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[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Not really man, I've seen a lot of tests where Verizon is the slowest of the four carriers in 3g.

Priced Verizon out a month ago just to keep informed and keep my options open, for the SAME EXACT service with insurance and just EVERYTHING I have it's $80 more a month.

And that's after the $10 addition to ALL four of our lines.

That $80 a month is a 50% increase over the price we pay for Sprint.

Not sure why you think that's not much more than Sprint?

I CAN get Verizon's cost to around what I'm paying...if I don't want insurance and a few other things we have...no thanks.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You're missing the point though. A lot of people want to switch for one specific reason -- better service. Not everyone is a value seeking customer. Sprint 3G data went to **** for a lot of people including me. WiMax is patchy and non-existent indoors, and even ignoring that, 4G is still too battery hungry to replace 3G. Plus Verizon just has better coverage. It may be surprising but some people are willing to pay more for better service.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
The 3g issue is slowly but surely getting fixed.

I understand what you're saying, I really do, but he was making the claim that Verizon isn't much more expensive than Sprint-- and that's what I was replying to....with a real life example that shows how completely untrue that statement is.

I never made any comment comparing service.

Read the conversation before commenting?
[EVO 4G General] PM-Performance:
Im curious as to if any of this is being implemented yet.

Sprint plays stupid with me when i call to open tickets on horrid 3G speeds.

I noticed speeds in the last few weeks in surrounding areas are much much faster then they have ever been. My house still kinda sucks, but surrounding area are deffinately getting there.

I still say their 3G tanked soo much with all their new phones they released in the last year and everyone switching over. Kinda like when ATT's network wasnt ready for the onslaught of Iphone users and new customers wanting the iphone and using more data.

First months my Evo rocked. Once everyone and their mother got one and all the other new phones as new customers the network bogged big time!
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Did I or did I not say for a single line? Can you read?
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
This is what im saying. You call in to get the issue addressed and they play stupid like they dont know whats going on. POOR business model.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What I said was relevant. You said you get less for about the same price, my post was pointing towards the fact that you get better service attached to the plan which should be taken into account.

Anyway, here's what I would get for a individual Verizon plan:

$60 - 900 minutes (Add your GV number to one of your friends and family, and now you have unlimited calling). Great coverage.

$30 data - Use GV for texting + great EVDO/SVDO(?)/LTE

$10 more than Sprint's $80 smartphone plan with the added perk of unlimited calling even to land lines. But that also makes it $10 less than Sprint's unlimited calling plan.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Doesnt really matter, by that time the Bionic will be out on VZW... as well as the LG Revolution, Droid X 2 and the Galaxy S 2 and the Xperia. All dual core just like the Evo 3D. EVERYONE is coming out with power phones now so it doesnt really matter much. And honestly there still isnt a phone thats been announced YET with better specs than the SGS2.. including the Evo 3D. Im just sayin though...most tech people dont keep phones long anyways. 9 times out of 10 ill be switching to the Bionic when it drops... also its coming with a 1930 mAH battery. Will be coming with the Tegra 2 in contrast to the Snapdragon also. So yea, I dont think people that do switch will be too hurt about not having 3D on their phones.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
All those tests were pre-early 2010. Sprint is hauling the back now. AT&T and T-Mo have HSPA+, easily besting any US CDMA carrier. Verizon has stayed pretty constant with their EVDO speeds (~1.5mbps), Sprint USED to be great at EVDO (1.5-2+ Mbps) but as the threads show, that has changed.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Yeah I notice the same thing.

A neighboring area had the SAME issues that we were having here and now they've fixed it and the 3g speeds are 2mbit / sec all the time.

Actually, you didn't.

But NICE TRY with your attempt at being an asshole.

I guess YOU don't read what you type eh?
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
I said that for me to cut back the price to WHAT I PAY SPRINT NOW, I would have to cut out a lot of different services.

I don't remember which ones but I think unlimited data and unlimited texts were two things I couldn't have if I wanted the same price with Verizon.

