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[HTC Inspire 4G] moe3754:
I have owned the Desire from Telus, the Desire Z from Bell and the Desire HD AKA Inspire from AT&T and as for the Z it is a good phone with a crappy hinge system, plus the Z is not hard to root but getting S-off and anything else is a pain, unless you are good with the computer command prompt, unless they have come up with something that is easier since then, I got mine when it was first released by bell and very little was out then.

One last thing, they do not hold their value at all, I lost $300.00 from the time I purchased mine to the time I sold it on E-bay which was around three months, so unless you can get it for around $300.00 I would take a pass on it, mine cost me $650.00 from a store in Canada.

Also it will work on Edge if you do not have 3G plus it will work on the HSPA+ Or what ever that bandwidth is called that they call 4G!!!!
[HTC Inspire 4G] SNadler:
Seems to be the same as what I hear from everyone...
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
Just wanted to thankyou all for helping me last week. and to the guy who took the piss, ask for help and I got none. so thankyou to u all, yes thankyou for the £20 charge I got from HTC for for sending my phone back to get it repaired under warranty, then not getting it repaired at all and still having to pay, because they say there was custom ROM on it even though i put a stock ROM on. so thankyou all again tossers
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Stock rom over USB doesn't remove Hspl. That's the only way you could have a stock rom and them still be able to tell.

If you are convinced the spl was correct, then they played you just to see how you reacted.
[HD2 General] orangekid:
no, thank you for searching and reading the plethora of threads on how to remove HSPL and flash a stock ROM on your phone. Don't blame us because you decided not to read, all you would have had to do is take a picture of your bootloader and ask if that looks like stock, someone would have set you straight.

If you go around blaming others for your mistakes then you can never really take responsibility for your own actions and your life will be a cold, grim, sordid affair.

ruminate on it.
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Yes if you did not flash it via SD card then you needed to manually change HSPL back to SPL via the DFT HSPL Utility. Sorry you were miss informed my friend. :(

Edit: Are you 100% sure you flashed the correct stock ROM for your HD2? Also like Orangekid said you can only truly blame yourself as there is a crap load of threads covering this exact subject. Remember information is key, and Knowledge is power.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
i removed HSPL 2.08 and put on SPL 2.08. i put on a stock WWE rom but they said that the phoen was branded to Virgin, but I know that the phone accepted any sim card

I used HSPL 3 to remove hspl and put spl on
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
In that case you chose the wrong spl in Hspl.exe

Mines been back to service twice, both times flashed USB then Hspl.exe to remove Hspl, but you gotta match spl ver to the rom you load.
[HD2 General] lude219:
Well, do you know which SPL comes with the Virgin branded phone? You can't just downgrade to ANY spl, it has to match with what the carrier was using at the time.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
anyways i think I am going to get rid of the phone when i get it back and just get a phone with android. the phone battery life is just crap, thinking of gettin the samsung galaxy apollo if I can find somewhere to get in unlocked
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
the thing is i thought that the spl could be upgraded anyway with newer ROMs that came out
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Spl 2.x are stock for tmous phones only. Also, the phone being network unlocked means nothing, mines unlocked but a wwe rom would be unauthorized because the phone is branded, so only o2 roms will be valid.

For others reading this when you get told "flash stock rom", the safest way is use only the rom the HTC website lets you grab using your serial.

If you plan to remove Hspl using Hspl.exe, match versions, rom 1.4 spl 1.42.0000 rom 1.6 1.7 spl 1.66.0000 rom 3.14 spl 3.03.0000

There are NO regular hd2s with spl 2.x
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Yes this is true this is why I thionk it is best for people to go back to stock by just flashing via SD card as not only does it revert everything, but not everyone knows what SPL version the need for their HD2. Also you have to remember if you have to revert back to SPL 3.10.0000 you have to use the SD card method has SPL 3.10.0000 is not included in HSPL 4. ;)
[HD2 General] lude219:
Live and let learn. I don't think 2days worth of usage on 1 charge is crap, but hey, i know it's tough reading hundreds of threads dating back 2yrs ago. Hope you'll enjoy your samsung apollo.
[HD2 General] lude219:
I still have the stock Telstra ROM just in case. SPL 1.42 haha i still remember.:p
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
I dont even get a days usage out of the phone battery lol. i only like android, win mo is a load of crap
[HD2 General] lude219:
I get the same out of both winmo and android. Then again, both my custom roms on winmo and android are very bareboned. They're stripped of apps that I dont use, even google apps.
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
I personally still think it is better to revert back to stock via SD card as far as for warranty proposes. Cause not only does it revert everything at one time. But most people have no clue as to what the right SPL version they need is. Also HSPL does not have SPL 3.10.0000 in it so flashing via SD card is the only way to get it nack as of right now.

