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[Windows Phone 7 General] circleofomega:
AFAIK it is because of the firmware update of HTC and NOT the NO DO update...people who have had only the NO DO and NOT the firmware update has no such issues...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
the problem with the focus' and omnia's is the SAMOLED screen I believe...because even with the hack it is not gone completely...but it is vastly improved.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VonCrisp:
Nop. Didnt have a problem before NoDo! Omnia 7 here! Noticed the issue straight away when I updated.

Sorry for not being able to contribute to this topic. I was on a break and rli took over!

Either way... I haven't had the chance to fully read through every page but I gathered that there are different variations of some registry strings that disable banding? (Please correct me if I m wrong?) And a software tool that handles the reg changes automatically?!

I would like to put the info onto the first post. Would anyone please be so kind to mention what issues persist?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I think it's worth trying to ping Microsoft on this issue: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...011-8dfc-68b599b31bf5?page=1&tm=1304796337844
[Windows Phone 7 General] VonCrisp:
Will do!!! Just like in the beginnng of the launch with the Xvid question ;D!!

Well I m glad that skype will at least be integrated into WP7 at an OS level at some point (one can hope)!
[Windows Phone 7 General] VonCrisp:
Quick update. Microsoft responded.

Its not a bug... its a feature...

I will turn this into the official rage thread once I get back.

Pressure would be appreciated from fellow XDA members. Simply follow the link posted by vangrieg!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jmerrey:
This is just a guess, but remember when MS said one of the big improvements for nodo was app loading times, and it would be seen more with graphic-intensive apps? I'm wondering if they reduced the color depth to 16bit across the board in nodo to achieve these results?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
No, I had the speedup in 7390, but severe banding appeared in 7392 which came together with the HTC Software Update to my phone.

I would like to reiterate that 16 bit color isn't the biggest problem. Lack of dithering is. I cam certainly live with properly dithered 16 bit palette.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Koki.v3:
My Omnia 7:

Omnia 7 on WPCentral website: (link)

Am I doing something wrong here? How come the picture looks OK on the other Omnia. Side note - I did have these banding issues before NoDo. It's been like this ever since I bought the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
Yes, the banding issue is special to HTC phones. Before NoDo, HTC hacked/released their phones to use 32-bit color while MS designed WP7 to handle 16-bit color in general. The picture you see is an HTC phone vs Samsung, not Samsung vs Samsung. All other WP7s all have 16-bit color (and banding) to start with. MS already posted details about this and the fact that HTC desided to go back to MS default of 16-bit in NoDo ROM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VonCrisp:
This is NOT correct. The sole purpose of why I started this thread is because my Omnia 7 didn't have banding. Or at least dithered out the banding.

Please re read the thread. Not all phones had banding.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
Super AMOLED screens are slightly different than LCD screens. So the banding effects might not be the same. But we are using the same 16-bit color for sure, before or after NoDo.

HTC phones are totally different, 32-bit color (before) and 16-bit color (after) could have a noticeable difference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jmerrey:
my at&t focus had 16 bit colors from the start for sure. I remember the seismic app specifically had horrible color banding on it's home screen. Now that my device is dev unlocked, and i've changed these values, it looks much better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N0RVE:
Registry tweak (Omnia 7 banding): 16bit vs 32bit

Hi,

I took the time to take some screenshots from my Omnia 7 to show, through the use of GIF animations, the 16bit vs 32bit screen performance after doing the registry tweaks (PrimBPP = 32, bpp=32, PanelBPP=32):

WP Bench gradient (easily visible)

Machinima loading screen (banding everywhere)

Flickr

Wallpaper Daily

As you can see the improvements are really good. There is still some minor banding here and there but it's reduced to a tolerable level.

Finally, here are the before and after results from the WP Bench app:

16bit

32bit

Results look good to me (that's just 1 frame less in average) and I would say the phone is as responsive as it was before the tweak (at least with the Omnia 7). Not to mention that the screen is now sexier than ever! :D

I wish the tweak worked too for IE and the pictures hub though :rolleyes:

Hope you guys find this useful.

