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[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
What's hilarious is that someone starts a thread like this, then some WP7 denizens wonder why there is "negativity" about WP7. What is the OP even saying? Such valuable information that will surely help someone out, the forums are better for it that's for sure. Pretty sad actually.

as per the topic (whatever it actually is), the problem with the WP7 UI is that it can't be changed. So you either love Metro forever, or you best get a phone where you can theme it a little or at least change the wallpaper. I'm not going to sit here and bash WP7 because even though it is missing essential features that I need as a power-user, it is still a nice OS and I can see that it might be right for some people. For me It's going to be Android, iOS, and WM6.5.x for at least a couple more years till WP7 matures.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That's not true.

That being said, to some people the ability to load a custom rom is an advantage. If you want to "customize" WP7 you're SoL. If you don't like your manufacturer's Andorid skin, but love the hardware (as many Galaxy S users do), it's not hard to load a stock custom ROM on it and get on with your life.

In many cases people don't even need custom roms. They just install something like ADW or LauncherPro and that's good enough for them.

That being said, no software differences will make up for the huge gap in hadware between WP7 and Android phones. The WP7 hardware is just not... attractive... these days. Even normal consumers are asking about specs these days, because the tech press and even the normal press have been conditioning them to expect these things to improve over time, not drop back (as WP7 has... going from late 2010 hardware to late 2009 hardware if you "upgraded" from Android to WP7).

Another thing Anddoid has going for it is Apps. AmEx just came out with Serve.com and there's only an App for iOS and Android, for example. No WhatsApp for WP7. No Trillian for WP7. RIM is supposed to be releasing BBM for iOS and Android. There are tons of apps that either aren't available for WP7, or will never be available in the forseeable future due to API lockdown by Microsoft.

It's a terrible platform for an App-o-holic and moving form Android to WP7 I find myself carrying around both phones pretty much 100% of the time because there are lots of apps that simply aren't available on WP7. There still isn't an IM client. No HTML5 browser. No SP-to-SP messaging app, no Turn-by-Turn Navigation, still cannot attach videos to MMS or Email, etc.

Like I said in another thread. Looks only get you so far. A dumb blond may be hot as hell, but she's still dumb.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
but then this leads to the question, what do you want to change? besides putting background image and font changing, much of the wp7 is extremely theme friendly. Now, granted, haven't found a way to change the square tiles but even then that's a wip...

And even with the tile shape not being able to be changed, there are plenty of options to create something amazing
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The size of the tiles? Make the App List a a grid instead of a list?

Change the default search provider in the browser?

Lower the touchscreen sensitivity and/or threshold for panning so that moving my finger 1 millimeter won't make the phone switch panes.

A lot of stuff people would want to change are impossible becuase Microsoft has crafted the OS in such a way that even skilled developers cannot compete with their stock apps (better browsers, other music players, better email clients (with conversation view and unified inbox, e.g.).
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
The best UX in the world can't satisfy every geek on the planet. Just remember that. For those who don't like WP7 UIs, they probably already jump to Android.

Believe it or not, there are still many liked old school Windows Mobile Home screens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
See above comments
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Not good enough.

Some of those hacks require editing the register on both the computer and the phone, which is not acceptable to me.

And things like changing the default browser search should not require a hack.

Provide me with the location of these options in the Settings app, cause what you wrote is pretty laughable.

No one cares what Apple did, or how long it took them to do it. Microsoft is competing against iOS 4.3.1 and Android 2.3.3 on smartphoncs. Not iOS 1.5 and Android 0.9, and it's certainly not 2008/2009...

Time is money. The longer I sit here waiting with denial, the more my phone's value depreciates should I choose to sell it and get a better Android phone instead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
N8ter, what are you waiting for? Go ahead and sell it, why torture yourself with something you dislike so much, something that doesn't do what you need, when there's Android that you seem to like, where updates are fast, UI can be anything, and I forgot what else you liked there?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jan123456789012:
HELLLOOOOO?!!??!??! SUPER MUTHAFCKIN SPEED ... THUAA... I have just tried android on desire hd and realised I hate android. I dont care about apps.

