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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Well...so...nobody else wants video calling? I have an iPhone 4 and have yet to make one video call. But I bought my iPhone 4 for many reasons and video calling was one. Just because I don't use something does not mean I don't want something. It also does not mean others don't want it. I plan to use video calling extensively once my brother gets his iPhone 4...or 5.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I'm away a lot for work and when I talk to my girlfriend it's really cool to see each other, it's not business or "get something done" application, but for the business/traveling person or the person who's away for a while it's a very nice feature communicating to loved ones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
A guy posts on a blog claiming he worked for Microsoft and the company is in disarray. And he says how things are so much better at Apple and Google but never says if he actually worked at any of those companies.

And some people believe him because he is saying the things they want to hear?

If I told an odd story about the time I interned at Apple and Steve Jobs had a sculpture of himself and made interns clean it everyday would you believe me too?

http://www.microsoft.com/about/diversity/en/us/programs/awards.aspx

•Number 42 on Fortune Magazine's list of the 2006 100 Best Companies to Work For. This ranking is up from number 57 the year before and marks Microsoft's ninth consecutive year on the list.

Maybe he was one of the few that had a problem.
[Windows Phone 7 General] elmerendeiro:
well you need to distinguish your needs from what a smartphone should be able to do in 2011, i personally agree but it's not like that for everyone...and even if you don't use it, it's good to have it there in case you need
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I don't recall him saying that about Apple or Google. But what he does say about MS brings all my suspicions together. I have heard working for MS is sweet; a great company to work for. I have heard that Apple kicks its worker's asses and makes them work. I haven't heard anything about Google. But one thing I do know, everyone wants a cush job. Everyone wants an easy job. If one company doesn't make you work hard, they tend to be highly rated by the employees. If another company makes you work your ass off, they tend to be lowly rated by the employees. The company that doesn't make you work hard tends to have workers with a CYA attitude. It's a sweet, cushy job and they will CYA themselves to death to keep it.

But here is where it comes together: The company that drives its workers hard tends to put out better products. And I have heard that Jobs is a slave driver and hard to work for. The company that is relaxed and takes it easy, tends to put out lower quality products. And I have heard that Balmer is laid back and easy to work for. But Apple's products are truly high quality. So far, MS's products are proving to be lackluster.

Everything exmsft has said has chimed with me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
He more or less said Google and Apple were better companies since they lacked the bad politics that Microsoft had. Now he must be the luckiest person in the world to have worked at 3 of those companies to know internal politics of all those companies.

Believe this: those are all great companies to work for and they all have politics.

The blog comment guy then marginalizes what Microsoft managed to do with Metro by saying they got lucky. That shows his mindset right there you know.

People will choose to believe what they want to.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
But see, that chimes, in my mind, with what he said. If a laid back company is going to produce something as sweet as WP7, they either had one worker who did it and then others who stole credit for it. Or they are, in fact, a hard working company. The former chimes with being lucky enough to have a worker capable of producing WP7 and then left because of being screwed over by the CYA mentality. The latter suggests consistently high quality products. I don't see consistently high quality products from MS. What I do see is one superb product, WP7, that is being ruined.

It is far easier reasoning that MS had one or a group of workers that were capable and motivated enough to produce WP7 as it currently is and who got screwed out of credit for it by higher ups and then quit, leaving WP7 to gather dust because the remaining people aren't smart enough or capable enough to evolve it properly.

This also runs into the rationality that the reason MS is being so slow with WP7 is because they don't want to screw it up. They have a sweet OS they didn't create and the ones who did create it and can help it are gone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] f1restarter:
This is not just some guy called exmsft complaining about MS CYA culture. Paul Thurrot who was one of the original WP7 testers and someone who attended the WP7 meetings regarding their strategy and future updates clearly said months ago that Microsoft is hiding the fact that the updates will be dictated by the carriers. This guy actually was one of the biggest WP7 supporters and wrote the book on the WP7 platform but even he had to admit this CYA culture of Microsoft is screwing this great platform. During the WP7 meeting he even made sure that Joe Belfiore tell everyone present that the updates will not be dictated by the carriers and now this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
care to explain???

How was the kinect not innovative?

PS Move was not innovative.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
My post was so full of sarcasm that it nearly exploded. Of course the Kinect was innovative. It is a wonderful product that redefines motion-capture gaming. And it has tons of potential, which hackers are untapping for PC applications.

But some people cannot give Jack his jacket. Microsoft innovate? Inconceivable!

Maybe the next thing the naysayers will say is they took the general concept from Nintendo and it is just a glorified webcam. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Apple abounded a similar idea before the kinect, but have they patented the idea Microsoft would have been in the deep.

