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[General Topics] droiduzr2:
So much for OPEN SOURCE ideology that GOT THEM to the top or able to compete with Apple.

I think the effort should be made towards Google.

Tell them their resellers are locking down what is meant to be open and as such you might as well go to Apple. Point out that this is NOT the GOOGLE way:D and for them to DO SOMETHING to PROTECT the growth of ANDROID.

Google has the POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[General Topics] xsteven77x:
I do believe you just "told it".
[General Topics] MarkusPO:
yes, android is an open source software. however, anything produced with that does not have to be open. it's not a right of yours. phone companies are locking down for a reason - the future. nfc payments would be useless with an open system.

rom creators / users are just being caught up in the cross fire.
[General Topics] BennyJr:
Wow..that sucks. maybe google will say no? idk
[General Topics] dani26286:
Rumors. Is all!
[General Topics] satchef1:
There's no way Google will stop this practice, it's HTC's decision to make. I doubt Google are that cut up about it either.

They didn't. The N9 (assuming they run with that handset) will hit at the end of the year. Just don't expect much support from Nokia 6-12 months after that, their plans for Meego past 2012 are pretty unclear.
[General Topics] BigMcGuire:
Isn't the whole push behind preventing people from rooting -- to prevent people from bringing back their softbricked phones for a free replacement? Why not give those of us who want to root an unlocked phone and have us sign a document saying that we will void our warranty agreement the moment we root? I kept my HTC Thunderbolt for a good week before I rooted to make sure there were no problems and then I rooted.

I will not buy a phone unless I can remove the bloatware (which requires root now).
[General Topics] ExMM:
Agree..

Anyway, HTC lock down the Bootloader? I am pretty sure someone will ALWAYS find a way to get back.. HTC will find another way to lock their phones?

Another person in this world will find another hack.. story keep repeating itself...
[General Topics] Step666:
You two should go and look at my posts earlier in this thread for a healthy dose of realism.

If HTC want to make it impossible, in all practical sense anyway, to crack the bootloader they can. Easily.

And there's nothing you, I or XDA-devs as a whole would be able to do to overcome it.
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
you are right yea, but if they really do that.. no, they cant man

xda was the community who made htc worth something! why the **** should they betray xda that way :/

DONT LIKE.
[General Topics] oxide-:
terrible news, htc should be ashamed
[General Topics] zuben el genubi:
Are the carriers making money from the bloatware? Get you hooked so you pay more for data? Or getting some kind of subsidy from the bloatware makers?

I bought an unlocked European Galaxy 3, it had bloatware, but more like stuff that a lot of people use. Facebook, and some other social sites. And it didn't have half as much as the SGS4G.

I'm equating the bloatware with the crap that came bundled on a brand computer.

Didn't some of those pay the maker of computer a small fee at one time?

I rooted to get rid of the crap.

Z
[General Topics] ExMM:
They used to say the same things for windows OS back in the 90ies. It couldn't be hacked. They used to repeat the same things about software, firewalls, networks and many other things that nowdays are hacked.

I am NOT saying, I'll be willing to do something Illegal, just to make it clear.

But as the tecnology evolves so the ways to hacks.

I am not saying as well that this will happen in an immediate future. There will probably be a method or a way that now we cannot even imagine.
[General Topics] Step666:
HTC would probably be pretty much exactly as big without this place.

Yes, this is a large forum but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the number of phones being sold.

In the UK alone, HTC is shifting ~200k handsets every month.

That's a third of this place's 'active' users every month in a single country. Worldwide, their sales figures will dwarf XDA-devs' total membership - not all of whom, we must remember, are HTC owners.

The ways to hack may evolve but the security will as well and as things stand, 1024bit RSA keys (which is what Motorola use) are virtually impenetrable.

If they wanted or needed to go further, RSA keys of 2048 or 4096 bits could be used instead.

There are some articles about a team being able to crack 1024bit RSA encryption without a brute-force attack but they still needed 81 P4 CPUs working for 104 hours plus they were able to fluctuate the voltage to the encrypted system in such a way that it produced a hardware error every clock cycle.

