September 27, 1972

President of the Republic of Mexico

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

TELCOM

The President/Mr. Kissinger

8:25 p.m., March 27, 1972

P: How are you feeling?

K: I am feeling good. In fact, the best I have for a long time.

P: Good, good. Just back from your trip and had a great vacation.

K: A great vacation in a very pleasant place and a very secluded place.

P: Did you go swimming?

K: I went swimming and out on a boat almost every day. It was really marvelous.

P: Good, good. It was a good time to have had a few days off. Now you can get a new look at things and get on with the battle.

K: Exactly, Mr. President. Since I wasn't around, I could see the jackals kept on the domestic side of things.

P: On ITT, you mean. That's really something; just keeps on and on and on.

K: And they don't have anything except the memo of a 5th level unraveled woman.

P: She now denies it. Well, it's just one of those things.

K: I talked to the President of Mexico.

P: Echeverria.

K: He asked me to come over to Mexico City. Your impacts are there. Everybody is speaking about your foreign policy.

P: He will be here on the 15th of June, won't he?

K: The 15th of June. He will be very helpful in Latin America. He certainly has every intention of being helpful.

P: Too bad you had to come back, huh?

K: We have to get the summit in shape.

The President of the Republic of the United States of America

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

TELCORN

The President/Mr. Kissinger

8:25 p.m., March 27, 1972 -- page 2

P: Well, we have kept everything in limbo for the last week.

K: I notice now that Dobrynin has surfaced those things in official channels.

P: He has?

K: He has been playing the game and kept it divided among various departments.

P: Right.

K: I will see him this Thursday. I just spoke to Haig briefly. On the Middle East, get it done before the election and brutalize them after the election.

P: That secret deal still concerns me.

K: That's the problem -- not to do it at the summit but conclude it a little later. There will be less time for it to blow.

P: That might be but I don't want to raise the opportunity --

K: We have made very concrete propositions to them. It is now up to them. We have got to get the Soviets out of the Middle East.

P: We can talk about it. We need to get a plan to know what we are going to do. That is one area we want to take charge of the policy and run it our own way. State is looking at it in terms of just the Middle East. We are looking at it in terms of the Soviets.

K: That's it.

P: We've kept Watson afloat.

K: You are really very generous. He is a spoiled brat.

P: The fellow has been allowing his private life to be surfaced. We all know this sort of thing goes on but for Christ's sake, you don't go around surfacing it.

K: He has behaved very unwisely.

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The President of the Republic of Mexico

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

TELCONE

The President/Mr. Kissinger

8:25 p.m., March 27, 1972 -- page 5

P: Maybe we can get something ready by then. Throw it to the OAS?

K: That would be a total waste.

P: He can make suggestions on what we can do and we can come forth with a Communique that has ____.

K: He wants to visit cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, San Antonio. He thinks you are the greatest world leader and remember I didn't ask him. I thought he would bug us about salinity and the Colorado River because the Foreign Minister raised it with me but he didn't.

P: You mean he sees the drama of the big event.

K: All the Mexicans were watching the China trip on television.

P: Oh, did they?

K: At some of the dinner parties there were leaders of Mexico who think it is extraordinary.

P: You are right. This city is such a poisonous area; so different from the rest of the country, and the world actually.

K: You are successful in foreign affairs so they are hitting you on the domestic side. These are all great sensations in Washington but I can't believe outside of Washington it cuts it.

P: The purpose of Teddy Kennedy and these guys -- the point is the reason that it is so silly -- in a way it doesn't involve Mitchell or Kleindiest, there is no personal gain; nothing to do with that. They do create the horror that we are playing footsy with big business.

K: They will try that.

P: Glad to have you back! Did you get a tan? Did you lose any weight?

K: I think I gained weight.

P: Goddammit, you shouldn't have ate all that food!

K: I haven't felt so good in ages.

P: Have a good night's sleep and I'll see you tomorrow.

K: Right, Mr. President.

Hegedus Tzelem elon lech
in the Name of the Lord
Maccabees 16

TELCONE

Secretary Rogers/Kissinger

12:32 p.m. - 3/28/72

R: Hi, Henry.

K: Hi, Bill. I just wanted to give you a quick rundown on the meeting with Hussein. Nothing new on the political side. He just presented his plan. He read about a 45 minute statement to begin with. The first 10 minutes was the condition in the Arab world which he claims is good and his relations are improving. He then presented his plan which added nothing to what we knew and said the Israelis had rejected it and, in a low key way, asked for support. But in a general way asked for nothing specific and asked if we had ideas. So the President said you had been handling it and to discuss it with you and ask you for ideas. He put more of his emphasis on the $56 thousand financial help.

R: You mean more than what we budgeted?

K: Well, Bill my problem was I didn't know. I think more than what we budgeted. At any rate he needs some assurance on $56 thousand. The President did say we would do the maximum and they would issue instructions that way. If he could get some indication from you before he left it would be a big help.

R: We have given him ________ since the trouble he had.

K: It is on top of that.

R: $167 million is pretty good. We had planned from Fiscal '75 almost $100 million.

K: Has he been told that?

R: I don't know. I'll tell him in any event.

K: Yes and if you would tell him the President took a personal interest in him.

R: I have got to calm down the President. He gave Erim the impression we would give any amount he asked for and we simply can't do that. We don't have that kind of money.

K: I didn't get the idea. . .

The following are the records of the meeting, and nothing contained in them shall be used, reproduced, or transmitted without the written consent of the meeting participants.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.5

By: K.L. WASHA, Date: 5/12/04

- 2 -

R: It was a classified figure, but I will let him know in any event.

K: Secondly, he was asking for military assistance and some plans on which he said he had some preliminary directions. He doesn't want to threaten the Israelis but would be in a better position with other countries. Again the President said he would issue instructions to you to be as forthcoming as we can permit.

R: OK. On the plane itself - the President didn't make any comment, did he?

K: No, he made no comments on the Israelis part. On the negotiation part he said in a general way we were in favor of meeting that contribution to help stabilize it. We don't want to do anything to hurt the plan.

R: We sent over a draft statement for Ron Ziegler to make. Have you seen it? Is it satisfactory?

K: I haven't seen it.

R: I think it is a pretty good statement.

K: On the plan?

R: It sort of fuzzes that. It doesn't approve the plan. On the other hand we welcome any attempt that would lead to meaningful discussion.

K: He also had some information on Jordan Rally (?) Development. He talked about . . .

R: On the plane thing?

K: Is there such a thing as a 5E or 4-E. ?;

R: Yes.

K: He just said there was some discussion on that with the Pentagon and anything we could do to expedite it would be helpful.

R: Did he talk about the gulf?

Question 1. How is the report located?
2. How is it located?
3. What is the format of the report?
4. What is the format of the report?

By: KHLW
NWSA, Date: 5/13/04

K: He thought the National Liberation Movement there was being set out of South Yemen therefore he had more military assistance.

R: Good. We have wanted to be more in the Gulf area.

K: In general the President listened and when he talked he asked questions to indicate support and shift it to you for the reasons you know.

R: Turning to a couple other things - Dave Abshire told me you did a good job this morning.

K: I tried to make clear we were working closely.

R: Well, Dave thought you did a good job. Al Haig said Ted Eliot was concerned about the *Newsweek* article. It's one of those things that's going to be written about but I don't think the President should be...

K: I think we should take the position we are all doing it together. It actually was brought to my attention by some people here.

R: Let me say this. I think a little attention at a low level in the State Department that we are working together with you and the President is a good thing. The Democrats are trying to make an issue out of this. I got a letter from Dean Rusk on this today. It certainly is not harmful.

K: Actually it was an AP ticket which triggered that. Jerry Smith is on the State Department payroll, therefore any SALT agreement will give them credit. You know that is the sort of thing that gets people.

R: All this is <u>very</u> small. If the thing works out the President will get all the credit.

K: I wouldn't worry about it. If you and I are together then all the rest is just subsidiary bureaucratic stuff.

