David Kennedy

1/21/69 11:53

Juan - Larry

The visit of Secy Kennedy's conversation with Mr. Kissinger was: Secy Kennedy thought it should be at the NSC meeting today, and that if Mr. Kissinger wasn't going to ask the Pres. Kennedy would. HAK said he would try to get the President (who was at a reception) and be back to Secy Kennedy in a half-hour.

Secy Kennedy said President Nixon had told him that an agenda would be sent to the Secy for every meeting, and he would decide whether or not he wanted to attend.

Mr. Kissinger's understanding was that, if there were issues like international monetary policy, Secy Kennedy would attend.

Also:

HAK mentioned that a Prof. Cooper (from Yale) and Mr. Bergsten would be here, and perhaps Secy Kennedy would like to talk to them.

The Secy agreed and then said perhaps they could talk to a Paul Volker(?) Under Secy for Monetary Affairs.

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Secy Rogers
Mr. Kissinger

1-21-69 12:05 PM

K said President was pleased with way this thing had worked out
and said anytime K and R agreed they should just go ahead unless matter
was of overriding importance. K told R about his conversation with
Richardson.

K said the President would like to see Galo Plaza today or tomorrow but
he does want to visit the OAS later. K asked R to arrange meeting.
K said he would call R's office within the next 10 minutes to tell R what
half hour would be suitable on the President's schedule. K asked R if he
would like to accompany and R said yes. R said he had talked to Rockefeller
about a trip to Latin America and he thought it was very good idea
and he suggested we should have the President ask Galo Plaza what he thinks
thinks and have it come from that source.

K also asked R to have his people send a note over as to what
else should be brought up at meeting.

R asked K to take a look at his article in latest issue of LIFE
(I am trying to get copy)

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Ambassador Lucet of France
Mr. Kissinger
1-21-69 1:40 PM

K said he was calling about the request from de Gaulle - received through our Embassy in Paris - to publish the President's letter. K said the difficulty is that the President-elect wrote the box letter as a personal token of his respect for President de Gaulle - he did not write similar letters to other chiefs of state nor were there other letters with handwritten comments. K said we would appreciate it if the exchange of letters were not published as there would be hurt feelings on the part of other chiefs of state. K said if President de Gaulle were to wish to say he had sent a private message to President Nixon without giving the text that would be appropriate. Lucet said he understood and K asked him whether he thought this would be understood in Paris. Lucet said yes. K asked him to transmit this word to Paris today if possible and Lucet said he would.

Lucet said he hoped to see K as soon as he was settled in and K said perhaps next week.

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Phone conversation, Mr. Kissinger and Governor Rockefeller, 1/21/69 7:20 p

HAK said the President had asked him to make the call, and that he (Pres) had been trying to reach the Governor during the day, and would call the Gov. tomorrow (Jan. 22). Subject: what to do with respect to Latin America -- what could be done to show some special concern for L.A. Then Galo Plaza came in, and there was discussion, and that what Latin Americans need is an American who is willing to listen, whom they respect, and who is willing to work cooperatively rather than telling them what to do. When the President asked which American best met that description, Galo Plaza said "Governor Rockefeller."

That is what the President will ask the Governor tomorrow: to go to Latin America as his Special Representative on a series of trips. He would be free to do it on one trip, if he wanted to do 22 countries. HAK said if the Gov. agreed to do it, he could do so a few countries at a time.

Rockefeller said he had a serious problem with the legislature -- budget matters.

HAK said perhaps he could do it over a period of months -- 4 or 5 days at a time. Then HAK repeated that, in conversation with the President, he had with Galo Plaza today, he said: If you had to pick someone of all the Americans that could be sent, who would it be, and Galo Plaza said, there is only one man: Gov. Rockefeller.

Gov. R said he appreciated this. He raised 3 points: (1) timing; (2) the intelligence group, and (3) relation of this area to other areas of the world in the long term (he pointed out the last two go together).

HAK said if the Gov. could at least get started on the mission in February then subsequent trips could be phased into his own schedule.

