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[Windows Phone 7 General] FishFaceMcGee:
That's just Microsoft legalese-ing their way to saying that Carriers can block updates, at least in the way we're thinking of it.

The way they're wording it, they're saying that we will get all updates. However, there's no mention of timeframe. So, for instance, AT&T could decide to "test" NoDo until this time next year. We'll still get NoDo, so we can't say they "blocked" it, even though that's precisely what they did.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
The ruling business strategy in my understanding of business practices is, "Never say anything to anyone, no matter how insignificant, unless you are forced to". AT&T seems to be the world's worst for adhering to this rule.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JosepHenry:
So by that I take it that now its just up to the carriers to decide when they want to release it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] keyboardP:
Yeah, that's true. MS really cannot fail on the updates as that was their USP in terms of finding a balance between Apple's methods and Googles. Hopefully with this in mind, they're able to put some sort of pressure on AT&T but with such little market share, who knows if they can...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
I've got a Venue Pro and whenever the update gets here, it gets here. It amazes me how prevalent the notion of entitlement is in today's society.

I want what I want and I want it how I want it and I want it now. If I can't have that, then I'm taking my toys and I'm going home.

You see it everywhere. This overexaggerated wait for WP7's first update is just a microcosm of a larger issue.

Anyway, I'm glad some of you folks weren't early adopters of Android or even iphone. I'm thinking some of you wouldn't be with us today based on the sheer amount of desperation, panic, angst, and/or anxiety I've seen here.

I sincerely hope that those complaining about a five month wait for an update, to an exceptional first version mobile platform, do not have any actual problems in life.

Either that or I hope you don't live next to any highrises.

;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] bennyj71:
"But you should ultimately receive all the updates we send out"

That statement contradicts the point of allowing a carrier to block an update. If MS is gonna stack them then there is no reason to block it. The worst part of this is I have used copy and paste about ten times on all the phones I owned. I was just curious about new and well thought out update procedure. "Since we had time to look at all the other players"
[Windows Phone 7 General] moonshines:
i just hope that the tmobile march 25 update rumor is true. im sure this is a learning experience for ms. i bet the mango update wont be such a hassle as this first update.

crossing my fingers on this rumor and will cross legs for extra luck:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] FishFaceMcGee:
It doesn't contradict the point since it provides no sense of a timeline. "Ultimately receive all the updates we send out" means that the Focus could end up with NoDo 7 years from now. Their statement would not technically be wrong in this situation. The update, in this hypothetical scenario, came out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
All MS has to do is kick AT&T in the gonads and delete them from selling WP7 devices. MS can then make WP7's name from the other carriers available. It would cost a bit more but it would damn sure alleviate the carrier attitude. Think how AT&T would feel if WP7 became a world-class success and they were left out of it?

If MS was truly serious about making WP7 a success, they would start kicking serious ass. And just doing that would help make WP7 a success...kicking AT&T's ass because of their attitude would make a lot of ppl very happy. And those happy ppl would be much more inclined to by into WP7, knowing MS is willing to go that far.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amtrakcn:
That's why as AT&T customer I'm still unhappy with the merger.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
The dell update will hopefully fix critical bugs with the phone, thats what we DVP owners have been trying to get for months now and thats why the update is deemed so important. I've had 4 devices and they ALL crash with wifi, signal fluctuates wildly, sometimes will wake up to a black screen. Should we just shut up and pretend all is rosy with our devices or be eager to get a fix that will enable us to use our devices as intended?
[Windows Phone 7 General] bmazloum:
SFR. Scheduling.

Operator testing is complete, and Microsoft is scheduling the update for delivery. This phase typically lasts 10 days or less.

That's for BOTH updates...let's see how the typical 10 days or less goes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] remyc:
look at the status of update.

