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[Epic 4G Android Development] JohnCorleone:
The post above mine is a great post. Well thought out and full of good points. I have had my Epic since week one of release. I have never dropped it. I shut it down completely every time (yes I wait until after the haptic feedback) before I swap batteries. I always install my apps fresh. It seems like clockwork that after 4 or 5 days there would be force close issues with no journaling. I am someone who actually uses their phone for work so I can't afford to have my phone sitting there untouched and start force closing. I will gladly sacrifice a couple of points on some benchmark test if it means more stability. Many devs may not have to go through these issues because they are constantly making changes to their setup to improve the ROMs for us all. I for one would prefer to flash a ROM and, once I install all apps fresh, be able to use my phone without fear of sudden data corruption. It is easy to say just make a backup and restore it if it fails but if you use your phone for work, the call you miss could cost you business or the data you lose could be non replaceable. I am not just worried about losing some game levels here. I applaud Rob as well as Team Viper for giving us the CHOICE to use a ROM that may, in the long run, end up being a lot less of a headache. I don't want to worry every time I download an app, browse the internet,answer a call,etc.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ungovernable1977:
the point of no jounaling was to assuade the fears of switching to EXT4 based on nand life. IF the data we collected, AND the epic forums public opinion was that that risk was something they could live with, THEN the only remaining point of no journaling was the small speed increase. Is that speed increase WORTH the stability? I really think the only logical way is to have RFS, and EXT4, journaling intact, both as options. Would it be possible to make a flashable .zip to convert an RFS ROM to EXT4? This would mean that all Devs would have to do is make RFS ROMs, and those of us who choose to use EXT4 can flash the conversion script (like in cwm3...?), and call it good. No journaling just seems like a lot of hassle for a little benchmark gain. Devs, how hard would this be? I dont dev, so maybe I am totally off, and am missing something that would make this conversion not practical, or, maybe I am missing some great advantage to no journaling other than the small speed increase..?

Sorry, still trying to wrap my head around the logic of no journaling... I have to be missing something...
[Epic 4G Android Development] ptfdmedic:
BYOR Editions are up..... Treat them the same why you would the regular BYOR edition. FOLLOW the instructions for the NO Tweak versions and ENJOY.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ptfdmedic:
While it's pretty simple to provide the extra versions in order to accommodate more people I don't know if there really is a simple fix that would not be complicated for most users. Basically it has to do with the updatescript and the redirector that's included. If you want RFS then you can't use CW3 redirector you'll need CW2.5 ect. It just get too complicated. I don't mind doing this at the moment but uploading is a HUGE PAIN IN THE ASS.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ToiletDuck555:
Just wondering, what is the difference between V5 no tweeks and v5 BYOR?
[Epic 4G Android Development] ToiletDuck555:
Also throwing in my .02 on journaling. I was running a rom with ext4 and no journaling and dropped my phone causing the battery to pop out. This cause all sorts of coruption gapps, keyboard, and several others would constantly FC over and over making my phone unusable. Luckly I had a recent backup and restored data from it.

From now on im not using a rom with journaling disabled.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ptfdmedic:
The v5 with JOURNALING ON is just prebuilt. The BYOR with JOURNALING ON is a VERY thin ROM that you build and customize yourself by flashing the apps you want after you flash the ROM.
[Epic 4G Android Development] danasmith2816:
I flashed the midnight stock rom for ec05 rfs and and every time it starts to install an app from the market it reboots. i rewiped everything 3 times and reflashed the rom with the same result. any help would be appreciated.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ungovernable1977:
Just asking because you didnt mention it, which clockworkmod version did you use? You need to use the 2.5.x (for RFS) one not 3.x.x(for EXT4), just a wild guess...and the modem installs ONLY if you were on DI18. To be safe, you can just start clean, use the 'how to Odin to DI18 on lostandtired.com , then root using cwm 2.5.5, then flash your ROM... starting clean always helps... I swear crap from old ROMs is like gremlins...
[Epic 4G Android Development] TH3JUGG3RNAUT:
I flashed the midnight rom V.5 BYOR, and the new modem EC05 for EXT4. Everythings been very smooth and I can feel a slight increase in speed from 4.2. The only thing causing this to not be perfect is my phone vibrates randomly with no notification, and goes to the boot animation for a few seconds and appears on my lock screen. Has any one experienced anything like this?
[Epic 4G Android Development] danasmith2816:
I was on the ota ec05, do i still need to flash the modem, thought I already had it with the ota ec05. Also it was rfs cwm 2.5.5 and i wiped everything 3 times before installing the rom.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ungovernable1977:
I have read people having issues with the OTA... especially if the received it OTA the 'official' way, and not flashing the update.zip. Anyways, I would say the safest way is to Odin to DI18, root with 2.5.5 if you want RFS, then flashing this ROM. And if you have time, it wouldnt hurt to open google maps and test your GPS while youre briefly on DI18, people swore by it with the EB13 and I think DK28. I did not do it, and mine is great, but it can be different for everyone. Good luck!

