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[Nook Color General] cadium:
I wish they would have released it though and done something else. Like maybe not allow any maker to use the "Android" name in advertising unless it met their requirements? Similar to what they do with the "With Google" on the back of phones.

Heck they could take it a step further and only allow phone manufacturers to produce pure Google Experience phones instead of wrapping it up with their own skin.
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
And this is why Richard Stallman is always, always, always right.
[Nook Color General] ilikeandroid:
yeah this blows, a lot. Engadget has a good article too.
[Nook Color General] evilPERSOn2009:
This is not going to help Android gain more market share. The money hats are sure working on Google.
[Nook Color General] A. Nonymous:
How can you have open source, but still tell OEMS what they can and can't do?
[Nook Color General] smaskell:
By doing exactly what he said in his post. Not allow them to use the android name. Also, don't allow them access to the market and other google apps. They can't force OEMS to do anything, but they can give them incentives. I think them restricting the android name to google experience devices would be excellent. Ubunutu is based on Debian Linux, but you don't see them calling it Debian anywhere. In fact, if you didn't look it up, you would have no idea that Ubuntu even had anything to do with Debian. It's very similar, but it's been modified and is therefore no longer called Debian, just like sense, motoblur, touch-wiz and others should not be called android.
[Nook Color General] A. Nonymous:
They already do that though. The $100 tablet you can buy at Walgreens doesn't have the Google name on it. Doesn't have the market or google apps. Still makes Android look bad. Besides, not giving them the Android name would be great for OEMs. They would drop it all together, call it HTC Sense OS or MotoBlur OS or whatever and the consumers would then be extremely confused.
[Nook Color General] pjdj:
I was upset about this at first, but it makes perfect sense. Like people have said, it makes Android look like crap. IMHO, Honeycomb is an embarrassment as far as polish when it comes to iOS. Get me right, I'm an Android fan through and through, but lacking polish and stability can really hurt Android right now. I'm sure we'll get the source eventually while it's still relevant. Remember, the first commercial device running that software is barley a month old...
[Nook Color General] poofyhairguy:
I see a final SDK Honeycomb build in our future.
[Nook Color General] mckooter:
i assume we will never see a 3.0 aosp at all. it isnt meant for phones and i think google initally wanted to branch off but decided against that. and from seeing our development they have realized that >3.0 is bad for tablets and 3.0 is bad for phones. they know we will try to do it anyway and just discover that the other half (phones or tablets depending on version) is very inadequate so they plan on making ice cream the version of android that works on both

still sad that they wont even let us try to get it working, hell the preview release is running pretty well already, this " we decide what is good for you " stance is worrying from an open source os
[Nook Color General] britoso:
By "indefinitely" I understand the exact release date is not definite. Thats all. Android >>>>>>>> iOS
[Nook Color General] bjitty:
Pretty terrible news. Really puts a mark on future android releases for the community. Really sad even if there are business reasons for it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. They're either open source or not. They can't try to have it both ways.

Yep. I can't tell you how many times I've rolled my eyes at something he's said and considered it to be extreme but it's true.
[Nook Color General] comdei:
They are probably just working on making it stable...

Remember, google is the forerunner for open source.

chrome(based off chomrium open source)

chome os( based off chomrium open source)

android(obviously linux)
[Nook Color General] veeeee:
Definitely disappointing. Would love to see my Nook Color running Honeycomb AOSP.

I don't buy their reasoning. I don't see why anyone would go rushing to put Honeycomb on a phone??? If anything it's all these cheap tablets running pre 3.0 that is making Android look bad.
[Nook Color General] discourse:
This is pathetic!!!! So much for it being "Open Source"!!!:mad::mad::mad:

It's probably full of stolen code or something.:D
[Nook Color General] A. Nonymous:
That's the point. Google is trying to avoid cheap tablets running Honeycomb. Let's be completely honest here. In terms of polish, iOS is a better OS than Honeycomb. That's to be expected given that Honeycomb is a first-gen tablet OS. Google is pushing it as it's answer to iOS though. They don't want it plastered on crappy ass tablets that barely run and definitely don't want it on phones that won't run it well at all. It would make Honeycomb look awful even though it's a very nice OS if it's run on a device that can actually run it.
[Nook Color General] maek_it_happen:
We need a petition ....

