The President's Office
The Department of Commerce
Publicity Staff

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TELCOM (San Clemente)

Alex Johnson/Kissinger

9:25 a.m. - 7/3/72

K: Hello.

J: Yes, Henry. Subject: UNCURK Postponing Korean Debate. We have sent over this morning a very good study of this whole UN-Korean issue, but briefly to answer your question there is a dichotomy I'd say between doing away with UNCURK and postponing the debate because to do away with it you have to have a General Assembly resolution which opens the debate on Korea. However, here is my suggestion as far as the people you are talking about are concerned. Have you seen this announcement that's going to be made tonight about Seoul and Penyang (?) and talks between them.

K: No, I haven't seen the announcement but you told me there would be...

J: It's in Seoul 3770.

K: Right.

J: With that our people don't anticipate any problem at all as far as postponing is concerned; that there will be strong support at the UN for postponing. Two, you can say to your people that as far as we're concerned we would - or an entirely agreeable to dissolving UNCURK, but this is going to take a little time to do and we're going to have to bring the rocks along on it. We're satisfied we can do so in the next twelve months and in fact it could be done a little bit before that by UNCURK itself recommending its own dissolution.

K: And can we deliver on that?

J: Probably so. The members of UNCURK aren't enthusiastic. I think it's likely that if things continue to go as they are that the next report of UNCURK shortly after the first of the year could recommend dissolution and then the next GA could act on it.

K: OK

J: Of course that's...

K: But supposing they wanted to go ahead. Will they win?

in firm However, getting I some-

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J: Well, if UNCURK wants to go ahead?

K: No, no supposing my clients want to go ahead and have a debate anyway. Do you think we can win?

J: Probably not. We think that we can win on postponement now with this announcement and as far as your clients are concerned this announcement represents a very long step forward towards accepting the Penyang or the North Korean view.

K: Right.

J: That this is a matter for the two of them to settle and not a matter for the UN and in effect postponement of debate also pays a bow in that direction. Postponement of debate says the UN is not taking this up this year. It tends to pull the UN back from involvement in Korea so on both of those counts your client could take credit with Penyang or say that Penyang is making headway.

K: Good. We have about two weeks before we contact them or you think it's urgent?

J: I don't think it's urgent. I think that we can wait and see the reaction to this announcement tonight and take a new reading on it. As far as we ourselves here, I don't think we feel it's urgent.

K: Right. No, well I'll just wait then until I get back but I'd like to look at that paper you said.

J: The paper is very good. Make a note to look particularly at pages 24 and 25 of it.

K: All right.

J: And then on annex A, page 3. Without any knowledge of this, of course, it was written - it's very pertinent.

K: Right.

J: Now, new subject. I don't know whether you've seen the message in from Algeria this morning. They still seem, but we haven't any firm reply yet - this is on recognition. They seem a little skiddish. However, the President of Sudan yesterday made a speech and we're just getting a copy of it talking about recognition and we might be able to pull something off in Sudan but we're still exploring that.

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K: Right.

J: The whole thing's still open.

K: Now we may have a little trouble cancelling Reagan. I saw him here on Saturday and he's got a whole five days in Italy and the President isn't all that eager to get into a brawl with him right now. But I don't think he can do any damage. He doesn't know anything.

J: No, but I think it's just a little embarrassing having two people go so close together at least. As far as the Secretary's concerned I think he's perfectly happy to forego the Pope. He was simply pressing hard on it because he thought that's what the President wanted him to do.

K: Yeh. Well, here there is no overwhelming need for it so he shouldn't do it just to please the President, let's put it that way.

J: I see. I see. But why don't we see. We still have plenty of time. We're still open and flexible on it and even if Algeria and or Sudan or something like that comes through there's no commitment to call on Rome.

K: Right. We still have plenty of time.

J: He can...

K: I mean it goes without saying the only meaningful discussion would be with the Secretary. Reagan just doesn't know enough leaving aside his views to have a sensible discussion.

J: No, no. Well, we're still open and flexible. We've told Graham (?) to relax until he hears further from us about what we're working on and let's wait and see what we get back both from Algeria and Sudan and then we can ride herd on it.

K: Right. Good. Fine.

J: That's all I've got.

K: Well, I just got in here so that's all I got. As I told you I talked to the President yesterday about the trip but I've told you the only thing that he said to me which was he's relaxed about it. He's a little

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K: reluctant to cancel Reagan but he wouldn't be unhappy if both went (cont) there.

J: He would not be unhappy.

K: No, he can live with that.

J: All right. We'll keep that in mind then. Let's keep that in mind as long as they aren't all there the same day.

K: That's right and that we can handle.

J: You could move Reagan, could you?

K: Oh sure we could move him a day or two. But particularly with Mrs. Reagan tell them they can't go to Rome for five days when that's a big thing in their schedule.

J: Oh, sure. I understand that. Well, if the President would be relaxed about both of them why if either Sudan or Algeria would work out that could then be worked out, but if Algeria and/or Sudan don't work out then I think the thing to do is for the Secretary to come on home.

K: OK.

J: I accept Martin's judgment as far as...

K: Yeh, it makes sense to me.

J: Yeh, it does to me too. I think the President thinks so too.

K: Yes, he agrees with it.

J: OK, Henry, have a good time.

K: Thank you.

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Re: a phone call to Herb Schlosser
at 7:30 p.m. today.

By: KHLW NAVA Date: 5/13/04

TELECON
Herb Schlosser

7/3/72 10:24 a.m.

S: Hello Henry.

K: Herb How are you.

S: Fine.

K: I wanted to check with you. Our girls have been talking to each other and now I just wanted to check with you what arrangements they had made.

S: 7:30 this evening.

K: Okay.

S: Okay, and you have the address?

K: Let me just check.

S: How are you?

K: I'm fine.

S: What's the weather?

K: Yeah, the weather is great.

S: You going to have a chance to take it easy this trip?

K: I'm going to try.

S: Good.

K: What is the address.

S: 713 North Bedford Drive, Beverly Hills.

K: Okay, and where is that. Well, I guess the Secret Service will find it.

S: You know where the Beverly Hills Hotel is?

