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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] starplaya93:
my concern isn't that we won't be able to put honeycomb on our phones, didn't realize I even implied that... I'm just worried about this reoccurring in the future and possibly affecting future phone updates... I don't want a tablet os on my phone neither, but I also don't want a closed source phone (if I did i'd go to the iphone in a heart beat.)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matt2053:
You didn't imply it. It's in the article. Google cited it as one of the reasons for the delay.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] starplaya93:
lol. Where is the justification for anything you're saying? Did you actually read my post or just skim through the title?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Android 17:
The part about not being able to port Honeycomb to phones doesn't really bother me as it's not designed for phones and may not run properly.

However, the real slight in this is Honeycomb tablet owners. If I owned a Xoom, a supposed open Google experience device, I would be enraged at not being able to utilize custom roms by other developers.

This essentially makes the fact that Motorola and Google opted to not include a bootloader in the Xoom worthless.

Similarly, with any Honeycomb tablets, including the upcoming LG and Samsung varieties, you'll essentially be running closed-off systems with no chance of custom roms.

I wasn't planning on buying a Honeycomb tablet anytime soon, but this pretty much seals the deal.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DoctorComrade:
+1000000000

Sent from my Evo powered by moar gees.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tejasrichard:
The implication is that, if the open aspect is taken out of android, and all we have left to compare the three (wp7, ios, and android), for some, android would no longer make the cut. And, in some ways, I tend to agree: most of what I love about my phone depends on having root access and source code.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] starplaya93:
yes, i'm aware of that...

I just think everybody is missing the point of Androidcentral and Engadget posting this article, as well as the purpose of this thread...

Here is my concern in bold for you guys who don't understand...

WHAT DOES THIS FORESHADOW FOR GOOGLE AND ANDROID AS AN OS? WE NEVER IN OUR WILDEST DREAMS THOUGHT THEY WOULD LOCK THE SOURCE CODE FOR ANYTHING WITH ANDROID OS. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY CAPABLE/WILLING TO DO?

That is my concern folks.... If you're viewing this thread or any android development forum then more than likely its because android is an open source project.

I'm sure this will still go over the trolls heads, but so be it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AyyRayy:
3.0 is not closed!!! Google just doesn't want outside developers playing with their source code that they haven't had time to optimize for smart phones.

Basically Google is baking ice cream 2.4 and wants us to get that first. Why would they release 3.0 which is "supposedly " just for tablets when they have put time and money into 2.4 specifically for smartphones. They have phones planned to run on stock off of that. If Google releases 3.0 why would people want to buy "downgraded " software on a flagship phone. Its all just business.

AOSP

Android open source project

Will never ever be closed this is how android became what it is now and how it will dominate the future. :)

Powered by Steve Jobs' Tears and Jealousy
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] starplaya93:
I hope what you are saying is correct... at least for our sake
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scooter185:
I really doubt they'll never release it, but it will probably be released with either ice creams launch or the release of ice creams source, since ic is supposed to be the phone version of hc. That way tab devs have what they need and phone devs have what they need and there shouldn't be any crossing over. Or ic will just merge the lines into one so it will work on both phones and tabs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azfxstb:
Spoken like someone who hasn't yet seen the use of Tablets. I used to think the same way, now netbook look like a waste and my laptop isn't good for anything unless I need to console into my switches and routers
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matt2053:
I have an iPad 2. I gave it to my wife. I don't like it or want another tablet. In every scenario I'd rather use a phone or a laptop. A tablet is the worst of both worlds.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] parousia15:
My only concern with this is that it sets a precedent.

Thomas Jefferson said that a deviation from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second and a third etc.

Andy has always lauded the openness of Android, so hopefully, a couple years from now, things will remain as they have.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. slaughter:
While 2.4 is going to have the "best" features from both honeycomb and gingerbread and be able to be used across all platforms I still question this action by google. Given Im not as excited about gingerbread here since its mostly under the hood fixes, IceCream is supposed to be an OS thathas been basically stripped down to the bare and then they have taken the best of both and put them into one making it compatible across all platforms.

