Receptionist's Office
Mr. Bludhorn/Kissinger
6-27-72
Naples, Fla.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW
NASHA, Data: 5/13/04

TELCOM
Mr. Bludhorn/Kissinger
9:50 a.m. - 6/27/72

(Came in late)

B: I was looking in the newspapers to find out about this secret mission and then I was very disappointed. It looks like somebody sent it to me by hoax.

K: Oh, God. I must have slipped. I didn't think anyone knew I was in Hanoi.

B: Oh, no, no, Henry. People follow you around regularly. You know I'll tell you something - my wife was the first one to read that French book and since that time we're well informed on everything.

K: Oh, Jesus, I tell you I got all the masochists after me now.

B: That's right but she's making a good living out of it.

K: Oh, that goddamn bitch. She hardly knows me.

B: Don't you remember, you told us that story that evening. But she's done very well with it. You know, Henry, I think you ought to consider it seriously. You should retire. This is a good girl to retire with. I think she can make a good living as a writer.

K: Listen, if that girl ever sees me again you will know I have flipped.

B: I understand the Russians are going to have an edition too. They've got a girl following you around. We're going to do a whole sequel of this. We've got several movies set up. It'll be the Kissinger escapades, the Kissinger Russian Connection, the Kissinger Chinese Connection, because the French Connection is out already.

K: No, all I can tell you is I have seen all the movies you people make about beautiful Italian spies. . . . . . . . . I've been waiting for it for three and a half years and it's not going to happen.

B: Henry, you're going to the wrong places. You ought to listen to me. You know as an expert on international affairs, you're tops, but in this area despite everything you just go to the wrong places. You're always going out West, you never go to the Western side of Europe. You go to the Western side of the United States. That's your problem. You mentioned Italy but that's the place you don't even go to.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

Re: your request for a copy of
the list of states and their capitols

By: KMH, NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: When I'm free to move again I will check with you about Europe.

B: I want you to anytime. By the way I'm calling you just about something like that. Henry, can I ask you something? I'm going over to Europe for late Friday and Saturday morning - I wanted to ask you - do you expect to be up in New York at all this week or the week after I get back because I am very much interested to talk to you about something confidentially and I was wondering if there's any chance that you're going to be coming up this way. Even on short notice you call me, I'll meet you anywhere or any place.

K: How long will it take? Because if I come up this week it will be on a rush basis.

B: It can take anywhere from 5 minutes to a half an hour or maybe it may take 15 minutes to a half an hour. But I would very much like to see you. I really would. I wouldn't call you otherwise.

K: No, I know that. It's always a pleasure to see you.

B: Look, I would love to see socially which we still have to . . . . . but this is something that I really wanted to see you about. It's no request or any baloney like that at all.

K: No, no, you wouldn't do that.

B: I wouldn't even think of it.

K: Look, I'm going to the West Coast for two weeks with the President at the end of this week.

B: Well, if there's any chance that you're coming up this week at all I'll change anything any time.

K: There's a slight chance that I'll be up tomorrow.

B: Well, if there is I would very much like to know. . .

K: Can I call you in the morning?

B: Absolutely. What time would you be getting up?

The President's Office in the Senate
of the Senate of the United
Publications Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.5

By: K.M.L. / NASA Date: 5/13/84

K: It'd be late in the afternoon but I have some other meetings.

B: Well, it's absolutely perfectly OK.

K: I have some other meetings so all we could do is about a half an hour.

B: Absolutely OK, but I think it's very important. I am very, very anxious to talk to you. I wouldn't have called you this morning.

K: Well, of course. OK.

B: And I would like to because you're going out to the West Coast and I'm going to stop at ________ so if there's a chance that you'd consider tomorrow afternoon just let me know and wherever you are - either you or your car or we can send you a car - we can meet some place Friday at the Essex House or any place you want to meet. As long as it's private, just the two of us. That's all.

K: Right. OK. Otherwise will you be back around the middle of July?

B: I will be back around July 11th.

K: I'll be back on the 18th so we can...

B: If you don't come up tomorrow and if you're not up this week - ordinarily if I could have gotten down to Washington to see you I would have done it but I've got such a terrible schedule and I know you're flitting back and forth and this is something preliminary so I think it would be worthwhile if we could spend a half an hour now and then could meet again. But if you can't make it then I'll see you when you get back from the Coast.

K: OK. How's our mutual friend Evans doing?

B: I think he got into New York early this morning. I haven't talked to him yet. The situation is sort of status quo. I understand it looks a little better but how to tell at the moment I don't know. It's going to be a little clearer this week. Have you talked to him at all?