Edit: Sorry for the double post but as so many people were posting in this thread I thought my first post did not get through asa I did not see it at first LOL Sorry again.
[HD2 General] orangekid:
That's fine but if you root the phone and flash a recovery, bootloader, splash screen, custom ROM, and/or kernel you better read up on how to return it to stock if you send it in to Samsung on warranty :)

also fyi I get a full day of action on my CM7 build running off SD and same with my WP7 running off NAND, your poor battery may have come from you radio, your kernel, your sd card (if you were running an SD build), your ROM, your cpu scaling settings, and/or your general usage, so I wouldn't blanket "poor battery usage" on the phone itself.
[HD2 General] TheATHEiST:
I have absolutely no sympathy for you.

This is a perfect example of somebody who doesn't do enough research and expects all the correct answers to be given to him.

If you had used common sense and done a bit of research you could have EASILY reverted to proper stock for you warranty to pass, there is no excuse as there is plenty of info available to you here.

You couldn't be bothered so its your own fault nobody elses.

Cry to mom, she may get you a Nokia 3310, which would be a much more suitable phone.

My battery life is excellent. 2-4mA on standby.

Its a common misconception that battery life is bad in general which it simply is not. I grant you that there is a few custom roms with bugs that cause high battery useage but they are in the minority.

Aslong as you do a clean install (task29 etc) and flash a good rom you are fine.

Again, you just haven't done enough research.

PS. If you think going to a native Android device will give you alot more battery life you are mistaken, even native Android uses as much battery as the HD2 does.
[HD2 General] reijkelhof:
"Just wanted to thankyou all for helping me last week. and to the guy who took the piss, ask for help and I got none."

The second reply in your "help me" post was correct

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12540476&postcount=3

" just flash your Stock ROM via SD card and you will be good to go for warranty."

and he even included a link to the tutorial on how to do it. (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=681317)

But you decided otherwise.

Sad, but no ones fault but yours.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
there are posts missing from that thread. also after the guy was taking the piss I didnt bother coming back to look at other posts as I thought thats all i was going to get (people taking the piss)
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Hey thanks for that one, I had not even considered looking up the thread he was posting in for help before he sent it in for warranty work. So I retract my first post I am not sorry as I gave him the information he needed but he choice not to follow it so this is his fault and no one else.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
again, there are posts missing from my original request for help http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1011771 I had a guy taking the piss and the posts have now gone, and becuase he was taking the piss, and because ive seen it before with other people reqesting for help and then people taking the piss, i did not return to the thread as I didnt think i would get a helpful answer

why is it also on that thread i created, and in my statistics that my posts for that thread have gone?????

thats BS man how can my posts disappear????

thats really ****ed me off now, someone has removed mine and the other guys posts from that thread
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
a mod probably came along and cleaned up the thread.
[HD2 General] ASCIIker:
so, ummm, you start a new thread to get help and information about a problem that is already well documented. well, one can argue it might be an acceptable thing to do

...then you ASSUME you won't be getting any help? so you abandon reading the thread you started to get information?

then you start another thread (this one)?

you know what they say, "assumption is the mother of all f**k ups!"

well i guess at least you might learn from the experience...i just wish more people did their research so that such mistakes don't happen in the first place. but like so many other threads, even this "lesson learned" thread is going to go unnoticed by the vast majority of drones. at least change the titles of BOTH of your threads and tag them appropriately so that they have a better chance of being promoted to the head of subsequent search results. maybe something good can come of it!

cheers!
[HD2 General] DPMAce:
you're welcome good sir
[HD2 General] reijkelhof:
They probably did.

They try hard to keep XDA a friendly and helpful environment.

A good tip is to report posters who just take the piss out of people to the mods instead escalating the situation by replying (especially quoting) to such posts which, as shown, eventually are both removed anyway.

The report button is on the top right of every post.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
to be honest i know that i could have found the correct answer myself for sending the phone to warranty, if i had the time to do the research. im quiet busy with study so i thought i would just ask for the answer. Also my myself, and probably allot of others dont like being called "drones" its kind of derogatory, drones = brainless? I dont mind being called newb if thats what i was, which i was to flashing of branded stock ROMs.

and the report button, got it ;)
[HD2 General] Kailkti:
Actually the saying is assumptions makes asses of people. ;o

Well different cultures, different sayings I guess.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
my lecturer says "never assume anything. If you do you will make an ASS of U and ME"

:)
[HD2 General] SMS92:
You're a simpleton who requires constant, round the clock spoonfeeding in order to play with his mobile phone. Your grasp on the English language (despite being a native to England) leaves much to be desired and, in part, explains your inability to act out simple, freely donated instructions by people from all over the world who ask for nothing in return.

