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[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
*Im not spreading misinformation.

My analogy was simply that SE told me 2.1 was the final release for my x10..

You're missing my point.

We were told our phones were not getting the latest FW.

After we sold one (because of sony's statement) to get a phone that will have the latest FW, Sony backflips again.

Im not saying it's a bad thing, unless you believed SE and "upgraded" to another phone.

And also I never head Wolf, J, Bin4ry or even Trip say anything about the camera not being implemented into their FW with an uncracked BL.

"And name one car company that has ever replaced the motor for a new model for free"

Why don't you name one car company that has ever stopped a person from buying a motor and putting it in their own car

and your last question about blaming SE for my decision. My intention was to always remove the SE FW and donate to XDA.

I never blamed SE for my decision as im a big fan of the hardware and just didn't realise how secure the bootloader was. Im glad I bought the x10.

Im annoyed that I believed SE once again and told my missus that the camera (she takes a lot of photos/videos) will work a lot better on SE's firmware and that SE have stated that 2.1 is final. So her themes and speed will have to go unless she can do without a decent camera as there is no way SE is upgrading to GB....

If she hadn't sold her phone because of me, I wouldn't be complaining

*and I wouldn't of been shot down for as long as I was ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechGuru_x10:
After getting lots of complaints on we upgrading 2.1 to 2.3 we are dropping the plan.....

Is this what we waiting to hear.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raihansazal:
ha ha haaa.... lol....
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
No, but im sure my missus would love to hear.

Dear Mrs Bracewell

After our mistake confirming 2.1 was the latest update and then turning around and upgrading our range of x10 to GB, we would like to reimburse you for the loss of $300. Sorry for being attacked by some people on XDA forums for not understanding that this is infact our fault.

Please accept our sincere apology and hope you enjoy our next range of smart phones.

$300 might not be much to some people on here, but losing it to buy a new phone that comes second best to x10 running GB, sucks ass...

Hope you can understand my point of view.

Thanks SE for the upgrade BTW, the missus isnt as happy as i am, I'm sure you can understand
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] holcken:
Yes, Im sure about this. :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwer23:
Haha damn you Mr. Know-it-all! ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechGuru_x10:
I cannot comment on this as this is regarding your better half.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
The comment reads, I can't comment... hahaha

Do you realise how ironic this would be if you worked for SE... hahaha ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechGuru_x10:
You asked for it buddy, your wife is foolish to sell x10 if she wanted gingerbread.

Now, you will understand what I meant by not commenting....
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechGuru_x10:
Pls convey my apologies to your wife as I have to use that kind of words.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geovision:
God bless SE
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Vazelos:
In my opinion any version over 2.2 can unlock our phone's true potentials

so it's a step forward.

I believe we have the XDA X10 community to thank for this move by SE. ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwer23:
Are you sure about this? I read the opposite - literally everywhere! SE stated that bootloaders will stay locked and that other companies will lock up their devices too. And it seems to be true. Just look at the HTC Thunderbolt / Incredible S. And HTC was always the best example for customizability.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pngface:
Since I'm on a 3 year contract this is good news for me. No need to get the Arc now :) Q3 is still a bit late I think. Better than never

Edit: Shouldn't this thread be in the general section?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -- X10B --:
2.3 or unclock the bootloader. Se was threatend hahahaha. Dev here wont's stop. They plan to upgrade to more secure code.....

Anyway its a good news.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] holcken:
Im sure about what these guys at SE told me and confirmed. :)

What reality shows is another story.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flo95:
Great, SE listened to us X10 users and learned from their mistakes. Finally I'm a happy SE fanboy again :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] naveen_reloaded:
do you guys really think they listened to us ?

If so they would have kept open bootloader by now instead of giving us gingerbread..

Q2/Q3 , well from the past promises , i would expect if this update ever comes , it will come by june .. may be july too...

anyway here is the possible limitation they have stated , meaning , they are going to use thier bootloader to load a generic gingerbread rom and state it as update ..
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pngface:
So basically they are giving us a custom gingerbread rom....
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwer23:
Q3 late? I don't know, what phones that were released around the same time as X10 do you know that already have the update? HTC Desire series will get it earliest in april, so early Q3 is not a bad time frame after all.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] icbless:
HELL YEAH!! looks like im keeping x10 for awhile longer.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kunalgahlot:
cooool...but i dont like when they say they wont do this(like multi touch) and then they do it!!!!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwer23:
You're probably right but honestly... what will you miss?

- Face recognition? I uninstalled it even while I was on 2.1 stock ROMs.

