DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By. NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCOM
Rogers/Kissinger

9:30 a.m.

12/23/70

R: I want to go over this case of understandings with you. I agree these two paragraphs would give rise to disputes but I don't think it will make much difference. They question the whole understanding. I think it's wordy. Do you have it there?

K: I have it in mind.

R: The first two paragraphs are fine. The last sentence of the second paragraph we were to delete I would like to keep in. "? ? ? ? ? ? ?" Then add part in the statement by Nov. 14 press conference and the statement by Clifford and then add part in "Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ?".

K: That's good. The only thing I suggest was that we list what we did. That sentence of Nov. 14 adds to it.

R: Any reservation about the Harriman, Vance one?

K: No, that's good.

R: Thank you. The coverage has been good. I hate to think what would have happened if we hadn't had the list.

K: A whole day of speculation. Fulbright at least handled it well.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TELCONE
Shultz/Kissinger

10:18 a.m. 12/23/70

K: I am studying the figures you gave me yesterday. When you have 75.5 is it a billion increase which includes the 600 million?

S: We ____ including it. 6/10 divided into two parts. 72 effect of the supplemental. The other 3/10 we do not have to show.

K: 3/10 in 75 points.

S: Wayne Smith is more familiar with it then I. You can choose items in the list that will come out to a different number.

K: I understand. I am just trying to get it into my head.

(HAK then called Smith. Smith said he thought it included the 600 million but he would have to check and call back. HAK said if it did, the 75.5 would then be a budget of 76.1.

Smith called back and said it includes 100 million so all the figures on paper are in fact 500 million dollars below what they should be.)

By. NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCONE
Rogers/Kissinger

10:21 am

12/2/70

R: I want to be sure I am sure on Cuba business. Ron Zeigler made
a statement the other day which I have in front of me. Through Haig you
conveyed the thought that the agreement was that they would not build a
base for nuclear carrying ______.

K: Nuclear submarines with offensive weapons in and from Cuba.

R: Have we said it before?

K: No and you don't need to say it. They have the paper which includes
it and they know how we interpret it. Don't confine it and leave it open.

R: I will stand on this what the WH said. When was it put out?

K: Monday. Don't elaborate it.

R: We are watching it carefully and there haven't been -- the President
said last night he thinks we should say there have been no construction
activities.

K: There has been some.

R: Very little. He was categorical and I don't want them to think something
else has happened.

K: No significant construction. The tender is back in port at Cienfuegos.

R: No significant construction. There's naval activity and we are watching
it carefully.

K: You could mention the tender.

R: It builds it.

K: I have no trouble with what you have said.

R: I will go with that.

By. NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon

Fred Russell

12/23/70 10:40 a.m.

R: We have out of a recent Under Secretaries Meeting come up with a new approach on the Micronesia matter and we are redrafting the paper for the inter-agency working group. We expect them to act favorably and it will then go to the Under Secretaries Committee and be in your hands in a short time. I understand that something is under way at the moment to appoint someone from the President's office to be a shr of Ambassador to Micronesia. I thought that if this paper got through maybe we should have that before.

K: The idea was to have a special negotiator

R: If you know something of the direction you prefer to take that might have bearing on whether you wanted to treat them as a foreign country.

K: I am content to wait till we get this through the Under Secretaries Committee.

R: Okay, fine.

K: Why don't we wait to see what that paper produces.

R: Okay, thank you very much.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCOM
Secy. Volpe/Kissinger
12k 10:42 am 12/23/70

V: The reason I called -- you are returning mine?

K: Yes.

V: I talked with Dwight Chapin awhile ago.

K: I am aware of it.

V: I am preparing a memo now. The highjacking was aborted. I will send the President a memo via you and Haldeman. The other thing is that before I released the report night before last on the Coast Guard situation, the Chairman of the ____ Committee, Hayes of Ohio, said he wanted these men before his committee but because of the investigation they hadn't come. I asked him to wait 36 hours to see what action is taken. He said fine. He did wait. In the afternoon I tried to call him personally but couldn't reach him so I had to ____ B. Bennett, my Congressional relations man, call. He left word(for the Congressman's assistant as neither of them was there.) I couldn't reach him that night either. I finally got him last night. He said he appreciated what I had done and probably would have done the same thing. But there were further points he wants to explore and would call them before him. I said for these men and families their lives and careers were ruined and I didn't see the reason or the gain. So he says he wants to be sure they are teaching Americanism at the Coast Guard Academy. I wanted to suggest (that he call the Commandant of the Coast Guard before his committee then but obviously I couldn't. These men have been in the service for over 30 years.) Then I talked with Morse and he says the same thing. He is not sure of ____ headquarters. I told him I hoped he wouldn't assist the Democratic chairman criticize us. He said no matter how you cut it, ??/??/???. I called Chuck who is very close to Brad and he was going to talk to Brad. These men may be hauled up there. The hearing is being called for Tues. That's pretty doggone un-Christian in this season to haul them up there, before TV cameras and all. I just wanted you to be aware of it.

K: Thank you.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN

Jos. Blatchford/Kissinger

11:20 a.m.

12/23/70

B: I guess you are calling back from a few days ago.

K: Right.

B: I wanted to mention something to you. We are in the midst of budget
review and there's a lot of talk of serious cutting back and it would stop
our new programs because some which I have talked with you about -- people
going overseas. If they cut back we could only do the on-going programs.
So I wrote up technical assistance through the Peace Corps which you said
that might get into the President and I did an 18 month report to him. If
he got these he might back a perspective which would go beyond OMB.
He might not realize we have new programs. He has endorsed these new
programs.

K: I will see that he gets this information.

By. NARA, Dale 5/26

TELCOM
B. Walters/Kissinger

11:36 am

12/23/70

K: I just wanted to call and say the interview came out very well. My father is delighted.

W: I did nothing the whole first day but stare at your chin to see how it aired. I think it was good for you and us. I understand there was a complaint to Ron Ziegler that you had done this and your time is so precious to the WH. Helen Thomas. I am her good friend but it's not personal. Why did TV get it and the journalists didn't. It's the same old thing. We take from UPI every day and I don't see why they should beupset taking from us once in a while.

K: I didn't hear about it. The interview was tactful and with great warmth. The only point I didn't fully appreciate was being compared to Martha Mitchell.

W: I understand she didn't like being compared to you either. What did you think about Hugh's comment?

K: It was predictable. I liked your reply better than his comment.

W: You would naturally. When I saw the play back I had called him naive which I wouldn't do on the air and it slipped out. Judith Christ of the Washingtonian sent me an article done on you in that. Did it upset you?

K: No because it was so nasty and unbelievable.

W: I am glad. It reminded me of NY magazine.

K: I don't pay attention to the Israelis because I don't pay attention to little countries. The whole thing was -- if you have to be attacked it's better this way than subtly.

W: It's a personal attack. Everyone praising you and so write a perfectly bitchy story.

K: We have to go through a period of that.

W: It's not an important magazine. Judy said it was on .

K: I like her writings. Does she live in Washington?

By. NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Hedley Donovan

12/23/70 11:45 a.m.

K: I thought you might like to know on a strictly personal
basis that I saw Dobrynin yesterday and asked what he thought of the
Khrushchev memoirs, whether then were authentic. He said he had no
question whether they were. His theory is that some Westerners had
tape recorders in their pockets while Khrushchev talked and he didn't
know they were being taped. I am not asking for confirmation -- if I
were I would ask directly, but I thought you might be interested. I will
tell you some time his interpretation of what he thinks happened to that
Kennedy quotation. But this is just for your information -- please don't
tell anybody. I am reading it with great fascination.

D: That is very interesting. Thank you for calling.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Rogers
12/23/70 2:45 p.m.

K: I thought your press conference came out extremely well -- I haven't read the transcript yet, but I read very extensive tickets and thought you handled it with subtlety and strength and without being bellicose.

R: I hope the President likes it.

K: If he doesn't like this, he's not easy to please. I'm just joking -- I know he'll like this.

R: We've gotten good reports from the press too.

K: It was positive, not bellicose, but also not cringing.

R: Thanks very much Henry. Are you getting time off for Christmas?

K: Yes, and I'm going with my kids to the West coast and to work on the annual report.

R: I hope you'll enjoy it with your children.

K: It's a good place to have them, close to Disneyland and all of those things.

R: Well, Merry Christmas.

K: Thank you and congratulations.

12/23/70 4:00 p.m.

K: I went over to tell the President how well I thought of it and he had already called you. But I have had a chance to talk now and read more passages. He was extremely pleased with it and he will probably call you himself.

R: I wasn't asked specifically about Fulbright, but I told McCloskey to fill the press in on what happened. Actually Fulbright came out looking good.

