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[HTC Incredible S] oli.henning:
No, it seems to be a pretty good UMTS-coverage. And the mobile-data-download-speed with HSPDA is really fast (1-2 MBit/s). And when i go outdoor the signal-strength (as shown on the phones display) goes up to 4-of-4-bars (100% Signal). And still: incomming calls not working.

So i think the 'physical' Network-Infrastructure is not the problem. It's obviously a netwrok-logic-problem.

Thanks a lot for your help/ideas.
[HTC Incredible S] oli.henning:
Ok, some new observations.

The problem of "no incomming calls while connected through UMTS" seems to be a local problem of the network-cell/Antenna around my home.

If i'm about 500m away then the problem seems to disappear..

Of course i did not test every Antenna of Orange Switzerland :D

Another point: I wrote that the problem just occures when i'm booked in in UMTS AND mobile-data is inactive. That's not completly true, as my newest investigations show: The problem is also present if UMTS-mobile-data is enabled.

But it dissapears for some seconds while and shortly after there is mobile-data-traffic.

Example:

- UMTS forced (no GSM), mobile-data enabled, WiFi disabled

- Phone 'idles' some minutes, no background data-transfer

- Here the Phone can not be called

- Now i go into Android-Market, search a 'Big-App' (10-20MB) and start download

- While the download is in Progress the Phone CAN be called :confused:

- A few seconds after the download completes, the Phone still CAN be called

- But later - let's say 60 seconds - the Problem re-appears.

So it seems that an active data-transfer is like a 'heartbeat' for the Orange-Cell and the Cell registers the phone as 'online'. But when data-idle the heartbeat is missin.

I will make some more calls to the Orange Hotline :mad:
[HTC Incredible S] leecavturbo:
did you solve it. i don't think thats the case certainly not for me as i'm having exactly that issue of no calls while in 3g mode but if i go back to a stock rom its fine. so the reception distance/signal is identical (i.e i haven't moved anywhere) and its fine on one rom and not another so it must be software (in my case)
[HTC Incredible S] oli.henning:
So, hi together.

As the original poster i can now confirm that the described problem dissapeared.

We had nothing to do - so no change of any settings nor doing any software-updates. It's simply woking again.

So i'm no pretty sure that the problem was just a local one, in exactly out network-cell. No problem of the device.

Nevertheless: Thanks all for yout infos and tipps.

Oli
[General Questions and Answers] eradicator-android:
I've loaded the new CM7 RC2 versions from 009 to 011.

The WLOD accurs when launching stock browser or facebook and some games.

What I've done is to go to Cyanogen Settings and to Performance.

I ticked the Set on boot checkbox and changed to Battery saver.. since then haven't had any WLOD on stock browser or facebook for android.

Guess this is OC related.

Although when I restart my phone it gives a "force close " error on Cyanogenmod Settings and changes my govenerback to on demand the WLOD is still not accuring.

Is the WLOD issue resolved in 012 or am I just lucky for now.

Also hope this works for more people or the Devs . Sorry but I can't post on the Devs Threads.....

I've tried everything... no WLOD on the 2 mentioned apps anymore. Don't know what fixed it , but it only stopped after as mentioned above
[General Questions and Answers] downesey:
i would try this but im on the 12 rom. Are you suggesting that going back to 11 and changing the settings, then reflashing and restoring data would work?
[General Questions and Answers] eradicator-android:
I won't suggest that... I went on to the new v012 and now WLOD on v012..

I Will go back to v011 and do the same changes to see what happens..

This was not meant as a solution to the problem just maybe for the DEVS to have a look.

Also on v011 I can play fruit slice but WLOD on v012.

EDIT: also i've noticed when playing 3D games White LED coming on and off but not killing phone and when on low power,, this WLOD issue might be the Mhz Difference and battery types in lots of different phones.

So one custom rom maybe doesn't support various types, hense forth people getting diiferent WLOD crashes

EDIT : Now the fruit slice game works... Haven't changed anything..

This WLOD's are really an extreme random thing, DEVS must have a really hard time.

I think most people don't flash their phone completely the right way maybe even me..

