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[Atrix 4G General] MLonon:
As a former Atrix owner, I say wait or if you cannot then get something else. The M-Atrix is WAY too crippled for all of its potential and I personally think it is foolish to rely on Moto and AT&T to allow it to do so.

Yeah the phone has dual core but without custom kernels you will have to rely on Moto to optimize Android for both cores. Webtop is awesome...except you need BT gear to use it without the docks and you still cannot hook up a usd HDD. Just look at the HSUPA nonsense for an indication of how bright the future is for this phone.

My advise is to wait for one of the LG* dual cores. Otherwise get a Nexus S. It will probably have the highest resale value when it comes time to "upgrade" to a dual core phone.

* I recommend LG because I do not trust Samsuck after their Galaxy S(hite) fiasco and HTC is going the way of Motrolla.
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
We're getting HSUPA. Please start paying attention. The point of this phone is that we don't need all these custom kernels. Better yet, use Setcpu and put min to the highest and keep Max at the highest... then watch it fly. You do NOT need Bluetooth gear to use webtop.
[Atrix 4G General] PakaPakaxz:
Why dual core? because its new .. i don't want to buy something "old" when there is a device in the same price with dual core cpu.

Well than, i think i will buy the Atrix.

If i won't love it and see that it can't be hacked, i will sell it and buy something else.
[Atrix 4G General] peacekeeper05:
The atrix is the only dual core out in the US market as of the moment so you have no choice since you really want a dual core, just sell it if another dual core comes out without a locked bootloader.
[Atrix 4G General] maxcc:
I will buy the Atrix as my first Android phone after reading multiple posts here.

I am coming from WebOS and really, really liked it but I need something more.

This phone looks like it have all the potential with original rom so for the first couple of months it's a lot of fun and very decent. After that you can be sure that custom roms will be available and it add so much more to the longevity of the phone for me and probly for you if you are posting here...

The choice is yours!
[Atrix 4G General] PakaPakaxz:
I will buy it ! :)

Thank you everyone.
[Atrix 4G General] Welshy992:
Great choice man. If it's buggy just remember to do a restore.
[Atrix 4G General] NoNameAtAll:
Motorola is already working on an update. It's a very small one that is mainly just bug fixes, but one month in and there's already an update in the works? That's actually a good sign.
[Atrix 4G General] MLonon:
I have no doubt that you will EVENTUALLY get HSUPA, my point was that you do not have it NOW like Inspire owners do because of the phone is locked down (crippled). Basically, you will ALWAYS be at the mercy of the "dynamic duo" and both have shown a great disdain for their customers from the jump between the signing, webtop, and HSUPA.

You DO need BT gear if you want to use Webtop without being financially sodomized for overpriced docks. Or have they cracked OTG on the usb yet?
[Atrix 4G General] PakaPakaxz:
Now, where is the cheapest place to buy this phone?

AT&T with a customer ? 500 USD ?
[Atrix 4G General] FLAC Vest:
Yea 499 no commitment at ATT.
[Atrix 4G General] Dell2:
Sorry but no, this is not a good sign, Motorola has taken a page out of Apple's handbook. Right after a new jailbreak, Apple releases an insignificant update to disable the exploit. Motorola is doing the same thing, their beta release disables root access and blocks all exploits.

Personally, I think DesignGear's release of the retail sbf has Motorola worried. My Atrix is now like the Iphone; no matter what I do to it, I can go back to out of the box condition.

Apple's recent stance of "us against the world" didn't just include google and microsoft, it included their customers as well(your holding it wrong). Their thug behaviour made me switch to android, and if android manufacturers follow Apple, I will get a Nokia with the Windows system on it.
[Atrix 4G General] NoNameAtAll:
When you put it that way, I agree. I only meant in the hopes that the update we all want: Gingerbread and onward, will come swiftly. Plus, this update did fix something: Auto dimming the display with the wall charger.
[Atrix 4G General] gachiennuocmam:
Atrix is very good enough without Cooked Roms but it still has a few issues. I suggest you to wait or look for others.
[Atrix 4G General] :
I decided to return mine. No official GingerBread, little to no dev support (I don't blame them) and obviously Motorola, who are hardly interested in any dev support.

