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Secretary Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
3/19/69 10:30 am

HAK told Rogers that what the President would like is for
Bunker to arrive Saturday evening, but then not see him until
we all get on the plane Sunday morning. The idea is that
Goodpaster and Bunker would come back with us on the plane
and we could all talk. The staffs of Goodpaster and Bunker
should come on to Washington in Goodpaster's plane, and
we'll make the hotel arrangements, etc.

HAK said we haven't communicated with Bunker yet, and he
thinks this should really come thru Rogers. HAK said Rogers
should just arrange it in principle. It's going to be Andy
Goodpaster's plane on which Bunker is traveling. The Pentagon
could arrange the routing and all that. But the notification to
Bunker shouldn't come thru the WH.

Rogers asked where they are going to be, and HAK said San
Clemente (near San Diego).

Rogers said he would get message to him and tell him arrangements
will be made for them.

HAK hurriedly said just before hanging up that the President
approved the Spanish base business, but he would call Richardson
about it.

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Mr. Sisco
Mr. Kissinger

3-19-69 12:45 PM

S said he suggested that K look at his reporting cable on his first
Dobrynin conversation. K said he has not seen it yet.

S said he gathers the President did talk to Ohelert re Ayub Khan.
K said yes but unfortunately he could not stay in the meeting and
was not there when it was discussed, but he knows the President
feels Khan should be invited on a private visit after his retirement.
S said the Ambassador has the impression that the President said
Khan could be invited anytime. K said that is not true - the medical
idea was brought up and Ohelert said he did not think it would work.
If Ohelert wanted it, the President would have gone along
but once the medical thing did not work, the President said it
should be done after his retirement.

K asked how meeting with Dobrynin had gone - S said it is a beginning
and once K has seen cable, he would like his reactions.

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Professor Brzenski

3-19-69

12:55 PM

B said he was calling about President's decision on the ABM. He feels strongly that political effects of the decision will not be bad - if another decision had been taken, it would have been bad. B said if K needs a statement from an outsider he will be glad to make it. K said he was very generous and it would be very helpful. K said it would be helpful anytime B felt ready to make it. B said he was not in a position to judge scientific utility of the decision. K asked B to let him know when he had plans to make the statement and to send a copy of the text to K. B said o.k., but asked that attention not be drawn to fact that he worked for Humphrey. K said we will not make a political thing out of it and we will do nothing that is not cleared with B.

B said he was going to Europe next week. K said he would like to see him when he returns and suggested lunch. B will be in touch.

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Joseph Sisco
Mr. Kissinger

3-19-69

3:50 PM

K said he had seen Dobrynin at Czech Amb's luncheon today and
the Ambassador is being baffled about phasing his talks with Sisco
into four-power talks. K asked what is it we will propose in New
York that he will not see until after it is proposed.

S said Israeli (Eban) has asked for one further talk with the Secretary
and it will be done tomorrow. K said he had given Dobrynin no comfort
at all but said whatever S did had his full backing. S said we will
provide Dobrynin with concrete ideas we have developed before they
are circulated in New York. The plan is what was discussed
with the Israelis last week. S said Dobrynin will be provided with
statement of principles ahead of time. S said he intends to raise with
Dobrynin subject of clarification on the December 30 plan.

S said we also have to see what comes out of Jarring - we do not know
exactly how exactly what analysis will be and S does not think we can
be too precise on how to phase into New York talks. S said we
will know - it will take a few weeks. S said the key is what we really
need is binding peace for the Arabs. S said we have to keep telling
Dobrynin what it is we want and in every meeting with him S will hit
the same theme. S said it was a very interesting discussion but he
does not expect any quick results.

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Cyrus Vance
Mr. Kissinger

5:15 pm 3/19/69

HAK ventured the guess that Cy is going to work so hard as a consultant that he will plead to come down fulltime. Then HAK referred to an idea he mentioned to Cy yesterday--at that time it was a personal idea. But he has had a very full discussion with the President since then, and the more they kicked it around the more attractive it looks.

