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[Thunderbolt General] jayhammy:
Isn't part of the reason that we claim that Android is better than iPhone is because of CHOICE??? I believe the users should have the CHOICE of using a 1-click solution to root their phones. In actuality, the above argument makes LESS sense because the desperate noobs will try anything to root their phones and will then subsequently BRICK their phones using ADB instead of the 1-click solution.

Please give all users the CHOICE of 1-click and ADB.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, this is partly the reason why the carriers and manufacturers lock down their bootloaders: because they don't want us playing with them. And then the dev community complains at how hard it is, etc., and that the manufacturers should leave the devices more hackable. This is the same argument: someone ELSE deciding what's right for us. I'm sorry....but the devs deciding that ADB will "teach us something" and not give us 1-click root is just plain wrong.
[Thunderbolt General] emarusamun:
I'm glad I had to learn to use adb, at least enough to root. Gave me an appreciation for what the devs went through to get the tbolt rooted. Even though it was rooted quickly doesn't mean it was easy. I clicked one button on my incredible and understood nothing of what was going on.
[Thunderbolt General] Old MuckenMire:
but you still did it, didn't ya? :D

another great point!
[Thunderbolt General] jiggaman508:
Well put... Listen guys,

I can totally relate to being intimidated by the adb root instructions, I wasn't 100% confident with my adb skills either. But I googled what it is and how it works, and about an hour later I felt confident enough to go for it. The knowledge is out there guys (and ladies too) you just have to find it and utilize it. I am no "better" than anyone else on these forums, we can all do this. These devs spend hundreds of hours turning our phones from good to great, is it too much for them to ask that you take a few hours to learn a little command... I hope I haven't offended anyone, that's not my intention whatsoever.

End of rant lol.

Ps. I saw a video tutorial posted on Droid-life if that helps anyone....
[Thunderbolt General] tazzpatriot:
I see both sides.. but to be honest..using adb to root isn't that hard.if u copy and paste the commands ..there is no typing so no messing up .unless the person writing them screwed up somewhere. But if something isn't right with the one click..something could screw up then also.. I'm sure when jcase and crew believe its 100% fool proof it will be released ... Flame away....
[Thunderbolt General] jiggaman508:
+1 Lmao Damn flamers
[Thunderbolt General] ktrinidad:
Learning ADB?

In reality, it is not "teaching" ADB, just be careful and hold your breath. The scripts are there, it's just a matter of copying it into ADB :). If you get a rush out of rooting your phones, it's fun.

Install ADB... Use ADB... Copy and paste the scripts... Easy, yes/no?

But anyhow, users must and should be given the choice.

I am also sure that the devs will release a one-click if and when they are comfortable with it. I'll just wait.
[Thunderbolt General] finanandroid:
Android is freedom , and we love that! But wait we are missing something. Here? Alot of android community love to costumize their phones and get the best of root, even they don't have the ability to learn programing smarthphone language because is not their field, for sure they are great doctor, lawyer, or fellows hard worker enthusiastic with Android OS.

If you tell me that I need to learn MDos and something of A+ to be able to costumize my computer the way we want, probable I will answer no I wont buy it, even greats software's manufacturer includes in their OS a one click Restore and one click factory restore in order to enhance costumers experiences with their products without the need to learn the process of pc repair.

I think one ,two or three click root is a most for androids enthusiasts, if money is all about you well know that every one is willing to pay for it. Thank you for you great work.
[Thunderbolt General] ktrinidad:
ooops... Yep... Like what he said!!! I type slow.
[Thunderbolt General] tazzpatriot:
I have never seen anyone ask for money.... What I've seen .and have talk to a few people working one one click...they wanna make sure there are no issues.. I think its best for them to be sure rather then..1000 rooters in threads *****ing that their program bricked their phone and they can't get a new one ... Where does that get anyone? Then people will ***** they released it to soon
[Thunderbolt General] MsSassypants:
I'm feeling like a mom here

Who I am:

Just a newbie with a lot of experience flashing ROMS on my Dinc, but who has always used Unrevoked to root my phone.

