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Secretary Kissinger/Mr. Atherton

February 5, 1974, 7:45 p.m.

K: I think what you should add in the letter by the President is that when all the tactical matters are said and done what the continuation of the embargo amounts to is an expression of lack of confidence in the personal assurance of the President of the United States on innumerable occasions.

A: Good point.

K: And that is the most unacceptable part to us.

A: There's a good place for me to insert that. That's a good point.

K: Good.

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Secretary Kissinger/Kirk Douglas

11:20 a.m. 2/6/74

K: How are you?

D: You are nice to return the call--I thought you'd be up to your neck with--

K: I was I had the flu too, so I couldn't get back to you.

D: Oh my gosh, when are you going to get yourself a little vacation?

K: I need one soon.

D: Gee, I would think you do Henry. I am coming to Washington-I'm
do a sort of--I'm doing some film with Simon --trying to explain the
energy crisis to people--I'll be there for a couple of days--if you have
any time I will come over and see you for a moment.

K: How long will you be in town?

D: Probably just Thursday and Friday and leave Saturday morning.

K: What are you doing Friday night?

D: I am available Friday night--are you free?

K: I may be free.

D: Why don't I call you--I will keep Friday night open and when I get there
I'll call your office.

until

K: I won't know for sure Friday morning. I'm going to Panama tomorrow.

D: It is really flexible--I'll call you office, Henry. I will be working
with Simon Friday morning and see if you and I can get together--I'd
love to see you if we can work it out.

K: Well we will definitely meet.

D: If not, I might just come over for a while--see what your schedule is.

K: Good. Where will you stay, Kirk?

D: I think I will stay at Jack Valenti's house--or at a hotel, but I'll let you know.

K: We will be in touch Friday morning--is Ann going to be here too?

D: No I'll be alone.

K: See you soon.

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Secretary Kissinger/General Haig

February 6, 1974, 5:31 p. m.

K: I know the Egyptian Foreign Minister in the presence of our Ambassador called in the Saudis and gave them hell, and they're now pulling back.

H: Good.

K: Can you keep your leader from jumping too much, because I think they're in the process of pulling back. They said it was all a terrible misunderstanding -- they just couldn't guarantee anything yet. The

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H: Good. When are you leaving?

K: Tomorrow morning. Are you going to that dinner at the Bradens tonight?

H: They wouldn't have me for dinner.

K: Well, if you see that nasty column, you know where it came from. O.K. Will you tell that to the President?

H: Yes, I will.

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Secretary Kissinger/Ambassador Dinitz

February 6, 1974, 6:50 p. m.

K: Does Eban know about that scheme you have with Syria -- you know,

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D: He knows about the scheme because the Prime Minister

K: So we can tell Keating? O.K. Fine.

D: The Israeli press has given some of the

K: I've seen it, and I'm revolted.

D: The Prime Minister had to issue a statement from her office
today denying that there is any deal. She would be under attack
before anything materializes. The proposal stands, of course.
Did you hear anything, Mr. Secretary?

K: No. We've heard some fairly friendly things from the Egyptians --
not about Syria, just on the embargo.

D: Positive things?

K: Just that they're continuing to work on the embargo. The
Egyptians are really trying to do the right thing. I just don't see
what they're getting out of their present position. They have not
made one demand of Israel.

D: I think I can see what they're up to. It's not necessarily negative. I think they're trying to ______ with the United States. In the long run I think they are trying to weaken the Russian influence there.

K: That's in all our interests. I would like to see you fairly soon
because I talked to Gromyko also about establishing relations with you.

D: I thought you were going to Panama tomorrow.

K: I am. Maybe Friday. I'll see you.

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D: Whenever you're ready. I passed to Eagleburger the Panamanian business.

K: Good.

D: Well, have a nice trip and a nice dinner tonight.

K: If you were not so obnoxious, I could hate your government more. I've been spied on before.

D: I'm not spied on. Shows we have similar friends.

K: Any Gentiles there tonight?

D: Governor Rockefeller will be there. I would never expose you to a dinner unless there were some Gentiles there.

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The President/Secretary Kissinger

February 6, 1974, 7:46 p. m.

N: Hello.

K: Mr. President.

N: Hi, Henry.

