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[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
The sticker was merely an aside, because everybody thought Windows Vista was the biggest flop this side of Windows ME.

The point is, the rest of it is fine. All the components are easy to get to. I have replaced the stock 200 gb hard drive with a solid state 500gb hard drive, not because there was anything wrong with it, but because i wanted to (and I got a killer deal on the SSD) I've also added 2gb of ram to it (again, killer deal)

I have had no problems with it thus far *knocks on wood*.

Sure the charging port is awkward, and only 3 usb ports can be a pain sometimes, but I had a budget, and this was the best for my money.
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
Just curious..

to the couple of you in talks with dell: is it too much/too late to ask for a way to reset the device via hardware key combinations? Having to ship a device back and go through the whole rma/return process for something that a lot of times could be resolved with a few keypresses seems dumb.
[Venue Pro General] Poopants:
To be fair, I was only stating my opinion, and I'm not trolling. This place is brimming with other people's assumptions so I feel OK to add my own. I don't post very often.

Also, what evidence do you have that it won't be bundled "in" Mango? I read the entire thread and saw nothing along those lines. BTW I'm not necessarily meaning a custom build of Mango that integrates Dell's FW update. We could see a separate installer grouped with Mango. Bundled in or bundled with, who knows. Regardless Microsoft/Dell can easily make us wait until Mango is released and then push out both updates to DVP users.

It certainly seems to me that, because of how little communications we've had from both Dell and Microsoft, both companies have plausible deniability and can imply that our fingers should be pointed at the other one. Meanwhile we get all revved up and spend 12 months blowing off steam, much to the amusement of both sides. The reality is that hardly anyone even knows about WP7 yet and our displeasure is a mosquito fart in the hurricane of development dollars.

Similarly, if issues in the FW update are impacted by changes in Mango we could arrive at the same result. Maybe they really do have it fixed for the current DVP revision of WP7, but why bother releasing it before Mango? As a rule, technology companies don't like to push out any more updates than are absolutely necessary and the timing/frequency is a strategic matter.

Thank you for the reference to the Chevron tool.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Not sure what your point is. Its been posted that there is an update being tested, it fixes the issues and will be released. Where is YOUR evidence that the update will be held back till Mango because of some conspiracy to screw us as there are not that many WP7 users? You may not believe an update is coming but thats no reason to make stuff up.
[Venue Pro General] Poopants:
Isn't this supposed to be a development forum?

Once again, I never said I had evidence or that I didn't think an update exists. I said that my statements were an opinion.

Who died and made you Pope?
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
In what way is your question related to 'Development'? You clearly questioned for evidence of update and efjay merely responded to it. And this thread is specifically to update on FW, if we have any news on it. That's what efjay, myself, domineus and jessej have been doing. No speculation nor opinion, just real updates(read the first post).

Going forward folks will get to know the update directly from Dell/blogs and not from a 'Development' forum.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
and to clarify as I stated in the article, it is not mango chutney where we will get the new fw. It's coming very very soon

yes this is a dev site but dell really hasn't been open with their oses like with android and that's to be expected.

also refer to notebookgrail as well..
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
hhhmmmmm....barking up the wrong tree here...unless all you're doing is making conversation...which is ok...I'd rather think this issue is too sensitive to be starting a guessing game. There are 4 good people working with Dell on this. If you want to ask them direct question...feel free. But I'd recommend keeping the speculation to a bare minimum ....in this thread.

I will say this....and this is from close to the source....Mango is NOT on the table for Dell, until this fix(s) are in place. Any DEVs that are in the Mango DEV program MS will release in the next 2-3 weeks will see the lack of Dell involvement....because of this fix.

Not telling you to shut up....just recommend you take speculations to a different thread. We want to keep this thread for horse's mouth info. Please....and thank you.
[Venue Pro General] phuguet:
I really have very few problems with my DVP. I purchased it in noveber and had to switch the device in december because of the wifi problem but since it has been behaving great. Iextremely rarely reboot it.

