The president of the republic is the
president, Vice or aombul
President's Seal?

OCLASSIFIED
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By: KM.W. NAFU, Date: 5/13/04

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Vice President Agnew/Mr. Kissinger

7/7/72 9:10 a.m.

VP: I am getting ready to leave Houston right now and I wanted to talk to you about the death of the Greek patriarch--I have talked to Yakavas this morning--it just so happens they are in session here in Houston--I spoke to him yesterday and he came up to see me to discuss this matter. Of course, they wanted very badly for me to attend the funeral; I don't see how, with my schedule, that is not going to be possible, but I made a suggestion to Haldeman that it would be very good if the President could designate the Archbishop to head an ecumenical delegation--he would like that very much to include Cardinal Cooke------

HAK: Well, let me look into that because I have to see what this will involve--I have to make sure that this doesn't take sides in succession.

VP: Let me just say this much on that subject--of course, we know there is a tremendous amount of hard feeling between the Turkish ____ and the greeks here in Yakavas' group, but we have got to bear in mind that the Turkish government is not involved as such in this and------

HAK: Well, that's what I would like to find out--

VP: The Archdiocese of North and South America is where our ball game is --we have tremendous support in this great community by being too considerate of the Turkish bishops of no advantage to us whatsoever, we could get ourselves --

HAK: No, I don't give a damn about the Turkish bishops

VP:.........a very great block of supportive voters

HAK: I give a man about the Turkish government, but let me look into it, can I call you in a couple of hours--I have just been....

VP: I am not talking about the Turkish government--they are not involved.

HAK: Yeh, but I want to know how they feel about this whole thing.

St. George's Church in St. George's, Utah

Deputy Chief of Staff

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By: JML V NASA Date: 5/12/04

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Pete Peterson/Mr. Kissinger

7/7/72 9:50 a.m.

PP: I know you are busy, Henry. There are just 2 or 3 things. First of all, the stuff in rough form is on the way within a matter of minutes.

HAK: Good, I need it to go with.../

PP: ...statement and the Q&A's.

HAK: I am going up to LA and I have to just get it into my head for the minimum briefing we may do here.

PP: All right. It is not polished---but it will give the essence.

HAK: Yeh, but it could you really get it on the machine quickly?

PP: They will be on their way in five minutes. There is a fact sheet missing, but we'll send that within an hour. What the boys need to know here is the foreign papers, we are going to invite them here, right.

HAK: Right.

PP: And can we start inviting them now, as long as we don't tell them what it is about?

HAK: We cannot have a leak.

PP: I understand. The dummy thing I am thinking of is that Earle is calling in a bunch of leaders to talk with them which he is doing and that he is going to have some things to discuss which he thinks are very important, and he hasn't kidding him before and make it look like it is some big thing on all of Agriculture.

HAK: Can't you get--how about waiting until Monday?

PP: He is terribly upset about an hour delay even.

HAK: I don't give a man whether he is upset--that's the way it will be--it can be a two-hour delay. We aren't running it for his pleasure. He is going to do what we tell him.

The following information has been obtained
by the order of a governmental agency
Please read all of it

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PP: I think we can do it so that they don't know why they are coming. If I am wrong, it is my fault. I think we can camouflag it. Greason I have talked to this morning--he is going to talk to me tomorrow, but he says he will cooperate.

HAK: Terrific.

PP: So we have him out of the way. Now the money part of it, we'll have enough for a year or so--enough to get started. I talked to Dobrynin last night--he does not want to release the contract. He says that means another thing going back to the Soviet Union. He said that we've just been back and forth somany times, he'd much rather it be released when you have to to your Congress. If you want to change that Henry it is up to you, but he does not want to release the agreement tomorrow.

HAK: Okay.

PP: They will not tell us the quantities now because it is going to affect their buying, but that is all right, we'll have another story later on. We have to know when to schedule this thing tomorrow-- I told them one hour later than you.

HAK: I would do it even an hour and half later at 1:30.

PP: Okay. --one and half hours later at 1:30.

H. W. S.UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

ATTACHMENT B

CLASSIFIED
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By: K.L.V.

NASA Data 5/12/04

TELCOM

John Wayne/Mr. Kissinger

7/7/72 10:40 a.m.

HAK: Mr. Wayne?

JW: Yes, Mr. Kissinger.

HAK: Glad to have a chance to talk with you--been wanting to. I understand you are coming to that dinner on Tuesday.

JW: Yes, I was just invited by your secretary.

HAK: Delighted. I know that the Soviet Ambassador isn't your normal company. I don't want you to think we have suddenly gone soft. We..

JW: That's ridiculous.

HAK: We have to keep these guys quiet until November.

JW: Sure.

HAK: I would like to talk to you --we won't have a chance to talk there. Where are you now?

JW: I am in Lo Jolla going through the Barium treatment, so I'm not in a very good mood.

HAK: Do you live in Newport or where?

JW: I live in Newport. Right now I'm in LaJolla.

HAK: I have to go up to LA. If you wanted lunch tomorrow or sometime

JW: I'd love to, but I still have to go thru this test.

HAK: Let's aim next week, then we can talk more candidly that I will be able to there

JW: Wonderful.

A. M. E. T. C. of the open class
in the name of the Republic of Poland

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JW: You know you have been reading the papers wrong. I am not a monster when it comes to...

HAK: I don't think you are a monster. You wrote a letter to a Harvard colleague of mine--Stanley Hoffman, and you were so right that I admired what you said.

JW: Thank you.

HAK: You don't have to--we need some people who stand up so won't have any trouble with me on your basic views. On the contrary. But I did want the chance to talk to you sometime.

JW: It would be very interesting for me.

HAK: How should we leave it. Shall we call each other.

JW: Oh Monday or Tuesday, whenever it is convenient.

HAK: Okay. Let's call each other over the weekend and set a time for next week.

JW: Fine.

HAK: I guess the WH board has your number.

JW: I am sure they have.

HAK: Good.

Re: Kissinger/Suzanne Turman
Date: 7/6/72
Time: 11:30 a.m.

DECLASSIFIED
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By: K.M.L. NAFU, Date: 5/13/72

TELCONE

Mr. Kissinger/Suzanne Turman

11:30 a.m. 7/7/72

ST: I'm calling to see if you would like to come to dinner and let us show the graduate--maybe like Wednesday evening.

HAK: Aren't you nice. Wednesday I can't make it.

ST: How is Friday?

HAK: That is a possibility. But what I would like to do is call you Monday because we have a number of travelling Cabinet people who are coming back next week and whatever day that they come back I am stuck in the evening. Wednesday, I can't do it, Friday looks possible.

ST: Do you want to let me know on Monday then?

HAK: May I?

ST: Sure, that's fine.

HAK: I understand I am seeing you Sunday anyway.

ST: At Joyce's. Maybe you will know then.

HAK: Right.

SR: Well see you on Sunday.

Re: [Subject: Henry Kissinger/Otis Chandler]
Re: [Date: 12/05/72]
Re: [To: President]
Re: [Subject: Re: [OPINION:]
Re: [Date: 12/05/72]

DECLASSIFIED
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By: KHL V NASA Date 5/12/04

TELCOM

Henry Kissinger/Otis Chandler

7/7/72

11:50 a.m.

HAK: Otis, I forget when you said you were going to be in NY because Dobrynin is going to be in town next week and I am giving a dinner for him at the Bistro upstairs on Tuesday and I wondered whether you and Missy would like to come

OCH: I would like to.

HAK: Will you be back on Tuesday? 7:30?

OC: It is a question of what flight I take out Henry. Let me see what I can do and I'll let you know. We might be a little late. I had lunch with him a couple of years ago and I'd like to renew the acquaintance. I might be able to get back in time. You're starting at 7:30?

HAK: Yes.

OC: When would you be sitting down?

HAK: About 8:00-8:30. I don't know.

OC: Let me xxxxxx see what I can do, Henry, and I'll let you know. Thank you for the invitation.

