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[G Tablet General] dr4stic:
Motorola isn't the only company there with Honeycomb on their upcoming tablets, don't forget that LG's tablets are coming out with it too (in less than a month I might add), as well as Samsung.

I imagine they want to keep the damage down because they want to have the same unifiable experience from tablet to phone. I imagine they want to ultimately have a solid set of API's for apps across all devices. This is something that would be a bit difficult if phones started popping up with API's they aren't supposed to have.

I do believe that the claim that they don't want devs putting it on phones before it's ready... is total and complete BS. That doesn't make sense. I don't think the general public, including hard core enthusiasts, would sacrifice the user experience that a phone-centric release brings simply to have the latest and greatest release on a device that wasn't meant for it. Gingerbread is obviously better for phones than HC is, and nothing will change that, at least for now... not even the intrepid devs on XDA :-)

I think Google is doing themselves a serious bit of disservice by taking the stand they're taking. They built this particular empire on the devs and they should allow the devs access to the goods so they can do what they need to do.

As for the idea that Moto would lose business because of this? I doubt it. If you want 3/4G built in, you're getting a Moto regardless of whatever else is available. And the reason I would go with Moto over something like the gTablet was the overall quality of the product. It's got higher res, better screen, more RAM and more storage. Anyone can swap a ROM, but noone has yet earnestly hardware modded one of these devices in a way that would truly be a threat to the Xoom. Is the Xoom overpriced? for sure. But I think that'll get better as the competition mounts. When the Xoom goes on sale for $480 in a few months, I'm getting one.
[G Tablet General] KMaren:
I am going with this is a reward to Motorola for being the first to put it out on Xoom. Motorola is still waiting for a few of there exclusives to end and be able to get it into retailers like Staples. I would bet this delay is so Motorola can continue to be the only retail Tablet with HC for a little while longer. Once the LG and Samsung Tablet come out with HC then the source code will be released. Non of this is a surprise to me at all.
[G Tablet General] Tester30:
Motorola is not exclusive HC user anymore. ASUS is coming with their tab running 3.0.

http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=13723
[G Tablet General] jccrumpler:
i'm in. lets do it
[G Tablet General] anticipation:
WHY GOOGLE IS NOT RELEASING the source code ?

1. Xoom the only honeycomb device has superior hardware and software (android 3.0)

2. Tremendous efforts have been put to develop and market the product (Both Xoom and the honeycomb)

3. Unfortunately Xoom product is eclipsed with the phenomenal success of ipad 2, though many people feel that the xoom's hardware and software is far superior than ipad2

4. Sales of Xoom have fallen ever since ipad2 has been launched and they dont want cheaper devices like gtablet port the honeycomb, which if true would further slow down the sales of xoom- supposedly google's flagship for honeycomb

5. Remember y'day more than 10,000 gtablets were sold on woot, if at all honeycomb porting was easy and made available, wouldn't be surprised to see 100k sales for $289, where as Xoom is struggling with the pricing ($599)

This is my line of reasoning. Counter opinions welcome for healthy debate. :)
[G Tablet General] jccrumpler:
Cheaper is such a harsh word for the G Tab, i would say "Less expensive"
[G Tablet General] cheapskate88:
This is why I'm even more disappointed with Google's announcement. I specifically purchased the grab this week on woot because I figured that Id have HC up and running with the next two months... now I just have a oversized phone (without the phone) that won't ever be upgraded by the manufacturer or the devs ... I should have just saved the cash for a proper HC tablet this summer.

Very disappointed.

From my CM powered Evo
[G Tablet General] lordgodgeneral:
I have both a G tab and a Xoom, and frankly I'd like to see someone name one thing that you can do with the Xoom that you can't do with the G tab.

Its not an "oversized phone", if you were to put a stock launcher on a xoom (ADW or LP) most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the UI's.

I'm glad google's waiting to iron out the bugs, the no support for SD cards makes it a no go for me.
[G Tablet General] arnott007:
source: pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382562,00.asp

Google's Honeycomb Tablet Strategy Evolving

how is Gingerbread on the gTablet ? waiting for my woot order.
[G Tablet General] cheapskate88:
1) Google Video chat

2) Why on earth would you replace the stock launcher on HC? The contextual launcher is one of the biggest draws to HC.

