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[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] METDeath:
Going to add to the list of OG Droid owners that prefer vanilla android... I've made due with ADW and Handsent SMS to get back to a comfort zone. Still 50/50 on the email application... don't like the calender at all, syncs TOO much info (Facebook birthdays, and I can't turn it off).

I do like the dialer though, though it could use some work, but not much. So when I go to an AOSP ROM I'll probably find a replacement dialer.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ardy74:
Another thumbs up for Vanilla Android. I started on the OG Droid, then had to use an Eris for a bit. I tried to give the Sense UI a chance but it was too sluggish. I had hoped the Thunderbolt's superior hardware would help me appreciate Sense, but it didn't. The Contacts list, dialer, messaging app... well... most of the Sense features feel awkward to me. However, I do prefer the Sense 2D Album to the 3D Gallery. It seems to load pic thumbnails more quickly.

I'm running Go Launcher EX and Handcent on Tesla Coil. Now if I could replace the Sense contact's app, I would be all set!

I am LOVING the Dev Support for the Thunderbolt. Amazing work!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
There's just something elegant and efficient about running stock android. Being able to view and edit the full code base on your pc, then compiling and flashing it to your device, has some weird satisfying thing to it.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigunzec:
couldnt agree more
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mchaos:
I like sense. I think its well laid out. I did load Liquid sense ROM. It's like a spiced up version of sense. I think its very good.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mmobley:
So is the SPB worth the money?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgtguthrie:
Agreed with the birthdays! I hate the clutter it adds...I need to load a de-sensed rom. I'm using lp anyway. Coming from the d1 here too...

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[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chalup:
I HATE what HTC has done with the pull down notification bar. Combined with their attempt to make the Thunderbolt more locked down, HTC has joined Motorola and AT&T on my list of no-buys :( If I pay over $500 for an HTC phone, out of principle I should be able to remove the HTC Sense crap.

Hopefully Samsung doesn't go down the same road...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mngdew:
Among all stock themes out there, Sense is the best.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chalup:
Not anymore...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tidbits:
I like sense more than the others out there.

If there was no home replacements in the market and all devices has skins. Sense I would always buy.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cjmcmillion:
this topic seems sense-less lol
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ThunderStick:
It's nice but seriously Sense is better. SPB is eye candy only and kind of hard to setup. If you google SPB Shell 3D APK you will come up with a way to preview it for your self.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mngdew:
then which one is better than Sense? Remember, I'm only referring to the stock and untouched factory direct themes. ;)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n0thing2bdone:
i'm trying to decide whether or not to root. it seems like most people don't like the sense launcher, texting, and inability to eliminate bloat. those will probably bother me too. but nobody wants to lose the sense camera.

so is this truly an either/or situation, or is there a compromise?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chalup:
I really hate what they have done with the pull down menu. My argument is that if Samsung's new bootloaders are as easy to use as their current phones (i.e. hold down two buttons) then Samsung gains my loyalty.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheScribbler:
Well I will be in a similar boat in a few days when I get my phone from Amazon. I cannot imagine that I will not root it - had a rooted windows mobile phone and a different rooted android. You can of course change the launcher without rooting, but you can't eliminate the bloatware etc... unless you are rooted.

I will give this sense a try, but is on a short reign (I have already begun the downloads for rooting).
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gokuman56:
Hello,

I was just wondering when 4g was going to be fixed for sense 2.0 Roms
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blakeboys:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 4g speed determined by the network. I don't think sense has anything to do with it. Sprint and Clearwire just need to step up their game. WHo knows when that will happen wipespread. Hopefully rumors of lightsquared come true.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gokuman56:
No, I'm talking about sense 2.0 ROMS that have no 4g, when will it be fixed. Like this rom, it has no 4g because it is from a GSM Device:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=982211
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blakeboys:
oh...I knew that :p But I read somewhere that (maybe miui thread) that they are holding off until gingerbread in a few weeks to begin working on 4g. Although that aosp im sure the same applies to sense.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k2buckley:
I haven't heard any new news on implementing 4g into Sense 2.0 roms. I keep checking every now and then, but no 4g yet. I'm sure its a difficult task, to get 4g to work on a port, that had no 4g to start with. As soon as it works, ill be all over the z roms.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NewZJ:
we will have gingersense roms soon, won't need to add it to a z/hd port
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k2buckley:
I can't wait for gingersense, and hope it is indeed soon! Can't imagine how tough that project must be..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NewZJ:
when the E3D comes out there will be a port to the evo, gingersense plus 4g. its gonna be sick
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bkrodgers:
Obviously the best option is for a Sense 2.0 ROM to be officially released for the Evo. We don't know if that will happen.

