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[Xoom General] MartyLK:
Based on what I read in another thread about some bugs in HC, I've decided to either wait for a Google produced tablet with HC or stick with Apple and wait for an iPad with a higher res display. I know Google and Apple take good care of their customers with updates, support and bug fixes so it won't be a worry to me. The carriers and other manufacturers tend to be greedy and slight their customers. I won't take a chance on them.
[Xoom General] ChongoDroid:
The xoom is a google experience device. Its like the droid of tablets.

Sent from my Motorola Olympus
[Xoom General] Sistum Id:
What test blew the Xoom away?
[Xoom General] appelflap:
+ The Android OS is more friendly for everyday use. I owned a iPad, loved it, but when I got the Xoom, I realized that a tablet could be way better :) To say it simply, with honeycomb you have everything at hand with a simple touch, while on the iPad you have to browse through many screens to get things done. Huge difference if you want to use a tablet more productively and not for incidentally browsing, reading etc.

For example:

Picture this, I have four very active email accounts. I have a widget for each of them on my desktop. When I want to check my mail I just press home and I directly see the the new messages in each mailbox. On the iPad I first had to open the mail app and then I had to click on each of the different mailboxes to see the new messages. What a usability difference....

And this is just one example. I think Android tablets will definitely be a tough competition for the iPad. Didn't expect that till I did the switch myself. Lot of potential.
[Xoom General] checkbox111:
+1

The only comparison tests i've seen the xoom won! Unless of course you mean the hype/BS test on the iforum site.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
The synthetic benchmarks that anandtech ran that every Steve worshipper in the land uses as ipad 2 purchase validation.

It showed the tegra as sort of lacking in the graphics department. Personally, I didn't buy a xoom to play games, I have a PC and PS3 for that.
[Xoom General] austonja:
My 2 cents for you, I looked at the Xoom simply as something to use while 'someone' is on my laptop for hours at a time. My nice new Dell Win7 laptop cost a little more than a Xoom, and it does so much more, so I personally don't look at the Xoom as a "PC replacement". It's something I plan to use at home mostly. I bought the WiFi only one because I didn't want to be tied to Verizon for 2 years, because we really don't know how long Moto is going to put the effort into the Xoom. I don't want to potentially be paying Verizon a monthly fee for a lightly/none supported product in months 12-24 down the road.

The clamor about "Xoom has no apps" is total BS. Having 10,000 apps that make fart noises isn't something to tout. Not everything is perfect, but I'm the type that wants to personalize my device. I think Ipad has it's place as does the Xoom. People that bash either just have incomplete lives with nothing better to do. In my opinion, Ipad is more mainstream, it's what the 'unwashed masses' will flock to, because it has a consistent and simple interface, stability and requires the person to be less involved with 'setting things up'.

I'm not a 'media intensive' person...I could give 2 ****s how Youtube works on the Xoom. I have not tried the HDMI output yet, but in using 'TV' apps I'm happy that I have the option, if I take a trip where I have WiFi that I can stream music/video (I don't care that it's not in 1080p, I can live without it on even a 6 hour trip). I'm intelligent enough to read the postings here, to find apps that let me stream Dexter Season 5, which is NOT out on Netflix yet, so THAT was cool to me. I did try the NHL.com Gamecenter streaming of live games and it worked pretty good.

Also, I have an EVO through Sprint, so for $30 a month I can activate it's HotSpot feature and get unlimited data. So in my mind, if I really want to use it 'away from home' for whatever reason someone has I can also turn on/off the Hotspot feature whenever and they prorate the $30/mo to the day. So if I turn the feature on/off for 5 days in the month, it costs me $5 for that month. I could decide to be lazy too, and just leave it enabled all month, and I think that's a better deal than a 2 year contract w/ Verizon with a monthly data cap. Of course what I am doing requires 'effort' that so many people just don't want to put into things.