3) Is the SD issue a bug or a feature? Regardless, the way I've been reading their announcement, it sounds like they want to prevent HC on phones, not squash the bugs in HC. Bug squashing is always happening whether the source is released or not.

From my CM powered Evo
[G Tablet General] pr0cs:
You're probably right on a lot of counts there.

I also think through that Honeycomb just isn't ready for mass release either. IMO they're using the hardcore early adopters on the Xoom to find out what works, what doesn't. I suspect that HC in it's current state just isn't finished and they may not have decided on the particular direction or the state it's in and the merge to the 'I' version of Android is posing difficult.

To be honest I'd rather them release something finished than something half-assed and clunky. It's disappointing that it may mean that we will never see HC on the gTab but their true successor to HC will likely work on the gTab so I don't see it hurts the gTab at all.

I guess we'll see when the other HC enabled devices come out (Samsung/Asus, et al) if HC is getting more stable and more focused or if they too have a lot of the issues that the Xoom version is seeing.
[G Tablet General] anticipation:
You can sell it online. Maybe even make some small change as profit by selling it. There are many like me who missed the woot deal. If u dont find a buyer, let me know i'm keen on buying one at $285 inclusive shipping :)
[G Tablet General] cheapskate88:
And that's what I'll most likely do. A real shame. As long as I make back what I paid for it, I'll be happy.

I'll definitely keep you in mind when it finally gets here!

From my CM powered Evo
[G Tablet General] INDIANAJONNY:
Can't our amazing devs get HC to work without the source? I know it's more difficult, but they got HC on the nookcolor without the code.

Indianajonny, adventuring into the perils of Evo.
[G Tablet General] TheFlyingPig:
I think they have gone away from that quite awhile ago. They are approaching the evil extreme at high speed. As much as I pity Nokia for their choice, I'm relieved that google will be kept in check in some way. I really hope google would reverse that course.
[G Tablet General] TheFlyingPig:
Where did you get the sales volume?
[G Tablet General] TheFlyingPig:
That's Google's EVIL plan. They don't make money off the devices directly, but they are trying to throw their precious partners a bone. That leaves the step child partners....or in this case, non-partner to suffer. The real losers are just us. You really can't blame them. It's just business. It's just business to be evil.

Personally, I think it was their mistake to call it Android 3.0 in the first place.

The should have called it Tabroid 1.0 or something with a code name created from a different track (e.g. planet names?)

You can't stop developers from porting it to the phones, after all, this is what makes android successful in the first place. I do understand their concerns. Once a new perception is created about incompatible UI, it's hard to correct. But if it was named properly in the first place where anyone looking at the tablet UI on a phone knows it's weird because someone hacked it for no good reason, then google would have saved themselves from 1. defending the platform 2. correcting a perception 3. turning their back on the developers who made them rich
[G Tablet General] TheFlyingPig:
Duh, I see it now.

Current numbers (updated each minute)

First sucker: surgence

Speed to first woot: 1m 9.343s

Last wooter to woot: ChuongDo

Last purchase time: 11:59:49 PM Central Time

Order pace: 0m 8.265s

Woot wage: $175,024.00

Woots sold: 10452

That's some amazing volume for one day.
[G Tablet General] Da_Sheezy:
It's bull****

I refuse to believe such nonsense... HC will find its way onto a GTab eventually... this I'm sure...

OK... I'm truly not sure of any of this, but its what I need to say to sleep soundly at night with my GTab under my pillow.
[G Tablet General] fierogt5spd:
I bet they will release it in the next month or so. Especially if there is a lot of backlash from the community. Sucks to wait though.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madflasher:
In the Seattle area the best I get is around under 8m up 1m down average around 3-4m down. how come the Thunderbolt speeds are ridiculously faster?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=996183&highlight=speed 30m+ uploads wtf?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Noxious Ninja:
Different wireless technologies?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k2buckley:
Nothing about the thunderbolt's 4g and the Evo's 4g are the same, except for the name. Two completely different technologies. The Evo uses Sprint/Clear's Wimax system, only capable of so much. The thunderbolt uses LTE, which is a completely different ball game. That's why you see all these thread's around talking about if Sprint is going to make the switch to LTE.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madflasher:
Does anyone know if sprint plans on stepping it up?

