yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt General] yareally:
If you want to try a real benchmark (and one that will truely test your phone's graphics), try the one put out specifically for opengl

http://www.glbenchmark.com/tools.jsp?benchmark=glb2

scores to compare to (using the test at the top of the application [Egypt no FSAA]):

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4243/36161.png

I got 22.5fps running Das BAMF 1.3.2 without any additional modifications after running several times. (http://www.glbenchmark.com/subtest_results_of_device.jsp?D=HTC+Thunderbolt+(Mecha)&id=405)

Note: you'll have to create an account on their site to upload (and view) results.
[Thunderbolt General] Sirjacksinurbox:
And how do you best acquire this software?
[Thunderbolt General] yareally:
See the first link i posted (from above) and read the site. It's in their downloads section. After picking your phone from a drop down list, it will start downloading a ~10mb .apk file. It's kind of a small link and not obvious at first, but you'll see it after glancing at the page. The software is the benchmark 2.0. It's not in the market so you wont find it there.

Anandtech did a test of the phones listed in the results link (their results).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/2

Just as an FYI, if you run all the tests at once, be prepared to wait a 10mins or so. The application crashed on me the first time trying to upload results so it might be best to try one of the tests near the bottom of the application instead of the longer ones near the top until you are sure it will upload so you dont waste all that time only to have it crash after. It didnt crash after the first time so it should (hopefully) be okay for you after that. I've ran around a half dozen after that which all uploaded fine.
[Thunderbolt General] Sirjacksinurbox:
Thanks for the info. Downloaded it and ran all of the tests, and it does take quite a while to run.

Mine too failed at upload the first time. Trying a second time...

Update: After multiple attempts to upload the full test, it continued to fail. I got 20.3 on the stock ROM with root and a 1.8 overclock.
[Thunderbolt General] Forgetfull:
1800s stock and upwards of 2300 slightly overclocked on liquid thundersense.
[Thunderbolt General] imneveral0ne:
not anymore :-p

http://imgur.com/q0DVn
[Thunderbolt General] xTFGx:
This is the best I could do. PUR3AO5PTH3ORY v1.1.1 by DroidTh3ory. 1766 MHz OC
[Thunderbolt General] ScoobarSTI:
like a boss
[Thunderbolt General] KingKuba13:
No you win at the cheating game.
[Thunderbolt General] imneveral0ne:
I know I didn't cheat to get mine so I'm good ^_^
[Thunderbolt General] CanesDrew:
When will people realize that Quadrant scores literally mean nothing...

If your phone is snappy and works for you, that's all that matters.

Quadrant scores are so easy to manipulate, which is why Adrynalyne did what he did.
[Thunderbolt General] imneveral0ne:
I agree, thats why I use CF-Bench or Linpack if i really want a benchmark
[Thunderbolt General] CanesDrew:
My point is, who cares?

If your phone works adequately for you, why does it matter whose score is better?
[Thunderbolt General] imneveral0ne:
E-Peen i suppose
[Thunderbolt General] brisdaddy1207:
You know I get 1950 consistently and I'm not rooted at all
[Thunderbolt General] brisdaddy1207:
And the guys at Verizon were impressed because on not rooted well I was in the store we got 2048 that was the only time I got that. So to be honest quadrant standard and any other really aren't accurate
[Thunderbolt General] imneveral0ne:
no I'm really not rooted at all. I know that its not really anything but i get this constantly.
[Thunderbolt General] orkillakilla:
Quadrant scores are irrelevant to how a Rom feels. I've had 2000+ scores on one Rom, and ~ 1500 on another. Guess what, the 1500 was way smoother. (No specifics on the roms, mostly for example, but have seen it many times)

Besides, some roms have stagefright or what ever it is enable, which is essentially cheating.

Sent from my HTC GingerBolt powered by Gingeritis 1.2.1
[Thunderbolt General] timothymilla:
I get 4100 at 1.8ghz with the stock kernel on cm7 1.4. of course I'm using my speed boost app to control the CPU frequency...
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
If people wish to post quadrant here let them, their not hurting anything. Keep it on topic and post away no need for flaming or arguing.
[Thunderbolt General] loonatik78:
Look, if you want to get the best scores you can for a given ROM, here's a few things that will help.

