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[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
For the love of God... not another effing debate about one-click solutions and learning ADB. Noob this, noob that... developer this, developer that. :rolleyes:

The ultimate point is that nobody is entitled to anything... but once a solution has been developed in an open community, nobody is prohibited from using it based upon their level of experience.

I personally feel that it is beneficial to know how the root method works, but there are people who could care less and just want to root their device without fully understanding the process/risks/technicalities.

The bottom line is that they are free to do this and they are "allowed" to use one-click root solutions without having technical knowledge or understanding what ADB is!

/end_rant
[Thunderbolt General] hammer4203:
Well what good is root at this point? The radio has issues, the camcorder app is bunked, txt app is wishy washy, ringtones for specific contacts switches, etc. I am waiting on root at this point! I have rooted every android phone I have had and this one just seems to flake with root at this time. I still don't understand wth it's doing! If I had a clue, I would write a one click. Just makes it less of a head ache if you have more than one tb to do. And you won't have noobs pop up asking wth did I do wrong. And yes I'm a noob too, but I also read b4 I venture into the unknown. I still say if u wanna learn go buy a book and if ya don't understand it then ask. Why not just put a noob section on each device forum? Let people help the ones that can't do it on their own. Heck make it a mandatory $10 donation fee if ya gotta have someone show you what to do. Seems like no one here has ever had to ask for help. I fix my father's car, not because I really want to. Just because if he does it, it won't ever run again. He ain't got a clue! Some people just aren't able to understand things like others. Be nice and quit bashing noobs.
[Thunderbolt General] chimpsnest:
Even rooting w/o flashing a new custom ROM is causing issues?
[Thunderbolt General] hammer4203:
From what I have seen even just straight root causes issues. I really prefer root without flashing a lot of extra. Simple and to the point. Gives me access to files without the head ache of something going wrong.
[Thunderbolt General] racedog:
I rooted to stock and ran that for almost a week before flashing a rom. I had no issues whatsoever.

R
[Thunderbolt General] MoxJr:
Is it assumed that there will never be a true easy 1-click root solution for this phone?

I am on my last week of eligibility to return this phone and if there will not be the same kind of support for this phone from the dev community, then I would like to know so that I can return it.
[Thunderbolt General] nerozehl:
There is already a ton of support and development for this phone. There are several ROMS and kernels already, and the root process is very easy to do. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn how ADB works. Frankly, if you feel like you deserve to have superuser access to a *IX operating system then damnit you should know what the hell you're doing; that's just my 2 cents though. I wouldn't just turn over root access to my server rack to someone who doesn't understand and appreciate the responsibility of unfettered access to the operating system.

That being said, I am of the mindset that everyone should take the opportunity to learn how these systems work, and would gladly help anyone willing to do so. I have loved Unix based operating systems ever since I got my hands on the first release of Slackware Linux, love the BSDs, and have a lot of fun using Solaris.
[Thunderbolt General] MoxJr:
Sorry but I'm just looking for something like unrevoked for the T-bolt. I only need it to remove all the bloat, not trying to do anything too fancy.
[Thunderbolt General] nerozehl:
I understand totally wanting to get the bloat off the phone; that's something I think every owner wants, lol.
[Thunderbolt General] vinnyjr:
There are places you can send your phone for $100.00 they will root your phone and guarantee it. Get it back with superuser perm. allready set up. You send it to them overnight delivery and they send it back to you the same way. All said and done it would take 3 days. Just a thought for those that are not very tech savy or just don't feel comfortable rooting their own phone. I know someone who did just that and they are very happy. No issues at all.
[Thunderbolt General] yumms:
Used the Easyroot + S-Off from the previous page...am now rooted :D:eek::D
[Thunderbolt General] hammer4203:
Just use the windows root. It is simple enough.
[Thunderbolt General] andrewy:
There are some of us in the camp who understand ADB, have written apps for the platform, and understand rooting and STILL want a one click root.

Perhaps the original poster also didn't want to WIPE the phone to obtain Root. With other phones (Droid 1, Droid 2), i was able to Root and Unroot in less than 5 minutes doing no more than a single click. That's a huge benefit to Z4Root, Soup Or Root, etc.

