yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
I know I was wondering the same thing lol. I keep checking and there is no new posts about it!

Hopefully soon. :D
[EVO 4G General] eman3316@optonline.net:
My guess is not soon........
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Yeah, I am not expecting it to be done in 2 months or whatever (ETA's are rude). I just want to make sure the post isn't dead or this gets thrown under the bridge. I am happy with my Evo, WP7 or not. Sure, it would be cool to try something out, but I am perfectly satisfied with all of the work XDA has allowed me to do.
[EVO 4G General] cor4twenty:
after many hours of work I was able to get a stable release. everything is working on it so far. here's the link

can't wait to see one of the devs with a message like that haha
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
I wanna be a tester!!!

I have been so happy once i saw this post, WP7 on and Android..... unbelievable. i have experimented with the launchers on the Market but none of them are really authentic. I hope Ill be able to Donate.....:):)
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
Don't do that you nearly gave me a heart attack
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
not to be a party pooper but unless anyone has talked to myn recently or he is secretly working on this as of now there is no development. until a dev steps up and posts in here, we still need one.
[EVO 4G General] Circular Pastry:
He's in the Myncave!

(and you thought a man cave was cool!)

Probably first developing a "Hater Repellent Myn-Spray" then a booting rom! (Yeah... I went Adam West....)

Tapatalked from my SUpersonic...
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Pretty damn funny......i sure hope that he does not bail on us. on the previous page set up by fixxr androidball bailed. MYN wont let us down though:):):):):)
[EVO 4G General] lakers1624:
In Myn We Trust
[EVO 4G General] chogardjr:
Good luck guys. That will indeed be a very difficult task to achieve.
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
@loonert - Would you please edit your post and remove the "I hope he doesn't..." comment? That could discourage enthusiasm. I'm not trying to be a jerk or knock you, I just think it'd be better not said. We need to be positive and supportive. I hope you agree

I wrote a big long "typical Matt" post last night but must have fallen asleep at my computer and a scheduled restart blew it all away. I've been researching bootloaders on HTC WM devices (SPL) and Android devices (NAND). It was surprisingly more difficult that I had anticipated to find the kind of detailed information I was looking for. I think I will be able to contribute more than I had originally thought. I will still be deferring to Myn and any other more experienced ROM devs (ROM development and bootloader development are entirely different ball games... but these guys will certainly have more experience interacting with SPL). I have no intention accepting any of the pooled donations. I'm in for the experience and opportunity to learn.

For those that want to have something significant to read when you drop in on the thread, I would recommend checking in no more than once per week for a little while. It's going to be slow going at best for the first month or (gasp!) two. That's not being negative, truly, it is simply a reasonable expectation. It's difficult to really explain just how huge a difficult/complex a task this is. Maybe "trying to hand make a high performance internal combustion engine using primitive tools" would be a good metaphor. Very tedious and time consuming. The good news is that it's almost definitely doable! We all just have to be patient.

If you expect a week or possibly more between posts from the devs initially, then you'll much less likely to be disappointed or discouraged. If you go through the old threads from when DFT was working on magldr for the HD2 to support WP7, then you'll see how that went, and know what to expect to some degree.

So be supportive... keep your chin up... encourage the folks that are working to make this happen... be positive...be appreciative... you get the idea. Negativity certainly won't motivate anyone.

If anyone can recommend some good reading on detailed information about bootloaders on mobile devices, please share them!