Regards.
[Windows Phone 7 General] downloaderintruder:
Most WP7 phones are affected, not just HTC, but most because of the NoDo update disabling support for 32bit colour. This is more noticeable in some HTC phones equipped with 32 bit display such as HD7 and Trophy. If you still have the stock ROM you can see that there is no banding, while when you update to NoDo, banding becomes visible throughout the phones interface.

While there is a temporary fix by adding registries, it does slows down the phones performance by merely 8%, hopefully this will be fixed on the mango update. yum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hamzie:
looks great will try it soon
[Windows Phone 7 General] BlitterTwisted:
So Microsoft are saying that all WP7 devices are 16-bit colour, except HTC modified this to use 32-bit. NoDo reversed this and ensured HTC devices are 16-bit as well.

I noticed a speed improvement in the panorama views after NoDo was installed on my HD7 that's for sure, didn't realise at the time but bet it was due to going from 32-bit to 16-bit.

Still disappointing though, iOS devices and Android are 32-bit afaik. Hopefully Mango will fix this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DMAND:
I believe that they have already said this is the case, the reason being Silverlight 3 is optimised for 16 bit and Silverlight 4 as used in Mango 32
[Windows Phone 7 General] giciorek:
Who said that Silverlight 3 is optimized for 16 bit?

Where do you have this information from?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sensboston:
Famous epitaph at the old Cambridge cemetary says: "I'm quoted too much :-(" :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] curtido:
Hi,

Anyone please say the value on PanelDLL key ? I delete the value :x
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
I have "dcMFPGA_MIT043MA01.DLL" on my htc Arrive
[Windows Phone 7 General] hamzie:
thinking way ahead im guessing when mango comes out we should delete these keys?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Endeavour1934:
From the Mango demo:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/05/201105240091.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/05/201105240093.jpg

:/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
didn't look that bad on the stream?

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/liveevent.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] MRWRANGLERS1:
HKLM\Drivers\Display\Primary\PrimBPP dword 32

HKLM\Drivers\Display\Primary\bpp dword 32

HKLM\Drivers\Display\Primary\PanelBPP dword 24
[Windows Phone 7 General] benjammin:
I was using this with all values set to 32 on my Focus and didnt have any issues whatsoever with lag. ....But, i did have another wierd issue come up:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=14323276&postcount=546

so im not using this tweak anymore.

Anyone else having GPS issues?
[Windows Phone 7 General] bkaul:
No GPS problems on my Focus, but I do have the P____BPP settings at 24 ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] hamzie:
Do the games get laggy for anyone?

I was comparing iphones doodle jump to wp7.. and wp7 looks so laggy compared

dont know if thats just how it is or because of this registry edit
[Windows Phone 7 General] N0RVE:
Doodle Jump is laggy no matter what on WP7. I played it with and without the fix on my OMNIA 7 and it perfoms the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hamzie:
hmm

thanks for that

yeah running omnia 7 too.

hope mango does some improving then
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I only played Doodle Jump for like 20 minutes but haven't noticed any signs of lagging.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hamzie:
On its own it looks fine.. place it next to the iphone version and youll see it
[Windows Phone 7 General] sealight:
I want to revert the 32bit hack but I don't remember what was the "factory" registry data.

Can someone write it here, please?

HKLM\Drivers\Display\Primary\PrimBPP dword ? (or non-existent?)

HKLM\Drivers\Display\Primary\bpp dword ? (or non existent?)

HKLM\Drivers\Display\Primary\PanelBPP ? (or non-existent?)

The phone is a Samsung Omnia 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] benjammin:
Just delete those 3 values.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Depechie:
Damn... fixed this on my HTC Trophy with the registry hack, but now after installing Dev preview of Mango on my phone, the banding is back !!!! :mad:

AND the registry hack progs are banned also....
[Windows Phone 7 General] singularity0821:
Yeah... I hope they fix it in the final - I think I read that somewhere..
[Windows Phone 7 General] andycted:
You know, the first time I rebooted it I got the red screen. Panic is not an appropriate word I think, english fails me there.

