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[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
Nah, there isn't anything about where I am I would call done. The thing is, when I started, I didn't have any idea how to approach this. I haven't worked on anything like this. So what I do have now is my approach... and it may change some as time goes on.

I don't want people to get it twisted and think I'm some superhuman genius freak or something... I'm still a long ways away, and I'm still going to need help... much like my guy that writes drivers (He's worked for both Intel and Moto doing just that).

On a personal note (there was a fella who asked if I was near Wisco) I'm in Phoenix, AZ... I think it says so near my avatar... Just my lady is originally from Wisconsin. I have an EVO (check Sig) but I was looking for a WP7 device so that I can monitor the boot/bootstrap process to learn some things. Thank you for the offer tho.

I'm out
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
Double post
[EVO 4G General] Scrub Life:
Oh god this is going to be too epic when its done
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
why has this thread been moved to general? it's gonna get buried quick here.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Matt is my new hero. This may not come to pass for a few months but i think it is pretty clutch that he has come so far in so little time. If there is one thing that i want to say to matt, it is that he should be a chief in this project

MattPhone7....nah, that sucks HORRIBLY.

I will give it a try next time
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
why was this moved if its actually being worked on? :/
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Cause there's nothing in the op to prove its being worked on. As of now its just vaporware!
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
Instant ms lawsuit incoming.

Also the thing that makes wp7 awesome, is the fact that they have amazing hardware optimization/acceleration. Hence why the ui is so smooth and fast on phones with the same specs as the evo, yet android is laggy/choppy, and can't handle a lot of 3d games, while wp7 has amazing game handling with the same gpu.

Without the hardware optimization, i don't think it will be worth it. And unless you guys happen to have full kernel source, or completely rewrite it from scratch then it will be like putting wp7 rom over android kernel.
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Who cares what Microsoft is going to do. They should be happy we are putting their OS on our phones hahahaha. Totally kidding.

But seriously, Matt's a boss. I don't care how long it takes him, it is way sooner than I could do it. :P
[EVO 4G General] Circular Pastry:
Just like Duke Nukem Forever!

Oh... Wait!! I believe it's entering beta testing phase now!
[EVO 4G General] iitreatedii:
Lol yeah especially with all my threads, and IMO ain't a chance this is happening
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Go somewhere else with your negativity, we are trying to be positive and did you see the SECOND POST? they are the RULES.You broke two in one post. Also, android is not buggy or laggy, the manufacturers make it so so that they can make a quick buck. Manufactures like HTC do a good job however. Have you ever even owned an evo??

Besides, matt is making it work out for the time being even though it crashes
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
"Phone" Android does not have HW/GPU acceleration and is NOWHERE near as smooth as WP7. Its amazing to see what they've done with the Adreno 200 GPU on the upcoming mango release. Honeycomb on a Tegra 2 with what supposed to be HW acceleration isn't even as fast/smooth.

You probably have never held a HD7 and EVO 4G side to side.
[EVO 4G General] skyline247:
Ahhhhh, shaddup MS fanboy. :) It doesn't matter to me that WP7 phones have the HW, drivers, etc. to push the OS, and Android might be laggy with it. Whateva, you know. :-) Haven't you ever done anything people say can't be done?
[EVO 4G General] slickrick54:
To All You Hater's

Wow some people must not read for **** here. In the OP it say's clearly no negative remarks or anything like that. So all you people who keep on down playing this development why don't you move on and find something better to do with your time. Anyways good luck and i cant wait till you guy's drop this so that we can laugh in everybody's face that downplayed the developers and believer's.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
I have and Evo and my dad and sister have a wp7, so yeah, i have.

In fact wp7 can be so laggy at times, especially whenever i want to watch youtube videos or something (ui just freaks and i cant exit to home) so your explanation of the processors is null to some degree.:cool:

It does not even matter because Matt has build that has the potential to work

Android is much better than WP7 because wp7 is just.....to simple, no flexibility, but i love the transitions and the look and feel, so i am joining this project
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Some people like simple. When things get too complicated, things go wrong. Take android for example. first it was "Froyo", then it was "Gingerbread", thrn it was "honeycomb", now its "ice cream". There are new problems in every OS. Period.

Not to mention, I hate seeing everyone ***** about their phone on xda. All I want my phone for is texting, phone calls, and internet. WP7 FTW (for me).
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Those things you listed above - gingerbread, honeycomb, etc. are called UPDATES!! how is it a new problem? Updates are not welcomed?:confused:
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
I'm just saying, you have to constantly keep up with it. I'm not trying to rag on android. But, when you run into problems because it is not a stable update, its pretty frustrating. It is better to have a phone with stability.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
you obviously don't know anything about how android works. And probably don't know **** about how the android kernel works, or what hardware acceleration is for that matter.

