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TELCON
Farley/Kissinger

8/13/71 afternoon

F: After all the papers you sent in our direction last night you should feel you have taken care of arms control for a while.

K: I hope so.

F: I thought perhaps after your instruction Rogers has us up to talk on part that doesn't satisfy Gerry so I expected it. (?)

K: The feelings of the President on that are terribly strong. He raised hell with me for letting it get to this point. It was my fault and not Gerry's. I had not explained how [REDACTED] far it had gone.

F: Got same situation from Verification Panel meeting. Gerry has two questions. One, is matter of zero ABM. That tea that Dobrynin and John Sherman Cooper had. Dobrynin said that they never thought we were serious about zero and if we ever said something serious they would respond. I thought from that that what he proposes to do, and because probably more then in the memo, so without going into detail we will say its been discussed and give general thrust of President's letter and say how we are concentrating on what we are concentrating on.

K: And concentrate on next phase. Cooper is a responsible guy.

F: It's better to give him general line of thinking. Other one is somewhat tricky. The agreement of Russia was that there was nothing per May 20 talks on FLM (?) freeze. He has given me a [REDACTED] phrase on reference on desirability to be included in freeze. Do you object to his referring to Semonov privately to this phrase?

K: Absolutely not. It's in Kosygin letter to the President. Letters the same.

F: That's helpful. Then Semenov may handle this as something to bargain on. Gerry will speak to him on zero after Tues. meeting and latter on fall back. He has a little work to do bringing delegation with him because some people think ? ? ? ? without defenseive ? ? ? .

K: We won't get offensive until we have the level set.

F: That's what he thinks and he knows [REDACTED] when to move but he doesn't want separate telegram back and wanted to bring the delegation along with him/

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TELCOM
President/Kissinger
9:20 a.m. 8/14/71

P: Last minute check. How's it going?

K: Very quiet.

P: How about Pakistan?

K: All cables send out yesterday and program under way.

P: Bill agreed to having some --

K: Murray Williams as coordinator. Question of big enough name.

P: Let's build him up. Why doesn't he ask a distinguished group to work with him. McCloy, Perkins. Just do it. Don't check with Bill. Perkins, that sort.

K: Perkins -- when you rehabilitate a fellow he is very loyal.

P: In whole field of refugee thing we have lots of people. Herbert Hoover used to do a lot of this and Hoover Institute should have names. An outstanding committee of 5 people to go with him or be advisers on Pakistan relief.

K: Refugee relief so there's no Pakistan or India.

P: What about Vietnam?

K: Still building in DMZ. We are asking if building. Northern part of DMZ.

P: If it breaks down we can always knock them down.

K: If they attack across DMZ --

P: They struck the blow and we give them hell.

K: Particularly with what we have done. It would be their answer. Hanoi is blasting Peking.

P: Could be bad for your trip. How blasting them?

K: They can have strategy of weakening socialist camp and we are doing it.

P: Get that to the conservatives.

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K: I told it to Buckley yesterday.

P: Cool Buckley off any?

K: I think so.

P: If national defense would know where their hope is. I got Brooke to switch. Colson did it. Ed Brooke making a total turn around. Total ABM.

K: It's tremendous. I gave Buckley facts on your policy. Last year you went higher than Defense recommendation.

P: They just need an issue. I will give the economic talk tomorrow night. We have price freeze and some of that crap. It will shake them. We are going to put on an import freeze.

K: Without Congress?

P: Through GATT. The things they negotiated. Then negotiate them again.

K: Takes heat off the textile issue and gives more creditiblity on textile issue. I think we should try effort of Rogers and Fukoda.

P: Strengthen Rogers' hand.

K: That's why it's good. Mitchell knew something but he agrees that it's hot time for national security clause.

P: He knows there's something big coming. He and Rogers agreed to import tax.

K: I think tomorrow would be --

P: You will be in Paris. Good luck.

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E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

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August 14, 1971

11:55 a.m.

Dr. Kissinger's conversation with the
President

Hello, Henry.

HAK: Mr. President.

Any progress on that sort of setting up that Committee approach to the
aid to Pakistan?

HAK: Yes, I talked to Irwin about it this morning.

How do you like the idea?

HAK: He thinks it is a good idea and I think we can move on it probably
on Tuesday.

Good. That's good enough. That's plenty of time.

HAK: Oh yes.

I think it puts an umbrella and you can pick all sorts of liberals that are
interested in basically -- just be sure they are interested in refugees.
Right?

HAK: Right. Because we are taking a -- I mean we are announcing the
more resilience one on Monday.

Right.

HAK: So there will be some news on that.

That's good. O.K. Fine. You take off tonight?

HAK: I take off first thing in the morning, Mr. President.

Well, good luck.

HAK: And I worked with Bunker yesterday on just putting everything we've
said into these propositions. So -- which he thinks he can sell to Thieu, and
I think I am going to peddle those so that we have completed our record.
So, when people say did you -- why didn't you have a reply to the seven
points, well this was our reply. And we got kicked in the teeth.

Right.

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HAK: So, if it should be an unproductive meeting we will have that in the bank.

We'll see. They are going to have a hellva of a time making it totally unproductive.

HAK: Well, that's what I thank and, Mr. President, I believe in addition that regardless of what happens this time they are going to be told it again in the middle of September the same way they were in the middle of July but at other moves.

Yes, I know. Good. Well, just play it cool and we will expect nothing and if something comes, good.

HAK: Right, Mr. President. I will be back Monday night.

Right.

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