I've noticed that unless you do a complete format of the sd card and don't restore anything from a previous version there is always something

left on the phone and when downloading the same app it uses that data. hense WLOD's (maybe)

v012 Facebook and Browser working

Ex : I've Reflashed my phone cleared all the things off and when I reinstalled the fancy widget's app the downloaded skins were still their, I think lots of apps leave traces so even with the cleaning tools that exist you dont always get rid of everything and with a restore lots of people probably import the corrupted files.
[General Questions and Answers] eradicator-android:
CM 7 v012 is alot better than v011.. Thanks to the DEVS..

i've Had minor issues that somehow sort themselves with a reboot after first load of a app,,, nothing else serious as yet.

v012 Is The most stable Android 2.3.3 so far.

Thanx
[EVO Shift 4G General] finalhit:
Currently using Mikshift (latest) with BC's 1.8 kernel, although i don't really know if these has anything to do with my problem.

I have 4G on, and i have a fairly consistent "fair" connection. however, whenever i try to do a wired tether, as soon as i select the "tether" option on the list, the 4g connection drops, tries to reconnect and fails, then reconnects again as soon as i get out of tether mode.

tethering does work, but only with a 3G connection

is this a sprint policy, or is there something going on here? I'm paying $10 extra for stupid 4G, i better be able to tether with it.
[EVO Shift 4G General] prboy1969:
Tethering with 4G right now, using PdaNet. Do it all the time.
[EVO Shift 4G General] danaff37:
You can't tether 4g with the built in sprint tether, you need to use a third party app. And for some reason the free third party apps don't work in 3g, so you have to bounce back and forth.
[EVO Shift 4G General] JKILO:
Just use wireless tether :P
[EVO Shift 4G General] finalhit:
Thanks for the responses.

I actually just opted to just 3rd party, easytether. Anyone know why 4g cannot be tethered? Is it just sprint being stingy?

i dont need a signature
[EVO Shift 4G General] JKILO:
Why not use wireless tether...you can use 4g lol setup a hotspot for xbox..works
[EVO Shift 4G General] finalhit:
The computer I needed to tether doesn't have wifi. (It's a desktop pc)

i dont need a signature
[EVO Shift 4G General] DWake014:
Built in wireless tether with evervolv works very well, will update on 4g capability tomorrow afternoon
[EVO Shift 4G General] Rob_ec:
Even with wireless tether I get a slow connection with 4 g I think they cap it
[EVO Shift 4G General] linuxman84:
Wireless tether seems to work fine in both 3g and 4g modes for me, no problems here I haven't seen any type of cap.
[EVO Shift 4G General] JKILO:
working on a mod to uncap data usage even though sprint claims to not cap data

thats what i was tryin to say lol and good to hear
[EVO Shift 4G General] wireless.praying.mantis:
Actually the $10 for Premium Data is what everyone now pays who either activated a new smartphone, placed one on their MIN or upgraded to one on of after 01/30/11. You were fed a nice pile of steaming BS thinking the extra $10 was for 4G. Think about all those customers who don't live within the Clear WiMAX footprint nor travel to one. They too forked out $10/month. I'd suggest getting Easy Tether Pro from the market and use that instead of the default app on the HTC EVO Shift 4G.
[EVO Shift 4G General] wireless.praying.mantis:
Sprint does not cap data usage on 4G devices. It is really unlimited...for now.
[EVO Shift 4G General] Rob_ec:
Not through the actuall device I get good speeds through the phone but when I use the wireless tethering to my laptop it doesn't even let me download anything past 200 KBs that's pretty slow considering when I use the phone it downloads way way faster than that.
[Android Apps and Games] lucksma96:
CLOSED per OP's request
[Atrix 4G General] youareme7:
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.

Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.

http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338

I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!

Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
[Atrix 4G General] Gr8Danes:
Awesome! Yes, please do! It worked for HSUPA, it is worth a shot.
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
[Atrix 4G General] kdoodle:
Presenters:

Greg Wilson, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility

Greg is a Technology Evangelist at Motorola Mobility, helping developers to create the best possible Android applications. Prior to joining Motorola, Greg was at Palm (and its various incarnations) doing similar work for the Palm OS developer community. Greg has been programming since the early days of the microcomputer, and has written software for programmable calculators, IBM mainframes, and an assortment of microprocessor architectures and microcomputer operating systems.

Peter van der Linden, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility

Peter is the Android Technology Evangelist within the Developer Tools and Technical Services team at Motorola. He is not afraid of bugs, and has a collection of several prize bugs (software only).