K: You said it was all a hoax and these people were acting in the national interest but it is clear a prudent man wouldn't have shot off his mouth. That was your best press conference if you don't mind my saying so.

R: The format is pretty good -- to have one subject at a time.

Telecon
Secretary Rogers

12/23/70 page 2

NARA, Date 5/26

K: And then they don't feel so frustrated either.

R: No, and on that. I was in a bit of a jam with an answer I gave because I sounded as if I was saying the understandings were no longer in effect. Fortunately because we were on the same subject the whole time Hightower asked that question and I was able to straighten it out. I said we continue in the understanding, but I don't see why we should be stuck forever with these understandings.

K: What I liked best and the President liked was when you said "If there are no understandings there are no restraints." The President mentioned to me the Ivanov case -- all he is concerned about is the Russians should be told before Christmas.

K: He told me that. I am meeting with Dobrynin tomorrow and I will tell him.

K: That's fine. He doesn't care about the time of the release; just the time of notifying Dobrynin that xxxxxx it will happen.

R: I've got him coming in tomorrow for that purpose. I'm going to try to keep it off the record because that's the purpose of my meeting with him.

K: Good. Marvelous.

R: Okay, thank you Henry.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELECON

Secretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger

2:47 p.m., December 23, 1970

L: Hello, Henry.

K: I am returning your call.

L: I talked to Al. Concerning the gunship thing, I gave him the figures on that. Hell, we use gunships in there before the raid and after the operation, and we gave the number of sorties. The information was over there on the daily report. That is our best asset in Cambodia.

K: I thought we agreed this morning if we do this operation, the only thing we will get a reward for is success.

L: We didn't hold back any gunships. Now, this other thing. The staff of the Bureau of the Budget and my staff -- Bob Moot -- went over those things. They are doing it. I sent you a memo which should be delivered shortly. The $1 billion and the $1-1/2 billion in the 1975 figure that you had there, they would have it absorbing Jordan, Lebanon and Cambodia.

K: That is over the $300 million?

L: They gave us $100 million in the add-on list, but had taken out the $300 million.

K: So it is a net... I get it.

L: I made that clear in the memo. Both of our staffs are in agreement. I told Bob to get it straight.

K: I am going to recommend to the President that he give you an extra net billion. How you handle that $500 million is a technical matter. I will then tell Shultz if he wants to argue with you about additions and subtractions as long as we agree on the figure, you can take care of yourself.

L: I can handle that. I wanted you to know. In the memo I make it very clear and it should be delivered in a few minutes. I say in the memo that our staffs have been together, and Shultz knows that.

lds

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TELCOM
Paul Nitze/Kissinger
4:07 pm 12/23/70

N: I thought I would call and say hello.

K: Hello. I can't make it this afternoon. Any chance tomorrow?

N: I have to go to the country with the kids. Unless first thing in the morning.

K: I have a bunch of peaceniks & coming in.

N: I am going to Aspen after Christmas for skiing. I will call after I get back.

K: One quick reaction. Leaving aside ABM is NCA the sensible system k or is ______ the better one?

N: I have some very complicated opinions on that. It's what I wanted to see you about. My view of the g thing is that this is time we should capitilize on the position we have built up.

K: What do you mean?

N: Going forward to get Congress to back the safeguard thing.

K: One rational for safe guard is that we are building one type and suggesting another type. I wonder if ? ? ? ?. Maybe you should come in in the morning.

N: I would like to give you my ideas.

K: Let me shift the 8:30 breakfast.

N: I will be there unless I hear to the contrary.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
George Shultz
12/23/70; 7:00 p.m.

K: On the Defense budget my view is -- if we can get a genuine 75.5 without the additions of MAP and the other one, that I think would be a responsible figure. In other words if we can go from 74.5 to 75.5. I understand that the basis on which you were operating. So with 600 it will be 76.1. On these items here is what I did -- I told Laird, if you agree, I showed him that chart. He started squealing. I said alright then it goes to the President. If George agrees to the basic figure I will support Shultz on the merits of the analysis.

S: I had carried over here a memo to you dated today from Mel Laird -- I got a copy.

K: I know. I did not see it yet.

S: It basically says we are glad to have increases -- that there is no cut of any kind allowed.

K: That he is doing to play his little game. I think we should give them guidance applied to this decision if it is a decision but subject to an appeal on individual items.

S: Can we go to the President tomorrow.

K: I will be prepared to.

S: Suppose I have C or K ______ come in and we ask to see him (President) as early in the morning as possible.

K: Except between 10:00 and 11:00 when I am giving a press briefing.

S: 9:00 would be okay.

K: How about 11:00?

S: Would be okay -- he has something tomorrow afternoon.

K: You fix it for 11:00. I think we should say -- I want to get clear -- my understanding is that this 75.5 only has 100 million of this MAP so there is a 500 increase that are in addition to and that are not included. What would be up to him would be that the composition of the increase not be the one that Defense recommends ____ be achieved through a combination of additional increase and further cuts. Is that right?

S: That's right.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
George Shultz
12/23/70; 7:00 p.m. - 2 -

you

K: I will support/on that.

S: Now we also have a question on intelligence and we need to talk to you on that. The President is pressing me on intelligence.

K: Can we skip the staff meeting tomorrow and meet.

S: Suits me fine.

K: How about 7:45 -- that gives me 45 minutes or 8:00.

S: I will have to get our troops in because I can't do this by myself.

K: I can't either.

S: What is your schedule tomorrow? When are you leaving for California.

K: I am leaving for New York tomorrow afternoon but I will be back Saturday morning.

S: Let me call Schlesinger and ask him to have his two people and his charts over here at about 8:00.

K: We will meet in your office or mine -- I don't care.

S: Doesn't make any difference -- I will bring them to your office.

K: Good, wonderful.

feg

By. NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCOM

Wicker/Kissinger

12:42 pm

12/24/70

W: I wondered if you felt free persuading what we said last night derived from your feeling that in recent weeks there were developments in Paris. Behavioral developments.

K: I don't want to encourage it. It's a 10% chance.

W: I am not clear on the conclusion.

K: That maybe they are looking the whole thing over again. Their first reaction to our proposal was brutal to make sure we had no hope. That's normal. Maybe they won't move until they have bopped (?) us one. ? ? ? ? ? NVN plus find us on our own ______.

W: So reports in the paper --

K: Less because substance of it means nothing. The fact that they are making it.

W: To be dx dictated (?) by you.

K: It may be.

W: Could I assume that you mean by that that the whole military situation ______ on limitations there are possibilities of negotiated way out.

K: Maybe but I am not suggesting we can beat them militarily and don't take their mix political interest into account.

W: What, if any, relationship could there be between this feeling you are felling here and what the Administration -- Rogers yesterday -- waying about the bombing. Or is there a relationship?

K: I don't want to speculate on that. They will lock themselves into another road. If you had seen me for an interview I dx wouldn't have gone as far as I did yesterday. We are talking dx about gut feeling and we have been wrong before.

W: Now that you have pointed it out dx there seems to be an element of logic.

K: You won't subscribe it to me. Whether you write it or not is your problem. What I gave you yesterday I did tell the President the same thing. Not based on intelligence. It's a gut feeling on how their mind may work,

W: No other explanation for semantic changes. Have a nice Christmas.

K: Same to you and a happy New Year.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Laird
12/24/70 1:05 p.m.

L: Three things: first... request to put a few more men in Phnom Penh. How should we do this? Through the regular channel? I have a request to put 10 members of a military equipment delivery team in Phnom Penh and then others that will be in Saigon on a TDY basis.

K: I will notify State that the President wants it done and they should do it. How many are there now?

L: Three.

K: Say the President authorized up to 15 or 20.

L: We want 10 now and later on up to 15 or 20. I will just put this through as a regular request with the Joint Chiefs' backup and send it to you.

K: All right.

L: Next item, anything on the fiscal guidance?

K: Yes. He approved the 75.5, a ________ billion increase plus five hundred. But he wants Schultz to get in touch with you on how it should be comprised.

L: I would like to do that as soon as I can. I will have to work the next few days on this. Is it all right if I call Schultz?

K: Sure, that is between you and him. He thought you wanted complete authority to do it all yourself.

L: No, I took 70 percent of their recommendations on that billion.

K: Then I don't think you have any problem with him.

L: The only thing I changed were his base closings and the B-1.

K: On the B-1 I am with you and the base closings is a political issue.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Laird

12/24/70 1:05 p.m. page 2

L: Another manpower reduction. . . Shultz' man sat down with Bob M ______ and worked it out. I better call George. I don't know whether his people are communicating with him. I will get this other g thing going. Another thing: McCain came in with a hell of a message. He says he has got to have more men. I w wanted you to know . . . . . I understand Al called last night regarding intelligence.

