Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

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Telecon
Secretary Laird
10/14/70 12:30 p.m.

By: KHW NARA, Date: 5/12/04

K: The President approved -- I am sending you a memo -- the SAM package and the five hundred million credit for Israel. Joe Sisco called and suggested that it would be a good idea to send it up as a political move, the five hundred million.

L: But we shouldn't send it up without the whole package.

K: I agree with that basically. I just wanted to check with you as to as the old hand.

L: It's all right to say we will be sending it up, but let's send it with the other stuff in the same bill.

K: Okay, get the word around with your cronies will you?

L: Yes. George Mahon, I gave him a letter saying it would come up as soon as Congress returned. I said if you put it on that bill we won't be able to get the other military assistance bill through that's so important. This is exactly what I wanted to do on September 15.

K: We've approved it.

L: Okay.

K: Okay, and we'll get that other thing straightened out.

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By KHL NARA, Date 5/13/04

TELCOM
Javits/Kissinger

9:30 a.m. 10/15/70

K: You have won another one.

J: You are serving this country like nothing ever by doing these things. You need more publicity.

K: We will let you announce the 1% thing. Do it as low key as possible.

J: It's reiteration of what we have done.

K: We don't want it to be like a tremendous achievement. The President will not do it. It sounds as if we are stopping to get paid for something ? ? ?

J: We have had crises in our government but the position outside is that we are for this.

K: That's the President's view.

J: I can assure you that I will tell the General Assembly the whole corporate idea and excitement and whole entire system. That's the thrust of the speech. What's happened on OPIC?

K: I will have an answer for you at the end of the week.

J: It would be a great time to appoint them. I will reflect to you after a few days what's going on here. I will sound out the corridor thought on the M. E. I may have pipelines. If I do anything, I will talk with you first.

By KCL-WS

NARA, Dato

5/12/04

Telecon

Hamilton Fish Armstrong

10/15/70 10:55 a.m.

A: My compliments on your television appearance. It was
very impressive, very good.

K: Thank you.

A: I wanted to check on your article. We're counting on it
and I think it's going to be a leading thing for us and I just wanted to
be sure of it.

K: We've had several crises in the last month I didn't foresee.

A: I know, which makes your article all the more important
for our publication.

K: There is another thing. I have given several briefings
which contain these ideas and have never been printed. If I adapted
one of these for an article would that be all right?

A: Why not? If they haven't been printed.

K: The most that's ever been printed was that stuff Semple did.

A: Was that the one I spoke to you about?

K: Yes.

A: I thought that was very good.

K: This would be slightly more philosophical, with the cohesion
of society as an idea.

A: Very good.

K: That I can probably do very quickly.

A: You still have a couple of weeks. I don't want you to skimp
on the philosophical vein. That's very important.

K: Right. How are things at the Council?

A: We are trying to find someone to take George's place. I won't
say over the phone, but we'd love it if you were interested.

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By: KLC NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Telecon

Hamilton Fish Armstrong

10/15/70 10:55 a.m. page 2

K: I appreciate that very much, but probably the time frame . . .

A: I noticed you spoke on that. I thought what you said was
probably both politic and true.

K: I can't keep this job indefinitely. It's a job that uses you up.

A: I was pleased when you said you think of the Council as one
of your homes.

K: I do.

A: It's good to talk to you and I do expect this by the first. Did
you get a note from me before the President arrived in Belgrade?

K: Yes. It was supposed to be acknowledged.

A: That doesn't matter.

K: He used what you said.

A: Well, he said "can I ____________ on this?" I said what's the sense of a man of your experience and your age doing this if you don't speak frankly. He's a man of substance and still has a lot of bounce.

K: He did the days we were there.

A: How many of you talked to him?

K: The President, Rogers and me.

A: And you used an interpreter?

K: Well, he understands a great deal of English.

A: I am glad you saw something of him. I respect him though
I have disagreed with him in many ways. I said to him once that the
U.S. was much more socialist than much of what you call socialiam
in Communist states. I said did you know about the TVA. He said
no. I told him about it. He said well, that's a Marxist approach; I
said no it's an American approach.

