DECLASSIFIED

Authority EOL/2558

By: CNRA Date: 04/06/70

TELCON

Dobrynin/Kissinger

1:00 pm 4/6/70

K: I'm back in great fighting spirit.

D: That's why you didn't come with a lady to the WH.

K: Her husband was there. You mean Mrs. Ford?

D: I thought she was alone.

K: I don't want to be assassinated in the WH. I'm working on the problem.

D: Could I drop in tomorrow?

K: You have something for me?

D: Just a little bit.

K: I was going to suggest dinner before you leave.

D: In two days I have something more. It's my turn for the dinner. I'm meeting today with Jackques. He is leaving Wed. or Thurs. In two days he will ____.

K: I am delighted to see you tomorrow. I think you and I should have a meeting to review a few things.

D: Definitely before I go.

K: My active life -- you have to give me a little warning. ? ? ? ? It's easy to get along with me. Just cut off aid to NVN.

D: That's all?

K: I have something else but that's the major one for this week.

D: That's the trouble. You never have only one thing.

K: You want to come in tomorrow.

D: Yes, 10 mins. on that other talk.

K: Yes, before you go back and I have some reflections I want to discuss with you. Hold on a minute. We could do it at 3:00 tomorrow in the usual place. Or in the morning if it's more urgent.

D: 3:00 in the usual place. You did not mention to Jean our talk?

Dobrynin/Kissinger

1:00 pm

4/6/70

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K: I noticed you mentioned one of the items to him.

D: He and the Secy. pressed me. I didn't say anything.

K: That's a separate idea. They don't know anything or how far it had gone. They can't do anything without us. If that is to be done, it must be at our level.

D: Then I will keep it at that level.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority F012507
By CNAR Date 04/01

Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

Telecon
Gerard Smith
4/7/70 8:45a.m.

By KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

S: I have urged that we have investigations in the past of certain leaks. But it seems to me that the New York Times one is one for investigation. I believe it is inaccurate, but it's a bold case of breaking the law.

K: Where do you think . . . there's no sense in speculating I guess.

S: Well, there are the usual candidates plus the members of this committee. I think there's no reason not to get Mitchell's people to go in and see what they can find. I'm almost certain it's none of our people.

K: Well, you've played this game very correctly.

S: I just don't talk to newspapermen.

K: It's probably a member of that committee.

S: There are only 6 people here who had access to it and I have confidence in all of them.

K: Some of the committee people don't have the restraints that government people have.

S: That's true. Say, I wonder if there could be written into the instructions something about "You are authorized to explore in plenary sessions and in private sessions with the chief of the delegation of the USSR . . ."

K: Do you think private sessions look more promising?

S: I think we can do more in private sessions than with 12 people lined up in front of each other.

K: All right. That's easy to write in.

*

TELCONE
Sisco/Kissinger
9:20 am 4/7/70

By KHC NARA, Dato 5/13/04

S: I want you to have a look at a telegram which I have called to Hal's attention. It's a brief summary of my meeting with Dobrynin yesterday. It's thin ~~drool~~ gruel they are putting out.

K: I saw last weeks.

S: Also something in the ______.

K: I saw that too.

S: They are fiddling around and giving us nothing.

K: I can give that to the President. Conditions of peace are nothing?

S: If they don't produce in writing, I told them, you go ahead and produce what you can accept. They said they want to take a closer look. They are trying to look good but they are waiting for Cairo.

K: How about the cease-fire?

S: I'm looking closer on that. The Israelis feel that the purpose is to give Israel the chance to ease up so that the Russians can get the SAM sites in.

K: That's the President's view too.

S: I'm going to tell the Secy.

K: The President's interpretation is a low level Cuban maneuver.

S: Our answer will be through Beam that we a publicly declared cease-fire so that the 4 powers can agree. I'm off tomorrow night to visit that area prior to the Chiefs of Mission conference. Dobrynin is leaving for two weeks. We will get together when we both return. Tell the President I will stick to rigidly to the policy.

