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[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toughbax:
Maybe he assumes since they cut the price by $100 (on contract) in the first week it is because of slow sales.

NOTE: checking their website again it looks like its back up to $169. I wonder what was with the temp price drop. Oh well, saved me $100.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 2488575:
well $69 dollars for three years. THREE YEARS sometimes phones in America go for that price but for 2 years. I think it is overpriced at $169 for 3 years.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?

Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 2488575:
It was sold out at my local Bell store.

Edit : and I live in Toronto as well. maybe the stores your going to aren't the ones that are selling well in general, ask them how many Desire Z's they sold?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] digitalallstar:
I think the reason they dropped the price was because the day it came out, they dropped all the other smartphones to $0 except for the iPhone 4. Now if you're a customer coming into a Bell store not knowing much about the Atrix, those other phones are impossible to pass up "Hmm, $0 or $169. Wow that HD7 has a huge screen and it's $0. I'll take that one!". Bad marketing by Bell, nothing more
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neotekz:
maybe bell is trying to get people to to sign a 3 year contract, its called marketing, contracts are worth much more than the $100 they are discounting. do you know how many stores in toronto is selling the atrix? theres no way to guess how many are sold based on visiting 5 stores and asking the employee...have you considered they were not telling you the truth, ive been to a few bell stores where their employees are apple fanboys that were trying to only push the iphone to customers.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
5 stores that I randomly choose that has terrible sales? That's a pretty slim chance.

Anyways, thats not important. I went to return it today and apparently bell won't let me because I've exceeded 50mb of data usage. Even the Futureshop salesman was shocked to find out about this. They told me to go back tomorrow morning to speak with a full time salesman and figure things out there...

I hope I can return this phone and cancel this contract...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigc_13:
When I got my Atrix in the period of time I was in the store 3 other people came in and bought it as well so I wouldn't call that bad sales. Plus I know 4 other people that are going to pick one up.

As for the contract, under Canadian law you have 14 days to suffer from buyers remorse and get out of any contract. For your phone, when I signed up for it I was told I had 14 days or 30 minutes of talk time to return it and nothing about data use, so I wish you the best of luck for that part.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChongoDroid:
I'm in vancouver and as I was buying mine, this 60+ year old lady comes in and buys one... I was blown away... I asked her if this was her first android device and she said she owned a magic before. I was impressed.

Sent from my Motorola Olympus
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nilius17:
I think it depends more on Motorola, the carrier just pushes it to you when its done.

The Guy at the corner store has sold 30 Bell atrix, 12 iPhones & 2 chocolate doughnuts this month. The iPhone is clearly starting to fail.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] y2whisper:
im no iphone fan, but that isn't a clear indication as its a device that has been there for months.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bongd:
You're exaggerating now, because you were initially wrong.

In any event, even if you're correct (which you're not, I know direct and indirect dealers in your market), you're only talking about 1 market which you're wrong about anyway.

And yes, updates are released by carriers and are subject to their approval/branding/pollution. This matter changes if the phone's bootloader becomes cracked and capable of loading different ROMs however.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ytwytw:
I can find this phone in stock anywhere in Downtown Toronto in any types of Store(Bell, FutureShop, Bestbuy, Source or whatever)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
Man, Bell representatives are so clueless sometimes. There are no restrictions on data usage for smartphones but the first 2 bell ppl kept insisting there was a 50mb limit. I just wasted the whole day trying to get this sorted out. Finally the third person agreed with me and said that the previous 2 thought the Atrix was a tablet. WTF??

Anyways, phone's returned and everything, I feel so relieved now. I had to think real hard about this phone. Then I realized, if I had to think this hard then obviously I wasn't satisfied with it.

That was my first smartphone and I was not impressed with android. Maybe I just expected too much. I did love the fact that I can download mp3's for free and watch flash videos, but there was a key piece missing which was crucial to me. The overall user interface was not fluid like the Iphones are. I would hit the home button and it would sometimes work. Then when I tap it again, the phone would register everything in the queue 2 seconds later. I know some people are ok with this, I am not. I got a high end phone and I expect the same as I do with a high end PC, not lag on current generation software.

When Android irons out these issues out then maybe I'll consider using android again. I think fragmentation really hinders android just like it did for PCs (still does to a degree?).

Sorry for the rant, Futureshop/Bell really pissed me off today.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
idk man, when I went to returned mine. The same number of boxes of Atrix was still sitting behind the counter. I don't see how this phone would appeal to the average consumer who could care less about the specs.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 2488575:
Are you serious, One of the reasons you wanted Android was to pirate songs. Disappointed :(
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 2488575:
They probably sold them and those were the ones that they are currently selling.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
Haha no, it was just surprisingly convenient.

