yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
I think you meant to type "except" instead of accept.

Also you can't make a blanket claim that phones use less data than laptops. That's not always going to be true. But it's beside the point.

I buy data from Sprint. That is their product. I buy it from them. What I do with it once it gets to me is my business. When carriers start dictating what I can and can't do with my data, they are playing the same tune as the recording industry and the film industry when they try to limit what you can and can't do with your music and movies.

It's just another cog in a system designed to transfer as much money as possible from the people to the large corporations that write these crazy laws that limit your rights.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
They aren't dictating what you do with the data, but where you use that data. Which is completely within their right. Tethering tons of data on a computer cost them money... which is why they charge for tethering.

Now if they were going to block certain websites... or charge to access a website that would be a different story.

Sure you can call it greedy... but its THEIR service. Have to pay for services and products.

The music /movie industry is a different story... you dont own the data you are getting from sprint. I should be able to do whatever i want with a movie i bought... i own the copy, as long as i am not selling it to others or making copies for everyone.
[EVO 4G General] r916:
lol at tags.
[EVO 4G General] rejectedkid:
Are you mental? The iPhone hacking community has apps that has every single cracked ipa you can imagine ready for download.

It is far easier to find and install a cracked ipa online then it is for an apk.

Don't gimme that crap that Android is not as safe for developers because no OS is safe.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I suggest you read what I said again and then come back to post.
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
But nobody is selling the data on a streetcorner like a lemonade stand. It's a phone, not a tower. Seriously, how much data can you send? 4 laptops within 6 feet by a starbucks? Streaming netflix 24/7?
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
This makes no sense? Not sure of what your point is.
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
Also, if I buy gas from chevron @ $4.90 a gallon, I can be told I can't give somebody a lift ? Not run a taxi service, but a ride down the street?
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Gas is a consumable, you get a LIMITED amount. Does not apply here, try again.

Thats like saying you pay a gas station a certain amount each month for gas, to go where ever you need. In the terms it says its for only this car. You go home, and syphon off some of it for your second car. So you are now using more gas then you would have before, with only one car.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I nominate this "post of the year"
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
And I, as a consumer, PAY for unlimited data. In the contract
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Yes, you pay for unlimited data, on your phone.
[EVO 4G General] Phillysphinest1:
Ok ladies & gents...lemme get this straight...

All this is saying rooting is now being cracked down on. Something that has ALWAYS been against the rules. Sprint is also getting tougher with their data. Cracking down on the users (like myself) who tether for free. So they want me to "PAY" for my unlimited data now?? Something they ALWAYS wanted...they're losing money NOT doing this..

Tell me you guys saw this coming...

I did. Hey like they say...All good things come to an end....
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Time out.

Flag on the play.

Where does this say anything about Sprint getting tougher with their data?
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
First of all youre right. I don't tether but I can because I'm not not supposed to. Second, what makes me mad is that they gave you 1kb for 99¢ OR unlimited for $30 when all this started. Now it boys them in the sss and they want to collect. They dug this hole...
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
Doesn't
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
What difference does it make if I'm using my phone to tether to my MacBook? Its still same packets. So your telling me my uverse cable box router combo is only for my 1 computer and I should have to pay for my other 4 devices that I connect to it? In my contract with uverse its unlimited data and its the same with sprint. What's data is data I mean that 29.99 fee is complete bs and I would never pay it. Money hungry a$$holes
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Your cable box has one job, to provide internet. Cell phones have many jobs, the main is not providing an internet connection. You will use a lot more data if tether and use data on your phone, as opposed to just using data on your phone. If it was meant to be used for your whole house, they would have to charge more then they do now to keep up the network.

You are trying to justify stealing from a company... no matter how you put it, its still stealing a service you havn't paid for. It causes more network use, that you havnt paid for, causes more congestion for all the other users. By not paying, you don't provide them the money they need to keep up with the bandwidth you are using..
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
Amen, you just picked up my fight. Been fun folks, what a country! Done for the night
[EVO 4G General] Doward:
I have to agree - data is data. If you're running a 5GB cap, then I have every right to use that 5GB as I see fit, as I'm paying for it.