What is the question at hand?

This comes down to a moral issue. Does the person who figures out how to root the phone first have a right to dictate how that method is used or built upon. This is an ethical question. Is there some sort of "copyright" on a rooting method?

Is there more to this?

I'd say yes. But I've seen people attack Jcase and the guy has done nothing wrong (at least that I've seen in IRC or in public spaces). In my experience he's been helpful, kind, and has been nothing short of wonderful. The attacks on him have been BASELESS.

In conclusion

But none of that matters. If there isn't some sort of copyright or agreement of ownership of a rooting method, then dbzfanatic isn't violating anything and should be allowed to post his easyroot (I call it this because it's not truly one click) method. If there is an agreement of ownership, then his post and easyroot method are in violation of that agreement.
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
It is about jcase being greedy and is on a power trip. He acts like he actually dev the code to do it with.... so once he gets off his high horse and lets the one root method come out, then game on.....or be like me and say **** that nonsense and wait for unrevoked
[Thunderbolt General] ridobe:
None of these guys (jcase, etc...) have any obligation to do anything. What they have done is enough. Anything else is gravy. I have not rooted yet and I am contemplating doing so this weekend as I don't have time during the week. I am new to ADB but I am confident that I can figure this out as the instructions are quite clear. I enjoy learing new things and actually look forward to the challenge.

That said, if they were to put out a "one-click" method by Friday, I will more than likely do that instead. I would even pay for it.
[Thunderbolt General] MsSassypants:
Are we on a playground?

No. The word that jumped out at me is "give". No dev here owes you

ANYTHING

. They don't owe you an update, not a one click method, or anything else.

I disagree. I rooted my Tuna Bowl as a first timer (first time ADB rooting instead of one click). Once I got ADB running I simply copied and pasted the commands. There's a reason that there's not been ONE reported bricking. This method is complicated, but it's not difficult... (look below)

if you follow directions.

That would only be an apt anology if you had

a right

to a rooting method. Furthermore, you don't already "own" an automatic. The only one that "owns" the automatic is dbzfanatic.

Ya, that greedy guy is asking for donations to the Boys and Girls clubs instead of taking donations. Real crappy guy there. One thing that gets me is the sense of entitlement some people have in this community. Devs don't owe you anything.
[Thunderbolt General] jiggaman508:
+1000 I totally agree...it was a challenge but I feel accomplished now that its done :)

If only everyone had the same attitude about it....
[Thunderbolt General] bmcclure937:
I think the sense of entitlement in this thread is ridiculous. People have to remember that this is not a business, the developers are not required to meet the need of the client. Just because the users want a one-click root method does not mean they are obligated to develop/release one.

I do not agree with restricting others from creating one-click root methods for the community. But I do not want to get involved in the politics of the whole thing. I will exercise a little patience and appreciation for the work that has already been done.

For God's sake. The Thunderbolt has not even been out for a week! :eek: People are so impatient/anxious these days that they act like everything should be handed to them on a silver platter on day one. We are fortunate enough to have root and S-OFF already! Do not take that for granted!

Give it time. If you cannot wait, then create your own one-click solution to use. I feel that there is an outcry about this for no reason. Everyone knows that a one-click solution will be available. It is all a matter of time.

Agreed. Nobody is obligated to do anything. Most of the people whining and complaining do not understand the first thing about the time and effort it takes to develop something and identify exploits to gain superuser access. On top of that, they treat the developers with disrespect because they do not baby them and release a one-click method within days of rooting the device.

I will say again... the developers of anything (ROM, root exploit, custom kernel, recovery, etc.) are NOT required to do anything for you! Most of them develop as a hobby and for personal satisfaction. Please treat them with respect and as part of the community.

Insulting developers will only make things worse. Complaining will only make things worse! Be productive and patient. Volunteer to test. Provide useful feedback. Give a donation where you feel it is well-deserved. Ultimately, treat the developers as you would want to be treated if you were in their shoes.