Cy asked, "How do you spend time on "a" aspects of it without "b" group knowing what is going on? How can you have time to do both adequately during the period of time you are there? These were Cy's two fundamental questions, and he doesn't know the answers.

HAK said we'd have to start from the assumption that Cy will be there for "b" and we'd have to work that out, and it's tough. He said if we go this route "the three of us ought to have some long talks so that everyone knows what everyone else is doing. You really can't slip up on this one."

Cy also brought up problem of his colleagues--how you do it and how you approach it--if you could solve that and it were clear it were limited...

Cy will call around noon tomorrow (he will be in Washington for a meeting of the Urban Institute tomorrow for a meeting that starts at 10:00--getting an 8:00 shuttle out of New York) to check if 5:30 p. m. for him to see HAK is still OK. (HAK knows he has a 6 pm meeting). As a finale, HAK said, don't let my determined friend who guards my door dissuade you.

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3/20/69 10:00

Max Frankel (New York Times)

HAK said he had Frankel's letter and is thinking about it. Frankel said that was all he wanted him to do and also wanted to thank him for all the help he gave Bob. HAK said it was a very responsible and fair statement.

HAK said he had a complaint in that the Ben Wells story was <u>contradictory</u> outrageous. There was no element of truth in it. First of all, one letter from Stanton had arrived at the Pierre and had gotten lost during the transition period. The President had personally answered another. HAK said Stanton had been on his conscience (quote) but only because of the letter. <u>XM</u> HAK said he does not have final say on NSC participation -- the President does. The President's only reason for omitting USIA was the simple fact that he wanted to keep the numbers of participants down. If USIA attended, that would mean several additional agencies would have to be added. Shakesphere is on the Review Group as a permanent invitee but not as a statutory member. HAK said he does have final say on participation and has absolutely no objection to Shakesphere being on it.

Another point -- Stanton has resigned as has every other member when a new President comes in. The only issue here is whether Stanton will stay on because of Shakesphere. The President doesn't know whether it is wise to have two CBS men head the USIA <u>parliament</u> program.

HAK said he thought newsies weren't allowed to quote people at the Gridiron and this is what happened. His quote was correct but Stanton's was totally untrue. HAK asked Walsh to call Shakesphere at 6. He finally called at 9:00 and the story had been filed.

Frankel wanted to know if there was anything about this weekend he should know that wasn't obvious. HAK said that the President felt they could get some serious uninterruped talking done on the trip out on general matters. No heavy decisions will be made. Also, that Bunker and Goodpaster would be coming in and they will meet out there.

Frankel apologized for the mess re the story and said he would take care of any action necessary to rectify it.

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12:00 3/20/69

Ron Ziegler

Ron said that Time was doing a story on Vietnam and wanted to interview Rogers but would like to set up something with HAK first. HAK said he would see Jess Cook at 4:00 for 1/2 hour.

Ron said to XXX make sure of the ground rules. They are not to quote HAK and HAK is under no obligation to be open and frank on this one -- just guide them.

Ron said that Chuck Bailey of the Minn. Trib wanted to talk to someone on the staff on the Sino-Soviet situation. HAK suggested Sneider.

Murry Marden of the Post wanted to talk to Davidson (Dan). HAK said no but the refusal should come from Davidson. He also wanted to talk to Dean Moor. HAK said he would rather wait until the 25th to settle all this.

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Secy Laird
Mr. Kissinger
3/20/69 12:50 p. m.

HAK called Laird to tell him that the President (at the meeting this morning) said he was really extremely pleased by Laird's testimony and he thinks Laird has been a great soldier. The President realizes Laird has been taking a lot of heat for him, and he is going to make sure Laird will get credit at some appropriate moment.

Laird said when he gets the word, he plays on the team. The only problem is: he wants the Joint Chiefs to meet with the President and the Chairman.

