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[Galaxy 3 General] Giosiken:
So its. The hardware related, there's nothing we can do, maybe overclocking the cpu
[Galaxy 3 General] kiran86:
ya it does seem a hardware issue..
[Galaxy 3 General] rohit3221:
The stock video player played some vids out of sync for me...but i switched to mvideoplayer...didnt face that issue since then....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I have to say my Omnia 7 doesn't sound nearly as good as my Zune HD. I know nothing beats a dedicated player but I would have thought something about the Zune technology would have played a role in making my phone a decent music player.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pezley:
There has been a topic on this before, the Omnia 7 is terrible for audio. It severely lacks any bass. I have tried with low end phones like Senheiser CX300, midrange Shure SE210's ) and high end Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10's and the only ones which produce any reasonable bass are the Ultimate ears, but they have their own dedicated bass drivers, so either they are doing some extra work or the Omnia is not distributing the bass frequently properly to standard headphones. Not really sure what can be done about it but it's definitely making me want to drop my omnia for a HD7 or something else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
wrong. sorry pezley but i have to disagree, peew971, i made a thread a while ago and this is what i discovered. in short, the supplied headphones are rubbish. you need to buy a better pair. it really is as simple as that. i borrowed 2 different pairs of headphone from a friend, one was in ear and the other was over the ear and the sound is Incredible! you just need a decent pair. unfortunately, the headphones i borrowed were very expensive, but it proved to me that the omnia 7 is a very capable audio player. the bass and treble were fantastically balanced, great thumping bass and crystal clear treble. dont make the same mistake i did, try, headphones out before buying a pair. the overall volume output on the omina is quite low, ( but it can be changed) so when getting a new pair of headphones look at their DB rating and go for a loud pair as well. it is highly advisable to find a store who `might` let you use their headphones as a test. i bought the sennheiser 400 CX II for £40 and althought the bass is awesome the mid and treble arnt that great. but anyway, the sound coming out of the omnia 7 is great but to get that great sound you must get a DECENT pair of headphones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Actually yesterday I got a pair of Beats Solo HD that I tested on a iPod Nano. The Nano sounded 10 times better so I doubt it's just about headphones. Has anyone compared the sound on other WP7 and is the issue really specific to the Omnia? Could be sonething with the OS, no?
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
I listen to music on my HD7 quite a lot and my headphones (in ear from sony) were quite cheap. Something around 25 Euros. But I have to say the sound is great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
thats very interesting peew971, something i will have to check up on. i tried my headphones on a different mp3 player and the sound was maybe a bit louder but definately not better. but thats just in my case. my headphones (sennheiser 400 CX II) on both my phone and mp3 player is bassy with average mid and treble. still im convinced the the sound from the omnia 7 is brilliant if you have a good pair of headphones. perhaps spending another small fortune is the way to get the best out of it :( i honestly dont think that i could get a better sound from any other device if the right headphones are used. the headphones i tested them on were Shure E530PTH, and Grado SR80.... and both produced amazing quality on the omnia 7, i really dont think anyone would complain with these.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
I own both a LG Optimus 7 and an Omnia 7.

I use one of the best bud headphones available: AKG K319 (I find them far better than the Shure or Senn CX400 for instance, especially for medium and bass).

I have to say that the sound of the LG Optimus 7 is indeed better. It's actually pretty good for a smartphone.

There is something wrong with the bass on the Omnia 7. They are not dynamic enough.

I would be glad to get Samsung's feedback on this.

...

Also (but this is another problem) the Omnia never displayed the Album art of my records (it appears in the Collection menu but not when playing). Weird. There are the same music files as on my LG Optimus 7 and have been properly tagged.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Just to add from a technical perspective, there are different qualities of headphone amps built into various smartphones and media players. A device with a lower-quality headphone amp will not sound that good even with the best headphones.

