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[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Trust me I know.

Like I said I can actually make Verizon cheaper.

All I have to do is get the minimum minutes plan with no texting or data and no add ins whatsoever.

:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] cnstarz:
blah........
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
He wants to justify his usage versus everybody else that owns a cellphone.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Is that really Werxen?

LOL

sent from my
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Lol probably his brother

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Hah thought I saw you or someone say that. Funny. These kids.

sent from my
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
lol.. Damn people are comparing services that most dont even use like sprint navigation to try to legitimize their argument. How sad. I mean its definitely better saving that $7.99 a month than getting 4G you can use inside and suitable 3G speeds on a REGULAR basis I guess. *shrug* Detailed billing? LMAO
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Yea I had posted it somewhere else

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
It's not legitimizing anything, it's an apples to apples comparison. Almost all regular customers use Sprint navigation, they have no clue about anything else

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] SammyM00782:
How fast does it really need to go? Most of the data intesive sites we visit suck at bandwidth anyway. Take YouTube for example...how many times have you visited that from your home computer and it still sucks? My 4G around here tops out at around 10mbps down on CM7 and that's damn good enough for me. Yea, I've only had this thing activated for 3 days but I'm not gonna leave my awesome sprint plan because verizon can d/l at 20megs and I can bend over and pay for that too. I'm mad sprint forced me to buy a phone right away before I lost my upgrade but I'll get over it. My Hero was well over a year old, love the Evo.
[EVO 4G General] Bigjim1488:
They both suck how about that? But my sprint bill still makes me smile compared to a Verizon bill.....case closed
[EVO 4G General] King_tee:
You know some times its hard trying to explain things to people who just refuse understand. Anybody doesn't want to save money is an idiot and sometimes we have to accept their stupidity and just move on.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You know some times its hard trying to explain things to people who just refuse understand. Anybody doesn't want to have good service is an idiot and sometimes we have to accept their stupidity and just move on.

...

Sprint's 250-500kb/s 3G in NYC and inability to use WiMax inside of buildings/offices is killing me. Some people happen to not have a problem paying an extra $10-50 a month to get something that works better.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Well, let's be careful.

It IS true that cost is a huge component in things, but it's not all about saving money.

It's all about what you're getting versus what you need versus the competition.

The thing is that, for most people that live in populated areas, the actual advantage between Verizon and Sprint is so negligible [or completely non-existent] that it really comes down to... do I want to pay $180 a month or $350 a month?

And the truth is, while bandwidth is lovely, a webpage can only download so fast.

20mbit/s is great but if the phone can't load the page fast enough...and more likely...if the source isn't providing the page at those speeds... the difference between 12mbit/s and 20mbit/s is zero.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
I didn't include detailed billing, or nav with my earlier verizon price quote, and still came up to saving 70.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
The difference between downloading a 4 gig video off of my companies server while tethered would make it matter.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I doubt it.

I have a 16 mbit/s cable internet at home.

Do you know how many times I've downloaded a file at 2 megabytes a second or anywhere close?

Never.

And that includes torrentting.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Ahhh.. your comparing your internet downloads on probably overloaded servers to a dedicated unstressed work/storage server? Right.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No friend, I'm comparing what 99.998% of people that use mobile internet do with their phones....or for that matter...even their computer!

And I'm still willing to bet that if you try to download the video you speak of the difference between 12mbit/s and 20mbit/s is going to be virtually none.
[EVO 4G General] bryanx2k5:
Saw the title and knew it was an April fools joke.

Sent from my supersonic
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Here's some reinforcement to what has been said here.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/cellphone-usage.png

Only a third of smartphone users even download/use downloaded apps.

There's just no difference between 12mbit /s and 20mbit /s to 99.9998% of mobile data users.

3g can handle what most people do, in fact.
[EVO 4G General] crabjoe:
The tests weren't done with some app on the phone. The phones were used as hotspots and tests were run on other devices.

BTW, with the 4G on, they also found the Thunderbolt had better battery life then the Evo.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
No offence but, if anything, the apps are going to be under cutting the actual bandwidth...not over estimating it.