HAK: I would be delighted if you could come.

OC: Thursday looks good?

HAK: Yes, I'll confirm it finally on Monday, but I think it is fine.

OC: Okay. I would be interested too Henry when I see you next what you would think of an editorial we are going to run on Sunday which sort of summarizes where we think the best interests of this country lie between what Laird is saying and what McGovern is saying on the matter of our defense.

HAK: I will tell you honestly what McGovern is saying is almost totally irresponsible. That's doesn't mean one has to agree with every last word of Laird.

OC: But Laird where he is....

Re: [goddesses,] Why is the report so short?
Is it because it's a short story?
Please read it!

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KM V NAVA Date: 5/12/04

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HAK: The trouble with Laird speaking as a friend is that he says unexceptionally things in such a provocative way that you forget what the argument is all about by the time he gets through with it.

OC: I know it. But running up the white flag and all that is a lot of senseless rhetoric when he accuses...

HAK: Oh that sort of thing, yeh, that's a....

OC: I'd be curious to have your evaluation--it will be in the Sunday paper.

HAK: Good, you can be sure I'll read it.

OC: I'll let you know on the other.

A letter from the president of
the Senior Class of 1972
Purdue University

By: K.L. V. HASLA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCONE

Guido Goldman / Mr. Kissinger

10:50 a.m. 7/8/72

HAK: What I wanted, I can't really discuss on the telephone because the country in which you are has the best phone tapping system in the world. And I have found an other way of getting it done anyway.

GG: Okay, I am sorry, I didn't realize....

HAK: That's okay--it was somewhat a sensitive thing which I wanted you to do and it--there was no conceivable way you could know that.

GG: She thought I was leaving this morning--

HAK: That's what she thought-- When will you be back?

GG: Not until early September--or very end of August and then I move to Washington. I am taking in Georgetown.

HAK: Oh great, I'll see more of you then.

GG: Yes I look forward to it. I hope you get a little rest this summer and I will send you my itinerary so you will know where I am--

HAK: Good. Nancy told me of your conversation with Kalb. You can talk to them, I don't mind.

GG: I talked to them about the early bit--I don't think he has the greatest sensitivity.

HAK: I'd rather have you talk to them than these other guys at Harvard.

GG: I talked to them mainly about my ______ towards you as a student and why I thought you had the remarkable position as a professor long before your position in Washington. But that was the bulk of what we talked about. If there is any point I can do for you--to bring back anything back from Europe let me know.

HAK: Is your apartment available during the summer?

GG: The apartment? Absolutely. I sent you a letter which you haven't received yet, I guess--the apartment is available only to you--you don't have to check. The only problem in August the housekeeper is on holiday so that--you'll be the only one using it. There is no need to have anyone call my office --just go--any time during the week--anytime until I'm back in September, no one has the key or the right to use it.

Re: [Subject to change] if the President's
the Vice President's
PRESIDENT'S OFFICE

DECLASSIFIED
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HAK: Good, that's marvelous. I almost certainly will not do it.

GG: Consider it your apartment for the summer--be well, I hope all goes well, I know it will and I look forward to seeing you in September.

HAK: I'm called by the President, I have to go.

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12939, Sept. 3.6

By: KAL NASA Date: 5/13/84

TELCOM

Mr. Kissinger/Mr Simon Norton

7/8/72 11:50 a.m.

HAK: I wanted to call you and tell you and Jennifer how much I appreciated last evening.

SN: Well, we appreciated having you and it was delightful.

HAK: And your toast meant a great deal to me. I wanted to wait one course before I responded, and then everyone started shifting around, so I thought I couldn't do it any more.

SN: I think it was unnecessary.

HAK: I thought so too because it was--you said it so beautifully.

SN: I felt what I said--

HAK: I want you to know it meant a lot to me and I look forward to seeing you before I leave.

SN: Well, I'll look forward to it too, I know you are terribly busy, you give me a ring if you have some time and there is any chance of making it, I would love to come down.

HAK: Good, well, let's plan on that.

SN: The only thing is I am going up to Billings (?) on the 12th and will be pretty busy the 13th. Otherwise I'll be pretty free.

HAK: I'll call you Monday when my schedule is a little clearer.

SN: It was awfully nice of you to come--a lot of our marginal people have a lot of respect--this I have heard.

HAK: I have found it a very pleasant social occasion and anything else that happened was was an unnecessary addition, but a pleasant one.

SN: Well, Henry, hope to see you soon.

HAK: sure.

Re: President's Office
Re: State of the Republic
Re: Pres. Call?

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM ( San Clemente)
Vice President/Kissinger

10:25 a.m. - 7/9/72

K: Mr. Vice President.

VP: Yes, Henry.

K: I have been calling all over the place and it is our judgment that the matter should really be dropped now. We've had a communication from the Turkish Government that the Iakovos issues has been taken up by the Prime Minister, by the Acting Foreign Minister and by other senior officials and that they consider it a matter of the greatest national interest not to permit him to come in.

VP: Well, there's not much we can do about it I guess.

K: And I think under those conditions it would really be a major incident. Now I had State call Pappas just to make sure that he knew everything had been done and he says he understands that we've done everything we can.

VP: How would you suggest that Iakovos handle the rest of these people like Cardinal Cooke and the other ministers? In other words they've been asked to go . . .

K: I think we should put it on the basis that the Turks decided they didn't want any Ecumenical delegation.

VP: Well, in other words are they excluded too? They're not technically excluded I guess.

K: They are not excluded actually. He is the only one that's excluded.

VP: Well I would think that they in sympathy for him would refuse to go anyhow.

K: I don't see that it makes any sense to send an American church group that excludes the Greek Orthodox, don't you?

VP: I think you're right. All right. It's a very strange situation.

K: It is a strange situation. Of course it is a completely different situation from "48 when they were completely dependent on us.

The Times, Sunday Times, London
regional paper, 1st March
PUBLISHED: 1978-03-06

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K (cont): They've just thrown out the pro-American Prime Minister so we're in trouble with them all the way around.

VP: I understand. I'll just have to get out of it as best I can. I wish to hell that Davies had not. . .

K: I wish also. We've really reamed him.

VP: I will call the Archbishop and just inform him that I've done everything that can be done and we have to withdraw from the matter.

K: I think really it is also the best for you, Mr. Vice President because otherwise it will get too personal of a thing.

VP: All right. But I have great sympathy because he's a helluva fine man.

a know

K: He's/very intelligent man. I don't him. But I've talked to him once and I was very impressed with him.

VP: And of course Athanagoras was too and they were two very top flight people. I don't know what's going to come of this now but I'll call him and sorry that the Turkish Government has taken this stance.

K: But it's gotten to the highest level. That's the one thing I had to check out and we were ready to go to them.

VP: All right, I'll take it from there and just close it up Henry.

K: Good, Mr. Vice President. Thank you.

The President's Office has open hours every other Friday and Saturday night.

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TELCOM

7/8/72 12:00

Governor Rockefeller/Mr. Kissinger

NR: Henry, how are you.

HAK: Nelson, I wanted to wish you a happy birthday.

NR: Aren't you the most thoughtful person. Here I am 64.

HAK: Going on about 45 in physical energy.

NR: We had a great family party here for 3 generations. Very friendly and lovely. We enjoyed so much being with you Henry.

HAK: Well, it meant a lot to me Nelson and I want you to know that and I hope you're preserved for the nation for a long time to come.

NR: I'm getting more relaxed.

HAK: You can make a major contribution--I know you will make a major contribution because I think some of our big tests are still ahead.

NR: All I want to do is back you. I am really interested in doing that.

HAK: And some of the things we were talking about on Sunday I think are really worth doing.

NR: And Henry, I talked to the President today and he I don't think in mind sending any messages.

HAK: We'll send a message. I have given orders to get it drafted and I'll have it for you before you leave on the 13th.

RN: I think a little simple message.

HAK: You can count on it.

