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[Thunderbolt General] tyvallely:
but they are the ones that gave us gb for the dx and d2. i have a dx :D so thats the only reason why I care and I want to get the thunderbolt thats reason 2
[Thunderbolt General] ckochinsky125:
Im calling B.S about being able to tell if you are rooted. I can see using different software versions but I highly doubt they have something that can see if you are rooted. Not to mention your droid world isnt credible at all. Do you have any proof that they are doing this? Or do you just assume since you dont have a great data connection or its a little slower that they are doing this??
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
Where the hell is the option in the poll for "Stay rooted and not give a **** because all of this is BS"?

Anyone who believe all of this crap is just falling into a big lie.
[Thunderbolt General] tbcpn:
What's with the Sprint logo in your sig?
[Thunderbolt General] ckochinsky125:
Yeah pretty much all of the newer os's have that built in but that doesnt mean they can tell if you are rooted. I'm sure people are just complaining because of the whole throttling the top 5%. But if you are using that much data you seriously need a life lol
[Thunderbolt General] Diamond_dawg:
No more free tethering on tmobile. If you try to it. They ask you to take a tethering plan.
[Thunderbolt General] tyvallely:
http://mydroidworld.com/ :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] DizzyThermal:
I have a split feeling on this issue..

Those who want to alter the software on their devices to increase the quality of their user experience should be able to do so.. If you want to run newer [or older] software you should be able to.. These are not the people Verizon should be after..

Those who want to exploit software altercations to abuse their carrier's network, those are the people Verizon should be after..

Like stated before, all they are doing at this point is collecting data, nothing has been reported [credibly] stating Verizon has taken action on rooted devices, so as long as you don't abuse service (i.e. illegal tethering) I doubt [and hope] Big Red doesn't taken action on you.

-Just my two cents..
[Thunderbolt General] Bonetwizt:
Basically, if you have verizon and want to tether, pay for it. You agreed to use their network by their rules. Jackasses who tether without permission are gonna ruin it for those who just root to enhance the battery life of their phone.
[Thunderbolt General] tyvallely:
I still think they are doing this. I will add that option next time;)
[Thunderbolt General] prboy1969:
It's funny you should they have a right too. I'm not on Verizon, but. If any of this is true it's wrong. It's the same as buying a car and then being told how far you can drive it. How much time you can drive it. How or if you can modify it. How much fuel your allowed to buy and if you can buy it. Bottom line is this. Android is an open system. They will do whatever and how much they can get away with to improve their Coporate bottom line ( PROFIT ) . If they can make people pay for more they will. I once had a conversation with a rep for Sprint about what the "definition of unlimited" is. If you say it's "stealing" , and they "have the right" . You should really think about this. Maybe next they will "have the right" to tell people who they can call, and how long they can speak to them. Yes it's a business with rules, but that doesn't mean they should be able to tell you what you can or can't do with something you purchased. As for the service, well that's a something else. But, just answer me this : are phone sold locked to one carrier for their benifit or ours?

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[Thunderbolt General] tyvallely:
I geuss...My point is if they do close rooting what would we do?
[Thunderbolt General] MrHawaii:
Yes and my aunty's brother's uncle's sister's cousin said that the sky is falling. So what!
[Thunderbolt General] DizzyThermal:
Quoted For Truth
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
I dispute large portions of his original post, link to a secondary credible source.

see above
[Thunderbolt General] tyvallely:
Ok? Just stay out of it if your gonna make no sense
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
I said CREDIBLE link. Not one dude's opinion on the matter with absolutely ZERO facts to back it up.
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
This isn't what I'm talking about or that concerns me. If you defraud verizon, and get caught, your fault.

