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[Galaxy Tab General] paulshields:
For me the Tab is as much a phone as a tablet. That was how it was marketed here and that's partly why I got one. Does Honeycomb have phone capabilities? My understanding is that it doesn't as it's purely a tablet-based revision of Android. So in that case I can't see any impetus for Samsung to tweak it into more of a phone-based OS. I'm happy with Froyo, will be happy ro see Gingerbread make an appearance, and would be delighted to eventually see Ice Cream Sundae (the natural OS for this device), but in the meantime I'll just enjoy rocking it.
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
What I don't understand, is the thinking (whether it comes from customers or samsung themselves) that updating the original GTab would somehow magically cut the sales of the newer tablets that (probably) will come with Honeycomb.

It may, a little, but at least I and everybody I know that owns the GTab purchased it precisely for two facts: It can act as a phone (so you don't need two devices) and the size. I'm not aware of a single individual that would trade their 7" GTab for either of the newer ones. 9+ inches is just too big for a pocketable device, 7" is perfect (for me).

So from my perspective (and every other owner I know) whether to upgrade the 7" to HC or not, doesn't do ANYTHING for our inclination to buy the newer tablets, per se. In a roundabout way, it will. If the GTab WON'T be upgraded to HC I most probably will NOT buy either of the new tablets simple because I know then that Samsung doesn't care about customers and owners with the newer tablets will be let down as much as owners with the current Tab. If we don't get 3.0 chances are great the new tablets won't get the next version etc..

At least HTC promised to update Flyer to 3.0... Maybe I'll go back to HTC then.
[Galaxy Tab General] rmanaudio:
What is so hard for you guys to understand?

Our galaxy Tab will never get Honeycomb from samsung because HC does not have phone ability. The p1000 is also a phone...you forget? They will never release HC for it because you wont be able to make phone calls!!!!!!

They will release 2.3.3 for the p1000 and if we are lucky Icecream in the far future!
[Galaxy Tab General] paulshields:
Andy Rubin - one of the main Google guys behind Android - posted something interesting on his blog yesterday.

"Finally, we continue to be an open source platform and will continue releasing source code when it is ready. As I write this the Android team is still hard at work to bring all the new Honeycomb features to phones. As soon as this work is completed, we’ll publish the code. This temporary delay does not represent a change in strategy. We remain firmly committed to providing Android as an open source platform across many device types.".

Whatever that release is eventually called (Ice Cream Sandwich, Android 3.x, 4.x blah blah), that would be the one that's most suitable for the Galaxy Tab. For those who just want a Honeycomb tablet then I'd suggest trading the Tab in and picking up a device without phone capabilities, hardware buttons etc. Those are the devices targeted by Honeycomb. The rest of us who understand what the Tab is all about will just carry on enjoying its capabilities :).
[Galaxy Tab General] teezle:
don't know why you are all so upset, developers on this site are going to make ANYTHING work with our Tabs ;)
[Galaxy Tab General] Archer:
There's been no official statement from Samsung, so end of conversation.

Also, there's been no official statement from Google about Honeycomb being 100% for tablets. Conjecture all over the place, yes, but facts, no.

This whole discussion is an open invitation for a troll-fest.
[Galaxy Tab General] GANJDROID:
This will get copy and pasted whenever someone complains about a lack of Honeycomb. This is the perfect summary of this thread. :D

But please, lets put this thread to an end and accept that there have been NO official work from Samsung about Honeycomb.

Sent from my mind. Or a Galaxy Tab
[Galaxy Tab General] GANJDROID:
Hardware? Trolololol. There are NO hardware requirements for Honeycomb.

Sent from my mind. Or a Galaxy Tab
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
Actually this could be "true" in the sense that thus far all Honeycomb tablets have are Tegra2 based, and Samsung can't be arsed to make the necessary drivers for Hummingbird. i.e. because the Tab doesn't have Tegra2, it would be too much effort for Samsung to port Honeycomb to it, hence "Problem = Hardware", when in reality it would be more accurate to say, "Problem = Can't be bothered to port to Tab Hardware". ;)

Just conjecture of course!

