DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCORN

Shultz/Kissinger

12:00 pm

8/19/70

K: (Laineyelling and screaming that he has to take another defense cut.

S: What does that mean?

K: A balloon (?) (in '71.

S: I will find out about it.

K: He says he doesn't want a piece of paper from you. He will get the House to get it.

S: I will check on that.

K: On that he basis an accelerated troop withdrawal from VN.

S: If it's going to be cut it seems to me we should do it.

K: It's bad policy for the Secy. of Defense to tell his staff he is for a higher budget and then ask Congress to cut it.

S: That was a weird meeting.

K: We were reversing courses so fast my head was spinning.

S: David got that message. Dox It's an appealing statement to have to make. With lack of appreciation of volunteer armed forces.

K: The thing that ________ me at these meetings is that no one has to think they are making history.

S: How is your schedule this afternoon?

K: It's almost impossible. Do you want to talk?

S: I had a discussion with Rogers about an hour.

K: You will find him a vicious fighter.

S: I said we would talk in S. C.

K: Maybe we can talk after dinner tonight or in Calif.

S: But what will he do inbetween?

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TELCORN

Gov. Dewey/Kissinger

12:27 pm

8/19/70

K: It was my first time in New Orleans and I enjoyed it.

D: It's a hard place to stay sober. I had a pleasant dinner with the President last night. I asked him if he really wants us to keep on this and he said he did. Lucius and I will come down and do our homework.

K: It's important. We are going to the West Coast. We will have to do it in Sept. Can you come to the West Coast?

D: It's not necessary. I understand that view is the most beautiful in the world.

K: I will be back around Sept. 9-10. We will get together afterwards.

D: I will speak with Lucius after we have a couple of dates. When are you going?

K: Tomorrow morning.

D: I hope you have nothing but good news.

K: A number of things seem to be moving.

D: I wish Israel would stop being so demanding. We can't say we don't support them. Can't we tell them it stops public support here.

K: They are screaming the wrong thing anyway. We cannot get the Russians out of Eygpt.

D: I saw ? ? ? in the headlines yesterday.

K: I didn't see it.

D: Asking for ______ and not very smart. Creating more demands and we have enough. Do you give us a 25% chance there?

K: The toughest part of initiating is still ahead of us. We have to keep the momentum up.

D: It's terribly important.

K: I agree.

D: It's hard to assess it which is more important.

K: They reinforce each other.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN

Gov. Dewey/Kissinger

12:27 pm

8/19/70

K: Tomorrow morning.

D: I wish Israel would stop being so demanding. Can't we tell them it stops public support here.

K: I didn't see it.

D: It's terribly important.

K: I agree.

K: They reinforce each other.

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TELCON
Packard/Kissinger
1:00 pm 8/19/70

P: What the scoop on Ed David on the President's science Council. Everyone is fussed up on this.

K: That's Back Flanigan's. I have nothing to do with it. They are trying to downgrade PSAC.

P: It may be alright. I have mixed emotions about PSAC but I don't like to slap at the scientific community. He is a good guy but not highly thought of and everyone thinks it's an insult.

K: I don't know him. I think the President is restive about his panels running around lobbying against him.

P: I wondered if you knew about it.

K: I think that they don't mind a slap at the fraternity.

P: I will call Flanigan.

K: That's as much as I know about it.

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TELCON
Stennis/Kissinger
3:50 pm 8/19/70

S: I am down to the line on this Goldwater/Hatfield amendment on the volunteer army.

K: I promised you guidelines.

S: They are presenting? ?? now. They want to know tomorrow. I can start the debate but --

K: It's not in my ship. Can I get to you in half an hour? I am sure we are against it.

S: I just want it in front of you.

K: I will get back to you.

Further conversation: 4:02 pm

K: I have confirmed my understanding that we are opposed to the amendment. We want it defeated on procedural grounds at this point. That this should go through committee hearings.

S: Yes. That's fine. Defeat as an amendment but you propose it in the proper time. On a bill of its own. That's fine. Thank you. To what extent am I authorized that I know this is the position?

K: You can say that.

S: Say I called the WH and this is what I got. May I use your name in the cloak room but not in debate?

K: To people who are. To the press I'd prefer you not use my name. I will leave that to your discretion.

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TELCORN
Ken Cole/Kissinger
4:00 pm 8/19/70

K: What's our position of the volunteer army.

C: We are against the Hatfield amendment.

K: So I can say the WH is against it.

C: Yes. When we talked to Ken Belieu and Belieu was to see Stennis and we said the way to fight this was not? ? ? ? but on a procedural issue -- that is, it's far too important for the Senate to talk about without having hearings on this. You have to say we are for it but it's so important we need to have hearings.

K: Stennis wants to know what the game is and will only talk take it from me.

C: Belieu was supposed to talk to him.

K: No one listens to Belieu. I understand.

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TELECON

Kirk Douglas/Mr. Kissinger

5:25 p.m., August 19, 1970

D: How are you?

K: Where are you?

D: In New York; In one hour I leave for Spain.

K: I thought I hurt your feelings, since I hadn't heard from you.

D: I didn't know what my plans were. I got that nice note you wrote. How is everything going? Everything got hectic for me as well.

K: I would like to get you together with Bob Finch.

