented from doing this IF Mango didn't support NFC).
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
Here we are again :rolleyes:

All too often threads in this section get seriously derailed by people who want to express their views certain issues, mainly;

Lack of updates/update timeframe

Lack of features

Comparisons to another OS

This thread is for users who have switched between the two OS' to share their experience and reasons for doing so, not for people to start slinging insults back and forth or argue about which OS performs better just for the sake of it.

Anything posted here that is not directly related will be deleted and you may find yourself being infracted for repeated instances of irrelevant posting.

Ive lost count of how many times I have politely tried to steer threads back on topic and how many times those requests have been ignored.

You only have to go back one or two pages to see what I mean.

Please think before posting and try to refrain from getting dragged into the all too prevalent petty squabbling surrounding certain issues.

Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
well, I guess you can't call it doing what everyone else is, if they're only promising it in some future update. you're right there. vaporware ?

nfc is old tech, that never caught on in the us. neither did exercise, or free thinking either. it can happen, but not liikely.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Not sure weather I posted my experience in here before or not but still...

I did come from Android to Windows Phone. I had a G1 on launch and then upgraded to a HTC Desire. I then sold my Desire and got a HD7.

IMHO it was a great decision although sometimes I do miss the modding, the several roms to pick though, different UIs etc. However, othertimes I don't miss it, flashing endless amounts of roms to find one that works fine, upgrading roms all the time etc etc.

I'm a little dissapointed as one of the main reasons why I switched was because of the promise of on time updates. I've had to debrand my omnia to get a Nodo update because T-Mobile seem to be holding the update up. However, what is still good is the guarantee that ALL phones WILL get an update instead of having the uncertainty of weather your phone will get updated at all.

Otherwise I don't really miss anything, and I love the games I've picked up. Android had apps, loads of them, but the games left something to be desired. On windows phone I get so many titles that are up to iPhone standard AND I get XBL Achievements.

The OS is fluid and fast aswell. I remember all the iPhone fanboys commenting on how android was slow, I never got it, I thought it was fine. Once I switched to Windows Phone I realised what they were talking about. While Android isn't slow specifically, it's not as fast or fluid as WP (and I assume the iPhone).

Lastly is the longevity, and this could be seen as a disadvantage to some but in my eyes it's an advantage. I've had a Windows phone since launch, at first a HD7, I swapped it for an Omnia 7 because I had to (I broke the HD7). I see no reason to upgrade, absolutely none. This is great, phone contracts are 18-24 months not 3 months long... It seems HTC release a new Android device everyweek I remember back when I had my G1 I wanted to change it for so many devices but couldn't because I was on a contract. I'll upgrade when the next generation of windows phones come out, which will probably be a year after launch this would just be to get menial things, I don't really see that much of a reason to upgrade anymore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You see how you just down played the other OS's updates? Only marginal? You're counting the leaders out and basically saying they can't offer anything new, or change directions.

I think the only people who care about how third party apps look and feel are WP7 users. No one else cares.

Not trying to spark an argument but lets all be realistic. After Mango what do you expect?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Removed own off-topic reply, sorry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
OP here...

Get back on track.

I've seen posts about bickering which processor is better, which one supports SQL, and I haven't even read them all to know what else.

My topic was people that have switched from Android to Windows Phone 7.

If you have not done this- get out of the thread.

Now, to clarify, some level of comparison is unavoidable.

IE, "I've switched to WP 7 and can notice the battery is better" or "I think it's slower", etc...

However the point of this thread was not to nitpick the technical aspects of one or the other.

So please, get back on track. The moderator has told me to request this myself- if it doesn't stop then they'll start pruning the posts back that are off topic.

Thanks, folks. I feel this topic is a great one: people (like me) genuinely interested in switching find it immensely helpful, but what's not helpful is the bickering been going on for pages.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
The thing with me, is that I don't necessarily use all of the applications. I like simple. WP7 is just that. After going through 3 Android phones, all with rooting a customization, I want to switch. I have spent an abnormally amount of time flashing ROM's, kernels, themes, etc., and it makes me feel like I am obsessed with it. In reality, I am not obsessed, I just want a functional/beautiful phone.

I have played with WP7, and I borrowed one to see if I would like it, and I LOVED it. Everything right on the homescreen updating was the best idea anyone could have IMO. I know Android can do the same thing, but it doesn't look nearly as clean (to me), not to mention the battery life is icky on Android. (If you stay stock)

You see many people bickering about the small stuff, but look at it as a whole. And nobody can prove what OS is better, simply because everyone doesn't use the same apps, or the same way you use your phone.

You can, however, compare hardware. (But that makes you look childish) IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
The only things which are WP7 real advantage over Android are:

* Promise of a total ecosystem in the future

* Nokia deal

* OneNote app synced with Hotmail

* Metro concept of the UI

So having both devices and switched previously from Android to WP7 I say currently Android excels WP7 in every other area, every single one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
You missed a "imo" acronym in there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
I think he chose to go for "I say currently...." instead of IMO ;)

Sent from my fingers to your face...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Lmao I thought this was to my post before I got to this. In my mind I was like "HELLLLL NO."

You can't say what OS is better. Or "prove" what is. It has to be true for everybody. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
Where in my OP... Do I mention hardware?

Switching from Android to WP7... A software discussion, not hardware

Everything else you mentioned is fine though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
A general slam against WP7 verses anything helpful to the OP like...

"I went to WP7 and missed these features"...

