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[Atrix 4G General] Mafisometal:
LTE has currently a download peak of 326.4 Mbps (40.8 Mbps real time-speed) also counting that LTE is using a 1.4-20 MHz frequency range. LTE would have higher speed capabilities if it wasn't being hogged by the air interference, then it would possibly run at 71 Mbps real-time speed

HSPA+ is still in development and running at a download peak of 672Mbps (84 Mbps real-time speed) also counting that HPSA+ is only using a 5 MHz frequency range.

These aren't the exact fact of what AT&T or Verizon has but it is the capability, LTE has been live since 2004 globaly while HSPA+ has only been up since 2009. LTE is becoming old while HSPA WILL be the future. Just because LTE is currently faster doesn't mean it will be for long. When HSPA+ goes fully live with AT&T you may see a quicker speed, There are networks around the world that put HSPA+ up currently at 42 Mbps real-time
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
What if the Thunderbolt wouldn't have LTE until next year?

It would be laughed to the curb. The only reason people still by atrixs is because we've become accustomed to AT&T being a bunch of greedy cheapskates.
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
At&T says you "might see speeds up to approximately 6mbps [at best]"

http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947

(the link isn't broken, just click on it, and wait about 5 secs.
[Atrix 4G General] jange:
The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.

Our 4G is <80Mbit/s :)

http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
[Atrix 4G General] Mafisometal:
also i forgot to say, AT&T will be using HSPA+ as an addon because LTE will soon be introduced to them sometime at the end of this year....so yeah utilizing more antennas meaning more speeds... =)
[Atrix 4G General] begadkepat:
Yeah, I don't think people are as upset about not getting 4G speeds as they are upset about very often not even getting 3G speeds. The upload speeds on this phone are atrocious, and quite often the download speeds are as well.

But, hey, thanks for your post containing information we all already know.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
It's funny that you titled this "quick fact" when you haven't stated any facts whatsoever. You sound like an AT&T press statement. Plus, you can't compare the Atrix, or the Inspire for that matter, to the iPhone. Whereas the iPhone had sold over a million in the first 3 months of it's release, I doubt the Atrix and Inspire will reach 100,000 in that same time frame combined. This was deceptive marketing, plain and simple. AT&T covers their butt with small print and they more than likely trained the employees to avoid discussion on actual H+ rollout. There's a reason the story made it to Engadget and other tech sites when it was found that data speeds were capped on these phones, it's because AT&T didn't want anyone to know.
[Atrix 4G General] drock212:
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.

PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
[Atrix 4G General] Magic_Bunny:
The thing is that theres more than 200million wireless users in America and have to share the OTA data bandwidth. In Sweden theres a lot less people therefore everyone gets faster speeds.
[Atrix 4G General] bsinc1962:
For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
[Atrix 4G General] neotekz:
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
[Atrix 4G General] Jim_R:
Not to me, an ATT rep would know that ATT claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time admitting that backhaul is far from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Regardless if he's a rep or not, for the most part a forum like XDA was created as an act of defiance to the restrictions that carriers and manufactures have imposed on their products. So, why would anyone want to come in here and defend AT&T, or any carrier/manufacturer? It automatically makes you sound like a "plant".

I'm not trying to negate what you are saying, I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that out there.
[Atrix 4G General] link12245:
Where can you go 200mph legally(or over 70 even in the US)? That's what I don't get. I understand high speed internet for home computers, you download and stream stuff all day. But on a cellphone, 3-4mbps is plenty fast.

'But I pay for 4g speeds!'​

No you don't. You pay the same as any 3g device, with the same exact service. Get over yourself.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
What are you getting out of defending AT&T? If you can't acknowledge that there was some level of misleading and deception in the marketing than you must be brainwashed. AT&T ranted and raved back in November that they had the "largest 4G network" when they said that 80% of their network had been upgraded to H+. So where is the truth in that?

http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=6914

http://www.phonearena.com/news/AT-T-now-has-80-HSPA-coverage_id14745
[Atrix 4G General] ozzmosis316:
I called AT&T yesterday to address that I was receiving unusable service in the daytime at work and after 6pm the service is excellent. I was told that there are 8 9 towers in a 10 mile radius, but most of them are severely degraded. I was advised the only thing I can do is call when it is currently happening and open a ticket so that they may possibly get fixed "a little quicker." I then asked about the towers by my house and was told there were two and again one is severely degraded.