D: I would like that very much, but I have to leave for Spain. By the end of November when I return, I will have finished the toughest year ever.

K: Will you try to come through Washington on your way back?

D: If I do, I will certainly call you to see what your schedule is. Ann will probably be in California.

K: I am going out tomorrow. How is Ann feeling?

D: She's feeling much better. Joan Braden came over for a few days. Why don't you call her.

K: I would love to. Maybe she would like to come to San Clemente.

D: Just call her -- she will appreciate it.

K: I certainly will.

D: I will drop you a postcard and tell you how wonderful Cost Brava is. Did that friend of yours call?

K: Yes, but it was difficult to harmonize schedules. I would like to see her when she comes back to this country.

D: She's a nice girl.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Nancy Dickerson
8/19/70; 7:03 p.m.

K: What a fickle girl you are. I was all set to do your program last week. I cleared it with everybody and no one called me.

D: I talked to your good friend and my good friend Herb Klein and he thought he should check a few things. I told him to talk to you and I said I would not talk to you and mess up the channels.

K: I thought you were going to call me last Friday.

D: I was. I then talked to Herb and told him I talked to you and you were considering it. He said he would talk to you first.

K: I am not sure I want to do it in September. I am doing something for Mike Wallace.

D: Don't tell me you are doing something for Mike Wallace! I played it right and I get hurt. You can go on the Today Show not tomorrow, but the day after tomorrow.

K: I had agreed to it for last week.

D: Herb Klein is the Director of Communications.

K: Let me tell you for the future, nobody is my director of communications. No one determines what I go on except me and I check with Haldeman.

D: How about next Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday?

K: I will be on the West Coast.

D: When do you come back?

K: We will be back on September 9. I am very fond of you. I would have done it for you.

D: Herb Klein told me you had pretty much agreed to us and...

K: Next week is physically impossible because I will be on the West Coast.

D: It brings to mind Leo Durocher who said "good guys come in last" (sic). I did what Herb Klein said -- I am going to call him.

K: I will do it after Mike Wallace.

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Telecon
Mr. Kissinger/Nancy Dickerson

8/19/70; 7:03 p.m.

D: I don't want you to do it after Mike Wallace -- that takes the kiss off it.

K: I wanted to do it with someone I have rapport.

D: Yes! I didn't understand this thing with Herb Klein.

K: Maybe he wanted Julie and David to have a free run that week.

D: That has nothing to do with it.

K: I was going to call you -- I thought maybe you didn't love me anymore.

D: Can't we do it on the 19th?

scoop

K: I can't do it to escape him now.

D: Morally, I did the right thing. The President called me. (I missed a sentence here) I told him the thing I was interested in is this thing with you.

K: We talked on Tuesday and you said you would call me on Friday.

D: All the time I was waiting for you.

K: I don't want to mislead you. Since then I have had a note from Herb. He is suggesting September 11. I just don't feel I can do it -- I can't do it four days before Mike Wallace. Ziegler has gotten himself involved with Kaplow. I am now in a total mess. Last week I was the first one (?).

D: It seems the only clear-cut, honest thing to do is...

K: Get out of TV (laughter)

D: I asked you first -- you accepted me first. Everyone else got mixed up and I am only doing the thing that was right. I think this is a mean, nasty thing. They (Today) wanted you before they wanted anyone else. And on the terms you wanted.

K: I am sorry. I was going to call you last week to find out.

D: Why didn't you?

K: I was not that eager to do it and I didn't want it to look like I was eager.

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D: Can't you tell Mike Wallace look I love you but I am messed up with Nancy -- I know he won't believe that. I did what President Nixon's PR man said. I told old Herb Klein I am supposed to call Henry. He said don't do that I am supposed to call Haldeman first.

K: He has tentatively set September 11 and I can't do it. It is so messy now that I won't do anything.

D: You talk about moral obligations -- I don't think you should go on Mike Wallace's show if you can't go on ours.

K: They have already shot footage.

D: What do I do?

K: Nancy, you are rallying against the wrong person.

D: Whom do I call -- Herb Klein or do I call President Nixon.

K: You can call him, but no one makes me do anything in the PR field.

D: Why didn't you call me?

K: I thought you were in a roadblock -- I once decided to do it for Sandy Vanocur -- I thought I would embarrass you if I called.

D: I can give you all the time you want.

K: I wanted no more than 25 minutes.

D: You don't know what I had to do to get that -- they never even did it for David and Julie. You don't know how many phone calls I made -- how many individuals. . . Don't you do it. You know how it is with a virgin.

K: No, I never had that experience -- that got to you?

D: No it didn't because I don't believe that.

K: Let me think about what can be done. It is totally out of the question to do it four days before Mike Wallace. Nancy, I would have preferred to do it last week.

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(4)

D: I told Herb Shroeder (?) let's not push you -- you with Vietnam and the Middle East -- I said I refused to call you personally again. You don't know how many people from my network said if I talked to you first, why don't I call you now.

K: It is an outrage -- I know how you feel.

D: Of all the women you know, I am the least pushy.

K: But the trouble is you are not my woman. Let me see what I can do at this stage. My feeling is that it is one of these very unfortunate situations.

D: You were naughty to tell Mike Wallace. I am not the same as Gloria Steinem, etc.