Went to the Vz store to try the TB thought I was on wifi. Checked. It was 4g. Makes wimax look like **** lol... Like EVO2, IF Vz gets a TB2.. Bye bye sprint.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smurph82:
I've read of rumors that Sprint, even though they own the controlling share of Clearwire, have already started test LTE on there towers. Technically Sprint already own the frequency range that LTE falls in so it would be a matter of them just setting up the network. It would still be 2012 -> 2013 before it would roll out but if they want to stay in this wireless game then they will have to move to LTE.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tempest111:
Those upload speeds for the thunderbolt aren't accurate btw. Its a known issue with the phone. But yea, LTE is better than Wimax.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyArmstrong:
Also remember, VZW's LTE has like 2 users in Seattle.

Part of it is technology, yes, but the other part is that there's probably virtually no traffic on their LTE spectrum right now.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snowboarda42:
+1, since almost everyone who doesn't own an iPhart in seattle owns an evo, sprints wimax lags due to the heavy volume. Try your 4g late at night, it is notably faster.

Sent from my hand with XDA Premium installed
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TonyArmstrong:
Also, it's interesting to note that maximum data-rate with WiMAX is actually (in theory) 20-30% faster than LTE.

The question is one of load per cell, and implementation. VZW says that their "loaded" LTE net will support 5-12Mbps depending on distance from the tower.

One has to wonder, if Clear hadn't spent money on trying to build a retail presence instead of doing more tower build out and optimizing its network for backhaul and QOS to handsets and dongles, what would our WiMAX 4G speeds be like...
[Nook Color General] KDOG2020:
I've seen these simple USB GPS receiver antennas that hook to a laptop for GPS duties so naturally I'm thinking why can't this be done for the nook. Ideally we would have a dual/split port so power could still be supplied at the same time.

I'd rather have this config since I don't like the idea of tethering to a GPS capable cell for privacy reasons and it ties up the cell too.

Why couldn't this be possible? Is it just a matter of the Nook recognizing the GPS antenna and being able to get a software package to recognize it?

Any ideas?
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
With CM7, and a bluetooth GPS reciever, this is no problem. We will never be able to build a GPS into the device, but we can get close enough...
[Nook Color General] KDOG2020:
Yes, my intention would be to leave the GPS antenna in the vehicle and just hook up when I get in. Along with MP3 duties of course. It shouldn't be hard to find or make a USB gender changer with dual connections.
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
Im not following, sorry.

I just ordered a "kit" for my NC actually - a car window mount, and a stand-alone BT GPS. I plan on attaching the the GPS to the window mount via velcro, and leave it in the car. You don't need USB at all (nor would it work, since our nook does not currently support usb host). Just get a BT module, and leave it in the car; connect it to the nook when you need it. done.
[Nook Color General] KDOG2020:
Ok I see what your saying. But Im not familiar with Bluetooth recievers. Are we talking about just a regular GPS with a screen and all? Then why hook it up to the nook? Or are we talking about a little box that just sits on the dash or tucked away somewhere?
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
Ah, let me fill ya in then. :)

What i am talking about are standalone recievers - nothing more than a GPS and BT transmitter. No screen, no frills. Most have batteries that will last for weeks, and are small enough to store anywhere in the car when not in use. YOu can see a good selection here:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...eiver&keywords=bluetooth+gps+receiver&ie=UTF8

Hope that may give you some new ideas. ;)
[Nook Color General] KDOG2020:
Aaaahhhh..... yes I see now. So it would be just a matter of finding one thats compatible with our NC's and the software for it... cool. Anyway to know which one works the best for the Nook?
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
Now, i guess i cannot guarantee, but in theory, ANY BT gps should work with our system, since all GPS's transmit in the same standard. All you should need for software on the nook will be:

https://market.android.com/details?id=de.mobilej.btgps&feature=search_result

or

https://market.android.com/details?id=googoo.android.btgps&feature=related_apps

Assuming my GPS arrives sometime soon, i will be able to give ya some first hand advice. :)
[Nook Color General] colorado_al:
You will still need a data connection if you intend to use Google Maps for your GPS software.