The next best option is the Evo 3D, as NewZJ mentioned. It will have 4G built in, though we don't know if it will "just work" or pose challenges. There could be some differences in chipsets or other differences between the devices that make porting more difficult, or in the worst case even impossible. But I would expect that they'll get it working.

Failing either of those, it's very challenging. Yes, CM got it, but it's based on open source code. They had to reverse engineer the 4G code, but once they did, they could just add it into CM at the source level. It'd be much more challenging to get it to work when we don't have all the source for a Sense ROM. Still, it could be possible.

One more thing..."fixed" isn't the right word. "Added" would be better. Fixed implies that the developers did something wrong in some way. They ported a ROM that simply doesn't have WiMax as a feature. It's not there, so they didn't "break" anything. Yes, compared to another Sense 1.0 ROM, it doesn't work, but it's not really the right way to look at it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dougjamal:
The Sense 2.0 roms were not made for devices with 4G capabilities. As my friend k2buckley stated, devs ported Sense 2.0 over to Sense 1.0 devices like our EVO 4G. With that in mind, 4G is not broke and thus, there is no need to "fix" anything. What they are trying to do is figure out a way to give Sense 2.0 the ability to use our device's 4G capabilities and that will take some time. Be patient, my friend. Many of the devs have other jobs, families and other commitments.

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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gokuman56:
Thanks guys....

That really helps :)
[Thunderbolt General] pmdied:
Does anyone have an approximately amount of how much bloatware is on the stock rom?
[Thunderbolt General] failsaf3:
I pulled out 150MB so far- the golf app being 131MB of that. This was just manually removing the VZW bloat apps (Golf, Blockbuster etc.). I haven't touched any of the Sense apks yet.
[Thunderbolt General] pmdied:
130mb golf game?!
[Thunderbolt General] Pithism:
how did u remove the app, i dont think i did it properly.
[Thunderbolt General] bamaredwingsfan:
I wanna flush that stupid voicemail apk so bad i can't stand it. I already have google voice, i don't need their voicemail.
[Thunderbolt General] failsaf3:
Yes the VZW_Golf.apk is 131.05MB

I used Root Explorer and "moved" the unwanted apk's (and odex where applicable) from system/app to sdcard/bloatware.
[Thunderbolt General] PJnc284:
yeah, epic fail on Verizon with that Lets Golf
[Thunderbolt General] HarlyFan:
Is Root Explorer one of the better apps to use to get rid of all those apps? I am new to this once I download root explorer what do i do next to delete the bloat files?

Thanks in advance for the help!
[Thunderbolt General] nosympathy:
use titanium from the market and uninstall them. much easier than doing it with root explorer.
[Thunderbolt General] Gr8gorilla:
I actually can't believe they put a 133 mb trial application on the Device, that is retarded!

Gameloft doesn't sell games in the Android Market, and they only support the device you bought it for.
[Thunderbolt General] Pithism:
I used Root Explorer and "moved" the unwanted apk's (and odex where applicable) from system/app to sdcard/bloatware.[/QUOTE]

did u have to make a folder on ur sdcard that is called bloatware or is their one their already?
[Thunderbolt General] pmdied:
Thankfully, I rooted my tbolt and Adrynalyne's bullsh-t free rom...
[Thunderbolt General] failsaf3:
Made a folder. Wanted to save them to the SD rather than delete so I could return them if needed.
[Thunderbolt General] Nusince:
I can believe it... they did the same thing on the X. VZW pre-installed Need for Speed that was over 100mb (if I remember correctly). The difference there was at least you could uninstall the apk without having root access. The fact that they put a 133mb apk on the TB and did not allow the user to uninstall it is what makes it asinine...
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
I didnt have a X, but when you uninstalled NFS, did it truely uninstall or just removed it from the app folder/phone but remained in the /system/app folder?
[Thunderbolt General] Nusince:
I uninstalled it the first day I had the phone, and when I finally rooted it I don't recall ever coming across the NFS apk in /system/app.
[Thunderbolt General] kendive:
My Lets Golf 2 only uses 484kb
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
That is the resources it is used while sitting there in your phones ram...if you look at the actual file it is much higher and wasted space
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
More than any phone should ever come with :cool:
[Thunderbolt General] kendive:
Oh Ok...