My 2 only complaints are about the low level headset output and the RAM incorrectly reporting 256 MB. but besides this it is the nicest piece of hardware.
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
Aw man that sucks!!! I am a dev already locked into the Mango Dev program and I wont see any of it until Dell gets its act together. That kinda ticks me off
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
uhm I can email but I don't think there is a hard reset combo but I'll ask
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
there currently is not. I just figured while we have their ear it might be a nice thing to ask for in the future firmware.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Not really. As the guys have pointed out, this is a joint effort with Dell and MS. MS does not want the Dell left out of this. They think....as we do here, the Dell is a good phone. But without that fix....you cannot even get a good memory count....how can you base an update on that.

I think you'll see, with Dell and MS working together on this, you will see Dell move back into the Mango program shortly. That would coincide with the Message MS delivered at the Mango press they last month.

You've seen the Mango testing vids on Twitter recently....there was the Surround and the HD7 so far I believe. Well, I've had Mango on my device for a few hours. It rocks. It will be glorious....but not until these guys finish they work with Dell and MS....that's why leaving speculation out of this thread, will help.
[Venue Pro General] jessej:
Just a quick update.

Beta approved
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
What does that mean? Has the new firmware been promoted to Release Candidate? Jumped straight to Gold Master? :confused:
[Venue Pro General] jessej:
It will be released to production shortly.
[Venue Pro General] synergeia:
sure hope they fixed up BT too, otherwise my DVP will still be useless as it doesnt connect to my handsfree properly
[Venue Pro General] RandomXIII:
Good to know. So when will we, the end users, see this firmware update on Zune network ?
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
BT is not in Dell's hand. Its a OS level feature. And i think MS is updating its BT profile in the upcoming mango to improve compatibility with various handsfree systems. Having said that, i have asked Dell to look into BT issues with Car's inbuilt BT handsfree systems. Let see what engineering says.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
yeah but the improved bt stack improves something but not a lot...which is a sure disappointment on that front

kudos to the beta being approved because it means you guys will get it sooner.
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
Any word if this update will require carrier approval? I'd hate to see this thing delayed for a couple more months because of them. :(
[Venue Pro General] Homedesigner:
I totally agree, T-Mobile has a "hands off" approach for anything related to support for this phone, so the carrier should be left out of the loop on this one.
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
sounds like somebody got his hands on the firmware early...
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
safe bet considering he wrote the wmpu article lol.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
You must have been a caveman :D lol
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
not necessarily they rolled out the 7392 update days after it was released. Heck I was shocked!

Seriously

So I wouldn't be surprised if the rollout is fast just so the users can feel appreciated and consumers will purchase devices
[Venue Pro General] frazell:
T-Mobile seems to be very fast with update approvals. All of the Windows Phone 7 updates to date they were in the first round of releases. So we're lucky when it comes to their approval times compared to most carriers.

Also, since Microsoft doesn't seem to release udpates on any day other than a Tuesday we can expect to see it no sooner than a week (but I guesstimate at least two). If it has already been put into the final legs that is.
[Venue Pro General] Igoran:
notebookgrail, domineus thank you for good news and communication with Dell.

And if you can discuss with Dell support about community wishes, can you request a feature: "Answer call with slider". This may be unique feature of DVP because of it formfactor and this feature is really appreciated, IMHO...
[Venue Pro General] ZappiestOyster:
Also, taking this to the next level would be the capability to enter your password on the lock screen via the slider (the keyboard should already be in "numeric" mode).

This way I don't have to ding around with the power button. Something like: Phone locked > slider up > enter password on the keyboard (without the fn key since the phone is already in "fn locked" mode) > phone unlocked.

