Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

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By KHL NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telcon
The President
October 12, 1970; 6:10 p.m.

P: Did Bob reach you on the plane? I just thought this wasn't exactly the right way to do this. I like the idea of putting it in the NSC context. Let's do it in the whole Council. Remember we presented the problem before the Council; let's present this to the Council in the same general context. Then we have a good record. I think your idea of having Haig go around and present pictures is good because then the Churches and other people can see there is nothing there.

K: I will go to Laird and Rogers.

P: Yes. Remember we shouldn't go about talking to Rogers; that wouldn't be fair to Laird.

K: Laird is dieing to leak this. His intelligence picked them up on the high seas.

P: Tell him to hold it.

K: I have already told him to hold it.

P: That will really hurt us with the Russians because they play fair with us on this and whenever they play fair with us we must play fair with them. I think they have some sense of propriety.

K: We must not make it public that we faced them down.

P: Therefore we must not puff in public, but the fact is that they are gone now. Tell Laird, mum's the word unless you think we should meet tomorrow.

K: I don't think that is necessary. I can work with Alex Johnson tomorrow to pass some guidance for the press.

P: Let's get the guidance now and everybody sits with it. We will make Laird swear on the Bible on it. I like doing it in an orderly way. Much better than off in left field because Laird has to know what is going on.

K: Joe Alsop was moved to tears by your phone call. He was in tears. I don't know what you said to him.

P: I said I hope the next 60 years were as good as the last and the country we owe him a deep debt for his courage.

By KHLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telcon - Pres.

-2-

K: He said he wanted me to know he was not a man given to emotion, but nothing has moved him so much and it was the most beautiful thing that could have happened to him. He is a great patriot.

P: He stood with us when all his friends were running.

K: Absolutely. It is fascinating to see how almost everyone now admits the Cambodia thing was right.

P: How did your talks go?

K: I think they were very well.

P: You disarmed them completely. Everyone when they did came through the line was ecstatic - and this is New England.

K: They had Crocker Snow who used to be a student of mine and who is with the Boston Globe. He used to write how we had divided the country. He said today the academics are ready to come back into the fold, are you going to listen to them? He has a son who is on the editorial page of the (New York Times?).

P: Good, we will have to use him.

K: If we compare today's questions with July 1, all the questions were enormously respectful and people asking set-up questions, like "you couldn't have done it in Jordan unless you did what you did in Cambodia."

P: Did they ask that? Good.

K: Howard came up to Sisco afterwards and said, if you bring domestic policy up to the level of foreign policy we have to quit.

P: Did Sisco do well?

K: He did a good solid job.

P: After I come in cold to those I don't know what you said.

K: Well, you did just what was right. You paralleled me on a few things that had already been said, but I think that is good to show this is your philosophy and not just somebody's construction of it.

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Telcon - President

By KHLW NARA, Date 5/13/04

P: The US - what it will be like for the next 25 years depends on whether we have the guts, the stamina, the wisdom to exert leadership, will determine whether the future of the country...that is really what the facts are. People may want to put their heads in the sand; they may want to clean up the ghettos. All right, we will get out of the world. Who is left? The two activists, Russia and Communist China.

K: If you will look at countries like Austria. When they had great political power they also did great things domestically. Now they are just shrunk into weak petty countries.

P: All these people are concerned about peace in the world. We go to the sidelines and there x are a couple of big boys out there ready to play. - China and Russia. All we are doing is fighting for the right of countries to be free.

KX

K: Their conflicts are going to be infinitely more bitter than anything we participate in.

P: Crawford has a good article in Newsweek. You might take a look at it. Did you hear about the poll. The percentage of approval was 67 and disapproval 25.

K: Approval of the speech?

P: α No, approval of the Presidency. It won't be that high by early November, probably around 60-62. When we were up in Connecticut we had a hell of a reception. These people were all for us. Something has caught on.

K: The fact that you have held your course. I found that one point that went very well over today was that the President had many easy opportunities to yield to popular pressure but he felt that it was important we end the war in Vietnam as a governmental decision and not to yield to the voices in the street. They applauded that. I think it is the fact that you have held your course against the most domestic pressures any President has had to face since the Civil War.

P: I had an easy option to blame it all on Johnson and get the hell out. Just get out and let the country go to hell. Peace in our time, or peace for the next election.

K: At this party yesterday Tom Braden jumped all over Joe Kraft for not giving you full support in his column. Braden and Mankiewicz are writing a column now supporting you, but it won't appear in the Post.

By: KHLW NARA, Dato 5/12/04

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Telcon - President -4-

P: The Post is awful, but they still run Joe Alsop.

K: They run Alsop because he is the most popular. The Post is an organ of the National Democratic Committee.

P: I told Sulzberger I thought his three editorials were very helpful and I hope they were read in Hanoi.

K: I had a letter from Carl Kaysen who three months ago wrote me the vilest letters about the Administration.

P: I hope you kept these letters - give me copies. What did he say?

K: He said "congratulations to you for your speech last night. I was greatly impressed by the [signature] cautious and flexible language in which the speech was couched." He goes on explaining the paragraphs he likes. He ends up saying, I trust I can take up your invitation to call on you.

P: Let me ask you, what do you think we should do on Agnew now, in a political vein? Some people up there [signature] thought he should continue, but a little more muted.

K: I think he should mute it now.

P: I have the same feeling. I think he will look too carping if he continues.

K: You will remember, I was saying, let him continue when everyone was jumping on him. But I think now he should mute it.

P: Make this suggestion to Haldeman tomorrow morning. But I don't want him out there still kicking the bones here at a time that...for example, when I got off the plane in Westchester there were 400-500 Buckley signs, and who was there to meet me but Browny Reed. He was all out for us and hanging on. The son-of-a-gun is scared to death. We have public support we didn't have before. This is much broader than November 3.

K: On November 3 you stood against the tide.

P: Now we have a lot of intellectuals with us.

K: This speech gave them a good excuse to come over. What made them waver is that Cambodia was obviously working. The success on the Middle East -- they don't know how you did it, but you pulled it together. If they

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By KHLU NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telcon - President

knew about Cuba, with a much better situation Kennedy came to the brink of war. And we did it with a much more glaring case and it hardly raised a ripple.

P: That's very important.

K: At the right moment someone might want to get that out.

P: At the right moment, yes.

K: I wonder if we shouldn't tell a few of those Senators who we gave a briefing. The bare essence of the thing. The people will ascribe it to Soviet benevolence.