Gov. R. said the President had spoken to him in Palm Springs about the Foreign Intelligence Board. HAK said although he hadn't had a chance to discuss this, he didn't think these two things were mutually exclusive. Gov. R. said he thought to be part of the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board would be helpful. HAK pointed out that Clark Clifford was a Presidential adviser and was also on the Board. Re FIAB, HAK said he hasn't taken up matter with the President -- a new Executive Order has to be issued -- and he is planning to discuss it with President tomorrow morning.

Gov. R. said he would check things out, that is the timing, the intelligence group, the relation of this area to other areas of the world in the long term. HAK said, in terms of the governor's long-term impact on society, that his relation to other foreign policy problems will really develop out of this,

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and he would not raise it as an issue now.

Gov R: I'm just saying this to you because I want you to know the background. I would not like, after the years you and I worked together, to get solely related to that area of the world.

HAK: But it would seem to me, speaking as a friend, it would be tremendously helpful to get you connected with some foreign policy problems.

Gov R: I am looking ahead -- you and I understand these things.

HAK: I ought to be able to get a lead for you on the other thing (FIAB?).

Gov. R: The other thing would be an indication of what this thing is...

HAK: I would not have agreed to call you unless I thought that he was really sincerely interested in you as a person on this, rather than as a symbol. Otherwise, I would have let Bill Rogers do the calling.

Gov. R.: Henry, this is very good, and I will check it out.

HAK: May I make a suggestion? I would feel, in terms of your long-term impact on society, that your relationship to other foreign policy problems will really develop out of this, and I would not raise it as an issue now.

Gov. R: I'm just saying this to you because I want you to know the background of my thinking. I have no problem. I'm just raising points. Another point: I have made some suggestions and am very interested in working very hard on this Federal/State/local....and I have now an understanding with John Mitchell where he is going to come back to me. I don't want to drop this other field, which is terribly important. But I would like to be able to tell you my thinking, so when we talk you have the background...

HAK: But as Governor you cannot possibly give up that other field.

Gov. R. That's just it,

HAK: I don't think there exists even the remotest thought of that here. If it does, it was not discussed with me.

Gov. R. I view it now from the outside and in a total relationship, so I have to put the pieces together.

HAK: My impression was that there was a really sincere effort to get a handle on the Latin American situation -- that they don't feel it can be done through established procedures.

Gov. R: (he asked if HAK read From Years...?...)

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HAK: Yes, I read it. I think it's a very interesting approach.

Gov. R.: But he didn't do anything on that.

HAK: No, he decided not to do any such statement during the pre-
inauguration period.

Gov. R.: I think that raises some interesting aspects -- I think what one
would have to do is to take various areas of relationship -- and I'm going
to see Galo next week --- now that you have talked to him.

HAK: Galo couldn't have been more enthusiastic.

Gov. R: He is a good friend of mine and yours and a great guy.

HAK: And you and I had lunch with him together a few weeks ago.

Gov. R: It's very interesting.

HAK: I wanted to tell you what the President would be raising with you
tomorrow and he knows I'm calling you, and of course I need hardly add
it would be a great joy for me to have an opportunity to work with you
even indirectly.

Gov. R: But the way you put it now makes it much more possible...

HAK: I didn't see how you could do a 22-country trip, and Galo Plaza,
incidentally, agreed that when he took over the head of OAS he did it
(tour of LA) in four trips, spread out over a period 3 months. The
President would be very content and so would the Secretary of State
if you approached it on that basis.

Gov. R: Have you got someone for Assistant Secretary?

HAK: No.

Gov. R: I think it will be very interesting to talk to him tomorrow. Tell
him I talked to you today, if that's OK with you. I'd just like to mention
the problem, etc.

Gov. R: I will not mention any of the things I mentioned to you, except the
responsibility in Albany. I feel I can say things to you, and I think probably
I will say I've got this problem of Federal/State.... and that that's a matter..

HAK: It was wonderful to see you yesterday.