No kidding? :rolleyes:

Did you know that my new i5 core laptop gets better battery life than my old pentium 4 laptop?

Crazy enough too... a new LED TV uses less power than the first generation Plasma TV...

You have A LOT of factors that are going into this dude...including the fact that the Thunderbolts core is 50% smaller and much more efficient.
[EVO 4G General] crabjoe:
Your argument is BOGUS!! The reason it's bogus is because you're speculating that Verizon won't increase capacity as usage increases. It also proves that Sprint/Clearwire has NOT been increasing capacity, as more users started using their 4G service.

The thing that pisses me off the most about Sprint/Clearwire is when they talk about 4G speeds, they're always talking about how much spectrum they have and how they can and will be handle the increase demands as more users use their service. As we now know, Sprint/Clearwire isn't increasing squat!!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Bogus?

I suggest you do some serious reading and learn about how networks work.

While they WILL be increasing their networks capabilities as they expand the LTE network, what is going on now, the speeds that currently exist, are very likely going to be the best speeds you see until LTE advanced.

Your comment about Verizon is assumption.

As far as your WiMax comments, it's been bound by financial problems.
[EVO 4G General] Gelder_vw:
i have never used 4G cuz i live out in the sticks but i was looking to switch to Verizon until i found out i would be getting RIPPED OFF you pay $20 more/month for less services. i have always gotten what i wanted and needed with a smile and a thank you from sprint i have never been ripped off. my 3G connection is plenty fast for me. everyone else i know has Verizon and my connection is faster than theirs.
[EVO 4G General] crabjoe:
They might under cut bandwidth, but it's not going to under cut to the extremes you're seeing on just the EVO. We've also found that the Speedtest app isn't accurate on Verizon's LTE.

As for your eye rolling... I put the tidbit about the battery lasting longer on the Thunderbolt because so many users keep talking about how terrible the battery life is on the Thunderbolt compared to the EVO. Personally, I don't care if new tech is more efficient or not because I'm not talking about technology gains, I'm talking about a comparison of 2 specific products.

BTW, will a new 60 inch LED be more energy efficient then a 3 year old 20 inch LCD TV? I don't think so, even though one is NEW. Yes, I'm comparing 2 different products here, not different technologies.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Listen, you are NOT going to get HIGHER bandwidth counts from an app than what you're actually getting.

It's either completely accurate or it's LOWER than the actual amount.

The Thunderbolt HAD BETTER get better battery life than the Evo.

It's core is 45 nm while the Evo's is 65 nm.

That is almost a 50% reduction in size.

That is S-I-G-N-I-F-I-C-A-N-T.

And as to your question about the different TVs, first of all I said Plasma not LCD...but yes...it very well could even though it's a smaller size.

However, you're comparing two different things and two different sizes while I was not because it's not a fair comparison.

And we are comparing two different products AND two different technologies.
[EVO 4G General] cnstarz:
i'll just leave this here.
[EVO 4G General] crabjoe:
Of course my comment on VzW is an assumption, but your comparison is BOGUS! You're stating that VzW's LTE will slow down, as it has happened to Sprint/Clearwire's WiMax, when it hasn't been shown. But knowing how Verizon operates and the rate of their LTE expansion, I highly doubt anyone will see speeds drop like it's been happening on Sprint.

WiMax isn't having a financial issue, Clearwire is. WiMax is just a way to move data. And being that Sprint is the majority owner of Clearwire (54%) and keeps selling it as their 4G service, they need to make the investment to increase capacity/coverage instead of jerking us around! I'm tired of not being able to use Sprint/Clearwires WiMax in my office or most any buildings where I'm supposed to have coverage. I'm tired of the sub 2mb downloads on it and I'm tire of only averaging 200kb on Sprint's 3G lately.

If Sprint would just get their 3G speeds back to where they were this time last year (I was consistently getting 1mb+ then), I'd be happy since 4G kills my battery. But now.... I have to keep toggling between 3G/4G on Sprint and it's a PITA!

