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[Nexus S General] sccrplyr13:
They can and they will get rid of T-Mobile's 3g. They're basically saying "Ok you can grandfather in your current cheap plan, but no 3g for you! And if you want it you must pay us for it."

Source for those asking:

http://www.androidguys.com/2011/03/21/att-statement-tmobile-customers-replace-3g-handsets-merge/
[Nexus S General] zorak950:
Taking that at face value, which seems plausible enough, I still say worst-case scenario we'll have 3G for well over a year yet. I find it highly unlikely AT&T will shut down the Band IV 3G network for several months after the acquisition even in the most accelerated scenario. I seriously doubt we'll see them start physically going in and converting tower sites less than six months after the merger. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than a year before they actually did so.

Keep in mind AT&T's data network is already stretched thin; I cannot imagine them dumping T-Mobile's customers onto it immediately just so they can get everyone on their existing bands. It's simply not tenable. AT&T may be behind T-Mobile in customer satisfaction, but they're not stupid, and frankly, they're not particularly nimble either. This is a huge corporate conglomerate in the telecommunications sector with the mindset of a monopoly we're talking about; it moves slowly.

Of course, this is all just personal opinion based on my own limited mix of knowledge and perceptions, but I say it's unlikely our 3G will go away until after our contracts are up (those of us that have them at this point, that is), and to be honest, I suspect the kind of person who has a Nexus S today is likely to have a different phone by then in any case. And if I'm wrong, you can all deride me later. :P
[Nexus S General] [hfm]:
OMG you use 5-9 gig over EDGE? Wow.. Just wow..
[Nexus S General] tankmaster90:
When they do switch over to ATT bands then our ns is pretty much worthless. Even if thats in 2 years, but by then most of us will have new phones anyway. I wonder if ATT will get the google phones though, thats something to worry about. T-mobile had the most vanilla phones.
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
I think we will still see the Nexus S on AT&T-Mobile when they merge. Google tends to favor sim unlocked phones more then they do CDMA..
[Nexus S General] zorak950:
Considering that this won't go down until at least a year from now, I sort of hope there'll be a new Nexus phone by then anyway. :P
[Nexus S General] Raver27:
This is depressing........
[Nexus S General] [hfm]:
Sprint would like a word.
[Nexus S General] Master™:
Everyone should tweet...

"Yes, @Google should by @TMoble because @ATT sucks! #GoogleWireless would be great xD "

haha
[Nexus S General] apreichner:
I think of it like this. I'm on contract with t-mobile, if they decide to take away 3g they will probably end up breaking the contract which means I will escape the contract with no etf because of the merger.
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
its not a MERGER. buying a company != merging with the company

@Master: Yeah thats a good idea but "by" should be "buy" :p
[Nexus S General] Raver27:
I agree Google come save us!
[Nexus S General] Master™:
lol, typo.. #fail
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
Yep I'm pretty sure we will!!
[Nexus S General] Bmerz:
The next generation of the Nexus...

A little OT here, and wishful thinking on my part...

Since T-Mobile and its customers were the 1st to welcome and support the Android platform...I think it would be nice if Google gave T-Mobile customers a little parting gift.

The gift from Google that I have in mind is - to make their next generation Nexus support both carrier's (T-Mobile and AT&T) 3G/4G/HSPA+ networks. Then Google and its loyal customers would be covered either way - whether the sale goes through or not.

And for those of us on a contract with T-Mobile (who want to keep their plan), we would then have a top notch phone to carry over to AT&T, if we wanted to stay with AT&T.

Just a thought... :D

P.S. While we're at it, might as well make the next Nexus dual/and or quad core, 8-12 mp cam, ffc, 4-4.3" screen and with ice-cream (or jellybean *evil grin*). ;)
[Nexus S General] SupaDupaFly24:
I don't understand why its not done this way in the first place...
[Nexus S General] sonnysekhon:
From anandtech.com regarding the G2X:

If that is the direction manufacturers are going to take, it is sort of good news for new Canadian AWS carriers (including my carrier :)) who relied heavily on T-Mobile's phone selection.

