MJD F.O. 12958
DECLASSIFIED
Authoritative
By NARA Date 6/9/04

TelCon:3/4/72

Mr. Kissinger:Mr. Sisco

S: Let me just say something. I just talked to Al Haig. If my situation isn't cleared with the President in terms of this Benjamin Wells article, so help me I am going to resign.

K: Well, your name didn't even come up. I was the one who got hell.

S: Well, look (a) I did not see Ben Wells, I don't even know the son of a bitch.

K: Yes.

S: Two, the leak comes out of my shop and I know where it comes from because I looked into it. It comes from a man who knows the memorandum which is presently on the Secretary of State's desk. Third, the man who leaked it did not even know that you and I talked let alone the subject. And Fourth the man is Chris Van/ and I could shoot his ass out. Hollen

K: Well look. I got hell. I did not mention your name.

S: Well thank-you. Because really Henry so help me if the President thinks this I want to quit, I want to resign and I am not going to take drift on this thing. I am really very disturbed.

K: No, no. Joe, I was the guy who was disturbed.

S: Well I don't blame you. Here is the other thing. You and I talked about something very private, very private. Henry, the Secretary of State doesn't even know what we talked about.

K: Well, that is right. That is another embarrassment to me.

S: That's right, and that is why I was very careful in how this memo went forward because I called you for guidance for obvious reasons.

K: Right.

S: Really, but if the President thinks I did it

K: No, look the President called me and chewed my ass out and he said how the hell did they get it. I said all I gave was very general instructions and ah.

S: Did you tell him you talked to me about it?

K: No, I said I gave very general instructions. Look given the troubles

MJD F.O. 12958
DECLASSIFIED
Authorized
By. NARA Date 6/9/04

that exist between State and the White House. It is not my duty
to make them first even though your colleagues don't seem to
believe that.

S: Well, on the contrary. I read your backgrounder and let me tell you that your paragraph on pages 15 and 16 I read very carefully where you described the parallelism in the meetings at the top and with the Secretary of State. You know what I told the Secretary of State?

K: What.

S: I said by God you did a tremendous job of making sure that nobody but nobody could say about you that you weren't giving full credit where your credit was due. You go and read your pages 15 and 16 in your backgrounder Henry and I think you did a tremendous job on that and that is what I told the Secretary by the way.

K: Good, I appreciate that.

S: But Henry I really have never been so disturbed about something because I don't mind taking responsibility for any goof that I committed

K: Well, at this stage of the game the guy who got hell is I and in general he is mad at the State Department for leaking this.

S: Well, this I will take responsibility.

K: Because he feels he has made an agreement that there would be no heat put on anybody, that things would be quiet for a while and there have been nothing but stories.

S: Yes, well this of course I don't blame him on that.

K: Well, you ask the Secretary because he was present on one occasion. At the last Plenary session we had in the presence of the Secretary. He said there was an AP story - you remember that. He said disregard that AP story, he said I will take care of that as soon as I get back.

S: Well, I am going to report to the Secretary frankly what I know; namely the memorandum is on his desk and I am going to tell him that Chris Von Hollen talked to Ben Wells. But Henry, all I want you to know is (a) I didn't do it and (b) I have revealed our conversation to nobody.

- 3 -

K: Well, could you keep it that way?

S: Absolutely, it is very essential for obvious reasons because it will be embarrassing to you and to me.

K: It will be embarrassing to literally every key figure. Look Joe I consider you one of the great assets in State. I am trying to preserve you, I am not trying to

S: Well, Henry if the President in any way thinks that I leaked it.

K: The President doesn't know.

S: Please tell him, will you because I am so disturbed frankly I really want to wrap things up and

K: Well, may I tell him that you talked to me and that you were deeply upset and you are taking steps in your shop to stop it.

S: And tell him specifically where it is. He might as well know it.

K: Right.

S: OK, thank you very much.

K: But don't you worry about it.

S: Alright, thank you very much Henry.

K: Right.

DECLASSIFIED

MWO E0 12958

Authority

By ____ NARA Date 6/1/04

Re: [insert telephone number here]

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/13/84

TELCOM

Amb. Rabin/Kissinger

10:20 a.m.

3/6/72

R: Allow me to congratulate you on your success there.

K: You don't know it was a success.

R: Even if all I know it's by itself sufficient.

K: I think it was successful.

R: The opinion here was satisfactory ? ? ? ?. They wouldn't say to you but Frankel spoke with me and very impressive.

K: He is very sharp and wrote good articles. I didn't talk with him so I don't know his view.

R: I didn't realize a point. He said psychology here the trend was disengagement and by the visit the way it was projected back here psychology it psychologically it has stopped in a way the trends of disengagements.

K: That's interesting.

R: I think it's important.

K: I had a talk last week to discuss with you. It concerned the trip but was also on your problem.

R: I am ready.

K: I will call before 4:00 end of the day and suggest a time.

R: I am leaving at 5:00 and coming back tomorrow afternoon. Going to Alabama.

K: You would like to meet today.

R: If we can make it before 3:00.

K: 3:00 today. I would like to meet alone. Just you and me. The usual place. Do it at 3:00.

OCLASSIFIED

E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

~~It appears there is no telephone office~~
~~in New York City~~ conditional
~~Precautionary Step!

TELCOM

Sol Hurok/Kissinger

12:45 pm

3/6/72

By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/12/72

H: What is the exact date because I have to talk with my artists.

K: End of May.

H: 28-29?

K: In that period.

H: Thank you. Anything else I can do?

K: I appreciate your telegram and you interest and I will keep in touch x with you.

H: Anything you want I will come to Washington.

K: After I have dug out a bit why don't you do that?

H: I will come down.

