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[Xoom General] mrksbrd:
Not seeing anything for the past week or so when it comes to development, kernel updates, custom themes....etc. Has development halted already? Would be satisfied even with a debloated, optimized stock Honeycomb ROM. The Thunderbolt had its first ROM 2 days after launch and it was opened up before it was even released...what gives, a so called open tablet and nothing. Anything to give me faith again that I don't own a 800.00 bookend would be appreciated.

Then I was thinking about the Nexus One.....Maybe this Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tablet market & will be the developmental Tablet that everyone does everything on.....I'm just so confused at this point I don't know what to do
[Xoom General] ksc6000:
Honeycomb source hasn't been released = No custom ROMs
[Xoom General] mrksbrd:
Not even able to remove bloat & optimize what we have?
[Xoom General] ksc6000:
I'm sure bloatware could be removed, but optimizing I think would require our Devs to actually have the source code to optimize
[Xoom General] sleeplessninja:
I am confused by your post. What is bloated on the Xoom? It pretty much is a stock OS. You can root it, boost it to 1.5GHz, hook USB flash to it. What features are you exactly looking for?

Its an enjoyable browsing experience, the flash works pretty well, its great for reading ebooks and pdfs, you can listen to your music, watch videos, stream tv, connect to your desktop and have full access to your windows apps(or mac). Look at all your pictures, and if you take advantage of googles cloud, you can store them there and synch it with your phone and tablet without having to store them directly on your devices. It has a great RSS reader, N64 / SNES apps and hook a Wii controller up and have a console like experience, video chat, heck you can hook it up to a HD widescreen and it maintains the perfect aspect ratio and looks great, organize view and reply to emails, explore a really feature filled Map application with a great navigation features. You can even rant about Xoom features from your XDA App :) . Maybe you dont' agree, which is perfectly cool. Personal opinions are great and should always be respected. But I really am enjoying my Xoom, this is my first tablet, so maybe I am missing something that should be there.
[Xoom General] goldsworthy:
All done with my xoom:

I will say, that I have had some fun with my xoom, but with any toy the xoom in my house has joined my other obsolete toys on my closet shelf. It was a interesting tablet computer I just haven't found much use for my xoom other than playing converted movies. I will just leave it in the box on the shelf, and someday someone will buy it from me at one of my wife's garage sales.
[Xoom General] ocdtrekkie:
I agree with this. There's really nothing missing right now. Nor is there much bloat to remove. Dungeon Defenders? Sure, you could root and remove it, but it's a nice way to show off what the tablet can do.

Down the line, when Moto stops providing proper updates or something, a ROM might be warranted. But with the likelihood of this getting pure stock Android for at least a year to come, means there's really no need for a ROM right now.

Not sure how a tablet doesn't make it into your daily routine. It's the first thing I grab in the morning now (after it wakes me up, of course)
[Xoom General] mrksbrd:
I don't know, the way this was marketed it should have bells, whistles, screaming sirens and the ability to control NASA........@ least that is what I grabbed out of all the ads, commercials I have saw. I wanted something that came outta the hole like the OG Droid. I know it's still in its baby's footsteps but my main thing is it not taking full availability of this monster Tegra 2. According to the specs of this chip the Xoom is only using 1/16 of its capability. And the other thing I would like is for it to be snappy and responsive....AAAAAHHHHH maybe I'm asking too much, I am just at a crossroad right now & need re-alignment.
[Xoom General] goldsworthy:
HEY! the xoom also makes for a nice calculator if nothing else!.
[Xoom General] PaulG1488:
You should already be satisfied then because there is no bloat on here which makes it a pure google experience device and once source is released i expect it to be the nexus one of tablets
[Xoom General] goldsworthy:
"once source is released ?" you meen IF SOURCE IS RELEASED they may never do so!. I still dont have a SD card slot that workes in my xoom.
[Xoom General] Droid-Xer:
Its a stock google device. Bloat? Cordy and dungeon defenders? Rename apk to bak in root explorer and they're gone. It'll be ROMmed eventually but right now just enjoy pure honeycomb minus lame blur skin.