I don't think they need to worry about people accidentally unlocking the phone - if people are able to unslide the phone and unlock it from their pockets, they have other things to worry about.
[Venue Pro General] mechmouni:
Can one of you guys post the changes coming in this version... Important ones will do ... I am sure the number is not "500"
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
http://wmpoweruser.com/dell-venue-pro-users-new-fw-report/
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
speaking of slider

one big issue that happens for some is when you slide up sometimes the device is reset

and that will be solved too...not in the firmware we've tested but soon...hopefully so kudos
[Venue Pro General] Wyn6:
Got anything on post-NoDo IE lockups when browsing the internets?
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Probably related, I had that too and my guess is its crashing when downloading and writing the websites to the sd card. Should be fixed with the new firmware. Have you tried a hard reset though? Remember you will lose data not synced to Zune or Windows Live.
[Venue Pro General] Wyn6:
I hard reset PRIOR to updating to NoDo but not since. The only thing I'd really lose are apps not DL'd thru Zune but since zune keeps my app history, that's no biggie.

The lockups aren't too frequent but it does occur every now and then.
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Sit tight for the update then, should fix that.
[Venue Pro General] Wyn6:
CooleyHighHarmony.
[Venue Pro General] crav4speed:
So this is not a hardware issue but, rather, a firmware issue??? This problem is really starting to piss me off. I have to slide the screen up ever so carefully now because anything more will reset the device!
[Venue Pro General] solidstiles:
I was having this problem and basically couldn't use my slider at all. The problem was inconsistent and hard to reproduce when trying to show someone. I had some other issues going on, so I had Dell ship me a replacement phone and battery. When the refurb replacement turned out to be a lemon, I used the replacement battery in my original phone so I could at least have a somewhat working phone. Once I replaced the battery, I was completely unable to reproduce the slider/reset problem. I tried and tried and tried different ways, in tons of different app scenarios and just couldn't replicate the error.

Now I'm not an expert when it comes to batteries and this is just my 2 cents, but its seems possible that the battery was being jarred when using the slider, causing it to reset. It's the only promising lead I have had when troubleshooting this issue.
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
some black electrical tape was used when this was happening with palm's pre. Easy fix if so.
[Venue Pro General] Kenji117:
I had a question for the testers. Within 2-4 weeks I have gotten the SD card not found or w/e error twice. Both times I just hit the restart option and it has gone back to normal. My question is if this is a known issue and if so has it been fixed in the new f/w or should I request a replacement device. Its not so much of hassle to reboot the phone as it is that I freak out that my phone is broken when I see it. Any info would help please and thank you.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
I would wait for the FW to come out and then if it's not to your satisfaction, ask for a replacement. But, if its frequently happening, then go for it.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
To be fair here...after the first update...MS shared the bits with the carriers, so the updates could be tested....T-Mobile was more quick about the testing. AT&T on the other had...was not.
[Venue Pro General] hpsauce37:
When the new firmware is released should I get it straight away as my device is a factory unlocked phone and not carrier dependant? I'm using th phone on Orange in the UK at the moment.
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
I received the previous OS update almost straight away, so I'm hoping a firmware update would be similar. I received notification of the previous OS update when syncing my phone to my PC (via Zune) - didn't get a notification before then. Like you, I also purchased a sim-free phone.
[Venue Pro General] ducttape36:
FYI- The new firmware for the dell venue pro will be out next month for t-mobile. Lionel just announced via twitter. (I can't post the link as I'm still a new user)
[Venue Pro General] Wyn6:
Linked.

http://www.wpcentral.com/t-mo-dell-venue-pro-finally-get-firmware-update-next-month
[Venue Pro General] murdo119:
It's about time!
[Venue Pro General] pittphan:
Get it out quick! I'm about to switch to Verizon for the trophy... Even tough I hate CDMA.
[Venue Pro General] slight22:
Did they get a chance to send the update?
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
I WANTED to take a moment to thank Jesse, Dom, Efjay and Notebook...and any one else working with them....to help drive this to realization. Hard work and commitment to the cause.