To me this seems unacceptable to have a 4g capable phone that cant even get edge speeds when during peak hours.
[Atrix 4G General] hotleadsingerguy:
Actually it could very well be possible to patch it for LTE in the future. There's no 100% on it, but it's possible.
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
Haha seriously...
[Atrix 4G General] eallan:
Hahahaha
[Atrix 4G General] ozzmosis316:
Maybe. When I told the tech support person its been this way for at least 5 years. He didn't even mention future upgrades. Just seems unusual and unfair that I could choose two random places on long island particularly in suffolk county and both have severely degraded towers.

I'm sure this must be an issue all over suffolk county because I constantly experience issues with data. one minute it will work great and the next it wont load a web page at all. it has been this way for as long as i can remember and I've had AT&T for 5 years.
[Atrix 4G General] Techcruncher:
I think the lesson learned is just buy an iphone next time..

Only verizon treats android like it deserves. AT&T is the Iphone-or-gtfo-network.
[Atrix 4G General] ozzmosis316:
Out here on long island I don't think the iphone would even make a difference considering it seems there seems to be many severely degraded towers that at&t hasn't repaired in years. From what my friends report other carriers aren't much better out here. Wireless service is very spotty on Long Island in general for some reason. and with at&t it seems voice works most of the time but data often doesn't work at all or is so slow that it becomes unusable, particularly during peak hours
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
att 4g vs lte. I got same att 4g speeds on my 3g tilt 2...

http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/comparisons/htc-inspire-4g-vs-htc-thunderbolt-speed-test/

Or hspa vs hspa:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/mobile-devices/4g-showdown-att-vs-t-mobile-video/
[Atrix 4G General] neotekz:
So you wouldnt be pissed if you bought a Ferrari and it had a governor limiting speed to 70mph even if there is no place to go faster? knowing that you bought the best only to find out you can never use it.

Seems to be a lot you dont get...just because you don't stream and download from your phone doesnt mean others do not. Some people have unlimited or large data plans that would like to tether, stream and download and 3mbs doesnt cut it. 3mbs is not 4G, not even the fake 4Ge ATT is advertising. If AT&T is advertising 4G then thats what people are paying for...seriously why would you defend AT&T?
[Atrix 4G General] ozzmosis316:
On a really good day I get about 1.6 Mbps download and 1.5 Mbps upload. On a typical weekday afternoon i get .40-.60 Mbps download and .20-.40 Mbps upload speeds here on Long Island.
[Atrix 4G General] haloimplant:
The Atrix doesn't even have HSPA+, just HSDPA. Oops.

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
[Atrix 4G General] fernandezhjr:
I will admit, I don't pay for 4G speeds, but my bill says I do. LOL
[Atrix 4G General] Mafisometal:
Thr atrix and inspire will work when full lte 4G gets rolled out...and I know for a fact that they both will fully run the speeds, I've seen the tech demos and it will run, its just a matter of time when they get activated.
[Atrix 4G General] haloimplant:
Not a chance dude. MDM6200 chipset doesn't have LTE period.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2

http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...ls-new-roadmap-gobi-connectivity-technologies
[Atrix 4G General] colin725:
I had to tell the AT&T store reps that they didn't have 4g, so I wouldn't expect them to tell anyone.

I'm not complaining though, phone is everything I bought it for.
[Atrix 4G General] aloudermilk:
You pay the same as any 3g device

And yet I have a 4G device and get LESS speed?
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
This proves you have no idea what you are talking about. The Inspire and Atrix are NOT LTE compatible. You have been drinking the kool-aid too long.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mepis:
Welp, here's the background info. I work with AT&T next to a corporate store. I have an rooted Inspire 4g. With my Inspire I'm actually on the media net plan and not the PDA data plan.

