TelCon

Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

9:05 am, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry, you were calling.

K: Yes. How are you Anatol.

D: I think yesterday was quite an evening.

K: Yes, it was very good. Anatol, did you see what Victor Louis said in Tel Aviv of all places.

D: No. What did he say.

K: Well, he said there'll be an agreement on the prevention of nuclear wars.

D: In his special ??

K: Yes.

D: I don't know. ..... only four men knows. Nobody else is allowed.

K: The signing of an agreement to prevent nuclear war would be a logical step to climax the new relationships between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, a move that will justify the meeting between the two countries.

D: Well I only know one thing. When Brezhnev was here--

K: Look, Anatol, I would not assume that you would choose Tel Aviv as the place to make such a pronouncement.

D: I'm sure. But how did he know. And divulge full affairs. I will tell you, what could I do else Henry.

K: I'll send over--well it's on your ticker. Reuters 40.

D: I don't have Reuters. But probably

K: Well, I'll send a copy over,

D: Okay. Thank you and I will speak with you. I don't even know how it happen.

K: I'll see you later.

D: Okay. 11:30, okay.

K: Right, Bye.

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TelCon

Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

9:05 am, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

K: Yes. How are you Anatol.

D: No. What did he say.

D: In his special ? ?

K: Yes.

K: The signing of an agreement to prevent nuclear war would be a logical step to climax the new relationships between the U. S. and the Soviet Union, a step that will justify the meeting between the two states countries.

D: Well I only know one thing. When Breshnev was here--

K: Well, I'll send a copy over.

K: I'll see you later.

D: Okay. 11:30. okav.

K: Right. Bve.

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9:37 am, June 19, 1973

D: Hello.

K: Anatol, a number of minor things. The President thinks it might be preferable for the General Secretary to be met at 4:00 this afternoon.

D: At 4:00?

K: Yes, it gives him a chance to rest.

D: Okay, I think it a good idea.

K: Yes, and from thee we go straight to the boat.

D: What will be, approximately 6:30?

K: Yeah, and we'll be back by 9:15.

D: 9:15, I think nice.

K: And that way he can have a quiet night.

D: I think is a good one. How many

K: Five, he doesn't want more than five on your side.

D: Including the General Secretary, or

K: Including the General Secretary.

D: The General plus four. Okay.

K: Yes, but if you want only to have the General Secretary plus three that's all right with us too.

D: Okay,

K: Can you let me know fairly soon.

D: I give you at the ceremony, all right. You going to be at State Dept.

K: Yes, I'll be there. I'll sit in the 30th row. They will probably put me in the 30th row.

D: I will come to you, tell you. I will be there around 10:30.

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K: And as I said, we'll make it 4:00.

D: Yes, 4:00 and approximately 6:30.

K: Okay good. And you will give me the names, and I think those were
the only problems I now have.

D: Is not a big problem you have.

K: No, I think things are going well.

D: I think so. And yesterday, everything was arranged quite all right.
And really, Gromyko was really impressed with this--he likes this
one.

K: Well, I love the presents you were kind enough to send over to me.

D: I specially, the day before yesterday, when we have here--he said
he would really like me to pick up something for you.

K: Well it was beautiful.

D: I think it quite all right.

K: Thank you.

D: Okay, Henry. Bye bye.

K: Bye.

TelCon

Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

9:37 am, June 19, 1973

D: Hello.

D: At 4:00?

K: Yes, and from these we go straight to the beat.

D: 9:15, I think nice.

D: I think it is a good one. How many

D: Okay,

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K: Well it was beautiful.

K: Thank you.

D: Okay, Henry. Bye bye.

K: Bye.

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11:15 am, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

D: Hello Henry.

K: Anatol, we are getting reports from Antonov that you want to change the schedule today.

D: I don't know, the Secretary just came, so I don't know yet. What schedule, about boat?

K: Well, about going up to Camp David in the afternoon, and that would be very inconvenient for us.

D: No, no, but you have a 4:00 meeting in the White House.

K: We just don't want the General Secretary to raise it with the President. He doesn't like to be involved in things like that.

D: No, no, I have already discussed with the Secretary, he said yes. Tell me, what was really why I and you have to discuss, I approach him about this Victor Louis.

K: Yes.

D: He just asked me to assure you and the President that there is nothing from our side I should say.

K: Well, Mr. Louis is from your side. He didn't get it from us.

D: Well, the idea is Gromyko thinks he remember you gave some nuclear
______ under the---you remember the Italian.

K: Well, that wasn't accurate but this one is pretty accurate.

D: Well, it didn't come from us. I'm just telling what I know.

K: I'm sure it doesn't come from the foreign office, but Victor Louis doesn't work with the foreign office.

D: I don't know how he is--he's newspaper man.

K: Sometimes when we have lunch I'll tell you where I think he works.

D: Well, in this connection, because I report in here really he felt rather angry the development about the statement. That's why I think discuss

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everything else, because he's now thinking that maybe today we will
have in the afternoon to sign this major document.

K: Oh, no, no, no.

D: But this is his idea. To sign one today only with Gromyko, and leave
other for another day, but sign this one.

K: That's out of the question.

D: Out of the question. Why.

K: Because the President won't agree to it. We have to talk to too many
people here.

D: Before.

K: Yes. It's absolutely out of the question.

D: And do it tomorrow morning.

K: No, we can't do it.

D: The same.

K: We have to wait now on the schedule.

D: The schedule.

K: That's all right, we can handle it. Look, the President is ready to
leave and I'd better--

D: I will tell him.

K: But that's out of the question.

D: Okay, I have to go right away because he's coming.

K: Okay, bye.

