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[Nexus S General] doniqcc:
I'm my be a noob like you we're once but I'm almost ready building a rom and stop talking on the name of everybody you talking **** about cm and I'm bad for community stop holding other people's balls and speak for yourself you're looser taking **** personaly and calling me a noob everybody has been a noob at some point but you still haven't backed up what you said about cm stealing **** from sense and I'm a noob looser stop jumping on diff discussion and back up your ****. And you are good for community? Please next time don't cry when other people tell you that you need car battery to run sense ui.
[Nexus S General] :
I predicted we would get a guy like this;(

True there is nothing from sense in cm7 at all, but there is no need to attack the guy.

We need ROM diversity like other phones have, if its not forthcoming the NS will surely crash and burn:(

And before you retort with something quite offensive again, I actually love this phone;)

JD

Sent from my Google Black Neolithic Slab Of Wonderment S
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
Not only are you a noob but now you can't read? I said use, not steal...this is an open source operating system that is the purpose of it. To share idea's...

Nobody in their right mind can talk **** about Cyanogen and teamdouche for their work. They have done a lot for the community over the years, and should be commended for what they do. Not everyone wants an AOSP based rom, get it?

Nobody's crying about needing a car battery to run sense, it's just a ridiculous statement. I do something for the community I don't tell people what they should or shouldn't use. I hate sense, have I told anyone in this thread they are a moron cause they do? That is the difference.

I have answered everything you've asked it's not my fault if you can't or won't read.

Now I have to find out why after ignoring your posts it was still shown to me.

I'll narrow it down for you:

"In fact, if it wasn’t for the manufactures making their own UIs, a lot of features and apps would not exist today. I think a good example is Beautiful Widgets and the other apps like it. Every single one of these apps were based off of the HTC clock. If HTC had not made Sense UI for Android there is a chance that many of these apps would not exist, or at least not in their current form. LauncherPro Plus features an entire set of widgets that were requested because of HTC Sense. ADW Launcher is another example, in ADW EX there is an option to toggle backgrounds for icons. This is from Samsungs Touchwiz UI.

Even CyanogenMod has parts from these. The settings shortcuts on the notification bar were first seen in Samsungs Touchwiz on the Galaxy S. The bounceback effect also is something added thats featured on Sense and Touchwiz, but not in stock Android. Additionally Sense and Touchwiz has vastly superior camera apps and the CM team has included some of the features from them, or they’ve been ported to other devices." - that link I sent to you...
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
But I'm not anti development and have never said anything to imply this. The thread centered around Sense - I see no benefit from a sense port on this phone - you hate sense so we are in agreement. I'm all for genuine improvements and say to any potential devs "bring them on". Sorry mate but you got this call well and truly wrong - it is only Sense type enhancements I was talking about not development as a whole. Now do the decent thing and take back the iPhone comment as it hurts badly ;)
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
The thread is about sense and touchwiz being ported, each has it's merits whether the ui is ugly to me or not. Development is development, and I'll be happy to strike the comment from the record should you like development even if you don't like what's being developed.
[Nexus S General] 651stp:
Someone explain how this thread went from an april fools joke to a debate? o.o
[Nexus S General] :
The april fools joke thread was removed mate, this is supposed to be serious but has turned into a slanging match;/

JD
[Nexus S General] :
There may be no benifit to you, but there may be benifit for others, and why not port it for diversity, to give others that choice?

JD
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
If you read my previous posts you'll see that's exactly what I've been saying. Also if I was anti-development why would I have a so called developer's phone and be hanging around this forum?
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
Never said it shouldn't be done - just gave my opinion that it was of questionable benefit to me and my theories as to why dev support may be thinning out in general.
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
I hereby strike my statement from the record, but I leave my explanation of the iphone fanboi community infiltrating the Android communities. I think it answers your question, just not necessarily about you.
[Nexus S General] doniqcc:
Dude back up your **** again. You said cm7 taking ideas it's the same as stealing NOOB cuz sense it's not a open source.