1: Clock the daylights outta the thing.

2: Use swap if your kernel supports it.

3: Kill data service before BM'ing

4: Use nothing EXCEPT the Performance Governor.

ROMs like the Gingeritis ROMs don't BM well right off the bat because they are underclocked and run Ziggy's modified smartass gov that requires higher thresholds above 1.036GHz.
[Thunderbolt General] DaRkL3AD3R:
Assuming people aren't cheating (through the various methods that exist) then if two people with the same phone model run it and person A gets a 1500 score and person B gets a 3500, I can tell you right now person B's phone is running a lot faster.

As far as "smoother experience" is concerned, that is outside the realm of hardware performance and has more to do with software. Launcher Pro > Motoblur hands down when it comes to performance. Yet a phone overclocked to bejesus and back thats on stock Blur will bench higher than an underclocked phone using AOSP. What this means is, sure your UI might be snappier but faster system is a faster system, and that increase in Quadrant scores DOES translate to better performance, namely in games and other CPU intensive tasks (flash player etc)

So please, if you are unaware of the meaning behind proper benchmarking, do not belittle its importance. Not only is it good to compare devices and overclocking capabilities but it is also a great way to compare the performance of one ROM to another. On Sense based ROM's I score 1800-2200, on AOSP I can hit 3700+ at the same clock speeds. Yes, this does mean my phone is performing significantly better on AOSP. As long as you're honest to the benchmark the benchmark will be honest right back.
[Thunderbolt General] loonatik78:
That makes NO SENSE at all. Throughput is throughput. Clock cycles are clock cycles. Benchmarks are VERY relativistic measurements. Perhaps you missed my post about how I thought we'd all earned this lesson about 10 years ago, but let me explain to those who don't get it.

The benchmark you're running wasn't designed for the HTC Tbolt. It was designed for Android devices. It wasn't actually designed to fully exploit any GPU's characteristics because some devices don't have any discreet GPU, and many use different ones. A problem arose sometime before AMD's purchase of ATI regarding measurements of performance. Various benchmarks would yield wildly different results between ATI and nVidia GPUs configured nearly identically. The problem was that the benchmark was asking the hardware to perform functions in manner that was NOT how things would actually work in the real world. ATI devices were consistently blown out of the water by nVidia devices, but the real world results didn't match what the marks were saying.

Similar situations came up between AMD and Intel CPUs.

Benchmarks throw test scenarios at hardware in a very unnatural way, ways that real world use would rarely do. Programming is actually a VERY easy task compared to what it used to be because the complexity has moved to the hardware. The hardware is designed to take into account the fact that certain situations are highly unlikely to occur and takes advantage of that. That's the entire art of hardware prediction. And anything running a JVM or DalvikVM is HEAVILY dependent upon proper prediction. AOSP is always going to benchmark faster than Sense simply because there's less that it can happen 2 or 3 user commands away. Android is really just a multi-user, multitasking Linux platform, and there's no way to negate the impact those features have upon a benchmark in a given OS environment.

In other words.... Benchmarks are highly relativistic and aren't a real-world measure of what your device is actually doing or capable of doing.
[Off-topic] Acturbo:
Hey everyone.

I am taking Python programming as a part of my major currently and am a bit of a stand still on what is probably considered child's play to anyone familiar with it.

I am lost on this week assignment and having exhausted most of my resources I was hoping someone here could give me some help.

Part of this weeks assignments is to create a for loop that doesn't use the range function. A phrase must then be entered and the program must return the same phrase backward letter by letter. For example: If the word "World" is entered the program must return:

W

oW

roW

lroW

dlroW

I'm a bit stumped, the furthest I can get is this:

Word = raw_input("Input your favorite phrase: ")

#defines the variable

for letter in word:

#starts the loop based on number of letters in phrase

and uh that's about as far as I get. I don't even need a direct solution, if someone could even just point me in the right direction or has some more resources it would be helpful.

