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[Xoom General] Arun01:
Hmm yea i've heard a few people say that too.
[Xoom General] krat0s123:
+100000.. To the point where you'd actually rather use a mouse and keyboard than it's touch capability..
[Xoom General] graffixnyc:
I have a dell duo which is a 10 inch windows tablet/netbook. I agree win 7 is tough for touch interfaces but there are ways you can fix that. I adjusted a bunch of settings to make it more touch friendly
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
It is like the inverse of 2.2 on a tablet. As we now know it has to be built for a tablet from the ground up!
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
I have three windows based tablets: A Viliv X70, A Viliv S5 and an HP 2510US. All are running windows 7 and all are gathering dust.

Believe what the others on this forum are saying. Windows is an awful operating system for tablets. Its just painful to use. Even with a fast processor, somehow everything seems to bog down and crawl. Just scrolling a PDF file becomes a chore.

Stick to Windows for Laptops and Netbooks, and Android for tablets. You'll be much happier.

And if you think an Android convertible will give you the best of both worlds, I found that the trade-off in thickness and bulk with a convertible made it easier to just use my cell phone or a laptop then a convertible tablet. Becomes painful and awkward to hold after a while.

Edit: Might have to amend that last statement: just took a look at the Asus eee Pad transformer - seems the keyboard completely separates from the main tablet so you aren't forced to hold the added bulk. I guess, if one was willing to carry the keyboard around, I could see something like that being pretty useful.
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
The Asus 12'' Win7 slate has stylus (with pressure sensitivity!) - so it's no problem to click even small icons. On the other hand the battery live is very short and it has two fans. I was considering it but will probably buy Android device instead.
[Xoom General] leoncarpenter01:
Yeah, I was semi interested till I saw 2 hour battery life under normal usage. I'll stick with my Xoom.
[Xoom General] pub00515:
Guys,

I don't mean the Windows version of the ASUS tablet but the transformer.

It runs Honeycomb just like the Xoom and according to Facebook has a video playback duration of 9 hours.

Plus it's cheaper, lighter and has an IPS screen.
[Xoom General] fabian29906:
Have you put android on the duo to dual boot? If so how is it in comparison to IDK let's say the xoom? lol
[Xoom General] fabian29906:
Don't forget when put on the keyboard it DOUBLES your battery life! Supposedly a total of 16 hrs with both batteries!!!
[Xoom General] graffixnyc:
I did run a x86 version of android on it, it sucked. hahaha Now I just basically use it to take to school or work and dual boot win 7 and ubuntu although with the duo I've been using it more for ubuntu instead of windows. If it did come anywhere close I wouldnt have gone out and gotten a xoom :-P
[Xoom General] inakipaz:
Remember that in european countries VAT is actually included. What you see is what you get.
[Xoom General] inakipaz:
the transformer will be sold tomorrow on uk. hope someone make a video to compare screens and multi-touch.
[Xoom General] funnycreature:
I have grown rather fond of that feature, too, I have to admit!
[Xoom General] e.mote:
Some points:

Per the Asus TF specs, it's wifi b/g/n 2.4GHz (read: no 5GHz). The Xoom is dual-band.

The Archos Gen8 can't play many "scene" vids either, as it's limited to 720p HP@L3.1. HD animes are off-limits.

All of these Teg2 tabs would likely be from the same ref design. Value-adds are minimal, in exchange for fast time-to-market.

Re: Missing features - HC is still beta status. That it's missing SD-slot support (a fundamental function) should indicate just how unfinished it is.

Those expecting HC tabs to be iPad 2 killers will be disappointed. The OS isn't ready, let alone the apps. One hopes that by summer's end, HC should be in good enough shape for end-user consumption. Regardless, the various connectivity/UI features you wanted would more likely be in the next rev. It's a work-in-progress.

By fall/winter, news of the I- rev should drop, and we'll start this whole cycle again. Because iterations are so rapid, being orphaned will be a serious issue. Those on a 2-yr contract will have some interesting decisions to make.
[Xoom General] leeharo:
how does it feel when you are holding your transformer? is it as nice as xoom? i found the xoom quite comfortable to hold it by one hand..either horizontal/vertical..
[Xoom General] htc6500uk:
I found both equally comfortable but that is my personal opinion, I tried to steer clear of personal judgements in my summation of the two devices and just tried to report the facts that may not be readily available elsewhere and clear up some misleading rumours!
[Xoom General] leeharo:
i have pre-ordered a transformer as well and probably get it next thursday, so i have to make up my decision :( which one would you prefer then? :D
[Xoom General] htc6500uk:
As the title of my original post stated...I decided to keep the Transformer and return the Xoom. Price was a major factor..... When I originally ordered the Xoom it was £599 (32GB with 3G) - the Asus was around £370 with 16GB and without 3G. I have a Nexus One so I can easily tether a tablet to it so the 3G was not essential - just convenient. The additional memory on the Xoom might be useful but 16GB and a working card slot means that today I can actually have more useable memory on my 16GB Transformer than on a 32GB Xoom.

