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[Venue Pro General] missionsparta:
I don't think it needs a hardware anti-shake feature. I have placed the unit on a table which should stop the shaking and it is still blurry. If you look, when this happens it normally is the people or other animate subjets that are mainly blurred. I think the shutter speed is just way to slow.

The camera is the worst I have seen. I have tested it compared to my son's Fisher-Price camera (I AM NOT KIDDING) and the fisher price actually takes better pictures.

Right now other phones are getting things like being able to lock out the bottom of the screen (search, home, back) when playing games. A TON of the games are unplayable because you keep accidently touch that section. They need this locked now. But instead of tweeking the device like I was just talking, we are begging them to just get the thing to run.

Yes, Dell could throw their hands up and say we are done. But since they aren't going out of business, good luck with that. I think the FCC and/or some legal matter would come from that. I also will belive Mango on these things when I see it. My unit can't handle what it is asked to do. I can only imagine it going into Cardiac-Arrest the second it sees Mango.

For most of us, the shelf life is more than half-over. We are just waiting for a good quality T-Mobile, WinMo7 Alternative. When that comes, the majority of us will be gone and Dell wll never see a penny from us again.

The biggest issue with what has happened here, is not really the problem. It was the fact that Dell refused to address and respond publicly on these lemons. They knew they were defective. They ignored it and kept selling it to the next set of suckers that were unaware. Then when the heat really got on, they lied, lied some more, then continued to lie. I have head FOUR different firmware dates from their tech department. Just keep laying to get them out of our hair for another 3 weeks. Now that people realize they were just BS everyone and are starting to get irrate, they are back to hiding like a bunch of cowards and saying nothing.

Michael Dell and all those in charge are CROOKS. I don't care if they wear suits. This is still crooked as all hell. None of us could get away with selling someone a car with no motor, and then hide from them for 7 months, and then when the heat gets on throw them some old junked up motor. They should be in jail. Not because the units have issues. But because they knew/know they have MAJOR issues stopping them from performing their basic use, and yet the continued to still sell them. Absolutely disgusting.
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
My Dell replacement unit arrived today. I was expecting for this unit to either have the 206 firmware or the "super secret" firmware beyond build 206.

My replacement ended up being the old, old, old 105 f/w build with build 7004 of the OS. I wasted 58 minutes demanding a phone with the updated firmware and this is what they give me. Simply... incredible.

I hope the news tomorrow isn't an announcement to announce a f/w update in the weeks to come.
[Venue Pro General] fuzzysmith:
I just got a new replacement (5th one). It's running FW 206 and still freezing. Although...it seems to freeze in a different way now. Wifi and BT not an issue. Camera still blows.
[Venue Pro General] raiderfan247365:
I just ordered a DVP two days ago, supposed to get my phone Thursday. I will post what firmware it comes with, if it gets here on time that is, because as of today my order had not been processed :(
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Folks, i don't think many understood what me, domineus and jessej have been saying.

******Dont expect the new FW to suddenly appear in new/replacement devices atleast for a month or so******

Its in Beta testing and will take couple of weeks to get to PD and eventually tricle to new/replacement devices. Having said that, if you can, please hold off buying new DVP or requesting replacement DVP's.
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
But I do unerstand what you have been saying, and still I am expecting that bloody firmware update that you guys are enjoying. I'm curious, what did you consider firmware "206" to be? GM-release? I'm pretty sure that was beta, too, yet there are people out there with that firmware release.

I have been using this stupid phone for 6 months now, and paid a ridiculous amount for it, too (unsubsidized phone). I feel I should at least be expecting this.

In fact, after receiving the replacement phone and becoming very disappointed in Dell, a fired a response to them and carbon copied it to Michael Dell. There appears to be two known e-mail address for that guy. I hope there aren't more lol. Had I known the e-mail addresses of Lionel (Dell's blogger) and Joe Belfiore, I would have Cc:ed the response to them, too.