[Steps down from the soap box] :)
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
attitude we should take

Development is not over it has just begun so be patient this may take some time to so when it's ready breath and prepare to take a breath and hold still you will be in for a ride QUOTE=miphonematt;12546917]@loonert - Would you please edit your post and remove the "I hope he doesn't..." comment? That could discourage enthusiasm. I'm not trying to be a jerk or knock you, I just think it'd be better not said. We need to be positive and supportive. I hope you agree

I wrote a big long "typical Matt" post last night but must have fallen asleep at my computer and a scheduled restart blew it all away. I've been researching bootloaders on HTC WM devices (SPL) and Android devices (NAND). It was surprisingly more difficult that I had anticipated to find the kind of detailed information I was looking for. I think I will be able to contribute more than I had originally thought. I will still be deferring to Myn and any other more experienced ROM devs (ROM development and bootloader development are entirely different ball games... but these guys will certainly have more experience interacting with SPL). I have no intention accepting any of the pooled donations. I'm in for the experience and opportunity to learn.

For those that want to have something significant to read when you drop in on the thread, I would recommend checking in no more than once per week for a little while. It's going to be slow going at best for the first month or (gasp!) two. That's not being negative, truly, it is simply a reasonable expectation. It's difficult to really explain just how huge a difficult/complex a task this is. Maybe "trying to hand make a high performance internal combustion engine using primitive tools" would be a good metaphor. Very tedious and time consuming. The good news is that it's almost definitely doable! We all just have to be patient.

If you expect a week or possibly more between posts from the devs initially, then you'll much less likely to be disappointed or discouraged. If you go through the old threads from when DFT was working on magldr for the HD2 to support WP7, then you'll see how that went, and know what to expect to some degree.

So be supportive... keep your chin up... encourage the folks that are working to make this happen... be positive...be appreciative... you get the idea. Negativity certainly won't motivate anyone.

If anyone can recommend some good reading on detailed information about bootloaders on mobile devices, please share them!

[Steps down from the soap box] :)[/QUOTE]
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Im so sorry, i didnt want to seem negative, it is just that the previous dev DIDNT EVEN START!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Trust me, i have hope in myn though........after all i have used his roms for a very long time
[EVO 4G General] spyke24:
When MYN gets the port I'm in for $50
[EVO 4G General] knightwolf123:
when myn releases a product it is complete. if it is to be done i will pitch in and i dont even want windows on my phone.
[EVO 4G General] jwoytk01:
I'm not being a Debbie downer... but just wondering where the info that Myn was going to do this came from. Love his roms. Just hope this is all true.

Sent by my creepy uncle.
[EVO 4G General] jlechner:
Go back a few pages. Also I have talked to him myself about it if that's what your looking for.
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
As you mentioned, Myn had previously come from the WM world (as Myn stated a few pages back).

I think with Myn being a well respected dev that folks with information would feel inclined to treat him like a peer, and to share information with him.
[EVO 4G General] Funkmon:
I'll put down $30. :D
[EVO 4G General] corelle:
Random and (for encouragement)

I have 3 upgrades so I couldn't wait lol I went and got the Arrive the other day because i dropped my Evo and Asurian said they dont have anymore Evo's lol and I must say I AM FEELING THIS WP7 and i can imagine ounce it really gets going its gonna be a problem in my (Bill Gates Voice) lol
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
I cannot wait for this to come out.. :D
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
what day is it today?
[EVO 4G General] mikel719:
Its april fools why?
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
look at the OP
[EVO 4G General] clark44:
I did it!! I got wp7 booted but vvvveeeerrrryyyyyy bug. Uploading now. Very small wmbtw about 142 mb
[EVO 4G General] lakers1624:
Nice, man. Awesome job.
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
good job;);)
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
What do you mean by that?? i dont see a rom......
[EVO 4G General] jlechner:
Try remembering what day it is.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
.............man i hate today. when they were talking about the rom, i was like "why the hell isnt this more popular!!!!!!" wtf:(:(:(
[EVO 4G General] clark44:
Lmao u guys are slow. APRIL FOOLS!!
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
if they can do it....