In the end, saving over £200 seemed like a no-brainer.
[Xoom General] leeharo:
that's exactly what i have concerned of..THE PRICE

i bought the wifi only Xoom for £479...while the transformer is only around £360

even if i purchase the keyboard dock it's still +55= 415

i am just worrying about the after-sale of ASUS..

and will they keep on updating their Android OS? really a good question to think about:rolleyes:
[Xoom General] sano614:
Will Motorola/Google continue to update the xoom with new updates? I haven't seen anything, and that's the only thing stopping me from getting one.

This isn't a Nexus device, so who knows what Moto will do...
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
Well both the Xoom and Transformer are stock Honeycomb devices, both of which running on just WiFi, so there is no carrier or manufacturer reason why these devices won't both get updates pushed straight from google.

I don't foresee any of these stock Honeycomb devices having issues getting updates. This is one reason why Google is pushing for no UI customizations, prompt updates!
[Xoom General] DeerChaser:
The Xoom is dual band. I much prefer 5 over 2.4 atleast around my house..
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
I am not aware of any device getting updates from Google. Every android device i ever had came from the manufacturer.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
Chipset vendors like Nvidia get the Android source and modify it for their platforms, called the Board Support Package (BSP). The device vendors (Asus, Moto, etc) get the BSP and modify it further for their particular devices. Without proprietary enhancements like a custom GUI, it's less work, but there is still some customization work.

There is safety in numbers. Many HC tabs use the Teg2 platform with minimal diffs, and ROM ports between devices should be easier. The NI Adam, Advent Vega, and VS GTab are examples of ROM quasi-interoperability. You still need some dev to do the work, but it's not the end of the world if the official support stops. This applies to the Teg2, not necessarily to other less-popular chipsets.
[Xoom General] linuxdood:
still would take the xoom over the transformer

Cause if I picked the transformer I wouldn't be typing this reply from my honeycomb tablet. We have the Xoom NOW!! Yes we pay extra as early adopters. Come with the territory. The Xoom still beats or meets any announced HC tablet on specs. And again we have it now, what makes the sale is no skin on the Xoom. Every HC vendor is skinning their kit. No. Thanks.
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
What I can say is the new MotoBlur 2.3 is incredible. I would opt for this if available. But then again 2.3 is the crowning achievement for Android. I am sure we are now competing easily with iOS based on 2.3's performance.

I can't wait for the tablet version that equals 2.3 for phones.
[Xoom General] htc6500uk:
You can't have read my previous post comparing the Xoom and the Transformer.

The Asus Transformer is not skinned - neither is the Acer A500. They just have some extra optional widgets/apps/wallpapers that are entirely optional.

As for being an early adopter - I guess you must be in the USA. The Asus Transformer and the Acer A500 were both available in the shops here before the Xoom. I was in a major UK PC Store yesterday and the staff had one Demo Xoom and yet to receive any Xooms to sell. They had sold out of the Asus Transformer but still had a few Acer A500's.

The whole point of my comparison was to clear up misinformation and clarify some of features on two Honeycomb tablets I had physically owned and had used.

As I understand it, Google is discouraging skinning.

Your post stating "Every HC vendor is skinning their kit" is just plain misleading and wrong.
[Xoom General] gogol:
Say what?

The screen?

The weight?

The size?

SD card?

Ports?
[Xoom General] meta96:
The Xoom is dual band

thank's for this information, funny, this really changes everything (especially for me) ...
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
I think I'll be getting a new xoom today and the transformer when it comes out and do a comparison. so far, to me at least, the xoom is the best. at identical specs - the 32 GB version - the xoom is only 100 more. you get dual band wifi, gorilla glass, smaller physical size, and a metal case which should help with cooling when over clocking.

on the other hand with the transformer you get sd card functionality out the box and a ips screen. now IMO 178degr viewing angle is a waste for me bc I'd have to be a retard to be able to use my tablet at that angle. I won't even watch a CRT tv at that angle.

so it's kinda a toss up right now. I actually rather have a tablet without tegra 2 so that I could have my high profile hd video playback with 6 channel ac3 support.
[Xoom General] sano614:
The xoom doesn't have gorilla glass.

