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[HTC Inspire 4G] rubyv:
I know that they are supposed to come with 4 gigs of memory. My phone its is telling me have have under a gig. Now, I haven't had out long and I only have a few apps. Could myes rooted rom take up all the available space? Or is there's another source? Thanks!
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
I think you're confusing internal vs SD card storage. My understanding is it's 1GB internal, and they ship with 8GB SD card (originally they were going to ship with 4GB SD so that's why there are some sites with bad specs out there).

I have a ton of apps installed and I still have half my total internal available.
[HTC Inspire 4G] rubyv:
I was told that the phone had four gbs internal in addition to the eight gig card.
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
I believe you were misinformed. And I stand corrected, it's got 768mb internal, and 8GB flash storage.
[HTC Inspire 4G] droe411:
Actually it does have 4gb of internal memory, but you can only use slightly over 1gb. This was the same issue with the G2.

Sent from Inspire 4G w/ cm7
[HTC Inspire 4G] droe411:
And 768 is the RAM

Sent from Inspire 4G w/ cm7
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
I'm not sure this is accurate. What's on the 4gb ROM? Makes no sense to have 4GB of read-only memory on any device.

If the OS\support is generally under 300mb, and is housed within the 768mb, what takes up the 4GB ROM? That wouldn't make any sense. I know there was some bad info that went out when the phone first released.... I think this may have stemmed from that.
[HTC Inspire 4G] droe411:
I know ot doesnt make sense bit thats what it is. Liok at all stat sheets for.the phone. There is a pile of memory that is rwad only holding a backup of some kind.

Sent from Inspire 4G w/ cm7
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
The OS itself is stored in the 4 gig internal SD, and uses RAM out of the 768mb. Even though it has 4 gb of internal storage, the way its formatted only let's us use 2 gigs. its formatted for speed and stability rather than size, therefore we lose half of it, then the OS takes up almost a gig, so now were down to 1 gig of usable storage on the internal card, then we have the 8 gb external.
[HTC Inspire 4G] droe411:
And I believe the 768 of RAM is for running processes, for multi-tasking.

Sent from Inspire 4G w/ cm7
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
Sounds like the same engineers who designed the AT&T network had their hands involved in this phone's design process.

Let's put a 20 gallon gas tank on a car, but weld a divider down the middle so someone can only put 10 gallons of gas in it. LOL
[HTC Inspire 4G] droe411:
There was the same issue withe the G2 when it came out. It confused the heck out of a lot of them.

Sent from Inspire 4G w/ cm7
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
I'm still noy buyin it that there's a mystery 4GB in the phone.

Looking at the root system it's about 500mb, of which 300mb is free (for tasking), and then I have about 250mb of apps installed, which adds up too close to 768 for coincidence in my mind.

If there were a 4gb ROM floating around in there, it'd be absolutely useless. Obviously the OS isn't installed on it, since It's ROM (read ONLY), and apps don't use it as storage (read ONLY), and it's not used for multitasking space (read ONLY), so there's no logical explanation for it.

MY theory is originally the phone was going to ship with 4GB memory card, and they changed it to 8GB at the last minute.... and that was an artifact that got jumbled with the old specs.... because GSM Arena and AT&T both show 768RAM plus 8GB SD Card only.
[HTC Inspire 4G] footbal9584:
GSMARENA Inspire 4G

gsmarena also states 4GB INTERNAL STORAGE, not ROM specifically.

From their site...