Laird then referred to a memo that Mayo and Burns sent over regarding a budget reduction amounting to seven billion dollars -- they want to cut out such things as Navy bombers, submarines, all the Minutemen -- etc. Laird noted it was the budget presented by the Budget man who wrote the story for the New Republic, and they took it word for word.

HAK said nothing should be sent to Laird (from BOB) that doesn't go through HAK's office. It had no business going over to Laird, and HAK is going to get that piece of paper. He told Laird to tell them to quiet down -- the President will never make Laird do this. BOB is out of control on these things.

HAK said he will arrange a meeting for the Chiefs with the President -- on Monday or Tuesday. Laird said he and Dave Packard should meet with the President a few minutes before the Chiefs come in.

Laird reverted again to the budget cut, and said he can cut out a few things, but he can't cut out Special Projects. HAK said you can be sure it won't happen.

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Governor Rockefeller
Mr. Kissinger
3-20-69 4:15 PM

R said he just wanted to give K a status report on the trips. R said he is in good shape on getting people. R said he has Harrar, George Wood (instead of Gene Balck), Bill Butler and John Hightower on the Arts. Also, the White House recommended Mrs. Florence Campman. R talked to Galo Plaza and he thinks it would be wonderful to have a woman.

R said he would be coming down week after next and would let K know when - perhaps he could see the President at that time.

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Secy Laird
Mr. Kissinger
3/20/69 5 55 pm

HAK talked to the President about the budget cut, and here is the way to handle it. (1) The President would prefer not to meet with the Joint Chiefs on it, but rather to meet with Laird and HAK and Mayo -- and Dave Packard (Laird interjected that he wanted Packard to be present, and HAK said OK.) (2) Before meeting with the President, the best thing would be for HAK and Laird and Packard to go through this thing together so they can present a united front. HAK already told the President this cut is impossible and that he cannot do it. It's better for Laird to go to the Pentagon to tell the Chiefs of the outcome, rather than have them here -- and if it's a question of overruling Mayo, it's better not to do it in front of a lot of people.

So the three of them would meet on Monday (HAK-Packard-Laird) and then the five of them on Tuesday with the President. The President fully understands Laird has a legitimate and major complaint, and he is very sympathetic to it. Laird doesn't like the way they picked the items. Laird also noted that Budget has never made that sort of decision before. HAK said in principle the problem is settled; the only problem now is how to get everyone off the hook.

HAK will join Laird and Packard for lunch at the Pentagon on Monday (March 24) -- Laird said "a little after 12:00."

Laird said these committee hearings are driving him nuts; today he was there from 10:00 to 5:30, and he is going on again tomorrow all day.

HAK said Laird has been a great trooper on this; the President is really very appreciative.

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3/20/69 6:20 p.m.

The President

The President said he had been talking to the (___?) people and had given Bill a call. He said the Frenchmen were certainly surprised. HAK said he was sure they were amazed. They were going to call on Dobrynin to complain. This shows they are responding to our blow. If we were to call on Dobrynin now it would be showing too much nervousness and this is something we don't want. We should use him only in the big plays or real crunches the President said. HAK agreed.

They told Lodge that they would meet Saturday. HAK said they may shell Saigon before they meet though which would put us in a good position. The President said that State or someone would probably leak the fact of the meeting tonight. HAK said now we know they are anxious. If Hanoi weren't in trouble, they would never have agreed so fast. It tells us a lot about them. The President agreed. HAK said again that they wouldn't have agreed so quickly after our blow. He added that if our domestic critics would just leave us alone for 6 months we could get something accomplished.

HAK said he had asked Vance to write a paper on the pros and cons to put before the President. The decision would then be made as to whether to see Dobrynin or not, HAK said.

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Secretary Packard

The President asked HAK to see Mayo today re the Defense
budget. HAK wanted to know if Packard would accept $800
million in addition to the $500 million he already had. Mayo
had come down a bit and the President was delighted. Then
Mayo called back and reneged. Mayo wanted a saving of
$1.3 billion and is willing to include Hubel (?). Packard siad
they weren't going with Hubel.

