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[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
As far I as I can see, Kin Two doesn't have real DT/MT. It's better that you find a video that proves it's dual/multi touch, not only pinch zoom.

Our X8 have (not yet perfect) pinch zoom already.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] pandza94:
Exactly.

I'm on limited badnwidith so I can't cruise around YT so much.

I think that the Kin has real dualtouch(hoping for it) just as I said few posts back,

we need proof that the Synaptics chip in Kin Two can recognize 2 fingers coordinates!:D
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Springles:
How to type this | ?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Graveir:
On keyboard press symbols (or 123 or whatever you have) and then go to the second set.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Springles:
I get permission denied.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] skyboyextreme:
we can try to contact users of kin 2 searching the internet who know maybe they got a forum of their own some where and then we can ask them if its multi touch is real or not !

Edit : opened this thread in their xda forum and asking about their MT

here :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=13639643#post13639643
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] SpliFFdu95240:
Somebody know how work (fake) dual touch on Big X10 ?

Maybe we can do same.

EDIT: About Kin 2, I've found this

http://win.downloadatoz.com/news/68,microsoft-s-kin-with-multi-touch-what-you-need-to-know-20100415.html

http://mobileinindia.in/microsoft-kin-two

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/45884/microsoft-kin-two-phone-review/

...

And, in french

http://www.maxigadget.com/2010/04/microsoft-kin-one-two-windows-zune.html

Sorry for my bad english
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] skyboyextreme:
i think big x10 got real dualtouch i mean they can play MT based games with it
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] SpliFFdu95240:
I Believed the Hardware of big X10 can't have DT !

EDIT :

Like say here ( for ex ) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1067998&page=2
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] firdausmbois:
Can it added a menu to set this gesture on and off, this module better for zooming action playing angry birds but not good for playing something like pinball or tap2revenge because on the opposite corner is pause button so when we playing those game it often pause because the gesture activated accidently
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
No it's meant to be useful in PinchZoom. Look at this:

[YOUTUBE]efPJvtTGJlk[/YOUTUBE]

You think you can use that for MT games?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mati96PL:
Big X10 has real DT , I saw videos on YT showing their gameplay in NOVA, Shadow Guardian , Brothers in arms... etc.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Yeah I didn't say that it is useless in MT games :) I mean it is not as perfect as the mini pro's digitizer :)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] SpliFFdu95240:
It's better than nothing
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] gravian:
do x8 have the same digitizer as mini pro or something deferent ?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] hbali:
X10 has real dt,my friend has got one,and he can play fps games perfectly...
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] SpliFFdu95240:
For me, Big X10 have not real DT, because hardware don't support it !

Sorry for my bad english
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] skyboyextreme:
does any body know wat kind of digitizer does the big x10 got ? maybe if it's the same as in x8 we could get even a "semi DT" that we can use in GAMES not jut pinch zoom that we got now , all thanks to dox of course for such an effort
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] hugerth:
Look in X10 forum here, on XDA. They have fully working DT.

Wysłano z X8 z użyciem Tapatalk
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] CaptainZap:
For me pinch zoom is all I need, @op just keep on improving this thing because it's awsome... even though it doesn't support MT in games, and probably never will (thanks to S.E. hardware), people seem to forget how it used to be without it. I mean come on, give doixanh the credits he deserves and stop arguing with him. If you need so much MT, why don't you dissasemble your X8 and see what's inside, it will help all devs you know.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Blagus:
I'm gonna disassemble it tomorrow morning. It's older, Synaptics model. I'm gonna write down every single letter and number from all chips and make sure I won't miss anything in any photo ;)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Remember to enable Macro mode on your Camera, it'll definitely help! :D

/edit : and also, contribute your work to ifixit.com! It will help other X8 community!

Thanks in advance :)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Blagus:
Sure, close-up shots with my Samsung camera and macro enabled should be more than enough... If you like, I can upload 12MP photos on web, for download :p
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] andrej456:
Valid if you want to do this?Look, can you still find room block fees

example of how to find

http://contact.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayIS...uestion_VI&redirect=0&requested=bestsellstuff

Q:	I have the same question as a previous customer... but you didn't answer it. I will ask the question in a slightly different way. Please read the part number on the Touch Screens you have... you will find it at the bottom of the little reddish/orange circuit board hanging off the bottom of the Touch Screen. You will see the name "Synoptics", and right below it is the part#. What is that 6 digit part#? It will look something like: 940-682-1RA, or 940-663-1R1, etc. What is this number on the ones you are selling?	29-Mar-11
A:	the one that I had is 940-663-1R1 write on the flex cable parts. Regards, G-plushk.com

if we know what our chip will be easier to find the firmware

and still only knows synaptics and Sony Ericsson what our chip Clearpad 1000 or 2000

or anyone else working on sinaptics?give official confirmation from sinaptics a chip we have.1000 or 2000?