However, work arounds exist.
[Thunderbolt General] tyvallely:
Yeah I am going to talk to verizon and motorola and ill get back to you guys K?
[Thunderbolt General] ckochinsky125:
Not really a car and a cellular network are two different things because once you buy a car you have no ties to that dealer whereas you need the cellular network for your phone to function so no its not the same and if you are on sprint why do you care? Tethering without a plan is stealing so fork over the money to get a tethering plan if you want to use it. Not to mention this is probably the main reason they are going away from unlimited plans. smh
[Thunderbolt General] ckochinsky125:
Your link isnt credible its someone opinion so unless you got something better this thread is useless, you're just trying to stir the pot it seems like.
[Thunderbolt General] twiztidnutzzzzz:
I know everyone is talking about verizon being able to pull up ur info and tell if ur rooted and running modded software.

I highly doubt that is possible. I have tmobile and went in to purchase a g2 (which was the quickest and easiest rooting I've done yet) for the wife. So the employee said they had no phones running gb yet. That's when (with my mytouch slide) in hand told him I have 2.3.3 on it as well as the g1 she was upgrading as well.. well point being with the g1 in his hands (switching sim out) said not a word bout it being rooted
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
Ok. I'm going to go write a post on my blog that I have numerous inside contacts at Verizon that say this isn't true. Will you believe it then? I would assume so, since you believe everything else you read so easily. :)
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
I've addressed this with friends (plural) at Verizon, all they can pull up on my devices' firmware is that I am running Verizon released radios and prls on my phone.

Long as your not running leaked/hacked/non official radios or ENG/hacked PRLs you should be fine. This could explain if people running leaked radios are being pop'd, but that is the minority of users.
[Thunderbolt General] mitchell4500:
I highly doubt this is true... 1 of 2 things...

1) Some website/dude is trying to be super cool and popular by trolling everyone...

2) Verizon is saying this to scare everyone.

As said before they cant see if your rooted. Just the software version. And they cant tell if your running Wireless tether or not. If anything it would just look like an app downloading lots of stuff, like pandora. The reason wireless tether works free is becuase it acts like a mirror, mirroring your phones internet connection to your pc, its not HAXIN YO SETTINGS TO BE BADZ TO V3R210N.

If verizon was to do anything it would be limiting bandwidth to prevent people from providing there whole neighbor hood internet.

Just my 28.453 Cents.
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
Let us know how that make believe tea party with them goes :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] nerozehl:
Well reading this thread was a great waste of time, but it did elicit some nice laughs. That is to say, I think the whole notion of Verizon trying to isolate rooted phones and somehow managing to get rid of those users is just absurd. Will they continue to try to thwart rooting with signed images and encrypted boot-loaders and that sort: probably. Will they be successful at it: probably not.

Oh and as a side comment, I love how jcase responded in this thread.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
My Sig is Sprint because I used the EVO for the longest time. Haven't changed it back to Verizon yet. But I am rocking the thunderbolt. I never said we could pull up to see if your rooted or not. Just seeing if your running a firmware that's not been official released. Add that knowledge to a 10gb plus data usage a month. And you probably safely assume there tethering.
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
If ppl get busted for excessive data, or using leaked radio/prl that is their fault.

If you followed our root tutorial on the thunderbolt, you phone appears as stock to Verizon.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
I agree as long as your staying on the current software version your fine. But Verizon has the ability to pull up what software your running. And technically if your having issues with the phone, they don't have to trouble shoot you. If your not running stock. Also I have no reason to root my device. I'll pay the 20 bucks a month thru ATT dsl so I can have unlimited constant 3mbs down which is enough to play zombies online. Why the hell do I wanna over work my phone.
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
Big difference in seeing what software you are running, and just being able to see what radio.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
Radio? What do you mean?
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
Radio and firmware aren't the same thing.

Verizon may be able to see your radio, but not your firmware.
[Thunderbolt General] tbcpn:
Roh, roh...
[Thunderbolt General] ryanrp:
This all founds like FUD to me.
[Thunderbolt General] Mercys Fallen:
Personally I don't use tethering. I like having the option though, so this is annoying. Personally I think the harder they try the the hacks will get. Thus making me indifferent.

