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[Xoom General] p-slim:
That's not accurate. What was on there was the fact that it said it would be upgraded at a later time. I read that site every day for a month before it was released and it NEVER stated it would ship with functional SD slot. If that happened engadget and pocketnow would've been all over that
[Xoom General] Nusince:
And it could very well be. Remember Asus has access to the one thing we don't, honeycomb source. It is entirely possible they implemented their own fix to the problem. From what I understand the mount point is kind of funky on the Asus device so it is possible that the implemented a bandaid solution to get it to work.
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
Even if they did, it's much better solution than not having any SD card / pendrive capabilities for unknown extend of time. Also - if Google changes it, the only thing they would need to change is the mount point (and they could still leave a soft or hard link for the old spot, so apps don't get confused afterwards).
[Xoom General] specmac:
Oh contraire. The spec page listed below, under the Technology section used to list "Micro SD up to 32gig". It did not say anything about a future software upgrade. They changed it, and now it says nothing about either.

XOOM WIFI Specs

In fact, the only place it's mentioned on the Motorola website is under the support section here.
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
Maybe Motorola made something wrong with the hardware for SD slot? Maybe they'll fix it while installing 4G?
[Xoom General] poisike:
So they are going to install 4g into my wifi only Xoom? I don't think so.
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
Touche. I forgot only some of the Xoom will get an upgrade.
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
since it's like like a cell phone i do believe you have 30 days to return it. at least i did with my prepaid sprint galaxy tab.
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
it's a possibility that the drivers are somehow combined - same hardware as the 3g xoom. one member said the sim card actually works, so moto could be trying to figure out how to disable one without disabling the other.

or maybe they're still negotiating price for the driver... some parts still have to have the drivers licensed to use them or to use specific features.
[Xoom General] alphabetaone:
Just because people complain more about something inaccurate doesn't miraculously make it more accurate.

One full month before launch (in case integers aren't your thing that would be January), Motorola, knew AND HAD POSTED that SD Card slot functionality was forthcoming contingent upon OS upgrade. For those of us who pay attention, it wasn't exactly rocket science to consume.

Also, since it seems most now (and this is not directed at you specifically, simply in general) want to get so "lawyerish" in their own belief that they have some litigation prowess, if you want to get down to the brass tacks of your own statement, you claim that the Xoom (and Motorola) CLAIMED it had support for up to 32 gb sd cards? It does. You can insert and remove a 32 gb sd card into it all day long (it supports it), it just wont do anything.
[Xoom General] alphabetaone:
I disagree completely. I would definitively NOT want a simple read only ability to transfer some files from one platform to another, and if this were the only ability that some "sd card support" could afford me, then I would much prefer having a non-functioning slot that I know is being developed into a proper storage facility, than knowing I'm dead-ended with a SD Slot that is tantamount to a closed session DVD.
[Xoom General] meta96:
... no. google, motorola, htc, etc. are smart enough to add sd-card support. The reason is a security one ... HC is designed for the future, so this case will be closed for future developments aka NFC ... and maybe also for SD-Cards greater than 32GB as well ...
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
I think you just have to wait. Google is probably working hard on making HC better and when they'll release new version, Xoom will definitely be updated.
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
Good to see everyone spending time with their new Xooms in such a productive manner. But still, I know that if my SD card slot were working right now I could totally kick all your assess!:p
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>totally kick all your assess!

...assets! <fixed> ;)

...asus??

...acers?!

...tushiba?
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
Actually BRD- and you know I'm with you on this- it's both of their "faults" we don't have it.

To get SD Card support we need two things:

- the SDHC block device

- Android OS support

For the former, I've been looking at it in the kernels I've been building. There's 4 SDHCI channels on the Tegra 2. Channel B is for the WiFi, channel D is for the internal 32GB storage. It would be trivial to figure out which of channels A or C is the one the SD card is connected to and use that, but the problem is we'd also need to know the GPIOs for card-detect, and optionally write-protect and maybe device power (but the current kernel support for that appears to be lacking), and that can only come from Motorola (BTW- if anyone's got the Stingray schematic, I'll trade you my firstborn for it :)).