Clearly not the most practical solution either...

You are of course right that we don't even know what HTC are going to do but it doesn't change the fact that if they get serious about locking the bootloader, there's basically nothing can be done about it and all these comments about how the dev community will find a way, no matter what are somewhat misguided.
[General Topics] ExMM:
I see your point... well at least someone is trying...

I am curious to see what's gonna happen, and seriously hope HTC would not do such a stupid thing like really lock the bootloader. I still have faith thus in technology and development.

Otherwise I am sure about one thing, they will lose another customer...
[General Topics] Step666:
Talking of people trying, there is a BOINC project to try and crack the encyption on Motorola's bootloader.

It seems to have done a lot of work and achieved very little unfortunately.
[General Topics] ExMM:
Could be a beginning of something better..
[General Topics] smashingembryos:
all we know is what were told, what we say is what were sold

The fact that that someone "may" find a work-around for things is beside the point, now i get that the only leg they have to stand on for locking anything is trademark (htc sense ui) personally i dont mind if they want to keep that un-molested but i dont feel that "protection" should include common apps/widgets and settings as most of the stuff i want to delete or modify is actually 3rd party stuff to begin with, if i want fecebook or stocks i can freely download them, so i should be able to delete the bundled extras if i want to.

yes i said fecebook

-our computers hide os files so we dont have "accidents" but we are also given the option to un-hide them, why not with our phones?

-we helped to pay for the trademarks, engineering and hardware costs when we purchased our phone, if they dont want us to mess with the trademark ui then why not give us an option to remove it?

-perhaps they warranty hardware for a period of time with original os as that is what they planned/bank on, so perhaps it should cost us a little more if we want to return a phone under warranty that broke running an operating system the company didnt test. meet me half way?

I think i will have very little selection to chose from for my next phone. (i want one that can have hardware replaced too)
[General Topics] tolis626:
Well,the most common argument here is that they want to lock down the phones' bootloaders in order to avoid the devices being rooted,not caring about the minimal number of customers they will lose.However,the ones who don't care about rooting(the vast majority of their customers as said before)won't even care if their bootloader is locked or not.Therefore,their "best" bet(best if they wanna do something to prevent rooting etc)would be to find a way(I'm sure there already is one)to be able to easily tell whether the bootloader has been fiddled with and,if it has been,refuse to repair under the warranty in case of damage.Or something like what I think is done with the Nexus line;The bootloader can easily be unlocked,but can't be relocked.

That's just my opinion though...
[General Topics] onsht1kll:
I just hope the days of rooting arent over .. i could care less about wireless tethering or anything like that .. i just like flashing custom ROMs and modding.. making it my own per say
[General Topics] gekrem:
I hope they dont like it, that would suck.
[General Topics] 3f1f37:
The only reason I rooted my Desire was to get rid of the space issues otherwise I was pretty pleased with a stock device…

Until I started flashing ROMS that have features that aren’t available on the Desire as yet like the Desire HD ROMS with updated Sense amongst other improvements not to mention the latest firmware updates, which if you live where I do, Cape Town, South Africa, you guys get updates in real time while we wait 6 to 8 months. So if they do lock the bootloader I too will look in the other direction, provided the awesome DEVS of this community cant by pass it.
[General Topics] -=SrgiO=-:
It's really curious.

At the same time it does exactly the opposite for new devices.

Luckily for the HTC maniacs! The developers will be forever!
[General Topics] motoelliot:
Ok, this is kinda sounding like 2012 conspiracy theory for the HTC E3d at this point.... but lets hope its not the apocalypse!
[General Topics] galaxys:
Least of our worries on XDA! Don't think it will ever happen...Long live hacking! ;):cool:
[General Topics] jlangton:
Exactly.

JL
[General Topics] jlangton:
Agreed. This is one of many reasons why I WILL NOT own anything that's locked down.

