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[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
Rooting only happens after you've updated (: So don't get confused. Cause rooting differ's per firmware version
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] joey0711:
I have spoken to 1 of the technician of Samsung Service Center, he told me that there is no FW for UAE, and based on my readings that I9003JVKB1 (Stock ROM of my phone)

was build from/for Turkey. what version of stock ROM can i use for my phone, Just want to refresh/reflash because I am having problem with my wifi, the signal shows I am connected but when Im tryin to download something it says that i am not connected to the internet...

I am calling the attention of all the Masters of flashing! Lord of Androids I know you are just there... please help me to understand everything...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] avengery:
I9003JPKD1 im using this one in UAE and its perfect no problems
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] fooman123:
I upgraded my phone, from Dubai, from JPKB1 to the European firmware XXKB3 with no problems and lots of improvements. The JPKB1 came without market, a gps that would almost never get a fix and other issues.

XXKB3 has worked great for me -

Battery life appeared to be better.

GPS now gets a fix in seconds.

Market works great.

I have no issues with WIFI (though I didn't have any with JPKB1 either)

As a test to fix your WIFI you might change your wireless router from bgn mixed to to bg mixed.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] avengery:
its supporting arabic ?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] avengery:
I9003XXKP9 waiting to support arabic :(
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] joey0711:
Thanks dude for giving me hope of doing this, I will try it now... (I keep my fingers crossed not to brick my phone..)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] joey0711:
YES!!!!!!!!! I did it!!!!! works like a charm!! THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP DUDE...

specially KKRRAAZZYY!!! you're the MEN!!!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] falex007:
Samsung Mobile Russia confirmed that the GB for SGSL will be in a nearest weeks. May be we don't need to wait September ;)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
Gives me hope. That and i assumed Cyanogen waited for Galaxy SL to get Gingerbread stable version first before working on it. After all, Most Cyanogen's are GB o.o
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] dba.rknair@gmail.com:
Any idea on official release of GB for Indian Customers??
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ronhoover88:
Mid-july source samsung_india twitter :-P;-)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] isnayper:
hi i just purchased galaxy s yesterday. There's nothing wrong on my phone i just want to update it to the latest firmware. I have the same PDA number etc. with you. Can you tell me what's the improvement in 2.3??

Paturo na rin po sana paano po mag update, kung merong malaking magandang pagbabago sa pag update sa 2.3.

Thanks!!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mitoVonDido:
any recent news about gb rom..already passed 2nd week of july..maybe we should wait until september
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] isnayper:
can somebody teach me the steps how to flash my sgs from 2.1 to 2.3.

please help.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] kkrraazzyy:
Sgs or sgsl
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] koolbugs:
isnayper - if you want to update your phone and make new pagbabago, try upgrading it to XXKB3 rom, this one super stable, fast, battery conserve and has stable themes. It will give your phone fashionable kung baga. The GB rom is still in dev stage, you will encounter bugs and instability meaning not for stable use. but if you really want to try, just follow kkrraazzyy guide on first page.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jcbalunsat:
Please use english all the time. We are going to get in trouble for this.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] isnayper:
OOPPS sorry its sgs i9003..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] isnayper:
ok bro thanks for the info. if something goes wrong is there a way to return to original 2.2?

PDA: I9003JPKB1

PHONE: 19003JXKA4

CSC: I9003OJPKA6

Build info : Fri Feb 4 11:37:17 KST 2011

My phone is running great, problem is only battery draining fast.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] isnayper:
ok running nosebleed here.. lols will not happen again.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] entammo:
root xxkp9?

can we root XXKP9 ?

how can we open "Lib Test Mode" in XXKP9 as i used "*#*#3214789650#*#*" this code in XXKB3? is there any code in XXKP9 ?

thanks in advance...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
I wouldn't mess with secret codes if i were you. We already had a few with balls to try it and come back bricked. Also in the dev i think it's disabled. Not entirely sure.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Randy06:
Bricked

