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[Xoom General] gogol:
See this:

http://www.slashgear.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer-walkthrough-video-02144086/

The nicest thing about this eee p t is that remote desktop which works on both Windows and Mac. You can even watch video which is playing on the remote machine ... quite flawlessly.

That's true, I think there is no built-in USB. But you can use the docking keyboard.

And about the price, I don't think it is more expensive than Xoom including the keyboard.

16GB model = 429 GBP

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Transf...1_1?ie=UTF8&s=computers&qid=1301808535&sr=8-1

How much the 32GB? I cannot find one in the Amazon.co.uk to make comparison.

But, we can "estimate".

How much additional cost for 32GB? Let say $100 USD ... that translate roughly 62GBP. We got 491 GBP ...

Xoom 32GB on Amazon.co.uk = 519 GBP

Pretty damn cheap with those keyboard, gorilla glass, much better screen (IPS) ...

Now compare that price to Xoom ... Xoom simply can't beat that price.
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
The remote desktop looks very nice. I wonder if it will work with Ubuntu? Or will VNC or something similar allow me watching movies from my main computer like they showed in the video with their remote desktop?
[Xoom General] e.mote:
The Xoom isn't a good price barometer, since most every tab following it will be cheaper.

Cost aside, USB is pretty essential, especially as more USB periph driver support gets added. Many USB use (flash keys) would be on-the-go, and lugging the dock around is a damn hassle. The added weight/size defeats the purpose of a tablet, which is for portability.

I understand why there's no built-in USB: so you'd have to buy the dock. The $400 is a lowball price. The practical config would be $475-500 w/ the dock, and the real traveling weight is 2+ lbs. Not that thrilling.

But that's IMO. I realize many are excited about it, since their price reference is still the Xoom, so anything less is considered a bargain. Also the integrated KB appeals to some. I myself prefer a BT keyboard that can be used for multiple devices rather than just one.

As for the remote desktop app, it's not hard to find one. I'd just as soon have stock HC (with a good media player), and anything I need, I'll add on my own. The more stock it is, the easier to use 3rd-party FW.

On price refs: I think the initial wave of HC tabs in April/May will be $400-500 (let's thank Apple for setting the ceiling low). These are mostly 1st-tier guys. The main release for summer--read: in time for back-to-school shopping--will be $300-400, and $200 for lower-end tabs. HC should hit AOSP release in April/May, so by Sept, even the low-end ones will have HC.

Edit:

>You can even watch video which is playing on the remote machine ... quite flawlessly.

Honestly, I doubt it. Not unless you like slideshows or super-low res. Any video playback would require the services of a media server, which is outside the realm of remote desktop apps.
[Xoom General] Vyse666:
I've since learned that the Asus does use a proprietary USB cord to connect the tablet to the PC via the docking port.

Now all I need to know is:

1) Can the Asus UI/launcher be turned off by removing the launcher default in the applications menu?

2) Is the bootloader unlockable?
[Xoom General] gogol:
I only pointed you about the price comparison to see if it is a good deal or not versus the Xoom, and you got the result already.

That's true, but you most likely will sit in a chair and put the tablet on a table while connected to USB, because it requires a cable. So, docking while using USB connection is more or less the same. No problem with docking there in terms of using USB.

The 429 GBP price is "including" the dock.

Asus EeePad Transformer TF101 10.1 inch Tablet PC (nVidia Tegra2 1GHz, 1Gb, 16Gb eMMC, WLAN, BT, Android 3.0)

with docking station

Me personally, I would love to buy WITHOUT that keyboard and give me just dongle or proprietary connector for USB :)

I guess you have not seen that video? :)

Yupe, and people will be smart enough to choose ...

Smart enough to differentiate from good, bad, or OVERPRICED :)

There will be good tablet with good hardware, but that does not mean priced well.

Again, probably you have not seen that video from SlashGear. Granted, we don't know the detail, but judging from that video, it is very impressive. Probably it is proprietary thing from Asus, no clue.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
@Vyse666

Dock connectors are always proprietary. For other specifics, ask the Asus dude,

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=206353

Keep in mind he's a marketing rep, so for the nitty-gritty, you'd probably need to wait until a tech type gets his hands on one.

@gogol

>That's true, but you most likely will sit in a chair and put the tablet on a table while connected to USB, because it requires a cable.

