TELCONE

Charles Bludhorn/Kissinger

10:58 a.m. - 7/24/72

Re: phone tree from open line
in the office at 6:00 am on
Wednesday 7/23/72

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E.O. 12938, Seci. 3.6

By: K.L.S. NAFU Date: 5/13/72

K: Hellow.

B: Good morning, Dr. Kissinger

K: How are you?

B: Very fine. Henry, did you have a nice weekend?

K: Did I have a nice weekend? Yeah, I had a good weekend. Why?

B: What do you mean, I'm being polite on a Monday Morning.

K: Oh great.

B: Henry, listen I know that to reconfirm what we were talking about. I know you will be up here on the 26th because somebody sent me some sort of a note for some kind of an affair I think you are having the 26th in the evening.

K: Right.

B: Which I can't attend because I'm going to be going to Spain in the afternoon as I told you.

K: Right.

B: But, Henry, ah if it is possible for you sometime on the 26th and you can do it on short notice, ah maybe you can come by here at the Gulf and see the Western building if that's possible. If not, I'll make it any other place.

K: Where is the Gulf and Western Building?

B: Columbus Circle.

K: Well, that's a little bit out of my way.

B: Whereabouts are you going to be?

K: Well, let me call you tomorrow and let's fix a time then.

B: Yeah, look I've got some board meetings but I'll pretty well accommodate you because I do want to see you and because I'm leaving late in the afternoon that's the only reason I'm calling you now. You have pretty well no idea yet fixed on---.

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Please read it!

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K: No. You're not going to be down here before are you?

B: No I'm afraid not. But listen, I will work it in anytime that's convenient to you. In other words, words I've got a let's see I've got a meeting tomorrow and then I got, but I'll work it any time at your convenience. You were planning to get up here about what time on Wednesday.

K: I just don't know and I have a lot of other appointments.

B: I know, listen Henry I appreciate that and believe me if I could get down to Washington I would do it.

K: How long will we need, half an hour?

B: No more.

K: OK, well I'll fix something.

B: Henry definitely I promise you no more and I wouldn't bother if I didn't really want to see you.

K: OK

B: If you can, well you don't know what time you're going to arrive here because otherwise I would, of course you will have your accommodation I would have had somebody bring you directly from wherever you land here and then you could have your own fellow take over, anything. I would be glad to send a car right out to where

K: Oh no I have a car that's not the problem.

B: Your problem is your very tight schedule.

K: Yeah. I'll work something out.

B: Look, Henry, I promise you I'll accommodate whatever else I get to make it work. All right?

K: OK good.

B: All right then you or your secretary will call as soon-tomorrow.

K: Right.

B: OK

K: Good. Good bye

The president, Vice President, and Secretary of State are cordial to-day.

The President's Office is now in session.

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By: K.L. NASA Data 5/12/72

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Rowland Evans/Kissinger

12:01 p.m. - 7/24/72

K: Hello.

E: Henry.

K: Rolly, how are you?

E: Sorry to bother you today when I'm seeing you tomorrow.

K: Not at all, you want your briefing.

E: No, I'll tell you what's happened. This thing that we talked about briefly last week is moving very fast.

K: I don't know what this thing is.

E: I'm going to ask you about it right now. We're told flatly that there's a meeting in New York on Wednesday - a luncheon meeting - in which you will explain the President's foreign policy, what you've been trying to do in the last three and a half years, what successes you've had, what remains to be done, etc. A purely non-political foreign policy pitch and they're telling me that Maury Stans is . . . . . . in for the money.

K: I can tell you flatly one thing. First, I will never participate in any direct fund-raising activity. My definition of direct fund-raising activity is if money is raised at any meeting at which I've spoken with or without my presence. What I cannot control is whether people afterwards are approached individually.

E: I understand that.

K: So that I cannot control. I checked on that thing in California of which I was accused. I found out that nobody was asked for money. I, in turn, did not know who the people were, whether they were Democrats or Republicans, and I think if anybody mentioned or asked them as Tom Braden did, they will find I didn't mention McGovern, I didn't mention the Democratic Party and I didn't mention the Republican Party as such. As long as I've been in this job about once a month I go and speak to some opinion-forming group. Hedley Donovan has arranged several for me. John Rockefeller has. Now

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K: this week I'm going to New York, actually on some other business, and I'm speaking on Wednesday night to a group that is a lot of corporate executives - David Rockefeller, I'll give you the list - and I'm speaking to a group at lunch. I will check again. If Stans or anybody raises money there I will cancel it. I do not believe it's going to happen. I've been assured it isn't going to happen.

E: But how can you control that after you've left?

K: In that room?

E: Yeh.

K: It happens that if there is a financial pitch in the room or to that group - you know I'm not playing games - if they move to another room for the pitch - I will not appear and I will get myself that assurance. I already have that assurance.

E: Well, there's no way we can control that Henry. I mean if you go up and make a foreign policy pitch and a day later or an hour later or a week later, the moneymen come after you and get the same guys together I don't see how you can control that.

K: That I cannot control. What I can control is that there's no pitch made while I'm with a group that's assembled for me while they are together to hear me.

E: I think that's all you can do.

K: I doubt that there's any chance that they could get this turnout from such a group unless I'm there.

E: The luncheon is the Gus Levy luncheon?

K: Yeh.

E: Well, this is politics, baby.

K: And I have insisted as a matter of fact. Well, at dinner there's no problem at all because it's as heavily watched as you can make anything in New York. At lunch I've made absolutely sure that it isn't a Jewish group.

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E: That's how it's going to end up though.

K: No.

E: Well, I don't know. I don't have all the names.

K: I will have the names by the end of the day for the lunch. I have it for the dinner and I will give it to you.

E: I'd like to have it.

K: Under no circumstances have I participated in partisan activities. I will not attack McGovern, I will not mention him, I won't mention the Party, I will discuss our foreign policy for the last two years and answer questions about it.

E: You're not doing any more this year than you did two years ago.

K: No, I do one a month at least. Everytime I've been in Los Angeles I talked to one group. I've done it again. I do about one a month in a different city and this is my contribution to New York.

E: That L. A. lunch during the week of the Democratic Convention - when you left that that was the end of the luncheon. They didn't stay around.

K: That is to the best of my knowledge. To my certain knowledge there was no fund raised at that luncheon after I left.

E: You are certain now, aren't you?

K: After I - When you called I didn't know what you were talking about. But then Tom Braden called and I called Taft Schreiber and I said, "Now are you sure no money was raised there?" And he assured me that no money was raised after I left. If you however talk to the people who were at that luncheon I didn't make any pitch. I answered questions. I didn't even speak at all at that lunch. I made no opening statement at all. I just said I'll be delighted to answer any questions you gentlemen have.

E: How many were there, Henry?

K: About 10.

Re: What's happening is that all of Humphreys '68 contributors for one reason or another don't like George's economic policy or they don't trust his foreign policy or they don't like his defense cuts. For one reason or another they are moving en masse over to your side.

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E: What's happening is that all of Humphreys '68 contributors for one reason or another don't like George's economic policy or they don't trust his foreign policy or they don't like his defense cuts. For one reason or another they are moving en masse over to your side.

K: Look, I don't know who contributed what to what campaign. I did not know a single one of these people there except Ted Cummings. You can check that every time the President has been out there I have had some group with which I met. This time as it turned out I didn't speak at all. I came in and said "Gentlemen, any questions you have I'll be glad to answer." They dictated the flow of the conversation. As it turned out nobody asked me what I thought of the Democratic platform, of McGovern and I wouldn't have answered the questions anyway. But the questions were entirely on the substantive issues of foreign policy. I frankly didn't know who the people were except that I was told they were senior corporation people from Los Angeles. Now let me see whether I've got the list here . . . hold on a second. They're getting the list. Let me just run over some of those dinner people and I can assure you again - what I will do is, I will speak for 15 minutes about the main outline of our foreign policy. I will then answer questions.

E: Tell me how many's going to be there?

K: I'm just looking at it. I just got that list, I haven't even studied it yet. (Pauses to look over list.) About 45.

E: Do you know ______? ______ pretty well? You don't think he'd shade the truth with you, do you?