P: The thing I think has to be emphasized over and over in our relations with the Soviet is to make the point that the US and the Soviet have diametrically opposing views about the world. They want one thing and we want another in the Mideast and Europe. But we have some things in common. So you work it out.

K: But do it on a realistic basis that you described.

P: The liberals really believe that it will be better if we just know each other.

K: The trouble is not that we don't understand each other, but that we understand each other too well. What they also don't understand is that the Communists prefer to deal with someone who is unemotional - precise. You can make that point, but I cannot.

P: How did you do it?

K: I said we can't deal with them on the basis of psychology. We have to be very precise.

P: That fitted in well with what I said, didn't it?

K: What was astonishing today is how you picked up some of the themes I had started and developed them.

P: Did these guys get the point?

K: Day, from the Baltimore Sun.

P: Price Day - I like him. What did he say?

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By KHU NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telcon - President

K: He said, I liked the way all these things hung together and you gave
a philosophical ____.

P: Tomorrow, let Haig do the backgrounder thing, and on Wednesday
have a little meeting and you and Alex work up a scenario. The main
thing is don't embarrass the Russians. We have bigger fish to fry.
Let me tell you an interesting thing to tell you why we want this summit
thing. I put a question in the poll taken over the weekend. It would be
very good for world peace if the President of the US and Mr. Kosygin
had a summit meeting, and some disagree. Do you favor, or not favor?
76% favor a summit meeting. 18% are against it. Now we are not going
to tell anybody that. The point is *know that kind of* with that kind of
numbers it shows you how this kind of announcement made a week
before can have a great effect. If we can get Gromyko when he comes
down - that is the way to do it, with Rogers sitting there, you sitting
there and Dobrynin - say fine we will have it next week. I think that
is the way to do it and if that goes that will have a better effect than
having the damn meeting tomorrow or any time next week. -- don't you think so?

K: Of course, it will be the expectation and there couldn't be anything
going wrong yet. And also we will have a club over their heads.

P: You did a great job today. Ziegler said when Kissinger gets before
them it makes all the others look like freshmen.

ms

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By KHW NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer

7:05 p.m., October 12, 1970

O: Told Mr. Kissinger that Dr. Stainton, CBS, had called and asked for a print of the show. She asked who the print was for and his office told her it would be given to Mr. Kissinger.

K: Asked if all victims didn't receive copies.

O: There was a cost of about $200.00 involved and that this was not normally done, however, Dr. Stainton's office planned to give Mr. Kissinger a copy free of charge.

Miss Osmer told Mr. Kissinger that she had had something Mr. Kissinger said about the children deleted after thinking about the impact it would have on the children.

K: Mr. Kissinger expressed his appreciation and complimented her on the sensitivity with which she had handled the job.

O: The part about you and Rogers is wonderful. There is a comment made before saying that you deny allegations made about you and Rogers, and we let you get away with it.

K: Asked when she was coming down.

O: Soon, got a whole list of all those questions to be answered but said that she was not providing them ahead of time because she didn't want him to be prepared but now that Dr. Stainton had taken away the [privilege] of delivering the print, she would bring those of the children.

K: Said he was much more interested in those.

O: Got all your pictures together.

K: Did you use the one with Mrs. Freeman?

O: No, we used the one with the elderly lady (Alice Longworth?). We used Jill St. John and Shirley MacLaine. They will be on the screen only a second. We did not use Gloria and Nancy.

K: Said he didn't really care about Gloria but he appreciated that they didn't use Nancy.

By: KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer

7:05 p.m., October 12, 1970 -- page 2

K: Interested in what Prof. Shilling has to say.

O: You will find it very interesting. We used quite a bit of it. He talked about your coming back to Harvard, we didn't use any of that -- takes so much time to make it understandable.

Called you ahead of time to see if you would be talking to me.
Next time we will do an hour. Asked about his leaving on the
15th of October.

K: Asked about her coming on Wednesday.

O: Going to the Wallaces -- Mrs. Wallace has invited me to dinner.
Will have to try the next week.

K: Next week, I will be on the West Coast -- have to keep up my contacts.
Have to give a talk out there -- just there for a day and a half.

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By KHL NARA, Date 5/13/04

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida

7:55 p.m., October 12, 1970

Y: Did you meet our representative?

K: I met him just for the beginning of the meeting to express my friend's interest. I have just met now with my representative who was present.

Y: Yes.

K: My staff member tells me there was next to no move on your part next to last June.

Y: I see. Your progress?

K: Not at all, practically none. Don't think we are going to be authorized to proceed much further this way.

Y: That's too bad. I am going to meet my friend on this side, say shortly, in the next three hours I am going -- I'll try to talk with him about this matter. How does your friend feel about this matter.

K: My friend feels, you know how my friend feels -- there is an understanding and it hasn't been realized but above all if you do something, then we can avoid the legislation. If not, we may be forced.

Y: That's right, what is the prospect of the decision?

K: Practically certain unless we veto it.

Y: How soon?

K: About November 15th.

Y: November 15?

K: Yes.

Y: That's very -- very serious for both of us. And you think that unless my friend will meet your friend it is not -- you need something concrete.

K: My friend will not raise the issue.

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By KHC NARA, Dato 5/13/04

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida

7:55 p.m., October 12, 1970

Y: The action has to be taken from our side?

K: There is no sense in discussing unless there can be some agreement. Will just make things difficult.

Y: Our representative you met today did not propose something concrete that has some substantial progress?

K: I have not actually read the book. My staff member who attended the meeting was just in my office. He said there is practically no difference of what was said today and what was said in June but not enough for us to got against the legislation.

Y: I am not really an expert on the subject -- could you tell me again about the minimum requirements on your part.

K: My staff member has it -- have asked him to write it up for me but I don't have it here.

Y: Tonight?

K: I am not going to be here, will get my staff member or Haig to call you.

Y: Would you get it done by your staff and let Mr. Haig call me at my office as soon as possible?

K: All right, I will do that within the next hour.

Y: That will be fine, let me have Haig back so that I could tell him the exact number where I could be reached? As soon as I get word from Haig, I will meet my friend.

H: (came on the line)

Y: 354-2733 that is my office number as you know.

H: I will do that within an hour.

wgh

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By: KHL W NARA, Date: 5/12/04

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Don Rumsfeld
10/12/70; 8:15 p.m.

