The following is the original record
of the call of a confidential
Telephone Call?

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

6/11/72

NASA Date 5/12/72

TELCOM

Rowland Evans/Mr. Kissinger

11:07 a.m., June 6, 1972

K: Hello

R: Henry.

K: Is this the same as Evans?

R: How are you?

K: Are you ready for the resumption of your daily briefing.

R: I want to see you very much but that's not what I called about.
Can I talk to you confidentially?

K: Of course.

R: You going to have lunch with Stu?

K: Yeah.

R: He's in very bad shape, very, very bad shape.

K: Physically?

R: Yeah. And he's going in the hospital tomorrow and this is strictly
between you and me but it's very, very serious.

K: That's what I figured.

R: So I just wanted to alert you on that. Are you going out to his
house?

K: Yeah. Should I not do it?

R: Oh, no, you must do it.

K: That's what I thought.

R: Oh, no; absolutely.

K: Actually I was thinking of cancelling it and switching it but then I
thought --

R: No, you can't switch it.

K: No, no; I understand that. I've given up the idea.

Re: your leaveville open line call

Mr. Donn, can I talk to you about my leave

Preferably now?

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.5

By: K.L. L.

NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

TELCORN

Rowland Evans/Mr. Kissinger

11:07 am, June 6, 1972

E: You know, don't tell him I -- don't tell him that you know all this.

K: No, no; it was clear to me when the doctors wouldn't let him go to a restaurant.

E: It's very, very serious right now. I spent yesterday with him and last night and he's looking very much forward to seeing you and help him all you can.

K: Well, you can count on it, Rolly, and you're a great human being.

E: And I'll see you soon.

K: Yes. And I appreciate your calling me. I'll be out there, you can count on it.

The President/Mr. Kissinger
the Vice President
PRESIDENT'S OFFICE

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L. W. HASA, Date: 5/12/94

TELCOM
The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:45 a.m., June 6, 1972

P: Hi, Henry.

K: Mr. President.

P: What about your situation, can you go up to Camp David?

K: Yes, Mr. President, I'll be glad to; it depends on what time.

P: Yeah, what is your situation?

K: Well, the situation is I had promised Stu Alsop, who is probably going to be in very bad shape in the next few weeks, he's entering the hospital tomorrow, that I'd drop by his house tomorrow between 12:00 and 1:00.

P: Yeah.

K: But in the early afternoon I could go.

P: Yeah. About what time then so we could set the time.

K: Say 2:30.

P: Leave about 2:30.

K: Or 2:00. 2:30 would be safer

P: 2:30 is fine. All right, we'll plan to leave at 2:30.

K: Right.

P: All right, Henry, fine. Oh, look, the only one thing that I have to get you to take a quick gander of is that U.S. News article.

K: Right. I've already started on it.

P: Well, bring it along with you. And if you've got any questions, we can get it over because it will come out a week from Sunday which is not a bad time and it will get a good written news play on it.

K: Right.

P: Sure. All right, 2:30 is just fine.

K: Right, Mr. President.

The New York Times and Washington Post
the Senate and House of Representatives

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.5

TELCONE

Gerard Smith/Kissinger

12:08 p.m., June 6, 1972

S: Henry, Gerry Smith.

K: Hello Gerry, how are you?

S: Good. I mentioned last week that I had this invitation to talk to talk to the Republican Study Group tomorrow morning and your thought then was that that was all right to go ahead.

K: Yeah.

S: I hear through John Lehman, I think, to our people that there is some question as to whether one should go ahead with that and I don't want to go ahead with that if there is a question on it.

K: I don't see any reason why not.

S: I think the reason was that until the submission of the papers it would be well to knock off any briefings of the Hill.

K: Don't you think that is wrong?

S: I think with a group like this where it is informal and they don't know anything about the subject it is all right. I have gently rebuffed people like the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy because I thought it was not the appropriate before the submission to have a formal report.

K: I would go ahead on an informal basis.

S: All right and then I have a similar commitment to the senior businessmen meeting in the State Dept. tomorrow or Thursday and then I have this ______ job for you at the Council on Friday, in N. Y.

K: Oh, you're doing that, good. I think these are all fine.

S: I understand we are going to have a verification panel meeting tomorrow. I would like to sit down with you a minute before that

K: No one has told me about that yet. My bureaucracy is totally out of control at this moment.

S: I have no troubles Henry.

The President's Office in the Senate
The Senate of the Republic of Peru
Peru - The Capital of the World

By: KHLU

NNSA Date: 5/13/04

[not on tape]

TELCOM
Secretary Richardson/Mr. Kissinger
8:10 p.m., June 6, 1972

R: I am going to amputate my trip to Japan and I'll be coming back Monday afternoon and I understand you are coming back Monday.

K: There's a good chance of it, yes.

R: When do you presently plan to come back?

K: It is almost certainly going to be Monday afternoon.

R: Would you have any room in your plane for me and Ann and the people coming back with us?

K: How many of you are there?

R: Four.

K: I am sure.

R: I have been discussing with Ann the brevity of the time and whether she should come along in which case it would be just three.

K: Let me check and I will let you know first thing in the morning.

R: I am now leaving Thursday morning so it will be a pretty short trip.

K: Mine is even shorter.

R: There is too much of it around here.

K: I am sure we can work it out. I will check on it and let you know.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

Re: phone call from the oper to
of the Macs at 4:00 pm.

6/6/72 NASA Date 5/12/64

TELCONE

Dave Kraslow/Kissinger

8:30 p.m. - 6/6/72

DK: You can't indicate whether or not you came away from the Soviet
talks a bit more hopeful that something might develop?

HK: I just - you know everyone has talked so much I think the best
thing we all can do now is to keep quiet.

DK: Is there anything imminent?

HK: I just frankly don't want to talk about the situation.

DK: Then certainly you don't anticipate anything developing before you
return from Japan.

HK: No.

DK: Did you ever get to talk to Stanton before you left Henry?

HK: No, but I will call him tomorrow.

DK: Well, as you wish I think I'm putting you out.

HK: You are not putting me out. It's just absolutely - it fell between
the cracks and then I thought of it in Austria and then I thought if
I do it now I'll make a Federal case of it.

DK: No, no don't.

HK: I will call him tomorrow and you are not putting me out. Believe me.

DK: I'm going through a time period as you might well imagine and I hope
whatever you do it's done in a way that the man doesn't feel pressured
or anything of that sort.

HK: That's why I didn't want to call him from Austria.

DK: Right. I'll leave it entirely up to your discretion.

HK: No, you can be sure I'll call him tomorrow.

DK: Well, you're leaving Thursday.

HK: I'm leaving Thursday evening.

The President's Office in the State Department

Assistant Secretary

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.5

By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/12/04

DK: Right.

HK: Are you still in your job?

DK: Yes, I'm still in my job but, as Bureau Chief, and I do have the option of staying on as a reporter but I would like to get out.

HK: Who's being made Bureau Chief?

DK: Pardon?

HK: Are you being replaced as Bureau Chief?

DK: Yes.

HK: By who?

DK: John Lawrence who is now the financial editor.

HK: That's a rough outfit you're working for.

DK: I'm telling you, Henry, it's a hard ______; it's an atrocity story.

HK: But why is it happening to the best guys?

DK: I don't understand it and we put together such a good Bureau. It's really unbelievable! You know and I'm in a real bind now because of my age and experience. I may have to go to work for Henry Kissinger, I don't know.

HK: But; why would they do it?

DK: Because there are guys out there at the Managing Editors level and below who do not want me as Bureau Chief in the first place and when Donovan got clobbered they looked upon me as Donovan's man and I was Donovan's man. I was his heir-designee and . . .

HK: Where is Donovan now?

DK: Donovan is back here but he has a ______ chair. He's an associate editor. He's got a title. He writes a piece or two a week but he's devoting most of his energies to a massive on Truman. He signed a book contract but he's got a name and the stature where he's got a ______ chair practically. He's all cut up over this damn thing and because it just reopens all the old wounds. So it's a rough outfit.

OCLASSIFICO
E.O. 12958, Secl. 3.5

Hijos de la Victoria, 3 de octubre
de la Fuerza Armada
Recuperado sinatak

6. de oct. NARA. Data 5/13/04

3

HK: Brutal business.

DK: Very brutal. Very brutal. You don't know the half of it.
And I will tell you the story when and if you want to know it but
it's a mess. It's a real mess.

HK: Well, I'll call Stanton tomorrow. You can count on it.