- Moxier? Not on my phone since 1.6! The first thing I always deleted.

- Mediascape? stock gallery's way superior.

- Backup and restore? 3rd party apps have always been better. And btw it has been made possible to use SE backup and restore on GB by xda members anyway ;)

- bi-directional language? Well that's one. I don't need it so I can't say a thing about it.

And what will you gain?

- newest kernel with all the improvements (wifi tethering, performance,...)

- working 8.1 MP camera and HD camcorder :cool:

- ...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flo95:
Guys, we'll have 2.3.3, be happy and don't say it's too late then.

Better later than never!!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mancubus99:
Awesome news! Now I can finally use a current version of Android with 100% working components!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adaimespechip:
Definitely a surprise.. Very good news though :) Too late to think that most X10 users already have custom roms already though.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flo95:
@ kunalgahlot:

They didn't want to do it, but we all want it, because of that they changed their mind and do the update.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] naveen_reloaded:
yes , it will come with improved lock down .. and who knows more uncrackable bootloader ?

i am just saying .. ,you might end up with better camera , but aweful performance and possibly no ROOT.. we know that when 2.1 came there was some difficulty in rooting..

anyway generic ROM from SE will not be on the performance side , i can promise it...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kunalgahlot:
its good...it was still impossible if they had gone to upgrade with all SE features like camera and all,just minor coasmetics on stock android is enough...

now XDA's aim should be tweak the open bootloader and give a superman in phones and as we Arc'b bootloader will be locked,we can make X10 better than Arc

65 million colors

60fps

MY PHONE JUST HAD AN ORGASM WHEN I SHOWED THIS NEWS TO IT!!!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwer23:
I'll just wait until someone is willing to try and install it. If we then get root and custom kernels are still possible, I'll go and get it too :p

... or just stay with J's CM7 which is the best thing out there atm ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
HAHAHAHA :D:D

Don't sweat on it. You made her laugh.

She knows selling when she did was a bad idea. You're not telling us anything we don't already know :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TechGuru_x10:
Good to know...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Yes, I guess I missed your point, because you went too far with the analogy.. you exaggerated making your point invalid. You can still put fully functional custom ROMs on the X10, you just couldn't access their drivers. Android is free open source, not second party customizations. Well, that's the second parties prerogative.

What do you think of the news today regarding opening the bootloader on new devices? Huh, I can't hear you, because your foot is stuck inside your mouth. Joking.

Man, I don't need to stick up for SE anymore. They obviously can take care of themselves. Honestly, I do hope this puts an end to all this hating and conspiracy theories. Now we can we all get back to enjoying our devices.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stan.s:
The DRM for purchased music is usually not stored on the SDcard but in the phone's own non-removable storage. The update will wipe the license data, unless you can make a backup that's suitable for the new version of the OS.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stan.s:
Will this freeze development?

Well, yes.

However, surveys have shown that most people put SE firmware on the phone rather than 'custom' firmware. Many people use XDA and other forums to circumvent the carrier's control of the updates. I would think this is particularly true in the US and for impatient people elsewhere.

My general question is now, since we have been promised a new kernel update (with the potential to make it more difficult to root, which is needed for many backup software solutions and some customizations,) will developers here slow down or stop development? Either because that they know a new kernel is coming that will make updated COS easier since it has a matching kernel or that the numerous pre-rooted, re-themed, pre-app-configured software isn't as relevant?

Is the next challenge to take the 2.1 camera software and fit it to the 2.33 firmware before SE can/does? Or something else?

We already have Bin4ry bored and leaving.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ambroos:
Well now with 2.3.3 for the X10, and the unlocked bootloaders on the new range, that basically leaves the X10 as a dead device. It's a happy ending, though. Better move on to the Arc, Neo, Play or Pro now, four great shiny new devices waiting for you ^^
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stan.s:
IMHO.

The announcement about unlocked bootloaders is unclear.

1. What does it take to be a 'advanced' developer? The SDK from Google? ADB? Be a registered SE Developer? A license?

2. I sincerely believe that SE has seen the writing on the wall and that they know these phones won't be that competitive in the marketplace (save for the Play since it's unique). Unlocking the bootloader for non-carrier devices is a way for them to make a few extra bucks, since these phones will be more than 'no contract' they will be truly 'unlocked' and will not have any subsidized price whatsoever making them attractive to a different demographic of geeks/nerds/hackers.

