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[Off-topic] vbetts:
God no. As long as the Iphone was on a major carrier in the US, it would have done great regardless. The big reason isn't the carrier, proof of this is people complained about AT&T but still went ahead and bit the bullet and got the Iphone despite having network troubles and not very cost effective. Hell, Verizon was kicking themselves in the nuts when Apple came to them first and they said no. Like whatever market Apple steps into, they boosted the market for smartphones a lot with the Iphone. They didn't create the market, but if we didn't have the Iphone today the smartphone world would most likely be a lot different.

Now that being said, it's easy for Android to get ahead of Apple since they do have multiple carrier support. Samsung has a Galaxy S device on all 4 major networks in the US, HTC has at least 1 snapdragon device on the 4 networks as well as a phone with a screen size bigger than 3.5", Motorola put out the first Tegra 2 phone on AT&T, and Verizon just has a huge <3 with the Droid name. Droid, Droid 2, Droid Incredible, Droid r2d2, Droid 2 global, Droid Pro, Droid X, Droid Bionic, and now the upcoming Droid Charge from Samsung.

Palm never marketed WebOS in the right direction. Let's be real now, the Palm Pixi commercial was kind of cool because of the music, but very creepy at the same time.Aside from the Evo, the original Pre was one of Sprints top selling devices, and Android started off with developers and tech enthusiasts liking it(Not that there's anything wrong with that), but now since Android is a free system you don't have to license, and Google is promoting Android some, the carriers and the phone manufactures are the ones promoting and marketing them. And then it goes back to Verizon and the Droid name. Do you know how the Iphone, android, and other random platforms gained acceptance so much? Aside from actually working somewhat, great marketing.
[Off-topic] DssTrainer:
Hardly think AT&T could pay anywhere near what customers buying the phone on all carriers coyld give them. This isn't the instinct or glyde where exclusivity can be covers by a carrier bonus. This is the iPhone.
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
At first (UK) the iPhone was locked to O2 and pretty much no on had one but around the time of the 3G apple made them unlocked and forr all carriers... no you can't go outside without seeing one haha :p
[Off-topic] DssTrainer:
Exactly.. imagine now if everyone could get it.

After thinking about it, I guess its pretty mathematical.

Take all the iPhone owners in the first 2 years (2yr contract) and all the flagship android users in the first 2 years and add them up.. Really That would be the number of iPhone owners for the first 2 years if it was originally everywhere since android wasn't out for about 2 years and everyone who wanted the iPhone, before we found out Android was better and more open... we all settled for an Android because we couldn't get an iPhone.

Then after that you take the number of people who have switched from iPhone to Android and subtract that from the original total. I think that is probably a small number.. like 15% or so.. Apple is nothing if not a great brainwasher and most fanbois won't look at an android if steve jobs says not to. Android would be "the next big thing" but it already was the next big thing and most apple fans didn't jump ship. We here at xda might make up that 15% because due to WinMo, we are into custom ROMs and rooting.. but most aren't, and many wouldn't want to have to learn another new thing when the iPhone is so easy.

So I think it is clear iphone would have more like 75% of the market until people start realizing that iOS hasn't changed in 5 years and want to start testing the waters.
[Off-topic] Step666:
Outside of the US, Palm never marketed WebOS full stop.

I have no idea what Pixi advert you're talking about because they never put the effort in over here.

How do you know?

Apple will have been able to use the exclusivity of the iPhone to negotiate a very different set of terms to what they could've had they been providing it to Verizon, Sprint etc as well.

For example, there have been persistent rumours about Apple actually having received a cut of the monthly tariff charges for the original iPhones, another source of income that they would've been unlikely to have achieved if they were also supplying AT&T's competitors.

Wrong.

The number of iPhone customers on AT&T included people who switched to AT&T just for the iPhone. If it had been on all networks, there would've been far fewer AT&T iPhone customers.

I'm quite happy to carry on this conversation but only if you stick to sensible arguments.

Speaking of which, I see you've conveniently ignored the point about Apple, as a newcomer to the mobile phone industry, not over-stretching.