K: I thought you might like to know that the

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N: That's not enough, of course.

K: I think the major problem is that the Russians are stirring up the
Syrians and that the Iraqis and ______ are joining the group.

N: Under the circumstances what can the Saudis do? Will they

K: My impression is that they'll do something.

N: At least it's interesting, but the Egyptians doing their best doesn't
do a GD bit unless something happens. We'll see, but at least it's
better than nothing.

K: I think it's better than nothing. I think if we take a strong line here
the public will understand what's happening.

N: The public isn't interested in debate -- they're interested in cars
lined up at the gas stations. So we have to face that.

K: I'll keep you closely informed.

N: When are you leaving - tonight?

K: First thing in the morning. And back tomorrow night.

N: My God -- what a day. Well, you'll have a good plane, so maybe
you can have a rest. You delivered a letter to Scowcroft that he's
supposed to show me in the morning?

K: Yes.

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Ambassador Bruce/Secretary Kissinger

11:30 p.m. 2/6/74

B: Good morning, Mr. Secretary

K: David, how are you?

B: I'm fine.

K: It is a more comforting town knowing you are back.

B: You are very nice to say so--I'm glad to be here, actually.

K: Even though you have ignored me.

B: I send you messages of inquiries.

K: Have you?

B: I've got to see you tonight.

K: Oh really?

B: We are going to the country to that party.

K: At Joanie Braden's?

B: Hm huh.

K: Well, goddamnit, if there is going to be another star there, I won't show up.

David, I'm anxious to see you. I have had the flu as you may know.

B: Yeh, I heard that you did.

K: And there are many things I want to discuss with you. And I also would like to discuss with you, the state of the country in addition to--as you know I get a lot of praise for great foreign policy but you and I know it is 90% bluff right now.

B: Well, I'm disturbed about it,

K: I don't mean the attacks on the--I mean the lack of substance that is here now for the conduct of foreign policy.

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B: You are frightfully busy--

K: How about lunch on Saturday.

B: I will be absolutely delighted.

K: Let's plan for lunch on Saturday

B: All right

K: And also I have a design to send you to Europe for a couple of weeks-- would you be willing to do that?

B: Of course I would.

K: Travel around the capitals and see if you can talk some sense into these madmen?

K: I would make you a presidential emissary

B: Of course, I would.

K: You brought all of these guys up and let them tell you what it is they really want--I find it hard to understand what the hell

B: I don't think they know themselves.

K: Then let's find that out--

B: I think in your conversations next week on the energy crisis, you can ask them quite a few things.

K: But they will be all unpleasant

B: Yeh, I'm not very pleased with how things are going there.

K: Very displeased.

B: Then Saturday will be fine--I'll call your secretary about the time and where to meet

K: And I'll see you tonight--and your date.

B: I think we'll have some fun.

K: I'll see you and your date then--where is Nancy?

B: Nancy is arriving on Saturday--she is in Paris.

K: Well we will keep it from her.

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K: I have two pieces of information for you, neither of which I'm authorized to pass on to you but which on human grounds I do not think I can keep from you. The Syrians have transferred to me the number of prisoners. I'm supposed to hold it until they give me some further instructions, but after -- the number is 65.

D: Higher than I thought.

K: Much higher than I thought.

D: That's good news.

K: And the second is that the Egyptians have demobilized 73,000 men.

D: 73,000? That's also good news. I think we have demobilized 40,000 so far. We are in the process of doing some more.

K: The Saudis are running a major campaign here on the Syrian business, and you know how that will reach the President sooner or later.

D: I heard of some of this campaign. I have cabled the Prime Minister of our conversation, Mr. Secretary. I did not get any reaction today at all from Israel.

K: My honest opinion -- our intelligence indicates that Sadat is in some trouble with his army. My judgment is that if Sadat falls, you're losing the best chance to get peace that you've ever had. Compared to that, the mistakes after 67 would be minor, and I believe that progress in Syria is a step in that direction.

D: Did you hear anything new from the Russians on this subject?

K: I told them the importance of the prisoners. They're getting very concerned about being excluded, and I made general comments about acting in coordination with them, which means very little.