But even if we have the SDIO channel set and the sdX block device ready to go, how, and where, and when do we mount it? We could do the hack that apparently Asus has done, but there's no coherent place to do that in HC tablets where /mnt/sdcard is really a link to /data/media made by the "sdcard" service. Since we don't have the HC source yet, we can't yet make those changes (cleanly), so this issue is Google's. After all, we have something similar now that there's USB Host support in your Tiamat kernels, which I've used- but since there's no OS-side support for unmounting the SD cards via a USB reader, the risk for data corruption (if you haven't run "adb remount /mnt/usbdisk") is too high for General Consumption right now.

It's also why we have MTP support (which works at the file level) vs. USB-Storage support (which works on entire file-systems). I've even built a kernel that's got USB Storage support but didn't finish it, as there's no way to solve the tricky question of simultaneous access at the file-system level between USB Storage and the system having the storage permanently mounted without a really ugly hack involving unionfs and locking. With 14GB of "stuff" on my internal SD and 8GB still free, I can wait.

Sorry for the "TL;DR" of all this; but I'm in the handset-manufacturing business and exposed to the realities of customer expectations vs. engineering/marketing/sales/management realities and while it bites, rest assured it's never done specifically against the consumer. (But- to paraphrase an old saying, "do not prematurely assign to malice that which is best explained by stupidity." :D)
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
See how much more practice I still need before I'm allowed to have the SD card update?
[Xoom General] sgtagem:
I happy with my xoom even without the SD card. Dont get me wrong, I cant wait for the update. I want to see CWM so I can play with mods without worrying about reflashing stock img. but until the update I can enjoy it the way it is.
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
... so today, I got to thinking, then got to work.

Turns out that in the AOSP kernel source for the Tegra devices there's three hardware platforms defined: "Stingray" (our 3G/WiFi Xooms) and the "Harmony" and "Olympus" platforms (for which devices I don't know). Anyway, after looking at the GPIO allocations for the other two platforms, I noticed there was a third SDHCI channel set up on the Harmony platform, so I tried using those GPIOs- and I got the block device part working!

Then came the harder second part- getting the Android user-space to (seamlessly) recognize the block device for mounting (without having to deal with scripts). I have the GB source for derivative comparison, and while hoping they're not too far off one another realized that unless there's something I can't figure out (someone needs to Deodex it, perhaps) there's still only one removable partition supoorted (which we all seem to know). So, to mitigate that I have some mods to the init scripts which work; if an SD-Card with one Primary VFAT partition is in at boot it will be loaded at /mnt/usbdisk. While it shouldn't be pulled out unless the power's off, there's a way to mount/unmount it manually via "setprop" as well.

Anyway, I've been talking to BigRushDog and CoolBHO3000 (who have been also working on this, and apparently have a solution, too) about what I've been doing (all props to them, as I probably wouldn't have even bothered to root and get involved in working on the Xoom kernel were it not for the Tiamat OC mods), and I'll deliver what I have to them for inclusion in a kernel (if you're good with "git", PM me for the GitHub SHAs/branches. I'm also up-to-date on the AOSP kernel upstream commits on the kernel I'm running, too).

So anyway I got long-winded again, but the good news is we should have some sort of preliminary support until Google and Moto give us the real thing.
[Xoom General] dezufnoC:
^^^^

This is why I did not worry about the sd slot not working when I purchased the XOOM. Having been around this site for a minute I knew/know and will always know there are some pretty darn smart folks around here who always come thru with something for me in a very reasonable time. Patience is the key. Props to all you devs who work your azzes off to help this community.