So anyway I was bugging a work friend a joking around with him about switching me over to unlimited data (smartphone plan) so I could get off of the medianet plan. I got curious and asked him about the whole 4g provisioning thing that was an argument in another thread. We pulled up a customers account and he showed me, you do in fact need it provisioned to access hspa+. But that's not thing fun part of the story. It's been debated numerous times.

I asked him if we even got HSPA+ where I live. It turns out that we do. I just never noticed it because of the data plan I'm provisioned for. So my curiosity got the best of me. We walked over to the display Inspire and verified it was connected to HSPA+. He had already installed speedtest.net on the phone to try it out. We ran it. And I was shocked. The phone was measuring 1.5 down. We already know the HSUPA shebackle. But really? Only 1.5 down?

In utter disbelief I pull out my phone. He knows what plan I'm on and knows it's rooted. I do have the stock radio on though, and non of the build.prop tweaks that have been mentioned. Standing right next to the Demo, on HSDPA, my phone pulls down 3.5 a second.

Now he's shocked. I'm running straight off HSDPA and the demo is connected at HSPA+. We double check that the phones are testing against the same servers on speedtest. We run multiple tests. And consistently my phone pulls a higher data rate then the demo on HSPA+. To make sure we're not going insane we double check everything again between the two phones.

It turns out an engineer was at the corp. store that day. He pulls out his iPhone 4 and shows us something more interesting. His phone, testing against the same speedtest server, always pulls down around 5.

He informs us that iPhones get preferred treatment over the network. This is nothing new or unsuspected. But HSPA+ connectivity is severely throttled. This is deliberately down by AT&T because the network isnt able to handle the workload yet. There also isn't any time frame when the throttling will be lifted.

This just blew my mind. I expected it to be backed down some with it being a new network that's not completely developed, but this much is astounding to me.

I would be interested to hear from others in HSPA+ enabled areas to run multiple speedtest test with HSPA on and off and see what happens.

Or do I sound completely insane and don't know what I'm talking about?
[HTC Inspire 4G] dacket84:
I would rather AT&T throttle the HSPA+ speeds until the network is ready than to deal with what happened to Sprint's network when the EVO 4g first launched. I heard the entire network went down for maybe up to an hour due to all the bandwidth being eaten up in certain areas.

Maybe AT&T is trying to avoid this from happening?
[HTC Inspire 4G] netnerd:
funny, that is NOT what we are paying for! we are paying for 4G service, we expected to have 4G speeds! (we paying for 4G phone, FAKE!) and we paying for HSPA+/4G data plan, FAKE!).

If i pay for cable internet, i expect to have cable internet speeds!, not 56k dialup speeds!

someone please complain to FCC for me!
[HTC Inspire 4G] djeaton:
When my son gets home with the iPhone 4 tomorrow, I'm going to do some side-to-side comparisons as well....probably followed up with a call to ATT. I was told the Inspire would be faster then the iPhone 4 because it was 4G and not 3G. If that isn't the case, I think some monthly credits should be in store until they turn the 4G speeds on.
[HTC Inspire 4G] dacket84:
I'm paying the same price now for data as I was with my blackberry pearl on EDGE, same when I had my iPhone 3g on 3g. Also same price I'm paying now when I used my Captivate. AT&T openly admits that its 4g service isn't throughout their coverage 100% yet and say that they are working on expanding their 4g service.

Nowhere on my bill does it say I'm paying $30 for 4g service specifically.

edit: I forgot they had specific 4g data plans. Yeah that does suck for those who have to pay for that.
[HTC Inspire 4G] djeaton:
I agree. But when the salesman says it will be faster and your phone has the check box next to H+ and you are getting less than 3G speeds, that is on them. If they are not giving you H+ speeds, and you are even getting less than 3G, they should show Edge instead. Anything less is false advertising.
[HTC Inspire 4G] dacket84:
I agree with that as well. I think AT&T should limit the H+ data plans to areas where it is confirmed to avoid these problems with customer satisfaction. They have a coverage map and enough techs out there. I'm sure they could at least tell their store associates to not recommend the H+ data packages to people in areas that aren't getting the speeds.