I really had high hopes for this phone, I thought it being dual core would show similar performance as going from a Pentium 4 to a Core 2 Duo. Guess the software isn't quite there yet and I am definitely not counting on moto or bell for that.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
Could be, nobody knows. I just don't wanna gamble with software updates which depends heavily on the popularity of the phone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I would like to remind that even though the milestone was slow it got updates inthe end. The Atrix is there flagship phone.

Also I don't know of any way to get free mp3 on the atrix without rooting and using an app of some sort.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seven2099:
this is why you read the fineprint man.

there is no such thing as a return policy on a phone. it is an absolutely loss for bell so why should they extend that to you...? because you are a paying customer. LOL.. well aparently you dont want to be anymore.

15 minutes of usage or under for 3rd party resellers, 30 minutes of usage or less for any bell store.

The bell atrix, after having checked downtown (montreal) is NOT underselling. Various locals including the corporate store have had to back order a few for friends so i'm pretty sure the information you got was from kiosks and not actually real retailers. Did you care to ask out of the NONE they have sold, how many do they have total? you might be surprised to find minor bell kiosks might just carry 1, 2 at most.. so that isnt saying anything at all.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -Roze-:
From the last time I bougt a phone on contract from Rogers, there IS a 30 days return policy, the caveat: you can only use 10 minutes air time and 10/20 mb of data. If you exceed that limit, you waiver your return policy.

I'm not sure if you got a lemon or an app you download was rouged and really slowed down your phone. On my Atrix, moving from screens to screen is pretty much instant. If I press the home button, it's done before I completely say 'one'. Is that not fast enough for you?

Being an Android enthusiasts, I usually try to persuade the person to rethink their decision of moving away from Android. But for you, I will say if all you felt that Android was good for is watching flash videos or pirating musics, than Android is not for you. By the end of the day, this is still a phone so comparing it to a dual/quad core PCs is unrealistic.

I love my Android phones because I CAN do much much more than any iPhones. I am able to modify and customize it to the way I want it. The widgets set it a world apart from the iPhone. I can get all my info FAST without opening the app. I can even get these info without unlocking the phone. All I have to do is look at my lock screen and I can read my emails, texts, news feeds, weather, play my music and change any of the audio/power settings. I don't need to open **** to do that. The app is called widget locker. That's just ONE thing I can do on an Android phone.

With Android, there's no LIMIT to what you can really do with it. Android makes all the other smart phones DUMB. I get into the car, set it on the car dock, my GPS turns on, pandora starts playing. Any calls comes in will be through my blue tooth connection. Any texts I get while driving will be replied with a generic response saying, 'I'm driving right now and unable to reply back'. If I get an eamil, a text to speech app opens and reads my email for me. I undock my phone, Pandora turns off. I plug my headphone in, Pandora turns on again. I haven't turned my phone on yet. I get out of the car and get into work, my ring/alert profile gets changed to vibrate. I leave the office for lunch, the profile changes again. Profile is based on my location and not time. This is the tip of the iceberg of what I can do with an app call Tasker. If I can think it, program it, tasker will do it. Best part, I don't need to root. Can the iPhone or any other smartphone do THIS? People that came from iPhones complain that Android does not have as many polish games and iOS or that the apps aren't polish in general. What you will notice is what set Android apart is all the trove of utility apps that will utilize what Android has to offer.

I'm done my rant and I'm out,

Roze
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
If you read the thread, I did get my phone returned. I read the contract and it there was a 50mb limit on internet sticks and tablets. Bell was just trying to pull a quick one on me.

You're right what makes android attractive is all the things you can do. What really turns ME off is that androids not as polished (yet). I only compare the Atrix to a computer only because it is trying to be a computer? Laptop dock?

Anyways, looks like my eyes weren't lying to me.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110406/tc_nf/78052

It's either the Iphone 5 or galaxy s2 with 2.3 now.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -Roze-:
See we have different perspectives there. I see the Atrix as a super phone while you see it as a mediocre computer due to the laptop dock. Well that thing is a fudge up gimick imo and it should not take away from the Atrix as a phone. If you look at the Atrix as a phone, then it is one amazing piece of **** even with bloody Blurr on it lol.

Android has gone far compared to the G1/Hero days and it only gets better with time :)

I do hope you stay Android and like the SGS2 when it comes out ;)
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gn0s1s:
no offense, but are you trolling? ARM architecture, is vastly different than x86, and so is a processor with a tdp of 95W vs a mobile cpu / SOC.

