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FROM ELISABETH GYLLENGER 031-59 11 21 MEMO=0112EG

85-05-13 16.59

INTRODUCTION: HENRY KISSINGER HAS IDEAS ABOUT ESTABLISHING A ROUNDTABLE OF ATLANTIC INDUSTRIALISTS BASED ON THE MODEL OF THE ROUNDTABLE OF EUROPEAN INDUSTRIALISTS OF WHICH VOLVO DIRECTOR, PEHR GYLLENHAMMAR, IS CHAIRMAN.

- I SHALL SPEAK WITH DR. GYLLENHAMMAR ABOUT THE SUBJECT. MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE THE INITIATIVE TOGETHER, AS IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE, HENRY KISSINGER TELLS VOLVO MONITOR.

THE FORMER AMERICAN SECRETARY OF STATE DISCLOSES HIS PLANS IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH VOLVO MONITOR. THE NEARLY HOUR-LONG INTERVIEW WAS DONE IN CONNECTION WITH FORUM, GOTHENBURG'S CONFERENCE ON THE ASEAN MARKET, WHERE HENRY KISSINGER WAS THE PRINCIPAL SPEAKER.

THE MAIN THEME OF THE INTERVIEW WAS THE MAJOR TREND IN THE WORLD'S ECONOMY - HOW THE FOCAL POINT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SHIFTING FROM THE ATLANTIC AND U.S./EUROPEAN RELATIONS TO THE PACIFIC AREAS AND THE RELATIONS U.S./ASIA/TIC PACIFIC COUNTRIES WITH JAPAN AS THE PRIME MOVER.

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1983 TURNING POINT

1983 WAS A MILESTONE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. AT THAT TIME THE UNITED STATES HAD A GREATER EXCHANGE OF COMMODITIES WITH THE COUNTRIES AROUND THE PACIFIC OCEAN THAN WITH EUROPE. HENRY KISSINGER:

- EUROPE HAS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT LOST ITS COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGES FROM THE 19TH CENTURY. AT THAT TIME EUROPE WAS STRONGEST, HAD A MONOPOLY ON TECHNOLOGY, ETCETERA. BUT TODAY EUROPE IS NO LONGER FOREMOST. EUROPE NO LONGER HOLDS ITS TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE. IT CAN PROBABLY ALSO BE SAID THAT EUROPE'S MORALE IS NO LONGER WHAT IT WAS.

- THIS OCCURS AT THE SAME TIME AS ASIA, WHICH COULD BE DISREGARDED IN THE 19TH CENTURY, IS DEVELOPING ITS OWN ECONOMIES. ALL OF THIS HAS LED TO A SHIFT OF THE CENTER OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY TO THE PACIFIC. THIS WILL CREATE ITS OWN REALITIES, HE ADDS.

UNITED STATES AWAY FROM EUROPE

THE QUESTION WAS PUT TO HIM, IT THERE ARE ANY POLITICAL POWERS PROMOTING THIS DEVELOPMENT, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE UNITED STATES. IS THE UNITED STATES TURNING AWAY FROM EUROPE?

- EUROPE WILL REMAIN THE NATURAL PARTNER OF THE UNITED STATES. THE DEVELOPMENT NOW TAKING PLACE IS NOTHING WE HAVE SOUGHT BUT, AS TECHNOLOGY AND TRADE GRAVITATE TOWARD THE PACIFIC, WE ARE DRIVEN TO THE PACIFIC, HENRY KISSINGER ANSWERS.

THE POINTS OUT THAT UP UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE 1970S, THE UNITED STATES WAS LED BY PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM THE EAST COAST AND WHOSE NATURAL TIES WERE WITH EUROPE. NOW THIS IS NO LONGER SO. TODAY, THE POLITICS OF THE UNITED STATES IS LED BY PEOPLE FROM THE WEST COAST AND SOUTHWEST OR SOUTHERN UNITED STATES. THE EAST COAST AMERICANS HAVE LESS INFLUENCE. THEREFORE, THERE ARE FEWER EMOTIONAL TIES WITH EUROPE.