JL
[General Topics] bluelars:
Main reason I rooted my phone was to remove bloatware. Now that I have, I love the customization aspect. I don't think I'll ever stick with stock from now on.
[General Topics] madindehead:
UPDATE:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
[General Topics] Step666:
I remember Motorola saying something like that months and months back, nothing ever came of it.
[General Topics] madindehead:
Motorola are going to be unlocking their devices soon though (late 2011), as far as I know. So, something could come from it from HTC.
[General Topics] vbetts:
Verizon maybe the reason why the tbolt was encrypted(and also broken), but not the reason why the Desire, wildfire, etc etc seeing that they're gsm phones and mainly in the UK.
[General Topics] k_nivesout:
Yeah moto opened up the possibility of unlocked bootloaders AT THE CARRIERS DISCRETION, so something tells me nothing is gonna happen.

Ex. Droid X2-still locked down.
[General Topics] Step666:
I'll believe that when I see it.

And what about unlocked/unbranded handsets?

With Motorola at least, I think the post on facebook was BS, a stalling tactic to shut people up and keep buying their phones, safe in the knowledge that by the time people realise they're not going to unlock the bootloaders, they'll have sold a pile more phones in the mean time.

In fact, they may have had an inkling that the likes of HTC were heading down the same road and have been waiting 'til that happened.

As for HTC, I hold them in higher regard than Motorola but I remain to be convinced.
[General Topics] madindehead:
Well, the carriers obviously don't have a problem with Samsung sending out devices with unlocked bootloaders! Given Motorola said they will start unlocking devices in LATE 2011, there is still a little while to go guys!

HTC used to send out phones with unlocked bootloaders, so I don't think the carriers had a problem before.

I am sure they will come to something. I hope, that given they have announced they are going to review it, they will change things. If they weren't ever going to change it, they would simply just not say anything.
[General Topics] zhangzc:
So,it means HTC Incredible couldn't be allowed to flash custom ROM? My friend just wanna to buy this phone,maybe I should tell him to find another one .
[General Topics] killabee44:
One thing you have to realize is the difference between a locked bootloader and an Encrypted bootloader. HTC is talking about Encryption.

An Encrypted bootloader cannot be currently be cracked. Well, maybe eventually, but it would take a really long time. By the time the encryption is cracked, we will be upgrading to a new device.

So, if this policy remains, I think Ill do just like someone else that posted here and just move on to another manufacturer. Im guessing LG...

Let's see what that Nexus 3 brings and which carrier it drops on.

Oh, well. :(
[General Topics] k_nivesout:
The original incredible isn't affected by this, it has a ton of custom roms. The incredible 2 though, has an encrypted bootloader so you're SOL on that one.

As for Motorola, I was thinking more about their phones on Verizon (carrier I happen to be on). With Verizon banning tethering apps on their market, I'm thinking they wouldn't be real cool with easily rootable devices.

I really wonder who ends up making the decisions about things like this most the time though, the manufacturer or carrier?
[General Topics] lati90:
That´s to bad, the only reason i flashed my phone was because it used to have winmo 6,5 hehe xD android rocks
[General Topics] jeremyharith:
oh god no...
[General Topics] galaxys:
Just saw this article at tmobnews:

"HTC Says They Are Reviewing Their Bootloader Policy

We're about to give HTC a pat on the back as they are listening to the complaints of HTC owners who are upset with their locked bootloader policy. HTC hears you and while that's they aren't promising a policy reversal at the very least HTC is acknowledging complaints. Samsung should take note of this next time they want to look back at the Vibrant Froyo debacle... Read more" here
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
I think this is just a plot to get people to ease up off HTC and feel comfortable so then people will buy thinking there's a chance for unlocked bootloaders. Then BAM, you get lied to.
[General Topics] killabee44:
Yeah, it could very well be B.S. Well, more than likely it is...

But at this point Ive made my mind up to just move on. That way if they leave their roms encrypted, I won't be disappointed.

Ive had my hero for so damn long.. Maybe Ill just wait for the damn Nexus3 lol.
[General Topics] :
Would not touch their products even with a 10ft pole.. :mad:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/02/sonys-war-on-makers-hackers-and-innovators.html

Wrt HTC - as I already said on the other thread here - vote with your $$$s and do not buy products from such companies. ;)
[General Topics] hd2000:
Reason why I chose not to buy the Sensation...
[General Topics] masterchop:
why is the market always looking for way to make our lifes really bore, i play with roms more that using them jajaja
[General Topics] agentJBM:
HTC said that they were considering locking the bootloader on March 24. Shorty after, around March 30, Sony Ericsson released their statement about listening to their customers and deciding to open the bootloader on new devices.