RN: I have my schedule set and want to talk with...

HAK: I haven't talked to the President about it, but there will be no problem.

The President's Desk

The White House

Executive Office Building

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NR: I didn't say anything to him but this is going to be the big test on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to see whether McGovern gets it or Kennedy.

HAK: What do you think?

NR: I hope it is McGovern.

HAK: Yeh, I do too.

NR: The Court of Appeals in New York State upheld 5-2 our abortion law--I vetoed the repeal and it was upheald 5-2. And the interesting thing is that two of the Catholic members who opposed it, talked about it as a Nazi law and so forth--it was really fantastic. But Judge Bitell (?) who wrote the opinions said this was not a matter for the court--and it has never been recognized yet, the foetus had a full, you know, human life, and the legislature wanted to say it was up to the woman then that was fine. And not up to the court. This was a very important decision and I think will be very effective in terms of the Supreme Counrt decision.

HAK: You have made a major contribution again as in many things and I just know that there is a great deal to be done and it can only be done by somebody with your courage and imagination.

NR: You and I are long-time workers in the vineyard, and we'll stay there.

HAK: You know what I wish you--I just use the excuse to tell you what I feel everyday.

NR: Aren't you nice. I am so proud of what you are doing and thank you because you are on the front line and I'm in the background, but with you.

HAK: You have proved that. I have never had a doubt of that.

NR: And I think between us we'll get a lot accomplished.

HAK: We have already and we'll do a lot more.

NR: Now you are talking. Thanks so much for calling. Give your children our love. We'll be think of you and praying for you on your next trip.

HAK: Thank you. I'll call when I get back.

Re: [insert telephone number here]

To: [insert name here]

From: [insert name here]

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3-6

6/14/72 NASA Date 5/12/04

TELCONE (San Clemente)
President/Kissinger

July 9, 1972 - 6:00 p.m.

K: Mr. President.

P: Well, how did you get along today? I heard you were on the beach.

K: Yes.

P: What a great day!

K: Beautiful day!

P: One of the days this week what you ought to do is come down - Hope Lewis came in today - and you know the Red Beach. Have you gone over there with me yet?

K: I was at the Red Beach with you Mr. President two years ago. I haven't been there lately.

P: We usually go down in the afternoon. The beauty of that is that you can go in it - the water isn't so rough.

K: Oh good. How long is Lewis going to be here?

P: He'll be here a couple three days. Let me ask you - do you have something you're going to do tonight?

K: I was actually going to go . . .

P: Fine. What is the situation now on those other fellows?

K: My understanding is that Rogers will get in Wednesday night late or Thursday morning.

P: But that he isn't planning to spend the night apparently. At least that's what I hear. Somebody told me that - Bull or somebody. Ehrlichman, I guess. That neither one was.

K: No, no Connally is planning to spend the night. That I know for a fact.

P: Good. Good. What is Connally's day?

The following are the persons in c
itself, Mrs. Nixon and Mr. Rogers.

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K: Friday.

P: Then that's the day we want to keep free. And I'm keeping it free.

K: I'm keeping Friday evening free.

P: With Rogers I understand that maybe he's going to the Grove or something but he's got his daughter. But he'll be in Thursday then?

K: Rogers as I understand it will be in Thursday, yes.

P: Fine.

K: He's seen the Pope. Well, I'm taking Dobrynin around on Tuesday to some movie studios and giving a dinner for him that evening.

P: When do you want to bring him over here? I spoke to Mrs. Nixon and she would be very happy to have tea with Mrs. Dobrynin while you, he and I talk.

K: Why don't we do it Wednesday around five. Would that be a good time for tea?

P: Of course. Anything. Sure.

K: Or we could do it Wednesday morning, whichever you prefer.

P: Whatever is best. I mean when did you think he would arrive? A matter of fact it might be better for him and also for you if he came in the morning.

K: I think it might be better than he's got the day free and you've got the afternoon off.

P: When are you having the dinner?

K: Tuesday night. He's coming down either Tuesday night or Wednesday.

P: Oh, then where'll he stay?

K: You told me I should tell Brennan to get a house for him for one night and he has.

A. M. E. of the U. S. Air Force

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By: KVL

NASHA, Date: 5/12/04

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P: Excellent. Well, then he should come down Tuesday night then. As a matter of fact if you're giving the dinner you could come back. I mean we ought to furnish the helicopter for him.

K: Either that or first thing Wednesday morning.

P: Fine. Well, then I think what would be nice Henry is in the morning when he comes you can say the President would like to have you over. And then we'll take him on a little tour and then you and he and I can go up to the little office and chat while she sees Mrs. Nixon. Mrs. Nixon is very fond of her anyway and I think this would be a nice touch.

K: That would be marvelous!

P: And we'll do that rather than seeing them in the office.

K: And then I'll take him over to my office for an hour of business and then in the afternoon he can sit on the beach.

P: That's right - then he won't be tied up for the evening. I can do it either time but I think the morning is better.

K: That's fine. I was going to take him over to Capistrano to the El Adobe restaurant - just him and me.

P: He might like that.

K: Because he's leaving Thursday morning. We've got to keep these bastards, too.

P: You don't want to have somebody set up another party for him.

K: No, I don't think he wants another party.

P: He'd prefer perhaps to do the movie thing with you and then have a quiet evening with you.

K: I think - I talked to him a little while ago and he said if we can make just a small thing a family, just him and me he'd like that best. That way we can watch that Convention if we want to and we don't have to take people away. That's the nominating night, isn't it?

P: It is, yes, yes.

A. M. E. Three o'clock in the evening.
A. M. E. of a commercial
Preliminary Report.

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NARA. Data

5/13/04

K: I can have him here, Mr. President. I think it's better for him not to be with you that night.

P: That's good. OK. That's fine. Well, we'll see then. We might try that beach tomorrow or Tuesday then.

K: Right.

P: Oh, but Tuesday you go out with him. Maybe Wednesday.

K: Right. Maybe Wednesday I could do it.

P: Everything else is calm, eh? I see they're still having problems with Quang Tri.

K: Well, Mr. President, they're not really having all that much problems. They are in the center of Quang Tri. They don't want to take too many casualties. You know these ARVN divisions.

P: On the other hand, they are doing awful well, Henry.

K: The fact is that I back it.

P: The press is having a helluva time knocking them.

K: That's right and you have the front page of the Los Angeles Times now speaking of the North Vietnamese army it may be ________. It's licking it's wound. There's a long article going over three or five pages.

P: Isn't that interesting. I tell you this thing is moving more than our enemies would like to think.

K: Well you see that's one of the problems. It may be that these guys are really weakening on the battlefield. Then waiting for McGovern just may not be their option. Especially since they'd have to wait until January 20th.

P: Yeh, and basically they can damn well figure that if we by some chance lose the election I'm not going to leave with a whipper. You know that. The hell with the goddamn thing. We'll just let them have it.

Rebuttal to the open letter
from Sen. Dan Quayle
of Pennsylvania

DECLASSIFIED

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6/11/94
NASA Date 5/12/94

K: That's right and you'll be saving it for your successor.

P: That's right I'll be totally free to do what I want. So.

K: What I think we have to move heaven and earth about is the election Mr. President. It's the most important election of the century. It really is.

P: You can really compare it to the Goldwater thing. With Goldwater we at least would have had some sane men around him. The Republicans basically are a sane group.

K: And also Goldwater was going to rigidly in the right direction. That was his problem.

P: That's right. His instincts were right. And this guy is going too rigidly in the wrong direction.

K: This guy really wants revolution and in fact the only reason they are accepting a slightly more moderate program from him is because they know - they think he doesn't mean it. I'm talking about his supporters.

P: They think he means a more radical one, don't they?

K: That's right.

P: They think he's one of them. I think at heart he is incidentally.

K: I think so, too, incidentally. And it doesn't make any difference. He's a weakling and all the people he's bringing in with him are going to push him in this direction. Bhutto had a conversation with Connally and Bhutto you know.