We appreciate your effort and time.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
You are welcome and thanks to fellow members as well. I also hope Dell follows thru on the suggested goodies to compensate the DVP owners who were patient this long with the DVP issues.

Microsoft has agreed for a Mid July release for the update. Hope it hits on track.
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
Have to agree. Thanks to all parties involved: both the testers and the users that put constant pressure on Dell.
[Venue Pro General] jruser:
Somebody with Dell's ear please ask them about the update for AT&T. The article specifically mentions T-Mobile and unlocked phones. I realize that the AT&T phones haven't been on sale that long, but we want the fixes too. Are they even considering or working on this fix for AT&T? Afraid they will forget it since they have probably only sold like 8 ATT phones.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
gotta thank jesse most importantly definitely a huge help. I would love to do something like this again with dell. Being realistic the net talks loud and user opinions are important in terms of mobile devices. For many users, the name of dell is seen negatively now. I honestly wouldn't mind if Dell took the ball with this and kept going giving users the image that they're not leaving consumers high and dry. That as a company, Dell is committed to getting things to work.

We do need a reminder even myself included you know? it could make the difference between buying a device from dell versus not buying a dell...especially with the mobile OEMs increasing.

I wouldn't mind using or buying another dell...but it may not be a first option given the amount of options users have
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
I agree - big thanks from me too! Encouraging Dell to work with Microsoft on the issues was very smart too. Many thanks, all!
[Venue Pro General] DeekoVB5:
Here's to hoping the July date keeps!
[Venue Pro General] Necrothug:
Here's hoping the firmware will quickly finish testing for AT&T devices.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
pretty sure ATT is also included too
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
Check my recent tweets with @lionellatdell at&t is not included but its firmware is in testing
[Venue Pro General] Necrothug:
According to Lionel's response to my question on the official blog, the ATT FW is still in testing.

en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2011/06/27/new-dell-venue-pro-firmware-revision-coming-next-month.aspx

Do any of the beta testers on this forum have an AT&T device?
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Definitely thanks should go to jessej, notebookgrail and domineus for kicking the tires and the excellent WMPU article. And to you, for helping me out so kindly. BTW been going 6 days 18 hours straight and still smooth as butta! Been frustrating no doubt, but a fixed dell venue pro is a beautiful thing.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
hah should've asked...
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Just got a response from the contact and its tentative early August.
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
Very nice. Thanks!
[Venue Pro General] rvbarton:
How about for the unlocked 32 Gb DVP? Will this simple come over the air, or via Zune updating?
[Venue Pro General] liquidiq:
It will more than likely come through Zune updating, like the Samsung Focus firmware update.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
As far as I know, wp7 does not have ota, yet. Only over the air notification. Link to Zune is required.
[Venue Pro General] Necrothug:
Very cool. Thanks for checking in on that!
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
You know ..this is a good question guys...

Is the update to 2xx from the 105 firmware?

We know the ATT people with 209 will have to wait until August

The NON US/ATT people are living on 210...will this update them also....

Isn't Jesse from the UK...did you have problems?
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Per Dell, Lionel and sources, the update will be for TMO US and Generic Folks (Non US aka Unlocked phones sold by Dell). Basically Non-ATT should get the update in the first batch (Mid Jul).
[Venue Pro General] marcox92:
Others than T Mobile or ATT

Am in france and bought my DVP to Clove in UK

How can I expect and when ti get that firmware.

Even I don't know who's is responsible of support in this case.
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
You have an 'unlocked' phone. According to the Dell information, your firmware update will be pushed out around mid-July. I believe Microsoft delivers the updates. Connect your phone to your PC via a USB cable around mid-July time and you should get the update via the Zune software.
[Venue Pro General] mechmouni:
Just to confirm once again... No camera fix..only the extra option?