IN REPLY TO A QUESTION IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN EAST AND WEST COAST AMERICANS, HENRY KISSINGER REPLIES:

- PEOPLE FROM THE WEST COAST ARE MORE ISOLATIONIST, PROBABLY ALSO MORE PROTECTIONIST. BUT ABOVE ALL, THEY HAVE FEWER EMOTIONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH EUROPE.

DOES THIS STRENGTHEN U.S. ORIENTATION TOWARD THE PACIFIC?

- NO, IT REINFORCES THE ORIENTATION AWAY FROM EUROPE BUT NOT NECESSARILY TOWARD THE PACIFIC, ANSWERS HENRY KISSINGER.

THERE IS A TERM DESCRIBING EUROPE'S ECONOMIC CONDITION WHICH IS OFTEN USED ON THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT AND IN THE UNITED STATES - EUROSCLEROSIS (SCLEROSIS MEANING HARDENING). IN SWEDEN ONE SAYS THAT EUROPE SUFFERS FROM HARDENING OF THE ARTERIES.

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EUROPE TOO SLOW

IN PRINCIPLE, EUROSCLEROSIS MEANS THAT OLD EUROPE'S ECONOMIC SYSTEM HAS BECOME PETRIFIED. LOTS OF LAWS AND REGULATIONS CONCERNING THE LABOR MARKET, INDUSTRY, THE ENVIRONMENT, ETC. HAVE LED TO EUROPE NOT BEING ABLE TO ADAPT TO NEW CONDITIONS AS FAST AS THE UNITED STATES.

EUROPEAN INDUSTRY IS TO A GREAT EXTENT OLD AND RENOVATION DOES NOT TAKE PLACE AS QUICKLY AS IN THE UNITED STATES, EUROPE'S HIGH TECHNOLOGY IS NOT IN A CLASS WITH THAT OF THE U.S. AND JAPAN, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN CONSIDERABLY HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT IN EUROPE. IN SHORT - EUROPE IS LAGGING BEHIND. DOES HENRY KISSINGER AGREE THAT EUROPE IS SUFFERING FROM 'HARDENING OF THE ARTERIES,' EUROSCLEROSIS?

- IT IS TRUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, HE REPLIES. WHEN ONE TALKS WITH ASIANS - JAPANESE, KOREANS AND EVEN SOME PEOPLE IN SOUTHERST ASIA- ONE GETS THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WANT TO CONQUER THE WORLD'S MARKETS PARTLY FOR ECONOMIC REASONS BUT ALSO AS A SORT OF 'SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT' OF THE SAME KIND THAT ONCE LED THE EUROPEANS TO SAIL ACROSS THE SEAS.

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- BUT NOW IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS ELEMENT IS MISSING IN EUROPE. THE EUROPEANS ARE MORE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THEIR OWN MARKETS.

SWEDEN AGAINST TRADE RESTRICTIONS

- BUT STRANGELY ENOUGH, THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO APPLY TO SWEDEN. I SAY STRANGELY ENOUGH, AS I HAD EXPECTED THAT IT ALSO SHOULD APPLY TO SWEDEN. BUT THINKING ABOUT IT, IT IS NOT SO STRANGE.

- THERE IS NO DOMESTIC MARKET THAT SWEDEN CAN PROTECT. SWEDEN'S ECONOMY IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN MARKETS. THE WEST GERMANS AND FRENCH CAN PROTECT THEIR MARKETS BUT SWEDEN CANNOT KEEP ITS INDUSTRY GOING BY PROTECTING ITS OWN MARKET. THE DOMESTIC MARKET IS NOT SUFFICIENT.

- IT HAS OCCURRED TO ME THAT SWEDISH INDUSTRY IN ITS PSYCHOLOGY IS MORE SIMILAR TO JAPANESE INDUSTRY THAT IT IS LIKE THE GERMAN, WHICH IS WHAT I HAD EXPECTED IT TO BE.

