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[Atrix 4G General] killster:
I agree almost 100%

I sit here with both phones still. I love the Inspire, and Gingerblur on the Atrix makes me love the Atrix.

The interwebz speed is what is forcing the Inspire as my daily driver at the moment.

I have gone through 3 atrix's already, when i have it, i want to sell it, as you can see in my signature, and when i sell it, i want one. thus #3....

I almost NEED to wait and see 4g... and this backhaul att speaks of....

And then there is the Samsung infuse/enfuse? idk... But they say when its dropped, it will most certainly have the capable speeds, as will the 2 other flagship "4g" phones.

I treat my phones with utmost care, as i usually am selling them for the new and next best thing, and want to ensure they can be purchased as a 10/10 quality. That being said, I will say the case-mate case i have on the inspire gives GREAT protection, but makes a big phone even bigger, the atrix with the bodyglove feels tiny in my hands after 2 weeks of driving the inspire... I recently sold another iphone4, and it reminded me of the atrix in my hands, not build quality, as you mentioned above, but size...

4.3 qHD would be a perfect mix for me, and I am sure is what is in store for future HTC devices... but for now, I am in the same dilemia many are.

to Inspire, or not Inspire and Atrix my way through the rough of it...

to the avg user, hdmi out is no biggie, but to the ub3r geek in me who likes to VPN home, CIFS mount shares, and stream, hdmi is a big deal....

oh woe is me.....

Today Inspire still drives me to and from.... CM7rc4 battery gets me through the day, even as an Exchange Admin with more email on touchdown then most people, including gmail push...

But that said, i come right back with the atrix could get me past a full day!

like the good old Blackberry days..

theres my 2 cents, thrown into the pot, both heads up...

~killster
[Atrix 4G General] Man_of_Leisure:
I'm so sick of these threads.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
Then don't read 'em... Problem solved. :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G General] Man_of_Leisure:
Just like you have the right to create threads, I have the right to respond to them. If you don't like that, you want a blog, not a forum.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
You are absolutely correct. I appreciate your need to contribute completely unrelated, and pointless reflections on your own worthless personal opinion in my thread. So many others that are trying to decide between these two devices will find your additions to the subject of this thread invaluable. I truly hope that you will continue to follow that urge to spout your own polished, self-important drivel in the rest of the threads on this forum. If you don't, you will effectively be robbing us of your wisdom.

I'm sorry that I wasted your time reading my relatively well researched and thought out comparison between two close competing devices on the same carrier. From this point forward I'll be sure to continue adding to the typical device war crap like "TEH ATRIX IS A$$" and what not. That should sate your thirst for informative and entertaining topics on this forum.

Again. I'm very sorry.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
+1 I'm pretty sure there's already at least fifteen threads about Inspire vs Atrix. I thank you for taking the time to compare both and noting their strengths and weaknesses but like I said, there's already a ton of these threads and they just repeat the same opinions/info.
[Atrix 4G General] k0sun7eash3d:
It's true that there are a lot of posts that contribute this kind of information, but this one in particular was well thought out and written, and that helps provide a better reference for those interested. I also value those posts that say good things about devices. A lot of posts tend to complain about whatever device they're talking about. It's nice to have some good things to say in order to balance out the amount of user feedback.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Yea... the majority of threads you see with this same general topic are basically just "The Atrix BLOWS!!!! I'm going back to my Inspire" blah blah blah. He was polite enough to explain his thoughts on the phone thoroughly, and go through his overall opinion on the phone over time, showing what has changed in his mind about each phone. Can kinda think of it more as a "phone review" than a "disgruntled customer".....
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
There are many Inspire / Atrix threads I've read but this one is a good, unbiased, well written everyday user experience. +1 for op.
[Atrix 4G General] airprakken:
The battery cover design is one of the things I really like about the Atrix. It is flexible on my phone, not brittle at all. It fits well and is a breeze to get on and off -- after the first time. The first time I was also a little scared and it caught at the middle a little. Since then, it is trivial to do. Of course, it spends most of its time covered by two layers of Otterbox Commuter in my case.

