TELECON
The President
Mr. Kissinger
7/14, 11:15 p.m.

President said the new outbreaks of trouble between Hondurans and Salvadorans was "silly damn business." K said I think we have a very good record on it. K said Ziegler said the newspaper people have been amazed with the activity we have undertaken last week and this. P said just so they know we are on top of it. K said he just talked to Charlie Meyer at State about things he might be doing. K said they have talked to Honduran Ambassador and he only requested that we get the OAS team down there. State has called the Salvadoran Ambassador who is coming in at 9:30 tomorrow morning. K said he called Nelson and he agrees that we should not do anything tonight and Nelson will call in a.m. P said I thought that would help our image. K said OAS is not going down until tomorrow morning. We are providing plane and Plazo is leading the team. K said the Salvadoran Ambassador said it is a matter of national honor that they do something. They are afraid there will be a coup. They have a very unruly army. P said I suppose the Congress will raise up and say stop sending arms. K said I am having a memorandum prepared which has all these facts. P said it is probably too little for us to get involved in. But if we have to, let's get the credit. OK, that's enough. Go to bed.

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William Sullivan
Mr. Kissinger
7-15-69 9:30 AM

S said he was calling on business of what Cabot says in private session -
does not know from whom they came but he has a couple of suggestions
that K made. K said one point which seemed inconsistent concerned
the first time he talks about withdrawal. S said he did not catch that
and K is entirely correct and that will be put in. K said the other point
derives from something the President said to K that we should not push
a lot of different kinds of elections right now. S asked if K had read what
Thieu said in backgrounder and K said no. K said that he thought
we could meet the President's point by keep ing that instruction
as a response - that we do not volunteer it. S said o.k. - he has no
strong feeling. S said he knows Thieu wants to keep it as vague as
possible. K said we could fudge what we said. S said he did not like
the word control in connection with rate of withdrawal - suggested the
word influence. K agreed.

K asked whether they have agreed to a meeting yet. S said he does not
know - he has not heard from Paris yet.

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TELCOM
Secy Laird
Mr. Kissinger
7-15-69 4:20 PM

L said they have some good hard intelligence information that has been
developed which L thinks the President should have. L also mentioned
briefing of Stennis and Russell. K asked what it is about and L said
SS 9 - specific info as to how targeted, projections, etc.

K said his only concern is that President is trying to keep as
much time as possible for trip preparation preparation. L said he thinks
it is most significant from standpoint of Safeguard. K agreed. K asked
whom L was thinking about briefing and L said Stennis, Russell, Tower,
Jackson and possibly Mrs. Smith. K asked if CIA goes along with L and L
said he will send over to K exactly what CIA signed off on today.

K said he is sympathetic and will talk to the President.

L said they have all the maps where various missions are.

K said he would see President at 6:30 and bring this up.

L said they tried to pin him down (up on Hill) about maximum pressure.

L and K discussed Gore.

jm

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Telecon
Secretary Laird

9:30 a.m.

7/16/69

K said he spoke to the President and he was infavor of Laird's
proposal on the briefing. L wanted to know if the President wanted
him to give it just to Jackson, Stennis, Towers and Mrs. Smith
or would the Pres. want to be included. K suggested that he go
ahead with the four. The President w might want it at a later date.

L mentioned that he heard there were questions on his testimony.
He sent over a transcript and suggested that he K go over it and
call him if there were any questions. K wasn't aware of anything
and said probably Hig had called Persley after Laird said someone
in his office told him of the query. Laird said the Committee had
a copy of the military order which was Top Secret and questioned
him from that. The military order indicates that we are to destroy
the enemy. K said the President hadn't brought up anything but if
he did, K would certainly call Laird.

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TELCON
Col Borman
Mr. Kissinger
7-16-69 4:10 PM

B said NASA wants us to call head of Soviet Academy and find out what their moon ship is doing and asked K's opinion. K said he has no strong objections but is not enthusiastic. K asked if they were really concerned that there is danger to our mission and if so, B should definitely call. K said if it is just curiosity, however, he did not think it should be done. K said everyone agrees that B is the best one to call -- play the wide-eyed country boy who wants to find out. B said he could say friends of his are heading to the moon and he wants to make sure nothing will happen to them as a result of their <u>new</u> moon ship. B said if there is a major need for information, does K agree that Keldish would be best one. K said yes. K said if there really is a grave danger we should call in Charge and tell him to knock it off.

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Telecon
Senator Percy
4:50 p.m. 7/16/69

More discussion on Vietnam statement from Senators. P thought we lost the day with the hawks. Aiken's reaction to what he saw on the floor made him flee. P said it is difficult being associated with the hardliners.