By trying to supply multiple networks, they would've had to have developed a CDMA iPhone at a time when they were far from assured of it's success - by sticking to one network or at the very least a single technology (GSM as opposed to CDMA), they kept R&D and manufacturing costs lower.

And once they made the obvious decision to favour GSM, there's no doubting they could get more money out of AT&T than by offering the handset on T-Mobile as well.

That's simply not true.

There were a lot of people purchased the original iPhone and even more people purchased the 3G and 3GS iPhones, both of which were released before other networks in the UK started to carry them.

And anyway, we're not talking about the success of the iPhone, we're talking about the success of Android.

The approach Google have taken with Android ensured it's success, no matter what the competition do or did.

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[Off-topic] vbetts:
Exactly, there was no marketing for it. Apple has marketing for the Iphone, it helps that they've had the ipod lineup before the Iphone too plus tons of support from other companies, and Samsung and the rest promote their phones.

Here's the pixi commercial,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcnH0h69NY
[Off-topic] Step666:
Not much - not nearly as much as Apple do the iPhone.

True, over here Samsung have started running TV ads for the Galaxy S but they're relatively recent and the phone's been on the market for like 9 months now.

But getting back to the original topic, as I say it's Google's approach that has brought about Android's success.

It's all based round choice - choice of manufacturer, which in turn has resulted in choices of network and price etc.

And that's got nothing to do with Apple et al.
[Off-topic] DssTrainer:
You seem to be arguing our point but not realizing it.. It isn't about AT&T.. it is about how many people bought the iphone. If 10million people bought the iphone 1, they are locked in for 2 years. There could be 20million people on AT&T, but only 10million bought iPhones because the rest liked their BB or whatever.

If 10million people bought androids when verizon got it, then you would assume that those people who waited that extra 2 years for android to come out would have certainly bought an iPhone if it was available. After all that was the phone to beat.

So regardless of carrier.. Apple would have had 20Million iphones sold vs only 10Million (the numbers are not accurate, just examples for simple math)

A radio is a radio GSM or CDMA or whatever. Has no affect on the OS. As far as overstretching goes, yes perhaps a 1 year exclusivity to test the waters would be have been playing it safe.. but with the iPod success you had people chomping at the bit. People were standing in line for iPhone 1 on day 1. Never has there be a line for a phone.. Even early polls showed that people couldn't wait to get it. It was already a clear winner.

Again you are talking about the future.. We are only talking iPhone 1 at this point. Case and point, people were trying to unlock the iPhone for T-Mobile... even tho they couldn't use the data.. and the Meizu M8 was everyone's great white hope for a quality knock off.

The simple facts are. Android was the first iPhone competitor and it was made attainable by all, but all the people who bought Androids really wanted iPhones initially, whether they can admit it now or not. They still paved the way for the concept of how android and WP7 work today.. App-centric, finger friendly, capacitive touch, mobile entertainment devices that let us poor fake beer and fart more than take calls or view office documents. Android just happened to let the rest of us do it.. but if all of us Android users now could have gotten the iPhone back then.. we all would have.

I guess against my original post.. we all still might have androids "now" but still Apple would have made a lot more money and been even bigger if everyone could get the initially. They were their own worst enemy in the competition and let Android come up so quickly instead of blanketing the world with apple seeds
[Off-topic] Step666:
Er, no.

There's no way I'm agreeing with you because what you're saying is completely made up, a pure flight of fantasy.