K: Gloria Steinem has never asked me for anything. She has always been a good friend. I have to defend her. She has never written about me or anything.

D: I don't mean to attack her -- you remember that conversation that night. I have nothing against Gloria Steinem. I was just using it as an example.

K: Look, Nancy, it is a very unfortunate situation. If you remember, I called you from California -- you didn't even approach me.

D: Listen, Henry, you can have any time with the exception of tomorrow because I can't get the wheels . . .

K: I can't because I will be leaving for the West Coast.

D: Why don't you postpone Mike Wallace?

K: I just can't do that -- I gave them my word in good faith.

D: Look, you aren't a mousy fellow -- why didn't you just pick up the phone and ask what we were doing?

K: I didn't want to embarrass you. I don't want to go on 20 TV shows.

D: Of course not. We are in love and you should go on mine.

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-5-

D: I don't want to be aggressive -- I should have been. You will look much better on my show -- and I will look better, too.

K: Don't use your feminine wiles on me -- I had wanted to go with you. We just missed each other.

D: That's not a good analysis.

K: You should have called me on Friday.

D: What do I tell my people?

K: What I may do is scrap (?) every TV show that I am involved in. It is turning into a real problem for me.

D: Today would have been a good show to go on.

K: I thought one shot to take away the mystery. It would have been good.

D: Yes, it would have been good. I have all the questions written -- are you an ogre?, etc.

K: As a practical matter it can't be done before the 11th because I won't be back until the 9th. No one schedules me -- not even the President. Let me see what I can do but as a practical matter it can't be done before the 11th.

D: That's what Klein told me.

K: No, it was perfectly possible last week.

D: I was on the phone back and forth with New York. Look, do Mike on a different way and do me on a different way.

K: But now Herb Kaplow is in. . . I am just frankly fed up with all of this. I won't do anything more until I talk to you.

D: Look, I will make you beautiful, which you are, and I hope you will make me look beautiful.

K: Which you are. What I may have to do is scrap (?) everybody -- except

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8/19/70; 7:03 p.m.

-6-

they (Mike Wallace) have footage on me that they can do something with --
the only thing they don't have is an interview with me.

D: I made a mistake -- but if I may say so, so did you.

K: Nancy, I have to run. I have to make a dinner at the White House tonight.
I will call you in the next few days.

D: Can I call you tomorrow.

K: No, I will be in Mexico tomorrow.

D: Let me tell you about some good [機] restaurants . . .

K: Nancy . . .

D: Don't make any decision until I talk to you.

K: I have made a decision -- the Mike Wallace thing. I don't know how to
turn it off.

D: Don't do it to me! I'll call you.

feg

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Professor Doty
8/20/70 8:20 p.m.

D: How are you?

K: Off to Mexico.

D: I'm off to Albuquerque. How was the visit with the boys?

K: I liked it. It was like old times.

D: I am sorry I wasn't there.

K: You wouldn't have learned much. Henry Brandon is going to East Germany and is interested in some of the Pugwash types--Reinike (sp?) and Hess, the idealogue. They always told me if I come they would open doors to me. I don't want to write on White House stationery, but I don't mind your saying he's a good friend of mine. He is going to be there September 28 to October 6. I don't know if any of them are coming here; I don't know if they could get into the country.

D: How long before this letter has to be written, I have a week?

K: Yes.

D: And the President or Vice President of the Academy of Sciences-- that was Reinicker.

K: Yes, he always pretended to be well disposed to me. He's going in anyway, but they might introduce him around.

D: Okay. How is the new science advisor?

K: I don't know him. I met him once and had a good impression but Baker (?) is enthusiastic about him.

D: And you have Elliot's spot filled?

K: Yes.

D: That looks good.

K: Yes, he's a good fellow. We are in one of our periodic periods of calm. Just get the little bastards back in school to stir things up.

D: I could come down to touch base with you about Tuesday, September 15. I'll drop Dave a note.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12950, Sect. 3.6

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Professor Doty

8/20/70 8:20 p.m. page 2

K: Of call us in San Clemente.

D: Okay, I'll call in a few days.

K: Good, let's get a date in the middle of September. And if, in your judgment, I should see the Soviet group, just invite them in my behalf. You don't have to check that with me. I will just adjust my schedule. And maybe I could get the President to drop in, but I don't know about that. Should I ask Henry to get in touch with you?

D: I'll call him--I have his number. Your New Orleans backgrounding, was that within the limits of the Soviets? I was surprised that so much was said.

K: They haven't complained. I told them ahead of time that would be done.

D: we will take SALT off the agenda at Pugwash.

K: Okay, Henry Brandon will leave at the end of next week.

D: Okay.

K: Good.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCON
Zeigler/Kissinger
1:17 pm 8/22/70

Z: I was asked if the VP is going to Cambodia.

K: The answer is no.

Z: I said there was no thought of that this morning. I said for deep background that as of this morning there was no plan. I know there's a contingency plan.

K: There's a very good chance he will go.

Z: Even after the discussion last night? I am safe either way. I said as of this morning. If he goes, the plan has changed. You have changed since last night.

K: That's right. It least to keep it open.

Z: ? ? ? ? ?

K: You should do that even if he goes in.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCONE
Shultz/Kissinger
2:12 pm 8/22/70

K: Where am I getting you?