R: Someone in my shop is trying to hire someone from your shop.

K: Over my dead body!

R: That's what I thought. Let's try to trace some history -- I remember
you said the world would fall apart if we hired that other guy. This guy's
name is Bob Sansom.

K: He is the other guy's second man. He is Larry Lynn's second man.

R: Is that right! What does that say about my recruiters -- they have
superb

K: It's the one irreplaceable shop I have -- did all the analytical work
on which the ceasefire is based. Has he said he would take it?

R: No.

K: He would not leave me -- he wants to be with a maniacal boss; you
are too kind. I don't want to lose him.

R: John W ______ wants to make Sansom head of our research for
OEO. What if he wants to leave?

K: Listen, I don't believe in giving my people a free choice (laughter).
Let me talk to Haig -- can I call you in 24 hours. If it is really a
promotion I won't stand in his way. I will blackmail him in other ways.
But, there is something about the Air force. . .

R: We have our whole staff ready for Tuesday night. Don't tell me
you don't know what is going on Tuesday night!!

K: I have my whole staff ready, too!

feg

By KHC NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telecon

Bob Finch

10/13/70 8:40 a.m.

K: I am somewhat concerned about not appearing in a purely political role, and that person who called me knew exactly what it was, which I didn't. It's in Chasen's restaurant.

F: No, it's in a back room there.

K: I know the purpose, but I think it will hurt my effectiveness if I appeared in a purely political role.

F: Yes, but we made it clear that it was not to be a purely political role. The invitations . . . and the group . . . It is not a fund raiser. Murphy will not be there . . .

K: Oh he will not? That helps.

F: And there will be no pitch for money. It's just the President has asked a friend to give a backgrounder on the Middle East.

K: Who is coming?

F: Ted Cummings . . .

K: Who is he?

F: He has an enormous chain of markets and three hospitals--a great benefactor to the area.

K: And that's for lunch on Tuesday?

F: Yes, and the Los Angeles Times wanted you for a backgrounder.

K: And you'll arrange that?

F: Yes.

K: For around 4:30 or 5:00.

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By: KHL NARA, Date: 5/12/04

Telecon

Alex Johnson

10/13/70 8:45 a.m.

K: The President wanted me to have a meeting about... just to wrap up the Cuban thing with that working group this morning.

J: All right. The problem is we have the Fascell hearings at 10:00 this morning. We were going to send Bob Hurwitch. What can Bob say this morning? I've seen these tickets at Tass.

K: This is why it's essential to get together--at 10:00. Tell him to hold off if he possibly can,

J: Can we say that we will be prepared to speak to this subject this afternoon?

K: I'd like to hold that open till we have the meeting. We may come to that conclusion but it's a matter of some delicacy. It's not possible to say that at this point we'll for sure have something after the meeting to say. I wouldn't want to say that without consulting with you first. You'll see why.

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By KHC NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telecon
Secretary Laird
10/13/70 8:50 a.m.

K: I wanted to get a few people together at the direction of the
President this morning to work out some guidance on the Cuban business.
Dave is out of town?

L: Yes, till this afternoon.

K: Is there anyone else who can work on that?

L: I haven't brought a lot of people into it--we've held if pretty
closely.

K: I was going to hold it at 10:00 this morning. That's a Tass
statement now, as Dobrynin told me there would be. I think we'll
have a lot of questions about it.

L: I told them yesterday that we'd give them an update on Wed-
nesday or Thursday. We thought we would give them not only Soviet
naval activity in the Caribbean but the Mediterranean also at the same
time.

K: I'm wondering if in a low-key way you shouldn't drop it out
at the Pentagon today that the ships have left. Can you come to the
meeting?

L: Yes, I'll come if you need me.

K: Good, and bring any military man of your choice. Why don't
you bring Zumwalt?

L: Either Zumwalt or John Vogt.

K: Okay, it's up to you.

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By KH NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

Telecon
Secretary Laird
10/13/70 4:15 p.m.

K: It went pretty well today. I haven't seen yet how it is playing in the news.

L: We'll get kicked in the teeth that we manufactured it for the budget.

K: I don't see how you can. We've played it with enormous restraint.

L: What I'm calling about, I sent you a memo last night -- I signed it yesterday around noon -- on these two operations . . .

K: I haven't seen it.

L: In the Black and . . .

K: Oh yes. I know.

L: And I think we should check again and hold off.

KK

K: On the Baltic certainly.

L: On the Black, whether we should hold off on the Rumanian part call. And not increase the size of the force.

K: I wouldn't increase the force in the Black Sea now.

L: No, some time we may want to do that for a good reason and we don't have one now. Should we even go ahead with the two destroyers?

K: Yes, that's regular.

L: And just go ahead on a regular basis.

K: Good.

L: I was worried about the memo.

K: No, I agree with you. But I wouldn't weasel on what heppend in Cuba. I'd take the position that it was damned serious.

L: Oh I have.

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By: KHL NARA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCON
Otis Chandler/Kissinger
11:10 a.m. 10/13/70

Ch: I was just calling to see if you would have anytime at all when you are out our way next week.

K: I am giving a talk at a lunch to some of the President's friends, strictly non-political.

C: What's your schedule?

K: I could do it at 4:30 or 5:00 in the afternoon.

C: Let's plan on that. Come into my office on the second floor and I will have a few senior guys. See you then.

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By KML NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCON
Pierpoint/Kissinger
12:21 p.m. 10/13/70

P: Can we talk on a background basis?

K: Wait a second.

P: I would like to ask you how seriously to take the Soviet denial of missile bases since Gromyko told Kennedy they wouldn't put missiles in there.

K: There will be/from the Departments today that give facts about Soviet ship movements. We are watching it. For your own information, for deep background, I'd some of the ships we were most concerned about left the port.

P: So our warning did good.

K: No, the ships could have constituted a base -- repair ships.

P: So because of our warning they may decide to live up to the '62.

K: It couldn't have hurt.

P: Good point.

K: We are not out of the woods yet because shore installations are there. But the ships are gone. Don't ascribe this to the WH.

P: On my own. I understand that.

K: Don't put in those actions that said there was nothing there. We would not have spoken as we did.

P: Your debut is tonight?

K: It all happened before I lost weight so my vanity is -- don't worry about your jov.

P: They say accents are charming on the air. I will use this but not attribute it in any way.

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TELCON
Harold Gibbons/Kissinger
12:26 p.m. 10/13/70

By KHW NARA, Date 5/13/70

K: Are you here to intimidate the poor academics?