Packard said he thinks they should have $500 million on top
of the $500 million they have. It would be tough to accept
Mayo's proposal.

HAK said he was going to tell Mayo that he mentioned the first
proposal to the President and Laird and they are seriously
thinking about it. HAK wanted Packard to stick with him on
that point. HAK then read Mayo's note that he had just
received.

HAK said there is one thing the President is firm about. He
doesn't want to cut national defense in a risky fashion.
He said if Packard comes back and says he can't live with
Mayo's last decision, we will have to fight for more.

Packard said he would take another look at it.

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Richard Pedersen
Mr. Kissinger
3-24-69

P said he was calling about a procedural problem. On early NSSM's and NSDM's, K addressed them to the Secretary of State. K asked if that has slipped again. P said two or three have come over addressed to chairman of IGs. P said from his point of view they should go from K to SecState or to P because operational direction has to come from SecState. K said the one thing we do not want to do is to under-cut Secretary. P said one went to Farley the other day and he gave it to Mort to rewrite. K said this is not a problem.

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Senator Fulbright
Mr. Kissinger

3-25-69 9:20 AM

K said President was wondering if F could drop by sometime this week for an informal, unpublished chat on Vietnam. F said he would be delighted and asked when. K said Thursday at 5:00. K and F talked about Trudeau visit.

Briefly touched on ABM decision. K said President did not make any effort to counteract what critics were saying until after he made his decision. F said these issues are difficult ones and mentioned fault with LBJ was his intollerance of any difference of view. F said it really stiffled any seribus exchange of views and became a name-calling type of thing which was certainly not very productive of thoughtful decisions. K said he has always respected what F stands for and the President has a high regard for F - there will not be any name-calling.

F said he will be pleased to be here on Thursday and appreciates
K calling him.

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Amb. Mosbacher
Mr. Kissinger
3/25/69 9:35 a.m.

Mr. Mosbacher reminded HAK that when the President met Freeman (when the latter presented his credentials), he mentioned the possibility of Wilson's coming over to receive a degree. Mosbacher said Dartmouth's 200th anniv might be an appropriate time. HAK viewed with mock dismay that Mosbacher was another Dartmouth man, that after years of association with Rockefeller he should run into another fanatic. Mosbacher has spoken with John Dickey(sp?) and he would be most pleased. HAK said he thinks we can work it out.

Mosbacher said the dates are June 14 and 15 -- Sunday the 15th is Commencement -- perhaps 16th or 17th might be appropriate. Freeman seemed very interested. Rockefeller will be speaking, also Kingman Brewster.

HAK said fine, he thinks it's a good idea.

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French Ambassador
Mr. Kissinger
3-25-69 5:00 PM

Amb thanked K for having President receive the President of the French National Assembly. Amb said the French Foreign Minister would like to see the President when he is here. K asked whether Amb had checked with the State Department. Amb said yes. K said he would see what he could do when the State Department request comes over. Amb said he would appreciate K looking at it personally when it comes over from State - the FM will be available the 9th, 10th or 11th

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Phil Habib
Mr. Kissinger

3-25-69 5:05 PM

Did not hear first part of this call

H said he strongly recommends bringing Lodge back here next week. K said it can be done. H said Lodge fully understands that he could not come back this week, but if K could ask him to come back next Monday or Tuesday that would be good. H will stay for first day to fill Lodge in so he knows where things stand before he talks to anyone then H will go back to Paris so he will be there for Thursday meeting. K said he would check with the President first thing in the morning on this.

H asked what routine will be on Friday. K said he would talk to President about it in morning but H should certainly be at meeting and maybe give a five or ten minute presentation on standing of negotiations. K will call H tomorrow.

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David Packard
Mr. Kissinger
3-25-69

K said he thinks he has Mayo down to 800 million and asked whether P could do something on tha. P said yes. K said he does not have him signed up yet, but will press him. P said we can get 800 million if we can assume we will be able to plan on 50,000 troops out of Vietnam in FY 1970. P said they will have to figure out problem with Congress. K said they could plan on it but it should not come out. K said the reason he got Mayo down was that he said he could get a little of the troop reduction money if there was any.