Maybe I need a general, "WP7 vs Android" thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
My bad, I was talking about previous posts. And how they were comparing processor speeds and what not. Lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
Here you go... WP7 vs Android thread, for those that would like to "discuss" the differences between the two in detail (I started it off generally)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1035270

So go there for discussion on that kind of stuff- leave this one for mostly clueless people, that'd just like to know what to expect from a platform switch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
As stated above, read "currently".

As for choices, besides aestethics/UI feel which is always subjective and individual and can't be seriously compared,

every other area of comparison can be proven and shown on examples.

So it's not only "IMO".

I think OP wants to read what areas are strong points of both OSes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] misc77:
this thread is hilarious and fun to read. :D

Com'on, we all know that Android is more or less a mature mobile OS after Froyo.

MS WP7 is new, very new. I am a great MS supporter, still am. But I like my desserts too, for now I prefer to have the world, get it rooted, spend time to customized and kill all the running tasks and see my RAM increases by a few MB etc. :p

WP7 for simplicity, but only novelty sake for now. Can't really do much. This forum is for techies, even those who said WP7 is good, inside them they know is not (not yet). You, just like me, are MS supporters by faith. Like towards God. Don't worry about others opinions, know yourself, say what you feel but you can still support MS as usual.

I will still go back to MS I'm sure, just like a spoilt child, I left 'home' but with alliance from Nokia, end of this year I might return home for good. Why? Because both companies are giants before Google and Apple. Period.

Anyway, am glad that Windows 7 Desktop is getting rave reviews. I never liked Apple. Ever. Google? I don't mind. Why? Because I love seeing Android beating iOS for leading mobile OS while waiting for WP7 to catch up (if ever, but I do wish).

Alright back to enjoy the debates... please go on. LOL nice. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I'd like to go back to WP7. Being on T-Mobile my choices are a tad limited. Where are the new phones??
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The unfortunate thing is that WP7 is competing with Andorid 2.2+ and iOS 4.3+, not Andorid 0.1.1.9 and iOS 2.1.

You can't even buy new (released in the past 6 months or so) with anything < 2.2 on it. This is what Microsoft has to compete against.

No one considering a new smartphone cares what Android or iOS were like 2 years ago, nor do they care what WP7 will be like in 1-2 years.

They care what that device is like right now, how well it does what it does, and what possible things they can do with the device (use cases can change over time, so getting a limited device can go from a benefit to a huge deficit at times).
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
Now the owner of a DS7 and just ordered a galaxy s 4g for my wife the other night during the free promotion.

Having to delve back into these forums makes me appreciate my hd7 even more.

Don't have to root, don't have to lag fix, install kernels or custom ROMs to get the phone to run smoothly.

Android is doing some good things, but man, it's still Winmo, the next generation....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Thank you, and AMEN.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
Let's be fair a minute. That's not Android...

It's the device manufacturers. This is the single greatest downfall is they have no quality control over the end devices. It's like blaming POS hardware and crappware preinstalled on a Dell, on Microsoft.

That said, Android does have a few issues (like smoothness). But- most of what you list is not Android.

However- all that said: Apple took the OTHER extreme: Only our device, only our software.

Microsoft seems to have found good middle ground here. "You can put it on anything you want, but it must meet these requirements".
[Windows Phone 7 General] notinterested:
What are you going on about?

That IS android. Google made the decision to take the easy route and let the carriers and manufacturers have free reign so whatever the end product ends up like IS android.

What it potentially could be or should be is 100% irrelevant. What the customer gets in their hands is what android is. Its the culmination of a few very bad long term decisions made by google to get some serious short term market share and it worked.

Google dont care if your experience is good all google wants is to put android in the hands of as many people as they possibly can and that meant giving everyone free reign. Now they have a big mess to clean up.

The way Microsoft did it is brilliant and at the rate they are going they will be seriously competing with wp7 probably within a year or two.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jessiethe3rd:
Rightly said
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dj21o:
Dude I don't even own a WP7. But I have had android ever since it came to sprint. I started with the Hero, then the Epic, now the EVO. And I played with WP7 for ehhhh 2 days, fell in love with it. Hopefully the Mazaa goes through, or the port for the EVO. :)
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwshadow:
Warning Noob Question:

So I flashed sc 2.9 nv. Does the sc 2.9v rom include a voo doo kernel or would I flash the kernel then flash the 2.9v rom? Also is this worth my time. Everything seems to run smooth as is. Will voo doo give me any noticable benefits?

Thanks
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheSonicEmerald:
Superclean comes with either a voodoo kernel or a nonvoodoo kernel depending on which one you install. But in reality, its better to flash some of the custom Froyo kernels afterwards for a bit more umph.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwshadow:
What kernel would you recomend
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chefthomas99:
Newest comavolt kernel
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwshadow:
I cant find one thats non touchwiz
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] heffzilla:
Or imnuts' latest I think it's 330, works great for me
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwshadow:
What advantage does that have over the standard eb01 voodoo kernel?
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwshadow:
Well it looks like it doesn't matter because I cant flash them anyway. The only Kernels I can find wont flash using cwm 3. I cannot find an older version of cwm anywhere.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lane32x:
SC should have installed cwm 2.5 at the same Time. The fascinate still use cwm red, not orange.

Also I would install jt's new ec10 based voodoo kernel. Yes it's TW but it's stable and clean.
[Fascinate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwshadow:
What happens if I flash a tw kernel with a rom that isnt?