R: That's what I say. What counts is the President, how effective our foreign policy is and what it means for peace and security in the world.

K: You said that publicly in fact.

H. J. S.UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF staff

MILITARY

By: K.M.V. NAVA Date: 5/12/04

R: On this Poland thing. I don't have any interest in going there.
When I talked to the President he said __?__ wanted him to
stop but he indicated he didn't want to.

K: I think he is leaning toward it now.

R: Well, he indicated at the dinner the other night. . .

K: Well, everyone understands why you sent the telegram.

R: OK, that's fine.

K: On that Bill, there is no question in his mind at all because I talked to him about it this morning. He is going to make his mind up about that the end of this week. If you can let me know about the military and economic side before the dinner tonight, Bill, please let me know.

He took a personal interest

He gave Erim the impression
and we simply can't do that.

H. W. SHERMAN
Sergeant Major, U. S. Army
Retired

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.Y. NAFU Date: 5/12/72

TELECON

Gerry Ford

3/28/72 1:55pm

K: I just wanted you to know when you start complaining to your friends you get action. You will get an invitation from the Chinese-- in fact it's on the way to you, you and Hale Boogs.

F: Oh, that's great. I am thrilled about it.

K: We went to the Chinese that week. I just didn't want to say it until we had a reply. They have now transmitted you a formal invitation which State will give you x, so be suitably surprised.

F: Sure will.

K: But I wanted you to know it was a result of the President's personal appeal.

F: Thank you -- I know you had a major part in it.

K: No, but you were right -- there is no one who is going that we would rather have go than you.

F: Before we go we would like to come down and spend some time with you.

K: Of course -- that's taken for granted. If I were you I would plan to take my wife and a staff member.

F: I would like to take Betty. The President said there would be government transportation. That gives me the flexibility to take Betty and maybe even a staff member.

K: You will get transportation to not into China, but to the nearest place. They don't want American aircraft flying all over the place -- that was the case when we were there.

F: Did they give any indication of when?

K: No, but my best guess is you would like to have it be in June. Mansfield and Scott go in April, and you don't want to be there when we are in Russia.

F: No.

K: From our foreign policy point of view the best time is in June.

F: I think the early part of June. I will talk to Hale.

The President's Office
The State of New York
Department of State

TELCOM

Cong. Boggs/Kissinger

2:22 p.m. - 3/28/72

By: KHLV NAFU Date: 5/12/04

B: Sorry, I wasn't here when you called.

K: Hale, I called you because a few weeks ago, if you recall, there was some flap about the visit to China by Mansfield and Scott and we recognized you were right. We therefore appealed to the Chinese and we didn't make too much of it because we weren't sure of their reactions. They have now transmitted an official invitation to you. You can visit at your convenience. My recommendation - it is entirely up to you - but I am sure they would be delighted if you brought your wives and maybe a staff member along. We will give you a government plane to the nearest port of entry. We can't get you in because they don't want U.S. planes flying around China.

B: Well, I'm just pleased to know this, Henry. I'll talk to Jerry.

K: You will be notified officially by the State Department so indicate you are fairly pleased.

B: I am pleased.

K: I mean that I haven't talked to you in great detail. I've got enough troubles. I'm delighted you are going.

B: I am pleased to death and I expect to get some briefing before we go.

K: Oh yes I'm at your disposable. The invitation is open-ended so my suggestion is to go after June 1 because you don't want to be there when we are in the Soviet Union so August or June whatever you prefer.

B: When Jerry and I talked about it with the President we looked at a date after the Democratic National Convention. That would be around June 18th.

K: We would like to send you there during the Democratic Convention because you will be a constructive force there.

B: (Laughter) Thank you very much. Let me get together with Jerry.

K: From our point of view if you can hold off as long as that, that's when the foreign policy situation would be more clarified. I talked to Jerry and I mentioned June because I thought you would like to go before . . . Well, when is the Convention?

Hanoi, Vietnam, June 12, 1976
given by the人民共和国
President, Ho Chi Minh

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: KMLV
NASA Date: 5/12/76

TELCONE

Harold Gibbons/Kissinger

4:00 p.m. - 3/28/72

K: Harold, how are you?

G: Fine, thank you.

K: I understand the North Vietnamese are getting ready to surrender.

G: I don't know but I had a wonderful visit.

K: They are an interesting people.

G: Very interesting and I assume you got a message from Vientiane
asking for an appointment when you are free.

K: No.

G: It was an Eyes Only message from the Ambassador there.

K: To me?

G: Yes.

K: No, what I got was a message you wanted to call on Rogers and I couldn't understand it.

G: Oh no.

K: Well, see what I am up against?

G: Rogers came up in a conversation with the Ambassador in terms of
his visit to China. That he felt he was pushed in the background a lot.

(At this point, Tom Pappas came on the line)

P: Hello, Henry, how are you? Can I talk to you?

K: I am talking to Harold right now.

P: Oh, fine. Finish talking to him and then I will talk to you.

(Pappas leaves line.)

The New York Times and the open line to
the President of the Republic
PRESIDENT'S OFFICE

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: KVL WASHA, Date: 5/12/04

K: They said that he had been pushed into the background.

G: Yes, it was just sort of a comment.

K: It is nice of your subordinates to say that about the boss.
They should keep their mouths shut. How long are you going to be here?

G: I am available whenever you can see me. I would like to talk to you along and then if possible you talk to the whole three.

K: My problem is I am pretty booked up today. How long do we need?

G: I think 30 to 45 minutes; the better part of an hour.

K: How long are you going to be here.

G: I will be available at your disposal. I have an invitation to be on the TODAY show in New York so I may stay over.

K: I see. You can't do breakfast tomorrow?

G: No, I will be on that TODAY show unless it would be late.

K: Harold, why don't you come over at 4:45, that gives us 35 - 40 minutes.
Come at 4:30. If I get free then I can see you earlier.

G: Fine.

(Pappas comes back on the line.)

P: Hello, Mr. Henry, how are you? I wish you could see this man -
the Minister of Culture.

K: I told you I just got back from vacation and I'm going out of my mind.

P: Any day you want - just 10 minutes.

K: Have somebody call my office on Thursday morning.

P: I think he wants to talk to you about religion in Istanbul.

K: I will do my best.

H. W. REED, CHIEF, DIV. OF TECHNICAL RESEARCH

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

Walter Judd

Palo Alto, California

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1295A, Sept. 3-6

TELECON

Walter Judd

3/28/72 4:30 p.m.

By: J.H. W NASA Date: 5/12/72

J: You didn't; I didn't suggest you had. . . . . two years ago. . . . .

K: I remember exactly what it is now.

J: ________ said your former ________ to which he belonged.
said maybe I can come myself. You remember Joe Sisco.

K: Oh, very well.

J: We meet April 28. Business meeting and reunion.

K: Almost impossible for me.

J: Then the boys unanimously wanted you to come back. . .

K: You're terribly nice. It's almost impossible for me; I think the
President will be on the West Coast, and I will be with him. But can I
keep it open as soon as I know the President's schedule I will let you know.

J: If you could keep it open. . . It was a great opportunity because
of the things that are happening. It would be 2:30 to 4:00 or 3:00 to 4:30.

K: It would have to be as early as possible. I have an engagement
in Montana that evening.

J: Oh. Well, we can't have it in the morning. Got a business meeting.
I doubt we could hold it in the morning. On the other hand, if you can do
it at 10:00 we could have the business meeting afterward.

K: If I don't go to the West Coast, or the President doesn't, I will do it
at 10:00.

J: When will you know?

K: By the middle of next week.

J: That's good. You're most obliging.

K: Will you call me the middle of next week?

J: I'll be glad to.

The President's Office
The White House
The President's Desk
The President's Office

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12950, Sect. 3.5

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/12/64

TELECON
Amb. Raza

3/28/72 4:40 p.m.

K: I am seeing you at noon tomorrow.

