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[Windows Phone 7 General] sammy_user:
Android market isnt everywhere specially for paid apps
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Fable ok, wow. Is the game free since it sounds like a companion?

Few months for multiplayer, don't count it. The OS it self doesn't support it. Maybe 7.5 or 8 will.

I've had several Xbox Live accounts since launch of the service. I even had one transferred from the original xbox. The points don't mean anything; useless medals, a digital trophy. The points are like kids softball teams, everyone gets a trophy. You know what else, the achievement modifier can make anyone have a zillion points.

You purchased a lagged phone, fix it or get rid of it. Dont blame the OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phaze one:
LOLZ

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[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
WP7 does have copy & paste....now.

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knochen1981:
OMG you dont get the point. Xbox Live in that way can not be added as an app so the comparision is bull**** cause it cannot be added on other os. its a fact. And BTW Full House Poker has also crossplatform. You can level up, unlock stuff, get money on your phone for the version on your xbox. And again crossplatform doesnt mean multiplayer. i said maybe in the future but xbox live isnt about multiplayer.

And one other thing many million gamers like gamerscore, trophys (ps3). You cant see the point but million other gamers can. So its just your opinion.

I just mentionend facts and you try to argue with your opinion.

Neither Android or ios has xbox live support like WP7. Crossplatform, Avatar Support Ingame and Gamerscore.

Nope i got 2 Samsung Galaxy S. Both have been laggy as hell.

And why should a customer need to fix a Phone ??? even after returning the first phone and getting a new one -> it lagged. (take a look at minute 6 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQl-8Tm9AoQ&feature=related. Even the Desire HD (better hardware than any WP7 Device) lags while pinch to zoom into a website. And thats already to much lag for me. I dont put any apps on my phone that lag even on my WP7 these apps get deleted like board express) It has to work right out of the Box smooth and without fixing, flashing and modding custom roms and lagfixes.

Thats simply crap from an customer point of view. Both iOS and WP7 offer way smoother experience without hacking or modding.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
Actually, I'd say that's about accurate. Microsoft has dropped the ball. I'm not even sure if they still SEE the ball, but I'm getting tired of waiting for updates to get features that should have been present AT LAUNCH, and feeling stupid for being FOOLISH enough to be an early adopter again.

Never again will I be an early adopter of ANY product. I'm sick of getting the **** end of the stick.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
At the moment, the critics have all the ammo.

Microsoft should have held off launching WP7 until Fall 2011. What they shipped was not a complete smartphone OS at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
They didn't put hardware for an obvious reason: it's IRRELEVANT. This is a chart comparing smartphone OPERATING SYSTEM features.

DLNA is not a feature of Windows Phone 7, it's just an app provided by LG. The rest of us don't get that. Hell, we can't even plug our WP7 devices into an Xbox 360 and have it recognized, which is 7 kinds of absurd.

The chart isn't pretty, but it's perfectly fair.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
See...that's the thing, MS is just being too slow about evolving WP7. I don't believe any launch timeframe can make up for the slowness of its evolution. They should have capitalized on it initial momentum and evolved it much quicker. They had the perfect momentum, but it just lingered. They could have began building it up on a much quicker scale and right now, I believe, it would be a powerful contender.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
I'd agree with that. If they'd launched it just as they did, but then added 1 or 2 new features every month--they'd be doing fine. Otherwise, hold it until ALL those features are ready, and release it a year later.

What's intolerable and absolutely idiotic is that they released a half-finished OS and have now let it sit without a meaningful feature update for nearly half a year. And now that the first feature update has arrived, it's a complete clusterfuck, and that's pissing off their supporters and giving plenty of ammo to their detractors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I know, and I agree. But I just can't see WP7 ever prospering no matter how well featured it was at launch because of the snails-pace updating. The fact that MS didn't capitalize on WP7's initial excellent momentum shows this to be the case. MS is accustomed to evolving mobile OSes like they did with WinMo. Look how their slow pace caused WinMo to fare. They are doing the exact same thing with WP7 and because WP7 is truly a superior mobile OS with world-dominating potential, it's horrifically tragic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I never thought I'd say this, but it's hard for me to imagine moving to a platform without an equivalent of Zune Pass. I know, it's just me and fifteen other people, and by the time MS figures out what usable name they should utilize to rebrand the damned thing Apple will own 98% of music streaming market, but still, I can't help but feel that all these feature comparison tables are utter crap.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bmazloum:
Well, we have removable storage on some devices, internet tethering on some as well, and we now have visual voicemail (youmail), copy paste, and wp7 "multitasking".
[Windows Phone 7 General] f1restarter:
+1000

I got the WP7 phone and gave MS a chance only to be fooled by Steve Ballmer's poor leadership. This guy just doesn't get it when it comes to smart devices. He is reminding me more and more of uncle festor physically and intellectually. I am going back to Android platform as I have had enough of MS and it's piss poor support of the WP7 platform. Just check out Paul Thurrot's blog and you'll see what a mess the WP7 has become. The only good thing about my WP7 phone is that it was free. Thinking about getting a Nexus S so I don't have to rely on carriers for updates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Eh...though I agree with you about the WP7 stuff, I have to caution against the Nexus S. That is the one phone I was hoping to get since it is essentially Google's version of the iPhone. But now that T-Mobile is likely going under, the data bands the Nexus S uses will probably be useless with AT&T.