I'm paying for unlimited data from Sprint. So yes, I'll use my UNLIMITED DATA plan any way I see fit.

That said, no, I don't just go around sharing my data connection to just anyone. But sometimes you can't get to the site you need via mobile browser - connect to the laptop, and you're right back to working!
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
One last thing, like charging per line per room at home for data?
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
I disagree.

Your logic does not follow.

High data use costs money, not tethering. Tethering doesn't cost anything. Its a way for Sprint to make 100 pct profit on an add-on service and nothing more.

Frankly I'd agree to data caps or throttling after 5 GB or some such arrangement before I ever agreed to paying for the privilege of routing data packets that I've already paid for and downloaded.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Randy... just go sleep or whatever. Your comments make no sense... and don't add to either side of the discussion. I will agree.. if your data is capped, it shouldn't make any difference.

Its unlimited i have a problem with. More use = more money for towers, and backhaul needed. Which you are not paying for. There is a reason 15 mb home internet cost 50 dollars by itself... On your phone you also get calls, and texts as well.

Tethering = more data then you would use if you didnt tether = higher costs
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
You keep going on about data use but the issue is tethering! Please separate the concepts in your brain!
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Word. I see your point friend, but actually my cable box has 2 functions it's a cable box and router combo uverse actually provided it so I'm sure this thing see a **** ton of data that comes through it so actually it has 2 jobs. I look at it like this sprints network is already congested/garbage as it is; I'm sure if I paid the 29.99 fee their network would still be about as cool as a bag of di*ks. So I'm gonna tether my heart out. I pay 60 bucks for 24mb(unlimited) home internet and I rarely tether at home. I tether about 3gb a month with my phone so I'm not abusing it that much but network is still trash. FREE DATA FOR ALL!!!
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
Also to provide cable tv and phone service, voice mail but who really cheeks the bills
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I don't think he gets it lol
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
The issue is that tethering uses data... data that wouldn't have been used otherwise, data that cost sprint money.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
Even if I granted you that (which I don't) you said it yourself: "data that costs sprint money." Data. Not tethering. Data. Not tethering. Data. Not tethering. Get it? Tethering doesn't cost sprint a dime.

If we were talking about charging for excessive data use I would be right there with you. BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TETHERING.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
Anyway I have said my piece. Perhaps we just disagree philosophically.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
What aren't you getting? Tethering uses more data that wouldn't other wise be used... there is no opinion here ...
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
As others have said, you pay data for your phone and your phone only. It's in the contract. The best solution would be a data cap with ability to use the data anyway you choose. Of course then everyone would be complaining about data caps.

Nothing is unlimited. Sprint's data/tower capacity has limits and for a lot of us experiencing poor data service, those limits have become very obvious. It's will within their right to do this, and ultimately unlimited data is just a marketing move. I'm willing to bet that only a small fraction of users ever hit about 2GB/month. I'm sure that they have the statistics to make that feature a viable thing to offer.

Anyway - Android locking down was only a matter of time. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Android's "open source-ness" has always been a tactical marketing/business move by Google. People always confuse widgets and wallpapers as some kind of openess - things I did on WinMo years before Android ever flashed on any Googler's mind. That's not open. Rooting your phone to flash your phone's isn't open either. The CM guys can take the AOSP source and make CM but they still face barriers like closed sourced drivers and can only pray that they figure out a hack to get it to work. That again is not open. If you have to fight and hack, it's not even close.

