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[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jbhorner:
Funny thing about that. From personal experience, I can say that the anticipated panacea doesn't really materialize. Verizon has done away with their unlimited worldwide data plan (unless grandfathered), so that rules out an affordable means to roam worldwide for data. The places they provide buckets of data to use is very, very sparse. I'm not sure why they reduced it as much as they did.

So, the statement everyone then makes is "just buy a prepaid SIM when you travel." Easier said than done. Getting a prepaid SIM for voice is easy enough. (Except in Korea--where they're very closed.) Getting a prepaid SIM for data--an entirely different beast altogether. Many places don't even offer the ability and those that do charge a fortune (general ranges I've seen are $2.50 per MB up to $25 per MB). I say many, as I've only traveled in Asia for the most part, and didn't really look when I was in Europe. But, I'm betting that getting prepaid data abroad isn't easy--or cheap.

So, for me, the thing I don't care about now is whether or not I'm using my Verizon phone or a second GSM phone I carry if I do want a pre-paid option for voice. But having in a phone that is essentially crippled (due to a lack of always-on data) when I travel isn't a high priority. For me, using Skype in the hotel is my primary method of communication; the cell phone is on--but only for emergencies.

Joel
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khanam:
not being rude at anybody on the forums - just at smarmy motorola. i was amazed that a motorola phone with a locked bootloader would be mentioned in the same breath as an htc phone with its kernel source available on a proper dev forum such as xda. if they compared the 2 on cnet.com whose audience is the general public who does not care, i would understand it but not on a respected developer infested forum where motorola is despised for violating the principle behind open source android and samsung plays games - the only relatively straight manufacturer is htc and thats the truth.

also, a dual core phone will use lesser resources only if the rom is optimized to handle tasks that way. in its current configuration, froyo and gingerbread are not designed to be able to do so hence you will not see the better resource utilization. running win xp on quad core machines wont give you better performance either but those quad cores will surely use more power!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SicNside:
I went with TB because its HTC and being able to have unlimited data felt a little better than duel core.. the duel core just means better multitasking at a higher level that's it and I don't know about you but Motorola to me usually means something is always going to be wrong with the phone..
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thelaw.com:
No - the problem is that we have email checking every 10 minutes and accessing 4G really burns the battery more than other phones. This one has a 3G battery in a 4G phone. Of note, the Bionic's battery will have 35% more capacity than the stock Thunderbolt. That said:

- Nobody knows whether 4G will be tiered with the release of the Bionic and rumors are that it may well be

- The deals for the Thunderbolt are there and my offer was too good to pass up so it was a no brainer

- As much as I like dual core, I worry about battery life. The TB is very fast, certainly fast enough, and I wouldn't want to have to worry about the need to power another processor should software create unexpected results

- The Incredible 2 is in no way a comparable phone. If it's not 4G it's not comparable (oddly enough, that 3G phone will have a larger capacity batter)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IISiDeK1CKII:
Hey khanam! Glad to see someone from the DINC forums here, someone with a good head on their shoulders I should say...

@OP - The only reason the Bionic even sounds remotely good to me is the possibility it could be used with the laptop dock. BUT, it is severely hamstringed by it's lack of RAM. Couple that with a locked bootloader and you have the most worthless phone VZW can offer. If you really want to get something other than the TB, wait and see what the Samsung Charge looks like, or, the DINC 2.

I really wish the Pyramid was coming our way, I'd like to play around with it.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shaddix2:
Only read the first page. Here's my comments.

Get the tbolt. Custom kernels. Unlimited lte. You get it earlier.

About dual core and power use, nvidia made the bionics guts, that's reason enough alone to believe it has better power management.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edward_g:
I'm very satisfied with the Tbolt. I came from rooted Eris. Tbolt is not rooted. I thought at first the phone might be too big or heavy. I quickly adjusted and think It's just right for me. The battery has steadily improved and is not an issue. I won't be needing another battery. The phone call quality is very good. The large ear piece makes listening easy. I'm only on 3g but its great.

The screen with Verizon's protection looks and feels fine. My two piece holster style case (also VZW) feels and looks great without bulk.

I suppose buyer remorse can be an issue with any retail item. Customers can be chronic returners and can be impossible to satisfy.

I say relax and enjoy! It's a great phone.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eallan:
I'm sorry but you just don't know what you're talking about.

First android is Linux, it can use multiple cores just fine. Individual apps may need time.

Second, the bionic has a much larger battery.

Third, you don't know enough about the architectures of either phone to know power consumption.

Blanket statements and condescending attitudes don't work well for you.

My atrix battery lasts far longer than my nexus one. Motorola has already pushed out an update as well.