K: Yeah. I'll let them worry about it.

S: Okay, 713 North Bedford Drive, in the neighborhood of 7:30.

K: Right. What do you wear?

S: I guess we'll wear sportcoats. K: Okay, good.

S: Look forward to seeing you. K: Good, see you 7:30 to 8:00.

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TELECON
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6/14/64

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S: You'll have a guest I assume.

K: I haven't arranged made any arrangements.

S: You need not if you wish not. It will be up to you.

K: Okay, well let me say. I may or may not.

S: Don't feel compelled to.

K: No, no, no. I'll call you about it. Should I call you ahead of time?

S: You need not. Just arrive with yourself and come however you want, either way.

K: Okay.

S: We'll look forward to seeing you.

K: Right, thank you.

S: Take care.

K: Good-bye.

I will find it.

Time of 7:30.

You 7:30 to 8:00.

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The White House

The President's Desk

TELECON
Norton Simon
7/3/72 10:35 a.m.

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/72

S: I guess we're going to see each other Friday afternoon at about 4:30 at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

K: That's what I understand. Is that the time? I didn't know what the time was.

S: I think that's what Taft suggested. He said he had a suite for you there, a bungalow or something.

K: Right, good.

S: And I think what we'll do is break up and then Taft and Rita are going to bring you down here for dinner around 7:30.

K: Great.

S: And have a little fun hopefully.

K: Well, that I look forward to. I've heard you've got a great house and I look forward to it very much. What do you wear there, sports clothes.

S: Oh casual, you know. Tie or a polo shirt or tee shirt... not teeshirt, you know what I mean.

K: Yeah, good.

S: Semi-formal without tie or with tie. The women get pretty I guess, at least I hope.

K: Well, you usually do well.

S: How are you. Have you been terribly rushed and busy nowadays.

K: Well, I've had a very hectic time since early May but I'm gonna try to get some rest out here.

S: Well we hope we'll have a pleasant evening for you.

K: Well, I'm sure it will be.

S: It will be nice to chat with you in the afternoon.

K: Well, I look forward to it very much. I've been wanting to and we've never quite managed to connect. In fact the President... I mentioned it to the President yesterday. He wanted me to raise a few things with you... I mean not political, I don't get into that.

TELECON

Simon

7/3/72 10:35am p. 2

S: Very good. I want to be helpful. I think there's need for anything one can do, but I don't care for pushing. I'm in my art world a lot, the educational world, and I'm less and less in the political world.

K: Well, but we ought to find some way of getting access to your ideas and seeing what we can do as this yearx develops and especially after the election.

S: Well, the economic situation gives one a little bit of the jitters I'm sure.

K: Yeah.

S: The international thing. There's bound to still be somewhat of a problem although I know that two years ago you told me that the country was getting a little tougher and I think they have justifiably. But it's a long way to go.

K: In foreign policy?

S: Yeah.

K: Yeah. We've got the major pieces in place. If we can get the war wound up now. And frankly we could do it if it weren't for the bloody campaign.

S: Get the war wound up?

K: Get the war wound up, yes.

S: The bloody bloody campaign makes it difficult to end the war.

K: Makes it very difficult because if you have one party that in effect promises what in effect amounts to unconditionally accepting the other side's proposals, you create an enormous incentive for them to wait.

S: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you right now the McGovern episode isn't going to help him much.

K: No.

S: Do you?

K: No, he hasn't shown well at all. I mean this the first little pressure he's had and he hasn't really responded very well.

S: Well I look forward to seeing you.

K: Good Norton, I'll see you on Friday afternoon, whatever time they set.
4:30 sounds good to me and we can talk for an hour and then I'll see you for the
evening. S: Yeah, see you at the hotel around 4:30. K: Good. S: Swell Bye.

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TELECON

Ron Ziegler

7/3/72 10:40 a.m.

By: KMLV NAVA Date: 5/12/04

Z: I'm putting you in conferring with the President. So if anyone
ever asks you if you did any time just say of course you were.

K: Yeah, well I did it yesterday too.

Z: No, I know. But I'm just putting you in.

K: Okay.

Z: You'll probably see him anyway, but I just wanted you to be aware.

K: Good.

Z: Okay. Haig gets back tomorrow, doesn't he?

K: Right.

Z: I want to have him briefing, or meeting with you and the President when he gets back. So whatever you work out that will be fine.

K: All right.

Z: You don't have that set up yet?

K: Actually, he was going to want a XEXXEXX rest tomorrow.

Z: Well, don't have him do it tomorrow.

K: Oh no, by Wednesday we'll certainly have it. Oh no, Wednesday without question. For that it's actually scheduled.

Z: Okay, good.

K: Now let me see. This isn't really your department. But do you think from a press point of view -- somebody invited me to go to an opening at the Coconut Grove with them, a party of about 8.

Z: Who?

K: Who, what do you care?

Z: Well, that relates to the story.

K: Oh, well, the ex-wife of Johnny Carson and you know 6 or 7 other movie people.

A

TELECON

Ziegler

7/3/72 10:40 a.m. p. 2

Z: Any big stars.

K: Well, I don't know whether there will be any among them.

Z: Hell, that's all right. Why not?

K: Joanna Carson will be the person I will be with.

Z: Why not? As far as I'm concerned if you're asking my judgment, why not?

K: I'm asking your judgment as to how it will play because they'll undoubtedly photograph it like insane maniacs.

Z: I think it will play with Henry Kissinger out with Carson's former wife and it will probably get one hell of a play, but what's the matter with that.

K: At the opening of a nightclub.

Z: Well, Coconut Grove doesn't fall into the nightclub category. I guess a lot of people out in the country don't think that way with you about that stuff. But the Coconut Grove does not fall into the typical nightclub category. You know what I mean. It doesn't have that image.

K: Yeah. Okay, you don't think it will be a negative?

Z: No, I don't. I don't think so.

K: Okay, good.

Z: Hey, listen. Did you meet with Victor Louis.

K: Victor Louis, yeah.

Z: You did?

K: Yeah, but you know it's all crap. Dobrynin knew about it; the President knew about it. You know, these jerks . . . would I make a move like this without telling the President?