Edit - or does it? Hmmm.. I thought I read the xoom didn't but the transformer did...
[Xoom General] gogol:
I would rather have Tegra 2 so that I can play all those nice games that are specifically created for it.

For video, I can always convert.
[Xoom General] Lithoss:
I thought the transformer also had gorilla glass?

Plastic is ok with me. We have an asus laptop with the same look textured plastic and its great. Assuming its the same stuff id prefer that over aluminum that scratches. Plus the transformer would be for the wife who has no interest in overclocking.

Also, the transformer is a slightly better in sunlight (though they all suck, including iCrap tabs).

The decision for me (well, the wife) will be the fact that motorola will not be getting any further money from me until my d2 bootloader is no longer encrypted.
[Xoom General] marctronixx:
the xoom does indeed have gorilla glass. confirmed by a moto employee.
[Xoom General] madsquabbles:
Yeah, the transformer has gg. I got it confused with the Acer iconia. Bet that's not the first time sipomeone's done that, lol.

I did get the xoom again. Now to wait for the transfrmer and make my decision. Btw I hate this official portfolio case. I've got thre same style case for my ipad and galaxy tab and this is the worst one I've ever used. Sad thing is that the other two we're under $20 including shiping.

Crap, this is actually my third xoom and 2 out of 3 have defects. This one has a dark patch right below the camera. The nearest bb with some in stock is 40 min away.
[Xoom General] saber74:
There's been a lot of speculation about how fast the Transformer would or wouldn't get updates. There's a good thread about updates on xda: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1041502

Though the Transformer has gotten 3 updates so far from ASUS, the Honeycomb 3.1 update isn't expected until June, putting it at least three weeks behind the Xoom for Android updates.
[Xoom General] MikeyMike01:
Three weeks is pretty damn good.

Sent from my Xoom
[Xoom General] SlCKB0Y:
Looking at all the serious hardware issues in the TF forum im so glad i got the xoom. Asus QA must have been asleep for this one. The build quality on the xoom is simply superb and is a very important factor for me.

Early updates and being completely unlocked are great bonuses... 3.1 solved almost all the issues I had with the xoom.
[Xoom General] 3devious:
Yeah, maybe when they start letting us mount extra storage without root, I'll be even happier that I spent the extra money.
[Xoom General] saber74:
Agreed--just adding the info to help future prospects decide between the two.

A month isn't a very long time to wait, especially if the Transformer is getting regular updates from ASUS to address other issues during that time. They are getting one-off customizations like their microSD card fix ahead of the game that ASUS can probably just remove when official Android support is added.

Still in question is how long ASUS will keep up with updates. During Google I/O, they announced a bunch of carriers and OEM partnerships with Google to offer updates for at least 18 months for supported hardware. Though Motorola was on that list, I don't recall seeing ASUS.

These are just more points in a long laundry list of pros/cons between these tablets.
[Xoom General] martonikaj:
I realize. That's why I'm explaining that it doesn't equate to a USD price directly.
[Xoom General] aohus:
the eee pad transformer is almost 13 mm thick. thats quite a lot. thats more so than the xoom or the ipad1/ipad2. im still eagerly awaiting on the updated galaxy tab's that are to come out in the summer.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
The Xoom is 12.7mm, so pretty much the same as the Asus.
[Xoom General] inakipaz:
Pre-orders in UK open and delivery by 6th April. Actually, first honeycomb in europe.

However it has been imposible to see pictures or videos that compare Xoom or iPad2 against Transformer. It would be nice to compare how the screens behave.