D: Bye.

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TelCon

Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

11:15 am, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

D: Hello Henry.

K: Yes.

D: Well, the idea is Gromyko thinks he remember you gave some nuclear under the---you remember the Italian.

D: I don't know how he is--he's a newspaper man.

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K: Oh, no, no, no.

D: Out of the question. Why.

D: Before.

K: No, we can't do it.

D: The same.

D: The schedule.

D: I will tell him.

K: Okay, bye.

D: Bye.

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TelCon
Herb Schlosser/Mr. Kissinger

12:12 pm, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

S: Hello Henry, how are you.

K: Okay.

S: I know you're busy so I'm calling on a personal note. You not only advised on international affairs of state but you gave me some advice and I wanted to tell you that NBC will announce tomorrow that I'm being made president of the Television network.

K: Congratulations.

S: I just wanted to tell you because we had that meeting in happier times a year ago, in April, and we road in the car and you said stay where you are and I did.

K: I remember very well.

S: And it should be out tomorrow and I wanted you to know it before, not that it will get much space, but it is a--

K: Well, congratulations and I'm proud to know you.

S: Well you know how I feel about you. How are you.

K: I'm fine.

S: Good, I know you must be harried and busy, but I just wanted--

K: It's a hectic week but I'm really delighted.

S: Right. I hope I get to see you soon.

K: I hope so too very much.

S: Are you going to be aut in California soon.

K: I'll be out at the end of this week and I'll be there for two weeks.

S: I'm going out there Sunday, and I'll be there--are you going to be in L.A. Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

K: I'll be in San Clemente, but we could probably figure out a way of meeting.

DECEMBER 1988

DECEMBER 1988

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P: Does it have anything to do with the Brezhnev visit this time?

K: I don't know why you would have such a thought.

P: Because I'm trying to be a good reporter instead of a speculator.

K: No, we had a number of subjects to review.

P: And you don't think you could tell me any of them?

K: No, I really can't

P: Well, OK, how long was he there by the way, Henry?

K: About 50 minutes.

P: 50

K: Yeh.

P: OK. How're the talks going with Brezh?

K: They're going along very well.

P: You're optimistic?

K: Yeh, I'm optimistic. Well, it's within the framework that I indicated to you and that we had planned.

P: Right.

K: But I think that it will be constructive. The progress is good.

P: Good. I'm glad to hear that. All right, Henry, thank you.

K: Don't make a world-shaking story out of that Chinese visit.

P: It's not going to be, but I've got to do a piece on it.

K: I'm not asking you not to.

P: It won't be. I won't go off in wide speculation. Thank you very much, Henry.

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TelCon
Sonnenfeldt/Mr. Kissinger

12:47 pm, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

S: Hi. I never believed you when you said he was a genius.

K: Oh, he's a vicious moron.

S: Obviously he's talked to some people who probed this thing out and he didn't understand what it was all about. In the ____ guidelines are the ones that say Percival overwhelming commence an attack and NATO will use nuclear weapons and consult.

K: Yeah, but you know the nightmare is if the son of a bitch raises that question himself, how can he ____ defend himself against that charge.

S: You know your two communications that you approved, in fact, addressed that point specifically, without citing 5(b)--

K: 5(b), there's nothing in the agreement that prohibits the use of nuclear weapons.

S: On the contrary, it sanctifies it.

K: That's right.

S: Oh, I explained again to him how article 2 is related to article 1, and in fact

K: And in any event, article 5 takes care of it.

S: Well, so I think he's all right.

K: But why did he discuss it with anyone.

S: God only knows. I didn't say anything to Alex about this, but it certainly would be nice if Alex had his briefing on Thursday, could say that there would be another briefing on something on Friday, so that

K: No, no, no. I'm not sure I'm going to let Alex do any briefing. I think I'm going to do the briefing.

S: Well, if you look at the thing I pushed onto you on SALT, you ought to do it because it's good. I'm just sending it over to you.

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K: Well, I want the SALT, but I need it for the press briefing too.

S: Well, you have one.

K: When is Johnson supposed to do it.

S: On Thursday morning. So far, he's only been told to do it for his constituents, and not to the joint leadership. That is not apparently been clarified yet.

K: He isn't going to do it Thursday morning. I'm not playing these God damned self-serving games. He's going to do it an hour before.

S: Whenever you want it. He'll stand by and do it whenever you tell him to do it.

K: Okay. Do I also get a page on the peaceful uses.

S: The whole package is just ready to come over now.

K: Okay, fine. Now you can come up to Camp David tomorrow.

S: All right. Are we going to have some transportation here.

K: You work that out.

S: Okay. You're going up tonight.

K: Probably, yes.

S: Congratulations.

K: Thank you.

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TelCon

Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

12:55 pm, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

D: Hello.

K: As far as I can tell Anatol, our leaders are spending all their time on schedules.

D: Yes, this is my impression too. So at 4:00 o'clock then--

K: Now, Brezhnev has made the President so self-confident that he's moved it to 4:30 to give him a little more time to rest.

D: 4:30, okay. But let's make it no more than one hour.

K: One and a half hours.

D: Okay, then we'll go there okay. Then at 4:30.

K: Right. Because you know who's taking the most time, with all due respect.

D: I yield here that remark on my friends.

(Laughter)

K: There's no danger that the President will say too much about economics.

D: And another field make the big statement.

K: Can you tell me whom you want on the boat.

D: On the boat there will be Secretary General, Gromyko, myself and Alecsandra.

K: Okay, not Petolychev.

D: No.

K: That's five of you.

D: No, I think four of us.

K: That's right, four of you.

D: You can count up to five.

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K: Four.