I think I will remove the file also then. I don't ever play that game.
[Droid X General] EtherBoo:
Am I the only one who is holding off on GB?

I personally hate flashing. I try to do it as little as possible. I like having a smooth stable ROM, and as long as it's stable, I'm pretty happy.

Right now, I'm tempted to flash mainly because I'm having issues with my GPS getting a lock, but I know as soon as Liberty releases a GB ROM, I'll want to reflash.

It's just a pain to me to wipe, install the rom, redownload apps (I have horrid reception in my apt and WiFi has always seemed buggy), reset ringtones, notifications, app settings. It's just a pain in the behind, so I try to do it as little as possible.

I see all the Gingerbread hype, I'd just rather wait for Liberty or Apex GB.
[Droid X General] cstrife999:
I'm polar opposite. I like new things and challenges.
[Droid X General] hop_head:
I agree. My DX just came today. Couldn't beat the price. As soon as i get off work I'm rooting that sucker! Putting GB on asap. Love tinkering.

Sent from my GSBv2.4 Droid Eris
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
I also have been waiting but this is because I have bricked my phone beyond repair once and gotten to the point where all I could do is sbf twice. And if you haven't done it, SBF'ing is a pain in the ass. So I like to make sure that things are going to work before I try it
[Droid X General] Onlyunless:
You could always use titanium backup for your app settings, also you won't have to redownload your apps each time. I jumped right to gingerbread as soon as I could, and I'm loving it. I've never had a problem with flashing roms. Really not that big of a deal to me.

If you want to hold out, that's on you, but believe me, it's well worth the upgrade. MotoBlur on gingerbread is really quite bearable, and it's growing on me.
[Droid X General] jazaddict:
See now, I didn't know that Titanium backed up apps...I'll have to read up on it. I too haven't flashed because I hate redoing my setup. I like the idea of a couple of GB features though (like the sliding text editor ) so its been tempting.
[Droid X General] Onlyunless:
Yeah, Titanium backs up apps, but more importantly (or just as importantly, I suppose), it backs up application data too, so then you have settings maintained across roms. It saves everything to your SD card so you'll always have it. Also, if you like to save text messages, search SMS Backup & Restore in the market. It's free and very useful.

In my opinion, using Titanium free becomes tedious, and it's well worth the money for the pro version.
[Droid X General] MazinDLX:
I've been using the new Gingerbread rom, extremly stable and fast. I can't imagine the speed with out the bloat ware.
[Droid X General] owenbeals:
No need to hold back we got rootz baby!
[Droid X General] igotgame:
I am waiting. No real hurry to flash anything. I've tried Liberty, Apex, etc...I like the stock rom with root and Launcher Pro ..I obtain the best battery life using it and controlling the cpu/battery/voltage the way I want.

When GB OTA comes out I will update it. Not sure how my phone can get any faster...everything opens and moves instantly now..especially with Launcher Pro.
[Droid X General] rocko73:
Bone stock with 2.2 I was hitting 1450 with Quadrant benchmark, 2.3 stock I am hitting 1750. Nice!

Messaging widget is cool. Some other nice stuff also.
[Droid X General] faber78:
IM waiting for more work to be done to it.
[Droid X General] EtherBoo:
The only thing I backup is Angry Birds Scores... 3 stars on all levels and all golden eggs :)!

I don't really need to save settings otherwise, other than ringtones. I just hate reconfiguring it.

