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Secretary Kissinger
Roy Atherton

K: Hello.

A: Good morning, Mr. Secretary.

K: Roy, I need two things. One a letter to Sadat.

A: Yes, I am working on that.

K: From the President and then I would like a follow-up letter from me. Just a brief one, more personal which states that if it doesn't work now my own position will be impossible.

A: Right.

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K: And I want them to know I would then put all future negotiations into normal diplomatic channels.

A: Okay. All right, sir.

K: But in the formal letter of the President, we better make absolutely sure that there is no linkage to Syria.

A: Yes, I am going to make that very explicit, because this is becoming disturbing. I don't know whether you say last night the report from our man in Abudabi who was briefed by the Egyptian Ambassador.

K: Yes. Exactly.

A: But I find this . . .

K: Well I have to testify so I won't be over before 12:30 but I will need it by then.

A: Well I will have it, sir. Have you seen Aiken's suggestion this morning?

K: Yes. That's all right together with your change.

A: All right, fine.

K: Thank you.

A: Thank you, sir.

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Larry Eagleburger / Secy Kissinger

9:45 a.m., January 2, 1974

K: Larry, I wonder whether you should talk to Rush about Sisco.

E: I think that should be done, yes.

K: Would you do it?

E: Yeah.

K: And tell him also that I've all but cleared Porter for Canada.

E: Okay.

K: Now, what did you mean that Jerry Jones wants to make the announcement at the White House. You had no authority to discuss that with him. I've already settled that with Ziegler.

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E: Well, there was a misinterpretation.

K: Jerry Jones is not giving me orders!

E: I know. There is a misinterpretation in my message. My message to you was I thought probably you would want it from the White House but I --

K: Yeah, I've already taken care of that.

E: Okay. That's all I wanted to know. Jerry Jones has not said anything about it.

K: Now, Catto is okay then.

E: As far as Jerry is concerned -- Jerry has checked his system, everything is fine. Jerry's suggestion is that the President might want to meet with both Catto and his wife. That's the only comment he had.

K: Well, since the President has not indicated their desire, do you think we can let it go?

E: Yeah.

K: Since we've met every demand of the President now.

E: I'm Yes, sir. Simply a transmission belt.

K: Okay.

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Larry Eagleburger/Secy Kissinger

E: Did you know that when Moshe Dayan saw Mr. Clements the last time he gave him a copy of a certain map? I learned that this morning. when I was in the Defense Department.

K: Of what map?

E: The disengagement map that he also gave you.'

K: You mean that one kilometer map?

E: Yeah. Not only did they discuss it but he gave him the map.

K: Yeah, but if that's considered progress, what good is it? Well, what was the point of the conversation?

E: No, the only point I'm making --

K: No, I mean why did Schlesinger raise it?

E:: Schlesinger did not raise it with me. Bob Hill, whom I saw afterwards, said that Clements -- Well, he went through a long story, which I think you know about Clements really kicking over the traces after he heard from Dayan. It was just at that point that he said that he gave him a map and I pleaded ignorant to the whole thing but it was very clear it was the same map he gave you. And all I'm saying is Dayan apparently just bled his guts to Clements.

K: Well, then he's a bigger fool than I assumed.

E: I don't know where else Hill could have gotten all this.

K: Well, do you want to discuss that -- Well, I gave Schlesinger the story. He could have gotten it from Schlesinger.

E: Okay. Fine.

K: Would you tell that to Dinitz?

E: Yes, I will. I will.

K: Did Schlesinger offer you the ISA job?

E: Yeah. I said no. So then we spent the rest of the time talking about how it might be reorganized and made into an effective operation.

K: Well, I think it's an outrage for him though to approach -- You know, I had already talked to you.

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E: Yeah, I know. But when he called, I didn't --

K: No, you had to go but I think it is an outrage that he invites staff members of mine to a meeting and offers them a job.

E: I think from what I gathered he's unhappy as hell about this Cooper business.

K: But Cooper is another staff member of mine!!!

E: I know, I know.

K: I mean, we're living in a nuthouse!

