yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
A few of you questions answered by these quotes - "The similarities between the GeForce GPU architecture and its more powerful desktop and console counterparts will also enable developers to easily develop games that are capable of running across multiple platforms. Developers can employ the same rendering techniques for all platforms and then add appropriate graphics detail and complexity for each specific platform."

"Companies such as Trendy Entertainment are developing multi-player, cross-platform games by leveraging the commonality between the NVIDIA GeForce GPUs in PCs, Sony Playstation 3, and NVIDIA Tegra 2 based mobile devices.

Benchmark results on popular mobile games such as Need for Speed: Shift, Epic Citadel, Raging Thunder, and Galaxy on Fire show that these games run twenty to fifty percent faster on the NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor than on the fastest available tiling-based mobile GPU processors. These games currently do not employ many advanced graphics features, and the performance advantages of NVIDIA Tegra 2 will further increase when advanced graphics features are implemented in such mobile games."

T&L is still done at the hardware level by the way at the Primitive level before Vetrex shading.

As for the dev kits if you have never heard of that and had to google it :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G General] AJerman:
Here's the thing about the Tegra 2. We first started hearing about Tegra 2 over a year ago. When it was first announced, it sounded like it was going to be amazing. It sounded like it'd set a new standard for everything on phones. Then it got delayed over and over and over again, and is just now coming out. Now it's too late. Now those amazing sounding specs are run of the mill. The unfortunate news for nvidia is that the Tegra 2 has a lot of trouble holding up against potential competitors now that it's finally being released. The hype that surrounded it was killed by the delays.

And here's another thing. Understand that nearly all the benchmarks run aren't optimized for half the hardware that hasn't been released yet. I don't even think a lot of them are optimized for Tegra 2. You'll have to give it a couple more months for the new OMAP and Exynos SoCs to come out and benchmarks to be updated before you can get a true comparison, but from the sound of it, Tegra 2 will be at the bottom of the list. A very respectable bottom, but the bottom none the less.
[Atrix 4G General] mrvirginia:
just in case anyone finds this thread, here's a bench of the G2x vs SGS2

http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-s-ii-vs-qualcomm-mdp-vs-g2x-dual-core-battle-of-quadrant-benchmark-doom-20110510/

so yes, i believe Tegra 2 is gonna be at the bottom but possibly above Adreno 220

TI OMAP4

Exynos

Tegra 2

Adreno 220 in second or 3rd gen Qualcomm SoC's

is what i'm willing to bet
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
HTC sensation is getting pathetic benchmarks.

I'll do you some quick math. Atrix Quadrant 2600-3000. avg. 2800

That's on 2.2, add latest 2.3 and you have at least 3000+ avg.

Now you adjust for the resolution and you have a 4000 quadrant stock stock.

Thanks for playing.
[Atrix 4G General] knigitz:
Considering they are comparing phones with a 1Ghz dual core, a 1.2Ghz dual core and a 1.5Ghz dual core, I'm not surprised there are big differences.

Also take into account the version of Android being run on these devices, e.g. the Motorola Droid X benchmarks went up almost twice as much after a 2.3 update, imagine what the Atrix will be like after it's 2.3 update.

How long do you expect Tegra2 to be the best for? Innovation means that companies release better and better equipment, you're not going to find a phone that is #1 for more than just a few months.
[Atrix 4G General] blunted09:
i like the fact that nvidia is behind the tegra. That to me is the biggest plus.
[Atrix 4G General] DOOOLY:
Me to thats why i bought the atrix is cause of Nvidia i am a true fan boi ! :p
[Atrix 4G General] Blizzard22:
I bought it too because of Nvidia!
[Atrix 4G General] vinay427:
But the scores would probably be much closer if the G2x used was overclocked to 1.2GHz like the SGS2. Also, do they all have Gingerbread?
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
You do realise that the SGS2 runs STOCK at 1.2 GHz right?

PS The SGS2 averages 3.8 on Quadrant, a good 1000 higher than the Atrix.

PPS The rumor about Gingerbread bringing dual core support to Android is patently false. Froyo's (2.2) kernel is able to see two processors. Straight from the Froyo kernel:

<5>[ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32.9 (sp9pm_9@sp9pm2pl3) (gcc version 4.4.0 (GCC) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 16 20:58:43 KST 2011

where it can be seen that froyo's kernel is indeed capable of utilizing two or more cores (SMP - Symmetric Multi-Processor Support; everything is there, you just need to read through it).
[Atrix 4G General] lunzi88:
Not necessary true, sammy originally designed the phone to ship with a 1ghz processor.