To the other post above, I would try the same... once you get Odin down, and a good connection for doing the One-clicks... its the safest way... also, if there is still something wrong after that, its easier for Rob to look into in case its actually something wrong with the ROM. I swear some of the corrupt data from those of us that have run no-journaling can be anywhere... actually considering backing up and wiping my SD and starting that fresh too... just in case... I figure once I get a stable setup that has lasted a week, im probly free of the data corruption. Not trying to exaggerate, but I think a lot of people also underestimate it, especially if they flash more than once a week... as it seems those of us who have found what we like, and want to run it a while until theres some major changes/improvements, are the ones who notice the data corruption, and the ones who dont, flash all the time, not giving the corruption enough time to pile up and be noticed.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ptfdmedic:
Thats a good point. If all else fails then backup and then format your SDcard.
[Epic 4G Android Development] danasmith2816:
Appreciate the help!! Odined back to DI18 and rooted, then flashed the rom with the EC05 modem, instead of downloading the ota EC05. Now, all is well again and reloading my apps. Again, thanks for the help.

Dana:D
[Epic 4G Android Development] vtphilk:
Anyone have a problem with after flashing Midnight your phone just shuts off after a bit of lock time? I don't know exactly how long, but I just flashed last night the

midNIGHT ROM v5 (BYOR Edition) EC05 NCIQ

and the dang thing was running great. I thought all was well and it was really fast but then all of a sudden I noticed my phone was off. Then i would have to pull the battery to get it back on, then it would be fine. Then about 30 min later I would notice it is off again.

I have tried to wipe the user data, cache, and dalvik three times each, and no luck. I reflashed once as well.

I DID flash the EC05 modem as well..no change. I'm thinking of trying the new one up on the website that does not say NCIQ..

PS> Before starting to flash I was stock on EB13. However, I ODIN'ed to the stock EB13, wiped 3 times the 3 items, then rooted with CW3, etc..
[Epic 4G Android Development] 1999TL:
I was a little wrong.

I just had my battery die on me and the data was corrupt when I popped in my spare battery and booted up. I'll try and flash the new rom now. Previously, I tried just pulling out the battery to see if the data would get corrupt upon flashing this rom, but nothing happened. This is the first time the battery died on me though, and I'm hoping the 3-26 rom has this problem resolved.

Has anybody else run into this? maybe it's just me. Thanks.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Greubin:
Just wanted to chime in and say thanks for another pain free rom installation. I updated my wifes epic from midnightRom 3.2 without a hitch.

I odined di18, installed cwm 3.0.0.6, then flashed the rom. Thanks coming your way.
[Epic 4G Android Development] vtphilk:
Can you list your exact steps..

IE:

ODIN to D18 using SPH-D700-DI18-8Gb-REL.tar

Format SD card (To clean everything)

Factory Wipe "User Data" 3 times

Wipe Cache 3 times

Wipe Dalvik Cache 3 times

Copy new Rom from 3/26/2011 to SD IE (midNIGHT ROM v5 (BYOR Edition) EXT4 Journaling ON )

Copy Midnight Extras to SD (So you can apply the standard)

CW 3.0.0.6 to root

Reboot into CW , it upgrades to EXT4

Flash the ROM (midNIGHT ROM v5 (BYOR Edition) EXT4 Journaling ON )

Wipe user data 3 times

wipe cache 3 times

wipe davlik three times

Flash the Extras "Standard" to the rom (When I didn't do this I got FC's on the android wizard?)

Then boot up the phone.