That's the only reason why I haven't rooted yet. Being condescending towards one of their own because they want to root their phone but don't want to have to learn ADB or terminal commands isn't the way to go. Not everyone has the computer skills required (or the time or the patience). Sometimes, the internet just brings out the worst in people (or so I tell myself so I don't become overly cynical)

I hate the bloat, and want free tethering. But I'm willing to wait to see if a solution comes out that doesn't require me to wipe the phone. I'll save that for when I have a full TiBu and flash a new ROM.
[Thunderbolt General] Link_of_Hyrule:
Well I plan on learning more adb I rooted a Motorola devourv before but I know an app takes less time and I don't want to wipe my phone I plan on eventually being able to code android apps but don't have time atm. anyways thanks for the replies.
[Thunderbolt General] xXJay_RXx:
its just easier to understand all this ADB and command stuff. stop being lazy and wanting to do it the "easy" way. grow a pair, read up on commands and dive right in. youll feel proud after you have done it :)
[Thunderbolt General] animez:
+1 - I want to root to get rid of the bloat but I don't really want to wipe my phone to root it. I have no problem using the long method as long as there's a well written guide, but I much prefer the one click method. Hell, when I decided to root my Eris, I rooted it and installed a rom without even connecting it to a computer. If a one click method never comes for the TBolt, I'm sure I'll eventually do it the hard way, but it's just not worth it right now to me.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] Link_of_Hyrule:
So when I do the current root will I lose all the data on my phone and what are the disadvantages of doing it? After I downgrade and root can I upgrade back to the newest version and keep my root
[Thunderbolt General] andrewy:
That's basically the way it works. The phone flashes the old software, applies the exploits and then flashes the ROM you have now (and the exploit sticks so you're still rooted). You're only on the downgrade for a few minutes. To my knowledge, no one has rooted the later builds (and I'm not sure how likely it is that they will).

At that point, you have to reset your phone up (restore your apps if you did a backup using one of the 3rd party backup tools), configure your settings just like it was out of the box.

I have myself 75% talked into it and just deal with restoring the apps using MyBackup Pro. Maybe when they start charging for tethering next month....

You just have to weigh the pros / cons. No one seems to be bricking their phone, so that concern should be minimal. You just need to decide if you want to spend the time restoring everything.

Good luck.
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
You obviously do not have the first clue about how the current root method works then. There is no easy exploit in the current firmware on the device... there is currently no way to run a one-click root app and gain root privileges. This will only occur if an exploit is found in the current firmware on the device.

The reason why the tried and true root method wipes data and requires directions (unless you use a one-click app on your PC... which essentially runs all of the steps of the process for those who are too lazy to manually run them on their own) is because the firmware is downgraded in order to exploit the system and obtain root.

Your argument about understanding the process is completely void. I am not one of the people who is condescending towards those who desire one-click root and I could care less whether or not people learn ADB before rooting. I just want people to understand what they are getting into before they root. Many people just think it opens the doors to endless possibility, which it does... but these possibilities can also open up a can of worms when users do not understand what they are doing with their root privileges. (many people do not even know what su is. lol.)

I agree! A one-click root app would be very convenient, especially if you simply want to root and remove bloat. This would make things very convenient. Unfortunately there is no known exploit at this time and no one-click app. The best root method available has resulted in 0 bricks, is stable, tested, but requires a wipe. I guess you cannot have the best of both worlds :(
[Thunderbolt General] ERIFNOMI:
The wipe isn't really a big deal anyway. Yeah, I guess you'll lose your progress in angry birds, but any good app that has important data lets you export it. Then you root, get Ti Backup and make scheduled backups of angry birds!
[Thunderbolt General] andrewy:
I'm well aware of how the current root works. You're just making the argument because you're in the "you should know what you're doing before you do it" camp. I never explicitly said it *could* be done on the current firmware. I have no idea if an exploit will be found, or if anyone is even working on it.

The "tried and true" method you refer to applies to the current Thunderbolt rooting process. I've rooted the Droid 1 and Droid 2 both the long way, and the one click way (both Z4root and Soup or Root). Guess what - those phones were able to be rooted without wiping the phone or "downgrading". Some end users might care about wiping the phone. I'm glad it isn't a big deal for some of you, and it's not all about your "angry birds" progress. There's a lot of other app data, and settings, widgets, etc that will all need to be set up again.

I never mentioned anything about the Thunderbolt process, so I'm confused as to why you wanted to attack my knowledge about rooting. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and maybe you just skimmed my post. Or maybe you're just the type of person I was referring to in that post. Guess I need to go shopping for the first clue!!
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
Sorry about that. I am not insulting your intelligence.

I am clarifying that the reason one-click root apps are not currently possible with the available root method is because that root process relies on flashing an older firmware (which is what requires the wipe) in order to exploit a hole and obtain root.

My knowledge of the process is not expansive. I am not claiming to be an expert or understand the exploit thoroughly... I simply understand the process and what it is doing.

I also tried to make it clear in my post that I support one-click methods. Users have the right to choose what to do with their device. That is what the community is all about... freedom. The thing that bothers me (and I am definitely not saying you do this) is when people demand features, demand methods, and demand functionality from developers and act like the developers owe them this for some reason.