S: In Massachusetts. Perhaps I can put my point simply enough. The memo
is addressed to you. I am sure you are familiar with the points. What's
considered and what time.

K: Let me see what I can do about getting any communication held up, to
look at it again. I will do it Monday morning.

S: ?? (garbled) back to Washington right away.

K: Let me see where it is. It may be beyond recall. I thought I was working
on a unanimous recommendation of the Under Secretary's Committee.

S: You were but as a result of the deliberation of that
committee. There should not be a

K: I will be sure you are a member of any committee with budgetary
responsibility. You can consider it done.

S: You should get this memo in an hour. You can see if there's anything new.

K: Good.

By NARA, Date 5/26

HAK/Rose Mary Woods

8/24 - 9 A.M.

RMW: Henry - is your office working on the list for your Mexican dinner?

HAK: Did you say my dinner - please try to have someone below 65 sitting next to me. I will check this out, but I believe Dwight Chapin should be working on this - and we will work with him.

RMW: I will try to get someone under 65. Are you the one who will be negotiating with Dwight? How many people and will they be staying over night?

HAK: Dwight Chapin should be doing this.

RMW: Approximately how many people - no more than 20 total or 20 couples?

HAK: About 15 couples - total of 30 people.

RMW: Will they stay overnight. If they come, should we put them in different hotels? Would they be upset? The security would be better.

HAK: They would prefer it. They don't have to worry this way about who had the better suite. And assume they will be staying overnight. Tell Bob to keep this in mind for his L. A. dinner also. I would like someone under 65 sitting next to me.

RMW: I think you will be stuck with me unless I can find someone else for you. But I promise I will let you chase all the blondes you want.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCOM
Stans/Kissinger

9:12 am

8/24/70

S: I can get you easier in Calif. than in Washington.

K: I almost didn't take the call because I hate to destroy my image.

S: We have the Gleason case before the President out there.

K: He wants to wait until the end of the week.

S: I talked to Packard.

K: The President has a foreign policy problem and it's not anything now to do with security. If we could get two weeks, that would be ideal.

S: He has his last extension. He will have to go to Russians to get another.

K: Wait a week. You don't need it until the 31st. It's clearing up.

S: If the President has any personal problem he can say informally go ahead and do it.

K: We are trying to get foreign policy benefit from it. Bug me again on Thurs.

S: I will call you again on Thursday.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCON
Amb. Yest/Kissinger
afternoon 8/24/70

Y: . . . . I want your assistance on something.

K: The President doesn't want to participate in that

Y: I realize that. I wonder if you could give me more background. I want to reply to U Thant to turn it off but as inoffensive as possible. Any background? I want to be sure we have our rationale (?) straight.

K: He doesn't want a 4 power meeting under U Thant's auspices and doesn't particularly want a 4 power meeting at all.

Y: He hasn't decided how long he will be here?

K: 4 days.

Y: ? ? ? ? ?

K: Which day?

Y: 22nd of Oct.

K: That's a day he was going to be there. Don't you think that Pompidou won't come either?

Y: I don't know about that. Is that your information?

K: We have no information.

Y: I don't know either. I will put it frankly if that's the situation. I presume if the others come he will meet them individually.

K: Certainly. He may give a reception for all heads of state.

Y: I will just put it frankly to the Secy. General if you see no objections.

K: You are going to get a message -- he talked to the Secy. in the same sense You will probably get a State message to that effect.

Y: I knew the reaction was negative but I wanted to have the reasons and put it frankly to U Thant.

K: Yeah. That's essentially what I know.

Y: I will plan to do that tomorrow unless I have something in the meantime.

K: I have to go back to the briefing. Nice to talk to you.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Dean Acheson
8/25/70 10:35 PDT

K: We were talking this morning to our new ambassador to South Africa, his name is Hurd, and the President thought before he went off he should have the benefit of your thinking on South Africa. I need not tell you what he will have been told in some of your former stamping grounds. I wonder if he could see you Saturday.

A: Any time. I'm here in the country.

K: How far is it from Dulles Airport?

A: Dulles Airport is in Virginia and I am in Maryland. From Dulles there's no difficulty at all. You take the Dulles Throughway to the Beltway and off the Beltway at Connecticut Avenue . . .

K: I'll recommend that he go from Dulles to your country place. Where is that?

A: Sandy Springs Maryland. And we'd be glad to have him for a meal.

K: We'll work it out with him and call you.

A: Okay, and my office has little postcard maps how to get here.

K: We'll get all the details. How do you feel?

A: Fine--I saw my doctor and he said everything's fine.

K: How's the eyesight?

A: Well, no better without glasses. I sent a transcript of my testimony before a Congressional committee to ____________. I thought it might be helpful. I got a letter from him yesterday.

K: That part, the President has ordered done, between you and me over the anguished complaints of the bureaucracy. We're not announcing it; we're going to just do it.

A: What is this you're going to do?

K: The Union Carbide chrome (?) is going to be released.

A: Oh good. That's very sensible.

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Telecon
Dean Acheson

8/25/70 10:35 a.m. page 2

K: The other has a much more dubious case. But the Union
Carbide we will do. We decided it six weeks ago.

A: Very good.

K: You can talk freely with Mr. Hurd; he is the President's man.
You can have a confidence in him. He is not a product of the Department.