G: I am here for teamsters. I am here today or tomorrow. If you are free I will join you for lunch tomorrow.

K: I would love to see you. I've got Dewey and Clay coming in. How about breakfast?

G: Or a drink?

K: At 8:30 -- no I have the NSC tomorrow. Or a drink in the late afternoon.

G: That's better.

K: How about 6:30 or 7:00?

G: That would be better. I may have gone by that time tomorrow.

K: Come by about 7:00.

G: Where are you?

K: IN the West Wing of the WH.

G: I will come by at 7:00.

K: I will have half an hour.

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By KHLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

Albert Wolstader/Mr. Kissinger

October 13, 1970 12:30 p.m.

jlj

W: I am working very hard on trying to get the memorandum you wanted. I assume what you need now is something for a meeting on this of the Verification Panel on Friday.

K: Monday

W: Monday. Cy Weiss (phonetic), who will also talk with Irwin. I have asked him to come here tonight so I can be up to date.

K: Where is here?

W: He is in Washington. I am in Chicago. He can take it back and will try to get it to you personally before [the meeting].

K: Good. I do not want this staffed out all over the State Department before I have had a chance to read it.

W: Only person who knows is Cy and I think you can trust him completely. And I have tested him. There is a 40 page back up which still needs some checking out. I assume you do not have need for that now.

K: I skim things like that.

W: This is not typed. It is very rough.

K: I would not hold it up for that.

W: I have looked very carefully [at this question and I think you have the] occasion for making a change. A lot of people who are [uptight about this issue are] uncomfortable about options -------- as they are now. You are busy trying to extracate us from Vietnam. Think this is only of the 2nd order. I want to help you in getting out flex administratively from the clutches of the bureaucracy.

K: Thank you.

There is something I want to talk to you about. But we

W: /WXX will talk about it at another point.

K: Like what?

W: Some sorts (?) of arguments made last Spring. Had no basis at all. I really had worked out [a list of arguments]. We should make damn sure that there is a list of concise statement for you. I will be in town next week.

K: I will make an effort.

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By KHC NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCON
Blount/Kissinger

3:37 p.m. 10/13/70

B: Could I come over there and try that blue loveseat? You and your publick publicity hounds.

K: Barbara Howar is a menace.

B: Did Haldeman talk to you about a project we discussed just now just before you sent to Europe? He said he thought it was a good idea. When he came back he said it was good and in your shop. We deliver the mail to the POWs in Hanoi in two ways. Letter mail goes to __________ and then Kan Tong and then Hanoi. Packages go to Switz., then to Moscow, then to Peking and then to Hanoi. We talked about the possibility of me going to see if the packages are delivered. If the NVN cooperate there's a plane that goes once a week to Hanoi and if they don't agree --

K: They won't.

B: Otherwise, was to go there, trace packages as far as we could go. Bob reacted positively but __________ I know there's a lot of questions. He said it was in your shop.

K: Just because they will turn it down, doesn't mean we shouldn't offer it.

B: That's right and the visibility on trying to see how far we can go. We don't loose if we fail.

K: OK

B: Will you talk to Bob?

K: I will.

B: If there's any agreement that we should do it, there are arrangements to be made and we are thinking of late Nov.

K: Talk to me about it on my love seat.

B: It depends on who you have waiting on it.

K: It's the gayest office in town.

B: With that love seat, I understand.

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By KHLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telecon
Senator Javits
10/13/70 3:40 p.m.

J: I called because the news has come through this morning that the President has opted for the one percent target in the development business at the UN.

K: Once in a while you've got to lose an argument just to prove you don't win them all. But it's essentially your recommendation.

J: That's right. Here is the question: How are they to handle this? I thought I would ask you and then go to Rogers. Rogers apparently passed word to the delegation that he thinks the President ought to say this on the 23rd. They thought they were immediately authorized to use this in private and have already done so. If nothing is said about this before the 23rd, they may be attacked for not doing it when we are going to. But then, if that's all the President's speech has, it would be a lead balloon.

K: No, that's not all it's got.

J: It can come out as the President's statement. He can release it. Then all we do is...

K: May I check with the President and let you know tomorrow?

J: Yes, please do. There's another question, a totally new line-up on China. I had lunch with the Chinese Ambassador and Minister of External Affairs and we discussed this subject. They are still of course solidly against anything. The question is whether the U.S. may want to begin to open the door... This is very important, especially with the Russians cheating the hell out of us. I am in charge of this, but don't want to say anything if it's not the President's policy.

K: What do you recommend?

J: I think we should do as the President has done -- begin to open the door a little, give a feeling that a posture is developing. The real implication of this is that the Chinese are beginning to show that they want in. Our case has been that they don't want in. I think we should begin to say this is a developing situation, which may bring on changes.

K: Let me talk to the President about that one too.

J: Okay, but there's more urgency about the former.

K: I'll get you an answer on the former by tomorrow noon.

TELCONE

Kraft/Kraft/Kraft/Kissinger

5:07 p.m.

10/13/70

By: KHC NARA, Date: 5/12/04

HAK: I enjoyed the evening. I just wanted to call you. You saw the Soviet Tass statement today?

K: Struck me as very unconvincing.

HAK: Also some of the ships that concerned us have left the port.

K: That's encouraging.

HAK: I believe the conclusions you mentioned yesterday are still correct and danger of totally confusing the Soviets and bringing about drastic courses of ? ? ? ? ? ? ? but I don't want you to be misled.

K: The statement struck me as not responsive if what they said is they are not building bases.

HAK: Slightly evasive. What is a base? That's not the charge.

K: A flexibility they might want to use.

HAK: That they were building. You got it correctly.

K: Removal of ships is useful. Why did you make them whole thing public? In Chicago you didn't even brief it.

HAK: In Chicago it was an accident that I was asked and information wasn't clear yet. Some day I will tell you how it was made public on that Friday.

Enough had leaked out that it was a problem of misunderstanding of era by saying nothing there and having them move in. So this gave them the opportunity to withdraw without loss of face. One thing I can tell you -- No proof but we don't have wouldn't have spoken without massive evidence. This fact was known to senior officials. I don't want to go into that.

K: Thank you for calling. Harpers called. The piece will run in January. They find it too sentimental of you. I wasn't astonished.

HAK: I am astonished at their telling you if a piece should be favorable or unfavorable.

