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[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
New users get intimidated by the crap that goes on sometimes. It's not the most welcoming of environments at times. Even people that have been here for a while but never post because they are afraid of getting flamed for asking a question.

I think there is a a ton great people here. As off topic as this may be I actually brag about you guys. A lot of people have picked up the cause and are helping spread Autism Awareness in their own way. This is a technology site and people are responding by showing compassion, understanding and support. I always use this community as a great example of how Autism Awareness can spread in the most unlikely places. I want to thank all of you for that.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
I was just talking about you today... In a good way. Thanks for the support...
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Oh, I'm so much more!!! :p I mod all of these forums: HTC EVO Shift 4G, HTC Tornado, Motorola Droid 2, Motorola Droid Pro, Motorola Flipout, Motorola Xoom, Samsung Epic 4G, Samsung Nexus S, Viewsonic G Tablet, ZTE Blade. Now you see why I need your help keeping things tidy? That's a bunch of work ;)
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
I definitely agree on this aspect, all too often people seem to forget that the devs here aren't just sitting in a basement coding, they have jobs and lives of their own.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
oh, my apologies! I wasn't aware. Dang...that's a lot of forums! Great work Impaler xD

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] Robyn25:
I have to agree, as you can see I am new to the site and it is very intimidating. I have already come across a few threads where someone is asking for help and maybe they eventually get it, but at first they get a bunch of gripes because it isn't posted right or they didn't search. I know we should use search, but just because it has been said before doesn't mean its easy to find. I am not griping I'm just agreeing that you have very good points.

Personally this site has been a big help to me. Through this site and another (don't know if I should name it) I was able to root my phone and put on the Syndicate Rom which I love! I barely made a post at all even on the other site till I rooted because I was afraid to ask, then I decided who cares. I want to learn so I am gonna read all I can and ask if I can't find the answer myself.

I know its annoying to you experienced guys, but everyone has to start somewhere. I'm scared I'm gonna mess something up tinkering with my phone but I just couldn't fight off the rooting and custom rom bug any longer! I can only hope if I follow directions exactly then it will be ok, and that if I do mess it up someone at one of these wonderful sites will be here to help me pick up the pieces.

Thanks for letting me be a part of the community.
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
Holy crap... do you get paid to do that?
[Epic 4G General] gtuansdiamm:
I would love to thank you devs but i am not home that often so i primarillay use the app on my phone. This is actually my biggest complaint for this app. Instead of pushing that button i manually type it out. Thanks for your time and effort and i do acknolage that you guys use the time you could relax and nap to give us the better experience that smasung failed to deliver
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
I have cried on my pillow every night since joining this community.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Nope :) all out of devotion for XDA :D
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
Online communities and volunteerism are great lessons in how to exact loyalty and free labor from people. :D
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
Exactly. People like Impaler providing service for the satisfaction of others is more of what we need in a world like today. Nice to know not everyone that has some form of leadership and power is greedy for money :)

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] musclehead84:
Wow Impaler that must be alot of work. I think you do an awesome job in what you do. If people would follow the rules it would make your job alot easier. Out of all the different forums you.mod I bet this one is the worse. This can be such a great community. I love being on here and helping people out and learning. You know what makes.me the happiest is seeing new developers show up like Philips with team Viper. I think its really cool that he made his first rom and I'm sure he will make plenty more. Maybe hopefully when.I.finish.school I can contribute to the.community too. So that noob that you are flaming about a question now might just end up being an awesome developer.

Sent From My Evo Killer!
[Epic 4G General] :
CRAP! I'm out of thanks for the day! Thanks Musclehead!
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Thanks man, I appreciate it :) I bet you become a great developer :D

Sent from a truly Epic phone on the XDA Premium app ;)
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
I will once again build on my first post in this thread. The people who bring down a community, the true trolls, are a special specific breed of people. They cannot be rehabilitated in this limited context.

While your thread is feel good, it will have no effect on these vocal minorities that prowl about for things to destroy and complain about. As you alluded to, antagonists operate from a sense of entitlement. They thrive on negativity and destruction. They exist in all organizations be it churches, workplaces, and families. A CEO was once asked at a company picnic why his employees were so genuinely positive? "Because I fired the negative ones."

When I first joined this community in January, the Epic 4G forums had no moderators. The assigned one was 'retired'. I had to notify the Forum Admin directly to get flame wars ended. With the assignment of theimpaler in February (and Froyo), duplicate threads and trolls have declined significantly.