A: Good.

K: And the President would like in September to get this group of
three together again.

A: Good, we'll do that.

K: And I look forward to seeing you when we get back, in about two
weeks. We'll be in touch about when Mr. Hurd will be up. Any time in
the day of Saturday will be all right?

A: Any time will be fine.

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Telecon
Secretary Rogers
8/25/70 2:25 p.m. (PDT)

R: Did you get my suggested message to Agnew about what to say to Park?

K: Yes.

R: Was it okay?

K: My staff had a minor modification which they suggested to Alex Johnson.

R: Okay, the way he had to phrased would cause a lot of trouble.

K: I thought the formulation except for this one clause was very good. The other we couldn't accept.

R: I hope he quiets down. This thing on Lon Nol . . .

K: I sent him, at the President's request, by backchannel a message not to do that any more.

R: That whole business about if Lon Nol fails . . .

K: That was awful. That way we lose twice.

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TELCOM

Harold Brown/Kissinger

1:25 pm 8/26/70

B: I had three things to ask you. I got a call from Fred Ikle at Rand who said you asked them to do a study of SALT ax and asked me to come over. I would be glad to listen but --

K: I told him I was happy to get his ideas but I don't know what he is talking about. I have no reason to suggest you do it unless you want to.

B: I can't say everything. They have not got access to what's going on and I cannot talk about everything.

K: No.

B: I have an idea on ? ? ?

K: The provocative one.

B: I could come and see you.

K: Call each other next week.

B: Have your girl call next week and I can come on a day's notice. There will be a course in history this fall ax who ch would include people who deal with politics on the inside to talk to the class and perhaps a larger audience if you want on the record, and if you, Ehrlichman, or Harlow might want to, we would be delighted.

K: What day of the week?

B: No difference. Any day this term.

K: In principle I would be glad anytime.

B: I will send you a letter.

K: I am not interested in an on the record talk.

B: The preference here is off the record.

K: That's what I prefer and Ehrlichman would probably also feel that way. Do you want us both?

B: Either together or separately.

K: I will talk to him. Some Friday or Monday. The only thing is that I would have to look to you that it doesn't turn into a riot and no publicity.

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Telecon

Skip Schaum
8/27/70 9:23 a.m.

K: Thank you for calling.

S: We were hoping you would be able to take some time off and take a look at the Bugaloos production.

K: I'd love to do it, but can't do it tomorrow. Could we make it some time next week?

S: Fine that would work out well. You'll still be here?

K: Yes.

S: How would Thursday be?

K: Probably impossible, I have this State dinner in San Diego.

S: Would Wednesday be better?

K: Wednesday would probably be okey. I'd like to call you tomorrow with a more definite answer.

S: We'll work our schedule around yours.

K: It's very thoughtful of you to suggest this. What would we see?

S: We know you're so busy. We thought we should balance it a little and you should have a little fun. The Bugaloos at Paramount; it's replacing a children's show called Puff 'n Stuff, which means nothing to us but a lot to the children. We'll probably also see Lucille Ball and Mission Impossible, Mannix, the whole studio. Then lunch at the Brown Derby and then Virginia Graham's show across the street.

K: Wonderful. Let me call you tomorrow with a date. And give my best to Arlene.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Carroll Kilpatrick

8/27/70 ca. 10:30 a.m.

CK: We thought your exposition in the first part of the backgrounder the other day was so good that they wondered if you'd go over it with me again and let it appear as a signed article by you in our Sunday section. It would be attributed to you.

HK: Let me check it with Ziegler. They couldn't use the whole thing, could they?

CK: No, it would be too long.

HK: But the whole speech.

CK: Yes. We would give you a chance to go over it and approve it before it was printed.

HK: Let me check with Ziegler.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Frank Shakespeare

8/28/70 8:45 a.m.

K: I am seeing the President in a few minutes and he is seeing Hickel in a few minutes. We've been turning Hickel off of foreign travel for a year now, especially to Communist countries. But now if he thinks he's been invited. . .

S: He doesn't think he's been invited. It's just that after the Goldwater water thing fell apart in the search for someone else fast -- this is going to be the 9th and 10th of September -- I found that Hickel was going to be in Finland or somplace for something I don't know about. . . you probably do.

K: No, I don't. That's another end run of his.

S: Anyway, I said when are you coming back. He said the 7th or the 8th. I told him that I was just looking around for possibilities and asked if his travel situation was such that it would be convenient for him to stay over for a few days. He said he didn't have his calendar in front of him at the moment but he thought he would. I said I would let him know if anything came of it. It would be no embarrassment at all to turn this off.

K: Who else would you suggest?

S: There are really only two other alternatives: Bob Murphy is going to be in Bucharest at about that time, or we might just let Ambassador Linhart go. I wanted to say something symbolic to the Yugoslavs in this but it's getting late. If Hickel tries to springboard you with the President this morning you can easily brush that off. There was nothing substantive in our conversation. I just didn't even want to go through the motions with you if his schedule wasn't clear for it. State's quite concerned in the aftermath.[?] Or you have got Volpe or Romney or Train at the cabinet level or you might want one of the campaign contributors.

