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[Defy General] Simplestas:
Sure, water will short-curcuit the ports if they're opened. You want to defy physics eh?

Zoom with volume keys.
[Defy General] xaiai:
how about if the ports are not opened? is it really waterproofed?

as a see the back cover seems to have a 'hole' under the cover lock:S

OH I am so surprised that the volume keys can be used to zoom! thanks so much!
[Defy General] Simplestas:
Well it survived a lot of washes, beer and water drop tests so it's fine. Second mic hole can get a bit of water inside, but it won't go further and mic is protected like speaker.
[Defy General] tmotechsupport:
Its "water resistant " not waterproof. Meaning it can with stand some water but not being submerged.
[Defy General] ketonkss4:
....Not true.. with the ports closed on a brand new defy you should pretty much be able to go swimming with it. Officially it can be submerged up to 1 meter but tests have shown a bit better.. I went swimming with my defy and took underwater videos.
[Defy General] 999phonebug:
Right on. Claiming to be water-proof is much different than water-resistant. If you've been in the industry of selling such stuff you'll know. It has legal implications so serious makers don't take it lightly.

That being said, many things sold as "only" water-resistant can actually withstand quite some splash.
[Defy General] shad0wboss:
End of discussion
[Defy General] Beach_Head:
And just in case you're all still doubtful, the Defy is certified as an IP67 device.

It would not get that certification if it doesn't actually do what they say it does.

What does IP67 mean?

The IP Code (or International Protection Rating, sometimes also interpreted as Ingress Protection Rating) consists of the letters IP followed by two digits and an optional letter. As defined in international standard IEC 60529, it classifies the degrees of protection provided against the intrusion of solid objects (including body parts like hands and fingers), dust, accidental contact, and water in electrical enclosures. The standard aims to provide users more detailed information than vague marketing terms such as waterproof.

Solids, first digit.

The first digit indicates the level of protection that the enclosure provides against access to hazardous parts (e.g., electrical conductors, moving parts) and the ingress of solid foreign objects.

6 - Dust tight - No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact

Liquids, second digit.

Protection of the equipment inside the enclosure against harmful ingress of water.

7 - Immersion up to 1 m - Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes Immersion at depth of 1m.

Taken from Wikipedia
[Defy General] omnipotentduo:
I use my defy for free beer at bars, its great and people don't believe their eyes haha.
[Defy General] diggedy:
my brother dropped his in a pint when drunk just to show off and the screen was unresponsive for 2 days. My guess is if the covers arent secure over the usb and speaker port then the IP rating is out the window
[Defy General] Beach_Head:
Isn't that a given?

Would your waterproof watch still be waterproof if the back casing wasn't put back properly?

The covers on the Defy work the same way...
[Defy General] ketonkss4:
I think the key phrase here was "When Drunk" lol he probably didnt secure the ports like you said. The covers are also susceptible to wear and tear so after a while defy's probably just become regular mortal phones vulnerable to water.. well I suppose they'll still have the durable casing and gorilla glass though.
[Defy General] evilc:
Also bear in mind that these ratings are probably for just water. Submersion in a detergent solution will probably be bad news, as would "cleaning" the seals with detergent. So don't drop it in the bath!

Beer is OK, as that is not an anti-surfactant ;)
[Defy General] diggedy:
absolutely. but how long is this phone guaranteed at IP67. His ports were covered at the time so my guess would be that they have lost their ability to seal after so much use. The fact hes only had the phone 2 months does not say a lot about the rating.
[Defy General] ABC_Universal:
Image a class 6 sd which meets class 10 standards under some conditions. But it's still a class 6 sd and there's no guarantee for class 10 speed.

Actually some crazy Chinese boiled Defy in hot water for several minutes and Defy survived. Good to know but don't expect Defy can stand anything like.
[Defy General] 2Pints:
Ive spilt beer over my Defy and it survived.

What I have discovered is that any liquid spills/submersions result in either an unresponsive screen for a while, or the phone playing up ( ie notification bar going up and down rapidly)

In the case of Beer and other non pure water liquids ( such as soft drinks ) this seems to last longer. The solution to this is to rinse it in water.