Z: How should I handle it with the press?

K: Oh, just say yes it took place, but the President knew all about it as always, which happens to be true.

Z: Okay, did he play a role at all.

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TELECON

Samantha Eggar

7/3/72 ca. 10:45 a.m.

plans for Thursday, July 6

She cannot join HK at the Schlossers' this evening.

She will be coming to San Clemente on Thursday with her two children, Judy and her daughter and one other person. She will arrive around lunchtime or just before and will say hello and the children can run on the beach, etc.

She will call Mr. Kissinger before she comes to tell him exactly when she will be here, and to find out how to get in, etc.

TELECON

David Frost

7/3/72 10:45 a.m.

K: Where are you?

F: I'm in Acapulco

K: Oh, isn't that great.

F: I've got to go back to New York tomorrow, but I zipped down for two or three days. I wanted to sketch out an book which I've managed to do.

K: On what?

F: It's a novel in fact. I've never written a novel before and I've had this idea brewing around in my head for about 6 months and I thought if I just sat in front of an electric typewriter I could do it and I think I have. I haven't written the book obviously but I've written a 40-page synopsis. So I'm full of moral complicity today.

K: How is the weather in Acapulco now?

F: Marvelous, quite hot, but really delicious.

K: Well, I adore Acapulco.

F: It's a marvelous spot. You ought to come down for dinner tonight Henry. You've done a lot of traveling lately and I don't blame you for wanting to stay in one place.

K: I'm going to stay in one place now for two weeks.

F: I was calling you, A to great greet you and B, I've had three calls this morning about a hilarious diplomatic matter that I just wanted to ask you whether you thought it was worth anyone at the White House, from yourself down, as it were, doing anything about. It's an extraordinary story. Can I tell you about it?

K: Certainly.

F: It's about America's gift to the world of chess -- Bobby Fischer. I got to know him when he appeared on my show. He came to the party in Bermuda and so on.

K: That's right.

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Now the question is, is it worth someone doing that?

K: Yeah, I'll do it. I do all the nutty things around here. Where is he?

F: Well, now, I've got two phone numbers. Now unfortunately, ... he is staying at the moment with a Mr. Fred Saidy who is a Broadway writer of things like Brigadoon. And his son is a gradd master in chess. S-A-I-D-¥ in Douglaston Long Island. And the man who knows

K: I think if I call him I should just call him and tell him from a foreign policy point of view I hope the badpk hell he gets over there.

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F: Right. And I think he would be so thrilled. Let me just give you this number in case he's left Saidy's and then your secretary could find out

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K: I'll give him a call. When does he have to get over there?

F: Well, that's the hell of it Paul was saying. The only flight is an Icelandic airlines flight through the night tonight.

K: Okay, I'll give him a call.

F: If he says, oh, I've got to fly through the night. He does get in at 5:00 in the morning and he's then got 12 hours to rest. He has to be on the court . . . or what are you on? On the board, on the chair at 5:00 tomorrow afternoon. So he has 12 hours to rest.

K: Does it mean he's already starting three games behind?

F: No, they gave him the . . . it should have started Sunday and they gave him the maximum postponement which is two days. And if he's not there tomorrow he's disqualified.

K: Right. Okay, fine, I'll call him.

F: It makes a change Henry, doesn't it?

K: Yeah.

F: How long are you in California?

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TELECON

Ron Ziegler

7/3/72 ca. 10:55 a.m.

By: KMLV NARA No: 5/12/04

Z: I'm talking to a public relations strategist back in Washington who had you scheduled for a press conference on Friday at the Newport. Is that . . .

K: Me?!

Z: Yeah. You planning on doing a briefing on Friday of any kind?

K: Not that I'm aware of. In fact on Friday I'm going up to Los Angeles.

Z: I told him that I'd bet him a thousand dollars you wouldn't do that. I don't think you feel that this is the time to be going out there and talking around, do you.

K: I think I ought to shut up.

Z: Yeah, that's what I mean.

K: Don't you?

Z: Yeah. Okay, well you're not set to do it in other words.

K: No.

Z: Okay, fine. Good.

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TELCOM (San Clemente)

Ken Clawson/Kissinger

12:02 p.m. - 7/3/72

K: Hello.

C: Henry, do you have a couple of minutes for me to go over two subjects with you and depending on your reaction I can work the rest out with your staff.

K: OK.

C: Number one is the "Making of the Summit" special which we've agreed to with ABC. Are you familiar with the details on that?

K: No.

C: I was afraid you weren't. Well, it's part of the merchandising package that's coming out of the Russian trip was an ABC special called the making of the summit.

K: You wouldn't mind not using the word merchandising with me, will you?

C: All right. I'll refrain from that word. But part of this was to be an interview between you and Howard Chase Smith.

K: Discussing what?

C: Pardon me?

K: For how long?

C: Oh, twenty minutes, half hour.

K: Well, has the President ever focused on this or is this one of these Colson hotshot ideas?

C: No sir, it is not a Colson hotshot. It was approved by Haldeman.

K: You know for six months they've been looking for a good television spot for me. I just can't believe that that is the one.

C: The special is supposed to be aired on August 17 in prime time.

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K: I know but that is not what anyone has ever discussed with me. Hell, I'll do what people ask me to do, I don't give a damn.

C: The only trouble with this is the interview has to be arranged fairly soon.

K: But our congenital illness is to just keep blowing things. If I do this I won't be able to do another one which could review the whole foreign policy.

C: I see.

K: But I don't give a damn. I'll do it.

C: I think it's a good thing.

K: Well, it's a good thing if it's always in relation to what else we might do.

C: That's true.

K: It's not as good as a one-hour special just focusing on all of our foreign policy.

C: That's correct.

K: And Howard Chase Smith is a lousy interviewer because he's too favorable. I'd much rather have a nasty one, but you know they had been talking to the Kalbs. We had an hour special set once. I don't give a damn. I'll be glad to do it. If August 17th turns out to be a good day in the middle of the summer, if that's what they want to do, fine.

C: I see your point, Henry.

K: I have no personal objection except you have to remember I can't do more than one or two of these.

C: I would think the hour special you're talking about should come in October.