Sent from my Dell Streak
[Nook Color General] d00med:
The promise of Honeycomb is why I bought a Nook Color. :/
[Nook Color General] japzone:
What's really funny is even though they haven't released the Source people are already porting it to Devices like this here NookColor :) So much for that plan Google :D

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[Nook Color General] japzone:
Go to Nookdevs for HowTo on getting Honeycomb on your Nook ;)

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[Nook Color General] nolook:
same and i just got mine yesterday...already flashed honeycomb to internal because i thought the aosp would be released very soon...

really a major letdown to see google behave like apple...
[Nook Color General] lafester:
at worst they will wait until ice cream is released.

of course at that point nobody will want it.
[Nook Color General] grasstrout:
Me too

Sent from my Nook Color with Honeycomb
[Nook Color General] Tyfighter:
Does this mean the end of the road for honeycomb on the NC? Or is there still work that can be done with the preview that we've been using?
[Nook Color General] victle:
Agree. Let Google hear our voice

Sent from my NookColor
[Nook Color General] poofyhairguy:
The only thing left that can be done is a final SDK port. That would allow the Nook Color to run programs taken from the Xoom. The only reason it hasn't been done yet is everyone was expected ASOP soon.

The problem is that even that build will lack the goodies that CM7 has (or will have): working DSP, working bluetooth, working GUI acceleration, possibly better sleep, etc. Without ASOP Honeycomb can be edited like CM7 to be customized for the NC. Just like now, people will have to chose between a half-broken Honeycomb or fully working Froyo or Gingerbread.

The sad part is that after much reading many people don't expect a code drop till after Ice Cream, when Gingerbread and Honeycomb are merged. That could be six months away or more, which means that by the time we get ASOP Android tablet OS the Nook Color's reign as the best cheap Android tablet might be over and it might be overcome by other devices. The window the Nook Color had to be a great early Honeycomb device was small, and now its gone maybe.

Oh well, CM7 has gotten pretty useable. All we need is some hack to keep the notification bar onscreen always and we will be pretty close to the usability of Honeycomb....
[Nook Color General] glenairlie:
Apple execs are chuckling right now...
[Nook Color General] Geekbabe:
Obviously I'd prefer a fully functional Honeycomb but Froyo has been amazingly stable for me thus far, if I could get blue tooth I'd be a totally happy camper!
[Nook Color General] austontatious:
Mostly because kept calling it ASOP... Android Open Source Project. AOSP. not ASOP. There is no ASOP. That's not even a real thing. Seriously.
[Nook Color General] A. Nonymous:
How are they behaving like Apple? Are you arguing that it would be great for Android if they put Honeycomb on cheap ass devices that can't run it and consumers see it as a POS operating system?
[Nook Color General] nolook:
well thats happening right now with partial ports to the nook, etc so i dont see the point of holding back for that regard...

i mean behaving like apple in that they are essentially now locking down their OS and not keeping it open. this is a major reason so many people have gone with android over ios in the 1st place...
[Nook Color General] xwint3rxmut3x:
Yeah, but people who hang out on xda and flash their devices are mostly aware of bugs and what it's going to involve. A partially broken version of HC on the nook flashed by a very small percentage of people is way better than 100's of barely usable HC shanzai tablets flooding onto ebay. I don't like that googles holding onto the source, and maybe my theory is invalid since it hasn't happened with 2.3 yet, but it's just something I was thinking about.

Also ASOP is a real thing...i'm pretty sure he's the guy that wrote all those fables..
[Nook Color General] TheFlyingPig:
The recent success has gone over google's head. They are becoming an evil empire faster than IBM, Apple and Microsoft ever did. This is just bad news for us:(
[Nook Color General] KCKitsune:
Not having Honeycomb envy!

