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Minister Dimitriou (Cyprus)

8/1/74 9:15 a.m.

D: Hello, Dr. Kissinger!

K: How are you.

D: This is the foreign minister Dimitriou.

D: How are you, sir? I am calling you because a few minutes ago, a man entered my hotel from CBS--and American newsman and AP people have just come up from the north from the battlefields and saw tanks there and bombing continuously 3 villages. And the people have left these villages --there are people there and they're being killed.

K: All right, I will look into it.

D: The correspondents are quite desperate--I have contacted various embassies and everything and we really feel that you probably are the only person who can put a stop to this--especially after the peace signature at Geneva --we wish that this could be stopped!

K: All right, I will do my best. I will look into it.

D: I am sorry to be bothering you

K: I will look into it immediately and we will do what we can.

D: Thank you very much. We really have our hopes in your hands.

K: Thank you for calling me--

D: Bye.

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Secretary Kissinger

Frank Mankiewicz

8/1/74 9:20 a.m.

K: Hello

M: Hi, Henry.

K: Frank how are you?

M: Well all right.

K: I was really distressed to hear about your sister. It is unbelievable

M: There is no way to fit that in to any -- three kids, you know.

K: No, no it is the senselessness of it.

M: Into any system or values.
You've been busy.

K: It is a hell of a period.

M: We both were involved in the heads of state with beards.

K: I'm very eager to see you. I think I proposed a lunch next week.

M: Next week is going to be tough because I wanted to get away Saturday-- there is no chance in the next two days, huh?

K: Let me see.

M: We were going to go away for a month. I want to go away with her husband and the kids--I was going to leave Saturday.

K: Let me get back to you--

M: All right, I'll be at this number

K: I'll find the time--I'll find the time

M: Will you

K: Good.

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Secretary Kissinger

9:23 a.m. 8/1/74

K: Mr. Chairman, how are you!

P: Fine. Stop calling me Mr. Chairman, will you please start calling me John.

K: Good.

P: All right.

K: I'll be much happier--only if you call me by my first name.

P: All right, I'll do that Henry. Look I've got a letter from the Providence Chamber of Commerce from its President. I know this is an unusual thing but it is a hell of a --- affair. Now I don't know what your policy is, but I've got to get in touch with these people--they are asking me that because of my relationship with you if you would be willing to address their annual meeting in October of this year--on the 10th or date in October that you would designate. Now I don't know what your policy is--

K: My policy is--I've got two contradictory policies--one is not to accept such invitations and the other to do almost anything within reason that you ask me to do. Can you send that letter over to me and I'll try my damnest to see whether I can do it.

P: All right.

K: Does it have to be a very formal speech?

P: Oh no, no no. Not at all. I mean these really--the business and industrial and leaders of the community--it is a very, very fine group, bankers and the industrialists and ~~all the rest~~ of the manufacturers, it is a high-class group and I have had occasion to address them from time to time--even when I was governor. And naturally of course if you decided to go, I would be privileged to introduce you and--

K: I'd be very pleased--

P: So why don't I --

K: And you send it over or have a messenger bring it over and I'll do my damnest to make it possible.

P: All right, thank you.

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August 1, 1974

5:02 pm

...missed first part of conversation

K: and dealing as we should. You remember that complaint by Fahmy that we don't keep Sadat informed. I think Fahmy...

A: No sir. We have a message to Fahmy which

K: We've got to do this fast and aggressively.

A: Faisal...we have a message which you approved and we sent it to the White House for clearance.

K: When I approve it, it's approved. Who would clear it in the White House except me?

A: My understanding is, it was over there for you to see.

K: I approved that over a week ago.

A: Ok, let me call Brent and see.

K: In the present position of the White House, we won't get anything approved and ...besides, Fahmy is in Egypt now.

A: I'm sure we can pass it.

K: That will make the Egyptians wonder what we are doing.

A: It shouldn't go before we have got the Faisal one out and...I'll find out why that hasn't gone to you yet.

K: My concern is, if we handle these things badly we are just going to... if we don't get a handle on this bureaucracy we will get behind the power curve.

A: It has been sometime, I agree.

K: Excatly, we just cannot have this. You must push them.

A: Ok, I'll start pushing right now.

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Mr. Ingersoll/Secretary Kissinger

August 1, 1974

5:15 PM

K: Bob, were you at the meeting between Simon and the other people?

I: Yes, I just came back.

K: Did he burden them to 100% (participation)?

I: I told them what you that they not rush into anything. They would like to have a meeting with you and Simon next week. We're checking on your schedule to see if it's possible.

K: I just don't trust his assessment of the situation.

I: They didn't agree with them either. Yamani told them something different from out he told them.

K: I don't see that the Saudis should run a risk to get oil prices down.

I: We'll try to get a meeting on Tuesday with all of them. We're checking your schedule.

K: Just because there's a vacancy on my schedule doesn't mean you can just put something in. You better check with me first.

I: OK.

K: How are you doing with MacGregor?

I: He's coming to see me in the morning.

K: Was he leaning towards ?

I: Yes. He was leaning towards it.

K: OK. Thank you.