K: I haven't talked to him. I may call him today or tomorrow.

DECLASSIFIED
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The President has appointed you to the staff of the President.

By: J. M. W. NASA Date: 5/12/04

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B: Well, I think he's going to be sort of on the ________ basis the next 48 hours because I think this is the week. Judging by the other performances I think they should have sent you into the battle - you might have been able to straighten this out to.

K: This is the sort of battle you don't win by fighting frontly.

B: No, listen I feel very unhappy about it but you know how these things are. It's not a thing that a third party can really judge Henry.

K: That's right. I have no view really.

B: You can't have. I can't have, you can't have. It's got to be sort of left to its own devices.

K: OK.

B: Look, let's leave it at the following. If you do get up I would like very much to see you if just for a short time and I say to you again I don't make it a point usually. . .

K: No, no I understand.

B: And if not how do I get a hold of you when I get back?

K: Call the White House. They are always connected with me.

B: Let's definitely plan then maybe in July if you're out this way let's have dinner or do something.

K: Good.

B: If you do make it tomorrow. . .

K: I'll call you in the morning.

B: OK, Henry. Thanks much.

The President's Office of the Vice President
for the Vice-Secretary of State

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.M.L. / NASA Data 5/13/72

TELCONE

Senator Mansfield/Kissinger

10:10 a.m. - 6/27/72

K: Hello.

M: Hello, Henry.

K: Hello Senator, how are you?

M: Fine and you?

K: OK. I'm distressed to hear that you are in the hospital.

M: Well, I'll be getting out soon.

K: I called you actually for three reasons. One is as you know I just got back from China and I wanted to tell you that you really made a very profound impression on them. And Chou on a number of occasions referred to you. In fact he accused me of having plagerized your ideas which I happily accepted. Do you remember that speech you sent him that Taiwan is part of China?

M: Yeh.

K: And he said he had always been impressed by my skill in drafting the American section of the communique but now he finds that I have to share that with you.

M: Well I'm honored.

K: And on many occasions he really made very flattering and warm references to you.

M: I'm delighted.

K: As did - you know that Senior Vice Foreign Minister.

M: Yeh.

K: And so substantively and humanly I think it was a most successful visit on your part.

M: Well, I'm pleased Henry. Very pleased.

Re: [subject to change]
Re: [subject to change]
Re: [subject to change]

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1203.3, Sept. 3.6

By: KHL, NASA Date: 5/13/04

K: The second thing is I was meeting with a group of Senators - incidentally if you are in the hospital for the rest of this week I would be happy to come out and give you more detailed fill in.

M: No, I think I'm going home tomorrow, Henry.

K: Well, I'll be happy to give you a detailed fill in even if you're not in the hospital if you want it. But I'll check with you tomorrow then.

M: OK.

K: But one thing I wanted to talk to you about is the following. All these various end the war amendments that are up and, of course we are against all of them so I don't want to give the wrong impression but I was wondering whether there was a possibility from your point of view not to bring them to a vote this week and to wait until the Congress reconvenes.

M: Oh, that would be fine because the amendments would have to be offered from the floor to knock out what's in the foreign aid bill Henry. If they're not offered they won't be brought to a head.

K: I see. So in a parliamentary way the foreign aid bill isn't up this week.

M: Oh yes. It's the pending business but we're trying to get in other things as they come along on a two-track basis and dispose of the debt ceiling which has to be done by Friday or Saturday. As far as I am concerned, Henry, the amendment I'm interested in is in the foreign aid bill and I will do nothing unless others want to knock it out or amend it or do something else.

K: You won't do anything to bring it to a vote?

M: No.

K: Because when I see you this week I can explain to you why this would be really ridiculous and difficult week to have a debate on this issue. And by the middle of July I think we'll all see more clearly where we stand in negotiations. Of course we'll still oppose it then but it won't come out at such a delicate period.

M: I see. Well, we won't bring it up. We'll let this other bill carry over until we get back from the recess unless something is forced on us that we can't . . .

OECIASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

H. E. L. Kirtley, C.S.S. C.O. of the Commanding General Staff.

6/21/64

NASA, Dae 5/13/64

K: Well, I can prevent our people from offering any amendment that would strike - you know any proposals to strike the amendment and if that would then prevent a vote this week it would preserve everybody's position.

M: Well, that would be true Henry, providing they didn't filibuster any other legislation which would force us back to this and then you don't know what anybody would do out on the floor, you see. And the thing to do is to keep the legislation going smoothly and not give any excuse for any attempt to be made.

K: Right. Well, I'll mention this to Clark MacGregor.

M: Ok.

