TelCon

Jerry Schecter/Mr. Kissinger

February 7, 1973

K: Hello. Jerry?

S: Change your mind?

K: No, but I understand from my little darlings now that they don't let any news men in.

S: I see.

K: You mean while you are there, or what?

K: While I'm there.

S: I see.

K: I mean, that's in response to my telling them that I had no objections to their letting responsible weekly news journalists in. I figured that would get Henry Hubbard anyway.

S: I hope so. Yeah. What do you think about Hong Kong. That make sense floating

K: They have these floating pressure policies--

S: Listen I lived there for three years I mean you know, we might get you out on one and you never want to come back.

K: Well, all I can say is if you are there on your own, if you call me I'll almost certainly see you.

S: Okay.

K: But I'm not asking, you; know, your decision.

S: I understand. I've got to talk to them up in New York, Henry. It's a long way to go even for you. (laughter) Have a good trip now, huh. I wish I was there with you. You'll do all right.

K: It will be a weird experience.

S: It really will be.

K: But if they make a big effort, I'll make a big effort.

S: Okay, good luck.

K: Right.

S: Bye.

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General Scowcroft/
Minister Vorontsov

S: Hello.

V: Hello General. How are you?

S: I am fine. How are you today?

V: Fine. How is the weather down there?

S: Well it has finally stopped raining.

V: Oh my my. Warm?

S: Oh it's been a very poor weekend.

V: Oh my. We have had frosty weather here. I don't know why but it is frosty.

S: Oh, my. Well we will be joining you shortly.

V: Yes, I have heard the news over the radio.

S: I am not happy to hear your news though about the frosty weather.

V: Frosty but sunny - sunshine and all that. Like in Moscow.

S: That's right. Say I have passed the message that you brought over to Dr. Kissinger and he asked me to call you and tell you he will do what he can while he is on his trip. But he asked if you could be a little patient and that he will take immediate steps when he gets back to Washington.

V: Good.

S: OK?

V: That is fine. Thank you so much. We will be patient.

S: All right.

V: OK. He will be home on the 19th or something like that.

S: The 19th or 20th, right.

V: Good. We will be patient until that time.

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S: Hello.

V: Good morning General. How are you?

V: Fine thank you.

S: Good. Say you remember Secretary Brezhnev sent a very warm letter to the President on the occasion of the agreement. Would you all have any objection to <u>some</u> mention in the press of that fact of the letter or would you prefer that it just remain private.

V: Well, I know that previously such correspondence was kept private and that was proceeded by the Kremlin so to say. But actually it is not of course for me to say what way Mr. Brezhnev would prefer it now. And that is why I would have to consult with Moscow, you understand.

S: I understand.

V: Yes. I will do it today and hopefully by Monday I will have a reply.

S: Fine.

V: OK.

S: OK. I'd appreciate it very much.

V: Fine. Thank you.

S: Thank you. Good bye.

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General Scowcroft
Minister Vorontsov
2/18/73; 3:00 p.m.

(Tape was not on -- missed the first sentence or so.)

V: It is a short one so I hope you won't mind if I read it over the phone.

S: I don't mind at all.

V: Fine. "Moscow highly appreciates the efforts of the President to find a solution of the question involved in creating normal nondiscriminatory conditions for the development of trade and economic relations between our two countries as it was agreed in Moscow. As to the ways of achieving this goal and of choosing the most appropriate form of legislation, it is rather difficult for us to express an opinion on merits of this or that version. We are confident that the President will himself choose the most appropriate way of action which will insure a positive outcome." And that is that.

S: Very good.

V: So very short answer in the American traditions.

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S: That's a very good answer and we will proceed.

V: Fine and then we will see what the outcome will be and hopefully it will be a positive result.

S: Hopefully it will be and I can assure you that we will do our very best to insure that it is that kind of a result.

V: We have always learned to have a full trust in the White House.

S: Very good. I am sure we will not let you down in that trust.

V: Fine, thanks, General.

S: Okay, thank you very much, Mr. Vorontsov.

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General Scowcroft
Minister Vorontsov
2/20/72; 10:13 a.m.