The President's Office has the open line to the State and the press. Please call ahead.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.L. / NASA Date: 5/12/84

TELCOM
President/Kissinger
1:21 pm 3/6/72

P: You say you have to have this memo right away? I am looking at it and want to modify it. You said 1:00.

K: Not that urgent. Early in the afternoon because there may be a press conference tomorrow.

P: Isn't he going to appear before the committee?

K: That's executive.

P: It's all right for him to have a press conference.

K: So we thought it would be helpful over there this afternoon so it can be used in preparation.

P: I think we can get it over.

K: 2:30 or 3:00.

P: I will work on it. You don't think the Chinese Ambassador thing is pushing too hard?

K: Not doing it -- he has already gotten Anna Chennault -- would be bad.

P: You and I. Are you seeing him after?

K: I have seen him.

P: I will say ? ? ? ? . Pass that on. I have Romney at 3:00.

K: 4:00?

P: 4:30. Tell him he is not to come over here -- say I am busy. Tell him not to walk out to the press afterwards. Say I don't see Ambassadors but because of friendship I would like him to say hello.

The President's Office
The Senior Staff
The Executive Staff

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM
President/Kissinger
1:33 pm 3/6/72

P: You don't want to refer -- arrival remarks at Andrews. What does that do for Rogers?

K: Stay within foreign frame work of remarks. Within framework and not refer only.

P: Refer to your backgrounder?

K: I am very afraid it will be published.

P: I mean in Shanghai.

K: I think it will be too wounding.

P: I just wanted to know why you left it out.

September 12, 1972

U.S. Air Force

Mac Bundy/Kissinger

4:20 pm

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12930, Sept. 3.6

By: KML NASA, Date: 5/12/72

TELCON

Mac Bundy/Kissinger

4:20 pm

3/6/72

B: How's your health?

K: Fine.

B: Fantastic expedition. You don't have a minute tomorrow?

K: You in town?

B: See you again Coming to see Cong. W. Patman.

K: How about 11:00?

B: Perfect.

K: It can slip to 11:30.

B: Any chance of making the Maxx Japanese meeting?

K: I don't think it's possible now. Run into Moscow.

B: Anyone to suggest? Elliot?

K: I think he is superb.

B: Boss give him a push in that direction?

K: He would welcome a chance to talk on foreign policy.

B: I will gox bring the details with me and you can ask him about it. Otherwise I would like to listen to you.

Re: [illegible text] in the upper left corner
of the Sheet 1 of a double-sided
Pilotograph.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12990, Sect. 3.6

By: KHLW NAFU Dated: 5/12/04

TELCON

The President/Mr. Kissinger

8:25 p.m., March 6, 1972

President -- entered conversation
late.]

K: What happened was there is a relationship for this reason, not what we said publicly last week. clearance for Le Duc Tho to come through China.

P: But not that soon.

K: It would make us vulnerable to the Russians. Public statements last week may have added 20% to that. Will announce this Friday what the public channel is.

D: They are playing the game.

K: The striking thing is -- I said to Haig the striking thing is how eager they are to maintain it despite everything.

P: Statement made by ____.

K: An official State Department spokesman.

P: Can we pass it on to Rogers?

K: Yeah. I can call him in the morning.

P: Call him and tell him that we got this message that expressed concern about tying this message . . . . . . .

K: They agreed to the channel. They did it in the most conciliatory tone.

P: Tell Rogers about it.

K: We have really got to watch it. . . . . contributed to the other delay. The other thing will come in handy whenever it happens.

P: We could use it in April.

K: I don't think we should make another troop withdrawal announcement . . . . . .

P: Make it a little late.

K: And make it one month at a time.

P: We normally would make it April 15th.

["It is not known at the request of any one what the purpose of this telephone call is for, nor is it known what the purpose of the call is.", "DECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6", "By: K.H. W. NASHA, Date: 5/12/94", "TELCONE\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger", "8:40 p.m., March 6, 1972", "P: With regard to this visit we had today, you think he will behave all right do you?", "K: Oh, yeah. It is not in their interest.", "P: I just reaffirmed what I have already said.", "K: And, of course, friendship. And also he probably is going to get the idea they would be very well advised to discontinue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

H. P. Lovecraft, Theurgia, and Other Works
1st Mar. 1958, Sept. 3-6
Posterscript

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3-6

TELCORN
Amb. Sullivan/Kissinger

9:20 a.m.

3/7/72

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/13/72

S: Porter is chaffing at the bit to tell French that he will not have meeting and wants to put it off. You have a cable acqueising in schedule.

K: That's fine. All right with you?

S: We have no schedule. We don't want to tie in resuming talks to POWs.

K: That's right.

S: Bhutto has just recognized Hanoi. We are sending out a telegram saying he should do the same with Saigon.

K: The interesting thing is not why we drove the Indians towards the Soviet Union but Pakistan. It reflects power in the subcontinent.

S: You see the (Bangla Desh Communique ?) with the Soviets? It gave them everything. Aid agreements in there.

K: Limit us?

S: Sovi et interest in treaty and ? ? ? ?. Moscow thinks it's pretty one-sided communique.

K: We will have to stay cool.

S: On that cable you have over there, you have no problem?

K: No. Did you send out a cable that the President worked on?

S: Lon Nol is in Kompong Som. Too late for Green to take it down there so leaving it for Swank to do it.

K: Maybe Holdrige can take it down. Where are they going now?

S: Vientiene and now Bangkok.

K: Let's see if we can get it delivered.

S: Coby could go to Kompong Som.

K: I think it should be delivered in the next 24 hours.

S: Then I will ask Coby to take it down.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

The President's Office
To the Order of the Republic
Publicity Staff

By: V.M. V.

NASA Date: 5/13/64

TELECON
Peter Flanigan

3/7/72 9:25 a.m.