K: He asked me last night what I thought you would do and I said you would listen.

S: The memo is coming in two hours.

K: I will run it right into him.

S: I'm going to reassure the Israelis.

K: You might tell them that with new arms requests if they do them a little at a time. That thing you and I discussed. S: And Very quietly.

By KHC NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Telecon
Gerard Smith

4/7/70 9:35 a.m.

K: I hope you weren't too badly bruised yesterday.

S: No, I thought it was one of our better meetings.

K: I think we took care of some of your most troublesome problems. And others we will take care of with the President.

S: We have to make sure we are clear on Defense's position.

K: Laird won't be at the meeting tomorrow; it will be Packard.

S: Chet Hollofield wants me to appear Friday of this week. I urged him instead to accept Farley and perhaps you some time next week.

K: I'll be glad to brief, but not in an open session.

S: No, an executive session I think.

K: Not with any record kept. I am glad to be helpful, but I can't establish the precedent that a White House aide testifies in any form.

S: I'll speak to Phil Farley and tell him I've made this commitment for him and you will x join under those conditions.

K: Okay. I was talking with Laird this morning. His big pitch now is we shouldn't open with a pitch right away. We should wait 10 days. Does that upset your program?

S: No, if he feels strongly we can go down the work program for 10 days.

K: You might want to let him win that one and see about other possibilities. You know his view on MIRV. He isn't going to go along with you.

S: We can take a toll on him to tolerate that. I think you should check the President's psychological position. It might be a letdown if there's nothing for 10 days.

By KML NAFA, Dalo 5/12/04

Telecon
Gerard Smith

4/7/70 9:35 a.m.

K: There's another thought I've had, and this is purely mine. I'm playing with the idea that the first option should have NCA levels on ABM. The limited option doesn't offer them a thing. What do you think?

S: I agree. But I don't want to get into it on this open wire which can probably be read.

K: You're trying to frame me for a security violation. There are more ways of trying to get rid of me...

By KHL NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Telecon
Professor Doty
4/7/70 9:38 a.m.

D: Were you really on vacation?

K: Yes.

D: I supposed you were in Cambodia or something.

K: The effectiveness of our intelligence improves by the absence of our intelligence personnel. We didn't have anybody in Cambodia.

D: You were a brave man to be away this week. I suppose the Defense Department has sharpened its knives for SALT.

K: Yes, we have 120 disagreements. But we had them in the Situation Room for 6 hours yesterday and really used our brass knuckles. I just knocked out most of the outrageous things; I said I refused to take them to the President.

D: I was in Washington and saw Gerry Smith. He was nice to me for the first time. I was more hopeful then after reading Joe Kraft's column of a few days ago.

K: The only thing that matters is how the damned thing comes out. This is more complicated than any previous disarmament problem we have faced.

D: Is there any way that we can be of any use?

K: We are meeting, aren't we?

D: Yes.

K: I have a speech on Wednesday.

D: But your girl has moved it up to 5:00, hasn't she?

K: We better make it 5:30; that's the earliest we can do it.

D: Okay.

K: How are things in Cambridge?

By: KN V NARA, Dato. S/12/04

page 2

D: Quiet. The anniversary is coming up, but it's quiet. I saw Goldman; he's coming to get some of your papers.

K: Yes, I'm trying to get some of my papers classified and worked over. He'll be down this weekend.

D: Did the meeting yesterday solve anything?

K: Yes, it reduced them to manageable problems. It's better to have the catharsis now than during the negotiations. It was pretty rocky. A lot of things came up that I had never heard of before.

D: That's what I heard.

K: I just refused to entertain most of them. The few of them that had merit we reduced to decideable proportions. I think we made some real progress yesterday. We may make the wrong decision, but I think it will be basically okay.

D: Okay, we will meet tomorrow afternoon.

K: And have breakfast Thursday.

By KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

*

TELCOM

McNamara/Kissinger

10:00 am

4/7/80

K: I called you because I wanted a little help with one of your staff members. Larry Lynn is thinking of leaving and going to Stanford for a year. He told me several months ago. I had a week off and review the situation -- the systems analysis thing is (moving from the WH?). I suggested I would give him a title and move him into the WH. If you have any influence with him, I wondered if you would call him. This is one place that has a chance of getting an orderly look at things. I don't know where we would be on SALT and VN.

M: It would be in the interest of the country for him to stay. I will call him.

K: Hewill make up his mind in the next few days. Put it on the ground that it's in the national interest.

M: You are right.

K: SALT, VN, Review established. Then I can make a commitment to replace him.

M: The best is to put it through the WH board?

K: Make it collent and charge it to me.

By KHC NARA, Date 5/12/04

*

TELCOM
M. Green/Kissinger

11:45 am 4/7/70

G: A couple of things. You mentioned another luncheon with Bill Sullivan and me.

K: Good. I xxxx will have Dave Young call your office and we will set it in the next 10 days or so.

G: Cambodia has come up.

K: I found the ? ? ? ? ? ?. You will hear from Young in 24 hours.

G: You have Beyroad's messages?

K: No.

G: He has asked that these messages go to the President.

K: If they came in last week, Haig may have shown them to him.

G: I think they should be

K: If an Ambassador marks it for the President, they will go in.

G: Any plans for further meetings on Cambodia?

K: Nothing in the works now. Do you think it's urgent?

G: No, I prefer to lunch with you first.

K: Let's aim for that.

By KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCON
G. Smith/Kissinger
2:45 pm 4/7/70

S: Do you think we should could squeeze in a meeting with the SALT delegation and the President?

K: I will do my best. When do you Leave? Monday?

S: yes, 9:00 Monday morning.

K: We will try.

By KHC NARA, Dato. S/12/04

*

TELCOM

Richardson/Kissinger

3:03 pm

4/7/70

R: I have had a call earlier today from Chick Colson re an article by Henry Cabot Lodge for the Reader's Digest.

K: Who's Colson?

R: He's the man who handles groups and things. He says you had seen it, or someone on your staff.

K: No, I haven't.

R: Someone in your office. I He called me because he wanted someone in State to see it. I think the draft is pretty bad. Two problems: it bares down hard on the Soviet first strike threat. Secondly, it doesn't distinguish on area defensive versus the thin concept.

K: This was done last week.

R: I think this should be done in your office. I can't call Colson and say there are two or three changes. It's too pervasive.

K: Colson shouldn't have called you.

R: I have known him. But you or someone should be in charge

K: I will give it to the ABM management group. My position on Mellenhoff re Sonnenfeldt -- I hear he is g begging you on a promotion to FSO-1.

R: I got an inkling yesterday when I spoke to Sonnenfeldt.

K: My position is I will have him playing with my personnel and looking at security files. I think we should coordinate.

R: I will be glad to.

K: One of his points is that I have put pressure on State to promote him. I didn't think he was being considered. That's between him and me. But he is alleging a security violation and I will not permit that. We have a security office. So does State. I will not have Mellenhoff judging that. He is not a security officer. I am not going to give him the file and I hope you won't.

R: I'm glad you mentioned it. I will send the article back and also the memo on general force and strategic force levels.

*

By: KHL NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCON
Rogers/Kissinger
5:47 pm 4/7/70

R: On this call to Trudeau. Alex says it's a possibility there's a little flexibility left in Trudeau. If he talks to me -- is the President adamant?

K: He isn't adamant. Just complain he hasn't done what we wanted. You don't have to talk to him. You can talk to the Ambassador.

R: He has a call in. I will talk to him and see

K: Don't take a tough line.

R: On the M.E. Joe Sisco wants us to tell the Israelis not to conduct themselves in the future as in the past on requests. I made that clear to Dean (?) the other day. I don't want the President to think we hadn't done it.