The bootloader is a perfectly valid reason to avoid moto however.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nmyeti:
This is true of the targa, but each the core on the new snapdragons can be clocked asynchronous. Add to that the adreno 220 and it might be worth waiting for the new HTC
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gregdalfonso:
I completely agree with most of the comments. I prefer htc to Motorola and would rather have thunderbolt than bionic. But..

First, your asking on a thunderbolt thread, we will al be biased.

Second, considering you don't know what gingerbread is and it appears you have no idea about customs Roms, rooting etc... ( I could be wrong) but that is going to be the main factor that makes the thunderbolt better.

If you don't plan to root and install custom roms and kernels, I suggest you go to a vzw store, look at sense and motoblur and decide which you prefer.

Both of these are/will be great. And you can always install a custom launcher if you don't like stock UI.

Both phones have their ups and downs, and if rooting and roma aren't you're thing, the bionic could possibly be a better choice for you... Just my two cents...

And if dual core is your main concern and only thing stopping you from the thunderbolt, then get the thunderbolt. First, dual core isn't optimized for android yet. But I can assure you, you wont notice much of a difference, if at all in speed.

Ps. Don't believe the myths about dual core eating battery. People like to talk out their ass. Dual core will he close to the same battery, possibly a little better. Each proccessor is running lower voltage blah blah blah, to keep it short dual core wont be a battery hog.

Also, when you buy a dual core and nothing is optimized for it, your only using one core anyway.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eallan:
Speaking of myths to believe...

Android can use both cores. This rumor is nuts.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cyrax2768:
I would get the thunderbolt. Plenty of support on the device new kernels and roms release daily right after release, and to be honest i don't think dual core phones will be that much better right away until applications/ os optimizes to use both cores correctly.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gregdalfonso:
I didn't sat android isn't optimized for it. INDIVIDUAL applications must be optimized for it also.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Boss428man:
Kinda silly as one phone isn't going to make you a god and other is not. Get the best you can, go check them out and get what you need at the moment. In Q4 there will be a better phone and guess what Q1 2012 again its an endless cycle, get something and make the most of it that is the best use of your time rather then debating which is gonna give you a little more glint. Just my point of view. Personally I always go with HTC as look at the community around here. Feels good to be apart of a large group of knowledgeable people. That is one thing you can't find in a sales brochure. Anyways best luck with your choice
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] engagedtosmile:
I was thinking of getting the Bionic but I hopped on the Thunderbolt with a 1 year contract. Unlimited LTE was too good to pass up. By the time I am eligible for an upgrade, dual core will be the standard and hopefully Android will be optimized for it and there are some higher quality apps out there that push it to the limits.

I am content with having the fastest single core phone out there right now with the best wireless service. I don't regret getting this phone at all.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crashdogy:
I work for ATT and was talked to a friend of mine a Verizon store . There was a Motorola rep there said they my not release Droid bionic. He did't really go in to why not. But that's what the rep said.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnprevite:
Very happy with my thunderbolt.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vitsdroid:
Really happy with the Thunderbolt and here is why I think its better than the Droid Bionic

1. Able to unlock the and root the Thunderbolt, while the Bionic you"ll be lucky if you can bootstrap it.

2. HTC Sense is awesome and motoblur is horrendous and duplicates stuff google already does. Had a Droid 2 and rooted 3 DX's for friends.

3. Its available now!

4. Grandfathered 4G is guaranteed for me for at least 2 years.

5. Its very fast! it may have a single core but it also has 256md more ram. The system can use the ram now while dual cores need future updates to take advantage of it.

6. From everyday use, compared to my previous Droid 2 with fission or liberty roms the thunderbolt feels twice as fast.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simp dogg:
Ditto

Sent From Rooted Stock Rom Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigmonkiki:
can you show me how?

Hi, my Bolt usually lasts 8+ hours, can you show me how you let it last more than 12 hours?

thank you thank you thank you!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SicNside:
I don't have 4g in my area so I use the LTE OnOff by team AndIRC to switch to 3g only And my stock battery lasts 12-14 + hours with moderate use
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MONDOIV:
Love my t-bolt
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slim6596:
I was going to wait too, but when I added up ho much I could save (potentially) by upgrading now and getting unlimited 4g for the same $$ as 3g, I went for it. Unlimited 4g for $23.xx/month. Cool. (FedEx employee discount)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slim6596:
Why so negative? I came to the TB from the Droid X. I liked the phone, it being my first smartphone. The devs that were doing the customizations (ROMs, themes, and such) did what they could with what Moto gave them. Granted, there were no custom kernels, but you could overclock, undervolt, theme, delete MotoBlur, delete VZ bloat, etc. I still like my DX, just selling to pay for my TB. If I wasn't short on $$, I would keep it as a backup.

"...moto phone - those are meant for the intellectually challenged..."

Generalities are seldom accurate. 142 IQ here.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rajuabju:
Motoblur is one of the WORST interfaces ever. I absolutely hate it. I had a D2Global for a while, and the phone simply sucked, due to the Blur interface.

