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[HTC EVO 3D] DuoM:
Sony Ericsson will let you unlock the bootloader on new Xperia Android phones

And now Sony Ericsson say that they will unlock your bootloader:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/29/sony-ericsson-will-let-you-unlock-bootloader-on-new-xperia-andro/

http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/devel...e-boot-loader-in-the-new-xperia™-smartphones/

Where is HTC when it comes to supporting the dev community that made their phones usable for so many years?
[HTC EVO 3D] xfullmetal17:
The hacker's response to a locked bootloader:

In all reality, though, this is the one thing holding me back from the Evo 3D. If the bootloader *is* locked/encrypted, that's going to be a huge turn-off. There is no way I'm going back to having an unrooted phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] Eat it iPhone:
Lol one of the reasons iPhone users jailbreak is to install non app store apps...which u can do on Android without root (except on ATT I think). As for speed I've never considered my Evo to be slow. Even stock the UI was smooth.

Consider that android does; live wallpaper, multitasking, themes, and widgets on multiple workplaces vs what iPhone does...app shortcuts.

Sent from my Evo. Powered by MikFroyo, netarchy, XDA, and the tears of iPhone owners
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
Well yeah I never said it was slow it keeps up with the speed but the battery drain like a b*** and I hate it I use two phones all day long an iPhone for work (free from my company) and my Evo I loke both the same but I go thru 2 batteries on my Evo and one full charge on my iPhone and I thought it was because I used the Evo a lot but then I start using the iPhone more to see the results and yeah the iPhone has a good battery and handles what a regular person want in multi task, btw I took all Widgets off and all extra stuff on Evo and I left push notifications on the iPhone to make it fair and I get more calls on the iPhone cause of work
[HTC EVO 3D] peachpuff:
You can root a locked down phone, just look at the moto atrix, they still have roms(themes and stuff) but you can't touch the modem and kernel.
[HTC EVO 3D] ZeDestructor:
So, as most of these bootloader threads, this has derailed into a locked v/s encrypted debate. In short, whats the status on the Evo 3D/Thunderbolt? Is it locked and encrypted, locked or completely open?

P.S: I am a newb, so please be kind D:
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
well they have fully rooted the thunderbolt from what i can tell since they have kernels and such available there. The Atrix however still seems to be a lil locked down. You can get roms for it but no kernels yet. Though the Atrix is a motorola and the thunderbolt is HTC so its much likely that we will have to deal with the bootloader thats locked along the same lines as the thunderbolt, or the other recently released htc devices.
[HTC EVO 3D] ZeDestructor:
I see. Do we have any news on the status of the EVO 3D/HTC Sensation regarding bootloader encryption, since unlocking it seems to be easy but decrypting near impossible...
[HTC EVO 3D] BigRick10:
Sensation has a locked bootloader. HTC reps confirmed it at the event today.
[HTC EVO 3D] Diamondback:
All the new HTC devices have a somewhat "locked" bootloader...

The question is not wether it's locked but wether it's encrypted (-->Motorola)

Since Desire HD they even have a NAND-Lock, but guess what, it is since more or less day one ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
This is xda, I'm sure someone can figure it out. Can anybody say Cotulla.
[HTC EVO 3D] ZeDestructor:
Saw this on lifehacker today. It would seem that HTC is progressively going the motorola route with signed/encrypted bootloaders :(

h**p://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Yeah HTC phones are locked down pretty tight now. HTC Thunderbolt users got lucky to have an older RUU available that was exploitable. The HTC Incredible S folks aren't having any luck after over a month of trying now:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=980497

Desire S users can't even get a temporary root running.

Hopefully Sprint doesn't mandate a total lockdown (given that the Nexus S probably won't have a full lockdown, its possible.) Either way Evo 3D is still overall a good phone if you aren't interested in modifying it.
[HTC EVO 3D] ZeDestructor:
I guess I'll be avoiding HTC for the forseeable future then :( The Sensation was looking so nice as well...
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Well I wouldn't count it out just yet, it's always possible that somebody will find an exploit that will work across all sense implementations. My only point in the above post is that there's no guarantees of "somebody will figure it out" because on many phones that hasn't been the case.
[HTC EVO 3D] ZeDestructor:
It could be, but if in the next 1-3 months nobody finds it, the LG Optimus 2X or 3D is what I'll get.
[HTC EVO 3D] Maedhros:
Well...