V: General, I got the reply that the Secretary-General has absolutely no objection that this letter be mentioned but that at the same time the hope is expressed that while mentioning this letter by the President or by the White House somehow that the essence of the two last paragraphs of that letter will be mentioned, too. And that is actually what we have in mind about the peaceful settlement of the Vietnam problem while eliminating one of the most dangerous processes of international tension will in many ways facilitate the healthening of the world situation. And such developments of events will have positive effects on the relations within our two countries as well thus opening new possibilities for their further developing & deepening. That the essence of the last two paragraphs of the letter.

S: All right.

V: They hope that you will not overlook these two paragraphs and the essence of them while mentioning it.

S: I will ensure that if mention is made that the essence of those paragraphs will be included.

V: Fine. Thank you, General.

S: Thank you very much, Mr. Vorontsov.

V: Okay, good-bye.

S: Good-bye.

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Secretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger

6:25 pm, Feb. 20, 1973

K: Hello, Bill,

K: I was with the President or I would have called you earlier.

R: Yeah.

K: But, in fact, I only got in about an hour and a half ago.

R: Yeah.

K: On the testimony tomorrow, really most, in fact, everything of
any significance is covered in the communique.

R: Uh huh.

K: There isn't any more detailed material on the Economic Commission except some of the stuff that Marshall Green has done. What we want to stay from isemphasis on multilateral aid. First, Hanoi doesn't want it, and secondly bilateral may give us more leverage. We don't want tie ourself to that either. So if we could just fuzz it up and say when we have a program that, of course, other countries are more than welcome to help.

R: Yep. I won't have much problem with that except I think you may not
fully appreciate the hostilities of bilateral aid. This God damn is near
universal. We may have --to be able to change that, but at the moment
of course the hawks and the doves are interested.

K: The God damned left wing people make me sick on this. But that's
beside the point. When we think what tormented us, where's the
McGovern and company are now I'd like to know.

R: Well, I can handle that other. What--on the--what about a press
conference, is the President going to have one?

K: The President is goig to have one probably early next week and he's
going to make a very strong pitch for it then.

R: Uh huh. Are you going to have one in the meantime?

K: I may have one on Thursday, i've put it off from tomorrow because
we wanted your testimony to be--

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R: Uh huh.

K: But I'll stay pretty well off Vietnam stuff.

R: Uh huh. Did he gather the announcement about China you are going to make.

K: Well, just a general communique.

R: Is he going to say anything surprising. I don't want to say anything about it, but I just want--if I'm asked a question I just--

K: No, I don't think it's going to say anything greatly surprising, and-- but it's been agreed not to say anything until Thursday.

R: Uh huh. Well, I have no trouble with that, but--

K: The President moved the breakfast until Thursday in cidentally so that you wouldn't feel pressed with your testimony in the morning.

R: Uh huh. What about--one of the questions I'll get asked is about troops on Taiwan.

K: Well, there'll be some reduction this year, but nothing of the size that the press was talking and nothing that's going to start before July. So I think the answer you gave last week which was to say that--

R: Last time was our Peking communique before, we said that as tensions reduce in the area, we'd consider troop reductions but that the time wasn't right yet.

K: And I think that you can stick with that.

R: Uh huh. In the communique, is there going to be any reference--

K: There's no reference whatever to it. That basically speaks only of extending normalization and improving relations and so forth.

R: In the communique?

K: Yes. Nothing about troops.

R: What about Cambodia. Any discussion about Cambodia that I should know about?

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K: Yes, but I'd like to talk to you about it tomorrow afternoon. Nothing that's going to surface in any way. Or that we can really talk about, except I think you can say that we believe that the North Vietnamese troops must withdraw from Cambodia under Article 20(d) of the Agreement.

R: Uh huh.

K: And that we believe that there should be a ceasefire. It's a more complex situation than Laos because there are more factions.

R: Any -- they'll ask me about, I suppose, about discussions about Sihanouck, and you didn't see him.

K: No, I didn't see him, talk to him, or have any contact with him, or any member of his group.

R: Uh huh. Of course we hope they are going to announce the Laos agreement at 11:00.

K: I say a headline in the Star that it seems to be set.