Anyone have any idea? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
[Off-topic] twitch351:
Well I don't know anything about python but one place you can go for help is dreamincode.net

Although I do remember doing a program like this in C++ two years ago, I forgot how to do it....
[Off-topic] Acturbo:
Thanks, I'll try anything at this point. Book doesn't help me, teacher unavailable, no help searching the web. Ugh, every week I go through this................
[Dell Streak 7] graffixnyc:
My Streak 7 running unofficial ota honeycomb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k22ipUUjoc0
[Dell Streak 7] Hellzya:
what no way? where did you find this?
[Dell Streak 7] KenpoAP:
C'mon graffixnyc, gimme more info! Need more
[Dell Streak 7] jcaf77:
Thats a theme... Its froyo with a hc theme.
[Dell Streak 7] graffixnyc:
haha you got me...

I did it and posted it as my HC themed Streak.. but hellzya said we should play a little prank and say it was fdor real. Hey.. I must admit.. it does look pretty close.. I'm taking a video of my streak 7 side by side with my xoom.

I did this a few ways

adw ex paid launcher with HC theme

beautiful widgets paid with blueberry skin

honeycomb clock from the market

and honeycomb wallpapers from the market
[Dell Streak 7] Hellzya:
damn! hahaha
[Dell Streak 7] illdill:
Blasphemy! ;) When I was still doing tier two tech support I had a chance to work with a few customers who had Honeycomb and I gotta tell ya, at first glance, I wasn't impressed. It was almost like going from XP to Vista. I will still give it a shot when its ported over or sent from Dell, but it will definately be a trial run.

Graffyxnyc, how do you like HC on the Zoom? What's your opinion on it?
[Dell Streak 7] thatruth132:
I just want a working 2.3 for some of these games I want to buy
[Dell Streak 7] jcaf77:
games that only work on 2.3?? what games?
[Dell Streak 7] thatruth132:
N.o.v.a 2

Amd a couple more titles
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MR0808:
I've done searching and can't really find an answer, so just wondering if it's possible at all to use the HTC Mail app on a non-sense rom at all? I'm not a big fan of the other mail apps that are out there.

Cheers

MR0808
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MR0808:
P.S. Just noticed mistake in thread title, apologies for this!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebugyi:
Never tried, but i think, it needs, the HTC framework.

Give it a try, maybe it'll work.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheGhost1233:
No need to try, it won't work.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MR0808:
Fair enough. Thanks for the answer.
[Desire General] thomas30:
I need help to find the right rom. Im interestet in a rom where battery time is the most important ting.
[Desire General] Aegishua:
Get a Sense based rom and use a low voltage kernel like a 875mV.

Just to give you a heads up, I recently tried GingerVillian 1.7 and 3 or 4 hours of music would drop the battery extremely heavily but this was because i was constantly checking the screen.

I switched back to a senseHD rom because there are more battery efficient kernels than on most AOSP roms. Now I'm using SupeROM HD (I like senseHD) with its stock kernel but if you wanted a longer battery life than the standard one then you could just flash the latest HAVS kernel that uses 875mV.
[Desire General] doulnut:
I would suggest whether Oxygen, Redux or Gingervillain for you. They have known for their superb battery time.
[Desire General] kirschi:
I use redux v1.1.1 (gingerbread) with a low voltage kernel (875mV). The battery lasts about two days when i use it normal.

What you even can do is make a screen off profile with setCPU and set the maximum and minimum frequency to 245MHz.

Best regards
[Desire General] swimon:
What is more important? Using the right ROM or using the right kernel?

I'm using Leedroid right now, but I still am very unhappy with my battery life (barely lasts 1 day)

I might try one of the roms mentioned above.
[Desire General] Grobiedeb:
I loaded Leedroid on my wifes desire last night, overnight it lost 3% with wifi on. Sofar today after couple of calls (3 outgoing and 5 incomming) and sms's its standing on 76%. Not a good test but only info.
[Desire General] kirbz:
I would recommend the mini sense Rom that's based on teppics stock Rom. I get 2 days out on my phone.
[Desire General] jureca:
For the RCMIXHD.

