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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
HD2's here sell for 250+. Actually, there are probably more CL adds asking to buy HD2s than wanting to sell them. The demand is high, because you can put a hacked up version of basically anything on that device, the build quality is better than pretty much all the WP7 launch devices, and the internals are almost the same. It even has the same LCD panel that the T-Mobile HD7 has...

The only thing the HD2 was ever missing, was an OS that could properly use the hardware in it.

And no, WP7 devices do not sell well here. There are lots of people on CL in this area trying to trade them for iPhones, etc.

Most like-new smartphones sell on CL because people get a great deal out of them. They can buy their spouse/child a phone for $300 and save a ton of cash cause they won't need a contract and the phone they just scored a smartphone for $200 less than MSRP.

$300 is a terrible valuation given the phones aren't even a year old and there have been no 2nd gen WP7 devices release. You expect such rapid devaluation for Android phones and Blackberries (due to constant refreshes/exclusives and a machine gun phone release cycle for android manufacturers), but not for iOS and WP7 devices.

They sell that cheap only cause the OS is pretty bad off at the moment. If it had launched with NoDo and Mango these phones would probably be selling for $350+ easily, and a lot less people would be buying them and/or trying to get rid of them... You'd actually see them out in factorable numbers at college campuses, malls, competitions, etc.

From the looks of it even the old crapass blackberries will outsell WP7, and those are disfunctional and pretty much junk in their own rights...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I can't wait to see the new iPhone! If its

4" I just may have to consider it. They say its edge to edge display.

On topic, wait a year and see where WP7 is headed. Right now, its nothing but a feature phone OS, with neutered hardware from great OEMs.

Look at the EVO 3d, LG Optimus 2x, Samsung Galaxy S2, and you'll see they could have done better with WP7 hardware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The hacks on this forum come with several caveats and downsides, and I simply don't have the time to install device drivers and set up basically a development environment on my PC just to flash a phone ROM.

Not to mention the BiAnnualForcedDeathMarch™ you're thrown into to keep those custom ROM's updated, and the fact that 99% of them are overthemed to hell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jmatic:
All I did was root my phone, install clockworkmod recovery using rom manager (an app on the app market)... And install a custom rom.

I've changed rom many times. But now I'm on Bionix 1.3.1 and have been on it for quite a while because it is very very stable. And fast.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jason.hamilton:
I wouldnt recommend switching from android to WP7. I did it and regreted it. Its still in its infancy phase and until Windows decides to make it a priority and put some push behind it, i dont see it competing w/ android, apple, or blackberry. If you really want to try out WP7, flash a wp7 rom onto your android. You get the same feel as a wp7 device but w/ copy and paste, multitasking, custom ring tones, file storage system, bluetooth transfer, removeable storage. Its nice to see in a glance the notifications, but i prefer androids drop down notification bar. I am currently using my blackberry torch instead of my samsung focus. I dont think i can go back to wp7 til they make some changes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I haven't used an android device yet that didn't lag. It's a better version of winmo, ugly stock UI and lags and force closes.

You've pretty much proven my point of why some people prefer wp7.

Considering how much more "versatile" the hd2 is, you would expect it to sell more considering its got the same specs, but here in SA, I can find plenty of hd2's for 200. but not a working hd7 for less than 300. Newer android phones are about the same price (my touch 4g, g2, vibrant 4g).

Heck, I even tried to trade my hd2 plus cash for an hd7 and couldn't find any takers.

which is exactly what a lot of normal people don't want to mess with.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jorijn:
I changed my mind and placed an order this afternoon. I liked the iPhone 3G without multitasking because I didn't need multitasking. I rarely use copy/paste since most apps allow sharing of items from within.

This regards a branded phone from Vodafone, the dutch PDAShop is literally 'handing out' devices for no more than 289 euro, which is 406 dollar. I checked and Microsoft is indeed rolling out their updates to Vodafone, so hopefully I won't need rooting or whatsoever.

Thank you for the many opinions. Time will tell if I made the wrong choice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crubbish:
For sure only time will tell but you are doing the right thing, if you want to try it you should.