A cable is a fair bit lighter than a dock to carry around, not to mention cheaper. That's assuming one needs a cable. Some upcoming tabs will have full-sized USB ports, eg Acer Iconia A series.

>The 429 GBP price is "including" the dock.

Yes, different regions have different pricing and configuration, and what's "cheap" varies, including what you the buyer think is cheap. The hoopla that started was over the USD$400 price, which is sans dock. Anyway, like I said, it depends on your reference price.

Re: Video - First, it's a marketing presentation, which shouldn't be taken as gospel. Second, the video clip only runs for a few seconds, and is in a window. Third, the guy is standing next to laptop, and we can assume optimal wifi strength, which isn't usually the case.

I think you are drawing too much conclusion from 3-seconds' worth of a promo clip. If it were such a breakthrough (and believe me, a remote access app that can also play fullscreen HD vids thru wifi would indeed be a shocker), you'd see it front and center for the marketing glossy.

>Probably it is proprietary thing from Asus, no clue.

I doubt that Asus has invented a whole new protocol for remote access. Assuming it can play vids, it's probably some sort of RDP-on-Lnx adaptation, as VNC has lower perf. NX?

A remote-access app has an entirely different focus than a video streamer, and is probably the least efficient way to do video streaming, especially through a slow pipe that is wifi.

Speaking of wifi, a good question to ask the Asus rep would be if the tab supports the 5GHz band. The spec sheet says "802.11 b/g/n" rather than the "a/b/g/n" that typifies dual-band, and could mean 2.4GHz only.

All that said, I hope everyone (including other vendors) gets fixated on the Xformer's $400 price. That would help drive down prices faster.
[Xoom General] a042349:
Actually Splashtop Remote (in the market) does a really good job, on my wireless G network, of being both a remote control/VNC like app AND streaming movies playing on the host PC.

It's pretty crummy over 3G (slideshow - but I have slow-upload DSL service) but from inside my firewall, it's surprisingly good.

YMMV
[Xoom General] e.mote:
Thanks for the pointer. A candidate to check out.

I'm reading through its FAQ, and seems that it currently only supports 800x600 or 1024x768 for vid playback? No 1280x800?

If Splashtop is indeed as advertised, it would be the cure-all solution for Netflix/Hulu/high-profile H264/etc. Then again, may be not. Color me a skeptic.

From the reviews (which are decidedly mixed), it does employ OTF xcoding to downsample videos, in addition to running in a lower res. Still, good to have the option, as you said.

http://touchreviews.net/splashtop-remote-desktop-review-ipad/

http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/02/review-splashtop-remote-desktop-ipad/

http://www.148apps.com/reviews/splashtop-remote-desktop-review/
[Xoom General] a042349:
Yes. I saw that you actually said HD videos which ST doesn't really do after I posted. I'm actually having a router problem with an old Linksys that crashes now whenever i use ST on any of my devices, so I hadn't even tried it yet on my Xoom.

It worked pretty well on my galaxy tab, and dell streak when I had those. Expecting typical VNC like video slideshows I was surprised it worked as well as it did.

The funny thing is that this thread reminded me that I needed to swap out my buggy old Linksys G router for my new Linksys N model (with DD-WRT firmware).

Did that since my post here, one laptop back on wifi, only about 10 more devices, and lots of firewall ports to crack back open. Perfect work for a lazy sunday.

:)
[Xoom General] melax:
The Asus tablet is now listed on the amazon UK site

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Transf...1_1?ie=UTF8&s=computers&qid=1301843822&sr=8-1
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
I don't understand the obsession with keyboards on tabs. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a tab, the travel bulk becomes worse than a really thin laptop. My son has a $800 ASUS which is really light, fast and small with a 13.3" screen.

Look at the Dell Pearl dimensions: 13.03 x 9.05 x 0.65

Tabs may be a fad after all.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
As I use my Xoom, I'm tending to agree with you. The Xoom has JUST the right width to make thumb typing using Thumb Keyboard mostly comfortable. An inch more width would make typing much more difficult.

I'm still debating between the Xoom and the Asus, but this gives me something more to think about. The dock/keyboard combo is attractive (especially given the brilliant decision to add a battery to it), but I imagine using it as a tablet for casual notetaking more than as a notebook.

