H. J. Kissinger, U. S. Air Force
Reclassified Source

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295B, Sect. 3.6

TELCOM

Mr. Kissinger/Amb. Dobrynin

8/12/82 12:00 noon

By: KMLV NARA, Date: 5/12/82

AD: Henry, you are working on Saturday.

HK: Yes, and I am leaving the office now.

AD: Oh, that's too bad. Because when you go outside your office, I don't know what you are doing and then I begin worrying.

HK: I am planning on taking a secret trip to North Vietnam--no not to North Vietnam to North Korea.

AD: (laughing) Both sides ______ the Red Cross. I hope you have nothing to do with the Red Cross.

HK: No, not yet.

AD: But the Blue Cross is another storey, but not the Red Cross.... Yes, you called me yesterday.

HK: On that matter we discussed that film, I have talked to the publisher of Time-Life--Donovan, and of course, he'd reject any right of the White House to tell him what to do with his film, so he made a long speech on that, but I think there is a very strong possibility, that they' will not sell it this year, I mean that they will not release it for exhibition this year.

AD: Was it intended for international or ....

HK: They were sell it to try to get it on television and but I think we are... every possibility that it will not happen this year. Now, I put it on the grounds--what is that 50th Anniversary you were mentioning?

AD: The creation of the Soviet Union.

HK: Was that in '22?

AD: It was in '22. Of course, before it was a revolution, actually it wasn't Russia.

HK: Then it's the 50th Anniversary of what?

AD: No, no it was the creation of the Socialist Republic.

The president of the country is the
president, not the prime minister.
Presidential Briefing

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.H. W. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCORN

Mr. Kissinger/Headley Donovan

3:05 p.m. 8/11/72

HK: You will be pleased to know I am not calling you about any trans-
gressions your publications committed against us.

HD: Dood

HK: Although the paranoia is growing as the election approaches.

HD: Oh, I thought peace had broken out with the press.

HK: You will all have to pay for it on November 8.
Headley, I had lunch with Dobrynin today and he said they had heard
that that film I saw on Krushchev is being released by you in the Fall
--I don't know in what way, and he wanted to point out with us that
this coincides with the 50th Anniversary of the celebration of the
Russian Revolution and therefore if you could defer whatever it is you
are planning to do until the new year, it would appreciate this very
much. Know I don't know what he is talking about--what it is you are
planning to do in October--

HD: I am afraid I don't know either, but I'll find out.

HK: Could you let me know?

HD: Yes.

HK: If we could do a little service like that for him, they'd --I think it'd
be useful.

HD: I'll see what I can find out and let you know, Henry.

HK: All right.

HD: Fine, good to talk to you.

The President's Office
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20505

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 1293, Sept. 3.6

By: KMLW NAVA Date: 5/13/04

Telcon

The President

August 11, 1972; 4:15 p.m.

P: Hello.

K: Mr. President.

P: How are you? I worked out that situation on the plane.

K: Marvelous.

P: I told Haldeman to have Rose invite Mrs. Longworth. That way you can handle Stu. Say the President is inviting Mrs. Longworth to go and would like him to come too. I don't want him to feel he is restricted as press. Let him feel he is a guest and sit with her. Say we want him to go down on the same plane. We will leave sometime around one perhaps, on Tuesday.

K: Right.

P: Say we will let him know the time later.

K: That's very generous.

P: It's a good thing to do. Delighted to have them.

K: I had lunch with Dobrynin. I gave him some of the points you made this morning.

P: Good.

K: He was extremely pleased. I think they are really staying fully aboard. What they are told by the North Vietnamese. He was glad we haven't made any drastic moves on Egypt.

P: Of course not.

K: He said one reason they pulled out so fast is because they think the Egyptian military will get so fed up by their inability to handle the equipment they may move on Sadat.

P: You ought to work it out so we can do something on that Japanese thing. I don't know how intricate it is.

K: Flanigan is opposed to it, on commercial grounds.

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P: It would be much more to their interest to get us out of it.

K: I don't think getting us out is their major objective. Their major objective is to get us to overthrow Thieu because they are afraid they won't be able to do it themselves.

P: That all fits in with everything that was in that memo of yours. They might come back and say they have offered to return prisoners if they overturn Thieu. And we can say that is nothing new.

K: Exactly.

P: You don't think they would try to use him as a conduit?

K: No.

P: Why not?

K: Because the sort of proposal you are talking about they know with slight modifications they can get from us. Because that is a solution of the military problem. They have made the point to me that they don't want to settle military problems. They want to settle political problem. They won't offer any candidate 23 points behind on the opinion polls what if they offered it to us they would settle. That is the hard way to do it. They might surface the proposal they made to me and that would give us a hell of a problem.

P: We could say we are negotiating it, but...

K: That is right, but if they were smart they would have accepted our proposal of May 31, 1971, because we would have been out of there and they could have probably taken over. I think they will string us along in these negotiations through September and then give us a blow in October. But not that they will make an offer to McGovern that we could answer that they make it to McGovern rather than to us.

P: With regard to the present military situation too, it would appear they may be husbanding their resources for the October blow. I don't know -- they certainly are waiting on their Hue attack, aren't they?

K: Maybe they have lost so many people they couldn't get it going. We had a prisoner from the 704 Division the other day. They started out with 550 men in May. Got 250 replacements, but were down to 180 people