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[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
oh i dont own a bank account, so i am kinda in the water with this one. i really want something that has most of the features of the iPhone 4, and a front facing camera is a MUST as my brother who lives out of state has an iPhone 4 and we always facetime..
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Personally I would just stick with the iPhone then. I FaceTime with my mom from time to time, but because I have a iPad 2 the FaceTime on my phone doesn't really appeal to me anymore. Not like I can use it outside of wifi anyway.
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
yea the Nexus S is nice, but the huge problem i had with it was that there's NO SDCARD SLOT, so your stuck with 16gb of storage rather than my Atrix that has 48gb of space
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
can't find anyone to really to trade my iPhone 4 with.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
No SD card slot > locked bootloader IMHO.
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
are u serious??? haha, with a locked bootloader, the phone is still a beast, it's fast and stable without root, the bootloader will be unlocked, but u can't add memory to a phone without a sdcard slot lol
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
It's just my opinion. I don't use that much space on my phone so 48gb does me no good. Again, I personally wasn't that impressed with atrix, but now I feel like a troll for speaking my mind :( I had the atrix and if the only benefit to have it over the nexus s the expandable memory for the buyer, then I agree with you that the atrix is a better choice.

Sorry if that's the case.
[Atrix 4G General] nucentury08:
Both

Atrix is Dead to me Now I have Both Iphone 4 And Atrix fully rooted every last hack you can do for the Atrix but I love Androids open OS handsdown But media Games Fun my iphone is Champ downloading Nba Live as we speak and no I am not a 13 year old kid who just wants to play games and edit photos on his smartphone all day I want speed power and hacks.So I say for All around Media Games and a program for everything iphone is your device for a more free open device with lots of upcoming apps Android plus you get options in hardware unlike my iphone choice is good and android is getting there with games not close yet well who are we kidding not even 5% there in the console like games iphone runs lol but again thats why I have both Atrix and iphone 4 So make your choice our buy both.:cool:
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
i respect your opinion, and no expandable memory isn't the only reason i bought the phone, but i'm the type that listens to music all day everyday, and when i had my htc aria, i also had to carry around my 32gb iTouch, along with money, psp go, id, debit cards etc. and at times it would get uncomfortable and i didn't feel like carrying all that stuff in my pockets. So i decided my next phone would definitly be android, but it would also have a great battery, enough space to store all my music, a front facing camera(cause i been wanting one since the evo, but didn't want an iphone 4 and couldn't get an evo cause i was with at&t), and when i ran across the atrix on youtube i checked out the specs compared to other phones that were coming out for at&t this year, i knew that the atrix was gonna be my next device with a 1930 mAh battery, front facing camera, 5mp cam on the back with LED flash, 1Ghz dual core processor, up to 48gb of space, etc. it would easily replace my iTouch, cause now i listen to music all day, as well as talk, text, facebook, twitter, youtube, etc. and at the end of the day still have over 50% of battery life left, i'm patient with the bootloader cause i kno it's gonna get cracked, i haven't had any probs with this phone, so i'm lovin it