Second round of drinks on me!
[Xoom General] robbiev80:
Awesome work!!!!
[Xoom General] MitchRapp:
great news :)
[Xoom General] ClydeB1:
And now it's confirmed working for Xoom also. Thanks BigRushDog (oh and Asus ;))
[Xoom General] bigrushdog:
kcrudup , i have thought about many of the things that have concerned you as well. But from what i can tell, we should be good to go. Based on the way things have developed, it seems the internal memory will act as the system "sdcard". in that manner, anything that makes a call to write to external will never call on an unmounted device. If you take a look at my git, i did the board driver a little different. I only defined a single gpio call. I'm tired and can't remember which, but that is the way it's done on the asus board. also, regarding the 2 open channels, i was able to assign sd to either one and it worked fine. I ran with sdhci1 just for kix. So there is still an open channel for something else.... perhaps the LTE radio... i'm not sure.. anyway. Your call to system/bin/mount in stingray.rc was off the hook man. super clean work bro. btw you really make me wanna take my Xoom for a plane ride ;)
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
Hey, your stuff, my stuff, it's all good- I'm giving back to the community, and that's all that matters! The only thing I wish is that I'd started to look at this in-depth earlier; I've only been working with this kernel since the beginning of the month, but the answer had been staring me in the face in the board-harmony-sdhci.c file for over a week now. Ah well.

Heh- turns out the Paid version supports speed up to 600MPH, so I'm gonna do it again on the way home from work, this time with speed! :D
[Xoom General] kalfou:
So its Googles fault then? I'm just trying to get my head around this
[Xoom General] el_bori1:
Working on my Xoom now.
[Xoom General] marctronixx:
KC and Big,

great work gents.

curious..a question. will your developments allow the user on the xoom to choose where to store files or apps when downloaded? ya know, just like one can do on a android handset (apps2sd)? will one be able to choose where to install applications?
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
Perhaps via Astro or Root File Manager (? I think that's what it's called).

As far as applications, I'd be highly surprised in the current incantation, but I pushed a change I handed off to BRD yesterday that might allow App2SD to move apps there (there's crypto-signage that needs to be present on an SD-Card for moving apps to external storage).

But this is a stopgap 'till Moto/Google get us the Real Deal (which is hopefully sooner than later).
[Xoom General] mmsood99:
Is anyone beginning to suspect the non-working sd problem is more serious than we are being led to believe? The sd problem is serious and been around for too long.
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
Doubtful. Even that maintenance release to HR166 was quite trivial so I suspect that when they finally do the point release, it's gonna be fairly substantial- which means it's got a lot of work in it. But had they put the SD-Card out in a form like ours (which, let's not forget- is still a HACK and not quite ready for Prime-Time (try pulling it out while it's mounted and you've written anything to it, f'rinstance)) then had to change it all up again when they do it The Right Way, you'd have more people pissed off than in the current situation of having to wait, I'm sure.

Consider also it's probably going to include the stuff Moto has to include for LTE (which, all things considered, ain't that big of a deal, just a kernel driver and some updated Settings) they just figured they'd wait.

Hell, for all we know it could be ready May 1st. Who knows?
[Xoom General] gogol:
I bet some times before the Google IO ... or right after that, Honeycomb will get major update from Google.

There would be the benchmark for all those manufacturers.

Motorola with the Xoom ...

Asus with the Transformer ...

Acer with the Iconia ...

Samsung with the Galaxy Tab 10.1

v

(the thick one) ...

Who will give the fastest update :)
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
Asus representative said:

Here: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=206353&page=7

It sounds like they didn't change much. It could mean that the mouse cursor that Transformer has and SD card compatibility comes from Google not from Asus. I hope so - because all tablets will get the same things soon.
[Xoom General] ryan562:
and Paul aka modaco just ported clockwork over to the asus
[Xoom General] Smokexz:
I got SD card support from that one Kernel that everyone was freaking over. It apparently makes things smootjer from what some people tell me. Yeah, the SD card support is nice ( never really needed it or demanded it but now I have a fuzzy feeling knowing it is there) and the system feels the same but I haven't had as many crashes... or maybe that's just me. But anyways yes, this was Motorola's fault to begin with.