Gov. R: Well, you're great, and God Bless you. I'll call you afterwards.

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Amb Murphy
Mr. Kissinger
1-22-69 10:40 AM

K told M about NSC meeting on Saturday and M said he would be attending. K said he would send M the paper we will be discussing at the meeting.

M talked about the Hanoi leadership crowd and fact that none of personalities have been attacked and that we should do something about this - said he had tried to sell this to the Johnson Administration but no success. K said he would like to discuss this with M and they agreed to meet after the NSC meeting on Saturday. K said he would have Genl Wheeler present also.

M mentioned his luncheon appt with British Amb today and asked for guidance re Wilson visit. K said President is not very eager to receive foreign visitors to put it mildly - should be turned off until European trip decided. M said Wilson has problems on his schedule and is trying to avoid commitments until he knows when he can see Nixon. M said he would tell him we are doing our best; not firmed up yet but probably will have proposal within short time. K said he could tell Dean that Nixon will not see any other leader before he sees Wilson over here.

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Richard Helms
Mr. Kissinger
1-22-69 11:00 AM

Helms said Bill Bundy had just called him to say he had been
charged by Richardson with organizing briefing for Saturday NSC
meeting on Vietnam. K said this is not State Dept show and
Bundy is not in charge of briefing - State will have 20 minutes,
Helms 20 minutes and Joint Chiefs 20 minutes or so. K asked H
to hit North Vietnamese angles, Laotian/Cambodian, plus
whatever he wants to say about domestic situation in South
including pacification.

K said he would get word to State that they are not in charge of
briefing.

K said Pres would like 303 briefing from Helms and at that time
would like occasion to meet some of senior people. President
would also like review of world situation from Helms after
(after the 303 briefing). No times have been set for these
meetings but K wanted H to think about them.

K said he thought we should have a meeting of the 303 Commitee
and the time was tentatively set for 10:00 AM, Monday, Jan 27.
K said he would confirm.

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Robert Ellsworth
Mr. Kissinger

1/22/69 11:45 AM

(Ellsworth must have posed some question about a Soviet lunch, to which
HAK responded as follows)

HAK: If you listen, it would be very useful -- we are trying to keep an
air of mystery. See if you can link these strategic arms talks to some
political progress. If you could sort of drop the idea, without going
into it, so that we all say the same thing -- that we are eager to have
these things -- that we are eager to see some sign of Soviet goodwill
on both the Middle East and especially Vietnam. Then that would fit
in with what we are saying to them otherwise.

Ellsworth said OK, and asked if HAK would want to go to that lunch --
it would be whenever convenient for us.

HAK said he would reply to that at the end of the day.

Ellsworth said Varonsov(?) is saying to journalists that the reason for
their fast and favorable reaction to the Inaugural speech was that they
wanted to react strongly to Nixon's positive peaceful words in an effort
to make sure that he followed through. HAK said he hadn't seen their
reaction, and Ellsworth said they praised it highly. One of the reasons
for this is that HAK had been making positive statements in New York,
whereas in Washington, Laird and Rogers had not been so positive,
so the Sov Govt wanted to smoke out President Nixon and see what he
really wanted.

Ellsworth said he had been in touch with Bergsten on the textile thing.

HAK said we have the NSC machinery to make a policy decision. We have
to put it in the process and, after a decision is made, you ought to go.
But it is unwise to go unless the President wants you to -- but it is unwise
before we've had a chance to have NSC discussion on it. HAK said he
first heard of the matter thru Allen Greenspan the other day. He has no
views on the merits of the subject.

Ellsworth said the problem, as he sees it, is not so much arriving at
policy decisions in any broad sense at all. Pres. Nixon already arrived
at that and made it clear numerous times during the campaign, and in
public and private, what his policy would be. He feels very strongly
and he is trying to hold the departments to following an orderly procedure.

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HAK: What he said in the campaign is one of the things he will be guided by, but not the only thing. And I think for a Presidential Assistant to go abroad as one of the first contacts, without State and other interested agencies having a chance to express their views...

