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[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] compumasta:
So say it takes a month for them to make the actual decision to upgrade the x10. How long ago was it that devs showed that most of the arcs fw worked on x10. That just proved that they could 1. Save public face and 2. Accomplish it with relatively low effort and money invested.

Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Intentionally upset us? This is a very large corporation, with real human beings working and making decisions that effect their own careers as well as make the company money by keeping their customers happy. It is absurd that so many people here on xda believe that thousands of SE employees and directors sit around thinking of ways to screw people over. Their jobs and the company are at stake as well.

Quit trying to find a reason behind all their actions. People and companies are not perfect, plain and simple. Why does a mistake have to be malicious? Would you work for a company that purposely chose to neglect their products and their customers?

I don't think some of the people here have ever had a career or worked for a company that they cared about. These are highly educated professionals who worked hard to get where they are and take pride in their work.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alankstiyo:
will agree just in part with you, sometimes executives will make decisions for their own benefit anyway at least they made a good decision trying to keep us satisfied after giving us way too many reasons to change our phones

I remember SCEA hearing us when we wanted in-game xmb they tried hard to give it to us w/o hesitation or any statement saying no, even though it's a different division from SE I think they must have part of the same rules (let's say keep the customer satisfied and happy)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
Lol all you did was dance around my question, very politician like...

Why not just not make a statement then? I'm confused as to what possible reasoning there could be if it was in the works since january like unknown13x said...

It just doesn't make any sense...

i know you're the type that hates to question anything, but not all of us are so easily placated..

I don't get why you get so damn defensive though, I never insulted them, I'm quite pleased since finding out about the update. I still question things, I'm an engineer that also has a philosophy degree, I'm a fairly curious individual lol
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msprahalad:
Very very very happy :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] truefat:
A corporation is a dictatorship not a commune. It doesn't matter how passionate the thousands of employees are. They don't make the decisions. Why do you think SEleak decided to post when he did? It only takes one corporate prick to piss on everything.

Now why is it that you are so obsessed with defending a multibillion dollar corporation like it's a lost puppy?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nocturnal310:
glad i didnt sell my X10i.

finally our petition paid off.

Good job guys!

i am sure SE heard our voices
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chaostimmy:
3! They need more time to bring new phones to the market cause that earthquake disaster so they have to bring the old x10 back in the game
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamieridler:
This is good news, all the complainers and moaners need to STFU lol.

It would have been much better for SE to release the update for ALL the 2010 range, but who knows, they might do so by the time its out. If they have gone this far after saying no future updates then who knows.

Im happy to just stick with CM 6.1.3 V05 till SE's 2.3.3 comes out and then ill give that a try :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kunalgahlot:
when do you guys think 2.3.3 ROM will be leaked, it will be on non branded so i am sure we don't have to wait for the kits!!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrismorgann:
We should all prepare our selves for all the threads that will come after this update that will go along the lines of; we want 2.4 rah rah.

But this is great news that we are getting 2.3.3
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
See I don't think so man, I think most people are happy enough with this. I know I am... Expecting any more would just be ridiculous
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pngface:
I say we start a 2.4 thread right now!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
:D lol 10 chars.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Candy[MAN]:
I would have been happy with 2.2 from SE. 2.3 is a bonus!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rojdag:
I hope SE are being cautious with their release date, Q3 is a long time away, my 18month contract is up in december but im grateful anyhow.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamieridler:
Lol good point, probably true too :P
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JasonGee:
God, I guess I have to take back all the hate speech about Sony now! If they give us gingerbread on the X10 then I'm back to being a huge SE fan!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Shows how little you know. Every corporation is run by a board of directors who answer to the shareholders (owners) who's main responsibility is to increase profits to increase the share price and pay dividends. There are 100's of checks and balances from the retailer to upper management. You obviously don't know how business works.

What you refer to as a dictatorship would be a sole proprietor, like your landscaper or plumber.

@ fiscidtox, I wasn't attacking you directly. I was surprised to read a few days ago that you are an electrical engineer, so I know you should understand better how this type of thing works. Honestly, it makes me wonder if you are still in school or have any real world experience. No disrespect intended. This is not like baking an instant cake that comes in a box with step by step instructions. Look at our devs, while they are supposedly more skilled than SE devs we still don't have a fully functional ROM or a cracked bootloader after a year, and they are free to do whatever they want.

