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[EVO 4G General] slipshft:
Really? Did you pay for an "unlimited" data plan? If you did they are charging you twice for the same data if you tether. That is my problem with the whole pay for tethering thing, data is data no matter where the packet is going to. The carriers just want to make more money before they get regulated like the wireline side did.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Providing data to one phone and providing data to one phone to provide for 8 is an extra cost to providers. How many people here constantly let their tablets or iphone friends tether off their data? More data being used = more money

People need to understand "unlimited" costs more.

Drive your car with 3 400 pound people in it and tell me if your costs for gas don't rise.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Lmfao touchè
[EVO 4G General] slipshft:
Agreed, but really then they should be increasing to cost of the "unlimited" data plan, not charging you twice for the same packet of data (which is what they are doing).

For instance; the Atrix on AT&T requires a tethering plan if you purchase the laptop dock. Why? The laptop dock will do nothing without the phone plugged in, and the phone is not sharing it's wireless connection with the dock, it is the same data connection. So why the extra charge? Bilk the public while they can.
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
Yea, any time I tether, its only for my own personal use. I don't share the connection with anyone. Why should I be charged more money for tethering, when I already have an unlimited data plan? Who cares if I use that data on my phone or on my laptop. I don't see the difference.
[EVO 4G General] rafa2376:
We should protest!!
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
I don't buy the wireless tethering being the reason they don't want root. I mean, everyone but Sprint protects themselves with data caps right? I do believe it is part of the reason but not the only reason.

After reading up on apps like Sprints IQAgent, which is essentially spyware.. I think they value having apps like that to go along with their bloatware they can force on you to make every dollar they can. They also don't want you maximizing the potential of your phone with custom roms/kernels or unreleased versions of Android. They would much rather have you buy a phone every upgrade period to keep your butt locked into the contract.

I may be missing some, but, there is no reason not to allow people to tinker with their phones unless it is in some form keeping them from maximizing profit..
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Then you would be mad you're forced to pay more for the same usage when you can choose to pay more for more usage.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Rooting causes problems with partners.

That's the issue.

Netflix is not interested in having Android on unlockable devices because that leaves them vulnerable to porting to other devices, sharing, etc.

[Just one example]
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
Makes sense. I wonder how many companies out there feel like Netflix. I would think it has to be more than just them to justify alienating the hacker community.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Oh it is.

There are plenty of apps for iPhone that haven't been developed for Android for good reason.

It's far too easy to steal those apps and rooting and such makes it easy.

Is this a justifiable excuse for what they're wanting to do here?

No.

There are ways to protect apps from being copied and shared, fairly simple and successful ways actually.

But it's two fold:

1) You have groups that don't understand that.

2) You have groups that are so determined to lock down and control everything they can [At&t much?] that they're using it as an excuse.

The issue?

The public doesn't understand WHY they should care [no surprise here]
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
my.02: they should cap data usage at something like 5gb and offer more geebees at reasonable prices like they do with minutes. I have 3 evos on my plan and I don't think we've ever exceeded 5gb combined.

I tether when I need to which is rare but it can be a lifesaver, or at least a job saver :p

I use my root privileges far more often and in doing cause no liability or detriment to Sprint.

My wireless dream.. Google and Sprint merge and take the high road. I'd be surprised to see Google give up the open-source fight but who knows.
[EVO 4G General] ramiss:
Then the answer is to stop kidding everyone that we have unlimited plans. Carriers pay for the data they use and pass the cost to us.

However, the way they break it up right now is retarded. I would much rather they be honest and charge me for the data I use rather than how I use it.

They could easily find a limit that nobody would break unless they tethered and charge a small flat fee if we go over it, unfortunately logic is hard for carriers.

Unfortunately the carriers know that advertising the word "unlimited" gains them more customers, but the downside is us actually using it!

Sent from my device.
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
Well, I guess all we can do is hope Google doesn't take a nasty stand against root users. Then we will at least have the Google phones (one a year I think?)

That could be tricky tho. Google standing firm against locking phones, but, essentially every manufacturer wanting to lock them down. I can see that creating some fireworks.

I know there are some seriously intelligent developers out there, but, if manufacturers want to eliminate root.. maybe they won't be able to 100% do so... but it will be a big enough pain that the Android developer community will fade IMO.

I just wonder how many people will actually stop using locked phones .. I would guess not many.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Again, you have two options pay more monthly or more for tethering - your pick. No company is going to sit there and cater individually to individual usage with millions of users.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I would love for Google to stand up for us but I don't see it happening.

Google is, hands down, better than Apple anyday of the week.

But I think we give them too much credit.
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
Yea, I'm kinda undecided on the tethering thing. I can see both sides of the issue.