R: Good. Did you have a good holiday?

K: Yes, very good.

R: Tomorrow you are meeting him. If I am not asking for too much I am thinking if you and Haig could come and have pot luck with us.

K: Unfortunately I am tied up. Tomorrow for dinner you mean?

R: Yes. Possible for lunch the day after tomorrow then?

K: Day after I can't do it either.

R: Would you send Haig?

K: I will do my best.

R: I will ring him up.

K: You ring him up and I will urge it on him.

R: __________ going to see the President?

K: I am trying, but I think it best if I do it without an formal appointment.

R: Then I will see you about noon tomorrow?

K: Yes.

4:45 p.m.

R: Sorry to bother you sir -- apologize.

K: All right.

R: Tomorrow he would like to talk to him for 15 minutes.

K: To whom?

R: The President if possible. If not, tomorrow, the day after.

H. W. SHERMAN
SECRET

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.B

TELECON
Amb. Raza

3/28/72 4:40 p.m. p. 2

K: I will do my best, on an informal basis.

R: For 15 minutes, Could you come to lunch tomorrow?

K: No, I am just back from my vacation and I've been scheduled
for luncheons for two solid weeks.

R: Then I will call Haig.

HON. COUNSEL FOR THE APPEAL
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
STATE BAR NO. 1016100

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

TELECON
Senator Fulbright

3/28/72 4:47 p.m.

By: KHLV NASHA, Date: 5/12/04

K: Mr. Chairman.

F: How are you?

K: Okay. I am seeing you at 5:30 as I understand it, and I wanted to tell you on a personal basis, as you may or may not have heard, our lawyers villently object to the keeping of a record, and so I just want you to know I am prepared to do anything within reason, but I have to stay within the rules others lay down for me. I don't care what notes anyone takes. It was my office -- not anything you had requested.

F: I thought this was a good compromise.

K: Their legal position is once you keep a record then it's a hearing, and that's what they don't want to have.

F: I always thought that was the purpose, to have a hearing and proceed in this way to establish a principle acceptable to the Committee.

K: I have to tell you honestly, I hope you won't quote me. I want to work to work out a system for the Committee to feel it meets its responsibility in talking to me.

F: That's what I thought we had done.

K: I am eager to be helpful. I didn't submit it to our lawyers. I told it to our Congressional people and they told it to our lawyers. I have had the god-damnedest hell raised with me all afternoon.

F: I just had one of our New York Times guys -- Cy Sulzberger, you know him -- in here and he said 'why don't you clear this matter up by subpoenaing Henry Kissinger and getting him to reject it and go to the courts and clean it up?'

K: I don't think we want a confrontation.

F: Well, he was urging it.

K: Let me do this Mr. Chairman. I can't do anything about it this afternoon. But I will have a talk with Ehrlichman and those who object to see whether we can find a formula in a way that meets both of our needs.

F: Do you wish us to come on today?

K: Yes, I would be more than happy, and I don't care what notes Marcy takes, and if he gets it all down verbatim that's his problem.

F: Well, we'll see what we can do -- do the best we can. HK: Okay good

H. W. SHERMAN, U. S. ARMY
SOLDIER
OF THE YEAR
1963

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3-5

TELCONE

Lawrence Marks/Kissinger

5:25 p.m. - 3/28/72

By: KMLV NASA Data 5/12/74

K: Larry, first there is no chance of doing this dinner on Sunday, is there?

M: No, we have other people coming all set for it.

K: Look, let me get back to you tomorrow morning. I have got this British friend with whom I made an arrangement and I will let you know before noon.

M: We have got even more conflicts on Sunday night.

K: What you are telling me is there are others you insist more on having.

M: No, Henry. You have a dinner engagement with this fellow from Britain?

K: Yes, but I will switch it. It's tough though.

M: I will wait for your call tomorrow.

K: What I would like if you agree is have you pick up Nancy and take her up and I will fly up to White Plains.

M: We can bring Nancy up.

K: What time is dinner?

M: People are coming about 7:30 and dinner will be about 8:30 or quarter to 9.

K: I might not make it at 7:30. I will do my darndest. You will hear from me tomorrow.

M: I am going into a board meeting so I will not be available from 10:30 on.

K: The Mosbachers are my favorite people and I would really like to come. I will call you tomorrow afternoon. And it is informal, right?

M: Right, you just come right off the plane and we can take care of Nancy in 10 different ways.

K: One is enough. I will call you.

H. J. Haig, Jr., and Mexico City
Marvin Kalb/Kissinger

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12959, Secr. 3.6

TELCONE
Marvin Kalb/Kissinger
3/28/72 - Mid afternoon

By: KML V NAFU, Date: 5/12/84

MK: Listen, I am calling you on our project.

HK: Look, Ziegler was supposed to arrange that-the 2nd is out of the question. As I told Haig from Mexico I just can't do it. And I am not so eager to do half an hour on a Sunday night for a meet the press type of show. You know that's not what I understood you to suggest. You know Sunday is not a good night.

MK: I don't want to disagree with you Henry, but Sunday is a very good night.

HK: That's the sort of argument I don't want to have. That's what Ziegler said. He feels Easter Sunday night is not a good night, but that's immaterial because I can't do it then anyway. The following Sunday I could but you can't.

MK: Would it be possible the week after that?

HK: No.

MK: It's not?

HK: No, but actually the core of our people here feel I shouldn't do it Sunday night at all.

MK: Let me do this.

HK: Our people feel two things. First, I shouldn't do it for a half hour but an hour. Second, I shouldn't do it on a Sunday night but some other prime time night. That's what our people say. You debate that with Ziegler.

MK: Let me go back to my people and give them the essence of what I shall call Ziegler's comments.

HK: Yes, bill it as Ziegler's because I don't know anything about what a good time is.

MK: I think the information about a Sunday not being good is wrong but let me go back to my guys and go better.

HK: But if I don't do it on the 9th I may not be able to do it until the last Sunday of the month is it's got to be a Sunday.

MK: Well, let me go back to them and see if I can get them . . .

HK: Check with Ziegler, not with me.

MK: Right.

Husqville, MI, 23131
U.S.A. 480-826-6888
Facsimile: 231-826-6888

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Rev. Graham/Kissinger

3/29/72 - 9:10 a.m.

K: Good Morning, how are you?

G: Fine, thank you. You are going to meet with us this morning?

K: Yes, at 10 o'clock.

G: Well, that's very kind of you. I wanted to tell you something about these people. They represent about 75% of the missionary personnel in the Far East and there will be several there who have spent most of their lives in the Far East. There will be none totally opposed to the China Policy but I thought I would give you that background. It will be an interesting group of people and I think you will have a great impact on them. Many of them are people who have written articles in the religious press.

K: And they want me to talk about the China policy?

G: And the Indian policy.

K: All right.

G: One was brought up, no born in Pakistan but is Indian and he will be there. He is probably the closest youth speaker on the circuit at universities and colleges at the moment. He will probably have a lot of questions.

K: So why don't I talk about those two subjects when I talk and then answer questions.

G: Very good. You don't have to talk very long at all. Do you want me to give a little introduction?

K: If you felt like it. It might be nice to set the tone.

G: All right. Oral Roberts will be there. This is the first time he has been this close to the President and the White House. I think it is very important in the religious sense today and I think it would be nice if you give him an extra shake of the hand.

Husqville, France, the 19th of April

The President of the Republic

Naples, April 19, 1972

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/27/72

TELECON
Secretary Rogers
3/29/72 11:30 a.m.

R: The Pakistan minister you are going to see later today?

K: I don't know what about.

R: He is going to give you a hard sell on renewing supply of military equipment to Pakistan.

K: That's not on.

R: He said they have to have arms to negotiate with India. He will give you the hard sell. I told him this was a Presidential decision and under the circumstances it was tough for us to consider such a program. I think an encouragement would be harmful.

K: I won't give him any. I have serious doubts that even the President, who is very pro-Pakistan is even thinking about it.