They work for Motorola.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Make sure to point out the number of people that want this.

http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
[Atrix 4G General] guidojusto:
I'm not going to be able to watch and partcipate for this. I would like if someone could record this conference.

Thanks.
[Atrix 4G General] NonovUrbizniz:
Because AT&T is behind 99pct of the problems with the Atrix:

- No Side Loading - AT&T

- Reduced Speeds - AT&T

- No Root Access - AT&T

Motorola made it pretty clear pre-release they wanted to open up the bootloader, AT&T obviously shut that down.
[Atrix 4G General] hate_Romania:
maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
I doubt it. I asked in their MotoDev forum.

http://community.developer.motorola...trix-App-summit-on-March-29th-2011/td-p/12350
[Atrix 4G General] ncfballkid:
I'm not sure if it would actually do us any good, but I mean i guess it would be worth a try. Who is all gunna be the conference tomorrow??
[Atrix 4G General] Saschwatch:
I think (When it comes to their "bootloader solution") what they meant to say was "We do what we think is right when it comes to working with devs and customers, and will continue to do so in the future". And, what everyone took that to mean was "THEY ARE GONNA UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER FOR US". I'm not saying I agree AT ALL, I just sometimes try to look at it from both sides.

I definitely want this thing unlocked, but I'm not counting on Moto to do too much about it. Not to say opinions shouldn't be voiced!
[Atrix 4G General] neer2005:
No one should be blaming ATT for the locked bootloader. Motorola's Droids (except for OG Droid) all have been locked down and they are on Verizon's network. Feel free to blame ATT for upload speeds, fake 4G, no sideloading, global warming, etc...
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.

All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.

I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
[Atrix 4G General] shawnbuck:
I second Ririal. Those two that are going to be presenting tomorrow are evangelists, and are going to be pretty in the dark about the situation.
[Atrix 4G General] drock212:
I think the chat will be very interesting. Devs being there should be good for a prediction on where Moto plans to take the Atrix... wonder if we can ask questions in a round about way to see if they slip on how they unlock the bootloader to develop on the phone... lol yea I know wishful thinking this isn't a cartoon or movie lol but one can dream... I'll try and make the chat and see if I can record it for you guys
[Atrix 4G General] Deleted member 2488575:
I have school at that time but can someone do me a favour and bug them about his.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=980047

Its common with half the people that unlocked the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] electronaut:
I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.

However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.

I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.

Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
[Atrix 4G General] ikenley:
Agreed Ririal.

The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.

We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.

http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
[Atrix 4G General] Ririal:
Absolutely. I saw your petition and have signed it. I'd love to see them, at the very least, give us an answer. We may not like it, but at least we'd have one instead of empty promises right now. No need to get upset about it, though :)
[Atrix 4G General] stewartsoda:
THIS THIS

Being able to create/load webtop apps would be an awesome feature that would turn the webtop from an interesting sideshow to a must-have.

I am hesitant to spend anything on the lapdock because I don't think it would be much more useful than the phone itself. If I could throw OpenOffice down on there or something using apt-get then I would totally buy it.

I understand that Moto might want to control the user experience, as nobody is going to be doing any high-powered computation or gaming on it, but third-party apps would be really neat.
[Atrix 4G General] vista1984:
it should be begun at 10:00am?
[Atrix 4G General] meta96:
... is there are reason

to let their customers in the dark? Motorola is just a too soft company without a warm spirit. Open root and signed Kernel has been a way a lot could live with. Open/Locked bootloader with losing some warranty rights could be another way. Open bootloader for netlock free (open market) devices similar to the new SonyEricsson solution another one. Looking on the Motorola Atrix support pages there are just 3 themes which are relevant: voice, hsupa, bootloader. Everything is solvable just with a simple information line ... but no answer is soooo yesterday (old-style) in a the time of internet/facebook/blogs ...
[Atrix 4G General] NoNameAtAll:
I'd like to know when Gingerbread is coming.