Source will be released once more tabs are out. Lame ass tabs are hacked and OSs thrown on them that shouldn't be. Google is protecting their prized OS from being hacked onto a 7"gtab or nook.
[Xoom General] funnycreature:
I don't think it has to do with the loss of enthusiasm but the lack of the source as stated by other posters. Maybe spirits have been dampened by Google's decision to delay the release of the source code but once it's release there will be a fresh breeze of ROMs. :)
[Xoom General] kjdocs:
Poll options suck

can't vote as none of the poll options support my thoughts.

"Everything I dreamed of"
[Xoom General] socomdark:
I think this says it best. People are disappointed that source isn't being released soon but it definitely doesn't it won't be. They have released source for each one so far doesn't make sense that they would stop now
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Above I started a thread entitled: "Is Motorola Ditching Android." If anyone bothers to read the linked article, it presents a possible motivation for not releasing the source code:

WAR

The hardware companies are starting to talk about breaking away from Google. HP has purchased palm and is releasing its own tablet. Now Motorola is rumored to be considering the same thing. The Blackberry Playbook Tablet is now up for pre-order on Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iPad-Tablet-PCs/Tablet-PCs/pcmcat209000050008.c?id=pcmcat209000050008

The Holy Grail in this business is to own BOTH the OS and the hardware. Know any other company who has done this? Begins with an A... named after a fruit....

Perhaps Google is reconsidering just how open-source it wants to be.
[Xoom General] Kcarpenter:
We can't have a deodexed or optimized rom until the smali utilities are updated, which requires honey comb source to drop.
[Xoom General] _RTFM_:
Take off your aluminum hat for a moment.

I hope you understand that the "holy grail" as you put it is a bit more complicated than you think. For those of us who ummmm....read and know ****. We refer to thing like that with a really fancy phrase called "vertical integration". Also, remember Apple is a vertical integration monster, owning the hardware, OS, AND * drum-roll* distribution channels. They've built their company up like this. Motorola is still a long way from having this sort of capability. They don't even own all their hardware. The article you posted contains statements taken out of context. Complaints like those are hardly rare and mostly amount to nothing.

I can promise you google will release the source code for Honeycomb. It is no surprise that they are withholding a product that was specifically designed for and still incomplete on the xoom. If they put out the source code small companies as well as every **** and jane could peddle incredibly ****ty software with google branding with a side pile of bricks large enough to build a bridge to russia. They rushed the release because of the Ipad 2. **** works OK. Give them some time to make 3.0 play nice with pretty much everything else, and if that includes phones, it might take awhile. Be patient.
[Xoom General] sleeplessninja:
All of this is not entirely true. The Holy Grail in business doesn't always mean you have to do hardware and OS. One pure example of where it didn't work out as planned is Nokia. Grant it there is more involved that just this, but it just serves as an example.

Mobile is a very complex platform that involves many, many factors. In fact one of Apples biggest moves in our decade was to switch from making their own in house processors(their own hardware) and to go with x86 Intel Chips (someone elses hardware). Yes apple puts the hardware together, but its not just their own hardware. Even for the iphone and ipad, do you know who makes the CPU/GPU for Apple phones? They partnered with a company called Samsung, who also makes android phones.

Motorola isn't rumored to be making their own OS, they are, but the kind of OS they are looking to build is much different from the android or apple. From what I have read in the technology articles they are building a web based phones, which is still very much an untapped market and will most likely be different than a smartphone experience. Motorola has done a solid job with the android platform so far. I love my droid, the droid X is great, the Atrix is a smart idea, and the Xoom is a solid device(all my personal opinion) , I think motorola is one of the best android devices out there right now and it makes sense for them to explore new territory, like they did with the Atrix. Honestly the other companies like HP need to find a way to compete in a sea of android devices especially with great manufactures like HTC and Motorola, i think its smart that they choose to differentiate themselves.(again my opinion)

There is no right way to do a business. Whether you choose to focus in do good in one thing, or create an empire that does many amazing things, every business has their way to what they do. I am not dissing apple, android, microsoft, nokia, you or anyone. But please you cannot break down these very complex companies with thousands of employees, dozens of divisions across the world into simple black and white answers.
[Xoom General] sleeplessninja:
Thank you what I mostly feel as well.
[Xoom General] jimbob_me:
Can't compare the nexus one to the xoom cause the nexus one actually worked when it was released. My nexus one is still faster than many of today's current phones.