But instead I'm sure they would rather let people buy something they can't use blindly so they can get more profit. :rolleyes:
[HTC Inspire 4G] harlenm:
The price is the same if you have a 4g plan or a 3G plan.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mepis:
Signing up for different plans doesn't matter. At the end of the day its the same cost. The 4g provisioning is only to access hspa+. Its the same cost whether you live in Ohio with 3g or Philly with hspa+. If your gonna get the inspire you might as well have them provision the hspa+ so when it is.available you can access it.

My issue is the throttling on the hspa connection. As I mention, I'm on a medianet plan which doesn't cover hspa. I'm NOT on a pdanet plan. All this was discovered because I was thinking about ditching my $10 a month unlimited data and signing up for the tiered 2gb hspa plan. I wanted to know the speed difference. And then I found out everything I wrote above.

Obviously I'm sticking with my 3g until things change.

Like I said, I would be interested in seeing thorough tests done around the rest of the country to and see if this holds true. In the lower Susquehanna valley in pa the hspa network is.being throttled.
[HTC Inspire 4G] shogunmark:
come on guys, really... ANOTHER thread like this???

Its plain and simple, you are paying for data package, thats it! you are not paying for speeds! This isn't like cable, or DSL where you are paying for speed tier.

You can complain all you want, but they have not advertised a speed that you would be getting, they may have advertised what 4G is capable of, but have made no claims as to what you will be getting.
[HTC Inspire 4G] djeaton:
I'm not just paying for a data package. If all they did was have a data package with no speed reference, that would be one thing. But I'm paying for a 4G data package. "4G" either means something or it doesn't. If they don't really mean 4G speed, they shouldn't call the data package "HSPA+/4G". When the salesman says you will get better performance with 4G over 3G, and then they very publicly say that they are not throttling back the speeds, that means something. Or it should anyway. Whether we should expect to be lied to or expect false advertising from them is an entirely different matter.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Anthonok:
I'd love to get faster than 2mb down but I'm not gonna complain. I knew exactly what I was getting myself into when I got the phone. I knew it wouldn't be 4G and so did each and every one of the people posting in the inspire forums. Regardless of at&t excuses and BS.
[HTC Inspire 4G] shogunmark:
OH, well then my mistake... i would like to complain that i have a 4G data package but not getting the "4G speeds" while on edge.. :rolleyes:
[HTC Inspire 4G] mepis:
Obviously no one is expecting to get HSPA+ speeds while connected on a HSDPA, UMTS, or edge network. Again, the issue is speeds only while connected to HSPA+ networks. I understand not everyone in the country even has access to this yet. And those that do, service is spotty at best.

But I do think when you are in a full coverage area, and compare side by side speeds, and you are getting double the download speeds consistently on HSDPA then HSPA+, then that's an issue.
[HTC Inspire 4G] djeaton:
Actually, that isn't quite accurate. I didn't know about XDA or the speed deception until after the purchase. I knew that some folks had complained about AT&T throttling it back, but also read that they denied it. So I just figured that it was a case of some unique individuals in poor reception areas.
[HTC Inspire 4G] shogunmark:
honestly, i think all really depends on the radio. I wish i would have taken pictures before i sold my dell streak, but i was getting consistent speeds of 6 down x 3 up on the stock O2 2.2 rom here in the St. Louis area. Now with the inspire, i have yet to see anything over 2.5 down x 1.8 up. I was using the same media net apn on the dell streak. So unless the caps have changed in the past months, then i am blaming the radio in the inspire.. but i dont care, the speeds are sufficient for my needs.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RogerPodacter:
There's a really good reason why you out performed the stock inspire. Your build.prop is edited to use Hsdpa and hsupa setting hsxpa=3, but stock inspire has hsxpa=1 which only let's it use 3.6Mbps Hsdpa with 384kbps up. Setting hsxpa=3 let's you connect to hsupa and the 7.2Mbps network speeds.
[HTC Inspire 4G] djeaton:
Is there a way to set hsxpa=30 for broadband speeds? :) Short of that, can I set hsxpa=3 without rooting the Inspire? I'm not opposed to rooting, but it is more complex than I can handle right now.
[HTC Inspire 4G] gunnyman:
You can't edit build prop without rooting first. I think if you get temp root it would revert any changes back to stock.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RogerPodacter:
Yeah you can only edit if you root.
[HTC Inspire 4G] bigtoysrock:
I am rooted and running CM7 rc2.