But just out of curiosity, anybody understood why the red screen happens ? It's just so random
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Salv0:
Hi all, I have some questions xD

is the dust under screen covered by warranty?

does the amount of the dust have to be significant ( mine just 1 particle ;_; almost in the center..)?

I have to remove root etc before (eventually) send the device?

thanks in advance for the answers
[General Questions and Answers] aymen95:
Ok im trying to install android on my sprint htc touch pro 2 And im doing everything right but when i run heret and the white text comes up And then it goes into a bootloop sayin 4.4 already on my phone whatever that means! i reset my phone and memory card a million times and still same thing! can somebody please help me asap
[Fascinate General] ragarm:
If I'm supposed to put my questions in the Q&A section, why is it not available on the mobile app? Our am I missing something? Lol
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
WRONG SECTION!!!!!! jk :p

I had the same issue and just un installed and reinstalled the app and it came up.

*edit* Previous thread.

good day.
[Fascinate General] ziggy484:
The q&a section is a joke, now all you hear is wrong section!, wrong section!... what is the point exactly? I just was reading a post where a guy was getting yelled at for posting a question in the question forum...

Sent from a Superclean Fascinate
[Fascinate General] landshark68:
Which thread was that you were reading?
[Fascinate General] ashasaur:
Yeah, can you link me? More than likely it was a thread that was moved after the question was asked an the yelling happened.

Moderated from my HTC HD2 using XDA Premium.
[Fascinate General] landshark68:
That's exactly what I was thinking. Probably the ROM/Kernel combo for battery life thread.
[Fascinate General] ziggy484:
Well im sure not going to waste time looking for it again... but lets say your right and it was moved after the yelling, how about why all the yelling anyway? Only at xda are the majority of conversations polluted with arguing over where to properly post. Ok fine, dont post general stuff in the dev section, thats a no brainer... but q&a, and general are the same thing.

Sent from a Superclean Fascinate
[Fascinate General] landshark68:
Moved by the moderator. OP thought he was posting his thread in the General section when he was actually posting in the developer section. Not hard to find. Is this the thread to which you were referring?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1028286
[Fascinate General] ziggy484:
Its development section, not developer... are you suggesting that only the devs are allowed to post anything there?

Sent from a Superclean Fascinate
[Fascinate General] landshark68:
No, sorry. Development section. I'm not suggesting anything. I was just trying to answer your question as to how it got moved.
[Fascinate General] ziggy484:
Ok... but tell me the truth, does there really need to be q&a and general? Isnt the whole nature of android forums, people asking, others answering?

Sent from a Superclean Fascinate
[Fascinate General] landshark68:
I see the confusion generated by the q&a and general sections. What kind of questions belong in which? I just started posting here with some frequency like 3 weeks ago. I agree the whole nature of forums is asking and answering questions, sharing information, and helping each other out. I think how each forum handles that and how they are formatted are going to be different. I'm not a moderator or anything like that. I'm just someone who is wanting to share information and give and get answers and I'm still trying to figure out exactly how this forum is structured. Still haven't nailed down all the rules and particulars, but I keep searching. I know pretty much all the devs hang out here, so I figure it must be a good place to get some good info.
[Fascinate General] gkirby11:
How about we take a step back and think about this.

You're asking why is there even a Q and A & General Forum. Well think about if there was just a Samsung Fascinate forum, and nothing more. Everything lumped together. Better yet how about we just make a Samsung forum, people can ask what they want about any Samsung android device. Sounds great right, everyone has a voice and there is no way it would be complicated to use!

The reason they are here is to help you, to help me, to help the devs, to help everyone. Order and organization is the name of the game.

There has to be structure, that is why if you have a question about the Samsung Fascinate and/or its development you place it in the Q and A forum. If you have something you would like to bring up in "general" then..... you see where this is going.

We can either have one large room with everyone yelling at different people, or smaller rooms where there is no need to raise your voice! :D

But there is no real yelling on a forum, its online. The tense of any one sentence is how you make it. :p
[Fascinate General] ziggy484:
Sorry, but that makes no sense... all you need is general and development for each device

Sent from a Superclean Fascinate
[Fascinate General] lowtech80:
So I guess the themes and apps section and the accessories section should be put in general? That would make the general section completely unusable.