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[EVO 4G General] parham1234:
This might be real...i know its a April Fools joke but how would he show that on the phone??? I don't think photoshop can do that :P
[EVO 4G General] mikel719:
So the op started a april fools joke on march 20th?
[EVO 4G General] mario182005:
So really. All jokes aside. Why on earth would you want to put micro**** on a perfectly good android device?
[EVO 4G General] parham1234:
Some people need change. And this os is a perfect one.
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
Read when it was last edited....
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
Exactly what you said
[EVO 4G General] Circular Pastry:
Just because we can.

Tapatalked from my SUpersonic...
[EVO 4G General] xlGmanlx:
i would love to check this out especially when the dual booting gets improved even more
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
any word from myn or another dev on the status of this? do we even know if it's being worked on? i just got done watching videos of wp7 running on the hd2 and i think it would be awesome on the evo as well.
[EVO 4G General] Dozenboy0012:
Eeeteeeayyy?
[EVO 4G General] jlechner:
I haven't heard from him either.
[EVO 4G General] lakers1624:
I haven't recieved any PM's from him.
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
This would really blow if it dropped. I plan on buying a WP7 when I get my upgrade. But if I can dual boot then screw that noise. Please break the ice dev!
[EVO 4G General] ZombieReagan:
To make overly zealous Android/Linux fanboys ***** and moan. :rolleyes: Since no hint of a working rom has even been seriously talked about and there are loads of people *****ing, I'd say it's been wildly successful.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Has MYN actually started work on the bootloader yet....:confused:
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
You guys really gotta stop with this. Seriously. #1 rule of etiquette, don't ask for ETAs. Myn said he's on it, and his word is good. Let's leave it at that ya'll. I'll give you an ETA, Several, several months.

I know how anxious you all are to run WP7 on your EVO. I'm sure some of you understand the extreme complexity of making that happen (and some maybe don't). You are excited and want verification that it is in the works. I understand that... but folks asking for ETA, or comments like "I hope this doesn't get dropped" don't motivate anyone, and certainly don't make any dev feel inclined to post. This is a hobby... even if everyone that has expressed interest donated $50 once completed, that still wouldn't cover the man hours likely to be required to make this happen. Please just be patient and respectful and appreciative. Wouldn't it be worse if we didn't have a dev interested in taking this on? It would be far worse if we had a dev, and chased that dev off by being unappreciative, don't you think?

Not asking for ETAs is int he rules on the OP.

Let's try to keep the discussion to folks that are interested, information necessary to make this project success, and other USEFUL things. Would you guys mind editing your posts to something more positive or useful/constructive?
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
My post has nothing to do with an ETA. I simply said that if the Dev is working on it, he should put it at the first page. So nobody asks for an ETA, *****, moan, etc.

Don't try to say I am flooding the forum with garbage, because I'm not.

And I speak for everyone that wants some clarification of what really is going on here.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Dude Shut up.....i hate seeing your lengthy rants of opinions, k? It would just be good if Myn actually commented on this and told us status updates.... and also words of his work

For future reference just stfu ;);) Stop acting as if you're a mod trying to keep things friendly. opinions should be appreciated, not neglected.
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
myn wrote me last night and cannot start this project until he has more dev interest to help him. sorry guys. :(
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Awwww just great....but isnt the dev that created Dual Boot for the HD2 working with him?
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
no idea, looks like until he can get a team this ain't happening. can't blame him, it would be a huge task to take on by himself.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
Wow, truthfully i actually thought that this would be sort of a monotonous typing and coding deal (maybe it was to boring to do so no one tried) but it turns out that It takes a bit of manpower.

sorry not a dev
[EVO 4G General] NinjaWolf:
Tell myn ill help anyway i can, but i dont know much about "making" a bootloader, but i know alot about android structure/evo hardware/tweaking.
[EVO 4G General] loonert:
maybe you should PM him
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
you all should pm him and other devs too. especially if you want this too happen.
[EVO 4G General] SimianJones:
If you guys are serious about a bounty then why don't you start a Kickstarter?

kickstarter.com/start (apparently I'm not allowed to post links.)

