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[G Tablet General] Zenoran:
Lol @ "wooters" and your condescending connotations.

Segregation of an online development community based on where you bought your product? That sounds like something an apple fanboy would do.

Seriously get over the woot crap and leave people alone. If you have problems with "noobish" posts then don't read them.
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
Don't use gmail, man. Use maildroid. It's way better and syncs with all your accounts at once.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
It has nothing to do with where they got the device, it's just the sheer number of new users that are potentially flooding into XDA. I've been on the Woot! forum since the day of the sale, once I started reading "go to XDA!" every few posts. 10,000 devices in one day is a lot of GTAB's. And Wooters know all about XDA.

This has nothing to do with segregation of any group of users. It's just user numbers, pure and simple. And if you've read the Woot! posts like I have, then you'd know some of the potential issues already.
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
For example, there was a woot post asking why we would want to take pictures with a tablet camera. Someone had to point out that the camera is there for video conferencing. Multiply such a question by 10,000.

So, to reitterate. The issue isn't about where we bought our device. I bought one from woot. The issue is the woot deal has brought a large number of people who would otherwise have not even considered playing with android into the modding community.

No condescending attitude here. Just a concern that people got the wrong idea when they jumped into the woot deal. Again, this ain't no ipad. This requires at least a rudimentary level of patience and know-how.
[G Tablet General] wasserkapf:
I have Gmail set up as an IMAP server. I also have it importing the mail from my Yahoo account. This way I can see all of my accounts just by using Gmail. And I really don't have to use a special app to do it.
[G Tablet General] fridge011:
Maybe someone should start a new user forum where new users can post there questions and experienced members can answer them. when the problem gets sorted, then the redundant posts in that thread can be removed so just the problem and the solution and possible solutions remain. it can be stickied to the top or put into an "if u have problems" forum. Or The thread can be rewritten with the problem and the answer and stickied. Also the general forum and especially the development forum can be set to not allow people who have less than 20 or 30 or 50 or whatever posts to post in them. This will allow us noobs to get our questions answered and get some xp. Then by the time were posting in the regular forums we will have experience and something better to contribute than "help I just bricked my gtab". It will clean the main forums up a lot also. Just a thought.
[G Tablet General] Renegade5399:
Wait so you're an engineer and didn't try to redesign the device?! Holy cow, I think I've just seen a miracle! :p

I work at a power plant and have a building full of stereotypical engineers, so I just had to.

I'm with you on this one. After being in IT for over 12 years, I am confident I can mod this device with no issues.

I totally agree with both of you. I run a PC enthusiast forum myself with a couple other guys and if we had a flood of people join asking the same question over and over, I would be frustrated. Thread merge and move is a wonderful thing!

Overall though, the amount of patience being shown to the wooters has been fantastic. Despite the fact that some of them just jumped in without reading the FAQ, ROM descriptions, warnings, etc. the mods have shown great restraint and the devs excellent support. Thanks guys.
[G Tablet General] BoulderGeek:
FWIW, my GTablet came yesterday (in the Woot flood) and kept stalling at the initial time configuration page. To have even a normally functioning tablet, I needed to mod it out of the box.

My coworkers, several of whom I ridiculed for spending $700 on an iPad, had a field day with that. "What do you get with an iPad? It works out of the box!"

After taking the crash course in ClockworkMod and VEGAn installations, I got it to run. I did find a lack of step by step info in the procedures documents on where to get a working nvflash. With VEGAn 5.1 and the 5.1.1 add-on pack, the system works well. Without those resources, i would have been returning the unit and may have always assumed that the stock delivery OS was garbage.

FWIW, I had to attach the GTablet via USB passthrough to an Ubuntu virtual machine. I couldn't get the Windows instructions to work on my native Windows 7 x64, but Linux worked fine to so the upgrade.