I was in the same boat, but I'm now running CM7 (nightly 29) and I can tell you it's pretty darn good. I got Bluetooth working (after running "fix permissions") and I was able to pair it with my G-sat BT-359 GPS receiver.

I don't have navigation software on my Nook as of the moment, but I'm really looking at CoPilot Live 8 GPS Navigation software. The reviews I saw on it are pretty darn good.
[Nook Color General] A. Nonymous:
How is Google locking down their OS? Anyone can still develop for it. They're not setting any restrictions on what you can/can't do with their OS. You might argue that what they're doing is more like Microsoft, but I don't see the Apple comparison at all.
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
Uh, bull puckey. Android on tablets has a truly horrible reputation right now, primarily because it doesn't exist! The only Android tablets have been the crappy horrors you describe because it's taken forever for Google and the hardware manufacturers to get their acts in gear. (Yes, 2 years is forever in technology. I'm still waiting.) The pricing on the Xoom and Tab is a joke. (The old iPads are clearing out at $299 as we speak.)

The flood of crappy Android tablets exists already, and those models amount to the flagship of the Android tablet market!

Holding back source prevents one of the cheapies from getting it right (this has happened often before, the rise of the netbooks with quality goods from obscure makers being a recent example). The cheap imports aren't going to stop; they'll just keep using the old tablet-unoptimized Android builds, making Android continue to look childish compared to iOS. Not to mention the aforementioned violation of the spirit of open source / free software, etc., etc.

Edit: I would add, having the cheapos on the same footing with the name brands would serve to HIGHLIGHT the benefits of the well made hardware. It would be EASY to see why you'd want an HP over a Yum Cha, because even though they had the same interface, one actually worked. Rather than confuse Android buyers, it would sharpen their ability to pick a nice machine.
[Nook Color General] Gin1212:
I completely agree with xdabr, nobody I know has even the slightles clue that Ipad has a competitor less of the Samsung Galaxy. They love the android phones and talk about how they would never get an iphone, but still have no idea that there are android tablets.

Not one of them has ever even thought about getting a cheap android tablet off of ebay, less of my dad... Who quickly reconsidered when I reminded him of his early "iphone" knockoff.

There just isn't much talk about the Android Tablets yet... Which is sad since I see it as a far more suitable OS for the future of tablets. Who knows... Maybe Microsoft will release a windows on a tablet that can support most current day windows applications (less of heavy 3d games of the future...).
[Nook Color General] xwint3rxmut3x:
True, but thanks to Sears and K-Mart those tablets have been widely available to everyone for awhile beyond ebay. I agree with you one hundred percent, the few android tablets that have been released by reputable companies have not even been price competetive to the Ipad. So it's a combination of both, lack of decent AFFORDABLE android tablets, and influx of crap hardware android tablets that are giving us a bad name. (I work in IT and over the holiday's someone actually bought one of the Koby tablets and came in and asked us to configure it)
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
Well, right, which is why I think slowing down distribution of new builds to anyone is a bad move. If people know of Android tablets at all, it's from (a) commercials for cellphone-tied devices they don't want and can't afford or (b) dinky plastic models of devices in KMart.

But I was seriously considering the newer Coby with multitouch and camera -- was the one you saw remotely usable?
[Nook Color General] xwint3rxmut3x:
The one I saw was the rebrand of the shenzen X5a...I did honestly consider that one before it was realized the NC was a tablet monster in ereader form. She had the resistive screen that requires a sledgehammer to register responses due to the glass. Also no camera that i'm aware of
[Nook Color General] jahfry:
This sucks. I wanted HC on my Nook.

BUT, I completely understand it, and I don't really mind. Let them make the thing work to the level they feel comfortable with before they put their logo, market and apps on it. HC is still pretty messy right now ... and definitely NOT ready for phone primetime (which is part of what the announcement is about). They've treated us pretty darned good so far ... without Android where would we all be? That's right, trying to force GNOME to run well on tablets or just giving up and buying iPads.