Hello people,

I'm From Panama, and I have an I9003, Just about two days ago I install on my phone the Gingerbread rom, and the OS worked fine, the only problem Was the Band the signal was going in and out and I was only able to receive EDGE, I tried also the *#2263# and follow the instructions to try to get 3G but unfortunately that was unsuccessful, here in panama we use GSM 850 so I decided to roll back to froyo, I tried Install the roms that are posted here on this Thread but I had the same problem with the band... I Flash in and every one of the roms are posted here... literally.... but all of them give the same probleme with the band. so I start searching you know doing some research and all that, and I Find that actually a need a latinamerican rom for the i9003 that the Europeans, asians, or arabics will no by matches for my band here... but I was unable to find that rom... so I started to search which were the phones that were working here in latinamerica and I found out that the I9000T was a phone that worked here in latinamerica, I found a thread that have a rom for this phone, so in my desperation I Flash My I9003 with a I9000T rom. at the end the phone died... not even turn on.

so Anyone with any suggestions???

I know that i did wrong... but you try and you learn my friends...

thanks in advance
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] falex007:
Now you can do only 1 — bring your phone to service center. Only they can repair it. You reflashed the boot with wrong version.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Randy06:
Well I guess I have to find a service center here in panama... I hope they can fix this... Right now i Have a $500 brick...

thanks
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
A 500 dollar brick indeed.. Just make sure when you bring it to the service center for repair act as if you didn't know what happened :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Bigbi:
You should try this : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=15330252

Don't know if it works with i9003...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] SuckMe:
When a new rom version ?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] entammo:
If u search for secret codes u will find all for froyo or anyother..

How can we root gingerbread....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] podanimesh:
now when u go to the serice center dont tell what u did.

say phone turned off while playing games...

alternate try..

some one has unbricked samsng galaxy ace i think u can give it a try too...

her's d link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1071970

HOPE IT HELPS

DONT FORGET TO CLICK THANKS BUTTON!!!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Randy06:
Well I Install it but its not responding...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Randy06:
The thing is that is not even turning on... you know that some times when you brick your phone it gives you a Black screen but the phone is turn on... but in this case the phone is not even turning on...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
That's a full brick dude..bring it to the service center and act like you didn't know what happened..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
any body online.. im running now xxkb3 firmware and i want to put it back on

ddkb2 because this is the firmware running when i bought the phone..

my question is IF i Flash it again the ddkb2 firmware, is the samsung warranty will be back in my system? want to know it because i have a problem with my loudspeaker. when i play music for just a minute the sound were lost and all apps are mute.. but if i put my headphones it has a sound..

thanks hope there is a reply soon.. want to fix my problem..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
you can flash back with no problem..i did the same thing to get my warranty, but they didn't check the firmware version because my problem is hardware not software..all in all I can say that my firmware that time was restored back they way it was when I bought the phone..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
how about my IMEI? it wont back?

:(
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] entammo:
rooted

finally rooted xxkp9 with SuperOneClickv1.9.5-ShortFuse

successfully....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
sir our default firmware is dxkb2 ryt? im from philippines.. :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
Yes, we have the same firmware :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
after flashing the stock firmware your phone will be like when you bought it..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
i really hope so.. coz i try ddkb2 my IMEI lost.. :)

and it is really 1 tar file to be flashed? thank you very much sir!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
Yes it is really 1 tar file which you should put in PDA.. Try our stock firmware and your IMEI will be returned.. :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
sir i try it now.. but my phone stock in samsung logo.. :(
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
Did you install lag fix? Don't check repartition if you only have one file.. try going to recovery mode and clear the cache partition and data in recovery mode then flash again..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
no im just flashing it to dxkb2.. :(

no samsung galaxy sl in the starting boot

:(
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
waaaa... i think i bricke it.. waaaaaaaa
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ronhoover88:
How many files do you get when you download dxkb2?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
only 1 sir.. :(
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
What I mean is did you instal lag fix when your phone was still working.. did you wipe the cache and data before flashing? Don't check repartition because dxkb2 only has one file..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ronhoover88:
Now just flash XXKB3 using krazy's guide that is flash the .pit file first by checking re-partition...and then the three files and then come and reply to this post if you are able to boot your phone
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
yes i factory reset it.. and dont use lag fix..