again, i'm not talking down on your opinion at all, cause everyone has their different views of the phone
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
I've got about 4gb of music, but even now I get bored of it... Usually using pandora instead. Along with the cloud music coming soon, I think that the large capacity devices might not be as desirable. ( maybe for people on capped plans). I also thought the atrix was going to be the phone for me, but the FFC is a hassle to try to actually video chat when you compare it to the iPhones one click method. For OP I think that will be the biggest thing for him. Also, battery life Is so touted as amazing in the battery life thread, but my phone was no where near peoples "30hrs" even after every single fix I could find or think of. If the atrix was ASOP, with a real screen (qHD was overhyped to me once I saw the motion blur on dark screens).
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
i think large capacity devices help out a lot with people with music, vids, pics, etc. it feels great to only have to grab one device when i walk out the door, instead of feeling like im puttin on batman's utility belt lol, i used the video chat once since i had the atix and it was kool, i liked it, as for battery life, i've see some people that couldn't make it to 30hrs, exchanged their phone and it was fine, with the last test i did, i hit 32hrs, and the screen is nice in my opinion
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
My iPhone 4 dies in about 6 hours period. Not sure why the camera wouldn't work right as my friend has an evo 4g and he video chatted with me on Yahoo and Tango today just fine?
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
I didnt say it wouldn't work right just takes a bunch more steps. I'd have to teach my mom how to do it, where the iPhone its simple. And as far as 6hrs...... U have a serious problem. I can leave my iPhone 4 with the screen on for 6 hrs with battery still remaining. I'd recommend a complete restore and a set up as new iPhone.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
no no i mean 6 hours of full usage like internet, texting, pic messaging, videos etc. i do all that on a daily basis. i get about 12-16 hours off the charger though without it being plugged in, and just gonna restore it and trade for the Atrix, iPhone is boring to me now lol
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
That's what always makes me get rid of the iPhone. But a few months in, I miss the ease of use, lack of force closes top notch batter life and amazing camera. Then a few months later I'm back to android lol. The nexus s was the phone for me when I was on t mobile for a short stent but had to go back to AT&T...// being nexus less. I'll be back to a nexus on Tuesday when I get my AT&T 3G version. :)
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
lmao damn. i think once I get rid of my iPhone I'm probably gonna be back and forth.. i'll get bored and probably not like motoblur, probably switch to the inspire, then to a nexus LOL.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
I dunno.... i still love the atrix more than i've ever liked the iPhone. Requiring iTunes to copy pretty much ANYTHING to it was a killer for me, since otherwise i NEVER installed iTunes. Also hated that you had to jailbreak it in order to even START to customize the UI, and even then, just about every good UI mod wasn't free.

rob: You have a lot of widgets running? If not, i'd say maybe try exchanging it for a new one. As mentioned, sometimes you just get one that won't do what it should.

As for video chat.... i've never done it... even when i had my iPhone 4... so i don't even know how to start it on the Atrix, but i can't imagine it being THAT hard. I'd rather have it take a few more taps than be an idiot proofed iPod Touch with phone capabilities.

And as for battery life compared to the Nexus.... last i checked, it's also not running a dual core CPU with 1GB of RAM. And i'm sure if there were an unlocked bootloader, we'd probably see even better battery life without having MotoBlur in the background at all. I know you can "freeze" it... but that might not be enough.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Motoblur sucks but that gingerblur rom hides it pretty well.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Yes ur right the atrix is more powerful but nexus has 2.3.3 and will get all updates before it always. Oh. And currently that Dual core doesn't do much last I heard.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
As long as it's android, it's a decent phone and not boring and bland I will be good till a new phone launches.
[Atrix 4G General] jthornton71707:
Yes I've had both, I suggest you do what I do because I couldnt decide either. The arris allows tethering, and get a wifi iPad. iOS development and games and some apps are awesome, android isn't there yet... But iOS in all honesty is crappy on a 3.5" screen, at least for all the good stuff.
[Atrix 4G General] holtenc:
my only complaint going from iPhone 4 to atrix, or iOS to Android rather, is the keyboard and typing. This is totally just my opinion, but typing anything out on my Atrix sucks big fat hairy balls compared to iPhone. The auto correct is terrible, IMO.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Holtenc: Swype.... 'nuff said. I had issues with the stock keyboard on the Atrix, too, after coming from my iPhone 4. Swype has me sold. It seems odd at first.... but you get used to it really quick.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Damn.. you guys are making me want this phone more! Wish someone would contact me about a trade already.. I can sell the iPhone for about 450 MAX, and the Atrix's are around 450+ on craigslist.
[Atrix 4G General] leeshjnn:
Hmm I traded my iPhone 4 for Atrix a few days ago. Put Gingerblur on it and I think I enjoy it more than iOS.

Notification is better.

iOS has a really good Mail app but K9 or Enhance Mail will get you.

Widget is much more fun. I got the Launcher Pro Plus and put the Facebook widget on it. It's incredible.

Typing is a bit different but we talking about iPhone and Android. I would expect quite a different from the multitouch keyboard. So no complaints.