K: Yeh, but you know the networks aren't nuts.

C: No, but you and I both know that you could do the hour special anytime we say that you'll do it.

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TELCOM (San Clemente)
Senator Mansfield/Kissinger
8:45 a.m. - 7/5/72

K: Hello.

M: Hello, Henry, how are you?

K: Getting a good rest.

M: Listen Henry I called you thinking you might be in town. I didn't want to disturb the President and to raise the possibility of my going back to China the day after the election for more of an indepth study. What do you think?

K: I would welcome it.

M: I'll talk it over with the President when he gets back but I don't want to bother him now.

K: As far as we are concerned you can't go too often. Quite seriously you really made a tremendous impact there. And you know they specifically singled you out. They just didn't say the visiting Senators, they mentioned you by name repeatedly.

M: Well, that's good.

K: And quite spontaneously. You know I wasn't checking up on you.

M: Well, I'll have to go back to check up on you.

K: I think you and I are working the same side of the street in China.

M: I think so. I think so. Henry.

K: Now can we be of any assistance?

M: No, I just wanted to get word to you and could you sort of get the wheels in operation?

K: Sure, you want to do it the day after the election? Or a week after?

M: The day after. Either the day of the election or the day after because I expect your man to be in for another four years.

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K: Well, we'd welcome it and on that assumption - I mean not on that assumption you should go - but on that assumption it would usher in a good period of bipartisan cooperation which we really should have in the next four years.

M: Good. I hadn't thought of that, but if you'll get the wheels going I'll get in touch with you - I'm going away on doctor's orders to take about a ten day rest and to get away from everything.

K: Right. Now, do you mind Senator, if I wait until I can do it personally which would be about two weeks from now.

M: Oh good.

K: Because I'm afraid if they get it cold in writing it will look a little odd to them and they'll wonder what the motive is while if I can talk to them - to my Presidential contact personally - and I think it would carry some weight also with Chou.

M: That's good enough. Great.

K: The only thing that would need a little explanation is why it's good for everybody if you went so early after the election.

M: Well, you can do that.

K: And I would like to do that. Indeed and I will do that with the argument on either hypothesis it would be good.

M: You use your best judgment but I would like to do it in a little more depth this time and see what it's like really. I think I know but I like to be sure.

K: Good.

M: And I'll see you when I get back.

K: I would enjoy that very much and you can count on my taking it up personally which I think is the best way to do it.

M: OK and will you tell the President that I want to call him but I didn't want to disturb him this early in the morning.

K: He will understand I'm sure.

M: OK, Henry, bye.

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Dobrynin/Kissinger

10:40 a.m. - 7/5/72

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol, how are you?

D: Now I feel as if you are here.

K: You get two calls in a day. I just talked to the President about this announcement. He would far prefer to make it as one announcement preferably this weekend. You know I know what your problems are, but I just wanted you to know his strong preference.

D: Well, you see I would like to just have a delegation here with me as a matter of fact. I'm calling from another room but they are sitting in my room. The problem is for us I'll be very frank with you. The situation is such that the negotiations on the actual deals with the companies is being handled in New York and is delayed and what we really are concerned about is that any kind of announcement will immediately do a little jumping of the presses. And as the deal is a very big one each dollar per ton makes millions of dollars. So this is really the situation we are in here.

K: In that case we would prefer to make rather one announcement than two if possible.

D: No, no, we think that one would be better but maybe could we make it the middle of next week because . . .

K: The trouble is if it's right in the middle of the Democratic Convention he would prefer then to do it the following Saturday.

D: What would it be then . . . . . next Saturday then?

K: Let me check with him whether he wants that.

D: Please check. This is the only really trouble with us - that we don't know whether we're going to be in a position on Friday to sign with the companies because this is a million and million deal.

K: Right. But after you've signed with the companies it will leak out anyway. That's our worry.

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D: No, no, no. But then we are immediately prepared that very day to sign with you.

K: Yeh, but the point is supposing you sign this Friday and we then hold it a week.

D: You mean this Friday? Then we will sign the agreement with you on Saturday.

K: But supposing you don't sign this Saturday with the companies, can you hold it up for a week?

D: You mean the actual signing?

K: Yeh, with them.

D: Well, I think we could do it but I have to check again with the delegation. But in this case we will then hold up the signing until the next.

K: Then we'll hold the signing until the following Saturday.

D: You mean with the companies?

K: With the companies maybe Friday or hopefully also until Saturday.

D: Could you wait just a minute, please?

K: Yeh. (Long pause while D goes to get information.)

D: Henry, as Mr. ________ put the message to me, it's rather difficult for him, practically almost impossible, to wait with the signing of the contract for another second week because he will stay (?) here and it's rather difficult. What if we do it this way - he will try to do his best with his men to finish it by this Saturday.

K: Good, that is what we prefer.

D: Well, I hope it will be done, but could we be then in touch with you on Friday.

K: All right.

D: Then the situation will be clear how it stands and then we will discuss it once more. As for now we will aim at this Saturday to sign everything; the contracts and of course the Government

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D: (cont) agreements. If something ______ develops then let's discuss and I'll ask your advice then on Friday.

K: OK, let's do it that way.

D: Not to make any decision about next week and so on. As of now we will have an idea to finish everything by Saturday and then you will be free to do what you please about the announcement. But if something develops, difficulties with these companies, then I will really check with you on Friday morning and then we will come to an agreement how to handle the things further. All right?

K: Right.

D: It's acceptable.

K: That's fine. We will try to do it this Saturday and if that doesn't work we'll consult how to do it best.

D: Good. As for now we're aiming at Saturday to sign everything, but if we couldn't sign agreement with the companies on Friday or it will be clear that we will not sign it on Friday or Saturday then I will call you Friday morning and we'll discuss it on Friday.

K: Excellent. Terrific.

D: So I will be in touch with you.

K: Bye.

D: Bye.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority EOL2587
By CHIARA Date 07/07/87

Re: a phone call to San Clemente

President's Office

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L. W. NAVAQ. Data: 5/13/64

TELCONE (San Clemente)

President/Kissinger

11:42 a.m. - 7/5/72

K: Mr. President.