Most of the time the developers make decisions to better the community. Sometimes this may mean waiting longer for a "safer" method or a method that has been tested thoroughly.

Hang tight. I am sure everyone will survive :rolleyes:
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
The point is...the dev team aka jcase didnt have to do anything to make a 1 click root ....someone else did it for them....talk about greedy because he wants his name on it and credit for someone elses 1 click root
[Thunderbolt General] :
i think we should all stop posting to this thread using our phones or computers and instead all exchange postal addresses and mail letters back and forth, forwarding handwritten copies of previous letters we received on to the next recipient. i mean, if a huge solar flare hits the earth and wipes out our electronics we need to know how to keep this thread going.

seriously though, i think the guy with one click root (okay a few clicks) should just post it. yeah jcase was cool and found a root method, but that doesn't mean he now dictates who gets to post what on xda which is supposed to be primarily open source. if you like what jcase did, send him a donation. if he can figure that out he could easily write a simple script to automate the commands and circumvent adb. how is a script that follows the official root method steps any different than following the steps yourself, except that its easier, faster, avoids typos, and is good for those of us who dont want to **** with adb unless we have to, because we have jobs, children, families, or other obligations that take priority yet would still like root?
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
I'm not at all saying that it wouldn't be welcome, I know a lot of people are waiting on it. But it would help out everyone, if people knew ADB, what it is, and how it works. And honestly, the root directions are so simple, copy and paste, take it one line at a time. You can't mess them up unless you are careless and aren't checking md5 sum or the lines you are typing.
[Thunderbolt General] jayhammy:
Nobody "owes" anybody anything or has to "give" anybody anything. The issue is HOLDING BACK something when Android is all about OPEN. There's a big difference here. Your ginormous increase in font size of the word ANYTHING evidently shows you're upset about something.
[Thunderbolt General] jayhammy:
Thank you. Well said.
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
Lol, so you have 5 minutes to let a program root your phone, but you don't have 15 minutes to do it yourself?

If you don't have enough time to root the phone yourself how do you have time to mess with it after you root? :p
[Thunderbolt General] tazzpatriot:
Lol yea no **** .. how dare him suggest u help others while people like him help users lol
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
Agreed, and the original founder of said root, not the exploit, should have no say if someone makes a one click root using code/exploits they didnt create... its all about the glory and donations to him only. So glad the greed, fortune, and fame means that much to them.
[Thunderbolt General] droid fetish:
I find it funny that the same people that complain about moto and htc not wanting to make it easy for us to customize our phones, would sit here and tell us we shouldnt customize our phones if we dont know how to use adb. What happened to hepling each other out? I to can use adb. but prefer one click or at least a program you can run with less comands, Im not an idiot. I just prefer an easier method, would you sell a car to someone in pieces because they should learn to fix it before they drive? Work Smarter, Not Harder!!!!
[Thunderbolt General] dbzfanatic:
Guys this seems to be getting a little out of hand. I created an automated version of the rooting process yes but I understand the reasons jcase didn't want me to release it. It's quite large due to the files needed and apparently theirs was going to be smaller. I don't know if theirs would be working on the phone or not, but mine was based from the computer. In a way I agree that asking me to withhold it is a bit much but I also understand the concerns over bricked phones. I did add a few other checks to ensure proper function on top of the md5 sums but there's always a chance something could go wrong. Let's not start an angry mob here, I still have the files and if jcase decides to let me release my method I'll be more than happy to, but if he'd rather wait for his to come out fine. I didn't develop the root method, just made it easier so I don't feel I have much say in this, but yes I did put in my own time and effort and testing for the program I created. I agree people should have choices but the reason I agreed not to release it was to try and avoid needless conflict which is happening here anyway. Let's just calm down and wait and see what develops shall we?
[Thunderbolt General] jiggaman508:
Seriously this thread is going nowhere. Bottom line is, if you want root right now, educate yourself. Otherwise, be patient and quit *****ing. Sorry if it sounds rude guys, just stating the obvious....