One can argue for a long time about clearpad

Here for example is said that the x10 mini have clearpad 2000

http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/04/27/x10-mini-has-a-multitouch-display/

sorry for my english
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Updated and uploaded v007 with game mode. Check it out guys.

@blagnus: how is the tear down progress? I'm curious :D
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] CaptainZap:
Any improvement is welcomed, Good Job doixanh!
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Blagus:
X8 teardown, as promised.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Many thanks! Look like I guessed correctly, it's a T1021a.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] XperianPro:
I found bug in game mode when you activate it and press one finger and second,second is moving thats ok but when i lift second finger on 1 minisecond just appear on same up down line in mt program and same left right line where second finger is pressed.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] XperianPro:
On first pic is what happen when booth fingers are on screen sometimes and what happen sometime when i lift up second finger and on second pic how should be normal.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Blagus:
Yes, it has some bugs but after loosing 30 lives in Super Mario I finally got it! Nice ;)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] XperianPro:
How did you got it?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Blagus:
Well, just open any MT game and play it... After some time you'll get practiced and game should become playable. I did that with .Super Mario world.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] fifo171:
i didn't got it jet :D can you make vidoe tutorial ???? :D
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] muzik_demon:
Woohoo new x8gesture is awesome! Better than i expected! MODULE MAN strikes again!

It works practice is dev tools->pinter location or multitouch visualiser

Tried it in heavy gunner after a few mins(15) got the hang of it

Pressure is the key here and ya as doixanh mentioned there are accuracy issues some times

Changing the modes is more difficult..

How about an app x8gesture->you open it you get two options->game mode and pinch-to-zoom mode

Or another idea is we can have a 1x2 widget with two buttons
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mhyke13ph:
question

when/where can i make the activation? is it anywhere? or in APP only?

and how do i know it is already activated?

thanks alot
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
You can activate it everywhere. Test with multi touch visualizer.

As I said, pressure is important. Activating game mode is not hard as many of you think. I'll make a tutorial soon.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mhyke13ph:
Thank you for your hard work :)

i have tried it with the multi touch visualizer, but failed miserably, im not able to switch mode :(

i like the idea of muzik demon, of having an app to switch gesture :D
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] romcio47:
It seems that game mode runs almost perfectly, but it took me some time to fully understand how to activate it (realized that bottom right and top left means looking vertically, NOT horizontally, so clearly explained but I'm too stupid ;) ). Great job. I tried it with NOVA - moving with the left joy and shooting at the same time, moving a camera... Sweet ;)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] skyboyextreme:
thank you thank you thank you :D to start off

now i have some suggestions :

1.set the gaming mood as default

2.pinch zoom mood is activated using a pinch in or a pinch out gesture by your fingers on the screen or make the pinch zoom mood activated by the same way u did in v004 because it will make activating the pinch zoom mood a part of the actual pinchzooming process ;)

3.pinch zoom mood is automatically disabled after the pinch in or pinch out is done

i.e make the gesture that activates the pinchzoom mood a "pinch in or a pinch out"

and this will make the 2 moods look like one and will eliminate the need to "change between moods with a special way" and will eliminate the need of the "how to" section once again lol

suggestion 2:

how about make the second touch recognizable based on the "bigger touch area" instead of the "more pressure" ?

idk if these ideas can be done i just had this thought and i hope i could explain my idea well , execuse my bad english ^^

ciao , thanks again dox u r the golden module man and i'm really sorry if i bugged you at one time :)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] carsonfly:
thank to doixanh .the game mode is really work! however it is unstable,sometimes work sometimes not .i am looking forward to your next version,
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] DustArma:
Is it normal for the module to return version v006 when using dmesg | grep x8gesture?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Oh yes I forgot to change the version number in v007 ~.~
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] stoyandim:
Guys, I need your help. Can you tell me how to activate these gestures in Stock Browser, Gallery and Maps. I think there was some info about that before, but I cant find it again.

I really want these to work with the stock apps and I know that it was possible. Until now I was using floyo 0.20 and everything there was super, but now in the stock firmware is not that good.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Tobi@s:
The SE-customized apps don't support dualtouch.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Blagus:
Stock firmware CAN support multitouch. Here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=921302
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] stoyandim:
THANK YOU! It worked! Unfortunately, it's not working in Album. But in Browser and Maps is awesome! :)

PS. Still waiting the demo clip for v7 :)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] skyboyextreme:
tested the game mood it works very well with lots of games FINALLY !! but it's very flacky around the edges
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] romcio47:
Gosh, doixanh, you should have told us that by pressing the screens at the bottom and top left and right you meant the CORNERS, so on the MV2 looks like that only ONE touch point goes instantly from the first finger to second :-D

Now it's freaking easy to activate it for me. I think that not everyone understood your instructions.

