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[Epic 4G General] cadams14:
Grow some balls

I was one that was scared by Direct TV in the day to pay up. I never programmed cards except for family. Once they implemented the New cards past H, & HU cards there was nothing I could do to get past the encryption. However the only ones caught were the ones had a line at their home, like a drug dealer, people that purchased un-loopers from distributors in US. Canada they couldn't do anything about. It was legal to purchase and own, not to program the cards. So they only went after people who had a little something(money in the bank). They used a team of attorneys out of Huston, TX and a state attorney here in Raleigh. So all in all the only one's they got were the ones they scared. I forked over 4K to settle for a civil suit of over 100k in damages and penalties. Remember this deny, deny, deny. There is always a work around. Only reason I am rooted now is to get rid of the stupid built-in apk's that take up resources, and to add mods to improve my phone, stuff the Sprint skin never added. I use data, but not alot unless it is Pandora. I use it so much I am considering getting a monthly subscription. So let them do their best, it will not be enough. Bring it on.
[Epic 4G General] dekeMX:
+1, I agree! 10chars
[Epic 4G General] om3ga1582:
It was the library of congress, and all the said was you have the right to do it for personal use (don't make a business out of it). Because of this you won't get sued for doing it. However, they never said that the manufactures have to make it easy. They can lock it up all they want to keep you from doing so, but if you manage to there isn't much the manufactures can do to you. Also, the ruling is not permanent. The library of congress has to vote on it every 3 years I believe.

I may be a little off on this, but that is basically my understanding of this.
[Epic 4G General] cadams14:
Try this one. It may help some people. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2006956,00.html
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
The Library of Congress has already said that we can root or jailbreak our phones.

If carriers and manufacturers tried to crack-down on this, they would be picking a fight that they REALLY wish they hadn't. Don't draw the ire of your most devoted and technically capable user core. You will pay dearly for it. As a recent example, have any of you had issues with accessing the PlayStation Network? Yeah. Sony picked a fight with the wrong people.
[Epic 4G General] Ma$etas:
where there is a will there will always be a way!

We BUY the phones from the carrier were not renting them were not getting them for free we have to spend our earned money to purchase them that makes the phone ours and as the judge said we can do what we want with them. When we use the phone for tethering were not hurting anyone and we already paid for it when we pay our monthly bill because we pay for data were not receiving it for free how we use it should be our issue. They should focus more on giving us the upgrades we want like android 2.3 or 2.4
[Epic 4G General] punwik:
I agree they are wasting all this time, money, resources to lock us out and screw us over instead of giving us what we need and what we pay for and that is Updates. Just like everything else in this country these days, no amount of money is enough and never will be. I wish everyone would agree to stop using phones that are or will be locked down like this. Then that would really hurt them where it counts, BUT this would never happen. If all of this does occur i will just simply go back to METRO Piece of ****!!!
[Epic 4G General] freekboy:
Not when you have the CEO on TV advertisements claiming such things don't exist on Sprint :)

*whoops, delete me. Thought you were talking about rate limiters and what not. Sorry.
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
I was pissed when I couldn't play last night. I did everything I could on my end before going online and found out "Anonymous" was behind it.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
If tethering's the problem, then they should go after the app on the market, not us.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
After your warranty is up why wouldn't you root? Seems idiotic not to if the companies will no longer support your phone.
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
So anyone who buys a blank CD or DVD or gasp, even a phallus of a hard drive, is a music or movie pirate?

Not everyone who roots tethers. Most of the less technical folks i've rooted for just wanted flashy customizations and ROMS. They couldn't even spell tether. (They know it sounds like tits.... milk cow boobies :) )
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Yah, picking a fight with those that have shown they are better at hacking/coding then your own developers, is never a good idea :D

Yah, Sony is in for a very rude awakening. Wonder how much damage their service and/or reputation will take before something gives.
[Epic 4G General] cerebralzulu:
Wow, reading all of this really makes me wonder why they couldn't put that time and energy into getting us the latest greatest versions of Android operating systems. But on the positive side. If they take as long to get to it as they have with everything else epic related, we should all be on new devices by then :D!
[Epic 4G General] DAvid_B:
Huh?