I'd wait to see where Sprint goes with the Nexus S before buying a GSM version.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
I agree completely. They let WinMo languish for years on end with no meaningful updates, making it clear that they saw mobile OS's as bottom rung. With WP7 it *appeared* they'd changed their minds--but their behavior since WP7's launch stinks of old-thinking Microsoft.

Balmer needs to go, and they need some fresh blood in there. With the army of great programmers that company has in its employment, there is NO excuse for this platform to be sitting around rotting in "wait for the update" hell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I stopped reading after this. Yes Xbox LIVE is about multiplayer. Its not about gimmicky points that do nothing. Its not live because you're getting points. Its live because of the damn multiplayer.

The poker game just lets you transfer points from AI opponents. I'm really looking forward to that. That's really awesome.
[Windows Phone 7 General] qipengart:
Yeah well Apple updates its iPhone OS like 4-5 times a year... much faster than M$ here :(. But it's a wonderful concept.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
Feature wise, this Ad is ture. Android does have almost every feature.

However, WM6.5 had even more feature of Android even 2 years ago.

Why people did not have good experiences with WM6.5?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
because like android it was laggy, required immense amounts of maintenance, and is generally disorganized.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I do. In fact, I love WinMo 6.5...with HTC Sense, that is. The normal, non-overlayed, WinMo 6.5 is way too simplistic and absolutely nothing. With HTC Sense, it's a whole new OS. If you want to experience the normal WinMo 6.5 on your HD2, simply go into settings > All settings > Home and select the second tab at the bottom and disable Sense. Enable Windows default.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I learned my lesson to stay far away from these discussions. So just to let you all know, this whole chart was taken from a PC World chart. I posted this chart back in Nov 21st 2010 here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9337267&postcount=24

The objective of the chart was to show a simple included or missing feature list, not which one is better. To say which OS did something better would inject subjectivity to the analysis, so some people create charts that will have a yes/no result. Some people create weighed charts with a score.

Does WP7 do multitasking right now? No. A fact that cannot be disputed.

Does iOS do Adobe Flash? No. Another fact.

Which OS has the best multitasking? WebOS? Android? Debatable.

Let us not fight over everything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sketchy9:
Except your "fact" isn't a fact at all. Of course WP7 does multutasking. It doesn't do *3rd party* multitasking. But how do you think you get to surf the web while listening to Zune?

-R
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
All system wide it doesn't really multitask. And 3rd party is most of the device I use.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
That is obviously what is meant and well understood on the forum. Just like Java apps are sure not the app library when people talk about Android having 250,000 apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
That's what I'm talking about. Having a lot of features is not equal to a good phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
Why should retailers love WP7 is a better question in my opinion? A retailer doesn't care what platform you buy as long as you buy something. IPhone especially is a very easy sale, & has a lot of accessories that the retailer can sell you because that's where the money is for them.

Even in carrier stores the IPhone generates more cash due to accessories then any other phone I bet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] HoorayBeer:
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011/03/24/first-windows-phone-update-only-going-out-to-unlocked-phones/

good read
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I really got a lot out of the comment from exmsft in that article. He's an ex MS employee and really gave excellent insight into this doomed system.
[Windows Phone 7 General] f1restarter:
After reading those views from exmsft, I'm really not surprised why the WP7 turned out to be such a mess and the rot is the worst at the top. It will be interesting to see what Paul Thurrot has to say when he comes on Leo Laporte's show tomorrow live at twit.com.
[Windows Phone 7 General] HoorayBeer:
There's always two sides to the story. Maybe he got fired and is disgruntled.. But it still is interesting. I'm sure there is some truth to it. but if msft doesn't catch up by the time the next gen of phones come out, i may be looking elsewhere. and this update fiasco is not a good sign. Msft does not have the luxury of taking there time, when android and ios are far ahead. I guess its my fault for trying to be one of the first on the new platform, but i still have some faith
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
What is your definition of doomed?

There is a certain level of transparency that has Microsoft has created with regards to the update cycle of WP7. This does not exist with Android since it is up to the handset maker to update Android regularly or not at all.

So here is the reality of the situation:

If you buy into an Android phone you have no idea if it will ever be officially updated.