HTC customers followed suit and voiced their complaints, along with the positive reaction to Sony Ericsson's move, and HTC releases a statement that they are reconsidering the bootloader locking policy. Hmmmm

What confuses me is the rumors that Android and the carriers are working to deny updates to rooted phones.
[General Topics] sambwel:
I get the feeling these sorts of actions are mostly at the request of carriers.. Even so, there is no need to apply a policy like this across all models. If a carrier has specific requests for their variant, apply it only to the carrier-specific model! That way consumers have a choice.
[General Topics] intheb0x:
WRONG.

this was just posted on HTC facebook page.

"HTC

‎"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC

2 minutes ago · 35116 · Unlike · "
[General Topics] :
Yes I saw that too!!
[General Topics] munesh23:
YAY its now open again!
[General Topics] zizo79:
Will this be retroactive to older devices?
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
That's the question now.

The 4 phones in question.

Thunderbolt, Sensation, 3D, and Incredible S

Will something save them? Who knows.
[General Topics] galaxys:
Awesome news for the XDA & HTC gang! Hope it includes the Sensation :)
[General Topics] jassyfr:
;)good news by far~

the locked bootloaders policy is not welcomed, as Motorola.
[General Topics] actvnj:
Good God

Good to know HTC is not left out from the community
[General Topics] qipengart:
Yeah the Incredible 2 is a toughie. I wanted it but the locked bootloader left me in the cold.
[General Topics] orb3000:
As far as I understand those devices will stay locked....

Hope I´m wrong...
[General Topics] killabee44:
Yeah, I hope you're wrong too.. that would be messed up!
[General Topics] champking:
sad news for my brother who owns a desire and.i wax planning.to buy one too
[General Topics] agentJBM:
Read the thread. HTC already reversed their decision. Bootloader will remain unlockable on HTC....
[General Topics] orb3000:
Luckily I was wrong:p :)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ve-an-unlocked-bootloader-one-way-or-another/
[General Topics] galaxys:
Keep up the good work :p:D
[General Topics] wattnxt:
Don't forget the INC2. It is the only HTC global phone in VZW lineup and just BARELY out of the gates, soon to get GB.

Let's hope the GB update brings unlock to all those devices that get it...more too, but start small and think big...:D
[General Topics] Patato22:
well this seck bad
[General Topics] Spl4tt:
its amazing. i almost lost hope in htc..

i was so happy when i read the news :))
[General Topics] murilomartins:
If they promisse to us that will update sense forever, ok for me.
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
I am on liberty 1.5 and I was trying to instal the frost theme in the liberty toolbox and I have been having a lot of trouble. I started with pushing install. It says downloading/installing theme. Then it reboots into recovery and tries to install. I get an error saying that it can't be installed because the file doesn't exist. I check in the liberty downloads folder and it is not there.

I've tried deleting old themes in the folder and I have tried to install it from the toolbox several times. Does anyone have any ideas on what I should do differently? Or an alternative way to download it?
[Droid X General] djnikkofb:
Try using ROM manager. Flash the current rom for clock work mod, than do the theme installation from toolbox, also check your toolbox version. You can get an update from the market if out of date.

Sent from my DROIDX. Liberty 1.5/nex theme
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
I have done all of this. The problem is that the liberty toolbox does not download the file. It just boots into recovery and tries to install it. This obviously won't work because the file was never downloaded.

Is there possibly a link to simply download the theme online? The one I'm looking for is the frost theme.