I myself have 15 years of corporate management experience, including being Vice President of Operations for the fourth fastest growing company in Florida. We developed new technologies that are being used worldwide, and I can promise you that development of any idea takes time, money, testing, and further testing. I personally have worked on many projects that have six months to a year of exploration, testing, and development before it is ever mentioned or released to our customers.

As I have said over and over here, SE's biggest mistake was releasing a statement so soon after releasing 2.1 update. They responded honestly to the public outcry for another update immediately after their last update. Haven't you seen the leaked "road map for the X10" that had been out since before October? SE never planned initially to go beyond 2.1, and they definitely had a major change course to get rid of mediascape and face recognition. If you can't see that they changed direction based on consumer response, then I really don't think SE needed to do any of this. They have supported this device like no other Android has gotten support. From 1.6 to 2.3 and dual touch implementation. Are you kidding me that your only complaint is that they didn't send you the memo?

Maybe this analogy will help. If you asked your parents for a new Mercedes for Christmas, and they told you upfront, No Johnny, you have to keep your BMW from last year, but then on Christmas day you wake up and run downstairs to find Santa bought you that new Mercedes after all. Would you stomp your feet up and down, and call your parents liars? No, you would thank them for listening to your request.

I also said that this would happen with this very small portion of users. They would see it as their victory, and instead of shutting them up it would only embolden them.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
You're acting as if they were timely with their updates and release. The 1.6 to 2.1 upgrade doesn't count in my mind, it was simply catching up to where the phone should have been..

Although this made me happy, it isn't a gift.. we deserve this.

Once again I doubt we will be able to agree on this, we just don't see eye to eye here.

I still think that the lies don't make up for this and I can't see the logic you claim. They said that our phone couldn't support 2.1 as it couldn't handle it... They also said dual rouch was impossible.

I just don't see their reasoning with the statements they make. They could just avoid these statements and save a lot of trouble.

P.S- I have plenty of experience... I also never said anything about not"getting the memo", if anything I said they shouldn't have sent out one

if they were going to flip flop and just kept their mouth shut.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] subbuaxel:
HI Guys,

I have a query here...

If someone has installed cyanogen Mod 6.1.3 in their X10 and now want to update to 2.3 gingerbread,can we use the same SEUS for updating or need to flash the factory rom again and then upgrade?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] someone2kill:
I hope it's true... just wait to see...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] batman_112:
You knew the phone was running 1.6 when you bought it and they clearly announced that it would be upgraded to 2.1 by the end of 2010. So why did you buy the phone? Maybe you should have opted for something else.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwer23:
Seems the discussion from before the 2.1 Update is repeating itself... is that really necessary?

Sent from my rooted X10i using CM7 v011
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] truefat:
Now that you mention it, Gaddafi does look like a plumber.

You make it sound like the CEO has to put his hand up to go to the washroom. Why is it that you think you know the limitations of every exec in every corporation?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
I bought it after that time, just a couple months ago actually.. I'm just stating that really that doesn't count as an upgrade. I love the phone and am pumped about the update. People seem to get really defensive when you question anything about SE
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Candy[MAN]:
Q3 is this summer (May to July)....not too far away.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darksherko:
Super epic but se s a bit too late sorry
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Calling them liars is where we differ. Do you call the astronomers who originally called Pluto a planet liars, or did new information and technology come into light that allowed them to revisit the original conclusion and adjust accordingly? I agree they were too honest with their plans. That doesn't make them liars. Could dualtouch have been implemented on the 1.6 kernel? NO, so they did not lie. Did they say the X10 couldn't run gingerbread? NO, they said Froyo reduced performance and I am assuming that was with their bloatware which is not a lie either.

The word you are looking for is conservative, not liars. They error on the side of caution. It's not like they promised us stuff and then didn't deliver. Except hdmi or whatever it is called, a tiny implementation. Flip flopping does not apply to technology. New technology allows for new things to happen. Again, as an engineer you would know that something that isn't possible under the current environment, could become possible with a change in technology. That is not lying. That is progress. I thought there were supposed to be a bunch of techies on this website???..
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Candy[MAN]:
You will need to install a factory ROM first if you want to use SEUS for the update to 2.3.3.

If you want to use Flashtool, once the files are released (.sin files), all you need is to use Flashtool to update to 2.3.3.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The Realone:
The truth lies in between. A COE of a company of SE's size does not make the decisions all the way down to the device. (S)He is just the person with the final responsibility. CEO's are responsible for the people below them, that includes the managers that make the working floor decisions.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BoiseMCSS:
Okay here's my question (remember I'm a noob LOL), is this going to be for Europe or global? The blog mentions 2.1, but North America is only up to 1.6. So is this global or not?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
Promising 65 million colors wasn't a lie?

