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[HTC Inspire 4G] wberry85:
This works!! :D

Thanks again guys...
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Has anyone else noticed that your text messages get stuck in a never ending send, and they never get sent or fail at getting sent? This has happened to me five times where I send a text message, then about 30 minutes later realize it never sent...

This is the only flaw I've seen with EC05, along with TWS issue, but it is going to almost force me to switch back to EB13 modem if I can't figure out how to fix this.
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
I have not seen any of my texts not send and I have been on the ec05 modem for a week now. Possibly try toggling airplane just to reset modem.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I have, see I thought the problem was on my end...but it can't be.

I have flashed DI18 and EB13 and updated to EC05 three times now, and everytime without fail it happens. It doesn't happen right away, but it does happen and when it does I don't notice it til an hour later because it is just sitting there saying "Sending" and it never fails.
[Epic 4G General] stevesprivateaccount:
Are you running the stock version of EC05? Are you using any themes?
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Straight stock, 100%, no root either.
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
You try updating prl? Or going In and out of airplane mode?
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
I haven't come across it yet but I haven't been texting much.
[Epic 4G General] ydoucare:
YES! I have had this problem as well on EC05, stock rooted.
[Epic 4G General] asiangolfer76:
This is happening to me too. It is very annoying. I just turn the phone off and back on again and that usually solves the problem for me. But I'm getting tired of turning my phone off and on again every hour or so so I might switch back to EB13 as well
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Whew I'm not going crazy. Yes the only fix is to turn on and off the phone. But if this continues I'm going to flip a **** because I text non-stop....
[Epic 4G General] flatspin:
Haven't see that issue here and I've sent a lotof texts on ec05. I have seen some other weird text issues from from othr people that use sprint (like my wife). Things like garbled text, lost texts, etc.. I think it may be a Sprint issue more than a phone or rom.
[Epic 4G General] miakauisan:
Might not work...This happened to me with EB13...I haven't sent any texts yet with EC05 yet. If you still have stock touch wiz, clearing the memory seemed to make them send once stuck.

Or you could just wait...they'll send about 2 days later...every single one...at the same time. You'll get really interesting texts back from people.
[Epic 4G General] abrcrmdl23:
I saw that problem back on eclair but havent had the issue since eb13 or ec05 clear the data in the sms program and the cache and that might help. Also i only noticed theissue if my phone had a really bd signal and was bouncing between roaming and not.
[Epic 4G General] dchawk81:
Instead of rebooting, have you tried long pressing the message that's stuck and then hitting resend?

ETA: You might have to long press, cancel, then resend. I forget the exact steps.
[Epic 4G General] asdfghjkl:
I've had this problem since DK28 and the only way I have found to make it work was rebooting. But now I found a workaround using the blackbionix theme..the dialer force closes when you end a call and that seems to fix it. Also when you clear level 2 memory, messages stop sending. I hope we get a fix for this. It has been driving me crazy!!!!
[Epic 4G General] ydoucare:
I also had a problem one morning where I woke up and the radio was dead. I had missed calls and texts but no idea I had them until I toggled airplane mode (because I saw there was no 3G icon next to the signal bars). After toggling airplane mode, a couple texts came through from 2 hours prior and a voicemail. All three were work related. This is stock EC05 rooted. I'm about ready for the Evo 3D to get here.
[Epic 4G General] The Root:
Only once, but my office can be like a bunker, so not consistently. They are instantaneous outside.
[Epic 4G General] incisivekeith:
I have had something similar happen to me a couple of times. On a few occasions, the text was sent, but in a few seconds, it would show a message that it failed to send it. This has happened only on a few occasions, so cannot draw any conclusion about what is causing it.
[Epic 4G General] logikgr:
Happened to me yesterday when I odined to EC05. Data and calls were fine, but text messages wouldn't go through. I tried rebooting, nothing. Updated my PRL to 60677, rebooted, and then my text mesaages were working fine. Not sure if updating PRL did it or the second reboot, but it's working fine now.
[Epic 4G General] djbacon06:
yep, clearing level 2 ram will stop texts from sending. After doing this and re-booting, you should be good (for a while at least). This is how I always dealt with it on eb13. I would have the issue, clear ram, then reboot. I had this problem very often with eb13, but since updating to ec05 I have not encountered it yet. I couldn't stand it, the text either wouldn't send or it would take forever then send multiple times to the recipient.
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
It seems like most of you having this issue are on stock roms.
[Epic 4G General] faceless:
i had that problem occasionally in DI18, but haven't run into it again in EB13 or EC05
[Epic 4G General] asdfghjkl:
Actually ive had this problem on nebula, stock, and currently have the problem on bonsai 4.0.0
[Epic 4G General] garr741:
Its not EC05. I've had this problem on DI18 & EB13. As someone suggested earlier, switching to AirPlane mode to reset the radio usually does the trick.
[Epic 4G General] Ree$e:
Im on stock EC05 and never had that problem before, are you guys using the stock messeger or one from the market? I use stock and they send out in less then 3sec.
[Epic 4G General] jdelano:
I have never had this happen (unless there is no signal, of course).