I'm not a Google fan-boy, they've screwed things up more than once, but making sure that our platform of choice is polished enough to NOT go down the same path as things like "desktop linux" is -not- a bad thing. We're all just chomping at the bit because we want new features ... but things is ... we have them already. HC on my Nook is pretty darned stable for a SDK build and ... I bought a freakin e-reader, not a high-end tablet.

Relax folks, it will come out, and when it does we'll be some of the first people to see the upgrades and to have stable systems based on it. Yeah, the folks who paid $600+ for a couple of high-end tablets will see it first ... but is that really so evil?
[Nook Color General] smaskell:
I really wish android was licensed in such a way that it was open to anyone for non-commercial use only. If you want to sell it, you should have to get approval from google but otherwise you should be able to use it as much as you want. This would help developers who want to look at the code of some of the stock apps, as well as people who want to port it to existing devices.
[Nook Color General] poofyhairguy:
It is evil if they are paying premium prices for basically a beta OS.

Google can't have its cake and eat it to. Either Honeycomb is not ready to be released, and therefore it shouldn't be on ANY device, or it is ready and let us have at it!

I would have WAY more respect for Google if they just would have said "Motorola is paying us to get Honeycomb going, so they get it exclusive for a while."

The "we don't want it on cell phones" when people are already porting SDK releases to cell phones makes Google look like a pile of liars.

Your point is well taken though. In the long run I dream of a day when I have a tablet powerful enough to run ubuntu smoothly so I can leave behind this locked-down embedded-OS BS.
[Nook Color General] A. Nonymous:
How is it good for Google or Android if HC is running on crappy Kmart and Walgreens tablets? How is it good if some company you never heard of decides to put HC on a phone (which it's clearly not designed for)? How does that not confuse consumers?
[Nook Color General] tech_head:
Hi,

They are violating GNU, Apache and other open source licenses by not releasing the code. They borrow/steal from the open source community then don't want to give back.
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
xwin, the new Coby model that Amazon will start shipping soon has multitouch and a camera; Flash too I think. $179.

Nonymous, it's good because THERE IS NO ANDROID TABLET MARKET, and it would be nice if it existed sooner rather than later. Sorry but "confusing consumers" is just pure bull, it doesn't even have enough basis to be called a red herring.

It seems as if people just assume because Android came to phones after Apple (more or less) and still succeeded massively that the same will happen with tablets. I thought so too. But it's taking too damn long, the "market" won't wait forever, and other than B&N no manufacturer has come close to offering ANY competition to Apple. This is not like last time. And for the first time in history Apple is apparently selling something at a truly competitive (and currently the lowest) price.
[Nook Color General] xwint3rxmut3x:
whoa! I just googled this stuff http://www.cobyusa.com/?p=pcat&pcat_id=1013

not bad at all. My GF was asking me is she should buy a tablet (she wants to be able to play words with friends :D) This might be a great solution without her spending a ton of dough or getting a complete POS. Thanks for the heads up!

edit: and shipping with gingerbread....I should have knocked on wood earlier huh?
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
Still resistive screen except on the more expensive models though. I'm not sure how bad it would be, since I've had little issue with finger and fingernail use of resistive Windows Mobile and Palm phones. (I try not to remember the Blackberry Storm experience.)