P: Henry, I wanted to be sure that you got off a personal message from me to Tanaka.

K: Right, it's in the works.

P: You might say that you may recall his daughter had gone to school in the '68 campaign someplace in Pennsylvania and he had told me here at San Clemente that his daughter had worn Nixon buttons in '68.

K: Oh, really.

P: Yeh.

K: We better do that one out of State channels.

P: I wouldn't do it in the State channels.

K: That part of it.

P: No, I would simply say - No, I've written him a note and mentioned that in it or something. But I think what I would do is congratulate him for his leadership and so forth.

K: Well, that we have.

P: And then you'll find in the correspondence somewhere where I mentioned that or you could just have the Ambassador or you say to them that I particularly remember his daughters support in '68.

K: I think the Ambassador should say that when he delivers your letter.

P: Yeh, would you do that?

K: Absolutely.

P: That I particularly remember that and would he extend my personal wishes to her too. Because it's important to establish a good relationship with this fellow.

Receptionist's Office
The State Office Building
Room 300
Telephone: 3-3333
Telex: 3-3333
Telex幣: 3-3333

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E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

NASA Date 5/12/04

K: Absolutely, in fact I think, Mr. President, you might consider meeting with him before the election.

P: Sure, I'm all for that. Where would we meet, Hawaii?

K: Well, I don't know whether you had planned to come out here after the Republican Convention.

P: Yes, I could. As a matter of fact, rather than doing that we might just meet him in Hawaii. That would be a good excuse to go there.

K: Well, we could easily and he would prefer that.

P: Yeh, that's an idea and it might be a good thing to do - to go there and find a pleasant place. But anyway you can have the Ambassador explore that with him too, OK?

K: Right, Mr. President.

P: And send the other message off.

K: Good.

my personal
a good

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By: KVL NASA Date: 5/13/04

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H: Yeh, he's ugly and a bore. And the Ziffin's you know I adore. Mickey said that of course I was coming to get them and she would tell Paul that they would leave early because they always do. But she said Paul's dying to see you and I understand that. Then she said I think you and Barry should join us and . . . . . . .

K: Well, why don't you come?

H: I don't even know if Barry would come if he had to sit at the table with SAMITIZED

K: Can't they be separate?

instead

H: That might be arranged if I can do the seating next to her. j
Do you think I should come?

K: I'd love it. I'd definitely come if you'd come. I was really playing with the idea of saying the President called me.

H: Well, I don't know what to do - maybe I'll call Barry after.

K: Why don't you call Barry and let me know.

H: OK.

K: And then I'll definitely come. . . . . . . . And then here's this -
I'm so glad you called me. Could you come earlier in the week?
The trouble is Dobrynin may come here next Wednesday and it's
just uncertain enough for me - in that case I would have to spend
the day with him. How would Monday be?

H: I could do that.

K: Monday is absolutely safe.

H: It is.

K: Yeh, nothing can happen Monday. Let's plan on Monday.

H: All right and then you'll tell me what time you want me and I'll then find directions.

K: I'll give all that to you Sunday.

H: OK, we'll make it Monday.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

The President of the Republic of Vietnam

By: K.L.Y. NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCONE (San Clemente)

President/Kissinger

12:45 p.m. - 7/5/72

K: Mr. President.

P: This isn't confidential.

K: No, I'm in a separate room.

P: Oh fine. What I was wondering - I don't know whether you can fit it into your scheduling - it might be a good idea to have Thompson, Haig and you come over about 5 o'clock just for a drink. Then we can get Thompson out of the way tonight.

K: Oh, dammit. It's not my problem so much - it's that I've told Thompson to go back to Los Angeles now and he's left. And we were going to pick him up again tomorrow morning.

P: Fine, that's perfectly all right. We'll do it tomorrow.

K: Right. This fellow Gibbons is here with an odd proposition. The North Vietnamese have approached him and Hoffa's lawyer saying Hoffa should enter the negotiations and they'd receive them in Hanoi if we'd give them a pardon.

P: Oh my God.

K: And they'd let him come back with some prisoners.

P: That's just. . .

K: That's just a cynical, filthy . . .

P: That is so cynical and filthy. I mean give him a pardon - good God. Also that screws us up. Hoffa's using them and they're using Hoffa in order to screw FitzSimmons, too.

K: Well, I've already told them. . .

P: Just say we can't negotiate in other channels.

K: I've told them we can't negotiate in other channels and it can't be done.

P: It's always their way too, you know, to say we'll give you three or four prisoners and then use tokenism and so forth. These guys though are hurting that's all.

The Times, Sunday版 of the week
New York, New York

Federal Government

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E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.5

By: K.L.V.

NASC. DATE: 5/12/04

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K: It's a pretty desperate move.

P: You bet your life. OK. Another thing that occurred to me briefly was that you were talking about Thompson doing something for the press which I think he can if he can get a program. Why doesn't he go out and see the press here? After all he's been in to see me and it just gives him a little . . . wouldn't that be useful?

K: Well, I have no problem with that.

P: What I mean is if he's positive.

K: He's very positive.

P: Possibly he could just go out and say I just reported to the President.

K: Except he's not our. . . .

P: No, but on the other hand Ziegler could find a way. They know. . .

K: I'll talk to Ziegler about it.

P: Remember we quoted him November 3rd and so forth. It would give us basically ~~March~~ a foreign and domestic story tomorrow. Everytime we can keep reminding people that I'm working on this thing it's good.

K: Excellent. Fine.

P: See and in that way it'll meet the press and the rest is a limited audience. This hits the whole national press rights right out here.

K: I'll talk to Ziegler immediately.

P: Fine and if you like set it up that way and I'll see him early in the morning - say 9 o'clock or so.

K: He'll be here at 9.

P: All right. Good.

K: All right, Mr. President.

Department of Defense
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U.S. Air Force
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By: K.M.V. NASA Date: 5/13/94

TELCOM (San Clemente)
Ziegler/Kissinger
1:00 p.m. - 7/5/72

(Came in late)

Z: ______, an Australian. He's in the United States and also
Director of Reuters and the Associated Press wants very much
to see you on his way back to Australia.

K: When?

