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[General Topics] SLG951:
T-mobile to keep pricing plan

CEO of AT&T announced that T-mobile keep there current pricing scale!! This is awesome news! I don't want to pay out the ass for an AT&T contact.

http://androidspin.com/2011/03/23/a...ll-get-to-keep-its-current-pricing-structure/

Sent from a satellite
[General Topics] quicksite:
Why wont they allow it? one if the forums here is off-topic subjects, so help me understand the conflict please?

how is it any different than when someone starts a thread about a defective accessory that hundreds of people use, that cuts across multiple phone devices?

how is it different than tons if threads and comments a year ago about google, t-mobile and nexus one... and people writing to say what incentive deal they got or did NOT get from Tmo?

i'm even confused why it would be that different from THIS thread? if anything it follows usability design standards and principles re "topic focus". so what am I missing? ... ? it's just data gathering and same thing we always do: collaborative filtering and quality assurance to make sure things are what they say they are, as community watchdogs against any possible rip-off.
[General Topics] jellette:
Very good news indeed.
[General Topics] s15274n:
I have doubts.. just a discussion while at a conference, no press release or anything official.

The FAQ by T-Mo said that up until the merger they are a direct competitor and up until then merger would maintain it's competitive pricing, BUT once the merger happened the decision would be AT&T's about pricing, etc.

I do not trust AT&T and the idea of them juggling mutliple plans seems doubtful.

Does the Vibrant support both bands for AT&T and T-Mo... we do not get their 3G do we?
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
I agree.

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[General Topics] jellette:
No. And thats why I dumped my iphone. couldnt get 3g on tmo with it because of the different bands.
[General Topics] dani26286:
my thoughts exactly, but ive been dismissed a couple of times from trying to start something simillar, insulted, mocked and censored. im just speaking frim my own experience...

thia one xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=999255 , was closed do to a similar one they say, that i didnt even notice...most probably cuz of server issues , and this one xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=998636&page=5 was closed, and reopened.

(update: IT GOT CLOSED AGAIN!)

so, what is the logical conclusion to this, if i may ask?
[General Topics] SLG951:
It was said that we would need to buy new 3g phones once the merger happens
[General Topics] s15274n:
The "new" phones support both bands, so they will be fine.
[General Topics] CrackerJacks:
Ya I saw that too. AT&T did buy Tmobile but I don't know when they are going to merge.
[General Topics] mrsbelpit:
Yeah, they are FOS. And ATT speeds aren't even worth Tmobile prices, let alone ATT prices.

Does anyone really believe that they will operate seperately when and if this goes through? I keep seeing different stuff everywhere on the net about this.
[General Topics] Phateless:
This looks easy. :)

Android (MY Touch, G1, MOTO Cliq & Behold 2) - Internet

Internet
Press the menu.
Tap Settings.
Tap Wireless Controls or Wireless & Networks..
Tap Mobile Networks.
Check that:
"Data Roaming" and "Use Only 2G Networks" are both unchecked.
ETap Access Point Names.
Press the menu button.
Select New APN.

Name: Simple Mobile
APN: simple
proxy: 216.155.165.050
Port: 8080
Username: [empty]
Password: [empty]
Server: [empty]
MMSC: http://smpl.mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMSProxy:[empty]
MMS Port: [empty]
MCC: 310
MNC: 260
APN Type: [Not set]
For Samsung Behold II press #*87927#

Google Nexus One

Internet Setup
Enter the following details:
APN: Simple
Proxy: 216.155.165.50
Port: 8080
Username: not set
Password: not set
Server: not set
MMSC: http://smpl.mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS Proxy: 216.155.165.50
MMS port: 8080
MCC: 310
MNC: 260
Authentication type: PAP
APN Type: not set
[General Topics] Tarzanman:
You guys are being a bit naive. They said that T-mobile could keep its pricing structure. They did *not* say:

• For how long

• At what level of service

• Whether this only applies to customers on contract

What I see happening is this:

Customers will be given an option to either:

• Select a free phone at their current level of 3G (HSPA+ is 3G) service

• Pay a very low price for a high-end smart phone and start a new 2-year agreement with AT&T plans/rates.