Knowing HTC they will release a varient in Europe.

+ the Sensation should have the same bootloader encrypt on it.

Chances are that when 1 of these devices gets cracked... so will the others.

I don't see a device like this NOT getting custom roms.

Just dosen't seem possible.

OT: Why is HTC going all motorola and SE? I mean even SE is unlocking Bootload FFS!
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Because of all the dumbass people bricking their phones. Blame it on the noobs.
[HTC EVO 3D] OneStepAhead:
seriously? I find iDevices unusable without a jailbreak, so I strongly disagree that they "don't have to deal with hacks". I also find the iOS look extremely boring, another reason you need to jailbreak. I'm beyond frustrated with my iPad 2 purchase as it's been over a month now and I feel like I own a $600 paperweight!
[HTC EVO 3D] OneStepAhead:
I doubt that is widespread enough to justify locking the phone down. let's hope google gives out the Evo 3D is year to all the devs again, best way to insure we have unlocked NAND.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I'd have to say it's probably all of the tethering charges being avoided when people tether their rooted phones. It costs a lot of money on their network and it slows down others when tethering a lot.
[HTC EVO 3D] BigRick10:
That is not it as other bootloader locked down phones can still get root and install wireless tether. Its the kernel we can't touch.
[HTC EVO 3D] ZeDestructor:
Data is data. it shouldn't matter what I use to access the net. If your network can't handle that much data, then cap it or something. Its no excuse to lock down phones.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
I'm not convinced that this is a carrier specific issue, I think it's entirely up to the handset manufacturer. The reason I say this is because rumor has it that Samsung will not be locking down bootloaders unless Google asks them to, and Google wouldn't have any reason to do that.

http://phandroid.com/2011/04/17/source-samsung-will-not-lock-bootloaders-unless-google-requires-it/

We'll see how things turn out once the Nexus S comes around. If it isn't locked but the Evo 3D is, then it's definitely a manufacturer issue and not a carrier one.

What makes this one so special? The HTC Desire S and Incredible S are both phones that have both a US and European version, and neither of them have been cracked even though it has been over a month and a half since release.

It's certainly possible they'll be cracked, but it's not impossible that they won't. I've seen other highly sought after devices never get cracked years after release.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Only thing that leaves me hope is that the Evo Dev community seems to be a tad bigger and in some aspects id like to say better too. I might be wrong but I dont think I am in saying that. I think/hope that once the 3D comes out and the Devs here get hands on it, we might hopefully get some more progress on the rooting of the whole thing down the the core.
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
I think it's pretty safe to say the 3d will be rooted. The evo was rooted before it was even released and the person who did it said they are getting one of these.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
Did the evo have an encrypted bootloader?
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
It was locked and the updates signed but not encrypted.
[HTC EVO 3D] lafester:
First of all data is not data. It may be to YOU but it certainly isn't to Sprint.

Tethering definitely increases data usage and there is no way you can argue that it doesn't.

Second... of course it's an excuse to lock down phones! why else would they do it?

Don't get me wrong... I tether and so should everyone else. Just don't be an ass and use 20+ gb/mo and ruin it for everyone :)
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
I think it'll be worth seeing what the Nexus S brings. As I mentioned earlier, if the Nexus S doesn't come with a locked bootloader, then it's not a tethering thing.
[HTC EVO 3D] Halabeaster54:
its definitely going have a locked bootloader! are you kidding its htc's flagship device, their baby. They don't want us effing with it. do you want someone effing with your kid? no, unless you give consent. They're not giving us consent to eff with their baby, they'd rather you have get it in with a sgs2
[HTC EVO 3D] BigRick10:
This made me laugh!
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I've read somewhere that the tethering program required a Net filtered kernel, which I believe is modded (correct me if i'm mistaken.)