R: Good enough.

K: I hadn't read what they base it on. I think they announce it at--let's see, here it is, "Laos ceasefire set for Thursday. Factions initial accord. Laotian negotiators today reached agreement on the ceasefire...and that the ceremonial signing of the agreement will be tomorrow at 11:00 am local time." Apparently, they've already initialed it.

R: Uh huh. I gather that there really wasn't very much according to Bill Sullivan that happened in Hanoi that wasn't reflected in the communique.

K: That's essentially right. We had endless talks on Laos, which are now superseded because they in effect they had a different formula which we didn't accept. They wanted to separate the ceasefire and the settlement. And we didn't accept that, and then Souvannah--when we kept pooring in the B-52s, we wanted to get it the date of the withdrawal from the time of the ceasefire, which is essentially what's happened now.

R: Uh huh. That is if he can get his government in place.

K: Yeah. But since the composition is fairly clear. I guess the major obstacle now is handling over his post (?).

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R: He's right wing I suppose.

K: Yeah. On Cambodia--you know they are basically a bloody minded bunch of sons of bitches. But I think we can probably maneuver a reduction of this thing with the assistance of various people. But the Chinese are almost paranoid about our saying something. They were very unhappy with XXX Bill.

R: On what point?

K: Well when he said that they had been helpful in settling the war.

R: They don't want to be helpful, huh?

K: No, they do want to be helpful, but they claim that the Soviets are trying to get into Hanoi and put them in to position of colluding with us. It doesn't sound inconveivable.

R: That's right. I won't have any problem on that. What about if I may ask you, we talked about it, about your trip, can I say on your trip to Hanoi that you, without going into details, that you still are confident that the ceasefire is going to be maintained.

K: Yes. And that in fact, new orders were issued by all the parties to--

R: To live up to the terms of the agreement.

K: Yes.

R: Is that a fact, did the North Vietnamese do that too?

K: They told us they would, and we know the South Vietnamese have. I have the impression that right now more is initiated by the South.

R: I do too. Let's see, is there anything else--well if I think of anything else--

K: I'll be available. You are testifying when, about 10:00 in the morning.

R: Yes.

K: Maybe I could drop over in the afternoon and talk to you a little more.

R: That would be fine.

K: Okay, good.

R:q Fine, thank you.

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Adm. Moorer/Mr. Kissinger
Secure Line, 7:20 pm, 2/20/73

M: ... we ended, up with them because of the delay. We ended up with--we are letting them go out this week. We are left with about 11,000 or 12,000 for the last two cy cles.... Do you still want us to unbalance that, and bring 5,000 to one, or even it up.

K: Don't really care.

M: You gave instructions. Not too much difference. I'm writing up the draft supplement to the ceasefire. We have three alternatives: (1) Assuming a ceasefire, should Godley go back to present system; namely, to respond on a case by case basis; (2) We could have Godley come back to Washington and then issue instructions, (3) He could come back one time and be instructed, then we could send him case instructions as they arise.

K: I would prefer that (meaning one trip back, etc) and fromthen on get him the instructions to go on. Good. Tom, could you do one thing before you stop, how about one big strike at the Chup plantation. Can that be done.

M: No question about it. ... The bombing we did in Laos has stopped them, they called off their offensive. We have been really pooring it on. The President made that clear--really lay it on.

K: He also told me he wouldn't accept your being overruled anymore.

M: I'm glad, that certainly helps. Well thanks, Henry, I'm glad you're back, welcome home.

K: Thank you Tom.

M: Okay, bye.

K: Bye.

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The President/Mr. Kissinger
7:45 p.m., February 20, 1973

K: Mr. President.

P: It occurs to me that perhaps before his testimony you ought to perhaps tell him that if he gets questions on China that there will be a communique on the China thing tomorrow. Don't you think you should, on Thursday?

K: Right. Well, that I've told him already.

P: Oh, he knows there's going to be a Communique? He has the answer to the damn thing. That's good, that's good. You told him there would be a Communique and that you would have the text by tomorrow afternoon.

K: That's right.

P: All right, good. That's good, that's good then. Okay.

K: Right, Mr. President.

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