P.S woops I replied to the 1st page :dDD
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Anyone got a link to the emulator?

Google is apparently not my friend...
[Windows Phone 7 General] foxbat121:
You can get emulators directly from Android SDK: http://developer.android.com

Mind you:

1. It is a very bland Android implementation.

2. A lot of features are non-existent. OEMs need to have their own software stack to fill the void.

3. Quite slow
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Template response form a template troll... Save yourself the time and grief... Just don't read or respond to my posts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
While Android and iOS beat WP7 in customization, I find that WP7 generally does eveything I need or want in a simpler and better looking way. I do think the OS needs updates, but it is a phone... not a toy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'm asking seriously. You are rather emotional, seem frustrated and all that - why don't you get an Android device which, according to what you say, is better?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I have an HD2, a Vibrant, and an HD7.

What do I need to get. I carry my HD7 and Vibrant everywhere I go.

My conclusions come from real-world experience using the two side by side on a daily basis quite heavily.

I don't need to get anything I'm posting about. I already have them.

WP7 is a lot less function in a better looking package. That's it, and that's pretty much all I've been saying all along.

Yes, it looks good, but beyond the aesthetics there really isn't much there.

People Hub is done on the Vibrant via Samsung's Social Hub, and Live Tiles are overrated. Google does Push Notifications better and there are a better VARIETY of apps of high quality on Android than on WP7 (some apps are impossible to port to WP7 due to the lack of APIs and how the system is locked down i.e. WhatsApp).

It's pretty easy to understand.

No when I mention something I have some idiot (not you) tell me to edit my phone and PC registry to do trivial stuff like putting ringtones on a phone, changing the default search in the browser, or changing the tile sizes (which, for all I know, won't automatically make them 3 on a row, it will just leave me with a ton of wasted screen real-estate...).

Perhaps if more people would stop making excuses for the platform and get on Microsoft's case they wouldn't be content telling us to wait a year for a mentionable feature update... Nevermind the amount of bugs that still exist even after NoDo...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I hate to push anyone away from WP7 but I have to agree... apparently the only selling point is the zune HD function to him... Certainly not enough to purchase a phone over.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Oh, I see, thanks for answering. I just can't understand why you're so emotional about this. And why are you carrying HD7 everywhere you go if you don't like it, if you don't mind my asking?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
I see 3 tiers for smartphones:

Tier 1 (God Tier) = iPhone

Tier 2 (Geek Tier) = Android

Tier 3 (Budget Tier) = WP7

If Microsoft can manage to keep all of it's devices under $50 with upgrade, it will rule the budget smartphone market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yes, because every other function is done equivalently if not better on other OSes and other OSes offer better apps, better games, a better variety of apps, and even the possibility for skilled developers to fill in the void and write the apps they need themselves.

My conclusions are comparative, and you are really trying to make it seem like I just thought about it for five minutes instead of spend months using both my Android and WP7 side-by-side on a daily basis...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I'm not emotional - frustrated, maybe. I think those people who are less able to just go out right now and buy a new phone are a bit more emotionally invested in this platform than I am. I have never started a thread in this forum, much less a "We love Microsoft, let them know" thread like that other fanboi...

And I carry it everywhere because of the Media functions. Android doesn't sync with Zune, and what I do requires me to have my music with me everywhere.

Also, you cannot make a decent comparison between smartphone platforms unless you use both equally in the same types of situations.

To be frank and honest, the 2 weeks T-Mobile gives you to try a phone out isn't even long enough to make a decent conclusion on the quality of a smartphone or smartphone OS.

I'm not hard on cash. Whenever I choose to, I can simply ETF the account and/or get a new phone.