Does that sound right? I have done basically this other than I ODINed to EB13 .. and I also flashed the EC05 modem after everything was done.
[Epic 4G Android Development] budderocks:
1. Odin to DI18

2. One Click Root with the CW 3.0.0.6

3. Copy the ROM and Extra's Folder

4. Boot into Recovery and let it convert to EXT4

5. Wipe Data, Cache, Dalvik x3

6. Install ROM, let it restart

7. Boot back into Recovery and flash the Standard and reboot....do not wipe again.

No need to flash the modem, it is all done by flashing the ROM. Medic's instructions on his page do not state that you need to wipe, but it can help...only wipe where I said to wipe if you are going to wipe
[Epic 4G Android Development] danasmith2816:
Love this rom, working great. One question. I text slow because of slight arthritis issues with my hands so I actually used swype and voice texting quite often. Is there a way to use the standard eclair keyboard with this rom so that swype and the microphone are available?? or possibly an app to download?

Thanks,

Dana
[Epic 4G Android Development] flyers2114:
Everything you need is in the add-ons folder....
[Epic 4G Android Development] jdelano:
I am one of those that likes to wait a little, what I have found in regards to corruption is it happens using the 4 finger to recovery. Using that method is the only time I have every jumped into a boot loop. I get a little weird thing now and again using quickboot to recovery (mostly very strange battery levels upon returning to system).

I just always power down and then 3-finger to recovery. Just the safest method to be sure that everything has closed properly. I think of it like the difference between pressing reset button on your computer or using the proper shut down method. The first is faster and you may not have an issue but it is more likely to cause an issue in comparison to powering down correctly.

Just another angle :D
[Epic 4G Android Development] ungovernable1977:
Yeah I'm not sure what 4 finger is, I only do vol up reboot to attempt to get out of lockups, never works. I also have become hesitant with quickboot... the reboot shuts down way too quick. Actually, on this journaled ext4 version, I got a lockup with smartbench 2010, after switching setcpu to 1.2/1.2, smartass. Anyone used smartass??? Read it was like ondemand but more agressive... when I pulled battery, rebooted, setcpu was back to conservative... so I'm thinking its the culprit... but I just saw acs said they fixed an issue w conservative... so idunno. Gonna reinstall setcpu... see what happens. But, running journaling, seem to have no problems yet. Gonna try Robs byor videos method, that way I can drag and drop .apks and always have a folder set up of my fav apps to drop into updates. After that ill run this a while, but I'm pretty sure stability is going to go up. I'm glad acs did a journaled version, props to them for that. People still need to get that you won't see these issues till they pile up over about a week (journaling)... I totally see how devs and flashaholics would not notice. On eb13 I was trying all the roms, seeing what they have to offer... same with dk28.... now I'm trying to settle in for a bit, that's when I noticed the data issues. Anyways... rom kicks butt so far, and it handled a lockup well... so I'm very pleased. Lemme know if anyone know what's up w setcpu...
[Epic 4G Android Development] jdelano:
4 - finger :

When your phone is on ... press both volume buttons + power + camera.

The phone will pop into recovery.

I tried it twice. The 2nd time; boot loop. Its cool. I just think if you have journaling off, it is something that should be avoided.

On the setCPU; its been said to use conservative. Though I just did read some stuff setting OnDemand using the Twilight 1.1 kernel (I may give that a whirl)
[Epic 4G Android Development] styckx:
I for the first time yesterday tried this ROM. I'm regretting never have tried it sooner. It is exactly what I wanted. No frills, minimaistic ROM that let's you build it the way you want from basically scratch. Perfect. Thank you.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ungovernable1977:
ahhh... I always heard reboot to recovery was vol up not both... always assumed it worked only as a rocker, but now I can feel that it will do both... crazy... Anyways, obviously I have never done that... and if I recall, a while back that didnt work (sometime in the history of the Epic) so I wrote it off.

As far as setCPU, I believe it was in ACS's thread, or Rodderik's Kernel, that OnDemand was now the preferable standard operating mode (performance for benching of course), But I had read I BELIEVE k0nane was using Smartass mode. I had searched it and I think it was the only reference in the Epic section, couple other threads elsewhere, but I guess the official site's description is a bit vague. It seemed like ondemand but more aggressive... basically... so I figured if one of the Devs was using it, it SHOULD be okay. So I tried to smartbench with ondemand, and smartass to see what performed better... locked on smartass during the Tunnel, then went black screen xcept notification bar... you know the deal. Just curious what people were running, as it may be an EC05+Smartbench issue...idunno...

