yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Epic 4G General] mi7chy:
Picked up a Verizon Thunderbolt on release to complement the Sprint Epic. For comparison:

Sprint 4G WIMAX - No coverage at home. At work with good signal it's become slower as compared to when it was first rolled out and is now the speed of normal 3G. In other areas, the best I've gotten is 5Mb down/1Mb up with latency in triple digits.

Sprint 3G - Home and work slow like analog modem so it's not useful.

Verizon 4G LTE - Coverage both at work and home. Fast and no buffering when playing YouTube HD, Hulu HD, etc. Home PC tethered throughput is 10-12Mb down and 2-5Mb up with double digit latency ~75ms. At work I was getting 2MB/sec (not Mb) FTP throughput from ftp.freebsd.org. That's fast!

Verizon 3G - Haven't tested much since I'm on 4G pretty much all the time.

In conclusion, Sprint is a better value but if data is important to you like it is for me then Verizon is the clear choice. Low latency will open up doors to latency sensitive applications such as VOIP, gaming, etc. We'll see over time if Verizon can maintain the same level of service but I have high confidence that they will since their network and backhaul were over-engineered to handle the load.

Sprint ~$60 after corporate discount for 900 mins, any carrier to any carrier mobile-to-mobile, unlimited 4G/3G data (no cap and no throttling but can be slow), unlimited text

Verizon ~$60 after corporate discount for 450 mins, unlimited Verizon mobile to Verizon mobile, unlimited 3G/4G (no cap and no throttling), no texting but I use Google Voice for texting
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
incorrect. there is a 5gb cap or no?
[Epic 4G General] mi7chy:
To clarify, no cap for phone data usage if data plan is added with voice plan on device such as HTC Thunderbolt.

Hotspot is free for Thunderbolt until 5/14 but otherwise 2GB cap if using official $20 hotspot feature added to phone to tether PC. It's up in the air if Verizon will modify cap to accommodate for 4G after free hotspot trial period.

No cap if rooted and using Wireless Tether (ssshhh =).

5GB cap with 4G non-voice hotspot device such as the Samsung SCH-LC11 or if data plan only without voice plan on phone.
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
Let me see if I understand this correctly.

You give Verizon $20 more a month for tethering on top of the already high fees they charge, and they're going to cap you to 2 measly GB? That is just full of FAIL. Same with their data plan.

I hope your unofficial tethering works out for you.
[Epic 4G General] CJNYC:
Where are you located? Just trying to better understand your test. I'm in New York and considering making the switch when the Samsung Charge hits, supposedly this week. I was extremely frustrated when on vacation in Colorado and my Epic was basically a brick. Because Sprint's signal was only 1 bar, the phone wouldn't roam but barely functioned, and the battery drained in a heartbeat. Had to forward my calls to a Verizon Blackberry I had with me, which had full bars. This is not a new experience when traveling, and I travel a lot.
[Epic 4G General] mi7chy:
No doubt it's retarded and am glad their base data usage on phone has no cap to allow for unofficial tethering unlike AT&T. Official hotspot is free on Thunderbolt until 5/14 and Verizon may change the cap to accommodate for 4G since I'm not even using data that heavily and am at 3.4GB 14 days into my billing cycle. To confirm no cap with unofficial wireless tether will intentionally go over 5G while keeping an eye on data overage on my online account.
[Epic 4G General] mi7chy:
Live and work near John Wayne Airport in Irvine CA and have Verizon 4G coverage. Also venture near Commerce City in Los Angeles county and have 4G coverage. No 4G in Riverside county near 91 and 15 freeways when I was briefly there so check your coverage map. If cost is not a barrier you can do what I'm doing and have phones on two carriers, Sprint and Verizon. Use Google Voice number where incoming calls ring both phones and you answer the one that has reception. No single carrier is going to have perfect coverage everywhere.
[Epic 4G General] nerdtaco:
Verizon is too damn expensive, and they are ****ing draconian as ****.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
Although I admit verizon IS clearly faster (my friend has a droid x, we did some speed tests and it made the Epic seem like a snail), its more expensive and doesn't have te best phone selection. Id rather have a good, cheaper (in service) phone that made take like 5 seconds longer to load stuff than an expensive (in service) phone at blazing speeds

Sent from my Samsung Epic
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
What speed test would that be?
[Epic 4G General] D3luSi0n4L:
Articles speeds are stupid, I just launched SpeedTest and heres my results...