DK: I don't want it to occur in a way in which...

HK: Well, that's why I didn't want to call from Austria. Has anything
ever come from the Rockefeller conversation?

DK: NO. Nothing. I went up to New York. I think he is primarily
interested in a speech writer and that's not what I want to do.
There didn't seem to be anything else in his organization. I felt
that I was pressuring you if I pursued that any further so I just
let it lie and they haven't come back at me so - and that's the way
I left it.

HK: I'll talk to Nelson.

DK: Well, I don't know. I don't know whether that'll do any good or not
in terms of...

HK: Well maybe there's something in his part of the organization.

done

DK: I hope if you do talk to Stanton that it's done in a way in which I
know absolutely nothing about it.

HK: That's obvious.

DK: And any conversations that you may have because of trying to talk
to another network now, I wouldn't want them to think that I'm getting
something started up where...

HK: Dave, My experience has been that the more you get started in this
insecure country the better off you are. People don't know you're
good unless somebody else wants you.

DK: That's right. To you I am indebted.

HK: I haven't done a goddamn thing.

Re: a phone call to the president
in the State of Florida
Public Records Staff

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sect. 3.6

TELCOM

Secretary Peterson/Kissinger

9:48 a.m. - 6/7/72

P: Henry, where are you?

K: I'm in my office.

P: Oh, are you here? Good.

K: Well, he decided he was mad at the weather so he came up here where the weather was good. Now the weather's good in Miami and lousy here.

P: Well, gee, I'd be delighted to see you. When can we do it?

K: I have a lunch today which I could possibly set for tomorrow since you turned me down.

P: Oh, you bastard you. Henry, I've got a couple of good lines I plan to use about you Kissinger... tomorrow night at the Japan Society.

K: What are they?

P: They're just very good. When I see you I'll let you read them. I don't want your paranoia to get overly developed.

K: Listen it's in great shape as it is.

P: I tell you what I could see you - could you have an early lunch?

K: Like what?

P: Like quarter of twelve.

K: No, that's kind of bad.

P: When could you do it?

K: About 12:30 or 1:00.

P: Problem is I've got to fly to New York today and the latest I could leave is 1:30.

K: The 1:30 flight.

Re: [insert telephone number here]

To: [insert name here]

From: [insert name here]

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW
NASA Date: 5/12/64

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P: I could perhaps leave as late as a quarter of two.

K: You mean leave the office at a quarter of two.

P: No, leave the airport at a quarter of two.

K: The fact that there's no plane at a quarter of two doesn't bother you.

P: No, no I have a plane as a matter of fact, Henry.

K: Well, since when are Cabinet members getting...

P: I didn't tell you what kind, Henry or what the circumstances are.

K: Oh, wait a minute, No. I can't do it. It was going to be lunch with Stewart Alsop today and I was going to shift him until tomorrow but I understand he's going to the hospital tomorrow. The poor guy.

P: Yes, he's in bad shape. What about this morning? I'm coming over to see Shultz in three or four minutes. What are you doing around 11:00?

K: Let's see. Well, if you don't leak it to the papers that you've seen me, I'll see you around 11:00 then.

P: I always assume there are limits to your melogomania, but I am revising that. All right about 11:00.

K: About 11:00. Sit in the lobby about 15 minutes before you want to see me because I can't let you come in right away.

P: I see. All right, Henry.

K: You know I've got to have people look at you and wonder whom is he waiting for - it can't be the President, it must be Kissinger.

P: I'll be waiting out there looking at my watch perhaps impatiently. Would that suit your purpose?

K: No, I have a meeting at 10:00 but that should be over by 10:30 or 10:45.

P: All right. I'll come down as soon as I get done with Shultz.

K: Good. Terrific.

Receptionist's Office, 6-10 p.m.
the Office of a mutual
Receptionist's Note

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295B, Sec. 3.6

By: KHLW

NASHA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCONE
Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

10:12 a.m., June 7, 1972

K: How are You?

H: Okay. Are you coming up to glorious Camp David?

K: I was afraid -- I guess I can't escape it.

H: You want to escape it?

K: Well, if I can leave early in the morning, it's all right. You see, I've got to pack tomorrow.

H: Sure.

K: What does he have on his mind?

H: I think he just wants to talk.

K: Okay, I'll come up.

H: I haven't talked to him today. I wanted to check with you. If it's a real problem for you, I'll see if we can soothe it down.

K: But your judgment is that it's better for me to come up?

H: If you can do it without really throwing you into a problem, yeah.

K: You know, it will shoot tomorrow morning's schedule but it's possible. No, I'll come up. I'll tell you, I'll come up; I'll be up around 6:00 for dinner. Is that all right?

H: I would think so. If you'd rather not, if you want me to play it slightly negative and see if we can back it off for you?

K: I think his feelings would get hurt.

H: Yeah. Maybe.

K: Don't you? I mean, he's made -- It also may be useful for him and me to have a talk before I go off. So I'll come up for dinner; I'll be up around 6:00 - 6:30.

H: Okay.

K: Are we eating together or what does he do?

A. M. E. T. C. of the open class
Sailor, Seaman or Merchant
U. S. Navy

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.5

By: K.L.S.

NARA. Data: 5/12/74

- 2 -

TELCOM

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

10:12 a.m., June 7, 1972

H: What?

K: Do I eat with him or what does he do in the evening?

H: I'm sorry I couldn't hear you.

K: Do I have dinner with him then or with you or --

H: I think so, yeah.

K: The three of us?

H: The two of you.

K: No, you join us.

H: No, no.

K: You bastard.

H: I never eat with the big boys.

K: Okay, I'll come up around 6:00 - 6:30.

H: You ought to plan to be here at 6:00 if you can.

K: Okay, that means I have to leave at 5:00 right?

H: About yeah. Can you do that?

K: Yeah.

H: Okay. Then are you still going to shoot for trying to send the Treaty up tomorrow?

K: Or Monday.

H: I was just looking over some of this freeze stuff and all, I just wonder if we aren't better off to wait until Monday.

K: All right, let's wait. You mean, because we're doing well enough as it is?

H: We're doing well enough as it is plus we ought to lay the groundwork for having all our ducks in a row when we send it out.

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW
NASA Date: 5/12/72

3

10:12 a.m., June 7, 1972

K: Okay, let's wait until Monday or Tuesday.

H: And it will give us just that much more time.

K: I agree.

H: I don't think we gain anything and I think maybe we lose something by sending it tomorrow.

K: Well, I had a meeting this morning with Stennis --

H: Oh, that's right, how did that go?

K: Excellent. Thurmond is completely behind us.

H: Really. Publicly so?

K: Oh, yeah.

H: No kidding.

K: Yeah.

H: That's great. Was Tower there?

K: No. Pastore, completely behind us. Well, they were all behind us; Hebert totally behind us, Arends,

H: Good.

K: The Wall Street Journal -- I would prefer it next week because the Wall Street Journal has just written me a letter saying they are dubious about the Treaty but before they go final against it, they want to talk to me.

H: U-huh.

K: And I can't see them now before next Tuesday or Wednesday.

H: Well, see that's the point, it seems to me there's still some more groundwork that could be laid and we could just be that much more positive.

K: Okay.

Re: [illegible text] in the open box
in the box, one of the documents
Papers of the State Department

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L. W. NASHA, Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM
Ambassador Ingersoll/Mr. Kissinger

10:26 a.m., June 7, 1972

I: Hello, Mr. Kissinger

K: Can you hear me?

I: Yes, sir.

K: I just wanted to check on one thing that concerns me -- first of all, I look forward to seeing you whenever it is.

I: That's fine.

K: I'm losing track of time.

I: On Friday evening.

K: Right, I'll probably still be on Moscow time. But what I feel very strongly about and really will not compromise on -- I will not be made prisoner in the Okura Hotel. I just cannot go as a Presidential assistant to Tokyo -- to an allied country, withdraw into a suite and not emerge until I go to the -- back to the airport. So I want the Embassy briefings at the Embassy.

I: Uh-huh.

K: And I'm going to walk over there and I don't care what they have to do to get me there

I: Okay.

K: And I would like -- Now, let's see, on Sunday, the breakfast with Fukuda is at his place, right?

I: Yes.

K: Okay. Well, I want to keep it his place.

I: His place. And the dinner with the Prime Minister is at his residence.

K: Right. Now, I would like --

I: The visit to the museum is of course outside the hotel.

K: Right. I'm amazed they didn't move the museum into the hotel.