Xoom is just a classic case of hardware not being well integrated enough with the software on launch. If moto released it in April, and ironed out all the bugs first, the tablet would probably be ok!
[Xoom General] xlGmanlx:
Moto won't be the ones releasing source that will come Google, relax folks
[Xoom General] _RTFM_:
OR they could release the tablet sooner, have a leg up on the Ipad 2, keep fixing the software and STILL have everything ironed out by April. It's a business brah. :eek:
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
I tried taking off my aluminum hat for a while, but the alien voices in my head returned - Kept telling me: "Buy a XOOM, Buy a XOOM, Buy a XOOM...very distracting..
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Very well put and informative response. Thanks.

" the kind of OS they are looking to build is much different from the android or apple. From what I have read in the technology articles they are building a web based phones, which is still very much an untapped market and will most likely be different than a smartphone experience."

Interesting point.
[Xoom General] socomdark:
Yes the nexus one worked but it wasn't without its flaws too. Otherwise their wouldn't have been a 2.2.1 or 2.2.2 update. Same thing with gingerbread. The xoom is stable enough for consumer use but honeycomb probably still needs some refinements before devs start romming/porting it
[Xoom General] cwizardtx:
Sell your Xoom and get the Ipad5, obviously. Or just wait for the Galaxy tab XXIV
[Xoom General] falconeight:
Here is my view and I wish the xoom was worthy. I bought it day one because the hardware and new honeycomb os was very promising. I love my nexus one and it has a permanent place as a collectors item, alongside my bold 9700 and iPhone. When I opened it up and began using it I was more than content. The screen was decent, keyboard responsive, had a few nice apps, and the battery had great life. Then after a day or two I grew bored. There is no media for the device. Netflix, hulu, or something decent would be nice. Then it crashed often and that got annoying. The galaxy tab has da sings movie download service and gives you $50 to use it. iPad has everything that you would need. I wanted and want to like xoom or honeycomb for that matter, but right now neither are ready.
[Xoom General] land2634:
Ha, I hope I stumble across your wife's garage sale...
[Xoom General] mobilehavoc:
Just because they're not ready for you doesn't mean they're not ready. I find it fun buying something early and riding along as things are fixed and updated. Its a blast.
[Droid Pro General] eus107709:
I've been leaving it on "Global" for months now and the battery doesn't seem to suffer much from it. I think removing "global unplug" and some of the other crapware fixed the battery drain. Over the weekend, I didn't use my phone much..forgot to charge it for two days. It is now over 48 hours and the phone is crying for a charge (blinking red light), but its still alive! :D

Notes:

Datasync is on.. emails don't use much data apparently. Neither does Gtalk.

GPS is on.. and as predicted, doesn't use any power at all unless the satellite icon is on.
[Droid Pro General] LeoBloom.:
When I change my phone to CDMA, I frequently am told (in places with no service like subway tunnels) that my phone cannot find any CDMA networks, would I like to revert to Global? It is very annoying, has anyone found a way to turn that off?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MCA_07:
Hey everybody who is reading this, to make a long story short, I NEED HELP OVERCLOCKING MY G2!! A detailed explanation would be greatly accepted, thanks :)
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ilostchild:
if rooted get cm7 then go to settings and cm settings click on preformance, then choose cpu settings and click desired cpu OC..

if on a different rom get setcpu or somthing close to that.. and it has simple GUI to OC the phone
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackknightavalon:
Click on the link in my signature that says "overclocked."
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OriginalGabriel:
You'll need an OCd kernel; if running the stock ROM, Baconbits is the only stable one, to my knowledge. Check the sticky for a list of kernels and see which one works for your setup.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheMod'sPolice:
I think you need to try again
[HTC Inspire 4G] dortok:
When I try to install Cestos 2 from Market or from backup through Titanium, the phone restarts before it can install. It happens with a couple other games too. What can be the problem? I am using stock optimized ROM v2
[HTC Inspire 4G] doost650:
I have stock everything never rooted, and i have the same problem. Whenever i try to install or upgrade certain apps mainly the apps that were preinstalled. My phone restarts.
[HTC Inspire 4G] klquicksall:
You might want to try un checking fastboot. Titanium backup has caused problems for me. I don't use it anymore. Try re downloading from the market.
[HD2 General] christop911:
MY PHONE IN TRI COLOR ONLY SAY

PB811** SS-B3

SPL-2.08.0000 8G XE

MicroP(LED) 0X05

DONT MICRO TOUCH??????