K: On the civilian side.

L: I have worked it out with Moorer, Bennet, the Chiefs and the service secretaries. The hearings are starting on February 1. All of the tactical material will be as it was before.

K: The news stories read as if the whole DIA is being pulled out from under the chiefs.

L: DIA will still perform their functions, but the Chiefs want to set it up in a separate intelligence organization. Some of these newspaper guys make it out like it was something to do with the Pueble and that's not true.

K: The only thing is we didn't want the Fitzhugh report implemented without getting a crack at it.

L: Tom and I are in agreement but some of these guys want to read him into the memo. But let it run that way.

K: We have no problem with that.

L: What we have to do . . . Bob Haldeman wanted a cut-off date. ______ to do something to get that, but I was concerned the way the papers were playing it.

K: One thing the President wants. If the ships aren't out of Cuba next week he wants another Black Sea cruise with a heavier ship and a Baltic cruise.

L: I have one set on the third.

K: Okay, but put a cruiser on that.

L: Okay, We have been playing this thing down, dead-panning it.

K: That's the way to do it but if they're still there b the end of next week he wants that done.
L: Okay.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TELCOM

M. Wallace/Kissinger

1:47 pm

12/24/70

W: Thank you for your Christmas card. I can talk on this phone?

K: Sure.

W: When we had a discussion several months ago it looked like we might go to North Korea. Brown goes to Moscow tomorrow. He'll get his visa to N. Korea there. Then he will go to No. Korea. He will make the advance arrangements and I will go 10 days from now. He is extremely excited and apprehensive. So he says in case you decide to do anything entertaining during that time he wants you to know he is there for 10 around Jan. 1.

K: No worries. Unless they execute Americans in the Street but then you would be part of them.

W: Any usefulness in my seeing you?

K: Yes but I will be on the W. Coast. I leave Sat. until the 3rd. I would love to see you. On the 3rd or on the W. Coast.

W: I will try to do one or the other.

K: And when you get back.

W: Bill ? ? ? -- why they are letting us go at this moment.

K: No. May just want to soften their posture a bit.

W: I will be in touch in a week or 10 days.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E1-2562
By CNAR Date 5/2/70

TELCORN

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

4:15 pm

12/24/70

K: I think we take it the Ivanov thing is on the track.

D: The man I spoke about does not know the details because about that last assurance given from your side it doesn't matter what kind of decision taken by the court.

K: What do you mean?

D: You were obligated to take a ______ but a final stage.

K: He doesn't know that but I will make it a matter of record. The State Dept. has just to work out the arrangements with you. It will be a record in the WH and at the Justice Department. No point in making it --

D: I just understood it was the case --

K: Only to prevent a leak. I have two other things -- when we were talking the other day of minor things that cause irritation, one that hasn't happened yet but as a presidential campaigning begins, many aspirants will go to various capitals. Things that help certain candidates will take exception when other candidates weren't given them.

D: One already applied. I wrote to Moscow but haven't received a response. For the first of January. Don't know what the answer is. We were told rather asked if it was possible.

K: We cannot say that someone shouldn't visit Moscow but when the President was a candidate the circle of people he could see was definitive. If it changed for these, it would cause ____________.

D: No one will ask any candidate to do anything.

K: But taken out of context it could be used that way.

D: How can we keep it quiet?

K: It's entirely a sovereign decision. It's just that in my judgment some things that cause problems within the intrinsic ? ? ? ? ? . I didn't know there was one planned.

D: It's been almost two weeks.

K: Being received by top level people and being there are two different things.

D: No, when I talk about going to it's for a meeting with top level people.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E10256
By CHARA Date 6/26

Dobrynin/Kissinger

4:15 pm

12/24/70

D: (cont) I can give visas for any Senator to go but when he say it was an application, it was to visit people.

K: So you meant with top level -- if they see top level -- it's up to you.

D: I have no answer -- maybe today or tomorrow. I don't know.

K: The point that was made to me when the President was there he was refused to see senior people and he remembers it was of course. If they are received, if conversations could be kept so that they cannot be used it would help political discussions we are planning. This is personal advice and no an official request. I thought you may want to see the comments I made on our relations at the backgrounder today, which you will find constructive.

D: Have you already typed it?

K: I will have a copy sent over. I have not seen it yet. As soon as it's done. Finally and most importantly (something about the M. E.) but because you felt there was some urgency.

D: I will invite you.

K: The President would be prepared to have me discuss with you some of the general proposals and formulations and in the meantime we should avoid matters to aggravate the military situation there. Some ideas you have discussed the other day he is considering in a positive spirit and I will say more to you on the 7th.

D: Off the record, if something could be more completely now -- it is important based on Soviet/American relations and would be good to discuss concrete --

K: I am doing something on this. Berlin (I have worked out).

D: Strategic.

K: I will give it to you on the 7th. We have made a preliminary decision.

D: I will wait to have the usual dinner with you.

K: I want you to know on general background. In my backgrounder I said settlement in the M. E. not possible because it was not in the interest of the Soviets. (But that was just as a diversion.)

D: Send it in a personal envelope to me.

K: Merry Christmas and wee you on the 7th.

D: I hope you will see your children.

K: They are coming to the W. Coast with me.

By. NARA, Date. 5/26

TELCOM

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

4:15 pm

12/24/70

D: The man I spoke about does not know the details because about that last assurances given from your side it doesn't matter what kind of decision taken by the court.

K: What do you mean?

K: He doesn't know that but I will made it a matter of record. The State Dept. has just to work out the arrangements with you. It will be a record in the WH and the Justice Department. No point in making it --

K: We cannot say that someone shouldn't visit Moscow but when the President was a candidate the circle of people he could see was definitive. If it changed for these, it would cause ______.

D: How can we keep it quiet?

K: It's entirely a sovereign decision. It's just that in my judgment some things that cause problems within the intrinsic ? ? ? ? . I didn't know there was one planned.

D: No, when I talk about going for it's for a meeting with top level people.

By NARA, Date 5/26

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D: (cont) I can give visas for any Senator to go but when he I say it was an
application, it was to visit people.

D: Have you already typed it?

D: I will invite you.

K: I am doing something on this. Berlin(I have worked out).

D: Strategic.

K: Merry Christmas and weee you on the 7th.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12950, Sect. 3.6

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Tony Lake

12/24/70 4:30 p.m.

K: I called for two reasons. One, Al told me about your conversation yesterday and as far as I am concerned you are the best judge of what you should do and I will do anything I can on my side to keep the relationship constructive. This is not a partisan issue -- I know you are interested in what is best for this country and we both think we should do our best to keep divisions to a minimum. I have high personal regard for Muskie and for you. And the only other thing I have to say is to wish you well, and Merry Christmas.

L: Thank you very much. I came by to tell you because of a
strong loyalty I feel to you personally.

K: I had always hoped to bring you back into the government and I still hope you will perform the national service of which you are capable. I certainly think of our association with much pleasure.

L: Thank you very much for calling.

By. NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
The President
12/24/70 4:50 p.m.

K: I wanted to tell you I had a long talk on the phone with Dobrynin and hung out the prospects for SALT and Berlin and the Middle East. I said that if Presidential candidates started receiving treatment not accorded others in Moscow we would look very unsympathetically on it. He said the Senator had already asked and I said he had better not come back with statements he can use in a partisan way because it will jeopardize everything.

P: You think he's going to go?

K: He thinks not, but I think so. Then I called that snake Lake to complete the circle.

P: But the way you left it he said that he had asked and he didn't know whether it had been approved?

K: Right. I said we don't mind his going to Moscow, but just the people he's going to see.

P: That's okay. Then he'll owe us one.

K: That's right. And I've held out enough goodies. They will probably see him, but they may not tell him much.

P: One guy who's been good to us is Stewart Alsop. If you could just give him a call and chat with him some time . . .

K: I saw him at dinner the other day.

P: Oh you did? How's his temperature?

K: He's fine.

P: He wrote a good one the other day. Okay Henry, take a couple of hours off.

K: Thank you. Merry Christmas.

P: Same to you.

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TELECON - HAK and DEAN ACHESON 12/26/70 1040 am

By ETD

K: Just wanted to let you know I am going away and plan to work on the President's Annual Report. I'm taking my staff with me.

A: I wanted to come in to see you but since you are going to be away.... I plan to go away on the 4th (January). When will you return?

K: I plan to be back here on the morning of the 4th.

A: That's when I leave. I can come in today or talk on the phone... what would you like?

