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[Thunderbolt Accessories] DontCome2MyHouse:
Anyone else notice from the stock Otterbox pics that there is NO cut-out on the back, upper left region...right above the LED flash part of the camera? There are two very small holes. They are covered by the Otterbox case, but not the Seidio case.

That's why I bought the Seidio. I'm not sure of the purpose of those two tiny holes, but Seidio thought it was important enough not to cover them up.

My $.02 cents
[Thunderbolt Accessories] You.:
Anyone have one of these and an inductive charging back? I'd love to know if the back works with this case.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Mystery252:
I think its for the antenna.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] DontCome2MyHouse:
Either that or mic holes. Either way I'm glad I didn't wait for the Otterbox.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] happimeal:
So i'll make sure in the future any phone I post about, to research and make sure theres not a simliar or different named european counterpart in existence.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] nsmac84:
Yay

sent from my thunder
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Breezer23:
If the outer membrane is the same silicone they used in the past then enjoy all the lint it'll pick up. Only thing holding me back from buying
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ethan.r.besbris:
Again, the European HTC Incredible S came out first.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Shumthang:
I've been thinking about investing in this case. May just have to wait until best buy carries it because I get employee discount :)

Sent from my TB yo.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] rafaelvelasquez2:
man its about time.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] robitj11:
First the seido, now this. I am not sure which to choose. I like to use my extended life battery, though....:)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bill3508:
Just got mine put on. It's a nice case and if your rough on your phone then this is what you want. The cut out for the speaker opening is perfect and very easy to open. It does make the phone bulky obviously. The rubber hatches for the data and aux locations seem to seal perfectly. So far beyond the bulkiness it seems like a very nice case.

Sent from rooted Thunderbolt, Liquid Thundersense 1.5
[Thunderbolt Accessories] happimeal:
Hopefully its as durable and well made as the Iphone 3gs case. Before I got saved and left Iphone, I had mine it an otterbox for about 1 1/2 years, and when I finally took it out and sold it, was like brand new still.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] fbm111:
Is the rubber sticky? Will it slide in and out of a pocket easy or not?

Thanks!
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cloudsnightmare:
Just got mine in. Makes my phone a brick. Hard to get the kickstand out if you have no fingernails.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
Got mine today as well. This thing is huge! Fits the Tbolt well though and it's a nice fit with the holster but man it's a honkin' thing. Typical Otterbox Defender series IMO. I should add that I don't like the fact that when I press on the screen on the front I get some residue left that is visible (especially when the screen is off or black in that area.)

Here's a pic:
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bill3508:
The rubber isn't really sticky. I don't think you would have any problem with that.

Sent from rooted Thunderbolt, Liquid Thundersense 1.5
[Thunderbolt Accessories] zeeza57:
According to HTC the video Mic is by the camera. For a temporary sound fix for video recordings cover 1 of the mics. It does work.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cloudsnightmare:
The rubber is fine. As well as video recording sound, nothing is covered that hampers anythig. Screen protector doesnt cover the front mic, and the cover doesnt feel too bad.

All the rubber inserts fit beautifully, also makes the phone easier to grip. Overall im impressed.

EDIT: Let it be duely noted that I dont really like audio jack plug. Hard to it out if you dont have any fingernails.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] mcimo88:
I might need to get one of these. My phone fell off my desk today, but luckily it was fine.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] mikec86:
How does this compare to Seidio Convert?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Phoenix111:
I just put mine on, but I also have the Seidio Rugged/Convert- whatever they're calling it now. I think the seidio case is actually more bulky. The defender allows for a little better grip and easier access to the kickstand than the rugged. The big advantage here is the built in screen protector, but it doesn't cover the entire screen lime the one for my incredible did ( has a cut out for the audio mic at the top of the phone.)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] mikec86:
Thanks for the info. I had the Seidio rugged on my incredible but it seems like the rubber gets slick and worn out rather quickly. I ordered the defender for my TB. Are you gonna remove the built in screen protector?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bill3508:
This is the only problem I see with it as dust can still get in through that top opening. Other than that its great.