Really liking the looks of the new ACS kernel... wonder if the EXT+Journal version will work over my midNIGHT... hmmm... that is when its fixed, guess people were having issues with their journaling versions.. but they just went up last night. I just like the UV for all steps 1ghz and below... and 1.3 is always tempting too :D
[Epic 4G Android Development] jdelano:
1.3 is tempting !!for sure. There is a new ACS kernel I just read about that has 1.4 as well. Though if you run at that speed you could probably cook eggs off the battery, ;)

I use setCPU and have it at 1200 and 200 set for conservative atm.

I'll try to switch mine and run smart bench and see if I get the same result.
[Epic 4G Android Development] danasmith2816:
Thanks, that got me back on the swype keyboard and voice texting. Everything seems to be working great now.
[Epic 4G Android Development] dnathan13:
For our phones conservative is

not

recommended. Some phones can handle it fine, but a lot of them will have lag issues and lock ups, especially from wake. OnDemand is preferred or performance if you want the highest setting all the time. The smartass governor is still experimental, but it should conserve a little more battery while still ramping up the cpu quickly when needed. I have been running smartass for 3 days with no lock ups and all benchmarks running fine. Before using smartass I was using ondemand with no issues either, but I "feel" I am getting a little better battery life now with no performance difference at this point.

About the 4 finger thing, yes it can cause issues and is not recommended because it forces everything to stop and immediately reboot into recovery.

On the journalling/no journalling discussion, I have used no journalling since it came out and had a couple issues early (on dk28), but have had none since. I have been running midnight 5 since it came out and haven't had any FC's or other issues that may or may not be related to no journalling A lot of times it just depends on the usage you put it through, how you handle your phone, and luck.
[Epic 4G Android Development] FrameCityJackal:
Im sorry I've been reading this thread back and forth..

I am on EC05 via update.zip and on CW 2.5 can I use either rom as is obviously not EXT4 also do both not include NOCQID or just the one stated.

Sorry just really confused
[Epic 4G Android Development] fzammetti:
I have a generic question... I've been flipping between ROMs for a while now, but ATM I'm running this one, the journaling ON version... I think :) ... and that's where my question comes in!

I'm trying to confirm journaling is on... I've tried:

tune2fs -L /dev/block/stl10 | grep features

(-l gives me a bad switch error, looks like it's supposed to be upper-case)

The /dev/block/stl10 is my /data point, so I *think* that's correct... but when I try it, all I get is tune2fs echoing usage info back at me (not saying there's any error, just echoing usage).

I saw mention of tune2fs.ext4 (I *am* running Ext4) but that seems to be something specific to another ROM (I forget which).

Can anyone point me in the right direction? How can I check if journaling is on or not? Would be nice if there was an app that could do it... I'm old and lazy these days: I'll take a decent GUI to a command line :)
[Epic 4G Android Development] imdjenk:
Rob great work with this ROM.

I have one issue and I read through this entire thread hoping to find answers. Anytime I download an app from the market, it will begin installing and then the phone will reboot. The app never finishes installing.

I've odin'ed back to di18 and wiped 3x before I flashed the rom. I also tried to reflash with no luck. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

ps. I installed v5 RFS

edit: seems phone reboots after installing any apk but never really installs?
[Epic 4G Android Development] cheema:
I have tried many ROMs and for now have settled on this one. The no tweaks edition. It has just the right amount of customizations. There are plenty of ROMs out there that prioritize form over function. This one works well and does not look too leet for my taste.

The only change I would recommend is that the project be moved to be a Google hosted project. Like some of the other ROMs. Much easier to track issues etc.

Thanks!
[Epic 4G Android Development] jdelano:
Yes both included NCIQ; right on you will not want to use an EXT4 version.