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August 1, 1974

5:35 PM

K: When you talk to Marilyn, I don't want a general ~~Weasel~~ that the Secretary spends as much time as the White House as possible. Just tell her exactly what I did over α there.

A: But, I didn't.....

K: Just tell her exactly what I did over there. I saw some members of the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board this morning. Then I had members of the verification panel. We must get into the habit of giving straight answers.

A: That's what I'm not sure about. Can I tell them about the verification panel?

K: I am herewith telling you to say that. What have you told her?

A: I told her that you were over at the White House for an NSC-type meeting. I didn't tell her what kind of meeting.

K: That's the kind of statement that gets you in trouble. Tell her in the morning I had one small group from the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and α in the afternoon a verification panel. And that I normally spend two or three hours there in the morning.

A: Right, sir.

K: Good.

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August 1, 1974

6:30 PM

K: How are you?

J: Fine. How are you?

K: I'm OK.

J: You sound as tired as I am.

K: No, I'm fine.

J: I called you because Eberle was up her for breakfast with some other Senators and said the question of whether the administration should encourage the Committee to go ahead with the Trade Bill was very much up for discussion. Of course, I expressed my feeling that the Trade Bill is so important it should be signed into law. I thought the Trade Bill was important because of the present condition of the world.

K: I doubt that the President would agree to that.

J: You don't think unless this matter is settled?

K: This is my view.

J: The other feeling I expressed whatever tin plate is worked out on the Export Import Bank, might be a way of dealing with the situation and dealing with more than half the power.

K: I agree.

J: In negotiating the banking (Stennis) was in the meeting.

K: I understand you're being difficult.

J: Me? Who told you that?

K: I heard from reports.

J: I don't think those reports are accurate.

K: Eberle mentioned it to me this morning.

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J: Why am I difficult?

K: That you and (Stennis) worked up an address but I haven't seen it.

J: Neither have I.

K: I don't guess you can see the extend of my concern, I didn't even call you about it.

J: I'll have a look at it now, and see what can be done.

K: Is Marian coming down?

J: She is down.

K: What are you doing Saturday night?

J: We can do whatever you want to do.

K: Would you like to go to the theater?

J: To see what, I'm already planning to see (Two for a Seesaw).

K: The thing, Desire under the Elm.

J: That would be great. Should I get tickets?

K: No. I have the Presidential box.

J: That sounds good.

K: Are you for that?

J: Sure.

K: OK. Let's aim for that.

J: One other thing. Have someone in your office Arthur R. to go to the UNESCO meeting.

K: He's a Foreign Service officer?

J: No. I'm a man with a very good record.

K: I'll look into it immediately.

J: OK. I'll see you Saturday.

K: Let's confirm it up tomorrow.

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Sonnenfeldt/The Secretary

August 2, 1974

12:00 a.m.

K: Is that detente thing still being revised?

S: We are putting it together right now. We have a new draft.

K: Then there is no sense to work on the old one.

S: No, don't. We have to revise it and we are physically putting it together right now.

K: Where do we stand with Jackson?

S: I am meeting with Fosdick and Pearl tomorrow at 9:30.

K: Do they understand we are at the limit of what we can do?

S: I have tried to make that clear to Scoop. As far as it... it is as far as we can go.

K: What is their mood?

S: Well, yesterday it was that we need more assurances.

K: Well, will you make sure that Len Garment has a copy of both versions of the letter today and get them to the Jewish leaders.

S: Of both letters.

K: Yes.

S: Scoop has ruled that out.

K: ...if I confirm that, that is what we would agree to..

S: I have not told them that you would be prepared to confirm. I can do that in the morning...

K: Why don't you. I think it is better for them.

S: We could use a letter and that gives a little more. I'll try to do something.

K: Ok.

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General Haig/ The Secretary

August 3, 1974

9:55 a.m.

K: Al, I have a substantive problem if you can focus your mind on it. It has to do with Arms for Israel. There is a huge shopping list here. I would like Allon to go back with just enough so he got something but not enough to make any difference. I talked to Schlesinger. We could give him 200 tanks, Redeyes and Cobras and that would leave the whole huge shopping list in abeyance. Can I do that without asking the President?

H: What is your timing, Henry?

K: Monday morning. Explain to him this is the absolute minimum of their package.

H: Let me do it first and see if he can focus on a report from you.

K: This is about 1/100's of their list. This is not anything that will make any difference in the military balance.

H: Well, the Redeyes will cause some stir probably when it gets out only because of the character of the weapon.

K: Well, the cobra will cause more stir because they will use that against the terrorists.

H: We have to keep this damn thing together.

K: They have seven items listed which we are got giving them. Then they have... it is a list of 20 pages of things that they want that they are not getting, except the tanks.

H. Right. OK. I think that's very durable. Let me run it by him. I think we can do it very quickly. If not, I will come back to you and you can tell him.

K: OK Thanks very much.

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Mr. Atherton/ The Secretary

August 3, 1974

10:21 a.m.

K: Hello.

A: Good morning, Mr. Secretary.

K: Roy, we have to do a message to Sadat telling him about the Allon
talks. That it was tough going but that it will turn out OK.