Epic 4G Connected to Los Angeles, CA

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1. Down - 4.49 Mbps / 1.25 Mbps

2. Down - 5.55 Mbps / 1.19 Mbps

3. Down - 6.22 Mbps / 1.16 Mbps

4. Down - 6.47 Mbps / 0.41 Mbps

5. Down - 5.46 Mbps / 0.95 Mbps

---------------------------------------

Average - Down - 5.63 Mbps / Up - 0.99 Mbps

PRL - 60675 / Signal Strength -100 - -106dBm

So as of now I am loving Sprint, I have nothing but great service with them, and 4G is strong. All of these are inside my house done right now. Its consistent throughout my whole house which is 2050 sqft so all I have to say is GO SPRINT! =D
[Epic 4G General] dever76:
bump
[Epic 4G General] epicmofos:
well you must live right under a tower then... i only get that when i am literally at the tower at my local park and firehouse. Otherwise i am lucky when i get about 1 bar of 4g. at home i get about 1-2mbps downloads
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
There is really no doubt Verizon LTE will be faster then Sprint's current wimax implementation...even though LTE is slightly less spectrum efficient. They deployed it in 20mhz of spectrum...so unless Verizon gets 2x people that sprint has to use 4G it will be faster, mostly considering the caps..

And there are mods to make it easy to turn off 4g..I think (was on xda front page but didnt read the details)
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Sprint beat everyone to the game with 4G! I get 1-2 bars 4G at my place and I get 7Mb down consistently. Once Leap Frog is fully implemented, it will put all other carriers to shame. Sprint has 8-900MHz, 1.8x-2.0xGHz, and 2.4x-2.6xGHz, which will all be used simultaneously in the future to provide unparalleled service. No one else has those 3 blocks of frequencies, and being able to utilize them all at once will be jaw-dropping. It may take another 18 months before we start seeing the difference, but it will be supa-fly-TNT.

Take a look at this thread... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12628802
[Epic 4G General] bondosho:
When I go to a 4g area here in Orange County, CA, I'm always between 6-9mbps.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Sprint is the only carrier without a cap and throttling. Verizon has a throttle at 5 GBs
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I took a four hour course on Sprint's WiMax and it had facts about Verizon's LTE too.

Slightly less is horribly wrong.

Sprint has 120 mhz of spectrum. Verizon has 22mhz and AT&T has 14mhz lol BIG difference.
[Epic 4G General] CJNYC:
Just curious, but how does this actually matter if Sprint can't find a way to deploy it to customers in a way that provides better service to its customers? I'm a Sprint customer, but I can't deny that Verizon has a far better network with better coverage in both dense population areas and rural areas, now with much higher data speeds. This argument about "one day you'll see the difference because of all this spectrum" is officially as old as the Nextel acquisition. Results matter and Sprint is behind right now. I'm always traveling with both a Sprint (personal) and Verizon (work issued) phone and the differences are night and day in terms of reliable coverage.
[Epic 4G General] dohturdima:
This. If it wasn't for Roam Control and SERO, VZW would have had my $ long ago.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
Agreed. I sent the members of my family who travel a lot (ie for their jobs) to Verizon even though I have and really like Sprint (because it's cheap and I don't travel much).

If not for my discount, I'd probably be on a different carrier. Especially now that Sprint has proven that it prefers to do things first rather than well.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
I thought sprint had 150mhz of spectrum in most markets...that said there is a difference between has and using..cause they aren't even using half of it...

And I said slightly less "spectrum efficiency" not amount of spectrum.

As for 4g in general..my biggest complaint about 4g on sprint is the LARGE packet loss...:/
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
Probably because FCC considers 2.4GHz to be 'Junk' frequencies and WiMax is 2.4xGHz-2.6xGHz. You can go to the FCC website and see what frequencies Clear has in your area. Most are the same throughout the country. Microwaves and WiFi clutter the air quite a bit. A microwave oven is an immensely powerful 2.4GHz transmitter. With all of them being made in china, I wouldn't doubt if the frequency is off enough to overlap WiMax. One of my buddy's has a microwave from hell, as soon as it turns on, WiFi ceases to exist. The waves aren't "supposed" to leave it.....but when they're only $25, it's not a guarantee.
[Epic 4G General] jdelano:
Hmm 4G is getting better ...