Froyo is indeed capable of using more than 1 processor, however it doesn't utilise the 2nd core properly.
[Atrix 4G General] blunted09:
actually i believe the s2 got bumped up to 1.2 from 1.0 ghz. I cant see it running much faster (if at all faster) than this phone with a 1.2 overclock and gingerbread. From my understanding the gpu is pretty powerfull on this phone as well.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Show me anywhere that says that gingerbread utilizes more than 1 core better than froyo. That rumored 2.4 android release for "dual core" support? Everyone misinterpreted that rumor. It has been released as 2.3.3 and optimized code for running DUAL core designed apps on SINGLE core phones, not the other way around like so many of you believe. Dual core support is already implemented at the OS level in 2.2+. Dual core API for writing apps won't show up until 3.x+ is released on smartphones. So anyone thinking the atrix will magically shoot up in benchmarks when it finally gets gingerbread is fooling themselves. All gingerbread will bring is a slightly more optimized OS, good for maybe 200 Quandrant points. That still only brings it up to 3000 at best. Considering stock SGS2 hits 3500+ easy, the SGS2 is by far the more powerful phone.

Now you're just comparing apples to oranges. If you're going to overclock the Atrix to 1.2, then the SGS should be overclocked as well. It has been shown to hit 1.5GHz. It makes no sense to compare 2 phones if you overclock one phone and leave the other stock. Plus, it's much easier to overclock the SGS2 anyways due to the unlocked bootloader. Gingerbread will give the Atrix 1-200 more quadrant points at best. Before the 200 MHz speed bump the SGS2 got before release, it edged the Tegra 2 in Sunspider and got edged in BrowserMark. This is all with beta hardware and drivers and before the speed bump.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/1

The Atrix and its cousin, the G2X, gets absolutely destroyed by Qualcomm's GPU. There's no good detailed benchmarks of the SGS2 GPU yet. Even its Quadrant GPU score gets hindered due to the SGS2 being FPS locked to 60fps max. Otherwise, a stock SGS2 would easily be over 4000 on quadrant as it hits the FPS cap on all the GPU tests.
[Atrix 4G General] Sir_Brizz:
The only multi core support in Froyo is the custom kernel build with SMP enabled that Motorola did. So ANY multi core improvement in Gingerbread (of which there are many in a variety of different "core" apps) is huge.
[Atrix 4G General] ChongoDroid:
Can we all agree that future updates will really be something to behold!
[Atrix 4G General] xredjokerx:
Bottom line:

You can find an atrix for ~400.

You can find an SGS II for ~800.

Is the price difference really worth the "performance upgrade" people claim?

And don't tell me that it will be out in July, the atrix has been out for 3 months.

Can't even compare.
[Atrix 4G General] lunzi88:
agreed. now if only moto will get their butts cracking.....
[Atrix 4G General] Sir_Brizz:
Moto is getting lapped by phones released after the Atrix. The Xperia Arc/Play already had Gingerbread updates out.
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
3000 at best? lol I can get 3000 on a good run right now

All you fanboys forget one thing, Only reason SGS2 scores high is its lower resolution and some benchmark tricks by samsung.

3500 is nothing impressive, NOTHING. Its like 2700 if you had 30% more pixels.

Modded tegra 2's already beat modded sgs2, Look at smartbench.

Maybe if you overclock to 1.8ghz you'll keep up with 1.4ghz

Oh yeah, SGS2 lost in sunspider and browser mark too in the tests I saw.

I get around ~3000ms and ~60000 stock, you can't say you get much better.

G2x gets destroyed by qualcomm??? LOL LOL LOL

Go see what HTC sensation is doing...its embarrassing to post that old article. Its like me posting where exynos 1.0ghz gets smoked by Tegra 2's.

Did you notice in that article Qualcomm @1.5ghz only got a 2850 quadrant and this is a test unit to show off. pathetic. lol
[Atrix 4G General] Acei:
Guys, let me make this one crystal clear - Gingerbread does NOT utilize the second core any better than Froyo. In fact, normal flavor of both Gingerbread and Froyo can't access the second core. When Android is built, the vendor needs to compile it with 'SMP' flag turned on. Once this is done, then both Froyo and Gingerbread are FULLY capable of utilizing both cores. Android is based on Linux, and Linux has been successfully supporting multiple cores for ages.