Not only would some people take it a bit more seriously because there would be an actual channel for funds and distribution, but you could also get exposure and support outside of xda-developers.

Of course, if someone starts a kickstarter, it ought to be edited into the OP.
[EVO 4G General] Circular Pastry:
"I hope this doesn't get dropped.", just as this post, is NOT an opinion. It's annoying but not as bad as bickering over the opinion of if its enough to chase off a dev... I can't speak for Myn or any other dev, but I have been mod in a few forums and I know this crap IS enough to shut down a thread as it wont be of any benefit in that state and we need to keep ourselves in check to keep that from happening.

Tapatalked from my SUpersonic...
[EVO 4G General] Virus:
hows progress coming along over here??
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Bro how is my post annoying? Because I am happy to run a fine piece of work on my phone? I'll double my donation to 50 or even 100 to do this.

Oh, to stay on topic, does anyone know if we will be able to run custom kernels such as savaged zen?
[EVO 4G General] mrlamar09:
v u shud jump in with myn u guys make (to me) the quickest n the most stable roms
[EVO 4G General] freexx89:
been waiting for this....

great to see this
[EVO 4G General] fixxxer2008:
myn needs help. hopefully you could take a stab at it.
[EVO 4G General] jlechner:
Same here.
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
I hadn't said that you asked for an ETA, I hadn't said anything specific about what you had said. I was, however, saying that you mentioning your concern about this being "dropped" wasn't constructive nor was it going to help motivate anyone. Not Myn, nor any dev owes you or anyone else any clarification. This is a hobby, and it's supposed to be fun. Comments like that make it not as fun.

If you folks would realize that there will be easily 300 hours of reading/researching, coding, debugging, and banging head against the desk involved in this project, perhaps you'd have a bit more patience.

That's all I've been asking for... is for folks to be patient and positive. I'm a bit disappointed that it seems too much to ask for from folks that want the same thing I do.
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
One step closer in the million mile walk

In teaching myself how to write a bootloader I've managed to create a working menu that uses volume keys to navigate options thanks to code from htc, koush, and coolbho3000. Now, this isn't anything significant by any stretch, but it was a nice exercise interacting with various hardware on the device prior to bootstrapping android.

I'm going to PM cotulla, and ask about coming to an agreement with an NDA or something along those lines to share some of the source code in magldr. I'll let you guys know how that turns out.
[EVO 4G General] HeisRisen:
Why is this under Android Development? Shouldn't it be under Windows 7 Forums?
[EVO 4G General] Dj21o:
Smh...
[EVO 4G General] Circular Pastry:
After this post I will try harder to keep my big mouth shut.

I acknowledge that I'm basically spamming the thread in my attempt to help others understand as they most likely wont head the advice of others anyway. ;-)

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK DEVS!

I hope we see a solid team form, especially if it's a collaboration with Myn and Virus!!

To continue down off-topic lane I don't believe I singled you out in anyway. You seem, as many of us are, to be genuinely excited to see this project come to fruition. My point was that the more arguing happening in this thread the less chance we have of seeing this port actually happen... for multiple reasons. Your prompt response, in which you immediately got defensive, is more similar to what I was talking about.

We need to offer our support to the devs in more ways than simply pledging our donations. Its been stated by many people before that bounties will not be the single thing that causes a team of developers to pour weeks or months of their time into the project. It's the love for what they are doing and the COMMUNITY they are doing it for.

Hopefully by now we've learned what pisses people off on forums (especially this one):

don't ask for e.t.a.'s, "updates", to beta test every third comment you make, to release what the dev has now even though it isn't ready for the masses, to just give up on the project, to try harder on the project.

We are all curious but if we could all be a little more courteous the people sacrificing sleep, recreational activities and family time just to make us happy for a few weeks until we lose interest and flash a new rom will reward us for it.

Sure, can you link us to the HTC Evo W7m forums? :-)

It's here because it's (hopefully) being developed for our hardware. We would LOVE any help we can get from the Windows Mobile devs, but it's likely that they won't know much about the Evo...