Sent from Thunderbolt, Liquid Thundersense 1.5
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Phoenix111:
Nay, I kept it on and even put it on top of the screen protector I already had on the phone. Even with that, screen degradation is minimal in my opinion.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] mordakk:
I hope they make a commuter version of the Otterbox for the Thunderbolt. Any word on it yet?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] mallen462:
Where did u order yours?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
Straight from the Otter. :)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
Upon request I'm posting a bunch of pics of the case:
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
More for the masses.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
More Otter goodness:
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
The final batch:
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Zomb!e:
Thanks for the pics Cubs!

Sent from Zeus' Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Accessories] namurt:
i'm torn between the otterbox defender and the seidio active x.

some say that the otterbox has a more snug fit, and perhaps even a slightly better build quality. i think the only thing making me shy away from the otterbox is the built-in screen protector. i'm going to use a steinheil oleophobic, so i don't want the otterbox protector on top of that.

how difficult is it to remove the built-in protector on the otterbox?

and one last question, any idea as to whether there will be a commuter series for the tb? (and if so, when?)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
I have both cases and I really like the fit of the Active X over the Otter for daily use but the Otter does serve its purpose as a durable case (I know when I travel I will use the Otter case because I believe it'll provide much more protection against damage than the Active.) I don't consider the defender to be pocket sized (it's much more bulky IMO than the Seidio case...but again for protection that's a good thing.) The plastic shield is attached by what looks like a gummy substance so I think it would be pretty easy to remove. I have a Zagg shield on my Bolt so I don't really need the protective cover either but I haven't removed it yet.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] rclark27:
I think you will find the built-in protector very easy to remove. I removed them on the Otter cases on my HD2 and iPhone and I expect it will be the same when I get the case for my TB.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] freddie813:
Thanks so much for the pictures! What a tough decision! Lol
[Thunderbolt Accessories] n0thing2bdone:
i wonder why this was so late, and how they expect to sell it at that price at this point
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bd1212:
So is this all hard plastic or is there some silicone/rubbery piece that goes on the phone as well?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Cubs2008:
The peice on the far right of my initial pic (the one where all four peices are spread out) is rubber.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Chris5135:
i just ordered the otterbox, i just hope it doesnt add too much bulk
[Thunderbolt Accessories] gh0ul:
Okay so Ive been using the otterbox for my TB for a couple of days now. This is my first otterbox product and overall, i am satisfied.

Here's what i think:

-my phone is huge with it on, not complaining. feels like a tank though! :D

-mixed feelings with the screen protector. feels pretty cheap (thought it was part of the packaging) and i lose some touch sensitivity (still alright though)

-like i said before, it looks and feels very durable (no testing done).
[Thunderbolt Accessories] infamousxsniper:
I agree with that screen protector comment... That is why I removed mine and stuck with my original screen protector.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] mr.pope:
Did the screen protector remove easily and cleanly?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] infamousxsniper:
Yes sir, it is just glued on and all you have to do it push it out gently. Then just take the rest of the bits of glue off with your finger. Nothing to it.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] 0pusX:
Per Otterbox Facebook Page: "No, we will only be offering the Defender Series for the Thunderbolt."
[Thunderbolt Accessories] wgoeken:
As nice as it looks, it just looks so dang bulky... I'd like to see a case like this that isn't quite so thick.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Mystery252:
Its smaller than Seidio's big case. Or it feels that way to me.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] nbdysreal:
Well i only got through about 8 of the pages, so if this has been posted, sorry. Ebay has them from reputable sellers for 35+ with free shipping. I just ordered mine.

