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[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chadstone30:
first of all, props to JCase and Team AndIRC. you guys are awesome.

i am, however, experiencing some weirdness. whenever i choose "turn off" from the power menu my phone doesn't power down completely, it instead reboots to clockwork mod. isn't that bizzare? it happens every time with 100% repeatability. to completely power off the phone i have to pull the battery. is anyone else experiencing this behavior? that's so weird, right? i mean it's not really a big deal, but surely this is not the desired result.

at the home screen i hold the power button, choose "power off" and then 15 sec later i'm in clockwork recovery. bizzare.

can anyone help me? thanks to all in advance. c

P.S. as a side note, clockworkmod recovery 3.0.2.1 isn't very TB friendly. i think whomever wrote it forgot the TB has no trackball because by default the power button acts as the "back" button when it should really be the "enter" button. to get an "enter" button you have to wrap-around scroll a couple of times until you get the "Back menu button enabled" message. clockwork's only mode of operation on the TB should really be that the power button acts as "enter" and the back menu button is enabled.

EDIT 1: FIX BELOW

so i posted this question in the development section because it had to do with root and i thought that's where all the root discussion would be. mods moved it here. totally fine. keep it tidy. but then yesterday someone answered the question in a new thread in the development section. go figure. anyway, here's the solution as posted by "dbu":

props to dbu and slayher

EDIT 2: MAYBE NOT FIXED

Some are saying that this does not solve their problem. My phone appears to power down when plugged in without going into recovery, but every now and then I do see it go into recovery when plugged in. Others see it every time, so there is still some residual weirdness. Your mileage may vary, as some would say. Who is using FastBoot in the Power settings? Maybe that is causing the phone not to power down as we would expect, but I am not a dev and I am just speculating.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
Same issue here... Power down and plug in to charge. Few seconds later boots to recovery.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gadget!:
Same thing here...

Even in recovery if you select "power off" it reboots back into recovery.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00s3y:
upgrade to 3.0.2.2, that lets you hit "back" to "select" your choice.

For some reason powering down this phone while it is plugged in, sends it into Recovery. No one knows why yet. Actually I should say I don't know why, i'm sure a dev knows or could find out why.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] loztboy:
Yup just noticed it this morning too, very strange.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mykenyc:
Same for me.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cgrywalski:
same here....power down + usb charge = back to recovery
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jcase:
Please ask your questions in the appropriate forum.

This bug is known to be caused by having your phone plugged it to your cable. Unplug the phone first.

Thanks,

jcase
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PJnc284:
It still goes to CWM even after turning the phone off while unplugged and then plugging it in.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00s3y:
We need the Q&A Sub-Forum... asap lol
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
Any info on a fix for this??
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
The bug still exists, at least on my phone, even when I have it unplugged from the charger cable frist, power down, pull the battery, then put the battery back in and plug in the power cable. Within 30 seconds or so the phone boots back into Clockwork Recovery. Are others not experiencing that? It makes bump charging the battery impossible.

I'm curious, where should the OP have asked this? Each device seems to have a different set of protocols for what sub-section to ask/post in. I've been mostly in the Nexus S forums the last few months, and over there, this should have gone in the Q&A section, which we don't have here. Should it have been asked in the Dev section? In the root thread? Just curious...not being sarcastic or challenging!

I prefer the two sections merged personally; it's frustrating that the sub-forum structure isn't the same across all the devices.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PJnc284:
yeah, I posted the same thing on the previous page. Powering off while unplugged doesn't fix it. And the thread was originally in the development forum which seemed like the appropriate place since it's more of a cwm issue for developers to look into than general.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
I'm guessing everyone is having this problem... Or at least I hope (so there will be a fix quicker)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbu:
It was explained to me last night in the irc channel by scotty and jcase that it is supposed to do this, it has something to do with it being an emmc-boot phone with a custom recovery, there was a long explanation of a whole bunch of stuff I didn't really understand. I will say though, that the phone will charge in recovery, I turned it off last night, it went into recovery, and I woke up to a fully charged battery...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
I may be wrong, but i'm one of those that believe the phone charges better completely turned off. I've just gotten used to this over the years. Maybe I will change my thought process. thanks for the explanation!!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
I wonder if they keep a log of that chat room, I'd be interested in reading the explanation. Didn't jcase call it a bug on the previous page? Bug implies it can be fixed; design with emmc-boot implies not necessarily, but we're a bit above my paygrade in that discussion. ;)

I've had over a dozen smartphones/pda type devices over the past 6 or so years...never turned them off to charge as a matter of routine; just when the battery died completely on me. I don't think it's necessary with the newer/smarter batteries they use. I've certainly noticed no significant difference in battery life whether it was charged while on or off on any of my phones. I'm still up in the air about whether bump charging works or not, there's enough anecdotal evidence that it does, along with a supposed letter from HTC suggesting the method, to give it some credibility, but my experience on the EVO was iffy.

