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CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN

Second Suicide Bomber Strikes Israel; More Clues Before
September 11 Surface

Aired June 19, 2002 - 22:00 ET

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AARON BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, again. I'm Aaron
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Something good happened in the Middle East today, believe it or not. It likely went unnoticed in a day of much bad there, and again, today there are plenty of reasons to shed tears about the Middle East.

The war on buses, as it's been dubbed by the terrorists of Hamas, continued to play out -- a rush hour attack on a Jerusalem bus stop. The horrific toll -- six killed. A toddler was said to be among them.

We will now await the e-mails from those viewers who write to justify this sort of murder because of the grievances on the other side.

We hardly felt better when we read the words of an Israeli politician, by definition a leader, "For every Jew buried after an attack, we must make sure 1,000 Palestinians are killed."

So with that as a backdrop, we confess our definition of good news is modest.

A group of 55 Palestinian leaders and intellectuals, including the legislator, Hanan Ashwari, took out a full-page ad in an Arabic newspaper today.

They urged those behind the suicide bombings to, quote, stop pushing our youth to carry out these attacks which only result in a deepening hatred between the two peoples. The attacks do not achieve progress towards achieving our freedom and independence. All they do is give the Israeli government justification to pursue its harsh and aggressive war against our people.

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Thanks. It's always good to talk to you, Howard Kurtz from
Washington tonight on coverage decisions and how we make them.

A few quick items from around the world before we take a break.

A preliminary report on a friendly fire incident in Afghanistan last April -- I know this is hugely important to Canadians -- four Canadian soldiers died, eight more hurt when a U.S. F-16 dropped a 500-pound bomb on their position. Sources say the joint U.S. and Canadian panel is expected to report that two Air National Guard pilots did not follow proper procedures in sizing up possible threats. The panel may also recommend the pilots face a hearing that could in turn lead to criminal charges out of this tragedy.

The shuttle "Endeavour" returned to earth two days late and somewhere else. Bad weather at the Kennedy Space Center put the kibosh on landing there, so it was a California touchdown, out in the desert. Among those back home tonight, two American astronauts who spent 196 days aboard the International Space Station.

And then there's Steve Fossett (ph), who expects to orbit the earth (UNINTELLIGIBLE) 15 days, weather and wind allowing. Yet another attempt by Steve to become the first to fly solo around the world, solo being the key here. So far, so good. Fossett is now one day into the journey somewhere off the coast of Australia, going about 50 miles an hour. He does keep trying, and we keep wishing him luck.

And if we haven't had enough aviation for one night, this is a New Zealand -- this is from New Zealand. A vintage DC-3 made like a gooney bird, skids off the runway on takeoff. Kind of cold in New Zealand there today, huh? World War II, the DC-3's nickname was the Gooney Bird, so I guess this all fit. No one was hurt, which is why we can afford to make a light joke of it.

Up next, speaking of which, international soccer from that famed soccer expert, Henry Kissinger. This must be NEWSNIGHT.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BROWN: OK, here's the deal. I wrote this really long, clever lead to introduce Dr. Kissinger. I don't want to do it, I just want to talk to him about soccer and other stuff.

Dr. Henry Kissinger is here. It's nice to see you, sir.

HENRY KISSINGER, NEWSNIGHT SPECIAL WORLD CUP
ANALYST: Nice to be here.

BROWN: Thanks for being with us.

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KISSINGER: Thank you.

BROWN: We want to talk about -- I mean, the question everyone asks, and the Americans play the Germans on Friday morning, and actually I sort of sense that people are getting into this a little bit now. It's sort of why Americans don't love soccer in the way everyone else on the planet pretty much does, and you have a couple of interesting notions, one having to do with statistics, or the lack thereof.

KISSINGER: Yes, our games are segmented into periods and into individual actions. But soccer has continuous action, so it's very hard to express it in percentages and batting averages and completions and third-down completions and so forth.

BROWN: You have to sort of love the flow. It does have a flow to it, and it has...

KISSINGER: I mean...