F: Council on International Economic Policy. We need a good subject to play it around. I would like to have, if you agree, it be around the scenario for Moscow in that it involves Treasury, Commerce . . .

K: That's fine with me Peter, but remember you are too honorable. I never tell the bureaucracy anything I don't want them to do. There's no sense discussing theoretical things with them because they will consider it a charter. But Can I see the scenario?

F: Every word of it we are going to use for you or your staff to look over.

K: Good Peter, you are a pleasure to do business with.

["The President's Office\nThe State of Illinois\nDepartment of Public Service", "CLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6", "TELCONE\"\nAlton Marshall/Kissinger", "11:22 a.m. 3/7/82", "M: So proud of you, I can't stand it. We can say we knew x him when.", "K: I have a problem with my friends up there. They have ~~bought a place~~ for their mission.", "M: They made a bid.", "K: For the Lincoln Motor Inn. This is between us. They are going to close that deal. They are told they have to wait two months to move in and can't stand the hotel Roosevelt much longer. They hear there's some way of expediting that and come to me. Can you get some lawyers on that?", "M: I only have a few. The guy who was working with them left me on the 15th. I will find out from him what this means. Are you free to talk? The man I assigned to help your friends had another contact from an official agency suggesting that x_x_x_x_x_x_x_x_x_x_x_x_x_x

Re: meeting of the House of Representatives
of the United States of America
and of its committees
and of the Senate

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

TELCONE
Gerard Smith/Kissinger

3:00 pm

3/7/72

By: KHLW NAVA Date: 5/13/72

S: In two executive sessions with committees when I was asked about interim agreement I have said it was plan to have interim agreement sent to both Houses.

K: That's correct.

S: I have to appear tomorrow before House Foreign Affairs Committee on my organization. Can I be allowed to say the same thing in open session? It seems to be accepted. There's a little snafu. After I spoke with Fulbright's Committee he said he was stating it would be a treaty.

K: That's wrong.

S: I don't know. No harm I see if said openly.

K: I see no problem.

OCLASSIFIED

E.O 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW NAFU, Date: 5/12/04

TELCORN

Mr. Kissinger/Secretary Connally

3/7/72 6:25 p.m.

JC: Have you seen the evening paper?

HAK: I have.

JC: I just wanted to call your attention to it.

HAK: It supports what you have said.

JC: I think that is just an opening.

HAK: Doesn't even make a point of substance.

JC: All right, I am just trying to stay alert.

HAK: It kills you when you see me getting publicity. It takes two to fight.

JC: That last line is a good one.

HAK: I didn't read all of it--just a couple of the paragraphs

JC: ... switch jobs

HAK: This impresses me very little, of the people who try to make a point. I will read it over again.

H. W. World, the earth is round
and the sun is a condensate
Mars is round

By: K.L.S. NAVA Date: 5/13/04

TELCOM
Mr. Gibbons/Mr. Kissinger

3/7/72 6:30 p.m.

HG: Looks like you had a beautiful trip.

HAK: It was terrific.

HG: I have a firm date for leaving--I am scheduled to leave this
coming Sunday.

HAK: Do you want to come through here?

HG: Yes, to get a briefing from you.

HAK: Where can you be reached tomorrow?

HG: In St. Louis, 289-2222. I am available Thursday, Friday
or Saturday.

you
HAK: Okay, we will give you a call tomorrow. I will get/in touch
with some of my experts and I will also want to say some things to you.

HG: All right. Set the appointment up as early as you can.

Re: a phone call with a friend in Chicago
about some of his recent experiences
in Chicago, Ill.

TELCON
McGregor/Kissinger

6:32 pm

3/7/82

NASHA, Data 5/13/04

K: Are you setting up those meetings with committees?

M: We have a hold on Blair House Mar. 27 and 29.

K: Isn't that late?

M: First dates we could get.

K: From them or me?

M: Blair House. After Rogers --

K: Do committees know wdx that?

M: Not yet.

K: We have to get it going because they have cranked up another campaign against me.

M: You wanted to wait until after Rogers.

K: Doing it myself but not that I was available. Anytime this week.

M: You wanted Rogers to report.

K: That's this Wed.

M: We will try to bump someone else.

K: We offered to these committees. Before all hell breaks loose.

M: If we can't get Blair House we will do it in another forum.

K: ? ? ? ? ? we would have time. But with this article in the Star today I will not hold still for one of these chopping exercises.

M: We will have tdx it somewhere lese. MY home or anywhere.

K: As it is, I will be reacting to a news story.

M: tdx When I said as far as I knew that Morgan and Fulbright didn't know of informal sessions. I will check with Timmons and see. Are you in your office?

K: Yes, for 10-15 minutes.

The president of the republic is the
President of the United States

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLV NASA Date: 5/13/04

TELCOM
Senator Fullbright/Mr. Kissinger
3/7/72 6:45 p.m.

SF: I have been laid up.

HAK: I had it for a couple of weeks, and was very weak afterwards.

SF: You probably brought it back from China.

HAK: Well, everything that goes wrong is my fault. After we came back from China, I talked with the President about your concern about my exemption to appear before committees. He stated that He stated that given the odd circumstances I have operated under-- in Vietnam and China--, it would be useful to give me more exposure-- however, he feels he must protect future presidents' right for exemption of advisors to appear. So, we have decided that maybe it would be good to meet any time you say on neutral grounds--say the Blair House--so the President could say he is not going against that privilege for future presidents.

SF: That is progress, particularly so we can keep a record.

HAK: And you could conduct it in any way you wished--you would tell us a meeting was appropriate and we would extend the invitation and do it at the Blair House, so future presidents with different system could maintain the claim of executive privilege.

SF: You statement the other day before you left, should be elaborated on.

HAK: I would be delighted to do it. It is just this constitutional thing of doing it in the right way. We will do it any way that you would want.

