yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Vibrant Android Development] los0325:
I know wrong thread, but whats up with edtdev.Com everytime I try to view tells me I don't have permission?
[Vibrant Android Development] jellette:
Not sure. It's set to view and download without having to register.
[Vibrant Android Development] los0325:
This is what I get :(
[Vibrant Android Development] jellette:
Huh, we will look into it - first I have seen or heard reports of that.
[Vibrant Android Development] jcc332006:
Use this file should work. Flash in CW.Hope it helps. Good Luck!:)
[Vibrant Android Development] los0325:
OK ill leave it alone good look rom here
[Vibrant Android Development] jellette:
Working with the host, the server went down.
[Vibrant Android Development] Abu-7abash:
So this enables me to read arabic sms and emails , type it and browse arabic sites oj stock apps with connected letters and all?
[Vibrant Android Development] jellette:
It is supposed to but I dont read Arabic good enough to test it.
[Vibrant Android Development] lover86:
i was able to fix it with a full wipe, but now when i make a phone call the system crashes
[Vibrant Android Development] jellette:
Did you mean to post this somewhere else?
[Galaxy 3 General] burakweischdu:
Hey guys, i have a question

I did delet the system app FMRadio.apk cause i found one what was themed. Now when i am gonna install it it doesnt allow me this. It says didnt install. Can anyone give me some tips how i can push that file to the system apps please?
[Galaxy 3 General] bator:
Download SGSTools!

Delete the program with SGSTools, and install the new.
[Galaxy 3 General] goranek777:
Try with root explorer, or QtADB-on PC
[Galaxy 3 General] burakweischdu:
Thx goranek, but i tried with rootexplorer and it didnt allow me :/
[Galaxy 3 General] burakweischdu:
Bator i will try it now ! Thx
[Galaxy 3 General] bator:
Your welcome :)
[Galaxy 3 General] sheron:
u must have root privileges and must enable R/W mode

if u don't know how to install using root explorer

paste the app to system/app
[Galaxy 3 General] M4ri0:
Did you try just to push the .apk with rootexplorer to system/app/ ?

Cause system apps don't need to install in the normal way I think.

[EDIT] to slow...
[Galaxy 3 General] sheron:
yes u cannot install the system apps just push it (some original apps are possible-thinkfree office- but are not considered as system apps)

got same problem with talk u cannot install it just push
[Galaxy 3 General] goranek777:
Y you can set RW to system with SGS tools:

Apply script--> mount_system_rw.q.txt

tada you can move anything to system/app
[Galaxy 3 General] jaskiratsingh:
when you move apps to system/app folder, you need to set permissions to rw-r--r--

This can be done by setting permissions as:

Read Write Execute

User Check Check Blank

Group Check Blank Blank

Others Check Blank Blank

Apps should then work
[Galaxy 3 General] burakweischdu:
Thank you all guys, now i know how to move them or change them, thanks a lot!! Thanks thanks thanks ^^
[Galaxy 3 General] xiaoniu219:
Y you can set RW to system with SGS tools:

Apply script--> mount_system_rw.q.txt

tada you can move anything to system/app
[Galaxy 3 General] burakweischdu:
Yea, found that out :D thx ^^

Sent from my GT-I5800
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mc999:
I am completely new at this, I read that some say the battery drains too quickly over night while in sleep mode (running the vegan 5.1 rom), even when wifi, sync, etc. were shut off. Has anyone else experienced this? How is this compared with iPad? Thanks!
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
I'm too a bit concern about this issue. Does this problem occur on Vegan ROM only or other ROMs?

What about standard ROM?
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bcampbe7:
Why not just plug it in overnight? Seems easy enough...
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Well, it's all about convenience. I just don't want to remember to keep thingy plugged in overnight, every night...

With average usage about couple hours per day - single charge should lasts for 5 days.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bcampbe7:
Understood...