Must have missed your post, sorry for repeating it. I didn't notice this thread was moved; I agree this is probably the best section for it. Thanks.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tekthrawn:
This is /bump worthy simply because it needs to get addressed ASAP.

Although it seems to take a charge while sitting in recovery(with the led off), it's still annoying that it boots up at all.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] R1lover:
I would also like to hear the explanation of this... as it's clearly a bug and should not happen.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeffnucci:
I was on when he explained and he said that it does have to do with the phone having emmc storage. Normally on emmc phones when you plug it in to charge turned off, it boots into recovery but recovery knows to turn the screen off.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] R1lover:
Coming from the incredible as my last phone... the way it worked was if you plugged it in while off, the phone would power up and actually turn on, not go into recovery.

Since these phones are so close on how they are built, I would assume the same thing should happen.

Keep in mind I said ASSUME lol
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chadstone30:
SOLVED. HERE'S THE FIX

so i posted this question in the development section because it had to do with root and i thought that's where all the root discussion would be. mods moved it here. totally fine. keep it tidy. but then yesterday someone answered the question in a new thread in the development section. go figure. anyway, here's the solution as posted by "dbu":

props to dbu and slayher
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tazzpatriot:
I don't have this issue at all.. must not happen to everyone. Tried with and without phone plugged in
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mhind52:
I cant boot into CWR, it only boots into fastboot. Am I missing something? Is at a SU issue with CWR? Thanks in advance...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
More details on how you're trying to get into CWR please.

Are you trying from within Rom Mgr and it ends up in fastboot? Try reflashing CWR.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mhind52:
Yes..I am doing it through Rom Mgr. I have tried reflashing all of the thunderbolt recoveries with now luck. It has SU permissions, but I cant use the "fix permissions" function. I get the "error trying to run privileged command. Should I try and manually boot into CWR?

Thanks again...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PJnc284:
Try reflashing cwm in Rom Manager. Make sure the option in settings is checked to erase the previous one.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
It really sounds like it doesn't have proper su permission. Go to the superuser app in your app drawer and make sure CWR has proper permissions. Also, make sure that other root apps are in there with permissions and they work properly.

You could also grab the free QuickBoot app off the Market and see if it lets you get there.

Also, if you end up in fastboot, can you select reboot to recovery from there, and what happens when you do? (I'm a bit rusty on HTC fastboot menus, so forgive me if it's not in there like it is on the Nexus S.)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mhind52:
Booted into Fastboot again...I saw this on a different post and tried i a couple times, with every bolt recovery.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mhind52:
My other SU apps work (titanium, wireless tether, ect). quickboot took me to bootloader as well and there is no option in fastboot to boot into recovery. I know there is an update to SU that works better with sense, but you have to flash it to apply it. I know its a long process, but is my only option to re-root? The fastboot says "S-ON" at the top....

Thanks for all the responses...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
I've erased and re-flashed.. have su permisions.. still same result...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
Yes, I believe you didn't root properly/fully. The bootloader screen should say "S-OFF" at the top.

Basically your bootloader is still locked and that prevents you from flashing a custom recovery.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mhind52:
Thats what I figured. I will re-root and hope it works this time...any steps in the processes I can skip? I cant post in the developes threads or I would ask there....
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
I have S-OFF, I rooted properly (went thru every step), Every app works with root. Have the latest clockwork (erased previous) and cleared download cache. My phone still boots up to recovery when you plug in the charger.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nosympathy:
So I did those steps now posted about this being solved, and my phone still does the same thing. I try and power it down and it goes right into CWM still. Unless I misunderstood the steps, but you open rom manager, menu, clear cache, settings, remove recovery, and then go back and flash latest recovery. which is .4 correct?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
I just spoke with Jcase on irc and he informed me this is normal. That the phone always boots into recovery but its just a black screen when you don't have clockwork installed. He says this is a phone feature. So i'm guessing the solved in this thread doesn't make sense. I'm being told by the ones in the know that this is normal and can't be changed.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joderme:
Same here... Not sure how we can stop this as I would certainly like to bump charge my phone every now and then.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joderme:
The DInc doesn't do this... even when rooted. It will still charge and remain off even after plugging in the charger when the device is off.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nosympathy:
yeah that is what I thought, but the front post had me all excited lol.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gwallers:
Yup but has a different emmc boot... thats understood...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chimpsnest:
Great.... so now you have a perfect TBolt as well?? :p
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tazzpatriot:
nope its doing it now ,,, i dunno maybe i was wrong :o:rolleyes::D maybe it didnt power all the way down thats y
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tekthrawn:
Same, triple checked it.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobby janow:
This is so odd. I have the exact reverse problem. I cannot get into recovery from a power off. I can hold down every button on the phone but it just boots into the rom. With quickboot I can get to the bootloader or recovery, but what happens if I go into a boot loop and can't get to the rom? I can adb reboot bootloader but not sure if that will work on a boot loop.