What they will NOT do is allow people to switch to T-mobile's lower-priced "Even More Plus" plans, or any plans that include unlimited data. I expect the only people who will be able to keep their lower priced plans are folks who opt to get 'grandfathered in' and keep their current level of 3G service

Make no mistake, there is a new tier of plans coming with LTE. Once AT&T has more subscribers than Verizon, then will no doubt charge Verizon's prices and pin the blame on overhead.
[General Topics] pparks76:
Pretty sure AT&T wants your cash more than anything

I think the first sign of things to come will be when our plans are up. Also I would watch to see what happens in the next few months or so to the pricing points that are already in place. with AT&T having a 41% market share when this goes through I dont see them "caring" about the customer too much more any time soon.
[General Topics] duandroid:
This will be interesting to see how it pans out.

I think it in the end it will be good for all customers but will have to wait and see where it goes.
[General Topics] Babydollll:
This is slightly off topic from the title of this thread. I apologize to @alanrocks15. But to address what you said, the problem I have is, knowing that this whole deal too close will take at least a year and even if AT&T extends the use of AWS bands for prior T-mobile customers for an additional year after that both my N1 and NS will be useless after that. I like being able to switch back and forth between them. Also, as soon as I upgrade to a phone that will work on AT&T gsm bands, I will be forced to change rate plans from my original one I had at the time of the merger. This is not something I am looking forward too.

Sent from either my Nexus S, N1 or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.
[General Topics] Babydollll:
They are only staying as an independent provider until the deal is approved and the merger is complete in about a year. You are foolish to think otherwise.

Sent from either my Nexus S, N1 or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.
[General Topics] dani26286:
agreed. let the revolution of brains begin!

^_^
[General Topics] SykesAT:
They will keep the pricing until

- you need a new contract due to phone upgrade or other reason

- want to add a feature eg LTE

Don't believe the marketing. ATT will say just about anything to make this deal work, just look at the price they are willing to pay, more than t-mo is worth.
[General Topics] Phateless:
I will stay with T-mobile until the day their homepage redirects to AT&T. Then I'm gone.
[General Topics] caffeinated chris:
that's pretty sick. never heard of them. I might have to check them out once this AT$Tmobile deal goes thru.

speaking of, we need to come up with a universal name for this.

TATT?

AT&T-mobile?

money hungry bastards?

just some ideas haha.
[General Topics] Joy2DaWurld:
Absolutely.

Currently I'm on a T-Mobile Family Plan (with Fave 5 -- that is no longer retailed), unlimited family messaging ($10), unlimited Android data for multiple Vibrants ($20 each). I know for a fact that AT&T's unlimited messaging for families is no where in the same price range. Fave 5 is not even available to AT&T, to any extent. T-Mobile service and pricing has been fantastic for me. I don't believe the same will reside once I upgrade or get a new contract with "AT&T-Mobile."
[General Topics] mrsbelpit:
Vibrant has the 1900 band, and ATT operates on the 850 and 1900 depending on area so your Vibrant may get ATT 3g if you are in an att 1900 area.

http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
[General Topics] masterotaku:
Just so everyone is clear this deal is all about T-Mobile's AWS spectrum licenses, and not just the typical gains in profitability and profit stability to be had from increased customer count.

Any changes will come after the buyout is approved, and after customers existing contracts expire. Statements being made today are merely being made to quell the noise. Once the merger goes through (likely given the DOJ and FCC's demonstrated inability to do their jobs) and contracts expire, all bets are off as is always the case with companies and contracts.
[General Topics] mrsbelpit:
I'd go with Simple mobile, but shouldn't we be concerned that they use Tmo bands? I mean, even if att comes to an agreement w them, wouldn't the bands need to change?
[General Topics] NotATreoFan:
Don't count on this. In addition to giving up territory to AT&T during the Alltel acquisition, Verizon was also required (by the FCC) to keep Alltel customers on their original plans for any long as there are devices to support it. In the case of AT&T-Mobile, until the frequencies are modified to use 1700MHz for LTE, all existing T-Mobile plans will likely continue to exist.
[General Topics] Tarzanman:
Amen.

Even if AT&T reneges on some of its promises after the merger is complete, the worst they would realistically face is a lawsuit requiring them to either pay a fine or divest a pittance of their assets or interests.

The spectrum lease is what they are after, and it would extremely difficult for the government to take it back from them since it was awarded and acquired legally.