Ellsworth: I don't think anyone is suggesting any such thing.

HAK: I have no problem with policy if that is his wish. My understanding was that you wanted to leave within a week -- by Feb. 1.

Ellsworth said, ridiculous, who told you that?

HAK: Greenspan, I think, by Feb. 1. I have no problem with your going.

Ellsworth: We have an objective of getting a Presidential statement by Feb. 1, but no one has further goals or objectives in terms of time -- we have to get SecState, Commerce, involved. All of these people have to be informed before it is done.

HAK: Then you and I have no problem at all. You are going through the process that I'm recommending.

Ellsworth: That's correct.

HAK: But what technical procedure are we following..... set up an interagency committee and have you sit on it for the White House.

Ellsworth: I think that's proper. Substantial interagency committee in government with regard to the textile problem. But we do need an immediate task force on this problem.

HAK: ...reconstitute all committees and make them part of the NSC process, and I would like to have this considered in context of general trade policy, and maybe that's the way to handle this. What is your preference on this?

Ellsworth: I have no objection to anything that facilitates the expeditious handling of this matter. We have a problem on timing from three different points of view. In the first place, great pressures have been left over from the last session of Congress and re-emerge from this on textile imports. This is something to be avoided. The President doesn't want that to happen -- nobody does. We want to move forcefully and speedily in this area to avoid pressures from industry and..

Second, the foreign governments involved generally expect a strong early Nixon initiative in this area because they have all read his statements during the campaign, and they anticipate you'll move in this way. They are prepared to accept it. The longer there is delay, the more they

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might get to think it is slipping by.

Third, within the Executive Branch of government and various
places in the State Department there is basic fundamental resistance
to the idea of any kind of productive(?) move.

HAK: Shouldn't we give them a hearing?

Ellsworth: It's a question of whether or not they are being asked for their views on policy. My understanding from the President is he has made the policy decision.

HAK: If the President has made the policy decision, then we have to carry it out. I have no contrary view, since economics is not my strong suit. My point is that I have to see to it that there is an orderly procedure for making the decisions. He doesn't have to make them according to that procedure, and he has a right to make them any way he wants. If he sends me a chit saying, I want this, then I will throw this machinery in motion to support it. Until I have heard, I will handle this policy issue as all others by giving every agency a hearing, get a Presidential decision, and getting it implemented. That's got to be my position. And I just don't want to go around town saying "this is a Presidential decision" when I haven't discussed it with him.

Ellsworth: That's correct.

HAK: Therefore my suggestion#/ would be, set up this committee, get it a 2 or 3 week deadline, let them know the view we have on it at the White House, and do it that way. But if you think that's not right, you raise it with the President -- you have equal status -- and I'm willing to go along either way you do it. Is that reasonable?

Ellsworth: Yes, certainly.

HAK: What is your alternative?

Ellsworth: I don't have any alternatives to the two that you have outlined. I'm seeing the President today. I should have an indication from him.

HAK: Don't misunderstand; I'm not opposed to going ahead on it. I want to go ahead if that's the decision through the regular NSC process.

HAK: You tell me what his decision is, and I'll enthusiastically support it.

Ellsworth: I'll let you know by the end of the day about this lunch. I'll get back to you.

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Gen. Goodpaster
Mr. Kissinger
1/22/69 3:50 pm

Gen. Goodpaster forgot to mention (at lunch) that Gen. Wheeler brought up the protocol of this business in Europe of informing Brosio at the appropriate time--this is one of the bases to be touched.
HAK said absolutely, it helps, and Brosio is very sensitive on these things.

There was discussion of replacement for Gen. Ginsburgh. (Wyant?)
Goodpaster said he was a good and able officer but didn't have depth
and grasp of international issues as Ginsburgh does.

Goodpaster is going to send HAK a note on his idea of trying to get
several young people that could work with our people--from Woodrow
Wilson School at Princeton, from midwest, etc.