And the coverage argument really is silly.

I have 3g everywhere I go, all over the country and I've NEVER EVER had a dropped call with Sprint in 9 years of service. [I've personally been to 22 different states in the past few years and NOT always major city areas, especially during the drives]

At any rate, I wasn't comparing the coverage, I was saying that for the different things I get, Sprint is $80 / month cheaper than Verizon.

I've seen Verizon test as low as 500k in some cities.

Can't find the report though.

Verizon was the slowest of the four carriers and this was only in January of this year.

[3g of course, nothing 4g]
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Well I guess I figured most people with common sense would've figured that if I said it was only $10 more I was talking about a single line. Guess I gave you too much credit on that front. *shrug*
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
The only $10 you spoke of what in reference to the Sprint charge.

Again, you fail.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
I dont know about any city but mine, and here Sprint is second from last in data speed only being faster than Metro PCS. And that's just 3G, wont even mention 4G. Which is why VZW is better for ME.. that along with better coverage. You say you've never been anywhere that you didnt have Sprint 3G? Take a trip down here to Georgia where once you go south of Atlanta, between Newnan ALL the way to Florida you're roaming on VZW unless you're on the interstate. Or the trip from Atlanta to Huntsville where you get no service between Anniston for 2.5 hours all the way to Huntsville. I've had Sprint for a while and done quite a bit of traveling myself and honestly my Alltel service was better than Sprint was. When they got bought by VZW thats what made me switch to Sprint to begin with.. only to end up back on VZW. Go figure.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Ok im being slow today, I made that post in the other thread. This is what I was referring to.

And honestly if I wanted to I could just drop my talk and text to a regular talk plan and use gv for texts and it'd actually be CHEAPER than what I pay for my Sprint line. I'm just sayin though.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Haven't been to the south with Sprint service so cannot comment.

With Google Voice integration with Sprint I doubt that would be the case.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Lol too funny

Wake up homie.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You know what's the best part about Sprint vz Verizon pricing battles? Nobody really does "research" of the "tiny" things. Sprint, with 450 minutes (let's not forget any mobile anytime), unlimited text, unlimited data, navigation, tv, detailed billing, visual voicemail and insurance comes to $86.99. The reason i've included all that is because it comes STANDARD with Sprint at no additional cost.

Verizon comes to $110.13

That's a savings of $23.14 a month, or $555.36 throughout your 2 year contract (Verizon no longer does yearly upgrades) - the price of any new smart phone at full retail. While I always say go with the best service possible, let's not keep saying the prices are "close" because they're still not.

Now guess how much more a month it costs to get on Sprints new premier program to upgrade yearly for individual lines? $20.00, and you only need to do it for 3 months.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I don't see any value in things most people don't even use. Sprint TV? Good luck with that on a <500 Kbps EVDO connection, and even if it did work, who uses Sprint TV? Sprint Navigations? Who'd use that over Google Navigation?

I said it earlier - $89.98 gets you unlimited calling via Google Voice + Friends & Family, unlimited texting via Google Voice, and "unlimited" LTE. Those little free extras are all better replaced by Google apps (Visual voicemail, navigation, etc). Your argument is illogical and has got to be straight out of the Sprint rep playbook. Matter of fact, aren't you a Sprint rep yourself?

But the most important reason why you'd switch: BETTER DATA AND COVERAGE.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Now, when you work in my business, good luck explaining to a customer why they should download an application to use basic things their providers should be giving them. People want ease. Remember, we're not the majority. When a customer calls in Verizon doesn't go "yeah we're $20 more a month but download google maps, it's way better than our navigation and its free!"