WHEN ILLUSTRATING THE MOVEMENT OF THE WORLD'S ECONOMIC FOCAL POINT TOWARD THE PACIFIC OCEAN, THE ANALOGY OF 'THE THREE OCEANS' IS OFTEN USED. IT SHOWS THE MEDITERRANEAN AS THE OCEAN OF HISTORY, THE ATLANTIC AS THE OCEAN OF TODAY, AND THE PACIFIC AS THE OCEAN OF THE FUTURE.

EUROPE BORDERS ON THE FIRST TWO OCEANS. WOULD THE FACT THAT EUROPE IS NOT BORDERING ON THE PACIFIC PROPER - FOR GEOGRAPHICAL REASONS - CONSTITUTE A HANDIKAPP? HENRY KISSINGER DOES NOT THINK SO:

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- WITH MODERN COMMUNICATIONS IT DOES NOT MEAN MUCH WHERE YOU ARE POSITIONED GEOGRAPHICALLY. LOCATION IS OF SECONDARY IMPORTANCE.

HENRY KISSINGER BELIEVES THAT EUROPE CAN COME BACK AND RECOVER A LEADING POSITION IN WORLD ECONOMY. BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IS DONE. THE DESTINY OF EUROPEANS IS IN THEIR OWN HANDS.

## INTELLECTUAL MOBILIZATION

IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT EUROPE NEEDS A NEW ERA OF RECONSTRUCTION, SORT OF A NEW MARSHALL PLAN. (THE MARSHALL PLAN WAS THE UNITED STATES CONTRIBUTION TO HELP BUILD UP WAR-TORN EUROPE). IS THIS ALSO HENRY KISSINGER'S OPINION?

- WHAT I BELIEVE IS NEEDED IN EUROPE IS A MOBILIZATION OF INTELLECTUAL RESOURCES, NOT MATERIAL RESOURCES, HE SAYS.

FROM WHERE SHALL THE INITIATIVE COME - THE GOVERNMENTS, WHO ARE WRESTLING WITH HUGE DEFICITS IN THEIR BUDGETS, OR FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR BY MEANS OF INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE ROUNDTABLE OF EUROPEAN INDUSTRIALISTS?

- I HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THE GOVERNMENTS CANNOT DO IT, SAYS HENRY KISSINGER. THEY ARE FAR TOO PREOCCUPIED WITH THEIR DAY TO DAY PROBLEMS. AN OUTSIDE INITIATIVE IS NEEDED. I THINK THAT THE ROUNDTABLE OF EUROPEAN INDUSTRIALISTS IS A GOOD IDEA. THEN HE PRESENTED HIS THOUGHTS ABOUT A PERSONAL INITIATIVE - A WAY TO CONSERVE AND REINFORCE THE TIES ACROSS THE ATLANTIC BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES.

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- I AM OF THE OPINION THAT THERE OUGHT ALSO TO BE A ROUNDTABLE OF ATLANTIC INDUSTRIALISTS, A GROUP THAT WOULD MEET MORE FREQUENTLY THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BILDERBERG GROUP, WHICH ONLY MEETS ONCE A YEAR.

DOES HE SEE ANY SIGNS THAT SUCH A GROUP IS UNDER CONSIDERATION?

- NOT YET. BUT I SHALL TALK TO DR. GYLLENHAMMAR. MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT TOGETHER BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT BE DONE, ANSWERED HENRY KISSINGER.

HE ALSO GAVE HIS VIEWS ON THE INCREASING PROTECTIONISM IN WORLD TRADE AND THE RISKS FOR A TRADE WAR, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND JAPAN. A NEW GATT ROUND OF TALKS, AIMED AT COUNTERACTING THE WAVE OF TRADE RESTRICTIONS, IS UNDERWAY AND WILL PRESUMABLY TAKE PLACE IN 1986.

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PROTECTIONISM IN THE U.S.