Long story short: Eminent domain (and her intangible cousins) are only concerns for poor people like you and me. Congress doesn't have the guts to stick to a large corporation because those are the guys throwing millions of dollars at them every year.

Look at BP. They POISONED THE GULF OF MEXICO with oil for like 3 months and the US Govt. was like "hey, just clean it up and pay some of the locals off and we'll let you get back to business as usual".
[General Topics] malickie:
Not necessarily even if the bands did change it would take years to do it and most likely simple mobile would attempt to buy the towers and or just switch it with the changes. I mean really look at how slow ATT is at developing anything new.
[General Topics] epakrat75:
Cool! Now all we need is proper homonym usage of They're / There / Their. J/K. :p Paying out the ass is painful I'd imagine. :D

Seriously though, I've been wondering if after the network change over whether simply inserting an activated AT&T sim into the Vibrant and flashing a captivate modem would work.
[General Topics] Dr.8820:
Not true. My sister had Alltel, Verizon let her keep her plan for 2 years..then she had to get a Verizon phone and plan.

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[General Topics] turbosix:
since when? i've seen multiple people on XDA with working 3g using vibrants on ATT
[General Topics] xriderx66:
s15, sorry for the question i think its been answered, but i want it clarified, and who else on this section is better than you :D

So once the merger happens... All TMO customers will be required to BUY a new phone? Can the Vibrant support ATT 3G? Will just the vibrant and a few others have to get new phones?
[General Topics] javolin13:
T-Mobile Gone Wild!

Has anyone noticed, that within the past 6 months and looking forward this year, T-mobile is now starting to "hear" peoples pleas for better phones and devices. I have looked at engadget, and just t-mobiles plans in general for future device releases and we are getting some pretty kick@ss phones... its too bad AT&T may take over such a great phone provider which only seems to be getting better with time.

Hopefully the merger does get axed and tmobile us lives on. I think its only great things ahead for this company with the way they're currently going.
[General Topics] caffeinated chris:
i second that! simple mobile seems pretty sweet
[General Topics] }{Alienz}{:
I completely agree. T-Mobile is now better than ever. Really sad about the merger. :(
[General Topics] caffeinated chris:
^^ hahahahaha so true. they used to be the best, and slloowwwllyy dropped to the worst and slowest haha
[General Topics] intruda119:
Y'all understand that the merger is not Complete.
[General Topics] beastliest:
The end of t-zones? NOOOOOOO...
[General Topics] d01100100:
From AP article - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_hi_te/us_at_t_t_mobile_usa_phones

"The airwaves they use for third-generation services, or 3G, will be repurposed for 4G, which is faster."

So all current T-Mobile 3G spectrum will be repurposed by AT&T for their 4G technology.

I have yet to see a FAQ on how people who are currently locked into their current contracts can get out of them. For people who refreshed or bought Vibrants with a 2 year contact will still be under contract in 1 year when this deal is expected to finalize.

According to the terms of the TMO contract - http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true

#5 YOU MAY CANCEL THE AFFECTED LINE OF SERVICE WITHOUT AN EARLY TERMINATION FEE (if applicable) IF: (A) WE CHANGE YOUR PRICING IN A MANNER THAT MATERIALLY INCREASES YOUR MONTHLY RECURRING CHARGE(S) (the amount you agreed to pay each month for voice, data and messaging, which does not include overage, pay-per-use or optional services (such as 411, or downloads), or taxes and fees);

Any change to pricing means I can cancel with no ETF according to the specific wording of the contract.
[General Topics] NotATreoFan:
I don't know if that was a unique circumstance, but I have several relatives in Florida that still have Alltel Touch Pro's.
[General Topics] jaidedfocus:
At one point I used to think AT&T was the carrier to be with but my opinion has changed. They offer a horrible selection of phones and other than the iPhone their selection is not that great. Sure they have a few Android phones but they find a way to cripple them by blocking sideloading of apps lol. They try to block you from doing the stuff that me, as a person who has my HD2 for almost a year now, has loved doing. Tinkering, changing ROMS on a weekly basis, putting every crazy app I could on to it and my unlimited data plan which I grandfathered in before T-Mo started changing plans.

