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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] htowngator:
I wouldn't mind if it had their proprietary SoC as what really matters in these tablets is the GPU. It seems the T2 chipset is getting a bit long-in-the-tooth despite not being heavily utilized yet. If Samsung is pairing with the Adreno 220 then that's better than the Tegra 2.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Toss3:
Why would they add an adreno 220, when a Mali-400 would be a lot better? Seems like an odd choice to me. Also that prototype is running Tegra 2(assuming it's the same device that's been shown off at other venues).

Maybe we'll see the Adreno 220s on the SGSII as well?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Magnesus:
Wasn't the prototype just a 10.1v?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Eclair~:
@Toss3

Presumably, the SGS2 will be equipped the dual-core Exynos clocked at 1.2GHz. I say "presumably" because, just like now, Samsung hasn't revealed the true name of the processor, only the clock speed.

Oddly enough, there will also be a Tegra 2 version of the SGS2.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/06/...ayed-until-may-o/&category=classic&postPage=1
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Toss3:
I knew that, but why would the Galaxy Tab 10.1 be equipped with a custom Exynos version instead of the ones used in the SGS II?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] lilstevie:
Adreno220 seems a little out of place in the samsung ecosystem. why wouldn't they just use the SGX545 like what is in the A5, The A4 is similar to the hummingbird chip as they are both samsung designed, there is no reason that it won't have the A5 core just with the differences in configuration like what the hummingbird is to the A4
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
That is exactly what I think :-)

I suppose Exynos is the heart of iPad2 ;-).

one both chips are cut thorough we will know.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SteveSlimer:
Did anyone read that article about the differences in the A4 vs the A5?

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4215094/A5--All-Apple--part-mystery?pageNumber=4

It would be interesting to see what is being used by the extra space.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
And there was something like that shown in March:

http://armdevices.net/2011/03/03/ha...-a9-1ghz-dual-core-in-10-1-capacitive-tablet/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] KriXou:
I vote for Exynos, expecting it to decode HighProfile h264 !

I'm looking for a tablet that can play videos, don't mind about the tegra/gaming-zone
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
After some thought, video decoding is not my high priority because I would prefer to stream my videos from my NAS rather than copy it to the storage :)

Good quality movies will easily take 2GB or more ...

Streaming would be OK for me, with less quality.

If I want to watch in HQ, I will use my media player ... Hey, I will be at home anyway.

Things will be different if I am going on vacation though ... In that case, gaming all round :P
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SteveSlimer:
This article has the tegra 2 as the SoC.

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/comparisons/876054/samsung_galaxy_tab_89_vs_apple_ipad_2.html

I like the 170dpi of the 8.9 screen. Awesome.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
They do not say what would be the source for this news. Plus both Tegra 2 and A5 are the same (considering cores) - same ARM design (if I am right).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] SteveSlimer:
The A5 is a completely different chip, but made by Samsung for Apple. Have you seen the pictures of the A5?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
They look different because they are SoC type chipsets. This means that the design (what else is added to the chipset) can vary. For exammple GPS, BT, GPU, etc.. All this can be different or even not included.

But the core this 1 Ghz "CPU" should be the same as both Nvidia, Exynos, A5, Qualcomm, TI are made under ARM license. All new chipsets are ARM platform, if they are 2 cores it means they are same generation ARM platform. And since they all use the same, outside design how can they be different?

It is not as with x86 platform and AMD and Intel chipsets. There is not x86 company that almost every year prepare new, better design of the CPU. This is why AMD and Intel CPU's are completely different, but because they are x86 platform they have backward compability.

At least this is my thinking and understanding of the whole ARM design and licences thing (all ARM SoC manufacturers are paying for design to ARM - http://www.arm.com/). If I am wrong, please correct me.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] foxmeister:
Not necessarily true!

Most of the chips you mention are based on ARM Cortex cores, which they essentially "drop in" to their SoC, but the Qualcomm Snapdragon is not - it is a completely custom design by Qualcomm that is ARMv7 instruction set compatible.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] foxmeister:
Errhh, sorry you're wrong on this point too! ;)

The latest Snapdragon, the MSM8660, is a dual core part and will be in the HTC Sensation released this month.

