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TELECON

Kurt Birrenbach

11/17/71 ca. 9:00 a.m.

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B: At 1:00 I leave here for a check-up at the Mayo Clinic, and will return next Tuesday or Wednesday. Now what can you do?

K: About what?

B: This ________.

K: It is one thing to promise it before he goes. . .

B: He will go on the 10th.

K: I know. It's impossible before.

B: But could you give him an oral message so he can say he has one and show that he is in contact with the White House. It should contain an invitation to come over, perhaps in January. But the point is this is to be given to the press.

K: Let me talk to the President. When do I have to give it to you?

B: I leave this morning at 12:30 to go to Mayo.

K: Where will you be staying there?

B: At the Hotel Kahler. I'll be there four or five days, so you can reach me always.

K: Right.

B: I had a long talk with Volker. I explained the situation to him and also explained the internal economic situation is much more complex, and not based on ________.

K: Do you have the impression he understood it?

B: I have the impression he did not want to understand it. We try to ________ within the limits of our abilities.

K: I don't now know that.

KK

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TELCORN
Amb. Taylou/Kissinger

10:02 a.m.

11/17/71

T: I was very upset by what impressed me as being an unworthy incident when we were together. Ken McCormick is my publisher of Doubleday. I told him I would get you advance proofs of Danielle Hunebell's book. I thought you would like it. I asked if he were publishing it. He called today and said no.

K: I appreciate it. It's an outrageous book.

T: Your description of it was enough for me. It was unworthy of her.

K: She gave it to Kay Graham and she thought it was too low for her to publish.

T: And that's going too far. That's the factor facts as I know them. Good luck every day.

K: It was a pleasure to meet you.

T: A pleasure to meet you too.

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TELCOM

Connally/Kissinger

11:05 a.m.

11/18/71

K: I have gone through this a thousand times. They shouldn't put you on first. It's not right.

C: Don't worry about that.

K: I want to mention the following to you. We have tried to set up a meeting with Pompidou. Last week he agreed, in the Azores. Now they are colluding with the British and says he cannot meet in the Azores unless a Group of Ten first. Cromer is waiting to see me, probably with the same message.

C: We will meet late this month or first of Dec.

K: Pompidou first said before the 4th when he is meeting with Brandt so he wouldn't have to face Brandt without an American position.

C: We can do it. On 30th or 1st.

K: It might help how I play Cromer. Not that his overture would make it but you had thought of it.

C: We also had already suggested 30th and 1st. We also suggested 7th and 8th but they have elections in Italy (the meeting will take place in Rome) on the 9th and they don't want us then because we use their resources instead of going out politiking.

K: So let's try for the 30th. See you tomorrow at 4:30.

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TELCON
Rabin/Kissinger

12:19 p.m. 11/18/71

R: I had a talk with Sisco. Two points I am glad about. In the last 24 hours he informed me he had a contact with Sadat and he reported that he stood for interim settlement. Memo of ___ Feb. Sisco said it was stiffening of Egypt's position and main effort will be to have Israel respond positively. Galab (?) wouldn't come so Riad will come. Second, he said what we know that 5 TU-16 was supplied to Egypt ___ at the beginning of this month. I think I told you we were told that Sadat asked.

K: I understood it.

R: It's not that they are 16. They carry air to surface missiles of one ton warhead which can be fired 18 nautical miles. They are having a settlement about it today. I said I welcomed such a statement.

K: We are?

R: State Dept. That there were deliveries of planes at the beginning of this month from Russians to Egypt. It's their problem to work the statement of the beginning of the week and end of the week. I will wait for the statement and I know what I will do. At that point I asked him about an answer to the visit. I notified him that Dayan would not come. I said these are my instructions. We do not make it public at the present because we have to give reason and we cannot give reason because you have not given an answer. He said there are some problems.

K: There are none.

R: The chances are 50-50.

K: Because he hasn't sent the paper in here yet.

R: Third, he cannot give an answer today and doesn't know when.

K: It's unbelievable.

R: I said Joe(I have given it to you 3 days ago. I said when can you give me an answer). She will come and is determined to come regardless of what you say. He explained today he made it clear to his superior this point too.

K: All right.

R: They are really fools to come today with a public statement on planes from Russians to Cairo when there is no other issue.

K: Mr. Ambassador, if I want to prevent every stupidity --

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Rabin/Kissinger

12:10 p.m. 11/18/71

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R: Not stupidity. I am waiting for this like a treasure.

K: OK.

R: So many people want to see me. I said tomorrow.

K: You ~~went~~ sent back a letter we discussed. I will use the departure of the other fellow as a delaying tactic. Dobrynin. As means of delaying couple of weeks.

R: Good. How long have I to wait for the visit?

K: It's locked. You can relax.

R: I don't want it to be leaked. No leaks on our part which is unusual for our government.

K: I cannot promise that State won't leak it.

R: That's all right. I want official confirmation through them. I cannot say now it's of concern because I said nothing to Joe.