I'm out, I've said my piece and now you're just making stuff up:
[Off-topic] vbetts:
Just saying real fast, you haven't used the Samsung Moment then have you? A CDMA phone built on Android 1.5(Which doesn't support CDMA), and even the 2.1 update wasn't a complete 2.1 update. Still used a lot of the original 1.5 libraries, and Sprint/Samsung's crappy cdma code for a gsm system. Frequent data loss and network lockup which means you can't call, text, or use the modem while the modem is locked up, and here in the States it is against the law and the FCC to have a phone that can't call out to emergency services(Being 911 in this case) regardless of being activated, not activated, bad esn, stolen, etc etc.
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] denonlake:
Anyone tried oovoo for video calls? It has an option to use ffc in settings.
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] TheZuneLune:
I tried and it did not really work at all. No FF camera, even though it has the settings for it and no audio.
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] denonlake:
Just got my son to connect with me and i confirm no ffc or audio. ... Guess nothing works with this FFC
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] CPCookieMan:
U tried Tango? That seems to work quite well with ffc.
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] denonlake:
I will try it but no one I know uses. Thanks for heads up
[Thunderbolt Themes and Apps] ApexPredation:
Yahoo Messenger works great. I have been using it on 3g, because I don't get the 4g here yet.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] effluent:
The Droid X keyboard is by far the best I've ever used IMO. The Gingerbread keyboard sucks..Nobody has ported this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] otooles:
I feel the same way, it would be awesome if someone could get this working on CM7.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shyfe:
agreed. the gingerbread keyboard keeps on repeating letters.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mquinn24:
Are you talking about this keyboard? I'm using it right now. It's from the droid x forum.

http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/droid-x-mods/5837-themed-gingerbread-keyboards.html
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
Here's the boot animation I created (attached). It's not a CWM flashable .zip, so you'll need to change the name to bootanimation.zip and either need to push it to /data/local through ADB, or use a File Explorer with root access to put in in /data/local (or if you're running a stock rooted ROM you'll need to rename it to ATT_Bootanimation.zip and put it in /system/customize/resource. It was just a .gif I found with a quick google search, and with the help of Wolf_2 finally got working properly. I take no credit for anything but putting it together as a boot animation

Original thread request:
[HTC Inspire 4G] Wolf:
The 15 in your text stands for 15 fps, so with only 17 images to display it is going to fly through it. You should create more frames. You could also make the second folder for the loop, having a part0 and part1 folder in your zipped folder. The part0 folder would be the play through and the part1 folder would contain the loop. I have included my text document so that you can see the way I did it. I have also provided a link to a thread that helped me understand what needed to be done.

http://android.modaco.com/content/z...om/334096/guide-changing-your-boot-animation/
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
OK, I'll play around with the part0 and part1 folders. I left it the way it was when I pulled it and it only had an android folder, so I didn't know if this would be necessary or not. Thanks for the references!

Edit: You are awesome. I left part0 folder empty and put all my .png pics in part1, used your desc.txt exactly as it was, and it's doing exactly what I want it to! That was kind of fun, and now I can watch the MAC Apple getting peed on by the Android Robot when I start my phone. I've attached it if anyone's interested. I am not the artist, I found the animated .gif online, so no credit to me for that

Now - next question. If I put a different series of pictures in part 0, will this replace the HTC screen I see, or just create an additional boot image?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Wolf:
It will just create the boot animation. I am still trying to figure out where that HTC screen is located so that I can get rid of it or change it. As a note, just remember that the numbering sequence in the second folder has to continue from where the first folder left off. As an example, if the frames in the first folder finish with 00030, then the second folder would start with 00031 and continue. Glad that helped you.
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
Excellent information, Wolf. Thanks again
[HTC Inspire 4G] Wolf:
You are very welcome. Glad it worked out.
[HTC Inspire 4G] lrs421:
If it's anything like the Captivate the HTC screen is in the kernel :( You'll have to decompile it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Wolf:
Irs421: "If it's anything like the Captivate the HTC screen is in the kernel :( You'll have to decompile it."

I know it's hiding somewhere. TPC and I started working on themes, so since everything has been taken apart he or I will probably come across it eventually.
[HTC Inspire 4G] mudknot2005:
If you find out I would like to know to, so I can make a matching black htc splash screen. I know some one flashed it as an img through adb. Is there a way to see where exactly it is pushing it to?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Wolf:
I am not sure since I did not know about that adb push. I want to get rid of that screen also. When I find it I will let you know. There is just so much to go through and test. It's going to take a while.
[HTC Inspire 4G] cyber_pete:
You can use Android Flasher to replace the boot image, it's a really simple one click method.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=794638&highlight=flash+android
[HTC Inspire 4G] cyber_pete:
Nice work, I turned your bootanimation into a downanimation. I optimized the graphics for a 480 x 800 screen and set it up to run through the complete shutdown. Do you mind if I post it? I will be sure to give you credit for creating the original.
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
Share away!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] vakata:
I believe this may be the dumbest post ever to exist, but I really cannot find a solution.

