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[Droid X General] luigi90210:
link to the thread is in the OP and you can look for the fascinate ones, i remember reading about it back in november/december

but the apps include wireless tether, and i believe the other wireless tethers in the market

p3 is claiming much more than i am so dont even compare him to me and im just stating from my own experiences what i know and what i dont know

pretty much back in august(way before this BS started) i called verizon cause of some problem with my droid 1 and i asked about an update and the rep over the phone said that according to his computer he saw that i have already accepted the latest update and he didnt know if there is going to be another one to fix my problem

whether you believe it or not is your problem

OH and BTW i just tried wireless tether from the market(first time i have ever installed a tethering app) and attempted to tether my phone to my nook

i got the verizon wireless page telling me to sign up for tethering

oh and PS being able to see whether you accepted an update the carrier pushed out is not outrageous, microsoft does it with windows update(thats how they can tell you which update you need), who ever makes ubuntu does it with their updating software, heck even apple does it with their updating software

what makes verizon and any other carrier different?

they pushed the update, they should know who accepted it and who didnt
[Droid X General] Joeviocoe:
Like I said... the Tethering apps in the Market need to be 100% legal. So if you do not have a data tethering plan with your carrier, the App is designed to know. It is NOT the carrier that spotted you, it was the app, duh.

The ones NOT in the market, CANNOT BE DETECTED!

Swing and a miss. Did you not think I would check. The OP's link, and P3droid's original thread, DO NOT reference carriers blocking tethering! You are going purely from your own misguided experiences.

You are continuously being asked for proof of your wild claims... and have yet to come up with anything.

I agree.... THAT part is NOT outrageous. But it is also a moot point.

By default, rooted users running Stock software STILL GET THEIR UPDATES JUST FINE. So there is no point as using that as a method to detect rooted devices. The only thing the user will notice, is that they lose Super User and need to regain that.

For those running custom software:

There are a few custom ROMs out there that do NOT turn off FOTA. Most ROMs do turn off FOTA because it risks breaking the ROM features.

If Verizon, or any other carriers, decide to crack down.... it is TOO EASY for ROM devs or users to detect/know when a FOTAs is pushed, do a full backup, accept FOTA, then restore backup, then wait for the new version of ROM to include that update. The carrier sees that the update is installed, and will be none the wiser.
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
if they can not be detected than why do they bring you to the sign up for tethering page verizon has?

they didnt do this on 2.2.1 but suddenly when 2.3.3 is released the 3rd party tethering apps stopped working, now the 3g mobile hotspot still works(cause there is a bug according to alot of people on MDW) but im sure that will get fixed when this OTA is released

thats striaght from the post about this BS on MDW

please read the post before stating that i am making wild claims

i never said they were using this as a method to find rooters, P3 did, so STOP STUFFING WORDS DOWN MY THROAT

hell i even believe this is a horrible idea to catch rooters, one friend never accepted the 2.2 update for her droid 1 because she thought is was going to slow it down(until i told her that it wouldnt slow her phone down)

i dont believe they use this method to find rooters(hell i dont even believe they know we are rooted) and frankly i dont think they will ever find out unless they installed spyware on our phones that would report back everything about our phones(which is illegal)

OTA breaks root and on the droid x there is no custom recover so this method would be impossible to do unless root was suddenly found right when OTA was released(which in the droid X case with 2.3.3 all know rooting methods do NOT work)

so no root = no bootstrap recovery
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
if motorola applied their current bootloader solution to the NAND on every new motorola device i can see an unhackable/unrootable device

HTC has been doing that but their security isnt RSA/AES so people can crack it

and i dont know what you mean by hack the network

do you mean hackers hacking into their network database and stealing SSN and other personal information? or do you mean the little bs hack known to get free tethering?

i dont think they hire people for tethering illegally, and personally i think they will terminate your contract and charge you ETF for doing that but thats just what i think

oh and that whole apple lawsuit thing against jailbreakers, that only said it was legal for jailbreakers to do what they do

it doesnt say we have a god given right to hack our own devices so manufactures like apple, motorola, htc, LG , and samsung can still make their devices unhackable/near unhackable legally

and the whole car maker thing is a really bad example

sure car makers cant stop you but the law can and if you break the regulations that make the car "street legal" you can face jail time along with licence revocations and impound/modification fees
[Droid X General] tech_head:
The hole that was used to tether using both rooted and non-rooted apps was closed.