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TELCON
Shultz/Kissinger
12:25 pm 8/28/70

S: I stopped by to tell you I talked with Rogers about economic policy ________.
He bought the idea. We talked in general terms. We talked about Presidentially
chaired, low profile committee with State and Commerce.

K: Who does he think will chair the subcommittee.

S: Question of how how it is determined.

K: Which agency?

S: The Under Secretaries' group would be chaired out of the WH.

K: That's essential.

S: And he concluded by saying he would write up this stuff and work it out so
I can write up things he can agree to. (?) He has an odd idea of doing strong
conceptual work. He thinks it's fruitless and says we have to work day by
day. You had a couple of key points. Control of cables and ability to initiate
projects.

K: And chairmanship has to be in your hands. Or in the WH and understood--
of the sub-group. State won't allow object to the President's chairing a Cabinet
meeting but they will be upset about the Under Secretaries' Committee.

S: I told you the President brought it up yesterday again. You better discuss
it soon.

K: I will and keep you informed.

S: We are tracking down how $1.2 billion got around. Who said what to whom.
We are doing it without implying anyone knew it did anything right or wrong.
We will try to line that out. One of our problems is that the way the Defense
budget goes is that it's slippery (?) and that you inevitably leave civil servants
in the dark. We have to get this figured out.

K: Absolutely.

S: We will look at it and see how to rearrange it.

K: On this first idea the thing you must avoid is a committee based in State which
does the staff work.

S: I got that point.

K: And I will get information on that other.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Countess Dunhoff
8/28/70 2:05 p.m.

K: I would love to see you here, but I am not sure of my schedule
next week. May I let you know after you've arrived in Aspen?

D: Yes.

K: By Tuesday?

D: By Tuesday will be all right. I am staying at the Institute for
Humanistic Studies. I don't know the number there.

K: The White House services are lacking in a lot of ways, but the
telephone operators can find almost anything. I will call no later than Tuesday.

D: I think I can come on Thursday.

K: I couldn't probably do it except on Friday. But I hope to be able
to see you. At any rate we will talk again. It's good to know you are here.

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Telecon

Asst. Sec. Harold Scott (Commerce)

8/28/70 2:15 p.m.

K: The problem is this--is there no way of extending it? The President is moving in a favorable direction, but if you press him to decide tomorrow, the answer will probably be no. If they could get a month extension there would be no possibility that we would ask for another extension after that.

S: Can I say there is a shift in feeling?

K: Yes. But can't they put it on the grounds that all the senior officials are on vacation?

S: Would you mind if I asked Ambassador Beam to go along to give it a foreign policy overtone?

K: Just say it is a technical issue of assembling people while the President is on the West coast. It's better not to have Beam go--there is an implication of blackmail if he goes.

S: Okay.

K: See what they can do. I will be available this weekend.

S: Good. But I can imply that there is a shift in the winds?

K: Yes, definitely.

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Kissinger/President Johnson

August 29, 1970 9:35 a.m.

jlj

[paraphrased]

K: Mr. President

P: Henry

K: Hello Mr. President. The President was wondering if you might be interested in receiving a briefing by the Vice President when he returns from his Asian trip.

P: Henry, just a minute, I am having trouble hearing you.

disconnect - conversation continued 9:40 a.m.

P: You will have to speak up Henry, I have a bad connection.

K: All right Mr. President. The President was wondering . . . [ditto above] . If you would like to get his impressions on his trip through Asia. The Vice President will be coming in here on Wednesday morning - the 2nd. We were wondering if he could brief you on Wednesday afternoon if you wanted. We have not heard from the Vice President yet. We were thinking of Wednesday afternoon unless he was locked in on his schedule. Would you be agreeable to this.

P: Of course. I am very interested in hearing his views on that part of the world. His impressions. Wednesday would be fine. I would be agreeable to anything; if the Vice President doesn't have the time now I understand and I would be perfectly satisfied with anything you say. I am a great admirer of his and would be happy to do it. However, if he has other more urgent things to do I would understand.

after his return

K: Well, he would see you in the next few days/if not Wednesday.

P: Henry, just suit yourself and let me know when it is. I am particularly interested in what he has to say. I want to tell you that I am grateful to you for what you are doing for your country. I appreciate your staying in there and helping [through these difficult times.] Anytime you want to come down and see me you know you are welcome. If you have an afternoon.

K: I am going to try to get down to see you sometime in September.

P: Anytime you want. Come down for an afternoon or evening or spend the night. Bring any friends you want to. September is delightful down here. Just call us. We can make the arrangements very fast and easy.

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HAK/Johnson continued

2.

P: Please give the President my best. I feel for him every day. I was grateful for the invitation to the Diaz Ordaz dinner. I would have accepted it but . . . I called him yesterday . . . Mrs. Johnson is in Jackson Hole with [Larry ?] Rockefeller at a meeting. It is just too difficult to get her back and go to the dinner and then return to the meeting.

K: Can we send a plane for her?

P: I wouldn't want to ask that.

K: But I am offering it. When we met Diaz Ordaz he said that you were the best friend in the Presidency he has had in the United States. That's not a thoughtful thing to say when you are meeting with a President and you are not talking about him.

P: Well, we certainly like him. It would be wonderful to see him. Let me think about it. I don't want to ask.

K: You are not asking, I am offering. I would have to check it out with the Military Aides office. But I think it could be done.