K: Tomorrow I will demand that they ~~wx~~ send it over. By Monday I will have it approved. There are only so many games they can play with this request so Don't worry. nothing they can interfere with. If any question, I would tell you. Precisely because it is assured, there is no reason to let blood flow on a piece of paper that will be approved when it comes here.

R: If I have told people that Dayan would not come here. He was to speak to the ________. One in NY and one in L.A.

K: I will get it for you. The President has agreed to it.

R: Clear the blockage in the bureaucracy.

K: They can only play games so long.

R: Max Fisher heard from his friends here. That I saw you two days ago.

K: That's right.

R: He heard from him.

K: Do I told him. My friend.

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TELCOM
Rabin/Kissinger

12:10 p. m. 11/18/71

R: I see.

K: I will make sure it's handled more discretely.

R: I don't want to have everyone know.

K: I will be more careful.

R: Not with him. He must be more careful with the other guy.

K: He was seeing the President that day and I wanted him to know the situation.

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TELCONE
Shultz/Kissinger

11/18 12:11 p. m. 11/18/71

S: I had a discussion with Connally yesterday and gave him some materials I have given to Ken Dam. I notice we have a meeting tomorrow. I am more optimistic then I was before.

K: We need a proposal and a strategy for proceeding. The best idea is for them to come up with a proposal. The Europeans, through the intermediary with someone like Cromer who has standing with them. After we tell Cromer what we are willing to do. Can I see your paper?

S: Yes. I will send a copy. We have some Defense things. We should be doing. I will have a copy sent to you as soon as I receive it.

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TELCOM
President/Kissinger

12:47 p.m.

11/18/71

P: What happened on Kennedy thing?

K: He was tempted. He will let me know Monday.

P: You laid it out.

K: As you gave it to me. We are moving on these other dates.

P: I think it's a good plan and Wed. woul dbe good. That should be in the ball park.

K: The Portuguese side ______ we can move it fast enough.

P: State we will just roll over. They will do the meeting. We have to take the initiative.

K: For this last year what feelings are involved? He will be in the country.

It will be done that [illegible] President ______ done in the WH.

P: Sure.

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TELECON

Ambassador Watson on

11/18/71 3:55 p. m.

W: I just sent you a message.

K: I just sent you a message.

W: I don't get it.

K: I just sent a message to you.

W: Oh, you did? Well I'll stay at the office then. I heard on French radio that November 30 is the date.

K: Right.

W: Oh God bless you.

K: I would like you to tell your fellow there that the White House ordered this.

W: Okay, that's what I'll do.

K: And we would like you to lock the 13th and 14th.

W: Okay, that's terrific.

K: And then we would like you to respond to the questions we gave you.

W: You want that tonight?

K: No, opening of business tomorrow will be all right.

W: I can do it tonight; I don't have anything to do. We had this new fellow, Ebberly, and also Paul McCracken at my house tonight, And without any reference to anything at all over here. . . . I wanted to assure you I hadn't even hinted at it, and then I suddenly get the report on the ticker that it's been announced.

K: I sent you a cable that it's done.

W: You're terrific and KMXEXXX God I love to work for you!

K: That cable will be over as soon as my last secretary has read it for her edification.

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YELCON

Amb. Rabin/Kissinger

9:41 a.m. 11/19/71

K: We are going steady.

R: Sisco has run away from town.

K: What do you mean?

R: Not there today. Allow me to explain some politics in Israel. I might be the culprit of cancelling the Dayan visit, undermining the ______ because I put it on Dec. 11 at a big gathering when publications say he is coming. People in Israel are nervous.

K: When you deal with a super-advanced country you have to deal with complexities. It's agreed. I have talked to Mitchell and we have demanded that the paper be sent to us today. Relax about it.

R: Can I? I will be removed from this post.

K: I would have so many fewer telephone calls it would be a xx hole in my schedule. Have patience with the complexities with which things have to be managed. You can count on it. It is decided and approved. We have to have paper forwarded to us for official notification. We cannot spill blood but we have asked for it today.

R: After that we will talk about details and timing.

K: I am not sure what that will be.

R: I know. No date has been given to us. Let's talk about it --

K: I want to talk to you. I have a reply for some questions I put to the other side the other day.

R: I can come when you want.

K: Maybe tomorrow morning.

R: Whenever you want.

Kx: It's better about 5:00 today if that's possible. Or tomorrow morning.

K: I will call you. I want to keep you informed.

R: Thanks very much.

K: Don't worry about the appointment. That's all set.

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TELCOM
Sen. Mathias/Kissinger
10:10 a.m. 11/19/71

K: I read this resolution which you were kind enough to send over. I did not commit the WH to a position with respect to it.

M: I understand.

K: People say once it is introduced it opens it up to amendments again. If you are asking a substantive opinion it is responsive and helpful.

M: We will be tied up on the tax bill this week and next. We will not bring up military appropriations until the end of this bill. At this point strike (?) troop limitation. No possibility to substitute this language but if we have language we can say we will strike this and adopt that, we will have something to work on.

K: On the legislative side I will be a menace.