A: We sent one up for your consideration to Fahmy. Have you seen it?

K: I haven't seen it. Let's send one to Sadat.

A: I'll pull it back and do another one. What about one to Asad?

K: OK do a little hand holding. Make it brief. One paragraph.

A: OK I'll do one and send it up.

K: Good.

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August 2, 1974

10:40 a.m.

S: Are you going to talk to the President today?

K: Has he asked for me?

S: No, but I thought maybe about the Israeli thing.

K: I think we can move on that. You tell Dinitz, no let me
call Dinitz. Did you talk to the Vice President? You gave him
some feel for our strategy?--

S: I did and I and I pointed out the emotionality of the issue.

K: Did you tell him from our point of view it is a great
success?

S: Yes.

K: In terms of tactics this is one of the best things we
have done.

S: Right, and I said everyone of them has...and it couldn't
have gone any better. We spent most of our time on that.

K: Good, because it is important for him to learn the
complexity of it.

S: Yes, and he hadn't seen it in that light before.

K: That is why I didn't like the briefing yesterday.

S: No, I just was trying to give a principle...

K: O.k.

S: I'll see you at lunch.

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Yuri Vorontsov/The Secretary

August 2, 1974

10:41 a.m.

V: I am sorry to bother you but I got a reminder from Moscow.

K: No, I wanted to talk to you. Our view is this. In this
particular proposal you made, it isn't consistent with ours.
It goes beyond it. What we would prefer is to begin talks
with you first and based on the result of these talks we
would then join in at the UN but we question if it is desirable
to do it through the UN when we are having bilateral talks.

V: We would have 2 months before the General Assembly.

K: Anatoyl and I agreed to, that is the first definition of
the topic is not in the language we had in Moscow. It is
your language.

V: Yes, not quite. It is broader. So you would prefer to
do it the way it was in the Communique and you don't wish
to join us on this move. I understand from a telegram that
we got that we are to do it anyway alone on the broader basis.

K: While I have you on the phone, there are a number of things
I want to talk with you about. First, we are making progress
on the Jackson Amendment and we are doing it through a letter.
It is my interpretation of a conversation I had with Gromyko--
of course we won't mention Gromyko's name. I may show it to you
next week. Maybe you and I could have a review of the situation
next week.

V: On what?

K: I may have Sonnenfeldt tell you what we are doing that
involves Moscow/US relations. We are working on SALT and
other areas.

V: On the Middle East, are you making progress? You are talking now.

K: We have talked to the Israelis. We are making a little
progress but not much. We will keep you informed.

V: I know Gromyko is interested.

K: You should let Gromyko know that no matter what happens,
our commitment to this course is firm.

V: He can count on that?

K: Yes, thank you for calling.

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The President/ The Secretary

August 3, 1974

11:15 a.m.

K: Hello, Mr. President.

P: Oh, Henry, I just talked to Al about that M-48 package. If it is your judgment we should go forward, but I thought you should know I think we should keep a tight string on them but if you think this is right, OK.

K: It is about 1/100's of their total request. It is just enough to keep them from blowing up publicly.

P: 100%? you mean ....

K: No sir, what I mean is they have come in with a huge package, not just airplanes but everything. I think we should give them a little because they have been completely attentive. Not everything but just a little.

P: OK, just say I made that decision.

K: All right, thank you Mr. President.

P: OK, old boy.

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Carlyle Maw/Secretary Kissinger

August 2, 1974

5:55 PM

K: Did we ever get the answers to the questions to the Committee?

M: No. They're making up another set

K: They will not vote until they get the answers.

M: The next set they'll make up for Al. I'm holding your answers until we get his testimony which we're getting today because several of the questions are ____.

K: They are also giving written questions to Al?

M: Yes. They will give them to him tonight.

K: When are they going to vote?

M: As soon as they get the answers to his questions and yours. They're working down near the end. Oh, they will be down tonight and Al's are in the works. They will at least finish his questions today and he'll have them tomorrow or Monday.

K: There's no problem in his testimony, is there?

M: Not really. Just a little clearing up, just a few things.

K: No, there's no conflict between his and mine.

M: I don't think so. Several people are reading over it now. Some of the questions really just call for answers of what his position was and what he did. That's where we stand.

K: You think the case is pretty well over?

M: I do. It's just a matter of finishing up the details. They haven't made up the draft report yet.

K: Do you think it will be favorable?

M: Oh yes, no doubt.

K: The evidence seems to support my original testimony.

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M: You haven't seen your testimony, have you?

K: No.

M: That's the only testimony that will be done here, the next we have to do
up there.

K: We can't edit it, can we?

M: We'll do some. Just in substance a few little things they will agree to cut
back on. I think it's all under control.

K: OK. Thank you Carl.

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Mr. Hartman/ The Secretary

August 3, 1974

9:35 a.m.

H: Yes Sir, I was coming in a little later.

K: I'll see you then.

H: OK

K: I just wanted to see you briefly. You are going off later this afternoon?

H: Yes.

K: About these messages to Callaghan, Ecevit and Caramanlis.

