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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I've seen this argument now 100 times over that you should not consider WP7 or have anything to do with WP7 due entirely to the fact that the hardware is 'last-gen.' Well, I'm standing in the store with my DVP along-side an Atrix and I've been doing some similar and even the same apps and games between the two and the DVP seems to be doing much, much, better. Of course the UI on the DVP is 1000 times smoother regardless of hardware but that's a given due to the lack of a hardware accelerated UI on android. The iphone is smoother in some of the apps due to microsoft's stupid 30 fps... thing but the OS on the DVP is even smoother than the iphone. I have to give the iphone credit though due to it's underclocked nature it's barely beaten by WP7 in terms of UI and smokes WP7 in terms of apps. If the UI wasn't so ugly and the hardware was a little less limited it would be the only valid choice in my opinion. So yeah, just the fact that there are dual-core processors on some android devices doesn't mean anything if it can't properly utilize them. I guess that was the whole point I was trying to make.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
My Motorola Razr is 1000 times faster than your Dell. Your point?

Hardware acceleration is there, its been there for a while. Do some research. You would see the devices wouldn't be useable without it.

Your do know dual cores, do a lot more than make things faster, don't you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
You mad bro?

If anything, you should've talked about the fact that it has nothing to do with dual-cores in general but due to the fact that the Atrix is a mass of poor coding.

You could've also stated that dual cores generally make the phone use less power and be more efficient leading to better battery life.

Instead, I have to ask, what the hell can a RAZR do faster?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Hardware acceleration is there, however the UI is not GPU accelerated which is why android is generally laggy. I've done my research. I'm aware of what dual-cores do but it's supposed to make it faster as a big part and hey... it's not much faster due to the UI itself. I can't even imagine how powerful an iDevice or a WP7 device would be with that under the hood but the only thing that's been selling android for awhile is that their hardware is bigger and badder.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
No, I was attempting a joke. Failed huh?

I could've mentioned a lot of stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
yeah moto basically can't code for ****. Let's compare Apple to Apple.

The iPad 2 runs an A5 dual-core processor whereas the iPad runs an A4 single core, both good processors,

but you can see improvement in speed, fluidity, and general handling of the A5 over the A4 and dual-cores make it possible for higher resolution output (the Evo 3D will output 1080p via HDMI) as well video decoding and things that actually utilize it. The motocrap UI sucks no matter which device is using it I don't care if they put a 6-core i7 in there.

The thing is that WP7 is behind with no front facing camera on any device, and last gen snapdragons. It's just a fact. The iPhone 5 supposedly has the same dual-core A5 with a 4" screen and will SMOKE any WP7 device for at least a year or more.

don't use the worst example to try to compare.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Really think they'd go up to a 4 inch screen... hey, it may be a worthwhile phone then... The size of the processor is entirely null on android though, the UI isnt going to speed up because the coding for android in general just isn't that hot. WP7 is still the smoothest UI out there on a "last-gen" snapdragon. I would like to see a front facing camera considering there were rumors of windows video chat back in January but really the hardware despite being old utilizes the hardware better than android utilizes it's most up-to-date hardware. There will still be no GPU acceleration unless the OEM codes it in themselves on a device to device basis and considering that the OEMs just want to slam device after device to sell as many different devices as possible that's highly unlikely.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
Depends which phone, the moto crap UI sucks, I hate touchwiz, but AOSP is smooth and so is stock sense, I'd put up my CM7 ADW launcher or my Desire ROM against WP7 any day of the week and It's just as smooth.

Android is different in that the manufs have to code their own framework except the Nexus series so it can be hit or miss, WP7 is all MS so yeah you know what you're going to get on any phone, but if you get an Atrix and hate it, you can return it and get an Incite and get a whole new awesome experience with Android on actual 4G.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Eh, I'm sorry, I've tried the latest devices T-mobile had to offer up to the MT4g and regardless of CM or whatever it was still slow in comparison to WP7 and I feel that won't be resolved until the OEMs decide to make the UI GPU accelerated. I still have a G2 and with the latest and greatest roms it still can't compare, nor can my moms MT4g with CM7 on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
matter of opinion then, I compared an MT4G and an HD7 side-by-side and the MSM chip in the MT4G makes a big difference, it was much smoother and lightning fast, so it's just subjective on that point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
To be perfectly honest I haven't been particularly impressed with HTC's WP7 devices... they're slow compared to the other OEMs and choppy... I hate using the HD7 after using the DVP for a few hours. Internally they're pretty much the same and I don't know what the difference is but HTC's general lack of quality shows.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ErikWithNoC:
WP7's smoothness is mainly in the default applications and system software. If you test a lot of apps on WP7 you see that, that smoothness is not truly apparent in most 3rd party apps which is unfortunate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Certainly not in the iphone ports but in a number of the apps built exclusively for WP7it's apparent. I just wish they'd stop being a "We have that too" group instead of innovating.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
way to compare last year's phones to those coming out later this year (rumor is a fall release).

hell, the DS7 has a dualcore processor, does that make it a top tablet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ for the price it does. Mine is super fast and smooth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Well, there aren't many tablets out right now, but I wouldn't say it's tops.

