Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KHC NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

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TELCON

Laird/Kissinger

10:23 am 4/13/70

K: The President doesn't really want to meet the civilian secretaries if it can be avoided. He has an <u>opportunity</u> meeting at 3:00.

L: I talked to him and <u>just a cup</u> of coffee after lunch.

K: He knows but now he regrets it.

L: I have invited them from 2 - 2:15. I can call if off. I was going to have <u>another</u> the luncheon, then a <u>key</u> cup of coffee and then he could leave by 2:30. He wants to meet with Zumwalt doesn't he? I flew him in and have him hidden away here.

K: For two or three minutes.

L: I have Foster, the service secretaries and the assistant secretaries coming in for coffee.

K: How late can you call them off? Let me talk to him again. He hates to run from one appointment to the other. He gets exuberant and then regrets it.

L: He said he wanted a few key civilians so I invited 8 or 9. But I can call if off.

K: I am seeing him with Kendall and I can bring it up again.

L: I can start it earlier so he can get out by 2:15.

K: He wants a good session with the Chiefs.

L: If you want me to cancel out -- I said I didn't think the key civilian people should come in with the Chiefs. So I set up this coffee.

K: I will talk to him and you can cancel in an hour from now. Maybe we can cut it <u>down</u> to 10 mins and 5 mins. with Zumwalt. Zumwalt he has to see.

L: I flew him in here and have him hidden in the building.

K: The idea is to have the announcement made tomorrow and then you follow it up.

L: We will have a meeting at 11:00 and then <u>pictures</u>. The President would get tied up too long if he has to meet with them and bring the press in.

K: Let me talk to him.

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By KHL NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

TELCOM

McNamara/Kissinger

10:37 am

4/13/70

M: I called Larry Lynn as I said I would. I found him practically set and concrete. He said he had gone so far in his plans with Stanford it would be embarrassing to change them. I said it would be embarrassing to the President if he didn't change them. I gave him a real sales pitch. I said he would be leaving a vacuum and his absence would be a great ______ to you.

K: We have brought SALT to a point which we could not have done without that systems analyses.

M: After I got through, he said he would reconsider. If there's anything else, let me know.

K: He hasn't said anything to me yet but if you think another talk would help -- but you seem to have said everything that would matter.

M: At one point he said he was shaken and would re-consider. He said eventually he would like to return to government and he wondered if a future government would tar him if he stayed on this. I told him that a thing that would tar him would be to walk out in the middle.

K: I'm the one taking the policy rap.

M: I said that ? ? ? ? ?

K: I don't believe it will hurt him.

M: I don't either and it will expand his experience. Some of the things he has worked on will come to fruition in the next year.

K: His role is that of an analyst and he won't suffer.

M: Keep me informed. The second point is the problem of the 3rd idea replenishment (?).

K: I haven't had a full read out but I don't think it was raised. I could call the Germany Ambassador and say it wasn't raised but should have been.

M: I think it's damn important because there's a meeting tomorrow between ? ? ? in Bonn.

K: I will call Pauls and be sure to raise it.

M: It's possible that Rogers brought it up with him.

By KHU NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCON
Laird/Kissinger

10:45 am 4/13/70

L: I have been thinking about this and because of the time I will call those people and slip that out of there.

K: Let me talk to him.

L: With Assit. Secretaries and ______ it might be too much for him. We can slip that out.

K: Let me tell him you are willing to cancel it. Do you gain anything in an hour?"

L: No.

K: I will tell him you are not putting pressure on him.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

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By: KHL NARA, Date: 5/13/04

TELCOM

Vice President/Kissinger

10:55 am

4/13/70

VP: Are you busy at lunch today?

K: I'm going to meet with the President to the Pentagon. Could we do it tomorrow?

VP: I will be gone the rest of the week. Are you busy at the present time?

K: I'm waiting to see the President with Don Kendall, the Pepsi-Cola fellow. Then I might be free for half an hour between that and 12:00.

VP: I want to discuss foreign travel for me of a limited sort and then something more extensive after Congress is out of session. If you have half an hour free between now and lunch time give me a call. If I don't hear from you, I will know you got boxed in. I leave for Des Moines shortly after noon.

K: I will do my damnedest.

By KHL NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCON
Farley/Kissinger
5:00 pm 4113/70

K: I wanted to check with you about what instructions everybody has for press relations. Is the nature of our position going to suffer?

F: Of course, on the negative side you reiterateed the side on avoidance leaks. We have no public posture we want to show. We have been reluctant ? ? ? ? ? ? . Gerry had no contact with the Soviets.

K: The President is thinking of some Congressional briefing next week. He wants to make sure there's no leak before that.

F: He made that positive.

K: He doesn't want any discussion between a _leak (?)_ and backgrounding. He considers them the same. If there's any backgrounding done, we will discuss it with you first.

F: Gerry _background_ decided not to have a backgrounder this time. I will talk with him this evening.

K: You have our thing on the NATO consultation (?).

F: There will be no trouble at all. I have talked with Larry and he will work up an analytic piece and we can work it into the schedule in Vienna.

K: Good and thank you.

By: KHC NARA, Dated: 5/12/04

Telecon
Secretary Stans
4/13/70 6:30 p.m.

K: That menace Kendall was in here today. How did he find out about this?

S: I guess from Flanigan.

K: I want Flanigan out of this picture.

S: I think he should be.

K: Kendall thinks he has a Presidential charter to browbeat you. I am here to tell you that's nonsense.

S: I'm glad I did. I'm having lunch with him on ________.

K: So just hang tough.

S: I was prepared to tell him that I'm not going along with any of his plans.

K: It's quite obvious now that Kendall screwed the whole thing up. That weekend that they were about to agree, he came in and told them his plan was better. He proudly told this to the President. Believe me, the President was not amused.

S: It's too bad he got into the act.

K: We had it practically done. He made it impossible for Sato to overrule the people he had to overrule. How did he know about the new proposal?

S K: From Flanigan I guess.

K: What's his interest in this?

S: I don't know.

K: I am going to call Flanigan right now.

S: Yes, but remember that I deal with him every day.

K: Yes.

S: I'm just going to tell him we can't buy it.

K: Just tell him you want him out of it.