As for "many opinions" - you've given your thread a good (perhaps unintentionally provocative) title that immediately attracted all the "radicals" - those who are really happy with wp7 and those that are extremely frustrated. Unfortunately with the pace MS has taken for wp7 updates I'm afraid the latter group is only going to grow.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] i.mac:
I may be willing to lend my Bell Atrix to a dev if it'll help in any way for us Canadian user to catch up with the light MODs and ROMs that the AT&T version already has.

I can't donate, it was a very expensive phone, paid $700 for it.

Let me know and we can discuss.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] XanSama:
I wouldn't worry too much about lending one to a dev; I'm working on some stuff for the Bell version right now as I'm sure others are. Give it another week before you go mailing strangers 700$ devices.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] i.mac:
Well I wouldn't mail it to an unknown dev. But, I still get your point. Best of luck.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zen kun:
thats cool, you can always trust in Da_G Imo

perhaps i guess soon bell atrix will have pseudoRoms
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dasmoover:
Check pm. :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Bedeadu:
Out of curiousity, if you spent $700 on your bell atrix, which is full pop. Why wouldn't you just get an unlocked at&t version? This is what I tend to, this way no waiting, already know it work

For those that bought with contract, this is along the same line as our first Rogers Dream being rooted trims bunch of us pitching in to buy one for haykuro. And it all worked out well, he did his job, 100's of happy canadians. Funniest part was Cyanogen offering to help, asked for the phone. He was newer on the scene and know one had heard of him then. How thing change.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
What kind of an idiot would buy this phone for 700 dollars?

Got mine for 499 plus tax in wave sans fil (quebec)..

Plus, ATT version = failure. Bell version at least doesn't have sideloading issues and all the other junk missing. ATT versions = voice quality issues by the numbers, just look at the Atrix 4G forums from Moto. Bell phones (directly out of a buddy who works at a store) has had zero phones returned or marked as problematic so far.. This is in comparison to the i9000 series from Samsung which came back by the numbers weekly for problems...

so....?

Even if you buy it full price, what the CAD dollar is stronger so its only 10 dollars more in Canada. You buy it in the US.. OK, you want warranty?.. oh.. you are NOT in the US..

In canada, regardless of whether you buy the phone without a contract, if you have the proof of purchase Bell WILL send it for repair.. just a little food for thought.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] mccoy007:
I have a soft brick Bell Atrix, keep reboot due to flash ADEO ROM, if someone (has too be long time XDA developer) need to test it for SBF or other similar purpose. I can lend it. PM me.

James
[Atrix 4G Android Development] toughbax:
Kenneth has asked if anyone with a bell phone is willing to help him test GB on the Bell. You risk bricking the phone though. Maybe you could PM him or something.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] kennethpenn:
If Da_G wants this, then I advise sending it to him and him only. I do not advise sending a phone to anyone else.

Personally, I will be able to create a Bell ROM from the /system and /data dumps I recently received. I don't need the actual device in hand as long as I can get a few alpha testers to try things out.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] i.mac:
The reason I bought it from Bell was because I wasn't sure if I was keeping it. I don't drive so the cost for getting to and back from Buffalo/New York would drive up the cost, not to mention the extra time. Also I sold my iPhone 4 for ~$500.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] i.mac:
Yes, that was my thought, if someone like Da_G, DesignGears or Cyanogen (I always hope he would jump on), I would send it.

Would be happily willing to be an alpha tester.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Bedeadu:
For starters, I AM THE KIND OF IDIOT THAT WOULD BUY THIS PHONE FOR $700 (well just over $600, but that's not the point). Don't know who would sell you it for $500 no plan, they would have lost money in the transaction.

...that aside, I have to say your other comments are fairly idiotic as well. Your friend that works at "a" Bell store hasn't seen any problems with the "Bell Atrix"? First off, Bell released the phone last week, so it's a little early to say they won't have problems. Secondly, Bell and AT&T Atrix use the same hardware, so if one has issues so will the other, yes i realize the software is little difference, but the issue you mention would have to do with firmware, which I can't imagine being very different.

You brought up the Samsung i9000 firmware and them having issues. What exactly was your point with this comment? What does it have to do with the Bell and AT&T Atrix.

Warranty, well there I agree with you...almost. Yes, you buy a US Version, you have to understand that the the warranty is in the US, which I did. Doesn't mean you can't still get your warranty, you just have to send it back to the states, is that really such a big deal? (Please don't respond with a 1 time experience shipping a product back to US for warranty and having issues).