Some methods relied on an error when you turned 3G radio off then on again very quickly.

Anyway, use the 3G Hotspot patch which reprogams some very low parameters.

It works.
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
personally i think this is just one big hoax(well the part that carriers will punish you for rooting) but there are parts that make a lot of logical sense(like how carriers can see if you accept updates as explained in my posts on page 6) but frankly i think this is one big scare tactic to be honest

and i think you mean if p3droid was someone who worked for ATT trying to scare everyone, the OP is just a messenger, but according to p3's leak(im just referencing him im not claiming its fact or anything) all carriers in the US will be doing what he said, which would mean that he wouldnt be working for any carrier
[Droid X General] Joeviocoe:
... from http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...discussion/913-may-spell-death-android-6.html

So apparently I was right... the only Tethering app that Verizon is "tracking" and "shutting down" is some BS hack attempt of the Mobile Hotspot app by P3droid.

There are plenty of 3rd Party tethering apps that are not 1/2 assed, and that work just fine... without the knowledge of Verizon. Yes, I have a good one installed (but hardly ever use it ).

luigi90210,

Most of your knowledge seems to center around the Droid (Motorola). Yes, they are very locked down. My knowledge comes mostly from Nexus One and Thunderbolt (HTC)... open.

And the biggest reason why so many Motorola phones never get unlocked... is because HTC has so many alternative options... so many devs/hackers don't waste time with Motorola at all.

If HTC were to suddenly ONLY make phones with locked bootloaders... then the dev/hacking community would turn up the fire and start unlocking these bootloaders.
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
im glad you posted that, with that explanation it makes alot of sense why p3 would come out and say something like this and yes i have more experience with motorola phones because i mainly use motorola devices as my primary phones, i do however own an HTC incredible and although i like the device and the UI(sense > motoblur anyday) i just cant seem to use it as my daily driver i do however want a thunderbolt really bad so i might get me one of those while verizon still offers unlimited 4g data

but about HTC locking devices, the htc thunderbolt had a locked bootloader(although cracked within hours) and a few of the RUU leaks for the incredible 2/S also show signs to a locked bootloader(might be the same as the thunderbolt but it could also change) and with this current trend(started by motorola) i am pretty sure more manufactures will be following this style of locking down their phones
[Droid X General] cstrife999:
By OP I meant original poster. As in P3droid. The att thing was more of a joke. It would probably be sprint lol. No seriously though yea agreed it's a hoax.
[Droid X General] btucker2003:
Soooo to put my mind at ease, whats the end game here? If im running Ginger on the X which tethering app/method is the non tracked?

As of now I have p3's 3g hotspot, but in the past I have always used wifi tether, it didnt work after loading rooted ginger though? TIA
[Droid X General] cstrife999:
Honestly the tethering thing I would stop. ATT did actually force people into their tethering plan on iphones so that section may just be true. To be safe if I were you I would either buy a tethering package or stop.
[Droid X General] Joeviocoe:
There are a few experimental versions of android-wifi-tether you can download from the code.google.com website.

I have used it on Cyanogenmod 7 (gingerbread) Nexus One. And it worked for me. And no, since this program doesn't use any of the hacked/hijacked code from Mobile Hotspot (like P3's 3G Hotspot app).... it cannot be tracked.
[Droid X General] Joeviocoe:
For ethical reasons, yes, you should stop. Or at the very least, only use for emergencies. Certainly NOT massive data usage (torrents, etc).

With my thunderbolt, even without tethering, I can use a massive amount of data (especially using LTE)... so my need for tethering is VERY rare.

P.S. What happens to iPhone users cannot be compared to Android users.