The device has been out for less than a month and the development progress is outstanding. The only reason I warn people about one-click methods is so they understand what they are getting into. One-click root solutions quickly open up a world of complex topics... some people are prepared and others are not. This is their choice (obviously)!! Just hopefully if they run into problems they can search for solutions/figure it out without bothering developers or flooding IRC channels :D
[Thunderbolt General] jcase:
Currently, there is no safe one click or automated root app for this phone.

Root for the thunderbolt is unlike root for other phones, and well is just a little riskier.

Most people with problems on this phone, used one click type setups.
[Thunderbolt General] patdroid1:
i bit the bullet and used jcase's root method (having no previous adb knowledge)...followed step by step and while it was a little scary...worked to perfection been rooted and flashing roms and kernels like a kid in a candy store. what a relief coming from the most brick happy phone to date...the droid x!!!

oh yes...forgot to give thanks to jcase...team AndIRC...and all the other great devs for making us newbs android experts!!!! ;-)
[Thunderbolt General] Dnakaman:
I don't think the issue really is one click method or not. I think the biggest complaint seems to be that people that really don't understand what they are doing are trying these methods and then when things don't work, they want someone to fix. The problem is that since they don't understand adb basics, it's not always easy to help them.

My analogy is like when a computer noob say their computer is broken and you ask them what the problem is and they answer, "It's broke". I can see where that can be frustrating for those trying to help.
[Thunderbolt General] Link_of_Hyrule:
Well I just wish some one would find a way to back up all the settings to a file and put them back after the root process then it would be easier I suppose also a app makes it so you don't even need a PC to root I understand why a one click app wont work so when I get home on Mondayv I'll root with adb like every one else. Please try not to argue my post wasn't meant to create so much contention in the community thanks for all your ideas and posts!
[Thunderbolt General] Link_of_Hyrule:
I found out there is such a program called mybackup pro
[Thunderbolt General] papi92:
Just do it thru adb. It takes a half hour or so after all is downloaded and adb is setup
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flores1980:
I have installed samfirmware JVK ROM, then i have flashed CF-Root 2.6 and all has gone well.

But then i have tried to install the Black Android Theme and after installation and reboot the changes dont have effect.

Any idea?

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssvijay:
Most themes work only on Deodexed ROM. The one u installed from SAMFIRMWARE is STOCK ROM. You can find the Deodexed Version from Ramad's thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=948790. More over chk with the theme developer's thread if the theme is compatible with Ur ROM Version (JVK).
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flores1980:
Thanks!

I have tried but i get an error flashing.

"Amend script (update-script) is no longer supported."

I have CMD 3 wich is the one that comes with cf-root 2.6

Is there any way to install the Deodexed ROM im my situation?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MatrixASmith:
Yes and No

Yes, There is a stock deodexed ROM on the develpmente section.

No, if black theme is developed for froyo, there is no warranty it will work on jvk gingerbread
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] [Ramad]:
Flash supercurio's hacked JVK kernel: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=975349 and then flash the ROM from recovery, I will be updating Deodexed JVK on my thread to use updater-script in a few minutes: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=948790
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miro666:
Strange...By me work very well Black Theme....Same firmware, look onto my signature.

Regards
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skylinetun3r:
I keep seeing posts for this in other forums MyTouch 4g, etc. But no answers as to if a simple change can do it. I am trying to stay with the stock messaging app, but want to be able to send a text by hitting enter on the physical keyboard. I searched for this around a few different forums not just xda and couldn't find a definite answer. I would really like this functionality in the stock app if possible.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
So I am about to be 14 days in my Verizon contract and they are charging me these hidden fees called Verizon fees and its like $13 a line so in total my bill come to like 180 something with my 19% discount without it was supposed to be 220

But when I did the quote online it was 137 without taxes and my discount included

180 without taxes and no discount

So do the math and this is not including the activation.

End of rant

Anyone else get these fees because T-Mobile and att don't do these fees
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gunthermic:
I do believe when they quote online it doesn't include taxes etc.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j23a45m:
the best thing to do is call 611, and ask what are these fees on my bill.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iwanaleya:
Agreed, I've only ever run into issues when changing plans and then they prorate the service. Haven't had that issue in years though I'm sure it's still a problem.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clark44:
I did mine online and it said 73.00 without taxes and my discount. Than i called and they said 90.00 without discount. Is this right?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
Well I calculated everythime before I got this phone and wig taxes it would have been 147 or so
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clark44:
Thats a rip off. How many lines do u have? 4g unlimited?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thatsonlyme:
I just checked my first bill and besides hitting me with all possible kinds of fees (chicago 911 fee wtf?) my monthly access charges are almost $20 more than what verizon web site shows when shopping for a new plan!