K: And I will call you tomorrow to see whether there wouldn't be a convenient half hour when we might get together to give you a little fill-in about the China visit.

M: OK, Henry, I'll be hearing from you.

K: Good, I'll call you tomorrow.

M: Thanks, Henry, and glad you're back.

K: Thank you and good to talk to you. Hope you feel better soon.

M: OK. Bye.

K: Bye.

Receptionist's Office
The State of California
Public Records Act

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

TELCOM
Clark MacGregor/Kissinger

12:00 Noon - 6/27/72

K: Hello.

M: Henry, Clark returning your call.

K: Yes, Clark.

M: They tell me your meeting this morning was excellent. One of the very best that - small meetings - that I've seen you hold with members of the Senate. It was just right.

K: Aren't you nice. Why did Benson leave?

M: He had an appointment.

K: OK. I wasn't offending him by what I said about Johnson.

M: No, not a bit. And Henry Bellman had a commitment at 9:30, Benson was interested in an amendment that was being debated and had to get up there.

K: Right. I talked to Mansfield. Mansfield said he would not call up his amendment this week so that the only way it could come up according to him is if you offered an amendment to strike it or an alternative amendment.

M: We won't. The only reason we would do that is if his amendment were called up. We would have no purpose - we don't wish to initiate anything on our own but merely as a defense tactic.

K: He said it might come up if there were a filibuster or something. In which case people might introduce anything. But I don't know what he was talking about. But he promised me it would not come up. He's coming out of the hospital tomorrow - it's costing me a goddamn half hour to go up and brief him about China.

M: Boy, I tell you it's worthwhile. It really is.

K: Yeh. They told me that I would get your job next.

M: I think you'd do it well.

K: No, I don't have the feel for it. I've got another call.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E1-12357
By L.B. NARA Date 5/20/72

TELCOM

Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:02 p.m. - 6/27/72

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol, how are you?

D: OK. Now Mr. Kuzmin the First Deputy of Mr. Patolichev just arrived and I talk with him so I would like to tell you his story. He arrived here . . . . . . . . in connection with the discussions that took place in Moscow and they were thinking that they would welcome Mr. Peterson as it was scheduled in July. But they think it is not really enough time for about the whole month to proceed on some issues which are of ________ so to speak. So my question is to you about lend-lease but if you prefer . . . . . Peterson. . . . . But the second thing -

K: We can have a preliminary discussion.

D: Well, it is not necessary really.

K: But I've confirmed we are definitely sending Armstrong.

D: Yes, that's why I already send yesterday's talk. And second . . . in connection with the things we discussed with the President about grain purchase. Connections with your interest and our interest so he's right here to buy some of them for cash and some of them along the lines it was discussed when Mr. Patolichev was here. And to buy on the long term with the . . . . . . according to your law. As I remember it was discussed somewhere around $700 million on a long range. It was discussed when Patolichev was here he discussed it with Peterson.

K: That's right.

D: This is really what he came to discuss right now. First to buy some grain now and the other to conclude a Canadian agreement on grain and together . . . . . this business.

K: Look, let me call Peterson immediately and then I will call you back and then we will set up an appointment.

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D: Yes, I think it may be a good idea to have them tomorrow for a meeting with Peterson.

K: I will arrange for him to see Peterson first.

D: Yes, I think this is the best way.

K: And then we will arrange all other meetings.

D: Make it tomorrow around.

K: You don't want any publicity, right?

D: No, no publicity at all. It should be for the time being kept strictly between us and you.

K: Right. I told the President and he really appreciated the speed with which your leaders responded to his request.

D: Yes, in all these economic relations we help you to put on a stable basis our American relations. So now on grain he has authorized first to buy on some and other to have an agreement signed here on a credit basis recently discussed when Patolichev was here on a large amount of money on a long-term basis.

K: Wonderful. I will call you very soon.

D: Tomorrow morning any time.

K: Good. Wonderful.

D: And the second question has nothing to do with this one. I simply would like to mention to you tomorrow. About these two fellows Ivanov and Markelov I am sorry to bother you but.

K: Didn't Markelov (exp. 2) get...

D: Well in Markelov's case we would like to get a bond back - it's around $100,000 I guess.

K: All right.

D: We would like the money back to use it more constructively, so to speak. Then secondly on the Reynolds (?) case they feel like this one - they . . . . . as if nothing happened so I really would like a second

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Authority: EOLASZT
By: CHNARA Date: StatoL

look at this business; maybe that the President by his own
authority would stop all the things or maybe as our lawyer
suggests that the lawyers could appeal to the court and ask
the court to take into consideration the years he already spent
under this sentence and the years he was under this probationary
period. I don't know how better to do it. But to please look at
this matter.