I had to retrain myself when I got my HTC Incredible. :) I keep a charger at work, home and in both vehicles so I always have power available when I need it. Once I rooted, installed Hydra Kernel and got rid of the bloatware my battery uptime was significantly improved.

I suppose the bloatware on the stock ROM would cause some battery drain that would be helped by a custom ROM or at least removing the bloatware that you do not need.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Yup, that's the question. Which ROM has least amount of bloatware...
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dueces99:
Whats the hydra kernel?
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mantara:
Depends on what you consider bloatware :-)

VEGAn is pretty clean if you ask me, but I did stream line it a bit for battery life.

System app remover is awesome. No more using terminal to pull apks manually.

I Yank out the tts (text to speech) stuff

I pull streetview and gmaps (I can get directions from gmaps online if I need them)

I pull email and Gmail (the galaxy tab email port runs my Hotmail and Gmail from one app and I can tell it to never check unless I press the check button)

I pull the news and weather app (I can control update regularity with beautiful Widgets to sync once an hour as apposed to once a min with stock)

I gut out the stock browser and launcher after replacing them with dolphin HD and launcher pro.

There are more but since I already pulled them I can't exactly check :-P

I get amazing battery life this way. If I shut it down when I'm done with it I can make it last all week on one charge at about 3-4 hours of moderate use a day.

I can use it all day heavily and put it to sleep at night and still wake up with 30+% battery.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Looks like gTab never goes truly asleep, just turned screen off. Some apps continue to work.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mc999:
Thank you, I will give the systemapp remover a try.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dougdelong:
This is where the Ipad and the Gpad are totally different. I can charge the ipad to 100% and wifi wll be turned on and I can turn it on a week later and the battery will be at 99%. The gpad with wifi turned off will be down to nothing in just a couple of days. Like someone said the thing is never off. I hate having to keep it plugged in all the time.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rumbleweed:
Under settings / about look at battery usage and you should be able to see what is using your battery.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] turnedmyworld:
I used system app remover to take out all my reduntant apps (launcher, browser, music player, ect) and set my wifi to turn off when the screen turns off and now my gtab just sips the battery.

I went to bed with it at 41% last night and checked it this morning as I was about to leave for work (8 hours later) and the battery was at 35%! Before I was losing almost 20% a night so this is a HUGE difference!

I'm going to try to optimize a little more when I get home. The only app running that I dont really need is the Amazon Market so I may get rid of that and see if that helps any. My goal is to get it to .5% battery drain per hour.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mantara:
The wifi settings took a while for me to find so if anyone wants to know hit menu while in wifi connections & settings and hit advanced.

.5% is a good goal. Still tinkering myself and have it arround .7% but I know .5% is not out of reach.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mc999:
I use a widget called "Power Widget", which provides a one button on/off for many settings including wifi. This is the free version: https://market.android.com/details?id=at.abraxas.powerwidget.free&feature=search_result
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] turnedmyworld:
Setting the wifi to turn off with the screen is a HUGE power saver. When my gtab was draining a lot of battery I looked up the battery usage statistics and the wifi was using almost as much as the system idle!

I think right now I'm hovering at about .8% battery drain. I might turn off my RSS widget since I mainly use Pulse as my news source now. .5% here I come!
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Well, I set WiFi policy to Off when screen is off and use Task Killer to shutdown every running process before putting tablet asleep and still battery loosing charge from 91% down to 77% in about 10 hours.

So, my numbers are about 1.4% per hour when gtab in "sleep" mode.

I check WiFi router and can see that gTab does switch WiFi off...

Question about that system app remover. How it removes redundant apps (say like stock email, music player, google search) from read-only system partition?

I thought that the only way to remove them is to rebuild and then re-flash ROM without those apps.

That's why apps like "Advanced Task Killer" etc. only kill processes from memory, but then Android re-launch them again.