I'm very tired of this waiting game and quite frankly, I'm a bit pissed off that the beta testing of that firmware you're using right now appears to be exclusive only to you three.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
mataku =(

look I understand your frustration but at the same time isn't it enough to hear that Dell is actively working on the problem - something that many of us have said they weren't doing and they are.

The beta isn't complete without some bugs. We've already had bug ridden devices ad nauseum. Do we really want any more? Honestly?

Sure let's release the firmware if we could. Then have some issues on a massive scale. Really?

Just give it time. Notebookgrail as indicated all he could. The article I'm writing is doing all I can here. The beta fixes the wifi bug but there are some minor bugs still. Give it time
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
206 is a PD firmware for Dell. Just that MS hasn't scheduled to release it becos of known issues not fixed in it. The new FW which is in Beta is specific to the major issues we all raised thru various channels and that it has got just recently to a point where its stable.

I completely understand your frustation. Even i am in the same boat. But, at-least we should be happy that a few of our community members got access to it (loaned) and its re-assuring to see it first hand the issues fixed. I am sure in the coming weeks, we will have a clear picture on dates. Good thing about all this we have a channel to hear our voices. Up until now, we all have been voicing in a alien world.
[Venue Pro General] cnjvh:
Will we have to get a replacement device to get the firmware? I see alot of comments about new and replacement devices but not existing ones. My device is working well at the moment (except for showing 256mb RAM and not 512) so I dont really want to take the chance of trading it in. Just want the memory issue resolved.

Will this update be available through the phone's or Zune's update functions?

Thanks!
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Yes, it will be available thru Zune for existing devices.
[Venue Pro General] cnjvh:
Sweet, thanks : - )
[Venue Pro General] missionsparta:
A month or so? What the flying *** have the been doing? These things have been POS out of the box since mid-December. Now we are looking at the end of JULY? F*** that and F*** them. There is absolutely no reason anyone should be happy or "accept" this. They need to start issuing checks to everyone for employing them as BETA testers for the past 7 months. There is no way they should be keeping the full amount that we paid. They build crap and then want to profit off of it?

Here is to hoping Michael Dell comes down with a horrible case of gonorrhea.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
here's an idea

if you don't like the dvp sell it. Get a new flipping device. First you gripe that dell hasn't been working on it. Now they are. Now you're saying you wait a bit to ensure all bugs are fixed and you still aren't satisfied?

FFS if you are so upset with dell, so upset with the venue pro, just sell the device instead of kvetching about it. I'm not suggesting that you don't have a right to be upset. We all do. But then, its being upset and when there is an actual rapport with dell, you're still upset. You can't have it both ways. Period

For the users that do want some information about the changes, we will post and keep posting to ensure a direct dialog with dell and users that like to be informed.
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
Couldn't agree more. Thanks for keeping us informed.
[Venue Pro General] RandomXIII:
The DVP is easily the best WP7 devices out there and I am willing to wait for an update to make this device better. In the mean time, if you want to reduce the frequency of problem occuring, you can replace the microsd card yourself. Mine now is running on a 16GB Class 2 Sandisk and there have been very few problems. No marketplace lockup, whatsoever. No need to keep the warranty if you keep on getting craps once you send in. Gotta thanks notebookgrail and domineus for stepping up and keeping us informed.
[Venue Pro General] nakedtiger:
this could be a dumb question but when they release the mango,

should we wait for dell to release DVP version or is this something we can download and apply immediately ?
[Venue Pro General] missionsparta:
Easily the best... To get it to work properly swap your SD card, void your warranty, and then you will only have some crashes.

LMFAO.... Do you work for Dell?

Bad news ... Most people agree it is the WORST of all the devices.
[Venue Pro General] Kenji117:
It is basically. It was mentioned earlier that new models will come with the updated f/w before its able to be updated to via phone due to M$ procedures.