I'm having 2 browsers open side by side as we speak and my bill shows $239.94 monthly access charge while verizon store shows 223.95!

for this very reason I switched from sprint years ago! I'll call customer service and try to work something out, but if they think we're all saps they're sooo wrong! I'll be back with T-mobile in no time and I'll make sure all of my friends know who's the best wireless provider! I've never had issues like this with T-mobile!

I was expecting my cell phone bill to go up a bit but this is going to almost double it!!!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] magneticzero:
Government 911 fees and taxes cant be avoided
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
i will be switching to at&t unlimited data plan tomorrow!! on the atrix :(
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] magneticzero:
either way, all companies do their billing this way afaik...but good luck on crappy network coverage and speeds.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
i never had a problem with tmobile and att excessive charges
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
I cannot speak for Chicago, but my plan in Pennsylvania with the DX and my brother with the Thunderbolt are identical.

$59.99 for 450 min w/ unlimited text

$29.99 for unlimited 3G/4G data

$.99 Ringback Tones

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~$83 /mo after 20% employee discount

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Sent from my Gingerbread-powered Droid X using a full featured version of Tapatalk, better known as Forum Runner. ;)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ERIFNOMI:
Unlimited AT&T data. Haha good joke...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
Unlimited 4G data, at 3G speeds. Subject to a 2GB/mo cap. ;)

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Sent from my Gingerbread-powered Droid X using a full featured version of Tapatalk, better known as Forum Runner. ;)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thetwiztidfreak:
Your first bill is always WAY higher than it will normally be. Not only do you have those government taxes that EVERY cell network has to charge in your area, but you have your 35.00 activation fees, as well as most peoples first bill has a full month and a partial month of access fess. Then you have your taxes on top of that which are also higher than normal since they are the taxes on the entire bill. If you went to a store you should have gotten a first bill estimation page with all your paper work. I know the in store reps are required to print one and go over it with every customer so they know what to expect on the first bill and dont act exactly like this.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
Obviously you did not read the thread in the atrix with the iPhone 2g glitch
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ERIFNOMI:
Nope. I'm uninterested in AT&T for the most part. AT&T sucks where I live.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
att is good where i live but when i had the iphone 4 last month i was getting 5-7 mbps and i guess the atrix is not hitting that high so that suck
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kendive:
Bye... Have fun over there.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
This post MIGHT be useless?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] magneticzero:
Nope...they were wishing you well on your trip back
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nosympathy:
LOL. The moment you call someone and drop a call, you'll be walking back tail between your legs.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spyke24:
Wow, you pay 29.99 for 3g/4g coverage. It's only 10.99 at sprint.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
i hated spint when i was with them like 7 years ago and like i said i live in a great tmobile and At&t area so no troubles for me
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Lol what
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IISiDeK1CKII:
Au Revoir friend. You think you're getting nickel and dimed now? Cool thing about VZW is their uncanny ability to maintain a voice call. Besides, Chi town is a 4g area, you should be pulling 4 times the data speeds on LTE you would on AT&T's joke of a "4G" network. And, 2/gb a month is NOT unlimited. I burned through that tethering, for free, in a week.

Regardless, whatever you decide to do, make sure its really what you want to do. If you think Motorola's sham device is better than the TB, please leave.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 0mie:
My plan seems good compared to what you guys are quoting...

I have 2 Droid X, 2 Thunderbolts, 1 Incredible

1400min

Unlimited text/data on each line

Insurance on all lines

20% discount and I only pay $180 after tax...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IISiDeK1CKII:
I'm only paying 60 a month, unlimited data, messages and 350 minutes a month.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HorsexD:
Im added Line on a grandfathered plan plus my new 30$ 4g data plan. I pay 45$ a month. Unlimited text, Data and 2000 Minutes too share i Belive. <3 Family plans :p
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaddix2:
Damn that's so cheap. I'm paying 200 a month for 5 lines. 1400 minute. No texts.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00s3y:
I pay $100 a month, unlimited everything and insurance. Been with VZW for the past 8 years. Only had one billing problem that whole time and they fixed that ASAP. Don't know what everyone on here is complaining about. Here though, if you feel the need to complain please fill this out :cool:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lorijuan1024:
Alright I madethe switch sorry to say I will not be coming back after this post all because the verizon fees but it was great while it lasted
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] magneticzero:
Can I call you? Oh wait you dont got any service....
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigandrewgold:
half of those fees are for the first month only

and on any other carrier you will have most of those fees too, but they may not appear to you
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kendive:
lol :d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ckochinsky125:
Uum at&t doesnt have unlimited data.