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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MagnusRagnarok:
hmmm....update what?

agreed. either way, if you cant build a rom from source then wth are you updating? so why bother with a release if its the same rom with a few edits and apps?. at least if you have source you can compile it yourself and you can update repo EVERYDAY,EVERY minute,EVERY 2 seconds IF YOU WISH, and you will have a TRUE UPDATE. sense is pointless and obsolete. merely htc ios(much better than ios however). sense is just the proprietary eyecandy used to sell htc devices and each major brand has their own crappy bastardization of android...unfortunately they are all garbage...i will say that sense is however the lesser of those many evils.

@OP

IF there have not been any new sense updates what do you expect from those devs? to waste thier time adding apps for you or adding a theme maybe? some script tweaks?...THIS HAS ALL BEEN DONE LONG AGO...im just like you. and if i want to implement some of their past work in a new project i can go find it and toss something together. those greats gave us all the tools we will need...along with many others like avalaunch,jschaisurf,regawmod,godson,gomorrah, and many other great modders,rom chefs,themers, and scripters that you did not/forgot to inquire about.

those guys are all old school vets and have been around a while and have real lives just like we all do. to maintain a rom is alot more than it is to just flash a few when you get bored. and ppls lame comments and insolence can be enough alone to prevent you from sharing something. the devs here work for FREE...keep that in mind when posting next and they will maybe feel a little more appreciated aka NOT LEAVE.

ps. EVO IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL EVERYONE! on both sense and aosp...evo is DONE. i love mine but have been waiting for new device for the past 4 months.everyone grab your evo 3d soon as possible if you care about dev cus i will assure you there will be 0 devs in evo section once they all have evo 3d. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE...call it a hunch.

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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirkyd3rk:
Yes that is what I meant, thankx I should have been a little more clear.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blizzard1017:
I don't see what's wrong with the OP's question besides it originally being in the wrong section. Not all people on XDA follow as closely as I might or you might.

I have been with Sprint and my Evo for about a week or so now and I am sure I missed out on the real party days but I just looked in the Dev section and it seems there are still a respectable amount of roms and updates coming out. Most of the 1st and 2nd pages have 3-?-11 updates. I just updated my kernel to a new one and i have had the phone a WEEK.

It's an older phone for sure and it's natural in the tech market for development/hacks/ect... to go the way of the latest and greatest. Be happy that HTC swung for the fences with the Evo and it has lasted this long.

I'm still new here but I agree with Virus, if there isn't anything new to update then the devs kinda just sit around and do their own lives and tinkering. If you want something new go re-theme you Rom. If you are tired of the themes currently build your own. If you don't know how learn. Heck, my Vibrant I built up my own mini theme and customizations simply by taking a made theme and changing some png's around. Really amateur level stuff.

If and when official 2.3 rolls out then we'll see some life but unfortunately not a total revitalization due to Evo being OLD technology.

The Vibrant section just went through this a few months ago. People were posting "Vibrant dead" threads daily, then 2.2 OTA released, THEN 2.2 source released and all of the sudden it was booming again. We were able to not only update to more solid builds but the devs cracked the code to port over the i9000 Roms as well which had FAR more development. The Dev section almost tripled.

Now this is just opinion but it seems the Sense roms out now are pretty solid, not much to do besides widgets and themes but that's personal taste not demand of the masses. Can't do much with Warm Z until you have the proper code to get 4g. Cyanogenmod (with all due respect to the other Devs and the work that I am not capable of doing) has cornered AOSP. 2.3.3, pretty solid, extremely functional but they are also not one man armies like a lot of Evo specific developers.

I guess a better question would be: "What are you looking for new?"