For USA,

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-usa.aspx

For other markets

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-world.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] richlee111:
+1

I can wait another day or two, hell, I can even wait until the end of the month. But to be honest, I cannot for the life of me recommend to anyone I know a WP7 phone, let along a Dell phone. I know being an early adapter will always mean that you will face a lot of bugs and issues with a first gen device. But in this case, the DVP has been the worst first gen device that I have ever bought.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
efjay, I'm not talking about DVP owners who have far bigger issues than

when

the first update is coming. I get that. My phone does the same thing as far as the wi-fi thing is concerned (16gb model). And, I want to know what, if any, effect this will have on my phone. FYI, a guy in India who has a DVP with NoDo claims it still locks up

But, what I'm saying is that this is something that, for now, is out of our control. Not saying don't voice your dissatisfaction or disappointment if that's what you're feeling.

I'm simply saying that we all should be patient. It's only been 5 months since the platform launched and the first wp7 update is rolling out quicker than android's did and about as quick as iphone's.

Now, if we hit 9 months, a year, and nothing... then by all means, sell, burn, chunk your phones into the mouth of sarlak(?), if you want. But, 5 months in? Jeez, folks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiny17:
Possible as both the HD7 and Venue Pro are in the "scheduling" phase, which means release is immanent. Where as those with the Focus are still in the "testing" phase.
[Windows Phone 7 General] refsgaard:
Denmark, HTC Trophy: No update....
[Windows Phone 7 General] MaxTitan:
Mozart fw 1.30 Europe (unbrand gold card)

22.03.2011 updated to 7390
[Windows Phone 7 General] paretam:
Nope, no surprises yet... Still no updates for my sim-free Mozart.
[Windows Phone 7 General] boah78:
maybe it's a bit childish, but since this isn't the first phone i've had update issues with at&t, i decided that from the time an update is released until the time i get it, i will use their network as much as i possibly can (1.2 gigs so far today, plus have a queue of 120 songs downloading with my zune pass) accomplishes nothing i'm sure, but at least i feel i'm getting something for my money. like i said, i know it's childish, so don't bother pointing it out:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Halle:
Since my phone is unbranded and therefore an "open market" phone, I should for a long time ago have recieved the update. Cus that page clearly states that the update for open market phones is delivered.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gbbsoft:
But how does MS know if my HD7 (unbranded) is "USA" or "International"?

I think this is based on LiveID account.

I have LiveID account in USA, so I should look here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-usa.aspx, so now HD7 is "Scheduling"... (And Samsung is "Testing")

:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] MasterLeePhD:
Have a Unlocked and unbranded omnia 7 and still waiting. current ver.7008
[Windows Phone 7 General] brondum:
Well he has a Samsung Omnia 7(so do i) and isn't on the US page. Also if you don't have a live id, should you then not receive the update at all?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Halle:
I doubt this is the case. And, the Omnia 7 does not exist in the US, there you have the Focus instead. And as someone else mentioned: If you do not have a Live Account, should you then not even recieve any update at all? :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] JuWa:
http://windowsphone7central.com/news/microsoft_releases_nodo_testing_information-03-24-11.php

So loooooong waiting might be for us carrier free phone owners also... :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] atomickarma:
no update yet

I have an unlocked HTC HD7 (originally O2) running on T-Mobile but no update yet.

Wondering if it would be worth dropping the O2 sim back in...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Halle:
However, I would really like to know how Microsoft knows wich country your phone is in..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spastic909:
Couldn't pass this up....are you serious? Uh...your carrier...damn
[Windows Phone 7 General] brondum:
From what region your pc is set to, would make sense to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] richlee111:
Thanks buddy for the find on this info.

So much stuff going on out there right now in WP7-land.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Halle:
My phone is not branded nor locked to any carrier. So my question remains.

Well my PC is set to Sweden? Or to you mean Zune? I doubt that really matter, since the phone will show me a pop-up message when an update is avaible, even if it's not connected to my PC. It did last time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JuWa:
It's not in what country you are. I think Zune recognizes your phones product code and delivers the update about the code.
[Windows Phone 7 General] yfbc:
Damn you MS!