K: I will look at this matter and I'll get you an answer within a week.

D: Yes, OK.

K: Look, we've handled these things before and it's always worked out well.

D: Yes, I understand. Just two things - money back and the other is just to close the case.

K: Now let me raise an issue with you. It has to do with Shapiro.
We are not taking an official position. We're being dued with
phone calls from senators and Senator Jackson called yesterday
and he was going to make a public statement and I urged him to
keep quiet and I just wanted to express the view that if this thing
could be diffused. I don't know a damn thing about it. I don't
know what the fellow did. I think he's the fellow who married
this American girl.

D: But the question was he was subject to the military draft. He evaded it and then he met this American girl and married. So...

K: He's not an American. We can't get into this Soviet side of it.
It's merely a case where we are under a lot of pressure. This
is not going to be made a matter of record and we will never
even acknowledge that I have even talked to you about it.

D: The difficulty is that he evaded the military draft. Well, I will mention to my people about what you mentioned.

K: Just mention really we are under terrific Senatorial pressure
and we are not making an official reference to it.

D: I understand. It's just the thrust of the thing.

K: It's just to inform you what our domestic situation is.

D: I understand. OK. I will send them a report on this.

Re: President's letter to open file
of the Vice President of
Nuclear War?

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/12/04

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D: Yes, OK.

K: Now let me raise an issue with you. It has to do with Shapiro. We are not taking an official position. We're being used with phone calls from senators and Senator Jackson called yesterday and he was going to make a public statement and I urged him to keep quiet and I just wanted to express the view that if this thing could be diffused. I don't know a damn thing about it. I don't know what the fellow did. I think he's the fellow who married this American girl.

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By: Lb. NARLA Date 04/20/72

TELCOM

Ambassador Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

12:15 p.m., June 27, 1972

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Peterson will see the Deputy Minister at 10:30 tomorrow morning in his office.

D: Fine.

K: And he will handle it discreetly and constructively.

D: I think this is a very good thing.

K: And then Peterson and I will handle matters from then on.

D: I think that is good. Tomorrow at 10:30.

K: Right.

D: On the first mission I will accompany him and then later on he will go on his own.

K: Good.

D: So I think really he's done everything.

K: Good. And we won't tell anybody.

D: I shouldn't call to Peterson now?

K: It's not necessary.

D: Unnecessary, okay. So you'll speak with him?

K: No, I explained to him why it was done this way and I took the blame.

D: Okay. So 10:30.

K: 10:30.

D: Okay, Henry. Thank you very much.

K: Bye.

The President's Office
in the House of Representatives
Pنيكولز Hall

By: K.L. V. NASA Date: 5/13/74

TELCOM

Gerard Smith/Mr. Kissinger

12:48 p.m., June 27, 1972

S: Welcome back, Henry.

K: Thank you, Gerry.

S: Say tomorrow I have a date with Stennis' Committee again and I suspect one of the things they will try to say and do is where what was done. In general I am proposing to take this line and I would like to get your understanding of whether it is right or not. That the Delegation operated at all times directly under the President's guidance and from time to time the White House directly entered into the negotiation but at such times there was coordination and consultation between the White House and the SALT Delegation. I don't think anything useful is served by trying to identify what took place where.

K: Exactly. I think no useful purpose is served.

S: All right. I'll see if we can hold that line. Now, one other thing, am I on safe ground in assuming that if there is further SALT negotiation abroad this year that Farley will be acceptable to the White House as the negotiator?

K: If that's what you want.

S: I think that I have had a full dose of living abroad and I think that --

K: The only reason I wasn't stronger about it when you raised it with me first was because I didn't want you to think that there was any hesitation in having you do it.

S: Right.

K: So our position is if you want to do it, we would be delighted but if you recommend Farley, we'll approve it.

S: Right. Well, I think that would be better for a number of reasons. I don't think, Henry, we are really going to get into any great depth in a session this fall.

K: I don't think we should even try.

S: I think it will be exploratory and I think Phil ought to have a crack at it. And basically I've lived in hotel rooms enough now for three years.

The President's Office in the Senate of the Republic

CLASSIFIED
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By: KMLV NAFU, Data: 5/13/04

TELCOM

Sec. Laird/Kissinger

1:15 p.m. - 6/27/72

K: Hello, Mel.

L: How are you, Henry?

K: OK. Mel, I have somebody with me but I wanted to tell you on that issue you called me about where some people got in - it was decided in the other direction.

L: It was...

K: I mean it came out the way you wanted.