The weight, size, and viewing angle issues of the GTablet make my Archos 70 seem that much nicer, however. Graphics are speedier on the ViewSonic, and I got a 2300 Quadrant score compared to 1284 on my Archos. Not sure which is the keeper, however.
[G Tablet General] cyberpyr8:
Not to go off topic but I am looking at buying a G Tablet and wanted some opinions from owners. I am a big Android fan and I have had a MT3G which I rooted and used Cyanogen on and now own the Vibrant which I rooted day one and have been constantly updating with ROMs. Being familiar with ClockWork and ADB I feel like putting a custom ROM on this won't be a problem.

That all being said, do you think that it is worth the money to purchase versus a gen 1 iPad for almost the same price? My boss flipped when I told him I was looking at getting an Android tablet instead of the iPad. I am not a big Apple fan (mostly due to iTunes) but I have to admit that the iPad is smooth and works. But the hacker/modder in me says I will like the Android tablets better. I am not trying to incite a war and I am not trying to have you talk me into or out of anything! I just want to know from owners if they would buy it again or look at the iPad Gen 1 and why.

I want to use this device to replace my laptop for home use. I use my laptop at night to surf the web, check Tweetdeck, Facebook and Twitter. I would like to use it for connecting to the VPN at work and RDP into servers. I do that now with my Vibrant using VPN and RDP Lite. I rarely play games so that isn't a big deal. I have all of my docs stored in Google Docs and I can edit them now using an app that syncs with my phone. I guess I just don't see the advantage of the iPad over this device. Am I missing something?

Some questions I have not found the answers to are, is this thing already rooted out of the box? Is there a way to load the Google Market without putting one of the custom ROMs on it? What's the real battery life on it? Is the processor and screen really decent?

Sorry for the long post but I have been looking at this stuff for weeks and I am no closer to deciding than I was a few weeks ago. I don't have a lot of money so I can't afford to make a $300 mistake.
[G Tablet General] BoulderGeek:
Not to crap on the Android parade, because I do appreciate the openness and innovation being undertaken by contributors here, my initial impression is that if price were identical, the iPad is a more polished device and weighs less than the gTablet.

If you are talking iPad 2 at twice the price, I would choose gTablet with the most current aftermarket modifications.
[G Tablet General] cyberpyr8:
No I am looking at a iPad 1 Refurbished at $349 versus a G Tab new at $335.
[G Tablet General] dgondrez:
The iPad runs smooth. It has better graphics. That is where it wins. If you want to be able to put data (songs, movies, files) on it I hope you like the software of iTunes. I don’t. If you want a device that allows you to easily connect a USB hard drive, micro SD-card, or simple connect it to a computer and be able to see it automatically as a hard drive go for the G-Tab. Apple does not evolve in their OS. They keep everything tight and simple. They don’t even have flash. So while it may be lighter than the G-Tab I find the G-tab to be much more versatile in meeting everyday needs. I don’t care about 200,000 apps and who has more. When it comes to the ones a person is going to use they have them on both devices. Should View Sonic ever have released a product with such a horrible UI. No. VS could have taken the tablet market by storm if they would have implemented any of the great ROMS the DEVs on here have made. When you get a new computer it takes a while to set up the first time. Maybe 15 minutes. After fifteen minutes you can have the type of tablet and modifying it to your needs. SO while others laugh because they have a “flawless” iPad, you just tell them sorry did you say something? I was watching this flash video.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I've had both - they have their pros and cons

iPad1 is $300(?) at Verizon, assuming they have stock. GTAB is $300 in places like Tiger Direct. I've owned both.

iPad1 pros:

- The screen. IPS beats TFT, end of story. The screen is beautiful.

- iOS is very well polished - it really does make the best use out of the limited hardware.

- App Store. Some may not care, but if you are the type of person that just wants content "to work" and doesn't care about price, then the iPad is what you want. No fiddling with codecs, for example. You buy the movie and it works. So this depends on the person.

- Accessories. Popular = lots of 'em.