Good luck
[Epic 4G Android Development] JohnCorleone:
I just added Vision kernel to this ROM and cranked it up to 1.4. Everything works flawlessly.
[Epic 4G Android Development] imdjenk:
Running out of ideas so I tried to uninstall Ti backup, but it comes back after reboot. At least it seems I'm the only one with this issue because everything else is awesome. I know someone here has some ideas, help! Also, sometimes quick boot shows up in my app drawer and sometimes it does not. Weird :(
[Epic 4G Android Development] JohnCorleone:
Trying to help find an answer for you. I haven't had this happen myself but let me PM a couple of people who may be able to help. Are you on RFS or EXT4?
[Epic 4G Android Development] imdjenk:
I'm on RFS. I've been searching google hard and it seems to be a common problem with custom ROMS but the solutions range from changing user rights through ADB and deleting smdl2tmp1.asec.

I'm pretty sure that the apps not uninstalling, and the phone rebooting during an incomplete install is all related somehow. I've tried copying apk's to my sd card and installing that way but the phone still reboots. I've tried amazon market to rule out android market and it does the same. I'm no computer expert but the only guess I have is while trying to install apk's the path to dump files is incorrect or missing, if that makes any sense. I appreciate any and all help. :)
[Epic 4G Android Development] JohnCorleone:
E

If I were you, I would re-download the ROM to your PC. I have had to do that a couple of times when I failed with the wipe/reflash stuff. I would try that before changing anything internally with the ROM
[Epic 4G Android Development] imdjenk:
I tried, that.. and even tried to download the BYOR version and flashed that with the same results. I odin'ed back to DI18, did the EC05 OTA and everything worked fine but when I reflash any of the midnight roms the problem comes back. Normally I would just move on and flash another ROM but I like the simplicity of this ROM, and I definitely prefer the Journaling left on and the RFS file system. :(
[Epic 4G Android Development] JohnCorleone:
Man, you have me stumped. I did download the standard version though. If you have to move on, Viper SynErgY and the new Urban Legend ROM are both journal on RFS/EXT4. Sorry I couldn't get you over the hump
[Epic 4G Android Development] imdjenk:
Thanks for trying John. I temporarily switched to stock ec05 and I won't have time to tinker until this weekend. I can immediately tell how much slower my phone is. :(
[Epic 4G Android Development] jdelano:
Give the EXT4 version a whirl; the speed will surprise you.
[Epic 4G Android Development] JohnCorleone:
I agree. EXT4 with journaling seems (for me) to be the best speed/stability setup
[Epic 4G Android Development] danasmith2816:
That's exactly the same problem i had. Here's the conversation----

Originally Posted by danasmith2816 View Post

I flashed the midnight stock rom for ec05 rfs and and every time it starts to install an app from the market it reboots. i rewiped everything 3 times and reflashed the rom with the same result. any help would be appreciated.

Just asking because you didnt mention it, which clockworkmod version did you use? You need to use the 2.5.x (for RFS) one not 3.x.x(for EXT4), just a wild guess...and the modem installs ONLY if you were on DI18. To be safe, you can just start clean, use the 'how to Odin to DI18 on lostandtired.com , then root using cwm 2.5.5, then flash your ROM... starting clean always helps... I swear crap from old ROMs is like gremlins...

Multi-Quote This Message

Thanks Meter 26

I odined back to DI18, flashed the ec05 modem only instead of the ota ec05, then reflashed the rom which fixed my app issue.

Dana
[Epic 4G Android Development] imdjenk:
Thanks Dana,originally I odined back to di18 and then did 1 click root and flashed the rom with cw 2.5.1. I didn't have to flash the modem because the rom installed it automatically. When that didnt work, I reodined back to di18, did the ota ec05, and rerooted with noobnl's one click cw 2.5.5 and root and then flashed the rom. I always wipe 3x even when I think i t might be redundant.

I will reflash the modem seperately and see if that helps.

Stock ec05 blows! I almost want to flash back to Nebula.
[Epic 4G Android Development] xeonbuilder:
I love the rom but since I upgraded to it I cant get voice dialing to work. I installed the extras but still nothing.

Anyone have any ideas??
[Epic 4G Android Development] jdelano:
Did you flash the voice dialer zip from the midNight extras folder ??

It is not part of the upgrade zip
[Epic 4G Android Development] JohnCorleone:
I downloaded Google "Voice Search" from the market. I just tested it for you by speaking numbers and it absolutely worked. It also makes voice translation apps work.
[Epic 4G Android Development] imdjenk:
So I installed the EXT4 version and the apk install error is corrected. I can't believe how fast and smooth my phone is now, LOVE IT.

I am now an advocate of Midnight Rom, and autism awareness. Keep it up Rob.