If Dell were intelligent in the slightest they would have spent the last 6 months working with M$ to make sure that when the new f/w was ready that it would able to be released over the air immediately. However, I am sure we can all agree they aren't the smartest kids on the block and rather it seems somebody has caused some massive brain damage to the child that would be Dell so, we are stuck with phones that are subpar to the others in all aspects related to the software and the camera. Oh but don't worry we are getting an update but it will take forever to get and seeing as Dell rides the short bus to school you might actually see Mango before you see this supposed magical update that fixes everything.

Dell, if it were a child, is a savant because they are really fracking good at dangling that update in front of us and we just keep believing them and waiting just hoping that this update that's coming will possibly release sometime before our contracts are up and we move to non dell products. I think the next time around we will all be a little more willing to get a phone with a lesser form factor in favor of getting the one that has been proven to work.
[Venue Pro General] RandomXIII:
If you don't like it, why keeping it and continue crapping this thread ? I have a Samsung Focus but I keep on going back to the Dell because of the keyboard and the AMOLED screen has cooler color tone, which is easier than my eyes. After you replace the sd card, it will work 99% of the time with no freeze at all. There is no need to put pressure on the guys because they are only messengers. They are not the one in charge of the release. If you are still frustrated, take it to Dell, sell your DVP on ebay, or destroy it, whatever suits you...
[Venue Pro General] missionsparta:
Because I shouldn't have to shell out another $500 because some crook named Michael Dell stole my first $500.

Sell it on Ebay? And pull exactly what Dell is doing and selling a POS to some unsuspecting sole? I have morals. And if you haven't noticed we have been taking it to Dell. If you don't like what the hell we have to say, shove it in your ear, up your arse, or whatever suits you. I am tired of companies ripping people off and people like you coming along to act like it should be on the consumers side to just walk away. That is what Dell is hoping. I paid $500 for this POS. I shouldn't have to sell it on Ebay, argue with them for months on end, or throw it in the trash. For $500 I should just have to turn the God Damn thing on.
[Venue Pro General] Necrothug:
Thing is, as a consumer the only true way to tell a company how you feel is to not purchase from them again/at all.
[Venue Pro General] RandomXIII:
I understand your frustration but how about take it back to Dell and demand your money back. I heard some guys on other forum did that and succeeded. Also, Focus is dirt cheap on ebay, you can grab one in very great conditions for only about 200 buck or so.
[Venue Pro General] missionsparta:
I already have gone that route. Long story but they will only give me half the money back. And tha goes back to the same thing. I am not spending another dime to get another WinMo7 phone. The simple awnser is, no I will not buy from them EVER again, but I also am not going to just lay down dead and say, "well the got my $500". I have done that way to much with the crap they shove out the door now a days. If it was $40, maybe. But they can give me a full refund or nothing. And you just pointed out another problem -- Dell is offering different solutions for different people. Some people call to try to swap their phone out (which doesn't help - they are all messed up) and they go ahead and ship them. Other people are told, to bad - they just have to wait for an update.

Sorry for going off on you, but I have worked for companies like this before. One of the possibilities for a solution they do look at, is the possibility of just waiting the consumer out and believing they will just give up and move on. That is criminal as all hell.
[Venue Pro General] Necrothug:
Actually, I don't think it is criminal.

Here's the deal though, everyone here on this thread knows you are pissed. Is there any real reason for you to keep beating this dead horse? You've ranted to the point of insulting other posters. Time to take your anger elsewhere, because its doing no good here.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
but after all that voicing of your issue and not going toward any other option, you're stuck waiting just like the rest of us are doing - waiting...

So you may not like the wait answer but its the only one you got :rolleyes:
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
I've read through this thread and I can't seem to pick out what firmware you guys are complaining about...I got a DVP for my birthday from a carrier that usually has low-quality phones. According to the phone the firmware is 2250.1800.7355.209 with OS version 7.0.7392

Is this what everybody is complaining about? My phone locked up once since I've had it and that was because I was trying to download 7 apps and sync 500 messages to my email, while connected to Wifi.