K: No, he knows. Joe asked me and I just thought we should reiterate it.

By KHC NARA, Dale 5/12/04

*

TELCOM

Timmons/Kissinger

5:55 pm

4/7/70

K: I wanted to check about the foreign military sales bill. I have been talking to the Ambassaodr of Iran. Their fiscal year starts now and part of their budget is based on a memo with us of $100 million. Anything you can do to speed it up?

T: I think so.

K: I know the President is anxious to help the Shah.

T: I will go to bat on it and let you know.

K: Good.

By: KHLNARA, Dale: 5/12/94

Telecon

Gerard Smith

4/7/70 7:05 p.m.

S: Has the problem about an alternate mission for Apollo 13 come to your attention?

K: What are you talking about?

S: A contingency plan for Apollo 13, and I vote against it and I think our friend Dick does too.

K: Dick who?

S: Dick Helms.

S: I think you are chairman of a committee that's involved in it. It will come to you.

K: Oh yes. It's going to come to me. I'm not going to favor it. It's a bad time to do it.

S: I agree.

K: We know we can take pictures of the Soviet Union.

S: I agree.

K: Gerry, I occasionally support you, and you will know it when the President votes for Option A.

S: Okay, I just wanted to check.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E112357
By CHNARA Date 9/1/67

*

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Amb. Dobrynin
4/7/70; 8:22 p.m.

K: I understand you are going back to the Soviet Union.

D: It's not quite clear, but a strong possibility.

K: I think if there is a strong possibility I will change my dinner tomorrow night and have dinner with you.

D: Does that suit you better?

K: Thursday would suit me better, but if there is a chance you will be going away...

D: I am awaiting the second confirmation.

K: Why don't I say I will come tomorrow night.

D: Right, tomorrow night -- 8:00 p.m.

K: We can discuss the subject you wanted to...

D: We will have a quiet evening alone.

K: You will agree to every proposition to leave a good impression (laughter).

By KHC NARA, Dato 5/12/04

D: Does that suit you better?

*

By KHLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCON
Packard/Kissinger
afternoon 4/7/70

P: Are you involved in the continental shelf problem?

K: Yes.

P: The Candians are about to go ahead on that northern area/

K: We have told them we violently object.

P: If the President could make a decision on an international authority

K: We have set an internal meeting here for Thursday and we hope to have a
decision Mon. or Tues.

P: If we could have made a comment on this we could have forstalled Brazil,
Canada, etc.

K: I was ready to go three weeks ago. I lean toward your positionand it's the
only answer to these multiplying claims. Hickel has gotten to Ehrlichman
with a very one-sided presentation.

P: In Alaska that 200 meter limit will keep the oil up there. If we talk to the
oil industry, we can probably get some support.

K: Ehrlichman has to get to the President and he won't be back until Thurs.

P: I will help if I can or we will be dead.

K: I agree with you. We will not take the Interior position.

P: That's important.

K: But if I can get Ehrlichman to come along, we're in free.

P: Anything I can do I will be glad to do so.

K: You were very helpful yesterday.

P: I should have gotten some of that done before the meeting. It was necessary
to let our General friend --

K: He was in a ____.

P: I think it's a pity to give the President too many details.

By: KLC NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Packard/Kissinger

4/7/70

-2-

K: That's right. We got rid of a lot yesterday.

P: I will look it over today here. Another thing on the continental shelf matter -- Elliot and I agree. We should take the forthcoming action now and then work on his idea. Then we are not in trouble. XXX the sooner the better.

K: I will try for something next week.

By KHLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telecon
Congressman Chamberlin

4/8/70 12:00

C: I come from central Michigan in an area adjacent to Gerry Ford's. Gerry invites industry people, mayors, and so forth down here for lunch once a year and after lunch we have seminars. It's going to be on May 19 this year. We've had acceptances from Rog Morton, Secretary Finch and MECrackin. We always have had high caliber people. But we're weak this year on anything with international flavor. I talked to Bryce to see if he thought you would entertain an invitation to meet with this group. I know you'd be very well received if you thought you could meet with them for half an hour or 45 minutes and reserve a few minutes to answer their questions.