Use-case: Phone is almost out of juice, place it in a pocket ... wait a bit - take the phone out - how to determine if the phone is still "on"? Pressing the top on button (which turns the screen on) will try to boot the phone if it has automatically switched off because of no battery.

Thank you all,

Kindest regards,

Ivan
[Galaxy 3 General] stef1238:
Hi guys,

I have a problem with my Samsung Galaxy 3, the phone often asks again for my simcard number even though I allready booted it. When I enter the number, it doesn't boot again, but it just goes right away to the main menu like it was before.

Could this be a software problem or do you think the problem is just caused by my simcard itself?

Thanks
[Galaxy 3 General] Neojag:
Happens to me as well (no problem with the SIM card, I've switched for a new one and it keeps happening). I ended up deactivating the SIM lock and just let it boot without SIM code...
[Galaxy 3 General] only4omkar:
Please elaborate !
[Galaxy 3 General] stubborn_d0nkey:
what only4omkar said. Also when does it exactly happen? While you are using the phone or only after unlocking the screen?
[Galaxy 3 General] debaj:
You have Eclair on your phone, right? Been there too. With Froyo the problem is solved, but without the update the easiest thing is to turn off the PIN code request, as mentioned.
[Galaxy 3 General] stef1238:
It happens only when the screen lock is on. I do have Eclair. If I install a ROM, you think the problem will go away then?
[Galaxy 3 General] debaj:
For me the problem completely disappeared since I flashed Froyo (I tried JPF and JPM). I turned the PIN code request back on, so if the problem didn't disappear, I would notice.

But if you afraid to flash, the other workaround works well, and if ypu want security, you can use the pattern lock.
[Galaxy 3 General] 2happy2beu:
Happened to me with Eclair 2.1, now with JPM seems ok.
[Galaxy 3 General] stef1238:
I'll first try turning off the pin code and turning on the pattern lock, if I have some more time to learn about flashing I'll maybe give it a go later :)

Thanks guys!
[Galaxy 3 General] ralbuh:
Had this problem too on eclair,disable pincode was my workaround too...

Now on Jpm which fixed this problem.
[Galaxy 3 General] osbozzy:
What ROM are u on ?

Did u try flashing some other ROM ?

Make sure u take off u're sim card an memory card while u flash a new ROM ...

An btw ... try a hard reset first .. If in case tht solves u're problem , no need to flash a new ROM ..
[EVO 4G Accessories] _TXN_:
I purchased the Sieidio Battery 1750mAh on Amazon about a month ago. This battery is not worth the money at all. If you want an extra battery then I suggest buying an OEM battery.

I might be wrong but I think this battery actually goes down faster than the one that came with the phone. My biggest problem with this battery is that it does not fit properly in the phone. It can just be set down or place in my pocket and that is enough to make the phone.

DON'T wast you money on this battery
[EVO 4G Accessories] Necrosan:
I don't even understand your review, but I guess I do understand you are being negative.

But this battery works way better than the stock battery that came with my EVO. It ****s on the stock battery. Diarrhea.

Maybe it's just because I bought it for $50 from Best Buy. What a bargain!
[EVO 4G Accessories] Bigjim1488:
Sounds like too much for a 1750 battery. I'd rather just go all out and get the 3500
[EVO 4G Accessories] Shaka401:
I got two 1800mAh batteries for about $30, and experienced the same thing. After awhile though, I realized that you have to do a few things to get better battery life.

1) Charge the battery to full while the phone is on.

2) Unplug and plug back in to verify that the phone is fully charged (green led)

3) Turn the phone off

4) Unplug, plug in, and wait for a green led

5) Repeat that 5-10 times

6) Then while still plugged in, reboot into Recovery and wipe the battery stats via the advanced menu.

7) Reboot, and use your phone as you normally would.

This may sound like alot, but it really only take about 5 mins. Even after wipe, it will still take about 5 full discharges to reap the better battery life. Hope this helps!
[EVO 4G Accessories] netstat_EVO:
I think its just luck of the draw on aftermarket batteries (the cheap ones at least)

I have heard good and bad on ALL of them.