Yeah, but you have to give that innovative company ( MSFT) some credit - they have filed multiple patents of ideas that they failed to implement and now they are strong arming their way through the court system. That's the concept of innovation at MSFT.

Sent from my Bionix powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Microsoft messed up when they gave the carriers too much power. Android is the epitome of this, and Apple clearly displayed how much confidence you can instill in customers when you take that power away from the carriers.

iOS update had a bad bug in it? Yes, people will complain, but they will also be confident that Apple will release a patch to fix it, and it will not take half a year for them to get it. Google fixed the SMS bug in Android (SMS going out randomly to random people in your contact list), but most Android phones will never get that update because OEMs won't bother - mostly because carriers will just hold up the update anyways... way past the release date of other phones they're working on.

Microsoft should have released one really good phone on each carrier and focused on quality, iterating fast to add features, and keeping these "we need to test this forever" powers out of the hands of the carriers. The only time a Carrier should need to test an update is if it updates the cell radio, and that component should be decoupled from everything else, anyways, which means any feature/bug fix updates should come straight from Microsoft.

Microsoft is rolling out the update the way they rolled out the Windows Live Wave 4 deployment. Any Hotmail users will know how SLOW that rollout was, but for those of you who don't, you better hope hte fact that there are exponentially less WP7 users leads to a faster rollout. Microsoft is not kidding when they say it can be weeks (emphasis on the fact that it's plural) before you get an update notification.

I'm through with WP7. First and last device. I may just bite the bullet and load a custom ROM on my Vibrant so I can switch my Unlimited Data SIM back to it and use the HD7 as primarily a PMP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
On an HD2 WM6.5 isn't laggy.

What wasn't, was robust. It was like Windows 98 on a phone, basically.

Also, Microsoft kept setting the barrier too low, so the OS wasn't able to take advantage of great hardware. The HD2 was a prime example of this. Ridiculously good hardware (when it was released, it was one of the best phones in the world), and the OS looked good at face value but it was not a robust system.

Hardware can negate much of the lag - Android is a clear example of this with the OEM spec race :P

The biggest issue with Windows Mobile was that it was designed for stylus use and trying to fix that meant breaking literally 90% of Windows Mobile applications. All of the controls would have needed a revamp, as well as the general user interface.

HTC went a long way to try to replace (or rather) hide as much as possible, but you still routinely found yourself on a dialog or settings page that required laser-like precision with your fingertip because the stylus controls were so damn small and unintuitive.

That being said, Microsoft probably could have fixed it by adding an optical trackpad to WinMo devices (Similar to BB/Symbian devices) which acted as a select and/or home key when pressed and spending the 2 years they spent on WP7 revamping Windows Mobile. WinMo needed multi touch support. There's nothing about the WP7 IE browser that leads one to believe it could not be done just as well on Windows Mobile. A better virtual keyboard would have been great, as well. .NET CF/SQL CE, etc. had already been ported to WinMo. Don't think it would have taken too much effort to get Silverlight there.

In addition to that, they would have gained many of the inherent benefits of WinMo: Support for OTA updates (that Carriers/OEMs NEVER used), multi-tasking, finished APIs allowing developers to develop the most advanced of applications and/or games, ridiculously good Exchange/Enterprise support, and a free WM7 phone if they allowed the HD2 to be updated which would have allowed them to sell many more devices and gain a lot more consumer confidence.

I think they wanted to avoid Windows Mobile's reputation going forward, though...

That being said, WP7 is about as robust as Windows Mobile in my opinion. Apps crash left and right and even some of the stock apps (i.e. Marketplace, IE) can have catastrophic failures forcing you to reboot your phone or pull the battery.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
While I understand some frustration, to even IMAGINE that WinMo was superior to WP7 is just silly. WinMo was antiquated garbage. Yes, it had features they mysteriously didn't bother with for WP7, but as a platform, WinMo was *archaic*, the mobile OS equivalent of Windows 95.

WP7 is superior to WinMo in all but one area: missing standard fair *phone* features. Those should have been obvious starting points, and there's a LOT of room to ***** about WP7 (I do it constantly, trust me :), but the idea of WinMo as superior? That's just plain silly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] skribbler86:
Its the truth
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Hardware can't negate all lag and WM was laggy regardless. Android - support + decent coding was WinMo. It had a lot of issues and really just couldn't conceivably be brought into a modern market and become profitable. Half the reason it was such an immense failure was the fact that it was just too complex for your average consumer. When I pull out my old HD2 and I look into the options menu I'm just like "Hmm, most people would never use more than 3/4 of these AND I should have a stylus to navigate this." WM was a great introductory mobile OS when it was on devices such as the Dash but it never made a proper transition to touch screen devices despite the fact that it had been on them for some time. The HD2 as good as it was was sold primarily for the hardware. What percentage of XDA members do you think actually use WM as teir daily driver? Hell, I got my HD2 in a trade for a G1 because the HD2 was too complex for the original owner and quite frankly I couldnt blame her. It was an ugly Os and regardless of how much aluminum foil you wrap a turd in it's still a turd.