GTAB pros:

- More powerful CPU. It's not even optimized yet. iPad1 is completely dated, already (the MAIN reason why I would not buy an iPad1, if I had the money)

- 512MB RAM vs the iPad1's 256

- Development amd customization

- Stereo speakers

- USB port

- Full HDMI out (granted, you need a dock)

- Drag and drop

- OS agnostic. Got Linux? Works fine with it

- No proprietary USB connection

- It has a camera

- MicroSD slot. Need more storage? Pop in a card

- No iTunes requirement

- Flash. If you want a web experience, you need Flash. It's still needed

This is why I'd still own a GTAB over an iPad1. An iPad2, on the other hand, is much improved. ;)
[G Tablet General] dfin13:
I guess it's a different mindset -- half the fun for me is being able to tinker. What do you get with an iPad? Whatever Apple says you should get :)

That said, the iPad is very slick -- a friend of mine has the iPad 2, and trust me, just for Garageband I was very tempted to jump on board. But I have a Macbook for Garageband, so I can live without it on a tablet.
[G Tablet General] cyberpyr8:
That's what I wanted to see. I felt the same way but I thought I might be biased since I am already an Android owner. As @dgondrez mentioned I don't like iTunes and I have gigs of music already. I rip my own movies down from DVD to put on my devices and I have a ton of apps that do what I need them to do everyday for Android. I guess I was just more worried about the device itself if it was going to be powerful and flexible enough to work for me. I have looked at the G Tablet in person and I thought the screen was fine. It is not as nice as the iPad but other than the Samsung Tab there isn't much that is.

I can't afford a iPad 2 and I don't want to get a subsidized device. I think I will go pickup a G Tablet tomorrow. Thanks for the helpful advise.
[G Tablet General] sleebus.jones:
AMEN brother!

I got my G tab yesterday, and promptly WTFed when I started it up. It's almost as if Viewsonic said to themselves "how can we suck every bit of usefulness out of the android platform and still have something left when we are done?" It's really amazing. Coming from a G1 to Sprint Epic to this, the first-on experience really sucked. No Marketplace? (honestly, WTF+infinity) No Gtalk? No Gmail? No Google calendar? No browser that doesn't suck a bucket of balls? No Marketplace? (I mention this again, because the removal of it is beyond comprehension) The browser...holy cow what a waste of code. Very sluggish with a scroll that is about as rough as Michael Strahan's teeth. Thank god I stumbled across http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/favorite.htm in one of the posts on here which allowed me to get to a market that doesn't blow ass (slide me) and I was able to get Opera mobile there.

My. God. What a difference! So smooth, and so fast! It was like I just bought a different machine. I can't for the life of me understand how they let their browser out of the door the way it runs. Just wow.

If I wasn't able to get this sucker modded, I'd have already returned it, and I just got it yesterday. However, looking at what I see here, there are ready solutions to all of the problems I've mentioned above. I really can't understand why VS would have done what they did. I suppose this would be fine for someone who had never used android before, and doesn't have an android phone, but anyone who has experienced android before is very likely to have their very own WTF moment the first time they fire it up.
[G Tablet General] Chainsaw76:
First, thank you for all your work on the forums, and Modding.

I have been reading the forums, recently (I moded an OLD HTC phone, and spent time on those forums years ago), for the last 3 weeks, but I haven't been able to find any instructions for doing a full backup with NVFalsh. I see how to backup the bct, but that's it.

Does anyone have a link?

-Jason
[G Tablet General] cyberpyr8:
With using it for web, email and Facebook/Twitter what kind of battery life are you getting? That is the one complaint with both my Vibrant and the MT3G. I am always charging my phone when I have a chance. But with the tablet I am thinking about taking it with me to Tech Ed this year and I want it to last me through the day. I don't care if it lasts 10 hours but it can't last only 3-4 with usage. That would be unacceptable.
[G Tablet General] FreelancerMSC:
Just some things to think about...

I am one of the people that got the deal on Woot, then came here, and after finding both places, saw that Roebeet was posting in both places and helping people.