HTC 7 Pro sim free - still yet to receive NoDo;

The update schedule needs to detail the release dates of individual unbranded phones in each region!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pyls:
Im waiting.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-world.aspx This list might be accurate.

UK, Ireland, Austria, Italy, Sweden	Hutchison Group	Delivering update	Scheduling

Probably waiting couse me simcard thiks I am from Sweeden.

Even tho i have a open market phone.

Open market phones	Delivering update	Delivering update
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
For T-Mobile UK Customers, some bad news...

For some reason they're listed as Deutsche Telecom (Which is weird because in the UK they operate separately and as part of Everything Everywhere) which is still Testing BOTH updates.

I had this confirmed by TmobileUKSupport on Twitter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] renegadEEE:
Is it so hard to read? The table doesn't say anywhere the update is delivered. It says it's being delivered and if you then read what this means:

So even if you have an unbranded phone (like myself) you could still be waiting several weeks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] matrixcs:
its the HTC 7 Mozart User's Trials Promo on facebook hosted by HardwareZone and HTC Philippines..

here is the Link..

http://www.thetechnoclast.com/2011/...phone-7-workshop-at-mandarin-oriental-manila/

By the way

I just talked with the HTC Customer Service (South East Asia)

The CSR told me that the update is now being tested on their sample units. Once it is ok it will be rolled out to Singapore, Philippines, Malaysia and other SEA Countries.

But She did not gave me the date when will it be.. just said . "should be out in a matter of weeks or days.."
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
MS Not off the hook

I applaud the status table MS published and believe this bodes well for information in the future, IF it is updated regularly. But, MS in no way gets off the hook for delays, not in my mind. MS created the rules for this update process and agreed to it with the carriers, don't forget that. They don't get a pass because "the carriers are the ones blocking it". MS created a structure in which the carriers COULD block it. It's an MS process and they deserve all the kudos and criticisms. It's a little like a gang planning a bank heist and the leader giving out loaded weapons but telling his gang not to fire them. When one fires one and kills a customer during the robbery, do you think the leader gets a pass because he told them not to fire? Hardly!!!!! Stop letting MS off the hook because the carriers blocked the release, MS allowed this to happen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nathantw:
Looking at this list that was posted in an earlier message http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-usa.aspx it appears that the update for the Samsung Focus in the US isn't even out yet. In fact it looks like, according to the list, that it's still in testing. That means we probably won't see it until the end of next month if even then. Well, at least I won't need to keep looking at my phone waiting for the message that it's ready to be updated like I have been doing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slysy:
If anyone with a branded Omnia7 on 3UK has updated to NoDo, please could you post the firmware (not OS) versions before and after? They have tweeted that they are rolling the update out now...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fl4v1en:
Unbranded HTC 7 Pro, nothing yet in France.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardcoreplur:
WTF why in hell does the tmobile wp7 devices are done testing and AT&T is dragging their balls on the testing... AT&T has a ton more resources... I hate you AT&T... =(
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwill:
I've been holding it in and am a huge supporter. This isn't going to be constructive at all but, **** MSFT AND THE CARRIERS!! It's MSFT fault either way. If the carriers are delaying release of the updates, then they should have enough nuts to say something and get it done. Hell, show them the predicted results of what happens to your market share when they piddle around and piss off customers. I've been one since I bought my Motorola MPX 220 and Ipaq Pocket PC. I've done nothing but brag about WM since it's inception. Posted facts about WM on my Facebook page to shut up people about Apple and them being the first smartphone. And now I'm just plain fed the **** UP!! Sorry to rant, but I could actually keep going. NO custom ringtones, NO Mass Storage, NO multitasking for an alarm clock that doesn't suck, NO threaded email or single email inbox, NO....you fill in the blank now. And I was excusing all these things due to my faith that MSFT will get with the program pretty quickly. Looks like it's time to fix my HD2's screen to put Android back on it or buy a freaking Android phone until MSFT catches up in 2015! I'm tired of defending these idiots!
[Windows Phone 7 General] FishFaceMcGee:
Here's the thing about complaining: it's MORE constructive than acting like Microsoft is doing a good job when they're not. At least when people are complaining a MS employee could come to these forums and say "Oh, ****" as opposed to looking and say, "Oh cool, everything we're doing is great. Nothing to worry about."
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwill:
Agreed! And all this update status thing did was finally push me over the edge as I can now physically see how crap they are full of!! If the update isn't on my phone or being delivered right now, I could give a damn about an estimated time:mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I think that's a perfect and fitting analogy. The carriers have all the power they need to hold us, the customers, over a barrel and do as they please. MS giving the carriers power to block these updates is like candy to a child. They wouldn't be able to resist blocking them no matter how many times they said, "No! We won't, daddy. We won't abuse that power".
[Windows Phone 7 General] riyanpradiyar:
Singapore Starhub