As for your WP7 issues I'd blame those on the fact that you have the HD7. HTC's WP7 devices thusfar have been almost embarrassing from a company that once lead the pack in terms of innovation. Their devices are slower than others, uglier than others, and their gimmick phones are just depressing. I have no issues with my Focus, Quantum, or DVP (though I have all WP7 devices released in the states)
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It's trying to sale android. I bet I could do one of those pro WP7, lets see

granted, I could continue but wasn't trying to turn this into a debate, just stating the obvious... I do however find it funny that I have visual voicemail via third party app and we're at like what, 11,000 apps?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
z33dev33l,

I think we are reading too much into this chart. Have you ever seen the tablet charts? A Yes/No chart is just a grid of things that can be compared with the outcome being simple Yes or No, there or not there. In this day of apps to fill a void the only qualification is if it is there standard or can be there with an app.

Every system has missing features on initial offering. I believe that if you buy an item and you are expecting all the issues to be resolved in a short space of time then you can only blame yourself. Coming on here shouting about it does not help.

Do early adpoters not understand their place in the food chain?

Companies spend lots of money on R&D and advertising to sell a new product. Early adoprters buy said product and generate cashflow for that company to improve the product. If no one early adopted few products would make it past that initial offering.

Windows Phone will improve. There is no question about that. People will complain alot now. At the end of the year the system will be a force to be reckoned with. Some people will wait it out while others will not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I completely agree, the android trolls that come in here to add nothing to the conversation but a smart-ass comment just get annoying and occasionally I offer rebuttal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Marginal things compared to the main tablet.

And with a little lie about UI, again.

WP7 UI is laggy, sometimes it's even embarassing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Cute, and you call me the liar. I don't know what WP7 device you might be using but it's certainly none of them released in America.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You mean what, I've made it up?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Certainly not, but I mean if you have a WP7 device that lags it must not be any sold in the states and I can only assume that a smartphone that lags with this OS on it is made out of mud and sticks. Either that or I'd be having a serious talk with my OEM about a replacement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Here fixed it:

We can add a lot more to the list, ringtones, fast app switching etc...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Judging by what I've seen so far, yes, you're making it up. Or lying. Or whatever. What matters is that it's bull****.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Might I ask how you got Netflix to stream on android? As I said, all Oses have their faults but it's not right (though it is the foundation of advertising) in a poll like that to focus on one OSes strengths and then compare the other two to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Heh, so that means you're simply an idiot.

Or just use the device as a toy, not seriously by any means.

Step by to my place and see WP7 in action, you'd see what I'm talking about.

Here on the internet forum of course, there's no proof we can give to each other.

But if you claim I made up facts of everyday usage of the device than, yeah, you must be one of those fanboys who neglect facts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
You could post a video if it's not BS...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
on this chart, the laughable things are there, but what does "Full Facebook Integration" mean ? anyone ?

i really don't want a third party application (like facebook) to have root access, or a similar access to my contacts and moofing them up. there have been a few problems with FB contacts here and there getting transposed, wrongly updated, etc

any clarification ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You're right. That's maybe a good idea to show some things.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PieOfJustice:
Zune Pass can't be used because it is only available in a few places. Hell the entire Zune marketplace is available in a few places.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Well, works fine for me so I personally can use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Oh that's right, than **** the rest of the world.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Not at all, I travel to Italy at least twice a year and I'm sure it will be a pain there. I bear no ill will towards the rest of the world. I am simply stating just because the feature is not present for all users doesn't mean it should be null and void from all debate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
I know you speak the truth because I experience the lag every time I go in the Marketplace on WiFi or 3G, sometimes it even freezes & I have to do a restart. I have a Samsung Focus. I have no MicroSD card just in case some might think that may be the cause of the freezing.

What gets me is people getting so defensive because other people are posting negative comments, that are true to what their experiences have been with WP7.

Some are so willing to believe in MS that in other threads they are saying NoDo is a test firmware to test the update process :). Others say we should be more like Apple supporters & not hate on MS. If I wanted to be like Apple supporters I would just get Apple products, they do form before function way better then MS ever will be able to.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Some people don't experiance these problems so they find it questionable when other experiance every bug reported on xda on one phone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Exactly, and that's why I said that I'm judging by what I've seen.

