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[Thunderbolt General] madman34:
Afew more answer to confuse you all ;-)

My TBolt SIM does in fact run perfectly in my 4G air card and as the ESN actually moves with the SIM also (yea thats right beleive it or not it does) the network has no idea that it is not a TBolt. The only reason this is allowed to pass is because they are not counting on the exploit being known and used that much. Lets face it, although there are lots of us here we only represent a small portion of users and most go by the book thank goodness ;-)
[Thunderbolt General] Pito2k6:
When the Moto Xoom gets the 4G update,would I be able to just pop in my tb sim card and use my 4G data on it ?
[Thunderbolt General] Manksgloob:
I hate to bring up a slightly older thread but I had to spread my cautionary tale.

Today while we had a VZ rep assisting with an unrelated issue, he noticed that one of our Thunderbolt SIMs was being used in an UML290 aircard. Or, from his point a view, there was a "glitch" in the system that allowed a 4G aircard an unlimited 3G voice and data plan that was giving it unlimited 4G data. We told him there was nothing wrong -- it was supposed to be a Thunderbolt plan but

he was adamant that it was a glitch (since all he could see was that it was in an aircard, and that there were no unlimited aircard plans) and that he had to correct it. So he removed the voice plan and dropped the line to one with a 10GB cap. I remind you, this was an unlimited 4G plan for a before-the-data-cap Thunderbolt.

Worse, he back-dated the change so there is going to be a 20GB overage charge (30GB have already been used on the line this month)!

I fear that even if I call VZ and make it clear that we had ordered the line on a Thunderbolt, not the aircard, that they will be unable to fix his little mistake and restore the unlimited data plan since they have now been discontinued.

I am definitely calling back though. Hopefully I get a different rep.

Take-home message: SIM swapping works, but be careful and don't let nosey reps dig through your account, even if you're calling about other issues.
[Thunderbolt General] DaRkL3AD3R:
Oh.... my.... god...

I think I'd freak on the guy if he did that to me, royally freak. This scenario is exactly why I avoid making any form of contact with Verizon at ALL costs. I don't pull any silly crap like putting my 4G sim card into an Air card, but still. God damn... I'd be heated if this happened to me lol

That sad sad story aside I just want to be straight on something. I (obviously) own a Thunderbolt with unlimited 4G data. My sim card is safe and sound tucked away in my Tbolt where it shall stay until the day it dies. No kidding. I didn't really want this phone as it didn't quite have all the features I planned for my next phone, so I intend to sell this bad boy on ebay when the time is right and buy my next big phone off contract full retail price so I can keep my 4G unlimited data plan.

Here's where I'm lost. Its clear that the sim card is what carries and maintains your unlimited 4g data. It is imperative that you safeguard it and make sure not to fuss with it especially around VZW reps. So when the time comes for me to sell my Thunderbolt I need to keep my sim card. My worry begins at the point in which I buy the new phone. I bought my Thunderbolt full retail price. I didn't intend for the VZW lady to activate it and mess with it, but she did. No questions asked I couldn't even stop her. She just did it. What happens if I go in there to buy my next phone, and they take out a new SIM card and go to activate it? Will I lose my unlimited 4G plan? I plan on letting them know I want to use my old SIM card, but I just don't want a repeat of what happened to poor Manksgloob where I get screwed out of my unlimited 4G thanks to some nitwit rep.
[Thunderbolt General] crazyhtown:
You can change between 4 g devices like gsm. If you go to a 3g phone you need a new sin card....

Kthx
[Thunderbolt General] crazyhtown:
Digging through your account is their job. Verzion is on the paycheck stub..
[Thunderbolt General] crazyhtown:
As long as you dont go to a feature phone youre fine. The feature is on your number which is then on the card..its not purely bound to that o.e card
[Thunderbolt General] loonatik78:
Why would you even be curious about this? You're never going to get a phone that doesn't have a SIM card from Verizon when they hand it to you. They might as well solder the things in. It's not like you can just drop it in another phone and make calls because it doesn't handle calls. It only handles 4G data. I don't understand what the curiosity is.
[Thunderbolt General] bunklung:
I had a Thunderbolt and purchased a used Charge.

Asurion:

http://www.phoneclaim.com/verizon-lookup

I did my number and zip code and it said I had the Droid Charge. So it looks like when you/anyone does a 4G SIM swap, your phone insurance gets automatically updated and sent to Asurion. I know on the VZW end under my account they also update your phone image and device to the one using your SIM.