Sort of like the way GSM fragmentation ended and quadband is now the norm.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
according to their own page http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=T-Mobile-G2x-with-Google

i do not see 1700 mentioned anywhere
[Nexus S General] Bmerz:
Might be a typo? AnandTech shows both band support for AT&T/Tmo 3G/4G. Kind of makes ya wonder how long LG has known about the sale, and if this means all phones going forward offered by Tmo, will offer dual bands support?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4231/lg-optimus-2x-coming-to-usa-as-tmobile-g2x-
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
If the DOJ disapproves of the deal, the AT&T + T-Mobile thing won't happen and T-Mobile will gain the "breakup fee" which would be HUGE for T-Mobile.

http://klobuchar.senate.gov/inthenews_detail.cfm?id=332086&

Looks like some progress is being done. Clearly need a movement to prevent AT&T from buying T-Mobile.
[Nexus S General] bigwillis:
I currently have my old 3g internet carried over from a mytouch 3g, on my nexus s.I have a couple of freinds with the nexus that are on the 4g network but ofcourse only use 3g speeds..should I move to a 4g connection??? Will I be exempt then when the 3g gets shut off? Thanks in advance.:confused:
[Nexus S General] tankmaster90:
do you think the next google phones will come to att then, once the merger is done?
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
No clue. Maybe with the new partnerships they'll be going to sprint.
[Nexus S General] rocketragz:
what a bummer. i can't stand stand att. worst most incompetent customer service ever.
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
Well, we only know one definite change is happening and frankly I think in the long run its a good one: AT&T is going to take T-Mo's 3G band and use it for LTE. Here is why it is good: T-Mo's 3G band is notoriously bad for building penetration whereas AT&T's is much better. Heck a forum search would yield innumerable complaints about T-Mo's 3G service inside not to mention that in the area I currently T-Mo has horrible service. So does Sprint. So does Verizon. In fact, there is only one carrier that gets any service at all and frankly it gets amazing service: AT&T. Now, I won't mince words; I would never be a direct AT&T customer by choice because their plans are over-priced and under-serviced but there is a silver lining here.

As I said, the change mentioned earlier is the only definite one. No mention has been made about getting rid of T-Mo in the short term or even the long run and as someone who just signed their contract in January, that is a good thing. I have a two year binding contract guaranteeing me 1500 minutes, unlimited data (to be throttled after 5gigs but that's really not a problem for me), and unlimited text messaging. The whole marketplace can change in two years very quickly so whether the AT&T of today will be the AT&T of 2013 is impossible to say.

I'll be frank though, I'll be keeping my eyes on Verizon's plans and pricing because that is where I'll be going if things start looking bad on AT&T&T-Mo (I have a mile long list of reasons why I'll never go back to Sprint but that is a story for a different post). I'm not holding my breath that things will get better at AT&T but I'm also not closing my mind to that possibility.
[Nexus S General] chrlswltrs:
My 2 big concerns with this are:

1. Unlimited data going away

2. AT&T controlling Android - no Amazon app store, etc or any other way their stock phones can get apps other than the market. I really don't see them ever getting the next nexus

I think coverage will only get better, but since I rarely if ever am in rural areas I really don't care.
[Nexus S General] Zenoran:
The main suck for this deal is the resale value of our phones going down to nil. Selling old phones makes buying new ones easier and they just put an obsolete tag on all T-Mobile phones by killing the 3G band.
[Nexus S General] babluc:
Im in the same shoe, just signed a contract in jan. also. I agree with you on this one, the landscape of tomorrow is going to be much different in two year. But if im going to pay a higher price im going to expect to get the service i pay for, and verzion seems to be that company. 2 years is a long time in the cell phone market.
[Nexus S General] bocaj.jb:
me too! lol i wonder how that will play out...
[Nexus S General] Raver27:
I called Verizon tonight,0 deposit for 3 lines,am gonna go play with thunderbolt in the store tomorrow, thanks alot T-Mobile .......may be putting my ns on Craigslist soon...
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
its not T-Mobile's fault, its deutsche telekom who are the owners of T-Mobile USA. and the deal has to be approved by the DOJ, if it doesn't then T-Mobile USA will get $3B and some towers; i didnt create this thread to cause a panic but to spread awareness into stopping this from happening. so please stop over exaggerating
[Nexus S General] fosdos4790:
How would this not technically be a monopoly of GSM phones. We would have one choice.
[Nexus S General] Raver27:
Not over exaggerating man.....but the odds are that at&t will buy there way through this entire thing,and at least if I sell my ns now ill make something off it,I wait a year from now,probably won't be able to give it away.....that's just the reality of it....
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
Really.. so you think AT&T will bribe the government to accept their deal?