In conclusion, the most effective solution to this problem is to add more moderators and *publicly* punish bad behavior with infractions and bans.
[Epic 4G General] || Acer ||:
Was is this, a court trial and a Wikipedia description of trolls? XD

No I'm jk, I agree with you on mosr parts, however publicly punishing them is not a good idea. First of all, that will cause tension between the trolls and other trolls that make fun of the one who is being punished. Second, public humiliation even through the internet is an immature way to handle a troll, and shouldn't be dealt with in a way that stoops to their level. Otherwise, though, your statements are correct

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
Hey thanks. My wife is an Autism Educator.
[Epic 4G General] dbx097:
Very well stated, my friend! All of it... Much gratitude for all your hard work!
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
Look. I do not mean something like displaying trolls in the stocks for us to throw rotten food at. :p

As of now, flamewars are deleted by moderators. Nobody sees them, so lessons cannot be learned. And if you were the flamer, your idiocy has now been washed away. How about just lock the thread with a warning and leave it for others to see what NOT to do.

Or if it is just one offending post, the moderator should quote and reply with a clearly marked warning to discontinue.

If the post has vulgar language or other gross violation, the moderator should directly edit the post and insert a warning.

Repeat offenders should be issued forum infractions with reductions in forum privileges and bans as needed depending on the severity of the violation.

Any disagreement or questioning of above instances should NOT be discussed publicly or replied to in the offending thread. Direct inquiries to the moderator involved.
[Epic 4G General] Jayavarman:
Or ban him. ;)

Sock puppets should not be tolerated.
[Epic 4G General] worldwidepmp:
He does well with proxies, banning doesn't help.
[Epic 4G General] Top Nurse:
I see what you mean. The best solution is for the admins to integrate a great vBulletin idea of the twit list. You add twit's to your list and their offensive posts don't show in your feeds anymore. I think it grew in disfavor due to it being server intensive. The same guy you referred to tried to intimidate me earlier today with threats of violence.

I am one of those persons who was once accused of trolling a certain water cooling forum. The difference with me is that I grew up and decided I needed less attention. I also learned that my actions are not predicated on what others do and don't do.

The pic of the guy in the pillory cracked me up because most people subjected to such a punishment learn really fast to be nice to others. Those who didn't learn were thrown out of villages to fend on their own which usually meant living like an animal or dying.

Just don't feed the trolls...

Sent from Bonsai 6.0.3
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Continue to produce the best possible ROMs for the users, along with my team, and encourage cooperation between developers. :)

(Bit late to this thread, but even devs need sleep.)
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Thanks for the post, BT. I'm chronically lazy and get tons of PMs as is, but you should join us in the IRC channel in my signature some time. nubecoder and Rodderik hang out with us there.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Good thread, with quite a few bits of useful advice

One thing I wondered, is if it would be possible for Devs to be mods over their own specific Kernel/ROM threads.

That way they could get rid of anything the specific dev doesnt want, even if it is only the power to delete a post.
[Epic 4G General] rgregg504:
That's a great idea rarely do I see the revs actually start a flame war usually they just chime in to defend the free software that somebody is unhappy with. If that was possible it would at least keep the developer section cleaner and lighten a little of the load on the nods.
[Epic 4G General] Xenplex:
True words!
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
First off let me say this. I was personally disturbed by a recent thread where you were singled out. I don't understand why people take this so seriously and stoop to personal attacks. I was PM's by tphillips the other day. He wanted to introduce himself and said he was taking for you. You'll have to forgive me because I did realize yet that you had left (I have a lot going on outside of here so I don't always pay attention, nothing personal). I wanted to share this and I hope you don't mind. I asked what had happened and why you were leaving. He explained that you were deployed to Japan to help with the relief effort. I have to say I have nothing but respect for you.

One of my beta testers is active military and disappeared for a while during one of the betas. Turns out he was deployed on a mission as well. We as members of this community very often fail to remember that developers, users and mods are actually people in real life. As I have pointed out a few times now, there are things going on around us MUCH, MUCH bigger then a stupid ROM for a phone that will only be in our lives for a few moments.

I may be creative in what I do with my ROMS but I never consider myself in the same league as dev. like you, k0nane, Mammon, Randy,Dameon, Noobnl or schizopunk. You and k0nane have both stopped by my thread to pay me compliments and that felt awesome to have people like you guys pay me a compliment. Randy and Mammon brought me into the bonsai fold and allowed me early access to their amazing work.

The point is that who we see here in the forums may not be a reflection of who we are in real life. I personally find it disgusting that someone can attack you on a personal level (regardless or whatever may or may not have happened here in the past) and in real life you are aiding those involved in one of humanities greatest natural disasters. My friend megabiteg is active military having served more then one tour in Iraq and yet in his free time wants to help tests my ROM's.