E: I know that too. (laughter) Oh, boy. But I must say, he did not push hard. He said would you consider it? I said no, I would not; I think that message has already been transmitted. He said, fine, then let's talk about how the place might be reorganized. So he didn't push me hard at all.

K: Yeah.

E: Better get back here before everybody steals everything.

K: Before what?

E: I'm just kidding.

K: Listen, this is not our biggest problem. Okay, fine.

E: Okay, I'll take care of the Rush thing right away.

K: And call me to tell me what his comments are.

E: I will, sir.

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Hal Sonnenfeldt/Secy Kissinger

9:50 a.m., January 2, 1974

K: Hal, how are you?

S: I'm fine. I just wanted to wish you a happy new year and tell you that I was back.

K: Oh, good.

S: At your disposal whenever you want me.

K: Good. We'll, we've got to swear you in next week.

S: Yeah. Well, that would be very nice. I look forward to that. They're hammering together some office which is some place on some floor up there if it's all right with you.

K: That's all right with me. In fact, I don't get into these things.

S: No, no, I think it will be fine.

K: Okay. Now, Hal, have you seen the letter that Heath wrote to the President.

S: No.

K: Well, would you draft a reply to it?

S: Yes. Does Brent have it here?

K: He must have it. Will you draft a reply and don't let him off too easily. He explains again how everything went beautifully and how

S: regrettable it is that they couldn't get anything about energy into the statement of the Nine. And I think we should just tell him we are getting sort of tired of being told it's regrettable, that things don't happen that are within their power to do. You know, I wouldn't put it that way.

S: Yeah.

K: Then Jobert wrote a long letter on the energy thing.

S: I saw that. I'm trying to make sense of it.

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K: Well, I think we can go ahead and make a proposal.

S: Well, have you got this package out there?

K: Yeah.

S: Of messages to heads of governments.

K: Yeah, I rather like it.

S: Yeah. I've only heard about it. I haven't had a chance to look at it. That seems to me is the thing for us to do -- is to just follow up on the thing. Otherwise, it will just languish.

K: Right. Well, I agree with that but I had some concern about the letter. It shouldn't be geared to the price rises, it should be put on its own merit.

S: Yeah. I think if it's geared to that and the boycott, it will scare people off.

K: No, I think it should be done on its own merit and the price rises should be used only as an example of the problem we face. So could you work with Donaldson to get that letter redrafted?

S: I will.

K: Good.

S: I've been catching up with the SALT stuff and I think the stuff we sent you to Geneva was something of a breakthrough and I take it that --

K: That what?

S: The SALT stuff we sent you to Geneva I think was something of a breakthrough and I think we can build on that now.

K: Right.

S: There's a Verification Panel meeting for next week I guess.

K: Right.

S: Okay.

K: Good, thank you.

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10:50 a.m., January 2, 1974

E: Sir, I've talked to George Bush. He is highly enthusiastic about Catto. Thinks he would do a first-class job. Okay.

K: Okay.

E: Said he pushed him earlier. Thinks he's ...

K: Well, so I will tell the President and we'll proceed.

E: All right.

K: So all we need then is Japan, right?

E: Yeah. I've talked to Peter Flanigan and he's going to get back ...

K: Well, the President doesn't want Walter Haas. He thinks he's too old.

E: I understand also that Haas is unpopular with Reagan.

K: Is not popular with whom?

E: Reagan. He's the guy from California.

K: Yeah. And he's Jewish.

E: (laughs) All right. We can send him to Jordan.

K: I'll tell you these guys are really infiltrating.

E: (laughs)

K: That means I need somebody for Jordan.

E: about
Yes, sir, it does. Did you get to talk / Bob Blake for Cambodia?

K: I told it to Haig. I thought it would be better if Haig floated that one.
We can't send Blake to Jordan, can we?

E: No, I don't think so. Too tall.

K: That's true. What do we do with Dean? Can he do PM?

E:

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K: What do you think about Pickering for the Inspector General?

E: The IGA job.

K: Yeah.

E: I think it's a waster of a lot of talent. I think he's Director General ...

K: No, no, that's what I meant -- Director General.

E: Director General by all means. I've just dictated a note to you, for when you get back, in which I say I think Pickering would give all the right signals to the Foreign Service.