H: We have letters that are in preparation.

K: I basically have an objection to Circular telegrams. If you inform the Greeks and Turks you are coming in a Circular telegram, I believe that is a poor way to do it.

H: Yes, but that is for our Embassies to inform them.

K: Don't you think it should be done on a more personal basis? Well, I can't change the Department in six months.

H: Well, it is mainly for our Embassies.

K: The mechanics of getting an appointment are the least of it. If I were the Greeks and Turks and received a message like that, I would ask what the hell he wants. You have now down-played it to where you will not achieve anything. We want to be able to say you are going there to exchange views with the countries. This is important, especially when our public line is our real link to informing others of our views.

H: Do you want me to change the cables?

K: Well, at least the ones to Athens, Ankara and Nicosia. They need more.

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H: Well, I'm just going out there to tell them our position and
bring direct word from you.

K: From my point of view that is not why you are going out there. It
is to get a network of relations with these people. To get an analyses
and define the limits of each of them; to get our analyses in tune showing
compassion ahead of time.

H: I just hesitated in one place having him carry any message in
advance.

K: That I understand. Why not say we are coming because we place
great stress and as you are so closely related to my views you are
coming to give themessage to them. Even Tasca can deliver that. To
Callaghan on a very personal basis say we have some problem getting
the best report out of Athens.

H: I thought we had that in the Callaghan message. That was the main
purpose in the Callaghan message.

K: (Read sentence of message.) We better explain further what we mean.
Why that is so.

H: OK. I will be in a little later

K: Good.

H: Thank you.

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Ambassador Dinitz/ The Secretary

11:18AM August 3, 1974

D: Good morning Mr. Secretary.

K: We have had a very tough note from the Russians about your buzzing their ships that are engaged in minesweeping. They said two Phantoms took runs at them yesterday simulating attack runs. That if this doesn't stop they will take military action to protect themselves. That they expect the United States to take appropriate action. I told them that the last sentence was totally unacceptable. They didn't need to say expect... We would not stand for unilateral Soviet military action in the area, but I do not think this is the time to get into a confrontation.

D: Did you get the message I x passed to you last night?

K: Yes.

D: That was what I expected they might plan.

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K: The first is what are the facts? Second, is what we do. First, would you get me an unsigned note in response to our representations on just what you have just told me. Then we can ask them to exercise restraint. Would you tell them to be careful. The Soviets are looking for some opportunity to show how tough they are. I have seen this in the last two weeks. Why take the President on inflation? They are, therefore, looking for an opportunity for an ostentatious exercise with us. Please keep this in mind. I want from you a one page statement of your views of what happened. You say in reply I have brought to your attention their note.

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D: (A) that we are buzzing the ships or their helicopters...

K: Both. I want the facts as you had already prior to the complaint pointed them out to me. Secondly, I would like you to urge on your cabinet in the next several weeks not to give them provocation. Normally I would say if the Soviets threaten, one should act brutally.

D: When they are crossing into our waters and taking photographs with their helicopters, shouldn't we send up planes?

K: If they send in helicopters I would not take runs on their ships. Send me a note and say if it happens again we will send planes. Then you will have some cover.... Simcha I am telling you to let them go. Once without sending planes and send us a note saying we will have no choice but to send up planes if they do it again. I do not want speculation on whether we are staging a Middle East crisis in order to cover up impeachment inquiries. Peres announcing it is a provocation. Tell Peres for God's sake to keep quiet. What you should do is to send us a note, let them do it once without reacting, send a note in response to the Soviet provocation, that Soviet ships crossed into your waters and if it doesn't stop you have no alternative but to send planes. I then have a record of your complaint which I can send to the Soviets and put them on notice.

D: I will get to work on it right away. Should I have to give them this note to Scowcroft?

K: I don't want it before tomorrow. I don't want to seem too eager. An unsigned note on a plain piece of paper.

D: A note from the Government of Israel to the Government of the United States.

K: It should be an unsigned typewritten note with no letterhead.

D: It should be in the wording of a formal note?

K: Not formal and not letterhead and not signed.

D: There are various ways of doing it that is why I said a blank piece of paper.

K: Good, we will send you to diplomatic school.

D: Everything I know I had to learn.

K: You are doing fine. Thank you Simcha. END.

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August 3, 1974

1:35 P.M.

K: I have no illusions about the Newhouse thing. But I don't think Newhouse can do anything more than he has done. He has written it in his normal style.

S: I am concerned about the fact that it is a comment on the international scene. Clearly has problems of substance.

K: Right, what...

S: I think it is diffused. I think it shows an attitude that reflects an intellectual approach to these problems that isn't ours.

K: I would be more than delighted if you would use this as an
a basis and turn it into something we can use. That's what I was
planning to do with it.

S: It is a question of priorities and I had to get it in some shape...

K: Unless I tell Win what to say, he can't say it.

K

S: We really thought we were doing something yesterday that was a ...

K: I called for a national debate and then I come up with a superficial statement. It just doesn't have any high level.

S: I hope we will correct that in this draft.

K: Keep in mind I may ask XIX Hal to rewrite.

