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[Xoom General] Sarxs:
I think its all in the informations source. Wasn't there an article a month or two back that essentially discussed exactly how profitable Android is? Essentially calling it Google's most profitable venture ever for both themselves and their partners.

I think the proof is in handset shipments and growth. What is HTC's shipment growth over the past 2 years? Something in the neighborhood of 200%? and their projection is for a 300% increase over that this year? Those handset sales are driven primarily by Android. If they aren't making a profit on those handsets then they would have been unprofitable no matter what, because their prices wouldn't have changed. Whether it be Windows Mobile,Android or Brand Z their new handset is still going to be in the neighborhood of 599-650, so its their responsibility to make sure that price point is profitable for them. I don't see them being able to complain about slow growth since the sales growth and acceptance for the Android platform is pretty much meteoric.

I hardly see Motorola complaining about Android considering it and Verizon essentially saved them from becoming the next Nokia, a brand no one in America cares about. Are they hedging their bets? Possibly. Abandoning Android right now or in the foreseeable future though? I would say absolutely not.

Without Android, its pretty easy to say that Motorola and HTC would be in far worse financial shape than increasing their shipments and profits every quarter than they currently are. (Samsung not so much, they could have continued to be the OEM supplier for screens to HTC/Other brands who want to make phones) But in fact it was so profitable it encouraged Samsung to jump into the market themselves instead of just supplying parts. It gave those companies an instant way to compete with iOS.

Thats from July of 2010. So from losses to profit, I can hardly see how that "wouldn't be turning out profitable" for them.
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
You both make good points.

Thats when these boards work best. When people actually think through all the facets of a topic and don't just devolve into an Apple good/Android Bad rant.

However, in response to the comment: "Developing an operating system isn't something a company "just decides" to do. "

Certainly it is,

ANDROID is an operating system developed by a company called Google, that just "decided" to create an OS to compete with Apple.

That in turn was developed from an OS called Linux developed by Torvalds as an open source alternative to Windows.

Or take Windows Phone 7 - A company called Microsoft "Just decided to develop" and OS from the ground up to compete with Apple.

Problem isn't developing an OS, problem is marketing it and developing Apps.

Edit: I agree with you that that this is virtually impossible for Motorola. But I would have thought it impossible for HP too and yet, they had the creative insight to buy palm, and now they are doing it. Probably will crash and burn, but bottom line is: They DID abandon android.
[Xoom General] _RTFM_:
I hope you understand that there difference between software companies deciding to make software and hardware companies deciding to make software.

Microsoft and Google already had experience and infrastructure in place to create new software. Motorola will be starting with...nothing. That is why Palm was purchased by HP, they needed a leg up on software experience to make new software development practical.
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Knew that one was coming. Thats why companies hire employess. Thats why companies buy other companies.

Thats why companies like HP which are HARDWARE companies buy companies like Palm which are SOFTWARE companies. Whatever it takes to get the job done.

Programmers are people, they can walk from software companies over to the building where the hardware company is located and start working there, on a shiny new OS as soon as they are hired or aquired.

Edit: Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either.
[Xoom General] _RTFM_:
...ok, but in order for them to walk over there they need to be PAID, and an entire new wing of R&D needs to be built to support them. This is a massive investment that is VERY high risk that takes a long time.

Oh you're right, I had no clue Google started as a search engine. That means they are and have always been a software company. Just because "engine" is in the phrase doesn't mean it isn't software :rolleyes:
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Sarcasm aside, no, I'm still not sure a search engine is the same as a hardware operating system....

Her is a good article supporting the alternative point of view however:

Moto ditching Android: Silly Rumor

http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-developing-own-os-silly-rumor-20110325/

Note this line: Motorola is working on their own OS? What? Back that up. Several blogs are putting forth the rumor that Motorola’s friendship with Google is waning and that the cellphone manufacturer has been quietly hiring Apple and Adobe engineers with the aim of developing their own platform OS to compete with Android.

Note the part about quietly hiring from Apple and Adobe.

I honestly don't have a strong opinion one way or the other here. I am primarily playing Devils Advocate by throwing the orignal topic out here for discussion, as it is something that people have been talking about quite a bit on Motorola hardware boards.

I was curious to see other peoples points of view on the story-rumor.
[Xoom General] tinpusher:
Here is an interesting article about why Google might not care if Android ever makes money.

Android May Be the Greatest Legal Destruction of Wealth in History [Android]

TOP STORIES IN TECHNOLOGY | MARCH 25, 2011

http://gizmodo.com/#!5785983/android-may-be-the-greatest-legal-destruction-of-wealth-in-history
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Thanks for posting this.