Really? so stating a certain OS is better then another one when it comes to smoothness, hardware accelleration, and better ui is being a fanboy, cause those are the facts. And last time i checked, stating the facts isn't being a fanboy.

And there is a difference between something that can't be done, and something that is physically impossible.

Come back to me when someone proves me wrong and breaks the light speed barrier.
[EVO 4G General] mistororange:
To much off-topic BS, every phone o/s can get lagged down an become choppy, just the way it is, yes android is a slightly buggy constantly evolving os, but what makes great in some areas also makes it not so great in others, every os has its flaws, be it customization, over all stability, look an feel etc, bottom line, wp7 would be cool to play around with on our phones, an I hope it gets done sometime, if not thats fine to, everythings cool on the gravy trainnn! i appreciate anyone working on anything, unless its malicious(:
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
Better UI is opinion and smoothness is subjective, I'd hardly call those facts, homeboy. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] jlechner:
Is all this banter really necessary? Feels like highschool in here.
[EVO 4G General] beesneazy:
Wait til Matty shows up.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
smoothness is subjective? rofl.
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
Talk like this gets threads shut down, take it to PM, no one cares
[EVO 4G General] jlechner:
+1
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Lol you're still awesome dude!

~ d3rk
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Sorry for being off topic,

I'm wondering when MYN or Matt comes back. Has anyone heard from myn yet anyway?
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
I was wondering the same thing.. We all know Matt is busting his ass and a half, but nothing on Myn. Hopefully he is so busy to where he can't respond lol. ;)
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
last week i heard he was on vacation. dont know where or how long
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Yeah I don't know, but I'm at the point where I am about to go out and buy one, instead of hearing people *****/complain/"this will never work" bull. Honestly.
[EVO 4G General] parham1234:
Guys devs got to take breaks, seriously. All these trolls would be enough to give anyone a headache. Just have some patience.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
myn told me he wasn't working on this unless he had a team. i agree the thread title should be changed, this sorta seems like a joke of a thread IMO.

i have no idea the status on this anymore. maybe matt & myn are secretly working together on this?
[EVO 4G General] mlin:
As long as Matt is working on this I think the title is fine. Matt may not have the Android background of some of the better known devs on this site, but he does have developing experience and has decided to take this on. I am grateful to Matt for him trying to make this happen and I'll do him the respect of not discounting this project just because he is the only one currently working on it.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
im not doubting matt's credibility, i wish him the best.
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
as i feared the thread/Project got burried deep in the back of XDA's mind and peoples mind...lol

its ok its better this way for now aleast till we get something more tangible

keep your hope up people
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
Guys, I think for the time being that General is probably the spot for this thread... ya, I'm working on it, ya I'm making some progress, but there isn't anything to distribute at this point. When the risk is lessened, the code is packaged and distributable, and when I'm ready for criticism I'll create a new thread in the Dev section.

Subscribe to the thread to stay caught up.

As for the gentleman whom was saying that this wouldn't run well... as there is a possiblity that this may not run as well on the EVO as a device that was intended to run WP7, I think you might be confused as to how the WM/WP/CE kernel works. The situation you described was that of Android/Linux not that of Windows Embedded platform.

Sorry guys... I had written this post yesterday and never posted.... better late than never
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
I can assure you once I have something a bit more tangible... something with more visible promise, it will be far easier to enlist other devs to be a part of this. This is kind of what I've been counting on from the beginning. I'll do some of the dreaming.. and some of the b*@#h work... then we'll get serious with a bigger dev team and start a new thread.

I think it comes down to proving to some degree it is feasible.
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Please, as a friend, do this. Hearing people ***** everyday is more than enough for me.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
what progress have you made soo far? is myn working with you on this? i assume your gonna have to create a new bootloader which would be a huge task for you to take on by yourself.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
why don't you change the threads title to something that makes sense. that's why the mods moved it here.
[EVO 4G General] Circular Pastry:
Agreed.

Tapatalked from my SUpersonic...
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
if you dont believe in the project.. but others do...

why dont you just not look in this thread? ignore it!

why do you make it a point to poop on other's desire and fun?

do you really have to act like a smart-ass.. and pain in the ass?

i understand this will be a very very hard project and most likely never really get across the finish line. but if others wants to try ... why do you persist in being rude about it??
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
I am really glad that this is being worked on, I wish i was a freaking dev so that i may be a part of this thing.:mad:

Question for Matt, what sort of thing is happening in the project, i mean like crashes and whatnot.