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Secretary Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
1-22-69 4:00 PM

R said he had been talking to the President about Bonn and wanted K's view on Bill Tyler. K said he is a real pro - very thoughtful but not very forceful. K said he would rate him very close to the top among the professionals. The immediate reaction in Germany would not be overwhelming - the great advantage would be that Tyler would be right on top of the situation. K said he did not think Tyler and the President would establish the most intimate rapport but his immediate reaction is favorable. K agreed to think it over and be back to Rogers on it.

R said he did not do anything on the Czech thing. K said he agreed that R should not call them in just for that.

R said he wanted to be in touch with K on the draft statement for Saturday and about the reply to Nasser.

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Ben Read
Mr. Kissinger
1-22-69 4:50 PM

Talked about 952 from NATO. Ben gave background as he knew it.
Fxxxx BR said other governments had been asked to give their
views on it tomorrow and that he would give K copy of info memo
to the Secretary as soon as he has it. K said the President has said
he does not want to get locked into positions by the cable process.
K said we have NSC discussion on this whole complex for mid-Feb.
K asked what could be done to cool it off a bit. B said we can't cool
it off in terms of tomorrow since we did ask other governments for
their views. He said we can accept views without endangering
course of action indicated by HAK. BR said principles are
very broad and will not be locked in by receiving views. HAK said
the Pres is also concerned that our reps <del>ahenried</del> abroad act as if
there has been no change in Administration - Pres does not object
at all to creating impression that there is a new look. Cleveland
should not be too enthusiastic tomorrow. BR agreed to get cable over
before it goes out.

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Mr. Vaky
Mr. Kissinger
1/22/69 7:10 pm

Vaky asked if the President got in touch with Rockefeller, and HAK
said yes, about 5:30, but he forgot to tell Bill Rogers. The President
and Gov. Rockefeller were going to talk again, and it was beginning to look
much more hopeful.

No decision has been made as to when Vaky will be coming to join us.
Secy Rogers was going to talk to HAK. HAK said he will be having lunch
with Elliott (and presumably will take up matter with him). HAK ended
conversation by saying "I'm going to give 'em hell tomorrow."

One more item:

Vaky said Galo Plaza is seeing members of OAS Council privately
on his visit to President. Vaky stressed that the Rockefeller business
isn't firm, and Galo Plaza said he understood that. So Vaky thinks
that's all right, although sometimes Galo Plaza is an "unguided missile."

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Joseph Alsop
Mr. Kissinger
1/22/69 8 pm

HAK can call as late as Friday afternoon to see if he will be able to come at all that evening to dinner at the Alsops (Tommy Thompson and Alice Longworth will be there). Alsop made suggestion HAK could come at 5 to 8, and leave 9:15. He also asked him if Jan. 29 would be OK for dinner, and Mr. Kissinger accepted. (no details of time, etc.)

(note: I am not sure the January 29 dinner would hold, should Mr Kissinger be able to go to the dinner this Friday.)

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Joseph Johnson
Mr. Kissinger
1/22/69 8:00 p. m.

Joe Johnson said that the paper will be in print in revised form next week, and they're planning to hold a press conference for release. HAK saw no reason for delaying release on this (in answer to question from JJ).

HAK said that, starting sometime next month, he hopes to get an hour or two at regular intervals with the President for outsiders, and JJ might give some thought to which 3 or 4 people of this group he might bring in. HAK reminded Johnson of his injunction that they shouldn't all be people committed to one point of view.

JJ said HAK has invitation to Bilderberg from Ernst, and HAK said he'd love to come -- although he might not be able to go, he likes the illusion he can. It will be around 11 May, outside of Copenhagen.
JJ wants HAK's help in inviting Rogers and Richardson to this conference. (written invitations aren't out yet) JJ asked what the feeling was about inviting Dean Rusk. HAK said Rusk enjoys the full respect here--he was certain of this. JJ said Ball would be coming because he is on the steering committee.