I had posted earlier that downstairs in my house I was unable to connect to 4G.

Well this has changed. I just figured I'd test again for giggles.

If I have my phone about 7" off my desk; I get 0-1 bar and 4G stays connected. If I put my phone down, 4G disconnects.

Talk about fickle. hehehe.

Images below showing my phone on a 7" glass and a screen capture showing 4G connected but idle, then phone down on the desk and a screen capture of 4G disconnected.

Some progress though
[Epic 4G General] CJNYC:
Nice. Sprint's new slogan - "Our coverage sucks vs Verizon, but at least with us you get a nice beer mug to help with reception!"
[Epic 4G General] omair2005:
interesting..
[Epic 4G General] jdelano:
+10000 rotflmao
[Epic 4G General] djbacon06:
weird man, I see you are in Lilburn. I am too and have 3 - 5 bars everywhere in my house (including basement). Not sure why you aren't getting reception:confused:
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I have 4G signal where I work and 3G can't even penetrate those walls. Sprint's 4G network works just as well as 3G at it's maximum speed (1.2 Mbps DL), at least in my area.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Okay, for everyone who doubts Sprint's 4G speeds will beat Verizon, give it one month. All I ask is one month.

When Verizon gets another LTE device out on the market...we will see where their data speeds go. Sprint will always been consistent, Verizon won't. Why do you think every hates Verizon's 3G data speeds? That are much worse then AT&T and that is saying something.
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
Sprint 3G and 4G is absolute JOKE in and around NYC. My 3G in Mahattan is usually .2 mbits during the day. Upload has been as blazing fast as 88 kbps during the day. 4G can go from 3 mbits to .5 mbits if you fart too loudly on a table. I can't wait to go back to Tmo or Vzw for some usable 3G.

Sent from my Epic P.O.S.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
Wait one month for what

Sent from Snarf with an Epic
[Epic 4G General] NoSoMo:
You mean there's only so much pie to go around?? A lot of people fail to understand that their user experience is based on people just like them trying to do the same thing. You can only have so many mouths feeding from one pot before the portions start getting rather small.

Networks like ATT & Verizon LIMIT their data for a reason. They probably say it's something like "We want to ensure a quality product for all customers" or some other nonsense which is basically, sure it's fast, just not if everyone wants to use it at the same time.

2GB of data limit per month? That'd be great if you wanted to look at 500 HQ photos, or perhaps half of an HD movie. They don't exactly advertise that you may be the first to start watching the first half of a HD flick, but that second half is going to cost you another $20.

If Verizon for instance gives one an 8Mb/s LTE speed, that's 60MB in a minute, or 3,600MB an hour. Since each month you're limited to just 2,000MB, you literally get just over 33 minutes of full utilization before they start charging you even more than just the overpriced plan.

Rather interesting to break it down that way. They don't even give you free nights and weekends.......you get a whole half hour of data @ speed....sign me up :rolleyes:

(I'm sure there is some other similarly ridiculous plan for the LTE service, but it's equally retarded I'm sure)
[Epic 4G General] noesilva:
I get a consistent 3-6 mb at work sometimes as high as 10 I have screenies but I need 7 more posts apparently.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
I know that microwaves knock out wifi, Ive heard.kinda funny when someone goes offline and comes back saying it was his roomy's microwave knocking them out lol...Ive also had my 2.4ghz phone knock me offline every phone call..till I threw it out...

All electronics in USA have to pass the FCC..if they interfere too much they won't pass...