There's always a work around.
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
This is my last reply to this topic. I know radio and firmware is different. If your running a leaked Rom. Then Verizon can pull up what software your on. And doing so can safely say your rooted. Verizon CAN pull up your software on your phone. Source: my job. I'm done.
[Thunderbolt General] daclark85:
I would have no need to root my device if Verizon and HTC didn't bloat it up... I think we should be able to put on the device what ever we want since we own it... One of the main reasons they fight this is because of tethering... There are the few that try to use it as a full blown internet connection... sucking up mass amounts of bandwidth... wireless is getting fast... but not fast enough to handle what land lines can... Verizon does have the right to prevent abusers from crippling there network... but also shouldn't punish the responsible ones... or tack on extra charges...
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
You can pull your radio version and prl, we established that, and that has been known.

You can't see the fact I am running CM on my d1 however.
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
Everyday there is a thread that makes me laugh around here, this is another one. I don't even have to open my daily newspaper for a good laugh. Thanks.
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
The day you contribute something positive to a thread is the day I'll be surprised.
[Thunderbolt General] jearl75:
Settle down d00d, don't get all bent out of shape because jcase and GrdLock know more about your (supposed) job than you.
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
Also, go ahead to your screen and load it up on a 4G device, all that information is blank for us.
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
open your eyes for a change
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
Ok. Now what am I looking for? :p
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
ROFLMAO. I highly doubt any of your information is credible after reading this ridiculous post.

Oh no! You know the "software" I am running... whatever the hell that means.

Nobody cares. We are not ignorant. Take your games elsewhere. Or at least learn what things mean before claiming to have access to all of it...
[Thunderbolt General] magicriggs:
You guys are idiots. I would post a screen shot of eroes and show you what all i can pull up. But I dont know if ill get in trouble or not by posting photos that are for employes only. and thats just coming from a retail store. I'm sure higher up,corporate, has more access.
[Thunderbolt General] mitchell4500:
eek :eek: :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
We're idiots, yet you're the one who got confused when someone mentioned the radio version?

Go ahead and take that screenshot. Employees often show customers the screen they're looking at while they're in store, so I don't see how posting a screenshot of it here would be any different.
[Thunderbolt General] droidboy850:
Haha this thread is an epic FAIL. Even if they could " see " what software I'm running I could still be rooted and be on stock software and stock kernel. Verizon won't be able to do a thing.

"It's my phone and I'm going to do WTF I want with it!!!!"
[Thunderbolt General] TNS201:
We should sue verizon for all the crapware they put in /system/app/

They should put stuff in /data/app/ so the user can choose to not have cityID or any other bull**** we don't want forced upon us. CityID I think nags you to buy it after so many days. When we get our phones there is no way to get their crap off.
[Thunderbolt General] PJnc284:
CityID can be manually uninstalled without root. The 130MB golf game is a little ridiculous though.
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
O god, a Verizon Store Employee, do us a favor and stop installing Task Killer on customer phones.
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
lmao

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[Thunderbolt General] nerozehl:
EROES is just the electronic remote order entry system. I highly doubt you have access to anything relevant.
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
Alright... even if "higher-ups" did have access it does not mean a damn thing.

Will Verizon really prosecute their customers for using their device as they wish?! The only time Verizon should be concerned is if users are using hacks to circumvent paid services. Otherwise, they would be shooting themselves in the foot and hurting their business by turning their back on a huge chunk of their loyal customers.

I could really care less about your BS. I could go onto any forum and provide the same baseless information you have given. We all know that different statistics and information are reported to the carrier regarding your device.

This was not a concern until now, for some magical reason. Why? Because there is nothing to currently be concerned about. If/when this does become a concern I am sure there will be ways around it.

If you can build it, then you can hack it. The biggest variable is time. If it is worth hacking to some people, then hours upon hours will be dedicated to reverse-engineering something!
[Thunderbolt General] eschelon:
A story like this has popped up every 6 months or so since Android got popular back in '08. To date, they have all turned out to be pure bupkus.

