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[General Topics] The Dogan:
But these are YOUR phones, they are YOUR possessions. You don't buy a house and then get told you can't paint your kitchen. This should be no different.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
For a term you are more or less leasing the phone. If you break contract you have to return the device up until a certain time period. In this time period it is perfectly understandable that you should not be allowed to root. If you decided to knock down a wall on a house you were renting without permission you'd likely be penalized. This actually could be a not so terrible thing, android is trying to take more control of the OS. Work out the third party crap like sense and it might be a halfway useful OS.
[General Topics] Step666:
How?

How can Motorola or HTC possibly 'limit' my data?

I pay my network for my tariff, not the manufacturer of the handset.

It's the network I have a contract with, not the manufacturer.

It's one thing for a network to take action to ensure that you are not abusing the services they're providing but I cannot see how that has anything to do with manufacturers.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
They have nothing to do with the data. They are trying to start the trend of locking down bootloaders.
[General Topics] souljaboy:
Lol at witchhunt against advanced users on a smartphone platform

Stop qq-ing and change carriers , also let em know why you left #thatsall
[General Topics] The Dogan:
I can understand it,to an extent, if you were on contract (as I mentioned in a previous post) but a lot of the people on here seem to buy a new phone before their contract has finished meaning it's there's to mod as they see fit.

If they only applied these rules for the first 6 months then I can understand it. Protect your business #1. The first 6 months is when most people will cancel their contract and have to return the phone. So that's fine but after a certain period of time or if it's deemed that you have paid off the cost of the phone then you should be able to mod it however you want. After all you're only paying for data services and not the device its self.

On PAYG there is no excuse for this. What you buy is yours.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Very much agreed but two of the biggest OEMs are locking down bootloaders now... I wouldn't be suprised if more followed suit. Android may not be so open source much longer.
[General Topics] wamsille:
The wireless industry reminds me a lot of the airline industry. And it is with that you should all take pause and think for a moment - if you are removing one revenue stream from the carriers they will likely find another way to make up for it somehow. Surcharges for 4G access, more restrictive upgrade policies, lower phone rebates and the like.

I pay the $29 a month premium for wireless data. I'm fine with that. I have yet to use the wireless tethering option on my device nor would I ever see the need to do so. Great to have? Sure, but necessary? Not really. Maybe instead of $20 a month for wireless tethering you pay one flat charge of $39.99 a month that includes data for the phone and whatever device you can connect it to.

I'd rather pay $10 for the feature that I can add and remove than "fight the powers that be" and watch how they lock down root and virtually eliminate customization that we have come to appreciate with Android. I think both sides need to come to terms here.
[General Topics] The Dogan:
However manufacturers could just make 1 or 2 plain flavour phones with the bootloader unlocked. This would provide for the 'moder' market but still keep their locked phones income. The carriers would know these phones were used by 'modders' and have a separate, more realistic plan for them.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
like what? 0 insurance and charge you out the arse if you do anything that uses immense amounts of data?
[General Topics] Step666:
That's not at all how the OP's post reads.

The article he links to touches upon locked bootloaders but that's not directly linked to Verizon's plans to identify rooted handsets - after all, Motorola have been locking their bootloaders for quite a while, not to mention that locking the bootloader alone doesn't actually prevent rooting.
[General Topics] King Speedy:
I can't help but ask, is there any other information that corroborates this story? I see that it's very well written and the premise is certainly believable, but I haven't seen anything else like this come into light. I respect that a story has to break somewhere, I'm just wary of believing anything that only appears on an internet forum without any sort of source information.
[General Topics] donnyp1:
THats what I wondering. And if it is true, so what? there is free wifi in a ton of places. I use my laptop all the time in my business, but havent used tethering in months. I realized I can get wifi anyplace I go practically. Now if your using it to not have a internet cost at home, well thats too bad, I have a fantastic 30mb internet at home on a secure wireless setup, so dont need tethering there. The only issue is the custome mods, and I am sure there will be ways to get those things done. I used to think tethering was a total neccessity, not anymore. Its the people who totally abuse this system that has been in place that is causing carriers to look at ways to block them. I use alot of internet, right on my phone. I can live with what ever they do, as long as the phones keep getting faster and smarter. Just remember though, not one single word of that article has been verified thru any other outlets at all. So for now, it is just a rumor.
[General Topics] Pedro G:
i'm not looking forward to this :/
[General Topics] cac2us:
Go ahead, breach my contract.