Thanks for asking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] becknise:
Do you realise WP7 is less than a year old. Yes android has a massive loads of apps but truth is 80% are ****ty apps. Just so you know i moved from an android phone to WP7 and i can tell my android (sony xperia x10) is currently packing the dust somewhere in my room. So yes the blonde might be hot but dumb; thing is i love the blonde still. If you don't like it don't use it then.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Used android for 2 years, after getting my WP7 devices I feel like slamming my face into the desk each time my mom asks me to flash a new rom for her... it's depressingly bad. It does all the features and more, yes but it does them all in a terribly mediocre fashion. As for iOS I know it does everything well aside from the ugly UI but I'll take hardware selection over a miniscule screen. I just find it comical that you complain about lag and such on WP7 when you profess android...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Your conclusions are also normally biased (which is human and normal). It's like comparing Skydrive to Dropbox. One may say that the former is a complete win because it has 25GB vs 2GB, and another person will say that Skydrive totally sucks because it's difficult to use, slow and messy. Depending on what you value more, you'll make your choice. The problem is that the statement that "Skydrive has everything that Dropbox has" is plain wrong because it's only true about the feature list, not the overall user experience. That experience thing is much more difficult to enumerate and quantify, and one may not bother. I know there are people who are perfectly happy with Android experience-wise (not all its users are). So to them WP7 may indeed be a weird phenomenon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Thank you captain obvious? Apps not being ported over have nothing to do with how old the OS is.

WhatsApp wanted to port their apps over, but Microsoft will not open up the Contacts integration so that they could actually do it.

I don't care about themes, wallpapers, launchers. I have < 20 apps installed on my Android phone because I actually have to get work done, not sit around all day playing games and giggling on Twitter or Facebook.

There are major apps from major players that aren't ported over. Do you really think I want to use third-party applications for Banking/PayPal, Accessing Airline Services, and things of that nature? No. Hell No.

I don't even like using third party applications for IM Services and Email Accounts unless they are written by a known, respectable entity.

It's not about the number of Apps. It's the Quality of Apps and the existence of decent apps for common services which exist on BB/Android/iOS/Symbian, but not WP7.

WP7 isn't a phenomenon. Dunno why you'd use such an odd choice of words.
[Windows Phone 7 General] becknise:
Common be a good child and give your mom the best gift, yes, your WP7 phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
That depends. I installed WP7 on my HD2 which I keep for tests and tinkering (more often I put Android on it). While I was positive about WP7 I thought that I'd postpone my purchase. But after using it for two days I decided to go for a real device. Funnily the more I use it the more I like it, and the UI doesn't "wear off" at all. So to each his own.

I prefer to change phones as fast as something interesting appears, all my phones are unlocked/unsibsidized, and I don't think about changing platforms as "switching" - there's almost zero barrier to defecting, the $0.99 apps certainly aren't. WP7, however, is the first platform that doesn't create a desire to find something different. Go figure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
How mature, I own every U.S. released WP7 device and my wife owns a focus and a DVP, my mom did not want WP7 solely because she's an angry birds addict though she did not want to give the phone up after using it (this was upon it's initial release)
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
she needs an iPhone 4 bro
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Her big gripe with android is the jumbled mess of a UI, thats why she liked WP7... I'm pretty sure she'd think the same of the iphone... that and she doesnt want to go smaller than her vibrant or MT4g screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
yeah you do downgrade screen size.

If UI is a problem but she wants the Android experience (apps and stuff) you could actually load a MIUI rom on her Vibrant or MT4G, she's love that cuz it's basically Android running an iPhone UI.

or if you meant she doesn't like iOS UI you could load up a WP7 theme via launcher pro on the vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
She hates android too... just tied down by a crazed addiction to Angry Birds.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
I own both Captivate and Focus. For most of the time my SIM is in Focus.

Just for 1 simple reason, WP7 gives me batter battery life while doing same work.

