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[HTC EVO 3D] svinyard:
Samsung > HTC because they skipped Froyo and went straight to Gingerbread.

Who wanted Froyo anyways??? I would MUCH rather have SGS 2 skip Ice Cream and drop Jelly Bean on me a year later right when I'm about to buy a new phone anyways.

....and now you've heard it all.

All me to quote Mr. Connery

"Boy you might be legally retarded"

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[HTC EVO 3D] n33sirgp:
EVO3D hands down. The thing's got crazy good specs. Cannot wait to see how it does performance/benchmark-wise
[HTC EVO 3D] Officerpolabear:
That's the same reason why I stick with Samsung. Hardware is something you can't change while software is something you can change. I could care less if it was plasticy or not cuz it's just a phone. Plus you can easily put launcherpro over touchwiz which will take away touchwiz: simple.
[HTC EVO 3D] aimbdd:
I'd rather not wait a couple weeks (months? I don't know how long it took to fix the issue) for a software update so my phone will work like it should have when I bought it.
[HTC EVO 3D] musclehead84:
Samsung sgs II.L All the way. While I have full root with custom roms/kernels the evo 3d community will be still trying to figure out how to get root. Screw that. Besides for those that talk so bad about the epic we've had a leaked froyo for a while. My overclocked 1.45 ghz processors kill the evo. Also look at the gpu.

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[HTC EVO 3D] aimbdd:
Lol so your reason is basically because your inpatient?

Leaked rom is not equal to a software update.
[HTC EVO 3D] nubsors:
I have an Epic and I am currently running EB13 and haven't had a single issue. Very few people had issues with that update. Additionally EC05 was released less than a month later which addressed those issues and added more functionality.

Go read the Epic boards and you will find 10x more people talking about how much they like their phone compared to those who hate it. The phone is awesome and knocks the socks off Evo's quite easily. Seriously, anyone who is talking **** about the Epic hasn't had any experience with it, and I'm betting you fall perfectly into that category.
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
LOL, this has to be the most misinformed statement of the year. *SMH*
[HTC EVO 3D] KingKuba13:
What "crazy" specs?

Benchmarks won't be anything special, then again, depends which benchmarks you actually care about.

Because smartbench 2011 results look laughable right now.
[HTC EVO 3D] Blitzpwnage:
The simple fact your going to purchase a phone because of benchmarks is laughable.

I'M IN SPAAAACCCEEEE! I'M IN SPACE! I'M IN SPACE!
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
No, whats laughable is how many people come in here posting ish they know absolutely nothing about. Cause if they did, then they wouldn't make stupid statements like the one YOU made. The benchmarks for this chipset bested all of the others in every category except one. Totally killed the Tegra2, so you might wanna research before you state so called "facts".
[HTC EVO 3D] spartan15A:
Which Phone?

The evo 3d all the way.

I have to switch to sprint in may, because I'm paying to much on verizon.

Could this phone come out in may, if not, should I hold out and wait for this phone or get the nexus X 4g?
[HTC EVO 3D] Spartoi:
The Galaxy S2/Exynos right?
[HTC EVO 3D] brandenk0:
Disregard what I said read your post wrong.
[HTC EVO 3D] Alcoholic:
I'm in the same position. So i decided whichever comes first i'll buy that.

Between

Sensation

G S II

EVO 3D

I'm out of contract, so i can switch carriers.
[HTC EVO 3D] Maedhros:
If the Evo 3D is a possibility for you to get, there is no point in even considering the Sensation. Evo 3D is MUCH better then the sensation.

However... Evo 3D vs SGS2... Much harder decision.

If build quality is good on the SGS2 and HTC sense can be ported to the SGS2 then I'd get the SGS2. If not...

very hard decision -_-

I honestly wish HTC didn't opt for Qualcomm
[HTC EVO 3D] il Duce:
For me, it's evo 3D no question :) here's why (other than being an htc lover and a sprint gold premier customer) - I just got a new TV because my current samsung 58" plasma was borked. The warranty tech couldn't find parts to fix it (needed a new panel), so they said "hey, you can have a new one for free, it's part of your service plan", so I said "maybe, what kind", and they said "well, this 59 inch samsung plasma 3D is the closest" - end of story :)

mwuahahahahahaaaa. I love best buy!
[HTC EVO 3D] brandenk0:
There are many reviews (more like a lengthy preview) that talk about build quality of the SGS2. You can find most of these in this thread here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=978200 (they are listed in the first post). Hope this helps.