K: Some of these guys have been complaining to Charles Bartlett.

E: I've also written you a note on that. Henry, these guys -- Don't let that bother you.

K: No, no. I know one of them who has complained is Funkhouser because he mentioned that to me.

E: Well, Funkhouser has gotten nothing out of this as far as I'm concerned.

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K: And I suspect Unger has complained too. Because he said others in that category.

E: But the answer is the Assistant Secretaries. If they can't make the morale better in their bureaus, it's their concern.

K: Well, but that's why I would like to get these new Assistant Secretaries in.

E: They will all be back by the middle of January. All of them.

K: And all sworn in?

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E: No, they can't all be sworn in until Congress -- until the Senate approves them. All of those that have been confirmed, yes. They will all be sworn in. Buffum and Easum will have to have interim appointments.

K: You know that Sisco has decided to stay.

E: No.

K: Yeah. Well, you still think that's the right thing.

E: Yes, sir. I said I thought you ought to take another crack at Sisco.

K: Well, he's agreed.

E: Okay.

K: So I've now got to find something for Porter. Maybe Ambassador to Canada.

E: That's not a bad idea. Say, do you want me to go ahead and start putting papers together on Bill Hyland for I&R?

K: Yes.

E: It's not a Presidential appointment.

K: Yes. And then I want to move Pickering -- I want to get this thing. And I want to get Nat Davis appointed next week too.

E: I assume I know the way . . . . . .

K: Don't you think?

E: I'd go on that; I'd go on Springsteen, Pickering and --

K: Yeah, but they're all interconnected.

E: Yeah, I know they are. And then Sisco will do the other. I think that's good. Powers of persuasion have always been known to be great.

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Secretary Kissinger - Guido Goldman

January 2, 1973

11:00 a.m.

K: Hello.

G: Hi, Henry. Happy new year.

K: Happy New Year to you, Guido.

G: Thank you. I'm calling mainly about the Glucksnick question just to see what your preference is. Do you still feel that it would be valuable if they were to meet and ask you to join them for a meeting in Washington?

K: Well, let me wait until I have seen Dayan. I've gotten a lot of static about Klucksnick and I just want to make sure I'm not making my life harder.

G: I see. You know, he's pro-Israeli but independent. You know he only wants to be constructive.

K: Oh, I know that. He's a fine man. I liked him very much when I met him.

G: The group is very high level and the others are willing to fly back from a holiday---so they take it very seriously. And I think the main point that I want to say is that if you think it is inopportune for you to set a date in the near future, I think perhaps you would want to keep this as an option for later on.

K: No, I will do it within the next two weeks almost for certain.

G: I see. The thing is, do you think there would be any value in --if you don't want to set a firm date soon---to call Klucksnick or would you want to call him---

K: I'll call him early next week.

G: OK, I think he would appreciate it--not just for himself--but to be sure that he is helpful to you.

K: I understand that.

G: He's aware of all the politics.

K: I've never seen the list that he wanted to put together.

Gus

G: I can give it to you. It's Fred Levy, Fred Lazareth, Raymond Nasher, Walter Hass, Ed Gabromski, Marver Berstein, Alex Shindler, Gershin Cohen, and probably Henry Lasoshski.

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K: Well, now that I've met with the Fischer group, I don't see any reason not to meet with other Jewish groups.

G: Right, that would be my feeling but I don't---I want to be sure that this is helpful to you.

K: No, I will do it in the next two weeks.

G: Very good. Until the beginning of next week, he will be in Europe. So if there were communication, it would have to be done before the weekend or after next week. I don't want to pressure you in any way but I just sort of read him as being unclear---that he may be doing something that may be awkward for you and he must let his people know. He thought if he could communicate with him this week that it might be helpful.

K: No, I'll call him before Friday night.

G: I'll be down in Washington on Friday and a little bit on Saturday if you would like to see me.

K: Why don't you leave you number at my office where I can reach you. I'm now on the West Coast but I'm planning to be back tomorrow night. I may have a dinner with Nancy and a few other on Friday night. Why don't you keep that open. That would be ok.

G: That would be lovely. I certainly will do that. Good, Henry. And I hope the year is a very, very good one for you.

K: I hope the same for you.