K: I will do my best. Could you drop me a note about it?

C: Certainly.

K: It's easier for me to do it here.

C: Good. We could bring our people to the White House to see you in the morning. We would be limited to about an hour in the White House area.

K: I will get David Young to work with you on this.

C: I would appreciate it if you would have David Young give me a call.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority: EOLASER
By: CNARA Date: 5/2/87

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TELCORN

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:22 pm

4/8/70

D: I wanted to tell you that I'm leaving early Friday. If it's convenient today, I will drop by today. Or tomorrow. It's up to you. You are much more busy. If today, I would like to come before 6:00 -- I have the Polish Ambassador coming then. Or tomorrow -- whenever it's convenient for you.

K: I prefer a little more tomorrow.

D: 12:00 or 3:00?

K: How about 11:00? I'm going to Camp David for that other thing you made me miss for lunch. I have XXXX answers for you on two points and one other point.

D: 11:00. I The usual way?

K: The diplomatic entrance.

with your bare hands.

D: You know now how to catch a tiger! You need a pair of good tigers at Camp David.

K: I will take on a Leopard first. If I know your government, after I go through all this they will not give me an export license. With my bare hands? I knew you wished me well.

D: I will teach you. You are a strong man. OK, I will be there at 11:00.

By: KNV NARA, Dated: 5/12/04

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TELCONE

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:22 pm

4/8/70

D: 12:00 or 3:00?

K: How about 11:00? I'm going to Camp David for that other thing you made me miss for lunch. I have XXXXX answers for you on two points and one other point.

D: 11:00. Is The usual way?

K: The diplomatic entrance.

with your bare hands.

D: You know now how to catch a tiger/ You need a pair of good tigers at Camp David.

*

TELCONE

Henry Cabot Lodge/Kissinger

12:33 pm 4/8/70

By KCL NARA, Date 5/12/04

L: Last Thurs. morning Herb Klein and Colson, at the request of the President, I think, flew up to see me about an article for the Reader's Digest on ABM -- a subject I am not an expert on. They had Charles Murphy with them. The article they brought was ? ? ? ? ? . I have re-written the article and send it down and they are re-doing my draft and will send it up tonight and I will re-write that. I will send it to you to see if it's ok.

K: I will look at it.

L: I am so close to the President, running with him for V. P., that should get his hands on it and find gaping holes it will make him look bad. If you say it's all right, my confidence is unlimited.

K: I appreciate it and I will look it over carefully.

L: I will mail it to you and you will know what it is.

*

By: KHW NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCON
Milton Katz/Kissinger
3:20 pm 4/8/70

MK: I'm putting together a list of what hopefully will be three lawyers. They will have the following qualifications: They will be from the south, men of integrity and impeccable quality, and I want to give them to someone who can put them on the President's desk.

K: I can do that.

MK: Yourself?

K: Myself or John Ehrlichman.

MK: I want to be guided by you. One of my colleagues knows Ehrlichman and he could send the list to him.

K: Send it to me. The best way to get it to Ehrlichman's attention is through me. I know the *aprix* spirit in which you are making that suggestion.

MK: My own view is that it's in the national interest to maintain his leadership and he needs help right now.

K: I understand your spirit and I appreciate it.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KHL NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCOM
D. Chapin/Kissinger
7:00 pm 4/8/70

K: Somebody told me the President is going to the West Coast from the 23rd to the 3rd.

C: Or the 24th to the 3rd.

K: I will go along? I suppose when it's such a long time.

C: Yes.

K: Which is more likely? Some of my plans depend on it.

C: Probably around noon on the 24th.

K: I was planning on taking my children -- I might take my children to the West Coast for a few days. They are crazy about that.

C: Sure.