K: If he does I'll be through with him. I have no reason to suppose it. You know there's going to be Jamieson, Hatfield, Baldwin, this is not a Jewish group at all. McConnell, Ellsworth, Wm. Evans.

E: Which Hatfield?

K: Robert Hatfield, Continental Can.

E: These'll all be corporation guys.

K: These are all big corporation guys. David Rockefeller, Philip Baker, Howard Clog. . .

E: Well, anyway I don't need that Henry. I don't need that.

H. O. MCKENZIE
President and Chief Executive Officer
of the Company

PUBLISHED ANNUALLY

DECLASSIFIED
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*

BY KELLY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20504

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K: I don't know any of these guys, but it's nothing that I haven't done before.

E: Well, I'm telling you a fact when I say that. . .

K: Look, if money was raised in California I've been lied to flatly. But Braden tells me that he checked and no money was raised. I assure you no money will be raised at the meeting on Wednesday.

(At this point the President called - Evans held while HAK talked to Pres.)

K: You know speaking out personally, what would be a crime about this?

E: No crime at all. No crime at all. The thing that's interesting to me is the degree to which Mr. Nixon and the Republican Party is - the success of dipping into traditional and historic Democratic money sources. It comes first from political support - I'd say the political support comes first from the President's foreign policy and that you and I have discussed many times. The fact that you are the most able and intelligent and the first-hand knowledge salesman of the President's foreign policy happens to fit in the overall political . . . of the selection.

K: Let me tell you what my policy is. I have no intention to speak publicly during this campaign. You know this may not hold but this is my present intention. I have no intention in engaging in private partisan activities. I will not solicit people, approach people or do anything of the kind. Thirdly I will not participate in anything that I am confident of having a partisan and fourth I won't significantly step up activities that I have already engaged in.

E: These groups.

K: That's right. You take that dinner group. A third of them were at a dinner that Hedley Donovan gave for me early in May. Another third of them were at a dinner that John Diebold gave for me last year at this time. I look for an opportunity about once a year to speak to some elite group in New York and about once a month to an elite group in some city that's convenient. I assure you - I mean you can just flatly say that no money will be raised at these sessions. Now I can't tell you that some eager beaver won't call up the day afterwards and solicit all of these guys. Well, the day after I will prevent, but the week after. There's no chance of getting them altogether unless I'm there.

The President's Office of the Vice President
for Academic Affairs
University of California
at Los Angeles
Los Angeles, California

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By: KMH, NASA Date: 5/12/04

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E: If you found out that Stans was going to be at that luncheon tomorrow, your position is that you. . .

K: If I found out that Stans were at the luncheon I would ask him not to come or I'd think seriously to cancel it.

E: Can I quote you on this, Henry? I don't know whether you want to be quoted at all, but let me just ask you because I don't think it hurts you. If anything it'll help you. If I can quote you on the California that "If this forum was used to raise money in California, I've been lied to?" I think that puts your position pretty clear. You don't know what's happened after you left town or left the hotel. How the hell can you control that?

K: Say "I've been deceived about the purpose of the meeting." Don't say "lied to" or "misled."

E: OK, Henry.

K: They'd be nuts to take me on. My position is I would like to be - you know somebody has to keep some degree of unity in this country after all of this is over and that's going to be my effort whoever wins or loses.

E: I understand. Thank you, Henry.

K: Bye.

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Max Fisher/Kissinger

1:16 p.m. - 7/24/72

K: Hello.

F: Henry.

K: Yes, Max.

F: Henry, I'm here in Washington today. I'm waiting up here at Maury Stans' office because I told you Saturday that - you know a few other people got in that act and I want to straighten this damn thing out. Can I tell you what the facts are now?

K: Yeh.

K: Now, the reason I didn't want to talk with you so much on the other day was because it's a very embarrassing thing and I'll tell you what has exactly happened on this thing so you'll know exactly the facts. I was told that you were available for some fund-raising meetings, that the way that you operate is that you'd come and speak and then when it was all over you left and then there would be some fund-raising.

K: Absolutely not.

F: Now wait - you want to know the facts?

K: Yeh.

F: I haven't talked with you about it but you want me to give it to you straight, don't you?

K: Right.

F: Because I can't operate any other way. So what happened we set up these two meetings. Subsequent to these two meetings I find that after the invitations went out Maury Stans invited himself in to these two meetings to do a fund-raising pitch.

K: Not while I'm there.

F: Wait, I'm not saying he's going to do that. I only want to give you the facts and we'll try to resolve the problem. Do you follow me?

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K: Right.

F: When I talked to you on Saturday I was trying to protect a friend of mine who I think was a little over zealous in making you available on this thing here.

K: Right.

F: And I just can't do this. My feeling about it are simply this. As far as my connection with this is I'm not going to do anything that's going to embarrass you or embarrass the President or embarrass the Administration.

K: You're very nice.

F: This is just - I don't operate that way, Henry, you should know that.

K: Well, I appreciate it.

F: Now the problem I have is - we've got these invitations out. I've been waiting here for two hours to wait for Stans and I'm going to tell Stans point blank, first of all, I don't know why he invited himself in.

K: Well, my position is very simple. If either Stans or any member of his staff is going, if there is any fund-raising going to be done in connection with this meeting, I will just not come.

F: Look, is it important enough for me to tell you what the facts are?

K: It's essential.

F: I can't beat around the bush. And I want you to know this that I am in no way guilty of ________ on this thing.

K: I will not have any fund-raising there.

F: You understand my position on it?

K: Very well, you've been a good friend. You've been very decent and very honest with me.

F: And this has disturbed me no end; ever since I flew to Washington early this morning and have been waiting for him for this thing and try to figure out how the hell this problem can be resolved because

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F: I think certain things were not fully disclosed to you which should (cont.) have been disclosed and not only that all the aspects of it. When I get through with Stans I want to get that part of it. And second we got to figure out what the hell to do - I'm going to put it right on the table as far as Stans is concerned. If he wants to do something else about it that's his problem, but as far as I'm concerned I'm going to put the facts right on the table what took place. And I wanted you to know about this thing here and I'm staying here in town before I leave for Baltimore.

K: I appreciate it very much, Max. You're a good friend.

F: Well, look I just can't ask somebody under a set of circumstances, money's not that important and as soon as I can get all the rest of the pieces put together, I'll be in touch with you. And see if there's any way we can salvage something out of this.

K: Right. Thank you, Max. Bye.

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President's Office

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Gus Levy/Kissinger

2:28 p.m. - 7/24/72

K: Hello.

L: Yes, Dr. Kissinger -

K: Mr. Levy, how are you?

L: Fine thank you sir.

K: Ah, Mr. Levy, ah we've been dealing through so many people and it has gotten so mixed up that I thought I better talk to you directly.

L: You will come for lunch, supper, ah dinner on Wednesday.

K: Yes, I will but I wanted to make sure of the ground rules.

L: The ground rules are that you say a few words, answer questions and you're excused.

K: No, no, just a minute. The ground rules have to be ground rules by which I can live.

L: OK, swell that's what I want. I don't want to do anything you don't want to do.

K: There can be no fund raising before I come, after I leave or under any conditions with this group that are assembled in order to hear me.

L: All right I buy that.

K: Second, I want no one from the fund raising staff present in other words I don't want Stans there I don't want Stans' secretary at the door checking names. I want this to be your invitation. You asked me to come and speak to a group of distinguished New Yorkers at lunch and dinner about the world situation and to answer questions from the group. What you do next week is your problem.

L: OK. I'll get it.

K: I think I would appreciate depreciate my usefulness if I get myself maneuvered into a blatant partisan position.

L: OK, I--if Stans was invited, I'll disinvite him.

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K: Could you do that?

L: Yes sir.

K: I will explain it to him.

L: OK, I'll take care of it.

K: I would prefer if Fisher came to only one of the two because he's a fund raiser isn't he?

L: No really, I mean he's a good friend

K: Well that doesn't bother me so much because--. Who is paying for this.

L: I am, personally

K: You personally.

L: Yes sir.

K: Can I take the public position that you invited me two months ago to do this?

L: Absolutely.

K: This happens to be true.