I think the overall build quality will be the final deciding point for me. If it's at all cheaply built (and at that price point, doesn't it almost have to be?), then I'll stick with the Xoom.
[Xoom General] Fisken:
1) you havent seen the 30 min video i suppose, because if you see it then you will find out the it isnt there (: - And i am gald of that ! - The only thing there is there is a live wallpaper from asus (:

2) we will see - But i hope so

it has since thuesday, ive all ready pre ordered

I have a question thow will there be a xda forum for it ? because it realeses this month and it isnt here yet, but the gt 10.1 got one and the only thing we know of it is the new version that will come in june...

So its time ti get a Asus eee pad transformer forum !!!
[Xoom General] inakipaz:
We need to generate more noise with more threads around till admins notice an actual forum is needed.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>The Xoom has JUST the right width to make thumb typing using Thumb Keyboard mostly comfortable. An inch more width would make typing much more difficult.

People have varying hand strength and hand span, so what's the right size/wt would be a personal thing. I have XS hands, and a 7" is barely palmable.

A popular complaint with the 1st iPad is with its weight, and no doubt is the reason for a lighter iPad 2. For some demographics--women, kids, older adults--a lighter and more compact tab would be desirable. I foresee a range of tabs, from 5" to 10", as the tab market matures. I personally prefers the 4:3 aspect over the 16:9. Gotta agree w/ Jobs on that one.

One thing I'd like to see is some sort of a built-in handgrip in the back, so you don't have to grip a tab at the edge, which is more tiring (and leaves more fingerprints). There are some aftermarket case/stand that allow this, but it'd be a marketing bullet point for a tab with better ergonomics.
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
The Asus EeePad's website is now live:

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=gHh4q7I8dvWJzhdV

No release date or pricing, but obviously we're looking at $399 for 16gb and $499 for 32gb versions from previous leaks.

Also should be noted that in the Specifications tab, it refers to a "Mid-April" FOTA update to enable 'MyCould' on the device. We could be seeing this thing sooner than you think!!
[Xoom General] dmoney94:
This is a WINNER
[Xoom General] e.mote:
This answers one of my questions re the Xformer,

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=2636970&postcount=74

This answers another,

>WLAN 802.11 b/g/n@2.4GHz

On a more positive note,

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=2634067&postcount=61
[Xoom General] willverduzco:
Passed on to my superiors...
[Xoom General] bluezz:
More noise being created here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1014048
[Xoom General] <stu>:
I've been following the transformer with interest, but the lack of usb on the tablet makes it a no-go for me. What happens when you're away from home and you don't have the proprietry cable with you? Or you want to plug in a usb stick like you can on the Advent Vega?

Shame, but I think I'm gonna have to give it a miss :(
[Xoom General] Charlie_Don't_Surf:
When I heard about this I was considering returning my Xoom wifi to best buy before Sunday (14 day policy) however now I'm not so sure. One thing which is a big deal to me is the usb connectivity. I don't even mean host capabilities but rather hooking it up to a pc and transferring files. While I would kill for that LED backlit IPS, I don't know if I can justify losing that ability. When you throw in that it is not stock HC, we're not sure if it's unlocked/unlockable, and the camera doesn't appear to have a flash the deal starts to sour a little.

I have until Sunday to make that decision (like I'm sure most people here do too) but I'm already leaning towards keeping it.
[Xoom General] Vyse666:
I'm the same position.

Here are some insights I can share:

1. The Transformer comes with a proprietary USB cable, which isn't ideal but still nice to have.

2. I contacted this Youtuber that has the Transformer and asked him to try disabling the Asus Launcher. He confirmed you can revert back to the stock launcher. It seems Waveshare isn't a skin like Blur. It's a launcher with applications.
[Xoom General] ghodzilla5150:
I am keeping my Xoom. There is NO way I would take it back to get the Transformer. I HAVE to have drag and drop capabilities. What's the purpose of having a keyboard on a Tablet. If that's the case, I will just bust out my laptop that has tons more functionality. I use the Xoom to surf while watching TV, while out and about (Dr.s Office etc. etc). I have no use for a keyboard on my Xoom.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
The Asus won't be the only one getting an IPS screen. MSI Windpad 100A, among others, will sport one,

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2031773/msi-windpad-100a-android-tablet-video-demo

Prelim price target is €400, although it will be cheaper, since it arrives later (June) and MSI is a less "premium" brand than Asus. Ditto for Acer's. In other words, the Asus Xformer will likely act as price ref for the Taiwan Teg2 crop.