We are far to quick to judge people here. I have to say that I have witnessed k0nane handle problem people in problem threads with great class. I've seen this many times. That is a great example of how we should be in this community.

Everyone PLEASE just try to remember that what we do here we do despite everything else we have going on in our personal lives. Trust me when I say it isn't always easy. Maybe you don't agree with a developers decision to host of site or a direction they have taken their development and that's fine. At least show the person behind the development some respect. You never know what they are doing in their real lives. As it turns out some of them are LITERALLY risking their lives for us. The least we can do is show some respect.

I didn't reread this and I haven't slept much in the past few days but I think this made sense.If not I fix it later.....

Climbing of the soapbox

Rob
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Ignoring Mr. Sock Puppet that got deleted - here's another suggestion. #epic's a great place to hang out, but if we want to encourage developer cooperation, why not a channel for devs only? It could help cut down on clutter. Just a thought.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
Thanks. You're right.... Long night... Thanks again....
[Epic 4G General] XtaC318:
It's me that should be thanking you (:

I like this idea; but currently I'm NOT a developer but am self teaching myself and as you can see.. tend to keep to myself because I'm not very well known :)

I currently idle the current droid-life irc channel and listen in to developers as they discuss things they're working on aiding my learning process.. simply because new fresh information is a lot better than information thats been sitting around for a few months.
[Epic 4G General] searchfirst:
This forum has helped me take my first samsung phone and truly out perform any other device I've come face to face with. I have been with XDA and flashed roms on the htc diamond,hero,evo and epic. The work the devs are doing is nothing short of amazing. They way I look at it is we have people giving up a lot of their own time, no doubt they are perfecting a craft. Sometimes they place a donate button if you really do like the work other times they are asking to follow the rules or thank them. The devs are the reason we are here. Seriously, would you want to help someone that doesn't listen or even worse bad mouths you? The devs have done a lot to and deserve to be treated higher then someone such as myself who is only testing these tweaks and roms. I don't post for one reason, the backlash. Every problem I had I fixed with a search or yes reading through 80 - 200 pages of threads to find something I yes I needed. Control f is your friend on windows srry I do not have mac. You don't have to read thbe entire page to see that it doesnt have the info you need, which brings up my last point if we didn't post all willy nilly and truly sought out our own answers the dev threads will be much shorter making the search feature more effective. I guess my bottomline is if your not willing to work why would/should someone else be, in most cases they already put in more effort than us. Thank you to all the devs I agree a chat or forum just for you guys to post and share ideas would be ideal I also understand that xda has created a very unifrom effect on all of its boards. Its up to us to create a better enviorment. I will try to post helpful info and point questions that have the answers in the right direction.

Sent from my Premium XDA app, a small contribution to a wonderful place. I pledge to always be respectful and remind myself that everything here is free and always under construction(even in a final release).
[Epic 4G General] egzthunder1:
Ok guys and gals,

I cleaned up this, otherwise very nice thread from all the trolling started off by a certain user whom I will not single out. If your post got deleted, more than likely was adding fuel to the fire/feeding the troll or you just kept on quoting him :p

Keep it clean fellas!
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Thanks for the assist, Mr. Moderator!
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
YES! !

Sent from my mind using telepathitalk
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
Re: Self-help and searching

Like many (most?) I do my due-diligence and always put in some not-insignificant time searching and reading first to try and find answers... not just on xda, but across the internet generally.

Occasionally, perhaps one time in ten out so, I can't narrow the search enough to reasonably find the answer, or it isn't already out there. I have no way of knowing which.

So I post and ask.

And every once in awhile, get flamed.

The people that have the answer, but ignore my post out of exhaustion with the issue I understand, and take no issue with.

It's those that would rather expend effort flaming, rather than answering the question, that draw my attention. A willingness to spend what effort flaming, when arguably the same our less effort could have been used simply to answer, says a lot about the person, their manners, integrity, maturity, and basic social skills, not to mention their suitability to be part of a community whose founding principle and reason for being formed in the first place is to HELP each other. XDA wasn't created as some sort of Fight Club, a place to vent on others. There ARE places on the internet created for that (nonsense)... go there.

In the interest of improving this situation, when I know I'm having to post under these circumstances I will include a brief sentence on the search terms I tried on xda as well as the question, and maybe get some enlightenment on searching better too.

In the mean time, a tiny bit of lecturing, and one flame I just can't resist: If you don't want to answer a question, for whatever reason, simply don't. No one condemns you for that.

However, if you're willing to put in any effort ay all responding, answer the question, don't post simply to flame the questioner. The latter is truly pathetic, and for many of us far more annoying than a basic question asked repeatedly.