Read your posts you looser and now you saying I never said that posting a article which doesn't prove **** that cm used **** from sense.
[Nexus S General] Vandam500:
To be honest I don't like Sense or Touchwhiz but why be against them being available for our devices? Android is all about choice and having a large diversity of ROMs available is a good thing, not a bad one. Now I know you guys probably hate me for the April Fools thread I made about the Desire S (Sense) port but that thing got over 3 thousand views!!!:eek: What does that mean? That people want/like diversity and I don't understand how some people can be against that.
[Nexus S General] 651stp:
Lol thats a classic line. Nice 1
[Nexus S General] :
Ok Phil:)

Glad to see a nice discussion without slagging off hey:)

JD

Sent from my Google Black Neolithic Slab Of Wonderment S
[Nexus S General] thebowers131:
10 chars..
[Nexus S General] OuncE718:
I was honestly one of the many who fell for the joke. Your statement is definitely true. If it has that many views in such a short time then its obvious that a good amount of people either love sense or just want to try something new. Most of us are used to flashing many different roms. Isn't that the beauty of open source? If you oppose or don't want to try either rom then why open this thread (this statement is not meant to you, but to the ones bashing).
[Nexus S General] :
Also you can try ROM's on other phones before you buy a different phone to see if you like it.

The biggest dicks in the world are the guys that say "if you want sense, buy a HTC phone" its like you automatically know "**** alert".

JD
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
Perhaps I should start a thread for an iOS ROM ;)
[Nexus S General] stavros86:
Its nice to have options for more roms, i think its one of the few phones that runs so smooth even with stock rom without problems and stable, we have overclock bln voodoo sound and colours and very high performance(thanks to the great kernels)so the hardware part of the phone is pretty much fully optimized (some gpu overclock maybe in the future).The only thing missing from this phone is some functions that we know they are there but we cant use them (fm radio, video codecs,tv out, 720p) and some nice options for completely diffrent looking roms like sense and touchwiz thats why i think we should encourage development of new ported roms and functions
[Nexus S General] :
The gremlins on this forum would hang you up by your balls, upside down;) lol

JD
[Nexus S General] sickzz:
It's very simple: I would flash a sense Port. ;)
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
Obviously in jest but in the spirit of choice why not? Wouldn't it run fast!
[Nexus S General] OuncE718:
I hate it when they say that. Android is open source so having different roms other than GB isn't a bad thing.
[Nexus S General] :
Yep,

On the N1 forums they would be laughed off and excommunicated;) I remember the first post i made on the general section on the NS boards and it was hoping for a Sense and TW port, straight away i was attacked.. Some dude "nxt" gave the auto **** comment and said "why have you got a Nexus S if you want sense" i could not believe it. We have a phone that is so open so we can put other ROM's and stuff on it. I really feel sorry for you guys because you have not tasted a good forum with a good dev section yet.

This Nexus S forum is full of useless people spouting what is right and what is wrong instead of helping the community progress, even if sense or tw isnt their cup of tea, they should be positive as its the community moving forward.

To be honest i dont really like TW all that much, but i would love to try it free of charge and give cred to the dudes that ported it

I wished the N1 community all bought a Nexus S, it would filter out the fail people we have around now...

JD
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
I would be lying to say i wouldn't try a sense ROM if we get it. It's just that although I loved Sense on my Hero I said goodbye to it in order to update to 2.2 and found (as correctly stated here) that many elements were actually available to make Vanilla more Sense-like. I actually found I prefered this modular way of doing things based on vanilla and hence why I got the NS. It was nothing against sense as such. It surprised me once I was here to see people wanting to have Sense on the NS - there is nothing wrong with this, just my wrong assumption as to what people wanted to do with this phone. I agree that the strength of Android is customisation so the more choice the better.
[Nexus S General] knytphal:
Don't they already have that? It's called MIUI. :D

::ducks and runs::

In all seriousness....choice is a good thing. Be that in hardware or software. Myself (obviously..) I picked up the NS the morning it was released. I didn't really care that there was or was not good developer support - I knew that really all I was after was stock Android straight from the source, complete with timely updates. Of course in the interim I have done what most of us here have done - unlocked and flashed a few roms to check them out and find what I like. What have I found that I like, that would just be regular old stock (with ADW Ex, of course).