G: It certainly is a difficult one. Anything that I can do to help at any stage I would be happy to do.

K: Well, I appreciate that. The Israeli election is not helping any.

G: No, I realize that. I mean, you are really remarkable. So many things to confront at one time. But, I'm hoping for you.

K: Thank you.

G: Hoping to see you Friday.

K: OK, bye.

G: Bye.

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HAK/Eagleburger

2 Jan 1974

11:02 a.m.

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K: I hope to God not, I'll be broke. [Laughter] You'll have massive
charges of corruption. Okay. What time is the funeral?

E: It's at 10:30.

K: Well, then we better, what do we do with the Israelis? Maybe we should start at lunch and do it in the afternoon.

E: Okay.

K: How many are they bringing?

E: I don't know.

K: Will you find out?

E: Yup.

K: But I think I owe it to the foreign Service to go to that funeral.

E: I didn't know that you had known him personally. I think it makes good sense. Okay. I'll take care of that and I'll let you know how many are coming.

K: Good.

E: Okay. Bye

K: Bye

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Mr. Phillip Klutsnick/Secy Kissinger

12:10 p.m., January 2, 1973

PK: Hello, Mr. Secretary. Happy New Year.

HK: Happy New Year to you.

PK: Thank you.

HK: Mr. Klutsnick, I'm sorry we've had so much trouble getting together because I've been away.

PK: I know and you're doing more important things.

HK: No, but I would like to get together with that group you suggested.

PK: I understand some of the things that have happened and I think they are for the better. So, when would you like to do it?

HK: Why are they for the better?

PK: Well, I think the meeting you had was an essential meeting. I'm glad you had it.

HK: Oh, you mean with the Leadership Group?

PK: Yes, I'm happy you had it. If I had known that you were willing to take that kind of meeting, I would have urged you to do it long ago.

HK: Yeah, it makes it easier than to meet with other Jewish leaders.

PK: Of course. But on top of that, they all feel very sensitive and you know there's no way you can keep a complete secret in this world. Except in your office. So what date would you suggest?

HK: How about some time the week after this. Say the week of the 14th.

PK: The week of the 14th. Could it be just as well the following? I'm thinking of a couple of fellows that are out of the country.

HK: Sure.

PK: If it could be just as well the following, it would be better.

HK: Okay, let's do it the following.

PK: Which day would you prefer?

HK: What are the dates?

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PK: From the week of the 21st.

HK: Well, let's say the 22nd.

PK: The 22nd.

HK: Yeah.

PK: The 22nd is all right.

HK: All right.

PK: And what time would you like it? The same arrangement or would you rather have it in your office? In light of --

HK: In light of the fact that I saw the others in my office.

PK: Yes.

HK: Why don't we do it in my office?

PK: At what time?

HK: Let's say at 5 o'clock. Or six, whichever is easier for your schedule.

PK: It doesn't make a wit of difference, 5 or 6, whichever is best for you.

HK: Let's say at 5

PK: At 5:00 and I will immediately contact them and confirm it with Mr. Campbell.

HK: That's right. 22nd at 5:00.

PK: 22nd at 5:00.

HK: Good, look forward to that.

PK: Likewise and thank you very much.

HK: And thank you.

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Secretary Rush/Secy Kissinger

12:15 p.m., January 2, 1974

R: I just had a talk with Bill Porter and he has taken this very well. Whether he wants to go to Canada, he wants to talk over with Eleanor, his wife, tonight.

K: I think that's a good post.

R: I think it would be a wonderful post for him. And I certainly would like to see Bill get a good post. He deserves it. He seemed attracted to it, Henry, which is a bit contrary to what he had told me sometime earlier.

K: Yeah.

R: And I think he's going to take it.

K: Good.

R: Now, it would be a good thing -- If he does take it, he would very much like to have that announced at the same time that Joe's appointment is announced on Monday.

K: Well, can we get it cleared that fast?

R: I would hope so. Can you clear it with the President?

K: Well, I have it cleared with the President but don't we need an agreement?

R: We need the agreement. We need for security clearance.

K: Well, the hell with the security clearance.

R: Forget that. And we have to call Smith. Let me see what I can do about it.