Battery is the most problems for me. My iPhone usually last me 2 days but I have to charge Atrix everyday now. I'm looking for better setting to improve the battery life other than freezing app.

Just my 2 cents.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Thanks. I really am looking for something with good notifications, also something that doesn't display a text message of directly who is messaging u on the screen LOL.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
Android is way better for notifications. However. U do know u can change that in the settings on the iPhone right?
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Yeah I do, just still pops up that i have a message from so and so. don't want that showing up at all, i dunno, the iPhone is just so OLD to me. I've had it since the iPhone in 07..
[Atrix 4G General] acPIZZA:
don't get an atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Wow...... absolutely RIVETING arguement as to why he shouldn't get an Atrix there. Kept me reading for HOURS!

All the sarcasm aside.... seriously? You come into the thread, and the only thing you say is "Don't get an Atrix", after quite a few people, myself included, have pointed out quite a few good reasons to get the Atrix, and not many at all to keep the iPhone? Pretty much the only thing the iPhone has going for it is the screen, the camera..... and the sheep factor. Or are you suggesting a DIFFERENT Android phone that's a bit more future-proof? Seeing as the Atrix is the only one currently on the market for AT&T.... or i believe ANY carrier for that matter that has a dual-core processor (not 100% sure on that right now. i know dual core's are COMING for Verizon, but don't know of any that are out now....), i can't imagine why you wouldn't really want one. Yea.... Some other phones come with Gingerbread out of the box. WOOOOOOO! And.... what if the next version of Android to hit smartphones has a dual-core requirement.... or can only do certain things WITH a dual core processor? You'd be wishing you had one, wouldn't you?
[Atrix 4G General] Silent8Strike:
Your very helpful. /Sarcasm

Why not give some reasons? This doesn't help the OP in his decision one bit.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
And if you miss iOS so much..... Hey..... "There's an App for that." (Trademark Apple Corp...... (What a bunch of arrogant pr*cks)). apparently $0.99 on the android market. Dunno how GOOD it is.... but hey.... it's $0.99. If i really wanted my iPhone-ish look back so much, i'd buy it, but could care less.

tripleh3lix: Quick question.... is your iphone 4 jailbroken? I'd love to get the ringtones from it if you could possibly seek them out. Even just the tones for alarms would be awesome. I've tried searching on Google, but all i seem to come up with are ancient links in a technological sense of the word.

Oh... and yes.... i know.... "But i thought you hated the iPhone?". Just because i like the tones they use, doesn't mean i like the phone. Just that the default Android alarm tones are, for lack of a better phrase..... significantly lacking, and playing a song as an alarm get's kinda odd especially seeing as the only music i currently have on my phone is from Kerli. Not saying she does bad music... just not "alarm quality" music. That'd probably be more along Lady Gaga's lines. Screw the dead, she could wake the dinosaurs.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Nope I have no clue how to do that... There aren't any custom alarms on android at all when u root it?
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Well... You can use anything as a ringtone or alarm or whatever whether it's rooted or not. I just don't want to hunt for other tones to use when I know I like the iPhone's.
[Atrix 4G General] darkamikaze:
Tbh.. I wouldn't leave the iphone4 for the atrix.

If you really want the full xda community along with a new android device you would wait for something else that has a bigger community.

The Atrix is a good phone and all that but with the bootloader situation (I know devs are hard work at finding a way) I would recommend waiting for either something else that's better (SGS2 maybe) or wait until the bootloader gets cracked (assuming it will)

I'm big on customizing and right now I believe you can untether jb your iphone with the latest firmware so if you want that kind of support then stick with iphone4 for now until a more customize friendly android phone comes out later this coming months.