P: Jackson Hole is in Wyoming. K: Yes I know P: San Diego to Jackson Hole

K: Yes

P: You can have your staff talk with Tom Johnson in my office. I don't want to ask this though.

K: I will make it absolutely clear that I asked for it.

P: Thank you Henry

K: Goodby Mr. President

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TELCORN

President/Kissinger

11:45 am

8/29/70

P: Anything new?

K: Yes. We just got a read out from a satellite and they discovered 6 new SA-3 sites. Soviet manned. They will pin down the number when they analize it more carefully. Some SA-2 sites, but we don't have the number. In a cable from Fisher he says Dayan is thinking of resigning over the issues. Israel doesn't know about the SA-3s yet.

P: Leave it to Sisco.

K: I just wanted you to know.

P: It's important that this be handled in a way -- I wouldn't give any substance to Fisher.

K: That's unimportant. But *if* the choice here is whether this should be swallowed.

P: What does Sisco suggest?

K: He thinks we should send a tough letter to Groymko.

P: From Rogers.

K: Yes or escalate it but I don't think you want to do it.

P: No, no, no. No use to go higher unless we want something out of it.

K: Of course the Israelis may go wild. We can swallow it. But Sisco is for a minimum a letter to Groymko. Maybe also new equipment to Israel.

P: They are now analyzing it?

K: They will have final figures on Monday. It's clear that there's no less than 4. You wanted a meeting a meeting, Haldeman says, on Tuesday with Halms, Laird and Rogers.

P: That would be useful.

K: We don't have to have it. Before this news we thought we could review the M. E. but now there might even be an occasion to do it.

P: We can have a general meeting.

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President/Kissinger

11:45 am

8/29/70

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K: But you do want it.

P: Yes, instead of the Legion thing. There are plenty of subjects.

K: We are setting it up. Otherwise there's nothing of great consequence. Even with helicopter losses, casualties will be low this week. The accumulated totals on Thursday were 29 but the helicopters weren't included.

P: And that's 36 more.

K: It's about 75.

P: Or 90. 36 yesterday plus some wounded and 2 days left.

K: One day. It ends Sat. night. This morning their time.

P: I see. So that's probably it. That's great -- did you find out about that crash? I want to be sure our people aren't getting careless. We hear a lot about helicopters -- if we don't use helicopters to go from place to place more would be killed. It's just that these crashes are spectacular. What is your feeling? Is the helicopter intended to be used this way?

K: It's amazing that they ______ something but it would be hard to pin it down. When Moorer is here I will have a private talk with him.

P: The use of helicopters. We have lost a thousand of them.

K: Brezhnev gave a speech yesterday about that was conciliatory.

P: You said Walters --

K: Is meeting with them this morning and should have an answer in the hour. On the time.

P: Our reply. The other things is your response from Roshnov -- or whatever his name is. (Probably referring to Vorontsov - dcm).

K: That ______ will come next week.

P: That's as late as it can. They will do it or we will go on another course.

By NARA, Date 5/20

TELCOM

Bob Semple/Kissinger

1:00 pm 8/29/70

K: How is the fiction coming?

S: I'm not writing any.

K: That's Kleiman. I knew I saw some in that paper.

S: This is not a question of overpowering magnitude.

K: Do you have your children with you?

S: Yes, 4 of them. The foreign desk called and asked me to put together a story for Monday. Why the V.P. went to Asia. Was it a good-will mission?

K: To reassure our allies. Haven't you seen he has done that?

S: In Thailand today he said ? ? ? ? The question is whether he went with latitude and initiative. In Seoul with that head to head discussion people wondered if he had instructions.

K: Off the record, he went to explain but not to make policy. Explanation of existing policy. When he comes back he will explain it to me.

S: The question is open also was it necessary to send him or useful?

K: Useful.

S: For him?

K: For the country.

S: He carries a good deal of weight.

K: We are not a delicate moment on what the Nixon Doctrine means. After this week, there's no doubt. You report it straight.

S: I wish I could convey the nuances.

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Mr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers

SECRET

August 29, 1970 11:30 p.m.

[paraphrased jlj]

K: The President wants something to keep him here on Tuesday because the American Legion meeting. We are going to have a meeting on Tuesday morning. Laird and Helms can come in. Admiral Moorer is here anyway. I think it would be good for Sisco to stay out here and attend this meeting. What do you think?

R: Has he left yet?

K: No, he is still out here.

R: I will talk to him and let you know.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telcon

8/30/70; 1:00 p. m.

Lloyd Shearer, PARADE

Shearer: (Told HAK he was calling on behalf of Dong Van Wa (?) from Saigon, the Deputy Secretary General of the Lower House.) He is upset because no one in the Administration will listen to him. He would like to talk to somebody in the Administration about opposition planning in South Vietnam.

K: Where is he?

S: At the Surf Rider Hotel in Los Angeles.

K: Is he going to Washington?

S: Yes.

K: I will have him talk to my chief Vietnam expert on my staff.

S: Any chance of talking to anybody in San Clemente? Who is your guy in Washington now?

K: Dick Smyser.

S: I know.

K: In San Clemente he could talk to General Haig. I will be tied up most of this week.

S: Is Haig in San Clemente?