P said after meeting today he would take a few minutes to show K what is involved. K said he could hold Mayo off - he will show P the memo Mayo sent to him.

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McGeorge Bundy
Henry Kissinger
3/26/69 1:00 p. m.

McGeorge Bundy called to say he had had dinner with Kay Graham and Joe Alsop, and Kay mentioned that HAK had been absolutely brilliant in his discussion with the Post the other day. Joe began poking as to what HAK had said, and then he hinted sort of darkly that there would be escalation pretty soon. Bundy said his experience with Joe has been that when he gets that kind of lead, he tries to smoke people out. HAK said this was very helpful information, because he normally does return Joe's calls. (Joe hasn't been put in charge of the war yet, but he is working at it.)

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(HAK hoped Mac would call him the next time he was in town. Mac said he was here yesterday, but at the other end of town.)

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Senator Percy
Mr. Kissinger
3-26-69 4:10 PM

K said President had noticed what P had said about his own attitude on the ABM - that it might be modified if there were some sort of device against accidental missile attack by third countries. K said President just wanted him to call P and make sure that P understood this was one of important points on his mind. P explained background of statement. It was apparently on the Evans and Novak show (which P did not see) on which he was asked whether it was conceivable that he could ever support the ABM and under what such conditions. P said his reply had been a 30 second off-the-top of the head type thing.

P said on Thursday night when he was over for Business Council dinner, President he mentioned to the President that he had had private luncheon at Dobrynin's residence last year on May 27 (which he fully reported). President asked whether he had ever invited Dobrynin back and P said yes. President said he thought it might be a good idea to do so. P said he has since called Dobrynin and he is coming to P's home tomorrow at noon for lunch - just the two of them. P went to State yesterday and talked with Toon about this. P said he would be glad to report to K on luncheon. P plans to talk about Vietnam - tremendous impatience in this country with bombing halt by public, etc. K said if P does this it would certainly strengthen our negotiating position.

K said any time P would like him to give him a rundown on ABM or Vietnam, K is at his disposal.

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Secretary Shultz
Mr. Kissinger
3-26-69 4:15 PM

S said he had received letter from Clark Kerr today re a
press conference his group is holding on March 31 - they
will urge President to make positive move for peace.
Kerr told S that it will be on the constructive side.
K said the most constructive thing they could do would be
to leave us alone for three months so we could proceed on
our own initiative. K said there are a lot of things we are
going to try to do but we have to do them when they will do
the most good in Paris. K mentioned thing yesterday with
Thieu - said this had been set for three weeks but if we had
announced it, it would have been finished. S said he would
call Kerr. K said if he is a friend of S's it would help.

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Robert Mayo
Mr. Kissinger
3-26-69 5:00 PM

K said he spoke to President and Laird and Wheeler went in to see him after meeting re the 800 million. They want 300 knocked off that and do not want to show any troop cuts. K said they are back at drawing board now. K said President told him to tell them they have to do 800 but to tell M they cannot ask for more. K said he told President M wanted a chance to present his case - K has asked Chapin for a time which he does not have yet. K said there are lot of bitter pills for Joint Chiefs later this year and President thinks he should let them win something now so he will be able to go back to them later. M asked if he is hewing to line on 800. K said they have not agreed to it yet but he thinks they will. K said the problem is they say the only way they can do it is to show troop cuts and that is last thing we want to show as budget matter. M asked if it would be of any help to send his list over to Laird and K said yes.

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General Wheeler
Mr. Kissinger
3/26/69 5:20 p.m.

HAK said that the Spanish thing got wrapped up today -- they (Spanish Foreign Minister and the President) agreed in principle -- and now just work out the details. The President and FonMin had a good session. The FonMin stated his grievances just about as strongly as Wheeler suspected he would. HAK had urged the President to emphasize his desire for close, friendly relations, and to say it was just an incident caused by the conjunction of a lot of unfortunate events. HAK thought the FonMin left with a warm impression.