Z: At your convenience. You know if you could see him tomorrow
or Friday. Just briefly. Roy McCartney who's a good guy would
escort him out here. It would be strictly off the record. He saw
Johnson when he was in the United States in 1967.

K: Can it be done on Monday?

Z: I don't know I'll have to check with him.

K: Because I'm afraid it's going to be rough and Friday I'm going to
Los Angeles.

Z: Well, let me see if he could do it on Monday.

K: OK.

Z: See he's delaying his schedule for this possibility, but let me check
and see.

K: OK, now look we have Sir Robert Thompson here and he is just back
from Vietnam and he's fairly optimistic. The President wondered
whether it's a good idea to have meet your press.

Z: I think that would be a bad idea.

K: I do too.

Z: I think it would be a very, very bad idea.

K: Cause it would just stir it up again.

Z: Sure it would.

K: Right, I agree. I'll tell the President.

Z: Has the President seen him?

By: KHLW NASA Date 5/13/74

TELCONE (San Clemente)

Fred Brisson/Kissinger

1:35 p.m. - 7/5/72

K: Hello.

B: Yes, Henry.

K: Fred, how are you?

B: Fine.

K: Fred, I got things a little screwed up about Wednesday because it turns out the Russian Ambassador is likely to be here and I may not be able to get away. How would Thursday be?

B: You mean a week from this Thursday - that would be the 13th.

K: Right.

B: Let me check that out with Rosalind. I think that'll be all right. And I'll get back to you later in the day.

K: Right. Now the second thing is, I may give a dinner - almost certainly will if it turns out - for Dobrynin on the 11th in Los Angeles. Would you and Ros be able to come to that?

B: I'm pretty sure. I haven't got a date book here. Tuesday, the 11th, you mean.

K: Right. If he came he would come on the 11th to Los Angeles.

B: Who are you having it for?

K: The Soviet Ambassador - Dobrynin.

B: He'd come on the 11th, you say?

K: Yeh and then he's going down to San Clemente on the 12th and I think it's a little risky for me in case he stays over night to make a date in Los Angeles for that evening.

B: Absolutely, I agree with you. But in other words, what you are saying to me is to dine with you that night on Tuesday the 11th and then you would dine with us on Thursday the 13th.

H. E. T. U. S. Air Force
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DECLASSIFIED
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By: K.H.V. NASA Date: 5/12/64

K: Right. That would be like a State visit, you see we'd have return engagements.

B: Very much so. Very diplomatic, the whole thing.

K: At any rate I can't do it. If the 13th is difficult we can leave it until my next visit.

B: No, I'm sure it'll be all right. Just let me check it out with Rosalind and I'll call you later today or this evening or first thing tomorrow.

K: Excellent.

B: All right, then I'll tell her about the 11th also, Henry.

K: Good.

B: I'll be talking to you.

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TELECON
Secretary Butz

7/6/72 8:25 a.m.

B: Henry, Earl Butz. Sorry I missed you a while ago.

K: Oh, that's all right. I just wanted to check up with you on this deal that you are working on. And I wanted to make sure that we were all aboard. First, the President is quite eager that you be featured in a significant way in this.

B: Well, won't he participate himself personally?

K: Well, no, out here we will just make a White House announcement. He doesn't want anyone to come out here.

B: Oh, okay. We were talking about bringing some of the farm leaders out.

K: No, he doesn't want that.

B: Oh, all right.

K: What he wants is that we make the announcement here with just some minimum questions and answers which hopefully you would give us of the sort of general question that comes up. That then you and Peterson give a backgrounder in Washington, or a briefing in Washington and explain it and that you, if you had the time, could go into the farm areas and head some more discussions about it.

B: Well, we'll do that surely and as you know I've continually got meetings set up in the farm areas and I can feature this in one of my forthcoming talks. Now I haven't gotten ahold of Peterson yet this morning. Are we going to announce it this weekend, do you know.

K: I've talked to Dobrynin yesterday. If they can get the orders placed by tomorrow evening we'll announce it on Saturday. Otherwise we'll just do it when it comes.

B: All right now our intelligence for the market is that the Russians have placed very substantial orders, that's our intelligence from the American side, not from the Russian.

K: Right.

B: From the market. And that the exporters are in the market buying very heavily is our intelligence. So I assume the Russians are probably moving ahead very vigorously on this. Now our people here think that they're playing a kind of a cat and mouse game with us on delaying this announcement until they get their purchases done, but they're moving ahead vigorously on them.

K: Well, that's what he told me.

Re: [Subject to change]
Re: Meeting on Monday, July 10th, at 2:00 pm
Please call if you have any questions

Butz

7/6/72 8:25am p. 2

B: Good. All right, now I'm scheduled at a farm meeting at Baton Rouge, Louisiana Monday and the 10th. I'm going to be in Des Moines Friday night, but the announcement won't come until Saturday morning will it?

K: That's right.

B: Of course Des Moines would be a wonderful place to discuss this but I can't do it Friday night.

K: I guess not.

B: Right. Well I'll certainly do that. And I'll give it a big play.

K: Good, terrific. We're counting on you to lead the ... you know, to be the leading figure in getting the word out to the interested parties.

B: Well we'll certainly do that cause this is going to be great news Henry. And this just helps so many in that farm belt solid, politically.

K: Terrific.

B: And we appreciate the good work you did on it in Moscow. I know you helped move it.

K: Well, you're nice to say that.

B: All right then. Thank you.

K: Byyy.

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Authority E01255C

By CHNARA Date Stot

TELECON

Ambassador Dobrynin

7/6/72 x00px2 10:12 a.m.

K: Hello.

D: Hello Henry.

K: Anatol, you're lonely.

D: How are you?

K: Fine.

D: Well Henry, I just want to tell you about this grain business. Well, I was in consultation with Moscow and __________ spent an hour discussing New York and it looks as if it will be quite all right with them in Moscow if you will announce it on Saturday.

K: Terrific, very good.

D: So in this case we will be prepared our government to sign an agreement which is already agreed upon but we were waiting for signing in order to make it tomorrow then.

K: Right.