D: Four, and there'll be something, this is not a document, it's five, but they will not be present.

K: All right, now on our side there will be myself, Rogers and the President.

D: Rogers will be there.

K: You'd rather not have him.

D: Oh, no, it's quite all right with us. You decide it. I'm just thinking of who from our side. Nobody else. There is no problem.

K: All right, so we'd better find one other person.

D: No, no, you shouldn't really, just for the sake of have exact quantity. I think -- we have four against three, we are quite happy.

K: Okay, fine. XXXXX

D: So, 4:30, yes.

K: 4:30. And wait a minute now. The President says he would like to have Ziegle riding on the boat but not eating with us, but it's up to you, what do you think.

D: Well, I have to check, because he just mentioned to me this will be what--

K: They won't sit in at the meeting.

D: But they will just sit--I think it's all right. Let's make it this way--

K: Now how about this afternoon, should they be in at the meeting

D: Who, Zieglefr and ______. I think it will be too many people.

K: That's what I think. Okay.

D: Okay, bye bye.

K: Bye.

TelCom

Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

12:55 pm, June 19, 1973

K: Hello.

D: Hello.

K: Now, Breshnov has made the President so self-confident that he's moved it to 4:30 to give him a little more time to rest.

K: One and a half hours.

(Laughter)

K: Okay, not Petolychev.

D: No.

K: That's five of you.

D: No, I think four of us.

K: That's right, four of you.

D: You can count up to five.

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D: 12PM

A: 12PM

N: 12AM

D: 12AM

A: 12AM

N: 12AM

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K: Four.

D: Rogers will be there.

K: You'd rather not have him.

K: Okay, fine. OK

D: So, 4:30, yes.

K: 4:30. And wait a minute now. The President says he would like to have Ziegler riding on the boat but not eating with us, but it's up to you, what do you think.

D: Who, Ziegler and ______. I think it will be too many people.

K: That's what I think. Okay.

D: Okay, bye bye.

K: Bye.

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TelCon
President/Mr. Kissinger

2:32 pm, June 19m1973

K: Mr. President.

P: Henry, we have a little weather problem tonight which means we probably can't get my helicopter to Camp David and I'm just having it checked with Al and military people to see if we can go by helicopter to some place about half way, and from there we'll just drive on up, which would be a nice thing for him too. Just he and I alone in the car with Victor. We are checking it all out, cause I can't take any--they wouldn't risk even then, but I don't want him to feel uncomfortable in the damn thing.

K: Right. But that wouldn't be instead of the boat trip.

P: Oh, no, no. We've still got to do the boat trip. I want to do the boat trip, I think that's a good thing.

K: I think it's a good thing, definitely.

P: We'd like to knock that economic thing off in about an hour, can we.

K: Well, I think I'd let it go about 4:30 to 6:00.

P: All right. But can we knock it at 6:00.

K: Absolutely. I've already talked to Dobrynin about that.

P: Does he agree.

K: Yes.

P: What does he--Dobrynin feel that he would like to have, what does Brezhnev really want in terms of who goes up there and so forth.

K: My impression is that they'd just as soon not have Rogers.

P: We can't duck that.

K: Exactly, but otherwise it's up to you.

P: Then Rogers and Gromyko, you and who?

K: I think they'll probably want Alexandrov with them.

P: Whoever he wants.

K: And--you can have a small staff up there for him, and they don't have to sit in on the meeting.

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P: Oh, yes, yes, send any of the staff up, that would be nice for them.

K: But those are the only senior people he wants.

P: I understand. I think--did you discuss with Dobrynin the signing thing would have to be Friday.

K: That's no problem anymore. That's all taken care of.

P: I was just sitting here talking to Ron, he said that this fellow Louis put it out. Good God, somebody believe him.

K: Well, he's a cagey guy.

P: I know, one of theirs. But I mean you can stonewall that, can't you.

K: Oh, yes. Absolutely, no question.

P: There's speculation about this anyway.

K: That's right. This hasn't been picked up yet.

P: Well, we'll just knock it down. The main point is Henry, we have got to go to Camp David and discuss some things, you see. The two big announcements are Thursday and Friday, and it just can't be if you put it out tomorrow it'd look as if the whole damned thing was cooked up before he ever got here.

K: Even that would leave plenty of room for your exchanges, but still as you said, it would kill the interest.

P: Oh, we've got to have it--

K: It has to follow your conversations on Wednesday and Thursday morning.

P: The thing to do is to speak to Dobrynin and emphasize to him that--all this is his great initiative as well as mine, and that we've got to talk about it some so that it's built up that way. We've got to build it up to Friday.

K: Exactly. There's no problem about that Mr. President.

P: Okay. How are your friends at the Sans Souci?

K: Well I gave Hugh Sidey a little humor--

P: Oh, God almighty. I don't mind it, but I just saw you put yourself through that torture.

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K: Well, actually he said he had a very interesting experience. He wrote a favorable column about Herb Klein this week.

P: That's nice.

K: And he said he's never had so much mail saying thank God at last somebody is doing something positive, we are sick and tired of getting our Government befouled in the press. So he wants to do another positive piece. So I gave him human interest stuff of your conversations with Brezhnev. And he swore he'd do a favorable piece on it.

P: Okay. Well, we'll do our best. Okay. Then at 4:30 we will all meet and I'll count on you, I don't know who is going to break up the meeting.

K: I'll break it up at 6:00.

P: All right, fine. Be sure Brezhnev knows we're going to break it up.

K: I've already discussed it with Dobrynin and I've told Dobrynin that his leader was the center in this.

P: That's right. Okay.