I haven't run a stock ROM since I bought this phone <grin> been running midNight since December.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I have never had this problem outside EC05.

I am going to flash Syndicate v1.1 right now and test it out for the rest of the day and report back my findings.
[Epic 4G General] kkedigh:
I haven't had a problem with mine. perhaps you guys aren't installing and flashing properly? have you wiped your data? that usually fixes a lot of problems.
[Epic 4G General] Tahde:
I use to have the same problem when I first got my Epic. It has now upgraded to the point where it will tell me it has failed to send, but it actually sent (as another member said as well). Last night it wouldnt send anything until this morning. Today I went to EC05 (OTA) and did root (stock). It has happened a couple times today already.
[Epic 4G General] hayzooos:
So you got the EC05 update today over the air? What were you on before? I wasn't aware the update was still being sent out...
[Epic 4G General] p3dr0maz:
Only time i've experienced this with small tiny txt messages was back on Stock Eclair DI18. Since DK28, EB13, EC05 this only happens when trying to send an MMS with an image which is way too large for Sprints servers to handle.
[Epic 4G General] digiblur:
No problems here on texting...using handcent for sms app.
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
I only have occasional inability to send. I just resend and it's all good.
[Epic 4G General] Darkshneider:
It happened to me on other ROMs, but it because sometimes I get crappy signal, sometimes I receive texts a few mins after the timestamp. What I do when it stays "sending" is I just call Voicemail and it pushes (and pulls) the texts.
[Epic 4G General] burgerpimp07:
This happens on EB13 and DC05 for me when I delete level 2 from the ram manager. Also, certain task killers/memory organizers will cause it. Don't delete level 2, and remove all task killers/memory organizers and tell me how it goes.
[Epic 4G General] lepapirriky:
This happens to me this Saturday and was still on eb13. I also was cleanning the ram with level 2 that whole week so I'm assuming this has something to do with it.

Sent from Maxwell's shoe.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I stopped using RAM Level 2 Killer on Sunday. I have only had it happen once to me so far today. But I cannot root my phone from my computer which I usually have been able to do flawlessly before...
[Epic 4G General] crawrj:
No errors for me. I text many times a day and have not seen the issue. Stock with root. But I am also almost always on wireless. Has anyone having the problem duplicated it on wireless. If not try it over wireless to see if you can determine if it is the modem or not.
[Epic 4G General] crawrj:
Any errors? If you can't get it to work use the odin prerooted version.
[Epic 4G General] burgerpimp07:
Also, it doesn't cause the issue right away. Even after you clear level two it takes some time for the 'bug' to kick in.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I know this...usually takes an hour.