Sent from my Xoom
[Xoom General] kcrudup:
No it ain't.
[Xoom General] p-slim:
So who here thinks Asus will be getting the 3.1 update anytime soon soon like xoom users, lol. See you in about 4 weeks Asus users
[Epic 4G General] Dvin211:
I found this interesting. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/224449/root_android_app_shows_coverage_maps.html?tk=out
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
There have been other similar apps, but I haven't seen any gain traction. To be useful, there must be a large and active user base contributing to the database.
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
the best I've found so far is OpenSignalMaps. Lowest battery impact and the developer actually responds to messages you send him regarding issues and bugs.
[Vibrant General] airhop7:
So the release date for the us lg g2x for tmobile hits online store on the 15th of april and in stores 20th of april. With my contract expiring, should I get the lg g2x? I love the vibrant but I feel its time to move.on..
[Vibrant General] deadpass:
I think I'm going to wait and see how the dev scene for the 2x is and what the official specs for the htc pyramid are before I choose.
[Vibrant General] VICosPhi:
I am not very impressed with the display and camera of Optimus 2X which is essentially a G2X
[Vibrant General] Segnaro:
G2X is cool but I still want to wait to see what the Pyramid has to offer.

It would be awesome if Samsung made the Galaxy S II a G-Series phone. :cool:
[Vibrant General] jrharvey:
I would wait for the pyramid.
[Vibrant General] corradoswapt:
Im going to pick this one up just to sell it when the galaxy s II come out. Im sick of my vibrant as well...
[Vibrant General] airhop7:
Is the pyramid for tmobile? If so I'll wait. I also heard the sgs2 is quite expensive
[Vibrant General] djm3ph:
I'm waiting for the pyramid. No more Samsung for me.
[Vibrant General] VICosPhi:
Pyramid is going to have a locked bootloader which may take a long time to crack. I'd go with Samung/LG or anyone who supports open architecture.

G2X is surely tempting but I'd wait for a review to compare camera samples gps lcd etc.

The review from gsmarena for optimus2x doesn't look like camera and display are anything special...it says the lcd is not as good as iphone 4 despite using same technology and teh camera has a blue tint/less saturation and colors don't look very appealing.

Nevertheles, LG has put out a solid device and definitely heading in the right direction.
[Vibrant General] Paticakeman:
I'm considering this also. I'm kinda tired of the vibrant and if you have a family plan you can use the other lines upgrades for smart phones if you go through radio shack.
[Vibrant General] Jasonhunterx:
Wait for pyramid even if lock boot loader its sense so its gonna be good at least its not blur and its suppose to beat tegra and SGX and gonna get Netflix cuz of drm once it Come out good bye vibrant
[Vibrant General] nate420:
lol good grammer!!!!!!

well the SgS II is my option... honestly yes samsung is ****ed up on how they release updates/sources for there phones but SUPER AMOLED! your ****ing high if your gonna give that up... my brother has a Droid x.... i had a HD2 and then a HD7 and after 8 months of my vibrant i wont switch to LG/HTC... . and **** HTC ohhh cool you get updates sooner but the boot loader will take a few months to crack... it took a month just for them to crack the droid X ( let alone the 4.3' screen on that droid ****ing blows... big LCD no clarity?)

**** any think other than SuperAMOLED!

the galaxy s/SGS II's are the BEST phone for your money and proven to preform... ive soft bricked my phone several times learning how to flash/mod

my brother had to get a 500 droid after he bricked his....

if your sick of your vibrant give it to me.... or atleast consider SgS II

as for the cost of the SGS II its most likely gonne be 500-600 bucks WITHOUT CONTRACT/UPGRADE... so more in the 200-300 range.... Gx2 LMFAO my old nokia flip phone has a better camera and screen...
[Vibrant General] mr.orange303:
tmobile may not get the galaxys2.

the g2x has only 512mb of ram. the pyramid has 1gb.

so i can see waiting.

unfortunetly i have the money now.

so if apr 12th doesnt include a world release of the pyramid i may have to go g2x.

the screen is comparible to samoled.