Internal	4 GB storage, 768 MB RAM

Card slot	microSD, up to 32GB, 8GB included, buy memory
[HTC Inspire 4G] droe411:
There is a thread in this forum with this issue questioned, and some guy emailed HTC. The answer we are telling you is the same they tell every one. This is not AT&T HTC phones do this, look at the G2 the Thunderbolt. It isn't a lie they are telling every one. That is what they use the memory for, some sort of back up(I don't know exactly what it is backing up). HTC does this with all the newer phones.....
[HTC Inspire 4G] footbal9584:
Here is a good answer for this guys, we lose half the available space for speed and stability.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12111805&postcount=11
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
I call shenanigans haha
[HTC Inspire 4G] Twenty4:
Already many threads on the topic. Yes there is technically 4GB internal but only 1GB is user accessible. The other 3GB is reserved for the OS, ect...
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
If I can't use it or see it, it doesn't exist. ;-)
[HTC Inspire 4G] footbal9584:
I agree, I just pretend it only came with one gig and honestly, with 93 apps (50 on Sdcard), I still have 650 mb left so it doesn't bother me too much.
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
The way your wording this your getting the RAM mixed up with the 1(technically 4, but when formatted to whatever they use is 2 gb). The RAM itself is a completely different chip than the internal storage. The operating itself is not stored in RAM, because RAM is cleared/flushed all the time and the OS would disappear. It's processes/apps are loaded into RAM temporarily. Then you have a 4 gb internal SDcard, that by default, all your apps and whatnot are installed to, along with the OS. This takes the 4 gb internal card that's cut in half from formatting down to 2 gigs. Take the OS out of that and your down to 1 gig. Now keep installing apps and it will get lower and lower. Then you have the external SD card(8 gb), that's formatted like a normal SD card so it has the full 8 gigs av, but its slower than the internal storage. If the OS and all that were loaded onto that, Everytime you removed it, the phone would be useless, but this is not the case.

And with all this, the RAM is completely independent of this and has nothing to do with storage size. There's probably around 500mb total available to the user. At boot, I have around 400mb available, some apps use it and operating system processes. If I removed all my apps that use up the RAM, it might have 500mb free after the OS takes what it wants. So the apps use storage space on the internal storage, plus when there running they take up RAM also, you can clear them from RAM, but there still taking up space on the internal storage.
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
LOL, no, this is NOT true. As others have said, the 4GB is ROM, which means READ ONLY... which is why everyone is saying it makes no sense. ROM is there for the sole purpose of storing things like an OS backup, or a reference file, neither of which have any place on a mobile device. I'm still of the opinion that if I have to chose between YES there's a ROM chip in there that nobody can see, use, or access, or NO it's just a miscommunication that started before the device came out, I have to think the latter. There's just not logic to it. Even in teardown articles there's no mention of it from what I've seen.
[HTC Inspire 4G] darkbluexplorer:
Simple enough.. there is not enough available :) hehe no i understand the frustration i thought the phone was coming with a load of memory but the way that it is partitioned is as such as only 1gb is available. the way that it was advertised is true it has 4gb but of that only a 1gb partition is available for use to the user. what is on that other 3gb I HAVE NO IDEA!!! maby a backup of the rom, maby htc is tracking our every move, who knows.. however i do know this. As of this moment to my knowledge there is no way to access the other 3gb. so no reason crying over spilled milk unless you plan on doing something about it such as creating software to read the partition? :) devs? anyone? nudge nudge wink wink? :p
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
where exactly do you think your apps are getting installed and stored to? there not being stored in RAM, and there not being stored on the external sd card, so what does that leave? another internal storage flash device. i didnt say anything about rom, and that word is misused anyway, samsung calls their 2 gigs of internal data storage-which is obviously WRITABLE , ROM.

this is not speculation, its fact. your phone has 768mb RAM, a 4 gig internal sd card, and an 8 gig external sd card(or whatever you put on it).

the ram is used to temporarily load processes and applications, the internal sd stores your apps/data and OS/system permanently. the external stores whatever you put on it.

go into your phone settings/SD card and phone storage, and read what it says- SDcard-this is your external sd that is removable(mine says 7 gigs)

internal phone storage-(mine says .92GB)- this is the 4 gb 'rom' that your talking about(its not really rom cause its not read only), its another internal sd card, plain and simple. try to comprehend this- it started out as a 4 GIGABYTE SD CARD, (this is the emmc) was formatted to use faster SLC, which takes us down to 2 GIGABYTES or storage now. This is where the OS is sitting, take a gig out for that. Now your down to around 1 GIGABYTE- exactly what the phones read. this is what your installed apps will come out of.