L: Oh, thank you, Henry. Thank you for calling.

K: So you can rest in peace on that.

L: Thank you very much, Henry. I appreciate your calling. Very thoughtful of you.

K: Right. I'll call you - on a contingency basis the President wanted to know what offsets might look like if you were given a drive to it but it may not require it.

L: Well, we may be driven to it anyway, Henry, because now we...

K: But that's just for his own information. That's not to be made public.

L: Right. I'll send it to him. Very good.

K: Good. But otherwise you're exactly where you wanted to be.

L: OK. Fine, Henry, we may be driven to that and I'll show you how.

K: Well, we can talk about that Friday.

L: All right, fine.

K: Good Mel.

The President/Mr. Kissinger
the State of the Republic
Publicity Staff

TELCONE
The President/Mr. Kissinger

3:10 p.m., June 27, 1972

NARA. Dae 5/12/94

P: Henry, did you finish with your people yet?

K: Yes.

P: How did it go?

K: Very well. Very well.

P: Good. These fellows, as you know, are the anchor men at the local
levels and some of them have much bigger audiences in their markets
than do the networks and so I'm glad you did them.

K: Well, I'm delighted I could do it.

P: Right. I had one other minor thought but I don't know -- it probably has
already occurred to you but when I lifted the quotas on meats, you know.

K: Yeah.

P: We want to make a little point out of that with the Australian. I already
pointed that up even though I don't know there's much they can do. But
it occurred to me that if somebody would mention the Polish hams. I
wonder if we're buying as many of those as we can. This would be a
nice little gesture to the Poles.

K: Let me look into that.

P: You see what I mean. I already told somebody to inform the Australian/
New Zealander that we were doing it for both reasons, you know what I
mean. So if it occurs to you that it's worth while, you might just call
the Polish Ambassador. Just say that the President had thought of this
and he had mentioned Polish hams and how about it. And if they haven't,
tell them to get them the hell over here fast.

K: Well, let me talk to them.

P: All right, Henry.

K: Right, Mr. President

P: Bye.

The President's Office in the Department of Defense

Publicity Release

CLASSIFIED
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TELCORN
Billy Graham/Mr. Kissinger

4:32 p.m., June 27, 1972

G: Hello, Henry, how are you?

K: I'm fine. How are you? How nice to hear from you.

G: Well, thank you and congratulations on all your goings and comings and the great things you're accomplishing.

K: Aren't you nice.

G: I talked to the President quite a long time this afternoon. I didn't have this information that I have for you at that time or I would have given it to him. Henry, it has to exactly and you already know the whole situation but I've been asked by the Jewish Community to bring to your attention and see if there's anything you could do as you did before with this Judith Silver Sapiro situation.

K: For your information, the President didn't know that when he talked to you. I have already called Dobrynin about it.

G: Oh, good. Because it is gaining momentum and Rabbi Tantabaum of the American Jewish Committee just called me and the girl is with him at the moment. And of course they had a press conference and she went over to the Soviet Embassy today. You know the whole story and apparently it is becoming quite a major thing and any little thing -- and I think that we are making great strides politically, as you know better than I do, in the Jewish Community for this fall. Because they are fighting these other people.

K: Yeah.

G: And any little thing we do along that line I think will be greatly appreciated by these people.

K: Right. Well, you can tell your Jewish friends that we have already appealed to Dobrynin.

G: Um-humm.

K: On behalf of the President.

G: I will do that. I think that will thrill them very much and they will keep it in confidence.

K: Good. If you could do it in confidence.

The President's Office in the Senate
the Senate of the Republic
President's Office

DECLASSIFIED
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6/21/72

NASA Date 5/12/72

TELCORN

Billy Graham/Mr. Kissinger

4:32 p.m., June 27, 1972

G: I will do it in confidence. And I appreciate it very much. And how are you feeling physically?

K: I'm feeling fine. I hate to say, I almost feel obliged -- you know, everyone expects me to feel badly but --

G: (laughter) Well, I know you have a lot of people of all faiths that pray for you and I personally am very grateful that you are at the President's side. You'll never know what you've meant to him.

K: Well, you are a good friend and it means a lot to me to have your support.

G: Well, you have it. And I am very thankful for you. Anytime I can be of service to you, don't hesitate to call.

K: Well, you already have been and above all, I hope to see you when you come through here.

G: All right. Well, thank you very much and God bless you.

K: Thank you.

G: Bye.

["A. M. H. J. M. H. J. M. H. J. M

Husqville Three the open he
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TELECON

Dave Kraslow

6/27/72 5:11 p.m.

HK: Hello.

