yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Thunderbolt General] quattr0:
I apologize in advance if this question a bit off-topic but since I just bought the TB, thought I would ask here.

I'm a new Verizon cust. Looking at the estimate first month's bill, I see a $17.93 Total Estimate Verizon Wireless charge, plus the $35 Activation fee, regular, admin charge...the Total Equipment, Surcharges and Other Charges Credits includes Activation fee comes to $54.85.

Question 1: is the $17.93 (part of the $54.85) monthly charge in addition to my voice+data plan and taxes? It was listed as Total Estimated Verizon Wireless Surchages, excluding Regulartory Charge, Admin charge and taxes.

Question 2: does this "$54.85 Total Equipment, Surcharges and Other Charges Credits includes Activation fee" on you gent/ladies' contract as well?

I have the 900 min individual plan $59.99 plus the 29.99 data. My first bill's estimate is $167. That seems a bit crazy...Sorry I'm noob to Verizon and need to confirm.

TIA.
[Thunderbolt General] wrb123:
I called Verizon customer service at *611 or whatever it is, pressed 0 to speak to someone. I politely explained that I have had nightmares dealing with Sprint customer service and still have my line open with them. I said I was happy with Verizon so far but wondered if they could waive my activation fee as a nice gesture to convince me to keep the thunderbolt and cancel Sprint. I was put on hold and then he said yes he could do that for me ($35 credit). I asked how much my first bill would be and he said $40 (450 minutes voice) +$30 (unlimited data) +tax/fees should put me around $80/month. I'm using google voice for text so I don't need a texting package. He said the first bill might be a little more since they will add a pro-rated charge for the few days before my billing cycle officially begins. He also mentioned the data is in fact truly unlimited when I asked if there were any overage charges or fees or caps, that I can use "as much or as little as you want." nice.
[Thunderbolt General] quattr0:
Thanks for the quick response.

I also did call Verizon and she asured me that for the subsequent bill I will only pay around $90+tax/fees to somewhere around $105.

I guess I was just a bit shocked with the Verizon surcharge. I know I have 14 days but so far I like the phone and the speed and prolly want to keep it. Just wanted to see if anyone else has similar estimate on their first bill.
[Thunderbolt General] unremarked:
I'm gonna cheat a little and copy/paste my explanation from another thread.

"... your sales rep should have explained [that Verizon bills for its service, on contract and off, one month in advanced]. Your first bill will be higher than all the others. You'll be prorated for whatever's left before the end of your billing cycle. So if your billing cycle ends on the 15th, and you activate on the 10, your first bill will be 1month+5 days prorated. Billing cycles are randomly assigned by the system and don't necessarily correspond to when you activate. Hope I explained that adequately."
[Thunderbolt General] evilmunkeh:
Beat me to it! I was going to mention the prorated charges. Btw, my first bill came out to 145. It will be under 100 next month.
[Thunderbolt General] quattr0:
don't get me wrong and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear...The cut-off date for billing cycle is on the 22nd. I just signed up today so they will charge me 2 days ($4 and change). I have not received any bill yet. I was just looking at the estimate first month bill from the contract.

$54 for activation fee ($35) and Verizon surchage+taxes (the difference of $54-35). Again, my question here is if this is normal for any new Verizon customer as it seems high for just activation fee & Verizon surcharge (this is excluding tax & fees from govt). Just wanted to make sure that I didn't get overcharged as I bought it from dealer (not directly from Verizon).

Thanks again.
[Thunderbolt General] unremarked:
Ah, okay, I think I understand.

It's not so much that you're getting overcharged because of shady business practices or anything like that. Whenever you're dealing with an authorized retailer, you need to keep in mind that they are a third party. They are a business who has been authorized to purchase and sell VZW products and services. Note that I say purchase. Those guys buy their gear from VZW and resell them to you. Like any business, their aim is to make a profit. So I would not be surprised to see if they had tacked on a surcharge for themselves.

