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[Epic 4G General] lepapirriky:
Can someone at least try this? Becaue it isn't working for m...thank you.

Sent from Maxwell's shoe.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aham83:
I have read other threads in regards to this but nothing up to date. I wanted to know what is recommended now especially since gingerbread is out. And another question is if I do a nandroid backup in CW can I restore in Ra??
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boliviano3:
Personally I like Amon-Ra better & I believe if you do a backup w/ one recovery you can't restore w/ another one.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aham83:
IN RA what is the USB-ms Toggle.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aimbdd:
It mounts your SD card on a conputer
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lopezpm:
I like Amon RA better. I have never had a problem with it. I'm still running 1.8 with out any issues and I flash a lot.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aham83:
SO i guess the upside to USB-ms toggle that you can mount your sd card while in recovery mode.

Which has better support though CW or RA.. I have read on other posts that RA will not be around much longer. And also that some have dual booted these two together..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iitreatedii:
its all preferance, both do the same thing, and both are not interchangable when it comes to nandroid backups, that should answer everything
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snowboarda42:
Amon is better looking, but clockwork has support from rom manager. Both backup your wimax keys now.

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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonnybrx:
Most people on the forums like Amon Ra more. It is less glitchy than CW and it has never let me down. (Clockwork mod totally messed up my Evo once)

But if you want to be a newb and use Rom Manager instead of flashing in the recovery, you need to use ClockworkMod.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 2k4mach:
I prefer Amon RA
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MultiDev:
I use Amon's because it is compatible with Fresh Evo.

Clockwork has issues with Fresh Evo. Also, being able to mount SD from recovery is very very nice.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drmacinyasha:
I prefer Amon_RA for two reasons:

1) Its layout makes more sense to me.

2) Selective backup. In CMR you backup your /data, /cache, /system, /boot, wimax, and .android_secure folders/partitions every time, no matter what. In Amon_RA, I can tell it to just backup /data, /system, and /boot, cutting down the size of a backup from 30-50%, nevermind the time it takes to backup/restore. Let's face it, you DON'T need to backup your WiMAX every day, backing up cache is pointless (because the ROM/kernel can just rebuild it later), and .android_secure is on the SD card already (if your SD card goes, how are you going to restore your nandroid anyways?).

And a half-reason: Amon_RA still supports amend and edify scripts, so files like FORMAT_ALL.zip work for it, but not CMR.

Having said that, if you're looking for an easier time, and don't mind pruning your SD card more often, ClockworkMod Recovery is your choice, since it integrates completely with ROM Manager. You just select a ROM in ROM Manager, let it download, tell it to wipe and backup, then come back to your phone in a few minutes and you're in a new ROM.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aimbdd:
Eh... i use amon-ra.. but i have had two backups that wouldn't successfully restore (Boot loop). Ended up losing some contacts..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 94tbird:
+1 for amon-ra
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] THEGAMEPLAY94:
Cw has given me nothing but problems
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muppetman462:
I will go out on a limb and say that I use CW, I tried RA, and honestly, I had nothing but problems with it. Looking at a lot of posts, people say that CW never wipes correctly, and I found out on my phone that RA never wiped correctly.

Really it's all a matter of choice though....use what works for you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matt2053:
I just want to point out that you CAN use ROM Manager to flash even if you have Amon_Ra installed.

I have Ra installed and when a new CM7 Nightly come out, I get a notification, I tap it, and ROM Mananger does the rest.

There are other functions in ROM Manager that don't work unless you have Clockwork installed though, for sure. I just wanted to point that out!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adeyo:
Ra 1.8 has been flawless for me so far. I am moving on to try 2.3, but i don't really know if i want the new complications...

@drmacinyasha, if one goes the 2.3 route, after the initial backup of everything, what is the minimum you would recommend one backs up w/ all the options available?? /data, /system & /boot only? (as you posted)...and why?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aham83:
Ok. Would I be able to do a nandroid back up and installing it on another EVO. Could that be done with RA or CW???
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matt2053:
I believe it is technically possible but highly discouraged. Some of the things you back up are unique to your phone. I wouldn't do it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aham83:
Yeah. It can't be done. Tried but failed. The good thing is that it won't mess up your phone. It just fails to install in..
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I am fully aware that the WP7 updates thusfar have been quite terrible but it now seems that there are more people posting here purely for the sake of bashing WP7 than ever. Of course when it is addressed most of them say "I run it on my blahblah and it's nice but I just wish it could be better." Why not mention some of those nice points. The phone may not have a billion different settings to change and all the different options other OSes have but what it does do it does better than any other OS out there and I'll take quality over quantity any day. The only complaint I've had thusfar about WP7 and the only thing I dislike about it is the update system, but I can look past it as after switching to WP7 every other OS just feels lesser. WP7 has some flaws but the majority, aside from multi-tasking, are heavily exaggerated. I know some people want to stream pandora and text and I'm sure that sucks but we all knew that was there when we got the device and Microsoft is addressing the issue. I just want to know, why spend most of your time lounging around a forum for something you so greatly dislike? I mean, I don't visit the android forums and post hate messages there. Are some people just that wanton to hate?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Michael-Dallas:
1. the vocal and critical few on the internet do not represent the numbers out in the real world.