Unfortunately, this sort of thing doesn't show up in reviews too often.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Thank you guys... So is this something Samsung can improve with an update or is it pretty much a hardware issue?
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
i suspect it is both however i must stress that you need a good pair of headphones for the Omnia 7. sadly, good headphones can be quite expensive. like i said before , the standard headphones are rubbish, the pair i bought (Sennheiser 400 CX II, £40) had fantastic bass but the treble and midtones were not great. i was a bit worried about the sound coming out of the omnia 7 after that was considering swapping it for a HD7, but that was until i tried these two headphones Shure E530PTH (£300) and Grado SR80 (£100) on my phone. These headphones made my omnia 7 audio sound awesome with great bass and crystal clear treble extreemly well balanced. what i really need to do now is to use those same headphones on another player of some sort, i know for a fact that the omnia 7 is generally but again a louder pair of headphones will help.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The HD7 is just as terrible as far as sound is concerned. I think it may be a driver issue. Through the headphones they sound okay, but the phone speakers are just borderline useless...
[Windows Phone 7 General] bennyj71:
What about the HTC sound enhancer? I got a Focus, but I've never seen anyone mention it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
interesting point about the hd7, i heard it was susposed to be very good. Yesterday i decided to try my sennheiser 400 CX II headphones on an mp3 player of mine, and sure enough it was louder than the omnia 7 but not better in terms of sound quality, unfortunately, i now believe that to get the best sound out of the omnia 7 you must buy a decent pair of headphones otherwise it wont sound good. heres a strange twist to the original omnia 7 poor sound question. perhaps the omnia 7 sound is so good that it shows up how poor some headphones really are? perhaps someone else out there has a high quality pair of phones to confirm. the two i tried were Shure E530PTH, and Grado SR80 and and omnia 7 excelled with these to, but then again, 1 cost £100 (grado) and the other cost £300 (shure) low end headphones just dont cut it on the Omnia 7, mine £40 have great bass but that it. another pair of Sennheiser cost £80 and sounded pretty good and much clearer than mine..so basically, you get what you pay for. an pair of £20 headphone will sound rubbish on the omnia 7. get the hint?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
If you read my earlier story I used £170 Beats on the Omnia 7 for poor result. On an iPod/iPhone the sound is amazing. I wish I still had my Zune HD to compare but the bottom line is the sound on the Omnia 7 isn't good.

Now if we start getting the same stories on HTC phones maybe the issue lies deeper in WP7 itself. We need more input from HTC, LG and Dell users.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It actually IS good, N8ter talks about "phone speakers". You wouldn't listen to music via the speaker intended for ringtones, would you?

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd7-review-542p6.php

Omnia 7 is considerably worse, although note that it's on par with SGS and way better than, say, Desire HD which is total unusable crap due to horrible crosstalk:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8700_omnia_7-review-522p5.php

Basically, the major problem here is that there's no equalizer. Since the audio is quiet, you need sensitive headphones to hear everything that the phone outputs, and can't compensate that by EQ settings.

Overall, it's ultimately amazing to see HTC outperform Samsung in this area. Samsung is the company that supplies audio chips to Apple for iPhones and iPods.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nakazul:
Samsung have a lot of buggs on there WP7 device, so maybe the sound is also a issue. Luckely for me i have expensive headphones so i feel i have good audio. Got Beyerdynamic's DT 77p Pro 250 OHM.

Sent from my Omnia 7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
You can check out the gsmarena links in my post above to see that it's not the case.

Actually, I tried WM, Android and WP7 on my HD2. I had previously thought that software can't make a huge difference apart from some limited equalization and volume level tweaks and that it was all down to the DAC and the analog amp.

However, installing WP7 on HD2 was a true shocker, it sounded very well, while with both WM and Android I thought it was utterly useless as a player.

I have no idea why though. Basically, codecs can't really change anything with regard to mp3 playback. Since HD2 had a hacked custom ROM there were no device-specific tweaks. Go figure.