There was an interview with the google developer on engadget from CES where he discussed this a lot if you want to search for it and listen. The video really got me excited about 2.4 and the things that will include and direction they are going with the OS.

I feel bad for the tablet owners and this action by google would alone cause me to not bother buying one as well until it is released. I dont get the argument that thy dont want people putting it on devices its not ment for at all. I'm pretty sure device manufacturers wouldn't put it on phones to begin with, and they wouldn't put it on devices it isn't ment for as that would make them look bad. Now the dev community doing it is another story in itself. Why does google care if we here on xda bake honeycomb on a phone to mess around with it? That makes no sense, and wouldn't make google look bad in anyway either.

Just lost by these actions right now. Doesn't the GPL require them to release the code anyway or am I mistaken by that?

And those of you saying the article is taken out of context. How do you know so? Bloomberg is equal to the WSJ if not higher and one of the most respected news sources so you can take what they say to the bank 95% of the time. They dont post rumors like blogs that are 50% true.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matt2053:
Openness is a marketing gimmick, not a principle. Scathing:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/...thering-as-google-withhold-honeycomb-code.ars
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tErbo b00st:
UH...are you not aware of the many tablets running around with Android 2.X? Google told manufactures that they did not want 2.X on tablets as it is not made for it...but manufacturers did it anyways. I know several people who have a bad taste in their mouth of google tablets because of this simple fact. The average consumer doesn't care AND DOESN'T KNOW, that 2.X isn't designed for tablets. They just buy a tablet expecting it to work, and when it doesn't, they throw the blame on google instead of the manufacturer.

While this does suck, and makes me question google's motives and reasoning (which has been happening a lot lately :( )...I completely understand where they are coming from with this.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. slaughter:
well thats retarted and sucks for everyone. One would think manufacturers would listen to the software OS makers on this as it makes them look bad too. But i guess people wont think the tablet "X" is bad theyll think android tablet is bad in those instances. least regular folk maybe...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tipharet:
Actually its not. Have you spent any significant time with the ipad 1 or 2? If so you would most likely realize that is an excellent device, unless you are a person to hate on Apple because its the cool thing to do.

Tablets wont go anywhere and will only become better replacing notebooks and netbooks a like.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] starplaya93:
Google has absolutely no reason to care about the xda community since we make up less than 1% of the android community, we really cant effect much...

Imo they also shouldnt worry about manufaturers putting android on uncompatible tablets because those companies are rarely reputable and the sales of the tablets or pathetic... And in the real world thos tablet sales wont hurt google or android os the least bit.

I honestly dont see googles justification on this one....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matt2053:
I own an iPad 2.

Its kinda cool. But I just don't get the point. I'd always either rather use a phone, or rather use a laptop, depending on what I'm doing.

After having it, I'm no longer interested in getting an Android tablet.

Its just my opinion, so why would you argue with me about it?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billydroid:
Im running darkys port w/voodoo. When i try to disable voodoo through red clockwork, linda says " converting data/system partion" then the phone just boots up. It does not actually convert anything, as ive check using "mount" in term.

Any help would be great
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] offdutyninja808:
Try to flash another kernel with voodoo and try to disable it again. If you still have no luck, just odin back to stock.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
May not help, but you could try Voodoo Toggle, it is an app in the market.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billydroid:
I did just flash another Voodoo compatible rom and kernel, won't disable. If I odin to get rid of it, I would have to use Eugene's " FROYO that does not brick". Which is a pain in the @ss. The Voodoo toggle no worky. Thanks for the ideas though.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billydroid:
I remember Eugene saying something about this. Some sort of corruption going from stock to Voodoo or vice versa. I can't find it though.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PDP///M:
are you trying to disable through cwm or manually adding the voodoo_disable file?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
^ Read the OP.

You don't have to use eugenes that doesn't brick... you can, but not sure why you think you are limited to just it? ODIN to stock, root, flash... or use the ALT METHOD in the noob guide.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billydroid:
The last time I had a Voodoo issue was w/ jac's kernel from like august. I tried straight jfd odin and no go I got can't mount dev/block error, But I'll try. I guess I should check repartion
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
Yes, you should.