JJ said he spent last weekend with Ernst in Holland, who told him HAK had been asking questions about Bonn. JJ had a way-out idea--what about General McCormack.(?), Rhodes scholar, spent some time in Germany. Also mentioned Shep, but HAK said that's useless. Jake Beam might be a possibility. People who know both Bill Tyler and Jake Beam think Tyler is better. HAK said Beam would be very acceptable here.
JJ said Beam spent a lot of time in Eastern Europe, and one of our major problems is going to be that one; and Beam is a man who has been respected wherever he has been. Johnson said he would take the judgment of others, but he didn't think either would be a mistake.

HAK invited JJ to feel free to call fairly regularly giving his views on matters like this.

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Genl Wheeler
Mr. Kissinger
1-22-69 AM

W said he had checked into length of time desirable to devote to SIOP (I think)
briefing next week - two hours should be allocated. There are three
subjects to be discussed and Wheeler said it was their thought this
would be just for the President. Both agreed Laird should be asked
along with the Chiefs. Wheeler said he would talk with L and K said
he would check out with President.

Discussed Ginsburg replacing Signius (?). Cabot wants Fred Wyant
rather than Ginsburg. K said Wyant knows nothing about political
military role - this is no reflection on Wyant but he is not the right
one for this job. K said Wheeler should tell Cabot he has 工x talked
it over with K and give him K's judgment - K said he 知道 would
also talk to him about it the next time he calls. Both also agreed that
rank of Lt Genl a little too high for this job.

Discussed emergency procedures. K asked if he needed briefing on
what he does in times of crisis. W said he would get it at SIOP briefing.
Suggested he go over black and gold books in the vault.

K asked whether W had recommendation for him on contingency planning.
W said yes he would talk to him about it - should not be drawn into
NSC group.

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David Packard
Mr. Kissinger
1-23-69 8:50 AM

P and K discussed NSSM 3. K said he would like to have Lynn on the group. P said he thought a representative from BOB should be on the task force. K said Pres has given Treasury impression that they are representative on these matters - he is sure he will not want to maintain that impression but will talk with him today and make the point. K said he would call P back about it.

P said he had memo prepared which he will send to K as soon as he is confirmed. K said we have memo over here which Laird had asked him to prepare before inag - said we will get it finished and get it over to P today so he could consider that in connection with his memo.

K said we are faced with a deadline since there is an NSC meeting on this issue in the middle of Feb. Packard said he was sure they would have something to talk about by the middle of Feb.

prepared

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Secretary Laird
Mr. Kissinger
1/23/69 1:00 pm

In responding to Memo #1 (list of questions on Viet Nam) Sect. Laird
will incorporate in one memorandum the responses and comments of
SecDef, JCS, MACV, CINCPAC, noting differences in answers to
the questions. (This one memo will take the place of 5 different papers.)

HAK agreed this would be the best way to do it.

Sect. Laird said that sometime within the next week "this meeting" should
be set up with General Wheeler, Sect. Laird, and Mr. Walske, the
Special Asst. on Atomic Matters. He also thought Gen. Wheeler should
be there. (He said Walske knows all the background on every change.)

HAK said he thinks the Pres. wants all the Chiefs to be there -- it would
be a good opportunity for him to meet them. Meeting has been agreed to
in principle for next week, but no specific time yet.

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Secy Rogers
H Kissinger
1-23-69 1:00 PM

Re Bonn appt - R said Tyler is retiring so he is out. K said Pres had
mentioned name of Irving (?) - R said that was good possibility.

Re Joe Kraft sotry - according to K's info it was put out by Russians.
R said he called Kraft and asked him and Kraft said he got it from
the Soviet Union representative. K said there is no <u>revealed</u> truth
to it. R said he told Kraft he thought a correction should be printed
and Kraft said he would do so on Sunday. K said we should play it cool
for a few weeks to see if they - the Russians - come up with political
suggestion.

R and K discussed an AID project loans - both agreed that restudy should
be made to put under NSDM procedure.

R said "we ought to get John Brown -- Hopkins we don't want to bring."

R said he thought we ought to talk, maybe a week from Saturday --
when we have the word about the NPT, and H agreed we should move
on it pretty soon, and we ought to line up the Germans and a few others.