The only people who benefit from Android's openess is the OEMs who get to use the source (and their resources) to create mutated lock down versions of it. Google knew that the best way to win over the OEMs was to allow them to create their own psuedo OSs. That's all companies carry about - their brands. They want Samsung Touchwiz phones, not Google phones. This also applies to carriers. Google will continue to do whatever is needed to build a farm of Android phones to build their future mobile advertising presence. It's business people. So if carriers tell OEMs/Google to prevent rooting/forced roaming/etc to secure fees, what do you think they'll do? Disobey their TRUE customers? You should see how much companies ***** about even the smallest deviations from their branding in advertising - and you think OEMs/Carriers would want you to deviate away from their branded OSs? Yeah, right.

What has happened is that Android has reached critical mass. They have the momentum and OEM/Carrier support to keep pushing the platform regardless of how locked down it is.

People **** on Apple for being evil but Apple has never bent over for carriers as much as Google has.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
That's like saying its okay to charge fat people more at an all you can eat buffet. You assume they are gonna eat more, but its far from fact.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Epic lol "if you weigh over 200lbs you pay an extra 30 bucks up front" says the server
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You pay for almost or fully unlimited phone service, if someone figured out a way to "syphon" out the service to other phones, would that be okay? You pay for unlimited afterall.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I suppose this is a true statement.

It's like going to an all you can eat buffet and taking all the buffet trays to serve at a party.

You did, afterall, pay for the all you can eat buffet, right? ;)
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
Again. You're talking about excessive consumption. I wouldnt have a problem with being charged for that. But that's not what we are talking about!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I said it earlier but the only honest solution is a data cap. Something like 2-4GB included for the $79.99 plan, do whatever you want with it. And it would roll over unused data too.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
I could swallow that a hell of a lot easier than $30 a month for tethering! I can get a TRULY unlimited DSL connection for that!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Yeah but it isn't portable. Two different use cases.
[EVO 4G General] whoxp:
If your charging the same amount of gas for three 100 lb people as you do the three 400 lb people then aren't you making up the difference. I only use about 50 MB a month but still pay for unlimited like the heavy users.
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
This is about rooting! Not just tethering and all of what unlimited means, I mean its part of it but bot the whole thing...sheesh
[EVO 4G General] kd0axs:
No, tethering does NOT mean more data. What difference does it make if I go to www.xda-developers.com on my computer or on my phone? It's the same website, it uses the same amount of data. Only difference is displaying it on a bigger screen. I use FAR more data doing things like streaming music on my phone than I do by tethering and doing a little web browsing on my computer.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G with Tapatalk
[EVO 4G General] slickrick54:
Now that is some crazy **** if its true. I can't believe that they would go through with some bullcrap like that.
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
First, I would like to say that I have never, not even once have I ever tethered any device to my evo, except when I tested the xoom, and wanted to see how it would feel tethered to 4G. I also do not stream music, and only occasionally stream videos...maybe once week or less..but this had nothing to do with being on my phone, I don't watch videos on my pc, either. I do not download music, because most online music is crap quality, and I don't mind supporting the artists whose music I enjoy.

With that disclaimer out of the way, I use, on average, 2.5 gigs of data per month just surfing the web...and no, I never use the mobile versions of web sites. This would not change in the least if I bought a tablet and tethered with my evo.

It is if you use clear. Besides, compare how much we pay for the plans on the evo (and trust me, I am not complaining. I know how cheap they are in comparison) to what we could be paying. I only use about 150 minutes a month. A VERY heavy month is 250 minutes.

My family, in total, uses 500 minutes out of the minimum 1500 minutes in our plan...in other words, we are forced to buy stuff we don't need in order to get the phones that we want. We are paying significantly more than just $10 for our data usage.

Edit: pardon. I should have said "premium data usage"
[EVO 4G General] internetpilot:
I seriously doubt this will ever actually happen (see last paragraph). However, if it does, I'm sure a way around it will follow quickly. Heck, look at the stupid iPhone -- there's no device more locked down than that, and yet there's ways around it, too.

If it did happen, I would buy a cheap 7" Android tablet, get a discounted MiFi device/plan through work, and buy a dumb phone (I already have a perfect condition Motorola flip phone that could simply be re-activated). Root the heck out of my tablet, change ROMs 10x a day, and cancel my broadband internet access at the house and bang the heck out of the MiFi connection with all 8 wireless devices in my house.