R: Couldn't do it. We were . . . How was . . . . . ?

K: Abshire has probebly briefed you on the evening session.
kpinted: One point I made was to say that . . . . . . .

R: I think Bill Armstrong is very good.

K: Is he from Columbia.

R: Maybe before. He used to be a foreign service officer. He was Vice President of the Junior Chamber of Commerce, so the business community likes him. He's articulate and sensible and he gets along with everybody.

K: Good. I have no intention of doing anything but listening and I even ducked seeing him.

R: I wasn't calling about that but I gave him a real negative. I didn't say no, but I told him that it would be very difficult.

The President's Office in the Senate, House and Executive Yuan

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TELCOM

Harold Gibbons/Kissinger

4:12 p.m. 3/29/72

K: Listen, I understand you are going to head a movement to end the war in Vietnam. Is that true?

G: Well, we are going to start a peace movement. But what I wanted to talk to you about. I am going to do that TODAY show tomorrow but in the afternoon I want to bring my colleagues in. We brought back with us a movie . . .

K: Tomorrow is a bad day because I may go up to New York in the evening.

G: Could we do it Friday or Saturday?

K: Where will you be?

G: At the Warwick Hotel in New York tomorrow. But the best bet is to call my secretary here in St. Louis.

Re: question about the message in
the copy of the document
Publicity File?

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TELCONE

Mel Elfin/Kissinger

4:20 p.m. - 3/29/72

K: Mel, I have a message from our intermediary, Scali.

E: That's some intermediary. I was expecting Elijah and I get Kissinger.

K: Elijah tonight? Oh, oh Jesus! Listen, you send religious illusions at me. I thought it was a girl.

E: That's the title of the book I'm going to do.

K: Well, if it was a girl.

E: We saved you in Mexico City.

K: Thank you. I got a message you wanted to see me. Can we do that next week?

E: Next week, fine.

K: Let me make a second suggestion. There are so many people running around with a story. You know it isn't the sort of thing that makes a lot of difference but it isn't accurate at all. I know with you it would be unintentional.

E: Look, I made an attempt to talk to your people.

K: Well, it's the sort of thing that only people in Washington would care about but I think the best thing, the best way to handle it is to go through Haig or me.

Re: telephone tree in the office
and, if possible, at the command
Pilot/Engine Room

T ELECON

B rad Morse
3/30/72 9:05 a.m.

K: I called because I neglected the other morning when I saw
you to congratulate you and tell you how much good you are going to do
in this new position.

M: You are very kind, and I think you for it, and I will do the best I can.

K: I know you will and I hope to see you.

Re: phone call with open house
sks, Rev. and Pres. of Comm. Mgr. of Comm. School

By: KVL W. NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Rev. Graham/Kissinger

9:45 a.m. - 3/30/72

G: I wanted to thank you for yesterday. That was absolutely tremendous!

K: Aren't you nice.

G: I called around to find out from the key people who were there and they were tremendously impressed. I talked to ______ who has his doctorate in history and it had transformed his view on the subject.

K: Aren't you nice.

G: I want you to know you did so much for us.

K: I want to thank you for letting me meet with this group.

G: These people have a vast influence in sections where it will be helpful.

K: Well, you are very nice to call.

G: Thank you and God bless you.

K: Thank you and I hope to see you when you come to town again.

The President's Office of the Vice President
for the President's Counsel
and General Counsel

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TELCONE

Roland Evans/Kissinger

10:47 a.m. - 3/30/72

E: Listen I am going to write this but I wanted to check with you.

K: Why check it if you're going to write it.

E: Your judgment is so valuable to me.

K: But you are going to write it no matter what I say. OK, go ahead.

E: I was told that in connection with your answers to questions about Bill Rogers you agreed that he should have been at the first Mao meeting but that was set up quickly and only ceremonial.

K: No.

E: Let me tell you what I've got. And that he definitely was scheduled to go to the second possible Mao meeting but . . .

K: No that's a little bit wrong. I said we thought it was a ceremonial meeting only and that for this reason we didn't go to ________ efforts because what usually happens at these meetings is the two leaders shake hands and that is all. But it turned into a substantive meeting.

E: So that obviated the second meeting.

K: Yes and if there had been a second meeting and if it had gone the way we thought it would, there would have been no question. I said we all regretted it turned out that way.

E: Well, it's not important but it is interesting. I have been out of town. Nobody's done any real story on your briefing.

K: I tried to be conciliatory on Rogers.

E: Well you were. How was Acapulco?

K: It was great.

E: You should have stayed at the Alamand.

The President's House
The President's Office
The President's Desk
The President's Table

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K: I was at the Alamand place. I stayed at the Escondan House. I like it better. I would rather get the view. I was at a beach almost every day.

E: Did you do any water skiing?

K: No.

E: Well next time you go down I will show you how to start off the beach on one ski. I can teach you that in three days. Who was there with you? off-the-record.

K: Listen, I don't give anybody blackmail possibilities.

E: What are you going to do now? Be here until you go to China?

K: Yes.

E: Do you think I can have breakfast with you next week?

K: Certainly.

E: I had two hours with Dobrynin on this Moscow thing.

K: I know. I put in a good word for you. I asked him if he wants to help me get you out of the country.

E: Can you do breakfast with me?

K: Yes.

E: Should I call somebody?

K: Yes, call Coleman Hicks.

E: Coleman Hicks, OK.

H. J. Kissinger, Phone #414-411-2140
E.O. 12950, Sec. 3-6
Naples, Indiana

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12950, Sec. 3-6

By: K.L. V. NASA Data 5/12/94

TELCOM

Kraslow/Kissinger

11:45 a.m. - 3/30/72

HK: Dave.

DK: How was Acapulco?

HK: Great!

DK: You needed that.

HK: Oh, badly. I didn't know how badly I needed it until I got there. Dave, I wanted to ask you as a member of the Gridiron - my parents are coming down and I wanted to take them to the reception. I don't know how many tickets one is entitled to but I wondered if I could get two extra.

DK: You want three in all?

HK: All together I need - myself plus three others. Nancy Maginness is in town too.

DK: Let me get a hold of ________ Wilson.

HK: You will take care of it?

DK: I also would like to see you either late this afternoon or next week.

HK: Perhaps next week. I want you to know it's independent of whether or not you get the tickets.

DK: I am going to go to Wisconsin for the Primary and will be back on Wednesday.

HK: Well, either late this afternoon or next Thursday or Friday. Perhaps next week.

DK: I will get back to you.

H. C. BROWN, Chairman
Sergeant at Arms
McDonough Staff

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E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.6

By: K.L. V. NAFU Date: 5/12/64

T ELECON
Senator Stennis
3/30/72 11:55 a.m.

K: Mr. Chairman, I think we can do what the President suggested I discuss on the telephone.

S: All right.

K: Because I know you are leaving later today.

S: If you don't feel free to do it on the telephone I can arrange to come by.

K: Oh can you? If you can come by that would, of course, be even better.

S: What time do you want me to come?

K: Why don't we say 4:00 or 4:30?

S: Could you make it 3:30? Where shall I come to?

K: Shall I send a car for you?

S: No, I am going to Walter Reed and I will swing back by.

K: All right. To my office, the North west entrance, where you go to see the President -- the same entrance.

S: Just tell them to bring me to your office?

K: That would be marvelous Mr. Chairman. Good.

It is possible to send a message to a person who is not present.

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TELCONE

Marvin Kalb/Kissinger

4:30 p.m. - 3/30/72

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/13/74

MK: I just wanted to leave that word with you which I hope you got by now. I just said what I thought should happen and much to my astonishment CBS was in total agreement.

HK: Yes, I did see it. I might want to move it to the 27th. Could I do that?

MK: I don't know. I would have to get back to my people. We have got a Thursday night.

HK: As you know my colleagues will now say 9 to 10. Is this the same time as a movie?

MK: This thing comes before the flick.