K: He will be tomorrow.

S: Could he talk to this guy tomorrow?

K: I will check with him and let him call you.

S: I think it may be a good idea to talk to this guy rather than let him go around saying nobody in this Administration ~~and~~ will talk to him because he represents the political opposition in South Vietnam. I think the President should talk to him. It would show the President would be open to both sides.

K: Let me find out about the guy. Somebody will talk to him and we will get his views to the highest level. You can be absolutely sure of that.

ms

By NARA, Dated 5/26

TELCONE
Taft Shriver/Kissinger

11:45 am

8/31/70

S: It's strange that I see you and you offer to be of help to me and then I get a call on Monday from Paris. It isn't with you, but State. It's a simple problem. Our company had gotten permission from the Louvre to film the Matisse collection. A series of programs for colleges called "Museum without Walls." The Matisse this is very important. Our people have found that some of the Soviet Matisse pictures have been filmed but they didn't get this cleared. It's been permitted for local films and now we want to do it. The show closes Sept. _______. We are told to talk to the Cultural people at State. We have permission to film the rest of Matisse but there are 19 Soviet ones. French TV have filmed them but we need permission.

K: I will make inquiries today and deal with the Soviet Cultural Attache in Washington. I will tell him you are a personal friend of the President's. It's not an American political interest but we know you and respect you and anything that can cut the red-tape --

S: If they would just advise Jean Chatelain at the Louvre, Minister of Culture, or Douglas Cooper. He's a friend of Picasso who is supervising the filming for us.

K: I will do something today. I will get it to the highest level possible. Now you will discover I have no clout with the Soviets. If it's do-able, it will come to the attention of the right person. Have a good trip to Japan.

S: We leave Wed. and I hope you have information by then.

K: They will probably not be that fast. Let me know whom of your people I can call.

S: My secretary here. No, better than that -- Peter MacDonald who runs the education film --------. He will arrive on the 3rd from his holiday. 213/985-4321.

K: I will tell you their reaction.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCON
Vice President/Kissinger
12:45 pm 8/31/70

VP: I am trying to get myself adjusted. We are finally getting our clocks straightened out. We were supposed to stay in Hawaii and come back for Wed. Butterfield now called to say we should be back for an NSC meeting tomorrow morning.

K: I don't want to talk on a radio phone. The President needs to have a high level meeting tomorrow for a reason to be here. He wants you to give your report on Asian trip to the NSC. The second part is a review of the M. E. situation.

VP: All right. It never works out -- We had today set for (garbled).

K: You have earned a day of rest. I just talked with the President and I know he is counting on this.

VP: We will be there.

K: Look forward to seeing you.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telcon

8/31/70; 1:55 p.m.

Bob Semple

S: Did we get the Agnew story straight this morning?

K: I haven't read the paper yet.

S: I told it the way you asked me to. But I cut out the background laughter. I am calling about a shot in the dark. My people in New York are very interested to know what the people in the US are doing to keep its trusts from coming unraveled. I told them various people in the foreign policy field are meeting tomorrow. I told them I would call you for guidance beyond just keeping in touch with both sides. (Arab/Israeli dispute).

K: We are discussing the subject tomorrow and any decisions will be done afterwards.

S: It would be premature to write about anything today probably.

K: I would think so.

S: Is it possible to characterize the Administration's view? I am wondering how we would characterize the situation.

K: Serene.

S: I am choking on my cigarette. Maybe outside your window, but I mean inside your mind.

K: I think I had better not talk about it until after we have our meeting tomorrow.

S: This is the answer Tad Shulton is running into at the State Dept. We think this is the day high-level authorities won't be doing any talking.

K: That is right - until they get into an undercutting mood.

S: All right. I will tell my paper. Do you think it will be better tomorrow?

K: I won't know until after the meeting.

S: All right.

ms

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN
Amb. Rabin/Kissinger
morning 8/31/70

R: I am back. Saturday.

K: How are you?

R: Fine. Everything in life is relative but I have become much more encouraged from the ______ of view. With a little more help I will be much more optimistic.

K: In spite of what has happened?

R: In spite. The question of maintaining the Suez Canal and other options still open to us which looked here worse than it should have.

K: Are you going to say this to our other people?

R: Yes. It depends on the amount of equipment we get. I believe it's
?? we get the better, there will be. The political situation depends on the
military situation. Regardless of the unpleasant things that have occured
we can manage.

K: That's good to hear.

R: The subject I wanted to discuss is the visit. According to her, when she
will be here on the 20th of Sept. to launch the bonds drive in NY. I think it
would be better if she sees him on Friday, the 18th for any public appearance.

K: Let me see if I can arrange that.

R: She will come on the 17th and she will meet him on the 18th, here. Because
otherwise it would force her to make a public appearance before the meeting
which is not advisable.

K: She will not put him on a spot on public appearance afterwards?

R: Did you see her on "Face the Nation?"

K: No.

R: The purpose of her appearance was not to put him on the spot.

K: Right.

R: I think it's understood by her.

K: I will do my best and let you know in a day or two. I don't see any insupport-

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K: (cont) able problem here.

R: On Sun. night she will probably be on her way back.

K: I will see. I think I can do it this time.

R: When will you be back?

K: Next Sunday -- Monday. I will see you when I get back.