S: I am just finishing up with Richard, Pearl and Dickey.

K: How are they doing.

S: I explained that...letters are a limit of what the traffic will bear.

K: The major problem isn't what the letter w says but what happens afterward. If they want to conduct this like a ...

S: To cover what we have been talking about. I have made the point very strongly that the legislation does ... and then you have the guillotine that comes down.

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General Scowcroft/ The Secretary

August 3, 1974

1:40 PM

K: The President has approved this thing.

S: Okay.

K: Although I am not quite sure he knew what he was approving.
He called me.

S: Did he?

K: Yes.

S: Good

K: The only outcome is what I told him. Is Haig around?

S: Do you want me to have him call you? He wasn't there a few
minutes ago.

K: No. I guess I will call the Israelis tomorrow. Don't tell anything to the French yet. I will call the Israelis and you will get the French and inform them. That way Schlesinger can be happy.
You can call them tomorrow.

S: Call Defense tomorrow.

K: Is Zeigler around these days?

S: He went by the window a few minutes ago.

K: Okay. Thank you.

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Scotty Reston

8/5/74; 10:50 a.m.

K: Scotty, how are you?

R: How are you?

K: Okay.

R: Say, I am going over to interview Giscard and Schmidt tomorrow afternoon or tomorrow evening. Have you got any time or any thoughts about what would be useful in a conversation with them in their present moods?

K: You want to do it on the telephone or do you want . . .

R: Well, whatever you say or whatever is convenient to you. I will come to you when you are ready, if you are available any time.

K: Let me give it a little thought and can I call you before noon?

R: Sure. I will be right at the TIMES.

K: I think it is a good time to interview them.

R: I do, too. Also, it is a good time to get out of this time.

K: I tell you, I share that feeling.

R: I don't wonder.

K: Somebody walks out -- this is off the record -- somebody -- Len Garment came up to me in the hall -- in the corridor of the White House today and said if I could send him a on a diplomatic mission he would be a friend for life.

R: (Laughter) I don't blame him. There are probably a lot of other takers, too.

K: I'll talk to you.

R: Okay. Bye.

K: Bye.

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August 5, 1974

12:22 PM

K: I want to make sure that you really all drop everything today and work on the statement, because when you work seriously you do a good job. Is that going to happen?

L: Yes.

K: Do you think my children could come to that dinner tonight, or would the Chinese think we are not taking them seriously?

L: Let me call them. They just called and asked if their Secret Service could come.

K: In that case, we would have 3 children. Nancy's niece, who is about the same age as Elizabeth, is also here.

L: Let me call over there and fine out.

K: If you ask them, they'll say yes.

L: Yes.

K: Do you wanted to ask Hummel?

L: OK. I'll get his judgment on that.

K: Why was it we didn't have Congressman? That was stupid.

L: We suggested it and they came back and said, since they were having Fulbright and other at different functions the same week they didn't want them twice in the same week unless they were strong personal friends.

K: OK. Thank you.

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Secretary Shhlesinger/Secretary Kissinger

August 5, 1974

1:05 PM

S: ________ Israelis.

K: I got the general approval of the President. What I understood was, Waldheim had some concern about the number ________. The fewer the better on k a p foreign policy aspect.

S: We can give them 200 ~~than~~ tanks. They wanted 2,000, but they will be happy with 200. We'll give them 200 ~~tanks~~ the cobra.

K: They asked for 24 ________. The President, frankly, I didn't get his approval on a certain number. I would prefer you're giving 12 to 24.

S: Allon said to me, give us 10, give us 20, but give us some. We can give them 6 or 8 and they would just be delighted.

K: I would do that.

S: The cobra situation is a little hairy. I think it would be bad news x from the Israeli standpoint. I might try to give them some advance tanks. We never offered them the advance ________ before and ~~kaboom~~ then we can fall back on the cobra.

K: Have you talked to them?

S: No, I thought I would check with you first.

K: Tell them we're ~~ax~~ together on this.

S: We're going to do another inventory on the tank situation. About a half of then lack periscopes. No one ever wanted these but the ________.

K: I think no one will question that.

S: It comes down to the question of who pays for the periscopes.

K: Sadat thinks our tanks are not much good.

S: He's got an interesting point.

K: He claims they burn too easily.

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August 5, 1974

3:22 PM

K: Hello, Mr. Vice President. How are you?

F: I'm fine, how are you?

K: I'm getting along.

F: I guess we all are.

K: You're in a very difficult position and doing it with great nobility. Mr. Vice President, I was wondering, I thought that meeting with those congressmen went rather well.

F: I thought it was great. I saw half of them and they thought it was <u>terrible</u>.

K: Anytime you want to arrange a meeting with <u>Jack Marsh</u> a group like this, just go ahead and do it.

F: I'll have Jack Marsh check with Lynwood for a time that is open on your schedule.

K: I thought it was a very good group.

F: They are and all they wanted was an opportunity to hear it first hand.

K: I think they are entitled to have a sense that the government knows what it's doing and give them a chance to ask questions.

F: They used to give us trouble -- trouble stemming from non-information and I'm confident they will be on their side.