The new blur looks quite nice.
[Atrix 4G General] cegna09:
Hold on, you guys think that petition got the kernel released? nice delusion. It's part of the open source rules that they have to release that. It was going to happen petition or not. But keep dreaming if you want.

bugging them during this this will do nothing but make you look like a bunch of whiny 12 year olds.
[Atrix 4G General] blackax:
US/Canada: (1) (877) 361-5644

International: (1) (503) 295-8000

Pin: 7336
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
joined and will sit in and listen while at work. we'll see if anyone says anything.
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
yeah these guys are pretty useless. the Q&A consists of a lot of "i don't know, you can look on the website"

EDIT: two people asked about bootloader unlocking. "no comment"
[Atrix 4G General] nomisunrider:
Yup. All they said was, post questions on their forum about the bootloader...
[Atrix 4G General] resin99:
Supposedly the slides will be posted on: http://developer.att.com/webcasts

Agree with the above posts, no answers to any relevant questions.
[Atrix 4G General] blackax:
They where very closed off on the bootloader question
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
well at least i can throw my hat in the ring for the free smartphone.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
Bastids, lol why is this so taboo?

After the bootloader question they began to whisper. Wonder what it was they were whispering.

(Ill get the handcuffs you get the cool whip?)
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
yeah, pretty much anything that wasn't already existing, they didn't have an answer for or skirted it (i.e. adding webtop apps SDK, using chrome on webtop instead of firefox). his rationale for not talking about using chrome instead of firefox was that the stock android browser uses Webkit, not Chrome as its base. But Webtop has firefox, and that uses gecko, so his answer was pretty useless.
[Atrix 4G General] t0dbld:
that was by far the worst webinar i have ever attended, they didn't teach anything for developing, all there api's that are different from other phones are closed, and they didn't answer any real questions i sent three (non bootloader related) i got zero answered. Basically it was a hour long commercial for the phone and docks
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
the best part was at the end when they asked

How would you rate this developer webcast?

[] GREAT

[] GOOD

[] FAIR

[] NO VOTE

really? no negative feedback allowed?
[Atrix 4G General] t0dbld:
thats because i kept sending messages like.... i thought this was for devleopers, you already stated all of your apis are closed so how is this going to help us... is this a meeting to tell me all about the features of a phone that i have had for over a month ?

:-P ya well now we know that is useless to attend
[Atrix 4G General] hotleadsingerguy:
You knew it was useless to attend before going...but instead of being an adult and just expressing dissatisfaction you used sarcasm and rhetoric to make them think you're a 13 year old. That's the *exact* reason developers don't feel the need to explain anything to their consumers...because they're convinced most of us are barely post-natal.
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
were you IN that webcast? it was terrible.
[Atrix 4G General] t0dbld:
ummm? what are you talking about? what do you do for a living? I think you need to know a little about people before you comment in such manner, as you have no idea who i am or what i have done. i was invited to attend a webinar.... I did not sign up , i was told it was for development for the atrix and i should attend from motorola ... i get there and it is only an hour long commercial for the docks and the phone, and im a child for writing a question about if the meeting was indeed for developers , also asking that if the finger print api is closed , as the webtop is closed, what exactly would they be showing to use with the atrix? I am sorry that i own 3 corp's and a partner in another business and my time is money, my questioning was relevant to the fact that if they were there to sell me on a device that i have owned for a month than i could save myself the next 45 minutes and leave, also it was a request as to what would be discussed if all the api's that are not a part of every other android device were closed. witch the answer was how to use an already outdated api for the front facing camera, that would not be forward compatible to gingerbread... i also asked 3 very important questions, witch they did not answer as the Q&a was maybe 3 minutes, and they only answered questions that were apparently from people who had not used java or html5 before ...

As for expression dissatisfaction , if you read the post i responded to with mine you would have seen that you could not select dissatisfied :-)

god it is harder and harder to be a part of XDA these days, the rude people and trolls are just out of control. Have a good day
[Atrix 4G General] juzz86:
+1. Seems every thread has them, especially in the Atrix section :( I've been watching the old bootloader thread for days and it's disappointing to see so many people 1) so negative, 2) so critical and 3) so thick!

Roll on the Recognised Developer status, so devs can have a private area to meet and control over their threads.
[Atrix 4G General] xxtsfxx:
It is for these reasons i believe that the thread starter should have a block option for these people so him/her can either allow certain groups to post and/or block individual people. Something similar to Facebook privacy settings? But, I get thats too complex so maybe individual blocking?
[Atrix 4G General] Mr. Clown:
Moved to general