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[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] diggedy:
out of curiosity, why do you not trust google with your calendar information?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
It’s not just about me not trusting google. I have company sensitive data in my calendar. No company will entrust its data to any third party.

Anyway, even if I didn’t have such data in my calendar, I would follow my golden rule which is: “Minimize your electronic foot-print!” If I don’t need that information uploaded on the web, why would I let google have it? My privacy means very much to me. That’s the reason why I never yielded to facebook, twitter and other madness, willingly spreading tons of information about myself and why at the great days of cloud computing I’ll have all my data stored and encrypted on my hdd. :D I’m sure I sound extremely paranoid to many people, but such paranoia never cost me anything, it can only pay. ;)

Even though I’m not so naïve to think I can protect my privacy from everyone and every company. My mobile operator and even google knows abou me more, than I like. Isn’t that scary??? :(
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Hi jean001luc, thanks for your reply. :)

I’m not looking for an application for Outlook <-> Android synchronization. I found MyPhoneExplorer and Android-Sync and they both seem to be OK. However, that application touchdown seems to be very good and completely separate calendar is what I would need. Unfortunately I cannot synchronize directly with Exchange (I think it’s because all protocols except for the one needed for Outlook <-> Exchange communication are blocked) and even if I could I’m not allowed to use non-freeware program. So even if I bought touchdown, I wouldn’t be allowed to use it (again company policy which I cannot change).

But what I definitely need to know is how did all my calendar events uploaded on the internet to my google calendar despite my tries to block this action. I unchecked all checkboxes at my google account settings (checkboxes for “Sync Calendar”, “Sync Contacts” and “Sync gmail”) and it has copied anyway. But only once. Since then no changes were synchronized… It’s very odd and it makes me angry because obviously I don’t have it under control even though I try so hard. :mad:
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jean001luc:
Depends when you stopped the sync. It's possible that you synchronised your calendar wth outlook and then terminated the sync option for google?

OR, you created the google account after the outlook sync? When the google account is created the default option is to sync everything and this sync can take place fairly quickly. So, is it possible that sync took place before you had the option to disable google sync. I cant see any other way calendar would have synchronised.

Going forward though you can test by editing your calendar to make sure it doesnt sync by creating entried on the phone (after unchcking the sync option in settings > accounts).

Not sure how Android sync works but there are syns applications which RELY on google sync - e.g. when you do your outlook sync it will send the data to google and then the phone downloads it from google to complete the sync. If Android sync uses that then it explains why your data is on google.

Quite suprised your company doesnt allow paid application to be used. Its normally the other way round - most corporates do not allow free apps as they have limited support and possibly full of bugs.

You could always try Missing Sync to sync with Outlook, although I have had problems with synchronisning contacts with this software as it wont sync contacts that are created or edited on the android...this is a known problem with product but the company isnt doing anything to fix it...ive supplied them with all the information they need but they are too busy doingn other things - even though they acknowledge there is a problem.

As an aside, are you aware you can chose to display different google calendars within the calendar app on android? this way you can have multiple calendars but only display/sync the one you want - sync of course wont take place for a specific calendar unless settings > account sync is enabled
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Well the thing is I first filled all information to connect my phone to my google account (in my phone), immediately after that disabled all three checkboxes for synchronization, then created some fake events in my phone calendar, did some turning on and off (wi-fi, sync button on the Power widget and even the phone). Meanwhile I was checking internet google calendar if synchronization took place. Negative. Then I installed calendar snooze, did some turning on and off few times and it was all there! But since then no changes done in my mobile synced to my google calendar. But in whole process I never synced my phone with Outlook, I was just using phone calendar and did all changes there… I’ll have to do all this once again and check whether sync didn’t take place just after installing calendar snooze.

I guess you mean more calendars created in one google account, right? So I could create one more calendar in my google account, leave it empty and then display it in my android calendar app and if something would try to sync it would be this empty calendar. Then when I would like to see my real calendar or sync it with outlook I would just unchecked that fake one and checked the real one. Did I get your point? But it seems quite too complicated and fiddly. :-P
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sp8y:
I've only skipped through your thread & much of what's mentioned I've never used so don't fully understand it but if you still get the problem where the google calendar is still syncing even though the sync checkbox is disabled you can disable wifi/data access for the google calendar sync by using Droidwall BUT you would need to be rooted for that. Without going through the thread again I can't remember if you didn't want to root the phone.

*edit - having re-read a couple of your posts I'm not sure if my post is what you are after.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
I’m not sure, but I guess I void the warranty if I root the phone. Also I guess rooting is irreversible, right? So rooting is my last option. But I’m very grateful for any solution that would solve this problem, so thank you sp8y! :) Droidwall seems to be good app. Is it reliable (some comments on market say it’s not)?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sp8y:
You can unroot I had z4root on my defy when it had android 2.1.