If you buy into a Windows phone you have no idea when it will be officially updated.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Well, I guess I meant doomed because of what I read about what goes on at MS; all the CYA and such. It left me with the distinct desire to scrub all things MS off of me. It reinforced my already innate sense about MS. With all of the CYA'ing going on, I can't see any hope for WP7, no matter the excuse. Everything that has transpired from the launch of WP7 till now is a stark testament to the legitimacy of what I read. I also have the notion that MS partnering with Nokia wasn't a "do-everything-to-make-it-work" move but, rather an easy way out. Let Nokia serve up the hardware and expertise while MS keeps CYA'ing. They know they have a superb foundation in WP7 but have no clue how to capitalize on it and still be a lazy company that CYA's all the time.

All I can say is, I wish I had not bought my HD7. I wish I had read that comment from exmsft before buying into WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pasp1001:
people always expect 5x more from the biggest!! MS is the biggest.. s/ware vise... on the other hand wp7 is made by WP7- development team- there lies my grudge (and probably from all the wp7 users) I so HELLO dont care bout xbox, windows7, mice and keyboards and all other MS- products...

The day that some of them 'etarded wp7 team developers gets the blame on him/her self will be the first day of good news for wp7(and MOST of the owners)....

To throw away such a legacy like winmo completely (many mobile functions,aspects and performance to the world was introduced by winmo... Hell, it even surpassed the king-symbian in some points, back in 2005) and make this wannabe OS for 15year old teenagers - is really, beyond any logic...

Winmo, had its flaws, mostly in the 90ish look and the also modern andro syndrome - me wanna run all the zhit on my phone and still watch porn on it flawlessly-

but cutting all the functions from it and thinkin of adding them in 2015 just for the sake of it, again is beyond any logic...

Minimum and Universal system requirements... Why my optimus7 has 16gigs of nand and your htc 8gigs micro-sd?? Who's fault is that??(if it is a fault at all)

Charlie Sheen's???

to shorten my writings, cause i can write pages about MISSING EVERYDAY FEATURES that users need in this wp7(just see the threads)-

i'll wait to see what becomes of this wp7... Wait till the years end... i like it and i know it has potential...

When will the update hit me- its irrelevant for me, cause i dont use my wp7 as a prime(second,third or forth) phone...

Retailers dont hate or love phones (and/or systems)... They just see and understand it is not profitable like others... maybe things will look brighter for wp7 in december....
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
I can't wait to hear Paul's comments either they should be good :).

As far as the comment left by Exmsft I take those with a grain of salt. What Exmsft describes happens in many large organizations not just MS. I think some points are over the top, like there is no accountability etc.

The WP7 team screwed up royally for sure that's why I'm back to using my N1, but Exmsft seems extreme when describing WP7 & the general work environment at MS.

I would bet rather then total incompetence the problems are due to infighting between divisions, with the WP7 team not receiving help from other parts of the company. If that's the case the guy at the very top is to blame, he should be setting the deadlines. After the first delay Steve should have assigned people that know updates to help, like the people responsible for Windows updates. The buck stops at Steve.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sketchy9:
My problem with exmsft's comment is when he says MS doesn't innovate. Of all the products released in the last 15 months, I think by far the most innovative (and one of the most successful) is the Kinect, made by *gasp* Microsoft. The company is capable of great things. WP7 is not great (and probaby never will be), but it has potential to be very good. It remains to be seen where it goes from here. That being said I love my WP7 and it is by far the most enjoyable smartphone I've ever had.

-R
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Kinect isn't innovative. It is yet another blatant rip off from Microsoft. Microsoft killed the innovative Milo and Kate project, which is really what kinect is about. The kinect tech is old, they just put it on a console.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Kinect got an attention of the enthusiasts who showed to Microsoft themselves the potential of the platform with a few hacks - if you don't know or remember when the Kinect became available hackers took to it and started creating 3D modeling environments, what did Microsoft do? They said: "No, you didn't. We will sue", and later they realized that they had something awesome on their hands, and turned around.

Innovation at Microsoft is a thing of a chance, and not a philosophy of the company.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Assassin5150:
What about the possiblity of kinect support for Windows phone in the future? Will andriod and apple support that as well. I think not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/kinect-android-14-02-2011/

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xbox-Kinect-hacked-to-work-with-iOS-devices_id16965
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
The Kinect is not innovative but it is amazingly better than any other accessory on the gaming market.

right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] elmerendeiro:
It's clearly a pro-android comparison...they just took android advantages and compared to other platforms...

everyone can do the same with wp7 and make others look like ****

what about fast, smooth, finger friendly, good looking, consistent UI?

android is a total mess, every app and every widget have different design (WTF), also most of them are ugly as hell...

most important: you have to understand that wp IS NOT about folders and file explorers, hyper advanced settings or any super nerdy stuff. If you care about those things go android or jb an iphone. DO NOT EXPECT THEM TO COME ON WP7

WP is all about speed and ease, in style. period.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Considering all that MS has done with previous products like the original XBOX and Zune makes it clear to me the exmsft comment is true and correct. I remember long before the original XBOX came out, there was a lot of expectation about its appearance. It was so heavily rumored to be a super cool looking system and then, once the actual product was revealed, people were dumbfounded. Nobody could believe that MS would release such a horridly ugly and massive product.