I might get the Nexus S once in comes down in Canada.
[Atrix 4G General] eon69nc:
switched to Thunderbolt

I had the atrix, loved the phone except two issues, the locked bootloader and the qhd screen. because moto will not unlock a device which i purchase, i had no recourse but to return the phone. Now I have an unlock, rooted thunderbolt with custom roms.
[Atrix 4G General] NonovUrbizniz:
Atrix owns... It's such a sick phone and WAY more...

I've never not hacked a phone and I have not had ONE occasion where I wanted to on this phone..

Even not having root and dealing with blur this phone is SOOOOO much better than anything else I've had my hands on..

The only improvement for me (besides root) would be a larger screen

Sent from the future on my Atrix 4g
[Atrix 4G General] plmiller0905:
The Thunderbolt is a nice phone. But keep in mind, HTC is close to taking the same measures with locking their bootloaders just like Motorola did. I'm wondering if the Evo 3D will be locked down....
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
At the rate you're going with cell phone manufacturer hate just buy a pager when your contract is done.
[Atrix 4G General] trell959:
just play the waiting game. the bootloader will eventually be cracked. im only looking forward to it because i wanna get of ****ty motoblur but i just use launcher pro :D ... and besides cyanogenmod is over-rated anyway lol
[Atrix 4G General] Sugarkryptonite:
What ROM do you have on your Thunderbolt? I honestly don't see the point really...but maybe that's just me.
[Atrix 4G General] MLonon:
I do not have a contract. I have not been on a contract since 2005. Getting a contract is an idiotic practice that is the direct cause of the ****e state of the wireless industry in America today. Moto and Att would not have shipped such a crippled device if it were not for contracts.
[Atrix 4G General] MLonon:
The TBolt is Sensed. Maybe he just wants stock...?
[Atrix 4G General] hospadam:
This might be a dumb point... but - doesn't this phone have a custom ROM already? GingerBlur? I realize it doesn't have as many ROMs as other phones... but is GingerBlur different somehow? Does it improve the performance? When I played around with an Atrix in the store... it felt really laggy. I ended up buying the Inspire instead...

I have the option to swap my Inspire for an Atrix, and I'm trying to decide what to do. I just want as close to stock experience. (I don't really like SenseUI or Motoblur)...

I just want the phone to *feel* fast when I'm using it...
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
Spb Mobile Shell is out :)
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
You can use a USB keyboard and mouse with the docks. http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-atrix-4g-hd-dock-20110220/

Read the first paragraph.

We're getting HSPA+ in April, along with Inspire. Like I said, start watching the tech blogs and you'll learn more, and not spout useless information.

Your HSUPA point is invalid.

Either way, it comes down to what you really want. The ability to customize almost anything on the device, or have things like GingerBlur that still perform fine.

This device is amazing OTB. My cappy and Inspire were HORRIBLE without ROMs. I had to slap cognition on the cappy and CM7 on the Inspire as soon as I got them because they performed so horribly without. Device performs fine for now, we even have overclocking.

This phone out-of-the-box > almost every other phone OTB
[Atrix 4G General] :
How come cyanogen isn't developing for the Atrix. He developed for the milestone which is unlocked to the same extent as Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] di11igaf:
Ya, don't count on that, how long have some of the Droids gone without a bootloader crack? If your talking years for a crack, then ya it'll eventually happen.

So what was wrong with the inspire out of the box? I had them both for a little less than a month, tested them side by side, inspire blew the atrix out of the water at everything. That's with a stock inspire.

Browsing on the inspire was faster every test. Same with YouTube loading. Flash was smoother on the inspire A simple live wallpaper will lag the atrix to hell. Not that thats that important, its just the point. On the inspire with 2x the amount of apps, when you go to settings, manage apps, the inspire loaded all the apps twice as fast as the atrix. Same result for app to qr. Run put a custom kernel on the inspire, and the tests are flat out embarrassing for the atrix. I ran my inspire with my kernel yesterday overclock to 1804 mhz, got 16 hours off a charge, with over 3 hours screen on time with the brightness almost at 100%. That's fine for me, and its faster than the atrix will probably ever be.