Getting back on topic though, I believe both the new Samsung Tabs will be Tegra-2, for two reasons:

1. It is quicker and easier to get them to the market as they won't need to write Honeycomb drivers for another GPU.

2. Exynos yields are rumoured to be quite low.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
I see your point, thx.

But :-)

Samsung (ppl. behind it) are not an idiots. You do not spend money and time on something you will not produce in sufficient quantities.

Maybe...

Smartphones are not that important (regarding video playback) and all Exynos chips that will not be used in tablets will be used in phones. But since not many will be left Samsung had to seek outside help.

Otherwise I see no point in going through all the trouble in making Exynos in the first place. Also, one would expect that with time amounts of Exynos produced will grow (so Samsung has enough for himself and can sell them to others). I wonder how fresh are the news about this low yield. Your link is "fresh" but I read about it at least few months ago.

I suppose only time will tell.

The only thing is that if you are right than all those nice 10.1 tablets, perfect for videos are a bit useless and the only one that actually can play all videos (iPad2) has wrong ratio of the screen, lower res. and "closed" environment ;-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
Here it is, Mali benchmark:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked

Not quite impressive ...

Still wanting Exyonos? :)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] veeeee:
You are linking to a article that is from way back in feb..

Exynos is outperforming tegra2 according to this thread in the galaxy s II forum.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=978113&page=20
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
I do not believe in those benchmarks.

Benchmarking in general (with x86) is not always accurate and its scores do not really correspond (at least not always) with real life and what is more important with UX.

With ARM SoC's it is even more problematic. As you yourself noticed from out posts - they are only similar to each other but not exactly the same. What is more ARM platform needs (at least it seems so) a bit more tweaking in order to get the most out of each chip.

I would say it is similar to GPU in x86 platform. All cards will work (you will get a picture) under general Windows driver for VGA but UX, probalby older ones might even behave better than newest chips like GF 7xx or Radeon HD 6xxx. Would that mean they are better? Nope... new cards just need proper drivers.

So, to be frank - I do not care about those benchmarks. I do not say I want Exynos for 100% but I do know I do not want a Tegra in my tablet. At least not when (with 3G inside) it costs around $500 (and I still need a netbook).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] juanzr1:
Hummingbird out performs all other 1ghz chips. And exynos will out perform all dual core chips
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] hensk:
that is NOT entirely true m8, Hummingbird is "slow" ONLY because of file system RFS

and its feel slow only benchmak the test

otherwise behavior is very smooth

I have on 2.2.1 withouth lagfix(converted RFS to ext4) benchmark test over 1300

with ext4 is over 2200

I hope Samsung will never use again RFS:rolleyes::D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Can't wait for it.:D

My only (other) worry is... when will we see a 3G version???
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ENIljj6BnV8

Listen to his comment between 0:20 and 0:40 :-(

I wonder what his source is and why on earth would Samsung make a secret out of it???????
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] hensk:
Maybe he thoughts only of the EU 10.1 tablets

US tablet another story
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Shut UP :D As always... same story.... on what do base your statement that GT 10.1 in US will be sold with Exynos and the one in Europe with Tegra...???

It is not like it is cheaper here :-)

We are no worse than you!!! (Samsung - don't you dare to do something like this!!!!)

If I would want Tegra I would have bought Transformer.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kytz:
A random guy on Youtube doesn't know any more than we do. I don't think he has access to any secret source nobody else knows about. We'll just have to wait for an official announcement.

I bet it has Tegra 2, but I'm just guessing, just like everybody else.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
Samsung did this with Nexus S :)

Some countries (US and UK) get Super Amoled on Nexus S.

Some other countries get SLCD.

So yes, Samsung might be doing that ...