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TELCONE
General Haig/Mr. Kissinger

2:38 p.m., June 19, 1973

H: Henry, we've got a problem on the weather at Camp David.

K: Yeah. Is that true or is that --

H: Yeah, it's true and it looks like it won't clear up to permit helicopters.

K: Yeah.

H: Now I've got them checking now with the following game plan which isn't too different. And, that is, we'd go down to Mt. Vernon, helicopter back to the nearest location we could get and drive the last bit.

K: Right.

H: Now that may be Hagerstown in which case we'd have a 30-40 minute drive. Or it could be as bad as something closer into Washington in which case the ride would be longer. But that's the least change.

K: Is that worth it?

H: Well, the President wants to go to Mt Vernon, point one. And two, is he would like to get up to Camp David to meet -- But he wouldn't I don't think ever take an automobile drive from here, for example, where it would take an hour and a half. And never from Mt. Vernon where it would take two hours. So let me just sort that out.

K: Yeah. He just called me about it. My nightmare also, quite honestly, is to have those two fellows alone for too long.

H: Yeah, that's right.

K: But if it can't be helped, it can't be helped.

H: Well, you know if we can get to Hagerstown --

K: Hagerstown would be all right.

H: It would take us 30 at the most, not even that I don't think, then that's fine.

K: Yeah, Hagerstown would be good.

H: Okay. Well, I have them checking that right now.

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TELCONE
The President/Mr. Kissinger

2:50 p.m., June 19, 1973

P: There's another possibility which we can consider. I don't know, this weather problem and everything. We could just pass the boat and drive to Camp David, you know, which is he and I just in the car for a chat.

K: That's also a possibility.

P: I think they'd probably prefer that, wouldn't they? They are really sensitive about the boat for some reason, I don't know why.

K: Well, on the other hand, I personally don't give a damn really.

P: He will like it, really.

K: I think he will like it once he's on it. Secondly, they just shouldn't feel that they can run everything.

P: That's quite true. That's why we had to stand firm.

K: It's more that psychological aspect, Mr. President.

P: Right, right, right. I agree.

K: And I talked to Haig and he's working on it.

P: All right, good.

K: If we can get up to Hagerstown, I think that would be --

P: Fine, okay.

K: Right.

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4:32 pm, June 19, 1973

D: He would like to be excused for he will be late for 15 minutes.

K: Certainly.

D: So he will be there 15 minutes before five o'clock.

K: Right.

D: Second, therewas, I think Scowcroft was......(end of tape).....(new tape)
......on a separate tape, separate table with ________, don't you think.
If you like they could be together, it's quite all right with us. A whole
lot better really, because Mr. B rezhnev doesn't want to be interr upt,
I rather make the decision. So if you like,

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K: Does he want Zumyadkin and Ziegler there, or not.

D: He doesn't care, reall;y. They could schedule two of us.

K: Anatol, you arrange with--what's your personal view.

D: I don't mind. Let them sit down with all of them. If you want them
there, let them sit together.

K: All right. Should we have them there.

D: Oh, why not. Because I don't want to have a quarrel with the press,
yours or ours.

K: You've got yours under pretty good control.

D: I know. I tell you really-----he said make a decision and its all right
with me. So if you want them to have table........

K: Okay, so you're bringing Zumyadkin in other words.

D: Now the Sec. Genl is telling him, consulting what kind of statement he
has to make in connection with this pa rticular committee. So I don't
know whether he will be able to come because of this thing or not, but
he knows he is invited there and he--

K: Okay, then they'll sit at the table.

D: Yeah, if you will have a time to come--

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K: And you and I are not permitted to sit at the table.

D: Yeah, we will be sitting at a separate table.

K: You'd have a lot more fun.

D: I hear you, really. Another possibility--

K: I will never have another summit in which everything is settled beforehand.'

D: (laughter) The same for ;me. Now I have at liberty to do it really
he said okay. We will have a separate table and then I think we will
be looking more without envy.

K: That's it, you and I try next year's summit.

D: Now really, it's all right to do it together at one table, no problem.

K: Okay, good.

D: He will be late maybe ten minutes.

K: That's all right.

D: Okay, thank you very much Henry.

K: Bye.

D: Bye bye.

TelCon

Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

4:32 pm, June 19, 1973

K: Certainly.

D: So he will be there 15 minutes before five oclock.

K: Right.

D: Second, therewas, I think Scowcroft was......(and of tape).....(new tape) ......on a separate tape, separate table with ________, don't you think. If you like they could be together, it's quite all right with us. A whole lot better really, because Mr. Breshmawt Joesn't want to be interrupt, I rather make the decision. So if you like,

D: He doesn't care, really. They could schedule two of us.

K: You've got you're under pretty good control.

D: I know. I tell you really---he said make a decision and its all right with me. So if you want them to have table......

D: Now the Sec. Genl is telling him, consulting what kind of statement he has to make in connection with this particular committee. So I don't know whether he will be able to come because of this thing or not, but he knows he is invited there and he--

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TELCONE

Mr. Kissinger/Amb. Dinitz

6/21/73 2:46 p.m.

HK: Hello, Mr. Ambassador, I wanted to explain the tactical situation to you. I think I can--we can avoid a joint top level statement

AD: Hm huh.

HK: Ah--which I would assume would be in your interest.

AD: Right.

HK: But that is more easily manageable.

AD: You mean at the lower level.

HK: Yes.

AD: Hm huh. After the summit

HK: Yes. That still remains to be seen.

AD: I see. Good. On the basis of what we have discussed?

HK: Yes, taking into account all your newest suggestions also.

AD: I understand.

HK: None of which has yet been discussed with the other side, but that just depends on the urgency with which it will be pursued.