It has a low res screen which really helps it perform better, compared to other tablets and the only other tablet that was out at the time (Galaxy Tab, I'm speaking Google-endorsed tablets) had phone specs with a large screen...

WP7 would have benefitted from using a better SoC at launch because phones are sold mostly on 2 year contracts and, well, a year after release there will be tons of polished Dual Core phones. Also, since all WP7 devices are supposed to get updates future proofing them at least somewhat would have been good for the platform as a whole, and customers obviously.

It will be interesting to see how many updates these launch phones recieve after Mango, IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkavat:
I think dual core is not a big deal. A well managed single core processor is more than enough for a phone... unless you want to run two processor intensive apps. But if you think about it, do you ever run such apps simultaneously? All modern phone OS put an app in hibernation when you switch to some other processor intensive app.

There have been a few different points or comparisons made in this thread. Here are my 2 cents on it.

iPad2 performs so much better than iPad... the majority of the improvement comes from a very good GPU. Apple is very good at using the GPU and thus the difference is obvious. Nevertheless, tablets are very likely to be used to do processor intensive tasks simultaneously. Thus dual core can be utilized to its potential.

The barrage of android phones with dual core.... google's flagship device, Nexus S is single core. Google is going to stay with it for some time. I have been using Nexus One for some time now and I have not come across any instance where I was bogged down because I was running too many simultaneous apps. Sometimes a processor intensive app alone can slow me down, but that is due to android not being able to use my GPU to its full extent.

Thus, I agree with OP. The experience is what matters. Phone is not a PC where comparison can be made by merely comparing the hardware specifications. I think chassis 1 of Windows Phone 7 will get updates for at least 2 more years. Nevertheless, we should be seeing dual core windows phone 7 in early 2012.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
Dual core is not about speed, it's about efficiency. You clearly weren't in the PC evolution era when we went from single core to dual core. Single core was still beating dual core in every benchmark, but the dual core was cooler/used less power/required fewer fans/apps that were "not responding" did not bring your entire system to a halt/etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I'm quite aware of this however speed is not entirely out of the equation. It's not like it's doing any huge favors still as smartphone batteries barely sustain the smartphone and it will likely be that way til we get those new solar-recharging things on the screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkavat:
I agree with you. Dual core brings better power management. I did not sleep through the PC evolution. However, the discussion in these thread repeatedly pointed out advantage of speed. I begged to differ and laid out my arguments.

Nevertheless, I reiterate that unless you have two processor intensive activities running in parallel, you will not see any advantage (including power consumption) of multiple cores. My point is that you hardly do that on a phone.

PS: "apps that were "not responding" did not bring your entire system to a halt" has nothing to do with multiple cores. It's sand-boxing. Only Unix based systems can do that effectively. Windows has been getting better but the kernel does not support all the features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
Lol, lets just agree to disagree.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkavat:
but..but.. it's internet. we are supposed to continue..and eventually take this discussion personal! and get offended! :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryude:
I don't think that benefits anyone, the internet was designed to be a free information highway, once information stops and personal attacks start happening that's when I step away from the conversation. We didn't get to that point, but I could see that information had stopped and it was starting to head towards my dad can beat up your dad type of stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] peacekeeper05:
Dumb thread actually.

We all know a dual core android do everything a lot faster than wp7. It rarely lags, heck i haven't experienced any lag at all. (w/ the exception of atrix cause moto messed up w/ their motoblur). Good trolling though.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
Hi all,

With CM7 i'm enjoying my Milestone like never before. But since it's my first custom ROM, i have some questions though.

1. When returning to the home screen, 9 out of 10 times it reloads and rebuilds completely. How can i avoid this?

2. If it's a memory issue and i want to keep it in memory, how can i accomplish this without the risk of losing other essential apps from memory, like SMS and phone?

3. I read something about priorities for apps, how does this work?

4. Sometimes my device reboots randomly. My CPU is set to 900. Can this be the cause? If so, what's the best CPU speed setting?

So far for now, but i guess i'll be back with some more ;-)

Thanks in advance,

Gerard

The Netherlands
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] MakeW00t:
I'm no expert so someone please correct me if i'm wrong and sorry for all spelling errors.