To the OP, all you need to do is remove the fascinate forum from your favorites. when you add it back to favorites, q&a should be there.

As far as what should go where:

General should be for general discussions like "what rom and why?"

Q&a should be for questions like, "how do I fix xyz?"

If anything should be changed, maybe q&a needs to be renamed "help"
[Fascinate General] lowtech80:
sounds like a good suggestion to me. I think only devs should be thread starters in the dev section.
[Fascinate General] ashasaur:
Lemme break it down for you all:

General is for everything that is a general discussion, not a specific question. Is it confusing, yes. Does it mean that people will still post questions without searching? Yes. But that's why you all have me, I can sort it all out.

Q&A is self described. All questions, whether they are specific device questions or development questions are to be posted within the Q&A section.

Accessories is of course for accessories. Not much to say.

Development is ONLY meant for the releasing of new ROMs and such. General discussion or questions are not permitted within the development section. With the exception of kernel or source discussions, all general development discussion should be posted within the general section.

And themes and apps is self explanatory.

Now, not to be a douche, but if you don't like my rules...don't post! I for one am getting tired of having to stop these arguments when all I am asking is that people read the XDA rules, post in the correct section and use the search button before posting.

Any beef should be brought to me via PM.

Word.-saur
[Fascinate General] ziggy484:
I for one am tired of you acting like such a big shot... and rambling on about YOUR rules and where to post this and that, blah blah blah. but thats why i dont come here much anymore. You and chopperdog, and landshark all think your so much better than everyone else

Sent from a Superclean Fascinate
[Fascinate General] FDro:
He is laying out the rules, how is that acting like a big shot? Would you rather have an unmoderated, disorganized, cumpled together forum? If that is the case then you are in a very small group of people with that type of preference. You dont have to be here if you dont want to, so why punish yourself if you clearly dont like being here?

The Q&A forum makes perfect sense, as does breaking the forum up based on specific interests. It makes people with certain interests able to more easily find the information they seek as well as get answers to the specific answers they have. It also cuts down on the clutter than can liter a forum because it clumps all information together.
[Fascinate General] ashasaur:
The ONLY reason I made ANY rules is because YOU, as the collective users of the Fascinate section wanted them, you wanted order, and I gave it to you. If you don't feel that my simple rules are worth your time to follow, then do us all a favor and don't post. There are plenty of more open minded users who are happy with the way things are going, and appreciate a little order and structure over the chaos that once was.

Moderated from my HTC HD2 using XDA Premium.
[Fascinate General] ziggy484:
Maybe there should also be a separate forum for each rom, each theme, each kernal, one for gps issues, one for mms, one for brick issues, one for odin, one for cw...

General, and q&a are the same thing. To see everyone getting yelled at for posting a question in qa, because its too general and should be in general section, or getting yelled at for posting a rom question in the thread for that rom, because its a dev only section... thats your idea of order and organization?

Sent from a Superclean Fascinate
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
Guys he has argued this before don't add fuel. Start at post #45.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=975971&page=5 Just leave him be.

good day.
[Fascinate General] FDro:
You have to be one of the most dense people I've come across on this board. Having said that, I'm done wasting time spoon feeding you logic.
[Fascinate General] landshark68:
Not going to fuel the fire, I'm just scratching me head trying to figure out how I got thrown in the middle of this when I have no affiliation with XDA other than I like to post here to give and receive information. I'm laughing at him saying I think I'm so much better than everyone else when I just started posting with regularity within the last two weeks. Thanks for the warm welcome ziggy :confused: And how does he come to the conclusion I feel I am so much better than everyone else when I was trying to hold an actual dialogue with him and posted the following response to him:

I see the confusion generated by the q&a and general sections. What kind of questions belong in which? I just started posting here with some frequency like 3 weeks ago. I agree the whole nature of forums is asking and answering questions, sharing information, and helping each other out. I think how each forum handles that and how they are formatted are going to be different. I'm not a moderator or anything like that. I'm just someone who is wanting to share information and give and get answers and I'm still trying to figure out exactly how this forum is structured. Still haven't nailed down all the rules and particulars, but I keep searching. I know pretty much all the devs hang out here, so I figure it must be a good place to get some good info.