never check the partition
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ronhoover88:
The problem could be you flashed dxkb2 single file in boot instead of pda
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
Try reflashing it.. Did your phone start up? I wasn't having this problem and I flashed my phone more than 20 times already..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
Right, and did you extract the downloaded file?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
i will try again it later.. my phone is now on the xxkb3 again.. will try to flashed it again later in dxkb2.. thanks to all.. i hope your online later!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ronhoover88:
Since you are on xxkb3 already..if the next firmware you flash has a single file just flash it in pda...do not check re partition
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
I'm always online.. Hehehe.. Hoe you'll succeed in your next flashing:)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
thanks sir.. im now at dxkb3.. but dont have my imei back

+worst thing.. my phone dont recognize any simcard.. :(

hope someone could helped me by this.. :(
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jaskiratsingh:
oops...if u have backup of efs folder then u can get imei back else its service centre as they can only write imei number
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
i think i dont have a back up of that.. :(

do you know sir what do i do now coz it cannot read any simcard anymore.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jaskiratsingh:
Yes..GO to service center and tell them you were playing games on your phone, it hanged, you pulled the battery and restarted it. The network doesnt appear.

Make sure you hard reset and have stock ROM (that came originally with phone)

Service center will rewrite the IMEI number and if you are lucky like me you might have a motherboard with 14GB internal memory :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] bkhichar:
wifi not working

after updating to I9003XXKP9 my wifi is not working well...it slows down automatcly after some time & so i hv to restart wifi again & again

:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mjbri0613:
+1000 apporve!!

hahaha.. your alliby works! :)

because of angrybirs my galaxy bricked.. wahaha..

but i will met my samsung again after a week or 2.. :(

but its ok.. as long as i can use their warranty to fix it..

hope it has an galaxy S2 board after the operation.. hahaha :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] micmaccc:
just asking,

is there any way we can extract csc part from stock rom... :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] debbagchi:
I need FROYO firmware for my Galaxy sl i9003. Which firmware version suits in India? KIndly help.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] nitinvaid:
i am also from india and using I9003XXKB3
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] divyesh43:
using xxkp9... nd m just sick of it... lags like hell.. + many many bugs.. arghhh....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] falex007:
did you read FAQ and feedback for this fw? there are some tricks that fixes many problems
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] rohit_rocks:
An update by SamFirmware for gingerbread, First they will launch update for Windows Phone(WP), than BADA, Than Android aka I9003 I9000 I9100.

Hopefully it will get release in MID August..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] divyesh43:
@falex... hey please provide some links of it..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
That hotcake better come out before my bday >_> Or i will throw a tantrum of a thousand camel rages.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] falex007:
FAQ

Feedback
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
Actually falex, He has a point, The constant use of the phone causes it to lag pretty hard. I tested out by not restarting the phone for 2-3 days, And the drain became faster and everytime I checked the task manager, It shows 413 MB in use, When I clear cache, It returns to 320, After a few minutes, 30mins to be precise , It clocks back to 420MB, It's insane. When i rebooted it, It stuck to 170MB in which the phone was lightning fast. :confused:.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] falex007:
Strange. Try to clear your dalvik cache. Also I can't confirm this problem, because when I was on XXKP9 I often rebooted the device. The biggest period without rebooting was 2 days... OK let's wait for next leaked fw...
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jamsori:
I have the same RAM problem with Froyo.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
@falex, Yeah even with the dalvik cleaned with Skin's CWM, The phone still builds up RON cache

If you feel it lags jamsori, Use Skin's CWM in the advanced option and clear dalvik, Exactly as the post above me. by falex said.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] jamsori:
Yeah, that's what i was planning to do soon. Just saying it isn't just a Gingerbread thing. :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] divyesh43:
hey.... can we have wifi_direct feature in.our phone like s2 ?.. its amazing .... wifi-wifi file transfer..

and wat is latest version of swype ?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] egyptoss:
MY PHONE IS CHINESE

FROYO.135

i9003ZVKE1

IS THAT INTERSTING ?