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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ljohnson1981:
Just wanted to thank everyone for all the feedback and I saw some mention of Cyanogen and I do like AOSP ROMs but one issue, lithid on Cyanogen's Team is rude and obnoxious so for that reason alone I will not use nor support Cyanogen anymore which is sad because I used to like and still do like Cyanogen ROMs. All good things must come to an end and I believe that we wont see much if any updates pushed to the evo, (which I didnt even think about when I originally posted) so no more work for the devs. mentioned in the title. But hey we got the EVO 3D coming and I am definitely going to get me one and cant wait to see what comes next from these awesome devs.. Thanks XDA and Developers for feeding my addiction, it keeps me out of trouble.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Badger58:
I will be happy to explain the entire opus of how I got here if someone thinks it's relevant, but the short story is, I had 2.1, I upgraded to 2.2, successfully rooted, installed clockwork mod, soft-bricked my phone by using adb to install the signed packages fixes for the 3e recovery menu, and restored my phone to base 2.1 by using odin 3 one-click downloader.

So now, back on (theoretically) 2.1, I follow the instructions for one-click downloader and two things happen (or don't happen, as the case may be). Yes, USB debugging is enabled.

-One-click doesn't boot my phone.

-When I manually boot it into recovery mode (2e) and select reinstall packages, it brings up the clockwork recovery menu.

I have NOT re-install clockwork mod after odin-restoring my phone. While I'm newish to this phone and rooting, I am NOT a tech noob, and I've reviewed the forums for the answer. Appreciate any help.

Thanks
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bradleyG:
Are you sure you're holding both volume buttons while plugging the USB in? And you have ODIN open before doing so? And also I think your clockwork recovery is just a file named update.zip on your internal SD card. Check if its there, if you don't want it anymore delete it and when you select reinstall packages you won't boot into clockwork.

I wasn't sure what you were asking but I think that suits it.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Badger58:
As usual, I beat my head against a wall for days, post a message for help, then solve my own problem within 5 minutes.

For reasons I don't understand, the clockwork update.zip was stuck on the sdcard, and the one-click root was not overwriting or telling me it was failing to overwrite it. So everytime i was trying to install root, I was just re-installing clockwork.

So now, I guess it's back to downloading clockwork mod. Sorry for the interruption.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Badger58:
Close. :) I was doing the download and the odin reset properly. I guess I was assuming it would clear the update.zip off my sdcard. Bad assumption. I finally decided to check the contents of each and realized what happened.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pirateghost:
use SUPERONECLICK to root instead
[Droid X General] madisonjar:
okay I bought a droid x off of a forum member and it is running a rubix blurry 1.8, the system version is 2.3.340...is there an easy way to return to a stock rooted phone? or should I just stick with this rom....sorry I am new to the x and dont want to jack up my phone...thanks
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
Personally I'd update to the latest version of rubix but if you really want to go to stock just Google madderstock.zip and flash that file in recovery
[Droid X General] madisonjar:
if I upgrade to the latest rubix, would I have to wipe data and cache, if I didnt that would be a positive to staying with rubix...thanks for your help.
[Droid X General] infazzdar:
In my opinion, the easiest thing to do would be to SBF back to stock 2.2.1 then root with Z4Root, for a complete stock rooted experience.

Beamed from my DroidX
[Droid X General] owenbeals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jrXqqiepI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Link to files for sbf in description. Sbf would be the best way to get to a clean, out of the box stock. Its super easy.
[Droid X General] z06mike:
Just do what Jmoney said, that is the easiest way, by far!
[Droid X General] Jmoney47:
To be honest I don't know that much about rubix but generally speaking you would not have to wipe data and cache. Make sure you check first though
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
A good read about a new battery technology:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/...echalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=032411
[EVO 4G General] EndlessDissent:
Good read, definitely. If only the turnaround for technology like this to be incorporated into consumer products was months instead of years... We can only hope.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Seen so many new battery techs... but i am still waiting to see any of them out in use...
[EVO 4G General] rank78:
exactly. been hearing for years about battery tech claiming to do XYZ and all i ever see is incremental improvements in size or charge, nothing substantial as the claims.
[EVO 4G General] shagav:
Really cool find. Cant wait till they start putting it to use. Also the fact of 3D storage and Memory in standard consumer products :) Cant wait for the day
[EVO 4G General] Chuki82:
Would be cool to charge our phone to full in less then 5mins lol
[General Topics] williamsean:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73423/htc-beveiligt-bootloader-nieuwe-android-toestellen.html

Why???

You have just been added next to Sony on my "Don't buy"-list.