Actually people says that ipad2 screen is better than Xoom. Transformer one is supposed to use the same technology (IPS LED backlight) so still it would be nice to be able to compare.
[Xoom General] eviltuna:
I really can't stand it when people complain how much thicker a friggin device is compared to another when the difference is only a few mm, along with the weight issue when its like 100g different, I have an iPad 2, Xoom and gtablet and seriously the weight of each do not bother me as well as the thickness because its not that much if you can't friggin carry 100g for an hour then work out or something.
[Xoom General] inakipaz:
totally support that, for me the difference is based on the display. thats why im looking for side by side pictures comparing the transformer with any other. to check if it is good enough. ive seen videos where the multitouch is working ok.

the other difference in favor of the xoom is the unlockable bootloader. will be nice to see if the transformer is rootable and able to change rooms when the source is released.
[Xoom General] Cordy:
Well Best Buy threw up a coming soon listing for the EEE Pad Transformer on their website. Very similar specs to the Xoom at $200 less than the Wi-Fi Xoom but half the storage but it does have expandable storage for whenever that becomes usable. Also it comes with the same resolution screen but the EEE Pad's is an IPS with Gorilla Glass. here's the link --> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+...lack/2475916.p?id=1218329537880&skuId=2475916
[Xoom General] mywingtophone:
delete wrong post
[Xoom General] mywingtophone:
Check my tablet collection see the EP121
[Xoom General] ghdtpdna:
Now that's an iPad killer.

From my shiny iPad 2
[Xoom General] Neo3D:
I agree. Asus CEO could double sales over night if they invented a better name than "EEE" wtf is that ****? :confused:
[Xoom General] wynand32:
Yep, $399 for a 16GB wifi-only version will be a killer in the market. And does that mean that the 32GB version will be $499? The only thing that gives me pause from this is that it's listed at 2.2 lbs. I'm not one to say the iPad 2 is so much better because it's a quarter of a pound lighter, but I do think that a full .7 pound heavier becomes meaningful.

Hmmm...
[Xoom General] pub00515:
2.2 lbs - that's about 1kg

I guess that would be with the keyboard perhaps?

What I've read is that it's going to be lighter than 700g (and therefore lighter than the xoom)
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
2,2lbs is with keyboard dock.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
I'm not sure. I remember reading that the keyboard dock effectively doubled the weight. And I'd find it hard to believe that the keyboard with battery could be only .7 lbs. Finally, why would they list the weight including an optional accessory?

We'll see, of course. But at the right price, I'm not sure it would matter all that much to me.
[Xoom General] pub00515:
According to the specs on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/ASUSEee?sk=app_197846136904015&app_data=gallery) the weight is 680g. That's 1.5 lbs
[Xoom General] jvs60:
Yeah, no way that tablet without dock is 2.2 lbs
[Xoom General] arika44:
bestbuy page is gone
[Xoom General] DssTrainer:
hardly.. EEE was the name that started the whole netbook party. Sometimes it takes a silly name to grab attention.. (i.e. Google, Yahoo, Bing, Woot, Xoom)... they are all silly nonsense names that grab attention. Asus pioneered the netbook and even mom's knew what the EEE was back then.

EEE was the smartest move Asus could make
[Xoom General] DssTrainer:
It has miniSD card? No need for 32GB version.. just a $25 16gb card to double it and save yourself the $75
[Xoom General] wolverine_2k:
ok... I have preordered a Xoom about 3 weeks ago (in the UK) and considering cancelling it for the EEE pad but want to see the interface first! The video's from Jan don't show a great UI...

For £70 cheaper I can get the EEE pad with the keyboard! 16 hours is massive! Even if i only get 12 hours out of it.
[Xoom General] moondrius:
In the recent videos it looks to be the same ui as the xoom.
[Xoom General] Magnesus:
From what I saw on YT the interface is honeycomb with custom background and some icons on the bottom (probably widgets). Maybe Google didn't agree to more changes.

edit: moondrius was faster. :)
[Xoom General] LordLugard:
OMG!! What do you do for a living? I'm so jealous!!

Fuuton: Atsugai
[Xoom General] gordec:
I'm trying to figure out how does ASUS get to sell this for $400 if it even has a better IPS screen. I wonder if Motorola is using better parts that we don't know about. I can't imagine Motorola is trying to make $100 extra more margin in a competitive market where most companies sell at a thin margin.
[Xoom General] wynand32:
The only thing I can think of is that the build quality is lower (which is possible; the Xoom is built very well) and/or that Asus has access to lower prices. That's also possible. Maybe Asus even makes some of their own components, since they're very much in that business.

Finally, it could simply be that Asus is willing to accept lower gross margins. I mean, they sell netbooks for next to nothing. Something's getting squeezed.
[Xoom General] gogol:
Here, 30 minutes with EEE Pad Transformer:

http://phandroid.com/2011/03/31/asus-eee-pad-transformer-gets-30-minute-preview/

It is stock Honeycomb ... and it is no sluggish!