not quite as good but still just slightly lesser.
[Vibrant General] jdm4u:
im considering this phone too. Samsung GS2 might take a while for T-mo since they have to add the bands for t-mo's 4G and with the update history samsung has, not really excited about it. The HTC pyramid interested me before, but now i could care less about it. The G2x will have vanilla android, which they stated they chose vanilla android in order to get updates out quickly, so we'll see how that goes. I dont have to renew till november, so we'll see what happens. I just wish the G2x had the NOVA screen. Maybe by the time I can upgrade they'll be more options.
[Vibrant General] VICosPhi:
You could get Thrill 4G, it has NOVA screen and 3D recording. It also has OMAP which is faster than Tegra. You'll need to buy it off contract when ATT releases it,
[Vibrant General] Chalup:
I agree with you 100% except for the part about Samsung supporting an open platform. Do we know yet for sure how open the Galaxy S2 will be? I'm worried Samsung will be forced to become Motorola by the carriers
[Vibrant General] Blkegk:
I'm going to stick with my vibrant and Hd2 until something quad core comes out.
[Vibrant General] Chalup:
I'm waiting for Intel's i7 mobile to come out... last I heard it is due Q5 of 2011. The first phone featuring the processor is going to have active cooling with running fans. The prototype looks bad ass. It's like a classic American muscle car with a large vent/intake on the hood for its turbos, except on a phone.
[Vibrant General] dougstoner:
For all those people who want to upgrade, but still have a while left on their original contract....

If you call up customer service, and tell them you are thinking about jumping ship, and want to know when your contract is up, they will usually allow you an upgrade, and restart your contract the day you buy the upgrade. I've done this twice now, and I'll do it again when the lgx2 comes out. :D (you have to do this with customer service, and not at the store. I called up there and *****ed about my vibrant's gps, etc, and they said I could do an upgrade if I wanted.)
[Vibrant General] montez.061-:
I would if I could
[Vibrant General] adamboyd83:
Im considering getting the G2x. Gonna give it a month or so to see how things go and get some money together. Also gonna buy it at Best Buy so when the next best thing come i can use their buy back program.

Im just getting tired of my Vibrant. I miss stock android.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anteko:
Last week I lost/had my phone stolen. After a couple days I contact asurion (t-mobiles insurance company for lost/damaged phones) and order a replacement paying a whopping $130. The phone comes the next day, but the battery is for the wrong phone. I call them back and order a battery and they say it will be there in a few days. I wait and wait and wait, and it never arrives. Finally I call back yet again and they inform me that they never sent it out because of some 'glitch' in their system (b.s. if you ask me) so they decide to send me an entire new package with a phone and all, and that I should take that phone and battery and send the prior replacement back. The package with the new phone and correct battery this time arrive, but there is now return label in the box as their usually is. What should my next step be? Are they even expecting to get something back or do I now have 2 vibrants do with what I desire ?? :cool:

tl;dr : Got a replacement phone with no return label, now have 2 Vibrants.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nomadrider123:
Simply call them again and get a address
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shreddintyres:
yea contact them and inform them that if they want you to return the previous phone they need to send you a shipping label and packaging as it is their responsibility to provide you with such
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gemni69:
Hey guys,

Sorry if this is a dum question but i cant figure out what the issue is. I have a 4gb micro sd card in my Vegan Gtablet. I can go into es explorer and see the sdcard 2. I have been able to create a folder in that sdcard 2. When i take it out the folder is gone so i know that is the place i need to be. Anyways When i try to move media files from sdcard to sdcard 2. It gives me a error and wont move it. What am i doing wrong or am i missing something?

Any help would be great. Thx.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fredboy:
have you tried using Root Explorer to make the folder r/w? I'd like to understand the difference between the sdcard and the sdcard2. I have my gtab (vegan) mounted currently to my pc, and i see sdcard as empty and sdcard2 with files, but when i had no card in, the sdcard had the contents and sdcard 2 was empty.... Anyone have insight on these folders?
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vcs111:
sd card2 issues

I am also running vegan on my gtab. my computer can not see sdcard2 (external card) but I can transfer files to it via usb drive using adao file manager. when I shutdown my gtab the files dissapear. Is there a fix that will allow us to use the sdcard2? Any help is appreciated thanks in advance.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gemni69:
I went and used root explorer and gave me error that its a read only system. Im trying to move media files from my built in gtab memory to the micro SD card? How can this be done? Help !!!
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chadness:
There should be a button at the top of the file list to change from RO (Read only) to RW (Read Write) file systems.