L: Absolutely.

K: And that I'm doing this for you

L: Right.

K: And not for the Republican Party.

L: Right.

K: That it is an entirely--that it is a bipartisan affair at which I'm talking about foreign policy and answering questions.

L: One hundred percent.

K: Is that agreeable to you?

L: One hundred percent agreeable to me and I'll pass it on to both Max and to Taft Schreiber and I'll disinvite Stans.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

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Roland Evans/Kissinger

2:30 p.m. 7/24/72

By: KMLV NAPA, Okt 5/12/72

K: Hello.

E: Yes sir.

K: Rolly, I have checked on this New York thing.

E: Yes sir.

K: Just to make absolutely sure.

E: Yeah

K: that there wasn't any hidden thing.

E: Yeah.

K: And first the invitation came from Gus Levy about May 1 and June 26 just happened to be the first date I happened to be available for obvious reasons---July 26. Gus Levy is paying for this out of his own pocket.

E: Right.

K: There is to be--there is no--Stans is not going to come.

E: Right.

K: Nor is anybody from his organization going to be there.

E: Right.

K: There is no rump meeting to raise money afterwards. That is rump meeting without me.

E: Yeah.

K: Nor is there any other form of rump meeting. In other words when I leave everybody leaves.

E: Right.

K: And those are the only conditions under which I would speak. And with the organizers.

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E: With Gus Levy's people.

K: Yeah. I cannot exclude--and the final condition is that this group in that form will not be assembled again to raise money.

E: Yeah.

K: Now of course I have no right to keep them from approaching them individually.

E: Obviously, I see that obviously. Even if you had you couldn't exercise it.

K: That would be preposterous. But I speak--I never speak to partisan groups--it's always bipartisan so the fact that there are democrats there--it's only what I've always done.

E: Yeah. Very good sir.

K: And on this issue, this is a very strong moral issue with me.

E: You know, you don't think they suddenly pulled back from a plan to have Stans come because of your refusal to go along with that kind of a plan. You don't think they had him scheduled.

K: I have no reason to believe that. Of course I cannot confirm, but I was also flatly assured that there would be no fund raising out on the coast.

E: OK.

K: At any rate, now that I know what the pitfalls are there will never be any question.

E: Yeah.

K: I can guarantee what will happen in New York.

E: Does the President?

K: The President, I've talked with the---.

E: For my background does he ever get into any of these things with you, Henry?

K: No, the President knows when I speak to a senior group. There is

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nothing new about my speaking to senior groups. Before we went to Russia I went to New York to speak to a group that John Rockefeller got together of the Asia Society.

E: John or David?

K: John. David has had me together with a group David Rockefeller Hedley Donovan had.

E: Yeah.

K: And this has never had any partisan connotation and in fact John and I think that if you look at this roster at the dinner you would find that everyone of them must have been over the last two years at some group that somebody else other than Gus Levy has gotten together.

E: Yeah.

K: Everyone is exactly but I'd say 75% or maybe everyone I wouldn't remember I will describe our policy, I will answer questions I will not get into partisan things I will not make any comparisons between us and the oppoinent I will do what I have always done and that is exactly what I did in Los Angeles.

E: OK.

K: In Los Angeles I didn't speak as it turned out because it was such a small group that I just answered questions.

E: OK Henry it's very helpful. I appreciate the call.

K: Right this is for your background it is not to be quoted in that sense.

E: Absolutely. I understand.

K: Good see you at the breakfast.

E: That's at 8:00 o'clock?

K: Eight o'clock.

E: At the club.

K: Right, that way I won't get interrupted.

E: You won't run into H. R. Haldeman.

K: Look come over here at 8:00. Want to come here at 8:00?

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Max Fisher/Kissinger

2:41 p.m. 7/24/72

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/13/74

K: Hello.

F: Henry.

K: Yes Max.

F: Stnas will not be there. There will be no fund raising it will just be a luncheon and dinner meeting with Henry Kissinger. There will be no discussion of funds.

K: Good.

F: We disinvited Maury.

K: Good, thank you.

F: And it's all straightened out and I think it was ill advised at the beginning.

K: Well, I appreciate it Max and you're a true friend.

F: Will I be able to see you tomorrow?

K: Wednesday.

F: I mean Wednesday.

K: Certainly. Can I call you tomorrow?

F: Yes, I'll be in New York at the Waldorf.

K: I'll call you at the Waldorf and suggest a time and place.

F: OK because I'll be free between the lunch and the dinner.

K: Right. Well I think maybe just before the dinner around 6:00.

F: Fine. Are you staying at the Waldorf?

K: No i'm not staying anywhere probably but I may go to the Sherry Netherlands too and change there or something.

F: Well whatever it is ---put in a call to Gus Levy.

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Sen. Javits/Kissinger

3:05 p.m. - 7/24/72

K: Hello.

J: Henry.

K: Jack, how are you?

J: I'm fine and you?

K: OK.

J: Instead of welcoming you back with affection I always have some goddamn business and it's always important.

K: Jack, it's always a pleasure to hear from you.

J: You had a good trip - wherever you've been?

K: Pretty good.

J: Henry, I had a call today which said that it is extremely desireable for me to send a personal representative over to see the gentleman I saw at Walter Reed Hospital some weeks ago as there are various things he wishes to communicate. Now I would do that but I obviously wouldn't do it without our government's consent.

K: Whom would you send?

J: I'd send my assistant, Lakeland. The theory is to send somebody very low profile but who can be trusted. Now before I do that I would like to send over to you a report of my visit to Israel.

K: Could you do that?

J: Yeh. Now I'm told that this needs to be done within three days and I'll tell you who gave this to me. I wouldn't like to go on the phone but I will be sure that you're informed. As a matter of fact I'll send Lakeland over with the notes and he'll tell you who asked me about this. I think you'll find the source fairly credible.

K: OK. Right.

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Senator Allott/Kissinger

4:28 p.m. 7/24/72

By: KHLW NAVA Date: 5/12/04

K: Hello.

A: XXXXXXXXXXXX Henry.

K: Gordon.

A: Thank you for answering. We have this Cooper Amendment on the floor.

K: Yes

A: Very shortly. Let me read it to you. 'Funds authorized or appropriated by this or any other for United States forces with respect to military actions in Indochina may be used only for the purpose of withdrawing our United States ground, naval and air forces from Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia and protecting such forces as they are withdrawn. The withdrawal of all United States forces from Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia shall be carried out within four months after the date of enactment of this act.'

K: Yeah.

A: Now, there is an amendment to this by Brooke provided that to the effect provided that all prisoners of war shall be returned prior thereto by North Vietnam or its allies. The statement has been made on the floor two or three times that the proposition has never been made to the North Vietnamese that we would withdraw all troops conditioned upon the release of the prisoners and I don't understand this. I think I thought I had heard that say that I heard others say it down there but has that proposition been made?

K: Well, we have in the past always coupled it with a cease fire but we have also said it to them without a hard proposition and it's been turned down.

A: That's the element I couldn't---it was coupled with a cease fire that's right and they always threw in their second thing which was the overthrow of the Thieu Government.

K: Absolutely and it.

A: OK, Henry, that straightens me out but I didn't want to let this pass.

K: Gorden, it's always a pleasure to talk to you.

A: Thank you.

K: Bye.

Request for re-evaluation of
the data on file.
Please send a copy.

Telcon
Taft Schreiber
7/24/72 - 6:42 p.m.

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/13/04

S: First, I know you are calling me but I wanted to ask you - I finally got a set of the Dobrynin prints. I got a call from Saccovitch(sp) saying that Dobrynin was going abroad that he had talked to him about the matter of the museums and that nothing should be done right now, but Dobrynin wanted him that this was in ______ that he would do his best. Wanted me to know. So I said that is great - I said I hoped he liked the pictures and he said I don't think he got any pictures.

K: He will get them when I have lunch with him this week. shall

S: Well I had another set I made up for him - so/I send him the other set? Or shall I send them to you.

K: Sent them to me I would like to get them to him.

S: I have a whole set for him of just he and me. So I will put them in the mail and you will have them. If you are not having lunch with him until after Wednesday.

K: Why don't you bring them.