AD: I understand. Would it still be within the framework of the present meeting or when the whole thing is over.

HK: Oh no, when the whole thing is over.

AD: So we would have an opportunity to meet before then--

HK: Well, I hope so. You see, I'm not in control of all this, but there is a chance of avoiding -- well there is a good prospect of avoiding a formal statement during the meeting--

AD: I understand--well that in itself is very good.

HK: And there is a chance of avoiding it for sometime afterwards, but that's less possible. But you understand the overall tactical situation

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which makes it impossible to predict when there are so many private meetings going on--where it will evolve.

AD: I understand.

HK: But I can say with confidence that there will not be a joint appeal arising out of the meeting and that the documents will be redone to take into account your views which still are entirely within the context of your basic disagreement with the procedure.

AD: I understand. So if I sum it up, I would say that as the situation stands now your estimate is that there wouldn't be a joint statement on the top level--

HK: Well, there'll be something in the communique

ADL: Yeh, I understand. More or less along the line of public communication of '72.

HK: Hopefully.

AD: Hmmm, I hope not worse.

HK: It is wildly disagreed at this moment.

AD: Well the best way to avoid disagreement is to avoid the communication.

HK: If we say nothing, that will create more commotion.

AD: I understand. Fine, I appreciate you--

HK: It's not going to depart much from the communique.

AD: I understand. My I ask you something else, Dr. Kissinger, any progress on the Jewish question?

HK: We'll hear more about --there was some mention of letting go some of the activists but it hasn't been repeated.

AD: I see, and is the situation still being discussed?

HK: Yes. I'll keep you informed as soon as I have something.

AD: Fine, I appreciate it. I will be going tomorrow to Bermuda for a couple of days for a conference on the UKA (?), but I will have

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TELCONE

Mr. Kissinger/Herb Schlosser

2:55 p.m. 6/21/73

HK: Hello, how are you Herb.

HS: How are you doing?

HK: Okay.

HS: Busy, huh?

HK: This is a hectic period.

HS I was wondering whether you might be free Sunday, Monday night and if you were, I was thinking of calling the Ziffrens or someone and trying to have a nice little dinner.

HK: Well could you come down?

HS: Well, would you want me to? I'm flying out of here on Sunday and should get down to --I should arrive in LA sometime Sunday afternoon --I could come down, if you want me to.

HK Well, Monday is safer for me thatn Sunday

HS: It is. Okay

HK: You know with ths Brezhnev visit, I just--can I call you Saturday?

HS: Sure you can.

HK: I'll call ybu Saturday.

HS: Don't put youself out one iota.

HK: No, I'd love to do it, it's just a question with this Brezhnev visit, I don't have three minutes to myself to think--

HS: Oh I had better give you my telephone number at my summer place: I have two numbers and I will probably be--you have my home phone number

HK: Yes.

TELCONE

Mr. Kissinger/Tom Jarriel

4:12 p.m. 6/21/73

TJ: Hello, Henry, listen you whet my appetite with your response to
George Sherman's question, I think it was, about what other discussions
are underway and I was wondering if on a non-attributable basis, you
could say any more about it. I know the emphasis yesterday was on
the Middle East and I'm wondering--

HK: No, no, I can tell you flatly there will be nothing on the Middle East.

TJ: Not on the middle-East and not on arms?

HK: Not on SALT, I mean not Arms--

TJ: On SALT

HK: (a quiet) no. But I don't really want to go any further than I have.

TJ: Okay, well I suppose that would leave trade and Vietnam and any
number of other things--

HK: You know, it's ah--

TJ: There is nothing else you could give in terms of trying to define it
now without saying specifically what it would be?

HK: No, you know I'm always glad to background and explain, but I don't
like to give out--

TJ: You gave a backgrounder on what we've had pretty much so far
now before the meetings, in fact last week some time.

HK: What I said wasn't a backgrounder.

TJ: Not a backgrounder--

HK: The explanation of what I gave--if you read it you will see that when
it is over it has covered everything.

TJ: Okay, good, thank you very much.

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TELCONE

Senator Fulbright/Mr. Kissinger

4:15 p.m. 6/21/73

SF: Henry.

HK: Mr. Chairman.

SF: I called George Aiken and Jack Javits both and they both said they did not think there would be anybody there, it'd be a complete flop in the morning at 8:30.

HK: Okay.

SF: George said he didn't think more than two or three people would show up.

HK: Okay.

SF: There are 12 (?) who have agreed to come--4 are out of town.

HK: Look, I'll come at 5:00. Look I would have been able to be more frank on one aspect of discussions tomorrow morning, but you'll understand my inhibitions.

SF: Oh sure. Okay, it's room 201 you know.

HK: Good, I'll be there, I have to leave at 6:00, if you'll forgive me.

SR: That's okay.

HK: Good, Mr. Chairman, I'll see you at 5:00.

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8/21/73 10:00 AM

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Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

12:23 a.m., June 22, 1973

D: Hello.

K: Anatol, it's Henry.

D: Yes, he's here, the Secretary with me.

K: Yeah. Really, tell him to relax.

D: Okay.

K: It will be done in a constructive spirit.

D: Um-humm.

K: As a contribution to the prevention of war. The issue of how to conduct a war won't arise because that's not the issue.

D: Yes, this is the point.

K: And that's the point I'm going to make.

D: Okay.

K: I'm going to say if there is --

really

D: He is with me right now discussing with me now.

K: And I'm going to say it's feudal to discuss how to conduct a war because the purpose of the agreement is to prevent a war.

D: Exactly, exactly.

K: That will be the theme.

D: This is the real line.