Iphone is for a different type of user, or rather has a more limited use case scenario set. Freeze out motoblur, and the atrix races along. no lag here.

I also have the xoom, and the ipad 2 and Xoom dominates applauncher2
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
how would i freeze motoblur?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smurfit:
First post by a lurker just to respond to me? I'm already an excellent troll.

Yes, I do hope I get the SGS2 (if it comes out earlier), I really want to give android another chance, gingerbread specifically. I read touchwiz is hardware accelerated too so that'll be a bonus. Sound hound + pirating music on the go is just mad pimp.

And I didn't even use a dock.

The Motoblur framework is what ****-blocked this phone, not the hardware. Don't you think a superphone should at least scroll smoothly in the apps menu with live wallpaper in the background? Did everything I could at the time. Freeze, launcher pro, task killer.

I'm currently on coop doing an I.T job so I believe I'm more of an android guy. However if I have to spend more energy than required to worry if my inputs will register, then it's not worth the hassle.

Why does everyone think I'm comparing this phone to a computer? What happened was, I thought going duel core was going to be enough to make this phone atleast run as smooth as the IP4. Is that too much to ask? A Smartphone is still more of an embedded system, and the atrix sucks at it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
how do u freeze motoblur?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -Roze-:
Lucky you! I still have the site saved: http://canadroid.com/2011/03/20/removing-moto-blur-from-your-bell-motorola-atrix/

I"m assuming you have a Bell Atrix. I didn't freeze everything on the list because I use some of them and I've frozen some others that weren't on the list because I don't use them, lol.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GibMcFragger:
You can use Titanium Backup (phone requires root) to "freeze" some of the Motoblur crap that runs in the background. Motoblur you can't actually do anything to get rid of, but you can stop some of the services, etc.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gn0s1s:
What you were comparing, was rather ridiculous. SOC systems on a power constrained mobile device, do not compare to a desktop processor on a completely different architecture with a completely different design purpose.

Android and the atrix is not an an embedded system, it has a general cpu and gpu.. not dsp's and microcontrollers, and its running an OS, for an "I.T." guy, I hope your expertise is in web dev or something, because your making yourself look a tad foolish trying to drop hardware knowledge you obviously can't differentiate.

As for being my first post and pulling me out of lurker. I come to xda, because there are a lot of really intelligent and knowledgable people who share their expertise... Your ridiculous comparison, brought me out of the woodwork as I was searching this thread for a real solution to 2.3 on the atrix in the near future.

Titanium back up, and freezing motoblur, using go launcher ex as a home program, there is no lag, smooth scrolling and 30 hours of batt life, using gps, and having the water live background... the only thing that kills batt i ve found it background data positioning, so if i m stationary, ie in the office, i turn it off, if you want slick scolling between selecting apps, stop flaming on Android with your enlightened opinion and go get an iphone
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] noxlord:
Since Bell generally suck at updates, I brought a att phone and unlocked it for Rogers. Now my phone is tied to a much larger userbase :D
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -Roze-:
Ah smart you, I wish I did that too :( I was betting on that the Bell version didn't have a capped HSUPA :(

Rocking my Bell Atrix!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] y2whisper:
that and you didn't have to worry about things like side loading which now takes 5 min to add on the at&t version.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blunted09:
does anybody actually have any news about gingerbread coming to our atrix? Will it more catered to dual core?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danboard:
Only 2.4 and 3.0 will fully support dual cores; 2.3 will not.

As for a release date considering the AT&T one is stated for Q2 I would expect bell to have it by early Q3
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hluk:
cool... was looking for this and what should be done
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rantatron:
I stopped in a Bell store last week and the guy I struck up a conversation with said 2-3 months.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CaelanT:
Why would you visit 5 different stores???

I've told you ten million times, do not exhagerate!!!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] freedom_il:
A friend got me the Atrix from Bell and on the launch it was sold out in a few stores for a couple of days in Montreal. It is possible that they got a small supply but still, Atrix sold quite well on launch.

It is an enthusiast phone and most enthusiasts get their devices as soon as possible, usually. Some even pre-order or buy online.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jawsh.:
get out of canada, atrix is a bad ass phone, its unfortunate you suck at life ;(
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jrochet:
Haha, this post explains everything about you.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] htc fan89:
Iphone 4 is not a super fast device and it shows checker board pattern when scrolling fast in the browser.The android devices I used don't show this in the browser. :p
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marko!:
whats the problem?