By: KHLW NARA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

M. Wallace/Kissinger

11:07 a.m.

10/15/70

K: I thought you did a great job.

W: I think you did a great job. Everyone seems to think the show was first-rate.

K: A lot of favorable comments.

W: The only comment from some of the press and people was that it was insufficiently illuminating about the mind. They wanted a longer interview and more substantive on foreign policy. I think it's a hell of a good piece of film.

K: The thing that ended the whole program was a good quote. That part I regretted not having in it. But it probably didn't fit.

W: We had to begin with but it stuck out like a sore thumb. So we get that at the end.

K: It was first class and my colleagues thought it great and so did the first family. My colleague at Harvard didn't look good. He looks too anxious.

W: My son and his roommate thought that. It made for a better show for us. It was the high point emotionally of the piece.

K: I liked it and throughout you behaved with great delicacy. And Nancy appreciates that you dropped her. Let me know when you come again. I would like to see you.

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By: KHL NARA, Date: 5/13/04

TELCON
S. Alsop/Kissinger
11:28 a.m. 10/15/70

A: Your life is complicated as usual.

K: I didn't know you weren't free or I would have made other arrangements.

A: I could have been there at 11:30 but you have another appointment and I have to be at State for a meeting with the Secy. at 12:15. How are you this afternoon?

K: How about 2:30? Why don't we do that?

A: I want to be sure I am not off base on some conclusions I have reached.

By: KHC NARA, Dale S/12/04

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Amb. Sullivan/Mr. Kissinger
October 15, 1970 2:30 p.m.

jlj

S: I am just back from the most civilized part of the world.

K: England

S: Henry, have you seen the incoming from our delegation proposing
move ahead with ...

K: Private talk on Saturday. . .

S: Request on Saturday for next Tuesday or Wednesday.

K: I talked to the President about it. My understanding of the scenario
was that. I would like to see what they propose to say.

S: It has it in this message. Then Bunker would talk to Thieu . . .

K: We are not disposed to give you any trouble on that.

S: It's just the time frame. We would like to get back to them.

K: Is it worth it? Worth bad feeling this [may cause].

S: They are expecting it in Saigon and Bunker is coming on leave on
Sunday.

K: I will look at it right away.

S: Good. Then I will do up draft. I have looked it over carefully and
it looks OK. Ceasefire, POWs, not get into political. Would have to
have Vietnam government in on it if was political.

K: I will read the cable with good will.

S: You sound like Madame Binh.

K: I have learned something.

S: I will get this together then. I have to go to the airport and meet
Sorvanna. If I am not here Roger Kirk could take it.

K: I will do it before the end of the afternoon.

By KHL NARA, Dale

5/12/04

Mr. Kissinger/ IO= Herl Klein

October 15, 1970 3:05 p.m.

jlj

K: I dialed wrong.

IO: You dialed wrong?

K: I wanted to talk to that good looking secretary of yours.
I was wondering if you should call David Frost.

IO: [Perhaps we would have more leverage that way. If you want me to ...]

K: He would not dare to do anything against me ...

IO: [I will call ...]

K: Then I will let you make the final arrangements.

IO: OK

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By KHLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCONE
Schreiber/Kissinger

5:50 pm

10/15/70

S: I? I? I? I? tried to make it easy on you. (Apparently K indicated that
he would speak for an hour instead of half an hour, at the President's suggestion.)

K: It's hard to do it properly in a short time. If you agree.

S: We will run it like a clock. We will be through with lunch at 1:00 and
1:00-2:00 with you. We will be through after you at 2:15.

K: That is up to you.

S: In order to get a bungalow without being with others, they have one with
two bedrooms with one bedroom that double locks -- which you could use for
the agent.

K: And I need one room *that* can sit in while I sleep.

S: There's a livingroom. It's easier to watch there where you have a suite
then with one room across the hall. Do you need a car?

K: The Secret Service will have me driven by their man.

S: On Tues. I assume you will have things to do. Do you want me to meet
you at the Beverley Hills?