I got my phone rooted and I will be running Syndicate v1.1.0 until I see it happen again. If it doesn't then I can report it is a problem with something in the stock rom.
[Epic 4G General] Tahde:
Yes, I received the update. I did the EC05 update with root from one of the other threads and had problems sending text messages. Then I went back to EB13 and was instantly notified that I had a update available. Went with the update and everything was fine for a couple hours after I rooted again. Then my text message problems were happening again.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Okay, if I was running a custom rom I wouldn't be having this problem and it wouldn't be required....
[Epic 4G General] blu9987:
I had that on dk28 which is one reason why I sat on dl18 for so long :P. I haven't had that on ec05 but I do have a bug where I don't receive text messages then at once i'll get like 5 dated an hour ago.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Okay, update:

Syndicate v1.1.0 has have the problem as well. I just got the infinite sending issue (ISI) while running it. I'm pretty sure you are right about the data, but I can't prove it. This happened randomly, and I mean very randomly. I cannot isolate the issue at all.

Also you incase you didn't catch it, the name of the issue will be

"Infinite Sending Issue" A.K.A. ISI

---OR---

Permanent Message Sending (PMS) :), just for kicks.
[Epic 4G General] blu9987:
When I had the issue on dk28 if I would turn my phone off then on the message would send shortly after. I think airplane mode on/off works too
[Epic 4G General] jspsuperman:
I had this problem after switching to th ec05 modem, and I was about to change back to eb13 when I decided to try updating th prl. Usually i get a network error, but this time it said prl updated, and since then ive had no issues with getting hung up text mess. oh and im running stock w root if that makes any dif.
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
Had this on every froyo rom
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Also had it since DK28 and all after that. Airplane mode toggle does not work. Only thing that would send the message was a reboot. After updating PRL and Profile it happened less and then I replaced my mms.apk to get a green icon in notification bar and don't have the problem anymore. So there may be something to the corrupt data theory.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
You cleared lever two ram in the task killer. Doing that causes this issue.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Ya, I was gonna say that, been doing that since eb13(as far as I know). Its ridiculous that they can't even correctly implement a task manager to clear up the ram easily.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] :
Yep. Been present in every 2.2 build. Probably 20 threads about it too, as each time there is a new release/leak someone blames this problem on the new build and starts a thread.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
That's a false assumption. Numerous people are having this same issue. And I used RAM Clear Level 2 all the time before in old stock roms and now it affects my text messaging?

Also I can disprove your theory because I haven't used it yet since using Syndicate, sorry try again.
[Epic 4G General] :
For what it is worth, I have suffered from this since the first 2.2 build I installed and have been able to eliminate it by not using the ram manager. I can clear ram a dozen times or more without issue, and other times the first time you do it it drops sms capability. Just clearing ram does not guarantee the sms will drop, -however- NOT clearing ram has made the problem completely stop.

Just because you cleared it and it didn't cause a problem once doesn't necessarily mean it isn't an issue. I can only say that after posting in almost every thread started about this and doing my own fair share of whining, I have not had the problem reoccur once since I stopped using level 2 clear.

It could be some coincidence that this got better at exactly the same time I changed my behavior, I doubt it though.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
What about the users who have no idea what RAM clearing is and have this problem? No one can truely say what is causing this issue. I can't even isolate it yet because it happens so randomly.
[Epic 4G General] :
Relaying my experience in hopes that you or someone else may benefit from it.

Not speaking for the masses. :)
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I knew about the RAM 2 clear. We talked about it, and I quarantined it in my experiment on the custom rom. Without using it, I woke up to my phone with ISI.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Actually this is exactly what it is happening ;) Also, I'd suggest you act a bit friendlier in the forums please.
[Epic 4G General] :
Sucks.... don't jinx mine. That thing ticked me off enough to put DI18 back on at one point.

Edit: I just installed Bonsai tonight (been on stock/cwm255 EC05 since first hacked leak).... I sure hope this doesn't make an appearance again now :/
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Yeah, I know, they try to act like it's a roms fault.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
What do you base this off of? So far I've been experimenting all day and I have failed to see your point of view true.

