Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KML NARA, Dale 5/12/04

telcon

PUGA/KISSINGER

11:12 am

4/9/70

(Mr. Puga is the manager of the Metro Club)

K: I want a private dinner for Saturday night.

P: I talked to David Young last night. We have a rule that we must talk to the member and not just anyone.

K: That's right and I understand. Between 8 and 10?

P: I have a small dining room for 10.

K: We can do that as late as 8:30? Drinks at 8:30 and dinner at 9:00?

P: We can close the dining room at 9:00.

K: Then we will keep that in mind. We will have drinks at 8:00 and dinner at 8:30.

P: Reservations for room #2 for Sat., April 11.

By: KHW NARA, Dato: 5/12/04

TELECON

Rogers/Kissinger

7:00 p.m. 4-9-70

R: Ted Eliot was saying Al pointed out Dobrynin came in to say good bye. I'm curious. When he left he didn't sound like he is leaving for good.

K: No. He left me with the impression he is coming back -- early in May.

R: That was the impression I got.

K: The only point he wanted to make was that they were negotiating seriously. I said fine.

R: What about the Middle East?

K: Yes, about the Middle East. We didn't get into any other subject. The only area about which he talked was the Middle East and he said he made a number of proposals to Joe.

R: They want a respite while they put the SAMs in.

K: He said they offered the conditions of peace.

R: They really have not.

K: He wasn't willing to put it on paper until he could get an agreement. He thought Joe was a tough negotiator. He said nothing about SALT. He said do we want qualitative or quantitative controls. It was the only thing on that. Otherwise, it was just really garbage. I asked would there be changes in the relationship. He said not before September. Nothing has changed with China. They will continue to negotiate on the Middle East.

R: They want us to put everything on paper.

K: We can't press the Israelis while they put in SA-3s. The only point is that they seriously want to settle that.

R: Very little give.

K: I didn't get the impression he came in with a particular demarche.

By KNW NARA, Dated 5/13/04

Rogers/Kissinger

7:00 p.m. 4-9-70

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R: It will be interesting to see if there is a change of government. It could happen after Lenin's birthday.

K: Told Ted Eliot the President asked me to go up to Camp David to make Brandt feel good. He had Mosbacher there. It was a murderous helicopter ride. (Brandt) gave me a list of things he is going to discuss-- mutual balanced force reductions.

R: I think we ought to encourage that.

K: We should do careful preparation.

R: We have to see a little more. The Soviet Union won't have anything to do with it. The Soviet Union won't enter into discussions about it. The Germans have the idea we are ______ it.

K: Bahr came in the other day.

R: I think the President should emphasize to Brandt this is a program we are for. If we do this and it doesn't work we can keep troops there (?). Otherwise the Mansfield thing will carry through.

K: The President is going along with lines of the memo you sent.

R: How is his frame of mind?

K: Apathy and ______.

R: See you tomorrow.

By KHC NARA, Dale S/12/04

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TELECON

Stans/Kissinger

7:45 p.m. 4-9-70

K: He would like to go in general (along) with your approach but soften it somewhat. Work it out with Alex Johnson.

S: Soften it up somewhat.

K: There isn't a prayer that this could be accepted.

S: Did you see the cable today? Extremely interesting. That the Japanese were preparing a new proposal which would abandon the moratorium idea and arrange for a settlement on the basis of eight specific categories.

K: That's what Yoshino and I talked about.

S: The whole deal may be they just went through this ex____ to show it won't work.

K: I think so. Let's wait a week.

S: I am going to South America next Thursday.

K: Who can speak for you?

S: Stanley Neiman (sp?)

K: Is he mean?

S: No

K: You are tough.

S: He is tough. He will stand up and talk with Johnson.

I think we ought to wait to see what the Japanese come up with. We could think about going to Japan and sitting down. I would like to see Miasawa. A man who worked for me at the Bureau of the Budget knows him. Would make sense to sit down and talk with them.

K: When will you be back.

S: May 1.

K: Next week could you come up with a softened version of your proposal so we have that in our armory?

By: KHC NARA, Dated: 5/12/04

Stans/Kissinger

7:45 p.m. 4-9-70

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S: Sit tight and see if they come up with something.

S: On the trip to South America, the President said to talk with Rogers and Kissinger about briefing. I've talked with State (and several other agencies). Is there something you or your people could add?

K: I doubt it but let me send in my man on Latin America.

S: What's his name?

K: Pete Vaky.

S: Ask him to call me tomorrow. I have meetings tomorrow morning but would like to see him.

K: If you find he isn't adding anything just ____. My feelings won't be hurt.

S: Thank you.