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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crashingout:
wow!

Something tells me dhero has never used an atrix, been an android power user, played starfox 64 on their atrix with a wiimote, or understood the walled garden of apple's for what it is: a fortress of steve jobs devoid of hacking(the good kind), pornography, and meant for people of all ages, like the 13 year old darky hero here. Judging by your blind optimism for iOS and writing, maybe steve jobs was on the money making a sanitized kids toy. Oh wait its not a kids toy it shatters like a wine glass from 4 feet. Ok, I guess he just wants your money. Every year. You cannot even swap the damn batteries out, my last smartphone lasted me 3 years with 4 batteries. And yes it got five days of solid use with an extended battery...

Ugh don’t get me started on apple and their financial brilliance(their financial success often comes at the cost of their customers, *cough* apple tax *cough*).
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kartik50:
So - clarity wise can anyone say its better than SGS? Also- I just saw a review from PhoneDog saying that Nexus S>Atrix? WTF? I mean lag lag lag lag thats all the Atrix was doing? I know there arent any custom roms - Damn you motorola! - but will there be fixes? I know what its like to get a cutting edge phone that became obsolete (samsung Tocco). BTW u guys reply FAST. Thanks!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1454:
Definitely. SGS has a 480x800 sceen. Clarity will definitely be better than that.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stewartsoda:
I haven't seen any lag on my phone. Granted, I'm coming from a Touch Pro, so anything should seem fast buuuut...

Get Opera Mobile from the marketplace for a web browser and it clips along pretty good.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kartik50:
So it's not android optimization for dual core? If thats the case, then why te f.u.c.k did Moto even put on blur?!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
I have two screenshots with accompanying pictures of the screen for comparison:

http://www.mylilsite.net/images/atrix/homescreen1.png

http://www.mylilsite.net/images/atrix/homescreen1-t2i.jpg

You'll notice any solid color ends up being "checkerboarded" by the PenTile screen.

http://www.mylilsite.net/images/atrix/speakPrompt1.png

http://www.mylilsite.net/images/atrix/speakPrompt1-t2i.jpg

The gradient was already weird (blocky?) in the screenshot, but on the actual screen it just looks terrible.

I notice the PenTile color "checkerboarding" all the time in w/e apps or videos and it is a distraction but for me it isn't a deal breaker.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kartik50:
Thanks so much for posting these pics! You call it checkerboarding, I call it blurriness but this is it - the thing I saw on the galaxy s. Well if it's back.... Mainly this screen will be used for gaming, movies and web browsing. I'd say movies will be below par due to bad colour- gaming too and email mucked up due to pentile. Plz correct me- bc it's looking quite grim... :)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChongoDroid:
You guys are high... I'm not experiencing any clipping like I did on the nexus one gallery. Quick pic for gallery and dolphin for browser.

Sent from my Motorola Olympus
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
What is clipping?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cfhuk:
The Atrix has a 4" display with 540 x 960 resolution. This is higher pixel density than almost every other phone on the market except the iPhone 4. The iPhone, however, only has a 3.5" display, and once you have used a 4" display for any length of time (or even a 3.7") it is very hard to loose that extra space. It is the highest resolution and pixel density android phone available (except for that Sharp one in Japan that is an NTT DoCoMo exclusive and uses the same display Sharp supply to Apple).

PenTile is laid out RRB GGB so you have RGB, just two lots of each. Unless you are insanely fussy about screens, you will not notice. Plus it will look better than most other screens purely for having a higher pixel density.