So you've had issues with voodoo twice now? That's odd.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billydroid:
Yeah, the first time was when Voodoo first came out and I forgot to disable before flashing. This current issue, of it refusing to disable, is weird.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davemw2:
Just use basic jfd stock, check repartition, and make sure its an updated version of odin. Has always worked for me.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MadJoe:
Try using Galaxy Tuner app and running all 3 Bad Block Checks to see if that's part of the problem, cuz even going back to stock via Odin won't fix bad blocks. Good luck!

Sent from my rough sketch of a Vibrant on a brick I like to pretend is running Trigger 2.7.2 on OverStock 1.5...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billydroid:
Times like this in love xda. Thank you everyone for their suggestions. I finally just flashed from th overstock kernel to tiger blood and it successful disable by manually adding the "disable-lagfix". Apparently the problem is arising from disabling through cwm, atleast for me. Thanks again, and the galxay tuner is really nice.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Arcano30:
I just got my new inspire 4g and was thinking to flash it with Cyanogenmod but I like the sence UI I found that coredroid V 4.6 includes the sence UI and runs on 2.3.3 which is pretty good, but is it worth?
[HTC Inspire 4G] mudknot2005:
try them both see which one you like just make a nandroid back up.

Its like asking which is better chocolate or vanilla..
[HTC Inspire 4G] leemoss84:
ive tried both and liked both. but i stuck with the coredroid rom myself. its the best ive tried and i also used the core roms on my hd2.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Arcano30:
I decided for CoreDroid V4.7 released today, and works pretty nice I'll stick to it :D
[HTC Inspire 4G] dortok:
Does the dual microphone work with it? I'm not sure how you'd check though lol

And how is the sound?
[HTC Inspire 4G] xxyxxyxyx1:
Does anyone know which has better battery life?
[HTC Inspire 4G] XAviierG:
CoreDroid 5 FTW!
[HTC Inspire 4G] ButtonBoy:
I was reluctant to give up Sense- it's a great shell. But I have made the switch and I am glad I did.

Sent from my CM7 Inspire 4G with that special XDA app.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Danny80y:
I love CM7..... I have tried a bunch of the 2.2 roms and even with juice defender i can't get any better battery life.
[HTC Inspire 4G] TheBassman369:
Personally I would go with CM7, but I hate Sense and the inevitable lag that always comes with Sense ROM's. CoreDroid has to be the best Sense ROM I've tried, though.

MIUI Inspire 4G
[HTC Inspire 4G] SmittyRN:
Dilligaf has a really smooth ROM with Sense, too. I'd be back on it if I weren't digging MIUI so much.
[HTC Inspire 4G] wrenhal:
Non-Sense Roms and Sync?

Do you lose the ability to sync to your PC with HTC Sync if you are using a ROM without the Sense UI?
[HTC Inspire 4G] johnbibbs:
In my experience if you cover the mic on the back you will sound muffled to callers on the other end of a phone call. That could be one way to test.

Sent from someplace using something to send it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Mustang302LX:
I started out with CM7 and haven't left it yet. I just love the vanilla Android experience over Sense. Don't get me wrong I like Sense but I think Android is better off without skins on top of it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] javanutsy:
I liked both, but sticking with CM7 for now... It just comes down to personal preference as they are both good.
[HTC Inspire 4G] wastegate13:
+1

I think that Sense is the best of the skins out there comparing it to motoblur and touchwiz especially but it will always be the least of all evils instead of actually adding something to my user experience with Android.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Mustang302LX:
Couldn't have said it better myself!
[HTC Inspire 4G] xxyxxyxyx1:
I decided to go with CM7, and am quite happy. I was very happy to get rid of Sense, especially the twitter app.