K: And the line will be this agreement does not address methods for conducting a war.

D: Okay.

K: It addresses questions of how to conduct the peace.

D: Okay.

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Amb. Debrynin/Mr. Kissinger

12:23 a.m., June 29, 1973

D: Hello.

K: Anatol, it's Henry.

D: Okay.

D: Um-humm.

D: Yes, this is the point.

D: Okay.

really

K: And I'm going to say it's fundamental to discuss how to conduct a war because the purpose of the agreement is to prevent a war.

D: Exactly, exactly.

K: That will be the theme.

D: This is the real line.

D: Okay.

D: Okay.

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Roland Evans/Mr. Kissinger

K: Hello.

E: Congratulations, you finally got a lead story in the newspaper.

K: I did, with what.

E: Well, with that signing yesterday.

K: Oh, on SALT, yeah.

E: You can't find Watergate above the fold, you've got to look below the fold to find a Watergate story.

K: I'm telling you.

E: How are you doing.

K: Pretty well.

E: How about having lunch with me today.

K: Lunch, I can't do it.

E: Well since you have lunch with all those other senior reporters and correspondents--

K: Well, I tell you, --

E: I saw you with Sidey over there.

K: Yeah, but on the other hand I figure that--

E: You looked like a peacock, and I saw you with Alsop the other day.

K: Well, but on the other hand I figure that--

E: I write five times a week.

K: But you've got an exclusive to Laird.

E: (Laughing) you said it. How're you doing, Henry.

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K: Doing okay.

E: When can I see you, because you are going to be gone for two weeks.

K: Yeah--

E: Can't I take you to lunch possibly?

K: That's--definitely not, I have some friends from out of town.

E: What time do you leave?

K: Maybe you could drop by for 10 minutes around 3:00.

E: I'd like to.

K: Why don't we aim for that.

E: Is that definite, 3:00 o'clock.

K: Call me at 3:00.

E: I'll call you at 3:00. What time do you leave for San Clemente?

K: We leave here at 4:00.

E: And you are going to be there for two weeks?

K: Yeah, at least. You want to come out?

E: No. What goes on out there.

K: Nothing particularly.

E: You sit in the hot sun in a living room armchair out in the grass in the hot sun, that was the most incongruous picture I've ever seen. With a tie on, and the President in black shoes.

K: That was in Key Biscayne.

E: Yeah, I know. But I mean, that's not my style.

K: It was very spontaneous.

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Joe Califano/Mr. Kissinger

2:52 pm, June 22, 1973

K: Hello.

C: Boy you really set that Sans Souci aflame today.

K: Listen, you Democrats, I've just got to break your heart every once in a while.

C: Very nice. Henry, I won't take much of your time. I gather you're going out of town and so am I. I sent some time ago over that architect thing. Did you ever get a look at it.

K: I looked at it yes. Now what is it--that was in the Soviet Union.

C: That's right. And you'd said, and I know you've got a hell of a lot of more important things to do, but wondered whether or not we are dealing with the right people and whether you thought there was anything real. I don't mean a business judgment, I just mean in terms of policy.

K: All right, let me take a look at it again, and I'll call you next week.

C: Would you mind?

K: Not at all.

C: Okay, Henry. Thank you.

K: Right. Bye.

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Hugh Sidey/Mr. Kissinger

3:00 pm, June 22, 1973

K: Hello.

S: How is it an old bastard like you comes up with thoes beautiful girls and I end up with Mary McCarthy.

K: Listen, Sidey, I just knew I would break all your hearts.

S: You did. Here I'm down here talking about Vietnam and you're up with a sex symbol.

K: I knew it would talk all your minds off of whatever you were doing.

S: That's right. All right I just wanted to--I'll make a deal with you.

K: You'll trade Mary McCarthy for Liv Ullman.

S: Ten to one on that is better.

K: That's really terribly generous.

S: Listen, that's the reason I called, but I also wondered if there was any more little human notes from the Brezhnev thing, that I might stick in my piece. Can I talk to you later.

K: Well, are you going to be on the plane?

S: No, I'm not going, I've got to stay here.

K: Well, you know the whole atmosphere is really one--you know when they met at Camp David they were carrying chairs around so they could sit closer to each other, took their coats off, a sort of informality that you don't usually get.

S: Um hum. How'd he do with the car, did he like it.

K: Oh yeah. The way it was handled was we were at a meeting and we had the car brought to outside the cabin where we met, and then the President interrupted the meeting and said I want to show you something and there was the car.

S: Well, I'll be darned. At the cabin, huh.

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K: At Laurel, in front of the cabin, whereupon we wanted to go back to the meeting but Brezhnev insisted on driving the car. And insisted that the President accompany him, and insisted on driving outside of Camp David.

S: I had a hunch of that. Those roads aren't good enough, you've got to get a little speed outside.

K: And the President told me if anybody had come around one of these turns, both of them would have been dead.

S: I see. Good. Everything else going all right.

K: No, now it's really done. The communique is mostly done. This agreement today can't be a major landmark if we implement it.

S: [ You mean the nuclear war.

K: The prevention of nuclear war.

S: Well, fine, okay Henry. I'm obvious

K: That's good for your soul.

S: Good luck with Mary McCarthy, you got yourself into it.

K: No, I like her.

S: She's all right, yeah. She's really quite gracious. I thought she'd be pretty tart, but she wasn't.

K: I respect her. Okay.

S: Thank you Henry.

K: Bye.

S: Bye.