How are we not "techies" because we don't agree with you? that's the standard of intellect on this forum?

I also don't know how you could claim people aren't techies (making yourself out to be superior) and yet agree with the reduced performance froyo statement, even with their bloatware.... Obviously you don't know as much as you think.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
Also I know that there was no "change in technology" (technological shift) that you speak of, so if anything it is my further knowledge of electronics that could be causing our disagreement and my different point of view, not vice versa as you seem to imply
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Candy[MAN]:
It will most likely be Global.

Just a little reminder that the USA is not North America....it is part of it.

Canada is at 2.1 and so is Mexico. USA is stuck on 1.6 (branded).
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ImS0Raw:
I can't wait till my summer holidays. Thats when the release is planned!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BoiseMCSS:
Didn't know that Canada and Mexico got 2.1.

Sorry
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Anandc:
I don't care when it comes. I wanted Flash for browser and Wifi Tethering.. also Apps2SD. While I was suppose to stick with X10 and buy a new phone by next year, this turns out to be a great news for me and am sure for many of others who intend to stay long with X10 (some care about Q3 as it gets too late.. I don't. So STFU and don't try to put a statement that "nobody" wants it too late)

Cmon give some credit to SE. They may suck and must be worst out of all but they are still right up there trying to help. People who still have complaint about having 2.3 are simply douchebags!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] basisnederland:
Nice, but i hope rooting works on 2 3.3 because after rooting and deleting se apk,s my x10 boots super fast and is much faster overall.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mylovelyhorse:
Couldn't agree more - they showed SE it could be done reliably and proved that not upgrading was product suicide.

Three cheers for XDA! Hurrah for SE listening!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jayman1986:
U don't need to install a factory Rom first, I installed a fresh version of 2.1 while on a custom Rom just by using SEUS.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Yes, how about 2.1 for dual touch, and r&d for the Arc and Play for gingerbread for changes in technology. If that isn't a Change, then why is everyone wanting the updates?

Also, not trying to be superior in any way. It just seems to me that you are thinking with emotions rather than logic. You can say what you want about me, but you guys are the ones creating conspiracy theories. I am just following the basic laws of nature... the simpliest explanation tends to the correct one.

I have agreed with you all along that SE's mistake was releasing a statement so soon after releasing 2.1 update. That doesn't make them liars. If it was true when they said it, then it is not a lie.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flo95:
Any news about the fps cap with 2.3.3?

I hope it'll be removed...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
You ignored my other post, so 16 million colors wasn't a lie?

where are the conspiracies? I'm willing to question and not simply eat up anything I'm told....

It showed the moment you said you believed the froyo excuse.

You are the one not using logic... In fact you seem to be willing to ignore basic info/evidence so as to perpetuate what you already believe..

Anyhow this argument will go nowhere, so I'm done.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nagarebozhi:
+1

Btw is there anyone know if we will get 16m color etc in the update?

Xperia​

Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted​
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markus821:
Finally, some good news ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unknown13x:
apart from the argument that's going on [roll eyes]

For the details of the scope of this update, it's not yet finalized. Only the main office knows what is being changed/enhanced. None of the individual markets has been informed what components on the X10 will be changed/enhanced. So if you guys would wait just a bit longer, they'll release the details near June.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nagarebozhi:
thanks for answer. Just wait then and pray for some goodies :D

Xperia​

Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted​
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
You said believe SE is trying to "upset" us purposely. That my friends is a conspiracy theory.

16 mil colors: I said they have delivered what they promised outside of minor implementations.

Froyo: We don't know for sure how a fully functional froyo with all the SE bloatware would run(including camera, video streaming, tethering, etc.) because we don't have one here. But officially SE never even said that. You are referring to a fb post from some rep from SE UK.

You are also the one making things up to fuel your animosity for SE. They have made good on their mistakes, and your hanging on to calling them liars for that. Show me one bit of evidence that they are intentionally screwing with us. Show me one employee who has surfaced saying SE was purposely working against us.

I agree. Let's agree to disagree.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
No, you read what I wrote strictly on face value and neglected the inate sarcasm that was included.

I was just saying I don't know why they would make those statements if they had planned on the update when they made them (which many purport)...