I'm fairly happy with my Mozart (using Westone 3 as the headphones). iPhone 4 is better but its equalizer is much more limited so your ability to adjust sound to your particular taste isn't that great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
HP is licencing the Beats technology for their devices. Not everyone will agree about the quality of that tech (I personally think it's great) but I wish a WP7 OEM would come up with the same sort of deal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well HTC licenses SRS, so if you're into this type of sound embellishments you can have them on WP7. It's hard to make available on all phones because it is hardware dependant.
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
nakazul also agrees with me, you need Decent headphones! heres another test you could try. Connect your omnia 7 to a Proper stereo system via a 3.5 male to male connection, and see what it sounds like. ( yes it will be quiet we know that but what about the quality. again, the sound system needs to be a good one. let us know how you get on. or someone else try it. i have a £15 set so my speakers are rubbish. all i know is that good headphones make a huge difference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] liquidiq:
The LG Optimus 7 has a Wolfson headphone amplifier on it, which is going to give a nice bump in power output over the other devices. It still uses the integrated codec build into the Qualcomm CPU, which is the root of the problem.

If companies used an external codec (like Galaxy S, iPhone) you will get significantly better audio quality.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enoch861:
I have both the ZuneHD and the HTC HD7 coupled with Klipsch Image S2's and I have to say, the HD7 sounds very very good. The HD7 sounds so good that I often use it over my ZuneHD solely because the SRS enhancement just does its magic to the sound and it sounds peculiar. Now, it also comes down to the bitrate of the songs. The higher the bitrate, the better they sound.

Going back to the question of whether sound quality is software or hardware dependent: The short answer would be its hardware dependent. The not so longer answer would be that if the software doesn't correctly utilize the hardware, you could potentially end up with terrible sound. Also, headphones matter. The OEM HTC earphones are actually above average for bundled earphones, but as we all should know, if we want better sound quality, we have to look at aftermarket solutions.

Now, I haven't owned any of the other WP7 handsets, but I can assure you, the HD7 has sound quality that actually astonishes me, also granted HTC had to do some magic to also get Sound Enhancer to work..
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
My Focus sounds outstanding. But I use high-end canalphones like Shure SE530, Klipsch Image X10, X5, UE Triple fi-10s and so forth. But I also found the SQ of my HD7 to be quite excellent also. So, as one other poster said, it does make a difference about the earphones you use. Invest in a high-end set of phones...avoid the Triples as they tend to be quite delicate and imbalance-prone...and see the difference. Make sure to get them from a factory authorized seller, too, if you do invest in them.

EDIT - Eh...I just did a comparison of a particular song on 3 different DAPs, Cowon D2, iPod Nano 3G and this Focus. I have each unit set to flat or neutral for any sound enhancement. I booted up the same song on each player and listened for about 1 minute to each player and unplugged the phones and plugged them into another unit and listened for about 1 minute. Each minute I listened to the same song on a different unit. The phones I'm currently using are the UE Triple fi-10.

The music format for each player is as follows:

Samsung Focus - (LAME encoder) MP3@VBR240 (v.0)

Cowon D2 - FLAC

iPod Nano 3G - (Nero encoder) AAC@VBR300

There is definitely a reduction in SQ with the Focus as compared to the D2 and Nano. The SQ of the Focus is not as crisp or defined and tends to be rather muddy. However, without comparing to better players, the SQ of the Focus is more than good enough. It just isn't excellent like I thought it was till I compared it. I wish I had done this my HD7. I might do it with my Inspire. And I will do it with my iPhone. I have confidence the iPhome will shine because it is basically a music player with built-in phone functionality.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fsrkewd:
What will happen when you pair it with the bluetooth headset?

The sound quality depends on the phone itself or the bluetooth device?(assume they use the same earbud)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It depends on both. There have been some complaints about audio quality, while I've had very positive experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's the thing with wireless tech. You are crippled by the hardware quality of most wireless audio producing devices. The wireless device, itself, will create the SQ instead of the source unit. If anyone uses a high-end set of phones with a high-end source and uses a low quality wireless device to connect the source and phones, you are limited in SQ to whatever the wireless device can produce. It basically has to be a DAP and interlink all in one for there to be any high-end SQ. It is also crippled by the signal transmission quality. The only thing a wireless device can do is take the digital source signal and process it with its circuitry to pass it on to the phones. It's basically acting as a source, pre-amp and amp as well as a DAC all in one unit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mo3ulla:
it is mostly hardware ..

small example HTC 7 Surround .

external DSP . TI manufacturer .. external amp .. in the end nice .. but not long .. sound xD :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
thanks for doing the test. i used Shure E530PTH, and Grado SR80 and thought the sound was excellent but it seems the sound is even better when these phones are used on something other than the omnia 7. problem now is that there is no way im gonna spend £300 on a pair of headphones..... ill have to keep looking for a reasonably priced pair.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Because the OP was specifically talking about using a phone as a music player and comparing it to Zune HD.