The running battery life is definitely worse than stock, but not too bad. I'm using SetCPU to limit the clock to 375 whenever the display is turned off, and that has helped my standby/sleeping battery life noticeably.
[HTC Inspire 4G] sugardaddy1979:
How did you get the clock and battery percent to show like that?
[HTC Inspire 4G] SNadler:
Best of all I have tried so far! By far!:)

See Signature....
[HTC Inspire 4G] lrs421:
Nevermind, Inspire works differently...

Sent from Desire HD or Inspire 4G or whatever this thing is called via premium XDA app.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ButtonBoy:
The clock is a free widget called "minimalistic text". The battery indicator is a part of CM7. Click menu->settings->CyanogenMod settings->interface->Status bar tweaks

Sent from my CM7 Inspire 4G with that special XDA app.
[HTC Inspire 4G] XAviierG:
When I press menu it has lock wallpaper but it don't work after I installed the gapps. You know how to fix that?

HTC Inspire not Desire
[HTC Inspire 4G] Krisbo:
I've tried every ROM on this forum and the one I tend to be satisfied with the longest before flashing another ROM is RCMixHD 5.9 (gingerbread Sense). For some reason, I keep using MIUI for about half a day every week. I really want to like it but for some reason I just can't be content using it for extended periods. I love both Sense and non-sense ROMs. Loved my Dell Streak when I had it.

I'm also a fan of SPB and have been using it on and off for the last few days. I my give CyanogenMod a crack with SPB and see how I like it :).
[HTC Inspire 4G] BillTheCat:
+1. Been using RCMix since jailbreaking my Inspire. Liked enough I donated, also, so that we can encourage the team to keep working on it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] XAviierG:
Can someone post the HTC camera?

HTC Inspire not Desire
[HTC Inspire 4G] Krisbo:
It has just occurred to me that I have never donated to a dev. You've inspired me to donate to the dev of RCMixHD (no pun intended).
[HTC Inspire 4G] netnerd:
give MIUI rom a try!

battery % build-in ! no need to look around for a compatible battery % !
[HTC Inspire 4G] magnumforce2006:
I was using MIUI for awhile, and its definitely the prettiest ROM I've used... There were just little instabilities that kept me from fully enjoying it.

Right now I'm using the a CM7 nightly, and I've encountered little to no bugs. It doesn't have as nice of a look as MIUI, but it has the same (or better) customization that I loved in that ROM.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] supetawesomedude:
Hey guys I've been trying to customize the screen transitions and animations on my Aria. I have downloaded this app and it sounds promising but as soon as I try installing one of the options, it says it has failed but still asks me to reboot. I really want to change my screen transitions and I don't know how other than this app. BTW I am running Liberated Aria 2.2. 004b kernel.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] supetawesomedude:
You can find this app by staring Anim Mod in Market. Sorry I can't post links yet xD
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] drowningchild:
its trying to write to /system files but the liberty is not able to write to there

i have a kernel(FOR CM7) that enables a pseudo s-off(writing to /system) and it might be able to work with my kernel and the aufs module

see both threads for more info :)
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] supetawesomedude:
Thanks for the advice but I really like HTC sense, so if I wanted these transition effects, would I have to go back to CM7?
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] jacobas92:
I couldn't get metamorph OR anim mod to work with the r/w overlay so...

Either i'm doing somthing wrong or you must have s-off for it to work.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] supetawesomedude:
Yeah its probably required that you have S-off. Darn, I really wanted those cool transitions. Does any one else know another method?
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] jacobas92:
Might be possible to flash through recovery
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] drowningchild:
metamorph worked for me

are you using my kernel?

& have ext3(not 4) partition?
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] jacobas92:
Yep.

EDIT. Nevermind. Metamorph DOES work.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] drowningchild:
i think anim mod isnt setting the system to r/w
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] barisahmet:
Flashing through clockworkmod DOES work to change transition animations. There was an online kitchen for that, which I can't remember now.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] supetawesomedude:
Could you give me any instructions on this?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] omegasun18:
FAQ

How do i turn off AM or PM (or the clock entirely)?

Go to settings

select date and time

There should be 2 new options one for am/pm and one for clock.

When i hit my home key it doesnt give me the option to use launcherPro but it shows up as installed what gives?