D: So this is the only thing . . . because the text is agreed upon. There is nothing else. Or if you prefer on Saturday, we could sign on Saturday really. There is no . . .

K: Well, why don't you sign on Saturday and we'll announce it on Saturday.

D: On Saturday.

K: When did you think we should announce it, tomorrow?

D: No, no, why -- you ask us for Saturday.

K: Saturday is the best now for us.

D: You asked for Saturday.

K: No, no, it should be Saturday.

D: You prefer to sign on Saturday?

K: Yes.

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By CAPTAIN DATE Stetol

*

Dobrynin

7/6/72 10:12 a.m. p. mk 2

D: Then they make it in the morning.

K: Right.

D: Work something out . . . . . here on Saturday because I would like to
see my grandfather.

K: Can we do it around noon?

D: Well, . . . around 11:00.

K: Well you see we have to brief here say around 9:00 . . .

D: It will be 12:00 . . . this time it will be 12:00. We will sign at 11:00 and
you will announce it at 12:00 so it's all right.

K: Okay.

D: I think it's quite all right. It's 11:00 and you will announce at 12 Washington
time and for you it will be quite all right, 9:00.

K: Right.

D: Okay?

K: Right. Now Anatol, can I ask you about your trip out here?

D: Yes.

K: I have arranged a tour of one movie studio.

D: Yes, fine.

K: Now, are you interested . . . that only takes, you know, we'll have lunch
there, and we'll have lunch with Alfred Hitchcock. I thought that might be inter-
esting for you.

D: Where?

K: At Universal. And they have lined up Alfred Hitchcock, you know, that
famour director, to have lunch.

D: Yes, yes, I know, yes.

K: To have lunch with us and then they give us a tour. Now do you want to see
one of these big television studios here too?

EX

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By CHNARA Date 6/6/72

Dobrynin

7/6/72 10:12 a.m. p. 3

D: If you will think it will be interesting it will be quite all right for me.

K: Okay.

D: I am at your disposal.

K: No, I don't want to overload you. I want to make sure you . . .

D: I think it would be interesting.

K: Okay, I'll take you there too and then, let's see, in the evening I'll have a dinner . . . I'll invite the more senior group at dinner. You don't want the jet set.

D: No, no, no I understand. Quite all right.

K: Okay, you know people like the older actors, James Stewart.

D: No, I understand of course. It really is quite all right. Because you know it will be very good.

K: Good, and then the next day . . . I've got you a reservation at the Hotel Century Plaza.

D: Okay. I don't know, but I rely on you.

K: Good. Well, you let me know the . . . But you will come there before lunch, right?

D: Yes I will come before lunch. We will discuss. I will call you from San Francisco on Monday.

K: Good.

D: And we will finalize the time.

K: Good, but plan to arrive before lunch and remember everything is a long distance here so you should arrive about 10:00, 10:30.

D: Oh, I see. Okay, okay Henry.

K: Okay?

D: Yes.

K: Good.

on Monday

D: So I will give you an call/to tell you exactly the hour.

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H. G. W. Bush, President
The State of the Union
December 6, 2001

By: KVL NASA Date: 5/12/01

Dobrynin

7/6/72 10:12 a.m. p. xx 2

K: Right.

K: Can we do it around noon?

D: Well, . . . around 11:00.

K: Okay.

K: Right.

D: Okay?

D: Yes.

D: Yes, fine.

D: Where?

D: Yes, yes, I know, yes.

K: To have lunch with us and they give us a tour. Now do you want to see
one of these big television studios here too?

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Dobrynin

7/6/72 10:12 a.m. p. 3

The picture of a woman in a white dress
on her left, next to a black and white
telephone.

6/11/72 JML V NASA Dated 5/13/84

K: Okay.

D: I am at your disposal.

K: Good.

K: Okay?

D: Yes.

K: Good.

on Monday
D: So I will give you a call to tell you exactly the hour.

Receptionist's Office, open 11:00 to 11:00 daily, except on weekends and holidays

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295B, Sec. 3.5

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/13/04

TELCONE (San Clemente)
Herb Schlosser/Kissinger
11:55 a.m. - 7/6/55

K: Hello.

S: Henry.

K: Herb, I wanted to call and tell you what a great time I had at your house the other day.

S: Oh, we had a marvelous time and it was good seeing you and the thing I love about having you with us is the ease that you automatically put into other people and this prompts them to ask you questions.

K: It wasn't a hard group to put at ease.

S: I'll tell you that you must have been dynamite at Harvard.

K: Well, I don't know.

S: (Laughter)

K: Herb, two things. One, I have the Soviet Ambassador in town next Tuesday and I'm getting some people together at the Bistro upstairs for him Tuesday evening and I was wondering whether you and Judy would like to come.

S: I'd love to. It would be marvelous.

K: Good. Well, let's say 7:30.

S: Perfect, at the Bistro next Tuesday.

K: Right. Now secondly, he wanted to see some movie studio and I've arranged that at Universal but now he tells me he also wants to see a television studio as long as he's out here.

S: Oh, fine, we'd love to do that.

K: Can that be done? But the trouble is he won't be free until about 3:30 or 4:00 because we're going to Universal first.

S: All right. You tell me when and . . . will you be with him?

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in New York City
by Walter S. McEwan

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By: KWL NASA Date: 5/13/64

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K: Yes, I'll be with him and my kids will be with him.

S: Oh, fine. You tell me when...

K: So if you could - you know it doesn't have to be quite the grand tour you gave us last year - but say an hour or an hour and a half worth of some of the same stuff. If there is any show being taped at that moment or rehearsing or something like that.

S: I'll find out when we finish. I think - I know there'll be one show in rehearsal but I'll put it this way - if we can settle the contractual problem with the stars that erupted 15 minutes ago we'll be in rehearsal.

K: What's that one?

S: That's Sanford and Son which is our new big black hit. His proletarian instincts might... at any rate I will know what is in the studio on Tuesday afternoon and I will look for you. I will be here next week.

K: Good.

S: So to the extent you know your timing a little better, let me know but I will assume that...

K: It will be no later than 4:00, between 3:30 and 4:00.

S: Right. And we shall do that.

K: Oh, that would be marvelous.