The areas that seem to be affected are the small gap around the touch screen/chassis - in particular the small microphone opening, and of course the holes in the back of the phone, if you spill beer in these and let it dry it could leave a sticky residue.

As for water, a quick wipe and dry seem to do the trick, and after a minute or so everything works fine again.
[Defy General] Brumble:
I've read some were that the Defy is water resistant but it's not certified?

I wouldn't purposely get it wet just because it claims to be water resistant.

Sent from my Defy
[Defy General] SimboXXX:
Motorola withdrew the IP67 claim before launch to avoid legal problems.
[Defy General] Beach_Head:
FTW?! You're absolutely right...

Wow Moto! You claim IP67 certification to build the hype and then reduce it to IP67 standards instead when launched? That's really low!
[Defy General] ABC_Universal:
Isn't IP67 still in Defy's menu?
[Defy General] Step666:
It's hardly low, it is in fact quite normal. Specs can change any time prior to launch for a variety of reasons.

Heck, look at the HTC Desire - it's specs changed after launch due to an inability to source AMOLED display panels.

Motorola have never advertised the Defy as IP67-rated, Motorola staff I have spoken to have always been extremely quick to correct you if you describe it as such.

I think you need to read that whole paragraph over again:

The file properties reveal it was created on the 7th of October last year which, unless I'm mistaken, was prior to the handset's launch.
[Defy General] Beach_Head:
Yes, specs can change. And I understand your point.

But marketing the Defy as IP67 certified and then removing the info prior to launch not be low. Considering that everyone that gets hooked prior to the actual release expects it to be as such.

When did you purchase your Defy?

I've had mine since it was first released. And prior to its release, I would follow its latest developments and all the info you would find on the web, even on Motorola's website itself, stated IP67 certification.

Searching Motorola Defy + IP67 on Google will show this. So all these websites, blogs, etc. were mis-informed or just speculating? I highly doubt that.

And now that its been pointed out that the Defy isn't IP67 certified, I sort of feel cheated...
[Defy General] Step666:
I don't see what this has to do with anything...

Late last year, end of October/start of November I think.

Are you sure about that?

I'm not saying you're wrong, merely that I never looked at Motorola's own site at any point.

I know for a fact that well after release, GSMArena.com were listing the Defy as IP67 rated. They're normally pretty reliable when it comes to specs but it was up there for a while...

But that doesn't mean anything, they have specs for phones listed on there that are rumours, not confirmed in any way.

Every site carries rumours, information that's never been in any way officially released by manufacturers and most of them get their news from one another; all it takes is one site to misinterpret or downright make something up and suddenly it's everywhere.

Look at the rumour about Samsung charging US mobile networks for Froyo updates for their variants of the Galaxy S - it was started on here but a troll, a guy with no previous posts and no proof/evidence at all to back it up, he just claimed that's what was happening and within ~24 hours, it was being reported on blogs all over the place and hundreds/thousands of people on here believed it was true. Even after Samsung issued a denial, people were still replying to the thread believing it to be true.

So the fact that some sites said it would be IP67-rated again doesn't mean anything.

And as I said before, specs change, even if Motorola has initially stated they were producing an IP67-compliant handset, if they discovered something during the testing phase that meant they could no longer support that claim, they'd hardly just stop and not produce the phone.

Even if it's not officially waterproof, the Defy is still an extremely capable handset and still a lot more rugged that 99%+ of what's on the market.

That's kind of your problem, sorry.
[Defy General] :
I only heard about it occasionally from blogs, but never seen it advertised as such from Motorola.

Could be rumours or mis-informed people? Fake information can spread rather quick and pose as real in this age. Just see how many people out there buying iodine tablets.
[Defy General] diggedy:
from my experience with ip rated equipment (industrial electrician) I would say it certainly could fall into that band but theres too many variables to guarantee it like the seal on the ports or the cover on the back. In perfect condition it likely does certify but motorola would be foolish to rate it as such as all it takes is for one person to drop it in water with the cover open then send it in claiming it was closed. Motorola would be bound to repair or replace it knowing fine well they couldnt prove its wasnt their fault.