K: I'd be strongly in favor of it.

R: I would too. Let me see what I can do.

K: Good. And also I think I'm going to make Nat Davis Congressional.

R: Okay.

K: And probably Pickering then into Davis' job.

R: That would be all right.

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Norm Kempster, Wash-Star News
Secretary Kissinger
12:25 p.m., January 2, 1974

NK: Hello, this is Norm Kempster of the Washington-Star News.

HK: Yeah.

NK: I was wondering if there would be a chance to see Dr. Kissinger today.

HK: I am Mr. Kissinger.

NK: Oh, yes, indeed you are, sir.

HK: I'm holding a press conference tomorrow.

NK: Okay, I hadn't heard about that. That's fine.

HK: I think that will give you --

NK: Oh, sure, that will be more than adequate. I didn't realize that.
What time, sir?

HK: At 10 or 11, I don't know.

NK: Okay, fine. Thank you very much. I'll see you tomorrow then.

HK: Good. Thank you.

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SECRETARY KISSINGER - PETER FLANIGAN

January 2, 1973

2:45 p.m.

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K: Hello.

F: Hello, Henry.

K: How are you? Pete, I was talking with the President. You are looking for people for Japan for me.

F: That's correct. A

K: And you mentioned the former head of Sears? Who are you talking about?

F: The former head is a fellow by the name of Gordon Metcalf. A very able guy. We thought that William--and his nickname is Mill Batten, who the President knows, is better.

K: OK.

F: He is a former head of JC Penney. You want to hear the rest of the list?

K: And can you get it over to Eagleburger so that he can LDX it out here?

F: Sure, it has already gone to Eagleburger. Now, Howard Clark, of Amer. Express---he's supposed to retire in a few years. Several of these men might be on the edge of retirement so they might be available.

K: Good.

F: Well, I'll read them to you quickly. In order of ability and the fact that they are close to retirement. Mill Batten, of JC Penney. A fellow by the name of Bob Ullman of National Cash Register, Gordon Metcalf of Sears, a wonderful fellow, Jim Binger of Honeywell, he's only 57. I doubt that he would be available. Bill Hewitt of Dear & Co. and Howard Clark. But the first three would be my recommendations.

K: OK. Good.

F: Good, Henry.

K: Now, Firestone won't take Canada. And I would like to give it to Bill Porter who is moving.

F: That's fine.

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K: And the President asked me just to call me to ask if you have a deserving non-contributing supporter but I hope you will say no.

F: I don't. Let me ask you a question, though. Bill Porter is a very able diplomat and certainly knows his business. I have felt that we have missed the boat in Canada because we had that fellow you had been with the bank, whose name I forget and then we had Adolph Schmit, and this is a young, energetic nation. And it's a young, energetic government--Tru... is young, John Turner is young--relatively young, and their sort of feisty in some ways. Certainly Turner is. Bill Porter, while he can be feisty, seems to me less sort of tough. Maybe I'm reading him wrong. I don't know him all that well. We really need to get close to those people and we certainly haven't with out last two appointments.

K: Well, whom do we have to be realistic. Porter is tough, all right. He is not the most sociable guy in the world. But he is tough.

F: But is he a bit prissy?

K: Prissy? No, I feel it biggest drawback is that he tends to get abrasive.

F: That doesn't bother me a bit up there.

K: No, prissy isn't his problem.

F: Well, then I can't think of an alternative.

K: OK, because it would help me if when I'm moving him it doesn't look as if I'm throwing him in the ash can.

F: Sure. No, I think he is an improvement on what we've got up there. I hope you are not thinking of Schmit for the OECD and I don't see why we owe Adolph Schmit anything.

K: Well the White House is pushing like crazy for him and I ran it past the President on that basis and he is willing to do it, but I don't have any interest in Adolph Schmidt.

F: The White House is pushing like crazy for him? I wonder who that can be. I've been talking with Jerry Jones and he denied it. He said you were.

K: Look, I'd be delighted to put a hold on Schmidt. Who do you want?

F: I'll find you some good people. I don't think he is good enough.

K: Look, I have no interest in Schmidt.

F: OK, I'll go to Jones and come back to you with 3 or 4 good people.