K: They feel that the conclusions at the end are characteristic ???? at the end and ???? the beginning. I am giving them a shorthand version.

HAK: They are not asking you to square the beginning to the end but the other way.

K: They have suggested the other way around. I think no problems.

*

By KHC NARA, Dale 5/12/04

Telecon
Benjamin Wells (NYT)

10/13/70 5:35 p.m.

W: My information is that the extent of the construction in Cuba to which we have been referring is relatively limited, a couple of barracks, a soccer field.

K: I am not going to give you any information on that except that you've been fed a pack of lies two weeks ago and I don't suppose your informants have become any more accurate since. You say what Defense said.

W: Yes, and in the best and most honest journalist tradition I just wanted to touch base with you.

K: We said 'We are not saying what it is but here are the consequences of what it would become.' We have given the honest facts at every stage . . .

W: Even as to the extent of construction?

K: I am not saying what is was and what it wasn't; I just wouldn't take as truth what other people said it wasn't.

W: All right. Thank you.

K called W back immediately after above conversation ended.

K: I just wanted to make sure I am not quoted.

W: We wouldn't quote you for anything on earth. We will protect you; don't worry.

By KHL NARA, Date 5/12/04

Telecon
Tom Braden
10/13/70 6:10 p.m.

B: I was calling you about a personal matter. Was I very rude last night to Joe Kraft?

K: No.

B: Because I met him at lunch today and I am not used to people taking themselves this seriously. He said "if you ever do to me again what you did last night, we can no longer be friends."

K: What I remember your saying is that you had always been an admirer of his, but you thought he went off the reservation on this one.

B: But it wasn't rude?

K: No. I have been saying for a long time that if the liberal community wants to be listened to they have got to sometimes say "This was right."

B: All right. I just wanted to know if you thought I was rude. I talked to Cy Vance this morning and he told me he was entirely in the ball game.

K: That's right. He is.

*

By KHL NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCOM
Johnson/Kissinger
6:17 p. m. 10/13/70

K: I have gotten calls from various people including Wells who said there was nothing there to begin with. He said he got it from State. I said we haven't said was was or not there. I simply will not let myself get drawn into a debate. If everyone could say nothing --

J: I cannot imagine --

K: They usually give the wrong department when they call. It might have been Defense.

J: That's been the word around here.

K: McCloskey put out what we said?

J: Exactly. I haven't seen the papers.

K: NO, but it obviously has the press' attention. Zeigler has said nothing and sent people to Defense and State.

J: I have had no calls. I don't know where I can stop this up. I will go the rounds again tomorrow.

*

By K.L. NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCOM

S Taft Schreiber/Kissinger

7:02 p.m.

10/13/70

K: We had the word you were in town this morning.

S: No, Firestone came in.

K: I saw them. I called about that lunch next week. Make sure there's no problem with the publicity of a partisan nature.

S: No, Firestone. Even the telegram said that a special report would be given by the WH. Some have told the people. They ask what he will talk about but I say I don't know.

K: I think it's better if I talk about foreign policy in general and bring in the M.E.

S: Right. I will watch carefully what you say because I have specail appeal for Bob in Dallas. We have done this for Nixon before he was elected and we raised a ton of money. By his actions and promises he came up with an idea we had to have. Planes for Israel. We went on to? ? ? ? I have been briefed on what I can and cannot say. Someone will say how do you view the M.E.

K: That's easy. How long is the affair.

S: People weill be ther at 12:00 for drinks. Lunch at 12:30. Your on at 1:30 at the latest. There will be a car waiting for you and then you will walk out and we will keep the others there. The one thought -- you know what these things are -- the point that would make the greatest impression is not what goes on but the truth that the President does have an uncanny knowledge of what goes on and where the pressures are and who the enemies are. Golda Meir told me that never before has there been such a friend for Israel. After you leave, we will say what that is but they should have the feeling that we are lucky to have that man on the WH and we believe he is right. Your report is your report. You may say you don't want to talk about him. I will not put words in your mouth. Jack Warner is flying here for the lunch. He says he must hear you. They want to be reassured.

K: How discrete are they?

S: If you make it clear that discretion is the problem and you are assured that they are of the highest caliber and probably 100 of the best --

K: Better if I talk or answer questions?

S: If you reviewed policies and what's been accomplished and say there must be questions, so what do you want to hear? 10-15 mins. of report and 15 of questions

*

By K.L. NARA, Date 5/12/04

Schreiber/Kissinger

7:02 pm

10/13/70

-2-

S: (cont) should do it.

K: I will probably come in on the late Monday -- midnight.

S: I will have a care to meet you.

K: I will let you know Will you make hotel reservations? I need a place for a S/S guy.

S: I will do you like to stay at the Century Plaza, Hilton, or Beverley Hills?

K: Beverley Hills.

S: A bungalo.

K: That will be nice. And one room for S/S man.

S: When are you leaving?

K: I will stay Tues. night.

S: What time do you want to do Tues. night? Dinner or餐 around on your own. I am discrete only when I put it in writing. Think about it. You may have something special.

K: When will you be back?

S: Tomorrow.

K: I will let you know on Thurs.

S: Fine. Just call. I can always get a party thrown in for your honor.

K: I have to go to the LATimes at some point to give them a briefing.

S: We have to give them a wax job -- the President has made that clear. I played golf with Franklin Murphy last week. I said I know how you adore everyone at the WH. You have to support Murphy. He said, I will not endorse either. I said listen -- if you talk about the great job the President does and you have the right to get on a great editorial and you would rather have him have the man of his choice. So it will help him get his views passed.

K: And organize the Senate.

S: He says they haven't thrown me out yet but we are talking.

By KHL NARA, Date 5/12/04

Schreiber/Kissinger

7:02 pm 10/13/70

K: I will give them a working over.

S: George was a client for many years and I feel our country is worth better quality but he is a Republican so what can I do. I begged him to let Finch run. For that I am not his friend but he accepts my campaign funds.

K: I am glad to help you.

S: You will all be a little older when you leave.

K: But we would not have missed it. I will get you the details.

By KHL NARA, Date 5/13/04

*

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Frank Stainton, CBS

10:29 p.m., October 12, 1970

S: I thought it was a beautiful job.

K: I thought it came out very well.

S: [I am going to send you a print.]

K: Aren't you nice, that is really very thoughtful of you.

S: ... did a great job.

K: Coming from you, one can appreciate that. It was done very fair and a very good job. How are you?