But changing kernel attributes hugely increases the chance of bricking devices (Samsung epic users have had TWO kernels now brick many user devices.) We're too greedy for quick speeds that we harm our processors by overclocking it to the maximum! I'm somewhat guilty, but with my Samsung epic, I've had it set to 1000 max (stock) for quite awhile now, as it's quick enough.
[HTC EVO 3D] Samzebian:
this reminds me of my manager at work. Ha she talks about tech like this sometimes.
[HTC EVO 3D] r0cky0790:
Whoever thinks the evo 3d would have a locked boatlaoder your crazy it was clearly stated @ http://phandroid.com/2011/03/22/htc...pecs-revealed-ahead-of-official-announcement/ that there will be no locked bootloader on the evo 3d. The creators of this phone are definitely aware of the developer community and appreciative to them as well. I qoute when the man says they have definitely kept the upkeep of evo fresh and up to date. In lamess terms the developer community has kept evos flying off the shelf because everyone wants a device they can totally control and devs have really made that possible with the evo. Now that I look at the phandroid website the specs I once saw aren't on there anymore. There was a memo from one of the creators of the evo 3d explaining all specs some people may not be aware of like no bootloader lock and no fps cap. If you don't believe me wait and see and just remember this post once you get one in your hands.

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[HTC EVO 3D] BigRick10:
They got that info from a HTC forum member but half of the stuff he said want even true. He said the phone would come with a kickstand. Didn't happen. So right now I'm not holding my breath. I just hope Sprint picks up a LG device at this point.
[HTC EVO 3D] r0cky0790:
WHAT, kickstand? Dude I read the page a hundred times just for the excitement and not on sentence mentioned anything about a kickstand. I know you don't know what your talking about because why would he say it comes with a kickstands and the pictures of the evo 3d came out way before he made any comments on any specs. Secondly, that piece of crap LG wont even compare to the evo 3d. Matter of fact their would be know 3d device that would top the evo 3d for the next year or 2. Just like when the evo dropped.

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[HTC EVO 3D] BigRick10:
I have a feeling we aren't talking about the same user but if we are. He started talking about specs like a couple days before the EVO3D was shown. He got some stuff right but others wrong.

This is the post where he mentions the kickstand. He also says the front facing camera is 3mp. Which he also got wrong. All I'm saying is anything he has said should not be taken too seriously. We will just have to wait and see.

http://androidforums.com/2450295-post541.html
[HTC EVO 3D] r0cky0790:
Naw that dude must be a wanna be. This was from an official who actually had some doing in creating the new evo. But like you said time will tell.

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[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
hhahaha if your talking about the post that is in the comments you have been fooled like the rest. the post in the comments there in that link you showed above (http://phandroid.com/2011/03/22/htc...pecs-revealed-ahead-of-official-announcement/) is nothing but someone posting one of the androidforums.com member BSOD's post; which i assume is what BigRock was talking about.

saying that stuff in the "comments" is a valid source is just silly bud. the Evo3D will deff have a locked bootloader. As mentioned before the Evo4G was locked too. Big diff b/w locked and encrypted.

The problem now is that we all must hope the only reason the other recent HTC devices that are still NOT fully unlocked are just b/c the dev's there are not out in full force like the Evo. We have to admit we are all spoiled with one of the best dev communities for any phone out there here!
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
Last line says it all. We have nothing to fear.

Sent from my HTC Evo running CM7
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
A thought just occurred to me. Carriers get a cut of the 30% fee google charges for app purchases. How much of this goes to the OEM? It makes me wonder if loading an AOSP rom eliminates the ability of the market to detect which OEM to credit that purchase to.