I agree that this apears to be primarily a data issue.

However I have an LG Fathom that I got in January.

That unit was advertised to have 256 mb. of RAM.

After so much vzw "Bloatware" I get 211mb.

Then the so called update causes browser issues.

If we are to be "Forcefed" the software on our handset,

then we SHOULD have the rirht to at least dissable or in-install the crap that bogs the functionality of the unit.

If fartbook or twithis can be installed via a cab or OTA, then let that be MY choice, NOT VZW.

If an app that I don't need/use/want is causing MY handset to function poorly at best, then why can't I have access to a custom ROM that might just allow such a thing to occur.

When VZW starts to offer custom ROMs, and properly priced data plans, then "WE THE CONSUMER" won't need to resort to rooting in order to get what we are supposed be paying for.

Since big red let the apple take a bite them, guess who gets stuck with the worm.

I hope this is just a late April fools joke.

If not, then I will just have to find someone else to take my $160.00 USD monthly.
[General Topics] scottjb:
This is your opinion (you're entitled to that) but it's not what you agree to when you buy a data plan. If you're a Verizon customer (I suspect others are the same way) it is clear that tethering is against their policy.
[General Topics] donnyp1:
good point. what they should do is keep the rates the same for 5gigs, but if you want to have the tethering including in your data, make it only 3 or 4 gigs, then after that, you dont get any internet till next month. just a thought. If people didnt abuse the tethering, this probably wouldnt be an issue.
[General Topics] Step666:
Exactly.

It's not a matter of what the networks should or should not offer or what is, subjectively, 'right' or 'wrong'. The only point that matters are the terms and conditions that you have agreed to.

If you don't like them, then you shouldn't've signed up in the first place.

Sadly, some people (NB: this is not directed at anyone in this thread, just a general comment) are either unwilling or simply too stupid to understand this.

And even more sadly, those people never shut up about it...
[General Topics] thelamacmdr:
Is rooting against that particular policy though? Because if you own the device (which for T-Mobile you actually own the device I don't know about Verizon) and you root it then them throttling your data or otherwise would be a violation of your contract, a fairly large violation I'm sure.
[General Topics] hkbladelawhk:
Great. And I was considering dropping T-Mobile for Verizon....F...

I'm so lost as to what to do now. I hate ATT, Verizon is Expensive and is apparently becoming MORE expensive...

WHAT THE HECK TO DO!?
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
It's not all about data hogs. They can support everyone just fine as it is. What it's about is the money. Do you really think that giving them more money is going to magically make the network better? They're the largest carrier in the US and they're doing just fine. If carriers really gave a damn, they would sell you unlimited data and say something like "and you also have 1GB of tethering data per month, use it as you like". I use wireless tether and I don't pay for it. Why? Because I use it rarely and sparingly, say if I'm on the bus to college and I have to finish and upload a paper last second before I get to class.

If they gave a damn tethering allowance with our UNLIMITED data, then it would be better for everyone. Then you could pay more if you wanted more. Worst case is AT&T; They have 2GB of data for phone only and the company still has the audacity to come after people for tethering, force feeding them another limited data plan ($45/month) to up the cap from 2GB to 4GB.
[General Topics] hkbladelawhk:
Exactly why we find ways around it :D
[General Topics] xfullmetal17:
And this is why I'm still on Sprint. The ONLY company left with true unlimited data, save for roaming. (even if it is throttled. I don't believe that "no throttling" commercial for a second. Not with a "throttle' folder in /system/data on my phone...)
[General Topics] jvtechnyc:
G2 ROCKS

I just love my G2, and wanted to add, with the new Gingerbread ROM i just flashed, it just gave my phone new dimension!
[General Topics] dani26286:
Agreed. If u guys allow me, i will have my take on this.