Phone only data usage is climbing quickly.... so quickly that soon, carriers will no longer see tethering as a real threat. With all the video stream and torrenting apps that are now native to android.... there is less need to tether to get a lot of data.
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
well its not just for ethical reasons why people should stop tethering without a plan, its for legal reasons as well

if you dont have a tethering plan and your contract states that you cant tether without one than you are breaking contract law and there are legal punishments to doing this(like fines and other fees) besides the fact that you will get sent a big old ETF

just remember you signed a contract and you have to uphold that contract even if you dont like it until the contract expires
[Droid X General] DroidzFX:
Speed limits tell you how fast you can go but I'm sure you abide by those too. Some other guy says they can only track the default app and you believe him? Hey the earth is flat and pigs fly spread the word.

I will continue to root and tether when needed. I will let you know when they shut me down.
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
bad analogy

i follow the speed limits all the time

people once believe this in history you know until it was proven the earth wasnt flat be some scientist

so this isnt a good analogy as well
[Droid X General] faber78:
you a lawyer?

provide a link showing a single person whom has gotten an etf.

only thing i gotta do is live, die, and pay taxes....but thanks for your words of wisdom.

what else ya got?
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract

nuff said

oh and BTW i never said someone got an ETF
[Droid X General] cstrife999:
You don't have to pay taxes ask Wesley Snipes... lol... Fact is though if anyone gets caught tethering you are to blame. People who use over 5GB per month were the ones that got ATT to kill the unlimited plan and I think Verizon is going to follow. Using over 5GB a month on a cell phone is ludacris seriously. Use your home internet man.
[Droid X General] cstrife999:
It's a baby step. It doesn't matter what O.S. they use it sets a precendent and it does worry me a little. BTW I hate you now... I wish I lived in an LTE market. Soon enough. Those speeds on the Thunderbolt are insane...
[Droid X General] faber78:
i do tether, i dont use over 5g a month....but thanks for your thoughts
[Droid X General] faber78:
no, you didnt; you stated it in a know it for sure manner that the person you were referencing your comment to "will get a big ol etf"....i just asked you to site a reference to anyone in the whole wide world of Verizon that has had that happen to help support your statement.

but then we both know you cant.

oh good, wiki says you are right in a vague sort of way, cause when things go to court there is never more to anything then what wiki says....way to go.

you guys talk and talk but have nothing to support your statements.

you say things like you know them and then make assumptions (like that i use over 5g or tether)....and you dont know sh%#.

when/if something actually happens....then you'll have something to reference.
[Droid X General] cstrife999:
Then answer why you are tethering? What is your purpose for doing it? Perhaps it's something that I am missing. I assumed because most of these people are using torrents. I'm not saying I torrent at all, but from my home connection I use easily 80 or 90 GBs a month. Basically why are you tethering if you are using "little data." The reason why I use that term is because when it comes to a full computer 5GBs a month is nothing. Btw your tone is sarcastic and you are really coming off as a know-it-all. From what I've seen most of these kinds of people's entire existence is creating misery. So change your tone if you would please. There are ways to speak to people... You tend to choose a difficult tone.
[Droid X General] faber78:
sure. i tether because i enjoy the keyboard and the screen on my dell mini 9 more.

i basically get on and do the same as you do on your phone; facebook, talk forums.

the largest files i will do are uploads of themes i work on which tend to be aprx. 20mb. or less; even then for larger files i use my wifes home computer. im out in a work truck a lot (bridge inspector) so tethering on my little laptop works well.

in light of the fact that i dont do much except get on forums to b.s. (which i have cut back severely on after this drama from gb has caused that to be not much fun and created a bunch of "victims" and "know it alls."

if im typing on a forum it doesnt use much data, and is done much quicker with a real keyboard.

i have my own music, use pandora, dont like tv, let alone streaming or torrenting.

its my personal decision to not download massive files or overly abuse what im using....i chose not to judge others decisions with what they do with their stuff....that is their choice, not mine.
[Droid X General] rdeluis:
Please guys, stop cutting each other throats while mobile phone executives are laughing their butts off reading these posts.
[Droid X General] faber78:
^ very, very true story
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
than explain what they would do if they caught you?