I understand, that for phone not to fall deep into sleep is a feature, but for a tablet it's just a waste...
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mc999:
I installed "SystemApp Remover". It lists the apps in 2 categories "Regular Apps" and "System Apps". Regular apps are the ones you can remove normally without this app; the ones under "System Apps" are the build-in ones that you can not remove using the usual method. Once you select "System Apps", choose "Assist" in settings, and the app will highlight the system apps in 3 colors - green, yellow, red. Green=ok to remove; yellow=maybe ok to remove; red=removal not recommended.

I suggest you know what you're removing even for the green ones. The name of the app usually tells or just Google it. You can also back it up in settings before the removal.

I have removed some, not enough to test for results yet, but I've seen a few positive feedback from others. Just be careful while doing it, that's all.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Interesting, what is the most "power hungry" or better say - "refusing go to sleep" application?

I understand, this tests might be tedious to do. I think that the best candidates are those who are restarted on its own after Task Killer killed them..
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mc999:
Try "SystemPanel", it has a function that monitors which app uses the battery the most. According to its description, the monitor function uses about 1 minute of battery if it runs for a full day. And, the monitor function can be turned off and nothing else would run in the background from SystemPanel. There is a Free version as well.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] albright:
I don't get why leaving wifi on consumes the battery very

much at all.

Doesn't android use power management with wifi????

For example, I have a nokia n810. Wifi is always on (when

at home) but if the connection is idle wifi goes into a low

power consumption mode (how this is done is really interesting

by the way). Overnight, it will lose less than 5% battery.

It looks to me that the gtablet is set so that wifi cannot

enter power saving mode.

Which is sad.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Well, gTab can turn WiFi off when sleep. I have that settings and can see that WiFi indeed goes off when tablet is asleep.

I think problem is that Android OS eats too much when stays idle, doing something which it should not to be doing because there is no connection to outside world.

Maybe checking for new Ads from Google... It's very frustrated.

Basically, Android OS does not support well "sleep/energy save" mode.

Last night I did experiment with SystemApp removal tool. I removed almost all "green" ones, like Weather, Gmail, Maps, etc. Then Kill everything in memory with Task Killer and left tablet overnight...

Results are 13% over 9 hours... That's 1.4% per hour. Means, If I let full charged tablet asleep it will be dead in less then 3 days.

Question for those guys who have 0.8% discharge rate per hour - what ROM and what apps are you running?

PS: I did not have ANY portable devices (untill now) which cannot hold charge in sleep mode for 3 days.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Another night, another experiment...

This time I did not kill processes in memory (and there was a dozen of them). I just put tablet asleep.

And results are - 1.44% per hour. So, looks like Task Killer does not needed. Something going on with Android OS itself.

I did some research and this is pretty common problem for g-Tab. For Moto Xoom tablet results are much better, basically less then 1% per hour.

Did Google solve this problem in 3.x? What can we do about our 2.2 OS?
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Ok, last night I installed SetCPU with profile that suppose to keep Terga2 CPU at minimum (216Mhz) speed when screen is off.

Result is the same - 1.4% of battery discharge per hour. Oh well, I guess CPU is not a problem.

I did search web regarding this issue and found nothing I did not tried yet. I'm using TnT lite 4.4 ROM. As of now I'm out of ideas.

So far I've tested: killing all apps before going to sleep, leaving apps running, uninstalling some build-in ROM services, changing CPU speed down to minimum when screen is off, turning WiFi explicitly off. Discharge rate stays almost the same. And battery monitor function shows system idle at 65%.

I hate to turn tablet off because it defeats the purpose - instant access to internet etc. So, I have to keep gTablet on a charger all the time when it's not in use.

Btw, my laptop's boot time is about 20 sec (thanks to SSD drive) - gTablet's cold boot time is about 50 sec...
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atb1183:
because each charge cycle counts against the Li-ion/Li-Po battery. Li-ion has abt 300 cycles before it drops to about 70% capacity. Li-Po battery is suppose to do 1000 or so.