SF: That is a good suggestion--I will talk it over with my senior colleagues. How are you feeling? I have felt horrible today.

HAK: I went through the same thing. It came right back--take care of yourself. If you would like to have lunch --just you and me--I would be glad to come up.

SF: I appreciate it very much--I will call you if you like.

HAK: Why don't you call when you get back to the office?

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.5

~~11:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.~~
~~Mon, Dec. 7~~ of 1972
~~Preceding Day~~

6/7 KH.W. NASA Date 5/12/72

TELCON
Gerard Smith/Kissinge
9:42 am 3/8/72

S: Commitment to committee at 2:00. Do you think we will be through by 1:00?

K: 12:30. We will take up ABM and MARK and other positions on Friday. I think we will be finished by 12:45.

S: Sounds good.

["H. J. S. H. J. S. H. J. S. H. J

["H. J. M. S. H. E. A. S. H. E. A. S. H

The President's Office of the Vice President

Receives 12:00 a.m. daily.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.1

TELECON
Secretary Rogers
3/8/72 2:55 p.m.

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/12/04

R: I agree with Dean Rusk -- some time it would be good to do a short TV thing for editorial television.

K: Yes, he asked me to-do it and I begged off.

R: I would like to say something that has a little interest. I know the President is concerned. You know when I talked to the Foreign Minister about . . . they thought we required fingerprints on visas and I picked up a phone and got the answer in about 10 minutes. That shouldn't cause any objections, should it? It's an interesting human interest story. Just an innocuous little thing. It shows how misunderstandings can be cleared up. What do you think?

K: It's okay, especially if you told him you might use it.

R: We ought to have a meeting with Watson when he gets back. My thought was to call him on the phone. I didn't think he wouldn't even tell him what it's about.

K: Much better, much better.

Request for re-evaluation of
the use of red ink in a document
of a confidential nature

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/13/04

-2-

T: Yes I do.

P: How do you feel about Cambodia?

T: It is a holding operation. We can't lose.

P: And the South Vietnamese?

T: The South Vietnamese are doing as well as can be expected.

P: Why don't you think the North Vietnamese will launch an attack?

T: I think it is running as good as they wish. It has been pre-empted on ground action.

P: I think, too, it may be that we have given them a couple. . .

T: Well, you have been doing some pretty heavy stuff there.

P: Yes, but we had the military to do it.

T: Yes.

P: We are grateful and on your next trip I would like to see you and your Australian friend.

T: Thank you, Mr. President.

room.

hour.

for your continued
a chance to see you
until we come toward the end of it.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

The President has called the meeting to order.

TelCon:4:50-3/8/72

Mr. Kissinger/
Senator Fulbright

6/14/72

NARA. Dated 5/13/04

F: Hello Henry.

K: Mr. Chairman, how do you feel today?

F: I feel better today. I was feeling just awful yesterday. I took so many pills I had an awful stomach ache. I talked to Aiken yesterday and he is very pleased with it... and he will accept a record and the reporters who have top secret clearance. Is that right?

K: Yes.

F: I talked to him about dates - the earliest dates are the 21st or the 22nd. He is going to be tied up all week and I will be out of town.

K: We can do it to suit your convenience. We were thinking of getting the Blair House - to extend the invitation. What time would you prefer?

F: 5:30 or 6 o'clock we were thinking about.

K: What about 4, 4:30, 5 or 6 o'clock, whatever time would suit you.

F: Well we were thinking about it being later - the reason being we have invited the Prime Minister of Turkey to come in at 4 o'clock on the 22nd.

K: I may be on vacation that week. May I get in touch with your office and arrange a convenient date. If I am on vacation, then I will do it the following week, if that is all right with you.

F: Aiken is the only one I talked to and the rest of them will have to take their chances on the 21st or the 22nd. If not, the following week will be alright with me. Next week Aiken is booked up and I will be out of town.

K: I think you should call both be there and I will call you within 24hours and we will fix a mutually convenient time.

F: Fine, if you are free for lunch on Friday - that is the only day I will be free.

K: Good. I do not have a luncheon date that day.

F: Where shall we meet?

K: I will be glad to come up there or if you would like to come here.

The President's Office of the Vice President
for Academic Affairs
and the President's
Executive Staff

By: K.M. L. / NASA Date: 5/13/04

F: We have the State Department (?) hearings that morning and in the afternoon. Yes, if you could come here. We will have it in my office.

K: I will go up there.

F: If we have lunch outside we will have people talking to you every two minutes.

K: I will be there at 1 o'clock.

F: Yes, that will be fine.

K: I will be there at 1 o'clock on Friday in your office and maybe then we can fix a time there

F: That will be fine.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority: Folsom
By: NARA Date: 6-01

TELCORN

Ambassador Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

8:50 p.m., March 8, 1972

D: We also celebrated second week after today or tomorrow. We celebrated our 30th anniversary of our marriage, my wife and I.

K: Isn't that terrific; isn't that terrific!

D: That's why ....

K: That's terrific! I was thinking of getting the FBI to look for you.

D: 30 years is something.

K: Isn't that terrific! That's more than I will ever make in a marriage.

D: Got a message for the Ambassador?

K: What I was going to ask you about has been overcome by events. The President had been thinking of having a press conference unscheduled tomorrow. On that basis, he wondered whether you would object if he gave the date for the start of the visit?

D: The date?

K: It doesn't make any difference now because he has cancelled it -- the press conference. If at the press conference he could say the visit would start on May 22?

D: I see no specific objection.

K: The point is there is no press conference tomorrow.

D: It doesn't make any difference to us.

K: The thing is, just ask them informally next week. If you could let me have an answer by next week.

D: I will check tomorrow. He has not --

K: He has cancelled.

D: I will ask them.

K: There is no hurry about it now.