I'm now running android 2.2 but using superoneclick to root via a pc as z4 wouldn't work but I think i read that the newer versions of superoneclick do have unroot feature. Not too sure on that though.

Droidwall has been fine for me and i've disabled access for most things.

Sent from my MotoDefy.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jean001luc:
Yes and No

You can have multiple calendars on android - one for each google account that you creat in settings>accounts.

when you view your calendar you can chose to either view entries from ALL or some of them on the phone.

When you create an entry on google (on internet), that calendar item will sync to the phone (assuming (a) you have settings>accounts>sync>calender sync enabled for that account and (b) in the calendare applicaiton you have calendar sync enabled for the specific account). Option (b) basically means if you have multiple calendare PER account you can chose to display or sync/not sync those. Remember you can have multiple calendars on google

When you create an entry on the android phone calendar you can choose (at time of creation) which calendar it is to be created under

With ref to 'real and fake', you can chose to have them both disaplayed at same time. You would only use the one calendar app but can see entries from from both at same time OR chose to display entries from one. Important part is when you CREATE entries on the android that you cose to create it in the correct calendar. If for examply you create it in the one that syncs to outlook then the entry will stay on your phone as you will have set sync to disable for this calendar (either under settings>accounts if you are using different google accounts OR under the calendar applciation if you are using same google account for all calendars but want to disable sync for the outlook calendra

Am I making it all more complicated? Its difficult to explain it but worth playing with (a) settings>accounts>sync and (b) sync options in the calendar application. Also bear in mind that you have option of either having multi calendars for same google account and multiple google accounts.

All good fun :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Hello jean001luc

I cannot find that option “(b) sync options in the calendar application” you mention. When I start the Android calendar app, I click menu button -> more -> there are two options:

1) My calendar – there I can see my google account with checkbox to enable or disable it. That’s all. When I click the menu button, I can add or remove calendar/s. No sync options.

2) Settings – there are options: “Hide declined events”, “Week view”, “Set alerts & notifications”, “Select ringtone”, “Vibrate” and “Default reminder time”. Again no sync options.

Did I miss anything?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Now, just now some of my tasks uploaded into my internet google calendar. I cleared all events after first sync and now I saw sync icon in my mobile’s panel so I logged into my google calendar on the internet and it was there! Odd thing is that only some of my test events uploaded: one of three for today, 0 / 3 for tomorrow, 0 / 1 for Saturday and 1 / 1 for Sunday. I really don’t understand it! I have all three checkboxes for “Sync Calendar”, “Sync Contacts” and “Sync gmail” at my account settings unchecked… :mad:
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
OK, so now I know a bit more about what went wrong. I reset the pone to factory defaults. Then placed the Power widged on the screen and enabled the sync button. Then I provided all information needed so that my phone could connect to my google account. Then I unchecked all three checkboxes at the account settings. After that I created some fake events in my calendar and then I turned on wi-fi. Even though all checkbox were unchecked the phone immediately started to synchronize and after few seconds all my events were displayed in my google calendar on the internet!!! :mad: So those checkboxes don’t mean anything the phone will sync whether you like it or not… :mad:

As it seems now that only options I have are to root the phone and delete the calendar sync adapter from /system/app as I was advised by 999phonebug or root the phone and install Droidwall as sp8y recommends. Hopefully my phone will work OK and I won’t need to claim the warranty and try to unroot the phone… :(
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yishao:
sync with wifi
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jean001luc:
Hi

In the calendar app click Menu, More, Calendars (this one shows up at same place as New Eent and Settings). Once yo select Calendars you will see all your google accounts (those with calendars). If you have mutliple calendars for a google account you need to expand the account by pressing the little Triangle, then you will see the actual calendar. Next to each calendar you will see a Sync symbol and an Eye. The sync symbol indicate it is to be syncd and the eye indicates that it is visible in the app

Hope that helps
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jean001luc:
Strange

I have never had this problem and Ive rebuilt my phone a number of times. even when it wasnt rooted I didnt have this issue. There must be something wrong somehwere on your phone. If you chose not to sync then it should NOT sync.

I wonder if its related to the backup option which I dont use. When you ccreate your first (main) google account, at account creation time, there is a small check box on bottom of screen (cant remember exactly where as it only happens when the first accont is created) to backup your data.. If you leave this checked I guess the system sends everything to google (I guess).