For those that have never had an otterbox, its well worth the investment. I dropped my blackberry and Incredible countless times to no scratches or anything. Year warranty that they don't even really question if you call for a replacement, they just ship out the case. My friend even accidentally drove over his iPhone and the case kept it safe. The little added size for almost no extra weight is well worth it to me.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] civichater:
Vzw's just got these in stock at their warehouse. Free shipping and a discount if you have your corporate discount set up. The model number if you call vzw is vzw6400wcas
[Thunderbolt Accessories] dr_acula:
I tried it for about a week, it made the phone to big and uncomfortable to carry around in my pocket. Other than that, great case.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] gcantrell:
That is awesome! Once it reaches the warehouse, how long does it take to get it on their website or in the stores?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] FcoT:
my favorite case, I hope that it won't take much longer for their extended battery model
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bcblount:
I have the rugged Seidio case. It is bulky, but with my job I need the added protection, besides the fact that I have butter for hands. What is the difference between this one and the otterbox defender?

sent from my Ginger BAMF'd 'Bolt
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ddrj:
Anyone know when the commuter series is coming out? The defender series is too big and bulky for me...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] elir41:
I don't think Otterbox is making a commuter case for the Thunderbolt.

I wish they did, though.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bhowell423:
Verizon Store now carrying the otterbox for the Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Accessories] lostnuke:
this one looks nice
[Thunderbolt Accessories] C@rn@ge:
How did they come about using the word "otter"?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] hunterxkovach:
picked up the last one two days ago at the store near my house. works great for me on the construction job site, i dont feel paranoid about destroying my phone anymore.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] TheRedmonian:
I didn't even know this was out there. I've been looking for a case like this forever. Thanks a million!!!!
[Thunderbolt Accessories] freddie813:
Thanks for the update! Looks like I'll go check it out now and see how I like it! :D
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Wayloss:
Have had the Defender Otterbox for about a week now. I love it for work, I had a Zagg shield and the sedio soft touch case from launch till now. Zagg shield is still on and works fine. I only use the defender for work, and switch cases for the day off to one far less bulky.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ddgarcia05:
Damn otterbox. We had to wait months for them to release a case and evo 3d already has both a badass commuter case and defender case out.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] guerrillastyle:
Just poped mine on, nice heafty case, the screen protector is a little weird, you get a double tap when you typing and using the phone…may take some getting use to, or I'll just pull it out.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] stayin100:
got mine today. A defender is a must for any smart phone... Huge case, great clip though. I only use this case when I am wearing dress cloths, if im wearing jeans Ill through it back in my qmadixs sp? case unless im goin out to the bars lol, then i deal with it
[Thunderbolt Accessories] razrielle:
Just got mine today, adds quite a bit of bulk to the phone, but Im loving it. We will see how well it does on my next deployment
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bond32:
I've been using the otterbox cases for a long time now. I have taken a different step with the TB though and gone with the seidio convert. I like the idea of taking the extra part off when you need it, plus the innocase is such a good case its hard to beat.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] gissentml:
Check out a video review here

http://gadgetu.net/otterbox-defender-for-htc-thunderbolt-review/
[Thunderbolt Accessories] 4LC4PON3:
I have the otterbox defender I love it. It does add some bulk to the phone but that I can deal with to protect my TB. I did not like the stock screen protector that came on the Otterbox so I tore it out and I am using my current Screen protector that I bought from Verizon.

The stock Screen protector on the Otterbox is horrid, It dulls the brightness and colors. It also does not feel right using it & it makes the touch screen less sensitive.

Overall the case is superb as long as you take off the stock protector.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] flat4inrc:
I agree the stock protector sucks and I wish that it fit flush with the.screen. its like I have audible touch sounds enabled.

However, this case is the definition of beast mmode
[Thunderbolt Accessories] chrootz:
I saw otterbox defender for TB. It looks too bulk compare to the seidio platinum defense series (It has 3 layers protection). I bought it from bestbuy and it was worthwhile.

I work at UPS, I had several package hit my TB and My TB did not get any dent or damage.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] mallen462:
I finally decided to get mine it works great just took a while to get use to
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bond32:
I broke down and purchased one to try it out. My thoughts? Biggest piece of crap Otterbox has put out yet. First case I bought as soon as I put it on the glue didn't hold the screen protector tight so it bowed up in the center, creating about 1/2 inch up of protector. Second one was better but still same problem. I have owned many of these and this is the worst one. Given I did like the improvements they made in size and the feel of the rubber....
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stiles89:
my phone will not turn on at all .it wont go into download mode. Am i permantley brick need help asap
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sepherian:
MORE DETAILS

Your welcome

Now you say/press thanks

Teaching manners one person at a time
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jemack:
And less vague please.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrhaley30705:
<incoming psychic vision> there is the purchase of a jig in your future....