["H. J. S. H. J. S. H. H. S. H. J. S. H. H. S. S. H. J. S. H. H. S. S. H. J. S. H. H

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Re: [insert telephone number]
Re: [insert name of recipient]
Re: [insert document title]

6/21/72
NASA Date 5/12/72

TELCONE

Dick Cook/Mr. Kissinger

10:35 a.m., June 7, 1972

C: Henry, I just talked to Clark. We've got a very serious situation in the Foreign Affairs Committee, as you know. ... mark up on an end-the-war Resolution, we've never lost in the House. They are within one or two votes and Doc Morgan is under stern pressure from the Democratic Caucas. It doesn't look good, it looks tight. Could I get Morgand and Bill Mailliard -- Morgan's meeting with the Democrats at 2:00 o'clock this afternoon, Mailliard with the Republicans at 4:00 -- can I get them down with you for 20 minutes maximum? What they need is a little fill-in background on the rational of holding tight for a little longer with respect to what transpired in Moscow, most of whom can be trusted implicitly of course. And have proven so in the last three years but they have just got to be backstopped and we can't get them in with the President today.

K: Well, there's no choice. When?

C: Anytime between now and 1 o'clock if I can lay it on, either up there or down here --

K: It's out of the question up there.

C: Okay. In your office, what time?

K: 11:30.

C: I'll shoot for that and be right back to your secretary.

K: Good.

Husqville, France
The State of the Union
A Report by a Democratic Student

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E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

TELCONE

Ehrlichman/Kissinger

10:45 a.m. - 6/7/72

K: Hello.

E: Hi, Henry.

K: How are you?

E: Good. Say, I have a substantive thing that I want to ask you about and then a personnel problem.

K: Right.

E: First is the Endangered Species Convention. It was something that I understand you suggested be postponed until after the China trip. Do you remember that?

K: Yes, but I forget what the reason was.

E: Well, the reason was an embarrassment as to which Chinas to invite.

K: Yes. Where are you calling from - Sweden?

E: Yes. I'm at the Embassy. This is coming up again and there's a lot of pressure for this convention. Crane (?) asked me to talk with you about it. What happened was - we announced that we were going to convene this meeting to develop this Convention. Then we silently postponed it. Now there is a lot of pressure for it again. The United States would like to be forthcoming on it and say yes, we're going to have it and we're going to have it in November. If we don't then what'll happen is that the United Nations will do it and we won't have any control over it.

K: But so what? We won't have control over it anyway.

E: Well, the people who know about it say that that's important. I don't know. . .

K: That's their compulsion. That's the State Department compulsion always.

E: Would you prefer to have it done under your auspices?

K: Frankly I don't know. Can I look into it and call you back.

H. E. T. U. S. Air Force
U. S. Air Force
U. S. Air Force

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: K.L. W.

NASA Date 5/12/04

E: Why don't you do this - look into it and have somebody cable Crane.

K: Right.

E: Will you do that?

K: Yes.

E: OK. Now the other thing is that we have on this delegation as you know, quite a number of people who are here more or less as guests of the President. The arrangements have been prepared by the State Department Office of International Conferences and under a fellow named

SANITIZED
is an unadulterated disaster.
He is unsatisfactory in every particular that I have been able to identify. I talked to Herter about it and Herter said "Well, you know State Department crammed him down my throat. I didn't want him anyway." And I said, "Well Chris, then the easy thing to do is simply to have him recalled." He said, "I would have no objection to that at all, but it would be very embarrassing for me to ask the State Department to do it." And I said "Well, I'm not easily embarrassed, I'll be glad to do it."

K: OK. Let me see whether we can get it done.

E: OK, I would appreciate it. The fellow is very negative. He does not have the interests of the delegation at heart, obviously he is just putting his time in over here and thinking up reasons not to do things.

I have also landed very hard on their... He is a fellow named I think he is salvageable and he was more worried about what the papers in London and Rome were going to say about this Conference then the New York Times or the Kansas City Star. I think we've got him reoriented. So we'll leave him as is but I would like to be sure that Bill Rogers simply sends a cable in here telling this guy to come home on the next airplane.

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K: OK.

E: Then that'll make do with other people and it'll certainly be better. Also it'll send a signal to the rest of the State Department people involved in this thing that they better shape up or they'll be shipped out.

K: Right.

E: Thank you, Henry.

Re: question about the report he got in
the State of California
Preliminary Search?

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Rowland Evans/Kissinger

10:50 a.m. - 6/7/72

E: Henry.

K: Rowland, how are you?

E: How was it yesterday?

K: I thought he was in better shape then I was afraid he'd be.

E: He looks fine - that's the thing. He went into the hospital this morning. I have a terrible fear that he may not come out of that hospital.

K: That's my fear, too.

E: But I'm sorry I hung up on you yesterday.

K: No, no, I understood it. It wasn't directed at me.

E: When are you leaving?

K: Tomorrow night.

E: You wouldn't have a minute would you today?

K: No.

E: How about tomorrow morning?

K: I'll try but I'm afraid. . .

E: Wednesday breakfast?

K: No, I have to go up to Camp David tonight. I don't know when I'll be back.

E: What do you make of this Connally thing, Henry? Can you talk to me about it?

K: I think he's after my job.

E: I think he's after the Secretary of State's, don't you? Why send him on this kind of mission?

H. E. T. D. H. R. E. F. I. C.
S. O. F. S. O. F. R. E. A.
U. S. A. R. E. A. F. I. C.

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K: Oh, I think you have to look at that also in terms of wanting to keep him visible.

E: Yes, yes, yes. You don't think the Connally thing - there is no decision on anything like that.

K: On what?

E: On the cabinet.

K: No. will

E: Well, when/you get back from Japan?

K: Monday night or Tuesday morning.

E: Well, obviously you're going to be tied up so I won't even call you tomorrow, but do you think you could have breakfast with me when you come back next week?

K: I'll do my damndest. I really will.

E: You want me to talk to anybody over there about it?

K: Monday - call on Monday and let's try for Wednesday or Thursday.

E: Wednesday or Thursday morning.

K: Right. Look, I appreciate everything you're doing for Stewart. It's a really big thing.

E: Oh, forget it.

you

K: Well, if you think of all the sons-of-bitches that wouldn't miss. I mean I know it's a profuse thing to say but he's such a great human being. Now I have that same fear that you do. They're giving him fake fluid.

E: That's right. He's going to be very, very sick for a couple of weeks. Very high fever. They're trying to activate the normal mechanism in the . . .

K: Of course, the problem of the white corpuscles. I always thought infection is very dangerous.

E: Well, it is. Of course, it is. But that's what they're going to try to activate. They think that's what may have happened last fall - that the blood started to do what it's supposed to do and they're trying to see

Hypothetical Title of the open letter
To the Secretary of Defense
Re: Defense Procurement Policy?

By: KML V NASA Date: 5/12/04

infection

whether they can get a ______ in effect by inducing an extension
and then hope that the blood will start to turn out white corpuscles
but it's a very, very long job and if it doesn't work I think it's . . .
curtains.

K: But it's probably just as . . . you know. It's heartbreaking. He's
one of the most moving people I've met here.

E: All right, I'll let you go and - what about Laird? Is that what you
expected - Laird's testimony? Don't you think he went a little bit overboard?

K: Between you and me - yes.

E: That's what I . . .

K: We don't have to do that now.

E: Well, he's got a lot of people to contend with over in the Pentagon, I
guess.

K: Yes, but you know a lot of the military are using this to get well on.

E: Right, right.

K: OK, Rollie.

E: Thank you, Henry.

K: See you soon.

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Amb. Rabin/Kissinger

11:25 a.m. - 6/7/72

K: Hello.

R: Hello. Good morning. How are you?

K: Fine.

R: You remember I mentioned something about a piece of information that we had about a visitor. I got it and I'm ready to present it to you if you are interested.

K: Very much.

R: All right I'll find a way. I don't believe - I know that you are very busy.

K: Can you give it to General Haig - or to me?

R: All right.

K: Or just have it delivered.

R: All right and we'll give it to the other person also as we did in the past.

K: Exactly and I will not mention that we have it.

R: Yes. And I hope that once you return from your trip to Japan we will have the opportunity to talk.

K: Absolutely.

R: All right I'll send it to Haig.

K: Good.

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Mr. Kissinger/Senator Fulbright

6/7/72 12:32

SF: Good morning, Henry how are you.

HAK: Fine, how are you?

SF: Fine. You all did a good job the other morning. Was most informative and excellent presentation.