Bionic specs look awesome.

If you're waiting for that phone, you might as well wait for the Pyramid. Or whatever phones comes out after that.

HTC > Motorola
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khanam:
Even the brightest make mistakes! :) Seriously though, motorola is too closed compared to htc. Play on the bolt for some time and you will see the difference is significant. Plus they are too smug a company. 500 $ underpowered laptop dock? That's what got me really ticked.

Sent from my thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwort93:
I LOVE my thunderbolt, unless you really want to have MotoBlur (lol) I would go with the Bolt.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crazed_z06:
I wanted a bionic but I didn't want to possibly miss out on unlimited 4g, so I jumped on the thunderbolt. I'm coming from a Droid x and even though the Thunderbolt is better in every way (except battery) I still miss the X..

If the battery fiasco on the thunderbolt isn't somewhat rectified, ill probably end up selling the thunderbolt and shelling out 700 bucks for an off contract bionic
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eallan:
You said this:
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trueplaya89:
I bought my Thunderbolt, well it will be here on Friday. $175 with a 2 year on letstalk.com

But ya, bought it so I wouldn't get jousted out of an unlimited plan. That and my EVO 4G is on its last leg.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkybside:
Dual does not equal faster, just netters multitasking at the expense of more power hungry.

I love this and say pull the trigger on a bolt. It does not disappoint.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnh123:
Do we assume that verizon will announce in advance the date that unlimited data is ending so we'll have the chance to jump in before it ends, like at&t did?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skyllos:
I agree, duel core just means better multitasking not better speed its easy to find that out using pc's also after checking quad and benchmarks the xoom beat the thunderbolt on 3d graphics and that's it. CPU speed and I/O the thunderbolt won and unless I'm wrong which I may be, but isn't the bionic using the same duel core as the xoom?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkybside:
All they have said is summer.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jr313:
If u think the droid x is locked dwn...hahaha...wait for da bionic ur gna luv it...TB WINNING!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corenojoe:
Love the Tbolt!! Don't get the bionic it will be totally locked down. The Tbolt is awesome and development for it is already outstanding and still getting better.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eallan:
Yes it is the same tegra 2 with less ram.

Dual will definitely be faster if your ever maxing out your processors only core. Offloading tasks to a second core is a big advantage.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SicNside:
Yes both same, and yes the CPU in the TB did beat out the duel core tegra in speed but not by very much, but like eallan up above said is also true.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zohaibshaheen:
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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
You can check for yourself with current widget.

But people say that currently they both consume the same amount of power.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zohaibshaheen:
thanks ..............
[Droid 2 General] BamaKev:
I renamed the apk to swype.apk.bak and the install ran fine. I rebooted the phone, and all swype will do is force close. Has anyone got this working yet?
[Droid 2 General] BamaKev:
Never mind...had to remove all occurrences of swype using root explorer, and reinstall.
[Droid 2 General] BamaKev:
Steps to get the new Swype:

1) Make sure you have a root file explorer like Root Explorer.

2) Mount /system as R/W

3) Navigate to /system/app and rename Swype.apk to Swype.apk.bak

4) Navigate to /data/dalvik-cache

5) Rename data@app@com.swype.android.insttaller-1.apk@classes.dex to data@app@com.swype.android.insttaller-1.apk@classes.dex.bak

6) Rename system@app@Swype.apk@classes.dex to system@app@Swype.apk@classes.dex.bak

7) ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE WITH "SWYPE" LISTED IN THE NAME IN /data/dalvik-cache AND /system/app

8) Install Swype from beta.swype.com

9) Have fun Swyping :)

This worked for me. If you have any issues, let me know and I'll see what I can figure out. Do not touch libSwype.core or your Swype installation will fail.
[Droid 2 General] destin246:
How do I mount system r/w?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sharp1114:
As you are about to see, I'm new to this.

I have been attempting to root my Captivate. I have tried Galaxy One Click Root and Super One Click 1.7, among others.

My phone won't enter recovery mode. I have tried to install z4root, which the phone blocks. I've tried using sideload wonder machine, which doesn't work either.

I downgraded to 2.1....nothing. Reloaded 2.2....nothing.

Any advice would be helpful at this point, and please be specific, as I am slightly retarded.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sepherian:
It its rumored that Odin one click to jf 6 will actually get rid if the recovery/ download modes, maybe try flashing a cognition ROM
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whiteguypl:
That's not a rumor, it's a fact. Does not happen with all models.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrhaley30705:
What about full odin to jf6? I personally like to use odin every so often to master clear.