Already we have reviews on Gizmodo that talk about the unreadability of the Play outdoors and even in bright light, and several software glitches. Other sites talk about lag due to the Timescape that's still in there, etc.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ambroos:
1. The things they say about advanced developers is just to keep kids from unlocking it and messing up their device, just 'because they can'. I think we'll be able to unlock in the same way as the Nexus S (fastboot oem unlock).

2. The most important thing for them is probably just positive publicity. That's what makes phones sell. We might be looking at specs and some other things, but the people that SE is trying to appeal to with these devices probably don't care about those things.

About the display of the Play, indeed, it's pretty bad. I've tried all four devices, and I can promise you the Arc and the Neo perform a lot better on the display side, especially if it comes to legibility in sunlight. Timescape doesn't do anything if you don't set it up and remove the widget, and software glitches can be fixed, Sony Ericsson is already working on 2.3.3 (and even 2.4) anyway.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
After everything that has happened the past week due to the voice of the X10 developer community, do you really believe that SE would take a huge step backwards and make the 2.3.3 update unrootable?? Nothing they have done recently supports that theory. As hard as it is for some people to digest, SE has heard us!

They can't open bootloader due to legal purposes, one being multi touch is protected by patent law and Apple, but that doesn't mean they are still against us being able to modify our phones within legal boundaries.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stan.s:
I should have been more specific.

While they gave a way to test if your phone is possible to have a custom rom installed, it doesn't say what it would take to give you the rights to develop a custom rom that can be put on it. It doesn't mean that the 'special' kits are totally open and that you don't need something from SE to create a rom kit (which may not be 'free at all').
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Google is your friend. Anyone can get the Android SDK online for free. You do have to register to get the Java download, but it is all there free for anyone to use. You don't need to pay for a license or anything. Plus, Sony Ericsson developers website has a ton of stuff free to download without even logging on their website.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ST4YSTR0NG:
We will still have only dual touch right? :S but still would really like to get gingerbread. Also planning to get the Arc :P
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aR_ChRiS:
imho dual touch is enough (i'm not a mobile gamer)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hanzo.Hasashi:
Yep, dual touch is enough. HD recording is by far more important.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
Thats great news about SE's new phones having open bootloaders..

Answer me this. Does that help my situation..
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ST4YSTR0NG:
Dual touch is not enough for me since there is no axis crossing or whatever you call it.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Well, yes in the long run, but maybe not directly now. However, I do think having the new phones open will help the X10 devs finish their ROMs in some way (I am not a dev, so that's not a guarantee).

Also there has been a lot of speculation by some that SE would for some odd reason increase the security with the 2.3.3 GB update. They already said it was going to be the same bootloader, as changing it could cause many problems. With 2.3.3 update all we really need is root. Some of the speculators say that SE is going to make it unrootable. Again, I am not a developer, but if they said it would have the same security I don't think it will be a problem. If anything, they would or should make it easily rootable based on their recent change of heart for the dev community, all of which are still using the X10. They know that if they made it unrootable, the negative press would just keep on coming.

As far as the legal reasons for not unlocking the X10, I know that there is a real simple legal reason. Multitouch could be possible with the bootloader opened, which would basically be not protecting Apple's patent on Multitouch, which SE is legally bound to do with the X10. Another reason we got pinch zoom (dualtouch).

I my opinion, SE has done everything they can possibly do within reason. There are legal reasons for the bootloader, and as far as the minor implementations such as speaker volume, 16 mil colors, 32 fps their could be technical limitations. One that they mentioned is overheating, which I take as valid considering the heating problems some are already having running 2.2+.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mtechfan:
And some people thought that all our complaining would not get results :p
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ImS0Raw:
Getting S.E. to unlock the bootloader voor advanced developers is a of a friend of my and I managed to get votes for it.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ic3tea:
Can ?

I Have Update To Android 2.2 With Wolfbreak Rom And How To Update To Android 2.3 If The Update Come ? :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xerex.exe:
yeah it´s so cool.perhaps i flash the stock rom ^^
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dannyj78:
flash to generic 2.1 (nordic 2.1 rom)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aR_ChRiS:
or wait till the rooted version of the official rom comes out, then flash it with flashtool =D

(can't live without root)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -- X10B --:
S.E.'s gb with a custom kernel damn it will be fast for sure.

