yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TonyCubed:
What you and other people seem to forget that this isn't possible because of Windows Mobile, that has nothing to do with it, but because the original test device for WP7 (at least with HTC) was infact the HD2. From all the rumours back then, the HD2 was going to get the upgrade to WP7 since it was very capable of running it, but because Microsoft decided that there should only be 3 hardware buttons, the HD2 lost out.

The HD7 shares a lot of the hardware that's granted, but the HD2 came before the HD7, so you should think of it as the other way round.

And the only reason why the HD2 has Android nearly perfectly was infact it shares hardware with the Nexus One, Desire, Evo etc and porting the drivers from all those devices made it possible, not just that, like I said previously, the HD2 came before all of them because it had the best hardware before any one else.

The HD2 was ahead of it's time (briefly ofcourse) but still.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] lemonspeakers:
i dont think that is the best i idea to go higher with a faster card.

its been talked about that a faster "class 6" card is SLOWER than a "class 2"
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] huismeester:
The only that make it possible is SIR Cotulla and DFT and nothing else
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TonyCubed:
And they can make it possible because the HD2 is practically a native WP7 device. :P
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mdskrzypczyk:
Even though it is far from it... Just saying... And the device didn't make their efforts possible, their own efforts made everything possible. The device just didn't hand them the coding they needed to run WP7 on the HD2, they had to make all of that by themselves, and then they had to make the specific ROM for the HD2 because the other ones won't work. I'm pretty sure more of the success and "This was all possible..." praising goes to DFT rather than the device they hacked.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zarathustrax:
Class only refers the sequential write speed, which is really only important for digital cameras or other things that need high sequential speeds. And to get higher sequential speeds on the higher class cards, they sacrifice the random read/write and random access speeds, which is what's important for running wp7 or android, etc. So getting a higher class card does not mean an improvement in performance for wp7 or android, it can, in fact mean the opposite.

Out of all cards I've tested, a Sandisk class 4 has performed best for me with wp7 and android.

There were many needed factors that led to us having WP7 on our HD2s... it's hard to really say what's more important. If the HD2 wasn't the device it was, cotulla probably wouldn't have been able to get it working. But also without cotulla creating magldr, we probably wouldn't be where we were with wp7 on the HD2. There's many other factors the led to the HD2 being where it is... no point in arguing which is the most important... just be thankful we are where we are with everything we can do on our HD2s.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ustudio:
very well said
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cdguider:
Using Windows Phone 7 Kitchen, Copied some files, Built Rom, NODO stuck at DFT screen before system turns on. Back to DFTLEO70
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Sonic999:
Thanks for the update, cdguider. We'll just have to wait some more. No probs, let the fixing begin. :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] lemonspeakers:
Anyone heard when DFT is releasing this for our Hd2?

Or maybe even a leak?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] rob17:
Software development often works in long branches.

Cotulla and the DFT's code, as far as i know, has nothing to do with any *rumored* HD2-microsoft developed software.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] colossus_r:
Hello m8...

I said that for along time in the android section....

My class 2 cards (one 4GB AND one 8gb) are way faster better than my other 8gb class 6 cards...

And Android and wp7 runs much smother and faster with those cards...

colossus
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TonyCubed:
I think you've completely missed what I mean't. How can Cotulla/DFT port WP7 over to the HD2 so fast with almost zero problems? I can answer that for you: The HD2 was a dev device for WP7, so drivers etc were already written for the device. The problem is, Microsoft decided to say that a WP7 only needed 7 buttons in which the HD2 had 5 which mean't that we couldn't get WP7 for our phones.

The only reason Cotulla/DFT has gotten WP7 to work so good is because the HD2 has had WP7 before, all they've done is been able for us to flash it with MAGLDR without bricking the device.

I'm not taking any thunder away from Cotulla/DFT since they're great and have contributed a lot, but people seem to think that they 'magically' got it working.