Meh. Most people saw all this coming and has seen it happing since before this guy felt he had to "warn" us all on 4-2.

I'm really not sure what all the hubub is over something everyone knew about back when this guy decided he couldn't "tell" anyone in October, information that's been all over the place in bits and pieces already since then.

No new news here really. Move along?
[Epic 4G General] drizek:
Absolutely.

They were talking about the lack of Honeycomb source code on the Android Central podcast the other day. Why the hell would you buy a Xoom when you can get an iPad? The only reason is because Android is more open, and the less open they make it the less compelling it becomes.
[Epic 4G General] T-980:
No reason to worry. They lock it, the dev's will find the keys and give us all copies, thus resuming our daily lives.

:cool:
[Epic 4G General] brendan802:
couldn't have said it better

by the way apple sucks
[Epic 4G General] edonnelly:
I'm really starting to wonder where you buy your hardware.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
At the Swype store.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Look how ez it was hack the bios on a xbox to run UNsigned code and run linux, then the 360 was locked down :-(

Sent from my ComBadge..
[Epic 4G General] keith5039756827:
Some one will always find a way around what ever tey throw at us. If it was built it can be torn down.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
I'd pay $30 but only if 4g covered the entire nation and wasn't bogged down to the point of being barely faster than 3g.

Right now I only have 3g and it varies so wildly from the same exact spot that it's not worth a penny as an additional service.
[Epic 4G General] epicslam:
sure their is theft of service... when you root your device and then use that device as a wifi hot spot then you are according to the carrier stealing wifi tethering / mobile hot spot which the carrier charges extra for... So yes you are then doing something illegal.... Granted one can say i pay for data so who cares how i use it or access it....
[Epic 4G General] epicslam:
i dropped my cable and my dsl line as i had both at the same time. I have a 4g Epic and i can talk and surf at the same time.... and i am not on the "in network" (ATT) i am on Sprint! (Take that Iphone). I just keep my data under 8gb per month.
[Epic 4G General] iSaint:
I Think we all saw this coming.... of course companies will start using more security on their products SO.... nothings 100% secure.....
[Epic 4G General] darrinbc:
It also sucks that their top tier plan, the "Simply Everything" plan, doesn't have the option of tethering at any additional cost. That goes directly against the most recent commercial I saw from Sprint talking about how their "Unlimited" services are just that. I laughed out loud as I listened to it the first time.

It has become normal practice nowadays to watch your 'bottom line' and run your business accordingly. To me that is clearly watching your ass. Seems prety obvious to me that if you spend all your time focusing on watching your ass then you can't see the road ahead and you run into all kinds of things that you didn't see coming. You lose any chance of a lead because leaders look forward instead of backward. Leaders know they are leaders.

I don't know when this business philosophy took over. It's damn stupid.

What companies need to do, and I am not talking only about this topic here, is to spend their time and resources looking forward. Do the things it takes to secure your future instead of minding your past and present. Inovate and provide products and services that are the exception instead of the norm. Excel instead of follow suit.

You either lead or follow and there are actually good plans to succeed at both. Choosing a path that can alienate your supporters and rock the boat that contains those who have the knowledge and ability to both circumvent and potentially disable you, isn't a good plan for success either as a leader or a follower.

Why not better spend valuable time and resources doing all that you can to create a superior product and service? In this particular case I think it might be a good idea to work in conjunction with these aftermarket developers and utilize their knowledge to further your success instead of potentially turning them into enemies who are working against you. Then, provide services and features that the competiton can't or won't. Doing that will put the whole community in your camp.