Or do I just have to stick with the one I have or pick a different one?
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
Ok something new happened! It turns out rom manager needed to update. So I did that and flashed the CWM. Now the liberty toolbox makes an empty zip file and names it frostheme.zip. However, since there is nothing in it, installation is about because the file is bad

Does anyone have the file or a link that they could post to help me out? That or help on how to get this to work would be greatly appreciated
[A7 General] smallba:
Like the title states, I been having trouble with this if anybody can point me in the right direction. I have tried resizing the image to 800x480 but no luck:confused:
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Morkai Almandragon:
I have settled on CM nightlies for the Rom, after discovering my bloody battery was the cause of random reboots, they have been incredibly (pardon the pun) stable.

That being said I am more than happy with the speed of the Incredible, and would like to focus on wireless reliability (anyone else who uses Wifi and BT simultaniously, with a tether thrown in now and then should know what I mean). Of course I want good battery life, so a minor undervolt would be nice, and more than two touch points would be a huge bonus (I long emu's).

Anyhow I am currently looking at Tiamat. It has everything but the built in undervolt. On the DX I used droid overclock app to undervolt, but on the incredible it does nto seem to be as simple?

What I would really like to know is if those with experience think this would be a good setup considering my needs, and maybe some undervolt advice.

Thanks in advance:)
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhaowenbiao:
Incredible

Why can appear loading error code 1311. Please helpe me,thnkes.
[Android Software Development] hossizzle:
Hello all! I'm somewhat new to Android development, I'm using eclipse to do all of my development. Right now I am working on an "away message text" application. I am having trouble with database query returning a string of the first index of data. Here is my code where i am trying to pull data from the database. This is being done inside my ReceiveText class, which extends BroadcastReceiver.

mDbHelper = new TextsDbAdapter(context);

mDbHelper.open();

getText = mDbHelper.fetchText(0);

message = getText.getString(getText.getColumnIndex(mDbHelper.KEY_BODY)).toString();

The error that I am getting is Cursor index out of bounds...any recommendations? Thanks!
[Android Software Development] alostpacket:
you always start out of bounds.... you have to moveToFirst() first...
[Android Software Development] hossizzle:
Thanks. Would I moveToFirst() before I fetchText()?
[Android Software Development] smaskell:
you're probably going to have to change how the fetchText method is implemented.

you'll probably want something like

public String fetchText(int id){
Cursor c = getContentResolver().query( uri,
new String[] { <name_of_text_column> } ,
"_id == " + id, null, null);

String text = null;

if( c != null ){
if( c.moveToFirst() ){
text = c.getString( c.getColumnIndex( <name_of_text_column> ) );
}
c.close();
}

return text;

}
[Android Software Development] hossizzle:
Thanks. The method I have for fetchText returns a Cursor, however I made another method that returns a string, similar to what you recommended. For some reason, there is something wrong with the rowid sending in, I want to just get the first one, if I'm not mistaken, wouldn't it be 0? I have a seperate ReceiveText.java class, which extends Broadcast Receiver. The part where the messages are stored into the database is very similar to androids notepad demo. When a text is received, I want the ReceiveText class to query the database and just pull the first text that was actually stored into the database. I have 3 columns, KEY_ROWID, KEY_TITLE, and KEY_BODY. For some reason there is an issue when trying to query the database from the ReceiveText class. Any ideas that would make better sense or be easier to implement? Any help is much appreciated.
[Android Software Development] smaskell:
oh, right. I wasn't paying attention and for some reason I thought it was returning a string. I see now that it's obviously a cursor..

what you are doing sounds fine but you sure really look at the database on the phone/emulator.

open up adb and type

sqlite3 /data/data/<name_of_app>/databases/<name_of_db>

then you can do

select * from <name_of_table>

personally, I find it way easier to read if you change the mode with a ".mode line" command(the dot is important).

that should give you a good idea of why it is not working properly.
[Android Software Development] hossizzle:
How do I open up the adb? I looked online, and it says i can run it through command line, or terminal since I use ubuntu, but I'm not sure exactly how to open it. Apologies for my noobness with android development :( i'm trying to learn!
[Android Software Development] smaskell:
if you're running it on a phone/tablet, you'll have to set up the adb drivers

but if you're just using the emulator, you're fine

cd /<path_to_sdk>/platform-tools/
./adb devices ##this should list the device. if not you have a problem.
./adb shell

and now you can execute commands on the device, like sqlite3