The President's Office of the Vice President
Date: March 8, 1972
Re: Ambassador Dobrynin

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.V
NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM

8:50 p.m., March 8, 1972

D: That's why ....

D: 30 years is something.

D: The date?

K: He has cancelled.

D: I will ask them.

TELECON

Stewart Alsop

3/9/72 12:28 p.m.

K: Stu, how are you? I wanted to correct one thing mentioned to you the other day when we met. There is a State Department memo in a half-assed way which makes the point you mentioned. It's entirely in the context of the Warsaw Discussions -- never in the context of a major American initiative.

A: On the U.S. mission to Peking?

K: I think I said there was no such document. We've been searching the files and there is a document.

A: In Warsaw they said they would be willing to receive a mission?

K: We were just talking to them. It was a big deal at that time. Since they didn't know what else we were doing they thought it had to be sold to us.

A: I wasn't completely lied to?

K: You were lied to in substance. A second thing, I think it's out of order... If I could keep you from this damn attack on Rogers.

A: I am not attacking Rogers.

K: You did on Spectrum yesterday.

A: I said he was an able and intelligent man but ghostly.

K: Somebody gave me a transcript of it. Really at this stage it harms the nation's business, but I know that isn't your principal objective.

A: (A) I doubt if it does; (B) I need to talk about what interests the people. It is the situation in which he finds himself. I don't think it was an attack on him. I have been here for 25 years and I have written about many people in those positions.

K: I don't think his position is quite as weak as you say.

A: Every time you go to a cocktail party there is speculation of who will replace Bill Rogers. When universally it is assumed that a man will get out, he gets out. I think he will stay until after the election. I am afraid on that issue I have to make my own judgments.

K: On every issue I have discussed with you you have made your own judgments.

*

TELECON

Stewart Alsop

3/9/72 12:28 p.m. p. 2

A: Did you see the Clayton Fritchey piece?

K: When did it appear?

A: The Washington Post made a big play of it. (A) He's valuable; but (B) he's on the way out.

K: When did it appear?

A: The article appeared last Saturday in the New York Post. He was somewhat critical of you.

K: If he is critical of me he's grossly unfair. It's another example of the biased press. But I thought in fairness I had to straighten out the other point.

A: Okay, thank you Henry.

H. J. Kissinger, Jr., the open line to
the President, and a confidential
PRESIDENT'S OFFICE

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KMLW NARA. Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM

Rogers/Kissinger

2:38 pm

3/9/72

K: I thought your press conference went very well. I don't know how the testimony went this morning.

R: Well.

K: We have heard from the Chinese on place they want contacts. They want it in Paris where they were before and makes secret channel open. We are announcing it here Friday, low key, and say further details handled by State. You might consider whether Watson should come back so you can talk with him on how you want to handle it.

R: He is a good man.

K: And their ambassador there is good. Only ambassador they have that's member of central committee.

R: I will have Watson come back.

K: We will announce it Friday. Not written. [Autograph] Zeigler make it at press briefing. Say this is where details will be discussed and this is all we will say and State will have the rest.

U.S. Air Force
Nuclear Warhead

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCON

Max Frankel/Kissinger

2:45 pm

3/9/72

F: Sorry to bother you.

K: You figured it out. No. Do you think I could go to Moscow with everything that's going on in this town now?

F: No. It would make good sense. Not politically and image but in substance.

K: Image and political ______ would be overwhelming unless someone wants to send me as Ambassador.

F: Have you got any meetings scheduled? Ric Smith picked this up.

K: He is wrong. ______ Even if it were desirable it could not be used.

F: I hear they patted Rogers on the head and saying such a nice guy and didn't ask about Chinese and Russians. 90% of questions on Radio Free Europe.

K: Public hearing?

F: Yes. It's disgusting. They complain and that's all they do. Any new on contact point?

K: In a week.

F: So we are not wrong to check into this guy in Canada.

K: I wouldn't play that. I wouldn't stick too much on that.

F: I appreciate that.

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TELCOM
R. Zeigler/Kissinger

3:50 pm

3/9/72

By: KMLN NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: I want to be sure you check with the Departments every morning on China stuff so they don't put anything out.

Z: OK. We had a rash of stuff on Lockheed and wheat and crap. I talked with Al, no substance of talks but shot down Lockheed and said what Secy. said yesterday no agreement on wheat. Pierpoints asked ? ? ? ? ?. I said US <u>kliff</u> lifted trade barriers a few months ago and trade barriers are not here but PRC. As we work it out these exchanged will develop.

Zeigler called right back

Z: (AP?) doing a 3-4 part series on you and want to talk with your mother.

K: No.

Z: She said it would have to be checked with you.

K: She is a menace. I have an 85 year old child for a father. He is naive on what they will write. He will tell everything about my youth.

Z: She said Henry has to okay it.

K: I let them photograph them and she gave them a baby pictures of me that made me look like a mongoloid idigt. I am very fond of them but they are completely grounded.

Z: I will tell AP.

The President's Office of the Vice President for Academic Affairs
The University of Texas at Austin
Reproduced with permission

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

TELCOM
Gerard Smith/Kissinger

4:45 pm

x 3/10/72 3/9/72

S: Two things. If any serious disposition to go to high level concept I would like a chance to argue case against it. Rather than NSC that would last an hour.

K: Thing I suggested yesterday was I don't believe there was a serious intention to go to high level concept if American proposal but as I understand meeting yesterday, there was a possibility for going two for two.

S: If you want to go two for two it can be on basis of low levels. Small number of interceptors.

K: In 4 marks not as missile field but if 15 or 20 it will be sense but 100 for 50 missiles, you wonder. Even one radar for each missile you wonder.

S: 15 interceptors per radar.

K: If you have a level of 150 with 50 in a missile field then logical for radars.

S: And that's a mark concept. So if you go to ? ? ? ? you are in hard defense contract.

