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[Windows Phone 7 General] Pdauser92:
+1

If I listened to all of the negative posts on these forums my Omnia 7 would be on eBay right now, despite the fact that it already does the majority of the things I need ;-)

As early adopters people need to realise that there are compromises to be made in the short term. When HTC released the first Android phone it languished in the wilderness (with no updates) for over a year before people started paying attention to the platform.

I don't remember its early adopters complaining as much as they do on these forums regarding WP7. The fact is that it was a fairly low key launch compared to WP7 and so people didn't have unrealistic expectations.

For those that despise the WP7 platform/their devices, eBay is your friend. Sell your device and put yourself out of your misery.

Thank goodness I'm able to resist "group think" and make my own decisions. :-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I think you are one of the biggest offenders on here. You don't know own a native wp7 device, yet are on here everyday talking about it like you are.

Same with vetvito and a host of others.

I'm guessing overall, there are more people who love this OS/device, then hate it. If you judge from these forums, you wouldn't be able to figure this out.

XDA really has gone downhill unless you love android. I can understand that some people are frustrated that MS went away from winmo, but bashing wp7 for not being winmo to me is a flawed concept. Yes winmo is the most versatile mobile OS, but it's stilled a very flawed product that usually couldn't make it through the day without freezeups. So MS, totally redesigned the UI, went to strict hardware and software standards, and now everyone is complaining its too closed.

As for people who want all those things you mentioned that people want in an OS: if they really want all those things in an OS and bought a wp7 device, then tough. All those things are known to not exist yet in wp7. For most of those "features" IOS didn't have them until recently and yet the iphone is the most popular phone ever.

The only valid complaint I think people have at this point is the update schedule. MS did promise a faster update schedule. But this is a new OS and if you didn't want to grow with it, then don't jump on.

And for all of you android lovers that come in here everyday and criticize the OS everyday with the same rants everyday:

GET A LIFE!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
do you own a wp7 device???

The only "bugs" I've encountered have been the marketplace bug and problems with live tiles. Other than that, I haven't been able to reproduce any of the bugs others have posted. And supposedly, I have one of the worst wp7 devices (according to y'all), the hd7.

Are those wp7 bugs or OEM bugs. Maybe you need to call your OEM and ask them to fix problems with your phone.

For me, I get info from:

www.wpcentral.com

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/

www.engadget.com

www.pocketnow.com

www.tmonews.com

www.phonedog.com

I've gotten to the point where I hardly come on xda, where before I checked it several times a day.

If everyone on here actually had a wp7 device then I would agree with you.

wp7 will pass blackberry:

http://wpcentral.com/windows-phone-poised-overtake-rim

The arguments of decreased marketshare in your link are flawed in that they combine wp7 and winmo. Of course everyone is leaving winmo, its been sinking for the last year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
to be fair, there must be haters of the platform who harp on each and every flaw of the system in order for there to be progression

just as we love wp7, there will be others who hate it

same goes for android

there will always be 2 sides of a coin, so my suggestion is that regardless of which side of the fence you are on, just be civil to each other
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
It's been said several times. Yes, WP7 does actually miss a lot of features that have become standards throughout the past few years (copy and paste, custom ringtones, just to mention a few). But that has never been a secret. There wasn't even the need to do an immense amount of research figuring these so called missing features out. So if you bought a WP7 device and do now complain about what it doesn't offer: it's your very own fault. Not MS, not the device's manufacturer, not the carrier.

I recently traded my HD2 in for a HD7. Why? Because I got tired of spending hours and hours on flashing, customizing and ****. I used to use custom WM 6.5 ROMs mostly (NRG ROMs to give it a name) and was pretty happy with it. Every once in a while I fiddled around with different AD SD builts until DFT released MAGLDR. I then started flashing all kinds of Android builts. And just like WM 6.5 I spent a large amount of time making it look and act the way I want. And even worse than with WM 6.5, I never was fully satisfied with it. Then DFT made WP7 on HD2 possible, which of course I tried as well. Now guess what. Even though it - currently - lacks some features I used to have and use with WM 6.5 and even Android, for the first time I didn't feel any need to customize anything. It just looks and acts absolutely clean. And that's why I traded my HD2 in for the HD7. I wanted apps to work flawlessly. I didn't want wait enormously long to download and install apps, I wanted a working camera. AND -> I wanted to be able to just use the updates natively rather than having to be forced to flash again.

Speaking about apps. So some people complain about the large amount of fart and other bull**** apps that can be found on the marketplace. Sure, they exist. But what's so different from the android market or even the appstore? Every marketplace offers a whole frigging bunch of useless apps. So where's the point?