This applies to the first Zune as well. It was a huge brick. And as time went by, the aesthetics did not improve until the ZuneHD appeared.

MS has done exactly what any intelligent person could infer from what they have accomplished...exactly as exmsft says. It explains why the XBOX was so ugly and huge. It explains why the Zune was so ugly and huge. MS was hoping to be able to just get something out there...finally.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I can agree with that. It is laggy though(they removed the extra CPU for costs) .
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
But see it's not even about that. "ease"? how come you have to spend a half hour setting sound profiles when you want to go to sleep, on Anroid it takes about 5 seconds (turn off ringer, turn off notifications, turn on alarm, blah)

how come camera settings don't stick, I have to change them every time I want to take a picture.

"style" ok if you like Metro you're in luck, if you don't you're screwed because you can't change it.

you know most normal non-modders want to use a facebook app, well the WP7 one sucks immensely.

This whole pretense that WP7 just works and Android and iOS have to be modded is ludicrous. Take an HTC Evo and tell me you have to mod it to have a great experience. How about a MyTouch 4G?

iPhone 4 offers so much more than WP7 does and you don't have to mod **** if you don't want to. What if I want to do something as simple as stream pandora while I'm at the gym and answer a text message. Not happening.

The real deal here is that WP7 cannot do some very basic things that iOS and Android can. This whole "it's fast and sleek and smooth" is just rhetoric, it's so nebulous. It's the most subjective thing ever. Can it multitask? can you mount storage? can you change the UI? can you organize your **** in folders? How long does it take to push an update? any possibility for video conferencing on any device? These are objective questions that "normal" people could benefit from knowing.

If you went up to someone and said "buy this phone because it's sleek and smooth and fast" they'd be like "ok, but what can it do? what does that even mean?"
[Windows Phone 7 General] elmerendeiro:
i agree about the fb app, but it's not developed by MS, however it's being updated quite often...the android ufficial facebook app just turned decent a few months ago don't you remember?

with "style" i'm not talking about personal taste, just saying it's clean and consistent trough out the wp environment

it can't multitask ok, but games resume properly, apps resume properly, honestly i've rarely felt the need of multitasking since i got my hd7...however we know that sort of multitasking will be in mango update...and about the pandora thing...i don't even know if a pandora app exists for wp7, but music can be played while doin other stuff, and a feature i love is that if your listeng to some music, then start a game, you can have your songs to substitute the stock ingame songs, without affecting sound effects...that's really nice...never saw that on android

you can't mount storage...yeah i'm missing this stuff from android, but i knew that from start, so i'm not complaining about it, on the other side i'm enjoying the auto media syncing, so it's a trade off here...sure would be nice to have the choice to use zune or just mount the device as storage...

the whole android "ui change" stuff is pretty overrated, 99% of the launchers keep the original UI, and they only affect homescreen and app drawer...

camera settings are designed to behave like that so that you don't need to go back to settings everytime to revert the settings you used last time...but they said they will change that if people ask for...

does android have video conferencing? does ios have it? i mean multiple video calling at the same time

come on wp can do pretty much all the stuff others do, apps are growing fast. sure there is a lot of work to do but mostly is refinement, and compared to android or ios first iterations is so much better. i think the potential is there

EDIT: also i don't get your point about the "sleep setup"...i just set the alarm, i have the alarm tile in the homescreen, then i put the phone in flight mode and i'm done...just as i did in android
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
you know what, that was a pretty good post. I think we're on the same page, I do think WP7 will get there, but some of those things I mentioned are important tome and some people, so WP7 is a deal breaker for now.

As far as music playing while doing other stuff, that only works for Zune, so you can't stream stuff, and pandora and slacker are a must IMO for phones (I work out a lot)

Android may have "just" gotten conferencing officially (The Evo came out almost a year ago, June I think?) but there are so many phones with it and you won't see that on WP7 for so long is my point, maybe almost 2 years after Android and iOS had it.

Let's just give it some time and see how it pans out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bmazloum:
I'll give you guys multi tasking, mounting the device, and anything else you want to point out.

But video calling. I'm sorry, that is nit a selling point for me, EVER. I've personally called a person once, just to try it out. After that, never. If I ever want to show someone something I send it to them though chat or email, which is more practical I think.

What about you guys, how many find video calling a really missed feature.