"Build it and they will come"

But, trust me. piss them off or don't let them use it and they are goig to leave.

/rant off :)
[Epic 4G General] edonnelly:
We've got 4G all over my city and it works great, as long as you never find yourself going indoors. I get to use it almost 3 minutes every day as I walk from where I park to where my office is.
[Epic 4G General] user9991:
I am really not sure why everyone is so surprised that the carriers are out to "make money" from their business. Its not a greed thing, but simply a business thing. No is ENTITLED to anything. You pay for a service to a device as per your CONTRACT that you signed. If you choose to circumvent the contract and terms of usage, then you doing something illegal. I understand that Jailbreaking and Rooting has been declared legal, but it doesn't change the fact that you are still breaking a contract and terms of use that you signed, which has nothing to do with the legality of JBing and Rooting.

Regardless, though, I still tether and have my phone rooted, but I understand that what I am doing is against the terms of service, and if Sprint called me and said "Stop or your phone will be cut off", i'd say "Ok", and that would be that. We need to realize that while we are able to do great things with these phones, we are using THE CARRIERS NETWORK to access the internet and as such, we need to understand that they will do whatever they need to do to protect the overall integrity of their network. Its not greed, its business.

Furthermore, I am really not too concerned about this supposed "Lockdown" of devices. Where there is a will, there is a way. I am sure that with the AMAZINGLY TALENTED AND SMART developers here, a solution to any problem can be solved.

If not, back to iPhone...
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
if only i could keep my data close to that. i use 100s of GB (im assuming thats what you meant) on my roadrunner connection every month.

there is no way i could replace that with sprint 3 crappy g or 4g.
[Epic 4G General] jdelano:
Doesn't the FCC ruling on 7/26/2010 come to play here?

Back not even a year ago; the library of congress ruled that modification to our phones was legal. So how can they stop phones from working on the network when nothing done to them is illegal in anyway???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_wguy/ytech_wguy_tc3236

The upshot is that now anyone can jailbreak or otherwise unlock any cell phone without fear of legal penalties, whether you want to install unsupported applications or switch to another cellular carrier. Cell phone companies are of course still free to make it difficult for you to do this — and your warranty will probably still be voided if you do — but at least you won’t be fined or imprisoned if you jailbreak a handset.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
it wasnt the fcc or the supreme court as a lot of people think. it was the library of congress, witch has zero authority in all reality.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
and as far as saying it doesnt matter how you use the data, it does. its in your contract...

Services are not available for use in connection with server devices or host computer applications, other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions, or as substitutes for private lines or frame relay connections. Except with Phone-as-Modem plans, you may not use a phone (including a Bluetooth phone) as a modem in connection with a computer, PDA, or similar device. We reserve the right to deny or terminate service without notice for any misuse or any use that adversely affects network performance

https://manage.sprintpcs.com/output/en_US/manage/MyPhoneandPlan/ChangePlans/popLegalTermsPrivacy.htm
[Epic 4G General] Tirregius:
The fact that rooted users very rarely tax the customer services of their provider is something they aught to consider. Customer service is quite expensive for them to provide.
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I like how everyone is saying they're going to iPhone if this happens. Don't you remember that Apple's the one that started this "F U"?
[Epic 4G General] jdelano:
Correct, thanks. Meant to change that when I found the article.
[Epic 4G General] jdelano:
I am good with that; how about just dealing with the users that abuse the wifi tether on their phone; it isn't meant to be used as your primary internet service.

Instead of attacking a whole community who's membership is 99.9% ethical in the way they go about things and increases their customer's enjoyment of their device.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
Exactly. I hate to say to impose caps, because id hate to theoreticly be capped one day. But if it is a cap at say 10 gigs to stop tethering as opposed to spyware on my phone, id take the cap.