BTW, I read something today that side Sprint's Network Vision won't be finished for 3 to 5 years! Good Lord, does this mean Sprint's data speeds will only get worse till then?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Dude....THERE IS ONE DEVICE USING VERIZON'S LET RIGHT NOW.

PERIOD.

THAT'S ALL.

THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE USING LTE IS WHAT 250,000?

Clearwire's WIMAX has been up for about 3 years and has multiple devices...[NOT JUST SPRINT DEVICES] that use it.

It likely has MILLIONS of users.

/palm to forehead

Dude, THEY ARE EXPANDING WIMAX. Have you noticed?

They just turned on multiple cities.

Detroit has 4g, Kalamazoo now has it. I don't know where else as I don't spend my whole life following it.

Unfortunately the building penetration issue...which has been discussed here way more than it should have to be, has to do with the high frequency WIMAX is currently at.

Sprint is working on the 3g issue.

In Ann Arbor Michigan the speeds were as bad as they are where I'm at.

Constantly BELOW 100kb/s [Yeah so take your 200 k and shove it]

Now? Now its ****ing 2mbit / s and that's at 5 pm est.

As far as your claim about Sprint's network, haven't seen anything on it but I would submit two comments:

1) That likely includes upgrading to Wimax 2. [Which would blow your little LTE network out of the water]

2) At what point do you think these companies actually finish their network? NEVER.
[EVO 4G General] SnoopDawg:
/palm to forehead - You are assuming that more connections directly translates to congestion. I believe you are wrong you assumption that only 1 device, exists. Please check your references, you are assuming, please count the USB/Mifi devices. Maybe you count differently than I do.

in 2011 - VZW LTE cities in Mich.

Flint, Mich.*

Grand Rapids, Mich.

Lansing, Mich.

Saginaw-Bay City, Mich

I am going to have to disagree on your assumption of the 250k

/palm to forehead - Your assumption implies that clear provides all of Sprint's Wimax infrastructure, incorrect.

/palm to forehead - In the last 2 months, it was stated that Sprint will reconsider if it will do LTE, but I guess you didn't follow that.

/palm to forehead - It is obvious that you don't understand. Even if Sprint owns more spectrum than any other carrier, it is a higher. The higher the frequency the harder it is to penetrate buildings, but I guess you still don't get this?

/palm to forehead(this is starting to hurt) - This is another assumption. They are going to increase the number of towers, not tweak EVDO Rev A.

Is that fast? <insert random person's name> has boost mobile and it is faster than that.

1 - Where do you get this assumption from. When was the last time you talked with a Sprint rep that had a clue? Who said Sprint was going WiMax 2? Oh.. Another assumption.. - Of Sprint's 47 devices which includes (4 tablets), will be WiMax 2?

2 - only bright comment, however, Sprint did announce in December to spend 2.5B on network site consolidation and improvement.

http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19

I had a demo Epic for 2 months, I have had an EVO since last year, several kernels and several ROMS, I carried a Thunderbolt with my EVO for a week ( VZW demo units are limited to 1 week). The Epic/EVO aren't in the same class as the Thunderbolt. I constantly achieved 10 MB to 20 MB down, and between 20 MB to 40 MB up. This is coming from a Sprint Fanboy. I have been a die hard Sprint fanboy for a long time, but VZW the largest carrier, has been making some impressive moves in it looks like of the 4 carriers they have made the right moves.
[EVO 4G General] ItsLasher:
I get about 10M down and 8M up on Sprint and their no even fully here yet. Also as stated above come back when the LTE network has some more users on it.

ALSO these tests were using the phone as a wireless hotspot so the difference in speeds also can be blamed on the phones as well and not just the network.

Comparing a brand new phone to a year old phone is hardly a fair test with the updates done to tech over the past year.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Not...sure...what...LTE...cities...in....Michigan...has...to...do...with...this....

Also, my bad dude just a few days ago they started to finally sell their FIRST hotspot....

http://www.pcworld.com/article/223731/verizons_first_lte_hotspot_goes_on_sale.html

What was it 2 years ago that Sprint did that?

But hey, I'm sure that in just two days there are already millions of users like there are on Sprint's wimax.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It implies that? Really? Why?