I reckon it was retracted for that reason.
[Defy General] fruktflugan:
When I bought my defy I bought from an e-tailer here that claimed the IP certification on their website and I made screenshots and all of that from the exact moment I bought.

Under Swedish law that gives me consumer rights to press charges against the etailer if the device fails when used under "normal" conditions, in this case under IP67-normal conditions.

What motorola says is beside the question, I have my IP certified device and if it does not hold up to that then the seller is responsible for the damage and all my losses in the process.

...oh, and I was really nitpicky about going to a reputable etailer that has their administration set in Sweden. Even paid a 20 euro extra (over the absolute lowest price) to make sure they go under Swedish juristiction.

So... MY defy is IP67 rated, guaranteed for 3 years from the retailer (even though perhaps not from Motorola)... :D

Know your rights!

/J
[Defy General] Step666:
Well, if we're being nit-picky, your handset isn't IP67 rated, you're just entitled to free replacements if it fails to measure up to that standard.

The only problem you have if, say, your handset gives out due to liquid ingress is proving that you've only submerged to 1m or less for a period of no more than 30 minutes.

Which is exactly why Motorola won't have sold the handset as IP67 rated; because of how difficult it is to be sure what depth the handset has been submerged at and for how long.
[Defy General] Beach_Head:
I just wanted to see a timeline.

The Defy was released in October and IP67 could be seen on Moto's Defy product page. It was part of the features list shown on the right...

Yes, I'm sure...

And like I said, I understand.

But because it was on their website and because of the information on the Internet, a lot of people, including me, purchased it for that reason.

So for them to retract it, may be their right, but it's a WTF moment for those of us who relied on that info.

And speaking of spec changes, before Android, I was a Symbian advocate. And every N-Series phone that Nokia released had that same line: "specs may change without prior notice", but you could always be sure that whatever they published on their site is what you got when you purchased the phone.

It isn't just my problem. It's also the problem of everyone that got suckered in because of that info.

But oh well...
[Defy General] cgogos:
Waterproof/Beerproof and Great Signal Strength

I just purchased a Defy and the reason I got it was I am really impressed by it. At first it was the fact that my friend who has one took it and dipped the whole phone in a tall glass of beer, and it worked great still and still going now. Plus it is a very solid phone, it gets really good signal and battery is solid as well.
[Defy General] dau_:
Would be simple to test for Motorola. Just put a new water detection sticker inside, close all ports, submerge and then check if it's still waterproof.
[Defy General] :
Ninety-nine out of a hundred Defy users don't even know what IP67 stands for.

As Step has pointed out, for a mass market handset, it could be foolish for Motorola to back up that claim even they've really certified it with a 3rd party.

Those uber-resistant handsets can claims such things, maybe because they're selling at double the price of Defy. The replacements' costs have already been included in the initial selling price.

The end-user is at a perpetual disadvantage unless he strives to make a informed decision.
[Defy General] ABC_Universal:
I know the document is aged, but where did you see that defy is not IP67 or moto said that it isn't?

A product meets a standard doesn't mean that the manufacturer has to guarantee for it. Here moto sells a water resistant phone which is actually water proof under some conditions, as tested countless times. There's just no guarantee for water proof because it is sold as water resistance.
[Defy General] fruktflugan:
There is a wonderful difference in Swedish consumer laws... If my device takes in water and fails it is the retailers job to prove I did something to make the seals fail and current consumer legislation always sides with the consumer if word-of-mouth is against word-of-mouth.

Say seals fail and I say "I didn't submerge it under 1m depth for 30 minutes", they say "You must have done since it failed" and I say "Well, I didn't. Your product is flawed"

Then they get to replace the unit, reimburse me for my troubles and if they finally took me to court over it they'd have to pay all that too PLUS the extra time I was without handset at a standardized rate.