Be realistic now. You're going to trade a Nexus phone for a Thunderbolt. A phone that hasn't gotten any real development yet. Will there be development? Yeah of course, but it'll take time to grow.

Not to mention but the Thunderbolt is a phone from the previous generation. Sure, its the first phone to feature Verizon's 4G. 4G i can really care less, im not using it as my primary internet, and the speeds on 3G are just fine.

If it was a G2x or something, it would sound somewhat reasonable.. but a Thunderbolt LOL. One month later of your Thunderbolt, you're going to drool all over Quad-Core phone announcements and the newer HTC phones coming out.

But whatever, if you want to freak out and all that. Go ahead ;) But if this AT&T/T-Mobile deal fail, you're going to feel really bad about selling your Nexus phone.
[Nexus S General] fosdos4790:
At&t is one of the leading campaign funders for candidates in d.c. they very well could bribe them (although Idk if it would work). But thats besides the point. I hope the other guy realizes its gonna take 2 YEARS for our nexus s's to no longer be compatible with 3g. By then he'll be up for an upgrade or he can leave and go somewhere else and there will be way better phones than a damn thunderbolt and nexus s by then lol. On a side note At&t just announced that T-Mobile prices will remain the same even after the merge is over. I'm very apprehensive to believe that but if its the truth I will be staying with them.
[Nexus S General] DrSpanky:
The Edge network (no 3G here) here in Logan is about as fast as ATT's 3G. Once I'm through the canyon though, I have solid 3G speeds all through to Sandy...
[Nexus S General] LoveisPeace2012:
+1
[Nexus S General] shrivelfig:
Only in the US. Sell the phone on eBay, you'll get a good price for your SAMOLED phone in SCLCD-only Europe. :cool:
[Nexus S General] csmall:
So ATT wants to use T-Mobile to build up a stronger network... so we can use up our massive 2GB limit at a more enjoyable pace?

I guess I'll wait and see if Verizon LTE plans will remain unlimited (I doubt it) and if not then Sprint is the only logical choice... I'd much prefer GSM/LTE over CDMA/WiMax though :(
[Nexus S General] Iconic30:
Look I think it should be common knowledge that if there are any hiccups along the way with this process, AT&T will throw money at it to make it go away. That is just how the world is today, and anybody that disagrees is just naive. Plus everybody on here that was so quick to say they would jump ship to Sprint, maybe in for a surprise. Say the FCC passes this deal, how long do you think it would be before Verizon buys Sprint? Verizon may come out and say that they are not interested in Sprint, but when push comes to shove I think they will have to. And if you think about it, Sprint is setting themselves up to get bought. They are discontinuing Nextel, and choosing to ditch WiMax and go with LTE. In a few years it could be, and most likely will be, the two big dogs fighting it out. And honestly, everybody involved with this industry should not be surprised. This was inevitable.
[Nexus S General] inspiron41:
I hate to lose T-Mobile services. And I hope to see this merger fail. If Verizon or sprint are better priced ill move from att
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
Sprint is fighting this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...s-at-t-t-mobile-could-stifle-innovation-.html
[Nexus S General] dman777:
Kill me! The most greedy cell corp in the US is buying Tmobile and it is directly effecting my dear Nexus S!

I despise ATT! Their prices are outrageous! and their data cap is ridiculous! Pure greed!

Does this mean I will have to share the data network with all the ATT customers and get lag from it being bogged down?
[Nexus S General] TheBassman369:
If this goes through, I'll feel very sorry for all of you T-Mobile people. AT&T is horrible.
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
it would be the equivalent of Rogers taking over Windmobiles

which is them only true competition in Canada

both Telus and Bell are alinged within Rigers to TRI-polize them communication market in Canada
[Nexus S General] drksilenc:
how will at&t re compinsate all the people who just bought phones from tmo because of a 2 year contract they would have to give you a credit or osmething...
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
As stated earlier part of the deal includes paying for new phones for affected customers

Sent from my MattedBlues CM7 Nexus S from the XDA Premium app.
[Nexus S General] [hfm]:
I had a fleeting thought of this as well, but it's a bad idea. Google owning android and owning a carrier would create a bad situation for android by pissing off other carriers. They would have to give up android first. That's not going to happen, it's more important to their biz model than owning a carrier.