That'd teach them.

On a more serious note, (and the reason why I don't think this would ever happen at least not to the extent the OP is predicting) the best way to pursue fighting this is via the corporate arena. There are large companies out there who buy Android phones in mass quantities, root them all, and put a custom, business focused and limited ROM on all of them. What are these companies going to do? Buy 1,000 HTC Evo's or Motorola Droids and just tolerate the NFL app or Netflix app being on their business phones for the entire IT department? That would never be tolerated, and that's too much of a sales loss for the phone manufacturers and especially the carriers to risk.

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hTC EVO 4G

Rooted via unrEvoked 3.3.2

Recovery: Amon RA v2.3

ROM: Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS5

Kernel: Netarchy ToastMod CFS HAVS More Aggressive 4.3.4 w/HDMwIn Mirroring
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
I disagree. If you tether to grab torrents all day, then yes. I tethered recently quite a bit. I wanted to test some things. With my laptop, my Evo, my Archos 70, and my ipad. In one hour of pandora streaming, data variance was negligent. In an hour of surfing, same thing. In reality, it made me feel that I will have no guilt with occasional tethering for short bursts. It really won't cost Sprint a dime in my situation. Not to mention I use so little data that a 5GB cap wouldn't affect me. I also pay for another EVO that uses less than 100MB a month and two other androids that use ~250-500MB each month.So, your blanket statement does not apply to all situations. You should never use absolutes ;)

Agreed 100%
[EVO 4G General] :
Wow first AT&T tracked down the Iphone tetherers and now us. The apocalypse is near I tell you!!!

Sent from my......ummm...let me get back at'chya!
[EVO 4G General] TorxT3D:
i got no problem with being done as an android fan.

theyre gonna weed out their loyal fanbase that has gotten them to where they are...
[EVO 4G General] :
Lets all go to SymbianOS LMFAO

Sent from my......ummm...let me get back at'chya!
[EVO 4G General] postwick:
it would be pretty simple for them to exclude some phones, for corporate sales, from the root blocking.

what pisses me off about all of this is that they are actually harming us and don't realize it. the MAIN reason I rooted my Evo is so I can back everything up in the case it dies. if they included backup capabilities in the non-rooted system, I never would have rooted.
[EVO 4G General] AyyRayy:
Rooting just makes the phone better

Powered by Steve Jobs' Tears and Jealousy
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Rooting just kills babies and you know it.
[EVO 4G General] internetpilot:
Uh-oh.

What happens every time I flash a ROM?

Suddenly I'm overwhelmed with guilt, yet I know not why....

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hTC EVO 4G

Rooted via unrEvoked 3.3.2

Recovery: Amon RA v2.3

ROM: Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS5

Kernel: Netarchy ToastMod CFS HAVS More Aggressive 4.3.4 w/HDMwIn Mirroring
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Another 'lesbian who looks like Justin Bieber' is discovered.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I just cried.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Hey look!

A manufacturer actually doing POSITIVE things.

OMGZ WHO KNEW THAT WAS POSSIBLE ANYMORE!!

http://www.androidcentral.com/xperi...coming-weeks?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
[EVO 4G General] tejasrichard:
Someone needs to forward this link to HTC. Maybe they haven't been told that big kids should be given full access to their devices.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
I wouldn't buy a laptop if I couldn't have administrator rights on it. I won't purchase a phone or other devices unless I have absolute control
[EVO 4G General] adamantypants:
If this is SE's way of establishing nerd cred/respect, IT'S WORKING. If they continue to make great hardware and let it be open like this, it's not unimaginable to see hoardes of users flocking to SE hardware. HTC used to be great about it, but it looks like they may be going the other way.

If there's any partner in the fight against the carriers, it'll have to be SE with their Xperia line.
[EVO 4G General] sftd:
Here is how lame I am.