You're a big part of the reason warranty rules are strict, so thank YOU for your contributions to XDA.

Tosser.

Sent from my Nexus One
[HD2 General] lude219:
Yea, I wonder why most manufacturers are locking their bootloaders and giving the big middle finger to the hacking/modding community. ;)
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
why would manufacturers care about hacking their phone and voiding warranty? just saves them time and money, and probably even makes them money from just checking the ROM and spl (which takes how long?) then to say "the warranty is void" and sending the phone back to the customer with a fee to pay???

to the guy before, how the **** can i be spoonfed you dumbass, ive been a member of xda for a while and I have hardly ever asked for help. I do research just like everyone else except for this time because i dont have time to, so i asked to get a quick answer.

Also i dont "play" with my mobile phone, im not a teenager, I have a life and I dont have time to "play" with my mobile phone, unlike yourself as it seems to be.
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
It is not the modders and hackers they are "giving the big middle finger to" but the consumer. They do not want consumers to be able to do what ever they want to with a device they bought and payed for, so it belongs to them not the manufacturer. The only thing that belongs to the manufacturer is the name of the device, the name of their company on the device, and the design of the device. The software or OS on the device belongs to whatever company developed it. The actual device belongs to the consumer. But if manufacturers can keep the consumer from doing what the want to withj the device like converting it to another OS or making and installing a better custom OS to it, this will hinder the manufacturers from being able to force consumers to buy the new devices they are coming out with.n I find it very odd that all of these companies started seriously locking down the bootloaders on devices after the HD2 became able to flash and boot different OS's.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
I see your point. to me though its just a way for the manufacturers to make more money from us without giving their new phones something unique and special, instead just giving the same spec phone with a different OS and then saying for example "look, we've just released this phone, has the same spec as HD2 but with a different OS. HD2 has been out for a while and you could get it at quiet a decent price, but pay more for this one with a different OS instead".

To me the Android Market is a BIG selling point for HTC phones, and I believe people would consider going from HD2 to Desire HD mainly for the Android Market, even though the specs are very similar. But say they knew how to put Android on their HD2? I doubt so many Desire HD's would be sold
[HD2 General] lude219:
I believe you missed the entire point. No manufacturers want their phones to be sent back for service. The same reason that Microsoft lost $1B on fixing a crapload of XBOX360 with RRODs. Just because it left the factory doesn't mean it's no longer have ties to the manufacturer other than the name and the design, like you said. My point is that mfgrs are locking down bootloaders so our OP, and countless of others who can't be bothered to read, can't efff around with their hardware/software, because the moment they get to the repair shop and the phone is covered under warranty, guess who has to fork out the dough to fix it?
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
this doesnt make sense to me. if you was to mess around with the software as you say, then send it in for warranty repair, they discover the warranty is void because youve messed with the software then they charge YOU to get it fixed, it doesnt cost them money. like i said in the OP they charged ME, and they havent done any repair to the phone. they also quoted me around £190 pound, saying that if they find custom software has been installed, then a new mother board is required to be installed by them for that cost. which I would say would make them a bit of money for job that I'd say shouldnt take to long, especially for HTC official repairers.
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
I was not trying to be demeaning to you in anyway lude219, I was just exspressing my opinion is all. Now I see your side of the story here, but I am sorry the company repairing a faulty device or product they produce. The warranty is meant to be something of a safety net for consumers. Now I can understand that manufacturers have to dish out the cost of repair on said products, but it cost them half the price or less to do this as they buy or make components in bulk therefor the cost to them per unit or component is a lot lower than what you or I would have to pay for the same unit or component.

I am not trying to be a ass here so please do not take offense by this. But when a consumer pays cash money for a product said product belongs to them and not to anyone else. If this was not the case we would all just be leasing our phones, TVs, cars, homes, etc. Also if you think the manufacturers locking down devices is them looking out for the consumers best interest you are very sadly mistaken. They are looking out for no one but themselves I assure you. The concept of the free market is to sell your products or services to consumers and any steps you can take to insure consumers have no choice but to buy your products or services means more profits for your company. Locking down devices where you can only use them in the manner specified by the manufacturer or use only certain services with the device IE Zune, Itunes, and etc. means more money to the manufaturers and OS providers.

As I said this is just my opinion it is not meant as a attack on you.

Cheers
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
Also me too. not attacking or nothing, I dont mean any offence if I did at all, just a discussion. :)

the thing about this whole thread now is that I am going to have to fix the fault myself, and I have discovered that its not too difficult, all i need to get is some torx screwdrivers!
[HD2 General] lude219:
Trust me, I understand both points of the spectrum, and like you, I agree that if you paid for that product, then it's yours and you can do whatever you want to it. That much is clear. There's no confusion.