K: I think I can persuade the President -- dropping my role as traffic cop -- I believe with your idea on Hearside. I didn't focus until yesterday on Hearside and going 2 for 2.

S: That's not important. Use terminal precisely and get high level and qualitative limitations. We won't go into high level if it involves limitations.

K: If we adopt Hearside I will get you an appt. with the President. I reported yesterday to the President and on SLBM he is prepared to let you slip on completion date but not a freedom to mix idea.

S: He is right.

K: Can you keep your delegation under control? This is not a decision. Just a reaction. I think he will approve changing the date but not freedom to mix or changing soft pads.

S: I heard indirectly that the President would not want to sign biological convention.

K: You think that's wrong?

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The Hamilton Fish Armstrong
Channel, News and Commercial
Radio Station

By: K.H. Ly NASHUA, Okt 5/13/72

TELECON
Hamilton Fish Armstrong

3/10/72 10:30 a.m.

K: I'm sorry I couldn't get back to you yesterday.

A: You must be terribly busy.

K: I think what you should do . . . we are going to establish a formal channel today. Toward the end of next week you should send a letter there and ask to go and I think they will look at it favorably.

A: I don't want to just go -- I want to see him. Do you think it will do any good if I say . . .

K: Yes, but not till the end of next week for reasons I can't explain. But your name has been mentioned to them.

A: I may be coming to the point where I might have to give up that article. It looks pretty uncertain. I am not a bit interested in paying a visit just to look around.

K: I think he'll see you, but they never make a firm commitment like that.

A: Maybe I better abandon it. But if you think I should wait until next week I will.

K: They will never tell me flatly anything. But they go to compulsive lengths to show me they are moving at their own initiative. But it was mentioned and he knows.

A: Well, I'll wait till next week then.

H. J. Kissinger, the president of the Republic of Poland

TELCONE

Marvin Kalb/Kissinger

10:32 a.m. - 3/10/72

By: K.L. W. NARA, Date: 5/13/72

HAK: Marvin, how are you?

MK: Fine, Henry.

HAK: Yes, our people now are very favorable to it and we are thinking of perhaps the week of the 27th if that is agreeable to you.

MK: Week of March 27th. OK. That's fine as far as I'm concerned.

HAK: Now what they would like to do is have Ron Ziegler talk to you about format and general approach.

MK: That's fine. I think Ron will be talking to my production guy as well.

HAK: Would you mind talking to them? I talked to the President and Haldeman and they agreed in principle. What I would like is sort of day-to-day headline questions and questions of general approach, but if it is a very short term brief on foreign policy we will have to restrict that to certain issues. That's why you should talk to Ziegler.

MK: I can work that out with him.

John

HAK: This can be done with ease. I understand the issue so I think it can be done on a gentlemanly basis.

MK: I will do this. I will get through to my guy and John, of course, will talk to Ron and look towards the week of the 27th.

HAK: Good Marvin. Thank you so much.

H. W. SHERMAN
UNITED STATES
SENATE
CONFERENCE OF
COMMITTEES

By: KHLW
NASHA, Date: 5/13/72

TELCONE

Dr. Roy Menninger/Kissinger

11:50 a.m. - 3/10/72

M: Mr. Kissinger, I don't know whether you got a message from New York that I regretfully had to cancel out on cocktails for Saturday partly because I don't want the risk of becoming a statistic.

K: Yes, I did get the word. I understand that.

M: I thought it the better part of wisdom. I am going to be in Washington during the week of March 20th and I thought if there was any possibility...

K: Unfortunately I am going to take a vacation the week of March 20th. The week after I will be in Washington.

M: You will be in Washington the week after the 20th. I imagine a vacation is well deserved at this point.

K: Well, I don't know whether I can handle it - not having the phone ringing all the time.

M: Fortunately, I disclaim responsibility since I share the same problem. Well, that week isn't so hot then.

K: The week after would be better. Or, are you going to be in Washington during the week of the 2nd of April.

M: I will probably be there the better part of that week. Would the more appropriate thing to do be to have my secretary drop your secretary a note as to just when I'll be there?

K: Yes, well I will definitely arrange to see you.

M: I would welcome the opportunity.

K: So I will see you either the last week of March or the first week of April.

M: Whom should she call to make specific arrangements?

K: Well, the best would be to call Coleman Hicks who is my assistant and makes the appointments.

M: OK, fine. And again my apologies for confusing your schedule.

The President's Office in the Department of Defense

Publicity Statement?

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.V. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCONE

George Ball/Kissinger

11:35 a.m. - 3/10/72

K: George.

B: I am going out to Japan at the end of this month on something for strategic study. I got a call from Ushiba last week saying the government learned I was going to be there and Sato wanted me to spend sometime with the ______; maybe 4 or 5 days.

K: I see.

B: I told him not 4 or 5 days but perhaps a couple. I now find out they are setting up appointments with Sato, Fukuda, the Foreign Minister and so on. Before I do this I would like to talk with someone.

K: Well, first I would like to talk to you and then you should talk to some of my associates. When are you coming down?

B: Next week. The following week I'll be in Japan. Tuesday would be the best time, if there is any chance of that. Or Monday afternoon.

K: Tuesday is bad for me.

B: Monday afternoon or Wednesday morning?

K: Let's do it Monday afternoon. How about 5:30?

B: 5:30. I'll see you then.

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is the case, or not?

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E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KMLV NARA Date: 5/13/04

TELCOM

Senator Scott/Kissinger

12:25 p.m. - 3/10/72

S: Henry.

K: Hugh, how are you?

S: We've got some problems on planning on the China trip that are pressing on us each day, mostly on timing. You are aware we asked for an appointment with the President last Friday for anytime this week.

K: What is the urgency? I don't understand.