HAK: It was the labor of love.

SF: I suspected that--excellent job.

HAK: I was wondering whether I go off to Japan we might want to have lunch say tomorrow just to chat about this or anything else you might have on your mind.

SF: Just a minute. Hold please

HAK: Do you want to go the Sans Souci and scandalize everyone again.

SF: What do you want?

HAK: That we go to the Sans Souci-- will you see me there without a young lady friend?

SF: Oh yes. Fine

HAK: 1:00

SF: I'll be there at 1:00

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Mr. Kissinger/Mr. Nigorski

2:32 p. m. 6/7/72

N: What can you do about your visit here?

HAK: I can't do it on the 15th because we have a State dinner here, and I cannot really do it on the 14th--I am coming back on the 12th and I am doing another thing on the 13th and If I don't get an evening free here I will lose my mind.

N: And the 15th is impossible. 16th too?

HAK: Shouldn't have been scheduled on the 15th.

N: Would you suggest that we postpone it until some later date?

HAK: Later in the month, but you can't do it then.

N: I am afraid we lose a lot of people--that is the reason. I'll do it if you want.

HAK: I have no particular interest one way or another. I just ....

N: Probably some of the people here you would enjoy talking to.
If you like to do it-- how about in the middle of the summer
later in July?

HAK: Fine

N: Can we plan now?

HAK: Why don't you check with me the last week of June, my schedule
will be clearer then.

N: Okay, let's plan it for the 2nd or 3rd week of July

HAK: the 2njd week is impossible--would have to be the 3rd or 4th week
of July.

N: Between July 24 and 28?

HAK: Something like that.

N: I will have my office call you up. Congratulations on everything you are doing.

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Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger
6/7/72
2:45

BH: The President can't go to Camp David in his helicopter. But maybe you'll get to drive up with him?

HAK: Can't he not go?

BH: We're working on that now.

HAK: Can you tell him I have to be here at 8:30 tomorrow morning for a congressional briefing.

BH: Really? That may solve the problem

HAK: I am most unaxious to go. It is no rest for me to rush up there and come back.

BH: Right. The plan when he was going up, I wanted to warn you, he was going to stop at Bethesda to see Goldwater on the way

HAK: Is it fogged in at Camp David?

BH: Yes.

HAK: Can't we keep him here?

BH: I think that we're stuck with keeping him here.

HAK: You know who brought him back? His wife--he didn't want to leave

BH: Why didn't he send her back?

HAK: Daughter and wife working on him.

BH: Then he gets back here and rattles around.

HAK: See if we can get him to call Stu Alsop today--the poor guy is going into the hospital and probably never come out. Very bad shape.

BH: Are you going to get him to write one good last column before he goes.

HAK: You cold-blooded bastard. Okay

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Gerald Ford/Kissinger

3:05 p.m. - 6/7/72

(Came in late)

F: Bill Maillard has talked to me. Apparently he met with you this morning on this joint resolution. Bill says that you have many reservations about it. Can you give me...

K: Well, I will tell you what basically my reservation is. I hate the Republicans to join something which in a way becomes the President's program and there is something about ceasefire in it. Therefore the Senate is going to start hatcheting away at that again.

F: The only problem is... if you don't try to get something like this approved you are going to get something far worse.

K: Isn't it better to have something worse?

F: ... it's easier to oppose it. On the other hand if the Senate hacks away and screws it up then in any conference we can vote against that. ... ceasefire in which we voted is what the President recommended.

K: Those are two pretty big exceptions.

F: Is time important to you?

K: We would like to waste as much time as possible.

F: I would like to have them not vote on it tomorrow and put it over until next week and try to get the cooperation of the Rules Committee.

K: I think that would be terrific. Can you do that?

F: I am not sure. We will try in the Committee. I think it's standard to do this resolution. I am going to meet with the fellows at 4:00 and I will know better then.

K: Can you keep yourself loose until after that meeting and then let's have a talk. Give us your feeling after that meeting and then I'll give you our reaction.

F: OK, Henry.

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David Frost/Mr. Kissinger

4:05 6/7/72

DF: I was going to be down in Washington next week doing a thing for the Washington Emmy Awards on Saturday the 17th and wondered if you would be in D. C.

HAK: I am not sure yet--I will know by next Tuesday.

DF: You are going to Japan this week, arent you.

HAK: Yes this week.
do

DF: When you come back to the states?

HAK: Tuesday.

DF: I love the fact that when you really did take a holiday in Acapulco-- people were thinking you were on another mission I can't remember where Japan is on the map--you don't pass through London on the way back, do you?

HAK: Unfortunately not, no.

DF: ______ studios are being opened in London next Tuesday.

HAK: Oh really, how is John?

DF: Very well, can I give him your greetings when I see him.

HAK: No, give him my affectionate greetings--he remains one of the high points of my stay here.

DF: I will do that. Maybe I will give you a call when you get back from Japan. I know you may well want to get away for the weekend out of Washington.

HAK: That is why I am not sure I will be there.

DF: If you are not going to be, then we must pick another trip.

HAK: Will you be on the West Coast early in July? I will be there for 2 weeks.

DF: What dates?

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HAK: From around the 1st of July till the 15th, plus or minus.

DF: I am not sure where I will be on the 4th, we both might well be out on the coast.

DF:

HAK: Then we must get together. / Dianne sends her love to you.

HAK: Thank you and the same to her.

DF: Have a marvelous time in Japan.

HAK: That is not likely to happen, knowing my feelings towards the Japanese.

DF: I hope the food is good.

HAK: I must lose weight, after the Russian trip.

DF: I decided I wanted to lose 10 pounds this week, so I am on the Stillman diet--where you drink 8 glasses of water a day and stay on a protein diet--they say the way to lose weight dramatically is to go on the Stillman diet in Mexico.

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Adm. Zumwalt/Mr. Kissinger

6/7/72

4:22 p. m.

AM: Thank you for the call. I wanted to talk to you prior to your departure as to whether or not it would be possible for you to raise to the Japanese our strong desire to getting on with working out the arrangements to homeport carrier in its wing in Ecusta--the State Department in my judgment has dragged its feet on this one rather than being willing to press and the issue boils down to whether or not we are going to be able to keep these carriers forward over the long haul and reduce our number of carriers, would it be acceptable to you if I sent over a point....

HAK: Certainly.

AM: I would be awfully grateful if you could help us move forward. It is terribly important for the protection of our people and I see no other alternative but to go three down to two if we can't get it.

HAK: Let me see what we can do.

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TELCONE

Mr. Kissinger/Bunny Lasker

4:25 6/7/72

BL: Hello, Henry. Bunny Lasker. I am collecting money for McGovern can you help me out?

HK: I know you are a typical McGovernite.

BL: I am Vincents now. He said he is going to send you the suit tonight to Washington--or whatever it is he is going to do it tonight.
Secondly, I am going to Japan on Friday, which plane are you going on?

HAK: I am going in my own plane.

BK: Oh, okay. I am going with Pepsi-cola--is taking the directors over on Friday morning

HAK: Don't tell me Kendall is going to be in Japan.

BL: Kendall and I and Rhodes of GM and we have flying over together on Friday morning.

HAK: I will greet you there. That will get you in Saturday morning.

BL: Yes. I think so. You will be how long?

HAK: I am leaving Monday afternoon. Where are you staying.

HAK:

BL: We are all at the Ocurra.

HAK: So am I. Maybe we could get together.

Gus Leviad

BL: I am going to help Gus with that luncheon on July 26--in NY
So we will work something out.

HAK: Good, somebody told me --I mentioned it Javits today just in passing--thought it would be a good idea if we broadened the base of the people who are doing the inviting. What do you think? For

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Mr. Kissinger/Ronald Koven (POST)

6/7/72 4:55 p.m.

RK: One of our people saw you today lunching at the Sans Souci with Senator Fulbright and said he overheard the word SALT and didn't think it was in conjunction with pepper and I was wondering what you can tell us about what the Administration's plans are on presenting the SALT agreement to the Senate and schedule and so forth.

K: Well, our present schedule is to tentatively submit them next week. Early next week.

RK: Do you anticipate any problems in the hearings of the Foreign Relations Committee.

K: No, I meet with Fulbright regularly, and I have been meeting at the Hill so I thought it would be nice if he came down here once.

RK: Do you -- when was the last time you met with him in public?

K: About a month or six weeks ago.

RK: Before the summit?