give you a slap on the wrist?

im using logic to explain what they would do and frankly it makes sense

if you signed a contract with me saying you would do XY for $100/month and i said in order to do Z you have to pay me an extra $20/month and i later found out you have been doing XY&Z for $100/month for 8 months and because you decided to violate the contract i lost $160, so why would i keep you as a client

if i was the someone who handles this kind of stuff at any carrier i would shut off your phone, and send you a big old fat ETF along with the money you owe us for stealing service Z.

the wiki was just to explain what contract law is but if you want a more defined definition than you can look it up yourself(and frankly it does a fairly good job at explaining it to someone like you)

and you talk and talk but nothing important comes out of your mouth but you expect everyone to listen

no one cares why you tether, no one cares that you do tether, but if you ask if you should stop or not(which you didnt but someone else did) the the law abiding citizens who dont do stuff illegally will say you should stop

FACT: if you tether without a plan and your contract says you cant tether without a tethering plan than you ARE breaking the law(remember the contract you signed with verizon, you should read it sometime maybe you will learn something for once in your life) and you(like all other criminals) will be punished

and like cstrife999 said

you should change your tone to a more polite one

maybe someone will listen to what you have to say
[Droid X General] DroidzFX:
Dude your worse than my mom when I ten. Yes I eat cookies sometimes without having permission.

Quit worrying about what other people doing. Go address some more serious crimes like meth labs and murders.
[Droid X General] faber78:
and by the way man, seriously....youre making hard to even respond to you....your rambling crap is pathetic.
[Droid X General] Zudovex:
Wugfresh is an active member at droidxforums. Very helpfully dude that knows his stuff, he has come up with some cool stuff like wugport - a universal theme porter and wugfox- a version of Firefox for widows that's pretty cool.
[Droid X General] luigi90210:
cool story bro

oh and that thanks was a misclick
[Droid X General] taterDX:
so how does verizon know that the kb being used are coming from a rooted wireless tether app or an unrooted easytether app? just a question if verizon is so concerned w/the "unlimited" plans

sent from the DX
[Droid X General] cstrife999:
Alright then I suppose that makes sense. The main reason I made an assumption is because many users do abuse it. I can understand if you aren't able to use your home connection on the road. You may not be part of the problem, but the people who are using insane amounts of data are. Although broadband may be unlimited cell signals tend to screw up network stability if too many users hog. I apologize for accusing you as one of those users. I'm not in p3's favor. In fact I don't really believe any of it. Though I do agree in principal that the bandwidth hogs will one day kill unlimited packages.
[Droid X General] faber78:
its all good....
[Droid X General] mrkite38:
See what I did there? ;)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VeryCoolAlan:
Yes I can't

It keeps saying failed to send server response or something like that?

I have the modem that came with the rom and dint k ow why
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oka1:
just flash the latest trigger 2.9.2
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] naifs_br10:
im not able to send or receive MMS no matter what any cure for that i have the latest trigger 2.9.2 running but still wont work. so what to do ?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VeryCoolAlan:
Fixed!

Just download Handcent
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CGrove247:
Thanks for posting your fix
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
I put this in the other, forum, but just wanted to put it here so more people would see it.

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Rom gripper, and rom gripper ++ are taken off the market. The apps no longer work. Psx4 droid has also been taken off the market.

it looks like google is finally starting the war on emulation X{
[Atrix 4G General] jeremyritzmann:
Its not a war on emulation. Its a war on pirated games.
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
What's wrong with me playing Rockman on my nesoid? It's not like I can go out and buy an NES to play it with.

I am of the opinion that if nintendo put out high quality, official emulators, and charged like 10$ for them, I would buy them.