Needless to say I won't open a retail business in Sweden anytime soon since all of these laws...

Good for the consumer, less good for the businesses... But then again, that's why everything is more expensive here too.

Ordered a couple of running shoes from the UK for 40 quid inc freight. The same trainers were on BIG SALE here in stores for 100 quid.

I am comparing apples to oranges here since footwear is particularly expensive here unless you buy crap shoes from those mega-chains that specialize in one-time-use-asian-children-labour footwear.

As a consumer though I happily paid 20 quid extra for my defy to have it protected under swedish law.

/Jimmy
[Defy General] jellydonut:
I've cleaned my phone with soap, water and scrubbing quite a few times now.

They do say the phone and keyboard are the most dirty items. I just need a waterproof keyboard now.:D
[Defy General] abhi.eternal:
I just know that my Defy rocks! I remember on a rainy day I was riding my bike and suddenly it became so heavy that I had to take cover. I was completely soaked. Then I got a call (girlfriend, can't avoid you know) and when I took out the phone from my jeans and went on talking amongst that heavy rain with rain splashes all over my face, and phone of course, the onlookers had a hard time believing what they were seeing.

@Beach_Head & anyone who is bothered about certifications after they bought Defy: Try to do that, or anything similar, with ANY other phone and then you might not feel cheated!
[Defy General] loi91:
A friend of mine talked to the motorola customer support a few days ago and thats what they told him: If the water indicator inside the DEFY indicates a water damage they WONT replace the phone!

I havent tried yet :) But my DEFY survived a few water test lately!
[Defy General] diamond_4g64:
Just bought mine and already tested it for water. Everything is ok after a super underwater spongebob exploration of my sink!!!
[Defy General] wouternet:
Guys, I first wanted a BlackBerry 9780.

But, always looking for a more reliable and rugged phone, I'm now wanting a Motorola Defy, because of it's ruggedness and it's water-resistancy! Because it rains very much here in the Netherlands. Thanks for changing my mind! I'm going to use it with a Otterbox Commuter. Anybody having used these?

-Wouternet
[Vibrant General] kdf2883:
Here's the link to the thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1009177

It's finally here! :D
[Vibrant General] Abu-7abash:
Great!
[Vibrant General] EricDET:
I wouldn't get too excited.... It's a base to build from but the overall feel is..... It's no better than froyo just yet..... I thought 2.3 was supposed to make our phones at least comparable to the snapdragon cpu power?

If anyone watched the video.... I was under the impression that quadrant was incompatible with 2.3.... But it runs through flawlessly on the video... Does that strike anyone else as odd?
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
okay guys! 6 months left till we get it!
[Vibrant General] Whitehawkx:
New i9000 GB is running great. Will be putting out a stock+fixes build a little later today [hopefully]. GPS still doesn't work, but that's to be expected. Toggle headset still needs to be used to listen to music on headphones. Good news is the ram issue is 100% gone. Stock music player doesn't give reboots either.
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
NO!

I'm finally getting used to with CM7 dont make me go back to your double rainbow.

DAMN YOU!
[Vibrant General] cellneuron:
why gps does not work? i thought we have same hardware as i9000.
[Vibrant General] geoffcorey:
Where have you been since the initial froyo ports for the vibrant?
[Vibrant General] adampdx:
I was able to use Quadrant with 2.3 on my G Tab.
[Vibrant General] callum001:
Sweet
[Vibrant General] cellneuron:
sorry, i was using a palm treo pro.
[Vibrant General] Emama:
thread deleted?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] whitedragon551:
I want to change the boot screen back to the default Droid Incredible boot screen. I want to use this one here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=728625