K: I'll be very pleased to do it.

F: Maybe we can do it every couple of weeks or so.

K: Excellent.

F: I'll have Jack Marsh get in touch with Lynwood.

K: Maybe we can schedule it for a day that you will be in town. OK. Give me a list of who you think should be invited.

F: OK.

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Mr. Maw/Secretary Kissinger

August 6, 1974

4:00 PM

K: I understand the Committee has voted on this thing.

M: And they have written a report.

K: But apparently what they are saying is that if they had known then what they know now they would still have voted to confirm me. But that isn't good enough. That says he didn't need to perjure himself.

M: Where did you get this from? I haven't seen the text.

K: I haven't either, but that is what Pat Holt and a number of others said to the press.

M: This is in line with what the opening statement was....let me find out what it is because they are premature in initialing it. I'll have to get a hold of Phil Trimble who is up there now and find out what the text is.

K: They don't have to say the actions were moral.

M: Yes, but they have to say a little more...but this thing about....when they called the hearings they announced that would be the issue. Let me get what they did say.

K: No, the issue is whether I lied to them.

M: And they are saying you didn't.

K: No, if this is all they said, it is consistent with he didn't need to lie because we would have confirmed him anyway, right?

M: Is I see. Let me get the text.

K: Right.

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August 5, 1974

5:00 PM

K: What did you do with Pincus?

M: I spoke to him about a month ago and told him.

K: What's his solution?

M: That first, he won't be publishing anything for at least 2 weeks, secondly, he doesn't attribute anything to you, third, he thinks those two things together will meet your concerns. I think there's no real problem.

K: Is he a trustworthy man?

M: To the best of my knowledge. I never worked with him on any scale.

K: I like his writing.

M: Yes, he's first rate. And he's really a well qualified man in the field. I never knew him to be ______ something that I simply couldn't handle.

K: He'll lead the talking?

M: Yes. He asked to see you, he has to lead it. He understand you found time for him and only because I urged him.

K: Good. Thank you.

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Mr. Ziegler/The Secretary

August 5, 1974

6:02 P.M.

K: Hello.

Z: Hi. Well, you got back on the 23rd. I remember thinking about this. You left China on the 23rd but you would have gotten back here the 23rd our time.

K: That's the problem.

Z: Rogers wanted to have a picture taken with you. The President didn't want him in the meeting. Rogers was saying, better let me come to have a picture taken.

K: That makes it all the worse. It just makes Rogers look all the worse.

Z: It's just a little black humor in a period where there is no humor. You were in China on the 22nd and also on the 23rd.

K: It's clear what happened now. I remember very well.

Z: He had a picture. You cut out and gave the President the full report. I can always be a private detective, if not a press secretary. Do you have the transcripts yet?

K: No.

Z: Well, they should be on their way.

K: Ok.

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Cong. Wayne Hays/Kissinger

8/6/74 - 9:46 a.m.

K: Hello.

H: Hi, how are you?

K: O.K., Mr. Chairman, how are you?

H: Don't give me that Mr.....

K: Hi, Wayne, I just thought I'd flatter you a little bit.

H: Flattery will get you nowhere with me.

K: I've noticed that. I don't know, though, what will get me somewhere with you.

H: Well, you do alright with me. No Secretary has ever done as well in 26 years.

K: Look, I think it's one of the best relationships I've got here.

H: Listen, what I'm calling you about is, you know we're having this plenary session of this North Atlantic Assembly in London.

K: Yeah.

H: And they have the Prime Minister, if he's still alive, of Great Britain, and they would like two other speakers and one of the ones that they're very hot on having is you, and the other one they think they're going to get is the Prime Minister of Turkey.

K: Well, actually he's an excellent man. When is it?

H: Well, the Plenary opens on the 14th of November and, let me get my calendar open here. I think that's on a Thursday.

K: And is that when they want me?

H: Well, you know, for you they would set it up any day. The Plenary sessions do open on the 14, 15, and 16. We have Committee meetings on the 11, 12 and 13.

K: Is that supposed to be an evening affair?

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H: Well, it could be....

K: No, no, you just tell me, when is it?

H: Well, the Plenary, I don't have the exact schedule here. I just have it marked on my calendar, but the Plenary opens in the morning normally, you know, like 10:00.

K: You don't really gain anything by flying, because you lose the five hours so you can't say you leave in the morning and speak that night, so you can't arrive.... Look, I'll do my best to make it if you want me to.

H: Well, look, let me put it this way to you. I would be delighted if you did and I think it would do us and the foreign policy some good and you some good. Besides there will be a couple hundred Members of Parliament there. We're going to make a special effort to have some Greeks there. Some old Parliamentarians represented for the first time. If I have to go to Greece myself and talk to Karalmanlis and tell him to pick a few like old ______ and a few guys like that.

K: That might be a good idea anyway.

H: Did I tell you I got a letter from King Constantine?

K: No, you haven't.