K: I will call you back. The President is calling.

Further conversation: 6:08 pm

K: It would be good if you would come by and talk about the meeting.

S: About 11:00 I will come by. The other thing is that you will let me know
about Tues night and whether you want plans to be made or make your own/

K: I think I will make my own plans. I will be back the following weekend
and I would like to see you then.

S: I am leaving for Europe. Dallas on the 21st and then on to NY and then
Europe. And return about Nov. 5 and sit back here until the end of the year.
I want to call xx fill you in on the Times. Frank Murphy is a good friend of
mine and I made a play to him to get Chandler and endorse Murphy. He said
he couldn't. I suggested he endorse the President and what he is doing and how
well we are doing internationally. Great leadership. By value of that, to
make gains, he must have a Republican Senate and therefore the Times is
endorsing him. So opposed to Tunney they will have to go for Murphy. He said

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By KHC NARA, Dato 5/13/04

Schreiber/Kissinger

5:50 pm

10/15/70

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S: (cont) maybe. So we have tried to work it out so they could gracefully turn around. I just talked to Chandler (or possibly Murphy -- missed the name but caught the inference) and said the President knew it was in his hands and I talked to Haldeman. Since you will be there the fact that perhaps you will not have Republicans in the Senate so in your briefing you can bring that in.

K: I will bring it in.

S: They said the other night about what they thought he should do. I said I believe in democracy with a dictator. You say he should do this or that but it takes a certain kind of man to do what we are doing now. He is a great guy and a wonderful man and doing a great job and I hope we will get gains in the next years. One more administration beyond '72.

K: Don't worry about the lunch. If it takes 45 mins. to serve I have no personal interest in it and your people should feel good. The only reason -- It was the President's idea. If you want to cut it to half an hour, that's fine.

S: We wanted more time but we were reluctant. I said to come and bring friends. We have 150 already. We may have to bring chairs in when you speak. We announced the President was sending an emissary. They feel they have something to learn. Our little group at dinner last raised a hell of a lot of money for Murphy.

K: Will these fellows want to ask questions?

S: Take 45 mins. and then 15 mins of questions. You will get two or three. That's enough. The more questions they ask, the bolder they get.

K: They don't worry me. I can handle them.

S: I know.

K: I have handled the Washington press corps.

S: I am very sensitive to bringing concern to you fellows.

K: You are a good friend.

S: I will see you at 11:00.

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By: KHC NARA, Dale S/12/04

The President/Mr. Kissinger

October 15, 1970 6 p.m.

jlj

P: How do you like that [about the Russian plane being highjacked?]

K: Terrific

P: I was told it was a Jewish couple. From Russia. Did you hear that?

K: I had seen a report a couple of weeks ago that the Soviet airliners were the most vulnerable. They take special precautions.

P: Killed the stewardess. What do you think the Russians are going to do.

K: In my opinion they will be tough. Because they do not want to set an example that this can be done to them.

P: Tough on the Turks. I...

K: Criminal charges probably [will be brought against them.]

P: That is fair enough. ... highjackings ...

K: Question of political ...

P: There is a lot of antisemitism in Russia now.

K: Russians are very tough. I do not think [they will let this go.]

P: This is one we will stay out of. I do not want the Turks to get into any trouble.

K: I am sure they will send the plane back. I am not sure they will send the people back.

P: It's just like we have a hell of a time.

K: Plane and passengers will be returned. It is an amazing phenomenon.

P: It is good that it happened.

K: Shows that it is a universal problem.

P: Maybe we could have a line or two in the UN speech.

K: Put in the speech that you asked for this last year.

By KHU NARA, Date 5/12/04

P: Did you get the other thoughts that I had.

If

K: Yes. We are working them in now. /Things broke right in the
Soviet Union we could ....

P: Compete in other fields. People need a little hope. We have been
tough on them and now we must give them a little hope. How about
Ambassador Korry. Is there anything new?

EX K: I saw Karamassines today. That looks hopeless. I turned it
off. Nothing would be worse than an abortive coup.