To me, I guess having the 3/4G options would be nice at times, but really, where outside of Home does a person really need to whip out their tablet? You going to take it to a movie or dinner, or to the ballgame? If so, why did you pay to attend something and then stick your face in your tablet? Or if you are on a bus/train, why don't you just stick a big "please rob me" sign on your back? If you are using it for 'work' chances are that you need to use it for more than a few minutes and likely for data intensive things, so your likely only going to be 'working' someplace with WiFi....if your company doesn't have WiFi (like mine) that's probably a sign that you employer doesn't want your WiFi device at work :)
[Xoom General] Sh8key:
@ austonja, well stated, now this was one of the best replies I have read in a while.
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
3d tests. but apple is vying for top mobile gaming platform so you can see why.
[Xoom General] singraham:
I think you are asking the wrong question. Of course the Xoom is not the BEST...but then NO product fulfills that criteria for me. The Xoom is excellent. I enjoy it greatly, and there are reasons I picked it over the other options which are still valid. I am satisfied with my choice, but it was a choice, and given slightly different thinking, I am sure I would have been happy with the iPad 2 or the other new Honeycomb tablets when they arrive. I personally think you would not regret a Xoom purchase...but that is just my opinion.
[Xoom General] xxraffyxx:
Xoom is decent, but its just the hardware. Before the end of the year I'm sure we will be seeing some great devices that will trump the xoom. Also 2012 I'm sure will be a very exciting year for tablets. Very excited to see what will happen

If now talking about Honeycomb, I believe from what I see is so far the best. Once it get its kinks worked out and we go through a few updates Honeycomb will be the best OS out there for tablets. Honeycomb>IOS>Palm(HP)>blackberry qnx
[Xoom General] MartyLK:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/...rmance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked

http://blog.laptopmag.com/ipad-2-graphics-performance-blows-away-motorola-xoom-original-ipad

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/982268-ipad-2-gpu-blows-away-other-tablet-gpus-including-the-xoom/

http://www.getlaptopreview.com/lapt...e-blows-away-motorola-xoom-original-ipad.html

http://www.tablets.com/uncategorized/the-ipad-2s-powervr-gpu-blows-away-competition/

http://techscrunch.com/tablets/ipad...hz-dual-core-cortex-a9-and-powervr-sgx543mp2/

http://phonegear.eu/ipad-2-graphics...way-ipad-1-and-tegra-2-powered-motorola-xoom/

http://appmasters.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/ipad-2-graphics-blow-away-all-other-tablets/

http://androidforums.com/general-ta...-2-these-14-example-have-changed-my-mind.html

http://www.toteo.com/tech-gadgets/2012-ipad-2-graphics-much-faster-than-ipad-1-motorola-xoom.html

http://osxdaily.com/2011/03/25/ipad-vs-ipad-2-graphics-performance/

http://felixonline.co.uk/preview/tech/1100/ipad-2-blows-away-rivals/

http://www.digitalninjastl.com/blog...d-2’s-graphics-the-infinity-blade-test-shows/

There are many more that came up in Google search but I got tired of listing them all.
[Xoom General] MartyLK:
Sorry about sounding hostile. It isn't meant. I have had a bad day already. Having been infracted for responding to hateful people and those very same people have not been infracted. When you are an innocent person who wants nothing more than to express views and allow others to express their views and you get accosted for it, it leaves you with a seriously jaded view of life and humanity. It makes a person hope there truly is something to the 2012 myth because I've had my fill of the hatred people love to spew.

As far as the iPad2 goes, I wouldn't buy one of those either. I don't like looking at highly visible pixels on a screen. The iPad2's 1024x768 res is just way too low for this day and time. I did love the display of the Xoom and was yearning for a Xoom...until I was reminded it would be supported by Motorola. But I did read a post that said Google would be updating the Xoom. If this is true...and I'm trying to get confirmation of this in another thread...I may yet acquire a Xoom. As I said, though, I won't get one through or locked to carriers. It would be the full-priced one with WiFi only.
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
when that happens i hope there are some games that make having that horsepower useful. as of right now i don't think there are any games on the android platform that would benefit. that would be as crappy as paying for 2 cpu cores but having apps only utilize one...:p
[Xoom General] Psychokitty:
The iPad is a finished product. It's a good one, too. (My wife has the iPad 1.)

The Xoom is not finished, and it approaches the new iPad already.