Actually I just cleared my RAM level 2, and I'm still texting fine. I will try it again in an hour.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
I base this on the fact that every time this issue was present in the forums, I helped fix it by pointing out to users who cared to listen that clearing level 2 ram causes this issue. In every case (about 5-6) that has been the issue.
[Epic 4G General] blu9987:
FWIW I havent had the issue anymore but I also haven't been clearing lvl2 ram (since I noticed i had the sms issue more frequently while clearing it)
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Thank you for affirming the cause of the issue ;) :)
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
How did that affirm it? The fact alone you can clear the RAM without it causing issues disproves your theory. And again, this only started happening to me in EC05. I use to use RAM clearing level 2 all the time in the older roms, and now all the sudden it occurs? Idk it seems fishy.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Ok. Feel free to think it's fishy. Also be prepared to never find the "answer" you're looking for ;)

Sent from a truly Epic phone on the XDA Premium app ;)
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I have to agree with impaler, that this has only hapend to me after a lvl 2 clear. Idk if its the exact cause of the problem, as it could only be triggering something that other actions of the phone could trigger also, but it never happens to me except after a lvl 2 clear. It also happened to me on eb13, just so you know. Good luck trying to find the source of the problem.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
If the RAM Level 2 Clear kills a certain application that is causing this "corruption" then I want to find out what it is exactly. So far, my RAM Level 2 Clear has not stopping me from texting...so I can't figure it out.
[Epic 4G General] Dvin211:
I'm having the same problem also. It started back with EB13 and still happening with EC05. I regularly clear my lvl 1 and 2 ram.

What concerns me is I have a bone stock Epic with just a few game apps installed. If I reboot my phone and try and clear just lvl 1 ram it normally says 0 applications closed. If I go ahead and do lvl 2 it shows 16 applications closed and my radio resets.

I'm going to leave the lvl 2 alone for the next few days and see if this helps. I'll report back with my results.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Yup, it'll help :)

Sent from a truly Epic phone on the XDA Premium app ;)
[Epic 4G General] Dvin211:
I wanted to clarify what my problem was with the texting. My text messages would appear to send, people would just never get them.

When I reboot my phone they either get the missing messages or a weeks worth. Its different every time.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Just reflashed to EC05, where the problem originally started for me. I never had this problem before EC05. I have not had a problem yet, but will continue to test until the end of tomorrow.

I just cleared the RAM level 2, it reset my radio, and I was able to send a text message and receive one instantly. 18 applications were closed too.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I think it just closes a system process or service of some kind that messes with messaging. Its really an example of poor coding by samsung.

Sent from my always stock, EC05 Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] Tahde:
I just did a level 1 closing 0 and then a level 2 (radio reset) closing 14. I was able to send text with no problems at all so far. Will report back as well.
[Epic 4G General] Darkk69:
You know with these kinds of issues of something simple like texting it should just friggin work!!

Samsung really dropped the ball on this one. I am on stock rom before the EC05 update and on occasion the stupid text msgs wouldn't go through. I tried toggling the airplane mode and that didn't work. Finally I rebooted it and it worked.

I was like WTF? Now obviously wouldn't work if there is no singal but had full bars and it wouldn't send! I was able to recieve ok but couldn't respond to them without a reboot. Retarded.

Come on Samsung!! Get it together!!

Darkk
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Totally agree...
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
Used to happen to me all the time, I never ever clear ram. But if you force close the messaging app from manage applications the messages will send again also

Ive stopped using the builtin mms and froze it, and use go sms pro, no problems since
[Epic 4G General] Tahde:
About 30 minutes ago my Epic wouldnt want to send anything. Sent test messages to my other two phones and it would just fail. Would not receive any messages either. Almost thought to go stock and reroot, but just did a battery pull and updated profile/PRL and its running now as if I've never had the problem. I think its going to come back.

I've always wondered this. I was under the impression that we needed the stock mms app in order for other messaging apps to work. If this problem happens again, I think I will go and freeze it and use something else.