HK: Listen Marvin, I don't know what a good time is or whether one night is better than any other. I recognize this has been a labor of love on your part.

MK: A labor of respect.

HK: Well, you did it because you wanted to do it and I recognize they have extended themselves. Let me just check with Ziegler and Haldeman. In terms of my schedule it may be the 27th is better than the 20th but let me take a look at that too.

MK: Well, we have a firm commitment now from them.

HK: Are they doing it live?

MK: Any way you like. It can be live or taped exactly to time.

HK: That's right, but taped exactly to time means we could do it at 6:00?

it is done

MK: That means it was as though it were live/in a single attempt and then put in a time slot.

HK: Right, in one hour. I don't want more tape than that.

Re: [insert telephone number here]

Mr. John Smith
President of the Executive Council

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By: KJL W. NAFH, Date: 5/12/04

MK: I am really excited about it. I think we are fairly close.

HK: That's right and the timing is good too.

MK: It couldn't be better.

HK: OK, Marvin. I'll be back to you tomorrow or Monday at the latest.

MK: Thank you.

HK: No, thank you.

MK: Not at all. I am the President of the Henry Kissinger fan club.

Well, I'll see you again.

In 10 days.

Yours,
H. Kissinger

HK: That's right, but tap--
6:00?

MK: That means it was as though I
then put in a time slot.

HK: Right, in one hour. I don't want me

The President's Office in the Senate
the Senate of the Republic of the Philippines

TELCOM

Senator Mansfield/Kissinger

5:45 p.m. - 3/30/72

M: How about Callaway and Lord getting together?

K: Of course. I think they should do it and I will tell Lord to get in touch with Callaway and Mike anything we can do for you let me know. I think it is a great national service that you are doing.

M: You are very kind.

K: Well, they have to know that what we are doing is a national policy and not an idiosyncracy.

M: The important thing was meeting with you this afternoon to get things straightened out.

K: Well, we will put ourselves completely behind it. We want to make this trip a success.

M: Good, then you will have Lord call Callaway?

K: Yes.

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/12/04

Re: [subject to change] Henry, do you have a pen pal?

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E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: KM.L. NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Joe Alsop/Kissinger

11:59 p.m. - 3/30/72

K: Joe, you are only 2/3 the man you used to be.

A: That's a great relief Henry, there are two things. We are looking forward to Friday of next week.

K: Good.

A: And I was wondering if there was anyone else you want there. Maybe Joan?

K: That would be nice, Tom and Joan.

A: Good, we will keep it at that. The other thing is there is one subject that I would like to discuss with you at the earliest possible opportunity.

K: Self-restraint is not the hallmark of my leader.

A: Well, I was pop-eyed over your leader and pop-eyed when I listened to John Connally.

K: Well, I feel freer to comment on John Connally. Can you imagine how a block that stretches from ______ to Japan would operate.

A: I have a great respect for Connally's ability. With it, it might be done but I don't see how myself. At any rate I agree with him that we have got...

K: I agree with his diagnosis and I think the people who were pushing the Common Market without thinking through its implications have a lot to answer for, but the remedy I am less keen about.

A: I always refused. Henry, when could we get together, Monday or Tuesday?

K: Let's do it Monday or Tuesday. How about lunch on Tuesday?

A: Tuesday - Fine.

TelCon:3/72
Mr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers

R: Did you see the Malraux(?) news interview?

K: I just saw three lines of it.

R: This is the kind of thing that will be making our problems tough.

K: What did he say?

R: Malraux said today that there has been a long standing agreement
between Peking and Taipei that Taiwan will come under Communist
China control after the death of Chiang Kai-shek.

K: But you know he is loonier than a kook.

R: Then he says how he told Nixon this so the Nationalists figure this
was part of the deal.

K: Well you can (laughing) I don't know how we can deny this. That is
about as truthful as was the first question economic aid. (A) He
this to
didn't tell/Mr. Nixon. I mean that is how it starts. (B) That issue
was literally never discussed between the President and Chou. Chou's
position was that they would settle it themselves.

R: I saw the transcript of that, but well I think somehow we can maybe
say let's give a little thought to how we do that and see how it plays
but you know it is made up by the whole quarter(?)

K: I would just treat it with contempt.

R: Sure.

K: I would say that he is a great novelist.

R: Yes, OK. Well, you may be asked about it? He makes it sound like
this is what he told Nixon.

K: Well, the position we are going to take from now on on any Peking

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questions is not to answer them here. I think we are just going to
shut up in the White House.

R: OK.

K: And shift them over to you.

R: Right. My statement on the introduction of foreign policy is pretty
good. Your staff has looked it over and I think it is pretty good. And
I will follow that pretty closely when I testify next week.

K: Good.

R: I thought that I might today, I think we said but I don't know whether
to use it or not that as an example of misunderstanding that we clear
they
up the one that we thought we had a figure finger print requirement
on Visas and we called up and gave them an answer.

K: They are extremely goosy though about revealing the content of
conversations - that is what worries me.

R: I told the Foreign Minister that I would in some of these smaller
things - he didn't seem to mind - not between the President and Chou.

K: No, just in general. This seems to me a harmless one.

R: And also in Language, there is one example where their interpretation
of something different we said is different from ours. And then they
did show an interest in exchange of interpreters. They liked that idea
and I can use that as an example. I mean that is perfectly harmless.

K: No that is harmless, that is good. One thing Bill, I haven't seen

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it myself but Haig said that Bray today broke down the Taiwan thing
in terms of Vietnam-related and Formosa-related and that the President
did that
at the leader's meeting but the Chinese are almost neurotic on that
subject. The reason why they wouldn't put in the phrase that tensions
they said well
diminished for three days was because/then you will use it and say
you linked it to Vietnam and we promised/we wouldn't say that.
So if we could avoid that.

R: OK. It is bound to come out in the testimony but we can try to fuzz it but. Well what we said I think you will find that in '65 we only had 2,000 there, now? () 8,000.

K: I didn't see it Bill and I am not saying this as a criticism but it just - when Haig mentioned it to me - it occurred to me that this was something I should bring to your attention for the future not for the past.

R: Right, well we will do that. That we should avoid an explicit linkage of Vietnam to Taiwan.

R: Right. And I had a meeting in the Department here and cautioned everyone not to take any ______ to Taiwan.

K: Good.

R: I got the Masters' coming in right now.

K: Oh fine. I saw him yesterday for fifteen minutes just to listen to his complaints. The line I took with him was that if they start screaming there is no commitment, than they are hurting themselves.

R: Have you seen any other Ambassadors?

K: No.

R: OK.

K: And I won't see any other Ambassadors.

R: OK, I want to see some of them.

K: In his particular case, he wanted to see the President but I haven't seen anybody else. Ushiba is dying to see me but I haven't seen him.

R: Well I want to see him this afternoon.

K: Well, if you see him than I don't have it.

R: I think it is better for you not to see him.

K: No, I prefer not to. In fact I can't stand the son of a bitch anyway.

R: DK. Goodbyne now Henry.

K: OK Bill.

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Request for Proposal to the Government of the
United States of America

TELCONE

Ben Bradley/Kissinger

9:42 a.m. - 3/1/72

By: K.H. Ly
NASC Date: 5/13/04

K: Hello.

B: Henry, how are you? Welcome home! I want to thank you for your enormous cooperation on the backgrounder.

K: Well, I did what I told you I would.

B: Henry, I hate to bother you. Is it true that a backgrounder might be coming up now.

K: As I understand it, Ben, Pete Lisagor is organizing one and the reason . . . what do you mean, is it true?

B: Well, we heard you may be giving one today.

K: That's right. At ten o'clock. Hasn't Karnow been invited?

B: I guess not.

K: That's inconceivable. Look if any games are being played I won't go.

B: Is it possible to try that rule. . .