K: I'll be happy to see you. But if you want to talk on the phone... I'll leave it up to you.

A: Well, I wanted to talk with you about the memorandum I left you on South West. Did it make any impression?

K: Indeed, yes. You called to my attention the disgraceful situation which I had to learn from you...that the Government had taken a position. We are trying to sort it out now.

A: Would it hurt or help you for me to give attention to this?

K: It could hurt us.

A: You know...people might read something in it...say you put me up to it.

K: I know what you mean. People will say we're in cQ-hoots (laughter). Even if I never laid eyes on you. If anyone ever gave me credit for putting you up to something Kkhe on international law analyses, I would be flattered. I am concerned that something like this could happen without the White House being consulted. A public statement by you would be very helpful.

A: All right, I'll be busy on it.

K: I'll be in touch with you through the usual channel. If you find something is happening we should know about we'll be most grateful if you will get in touch with us unsolicited.

A: agreed to do so. K thanked him for his moral and other support.

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TELCOM
Secretary Laird
Mr. Kissinger
11:50am, 12-26-70

L: Henry, what I wanted - I think our meeting went along very well.

K: Mel, my strong impression is that the President does not want SOUTHCOM phased out.

L: What we have and what Dave is working on is we are working on a way to upgrade our military assistance there. We want to insert more personnel into the area.

K: We want to make sure Latin Americans know there is one place they can go to.

L: That is why they would like to have one placed in Washington. We are going to bring in a new man to head up the military assistance program and at that time we will go forward and make the announcement. But we don't want that in the budget.

K: That is not a Presidential directive. In fact, his directive is the opposite.

L: Dave has spent a lot of time on it but let's not do anything until February.

K: Well, he may not want to do anything on it.

L: The Senate and House Committees have both recommended it. And we have to upgrade it somehow. I am not concerned about that. George understood that. They received all the reports on this area and really SOUTHCOM does sit there in Panama and does not do much good. I think we have that taken care of. That is one of the reductions we are not going to list in the document itself. As far as the B-1 and the frigate -- We stopped the purchase of the F-111 last year. They want to knock out some electronic equipment on planes coming off the line. I told them Dave would sit down and talk to them about it.

K: I am very leary of OMB specifying specific equipment.

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L: The reason I didn't argue with them was I wanted to maintain good friendly relations. On this meeting Thursday I was trying to make them feel good about their situation so I did not make those points the way you are making them now because it would just have antagonized them. We have arranged appointments and we will keep the money in and if they want to change priorities we can talk about it. I just felt it was better not to get into any arguments. As far as the $74.5M is concerned, I think that figure has been agreed on and I think it is also agreed it does not include military retirement which is $300M but they do want me to eat the military assistance add-on. We may agree to take $150M but not $300M.

K: I want a billion increase on this and that is what George and I agreed to. We are marginal in too many places in our national defense.

L: But they are still after me on military assistance.

K: Just refuse and I will back you and I am sure the President will.

L: Alright. One other item. I wanted to check with you. I noticed on Culebra - I worked out that language. We have a committee over here working on this.

K: Who put it out.

L: Well, it is a report that Train is taking over Culebra thing. The only situation on that is we are going forward on this study and we will make some modifications but I had this Governor in Puerto Rico quieted down and I don't think we should get them upset again. The story is in the Post today. It comes out of San Juan. I just wondered what this deal was. They ought to let me know about this or they should get someone over here they can trust.

K: I did not know about it. Let me check into it.

L: The language they put into the House Report was language we sent over to them. We had this pretty well on track unless Louis got in touch with someone in the White House.

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K: It was not run through my office. If they had talked to me, I would have talked to you.

L: Henry, the next item is the scientific groups. The President's Scientific Advisor has been talking about herbicides.

K: Well, you sent over a paper and the President agreed with it. And I was going to check with you about a release we were going to go with today on this.

L: What you have over there is a copy of my memorandum to the President and you want to knock out in the statement --

K: No, no, we are working out a press release.

L: How about checking it with Jerry Friedheim?

K: Our people did it as a summary of your memorandum and we will run it by Jerry Friedheim.

L: The other item is I sent you a little memorandum on infiltration. I sent it over Wednesday.

K: Oh yes, I saw it.

L: Basically I think we should be careful. Our infiltration will not be as high in 1970 as they were in 1969. The last two months they are higher than they were in 1969.

K: Has anyone said anything else?

L: There were some reports from CIA and DIA that combined Cambodia and Laos and for 1969 they left them out.

K: My impression is for the last two months they have been higher than --

L: I have laid it all out in the memorandum.

K: That was a very thoughtful memorandum.

L: Anything else?

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K: No. I am going away for a few days.

L: Good. I will hold out on not eating that military assistance.

K: No. I am going to call Shultz and raise hell.

L: That probably will not do any good. He has a morale problem with his staff. He is a sincere guy and I would like to help him if I can.

K: Alright Mel.

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TELCON
The President
Mr. Kissinger
12 Noon, 12-26-70

K: Hello Mr. President. I have two matters. One is I have the POW letter which is pretty full statement. I will keep it for you until you get back on Monday unless you feel you want to release it today.

P: Have you found anyone to send it to?

K: No, I thought we would send it to all the wives.

P: Well, we can't publish it until then.

K: There is an American Convention Society meeting tomorrow and they are going to come up with a report blasting the herbicide report in Vietnam. At the same time, we had made a study to phase out our herbicide operations in Vietnam by May of next year and we were ready to announce early next week but we could let it go today and it would not look as though we were listening to the howls of that society.

P: Yes. I think you could do that. I think on the POW thing we could get Colson or somebody working on it who is working with that organization. If we are going to generate it, we have to have something done today. Could this be put out as a statement? Is it in a form that we could do it? I would like this to be out by today. The people don't give a damn about what we are doing about herbicides.

K: It would be an easy matter to change the letter into a statement. It just needs a different introduction and ending.

P: Alright, if you would not mind, just make it a statement. What does it say?

K: It sums up what you have done since you came into office. We had Ray Price go over it yesterday.

P: Good. This would be great to get in Sunday's papers. There is an organization of POW wives (the main one) that we could send it to

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them as a statement. I have not thought of a way to get it out.
The statement should not go out unless we are responding to
something. What are we responding to? The main thing is
tell them to get off their butts in the mail room and find that
letter. We received scores of letters after Sonntay. Then
find that letter and make this in response to that letter. I will
get hold of Haldeman and get him to do it. Meantime, get the
herbicide thing out. I think the POW thing is good news to put
out and I will tell them to find the letter.

K: Good. The letter is all done and in good shape. We are getting a lot of heat from Jewish groups about these people who were sentenced and we have urged Ron to say nothing.

P: Yes. That is right. I am for capital punishment for hijackers. I am glad to see the Jewish people raising cain with the Russians. The idea of putting out a big public statement is like blowing into the wind.

K: And also whatever the trial, these are after all their own citizens.

P: That is right. They are not American citizens. They were not part of that Turkish group were they?

K: No, I wouldn't be surprised if they were framed but who are we to say that. I think we would irritate the Soviets if we said that now.

P: I think everyone should be tough on hijackers.

K: The report says it was a KGB trap of people who wanted to flee.

P: Tell your Jewish people we are looking into it.

K: We have shifted it to the State Department.

P: Give it to the same guy who handled the Lithuanian matter. I will get hold of Haldeman on the POW matter.

K: Thank you Mr. President.

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TELCON
Mr. Shultz
Mr. Kissinger
12:05 pm, 12-26-70

K: I just talked to Laird and want to close the circuit because he is so crooked. He claims that you have asked him to close down SOUTHCOM.

S: I am not sure.

K: At any rate, the President does not want it closed down and we don't want Laird to claim budget support. We have to have a place for those people down there to go.

S: On our list we had the closing of several commands.

K: I don't care about the others but SOUTHCOM we do not want closed this year. Laird is eager to close it. He says he will delay against your pressures. I had not understood that list included this. He does not want to take the B-1 with which I agree. And also on the F-111, we are talking about avionics, not the plane and I have doubts OMB should get into that much detail. I don't know whether for piddling sums it is worth going against military judgment.

S: Let us bear that in mind. The frigate is left to be discussed.

K: The only other thing. My understanding is we were going to have a billion net increase and he tells me we will have a reduction in military assistance program and it will not be a billion increase. I understood you were willing to give him more than a billion if he justified it by reductions. That is my understanding. It isn't that once he settles on a billion we will start whacking away at that.

S: There is a lot of looseness about this and I thought when we went over to discuss this that Laird would be there but it was Moorer and Moot. At various points Moot suggested that these were things that the staff could work out. For example, they had

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three items of repairs. Our people felt these were all in the base. There was some discussion back and forth and Moot said we could work this out with the staff.