I have used tethering a grand total of once. We were playing an incredible show in LA with Flying Lotus, and he is already like king of live visuals, so rather than just do our normal thing visually and pale in comparison, we decided to stream the entire set over chat roulette and put it up on the projector. The venue had no wifi, and so rather than do what any sane individual would do with a rooted CM7 running handset and simply turn on the built in tether, I called Sprint and then and there and had it added to my account.

Sadly, it's still on my account to this day, thirty dollars at a time, and I have still yet to even turn it on again.

Cool points reduced to zero.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
I believe the case of net neutrality for mobile needs to be the same as wired. I am more up in arms about that. If you would like to have fun with a salesman ask them why I need a tethering plan needs to be more money its hardware, and Im already playing for data why are these bits different from from the bits i already get on my phone
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
you mean the same company who wont let you jailbreak their game console...lol sounds hypocritical
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
That's the first thing I thought, but them I remember frommy pc trying to play a shooter online with aim bots, godmode, invisible players, walking through walls, moon jumps, it just ruins the whole experience for the gamers who don't mod and have to deal with it.
[Captivate General] sekhar_geddam:
Hello Can any one please help me to install 2.3 on my Samsung Captivate (AT&T Galaxy S)
[Captivate General] arabcamel:
Look in the Development section for Captivate. One option is CM7 which you can get to by going to the link below, but I beleive there are more options than just this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=978150
[Captivate General] TRusselo:
CM7 is still a beta and it is not true 2.3 it is a modded port/asop hibread with custom stuff added and removed.

Dont lie to the noobs.

Miui is also BUILT on CM7. so it is built on 2.3 but with different UI completely but will always be 1 step behind CM7 so its still beta as well (RC whatever f-off beta)
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Search is your friend.
[Captivate General] sekhar_geddam:
Thank You for your quick reply.
[Vibrant General] bionik9:
Hey guys - I'm new to this forum, but I figure if anyone can help me, someone here can.

So, my bro got ahold of my phone and rooted it and installed Axura 2.2.5.9.

Since there is a newer version, I would like to throw it on and work out a few glitches and get whatever tweaks were put there.

So, how do I go about updating this thing? If anyone has the time or the patience, I would love to hear this in layman's terms.

Like:

Step 1 - download 'this file'

Step 2 - Plug phone in and drag/drop to 'folder x' on 'internal/external sd'

Etc. I came from an iPhone and all the lingo is different - like jailbreaking vs rooting. And saying "flash" instead of "load" or ROM instead of OS.

I would just like to update, but I'd liek to not be confused by all the different slang.

Thanks, anyone, for putting your 2 cents in to help a brother out. :D
[Vibrant General] hida0901:
this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=849028

will answer all your questions
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
After you read the noob guide, feel free to PM me if you need clarification... I would also be curious to know if you think it could be improved. I wrote it trying to cater to the noob.
[Vibrant General] Abu-7abash:
Just install download the rom you want on the sd (internal memory, dont save it in any folder) then boot into recovery (you should be able to do so by simply holding the power button for a second) now choose install zip from sd or sth like that and pick the rom file. The end.
[Vibrant General] shreddintyres:
full instructions easily available on the d4a site

click the link in my sig go down to vibrant section > roms> read the op

Its exactly like flashing any other rom, only difference being that you have an axuraXXXX.zip instead of ANYOTHERROM.zip

Cheers.
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Just remember to backup your apps, since the new rom will wipe your phone.

To be safe, you may want to make a nandroid backup in CWR... always nice to have something to fall back on.

The guide has more detail like these steps, but yes, everyone is right in saying just download it and flash it. I think it's important to backup everything.
[Vibrant General] bionik9:
The Noob Guide is really well written. My problem now is I cant find the file to download!
[Vibrant General] Abu-7abash:
A Rom you mean? You can find those in the development forum along with other tools you may need to run/flash it.

Here's a link just in case you don't know where that is

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=711