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Date: 01/20/87

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Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

12:25 p. m., January 19, 1973

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D: You will be next day?

K: I will be back the next day.

D: Um-humm, I see.

K: Then I will be able to tell you what I -- what we discussed.

D: Yeah, I understand.

K: But we really have nothing worked out yet.

D: Well, this is for me a good thing to know because I am looking about this --

K: If you should have left, I will give an unsigned note to Vorontsov.

D: Yeah, all right.

K: Or the special channel. Is that all right?

D: Quite all right. Just addressed to me.

K: Good.

D: Okay. So you are leaving on Monday at what o'clock?

K: 9:00 in the morning.

D: But you will not be in the office. So if I have still something, I will call you on Sunday.

K: Right.

D: Okay.

K: Good.

D: So you leave on Inauguration Day, I mean.

K: No, I'm leaving Monday.

D: No, but I'm going to see you in Inauguration ceremony I mean?

K: Yes. And I can tell you a secret.

D: Yeah.

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Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

12:25 p. m., January 19, 1973

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K: We have decided that the President won't give his speech. One of us is going to give it, probably Haldeman.

D: You mean? [Laughter] Well, I see! I was told that the President will be rather warm so he may go beyond 10 minutes.

K: No, no.

D: Really he will not mention even Vietnam?

K: No.

D: Really?

K: No, for God's sakes now, don't tell this to anybody!

D: No, no, no. You know that. But still even for me it is rather unbelievable. I really don't know how you do it but it is even without single phrase?

K: Not with one single phrase.

D: Oh, well, you're really --

K: There may be a very little comment but it will not be noticeable.

D: Well, I'm sure there will be big microscopes and telescopes are preparing in all the capitals of the world and in Congress of the United States.

K: No, I don't think the word is mentioned.

D: Well, you may not mention the exact word but you --

K: No, no; you will see. Vietnam is not the subject. There is no announcement or end of anything.

D: No, no; I'm joking because for there to be no mention of Vietnam, you have some nice construction terminology -- final, light and final or [Laughter] You know it will . . . . . . . . . . .

[Change in Tapes]

D: ... the girl, I thought she was really the wife of Frank Sinatra but it turned out to be not.

K: Not exactly.

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The Vice President/Mr. Kissinger

1:18 p.m., January 19, 1973

VP: Henry, I've been doing some thinking about a few things I wanted to ask your advice on. First of all, I have certain commitments that if at all possible, I should make some effort to change that may fall in the timeframe we're talking about. The principal one is the Alfalfa Club, mainly because I am the person that has to be the mock Presidential candidate and if I'm not there --

K: But in any event, you would not leave before the 27th.

VP: Yeah, but this is on the --

K: You wouldn't leave before the 28th on any projected --

VP: Well, this is on the 27th.

K: So you could do that.

VP: So that would be certain that I could do that.

K: Yes.

VP: All right. Now the other thing, will there be at any stage a White House comment on this story that floated out of Saigon?

K: Not immediately because it depends on Thieu's general position towards the agreement.

VP: Yes, I see. Now the other thing, I think it would be very helpful for me at this point, if you think it would be wise, to read the record of negotiations, in the line that this would be preparatory to whatever briefing material I would be given. It would give me the kind of background and feel for the situation that I might need.

K: Well, let's do that next week sometime after the Inauguration.

VP: As soon as -- It would be helpful to see that as soon as I could, you know.

K: Right.

VP: Because I imagine it is fairly extensive, isn't it?

K: Well, but the negotiations presumably would be completed at that point and there wouldn't be any -- the purpose of the meeting would be the post-war situation not the negotiations themselves.