External speaker quality and ringtone/alarm loudness are important topics, but different from what's being discussed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enoch861:
There is the problem with your comparison!

You CAN'T compare FLAC to MP3 VBR240 or AAC VBR300. You just can't. Why? Because FLAC is obviously going to kill because its a completely lossless format! You could have loaded all the devices with lossless but you didn't. That fact in of itself invalidates your comparison entirely because its not fair.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ammarmalik:
OK I've used Sony MDR-V6 with my HTC Desire, Omnia 7 and Nexus S. The Omnia 7 had slightly better bass and it was slightly clearer than the Desire. Overall they were both pretty awful for such a high end headset.

The nexus S however is just on another level. It's by far the best sound quality I've heard on a cellphone and it does my Sony headphones justice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] liquidiq:
Lame V0 is going to hard to distinguish from FLAC on a set of earbuds, same with that high of AAC bitrate. I would say his comparison is OK, because the Cowon D3 and the iPod Nano have great external codecs, unlike the Focus, so minute differences between the audio playback won't make much of a difference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enoch861:
But you have to remember, he's using Ultimate Ears Triple Fi-10's. Those are some pretty high end earphones right there! So yes, its very very easy to distinguish FLAC from LAME or AAC.

I understand that the dedicated players used external DAC's but his point was trying to see the audio quality difference from the phone and the players. And throwing a lossless format to an external DAC and a super lossy format to a non-external/(whatever it is) DAC is no where near a good comparison at all.

But like I said before, IF he was to do a fair comparison, he would have put FLAC on the Cowon, Apple Lossless on the Nano and WMA Lossless on the Focus (in a perfect world, he would use the same format/file across all three players). After THAT is when you would be able to come up with quantifying results that are meaningful.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I agree with this. LAME v.0 is a superb MP3 format and is better than the AAC@VBR300 I'm using on the Nano. But still, the Nano sounded much better than the Focus, with defined notes, crisp and clean sound. I use LAME v.0 on some of my other DAPs as well and they all seem to have a glorious sound.

I think I will get out my Zune 8 and do a comparison. I use WMA10Pro@VBR320, I think it is. It tends to be a nice sounding format.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The ZuneHD doesn't have an external speaker (rhetorical)?

Those two topics are totally related (and aren't really separate qualities, TBQH), especially when you factor in other phones are fine as far as external speaker quality, volume, and clarity are concerned.

Even with a decent headset the sound quality is inferior to many of other high end smartphones like Galaxy S and iPhone.

I wonder if Samsung will ship their Galaxy player with uber ****ty speakers and tell users to buy a $100 headset/earbuds if they complain about the sound volume/quality. I'm willing to think not...
[Windows Phone 7 General] liquidiq:
Nexus S uses a high-end Wolfson external codec :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] liquidiq:
Zune and Nano will sound better than the Focus, they both use external codecs. Depending on the year the Nano will either use a Cirrus Logic or a Wolfson. The Zune will use a Wolfson codec.
[Windows Phone 7 General] liquidiq:
Yes, in a perfect world everyone would just use FLAC and we wouldn't have to use MP3 ;) Of course, in my world everything would be recorded in 24bit too, but we're not there.... yet.

I think the moral of this story is that we as consumers should demand much better audio with our phones, as for many, many people they are our only DAP!