I dont want my tablet to lose 30% battery capacity after 1 year because i have to charge it every day
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atb1183:
How is that possible: idling for a week on 1 charge

pretty much everyone here has reported about a min of 1%/hr when the gtab sleep. thats with wifi off, and various other tweaks. that works out to be about 4 days of idling, no other use. screen off the whole time

Please let us know what you did to get that phenomenal battery idling/sleep performance
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roguey:
get juice defender
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schettj:
Yeah, but you misunderstand "charge cycle" - that's a full discharge/recharge. If you recharge at 60%, you've used 40% of one cycle.

That's why, with no memory effect, it's better to recharge often. Deep cycle discharges are far worse for LiON than repeated "top-off" charges.

I doubt the lifespan of the device is longer than a year anyway, but nightly recharges do nothing to harm the battery. After a year your battery will have nearly the same capacity as before.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Yup, you are right about cycle counting - it's full cycles counts toward battery degradation.

However, lipo chemistry is degrading on it's own, due to time, temperature and this process goes more faster if battery is kept full all the time.

Btw, my last Sony laptop has mode which will charge battery only to 80% - this way battery will degrade slower. It's 3 years old original battery still in pretty good shape. With other laptops, I usually have to swap-in new battery every year or year and half.

So, my point is that - to keep it at 100% all the time is not better then to let it drain due to high self discharge when not in use and then recharge it.

Ideally, gtablet should not consume that much current when in sleep mode (or should restart from cold-boot faster).
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schettj:
This is why the gtab usually stops below 100% charge - there is no risk to nightly charging on anything made in the last 5 years, the era of blind overcharging of batteries is long over.

All of this aside, the whole point (IMHO) of these things is to just USE them, not manage them and baby them. I want mine on and connected 24/7, and I can do that just fine charging overnight, running all day off battery, and keeping it from going into deep sleep & disconnecting wifi when the screen is off. My bet is it will be long relegated to the recycle pile before the battery loses any significant amount of capacity.

I guess its an interesting accomplishment getting idle battery down to .5%/hour, but if I have to castrate the device to get there I really don't see the point.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
yes, I see your point. It's all good.

I just don't use my tablet all day long (may be couple hours a day) but have to recharge it every other day anyway... kind of sucks.

Android OS is pretty notorious with "WAKE_LOCK" API they introduced into Linux. Hopefully in 3.0 Google has been sorted out that power management problem.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JackAbramoff:
That's a pretty bad extrapolation. While number of cycles is relevant, cycle depth (particularly discharge depth) is considerably more important to the battery life than sheer number of cycles.

A perfect example of this is the Toyota Prius (and yes, I understand they use a different battery chemistry, but the effect is the same). When the model was introduced, people were worried that the batteries would have to be replaced so often that it would counteract (or more) the decreased fuel bills. But there are lots of Priuses on the road now with 200,000+ miles on them, still with their original battery packs. That kind of mileage represents tens of thousands of cycles or more, orders of magnitude than are usually possible with NiMH batteries. What's the secret? The engineers that designed the car limit the discharge to the 40% level, and they limit the charge to 60%. Yes, that means that they're only getting 20% of the battery's capacity on any individual cycle, but it extends the cycle life to a tremendous degree.

If you want the batteries to last a long time, limit their discharge whenever you possibly can -- in other words, spend as little time as possible off of the charger. A single discharge down into the 10% range can shorten the battery life considerably, perhaps more than hundreds of smaller discharges. Don't do it.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
That's the key to keep battery's chemistry happy - trying to keep it in between 40 - 60%.

If you will keep it 100% charged all the time (plus high temperature) - battery will degrade faster.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schettj:
If you have an incredibly dumb charger, yes. Of course, those haven't existed for quite a long time... modern power system will cut the battery out of the circuit once it reaches full charge, and then (assuming you leave it plugged in for days) will restart charging after it discharges a significant amount.