Its nothing weird..I've noticed this since day 1...there was a spot where I have it flat and its 1 bar, turn it vertical 2 bars and double speed..its the positioning of the antenna...signals have more problems passing downstairs then say straight through..simply because the antennas are facing that way..so think of it like "surface area"..when your phone is vertical it gets more exposure..

the service has improved though...before there was only 4g in 2 areas of my house, then almost all my house and now all my house...which is why I am moving now to a place with no 4G signal(area still has 4g)..FML :(
[Epic 4G General] Ma$etas:
Epic only has the WiMax Chips no LTE in it
[Epic 4G General] omair2005:
These tests really don't do justice. I get close to 2mb in detroit during peak hours (12-5pm)..
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Actually i updated my prl manually to the 60677 prl and i actually did have 3g speeds when i was roaming, it was cool, but they reverted me back last night while i was sleeping. :(
[Epic 4G General] asenduk:
long time Sprint customer here and still love Sprint to death..

but i switched to Verizon for the Thunderbolt..

just couldnt get 4G with Sprint when im at work where im at most of the day everyday..

so far my speeds havent been capped..

already pushing 26GB of data in less than 2 weeks and still getting 20-40Mbps+

if they do start to cap then i will go back to Sprint..
[Epic 4G General] mrjuboy:
Seattle 4G speeds (vastly improved)

I have had my Epic since Dec '10 and was lucky to get 2.5-3 Mbps down and less than 1 Mbps up. *Using the FCC Mobile Broadband test app.

I am now consistently netting 5+ Mbps down and a tad over 1 Mbps up. And the 4G coverage is very good.

I have had no real gripes with the cost, tho I do pay to tether. I don't like doing it, but it's my only source of internet. I figure- $50/mo for DSL/Cable or $30 for tethering. Easy choice in my mind. No caps at all.

Sprint's customer service has been good. I've been with every carrier but Verizon- T-Mobile, AT&T(Cingular) and Sprint has bettered the previous carriers in levels of customer service.

I think LTE speeds are over-inflated at the moment...as there is NO ONE using it.
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
I was using 4G in NYC when NO ONE was using it and it still topped out at 10 mbits. I'd rather have something start out at 30-40 mbits and go down then start at 10 mbits and go down.
[Epic 4G General] asenduk:
Speeds are not issue for most people, its really the frequency..

WiMax and LTE actually have very similar speeds specs wise, but 2.5GHz is just sorry... Wimax was very good at first when the EVO came out, i was getting consistent 8-10Mbs, but now im happy just to get 3 or 4 Mbs.
[Epic 4G General] keith5039756827:
Whooooooooo cares!!!! Sprint is better service, end of thread.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
Where u located

Sent from Snarf with an Epic
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
May 15th will be when the caps and/or throttling go into affect for Verizon. The same date the free hotspot ends too.
[Epic 4G General] CJNYC:
Any proof? Thanks
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I can prove the hotspot, but not the cap or throttle. Seriously though, anyone with a bit of common sense knows that they are just looking to make their LTE look awesome for the first months to get everyone interested. Then bait and switch!
[Epic 4G General] Overstew:
I love you, but I gotta disagree.

The 4G technology doesn't have huge costs from using a ton of bandwidth like 3G does. (sprint stated this somewhere, which is why Sprint's Broadband card for 3G has a 5 GB limit and the 4G is unlimited.)

I can see Verizon capping 3G speeds, but I don't think 4G is the same this time around. Although I could be wrong since Sprint uses WiMaX and Verizon uses LTE.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
Please do so

Sent from Snarf high on SRF 1.02 till freezes are fixed
[Epic 4G General] b15love:
LOL of course Big Red will cap the LTE..maybe not now since they still have limited 4g coverage, but once it opens up to more devices and more locations, you can bet your ass they will. Why wouldnt they?
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=994093

It was discussed in full there
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Sprint has the spectrum and the bandwidth to support all 37 millions customers. Once Verizon has about a fourth of their customers running 4G, their spectrum will be maxed out with the combined usage of 3G and 4G. The only thing they have to hope for is that the 500 mhz of spectrum that the government is freeing up comes to them mostly. At least a 100 mhz of it.
[Epic 4G General] Seanzle:
You guys are funny
[Epic 4G General] mi7chy:
You guys were right about waiting a month to see how Verizon 4G LTE turns out. Not that impressed anymore. Recent speedtests:

download/upload/latency

Verizon

3G 1.69Mbps/0.85Mbps/109ms

4G 17.09Mbps/4.42Mbps/78ms

Sprint

3G 199Kbps/59Kbps/118ms

4G struggles to connect with 1 bar of signal then disconnects when I run speedtest
[Epic 4G General] slybarman:
LOL - only 17 Mbps down. Yeah, that sucks.
[HD2 Android NAND Development] microang:
Hi,