My only hope is they see some of the good qualities T-Mobile has to offer and decide that keeping some of their business strategies in tact makes sense. At this time, I'm going to wait before I jump ship. Right now T-Mobile has been offering a lot of good phones and their line up this year should be pretty sweet :D so if the deal goes through and my contract gets changed, I'm jumping ship with my phone to Verizon lol. If the deal does not go through then T-Mobile gets a cool $3bil to go their own way and some of AT&T's towers to boot :p
[General Topics] hackersdoom13:
PROS:

Bigger network and thats it!!!!!

CONS:

* Slower Network

I need not explain the ****ty internet speeds on an iPhone 4 running on the AT&T network. My friend says the speed browsing is ****ing slower tha na snail.

* No plans to have a "real" 4G network

While LTE is touted as 4G is is not. "Advanced LTE" /might/ become 4G. And while all of that might sound comforting, it isn't. As LTE uses the 700Mhz frequency, it is limited by the FCC as that frequency is congested in this county. Experts estimate no more that a 15Mbps attainable speed using LTE. While HSPA+ is already achieving speeds significantly greater than that, HERE within the states.

* More Expensive pans in every category

AT&T has been known to charge an arm and a leg for everything.

The cheapest AT&T (talk+txt+web) is $69 for non-smartphone, and $75 for smartphones

The cheapest T-Mobile (talk+txt+web) is $59 (regardless if you have a smartphone)

* Higher prices for fees

Fees, fees, and more fees. Same with Verizon. im switching to sprint or verizon or something if this happens.

* Data Cap on smartphones

2GB isn't even enough for my grandma

* Congested Network

The network is congested with iPhone users and AT&T has yet to upgrade their network

* No iPhone upfront

At first, T-Mobile will operate as an independent company, so T-Mobile customers won't have any option of getting an iPhone any time soon

* Eventual shutdown, and absorption of T-Mobile

See Cingular

* Pro-Monopoly Cooperation

They bought Cingular, then made it defunct

They bought Bellsouth and made in defunct

They bought back over half the companies they were spun off to prevent a monopoly

* AT&T's logo resembles the Death Star

Everyone knows that AT&T is evil like the Galactic Empire

* No more unlocking services for overseas usage

T-Mobile offers free unlocking services with almost all of their phones. Since they are a European company, they understand this necessity. All AT&T understands is that they need to be a monopoly again.

* Poor support for Android (ex: G1, Nexus One, Evo, Droid, etc)

AT&T has the iPhone and doesn't need other phones competing with it

this is why money is evil in this messed up worldd.. i hope someone buys at&t and throws it in the trasshh. i heard a lot of stories saying there customer servicesss sucks
[General Topics] Phateless:
Added "T-mobile" to the news and weather widget and saw this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-lobbying-clout/2011/03/23/ABxzvlJB_blog.html
[General Topics] oka1:
Of Course it will take time but FINALLY we get a real decent alternative to ATT and Verizon and then WHAM !! now this.........
[General Topics] laoruga:
avoiding ATT for years since a bad expirience about 8 years ago and now this S#$t no way here in PR ATT sucks.....
[General Topics] Cartigan:
Yeah it is. Politicians are going to hem and haw about the destruction of competition for a few months and then they are going to pass it. They let NBC Universal merge with Comcast for frak's sake. You think they are going to block AT&T - T-Mobile? No.
[General Topics] ZX3ZX4:
Ten years ago I had several bad experiences with AT&T, including them trying to screw me over in a billing matter. I worked my way through many incompetent customer service reps who were not very bright, sometime hostile, and also totally unempowered to do anything to retain a customer. I finally wrote a polite letter to their CEO patiently explaining to them that, if they wouldn't fix it, I was canceling everything: Internet access, land line, and cell service. This triggered a call from one of the CEO's VPs...who professed to be unable to do anything but cut the cost of the $150 disagreement in half. So I canceled. Three months later these morons were writing me letters offering hundreds of dollars of incentives if I just returned. I vowed never to do business with them again.