The HD2 was a phone at the right place at the right time. Being a WP7 dev phone and having a lot of it's parts based on Android devices mean't that drivers etc for Android were relatively less-troublesome compared to other WM6 -> Android. And because the HD2 was a WP7 dev phone, Cotulla/DFT knew exactly it wouldn't be hard (even less work that Android) to port over.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Hagenlund:
It is quite likely that HTC intended to bring WP7 to the HD2. HTC Russia did announce and then retract a WP7 upgrade, and there were pictures of HD2's with development builds of WP7 floating around for a while. Either way though, my personal praises go to Cotulla and DFT. Exactly how easy or hard it was to bring WP7 to the HD2 is not particularly interesting to me, all I know is I couldn't have done it :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] EgoMaximus:
Is there any ETA on this?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Finalforce1111:
Thats not all... another important fact is that microsoft also wants 4 point multitouch and the HD2 has only 2 point why so much people ignore that fact...?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] iba21:
HD2 is a wp7 device because has the same hardware as HD7, same chip, same cpu, same ram, same battery, all is the same, so, driver is the same

in fact there's a little problem with camera driver, because, in HD7 camera is little different, it's the same for multi touch problem, driver is compiled for hd7 multitouch chip, and hd2 doesen't have it, but, if you put that chip on hd2, it will work like an HD7

so, HD7 IS AN HD2 ;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mdskrzypczyk:
How can you say that they ran into almost zero problems when porting. That's a ridiculous assumption. If you feel the need, go read some IRC logs from when they were doing it and you'll see that they ran into a plethora of problems. That's because porting it WAS NOT meant to be done.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Ultimaex:
How often the devs need to say that even if there is a 1GHz QSD8250 in several devices the drivers are different since the SoCs are build up differently with slighly different hardware components. Thats why you can't take a WP7/Android rom including spl from a QSD8250 device and flash it on any other smartphone with a QSD8250. The nexus one also has a 8250 and you can't use the nexus kernel and drivers on the hd2.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] lemonspeakers:
a leak is out?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] M..N:
Dude it'll be released when ready no need to keep asking
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] TonyCubed:
Sorry, where is the WP7 port for other WM6 devices? Oh wait, they won't get any because it ain't possible.

The HD2 was a WP7 phone, we've seen pictures and there is even a video from like Feb/March last year with a HD2 running a dev version of WP7. Just for the absolute simple fact that the HD2 was running WP7 previously meant it could run it again after release.

I never said anything about it was so flawless that anyone could flash it without any problems, but when you compare it to problems they had with Android with constant kernels needed to be pushed out etc, in comparison, porting WP7 back to the HD2 must of been much easier to do.

You make it sound like the devs needed to create new drivers and so on just to get it working.

Are you denying that the HD2 was a dev phone for WP7? And if it was a dev phone, would you agree for the simple fact that it was a dev phone that the port was even possible in the first place?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] PedrooNL:
It seems we are so bored by waiting for the DFT that useless discussions are started here. If we need to kill time, please find a subject that could inspire or entertain us.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] amno1970:
Tony, have you noticed that HD7 does not have an SD card? Have you noticed it does have multitouch? Have you noticed the camera is different? Have you noticed buttons are different? So, are there any hardware concern when porting WP7?

Android is not comparable, as it uses standard Linux storage and it is open, has some time in market and is more documented.

So I don't think it was easier to port WP7...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ceesheim:
htc has used the hd2 as a test phone for wp7 , and htc made all the drivers and the remapping of the hardware buttons , DFT didn't do that .

but still they did a real good thing because there isn't a hackable bootloader for the hd2 and not a good radio rom so they needed to build a fake radio and a bootloader who was able to run wp7 (magldr)

and last but not leased , they needed the hd2 wp7 build in the first place (only dft has the real htc wp7 rom)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mortonight1:
Yes and actually the hd7 has almost the same harware as hd2 onl on a diferent layout.. and yes the hd2 does have a mini sd card, it is located just under the battery with a warranty sticker on it..

http://xdaforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=12727173
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mortonight1:
Sorry if i missunderstood you.. is that "real wp7 rom" the one htc tested on hd2? if so then wouldn't it have a radio and spl for the hd2 as well?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Murdhie:
I washed the dogs ears last night. Filthy they were. Have you ever washed anything interesting?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] radiance26:
So I have two questions, how dft can have original hd2 wp7 rom ? why they don't release tools ? xda community can work (maybe faster?) on this too, it's better than dft who make us wait four month for 1 release.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] huismeester:
Hi PedrooNL your my man It is a waste of time

But how long must we wait
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] welki1979:
IMO this thread should be closed.

We are now all aware that 'NoDo' works in the hands of DFT as does 'mango'... we don't need another thread speculating about how development was done, what M$'s plan was etc etc etc etc...