Which phone will be the next HD2? LG?

***Update***:

Sony-Ericsson makes a tool to load custom roms onto their devices (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73521/so...t-custom-roms-op-android-phones-mogelijk.html)

This is good news!
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
How much more secured is this than the traditional S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I don't really understand to what extent this new security changes over the old.

Also, it's already cracked on the Thunderbolt so likey can be repeated on the Incredible S. If it's crackable, isn't that all that matters?
[General Topics] quicksite:
This was an interesting argument, to me: NOT that the phones aren't still crackable, but rather that HTC is giving into intimidation by Verizon.. and by doing so, it's signaling that they will bow down to carriers, yet even moreso, over end users who BUY THEIR PHONES and are their actual customers.

You may not agree, but the "rebel" in me likes that argument at least....

When you combine this with HTC America's not honoring warranties, they are not making the best moves given their fractional market share and the massive competition getting stronger and stronger from Motorola and Samsung every day ---- though I love HTC's phones and have never cheated on them once!

But keep in mind HTC *owned* the entire turf of touchscreen devices during the mighty reign of Windows Mobile... Now? Today? They are practically an asterisk. And Motorola? They were gonners. People thought there were out of the game having fallen so far behind after nothing new since the RAZR. Then the new CEO came in, targeted Android as his platform for choice, they targeted the DROID as their re-entry vehicle, and they slammed into the touchscreen market and overtook HTC like a steamroller.

When you are playing on THAT kind of playing field, you're going to go messing with your most loyal customer base -- and kiss ass with a carrier? I think HTC is blundering all over the place -- all the while they continue to make fantastic phones. But fact remains, they cannot afford to even SIGHTLY ANNOY a loyal customer these days. Once someone goes Samsung or Motorola, I don't see a big love affair where they're going to comer back to HTC. So, they better watch it, from where I sit. It's not just as simple a matter as "but we can crack anything". That's missing the point entirely.
[General Topics] zuben el genubi:
Is HTC dual mode? Are they just doing it in the US or all over. That's why I've never liked Verizon. Started years ago over ringtones and BitPim.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
What gives that person the impression that Verizon had anything to do with it? They're using the same security in the Incredible S, which from the specs on HTC's website, is a GSM phone so if this additional layer of security were a specific demand from VZW, there'd be no reason to add it to the Incredible S.

I doubt increasing security will hurt HTC sales at all. I'm thinking the majority of HTC phone users do NOT root their phones or hack them. Sure, XDA members do, but the average Joe? I don't think so. The percentage of people who buy HTC just because it's hackable is probably a pretty miniscule amount compared to the big picture.

I could be wrong, but I think the more likely answer for increasing security is to reduce warranty claims and support calls from would-be phone hackers accidentally bricking them.
[General Topics] blushrts:
I'm with this. Go to any Android phone dev section and you see tons of people returning phones for replacement because they goof up flashing it.
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
I didn't realize this was posted already, I had just posted this in another section, I had said a week ago that it might be the end of an era with HTC locking down their phones, this sucks.

Sent from my Incredible with the XDA Premium App.
[General Topics] Dirk:
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is just pressure from the carriers rather than HTC itself.

Regardless, i am disappoint!
[General Topics] corenojoe:
I hope they dont do this, we need customization!:mad:
[General Topics] corenojoe:
it does suck, theyll be another motorola now, except sense still owns blur lol
[General Topics] watt9493:
No no no no no. :'( this sucks. I love htc and the OPENNESS of android. Why I DIDN'T go with Motorola for an android device. :(
[General Topics] corenojoe:
we need to apeal to htc to please not do this!!
[General Topics] Step666:
Exactly.

Even if HTC were to start locking the bootloader at the behest of one particular network (and frankly, I find the notion that any one network would have enough clout to try and impose such measures questionable, to say the least), there'd be no reason for HTC to do this to all their handsets.

This is a decision HTC have made themselves.

Also true - XDA may be big but it doesn't compare to the number of phones being sold.