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Secretary Kissinger - Mr. Sisco

January 2, 1973

2:58 p.m.

K: Hello.

S: Hello.

K: Joe, what I think I should do is a brief reply to Fahmy.

S: That's what we're doing for you--a brief one.

K: I think he need it more than Sakaff.

S: Yeah, but not too much because if you begin to engage him substantially then it begins to carry it out---but it would be soothing, don't you think?

K: Well, we can do something that was similar to the Sakaff letter.

S: Right.

K: That explains my reasoning. But not too long.

S: Right. Along those lines. OK.

K: Now, secondly, I think we should keep it open the possibility of Sakaff coming over here. It is pure domestic politics--so that we can give the President some credit.

S: We just tell Aiken to temporize on the thing.

K: Good.

S: All right. Thank you very much.

K: Good Joe. Bye.

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Jerry Warren/Secy Kissinger

3:20 p.m., January 2, 1973

W: I'm sorry to bother you but I wondered if you wanted to do this
for film tomorrow morning, the TV cameras?

K: It's up to you. But I thought we'd do it very informally. No opening
statement.

W: Right.

K: Don't you think?

W: I think that would be fine. Unless you have some point you want to
make. I don't know what you and Ron have talked about but if you
have a point you want to make in an opening statement, that would be
fine. But as far as film is concerned --

K: Do you think I should make an opening statement?

W: I don't think it's necessary, Henry.

K: We'll just do it informally.

W: Right. When we do it informally, maybe we should just do it for
sound radio and no cameras.

K: Why don't you let -- They might want cameras.

W: I think they will want cameras.

K: Well, why don't you do it?

W: Okay. It's entirely up to you as far as we are concerned.

K: Let's do it.

W: All right, well do it with cameras.

K: Good.

TELCONE

January 2, 1973

K: I want to attend the Bohlen funeral.

E: All right, sir.

K: What time is it?

E: I'll have to find out sir. It's in the morning, I don't think they've got a firm time yet. I'll call that back to you as soon as I get it.

K: I think we should put out a statement today.

E: I've got a letter which I just cleared and they're now typing up in a telegram from you to Mrs. Bohlen, which I don't have in front of me but which says how terribly sorry you are that this great --

K: And also a good friend.

E: Good friend and great Foreign Service Officer and so forth.

K: Yeah, but I think we should issue an statement from the State Department and soon.

E: In addition to the letter?

K: Would we publish the letter?

E: Yeah, we would publish the letter. I think that's better.

K: No, that's fine.

E: Okay, we'll publish. I'm getting that off right away and get George to release it. Here it is right here. Let me read it to you: The death of your husband has filled all of his friends and associates in the Department of State and Foreign Service with a deep sense of loss. I share this sorrow knowing as I do how much he contributed to the Foreign Service and how much -- I share this sorrow knowing as I do how much the Foreign Service meant to him and how much he contributed to his country. He was a good friend. Chip Bohlen will be remembered not only as an outstanding --

K: What did I say -- And in addition I have a deep sense of personal loss because I considered him a good friend.

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E: Chip Bohlen will be remembered not only as an outstanding expert on the Soviet Union as a respected counselor to the Presidents but as a distinguished Ambassador.

K: To Presidents and Secretaries of State.

E: Okay. But above all, as a warm human being whose charm and integrity won him the affection and loyalty of all those who knew him.

K: Put integrity first.

E: Okay. He both represented and helped to create the best traditions of the Foreign Service. Your husband's memory will be with us always and serve as an inspiration and example to those who follow him in the American Diplomatic Service. You and your children have my deepest sympathy. Sincerely, Henry A. Kissinger.

K: And warmest good wishes.

E: Okay, we'll get that released right away. And I'll get back to Jerry with the time for the funeral.

K: Okay. Now, on the personnel things, I do not want you to check with Volpe. Why should you check with Volpe if he isn't Volpe's candidate?

E: I meant if he had any candidates.

K: I don't want him to give us candidates.

E: All right.

K: Now, also the President will take Catto if Bush doesn't veto him.

E: Do you want me to pursue that?

K: Yeah.

E: Anything else?

K: No, that's all.