In fact, since the OP brought all involved parties up, it should be mentioned that a few months ago on an HTC device people (stupidly) flashed a bad firmware that was floating around and HTC actually spent time and money to write code to help people recover from it - even thought they had no obligation to do so. How is that anti-rooting? Motorola (the most locked-down of them all) is becoming MORE open to rooters, not less. Remember how they promised their customers that the XOOM would be more open and ended up shipping the XOOM with an unlockable bootloader?? Even Google themselves wrote a post on their official Android dev blog a few months ago saying they are FANS of rooting, not adversaries

So again, we go through stories like this every 6 months or so. Last summer everyone freaked out when it was reported that Verizon was remotely bricking rooters' phones wirelessly. How'd that turn out? Ah yes, pure BS. This isn't the first time we've been to this rodeo - and it won't be the last
[Thunderbolt General] dpwhitty11:
lol this thread...
[Thunderbolt General] arasky:
how about you pull up your number and just type what you see?
[Thunderbolt General] g0ldt00thgr1n:
My mother works for corporate. She laughed at this thread. :)

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[Thunderbolt General] IISiDeK1CKII:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-dmca-exception-for-jailbreaking-or-root/

This is all the material I need to sue the bejesus out of Verizon. This is all FUD. This nonsense does not need to be posted, all it does is scare new rooters. /thread
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
LOL..what a crock. You couldn't pull up my system info if you wanted to. Maybe what it started as...LOL.
[Thunderbolt General] xavier2404:
OK..response to a post a few pages back about being able to hack/root/jail-break a phone that you own.

You are able ON ANY CARRIER to walk in..pay FULL retail on a phone and NOT sign a contract. The only reason for signing a contract is a discounted price on the phone.

That is how ALL carriers recoop their money on handsets.

With that said..has anyone noticed that cancellation fees differ whether or not your using a smartphone or regular phone? And differ for the length you have had your contract (hince the carrier getting their money back for the device).

So...unless you pay retail price or are out of your contract..you don't actually own the device.
[Thunderbolt General] DS36:
I know for a fact that verizon tech support knew what apps I had installed on my tb

I called with a data 4g issue and the tech asked me to read out my past results in speed test app that I had installed. He knew the app was there without me telling...maybe they can track super user app installs or other rooted apps

still not stopping me root 4 life
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
Nope.

Thats called social engineering, or you paid for them via your bill.

I have folks ask me all the time "Are you looking at my screen? How did you know I had that installed?"

A halfway decent tech can make educated guesses about whats on your phone/PC (not everything obviously) without truly knowing.
[Thunderbolt General] adrynalyne:
Either way, worst thing Verizon can do is void your warranty for rooting.

They don't like it? They can take it up with the government.

http://www.androidtapp.com/jailbreak-and-rooting-legal/
[Thunderbolt General] GrdLock:
Find me the line where it says you must return the phone if you fail to complete your contract.

You can't find that line because it's not there. There's an ETF if you don't finish the contract, but that's it. The phone is yours regardless.

Yes, carriers recoup the cost of the phone throughout your contract period, but even so, you still own the phone. It's not a loaner phone, it's not renting the phone. You purchase it and it is yours.
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
He guesses good, there is no method available to show Verizon what apps you have installed.
[Thunderbolt General] ckochinsky125:
+1 although he probably doesn't even know how to do that lol.
[Thunderbolt General] ckochinsky125:
Actually you have to have a contract to buy a phone full retail from verizon otherwise they wont let you buy it.
[Thunderbolt General] Ubermicro13:
I use roughly 15-20Gigs of data a month. I am rooted but do not tether. Why should I be punished too?
[Thunderbolt General] xavier2404:
U don't have to return the phone. Sorry you misunderstood what I said. You pay MORE on the cancellation fee depending on what equipment you have and how long you have had it. That fee is different for smartphones, feature phones and basic phones.

