[Epic 4G Android Development] ungovernable1977:
Well thanks for trolling on over from one of the other threads! Anyways, the issue is not just battery pulls... I have been using no journaling since it started in these ROMs, and it really is less stable. These releases, are awesome! Fast, and stable...

This is how I saw it go down:

1) Noobnl points out in his Noobnl way that EXT4 reduces the lifespan of the nand chip, so huge debate/BS slinging ensues

2) It seems that a slim majority are willing to go forward no matter what, most in pursuit of bragging rights and benchmarks (not devs, the EXT4 side of the debate, devs remained pretty objective, and actually seemed to research instead of going 'new shiny must have')... SO somebody (insert credit here) comes up w the no journaling solution. The idea is that with no journaling, there are less data writes, therefore less nand damage, therefore hopefully they can end the debate and get back to making kickass ROMs. The results, theoretically, are longer life of the nand, and a bonus: a small speed increase over EXT4 WITH journaling... wait, did someone say speed increase? Benchmarks? Quadrant e-peen?! So seems everyone wins...

3) Time passes... a lot of people notice no journaling making phones less stable, meaning you have to reflash your ROMs more often, reinstall apps, reconfigure data... oh wait! you can just use Titanium to do all that for you, its only a couple bucks (all seriousness awesome app, I paid)... so you can just set up nightly backups so that it can compensate for the lack of a built in safety net in the filesystem. Problem with that theory is, like most western medicine, its retroactive thinking... we shouldnt have to go through all that just to have a decent ROM... and why doesnt stability factor for so many people? Because they dont run a ROM for a couple weeks at a time, let alone a couple days for a lot of us... so you dont see those little data corruptions pile up. Also, Titanium, has been advised against unless you really have to, by a lot of ROM devs, as its another factor in troubleshooting why youre on the thread an hour after a ROM drops complaining about FCs up the yin-yang. Really, like in politics, the vocal minority are the ones who are the loudest, as to dissuade the actual majority from voicing their opinions... in this case the minority being the balls out full steam ahead, anything for benchmarks crowd... the rest of us kind of just accepted the democracy of it and the compromise no journaling offered... until more and more of our phones became less stable... and it piles up, if you keep running it and dont reflash.

I just find it hard to accept that to error on the side of having a stable filesystem, even at risk of your phone crapping out in 5 years instead of 10, but it being reliable as opposed to 2% faster, is a whiny minority... actually, its the other way around.

Rob, thank you for these releases, you of all devs probably have the least time and energy to go above and beyond like this, and you take care of us... ill go find a few more posts to thank. Whatever else you do with these ROMs is up to you... regardless thanks for at least setting an example. Your rom and a couple others I havent heard from in a bit have always been the most stable, simple, elegant, FAST, no 'bling', SOLID ROMs out there. Not that I dont think the insanely themed guys dont do great work, I flash their stuff here and there to see what cool stuff their doin, but its just not my style...

I think if a dev were to make their sole mission to 'port' other ROMs back to RFS or to retain journaling... they would have a pretty popular set of ROMs.

Not trying to turn this thread into a debate, its creation was a way to end a debate and make everyone happy... dont be trollin... :)

So to sum it up... It used to be where you could flash a new ROM, MAYBE have to flash once or twice more that week as kinks are worked out (if there are any at all)... then you could pretty much go indefinately. But when things like bad app restores, crappy app downloads, yes batteries falling out for some, etc. end up forcing you to reflash, and start over, just to make sure the corrupt data is gone... that doesnt really sound like a stable build to me...at least not like it used to be... a rom should be able to withstand a little abuse... and bounce back... used to be battery pulling or rebooting was the solution, not a no-no...