Then you have the RAM, which is unrelated to both of those. you not permanently storing ANYTHING ram, and its seperate from the internal storage

READ THIS POST right from the wiki- like i said, this is fact, not speculation. its been confirmed on the g2 by the people who originally rooted it AND TMOBILE, and the g2 is almost identical internal storage wise, besides less ram, which is why all these devices use similiar root methods.
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
You need to take a class... ROM = read ONLY memory. Saying "Writable ROM" is so incorrect... burn me a disk on a CD-ROM drive, then I'll eat my words. lol
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
when the hell did i say that ROM was writeable? are you an idiot or can you not read?

i said the word is misused- and that SAMSUNG calls their 2 gigs of internal storage on the galaxy s for apps and data ROM. THATS WHAT SAMSUNG CALLS IT, and i said it was misused because obviously that space is WRITEABLE. was that hard to understand?

you hear someone say rom and take it literally, there is no hidden ROM on the phone, or hidden anything on the phone, period.

so ill ask you again, where are your apps going when you install them?

you telling me to take a class makes no sense, the manufacturers are the ones who call internal storage ROM, i just pointed out that that was wrong.
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
Your words were "samsung calls their 2 gigs of internal data storage-which is obviously WRITABLE ROM."

When I install apps it's installing the app data to my SD card and the app to the root directory which resides in the 768mb RAM... for example I installed Navigon... the app file went into the root structure, which took my 768 RAM down a couple megs further, and then the app support files it downloaded were about 1.2GB, which were put into the SD card, like any app, it uses the SD card for support files..... not sure about YOUR apps tho.
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
no, dont misquote me. learn how to read, and put the comma back in between writable and ROM. this was the sentance-

samsung calls their 2 gigs of internal data storage-which is obviously WRITABLE, ROM."\

i wasnt saying WRITABLE ROM like you wanna quote me as saying which is wrong.

i love how you took that comma out.

now reread the sentance with the comma.

samsung calls their 2 gigs of internal data storage-which is obviously WRITABLE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ROM."

the first part is the sentence, after the comma= what samsung calls it. the sentence could have also went like this due to the comma(which is how is meant)

samsung calls their 2 gigs of internal data storage rom-which is obviously WRITABLE."
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
Either way... earlier it was "4GB" now it's 2GB... lol... and yet nobody seems to be able to show any such chip in any teardown photo\video.

Fishy.

I'll go with it has 768MB which I can SEE my apps and OS install to, and 8GB which I can see my app support data, photos, etc installed to. Until anyone shows me a photo of a 4GB chip, it doesn't exist.

Toyota claims my car gets 37 MPG... but reality trumps their marketing spec sheets.
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
dude you have no clue how this works. lol

NOTHING INSTALLS TO THAT 768 MB of ram. NOTHING period.

all you apps install to /data, which is INTERNAL STORAGE. install a **** load of apps to the phone. 1 gig worth, then pull out the external sd card. every apk will still be there unless you move the apps to the external 8 gig card. how can you have 1 gig worth of apps installed/or able to be installed, but only 768 mb ram. you can have 1 gig worth of apps installed and still have 500+ mb of ram free with the 8gb card taken out.

i need to take a class? dude, you seriously need to take a class.

i saw earlier you said something about them installing in the 768mb root something or another----this

'When I install apps it's installing the app data to my SD card and the app to the root directory which resides in the 768mb RAM'

most normal apps dont install a bunch of stuff to the external sd card, apps that download maps and **** like that, yeah, but anything from the app store is going into /data, unless you make it do otherwise. your root directory does not reside in the 768 ram,

your root directory is /, and its on the internal storage, with /system and /data and some other partitions. when you install an app, it does NOT take anything away from the 768 mb of ram, UNLESS THE APP IS RUNNING. then the app will be loaded into the ram, but as soon as you kill the app, the memory is freed up again, nothing is being installed to that.
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
Whatever you say. I can't stand reading your comments, you capitalize things that shouldn't be, you don't capitalize things that should, you blend one sentence into another, and you don't even read before responding. Enjoy your magic memory card :-)
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
lol, if you really thing the phone has no internal storage, you need to seriously learn how android/linux works.