Also, remember my maier tn point is, if you got an AT&T version, unlocked, it would cost the same as the Bell atrix full price...but you have SBF files that work. Bell, well it's possible, but probably much harder to get your hands on it, if at all.

...PS, I haven't had any voice issues on my AT&T Atrix on Rogers.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] W3BSurfer:
I actually got mine for $530CDN no plan. Also I received another offer for a Bell Atrix for $480 no plan also. The most ive seen the Bell Atrix go for here in Canada is $570CDN.

I was 10 steps away from buying the phone for $680cdn at Wireless Wave/Phone Booth that same day I received a txt from some dude willing to sell in Brand New In Box for $530. Checked the contents, turned on the device, compared phone IMEI and Box IMEI..everything ok...It still had the plastic on the screen and still locked to Bell.

It just didnt justfiy to me to purchase it for $680cdn. Also when I realized that ATnT had to rooted to be able to use the functionality that Bell has for free then it was a good choice in my part.

So, thats my story...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] boakun:
i got mine from bell on a new 3yr term for 69.99
[Atrix 4G Android Development] trader37:
Have you or has anyone else made any progress on cooking up a new custom ROM for the Bell Atrox?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] raybond25:
The problem is that there used to be absolutely no way to recover if a bell atrix was soft-bricked by a rom. However, there is now a Telstar sbf that works with the bell atrix and from there the initial bell firmware can be reinstalled using cam recovery if needed.

Long story short- its only a matter of time now before someone throws something together and releases a beta version now that we have something to recover from a worst-case scenario
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dicksteele:
There's always one jerk off in the crowd.....

Signed

Happy ATT Atrix and Samsung Captivate owner, due to the efforts of the devs of XDA.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cheetah2k:
Why dont you flash the Telstra SBF and see what happens. I bet the phone will work good as new :p
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cheetah2k:
Seven2099 isn't a jerk.... He's just stating the bl00dy obvious. LOL
[Atrix 4G Android Development] cheetah2k:
When you admit to this sort of stuff, you should just stop, think about your credibility floating down the toilet, then use the DELETE key and cancel the post....

:D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ChongoDroid:
As soon as you unlock this phone you have voided the warranty. bell has nothing to do with it... You simply visit a motorola service center and they courier it back to you.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] seven2099:
AFAIK its a myth that unlocking your phone voids your warranty when using codes.

Bell offers unlock for ALL their phones for the price of 70 dollars (a rip off, I know)

Just give them a call and see for yourself, and as they will tell you it most definitely does not void your warranty with them.

As for it voiding your warranty its mainly voiding your warranty if you use any other method than legal unlock codes, like with i9000m, of which I've had 4 total, all unlocked using 3rd party tools/exploits (SgsTools back in the day offered 1 click unlock/root)... They ALWAYS took my phone back, no questions asked, and yes I had to return the phone 4 times total due to the corrupt SD issue that it has.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] ChongoDroid:
Well I bought my phone from bell no contract and unlocked it at a bell store for 20... Bricked it... Took it back and they told me warranty was void even before 30 days. Called motorola they sent me to the service center and they flashed it and sent it back via purolator for free.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] CaelanT:
What kind of an idiot would pay $499 + tax for this phone???

I have an AT&T Atrix, and have had zero problems with it, and I paid less than 1/2 what you did!

Just wondered, did it make you feel more intelligent when you flamed someone else for not paying what you did? Hell, we can go to Costco and get this phone for $99 right now!!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] SN4K3B1T3:
Lol at all that payed I got mine through craigslist..traded my old nexus one with a semi ****ed up digitizer and a desire z that I used as a work phone and dropped frequently and had overclocked to 1.8-1.9 ghz all the time which is not healthy for a 800mhz cpu lol I got a fairly good deal
[Atrix 4G Android Development] blunted09:
guys, i gotta be honest...i have been part of 5-6 different forums on xda for previous phones but this one is the rudest one. Every time someone brings something up that might be 50/50 in someone else's books he gets flamed on hard. Relax, take a breath, think about it and then respond.

This guy is just trying to help.

