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[XPERIA X10 General] Asdoos:
Think I have to buy new Phone too...

Acually I'm on X8 but this is not much supportet by SE...

Hope I will get much Money on my 16th Birthday ;)

Think I will get the Neo ^^ Arc is to expensive, and for playing I have no time...

But its a nice tactic of SE to adverstise with open bootloader to "force" us to buy an new device if we want to make perfekt custom ROMs and Kernels.

So @geohot:

its a clever step of SE to open the Bootloader of there new devices but if we hasn't done so much "spaming" to SE those step will never be. So keep on cracking X10/mini/8 please and let SE not win.

Best Regards

Asdoos ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] robbyf66:
I don't, I have a low priced plan and i upgrade yearly, they lose not me :)
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
Yes. 800/850/1900/2100
[XPERIA X10 General] Skellyyy:
What's up? HTC are now trying to lock there's down while other companies are opening the bootloader? Don't know what to think tbh.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Hey until the gb update I was definitely hating, with just cause I think.... Look what "hating" got us though :P
[XPERIA X10 General] 28spawn:
I was just thinking about these plans and discounts, how much will Arc cost here in Brazil, because now we have x10 what its at price of 850USD at sony, buying it in a expensive plan of 235USD/month the phone still costing 352USD!!!

I get crazy with that! Everything is expensive here ¬¬

In USA you get a 50USD/month and the phone is free!

The same thing with cars, a Honda Civic SI (190 whp) Here cost the amount of 59k dollars, and in usa or mexico it costs 23~24k dollars.

Just a question for the people, is there in your country that expensive???

How much your x10 cost to you??

Mine 588USD buying form someone that bring it from USA to here....

Tks
[XPERIA X10 General] Asdoos:
My problem: I need my phone everyday (for emails or sth.) and when tehers something new and my device isn't supportet would be realy sad.... so more or less I have to upgrate. And in germany it takes some time till the devices are ready to buy.
[XPERIA X10 General] kozxmartt:
Well my x10 cost about SR. 1899... thats about $506.4 USD.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Hahaha. You beat me to the punch, but hey this is more like a one - two combination. Lol. Joking.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flo95:
I hope the X10 gets unlocked with the 2.3.3 update.

That are awesome news. SE is back at top again :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
We have no reason to fight... We have actual freedom, and don't resort to stealing resources from other countries!
[XPERIA X10 General] zer0nine:
Wow!!! This is great news. Totally considering the Arc for my next phone!
[XPERIA X10 General] oua354146:
from sony ericsson developer blog

"you can’t unlock the boot loader if you have a SIM lock protected phone"

does that mean something or nothing?

sorry if spamming...
[XPERIA X10 General] Yperion:
There is no need to bug them to unlock x10's bootloader, se is the only company who their phones can flash custom roms w/o root. And ofc they give gb to x10.

Lets support them a litle...
[XPERIA X10 General] Mr. Clown:
Back on topic, thread cleanup.

Please don't make me ban no one.
[XPERIA X10 General] MarylandCookie:
I only see 2 reasons behind their change:

1) Fear of Geohot breaking the PLAY and ultimately leading to loss in game revenue, easy sim unlock and shareholder losses <- you get the idea OR

2) They dont like the idea of XDA users donating to XDA dev for opening the BL!

Im going for No1... theres no other feasible reason?!

As soon as he states he'll be working on it, BAM before the release we get this!

Hmmm,,, (chin scratch!)

I still do hope Geohot opens it (for the sake of the x10) as id rather keep my warranty hush hush...

Your thoughts??
[XPERIA X10 General] Ambroos:
I think they're just trying to please customers. Sure, most people just don't care about bootloaders or rooting or whatever, but if you Google a device and read reviews, they'll almost always be saying something negative about locked bootloaders or something similar. People might not know what it means, but they usually realize it's something negative.