Sorry, i just sort of want a better understanding since i have only worked with C and EasyC in my computer class, not any of that high tech stuff.
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
i talked to the mods thats not why they moved it here

you guys arent looking at whats behind this project the titles are a small glimpse without revealing to much and giving you enough so that people want more

why is there such an argument about this?

better yet why am i writing this?

because i dont want to leave the people in the dark

and because i want this to be a OPEN TRANSPARENT project yet at the same time be closed enough so that people dont feel like what ever other things people is contributing overwhelms what you are contributing, and that keeps this sort of suspense and mystery.(if that makes sense)

final word about the title;

IF it changes something the OP changed when that happens something in the project changes
[EVO 4G General] Elbimster:
Matt, nothing but respect for you for taking the reins and getting the ball rolling on this project! I wish I could offer some help, but the last time I programmed was back in 8th grade, with Basic. Not visual Basic, just basic. Even if I could remember any of it, not sure it would translate over! haha!

As for everyone else, let's stop with the "why WP7 sucks" and "what parts of android suck". Both of the OS's have some parts that are really crappy, and both have some parts that are awesome. Let's not contribute to this becoming the new "Apple vs. Windows" debate. We're better than that dammit! lol.

As the great Donald Sutherland said, "Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

Instead of focusing on the differences, focus on the similarities. Like, for example, the fact that neither are the iPhone! :)
[EVO 4G General] mrlamar09:
wise wrds
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
exactly, why keep responding to a thread you don't agree with?
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Any new developments?
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
The good, the bad, and the ugly

The good and the ugly are pretty much one in the same...

Drum roll please............. wait for it......... wait for it...........

I got myself an HD2 for more research and discovery. For those of you that are familiar with the WM world... they have HSPL, which is more or less the WM bootloader/recovery. One of the things it does (of the MANY MANY MANY things) is removed the requirement for a valid signature/certificate provided by the vendor. So what will need to happen is have something similar to HSPL that loads from NAND... this is quite a task... it would almost be like writing an emulator. Now, as with anything in technology, there are more than one way to accomplish this... this being loading an environment that is WM-able. Maybe it won't be doing the "emulator" scenario loading HSPL... maybe it will be re-engineering NAND or what lives in that space... How this will all work is still up for discussion/decision. I'm finding that I may be changing directions. We'll see, and I will most definitely keep you guys updated as much as possible.

One thing is for sure... doing this on my own makes progress at the pace of a track star snail... ehhh whatever... you get what I mean... it's slow. I'm also learning as I go as I think most anyone would probably be doing at this point (maybe a few would have a better starting point than I, but this is uncharted territory so no one really has experience doing "THIS")

The mods moved the thread because there is nothing being shared at this point... it's vaporware... I could totally be BSing everyone and not have done a single thing and no one would be one the wiser, right? Now, I give you all my word that that is most certainly not the case but there is no way to prove that either way. Given my ultimately "noob" status in terms of writing mobile-device software (I've written apps for the mobile platform, but that isn't even remotely similar) I'm not sure I'm ready just yet to be critiqued. When I put my work out there, I intend to do so expecting some oohs and aahs, even if they be mild/quiet oohs and aahs. Besides which I've barely set up my easel, hung up my canvas, and just barely started doing a light pensil outline... I haven't painted a drop! I guess I'm just saying, let's live with where the thread is for now; we can expect more significant progress in the coming weeks... at least that's how I feel currently.

Well... I've rambled on enough. I'm including a pic of the lovely HD2 that I picked up for 80 bucks! Everything on it works... but it's uuuuuuugly!
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Love ya man!!!

I love the screen on that HD2- but anything that makes this project run is A-Ok. :):):)
[EVO 4G General] lakers1624:
miphonematt ,

I also live near phoenix and if your close enough I can drive over and serve you food and drink while you research. I can also entertain any guests that you may have .
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
um wow? that is a really nice gesture.
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
Man I would have started deving for the community long ago had I known I'd get volunteer servants yo! Haha, I'm just playin. That's really nice of you lakers... you really don't have to do that. You can add me to gtalk or something tho... actually any of you can... it's my username here (nick/handle/whatever it's called these days) at gmail. Maybe one of these days you can come check out the lab. I have a 435 ft^2 guest house out back that is my office/lab... full kitchen and 3/4 bath. I've been holed up in here for days at a time before, all whilst staying showered and fed without ever leaving wireless keyboard/mouse range :D

I'm navigating through the SDK... reading documentation... checking out the tools. I definitely prefer the Android SDK over MS's all the way. More on that another time. Remember a few pages back there was discussion about the "lack of turn by turn navigation"... and tis true... written directions... but I will say this, the satellite view maps are the best in the industry. Every other app I've used has old pics of my property prior to 2 years ago... maybe longer... but the WP7 maps app has satellite maps that include my built in grill which was built back in September. The pic was also taken soon after I had cut my grass (thank goodness!) hehe :cool: :D ... and that really had nothing to do with the quality of the satellite maps
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
actually it's pretty creepy if anything. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] SimianJones:
I'm just curious but the HTC Arrive just came to market a day or two ago. Since it is a Sprint WP7 manufactured by HTC and loaded with a snapdragon processor, are there perhaps drivers or code in there that may be helpful with your Projec7?