Even if you can put roms on the atrix, its not getting any faster, there's not a whole lot rom side to optimize, besides a few libs, which I doubt is being done. 99% of the speed improvements are gonna be in the kernel. And while I think what Kenneth is doing is great for the people who just want something that's not stock, I hate how there's a LOT of new Android users on the atrix, who will never see the potential of android, and return the phone and tell everybody their iPhone is faster than the atrix. It's just a bad representation of what can truly be done with android. The captivate for instance, stock the phone sucks. After some kernel work, the phone is pretty damn fast. Inspire stock, its fast already, but after an optimized kernel, its on another level. The atrix, your pretty much stuck with what you get, except what moto decides you should have(I'm not talking about root, I'm talking kernel wise-where the big improvements are made. I

I bet if you could modify the atrix kernel, even just changing some configs would probably speed up the phone majorly, without even touching any kernel code, but its not gonna happen. I guess it just pisses me off cause I really wanted to like the phone, but moto had to completely f*@k up what could have been an amazing phone.
[Atrix 4G General] sirkao:
this is my first motorola phone and I came from iphones. Man does this sucks balls. If you ask me "DONT BUY IT". It looks good on paper and thats it. Looks cheap, feels cheap, performs like it looks. No good games/apps on android market. Go to apple and you are set for life. really, i mean really do you really need the webtop? I hope iphone 5 coming soon, this piece of **** is going in the trash and ****ted on!!!
[Atrix 4G General] :
Haha apple.

It's your choice but the iphone4 has more problems than the atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] ChumleyEX:
I don't understand the looks cheap and feels cheap comment. I think this thing looks and feels great.
[Atrix 4G General] Namuh:
Just took my Atrix back last night and picked up the Inspire. The Atrix, as a phone/text/ music/movies/games daily use mobile device, stands up well even in stock form. Even if it did have some annoying bugs here and there for me. (Spotty bluetooth, muffled voice syndrome, random rebooting.) The resolution, speed and tegra performance was great as well. Build quality is ok.Dual core is nice but nothing that really utilizes both cores right now.

Overall it was a good experience but I got bored fast even after rooting. My friends who have also bought Atrix, who don't know or care about roms etc, love their Atrix in stock form and like it better than the iphone they upgraded from.

However, the Inspire allows me the ability to root, sim unlock, flash new roms, update kernels, radios, enable hsupa, sideload, and extend battery life. I did all of this as soon as I took it out of the box. Also the dev/user community over in the Inspire section is busy and lively and keeps me richly involved in all of these things.

These are the things that I want to do, and be involved in

now

and not somewhere down the road when the Atrix bootloader is finally free of its chains. The Inspire wins me over right now and the Atrix will have to wait as I sit on the side lines and look forward to a time when a bootloader solution arrives. Until then I'm happy with the Inspire. It satisfies my want to tinker and make it mine. It's no slouch as a daily use device either. Overclocked to 1.8 ;) I also didn't want to support Motorola after locking the Atrix down like this. Hope is not a good upgrade strategy! :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G General] FLAC Vest:
And you're comparing it to what? I have the nexus 1 and this build runs all over the Atrix's build.
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
First off, the Verizon Droids have eFuse. That's much different than what we have.

Second, I don't know what kind of Atrix you got. I've live wallpapers up the wazoo and it runs great. My Inspire was laggy, battery life was horrid (for a power user like myself). Once I threw CM7 on there, almost all my problems went away.

And ZOMG NO WAY DOOD! 3 HOURS???? WTF??? TELL ME YOUR SECRETS!!!! It's 3 hours, you're not cool for being able to make it last that short of a time. Let me see any stock Inspire outperform an Atrix in battery life.

Also, we haz O.C'ing now bro. 1.5 GHz, so I don't understand what your problem with speed is. Shows how much you pay attention to Atrix development when you complain about already solved things.

Ah, I see. You're an Inspire dev. Why don't you head back to the Inspire forums, and we'll holler when we need you. Which is probably never since you're busy bathing in the Inspire's horrible battery acids.

I don't want to compare a stock Atrix with a heavily modded Inspire here. It seems that's what you're doing, however. How about you flash your Inspire to stock, and see how well it performs compared to an Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] PakaPakaxz:
Maybe ill take the LG Optimus 2X ?

How is it compared to the Atrix?
[Atrix 4G General] explosivpotato:
No, we don't. There is a dev thread about it, but it doesn't work (yet).
[Atrix 4G General] bwzippy:
I did the *exact* same thing, for the *exact* same reasons. Good HW on the moto.. bad software implementation with no recourse to change it on my end.