Would I try an HTC Sense port? I can't say that I would, but it wouldn't bother me that it was made available. Would I try a TouchWiz port? Well, prior to playing around with my wife's Vibrant 4G I would most likely say no as well, but I think I'd give it a shot now. Will it break my heart if it's not ported, of course not.

I still look at things about the same way as I did from day zero. I wanted the NS because it'll darn near be guaranteed to get updates for the foreseeable future from google. That's what mattered to me.
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
I tried MIUI at the weekend - it stayed on my phone for 15 minutes! Each to their own I suppose.
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
I had a HTC Hero a while, and i like HTC Sense in a way, its nice to have when it doesn't lag.

But if we have enough developers and demand for someone to make it is another good question.

And why the sudden fight?

You people sound mad

:rolleyes:
[Nexus S General] :
Sense on the Hero is rubbish

Sense on the Desire HD is excellent;)

JD
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
The only thing I miss from Sense is the contacts and facebook integration. Everything else I have the bases covered.
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
I disagree, on the Desire HD the whole screen ghosts, and the phone is so bulky.

I had a much better experience on the Hero.

Desire HD is rubbish
[Nexus S General] :
Now your talking about hardware....

Im talking about the software....

SENSE on the Hero is rubbish

SENSE on the Desire HD is Amazing;)

JD
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
Sense on Desire HD is not a good experience, and that does not make it Amazing.

On the Hero it felt like it was made for it, rather than just slapped on some oversized phone
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
Way back in August 2009 laggy Sense on the Hero was the best thing since sliced bread to me :)
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
Indeed, it was.

But if it had the Nexus S hardware and a super amoled screen with a high resolution, it would still be kicking ass
[Nexus S General] phillevy:
Excuse my ignorance in these matters but is there no way of extracting Sense as an update .zip or apk rather than a whole ROM as other launchers are installed this way?
[Nexus S General] :
No mate;(

Sense is actually melded into the framework, its why its such a bastard to port;( TW is just an apk, and you can install it, but you do not get the widgets, which is the main reason for running tw. You also dont get the codecs;(

JD
[Nexus S General] suhas_sm:
Quite interesting. Before having NS, I used to have HTC touch diamond. During those days I actually used to be infatuated with Sense and being HTC fan in those days i used to dream Sense UI in my next phone but it turned out to be NS :)

Would love to try it atleast for some days :(
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
Of course you can, but it won't work.

It is however possible to do, but it will require time.

I might try myself :P
[Nexus S General] patrixl:
Nexus S is out in Korea now, and lots of ads on billboards and TV. Lots of Androids around there... hopefully that'll bring some more developers along, who can work with their other Samsung phones and try to port stuff.
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
Touchwiz is more than just a launcher, and widgets. It comes with a collection of apps that use their framework components. Touchwiz has another framework component like cm7 has framework and systemui, touchwiz roms have framework and twframework.
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
Are you saying that I can install twframework, and then install all of their programs and it will run?
[Nexus S General] Vandam500:
No definitely not! He is saying just TouchWhiz the launcher, not the framework.
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
I found the thread about the launcher again.
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
You are welcome to try.

Download root explorer and find your way to the framework folder.

It won't work: 100%.

Belive me i've tried much around there :|
[Nexus S General] xanos01:
I hope we get some nice sense roms just to switch things up I like both stock and sense and willing to flash any new cool roms
[Nexus S General] epsix:
Sorry, there's no way, no how.. you can get Sense UI on LG or Samsung or any other models except HTC phones due to its close source. It's just like you can't port TouchWiz to other models. I know that sux balls and I hated too, i mean isn't android = open source software? You guys should know this before you buy the phones. Save up, and get HTC Evo 3D GSM version, or HTC Pyramid that way if you don't like Sense UI you can wipe and install CM7 or other AOSP roms. But if you buy any other manufacturers you cannot get Sense ui. I know there's alot of good dev in Nexus S, but it's just not possible to port Sense unless someone like Cyanogen hack it.
[Nexus S General] :
At least we have hope for Gingerbread TW then...