Edit: Pulled the battery, hammered the rocker and I can now boot up into hboot.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vdefender:
Dang. I am NOT NOT NOT, a fan of how this reboot situation is working. If anyone other than myself gets ahold of or barrows my phone and they do a restart or it dies on them so they plug it into the charger and it boots into the recovery they will not have any idea what to do, and they could seriously do some damage in that menu! ARRGGG. Not to mention that purely because of this I will not be rooting any of my friends, or my mothers phone because they wont have a clue what to do in the recovery menu. Normally I set a friends phone up with root and custom rom and kernal, then uninstall RomManager and set them on their merry way not having to worry about them stumbling into the recovery.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Droopie28:
I tried the fix, not working for me, did all three steps too...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Russ36363:
Same issue I'm having, while trying to do the SU fix.

Edit: nvm, I didn't have the usb port setup right.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] distortedloop:
Really? Those people are so dumb they can't figure out "reboot"?

Just kidding, sort of; I see your concern and many of my friends who I'm the de facto geek for would get confused to see that screen.

Perhaps we should ask koush to put some extra warning at the top to make it easier for the uninformed should the phone boot into clockwork in that manner.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tekthrawn:
I'd have to tentatively disagree with this.. Buddy of mine just picked up two Thunderbolts (him and his wife), and we tested this(plain jane stock from the store).. Powered off, then plugged in. It does exactly what it does when rooted up to the point where it does the soft short vibrate. Charge light goes out then comes back on, no screen change, no back-light. Further, then hitting the power button it takes just as long to respond and start power up from being powered down without being plugged in.

I'll concede that it's possible it's sitting in a mode of recovery but in my opinion it's not unreasonable to expect the same behavior post-root/post-CWM instead of being told 'it's a feature'. Hopefully this is just a problem that will be resolved with time and code.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] R1lover:
I agree it should behave the same as non rooted.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chadstone30:
updated original post as apparently this is not solved as previously thought.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rlervin:
This did not fix mine!
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bunklung:
"Menu>settings>applications>check or enable fastboot. give that a try."

This fixed the problem for me. From here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12444079&postcount=4
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] devilman30:
enable fastboot ... works!

+1 on the enable fastboot !! Fixed the problem of reboot into recovery when plugging in charge after power down.

Mahalo
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mexiken:
+2, fixed the issue for me as well.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pithism:
this worked!!!!

go figure?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] myrakle:
fastboot enabled not working for me still booting into cwr
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] psufan5:
Still booting into CWM for me also.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayzryd266:
it's a NO-GO for me as well
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bunklung:
I'm not an expert, but to the last three posters where fasttboot did NOT fix their problem... I wonder if there is something preventing your phone from using the fastboot method? I could understand it not working for you IF the phone will not fastboot.

If you have not used fastboot before, it's MUCH faster at booting the phone. It's hard not to miss.

Perhaps there could be an application that is preventing fastboot from working which makes it appear that the *fix* did not work for you?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayzryd266:
ok, think I read this wrong the first time - in fastboot it says 'turn off to use some market apps' and an empty box (I understood that to mean if I check the box I was turning fastboot off) :rolleyes: I tried it again with a check in the box and WALLA!!! powered the phone off and the charge light stayed on and NO CWM SCREEN :cool: will be attempting to try my first bump charge tonight (fingers are crossed)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ghlancaster:
I can't get any of the fixes to work but it does seem like its taking about a minute + to boot every time with or without fastboot
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kendive:
This is still an issue? Still booting into CWR when I plug in the power cord.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bunklung:
Once I power down my phone, it takes about 10 seconds to boot into the lock screen. This is with the Thunderbold boot animation playing.