I still wouldnt send it, but i think everyone appreciates it dude.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dicksteele:
It doesn't matter what he paid for it. A generous offer gets him punched in the face.
[Galaxy 3 General] Shinku37:
Hey.

When I tried to get to Recovery I turn on "Forced upload by KEY PRESSING".

How I can turn this off?

Help! :/

(sorry for my bad english).
[Galaxy 3 General] divzzen:
When you press vol up + power + home, you go to forced upload . For recovery press vol up + vol down + power + home
[Galaxy 3 General] ronhoover88:
By takin off your battery

Sent from my GT-I5801 Lestatious 1.4.5.1 on the way to Acid 2.0
[LG Optimus 2x] magfal:
If there are any things you want improved in the software call the support now

My complaints:

Bluetooth does not work with third party software and is unreliable in general.

This has been fixed on other phones with the same broadcom bt chip via custom firmware.

USB host needs software but the hardware is capable.

(same usb controller as motorola xoom)

F-Secure's annoying sound every time it finishes a scan without finding viruses.

(LG is the customer not us so they have to force them)

End your call with asking the case to be elevated.

I've called them with little luck but if we all do they have to fix it.
[LG Optimus 2x] KernelCrap:
1. Would be nice if they would give you the option to "repair" your phone in LG update software. Sony Ericsson's Update software allows you to reflash your phone with the newest firmware, even if its already present on the phone.

2. I would also like support for the mkv container, would save me some time remuxing some videos. And while we are at it, recording in FullHD should be 1920x1080, not 1920x1088.

3. The thing I would like the most would be a pure Android OS, without all the LG stuff (Facebook for LG etc.), F-Secure and such. This way I would be able to choose the applications that should be installed on my phone.

My few "complaints", other than that, best phone I have ever had :)
[LG Optimus 2x] magfal:
Then call the support number on their website. The message they gave me is that they are wayting for feedback before they release a patch
[LG Optimus 2x] MeX_DK:
According to what I have heard the Android OS that is running on the LG is as "close" to Vanilla Android you will get with an custom UI. So apparently LG is not too deeply rooted in the OS as say HTC are.
[LG Optimus 2x] magfal:
The public reasoning for the close to stock approach is because they want the hard core of the android development community to program for the device another example is the unlocked bootloader and easy rooting. Sure you loose your warranty but its easy to do.
[LG Optimus 2x] fen_nyc:
Great thread, magfal. I hope users here use their voices & inform LG of all the bugs they've encountered. I'm glad LG wants ownership opinion, & now it's up to us to push for change.
[LG Optimus 2x] djmcnz:
It's totally true. There's no framework integration except for:

Music bar in shade

Font engine

Toggle buttons in shade

Graphics

It's completely unlike Sense or Blur, you can simply remove the bits you don't want and replace them with stock Android stuff (except the actual framework).

There no extra system process or services running as a result of LG framework mods on the O2x - it's a "raw" as it can get whilst still being an "LG Phone".

The only things that are tightly integrated are the Music controls and font management and you can hardly blame them for that, they're better than stock Android. My problem is that the music controls only work with the LG Music app so they're useless to me (PlayerPro). Modding this is what resulted in my temp brick... :)
[LG Optimus 2x] magfal:
Lets keep on track here but the issue i see as the most important in your post is the ability to use the player controls with third party music players. Call lg and tell them what you think they should improve
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] jp1samuraix:
Hi Guys,

I need some help. My MyTouch 3g 32B is stuck on the green mytouch boot screen when I turn on the phone right after I tried flashing a custom rom. I tried wiping and reflashing as well as starting over from scratch with the original Cupcake build and updating it to the Froyo 2.2.1 OTA. I want to continue installing custom roms. Please help!