Not to mention they are not a good retailer, n1 was a great phone but a google as a retailer experiment failure.
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
that's why Google would leave the retailer to the T-Mobile retail stores. I mean after all they do have the best customer service, Google could take a lesson or two from them in terms of customer service
[Nexus S General] Kah-Neth:
UPDATE on the AT&T situation:

http://techland.time.com/2011/03/25/fcc-calls-att-and-t-mobile-merger-steep-climb/
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
sounds like a temporally good news until the final decision is made by the FCC
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
If this deal doesn't go through, I wonder what will happen to Tmobile, if anything. Would that 3 billion payment be enough to help pull them out of slumping customer-base and profits? What will Deushe Telekom do then with Tmobile? They seem to want to get rid of it.

EDIT: It might be even messier, but maybe it would be better for the industry had Sprint and Tmo gotten together. Instead of two powerhouses and two smaller houses competing, you'd have a three-way powerhouse fight. Would that be better for competition?
[Nexus S General] Raver27:
IMO this whole thing is gonna get real messy,and with sprint officially announcing today there gonna fight this all the way....there's really no telling what's going to happen, but T-Mobile is going to bleed customers like crazy...I put my ns and wife's phone on Craigslist yesterday just to see what kind of bites we would get,not a one!and I have sold alot of phones on there in no time...
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
They will also get towers from AT&T.

I'm applauding for Sprint's actions:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/28/shocker-sprint-officially-opposes-atandts-proposed-acquisition-o/
[Nexus S General] agonzalez1010:
Well we now know why Nexus S is being offered over at Sprint. There is no way in heck that AT&T with their rip off mentality is going to allow people to own an "open" device like the Nexus series to be part of their network. If you look at AT&T's existing Android lineup, they all try to lock down their devices and make it worthless (until you root it) then they rape you with this ridiculous metered data scam. The way the Nexus S is sold with a true open source Android platform and free mobile hotspot will make AT&T Execs go cucu. I guess someone at Google saw this coming and shacked up with Sprint because of this. Sadly AT&T is going to destroy T-Mobile after this merger and kill competition. Best thing to do when the new Nexus S 4G hits, Ebay off your current one and switch. Why wait till the Tyrant company tells you that their will be no mercy for you and your Nexus S phone. (They are already talking about dismantling the T-Mobile Cell Towers and using them for their 4G Network rendering your device one day to be useless).
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
And another update: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/29/us-att-newyork-probe-idUSTRE72S4WB20110329

Hopefully more politicians/companies/etc will come into this fight and stop this madness from happening.
[Nexus S General] Raver27:
Well I've had a few offers for my nexus on Craigslist, and I backed out....just couldn't let it go...Nothing out there compares to this phone.....And as for at&t,I hope the entire country unites against your evil plan.......
[Nexus S General] doniqcc:
Att sucks ass
[Nexus S General] kenvan19:
Thanks for keeping us updated on this stuff zephik. Its very helpful for me to know what is going on with this deal!
[Nexus S General] AllGamer:
not just you and the rest of the USA Tmobile users, but us as well here in the great white north (not so white anymore with the global warming), if this AT&T-mobile deals goes through it will mean big problem here for us folks on Windmobile and MobilityCity

it will become yet another bargaining chip for Rogers and alikes to talk the government into taking over Windmobile
[Nexus S General] avetny:
same **** dude..
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
And to start the first week of April. Update again (woohoo!)

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/04/01/fcc-commissioner-copps-not-pleased-tmobile-and-att-merger/
[Nexus S General] Bmerz:
FCC filings open to the public, make your voice heard!

For anyone whom is against this acquisition, TmoNews and Android Police have both posted information on this issue and how to file, along with links (see links/info below).