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D: The only thing I can think of, Mr. Secretary, is that I think
this last proposal with all of the difficulties we have

K: I have transferred it to the Syrians.

D: I have a feeling there was

K: Well, by then I think you better get ready to move fast.

D: Yes. I think then there would not be any problem. But now I
have just heard that Dayan might be coming anyway for the first of
March for the Israel bonds.

K: Listen. I'm going on vacation on the 2nd of March. If you're
willing to settle everything

D: Mr. Secretary, I think you are entitled to vacation -- you have
postponed it for three times.

K: I don't often give you bad advice, but I think you have to change
your basic attitude.

D: Actually, I do think we see eye to eye.

K: Not you personally.

D: No. Even the government with all its crazy problems. I had
a little difficulty moving them.

K: Can you avoid getting that number leaked?

D: Yes. I will cable it only to the Prime Minister. How many of them
are wounded -- did they tell you that?

K: Nothing.

D: Or their condition?

K: Nothing.

D: Well, I will pass it only to the Prime Minister.

K: It's a much larger number than I thought.

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D: I thought anything over 50 would be good.

K: I did not think it would be that many.

D: That is encouraging news. I will pass it to her -- it's one of the nightmares she is going through every night.

K: And -- for God's sake, I'm telling it to her as a friend.

D: I will not even tell it to Eban. Even that suggestion I gave to you -- because the moment it gets to the Foreign Office -- it's like a sieve. Have you heard about the UP story from Israel? Ambassador Keating has presented a proposal of two stages -- first, getting the list, and then getting the visits of the Red Cross.

K: I must tell you as a friend -- when the President __ with this, you will get under massive

D: I hope that when the President is made privy to it that he is at the same time getting the right explanation from you.

K: Do you think I'm eager to get a confrontation?

D: I know -- but there are other people who are. In the State of the Union he was careful to avoid your name when he said he got promises from the Arab leaders. Now he can't kid you about misleading him. In addition, I think the President did have some direct communication with Faisal. Then he owes nothing to him for the embarrassment.

K: Let's see what reply I'll get to my cable.

D: Have a nice dinner tomorrow at the Bradens.

K: Are you going?

D: No. That's one dinner that they didn't invite me to, but some of my friends will be there.

K: GD it, who?

D: Barbara Walter is going to be there.

K: Give me a few others.

D: You will know most of them.

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K: Come on -- tell me.

D: I will -- tomorrow morning.

K: Tell me now.

D: The Bradens, Barbara Walter, maybe Walter Cronkite will be there. I did try - and maybe succeeded - to stop the thing ______ from that SOB - Marilyn.

K: Marilyn?

D: I called my friends, the professors. I called Marty Lipsett, who is decent.

K: He's insane.

D: Lipsett did it. Rita Hauser, too, which surprises me. When Marilyn called me to ask if you were going to Damascus tomorrow, I asked here, "Why are you taking half-baked stories which are out of context?" I told her she doesn't have the right information.

K: Is Marty Lipsett killing it.

D: Marty is working with all his friends to try to kill it.

K: It won't do *anybody* any good.

D: A conversation like this *must* be taken out of context when it gets reported.

K: I was trying to calm down some very excited people. I appreciate it. Now if you can calm down Joe Kraft before he gets me into prison.

D: I'm going to see him this week, and I'm going to talk sense to him. He's a neurotic.

K: He's a total maniac.

D: He goes around saying the Secretary of State has so charmed the Israeli Ambassador that he doesn't have an independent policy any more.

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K: I wish it were true.

D: Well, it's right -- but how did he know about it?

K: I wish it were true. If Israel survives, you and I will have
performed a miracle. At the end of October you were in desperate
shape.

D: You weren't in such good shape either.

K: Me personally?

D: No -- the whole situation. If you have anything to tell me
subsequent to the visit of Gromyko -- if it is of interest to us -- then
maybe we should get together.

K: Good. Let's try that. Now I have to write a speech for Panama.
I have ten speech-writers, and all they've come up with is that Panama
is an isthmus.

D: Are you going there for negotiation?

K: Yes.

D: If you are interested, we know someone who wants to talk to
you personally.

K: Well, I'm going on Thursday. Call Larry tomorrow.

D: I'll call Larry, and I'll tell him.

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