R thought the statement (last night's) was good, and H said Pres was pleased.

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Attorney General Mitchell
Mr. Kissinger
1/23/69 2 35 pm

Mr. Mitchell noted his exclusion from NSC meetings, "which was wonderful for him." HAK said it is the President's intention to bring him in gradually, and wants him to be fully briefed, but reason he hasn't been at the meetings up to now is that the Pres wants to exclude some of the Cabinet members who are not statutory members, and in order to have a basis to do that, he has confined the list to statutory members. HAK will make sure Mr. Mitchell is kept informed-- for example, there is some by-play in Paris which doesn't appear in reports and when it jells he will be in touch.

Mr. Mitchell noted that 80% of this report that they bring over is opinions, not unsubstantiated, and if you were to run foreign policy of government, they would be making the foreign policy. He gets suspicious of some of the stuff.

HAK said so is the Pres. We are dealing with it partly by not letting them participate in discussions, and at NSC we let them come in to give briefings. Mitchell asked if it were possible to include more facts than opinion in it and HAK said they will say that's what they are doing. HAK told Mitchell that if he reads one of these items that he questions, drop him a note about it.

Mr. Mitchell said maybe at an appropriate time he and Mr. Kissinger could sit down and run over a few of these reports and make some notes along the above lines.

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Secretary General Galo Plaza
Mr. Kissinger
1-23-69 6:35 PM

tell

Secy Genl said he had the Ambassadors together this morning to/them
in very general terms gist of meeting with President - nothing about
Rockefeller. They were delighted to hear the President at some time
would like to visit the Pan American Union - just waiting for him to come
anytime he pleases. SecGen asked whether HAK thought it should be
formal or informal - both agreed it should be informal.

SecGen said he had contacted Nelson - HAK said both he and President
had talked with him too. HAK thinks he is leaning toward doing it.
Both agreed it would be good for Rockefeller, the country and the
Government.

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Mr. Flannigan
Mr. Kissinger
1-23-69 7:30 ish PM

F wanted to know what K thought of Pat Haggerty taking over NASA.
Wanted to know if K had any interest in seeing him when he comes in.
K said no. F asked if he should see Laird and K said yes. K said
he would be glad to see Haggerty if F thought that would help to sell
him on the idea. F said if it is necessary he will ask K to see him.
F and K discussed Bill Casey and Lindsay for ACDA. K said he would
rather have Casey but in all fairness would have to say Lindsay would
do a better job.

They talked about Juric (?) and K told F he was taking Guhin.
Talked about DuBridge and his four jobs - wondered if National Scientific
Advisory Committee could be separated. F asked about naming Guy
Steever to that - K said quite conceivable but would be very unusual
and would be commented upon.

F and K talked about having lunch next week and if that does not work
out, K said he did want to see him before he left.

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Genl Goodpaster
Mr. Kissinger
1-23-69 9:50 PM

K waid he would appreciate tomorrow G's judgment on set of questions
of what goes into the SIG. G said he would be prepared to talk about it.
On Contingency planning, K said he flatly said that goes to NSC and
G agreed. Both agreed it was good meeting.

G said he would be at Walter Reed in early morning - Haldeman had
suggested he join K at 9:00 meeting with Pres as the Pres wants to
talk with both of them about #2 man at CIA. Since G cannot be present
at 9:00, they will try to get another time tomorrow to see the Pres.

Re SY problems - G had seen papers on two but not on DD. K said he
would get DD file so G could look at it tomorrow. They agreed they
could discuss things to and from Westmoreland's office. G said from
what he has seen so far, it would not cause him to hesitate. Suggested
K might want to have fatherly talk with both of them.

jm

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TELCON
Secretary Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
1-24-69 10:30 AM

Discussed story in paper today about Galo Plaza's meeting with Pres.
Rogers was concerned - not with what he said but the fact that he
quoted the President and Rogers. R wondered if Vaky gave this out.
K said GP had called him yesterday and told him he had had meeting
with OAS Ambs and gave them a brief rundown - he is sure the story
came from GP. R said he had some question about Vaky. K said he
could assure R that he has told his staff that any contact with the press
is cause for immediate dismissal - that he will not tolerate it. He said
Pedersen had been at his first staff meeting and he not only told the
K not only told the staff they could not leak anything to the
press but they cannot see the press. He also made clear to the staff
that the leaky contact within State should be Pedersen and Read.