So you don't have to call or go to Verizon to deal with the insurance.
[Thunderbolt General] KnightCrusader:
Uh, yeah, if I put the SIM from my TBolt in a Charge or Revolution, then those phones can make and receive calls from my number too. Its the exact same as GSM when you swap SIMs out. I am not sure why people think only the data is tied to the SIM.
[Thunderbolt General] Mr. Transistor:
So if the sim in my TBOLT gets fried or lost, I will or will not be able to get a new sim card, and keep my plan, features, and info?
[Thunderbolt General] capflya:
Your plan is in vzw's computers. Unless you, or an moron of a sales associate change the plan you will not lose it. If they give Yuliya a new sim card it will connect to vzw's computers to see what services are activated on your line.

Kinda like a card in a satellite receiver if you're familiar with how they work.

This is how I understand it at least. Some people have fried their sim cards and VZW has had to replace them. I don't recall anybody posting that their plan got changed because they were given a new sim card.

This post is infected with the 3D strain of Gingeritis
[Thunderbolt General] bunklung:
No, you go to a VZW store or call customer service and they will get you a new SIM card.

The SIM card is bound to your account. It's active so long as you pay your bill and subscribe to the correct service.

You would not need a SIM if you changed you plan from a 4G phone to a feature phone. Although, I *think* the newer future phones will all have SIMs on Verizon's network, not just world and 4G phones/devices I don't know where I read that.
[Thunderbolt General] Sinatics:
Why not just put the SIM back in the thunderbolt and call complaining that you can't make calls (since he switched it to a data only plan) also complain about the 2gb cap saying that you had it activated before that went in to effect and that its not your fault the customer service rep did something he wasn't supposed to.. (yes they can add grandfathered features back on to your account even if they say otherwise. If they insist they can't then ask to speak to their manager.) The awesome thing about a call center is if the first person you get connected to doesn't want to help you, you can always call back until you get somebody that has half a brain.
[Thunderbolt General] Manksgloob:
This is actually exactly what I ended up doing, although it took a couple of calls before I got rep who was willing to listen and do something about it.

They couldn't/wouldn't do anything about it while the SIM was in the aircard but once it was back in the Thunderbolt (and showed up in their system as such) the voice+data plans showed up as available options on the rep's screen. Then digging back, the rep saw that we were indeed originally eligible for the unlimited data plan and added it back. All is well again.

For the record, the overage fee was going to be "only" ~$200 -- not something I wanted to pay but I say "only" after reading about some of those the outrageous $5-10,000 overage fees that require a "one-time good-will courtesy" waiver to even halve!

I suppose I posted unnecessarily in my haste and alarm but it was nice to see the input from everyone else.

Thanks again!
[Thunderbolt General] Jacob9424:
So which is it? If I were to buy a bionic when it comes out on eBay or something could I just put my sim in their and get it to work or not?
[Thunderbolt General] fury15:
I currently have 3 working tbolts and I can swap my sim between any of them and they all work the same showing my phone number. 2 are mine. One rooted and one stock. And the other I bought for my mom. Never had a problem switching between them. Idk about to a different model phone if its the same but I assume it would still work.
[Thunderbolt General] orkillakilla:
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[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
Obviously, neither rep is aware of Verizon's own policy:

- VZW 4G FAQ
[Thunderbolt General] mr_schticker:
Right. While you technically are grandfathered into unlimited data, switching to a 3G phone (without sim) is going to mean Vzw has to manually activate the phone and the system may or may not automatically populate the features with the old unlimited plan. Fortunately for you, going from 4G to 4G is going to be an automated process initiated by swapping the sim card, no Vzw programming necessary, so your old plan will stay on regardless.
[Thunderbolt General] Jacob9424:
Thanks for sharing that. I really plan on buying that bionic at some point so I can just switch between my thunderbolt and itself. :)
[Thunderbolt General] loonatik78:
Well, 2 reasons.... First, 4G phones are hardly the first verizon phones to use SIMs. Verizon and Alltel have had at least 1 or 2 phones out for about 4 years now that came with SIMs. The BB 8830, 9530, 9550, 9630, 9650, Droid X2 global, and one other Motorola Droid I can't think of. Second, none of those devices required the card to work just fine. That's the cause of my initial assumption. I've read some things that lead me to believe that's not the case, but I haven't found the white papers I'm looking for to better understand it.
[Thunderbolt General] mike.s:
AFAIK, no current Verizon phone uses a SIM, including the TB. SIMs were superseded by UICCs around 2002.