AND THE TOUCH PAD DOESNOT WORK PLEASE

HELPPPPPPPPP ME!!!!
[HD2 General] T-Macgnolia:
Have you tryied a hard reset or reflashing your current ROM? If neither of these things help you out then you have a hardware issue.
[HD2 General] hellraiser-rh:
Backup immediately!

same here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12633989&posted=1#post12633989
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BDB Dominator 420:
What font is used on the cm7 Destroyer rom?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nabbed:
English grammar please?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aimbdd:
Way to be an ass.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dean_fx:
You're a clown dude. The comment doesn't even make sense. If you knew a thing or two you would clearly understand that his question was actually legit. Nothing wrong with it.

Idiot.

--- Anyway, I don't have the exact answer to your question but I am friends with the dev & team from this rom. You can use IRC and talk to them here:

android.demonirc.net

#cm7ex

Speak to Magnus, Bibs or Cookie.

or any of the people in the room may be able to help you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BDB Dominator 420:
Thanks bro I'll give it a shot.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BDB Dominator 420:
I think it's explora
[Atrix 4G General] pumasmedina7:
Im ready to upgrade what phone you guys think its better the htc inpire or the moto atrix
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
Well your on the atrix forums so obviously everyone here picked the atrix. In your sig you bought an inspire already....and there's already like 15 threads here about inspire vs atrix

Sent from my Nook Color on Honeycomb 1.2 OC
[Atrix 4G General] pumasmedina7:
Ok but what do you think obout the atrix i like to hear from people who really owned the phone
[Atrix 4G General] Mustang302LX:
I got rid of the garbage phone called the Inspire after like 5 days. The battery life blows big time and the speaker volume at max sounds like a stereo on volume level 3. The atrix runs much better IMO and is more future proof. It may not have all the ROMs and Kernels the Inspire does but oh well I'd rather not carry a charger around everywhere I go or miss phone calls and texts due to a horrendous speaker.
[Atrix 4G General] pumasmedina7:
U are right so far thats what i dont like about the inspire. But hows the atrix? Is it hard to root and can i get custom rooms?
[Atrix 4G General] AllTheWay:
I have both phones and I do say that the Atrix does have a better speaker. When you root and put another ROM on the Inspire that sound quality and volume improves signifigantly.

Also by flashing another ROM on the Inspire the battery life improved as well. I also picked up a spare 1800mAh batter from www.obostore.com and my battery life is even better. Also throwing juicedender on your phone also improves a lot. You can totally customize your battery with just that app.

For me it was a tuff choice to make but I decided to keep both of them. I love HTC and the sense UI. It trully feels personalized with how much HTC software is put into the phone. The Atrix is more bland but what it lacks in sytle it makes up in power. The performance difference between the two phones is noticable in the Atrix favor. It's going to be interesting to see how the Atrix holds up against the LG Thrill with the dual core TI processor. I have my money on the graphics processor company instead of the the calculator manufacturer.
[Atrix 4G General] pumasmedina7:
So what would you recomend
[Atrix 4G General] AllTheWay:
I leave it up to the end user. If you like the software that HTC provides then go with that. Also the 4.3" is really nice to have.