R said he would be seeing K at 2:00 and they could discuss
other things

jm

MEMORANDUM

THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON

TELCONE
Secy Laird

Mr. Kissinger
1/24/69 10 35 am

HAK told Secy Laird that the President would like to have the SIOP
briefing Monday at 2:00 pm, from 2:00 to 4:00. From our side,
HAK would be accompanying the President. Meeting will be at Defense.

Secy Laird will let us have a list of who will be there from Defense
(presumably, Laird, the Chiefs, and Dr. Carl Walske). HAK said
he would not contact Gen Wheeler, but would leave that up to Laird.

The visit to Defense will be a <u>briefing</u> visit. (State is especially
anxious that the President's <u>first official</u> visit be <u>to State.</u>)

(HAK mentioned to Secy Laird that the Pres.would pay another visit
to Defense at a later date, to meet senior Defense people.)

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TELCOM

Mr. Bendall
Mr. Kissinger
1/24/69 11:35 am

Mr. Bendall said that Michael hopes to send HAK something on the subject he mentioned--also on the international monetary business-- this will have no standing -- it will be a non-paper.

Edward Tomkins will let us know when the paper comes, and HAK suggested he bring it over--he'd like to meet him.

Bendall will be taking over Western Europe-NATO when he goes back.

*(Minister Tomkins of the British Embassy)*

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TELCONE

Secy Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
1/24/69 7:45 pm

Secy Rogers said he would be inclined to take out "that whole sentence
starting with 'and'" and send telegram to Bunker that he can give
President's personal assurance to Thieu that this is what we would put
down in negotiation -- but the President wanted the statement as simple
as possible. But authorize Bunker to give his personal assurance
that he will put in all safeguards...

HAK said that, rather than going to the President, since he doesn't
think they should bother him with it, he goes along with Rogers' judgment;
he supports it.

Rogers: In view of the fact he doesn't want to start out with a collision
with the South Vietnamese, and they've accepted everything but this one
condition...

HAK: In an ideal situation, if we could do it all over again, I'd rather
move towards it from a bland and meaningless one to get them to wonder
what the hell we do mean. But this goes so far towards the basic conception
that, given all the elements of the US effort that have supported it and
given the tight deadline....

Rogers: Given the President's view that he doesn't want to start out with
having trouble with the South...

HAK: Bill, I think this is something we should do.

TELCONE

Mr. Haldeman
Mr. Kissinger
1-25-69 4:30 PM

Re press conf - K said Keogh has been in touch with State to ask for
briefing books, etc and asked H to advise him that K is the only
contact with State. Haldeman agreed that K should be the contact
for State and Defense. K said not to do anything about it this time.

K said he would have his suggestions to the Pres by 6:00 tomorrow
afternoon. K said he will not be here and the President knows it
(he hopes to go to New York). H said so long as he was available
Monday morning, it was o.k. He said the Pres has said he does
not want 9:00 briefing on Monday, but H is sure he will change his
mind.

jm

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TELCON
Dwight Chapin
Mr. Kissinger
4:40 PM 1-25-69

Re SIOP Briefing. C said Col. Hughes would be going too.
K said he might bring along his Military Aide - Col. Haig and said
he would let C know if so. C said the plan is to depart here at
1:50 - car will leave from right outside by the Oval Office.
C asked if all arrangements had been made - K said yes but he
would double check on them.
Both agreed it is strictly a briefing and K said he had told them
that is the way it should be announced. He has told Rogers about
it as well.

K asked when the President is going to State and C said they are
trying to set it up for next Wednesday.

jm