S: I will bring them with me.

K: Good. Two other things, (1) Did you say that I could stay at your place on Wednesday night?

S: Absolutely, you are my guest.
I have two bedrooms and you shall have the fancy one, they are both very nice.

K: And could I go there and change on Wednesday evening?

S: Absolutely.

K: Good, terrific.

S: I figured that after we got through with the luncheon Wednesday that I would go back to the apartment.

Telcon
Taft Schreiber
7/24/72 - 6:42 pm

Re: John Schreiber's phone log
7/24/72

MAY 11 1972

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.Y. NAFU Date: 5/12/72

Page 2

K: I have something to do then.

S: Well then you come back - you can take your luggage, I have a car. We'll leave it there and then the car will take us to dinner and bring us back unless we want to go somewhere else.

K: Terrific. I may have to go back that night but I just want to keep the possibility open.

S: I am planning on that.

K: Good. Now, one other thing the a - John Connally has asked me whether we oppose the Ziffrin stand and I checked with Vince and Vince told me that you were going to talk to Ziffrin yesterday.

S: Well he was supposed to have lunch with me - he said that he would be over at the Club Sunday and I waited and he was not there. He usually comes out Sunday afternoon, but I guess he ducked me. I talked to him several times but he told Gene Wyman(?) who is also extra friendly and ______ to no end. He told Gene Wyman that I had talked to him and that I had used all my powers and that he just didn't see how he could come out and Gene said I am going to talk to him and tell him that if Connally comes out he'd make a mistake not to come out because politically Ziffrin is not that active you follow. He is not a mainliner whereas Wyman is. Wyman is not 50 yet and he has got all his - he backs all -

K: But has Wyman come out publicly?

S: No he won't do it. He is helping us privately because he is doing what Bailey(?) is doing. They all say certainly we are supporting the Democratic people and we are working very hard. But they are working only for the legislative group, you follow. They are not giving, in fact I have had four or five calls from them already that is from people he has had to call me. And in fact Gene Kline who is Tanaka's partner and Danny Swartz(?) are going to be at the luncheon Wednesday. Now they have already committed money and they are only coming to meet you. Gene Kline has said to me you know what

H. W. Taft Schreiber
President of the Republic of the Philippines

By: K.L. W. NAVA Date: 5/12/04

what
can I do to be important? Quite frankly/I think we ought
to do with Gene Kline is to have Connally have him as
his California Lieutenant in the Democrats for Nixon
because first we are going to get a lot of money from him
and from Danny, and second, that Cummins and I believe
that he would probably do a very big dinner, maybe a million
dollar dinner with a ___________, you follow.

K: Does Connally know this?

S: No I haven't had a chance to talk to him about any of these things because -

K: But you will - I don't have to

S: I think we oughta tell him is that we are getting a lot of Democrats and that all are going to be visible because we won't take them if they are invisible. They have got to put their money up and it has got to be reported because we are not going to be breaking laws for anybody and to these people I keep saying if Connally wants an organization, that is where you ought to be working. They have all said that that is a wonderful idea so if Connally wants I could come down to Washington on Thursday but I can talk to him just as easily on the phone because as we identify these people, they will really need somebody here to handle them. I honestly believe that the Ziffrin is going to really avoid the issue.

K: Well I will stay out of it.

S: You ought to. Really you are doing enough and I am afraid that some of these fellows are liable to say what do you think happened? Kissinger called me and that is all the columns would have to get, you know.

K: Well now Roland Evans has been getting information by McGovern's people that money was raised at that lunch you gave and I said absolutely not.

S: That is absolutely true. There was not one dollar raised at that luncheon. There was not one dollar asked for. All that happen after you left was the men said what can we do to help you.

Telcon
Taft Schreiber

7/24/72 - 6:42 pm

Re: [illegible text] on the right side
of the sheet
and on the left side
of the page.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295B, Seci. 3.B

By: KHLW, NASA Date: 5/12/04

But prior to that they had all committed themselves to support
the President. Nobody was there you were not ______. Nobody
was brought there to ask for money.

K: Good.

S: So, look the McGovern people are hurting and they are making terrible accusations. I called Gene Wyman this morning. It was in the paper yesterday about the people I am getting money from. I said, Gene why did you do this to me. He said, what do you mean? I said - I wouldn't talk to the man. He called me and he said I want to talk to you about the Democrats for Nixon. The money you are getting. I said, you know I am not going to talk to you about that. I do not release any information. I will not give you any information. So I said, Gene, you shouldn't have storied, now why did you do that? So he said to me, it is better for Nixon that it is in the paper than not. He said I can't give the story out. I said well you really made me feel like a nickel. To put my name on that I got money from Danny Swartz and Kline and from ______. He laughed, he said I know politics, that is good for Nixon. Some of this stuff is coming from Wyman, I'm afraid and from Paul Ziffrin. Because they believe they are helping us.

K: So you think it is coming from Paul?

S: Sure, sure these guys - well Wyman this morning admitted that he gave them the story. I said it is against my nature to ever disclose a confidence.

K: Okay. Well I just want you to know that I am taking the position
that I have never spoken at a fund raising dinner.

S: Well you're not and you won't and there is an attempt to maybe do something and Max got in it and I got in it over the weekend and they expected M. Stans for keeping it away from there. There is not going to be one word said about money.

K: Good, terrific.

S: Listen you are doing enough and if we are not smart enough to get the money after you soften them up.

K: That is what I think.

S: If we can't do that, then we are lousy.

Telcon
Taft Schreiber

7/24/72 - 6:42 pm

H. O. BROWN, COL, USA, CHG 151, box 1103
Militia State

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.6

By: KHLW NAAA Date: 5/12/04

Look, they wanted me to call Haldeman. I said not on your life.
I am not going to call anybody.

K: No we are in good shape, you don't have to do anything.

S: But I just want you to know - listen Godley called me this morning and he was nervous. I said we will never do anything to embarrass Henry.

K: Listen you have been a great friend and everything will be fine.

S: I am sure it will.

K: And I will see you Wednesday and I look forward to it.

S: Alright, wonderful.

K: Bye

S: Come right to the ________ when you get in.

K: I may do that.

S: Bye

K: Bye

H. W. Taft, Pres. of the Senate
President of the Senate
President of the Senate

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

TELCOM
Senator Percy/Kissinger
7:03 p.m. - 7/24/72

By: K.L. W. HASLA Date: 5/23/73

K: Hello.

P: Hello.

K: Chuck, how are you?

P: Henry, just fine, thank you.

K: I don't know whether Timmons is on this or isn't on this.

P: I don't think he is.

K: What I wanted to discuss with you is this Cooper vote. My problem is I see no earthly good it accomplishes. It can only do harm. It can do no good. It doesn't make you a partner, it just can only confuse them and I really don't know why the Senate is voting on it now. And I don't call you often about votes.

P: No, I know that Henry. I am just literally committed to vote for it. The vote is on right now by the way on Stennis and the Stennis thing of course strikes the whole thing out.

K: That is what I favor.

P: I'm just irrevocably committed to this Amendment and have been and publicly and I just couldn't - I don't know how I could conceivably now go against what I have said I intended to do and have said that for a year or more and again today.

K: Well, . .

P: I agree that we ought to do everything conceivable to delay this vote as long as possible and I urge that, but apparently the agreement was reached last Friday the vote is finally today.

K: Well, you know the best I can say is it may not do any irretrievable damage; it certainly can't do any good. But if you're committed, you're committed and that's all there is to it.

P: I'm afraid so, Henry, and I haven't any idea how it's going to come out. I haven't tried to head count or anything. I just don't know how it's going to be.

K: OK, Chuck.

H. W. Taft House Office Building
Room 310, Senate Office Building

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V.

NASHA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM

Sen. Mathias/Kissinger

7:12 p.m. - 7/24/72

K: Hello.

M: Henry.

K: Matt.

M: We've had an unusual afternoon up here and very unexpected.

K: You've probably done the damage already that I'm trying to prevent.

M: I guess probably so. When I walked in here today I expected to vote for the Stennis Amendment to strike but I don't see how I can having voted for Cooper-Brooke during the debate. I don't see how I can turn around and vote to strike it now and I don't see how I could have done much else than that as the way the thing unfolded.