This is the process I normally follows:

1) reset phone

2) bypass motoblur

3) connect to wifi (not that it makes a difference)

4) creat google account

5) do not check option to backup data (done during account creation)

6) disable sync for calendar, mail and contacts

7) load my data (calendar and contacts)

8) away I go. Nothing syncd

9) if I do want to sync (which I do with another google account) i enable sync once that account is created

No probs whatsoever
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sp8y:
If you do go down the system/app route it may best to just rename the calendar sync app (i normally just add fro to the end of the apk name) instead of deleting it as it's then easy to get back.

I've been there in the past and deleted apps without having a backup......

I use Supermanager for root read/write access and it does what i need. There's a few others out there with root access as well.

Sent from my MotoDefy.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Nope, there is no little triangle, no eye and no sync symbol, just a checkbox before the name of account, which enables / disables calendar, so its event are / are not displayed. :(

Nope, no data backup option. I did everything you wrote and I was never asked whether to backup data or not. :(

Thank you sp8y for good advice, renaming is always better than deleting… :-P

Thank you all for your advice, but it seems hopeless. I do not have those options you talk about and those I have don’t work. It really drives me crazy! :mad: :mad: Rooting seems to be the only way… :mad:

Btw. That magical button for syncing at the Power widget is “a little miracle” too… When I enable it, it also enables background data (settings -> data manager -> data delivery -> backroud data) and checkboxes for account sync appear. “Miraculous” about this button is that disabling it doesn’t disable background data. Isn’t that wonderful? :-/ But that would only be a little bug. However the fact that my calendar syncs no matter what I do and even though all sync checkboxes are unchecked, that is real pain in my a**… :mad:
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jean001luc:
Hmm...interesting.

The trianlge and eye may not be there as Im using a different version of the calendar (ive upgraded to the PAYS ROM). However, even BEFORE I upraded I was able to prevent sync to google for contact, calendar and mail. Im extremely suprised that your phone does not allow this and not sure what to suggest now.

Must be something wrong because why would the system sync after you disable the sync option.

As for the backup option, that is quite easy to miss as you can bypass it if you are not reading the screen - its not something you are forected to select/unselect. When you create the account and the password has been verified, on the following screen, before you press Finish, in the bottom left you should see an option to disable backup.

Apart from that Im not sure what to suggest. Sorry I couldnt resolve all your problems. Worth looking for the backup option though - it HAS to be there. Note that this only appears when you create/add the FIRST (your primary) google account
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
I may try it once more, but I’ve been very careful not to miss anything… However it’s very nice of you trying to help me. Thank you very much! :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sp8y:
Not sure if this help you in any way - may just confirm any suspicions you may have.

In my google account settings I only have the gmail checkbox ticked to perform auto sync - the calendar & contacts are disabled.

So I went into the calendar, menu, more, calendars & alongside my gmail calendar it shows the sync icon & the "eye" icon - I didn't sync it & just pressed cancel. Then went into my google account settings & even though the calendar sync was still disabled the date & time showed it had synced when I accessed the calendar?

And that's with using the UK froyo leaked ROM 3.4.3-11.

After reading all this about calendars I may start using mine - time to get out the dark ages away from pen & paper :)

Hope you get sorted :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jean001luc:
Intersting. I would have expected Settings > Accounts > Sync to over ride the calendar settings - e.g. if you disable it in settings > accounts it should NOT sync at all
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sp8y:
Yes that's exactly what I thought but to satisfy my own curiosity I did the same exercise again & I went into settings, accounts, sync & unchecked the calendar sync option. Opened up the calendar, menu, more & the sync & eye icons were visable.

Went back into the google account & the calendar sync still unchecked but the date & time for the sync showed it had again synced :confused:

So it seems it will sync when calendar is accessed even when sync is disabled :confused:
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jean001luc:
Confused indeed. Same here

Sorry - not sure what to suggest now. It's not working as its supposed to
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sp8y:
No problem - I've learned quite a bit from this thread & didn't use the calendar function before & have now started to use it so at least for me it's a new feature.

Hope the OP can get some benefit & get it working as he requires.

Thanks :D
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fragmaniac:
Didn't read the whole thread but I think this idea wasn't in it yet:

I got the exacpt same problem with Android syncing my calendar despite having un-checked the option.

".. delete the calendar sync adapter from /system/app .." is not available in Androi 2.1.

My solution to sync without Google: Use Exchange-Account to create a calender and use MyPhoneExplorer with Thunderbird.

To do this without paying for actual Exchange-Service, all you need is Kerio Connect Trial-Version and DynDNS.