Perhaps that is why they lock the bootloaders; they want to protect their revenue stream. If you think about it, these phones are sold very cheap compared to what they actually cost. How much of that is subsidized by the carrier is questionable. They take $150 off of the price of the phone, but these things have to have a real cost at least in the range of $600-$800.
[HTC EVO 3D] agrabren:
We will all see when the phone finally ships. I'm really hopeful it's unlocked, as we've done some amazing things to the EVO. And that has included fixing a few bugs in HTC's kernel code...
[HTC EVO 3D] 063_XOBX:
It's not going to be unlocked, it will definitely be at the very least signed, but we can still hope it isn't encrypted.
[HTC EVO 3D] Pinepig:
There is no way, an Iphone4 has 188$ worth of parts.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
The parts are only a tiny portion of the total cost. You've got engineering, research and development, software development, assembly, marketing, etc etc etc. These things aren't free.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
Exactly, they make most of their money from the carriers. I found out I pay over $2,000 a year for Sprint, and Sprint's the cheapest.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
It will probably most likely be locked since the phone is similar to the HTC sensation hell their almost the same exact phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattfmartin:
I will be highly pissed if cm7 doesn't end up in this phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] 063_XOBX:
It would lose the whole 3D thing if CM does end up on the Evo3D. Not that anyone would care.
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I haven't see. An encrypted bootloader on sprint yet. It's possible that it's htc doing the wrong. We'll find out when the 3d comes out.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
I think that is more of Verizon's doing. You know they hate rooted phones. I know I returned several phones rooted on T-Mobile. They don't even care. Hell T-Mobile knows about cyanogen and gives him a free g-slate. Have a feeling its going to be hackable when evo3d and the sensation are out.
[HTC EVO 3D] Pinepig:
Facepalm.

Economies of scale, how does it work.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Ok so you go start a non-profit company, build a smartphone from scratch, and crank them out for less than $200 a crack, telling your customers that all they have to pay for is the parts. Let me know how that works out for you.

Honestly if you could do that, hell licensing your business model to any of these companies alone would make you billions, never mind actually building any phones yourself. How would it work anyways? What you give a bunch of monkeys a drawing board and some crayons, and then have china build you a factory for 10 cents?
[HTC EVO 3D] Pinepig:
Woosh, please google economies of scale.

I'll give ya a hint, if they only made one, yeah it would cost a ****load, now make a million of them.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Yes and why do you think I asked you to start a company and produce phones for that cheap?

If you think it can be done, prove it, show me the numbers. I want to know how you figure a phone will cost less than $200. The HTC Evo itself retailed for $600.
[HTC EVO 3D] aimbdd:
It retailed for 600... because people will buy/ sprint will buy it for close to 600.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
not exactly part of the argument they are having since they are talking economies of scale there.

Anyway lets get back to the topic here and stick to the bootloader being locked and how tight security will be on the thing, as in is it gonna require someone finding a ENG bootloader to push in it or something like that...
[HTC EVO 3D] Pinepig:
I agree, my bad on getting off topic .
[HTC EVO 3D] champ0497:
Root: I know there is concern out there that "I don't want to have to root my EVO to do XYZ" Every effort is being made to include everything possible up front for EVO 3D right out of the box. (Netflix, Hulu, Full hdmi mirroring, and HTC Media Link) I still need acknowledge Dev community. They have not only kept EVO 4G fresh, vibrant, but more importantly relevant. We want to respect the efforts of the DEV community and honor why android OS is about choice. That is why EVO 3D will not be shipping with a boot loader lock.

Read this on Phandroid from someone working on it.
[HTC EVO 3D] *AndroidMaster*:
welp...looks like Motorola is done locking there bootloaders

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/motorola-promises-unlocked-bootloaders-for-future-android-phones/
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
That there will put pressure on HTC/Sprint to follow in the same path if it does happen. Otherwise you might see Dev's end up migrating over to Moto's devices just based on the easier customability they would have with unlocked bootloader given specs b/w both devices were the same...
[HTC EVO 3D] swaze:
That really doesn't mean much. Moto is trying to deflect the hype away from them, and put it on the carriers. Basically they are saying if it comes locked down blame VRZ or T-AT&T, not us. They aren't gonna change anything, but now they will just point to the carrier and tell customers to get mad at them not moto.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
That particular quote has been mentioned a few times in this thread, and the consensus so far is that it comes from a rather disreputable source.
[HTC EVO 3D] heathmcabee:
And, it's probably their fault anyway. They put out out the phone to carriers, the carries give the specs of what they want to protect their investment.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Yeah dont believe much that is said here. Notice that BSOD can't post anymore on the site either.
[HTC EVO 3D] cordell12:
I have Tweeted this off to HTC a few times now with NO reply!

@htc Moto has come out claiming to unlock bootloaders, while HTC is beginning to lock them down. Is this a new trend we will see from HTC?
[HTC EVO 3D] eniamg02:
Others should send similar tweets :)
[HTC EVO 3D] Emmexx:
Awesome tweet.