If you want to use it without a data connection, you will need something like this:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.alk.copilot.market.usa&feature=search_result

"maps stored on your phone, not downloaded"

Also note, Bluetooth range is very limited on the NC. My BT GPS has to be within 2 feet of the NC to connect.
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
That is true, a stand alone program is the best, but google will cache the maps if you pre-plan the route.

As for distance - with a car mounted GPS< you really don't need to worry about that - the GPS should be by the windshield anyway, so keeping it close to the nook isn't an issue..
[Nook Color General] KDOG2020:
What about this Google "Navigation" program that is on the nook? (the blue arrow)
[Nook Color General] FrayAdjacent:
You'd still need a data connection. The best probable solution would be to tether to a smartphone that has GPS - so the Nook has a data connection for the Google Maps and Navigation, and GPS data from the phone's GPS.
[Nook Color General] rogerdugans:
I was interested in the same thing and went so far as to successfully pair my Garmin bluetooth gps unit with my CM7 nook, but I was not able to actually read any gps data. (This unit was successfully used with a linux laptop and car computer, so it works in linux.)

While looking for a way (hack or software) to read the gps data I found the TetherGPS app, which meets my needs- and yes, I have received phone calls and browsed the web on the phone while using nav on the nook without problems. :)

The biggest issue I have found in the past and NOW is that I do not think much of the other gps nav options available on Android (or linux!) and caching a limited tileset with Google maps is not enough for my needs. My routes often change.

I do have another bluetooth puck around, if I can find it... I will test to see if that one is easier for the Nook to read data from.
[Nook Color General] colorado_al:
It will pair, but you need to use an intermediary program to access the GPS, like this one:

https://market.android.com/details?id=googoo.android.btgps&feature=related_apps

or this one:

https://market.android.com/details?id=de.mobilej.btgps&feature=search_result

or this:

https://market.android.com/details?...oid.addon.bluetooth.GPS&feature=search_result
[Nook Color General] chisleu:
I had trouble with some GPS apps.

I was able to use the GPS and data access on my Motorola Cliq to have GPS voice guided navigation.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12076390

That is how I accomplished it.

If you have a hardware GPS, then you only need the 1 app, which is even easier, but I still recommend wifitether or barnicle for data access (you can download the maps for offline use if you plan ahead.)
[Nook Color General] rogerdugans:
I actually tried those apps to no avail, which is why I started looking for the other puck (not as accurate but easier to connect) and alternative solutions.

I actually had looked at all of the other (non- Google) nav apps for Android before to use with a now unused Droid (original) but found them all to be ... less than desirable for various reasons.

Note that I am NOT trying to discourage this project- it is possible, I am certain, but much like linux navigation software... lacking a certain "polish" if not functionality.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] fireboi:
Need help I put Magldr v1.12 when I try to run DWI.exe my pc says usb failed. Is there anything I can do?:confused:
[Nexus S Accessories] Ploone:
Fun read, really liked the way you laid stuff out. You weren't assuming, I am getting the case in soon and will have a video for everyone else :p
[Nexus S Accessories] sWirL:
Thanks for the review! Can't wait for my Rearth cases to arrive!
[Nexus S Accessories] Vulpix:
I tried looking through the screen protector thread but I can't find your picture with the case and SP. Is there some other SP thread that you posted in?
[Nexus S Accessories] sWirL:
It's here: :D

http://img847.imageshack.us/i/93825237.jpg/
[Nexus S Accessories] peeturr:
About to pull the trigger on this.
[Nexus S Accessories] suksit:
Interesting! Also the screen protector looks better than Clarivue's -- at least it has custom holes for speaker and camera. :)
[Nexus S Accessories] DKYang:
Thanks. :) I rather read reviews in outline style than paragraphs which is why I did it this way. Looking forward to your video too. I'll post a link whenever you have it up on the first post.

My bad. The one picture I have doesn't show it too well, but it's similar to the Martin Fields one (not Clarivue, my bad).