The Atrix has that raw power that practically no phones pocess to date. It's really a hard choice in my opinion. Both phones are going to be good choices. If price is a matter then deff go with the Inspire.
[Atrix 4G General] pumasmedina7:
I dont care bout price i just want to have the top of the line phone but i hate apple and its isucks i mean iphone
[Atrix 4G General] thepcpilot:
I tried the Inspire on Thursday. The HTC sense was awesome, But the

speaker volume is low and tiny. Also noticed signal strength was not as

good as my iphone. I returned it yesterday. I'm thinking of going back to AT&T today to pickup an Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
well i've had my atrix for a few weeks now and i would definitly recommend it over the inspire, it's not hard to root, and the ADEO rom is really nice, u can't really fully get the feel of a phone in the store(i found that out back when i had the HTC Touch Pro 2 which i regret buying), but the Atrix totally blows the inspire out of the water when it comes to performance and that's a major key when buying a phone, yea the outside of the phone is important to, but you wouldn't buy a Ferrari with the engine of a pinto lol, so definitly go with the Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] pumasmedina7:
Thsnks a lot i think im go to att today and getthe atrix
[Atrix 4G General] CB620:
All the so called issues u are referring to can be fixed by flashing a custom rom. I was torn between making a decision but I chose the inspire because the atrix clearly lacks dev support. I like modding and overclocking. The atrix looks like a beast but there are no true mods for it. Who wants gingerblur? Lol
[Atrix 4G General] CB620:
But I would suggest watching videos and looking in forums because you may want the phone for diff reasons. I buy phones based on what it can do after root.
[Atrix 4G General] CB620:
You clearly didnt flash a good rom or kernel Or care to try to improve the hardware.Im running leedroid and im overclocked at 1.8ghz and get 10hrs plus daily. If I want motoblur ill pull my cliq out the basement
[Atrix 4G General] pumasmedina7:
Ok but what bout the speaker i think its to small on the inspire
[Atrix 4G General] CB620:
There is a audio boost zip file that boosts audio way pass the limit. Its built in all the roms.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
Had an inspire, tried like 4 roms, audio fixes, OCing, and cm7. Same story crappy to almost acceptable battery life, low volume, bogs even with a 1.8 oc because it's still a single core cpu, almost no internal media storage, and slower ddr ram.

The only things the inspire has over the atrix imo is bigger screen (which could go either way based on preference)and hsupa (which att is enabling 4g in april supposedly so thats valid for only another month). I'd mention roms as a plus but all the do is try to fix the crap already wrong with the phone.
[Atrix 4G General] getabetterpic:
Don't know if anyone has posted this or not, but the size is what made me go with the Atrix. The Inspire made me shift my hand to reach the unlock button, then shift again to reach the home or back button. The Atrix just fits.
[Atrix 4G General] CB620:
Lol
[Atrix 4G General] CB620:
Plenty of reviews I watched brought both of them to a tie. So I dont really see how the atrix surpasses the inspire besides being a dual core. And wat phone doesnt launch with bugs. What about yall lag issue when using the scanner. Id rather have a htc over any other manufacturer.
[Atrix 4G General] CB620:
Thats understandable
[Atrix 4G General] elite_is3:
this is the EXACT reason i didnt get an inspire.

Speakerphone is ****, and the BIGGEST factor was the hardware wasnt up to par with all the new stuff going DUAL CORE. So it was an easy choice.
[Atrix 4G General] nickleson:
I had the atrix but returned it because I had horrible call quality. Everyone commented on how well they could hear me after I got my inspire which was a definitely a great thing.

Performance wise the inspire is way better when it comes to random lag and also when it comes to UI. Blur is just a pile a poop when it comes to how smooth it is. Tegra 2 was nice and could easily handle all the graphics that I needed rendered but it was such a power hog. I sadly get about the same battery life with my inspire than with the atrix. I'm getting about 12 hours of very heavy use with the inspire and about 16 with normal day to day use with 30% left. The atrix sucked up battery even when it was in stand by which was a little annoying. Battery life was about the same when it came to amount of time used but I think I get more with the inspire.
[Atrix 4G General] plmiller0905:
When I had the inspire the sound quality from the back speaker was horrible. Much props to the devs that put the sound zip together but I didn't think the sound was any better in my opinion. The sound quality was also low when recording video.
[Atrix 4G General] FLAC Vest:
I had the Atrix and took it back,looking to see how the Inspire is but I don't feel like running to ATT, upgrading, then taking it back after a few weeks.

There are a lot of good things about each phone, it just depends on what you're looking for.

I would love for sosomeone to elaborate on the Atrix being future proof though, especially in comparison to other phones just because it is dual core, I see that a lot but I can't seem to figure out why.... thanks.