TmoNews:

http://www.tmonews.com/2011/04/make-your-voice-heard-tell-the-fcc-how-you-feel/

Android Police:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-on-the-attt-mobile-deal-grab-your-pitchfork/

Go T-Mobile! :D
[Nexus S General] Finom:
Thanks to the good people keeping us posted. I already hate my U-Verse service, sure as hell don't want them to take over my phone too.
[Nexus S General] zephiK:
updated OP: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list visit and file your feelings about it
[Nexus S General] mikew29:
After letting the fcc know your thoughts, there is also this.

"TmoNews: 8,999 votes in our poll!!! http://t.co/hwTRi0R Lets keep it going!"

--http://twitter.com/TmoNews/status/67749763558293505
[Epic 4G General] murso74:
what does the exclamation point in the red triangle mean in the text list? i've been getting that alot since i upgraded to EB13
[Epic 4G General] niv3d:
Please see if the text went through, this normally means the text was not sent.
[Epic 4G General] murso74:
its funny... i scrolled back through my texts and there were texts it said didnt' go through that did. so its indicating that the text didnt' send, yet i'm getting a response. meanwhile people are telling me they didn't get texts that the phone said went through.. :: sigh ::
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Rippley05:
Ok, so I downloaded the trial version and liked it so much I paid for the full version. It's a little expensive for an app.. 6$ and some change.. but it seems to function so much better than swype and more options as well.

The skin is ugly, hopefully theme options become available. If you haven't heard of it or if you're having one of the many issues swype seems to cause sometimes, check it out.

I'm curious, who here has been using this app for a while? How are updates? Do they come pretty often or really rare? This seems like a really solid alternative to swype so I hope it is maintained.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] rrr1986:
Try flx9

Sent from my evocalypse 2.3
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Rippley05:
Is that in the market? Couldn't find it.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] treo4life:
I use it more than swype now...
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Rippley05:
So do I. Its a little clunky still tho

Sent from the batcave thanks to the xda "premUim" app!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] wrceuro:
I have SlideIT also and I have to agree with you. It's the most accurate keyboard that I have ever used so far. Nothing even come close to it. I tried everything that you could imagine. It's $6 well spent.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] mdubs:
Here it is.

Edit: Apparently if you are running CM7 this will not show up in the market for you on your phone. I wasn't signed in to the market on my comp and that is probably why it showed up for me.

Do yourself a favor and avoid watching their marketing video... horrible.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] italy7:
i have a blue themed version and it is pretty nice to use as an alternative to swype
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] kids88yj:
X2
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Rippley05:
Haha ok, I'll avoid it.

It looks like a really good keyboard, but without it showing in my market and without a trial.. not much I can do. I'm a try before you buy guy.
[Android Apps and Games] Jufis:
Hi,

Is there a launcher with ability to make folders in the app drawer?

Thanks,

- J
[Android Apps and Games] backhead92:
Yes Go launcher ex
[Android Apps and Games] Jufis:
Sweet! Thanks!

By the way, is it the only launcher with folder feature? I don't like the tabs in the app drawer and I can't find a way to hide them.
[Android Apps and Games] dympy:
If I'm right the ported Arc launcher has a folder option too.

Link.
[Android Apps and Games] beetnubbin:
Also ADW launcher (and adw launcher ex) have "categories" which equates to the same functionality. Arc launcher is also definitely worth checking out also, it's only a shame the launcher bar doesn't look as slick as the app drawer.
[Android Apps and Games] Dobloro:
Go Launcher has folders, just drag and drop icons on top of eachother and a nice glass looking folder forms
[Android Apps and Games] syrenz:
You can try MX Home T as well if you're looking for something different.
[Blade General] sparkglow:
Hi,

I have flashed my Orange San Francisco with the FLB Froyo r10b custom ROM.

Using my GPRS/EDGE/3G, I am unable to use or connect the Google Apps such as Gmail, Youtube, Market, Navigation.

However, I am able to browse website, access gmail using the default browser with the 3G connection. Using the WiFi, I am able to connect to the Market, Gmail app but unable to connect to Youtube.

Is there a way to resolve this?

Thanks,
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bluedragon1982:
Hey all,

i own a Fritz!Box 7390 - and now since Android 2.3.3 (CM7) as VPN build-in i want to connect my Android (Wildfire) with my Fritz!Box via VPN.

Anyone got this allready Working without extra apps or mod for CM7 and can post an How-To here?

Thanks

Andre