What I am mainly concerned with the DVP is the lack of editing the registry. I know Notebookgrail is almost there because he made a compass (and the flashlight)

So yes. We are waiting. Waiting for the next big thing which could be 1 of 3 things: Mango, this Firmware Update, or somebody finding a registry hack.
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
Some of us still have the firmware since the phone was launched -- 2250.1500.7004.105.

One thing I would like to know is why does Microsoft allow Dell to release new phones with a "209" firmware when they themselves will not push it through the Zune software?
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
Any news on the info that is supposed to be released today? Can you just spill the beans for us and be done with it?
[Venue Pro General] Theycallme Tim:
Thanks

Just wanted to thank you and the others who have been working on this. I think the DVP has the potential to be an exceptional phone and appreciate the work of everyone who has been trying to come up with a stable fix.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
yes I can

as soon as it's posted on wmpu =)
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
Updates ARE exciting...when will it be posted on wmpu?
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
in the next hour or so.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
it should be but ugh so much crap ... I'll ... get on it
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
go forth its ONLINE

http://wmpoweruser.com/dell-venue-pro-users-new-fw-report/
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
That was a good read. Since I experience signal drops when going from G-E-3G-H (if that is the correct order) and some camera instability. I assume this firmware update will go beyond the .209?
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
The FW number depends.

For TMO beyond 206

For ATT beyond 209

For Generic (non US) - beyond 210
[Venue Pro General] Arcarsenal:
An interesting read that's for sure. A nice list of changes as well. Does it also address the RAM amount misreporting?

For those of us who have had the DVP since November of last year, does that make us Alpha testers for this device? I'm happy things are finally moving but it's pretty incredible I've had the phone for about 7 months and Dell is still working on a stable firmware for it with no ETA. Wouldn't mind be added to the Beta program either.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Yes, RAM is reported correctly.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
The 209 firmware was on the dell for att. 210 was on the free market phoned. 206 was supposed to be the northamerican firmware for nodo. All of this is usual
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
nods

to add no idea whether or not dell will go over a few more revisions either...I mean save from camera flash and a few finaggling issues, its solid I can definitely say that. But other experiences vary so its difficult to determine whether it will work.

Plus the article noted that there is a microsd issue that is still intermittent that caused a lot of the issues. So we will see, but I am glad that the reactions on the articles so far are positive
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
I just got a radio upgrade for my DVP from my carrier. They say it will allow me to access the new 4g network the carrier is putting up. Anybody ever had a radio upgrade?

Also, I suspect my carrier buys its phones en masse from manufacturers. So would that be make the phone "generic" ?
[Venue Pro General] RandomXIII:
Make me extremely curious what firmware you guys are using ? Would you mind use Windows Phone 7 Backup Tools to back up the current firmware and share with the xda communities ?

Another month is way too long, considering that we have waited like 7 months already.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
it very well could but it depends on carrier...if so kudos!

but I wonder is it an ATT subsidiary...

as far as firmware cues. we tried to swap firmwares from backups pre nodo. It didn't work =(
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Or it can be based on the bands your carrier uses...att or tmo. Makes sense if you have att bands that you would use the att phones..including fw
[Venue Pro General] gmontem:
Thanks, but that really does not answer my question. Let me change the wording a little --

One thing I would like to know is why does Microsoft allow Dell to release new phones with a "206/209/210" firmware when they themselves will not push it through the Zune software?
[Venue Pro General] raremage:
It sounds as if you're a bit confused over the way the partnership between Microsoft and the hardware vendors works. Dell determines the firmware updates; microsoft determines the software updates, in cooperation with the hardware vendors and the carriers.