What version of CM7 are you running? If u'r running RC3 0.08-11.03.16 that homescreen Redraw (problem number 1) should be minor, something like 1 out of 10 times, atleast on my milestone. There is "Keep home in memory" setting in Cyanogenmod settings -> Performance, make sure it's enabled and for the problem number 2 enable "Keep SMS in memory". You shouldn't care much about app priorities cause CM7 memory management is taking care of that pretty well. Random reboot are DSI errors, they are minor in the newest CM7 version but there is no failsafe way to avoid them, if you don't want to chance the kernel, you can read about that in CM7 for milestone thread.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
Thanks, i just can't find the "keep SMS in memory" option?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] MakeW00t:
Then you probably won't have the newest version of CM7. You can find it here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=941346 and flash it just like u flashed it at the first time. Just wipe cache and dalvik cache from open recovery and you will get to keep all your personal settings and files/apps.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
That's the one i have and i already found it. But thanks again!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Caz666:
A few answers of my own:

1) The CPU speed is probably NOT the cause of your reboots, but if you want to be sure, try it for a week. 700 is safer, 550 is default.

2) If it is your CPU overclocking, you may be able to fix it by upping the voltage on your overclock. This will lead to a bit more heat and a bit more battery drain, but should fix the reboots if CPU related

3) I would look at the SUPERCHARGE your Milestone thread about memory management settings. Although Zepps's settings and scripts are meant for tweakers and are probably a tad aggressive if you don't know what you are doing, they did speed up my phone by 200%.

I would recommend installing AutoMemoryManager and using the mild settings if you want to do something less aggressive than the Supercharge scripts...

You will get some of the benefits of the supercharge and a very low risk of apps getting killed by the memory manager.

My 2 cents!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] zeppelinrox:
thanks caz.

I'm pretty sure the new minfree settings that I've been testing out are the best of both worlds... superfast and background friendly.

I hadnt had a chance to update the thread yet and post the new script.

But for those interested, this should really work great... 6, 8, 24, 26, 28, 30.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
Thanks all, i'll look into those things. By reading that is, because i've got a lot to learn!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
Hi all,

I'm still experimenting and impressed by this ROM. Just now I performed a fix permissions to prevent apps from fc. That modified the read & write permissions of all apps. I assumed it couldn't hurt to try, but now I'm wondering what it did exactly. There aren't any noticable changes. Can anyone fill me in?

Thanks,

Gerard
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Lapiduss:
Do you think that is better than FroyoMod??
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
I'm not sure what you mean, but this is my first custom ROM coming from stock Eclair on my first Android device.

So I have no idea which is the best, but I do know that I'm very impressed by CM7. It runs perfectly on my Milestone, so I feel no need whatsoever to try another.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] mikicishte:
Yup, for sure
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Lapiduss:
Can you tell me if the camera & video work well?

My 2 bigs problem with froyomod are the camera that often FC and freeze and the video that are stuttering so much..

I can move to CM7 only if I'm sure that this stuff work well!
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
I can only speak for myself, but I haven't had one single problem so far. Shooting pictures and videos works fluently on my device. I am also not aware of any possible known problems, but maybe others can confirm this.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] twixyz:
ADW Launcher in CM7 RC4.1

Started new thread for a specific question, but i can't delete this post.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meppadua:
Is it possible to get the verizon visual voicemail on CM7?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shawn328:
yea it's possible and actually easy. download root explorer mount rw. go to build. prop and open in text editor. find the line that says.... ro. horizontalvvm= true. change that to flase, let it save, then reboot after that you can download it from the market. Also, you can use this for any rom you run.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meppadua:
Is it false or flase?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shawn328:
LOL false..... my bad.

If I've helped you out.....hit that thank you button.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayej68:
I was a little disappointed at first when I lost the Dinc visual voice mail... Then I found google voice.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] korydak1lla:
Just use Google Voice. In my opinion its better

Sent from my Droid Incredible
[Droid Incredible General] Tommymac1039:
Two days ago there was a post on edify fonts you can change the fonts on your phone does anyone have a link to that post please it was a great post but did a full wipe on my phone and lost it in my book marks thanks
[Droid Incredible General] silverxbv2:
Its in the evo themes section.
[Droid Incredible General] ttran97:
Flashable Fonts:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=801160
[Droid Incredible General] Tommymac1039:
Awesome thanks!
[Droid Incredible General] Tommymac1039:
Thanks a ton
[Droid Incredible General] silverxbv2:
Thanks for posting the link. I couldn't from the app.
[Defy General] shad0wboss:
Well i wanted to ask, when the official 2.2 update comes, would i be able to install it on these 3.x based leaked roms?
[Defy General] zyxwvut:
I was on 3.x based US leaked froyo. Then, when Tmobile released the limited rollout of froyo it did NOT work! Their updates check your system and only installs if your on the last official version. You can edit the updater_script file in their update and bypass all the checks. However when I did this it installed but then the phone got stuck in a bootloop. The method that works for this specific scenario was to edit the updater_script file to bypass system checks, using clockwork mod recovery restore a nandroid of last official version (hopefully you have one or find one), DO NOT RESTART PHONE, while still in clockwork apply the official update.zip (with the edited script file), DO NOT RESTART PHONE, wipe data and reboot.