The TB uses a UICC, which reportedly contains applications for both USIM and CSIM. It's a subtle distinction, since the "SIM card" terminology has carried forward after actual SIM cards were long obsolete. A bit of info on the VZW cards is found in this thread.

Knowing the difference is important to understanding the 4G cards. Prior Verizon "SIM" cards were to allow "global" phones to be used on international GSM networks, not for authentication to Verizon's own network. With the TB, the "SIM" card is used to authenticate to both Verizon's LTE (using USIM) and CDMA (using CSIM) networks. I assume the same will apply to all 4G phones going forward, and eventually all VZW phones will support and require "SIM cards."
[Thunderbolt General] pla1967:
Can you swap the Thunderbolt sim with the G Nexus?
[Thunderbolt General] yay pie:
The cards are different sizes. The TB needs a "Mini SIM" form factor, while the Nexus uses a "Micro SIM." And supposedly, going forward every VZW device is going to use a MicroSIM.

You can cut the SIM down and then get an adapter to use it in the TB, but I've not tried it.
[Thunderbolt General] BlackHoleSlam:
You can just swap the two I did that when I went to my charge from the t bolt just put the same Sim in the charge

for me,by me and I love you
[Thunderbolt General] Sal Amanders:
That's a somewhat different thing. Those were CDMA "world" phones with a separate GSM radio that accepted a GSM SIM card if you were travelling overseas.

In the case of the LTE SIM, that thing has your entire account tied to it; not just the data portion. In this case, dropping in a new LTE SIM "reprograms" the phone to use the account tied to the new SIM. On every boot, the SIM is read for the account data, and the phone (or other LTE device) is then hooked up to the applicable service. Just like pure GSM devices.
[Thunderbolt General] ksizzle9:
You can swap cards between 4G phones exactly like GSM. Been doing it with my trusty bolt and rezound for a while. However if I went from a 4G enabled phone to 3G phone(be it world phone with a sim or not) then it WILL NOT WORK. But.from 4G to 4G ur fine. Its only a matter of time until Verizon is a CDMA based company that relies on SIM cards exclusively. Which wud be a 1st but only due to LTE and its use of a SIM card
[Thunderbolt General] recDNA:
I know it will work but could vzw have any beef with me if I buy a used rezound from ebay and just pop in my sim card without telling them anything about it?
[Thunderbolt General] EEwny:
RecDNA- assuming you already have a 4g phone no verizon has no issue with you switching the sim over.

I even bought and tried a 4g hotspot today. It worked with my bionic unlimited data. Online it showed I changed my device but my plan stayed. Back to the phone with nothing lost. Its a requirement of the 700mhz block the government sold.

I am not sure if verizon can burn me for 3g hotspot usage since it isn't covered by the government rules.

I went and disabled 3g on my samsung jetpack lte hotspot so it is a 4g only device. Maybe it wont work everywhere but I think* it makes me safer. Experts can correct me if they know better.
[General Questions and Answers] mac3013:
Hi, I am very new to this... I have a Viewsonic g-tablet running VEGAn-Tab Build, BETA 5.1.1 w/supplement and now I cannot access certain apps in the app market.

Can't seem to find Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo... Any ideas as to how to find these apps?
[General Questions and Answers] Arun3:
I have the same issue after I installed Vegan beta 5.1 FINAL. By the way, good job guys...really love my g tab now that I rooted it and installed Vegan ROM on it. Newbie here....
[General Questions and Answers] Pea17Nut17:
same problem here... anyone?

I even updated to BETA 5.1.1 w/supplement
[General Questions and Answers] khedquist:
Just updated the 5.1.1 w/supplement and found the same problem.
[General Questions and Answers] fiockthis:
To my knowledge, those apps are not available for the g-tablet
[General Questions and Answers] OregonJim:
Viewsonic G-Tablet cm install problems

Hi folks. Noob here. I am trying to install clockwork .08. I went through the steps at the androidtablets dot net forum for the viewsonic g-tablet.

When I go to the step saying "1. If you want to get into ClockworkMod you need to shut down your device, then press the Power and Volume+ button (the same way you did to install ClockworkMod)."

I get the arrow/box again and the system reboots, then goes into the normal home screen.

I formatted a 16g Microsd with Fat-32, named it "recovery". Then put the unzipped files from CW mod into the root.