it was never a question of if it had internal memory, it was how much, and thats been explained already a long time ago.

the phone has-

a 768 mb ram chip

an internal sd card with around 1 gig available to the user

an external sd card with around 8 gigs available to the user.

period.
[HTC Inspire 4G] bella92108:
Yet every component can be photographed except this elusive "1gb available" chip.

Sell to someone else, I ain't buyin.
[HTC Inspire 4G] linodavid:
Android is basically a flavor of Linux so I think typing du -h from a rooted phone terminal emulator should answer the question of how big the internal storage is.

I don't have a rooted phone but my guess is the phone's internal storage if it is really 4GB will be divided as follows:

/ ~1.5GB (root drive)

swap ~1.5GB (twice the size of the RAM 768M x 2)

/data ~1GB (the available storage where the apps are installed)

total = 4GB
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
ya your right, some of the best devs on this site are wrong, including the one who originally hacked these phones for perm root and confirmed exactly what ive been saying with these phones and their storage.
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
its 4 gigs, partitioned in a way that only allows access to two- this is from when the g2 was rooted, which has the same internals.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10615174&postcount=2
[HTC Inspire 4G] linodavid:
Thanks for this. I forgot that the storage is SSD; hence, you don't need swap and the link explains where the missing 2GB is.
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
This has already been discussed in another thread. I emailed HTC asking why users were only seeing around 1GB of the advertised 4GB internal memory, and here was the response, straight from HTC:

So yes, there's 4GB of internal ROM, but it's being used/optimized in a way that we'll only ever see about 1GB of it. BS? a little. But if it's making everything else run smooth I don't really care, I have an SD card for storage
[HTC Inspire 4G] di11igaf:
Exactly the answer. And this is what I trying to tell Bella92108 before about manufacturers calling the internal storage ROM, but thatss not the right thing to call it because its obviously not read-only when apps are installed to it.
[HTC Inspire 4G] RogerPodacter:
i'm sorry but this is completely wrong. the 768MB of RAM is not used for any type of storage in any way. your Navigon app gets installed to the internal storage which has nothing to do with the 768MB of RAM. that is for running the OS on each boot up an dconstantly swapping apps in and out that are running in the background.

the inspire has 4GB of storage which after all is said and done you have about 1GB available to you for isntalling apps. the OS resides on that i'd imagine as well as the mystery space HTC seems to be doing.
[HTC Inspire 4G] id10terrordfw:
Simple analogy:

The 768MB of RAM is like the RAM in your computer. Nothing is installed on it. The more you have, the more you can do.

The 4GB of internal memory/ROM or whatever you want to call it is like your hard drive in the computer. It is where stuff gets stored.

The SD card is like an external hard drive. You put stuff on it.

The hard drive is where stuff installs, the ram is where stuff runs, and the SD card is where most of your files are stored.

Hope this helps!
[HTC Inspire 4G] sokomind:
apply that formula to Desire HD

/ ~ +1.5GB (root drive)

swap ~+1.5GB (twice the size of the RAM 768M x 2)

/data ~ -1,5GB (the available storage where the apps are installed)

total = 1,5GB

minus data memory available. But not in real.

EU hd2 with a sense rom without Ext4 has 512mb rom total and with androd rom, it boots 20-50mb free data.

t-mobile hd2 has 1025mb total rom and 500mb free after first boot.

desire s 1.1gb rom (It must be 1.5gb in real) boots with 1.1gb free data.

desire hd boots with 1-1,1gb free data after first boot.

inspire 4g boots 900mb free.

you fake yourselves who still believes it is 4gb.

and some claims it is due to formatting. it is 4gb in fact but it formatted to be fast so it reduce to 2gb.

ok , I have a 750gb in my laptop so please give me the way to format my hdd in the name of my laptop go faster. 350gig is enogh for me.

ok I have 32gig ssd in my netbook. show me the way to format it if my hdd fasten up.