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
The North American Tabs aren't phones (although the GSM ones can be made to be), so arguably a Verizon or Sprint user could say this isn't sufficient justification.

Of course, Samsung could just say that this was a carrier choice in North America, and that they consider the device to be a phone.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] kay_kiat88:
I wish mods could just close this thread. no point discussing cos no one here is Mr Sammy.
[Galaxy Tab General] GANJDROID:
Haha, exactly. You've pretty much nailed it on the head with the 'can't be bothered to port to Hummingbird'

Sent from my mind. Or a Galaxy Tab
[Galaxy Tab General] brilldoctor:
especially since htc have promised honeycomb for the single core flyer
[Galaxy Tab General] IP IHI II IL:
Everything's gonna' be ALLLLLriiiiight...

I seriously believe that the 7" SGT is still the best, and though it SUCKS that Samsung is focusing more on their new tabs, and those that may buy them, it's kinda' understandable from a business point of view.

That being said, There are TONS of things to look forward to! Development on the SGT (both CDMA and GSM) has increased a LOT lately, as more and more people see what's coming, and also realize that the original SGT is the perfect size, and could only be improved upon by giving it better guts. The HC port may be in Alpha stages, but there are devs HARD at work trying to make it more, and eventually COMPLETELY functional. To THAT point, Andy Rubin said today that HC WILL be released later this year (possibly during Google IO?). I would call this news promising... Seeing as not all Android PHONES have received the GB update yet, even if the tab WERE slated (HA! get it?!) to receive a HC update, it's possible we wouldn't get it 'til later this year (Q3-4) or next year anyways.

Besides, HTC will release the EVO View 4G this summer, and from the looks of it, our opinions of perfection will most likely change with it's release (it's FREAKIN' SEXY!!) My opinion is biased, though as an EVO 4G owner.

Bottom line is; Whether Samsuck releases HC for we the bastard step children of the tab or not, we'll still get it...
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
I'm sorry, but this thread is as good as any for my little rant here...

And I'm not sure if this kind of thinking has been brought up in this particular thread, but in many others it is... so, I'm not singling out anyone, just venting general frustration :D

<vent-slash-b*tching>

"Why do you expect *beep* to receive any updates after you bought it, you don't expect your..."

Stop. STOP. right there. STOP, and think. Think veeery carefully what you're going to say.. car? Contrary to popular belief, this is actually a good comparison. If you buy a car in 2008, you won't magically get updated engine when 2011 version launches.. BUT! In *most* cases you WILL get updates to the underlying software, either straight from vendor or from a repair shop. This isn't usually free, but the most fees are the installation, not the software itself. I know for a fact that VAG did this at least a few years ago on a yearly basis. My friend's Audi -07 got updated software in -08 and -09 (after which he sold it, dunno after that). But that's two years....

We DON'T expect anyone to magically update our Tab's hardware to dualcore processing or anything (as much as we'd WANT to :D), just the software.

Before you scream, THINK again.

- My ADSL box got updated from the out-of-the-box version 2.0 to 3.0 and finally to 4.0 - two years after purchase.

Our DVR/Cable boxes update themselves automatically with new software updates via the cable. Terrestrial users need to use repair shops or download firmware from the net and use computer to update.

Switches/routers get firmware updates even years after purchase, wlan boxes get updated with new software (sometimes even adding new features).

My oldest computer (from the 80s) is running on -01 software. My old laptop that originally came with XP is happily living with Seven. My brother-in-law's laptop that originally came with 2k is now running with Seven.

So if you ask me if I expect my phone to be updated within six months of purchasing it - yes, yes I do. Why? Because almost EVERY OTHER DEVICE I own receives updates months, sometimes even YEARS after purchase.

If you really stop and think, the phone is really the ONLY thing that DOESN'T get updated after just a short amount of time you've had it.

And you expect me to be happy? Why do you say "no other devices receive updates", when in reality, they DO?

Yet again, we don't expect our hardware to be upgraded, but we DO expect to receive software updates after purchase, at least for a short time. And just because in our experience, that's how things happen. That's how it happens with most other devices.

So why not phones? And why is that OK?