Edit: I could make the how-to video for 007 tomorrow if you would like to. All credits to you, link too. How about that?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] RealJTG:
Well, still unusable in games (at least in emulators with virtual joystick), but this one is MUCH better than v6 in other apps, works pretty nice in opera and gallery
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mati96PL:
So can we have it or not?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] chewdaniel:
for the 5 millionth time... the hardware doesn't support it. geez...
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] firdausmbois:
yeah me thanks too :)

this is great......

but it will be more easier if you adding menu or some kind of widget to activate it instead of gesture.....

great job
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Generally kernel modules are separated from the Android system (menu for example). The only thing I can do is to make a procfs for people to set the mode with something like this

echo pinch > /proc/x8gesture

or

echo game > /proc/x8gesture

But it's clearly slower than use the screen itself to activate the desired mode :)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mhyke13ph:
until now i dont know how to activate it :(

i always try it on gallery, but it always pinch zoom

can you make another one and make game mode as default XD
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Try with Multitouch Visualizer. It's much better to practice.

Well I was too busy to make a tutorial to activate game mode / pinch zoom.

Maybe somebody who knows it already can help me making a tutorial clip?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mhyke13ph:
i did that, but i dont know if i have already activated it or not, so i thought that if i have activated it that i cannot pinch to zoom or what is the sign in the visualizer that i have activated it.

is it really on the far corners of the screen that i need to touch?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mikaforsel:
Clearpad 1000....
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] aldee_s:
Just try to pinch zooming, while you already activate game mode. In multitouch visualizer, when you pinch zooming in game mode, the first finger sensed won't move, even if you move your first finger, the coordinate is still there, just try try it, and if its like that, then you already activate game mode.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] ithunter:
please give me multitouch visualizer
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Graveir:
Get yourself one from the market...
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] firdausmbois:
my tutorial howto use the gesture sorry on bad video quality and my http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3OUfC7oVPY

anyone tell me howto embed youtube on this forum?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Put your youtube videos inside [youtube] tag, something like this

[youtube]A3OUfC7oVPY[/youtube]

(This video is from the post above, because his link is broken)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mhyke13ph:
Thanks!!! now i got it, in order to activate it, the phone must be vertical and not horizontal >_<
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Graveir:
Well, thanks for the video, I finally managed to get a hang of it :)

So, as I understand it, there are two separate drivers within the module that do separate things? If so, we could make a widget that would alter the contents of hw_confing.sh accordingly to our desire, could we not? Something like gscript...
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Put id of your video (A3OUfC7oVPY) inside [youtube] tag, something like this

[ youtube ]A3OUfC7oVPY[/ youtube ]

(of course remove the spaces)

No, it's one driver in one module. There is no code separation here.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] stoyandim:
Still hard to play fifa, I can't move and shoot. Trying for one hour and just 2 dual interactions :S
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Yeah my module doesn't bring real dualtouch experience.

I am trying my best to have something close to it :)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] mhyke13ph:
its getting there :D
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] firdausmbois:
It because the most game orientation is 270degree this modul best for 90degree mode game is there can we put the first finger on top left? I mean the not moving finger is left finger (in 270degree mode)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] JasoX:
It works for me. It is a bit hard to get it to work, but it does work.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] hoxz:
tried it on floyo with manual installation, and not working :(
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] alil:
someone could generate script for 2.1.1 so i can put manually into hw_config.sh?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] auphone:
is work on hackdorid v005

thanks doixanh

but a little bit hard to zoom back to the original size
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
@alil: I uploaded update.zip for floyo 0.15 already. You can't use it?

@auphone: I didn't do the zoom-out. I will make it soon.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] alil:
floyo 0.15 is 2.2.1.. but im trying on 2.1.1 now.. nvm, just figure out the way, just copy and pasted "insmod /system/lib/modules/synaptics_i2c_rmi4_dx.ko" into the hw_config.sh..

now detected 2 fingers as your instructions, but if i move 1 fingers, it does not moves..

update: sorry, its works.. tested with angry birds.. sorry my bad..
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] malungkot:
Im sure the impossible will now be possible now.. Thanks you to man!!!
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] romcio47:
2.1.1.A.0.6 - fully working. Excellent job!

BTW - it IS possible but very hard to zoom out. Anyway can't wait for the fully working zoom-out feature ;)

Another Edit - figured out how to zoom out in Angry Birds

Proof:
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] killmyself:
excellent! works great on J v006a. but in gallery too sensitive. cant wait till you figure out how to zoom out :D great job
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] ponanovn:
Is it possible to set a blue (or another color) dot in the middle of the "fingers" so it is easier too zoom in browser and gallery?

EDIT: or at the touches?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Tobi@s:
Well... Great, it works :) Maybe we can get two finger recognition some time....