For those saying its my data and ill use it how I want as much as I want because tethering isn't worth 30 dollars, who are you to say it is or isn't worth it? There are people on here saying they use 20 and 30 gigs through their phone and even dropped the home connection all together and that's not worth anything to you? Or y'all say things like i'd pay 5 or 10 dollars! Home internet can be 50 dollars a month for less than 3mbs speed and up to a hundred dollars a month for better speeds!
[Epic 4G General] Tirregius:
If it really was the case that android phones became unhackable (so much for the so-called open platform) I might really consider an iphone. I deal with the negatives of android (cheap hardware, glitchi(er) operation, etc.) Because of the fact that they hand it over to the more capable hands of the xda guys who make it into the iphone killer that they can be if modded right. If they are out of the equation and I'm back to my laggy phone, that retina display and a4 chip sound pretty decent in the mean time.

I'm already pissed off that Sprint is piling on charges for things like 4g data for example, when 4g is next to useless here. Every time I decide to try the 4g and I get "4g disconnected" for the 78th time this week, I think about how I might sue them for the heart attack I'm going to have from paying for something that plain doesn't work. (Of course they can't say "service not available now" when trying to connect. That would mean they are charging for something they are not providing, but "disconnected" infers that the service is "there" but you just can't seem to hook up. F__kers. I have considerable respect for apple's conservative approach to utilizing new data service improvments. They under-promise and over-produce (most of the time).

I'm in love with android devices as they are. It is a beautiful, open platform.

If they lock it down, the appeal will be gone. Apple does slave hardware better than anyone.
[Epic 4G General] richse:
I wholeheartedly agree with the first part of your post. However, I need to point out that the extra charge for internet is not for 4G so the second part of your post doesn't really make any sense. Sprint has stated over and over and it's been discussed here a million times that the $10 is for enhanced internet abilities on the phones regardless of 3G or 4G use.
[Epic 4G General] Tirregius:
My last phone (htc hero) was somewhat slower, but pretty data-heavy and included no surcharge. I was already paying more since going to an everything data plan (which they required when I bought an instinct, what a mistake that phone was). I guess now I have the "everything... turbo everything .... and everything else we didn't orginally think of" data plan.
[Epic 4G General] riceknight:
I'm sure there will always be a carrier or phone company that would be more than happy to steal all the rooted customers away by keeping their products more open.

A collaboration between all major companies to keep prices high has the feel of collusion (though I'm sure carriers are already very guilty of this) which is illegal.

The United States already is one of the most expensive countries in the world in terms of cellular costs. We're getting robbed blind, yet some people still feel the urge to defend the robbers. What a world.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
so how many wrongs does it take to make a right exactly?
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
Exactly three.
[Epic 4G General] Tirregius:
Make no mistake, colllusion is the only way to describe the wayb cellular companies price their data/voice services. The argument is that they are often forced to use the same hardware to provide those services, and as such fees and costs are often shared and/or overlap. Believe me, they are not working hard for their independence. Those roaming fees and ultra-premium prices depend upon the current system.
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Well, I guess I am fortunate to have 4g in my area and I do pay the $30 a month for Hotspot. I agree its pricey but the features are pretty killer. Not to mention its faster than the piece of crap Wifi USB card I am stuck paying $60 a month for. I'd say the fact that I can connect to my Vizio TV Internet and laptop at the same time while still using my phone makes the $30 worth it. Plus you don't have to worry about getting disconnected or having soft reboots. Now as far as the phone itsself, I think the carrier should think about releasing a phone that is fully open to customize they should just charge more for it. I mean a lot of people that frequent XDA would probably shell out an extra 100 or 200 bucks if they could put Cyanogen on it basically from jump or be able to take advantage of all of the killer mods and hacks the devs come up with. I think I would shell out an extra hundred or two if I could buy a phone that I could tweak the hell out of while still having insurance not voided. I mean how many of us are going to use our Epic when we are eligable for an upgrade? I'd bet not many here. Also, I haven't read about too many people really bricking their Epic beyond an Odinable fix. I mean as long as you don't melt the damn phone by overclocking it to absurd levels you should be able to buy a phone you can root,use hacks,etc., and still have some kind of insurance.. just charge more up front... Samsung or HTC DevPhone etc.
[Epic 4G General] BrianDigital:
Ill pay for tethering once I get a real answer of why there are different data. Why are laptop bits different from phone bits we should really ban together and have a million xda march on washington to delcare net neatrality on wireless telcos. They really need to label it "unlimited viewed on your phone" data plans
[Epic 4G General] Tirregius:
We are certainly on the "take" side of the equation as far as being able to mod the phone software so heavily and still use the specific data services of a given carrier. My feeling though, is that the industry prices are pretty obscene and the carriers have shown that they are ready and willing to charge the consumer in unfair ways (charging very substiantially per text message with little/no cost to carrier ... pure "we are screwing you.")