I have not noticed any creakiness -- seems very solid to me. It's reinforced by the Otterbox, so I might not ever notice anyway.

My fingerprint scanner doesn't seem to work at all. I get nothing but too short a swipe messages (works for me about 1 time out of 20). I have been assuming this is due it being placed down in a little hole by the Otterbox. I'm perfectly willing to give that up to get the extra protection and reduced slipperiness. My last unprotected phone (BB 9000) only made it a year before I dropped it many times including into 2 feet of water (don't ask, I need to be drinking to talk about it).
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Yea.... i had the Defender for a day or so before i returned it for that one reason. Made it a bit more tricky to use the fingerprint reader. Found that too many times when i went to swipe (almost typed Swype in there... and no, not even on my phone. haha) my finger, it would wind up getting stuck with the outer soft casing of the Defender and either stop mid-swipe or skip part of my fingertip.
[Atrix 4G General] Slade8525:
fingerprint scanner works great for me; when i first got it i thought it would be a useless novelty.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Not saying it doesn't work great. It works phenomenally. The issue is that some cases.... or mostly the OtterBox Defender, has quite a large hole where the fingerprint scanner resides.... and part of that hole is surrounded by the soft silicon/rubber of the outer shell of the case, which can make trying to get a solid swipe across the fingerprint reader a bit of a pain.
[Atrix 4G General] daveop:
This is a pretty good review. I too left for an inspire and couldn't be happier, but I can see why people like their Atrix. Having cm7 was the deal breaker for me but if roms aren't a big deal the Atrix might be a better fit. I also had two phones with extremely bad call quality issues but I hear that's more of an isolated thing.
[Atrix 4G General] yokozuna82:
I came from the captivate...to the atrix to the inspire and back to the atrix ...the only thing I miss from the inspire is htc sense
[Atrix 4G General] -Roze-:
+1 :D great unbiased and amusing post. I was about to moan when I saw how long your post was, Divinedark but your well thought out/written comparison made me finish it without realizing it. :)
[Atrix 4G General] CyberPunk7t9:
Well written OP. It's actually like two reviews of both phones and not just which beats which.

Thank you.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
Well, the comparison is over. The Atrix made it's way back to the AT&T store day before yesterday.

What pushed me over the edge?

1.) The dev community. As I have written earlier in this thread, the battery life of the Inspire really caused me to take pause. The Atrix just performed so much better... That was until I ran into Leedroid's Rom. I tried it when I first got my phone, but didn't bother with the SetCPU stuff. Well, while playing with the phone, I flashed from CoreDroid to LeeDroid, and actually ran SetCPU on the default (smartass) setting. I'm STILL on that same charge... I'm not even kidding. I couldn't even believe it.

Also, my other thing that I really held high with the Atrix was the GPS. Well, while out running around in Atlanta, which is the most driver unfriendly place to live, period, I was using the Inspire to navigate. I never had fewer than 5 sats locked constantly. Super accurate, and super stable.

2.) The screen: Yes, the Atrix has a higher res screen... But the pentile matrix just rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it was just me (very possible), but I feel like I could see more pixels on the Atrix than the Inspire, regardless of pixel density. Also, color transitions on the Inspire were cleaner. If you used the Atrix with the XDA app, you'd notice on the startup screen distinct gradients of brown, as opposed to a smooth blended transition.

The brightness of the Atrix screen is still something I can't fix with the Inspire. You could see the Atrix screen clearly outside. The Inspire requires some shading to be seen.

3.) Motorola... Yes... Motorola. They absolutely crippled their own hardware by locking it down with their poorly optimized software. If you're going to load the phone down with your poorly received Android skin, so be it. Just make sure you leave the bootloader unlocked so people like the Cyanogen team, DesignGears, and Leedroid can fix it for you if need be.

The phone is a beast, so it's not like the phone was unusable, but you just constantly think about what could have been, and that you will never be able to truly have an Android experience with that device, which in my opinion revolves heavily around the XDA-Developers community and forums.

The brightest light I could shine on this was the HSUPA situation. I have it on the Inspire... Without waiting for AT&T to push it out to me... I have it. The Atrix owners will have to bide their time before they can be on par with the iPhone 4...