..there are enough of those posts already. There is especially no point in pestering people for a leak (which would probably be buggy anyway) or a release date... DFT will release it when THEY are ready and it will work so just be patient.

The reason no tools are available yet is they they belong to DFT... it's their right to decide what they do with them...hopefully they'll release them but if not it's up to you to create your own I'm afraid.

TBH we're lucky to get MAGLDR for free from them...after all it's all coded by DFT and allows the booting of multi OS's so by rights they could charge for it (seeing as it doesn't actually contain any OS's in MAGLDR and just provides emulation)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] huismeester:
And thats it Sir you are right
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] orangekid:
the thread isn't breaking any rules and there doesn't seem to be much flaming, also a mod is actively posting in the thread. Just because you don't find it interesting to speculate on how DFT go this done doesn't mean the thread should be closed.

You could just not view/post in it if it does not interest you.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] welki1979:
I am interested in NoDo progress... not speculation. The thread title is about 'NoDo Working' not how DFT got WP7 working in the first place. As a member with 1,184 posts I would have thought you would appreciate the importance of keeping to the subject of a thread.

You could always start a 'speculation' thread!? :p
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mortonight1:
yes i have, two tbh, cant say the first one though.. but the second never worked again hahaha :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] orangekid:
1185 after this post :)

we can argue semantics all day long, and ironically enough both of our posts are off-topic to this thread, but as with all threads where you only see a video followed with no information there is nowhere else to go but speculation as to how they got WP7 working in the first place, we may as well have closed the thread after the OP if you really want to get technical with the lexicon.

My point is that it's really not hurting anything and not that off-topic, we're still talking DFT and WP7 ports.

Now when the WP7 support group comes in here and exclaims about how awesome WP7 is and we should build a gold statue of Steve Balmer or when someone comes in and proclaims that we are downgrading our HD2 by putting WP7 on it and we get that whole party started again then I'll be all for closing it.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DingoJunior:
If you don't find this subject inspiring or entertaining, why are you bothering to read (and respond to) this thread? Bizarre.

Dingo
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Sonic999:
Eventhough DFT have said that they don't like ppl asking about release dates, threads like this one should remain open to discussion, at least so everyone can take a peek of what's going on... read progress updates by beta testers, etc.

I would definitely like to know at least if the release will be out approximately in a week, or two weeks, or a month's time, or even longer... cause I was gonna try a W7 rom, but when I saw this was about to be released, I decided to wait it out... but apparently it's gonna take a while longer than I had expected.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] hjhjhj:
what progress update posts???? i haven't seen anything except for people arguing over whether this thread should continue or not!

LOL
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Idhor Naergon:
edit: Removed
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cazper210:
i just want the sd card issue resolved i would love to have music and pictures again on my phone
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] da_mayhem:
Why don't you just port yourself a NoDo update into the current WP7 build and develop it?

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We just need to wait, DFT doesn't get paid by doing these developments, donation is not compulsory, if you feel you got few extra bucks and appreciate their work, donation would be great and would motivate them. Comments like those of Idhor Naergon won't motivate them, they are killing the development.

If you have nothing good to say about DFT and the delay or progress of the NoDo update, SHUT UP and go back to your stock ROM!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mortonight1:
well said! the fact is that every wp7 rom out there for hd2 is based on dft leo70, we can only thank dft for even release it, and i understand if they never release their tools.. just stop criticizing n start asking dft: pretty please could you extend your generosity and release your tools?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] huismeester:
totally agree Sir
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Idhor Naergon:
Yes, you are totally right. I didn't think when I said what I said. I apologize you all on the forum. When I have something good to say, I back here...

SORRY YOU ALL! Ok?

I will think a lot before posting something here again. Now I will "SHUT UP" and "back to my Stock ROM" as my friend said...

See you later on a WinMo 6.5 forum........