Thanks for the intel.
[Epic 4G General] ringold24:
I have seen this issue with all 2.2 builds dk28-ec05. It seems to happens at random times but doesnt happen very often. the last time it happened to me im pretty sure it was cause i was trying to send and recieve a txt at the exact same time. A reboot usualy does the trick for me. after the reboot i noticed i had a new message that i wasnt recieving either while being unable to send. I never use lvl 1 or 2 ram cleaner. after ending tasks in the task manager the phone seems to manage its memory pretty well. It actualy seems worse after the lvl 2 clearing cause most of those processes it kills have to restart again. I notice on my phone the actual mb of ram available goes down for a bit after lvl 2
[Epic 4G General] tenaciousj:
+1 for me.

Anytime I've done a level 2 ram clear text would not send til I restarted.
[Epic 4G General] nerdtaco:
If you change the message by even one character it will send. Sometimes I get that error erroniously, and I end up double sending things.
[Epic 4G General] chris41g:
They use the built in mms but go sms has an option to be used without the stock mms, other 3rd party mms apps may also have this option..
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Very well written, except that it cannot be reproduced consistently. I'm no longer denying the fact that the Level 2 RAM clear can cause this issue, but I ill not say it does either.

Today, I am running stock EC05, no root. This is where the problem originated for me. I never had this problem with any version of Android on the Epic and I use to use the RAM clear constantly. Today, I used RAM Clear Level 2 all day. I can still send text messages everytime. I have been clearing it every hour on the hour, which usually produces a radio reset. I have rebooted the phone twice during the day to make sure it wasn't because the first RAM clear caused it not to happen again. The day is not over, but I cannot seem to reproduce the issue yet.

When I ran EC05 before, it constantly happened to me. I mean it seemed like every 2 hours I had to reboot because of ISI. So I will continue to use stock EC05 until it happens again. Tomorrow I will not use RAM clearing at all. If the issue arises I will report back with my results. Hopefully I can get a full log cat of the issue when it happens, or what happens before hand to see what is exactly causing the issue, but I think you are definitively on the right track.

Thank you for your input.

Korey
[Epic 4G General] cary328is:
Korey - thanks for posting this issue. I thought I was the only one who had ISI. I'm in the SAME exact situation as you. No root, stock EC05. I had EB13 and it was happening there as well. The only thing that remedied was a reboot as many have stated but it still comes back later. I hope we can get some resolution for this soon. I feel silly when friends text me with "was that text meant for me....YESTERDAY?"
[Epic 4G General] mkasick:
I've never bothered to do a "level 2" task kill prior to today. After reading this, I tried it and sure enough SMSes wouldn't go out. I started debugging it, and that's what I found. I tried it a few more times after reboot and saw the same thing happen fairly reliably.

There could easily be other reasons why SMSes won't send that aren't related to the issue I described. Fortunately we now have some simple diagnostic steps that would help determine if there's multiple casuses to the issue or not.

Should folks run into this again in the future, particularly if it was not after a task kill, if you can, run:

adb shell 'dumpsys > /sdcard/dumpsys.txt; logcat -df /sdcard/logcat.txt'

and zip the resulting dumpsys.txt & logcat.txt, and post or even PM them to me. That will help confirm what's going on.

Race conditions are funny like that. TWS affected people similarly, some folks always had it, others never did. Definitely makes them frustratingly difficult to debug.

I understand running a task killer doesn't always have adverse effects. But it doesn't surprise me if they do. I'd be much more alarmed if folks were having problems sending SMSes when never doing task kills, and that's suggestive of something completely different, and would be worth taking a closer look at if we can get logs for it.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Do you ever use a task killer or the RAM level 2 clear?

I will definitively send it to you. I can actually send the logs too, but I'll send them too you to be sure of my findings. It's kinda ridiculous that this is happening. I know they said don't use task killers on froyo, but this isn't what they meant by adverse affects for using them.
[Epic 4G General] pockermj:
Have same problem. Going into task manager and clearing level 2 memory usualy does the trick.
[Epic 4G General] cary328is:
I've used both and neither seem to have an effect at all. The problem is very difficult to replicate consistently. Some days it doesn't happen at all. It's most annoying when the texts are super important
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
By doing to trick, you mean causing the problem or fixing the issue?

Yes I know the feeling...
[Epic 4G General] sensor32:
I am on EB13 and the problem is with it as well. It is inconsistent.