You only OWN the phone when you pay retail...finish your contract..or pay the associated cancellation fee according to your device and lentgh LEFT on contract.

Unless you choose NOT to pay the cancellation fee. You DONT have to return the phone in any of the above scenerios.
[Thunderbolt General] TheDanimal:
This is correct. I also work for VZW but not in a retail store.
[Thunderbolt General] xavier2404:
Funny..my Droid x for my fiance..cost me retail price..but..I don't have a contract with her line..maybe the virtual sales department messed up...or my old envy 3 that I gave to my sister who was using T-Mobile. She has no contract either...
[Thunderbolt General] eschelon:
But the point we're making is that, even though you are in contract, you can do whatever you want with the phone.

If I want to throw my TB at my neighbor, or tie it to my car's roof, or flush it down the toilet, or grill it on my BBQ, I can do that - and Verizon wouldn't care in the least.

The only thing I am under obligation to do is pay Verizon every month, as per the terms of the contract. But I can do whatever I want with the phone in the mean time - and that includes rooting
[Thunderbolt General] xavier2404:
Some of that is true..why then..if you root YOUR phone..mess it up..and Verizon won't replace it?

Verizon and any carrier already tells us what we can and can't do with our equipment.

I am rooted. Will remain rooted. My point is: they DO and WILL continue to tell customers what they can and can not do. If the customers don't do it. They have every right to cancel contracts.

This is NOT about rooting or not. Its about getting around their fees. If that means the carriers try harder to prevent rooting..then they will. BUT ITS NOT ABOUT ROOTING YOUR PHONES.

Like I said. I am rooted, I DONT tether. If I choice to tether..I will pay for it.

Then..they (Verizon) will have no reason to argue with me. I will manipulate my device how I see fit. But will not steal from their network in the process. The device itself is not what the carriers concern is. Its what some and I mean SOME people choose to do with it.
[Thunderbolt General] eschelon:
Not replacing a phone since it is outside of warranty and "canceling a contract" as you say, are two very different things - yet you used both terms interchangeably.

Yes, if I root the phone or flush it down the toilet, they will not replace it under warranty. But they will not cancel my contract
[Thunderbolt General] xavier2404:
I used the terms interchangeably. They are different. However, only making the point the phones will be paid for in either scenerio. By the user.
[Thunderbolt General] xavier2404:
Again. The point I was saying is you can do what you want with the device. Technically no one " owns their device" until one of the two scenarios I mentioned happen.

This is not about rooting or not rooting

. If customers would pay for what they use..and not try to get around the system..Verizon will have no need to monitor our usuage nor would they need to feel they have to pressure manufactures to make it harder to root their devices.

Those of us who are honest about our usuage...have NOTHING to worry about.

Continue to root..flash roms and all that good stuff..."its your device". But when we start stealing from our carrier..how can you NOT expect them to make changes?
[Thunderbolt General] eschelon:
Yes, you and I are saying the same thing, just in different ways

You are bound by Verizon's contract to pay them no matter what, otherwise you pay the ETF to help them recoup the cost of the phone's price subsidy. But I can still do whatever I want (short of anything illegal) with my phone and Verizon won't care as long as they get paid. Same thing when you lose a phone: You aren't using or benefiting from it, but you still have an obligation to pay for it monthly until your contract terminates

But as mentioned several times already, it is now 100% legal to root or jailbreak your mobile device in the United States. Now, if you jailbreak for the purposes of violating Verizon's ToS (like to tether for free, or in the Verizon iPhone's case "you also agree that you will not use these products for... the development, design, manufacture or production of missiles, or nuclear, chemical or biological weapons" - yes the iPhone's and iTunes ToS and EULA actually says that) then that's a different story.

But not all who root violate the ToS. Verizon can't just banhammer EVERYONE who has rooted since EVERYONE has not voided the ToS. If they did, that would breach of contract. Which is illegal