I guess I just don't have a whole lot of stuff to tinker with things like I used to. I might wait for the OTA as well just to make sure I don't have any issues like others did when they used the leaked SBF.
[Droid X General] rocko73:
What work?
[Droid X General] faber78:
What, you don't think any developers are gonna play with it?
[Droid X General] matjmonk:
After reading of all the "issues" with GB (rooted and non) on various sites, I'm thinking I'll just wait for DS 4.3 or even DS GB! I'm currently using Rubix Focused but that's mainly because the email app in Rubix works with my Hotmail account and the dialer actually knows how to enter my VM password after it connects. I really like DS and miss it but I've grown spoiled not having to read my Hotmail messages twice. I'm toying with the idea of replacing the email.apk in DS with the one in Rubix but being fairly new with the Android stuff, I don't know what that entails and how bad I could mess things up (though I guess I could SBF and reinstall (and yes, I do have several backups)). All the stuff I'm reading makes me think that GB is not quite ready for prime time, but again that's my exceedingly humble opinion. :D
[Droid X General] lthelwpn:
I have seen on numerous forums all the " how do I fix" questions. I will wait. I will flash when the dust settles. Liberty 1.5 is really smooth right now. Just my 2cents.

Tappin from the Tee Box
[Droid X General] whatsinaname:
I am just glad that GB is out. I will wait for the over the air, and then for it to get rooted.

Untill then, rubix focused 2.0.1 kicks butt. I don't mind flashing, but I remember when froyo dropped and everyone was sbf'n and having problems etc.

patience, when there is a Rubix like Gingerbread rom, my X will be complete :)
[Droid X General] tech_head:
Titatnium won't restore a bunch of stuff on GB.

Don't rely on it to do your restore. Almost every application had to be re-downloaded from the Marketplace.

Lost all my game settings.. 8-(

Also if you like NFS, it doesn't work.

Also OliveTree Bible reader doesn't either.

Home switcher is broken, if you like to run multiple Launchers.
[Droid X General] jeftep:
Titanium won't restore some system data because the version increase. Otherwise, it restored all of the applications that I had backed up.

If you like to run multiple launchers, use Home Smack. Seems to still function well in GB.

This GB leak isn't quite ready for prime-time, but is very good. Noticeable performance increase, and I was already having a good time with Fission rom. I can't wait to see how fast it is when developers kill the blur bloat.
[Droid X General] shukero:
Ok, so here's a question for everyone, as I TOO am holding off on GB just because of the fact that I like bootstrapper MUCH MUCH better than SBF.

Anyway, does anyone think that there will be bootstrapped ROMS available for GB? Or is the only option to get a Rooted / deodexed GB to go the SBF route? cause if so, I'd rather wait till there is a simpler way to root than SBF
[Droid X General] faber78:
i did it....
[Droid X General] dbisch:
Why wouldn't there zipped ROMs available? I don't see anything preventing it.

Also, if I'm not mistaken... can't you just use maderstock, then install the zipped rooted GB that's floating around?
[Droid X General] meshdub:
DX Bootstrapper works fine in GB. You just need to disable debugging on your phone.
[Droid X General] shukero:
So you have actually practiced this? IE backup-ed up froyo / GB and then reloaded it?
[Droid X General] meshdub:
Oh my fault, I misunderstood you. Thought you were referring to the issue where you wouldn't be able to get into Bootstrap at all and would have to SBF.

But no, to answer your question, I haven't tried it. I have froyo backed up and I'm on GB, but didn't have a reason to restore so far...
[Droid X General] jazaddict:
I'm unable to sbf,so I'm holding out for a tried and true flashable method both in AND out (in case things don't work out). Plus...I like the ADW launcher and (no laughing ) the fish tank live wallpaper. So Im hesitant to potentially hose up my setup.
[Droid X General] 12yan:
the stock froyo 2.2.340 i believe already has the sliding text editor.. just tap in front of a word and behind the word really quickly in succession and you got it!!
[Droid X General] jazaddict:
I only have the red bullseye ...which is fine, but that slider thing looks better.
[Droid X General] argentmacleod:
I am used to Flashing at least 3 times a week. With some effort and a SBF I have GB with some blur, thank God for TB! Loved Liberty and with Gummy I was benchmarking 1749 Now with GB I have hit 1852 with still some MotoBlur. Man it's FAST! It was definitely worth the effort.
[Droid X General] EtherBoo:
All the positive feedback is making me excited for when Liberty GB comes out.