K: Yes. That was also at the Sans Souci--but that was when a mutual friend invited us for lunch.

RK: You don't anticipate any particular problems with Sen. Fulbright over the SALT

HAK: Oh no, we discussed many subjects including SALT--whoever mentioned it to you had to mention that it was a very amicable meeting we weren't yelling at each other.

RK: Do you have--how often do you meet

HAK: About once a month

RK: ...on the subject of SALT that you may appear before the Foreign Relations Committee

HAK: I have no such intention.

RK: Thank you very much Doctor, good day.

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Gov. Scranton/Kissinger

5:25 p.m. - 6/7/72

K: Hello.

S: Henry.

K: Bill, how are you?

S: I couldn't be better and I'm sorry to bother you. I wouldn't unless I thought it was important. First of all - I don't know what you have in mind or the President may have in mind for using to get the SALT thing going well in this country. . . but I have. . . (Changed tape)

K: McCloy has taken the position that he's precluded from doing it. We would like to use the General Advisory Committee.

S: Well, frankly, I do not think he is precluded from doing it and I'll be blunt with you Henry, I think the thing that hit McCloy was frankly the way he was handled so to speak. I don't mean it as any attack on anybody but I don't think General Haig made it clear. He didn't make it clear to me what he wanted done and he certainly didn't make it clear from what Jack has said to the various people. I think if you want it you can get it and my best guess is that if you would give him a telephone call, person-to-person, and talk to him for a few minutes and come to the meeting if you can on the 14th, I think this could do the trick. Now please don't tell him I told you this.

K: No. I'll do my damndest to come to the meeting on the 14th.

S: Yes and in the meantime before you go to Japan which I know you don't have any time to do, if you could talk to him yourself on the phone I think this would solve the problem. I think frankly it was more the way it was handled, then in the way he really feels. Do you see what I mean?

K: Let me call him. I'll definitely call him before I go to Japan.

S: Right. I'm sorry to bother you, Sir.

K: You never bother me and I was very pleased and touched by your note.

S: You needn't be touched, my friend. You deserve all the credit in the world. You've been absolutely fabulous and I just cannot pay you too high a credit and I'm sure everybody else that has any sense feels the same way.

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Bernard Collier/Kissinger

5:30 p.m. - 6/7/72

K: Hello.

C: Dr. Kissinger, how are you?

K: OK. I have a note here that you're doing an article and want to see me or is that so old that it's...

C: No, it's not so old, but it's also not an article, but I do want to see you for 15 minutes if I can get a chance.

K: Right. What is it about?

C: It's about something I'm writing, but it is not an article. It's - I've been asked to do a book involving you and I want to talk to you about it for about 15 minutes if I can get the time.

K: I see. Just me or a whole series of people.

C: I don't know. It depends on how our talk comes out.

K: OK. Good. After I'm back from Japan.

C: When will that be?

K: Middle or end of next week.

C: Middle to end of next week. OK, it would be much appreciated.

K: Certainly. You can count on it.

C: OK, I shall count on it then. Have a very good trip and a good time.

K: Thank you.

C: Bye.

Request for a copy of the report in
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Papers of State?

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Laird/Kissinger (Secure Phone)

6:50 p.m. - 6/7/72

L: Henry.

K: Yes, Mel.

L: Say, Henry, back a few weeks ago before you went to Moscow I suggested that we hit that power plant up there that is built on that big new dam and really this is more important than a lot of targets we hit. We don't want to knock out the dams but the transformers. There are only two in the country and it's a major part of their power supply.

K: Do you want to send me a recommendation?

L: I want to just do it.

K: Let me talk to the President about it. How many people would we kill?

L: . . . . . We are just after the transformers.

K: Look, can it wait until tomorrow morning?

L: Sure it can wait until tomorrow.

K: I am inclined to go along with it but I want to run it by the President.

L: The assessment I have is it might weaken the dam but not have a serious effect. It would knock out the power. We would use the special planes that guide in on those particular transformers. We have been very successful with these new bombs.

K: OK. I think we can probably get it approved and I will call you in the morning.

L: Good. I understand there is some problem with this paper that I have used before this Committee.

K: On what issue?

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L: On when you count the submarines.

K: Look, both interpretations are possible and we are going to have a meeting tomorrow and see if we can figure one out of greatest benefit to the U.S.

L: I tried to check that out with you on Sunday.

K: That's right and I told Gardner it was a perfect interpretation... but rather than have this force us into a premature Polaris (?) when ULMS is ready...

L: Ok, you look at it.

K: You be careful and we can get that straightened out tomorrow.

L: But this idea that I should back away from Triden. . .

K: Absolutely not. We don't want you too.

L: Well, they are giving me hell in the Executive Branch. Some one has to take the hard line.

K: Well, State is made but you are doing exactly what we want you to.

L: OK.

K: Good, Mel. I will call you.

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Mr. Kissinger/Stu Alsop (Mrs.)

6/8/72 9:00 a.m.

TA: Henry, it's Tish. I thought I would report to you before you took off. They didn't put him in the hospital yesterday. My guess is-- it is one of those things that we have to wait for everyday for the blood count. They may put in today or tomorrow; my guess is that they'll put him in on Monday. He is a walking menane, Henry. He has so few white blood cells that there is a 1 out of 3 chance every

day that he'll catch a really bad infection. But they went up slightly and since he seems to have taken control of his own life again, he can say I won't go in until Monday. He says he feels they ought to give his ______ a chance to come back before they start anything.

HAK: Well, everything is a guess anyway.

TA: That is why they basically allow him to make his own choices and its good for him.

HAK: Well, I am delighted. Can I talk to him by phone today?
I will give him a call before I leave for Japan.

TA: When do you take off?

HAK: 4:30.

TA: Good, we'll be having lunch here.

HAK: I'll call him.

TA: Come and have lunch with us sometime--it cheers him up.

HAK: I'll do it when I get back.

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The position of Vice President for Academic Affairs
and Senior Vice President for Academic Affairs
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9:25 a.m., June 8, 1972

2

S: I think that's the safest position to take. I think you still might consider just telling Dobrynin that's the way we're interpreting it.

K: Oh, yes, I'll tell him that.

S: Yeah.

K: But I think that's one we can take that they cannot possibly object to.

S: I think that's right.

K: And I don't know whether we should start the process with something that they may consider sharp bargaining.

S: I think that's right and it's all going to come out in the wash anyway. And in the longer run, it won't make any difference.

K: Exactly. So I just want you to know we're going to tell him that.

S: Okay, thank you.

K: On the Gs, we will do what was discussed yesterday. That is to say, they're not in the agreement.

S: I think that's right.

K: Good.

S: Okay.

K: Bye.

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Mr. Kissinger/
Ambassador Dobrynin

K: Hellow, Antov

D: Yes.

K: With your usual skill when we met this morning you managed to get me to avoid the question which the President is going to ask me.

D: Yes.

K: Which - you know *what* which one I mean.

D: Well, (laughing)

K: About that trip.

D: __________ me so (laughing)

K: What happened to that trip we were talking about.

D: You mean Moscow.

K: Yes.

D: We are awaiting now the reaction

K: I see

D: From them. Because __________ sort of things and you will be immediately informed.

K: Right.

D: So, this is the answer I have.
Right.

K: /Have you notified them about the substance of our discussions. a certain

D: To/an extent.

K: Right.

D: But the question is whether we are going to tell them everything without omission(?) or

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K: Exactly.

D: __________ send a man(?) This is - we are awaiting their reply.

K: I understand.

D: Of course we gave them the choice.

K: Exactly.

D: So we told them but not all the story.

K: Exactly.

D: In plain (?) we are quite prepared to send a very important man.

K: I understand.

D: __________ understand the whole story. (?) So on the date of my departure, the word reply ____ not important. Whether they would like __________.

had

K: OK. Well look, I had assumed that you/nothing concrete to tell me but since I know I will be calling the President in a few minutes and he will ask me.

the

D: No, no I really forgot to tell you and/second when ____ received it in Moscow there I will immediately inform you. Because Brezhnev really wanted me to tell you this one.

K: Right. Well, I appreciate it very much.

D: And this is really - especially __________ tell them but not the whole story(?) - and at the same time we are prepared to send top man. All of whom you know to there and so

K: I know about that plan.

D: So, this is a question we are awaiting the reply whether they prefer to have the whole story and then to discuss or to receive them. On this way they can reply(?)

K: Excellent. Thank you very much.

D: So this is the way(?) really.

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K: Thank you.