DK: Yes sir.

HK: I just wanted to tell you I've talked to Herb Schlosser -- he's going to be the new Executive Vice President of NBC

DK: Right.

HK: And he told me he'd look into it.

DK: Well, I couldn't ask for anything more. May I tell you some good news please in confidence.

HK: Oh, of course.

DK: I have this afternoon, subject to my passing a physical which I'm confident I'll be able to pass despite my little mile heart attack a couple of years ago, I've accepted an offer to become Assistant Managing Editor in Charge of all foreign and national coverage with the Washington Star.

HK: Isn't that terrific.

DK: I think it's a tremendous move.

HK: I congratulate the Washington star . . . God dammit, I . . .

DK: At the proper moment Henry I would appreciate it very much if you could be in touch with Newbie Noyes. I think the thing will be announced probably next Monday.

HK: Well, should I do it before or . . .

DK: Well, no, let's wait, let's wait.

HK: I'll certainly call him after the announcement. I'll call him before if there's any question about it.

DK: No, there's no question. I've accepted the offer and I just have to pass the physical and I'm sure I will. I just had my annual last month and I came through with flying colors. They said I was stronger now than I was before the heart attack.

HK: Well, all I can say is, here I'm working to get you the hell out of town and I'm going to have you now on my neck in all foreign and what news?

TELECON

Dave Kraslow

6/27/72 5:11 p.m. p. 2

Re: Dave Kraslow's phone call
11:00AM, Sep. 3, 1972
Re: phone call

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1295B, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/12/72

DK: National.

HK: In other words you're going to be a phenomenal pain in the ass.

DK: That's right. You're going to have me more on your neck than ever before. You're going to have 15 guys coming at you from all directions.

HK: Jesus Christ!

DK: And I think there are going to be exciting things happening at the Star.

HK: You know now what's going to happen when I tell Herb Schlosser that that's done. Now you will be irresistible to him.

DK: That's right, that's right. It always happens that way.

HK: I'm delighted, Dave. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

DK: Henry, I can't tell you, I just don't know how to tell you, how much I appreciated . . .

HK: Not at all. I've admired you . . .

DK: Don't tell me not at all. That's bull shit. It meant everything to me to have you in my corner in the manner which you did. You have a few other things to take care of and I . . .

HK: Yeah, but none that I compare in pleasure to getting you out of town, and now you've thwarted me again.

DK: Listen, when this thing gets settled can we . . .

HK: We'll have a drink together.

DK: I couldn't . . .

HK: It couldn't happen to a better man.

DK: I appreciate it very much.

HK: And I will call Noyes as soon as you give me the word and congratulate him.

DK: All right, and you'll give me a few exclusive stories to get me started, right?

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

TELCORN

Secretary Peterson/Mr. Kissinger

June 27, 1972 - Approx. 7:00 p.m.

[Conversation picks up on this tape as follows]

K: Well, let's announce the trip at the end of next week. Yeah.

P: All right. Now, if we're trying to posture me, is that when you'd like to do that is the week we're leaving, is that right? Or would you be willing to do it the previous Friday or thereabouts.

K: Well, the President, I know would rather do it the following Monday.

P: Which is the 17th.

K: Right.

P: Rather than the 14th?

K: Right.

P: It interferes a little bit with my Morocco business is all. I could fly back I guess. But you're pretty sure he'd rather do it the 17th, huh?

K: Well, let me ask him.

P: Oh, hell, I hate to bother him with that.

K: I'm pretty sure, yes.

P: You are. All right, then we'll do it that way.

K: Okay.

P: I'll bother you in the morning on the Lendlease.

K: Good.

P: Okay. Thank you.

K: Bye.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.5

The President of the Senate to the Vice President of the Senate
and the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United
States of America:

Telcon 6/27 -7:25 p.m.

Ron Ziegler

By: KMLV NASA Date: 5/13/04

K: Hello.

Z: Henry?

K: Yes

Z: Have you been up with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee yet?

K: Yes.

Z: You've been spotted up there.

K: So what?

Z: What do I say?

K: Say it was one of my regular meetings on a personal basis at the invitation of Fulbright.

Z: What did you have drinks?

K: Yeah.

Z: What did you say?

K: What difference does it make? We discussed --

Z: No I mean you didn't cover any new ground.

K: No.

Z: Okay

K: It wasn't a formal session. I have drinks with him about once a month.

Z: Was it in his office?

K: No it was in a hideaway he has got.

Z: His back office?

K: It isn't his back office there is a room he has which he uses to have lunches and so forth.

Z: What did you have cocktails?