The iPad is never gonna suck, but it's pretty obvious the Xoom has the potential to kick it's ass. However, I have very little faith that Google, Motorola or Verizon will bring it to that point. We'll need to rely on the Android development community for that.

In my opinion, the only time a Xoom will ever be really great is when it's rooted and has a custom ROM installed.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
Are you for real? Go back and read all of your posts in this thread.

You posted that many links to show how people reported on the ONE benchmark? What does that have to do with anything? Not one of those sites re-ran or even confirmed the benchmark themselves, so it is relavent to point out that you could have and should have posted only one link.

You're trying to find fault for some reason in a product you don't own and then post it on the forum. You have to see why this might make me thing you're trolling for no reason.

If you don't like Motorola based on one forum post, that's fine. If you don't like the Xoom based on one test, that's fine. If you don't like it because you actually tried it and tested it for a long time, that's another story. Posting links we have all seen (weeks ago), doesn't help anyone on this forum or help anyone decide to/not to buy something that you don't even own.

Just how I feel about this whole thread.
[Xoom General] MartyLK:
That's the problem with Motorola products, the BIOS and bootloader are locked. The only time a custom ROM can be flashed is if it's based on an official Motorola ROM. That's one of my biggest concerns about Motorola. They hinder the XDA community from doing their magic on Motorola devices. If Google releases an updated Honeycomb ROM that deals with bugs and provides performance enhancement, the XDA community can't use it on Motorola devices until Motorola makes an official ROM out of it.
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
The Xoom is completely unlocked. Unlocked bootloader (with standard sdk tools you can unlock it), and there are no signature checks, at all. We can modify the xoom software however we want.

Learn your facts before you post.
[Xoom General] Adapt0r:
MartyLK:

You did not say what are you going to do with it. Without it comparing specs is pointless because each tablet is built on many engineering compromises. Manufacturers are trying to differentiate while keeping cost at affordable level.

I have Xoom and Samsung Galaxy Tab and like both.

Xoom is very well built and fast. I like high res screen and Honeycomb. Fast processor allows for running multiple widgets and apps without noticeable lags.

Yes, there are a few apps that tend to quit sometimes but it is temporarily.

I still like Galaxy Tab because of portability and voice phone capability, but Xoom is superior in terms of productivity.

I would not worry much about manufacturer support. I believe Google will straighten it out going forward. Most of phones received support through respective carriers and typically it was their least priority. Wifi Xoom tablet is suppose to get support directly from the manufacturer and eliminating middle man should accelerate update rate.

I had 3 iPhones and switched to Android because I can do more with it. For me Ipad is an oversized iPhone.

Surprisingly Xoom feels like a laptop because of high res screen and very productive multitasking. BTW, high res camera let you replace a scanner: take a picture, crop it and save it in jpg or pdf. You can even run through OCR and save text part. I find it very useful when writing a paper.

Technology is moving very fast, choose functionality that fits your needs not opinions of reviewers working for money.
[Xoom General] MartyLK:
I think mainly I would be gaming with it. I would surf the web and do pretty much anything I do with a smartphone...except more often on such a larger screen.

The screen is beautiful on the Xoom and the device feels excellent. But I did read of bugs in Honeycomb and until I have confirmation Google would be issuing ROM updates instead of Motorola, I won't bother with it. I just got out of a bad situation with WP7 and won't put myself in the same position of waiting endlessly for updates to come, but never coming.
[Xoom General] Adapt0r:
Look dear, if everything that was said was not convincing my advice get iPad - best of the best of the best with flawless tech support etc... and be happy.

This is just a tablet :-)
[Xoom General] Bauxite:
You probably need to quote what I said, pretty sure he has me on ignore and still thinks the xoom is locked down for some reason.
[Xoom General] MartyLK:
The problem is, nobody has confirmed whether or not Google will be doing all the ROM updating on the Xoom. Some poster said they would, but I have not recieved any confirmation of it.
[Xoom General] larkin vain:
I have and Ipad 1 and picked up an ipad 2 on release day. I returned the ipad 2 less than an hour after I picked it up. The camera was just awful and it didn't do anything more than my I pad 1.