2. it's human nature to stay silent when all is good, but raise hell when it's not.

Michael.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekki:
Like Mike above me said, the trolls are out there to do exactly what you're witnessing on these forums.

And no one attracts more trolls than Microsoft.

Put two and two together and you get this :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Apart from rabid Android fanboys who are very vocal all over the internet and generally are overyelling Apple fanboys by a big margin, this particular forum also has many ex-WM users who are frustrated because WP7 isn't WM7. So you see lots of negativity here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That's me! Ex WM user, and chef.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
well a lot of the people "hating" are WP7 owners, so your argument goes out the window, what do they have to gain by sharing their experience and warning others not to make the same mistake and jump on a beta OS a year out of a real update?

The arguments for and against WP7 are equally valid, take a look at the bugs thread for what problems people have. That's cool that you like your device but some people looking for a new device want multitasking, want to change the UI, want folders, want mounted storage, they want free apps that don't suck, some even want tethering, some want a front facing camera, some want to save camera settings, others might want that stupid camera shutter turned off, some might even want to load their own ringtones (what a concept), others might want to be able to back up their apps and data on a hard-reset, the list never ends.

The reason it seems people are here to rain on your parade is because there are so many posts about "WP7 is so awesome, better than any other OS" and that crazy ass thread about let's all love and worship MS, what the hell was that? Then there's the "I don't care if my phone can't do anything, it's sleek and fast and works as a phone" posts.

I know I seem like a buzz-kill troll, but the truth is I actually LIKE wp7 a lot, it's just you have to admit it's a work-in-progress that is missing so many things that Android and iOS have to offer, I could never in good conscience tell someone to get a WP7 over an iPhone or Android, but that's the way it goes with a brand new OS.

Let's talk in a year or two when the OS has had time to mature and grow, then you will see less threads and posts like this. People aren't as malevolent as you think, the whole "WP7 is the best thing in the history of ever" threads are just laughable and some of us don't mind coming in to point that out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
and then you have the classic "fanboy" guy who just calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a "fanboy" of something, ignoring all the legitimate reasons why an OS might just might be better than WP7.

of course because I hate McDonald's I'm a BK fanboy, and because I like camel more than marlboro, I guess I'm just a camel fanboy who is just hating on the M man.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I couldn't have said it better myself. I actually wouldn't have bothered to say it myself. But since you said, I'll back it up. WP7 owner here, and my posting history is full of positive sayings about WP7. But, since I'm not a fanboy or loyalist and am rational minded, my posting history is also full of negative things about WP7.

I would rather read from a poster who isn't afraid to tell the truth of the matter; who won't cow down to the fanboys or loyalist...who just adore causing all kinds of trouble and having innocent people labeled negative things. In a situation like that, when they expect me to back off, I charge full steam ahead and ram right through all of the bull****. That's my nature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Just to clarify, my point isn't that everyone who criticizes WP7 is an Android fanboy, I never said that. There are a lot of fanboys though, and there's a lot of frustration and even anger among ex-WM users, and this adds a lot of negativity. I myself am an ex-WM user, cooked my own ROMs and even developed a utility for WM once.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I readily admit that it's a work in progress but so is any other OS. I know that some of the things on WP7 are more prominent (aside from android's UI... yeesh) but it's no reason for a lot of people to write it off as a whole. As for the points you said it needed;

multitasking- Coming in Mango, only time I've found it to be a burden was before my zune pass when I streamed slacker.

want to change the UI- I change the colors on mine nearly daily. iPhone is not supposed to have much alteration on it's UI either

want folders- Hubs seems more sensible in my opinion and the apps in the long list are so much easier to find because I can flick my thumb once and catch the app by alphabetical order without it being 4x4.

want mounted storage-Likely not happening and truthfully I don't want it to because that would enable a lot of hacking capability and I personally don't want to see apps easily pirated like they are on android and iphone.

they want free apps that don't suck- I think the free apps on here beat the hell out of free apps on most mobile OSes. iPhones free apps are pretty limited. I guess if you are comparing to android though there's no real point in making people pay for apps because you can get any app you want for free. The only way to go on there is ad supported.