I myself will be going for the SGS2. I own a Vibrant and Samsung uses awesome hardware for their devices (the plastic body is fine for me) and seeing that the I'm switching to At&t which the SGS2 works on I will be getting it over the Evo 3d.
[HTC EVO 3D] Whosdaman:
SGS II is so much better hardware wise....but it's Samsung.

HTC FTW!
[HTC EVO 3D] kurolife:
You are pretty much wrong mate!

It seems that there are 2 versions of the SG2 the Tegra 2 and the Exynos one

CPU wise the MSM8660 blows every A9 processor away

Now the question would be how the Adreno220 stacks infront the Mali and the Exynos, as for the tegra the adreno beats hands down!

Proof:http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year/

Benchmarks:http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/1

Now add to that the fact that htc doesn't miss up it software as samsung does and you ll end up with the fact that Evo 3d is the superior phone here hands down!

I would be more interested in the price of both devices more than anything else
[HTC EVO 3D] Foladko:
You guys are like little children fighting a endless war, I wouldn't expect anything so low here on XDA.

All of these Android benchmarks are pure ****. Especially Quadrant.

How can you compare scores when half of the benchmarks aren't dual core and none of them are optimized.

Doesn't anyone think it's a tad odd that every benchmark has a diffrent conclusion ???

Seriously .. where is a mod to ban braindead idiots like you already
[HTC EVO 3D] kurolife:
Ok so you provided a SS of smartbench 2011 where as i provided a detailed article which present the architecture details and benchmarks that covers real world performance!

But if you were smart enough you would have noticed that the score of the sensation is half the G2 or DHD which uses MSM8255 which is basicaly one of the core of the MSM8260...Seriously!
[HTC EVO 3D] SaschaHa:
I think, the SGS2 will be the better one because at the moment there are insufficient 3D apps. Furthermore 3D on smartphones is embryonic...

I'm waiting for the SGS II, but in Germany it will be released not until the end of may... -,-'
[HTC EVO 3D] xPSYCHOTRONx:
Just because there isnt alot of 3d content doesnt mean anything when compared to the sgs2. The evo 3d can do the same stuff the other can PLUS do all the 3d stuff so looks to be alot more features for the money to me.

Not to mention the laggy samsung updates vs HTC so another point to the 3d.

Anyways unless the samsung supports the budwiser on tap app im going evo 3d.
[HTC EVO 3D] SaschaHa:
That's true, but to my mind the 3D function ist the main advantage of the Evo 3D. In my opinion it's better to have a Super-AMOLED+ display than a 3D LCD :)
[HTC EVO 3D] bigbrown:
You couldn't pay me enough to take the Samsung.

"Those who forget the past..."
[HTC EVO 3D] aaronpoweruser:
sg2 is the chap for now with a 3400 quadrent and a 3900 smart bench 2011 these are the scores to beat come june we wont know until the evo 3d is launched which is faster and in all likelihood the evo 3d will be slower because of the higher res screen which requires 30% more pixels to push so once we adjust for that we will know which phone is truly faster which doesnt really matter cause both of these devices are faster than tegra 2's so these phones will be king for at least a year and more than capable for 2. in terms of build quality the screen on the gs2 will defiantly be better no questions asked and it has nfc which is unconfirmed and unlikely on the 3d. the 3d has the mod-abilty on its side as well as 3d sense if your into that dedicated camera button and hdmi out via the mhl port and will probably have better battery life due to the larger battery at the expense of thickness
[HTC EVO 3D] drbadass:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/2722/

what is with the lag, seriously.
[HTC EVO 3D] xPSYCHOTRONx:
Yea your right there is knowticable lag when hes messing with it.

Id say thats not good for that phone at all but well see how it handles after its actual release.
[HTC EVO 3D] crpercodani:
I think your confusing Samsung's Galaxy series with Google's Nexus branding...
[HTC EVO 3D] bobdude5:
I've had it since day one and I really really really dislike it. It feels cheap, horrible battery life, unstable, touchwiz is ugly, thick, horrible keyboard that always skips presses, nobody compliments it's lol, not sturdy, and very plasticky and difficult to develop for (not that much variation between roms and all are touchwiz but cm7 should be done hopefully in a month.