I picked up the xoom and love it. I don't care of reviews or tests. I just have my persnal experience and the xoom was a a better experience for me. I suggest you buy one and if you don't like it return it.
[Xoom General] MartyLK:
Excellent common sense response! The user's experience is all that matters. The only thing keeping me from going with an iPad 2 is the low res screen. The only thing keeping me from going with a Xoom is, currently, not knowing who will be updating it. I don't trust Motorola. They're a huge corporate mentality and don't care about any problems the end-user might experience. If they get to an update, they get to it...but only because they want to.
[Xoom General] Eclair~:
This is because no one knows who is updating the device. It was once assumed that Google would be handling the Xoom personally, but at this point it is unknown who is in charge of the Xoom's OTA updates. Thats why no one has truly answered you. I'm sure if someone knew they would love to put you in your place~

I'm assuming it is Motorola. Google just isn't active enough when it comes to the Xoom. If you are unsure about purchasing the Xoom, just don't get it and wait. Wait for however long you need to. Buying any Android device and hoping for updates is always taking a gamble, and if you're left lonely you will have to rely on the community.
[Xoom General] squeeze:
Use the single inbox on ios to view all inboxes in a single view.

Sent from Thunderbolt
[Xoom General] socomdark:
Based off the previous update and me just using context clues i think the updates are through moto. I say this because when 3.0.1 was pushed moto tweeted it but i saw nothing from Google mobile or android developers twitter. Either way though you will be getting your updates faster than anyone else. Google makes the updates and i guess moto distributes them but since its pure honeycomb, there is nothing to modify. Despite moto's lack of support for the community they are actually good with their updates. What takes so long is that they have to add blur but i can tell you that they are getting updates faster than the galaxy s phones. As for it being locked down, this is a pure Google experience device so its unlocked and ready for rom devleopment once SD card is supported. so even if somehow you don't get updates first it's not problem because the dev community will take care of you like they always do. If you want polish get the ipad but if you want potential then the xoom is the way to go.
[Xoom General] twadejr:
I finally got mine and overall am excited about it. I think socomdark summed it up the best with "If you want polish get the ipad but if you want potential then the xoom is the way to go." I picked the Xoom over iPad mainly because, as a geeky type, I want the superior hardware and prefer Android as an OS. It seems solidly made (and heavier than I expected) and I think the Tegra 2 has a lot of potential. That said, I think the comments about Honeycomb lacking polish are true and aren't helping the perception of Android tablets as a quality item. I fully expect it to improve and know we have a great community (running CM7 on my Evo!) but it's still a little disappointing in it's current state.
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
I like it a lot more than I had expected. It's easy to get caught up in the negatives on this forum and forget about all the things that the XOOM does well.

One of my initial concerns had been the necessity for Honeycomb optimized apps. But this hasn't been a problem at all. Far more apps work on it than I expected, whether honeycomb optimized or not. In fact out of more than a dozen apps that I use regulary on other devices only a single one was unusable on the XOOM.

The only thorn in my side that stops the XOOM from being a pefect device for me is its horrendous support of h264 video. That bothers me a lot, and no amount of playing it down as unimportant by others in this forum has made me feel any better about it. I still find myself searching forums every day hoping someone has found a solution.

On the more positive side, re-encoded video, properly done, looks superb on the XOOM. Far better than it does on my Galaxy tab.
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
I have 6 Blu-Ray's (Monsters Inc., Percy Jackson, Avatar, Toy Story 3, Kung Fu Panda& MegaMind) and they all look Fantastic. I used DVDCatalysts 4 and re-encoded to Mpeg 4. I have even been complimented a few times by individuals who saw me watching a movie while out and about.
[Xoom General] willverduzco:
Everyone, stop the trolling. Now. Why do I feel like a babysitter in this sub-forum? The XOOM is a great device. It's not perfect, but nothing is. It may be perfect for YOU but it won't be for everyone. The same can be said for the iPad 2.

And for the record, MartyLK: you weren't the only one infracted.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] regalatre:
So I just noticed that with RC4 (clean install from the Stock image) that I can't change my volume through my BT buttons (Jabra Clipper), which has worked with past releases.