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Amb. Cromer/Kissinger

9:50 a.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

C: Oh, Henry, Rollie Cromer. I've got the instructions that were sent to
______ and I've also got the report of what he said. And on the
particular point that you raised, the instructions read "Nothing in the
agreement appears to deter the United States from making eventual
military operations in Europe." That was his instruction. And then
the report of what he said is this - this is verbatim what he said.
"I said that I can well understand the fears of _________ and the
fears which had been mentioned about (decoupling (?) but the text of
the agreement did not seem to involve any renunciation of nuclear
weapons or of their first use. I say, and several others agree with
me, that we have every confidence in US with respect to allied interests."
And I should just tell you that in the press handling that I'm giving here
from the British Embassy we were saying that it deserves unimpaired
the U.S. ______ than NATO taking into account the Chinese. . .

K: Well, this is then obviously bad reporting by our

C: I think it is because I read it . . . . . and it sounded rather well.

K: Yeh.

C: And there were some people who were more critical but he tried to
squash it so I really don't think you have got any cause for unhappiness
on this.

K: Right, well our report is what I read to you.

C: Yeh, well sometimes reporting does go a bit haywire. But I think that
we stuck by the line that we all agreed to.

K: No, no that's fine. We don't need - there's no need to speak of prior
discussions.

C: No, no, but I thought you should know that we're playing along rather well.

K: Right. Rollie, I appreciate this and I assume you have no problem with
the communique.

C: Absolutely not. The only problem at all with the communique was the
suggestions that you had spoken more fully with some than with others
which might have been happier not said, but we'll live with it.

TELCONE (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

9:55 a.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry. Good morning.

K: How are you, Anatol.

D: How are you on the Pacific Coast?

K: I'm fine.

D: I'm glad to hear it. Well, could we come to you.

K: That's what I'm expecting.

D: Yeh, so in your office, yes?

K: Anatol, I was not involved in Watergate so it's still my office.

D: All right.

K: Are you waking over?

D: Yes, it's only 3 or 5 minutes, if you don't mind.

K: Well, I'm not used to being kept waiting - not by members who are more
recently members of the Politburo than I.

D: Well, we just 5 minutes before 10.

K: Did you understand the significance of that last remark?

D: I did. (Laugs) OK, Henry, we're coming.

TELCONE (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

9:55 a.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

K: How are you, Anatol.

K: I'm fine.

K: That's what I'm expecting.

D: All right.

K: Are you walking over?

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TELCORN

June 23, 1973

11:30 a. m.

Mr. Kissinger - Governor Connally

K: Hello:

C: Henry.

K: Mr. Secretary.

C: I assume after our conversation yesterday that there is not much
more to be discussed at noon, so I assume I won't come unless there
is something else that has developed.

K: No, unless you think . . . unless . . . I think we pretty well covered
the problem.

C: I think we did. And, so I won't plan to be down there unless something
else comes up.

K: O.K.

C: All right.

K: I appreciated our talk.

C: Ah, so did I.

K: I really did.

C: Thank you.

K: Bye.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

11:57 a.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol, do you think . . . this is a personal comment - suggestion. When the President and Brezhnev have an appointment to meet, do you think Victor could call here and say, just out of politeness, say that you know, Brezhnev can't make it or it's late or something. Give us some indication when he is ready.

D: But he is already ready. I was just told he is got up and now he is just reading some material by Alexandrov. He is rather waiting as I understood, a call from the President or from you.

K: We were waiting for a call from him.

D: So I could just come to him and just check with him so that I immediately give you a call, all right.

K: OK, then the President will come over. The second point is, which I know will please you all very much, the President wants me to come along to sit in on it.

D: This is

K: I know it will produce wild ecstasies, but I am very deeply moved by the confidence that I've inspired.

D: Yeh, I understand, but where will it be - on the second floor?

K: Yeh, we'll pick you up.

D: Over there, yeh.

K: At his residence, where you've been.

D: On the second floor, yeh. So you'll wait with the President but I'm going to give you a return call right away.

K: Good.

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Dobrynin/Kissinger

11:57 a.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol, do you think . . this is a personal comment - suggestion.
When the President and Brezhnev have an appointment to meet, do you
think Victor could call here and say, just out of politeness, say that
you know, Brezhnev can't make it or it's late or something. Give us
some indication when he is ready.

D: But he is already ready. I was just told he is got up and now he is just
reading some material by Alexandrov. He is rather waiting as I under-
stood, a call from the President or from you.

D: This is

K: Yeh, we'll pick you up.

D: Over there, yeh.

K: Good.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:05 p.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

D: Henry, that's all right, he is waiting right now. The only thing he would like to mention to the President is that he is going to be on TV, reporting you know, around one o'clock so maybe they will have 40 - 50 minutes to discuss and then make some interruption because he would like to have ten minutes before to look once again the text, but otherwise quite all right.

K: Right and then he'll be finished with the TV when - about 2:30?

D: It will be half an hour. So it will be around two he will be back.

K: OK. Fine. Good.

D: Thank you very much.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:05 p.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

K: OK. Fine. Good.

D: Thank you very much.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)

Mrs. Otis Chandler/Kissinger

12:47 p.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

£: Henry.

K: How are you, Missy?

C: Just fine thank you. Just put on my bathing suit and I'm going to go
and sit out in the sun.

K: Isn't that a good idea.

C: Well, I was wondering - is this areal hard working weekend for you?

K: Well, it is until these bastards have left.

C: I was wondering, aren't you a little tired of the Russians by now.

K: I tell you

C: Morning, noon and night.

K: Yeh.

C: Oh, goodness, do you have to sit and entertain them every evening?

K: Every evening and every waking minute. And inbetween I have to write
speeches, work on communiques and work myself into a nervous breakdown,
but why tell you my troubles.