Most apps already feature more than one threads (typically a GUI thread + background thread), so dual-core processors will help to some degree even as is for a single app. Smartbench 2011 was designed to split the load equally within the app across multiple threads so that each core is doing the same amount of work. (Hence I'm claiming it is multi-core friendly).

Here's an article that describes SMP in more depth: http://bit.ly/jHw7Ga
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
HTC sensation sucks in benchmarks but beats SGS2 in linpack mflops.

What's that say??

Someone needs to come up with some better benchmarks which account for resolution differences and can't be so manipulated as quadrant.
[Atrix 4G General] rex-tc:
Ofcourse they are cheating on these benchmarks.

1. They saw they were getting slammed in early benchmark test so they overclocked their 1ghz cpu to 1.2ghz last minute.

2. They are running a lower resolution screen.

3. Running at 16-bit color also!!! This also makes a HUGE difference in benchmark numbers. If you don't believe me go run some futuremark benchmarks first with lower resoltion and then with lower color depth. Which also is why they can run 1080p video in browser (even though technically it is just rendering low res color).
[Atrix 4G General] corneliusm:
Here's the simple explanation:

The Scorpion core (the Qualcomm ARM core within the Snapdragon SoC- very similar architecturally to the in-order Cortex-A8) actually has powerful VFP and NEON additions, while other SoCs like Tegra2 lack these. So it really excels at vectorized floating point calculations. Hell, my Nexus One Linpack scores trump my Atrix, while every other benchmark gets the N1's ass handed to it. Still, the Nexus One still surprises me and will always hold a special place on my desk.

IMO Linpack is a worthless benchmark for indicating common use performance- most people don't use their phones to do scientific calculations or vector FP operations outside of the GPU anyway. The Cortex-A9's integer performance will easily outperform any Cortex-A8-based SoC (incl the Hummingbird and Snapdragon). This I believe is mostly due to the addition of OoO execution.
[Atrix 4G General] bcam117:
Emm why don't people mention that in benchmarks, such as quadrant or smartbench the s2 is limited by vsync? Some tegra devices have a much higher fps limit (85 possibly?) when the s2 can only reach 60.

If s2 owners could run benchmarks WITHOUT the fps cap, then we would start to see some more fair benchmarks.
[Atrix 4G General] Acei:
I made sure this wouldn't happen (hitting 60fps) in case of Smartbench 2011. Although not officially reported, Tegra 2 doesn't get much faster than 30fps on Smartbench 2011. It was intentionally tuned this way.
[Atrix 4G General] bcam117:
Thanks for the reply. And may I ask, why does the s2 score lower than for example the 2x in gaming when more or less every other benchmark (related to 3d) states otherwise?
[Atrix 4G General] Acei:
I really can't answer that. When I implemented the graphics portion of the tests, I picked OpenGL functions I would use to code 3D animations. Perhaps the functions I chose don't run as efficiently on Mali as it does on Tegra 2. Either way, I plan to get the S2 as well as the Sensation soon. (I already have G2X which is a Tegra 2 phone). Hopefully I can learn more from them. :D
[Atrix 4G General] cheetah2k:
IMO the SGSII rocks, but I hate the 4.3" size. It's just way too big.

Useability wise (UI speed) I'd use my SGSII over my Atrix any day of the week.
[Atrix 4G General] mrvirginia:
you guys are right, the scores would be much different if the handsets were clocked at same speeds, running same Android OS or same resolutions (regarding qHD ones), but they're not.

what you need to think about is we are comparing handsets and how they are currently. who knows if Tegra 2 will come stock at 1.2Ghz. you gotta look at how a device is out of box with very very minimal tweaking.

so, with that being said, the Exynos chipset is currently the fastest. you can all say well what about this and what about that, but the fact remains that Exynos is on top.

nVidia wanted to be first to market with a dual-core SoC and this is what happens when you're first. cheers :)
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
Agreed. You can keep on waiting for something better to come out, but you'll never get anything if you're to scared that something new will come out that's better. You gotta pick sometime, and there will always be something better coming out after you finally get something.