They noticed they went a bit too far with the X10, it was their first Android device, and now they're just doing what they should, and listening to the criticism the X10 got.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
Here's a further explanation of why the X10 won't get the unlocked bootloader, by an SE rep from the original article's comments:

Seems dumb to me. Most of us are already voiding our warranties by rooting and installing customer ROMs. Why not give us the option of unlocking the bootloader "at our own risk"?
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
WHAT?!?!? WHAT?!?!

Panageia mou <hangs my head in shame> You have got to be trolling...

1) Geohot adapted fail0verflow's work to crack the ps3 for pirating. Geohot's bright but if it wasn't for fail0verflow's work, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did in any appreciable amount of time.

what does sim unlock have anything to do with bootloader? what does it even have to do with shareholders? There are plenty of sim free x10s that were once locked. how would unlocking the bootloader lead to SE losing money? It's already easy enough to pirate games with a locked bootloader.

2) They don't care who you donate your money too. You wanna send it to Santa Clause? Go ahead.

Let's not think what could be the most reasonable explanation... you know... like:

SE is finally in the black because of Android and they've had a lot of negative press because of their poor update history and locked bootloader. This would be especially troubling considering that they want to continue profitting and have 4 (or more?) Android handsets coming out very soon.

In order to continue profiting, they listen to their customers, offer an option to purchase an open bootloader handset and upgrade their old flagship to 2.3.

... Someone has got to open up the ultimate troll thread now... something like...

GEOHOT IS GUNNA BRAKE OPEN THE X10, VIDEO HERE! AND SONY JAPAN SCARED OF TSUNAMI SO THEY GIVE US 2.3 AND UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER BECAUSE OF XDA DONATIONS

yeesh

<meltdown over> ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Thx saltorio!

Can someone explain this bold lines further to me? Why is this a reason not to unlock the bootloader? DRM keys will be wiped by GB update anyway. Sensitive keys? What's meant by this? Full wipe of phonebook, sms etc.? Nobody who wants to try custom ROMs and therefore unlocks the bootloader cares about wiping his user data.

Am I totally wrong or are these explanations bull****?
[XPERIA X10 General] Resset:
I think SE is afraid about users who bricked phone flashing. I guess they thought that people would spam them. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] MarylandCookie:
@totalundone Nevermind.!!

Im not going to get into a discussion that will ultimately lead to off topic comments and such.

You need to go learn and understand why handset exlusivity is such a big deal and locking it down to networks. Sure you can unlock the sim via 3rd party but for free? You do the maths. I aint going into detail about losses etc. You have obviously been in the community longer and know much more.

My opinion is that they did this because they didnt want anyone (geohot as an example, etc) to open the BL, simple. Everyones entitled to their own opinions and this is mine, sony suddenly turned over a leaf because they listened to their customers?

What happened to our call volume fix?

Nuff Said.
[XPERIA X10 General] Ambroos:
The bootloader is basically what the device boots on, compare it to the BIOS in a computer. The bootloader can be used to flash a new ROM, and the bootloader loads the kernel and the rest of the ROM. It's the lowest level software on your device.

If something goes wrong with the flashing of the ROM, it's not really a problem, you can just try again through the bootloader. Now if something goes wrong with flashing the bootloader (for example a corrupt download, or unplugging the device/battery too soon), there is no 'lower' software system to fall back on. The bootloader has to be flashed -through- the bootloader, but obviously that can't work if the bootloader doesn't work anymore...
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
So theoretically, one could modify their IMEI to one authorized to unlock the bootloader, retrieve the corresponding key and use it? (yes, I know it is illegal, that's why I said theoretically)
[XPERIA X10 General] Ambroos:
It's not about authorization, it's just a different bootloader that is on the device when you get it. If people find a way to extract the bootloader from an unlockable device, and then manage to replace the locked bootloader with it, then it'll work. Changing IMEI won't help.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Sorry, seems I didn't make clear what I meant. I'm aware of what the bootloader does and that opening it would make the unbrickable X10 brickable ;). I just don't understand how they can argue with things like

- DRM keys will be lost --> this was announced to happen with the GB update anyway

- user data will be deleted --> anyone who wants to unlock bootloader is aware of that and knows what he has to backup. We're wiping our data everytime we're using xrecovery to flash a ROM, right ;)

- Sensitive keys will be lost --> don't know what this means, can you explain please?