That being said, I'm looking at my bill and I do see a section marked "Verizon Wireless Surcharges and Other Charges & Credits." I'm not sure if this will work because your first bill might not have actually been generated yet, but if you set up and log onto Verizonwireless.com, you should be able to see a more detailed bill.
[Thunderbolt General] quattr0:
I'm a happy new customer. They indeed credit back the activation fee on my 1st bill!!! I guess I worried for nothing lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sjr19:
Is there a setting I am missing to get your app drawer to show like the one in this picture?

http://www.momentofgeekiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/screnshot_recentappspopup.jpg
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] flamingspaz:
That's a popup for recent apps, you can get it by long pressing the app drawer icon and selecting 'swipe gesture' > 'show popup' > 'recent apps'. Swipe down on the drawer icon and you will see it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sjr19:
Thank you good sir.
[Galaxy S II General] NZtechfreak:
Right here. Wonder if we'll get a demo of MHL connection soon too...
[Galaxy S II General] martino2k6:
MHL demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA

Been posted once or twice already.
[Galaxy S II General] NZtechfreak:
I'm well aware of that link, I mean demo'd with a Galaxy S2.
[Galaxy S II General] martino2k6:
Oh OK, probably does the same thing...
[Galaxy S II General] NZtechfreak:
Indeed, but would be nice to how it actually looks from the SGS2 (and a few other things, like whether the input device screen can be turned off etc).
[Galaxy S II General] AllGamer:
that is so sweet! and so smooth

although it was all in French i made out most of what they were saying :p
[Galaxy S II General] tintol:
The UI really looks smooth. Better than the early demos we saw.
[Thunderbolt General] igotadinc:
I was turning off 4g from my girlfriends TB and noticed that the bottom buttons were lit up after reboot. So I turned off 4g on my TB and same result! Working lights! They turn off when the screen is off and turn back on when the screen is woken up.

Anyone know why this may be? The lights don't work continuously when 4g is on. But do when turned off.
[Thunderbolt General] wrb123:
my lights seem to turn on and off normally but the backlighting behind the home and menu buttons (especially the E in mEnu and the upper right of the house) looks kinda dim.
[Thunderbolt General] lorijuan1024:
They work fine with 4g on lol
[Thunderbolt General] want a droid:
Also works just fine for me..
[Thunderbolt General] igotadinc:
They weren't working for me with 4g on. I live in SLC and we don't have 4g yet. Maybe this could be why or its probably just a coincidence but I thought I'd post my issue/finding to see if I wasn't the only one.
[Thunderbolt General] RafficaX:
I live in Chicago and i have inconsistent working bottoms lights also. hmmm, correction, i had issues. just played with it now to get what it was exactly doing and there are on constantly now when screen is on. yesterday there were only on for a moment then went off.
[Thunderbolt General] rotorocker:
How are you turning off 4g?
[Thunderbolt General] evilmunkeh:
+1. I'd like to know as well.
[Thunderbolt General] angermeans:
I live (and work) in salt lake city too. I can't wait til we get some 4G. We have a LTE tower that just got built in the west valley city verizon call center (where I work) so when i get my thundeebolt on monday or Tuesday I will have access for nine hours a day, five days a week. Good to see a fellow utahn.
[Thunderbolt General] nkd:
Here is how to turn off 4G.

Dial *#*#4636#*#*

Go to phone info.

Select CDMA auto (PRL) to turn on 3g, select this option otherwise you will have issues with texts and calls. This is normal 3g that every phone uses.

Select CDMA/LTE Auto to go back to 4g. Battery life improves, I turn off 4g when my phone is on stand by or when I am not doing anything where I need alot of speed.

Good luck.

Credit to whoever found this first. Don't thank me thank google.
[Thunderbolt General] mcargil05:
The lights seem to be controlled by a light sensor. If you hold your thumb over the Verizon symbol, the lights come. I wish there was a setting to make them come on with the screen.
[Thunderbolt General] igotadinc:
Awesome to hear! I work at ZAGG's corp. Office, so I should get decent 4g coverage from that tower at your work. I thought I was the only one on here from Utah. Haha only kidding. Thanks for the info!
[Thunderbolt General] kinger2:
Mine is also dim in that spot. Is anyone seeing this?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
This is a basic rom and due to early rooting/s-off procedures, requires ADVANCED knowledge. If you are not sure whats going on, please wait to flash.