<vent-slash-b*tching>
[Galaxy Tab General] tabing:
Wait and please don't jump to conclusion until officially announced. Also this Sunday 4/10/11 GT Wifi is going to release let's see which FW it has.
[Galaxy Tab General] foxmeister:
I understand your point and I do sort of agree with most of it, but your analogies are not quite accurate!

You've mentioned DSL routers, cable boxes, switches etc, but these all tend to have a much longer shelf life than mobiles phones, the market for which tends to move an awful lot faster. You don't tend to find many of these being updated once they are no longer a current model unless they are tied to a particular service. e.g. my Sky+ box (DVR) is associated with a subscription that I pay to Sky, so still receives occasional updates even though as a model it is no longer currently available.

You also mentioned upgrades from XP to W7 etc, but this is a flawed comparison because it is seldom the hardware manufacturer who provides the upgrades/updates to you, and in terms of new OS versions you usually have to pay for them.

I fully agree that Samsung and all other phone manufacturers should support their products fully during the period they are on sale, and for a few months thereafter, and that should mean at the very least getting OS updates, though not necessarily upgrades to new versions, though in the case of the Tab, there is a strong suggestion that we will get an update to Gingerbread.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with actually paying say up to £50 for a Honeycomb upgrade, if Samsung were to offer it in such a way.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab General] EvoTastic:
What are we all complaining about? We go out and get the first "REAL" Android Tablet on the market and are surprised that updates are not going to roll out. Especially since Samsung already has multiple tabs coming out by the end of Q3. It fit it's purpose and I am not surprised at all that there might not be an update to the SGT. The get the latest you have to buy the latest. Haven't we learned that by now? Be happy with what you have or buy the latest and greatest until you find a different reason to complain about it mere months after you purchase it.
[Galaxy Tab General] rqqk:
I cant believe I just read all of that.. Truthfully, I only read it all cause im sitting on the can and if I dont have something to read I cant go.. And I just want to say, this is hilarious.. The only reason I joined xda was because of all the amazing people who do amazing things for our toys.. Roms, themes, etc, etc.. I come here because 99% of the time I dont trust samsung/htc/motorola/at&t/rogers/ or anyone else to update/improve/or extend the life of my device any longer than it takes to suck the dollar bills straight out of my soul. Really. Think about it. Did you join here to fight about if samsung said this or if whoever said that? I sure hope not.. The funniest part is... Nobody here is named samsung right? Anyone here work for samsung? Anyone work for samsung that would like to get fired for publicly speaking about future plans for a device without their consent? Really.. Youre fighting about something that isnt even a reality yet.. Its like watching a couple of mid-pubecent boys fighting in the backyard with imaginary light sabers.. You expect that from a 5 yr old.. But nobody wants to hear your voice crackling during your super awesome sound effects.. Your too damn awkward. Think about that next time you feel the urge to argue over something that isnt confirmed or denied.. Its make believe until they come out and tell you.

Now that my legs have fallen asleep, I believe its time to get out of the bathroom.. Good day to you all.
[Galaxy Tab General] teacher1960:
You sweet troll you...

was there any point to this rant at all?

If so what was it?

All the points you made in your strange, all over the map rant, have already been made by what you call mid-pubecent boys, so what does that make you, except a troll?
[Galaxy Tab General] rqqk:
Just to clarify, I wasnt directing this at you or anyone else in particular.. And the point was, to not be so crazy serious for one, and to point out how funny it is when you step back and read all 7 pages worth of arguing. My personal opinion is I want honeycomb on my tab and I think its pretty cheap if samsung decides not to give an official port. At the same time, reading about people getting rid of their tabs because of an argument that isnt even confirmed ( or denied ) is absolutly hilarious! I think sometimes people need to really step back and take a look at whats real and whats not. Just because the weekly world news says bat boy is in my neighborhood doesnt mean that he really is.. Know what I mean? And what percentage of people on xda are running stock firmware? Not me.. Not with all the amazing devs and dedicated people working hard to give us all what samsung never will.. Complaining about if samsung will or will not give us honeycomb here, is like going to the samsung website and complaining that cm7 is still just a beta.. Im not a troll.. Im not trying to offend anyone, and if ive offended you in some way, well I apologize.. But really.. I think that anyone who has been arguing over this on here really needs to just take a deep breath, regain your sanity, and remember why you joined xda in the first place.. And then thank all of the great people here who spend so much of their time working for small donations and sometimes nothing at all just so that we can enjoy our tablets,phones, etc, to the fullest. They make this "rumour" and all others obsolete.
[Galaxy Tab General] teacher1960:
Man look at my posts !