I wouldn't worry about it being PenTile. Have a look at this http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4 .
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blue Puma:
Ya'll be postin' in a troll thread.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cfhuk:
I know, some peeps just wanna hate on the screen tech not being "retina display" or as i like to think, "the display of lies!" :p The human eye can see upwards of 600 ppi btw.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wrldsuksgo2mars:
The pentile screen is a little washed out. I would trade the color vibrancy for the extra pixels any day. This is the main reason why I chose the atrix. I had an iPhone 3 and then upgraded to a nexus one because of the higher res screen. The iPhone 4 was tempting as there was no comparable quality screen on an android device. I waited because I am tired of the iPhone interface... its barely changed even though they have gone through several revisions. The lack of home customizability is foolish... I want to support companies who bring options that customize and enhance the top level UI. I couldn't resist the atrix because it has the customizability and the screen. I have not been disappointed. There are two things lacking... NFC and unlocked boot loader. I highly recommend atrix.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cfhuk:
Put it this way: Compared to the screen on the phone you had 2 years ago, this thing kicks ass.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kueller:
Actually, black text looks just fine (as does white). And anything more than about 3 pixels in width looks normal. I mainly notice the pentile window-frame effect with really thin fonts, more so if they're single colored (red, green and especially blue). Also depends how close you're holding the phone, depending on your eyesight at any distance past 10-12" it's undetectable. My normal browsing position is about 15" and stuff looks great on a 4" screen.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sirkao:
Man i have been using htc tilt 2- iphine 3gs-iphone 4-atrix. Iphones were my best experiences both in jailbreaking and not. I compare my exoerience of the atrix to htc tilt 2:: both very laggy anf slow. Screens freezed and unresponsive. Atm the fruity logo wins hands down. Im trying to convince mysekf to keep the atrix in hopes of a new update coming soon but like them people said. Hope is not enough. So if your an iphone user stay with it. Its a very big disappointment to switch..i myself is watin for iphone 5 or the next true lte att device..
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elementaldragon:
Ok.... for one... about the initial dude on page 1 praising the iPhone saying that if switch to an iPhone 4 you'll never look back at the Atrix..... i went the reverse.... and have never looked back at the iPhone 4. Actually threw it on eBay as soon as i had my Atrix in hand the day it came out..... and it wound up selling for $450. So hey.... more power to ya if you wanna hold on to an overpriced, not-so-customizable phone.

As for PalmBoy's screenshots/pictures of his Atrix screen.... dude.... either your camera is sh*t.... or you have a seriously messed up phone. If your phone actually looks like what it does in your pictures of the screen.... take it back and exchange it for a new one. Just for the fun of it, i took a picture of my phone with that exact background with my Canon Digital Rebel T2i. It's ever so slightly blurry.... mostly because i took it without a flash since using a flash only revealed how many finger smudges are on my screen right now, which needed a slightly longer exposure.... but still not bad, and nowhere NEAR as bad as his.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/DragonCrew/IMG_2117.jpg

sirkao: Not sure what you found "laggy and slow" about the Atrix. It's not like it takes seconds to switch from home screen to home screen... nor does it take long for an app to load. Yes.... the iPhone 4 was buttery smooth in terms of responiveness to swiping from home screen to home screen... but you also have to take into account that for the most part the OS hasn't really changed since the first iPhone. Hell, look how long it took them to finally think of having a home screen WALLPAPER. On top of that, aside from OSX, Apple doesn't have any other OS to work on.... so what's their excuse? you have OSX on the Apple desktop's and laptops..... and you have iOS on iPod Nano, iOS on iPod Touch, iOS on iPhone, iOS on iPad.... iOS on AppleTV.... did I miss any iOS devices? Yea.... an iPhone might be a bit more responsive.... but i'd rather have functionality over status symbol any day. Don't miss my iPhone 4 in the least. Also don't miss having to install iTunes on my computer for the sole purpose of doing crap relating to that damn phone. Like being able to just use it as a USB storage device and throw whatever i want onto it. MicroSDHC is nice, too. Plus the more commonly free apps you can find on the Android market where the same app isn't free on the iTunes App Store. Plus the idea of being able to use custom ringtones for alarms and ringers and such even in *GASP* MP3 FORMAT! Something that people ACTUALLY USE! How many people do you know that readily keep M4A files around? And not to mention needing to be under a specific length? If the phone would ring that long, i could use a full song as a ringtone if i wanted to.