The good news is that our contract runs out in a couple years, and then you'll get something 10x more beastly then the Atrix. But then that'l get outdated too, and the cycle goes on and on until you die.
[Atrix 4G General] JayQ330:
tegra 2 version of galaxy s is called the galaxy R!

hey just wanted to tell you that there was a preproduction model of the galaxy R aka tegra 2 galaxy 2 & this phone smoked...no destroyed! the galaxys 2 with the exynos soc...the only part that it lost in was the linpack benchmark where it scored only 10 mflops less than the exynos. but i can guarantee that a simple 200mgz overclock to the tegra 2 to make it an even clock speed as the exynos 1.2 mgz would more than even the linpack score! all in all the tegra 2 is more superior than the exynos because it can keep up with less & lower resources.a good example is the GS2 vs the Droid X2, the droid x2 only has a 1ghz dual core, 512mb of ram, a qHD screen (more pixels it has to render per second) & its running on adroid 2.2 froyo! & with all the odds against it, it scored a higher GPU score than the GS2! & as the galaxy R only 10 mflops less in the cpu processing benchmark which though 10 mflops can be fixed with evening the core clock speeds, being left alone 10mflops less you still wouldnt notice. anyway besides having an enviroment that is common for games will make better games & of course more resource friendly. kind of how apple is able to use the old sgx530 & use every drop of graphic capabilities out of it so will it be for the tegra enviroment.
[Atrix 4G General] JayQ330:
the problem with those scores...

the thing with all these scores with the galaxy 2 & even tegra 2 scores is that alot of those scores belong to overclocked & modded versions. not the stock default original out of the box scores. which is why i usually go to youtube & watch the unboxing of the reviewed phone & then the benchmarking of the phones. what i see alot is the droid x2 with half the ram of galaxy s2's 1 gig of ram & 1.2 ghz dual core processor get beaten graphically by the tegra 2's 1ghz dual core processor & at that with android 2.2 & 512mb of ram vs the specs that the galaxy 2 has it should be leaving the droid x2 in the dust! but thats not the case. the droid x2 is only 10mflops slower in all benchmarks ive seen in youtube & is always about 300 points or more higher in antutu's gpu score,even in quadrants scoring the 3d & 2d winner is the droid x2 again with 512mb ram! cmon just imagine 1 gig of ram and android 2.3.3!
[Atrix 4G General] nexgenasian:
You hit the nail on the head, tegra2 is still the beast of beasts. OC'd my iconia to 1.5, lowered resolution to 800x480 (thanks to honeycomb 3.2) and ran quadrant. score of 3995. Yah, so I tweaked to get it, but the point is, can any other device do that? Incidentally, no OCing and standard rez, i'm getting 2600 on my iconia.

(scored 1350 ms on sunspider too at 1.5 ghz, $#@$@$# this is sweet)
[Atrix 4G General] Magnetox:
ATRIX has 4800 quadrant on cm7 with 1.3 ghz oc :)
[Atrix 4G General] Phoneguy589:
That's the only chances that android devices have are devs who can optimize the software to be device specific. That's why I hope At&t/T-Mobile keep the Atrix for a longer time allowing more companies to make device specific accessories for it...like slideout keyboard cases and other cool stuff.
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
tegra2 its only slower than exynos, and if both run 1.3ghz, they give the same score in all benchmarks from market, try to check and youll see im telling the truth
[Atrix 4G General] belig1234:
That's true... Motorola atrix 1.3 ghz.... CM7 beta 3...
[Atrix 4G General] darkamikaze:
alright why resurrect an old thread
[Atrix 4G General] ronii1123:
The way I see it is it's software, if we had Stock Vanilla Android we would probably score pretty nicely, but we have a bunch of stuff that Motorola uses sadly
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
the blame of atrix look slower its because of the blur bloat that makes I/O unresponsive or slower to process information.

anyway, i think that all this threads about this should be closed

all info about this has already been posted, for more info, search and read, stop asking the same thing in diferent places
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Pentium ftw.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Rikusaki:
I see we are comparing devices that are operating at completely different clock speeds. Well, if you want to play that way...

Smartbench 2011:

Atrix NVIDIA Tegra2@1.3Ghz

Productivity: 3576

Gaming: 2955

SGS2

Productivity: 3861

Gaming: 2244

Quadrant:

Atrix NVIDIA Tegra2@1.3Ghz

3,200-3,700

SGS2

3,000-3,600

And we're comparing different form factors as well? What the hell?
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
1.3 ghz? I was getting 3100-3300 at 1.0 ghz after a couple runs.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Deggy:
Would we rather have him create a new thread on a previously discussed topic? /trollface
[Atrix 4G General] parsa5:
The dual core gpu in the A5 is pretty beastly. I know the Tegra's Gpu isn't nearly as powerful but not horrible by any means. I'm happy with the performance of my atrix, especially at 1.3 ghz, and that's really all that matters to me. Just my opinion.
[Atrix 4G General] Sass86:
my quadrant scores have exceed 5000 on my cm7 tegra 2 powered atrix :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] weztcoazt:
how do i go about flashin a spash screen...i found one that caught my eye n i dont kno how to do it since i never really did it before
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dkdude36:
look in my signature. i made a tutorial exactly for situations like this: newest bootloader and no idea how to work it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] weztcoazt:
thanks alot...i got my splash screen on my evo :)
[Captivate General] jamezz23:
Okay I have had my captivate for a few weeks and I'm just getting into the customizing part now. I downloaded the adw launcher ex from the marketplace earlier and it's pretty cool but it has me wondering what else I can do. I've herd people using different roms, the only problem is that I don't know where to find any of them at, or how to get it on my phone. Do I have to use so computer or can I download it directly from my phone? Also where is the best place to get them from. Basically looking for a 101 on roms. Thanks for the help.
[Captivate General] sofia-captivate:
Lol so much to explain. Pm me ill help you
[Captivate General] sofia-captivate:
Or everything u need to know is here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=877652
[Captivate General] Miami_Son:
Reading and doing some searches will lead you to the answers you seek. Start by checking out the stickies at the top of this, the Q&A and Development subforums. It isn't rocket science, but you should be familiar with the procedures and the possible consequences before you jump into flashing ROMs.
[Captivate General] zelendel:
Yes for the love of all that is pure please do some research before you attempt anything. Read, Read, and read some more to make sure you have it down or we will see another "Oh No I have a brick and cant fix it" thread.

It is not that hard as long as you read the threads first. To many watch a video and do as it says without knowing what they are doing and that leads to a bricked device.
[Captivate General] modest_mandroid:
You should start out by killing a man with your bare hands and seeing if you enjoy the thrill. If not, then maybe rom flashing will be a little too intense for you. Best to stay away until you're ready.

Either that or you can just peruse the stickies and dev section for a while.. either option is good.
[Captivate General] mswirski:
Once your rooted and have clockwork mod installed on your phone, roms are easy!

You just head on over to the dev section of the forums, pick a rom, and put the zip on your phone's storage. Then you boot into recovery mode, and use clockwork to flash the zip. Voilia your done.

It's just getting things setup before hand that is the important part, once you get that all done, you can flash until your hearts content.
[Captivate General] recumbentrider:
The Captivate is my first smart phone.So I did my research before flashing. I have tried several roms currently on Apex 5.1. Everything you need to know is on XDA.

Just research and read all of a thread not just parts.
[Captivate General] bigsmitty64:
MobileTechVideos on youtube has amazing tutorials on how to do just about everything. His first three vids are a walkthrough in flashing. He is known as connexion2005 here on the forums.
[Captivate General] JJ133169:
my fav Rom ive used so far is the ULTIMATE ROM.

I'm using a 5xx version and they are on 8, but i love my V 5 so much I dont see a reason to leave it any time soon.
[Captivate General] ippon:
my vote is for firefly.

it offers over-the-air updates, which is kinda awesome.
[Captivate General] axis01:
My vote is for massive amounts of RESEARCH. That and the mobiletech videos.
[Captivate General] mtx187:
I am using pheonix ultimate and it works great! Jq1 modem and latest suckerpunch work great for me. Beware....flashing is very addicting!!! Try what u like best, after the first flash the rest are downhill from there.
[Captivate General] sofia-captivate:
Hi everyone is it normal to flash rom everyday or two? Does it affect battery life?
[Captivate General] tupirujp:
No wonder my battery its **** up
[Captivate General] tupirujp:
U learn fast Sofia it was just like 3 weeks when u were asking about flashing now u do it daily jajaja
[Captivate General] Caliesv:
Lol!
[Captivate General] Fallon:
Define normal...

No, 99% of Captivate owners will never flash anything custom.however a sizeable chunk of XDA flashes several times a month.A minority flash nearly daily.

Shouldn't do any more harm to your battery than normal use.
[Captivate General] dizx:
You will think it affects it insofar as you don't give the new ROM a chance to settle down with a few charge cycles to really evaluate the battery life.
[Captivate General] sofia-captivate:
Ya so far tested

Andromeda, firefly, di11s, juiced, phoenix, serendipity and now testing precision :) what else is good on battery? Lol
[Captivate General] sofia-captivate:
Hmm I'm gonna try that
[Captivate General] tupirujp:
U need to try the rom from speed and looks
[Captivate General] seanzscreams:
darky awesome batteryyy