Oooohh, that's cool, so is Clear...http://www.clearwire.com/company/featured-story

Not sure what your point is...they're still rolling out Wimax...

Wow... I said this.

You done making it obvious that you're just trying to pick a fight with me yet?

No, you're apparently not...

Okay?

I know you think you're clever with this "/palm to forehead" thing as you're mocking me, but really, it's just irritating.

And what does that have to do with the 3g issue?

The 3g issue is insanely slow speeds due to overcrowded towers, adding more towers would alleviate that issue, now wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

LMAO.

Is 2 mbit /s on 3g fast? YES, it is.

Beats out everyone else.

[But here's the part I'm laughing my ass off about]

You're aware that Boost mobile is owned by Sprint right and uses Sprint's towers...right?

You try to pull off this idea that you know what you are talking about don't even know that?

/palm to forehead yourself

Sheesh

1. Really? Because they are behind Wimax and an upgrade from 802.16e to 802.16m is A LOT cheaper than going from Wimax to LTE Advanced?

A little logic and common sense, friend.

As far as your comments about the LTE network from Verizon I'm just going to quote myself from earlier.

^^That quote really is not hard to understand yet so many of you seem to be struggling with it.

Networks with no users tend to work better than networks with many. Helllloooo

Well, as has been discussed before in this thread, it's known that the wireless hotspot can negatively affect bandwidth speeds.

[but let's not bring anymore facts into this thread, it might turn out that verizon isn't god and some people may kill themselves]
[EVO 4G General] magicalan:
I never use 4G even when i have it...its battery drain it would last what...an hour? lol for like 1 minute waiting time less..big difference PATIENCE people :D
[EVO 4G General] Rob the plumber:
380 kb/s download speed at 5:30 on a Sunday morning, 3G. It does not get better throughout the day. I'd test 4g, but it does not work in the suburbs of Detroit. It does work sometimes in a few areas downtown, and in the a ghetto where nobody even uses Sprint.

I'm holding out for a couple more months with Sprint to see if they roll out 4g officially here. If they do, I'm staying.

I want good internet speed, and I don't mind paying for it.
[EVO 4G General] SnoopDawg:
Let me start by saying I am not picking a fight but it obvious that your sources are based off of common sense and not accuracy. I am not disputing your common sense. I would normally agree with almost everyone of your points. But I don't believe that common sense without data can be an accurate conclusion.

Insert any of the Fallacies in Logic/reason for each of your point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

My information is based off of multiple Sprint and Verizon sources, there are plenty of assumptions on my behalf too.

Next, I am not a Verizon fan boy I am actually a sprint fan boy. I would love to see Sprint succeed. I believe they will do well, WiMax is implementation was last to be implemented in the states.

Even common sense would tell you if you are going to make a Nintendo DS phone with a 2008 processor, you probably don't want to hold a press conference. But common sense doesn't always make business decisions.

...since...you..only..listed..cities...in....Michigan.....

What was it 2 years ago that Sprint did that?

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But hey, I'm sure that in just two days there are already millions of users like there are on Sprint's wimax.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It implies that? Really? Why?

[/quote]

Oh you mean the USB device that I tested last year wasn't a Verzion LTE device? The same one that my peers and I achieved consistently over 10 MB up and down?

Oh... My bad dude. Your recent google searches must be more accurate than my personal experiences and Verizon's web site.. What was the ESPN Monday night award before the game? C'mon man?

Please add to your google search sprint lightsquared and sprint 2013.

Oh, you mean like Sprint Airrave device that I have at my house? Oh that is right.. That is overcrowded too.

Some would argue that HSPDA+ was 3G even though people claim it is a 4G since it can go a wee bit higher than EVDO Rev. A. But once again. I am assuming you know that.

that was the irony in the quote. :D

1. Really? Because they are behind Wimax and an upgrade from 802.16e to 802.16m is A LOT cheaper than going from Wimax to LTE Advanced?