HAK said to Wheeler that this is the sort of thing -- if Wheeler gives HAK a private word -- that he'll do what he can with. Wheeler said this was late; but that it was just about off the track. HAK said when it's a conservative government, they're awfully tough. Wheeler said, so they generally think along the wrong lines, in his view. He himself has a lot of values, too, but he thinks of the best interests of his people -- that's what comes first.

HAK said now that they've been tough to our friends, they should be equally tough to some of our enemies.

Wheeler was glad it all came out OK.

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Secy Stans
Mr. Kissinger

3-26-69 5:30 PM (approx)

S asked when they are going to be able to talk. K said he
understands he is coming over on Friday at 3:30. S said
he wants to talk about Special Trade Representative and
President suggested a month ago that K had information that
would help in his briefings for his European trip. K said
right - he has an hour and thinks they can handle it in that time.
S said President suggested that he get K's briefing books for
his trip. K said he would certainly get that and then they
will talk about it

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Mr. Joseph Sisco
Mr. Kissinger
3-26-69 5:45 PM

S said K will be receiving a couple more cables - they had
another session with Dobrynin today (this makes four).
S said this procedure will go on another couple of weeks then
we will have to face decision - do we really then try to
develop a more detailed "plan" which we would try out on
Israelis and then try out on Russians. K asked what S thought.
S said he did not want to make any judgments - told K to think
about it.

S said somehow or other he and K will have to find time to get
together a minimum of 30 minutes each week - S personally
feels the need to consult with K. K said at beginning of each
week his secy and S's could get together and set aside 30
minutes. S said it should be just the two of them - he will
be away Monday and Tuesday, back on Wednesday.

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Dwight Chapin
Mr. Kissinger
9:05 AM 3-27-69

C said he was calling about Augustine Edwards from Chile who is good friend of Don Kendall who is good friend of the President. Edwards will be in town and at first the President was going to see him and ask K to be present. Now President said he could not see him, but would like K to see him. Appointment would be for April 1 or 2 and Kendall will call K's office. C said Kendall did say if K were free for dinner on Saturday night (March 29) he would send his plane down for him and he could come to New York. K said he already has engagement for Saturday night unless the General dies.

K and C discussed appointments with President. K said Mayo should get in for 10 minutes this week. Clifford and McNamara within the next two and half weeks (Clifford a little quicker, if possible as we would like to stop him from publishing a speech). Ambassador Bunker should also get in briefly - K will check to see how long he will be here.

C said if the General dies, the President will probably not be back in operating x operation until the 7th as he would go to Fla from Abilene.

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Tom Wicker
Mr. Kissinger

3-27-69 10:25 AM

K said he was returning W's call of yesterday. W said he was hoping he could come over today or tomorrow to see K - K asked if it could be done by telephone. W said he was interested in K's assessment of Thieu's statement - where we stand now and where we might hope to go. K said we have a policy not to discuss negotiations in too much detail. K said you have all bloodied us on things we could have answered before - we have known about this for three weeks but to mean anything it had to be announced by Thieu and not by us. W said he was really asking whether K thought they had gone far enough as preliminary matter. K said his statement now would be enough - K thinks it is step in that direction but he cannot answer for Hanoi.

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3/27/69 11:00

The President

The President wanted to get Bunker and Goodpaster in for another talk. HAK said that tomorrow was NSC and would he want to do it today. The President said we don't have to set anything definite. If something happens at the other end (referring to Eisenhower) that would eliminate all his appointments and it would be a good time to do it. Otherwise, they would fit it in. HAK agreed.

The President wanted to know if there had been any further reports on the Cambodian leak. HAK said the only one we had was General Wheeler's and that didn't indicate who the person was. The President said he didn't want us to be restricted as to what we did in the future because of this. He said we have to realize that the American press has a complete entree to the whole communist bureaucracy. He added that it was a good thing they labeled Laird as a hawk. HAK agreed and added that RN's bad reputation was also an enormous asset.