S: The urgency is we are unable to make any plans on departure time and frankly, between you and me, I wanted to talk to you. It is Mansfield who is insisting on talking to the President.

K: But. . .

S: We have got a whole list of appointments tied up between now and July and we don't know which to cancel.

K: When do you want to go?

S: Anytime April 16th or thereafter. I have three top speeches between the 16th and 26th that I've got to do something about.

K: How long do you want to be there?

S: Three weeks. We would like to arrange to be in Shanghai for the International Trade Fair which closes May 15 and Mansfield has an itinerary he wants to pursue, which I am willing to go along with. It involves some cities you did not visit.

K: Let me say this - but don't tell this to the press because the Chinese are psychopathic about our doing these things on a government basis.

S: I haven't talked to the press. All we have said is we want to leave in July or earlier. I will tell you the problems if I can come down and talk to you this afternoon.

K: Let me call you early this afternoon.

S: The story is Mansfield would like to leave the 16th.

The President's Office in the Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C.
Reproducible Copy

CLASSIFIED
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By: JMLW NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: What is the next date?

S: The 27th of April. There are three things I would not like to cancel.

K: Well, we don't want you there when we are in Moscow.

S: We will be back 3 weeks from the 27th.

K: Can Mansfield do it on the 27th?

S: Yes. I want to be in ______ before the 16th of May; then return via Macao.

K: They won't like that.

S: Well, I have no great thoughts about it. Another question - transportation. I would hope that we would have government transportation. This is a request Mansfield wanted to make to the President.

K: That I will have to check with the President. Maybe to Hong Kong but they don't want an American plane flying around China so that I can tell you is out.

S: Well, we can either go in or out by Hong Kong. If not, we will have to do it by Shanghai.

K: Well, I am not sure they won't be agreeable to that but that is something I have to talk over.

S: And the President suggested we take our wives.

K: Let me talk to you about all this later. I will get back to you next week.

S: I think Mansfield is going to press to see the President.

K: We can work that out. Our biggest problem is the Chinese insist on moving at their own pace.

S: That's all right, but I don't think you understand about the appointments.

K: I understand. I will try to get you an answer but it will take at least a week.

TELCONE
Dobrynin/Kissinger

4:04 pm

3/10/72

K: I am seeing the German Ambassador on Monday so I recommend that you
don't pass this to Bonn before then. I will raise it on Monday.

D: On Monday I can send?

K: Wait until Wed. You can tell Brezhnev now.

D: I understand. Not send to Ambassador in Bonn.

K: The question you asked at the end where my reply was: *their* fear was exaggerated. This did not concern you but in a discussion they said you and we together were planning a dismemberment together with the Japanese. I said your fears are vastly exaggerated in this respect. So whatever comments were made as general discussion and not specific.

D: I understand. It will be useful.

K: Beyond that no reference in General. I wanted you to understand the circumstances.

D: In what context it was said, I understand, and it's important too. You will call tomorrow?

K: We will think in the morning. For afternoon. Or set time now. 2:30?

D: 2:30 unless I get a call it will be 2:30.

DECLASSIFIED
Authority: Eulalia
By: CNARA Date: 3/10/72

Re: phone tree in the report list

TELCONE

Amb. Rabin/Kissinger

5:15 p.m. - 3/10/72

By: KMLW NASA Date 5/12/72

R: You remember I told you about something that I will get.

K: Oh yes indeed. Do you have it?

R: I will get it tomorrow and it will be in the same format as the last time.

K: I understand.

R: And I was told it includes interesting elements. Then if it will be possible on Monday. . .

K: Yes, I must see you on Monday on both the things we discussed.

R: Then I will see you.

K: I will call your office and set a time.

R: It would be better if I come alone to discuss this and the second point we talked about.

K: Good. I will call you.

The President of the Republic of China

TELCONE

President/Kissinger

5:30 p.m. - 3/10/72

K: Mr. President.

P: Hi Henry, how did you get along with Fulbright?

K: Oh, it is really funny. He now says he would like to cooperate with the Administration. Incidentally, he was very unhappy about Rogers lines on the China trip.

P: He was smart enough to see that, was he?

K: Yes.

P: What did he say? How did he get at it?

K: He was telling me that from now on he wants to cooperate with us. We think he wants to make trouble for us, but he doesn't. He has given up on the Vietnam war. He wishes it had ended, but it is finished now. There is no sense worrying about it. But it might be necessary that we do some preparing.

P: Why is that?

K: I think it is possible they will attack in the next 10 days on the first, second and part of the third Corps.

P: We ought to start our preventive...

K: I think we ought to wait until they attack then blast the bejesus out of them. Then surface these talks again.

P: Yes, I agree.

K: I think we should clobber them in the North.

P: You understand the Chinese will take us on for that.

K: Well, we don't owe them anything. You know, Fulbright says the only Vietnam hearing he is planning on are the Pentagon papers and those don't hurt us, but he wants to hold China hearings which strongly support you. And after the summit in Russia, if all goes well, he will hold hearings supportive of that. He said the President has produced a revolution in foreign policy and the reason he wanted to see me was

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: KHLW NAVA Date: 5/12/04

because he wanted to tell me he was terribly concerned that we
didn't have any sense of where we were going, but now he does.
He says he thought they had a new vital society over there, but
when he heard Bill talk he made it sound like there is nothing
going on.

P: But he didn't believe Bill, did he?

K: No.

P: In other words he saw through it.

K: Yes, he said he believed much more what you and I had said about them being formidable people.

P: They are dedicated people.

K: And he said he would like to face what we are up against. He would like to have hearings in support of you and get Ross Terrill of Harvard, Whiting, who got us stamed and others.

P: That would be good. Hearings would be very good at this point. That would keep it alive without our doing so. I'm glad I called him on the phone the other day. I was so surprised. He said "Your trip was great." And you know coming from Fulbright that's something. You know Bill Rogers thinks he has Fulbright bamboozled.