Agreeing to disagree is a good idea, aside from this lately I have agreed with much you've said and I feel we can at least discuss things civilly at this point lol
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mister J:
he said "lol"

congrats you two are no longer arguing
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Purposely upset us is the point I have been in disagreement with. Why they waited to tell us? I don't know for sure, but it probably has to do with testing and a need to know basis. They didn't know on day one if it was going to work. Again, they error on the side of caution. What if they told us in January that they were working on 2.3 for the X10, and then had to retract their statement? Imagine the uproar then. Imagine the uproar now 3 months later if they hadn't released it yet and told us we still have to wait until q3-q4.

It's like the whole bypass thing. That is a perfect example of releasing info before it is ready for the masses. Everyone is celebrating success of the *****loader, when it is not even close. We both have had to calm people down because it is still only theoretical. Do you see my point?

The real question is are you going to call the devs here liars if the bypass doesn't work? :-)

Now I am really done. Feel free to get the last word. I will try my hardest to leave it as I just did. Peace!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
What about this analogy,

I buy a Mercedes, knowing the new 2.3ltr engine fits in it very nice and gives it the power I bought the car for. I also bought some new interior for it.

I wake up Christmas day and as I walk out to my car to start the work, Mr Benz jumps out of the bush with his own set of keys and locks my car up. Telling me the car can't handle the new coloured interior or the worked engine.

I don't believe him but accept what he says, then I ask him if I can get a hold of the factory made Mercedes 2.3ltr engine to keep me happy, he laughs and walks off telling me im stuck with the engine I have.

I then sell my Mercedes for a lot less then I bought it for, get home and Mr Benz jumps back out of the bush with a factory made 2.3ltr engine. (and some new interior)

Are you telling me stomping my feet and saying he lied might offend him?

I know one thing, if you were there with Mr Benz telling me to stop complaining like a little b**** (one of your earlier posts)

and I should be happy that they had the engine all along in the shed, you would want to have grip on your shoes

*don't get me wrong, the upgrade is good. I just don't understand why you think it's your job to attack everyone that doesnt agree with how sony has backflipped on just about every decision they've made.

Like someone said earlier, are they flipping coins? for example, yesterday 16mil colours wasn't possible, wonder what the coin says tomorrow
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MJ_QaT:
What!!!!!!

This is the most irrelevant analogy I ever heard of...

You bought your Mercedes knowing from Mr. Benz that he will only provide you with 2.1L engine, Mr. Benz didn't force you to buy it, and to sell it either. Later, Mr. Benz took the suggestion box and decided to read a couple of comments, instead of providing 2.2L engine that everybody wants, he went with 2.3L..... yet you are not satisfied!!, I really think that nothing will satisfy you :)

No offence intended
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LJE:
Not irrelevant at all

my neighbour works on mercedes, I didn't want the stock engine.

And my old Mercedes was all about being able to do your own work to them ;)

*I was never angry because I couldn't put my own 2.3ltr into it.

I was angry because I sold it after being told the 2.3ltr couldn't fit in it.

(just for the record, I kept mine, it's my missus that sold hers. Thats why i have a smile on my face)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Windst:
so very true. it's like mercedes will still make cars but not support one thats still fairly new in the current year, not even a recall. lets say its like a 2 year contract=leasing the car. or maybe not mercedes, maybe nissan tuners would be a better way to put it. Android(Linux based) are like the silvia's of the phone world kinda
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agentJBM:
Your analogy is part of the misinformation being spread. SE never said it couldn't run 2.2 or 2.3. They said they had no plans on updating. Just like you could have taken your Benz to another mechanic, your lady could have taken her X10 to xda for the update. The other problem with your analogy is that SE didn't know what they didn't know. Dualtouch could not be implemented on 1.6, so that was not a lie then either. And name one car company that has ever replaced the motor for a new model for free. If you say recall, then that is exactly what SE did with security issues and Gingerbread.

I am not jumping all over anyone. You sir are the one jumping all over SE and anyone who supports them.

By your thinking, the devs on xda are liars too. Not long ago they said they couldn't get the camera to work on custom ROMs without cracking the bootloader. Well they found another way. That makes them liars right?

I'll ask you the same question, if the bootloader bypass doesn't pan out, will you be calling the devs here liars too?

Btw, if having the latest OS, 16 mil colors, and multitouch was such a priority for her, why did she buy the X10? Didn't you read the box or do any research? Why blame SE for your bad decision?????
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MJ_QaT:
Man I wish they bring back the Silvia :D

However, Mercedes/Nissan did not stop their services for the car, they only said they will not upgrade the engines any more, but due to many complaints they changed their actions