The President wanted to know if HAK was coming up to the Cento meeting. HAK said yes. The President wanted some background on Cento. HAK said it wasn't a very vital organization. It now includes Britain, Iran, Turkey and Pakistan. The U.S. isn't a member but participates in all advisory groups. It was created as a Middle East defense pact without Arabs and originally included Jordan, Iraq, and Egypt. It was a British creation set up as a device to keep Iran and Turkey together.

The President closed the conversation.

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Gov Rockefeller
Mr. Kissinger

3-27-69 3:20 PM

R said he wanted to check a couple of things with K. Joe Carlino's brother is being considered for Amb to Venez - R is not pushing just raising. He is knowledgeable and able. K said he would see where it stands. R said he has been invited to come down for Pan American Day ceremonies on Monday, April 14. K said he thought R should but would mention it to President - he knows Pres would want R to come.

R said he sent to K today a letter from the Chilean President with a little note. K asked if he could show to President and R said yes.

K asked if R was coming down soon and R said he is hoping to come on Monday. K said he is at R's disposal.

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Secy Laird
Mr. Kissinger
3/27/69 7 20 pm

HAK told Laird he had reached Dave when he couldn't get Laird. The President sided with Laird's position when they met with Mayo this afternoon, so the thing is all cleaned up, on the basis of the letter that Dave had written to Mayo. The President didn't even let Mayo present the list and he said he had to take his judgment on the details from Laird. And since then Laird actually knocked off another $100 million. Laird said "we've gone another $100 million this afternoon. HAK said "You're great, Mel."

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8:40 3/28/69

Dwight Chapin

Dwight wanted to know if HAK was planning on going to the Hussein dinner. HAK said he thought he should be on the guest list for all the State Dinners. It would help his State Dept. relations. Dwight agreed. HAK said that the President had mentioned it to him yesterday.

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8:45 3/28/69

Jerry Smith

Smith wanted to know if there had been any changes in our course of action in light of Sec. Rogers' testimony yesterday. HAK said not from this end of town.

HAK wanted to know how things were going in Geneva. Smith said fine and that if we wanted the Seabed Treaty we could probably get one. He said a draft treaty had been drawn and would be in HAK's hands soon. HAK said he thought it should go before the NSC. Smith agreed. HAK wanted to know Smith's personal recommendation. S said he thought we should. The Soviets want to move in this direction too.

HAK said he wanted to go over Butch Fisher's paper and would call Smith back after reviewing it.

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Secy Packard

Mr. Kissinger

3-28-69 4:00 PM

P said he wanted to talk about Dick Allen and his trip and a stop in Spain.

P thinks this is unwise in view of current Spanish problem. K said he thought
we had settled that. P said they wanted a month for a little face-saving
and we agreed to that. P said if we do anything that would indicate
any action during the next month there might be some repercussions.

K said he has no great interest in Allen going to Spain and will stop it.

P said we are going to have a verdict on the Pueblo case sometime soon
and wondered if K or someone on his staff would want to be involved./
The Navy is working with various scenarios and P will get them over
to K. K said both he and Haig would look at them. P said they will
be coming over in next day or so.

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Donald Kendall
Mr. Kissinger
3-28-69 4:20 PM

K apologized for not having called sooner. K said he assumed Dwight had mentioned Augustine Edwards to K. At first President was going to see Edwards, Kendall and Kissinger, but now Dwight called to say it could not work out and would arrange for HAK to see them. Kendall said he was having a dinner tomorrow night and could fly HAK up on his plane for the dinner - Peter Flannigan is coming. Kissinger said because of Eisenhower's death it might be hard for him to get away. HAK said he is going to Camp David in the morning and expects to be back about 3:00 and asked if he could leave it open. Kendall said that would be fine - Pete will leave Page Airx Airways at 6:00 and will be flown to Greenwich, which is ten minutes from Kendall's home. Kendall said they will leave it open and K can let Pete know before he leaves.