THE PROTECTIONIST MOVEMENT IS VERY STRONG IN THE UNITED STATES. WHAT COULD A NEW GATT ROUND MEAN FOR THE FRIENDS OF FREE TRADE IN THE U.S.? HENRY KISSINGER ANSWERS:

- I BELIEVE THAT A NEW GATT ROUND CAN BE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE, BECAUSE IF THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK THAT PROTECTIONISM WILL BECOME A DOMINATING FORCE IN THE UNITED STATES. I AM TALKING ABOUT A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS, NOT OF ANY PARTICULAR YEAR.

- THE BIGGEST TENSION EXISTS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND JAPAN. I THINK A TRADE WAR CAN BE AVOIDED ONLY IF THE POLITICAL LEADERS IN ALL COUNTRIES AGREE UPON THE CREATION OF A STRUCTURE IN WHICH ADAPTATIONS CAN TAKE PLACE.

- BUT IF THE PRESENT TREND CONTINUES AND EACH REGION TRIES TO MAXIMIZE ITS OWN ADVANTAGES, I BELIEVE THAT A TRADE WAR IS ALMOST INEVITABLE.

- EVERYBODY WOULD LOSE IN SUCH A SITUATION. I BELIEVE THAT AT THE END OF A TRADE WAR THERE WOULD BE THREE TRADE BLOCKS - THE EUROPEAN/AFRICAN, THE U.S./WESTERN HEMISPHERE AND THE JAPANESE/SOUTHEAST ASIAN. IN THAT CASE, THESE THREE BLOCKS WOULD NEGOTIATE MOST-FAVORED NATIONS AGREEMENTS AMONG THEMSELVES.

WHICH ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED? HENRY KISSINGER:

- WE MUST FIND A WAY TO COORDINATE THE FISCAL AND MONETARY POLICIES OF THE MAJOR INDUSTRIAL COUNTRIES. DURING THE 19TH CENTURY THIS WAS DONE AUTOMATICALLY THROUGH THE GOLD STANDARD. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR IT TO BE ORGANIZED.

- BUT AS SOON AS EACH COUNTRY SEEKS ITS OWN FISCAL AND MONETARY POLICY, IT WILL TRY TO MAXIMIZE ITS OWN ADVANTAGES. IF EVERYONE DOES THIS, IT WILL SOONER OR LATER LEAD TO POLITICAL CONFLICTS.

ONLY A VERY SERIOUS CRISIS - WAR OR SIMILAR - COULD MAKE HENRY KISSINGER RETURN TO WASHINGTON AND POLITICS. HE PROFESSES TO HAVE NO POLITICAL AMBITIONS WHATSOEVER, AT LEAST NOT DURING PRESIDENT REAGAN'S ADMINISTRATION.

CONSIDERING THE TIME AFTER REAGAN, HE SAYS THAT IT WOULD BE TOO HYPOTHETICAL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE END OF THE 1980S.

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THE QUESTION ABOUT HENRY KISSINGER'S POLITICAL AMBITIONS IS ONE OF THE SUBJECTS IN THAT PART OF THE INTERVIEW WHICH DEALS WITH MORE PERSONAL ISSUES. THE FOLLOWING IS AN ABSTRACT FROM THE INTERVIEW:

VM: DR. KISSINGER, YOU ARE LEADING THE MOST EXCLUSIVE CONSULTING AGENCY IN THE WORLD, KISSINGER ASSOCIATES INC., I HAVE READ IN.....

HK: (INTERRUPTS JOCULARLY) THE QUESTION IS, IF ANYONE WANTS TO PAY FOR IT? IT IS EASY TO BE EXCLUSIVE - BUT HARDER TO BE PROFITABLE (LAUGH).

VM: WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS IDEA, YOUR 'PRODUCT', AND HOW ARE YOU ORGANIZED?

HK: MORE AND MORE COMPANIES WORK INTERNATIONALLY. IN AN AREA WHERE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC FACTORS ARE INTERWOVEN, ONE CANNOT SETTLE FOR MARKET STUDIES ALONE. ONE MUST ALSO ANALYZE HOW POLITICAL FACTORS WILL INFLUENCE THE ECONOMIES AND VICE VERSA. THIS IS NOT PART OF NORMAL BUSINESS.