I will send photos of desire hd and inspire 4g mainboards nakes who donates me.

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[HTC Inspire 4G] el damo:
Ídem, I was told the same, and every where says it. For example:

http://m.gsmarena.com/htc_inspire_4g-3706.php
[HTC Inspire 4G] :
Im not sure trying to sell photos to help people here is quite what XDA is going for. This is not a "i have the answer but you need to pay me first" kind of website. If you have photos that can help out this discussion please share, but dont try to sell them.
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[HTC Inspire 4G] aybarrap1:
Thank you for the screen shot.

In regards to the debate --- I default to the "2 gigs" available due to the way the Internal Memory is Formatted ("4 gigs" effectively cut in half). However, keep in mind that this is not typically a true 2 gigs available. Thanks to the infamous "defacto standard of 10" set by hard drive manufacturers, the nomenclature has been misused and much of the actual storage space is advertised under the false standard. You show me a hard drive or SD card that will actually give you the size reported on the box once it is formatted with Windows...or even Linux. It is almost always smaller because they refuse to factor the power of 2 (or 1024).

I agree that labeling internal memory that is writable as ROM is another poor choice of terms. It is incorrect but is yet another fine example of the "industry" butchering the actual meanings (and they are supposed to be the authority :P).
[HTC Inspire 4G] reinbeau:
It is not right or allowed, and the information can be gathered without paying exorbitant prices.
[HTC Inspire 4G] jpcdeux:
4gb? Where did that # come from?
[HTC Inspire 4G] :
thats what is advertised, read up a bit. its 4gb memory chip, after formatting and partitioning, they only give the user about 1.2gb for apps. the rest is used by the system and lost with formatting
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[Adam General] jgrossman2:
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[Adam General] strboy:
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[Captivate General] wallrat:
Just another informational thread for those non-believers that there is a hardware issue with the captivates. I called the warranty center to get a replacement for my captivate using the shutdown excuse. They had no problems sending me a replacement for my 1008. They said they would send me a refurb but it didn't really bother me because I'd just send it back if it didn't work or was bashed up. They ended up sending me a 1103. I check the manufacture date on the Samsung registration site and it showed Feb 28, 2011. It had Froyo and seemed new but it had refurb packaging.

I was running Andromeda 2.1 and was fairly happy with my GPS. I'd say it'd keep tracking 60-70% of the time. I didn't use my GPS that often so it wasn't a big deal. It just annoyed me that it didn't work very well and that's why I called to see if I could get a replacement. My previous phone was a HTC Fuze and the GPS was a 9 out of 10.

Long story short, I reverted my 1008 to stock froyo and installed GPS Status. I kept my new 1103 at stock froyo. I disabled "Use wireless network". In a nutshell, the new GPS was rock solid. I kept both phones on, in the same location, for 10 min. My old phone would be 0/2 (lock/satellite) and my new phone would be at 5/7 or there about. Since it's raining, the readings were near a sliding glass door. I'd walk to another location in the house, near a window, and the results were the same. I even went for a drive to go to the gym and the new phone was perfect the entire time.

Anyway, if you have a chance to return your phone to improve GPS, do it.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doin-it:
I need to do a restore through Odin. I have done so in the past & I have the Pit & PDA files to do so but dont really want to use Kies to upgrade to 2.2 then.

I'm assuming its possible to just bypass kies & just restore directly to 2.2 in Odin ? If so, could some one provide a download link for the 2.2 Pit & Pda files ? Just looking to save some time unless this isn't possible then I'll just do it the long way.

Thanks in advance ?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nomadrider123:
Yes you can look here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=849028