Like I said, everything I included comes standard with Sprint, I'm comparing apples to apples, you're not.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Who care's about the average customer. This is a thread on XDA not some Sprint corporate meeting. Most people on here would take advantage of those things, we're not blind to Verizon's nickel and dime'n or Sprint's meaningless free perks.
[EVO 4G General] Mad_Dog238:
I'll tell you what I hate....i hate paying 10 bucks a month for 4g when Norfolk, VA doesn't have 4g yet. Now they are finally doing testing after 7 months of owning the EVO. My $10 alone is insignificant. But when you multiply that cost times 30,000 sprint users in this area monthly, that sure is a whole lot of money
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
There's ton of XDA members like this as well, not everybody here is like us. With the blowup of smartphones there more regular people here now then there us you or I. You have a really hard time admitting you're wrong, i've noticed that, but it's okay. I know where you're coming from and you know where i'm coming from.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Ok, lets pretend we're all retarded then. Everyone start throwing cash at Sprint/Verizon and stop caring about good service. Don't forget to unroot your phones and start paying $29.99. All of these things apparently don't matter.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Ill say it again I'm comparing apples to apples. Read my first post too in case you missed where I always say go where service is good but price wise, which is what the conversation is about, it's not close.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
i did a little research into google voice.. for unlimited calling ...

and what I read.. it dont work. you dial a number in google voice.. but it routes your call out via your phone line and minutes. it is not a voice over IP...

text with google .. may be fast .. maybe slow.. 5-60mins...

for texting.. that aint going to work for ME!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
You don't pay for 4g.

/sigh

Truf.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Verizon has unlimited calling for 5 friends and family. If you add your GV number to one of those unlimited numbers you end up getting unlimited calling since you call out to your GV to connect.
[EVO 4G General] blakeboys:
Your right, if any one spends any time answering questions in the q&a like you or I do then we know there are more and more regular people...
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Alright so we know the next thing Verizon's going to do, get rid of your 5 friends and family free thing.
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Ha ha ha

Sent from my Evo, ho!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
True statement.

Sent from my spaceship!
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Truth

Sent from my Evo, ho!
[EVO 4G General] BlueScreenOfTOM:
I'm going to be interested to see what happens after the AT&T-Mobile merge, when VZW and AT&T-Mobile make up 80% of the market. Seems like Sprint is going to have to offer some pretty interesting perks to entice people away from the duopoly, but at the same time they'll have even less money to burn.

I think it would be cool if they dumped iDEN and used the spectrum for a totally LTE network. It'd have great building penetration, much better than their CDMA network and tons better than the spectrum they're using for WiMAX. They could advertise "the US' first totally-LTE network". It'd be awesome if they got a roaming agreement with VZW like they have now, to fill in the coverage gaps (if any).

I know I'm just dreaming, and it would probably take at least 2 years to build out such a network...
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
And what about the fact that some of us have been having issues where Sprint texts dont go through AT ALL? And thats through the NATIVE texting app. Hell the GV app for texts has been more reliable than Sprint texts the last two months. People keep trying to find ways to legitimize the fact that Sprint isnt a better value than VZW anymore but im sorry thats just not the case.

There are several people here that have reported texts being delayed for DAYS or not getting them at all.. but I guess they should be patient and wait on Sprint to finish "updating their towers?" And speaking of the average consumer, the same people that they're telling over the phone that there isnt an issue to begin with? Yea, that makes a lot of sense.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Wake up? You're going to dispute the fact that the Evo 3D has better specs than the SGS2 or the Bionic with a snapdragon in it as compared to the Tegra 2? Seriously? Dont embarass yourself. And I think its safe to say that whole "3D" thing is nothing more than a gimmick at this point just like it is on the tv's. All of these phones are basically the same, the other two just have a better processor and were announced earlier in the year than the Evo 3D. Basically meaning people wont have to wait until the summer to get em. Between January and June, which is what... two whole quarters, the only offerings Sprint has is a windows phone (which wont sale much) and the Echo (enough said).