Heck, there are more than 3 times as many Galaxy S handsets have been sold as XDA-devs' entire membership and that's just one of a miscellany of handsets this place caters for.
[General Topics] corenojoe:
man i hope somebody talks some sense into them
[General Topics] corenojoe:
This is bonkers what are they doing this for?
[General Topics] williamsean:
Well I don't know for sure, but when you hook up you phone to your computer and flash it, your computer and phone will communicate with each other, and the computer will tell the phone what the new rom will be. Now, the people here at xda only have to figure out how to tell the phone what the new rom is.

But with this new security, not only do will we have to figure out how to tell it, we also have to answer the phones question to the computer, what the password is to flash it. This password is only known to HTC.
[General Topics] XxElitexX:
I was thinking the same thing. The new devices with be unlocked and made available to the people who'll use them.
[General Topics] aaa:
If HTC locked the phones like Motorola does, then there will be no further HTC gadgets for me.

I didn't buy Motorola because of the same reason.
[General Topics] oka1:
Every time they make a "secure lock" it takes all of a week to open and rewrite

IF they did make it uncrackable, according to the Supreme court decision it would violate ownership rights.

This is phase and as such, will pass
[General Topics] Step666:
I think you need to re-read that.

The Supreme Court said it wasn't illegal to hack/tweak/modify software such as rooting/jail-breaking but that doesn't magically give you a right to do so.

If end-users have the right to modify their handsets, how do Motorola get away with their encrypted bootloader?
[General Topics] Yellowfrizbee:
Well, looks like im sticking with Sammy from here on. Its simple; no romming/customization, no sale from me. Is what it is. Im not going to complain, just going to move on.

Locking down devices is really against what android is about. A lot of the reason why we buy android is for the open-ness. Shame!
[General Topics] rsb007:
I was thinking to buy a dual-core processor HTC phone at the end of the year, but now I really dont know what to do :S

Maybe I'll keep my Milestone 2
[General Topics] ddgarcia05:
Several developers in the thunderbolt forum were arguing that this had already been cracked without much difficulty because an older dump of the thunderbolt that was leaked which was used to obtain root and s-off. Future devices might be harder to crack.
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
I have faith that modding will still continue successfully on HTC phones.
[General Topics] Step666:
Just like it does on Motorolas?
[General Topics] ribi:
Doesn't it on Motorolas?
[General Topics] initialjdg:
droid x bootloader has yet to be cracked a year later.
[General Topics] Digital1325:
First their lackluster 2011 line-up and now this...

Hopefully they don't start locking up Nexus devices next.
[General Topics] blackangel73:
Android devices locked = iPhone
[General Topics] mbbauk:
Hi Guys,

Well we all been there before. The manufatures lock down the fones and the mobile revolutionist reverse enginer the codes so whats new!, they spend time and money to lock it and the mobile hackers undo it.

So HTC bring it on.
[General Topics] robohh:
HTC Shot themselves in the foot!!

The theme I am hearing in all of these posts, is not that the phones can't be "Mastered" by there owners, but HTC has become part of the "Machine". They bowed down to the pressures of the almighty $$$ instead of realizing were those $$$ come from. We the Masses.... It's time to hit HTC where it hurts.
[General Topics] Step666:
You can't flash custom ROMs on Motorola handsets.

You can customise them to a degree through rooting, uninstalling all the Blur ([size=1Motorola's UI[/size]) crap etc but you can't install a ROM that isn't based on an official or leaked Motorola ROM due to their encryption/signing practices.

So for example on my Motorola Defy, I can't Gingerbread until/unless there's a proper Motorola build released/leaked, I can only use Froyo ROMs based on one of the official Motorola ones.

See the rest of my post, not everything can be cracked purely through the collective will of an active modding community.
[General Topics] RogerPodacter:
If the root community is so small as to be statistically insignificant, then why is HTC wasting their time on this at all? And what's the point of the android license requiring a manufacturer to release the source code within 60 days or whatever if its now going to be useless anyway?

Man this will suck if It's true. HTC is my go to company. What the hell will I do now...
[General Topics] rosser725:
If new future devices from HTC won't allow me to load custom roms, i will never buy an HTC device again.
[General Topics] pittn8ve:
After reading this post i must say it will be hard to invest in another HTC product. Damn the evo 3d sure was looking tempting too!
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
Most likely carrier influence.