P: Just tell him to do nothing. What I am afraid with the ... that
Charlie Meir (phonetic) will get him in his clutches and continue a
lot of AID and I am not going to do a thing for them. I won't [continue
that much aid there.]

K: They have not said that they are nationalizing any companies, them
or anything.

P: I think the line with him is to be coolly detached. After all he has
not been selected yet. -----

K: If he is ...

P: Then we cut him off. KKKKK Hickenlooper applies. This country
has gotten 2-1/2 million dollars. Worst [diplomatic mess we have
gotten ourselves into.]

K: You have said it all along and I was not at all sure until [until just
lately.] I had the Chilean Ambassador in today. He said is that what
we accomplished. Is that what we have worked for. [He is a very
nice man.]

P: Sweet people. Chileans are all washed out. About this UN KKKK thing.
UN thing with a little business of 1/2 savings from this or that.

K: I think 1/3 would be more realistic.

P: 1/3 - I think personally 1/2. 1/3 looks a little chinsy. Just say 1/2.
--- [Have to have] something to offer. ... peaceful competition ...
Pick up some lines that have not been in any draft I have seen yet.

K: I have been looking over a new draft this afternoon. The new one is
better. I will have it for you some time during this evening.

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By KHC NARA, Date 5/13/04

Telecon

Bob Haldeman

10/16/70 7:35 p.m.

H: Schreiber says you can have an hour and a half.

K: Do I need that?

H: No, I just said it wouldn't work out to do it in half an hour. He said we were just trying to be easy on Henry. I said an hour would be about right: half an hour for the presentation and half an hour for the questions and answers. He said that's perfect, however Henry wants to work it. He's ~~extremely~~ ecstatic; he's got 125 acceptances. The thing's booming.

K: That's fine. I'll talk to him tomorrow about some of the details.

H: He's rather have an hour.

K: I just thought if I go all the way out there I would do it right.

H: You're damn right.

K: Will the President be in town on the 21st?

H: Yes, he's seeing Souvanna Phouma that day. That's the day you told him he had to.

K: I'll have Haig sit in.

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By: KLC NARA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCON
Flanigan/Kissinger
afternoon 10/15/70

F: We just got a copy of a sample cable sent by Schneider in Tokyo.

K: Dick Snyder?

F: I think don't know. He has sent a cable to Trezise and Green saying that Miazawa told them of the talks we had with me and they don't accept it and want to send two fellows to talk with Shultz and have President say we will work this out.

K: Do they Tell them to go to hell.

F: I agree. What does this have to do with your contacts over there?

K: Either Sato is incompetent or tricky. It seems he wants to come to an agreement and we cannot come up with a formula.

F: 20 categories.

K: And we would come back if you don't like it. They know how to get an agreement. Either we give them 23 categories or 18, it makes no difference.

F: Category ceilings.

K: They That being the case -- that's the problem. My fellow called back. It's the old record we used for 6 months. The President will not raise it. I will advise the President to refuse to discuss it. Wait until it's reached a negotiable level.

F: I don't see how he can see the fellow.

K: He can but he shouldn't discuss textiles.

F: We should reply that this suggestion is not acceptable.

K: The President will not agree to such a statement. Tell him. Unless there's a basic principle on agreement.

F: We have stonewalled them because they don't agree. They indicate they will accept basket provision for wool and textiles with a two categories in each one. We could if we have them with 3 wool and 5 manmade.

K: Yes but that's departure for the next negotiation. I don't like the idea of going way down and seeing how that does that go?

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By: KHL NARA, Date: 5/12/04

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F: ?? ?? is greater before than after Sato.

K: I am not sure.

F: If we want to be in a position to veto the trade bill then we will have some obligation.

K: Why don't they propose it?

F: They haven't.

K: They must move in our direction. If they suggest something, we could work with them. They are playing games.

F: They offered 70-80%.

K: There's not good faith there. My guy said Sato is working on industry. We have to have some categories. We have told them what we want. Have them make a counter-proposal. Keep the heat on Sato.

F: Before replying I should hear back from Ushiba. Trezise could answer direct.

K: He should. That would be my suggestion.