Re: [insert telephone number here]

John Smith, General Manager
Publicity Dept.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3,6

Telcon

6/27 - 7:30p.m.

Herb Schlosser (NBC)

By: K.H. W. NASA Email: S/13/94

K: Hello

S: Hello Henry

K: Herb, how are you?

S: Fine how are you?

K: Okay

S: Kraslow

K: Yes.

S: I checked into it and apparently NBC has seen him and actually put him on tape and he viewed quite favorably.

K: Oh really?

S: I don't know that anything will happen, I don't know but I do know that he has been under consideration.

K: I didn't even know that. I ran into him today and he told me that he will probably get to be editor in charge of international and national affairs at the Washington Star. I don't know how that differs from Executive Editor, I don't know what there is except international and national affairs. At any rate that's what he's being

S: I gather he is favorably regarded in a number of places. I really didn't have to pick at all or do anything except to find out that they are right in the middle of this thing.

K: So I have to tell you Herb, probably I was wrong in feeling sorry for him.

S: Well no but maybe he got a raw deal and your interest in him as a person -- he would be very gratified to know you took this kind of interest in him.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

Re: [insert telephone number here]
Is this phone in use?
Please call!

Telcon

6/27 - 7:30 p.m.

Herb Schloeser (NBC)

By: K.L. W. NASHA, O.B.

5/13/04

K: Well he had been a decent guy but I thought it best to do that on my own.

S: Alright do you think you'll get a chance to see me next week and do you have any idea what would be a good evening for you. Or are your plans not set enough for that.

K: I don't have a particular at this point I don't think I have any particular plans.

S: Do you expect that you could be available July 3, maybe? We would love to see you and plan to have some people in where you might enjoy yourself.

K: What is the 3rd Monday.

S: It is the day before the 4th - before the big holiday.

K: Do they celebrate the 4th or do they celebrate the 3rd?

S: The 4th will be the celebrated day and the 3rd -- I don't know as a matter of fact -- I know that most businesses will be closed both days. I think the 4th is still celebrated as the 4th whereas some of these other holidays are Monday holidays. I am not even sure -- I didn't think of it until now.

K: That's one reason I would hesitate if Monday is the end of the holiday then getting into Los Angeles will be ____.

S: No it won't be the end. I am sure that the 4th will be a holiday -- the 4th is a holiday all over out here -- everything will be closed the 4th.

K: Oh, it will?

S: Yes it will. Why don't you see what your own plans are and let us know.

K: When can I let you know?

S: Anytime this week whenever you think yours are firmed up.

Telcon

6/27 - 7:36pm

Barbara Walters

OCLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: Hello

B: Hello

K: Barbara, that's a blow to my ego.

B: I know it. I think it does you good every once in a while.

K: Yeah, but God - I had notified Maxine Chesire and all the local papers

B: You called her - I called her too.

K: My God.

B: Yeah - isn't that too bad -- well we will make it another time. I also thought that if I am doing this sensational story on you which will have all of America talking I shouldn't show up three hours later for my pay-off luncheon.

K: No I understand that.

B: I really would love to see.

K: I thought it was something like that - I probably ruined the second suggestion I was going to make to you.

B: What was that?

K: It turned out that I was going to call you anyway - that I have to be in New York tomorrow afternoon and I'm going to have dinner with Nancy and the evening. Would you like to join Nancy, but that has the same implication.

B: No I would love to see you and Nancy, it is not that - I have plans tomorrow night and I don't know what I can do about it. Lee(?) is not here tomorrow night - he is away - so it may be better I don't as I stop and think about it.

K: OH God - we would be delighted. Really - Of course we would be delighted if Lee could join too - but that shouldn't bother you at all. We would really be delighted.

Telcon

6/27 - 7:36 pm

Barbara Walters

Re: your call at 7:30 pm
in the morning
Purdue Call?

OCLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: KMH WASH Date: 5/13/04

B: You would share Nancy with me.

K: Barbara how can you tag along.

B: Well are you

K: No I have check with Nancy quite seriously and she is very fond of you.

B: I have plans for tomorrow night if I can call in the morning and

K: Call in the morning - it requires nothing.

B: Okay - what time are you going to be leaving Washington?

K: Oh about 3:30.

B: Alright if I can switch my plans for tomorrow and make it just as easily another evening I will and if I can't

K: Well really it is quite relaxed and I have to leave fairly early anyway to go back.

B: Well that is fine with me because I am on the air every day this week and I am getting kind of weary.

K: It is really going to be very easy.

B: Okay I would like to - let me try and I will have Mary call your secretary -- Diane isn't there anymore is she?