And for sure, I will get the Tegra 2 version !
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
So... in another words you think there will also be an Exynos ver :-)

Whatever the truth is... the only logical explanation of not confirming Tegra inside new GT10.1 is:

1. There will be 2 versions - as if there is not enough confusion with 10.1 and 10.1v already :-)

2. There will only be Exynos version... - very unlikely.

I am pretty confident that no 1 is true so my only concern is will Exynos be in Europe and if not will guarantee for units from US (with Exynos) be honoured in in EU.

And if this is the case... Tegra to EU and Exynos to US I would love to know why in such an order. What was the reasoning behind decision like this....

I do hope that (EU) will get both versions since manufacturers here have to give 2 years of warranty for all products.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
I don't know what the reason, but what I usually see ... US and UK are the two most important markets for all those manufactures. Like it or not, but that's the fact. They always get first, for whatever, most of the time.

So, expect a better one on US and UK.

Though, this is not always and not on all cases!

If that happen, no worries ... just order one from UK or US :P

I did that for my Nexus S, so I got the Super Amoled version, guaranteed.

And I read somewhere that Samsung is unlikely to be able to fullfil the demand with all Exynos. Search the news of Samsung Galaxy S II with Tegra "samsung galaxy s2 tegra" on Google.

You will get the answer.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
If it will reach UK I am cool. :-)

Buying from US is more difficult.

So... when due in UK? :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] K-DoG7p7:
I live in Norway and so far we have never gotten the subpar version of a phone. And we usually get them first (and the updates first )

and that's because the carrier have no say
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kauka187:
Wasnt this due to stock availability of amoled screens rather than samsung releasing differing displays dependant on region?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
That's part of the reason, yes.

To make it easy and more structural (I think), Samsung simply break down the supply per region. Instead of mixing several types in one market, which I think will be a mess (people might face 2 types of the same product in the same store!).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Well... in case of EU treating UK as a separate market is just plain stupid :-) (must be still this old thinking...).

EU is more like US in this case... big shops operate within hole EU and form customer pov it does not really matter if the shop is in Poland or UK.

I just bought my graphic card in France and within 4 days it was at my home (as it would be if I would buy form Polish online shop).

Samsung Poland will have to fix my tab regardless of the EU country I bought it in.

So.. if new GT 10.1 with Exynos will be offered in UK but not in Europe most of ppl. "who know what they are buying" will simply buy in UK (I am already sorry for local retailers) - does not sound really fair....

It is like in US... saying that GT10.1 (with Exynos) will only be offered in California... :-)

PS. BTW Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 Extreme - is awesome! ;-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
That's true, it seems not fair.

But, if you follow some discussions, there are supporters for Super Amoled as well as SLCD. For example: SLCD supporters will say "better color" and "sharper", Super Amoled uses Pentile ... etc. etc.

Even there is a specific thread on Nexus S to discuss this topic:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1031760

Funny, UK is not mentioned there as specific region for Super Amoled.

Me, for example, I want Super Amoled so I can put black wallpaper for more battery life saver. That's why I bought mine from UK (I live in Europe, but not in UK).

Back to the GTab. As you knew already, there are people who want Tegra 2 instead of Exynos hehehehe ....

So, it is good that people can have choice!

Although, this is NOT good because of more "fragmentation" (Gosh! I hate this word!).

Tegra 2 "ONLY" games, in my opinion, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!!!!
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
You are right.

And to be completely honest I do not care what is inside of the tablet. I do not even wish to know (I am not an engineer nor developer). I simply want a device for almost a 1000 bucks to work as promised (back in 2010) and advertised.

I do not wish to be forced to choose is I want to play games or watch movies. For something that was supposed to replace my netbook/laptop, is more expensive and is being advertised as ideal for both it should do both.

This is the reason I do not own iPad2... but now I start to wonder that I migh be wrong.

With AVPlayerHD it will probably play everything.

Hulu - no problem.

Netflix - no problem.

If I will only be able to confirm that all those movies can be played from NAS drive I will start to think of it seriously.

Games? - plenty!

If it only would not be Apple and if I would not have to have iTunes on my system... :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Chandelure:
For the people who in the above posts.