K: Well, my problem is, you know, speaking as an individual not not as a Presidential Assistant, I do not know what thoughtful people think they are accomplishing. It can only do damage. It can do no conceivable good while we are negotiating with them.

M: Why did we let the damn thing comeup at this point?

K: Well I don't know the parliamentary strategy.

M: No, that's where. . .

K: Did we have an option to prevent it?

M: We could have.

K: How?

M: You can prevent these things up here forever.

K: I have absolutely no way of judging.

M: But we came up with a whole new set of circumstances this afternoon; something we didn't expect. Henry, is there anything that you can tell me in terms of the situation that . . and we're pretty darn near the end here and I don't know what the vote is anyway.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

It appears there is open business
with the Air Force in some sort of
Militia unit?

By: KMLW

NASA Date 5/12/04

2

K: Look, I cannot in good conscience tell you that we are making progress in the negotiations. I can say that for the first time we - I can at least-see how we can really make it and it just seems to me that these people have tough decisions to make which are mostly affected by our domestic situation. Any ripple on the water that may make them say "Well, let's wait another month to see how this comes out." is just not helpful.

M: Yeh. Let me get back on the floor Henry and see how close it is and we'll consider it prayerfully.

K: OK.

I know we can prevent this.
I have absolutely no

But we came up with a
something we didn't
tell me in terms of it
the end here and so

The President's Office in the Senate
the Vice President's Office
the Senate Chamber
the House of Representatives
the Chamber of Commerce

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.L. / NAFI. Date: 5/12/84

TELCOM

Dr. Arthur Burns/Kissinger

7:15 p.m. - 7/24/72

K: Hello.

B: Hello, Henry, how are you?

K: OK, Arthur, how are you?

B: All right. Look, not being able to get you I talked to Peter Flanigan. The Brazilian Finance Minister is in town and he has a letter from President Medici to Mr. Nixon and he'd like to deliver it in person and he doesn't want more than two to five minutes.

K: The President I know he will say no. Will he deliver it to me?

B: Well, I don't know. I left the message with Peter Flanigan. He probably will be in touch with you about this. So you do what you can. You might let me just remind you that President Medici saw me recently, he saw Connally before that.

K: I'll do my damndest. What's the Finance Minister's name?

B: It's Del Fenetto.

K: Oh yeh. Did you see Schiller - not Schiller, Smith when he was over here.

B: Yes, would you like a copy - I have a memorandum of the conversation.

K: I'd love to have it.

B: I'll send you a copy because he's a good fellow. I had a very good talk with him. Look, did you get a copy - I sent the President a copy on my Latin American trip, did you see it?

K: I haven't seen it yet, no.

B: Well, I sent him a long report, it's very interesting and I think important.

K: I will get it.

B: All right and it's much too long - you know I wanted to talk to you for months.

The President's Office in
the State of Illinois
Receives Mail?

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1295A, Sect. 3.6

By: KMLV NASA Data 5/12/04

2

K: I know it. My life has been so impossible. Let me see when we can do it.

B: I think it's very important.

K: Should we try for 4 o'clock tomorrow?

B: Just a minute. 4 o'clock tomorrow - just a second my secretary will check. No, I can do it.

K: Let's aim for 4 o'clock. Where should we do it?

B: Either place - your place or here.

K: Well, it's a little easier for me here when I have appointments both at 3 and at 5.

B: I'll be glad to come over, but don't keep me waiting.

K: Well, I'll be with the President at 3.

B: If there's a delay let me know because.

K: How far away are you?

B: Not very far away. I can get there in five minutes.

K: Why don't I call you the minute I leave the President's office.

B: That's fine. That would help. I'd appreciate that.

K: Good. Thank you, Arthur. Look forward to seeing you.

B: Thank you, Henry.

K: Bye.

A call to you

in months.

Telcon
Joan Brade/Kissinger

7/24/72 - 7:25 pm

OCLASSIFIED
E.O 12950, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L. NASA Date 5/13/74

K: Joe has become a great admirer of yours.

B: Really? Oh that's nice.

K: I am beginning to worry about you.

B: You know something, you don't have to worry about anybody.

K: I didn't think -

B: How about that?
I am your Toyalist friend.

K: I know that - and there has never been a trouble period when you weren't my friend.

B: And the non-trouble periods.

K: In the non-trouble periods it is easier.

B: Yeah, it always is.
Even when I look in tonight's paper and they called me Eleanor Braden.

K: Did they, where?

B: In the section Meldon Dixon(?) That Eleanor Braden wife of columnist not Tom Braden but just wife of columnist and he said that you table hopped and due to the fact that we only tried to get out of the restaurant, I thought it was sort of unfair.

K: I have to read it.

B: Oh, it is nothing. It is fine - you are in good hands.

K: Joanie on Friday night I have got the British Cabinet Secretary here. He is a good friend and Nancy will be down and I wondered - I thought I would take him to see the Pleasure of His Company. And have dinner afterwards and I thought I would ask Dr. Fairbanks to join us.

The position of Vice President for Academic Affairs
and the Chair of the Department of
Public Relations is open.

OCLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

Br. MLV NASA Date 5/13/84

TELCOM

Laird/Kissinger

9:20 a.m. - 7/25/72

K: Hello.

L: Hello, Henry.

K: Mel.

L: Say Henry, Dan told me that you were disturbed about a memo I sent over to you.

K: Yeh, I'm beginning to think that after having gotten along for three and a half years you are determined to have a brawl and I don't understand it.

L: I can't understand why you're upset about that. The problem was that Ken Rush came in here along with Gardner Tucker and briefly had a meeting saying we had 24 hours to respond to this thing or they were going to set up this three group thing.

K: No, no, here is what...

L: You know at breakfast we didn't talk about that.

K: No, no, I was under enormous pressure from Weinberger all day to line up with him at this meeting and Gardner got two things mixed up. What I thought we should do - I said - what I said at the DPRC was "Let Defense work out its plans." And the only thing I requested was that they be worked out in terms of national objectives rather than forcing us into nitpicking every individual item which I thought was a way of avoiding some of these debates. Second, I said that before we have the next DPRC meeting rather than have this presentation thrown into a huge interagency forum that every goddamn guy can then leak everything that's being said, there could be a three group - OMB, we and you looking this thing over together so that when we get into this DPRC meeting where Gerry Smith and State and everyone else may be loaded for bear we have an agreed position. Basically I'm not out to cut your budget, Weinberger is.

The President of the Republic of China

Receives Special Visit

by the President of the Republic of China

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KVL NASA, Date: 5/12/04

2

L: Well, you see Weinberger came over here and I spent about 3 hours with him and he wanted me to set up this special thing that he and Bob Moot (?) would work together and consult during the period of time and so I agreed to it.

K: I have no objection. What I'm trying to avoid which in the long run is better for you is where they go into the President and say "Knock out 3 destroyers and substitute one torpedo boat." You see what I mean?

L: He agreed in our little meeting that isn't what he wanted to do. Do you think he's backed away from that?

K: I think - all I'm asking for is the same process we had last year. In those debates I'm certainly going to line up with you - not with Weinberger.

L: Now you don't think we should meet with Weinberger the way we are then?

K: No, I think - well there are two types of issues. One is on the sort of housekeeping, technical details I have no objection to your meeting with Weinberger, but I think what we should basically do is to go over it as we did last year just so you can do a tentative program of your own.

L: Yeh, and we'll have that ready the first of September.

K: And in that I won't interfere at all. Second, once you've got that, then I think we should have some meetings with Odeen, Weinberger, or Haig, Weinberger and Moot or whomever you delegate. Perhaps Tucker should be part of it, but you designate whomever you want.

L: I would rather have Moot because Moot is the.

K: Then you have Moot, but what I'm trying to prevent is a situation where we go into this DPRC meeting and everything is up for grabs and there is no agreed position among the key elements. I'm not going to take any of this to the President at all. You determine when it goes to the President. The President won't get involved until the thing gets dropped in its normal way and comes up as a DOD submission.

Re: [subject line] in the upper left
of the Sheet 1 of the residential
DPRC meeting?