I WANT TO FLASH IT WITH XXKB3

YOU MAY REPLY ME BACK TO TEACH ME HOW TO PACK IT UP FOR YOU BEFORE I FLASH THE NEW ROM
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] vishaltm:
Hi i am new to XDA and android

Hi ,

I had downloaded I9003DXKE1(asia) and while extracting is prompting for a password. can anyone help me with the password please
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] souravbasak7:
my i9003 details..

PDA : I9003DDKB2

PHONE : I9003DDKA5

CSC : I9003ODDKA6

Build Info : Thu Feb 10 20:19:07 KST 2011

so which ROM should i update my I9003 to.. and do i need

to ROOT my device.. and what will happen if just in case i brick my phone.. how to set it as default in that case?? plz help me out.. i have no experience at all... to deal wid firmwares, ROOting or with ROMs.. plz help me out
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] vishal24387:
xxkb3...most stable.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Jagzk:
Guys, samfirmware tweeted couple of mins ago, "New FW for i9003 by end this week" :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] anigr88:
Yea just nw saw it....

Wow at last....
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] rdr_m:
guys can sumone link the tweet plz.i hope by firmware they mean gb and not another version of froyo.and is it gonna be an official release over kies or a firmware frm samfrmware.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] longfeng:
Finally...

Sent from my I9003
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ryouza:
It's a beautiful news.... Ginger will be ready or not we'll see in a week...

Inviato dal mio GT-I9003 usando Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
SamFirmware SamFirmware

New I9003 FW by end this week.

4 hours ago

There you go.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] podanimesh:
yes its so good misledzz hope its stable and official..
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] kkrraazzyy:
nice to hear that
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
I know right? :D I hope it's not a DEV release. Only way to tell is by looking for dev tools in the App drawer. I was pretty down when i heard it was going to be released on August, But now hope x 1000 :D
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] joey0711:
Whoot! hooot! Can't wait to flash my phone again! Thanks for the info... :D
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
If im correct its XXKG2 , 2.3.4 GB
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ggclanlord:
Whr'd u get tat frm?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] avengery:
look at this
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ronhoover88:
If the talk is about XXKG2 it was released for the galaxy s2...the i9003 galaxy sl will get something in the XXKP? series!!!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ryouza:
until it's out, no one can say it's name, except samfirmware's insider, and i thik it will be another intermediate rom in the way of the stable, that samsung says it will be released over kies in september. (at least in italy)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Misledz:
They tweeted it was a general release for all GB based. There wasn't any phone specifics ;)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] mzaidi4852:
helo i want ask. i want download rom for galaxy sl i9003.after finish downloads no file we neet to flas rom.only rom xxkb3,xxkp7 and xxkp9.why another rom after downloads not have file we neet flash the phone.like dxkb2.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] avengery:
you dont know when exactly they will release it ?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] fa000wi:
tnxxxxxxxxx
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] xenoyosh:
Samfirmware just tweeted!!

"We got a new gingerbread and bada files in house. #i9003 #s8500 #s8530"
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ronhoover88:
Then new gingerbread firmware's coming very soon!!!:)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] dhruvwali:
New firmware out in kies!!!!!!

India :

firmware number :- PDA:KF1/PHONE:KC1/CSC:KA6(INU)

upgrading now... will tell if its gingerbread!!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
You guys are lucky.. Just hope it's gingerbread.. :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] dhruvwali:
yeah! hoping like hell!

this is the first time samsung has released something in india first!:):):):):)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ephraim:
Any news yet? Can't wait :)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] sgsI9003:
XXKB3 is a European fw hence kies will not update as it finds a mismatch in your fw & handset, but once we have a new fw you can update it via odin.You can use kies hack to make it believe that it can update your handset

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=959806

Kies is a stupid software...just dump it I only use it for backing up.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Miyagi:
¿whick one is the version of lagfix that works?

Thx
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] prodigy_techus:
One click lag fix version 2.3.0 by RyanZA

It has both V1+ & V2 versions - use ONLY V1+ for i9003, V2 will again brick.