I think we should have Exynos. Otherwise the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is just another honeycomb slate.

I know I probably won't buy it if it's Tegra 2.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Count me in!!! ;)

As far as I can see it, case is quite simple.

As a Tegra 2 tablet it is lights and thinnest but not the best. Here my vote would go with Transformer.

As a Tegra 2 tablet it is also not as good as its nearest (price wise) competitor iPad 2, nor as know, nor as established (not to mention all the fuss... 10.1v.. 10.1 - unnecessary mess in customers heads).

But at least the way I see it with Exynos inside it will be most complete. It will play movies and games. It will be better than iPad 2 and it will be better than other 10.1" Honeycomb tablets.

And since we are in the topic of SoC's...

Next Tegra (Asus is apparently working hard on those devices...) is Quad core Tegra 3 (alias Kal El)... what is next from Samsung?

One more thought:

Every one (iPad fans, Tegra 2 fans, Qualcomm, etc... - "even God damn librarians, I men every one" should wish Samsung to succeed in this (SoC) field.

More products to choose=better/more competitive prices=better chips, etc...

I would love even more manufactures in as fast as possible. Worst that can happen is to have just 2 companies competing like in AMD/ATI vs Intel (CPU's) and Amd/ATI vs Nvidia (graphics cards). I can bet that with more companies competing we would have even lower prices and better products (or at least customer care ;-) ).

Have you guys heard that Apple is thinking about ditching Intel in favour of ARM?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Chandelure:
AGREED!

It would be funny if iOs switched to ARM and Android switched to Intel. :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Magnesus:
Android doesn't switch - it expands. I would be surprised if there wasn't any HoneyComb tablet running on Intel this year. Intel said they are working on it.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dscline:
I don't think there's any need to guess. This video (which looks like it could be made by Samsung) shows it with Nvidia Tegra Zone, at around the 11:20 mark:

[YOUTUBE]rtqXLGPzVMk[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] riqjuan:
That video is of the 10.1v which we know has the Tegra 2.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] dscline:
Eh, sorry about that.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
No, GT is not just another Honeycomb slate, I disagree.

It has better screen, thinner, lighter, nicer, etc.

To galtom:

I own iPad2, I bought it for my wife (she wants it and I don't want to share my future Android tablet :P ).

iPad2 is nice, hardware wise, but the iOS sucks (limited), it is just an app launcher.

No, iPad2 cannot be substitute for an Android tablet experience. At least not for an Android geek like me :P

Well, if the GT uses Exynos, I might still buy it .... and I will use my iPad2 for the Tegra games (iPad have most if not all of them and more) :P
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Can we talk private? ;-) (if u know anything about iP2?)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] gogol:
Sure, you can message me and I will try to answer.

But, keep in mind that I am no iOS expert, nor fan of iOS especially iPad :)

The reason that I bought this iPad is to get exclusive time with my future Android tablet (so, I don't need to share with wife!). Also, to "educate" her, that Android is much better (she does not believe it and think Apple product is better).
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] K-DoG7p7:
All iOS devices are already running ARM
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] unknown_owner:
I don't understand the reluctance of Samsung or Google in holding back what SoC in the new GT 10.1? Is it some trade secret? Wonder if Google had to sign an Non-disclosure agreement because all they had on their slideshows as 1GHZ Dual-core processor, as if they couldn't say which one.

I hope now that there are some out there, someone will be able to find out what's inside. Come on Fixya!! Crack that baby open!! :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
I suppose there will be two versions and al units shown so far are with Tegra, just to make sure Exynos will not get confirmed in any way before Samsung wants it to.

Why? I am unable to think of why.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] unknown_owner:
I can't see Samsung releasing a Tegra 2 version that would have limitations that the Exynos would not. Especially if it is a limited edition one. Limited editions are suppose to be better than the standard in some way. Now I would understand the limited ed. having the Exynos and the reg. versions having the Tegra2. That would make the limited ones a hot item.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Chandelure:
My guess is that the US will have Exynos.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] unknown_owner:
I think I figured it out. It's neither Tegra2 or Exynos. It's some off-brand processor, so cheap they can't won't even say who the manufacturer is. All they are going to tell us is it's a "1ghz dual-core processor". To get the GT10 that thin, they had to find a very thin cpu and so went with an off brand.