K: I do want to give them a little more air with their budget.

S: This was the whole idea and I thought the meeting worked out well. We certainly would not have gotten anywhere without your support and Wayne Smith's help. An interesting side -- I know you are concerned about the Joint Chiefs interest -- Moorer was extremely happy when it ended.

K: Well, you won't get anywhere on the frigate part because Laird put it in the budget when he was in Congress himself. I will be gone next week George.

S: If there are any problems, I will call you. We are not fighting the budget number with them. If my man wants to talk to someone who should he talk to, Smith?

K: Yes.

S: I would like to see them get some stuff together and shortly after you get back get to gether.

K: The President should be clear about where we are going before we strike. The intelligence community knows too much.

S: Okay. Have a good holiday.

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TELCON
Governor Rockefeller
Mr. Kissinger
12:35 pm, 12-26-70

R: Hello Henry.

K: I am sitting in my office looking at that sculpture. It is very nice.

R: Aren't you nice. I hope you like it.

K: What I called you about was this. We thought on this intelligence study that first of all there is almost no way it can be done by asking the agencies to study themselves and secondly, duplication of mechanisms would be too cumbersome for FIAB to start from scratch on. We have formed a group of Shultz's people and my people and we want to use FIAB as a parent organization and within FIAB the President is hoping you will help us push it. This is something in which Navy blood is going to be spilled. It does not require anything of you right now. We are setting up a little group here to go through the process, to do the staff work. We will feed that to FIAB and hope they will endorse it and when we have our preliminary work done I would like to brief you on it either here or send someone up there. We thought between you and Baker --

R: Yes. Baker is a helluva good guy. What about Land? He is extremely bright.

K: Yes he is bright. Franklin Murphy is a disaster. He won't stop talking.

R: But we get along in our own group.

K: Yes. The Admiral is good but on this issue it is going to be bad.

R: What really is missing is a professional organization that would be of a permanent character that would be under you.

K: Strangely enough, some of the people in the OMB have come up with the same idea.

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R: For instance, just to use that Chilean thing - national interests should be analyzed but just straight "what is in our own national interest" and there is no place except within your own shop. We get all this stuff and what I go to immediately is how do we take this information, what do we do with it?

K: Yes, but I get over-loaded.

R: Yes, you have to go to the hottest ones.

K: Or I may not understand it. On that Chilean thing - for once I trusted the bureaucracy's opinion.

R: I do feel Henry - I think it is worth considering tying this in.

K: The President is prepared to send it up as Presidential reorganization.

R: Of course with the money shortage I think they have to do something about this.

K: Yes.

R: I will be very happy to work on it.

K: I am going to the West Coast to work on the President's Annual Report and will be back the week after New Years.

R: While I am on the phone, the situation of the other governors. I don't know what the President is planning on doing.

K: I don't think he is planning on $10M.

R: I have everyone supporting it now and it is only 5% of his budget. And everyone is going along with it.

K: You should definitely talk to George Shultz.

R: Tell George I will call him on Monday. I have been on the phone trying to decide what to do if the New York City firemen, garbage collectors, etc go on strike. I may have to conscript these people.

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I will have to declare an emergency and conscript them. He does not realize. He thinks by making the gesture he will be alright but he is wrong. Happy is leaving. She says the tension is too great. You and I are used to dealing with tensions. The chaos will be something and I think he should forget '72. Even if Congress does not get it to him, he should ask for it. Can Ehrlichman or Shultz have more influence?

K: Either one really.

R: Well, there is none in the Congress. When I am inaugurated I have to lay it on the line as to what Congress must do. They are utterly leaderless. I will leave out the President. Congress is not reflective of our needs. I think that these guys are living in sort of a business as usual and I think we have come to an end of that as far as domestic scene is concerned.

K: The international scene also.

R: I have had to reorganize my staff, and work out my message.

K: One amazing thing to me. Here you have been in public life 13 years and yet, again, you are the most fascinating man in politics. You are the man with the most vision. The people that now get to the top are poor technicians of power. As long as I have known you, you know what perspective to pursue. These people -- the Kennedy's, Muskie's etc -- they do not have this. Or the Lindsays. When I see you, I must tell you about a conversation I had with Kennedy the other day. It is this complete lack of moral character, a deep lack of integrity. People like Dulles, Eisenhower or Truman -- these were all people who still had purposes.

R: I think this is a very important point. But maybe the shakeup which we will have -- the story in the paper that says the students at college are forced to work, etc.

K: I think the people like the Kennedy's will be replaced in a few years. I think it is very important that somebody like you calls the issues as they are.

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TELCORN
Flanigan/Kissinger

9:22 am

12/28/70

K: I have come to the conclusion that I want to talk about that we should stop the textile negotiations. They will let you see the tape of my conversation with my fellow. I talked with Gehlin who talked with Sato and Miazawa. He says Miazawa said -- to the chief of the editorial (staff) of the Post -- that we are trying to get them to sign another document on the deck of the Missouri. I don't see what we will get out of it anymore. I know it's a problem for you.

F: What I think can come out of it, if they find it preferable to legislature and Sato can live with it.

K: He will never admit that he cannot happily live with it.

F: We can put it to him on the basis of what do you prefer? It's possible that we can have an agreement that is an acceptable agreement to them and that actions under that agreement would be unilateral U. S. actions and not things they agreed to do.

K: So they are agreeing to unilateral action. It's a fact of life.

F: No it's not. We don't have that power short of a trade bill so we would have the right to act without trade legislation.

K: So we will get a shallacking everytime we act.

F: No because we have plenty of unused ______ against them. It would be against them only worse. If you are not sure they will take retaliatory action under the agreement then why ? ? ? ? ? ?. It will weaken Sato's position.

K: Either he is so cracked that no agreement is worth anything or he is not an objective bind and it's too dangerous.

F: For his political future? I don't see why that kind of agreement where they --

K: I don't see how he can give his word twice in one year and not show any sign of living up to it. We didn't start it.

F: That's right. I would agree with you that we shouldn't hold his feet to the fire for an agreement that is politically unacceptable to him.

K: Have you the conversation?

F: No.

K: Tell Haig to give it to you. It's on a tape at my house. Maybe they haven't had a chance to transcribe it yet. They are waiting for us to come up with

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Flanigan/Kissinger

9:22 am

12/28/70

K: (cont) a modification of the last proposal. They want to know if they should have Ushiba make a proposal to you -- I understand you are having lunch with him sometime this week --

F: xRick Wednesday.

K: what they made formally to us.

F: The answer should be no.

K: Tell Haig to call him. No sens in making a proposal we cannot accept.

F: I will get the tape and tell Haig no.

K: Let's wait until next week.

F: It's off until then anyway.

K: It's a weird fascination dealing with the oriental mind. It's like a Kafka play -- (about a man who tries to get in a door and he is barred. He suddenly realizes he has waited all his life to get in that one door and now his life is over and he has succeeded at nothing).

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John Osborne/Mr. Kissinger

December 28, 1970 11:00 a.m.

(not verbatim)

jlj

O: I had given you some warning that I was going to call about that question that we were discussing some time ago. Do you have anything on it?

K: I will probably stay. The questions is not altogether closed. Don't say anything final but you can use it on the basis of speculation. I have not done anything about it.

O: I will not be using it this week. I would not be writing this week about this subject.

K: You would probably write more kindly about me if I said that I was leaving.

O: I will not be dealing with this issue this week. I just wanted to check with you on either I should or should not . . .

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Sen. Fulbright/Kissinger

11:50 am

12/28/70

K: I am calling to wish you a very happy new year. And to tell you as exasperating as you are, the country would be the poorer for not having you.

F: That's kind of you. I don't try to be exasperating.

K: I know you don't and I value our relationship.

F: I am sorry we don't view some of these things the same way but that's what makes the world go round.

K: I think the differences are in time scale.

F: That's right and the urgency of taking some action largely because of other influences not in the same areas.

K: I have no direct link to the domestic pressures so I am less sensitive to them than you are.

F: Right.

K: Anytime you want to resume meetings in your house or any other way, I am at your disposal.

F: You are in California now?

K: Yes. I am working on the President's Annual Foreign Policy Report.

F: That's wise. Sunshine?

K: Yes, it's lovely.

F: But harder to work. I just returned from ________.

K: Will you wind up by the 4th? 3rd?

F: I hope so. Everyone including the President would benefit having them off for awhile, contemplating their navals for a bit. Everyone gets in a bad humor.

K: A strenuous year with ups and downs.

F: I hope he doesn't plan to call them back on Monday.