Ultimately, I lean towards "data unlimited to the device on the contract". When you start tethering your data to other devices , then I can see their side as well.

When your buddy who is on at&t brings his Ipad over and tethers off a sprint device, then he is essentially using Sprints network for free...

So I guess I agree with Sprint charging for the service.
[EVO 4G General] Ruki_Uki:
If they lock us up, I say we all just go on strike ;)
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
Well, being open and customizing my phone with themes/roms/kernels is the only reason why I am loyal to Android. With all that taken away and Android becomes locked devices with horrible battery/bloatware... then I may look elsewhere.

Regardless if it hurts battery/performance.. I don't want things running on my phone that I have no control over. Like IQAgent and whatever else companies use to "cater to personal needs".
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Because they're no longer the little guys like us. They used the developers here to grow and now they might lock down since they got what they needed. Hopefully that's not the case plus I don't believe what some random (respected of course) developers says about an entire industry

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] heathmcabee:
This would have been cool had you not been begging for Thanks. I do not look forward to more invasive intrusions of my personal life to actually figure out why they aren't getting their $30 a month from me tethering my phone. I already pay out the ass for 5 lines, and I bought this phone full price. Not sure I want to be told what I can or can't do with it.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
And this is the reason why prices keep going up. Do you think bandwidth is free?

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No, but I DO KNOW that it gets cheaper every day.
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
Appreciate everyones thoughts, no flaming=good thread to read finally
[EVO 4G General] Rydah:
:(

I think there on to us...

This is bulln****. All this lockdown non sense.
[EVO 4G General] p0rkguy:
Unfortunately there wont' be anyone to defend us when it comes down to it.

It's bad enough carriers are offering you bull**** for what you don't use and if you go over it, you get over priced like a *****.

Does everybody remember when texting charges were getting out of control? It was either you set yourself to unlimited or **** will happen. There were those that text and never got the add-on and companies would send spam texts just to get that additional change out of you.

What are the chances of the consumer giving a **** about less than $1? 5%. Chance of looking like a whiny ***** over $0.20? 100%.

Oh and here's 500 minutes, we know you won't go over it but if you do we're going to charge you extra so you better get the next optional plan that will suit your needs. The 1000 minutes for $30 more.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Not at the rate smartphones ar growing, maybe when it settles down some but them 5g will come out and this process will repeat.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] tomh1979:
I got the same text less then a half hour ago, hopefully I don't start getting charged for something that I don't even use.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Let's be honest here, if the carriers spent as much money as they should on their network [maybe not spending billions trying to convince us that they cover 15 more houses than the other companies, or not trying to draw a comparison with bed red gum] their networks would be fully capable of handling the increase.

With the explosion of computers in the home our internet bandwidth only went up.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Very true. It all depends what is going on on the industry, when the dust settles everything will lower again and cool off for a minute.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Yeah got that text earlier today as well. Didn't know what to make of it, 'cept it needed some deleting. Have gotten Sprint messages in the past, so not sure if it's just some bull**** or what.

On topic ... I do not like the idea of this one bit. Asking for thanks is about as low as you can get. :p

Kidding, but seriously ... if this is true, and playing along with the idea that Android has grown so much that they now start to lock it down and change the direction ... not sure I want to believe that it is headed down this road. Times change, just hoping that Android, as a whole, doesn't start doing me wrong.
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
Wordd 10 char
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Sentence.

10 char
[EVO 4G General] kd0axs:
It's just an advertisement. They just send out those texts trying to get people to sign up for the service.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G with Tapatalk
[EVO 4G General] tailsthecat3:
ugh...worst posts. never facts...
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Yeah, hadn't given it much thought until seeing that post ... can't recall what the older messages were even regarding (as I haven't seen one in a long minute) but either way, not too worried. :rolleyes:

Just that tethering bit caught my eye, what with all the talk going on these days. ****ing hell, all good things come to an end, this we know .... but I don't like it. And, yes, I know it's speculation at this point ... but makes me angry to think about. :mad:
[EVO 4G General] HipKat:
Doesn't all this go against the open source policy of Android???

Doesn't the manufacturer/provider go against the open source policy already by not making it possible to remove the garbage you don't want on the phone when you buy it, again, something the Supreme Court decided is something that the end user is allowed to do?
[EVO 4G General] DevilInPgh:
So, what's FUD and what isn't?
[EVO 4G General] k2buckley:
I don't really buy into all this stuff just yet. It's just someone's speculation. P3Droid mentioned in his original article that all smartphone manufacturers are going to be leaning towads locked bootloaders, and then he specifically mentioned that HTC is heading towards locked bootloaders, regarding the Tbolt. I just don't see what he's talking about, because it only took the devs less than 3 days to crack it, and provide full root with r/w access. All bootloaders come locked, its just that the motorolas are encrypted, and as long as HTC doesn't start encrypting their bootloaders, we won't have much to worry about, I don't think.