Later I made a subdirectory called "update.zip" and put the unzipped CW files there, and tried rebooting.

Same results.

What am I doing wrong? I want to install Vegan's current RC1.

Thanks to all!

Regards, Jim
[Omnia 7 General] Ogner:
Can anyone tell me how the tough the glass screen is? Is it gorilla glass? Do you have any scratches on yours?

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/#featured-products

I am looking at the LG Optimus 7 and the Samsung Omnia 7 (16GB version). I would buy an unbranded Sim free version. The O7 definitely has gorilla glass. I don't want to use a screen protector, but the last thing I want is to scratch the screen.
[Omnia 7 General] brummiesteven:
I'm not sure weather it has Gorilla Glass but it's a tough phone. Had it about 4 months now, dropped it several times, keep it in my pocket without a protector. No scratches at all (this includes the screen and the rest of the phone).

I've even dropped it on the dancefloor in clubs and it's been fine.
[Omnia 7 General] evolutionqy7:
would love to share your experience.

my omnia 7 seems to scratch far more easily than my hd2 or hd7 ever did.

Scratches magically appear on the bloody thing :(
[Omnia 7 General] Ogner:
If the Phone has even one noticable scratch then it is much harder to sell it on. My iPhone 3G, HTC Desire and HTC HD7 were all pristine. Apple made a big deal about using harder glass from the first iPhone. The HTC Desire and HD7 both have gorilla glass. As do many others.

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/#featured-products

To me build quality is vital. That means metal chassis and toughened glass, no creaks etc. The old Nokias ie 6310i were legendary for lasting for years, requiring no more than possibly a new battery

.

One of the key reasons why Palm failed was because of low quality, cheap Pre build quality.
[Omnia 7 General] evolutionqy7:
So it doesnt actually have Gorilla Glass :(

I agree with the pristine quality. Main reason i sold the HD7 because i didnt feel it was a solid product. It was laggin behind in performance to the omnia 7 as well as build quality. Hate creaks in nokia phones. I left them with N97 and HD7 had the creaks too so i left that too.
[Omnia 7 General] VonCrisp:
It was indirectly confirmed by a Samsung rep to have gorilla glass.
[Omnia 7 General] TheAperture:
The Samsung Focus is confirmed to have Gorilla Glass

http://www.samsung.com/us/article/get-to-know-the-samsung-focus-with-windows-phone-7

And MobileTechWorld says that the Omnia 7 does, but doesn't offer collaborative proof (but I guess the review has been told)

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/11/23/samsung-omnia-7-hardware-tour/
[Omnia 7 General] Freypal:
I emailed Corning a few weeks ago asking about this. They said that they cannot tell me due to privacy agreements with other companies and to ask my phone manufacturer.

I find it hard to believe Samsung would put it on the focus and not the omnia 7.
[Omnia 7 General] VonCrisp:
It is on the Omnia 7. Samsung is not able to provide an official statement since they have an agreement in place with Microsoft.

This agreement enforces the "differentiation" of the different phones that were released by the manufacturers for the wp7 launch. Each manufacturer is allowed to advertise a unique feature of their brand ie. LG DLNA.
[Omnia 7 General] uristic:
I also think it is gorilla glass. I have mine from middle December and no scratches at all. (glass and aluminium back). I dropped it once or twice thought, so I'm very pleased with the build quality =P
[Omnia 7 General] TheAperture:
Yeah. I've dropped mine a couple of times onto a marble floor and there's not so much as a scratch anywhere.

It's a superbly built phone.
[Omnia 7 General] evolutionqy7:
Could do with a rubber coating. Would solve all the dropping.

The phone is as slippery as a fish
[Omnia 7 General] TheAperture:
I like it the way it is. Slips easily in and out of my pocket. Having a rubberised/high tactile coating would just annoy me
[Omnia 7 General] evolutionqy7:
Well it wrecks my head. Have to hold the phone really tight to make sure it doesnt fall out. A bit better now since i got a vynil skin.