Thats another area that VZW has a leg up on Sprint to me. Sprint will get the Evo 3D and MAYBE one other power phone this whole year where as VZW will probably get 5+. And even though I wont be getting it, with the push back it looks like Apple will be offering an LTE Iphone this year also.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
And now that I look at the leaked roadmap for VZW, in April and May alone VZW is dropping not one... not two but EIGHT phones. Hell if I have to pay $10-15 extra a month for that i'm definitely not gonna complain. Samsung Charge, Xperia, HTC Trophy, HTC Incredible 2, LG Revolution, Bionic, Droid X 2 and Galaxy S 2. Im gonna spend a lot of money on phones this year. :D
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
Monday, I've went to one of Sprint's LTE soft markets to evaluate the process, and the speeds blew me away. It was even better than Verizon's, and I've hit 55Mpbs (speeds will change drastically once bottleneck takes a toll, and network gets clogged) Include that with their 1X Advanced/Multi-Mode towers/Fiber cable upgrades, and Sprint will be straight on both their 3G/4G frontbenches.

3 Problems: 1.) Sprint and Clearwire on-going problems with each other, with their entire 4G rollout/upgrades at a complete stop. 2.) Running two different technologies will not be cheap, though Sprint Network Vision will slightly solve that. 3.) By the time Sprint launches their Network Vision on select markets, many customers will switch to Verizon's LTE.
[EVO 4G General] Mad_Dog238:
I understand where you are coming from when you say we don't pay for 4g. Sprint told me the $10 monthly fee is required because the Evo 4g will only work in a 4g capable environment. Soooo..because we dont have 4g yet where i am at, the $10 monthly charge is to activate a mechanism that allows the Evo to work on a 3g-only network. But...that $10 is the same $10 active sprint 4g users pay for 4g service . So yes we do pay for 4g!
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
With all due respect, I don't care what a customer service representative told you.

They have people working in the technical department that think that "having too many apps installed slows your internet connection."

No where on your policy, if you read it which most don't, does it say the $10 is for 4g.

It actually has always had the title of "premium data."
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Lol go read something dude. You obviously missed the fact that this new quallcomm chipset has literally beat the tegra2 in every benchmark. But don't let facts get in the way of your bigred koolaid.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] psirex:
I cosign the speeds here are HORRIBLE!

GUILDERLAND here - where you from?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
The GPU is probably better - not surprising since the Tegra 2 has been around since early 2010. The Tegra 2 3D coming out in the middle of this year will likely come out on top again and the Tegra 3 coming out late this year will crush everything in sight. The CPU? Probably not. You're probably referring to the Andatech article which used a development 1.5 GHz chip. That may make it's way into tablets where the batteries are bigger but I highly doubt it will be in phones. The EVO 3D uses the 1.2 Ghz variant. The newer A9 cores are roughly 25% faster than the A8 - which is the core the Qualcomm Scorpion core is based off of. The dual core Scorpion chips are upclocked to 1.2 Ghz (compared to the 1 Ghz A9 Tegra) but will likely bench marginally slower and very likely at a higher power draw. You've got to remember that the Scorpion core has been around for years now, Qualcomm has mostly (only?) just shrunk it.
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Fail

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] Khilbron:
Why are you SOOOO hyped about the tegra 2. Anandtech has already Benched the msm8660 snapdragon running the adreno 220, and compared it to the Tegra2, it kicked the tegra2 in the balls and spit on it while it was down.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/3

You mention the EVO3D uses the 1.2ghz variant, which is untrue, they are doing to the EVO3D what they did with the shift, they are underclocking the 1.5 to 1.2, which means the EVO3D can easily be brought back up to the speeds used in the bench.
[EVO 4G General] psirex:
What u think the speeds for sprint in upstate/albany area are good? NO 4G/WIMAX.......
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Oh yeah, the SMALLER cooler, more energy efficient Tegra 2 can't be overclocked like crazy.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
lol.. plus IDGAF how fast it processes if I have to use it with 0.005 kb/s download speeds. It's like having a Corvette with a governer set at 55 mph.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Honestly, we get it.

You hate Sprint.