P: Oh yes, before I see Connally I want to be sure to get a run down on ________. I haven't let him know yet how important this trip is and we've really got to butter him up.

K: Well, he didn't send many reports in. I'll get them all compiled for you.

P: What did he say? What did Bhutto say?

H. E. T. U. S. Air Force
U. S. Air Force
U. S. Air Force

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K: Bhutto said he can't believe that a great country like the United States could have any possibility that McGovern could become President.

P: And isn't Bhutto a left winger?

K: That's Bhutto - a left winger and now then we have Chou En-lai lecturing Ford and Boggs about our high Defense Budget.

P: And frankly with our Russian friends who, for reasons that are damn hard to understand, they at the present time don't want to see them.

K: And Mr. President, let's face it. Dobrynin's showing up in Los Angeles and letting me give this dinner for him is helping us in Los Angeles. I mean maybe not hugely but I'm going to make damn sure there's going to be a lot of publicity.

P: Well, the fact that you're having that dinner and letting that get out.

K: I'm letting the dinner get out. I'm letting - and Taft Schreiber will arrange that there will be a lot of photographers at Universal when we take him around and they'll say that this is at the special request of the President.

P: And of course my meeting on the next day will be on the record.

K: That's right.

P: I think probably the way we will do that because if we don't have a picture it will look like - well, I think we'll meet in the office and have a little shot and then take off. You and he and I will have a shot because I don't like to have pictures at the house.

K: No, you shouldn't start that. And that he'll appreciate too. So we'll arrive, take him to your office and then take off over there.

P: Then we'll pick up Mrs. Dobrynin and take them for a little tour and they'll love that. Because the thing we all want to remember about our Communist friends - we have no illusions about their philosophies but they are people.

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K: Oh yes, absolutely. Listen what you established with Brezhnev - the relationship - is not to be ignored.

P: Incidentally on that - you still have in mind that subject of my writing him a little note.

K: That will be ready for you this week.

P: I have a feeling that after the grain deal and everything else we are glad that our relations...

K: That played very well - don't you think so?

P: I think so. I talked to Washington and Colson gave me a rundown and he read the Sunday papers and he said it was really great. The Sunday papers all played high and strong. And of course he said you got a little dividend with your talk on Vietnam. That just confuses the beJesus out of the Democrats. And the very fact that you deny anything is going on confuses them even more.

K: You're right - they said "Are you optimistic?" And I said, "I'm open-minded."

P: Well, we have that postured in the right way and I said all we had to do was be sure that Porter tries not to see that it's just a straight breakoff in negotiations. I wouldn't want that to happen Thursday morning.

K: Thursday it can't happen.

P: It wouldn't happen before your meeting.

K: Certainly not. Well, Le Duc Tho hasn't started moving yet, but I got the word out in that press conference that you expected him to.

P: Your purpose being that if he doesn't show, you won't show.

K: I think I might show but I think it's in our interest to have one secret meeting.

P: That's right. Regardless of what happens.

K: Don't you think?

P: Hell, yes. We'll announce it when you come back that you've had it. The thing we want is to string it along. If we can just keep the hope of negotiation hanging over them for a while this is an important thing.

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K: Right.

P: What happened to that B-52 that we lost.

K: That was a malfunction. There was nothing. . .

P: I noticed it was going - well, you have to lose some but that's been remarkable that we haven't had any shot down yet.

K: No, one . . . well without it, Mr. President we would have been. . .

P: Let's face it without 195 rather than. . . .

K: I know.

P: Moorer and Laird thought you and I were crazy when we hit this thing. I said double the number, how many have we got in the world and then I said for Christ's sake, get some out here.

K: That's right we went from 60 to 84 to 109 to 145 to 195.

P: That's a wallop, isn't it?

K: That's a wallop. You have to figure 18 of them are as much as a thousand planes in World War II.

P: I think that is what really saved An Loc and saved <u>Franklin</u> and frankly it's saving Hue.

K: Exactly and what's more it has so chewed up their army that you almost hope that they attack it. We will never be stronger.

P: Yeh, now is the time for the attack to come. OK, enjoy the rest of a nice day and don't bother looking at the Democratic Convention. I'm not going too. I just told my wife it's another damn convention that makes you feel bad because they hit you all the time. Don't you agree?

K: Absolutely.

U.S. Dept. of State

P.O. Box 1234

By: K.H. V. NARA. Date: 5/13/84

TelCon:9:20-7/10/72

Mr. Kissinger/
Chuck Colson

K: Hello.

C: Hi Henry, how are you.

K: OK

C: I just thought I would fill you in on my luncheon meeting on Friday with Ambassador Dobrynin.

K: That is OK. I got the Teamsters under good control.

C: OK, well I will work out the peace negotiations and you get the teamsters' endorsement. How is that.

K: Listen you bastard.

C: (laughing)

K: Who gave me instructions to butter up Gibson.

C: Both of us might do better. I didn't want you to butter him up, I wanted you to have him sent over to Hanoi and then

K: That is what I am trying to do.

C: Well then just be sure that the B-52s go into wherever he is that night.

K: But seriously you understand I didn't even know he was coming. He called me by a coincidence the day I got your note.

C: No, the only problem I had is that if I had known about it that he was out in California I could have covered my flag(?)

K: But you see. I didn't know either. I told him - he called me up on the Thursday before I left. I said look I am leaving call me on the West Coast on Wednesday. He didn't call. The next thing I heard was at 9:45 that morning I got a message saying that Gibson and Tabb - and I didn't even know who Taub was.

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K: ______ on the way.

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C: And Taub is a lawyer, ostensibly for Jimmy Hoffa. Now Gibbons, of course, Gibbons is a Hoffa man.

K: So - I had tried in fact to turn them off. Not for your reasons but because I didn't want to see them that day. Well, they got no comfort from me. I was extremely tough and told them it was out of the question that I would do anything. That we wouldn't tolerate having Hanoi determine our negotiator. The only thing is that I said to Gibson that perhaps I would want him - if he wanted to go instead of Hoffa alone, without Hoffa, because he was going to go anyway. Then he said wait until the week of the 20th and go then and I will tell him whether that is the time to go. But even that I haven't told him to do yet.

C: The week of what - the 20th of

K: July.

C: You mean the week of the 17th.

K: Well, from my point of view actually I can't - well if you want him the week of the 17th fine.

C: Well if he was going to be gone anytime I would love him gone starting this coming weekend. Because Monday the Teamsters will meet in California and Gibbons we know is a no vote. In other words he will vote against the President. The endorsement of the President. And he can do that very consistent with still coming around talking to you. He has got a rationale that the teamsters shouldn't endorse anyone and he can then say to you well it wasn't anything anti-Nixon, I just don't believe in endorsing

K: Well, now the immediate problem is Taub is calling me all the time. I haven't taken his call.

C: Let me give you some background on Taub because he called here some time ago and was very abusive to the gals in the office and eventually I got him on the phone and he said - well he was cursing me. Then I have a fellow here who knows Jimmy Hoffa call Hoffa and Hoffa said he's trying to avoid the guy. He said he's an extortionist and he's trying to get him loose and free of his restrictions so he can take over the Teamsters again and then he wants to hold him up for a big fee. He said the guy is not speaking with his authority but I think the guy is speaking with Gibbons authority. That's pretty clear.

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K: Gibbons was with him.

C: Oh sure, and you see, what they're trying to do Henry -- I just want you to know this. They are desperately trying to get Hoffa sprung loose of his restrictions so that he can take over the teamsters and they want to do it before Fitzsimmons endorses this because once Fitzsimmons gets the endorsement then we don't need Hoffa. They're trying to make it appear that we need Hoffa to get the endorsement which is not true. And it would be selling out Fitz. I mean it would be a terrible thing for us to do. Fitz is paranoid about it; any movement on the part of Gibbons or Taub into our circle and Fitz just goes up the wall because he gets very skittish. The only problem we had last week was that I was negotiating with Fitz over the endorsement the very day he was seeing his arch-enemy and he got a little bit suspicious and uneasy when he found out and when he called me, of course, I said oh, that's impossible. We wouldn't let Taub anywhere near us. And then I had to call back and eat crow which was the only . . .