If this deal goes through, I don't know exactly what AT&T will do about our TMo plans, but I can guarantee it won't be something that will make you happy. One of the reasons I have stayed with TMo for years is their good customer service; AT&T is at the opposite end of the spectrum, and will destroy the main reason I have been a TMo fan. With AT&T, the only thing I have confidence in is their ability and willingness to screw customers. I'll be ready to bail to another company when this mess coalesces.
[General Topics] Babydollll:
At most they will allow you to keep your current plan until the contract is up. Those on flex pay or month to month may not be so lucky. Also once the bands used by T-mobile are repurposed for LTE count on your current T-mobile device being obsolete.

Sent from either my Nexus S, N1 or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.
[General Topics] Dr.8820:
Bottom line is ATT did this for the towers, they could care less if Tmobile people leave.

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[General Topics] jcruiser89:
signed....... I'm glad I am not with tmo, i left att years ago cause of their outrageous pricing. I feel bad for all those tmo customers who will have worthless phones and need to sign a new contract when att turns off those frequency's.
[General Topics] MadJoe:
Exactly!!!
[General Topics] Androidboy35961:
AT&T is hungry for towers..lol
[General Topics] Dr.8820:
It takes about 5 years to get approval to build a tower....or 1 year to buy a company with the towers!

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[General Topics] Tohsh:
Verizon + Sprint now?
[General Topics] xriderx66:
Thats all i needed to know, really.. THANKs!
[General Topics] I Am Marino:
Not a chance.

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[General Topics] Scoobyracing03:
I was an AT&T wireless customer for 4+ years prior to switching to T-mobile this past August. I've also been an AT&T DSL customer for 4+ years. with the DSL they came out with cheaper prices and I called to get them to give me the price they were now advertising and I was told I couldn't get it. It was for new customers only. So I canceled, and since that is the only broadband option in the area my old lady called up and got it in her name with the new pricing. the day after she set it up I got a letter in the mail from them asking me to come back and saying it would be at the new pricing I was requesting to begin with. Even though it's been 6 months I keep getting letters every few weeks asking me to come back. As for the wireless side of it, we had a family plan with 2 lines both iPhones unlimited data unlimited text and 700 minutes with rollover. We were eligible for an upgrade and so we went and picked out the Captive and we were about to have them activate the new phones and sign the contract and the salesman informed us we were being switched from the unlimited data to the 2GB data plan since unlimited was no longer offered. he then said if we went over the 2GB we would be automatically charged for another GB of data costing $15. I asked to talk with the store manager and he said there was nothing he could do it was policy to change the data plans as people upgraded. (This will happen to all T-mobile people when they upgrade) On average we used about 1.5GB per month some months we had a little over 2GB on each phone used. It's not like we were tethering both phones and downloading 20GB a month or anything. I've also read that AT&T is now going after people who are tethering their phones and charging them for doing so. If the merger does end up happening. I will probably cancel early if it's before my contract is up and join Sprint and sell both Vibrants to help pay the ETF.
[General Topics] lainvalenajr:
S

Yes also the same reason I left AT&T because of the price.
[General Topics] ColorNapkin:
Amen.

My mother-in-law has been in a battle with AT&T for more than 6 months, and she's getting ready to take them to court over it. Last year AT&T Phone Service disconnected her line for $300 that were supposedly past due. She did have a bill like that at a time but she paid it from her bank through their bill pay. Well, AT&T said they never received the payment and so she asked the bank to deal with them. The bank did, and the service was restored.

Two weeks later, the charge shows up again on her account and on her bill. She speaks to several useless reps who tell her it's not there and she needs to send proof. Again, the bank sends them a fax of proof of payment but this time they don't even acknowledge it. Each time she hangs up with them a supervisor personally tells her he will "personally take care of this issue." Bull****, each time a fax is sent they say they never receive it. So now she owes way more than they say she owes because she has not been paying any of the interest that has been collecting.

This is the type of **** I refuse to put up with it. I've said it throughout my entire adult life and I'll say it again now: I refuse to be an AT&T customer.
[General Topics] bigsapz:
Maybe 2 crap networks make one good one? ;-)

sent from my Ultimate 2.33 Incredible
[General Topics] Longcat14:
Jesus christ, that happened?

How much does a Vibrant go for on eBay? I'm going to Sprint NOW.
[General Topics] :
T-Mobile will keep those prices until about 6 months after the merger.
[General Topics] fllbrent:
It's possible... :p
[General Topics] rjgreen3:
Doesn't matter going to Verizon if deal goes through