I already have the options in 210..still makes it the worst cam in the world

... but I am happy about the wifi issue ending :)
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
No camera fix...becos its hardware change:-)
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
I have to disagree. The phone has the same imaging chip as the iphone 4, the quality of the dvp pics is horrible. Coming from android where camera software packages were swapped among phones easily (htc's superior camera software was often found on non-htc devices) it's definitely possible for better pics, just have to have dell work on the software end of it.

But I digress, they fixed wifi..guess I'll lay off the camera a bit.
[Venue Pro General] theusername:
I dont think that its just a software thing. The camera its self maybe similar to the iPhones, but for what I understand it does have the hardware necessary for image stabilization. If the phone is holding still though, the pictures are great! lol
[Venue Pro General] someeh:
Where are you guys getting the firmware updates from? I'm on t-mobile network and my firmware revision # is 2250.1500.7004.105.. am I behind? lol :D
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
No one got a FW yet. Its coming Mid July. If you need early (or) what we have other than .105 is via replacement devices which had the various versions of FW factory installed by Dell while they were still fixing issues.
[Venue Pro General] someeh:
Thanks for the info meng..
[Venue Pro General] slight22:
incase no one has seen this yet.

http://www.the7fans.com/dell-venue-pro-update-release-details-emerge/
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
You do realise the source of the update information is in this very thread, right?
[Venue Pro General] slight22:
nope it came from y my facebook "likes" DVP fan page.

Dell Venue Pro

Dell Venue Pro Update Release Details Emerge

www.the7fans.com

Yesterday we got word that the update to finally fix the Dell Venue Pro’s WiFi and stability issues would be coming to us next month. As should be no surprise when it comes to updates for Windows Phone 7 devices, the truth turns out to be slightly more complicated, but DVP users should all still be

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[Venue Pro General] intogamer:
.105...what if you have .025? :confused: how do i update that FW if the OS is already updated to NoDo
[Venue Pro General] theusername:
The firmware (FW) and the operating system (OS) are two separate things. NoDo is the OS update by Microsoft. The FW is the update from Dell to fix the bugs with the hardware its self. There are several different FW versions that your DVP could be running depending on carrier and how early you bought the phone. .105, .025, and .206 are all firmware version you maybe running. The FW update on 7/14 will be to .210. It is supposed take care of the major bugs and make our DVP's a work of art!
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
A minor correction...The 7/14 one is .212
[Venue Pro General] rvbarton:
Thanks for clarifying this...

just fyi...

32Gb Dell Venue Pro

I'm running firmware revision # 2250.1800.7355.209

haeware revision number: 112.576.2.0

Radio software version: 2.2.50.18

Radio hardware version: 8250

bootloader version: 7.27.10

Chip SOC version: 0.36.20

I bought mine from Dell, 31 days ago, and other than the camera sucking, it's been a pretty solid phone.
[Venue Pro General] marcox92:
BlaBlaBla

Lot of things said everywhere, so I say mine...

-If Firmware is available for DELL why its not for no operator clients with unlocked devicie (here a uk product)

I received NoDo the fisrt day of brodcast.

- Michael DELL tahnks in november 2010 the responsible of phone division, that means thy KNOW the disaster comming..

8 months to produce something and no attention to any clients...

well this is new marketing.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
If i read you right, you are asking why the FW update is not for Non Carrier branded dvp's (ur case UK)?

If so, have you read the comments so far in this thread? Non Carrier branded DVP's (that is Outside US) will receive the FW in Mid July along with US-Tmobile.
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
C'mon now, people quit reading a page or so ago. ;)
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
May be we should make a sticky for DVP updates? How do i do that?
[Venue Pro General] Sparkyacdc:
Just a quick FYI for everyone following the firmware issues. I recently purchased my dell venue pro and within a couple days dropped and shattered the screen. I just spoke with dell mobility about my dispatched phone and was told I would receive my new phone in approximately 1 week due to the phone being on engineering hold for firmware issues being resolved. I can only assume this is the firmware update you've all been waiting for so that sounds to me like things are in the works for a release soon. Just wanted to pass this along to everyone.