Sometimes sense doesnt like to give up with out a fight.

Go to settings

select applications

Find sense in your application list and the hit the clear default button.

When you hit home again it should now give you the option of sense or launcherPro

How do i get to the Vanilla lockscreen?

- Manual Way -

Using root explorer or ES file explorer navigate to system/app

Find HtcLockscreen.apk

delete it move it to sd card or rename it to HtcLockscreen.bac

reboot.

-The Automated Way-

Download the lockscreen removal zip from the first post and flash it. This zip also removes the world clock since vanilla lockscreen does not play nice with it.

Will this work with my rom?

This theme should work on any rom based off of the 3.70 sprint OTA (almost all sense 1 roms) except for those using a different version of Rosie (ie FRESH). I plan to release a version to support FRESH in the near future. The following roms have successfully been tested and verified as working. Just because the rom isn't on the list does not mean it does not work it just means i haven't tested it myself or seen enough feedback saying it is working. If you use it on a rom not listed here please let us know and i will add it to the list.

Elite Series

Mikfroyo - CAN NOT use vanilla lock See known issues.

Myn twopointtwo

Evio

Virus Airborne

Ava-Froyo Z3

Fresh (with its version)

Known Issues:

When searching in the market the area where previous searches are displayed is black with black text.

You can not use a vanilla lockscreen with MikFroyo currently. This is because MikFroyo has the JsChiSurf lockscreen mod built in and for now this theme does not support it. This will be fixed with the next version which will support the lockscreen mod.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] omegasun18:
"Honey do list" (in no particular order)

Address black background black text issues in the few places they exist

Update to the new version of the notification power widget (4g reboot fix)

Update notification power widet icons for sound to make vibrate, sound on and sound off a little more clear

Add Js' lockscreen mod

AOSP Version

Sense 2.0 version

Work on the notification pull down to add a little more contrast

Look into Gmail showing archiv with the e on another line

change the GPS on icon for those restoring it so it isnt the same as the acquiring symbol

clear rosie dock

clear notification bar

Simi-Transparent Notification bar

Clear Lockscreen

Themed 4x5 widgets to go with 4x5 workspace

Additional Themed Apps
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Arsenalfan:
This looks awesome. Is it compatible with the "Z" port ROMs such as Myns or Miki's Z roms?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] rushco:
Will try it out on EVIO 1.8 tomorrow.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] omegasun18:
i have not tested it on the sense 2.0 roms i will let you know if not i will likely port it over in the near future.

I dont have high hopes that it will work since it encompasses MANY tweaks to jars and xmls
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Konikub:
This THEME is SICK!!!! The first to be the most authentic :):) Thanks for all the help with III........Honeycomb Dreams will look great on ANY ROM out there folks!!!!!!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] storm68:
Very cool! How do I implement the vanilla lock screen on sense?

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] omegasun18:
Use es file explorer or root explorer navigate to system/app and rename htclockscreen.apk to htclockscreen.bak.

Once done reboot and you will be on vanilla lock. If you decide to go back to sense lock just rename it back to .apk and reboot again.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] CheesyNutz:
love it nice work !
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] storm68:
Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] omegasun18:
Thanks I have been working on it for about a month straight.tried to dig as much as I could out of xoom system dump but had a LOT left to fix and make after that.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] storm68:
Everything looks amazing, if you decide to update the one thing I would like to see updated is the notification pull down to be transparent.... Other then that great job! Kudos!

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] omegasun18:
As in the whole bar or just the background of the menu?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] heylailaa:
Would this work with Virusrom?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] CheesyNutz:
flashed perfect would love to see a Plume twitter icon to match and a gmail as well other than that i can't really think of anything else atm
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] CheesyNutz:
Heads Up got a bootloop when attempting to change to vanilla lockscreen. Renamed HTClockscreen. all to.bak rebooted and bootlooped

Miks 4.5 rom

from my phone duh
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] kidram:
Does this work with mikfroyo z?

-{KiD}-
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] storm68:
The background.... :)

Sent from my PC36100