My 2c.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
My Questions to the OP:

Did u post the same thread on a iPhone website? Its obviously going to be a greater pull to atrix here.
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
we're not giving biased opinions, well at least i'm not, i've compared my atrix to a friend's fully jailbroken iphone 4, and the specs are clearly better on the atrix, if i had an iphone 4 and not an atrix, i would say the same thing, but think of it like this, if the Evo was labeled the iphone 4 killer, and the atrix took the evo's spot as the top android device, then why would u even need to compare the atrix to the iphone
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
.... posting the same thing in the iPhone forum would be a bit redundant. why? He already has an iPhone 4. The idea of him even questioning whether he should switch kinda leads me to believe that while he likes the iPhone 4, he's looking for something more. And since a few of the people here, myself included, made the exact same switch from an iPhone 4 to an Atrix, i'd say leaving it here is fine.

Like he said... we're not giving biased opinions.... especially not those of us who actually have/had both phones. I've said time and time again that i went from my iPhone 4 to my Atrix and never looked back.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
I suppose. I'm one of those that made the switch and could stand not switching back. Maybe there's more people like me, but being that that this is an android forum those people I think would migrate elsewhere. Just my two cents.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Some guy wants to buy my iPhone on craigslist for $450. Think I should go for it guys?
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
That's about average for a mint 16gb. I'd say do it.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Now I just hope I can find an Atrix for 475 or less now.. LOL
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
u should be able to
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
i'm looking at craigslist, not on ebay.. i can't do the online transaction thing as no one wants to lend me a debit or credit card to use for it.
[Atrix 4G General] robin48:
I gave up the Iphone for an Inspire and I am so glad I did. We now have another upgrade on our plan and I plan on picking up the Atrix. If I don't like it I will go back to the Inspire and sell the Atrix for a modest profit and give some one here a good deal on an Atrix at the same time. It's a win win for the fatman!
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Nice. I put the iPhone in for 500 obo but I think that may be a bit too steep.. Maybe I should put 475 FIRM?
[Atrix 4G General] jkurl:
Try eBay they have a new program you might be able to get $450 for it super quick. It is their buy back program I think.
[Atrix 4G General] khaliq:
One to his own

I think it's more of a personal choice.

I got bored of my iPhone 4 about a month ago and went ahead and bought an Atrix.

Rooted and installed Gingerblur. The phone was great, its quick and the notification system does beat iOS twofold.

But I still went back to my iPhone in the end.

I never found Android to be solid enough. The Atrix ran hot, didn't work with half my headphones, battery life was nothing comparable to the iPhone.

I personally feel that iOS is much more solid. Other than flash, I didn't really find anything on Android that I couldn't do on a Jailbroken iOS device.

I know, I know, you have to do a bit more tweaking, I just found the quality of iOS, it's keyboard, apps, and overall feel much better than the Atrix.

Just my two cents.

Btw, why don't you just go to the store, buy the atrix, try it out within the 30 day return period? If you don't like it, pay the $35 restocking fee and hop back over to your iPhone. If you want to stay with it, sell your iPhone on eBay or craiglist. And trust me you can get much more than $450 for it, especially if it's unlocked.
[Atrix 4G General] robstunner:
This. Exactly what I did. But I ended up returning a bricked atrix lol
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Well.... can't really blame a dual-core CPU for running hot. Your statement about the headphones kinda puzzles me, though.... unless you were trying to use iPhone/iPod headphones with those goofy controls in-line. Not sure if it'll work with those, since i've never even used them when i had my iPhone 4 since IMHO the audio quality on an iPhone sucks.... but i never had any issue with any other set of headphones. And as it's been mentioned.... there isn't a whole lot going on with an iPhone that would drain battery life. Just the idea of which widgets you are using can seriously cut down the Atrix's battery life. Yea, it doesn't last quite as long.... but how many people DON'T plug their phones in to charge them every night? I've done it with my iPhone's, and i do it with my Atrix. I unplugged my Atrix today around 11AM, and now about 12 hours later with moderate use, it's at 63%.

And yea.... in terms of the stock keyboard, i too found the iPhone's keyboard to be much easier to use, and the autocorrect (although quite annoying at times) caught the few errors i'd make. The Atrix's default keyboard is slightly different, and the autocorrect isn't quite as obtrusive which can lead to the occasional typo.... but you can quite easily switch the keyboard with an Android phone. Install Swype, and it's a whole different ballgame.