If I was a developer, I know I would be... exasperated trying to answer the same questions over and over, both in forum posts and more than just a few PM's, I'm sure. Especially when theres a "Search" option that allows a user to search the forums to see if anyone else has had the same problem. Add in the fact that with the huge number of people being pointed to XDA and the potential for repeated questions increases well over a hundred fold -- not to mention the short time frame of the possible repeat questions rolling in, as opposed to the average amounts of new users added any other time of the year -- and you have a situation where tempers could easily flare up, given that sometimes its easy to misunderstand the tone of a post/poster.

That being said, all the developers here, and Roebeet in particular, have been phenomenally patient and helpful, both here and in the Woot forum. And thats not even considering the fact that this work and community service isn't even their main, "Nine to Five" job. That really speaks to the their dedication and passion for these devices and ROMs. So Thank You, all of you. That alone makes XDA a worthwhile place to return to and browse if I have any questions or anything I feel is worth sharing.

Thats my 2 cents worth, anyhow.
[G Tablet General] heinrich:
You guys are funny :)

Buying tabs off Woot or Amazon or whatever has NO BEARING on the buyer's technical skills, or their propensity to do things right or wrong.

EACH ONE of you bought your tabs somewhere ... whether it be WOOT or Amazon or BestBuy or .... and now you come back and say others who bought theirs the same way, are fools. Too funny.

I bought mine on Woot and it has not yet arrived.

I've owned and loved 2 Android phones and many other mobile devices, all sorts of Apple products and WinMo over the years. I have modded every single one of them, and used adb etc etc .... JUST LIKE YOU.

Sometimes we brick things ... or it looks like we did ... and we sweat bullets (I did this many times with iPhones only to find a way back - eg unlocking for T-Mobile and upgrading baseband -- OOPS ;)).

So sheesh guys lay off the wooters. "Less than savvy people"?? Whatever.

Have a nice day :)
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Try this as a guide: http://tosh-ac100.wetpaint.com/page/Backup+and+Restore

But do NOT use the canned bootloader, use the GTAB one (it's in a stock ROM). You can backup your partition table into and all the partitions this way.

You are very perceptive - I'm actually quite nervous about all this. I actually need to be offline this afternoon for work, and I'm afraid of what I'll find when I come back. :O Lots and lots of PM's.....
[G Tablet General] johnhrschuster:
Gtab arrived yesterday

GTablet arrived yesterday from Woot. Ordered on the 23rd and it arrived yesterday. After charging it and updating the the latest release I am using it and I am quite surprised that it is not the lug-net I read about in many news group posts. It runs very quick. Out of the box it ran the "Classic view" and didn't look much different than that Archos 101 or the EVO phone. Angry birds and Kindle were both pre-installed on the GTablet and work just fine.

However just like my Archos the GTablet came with a sub-standard market place. The Archos only required me to download and APK to the Archos and run it and the full Android marketplace was there. The GMarketplace is a sad excuse for an Android marketplace. Not much of the things I would use Android Comic Viewer, WinAmp, Audible for Android, RDC, gMail, gReader and Google apps are not available.

I'm not one much for rooting and installing ROMs even though I am a computer professional. I got the GTablet at Woot for a deal and I'll keep it but it will never be a contender because the effort and risk required to get something that should standard.

Maybe I am missing the point. It's all about the app's and the marketplace is where the app's are at.

Has anyone tried the Amazon Android marketplace with GTablet?
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Yeah, it works - but Amazon has allowed DRM into the app -- so a dev can choose to only allow an app to run if the Amazon AppStore is installed and logged in. Serious "phone home" stuff going on.

For truly free apps, I still prefer the Google Market. As for your remark about this this being a non-contender without a good App Store, I agree with you. Imo, if you are not rooting it / modding it to get the Google Market, you aren't getting the most out of the device. My subjective opinion, of course.
[G Tablet General] pyth47:
Yes the amazon app market does work. Go to Amazon.com and follow the links for the app market. Amazon will email you a link to the app, which works wonderfully. As a wooter, I am using that as my app market until the next update comes out.