K: Oh no. He was very unahppy with Bill's briefing.

P: Anything else new? Are you in New York?

K: No. As a matter of fact I'm seeing the Indian Ambassador.

P: Give him my worst.

K: No, they are coming along. One thing has come up. The Soviets have agreed we should announce the date of your visit. They proposed next Friday, but said they would do it next Thursday, if you prefer.

P: Let's tell them Thursday, it's a better date for us.

K: About 4?

The President's Office in the Senate
of the Republic of the Philippines

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: K.L.Y. NASA Date: 5/12/04

P: Three

K: Three, is fine.

P: Now did you get the word. I really think we should have this meeting with him. I won't talk long. And I'll have Ollie take a picture in the Map Room.

K: Good, that's what he wants. One other thing - Mansfield and Scott are crazy about going to China. They want to leave the 16th or 27th.

P: The Chinese will never approve it by that time.

K: Don't you think by our point of view the later the better.

P: Let me think. I think it's better to keep the China thing alive.

K: The advantage of the 16th is they would be back before we go to Moscow and we could get a reading from them.

P: Also, let's get Ford over there too.

K: Yes, that will be done.

P: I read on the way coming up that exchange with Mao. I didn't realize it, but that was really remarkable - what was said, what was covered, how much he said, how much I said. It will read very well historically.

K: That's why I sent it to you. It was a review of the whole week. It authorized success.

P: Right. Henry, I think we got to get this Russian thing under total discipline. I have got to talk to Bill and tell him the discipline has to be tight. The only one who should put anything out is me.

K: Well the State Department isn't running for election. We didn't have agreement on it until we moved last year.

P: That's right. Anyway, give the Indian Ambassador my best.

Re: [insert your name here]
Re: [insert your job title here]
Re: [insert your department name here]

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E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NAVAQ Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM

Gerard Smith/Kissinger

6:10 p.m. - 3/10/72

S: I was asked by Mr. Wolf of New York if I had been debriefed on the China trip. I said no, but I thought I would be advised if there was any arms control aspect to it at all. I saw some background press ______ in Christian Science Monitor, March 3rd entitled "Peking ______ Now in Arms Control Talks."

K: You know you have got more self-serving bastards running loose.

S: But if you did. . .

K: Yes, I did. My impression is they object to any arms control in which they would participate, but they are no longer screaming about SALT. In other words, anything involving limitation on their arms they refuse.

S: All right, and I suppose. . .

K: But on my previous visits they also objected to SALT.

S: But they have withdrawn that apparently.

K: They also have no interest in participating in the Geneva Conference and they don't want us to press them.

S: Yes.

K: Well, I don't want to say they have no interest. I wouldn't be surprised if one day they would be, but they don't want us to press them.

S: There was a story in the paper about my testimony which is not true. It said I asked for $4 million for machinery to supervise the arms control.

K: Oh yes I did see that.

S: What I asked for was a half million dollars to cover all negotiations including SALT.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority: E11258
By: CNARA Date: Stot

TELCOM

Dobrynin/Kissinger

6:15 p.m. - 3/10/72

(Came in after conversation started)

K: About what time are you going?

D: I will give you 10 or 15 minutes warning so to speak.

K: OK, then I will be gald to come. Do I have to wear a black tie?

D: No. No. No. I will call you 10 or 15 minutes before I will call your secretary, right? Around 10 I guess.

K: Well, I'll be here in any case.

D: I'll give you 15 minutes.

K: You are determined that I don't get any caviar.

D: Well, I could give you some to carry home.

K: How do you know that I wasn't going to say I am coming.

D: You can come.

K: No, I really cannot come. I must work. I have a lot of things to do.

D: Oh, but you are always welcome.

K: You made it clear I was invited. You couldn't have been clearer.

D: There will be a Japanese Ambassador here.

K: The Japanese Ambassador?

D: Yes.

K: I will be there. You call me 15 minutes before and it will be about 9:45?

D: Around 10. I will give you a call a half hour before.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority EOL258
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Clot

- 2 -

K: Now what I called you about was that announcement. Could we set it for Thursday the 16th.

D: I think so.

K: All right. Thursday, the 16th around 3:00. I am not sure the President will make it personally. If it is a press conference he will make it personally. We will give you our translation of our English text.

D: Good.

K: It will be only about 2 sentences. We will be asked about the length and we will say from 5 - 7 days.

D: I think you may say around a week.

K: I think that's better because that will give us plus or minus two days.

D: Good. So I will give you a call.

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The President's Office has received a telephone call from the White House. It is being returned by telephone.

TELCOM
D. Kraslow/Kissinger

6:57 pm 3/10/72

NASA Date 5/12/72

DK: Kkaxx Even before N. Johnson made the remark --

K: Who is he?

DK: FCC.

K: More horses asses in this town then the Kentuck Derby.

DK: Before decision was made to use Henry Kissinger --

K: I saw it printed. Ticker that businessman there.

DK: Before that I was told that before the President dekkx decided to send you as emissary there was an option to x use you or a private citizen of stature.
A Democrat.

K: HHH?

DK: I don't know. In March.

K: Believe me. Totally, utterly -- it's made from whole cloth.

DK: Never any thought?

K: Some thought given by us when overture received of sending someone not in government but no one approached.

DK: Anyone in particular?

K: No. We made only lists.

DK: Decision to send you was made in April and this was in arch.

K: Decision to send me was made in a week.

DK: I thought person who told me was well informed.

K: He is a liar. Doesn't have the whole picture.

DK: Democrat of stature who is close to WH who was involved in China.

K: Until we received message there was no concrete -- Nothing to operate on.

DK: Message didn't come through 3rd country intermediary.