D: If it __________ I will be in touch

K: And if it happens while I am in Japan, you tell Haig.

D: Haig. OK

K: He is the only person here who knows

D: OK. I will tell him them.

K: Good.

what

D: Because this is really/Brezhnev asked me to tell you and the President. There won't be any question because there was a lot of inbetween so __________ so I failed to tell you specifically because this information in between but in case you ask __________ into

K: I have to watch about lapsing/inx confidence with you.

D: Oh, no no (laughing)

K: OK.

D: Really because I may receive one today(?) that is why I was really prepared to tell you the whole story. But this is only the intermediate sort of reply that is why I __________ There was really no playing diplomatic(?) things with you.

K: No, I understand.

D: Quite frankly.

K: No, and that is what I assumed but since I know the President will ask me specifically I thought I would answer.

D: This is why I am telling you(?) it is not only on the record(?) but it really

K: Also, Haig will be in touch with you about that telephone we discussed.

D: Oh, I think that would be a good idea really because

K: We will get it done in the next week.

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Mr. Kissinger/
Ambassador Dobrynin

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K: Hello, Anton

D: Yes.

D: Yes.

K: Which - you know just which one I mean.

D: Well, (laughing)

K: About that trip.

D: ______ me so (laughing)

D: You mean Moscow.

K: Yes.

K: I see

D: From them. Because ______ sort of things and you will be immediately informed.

K: Right.

K: /Have you notified them about the substance of our discussions, a certain

D: To/en extent.

K: Right.

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K: Exactly.

K: I understand.

K: Exactly.

K: Exactly.

K: I understand.

D: ______________ understand the whole story. (?) So am the date of my departure, the word reply ____ not important. Whether they would like ______________ had

D: No, as I really forgot to tell you and/second when ________ received it in Moscow there I will immediately inform you. Because Breshnev really wanted me to tell you this one.

K: I know about that plan.

D: So, this is a question we are awaiting the reply whether they prefer to have the whole story and then to discuss or to receive them. On this man they can reply(?)

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K: Thank you.

D: If it ______ I will be in touch

D: Haig. OK

D: OK. I will tell him them.

K: Good.

what

D: Because this is really/Brenniv asked me to tell you and the President. There wasn't be any question because there was a lot of inbetween so ______ so I failed to tell you specifically because this information in between but in case you ask ______ into

K: I have to watch about laping/lim confidence with you.

D: Oh, no no (laughing)

K: OK.

D: Really because I may receive one today(?) that is why I was really prepared to tell you the whole story. But this is only the intermediate sort of reply that is why I ______ There was really no playing diplomatic(?) things with you.

K: No, I understand.

D: Quite frankly.

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12:40 p.m. 6/8/72

RN: Well, you have got your haircut now and are ready to do, huh?

HAK: Yeh. I had a long talk with Dobrynin this morning. He came back absolutely effusive. Personal message to you from Breshnev saying that there were many important and historic results of the summit but the most historic was the relationship established between the Soviet leaders and President Nixon, and not since the war has Soviet/American relations been on such a basis and they want to express their personal confidence and so on and so forth; he also sends me a nice note.

RN: Good, good.

HAK: And he mentioned to me about the Vietnam thing. They sent a summary of our discussions to Hanoi and said that Podgorny would be glad to come and fill them in on the remainder. They didn't give them everything and Hanoi hasn't replied yet and that is why Podgorny hasn't gone.

RN: I see.

HAK: It is amazing.

RN: We'll just continue doing what we are doing.

HAK: Exactly. In fact it gives us a better justification. If Hanoi didn't feel that Moscow wasn't on its side, Podgorny would be there now.

RN: Yeh. So we'll go ahead on that hydoelectric thing. Fine. Did the matter directly or indirectly regarding the possible visit of the Democratic nominees to Moscow.

HAK: I mentioned it and he said they know where they stand and he said they had had no overture and they, I don't expect that to happen myself.

RN: The other point, did you see this utterly stupid thing of McGovern's the fact that he would go to Hanoi.

HAK: Not only that he would go to Hanoi, but at Hanoi he would promise them the withdrawal of all US forces. I think we should say that we can

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do in Paris. You don't have to go to Hanoi for that.

RN: Yeh you can surrender to Paris. That should be the line you should put out to the Colson group.

HAK: We are getting a flood of reports that they are in deep trouble. We got a report from Peking today speaking of divisions in the Politburo in Hanoi and another report from Belgrade. They are in deep trouble, Mr. President. Looks as though they have finally linked up with An Loc. Not the 21st Division--they brought in an airborne unit to do it.

RN: At least Abrams is still hammering the hell out of them with the B-52's.

HAK: Now we are up 84th sortee raid--87 and he is now beginning to creep up on the panhandle--he is across the DMZ now

RN: You mean he is making the trail almost unusable isn't he.

HAK: Making the supplies through the panhandle unusable. The trail is now closed down anyway because of the rain.

RN: Goddamnit, you know these people are not supermen, Henry.

HAK: There is a limit to what they can take.

RN: Well, that is fine. I wish you well on your trip, you leave at 4:30. Take plenty of sleeping pills along. Try to make our ambassador feel -- bring him into something.

HAK: Oh, I'll bring him into most.

RN: It will build him up with his staff. One of those things.

HAK: He is coming into everything, except the meeting with Sato which they insist we be alone and the meeting Fukuda, but he will join us at the end of that meeting.

RN: Good. We are going forward on a quiet basis. You can put Fulbright off by saying you can't have an answer and then we'll, we can't give him the satisfaction of announcing it. I have to announce it.

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HAK: I feel very strongly that you shouldn't announce my China trip.

RN: You mean have it announced by Zeigler.

HAK: Have it announced low-keyed by Zeigler.

RN: Before my conference.

HAK: You should not jeopardize your relations with Breshnev now.

RN: When.

HAK: It would have to be on Wednesday, by 11:00.

RN: It could be announced in the morning and my conference isn't scheduled until 3:00 in the afternoon. I would prefer not to announce it. I can announce that you are going to testify and that will blanket it see.

HAK: I don't think you can hold it that long, if I am going to testify on Thursday.

RN: Ah, yes I can. If--the way the Senate always plays is if--we have to know it 3 days in advance--they can know it one hour in advance. It will be 24 hours in advance--it will build like hell until the next morning

HAK: They can get the right coverage for you in that time.

RN: Yes that afternoon--it will be built up immediately. We want maximum results with as little discussion as possible so it appears we have done it rather than them forcing us to do it. That is how we want to do--we are not in the position of being dragged down there.

HAK: And we should work out something by which he says ahead of time of time that this is an exception.

RN: Sure tell him exactly what he can say. We'll do it maybe in form of a letter. We'll work out the logistics. Hope you have a good trip. I know it isn't going to be good, but I hope it isn't too tiring.

HAK: I am sure it will be all right.

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Senator Fulbright/Mr. Kissinger

12:55 p.m., June 8, 1972

K: Hello, Mr. Chairman, how are you?

F: Pretty good, Henry.

K: I enjoyed our lunch yesterday.

F: I enjoyed it very much. It is always a treat to go there and see how the other half lives.

K: (laughter) Well, I have talked to the President about our conversation and he wasn't as negative as we both thought he might be but as you can imagine we have monumental internal bureaucratic problems with arranging this. So what the President would like is to keep this between us for the time being.

F: Yeah. I haven't mentioned it to anybody.

K: We will submit the Treaty on Tuesday. I will be back Monday night; he will make the final decision on Tuesday or early Wednesday in close consultation with you.

F: Um-humm.

K: And reasoning a possible appearance on Thursday.

F: Um-humm

K: All of this, of course, subject to your approval.

F: Um-humm. Possibly on Thursday.

K: Do you think that would be manageable?

F: Yeah, I think so. Especially, if you -- I think in view of this not to submit it until Tuesday makes it very manageable because there's nothing we can do.

K: Well, frankly, that's why he is holding it up for a day.

F: Good. Well, this looks like the possibilities are reasonable.

K: Well 50-50 I'd say.

F: Well, I will not mention it; I have not mentioned it to anybody -- staff or anybody else.

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K: Well, if we could keep that between us, it would improve the chances very greatly.

F: Okay. Then about Tuesday you think you would have a word?

K: That's right. The day we submit the Treaty.

F: Um-humm.

K: And he would want a statement that this is an exception which you might agree to read into the record or something.