H: Yeah, well you know when the USIA people were up here last year I quizzed them about what they were telling the Greeks about what was going on in Greece and the results were that they weren't telling anything except what the dictatorship wanted them to hear, that's the long and short of it. And somehow or another he got a copy of it, and the funny part of it is, the letter from him was written just three days before the Government fell and I got it about two or three days after the Government fell. And I got a new little girl outside and she came in with the mail and she said, "There's a letter here from London. Do you know any Constantine R. in London?" (laughter)

K: That's funny. That is funny. Look, let me check my calendar and I'll be back to you in a few days, but I'll do my best...

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Ambassador McCloskey/The Secretary

August 6, 1974

6:10 P.M.

K: Hello.

M: Yes, sir.

K: Bob, my wife went to Mt. Vernon with my children and her
family today.

M: I just had a call about it.

K: The Chief of Naval Operations offered the boat to them. But I
don't think we should make a huge mystery of it.

M: Who offered the boat?

K: Just say the Chief of Naval Operations offered his personal
boat to my family.

M: It's both your family and her's, right?

K: That's right.

M: There is something about a line of people being pushed aside
and kept waiting.

K: That must have been security.

M: Why don't we say we regret any inconvenience anyone may have
been caused? Apparently someone in the <u>Star</u> called Simone Poulain

...

K: No, they called Mrs. Kissinger, who called Simone Poulain.

M: I was very pleased to meet the other side of the family the other
day.

K: I am overwhelmed by Irishmen these days. I hardly dare go
home any more. Eight Irishmen that meet and overwhelm you
with affection. If I ever leave my Irish friend, they will ....

M: They bear vengeance for years to come.

K: I am counting on their basic loyalties.

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Rita Hauser/Secretary Kissinger

August 6, 1974

6:15 PM

(Missed first part)

H: He told me the good news. I'm very pleased.

K: It was a good report.

H: It was __I think it will be fine, it's a footnote in this mess. How x was the
President today?

K: He was alright.

H: Was he rational? There is now an enormous vote against him in the House.

K: It's pretty rough.

H: He's pleaded guilty and thrown himself on the __. I hear Goldwater is
angry. I don't n__ know who's going to rise up and defend him.

K: You mean during the trial?

H: Where is he going to get anyone to rise up in his defense. If he __he will be
convicted and will go to jail.

K: If he resigns?

H: It gets close __ willing to give him some sort of immunity.

K: It's unbelievable.

H: I think the whole thing is dreadful. Ford will take over and the end of
our friend Nelson.

K: Unless he's made Vice President.

H: Jerry won't pick him. He's too big and powerful.

K: I think Nelson could do him a lot of good.

H: I would be astonished if he could. You're going to hang on?

K: Assuming there's a change quickly, I'll of course stay on to see what the
shape of the new administration will be. I have an obligation now. I can't
play around.

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H: You can stick it out.

K: I think I can give it six months and see where we stand. I don't think anyone knows what sort of President Ford would make, including Ford.

H: You can be sure Mel Laird will be front and center.

K: Is that good or bad?

H: For you?

K: I get along with Mel.

H: He's a smart fellow and knows how to. He's got a hell of a problem in the economic picture. He has to bring in some real power. It's a very unhappy situation. I certainly hope you stay with it as long as you can.

K: That's all I can do. It's a disheavling period and in a funny way. Some awful mistakes were made by the President but he's doesn't deserve this.

H: __ to see it to the end.

K: Ziegler is a great political expert.

H: Yes. (laughter)

K: I wonder where Ziegler is going to decide...

H: I talked to him and said he should resign.

K: That the President should quit?

H: Yes. He said basically it's the Presiden'ts decision to make. On the Latin American think job...on the economic and business issue. There's a big fight between the ____. When do you want all this stuff?

K: As soon as possible.

H: We had planned to finish it at the end of September.

K: That's fine. Maybe I could meet with the Committee.

H: When?

K: Why don't you wait until the present hsyteria is over and try me in the next week or so.

H: Great. OK. Henry.

K: I hope to see you soon. Let me know when you're in town.

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H: Well, I know your program is always hectic.

K: Well, today especially.

H: Does he talk to you at all about this?

K: No. He sometimes tells me of a decision he's made.

H: Do you think it has any impact on foreign policy?

K: Not on any particularly country.

H: What happens to a country like Egypt?

K: Brezhnev will be in trouble.

H: OK. Be a good guy Henry and let's talk soon.

K: OK.

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Ambassador Dinitz/The Secretary

August 6, 1974

7:11 P.M.

K: Hello Simca.

D: How are you?

K: On this arms thing we did yesterday. For God's sake make sure there is nothing in the Israeli papers. Please make sure there are no comments because we are going through some final throes here and things are very difficult.

D: I understand. Nothing will be said.

K: Can you keep your head down in this period? We do not need any war-like statements-just keep quiet for a few days. Someday I will explain it to you...in a little while. There could be some unfortunate public things that it would take us a long time to dig out from.

D: I understand.

K: I had a good talk with the Jordanians on some of the concepts just discussed last week. Without timing on anything and there may be a chance. I know you don't want a chance.

D: No, no...

K: We may be able to push them to the verticle line.

D: Fine. I would like to hear details whenever you finish.

K: Our immediate problem is to keep this out of sight.