As for everyone else, I do actually appreciate the way I have been welcomed here and how willing everyone is to share info. Thank you and I look forward to learning more being able to contribute.
[Fascinate General] ashasaur:
This thread has been completely hijacked and moved away from it's original question-"Why is there a Q&A section?"

The answer-to provide some order to an otherwise cluttered main forum by moving all specific questions to their own sub-forum.

This thread is now closed. If you feel that more discussion is needed, please PM me with your concerns.

Any new threads on this subject will be closed and the OP will be PM'ed with the above response.

Any beef, take it up with me, STOP flaming other users, or this will escalate to Senior Moderators who have the power to hand out bans.

Word.-saur
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] X10Miniman:
i would like to store apps on sd card, and would like help on partitioning my sd card, or alternatively, flashing a 2.2+ rom
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tpex:
I'm really keen to root my phone, after looking at the options I thought CyanogenMod would be a good choice, but then I see for the stable release that is has quite a few bugs like corrupted video recording...

any suggestions please?
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 3xeno:
Cyanogenmod 7.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hack_LOL:
Sorry to kind thread-hack here but..

Does cyanogenmod7 work with 2.2.1?
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imlgl:
Cyanogenmod 7 is 2.3.3
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 3xeno:
No. Installing any custom ROM requires root.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tpex:
But its not stable?
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 3xeno:
Although the release name may not be, it is extremely stable. I am using it as my daily / primary use ROM without any issues.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kevin2516:
Video recording works on cm7, stop living in the cm6 days.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] siraulo23:
Im sorry to ask here (dont wanna make a new thread)

but is it possible to root htc wildfire a3335
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hack_LOL:
Siraulo, it is possible to root any phone
[LG Optimus 2x] tiwiz:
Hello,

someone just gave me a nice idea: what about using the volume buttons to control the Camera App? pressing on the smartphone to take a picture can result ina lost of focus, and with that nice camera, it's a shame :)
[LG Optimus 2x] emprize:
if u dont rush for that, cm7's camera app is doing that, so wait for cm7
[LG Optimus 2x] tiwiz:
oh great :) I'm looking forward CM7, but will it be a porting or a native ROM?
[LG Optimus 2x] h1o:
yeahhhh:D:D
[Wildfire General] Hack_LOL:
I was thinking and I wondered if enough people commented with support maybe UnrEVOked would release 2.2.1 support for Wildfire?

So lets see if it works
[Wildfire General] testwildfire:
They are working on it (:
[Wildfire General] mjgs:
Are you sure? :p
[Wildfire General] Hack_LOL:
Not saying I dont trust you or anything, but do you have proof?
[Wildfire General] psycho36:
they dont work on it because they dont have a wildfire in the dev team :mad:
[Wildfire General] antonio1475:
It has been talked a lot about donations to make them buy a Wildfire and test. You all could make some deal and donate to support them.

I took the other way and used XTC Clip. Faster.

:)
[Wildfire General] testwildfire:
Even if they don't have a wildfire in their devteam, I'm pretty sure when they get around to it, they will probably, it's not like they couldn't get one.

Just relax, drink a cup of tea and smoke a cigarette and calm down on that topic!
[Wildfire General] Les1976:
-Signed :)
[Wildfire General] halfdeaf:
Those guys r really saints..!

But do they develop unrevoked for wildF 2.2.1..????????

AnyWay,

+++++SIGNED
[Wildfire General] jangofett18:
I am waiting.............
[Wildfire General] Alex_GP:
I have never seen so much disrespect for other people`s work in my life.:mad:

If YOU want it so much, make it yourself, or get an XTC Clip.

If not, stop whining, they will release it when THEY want it, IF they want it.