Shall I share update.zip for 2.1.1.A.0.6 (with correct hw_config and not floyo ones)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Yes, please upload your update.zip for stock SE 2.1.1.A.0.6. I'll keep it updated.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Tobi@s:
Here you go:

Mod Edit: Broken link removed at the request of the poster.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] bogdan_mihai554:
Omg, we'll soon have Fully working dual-touch! Can't wait for it 8->
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
It seems that it's hard for many people to activate the zoom in mode. I'll try to make it easier with better finger recognition.

Also, zoom-in seems to be too quick in many applications.

@bogdan_mihai554: no we don't have dual touch. It's pinch-zoom gesture. AFAIK, our hardware does not support Dual Touch.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] CaptainZap:
Couldn't care less if it's dual touch as long as you can use it in browser/gallery/gmaps etc. I would have liked it even if there was a way to port the one finger zoom from stock S.E. gallery to browser/gmaps etc. Great job anyway, will try when it's better.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] bogdan_mihai554:
I know it's just pinch-zoom gesture, but the screens of X8 and X10 are almost the same...Maybe, after you improve the one-finger pinch zoom, we'll be able to do dual-touch. Also, how does X8 recognize both fingers in your gesture if it's not supported, i'm sure that something can be done about dualtouch..
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] LuisDias:
@doixanh, when scrolling websites or "bars" while watching videos on youtube, it really gets complicated because it doesn't always obey my finger's moviment.. :/

Anyway, great job.. ;)

Sent from my X8
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] hugerth:
On youtube everyone can find video where man is showing (PROBABLY BETA) pinch-zooming on 1.6 ROM with g-maps and browser and it works very well.. So it mus be DT support (maybe fake info in driver?)

Wysłano z X8 z użyciem Tapatalk
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] bogdan_mihai554:
Well...it's just lies of SE saying that DT is not supported by X8...XDA is the way to go.
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] skyboyextreme:
and you are doing a great job keep it up , u the x8 hero now !!
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] aldee_s:
put the video code (A3OUfC7oVPY) inside [youtube] tag.

example :

[youtube]A3OUfC7oVPY[/youtube]

output :

[youtube]A3OUfC7oVPY[/youtube]

This way goes for our kaskus forum too, well, maybe for every vBulletin-based forum. :D
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Graveir:
I was refering to the post about echo commands. If we can make it in a gscript way, like we were checking the freqs of your OC module before v004 came out, through the terminal, we can change the mode from screen widget, can we not?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] firdausmbois:
heee udah di kasih tau kalee

game confirm working

gt racing (you can push the gas button and brake simultanously)

asphalt5

modern combat: sandstorm (in lefty mode it still hard since im not left handler)

nova

bia2 (like on my video :) )

i guess all game who had 90 degree (turn right) orientation

to doixanh: can u fix this it need tobe set in opposite way too
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] Blagus:
A little investigation:

First, Synaptics ClearPad™ solutions.

On the bottom, we see Series 1 ClearPad. Touch points: 1 + pinch. We got this via module, and even something better than that, we got semi-dualtouch.

Next, let's go to the Cypress TrueTouch™ solutions.

Single-Touch: CY8CT

STxxx

Multi-Touch Gesture: CY8CT

MGxxx

Multi-Touch All-Point - simultaneously interpreting any number of independent points on the screen: CY8CT

MAxxx

Are you going to open your Cypress Xperia to find out which one you got or not, and keep complaining about bad developers and just writing that we need custom kernalz to flash firmwer and enabel multitouch?
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] doixanh:
Yeah I've already seen all those. X10MP guys were lucky with CY8CTMA300 :)

BTW, any progress on photo upload? I'm curious to see them :)
[XPERIA X8 Original Android Development] SpliFFdu95240:
On the web , I have found two other phone who have Synaptics T1021A :

-Blackberry Torch 9800:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Pl35xIP-6gcJ:www.ubmtechinsights.com/reports-and-subscriptions/investigative-analysis/blackberry-torch-9800/teardown/+Synaptics+T1021A&cd=7&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.fr

-Nokia N8

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nokia-N8-Teardown/3641/2

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jKOxrOUzmP0J:www.eetimes.com/design/communications-design/4210700/N8--Solid-start-for-Nokia-s-Symbian-3-strategy-semiconductor/+Synaptics+T1021A&cd=20&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.fr

I don't know if BB is MT, but N8 seem work on game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aivlOZs2Ez0&feature=related

http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?action=printpage;topic=35173.0

EDIT: I've found this HTC Nexus one :

"The chip is labeled T1007A, 2 0927, AMP08P. It controls the ClearPad 2000 series capacitive dualtouch sensor used in this phone. "

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-One-Teardown/1654/2

So, maybe T1021A, it's not the series, but it's the following number (1 1023 for X8, so 1000 series; and 20927 for nexus, so 2000 series )?

Sorry for my bad English