K: I don't know. I have no feeling for him thinking this far away.

K: My guess is that for what it's worth is that the military appropriations

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Fulbright/Kissinger
11:40 am 12/28/70

F: (cont) will get through but I don't think we will get a compromise. That's a disaster. ? ? ? ? ? ? social security and leave trade bills. I know Wilbur Mills ? ? ? ? ? (Fulbright's voice kept fading out)

K: They have been tough to deal with.

F: The military and foreign aid will get through.

K: Then in that case it will probably go the way you think it should.

F: The other things I don't think they are ready to pass. It would be just further frustration.

K: The purpose of this call was to wish you a Happy and successful New Year.

F: And I hope we will be successful in our various policies. Good luck and thanks for calling me.

K: And I hope to see you in the New Year.

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Prof. Graubard/Mr. Kissinger (not verbatim)
December 28, 1970 11:55 R.m.
jlj

G: Henry, is it nice out there?

K: Very Stephen, how are you?

G: Fine. I tried to get you many times last week.

K: You called last week? I had someone call you to tell you I was
unable to see you. I have been very busy . . .

G: No it was not about that. I heard that you may stay overnight in
Boston and might need a place to stay in Cambridge. I was going to
be out of town so I thought you might want to use my place.

K: You called me? No one told me you tried to reach me. I know there
is something wrong in my outer office. Did you give them your name?

G: I called at least twice. Yes, I gave them my name. I told Ann
that if you wanted to stay overnight I would give you my apartment.
It is very nice. Then I got ill with a bad cold and ended up staying.
We are diluged with snow here.

K: In Boston? It is very hard to live in New England.

G: When are you back?

K: If the President is coming out I will be back on the 16th or 17th
but otherwise the 3rd or 4th. I am coming back for a weekend of
constant parties for John Freeman on the 8th, 9th and 10th. - 7th -
He has done an unbelievable job. Do you know him? At a party
last week for him they suddenly called on me. I told them that the
British Ambassador has always been charming us to the point of
being more influential than the cabinet members. I was not going to
fall into the trap of Lord Harlech and have us pleading to tell them
all our secrets. Now I want to tell you that Amb. Freeman is more
influential than most cabinet members and that we are pleading to tell
them our secrets.

G: Not a distinction of a light order.

K: He is most impressive. Most impressive man I have met in
Washington. Not at first. At first his wife charms the pants off you
right away. Perhaps that is an indelicate way of putting it.

G: It depends on where she does it.

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K: She is very loyal to him. Steve, we will get together for lunch or dinner when I find out what the schedule is.

G: When will you know?

K: By Wednesday.

G: Henry, your children are charming. David is very artistic. I did not know that.

K: Thank you. I think he does have talent.

G: This is the first time you have been separated from the man, isn't it?

K: From Ann?

G: No, from the man. Are you going to take some time off.

K: A little. I am working on the Annual Policy Report.

G: There is a difference in pace though.

K: Much quieter here.

G: If ever you want to come up to Cambridge and need a place to spend the night you are welcome to use my apartment. It's at 19 Garden Street opposite from the Commodore Hotel (?). It is the nicest apartment you have seen me in.

K: Guido has offered me his apartment in Cambridge too. It was very sweet of you. I was never told.

G: I also told Ann to tell you in case she got in touch with you but then the day before Christmas I called and told her not to say anything to you because I was not going away.

K: See you soon.

G: Either soon or after the 20th.

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TELCON
Yoshida/Col. Kennedy
8:23 a.m. 12/29/70

K: Prof. Jones asked me to call you this morning urgently to say that your expert should not make the proposal about which you spoke to Prof. Jones -- he should not make it to our expert. We are not ready for it.

Y: I have understood. The experts will be having lunch tomorrow but our expert will not make any proposal so we will have a social occasion.

K: That's right.

Y: That's absolutely understood. I will see to it that there will be no confusion. Col. Kennedy, please tell Prof. Jones that I look forward to hearing from him any message he might have. --

K: I will be sure he has that message.

Y: On the substance of the problem.

K: I will be sure.

Y: Thank you and good-by.

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TELCONE

Jim Cannon/Kissinger

11:12 am

12/29/70

K: Nancy said you wanted to talk to me which probably means she wants you to talk to me.

C: The Governor is going to be in Washington on Sunday and wants to see the President on revenue sharing.

K: I think the President will be at Camp David. Either preparing for the TV thing or watching football.

C: Or both.

K: Football anyway. I don't recommended it at this moment. I think the Governor should be careful not to move into opposition posture now.

C: We agree but the Governor is determined to move on revenue sharing on what's meaningful. $10 billion sounds like a lot of money but not for the need. I think it's good for him to stay in touch with the President.

K: It wouldn't hurt to try but I don't know if it will succeed. Maybe for dinner.

C: He was going to talk to Mitchell and Haldeman. We want to stress how important it is.

K: He should talk with Shultz and Ehrlichman. Haldeman has nothing to do with it.

C: Haldeman in reference to meeting with the Republican Governors. Mitchell said the President would do it. Shaeffer, who is in charge of the meeting, is looking for a job in the Administration and doesn't want to do anything to lessen his chances.

(The conversation continued on a personal matter.)

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Mr. Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

December 29, 1970 11:45 a.m.

jlj

H: Hello Henry. How is the weather out there?

K: Excellent. Superb. 70 degrees. If you can take it I am sitting on the porch. We are making progress on the foreign policy report. It is beginning to shape up. I hope the President understands that I am working out here.

H: He knows you are on vacation. I told him.

K: I really am working. I have a couple of things Bob. I ran into Mr. and Mrs. Norman Chandler last night at the ballet. She is [upset] because he has never been invited to the White House. Said she had never been invited for dinner and she gave a dinner for the President on short notice.

H: Was she drunk?

K: No. I am not talking about Missy, I am talking about Dorothy. She is going all over Los Angeles and I think her husband basically likes us.

H: She has been invited but never came. We will send her a note reminding her of all the invitations we have sent that she regretted.

K: OK. I am not telling you to do anything about it. I am just repeating what she is saying. Second, is there any chance that the President may come out here next week.

H: Yes there is a chance. I think so.

K: How long would he stay?

H: Come out on Tuesday for a couple of weeks, two months, six weeks.

K: [I think it would be good to stay] through the Congressional session.

H: I think that is what he has in mind.

K: In that case I would stay out here. [Signature]

H: When were you thinking of coming back?

K: Sunday or Monday.

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H: We should know in the next couple of days. He has been making noises about going out.

K: I think he should go somewhere. Not necessarily out here but somewhere.

H: My source of information says that Winston Lord's wife is saying he is thinking about leaving his job but has not talked to anybody at the White House about it yet.

K: I heard that. I think I should keep him for a few months more. He told Haig he was thinking of leaving.

H: Muskie tour . . . getting sweats. . . [Tony ?] says going to be very embarrassed. [something about not seeing people.] He has not got to see Brandt.

K: He'll see Brandt.

H: Harriman is going to Paris to see Bruce. Then on to Moscow to meet Muskie.

K: Assuming they get to Moscow. That will be interesting to see.

H: Harriman is using Smyser as his contact on NSC to get material.

K: He won't get anything from Smyser. He is hard line but I will check into it.

H: Anything else we can do to brighten up your day?

K: It was an interesting observation you made the other day.

H: What was that?

K: That I hired my staff for quality and that is all. . . . I never thought this disloyalty was possible. Anyway, let me know as soon as you get some word on this other thing will you? If you come out I will plan to stay over and send the kids back. See you soon.

H: I will let you know.

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TELCOM

Packard/Kissinger

12:21 pm

12/29/70

P: I understand you and Mel have been working pretty hard.

K: On the budget?

P: Yeah.

K: Everytime Mel gets ~~get~~ through explaining the budget to me I think he is talking Swahili.

P: Everyone stays confused and no one knows what's going on.

K: We did ~~what~~ what you suggested and OMB came back with suggestions. I thought everyone was happy.

P: We are. I am calling to thank you. The other thing is Dr. David's letter to the President on stand off capability.

K: I saw that.

P: I wanted to chat. I have no reason why he shouldn't send it to the President. It's consistent with what I think ~~we~~ should be done but I want to be sure what program we want to implement. I am in general agreement with what he says although ~~there's~~ more detail work to be done. If he wants to send it to the President, I don't object.

K: How do we move it after the President has seen it.

P: I will have a program prepared. It's underway now. We could submit it to the DPRC or anyway it's appropriate but ~~the~~ question of what can be done. Anything done within a year will be determined by action. We will need (?) the Israelis' help. I think we could do better with stand off capabilities then we can by giving them aircraft.

