Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: KHC NARA, Dato:

5/12/04

TELCORN
Sisco/Kisinger

4:10 pm

3/17/70

K: The only question I have is editorial. Page 2 of the statement. -- I will not horse around with the instructions. ? ? ? ? ? then you say is taking the

S: Put a period after peace.

K: That's fine.

S: Will I hear from you on the other?

K: You will hear from me. You always get your way on this. No, really, we're on track.

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By: KHLW NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Telcon

U/Secy Johnson (incoming)

3/17/70; 5:00 p.m.

J: The President talked with Trudeau who said he would delay and suggested sending a team up there to give him the excuse to delay.

K: That was what we recommended.

J: He suggested Packard to him. He said there was an indication we wanted to send Packard up there.

K: We don't have to.

J: I said, did he indicate any sensitivity to him as a Defense man. He said when you mention it I am not sure but what they would. The reason I am calling you is what I wasn't sure about is how the idea of Packard going up came up. No problem of course.

K: I can assure you I had no particular interest in it one way or the other.

J: Packard is not a law of the sea man.

K: We recommended that he send a high level team. I recommended there should be a review before. This group should include Dave Packard to give instructions, and he ran these two things together. The talking points said we would be prepared to send a team. Then in the subsequent paragraph we said if Trudeau goes along there should be an interagency position established and this group should include Packard.

J: I see.

K: We can get that changed, that's no problem.

J: I have been in touch with Dave on this.

K: Would you be willing to go:

J: Yes.

K: Why don't you assume that you will be the designated person?

J: All right.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12950, Sect. 3.6

By KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

K: I don't even have to consult with him because he thought he was following his guidance. We will send you. We will make sure it is an interagency group.

J: Obviously. Did his guidance say anything about Bill Rogers calling in Cadieux?

K: Yes. We put down talking points you had given.

J: The idea of a team going up.

K: We said the Secretary of State intends to discuss these issues at greater length with Ambassador Cadieux.

J: I think we should have the Secy call in Cadieux and modify what he proposed to say to him to take account of the fact that Trudeau said he would like to have a team come up. Do we even need to have the Secretary call him in?

K: Well, we were told that he would.

J: I will go ahead and have the Secy get Cadieux in then and then we will follow up with the team idea going up and everybody and his brother will want to be on that. I do want Defense. I am going to have to hold off Transportation and Treasury and a lot of others, but that's my problem. I will follow up on that.

J: Another subject. Shimoda called me and said he talked with you and wanted to come in to see me. He said he had talked with you and I said you aren't going to hear anything different from me than from Dr. Kissinger. He said, that's what Dr. Kissinger told me. He finally decided it wasn't necessary to come in, then he wanted Yoshina to come in to see Trezise and I said there wasn't any use. I want to keep Arman Meyer filled in. How much detail did you go into on the comments I sent over to you?

K: Very little. I told him as I understood it we were only offering to discuss aid items, not to restrain. The Tariff Commission route wasn't acceptable to us. I did not explain why because I don't know why. That is the only substantive thing I said.

J: OK. He said that you said that the possibility of their coming back - the textile meetings go on for a few days.

K: No, I said even if legislation is introduced it will give us 30-60 days to work something out.

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By: KHL NAFA, Dato: 5/12/04

J: He didn't mention that. He said the textile meeting in San Francisco would be going on for several days and if they could do something during the course of that meeting.

K: I didn't say that but I would be willing. I am going to have to call you back. The President is calling me.

J: OK.

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By: KHL NARA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCON
President/Kissinger

6:37 pm

3/17/70

K: There's one matter that has just come up. It's a Finnish resolution to cancel all communications -- radio, telegraph, etc. -- with Rhodesia. Britain is going to veto and Rogers feels the same way. It would be our first veto, that's why I'm checking with you. We could abstain.

P: I think so little of the UN that I think we should veto it.

K: It shows how little we got for the consular thing. But Rogers is with you. The British are against it because it would ruin their domestic economy.

P: I would veto it. Be sure they understand.