C: Listen, that's why I was concerned. I was really concerned about you.
And here you get out to your favorite place and can't even sit out on the
beach.

K: But they're leaving tomorrow, thank God.

C: Are you going to stay?

K: Yeh.

C: You are. Good. Do you want to have dinner tomorrow night?

K: Probably. Can I call you in the morning when my sanity is somewhat
better.

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C: I don't know how you feel but I just thought

K: No, it would be nice.

C: It's my birthday tomorrow.

K: Oh, is it?

C: Yes, and I don't have a husband and I'm sort of lonely down here and if you and I just went out to dinner it would just be great to celebrate my birthday.

K: Let me call you in the morning.

C: OK, but Henry listen, I understand your schedule. You might just like to go to bed early but I would promise you we could just have an early dinner here or we could just go out. Lots of nice restaurants around here now, if you would like to.

C: OK, did you bring your children?

K: Yes, I did.

C: Oh, well we can take the children. I've got two about the same ages.

K: Maybe we should aim for that.

C: I think that'd be fun. Just tell them we're going to a birthday party.

K: Good, we'll take your two children and my two children.

C: All right. That's fine. Call me if it doesn't work out.

K: But it won't be before about 11 in the morning.

C: All right. Ok. Listen, I hope you can get some sort of rest in the next couple of weeks.

K: I'll call you in the morning. Let's really aim for that.

C: All right.

K: Good. Marvelous.

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President/Kissinger

1:50 p.m. - 6/23/73

K: Mr. President.

P: Now when these - I mean we really sat around enough and done this now. As soon as he finishes you're to tell them that they're expected here, you understand?

K: Absolutely.

P: And bring them over and I'm going to have a quick picture and then we're going to sit down and talk for an hour and that's it.

K: That's right.

P: And that's it now, you understand. We got to do it, now he won't be through until 2 o'clock as it presently appears. All right, he's to come over here immediately, we'll have a picture and then he'll come up and we'll have an hour's talk on just a couple of subjects and the hell with the rest of it.

K: I couldn't agree more.

P: They kept us waiting all day on this darn thing.

K: I couldn't agree more.

P: It's to be no uncertain terms. OK?

K: I could not agree more.

P: All right, thanks.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

1:53 p.m. - 6/23 /73

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol, two things. One, after Brezhnev is finished, he better go and
see the President.

D: Is he finished - not yet.

K: He's not yet finished.

D: He is on TV still.

K: You know the President is getting a little mad that he's been kept waiting
three hours. You know, I tell you that as a friend.

D: I understand, but what you mean just after . . .

K: What I'm suggesting is that after he's finished there shouldn't be another
one hour's conference.

D: There should be?

K: There should not. After he is finished, you should go and see the President
immediately.

D: But where - you mean

K: In the house.

D: In the White House or I mean in the Residence where he is staying - in
his private house?

K: In his private house.

D: All right, I will bring him here and the President will be here.

K: That's right, but you shouldn't all huddle together again and not emerge
for another hour.

D: I understand, they will just take him here and bring him over to the house.
All right, this is no problem, what else?

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K: The second thing is: I've got three things. The second things is...

D: To be at the same place within his house.

K: Right, your job is to get the two of them together. I'll be over there too, and

D: Yes, what other things.

K: The next thing is on the Middle East. We will give you an alternative language for the last sentence.

D: OK. Myself and my minister is in our small houses. We're living here so you can send somebody here.

K: We will send that over. OK. And thirdly, Semyatin this morning at the press briefing said that this agreement is the prohibition of the use of nuclear weapons.

D: No, he didn't say so. I am sure about it.

K: We have it in Russian.

D: I'm sure he didn't say this "prohibition of use." I checked in the text he has with him and there was no such thing mentioned. Unless he said something which was not approved, which I doubt very much knowing him.

K: Well, just let's make damn sure this isn't said because...

D: Why would we ask him to do the things he was not supposed to do in the first place. So if you really have this particular sentence, show me and then I'll ask him what was going on; otherwise why should I - I know the statement was approved.

K: OK, I'll send you the text.

D: OK.

K: Thank you.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

1:53 p.m. - 6/23/73

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

D: Is he finished - not yet.

K: He's not yet finished.

D: He is on TV still.

D: There should be?

D: But where - you mean

K: In the house.

K: In his private house.

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D: Yes, what other things.

K: We have it in Russian.

D: OK.

K: Thank you.

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Mr. Kissinger/The President

June 23, 1973

時間:10:00 p.m.

RN: Hi, Henry, are you at home?

HK: Yes, Mr. President--

RN: I just got into bed. We had about two hours, just a private dinner, just him and me and nothing substantive, but you know one of those glowing evenings.

HK: Well that's very important to--

RN: To him, it is very important, that's right.

HK: It is also important for our mutual relations

RN: Oh, we know that, yeh, but we got him to bed finally day

HK: Good, well this was a good/Mr. President, we've haven't had television coverage like this -- I've talked to the East to some of my friends there --everybody agrees and I'm interested that my hardlining friends think this is a great agreement.

RN: That's good. Well tomorrow I told him--apparently he is going to do his television in the morning is he?

HK: I don't know what time he is planning to do it.

RN: Hard to tell. Any event, I told him I wouldn't see him before 11:00 so see whether he is ready by that time or not. Irrelevant, I mean there isn't a hell of a lot to do tomorrow

HK: Well we should hear what he has to say on MBFR, Mr. President.

RN: Oh, yes, I've got that done, that's right.

HK: And on Vietnam.

RN: MBFR, Vietnam, China

concrete

HK: Right, China, we don't need anything very complete, but his views on MBFR

RN: And Vietnam--