Sorry.... but my Pro's for switching from the iPhone 4 to the Atrix way outweigh the Cons in sheer numbers..... mostly since the Cons are few and far between.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
Take a better picture. Not only is yours at an angle, you didn't even provide it at a high enough resolution to showcase the issue. I used the same camera, I know it can get a lot more detail than you provided.

cfhuk already linked an article from AnandTech showing the same issue.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4

This is NORMAL for the Atrix.

EDIT:

Using flash would would not have worked even if you fully cleaned your screen, the flash would overcome the LCD backlight and result in a VERY dark screen. Even considering using it shows that you are... inexperienced.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maledyris:
Actually, he's the one that took the more accurate picture. Because your picture is so blurry, you've blurred out all the detail of the pixels. What you're seeing in PalmBoy's screen is the definition of a pentile display. The picture you've taken is something that would belong in promotional material, but doesn't work for scrutinizing the detail of the pixels.

That being said, I love my Atrix's screen. It's not as great as an iPhone 4's screen, but great nonetheless. The pixel density is higher than most other phones out there. High enough that for the most part I don't notice much the pentile display shortcomings. Usually it's only certain very fine blue text where you notice it, and it's not a big deal.

This is how I see it:

iPhone 4: Beautiful display, better default multitouch keyboard, highly polished / well-engineered iOS interface (ie. scrolling and UI animations are usually smooth as butter, which is nice)

Atrix: Adobe flash, none-intrusive notification system (unlike Apple's crap one), lots of built-in features such as battery stats, data management, widgets, much more freedom in terms of what apps are available, and if you don't like the input system (like me), it, and most other things on the phone, can be replaced with something else you prefer. I've also noticed that Google's apps on this phone are superior to the ones they've made available on the iPhone (of course, not a big surprise). Maps with the compass view and street view is pretty cool!

Oh, and I also don't consider this is a troll thread. It's perfectly reasonable to question the screen, because I had concerns about it myself when I learned it was pentile. You really need to see it in person to know whether something like this would bother you.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elementaldragon:
Well... like i said.... if he took the more accurate picture, then his phone is just screwed. my phone looks absolutely nothing like that. Unless for some reason his T2i is making it look like that..... in which case he has something off with his camera, or he's using a polarizing filter or something.

Not high enough resolution? Not directly above? Ok... how about 3 different pictures..... the first taken with it's automatic brightness, the second two manually set to full brightness, all 3 taken from directly above? And you can download the JPEG's.... or i can provied the RAW's if you really want.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2761425/IMG_2128.JPG

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2761425/IMG_2135.JPG

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2761425/IMG_2138.JPG

And as for the bit about being "inexperienced" for considering using the flash to take a picture of the screen..... I'm assuming you only took your "directly over the device" viewpoint into account, which anyone with half a brain knows that even if the flash itself didn't overpower the screen, the reflection of the flash would ruin any chance of seeing it. If you are taking ANY point of view into account... well... then i guess it's YOU that's inexperienced.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2761425/IMG_2145.JPG

So.... i'm sorry.... how exactly does my screen remotely resemble yours? And i fail to see exactly which part of that Anandtech preview shows the same issue your pictures do.

Edit: Hmm... just noticed that what i thought you were talking about as being the issue was just the way it was being shown in the non-zoomed-in fashion (didn't show the full-size view the first few times i clicked it, so i didn't bother to see if what i saw was full size or not). Even still..... It's not something you notice, or even big enough of a deal to care about unless you constantly sit there with your face plastered an inch from your screen. Doesn't really seem to have any effect on the quality of the screen to me. Maybe not QUITE as good as the iPhone 4's.... but still damn good for a phone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
I agree, anyone with half a brain would know there would be reflection so it was completely valid to assume you would continue to do an angle shot if you used flash. In such a case the flash would not have worked anyway, as I've said. There are zero cases for which flash would work so again, the fact that you even considered it earned you my statement.