Well, that's just my personal and very own point of view. Just my opinion. And therefore it's legit. Just as legit as the opinion of all those "haters" is. The difference is, that I don't need to flood the android, WM or iOS forums with my opinion.

Don't get me wrong. It's absolute okay with me - and I'm sure with most other users out there as well - to point out negative aspects of WP7. But does that really need to be in every single thread? Over and over again? I don't think so.

You like Android? Or iOS? Or WM? That's fairly okay. Just accept that there are people that do like WP7. Do not try and convince them otherwise. Respect their opinion and personal likes just as they respect yours. Live and let live.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
What are you a Microsoft employee? WP7, must be perfect and we are all making stuff up? To go from WM to Windows phone is shocking.

Have I made something up against WP? It lags and crashes just like WM, doesn't it? Is that a lie? The devices are neutered, is that a lie, is that hate?

Its people like you who ruin XDA. You offer no substance, on subliminal insults that lead to flame wars.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
+1 to you vetvito

we are just being fair and talk the truth...no hate...whatever...maybe M$ pay them to ruin XDA.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Of course I own a device, that earns me the right to complain even if others don't agree. Live tiles and push notifications have never worked on a consistent level. An app like eBay for instance shouldn't notify you you've been outbid when your auction has actually already ended. It defeats the purpose.

I'm not even going into the Live tiles fiasco, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't for no reason and all the developers point at Microsoft for being responsible.

Instead of grouping everything into one big update like NoDo or Mango, they should have regular, monthly updates like they do on the PC. Even if these fix one bug at a time, at least we wouldn't have to wait months for improvements to the OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yeah that would be great, just like they do it nicely on PCs.

And I'm also surprised those advertised live tiles work like **** basically.

Looks like all developers have problem with these. I think users should decide when they're updated!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ErikWithNoC:
I think we all need to chill out. Some people think WP7 is great and thats fine. Some people think there are issues with it and thats fine. If you feel peoples arguments are incorrect then prove them wrong. By not backing up your claims/disproving others than maybe a valid point has been made.

You don't need to follow what everyone else says, but you don't need to believe that your device is perfect either. If you like it then what are you complaining for? Your complaining because others are complaining? Thats a little silly don't you think?

Everybody has an opinion and thats all they are, opinions. Don't let them get you this angry because it's not going to help. The best thing you can do is come to your own conclusions and dispute the inflammatory responses from those who are incorrect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sketchy9:
Why do you care so much if someone switched from WM 6.5 to WP7? S/he gave clear, concise reasons why it was a good choice for him/her. You don't like it, fine. No one is forcing you to make the switch. Are you so petty that you must attack someone who made a choice they wanted to make and are happy with the results?

"It lags and crashes just like WM, doesn't it? Is that a lie?" Yes, frankly, I think it is. If you seriously think that WP7 devices lag and crash with the same frequency as WM 6.5 devices, I think there's nothing more anyone can say to you. You either don't own a WP7 device, or are so blinded by rage (against a phone!!) that you can't acknowledge facts.

-R
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
No, it doesn't lag like WM and I've never had a crash on any device but the surround and that's because HTC sucks. If by lag you mean the start-up process of games then I guess I need to throw my 360 out the window because that thing lags like crazy by that definition. I think Borderlands takes more than a full minute to really start up. As for your devices being "neutered" argument I truly have no idea what you mean by that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I used Wm6x devices and WP7.

Yes, WP7 lags exactly like WM, just with a different style.

In reverse has 50% of WM functionality and basic problems.

I was convinced that WP7 does at least WELL and CORRECTLY what is available.

But now I know it's not true. It doesn't. There's no area where it performs 100% EXPECTED things. I'm not talking about missing stuff but things are already designed.

WP7 is flawed at the moment. I experience this every day. It's a real crap IMO. Like a lie.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
You're just bashing WP7 without foundation, you have been for some time. If you bought the device expecting to install a third party everything on it then I'm sorry you failed to research your product but I have every WP7 device released in the U.S.A. and though they may not have as many functions as other OSes everything they do they do cleaner and more efficiently than any other smartphone OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
If you read correctly what I wrote you'll see it was not about 3rd party apps.

This is a separate issue.

I'm saying the device is refusing to properly do in 100% designed tasks.

I know what I'm saying and it's not about "bugs" or specific device problems.

In fact more I use it more I feel this MS "smell" like a Vista I would say. Like not finished thing. I could give really long list of things which are screwed totally.