From what I gathered on here, the true mfgr hardware issue was the early capacitive screen (the one without dots) that was not very responsive and, at certain point, became erratic to the touch. That's something the end-user cannot fix and it's solely on the mfgr's fault. I've owned 4 phones from HTC (diamond, tp2, hd, hd2) and none of them exhibit any manufacturing/design issue. And from visiting this board for the last 2yrs, I've seen people return their HD2 because:

- they've bricked it

- short battery life

- phone lagging

- light sensor

- phone overheating

- screen unresponsive from android nand flashing

The majority of those are the end-users fault due to their unfamiliarity with smartphones and inability to take care of electronics (you mean my phone overheats when I watch a 2hr movie?!), but you know what, let's just put our tails between our legs, flash to a stock rom and have it sent in for repair. And manufacturers like HTC are aware of it. They're not stupid, they know there are countless of message boards all across the internet proliferating these kind of things. Little cost or big cost, it cuts into their profit margin.

Locking down bootloaders have little to do with enticing the consumers with newer products because if you make a good product, people will buy to it. Take a look at the iphone. Same OS and hardware for the last 3-4yrs yet they're selling in record numbers and jailbreaking have been available for almost the same amount of time. Again T-Mag, I feel the same way that you feel, but we (the modding community as a whole) is much as fault as mfgrs for locking down bootloaders and forcing the consumers to buy newer products.
[HD2 General] htchd2rules:
my fault was none of the above, on mine the camera flash had become depressed into the casing and was stopping the phone from vibrating. this was through no fault of my own, i always keep the phone in the casing that came with it, and I have also read about other people with this same problem, thats how I discovered this was the problem with mine. yes, i researched! :O

thats what has really pissed me off with this, it was a fault with the hardware that made me send it in for warranty repair, nothing to do with software, I even told them this and wrote it on the information sheet they gave that then went to the repair technician, yet they first check to see if any custom software has been put on? its bollocks, the fault was hardware and down to design, THEIR design!
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Hey thanks for responding I love good engaging conversation. True if you make a good product consumers will buy it. But the only reason why iphone is so successful is because one Microsoft never stepped up to the plate and made Windows Mobile a average or mass user kind of OS. And by the time they realized what they had iOS and Android had taken a strong hold in the mass public. One of the reasons they created WP7 as to try to compete with both of them by making a OS that essentially is geared to what the masses want, social networking (me personally I don't get it as I don't use facebook, twitter, or any real social networking sites except maybe XDA LOL).

I find it hard to have sympathy for any of the big electronics manufacturers though as if they were really concerned with consumers interests they would make products that did not have a need for a warranty. Now I know you say "Man that is not possible, everything breaks down eventually". Yes this is true but I am a firm believer that modern products could be made in a way that will make them last a lot longer by using better more durable materials. But manufacturers would rather cut production cost by using inferior materials. No I know products would cost more if they did not do this, but let's face the facts here. Companies are already charging way more than they should, and than it cost them to make said product. I also know that profits is what a company is all about, but the free market has made it exceptable to not show concern for the consumer as profit is the bottom line pushing all other things like honor and morality from the market place. I know I know cry me a river but it is true. There use to be such a thing as a company that had compassion and cared for the common man. I am sorry but the free market is what has allowed things that use to be unacceptable to the masses acceptable such as foul language on TV and radio, provocative images in magazines movies and TV shows, the concept that me is more important than we. Once again I am not saying those things should be band or we should go back to the 30's and 40's but just using them as a example. As you can tell I have some strong opinions on such things. Sorry for the rant.
[HD2 General] lude219:
I'm not gonna challenge you on another long-winded post :p, but I'll go ahead and address the quoted part. Seems like I'm always playing devil's advocate (though I'm not trying to be) but given that we're not in a perfect world where everything is 100% efficient and sound, there will always be errors. And humans are at the forefront of it. For instance, even an easy task of waking up in the morning and aiming my piss onto the bowl below become a challenge for the sleep deprived, the same reason I don't expect them to have thousands upon thousand lines of code working in perfect harmony without some bug popping up here and there. NASA weren't impervious to the Columbia explosion, Microsoft weren't safe from backdoor trojans, and little motherboard comprise of dozens of chips from multiple companies and a 3rd party OS aren't going to always be 100% perfect. They work for 99% of the time and for that special 1%, they're backed by a manufacturer's warranty.

I don't expect anyone to have sympathy for any company in a free market world, but then again, I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot just to 'stick it' to the man.
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Ha Ha I like that comment made me laugh after getting frustrated for the past two hours and some odd minutes trying to get cedesmith's little kernel bootloader to install on my HD2 unsuccessfully. :D