From what i understand up to this point is that this has become an anti tether thing. Me, when i root the device i bought at full price, i dont do it for the sole reason of having the option to tether freely at no charge, as it is understood by some, actually i dont even care if that option is there to begin with, not that it doesnt really help to have it when in a tough spot, i do it cuz i wanna see what capabilities my device has beyond the parameters set up by default, and try to give it a somewhat different flavor than the promoted commercial one, that fits my needs, cuz some manafuctarures trash the google experience to such a point,that there remains little to nothing about that experience, as such, nobody in their right mind has no kind of right to stop me. I mean look at how much the commercial version of android has added from mods through time. From android os perspective, this is where i see innovation, as a mix of what google maybe wanting to achieve, taking in direct consideration what the end user finds as a need to be added as a feature in a platform as capable as such. Thats what i understand by opened, not some conspiracy theory as to squeeze more from what is already paid for, as some see it. Then the manufacturers come into play to provide the best possible hardware to sustain a platform as such.

It kind of feels someone is getting lazy at providing proper specs, thus limiting the proper path of innovation. Just do your jobs properly, and stop finding excuses for your lack of whatever, manufacturers. I know the bottom line is that all of these movements that developed lately, from mergers to limitations for the end user, are all about the money, but if you want to allow proper innovation to take place, you need to look a bit beyond that, and allow it to happen. Why punish us for your lack of inspiration, or capabilty? I just want mine to be left alone, as i choose to add it to a device that i fully own, with the help of the best open source code project for innovation purposes out there, which is GOOGLE'S ANDROID.

rooting the android device is what gave attention to the android os to begin with. it came into play as an opened platform, but opened for innovation, not some stupid money thing. its time for you all manufacturers and service providers to get serious and start to respect us the end users, if you all want our respect in return, otherwise we will all move to the next big thing, and everybody losses, from android's perspective.

.... NOKIA?
[General Topics] Step666:
Congratulations, if there's any truth in what has been said, this is why Verizon are tracking and restricting rooted handsets and why the likes of HTC are locking the bootloader.

It's your fault.
[General Topics] dani26286:
yeah, yeah, calm down!

thats just one opinion, which is a minority. and most likely its sarcasm...

im confused!

you here to help find the proper solution for balance and to protect innovation, or just to protect some interest you have with any of these money hungry businessmen????

this is really starting to be annoying.....
[General Topics] dani26286:
Android 101. Read all about it!

http://androidcommunity.com/android-community-101-android-licensing-20110404/
[General Topics] dani26286:
And look at how GOOGLE gets to / to be // advertise / advertised. Its all positive good feel twoards innovation. Now compare that to what you get to see in most of whats left, with apple business model as a standard, ad 2+2, strech your brain more than you're used to, if you want your self to evolve properly, and tell me what u get. Honestly, all money aside!!!

http://androidcommunity.com/google-ice-cream-sundae-logo-a-new-android-flavor-rumor-20110403/
[General Topics] dani26286:
Chess ... Mate? I guess it all depends on what type of character our officials have. Do follow the link though. You'll soon understand what I'm talking about!

http://androidcommunity.com/android-remains-open-android-remains-powerful-20110401/
[General Topics] hkbladelawhk:
Then again. I'm only temprooted. For setcpu and titanium backup.
[General Topics] dani26286:
. Add that and wireless calling, and carrier domination is at an end. Unbelievably sneaky are some, and all for money...

Of course. On TMO tethering is included by htc, and its free
[General Topics] tronofthedead:
sorry to spam it up guys but I have to ask a question in a different thread and need at least 10 posts to do so. again. sorry.
[General Topics] dani26286:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/ATandT-CEO-TMobile-Merger-Wont-Hurt-Competition-323838/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-media-consortium/the-wavelength-original-r_b_844668.html

finally!
[General Topics] dani26286:
http://www.newsi.es/major-hurdle-between-the-att-and-t-mobile-merger/883466/

what seems to be a status on the proposed merger.
[General Topics] Black6spdZ:
hard to tell now that XDA-dev has put our discussion in to a heap of other non-relavent discussions with non-relavent polls as well.. surely to hide and silence it.
[General Topics] dani26286:
i provide links back and forth, so people do see it.