I got the Chichitec/htcexpress 1800 batteries with charger. Came in the other day and I couldn't be happier. 14 hours on initial charge, that's unheard of for me. On my stock battery I had to keep the phone plugged in most of the day at work just to still have juice by the time I got home. And supposedly these things start acting even better after a few charge cycles.

(Fits with stock battery door too)

But for every person that has a good experience with any of these companies, there's someone else with a horror story.
[EVO 4G Accessories] iitreatedii:
Could have told you that before you bought it, ratings by aftermarket reputable companies are close and never accurate...if they rate it at 1750, it's probably 1500-1650... The stock is 1500 so yes you wasted your money. Now on the other hand, the 3500 is the best investment anyone could ever make....
[EVO 4G Accessories] OneStepAhead:
It's been proven long ago seidio over rates their batteries. The "1750" is actually just under 1500, so less capacity then the stock battery.
[EVO 4G Accessories] rdzlyz:
just terribad in my opinion, gonna stick to my seidio 3500. rather have the size and life than a small size and a measly bump from the 1750mah battery
[EVO 4G Accessories] chrischoi:
They rated it less than a 1500 stock battery.
[EVO 4G Accessories] thaisport_sf:
Key with extended batteries is that you actually have to charge them longer than your phone indicates.

Example: I phone said it was fully charged at 3:26am in the morning. Yet it continue to charge until at least 6:45am before it was constant. Granted I am using an SBC kernel but even without, you need to let it charge the night. Don't let the green light fool you. It takes a few extra hours to charge even if the led light is green!

You should just about fully drain your battery and then let it charge overnight. If you aren't on an SBC kernel you may actually want to charge your phone while it's off so that the battery dictates the charge.

You should also wipe your battery stats once the phone is fully charged.

Try that and see if it works for you. I know that I was getting great battery life even on the stock battery. I play "Word With friends" (at least 15 matches running) a lot (at least 15 matches running concurrently) and this game actually drains battery. I still got through the day fine though I also carry a Touch Pro 2 and having the batteries that are the same size allows me to swap when needed.

I have the 2650mah one from sprint and my 3500mah seidio coming in the mail tomorrow. I'll probably write a review for it later. Note, On my 2650mah, it's already on its 12th hour and I was was playing WWF, surfing the web, made several calls and it's still at 77%. I will leave it off the charger tonight and see how it fairs tomorrow.

Good Luck!
[EVO 4G Accessories] bignibb:
I have tested these and if they do last longer then stock, it is only like maybe 20 mins. I have an external charger as well as running the SBC kernel to get a complete charge. I have the sprint 2600 battery as well and love it. Not many cases for it but I have modified a sedio rugged and ballistic to work with it. I let my wife use it for a few days in her evo and had to fight to get it back from her.
[Focus General] TestTest69:
I originally I started out with the Att 8525, then moved on to the HTC Fuze, which was a great phone but I had some issues with it, after years of hardwork and abuse, so I needed to get a new phone. I eneded up getting the HTC Aria but I wasnt happy with the Android OS, so I just bought a Samsung Focus.

Now AT&T is releasing the HTC HD7s in a few weeks, so im thinking should I return the focus and just wait for the HTC HD7s instead?

The only complaint I have about the focus is the bluetooth dips in and out when I use it in my car.

Just want some thoughts and input on this, Thanks
[Focus General] ratchetjaw:
I had the Hd7 on tmob and have a focus now. I prefer the focus for its screen and size. Both run about the same other than that. I would go in and put the focus up next to the Inspire ( Inspires screen is a little better than the tmob hd7 imho) but will give you an idea of size difference. All the rest will be the same with the exception of nodo lol. Not sure if we will ever get it :D and the hd7s comes with it
[Focus General] Tempest790:
I love my Focus, but the S-LCD on the HD7 should give comparible performance. However, I think AT&T should start carrying more models with a hardware keyboard as well. The LG Quantum isn't bad, but it's not for me. I'm waiting on something similar to the HD 7 Pro.

HD 7 Pro, S-LCD screen, HSPA+ or LTE = perfection (or close to it).