K: This time we have a special reason to try it on background because we think it is important to explain some of the intracacies of this Chinese situation in a way that the Chinese won't have to hit back. It isn't a way of making ourselves look good because from our selfish point of view it's better to go on the record. John Scali has been talking to Lisagor about it and I have insisted the <u>Post</u> had to be invited.

B: Well, I am not sure we weren't. I will say it's on for 10:00.

K: Well, before I go I have to look at the list. I will meet with the traveling press - you know those that were there and try to explain to them how it looks from my position of the Chinese point of view as the man who sat up most of the night with them. On this one occasion it is not an Administration trying to put something out.

B: I think if you do it with the reporters that were there and they are perfectly free to use it or not. . .

K: Check with Karnow, will you? I am not going if he isn't there.

The President's Office in the capital building
and the Vice President's Office in the Capitol
Please see me right away!

By: JMLV NARA Date: 5/13/84

TELECON

Governor Rockefeller/Mr. Kissinger

12:53 p.m., March 1, 1972

R: Henry, welcome-home, you great guy. You're fantastic. How do you feel?

K: I feel great.

R: You aren't exhausted?

K: No.

R: I sent you a wire yesterday.

K: I appreciated that. I'm going to Key Biscayne with the President this afternoon.

R: Working on the next one? I think it's fantastic. I don't know what happened to Bill Buckley.

K: He's completely crazy. If you read the Communique, you don't know what he is talking about. Withdrawal is dependent on a peaceful settlement. And we say as tensions diminish.

R: His brother is doing the same. He clobbered this yesterday. Chuck Rattigan was down there and he told Buckley he wanted it made clear, that didn't reflect the thinking of the Republican Party in New York. It might be the Conservative Party thinking in New York, but 'we endorse the President's actions.' I am thinking of trying to put out a statement saying we will give the President a chance in working toward his goal.

K: Do you think we can get Jim back?

R: I think we can. He hasn't anywhere to go. You would think that Taiwan was the Island of Demos where all the oracles were.

K: Moreover, we haven't done anything... Sooner or later, something has to be done there.

R: I think, myself, this is great. It's fantastic. You were unbelievable. I don't know how you did it. One of the people yesterday said you looked tired.

The president of the republic is the only one authorized to issue a state of emergency order.

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12:53 p.m., March 1, 1972

K: I was tired, but my worst problem was the Secretary of State -- he went ape. He is unbelievable.

R: What's his problem? He was in all the pictures. The damn fool made a mistake. I think we should stop worrying about him.

K: I may be in New York this weekend. Would you be free for dinner?

RL: I would love to have you come in to the country and bring Nancy.

K: I will be there on Sunday.

says

R: Then the city would be better. Joe Joe your mother and father are in his district and he wants to know if they need any help. Well, we'll see you on Sunday.

K: I'll aim for Sunday night in New York. About 7:00?

R: Wonderful. Bring Nancy. We'll make it 6:30 or 7:00. Great, Henry. I'm thrilled to hear your voice again.

K: Thank you for calling. I will tell you about some of the other aspects when I see you because there is more than meets the eye.

R: All right, Henry. Take care.

Rebuttal to film open lines
of the Senate or chamber
Proceedings Only

TELON

J. Valenti/Kissinger

3:26 pm

3/1/72

By: K.L. V NASA Date 5/13/72

V: If I had a chance to come into your office tomorrow, I want to talk with you about Red China and films.

K: I am going to Key Biscayne tonight. I will not be back until Monday.

V: Next week then. I will give you a call. I want to get your judgment on how to get movie stars over there.

K: You run them by me.

V: You can come back with us. More fun.

K: These Chinese disarm you. Not like the Russians. Russians say it total nonsense. Chinese say you mean and give it back better than you said it and then reject it so you know you are losing on merit.

V: Also we may not send in an American film into India. We can't reach agreement. They will only renew on absolute indentured servants. We may boycott. But I want your feel.

K: You have invited me to a movie Tues. night. If I can make it can I bring someone?

V: Of course. It's Barbara Streisand. It's good. 7:00 for cocktails, then dinner, and then a movie. Relax and enjoy yourself. The movie is called "What's Up Doc?". Ashley and ______ will be here.

K: Only Democrats?

V: Ehrlichman and Garment and Mansfield.

K: He's an Democrat.

V: He is Richard Nixon's alter ego.

K: Is Sen. Miller not going to be there?

V: Not coming.

K: He is the greatest bore.

V: That's the greatest truth. He is impossible. He walked out of a movie here. It wasn't that bad. He was embarrassed.

The President's Office has received notice
that some copies of this document are
being used without the President's
Approval.

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J. Valenti/Kissinger

3:26 pm 3/1/72

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K: I haven't seen a movie that came close to a movie in your place that would repulse a Calvinist minister. I will try to come.

V: I will remind your secretary to remind you. And I need 10 minutes. I will call you Tues.

K: I am always glad to see my friend. You are trying out my office for the Democratic National Committee.

V: I am against any national committee.

(sin)
K: Your greatest strength is because you were loyal to your President.

V: Absolutely. If I would write a critical review of Johnson they would put 6 figures in front of me.

K: I got propositions like that. During Cambodia a NY financier offered me several year contract if I would leave.

V: Let you back to your work. Call you Tuesday. When you have 10 minutes free I want to talk with you about the India thing. If we get ready to boycott, I want the govt. to know. I want you to know.

By: KHLW NAVAQ Date: 5/12/84

TELCON
M. Frankel/Kissinger
3:40 pm 3/1/72

F: There's a complication here. I was just reading our guy's notes on Scott's briefing yesterday where several of the points that were causing deep background problems are here.

K: Like what?

F: "Communique ? ? ? ? ? ?. The same time ? ? ? ? now Kissinger would ? ? ? ? communique. Rogers observed ? ? ? ? . Rogers tried to clarify the situation. Comment on chronology ? ? ? ? ."

K: I don't care what you attribute to Rogers.

F: That business of what they know is the only one that -- according to Kissinger, Chou showed interest in medical and sports exchanges.

K: I didn't use that this morning.

F: I checked on the circumstances. It was in the press that a gallery with 40 guys present using notes.

K: Since it wasn't in Semple's story say with Kissinger's normal prudence or something like that. Chinese are so meticulous in observing their commitment. What do you think?

F: Absolutely. That doesn't give trouble. Senators can blab and attribute to you but if we do we can get kicked. I appreciated this morning. You said we didn't negotiate our phases of the communique with them.

K: We give them a chance to express their views as we did theirs but not with the same intensity. We took views into account but in a real crunch the other side yielded.

F: Do you feel put upon and politically challenged?

K: No, we are in good shape.

F: Did you expect much?

K: I don't know. I didn't expect liberals to object and I am amazed that they do.

F: This campaign is on who how we lost Taiwan.

K: Particularly ? ? ? ? . We didn't feel challenged.

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H. E. T. Kissinger, Sec'y to the President
the Vice President or of any kind of Governmental
Matters to be determined

By: K.M.L. / NASA, Data: 5/12/84

TELCOM
Sec. Rogers/Kissinger
12:00 Noon - 3/31/72

R: Hello, Henry.

K: Bill, I was talking to the President and he mentioned your trip to Europe. He thought he would send letters to the various people you were going to visit but he wanted your recommendation as to when it should be announced. He thought it should be announced from here that we were sending you.

R: If he is going to do that it would be a good thing to announce it either next week Monday or Tuesday. I thought I would meet with the Press on Tuesday to announce our recognition of Bangladesh and tell what we have been doing because there is a feeling here that we haven't done very much.

K: Then he should do it after you have done that, Bill.

R: Well, if he did it Monday they would have some questions on it Tuesday.

K: Oh, I see.

R: Secondly, we are working out a statement for the press.

K: Why don't you send it over and we will work out something that Ziegler could say at the 3:00 briefing on Monday.

R: The statement on Bangladesh we will send over to you. Spievak (?) says it will help us with Bangladesh.

K: We have to watch so we don't get so effusive the Chinese will climb all over us.