I got my atrix the other day and I don't see what everyone's problem is. Its a beast of a phone even without 2.3 for now I'd say its better than anything else you can get in Canada. I had a galaxy s and did fine while waiting for froyo so if you are impatient im sure you can figure out how to root and install custom roms for your taste of gingerbread.

As for me ill be laughing with my dual cores as you guys settle for a 800mhz desire z or something.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] y2whisper:
Or sell the atrix and get the galaxy S 2 when it arrives this side.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aimer:
Unless motorola is going to release another dual core phone with gingerbread before the s2 comes out then I'm sure they'll push out 2.3 soon in order to stay competative with samsung
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] y2whisper:
you would hope so but who knows I mean the S2 is coming out in the UK as the Atrix is being released at the same time. Overall it would be nice to get 2.3.4 on here and see what this thing can really do.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChongoDroid:
What does being in canada have anything to do with it? Speaking of sucking at life....

Sent from my Motorola Olympus
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
Gingerbread will be released, then question is when?

If it takes too long, then that adds to the doubt if ICS will "Officially" come out...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Knocturnal88:
I have no idea where this guy got his info... I got my atrix about 3 weeks, the bell store was completely packed, the only phone i saw people leaving with was the atrix. I later went back during the day and several days later and again the atrix was the only phone that was selling. I find it hard to believe that my city is the only place where the atrix is dominating smartphone sales.

From what i read, froyo is the main issue with the phone. I have yet to complain, so i cannot even imagine what gingerbread will do for this phone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ccrows:
Motoblur and the locked bootloader are the main issues with this phone...
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Atrix has sold pretty decent in BC according to some friends of mine that work at Wireless Wave. Can't wait for Gingerbread update to come out!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SweetStratus:
love my atrix just got it couple days ago. Reading up on gingerbread its out on att right now so hope soon here. In my reading it looks really good. As the saying goes..."good things come to those who wait" lol. just surfing and looking for cool apps. i cant wait for gingerbread to come. i love android phones before atrix was on rogers for 3 years using the acer liquid e phone then went to bell n got the bb torch had it for like a week took it back. i hated bbm n bb their browser is so slow. i took it back under buyer remorse and got the atrix and fell in love. its so fast and it is a "Super" phone thats for sure. If anyone can suggest cool apps etc or send me the link on this forum i can see on apps. I came on this site googling gingerbread for bell lol. thanks for the help in advance
[Captivate General] Joey1.0:
I've tried the drivers from Samsung, Keis, ODIN one click. None of them worked on 4 different machines, Windows 7 both x64 and x86(which was a fresh install), and two Windows XP machines. I tried it on Ubuntu(10.04 LTS) and that recognized the captivate.

Anyone know how to get one of those to correctly recognize my Captivate so I don't stuck on Samsung's/AT&T's 2.2 :(
[Captivate General] trell959:
uninstall all of the driver that you downloaded. uninstall kies. then go to samsung.com search for the captivate, choose you phone, click the 'i own this' button. then go to get downloads, software. click on the .zip file icon next to usb drivers. if that didnt work uninstall them then download kies again. if it still doesn't install them, open kies, click menu, reinstall drivers
[Captivate General] bornjamerican:
What is it that you're trying to do?
[Captivate General] shinji257:
If it is coming up unknown device try another port. You may want to try another microusb cable as well.
[Captivate General] Johnnie5000:
I've always had luck with the drivers in the captivate aio toolbox. Even on a fresh win7 64bit when I replaced my boot drive with a ssd a month ago.
[Captivate General] Joey1.0:
Samsung really failed at the USB drivers for the Captivate. I would expect to be able to install the drivers from their website. Plug in my phone, and have it working.

I tried that before, didn't work.

I'm trying to:

1) connect as a mass storage devices. Yes I know turn on USB debugging and to mount the drive.

2) flash back to stock 2.1 or root my phone so I can install a custom ROM on it. Might go with CM7/MiUi or something from Team Phoenix. So use Odin3

Tried all of the ports on the computers. I don't have another microusb cable to test to see if that's the problem, but I'll check that tomorrow.

I'm going to try a fresh install of windows 7 32-bit with aio toolbox see if that works.

Tried my friends brand new microUSB cable. It worked.
[Captivate General] rmriggin:
I have tried 4 known good cables know, 4 different computers and every USB port available on all 4 of the PCs I tried. Only once did it identify the device and install the drivers and I was able to root it but I still can't sideload because after the reboot after rooting it is back to device not recognized/unknown device. This has been a total pain. Any suggestions? I'm not with AT&T any more so I am out of luck for just bringing it into a store and asking them to take care of it.

Edit: Sorry for bumping an older post but I did it instead of starting a new thread.