D: To keep quiet.

K: Also not to let on anything about this arms thing. There is a massive danger of getting it revoked in such a way that it would be difficult to reinstitute it.

D: I have done it already, but I will do it again in your name.

K: This is not a criticism. This is just a friendly bit of advice.

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Mr. Herb Slosser/The Secretary

August 6, 1974

7:38 p.m.

K: How are you?

S: Ok. I just wanted to call and say I was pleased with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee decision. I thought all the comments at the end of the meeting were most appropriate and just on the nose.

K: Aren't you nice.

S: I know these are tough times.

K: We have to hold the country together.

S: I am glad that things for you personally are ok. And I am glad you will continue to be Secretary of State.

K: I was going to call you this week before everything blew up. Do you know who Frank Mankiewicz is?

S: I know. He was the press representative for Bob Kennedy, wasn't he?

K: Yes, and he has just been in Cuba and filmed I don't know how many hours with Castro. Would you be interested in that at all?

S: A friend of his called me a few weeks ago on that. We normally in the news area don't buy from outsiders. What do you think of him...Mankiewicz?

K: I think he is very thoughtful. I don't know what sort of film he shoots. I rarely agree with him politically but that doesn't mean he isn't intelligent.

S: Well, the answer is probably no. But I will check and let you know.

K: When are we going to get together.

S: I would like to very much. I just got back from Europe yesterday. May be I could come down next week.

K: How about Tuesday?

2.

S: Ok. I'll call you tomorrow.

K: Let's aim for Tuesday.

S: Let's aim for Tuesday. I'll give you a call tomorrow morning.
It nice talking to you.

K: I can't tell you how much I appreciate your call.

S: I know what we have in you and so many of us know. We all
have to stay calm.

K: Goodbye.

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Frank Mankiewicz/Secretary Kissinger

August 7, 1974

11:00 AM

M: I realize you have other problems.

K: I don't know where you'd get that idea.

M: I think you can't travel now. Did you talk to Slosser?
in these cases

K: Yes. He said their first reaction is also to say no, that they shoot their
own film. On my recommendation, He was going to look at it again and let
me know in a day or so.

M: You have my number where I am. Maybe I should just call him.

K: No. Wait until he gets in touch with me. He's very reliable.

M: I may have lunch with these people. I gather I can ask them to go back
and check a few things that are still __ from the __.

K: Yes. That might be useful, even more so now then previously.

M: Sort of establishing when the conference can be held. I'll try to do that
early in September.

K: Good.

M: OK. I will wait until he calls you back.

K: If he doesn't call in a couple of days -- but, he'll call me back.

M: You have my number here in Long Island?

K: Yes. I don't have to indicate the __.

M: On the SFRC ....

K: It's a good report.

M: It was __ at a nice time. Well, that's done. I think that's going to be....

K: Maybe be some guys who won't quit even now but it's going to __.

M: Look at what's going on, the crisis is by no means over.

K: The wire tap thing is sub __.

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M: I was glad to see that came first. I hope you will be a symbol of ____.

K: That was very helpful.

M: I saw your statement yesterday when you came out of the cabinet meeting. It was terrific.

K: Thank you. You can be sure that whatever happens, that's going to be my theme.

M: ____ any kind of policy.

K: That will be through even ____ after the thing has run its course.

M: You're the raft out in the sea and you are going to have to let everyone on.

K: I'm going to take foreign policy out of the 1976 campaign if they let me.

M: I can't be helpful in that area.

K: When you get back into ____ town, we should talk about that.

M: OK. Well, just go ahead and do your job. Somebody has to do it. Sandman has proposed Rockefeller as Vice President. All of that is going to start happening. What you need is a ......

K: Where it's quiet.

M: For about 30 days.

K: OK. Nice to talk to you.

M: Bye.

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Mr. Garment/Secretary Kissinger

August 16, 1974

12:25 pm

G: In light of the developments... talk to Buzhardt, it seems to me that the problem with your meeting..

K: I understand but I will handle that later.

G: It is a question of continuity, policy and so forth.

K: I think I will delay it.

:G: You think?

K: Well, what do you think?

G: I think you are backed up against a real problem.

K: I may delay it til Monday or Tuesday.

G: But there must be a continuity of policy.

K: But if it goes the way they are thinking, I will need all of Friday to get the transition done.

G: As far as Eberle is concerned there is sufficient time to do this.

K: He doesn't need it until the 19th.

G: Yes, let me know of anything you need me to do along the way.

K: Many thanks.

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Herb Slosser/Secretary Kissinger

August 7, 1974

12:45 PM

S: We spoke about the possibility of dinner Tuesday evening.

K: How would Wednesday be.

S: ~~W~~x Either day. Whatever you like.

K: Can I get back to you. I have to give a dinner for the Egyptians.

S: Whatever you say is fine. It will be just with Nancy and Judith? Just
let me know and I'll confirm it. It could be either day.

K: This is a damn nightmare.

S: I hope it could be resolved. Well, I look forward to seeing you.

K: This is a sort of a searing period. OK. I'll call you no later than tomorrow

S: Fine. Perfect.

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