I wish that I could offer to help but my coding skills are weak and limited. Only a few CS classes in college and I'm pretty rusty at it all. But if there was something that I could do to help I would. I'd like to see WP7 loaded on the EVO. I think some of the WP7 apps are gorgeous and really put Android to shame in some regards. Anyway, you are thanked and subscribed!
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
I'm pretty sure that all WP7 phones use first-gen Snapdragons for compatibility reasons (even the Samsung WP7s). But yeah, it'd help in terms of CDMA compatibility if you could build using the Arrive.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
porting the wp7 rom shouldn't be too hard, he will have to make drivers & a bootloader though. that's the hard part.
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Yeah, but how much is an Arrive, 450 without tax? Screw that. 80 bucks to blow on a phone is pretty damn good lol.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
It is getting a little quiet around here.... Any new developments?
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
This project will take time!
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
yeah alot of time, that's unless he has a wp7 device to work with. thinking about getting one myself to play with until the nexus s hits.

i do know someone just ported android to the palm pre, which is a huge deal. he had to write drivers & a bootloader too. so that goes to show you this project can happen with the right dedication.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
But i at least thought that there would be some interactivity (or whatever you call it) around here.

Is Myn even a part of this project anymore??:confused:

his help would be gladly accepted:):)
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
i do not believe myn is but it would be great for us to reach out to him. i just hope this port happens before the nexus & evo3d comes out.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Why?? the evo will still be alive.
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
Testing our resolve... Some bad news

Hey all, sorry I haven't written in a few days. I lost a couple drives in my RAID array and had some serious down time. I certainly could have written from one of my many other machines, but as you can imagine I was feeling a bit devastated. I lost quite a bit of data because apparently I hadn't set my backup to correctly include some new folders. Not just my EVO WP7 stuff but some other projects for my side business as well. After a short period of moping, I decided to beef up my workstation with better drives, a much better SATA RAID controller, and even a better MB.

In addition to losing my work on this project, while I was out I got a PM from Myn, and he'll be focusing on a new project of his that I'm sure we'll see in the forums before too long. He won't have any time to dedicate to this project.

I made a commitment to you guys to see this through to the end. I have no intention of backing out of my commitment. These events will test my resolve, and the resolve of you folks that have been so positive and supportive the last couple weeks.

Prior to my hardware failure, you remember, I had purchase a used HD2 and threw HSPL, MAGLDR, and WP7 on it and was coming to the realization that I was probably going to be taking a different approach. Maybe the Nerd Gods that be were trying to tell me to move on that by forcing my hand (although they certainly could have done so in a way that didn't make me feel inclined to drop 2k in upgrades on my already very expensive workstation).

Whatever it is, I'm back to work starting tonight (now), and I will let you guys know as I make progress. Well all, I'm off to setup my IDE and get to work!
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
you should use Dropbox or Google Docs for better storage.

I can relate to all that, one time my computer crashed and all of the data was corrupted. Well i cant relate completely because i dont code...but you understand. what sort of stuff were you working on ??
[EVO 4G General] :
My damn titanium backup got corrupted. Now I have to pkay Angry Birds all over again. I beat the whole game with 3 stars.It's not nothing compared to yoy guys but I can understand somewhat.
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
I backup multiple terrabytes of data, so a remote solution is not ideal. I have a really nice 5Tb NAS that I use for backups, however it is only useful if you have your backup software backing up everything you need backed up, which is where my recent failure got worse.

The big item that might get me in some hot water is a custom CRM implementation that I have designed and managed for a company for about 6 months now. It's some Flash, Java (via WebLogic 11g), and some perl/csh/WLST. I know I have "some" of the source sitting on their network, but certainly not all of it. The perl/shell and WLST scripts are fine and on their network... but the Flash... ugh... all that flash... that's going to be a nightmare to have to recreate. Luckily they don't ask for enhancements often on that part, so I'll be alright for a while. I might be in a pickle next time they update their Cisco phone system software if it causes any issues with my code, which has happened once before when they (Cisco) included changes to their API with the system update. There are other projects I lost as well, but this is the one that is most troubling to me... I was pretty bummed out, let me tell you.
[EVO 4G General] SimianJones:
Spinrite. Get your data back. Just sayin'.
[EVO 4G General] KingViper:
I doubt Spinrite would recover data lost from a raid array.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
yeah with most of the devs gone to other devices.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
id like to know what progress matt has made minus his recent setback? no offense but we had another dev give empty promises too before. if this comes to light ill donate something for it, if i still have my evo then.