It's really an injustice what Motorola did to such an amazing device. I still believe that there will be a time when the Atrix get's it's updates and it makes me once again come to that place where I'm rolling around sweating in bed, wondering if I'd made the right decision.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
I still really get the feeling they're holding off on the unlocked bootloader until AT&T enables HSUPA on it. Like i've said in other threads.... if it's true that AT&T hasn't enabled it yet due to wanting to test the network beforehand, it would kinda make sense to require the bootloader to be locked until such a time. No sense disabling HSUPA on the phone with an unlocked bootloader so they can test their network if a large number of people will find a way to use HSUPA anyway.
[Atrix 4G General] JBO1018:
Lol moto unlock the bootloader? Where you getting crazy ideas like that?
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
someone sounds a little anti-moto. But if my previous statement does in fact have some truth to it, how would you know it wasn't AT&T who told them to lock it in the first place until everything with HSUPA is sorted out?
[Atrix 4G General] k0sun7eash3d:
I have to say, I really doubt it's the death star telling Moto to lock the bootloader. Looking at Motorola's track record with their other Android releases on Verizon, the locked bootloader is their call completely.
[Atrix 4G General] JBO1018:
I don't mean to be anti moto I don't have a lot of experience with them. I just don't think counting on the HSUPA deal having anything to do with the locked bootloader makes sense based on motos track record. I think moto plays a big part in it but I do get the feeling based on other devices getting more and more locked down that the carriers are definitely putting pressure on manufacturers to lock things down. Didn't mean any offense.
[Atrix 4G General] blunted09:
if i wanted to be locked down, i would have bought an iphone...
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Well.... i'd rather keep a little hope than look at Motorola's history. I mean... so far, the Atrix is their most locked down phone.... so you never know.
[Atrix 4G General] JBO1018:
I'm all for hope. I hope you right. I really wish that google, the manufacturers, and the carriers would get together and work out an OEM unlock solution for all phones that gives everyone what they want for the most part. Basically unlocked devices for those who want them, protection from false warranty claims and illegal tethering for carriers and a streamlined solution to make it all integrate easily for google. Probably not likely, but it would be the best thing for the platform IMO.
[Atrix 4G General] anupash:
weird gradient of the startup screen of XDA App is due to the fact that the image file used in the background has not been updated to the Atrix's Resolution .. so there is stretching ... this is in fact true for so many apps like speedtest as u will observe ....
[Atrix 4G General] jsntrenkler:
Great review, thanks for sharing.
[Atrix 4G General] naplesbill:
The BackFlip was worse, it took a VERY long time to even get root access.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
Okay... So my last post wasn't actually the last update. I thought I'd throw this in.

I'm currently faced with an issue. My beloved Inspire has a flaw. It's something that people are noticing more and more as their phones are being used. It may turn out to mean very little, but if it get's worse, it will ruin the phone, and cause a major pain to the owners of the phone.

The screen lifts on the bottom right hand side of the phone. People are reporting dust under the glass and a discoloration of the screen when the search button is pushed. I looked over my phone, fairly satisfied that my phone was not seeing any of these issues. Well... Guess what? It is. The screen is raised above the metal frame, and squishes down when I press it. This causes the SLCD panel to compress, bleeding the color out of the screen.

Now, again... This may not mean much in the long run. Maybe it's just the whatever they use to hold the glass on having a hard time holding in that corner, and this is as far as it's going to get, but there's no guarantee. I have 2.5 weeks left on my 30 return policy, but it seems to me that almost every Inspire is seeing something similar to a certain extent. So, I'm back to the big question... What do I do?

I've already decided that I'm the most happy with the Inspire, by the slimmest of margins, but I've also found it hard to give up the development community because Motorola hates it's customers (hehe). This really sucks... I'm now right back where I started, stuck between multiple choices that aren't so very far apart in terms of viability.

Do I return the Inspire? Hope that the one I get from them doesn't have the problem, even though there's no telling if this might happen at some point around the 30 day mark?

Do I just live with it and try to baby the screen? Knowing full well that if dust gets under the glass, I will freak out (slight OCD).