BROWN: ... a momentum about it.

KISSINGER: It has a flow, and it has a strategy.

BROWN: Yes.

KISSINGER: And once you understand it, and then you also get to see that these national teams, in a way, reflect some of the attributes of their nations.

BROWN: Right, I read something you wrote a number of years ago, and you were talking about the South American style. And the South American style sounded South American.

KISSINGER: That's right, I mean, the Brazilians, for example, very rarely have a good goalie, because they all like to go forward, and the goalie has to stay back in his goal, and he isn't part of the action.

So the Brazilian style is more offensive. And also the Argentinian one, and it's more defined by samba-like steps, especially in Brazil.

BROWN: And the Germans -- are the Germans a disciplined...

KISSINGER: Germans are disciplined, they're well trained, they're well coached. But given the depressions, if they're in -- if they're not ahead in the 75th minute, they would then begin to get frantic.

BROWN: So they're front runners...

KISSINGER: I think that affects that end on Friday.

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**BROWN:** They're front runners. They score early, and then play defense.

**KISSINGER:** No, that's the Italians. They score early. But the Germans continue to try to score. But they're very well coached, usually, and they have a lot of endurance, and they're very physical. But they don't have the inspiration of the Brazilian football.

**BROWN:** Nothing like a great stereotype.

**KISSINGER:** Or the French, the French play a very elegant style.

**BROWN:** Elegant and romantic, and they're...

**KISSINGER:** Very elegant.

**BROWN:** ... now, they can't -- they haven't gotten out of bed in about 48 hours, they're so miserable in France right now.

**KISSINGER:** It's almost incomprehensible how they -- they didn't score in three games.

**BROWN:** Yes.

**KISSINGER:** Which is unheard of.

**BROWN:** One more soccer question. Do the Americans have a chance on...

**KISSINGER:** On paper...

**BROWN:** They don't play it on paper, Dr. Kissinger.

**KISSINGER:** Yes, on paper the Germans have a wider array -- larger array of good players, because they have -- that's their national sport. But this American team has shown inspiration, and if we get ahead early, we have a chance.

**BROWN:** It'd be great, it would be a great...

**KISSINGER:** I think they're phenomenal. They've already gotten further than any experts thought they could get. But if they win on Friday, they'll get into the semifinals, which is unheard of.

**BROWN:** It's unbelievable.

You've loved this since you were a child, I assume.

**KISSINGER:** Yes, I used to go, to the despair of my parents.

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BROWN: Did you? And they'd say, You're wasting your life watching soccer games?

KISSINGER: Well, they thought I should go to the opera, museum, and I'd sneak away and go to soccer games.

BROWN: That's the -- Can I ask you serious questions now? Not that these were not.

I don't know how to change gears so quickly. But I want to talk about the Middle East. Will you do that for a minute?

KISSINGER: Sure.

BROWN: OK. The president and the White House, they're trying to write this speech and write a plan. Is there -- is the time right, or should they just follow their initial instinct, was -- which was to stand back, let the two sides get to some point where they want to do business and then get in the game?

KISSINGER: I would say neither. With respect to the first point, they must -- should ask themselves, are they writing a speech for the immediate impact, or are they writing a speech on which they can stand for an extended period of time? If the latter, then it doesn't matter whether they give it Monday or Wednesday or Friday, then the date doesn't matter so much.

Secondly, they -- I hope they're checking it around so that it isn't immediately rejected, or so that we don't have to spend all our energies trying to adjust it. I think that it is not a bad idea, it's a good idea, to put forward certain principles that we think should be followed in the negotiations. And that, I think, would be desirable.

BROWN: It's -- we appreciate a lot your coming in. I'm sure people say this to you all the time. But it's remarkable how much you sound like Henry Kissinger, when you actually sit and talk to you. Thank you...

KISSINGER: I've practiced it.

BROWN: You got it down, man, you're really good.

KISSINGER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE), I'm working on it.

BROWN: Thank you. You'll be watching the soccer game wherever you are on Friday.

KISSINGER: Absolutely.

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