K: I would recommend that you complete your study and we put it into the
Sr. Review Group.

P: That's fine.

K: I will tell the President when I transmit David's letter that's what you are doing.

P: If he wants to back it up with a memo, fine, or you can tell him and ~~we~~ say it will get done.

K: Good.

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Packard/Kissinger
12:21 pm 12/29/70

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P: Again this budget situation I think is fine.

K: I have the President's agreement, for your guidance, that you can get a billion increase so don't use MAP increase.

P: That's what Mel said. We will hold tight on it and issues of the BOB thing, we should change a number of items.

K: I don't agree with them on B-1.

P: I don't think I agree on any of the issues but I think they need a chance to be heard.

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H. Sidey/Kissinger

9:27 am

12/30/70

S: You are all over the place so I can't keep track of you.

K: We are writing the annual foreign policy report. I took some of my staff out here.

S: You should be pleased -- I appear periodically on a show called Agronsky and Co. Liberal critics. Last night we taped one for Sat. night and it was unanimous that the President did well in foreign policy. There's a difference of opinion on domestic matters --

K: No, there's no difference of opinion. It's all negative.

S: OK but even with the severest critics on foreign policy everyone thinks he has done well and you are a large part of it.

K: Thank you. You are a good friend.

S: I called because at Harvard there are rumors. I called not for secrets but to see if you can enlighten me at all.

K: I have to make a move by Feb. 3. I am stewing about it out here.

S: There hasn't been a decision then.

K: No. Harvard has been very generous and made it easier for me and helped for me to come back.

S: Well, rumors crop up.

K: And I have been talking to friends up there.

S: He heard they said no you couldn't come back and another guy said it would work out all right.

K: Even if I leave it will be amicable and with a gentlemen's understanding that I can come back.

S: I am just putting this in --

K: I haven't decided but I will next week.

S: I will say just to hang on awhile and when there's a decision give me a call.

K: I will.

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Ernst Van der Beugel/Mr. Kissinger

December 30, 1970 11:55 a.m.

(not verbatim)

jlj

K: I am sorry I did not get to see you during that week when you were here.

V: You had something to do, I do not understand what. It's good to talk to you. I wrote you a little note. Have you received it yet?

K: When did you send it?

V: KKKK Recently. A couple of days ago.

K: I just wanted you to know that we are good friends and when I say I will call and then I don't you should call me.

V: I do not dare.

K: Nonsense. I think our relationship is going to survive this job.

V: I am coming in February.

K: Are you coming to Washington?

V: I will try to see you. How is everything with you?

K: It is hectic but that is not new.

V: But you have some quiet days.

K: I am on the west coast right now. How is Mikya (phonetic)? Has she recovered?

V: Yes. She has to slow down a bit but very very much better and she is almost back to normal. She sends her love. She is here in the room with me.

K: Give her my love. I hope I can see you in February. If you can't get to Washington perhaps we can get together for dinner in New York.

V: I am going to Washington but only one day but I will see you. I liked Joe Kraft's article on you.

K: You are kidding.

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Mr. Ehrlichman/Mr. Kissinger

December 31, 1970 10:10 a.m.

(not verbatim)

j1j

E: [German]

K: [German] You should say Z.

E: I am not the German student in the family. As a matter of fact
Peter is here right now.

K: Oh, that's right - when is he going?

E: I called to wish you a happy new year. Are you having fun out there?

K: I am getting some work done and plenty of sun.

E: We are not reading about you.

K: I got that under control.

E: Not stopping it just have the press under control about it. Henry,
would you send me a list of names and addresses that you want to refer
Peter to.

K: Yes. What is he interested in.

E: He's a history major. Civilization, German life . . .

K: How long will he be over there?

E: For six months. He is coming home sometime in June or July.

K: I think it would be better for him to have names of nice people even
if they are not famous. They would look after him and he could visit
them.

E: I think it would be even better for him that way. Dave Young has a
friend in Stuttgart (phonetic) and has put Peter in touch with them. It was
very nice of him to do that.

K: I don't have any friends in Stuttgart but I have a very good friend in
Munich.

E: That would be great.

K: Can it wait until I get back on Monday. I will write my friends

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that he is there and even if they are not in Stuttgart he will probably
be travelling around.

E: I don't want to be of any inconvenience to you.

K: You are not inconveniencing me. I will just draft one basic letter
and send it to all the people. It won't be work for me. Just for my
secretary.

E: And she is past the point of caring.

K: Past the point of caring.

E: You should have been around for the meeting with the Jewish leaders.
Schultz and I were in there doing budget stuff and Bill Rogers pranced
in with the Jewish leaders and we got roped into attending the meeting.

K: The President called me last night. He thought it went
extraordinarily well. I don't know . . .

E: It did. It was a very good meeting. There is a little anecdote I
would like to tell you about it though. The meeting brought up points
of having confidence and trust, etc. At the end they agreed on the line
to take about any leak of this and talked about confidence and trust.
Then the President got into his bag of goodies and started distributing
boxes of cufflinks and things. As they were leaving this one little
Jewish guy kept looking into his box and talking sort of to himself. I thought he was praying. Finally, he
turned to the President and said, Mr. President I want you to understand
that this is not a matter of confidence but there is nothing in my box.
Then there was a great shuffling around while they decided whether
to take a pair out of another box and put them into the box with the signature
or whether to sign another box. It was a high point in the Presidency.
You should have been there.

K: Oh yes. I would have contributed a lot. He was all charged up about
it and wanted to make a statement but I thought told him I didn't think it was
a good idea.

E: Joe Alsop was in hanging crepe about how bad things were.

K: He took Haig to the Rive Gauche for lunch. That's how bad things are.
He doesn't do that for me.

E: Me either. He drinks my coffee.

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K: What is the school your son is going to attend?

E: Bertlesbah (phonetic).

K: What is that?

E: It is right outside of Stuttgart. Stanford University has a branch over there. When are you coming back.

K: I will be back on Monday.

E: Happy Rose Bowl.

K: I am not sure I am going. We can't chopper into the place that we went into last year - Brennan won't do it.

E: That's ridiculous. ...... Have you got tickets. We walked last time. It wouldn't be so bad.

K: That is not bad. XXXXX If you can get that close.

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TELCOM

B. McDonald/Kissinger

afternoon 12/31/70

M: I have a virus. But better today.

K: I had one for two weeks. It seems to have more persistence this year.

M: How are you?

K: On the West Coast and content.

M: I called about the chances of visiting Dan Berrigan during Jan.

K: You recognize I am not the best person to suggest seeing Berrigan.

M: If you feel it's not a good idea I wouldn't want you to do it.

K: I want to keep you out of trouble. Not with what you discuss but your seeing him might trigger something.

M: I am willing to take the chance but I don't want you to get in trouble.

K: I won't.

M: I want you to put Jan. 16 aside for that other oboe concert.

K: That will be nice.

M: I have written you a letter on the book. It's an idea I have but I don't have all the facts.

K: Facts only give philosophical depth.

M: When are you coming home?

K: Mid-week.

M: Is the Egyptian thing a surprise?

K: What Egyptian thing?

M: Sadat's proposal.

K: I have known about it. It has positive possibilities. The aspect that Egypt is willing to settle separately? -? ? ? ? ?

M: That's what I thought. Talking already on future rights.

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K: If everything else is settled, then they don't have to hold back on transit through the canal?

M: He did that. How was Disneyland?

K: It's essentially American. Innocence and joyful.

M: Your visit with the children has been good?

K: Yes.

M: I will put aside two tickets for the 16th. The Lincoln Center is where it will be held. The American Foundation is using me for consulting work, but I (don't know if it will be on full-time basis.)

K: Good. Give my love to Alice.

M: If you can do anything on that thing, let me know.

K: I will talk with John Mitchell.

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Courtney Shelton/Mr. Kissinger

December 31, 1970 12:05 p.m.

(not verbatim)

jlj

S: Dr. Kissinger

K: I have read that piece you sent to my associate. I think I am out on the West Coast. I do not want to make any comment. I don't think it is appropriate for me to comment. There are two things I would like to suggest be changed. They add a little fuel to the proposition that there is a difference between the Secretary of State and me. On the second page [reading - Growth of NSC staff only naturally makes the role of the Secretary of State impotent.] I was wondering if you could state this more neutrally and make it rather speculative rather than negatively stated like it is.

S: I did not mean to load it. I do not have a copy with me so if you could just repeat exactly what you want us to change.

K: [repeat of above - reading what the story says.] I am just trying to save his feelings.

S: I don't see why that can't be done.