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/T-Mob...-p/809275/highlight/false?device-view=desktop
[General Topics] dani26286:
www.talkandroid.com/35810-debunking-the-sheep-part-1/

www.talkandroid.com/35916-debunking-the-sheep-part-2/

a couple of known facts about android...
[General Topics] dani26286:
What more proof could there be?

http://phandroid.com/2011/04/04/att-increases-early-upgrade-1-year-contract-device-prices/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-media-consortium/the-wavelength-original-r_b_844668.html
[General Topics] CaseyCat:
There's a Sprint Deal posted in another thread in this forum Sprint Discount Thread

I've been Happy with my Sprint service and it looks like with this discount, my plan will cost even less. I have an unlimited plan too that includes unlimited text, data, and mobile to mobile. It's sweet. Just an idea if you're looking to leave T-Mobile.
[General Topics] JackieOoo:
Here's the link directly to the site's deal... Sprint Deal
[General Topics] Flyball86:
I have been looking at this deal for quite a while now. I want to wait for the EVO 3D though ...
[General Topics] dani26286:
agreed. that would be the smartest move. from what I've been reading on dedicated android sites, is that the new evo will be the first to apply such specs. well, we'll just have to wait and see...

^_^
[General Topics] EStone9:
I was going to wait for the Evo 3D too but I didn't want to miss out on the $125 service credit which expires 4/16. I'm sure when the Evo 3D is out though I'll wish I had it..ha.
[General Topics] Morsolo:
I've been on XDA for a while now and I feel as if I've contributed nothing. (Well, I suppose my feelings are justified).

Well, I came up with a solution for that!

I work for Telstra (for those that haven't heard of us, here's the spiel) and I figured I could lend a hand to people. Now, I'm only sales, so don't expect me to send a strongly worded letter to David Thodey (the CEO) just for you. But, I am familiar with procedures, practices and the system.

Hopefully I can save you from calling, or waiting in a queue at a store. I'm aware most of you guys are just as nerdy as myself, so I'm sure I wont need to deal with much tech support, however, if you've got a question about our plans, phones, services, or just in general, shoot!

Now, obviously, there would be some questions I can't answer due to non-disclosure. However, I will tell you, most of the time, anything Telstra knows, you can find out with some searching on Google.

Disclaimer (doesn't this make me feel professional): I am NOT one of those official "Social Media Representatives" that Telstra have. I'm just an employee who wants to try to lend a hand. My opinions do not reflect Telstra's opinions or views. I am merely an employee for Telstra and don't hold much power. I reserve the right to decline to answer a question (rare cases).

Look, I've even got a shiny new title here on XDA, so you know this is srs bsns. :)
[General Topics] dani26286:
Thank you sir! Do join us, if not already, on the tmo-us forums too, for a more argument based oriented type of discussion.

^_^
[General Topics] dani26286:
On topic:

http://www.brightonpittsfordpost.co...of-proposed-AT-T-T-Mobile-merger-on-Rochester

http://www.oxyweekly.com/opinion/the-empire-strikes-back-1.2143186
[General Topics] Gorilla*:
cool. :) Im gonna try this
[General Topics] HotDog212:
I'm waiting for the Evo 3D too. What's the $125 thing?
[General Topics] atom1989:
it would be good if can use w7 in HD2 :(
[General Topics] dani26286:
On a more positive note:

http://androidcommunity.com/andy-rubin-now-senior-vice-president-of-google-20110408/

Go, Andy, go!!!

^_^
[General Topics] Step666:
So because I don't agree with your deluded take on everything, I must be a stooge?

I told you before, I'm not in the US, I have no vested interests in the policies of any of the networks over there.

But that doesn't make what I have to say any less valid - in fact, because what I say has some grounding in reality, it's far more valid than any of your rants.

