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Rose Mary Woods
Mr. Kissinger

3-13-69

10:05 AM

Miss Woods said the President wanted K to call General Schultz to see if Eisenhower would like a briefing on our ABM decision prior to the announcement. President said briefing should be done by Laird or Packard and will have to be done before 12:00 N tomorrow. President then told Miss Woods to tell K that he thinks Laird or Packard ought to inform LBJ of decision today. W and K agreed that this could probably be done by telephone rather than having someone go to Texas.

first.

K said President has to see Laird. K will call Schultz right away but will hold off on LBJ until he has a chance to see the President.

(call placed to Schultz at 10:10 - he will return it as he was not available)

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Secy Rogers - Mr. Kissinger

3-13-69 12:00 N

R said he had just got a call from Cliff Case and he feels very strongly that the President should delay decision six months and have study group on all strategic matters. Otherwise, we will run into a serious Congressional problem. R said he was just passing this along.

K said he has made his decision but K does not have a clear text of anything yet. K said he would send over to R what President has before him now, however. K said he has paper for President which makes the strongest possible case against it, which K wants him to read before he locks himself in - K said he owes this to him. K said when he talked to Packard he was not opposed to a delay. There is one option to do R&D only but that would kill it. K said even under present program the first missile site isn't to be completed until 1973 so we are not rushing into something for a long time. Other possibility is to delay. K said he will send R what he has on a personal basis.

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Secy Laird - Mr. Kissinger

3-13-69 4:10 PM

K said President feels very strongly that planning has to be kept to small circle - there can be no leaks beforehand. L asked whether there is longer term plan on troops. K said yes. L said we have to crank a few people into this - they will be military and we do not have to worry about it. L said what you need in order to get a point system worked out in all these matters is four to five months. K said President wants to have that on Monday.

L said when it is done this is something President should do and no one else. L said recommendations are forthcoming. K said tell him exactly what has to be done, paragraph by paragraph.

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Secy Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
3/13/69 4:20 pm

ABM matters

HAK said the President had asked him to call, after Rogers & the President had talked. HAK thinks in many places we can substitute "construction" for "deployment." He doesn't think it will make a lot of difference, but if it eases the pain a little... The impression Rogers would like to convey is that deployment occurs when the site is operational. Construction is one thing, and deployment is when the site becomes operational. Rogers said one of the reasons it is important is, if somewhere along the line we decided to, we could stop construction, but we still wouldn't have them deployed. Rogers was a little hazy as to what "deployment" really meant, and HAK said it usually means is that the whole system is in action.

Rogers: (referring to text) change the word "deployment" to "construction." next sentence same, It will be planned, not deployed. Without saying so, it defines deployment in terms of when it becomes (operational?). The first site will not be operational until '73. Any delay in proceeding now would delay this date by over two years. No responsible President could run this risk. This planned deployment is the minimum necessary to maintain the security of our nation.

HAK said the President had given him these changes. The only change HAK would make is where it says "it is planned" I wanted to use the word "implement."

Rogers said the first we use the word "deployment" -- "deployment doesn't occur until 1973. People will say, why don't you delay the missile?

HAK: When we are asked if this will hurt the arms control talks -- we can say the Soviets have 67 already operational -- I don't know when we will have 67.

Rogers: We won't have 67 until '77, probably. If you will notice, every newspaper uses "deployment." If we can redefine it this way...

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HAK: The only change I had was "implementation" instead of "deployment." Better word than "planned." Do you need an approved text to get Harlan consulting? It will take another hour or so. (HAK said he would send him copy)

Rogers: What about the Germans?

HAK: I would get them in the morning.

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Secy Packard

Mr. Kissinger
3/13/69 4:30 p. m.

HAK asked why Packard won't let him use that the first site
won't be operational until October 1973. It would lead into
such a nice punchline. Packard said they didn't really feel
very strongly about that, but thought it would be safer not to
be specific. HAK said, how about '73 without saying October,
Let's say "no earlier than '73." Packard repeated it was not
a very strong view with him.

Packard said he had a visit with Lee DuBridge and he seemed
to be reasonably sympathetic -- probably he is not going to be
a strong advocate, but we could get him to give us some support.
Packard is having some attend the PSAC meeting and see if we
can get some support in PSAC. HAK thought it a good idea.

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Senator Javits
Mr. Kissinger
3-13-69 AM

J asked whether K got anything out of our friend with respect to Wayne Kwayne, Wayne Morse thing. K said not yet - he is completely occupied with ABM but K expects to get something out of him today. J said he saw him last night and President talked to him about Peru - J said he remembered him in connection with something in Peru. J said President indicated that he thought J might go down there. J said he would be hesitant to do so without some encouragement from K on it and asked if he should talk to Rogers too. K said yes.

J invited K to dinner at his home on Tuesday night with Len Garment, Shakespeare, Elliot Richardson and two or three of his colleagues. K said he would be pleased to come - time was set for about 9:00.

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