Get out of the ETF, sell your Evo and move on with life if you're so horribly unhappy.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Im just gonna give it to my sister. She only talks and texts so im sure she'll be fine.
[EVO 4G General] Hazelfoot:
I don't even have 3G coverage on Sprint only 25 miles east of St. Louis. The only time using my smart phone as an actual smart phone is remotely possible is when I can get on wifi.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
With all due respect, if you never had coverage then you probably shouldn't go with them to begin with.
[EVO 4G General] tke0834:
LOL I get that with 5 bars....
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...an-sprints-wimax-4g-says-independent-testing/

sprint has major PR work to do!!!
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Yeah because if they don't agree with you then they are retarded. The only person retarded here is you for staying with Sprint past their 30 day policy.

Pocket posted...
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
While tethering? I wonder how the Evo was set up, depending on your set up you may get 1Mb down tethering while 8 or 9 down through the phone.
[EVO 4G General] AbsolutZeroGI:
Has anyone brought up that there are millions more people on Sprint's 4g than on Verizon's 4g?

Go connect to a cable connection at a school with 1000 students on it. Watch the superfast internet sputter. Then go home to your personal cable connection and get MBs faster speed. Then go online and slander the provider of the school's internet for being "slow". It's crap and only the negligent and unintelligent morons of the consumer world would care about these stupid tests. Unfortunately, since there's a great number of those people in the consumer base, watch Verizon stock skyrocket here soon.

They are very likely no faster or slower than the other one, but Sprint has WAY more traffic on their 4g since it's been out longer and has way more subscribers.

It's simple networking, get over it. When Verizon has millions of people on their 4g connection, it'll start to lag a little too. It's the way of 1s and 0s.
[EVO 4G General] churro7:
I will go to vz when 4g comes to Fresno n a better phone than thunderbolt is out

Sent from Snarf with an Epic
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Wimax has NEVER seen the speeds LTE is getting even when there was no one on the network.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Yes, it was, in the beginning.

Lets also keep in mind that while the evo was the first PHONE to have wimax capabilities ...there were already hotspots released that could utilize the wimax for what...a year?

Unlike Verizon where right now the ONLY device using Lte is the thunderbolt.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
I know you're just trying to troll but I'll bite anyways. Samsung has had WiMAX running at 300Mb/s while those LTE speeds you are getting average what, 10Mb/s? With a peak of 30 under impossibly perfect conditions?

Clear is only using 10MHz of bandwidth for their WiMAX, when they bump it up to the 20MHz it is supposed to be running at speeds will increase exponentially.

Even though none of that really matters unless you are trying to brag about your e-peen size. Right now the only reason you would need speeds that high is for running a web server.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
yes.. true..

but I am going to assume these testers are smart enough to make it fair and have settings to allow for clean pass through data throughput.

I am in DFW (one of the original wimax areas) and my 3G and 4G for sprint does look that bad.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
Don't ever assume.
[EVO 4G General] jstone5243:
I called sprint told them I didn't get service in my house and they gave me an airrave for a 100 deposite no monthly charge now I get great service!
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Sprint's Clear WiMax has always been capped right around 12Mbps/1Mbps for down/up. I've tested the the thunderbolt at a consistent 15 Mbps in NYC. I've seen reports of over 20 Mbps in other areas. Sprint's WiMax has never been that fast. Ever.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
LTE has achieved very high speeds in testing too. We're talking about commercial deployments - the stuff WE would use, in this case, Sprint's Clear WiMax.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Sorry to tell you but I have gotten 15mbps on many occasions and when wimax was first documented in cm7 shift published his speeds. I believe 18mbps as well as 15mbps.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I've seen very isolated things like that too. I once got 14 Mbps. Even hit 1.4 Mbps on upload once. But I bet you a $100 bucks that you don't get consistent speeds like that.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
And a bet you $100 in three years you wont get those speeds on Verizon's lte.

You're forgetting that the wimax network has been in use that long.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You also forget that Verizon is way bigger ($$$) than both Sprint and Clear.
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
No consistently I get 8 - 10 but not a noticeable difference.I don't tether that much too see a difference.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7