some even want tethering- I never personally got the point in this especially since most cellphone providers now have data caps.

some want a front facing camera- This would be nice, I know Microsoft demoed a video chat app at one convention or another way back in like January.

some want to save camera settings-Eh, I would like it but I see why they went the way they did. If I have my camera set for fluorescent light then I go home and my son decides to walk for the first time I don't want to pull out the camera, adjust the settings, go back, and then take pictures likely missing the moment.

others might want that stupid camera shutter turned off- Never really occurred to me...

some might even want to load their own ringtones (what a concept)-Meh, it appeals to some but in all actuality that kind of stuff just feels sort of juvenile.

others might want to be able to back up their apps and data on a hard-reset- I know, from what I heard this was supposed to come alongside NoDo but I'm not seeing anything thusfar.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Hating BK doesn't make you a McD Fanboy, unless.... you go to a BK, run up and down the aisles calling all those eating Whoppers losers because Whoppers aren't as cool as the Big Mac because the Big Mac's got three buns. Any possible discussion of the relative merits of both burgers and establishments are then typically deflected to another specious argument about how the Ronald is cool and the King is creepy. Why are you even in a BK if you hate them so much? Anytime someone feverishly professes a dislike for one platform/every other platform because it’s not a cool as the one they have, they are Fanboys. Otherwise, why invest so much energy putting BK down. Just eat your Big Mac and move on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
you're right, and no one here is really doing that, just pointing out some missing features and frustrations.

If McD didn't have buns on their burgers and this was a burger forum, I'd point out that you may want some BK because they have buns, that's all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I got the wrong impression then, my post was more towards the boy who cried fanboy all the time. I too am from WM and cooked my own ROMs back in the Diamond days, then HD2, and I can see your point about how this would add some negativity when you come from such a platform as that to the closed off can't-change-**** attitude of WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Human Nature

I go all the way back to MS-Dos and PC-Dos and have been an MS user that entire time. It has been a love/hate relationship at times, well, maybe hate is too strong a word. Frustration might be better. Most people have been with MS at some time in their lives and probably have been frustrated from time to time. This update fiasco falls into the category of "I want this to succeed but, damn, it's the same old MS shooting themselves in the foot and working like hell to make sure this fails". We are just frustrated is all. Their success in keeping us as customers for so long just assures that we have all experienced some sort of frustration.

The sad thing about this whole update fiasco is that someone at MS actually DESIGNED this process, believed it was a good idea, committed it to a contract with carriers, and then signed off on it, to provide users with this wonderful, world class experience. It provides us with another example of the caliber of people who manage these companies. And I like MS!!!!! They just need to get out of their own way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It's not so much an update fiasco as typical Microsoft PR bleeding, IMO. But they've always been miserably bad at it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I came to WP7 via iPhone so I'm much more tolerant with regard to restrictions and such stuff. I've also learned to appreciate the "consumer electronics" grade quality, so pretty much accepted the rigidness as the better of the two options. It's not for everyone and of course not for everyone here, but there certainly is simething in the idea.

Otherwise, it's hard to disagree that it does have a ton of drawbacks and even though I'm very satisfied with my Mozart I never recommend it to friends and family who come to me for smartphone advice.

That's my attitude towards WP7 in a nutshell. Yet I'm really annoyed that it's almost impossible to find a thread here without hate posts in it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yeah, these posts create as much hate as beeing fanboy.

You see, what you write here is that because YOU don't need something thus it's just stupid or pointless.

The problem is modern OS of any kind today supports MANY DIFFERENT preferences. It supports many different needs, whether you're a "geek" or typical "consumer. You don't like custom rings? So don't use them! It's not only about what you like. It's about general audience.

The problem with WP7 - the biggest one - is that it's not versatile at all.

It's designed to be one way. And however you will try again to convince me that WP7 is so customizable, indeed - it's not. The limitations designed here are horrible.

The upcoming update - NoDo - is not going to resolve anything besides c & p.

And the Mango, well - if it would be April I would say "I'm in!".

But it will be December. Or later.

I just realized it's the first smartphone for 6 years I have which I can't take alone for - let's say - 2 weeks without bringing my laptop together. There are so so many things WP7 is refusing to do. And I even have no guarantee of having them ever back.

I am the user of WP7. Use it all the time. I always have one smartphone as a "super agent". I'm used to the fact that a pocket device almost completely replaces PC when needed. WP7 doesn't do that.

I just discovered few days ago that I really don't like it. I loved it for 3 months - smooth, simple, sexy. But it's half empty inside. This system is really really stupid right now. I could spend huge amount of space here naming these lacks which currently are very annoying.