In other words, the $0.50 worth of electronics does a better job of what you're trying to do than you do. Just let it do the work :)
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
No, you have missed the point. Li-ion Battery chemistry will last longer (much longer) when it's not charged to 100% and/or exposed to high temperature.

How much longer? There are some numbers and tests at batteryuniversity.com

That's why my Vaio laptop has mode when it would charge battery only to 80% (when I need full capacity then to 100%). And if one need to store battery for long time - best storage charge is around 50%.

And these facts are from my personal experience as well...

That was my comment on power design of that hybrid car.

Regarding yours "just let it do the work" thingy - I always prefer "how stuff works" one. :)

EDIT: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schettj:
You miss the point - the charging circuitry is what prevents you from overcharging and overheating your battery, by monitoring the charge level as it charges, and then cutting off power to the battery when fully charged.

All accomplished quite effectively for half a decade or more with modern off the shelf charging systems.

In other words, you'd have to be pretty dumb to give a consumer a battery-based device that cooked itself to death unless the consumer carefully unplugged it every time it was "full".

Next time you charge yours overnight, note how its nice and cool it is (while still plugged in, with a little green LED indicating its not charging anymore)

Really.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Well, I see now... you did not read my previous post where I replied on Toyota Prius charging system design (does not allow deep discharge as well as full charge on a car battery). So that "dumb" charger is increasing lifespan of car's battery that way. That was my point.

And looks like you did not read article URL I've posted with excellent information regarding Lithium-based batteries.

I'm not questioning design of gtablet's charger, in fact I know exactly how this and other computerized chargers work. It's a part of my professional sphere.

You are talking about half decade old off-shelf charger system which should prevent device self-cooking... It's a funny, but about couple years ago Dell recalled some quite a bit of notebook batteries due to fire hazard.

Well, back to the topic: "Keep the battery running longer".

Suggestion #1. (which we can do)

Don't let your 100% charged gtablet stay in a car under sun. Full charge and heat will kill battery in no time.

Suggestion #2. (we can do a very little, it's up to Google engineers)

Design Android OS more efficient way because a consumer wants nothing less than optimal use of the battery capacity.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schettj:
I did read the link, and believe me a $30K car with an expected lifespan of a decade is far different than a $300 tablet with a lifespan of 12-18 months.

Suggestion #3 - just use it, try to avoid deep cycling the battery, and accept that by the time your capacity drops 20%, your now three+ year old device will be ready for inclusion in the computer museum, if you still have it.

I'm really not picking a fight with you - it just seems silly to baby something that's designed to be a no-thought just use it device.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vlad_z:
Btw, good suggestion, avoiding deep cycling will relieve stress on battery...

And I'm not complaining, I've got my tablet to get myself acquainted with Android (maybe develop mobile apps) and clearly can see where Google can make it better.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hando265:
Don't flame me!....I searched, can't find this specific issue for the EVO.

flashed latest cyanogen last night

I got my phone and music bluetooth connection paired, phone works fine, and it actually streams music! the problem is it does not work properly when both phone and music are connected. I disconnect the phone bt, and the music sounds great for a few seconds, then the phone bt reconnects and the music streaming is all broken up,

anyone experience this? any solutions?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hando265:
So, I guess I can unpair the phone when I want to listen to music? that is kind of lame though...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mchlwvr614:
This has happened to me with cm7 recently. Phone randomly keeps connecting while audio is streaming. I haven't looked into it yet but nice to know someone else is seeing this.

Actually for me there is just an interruption while the phone connects. After that the music is fine. But the phone profile shouldn't be randomly reconnecting multiple times to begin with. I have the motorola t605.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4 Door Skyline:
Same here, haven't tried disconnecting the phone audio yet. Regardless its definitely an issue

Sent from my Ginger ***** Supersonic
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hando265:
any settings you adjusted/tweaked?

I was considering a tablet, lol... sprints plans suck for the tablet though.
[Optimus 7 General] ichnusas:
hi i am Italian boy. as I can change ringstone personalized for sms on mine lg optimus7.

thanks