Still MS started late in the OS game, but I can wait.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
she griped about a jumbled mess for a UI ? i hear this argument from folks, but really don't understand what they're refering to:

icon interactions ?

window transitions ?

multiple desktops ?

unless you use the search for each time you open an application, a grid of icons representing programs the user scrolls through makes sense to me.

clarify ?

oh, yes, and angry birds is a perfectly acceptable excuse to throw -any- phone in a ditch and buy a different one. i'm completely with you there. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] bennyj71:
Why don't you load up Chick's n Vixens on your phone let her try that our?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The only bad thing about the Android UI are the Look-and-Feel of the UI controls used and the general sluggishness on some devices *not all, but some*

I think most users here are incapable of dicerning UI lag from Device Lag, TBQH.

Aside from that, it's not bad.

Actually, after using WP7 a lot, the Android UI isn't that bad. I tend to use my Vibrant when I'm sitting in the house most times, and I use my HD7 when I'm out and about - mostly for the ZuneHD functionality, mostly. However, I always have my Vibrant with me as well... I tend to make calls with my Vibrant. It has 2x the reception and call quality of the HD7, and the speakers are 3x better.

Android Apps tend to look and perform better, and with WP7 being such a poor platform for "Communicators" and people who have to get real work done (worse reception/call quality, worse SMS/MMS, no good IM Clients, email client worse than the gmail app, can't manage files on the device, People Hub is a Samsung Social Hub rip-off, etc.), I can't see it really replacing my Android device, but it's a nice compliment since it makes a better PMP at least for music (codec support is terrible compared to Galaxy S).
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
It seems unfair to say Live Tiles are overrated.

iPhone user to Android User: "Home Screens and Widgets are overrated."

It is like college sports. Yea, that team just beat mine but they are overrated.

Lives Tile = good blend of a widget and an icon. Saying something is overrated really does not say anything at all. It just says it is not as good as the next person thinks it is and what does that exactly mean?

It is without question the best grid layout navigational object out there on phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It wasn't out at the time and she's one of those types that if it's not brand name she doesn't want it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Like a lot of people who switched she appreciated a minimalist screen (I for one had pretty much nothing on the desktop on android) and after looking at it she wanted what I had, a clean, smooth, lag-free, and user friendly UI experience. Then there was netflix, she still calls me at least once a week and asks if they're adding netflix to her device or if there's any way to hack the phone and add it in. She loves having good office integration and loves the metro interface on even most third-party apps. She's envious of WP7 but literally turns away solely because she needs her Angry Birds fix which is remarkably stupid but 100% true.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cbebop7:
well Angry birds is coming to WP7 in april with Xbox Live achievements.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
Wait wait wait...so you glorify Android for being "customizable, with different ROMs" (a PITA) as an alternative to dealing with a boring stock ROM, yet demonize WP7 for requiring hacks to change some minor things? Bahahaha wow. The power of the mind never ceases to amaze me :rolleyes:

And your hardware argument is lame. Let me go out and buy a slow Android phone with the latest dual core processor just so I can say it has a dual core (even though it lags)! You must deal with a lot of ignorant sheep who go with the current fads (of which Android is a part of). WP7 and Android are like Windows 7 and Vista. Windows 7 runs flawlessly even on low end PCs, whereas Vista runs like s**t even on high-end PCs. The apps...ahh, how could you not bring that up...like comparing a veteran boxer's fight record with a young up and coming boxer's record. Fair fight!
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
I'm truly amazed at how people are entertained by such a stupid game as Angry Birds...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
id say more like Android is windows me but the point is still there. I don't much like angry birds either but my moms tech-retarded.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
how the hell is this thread still open?

the same arguments have been exhausted over and over again.

Just from the OP this thing should have been shut-down.

I have an idea, let's use 10 more pages saying how awesome WP7 is because of the smooth UI and speed and blah blah and let's counter that with all the missing features, I'm sure something good will come of it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
It is amusing though.