I own Mozart 2 years contract with my carrier which is Starhub, but here in Singapore all are unlocked, so does it mean my Mozart unbranded device? but then just now I saw the status in "Schedulling" state for my carrier? :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] keyboardP:
I'm not letting MS off the hook, as it were. But I do think that they've taken notice of people wanting more information and that's a step in the right direction. But, as I say, I'm willing to see if this trend of slow updates continues as this is their first major update and is a bigger undertaking than other devices. If it continues, then that's a shame and MS will have missed a golden opportunity. However, if they can speed up the process of future updates after learning from this first one, then it would be the best update route out of iOS, Android and WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] docles2002:
Are you sure about this? When you got your phone, is there any app like singtel explorer, etc. I got mine (HD7) from authorized HTC reseller and it has apps mentioned above. I think my phone or many of our phones are unlocked from singtel so that updates will have to go through singtel.... unless we unbrand it through registry editing similar to the samsung focus. I think unlock is different from unbrand. My wife has an unlocked AT&T Samsung Focus brought through a gray market here in the Philippines and it is yet to receive any update just like the AT&T users in the US. I think to get her update i have to unbrand it through the samsung registry editing.;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Halle:
Just read on a swedish site of two people who has Trophys, and none of them were branded or locked, the phones are in fact identical. One of them recieved the NoDo at 22 mars, the other one have not yet recieved the NoDo. This is very weird.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SharpGIS:
Why is that weird? Microsoft have always said they roll them out bit by bit. Some pol get it right away, others slightly later
[Windows Phone 7 General] toothfish:
Maybe we can look at our firmware numbers more closely...

If we gather those "25" users who have had the NoDo update already and get their firmware number maybe we can see a pattern or something

iono, im desperate at this point..... very desperate
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tim.Smith:
Not really that weird, Microsoft said it could take weeks for updates to roll out. So person A could get it now and person B not until a week or two later. I don't like it but that's the way it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Halle:
Well, my logic tells me that identical phones, bought in the same country should get the update at the same time. But guess I was wrong..

I'm really starting to get pissed of at MS now, can't believe why the biggest software company in the world need weeks to get an update out. Cus afterall, the update is ready and just sits there.

Yes I know I'm whining to much..:p
[Windows Phone 7 General] kirilorius:
I`m using HTC 7 Mozart and I updated my device with the NoDo 7390 version yesterday 23 march. My phone isn`t branded and its unlocked. It seems to be faster in opening apps and games. The stupid copy&paste option that everybody cry for it I still didn`t use it. The marketplace seems to be more responsive but it`s still there the bug when you go back and it turns you right at the begining of the list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JackalJackalJackal:
Yes, yesterday I performed the update NoDo. Czech Republic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] goldenpipes:
Just a thought..

has anyone tried to change thier region on the PC they are using to update as well as slelecting a region that is getting the updates? IE set the phones region to Czech Republic, same on the PC, then unbrand the phone and see what happens?