Vendors know the hot buzzwords that gets consumers jumping--IPS screen, dual-core, Chimpanzee glass, yada yada. Count on seeing more vendors using these.

Per here, we should see Teg2 in more low-ends as well.

http://www.micdigi.com/2011/04/shen...ch-their-tegra2-tablet-with-their-own-scheme/

If it's true that there is no OOB uSD support for the Xformer (like the Xoom), it may well be best to just wait until summer for a fully functional HC release.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
I see two advantages to the Asus keyboard dock. First, the battery is huge, and I believe i saw in one video that it actually recharges the Eee Pad rather than just acting as another inline battery. That would need confirmation, of course. Second, though, for long-form writing, the keyboard would be key. I'll probably get one for the Xoom if I don't get this, so I can't completely discount the keyboard myself.
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
Extra battery life + keyboard required for taking notes in class (I'm in College). These are the 2 things for me. The Xoom is awesome, but I NEED a full functioning keyboard sometimes in order for this to replace my laptop fully.

I'm just not going to carry around a tablet and a laptop. That completely defeats the purpose of having a tablet for me. I'm going to bring one or the other.

Some people don't have a need for the keyboard. And if you don't then the EeePad is just a Xoom that is $100-$200 cheaper. I personally do need a keyboard and this looks amazing for me.

If someone just came out with a compelling keyboard case or something for the Xoom I'd check it out. But the EeePad really looks to have the same exact specs as the Xoom, but is the same price

including

the keyboard dock.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
This remains to be seen in the US, but if it IS the same price ($599 for 32GB wifi + keyboard dock), then I'm all over it.
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
Leaked shots on Amazon etc. showed $399 for the 16gb WiFi. So probably $499 for the 32gb WiFi and they keyboard should be in the $150 range.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>Extra battery life + keyboard required for taking notes in class (I'm in College). These are the 2 things for me. The Xoom is awesome, but I NEED a full functioning keyboard sometimes in order for this to replace my laptop fully.

Agree w/ keyboard being a necessity for college work, but saying a tab can fully replace a laptop at this stage is being optimistic.

It depends on what you use a tab for, of course. For basic note-taking and paper write-ups, the tab may be sufficient--although more advanced wp/spreadsheet features will be in wanting. If your major involves group work--to develop team skills, which is the rule for most majors--doc sharing and groupware will be a pain. Windows & Macs are still predominant.

Heck, tabs at this point can't even share USB keys. Yes, tabs are sexy and are getting everybody's attention, but there's no beating a netbook as a college essential.
[Xoom General] gubiguy:
This is such a tough decision...

I'm considering getting a Xoom for my birthday on the 23rd... but the eee Pad is so much cheaper and for some of that money you save, you can purchase a laptop-like dock with it.

The only turn off on the eee Pad (and I think everyone should consider this one a biggie: THE CUSTOM SKIN.

I have had HORRIBLE experiences when it comes to manufacturers laying a skin over Android and then updating it - they seem to take forever! I've owned an HTC Eris and a Samsung Fascinate (THE FASCINATE STILL DOES NOT OFFICIALLY HAVE 2.2..).

Can ANYONE vouch for Asus and their ability to provide proper updates to their devices? I'm sure that if we discover that Asus is really on-top of updating their devices, deciding between the Xoom and the eee Pad would be a no-brainer!
[Xoom General] Vyse666:
As I mentioned earlier, I asked this guy on Youtube that has a Transformer to try and disable the Asus Launcher, and he was successful. In other words, you can make it look exactly like stock 3.0.1 on day 1. As for future updates, it is anyone's guess, but Asus has already mentioned a mid-April OTA is coming.
[Xoom General] RMXO:
Transformer is a very tempting tablet. I'm going to wait until its released to make a decision. Lucky for me, I bought my Xoom at Costco, so I can return anytime I want.
[Xoom General] oawalker:
xoom price drop

In the uk the price of the xoom wifi has dropped to £479.99 at pc world, maybe to stay competitive.

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/motor...now-available-for-pre-order-09752543-pdt.html
[Xoom General] graffixnyc:
honestly.. if I need functionality of a keyboard I will just use my laptop or even my dell duo tablet/netbook. I use to be very anti onscreen keyboards and always felt I needed a physical keyboard on my phone and any tablet I got.. boy was I wrong. I also keep any files I might need (documents, school projects etc) in dropbox so I can access them on any device I'm on.