IOS sucks

WP7 sucks

Android sucks

Blackberry sucks

WebOS sucks

I'm played with a flip phone on a emulator and I love it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Live Tiles are overrated because they are non-functional a factorable portion of the time and Microsoft's Push Notifications are volatile.

Also, there is a limit on the number of Live Tiles you can have on your home screen which can and probably will cause issues when more applications attempt to use them. There's also a limit on the number of apps that can utilize Push on the phone as well, IIRC.

You may not think it's fair, but whatever. Opinions are like assholes.

They're a bit of a gimmick.

Android widgets, aside from a few stock and 3rd party widgets are overrated as well, and since so many widgets poll for data in many cases they do nothing but drain your battery for no real benefit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Read what I wrote and look at the specific way I state it. To some people, the ability to customize Android by changing ROMs out is a benefit. It means they can get top of the line hardware, wait a bit, and then replace the ill-optimized stock code with an optimized custom ROM (which recieves more support than the stock software). I've never ROM-hopped on any of my phones, because it's not worth my time. I tend to use a specific/limited number of apps for specific purposes and I depend on my phone as a work device as well. I can't risk putting an unstable non-official-supported warranty-voiding firmware on my device.

Vista doesn't run like **** on high end PCs. I had it on a P4 with 2GB DDR400 RAM and it ran like a champ for years until I upgraded that same PC to Windows 7.

If Vista ran like **** on your computer (especially post SP1), then the issue was not Vista. And you should stop reading Tech Press FUD.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android General] Sebastian55129:
Helpfull to see fast which Android version, system.ext2, etc running ?!

(German Blog)

h**p://www lgblog de/2011/03/29/wertvolle-informationen-fuer-den-support-navigon-system-check-fuer-android/

Market -> "navigon system check"

greeting

Sebastian
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] jcase:
https://market.android.com/details?id=net.andirc.lteonfoff

Lazy man shortcut, just plain and simple.

Same as all the toggles/switches currently on market. Just smaller, and free.

Freely distribute.
[Vibrant General] ipeench:
I dunno, must just be me but I completely love this phone.

I'm going to be soon getting either the 4g FFC or the revision 2 FFC. Have not completely decided yet. ( I already have v1 of the FFC and I'm fine with how it acts... I don't often take pictures in the dark, ha.)

With the v1 FFC and bionix 1.3.1 with overstock. The phone is very responsive.. I do get a slight lag in between downloading and installing stages of getting apps, but that's far from the end of the world for me.

Besides that this phone is honestly perfect! I don't know what more I could want from a phone, haha.
[Vibrant General] muathib:
I have the exact same setup you do, and the exact same experience. Aside from the GPS hiccups, this is quite possibly the best phone I've used. SAMoled is simply amazing and will keep me from switching phones when all the dual-cores come out. Plus, I know it's a small difference, but 4.3" just seems too big. My buddy has a droid x, and that thing is a monster!
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
I love my vibrant had it since release....
[Vibrant General] oka1:
Waiting for the S2, other than that this phone has been GREAT !!
[Vibrant General] ipetloudog:
I love my phone. It really is wonderful.

samsung can eat a ____.
[Vibrant General] ngiordano:
This is definitely a great phone with tons of possibilities.
[Vibrant General] nomadrider123:
A solid gps :( and a flash for the camera :rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] jRi0T68:
I never have gps problems, lag, or any of the usual things people complain about. I do not feel it's cheaply made, and it's a perfect size in an otterbox.

The only areas of improvement I can see are an FFC (which can be added), 4G capabilities, camera flash, and tweaking it more. A phone can never be too fast or too good on battery life.

The biggest thing that needs improving is the speed at getting updates and source from Samsung.
[Vibrant General] |Melvin|:
i love does big things bro but i love my vibrant
[Vibrant General] xriderx66:
I want mine to do my chores