The Marketplace app does crash here occasionally though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
No, you said something more - basically called me a liar.

And this is unacceptable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] the92playboy:
I too would like to see a video of your phone performing so horribly bad. I have 2 WP7 products, and they both are very stable and smooth, on par with iphone4 or better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] peacekeeper05:
Looks pretty accurate to me although not on the number of apps part. Good comparison best comparison so far
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Let us keep it clean and respectful guys.
[Windows Phone 7 General] peacekeeper05:
Anyway. Only a very few people wants an xbox live integration. the xbox features does not really make wp7 a superior device, its just another normal app :)

Wp7 still has a long way to go.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
WinMo is ridiculously superior as a business device. WP7 is probably the worst phone you can buy if you do any "work" from your mobile phone. It's that bad. Nothing else on the market is as terrible. There are symbian "feature phones" which are better these days.

WP7 cannot even get on Exchange servers for some users, because it supports literally no Exchange policies (Android and iOS policy support is better, as is WebOS and Symbian).

Furthermore: There are no decent IM clients for WP7, and since Microsoft didn't release a Communicator app for it, it's hard as **** to communicate using this device as a business user. Messenger by Miyowa is complete and utter ****, and I cannot believe Microsoft expects us to use that piece of **** app...

Thirdly, there are so many APIs, that even if you were a skilled developer you're it's impossible to develop apps for some purposes. You can't write this IM client you need, because the APIs are locked down. WhatsApp can't even port their App to WP7 because the Contacts Integration is locked the fvck down (it's okay for them to invade our phone with Facebook stuff, though).

No conversation view in the Email Client, which is hell for people with busy inboxes. No unified Inbox, which is hell for people with multiple email accounts, and clutters up the homescreen/app list...

The Camera still doesn't save settings.

No Sync Capabilities with Microsoft Outlook, etc.

Whatever. There's tons of this **** everywhere. Can't even change the damn default search provider in the browser without hacking the phone, and it's impossible to install a third party HTML5 browser on the phone because those don't exist thanks to how locked down the platform is...

WinMo had tons of rough edges, but to claim that WP7 is superior to WinMo for all but something trivial is just false. Windows Mobile is superior to WP7 in all areas except:

1. User Interface

2. Performance (Can't really say stability, they've been on par IMO)

3. Hardware support

Many of Windows Mobile's issues were not really the fault of the platform. You can't fault WinMo for the OEM putting buggy drivers in the OS, or failing to properly optimize the OS they put on their devices (the same thing happens with Android, btw). DO you think it's a coincidence that Microsoft is writing ALL the drivers for WP7 and disallowing skinning? That was huge issue with WM's instability (and in some cases, poor battery life as well - anyone from WM know that Radio ROM jumping was quite common there...).

But there's nothing indicating they could not have added metro to WinMo and deprecated the old UI controls and obsoleted them at a later time (i.e. with the Mango update).

A lot of you people want to call yourselves power users, when you were nothing more than ROM-juggling amatuers who hardly really use their phone to get anything done. Come back here after you actually use the phone for something more than spamming Facebook or Twitter and tell me how it's supposedly so superior to Windows Mobile.

Looks only get you so far. A dumb blonde may be hot as hell, but she's still dumb.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bplewis24:
Okay, when I saw the first post I admit I thought that the X next to silverlight must have been a mistake. But after reading your post I must assume it's true. Why wouldn't WP7 have silverlight support? Is it coming soon?

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't own a WP7 handset so I haven't followed it as closely as some of you probably have.

Brandon
[Windows Phone 7 General] pasp1001:
the thing with wp7 is that the os- lacks a tremendous amount of features and functions, hell, even pocket-pc'es 10years ago had much more"inside" - and thats the main reason of "being not so much positive"bout wp7... i know in time things will change and the first steps of this os will be forgotten... But- were not there yet-

on the other hand, users and customers should be critically towards MS( wp7 team will understand where they "miscalculated"), +MS and especially mr. Gates (whos still undisputed king) always had a good ear and eye for "miscalculations".. mr. Balmer, on the other hand- im not so sure...

Oh, just one more thing-

When Steve Jobs will announce i5 with a 4' screen and will say -WE PUT THE 4' screen cause USERS DEMANDED(wanted) bigger screen- no1(from the fanboys) will believe him, but all(the fanboys) will cheer him...

That kind of 'etardeness never was a MS-THINGIE nor will it ever be...