R: It won't be, but it does give us an opportunity for domestic consumption to say we did a lot in a humanitarian way.

K: Good, if we could see that statement and . . . do you have a date?

R: Yes, I think so. It's a tricky thing because of many things which are going on; the key vote on ______ is May 4 and the Italian elections on the 7th or 8th. I'll perhaps leave the 4th and stop in Iceland on the way over.

Re: [insert telephone number here]
[insert name or title here] [insert position here]
[insert agency or unit here]

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/13/04

TELCOM

Moorer/Kissinger

12:10 p.m. - 3/31/72

K: Tom, how are you?

M: Fine, Henry.

K: The President wanted me to check on how these operations are going.

M: Well, up in Military Region I we had a rather large attack by fire.

K: Is that slowing down?

M: It has been slowing down. We had 4 or 5 other fire support bases, apparently in the ______ that were withdrawn into higher ground. One company was pushed out of the fire support base. The weather has been bad.

K: You are getting a very restless President because anytime something goes bad the weather is bad. When can we . . .

M: In the summertime. But in any event there is nothing in Military Region II . . .

K: We don't have enough of a ______ to club the north?

M: I don't think it would hurt. There is intense activity in Military Region I.

K: One of the things the President wants us to consider is to hit the Sans ______. Could you do a job there?

M: Yes.

K: Could you get us a plan?

M: I have got the plan. I'll bring it over when I come to the SRG.

K: When do you have authorization - in 48 hours?

M: We have to have 48 hours.

K: OK, because he might let you do it by the middle of next week.

Husqville, France
Date: 12 June 1972
Re: Meeting with General Netherland

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12258, Sept. 3.6

T ELECON
Taft Schreiber

3/31/72 - 12:25 p.m.

By: K.M.L. NAFI Date: 5/12/72

S: I'm going to be in Washington the 10th, 11th and 12th. I've got to work all day on the 11th, but I thought on the 10th or 12th we can get together.

K: By all means. Let's aim for lunch.

S: ______ Sunday.

K: Where will you stay?

S: We have an apartment at the Sherry-Netherland.

K: Okay!

S: If you feel like a show or dinner just holler.

K: I'm not sure I'm coming up. There's a chance I may be up Sunday. If I come I'll call you at the hotel. Otherwise, let's set a date now, let's say Monday the 10th. Will Rita want to join us?

S: I'll find out.

K: Come to my office and we'll go to a restaurant.

S: Good. I talked to Bob Evans -- he is crazy about you. He said he has got a problem with Ali -- "let me work it out."

K: I think you should lay off him.

S: I didn't bring it up; he did.

K: Oh you didn't?

S: No. What are you doing with your children when you come?

K: We won't come now until July.

S: You won't?

K: No, but I will bring them with me when I do come.

S: He is not coming in April?

Re: phone tree from the open line
in the News or something
Please repeat

T TELECON
Taft Schreiber

4/23/72 3/31/72 12:25 p.m. p. 2

K: I don't think so, but if he is coming I will come with him
but my children won't come then.

S: The reason I ask is we have got a couple of things with the
young crowd to do . . . . .

Re: phone tree of the open line
in the room of the President
Palo Alto, Calif.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

TELCONE

Dr. Kurt Birenbach/Kissinger (From Germany)

2:30 p.m. - 3/31/72

B: Mr. Kissinger, how are you?

K: Fine, how are you?

B: Good. I have received one telephone call after another that the American President intends, on April 10, to give a declaration to which he would be in somewhat a stupid position he took when he __________.

K: No.

B: No, I can't imagine it.

K: I don't want to be quoted.

B: What do you say?

K: I do not wish to be quoted.

B: Of course. Of course. I never call Mr. Kissinger. I never call __________ but anyway this is not true.

K: We will not take a position.

B: I will tell you I make a tour through 5 countries in the last 4 weeks. It was relatively easy in London and the French were more coarse than I thought. I thought they would be very respectable but they were not. In Rome I spoke with __________ who said. . . . . .

K: We will not take any position from here. What we told Butz (?) remains our position and will remain our position.

B: That is not surprising at all because I know you and I know what you say is really true. They asked me to do something and . . .

K: Yes, but I want to make sure this is not put out publicly.

B: I would never.

K: No, you never do it but others. We understand each other.

B: Now may I delay you for the China business. If you should be able to calm down the Japanese it would be a tremendous and historical visit.

Re: [Subject] Time line open in c
in 1975, Dec. 15 or '76 or '77
Re: [Subject]

OCLASSIFIED

E.O. 12059, Sept. 3.6

TELCONE

Paul Doty/Kissinger

2:35 p.m. - 3/31/72

By: KMLV NAFU Date: 5/12/04

D: You must be so busy. I wondered if there was any thing that I should take up with ______.

K: What are you going to be discussing with him?

D: I am actually going over there in June or July

K: Well. . .

D: I presume all is well and I will just keep my ears open.

K: I think that a meeting in June or July would be good. If in June as late as possible.

D: We have two dates, the 22nd and 24th of June and the middle of July. He (Penovski) prefers the first but if there isn't a strong feeling we will put it in July.

K: Well, if it is a little later we can absorb the ______ of the summit.

D: July would be better and that's the only time Penovski can go.

K: I just think by the time you went we won't be back from Russia until June 2nd or 3rd and it is going to be a little rough to catch up and assess. . . We will know what was decided, but what we won't know is how it is developing, but this is not a matter of life and death. We would rather have it in June.

D: Things are still going well in Helsinki?

K: Yes, I think they are. I have always been confident we will get an agreement. Anything you can tell me about our commitment that can have a larger breakthrough at the summit would be fine and helpful.

D: Yes. Should I press anything on the subs themselves. I don't think I should get into the pros and cons.

K: Well I happen to believe that the chiefs have lost their minds. You know I don't see why they say we should not make any agreement that would exclude subs. That's beyond my comprehension. So if you would sort of say to them that they should include subs because that is where the bureaucratic pressure is here.

The President of the Republic of
Russia, President of the Government
of the Russian Federation

By: KHL, NASA Date: 5/13/74

TELCONE

Dobrynin/Kissinger

2:45 p.m. - 3/31/72

K: Anatol, how are you?

D: Good.

K: Two things. One, our technical people - I think we can settle this living problem very easily. We can put anything we need into the hotel if it is as close as you say it is.

D: Yes it is.

K: So we can manage this. If there is some office space available there fine but don't go to any wild efforts. What our people are asking is if there is any chance of making a floor plan of the apartment you set aside.

D: Floor plan? I can do that.

K: That would be a big help then I can tell you definitely what we need.

D: ________ will be coming back here in the next week or two. I think they can measure it themselves.

K: Just to give us some rough idea where they are located.

D: OK, I will do that.

K: Second, on SALT. At Keshelov (?) I had a talk with Gotherov (?) and he claims you were confused in Moscow about whether anything should be settled before or whether the submarines should be left for the President and Mr. Brezhnev. Now I don't care. We won't give any formal answers there but our idea is to get more of the big issues settled and just leave some technical issues for Moscow. If we can get some things settled in principle we can work out the final details in Moscow. But you let me know your position before the people in Helsinki get it.

D: Yes, yes.

K: Good. I just wanted to make sure it was understood.

Hearings Before the National Council on
Pensions, Series of Hearings on
Pension Plans of Governmental
Employees

TELCORN

Hugh Sidey/Kissinger

2:55 p.m. - 3/31/72

NASA Date 5/13/64

S: Listen, I left a message and I don't know whether you got it. We are trying to get together something for the Khruchev film.

K: Oh, you wanted to do it in New York. This wasn't understood by my people.

S: Well, in principle, yes. I had suggested earlier three dates, April 18, 19 and 20, but now the next message is the first week in May.

K: That's much better.

S: Why don't you give me a date or a couple of dates. Whatever you think.

K: Third or fourth is probably possible for me.

S: 3rd or 4th. Let me get together and see what he says and get back to you. How is everything else? Getting ready for Russia?