This is a great community let's keep it that way...it has only been six days since release lol...
[Thunderbolt General] khanam:
I hope somebody develops the 1 click method. I had my inc rooted with unrevoked. Some of us don't care to get too deep into android sdk etc. We only want to use custom roms, tweaks and kernels. The 30 line method is too manual and we worry that small typo errors could mess something up. I don't care if the purists want us to learn adb. I am not a techie, can't become one and just like easy solutions. In exchange, I expect to donate.

Sent from my Thunderbolt!
[Thunderbolt General] g00s3y:
Are you talking about Jcase? Him or the team aren't even taking donations. Know information on the subject before you just go bashing someone for no reason.
[Thunderbolt General] mrchambo:
+1, khanam. I'm in the same boat...

jc
[Thunderbolt General] khanam:
Hey buddy! Good to see you here. Many inc users seem to have come over.

Sent from my Thunderbolt!
[Thunderbolt General] PJnc284:
If you have it set up correctly with adb and are in the same directory that you downloaded the files to, it's nothing more than copy and paste. No worries of typos then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFD8vWzMmDA
[Thunderbolt General] mrpicolas:
And you wonder why developers don't like to answer questions... Look i don't care for adb but since i write for an android blog i sat down and learned how to use it. That being said, do i use it everyday? No, has it helped me at times? Yes. When things are broke or fc-ng knowing how to run a simple logcat does wonders for the dev.. Jcase has tried to help every single person asking for help in irc... Greedy not at all... Without his team you all would not even be rooted... As for a one click method Quit complaining and have some patience... Jcase wants to make sure any method used is safe. Because guess what, when that one click messes something up (remember easyroot) guess who your gonna blame... My guess is Jcase and friends... Just remember nothing ventured nothing gained.. Remember your owed nothing in this world you want it that bad go get it for yourself. Also imo... Of you want full access to your phone you have the responsibility to understand what it truly is.. if your rooting just to root cause its what everyone is doing you have no buissness doing it in the first place..

Just my 2 cents
[Thunderbolt General] jiggaman508:
Oh man Mrpicolas I couldn't have said it better myself. Glad to see some DL input here on xda ;)
[Thunderbolt General] AdamAlter:
I plan to root this weekend since I'm so busy with work and I want to make sure I have a couple hours set aside to go through it n00b style and set everything up how I want it.

My only reasons to root are to get the bloatware off, change the top bar to show a % battery that matches better, and a few other features like being able to take screenshots and stuff.

If someone releases a 1 click, or easier method involving a program or script I would greatly appreciate it and have no issues in donating more to the work.

I have no desire to become an expert with abd no more than I care to understand the back end installation process of Windows. I have my career and hobbies already and do very well with them. My idea of technical involves an oScope in one hobby and split testing landing pages for websites like Domino's Pizza to increase conversion and PPC quality score directly impacting revenue by hundreds of thousands and being rewarded greatly for it. Any time outside of these things I prefer go to my family. I just want a little better phone experience without the bloatware and see the batt % in a cleaner top bar basically lol.

So, if someone puts out an easier root option, THANKS, if not, thanks for already sharing a method with us!
[Thunderbolt General] MsSassypants:
I'm "upset" with people who change words to "holding back" from "owe" but mean the same thing. Apparently jcase and dbzfanatic have some sort of agreement about not posting the easyroot solution. Nothing is stopping you from creating it and posting it. Right?
[Thunderbolt General] magneticzero:
and that is where Unrevoked steps in and fills that void....come on unrevoked!
[Thunderbolt General] youneek:
+1

Sent from my Thunderbolt
[Thunderbolt General] virgillio:
It would be nice to if we could all just stop and think about all of this. XDA is an invaluable partner where we all benefit from contributions, sharing and discussion. As the Android community grows new members are joining everyday and some do not have the background or knowledge that many senior members have.