K: Yeah, but the point is we didn't know who Taub was. I thought . . . my instructions were to butter up Gibson.

C: Well, where does it stand for the rest of this week, just so I'm not . . .

K: Well, where it stands for the rest of this week is nothing. I expect a call from Taub. I've had several. I'll tell him we can't do anything for Hoffa, is that right?

C: Yes. Well, I wouldn't put it that way; I'd say that the Hoffa issue has to be settled on its own and has nothing to do with this cockeyed proposal.

K: Well, can I say it's under consideration?

C: No, Jesus Christ, that would kill us.

K: Well, what do I say. Just tell me what to say.

C: Well, what you say to Taub is that the question of Mr. Hoffa's . . . the restrictions on Mr. Hoffa's pardon is a matter that is the responsibility of the Department of Justice and that nothing that you would have any interest, that you Henry Kissinger, would have any interest in in terms of peace negotiations or anything else is going to have any impact on that.

K: Okay, fine. I've already told him that. I just reaffirm what I've said.

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on prisoners would have been suicide.

C: I understand. The only thing I'm asking over the next seven days
Henry is...

K: Nothing will happen. You don't have to worry.

C: If it does, just let me know so that I... I know ahead of Fitzsimmons
that's all.

K: Nothing will happen, unless you think I should call Gibbons... I hate
to send Gibbons to Hanoi before we've had our talks with the North
Vietnamese to tell you the truth.

C: Well, your talks start on Thursday.

K: Yeah, but they won't clarify for another week or ten days.

C: Well, I wouldn't do it for that purpose. I mean if it worked out as a
happy coincidence that's great.

K: Next week I can do it but this week is just tough.

C: Well maybe if he, you know that there's an interesting twist here.
Maybe if he thinks that's coming, maybe that will neutralize him next
Monday.

K: Yeah. No, I'll tell him... that I've already practically told him.

C: Well that could be a plus to us. That could be useful.

K: Okay.

C: And I will now cover with Fitz exactly what's going on.

K: Well you tell Fitz that I will return... I have not taken a call from
Taub. I will now tell him exactly what you have said.

C: Okay.

K: And no more and that's the only... and that the only other thing I
may do is to call Gibbons later in the week and tell him that if he
wants to return to Hanoi... I also told Gibbons he'd never go as
our emissary, that if he want he would go on his own, I'd listen to
whatever information he'd bring back but I'd give him none to take there.

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McDonough Staff

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C: That's good; that's excellent. Okay, I can handle this well with Fitzsimmons once we get their endorsement...

K: How does the political situation look to you as long as I got you on the phone.

C: Frighteningly good Henry.

K: Really?

C: Frighteningly good.

K: I tell you, when I saw that God-dammed telethon . . . if we don't get ourselves organized . . . I mean we've got to get some enthusiasm on our side.

C: Well, that's there's none at all because we're so far ahead.

K: Really.

C: If you look at any of the polls and you look at the incredible problems the Democrats have and the massive defections that will take place if McGovern is the nominee, you know, it's very difficult to get our troops all exercised because they figure the President is going to win all 50 states.

K: Yeah, but if we don't get . . . what we've got to do, don't you think, is to act as if we're going to lose all 50.

C: No, not yet. At some point you want to scare people, yes, but right now what you want is enormous winner psychology that LBJ had going in 1964 so that you get massive defections of Democrats, which is going to happen. In other words, make it a wise thing for Democrats to jump on our bandwagon. And that for the next month and then come September, you talk about the race tightening up and the need for our people to get out . . .

K: Well I don't care whether we should say we're winning . . . you know, we're losing -- I just think we have to get our guys organized so that they'll really work like crazy.

C: Well, that's going to be . . . Of course McGovern will help us with that because he's such an extreme fellow that he'll crank our people out. I'm interested in your reaction to the telethon. I thought it was a bust. You were impressed with it, huh?

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K: Well, just by the way these constant row of entertainers sort of hit away. I think we should be on a higher level than these guys are. I think the more hate stuff they put out if we don't hit back the way we did in '70 the better it will be.

C: No question about that. No question about that.

K: Okay Chuck. And you have my word that nothing will happen with the teamsters that you will not be informed of ahead of time. Look, I will get . . . why don't I do this. I will tape the conversation with Taub and send you the copy.

C: No, that's not necessary. You see, as long as I know . . . the only thing with Union people, they're innately suspicious (A) and (B) they're people who believe that there's only one thing of value in life and that is a man's word. And you can do anything with them so long as they keep . . . as long as they trust you. The moment that you do something that they distrust this is why McGovern's in such trouble with the union people, they just don't trust him. So the only thing I need to know is to be able to tell Fitz things and not let him think we're trying to play . . .

K: Well, first of all you explained the whole situation.

C: Oh sure. No, no, no question about that.

K: Okay good.

C: Great. Thanks Henry.

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This is not the actual typeface.
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NASA Data

5/12/04

TELCON (San Clemente)

Ziegler/Kissinger

9:47 a.m. - 7/10/72

K: Hello.

Z: Hi, Henry.

K: Hi, Ron.

Z: Where did you get that good looking new coat?

K: What do you mean?

Z: That good-looking new sport coat you have on?

K: Where the hell are you?

Z: I'm up at the Surf and Sand.

K: Are you taping me now?

Z: No, we have a camera on you the whole time.

K: That's what I figured. I'm glad you didn't have showmen and
sound there on Saturday, we might have been on television
otherwise.

Z: You were on TV.

K: Yeh, which I didn't want.

Z: Well they just took some silent pictures.

K: Plus sound.

Z: No, but what CBS did - remember I asked you at the end if we
minded the radio. . .

K: Yeh, but they put the two together.

Z: I know they did. That's the first time they've done that to us
and we'll have to keep that in mind after this, but I thought it
ran fine.

K: Yeh, except that's not my point. My point is to maintain some
rarity while here.

Z: You have that.

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K: Ok.

Z: I mean rarity - you run in every paper in the country.

K: Oh, I mean the press conference was fine.

Z: Sure it was and it was a big story on television so that you maintained your rarity value all the time.

K: It was amazing that we got two big stories out of it.

Z: Sure it was perfect. Henry, on this Cuban thing - you know that Pierpont story - are you aware of it yet?

K: About these people going to Cuba?

Z: Yeh. The way I'm handling it and I just wanted to check it with you was that there is no change in policy whatever, you know it's consistent with the Administration's policy of pending international conferences dealing with scientific and technological matters and it is without political implication or any other implication.

K: It is correct. Of course, the sons-of-bitches at State should have checked it with us.

Z: Well, and I'll make it on background - I'm making the point that to put down the Pierpont suggestion that this was a symbolic step toward normalization. No. 1 this conference was held in the United States three years ago and the Cubans. . . . No. 2 it was not a matter that was checked with NSC or the President.

K: Right because it was handled as a routine matter.

Z: As a routine matter. I'll put it in perspective that way. Don't you think?

K: That's right.

Z: OK. Anything else?

K: No, that's all.

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for Political Affairs
and the Press of the United States
Executive Office Building

By: J.M.L. NASA Date 5/13/72

TELCOM (San Clemente)
Taft Schreiber/Kissinger

9:52 a.m. - 7/10/72

K: Hello.

S: Hi, Henry.

K: Taft, how are you?

S: I need three or four answers about the number of people so we can tell which of the people. . .I need the answer as to the way you'd like the car to pick you up and bring you out here or what. I also need to make up the table cards and then I want to read you the letter I want to send the President and have your approval before I send it. Shall I read that first?

K: Why don't you do that first. Taft, you come across very faint.