We, here are just balancing the forces so that we still own what we pay for, imo. They will try to make us purchase $700 phones and then find every possible way to charge you to use it. If you buy the thing, you own it. That's the american way, at least. So long as you are nor redistributing someone else intellectual property for a price, have at it.

I'm a capitalist but I'm also into fair and moral business practices. Charging as much as they can get away with in every possible way is a green flag for me as a consumer to circumvent that in every possible way :-). Game on.
[Epic 4G General] Tirregius:
E

Answer: "we at [insert carrier company name] say they are different - that's why. Now, please, your credit card number, sir."
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
It's because the carriers don't expect you to use 5+ GB on the phone alone, but if you tether, you're A LOT more likely to use up more data. 3G data costs money and when you use large amounts, it deteriorates the others signal around you.
[Epic 4G General] styles420:
I would just like to point out that the federal government already ruled on the issue of modding our phones - they decided that since we own our phones, we have full control over the software that we put on them. We can't be penalized for using an app that provides wifi tether, or for rooting, our any other mod available. I'll try to find sources when I'm not at work, if anyone doubts me and doesn't know how to use google...
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
they didnt rule on anything because it wasnt by a judge. the library of congress changed a longstanding section of a guideline. it is far from law as the library of congress doesnt pass bills or change laws. it also deemed that the carriers were free to implement any security they wanted just as we are free to try to get around it.

all it means is you cant be prosecuted. it is still a violation of the terms of your contract.

next time read more than the last 2 posts. we just talked about this 2 pages ago.
[Epic 4G General] punwik:
Its not worth 30$ when we already pay out the ass for the "everything plan". If they say unlimited then it should be unlimited and thats it. We pay a huge amount for these phones and then we pay out the nose for monthly phone bills with all the extra nickle and diming they try to do to us on top of the phone bill. I have 2 phones on 1 plan and 1 is a smart phone "epic" and the other is the optimus. I pay $152 a month and sometimes more if the try to throw in bull**** extra charges for no reason. That is a huge phone bill for 2 phones and when we pay that much YEA IT SHOULD BE UNLIMITED like that jackass on the new sprint commercial says it is.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
you didnt really pay that much for the phone if you think about it. sprint subsidized the purchase of your 600 dollar phone so you could have it for 200 dollars. sprints pricing is also inline with other networks. like i said in the post you quoted. who are you to say its worth it or not. they set the price and you can either pay it or not. instead of taking your money to a cheaper carrier, you choose to steal and try to justify yourself. im not trying to be the morality police, for real so dont take it that way.
[Epic 4G General] punwik:
No im not... But MAN they are really ****ing us over with the prices and its not just sprint its all the carriers cause they no everyone has just got to have a cell phone these days. They got us by the nuts and they know it. It may not be right to tether by it sure as HELL aint right what the carriers are doing. We wouldnt even have to root the ****ty phones if they made a quality phone with quality firmware in the first place.

Especialy when that JACKASS sprint CEO gets on tv and talks about unlimited.

That really pissed me off...ROFL