Rooting instructions:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...he-htc-thunderbolt-and-unlock-its-bootloader/

This rom is just a basic debloated stock Sense, based on the 1.12.605.9 RUU. This is NEWER than what is being currently shipped with the TB.

New rom uploaded, with fixed root and market.

Features:

--Most crap bloat gone. All HTC bloat still there.

--Deodexed.

--Zipaligned.

--Boot animation, startup sound, and shutdown animation re-routed to system/media for more convenient modification.

--Dalvik heapsize increased to 32M.

--Wifi scan interval increased to 90 seconds, from 15 seconds.

--newest market as of today.

--latest gmail as of today.

--busybox 1.19

just a basic rom to get folks rolling. I will be releasing something much better here in the near future.

CWR currently has some issues, so...flashing the kernel becomes a little more challenging. Using adb:

adb reboot bootloader

This should boot you into fastboot usb.

Put the boot.img you downloaded into the same directory your command console is working from. Then:

fastboot flash boot boot.img

Once its done:

fastboot reboot

To verify kernel flashed, your kernel date should be March 1st.

Rom

http://www.multiupload.com/7P2QVZ7EFJ

Kernel

http://www.mediafire.com/?50sowujwsos53ft

Thanks:

jcase, and everyone else who helped with rooting, and ThatDudeButch for being my guinea pig!

Issues: just one that i know of. Sometimes, superuser is lost. Re-use psneuter to reset permissions on su. chmod 4755 /system/xbin/su.

Missing market apps?

Flash this:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2056318/market_fix.zip
[Thunderbolt Android Development] kristopherw:
Badass, adrynalyne! I'm assuming the ROM package is just flashed in CWM like normal? Kernel or ROM first?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
Doesnt matter which is first and yeah, rom is via cwr.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] asenduk:
Thanks!

Now just waiting for a one click method or unrevoked.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] daavy:
adryn, as i'm coming from the fascinate... i'm ecstatic to see you here!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jiggaman508:
Also coming from the fascinate and very excited to see adrynalyne here....I too think ill hold off on this, I'm just not 100% confident with my adb skills yet lol...thanks to everyone taking part in this, you guys are amazing...

Edit: I took the plunge, rooted and s-off, without a hiccup. Was actually pretty easy ;)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] mykenyc:
We got a rom already! Sweet!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] g00s3y:
going to flash this now, i'm lazy. Didn't want to delete everything myself. Thanks
[Thunderbolt Android Development] madfatter:
uh, possibly a dumb question. how do i "click" on something in cwr. on my dinc it was trackbutton. lol im sitting here in cwr like uhhhh?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] wrb123:
power?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] madfatter:
power just makes the menu go away. i read in another thread that somehow theback optino became available randomyl and he used that, but i dunno. if I figure it out ill post it ehre. if anyone else has figured it out, pelase pot back. thanks!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jeffreycentex:
You will need to get a root shell (psneuter, perhaps) and change the permissions on the su if you want root:

chmod 4755 /system/xbin/su
[Thunderbolt Android Development] madfatter:
try holfing the volume up or down keys for a few seconds. i did that right after i plugged in the usb cable. try any of those three. either way, now back buttons acts as ok. HERE WE GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jeffreycentex:
In CWM, keep hitting the volume up/down buttons until CWM says the back button is enabled. Then use that to select.

However, if you are like me, you cannot do a factory reset/wipe in CWM. I have a way around it if you like, but it is a little involved.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] EvilDobe:
Just to be clear... I need to download BOTH of these files and "flash" them both, correct?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] psufan5:
same issue here - cant select anything in rom manager, just shows the manager symbol and nothing happens.

edit: i pushed between the volume buttons and it said something about the back button... now i can do it. I think you have to push both volume rockers to get this thing going?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Sicieler:
Was able to flash the rom ok, but when i try and flash the kernel it just says

< waiting for device >

any ideas?