During the Monday morning session they are planning a colloquy. Aiken has prepared a statement which K asked to have sent over. Mansfield said he would engage in it too. He asked if K wanted to send over some notes for Symington to follow and K said he would do so in the morning.

P said he also discussed this with Fulbright. They got into a discussion re SALT and wanted to know if there was anything further on it. K said no, we might know something by Friday. P was afraid Fulbright would go to Harriman. Fulbright wanted assurance from K personally that we would abide by any government. K said he could give that assurance but it would be harmful if the fact was made public that we would drop the Thieu government. K said if free elections were held and the people voted for the communists, we would insist that Thieu uphold the letter of agreement and abide by the new government. K said he would call Fulbright.

P said Cooper was hung up on the unilateral withdrawal part. Cooper thinks P is going too far with the statement. P also talked to Gore. The most he could do with him was to get him at least not to condemn us. Gore is hung up on the same things that Harriman is, i.e. lessening of fighting. K said they have to give us room for tactics. P said if someone could talk to him on that point, he may be helpful. K mentioned again that we didn't want an endorsement of all of our policies just that they have prepared a reasonable form for negotiations.

P said Muskie was doubtful. It was politics with him, and he doesn't know what he wants to do. He doesn't want to talk substance. P asked for names of anyone else K would like him to contact, and K said he would think on that.

P discussed lead time parts on Spartan and Sprint. He said he would put in an amendment if there is a dollar limitation and if it would help Packard. He didn't think they would vote on it until the President returned from the trip.

K thanked him for all his help.

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TELCON
Secy Laird
Mr. Kissinger
7-16-69 5:15 PM

L said he just wanted K to know that he has reviewed all plans and they
are in good shape as far as troops, etc., in connection with El Salvador
and Honduras. L said if any request is made of them, everything is in
order. K asked how much we would have to get in there and L said
not too much. K said if OAS asked us to put in peacekeeping force, what
then. L said very few in number to start with - would not want to go
with more than 300. L said there are some Marines in Panama on
maneuvers and we could bring them back; there are also some other teams
in Panama that we could get in rapidly. L said he thinks El Salvador
wants to get in a little further - a battle plan is to go in their, take a few
places and establish a bargaining position and then start talking to that
team. L said they are almost down the highway in Honduras and only a few
more miles to go. L thinks that is as far as they will go but he could be
wrong. K asked about ammunition. L said El Salvador has enough to last
but he thinks Honduras is out. L said there are 3,300 American citizens
in each place and they have plans for evacuation which are in the hands of
State Dept. L said Def has ability to carry it out.

jm

TELCON
The President
Mr. Kissinger
7-16-69 5:45 PM

Pres said what he would like to do on Huges thing since Hughes never sees anyone is for K to call Bebe Rebozo and give him background.
Tell him that we are going out there and Pres has commissioned K to call on Hughes. Hughes has man working for him by name of Dick Daner and Bebe will call him and see if this will work or whether the Pres should write to Hughes. K said he has already written to Hughes along this same line. Pres said then K should call Rebozo and have him follow up with Daner. Pres said Bebe will let K know what further steps should be taken - Pres wants Daner to know that he has seen it too.

K said he just had long talk with Percy and they are unable to get 80 senators. What they have agreed on now is that Aiken will make speech and K said Percy read parts of it and it sounds very favorable.
Percy will read statement we gave him claiming that it is his own) and Symington is willing to say something which we will draft - Cooper and Mansfield also on board. K said Percy talked to Fulbright and Fulbright said if K privately assured him that we would abide by result of free elections even if it brought Communists to power he would be helpful. Pres said we have said we would abide by results whoever wins. K said if he is willing to give Fulbright that assurance he is willing to support us. Pres agreed.

Pres asked about Indian Amb and K said he is out of town but his Minister is coming in at 6:00.

jm

TELCON
Elliot Richardson
Mr. Kissinger
7-16-69 5:55 PM

R said he and Davies had session with Secy this afternoon on Israeli
situation and he goes along with scenario we have outlined. K said
he had talk with Pres this morning and he is very leery of cutting off
phantoms. He wants to talk to Golda Meir when she is here - not
eager to get conversation started with Roby ? R said Rogers goes
along with scenario except for phantoms. K said he is in accord with
President then. R said Secy did think it would be *useful for
him to call in Rabin and get started. K said R should hold off. Paper
is going up tonight. R asked if K had factual description of the background
and K said yes - that would go to Pres too.