-Don
[G Tablet General] wasserkapf:
What many of the newest g-tablet owners don't understand, is that it is not ViewSonic's fault that Android Market is not installed. Google will not allow a non-phone device to have Android Market. I don't recall the specific requirements, but I think built-in GPS is one of them.

Installing Android Market is not difficult, just try following one of the threads dedicated to it.
[G Tablet General] Chainsaw76:
Perfect, thank you again. Should have it tomorrow.

-Jason
[G Tablet General] Chainsaw76:
I tried with the default bootloader but, using ubuntu, the nvflash -r --getpartitiontable command just hung.

Confirmed I was in APX mode with lsusb showing 0955:7820

-Jason
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Try the nvflash in bekit's 1105 image (if you haven't already tried that) - I'd direct you to linux4tegra, but Nivdia recently pulled it. It could be your version of nvflash, just a guess.
[G Tablet General] Chainsaw76:
[EDIT: I figured out what I was doing wrong. I will post "my" solution in a bit.]

-Jason
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
I am currently slowly building a website called viewsonic g tab for dummies. It will have step by step instructions on how to do everything you need to do without having to comb the xda forums. Hopefully, I'll be able to launch this weekend.

I hope everyone realizes my intentions about starting this thread and just not think I'm a prick. Speaking as a dummy, I know how risky it is for dummies to do moddings. I keep seeing people jumping in on the modding bandwagon and then skip important steps here and there. I'm also tired seeing some people on this forum answering newbie questions in a way that newbies can't possibly understand. Personally, I think Roebeet should be the one launching a gtab for dummies. He's the one with the most patience and political correctness.

Anyway, just a heads up for it.
[G Tablet General] Chainsaw76:
Ok, my problem was the bootloader wasn't getting loaded. I misunderstood (I think) your directions. I didn't grab the boot loader from the backup tutorial you sent, and assumed APX mode was a bootloader.. That was my mistake. I did use the bootloader from bekits 1105 files.

here is what worked for creating what I THINK is a full backup (unfortunatly I had already installed TNT Lite 4.4 before I figured this out.

in Linux using nvflash and bootloader.bin from bekit 1105

Boot into APX mode (power and "-")

sudo ./nvflash --bl bootloader.bin --go
sudo ./nvflash -r --getpartitiontable partitiontable.txt
sudo ./nvflash -r --read 2 bupart-2.img

{Repeat the last line changing the 2 to 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12}

-Jason
[G Tablet General] Pinckneyite:
Problems with TNTlite 4.4.0 and USB connection

Ok, I don't just where to post this question. I installed TNT 4.4.0 using CWM and things work pretty well. But I cannot get the USB connection between the gTab and my 'puter to work. I followed the outline that Roebeet updated at the end of March. Couldn't post there (too much of a noob I guess) with this question, so here it is. Anyone know anything about how to fix this?
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Q&A would have been a better place to drop this one, FYI (I assume new users have access to that?). For USB, you need to click on the "!" and then mount the USB that way.
[G Tablet General] macmic6:
Thanks

After spending many hours reading the info RE: the G Tab I have decided to leave it aloe and hopefully wait for the new upgrade that may or may not give me the Android market. I have found that I can use the Amazon Android app and install apps through that. I would like more functionality and less force closes but at least it's not a brick :D . Thanks,

Michele :)
[G Tablet General] goodintentions:
This is exactly why I started this thread.
[G Tablet General] electricwes:
mistakes aren't always a bad thing

The g tab is my first android device and just like every other operaring system it has good and bad sides. I jumped into modding the within an hour after getting mine ( after spending a couple of days researching ) and of course I immediately soft bricked it. The key is not to panic. I guarantee that you will learn more by fixing mistakes than you ever would if eveything just went smoothly for you.

jmhop

electricwes

sent from my g tab running vegan gingerbread experimental