By: KHLW NAMA, Date: 5/13/04

3

L: Well, I don't think we have any problem here but the memo that I sent you yesterday had to do with the setting up of this special group of just Ken Rush, you and Cap Weinberger and quite frankly ...

K: No, what I would prefer is Odeen, Moot and whomever Weinberger has - Dam, I guess, until - as a preliminary to the DPRC meeting after you get your program into reasonable shape.

L: It's hard to talk those issues with Ken Dam - maybe he's got somebody else over there.

K: I'd be delighted - I don't care who it is over there.

L: Ken is a helluva fine guy but he hasn't gotten really involved in force structure and things like that yet.

K: Yeh, well whoever is appropriate I have no interest in Dam.

L: Well, Dam is fine but I think Cap would be. . . really is better. Is Cap pressing on this? Didn't Cap think I was cooperative?

K: Well, Cap is pressing me to make sure he gets his input into your program and that's fine with me. I don't object to his. . . what I don't want to have happen is that there are a lot of practical negotiations then the whole thing comes to the President and into the DPRC and then we've got to go through the whole process again of putting it into strategic concept ____.

L: How about doing this Henry - how about you and Cap and I talking about this just a little bit because I just don't want to get - I'd like to get these issues things decided by the first of September and then have a review of the whole thing. . .

K: When do you want to do it?

L: I'll get together anytime. Do you want to get together today?

K: How about Thursday?

L: Thursday I'm not going to be here - What about Monday?

K: Monday I'm not going to be here. How about a week from Wednesday?

The President's Office
The State of Illinois
Department of Public Instruction

By: KML V
NNSA Date: 5/12/04

4

L: A week from Wednesday is fine.

K: You name the time.

L: All right, why don't we do it say at 9 o'clock.

K: All right or do you want to have breakfast?

L: All right, let's have breakfast a week from Wednesday. Do you want to have it over here?

K: I'll be glad too.

L: Why doesn't Cap come over here and join us then.

K: Good. Excellent.

L: 8 o'clock, a week from Wednesday. This would be no problem but I thought I had only 24 hours...

K: Oh, god, no the 24 hours arose from a different thing. Weinberger wanted to come charging right over to you with a list of things he wanted done. I said, "Why don't you wait until I talk to Laird and we can see how this thing can get set up?" But that solution you just suggested is exactly the way to do it.

L: OK, let's do that and we'll have breakfast a week from Wednesday.

K: Terrific.

L: Fine, Henry. That memo was not an attempt to - I let Ken read it and I let Gardner read it and they both agreed that this was what I had to do. I had to do it within 24 hours.

K: I may have mis... That was a misunderstanding.

L: OK.

K: This was primarily to keep Cap under control. You and I have an understanding on how to proceed.

L: OK. Very good. That will just work out fine and everybody'll be happy and we'll get this thing on the track.

K: OK, Mel, we're going to get through one Presidential ______ without a brawl.

The New York Times and The Times of London
Published Daily

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1293, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.Y. NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM

Doug Fairbanks/Kissinger

9:50 a.m. - 7/25/72

K: Hello.

F: Good morning, Henry.

K: Doug, how are you?

F: I'm banging around slightly being up still sort of writing and rewriting this damn thing I've got to do today at the Press Club.

K: It was good to see you Friday evening.

F: I loved it.

K: Look, I'm taking some friends to see your play on Friday evening including Sir Burke Trend, the Cabinet Secretary of Great Britain. I was wondering whether you would like to join us for dinner afterwards.

F: That's terribly sweet of you. I may have a friend with me.

K: That's fine. And we'll probably go to La Grande Scene which is that restaurant upstairs at the Kennedy Center.

F: Oh, I've never been there.

K: That would probably be the easiest for you. Why don't we plan to meet there then. It's on the top floor of the Kennedy Center.

F: Fine and dandy. Goody. I think you've met my friend. Matter of fact she was with us the night we went out with Freddy in New York.

K: Who is she?

F: Her name is Brigitta Tog______. You met her the night we went out with those people in New York.

K: Oh yes, of course I remember her very well. Marvelous, yes. That will be very nice.

F: Fine.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

The President's Office in the Capitol
Building, Suite 5200, Washington, D.C. 20566
Telephone: (202) 638-1919

By: K.M.L. NASA Date 5/13/04

2

K: Good, where will she be sitting?

F: No, she's been to the theater; she was just going to come around afterwards.

K: Well, then we'll see both of you right afterwards.

F: Great.

K: And we can then make allunch date for next week.

F: Wonderful.

K: Tentatively Wednesday is about the best for me.

F: All right. That'll be fine.

K: Why don't you hold that?

F: I will indeed. Thank you so much.

K: And I'll see you then on Friday evening.

F: Right.

Hqudwoy Inos uj pue lqujodh ik
ajqajus jo 'jusnoj
Mecurois uol

OCLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

Telcon
Kay Graham/Kissinger

7/25/72 - 12:12 p.m.

By: KMLV NAFU Date: 5/12/04

K: Kay how are you?

G: Henry, welcome back.

K: Thank you.

G: So, how are you?

K: I am fine. Kay, I called you on the off-chance that you might be in town Friday night. I have a superb friend who is the British Cabinet Secretary here and I was going to take him to the Kennedy Theater to see The Pleasure of His Company and have dinner afterwards. And I have asked Douglas Fairbanks to join us, and I think the Bradens.

G: Oh I would love it - now let me just take a look. Good I can be there.

K: Good, you would be his date.

G: How marvelous - I was determined to come - I was perfectly willing to move something but I don't have to.

K: Oh marvelous. Have you seen the play? If you have just join us for dinner.

G: No I haven't seen Douglas Fairbanks no, no, no.

K: Well come and sit through the play by all means.

G: No, I would like to go to the play.

K: Let's say 7:30. We will pick you up.

G: Because we are going somewhere for dinner.

K: 7:30 is when the play starts.

G: We'll have dinner afterwards.

K: Pick you up at 7:15?

G: Marvelous - now who is your friend?

K: His name is Sir Burke Frend(?) He is British Cabinet Secretary that sort of my equivalent in job except he is permanent.

The President's Office in the Senate
The Senate of the Republic of Palau

---

BY ORDER OF THE PRESIDENT

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 1293, Sept. 3.6

Telcon
Kay Graham
7/25/72 - 12:12 pm

By K.H. V. NAVA Date: 5/13/04

K: You know he runs the bureaucracy.

G: Yeah.

K: He is an outstanding man - really a fine person.

G: Listen that sounds great.

K: I am very fond of him. I have asked the Bradens and I asked Douglas Fairbanks and a girlfriend of his that is in town to join us.

G: That sounds just terrific.
Very very good.
Listen -

K: I have become so good that I don't even harass you anymore when you __________ goes haywire.

G: Well listen I thought we supported you in a rather more important area yesterday.

K: You were superb. I liked two editorials on both the Mansfield and the Cooper amendment.

G: Yeah I thought that might be a help.

K: It was a help and it was really greatly appreciated.

G: We'll any money go into our bank?

K: Actually yes. Well you don't need any money in my bank but.

G: No, no I meant in the other bank.

K: I think so. I have brought it to his attention.

G: As you know I have nothing to do with him I read it up here.

K: This is premature but if we win the election I really want to talk to some of my democratic friends to see how we can cut off that civil war. We can't go through four more years of tearing each other to pieces in this country. You know this is senseless to do this before the election but once it is over we really need to

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have a broader base and he won't run for reelection no he can't
run for reelection so everyone can really worry about how to
have a ______ reconciliation. You know -

G: Well the war, Henry, you know.

K: I know -

G: It is not even politics is it?

K: No I think that though is going to end. Maybe not before the election but.

G: Where are you now going? You have been to Paris?

K: It is a little premature to tell, it really is. Where are you?

G: I am in New York. We have to do a whole bunch of things up here like the little girl has an analyst meeting tomorrow. Oh these serious things that I can't do.

K: Marvelous I will see you Friday night then.

G: Okay Henry that cheered me up and I look forward to it. Thank you so much.

K: Not at all - I look forward to it.