Notes:

SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G

HBOOT- 1.33.0013(SAPP30000)

CPLD-10

RADIO-2.22.27.08

Oct 21 2009, 22:33:27

on Froyo 2.2.1 OTA

(I was not able to stay on 1.5 or 1.6 OTA after downgrading because of Google Activation issues)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DonJuan692006:
You need to flash a 2708 kernel after flashing the ROM.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] johnson8cyl:
Re root it
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DonJuan692006:
He does't need to re-root, he just needs a different kernel then what comes with CM 6.1 (which is what he's trying to flash).
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] johnson8cyl:
Didn't he un root and then update to 2.2 ota like in his post. I assume he didn't mean ezterry's 2.2 ota. I could be wrong. Then again he wouldn't have problems with continuing to flash roms.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] mumilover:
Listen to what the man (DonJuan692006 ) tells you!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] RUMyBruncle:
Donjuan is right. Flash a 2708 kernel. I'm running 2.2.1 as well and needed the new kernel to stop the boot loop
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DonJuan692006:
Actually you are correct sir. He will need to re-root and re-install the custom recovery if he did in fact go back to pure stock, re-flash CM 6.1, and then flash a new kernel.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] johnson8cyl:
Don't take my word for it. That's just how the post came off to me. Lol
[HTC Cavalier] aboemad:
my device new ..... and i need to unlock the sim card also to convert it to arabic
[HTC Inspire 4G] Roland_D:
I found the gif of the HTC and the droid online and i edited "brilliant" turning in "rooted"...

The result is... quietly cool... :D

---------------WORKING DEVICES------------------

HTC Inspire 4G

HTC Desire HD (duh!)

HTC Evo

HTC HD2

HTC Thunderbolt

HTC Hero

HTC Wildfire

Tmobile G2

(if it works on your non-listed device please post it)

----------------INSTALLATION---------------------

If you use the Stock ROM rename it ATT_bootanimation.zip and copy it in the folder system/customize/resource/

If you use a custom ROM copy it in the folder data/local

If you use CyanogenMod7 ROM copy it in the folder system/media

----------------------------------------------------

VERSION 2.2 uploaded... Hope you guys like it!

Lighter and faster (still testing it... post comments please :) )

-------------------PREVIEW---------------------

-------------------DOWLOAD---------------------

DOWNLOAD LATEST VERSION
[HTC Inspire 4G] milleirish:
Nice job on that one.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ronnie498:
I agree keep up the good work
[HTC Inspire 4G] I Am Stuck:
I'm really really sorry for being a nooby and I hate being "that" guy whose always asking "How do I go about installing that?" but.....how do I go about installing that? Flash in CWM recovery?
[HTC Inspire 4G] constantschange:
Hehe, we were all there at one point, no worries man! I'm still learning :)

Download the zip file, rename it "bootanimation.zip" and move it to your data\local folder (overwriting the exisiting one).

I believe it's a little different if you're on a stock rooted ROM tho.

Hope this helps :)
[HTC Inspire 4G] I Am Stuck:
Thanks very much! Ya I'm using a stock rom so I'm going to have to move that elsewhere. I believe it was under system/customize/resource. I'm going to have to download this bad boy and find out! :D
[HTC Inspire 4G] Roland_D:
We are all noobs in something or something else... ;)

If you have the stock rom rename it ATT_bootanimation.zip and copy it in the folder system/customize/resource/

use ROOT EXPLORER and when you are in the folder above just push the Mount R/W button before you paste it...

And you should be all set...:D
[HTC Inspire 4G] Vandelay007:
Will this work on an evo?

.........at 8 am today someone poisons the coffee....do not drink the coffee. More instructions will follow.

Cordially,

Future Dwight
[HTC Inspire 4G] Roland_D:
I guess... which is the resolution for the EVO??? :confused:
[HTC Inspire 4G] Vandelay007:
800x480

.........at 8 am today someone poisons the coffee....do not drink the coffee. More instructions will follow.

Cordially,

Future Dwight
[HTC Inspire 4G] Roland_D:
800x480 means that the larger side is the base??

(sorry i don't know how the EVO works...)

If the res is 480x800 (shorter side as base) than it'll work just fine..
[HTC Inspire 4G] echoone:
Very nice. Clean and subtle.
[HTC Inspire 4G] TaterTot85:
I am running android revolution rom, can i not just install zip from sd in recovery and do it?
[HTC Inspire 4G] KaLiBLeeK:
Is there any way to modify this bootanimation so that the "quietly rooted" screen stays on until the lockscreen/OS show? On CM7, I get a black screen almost immediately after the "quietly rooted" text shows up, and then a few seconds later the lockscreen appears. I've started using the Android Scribble bootanimation for the time being, but I really prefer this one. Thanks in advance!
[HTC Inspire 4G] TaterTot85:
Im loving this boot animation. Thanks