Salu2.
[Desire General] Red-Godspeed:
In my opinion, any AOSP Rom with low voltage kernel and using powersave mode
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
This is something that concerns everyone who owns and roots and Android phone. This may be rumor or speculation, but P3Droid is very reputable, and it does make some sense. Worth the read at least.

h t t p://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/android-news-rumors/6888-some-food-thought-bootloaders-rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html

*Edit* DUH MOMENT. Should have posted in Android General instead of D2 forums..... my bad
[Droid 2 General] boomertwo:
Well we knew this was going to happen. I don't care what people say but rooting devices are primary done for tethering. If you don't tether then good for you, have a cookie.

If you do tether and don't pay for that service then you really should consider just forking over the money now or face and etf. Till the day that tethering is consider free we are required by our contracts or carrier to pay for services that are not offered for free.

As for the monitoring of rooted devices I think that is wrong but the carriers have the right to refuse you service if your device is modified for security of there network. I would be ok with that as long as it was clearly explained before signing any contract or signing up for services without contracts.
[Droid 2 General] tychastain:
This probably means that the days of our thriving community could be numbered.
[Droid 2 General] rusty815:
I don't believe the primary reason for rooting is tethering, im pretty sure the primary reason that people root is to be able to fully customize their phones, I know that's why I did it. As for tethering, I don't really do it, but im not going to say I haven't ive done it those times that I needed internet on other devices and don't have wife, which is especially rare.

Tethering should be covered by the unlimited plan, the fact that I have to pay for it separately when I have unlimited bandwidth, having to pay for it separately is greedy.
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for tethering. But thats just it, A LITTLE. They want to charge $20-$30 for it. I could see like an extra $5-$10 a month.

Either way, I had decided to leave Verizon before all of this (not to say other carriers won't follow suit) so I don't care if they are tracking me or not.

I highly doubt they would, but if they DID terminate my contract, then awesome! That would just mean I wouldn't have to pay an early termination free and get to sprint faster.
[Droid 2 General] rusty815:
Well actually, if you read on in the thread you posted, it says how if the carriers catch you in violation of your contract by rooting or using a different firmware, then they will end your contract AND make you pay an etf
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
Well, either way, they haven't ended anyones contract for rootings that anyone knows of. I'll ride out the rest of my contract, go to Sprint, and wait and see how this whole thing unfolds before I decide to root my next phone.

I'll stick with Android, because it is still the best OS IMO, no matter how much they lock it down.
[Droid 2 General] silverfang77:
I certainly didn't root my D2 to tether. The reasons I originally rooted were so I could use Titanium and freeze the bloatware apps Verizon so thoughtlessly stuck on my phone with no way to remove them and so I could install Root Explorer and get rid of the camera shutter sound . I also enjoy taking screencaps with Shoot Me.

I don't think any of those things are detrimental to VZW's network.
[Droid 2 General] SiL3nTKiLL:
i only root to tether honestly :/
[Droid 2 General] Jmatch:
Ive never used tethering. I really dont know why I rooted. Maybe the thrill of maybe bricking. Kinda

Weird
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
I'll admit, I have used tethering. I usually only used it when I was at work during break for my laptop. I pay for cable and internet from a ISP, so I don't use tethering very often. I have stopped using it all together now.

And I just thought about this. Why have the carriers not tried to get PDAnet taken off the market since it is basically a nonroot required tether method that you don't pay for...
[Droid 2 General] Phoible:
I was tethering this morning on my rooted D2 running the Gingerbread leak (I actually was using a new Wireless Tether beta since the built-in hotspot app wasn't working too well). Regardless, the phone seemed to know that I was tethering, even though I wasn't using the built-in hotspot (it showed notifications that I was tethering).

After a couple of minutes, I got a message on my PC web browser telling me that I needed a tethering plan to tether. It asked whether I consented to adding a tethering plan ($20/month for 2GB).

So it appears that Verizon does now know who is tethering (potentially as of Gingerbread), and that they will be forcing us to upgrade to tethering plans if we plan to tether.