G: Bye

K: Bye

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K: Right. That way you'll get another night's sleep. You spend 3 days there?

R: 3 days there - the 11th, 12th, 13th and fly back the night of the 13th.

K: Well, that will be marvelous.

R: And the Prime Minister and Minister of Defense will be there.

K: I think that will be great. It will be over a weekend, won't it?

R: Exactly. You did quite a job on those Russian troops?

K: A little premature. It's three months too soon.

R: Yes, but it created a very favorable atmosphere.

K: Yes. Nelson, one thing I wanted to ask you is how well you get along with Waldheim.

R: Very well.

K: I wondered whether on a personal basis you could warn him against getting himself involved in Vietnam because we'll just have to smash him if he keeps this up.

R: I think that's a good point.

K: This is a crude way of putting it but it's true. This is just too important for us to have him. . .

R: Is he back yet?

K: Oh yes, he's back and he made a statement yesterday attacking our bombing. And we just can't have that.

R: I saw it in the papers.

K: He didn't say anything when the North Vietnamese attacked the South.

R: That's a very good point.

K: And it's in his own interest because we can kill him. We'll just get Passman to withhold his appropriations next year.

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R: That's a good way because I've been working on that.

K: If you could find a tactful way of saying that to him.

R: I can do that with no problem at all.

K: Well, I think it would be a big help because we wish him well - there's nothing against him - but this is the biggest game in town for us. We can't have Waldheim throwing our domestic opposition into a worldwide Communist movement.

R: I'm just making a note. I'll call him.

K: That'd be nice and you know you can do it from a posture of affection for him.

R: Well and I've been working with him on his appropriations, too.

K: Right and he knows my good will towards him.

R: Yes, and he was very grateful when I arranged that.

K: We had a good time. We had a good talk.

R: What's the guy's name on the appropriations? Gurney (sp?)

K: Yeh. Good, well if I see you tomorrow - will you be in the office at all around 3:00.

R: I'll be in the office all day.

K: I might be able to drop around then if I can't make it later.

R: All right, let me know. Henry, more power to you. This is an exciting time. I had a nice talk with Nancy yesterday and - well, you and I will visit.

K: Good.

R: It's a pleasure.

Re: phone tree, who is the open to call, and what is the problem?

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Tom Braden/Kissinger

3:28 p.m. - 7/25/72

K: Hello.

B: Hi, Henry.

K: Listen Braden, did you call me paunchy in print when I just lost 7 pounds? My proudest achievement this year.

B: Yeh, but I said you were handsome.

K: I know but most people just look at the first adjective. So I want you to know it's an example of the one-party press and I suspect that Mankiewicz made you put that in.

B: (Laughter) Mankiewicz. . . . . by now. Well, Henry, when you lose about 5 pounds more I'll . . .

K: I hope you write a retraction.

B: I'll write a retraction, yeh.

K: Well, I'll see you Friday night.

B: Good, so I hear.

K: Good, I have no complaint about the article. To the best of my knowledge they never did raise money, or did they?

B: No - yeh, oh sure, he called them up later. You didn't tell me anything I didn't know.

K: Yeh, but not at that meeting.

B: No, no, I hope I had made that clear.

K: You made that clear. I didn't know who was going to be there, but it wasn't an article against me; it was an article that dealt with some of McGovern's problems and no, I didn't take this as directed against me. Except for the bloody adjective, you know it's awfully hard keeping my reputation that way.

B: Henry, you can't be a Presidential Assistant and not have people say what you are doing and...

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K: Yeh, but paunchy for Christ's sake.

B: Ah well, but. . .

K: I don't give a goddamn what you say about me otherwise but. . .

B: (Laughter)

K: Handsome, that went over very well. It's no more than the truth but it went over very well.

B: OK.

K: Nice to talk to you.

B: OK, Henry, so long.

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TELCOM

Laird/Kissinger

3:32 p.m. - 7/25/72

K: Hello.

L: Mel, Henry.

K: Mel, a minor thing. There is a fellow who is a close friend of Clare Luce's called Wendell Phillips - I don't know whether you know who he is. He's an independent oil operator.

L: Yeh I know.

K: He was just in to see me and he wants to see you for 5 minutes. He's got some project in Yemen and I just wondered whether I can send him over because what he wants I can't help him with.

L: Do you want to send him over this afternoon?

K: Or tomorrow, whichever you prefer.

L: Tomorrow I'm going to be out in Milwaukee. If he's around he can come over this afternoon.

K: OK, let me see whether I can find him and if so I'll send him over. I told him to call me back tomorrow morning.

L: On another matter, Henry, as long as you're on - I know you're going to be out there in Japan.

K: I'm not going to be in Japan.

L: I mean meeting with the Japanese in Hawaii and if you could, Henry, the ceremony for Jack McCain is on the first day of September and I think it would be nice if you could attend that ceremony. The man that's relieving McCain is a very close friend of Bill Rogers who is participating in it and that is Geyler. And both Geyler and McCain - I have a message in here from McCain to see if perhaps the President couldn't present the medals on that day.

K: Send me a little note. I'll do my damndest.

L: It'd be a helluva nice thing and the Japanese might even enjoy attending the ceremony or review.

K: Well, they might not want to do it but whether they do or not let's see whether the President can do it.

Re: Is it possible to get a copy of the original
of the photos in the document?

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L: OK and if the President can't, then would it be all right if Rogers presented it.

K: Sure, but let's try the President first.

L: OK, all right, fine.

K: Send me a couple of lines on it.

L: OK, the third point is - and then Rogers could stand by if the President doesn't. And what time would it be best? It's scheduled now for 4:30 in the afternoon on the first.

K: Well, I'd keep it in the afternoon but he might want to move it up a bit say to 2:30 or 3.

L: The other point is Henry, I understand that there are some recommendations floating around here that we released the 12 pictures of the dams and dikes we hit.

K: I wouldn't do that.

L: I think it'd be a helluva mistake, Henry. That's just what Hanoi wants because then every week we'd have to start releasing pictures of things we hit.

K: No, I wouldn't do it.

L: OK. Well, I'm going to call Bill Rogers and suggest they don't do it.

K: No, I'm against it.

L: It's all right if they want to release that report at CIA but take that stuff about pictures out of there because from then on we'd have to release the pictures of anything else.

K: I agree completely.

L: OK, thank you.

by attending

not let's see

Ms. Stewart Alsop/Kissinger

Publicity Staff

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Mrs. Stewart Alsop/Kissinger

3:45 p.m. 7-25-72

By: K.L. W. NAVA Date: 5/13/04

K: Hello.

A: Hello, Henry.

K: Chris, how are you?

A: Fine.

K: I just want you to know I haven't forgotten the parsley juice.

A: I know I was out a great deal of yesterday.

K: The trouble is that the biologist who concocted it.

A: Yeah.

K: Is in the South of France and my friend is calling him tomorrow and he'll call me then from Los Angeles.

A: That's wonderful, Henry.

K: In the meantime, why don't you get some at health stores?

A: Yeah and I know he does take some pills everyday which have acids and stuff in it which I know support the red blood cells.

K: Yeah, well this was concocted 8 years ago so maybe they got pills for all of this now.

A: Q They might have.

K: I checked with this girl who, if I can repeat sinful x things actually lived with that boy and he had a very substantial remission for 2 1/2 years.

A: Well, you know, you never can tell, I mean obviously you know remissions cures come from a lot of natural byproducts.

K: And you know, it could be just a coincidence. On the other hand it certainly can't do any damage. Look--

A: It certainly can't.

F: Bye.

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K: We will call that man. The difficulty she wants to call him when the x wife isn't there because she thinks it would be terribly upsetting.

A: Ah yes, well, you know.

K: To have to discuss it. Well all I want you to know is I haven't foregotten it.

A: Well Henry.

K: I called Sunday evening and I'm there are less drastic means. She told me they went out every day to collect parsley and then put something to it and put it together with some other stuff.

A: That would be with other, yes with something else. Well, you let me know.

K: How is Stewart?

A: You let me know and we'll try it out anyhow.

K: How is he.

A: Well, he's kind of exhausted this week. He had a much more severe reaction last night than he's had for quite some time. His temperature went up to over 105°. So, he feels tired today.