Where do I push the animation to? I assume I rename it to VZW_bootanimation.zip and push it via adb to system/customize/resource folder. Where do I put the music for it and what do I call it?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] silverxbv2:
The audio goes in the same location. Should be VZW_droid.mp3
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] whitedragon551:
So the audio file should be named VZW_droid.mp3 and the boot animation should be VZW_bootanimation.zip and they both go in the system/customize/resource folder? Do they get zipped together or are they just separate?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] silverxbv2:
They are seperate. Don't zip the audio.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] whitedragon551:
Didnt work. I used adb to push them. Here is my CMD screen. Any idea what I did wrong?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] silverxbv2:
That looks right. I haven't used adb in a while. What is it doing? No audio or no boot or both? Do you have root explorer?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] whitedragon551:
I dont have root explorer. Everything transferred fine. Just the boot animation stayed the same default RR boot. Perhaps my locations are off?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] silverxbv2:
Use a file explorer and look in system/media. Some roms have it in there. I'm downloadind it now. Hang tight.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] whitedragon551:
I use Adao File Manager.

My System/Media folder has only an audio folder. Within audio there is alarms, notifications, ringtones, and UI. All of which are mp3 tones.

I have a copy of the default RR Rom boot animation and according to the flashable file its located in the system/customize/resource location and called VZW_bootanimation.zip

There appears to be a bootanimation in the system/bin location.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] silverxbv2:
The location is right. Did you try removing the one from the rom first?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] whitedragon551:
I did not. Not sure on the adb command to remove.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] silverxbv2:
You really shouldn't have to. It should overwrite it anyways. Check your PM
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] whitedragon551:
Thanks Silver for all the help. The boot animation is changed, but the audio isnt there. I made sure the audio was named correctly and I made sure my volume was on. Any ideas?

EDIT- Got it figured out. It was supposed to be VZW_Droid.mp3 rather than droid without a capital D.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] silverxbv2:
Oops. Yeah the d is capital. Glad to help.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Josephuk82:
Hi

I've been trying for the last few days to update my phone using Kies.

I've updated the program and it prompts me to upgrade the firmware...

It asks me if I want to backup my data then goes on to upgrade the firmware.. but after a minute or so. the program says the phone has been disconnected.

-I've tried on 2 Pc's (XP and Win 70

-I've tried un-installing the software and re-installing it.

-Tried each USB port on both PC's

I'm just about ready to throw my phone out the window :(

I love my Galaxy S but OMG Kies is a pile of crap!

Anyone have any ideas please?

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
You can search the multiple Kies posts .

Try turning off firewall .

Reboot the phone .

jje
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sml12:
With my old phone, I was using a SIM lock code when the phone was turned on/off.

I put the SIM card into my new Captivate. No SIM code was required during on/off.

I tried to set-up a SIM lock code and it asked to enter my code.

I entered the code which I used with my old phone and it failed.

I thought a SIM code is specific to the SIM? Or is the SIM code specific to a phone?

I have already used 2 of 3 attempts. When does the quota reset so I can try again? I dont want to risk my last attempt.

I am using the Continuum ROM.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ConeyKiller:
If I were you id read the manual. I'm not sure myself but manuals always help.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
The sim lock code is dependent on the phone not the sim. So a sim lock from another phone will not have any effect on this phone. From what I understand it doesnt reset until the phone is wiped.

IMHO with all the locking tools available to Android I would just use that and leave the sim lock alone. But that is just me
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bandis710:
I always used adw ex on my galaxy s without any problems. So when I got my Nexus S to days ago , one of the first things I did was installing ADW Ex again .. In the past two days I had more than 10 force closes from ADW ex .. Maybe adw x doesn't play nice with 2.3.3 ? My galaxy run on 2.2.1.

I am curios if there are more people here that have problems with adw ex ?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rb9228:
I use ADW EX exclusively on my device and I am not experiencing all those FCs. Its rock solid here.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bandis710:
:confused: hmm that's strange .. Maybe a widget I use that is causing the force closes then although it always states closing process adw ex .. I have legally bought it in the market so no shabby pirated copy ..

Used the same setup on my galaxy s so that's why I asked it..
[Android Software Development] Pneuma1985:
Yeah doing an adw theme, naming icons so I need visual voicemail process name for both sprint and tmobile? I've been getting process names via the database and adb shell-logcat to view processes, but since I don't have vvm and couldnt get it working if I did therefore I dont have the processes. Can anyone help me with that?