It is good that you now see the issue that I am talking about. To reiterate, I don't think its a deal breaker either.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elementaldragon:
I'm sorry.... but did you actually look at the 4th picture i posted in my previous post? That was done with the flash.... and the screen is nowhere near even remotely dark. I could argue that the screen now appears too BRIGHT... slightly washed out and overly white in some area's (mostly where there was already white to begin with).... but still quite enough detail to the display itself to see what's going on.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
I see now that the 4th picture used flash, but I see you did a 1/15 second shutter which would not avoid motion blur and would create an almost as bright of a picture (of the screen) without the flash at all. You'll notice that if you take the same shot without flash and compare, the flash picture only seems whiter because the glass is shining a bit. You may have used flash but you used a shutter speed that didn't need the flash in the first place. In either case you have to hold the camera steady or use a tripod. I don't quite see the point of the flash at all if thats what you did.

I don't know man.. you used a loophole, its like turning on headlights during the day just to say its possible.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kartik50:
Agh.....

Ok guys let's not start a flamethrower war :D

SO display is clear colours are a bit screwed up. Palmboys photo was one where I could clearly see the "blurry" effect- I couldn't see it in the other pics. Am I just loosing it?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
You can see the same "blurry"/"checkerboarding" in elementaldragon's later pictures too.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kueller:
More detail isn't necessarily more realistic in this instance. The pictures here are much larger than the Atrix's 4" screen. Additionally, I suspect with a dark background like in the first set of pictures the brightness was cranked up to aid photography, which significantly exacerbates the window-frame effect of the Atrix's pen-tile LCD. Using the auto brightness setting the display will rarely go over 50% brightness, and the window frame effect will be less noticeable.

Best advice to OP: Go look at an atrix in the store! Look at text, look at pictures, try different fonts and text sizes.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dLo GSR:
all your pictures pretty much show the drawbacks of the pentile, not in as much detail as the first guy who posted pics because he had a better photo (and screenshot comparison as well), but it's absolutely noticeable.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tom2517:
Pentil matrix display means it will have about 1/3 less subpixels than screens with identical resolution but with RGB display, hence that's why Atrix doesn't look as sharp as 960x540 should be.

Pentile matrix display is a Samsung patented technology, currently the Galaxy series with super AMOLED also uses the Pentile technology.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
To avoid any more confusion people may have as to what the actual issue is,

left: screenshot, right: picture of screen

You can see the "checkerboard" pattern clearly on the center of the battery icon. That is the issue with PenTile.

The detail may be exaggerating the issue, but it is to provide a clear demonstration.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkyHero:
I am a hard-core gamer...

By the way, I have tested out all the good Android phones.

However, I also use a Mac Pro and I prefer good games.

So the Apple App Store just wins it for me...

Sorry

I am not a troll.

Just trying to give my honest opinion.

:D

Thanks :)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kartik50:
Annnnnnoyyyingggg

Of course I would love to see the ATrixs' screen in store, but Orange UK, the british carrier who's selling it, does not display their phones in store. They only have those gayass fake plastic replicas. BTW, I heard Bell atrixs, have a different root file to At&t ones, so does anyone have any clue what the Orange one is gonna be like? As always all help much appreciated. :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkyHero:
Orange sucks!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry but that is the truth...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kartik50:
No way dude/troll

Orange, for a UK network, really isnt that bad.... I consistently get 2 mbps download speeds, and the only network that beats it is 3, which gets roughly 3 mbps. But me and my freind, DarkEddy588, and me did a speedtest, and his phone was murdered by mine (3gs on Orange, Vs Hero on 3UK), and he got trashed. So simple as, Orange is really good. BtW, 4G is coming soon, and no one will care. Any way, I want to be on the network with pooled resources of 3 networks (3 UK, T-mo and Orange).
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DarkyHero:
This is Ed.