Sent from a place my wife doesn't know about (yet)
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bulletproof1013:
I second that motion. All who agree say "I"
[Android Apps and Games] geokilla:
There's so much hype on Live Profile lately and it's not even BBM for Android and iOS. It seems that everyone is flocking to Live Profile and completely forgot Kik Messenger. Is it that much better? Kik Messenger is the one that brought "BBM to Android and iOS" yet it seems that Kik is not nearly as popular as Live Profile.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gloomyandy:
Hi,

I can't post in the dev forum (not enough posts), so I've stated a thread here. Wiht RC4 and the latest nightly I have a problem with Bluetooth pairing. When I attempt to pair to a selected device (either another phone or my car system), I get the pairing pin dialog displayed and ca start to enter the pin, but the keyboard is only displayed for approx 10 seconds, if I try really hard I can get a simple four digit pin entered and the pairing works, but for other pins there is not sufficient time! It seems as if there is some sort of timeout that is not long enough. If I just leave the pin dialog displayed (without the keyboard), that will also be removed after 10 seconds.

I'm using the latest radio firmware (same problem with older versions), and I've tried using the older rll file from the dev thread (no change in the problem).

Is anyone else having this problem? I'm currently grabbing the source from the github to try and work out what might be going on, but it seems a slow process. Let me know if I can provide any further information.

Andy
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gloomyandy:
Hi,

So can anyone confirm that the pairing dialog works fine for them with this rom?

Andy
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stransky:
Hi Andy

Yes pairing works with my iPhone 3GS (Jailbroken) but will not connect. I think that in my case it is the iPhone that is at fault because it would not connect to my previous LG mobile although it paired ok.

Stransky

(Douglas Barr)
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gloomyandy:
Hi Thanks for the feed back. If you have time could you try the following. Remove the pairing from your phone and then try pairing again. I assume your Wildfire will display the enter pin dialog box. If so just leave it one the display. How long does it stay there for? On my phone it only stays there for about 10 seconds. Does it stay displayed for longer than that on your phone?

Thanks for your help

Andy
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gloomyandy:
Well I've managed to get my phone paired with my car. Basically by typing very very fast! That way I can just get the pin entered in the ten seconds available. So I can now use cm7. Would still like a proper fix for this is anyone has one. I did take a look at the log files but couldn't see any obvious errors...

Andy
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mas23:
Dear all :

I have same problem with my Streak 5

I'm try to pairing but no connection with car bluetooth

a you can help me on my e-mail please :

mas@mas-mail.net

thanks to your help
[HTC Incredible S] DaanJordaan:
Just tried my Beats By Dr Dre Studio headphones. The sound quality is already great, although you do get a little noise after you press the pause button. Or after a notification is played. This is probably due to Android's internal media player component which needs to get some kind of "stop command" or something.

Anyway, it's not noticable while playing so it's no big deal...

Eventually, while playing around I hit the little SRS button...

HOLY ****...

It sounds unbelievable. Played some Tribe Called Quest and a bit of Prodigy, because these headphones are quite bassy and tuned for this kind of music.

Turn it on guys! You won't regret it.