/off soapbox
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Did a little digging and no wonder the Nano 3G sounds so good. It does use a Wolfson chip, the WM1870, to be exact. Strangely, though, regarding the iPhones, the first two, the original iPhone and the iPhone 3G, used Wolfson chips. The last two, the 3GS and 4 use Cirrus chips. I have no DAP experience with Cirrus chips so I can't say one way or the other how they affect audio reproduction.
[Windows Phone 7 General] liquidiq:
The Cirrus chips are good, but Wolfson has a "sound" that is preferred a lot of the time. I'd still take a Cirrus over the integrated codec on the SoC ;)
[Desire General] chasabi:
Title says it a really. I know this has been asked before (the last being Feb 2011 if my searches are correct) but we have had updates and new ROMs since then.

I have mainly used Oxygen and GingerVillian and don't seem to be able to get more that 24 hours out of my battery. My phone is only about 7-8 months old so I don't think it is the battery. I can't believe the official Desire battery life in standby is 340 hours! That's almost 2 weeks.... I'd be happy if I could get 2 days! I know it depends on certain parameters i.e. phone usage, signal, etc. but I would expect at least 2 days under medium useage if standby time is supposed to be 2 weeks!

Also does anyone see an improvement or decline in battery life from Froyo to Gingerbread?

Thanks all
[Desire General] Tuxi91:
Im using Redux and its really smooth and stable rom. Also the batterylife on the stock kernel is awesome. On this charge I've been playing for an hour or so Gamedev Story and been listening to some music as well making calls and sms. 24h on battery, 60% battery left. Night is the only time I shutdown the data connections and besides the night it syncs Google, Facebook and weather every hour. I would definately recommend this rom.
[Desire General] dogstar55:
Oxygen, works great for me, and great battery life.
[Desire General] navdra:
Oxygen FTW. Besides good battery life, fast as hell, too!
[Desire General] aswinarun:
Sometimes even swaping kernels might get you a better battery life. I use CM7 RC2 with couttstech kernel which is gud for my case..!!
[Desire General] SterAllures:
I haven't tried Oxygen yet but I'm currently using Ginger Villain

With Android 2.3 Gingerbread with almost the latest CM7

And the battery is just incredible. I think it can easily last 2 days with normal use(checking mail, whatsapp, checking some websites)

My phone is now a year old.

I've also flashed another kernel which supports 124mhz to 1119mhz (If I'm correct).

Also another friend of mine has the same rom and his battery also lasts very long and he has his phone even longer than me.

I find it odd you can't get 24 hours out of Ginger Villain. Maybe it is your kernel?

I can tell you it has a better battery life as the MIUI Roms have.
[Desire General] narse:
It might also be worth trying different radios as they can effect battery too.
[Desire General] akoutsakas:
can u use htc facebook sync on reduxe? it's no sense rom right?

can't u only use htc widget on sense?

i am lloking for a stable good rom (2.3 would be great) but i need facebook sync on calendar and contacts.
[Desire General] shan1392:
Oxygen ftw!

But I miss sense. :(

Switching back to stock. >_<
[Desire General] franchu29:
redux for me

Enviado desde mi HTC Desire usando Tapatalk
[Desire General] chongo_au:
I have been using Oxygen, great battery life (almost 2 days) and its very fast, but I've been getting reboots/bootloops every few days.

Anyone else experienced this, and would Redux be more stable?

Cheers
[Desire General] DTBrum:
I'm using Redux too. Battery life is excellent.
[Desire General] shan1392:
Oxygen FTW! :D
[Desire General] dallholio:
I'm finding Ginger Villain equal to Oxygen for battery, although I think I only started using Eviollet's 1.3 kernel after I swapped which is a big help.

Much friendlier threads though for GV and no random reboots has made me stick with it.

Dabbled with data++ and ginger new sense roms recently and battery is sufficient, but not as good as AOSP
[Desire General] Meaple:
I currently used CM7 RC4 with coutts .38 HAVS CFS kernel. Battery life is great. I do charge it up everyday but I do play games quite a bit but if I leave it on standby, I can get a couple of days out of it.

I had stock sense last month and I uninstalled just about everything and fit the rom onto the sense hboot, from that, I managed to get about 80 hours of battery life out of it with light usage.
[Desire General] killingflowers:
I'm using ginger villain, not noticed to big of a change from the stock 2.2 tbh.

Is redux stable enough? Heard mixed reports