Sent from my Incredible with the XDA Premium App.
[General Topics] synaesthetic:
So... if HTC starts locking their bootloaders... are there even any hacking-friendly OEMs left?
[General Topics] :
LG is looking good. To go for me the LG optimus 2x was easy as hell to hack. So they say. So I will be getting G2x when it comes out on america.
[General Topics] synaesthetic:
Why did Nokia have to slob Microsoft's knob and cancel the N9 and meego... :(

I just want my tiny computer to be at least half as customizable as my not-so-tiny computer! Grr! Is that so hard?
[General Topics] MartyLK:
Hahaha...not a chance. Motorola is still a left-behind, third-rate phone maker. HTC is where it's at and the future will prove that. Motorola may have made a dinky splash with the Atrix, but beyond that, unless you use Verizon, there isn't much of any choice for an HTC caliber smartphone. Lets look at it, shall we:

T-Mobile - Motorola

CLIQ XT

CLIQ 2

DEFY

Charm

T-Mobile - HTC

HD2

HD7

G2

MyTouch 3G

MyTouch 3G Slide

MyTouch 4G

AT&T - Motorola

Flipout

Atrix

Bravo

Flipside

AT&T - HTC

Surround

Aria

Freestyle

Inspire 4G

Tilt 2

Sprint - Motorola

i1

ES400S

Sprint - HTC

EVO Shift 4G

EVO 4G

Arrive

Touch Pro 2

Verizon - Motorola

Droid Pro

Droid X

CITRUS

Droid 2

Droid R2D2

Verizon - HTC

Thunderbolt

Imagio

Droid Incredible
[General Topics] Step666:
If that's the case, why isn't every manufacturer introducing measures such as this?

Because Meego isn't remotely near ready for consumers.

Nokia were spending nearly 10 times as much on Symbian as they ever did on Meego and look how God-awful it is.

edit: and you're clearly from the US to be at all bothered about what Nokia are doing.

Some of us know better - their phones are crap, no matter what they're running.
[General Topics] phaze one:
Incredible is HTC not Motorola.

If they lock it up I'm definitely not buying anything HTC. After modding my phone, there's no going back. Def going to go to a phone I can mod. You've been warned HTC!
[General Topics] williamsean:
Update:

Sony-Ericsson makes a tool to load custom roms onto their devices (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73521/so...t-custom-roms-op-android-phones-mogelijk.html)

This is good news!
[General Topics] :
Ah yes, bitpim...the good ol' days!

Anyways, yes this is a terrible move when it comes to the enthusiast community which has always been a big supporter of htc. But seeing motorola's success with a locked bootloader I don't think htc is overly concerned about losing too much revenue from this.

But we've recently seen motorola start to cave on their locked bootloader so I feel after a year or so of our complaining, htc will hopefully see the light.
[General Topics] Step666:
That's news to us Motorola owners...
[General Topics] tommo123:
for me it's simple. my next phone will have to have certain criteria met. being able to have root/flash roms etc is one of them. if i can't do that, any phone would be a downgrade from my current desire irrespective of the hardware/android version
[General Topics] MilkPudding:
+1 on this.

There are other companies, like Samsung. They may be slow in updating the official firmwares but I can always flash custom ROMs. It's also why it never bothers me.
[General Topics] Nizzay!:
Its a shame they're doing this but from business view it makes sense
[General Topics] irtehkewlzz:
i'm sure some of the wonderful people at XDA will be able to crack it even with the extra security measures
[General Topics] Ceeefax:
Completely agree. It looks like it'll be the next Nexus phone from my Desire. Was really interested in the incredible s until i saw the problems with rooting.
[General Topics] qipengart:
I went Samsung because I don't want to support Sony for their lawsuit against Geohot as well as trying to figure out what LG does.

Motorola is too locked down but love their phones too. Best hacking for Android is on the netbook Asus I am using now! :)
[General Topics] MarkusPO:
Well, the S2 is going to have encrypted hardware, so I doubt it'll be flashable.