Also we probalby need a proxy set in the Czech Republic to fool MS servers?

what time zone is the Czech Republic as well?
[Windows Phone 7 General] SharpGIS:
I think a better approach would be set up a proxy in a European country where the updates are rolling, and then check for an update in Zune. That way Microsoft's update server would see the request coming from Europe. I doubt the OS region setting would matter at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] goldenpipes:
lol yeah i just edited my post ha.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] stylopath:
almost 8% updated after two days - looks like the end of the maya calendar points to the complete roll out of NoDo ;)

unbelievable that Apple just releases an update to everyone all over the world in the same time, how is that even possible if a multi-billion-dollar-company like Microsoft needs Months to ship an update that barely deserves that name?

My fear is that, since ALL Omnia 7 sold in germany are "branded" by T-Mobile (magenta design preselected), I have to wait for t-mobile to test the update (they surely want to get sure NoDo doesn't screw up the beautiful magenta lol) - Even if my phone isn't branded (flashed official unbranded samsung rom) and uses an O2 sim.

I always defended MS and WP7, but it almost seems as if the update process is done phone-by-phone by a monkey.

Seeing how microsoft handles WP7, the .NET-Framework and MS Analysis Services i'm really getting p*ssed off about that company.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 0711:
Timeline: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-world.aspx

T-Mobile customers are f....ed up. This is why i go to another provider, they are so slow on any updates (not wp7 related)...

Have voted yesterday (didnt get it), now i got it (omnia 7 unbranded rom)
[Windows Phone 7 General] stylopath:
0711: What is your location?

It's crazy that T-Mobile needs months to test if their ugly magenta design and startscreen work on the newer version.
[Windows Phone 7 General] roklipni:
Well, no update for me:

Samsung Omnia 7

Si.Mobil - Slovenia

(I did get the pre-NoDo though)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tim.Smith:
T-Mobile in America is going fine, they're "scheduling" and will probably start getting it soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 0711:
germany (nick=vorwahl)...had a t-mobile branded omnia but flashed a unbranded rom...got the february update a few weeks ago and today the march one :)

so true
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
please update your vote...
[Windows Phone 7 General] 0711:
i dont know how....can you tell me?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
well i tought it was possible. I will tell you if i figure it out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] matrixcs:
I don't think so.. I got my HTC 7 mozart from the HTC 7 user's trials promo hosted by Hardware Zone and HTC Philippines.. my phone is un-branded it only has HTC HUB and thats all no more apps except the HTC apps. yet there in no update..

I only had the pre-nodo thing and nothing else..
[Windows Phone 7 General] stylopath:
0711: Again, thanks a lot! Since I also own a Samsung Omnia 7, flashed an unbranded rom (firmware 2424.10.11.1) and already got the feb update i should also get the update soon
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kostija:
same here, unbranded T-mobile Germany Omnia running JK1, received pre-Nodo right away, but still waiting for NoDo to show up . No SIM lock.
[Windows Phone 7 General] moneysaver05:
when will my UK Vodafone LG optimus 7 get this NODO update?!!:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] saibot2b:
@0711, Kostija: same here. T-Mobile Omnia7, Germany, flashed JK1 firmware (2424.10.11.1), received the pre-Nodo update but not the Nodo.
[Windows Phone 7 General] goldenpipes:
At&T didn't even mess with the themes.... they only have to test a few apps, all of which i uninstall right away anyways....

not to mention you'd think that they could just test thier apps with the emulator that all the devs get when they updated the SDK....

/sigh....

such a pain....
[Windows Phone 7 General] CyK1:
has ANYONE gotten NoDo without flashing the leaked stuff? it's just plain lying from microsoft to call it the march 2011 update when it's not being released in march... they still have a couple of days to pull through though.. I'll be waiting impatiently.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
AT&T

For those of you AT&T:

Facebook - AT&T Update Topic
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
They have till 11:59.99PM on the 31st of March to get these updates out...lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeman:
T-Mobile Samsung omnia 7 unbranded With flashed JK1 firmware 2424.10.11.1, now using 02 sim recieved NoDo 24/03/2011 22:30pm go get it :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kostija:
22:40pm, my omnia says its up to date with 7008...same JK1 Firmware but t-mobo SIM!

I have a O2 SIM somewhere here, will try it.