The fact that the EEE pad has the dock is nice, but I wouldnt ever use it.

And fyi I said this before even though the asus is only .03" thinner than the xoom and only .11lbs lighter I dont think you'll notice a difference there. but you WILL notice the almost extra inch added to the length over the xoom and is .30 wider than the xoom. Which means the xoom will be more comfortable to hold, type on etc since it's a little shorter and narrower. as of now typing on the xoom is comfortable (using thumb keyboard) and I think if an extra 1/2 inch was added to each side it would make it a little more cumbersome to type on
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
Well, I don't have laptop or netbook so Transformer looks very interesting. Although a normal tablet + bluetooth keyboard would suffice for my needs.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
I agree about the extra width, that would make using the tablet by itself that much harder (for me, too, the Xoom is JUST narrow enough in landscape to make thumb typing comfortable). And the keyboard part of the dock isn't that interesting--adding a Bluetooth keyboard to the Xoom is no big deal.

But, man, that extra battery... I do like the idea of being able to take the combo with me on day trips and have more than enough battery for a long day of always-on use, while also having the ability to use as a tablet or with the keyboard for long-form writing. I have to admit that it's pretty attractive from that perspective.

I saw in a video that the dock might recharge the tablet, not just act as another in-line battery. If true, that could be the clincher for me.
[Xoom General] craiggers14:
I've seen multiple times in videos that the keyboard dock will charge the tablet.
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
We'll just have to see how it feels in the hand. The iPad is a lot "bigger" than the Xoom because of its 4:3 screen layout, with a much larger bezel, but is still very usable. I think its about comfort in holding it.
[Xoom General] lilikin:
this is exactly why I wont be buying one I want stock HTC sense has taught me that!
[Xoom General] lordgodgeneral:
I'm pretty sure that one of the articles said that the Wave UI that Asus is putting on seemed nothing more then a custom wallpaper and some custom widet's/icons for the Honeycomb launcher, not a whole new UI like sense.
[Xoom General] Vyse666:
This is exactly what it is.

According to the Asus marketing guy on the Bit-Tech forum:

So yeah, the Transformer is pretty much stock. Whether or not Asus is timely with their updates remains to be seen. However, they already said they're rolling out an OTA mid-April to add the cloud stuff.

That said, Paul from Modaco is getting one, so the dev community will be there for updates.
[Xoom General] EGOvoruhk:
It's on Newegg, but no price. Hopefully that means it'll be launching soon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230019

Anyone hear anything about the bootloader being locked/unlocked? The second this thing is supported by Cyanogen, I'm grabbing one
[Xoom General] ninja984:
This was up at the same time as the best buy ad.
[Xoom General] gubiguy:
Personally, I'm starting to believe that the Xoom may be a more reputable product than the eee Pad. I work at Staples, and my store recently got the Xoom: it feels really sturdy/well built, so if I have to pay an extra $100 for something that I know is well-built/will receive many updates on time, then so be it.

One thing that would be really nice, however, is that laptop-like dock that the eee Pad is going to have. Is there anything like that for the Xoom out at the moment? (If so, please post it).

I'm sure that if there isn't any dock at the moment that one will eventually be made (I'd buy one in a heartbeat).
[Xoom General] error12:
Transformer PRICE 32 GB LEAK!

Hey I stumbled on this when i was searching for more information

Asus Eee Pad Transformer 10.1" Tablet with Android 3.0 Honeycomb

Asus (TF101-B1):

FRYS.com #: 6575523

Shipping:	Available for Preorder

Store Pickup:	Not Available

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Price:	$499.00

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Detailed Description

(Manufacturer # TF101-B1 )

Specifications:

NVIDIA Tegra 2 Processor

Memory:

1GB LPDDR2

Screen:

10.1” WXGA Touch Screen (1280x800)

Hard Drive:

32GB

Built in 1.2MP Webcam with Microphone/ Rear Camera 5.0MP

Wireless (802.11b/g/n)

Bluetooth

Operating System:

Android 3.0 Honeycomb
[Xoom General] error12:
USA PRICE FRYS for 32 GB

Hey its 499.99 for a 32 gb

google search cached both

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asus tf101-b1 for the 32 gb at 499 @ frys.com