Go Samsung to bring an off-brand to the light! (Speculation, of course)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] TheSonicEmerald:
Samsung makes their own CPUs.

Sent from my Fascinate with CM7 Gingerbread
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] xavierdylan:
well looks like the soc is a tegra 2! the google io special editions seem to have a nvidia gpu.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...rizon-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-tablet/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Chandelure:
This review is weird. It calls the screen LCD. Although he does mention that this isn't a final production Unit. I remain faithful until the end.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
I think units at Google IO are some sorto of hybrids in between two models.

We know for sure that thin 10.1 will have a sd card support and model show apparently dose not.

I do not think that this is 100% what we will have in shops. I would suspect they are more sort of demo modes of Honeycomb ordered by Google.

Most of the stuff inside is actually 10.1v but now in thin body.

Unless someone will present me with logical explanation why all secrecy about CPU if it is only Tegra 2. Its not helping to sell of quickly 10.1v is it?

Exynos - new score :-)

http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-...e-battle-of-quadrant-benchmark-doom-20110510/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] veeeee:
Sad to hear the Google I/O Tabs have a tegra 2. My hope is these are special editions and what is available to the public next month will have Exynos.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] tissotti:
I have never seen so much confusion around device that's supposed to be launching in months time. How hard is it it to release the info?

I have preordered 10.1 about 2 weeks ago but either i or the store so far really know what i'm getting. :D
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
Can I ask where? Link? :-)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] tissotti:
From where i have preordered?

verkkokauppa.com but they don't ship globally if not asked separately, if even then.

And anyways while they have had some Nokia phones first in world i doubt that happens with 10.1. :) Preorders also seem very crowded for it so first shipment will probably disappear right away.

1499 euros is place holder price before they know more.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
yesss... just have noticed the price - quite steep :-)

If Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is P7100 what is the model no for 10.1v? Can not find it anywhere :-(
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] tissotti:
I did try to find more about that, but as far as i know it seems both, 10.1 and 10.1v are called P7100.

Would sound kind of weird really if they really are keeping same model number for both. :-/
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kytz:
The unboxing videos of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 given away at IO shows model number GT-P7510
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
One more thought about the spec of 10.1 limited edit.....

Samsung has caused already quite a lot of confusion with its tablet - right?

Those 5000 people who attend I/O are an opinion makers so if I would be Samsung I would want them to have best product (with Exynos, with card slot, etc...) to make sure net is buzzing about my product in a positive way.

Since white 10.1 given away at I/O is as limited in features as 10.1v is/was than maybe this all we will really get?

Same spec (Tegra), no micro sd support, worse camera just in a thinner body? :-( I hope not...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] tissotti:
Indeed.

This is the reason i find this whole thing extremely confusing and don't really get Samsung at the moment.

They have put 5000 tab 10.1's out there for devs. That device got specs that anybody can try so so why not tell the specs if they are true?

And if the specs are not true and we are getting microsd, Exynos or both why would you not tell it? The device is under a month of shipping and stores can't even put 100% confirmed specs out there yet.

Does not compute.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] kytz:
I really hope there would be a micro sd slot, but I bet the limited edition is hardwarewise the final product. I hope it's not, but it probably is.

It makes Transformer look more tempting, but I think I'll still get the Galaxy Tab. I can live with 16gb storage, I think weight and thickness are more important with a tablet. I think I'll be using it mostly for browsing the internet and reading and being comfortable to hold is way more important than extra storage.

The lack of micro sd card slot still sucks.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] galtom:
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/samsung_galaxy_tab_10-1_specs_ctia_2011_.jpg

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdu5PVjCGo0 - watch carefully approx. 0:40 - 0:50 :-)

You are all welcome :-)

The only unknown is CPU!