Oh, and buy some proper headphones of course:)
[HTC Incredible S] TimMun:
Is a pretty good option for audio enhancement, but only for proper headphones (and not earbuds ^^)
[Android Apps and Games] jkabaseball:
I'm come across a lot of people that want to get MLB At Bat 11 working fully on all devices. Currently everything works fine except you can't stream the live games unless you have an approved device. I have a DROID2 that works fine, took the apk, and put it on my Nook Color, and chagned the build.prop to the verizon galaxy tab, another approved device, and it doesn't give me the option to watch the games. Anyone have an idea?
[Android Apps and Games] boast:
where is the list of handsets that have been approved for steaming? I have a Samsung Vibrant and bought the app but have not seen the streaming option. yes, i'm a MLB.tv subscriber.
[Android Apps and Games] safeplayer22:
Go to the market and look for the app and it will have a list of devices that are compatible for streaming live video.
[Android Apps and Games] jkabaseball:
They say that more devices will come, but I'm not sure why it isn't on all devices. I'm thinking it is a network reason, not to flood the bandwidth right away. Think it should be a pretty quick fix.
[Android Apps and Games] phoffer:
They mention needing flash, so could that be why some devices aren't there? I'm not up to date on which devices are on 2.2 by now
[Android Apps and Games] jkabaseball:
most devices have it now. I have flash on all my devices and Flash works great.
[Android Apps and Games] SpiffyRob:
Just to consolidate some info from other threads (good call on opening this one up in the general section, jkabaseball.)

Devices supported:

Sprint HTC Evo, Verizon HTC Droid Incredible, Verizon Motorola Droid X, Verizon Motorola Droid, Verizon Motorola Droid 2, Verizon Motorola Droid Pro, Verizon HTC Thunderbolt, Samsung Galaxy Tab, HTC Nexus One, T-Mobile Samsung Nexus S, T-Mobile HTC Glacier (myTouch 4G). Minimum OS 2.2 and Installed Flash.

build.prop hack tried (this was an attempt to get a Nook to spoof a Galaxy Tab)

ro.build.fingerprint=google/passion/passion:2.3.3/GRI40/102588:user/release-keys

to

ro.build.fingerprint=samsung/GT-P1000/GT-P1000/GT-P1000:2.2/FROYO/XXJJ3:user/release-keys

I also tried to pull a logcat while the app was starting up, but didn't see anything that looked helpful in there. If someone with more knowledge of this would like me to post that, let me know.

The only other opening I can think of is perhaps more of the build.prop needs to be edited in order to convince the app you're running a supported device. There are definitely more parts of it that could, in theory, be used to identify the device, but I was under the impression that ro.build.fingerprint was all that really mattered. If someone with more experience messing around with build.prop could weigh in, that'd be awesome.
[Android Apps and Games] jkabaseball:
It has to also be a device and carrier setting somewhere. The galaxy tab works if you have the verizon one, but no other one. I'm not sure how much it helps, but more information the better. I don't see verizon mentioned in the ro.build.fingerprint.
[Android Apps and Games] SpiffyRob:
There's all kind of carrier/device stuff in the build.prop. From the one on my Nook:

ro.product.model=NookColor

ro.product.brand=bn

ro.product.name=encore

ro.product.device=encore

ro.product.board=encore

...

...

...

ro.product.manufacturer=bn

And then, perhaps most tantalizing of all...

# ro.build.product is obsolete; use ro.product.device

ro.build.product=encore

That, to me, seems like a decent place to start. The only problem is, lacking a build.prop from a Tab, I'm not sure what anything should be changed to.

As such: Maybe we're going about this backwards. What would be great is if we had someone with a Verizon Tab as a guinea pig. They could then do the following:

1. Secure a build.prop from a T-Mobile Tab.

2. Note which lines in the two build.props are different.

3. One at a time, change a line in the Verizon build.prop to the corresponding TMO build.prop, rebooting and then trying to stream between each one.

4. In theory, once it stops working, the last one that was changed is your culprit.

Failing that, if we could just get our hands on a full Verizon build.prop, we could take a stab at spoofing ALL of the relevant information to the best of our ability.
[Android Apps and Games] jkabaseball:
Going to try this once I can get a build.prop. You think I could extract it up from a ROM or update.zip?
[Android Apps and Games] SpiffyRob:
Yeah, it should just be within /system of any rom you can track down.
[Android Apps and Games] dvinnen:
I got streaming to work on my Vibrant by editing my bulid.prop to spoof the phone as a Nexus S. I didn't experiment with which one is actually getting read by the app but I changed the following (edited with SGS tools):

ro.product.model=Nexus S
ro.product.brand=Google
ro.product.name=sodu
ro.product.device=crespo

After rebooting the phone and launching I got the option to stream a game in the quick menu on the default scoreboard page.