So I guess the answer to your question is yes and no, It works but only after a little trickery. All the how to's can be found on these forums.
[Windows Mobile Themes] icebrian:
Hello everyone,

I hope this is the correct forum for this but I have a question regarding themes on Windows Mobile 6.5.

Basically I want to get a default Windows Mobile 6.5 Home Screen look exactly like a Windows Mobile 6.1 Today Screen.

Now I don't know if I should try and create (or may-be one already exists) a theme that does this or if there are settings in the registry that I could alter to accomplish this.

Basically I am in need of a push in the right direction... create a theme to do this, download an existing theme or change registry settings?

(I do apologize if this is not the correct forum).

Regards,
[Windows Mobile Themes] redx.czero:
its very easy i guess. . .no need to create any themes to get today screen of 6.1 . . .

just go to settings. . today and then on items tab, deselect 'windows default' and select other items like 'date' 'messaging' etc. . etc and then 'ok'

i think this will do wht u r luking for. . sorry if i m giving wrong solution to ur actual need.
[Windows Mobile Themes] icebrian:
Thanks redx.czero,

I had to lend my phone for a while and can't look into those settings just yet. As soon as I do I will let you know.

Thanks,
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
Here is a theme i put together for salvagemod 1.1 only. It's a big mash up of my favorite themes. I was up very late last night putting this together for me, but i decided to share it with the community.

This will give you new fonts based on myns rom.

1% circle battery mod.

New bootscreen animation.

Honeycomb aosp lockscreen.

A dark/silver/blue theme throughout the rom.

A colored settings menu.

All new notification png's.

Screenshots:

http://img718.imageshack.us/g/snap20110325124818.png/

I cannot just thank one dev for this as i basically frankensteined many themes together for this mod. So i will just say thanks to all on xda.

This will only work on salvagemod, not tested on anything else. You must be running an already unthemed rom before flashing this. Make sure you nandroid before attempting to flash.

Download zip, put on sd card, boot into recovery and flash. No wiping required!

"I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY BRICKED PHONES".... ENJOY!

Download:

http://www.mediafire.com/?u78vyro60o1kw4v
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
Reserved for possible future updates! ;)
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] lithid-cm:
So SalvageMod icon is the CM Icon? Eh... but this isn't a CM rom...
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
if you have another icon you would like me to use, ill be more than happy to update it.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] lithid-cm:
Would this go with the theme?

http://i.imgur.com/6cGKZ.png
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
ill do some searching for a better png and ill update sometime today. didn't mean to upset the salvage team at all. im also working on a black themed market.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
updated with new settings apk as requested by the salvage team.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] lithid-cm:
I was not trying to offend sir. We really appreciate the support on themes such as this! Thanks you!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
no offense taken. please feel free to link this in the rom thread too.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] gtlgabe:
This is really nice! Good job Fixxxer2008!

Just one question. What dock is that in the screenshots? Thanks.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
its laucher pro with a wp7 icon set.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] keithahundred:
the battery icon percentage is always wrong compared to my circle battery widget
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
no it's accurate. this rom runs off a 5% battery mod, not 1%. so if your phone is at 72% the circle battery will read 70. not sure how i could go about modding this for 1%. i tried the kitchen but got bootloops.

you really do not need a battery widget anyways when running the battery % mod.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
UPDATE: now with 1% battery mod.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] fixxxer2008:
ill try to update this theme this weekend for the new salavge-mod rom. this will probably be my last release as im moving to a nexus s soon. ;)
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] keithahundred:
are you still going to update the theme ?
[HD Mini General] rui_sandra:
Haret photon 7227 is not possible to open the file...?
[HD Mini General] tzacapaca:
try with a hammer...

or read [TUTORIAL] Install Android on HTC HD Mini
[HD Mini General] rui_sandra:
I followed this tutorial but from this error ...?

Thanks.
[HD Mini General] iPlasm:
If you want Android on your phone HTC HD Mini, Download the Cotulla's Android 2.1 and you extract the files.. these files will are together and you bring them to the root of SD card and format with FAT32 before bringing files, And when you want to start android tap on named HaRET, That is it, and if you see doesn't work it's because if SD is not enough fast or bad SD.

This files isn't about open file or something else, it's only boots to Android Operation System

Please everyone before asking, see the page, you see it, just ask about haven't asked yet....
[HD Mini General] rui_sandra:
Before I ask any questions I have read and did everything in this tutorial but it's always error opening the photon Haret 7227.

You must be the most intelligent of the forum, you should know everything.

Thanks.