WE ADVISE MULTINATIONAL COMPANIES, THOSE WITH INTERESTS ABROAD, CONCERNING PROBLEMS THEY MAY BE FACING. SOMETIMES WE ALSO HELP THEM TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS BUT THAT IS DECIDED CASE BY CASE.

THERE IS A LIMIT TO HOW MANY CLIENTS WE CAN HANDLE AND WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THAT LIMIT NOW.

VM: WHO ARE YOUR CLIENTS? CAN YOU CATAGORIZE THEM?

HK: WE DO NOT REVEAL WHO OUR CLIENTS ARE. OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE THESE: WE DO NOT REVEAL WHICH CLIENTS WE HAVE, WE DO NOT ADVERTISE, WE HAVE NO BROCHURES, WE ARE NOT SEEKING CLIENTS. IN OTHER WORDS - IF SOMEONE WANTS TO WORK WITH US, HE WILL HAVE TO COME TO US. WE DO NOT TAKE CLIENTS IN COMPANIES WHICH ARE COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER. IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, HAD VOLVO AS A CLIENT, WE WOULD NOT ACCEPT ANY COMPETITOR IF VOLVO DID NOT AGREE.

OUR PHILOSOPHY IS TO BE DISCRETE, TO GIVE THE BEST ADVICE THERE IS TO GIVE. IT WORKS BEST IF WE ARE INVOLVED IN THE CLIENT'S STRATEGIC PLANNING, INSTEAD OF JUST GIVING ABSTRACT LECTURES.

VM: YOU YOURSELF CONSULT OTHER WELL-INFORMED PERSONS. YOU HAVE A GROUP YOU DISCUSS WITH INCLUDING, AMONG OTHERS, THE CHAIRMAN OF VOLVO, DR. GYLLENHAMMAR?

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HK: WE HAVE A BOARD WHICH INCLUDES DR. GYLLENHAMMAR. BUT IN SOME LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE CONSULTANTS ADVISING US ON TRENDS IN THESE COUNTRIES.

VM: HAVE YOU MANY IMPORTANT CONTACTS IN EUROPE? AND WHO, OUTSIDE OF DR. GYLLENHAMMAR, ARE YOU IN CONTACT WITH IN SWEDEN?

HK: I KNOW SO MANY IN EUROPE THAT IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS TO STATE A NUMBER. I ALSO KNOW MANY SWEDISH BUSINESSMEN AND POLITICIANS WHO I TRY TO SEE WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

VM: IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO STAY AS WELL-INFORMED NOW AS EARLIER WHEN YOU WERE A PART OF 'THE SYSTEM' IN THE AMERICAN STATE DEPARTMENT.

HK: I AM NOT AS WELL-INFORMED CONCERNING DAY TO DAY TACTICAL DECISIONS AS I WAS WHEN I WAS SECRETARY TO STATE. BUT I MAINTAIN THAT I AM AS WELL-INFORMED CONCERNING MIDDLE RANGE AND LONG RANGE PROBLEMS. THE PEOPLE WE ADVISE DO NOT NEED TO KNOW THE DAILY TACTICS OF FOREIGN POLICY.

BUT WE HAVE GOOD CONTACTS WITH DIFFERENT INFORMATION SYSTEMS AND CAN STAY WELL-ADvised.

VM: WHEN YOU CONFER OR DISCUSS WITH DR. GYLLENHAMMAR OR OTHERS - WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS?

HK: DR. GYLLENHAMMAR IS AN UNUSUAL INDUSTRIALIST IN SO FAR AS HE IS VERY PHILOSOPHICAL, VERY CONCEPT ORIENTED AND I LEARN A LOT ABOUT DIFFERENT TRENDS IN EUROPE AND ALSO OTHER AREAS IN THE WORLD. I ALSO LEARN HOW TO JUDGE THESE TRENDS, WHAT THEY REALLY MEAN, WHAT THE REAL PROBLEMS ARE, AND SO FORTH.

BUT DR. GYLLENHAMMAR IS NOT A TYPICAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THOSE I MEET. I SEE HIM MORE THAN I SEE MANY OTHERS AND HE IS MORE PHILOSOPHICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY ORIENTED THAN MANY OTHERS.