And another thing: Do I understand that right, they'll enable the bootloader unlock on upcoming devices without the possibility to brick it - say, implement a 'lower' software layer?
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
holy sh!tsauce! see what happens when i decide to have 12 hours off XDA!

SE - i have been very critical of you in the past (and am still a little wary) but full credit to listening to your customers. If you want to be the #1 Android phone manufacturer, you have made the right decision in allowing the nature of the device to be open.

Kudos to you!
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
1st-SE is completely right on locking BL for X10 and not providing update,many many noobs will end up bricking their phones!!!

2nd-however they CAN provide an updated bootloader ONLY on their developer site and not as an update for EVERYONE with non branded phones as in case with GB update
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
house keys ;)

or may be the keys like many people store confidential info like credit card numbers etc
[XPERIA X10 General] arj154:
this is quite good :) hopefully they'll do this for most future phones. Personally i want a dual core phone as my next phone will need to last 2 years and i dont think the new phones will. I can see where they're coming from about the x10, if they provide a way to modify the bootloader through an update, some novices could get a bricked phone and they just cant afford to do that. Hopefully they'll keep android open and not try and block root as well
[XPERIA X10 General] Mister J:
I am really impressed with SE. Before, when first got my phone in Jan 2011, when I realized that there would be no updates, then I swore that I will never buy anything SE. But now that Arc is looking sexier!
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Sorry MarylandCookie... I didn't mean to be harsh like that, it wasn't directed to you, just kinda in general... like i said, i had a meltdown from hearing the whole geohot et al stuff, haha. Don't take it personally ... it was building up in me for a while, haha :)

ps. sony != sony-ericsson ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] jamieridler:
What a change for SE so far this last few weeks, massive improvement on how things were at the end of last year / start of this.
[XPERIA X10 General] Yperion:
Maybe there is an easier way by changing the build.prop .

But im not sure if that works with sim-locked phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] letterman12:
thank god, this is a huge step foward for sony and a huge help for x10 devs
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
Other requirements include (but are not limited to):

Having 1 blue eye and 1 brown eye;

Tapping your heels and wishing you were home;

Placing your order by the time you were done reading this sentence.

Score!!!! XD well though I have 1 hazel eye and the other dark brown XD

coming back to subject, even though this is a great notice, let's face it, SIM unlocked phones are way too hard to get unless services like htccode provide are used

if that is the case then we have a chance to get every single phone unlocked w/o having to pay that much (paying 50 dlls instead of paying 700~ dlls for a phone) but still with this those services can raise their prices
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
They don't mean sim unlocked phones, that still wouldn't work. They mean phones purchased that aren't from a provider, bought outright from the company which can be used with any provider.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
So, someone answer me this. If I say bought the Xperia Arc outright from Rogers and they sim locked the phone, I wouldn't have access to the bootloader. That I understand. But, if they sim locked the phone, couldn't I just purchase a unlock code to unlock the phone and have access to the bootloader?

Or is simlock a totally different thing?
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Yes it's a different story, but you can always flash generic/debrand to get bootloader access.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Ok, so this sim lock crap wont matter anyways since I wont be staying on Rogers firmware when I get the Arc? Ill be flashing world generic again...or whatever it is when available.
[XPERIA X10 General] HYPER-X10:
I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that the bootloader is actually different on the simlocked phones, at the discretion of the provider.

In other words, the bootloader will either be open or not and no flashing of roms, editing build.prop, etc will change it.