I just got a new evo and I mean baffled as to why I ever got rid of it. Amazing build quality, sense 2.1 is awesome, developer support is awesome, very visually appealing phone, I love you kickstand (damn you htc for not including it in the 3d), battery life is awesome, screen is a great ( super amoled is better but the evo 4.3 is awesome and the colors look just fine).

Buuuuuuuttt sg2 looks really nice and a 4.3 super amoled plus sounds delightful, but the evo will have a higher res and a great screen as well so I'm going with the evo. Sense 3.0 looks amazing. I have sense 2.1 loaded on mu evo and it's awesome. So many useful features and customizations and it's very neat and organized.
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
The lag I noticed most was the perceived hesitation when switching screens from side to side. The E3D didn't appear to lag at all when switching screens and even flowed beautifully when 'spun' in carousel mode. From what I saw of comparisons of the two, the E3D had more widgets on the screens that the SG2 did. I'll take practical use over theoretical testing any day.
[HTC EVO 3D] ervman1:
I had the evo and went to the epic...

The biggest difference between these two devices will be the dev community for each one...I love the epics awesome screen but comparing what's available rom wise for the evo, I'm gonna go with the evo 3d. I want all the roms available, sense, aosp, miui...

I can't wait for it to be released :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] brandenk0:
Just look at the SGS i9000 dev section. It's filled with tons of roms. You could even look at the SGS Vibrant. The Vibrant has many roms and ports too. I dont know about the Epic but the rest of the SGS is filled with dev support.
[HTC EVO 3D] ervman1:
Well I'm not saying there is no dev support, that'd be an insult to all who are working diligently on the roms available but I just don't see as much there as the evo...I'm not sure on the rest of the galaxy series..I'm on sprint and intend to keep it that way...I do like the nexus s 4g as well..id love getting updates straight from google
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
I can't say I saw anything that impressed me with the phone. Granted that is only one review, but the lag from what looked like a simple UI didn't inspire confidence after hearing about all the lag fixes and Samsungs inability to put out froyo on the epic in a timely manners. It's thinner and has a very minimalistic look so if that's what you're looking for you'll probably like it, but there just isn't anything about it that makes it any more attractive than any of the other phones out there.

That brings it back to support, on my Evo I've been using a mostly stock froyo ROM since shortly after the launch and have a very well running stock gingerbread ROM now right after the Epic was updated to Froyo. HTC has helped the Evo's dev community immensely and has also implemented some of the things people made here into the stock ROMs.
[HTC EVO 3D] brandenk0:
If you take note of the home screens on the phone, every single homesceen is filled with apps and widgets. Any phone would lag with all of that on its screen. If you take a look at could less of other videos you'll see that this phone flies. Now I know I may be defending his phone to much but, I've seen count,ess videos showing this phone without any lag.

The SGS II is going to be the phone I'm getting but, other than the 3D feature I don't see anything that truly makes the Evo 3D a better phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
Let me just first ask that you please not take this as an attack on your thoughts as it is not. This is just my own viewing of the vids.

When I looked at the homescreens for both, I saw apps and widgets for both phones on all of the screens. On the E3D, I did not see hesitation when the screens were switched, even when the carousel spinning motion was used. On the SG2, I perceived hesitation each time the screen was switched. Now, maybe that was just my perception or, possibly, it was designed to do that. However, that is not something I like to see on a phone I intend to purchase.

Maybe the software was not finished on the SG2. I know in the E3D vids, the reps said specifically that the software was not in the final build.

Either way, truthfully, now is a great time to be in the market for a new phone.:)
[HTC EVO 3D] Maedhros:
Sammy always has garbage software tbh.

TW is a POS.

What they do right tho is the hardware (if not the Build quality).

Despite their phones being plasticy, there is one thing they NEVER do... which is squeek.

My Desire HD's antenna cover squeeks all the time -_-

If you HONESTLY tell me that the E3D will run anything better then the SGS2 you are srsly kidding yourself....
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
I've known several people that have Evo-ish HTC devices, not to mention the Incredible, that have no issue with the build quality. Two supervisors in the company I work for have the Evo. One had the Epic but returned it because it felt horrible in his hand. I recently had the chance to see my neice's Inspire. That phone felt very well crafted in the hand. No seams or edges that caught on the skin. No bleed through from light. Just a nice build.