I don't like pirating games, I like playing classics.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
Yea lol they freak out when you don't pay to play a game that hasn't been on sale for 20 years but are to lazy to make anything so you can play it legally and they can make almost pure profit because they don't need to put any money into game design.
[Atrix 4G General] jeremyritzmann:
The point is that it is pirated. I can promise you, if some one contacted nintendo, asked permission to dev out emulators and digital.games, they would syrike a deal with them.whether or not you agree with, its still pirating games, we all do it to a point im sure, but rom gripper was a whole other realm.
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
they make One, it's called the wii virtual console :P
[Atrix 4G General] 90180360:
Actually it's coming to the 3DS as well!

Keeping my fingers crossed for Virtual Console on Android. This would be the greatest thing ever and also the only way to counter piracy.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Kritec:
I have spent the last 2 days reading and watching all the information so I can help my brother Root his My Touch 3G phone. I cant handle his crying and *****ing anymore about what horse.... his phone has become after T-Mobile pushed Froyo. Once comfortable enough I followed direction from unlockr.com and was able to create Gold card with my 16 Gig Kingston MicroSD.

I ran into couple of issues during, and I will list them here in case someone runs into same issues.

Problems:

1. I had 3 MicroSD cards 2Gig, 4Gig, and 8Gig all SanDisk. None of them worked. I would get as far as step when I need to flash the sappimg.zip but phone couldn't see it. When I decided to use my 16Gig Kingston card it worked the first time.

2. I had to create a new Gold card Img after I switched cards.

3. During the CID acquisition when I ran adb shell; cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:*/cid; it came back as error. I forgot to place my Micro SD card back into the phone.

4. Got error when flashing for wrong model number. Double, triple check the CID code as well as the Reverse CID code.

5. During the HEX Editing portion of the process when selecting Offset lines I failed to select line 00000170 as well. The best way to make sure how to do this is to select backwards from 00000170 - 00000000.

Back to my issue. I flashed the phone but instead of rebooting it is stuck on Vodafone red screen. I rebooted and went back into FastBoot:

My phone went to:

SAPPHIRE UNKNOWN 32A SHIP S-ON H

HBOOT-1.33.009 (SAPP31000)

CPLD-13

RADIO-3.22.20.17

From:

SAPPHIRE PVT 32 A

HBOOT-1.33.0013 (SAPP31000)

CPLD-13

RADIO-2.22.28.25

Is my phone bricked? Is there a way to reset and restart this process. I googled this issue but no one seems to have a definite solution for this issue.

v/r

Kritec
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DonJuan692006:
You flashed the wrong sappimg. Follow the "Old school" rooting guide in my signature and you'll be fine.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Kritec:
During my search, I started to think more and more that I did something wrong during the flash process. As you pointed it out, I flashed wrong sappimg.zip. However I might be in a bit of a tight spot. When I did this for my brother, I wiped my phone so I could use my 16 Gig Kingston MicroSD. Since then I have replaced that card back to my phone and restored my phone. I also wiped the Gold Card image that I had on it.... Inability to boot into the Android system to format the card would impair me from making a new one, wouldn't it? I can get into the fast-boot menu, and I did try to continue with the process, but my laptop is unable to "see" the phone.

Is there anything else I can do, or am I over thinking this?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Kritec:
Thank you

v/r

Kritec
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DonJuan692006:
If you've got Android on your HD2 you can use it to make the goldcard. Or any other phone running Android for that matter.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Kritec:
Thank you. My common sense made me think about that option, but as you can tell I am not as technically knowledgeable to follow my instincts. I am learning, and I do appreciate you taking time to share the knowledge.

v/r

Kritec
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Kritec:
It took a bit but the 8GB Kingston MicroSD card that my brother ordered is finally here:).I restarted the entire process as you suggested from the link that is in you signature. "The old school way":cool:. I remade the Gold card using my phone. His MyTouch 3G recognizes the sappimg.zip file with no issues. However once I use the trackball to update process gets stuck at first step:

[1] SYSTEM - Unzipping

[2] USERDATA

[3] BOOT

[4] BOOTLOADER

[5] RADIO_V2

[6] RECOVERY

[7] SPLASH1

Update is in progress...

Do not power off the device!

Any ideas?:confused:

v/r

Kritec