I have to laugh. I started this thread, and in effect was accused of being a conspiracy theorist wearing a tin-foil hat. So it makes me feel better knowing that the guys over at Gizmodo have some pretty shiny head-gear as well.
[Xoom General] th0r615:
If Motorola leaves the Android community they would be shooting themselves in the foot. I really have a hard time believing Moto would be that stupid.

Where were they before Android? On the brink of death. Leaving now is suicide. Companies really need to stop thinking they are Apple. Apple is the exception to that proves rule.

If they took all the money they put into this rumored OS and sunk it into a better blur (or option to disable blur), better hardware, and FAST updates... they would rule the market.
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Oh hell, some companies like Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot on an almost daily basis. Remember the Kin phone? Here is a quote from an article by Engadget:

"While it's hard to argue that Kin is an awful product, the saddest part of the story is that many of the people responsible for it knew it was -- they were largely victims of political circumstance, forced to release a phone that was practically raw in the middle."

In the end they sold something like 500 of the things.

Remember the Dell streak releasing crippled with Android 1.6?

And then there was windows Vista....

Companies often do things that seem to make no rational business sense.
[Xoom General] treyatl2006:
It would be crazy for them to abandon the platform that single handedly prevented them from going into bankruptcy... Motorola was doing horrible before they teamed up with Verizon and released the Droid OG. Which was an insanely popular device. Motorola should be thanking Verizon and Google for still having jobs right now...
[Xoom General] chbennett:
They would be crazy to stop embracing android. Not only is it generating business like crazy (everyone has seen or heard of the enormous numbers of android products being sold, numbers that are unseating the existing leaders of the mobile os market), all indications are that android is still growing. Why abandon success?
[Xoom General] krat0s123:
Actually it's as simple as this.. Would you abandon an OS that has the second largest apps for mobile? It would be dumb for any company to do such a thing.. I mean think about it.. What other choices do you have?? WM7, RIM, Palm etc?? It would take years for them to catch up, apps wise.. Right now, what makes these phone manufacturer tick, is the apps behind it.. Hence, that's the reason why I chose Android when I left iphone.. The apps.. So I don't think Motorola would abandon Android and jump ship anytime soon.. Or at all, for that matter..
[Xoom General] Xezuka:
Yeah I agree. I don't see this happening anytime soon, if at all. Especially looking within a few years down the road.
[Xoom General] falconeight:
Motorola should just concentrate on making better quality hardware and leave th software to people who know what they are doing. Motorola use to mean quality, now it's just another phone maker in a sea of the same devices running the same software with nothing really revolutionary to offer buyers. If moto could make an android device with the quality of their razor they would destroy the competition.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
The rumor that Moto is hiring software egr's has a glimmer of truth (and subsequently embellished for tabloid consumption). Moto is learning that there is a downside to the Android gravy train, which every co and its sister is jumping onto, and that is lack of differentiation.

Co's are trying different things. Asus is doing the integrated keyboard with the Transformer. HTC has the active digitizer where you can use a stylus. Archos is leaning on its PMP roots with strong multimedia support. But for the majority, differentiation will be minimal (mostly a custom GUI). The main determinant will be price. In other words, Android tabs will be commodity status very soon. This is good for the consumers, but not for the vendors.

This isn't the smartphone market any more, where supply is constrained by the carriers playing as gatekeepers. Price competition will be intense, and slapping on a custom GUI (as has been the practice for smartphones) will no longer be enough. Premium brands in smartphones do not automatically translate to the tablet market.

It'll be a free-for-all. And the guys that win will be those with the best value-add, brand strength, and distribution muscle. For the first, you need software peeps. Which is why Moto is stocking up.
[Xoom General] hi_its_ryan:
This sentence does not make any sense :confused:
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Just saying that something doesn't make sense isn't very helpful. Try explaining WHY it doesn't make sense.

That would add something to the discussion.
[Xoom General] hi_its_ryan:
I can't believe that you don't actually understand that a sophisticated internet search engine/advertising framework like Google.com has a vast and complex software system powering it, making Google absolutely a software company to their roots.

You must be a troll.
[Xoom General] Digital Man:
Here is the sentence you are disputing.

"Might I also point out that Google started as a search engine, not a software company either."

The relevant word here is STARTED

Google did not START out as:

"a sophisticated internet search engine/advertising framework..."

Nor did they START with

"a vast and complex software system powering it, making Google absolutely a software company to their roots."

In fact they STARTED in March 1996 as a research project by Larry Page and Sergey Brin, Ph.D. students at Stanford[1] working on the Stanford Digital Library Project (SDLP). The SDLP's goal was “to develop the enabling technologies for a single, integrated and universal digital library." and was funded through the National Science Foundation among other federal agencies.

Concerning your suggestion that I am a Troll:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.

As this thread topic appears inflammatory to many, and it is slightly off topic, your accusation has a small degree of validity.