I'm forever grateful for what the great devs at XDA do, and I have few illusions as to what Samsung will offer me for my GT in the future, but everybody's entitled to an opinion without people calling them names. You didn't like, that I called you a troll so you really shouldn't call people 5 year olds if their opinion differs from yours considering that all the points you made, have already been made by the same people you call 5 year olds.
[Galaxy Tab General] rqqk:
Sorry if you misunderstood my first post.. Im sure you do appreciate the devs as much as I do.. As much as 90% of us do.. But there are people who dont. Maybe they dont realize it or maybe they dont understand but whether samsung gives us honeycomb or not.. We'll have it soon.. Its alpha now but sooner than later itll be a solid rom.. So complaining about samsung offering it to us or not.. Its a meaningless argument.. And I wasnt calling anyone a child.. Just trying to maybe make a few of the people here fighting over whos right chuckle.. And maybe step back to realize that whatever samsung decides, honeycomb from them or not, we're all gonna be alright.. Thats what xda is for.. To give hope to the devices that have been forgotten by their creators.. Everyone has an opinion, and I never would try to make someone feel like they arent entitled to one.. But arguing over if someone said yay or nay is no opinion.. And not worth the argument. :)
[Galaxy Tab General] teacher1960:
Good enough!

We don't really disagree on anything significant, and I do agree that speculation about what Samsung plans to release is a lot less interesting than what people like Rotohammer, Alterbridge and Spacemoose1 are going to release in the future.
[Galaxy Tab General] kingpin003:
That's the thing though... I signed a contact with verizon for two years. I have a subscription and they still won't update it. Should've waited for another 7" tab... Curse my impatience! Hehe.

Oh well, spacemoose > samsung.
[Galaxy Tab General] rqqk:
True very true :)

Plus, am I the only one that's actually afraid to do stock updates or flash the stock roms? My experience is that they end up reversing root and in some cases block out custom recoveries.. I had an HTC magic and Rogers pushed out the sense update with the 911 fix and that screwed a lot of people.. luckily I waited out the 3g block and eventually I was fine without the update but there were endless posts of very angry Android users lol... anybody had an experience like that with the tab?
[Galaxy Tab General] jivemaster:
As a Galaxy tab and Xoom owner, I can see how honeycomb wouldn't work well for the tab. Things will be too crowded. The main reason for honeycomb is gpu acceleration, and this apparently comes in 2.4 (ice cream). I would be content if the tab could get this. Although it could be wishful thinking.

Remember manufacturers do not benefit from releasing updates. You bought their hardware and they have your money. Everything else is a bonus post purchase.

I don't agree with this but it's the reality of things. Android manufacturers make money from hardware - not software. It could be argued that manufacturers who support their devices have better customer satisfaction resulting in owners of their previous hardware buying the new when the old is not longer supported. Htc has this kind of following.

Because the tab and Nexus S share same/similar hardware, hopefully porting releases like ice cream won't be too difficult in the event we are left in the dark by samsung.
[Galaxy Tab General] grabertj:
But I though there will be the 2.4 ice cream which alike 3.0 honeycomb for smartphone like tab
[Galaxy Tab General] smaragdhk:
Yawn. . . Shall we get on with the thread please?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khakhi:
im battling to find a cradle for the X10 on the net, websites that i did find r out of stock or discontinued. can any offer assistance? I reside in South Africa
[Milestone 2 Themes and Apps] agent008my:
hey all, news on the street thanks to an XDA member is that google maps 5.3 is now available for downloading either at the marketplace or as an apk. do visit the following links for the links to the apk and the post, or get your copy from the android marketplace.