Considering that AT&T is doing this as well with the iPhone, this was sort of inevitable (since data seems to be going towards by-the-GB pricing anyways).
[Droid 2 General] silverfang77:
The message actually popped up right in your browser? That's downright creepy.
[Droid 2 General] Phoible:
Yeah. It popped up on my browser...
[Droid 2 General] Abowersq:
Just tried out my tether w/o a notebook and it came up tether or hotpot. Im a little ticked off but oh well
[Droid 2 General] silverfang77:
Can someone post a screencap of the message?
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
I would like to see this too. I don't doubt you that you got the message, just wanna see what it looks like
[Droid 2 General] nmh5001:
I've had two rooted phones: an Incredible that slipped through my fingers and and took a tumble into total screen disintegration, and my D2. Both were rooted for the soul purpose of getting rid of Verizon's bloat. I don't give a rat's ass about what city people are calling from, and if I did, I'D ASK THEM!! And coming from Sense, I found MotoBloat to be comparatively clunky and useless so I Fissioned up when that came out. It's sad that a skin that's suppose to make your phone easier to use I find just gets in my way. I used wireless tether only once: to finish my taxes when Comcast crapped out.
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
P3Droid tweeted that you SHOULD NOT use ANY tethering app. He believes that Verizon is going to be doing something about it this week.

Also, he suggests that if you have the stock Hotspot app hack, then you should SBF back to 2.2 ASAP!

Just thought I would pass this information along. Take it or leave it.
[Droid 2 General] Phoible:
P3Droid also said that the regular D2 wasn't going to get Gingerbread...
[Droid 2 General] twistmac:
I find it odd that P3Droid is the only one mentioning this, not that he may not be right, but you'd think there'd be more buzz about it.
[Droid 2 General] louspinuso:
If Verizon cancels my contract after 15 years of service with them as they went from Bell Atlantic and through all their other acquisitions/name changes because my phone is rooted, I'll be really pissed.

I don't know about everyone else, but I never use tethering on the phone. I strictly rooted to get rid of all the Verizon turds that they like to drop on my phone. No, I don't want Amazon MP3 or Blockbuster streaming on my phone. I want to be able to remove it on my device. And everything else that they like to dump on there. I really hate the fact that they don't give me the option of just removing those POS's from my phone. If they would, I wouldn't root.

As for voiding the warranty, yeah, I agree, it should void the warranty because ultimately they don't know if anything that broke was related to something you did while rooting or even after (overclocking?)
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
They are mainly targeting tether users right now. If you don't tether, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
[Droid 2 General] problematic:
Seeing as how you can practically do everything untethered that you can do untethered, they are fighting a losing battle.

Seeing as how there has been a supreme court case declaring rooting/jailbreaking legal (I seem to remember this being what happened maybe it was a lower court), they are fighting a losing battle.

They can terminate my service it they want to, but if they think for a second I'm going to pay their ETF after they cut me off unjustly? Laugh. No.

My credit is already garbage and I can just add them to my bankruptcy and send them a letter thanking them for the free phone even if it barely did anything I wanted it to with Motorola's pre-installed malware chip.

This can go one of two ways for them. They can either offer the best service for the lowest price they possibly can and just live with the fact that some users are atypical or they can piss us off to the point where we start researching methods to get onto their network for free, undetected.
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
I don't think you people are getting it.

They are not attacking root users. They are going after people who are illegally tethering. IF YOU DON'T TETHER, DON'T WORRY.

Even if you do tether, they probably won't cut your service. They will probably notify you that if you continue, they will start charging you monthly. I don't see them doing any more than that.

EVERYONE CALM DOWN!

Also, I was looking in to changing to Sprint when my Verizon contract is up. I've changed my mind. I played with my friends Evo today, and it took literally 10 minutes to download ES File Explorer. Takes about 5 seconds to do that with Verizon. Could just be the area, but I'm not willing to sacrifice that kind of speed...
[Droid 2 General] kiwilit43:
I'm a long term Verizon subscriber, had them for 10+ years. But honestly I was also thinking Sprint when my contracts up. I don't really tether, I've done it a total of maybe five times over the years I have rooted phones. And I agree that if you aren't tethering you don't really need to worry. But, Verizon has changed over the years. They have cancelled new every two (one of the things I loved about Verizon), they have moved or are going to move away from unlimited data plans, they are more expensive then their competition, and now all of this? I dunno, I feel at this point they are getting kind of greedy. My run with Big Red might be up...

Orkillakilla was the speed that horrible? I have some friends on Sprint. They admit that their customer service is horrible, but that overall they get signal in most places and that is pretty fast.