Karl-Johan from SE Developers said this:

"Depending on the original configuration of your phone, it will be either be possible or not possible to unlock the boot loader."
[XPERIA X10 General] Ambroos:
Indeed. This basically means that the USA is pretty much screwed. Here in (mainland) Europe, however, we're all in luck! Everything here is unbranded and simlockfree!
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
and in asia as well (except of Japan)
[XPERIA X10 General] tatouss:
A really good news!
[XPERIA X10 General] G-FACE:
Finaly SE realised that if they give something to the comunity they will raise their sells.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
OK, wait. I'm still confused as to why the new SE phones can get the open bootloader but the X10 can't? Did SE say the new phones will ship with opened bootloaders, because if they don't then what's the difference between them and the X10 - the customer would still need to flash the bootloader, opening them to the possibility of bricking the phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] hokaut:
If they open X10's bootloader, who is going to buy Arc (Neo etc.)? It's just a marketing trick. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Something holcken said gave me the following idea: perhaps they make a 'lower' software level on which the bootloader is ... ehm ... loaded ;) Something the device can fall back to if bootloader fails, so it will always be possible to go into flash mode, no matter whats happening with bootloader and ROM.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
They can't open bootloader on X10 because of patent rights on Multitouch owned by Apple. If the bootloader is opened xda devs could implement multitouch, which is illegal, and SE would be liable.

The multitouch on the new phones is different than Apple's patented Multitouch, I guess.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
where did you get this info...
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
How many times do you people have to ask about the reason why X10's bootloader is not unlocked?

Seriously I doubt that you read the article, please do before you ask any questions since the article explains why
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
nah, im kinda thinking that hokaut hit the nail on the head. its pure marketing at its best - SE are the masters at this!
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
That's very unlikely. MT isn't really limited by bootloader, it's hardware limited. I'm not referring to something SE said, but what our devs experienced. The display doesn't recognize more than two fingers at once and the cross-over bug shows that even DT isn't completely supported by our display hardware.
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
From one of the websites that had an article on the bootloader being opened. There are so many that you'll have to find it yourself. That wasn't listed as the only reason. The other reasons were to protect developers apps and games, which they also have legal obligation to do.

Whoever said it is hardware limited, then why have people been listing multitouch as something xda devs can do that SE failed to give us, like lifting 32 fps and 16mil colors?

Also, the article said that some of the things that could be done with the bootloader opened could lead to hardware damage from overheating.

Lastly, they said they are not changing the security or bootloader in any way for the same reason they can't open it. They said every device they make has the same bootloader throughout its entire life, because changing it can also create security risks and other problems.

I am sure there is as much marketing in this, but they seemed like valid points to me. We really only need root, at least for me, which they would be stupid to try and block considering everything they have recently done on our behalf.
[XPERIA X10 General] -- X10B --:
Its all about marketing strategies..

Imho if the x10 has given a unlock bootloader it can run as fast as the arc or 80% like the arc..

Average people will buy 2nd hand x10 if this happens.

Why buy the arc if x10 can do almost the same....

I Agree with the overheating and overclocking with x10 unlock bootloader.

S.e. is playing safe. Unlocking x10 could brick the phone..

Lets wait maybe someday s.e. will let us unlock our phone when they hit the mark revenue for arc.
[XPERIA X10 General] imugur:
So the history was like this:

No MT for X10 than MT was released

No further upgrades after 2.1 and now they just announced 2.3 will be available for x10

No open bootlader for x10 now, but myabe in the near future :)

be optimistic guys!

Mugur

http://mugur-ionescu.ro/tag/xperia
[XPERIA X10 General] revenge50:
A MT and FW Update 4 the X8 would be nice
[XPERIA X10 General] mohsentz:
Change the op to this: SE will open the bootloader for new xperia ranges and the devs here opened(bypassed) bootloader for xperia x10.lol
[XPERIA X10 General] foreveralone:
Let's hope for a real multitouch (not DT) on X10!
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
it isn't possible... the digitizer won't support it.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
Synaptics Cleartouch 2000 digitizer

Same as on the n1, and the htc desire...

They ALL have the same issue
[XPERIA X10 General] foreveralone:
It ovbiously isn't Clearpad 2000 but the Cypress one. But still, sorry for offtopic
[XPERIA X10 General] rune11:
Sony Ericsson today was upgraded EMMA and now can detect tampered and rooted phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] Ambroos:
So using a root or a custom ROM will mean no RMA?
[XPERIA X10 General] MKD73:
Does this now mean any update from SEUS will fail if phone is rooted etc
[XPERIA X10 General] compumasta:
Why isn't it the cleartouch?

Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
I have a faulty samsung i think.

When starting the phone up it shows the startup screen but does not show anymore than that :S

What can I do.??!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theduckking:
If you haven't already done anything bring it in. This should really be covered by your warranty
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
well it just tried going into recovery mode and wipe data/factory reset to try and fix it without succeed. then i copied files from my other galaxy s over to it via usb and pc. then i was able to go into Clockwork Mod Recovery and delete data. but now it will not start up more than the start screen
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Dark3n:
Well i think you semi-bricked your sgs.

Confirm that your 3 button download mode works, read up on this in the stickies.

After you have done that, read the stickies on how to flash a stock rom through odin.

That would be my suggestion.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
The three button download works. but im not sure what to do with it from there
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theduckking:
Oh you have not just bought it? I'm an idiot:D

in that case:

Have you flashed a gingerbread rom and a Froyo custom kernel?^^

In any way the problem is the ROM - kernel combination, just flash a full rom over it and you should be fine
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
and that has to be through ODIN?

I cant get usb connection with it because it only reaches start screen
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lycan_codex:
start the galaxy in down load mode using the three button combo...

take an stock rom with three files ( PDA, PHONE & CSC ), tick re-partition and auto-reboot, F. Reset time. Use a suitable .PIT file and flash it.

there are so many tutorials and videos in XDA and youtube.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
How can I be sure that they are the right files for the phone when I can not go into it and check version on the phone
[Galaxy S I9000 General] azzledazzle:
as long as you have the international I9000 then any stock firmware should do the job.

its only if you have the bell version or the captivate version you need to make sure you have the right firmware.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
I got it done now. Its great.

Only thing is that its not in my language now (Danish). Ive tried to go to settings but danish is not an option there. How do I install the danish language
[Galaxy S I9000 General] banttu:
You need to flash a ROM which includes a multi CSC file.

Or you can cook your own http://romkitchen.org and select your needs then flash through CWM.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Dark3n:
Which ROM did you flash?

FYI: I'm using v9.9.5 from http://romkitchen.org/sgs it has 'Dansk' language.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
I used the files in here:

http://factoidz.com/how-to-use-odin-to-flash-your-samsung-galaxy-s/

is the one you are referring too an original rom?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
I downloaded ZSJPJ_Wipe-v10-16-57-31-29-03-0RW7xJuAWf from there but its a zip file. what do i do with that now?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] azzledazzle:
you need to boot into recovery and flash it through that.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kennethlee:
I have booted into recovery but when saying install zip from sd it does not find the zip file. also there is some permission issues
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JJEgan:
Recovery search for zip file option .

jje
[Xperia Arc General] Tejstar:
Title says it all. Already posted in the X10 forum, thought it was more relevant here! See article for more information.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/03/29...-xperia-range/
[Xperia Arc General] Shutterspark:
Nice. SE really is on a roll.

(official source here)
[Xperia Arc General] hargibi:
This is VERY good news :)
[Xperia Arc General] DuoM:
Very good news indeed.

This phone just became a lot more interesting to me.
[Xperia Arc General] Brumble:
Wow id say this is going to attract some people to SE, for easy development.

Nice work sony!

Sent from my Defy
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PeruSD:
I just install ffc on my vibrant. I was very excited that the installation went smooth until....First I got "camera failed" so I reinstalled the camera. Then the rear camera work ok, but the front camera just show a green image.

I'm using Bionix v1.3.1 and I also installed ffc_mod.zip prior of getting the camera from Hong Kong. I haven't found anyone with the same problem. I been reading different threats, but...

I also reinstall ffc_mod.zip

Another thing I try was to replace sgs-t959 for gt-i9000 using sgstools.

I also install mirror for Samsung S, and the picture is green, too.

Any ideas?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ipeench:
Sounds like it could be a bad camera.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PeruSD:
you think???