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-maps-5-3-for-android-available-now/

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12649761#post12649761

cheers
[Milestone 2 Themes and Apps] josedb:
I read somewhere that you can select an option to make the maps available when offline, downloading them the first time. is this true?

thanks
[myTouch 4G Themes and Apps] Nicgraner:
This is the new "stockish" leaked android music app from androidandme.com: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OZBS1Z6N

Edit: Ok my bad didn't see the other post with the link. Please delete before I get flamed lol
[Nook Color General] sgt.pepper99:
Hey, i'm having an issue with cyanogenmod 7 on my Nook Color. Switched from cupcake because I thought I'd have greater compatibility with apps. Since the change, programs that once worked (e.g. snesoid, beautifu widgets) won't book. Just get hung and ask me if I want to force close. I'm using the tablet tweaks and everything... is this just how it is, or did I mess up somewhere along the line? Thanks.
[Nook Color General] supersoulfly:
I can't speak for the specific apps or ROM ur using, but yeah this happens with the occasional app. Remember that u r using an unfinished product. It will get better as CM refines it. Android as a whole is a buggy system. Its never going to be as functional as something like iOS.
[Nook Color General] tj!2k7:
Did you wipe either Cache and/or Data partitions before flashing CM7? Wiping the Data partition will wipe all installed applications and settings, however, it will prevent any weird issues arising from incompatible settings across different ROMs and OS versions.

I don't know about snesoid, but my personal experience is that BW works very well in CM7.
[Nook Color General] lyam23:
Sounds like something's wrong. My Beautiful Widgets works great. I'd try reinstalling using these instructions:
[Nook Color General] joelszs:
I have similar problems with both Beautiful Widgets and the XDA app. When I log into the XDA app, it gives me a force close pop up. However, when I use the XDA app without logging in, I don't have any problems.

Which instructions are you referring to in that MASSIVE 100+ page post?

Thanks.
[Nook Color General] lyam23:
The first post on that page.. That's how I flashed CM7 (pretty standard method, really) and I have no problems with Beautiful Widgets. Haven't tested XDA app. To be honest, I have problems with XDA app on my Droid 1, CM7, so I never use it.
[Nook Color General] sgt.pepper99:
Thanks everyone! I installed following the instructions from wiki.cyanogenmod http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Barnes_&_Noble_Nook_Color:_Full_Update_Guide

I will give it another shot and report back when I do. Right now I've gone back to cupcake, but still having a problem with beautiful widgets- gets stuck on the "loading skins" screen, never loads.

p.s. I *did* wipe the cache and data partitions
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
"Cupcake"?? I think you mean "Eclair"?

Cupcake was many versions ago, before the Nook existed, and the Nook Color ships with Eclair...
[Nook Color General] sgt.pepper99:
So, I switched to cyanogen, but I couldn't get beautiful widgets or snesoid to run. Trying to revert to factory settings, but every time I try I get stuck on the word ANDROID in blue.

I've tried hard booting 8x, I've tried running the script to change the bootcount but this just gets me to clockworkmod. I try running the factory reset/data wipe option, but it clearly doesn't remove cyanogen. I've also tried sideloading a 1.1 version zip, all to no avail. Any suggestions? Would uninstalling clockworkmod help?
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
Are you sure you followed the 8-failed-boots method precisely? That really should have brought you back to stock, at least as far as I understand.

http://nookdevs.com/Flash_back_to_clean_stock_ROM
[Nook Color General] sgt.pepper99:
I really do think so. It brought me to clockwork recovery instead of the usual factory reset...
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
Well I'm out of my league (I haven't done this) but it seems there are still ways... You could check out http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...install-cwr-save-root-revert-stock-image.html or do some searches here.
[Nook Color General] sgt.pepper99:
Now I'm stuck on the N sign instead of android... Tried everything in the link here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=914690 including the boot partition. No dice. The only way i can get it to boot is to reinstall cyanogen. Is there some trick to uninstalling cyanogen? Any other suggestions out there?
[Nook Color General] sgt.pepper99:
It seems like cyanogen just WON'T WIPE. Even when I format my data, it still loads, despite clockworkmod reporting that it has been formatted. Ideas please!
[Nook Color General] MajTom:
Check at androidtablets dot net

look for the link about restoring and removing clockwork from an SD card. I'd post the link but I can't yet.