Just to let any devs who are not yet aware that the Desire S source code is now available on the htc developer website and to my knowledge from previous ROMs such as the Incredible S this is what is required to help fix the camera! I wish any dev who attempts to fix the camera libs using this the best of luck and I hope to see a Desire S based ROM fully working soon... :D

Source: http://developer.htc.com/

Thanks in Advance for your efforts. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adibis:
Says will release new ROM by 9-10th of this month.

http://twitter.com/#!/mdeejay_ru

No idea if the GPL issue has been resolved yet though :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sagarjawaress:
hope this news is true..twitter dnt work in china.

GREAT GREAT NEWS...waited for this for almost 3 months!!

HD2 forums were getting really very slow...so fingures crossed

MDJ...we missed you!!

thanx
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] PopzTopz:
what GPL issues?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adibis:
The reason all his threads have disappeared is because he did not release the source code for his ROMs as is mandatory with GPL license
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] XthelordinatorX:
DOH! have you been sleeping under a rock for the past months?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zukа:
not everyone's up with the latest xda-developers internal politics, buddy.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kailkti:
It's not xda, it's linux really that demands such.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ninjiafan:
If this news is true it would be great.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Pabliell:
I'm waiting for a big come-back :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] makomek:
Great news but is he still good after a long Bahama Vacation. Remember Mike Tyson out of boxing for awhile and when his back he got knock out by no name kid:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] SlyRder83:
Lol I wonder if he really is commin back
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] arobase:
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

come back :d

your welcome :)

"all guys who use your builds". :d
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sagarjawaress:
true or not?

OP says he will release build on apr 10-11th..is it really true??

i wonder these days there havent any builds of Dandiest and Rafpigna,i fear they too have banned due to fcking GPL
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adibis:
^^ He says so on twitter and he has disappeared since. I sure wish he is away for 'development' reason.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] anouarhozman:
Mdeejayyyy

It's a good newsss...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kaffee4Eck:
MDJ we all loved your roms and know i want to love the new one.

^^
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] iBustCh3rries:
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chevyrida:
Mdeejay

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] anouarhozman:
c'est sur mdeejay c'est l'un des meilleures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sagarjawaress:
its 9th April,hope we will get his ROM today or tomorrow(if the news is true)..

BTW,is there any confirmation of his comeback??
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] johnny88xxx:
look at his twitter account.

He's now cooking for the desire HD.

http://twitter.com/#!/mdeejay_ru
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sagarjawaress:
so he isnt cooking for HD2 anymore??

well that would be bad news for us:(

(sorry,twit is not working in fcking china)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] QuaQuaRaQuaQua:
Yup, seems like we lost him...

Sent from my Commodore 64 using my fingers...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ghostkid2010:
why would he come back to a section run by hypocrite?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hereignssupreme:
Now the only problem is whether I would go back to an Mdeejay ROM after experiencing the HyperDroidGBX phenomenon.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mdeejay:
I do not understand what GPL issue!?!? i always posted links to my kernel GIT in all my threads...

I'll never go back to HD2 section...

say "thanks" to moderator...

sorry
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lukesan:
Hey m-deejay if that is indeed the case then you where only blocked by 1 person.

We as a community should be able to vote who is right about the situation afyter hearing both parties or at least get another admin involved!

Consider the rest of the community still enjoying and appreciating your work!

You have been, and could still be a great contributor of making our beloved HD2 a super device.

There are still minor issues with the HD2 and we've all heard you've moved on to the Desire HD which is more or less the same device.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ghertgh:
Have you ever talked about this to a moderator?

We all would like to see you back at the HD2 section.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] AJ7677:
I agree, His work was great on the HD2...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sagarjawaress:
throw the source on the face of xxx and please come back to HD2...please sir..

your work made our HD2 the best handset...they were golden days when we were flashing your ROMs...(or i have to buy DHD)