M: We might think of an effort to unveil it on the Senate as a private effort. Then it will be there and lying there and if the storm breaks we can say we will adopt that position.

K: If you do that I will not cry foul afterwards.

M: Then we will do that unless we have a change of signals.

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TELCOM

Amb. Bodgan/Kissinger

10:27 a.m.

11/19/71

B: We just wish to ask if you could give me an indication if we could get some reaction to my last meeting.

K: I told State to let you know. Let me check on that and I will let you know.

B: Through the State Dept.?

K: I will let you know who will let you know by the end of the day.

TELECON
The President

11/19/71 11:27am

P: How did the meeting go with him last night?

K: It was actually quite interesting. I was tough with him on Vietnam and his point was that they were pretty sure there would be no North Vietnamese offensive this year.

P: That's not enough.

K: I know. But this means no Tet-type attack.

P: That's good, but that's not enough.

K: And he said they urged acceptance of our proposition. I'm not sure that's true, but that's what he said.

P: All right.

K: On the Middle East he has now made two other propositions which moved the thing in a forward direction. He is going back to the Soviet Union now and won't be back for three weeks or so, so we don't have to make a decision now.

P: He knows we are working on it though.

K: Yes, and I told him, in reference to your seeing Golda Meir ... I connected it with our talks, which is not true.

P: I know, that's good.

K: I told him on SALT no final agreement would be reached until you get to Moscow.

P: So it was a good meeting then.

K: Very good meeting.

P: But I am thinking about this other proposition. You've got reports in Over the weekend would be the best time to do it.

K: Yes, but I have developed serious doubts about it. They have still got trucks in, so it's a good target, but these targets are right around Hanoi. The Senate is upset as it is and in two weeks they will be out of town. I know that you are willing to run great risks.

P: But it might ______ the bastards to do it.

K: That is true.

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TELECON
The President

11/19/71 11:27 a.m. p. 2

P: I also want to make the Tito trip credible.

K: I think if we haven't met in two weeks from now . . .

P: Then crack it. After the China announcement, that's fair enough.

K: After the China announcement and after the Senate is out of town. I
am really concerned about them.

P: It's really something. We are doing the best we can . . .

K: It's an unbelievable situation and it's a tribute to you your considering this.

P: We are going to do it. You know what we are considering, much more
than this. We will not allow this to go on. By the way, wasn't it Agnew who
was against the Ambassador in Singapore for some reason?

K: Yes.

P: Reagan said he's the best, and objected because we are moving him.

K: Really?

K P: Yes. Will you check that out? Reagan thought he was great and objected to our moving him. Make a note. Haig was there, you get the dope.

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TELCOM
Rogers/Kissinger

11:48 a. m.

11/19/71

K: I was just talking to the President and after your conversation with him you must have said something to him a few weeks ago about your concern about the monetary situation and he is concerned and he wants to have a meeting with the European leaders on an individual basis. To take some soundings. They should be followed up and moved into the Dept. We have this stiff and would like to turn it over to you. If you want me to do it it would have to wait. But Haig can do it right away.

R: In about half an hour.

TELECON
Ambassador Dob rynin

11/19/71 12:10 p. m.

D: Thank you very much for your book.

K: I don't know whether you should bring such a conservative book into the
Soviet Union.

D: I think I can.

K: Remember it was written in 1954.

D: It is a rather old subject, but it's still interesting. There was a time
when I was interested in that period.

K: One of your historians, Kwaslov (7) -- he once sent me the diplomatic
documents of that period from the Russian Foreign Office -- it was about 8
volumes. They were in French at the time.

D: Most of them.

K: So I could read them and did.

D: He is now in the Academy of Sciences section dealing with history.
If I see him . . .

K: Give him my best regards. We used to have long talks about Germany.
One thing I wanted to tell you about -- I had a talk with the President who is in
Key Biscayne this morning about our dinner. He asked me to reaffirm all that
I had said to you, that what I said to you reflected his thinking. The only
area in which I wanted to give you his precise inside thinking so that you would
know it had to do with Vietnam. I mentioned to him what we discussed, and
abbut the absence of an offensive action . . . and he said, and this is a direct
quote . . . the absence of one isn't enough. We have got to have some movement
on the Prisoners. If there should be any escalation by us on the scale of Laos
or Cambodia, that would not be done as a surprise to you.

D: I think it would be a surprise.

K: We would not do it . . . but what I'm saying is that we would give you some
indication that something of this magnitude was being prepared if it was.

D: . . .

K: This is consistent with what I told you.

D: I hope we are on the cautious side.

K: We will be restrained.

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TELECON

Amb. Dobrynin

11/19/71 12:10 p. m. p. 2

D: I will keep this in mind when I see them.

K: But he thought our discussion was on a positive course.

D: Thank you very much.

K: Have a good trip. I don't know whether I should wish you to get back early.

D: I hope to be there a month.

K: Then you will be back soon after the first?

D: Yes.

K: Then I would adjust any possible vacation plans I might have also.

D: Okay.

K: What we generally discussed yesterday was in the right area, but that is only for Breshnev.

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