EDIT:

Fixed, thanks guys
[Thunderbolt Android Development] psufan5:
my root is not working after flashing... mind giving detailed instructions to restore it? Thanks :)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jeffreycentex:
Sounds like you don't have the bootloader driver. Look in Device Manager. Are there any "banged" out items?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] jeffreycentex:
This will get root access back:

To gain root:

adb shell

/data/local/psneuter

The following will remount /system and set up SU:

adb shell

mount -o remount,rw -t ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p25 /system

/data/local/busybox cp /data/local/su /system/xbin/su

chown 0:0 /system/xbin/su

chmod 4755 /system/xbin/su

(Corrected to 4755, not 6755)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dickenam:
where do I get the apk and binary from? mkt? this thread somewhere?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
See previous post.

And no, this is not the software that came with your phone. Nice try.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1003088
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dickenam:
Been there, done that. Thanks a lot for getting a debloated ROM out there for us so quickly.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] cabagekiller:
RafiicaX, the OP is not going to spoon feed everyone. That seems to be a problem people are always give me give me give me, but when something goes wrong they blame everyone else. Adrynalyne shouldn't have to update the OP because there is a thread maybe one or two away that fixes it. Also, this wasn't just adryn. The thunderbolt needed something modified in the SU app and su binaries.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Stoney 666:
Pm sent.

___________________________________

Yup.... The ones yoe momma told ya about.... Bad Seed Customs!!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] gadget!:
And it's very much appreciated by most of us...

Can't wait to see what you do on the Sense end of this phone.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] soulesschild:
Does this have the SU fix ?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=886999

I'm assuming it does but just checking to be sure.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] LeoD:
yes download the zip and flash it with rm. follow the other instructions in the op as well
[Thunderbolt Android Development] cynikalJ:
Is there any way I can get the Verizon voicemail back on this Rom. The icon is missing from the messaging app so I am assuming it got taken out
[Thunderbolt Android Development] -Gilgamesh-:
You can download it from the market, just search for Verizon.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] suzook:
Don't listen to some of the diks on the forum...I love ur roms and appreciate all your work. Looking forward to what you have coming next.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dickenam:
Originally Posted by adrynalyne: "I brought out this rom to help people. I have no plans on continuing it. This was a quick hold over once we had root to get people somewhere, instead of waiting. Instead, I will bring out my own, and likely, an aosp one to boot."

Yes please, bring on the AOSP!! Sense makes me want to break all of my fingers off.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] cynikalJ:
I know I can get it in the market but I liked the integrated one it had before where it was listed with the text messages...
[Thunderbolt Android Development] suzook:
Then go back to stock, and remove what you want yourself. Its very easy.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] kejar31:
Why some people cant understand this is beyond me... BTW thank you for releasing this... It nice to have a working non bloated ROM to use while I work on getting AOSP working :)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dhemke17:
This a great point. You have done a great job and have had a quick turn around for this. Having kids myself I am astonished to see you have any time to do anything! Thanks for everything and can't wait to see the AOSP rom you brought up earlier!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] soulesschild:
Thanks for the rom adrynalyne!

Quick question for any users out there, do you guys have an issue with your phone sleeping? More specifically, I've noticed that my phone display no longer shuts itself off after the time I set...I have to tweak it manually. Not sure why......:confused:
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dhemke17:
Mine does that too. It will shut off sometime but other times it doesn't shut off til I push the lock button.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] soulesschild:
Good to know it's not just me. Thanks for the heads up! Not a HUGE issue since I usually lock it anyway out of security habits. :D
[Thunderbolt Android Development] ncwildcat:
I am having lots of 3g drops today...anybody else? seemed fine the past few days, today it is bad

I am not in 4g area (Raleigh/Durham)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] thejondude:
so i have 2 thunderbolts in front of me. one stock and one rooted i have tired the virus rom, the thunder bolt extreme, the perfect storm, and now the basic debloat roms.

and by disabling mobile veiw in the browser and going to the actual speedtest.net

i have noticed the upload speed is slower on all the roms vs the stock thunderbolt which is confusing does this mean during the root process something changes that makes 4g slower... if need be i can do all the roms vs the stock at 3g speed if some1 things it will provide useful
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Chopes:
Provide some data? How much slower? Seems consistent for me.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] thejondude:
when i get off work il make a chart or something but on average its 2-3 mbps
[Thunderbolt Android Development] CBMC:
Seems like verizon is having network issues.