Based purely on benchmark programs, the SGS2 is better. From what I can see from the vids released, the E3D is better. Sense, as you stated, is better than TW. Lagging when switching screens is still lag. The only issues had with the E3D was the software glitch with the weather/clock widget. Add to that HTC's history of updates on stock phones and the E3D is a clear winner to me. Even the MyTouch 3G I have got Froyo before any of the Galaxy phones. Those are facts, all kidding aside.

Personally, I'll go with the E3D. A phone stuttering as it switches screens is like a car hesitating when you push down on the gas. It might read 350 horsepower on the window sticker, but if it doesn't perform off the line, you lose and that is the honest truth.
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
Evo3D > GS2. "HTC Shooter" benchmarks show this and the benchmarks when it gets into consumers hands will too. (you can say what u want, but thickness isn't a huge deal and slcd is pretty close to super amoled).
[HTC EVO 3D] adyingbreed771:
well does anyone know when the EVO 3D will come out?? Hopefully before september 7 cause thats my b-day and i have my upgrade september 1st
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
HTC/Sprint have been saying summer. June is the start of summer, so it should be well before your upgrade :)

Also, Best Buy is doing the super-secret pre-sale right now, so the announcement should come, I believe, sometime this month regarding a concrete date.
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
When the Evo first came out it did lag something horrible but once we got the froyo update I rarely see any lag from the UI. I've also had the same one since launch day and haven't any trouble minus a worn out power button.

Sent from my EVO
[HTC EVO 3D] dslisfree:
When it come down to it for me, which phone will have the most developer's support?

I was lucky enough to own an Evo, Epic and Fascinate. The user experience on all devices were horrible before putting custom ROMs and kernels. I'm currently using the Evo because of the better user experience through the development community.
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
From what I remember, didn't they do a few other things with that Froyo update? Lifting the FPS cap for example? Or am I mis-remembering?
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
You know that evo 3d they showed wasn't even close to finished software right? That weather/clock was far from a finished product.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
Yes, sir :) In either this forum or the Android central one, I posted something along those same lines. In the vids I have seen, there were a couple statements about the weather widget and camera software being far from final and the total software itself not in the final build. And it goes without saying that updates will get pushed to the phone if something is discovered after release.

Yet, even with it not in the final iteration, I still feel the E3D looked very smooth in all of the other functions. I would take this over the GS2 any day. In fact, I am 3rd on the pre-sale list at Best Buy as of today at the one near me. :cool:
[HTC EVO 3D] MrSpain:
The Galaxy S II is not coming to Sprint right? So why is this even a question?
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
Yup, that was the main cause of the lag and htc ended up using the same method a few people here figured out to raise it. Our linpack scores also jumped significantly thx to froyo and jit.
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
Tis what I thought, Gracias for the confirm :) I didn't know about the score jump though. Good to know.
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
If I am not mistaken, Samsung is going to attempt follow the same route with the SG2 they did with the original Galaxy. That is, a version on each carrier.

Now, whether that actually comes to pass and in what form the phone will arrive (some had keyboards IIRC), I have no idea.
[HTC EVO 3D] rockky:
I've been playing with the SG2 since Thursday...(on ATT).

Thing is aesthetically one fine slender powerhouse...from the hardware to knockout screen to, believe it or not, to TouchWiz 4.0 (tho if I kept it, it'd be aosp undoubtedly!)...

It's pure smartphone sex.

I have the same amount of 76 apps loaded as I do on my Evo.

The device..(understandably) moves from screen to screen, app to app, and surfs the web significantly quicker than my Evo, no lag whatsoever...and as fast as any I've ever seen.

Camera-Video pics are just superb.

After a year with the Evo, its easy to be duped into thinking the build on thhis is lacking which I do at times, but its really just the weight of the thing. With the textured matted back it in no way feels plasticity n cheap like the 3G Iphone.

So its a preference and style choice really, Nonetheless, I think I might have the phone-of-the year here!