So Microsoft can't exactly 'veto' any firmware chages. That's up to the hardware vendor (Dell) with possible input from the carrier.
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
Well the phones do require sim cards. Does ATT use sim cards? I thought they didnt..
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
AT&T?? Yes....TMO and ATT use sim cards. Verizon and Sprint are CDMA...though Verizon 4g requires a sim card....
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Besides what Rare Mage said, a lot of times, the firmware is regional. There could be requirements regionally, for radio, or even legally like in the EU, that require something different from the other regions.
[Venue Pro General] jruser:
Do AT&T models also get this new firmware, or is this only a T-Mobile thing. Also, will the AT&T models ever get the 7392 update that everybody else gets?
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
Oh yeah it seems everybody forgot that ATT and T Mo are merging....what will this do to the diversity of phones? Will T Mo still be T Mobile?
[Venue Pro General] cdgoin:
Wrong.. ! A LOT Of us have phones with no problems. (No more than son with HD7).. and due to the unique form factor the DVP IS considered the best of the WP7 phones and everyone at Tmobile and Best Buy that have seen mine are baffled as to why its not in the real market. The online only sales thing is biggest problem for the DVP phone sales. Dell like MS is apparently horrible at advertising and promoting the unique features of the phone / OS.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
That remains to be seen. AT&T had a different FW to start with and I would be willing to bet, a different build of WP7. Whether this means the new FW will accommodate all across the board...don't know. Heck, AT&T users have all summer to think about that one.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Umm.....ahhhh.....you're not supposed to mention that you do not have a problem. Its unheard of to have a Dell without a problem...even though I personally know 7 Dell owners without problems...shhhhshhhhh....Taboo to be ok around here. I changed my avatar to one that has problems....so no one would know.
[Venue Pro General] notebookgrail:
Yes, ATT also will get this new FW. Timing will be different depending how ATT approves it. Next week one of us will provide details on the dates.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Scratching my head to figure out how, what you said, has anything to do with firmware...or even the Dell :p

It'll be a year for approval...and probably a year or so for adoption before what we knew as TMOBILE becomes assimilated. By then what we knew as the Dell Venue Pro and its WiFi freeze problems will be replaced by Quad Core X2 overheating issues and 20 minute battery life.:o
[Venue Pro General] Thunder_47:
I was alluding to the fact that it seems that ATT and TMO have the DVP but not the same firmware.

EDIT: As Alodar1 said, Dells are not without their problems. However, I have had a Dell Studio 15 and have experienced absolutely zero problems with it. Its been through 3 years of intense college lifestyle, and it still has its "Windows Vista" Sticker on it.
[Venue Pro General] Poopants:
It seems to me that the FW update is being held back by Microsoft. I'd guess it's being rolled into the Dell version of Mango. This way MS doesn't risk getting the WP7 brand tarnished further by Dell's problems. Think about it, all the crashing issues are very old news at this point. Any release of a patch would cause a rash of news stories about WP7 and Dell. Probably there will be new problems to replace the old ones, which would damage the WP7 name even further. By rolling it into Mango, any Dell update issues in the press will be swamped by many competing WP7 stories about every other platform out there.

In addition: All this while Microsoft prepares for a possible Nokia acquisition? Even a small dip in their stock price could make the financials of such a deal considerably worse for Redmond.

PS: The DVP's camera is steaming pile of garbage beyond merely the default prefs. My lens is perma-fogged; it also embeds a permanent burn-in pattern to every image. Perhaps this was caused by the digital excrement inside my device. It can't be cleaned off from the outside. Also, to not have custom ringtones is the worst ever... at the very least, let me upload an MP3 to my Windows Live account and let my phone download to the WP7 filesystem!

PPS: As others have noted, the T-Mobile insurance doesn't even cover this model. If you ever need to invoke your coverage, it's cheaper to pay the T-Mobile early termination fee and start an all-new contract with an all-new subsidized phone. Otherwise you'll get a random phone of T-Mobile's choice or you can buy a replacement DVP at full retail.
[Venue Pro General] raremage:
So, the stickers are made by Microsoft. How's the rest of it?
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
look

if you're going to propose assumptions, that's not going to help anyone and only bring confusion to the issue

the update is not going to be bundled in mango

as for the ringtone thing, the chevron ringtone manager still works pretty well until mango