S: Well, maybe I better call you back.

K: Let me call you right away.

S: All right - call me on my private line 769-2638.

K: All right - we'll dial it immediately.

S: Fine.

(Replaced call)

K: Hello.

S: Yes, Henry.

K: That's a lot better.

S: "Dear Mr. President: On Friday July 7 Dr. Kissinger had lunch with Ted Cummings and me and 8 Democrats and 1 Republican who recently committed substantial financial support to your election. To say that Henry mesmerized these men is putting it mildly. His talk was clear and made all of us proud of your great accomplishments. In a meeting with Norton Simon later at his home for dinner it is my feeling that Norton is totally in favor of your reelection. The extent of his support constitutes is still undetermined.

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S:(cont) "At the Simon dinner Cary Grant spoke of your great leadership and his admiration for Henry. Cary agreed to go publicly in support of you. On July 26 Henry will appear at a luncheon and dinner in New York to a predominantly Democratic group hosted by Max Fisher and myself and we expect to generate considerable support for your re-election. Your Henry if he repeats his performance on Friday will not only help to maintain these goals but create for you additional support."

K: Terrific.

S: That's as short as I could get it - you know I really should say . . . . . (barely audible). I want to say more but . . . You know with Cary Grant it is the first time in his whole career that he's ever come out publicly for anyone.

K: Well, that's terrific.

S: That's the real thrust of it. All right.

K: Good.

S: I'm trying to do it modestly. I'm not saying that we need more. . .

K: No, I think this will make the point very well.

S: And I'll send you a blind copy.

K: That would be marvelous.

S: Now on the party as I say we need the exact number.

K: Well, we're at 22 now, right? I've asked Sally Kellerman and I got Cary Grant and he's going to bring somebody but he hasn't told me yet whom.

S: All right. So if you want you have room for one more. If you don't, you don't have to.

K: Well, it's really - do we want to get Norton Simon. I don't think there's much percentage in getting Firestone.

S: No, I don't think so.

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K: We got him anyway.

S: That's right. I think if you want anymore I think one guy that would be absolutely overwhelmed if you invited him is Simon.

K: Why don't I ask him?

S: I think you ought to ask him. If he ever found out Paul was going and he wasn't, we'd lose him.

K: All right, I'll ask him. And I'll let your office know whether he's coming or not.

S: All right, so I know what we're doing. Now if your secretary would get on the phone and I'll get from her the information I need. The names, place cards, the number, everybody has to be called about the change to 8 o'clock because I think at one point we told everybody 7 o'clock.

K: I think we've told everybody 8 o'clock.

S: And then I want to know about the cards.

K: Now here is the thing. I was going to go to Santa Monica and then pick Dobrynin up at Century city. Now I will have one car but I don't think that will be enough with all my children and everyone there. How long does it take from the Century Plaza to your place.

S: 40 minutes.

K: Still I think it's better if I go right with him, don't you think?

S: Do you want me to have two cars?

K: No, I have one car myself. So if you have one car at the Century Plaza at 12:15.

S: I'll have a driver that knows you Henry. Actually a big car with a driver can take everybody and you can have the Secret Service follow you.

K: Or I'll have my kids in the Secret Service car.

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S: Oh great. Perfect. That'll be done then. 12:15 for Tuesday. Then you'll have - we'll have the car stay with him until - you don't have to worry about him getting to the dinner - and then after dinner either Rita or I will take him home in our car. That's within five blocks.

K: Right. And I told Sally Kellerman I'll pick her up. She lives in Hollywood.

S: Would you want the car to pick her up first?

K: What do you mean?

S: Well, if you're going to be in Santa Monica.

K: No, no, it's in the evening. I'm going to go from the Beverly Hills Hotel. That's only 10-15 minutes, isn't it?

S: To Hollywood, that's all.

K: I'll pick her up myself.

S: Do you want me to go and pick up Dobrynin to make him feel a little easier or should I have a car pick him up.

K: Why don't you pick him up.

S: I might pick him up - he might feel a little more at ease if I do it.

K: Yeh, cause then he'll know what to do.

S: Very good.

K: The only other thing we could do rather than have Norton Simon is to have somebody else from the White House. But which do you think would be better?

S: Haldeman, Ehrlichman, you mean?

K: Yeh.

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S: I really think that/these people here Haldeman would be a more impressive figure than Ehrlichman.

K: Oh he would. But is it better than Simon? I mean in the overall good it will do us?

S: I think that if you're trying to impress the people we're going to try to convert that extra mile with Simon will be very helpful. If you're trying to impress Dobrynin . . .

K: I don't have to impress Dobrynin.

S: Then - because Haldeman... well, frankly I think it will impress Haldeman no end because he's been so absolutely gung-ho gang-busters thing on getting talent and stars that I think the ease by which you did this would be . . . and the relationship you have with him would be most meaningful.

K: So that would be better than Simon.

S: I think from your standpoint. I'm talking about Henry Kissinger. I think the handling of yourself in front of these people and their affection for you will show up very much.

K: You better hand them a script to follow.

S: I don't have to hand them anything. You mesmerized them. . . You could if you want have Haldeman and also have Simon - go up to 26.

K: Then your seating gets screwed up again.

S: Look if it's over 12 people the party gets very large. 24 is no worse than 26.

K: Except 10 on each side is a little heavy.

S: Well if we had 8 on each side - in a square or 6 on two sides and 7 and 7 on the other sides. I think we could do that.

K: A square - that'd be good. Let me reflect about it. Let me talk to Haldeman. I'll let you know about these things. Now how about seating. You absolutely have to do that. I don't know these prima donnas.

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Ms. Sue's room
Publicity Dept.

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S: I'll do the seating and if anybody gives you trouble tell them your aide Schreiber is a louse. I've got the biggest broadest shoulders you ever saw. I know how to be the fall guy.

K: OK.

S: We'll work it out and you can tell everybody that you've been unfortunate, you've been away and you let me handle all of this.

K: Now I was at a dinner last night where Bookdonovitch was. I think you can get him if you do it low key.

S: Very interesting.

K: I really worked him over.

S: He's a very intelligent man.

K: Yeh, I liked him. In fact I need one more shot at him and I think we'll get him. He promised me he'd vote for Nixon.

S: That's very good. I think these reports you ought to pass along because maybe they'll leave you out here another couple of weeks. You might be able to mop up the whole town.

K: I think I could get a lot of these people. And we ought to really work on that when I come back out here. And I'd be glad to take a special trip out if we can get the right groups together. The reason it was tough for me on Friday was it was a too heterogeneous group.

S: Also the way they set up the party.

K: They were in another room there. They asked me to stop over.

S: What did you think: I said next time you do this, have dinner at 9:00, you're through at 10:00; everybody goes in, you make an announcement; make a toast; say, look, all of us want to ask Henry some questions. Why don't we go into the living room and sit around on the floor and ask questions. You'd have mashed them.

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K: That's right. But the way he did it was really very tough on me because I didn't want to make it a political speech.

S: Well, you shouldn't, but everybody has questions.

K: No that would have been ideal.

S: That's the way we should program these things.

K: Because it was a damn good group.

S: It was a wonderful group. Now, look, we'll program a lot of this when you get back, Henry, when we get the dates worked out. We'll have a half dozen of these.

K: Because I haven't been at one of these things yet where I didn't get one or two people.

S: Right.

K: I'm not even giving up on Zefferin. But let me handle him.

S: That's right. If McGovern is appointed, you've got a great chance. All right, are you goijg to get back to me and I will. . .

K: Good. So you will have a car at the Century Plaza or whatever that place is.

S: At 12:15.

K: At 12:15. I'll go there about 12 and say hello to them and then we'll go over at 4:00 to NBC.

S: The car will stay with you at 4:00 and take you back.

K: No. If Sally Kellerman gets screwed up with her filming, can you then send a car for her because I ought to be at the place to greet the people, shouldn't I?

S: Absolutely. I'll take care of it.