However, I believe the practical day to day workings have shown us HTC is still more Dev friendly. Moto has made noise saying they will unlock, but they have yet to actually do it on the phones. I don't consider the Xoom in this category. Meanwhile, to the best of my knowledge, the source ROMs for HTC tend to be 'leaked' quite quickly whereas those for Moto do not. I have also not seen an encypted HTC phone up to this point ala Droid X style.
[HTC EVO 3D] thetunicakid:
Dude relax lol. How long did it take for them to unlock thunderbolt? Couple days tops? The 3d will have a similar locked bootloader just to say hey you was warned, but that is a far cry from an encrypted one like motorola has. Major huge gigantic difference! People think sometimes to quick before getting all the facts. :p
[HTC EVO 3D] Overstew:
I heard that the thunderbolt was quite secured and the devs lucked out because of an old exploitable RUU. Could be wrong, though. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
They've already leaked an engineering build for the E3D :D

This was also how the original Evo was first rooted.

edit: Maybe at least, I just looked through the thread and saw Toast's post :/
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Yeah saw that and I would 99.99999999% time just take his word on stuff but this time would like to know why he believes it isn't it b/c right now there is a lot of evidence pointing in the other direction it seems.

Whats odd is that in that thread alone you see referenced 3 different model #'s.

1)PG86100 in the /system/customize/CID/default.xml

Then from build prop that you noted:

2)ro.product.model=ADR6350

3) ro.product.model=PH44100

anyone ever seen this before?

And now I believe this isn't the Evo3D after reading the stuff about world phone RileyGrant posted in Virus thread "Ro.enable.worldphone=1" Ontop of the memory differences.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
So it's official, the Nexus S 4G doesn't have a locked bootloader, so Sprint isn't calling the shots as to whether or not these phones are locked down. That means it is entirely up to HTC as to whether or not they'll lock the Evo 3D.
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
i could be way off here, but couldn't the fact that its a "pure google" device have something to do with that?
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
you are right. NO Nexus/Google Dev device is locked.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
Right, however if Sprint didn't want this phone on their network unless it was locked down, they wouldn't have to allow it. This means that either Sprint is allowing this as an exception (unlikely) or Sprint simply doesn't care. Given Motorola's "well shop elsewhere" reaction, it wouldn't surprise me if this is something that the OEM's want more than the carriers, though I still don't understand why.
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
:confused: isn't it obvious that the OEM's want this more than the carriers?
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
No. Why would the OEMs want it?
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
Well for starters unlike android itself, the customizations the OEM's put on top of android isn't open source right? Also, they know us the geeks are the ones that want the latest and greatest. HTC's usually pretty good about delivering updates it seems, but if they lock it down, we can't get the latest version of Android when they stop supporting us after a year, thereby forcing up to buy another phone to get it. That and it keeps the non-geeks from bricking the things lol
[HTC EVO 3D] Rakeesh_j:
I read somewhere, don't remember exactly where, that risk of bricking the device are of very little concern to OEM's. The reason why is apparently due to the chances of it happening are very little, in fact more phones get bricked in the course of a normal OEM pushed update than they do from user modification.

If you think about it, how many people do you see come in here complaining that they bricked their phone? It rarely happens, and when it does, it's usually fixable.

Plus if you look at other industries, such as PC's which come with flashable bios, or companies who make routers who specifically allow you to flash third party firmwares. None of these guys concern themselves with bricking their devices, even though it's fully possible for somebody to brick it and then exchange it at the store, where the OEM has to eat the cost.
[HTC EVO 3D] alchemist316:
Viruses kingdom rom is the 3d same thing so what's that mean

Or is it idk I'm using kingdom now it has same features without the 3d maybe I'm wrong ???
[HTC EVO 3D] sprinttouch666:
Yes you are wrong. The roms are probably similar, but the devices are not the same. Evo 3d has dual core processor, 1GB (1024MB) of ram and a 4.3" screen. Kingdom has a single core processor, 768MB or ram and a 4" screen

http://pocketnow.com/android/sprints-htc-kingdom-and-htc-shooter-evo-3d-compared