R's

K said he forgot to mention at lunch that/instinct as to what Pres
might decide on SALT seems to be borne out. K said we might need
R's help if this happens because of cries of pain that will come from ACDA.
R said he would be glad to help.

jm

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TELCONE
President
Mr. Kissinger
7-16-69 6:40 PM

K said he has talked to the Indian and laid it on the line with him - did
it in guise of reviewing with all Ambs, saying we were puzzled about
official and state visit. Pres said that is only kind he will ever make.
K said he told Indian one reason for going to India is to indicate our
interest in India's progress. K brought up comparison that would be
made by different kind of reception in India, etc. Pres asked about
political situation and K said he does not think there is a problem.
Indian indicated there might not be a President, but since President
plays no role anyhow, it does not make matter. Indian does not think
Mrs. Ghandi will resign - risks of new election are too great for everyone.

K said he now has copy of Aiken statement, which he thinks is pretty good.
K read the statement to the Pres. K said we will get six or seven
statements and Pres said that would be helpful. K said he thinks it will
bring up Hanoi short - demonstrates their policy of breaking P's public
support has not worked.

K said he thinks Indian think is on the rails - he understood immediately

jm

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TELCON
Bebe Rebozo
Mr. Kissinger
7-16-69 7:25 PM

K said he was talking to the Pres a few minutes ago and gathers that
letter from Hughes Hughes letter came thru R. K said he has replied
to Hughes telling him it was hard to answer in a letter and offering to
see him on West Coast. K said Pres suggested that R might do something
something to get this to Mr. Danner and also make sure that Hughes
gets the message. R said he would call Danner. K said to tell him
that when K is on the West Coast in Aug he would be delighted
to come up and give Hughes a briefing. R asked if K thought that would
be too late. K said no - tell him there are so many review provisions
built into this that it will still be useful.

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TELECON
Senator Fulbright
Mr. Kissinger
7/16/69, 7:40 p.m.

K said he wanted to talk to F about a conversation he had with Chuck Percy this afternoon concerning a number of Senators who are planning to talk on the Floor on Monday with respect to Vietnam negotiations and that he was told F would consider doing this if he could be assured on the point that we would abide by the results of general free elections. K said he spoke to the President and F can be assured that we will abide by the outcome of the elections even with a Communist majority. F said he realized that this is a very difficult thing to do. K said we are going to use every strap of influence we have to make sure the elections are conducted so that the Communists get a fair run. K said we got Thieu to agree to a joint electoral commission on which the Communists will be represented. K said we are not committed to maintain a government in Saigon against popular wishes. F said he was glad to hear that. F asked K if he called it "mixed electoral commission," and K said yes, Thieu offered that on Friday and that is what we urged. F asked what would happen to the Constitution. K said nothing was said about that in the offer -- it was said that the NLF could participate in full force and that, K said, is in violation of the Constitution. In order to implement the offer the Constitution would have to be amended. K said Thieu fully understands that and it was discussed at Midway. K said if Hanoi would talk seriously we are confident that we could come up with a solution that is fair and reasonable. K again said we are not there to keep any one government in power and said this, of course, we don't want to be quoted on. F said he would like to say something to move it off dead center but it wouldn't be done on Monday because you people over there have declared it a holiday. K said that he forgot about that. F said it would have to be done on Tuesday.

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Hal Saunders
Mr. Kissinger
9:10 p. m., 7-16-69

HAK called S at the Grants and said he had just been reading over S's memos and except for some nitpicks they are first class. HAK said he had only one question, i. e., who wrote the military supply policy paper? S said I did. HAK said that is also a first class paper. Who else has it? S said no one - it is the type of thing I would have done if we had had an NSC on it. S said it is not a recommendation really. It is just one man's attempt to take a crack at it. There is plenty of room for argument there.

HAK said I just wanted to know where we stood with it. It is very good. S said it could stand more work. HAK said I will leave it in there. It is excellent. S said I admit it comes down in one direction. S said how do you feel about the logic of it? HAK said my own view would be not to discourage third country ills to Pakistan. S said we are not but it really has not worked for a variety of reasons. The Turkish thing came closest to it.

HAK said I would not want to get involved in selling arms there but probably would not prevent other countries. S said we will probably have to have an NSC when we come back.

HAK said I think it is a darned good paper. Both of them are good. Do you think the Indians are going to turn out crowds. S said that guy is very bright (that HAK met with) and understands what you say. I told him I thought one of the problems was that the advance man was not getting answers. He immediately said that Nehru was furious with the people for letting political things get in the way. I think your (HAK's) message got through and when it gets high level attention I think it will work out. I think when Singh goes home and Mrs. Gandhi focuses on this we will have a better time of it. HAK said thank you very much and thanks for the really first class papers.

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