Do I bite the bullet and exchange the phone for the Atrix? I at least know I liked the device, but not as much as the Inspire.

Do I just take the phone back and make due with my Focus until something else comes along?

I don't know... Maybe the lack of sleep and has caused me to overblow this particular issue. I'll revisit this tomorrow. Feel free to leave comments. :p

TH
[Atrix 4G General] gordec:
Just wondering what entails cracking the bootloader? I guess it's ridiculous since it took like 2 years to unlock xperia x10's bootloader.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
It's a matter of finding Motorola's official certificate and duplicating it, as far as I can read. HTC has signed the bootloader on some of their windows phones, and they have been cracked, but it took a looong time. Heartbreaking, really.
[Atrix 4G General] gordec:
I have a guy selling me one week old atrix for 350. Thinking about getting it and sell my inspire. I just need root and tether. Custom rom is not a huge deal to me. Battery life is the big thing for.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
I hear ya, man. Actually, I've found that with the LeeDroid rom on the Inspire that my battery life far surpasses that of the Atrix. It's amazing what SetCPU can do to save power with Android phones. If only the Atrix didn't have a signed bootloader. You'd never have to charge the damn thing.
[Atrix 4G General] gordec:
What settings u use for set cpu?
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
LeeDroid's rom has presets. I use the "Smartass" setting, which is 245min/1036max.
[Atrix 4G General] gordec:
I was at the AT&T store checking out the Atrix for the first time. I agree the color is very weird when compared next to the Inspire and the Captivate which this store happen to have all 3 of these phone next to each other. You won't notice it at normal reading distance if you are just holding the phone by itself but when you look close or put it next to the other 2 phones, it just jumps out at you.

Still I'm debating whether I should switch anyways. For $350 off contract it's a great deal. Can probably get $300 for my Inspire on Ebay.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
I'm still weighing my options. I did enjoy my time with the Atrix, and i could actually live with a locked boot loader as long as the other little bugs don't present themselves. I'm talking about:

1.) Random rebooting

2.) Random Lockups

3.) Data refusing to reconnect without a power down/Airplane Mode trick

4.) Heating up like a toaster oven in my pocket

5.) Catching a device with the dreaded bad battery.

6.) Rolling the dice on getting a handset without call quality issues
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
I think it is interesting when people list things like this. I never had one of those issues (except the battery would get warm when I was multitasking the crap out of it). neither on the shipping ROM or the OTA updated one. How many units have you had/tried?
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
These weren't things of my experience. I've had 2 Atrix's, personally, and the only thing I've really had an issue with was the heat, and the call quality of my first handset. I was listing the things reported on this forum and a couple other Android sites as identified bugs. That doesn't mean they're wide spread, and I wasn't insinuating that. I was just saying that I would be perfectly happy with the Atrix again if I could get a handset that worked out of the box. I like my local AT&T store, but not enough to visit every day for a return.
[Atrix 4G General] gordec:
I had the captivate and 2 of 3 had random restarts that started after about 1 month of ownership. I hope this is not the case with Atrix, but I guess I can just wait it out. I'm ok having Inspire for 1 year and wait for upgrade then.
[Atrix 4G General] gnnash:
I'm sure you're following my thread in the Inspire forum, but I ended up exchanging my Inspire for an Atrix. When I went to the AT&T store I checked the display model, and it had a lifted screen as well. The glass lifting simply seems too widespread of a problem, and I'd probably go through several replacements of the Inspire before HTC finally changed manufacturing methods, if they ever did.

Good luck with your decision!
[Atrix 4G General] co.ag.2005:
oh, gotcha. thanks for the clarification. yes, the handset is amazing if it is working properly out of the box, which is the case for mine and my fiance's.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
I think I may be following that same procedure. The only thing is resetting my handset back to factory... Something tells me this might take longer than actually rooting, and roming the damn thing.
[Atrix 4G General] gordec:
u guys think the display is driver or kernel issue not the actual lcd panel.
[Atrix 4G General] gnnash:
There is nothing wrong with the display itself. The problem is the glass over the screen is literally lifting up from the phone.
[Atrix 4G General] Divinedark:
And in a shocking twist at the tail end of this shootout, after the dust had settled the Inspire stood alone... Then, out of nowhere, the Atrix picked itself up off the blood soaked road, and in true spaghetti western style, shot the Inspire in the back.