K: Are you coming to tonight?

A: No, he thought he'd just stay home today, he's a little pooped.

K: Yeah.

A: It just leaves you feeling like a piece of string, you know.

K: Well, tell him I think of him with affection and ah.

A: I will indeed. I am sorry we're not coming this evening because I think in fact it would do him good to go out but he really does feel

K: Well, tell him as soon as he's worth corrupting again I'll take him to lunch, but I'll be damned if I waste a lunch on an unwriting columnist.

A: Henry, you'll have to give him a couple of weeks then. OK, I'll tell him Henry.

K: OK

A: Thanks a lot. Bye

K: Bye.

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7/25/72 - 3:50pm

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K: Hello.

M: Henry.

K: Mac how are you?

M: Alright, very briefly I know you have got some people there. Are you aware that we have got this war cycle started all over again.

K: I am trying to understand what the advocates think they are accomplishing.

M: I want to be with you too. And I want to work out, remember I told you, I thought if we could get something as we did in the NATO thing. We can draw the fire and we can do it. Now we just dropped the ball and didn't get it done the last time. If it is convenient for you and I will do whatever you say, I'll call Bill Timmons and work with him and try to get it set up.

K: Which direction is your ________ turning?

M: I had two thoughts before, one of them involved some gesture in the direction of involving the United Nations more heavily, which would give us a place to go which I don't think would be offensive to the President's policies in any direction. In other words we would talk about international ceasefire.

K: I am trying to understand - do these proposals cut off economic aid after four months.

M: Nothing that I would propose would. But really what I am trying to do as you know is to set up a lightening rod. One that I would hope would do some substantively good but which also creates a better parliamentary situation than we had to deal with yesterday. I had a date with General Faig(?) and we got off the track on that and I take the blame for not coming back at him and pressing for it and suddenly we found that the ________. But let's not have it happen on this round.

The President's Office in Washington, D.C.
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TELCOM

Mr. Army Archard/Kissinger
4:26 p.m. 7-25-72

K: Hello.

A: How are you?

K: Fine, how are you?

A: Good, thank you. Selma and I were wondering if you would perhaps be available to a little party we're having at our house on the 31st. I don't know where you'll be, but

K: August 31st?

A: Yeah, we're having a little gathering for some of the people in the business and to welcome home ah the Follies Group that just opened

K: Oh, God damn it 31st isn't that when we're meeting the Japanese Prime Minister? I will be on the west coast in that period actually.

A: Unh huh.

K: But I think the 31st is the day that we will be in Hawaii.

A: Oh.

K: I will be there from the 25th thru the 5th except for that evening.

A: From when?

K: From the 25th of August through the 5th of September.

A: I was talking about the 31st of this month, July.

K: No I won't be there.

A: Oh, well.

K: It's a pity I would have loved to come and if you give me a chance when I'm out there I'll really I'd love to come.

A: You'll be there from the 25th to the 5th.

K: I'll be there from the 25th of August you know give or take a day until the 5th of September.

A: I see

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Dwight Chapin/Kissinger

7/25/72 - 5:08 pm

K: Dwight?

D: Yes sir.

K: Are you planning the Hawaiian trip?

D: Yes.

K: Could you at least, until I have a chance to raise it with the President consider whether we could go for half an hour to the retirement ceremony of McCain. It takes place September 1.

D: Okay.

K: And we could depart from there, you know.

D: Well, what time is it? Do you know?

K: Well, they will set it for whenever we want it. It is now set for 4:30 pm which is probably late for us.

D: Yeah it is.

K: What are you thinking of in terms of -

D: I haven't even got - just haven't gotten to that yet. Let me check with Mike _________ and then I will get back in touch with you so that you can raise it properly.

K: Right.

D: Okay?

K: Where are you thinking of holding these things?

D: I really haven't been able to focus on that - I have just got back into town late last night and I will get cranking on it.

K: Just keep that half hour in your mind.

D: Okay

K: Thank you.

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Bob Semple/Kissinger

5:50 p.m. - 7/25/72

K: Hello.

S: Hello.

K: Bob.

S: My what a treat.

K: I have been plagued more with this question in the last 48 hours. Where in the hell does this crap come from.

S: I don't - well there was that Braden thing this morning and then one of our Wall Street reporters.

K: Well let's take first the Braden thing. On every visit to Los Angeles. There are two things that I do. One is I go to the Los Angeles Times for a backgrounder say twice a year and I have somebody get together a group of leading people in the community for me to talk to them about our foreign policy which has to partisan connotation, it has no fund raising context. I have done that three previous times in my trips to the West Coast. On one of those Taft Schreiber was the host and at another Henry S was the host and on a third yet another group was the host. And this was the fourth. The meeting with that group that Braden talked about, he was right in every respect except that I wasn't standing I was sitting at a luncheon table. I wasn't giving a speech explaining our foreign policy I was answering questions. There wasn't even an introduction by me I just said Gentlement I will answer your questions.

S: Right.

K: And that is what happened in Los Angeles. There was no fund raising before, during or after, at the meeting, now I cannot tell you after I got through and after I had left and these people were disbanded, they weren't called afterwards. That I cannot tell you. Now let's go to tomorrow.

About three months ago, end of April around the first of May, Gus Levy ask me to come to New York for a session with senior executives, and then when he went through his list of people he wanted he said it would be best to have two sessions, one for lunch and one for dinner.

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This is consistent but again what I would do is say about once a month. I have done it for Hedley Donavan twice for John DeBold who represents an investment firm once, for John Rockefeller twice, for David Rockefeller once, again for the Council on Ford's Relations - this is not a new thing.

S: Right.

K: This thing for Gus Levy was long before this political thing got started. And the only reason it was set for July 26 because if you look at my travel schedule, this is the first week I was available. Which now unfortunately coincides with the beginning of our campaign. Now, when I was asked that question yesterday I called up Gus Levy just to make sure that there would be no fund raising before, during or after, no fund raisers present no officials of the National Committee, no White House personnel, in other words it was exactly what I thought it was. I will speak for fifteen minutes about the substance of our foreign policy and then answer questions. I will not discuss the President, George McGovern, the Democratic Party, the Republican Party or the campaign. This is what this is about.

S: Now is Max Fisher going to be there?

K: Max Fisher is going to be there to the best of my knowledge, at least at one of the sessions. I ______ the list this morning of who is going to be at what. The evening looks to me primarily Anglo Saxton. The lunch looks to be primarily Jewish.

S: Okay.

K: Now those are the facts. The next question is am I going to do this constantly. The answer is no I have no other thing like this planned for several weeks. In fact I have nothing like this planned until September, now in September I may go down to Houston to speak to an elite group down there. But that is not definitely set yet but this is something that is hanging over since February and that I have had to cancel several times. In other words if I do one or two of these a month that's a lot.

S: Well I think that Max Fisher presence as one of the co-hosts is what originally stirred the interest in tomorrow's affairs.

K: Well one trouble with these people is my knowledge is that Gus Levy knows. Max Fisher no doubt - now a lot of people are going to try to get in on this thing. And claim that they are co-hosts.

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Taft Schreiber

7/25/72 - 7:35 pm

K: Hello.

S: Henry, Taft.

K: Taft how are you?

S: Fine how are you?

K: okay.

S: I am in New York and I wondered what time you are coming up
tomorrow? I could send a car to meet you.

K: No I don't need a car - I have my own transportation.

S: Alright, what time will you be at the hotel? Are you coming right
to the University Club.

K: I might drop by between 11 and 12:00 at the hotel.

S: Then I will be at the hotel at 11:00.

K: But I have to see Charles ______ at 12:00. Could I ask him
to come to your hotel?

S: Absolutely.

K: Could I see him alone there?

S: Absolutely.

K: It might make it a little faster for me. He wants me to come to his
office which he is proud of. And if I have the time I may do it but

S: Well whatever you do - I am going to go - I have a 8:30 doctors meeting.
I will be through at 4:30 I will spend 45 minutes at the office and then I
will

K: What is your room number.

S: 2201

K: I will have to go back at night.

S: You are going to have to go back now. Oh I thought you - maybe we