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K: Hello.

Z: Good morning, Henry. I'm sorry I didn't have my Kissinger pad in front of me when I talked with you earlier. Two questions. How do you want me to handle the Parade article, how deeply were you involved in that?

K: In the Parade article?

Z: Yes.

K: Not at all.

Z: Did you cooperate with Shearer in any way?

K: He called me and read me that stuff and I was just noncommittal one way or the other. You know, I didn't say it's all bull-shit because it mightn't be a bad article. But I'm not what the guy that they quote.

Z: Actually, the article is no problem. I just wondered how you wanted it handled. I could say, yes, Henry and the President...

K: Well, why don't you say yes. I mean that was one of our motives originally.

Z: Did you do it?

K: We did it once.

Z: I'll say, you know, not on the record basis, that from time to time the President and Henry would talk in the car.

K: I'd say yes. I see nothing to gain by denying it.

Z: No. Okay. Now the other thing. Tanaka -- there's an NBC report that the President was going to meet with before he went to the PRC. Do we have any, just off the record between you and me and then we'll go to the press garden, is there a plan for the President to see Tanaka.

K: Yes.

Z: Yes, there is. Would it be here or somewhere else.

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K: Probably in Hawaii if we do it.

Z: But not in connection with this trip.

K: I don't know that he's going to the PRC, Tanaka.

Z: Well, but separate the PRC, there's a plan to meet Tanaka some thought in your mind? Right?

K: Right. But really a thought in my mind.

Z: But there would not be a meeting at this time.

K: Not on this trip.

Z: Now moving to press gardens. The guys are, I don't know how this Hawaiian thing came up, but there's been speculation about that. I'm just going to say, look, gentlemen, there's no plan at this time to meet with Tanaka. Right?

K: Well, I'd say that can you leave it a little looser? Say, we, of course, we expect to be in close touch with Tanaka. The particular method in which this will be done has not been fully worked out -- something like that.

Z: Okay. But I can flatly deny there's any plan in the next two weeks to go to Hawaii?

K: Absolutely.

Z: Okay.

K: But don't get my (end of tape)

Z: On the record, I'll say just what you said.

K: As long as I've got you on the phone, Ron, did you see that interview that Sally Quinn did with that maniac Hunebelle?

Z: No, I didn't.

K: In the Style section?

Z: No.

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10:55 a.m., July 10, 1972

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5/12/72

K: Hello.

S: Yes, Henry.

K: Taft. Norton Simon was tickled pink so he's coming.

S: Great.

K: And on Halderman, I discussed it with him; he said he just wants us to do whatever we want for the success of the party. He doesn't give a damn one way or the other. So I said I would talk with you again. And I really do think he doesn't give a damn, so what do you think? Will it help with these people or not?

S: I think it will help with the people. It doesn't really help because you represent all that is in the government, but it will give us another place in the table, you follow, to surround some people about another government official, you follow?

K: Well, that's what I thought.

S: So I think it would be helpful if we had Bob and

K: Well, is it better to have Bob and another person I could invite as an alternative. There's my deputy, General Haig. I'm just thinking in terms what will impress these guys -- Halderman.

S: I think Halderman will impress everybody more than General Haig for a second man.

K: Okay. Well, I'll get Halderman.

S: Okay -- get Halderman. Now that will mean we will have 26.

K: Right, assuming Grant brings a girl.

S: Well, did he say he may or may not or what?

K: Well, he said he would get somebody and he would call me.

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S: Well, if he doesn't we can always get a girl. That isn't going to bother anything. I think that's just great.

K: Okay.

S: Now, we'll have the photographer for the party at cocktails.

K: That's all right. I've already talked to Dobrynin and that's fine with him.

S: Then we will not release them until you've checked them and Dobrynin checked them. There really for Dobrynin and you. But, if Dobrynin...

K: Oh, you can release them. Don't let's be too worried about it.

S: In other words, we can release them.

K: Yeah.

S: Great.

K: I mean we might as well get something out of it.

S: All right. Well, we'll shoot a hell of a lot in color and in black and white.

K: As long as they don't show in an embarrassing light.

S: No, no, that we wouldn't do.

K: That you wouldn't do anyway.

S: The fact is that we'll work it out so that somehow you'll have to be in during the week or we'll have to get them down to you to okay the proofs. Because I don't want to have anything released that you haven't okay'd.

K: Well, I'll be up, I think, on Thursday to speak with the LA Times.

S: All right that will be great. Okay, we have everything set, the car.

I'm

K: I'm going to start running for office myself.

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S: I'll tell you this. I've talked with San Francisco today to Mrs. Miller up there. Her husband is Chairman of the Board of Pacific Lighting, which is one of the largest utilities in America. She is kind of a co-chairman of the dinner up there. She wants Walter Hodge, Jr., to be the dinner chairman. Walter Hodge, Jr., she doesn't think she can get unless you are the guest there. She wants me to call the President. I just felt that...

K: Well, is that that telethon thing?

S: No, no. That's not the telethon thing. That's the inter-connect for the 30 dinners in the United States.

K: No, I can't do that.

S: But let me explain something. This is not public. This is only for the peoples -- the $1000 peoples.-- that are the President's supporters. But what I thought we could do is to have a luncheon up there. They said the difference between their having a dinner that will get $100,000 which is what they got the last time and a half million to $600,000 is you. Because the biggest money up there are people that are very liberal, very modern. And whether they are Jewish or Gentile, that's what the story is.

K: Well, I don't want to speak to all-Jewish groups anyway.

S: No. This is not. This is a dinner, you follow? Now, I thought I could do I'm going to tell you I've got to say this to Halderman. I've got to tell him that the request has been made, you see. So I'll tell him so you may be pushed into it.

K: Well, nobody pushes me that I don't want to.

S: I'm just teasing. Let me explain it to you. The President has never carried northern California. He's never carried San Francisco. You don't know what happens from the luncheon you had. It's like wildfire in town. It's all over the town that you spoke to some people and you reassured the people and the word is that the President and this Administration's foreign policy is something this country has never had before. They got it from the horse's mouth. That's not to be believed. Everybody's been on the phone. The guy's told their wives; their wives got on the phone -- it's like wildfire. Because it's hard, you're too close to yourself. You don't realize the charisman, the style, the power you have. And apparently they

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got it up in San Francisco already.

K: Well, if you can arrange a lunch that I'll do. But not on this trip or do you want....

S: No, no. The lunch and the dinner will be all on September 26. Something like that. I think that really if we can get Walter Hodge, Jr., to take the dinner up there along with Mrs. Miller.

K: But I can't speak on a 30-dinner interconnect. That I cannot do.

S: No, no, you'd only speak to San Francisco coworkers. You'd not speak at all on the interconnect.

K: But would it be recorded?

S: No, no, absolutely not. You'd just be the guest of honor at this one dinner. We would not, we would interconnect San Francisco to see what is going on in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, you follow. But we would not have a pick up out of San Francisco.

K: Well, if you can work that out I might do it.

S: Well, let me talk to Bob about it and explain what's been going on, and I'm going to send... of course, Bob will see this mail or should I send a copy of it to Bob and tell him to call me?

K: Why don't you send a copy of it to Bob.

S: Then I'll tell him I've got to talk with him after he gets it. I'll take care of it. Now we're going to be up to 26 and we'll let you know.

K: And we'll stop there.

S: All right, fine, great, no problem.

K: Good.

S: Talk to you later.

K: Bye.

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July 10, 1972

NASA, Data

K: Hello.

H: Hi.

K: Bob, I talked to Taft and he thinks it might be sort of good if you would come because it would give us a chance, you know to sit down some people with others seeing the White House personnel.

H: Okay.

K: So, if you wouldn't mind coming. Now, he is carrying on like a maniac about the impact he saw me make on Friday at the various groups, because, you know, I got groups we couldn't even talk to and now he wants me to go up to San Francisco to a group he's got up there, but I told him to take it up with you that I just can't schedule myself, I don't know the situation.