But **** that. Never had that issue on HTC phones. They were always much comfier to hold in hand and always provided plenty of tacktile grip but not too much as you said to make it slip out of pockets easily :)
[Omnia 7 General] pik.:
for me the only so so item of buld quality is the home button made o plastic and having e little of movement if touched.

other than that best Phone ever after iPhone 2G:D
[Omnia 7 General] GTI WR6:
Well I have a story to tell about my Omnia 7. I dropped it while coming down the stairs on the 4th floor. My heart stopped as I heard it bang along the sides of the walls and hit the ground floor. I went down. The cover, the battery cover, the battery and the phone were spread all over. The gorilla glass has cracks but it has not come off. The phone works as if nothing happened. Only the cracks remain. Its still fully functioning and this incident happened on the 1st week of February (Feb 8th to be precise). I will post pictures of where it fell from the phone itself if anyone is interested. btw, I forced the Nodo update on Saturday and updated successfully on first go. Its a T-mobile UK unlocked.

Its a superbly built phone. Haven't seen anything like it.
[Omnia 7 General] Jordan Alexander Hartley:
I've gotta echo many other people experience here.

I've dropped mine quite a few time, this weekend just gone actually on a dance floor, fell flat on its face hard enough for the batter cover and battery to shoot off.

BUT yet not a single scratch on the screen or casing.

Which is good because like someone said, its a very slippery phone.
[Omnia 7 General] Niiceg:
Well, I haven't dropped mine, but it has small scratch, that can be seen when the screen is fully cleaned and watching it at light
[Omnia 7 General] momagic:
Couldn't have said it better!
[Omnia 7 General] pik.:
I know is OT but has anybody of you have slightly loose home button that when you just touch it makes the sound of plastic hitting the glass?

I m talking 1/10 of mm here but I just ask

:D

nevertheless have great feedback and response.

thanks.
[Omnia 7 General] TheAperture:
Not for me. Home button seems pretty solid to me, no wobblage here.
[Omnia 7 General] Ogner:
How can the phone be so slippery when Samsung used matt plastic and brushed aluminium casing. To me it looks a bit like the original iPhone.
[Omnia 7 General] evolutionqy7:
Its just the coating. Its not rubberized. It just feels like realy PVC like coating. Its not resistive AT ALL.

Even the plastic bits at the top and bottom of the phone are slippery.

I have dropped it a few times already cause of that and after that was tied down to the phone cover. Now got a vynil skin so its ok.

I had HD7 before and thats what a phone was meant to feel like in hand and be as resistive in hand but not in the pocket.

The 8GB memory and slippery coating are my only main complaints about Omnia :) the rest are minorish :P
[Omnia 7 General] Phyx:
I have to say, I love the build quality of the phone, Had it for months now and It's fallen from my, slid on the floor, accidently banged into a wall (was in my pocket) and just keeps on going without a single scratch at all.
[Omnia 7 General] gc48067:
It's as slippery as a very slippery fish... :-)

Slippy case and only 8GB also sum up my only issues with the phone.
[Omnia 7 General] Robert_27:
What is Gorilla Glass?

What is Gorilla Glass?

Based on comprehensive understanding on how glass breaks, Corning created Gorilla Glass to better survive the real world events that commonly cause glass failure. Designed specifically for mobile devices, Corning’s Gorilla Glass improves screen durability without adding weight to the highly mobile tablet PCs.

Motion’s CL900, J3500, C5v and F5v are the first rugged tablet PCs to feature Corning’s durable Gorilla Glass.

Advantages of gorila glass:-

Exceptionally Clean flat and smooth surface

Outstanding Optical Clarity

Inherent Dimensional Stability

Exceptional Performance and Protection

Harder to Shatter

Thinner and Lighter sheets used

Latest mobile pones like Motorola Atrix is covering with gorilla glass display.
[Omnia 7 General] titus1:
Gorilla glass or not, it is wise to put a screen protector and a rubberize case. You'll have a piece of mind knowing that your expensive phone is well protected.
[Omnia 7 General] 17-apg:
That's just what I have done. Got a 16GB unbranded and unlocked Omnia 7 from Germany and bought a screen protector and (I have to say) a great rubberised cover from MobileFun.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] kuntri:
I have rooted - flashed KB5 Rom - All bloatware removed ....

Now, i want to add a few bloatware apks back on ... i can't

adb commands .. push " " -- "failed via Android Commander

also, i have to keep using Superoneclick to gain root when using android commander ..

so, do anyone have any ideas how to push or why i am unable to push .apks back into /system/app/

" failed ...... read-only file "
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] jeffsf:
Without knowing all your steps, I'd guess that /system is still mounted read-only
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] kuntri:
i followed the main steps to root then flash using odin .. just cant get pass the read-only

adb push file.apk /system/app/file.apk