I just see a bunch of some dude's speculation put together in an article. My speculation is that there isn't a lot for us to worry about at this point in time.
[EVO 4G General] Mark_in_Tulsa:
Open source just means they openly give out the source to the software.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Of course that's been changing with Android.

Honeycomb's source may never be released and Google is starting to put restrictions on who can get the source.

I feel a bait and switch coming on.
[EVO 4G General] Pneuma1985:
Honeycomb will be released eventually to the public I read an article that said it was already released to developers that sign the licensing agreement and sourcecode has been leaked already from developers of tablets so yeah eventually we can expect the same for phones. People are willing to pay for a leaked version of the source code lol..As you can see everyone wants it bad.
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
Hi folks,

To use a sports analogy, think steroids. By the time they come up with a system, implement it, make it effective, the devs will be 2 steps ahead.

More importantly...

I'm not in favor of tethering 6 friends and screwing "the man" just cause, but if I'm paying for the data and want to use MY laptop with MY data (yes mine, I paid for it) dont double my ticket. Unlimited right? They forced unlimited on us at the beginning to hike our rates, then did us a "favor" when they couldn't handle the bandwidth by lowering the prices which restricted plans. If rooted users are the vast minority, lets see the numbers of how much damage is being done data wise. Are they walking that fine a line as far as bandwidth? Or are they greedy beyond comprehension? Either way, let the devs continue to be brilliant, rooted users enjoy new roms. Last I checked, nobody died ln this county over a cool splash screen and being original with their phones. Let the owners enjoy the product. We are the hand that feeds! WE ARE THE ONES THAT UPGRADE EVERY MONTH FOR THE NEWEST AND BEST. To the carriers, alienate us and enjoy customers that get new phones only when they turn to dust our they are a hand me down from one of us. Stay classy at$t, veri$on.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Really?

Hmmm, hows that Motorola encrypted bootloader going?
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Just like its always been. Work arounds have been made and those who were smart didn't buy a moto device

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
Yea, but I don't think you can use custom kernels on moto right?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I understand but his comment wasn't accurate.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
If you have limited data... you should be able to do what ever you want with it. What does it matter if you use 5 gb for just your phone, or 3 for phone and 2 for computer? Its all the same. But seeing as sprint is unlimited... i feel tethering without paying is definitely stealing. You are paying for unlimited use on your phone, not for internet for your house. I would be willing to bet, if everyone paid for tethering, we wouldn't have seen the 10 dollar increase for smart phones. I wouldn't care if sprint cuts of data if you tether... it increases speeds for everyone else. It would suck if you can't be rooted at all though... i don't want sprints crap on my phone, which was the whole reason i decided to root.
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
I agree. I care less about wireless tether.. I would much rather find a way to eliminate that than give up rooting my phone.
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
Maybe I don't understand your point, but when I get home I connect to my att wifi, even though my phone is sprint. It doesn't go through my computer but the signal is still from att. I'm not stealing, I pay $60/month for 18 mbps. What's the difference? I pay sprint nearly the same for phone. No one is complaining bout that.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Landline and cellphones are two different things. Cellphones were not meant to replace home internet, which a lot of people do.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
you realize if you read my post on the other pages, motorola locked the boot loader and if locked correctly, it's impossible to crack, takes too long with many supercomputers to do so, good luck with that one
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
Perfect chance for sprint to let their balls drop. Continue building 4G network. Condone tethering. Steal the internet from Verizon and at&t. Just another way to bring in more customers. More people would move to sprint just for their unlimited data through tethering with phones. Or using their mifi. This is an open window for a carrier to boom.

Sent from the Evo
[EVO 4G General] rafa2376:
So what should we do un-root our phones or keep them rooted?
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
Not meant to but do. Wimax has 40 mile line of sight transmission which was intended to replace land lines in rural areas. Replace tv cable etc... Cheaper than satellite dish hardware. Speeds surpass land lines without interference. Via copper, moisture, splitting signals...
[EVO 4G General] r916:
TO OP:

dude your like my local news station on facebook they want everyone to 'like' every damn post they make, why would we thank you when you didn't write the article? lol you just posted it, that's not thank worthy imo.
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
If they come out with a super computer that can do all that I'll buy their stock. Point taken, but that's part of ingenuity right? A race?
[EVO 4G General] Randy D:
By the way don't you disqualify yourself when you use the word impossible?
[EVO 4G General] LarryBoyG:
What about the whole point of being open source? The carriers think they're losing money, when in all reality... they're not. This is b.s.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
The funny thing about ALL these post/threads in the general section is that MOST of us have already seen or read this sh!t. I'm assuming most people use the PULSE app so every time I see a thread like this I've already read it. So I should thank you for posting something I've already looked at 0_o (thankx pulse you rock) lol
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
I <3 pulse
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
I never even heard of pulse. I'm always iffy on those kinds of apps if they run in the background chewing resources tho... I'll check it out and see how it is!
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
No the evo is open no worries, this is just speculation of what could happen
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
And how can you justify most...because you and others downloaded an app that tells you what I posted you can generalize and say 50.01% or more of people use that app and already read what I posted, c'mon now lol, be realistic, many have not read this
[EVO 4G General] r916:
I don't have that app and I read this a day or two ago..
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
I was just saying, we can't make generalizations
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Wow...posting an article that hasn't been discussed in a forum is now getting **** on at XDA?

Will the decline of this forum ever stop?
[EVO 4G General] teh roxxorz:
I'm not taking sides, but it seems to be that he's just saying he doesn't believe you should boldly asked to thanked for something that is openly fair game to people, such as people on phandroid, use the pulse app, ect.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
I said I'm ASSUMING most. That guy simply said you wanting thankx for putting up a simple link that you didn't write or have anything to do with but yet you're asking everyone to "thank" you. I didn't say it he did lol. I do agree though, what did you do to be thanked? You'd be surprised how many people use pulse if you think rooted users dont know of pulse youre a fool; but I'm not hating man I just laughed and said I see most these threads in pulse hours before people create threads. Not flaming, trolling, or creating drama. "THANK YOU" for posting this article for OTHERS to read...you happy?
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
Idk man, like I posted before, I liked the thread, the progress, because they're was no flaming, I thought I was helping others by pointing the ones didn't see the article yet the 49.99 percent of us ;), to see what could potentially happen, idk man it's sad
[EVO 4G General] r916:
it has been discussed, either on here or android central, i remember seeing it a bunch of times yesterday

He's just trying to get 'thanks' and a thread with a bunch of posts, typical post whore..
[EVO 4G General] Batman58:
Lol, you mean it wasn't always this way? I just accept that XDA is 90% pricks.

There are some cool people too tho.
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
ThTs all, I just want to feel on the inside that I'm not wasting my time returning here that's all as corny as it sounds
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I'm sure on the other side of the world they're discussing things too.

However, I'm talking about this forum.

Not another.

As far as his request for thanks...so what?

Ignore it, DONT "THANK" HIM, and move on with the conversation.
[EVO 4G General] :
A bit slightly off topic but...

I remember 2 weeks ago I went to my local Sprint store asking for the Evo dock, and was received by the manager of the store, we chatted a little bit, showed off the hdmi mirroring to him, and other couple things. Then I asked him, now that we're on the clear u knowing I am rooted, what's your position on rooting and warranties now that the courts said this is legal, from your point of view? And he told me yes u can do whatever you want with your phone, but any claims or warranties is voided because the contract is a non-alteration one, meaning rooting the phone will alter said contract thus negating any claims or things like that, and also leaving the door open for Sprint corporate to do whatever they want to my line, be it data-cap, even termination, WITHOUT INFORMING ME FIRST because I am rooted. Now let me make myself clear that I live in Puerto Rico where the laws are a bit different from a consumer-legal view than in the continental US, so ur local info may vary...

But if this was a forecasting of things to come, then things will definitely get very interesting, to say the least...

my 2 cents...
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Alright guys, now that we got foreign policy all figured out it's time to move on to some more important matters such as why in the hell anyone on XDA gives two ****s about someone else's "thanks" and what they do to get them. I want hypothesis from everyone by 21:00 hrs. You are dismissed.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
I saw this posted somewhere else one time, but I don't remember where, so I'm just gonna steal it:

Tethering fees make perfect sense. It's just like when your Internet Service Provider charges you extra for each computer in your house. Oh wait.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
accept your phone uses a whole lot less data then a laptop would. Oh thats right.
[EVO 4G General] androidsupra:
I got my evo off ebay, and I am not under contract with sprint or any other provider. they can kiss my ass. I'll take my money elsewhere if need be.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
To where?

Sprints the ONLY carrier with unlimited and unthrottled data...

So where ya going?
[EVO 4G General] androidsupra:
if they implement this garbage, I'll go where ever they dont.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
I hear cricket and boost do unlimited
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Boost is owned by Sprint and Cricket... I guess...

I mean if you want I'll set you up with Mattykinsx Wireless too. :rolleyes::p

Also, Cricket will throttle.