[I cannot post outside Links. kerio dot com / connect and dyndns dot com]

Set up own Exchange-Server on your Computer, forward needed/all ports from your Router to your PC, set up URL with DynDNS. Now just create an account on your phone and select that you want to sync a calendar with it. Now uninstall Kerio. Calendar without google and without cloud-syncing :)

Worked fine for me. Phone so far never complained about not being able to connect to my Exchange-Server.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Hello and thank you all.. :)

The last post sounds very interesting and promising. Isn't it wonderful: google turns people into maniacs setting up their own exchange servers just to protect their phones from syncing with google account! ;) Charming! :D Anyway, I'm going to try it.

Btw: do you too see the little add at the right down corner of the page informing you how to sync Outlook with android directly over secure USB? Strange coincidence, isn't it? ;)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bebr:
Avoid Defy

Thanks for explaining the hassles with Defy, Google and privacy.

I just dropped my decision to buy the Defy and will keep my LG Optimus instead - it has a PC sync program that works fine, without needing to sync anything online.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Well it's not that simple so you can say avoid Defy. I have not yet tried anything mentioned above since I had no time, but I live with my defy and I wouldn't change it for enything else (available nowadays). Everything has it's pros and cons and so far I like more things about Defy than I dislike. It's the tendency to spy on people more and more and fact that people don't mind or even don't realize it that irritates me... If you are aware of it and you try to do something about it, you will solve these problems somehow. I'm definitely going to try to...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kallden:
complete googlefree

Hi,

I run my Defy complete googlefree.

Ideally you do a fresh install, of course, for the real freedom, you need CM7.1.

Or you just delete Google Account on your phone after you backed up your contacts and calendar data with MyPhoneExplorer.

You need an app that creates an calendar and contacts account on your phone:

Download the Open Source Software "Funambol Sync" from here: forge(dot)funambol(dot)org/download/#phone. Look for the direct download link at the top of the text! (you do not have to give them your personal infos)

Install Funambol Sync. Hint: Not every version of Funambol app has Calendar support. Check if it works for you by creating a test date in your calendar. Version 10.04 works for me. 10.02 didn't work.

Open Funambol. Now you have to sign-in for one time. Register at myFunambol.org. Sync in Funambol app is set to manual by default (= no automatic sync). Check app and phone settings to confirm. Alternative: set up your own Funambol server on your computer (not easy, but worth it).

Play back your contacts and dates with MyPhoneExplorer. Finished!

Without Google Account, the most Google Apps still work, like Maps, but not the "Market". (backup those apps to sd-card before you delete your Google Acount). If you want to still watch youtube videos you need CM7. In the Browser settings set user agent to Linux Desktop (you need a flash player.apk).

FDroid is an alternative for the "Market", open source software only! Download directly from their website, copy to your Defy and install via any file app. Almost everything necessary for your defy army phone is in there. ;-)

Hope that helps! Don't forget to donate something to the devs!

Cheers

Kallden
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Hi Kallden,

that sounds very promissing, thanks! I just want to ask: are any data sent or synchronized with Funambol servers or somewhere else on the cloud (without me wanting it)?

FDroid sounds cool too. :-)

Thank you for your advice once more. :-)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kallden:
You can deactivate the sync in Funambol Client! And it does what you have set, in contrast to the google account ;-) I had the same problems with the settings, like you. Funambol is open source, I do trust that software more than any other contacts software for android, I know of, (even more than MyPhoneExplorer).

I only see a possible problem at the initial setup of the funambol client.

I have my own funambol server, so I don't know what happens in the moment, when you register at myfunambol.org. On my server, after install, it syncs only, when I push the sync button on my phone. So it should be the same with myfunambol.org.

Here's the way you can avoid any risk:

When you delete your Google account, all your Contacts and Calendar Data should be deleted too. If not delete it. You have your backup in MyPhoneExplorer.

Then install the funambol client.

Register to their service just to initiate the Contacts and Calendar Database on your phone. And then deactivate automatic sync and syncing in the funambol settings and in the phone settings! You should also deactivate "Background Data"

If you really want to be sure, you can make a test by creating a testphantasy contact on the phone and then look what happens on the myfunambol.org site. You can check via your Browser what kind of data was uploaded. (I would like to mention here, that if I was to ever put my data in the cloud, I would trust myfunambol.org only, because their business model is not advertisment and I know how the server works on my computer.)

After that, you can use MyPhoneExplorer to replay your data to your phone and never use the funambol client anymore.

You could even more be secure, if you root your phone and install the Firewall "DroidWall" (it is in FDroid). In DroidWall you can close any internetconnection for an app like funambol client permanently. But you need to root your phone.

Good Luck!
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] google-the_big_brother:
Hi Kallden,

can you post any link how to set up my own funambol server? With it you don't have to register at all, right? Thanks! :-)