Sent from my mind using telepathitalk
[Epic 4G General] Blankrubber:
Wow. Well said. If I had money I'd donate just for saying what you said. Even if I do have to reflash/redownload/reformat/reinstall blah blah blah every couple weeks because of an issue with a Rom/kernel I'm using, I am still very thankful for the people/developers who make all this **** possible.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
What do you guys think we can do to help improve the environment here in the Epic community? Is there something the developers can do to lead the charge..so to speak? I would love to see a more people participating and for that we need to make it friendlier. Any ideas?
[Epic 4G General] 063_XOBX:
I feel like having a nice BIG sticky in every section telling people how to use ODIN would prevent 1/3 of the unnecessary threads.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
What about a how to video? I have one up for the odining the EC05 modem.....

Great point.....
[Epic 4G General] :
How-To videos go a long long way with people. I know myself when I was first starting off I went to youtube and searched how-to root samsung epic 4g and came across a video by a gentleman known as Randyshear. His videos were gold to me when I was starting off. The visual aspect of a process is more valuable than reading and following directions. The only problem with videos is that they take a while to create and they can only be 15 minutes on youtube at least. But I for one would love to make some how-to videos. I haven't heard from Randyshear lately so I don't know if he's still making his videos. I know I have made some in the past but it was mostly showing off the ROM and benchmarks and extras. So sign me up for making how-to videos for what ever it may be whether its Rooting, Flashing or using ODIN I would love to contribute in any sort of way to make this community stronger and more resourceful.
[Epic 4G General] qbking77:
I'm thinking about just making a bunch of how to's for the epic wth odin, root, anything else anyone wants.... just comment on here or send me a pm of a how to video you would like to see. Ill put it all on one youtube channel. As of now ill make an odin video, a 2.5 root and a 3.0 root... let me know what you guys want!
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
I have a bunch already.. I'll post the videos when I get a chance. Great feedback.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
Someone brought up that fact that developers are using their own of XDA sites more and more often. Is this a source of frustration for many of you or just a vocal few. Perhaps by constructively sharing your thoughts we can come up with a solution or just a better understanding of why the off XDA sites are used......
[Epic 4G General] dazednconfused:
It should be their right to have their own sites. I don't mind going to your site or any other developers site. I actually like going to a developers own personal site, because I think you get a lot more information that way. People don't understand that you are doing all or this and we are getting all of the benefits for FREE. Yes you may make get some donations along the way, but I know your not getting rich on what you are receiving. People should actually have to pay for what you guys are doing for us. I mean it's amazing what you all can do with these phones. Not too long ago, I was just happy to find a cool looking wallpaper for my phone or a cool sounding ringtone, and now look at the things that my phone can do.

I say keep your sites going and if people don't like it, then they don't need to download the awesome work that you all are doing to make us happy. There are a lot of us, actually the majority of us, that do appreciate all of the hard work that you and all of the other developers on this site do for us. I've done got links for Lost and Tired, Bonsai and ViperRom saved in my favorites. People should actually check the sites out more than just when something new is coming out for them to download for FREE.

Thanks again for everything that you all do. Keep up the awesome work!
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
It's actually against XDA rules to do so, so it's not simply an opinion or preference here ;)
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
Has XDA ever thought of adding a hosting service...or allowing the developers a bit more control over their threads. This might help to eliminate some of the frustration from the developers and also unburden the mods a little bit.
[Epic 4G General] theimpaler747:
Actually, registered developers have more privileges; see the announcement for more info ;) :)
[Epic 4G General] eslogic:
well. i dont know the rules extensively, but i look at it this way. XDA is mum and pops, and the DEvs are the children, sooner or later they have to move out. and XDA, being there original home, should have there doors open for there children. but if the kids have a huge attitude problem.... then well..... *Slam*

Just and opinion.

And ptfdmedic, i've noticed you've been getting a little deeper into arguing/defending. i hope you dont get lost in this Game of words. I as well as many others respect you. It must be frustrating as a DEV to have to deal with people like that day after day. With all of the stresses in your life, i hope XDA/developing doesn't become one. Thank you for all you've done, and constantly giving to us.
[Epic 4G General] ptfdmedic:
I make mistakes like everyone else. I really do try to stay out most of the time or try to redirect the topic. Sometimes it gets the better of me and I get caught up in defending more then arguing I think. Either way it's not productive.... Some people (no one in particular) just have a way of getting under my skin.

Perhaps it would help if the developers shared more details about exactly what goes into the development process (time and effort). Maybe if people had a better understanding of all that goes into it they would not be so quick to complain about things. Maybe?