You're right though about the 30-day return period trial though.... but for me it wasn't even a question. I've wanted an Android device ever since they came out, but the Galaxy S was the only Android phone out for AT&T when the iPhone 4 came out, and it didn't really seem like a keeper to me. Not to mention i'm not a huge fan of Samsung phones. So i held on to the iPhone 4 til something seemingly worthwhile came out.... and well, the Atrix was just that.
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
idk what was wrong with your atrix's battery, but mine easily beats an iphone 4 battery when me and my friend decided to place a bet on which battery was better, with heavy use(facebook, twitter, music, text, calls, a few games, wifi, browser, etc) from 7am, hers died at 11pm, mine died at 9am the next day, i obviously won the bet and now i have a new xbox 360 with 6 months of xbox live haha

and this was before the OTA update, which improved my battery even more along with other things
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
I'm so excited guys. I was actually going to buy an atrix new in box for 450 today in person. brand new, the guy let me open it and try it, was opening brand new packaging and the screen was messed up and had a huge white smudge like a bunch of pixels were like gone it sucked =( So, I am going to try to buy another one for 475 tomorrow and try to talk him down to 460. I can't wait :D
[Atrix 4G General] jimmer411:
I miss my iphone 4.
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
u won't regret it, hopefully u can talk him down
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Let's hope so and let's hope this phone is actually WORKING haha.
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
so sorry for double posting, but he contacted me today, told me to google the phone and I emailed him back LOL'ing. He said he messed with the background and changed it and we both thought the phone had pressure damage, but it was just the stock background itself on the phone..

http://handies.phandroid.com/media/motorola-atrix-4g-1294335767-725.jpg

yes that little white smudge in the corner next to the google search! I feel like such a dumbass now lol!
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
lol wow, i don't see how yall thought it was damaged
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Well it seriously kind of looked like pressure damage, he was kind of agreeing with me so I just gave it up. I'm buying it again at 6pm tonight, can't wait :)
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
kool, do u have a sdcard for it?
[Atrix 4G General] tripleh3lix:
Nope not yet. It has 16gb of memory right? That's more than plenty.. for now :P I have a 4gb micro but it's for my DSi.
[EVO 4G General] Daswolven:
I apologize if this has been covered, I didn't find anything in a quick search. A buddy was asking about flashing his Evo to Verizon. I saw a few youtube videos showing results but haven't found a process.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Sim unlock? You could call Verizon customer care or a store and ask if nobody on here knows, I assume it would work but have never heard of anyone doing it.
[EVO 4G General] twiz0r:
I dont think so.

You can have your evo run off of verizon's towers with a prl hack

swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
There's no legal way to do it.

You would have to fake your esn number and such.
[EVO 4G General] fenixjn:
Both vzw and sprint use CDMA... no simcards involved.

To OP: No, verizon requires the ESN to be already present on their database (same way as sprint) before activating the device.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
The process is likely the same as it is to get the evo to work on boost, cricket, or other cdma providers.

I haven't done this personally, nor do I know anyone who has, but in theory, it seems like it should.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Boost is owned by Sprint so it makes some sense that you could cross those phones.

Not sure about cricket but it's my guess that they don't lock down their esns.

The only way I've ever heard of using a Sprint/Verizon phone on either network is with esn spoofing and it's not legal, at all.
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
Until carriers allow other phones ont heir networks it's a no-go. Except as said above by changing ESN (illegal) or having one hell of an inside connection. The ESN would have to be added to their database of accepted devices. Like I said...a hell of an inside connection would be needed.
[EVO 4G General] gpz1100:
You said it bro! Spoof was the word I was looking for. Will require a donor phone though on the network you want to use it on.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
It's not illegal to change your ESN as long as you are paying for the fees. The legality comes in when you try to clone ESN in order to avoid fees.

But even if OP were to clone the ESN, the frequency's don't really match and would have problems working
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
And if this was remotely feasible, I'd have a Verizon iPhone 4 on Sprint right now.
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
Your a Joke