S: [I'm fine.]

K: Why don't you let me know when you are down here sometime we can have lunch.

S: Don't get on with the people from your shop.

K: Not people from my shop.

S: From the political side -- I know how busy you are but I'll let you know when I get down.

K: Do that, I take care of my friends.

*

By KHW NARA, Dale 5/12/04

TELCOM

N. Dickerson/Kissinger

10:40 pm

10/13/70

D: You are terrific. For a man, Mike did a great job.

K: You are catty. It's generous a thousand possible under these conditions.

D: They cut it perfectly by giving you that first line about x in your job anything you say will sound pompous. Too often it's left on the cutting room floor. Everything from there on in was terribly impressive. It's a first rate job.

K: Margaret Osmer did a great job putting it together.

D: I think it's good for you and the President. The secret business is fine but selectively this is helpful. There will be millions across the country who will want to know about that guy.

K: I hope some are pretty. How have you been?

D: Marvellous! Doing a lot of speaking and starting a syndicated news show. With a couple of people you know -- it's quiet. It's doing well and is the future of TV.

K: Good.

D: In the meantime I miss you.

K: Why don't we have lunch sometime. It's great for my image in addition to the fact that I would enjoy it.

D: Maybe when the President is gone.

K: When they are policitaal, I don't go.

D: I had dinner with Bayly Howard a couple of nights ago.

K: He was at one briefing.

D: He said it was off the record and then the President said they could take notes and a difference of opinion came up. No one was upset except the Chicago Tribune.

K: It was great for Bayly.

D: The President didn't mind getting out the word.

K: He got what he wanted. Nancy, you are sweet to call.

*

By KHC NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON

Julie Eisenhower/Mrs. Nixon
Mr. Kissinger

10:45 p.m., October 13, 1970

K: Hello Julie!

E: I thought it was excellent, really thought it was well done. I thought you were so articulate, you came across very well. The professor came across very poorly. You were so understanding of the way he felt and ...... It is unfortunate then the way he refused it beyond that point. Also the fact that he didn't listen to your further explanations. Mother said that teacher was a dropout. Thought it was great.

K: [Aren't you nice, thank you.]

E: I also like the scene, it was a small world, you know when they had the music.

K: Yes, the theme music is my favorite.

E: Tricia enjoyed it too. Really thought it was great. One thing, Dan Rather -- everyone knows he is a pro-Administration ....

K: Did he, I thought it was very good.

E: Mother wants to tell you.

Mrs. N: Congratulations! Oh boy, we are right here moving .. Dick just came up and we are telling him how good it was. Thought the newsman who covered you gave you a good send off, was very good.

K: Rather ....

Mrs. N: Anyway it was a big plus, we will have to get you on every night. We will send you out to Minnesota, Tricia is giving you her job.

K: Is that what she is doing? You are terribly nice.

Mrs. N: Hope your back is better. Dick was telling me.

*

By: KHL NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida

10:55 p.m., October 13, 1970

K: How are you?

Y: I am fine, all right thank you. I have just had a good talk with my friend and conveyed your message to him in full that I got from Haig last night.

K: Exactly.

Y: My friend asked me to express to you.... the role you are playing on this very difficult problem. It is his unchanged view to reach an acceptable position on this problem. Behind the scene on our side, he is quietly exercising every effort to get the Industry to accept the restrictions. There is hopeful chance of a change of attitude. These efforts will be strengthened daily until his departure and even after that this will continue. Since this is a problem of highly technical nature, there must be some discussion and basic agreement in advance.

K: Agree.

Y: But my friend will try to really ....

K: Yes, but he has to raise it, we won't.

Y: Yes, I made it quite clear to my friend. He will raise it. If in advance, __________ so efforts will continue until the last moment and it is his sincere hope that this long overdue problem on these points by that time will be resolved. In order to do so through ordinary channel there will be logical exchange of views. At the same time keep this line truly alive in between from now till the meeting of our two friends. From your side, is there anything that might be helpful to him for a judgment would you please let him know, if from his side there is anything that might be helpful I will let you know.

K: The only thing I ask you to remember is there must be agreement by November 10th or we are forced to go the legislative route. We will be getting the bill for signature by November 15th.

Y: November 15th.

K: Yes.

*

By KHLW NARA, Dalo 5/12/94

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida

10:55 p.m, October 13, 1970 -- page 2

Y: November 15 made quite clear to my friend and he is truly aware of that. It is his considered view that it is most unfortunate for both of us, both countries and particularly for us it is most undesirable. Solution through negotiations is far better.

K: This is our feeling. Far prefer this to legislation but must have decision by November 10th.

Y: We will be in touch with each of... From 18th next but I have made technical arrangement that ~~KKXX~~ KXXK I can reach him at almost any moment till the 24th of the week.

K: Meeting my friend the 24th.

Y: Right, my friend is genuinely serious. If there is anything that might be useful to convey to my friend directly, you will let me know.

K: Absolutely.

Y: I can be reached at almost any time. If anything from our side I will be in touch. My friend will be in your country. Would you please keep me informed so perhaps in the last moment I can talk to my friend. I put my own judgment, I built a very strong case to him and he listens to me. I am not in a position of yourself but I myself might be able to do something in the final stage.

K: You can be sure that I will keep you informed.

Y: I am not in your position on our side.

K: Many thanks, I enjoyed talking to you.

wgh

*

By KHL NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer

11:03 p.m., October 13, 1970

[synopsis]

K: You are terrible.

O: You are still talking to me!

K: It is pretty good, fair.

O: [Pretty good? ]

K: You are impossible, if I told you it was good you would wonder.

O: No I wouldn't, I want you to tell me. Be honest. Had you seen it when I talked to you last night?

K: How could I see it?

O: On closed circuit.

K: How could I get it on closed circuit?

O: __________, after I talked with you, __________ came in and said, he has seen it, he has seen it. Was it better or worse?

K: Don't know, I think better. Contrast between Shelling and me very well done. The interview dispersed through it was good. The scene in Disneyland was very sweet. The whole thing was done very well. The resignation thing at the end [you had an angle on that].

O: Cambodia, the Middle East -- I tell you I have a friend here. He said he believes a lot more in the Nixon Administration after seeing the show.

K: [Aren't you nice].

O: On tragedy, the problem was it didn't flow in the whole piece. To get it in at the end __________ it was a little essay.

K: I really thought you did it with great sensitivity.