Now after a bootloader is working and that OS is booting...

Tapatalked from my SUpersonic...
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
need i post it?
[EVO 4G General] jlechner:
To be honest, it's pointless. Not being negative, but since your not a moderator you can't enforce it. Know I mean man?
[EVO 4G General] lui22:
you couldt have said that in a pm?
[EVO 4G General] miphonematt:
Thank you for your post. I wish I had been less annoyed when I wrote my posts (repeatedly) and maybe they wouldn't have come off as bickering. I really just wanted to get the point across that we need to be supportive, patient, and drop the negativity. I think you put it better than I had.

I'm really excited about this project. The more research I do, the more I feel that this will be my entrance into my contributing to the community. I've been a "coder" for 21 years now, and a software engineer professionally for 15. I've been waiting for the right opportunity, and I feel this is it.

I have a PM into Cotulla asking for source code in whole or in part for magldr and HSPL. I asked in such a way that was sensitive to DFT's vested interest in those softwares, and offered to produce a signed Non Disclosure Agreement (so as to be legally liable if that source code were to fall into the hands of anyone not agreed by them to have access to it). To obtain source for these would give us an enormous jump in the right direction. At that point it would be a matter of porting parts of that code and finding a way to execute HSPL from the EVO and maybe some drivers.

Perhaps if DFT doesn't want to share their source code (which would be entirely understandable) they would like to get involved in this project instead. That would be wonderful. And what an honor it would be to work the development life cycle with the Legends that are the guys from DFT... much like that of working with other legends like cyanogen, Amon, JesusFreke, coolbho3000 and the brilliant likes of them... wow... a dream no doubt.
[EVO 4G General] mitchellvii:
How many people here have actually used Windows Mobile 7?

Just for kicks and out of curiosity, I added another line to my family plan and picked up an HTC Arrive this weekend. I was really looking forward to it and was hoping WM7 would make a better "business" device than Android due to its superior integration of Calendar & Contacts (something that Android, for some odd reason, makes NO attempt to do whatsoever).

Anyway, here are my impressions:

1. As I used the OS I immediately began wondering to myself, what the heck took M$ so long to put this out? It is VERY simplistic to say the least.

2. If you have grown accustomed to Android flexibility, you can pretty much forget that with WM7, it is what it is.

3. Where is my "Menu" button? There isn't one. The only way to bring up a menu within an app is to long press the screen. Most apps had no menu at all.

4. If you don't think you will miss multitasking, let me tell you, you will.

5. No flash. Like multitasking, you'll miss it.

6. Browser is SLOOOOOOOW. Took forever for pages to load even when sitting right next to my WiFi-N router.

7. HERE'S THE DEAL KILLER - When you click on an address in "People", you have the option to generate WRITTEN turn-by-turn directions, but there is NO NAVIGATOR like in Android. I suppose you could try and remember the address and then open the separate Nav app and enter it (you can't paste it into that app) and then navigate that way, but on the fly as you are driving, is that really an option? So, in this age of "no-texting-while-driving", M$ forces us to take our eyes off the road trying to read directions instead of getting turn-by-turn verbal commands? Seriously? School buses full of innocent children cringe in fear.

SUMMARY:

WM7 gives the feeling of maybe a first generation beta or even an alpha build. It is utterly not ready for prime-time. Even the most basic of features (navigation) cannot compete against Android.

If the eventual port of WM7 solves these problems then I'm all for it. WM7 does have its nice features. However, if the WM7 port is just like the current WM7, I think most people will find themselves disappointed.
[EVO 4G General] AyoJake:
i used the arrive at a sprint store for awhile and i actually felt like it was smoother than my evo i also like the layout of it...

but with that said i couldnt give up my evo or my soon to be evo 3d for a wp7 i would just like to have a choice of using it if i wanted to.