I would say that your phone can't OR isn't enabled for fastboot.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ghlancaster:
Yea I'm guessing I can't fastboot...any ideas on what would stop it?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bunklung:
I wish I could help you more. Perhaps a new thread and/or search would give you some more info as to why your phone won't fastboot.

You could always do a nandroid backup/titanium backup, then do a factory reset. See if fastboot works then. If it does, then it's some kind of configuration or app you have loaded. If it doesn't, you can always restore from your nandroid/titanium backup.

Sorry I couldn't help you more.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m00nshake:
I remember reading on another thread here that fast boot would only work with wifi turned on... I'm not positive that I'm remembering correctly but I'm sure the thread was here on these forums. I'll try to find it when I'm on an actual computer.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jrocker23:
Fast boot doesn't need wifi. I just check it and it works fine. With fastboot on I dont get the issue with recovery showing up while charging. Only an issue when fastboot is not checked
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrwebb:
This worked for me as well....Bump charging in effect once again...
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skeeter123:
+1 for bump w/ fastboot. Yea.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CenFlo:
Appears to have worked for me as well, no more reboot in to CWR.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdmds:
What if I'm running a rom that doesn't have fastboot?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droid fetish:
fastboot checked solved the problem for me also, Thanks.:D
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emarusamun:
Fastboot definately has some issues. Since I've had the tbolt its only worked 3 or 4 times. With completely stock rom and no apps and rooted with custom rom same result. My friends works perfectly.

Tbolt - VirusRom_rc1b2-drod1.8ghz
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GreginNH:
Damn dude you got a "special" TB too? :D

I noticed it last night. The phone did fully charge, I was just like WTF when I came downstairs and saw it sitting in Clockwork recovery......
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demonguard:
this happened to me a couple of times also, but both of mine lead to boot loops

luckily i've been doing pretty good since then
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zer071:
I have fastboot checked and I still boot into clockwork. I Just deleted tango for fring and my phone died while using it I plugged it in and no clockwork can tango installed on the phone have something to do with it??

Edit: Might have been Tango for me but maybe its an app installed on the phone messing with fastboot and thats why it goes into recovery.

Just a thought.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cubs2008:
FYI for anyone who tried the fastboot fix and it didn't work (you're still booting into recovery when plugging in from a powered off state) I had to:

1) DISABLE Fastboot

2) Shut down via power button

3) Turn Bolt back on

4) ENABLE Fastboot

5) Shut down

6) Turn Bolt back on (you will notice Fastboot speed increase on boot)

7) Bump charge as normal starting from charge to green while on

The above worked for me (found it on another forum after initially having Fastboot on and still ending up in recovery.)
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Strife21:
I cant seem to get fast boot to work, even when its checked it doesnt seem to make the phone boot any faster. Not sure what the exact issue is thats causing it. Using DAS BAMF 1.32 and Adrynalyne 4.0b kernel.

Well it works I found if I have wifi enabled. I am not in a 4g area so I cant test that but it doesnt work if connected 3g for some reason.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moemoney12:
For me I have to have 4g on for fastboot to work. If I switch to 3g fastboot does not work. Just my two cents.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Strife21:
Yup just noticed it works with my wifi on but not 3g.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BennyJr:
This worked for me. Bump charging right now
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gemitero:
Fast boot checked and wifi on worked for me also. No 4g in my area yet. Thank you for the fix
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrwebb:
**My fix was to toggle 4G to ON right before I shut down to Bump Charge. If You have 4G turned Off then FastBoot will not disable the Clockwork screen from popping up.

Same Thing that happened with Me, was working fine with 4G on, then soon as I toggled 4G off and attempted to bump charge it would resort back to booting up in ClockworkMod recovery..
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bunklung:
There is a new version of CWR that fixes this bug/issue. I no longer have to use fastboot as a workaround.

I can now plug the phone in when the phone is totally off and CWR recovery will NOT boot up.

Nice.
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eakrish:
Do you just reflash cwr?
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eakrish:
Nm, I fixed it
[Thunderbolt Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bunklung:
There is a new version of CWR in the market. Once updated, yes, you will have to reflash your recovery within the CWR app. There is even a message to say it's fixed for all HTC phones. I guess this bug/issue was effecting other HTC phones too.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ashan85:
no more x1 users here? :(
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orkhanahmadov:
my X1 have hard-keyboard, scratching problems.

I'm using it more than a year but never had 3.5mm jack problems.

before giving some serious damages you should give your device to HTC or SE repair service.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ethermind:
thanks for photos! just fixed my 3.5 mm jack