By: OT NARA Date: 4/8/64

DECLASSIFIED

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TELCORN
Gen Scowcroft/Secy Kissinger

January 2, 1973

K: Brent, did we let the State Department know about that Dayan message?

S: Yeah.

K: And what did they say?

S: Oh, excuse me, I thought you meant the announcement.

K: The announcement, that's what I mean. So that they can cover it at
their briefing. But I hope that we gave them different questions and
answers.

S: Well, we gave them our questions and answers just for background.

K: The fact that I disapprove most of them, would that bother anybody?

S: I hadn't heard that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

K: Would you kindly reclaim them and get them made consistent?

S: Yes, I sure will. I will do it immediately.

K: I mean, they were not violently different but I gave it a slightly different
focus.

S: I'll get on it immediately.

K: Thank you.

S: Right.

*

TELCORN

Afternoon, January 2, 1974

K: Larry, can you hold up on the Schmidt appointment?

E: Yeah, I haven't sent it over yet anyway.

K: Okay. And almost certainly we'll make Porter Ambassador to Canada.

E: Fine. Do you want us to go ahead with Safer (sp?).

K: Now, he wants you to run one more check by Jerry Jones on Catto.

E: All right.

K: Can you do that tomorrow morning?

E: Sure. Just to find out whether he has any problems, is that it?

K: Yeah.

E: Okay. I'm sure he doesn't but I'll double-check it.

*

TELCONE

Joe Sisco/Secy Kissinger

Afternoon, January 2, 1974

K: Joe, I think I should do a brief reply to Fahmi.

S: Yes, that's what we're doing for you -- a brief one.

K: I think he needs it more than Saqqaf.

S: Well, but not too much because if you begin to engage him substantively, then it kind of carries it out. But one that's soothing, don't you think?

K: Well, what you can do is something similar to the Saqqaf letter.

S: Right.

S: Along those lines.

K: Yeah. But not too long and not too apologetic.

S: All right. (laughter) Okay.

K: Now, secondly, I think we should keep open the possibility of Saqqaf coming over here. It's pure domestic politics. So that we can give the President some credit.

S: Why don't we just tell Akin to temporarize on the thing.

K: Good.

S: All right. Okay. Thank you very much.

K: Good, Joe.

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Telcon
General Scowcroft
Ambassador Dobrynin
1/3/74; 9:50 a.m.

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S: I was going to say, it would be useful if it would be possible before you go.

D: For the time being I don't know today it probably means I won't go before the day after tomorrow. So we will have time. I will be in touch.

S: Good. As I say he will be back in the office tomorrow morning.

D: Okay. Tomorrow I will definitely be here and he will be in town.

S: Good. Great.

D: Okay.

S: Thanks a lot.

D: What is happening in Israel. Everything is more or less all right?

S: I, I, ...

D: What is the appraisal? Probably weakened but...

S: That's the impression I have, that -- probably manageable. It won't make it any easier -- I don't think. I think it could have been a lot worse.

D: Sometimes there is a joke -- it's all right because it could be worse.

S: That's right. That's not the best way to look at it, but I think in this case it is probably accurate.

D: I asked Henry, but maybe he forget about it really, when he will be back remind me, Gromyko asked me if he put on his Because just before he left -- the question was Gromyko if wondered if you downgraded your representation as all European Conference -- how it is called.

S: Oh, ho, oh, yes. The European Security Conference.

D: And especially GROMYKO was surprised because they had a good talk on this subject in Geneva. But after this talk you downgraded so he asked what does it mean because it goes in a different direction of what they discussed. It was not that kind of intention because...

DECLASSIFIED
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By: N.W.iga

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Joe Sisco/Secy Kissinger

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K: I think that's the only way to do it.

S: Yeah.

K: Now, I like the approach of Akins to Faisal about the oil question and he ought to do that.

S: I see. The --

K: The bilateral deal.

S: The bilateral deal. Well, I've taken it up here this morning. I like it too. But what I've asked -- Apparently there are a lot of complications to this one.

K: Listen, anything that is touched by GB has complications.

S: (laughter) Well, that's with whom I spoke this morning.

K: One complication is that we're doing something. Now, what's the complication?