Here's the link: http://hemorrdroids.net/martin-fields-nexus-s-screen-protector/

Very similar. Basically, the protector doesn't touch the edge of all four sides of the screen. The top and bottom sides are more noticeable than the left and right sides. Remember, the screen protector was probably made this way because of the contour display of the phone. My cheap ones were not sticking on the top or bottom parts of the screen.

Does it look like that on the picture? *Looks back* I guess it sort of does, probably because of the flash from the camera, but the screen protector from Rearth doesn't have any holes except for the head/ear speaker piece thing (forgot what it's called). FFC still looks fine though through the camera app.
[Nexus S Accessories] peeturr:
Just received my case, and wanted to post some feedback. I had ordered the special deal (audio plugs, screen protector) in black color, which looks amazing on the Nexus S. Most of my feedback really just reaffirms the OP's review.

[Pros]

- amazing detail (The outer carvings as well as trim for the buttons are meticulously crafted. It really differentiates the case from all other options. )

- perfect fit

- little to no bulk (adds the right amount of weight, and thickness to make the phone much more enjoyable to hold and less likely to slip)

- very nice button feedback

- audio plugs add a nice color touch to the phone

[Cons]

- no cons regarding the case

- screen protector included in the package falls short on the top and bottom edges *most likely due to the contour design

Overall, best case I've seen which doesn't hinder the phone's aesthetics or risk scratching the phone (ex. hard cases). A few things I would like to see is possibly more designs with different textures on the backing. The plain matte texture is nice, but I feel that it may easily show signs of wear and tear, through scratches and scuffs, although the functionality isn't compromised. Adding slight texture may also add value to the appearance of the case. Well everyone, that's it. I could add pictures if someone requests. I went with the panda scheme, black case with white audio caps.
[Nexus S Accessories] gondsman:
Do you know if they ship outside of the USA? I'm very tempted to get it...
[Nexus S Accessories] DKYang:
Dunno. Just send them a email and ask.
[Nexus S Accessories] suksit:
Sure, and the shipping rates are very reasonable ($3.99 for First-Class Mail international shipping)
[Nexus S Accessories] adyst:
Thank you OP; great review. Now I want one. All that is stopping me is trying to pick which color.....once I get it, though, I will probably post a video review.
[Nexus S Accessories] doniqcc:
Yes they do
[Nexus S Accessories] noobhero:
please be aware that the fitting on I9023 nexus s is not perfect.
[Nexus S Accessories] lifesaver:
Damn..just ordered mine..could you please tell a little more about the fit?maybe a picture? Thanks
[Nexus S Accessories] noobhero:
At a glance, it seems to fit alright.

But upon close inspection, u'll find that there are linings on the inside of the cases that

Do not sit well into the grooves on the edge of the phone.

All the cut outs works fine, just the wrapping ain't perfect.
[Nexus S Accessories] hamtar0:
theres a video here showing it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1014789
[Nexus S Accessories] lifesaver:
thanks for the quick reply! i think i should live with this..otherwise not much options for other cases..at least the phone gets less slippery!
[Nexus S Accessories] sWirL:
actually on the contrary, I feel the phone is much more slippery to hold with the case on. It's due to the material I guess.
[Nexus S Accessories] codeine23:
Yeah, I wish the reviews had been a little clearer about this point. It's about as slippery in the hand with case on as it is without a case, it definitely is not grippy like normal silicone cases.
[Nexus S Accessories] peeturr:
I would agree that it's not grippy, but I don't think it is slippy in any way. The slight increase in bulk actually helps with not dropping the phone while texting or viewing, at least to me. I guess its depends on the person.
[Nexus S Accessories] DKYang:
It's been fine with me and I don't think it's that slippery compared without having the case. Again, I did say it was my opinion when I was doing the review and you could have asked me questions about it. You can go ahead and make a short review and I'll put a link up in the first post.
[Nexus S Accessories] MatMew:
Just got mine. Nice, matte finish. Great quality, fast shipping. Stoked.
[Nexus S Accessories] codeine23:
i'm not dissatisfied with the case, i think it's well made and the best option i'm aware of. It does reduce sliding on surfaces and in the pocket, theres just something very odd about the texture in the hand, so people shouldnt expect a grippy silicone case.