However as my posting is not aimed at eliciting an emotional response, but only eliciting discussion, your accusation falls short of the mark.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lepapirriky:
I have asked this on general but nobody reply, so I'm gonna try it here.

I want to add contacts on a group. I was succesful to create the group and once inside I click to add member but when I type there name nothing happens, it doesn't search for it neither add. I tried with the existent group on the phone but still nothing.

Thank you!

Sent from Maxwell's shoe.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lepapirriky:
No one?

Sent from Maxwell's shoe.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Koadic:
Are the contacts you're trying to move stored on your phone or your gmail account? Because it won't work if your trying to move a 'gmail contact' into a 'phone group' (if you get what I am trying to say).

If your contacts are stored on your gmail account, you can always get on gmail and organize them from the web interface, putting them in whatever groups you want.
[Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lepapirriky:
Ohh I understand, so the contacs has to be saved on the phone so it can appears.

Thanks!

Sent from Maxwell's shoe.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
Hi there.

Sorry about this thread if it has been disscused but I searched here a little and I didn't found something similar to my problem.

I bought my phone last summer in 2010 from Wien , Austria.

I decoded it here in Romania.

3 days ago I upgraded to 2.1...All good , but a few hours ago the phone was charging and someone called me , I answered talked for 10-15 sec then it turned off. I tried to take out battery , sim , memory card for 5-10 min but it didn't turned on , it was only vibrating.I tried to update again but it was only failing.I tried to take out battery etc etc...only vibrating.

Please help me ! Thanks.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shahkam:
Try flashing the stock 2.1 rom if it doesnt worl try the 2.2
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
Thanks for this quick reply.There is one problem : ME .

I'm new to this x10 experience.

Don't have knowledge about cell phones their programs and stuff like that.

I searched a bit on google about flashing and really don't want to f**k this up.

Can you please give me a link or explain how I can do what you wrote above?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pawnty:
Try the power button.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
So I downloaded the flash tool read all there but the problem is I can't turn on my phone to see the baseband...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chris_newton:
When you try to turn it on does the led just flash red? Mine just did this and the problem is the battery was dead. For some reason it didn't charge while plugged into my laptop. I don't know why, but I had to charge it in my car. Not sure if it has something to do with my battery or from when I flashed/rooted to 2.1 a week ago. Been working fine until today.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
The battery is full i just tried to charge it is GREEN and then it turns off just like when it's full.So what can i do about the baseband?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
Morti mami lui de telefon !
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nan_a:
Nu fi nervos pe telefon !! Nu el este de vina in cele mai multe cazuri, ci utilizatorul !

Acum ca sa te ajut uite ce trebuie sa faci mai intai verifica daca iti intra in flashmode, daca da atunci =>next da se poate rezolva.

Lasa chestia aia cu flashtool-ul daca nu sti basebandul, poti sa sari peste ea folosind softul original de la SE, SEUS acesta recunoaste automat ce baseband ai si iti downloadeaza firmwareul corect. Insa trebuie sa ii dai repair sa iti instaleze de la 0 tot romul, insa vei pierde toate datele.

daca nu si nici nu porneste=> atunci e de rau si trebuie sa duci telefonul in service, si ori ai stricat bootloaderul sau sa dus ceva hardware, oricum la nici unu nu ai acces deocamdata.

Sorry for that how not understand what i wrote, the men is really pissed off, and try to explain how to solve a solution in the native language.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
Mersi sa vad ce rezolv revin cu un PM sau reply.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gogogu:
Does that mean it is fixed?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zeera:
I have the same problem. My phone just cant start. Only green led and vibro....and black screen.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
PROBLEM SOLVED SEUS RULZ ! (seus = sony ericsson update service)

@zeera

Well i just didn't do nothing about flash or something like that i just waited and tried to open it. My battery went red , I charged him all good full battery i plugged usb cable to PC runned update service and finally THE UPDATE WAS A SUCCES !

for 3 days I have been in to hell with everyone because a fu**ing phone :D ( wich I love )

Thanks all who tried to help me !
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shahkam:
Sorry was going to post that but forgot my bad for the delay ;(
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] isiena:
hey can you explain exactly how you did it step by step?

I have this problem too.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexspike:
Well the problem began when the phone was charging , someone called me , i answered , we talked for 10-15 seconds and then the phone turned off. I tried to turn it on but nothing. I didn't tried to flash or something like that instead i tried to install 2.1 again and again with update service from Sony Ericsson. I waited for a few days 2-3 days I guess and tried in these days to update him but was always failing.Yesterday my battery went red , I charged it and updated and it was a succes ! And then i was able to turn it on ! :)

Hope it will be useful for you too.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] isiena:
Hi when the phone wasn't turning on did it connect to the computer at all? [Mine didn't]
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrHassell:
Sony Ericsson Update Service

Hi,

Please have a look at the SEUS software for your phone.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/support/softwaredownloads/detailed/updateservice?cc=gb&lc=en

Download this and use it to restore your phone to an original state if something went wrong during an update or it has crashed totally and the phone is unusable. It will work!