Better to wait for the root.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Candy[MAN]:
"The roll-out is planned to start end Q2/early Q3 this year"

If my math is correct, that means we should see it coming (if all goes according to plan) by end of April/early May. That makes it 4 weeks away!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] soldiers33:
q2 ends in june and early q3 is july so no its not 3 weeks away. its 4 months away. But who cares we getting something atleast and the kernal has been bypassed so we could get it much earlier.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anders260:
end Q2 is June
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Candy[MAN]:
My apologies....I am used to a fiscal year starting on November 1st and not January 1st.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anders260:
no prob. ;-)

i wish it was in a few weeks
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BinaryXeroMedia:
If any one is about to have a go at SE because they are not doing it for x8 and x10 mini users then just think before you do. i know they have said that they are not doing it but they also said that about x10 customers and now they are saying that they are doing it. they can only do so many things at once and as we all know everything takes time. just wait a little bit and see what happens. i think once they have completed it for the x10 then i think they will start working on it for the rest of the xperia models.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] william58:
I tried searching for this below... nothing showed up:

Does Gingerbread 2.3.3 support 16 million colors on the X10?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anders260:
many swedish x10 user with contact into SE , tells that there will be another surprise coming what can that be? i can only think on opening of bootloader
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kmaximax:
OPENING BOOTLOADER has already been said/discussed by SE and on this forum!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stan.s:
Nah, they legally can't for carrier subsidized ones. But on the other hand, they know that the people here mostly don't care about that anymore.

I think Arc launcher, and new timescape widget as well as removing mediascape as we know it. They might as well, we have the apks.

16m color? Nope. it's just too much stress for the processor and will slow the thing down. (Hope I'm wrong.)

Include the SE camera software? maybe.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ambroos:
Removing Mediascape might not be the best decision, I have an Arc, and the music player really sucks... I'd love standalone Mediascape!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stan.s:
I don't think the complaining had that much to do with it. SE has ALWAYS released a number of updates to their firmware for even the cheapest phones for about 2 years.

Here's what I think happened since they announced the X10 family that delayed and streched out the processes that SE normally did on the regular basis.

1. They almost went bankrupt; reorganized and fired many programmers in the process, screwing up the development schedules.

2. They moved offices in the US from Raleigh NC and Miami FLA to Atlanta, GA. (the equivalent of moving from the south of France to eastern Germany) This screwed up a lot of the staff responsible for South America and North America. They decided to work closer with Sony and Sony decided to work with SE on more than just camera phones offering up a couple parts of their NGP (Bravia codecs, Playstation Platform and and a rejected PSP design). The travel times from the East Coast of the US to Japan are very long and the time difference is killer. They opened a joint office in Los Angles (?) CA to make the team from Japan and the SE Japan staff closer. Many wasted man hours in the moves.

3. SE didn't plan well for the rapid updates of the Linux kernel. Regular Linux builds are much farther apart, seldom do you see 3 in 18 mo. They simply made a mistake that made it more perilous to update the phone.

4. SE has never been badgered about the updates in the past except for bug reports, and didn't know how to deal with it when there were so many other OEM's making contrary announcements. They were still used to working at their own pace on their own OS. Customers for the most part are handled by the carriers, not them. They said 'not at this time' and the users (including me) took it as 'not ever.'
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stan.s:
Well there's WinAmp, and a number of DLNA players (I use 2Player). Winamp's main problem is that it wants to sync your entire lib with the phone (last I checked) and my music lib is 3x the size of the 32G card in my phone, but it plays playlists.

Is there native DLNA on the Arc?

There's also some players that allow you create on the fly lists based on mood and other variables.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ambroos:
Native DLNA server: yes. Client: no. The other way around would have been much better. I'll have a look at Winamp, but I doubt it's as good as Mediascape.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flome:
Try power amp, it's the best player around. A lot better than winamp.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] im_iceman:
consumer uprising was without doubt the biggest factor for them turning around on that decision.. they decided to throw 2.3 because, in the end they knew that it would sell more phones.. I said it months ago.. it's what Apple do with their iOS releases and never did them any harm... makes your customers feel loved... and a happy customer is a great advocate...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anders260:
GB on X10

HI

Rumour says that SE- 2.3.3 on X10 runs perfect/super fast, sounds promising ;-)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nagarebozhi:
You guys don't know how wrong you are :D

SE will suprize you all with this update just wait and see :D

You will never believe what they do ;)

Xperia!

Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted!​
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwer23:
I heard the same rumor :D Am very excited about what we'll get!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foreveralone:
Care to enlighten us about the rumours, kind Sirs?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nagarebozhi:
me to, Sony Ericsson will make up for all the bad things they have done to us in the past with this update :P

Xperia!

Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted!​
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pngface:
Lol I heard the same rumours before the 2.1 update.. and while it was better in some ways than 1.6, it was in no way 'super smooth, responsive' etc

Here's hoping I'm wrong