The Atrix walks away the victor... For now...
[Atrix 4G General] k0sun7eash3d:
Lol I'm really starting to love this thread. It's like a drama miniseries. You should write an Atrix fanfic or something!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhemke17:
My rom has an issue with the market. it does not show some paid for apps. I know there is a fix for this, I just don't know what it is. If someone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT- FIXED IT. THIS THREAD CAN BE DELETED.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aedillor:
So what exactly did u do to fix the issue? Might help some other people in the forum....

sent though PNB Rapid Remit through my Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbh87:
Edit the build-prop
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhemke17:
Exactly....I will document the changes below so others can do the same.

I made a change to this line

Original:

ro.build.fingerprint=verizon_wwe/htc_mecha/mecha/mecha:2.2.1/FRG83D/340029:user/release-keys

Edited:

ro.build.fingerprint=verizon_wwe/htc_mecha/mecha/mecha:2.2.1/FRG83D/338893:user/release-keys

Then I just rebooted and it was fixed.
[Xperia Arc General] xperiax10.awesome:
Hi,

So now we have HDMI output, did anyone tried playing games on BIG screen??

Please let me if there is any lag or anything while playing n watching on TV..
[Xperia Arc General] gupta.anurag08:
I tried my frnd's phone, played asaphlt..no issues found..
[Xperia Arc General] jojosplace:
Angry Birds + 46" screen = win.

It's an odd experience however, as you need to check the phone to make sure your fingers are in the right place.
[Xperia Arc General] gupta.anurag08:
Try racing games, they are more fun :)
[Xperia Arc General] ronniecross:
I'm waiting on receiving my HDMI cable, however when I do, one of the first things I'll be trying is speedx3D on the telly!
[Xperia Arc General] Regii:
Speaking of HDMI cable:

http://www.amazon.de/mumbi-MINI-Kab...=sr_1_1?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1302280369&sr=1-1

This one will fit and suffice, won't it?
[Xperia Arc General] xperiax10.awesome:
I got my HDMI cable along with the phone.
[Xperia Arc General] im_iceman:
Ronniecross and I are part of a testlab that SE set up and got our phones for free!! :D:D unfortunately they didn't include the HDMI cables on the day so we're waiting for them to send them to us... :(

Hopefully won't have to wait much longer..
[Xperia Arc General] d_dan:
speaking of which have you any?
[Xperia Arc General] gupta.anurag08:
Asaphlt

Fast n furious

Need for speed
[Xperia Arc General] StickyGeko:
ashpahlt 5 works nice n smooth... then lags and then goes smooth again

dungeon defenders plays well
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
Does anyone have a link to where I could contact Verizon preferably through email? I have some very important questions that I need to ask them
[Droid X General] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
how about you start at www.verizonwireless.com?
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
Oh really? Get tthe hell out of this forum if you're going to be like that. I posted that because I've spent about an hour searching that damn site and no matter what I try, I can't seem to get to an email link. So unless you have something helpful to post get off this forum
[Droid X General] bigshotrob22:
Try this https://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/contact/email.jsp
[Droid X General] ksmitchell:
You could also try HQExec.Relations@verizonwireless.com
[Droid X General] mrkite38:
Please don't feed the trolls. ;) While poorly put, he does have a point... this was pretty easy to find.

Speaking of which - you need to navigate to that address manually, so:

1. verizonwireless.com

2. 'Contact us' link in top link bar (small, blue)

3. 'send an email' box (left side)

4. select the appropriate account type and click the arrow

6. 'send an email' box (lower left hand corner)

7. fill the form and send
[Droid X General] zwade01:
I can't tell you how many times I've seen you tell somebody, "search is your friend," instead of giving them helpful information as well.
[Droid X General] brutalsnowman:
www22(dot)verizon(dot)com/customersupport/contactus