Of course, as a toy and nice gadget Wp7 is sweet. But it's not a serious smartphone but any means. I would advertise it as a device for kids.

And doing this again. Telling others about their rights... Well I have 100% percent foundation, I use it in full and own it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Saying that WP7 lags outside of poorly coded third party apps is a joke, there truly is no smartphone OS closer to being 100 percent lag-free. You come up with a list of all the things wrong with the OS and I'll come up with an equal length list of everything wrong with any other mobile OS and not near a many positives. As a serious smartphone contender it's what the market needs. A phone that is a phone not something you have to live by and flash roms daily like android or a status symbol like an iphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Saying that WP7 lags and crashes just like WM is complete and utter bull****. It can't even theoretically do this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Precisely I wrote "lagging", not crashing.

Yes WP7 is sometimes terribly lagging because it can't handle ATM some fast app switching. Besides browser and Office issues.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Of course, every OS has it's flaws, but so what? Based on this logic you don't have any credit to say whether WP7 is good or not.

Don't pretend you don't understand these basics, or maybe you really don't?

There are things which are basic and some which are not for the modern OS.

As a contender, if that's what market needs - congrats with 3.000.000 millions sold right? So you mean, market needs it but doesn't buy it, right?

Don't get me wrong, WP7 has a lot of good stuff inside, but half of the things I read about it are myths. I find it worse than described.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
If WP7 had been the first OS on the scene it would be the top right now, people don't just instantly transition from one thing to the next and people don't know what they need. If they did religion would be abolished and most countries wouldn't hate each other. I am still wondering which WP7 device you have though as I cannot re-produce any sort of lag on my device. When I walked into the T-mobile store initially on the HD7s first day I asked to see it and the guy said "It lags a lot, see?" and he tried to reproduce it and couldn't. I have yet to see a bit of lag on the platform. I will readily admit, always, that WP7 does lack features that are needed in a modern OS but all of what it does do it does better than the competition and I find it to be the better choice for those who don't NEED to tinker.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crubbish:
Yes, there's quite a bit of negativity coming from many wp7 users and I'm afraid it'll be getting worse. What do you expect? WP 7 (NODO or pre-NODO) is lacking features, settings and "tweakability" available with other platforms. Novelty factor wears out; smoothness and "fluidity", although enjoyable, are not going to compensate the shortcomings forever. Typical XDA member wants full functionality whether it's there out of the box or achieved by tweaks. Not possible with WP7, sorry. MS has taken a slow pace with their updates so it's also clear that WP7 will stay in it's "castrated" state at least for another 6 months. That's why frustration will grow. WP7 in its current state is a consumer platform, it certainly is not good for power user (unless power user wants a "vacation" from real smartphone). XDA is exactly the place for power users so expect more complaints and criticism.

Question to WP7 lovers (no sarcasm), do you recommend the platform to any of your friends/relatives/colleagues?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I've gotten everyone I can on the side of WP7. The point of WP7 is it does function out of the box. Out of the 20+ android devices I had I had to flash a rom on each of them typically at least once a week just to get it partially functional. Regardless of what you do to it though it still feels like an OS in it's beta stage. WP7 feels like an OS that's lacking features. Android feels like an OS that shouldn't have been released to the general public just yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
Yes I would. And I have and a few of them have bought WP7 devices as well. You must realize that not everyone is xda level geeks. Features aren't everything. Look at the first iphone, it was missing so many features but people didn't care. Similary most people don't really care about WP7s missing features. What it does, it does much better than most platforms out there. The UI is fluid. Great software keyboard. Great multimedia application. Very smooth web browser. These are the things that the average user faces most in every day usage.

The market nowdays doesn't want WM6.5. MS tried to give people tweakable, feature complete OS, but it didn't do well. The market demands UX over anything else and WP7 has this in plenty and it's the only one in the market which differentiates in UX from Apple. Android and everything else is similar to iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
To the original post, the major problem on XDA is people coming from Windows Mobile 6.5 expecting Windows Phone 7 to be similar with similar features, apps etc and then finding it's not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crubbish:
20+ devices? What made you so persistent buying new Android device practically every month mate?
[Windows Phone 7 General] crubbish:
Well, perhaps people expect WP7 to not have Less features than WM 6.5 had. Considering that the latter dates back to 2008 and the former is produced (by the same company) in 2010 what is wrong with such assumption?
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
Why would they expect that considering the fact that it was widely publicised months before the release that wp7 would be lacking features at start. Had MS not gave out details then that assumption would be perfectly fine but given the fact that everything was laid out in the open there was no need to assume anything in the first place.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
I never said there was anything wrong with it, I wont get into that debate because it's pointless. All I said was that is the reason why "The WP7 forums are more filled with people who hate WP7 than people who like it".
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Excuse me but that means you're an masochist having +20 Androids and using them thinking they are sh..t.