Hey, sex sells!
[HTC EVO 3D] popular nobody:
^As someone doing internal testing for the EVO 3D/HTC Sensation for a while now, I think you won't be able to mention the best without naming those two devices. SG II is beastly specs wise, but Samsung ****ty hardware track record speaks for itself. I'll definitely give the device a chance though, as it's too good for me not to.

Sent from the EVO 3D with Sprint.
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
Hey, does the screen display 3d in portrait or just landscape?
[HTC EVO 3D] Jaybenosa:
Landscape only is what I've been reading
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
Ya, I've head it both ways. But i haven't head anything from someone who has actually seen/used one in person.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
They say it in the you tube videos it only works in landscape
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
We can speculate all we want won't know 100% till drops. also what's the date on the video if engadget I think its old if its the same one where the cam don't work it was still early needed some working on as far as between the two I'm very interested to see the adreno 220 in action on the 3d
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[HTC EVO 3D] Officerpolabear:
Don't you mean software? And besides that point, I will just root my phone and then it's all good.
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
whoaaaaaa lol pretty nice much better then adreno 200 thanks matt
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
As an internal tester can you speak on the state of the boot loader?

Tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Yeah, qualcomm stated it will be several times more powerful than the 205, competing with the level of performance seen in game consoles. Whether or not this is true is another story of course but its going to be a powerhouse nonetheless.

On another note, why is Samsung no longer using led indicators? Its a nice feature and I love having 2 on my evo. This is something that would annoy me on the sgs2.

Tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Yea it's just stupid little things like that (no led notif) is why I stay far away from samsung. That's like having a car with no steering wheel, it just doesn't make sense.
[HTC EVO 3D] popular nobody:
I'm working directly on the MSM8660, pushing the dual core to the limits. I have no clue about the state of the boot loader, as that has nothing to do with Qualcomm. I can always ask a HTC Rep for you, if you like. Manufacturers reps always in my facilities, though they usually tight lipped. What I truly want to know is this really a carrier-specific request? I was already told that Verizon didn't ask for a locked boot loader. Same how it was Motorola's doing, not Verizon.

Sent from my newly fresh Limited Edition Galaxy Tab!
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
That's what I'm talking about lol HTC stepped it as did Qualcomm very nice it is amazing what they pulled out on this adreno 220 I've been doing allot of research on it
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
so much false info adreno 220 in 3d put it to the test the prymd is not the same lol
[HTC EVO 3D] svinyard:
Hey Popular Nobody...we need some insider info here. Lets have the good!!
[HTC EVO 3D] svinyard:
Noobs: "We know the SGS2 will be great because I saw some interweb pics of its awesome Quadrant score"

"SGS 2 is awesome because...well I know they barely have froyo out on SGS1 but they will be better now. I know just because I do"

"SGS 2 has better camera MP, its awesome stuff"

"SGS1 skipped froyo and went to Gingerbread...so awseome"

Smart People: "SGS2 will probably be a nice, fast second gen-phone but a lower screen resolution is a draw back....not to mention Samsung has one of the worst track records to date and we certainly cannot discount that "just because".

EVO 3D is the better phone but SGS 2 is great for anyone who can't get an EVO. Don't go thinking its better than the EVO though :)
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
I agree it is an awsome phone but better then 3d I will not ignore its specs the sgs2 is powerful but evo 3d is just as if not by some claims more so basing my buy on benchmark scores I will not do I trust htc I love sense touch wiz is a no no lol so on that 3d for me
[HTC EVO 3D] Officerpolabear:
As for me, I don't care about the launcher it uses (touchwiz or sense) cuz I use launcherpro ( really something, you need to try it out). And I don't really care about updates because I will just root :P. Also this time, samsung released the s2 with gingerbread, which is the latest software so it will at least get ics and that's good enough for me :). Also I've seen the s2 in action and it flies (same with evo 3D). So my deciding factor will be if the s2 has a keyboard or not ( I want my s2 to be thin!)
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
There is more to sense than the launcher.

Tapa tapa tapa
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Imagine that, SGS2 has a thread right now as we speak, with I would say more than 90% of the people complaining about there gps either totally not working, or really flaky. Saying it recognizes 10 satellites but just wont lock on to any of them. Like my first two words of this post, IMAGINE THAT.
[HTC EVO 3D] mlin:
Sounds like an appropriate successor to the sgs1.

Tapa tapa tapa