I voted with my wallet. Also got $100 back on the Inspire too.. I'll put that towards a non-Moto tablet in the near future.
[Atrix 4G General] smurfit:
Live wallpaper was laggy for sure, even with launcher pro. Normal wallpaper was buttery smooth but would slow down eventually when I open too many apps. Would need to use task killer frequently which was annoying.
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
I'm running a live wallpaper. With ADW though. Feels fine to me.
[Atrix 4G General] G1-8701:
ARE U SERIOUS????? APPLE??? HAHAH!!!! u gotta be kidding me, set 4 life? Your too funny, the customization options of apple compared to android are hilarious. Looks cheap, feels cheap, performs like it looks? Your biased opinion is so funny that it can't be taken serious, the iphone 4 can't even handle the Evo haha, and yea u can root the Evo(but i've compared the speeds of a heavily modded evo to my stock Atrix, and the Atrix still comes out on top). Apple has 4 versions of ONE PHONE lol, and none of them can hold a candle to the Atrix, and i seriously doubt the iphone 5 will be much different from the iphone 4 performance wise. The Atrix is a great phone, Motorola did a great job on the phone(besides the locked bootloader), but they created the most stable and powerful phone to date. I've checked some of the important specs on the upcoming android devices and some came close but haven't beat the specs of the Atrix(but that's on another debate)

But you go get a iphone 4 or 5 when it comes out, jailbreak it, and mod it however u want, then come back and i'll put my STOCK Atrix up against it, i'll put money on it that my Atrix will easily make your iphone look like a Fisher Price Toy......
[Atrix 4G General] smurfit:
I tried ADW as well, same performance as it was with blur and pro. Try switching between normal and live wallpaper. Theres a noticeable difference.
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
You're joking right? The Nexus one I had, had serious build issues - even the battery cover and screen didnt meet properly with the metal body. Not to mention that a load of us early adopters had issues with dust under the screen, and roller balls that really sucked ballz.. I also had major issues with the touch sensitive back button not responding on the N1. 20% of the time it worked at best.

The Nexus One still to this day is one of my favourite phones - because it was revolutionary at the time, and as a result I forgave HTC for the build issues. But when I compare it to the Atrix, the Atrix really does own it.

I rate the Atrix much higher than the Nexus One, and even the Nexus S.
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
Trust me. I have. There's no noticeable difference. Perhaps you were using a wallpaper that was too heavy? I see no difference.
[Atrix 4G General] tronofthedead:
a good rule of thumb is to not buy anything if youre not 100% convinced you want it.
[Atrix 4G General] stewartsoda:
Seriously THIS. Or man up and admit that you made a bad decision for you personally and take the thing back. Stop coming to threads and posting flamebait about how iPhone/Desire HD/N1/NS/etc. is better because it gives you a bigger e-peen.

If you don't like the phone, that's great. My wife has an iPhone. It has a beautiful screen. But I can't live within Apple's walled garden. Likewise, she likes the size of my Atrix but she would die trying to configure the Xperia Arc launcher. Different strokes for different folks.

Now that I have made a penis joke, size reference, and wank reference I will conclude.

tl;dr - Get a life.
[Atrix 4G General] di11igaf:
I know exactly the differences, but thats irrelevant In my post. The Droids bootloaders haven't been cracked, and the atrixs' won't be cracked either.

And reread my post. I compared the two phones with a STOCK inspire. I wasn't comparing the inspire at 1804 mhz with the atrix, but if I did it would have been even more embarrassing for the atrix, since even my captivate at 1ghz with my rom/kernel was faster at almost every test I did against the atrix. I even gave the atrix the benefit of the doubt, and got a second one thinking the first was just a dud. Nope, second one was too, a dual core 1ghz phone slower at everything vs a single core. Look at all the lag threads/posts in this forum. In this thread alone, look at others complaining that a live wallpaper alone makes the atrix lag horribly.

My comment about screen on time was to whoever posted about the bad battery with overclock(probably you) on the inspire, and I posted my results, which are not bad; better than the captivate battery life with no overclock.

Oh, no wait. I was just trying to be cool.