And the necessity of flashing Android devices to get them "functional" - well, I have no idea what you do with them than. But it sounds hilarious.

Anyway, WP7 out of the box is smooth and that's about it. Nothing else really.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It was mainly trades, always looking for an upgrade for free. Traded all the way from a crappy T-mobile Dash to 2 awesome smartphones without spending a dime because I was not going to invest in android as it was no better than winmo

Now that WP7 is out I dont mind putting a bit of money out there for my devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crubbish:
sure, I agree
[Windows Phone 7 General] LGIQEXPO:
I must agree with all the things people have said here. I was forced to a Windows Phone 7 phone, because I previously had a Windows Mobile Phone (I actually loved it) but the phone broke 3 times and the warranty replaced it with an LG Optimous 7... Now honestly I like and hate this OS...

One MAJOR thing I like is compared to my previous phone running our old friend Windows Mobile, this OS is far far more stable and honestly more eye pleasing, not to mention its wider array of app development and amazingly fun addicting games... something Windows Mobile never really got.

I hate, however, the no copy paste, no flash or HTML5, no multitasking, no file explorer (I cant unlock the thing a second time :/) no sideloading apps, no memory cards! (Microsoft you a********s) and no real features like Windows Mobile was full of. Its locked down no matter how you look at it. I simply hope that Microsoft over time brings up worth while updates or that another unlock comes by to save us!

Comon Microsoft! Windows Mobile was powerful!!! combine power to user friendliness! Its not rocket science!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] hamzie:
Atleast now you have another user who likes wp7 :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
This was known from the very beginning. If somebody needs a "real smartphone", he should go and get one, I'd say. It's beyond my comprehension to see people buying WP7 and complaining it's not what they think it should be.

I don't, but that's primarily because of the fact that it doesn't work properly in Russia, and I talk people out of the hassle of creating US WLIDs and stuff like that. Otherwise I'd certainly recommend it over Android to most (but not all) people, but not necessarily over the iPhone. Whether I would recommend it or not to specific people would depend on what they need to do with their phones.

As far as I myself am concerned, the only gaps in functionality that are annoying are lack of copy and paste, poor international support, and lack of navigation and local apps (like Yandex Traffic or Afisha). Other people may miss IM clients or what not, but since I personally don't use those I don't care for multitasking, for example.

Generally I don't care if it's a "real smartphone" or a red elephant as long as it does what I need well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crubbish:
Do you expect people that are unhappy with their devices to sell them quietly and move on? Not everyone is as wise and mature as you are. People make emotional purchases. People may have had (groundless) expectations that WP7 won't be less functional than WM6.5 was. Some adventurous people might have even believed MS promises for regular updates.

As for me, I don't complain. I was only trying to explain why the number of "haters" grows. And I believe the number of new WP7 users this year will almost be outweighed by the number of people leaving the platform. MS could have done one simple thing to prevent this. They would need to provide a more frequent schedule for updates (at least 3 for 2011) with clear outline what users will get with each one of them. Then it'd be a lot less of complaining and and a lot less people abandoning WP7. As an example, I miss native speed dial, smart dialing, independant volume settings for system/media/notifications sounds, more robust calendar application, AppMarket reliability (freezes), reliable alarm clock with ability to set my tune as alarm sound and whatever else, say there's a list of 10 features that I personally consider more or less critical. So if I knew that 3 features from my list are going to be covered by "June update", then another 2 will come with "September update" and finally 2 more with "December update", I'd be feeling a lot more comfortable even considering that 3 items from my list are not covered this year. What I know now is that there'll be no updates for at least another 6 months after NODO. And the 2 things I know about this next update are not really critical for me. This realy makes me thinking whether I stay with WP7 or move back to Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yep, and Apple releases bugfix updates like clockwork. Microsoft? /shrug/

No one expected a bug-free OS. They expected a well-supported OS - at least better supported than Android. Right now Microsoft is making Android manufacturers look like the crown jewels of the Software market.

Hell, they're making Vibrant users who *****ed for months about updates feel pretty good they brought that phone instead of a WP7 device, Lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
They've already done this. That's how these businesses work.

That is why iOS gets better support from the Windows Live team than WP7 right now. They churned out a perfectly fine WLM client for iOS, but WP7 users are still wondering why we are being punished with Messenger by Miyowa. Piece of **** still doesn't work right even after an update.