Rooting is very important and can sometimes frustrate or intimidate the casual user. While the direction are clear and precise I can see why many people would prefer an easier method. I trust the members of XDA and if a member request that another member hold off on simplifying the process you can trust they have good reason. Someday you will have a brick in your hand and these are the very same people you will ask for help.

I have rooted many phones and still have to ask for help when the dialer is not right, SMS is acting funky, the included Kernel screws something up...the list goes on and on. Trust and respect the members of this board, they will be the key in helping you when you most need it.

There are more and more Android phones being sold each day and as the community grows we must remember that goal of our Android community is to be open and inclusive not an exclusive club for those that have the most knowledge.
[Thunderbolt General] Dominicano2430:
dbzfanatic

Does your one-click work on the newer firmware 1.12.605.9 ??
[Thunderbolt General] Studsted:
That was very well said! I am completely new to Andriod as the T-bolt is my first smart phone, I've been waiting for the forward facing camera on Verizon. As I am a techy I fully plan to root my phone so that I have control. I will probably pick up some ADB over time but would like it done simple and quick the first time so that I can get to what's important. Those that feel it would be a good idea to learn ADB just incase are going to anyway to be safe. Those that want a quick root are going to learn just enough to get them in trouble AND try a quick root. Then they forget it and are asking on these forums for help anyway. Just my $0.02
[Thunderbolt General] dbzfanatic:
I have no idea, and it's not a one-click root but it's close. It's the same method that was originally posted but automated to make things easier and faster.
[Thunderbolt General] Dominicano2430:
Since the newer firmware is better with battery
[Thunderbolt General] Dominicano2430:
Is there any way you could PM me the program. I'd like to try that out because i originally rooted it the long way took hrs, and once I updated the firmware i lost root.
[Thunderbolt General] dbzfanatic:
If you can't re-root with the posted method my program isn't going to help at all. It's exactly the same just faster.
[Thunderbolt General] Dominicano2430:
No I understand that, but I want to use your program because I don't want to take 2hrs doing the long way just to find out it doesn't work
[Thunderbolt General] cliffco823:
I am new to android and would love to learn ADB. The TB is my first Android phone. I come from the Windows Mobile world where I flashed new ROMS all the time.

The posted rooting steps are not written for newbies. Personally I would like the choice, but I do want to learn ADB. If more detailed instructions (maybe even a video) was posted it would seems less intimidating. IMHO.
[Thunderbolt General] Old MuckenMire:
I don't think it will(tho I could always be wrong)

Once you are rooted, you should never upgrade your firmware until a ROOTED version of that firmware is released.

This will be the same when/if Verizon releases an official update: you will need to hold off until it gets rooted, then install that version. It's one of the prices of being rooted: you have to sometimes wait a little while for upgrades but in return you have more control over your phone.
[Thunderbolt General] Dominicano2430:
I don't think that anyone has tried it, it'd be cool if it did though.
[Thunderbolt General] jawonder:
I've had a Droid X from the day it came out and i rooted it and tried every rom that worked on it , yesterday i bought a Thunderbolt , i still have my X but the main reason i bought the Thunderbolt it has or will have compared to the X . I'm no expert and from the moment i look at the method using AB i know i won't try it , it's too deep for me that's why i haven't rooted my Xoom yet but i want to root my Thunderbolt and get me some Cyanogen and the other good stuff i can't get on the Droid X so if there is a easier way i'm glad for that and i will pay whatever they charge for it because i know it took some time and effort to to put it together . I know you guys want to release it when it's perfect but please don't take too long . I don't know if i can say this on here but if there's some one on here that can help me by walking me through the step with ADB i will or can compensate you greatly just PM me . I have a Mac and PC if that helps .
[Thunderbolt General] Old MuckenMire:
dude quit spamming this thread already
[Thunderbolt General] Old MuckenMire:
You can always downgrade back to the original firmware and re-root(using either method). If you are getting better battery life I would stick where you are at and wait for the firmware to get rooted. But that's just me.
[Thunderbolt General] Old MuckenMire:
You don't need to apologize :) Thanks for understanding. :):)