K: Yes.

S: I tell you everybody all over the country is talking about China.

K: Really. That is my impression.

S: People who are anxious to go. I have only found one fellow who thinks it isn't a good idea - Buckley.

K: Well, Russia won't have quite the same impact but I think we will have a successful visit.

S: Say, maybe you can help me. We picked up a story about the Russians training North Vietnamese...

K: I have heard it but have no evidence of it.

S: I see. When do you take off for Japan?

K: On the 14th of April.

S: Well, I would like to come over. I am getting a piece together on Vietnam.

K: Fine, let's get together before I leave.

S: Good.

H. J. Ziegler, T. Kissinger
Revised, Nov. 1, 1973
Revised and Repro. Ed. 1973

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3, 5

By: K.M.L. NARA Data: 5/12/73

TELCOM

Ziegler/Kissinger
4:17 p.m. - 3/31/72

(Came in late)

Z: Have you talked to Bob? Has he told you to cancel it? He was going to talk to you about it.

K: No, he hasn't talked to me.

Z: The general feeling is - I think Bob should give you the feeling on it.

K: I will cancel the thing. I don't want to do it.

Z: The feeling is at this stage it would be better to do it after the trip.

K: Listen, with the elections coming you people are not going to get me on television. What you want is for me to go up and praise the President on the China trip. The most useful thing we can do is that we show people that competent first-class people are at the heart of affairs.

Z: I agree with you. I couldn't agree with you more, but what we are dealing with is a matter of timing.

K: After the Moscow summit you can't get me on.

Z: I know that you were encouraged to do it.

K: It is not a question of timing. It is a question of stupid, petty, crap. Actually from my own point of view, it is good not to do it. I don't need it for my publicity. As a matter of fact it is a liability to me personally. This Administration has always projected a cheap picture. The 20th I don't want to do it anyway. I would do it on the 27th but I will not now. I am just not going to do it. I am not going to get involved in the campaign in that direction and I am . . . I think from the Administration's point of view I should do it but I am not going to do it now because I think it's been handled in the most taudry, cheap fashion.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

To: [insert name here]

From: [insert name here]

By: [insert name here]
NASA Date: 5/12/64

TELCOM

Adm. Zumwalt/Kissinger

4:53 p.m. - 3/31/72

Z: Henry, . . . a letter in which they took a rather strong position.

K: That's right. She has been abominable to handle.

Z: I told her I would try to get her some information. What can I tell her?

K: Tell her I raised the issue but it would be counter-productive if we referred and we apologize for the way she has been treated.

Z: Can I offer any hope?

K: I would go easy on that.

Z: I was talking to Coleman Hicks as I passed by his office this morning. He told me he was leaving. There is a very outstanding naval officer we are losing who has the qualities of Coleman and Halperin whose name is Campbell.

K: Oh yes, Haig has told me about him. He is our No. 1 choice. You have never steered me wrong.

Z: We hate to lose him. Henry, I have three brief points. I have a paper "Warships in the Soviet Union" and I want you to see and I want to remind you somebody ought to keep an eye on Paul Nitze and I have another paper on Spanish problems. I will send them over to you.

K: Ok.

Re: please don't call the office like this often, or I'll be forced to call back.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 1293, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Mrs. Javits/Kissinger
5:30 p.m. - 3/31/72

K: Thank you very much for these pictures. I like to look at pictures of girls more than men.

J: Well, I thought I would distract you for awhile.

K: How are you?

J: I am very well. I am preparing to go to the country.

K: Aren't you going to Acapulco?

J: Oh, we were going but Jack is pretty intense about things going on and I think he has to be back on Monday. You really had a holiday there.

K: A great time.

J: It's fantastic. There's no sun like it.

K: Right. People ask me what the difference is between the Caribbean and I say I can't explain it - it's the sun.

J: Jack said he talked to you about the possibility of China. I haven't stopped bothering you because I'm so excited about it. I would like very much to put together a cultural group that would work rather than joining a group that's already organized. I have been in touch with a group in New York that are expressing a very great interest to go and I wonder if there wouldn't be a way to blend together the level of people who are in the 'arts' in possibly being useful as well as committed and exchange the ideas of what we have been into in the last 20 years.

K: I would be very interested to see what you put together.

J: I have a handful of people right now that if you would encourage me I could fix it easily.

K: Why don't you come in. Are you going to be in town next week?

J: Yes, I could come in either next week or the week after.

H. W. SHERMAN
President, The Procter & Gamble Company

~~Approved for Public Use~~

~~Approved for Distribution~~

~~Approved for Public Release~~

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295A, Sec. 3, 199

By: KML WRAA Date: 5/12/04

- 2 -

K: Well early the week after would be better for me - Monday or Tuesday.

J: That would be great. I can throw out ideas in various directions and we can put something together, is that it?

K: That's it. Why don't you come in Monday or Tuesday the next week.

J: Let's set a date.

K: How about Monday on the 10th?

J: I'm going to look right now. On the 10th Jack is going to be in Europe. What about the 11th?

K: OK. How about 2:30 on the 11th?

J: Fine. Henry, how is everything going with you?

K: Everything is going good.

J: Good, I'll see you on the 11th.

The Times of India
The Official Journal of India
Press Service of Government of India

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.5

TELCONE

Amb. Jha/Kissinger

5:45 p.m. - 3/31/72

J: I checked on the NEWSWEEK story. We had only 10 copies of the Anderson report sent from Delhi and not one copy has been distributed.

K: Good, I will tell the President.

J: It may be in New York. Our copies were sent for personal use only and there weren't enough copies to give out.

K: I appreciate this and I will tell this to the President when I talk to him tonight.

Re: [insert telephone number]

11:00 a.m. or 1:00 p.m. Central Standard Time

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12930, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/13/74

TELCOM

Milton Viorst/Kissinger

6:15 p.m. - 3/31/72

V: Say, I just got this phone call from the New York Times and they said how would you like to go to Canada with Henry Kissinger and then on to Japan and do a story about traveling with Henry Kissinger. What do you think of that?

K: Well, I have never traveled with a newsman, but let me check with Haldeman. If anyone did it I would want you to do it.

V: Give me a 1 minute precis of what you will be doing in Canada?

K: I will be just with the President, but in Japan you couldn't get in on any of the meetings. In Japan I just see leaders. I don't know what you would really get out of it.

V: Do you have a rough outline of your schedule at the moment?

K: No, but I will by Monday.

V: Well, we can probably spend a reasonable amount of time talking about this and that and your impressions if you were so disposed, couldn't we?

K: Well, I have never yet traveled with a newsman so I would have to check it with Haldeman.

V: May I ask what Haldeman's authority is in this instance?

K: This is an election year but I tell you as a friend that I want no ______ for myself.

V: I can see how sensitive fellows like Haldeman might vibrate about this. How are you personally disposed to this?

K: I am sympathetic. I would be interested in seeing what you make of it.

V: You are going on an Air Force plane so it means you and I would be in close proximity in that time so make sure you can put up with me.

K: I would be working and sleeping. The probability is that Haldeman will say no.

V: Even if you explained that you and I would have no personal objective for this?

K: That will be considered by him whether naively or not.

The President's Office reports to the
President, not to the Secretary of State.

By: KMLV NAFU Date: 5/12/84

TELCOM

Mr. Kissinger/Ambassador Rab in
3/31/72 7:00 p.m.

HAK: I had wanted to call you earlier. I am leaving for New York in the morning. It won't take very long, but I thought you would want to see it. Where are you.....at home?

AB: Yes.

HAK: You don't want to come in at 7:30?

AB: I don't think I can make it.

HAK: How about tomorrow morning?

AB: All right.

HAK: 8:15? And it will take only five minutes. Make it 8:30 in the same place. I want you to read something.

AB: And I forgot to tell you something that isn't so important, but the Adm. (?) asked me some thing.

HAK: All right. 8:15 at the same place and the same entrance.