K: Continuing, [reading - relationship between Rogers and HAK]. I think it is true but I do not think it should be put in this article and I would like to have the whole line struck. I don't think those changes change the line of your story at all or the points it makes. On those I have no comments because I do not think it is appropriate. This is a much fairer description than the other piece.

S: That's what I tried to say in the office and in the letter. It was a pretty bad job all the way around. Thank you for calling and we will certainly make those changes.

K: Thank you. Good bye.

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TELCON

Don Kendall/Kissinger

12:25 pm

12/31/70

K: I get to wish you Happy New Year twice.

HAK: I'm lucky.

K: How was Disneyland?

HAK: Great.

K: I didn't know you had children.

HAK: A girl 11, and a boy 9. I usually take them out here. I get them a few weeks each year. They live with their mother.

K: You did what I did before I found the right one.

HAK: I haven't done the latter.

K: Why should you, you are having too much fun. On the conversation with the Russians, I think I have covered the M. E. with you. (HAK had this conversation at his house so there is no record of it.)

HAK: They are willing to make a settlement.

K: He put it in stronger terms than that. They really wanted to get it done. Too much of a drain on them. Too many problems at home for a drain of a protracted period of time. With the 1972 election how free would the President be in negotiating settlement that would be unpopular on both sides with the Jewish Communicty opposed. I said the Jewish community didn't put him in office and he would do what he had to. He was surprised at this statement. I think I totally convinced him he didn't have to worry on that. He didn't say much on Europe. His big concern was China -- the long range problems between Japan and China. If they did get together Japan could give China what they needed economically and industrially. On S. E. A. they want all countries strong as possible because it surrounded China with strong sisters and then they can't cause problems. So they wanted to settle Vietnam. So I said the President wasn't upset with Reich (?). The pressures that had been put on. I heard the president say that. He said he didn't think the President understands what had been done but you couldn't make Hanoi do what they didn't want to do. They thought the President's proposal on TV was very good. They were disappointment at the response. They said NFL did accept supervised elections. I asked if it were passed on. He said the statement was made in Paris. I checked that and they tied troop withdrawals into it.
HAK: That's what I thought.

K: I asked if it was all to it. He said yes and they will accept it. I asked

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Don Kendall/Kissinger

12:25 pm

12/31/70

-2-

K: (cont) if Hanoi would accept it and he said the NFL only does what Hanoi tells it. ? ? ? ? ? he said if troops not out of there, how can you get ________ on our side? They have changed on that position. No change in government and supervised elections. He wanted to know why we didn't use leverage on SVN and get it settled. I didn't know what he was talking about and couldn't get it out of him. He kept going back to it. I had never discussed is with you so I am not familiar with it.

HAK: You asked the right questions.

K: His attitude on climate being better and was totally surprised on the SST vote on the SST. This convinced him that this country was ready to work out arms race. He was very buoyant that this happened. I said you know the Russians are no longer the boogymen. They are in the same category as we -- members of the establishment. The young are exploring for something they don't know and think you are a failure. He said you had your revolution and we had ours and we don't want anymore. I told you that on trade they want to trade badly but he feels that the Administration will use this for political settlements and sex so they won't. But he said they need it badly. I don't know. He was taking a very soft line for a Russian. He said he could be criticized at home for some of the things he had said. He was a top writer for Isvestia and said he was not worried about his job. I asked why some of this hadn't been passed on to the Ambassador and he said he needed instructions to say it. He said Dobrynin had a good relationship with you.

HAK: That's right.

K: He didn't know how far those decisions had gone but Dobrynin had been free. But something tied to instructions in Moscow. I began to question that there are two lines in Moscow -- one soft and one hard. Conflict.

HAK: I appreciate this. I will follow up and let me know when you are back.

K: I am going to the South Pole.

HAK: I am sending someone with you.

K: Col. Behr. Army?

HAK: Yes.

K: What's his age?

HAK: 35-40. Able. A bureaucrat so he won't stimulate you very much.

K: I get back on the 10th. I will see you when I get back. Augustine Edwards

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Dan Kendall/Kissinger

12:25 pm

12/31/70

K: (cont) is now working for us. In training for 3 months and then available.

HAK: I want to review Chile with him in January.

K: Just call my office and they will arrange it. He is on our payroll.

HAK: If that's what you want. No, seriously, it's thexx in the national interest.

K: He put everything into that and when he was doing it he said he had not job when it was finished. I told him if he kept it up I would give him a job.

He is a hell of a smart fellow.

HAK: It's in the national interest.

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TELCONE

Haldeman/Kissinger

1:15 pm

12/31/70

H: We are having a white Christmas here one week late.

K: That what I understand. You can only blame yourself.

H: Some of us don't have the gall to xxx leave in the middle of crisis and
trribulation.

K: What I called about earlier I cleared with Haig. That book won't go in
without revision?

H: It's gone in but it can be revised.

K: I hate to have him focus on it.

H: He isn't working on it yet. No problem.

K: Haw was your talk with Hodges?

H: Fine. He has agreed to some changes, not some, and asked for more
information on other changes. He agrees on Meaker, Meyer and moving
Marshall Green to Japan. Question of Shaetzel but if someone better he will
put him in there. Agrees on Olson, who's been a real problem, and Hillenbrand.
Agrees on Korry. No on Sullivan. On the internal people he agrees.
Agrees on Trewhart and Rice. He objects to Porter because he is too old.
President turned him down before for the Dept. so he doesn't think we want
him in the field.

K: What about Habib?

H: Habib into the Department for planning for awhile and then on to another post.

K: He isn't good. Planning is the end of the line in the Dept. We have to do
more for him.

H: On OAS for Mosbacher, he says Mosbacher doesn't want it.

K: I don't believe that.

H: Agreed that they'd give Vaky a good post. Agrees that Meyer not the best
but cannot think of someone better. If we have someone, he will consider it.

K: That's fair. I question Habib and I think an ambassadorship. We have
to get it for him by Jan. 30. Planning is not good for him and he is not good
for it.

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Haldeman/Kissinger

1:15 pm

12/31/70

-2-

H: That's what he had in mind. Probably something Alex came up with.

K: He has been our man most of the time. How about Australia?

H: We could do that.

K: A good rest-cure for him and give that post to the Foreign Service for a change.

H: He has gone over some of these. We don't have a chance on political ambassadors. Where we have mediocre people he would like us to change.

K: Who will he put in for Green?

H: I don't know. We have to come up with another candidate unless we want to push on Porter.

K: That's the -- I think you did well.

H: Good start and productive meeting.

K: Not unreasonable on his part. If we can get Habib a position, we have done what we can. Where are we putting Sullivan? Whitehouse to Paris.

H: Or to EA to replace Sullivan.

K: No, Ungar.

H: We had Sullivan as a possibility for Australia. ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

K: He has a point there.

H: We need someone with background.

K: Why don't you suggest Habib.

H: Burgus of Cairo -- you objected to?

K: Yes.

H: He says he is a strong supporter of our policy.

K: It depends. I won't go to the mat on him.

H: I couldn't remember whose problem he was. Yours or Shakespeares.

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Haldeman/Kissinger

1:15 pm

12/31/70

-3-

K: He wrote insolent cables after the President's TV appearance last year.

H: We will go back on that.

K: I am planning to fly back on Monday.

H: OK. We back maybe coming out.

K: He says Flordia.

H: He hasn't made up his mind. Still going back and forth. Did he say definitely?

K: That was last night. I have seen him change his mind after this degree of definiteness. When will he decide?

H: I pushed him this afternoon and got nothing out of him. It depends on Mrs. Nixon.

K: She talked him into Fla.

H: Because she has to be here on the 11th. Not enough time.

K: He says he has to be there on Tues. for the Govs.

H: He could leave at noon on Tues and come back. He wouldn't have to come back with her. He could stay through the 17th.

K: He would get a better rest here than in Fla. He will be bored in Fla. It isn't a beautiful country and I think he has out-grown it. If you could keep me posted --

H: He says these things. He said Fla. yeaterday and then shifted back to Calif.

K: I didn't argue with him because he had his mind made up.

H: He will go someplace on Tues but don't know where.

K: I would have to come back that weekend and then come back but there must be courier planes.

H: If you talk with him you could nudge him.

K: I wish I had known yesterday.

H: If she doesn't want to go, they won't.

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Haldeman/Kissinger

1:15 pm 12/31/70

-4-

K: He left the impression with me she didn't want to go. Of course, he says you can't get away from things here.

H: She g could go to Drown's house but she might not want to.

K: You can't keep them away?

H: Nope.

K: Think you will know Sunday?

H: I think we will have a feel tomorrow. He doesn't know what he will do tomorrow. He can't go to Camp David while it's snowing but he can afterwards. It will stop tomorrow.