If you want to customize your phone and use Flashtool to load a custom rom or firmware onto your device, you will need to have it in a working state to begin with and know which basebad you are running.

:)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nrmr82:
how can i update some software from SUES...flash it or do anything....if the phone is not detecting on my computer?

my phone was only vibrating for a sec when i switch it on till past few hours...no red light or green light...

but from past few mins i see red light blinking 3 times when i try to switch it on...and no display...and if i connect a charger(which i did for several hours) and the phone was only blinking red all the time..but there is no charge in the phone...

now there is no vibration but the red light blinks infinitely as i charge my phone...but no display when i turn it on....

is this a known issue? how do i flash it or update the software using SEUS on my phone in this condition?? because the phone wont turn on or detect on my computer... http://media.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blade828:
My x10 has done this before, it does it when you drain you battery below a certain voltage, which is too low for the phone to begin charging it again. You could try putting your battery in a dock to charge it. All i did was cut the end off a usb cable, stripped the positive and negative wires and just held them against the batteries terminals for ten minutes white the other end of the cable was plugged into the computer. Put the battery back in my phone and it had 20% charge.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrHassell:
recharge the phone ignoring led's

1: Have the phone left in charge for say 30 minutes to an hour. This will put adequate charge into the phone regardless of it's state, red light, blue light, green light or combination's of them flashing - ignore and continue to charge.

2: Pull the battery out of the phone, once it has given time to get power to the battery.

3: Load up the SEUS software, accept the license terms, select you phone model, restore as it describes on the screen.

If your confused at the stage where it is just showing you the "Back key", really don't be - it's how you resolve your problem! Keep the battery out, plug in the cable between your computer and the phone..

Holding the back key, put the battery in (It's a bit awkward..) and you should get a constant green light as the phone enters restore mode.

Does this work for you?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] isiena:
thank you for taking your time to write that for me. I really appreciate it.

I finally got warranty approved for my phone so hopefully SE will tell me what's behind these problems. Thank you though. =)
[Streak 5 General] z3r0x:
hello

i have a dell streak 5

on original 1.6 rom froom del i can perfectly send sms and all but now

i have update with ota 2.2 i can send more sms messages i have tryed strreakdroid all version but not working

i cant set up smscenter

pls can someone help me
[Streak 5 General] pgill34:
Try resiting your APN settings wireless APN google search at@t APN
[Streak 5 General] z3r0x:
i already reset it

when i do *#*#4636#*#* then phone then smsc update i get error and refresh error to i can't set smsc server pls help me
[Streak 5 General] maek_it_happen:
Try replacing your sim

Sent from my Dell Streak
[Streak 5 General] media_11:
I would take the battery out and remove sim card, wait 10 sec and then put sim card back and restart phone. if that doesn't fix, then download handcent sms from android market and try that instead. did you try factory resetting your phone? if all these fails, google APN settings for your cell providor
[Streak 5 General] fleurdelisxliv:
May just be your network i had that problem with my captivate
[Streak 5 General] crashDebug:
can you make phone calls? do you get any error messages?
[Streak 5 General] z3r0x:
yes i can make phonecalls i can receiv sms i can go on internet with 3g only i cant send sms messages

i have tryed with factory reset
[Streak 5 General] maek_it_happen:
Its your sim card ..... I had same problem ....buy a new one
[Fascinate General] mrjake1970:
hey all. after some research, i found a partial solution to the problems resizing gallery photos to fit the screen. i forgot to note where i found this solution, so apologies for not being able to throw out credit.

go to the market, downlad "multipicture live wallpaper".. its free...

once downloaded, you can access it by pressing the menu key from homescreen, then select wallpaper, then select live wallpaper and if you scroll down you will see the program. you can make a shortcut as well from the shortcut menu.

once it loads, select gallery as default and configure the options by using the menu key.

hrer is a screenshot of my homescreen using this...

EDIT - ADDITIONAL INFO :

This program can also be used to put a different wallpaper on each screen, do slideshows, and much more..

to set it like i have it in the screen shot, go to "common settings" in the program's menu, crop size is "show entire picture"

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[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadsterflip:
Delete please
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] MilkPudding:
Grab it now! It's my favorite keyboard.

Amazon appstore users are on a roll.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] z3NN9:
Thanks for that!
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] s15274n:
SwiftKey is pretty amazing at word prediction. I barely typed to send this message. :)