By the way, I'm removing my post... And, I just want you to know that I was NOT complaining about DFT bringing us all these ports (Android and WP7). I was just saying we could test the version they are testing... It was just it... (but you can keep blaming me, if you want...it's ok)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] tay200k:
What issue is this?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] orangekid:
I was wondering the same thing, I haven't had any sd card issue.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mdskrzypczyk:
I think he's trying to say like, putting his own music on the non-partitioned part of the sd card and having it recognized by the WP7. Although that isn't possible. You have to sync your music and pictures through the zune software because there is no other way to put music on it.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mdskrzypczyk:
We might be getting something even newer than NoDo kiddies! Check out this link http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7s-mysterious-search-button-appears-again someone got a build with a higher version number than NoDo and he was spotting the same magnifying glass - search icon on the screen. Maybe something else is happening with DFT?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Zahurtex:
That Sir, is wp7 device shown in the pic. and not hd2... so nothing to do with the dft development going on for hd2s.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] JTDraper:
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

Well, that might not be true. The magnifying glass icon was first spotted in a video that showed NoDo on the HD2. Not on the HD2 itself, but on another phone that appears briefly in the video.

It's like an episode of Lost.

-- Jes'
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] welki1979:
Guys...PLEASE read the rest of the thread before posing news that has already been written.

The magnifying glass is part of the Microsoft 'mango' update for WP7. Just google 'DFT +WP7' find their site in the list and hit translate if you want updates on progress. Apparently they are already working on porting Mango to HD2 but it will probably be a long time before we see it.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] PedrooNL:
That picture and the build number are a hoax. It's a photoshop job.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Zenk_77:
Maybe it's all a joke :D:D:D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cazper210:
so how did u partitioned your memory card cause mines never show
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] rwholden:
WP7 does not recognize partitions on the SD card... what ever size the main partition is will be the available memory on the SDcard for windows to use.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] theslam08:
I believe it auto-partitions. So make sure you back-up your SD before installing/flashing WP7.

Think I would rather wait for Mango. Seems a better update. Just love these devs, they should really be working for M$ themselves...just as good if not better devs than the paid ones!!!

Overall IDC what they release [test versions or not] I am just extremely greatful that they 'do' release, as I am able to check out something that we dont need to go and spend another 200+ dollars when we can use our already amazing hardware. Thanks team! GO DFT!

Sorta like hackintosh...we dont have to spend $1000 just to try out OSX (even know its usually bad performance).
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cazper210:
yea i understand but it doesnt show nothing and application memory sucks lol but yeah when i try to move music through zune nothing i tried three different sd cards
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] se1988:
Did they just find a HATCH in the GROUND??! Is there a SEARCH button in the START MENU??!

Yeah, i totally see what you mean.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] rwholden:
i believe the SD card has to be in when the rom is flashed, as windows formats it on first read, if you change the SD Card half way through it won't work...

I had mine with a 16GB C2 and it work perfectly...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cazper210:
oh ok ive been taking it out before let me try but i hate when it make the memory damaged when i try to use it again it goes from 4 gb to 200 mb luckily i have ubuntu to reformat the card
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] raven_raven:
Just thought of it, maybe DFT isn't getting any news to XDA because they remember all of spam and stir caused by first leaks of WP7 back in January. This time maybe they decided to avoid this and when things will be done, they gonna hand this thing to us.

I can't wait, man!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Tachi91:
At the rate these build versions are coming out they keep getting closer to 8000... either people are just spoofing builds or M$ is already working on Windows Phone 8 (if named that)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] nolosecono:
thanks to the cooks can enjoy all these roms and operating systems new ones. patiently for them to publish Nodo with full warranties. thanks to all
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] PoisonOmnia:
I have a feeling the delay is due to a multitude of things, Microsoft issuing a warning about ChevronWP7 and HTC rolling out device spefic updates, (Bit depth decrease ect) and the potential WP7 Mango and further 7753 build that may or may not have leaked, so more tweaking might be nessesery, all good things come to those who wait, im sure DFT will announce something soon enough. :p
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] merkcity:
yes yes yes CANT WAIT
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] MobileData:
LOL Sonic.

--Mike
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] merkcity:
lol yeah your right
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] DingoJunior:
Heh, no. Remember, the build numbers you are looking at are 7.0.7xxxx - that is, they are builds of the 7.0 version. Even if they go over 8000, that doesn't mean we're up to version 8.

And the story I've heard is that Windows Phone 8 will, essentially, be Windows 8.

Dingo
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] :
Wait

Just like the US is waiting for a 2011 budget! We must WAIT! BAHAHA
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Daanmannetje:
Seeing we now have dual-core smartphones with 1Ghz+ CPU's and MS have said Windows 8 will run on ARM processors, it is not unlikely that in a few years a phone is powerfull enough for the "normal" Windows 8...

But do you have a link to the story you've heard?