Has any one else run into this issue? I will most likely back up my current image and install a clean RC3 or pre-RC3 image to verify it, but I wanted to throw this out there in the event someone else might have the same issue.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Themes and Apps] cfultz:
I'm making a non Verizon rom for CDMA Milestones and need to remove the Verizon branding from Vending.apk. How would I accomplish this?

Thank You!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Themes and Apps] ZeroBarrier:
In the build.prop find:

ro.com.google.clientidbase=android-verizon

And change it to:

ro.com.google.clientidbase=android-google

If it does not exists, then append it to your build.prop at the bottom. After you flash the new ROM, the market will now have a "My Apps" (newer gingerbread style market) button or "Downloads" (older classic market) depending on the version of vending.apk.

Enjoy.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] zeppelinrox:
I'm not sure on which phones this will work.

Motorola Milestone is for certain. Probably other Motorolas as well.

If you have the file /system/bin/mot_boot_mode, then this

should

work just fine.

Edit

: Works on DroidX, Atrix, Bionic, Defy... (I guess it really does have a chance of working if you have mot_boot_mode :)

Do this at your own risk

What you need:

1. GScript Lite or Script Manager

2. Rooted Phone. For Milestoners, you can use Universal Androot (not in market ?)

3. Busybox Installer

You don't need to have a vulnerable recovery applied

.

Why you want it:

People on custom roms take it for granted that they can run custom scripts from the /system/etc/init.d folder.

Overclocking, tweaking memory settings, kernel tweaks, etc.

Those on Stock ROMS usually have to resort to 3rd party apps (eg. Milestone Overclock, Auto Memory Manager) that take up memory to do stuff that custom roms do automatically and easily -

with boot up scripts.

It's possible for Stock ROMS to get this ability via open recovery but most users may find it overwhelming and confusing as to where to even start.

I have also been working on GScripts to get my SuperCharging / Bulletproof Launcher tweaks to work on all phones without need of 3rd party software.

I found that the easiest way would be with a startup script placed in the /system/etc/init.d - the same way that custom roms do it.

Since alot of users would be uncomfortable with getting it working via open recovery, I converted the open recovery script to work in GScript!

Booya!

Instructions:

1. Extract the attached zip file into the root of your sdcard. The files should then be inside the folder /sdcard/gscript

................... 2. Run GScript Lite

................... 3. Press menu > Add script > Load file button

................... 4. Select "!Autostarts - Enable init.d on Stock ROMS.sh"

................... 5. Leave "Needs SU?" checked and press the Save button.

................... 6. It now shows up in the list of GScripts.

...................

Note:

GScript will save it

internally

within it's settings.

................... 7. Run the script by simply selecting it in GScript... and...

................... 8.

Get tweaking!

All thanks go to

those who put Androidian OpenRecovery together!

ie. Skrilax_CZ, Azhad and 89luca89!!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] sileshnair:
Good job, Joe. I'll test and let you know.

btw, the values that we discussed a few days back work better for me on stock. First 3 from your script and last 3 default values.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] zeppelinrox:
Cool beans :)
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] mcpterra:
Hi, good evening.

Excellent work... But I cant see

gscript-All_ROMS-SuperCharge+BulletProof_Pack_v4.zip

It isnt a link.

Thanks. Best regards

Marcos
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] sileshnair:
Hey Zep, will these work on 2.1 eclair? I am running 2.1 for a change. Had enough of the half cooked Froyo and GB roms.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] zeppelinrox:
I'm not sure.

Did you flash a custom eclair or stock?

I'd love to get it to work with stock eclair though.

If you have a 10overclock, where is it?

Actually, a good test is if you were able to overclock with AOR's froyo menu after running this gscript
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] sileshnair:
I am currently overclocked using milestone overclock app. There is no 10overclock file in /system/etc/init.d folder. I will try overclocking using AOR after loading modules.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] zeppelinrox:
In AOR, the eclair overclocking uses the /system/bin/boot_script folder as opposed to the usual /system/etc/init.d folder.

If I do a google search for "eclair /system/bin/boot_script" there aren't that many results.

If I do a google search for "eclair /system/etc/init.d" there are twice as many hits.

So this should work on stock eclair without vulnerability patch :D