I changed my username from DarkEddy888
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tom2517:
Good one. Normally I wouldn't think Pentile display would be such a big deal, but iPhone 4 with its high dpi resolution spoiled a lot of people.

I think Samsung took note of it and the next generation of Galaxies (with Super AMOLED Plus) will come with RGB display.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stewartsoda:
This is a good illustration of the effect. That being said, I only notice it on greens and I only notice it if I hold the phone painfully close to my face. Like close enough that the eyestrain would give me a headache within minutes.

It all comes down to a trade-off like anything else. Yeah, my wife's iPhone 4 has a beautiful screen, but it's too small to use well now that I'm used to 4 inches. Portrait typing with two thumbs on her phone? I don't think so.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DisplayGeek:
PenTile is laid out RRB GGB so you have RGB, just two lots of each. Unless you are insanely fussy about screens, you will not notice. Plus it will look better than most other screens purely for having a higher pixel density.

I wouldn't worry about it being PenTile. Have a look at this http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4 .[/QUOTE]

Just to be picky (cause I tend to be that way), the PenTile layout on the Atrix is:

RGBW

BWRG

Why RGBW? Because color filters rob brightness, which must be overcome with more backlight power. By incorporating a W (W= clear, no color filter) more of the backlight gets through, so the less power is needed, which means longer battery life.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DisplayGeek:
Strictly speaking, PenTile is only for high dpi displays. The new Galaxy phones are the same resolution with bigger screens, so they are lower dpi, lower than that recommended for PenTile, so that they MUST use RGB STRIPE display. (PenTile OLED is also an RGB primary, but not stripe.)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DisplayGeek:
Excellent point, PenTile panels were designed for high dpi, and at a normal viewing distance as the subpixel rendering is tuned to the biological signal processing mechanisms of the human eye. View the screen up too close, and one "sees past" that tuning.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tom2517:
I don't understand why would PenTile be for high dpi display only? It has less subpixels than RGB stripe so even at high resolution, still looks pixelated......
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] palmboy5:
A higher DPI would result in subpixels that are even harder to see with the naked eye and therefore not become noticeable.

I say that the DPI would have to be significantly higher than it is now for it to not be noticeable.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stewartsoda:
Aw man, I just tried watching a movie and it looked like trash. That's a major bummer for me, I was really hoping I wouldn't notice it. It seems to not be as bad when the brightness is lower, maybe the subpixel calculations are sub-par.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] haloimplant:
While I agree that pentile would obviously look worse if they kept it with an even bigger screen area on the SGS2, the deficiencies of pentile on the SGS1 are clearly visible to me.

Thing is that there is no clear good enough/not good enough line. People have varying tolerance and even vision capability. I think someone said it best that pentile is a decent option for people who aren't picky or don't have good vision, but really to be avoided for perfectionists with good eyes.

Of course there is a level that would be unacceptable to many, and this is what you're talking about (ie it would turn from a 'fringe issue' discussed among 'geeks' at places like XDA to everyone saying the screen looks like crap). Maybe even a casual user with cataracts would notice pentile at 800x480 on a 4.3" screen, while on the other hand the qHD pentile on Atrix should be slightly better than WVGA pentile on SGS.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tom2517:
Personally I noticed it right away. It happened when I had the i9000, and now with Atrix.

PenTile uses 33% less backplane transistors than RGB stripe and helps panel makers increase yield, so I think it has more to do with cost saving than anything.

Anyways, not a deal breaker for me but I think people had high expectations when Atrix's spec. first came out, that it would approach iPhone 4 quality.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
its strange that its only in some videos the color looks really bad and others are fine. like youtube videos always look right but some movies and shows that i downloaded the browns(esp brown skin) looks very red and yellows are off too. can this be fixed or is this a problem with the hardware?