O: Sat in the judicial seat, hope you are not disappointed. Think we caught some of your moods, pictures with the children, friends from Harvard, which pleased me.

K: Pleased that Dan Rather was so ......

*

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer

11:03 p.m., October 13, 1970 -- page 2

By KHW NARA, Date 5/13/04 mopsis]

O: Thought we could have gotten out of that.

K: Lisagor would have been good.

O: Wanted to use Bob Semple.

K: He would have been good but you had to use one of your people.

O: Yes, had to ask him off the record. You know who was bad or do I have to tell you -- your friend, Mr. Bundy.

K: Bundy was covering himself.

O: He didn't have to say anything specific -- terribly pleased you are a good appointment but after that it was up to Mr. Nixon. I told them if they ever wanted a portrait of Bundy done, I wasn't going to do it.

K: McNamara would have said exactly what he thought, Bundy says [things to protect himself].

O: If McNamara had not been leaving the country when I tried to get a hold of him -- at the time I didn't think we had enough time, if I had known, we could have used him.

K: Think all of this is immaterial, thought it was done with great sensitivity -- very well done.

O: Can't wait to come, now that I have done it, I really want to talk to you. When you are back and when you are not busy, call me and I will work it out. You are marvelous to call me, I didn't think you would.

K: I will see you when I get back.

wgh

*

By: KHL NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

Telecon
Marty Hillenbrand
10/14/70 ca. 8:30 a.m.

K: At the NSC today you should focus, if you agree, on the Berlin negotiations. He'll call on me for a general talk about the issues of Austpolitik and on Berlin and I'll make a very few observations. But it would be useful if you'd sum up where it stands.

H: Okay. You know Ken Rush is going to be there.

K: But I still think you should do this.

H: I'll still do it, but he may want to make a few observations from his experience.

K: Okay good.

H: Good. See you later.

*

By KHC NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCON
Amb. Rabin/Kissinger

11:25 a.m. 10/14/70

K: I called last night because within an hour of your leaving we had this approved. You should get word of that in the next rapid course now. There's no bureaucratic obstacle. If you have no more serious problems then bureaucratic procedures in the WH, you are in good shape.

R: I understand. Also that question of credits have been given from Defense to the WH.

K: That's approved also. You will get official word on that.

R: All right. That's good to hear. I hope the ______ is also very good.

K: I don't know what the procedure on that second idea will be. I think that has to go to Congress.

*

By KHLU NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCOM
Sisco/Kissinger

11:30 a.m. 10/14/70

S: ? ? ? ? ? you know I couldn't find *xxx* not even the scintilla of anything. Could been more sensitive because you were on the screen.

K: You lose perspective when you watch yourself.

S: The right man at the right job doing a professional job after you have been at it for two years and if that's what you get in a public program, you are in great shape. It was a huge plus. I am prejudice.

K: You have experience in these things.

S: I have 3 matters of business. I am going to the world series this afternoon. On the President's ____ for $5 million.

K: Approved.

S: Why don't you tell Defense to send something to Congress *xxx* even if they won't act on it. It's a starter.

K: Superb. That's approved. And the SAM package is approved. Will you start moving on that? I will call Packard.

S: And send us a memo that's approved and we will go.

K: You will have it.

S: There's a Presidential dinner on the 24th for the big wheels. The sister of the Shah wants in. We are hearing that the WH is not to make exceptions. I say they should.

K: Does she have official status?

S: No. Invite her as an invited guest.

K: May be I can take her as my date. Is she pretty?

S: I will have to check. I will also check her *xxx* sex life too. I shouldn't ask you without having all the details.

K: I will have it booked at again.

S: Also, there's apparently a recommendation from the department that Assist. Secys. be included.

*

By: KHC NARA, Date: 5/12/04

Sisco/Kissinger

11:30 a.m. 10/14/70

-2-

K: I am all for it. Why should I be bored alone?

S: Look at that but I understand someone thinks otherwise.

K: Can we have just one or two?

S: You have a situation where you have high level people from all regions and you will need them.

K: It's not my decision to make. I will pass it to Haldeman.

By: KHU NARA, Dale 5/12/04

TELCOM

Amb. Freeman/Kissinger

11:37 p. a.m. 10/14/70

F: I am sorry to bother you. Could I talk take 60 seconds of your time?
You have someone with you.

K: Always.

F: I mentioned the other day that I thought there was a personal misunderstanding about the dates of the visit. I checked with London and there has been. No much difference in the end.

K: I have never put the question to the President but in two conversations I heard him mention the end of Dec. as if it's a settled matter.

F: Heath has the impression also that it was the end of Nov., the beginning of December.

K: No. I will confirm that. I am pozitively practically certain that he meant the end of Dec. or the beginning of Jan.

F: I don't think he can do it then because he has the Commonwealth Conference in Singapore at the end of the first week in Jan. Unless I stop him, he will propose several dates to the President which would be at the end of Nov. or the first of Dec.

K: Let me find out how eager the President is to have it in Calif. If he is, let's find out whether he will be out there for Thanksgiving. We will act on the basis you described. When the Foreign Secy. was here we talked on an informal basis on the things and now this has turned into a formal consultation which was not what we had in mind. The President thought more along the informal which you and I sometimes have. We will do a formal one, but it will be less frank.

F: I understand. I have been anxious about this. What I think our present view is that at some convenient time ______ who is now the Under Secy. and Bendall who deals with these matters and who knows the situation here should come along and have a talk and be informal as you like.

K: That's the best way. While he is here he can say who he wishes. Avoid getting agreement, position papers, records kept, etc.

F: I must speak, subject to instruction, but my view is the same as yours. The formal consultations are held at NATO.

K: Denis used to just come in and I would get whoever was on my staff.

By KHLN NARA, Dale 5/12/04

TELCOM

John Carroll/Kissinger

11:56 a.m.

10/14/70

C: What did you think of the TV show?

K: You are never a good judge of yourself. I thought it was favorable.

C: That's what I thought. I read that backgrounder text of Hartford and you and Mr. Sisco kept referring to the Palestinians and what they want.

K: Did I?

C: I am not sure. Sisco did 4 or 5 times. In the wake of Nasser's death is the Administration re-thinking it's approach to the M. E.? Is it possible that a conclusion will be reached that the Palestinians are the only people to make peace?

K: Talking for background?

C: Right.

K: We are re-thinking our approach of course but I cannot say that this is the conclusion we will reach.