How do you check or change it?
[HTC Inspire 4G] mepis:
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I may be. But what I'm reading and understanding is that the hsxpa setting in the build.prop allows the phone to connect to UMTS, HSDPA, and HSPA+. Setting the value to 3 allows the phone to connect to hspa+ networks. It's the other setting, the one you change from 10 to 14, that actually allows the phone to connect to more channels (or pipelines? I wasn't to sure how that part worked) to obtain faster speeds.

This is what I understood from reading a link posted in another thread in regards to those settings.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Androidude:
If you have root explorer(an app on the market), open it and navigate to system, then click "Mount R/W" at the top of the screen. Find "build.prop" and long-press on it then select "open in text editor" in the pop-up menu. Check the Inspire development threads for what settings to change in the file; there should be a post about editing build.prop. When you're done editing, hit menu>save changes. Root explorer will automatically back up the original file as build.prop.bak
[HTC Inspire 4G] 0space_monkey0:
i know this phone isnt 4g. (h+ is not 4g) but damn do i love this phone.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Androidude:
How is it not 4g? No carrier has what would qualify as true 4g as per the technical definition. 4g has become a colloquial term for networks faster than 3g.
[HTC Inspire 4G] King Shady:
Actually all of the Networks have real 4G even though T-Mobile and AT&T have crap 4G. I read an article about it on Engadget.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Androidude:
Engadget is hardly an unbiased tech news outlet. Do you have any links to what you read?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20028622-266.html

Technical definition of 4g is 100mbps. No carrier is anywhere close to that.
[HTC Inspire 4G] 0space_monkey0:
Exactly. I don't know how they can get away with using a 4g moniker when in the books its the said above.

But so far Verizon has LTE. Its the new standard (look at at&t and sprint follow suit)
[HTC Inspire 4G] kirbo20:
HSPA+ = 3G, notice at&t always says 4G Speeds not 4G network. As of right now 4G is all a marketing gimmick and at&t has admitted to that in some trainings they have had. It is designed to confuse the public as well as some employees evidently. No carrier has "real" 4G right now, as you saw in a post earlier 4G has to have theoretical speeds of 100 Mbps.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mepis:
"4g" no longer means 100mbs. Sprint and T-Mobile complained enough (to the European union? The one that sets international standards) and they agreed to relax it down to ~30mbs. Verizon and att helped with that too. They did this because non of the networks will be able to hand it a 100 mbs connection for a long time. The effectively made hspa+ be considered a 4g network legal in full maturity.
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
The ITU -

Source

3G - UMTS, 3.5G - HSDPA, "4G" - HSPA+

I think the key here is going to be whether or not there is actually a substantial improvement (bolded part). If there's not, then ATT is indeed using the 4G term incorrectly
[HTC Inspire 4G] djeaton:
So, to the point of the original post, if my Inspire is not CURRENTLY giving me the promised "substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities" over 3G, I've been sold vaporware that is nothing but a goal.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mepis:
You take any point you would like from my OP. My goal was to report my findings. As I mentioned, I'd love to know if these tests work out the same in other HSPA+ enabled areas.
[HTC Inspire 4G] kirbo20:
In HSPA+ areas I get around 5 Mbps down. Not a huge improvement over HSPA areas.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RogerPodacter:
yeah ATT put themselves in a very tough and stupid position, because when they go to launch their LTE network soon, what are they going to say? "here is our "real" 4G network, the other one we claimed was 4G was just pretend 4G". so at least they are claiming 4G "speeds" at the moment rather than saying its 4G network. either way i think it's all stupid.