Sent via my Google Devless Phone...
[Nexus S General] epsix:
Look at it this way, you guys will have all the latest updates from Google 's :) :-)

I was about to buy LGX2 because I want to test tegra 2 chipset with dual core, dual channel from Lg early. But I'm a suckers for Sense UI, so i have to wait for 2 more months.
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
Having the latest updates isn't impressive. I'll be trying to sell my Nexus and Vibrant and maybe even MT3G so I can get a Galaxy S 2.
[Nexus S General] epsix:
Yes, everyone is entitled to their liking Samsung S 2 with super duper armoled lcd, :) but I like Evo 3D GSM version Slcd is good enough for me with Sense.
[Nexus S General] wuyanks:
sorry, but once you go Super Amoled, you never go back... i can't wait to see the super amoled plus in person....
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
I feel pretty much the same after gaining your approval for me being entitled to have an opinion. It's not my fault that sense doesn't look good enough to be on a phone with a good screen.
[Nexus S General] epsix:
You're just bias to htc that's all, stick to the topic. It's about people wanting Sense UI and choices.
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
I'm going to give porting it a try. I haven't done a lot of rom building on Android besides building from source for my old G1, but I have a general idea of what I need to do.

Hopefully in a week I'll have something to show for it.
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
I don't know why you think your all high and mighty but I don't need your approval for anything and I don't have to do what you tell me to.

Porting of what exactly?
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
Actually, they just have to port it from the other HTC devices.

Incredible S could be a good start.

And why would you want the HTC Evo 3D?

Its a piece of ****.

You don't need to hack anything at all, do you know what hacking means at all?

And Cyanogen are doing only doing AOSP
[Nexus S General] :
Wow,

Good Luck mate, we are all rooting for you, and will donate handsomely if you can produce anything...

even if its 2.2;)

JD
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
A 2.3 desire s rom. I think there is a leaked version. I'm going to merge it with libs and such from one of our aosp roms.

Don't expect it to be fully working as sense ports generally never are.
[Nexus S General] :
There is an actual offical Desire S rom that has been released;) So looking forward to the results mate;))))

I think we could have the beginnings of something special here;)

JD;)
[Nexus S General] :
Updated OP

JD
[Nexus S General] Vandam500:
Sounds good!
[Nexus S General] prittyboy203:
Just a quick question I had the HTC g2 and the Dev had gotten a desire s official rom and ported it with everything working. Is there any chance he could look at that rom and see what was changed and use some scripts or file from there to add on his build that he is using or trying to make now. I now it might be a silly question but was just wondering it could be a guided or just a reference to what it should look like but with the hardware and drivers we need?
[Nexus S General] prittyboy203:
And I'm down to be a beta tester if your looking and can make sure everything is working and post or pm you the results for you anytime good luck my friend :v)
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
I'm also actively communicating with one of the people who helped port it to Samsung Galaxy S devices, and while he can't help a lot since he doesn't own a Nexus S, he has been able to give me some advice and hopefully it turns out well.
[Nexus S General] Amritttt:
I m in for testing :D
[Nexus S General] Zehlek:
I am so up for testing :-)
[Nexus S General] :
Mate we are here to back you up in any way possible, just say the word;)

We will beta test, or test anything you have really;)

I beta tested the early 2.2 roms on the desire and also built themes for the N1 CM6, as for ROM building i would not know where to start as im a network engineer, but im willing to try anything you cook up mate;)

JD
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
I need someone to investigate and figure out what some lib and binary files are in system/lib system/bin on the nexus s rom. Need to know what needs to stay and what can go.
[Nexus S General] :
So you would need a samsung specialist for that, the only guy that comes to mind would be Supercurio or maybe one of the kernel devs such as Netarchy. Im sure they will be happy to help..

Also eViL from the N1 and g2 sections may be able to help bro;)

JD
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
I was thinking it wouldn't be too hard to use Google to do it. But ill send a message to supercurio and ask him for help.