S: And I shall see you Tuesday evening then.

K: And Tuesday evening.

S: Fine. Are you getting some rest?

K: Yes, I'm really getting a good rest. I'm working only in the Morning.

S: Will you be in Paris yourself? Or if that's a secret don't tell me.

K: I can never comment on that.

S: All right, don't comment. Your fine Italian hand will be throughout it all.

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right, Sir, at 4 o'clock.
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K: Well, I'll be heavily involved.

S: I know that. I hope something happens. I guess that news report this morning got everybody.

K: Well, it's a little . . . at this point I just want everyone to shut up.

S: Right.

K: I don't mean my friends, I mean . . .

S: I know what you mean. You'd rather not have. . .

K: No, we are at a point in the negotiations where they've got to break one way or the other and we don't want to juggle them much.

S: Why don't you assume that everything is set for Tuesday unless you hear to the contrary and . . .

K: Good and I'll check with you the day before.

S: Fine.

K: Good.

S: Take care.

Re: [TELCON] (San Clemente)
Re: [John Chancellor/Kissinger]
Re: [12:02 p.m. - 7/6/72]

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By: K.H. Y
NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCONE (San Clemente)
John Chancellor/Kissinger
12:02 p.m. - 7/6/72

K: Hello.

C: How are you?

K: John, how are you?

C: Getting any rest?

K: Yes, I'm getting some rest.

C: I'm delighted to hear that. I must say we're not having the convention coming up on Sunday.

K: I'll bet.

C: Henry, I'm not going to take much of your time but I've been wondering if you've seen the story on the UPI that Carol Toller (?) wrote out of London?

K: Yes.

C: Could you give me any guidance on that? I remember when we talked the last time we raised this and you seemed, if my memory is correct, you weren't quite saying that, but we both agreed that both China and the Soviet Union could be saying, "Look, the Americans are sincere and you ought to listen to them."

K: Well, we're speaking off the record and you're not going to ascribe it to Administration sources.

C: No sir.

K: It sounds plausible to me, but this story doesn't say what Hanoi's reaction is.

C: Right.

K: So we'll still have to await that.

C: In other words I can treat this story with a moderate seriousness.

K: Yeh.

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C: All right. That's what I thought. You know he's not an unreliable man.

K: I don't know him.

C: He's a European who lives in London and whose life and hobby is covering East European embassies there and in the past he's come up with some authoritative stories and I would guess that he has a good source on this one. I just not fishing for a big story. I just need to know. . .

K: Well, you know I literally don't know whether there's a big story. All I can say is, you know you sometimes read stories and you say Jesus Christ, how can anyone be so irresponsible. And that is not my reaction to this story.

C: Oh, boy. Well, we're not going to say the war is going to end but I'm just going to quote from this item here.

K: It sounds plausible to me.

C: OK and no attribution, of course, to you.

K: Right.

C: I'll see you soon, I hope.

K: That would be nice. Call me when you get back and tell me who won.

C: All right, Henry, if you've got a television set you might turn it on next week.

K: Will you be able to tell what's going on?

C: I don't know. We'll do our best for you, Henry.

K: I know you will. Call me when you get back.

C: I will.

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E.O. 12939, Sect. 3.6

By: K.H.Y. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM (San Clemente)

Otis Chandler/Kissinger

12:14 p.m. - 7/6/72

K: Hello.

C: Otis, Henry, how are you, my friend?

K: I'm fine.

C: Good, getting some rest while you're out here?

K: Yes, I'm taking afternoons off.

C: Good, walks on the beach or . . .

K: Yes.

C: Henry, I wondered if you would have any time while you're here to come up and talk to us. We'd like to see you. We're filled with quite a few questions about what's been happening and we always like to hear from you.

K: Sure. I'll do it. Can we leave it until Monday?

C: Yes we could, Henry.

K: I cannot do it on Monday. Can we leave it until Monday that we settle which day.

C: Yeh, why don't you do that, Henry. I have to go East on Monday and I'll either be going Monday afternoon or Monday morning. If I'm not here could you talk to Tony Day.

K: Sure. When will you be back?

C: I'll be back Tuesday night so anytime Wednesday.

K: Good. Well, for me it would be better anyway towards the latter part of the week.

C: Thursday I think would be best for all of us.

K: Well, why don't we aim tentatively for Thursday.

C: The 13th.

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By: K.L. NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: Yeh, let's put that down.

C: And if you find during the day that you can come up here fine.

K: Good. I'd like to do it if you don't mind in the late afternoon.

C: Fine. All right, why don't you just then have your office call my office and confirm that then the first of the week.

K: Good. That'd be great.

C: OK.

K: Be nice to see you again. Give my best to Missy. I'm sorry I missed you when you were in Washington but I was going off to Moscow.

C: I know. I can't keep track of you. I hope that you're going to be here for a while.

K: I'll be here for a bit now.

C: Where're you staying - Jimmy Toland's house?

K: No, I'm staying in another house near there because it's a little larger and better for my kids but I like Toland's house. When I'm down here alone that's where I stay.

C: OK. Good to talk to you, Henry. We'll see you next week.

K: Good Otis.

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By: K.H.Y. NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM (San Clemente)
Laird/Kissinger
12:16 p.m. - 7/6/72

K: Hello.

L: Henry.

K: Mel, how are you?

L: Fine, how are you getting along out there?

K: I'm doing fine.

L: Children all right?

K: They're fine.

L: Got good weather?

K: Perfect. We're on the beach every day.

L: Well, we're filled in with rain out here. Still getting a lot of rain.

K: I think you probably got one of these weather making generals out of control.

L: Say, Henry, did you get that book I sent out on the XXXXXXXXXXXX Debre?

K: Not yet.

L: Well, it's out there and he's going to be in there to see you tomorrow. And really with this change of government in France I hope that you'll see him and try to get him in to see the President for a minute or two.

K: I'll see him. I, in fact may move up his appointment by a half an hour. That way I'll have more time for him.

L: It would be nice if you could get a picture with the President with him in it.

K: Right. Does he have an interpreter with him?

L: Yeh, he has General Donaldson whose very fluent. He was taught at West Point and is a very fine general.

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