H: Yeah. Well, let me talk to him about it. Cause if we get the right group, it might be a very good thing to do.

K: Well, you know how he is; he's got no sense, but he claims that it might be in San Francisco might make the difference between we're carrying northern California or not. Now, that's nuts.

H: No, but it could be - have a tremendous effect. If it's the right set-up.

K: The difference here and in the East Coast, even the Democrats are not as dogmatic. So you can take a lot of them and their enthusiasm away.

H: I think that's right.

K: You know, like I did with Nicholson. I didn't get him for us, but I did get a promise that he wouldn't come out for McGovern.

H: Well, that's good. Every bit of that helps.

K: Okay. He's writing a letter to the President he said. I told him to just talk to you.

H: Okay. Well, I'll catch him tomorrow night.

K: Okay. Well, you be at the Bistro tomorrow night at 8:00.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)
William Taub/Kissinger
1:20 p.m. - 7/10/72

K: Hello.

T: Hello, how are you?

K: Fine, I'm sorry I couldn't get back to you earlier. Now I have talked to my colleagues about this situation and their feeling is very similar to the one I gave you. We are looking at Hoffa's legal situation within the legal framework; that is to say on the merits of the case. We can't get it raised up in a hypothetical negotiation on foreign policy. Without any prejudice to his basic situation they are looking at it in the Department of Justice and the people handling the matter here now are also looking at it. Now a diplomatic mission might be suitable - that I will know better after the 20th and I have no objection to Mr. Gibbon's going, but I don't exclude looking at the other situation but we can't bring the two in conjunction with each other.

T: How do you think we should go about doing what should be done?

K: Why don't we say to wait until after the 20th.

T: We have been asked to name a day - whether he would or would not come. He asked me to come early tomorrow morning so that I could give a reply abroad.

K: Well, I would recommend you stall for two weeks on a date.

T: That would take us to about the 25th.

K: Well, give or take 2 or 3 days.

T: Are you going to Paris yourself this week?

K: No, but I don't talk about my movements anyway.

T: Yes. Your advice would be to give no reply?

K: Not to give a reply or say the plans are unclear and we will give a reply in two weeks.

T: So we don't say yes or no, but...

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Alex Johnson/Kissinger

July 10, 1972 (approx.)

K: Alex, we are having a phenomenal problem with the Vice President and this goddamn Yakovos.

J: Yeh, I'll say we are.

K: I've talked to the President and we all agreed that the United States should not get involved in putting pressure on it.

J: We were trying to get the ______ to issue him a visa. I mean let him in. And we were pulling out all the stops on this.

K: Right. Even that went probably too far. We do not want to bring pressure.

J: All right. If he doesn't get in then it's all right with us.

K: It's all right with us. Now we have only one tactical problem with the Vice President where I was wondering whether you could help. He wants to send an unofficial message to the Turkish President. Now if we block him completely, he'll figure out some way of getting it to him and confuse the Turks. I was wondering whether you could have a talk with the Turkish Ambassador.

J: The Turkish Ambassador is not here.

K: Now Alex there are two things we can do. I can either tell Agnew he should deliver the message to you and you'd get it over there and have Hanley say there is no standing whatsoever.

J: Now we were trying to get something from the Secretary to inform ______ on this.

K: Well, I don't think we should do that. Nor does anyone here, do you?

J: Well, I do. I do think that they're making an awful mistake by keeping this fellow out under these circumstances I think it's going to aggravate the Greeks and cause a flare back here and just simply from the standpoint of their own image of their country they're making a bad mistake here. It's on those grounds that we've been making the approaches on this.

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K: Yeh, but don't you think they've got the point now.

J: Well, I'm not sure whether they have - they may have, yes. I would not mind sending something from the Vice President. I'm a little more inclined than I think you are out there to save them from themselves. That's the approach that we've been taking here on this. Obviously the Government don't give a damn.

K: But what would you do concretely?

J: I can't do anything more than we've done. Kennedy is pointing this out to them and urging them to ______ come in for the funeral together with the ecumenical group. You see we thought that having him come as part of the ecumenical religious group would ease the Turkish problem.

K: What is the Turkish problem?

J: Oh, as I understand it now it goes back to whether this church is the Turkish church or whether.

K: Oh, yeh, it's the old problem.

J: It's the old problem and the fact that he wasn't taking the Patriarch's place and the Turks are insisting that the ______ of Turkey take his place. He was there a couple of years ago and got into a hassle with the Turks at that time and said some things about the Turks when he got back here which made them very unhappy.

K: Yeh.

J: Now what I think he's likely to do - you know he's just gone ______ on this in calling Cardinal Cooke and all the others and inviting them to along there. I think he's likely to get on the plane. . . . in the first place they won't let him in and they can arrest him for deporting before he gets there. He could have a real hassle there. A real public hassle.

K: Yeh, but who gives a damn about Turkey. I mean there's a limit to the concern that people have on that.

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J: Yeh, I understand. You understand why we did this?

K: No, you did the right thing up to now. The question is what do you do now?

J: I would be prepared to transmit a message from the Vice President as far as I'm concerned.

K: Yeh, but we want to make absolutely sure it's not a governmental message.

J: We can't do that, of course, because the Vice President is the Vice President.

K: What do you mean you can't do it? You can't do it in his capacity as a...

J: Yeh, we can say this is personal from the Vice President. But you can't get around the fact that it's from the Vice President and therefore it is difficult to say that it's not official -it's official from the Vice President.

J: If that's the case I think it's better for Rogers to do it.

J: I think that Rogers may have already done it. I haven't got a call back on this yet. We talked about this earlier this morning and I told him to go ahead and get in touch with you and see whether he wouldn't want to do it or not. I can find out about that.

K: Right. Then I think we ought to let it go at that.

J: I would prefer there not be a message from the Vice President frankly.

K: If you put it to the Secretary, so then the Secretary has either done it or not done it. I think that's about as much as we can do.

J: I agree. I agree.

K: Can you let me know what the Secretary did?

J: Yes, sure thing. I'll find out if we've heard anything from the Vice President and let me call you back.

K: OK.

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Alex Johnson/Kissinger/Davies

July 10 (approx.) 1972

J: Henry.

K: Yes Alex.

J: I got Roger Davies also on this line. He has some new information. Roger just got a call from Bill Hanley. Roger would you repeat this to Henry.

D: Yes, we got just a short confirming telegram in now. Bill says that the Director General of the Foreign Office had been in touch with the Prime Minister who. . . . . . . . . with members of the student government. Word came back that it was considered against the third major Turk National ______ to . . . . . . (Inaudible)

K: Well then we just have to knock it off, don't you think?

J: Incidentally, a letter has not gone out from the Secretary. Now Roger has talked to Norm Kaplan (?) and . .

D: I gave him the whole story putting the facts concerning the official delegation. . . . . . . and he feels that we have done the maximum and he understands completely what the mood is. . . . . . . . what he did say and he feels very strongly that there should be some representation from the North American Orthodox Church. He would be willing, if necessary to charter a plane and go out and get them.

K: Well, that's already been turned down.

D: Our representatives have to be Consul Generals or Ambassadors. It might not be bad. . .

K: Well, if we can get it done before spilling any more blood. My whole sense is to stay the hell out of it now

J: That's my feeling. If Tom wants to go or if the Church here wants to send somebody on their own it is entirely in their hands. And we pull out of this thing.

K: I think that's exactly our feeling and that's the President's feeling.

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J: Will you have any problem with that, Roger?

D: No.

K: No, the President you know up to the limits where our interests are involved would like to be of help to the Vice President but I think we've reached that point

D: ... if we go further we're going to damage our relationship.

K: In that case we have to abide by the Ambassador's judgment.

D: I think it's clear we've done the maximum.

K: You will be under no further pressure from us and we will turn off the Vice President.

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J: You will turn/off.

K: Yeh, let me take that happy chore on.

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