Thanks.
[Nexus S General] :
If you have no success with SC it might be best to work on trial and error, but i understand the time consuming aspect of that, i really hope SC can help you;)

JD
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
That was my plan c lol. Plan a is SC, plan b is Google.
[Nexus S General] :
Lol, yep I can definitely empathize with that;)

JD

Sent via my Google Devless Phone...
[Nexus S General] stavros86:
At last things go better with the ports!my nexus s is ready for testing :D
[Nexus S General] Zehlek:
As is mine. My NS is test ready :-D
[Nexus S General] xanos01:
Thanks for clarifying dude I was about to say the same remember the mytouch slide touchwiz was ported to that and motorblur was ported to the g1 too so why can't sense be ported to the nexus s .
[Nexus S General] epsix:
Of course I know Cyanogen only work on AOSP only he doesn't like Sense UI, what meant to say you need some one who's good as Cyanogen is to do this. Look guys, I want everyone in android community to have what ever you want. I wish you NS all the best.
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
To give everyone a little more hope... while I was talking with one of the sgs sense developers he told me he looked through the nexus s dump and said a sense port is very much possible.
[Nexus S General] :
Awesome! That's good news.

-I wrangled together some consonants and vowels and created this post-
[Nexus S General] :
Well done mate, your a legend in the making;)

JD

Sent via my Google Devless Phone...
[Nexus S General] prittyboy203:
Great new can't wait for that test rom to be flash on this baby :^)
[Nexus S General] dario3040:
Its possible, but will someone actually do it?
[Nexus S General] :
This quote fills me with absolute delight because they gave up on the sgs port due to it being near on impossible, but too have one of them guys now say its possible for us is amazing and really exciting;)

Sense on Super AMOLED. ooooooooh

JD;)
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
We will see but I have got work to do. Don't lose hope.
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
An update: I think I figured out the libs and bins I need to use. When in doubt logcat should do wonders. The last part is figuring out what to do with the kernel. I may end up getting in contact with supercurio or netarchy on this one. I'm going to try going from theory to practice tomorrow.
[Nexus S General] prittyboy203:
Great job my friend looks better an more progress is being made. I'm smiling so hard my face might get stuck this way :-) I know the kernel is very important but can you try and slide one of the already made kernels in and then make one of your Owen after seeing that if it works or not. or its just a bunch of the new files from HTC that's messing around with being able to just slap that babe on?
[Nexus S General] :
Great News Matey;)

JD
[Nexus S General] stavros86:
Waiting for more news when you try the practice part :cool:
[Nexus S General] Zehlek:
Can't wait
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
Still nobody working on touchwiz...sad.
[Nexus S General] prittyboy203:
Start a thread like this one about touchwiz and see what happens just a idea
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
Read the thread title again.
[Nexus S General] prittyboy203:
But there getting sense with touchwiz together ? or a plain old touchwiz rom with something to make it stand out like a rom with sense II on top. But I say to make just one with the title touchwiz rom make a wish lol thread.
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
I'm going to use a stock kernel I think for now I just have to make some changes to it first.

Eventually I will probably use a netarchy kernel.

Btw this rom may end up being 2.3.2, but I'm shooting for 2.3.3 if possible.
[Nexus S General] prittyboy203:
Yessssss sounds fine ether way ;^] what a change my friend you may just be the best dev I have see with the drive to make s**t happen since I had got this phone lol. Don't get me wrong at all I know even getting root and I appreciate what we have to work with know but I do miss the sense style of theme.
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
To be honest I learn a lot as I go... Just tear things apart and before long you'll have something neat. I encourage everyone on this forum who wants touchwiz or whatever kind of port, investigate it, talk to people, mess around, and have fun.
[Nexus S General] :
TW will happen eventually, but without a doubt Sense is the golden chalice;)

JD

Sent via my Google Devless Phone...
[Nexus S General] j0hnZ:
More like worst case scenario. Yay development, to bad it's sense though.
[Nexus S General] Zehlek:
I loved using Sense on my Nexus One. I hope this gets ported soon.