Verizon Experiencing 4G/3G Data Issues
[Thunderbolt Android Development] thejondude:
i would agree if i didnt have 2 thunderbolts and get different results im going to go back to stock non rooted on the device and see how the speeds are and compare even tho i have a stock TB next to me
[Thunderbolt Android Development] HalfMoon:
Actually,

When I try to use the one in the market it tells me that my phone came with VVM and it prompts me to uninstall it.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
http://www.mediafire.com/?87zyzls7ato32ni

Push to system/app

chmod 755
[Thunderbolt Android Development] ddgarcia05:
The upload is wrong. on your phones browser go to speedtest.net and run a test from there. You'll get actual results. Using the app will give you wrong upload speeds. It was addressed in the whats your speed thread.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Ovrclck:
He stated he went to the actual site, not the app

"and by disabling mobile veiw in the browser and going to the actual speedtest.net"
[Thunderbolt Android Development] madroix:
I would really like to have City Id back. The apk won't install even when I set permissions and place it in /system/app. Help?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
I removed permissions, framework, and the app. Next time I am near a machine to do it, I'll make a patch. Just the apk will not work.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] SolZer:
Hi Adrynalyne, which boot.img to apply? The one included in this thread or will the one in your other thread (kernel with adb root) work in place of this?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] adrynalyne:
either should work, but if you want to use those tweaks, flash that one.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] isdnmatt:
Just wanted to say thank you for this ROM. It's been rock solid for me and really resolved alot of the sluggishness I was having, not to mention the HUGE improvement in battery life.

You also showed really good discretion on what "bloat" to remove. So all in all, well done. The only change I had to make was go to the updated kernel cause of a lot of SU FCs.

Great job and I look forward to your updates.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] SolZer:
Which kernel?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] isdnmatt:
The March 1st one, the one posted. I did the boot.img flash after using the phone for a while because FASTBOOT wasn't cooperating. Got that running and everything was cool.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] ncwildcat:
:eek::eek::eek:Really:eek::eek::eek:

Find city caller...free version that doesn't bug you to sign up for a monthly fee
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Lipmonger:
what he said!
[Thunderbolt Android Development] mikeyinid:
Adryn, this is still the best ROM available :P IMO...
[Thunderbolt Android Development] GermanGuy:
Is there a log file anywhere so we can see what all has been removed in this ROM, also known changes between this latest ROM and the one that the TB ships with?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] cuguy:
fastboot driver

Hi all,

I had some problem with fastboot recognizing my Tbolt but after reinstalling the driver, it was solved. This is what I did:

boot into fastboot usb via: adb reboot bootloader

uninstall HTC driver from Device Manager (DO NOT DELETE DRIVER FROM COMPUTER)

reboot fastboot usb from Tbolt

windows will automatically reinstall the driver (Win7)

check with : fastboot devices in CMD

should work, it did for me!

Hopefully this can help others like me :)
[Thunderbolt Android Development] dadsterflip:
Ok. I lost my root. I have his march 1st kernel suppose to be a fix with lost root. Soo what do I do now? How do I reroot cause everything is fc on the superuser. Please help
[Thunderbolt Android Development] NetworkPIMP:
I'm thinking that you still have root even tho SU is FC'ing on you...

I'm also thinking you don't have the patch'd SU - which you'll find via this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1003088

Here's a direct link to it as well:

http://files.virtuousrom.com/generic/patches/rmk-superuser-v1.0.0.zip

Clear data and cache on installed SU, then flash that zip... should fix you up.

-J
[Thunderbolt Android Development] davezaff:
if you have clockwork mod installed power of and reboot into bootloader then go to recovery and reflash the updated SU patch.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] JAYNO20:
I'm having a problem signing into aol instant messenger after loading this rom. Is there anyway this can be fixed?
[Thunderbolt Android Development] JAYNO20:
"This application requires the Verizon log in client" that's the message I get when trying to log into AIM.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] Bxsteez:
Gave this a shot but i get a "mmap() failed. Operation not permitted" error when i try /data/local/psneuter. Any suggestions?

**fixed****(technically)

After said error i just did the other steps and then tried the SU from the post above and it seemed to work ok.
[Thunderbolt Android Development] komradefox:
Does HTC Sync work with this rom?