That's some cheek.

What's really annoying is repeatedly having to correct you.

I'm going to say this one last time, slowly so maybe it sinks in...

If you want to tether, you have to pay for it. If you only pay for a standard internet bundle that doesn't include tethering, you have no grounds to complain when the network charges you more to do so.

If you don't like the terms and conditions that your network imposes on their data bundles, you should never have signed up to a contract with them in the first place - or at the very least have read the small print first.​
[General Topics] dani26286:
Really now!!! Arent you the one with character!!!

Listen up buddy, cuz im gonna tell u this once and for all!

Overseas, where you live, you dont have to care about the economy I'm experiencing right now, so you shouldn't even dare to have an opinion, out of common sense, if u know what that means, and leave asside all that bundle crap your sending my way. Take a look at the media, news, history, and do your research, beefore posting such ignorant thoughts.

All your little crying asside ,cuz of your little bundles and stupid s\-\iT like that means nothing to me. Thats beside the purpose. Who the hell do you think you are to give me such a response, all the way from Stockholm? You a shareholder, have interests behind this merger? Well, it sucks, cuz im gonna rant, and write, and research, and complain till i make my self heard.

Better yet im gonna ignore your little cryes from now on! The only way you could stop me is if somebody puts me out of my misery, and if that happens... you don't even know who you're talking to, so calm your horses!

Grow up and give me a f\-\©K iNG break, cuz you don't now half of what all of this implies for us.

THERE YOU GO! SATISFIED NOW! YOU SHOULD OF REPLIED TO THIS A LONG TIME AGO.
[General Topics] triggerftu:
technically it is debatable. like sony vs geohotz kinda thing ya know.

hey i have several devices only 1 of them use the data from verizon but none the less. if i am using a custom rom and i end up doing remote desktop to help a family member with a computer issue what then. they goin to say that i'm "misusing the data plan" in essence the phone it self is no different from a computer besides it is running a (excuse my description) compact, portable, googleized linux OS. it runs multimedia, it can run software, it can do all those things a pc can do so why throttle or more less disconnect a person for using an alternative rom/firmware/OS.
[General Topics] dani26286:
yeah, i knew that! thanks ^_^

@step666

i just dont know how some people out of their stupid greed, are so ignorant to even be courageous enough to debate on such topic. i mean...how do you think you're talking to? some brat in high-school who thinks Romania is MAYBE another state in the U.S.A. ? I mean, in all do pure logical honesty...is this the future you want to lead this country in? man, stop posting non-sense, and look at the real issue at hand.

WTF?
[General Topics] Product F(RED):
If you're paying for limited data (ie AT&T), it shouldn't matter how you use that data since there's a cap on it either way. If you're pay for unlimited data, at the very least the carriers should give you a free monthly bucket of data to use for tethering (ie 1GB). Then you can either pay more for a bigger allowance of tethering data or you can pay per GB you go over that allowance. That just makes so much more sense to me.
[General Topics] Morsolo:
C'mon guys,

There are moral and technical issues here. Firstly, well, at the end of the day, when you signed that contract, you agreed to whatever terms were included. If those terms were not listed on the contract; and you disagree with them, then you can dispute the contract, get it revoked and go to another Telco.

However, then the second issue comes into play. It is utter stupid that the Telco wants to dictate how you use your data. At the end of the day, you agreed (and are paying for) "X" amount of data, how you utilize that data should be up to you. Before you know it, they'll be giving you data allowances based on "On-Peak" and "Off-Peak" websites. (i.e. you get 10GB for YouTube and Google, but 2GB for all other sites).

Of course, my previous paragraph was based on the data plans that are limited. If you're getting an unlimited plan, then, well, I suppose (as a business decision), it makes sense to not allow you to tether. Regardless of how right or wrong it is. But, I do agree with PRODUCT F(RED), if you're paying for the unlimited data plan, you should get a limited, set, allowance for tethering.

At least, that's how it would work here in Australia. I am not familiar with all the telecommunication laws elsewhere.