Note: The video is not in english.
[Xoom General] TheSonicEmerald:
It may be that as the first Honeycomb tablet the Xoom was at a more premium price. Now that it's out, and with the release of the Ipad2 and Samsung's notoriously low price point, other manufacturers are fighting for best market share. I love competition.
[Xoom General] babblin5:
Asus will be running a layer over Android 3.0. From the description of the (briefly available) Amazon.ca site:

Google Android 3.0 Honeycomb running Transformer features Asus MyWave UI layered on top of it and has WaveShare network media sharing system along with other features.

they also released the NA Price and release date...oops!

Xoomtech.net
[Xoom General] e.mote:
The Asus Xformer pricing was corroborated by NewEgg; link is also dead. $400 SKU has 1GB RAM, 16GB flash; $500 SKU has 1GB RAM, 32GB flash.

Edit: On Google. http://google.com/search?q=asus+transformer+newegg+pricing
[Xoom General] graffixnyc:
eee(without dock) 10.67" x 6.89" x 0.47" ; 1.49 lbs.

xoom 9.8" x 6.6" x 0.5" ; 1.6 lbs

so there really isnt that much of a difference

xoom is only .11 pounds heavier it's only .03" thicker but it's smaller in length(.87" smaller) and width(.29" smaller) these differences are greater than the weight and the thickness differences, Which means it's probabaly less cumbersome to to hold the xoom, it's not like you're really really going to notice the .03" thicker it is or the .11 pounds heavier it is but I bet you will notice the differece in holding it more. I mean the eee pad is almost a full inch longer. also, I honestly dont think it will be as well built as the xoom. The xoom is pretty solid.

the dock showed up on the j&r site for $149 and engadget is reporting someone found the 32gb online somewhere for $499

http://www.jr.com/asus/pe/ASU_TF101DOCK/#CATEGORIES
[Xoom General] Arun01:
How do you like the Asus Ep121..i hear battery life is a joke on it...That's a bad ass collection..by the way
[Xoom General] kbonnel:
Here was the link, shows deactivated:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230019&cm_re=eee_pad-_-34-230-019-_-Product
[Xoom General] Fisken:
i cant see the catch so i've have now pre-ordered the asus eee pad transformer + keyboard dock at uk amazon, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Transf...1_1?ie=UTF8&s=computers&qid=1301681153&sr=8-1 , for 429,99£ much cheaper than the xoom wifi only (: and amazon has a release date that says 18th of april -

as i can see on a 30 min hands on (http://phandroid.com/2011/03/31/asus-eee-pad-transformer-gets-30-minute-preview/ on swedish) the only thing asus has change is a special live wallpaper no new icon dock or something.

i am looking forward to getting this and play with android 3.0 !! :D:D:D
[Xoom General] rjoudrey:
I think I will hold to my Xoom till there is a Honeycomb 4.0, Quad core, kick ass video and about 1/4" thick and less than a pound. Maybe around January 2012.
[Xoom General] Vyse666:
Remember: The Asus doesn't have any traditional USB slot on the tablet itself. It only has an HDMI port and SD slot. Instead, I think the Asus will probably use its proprietary docking/charging port to connect to a PC.

This means it'll need a proprietary USB cable to fit the 40-pin connector. Who knows what that means for its ADB/unlocking capabilities.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
It'll be interesting to see how the Xformer's Teg2 fare with video playback. From the specs sheet alone, multimedia support is barebone, which suggests it'll be the same as the Xoom's. The Asus marketing guy kinda confirms this when he said that the HC rev on the Xformer was "very recent," which means Asus would have no time to do much with it.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=206353&page=2

"Google actually only released the final-final version of Android 3 very recently (we've been waiting on it), not to mention Flash 10.2 as well (afaik). Credit for Motorola for being first, but the Xoom for example technically launched with beta software. HTC is also launching its 7" Flyer with Android 2.x too. I won't lie though; even the shipping version is still *slightly* buggy if you try to do too much at once, but it's still completely usable and Google's first tablet OS so there's bound to be updates along the way"

In short: We're all beta testers.

The US pricing is attractive. However, the caveat for me is no built-in USB ports. You have to tote along the KB to get USB connectivity. With the KB's added cost and heft, it's no longer a good deal. YMMV, of course.

I do hope however that the $400 point will serve to drive down pricing for other HC tabs.

Edit: Vyse666 beat me to it re: no built-in USB.