F: Yeah. Um-humm, all right. Upon reflection, I still think it's a good idea. I think it's very important for somebody and you're the only one I can think of who could keep this record straight that this is not an excuse simply for bigger and better arms. Christ, I can see either Mr. Grechko and his friends saying, "Well, I told you all along those goddamn Americans don't mean it."

K: Yeah.

F: That's the way I think I would react to the President -- last Friday, he said, "Put yourself in their position." He said it two or three times.

K: Yeah.

F: And if you do that and if they think we're going to use this to build the Titan (?), what the hell, if I was a Russian, I'd think they don't mean it; they're just kiddinging us.

K: Yeah.

F: I really think that. And I like this idea. I mean, I thought about it later; maybe I was too rash because I hadn't thought it through but the more I think about it, I still think --

K: Well, you understand, of course, I would be supporting Administration programs but I would do it within the framework of what I said at the Leaders Meeting.

F: Well, I would just as soon you would do it. I mean, you would be supporting primarily this -- the agreements. If somebody asked you "What do you think about Mr. Laird?", I think you'd find some way to sidestep that, wouldn't you?

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K: I would expect to.

F: I would think so. I mean, you can always say, "Well, sir, you're not after all omniscient on everything."

K: Well, that's a hard admission for me to make.

F: (laughter) You might not want to make that in public but (laughter) --

K: They'll go into Executive Session for that.

F: Yeah, I guess (laughter) that's what you could do. But I do think that that thing is sort of -- my reaction was, my God, this undermines the whole spirit of the agreement. And the Joint Chiefs, I can see how they're playing upon those fears that do it. I may be wrong about it but that's the way I reacted to it.

K: Okay.

F: I'm just more interested in seeing what I call the spirit and the attitudes expressed in these agreements preserved and our hopes strengthened. And I have the feeling that's what your interest is.

K: Exactly.

F: And I thought this is one way to do it. I mean, just because I think your presentation is very persuasive.

K: Well, I will do it within that framework.

F: And that's just fine. Well, then I'll hear from you on Tuesday.

K: On Tuesday, Mr. Chairman.

F: Good, thank you.

K: Bye.

F: Bye, bye.

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E-mail: Bill.Magruder@federation.net

M: Henry, this is Bill Magruder.

K: Yes.

M: Are you aware that ______ is going to hit you within 30 minutes?

K: Who?

M: This is the International Federation of Airline Pilots Association in coordination with the pilots in this country are going to issue a statement in about 30 minutes.

K: On what?

M: On the subject hijacking.

K: Yeah.

M: They met with the Russians; they met with all the international airline pilots, that if proper Government action is not taken that on the 19th of June, 72, they are going to have a world-wide stoppage of air service.

K: Well, that doesn't affect me, I fly Air Force O_n_e.

M: No, I realize that. That isn't what I'm thinking about. I talked to Bud Krogh and this may be an opportunity, since there is a letter over here somewhere, I haven't located it yet, to the President from the Airline Pilots Association asking for his action. And what they're asking is to take this thing to the United Nations Security Council in view of the failure of the UN and the IKO, which is the International --

K: Look, I am in a terrible jam right now -- could you talk to General Haig about this.

M: Yeah.

K: Good.

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2:55 p.m. 6/8/72

TS: Two things I wanted to talk to you about. I have word that because they are going to fly in a private plane, Mrs. Mitchell will probably not come out. I don't whether this means anything to you.

HAK: I can't come on the 17th. You will see it has nothing to do with the Mitchells.

TS: All right. Secondly, the number of acceptances that have come in is enormous. I talked to Mitchell about the affair and that maybe it should be postponed and he said he would get back to me. I got word through their office that they would like me to give the party and either to let the people know that you would be away or substitute a guest because there are so many people they want to have conversations with about what they wanted to do--they are trying to get a celebrity plane where 100 people are going to fly back from the convention....

HAK: I wouldn't want to have anything to do with such an affair anyway.

TS: I have to discuss with you--they aren't making any announcements--he is going to say to Fred MacMurray or Jimmy Stewart would you like to come back and be at the convention--I said the same--look if it is going to get to that end of thing let's do it at the Beverly Hills Hotel I can get the ballroom there. At my home, this is kind of a private party and we were going to--no, no, this is going to be 20 big stars like John Wayne and they want to be able to say to them how would you like to do

HAK: When you say they, how many people are coming?

TS: Over 125 acceptances right now.

HAK: No, I mean how many are coming from Mitchells office.

TS: They intend to bring Jeb Magruder, Robert Mardian and his wife, and Bart Porter,

HAK: Yeh, well I am just as well out of this thing.

TS: I think you are luckily out of this situation because these people they are campaigners and they want to make an issue out of it. I have to find out from you--I feel obligated to let the people know you aren't coming.

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HAK: You have got to, because it will be obvious next week that I won't be there.

TS: Right. They said well what would happen if Tricia Nixon came and read a letter from her father that said I am sorry that Henry couldn't come because he is on a mission and I said look I don't....

HAK: Taft, let me tell you something. There cannot not be any talk about my movements--I am going to shut up Mitchell.

TS: I brought it about because I had to say to them I cannot let people come and feel they are seeing HAK and he isn't going to be there.

HAK: You cannot make any other comment but that something came up.

TS: Understand. What they are trying to do is to not do this until that evening.

HAK: Impossible. It won't work.

TS: I am totally understanding. I didn't want to have you feel that this was something that I would do to embarrass you or myself. I tried to call the party off. They won't let me. As it turns out, it may be smart that you are not involved with this thing because they are commercializing it.

HAK: Let me tell you something as a good friend and you must tell your people friend that I am not coming because you will be in a stew by the end of next week. When you tell them, you can wait until next week to tell them. Not now.

TS: I would like to know about the time I can break the news.

HAK: You will be under no obligation to tell them before Wednesday.

TS: Something has come up to make it impossible for you to come out. What I do thereafter is my problem. Apparently you didn't call Haven.

HAK: Yes, I called her.

TS: What should I do about that?

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HAK: Well, if I am not going to be there, I don't care what you do.

TS: I call Joyce, but on Wednesday.

HAK: I called her to say that I probably wasn't calling, but if I was
I hoped she was.

TS: Perfect. Then I say you are not coming.

HAK: Now do you want me to save July 8?

TS: Absolutely. Because we will do a much smaller--40 or 50 people--
you follow--a younger crowd that we have a chance to win over.
You were going to think about September 26 thing in San Francisco.

HAK: I don't think I better do that.

TS: All right.

HAK: That is public

TS: This would be 35 cities in the US.

HAK: I can't do that. I will be glad to go to San Francisco on the same
basis that I am going to NY, and Dallas, but I can't go on Television.

TS: I wish you strength and health to enjoy the trip tonight.

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Mr. Kissinger/
Mr. Haldeman

K: Hello.

H: Henry.

K: Yes. Bob.

H: Have you read this Ray Price speech for Sunday.

K: No, I haven't.

H: The President just went over his copy. He asked if you could take a minute and read through it quickly.

K: Right.

H: And give him your ~~key~~ feelings as to what you think about it and he is trying to decide now whether to do it or not.

K: Do I have a copy?

H: You are suppose to. They said they sent one to you.

K: OK, I will get it and call you back within the hours.

H: OK.

K: Have you had any further thought about that testimony thing?

H: Well, the more I think about it the more I think it is a good idea. I think it is a good idea.

K: You do - because I

H: Are you getting doubts.

K: Yes, well let me call you when I have read the speech.

H: OK.

K: Good.

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K: Bob, I've read the speech and I could probably make something out of it if I had the time, but I'm leaving. There's not one paragraph in it that's wrong but it's such a peaceniki speech -- I mean, the whole tone of it is so maudlinly peacenik --

H: That's apparently the reaction -- I haven't seen it but apparently the President -- he said it's too _____. He says I can make something out of it if it's worth doing but he said I want to get a feel from Henry as to what he thinks.

K: Well, that's exactly my reaction. I think it's much too euphoric; it's not him. His strength has been that he's been tough and peaceful. Not that he's been a bloody Dove. This could almost be given by McGovern. I don't know whether Houston is the place you give such a speech.

H: I don't think he ever should give such a speech. Do you?

K: No.

H: And I think he's going to maintain his strong posture.

K: And frankly, I, of course, ____ basically don't think he should talk about foreign policy right now since he's done so well. You know, when you are ____ doing that well, the best you can do is keep up what people already know about you.

H: Um-humm

K: If he doesn't talk for six weeks about foreign policy, it won't affect his standing by 1% as far as the public estimate of him in foreign affairs is concerned.