It would be a decision about spending the extra money for a NookColor and losing the camera and capacitive screen... And I think the Cobys come with a case. :)
[Nook Color General] xwint3rxmut3x:
Just depends what you're doing with the tablet. I have a nokia N900 and besides lack of multitouch and being able to use a stylus you can't even tell it's not capacitive. But the lack of multitouch is really obvious when trying to play any games, and with a cortex A8 at 1ghz and 512 mb of ram that kinda sucks, the resolution on those is terrible too. Resistive screens basically come down to the quality of the screen and planned usage, i'd wait on these guys until some reviews show up. For the capacitive model i'd for sure get the nook. The internals are better (at least the screen for sure) and the dev community behind it is outstanding.
[Nook Color General] xdabr:
So which one are you getting for your girlfriend? ;)
[Nook Color General] xwint3rxmut3x:
hahahahaha, no the question is which is she getting herself? :D I am merely the consultant on this purchase.
[Nook Color General] smaskell:
ever heard of the HP Slate 500, Asus EP121, Fujitsu Q550 or any other tablet pc out there? I've been running ubuntu on my convertible tablet(fujitsu t5010) since the day I got it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ashendare:
My 1 yr old son threw my phone (evo 4g) into the toilet while I was getting him a towel to dry off, it was in there for a minute or two. I took it out, disassembled it, and let it dry for 3 days. I'm going to head over to sprint and get a new battery and see if it works or not... anybody know the likelihood that it will/will not? or whether it is easily fixable or not?

Also, does anybody know how/where I could get a replacement phone for cheap if the phone is broken? can I do it through sprint somehow or not?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plainjane:
It most likely won't work, even with a battery. Water damage voids your warranty. Even if you don't tell them, they'll be able to tell by the strip inside the phone.

If you have insurance, I'm so glad that I do, you can file it with Asurion and it will be $100. If not, you're probably out of luck.

Sorry, that really sucks!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
If you have insurance through Sprint, the replacement will cost you $100 for the deductible. I had to order one yesterday and they are out of stock, and it will be 7-10 days before they can ship me a phone.

I've know that putting the phone in a bowl or a sock full of dry white rice will help to absorb any moisture inside the phone. What you use to hold the rice is not important; it's the rice that does the trick. You may want to to that over night before you go out and get a new battery.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elapshtc:
what you left the toilet seat up!?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilverStone641:
This is absolutely true. A buddy of mine dropped his iphone in the pool and immediately threw it in a bag of rice for 2-3 days. it came out just fine. Just FYI, this doesn't reverse the moisture detection strips(obviously) but it might pull your phone from the grave. I do know the last thing you want to do is turn it on until you're absolutely sure it's dry. good luck!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adamantypants:
The thing about our smartphones is that the chips are so small and sensitive to anything that isn't supposed to be there. My mom once washed AND dried her dumbphone (think it was a sammy) and it came back! If it does come back after the rice trick then congrats!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lovespancakes96:
My sister did the same thing with her epic she just put a new battery in it a took it to best buy and said it just stopped working and they didn't take it apart and she hot a new one. I know this is kind of stealing but if you don't want to pay alot for a replacement ...
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xxMAGICxx:
I dont know what happened but whenever im texting somebody all of my messages are on the top and the person im texting are all on bottom. How do I get it back to where its one after the other, like it should be. Any Help would be great! Thx
[Android Software Development] gnargle:
I have a great idea for a replacement launcher, but I have no previous coding experience. How difficult would it be for a first time coder to build a launcher?

And if it's going to be ridiculously hard to do, and you'd like to hear the idea, feel free to message me, you may be able to help! :)
[Android Software Development] Dark3n:
There is an example launcher from old android versions in the SDK.

You could start by taking a look at that.
[Android Software Development] smaskell:
if you have no coding experience, it's going to be very hard

I've done a year and a half of a software engineering degree and I'm currently working on the android development team at Broadcom as a coop work term. I probably wouldn't want to start trying to write a launcher(unless it was just a few modifications on the stock launcher) so I couldn't even imagine trying to do it without any coding experience. I'm not trying to say that I'm a master programmer (very far from it) but I certainly have more than zero experience.
[Android Software Development] FroztIkon:
I've looked at it myself and it seems rather difficult, however, perhaps there's a tutorial or guide somewhere that might help out?
[Android Software Development] digitalcoder:
Lots (years) of fundamentals to learn first .....
[Android Software Development] gnargle:
Oh, not fun. Guess it's just a pipe-dream, then.
[Android Software Development] Dark3n:
You never know how hard it is unless you try.

Take a look at the SDK examples, there is a basic launcher.