A little logic and common sense, friend.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
VZW. Meh, even if they offer faster download speeds its still not worth being hosed as a customer with data caps, locked/booby trappe bootloaders, 2 year equipment upgrades, and being nickel and dimed to death with fees, surcharges and add-ons just to have the full.android experience.
[EVO 4G General] Papa Smurf151:
Agreed 10000000%. To the tards talking about dl speeds...who cares. R u dling a huge movie...they make computers for that. If no computer then the video can wait or u can deal with slower speeds. I myself have never had a problem with speed of downloads and I don't get 4g service where I'm at. Please see my earlier post as to why sprint way out weighs big red. It blows ur opinion and ur "factual" data out of the water. So go ahead post web site after site. I'm not gonna go to them. No reason to. U wanna post facts and data then post it in ur words not from google searches I'm not gonna divert to just to see what someone else's opinion or data is that u want to use instead of using ur own voice...

This is not directed at the quoted person above...its directed to the retards that he and I and many others r tired of hearing over and over again. Here's an idea...if its so much better than stfu go get Verizon and ***** on there phones forums about what a horrible mistake u made.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
I can download a sense ROM on 3g in less than 10 mins, and yea I download movies on my pc and watch them on my tv, I don't need sprint or VZW for that.
[EVO 4G General] LoveisPeace2012:
Why do people feel the need to argue If you riding Verizon that hard why not switch and be done with it go get those fast speeds that destroy your battery life more than wimax. I honestly am satisfied and don't believe Verizon is fair with pricing, hell even sprint ain't fair compared to places like Europe and other countries, but its United Corporations of America here that's what we really should be arguing about how we get raped on these stupid contracts
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Huh? The only time I mentioned a city in Michigan [because I'm from there] is when I was speaking about the fact that I KNOW Sprint is fixing the 3g issue.

Pay attention a little, sheesh.

Okay? Really...okay?

You TESTED IT last year...good for you... it hasn't been available for sale until a few days ago.

Is it really hard for you to understand that the Verizon LTE just doesn't have a significant user base yet and certainly nothing comparable to Sprint WiMax?

ESPECIALLY LAST YEAR. There was likely NO ONE ELSE using Verizon's LTE in your area last year!

My baby cousin understands this concept, why don't you?

Stop posting, you are absolutely embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge.

The Airrave uses YOUR OWN INTERNET CONNECTION for the data when your phone is connected to it.

In other words, it's a 3g wireless router.

The data is only going to be as fast as your internet connection can provide.

Sheesh.

I don't care what my Grandma calls technology because she doesn't know about technology.

:rolleyes:

You keep bringing this up when I already said this.

[continually proving that you're just here to argue with me...even when we agree]
[EVO 4G General] tornacl:
UNLIMITED

Im wondering if the OP realizes that Verizon LIMITS the amount of data and the speed at which you get it ....

Hey I Verizon customer ... yeah we got LTE ... it's real fast too, so buy your new phone and enjoy it.

-------SMALL PRINT BELOW --------

As a reminder for letting you buy a phone from us, we are going to limit your data and its speed.

No thanx Verizon .. I will wait out 4G from Sprint and enjoy my " all the data you can eat " plan for now ...
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Verizon is the all you can eat buffet, but only allowing you one trip to the buffet, oh yea and charging you extra for the spoon and fork. Napkins are extra too. At least the chair at the table is included...for now.
[EVO 4G General] whitesmoke:
poor sprint

sent from my slow evo
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Best analogy ever
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
Haha and att is just fast food at 5 star restaurant prices. And teens who just DGAF for customer service are running the place.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Right now Sprint is feeling like the cheap all you can eat buffet where everything is under cooked frozen food.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Nvm this is an old test from a while back
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
When was this testing done? Before or after Sprint's late 2010 EVDO meltdown that left major markets like NYC with dial up feeling speeds?

Edit: You changed your post as soon as I hit reply... I had no problem gloating about Sprint before HSPA. They used to be amazing. Even when HSPA cane out, 1.5-2 Mbps was not bad for the price.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I say that anyone that is so dissatisfied leave for Verizon.

And while you're at it, since these people are able to afford a luxury car payment price for their cell phone service, maybe you should be generous with all that money.

Plenty of people starving that can't even afford food much less cell phones, go help em out.