C: Do you think Would this be a prominent line of thinking?

K: It's a line we are thinking.

C: Is Arafat considered the most promising of Palestine's leaders?

K: I don't want to go into it.

C: A fellow from the Star told me that Tito talked about this with the President and the President asked who we could talk to now that Nasser was gone and Tito said, Arafat.

K: He mentioned the Palestinians but not in that way!

C: I am looking for guidance on how hard I should press it.

K: It's a development but it's not the key theme of our policy. Not the replacement of other strands.

C: What are they?

K: What we have been doing.

*

By KHC NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCON
Amb. Lucet/Kissinger
12:00 noon 10/14/70

L: I wanted to ask you something. Mr. Schumann is coming to NY for the anniversary of UN on Mon. next week. He will spend a week in NY. Do you think the President would receive him? I know Mr. Nixon is to give a dinner for the Chiefs of State but he is only foreign Minister.

K: No chance at dinner.

L: Of course. No possibility for a serious conversation at that.

K: He doesn't usually receive Foreign Ministers and he is out on political trips. I will find out.

L: If it's possible you will let me know?

K: I will let you know either way.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority F-12367
By CHARA Date 6/10/70

TELCON

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p. m.

10/14/70

D: I miss you here at the UN today.

K: You do?

D: Of course. Just to continue talk with you the other day. On the big question, he is prepared to discuss the question we discussed together -- summit.

K: Al right.

D: Those questions that are unanswered he is prepared to discuss.

K: Are you in a position to give me a hint ahead of time?

D: He will like to do that but it's positive. About a date. I imagine about the 23rd.

K: Yes but the President will speak only in the afternoon.

D: He wanted to listen otherwise it will be difficult for him to come back to Washington.

K: Does he dislike only American planes or all planes?

D: In general. He prefers a car.

K: We have one bond. I wanted to talk about this.

D: How about the 20 or 21st?

K: That's not convenient.

D: He is available on those dates.

K: When is he leaving the U.S.?

D: The 25. Or 26. In the morning.

K: Two other things we could do. We could meet in NY after the President's speech in the Waldorf. That would make it possible around 5:30. Would he prefer Washington?

D: I will check.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Folsom
By CNRA Date 6/26/67

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p.m.

10/14/70

-2-

*

K: Sat. morning he wants to be at sessions?

D: Yes. I will check with him.

K: How about Monday morning?

D: He is leaving on Monday. They have an agreement with the British Govt and the exact dates he must be there. It was announced today.

K: Sat. is a problem if he doesn't like to fly.

D: The dinner is at 8:00.

K: Let me work it out. The 22nd he is speaking?

D: Yes. In the morning.

K: So he could come --

D: Hold on a minute. Will 22nd in the evening then?

K: Yes.

D: This is my old suggestion.

K: About 5:00.

D: May be that could be arranged.

K: Let's aim for that.

D: I will check with him and call you. When?

K: Anytime. I will check with the President and then we will get --

D: Either here at the Waldorf on the 23rd or the 22nd at 5:00 there.

K: Will I see you at the meeting?

D: I don't know if he will let me go. I hope so.

K: Some advantages to having a sense of the agenda.

D: I will check with him. He prefers to have me with him.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E012582
By CHARA Date El01

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p.m.

10/14/70

K: You can come for an afternoon or evening.

D: I will call you at 1:00.

K: I may not be able to get to the President by 1:00.

D: 3:00 or 3:00.

K: At 3:00.

D: I will call at 3:00.

(HAK went to see the President at 12:35. About 12:45 or 1:00 Dobrynin called and talked to Haig. Dobrynin said anytime on the 22nd, the earlier the better.)

Further Conversation: 1:40 p.m.

D: I am giving a luncheon.

K: At TIME, did you say?

D: No, here in the mission.

K: Oh, I was afraid you were undermining our ? ? ? . 11:00 on the 22nd is best for us. You said anytime on the 22nd is OK.

D: That's right. I think it will be all right. Could I check it while you wait?

K: The other thing is on the big subject you said he would raise, we would prefer your not discussing it prior to meetings you will have.

D: You mentioned that before. You said you wouldn't either.

K: If it's raised it will be raised in ignorance of the general conversation.

D: This meeting will be between them too (or two ?)?

K: Your boss can raise it with the President. Don't discuss it before that.

D: I will mention to him privately on that matter.

K: The second point is about that other business I discussed the other day. One word from you that it's in general will be helpful.

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p.m.

10/14/70

-4-

D: I have not discussed it with him. I mentioned to him already, not orally. I don't know. My feeling was that it's an unbalanced situation. I would like to check with this --

K: If you and I could have a brief word this weekend --

D: There's a big lunch here. I will call you later. Maybe tomorrow morning. Just hold on for a second. (He goes off for about 3 or 4 minutes). 11:00.

K: All right. On our side we will have the President, the Secy. of State and myself. On your side, (Gromyko) and yourself.

D: The Minister, myself, and an interpreter.

K: On our side there will be 3 of us.

D: I will call you on the other matter tomorrow.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E01258

By CNAR Date 01/14/70

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By: KML NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

TELCONE

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p.m.

10/14/70

K: You do?

K: Al right.

D: How about the 20 or 21st?

K: That's not convenient.

D: I will check.

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By: KHL NARA, Dale: 5/12/04

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p.m.

10/14/70

-2-

K: How about Monday morning?

D: The dinner is at 8:00.

D: Yes. In the morning.

K: So he could come --

K: Yes.

D: This is my old suggestion.

K: About 5:00.

K: Let's aim for that.

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By: KHL NARA, Date: 5/12/04

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p.m.

10/14/70

-3-

D: I will call you at 1:00.

D: 3:00 or 3:00.

K: At 3:00.

D: I will call at 3:00.

D: I am giving a luncheon.

K: At TIME, did you say?

D: No, here in the mission.

By: KML NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:17 p.m. 10/14/70

-4-

By: KL NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Telecon

Cong. John Blatnik (Minnesota)

10/14/70 12:25 p.m.

B: I know it's short notice, but I wanted to touch base and get your reactions from Yugoslavia and tell you what I got from the other side. I am leaving Friday for the campaign recess. I think we gained some ground. I wonder if it would be possible for me to see you.

K: Let me get my assistant to talk to you.

B: I talked to Mr. Downey. Did you see ______ Nikositch (?) while you were there?

K: I don't think so.

B: Your office will call me this afternoon?

K: Yes.