If HAK is unable to get up for the dinner, he agreed to meet with Kendall and Edwards on Wednesday, April 2 at 12:00 N. (in HAK's office)

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Mr. Haldeman
Mr. Kissinger
3/28/69 6 05 pm

Haldeman said the President has changed his mind and does not want Bunker and Goodpaster to come up tomorrow (Saturday). He would like to see them Monday morning, he thinks, in Washington -- or possibly Sunday avening after the ceremony. It would be at the residence--not the office. The office of course will be closed. He may want to see Lodge Sunday evening or Monday morning. We should have Lodge back on Sunday. The President feels he can use time from 4 to 7 Sunday, and then Lodge Monday morning, or so.

HAK said then he doesn't want me there. Haldeman said the President wants to start work on his eulogy and will spend the time doing that. He wants some time to collect himself; he was "shook, " -- but he's in good shape.

HAK said will Haldeman let him know whenever he is ready to set a time?

Haldeman is coming back tonight, and will return to David tomorrow morning leaving here about 11:00 a.m. Rose Mary and Price will go up tomorrow to work on the speech.

HAK said he is handling the distinguished visitors here and getting up talking points etc. He mentioned that de Gaulle said he is coming.

HAK said he would notify Bunker and Goodpaster that it will probably be late Sunday afternoon after the ceremony at the Rotunda. HAK said he recommends that he sit down for 15 to 30 minutes with the President, before Bunker and Goodpaster, to go over the key points. Haldeman said he was not exactly sure about the time the President would see Goodpaster and Bunker, but have them on standby. HAK thought he shouldn't do it immediately because it will take a lot out of him. Haldeman said on the other hand he may feel he wants to talk to someone. HAK said he would have them on standby.

Haldeman said the President will not see any heads of state until after the service on Monday. Haldeman thinks we should do the reception first and then do the individuals. HAK said he really should have a buffet, and Haldeman said the President agreed to that (he at first thought if there were few enough, it could be a sit-down dinner). Haldeman said the President does not agree to serving drinks (he wants to think about drinks) and HAK said it makes it easy not to serve drinks. State argues "yes" and Haldeman feels "no." HAK's instinct is also No. It would certainly be better understood by American people if there weren't any drinks.

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Phil Habib

Mr. Kissinger

3-28-69 6:25 PM

K said Pres wants to make sure that Cabot comes back by Sunday because he wants to see him Sunday night or Monday morning. H said he would tell him Pres wants him back by Sunday - late afternoon.

K said he thought this morning's meeting went well. H said it was o.k. from his standpoint. K said he thought H did very well. H said there was one other point re phase two which is nonsense. H said he would have said it but he thought he had already said too much. H said he talked to Bunker about it and thinks he agrees with him. H said he will stay and see Cabot and tell him where thinks stand and then H will go back on Tuesday or Wednesday. K said he thought the three of them should sit down together. H agreed.

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Minister LePrette (French Embassy)
Mr. Kissinger

3-28-69 6:25 PM

K said he tried to get the Ambassador but he is in Texas - he is calling about the centerfuge project that DeGaulle is interested in. Before DeGaulle comes here, K thinks LeP should know our attitude on this and suggested that he and Sonnenfeldt get together tomorrow. LeP said he would arrange it.

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Mr. Poast (AID)

7:00 3/28/69

Poast called to give a report on the NSSM 4 article which appeared in the Times and the Post. He thought the information might have come from a man in the Economics Bureau. The man said he had been in touch with someone at the White House but didn't say when or with whom. He then talked to a reporter who had called him about a week ago to discuss the working group exercise. The Times article said nothing about the NSC meeting or the budget. But the Post went into more detail and was very accurate. P said he would be in touch with this man the beginning of the week and report his findings then. P also said that Richardson had not debriefed anyone.

The man called Bergsten at 7:00 in the evening. The Post has a deadline of 6:30. Bergsten refused to discuss any business with him anyway.

HAK said he was willing to back up P on the highway business.