I've decided to wait for an OTA though. I'll just SBF back and OTA it up.
[Droid X General] marculous:
I too am holding off, I like my boot animation and mobile shell launcher. Not to mention watching xvid on the tv with the hdmi cable. When gb can give me that, root and apex I will reconsider.
[Droid X General] schmidty86:
Here's +1 for waiting.
[Droid X General] tcollum:
I held off when GB was initially released, but once it was rooted, I went for it. I'm always a bit nervous, but I have SBF'd once before, so I am confident that I could fix any issues that I may run into. I love this update, just go for it!
[Droid X General] marculous:
So since its rooted, would I be able to put my own boot animation on? Or run a mobile shell launcher? Does the pre rooted gb leak have this video player? I first saw it in apex 1.4.1 - and its a deal breaker if gb doesn't have it. It plays my avi files thru hdmi to my tv. Have to have it.
[Droid X General] torikorocks:
Yeah I'm waiting too. Hopefully the official ota will be out soon.

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[Droid X General] mrstealthusmc:
i am holding off on GB as well. i actually installed it when the rooted.deodexed version came out, but i was having terrible battery issues. i actually watched my battery go down by 20% in the span of 30 minutes, and i wasnt even using my phone. also, i was getting a lot of lag and stuttering and slowdown for no apparent reason. so i sbf'ed back to froyo and restored liberty again.
[Droid X General] marculous:
Yeah screw that, I'm going to wait until it's all ready for me to be able to do all the things I can do now. Not really an update for me if it does less. ;)
[Droid X General] Sierra8561:
I thought my x couldn't run much better. Then after a day of debating I decided to flash gb. Wow it is awesome and runs better and smoother than ever

Rooted Droid X loving Gingerbread...

Twitter: Sierra8561
[Droid X General] Sierra8561:
Some people who are having these problems are restoring system data with their apps.

Rooted Droid X loving Gingerbread...

Twitter: Sierra8561
[Droid X General] faber78:
i ran it and am thinking about switching back to fission 261

- the whole wifi tethering thing makes me nervous....it doesnt work the same as it used to

- i dont like all the bloat; weather it effects performance or not....ive tried uninstallind different things that shouldnt effect anything but end up with fc on the dailer/contacts

- id rather switch to it when one of the guys (fission/liberty) get done messing with it.
[Droid X General] dkranes:
Yep, same for me. I'm happy with the leaked rooted gb. Much faster than Froyo for me. Titanium restored my apps and data with no problem...I didn't try to restore any system data other than bluetooth connections.

So far my X can do everything on gb that it did on Froyo but then again I'm not a big tinkerer. As long as my apps and email works I'm pretty happy.
[Droid X General] faber78:
For a good while, I think Im ditching gb.

Reasons:

- I dont like the wifi hot spot issues (I dont trust moto or verizon, yes I realize this came from only moto....that doesnt mean they dont ever work together, obviously).

- I dont like all the bloat ware; it seems like I cant nail down what I can remove. I can remove some apps and be fine, others and be fine; but any certain combination of certain ones and I get fc on the dialer.

- I want to give the developers we trust (fission/liberty) a good amount of time to get through it.

- I was looking through some of the manifest stuff on the settings (heard someone say they thought that was were the hidden wifi junk is) and didnt really feel comfortable with some of the stuff I was seeing. (Like I have a clue though).

- Though it does seem smoother, I dont see the improvements being worth the things that make me uncomfortable.

- I do not buy the quadrant scores....which means either Im wrong, or someone wrote a script (or whatever) to help bring the scores up.

- Lastly, I much much prefer the fission 261 set up and having a significant gain in my knowledge about what is running and what isnt.

On that note; I have every intention of donating again/and more to the guys I trust to do further work on roms for this version, as there are other devices out now they can work on and it is probably somewhat like starting over.

Just my thoughts.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] agentdr8:
Here's a few more modules for the stock kernel if anyone's interested.

CIFS (+slow-work.ko) should work with CIFS Manager (in the market), but I have yet to test it (can't here at work).

And I know Sogarth was looking to try out a FUSE solution for the webtop, so I went ahead and added that module.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Sogarth:
Haha. Neat. :)

btw, has anybody verified if the kernel on the 4.1.57 update is different/incompatible? It claims to be kernel 2.6.32.9-00005-gde8e6dc.