I post in here cause I had 2 atrix's for a month, and would have been a dev in here if the phone wasn't a slow lagfest, with no way of helping it or speeding it up.

Oh, you have an overclock, I don't see anyone posting that it works... show me your arix overclocked. I know its possible to change clock speed at runtime, but have you overclocked your atrix yet?

So , bottom line, you got me beat on battery, I give you that. 24 hours is good enough for me, so ill take the faster, lag free phone over the phone with a battery that lasts 3 days but feels like its got an iPhone 3g CPU, with no way to speed it up. Overclocking isn't the speed end all be all. I'll take an optimized kernel at 1ghz over just an overclock at xxxx(doesn't matter). But, that doesn't really pertain to you.

I'm done in here, and you can keep bathing in your atrix's lag.
[Atrix 4G General] PakaPakaxz:
AT&T just raise up the price of the Atrix 4G.

550 USD for no contract buying.

I just get into one of their store, and buy this phone ? are you sure?
[Atrix 4G General] eowyn:
Bigger screen? Dell Streak 5! :D
[Atrix 4G General] FLAC Vest:
Are you asking us if you should buy this phone at 550 unlocked? I personally dont' think you should. There are going to be tones of things coming out and by the time summer comes around, there will be bigger and better phones than the Atrix. My main gripe with the Atrix is the locked bootloader though; if it was unlocked I would probably still have the one I picked up on launch date.
[Atrix 4G General] aquariumdrinker:
The Atrix is a sweet piece of hardware. I returned it and have been using my ancient blackberry while I wait for the G2x to come out. But the only significant reason for my decision was my sense that we won't see an unlocked bootloader for some time, if at all, and custom development is one of the things that makes Android fun for me. The Optimus 2x Developers forum is an embarrassment of riches compared to the Atrix Dev forum. That's not to take anything away from Atrix devs -- they are working on a much more intractable set of problems.

But there's no question that the Atrix is an excellent phone, and if I had been unable to return the phone I wouldn't be complaining. (I wasn't crazy about the screen, but that wasn't a big factor. Frankly I was happy with the screen until I read a thread where someone pointed out issues with the way it renders a section of the green-to-yellow spectrum, and then I couldn't un-see it.)

But recommending the iPhone over the Atrix seems kind of cracked to me. There are similarities -- both are excellent hardware. But, to me, Atrix's biggest failing is Moto's hostility to third party developers. And if that bugs you, Apple is the last company you should be buying from.
[Atrix 4G General] PixoNova:
You're either a moron or you had bad atri (plural for atrix?) Its a freaking dual core phone. It does not lag with live wallpaper. If it is lagging your Atrix is a dud from China or you're purposely putting the biggest memory hog on it and putting a smaller one on the Inspire.

And I see very few lag complaints. Compared to a stock Inspire, Atrix destroys it. You can't deny it. I own an Inspire myself. It's not as bad as my captivate OTB, but the Atrix still stomps all over both.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvigue:
i have spotty 3g in my area, so my phone is switching between EDGE and 3g allot. for what ever reason, it completely looses signal to switch over. i have had many cell/smart phones and all the other ones switch over without loosing signal. it is really getting annoying, but i love my atrix. what is the issue? i STILL have not found a way to disable 3g and just use EDGE...4636 does not stay.

the other thing i have not called and switched my plan to the 4g plan yet, i have a BB also and i am still on a BB data plan. i DO get h+ on my phone, so by getting the 4g plan, will this stop this signal loss from happening? as i said, i could care if i had 3g, im fine with EDGE since im on wifi.

any help/advice would be greatly appreciated..

thanks!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smallsmx3:
There is no 4g plan since its not 4g. Its still a 3g network so if u have a 3g plan then you are on the fastest that att has to offer. Their 4g claims are a farce
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hondaguy:
try a new sim card if your card is over 6months old. when i select gms only in that service menu it disconnects from the network for a few seconds then locks on edge and stays on edge
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dLo GSR:
I have this same problem too on a regular 3g data plan so I don't think it's bb related. it bothers the crap out of me
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvigue:
Really....humming....I am using my micro sim from my iPhone with the sim adapter....maybe a trip to AT&T for a new sim is in order
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CoriolisSTORM:
My iPhone 3GS had this problem, my Atrix does too, but it's not nearly as bad about it.