I was using Android for few weeks only. Didn't really like those flashy graphics so I've chosen WP7, a perfect UI and a promise of a super ecosystem.

But now I see clearly - maybe it will happen next year, maybe.

But maybe not. Current Android 2.3 is exactly what WM was supposed to be, sorry to say that. I can stand those layers of colours and shapes, because I will be able to do whatever I want and more. Yes, a step forward from WM. WP7 makes it all dumber.

So I'm not selling my WP7 just yet but I'm getting Android in 2 weeks about.

Will see how how it goes...

As for WP7 I really hoped all this buzz and amazing PROMISE this OS initially gives will be fulfilled soon. Now a huge disappointment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I haven't read the posts before mine but I would say most of the people hating on WP7 are owners who are pissed off about the bugs, lack of updates and lack of communication. I find this fair.
[Windows Phone 7 General] munkeyphyst:
Agreed. If you bought a BK burger that didn't have buns, and you wanted buns

you have a right to complain.

but now you're assuming that I want buns :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
But if you don't want buns, you have a complaint :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Plus One

Happen to agree with you. SD card issues, battery icon flashing (screen won't turn off) and other bugs. Not missing features, but bugs. Taking too long to fix them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Zen

z33dev33l,

If you love your DVP then that is all that matters. Use your phone and enjoy it.

Happiness is found within. Do not worry about what others think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I don't have any icon flashing, screen not turning off, sound disappearing bugs. As a matter of fact, my iPhone 4 had more bugs than my Mozart. There's obviously a great difference in terms of bugginess between devices, and a lot of the ones sold in the US have early OEM software. That in itself is a reason for the update to get delayed, among other things.

As regards WP7 not being WM7, well, if somebody bought it hoping that's what WP7 would become in a few months they made a mistake. But they have only themselves to blame.
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
I am sick of the complainers as well. You would never see Apple users behave this way. MS is one of the best companies in the world. I would hate to see a world dominated by Apple phones. Please how support for MS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
that's the truth...

and to further this

Click me to be reminded of the simple truth
[Windows Phone 7 General] kdj67f:
I too am an owner of a WP7 device, also disappointed in the lack of features and updates but also liking the new platform at the same time. I just keep skipping all the opinion threads and don't let myself get trolled into reading others opinions.

Sure, I am going to buy a nice fully featured Android device to mess with :D but I'm also keeping my Surround and hoping by next year it will be updated to my likings.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
Basically these forums were for hackers and developers, but nope you won't find any here. Too much whining and you won't find any new users here either, too much negativity crying and virtually no help.

Hence, nothing but posts complaining
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You know what are the best places to be for Windows Phone information? The specific devices, apps and development, and the stickied threads in general. It is a warzone everywhere else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ErikWithNoC:
Like others have said, it is perfectly valid to express your disappointment in a product you spent hard earned money on. WP7 may be the sleekest device and does many things well, but you also have to look at the competition and what it does better. There are issues with WP7, but there are issues with every mobile OS/OS in general (some just have more than others). Hopefully by next year WP7 will have advanced to a point that most of the current arguments will be remedied.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I agree. But MS needs to separate the WP7 dept. from all other areas of MS that are infested with CYA mentality. There needs to be one head in charge of the WP7 dept. and unaccountable to anyone else at all at MS. That head needs a business ethic similar to Steve Jobs. He needs to be completely in charge of the WP7 dept. and make all of the hiring/firing decisions. He needs to fill his dept. with qualified, highly motivated people who can quickly learn WP7 in and out and be able to evolve it

Or

Just spend $1 billion on Nokia and hand it all off to them.

The Nokia route will delay our WP7 love up to 1 to 2 years.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Windows Phone 7: Why it's failing

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-phone-7-why-its-failing?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[Windows Phone 7 General] sketchy9:
I wish the mods would create a new forum "I Hate Windows Phone 7" and everyone who is angry enough about a PHONE to spew vile invective can go hang out there. Seriously.

I learned a hard lesson many years ago, and it applies to phones as well as potential spouses: you're stuck with what you have. Don't count on their changing (or being updated), and if you aren't happy now, then move on.

What I don't understand is: AFAIK EVERY retailer of mobile phones, be they carriers selling locked devices or an electronics store selling unlocked devices, has a return policy, usually in the neighborhood of 30 days. If people here really despise their devices so much, RETURN THEM! No one put a gun to your head and made you buy it. And if you bought WP7 and were dissatisfied, and hoped that a update would change your mind, see my hard truth above. Life's a *****, lesson learned, and don't make the same mistake again. And be thankful that you learned that lesson with a phone and not a spouse.

And until people realize that, I look forward to the "I Hate Windows Phone 7" forum.

-R