It would explain why superone click wouldnt root my phone lst time i master cleared, too. Ended up installing cwm and flashing straight to rom(which took care of rooting and 3rd party apps)
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sharp1114:
As I said, I'm slightly retarded. Do you know of a forum with instructions for doing this? Everything else I've tried has just caused a face to appear on my phone's screen laughing at me.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrhaley30705:
When you use super one click, did you enable usb debugging?

Sent from a place my wife doesn't know about
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jayjr1105:
The captivate is actually an extremely easy root process...

Download this file update.zip

Put it on your internal SD card (internal Memory) not your SD card you can remove

Turn off your phone

Once off hold both volume up and down and hold power until you see the AT&T boot screen then let go of all 3 buttons. You should see recovery mode soon. Select Reinstall Packages, congratulations you are now rooted.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrhaley30705:
Is that the modded cwm? I think he said he was on 2.2. Regular cwm won't work with froyo(signature verification errors). There is a modded one somewhere on this site that either replaces 3e, our fixed sig on cwm.

Sent from a place my wife doesn't know about
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jayjr1105:
I think he downgraded to 2.1 again which is what you'll need to be on to use the method I described.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sharp1114:
I'm running 2.2

1-Downloaded and installed file update.zip to internal sd. Turned off phone. Tried to enter recovery mode. Got blank screen, att screen, blank screen, att screen, blank screen, etc etc.

2-Tried to install z4root. Blocked by phone. Tried to use sideload wonder machine, which can't detect the phone (in usb debugging mode and mass storage (tried both))

3-Tried Super One Click, which ran but did nothing.

4-Flashed to 2.1 and factory reset. Tried (2) again. Failed. Tried 1-3. Failed.

5-Flashed to a different version of 2.2. Started over. Failed.

I've been using some of the mobile tech videos, but everytime I get to the "Eureka!" phase, my phone just laughs at me.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dani897:
use odin full version to flash speedmod kernel on 2.2, i even do this on 2.1, but on 2.1 you need the .zip file on the sdcard before you start because the phone will not boot with a 2.2 kernel, only enter recovery.

once on speed mod kernel you can either root and flash a kernel for att roms or flash a new rom without the need to root, the new rom will be rooted.

if you are on 2.2 you will need a computer one way or another, flashing back to stock can be a pain for those with the 3 button problem and it is way more time consuming than flashing a kernel, i have never used the tools out there but i don't know of an easier way than flashing a kernel via odin, especially if you intend to flash a 3rd party rom. also any time you flash a sbl.bin or boot.bin can be a dangerous situation. bad flashes that break the boot loaders aren't common but it causes enough "omg i bricked" threads to keep me from recommending it. there is a odin one click with a 3 button fix, if you use that once it will be fixed untill you flash a rom with odin that changes the bootloaders again. im not sure if there is a .tar stock rom for odin without the bootloader but that would be a good idea if there isn't.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pirateghost:
you must not have the right drivers installed.

2.2 cannot be rooted by using an update.zip....you will need to get your drivers working and adb seeing the device....
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dani897:
sounds like you need the 3button fix first. there is an odin stock rom+3button fix, it should take you to 2.1 but you will get recovery mode. if that fixes the recovery mode 3-button combo and the phone boots you can put the rom of your choice on the sd card, then odin flash speedmod kernel and flash the new rom,

warning

the phone doesn't boot a 2.1 rom with speedmod kernel, i only do this as a faster way to get into cwm recovery, only do that if you intend to flash a rooted rom from 2.1.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sharp1114:
Do you have a suggestion for a stable rom? I don't want to get to the point where I've got it working and throw a terrible third party on it. I'm just looking for device speed and controll over all apps, especially bloatware.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m3thods:
all of the available roms are stable. to be honest TiBu will remove bloat if you want it to.

Try them all and see which one you like. Pretty much all of the custom roms are better than stock. If you like to stay near stock but run more optimized, see Cognition. Otherwise see which one you like more. It's not a hard process if you read up on it.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dani897:
it is hard to go wrong with cognition which is a stock rom with some mods and bloat removed and tethering enabled, that will have the proper kernel and modem for the captivate which for me has great call quality, also the disadvantages of not having hsupa are overblown.

there is also andromeda which is the rom from the armani captivate and is well polished and complete, has some of the more useful samsung apps. this can be used with a 2.2.1 kernel ported from the i9000 for a slight speed boost (shows in benchmarks, may not be detectable in user experience) this has hsupa and is designed for the captivate

i9000 ports are newer 2.2.1 versions and all of the features work now so you may want a newer firmware version from one of those..

there are many 2.2.1 i9000 roms that are fully functional. that is more a matter of feature set and theme preference it is hard to say one is better than the other. id say for stable the speedmod kernel is about the best on an i9000 port, for experimenting with overclock or undervolt i hear that the kernel with paragon is awesome.

now it is odd that you say you flashed a different version of 2.2 but cant get into recovery, was that in odin? can you get download without adb commands?