S: The question is; One, I think you've got to have the lawyers look at this to see whether it's possible to make this kind of bilateral agreement. But, secondly, can we really produce as a government to government on this kind of situation?

K: At this point, I'm not assuming.

S: Yeah.

K: If we don't, then we're going to turn it all over to the French, British and Japs.

S: Well, in any event, I've got a couple of people looking at it. As soon as I can --

K: Also talk to Donaldson. But I would like to authorize Akins by early next week to do this.

S: All right. I've asked that all the pros and cons be done for you on this --

K: Yeah, but as long as they all know that I'm going to be for it.

S: Yeah. All right.

K: It would take some overwhelming reasons to get me against it.

*

TELCORN

Joe Sisco/Secy Kissinger

11:02 a.m., January 3, 1973

S: Mr. Secretary, we have gotten --

K: All I want you to know is I do appreciate the honor that you get on the
phone first to me now.

S: That's what I tried to do this time.

K: I just don't want you to think I don't appreciate it.

S: I figured you would. I'll try to do better in the future. We've had another
letter from Fahmi and this one is a complaint that the Israelis are not
permitting the convoys to pass to the East side of the Canal. Now, I
don't know whether this is the fact to the matter or not.

K: Well, why don't we take it up with Dayan tomorrow?

S: All right, we can. In the meantime if there's anything I can find out
by way of facts from someone such as [Irvkot - sp?] for example, will
know what the story is. And then we can answer the Egyptians after
we've talked to Dayan.

K: Joe, I have edited that message to Akins to make a little stronger.
I don't know whether you've got it already.

S: No, I haven't as yet. This is the one on the Saqqat thing -- I've got it
in front of me as I sent it to you.

K: Yeah. Well, I want to add a sentence at the end saying that unless --
you know, I'm surrounded by maniacs here -- I don't know what they
do with cables that I -- But the point is that at the end I think we should
say to him explicitly -- there's no sense in his coming if his being here
if not followed fairly soon by the lifting of the embargo.

S: Sure, sure.

K: So that he should plan his visit to precede the lifting of the embargo
by a week or two.

S: And connected with it.

K: That's right.

S: Well, I'll have a look at the change. Anything that says, that's precisely
the way we feel on this end on that one.

*

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Joe Sisco/Secy Kissinger

S: I've been for this idea for 2 years but I haven't been able to convince anybody.

K: Well, I'm convinced. And tomorrow evening a cable is going out.

S: Well, give it another day but I'll talk --

K: Tomorrow evening!

S: Yeah, okay. I'll talk to as many people as I can.

K: Well, talk to Donaldson. But by tomorrow evening I want it done.

S: Okay. Well, I'll pass this along to him.

K: Good.

S: Thank you.

TELCONE

Mr. Donaldson/Secy Kissinger

11:32 a.m., January 3, 1974

K: Bill, two things. One, Akins has sent in a cable about a possible bilateral approach to the Saudis. Have you seen it?

D: I've seen it, yeah.

K: Well, I'm in favor of at least opening the discussion. So will you work with Sisco on how to do it?

D: Yeah. You want to prepare a contingency thing or do you want him actually --

K: I want him to begin talking to Faisal. Nothing can come of it anyway very quickly. But I don't want us to be the only country that is not talking to him bilaterally.

D: Okay. We'll start to work on that. You want the pros and cons on that?

K: I want the pros and cons but I'll tell you right now which way I'm going to go unless the cons are overwhelming.

D: Okay.

K: We can't be the only ones insisting on multi-lateralism when no one else does it. We can always go to a multilateral solution. Opening the discussion isn't going to get us anywhere very quickly.

D: Okay. Sisco just mentioned that to me and I will try and put something together. that's positive but also, you know, includes everybody's negatives.

K: Yeah, what are the negatives?

D: Well, I guess maybe it could upset the embargo lifting thing.

K: Why?

D: Well, if he thinks we're being squeezed so much that we've got to make a unilateral deal with them, maybe he thinks he ought to keep it on a little longer ...

K: Nonsense. That I don't believe.

D: Okay.

K: I think the embargo lifting has next to nothing to do with this; that depends entirely on the Israeli talks.