Am downloading the ZZTKC1 firmware tonight, probably will flash with it tomorrow. Btw, buy Titanium Backup Pro (not the free version). To backup all apps & data - it is truly worth the money.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] kkrraazzyy:
@ miyagi

lagfix v1 will work
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] sgsI9003:
What actually does lagfix do, some kind of setting changes?

Why does i9003 lag, i have now updated to xxkb3 cant notice any lay nor was the earlier version lagging any way unless I open up too many apps.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] kkrraazzyy:
Lagfix fixes speed issues while opening apps, opening the market and other to speed up those I/O issues
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] prodigy_techus:
Right, V1, but using a standalone V1 bricked my i9003 in the first place. Then I searched for OCLF in the market, downloaded it, it had both options for V1+ & v2, I used V1+ (not V1) & it did the job.

One more thing, it will install EXT2 tools, let it install, but before all that, try backup your playlogos1 file (boot animation). If you forget, to do that then the EXT2 tools loading module removes the playlogos1 file & you won't be able to apply lagfix v1+.

In that case, OCLF has the file for I9000, don't use that. Just exit OCLF, reboot the phone to load the I9003 playlogos file again, open OCLF & there you go, the V1+ lagfix button will be enabled (green), touch it. The default space required will be set to 834, it did not work for me, I changed it to 940 & then the lagfix V1+ got applied successfully.

Now my phone is quite faster at opening stuff. The scrolling is not iPhone smooth yet, but that is the UI's fault, SPB Shell 3D is super smooth, not others.

Quadrant score is 1702, from the earlier 800 something I used to get.

If you brick, no problem, XXKB3 is giving me crazy battery life, 3% battery in 11 hrs idle, I never got that. Use ODIN, put the phone in download mode, load both PDA & CSC files. The base language is Russian or something, change to English.

But first save everything via Titanium Backup Pro.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] sgsI9003:
any idea how does it speeds up? Thats what I want to know, does it keep the apps in memory thus consuming more ram but will launch faster?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] sgsI9003:
I just updated to xxkb3 last night & Yes even I was surprised this morning to see xxkb3 using very less battery on ideal mode,in 8 hrs it consumed only 1% battery.

Could not believe my eyes hence confirmed from other settings & used some apps to drain the battery purposely.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] prodigy_techus:
1% is absolutely fantastic, which launcher were you using?....I was using Regina 3D.

But once you start working, the battery drains as usual - which is not a problem, it is the drainage while in idle mode that is irritating.

Also, has anyone overclocked their I9003?.....I want to, any special kernels needed or is Antutu overclock or CPU master widget enough ?......what is the bare minimum speed & max speed that can be used ?
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] sgsI9003:
tw launcher(stock) will be installing launcher pro today.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] prodigy_techus:
I found launcher pro to have too much lag & quite heavy on resources without much advantage. ADW seemed better to me, but it was Go Launcher Ex that really seems to take the cake.

SPB Shell 3D is a 3D graphics launcher, very cool, very smooth & all, but very expensive at $15. Regina 3D is a cool 3D launcher that is free as well. And Regina has very fine adjustments for placing icons & a small swipe changes the screen, don't have to swipe all across the screen to change the window.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] kkrraazzyy:
As we know the overclock module is not yet present for our phone we cant overclock our phone but i have tried underclocking our phone by using No frills cpu control application and it worked fine
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] prodigy_techus:
I had checked out No frills Cpu control, but it does not allow the underclocking of the min. freq, right?......I couldn't choose less than 300Mhz for the min. Only the Max can be changed, which is not useful at all.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] rex4u:
300 Mhz is already the system default minimum. Frequency range is 300, 600, 800 and 1ghz. Without a custom kernel with support for lower and higher frequency we can't achieve much. Btw, our CPU is capable of some heavy overclocking like even 1.6 ghz ;)
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] ybyb:
Launcher Pro though great with its widgets n all is a memory hog and lags and was causing the freeze and restarting issue on my i9003.

I've moved on to ADW and it is really good and no more obove mentioned issues *Touch wood*.

Didn't try Go launcher...maybe will give it a shot sometime round