VM: DO YOU MISS THE HECTIC DAYS OF SHUTTLE DIPLOMACY?

HK: BOTH YES AND NO. YES - WHEN IT CONCERNS WORKING ON A HIGH GOVERNMENT LEVEL BECAUSE THEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU COULD NOT DO ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE OR FOR PEACE OR WHATEVER YOU ARE WORKING FOR.

NO - BECAUSE IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO THAT ALL YOUR LIFE YOU GO CRAZY.

THE JOB GAVE ME A LOT WHILE I WAS DOING IT BUT I WOULD NOT ACCEPT SUCH A TASK TODAY.

VM: HAVE YOU ANY POLITICAL AMBITIONS AT ALL?

HK: NO - NONE.

VM: SO IT IS DEFINITELY FINISHED WITH WASHINGTON?

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HK: IF A VERY SERIOUS CRISIS AROSE, I SHOULD FEEL IT MY DUTY TO RETURN, IF I WERE ASKED. BUT I DO NOT EXPECT, AND SHOULD NOT ACCEPT, TO RETURN TO GOVERNMENT UNDER PRESIDENT REAGAN'S ADMINISTRATION, IF THERE WERE NOT A WAR OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.

UM: BUT IN PRINCIPLE - AFTER REAGAN?

HK: PRESIDENT REAGAN'S ADMINISTRATION WILL CONTINUE FOR FOUR YEARS. IT IS ALTOGETHER TOO HYPOTHETICAL TO ANSWER SUCH A QUESTION.

UM: IT IS NOW TEN YEARS SINCE THE PEACE WITH VIETNAM. EVEN SO, DEMONSTRATIONS ARE ORGANIZED AGAINST YOU. WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS TOWARD THESE DEMONSTRATORS?

HK: THEY OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED. I CAN UNDERSTAND THOSE WHO HAD ANOTHER OPINION THAN THE UNITED STATES AND DEMONSTRATED DURING THE 1970S. BUT NOW, SINCE THE CAMBODIAN COMMUNISTS HAVE MURDERED TWO MILLION OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE, WHEN MORE THAN A MILLION BOAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LEAVE VIETNAM, AND WHEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE STILL IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN VIETNAM, I THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD DEMONSTRATE AGAINST THE VIETNAMESE INSTEAD.

UM: AND NOT AGAINST YOU?

HK: FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION, WHICH I WAS A PART OF, INHERITED THE WAR. WE DID NOT START IT. SECONDLY - WE ENDED THE WAR, EVEN IF IT DID NOT HAPPEN THE WAY THE DEMONSTRATORS WOULD HAVE LIKED.

I BELIEVE THAT THESE DEMONSTRATORS USE THE DEMONSTRATIONS AS AN EXCUSE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND ANYTHING ELSE.

UM: IS IT ALWAYS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO INTELLECTUALIZE YOUR FEELINGS OR DOES IT HAPPEN THAT YOU GET HURT?

HK: I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE VIETNAM DEMONSTRATIONS. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE PERFORMED BY PEOPLE IN COUNTRIES TENS OF THOUSANDS OF KILOMETERS AWAY, WHEN THEY DO NOT KNOW THE SITUATION, DO NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES AND USE THE DEMONSTRATIONS AS THEIR OWN EGOTRIP.

WHAT THEY IN REALITY ARE DEMONSTRATING AGAINST IS THE UNITED STATES AND IF IT IS NOT THE UNITED STATES, THEY WILL FIND SOMETHING ELSE.

UM: YOU LIVE A LIFE BEHIND POLICE OFFICERS, SECURITY MEN AND RIOT BARRIERS. ARE YOU SO USED TO IT THAT YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT IT OR ARE YOU SICK AND TIRED OF THAT TOO?

HK: I AM SO USED TO IT NOW THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE. BUT OF COURSE - WHEN I WAS A BACHELOR, IT WAS A BIT AWKWARD.

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