H: Okay. Your view would be not to give it then?

K: My view, on balance, is not to give it.

H: Okay.

K: But I agree with his statement that you could do something with it if it were worth it, but it isn't worth it.

H: Colson feels strongly the same way. On the basis that you get nothing out of it. So you have 60,000 people cheer, so what?

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K: That's exactly --

H: Nobody will know it because it's Sunday night and the world will never find out it happened.

K: Well, that's my view. It's not worth the nervous energy, the time and anything else that's involved.

H: Okay. I'm going to try and talk him out of it then. I kind of feel better anyway. I'm sort of afraid of going into the astrodome.

K: And it would be a massive effort for him to make a first-rate speech and it would be a speech on something he doesn't need.

H: That nobody would know he gave.

K: And that even if they knew he gave, --

H: Wouldn't get any mileage out of.

K: No. It would take away from his Moscow speech and you know, he said -- the positive things in it he said better in Moscow.

H: Yeah.

K: And the tough things in it, he said better in the Congress.

H: Yeah.

K: I mean, there's a total conviction that he's superb in foreign policy right now. Why put it to a test?

H: Right.

K: You know, even if he gives a good speech, he can only break even.

H: Yeah, you're right. I agree.

K: Okay, that's point number one. Point number two, on my testimony.

H: Yeah.

K: I'm getting ready to have it prepared and I'll work on it but I think we ought to keep it way open till Monday or Tuesday.

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K: Right. May I make one other point to you which has nothing to do with me?

H: Sure

K: Which may have something to do though with what we discussed. Taft Schreiber called me and he is close to despair with the way the Mitchell organization is running his celebrity party out there, which I'm not attending. He says he's never dealt with people like that before.

H: What's the problem?

K: Well, he says it's a private party at his house and suddenly he finds they want to bring in 8 or 10 people. Sign people up for a celebrity flight and he says in that case he would rather have given it at the Beverly Hilton or somewhere.

H: Um-humm.

K: Second, he says he's going to do something on July 8th for me but he'll never deal with the Mitchell office again; he'll just do it on his own. I just want to give you a feel, not for this situation because I'm not going to be there.

H: Yep. I better check into it. I imagine it's one of those kids in there or something, you know.

K: For example, they told him we've had a tremendous response. In fact, everyone has accepted.

H: Yeah.

K: And now of course he's sweating the fact that I'm not going.

H: Yeah.

K: Now he's offered to delay it; they don't want to delay it.

H: Yeah.

K: Cause they want to go out with their people. Then he says he's honored bound to tell his guests that I'm not going to be there.

H: Sure.

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K: They tell him no, that he's to tell them -- that he should keep it all on and an hour before should say I've gotten sick.

H: No, can't do that.

K: Well, it can't be because the other stuff will be in the newspapers anyway.

H: Let me talk -- let me find out who's handling it over there and see -- I would guess we've probably got someone --

K: But I'm not concerned about -- and don't get me involved with this.

H: I understand.

K: I'm not concerned with this party, which is of no interest to me.

H: I won't get you involved at all.

K: This is the typical of handling it, it may be a problem later on.

H: Yeah, right.

K: Okay, good

H: So we'll check into that. When do leave? Right away now, don't you?

K: Yeah. I'm already late.

H: Okay. Well, bon voyage!

K: Right, thank you. I'll be back Monday night.

H: Okay.

K: Bye.

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H: I agree.

K: And not make any move in that direction.

H: I agree and the President agrees very strongly with that cause he wants to be -- cause he was thinking about it -- you know, how you announce it and all and he wants to be sure that he announces it rather than letting Fulbright announce it.

K: Yeah.

H: If we do it cause it should not appear that Fulbright succeeded in forcing you up there.

K: Yeah.

H: It should appear that the President took the initiative in wanting you to go up.

K: Yeah. I just wonder -- you know, a television program in which I answer questions. The special the day we submit the Treaty, anything like that. Although that raises now a new problem if we've refused to testify.

H: Yeah, yeah.

K: I can do it well; there's absolutely no question. My concern is what if McGovern starts to be a son-of-a-bitch and tries to drag me before the Committees and from then on?

H: Well, we just say no. That's why I want to talk to Ehrlichman; I want to see what we're really walking into.

K: The problem is my great strength for you right now is that I'm not politicized.

H: Well, this wo uldn't politicize you.

K: No, not yet. Well, let me see how that testimony would look. I think, you know, I know I can do a good job.

H: Yeah. Okay, we've got a few days. Let's think it over. You think it over on that trip and let me talk to John about it and get another reading.

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Mr. Kissinger/

The President:

K: Mr. President.

P: Well, you just about off hun.

K: That is right. I'm just about on my way.

P: Well, I am sorry you have to do it but you may find the fact that you don't the damn press on this trip won't be nearly as hard on you this time. You know. I think the combination of a long trip and horrible pressure is very hard. I know for example when I finished a political campaign even though it isn't the travelling but it is the fact that I have been under very very heavy pressure. You know if you go on vacation and take a long trip you don't feel that bad. You know.

K: That's right. And it will do some good.

P: Oh, of course it will. What I meant is you can handle - I mean you don't have to prepare for it like other others. You know what I mean. You know the Japanese situation like the back of your hand.

K: Right.

P: And your not going to have all those damn night sessions and that sort of thing.

K: No, and nothing depends on it.

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P: What I meant is that it is the kind of thing/just the fact that you are going and will be available and talking to them and holding their hands is a good thing. And it will be good, it will worry the Chinese and worry the Russians and that is good. And it will reassure the Japanese a little.

K: Well, I tell you that conversation with Dobrynin was *amazing* amazing.

P: Yes, I was so interested in that. He really felt that the personal relationship had been established.

K: That's right. He said that is the key thing. He said - no that is not what he thought - he said that is what Brezhnev is telling you. That is a message from Brezhnev to you.

P: Oh, I see. Well that is important. And also it is important that he feels he has the same relationship with you because that means you can take

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the next trip and then it will be just like -- you have got to KEX come down to him Henry. Every time some torpedo boat oozes into Cienfugoes I can't get into it. And now we have a relationship established where you can.

K: That is right.

P: You see what I mean. I mean you had it before but now he knows - and you should do that. Because normally you would have your Secretary of State do this thing but they know it has no credibility.

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K: He told me off the record Kosygin was appalled how little Rogers knew about the trade thing.

P: Really.

K: Yes. But Kosygin knew everything about it and one thing about it. Peterson will be well prepared. He will do a good job. That is why I was interested in your reaction to that speech thing. I don't know whether Bob told you but I had told him I had read it and I didn't want bother you. I said Bob this thing is just too damn euphoric I think. But see what Henry's reaction is to it without telling KEX him what mind is. And your is exactly the same.

K: Exactly. Almost verbatim.

P: I think the point is - why is it our speech writers after they have worked on speeches with me you know - every one that I have made - why do they always come up with the same stuff Henry. I don't know. You know.

K: Well that is their basic conviction. And also it supports the point we made we were discussing yesterday. The degree to which you have poked (?) this Government along.

P: Yes. In other words if I were to just say I could just go off and read this. This is what most people would do.

K: And it is a rather good speech you know. Sort of a pappy(?) speech.

P: It will sound nice to the KEXX Rotarians.

K: That is right.

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P: And it will say XEXXX say things have all changed and the world is different.

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By: KMLV
NASA Date: 5/12/04

For example I would have thought that any speech writer would have put in when they said how much the world had changed - let's also remember however that the world has not changed in certain respects. Our philosophies are very different, we have very great differences. You know what I mean. You have got to put that in. There are realistic people on both sides who have a different view of the world and just getting to know each other isn't going to settle it. These agreements isn't going to ______ it. Well you know what I mean. It is just one of those things. But it is a pleasure(?) too Henry, all this stuff we have got - in the foreign policy we have just got to watch every word.

K: That is exactly right.

P: Because all of a sudden it will slip by. And some Jackass statement will be made - you know what I mean.

K: Exactly.

P: This speech is practically one that McGovern could make.

K: That is right, except for a few pages at the end.

P: Oh yes, where we throw in.

K: But you should start going after McGovern, Mr. President.

P: Yes, I think so. Because basically his whole attitude is the white(?) gk flag and going to Hanoi. Your linear? about the good guy we couldn't gotten out of Paris. He wants to go to Hanoi to ______? Put up that flag and -- well anyway have a good trip.

K: Thank you Mr. President.

P: Goodbye.