K: She got married they will do anything to get out of here. You are standing me up for lunch - the old charm is failing.

B: Let me try and I will call and leave word one way or the other -- and if I can't if it is something that I keep as is then I will talk with you when I get back from California and by that time you will be back in Washington.

K: Good when do you get back from California.

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sect. 3.6

Telcon

6/27 - 8:35pm

Laird

By: K.L. W. NAFU, Date: 5/12/04

K: Hello

L: Hello Henry

K: Mel how are you.

L: Good

K: I couldn't talk to you earlier.

L: Did you watch the votes today - the roll call?

K: No they weren't very good were they?

L: They were beautiful - just beautiful.

K: Really?

L: One better than two to one and the NCA, one better than three to one on the Pls and three to one on the Trident. A hundred million dollar add-on for SALT was better than two to one.

K: But not in the Senate.

L: We won the end of the war thing - the Senate didn't vote today.

K: I understand we are having troubles in the committees there.

L: Well - I have just got through talking to Goldwater and the rest of them. Goldwater, Dominick and Schweiker are against Stennis because and I am going to talk to Stennis tonight. They feel that Stennis is an old maid and the only thing he is interested in is Mississippi. I have got to kind of get that thing ______ down.

K: Well the House votes were terrific (?) and you handled it beautifully.

L: They were good now Henry.

K: You know the President approved today your full program and all he wants from you is you know in case we have to retreat on offset he just wants it for himself. He doesn't want

Re: [illegible text] the report is in
the file of the confidential
Papers of the State?

Telcon

6/27 - 8:35pm

Laird

Page 2

By: K.L. W. NAFIA Date: 5/12/04

L: I'll give it to you Friday.

K: Good and this will not go to OMB or anybody else.

L: I'll get it to you Friday.

K: I have another problem I want to raise with you. We are going to make this announcement tomorrow about the withdrawals. And the President also wants to announce the end of draftees now I know you think we should do it for September 1 but we just can't believe that 800 people can't be found and we feel that this is the best time to do it.

L: Well if he wants to do it it is alright but you are setting up sort of a second class citizens draft if you ever want to use Selective Service again.

K: Well it is at the end of the war and we have held off on it for as long as possible and he thinks that is the best thing to do now.

L: But limit it to Vietnam because. To expand over 8000 men on the ships off the coast there whose enlistments have expired. The 8000 men are going to be extended because we have to keep them there we can't fly them home. Their enlistments have run out.

K: Which 8000 are they?

L: We have got those carriers over there and those other ships operating in the enlistment

K: Oh no we will confine it to Vietnam and I will get it checked with your office.

L: If you confine it to Vietnam and don't include - because we are going to extend some others.

K: We will just confine it to Vietnam.

L: Okay. You can find the people for Vietnam.

OCLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

~~19. What is the purpose of this call?~~
~~I am calling from the White House.~~
~~What is your name?~~
~~I am Melvin L. Smith.~~

Telcon

6/27 - 8:35pm

Laird

6/27/84

NASA Date 5/13/84

K: Well that's what I figured - so we will confine it to Vietnam - in fact let me just see the tentative language we got here. Here it says in conjunction with this announcement the President has also decided that effectively immediately draftees will no longer be assigned for duty in South Vietnam unless they volunteer for service there.

L: Is he going to give us a little longer period this time than two months?

K: No he was going to give you two months - go down to the figure you recommended.

L: Yeah

K: In other words 39.

L: I understand that. Well we can do it that always just puts us up against a crunch all the time but -

K: Well hell you wouldn't know what to do with a spaced-out program.

L: It give you a little bit of breathing room Henry.

K: No but you have learned to live so dangerously that if we took of the pressure you would collapse.

L: Yeah but I don't think you understand what that pressure is.

K: Yeah I think probably not. Because you make it look so easy.

L: I know - well we can do it but make sure that that language is carefully worded.

K: Well that is what the language is now - is it agreeable to you.

L: Alright.

K: Okay Mel but that is strictly between us.

L: Now you are not going to take those people that are there back?

K: No it says specifically those who are there are to serve out their term.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.6

December 1, 1967, 1:00 p.m.

Re: The News about the open line
in the House of Representatives
of Wisconsin State.

By: K.L. W. NAVA Date: 5/13/67

Telcon

6/27 - 8:35pm

Laird

Page 4

L: Okay Henry

K: Alright Mel now if I see any stories datelined Colorado Springs we know where it came from.

L: What do you mean?

K: This announcement.

L: Oh don't worry about that.

K: Okay

L: Really those were great votes today. I just got through talking to Eddie Ab____.

K: I didn't see the House votes people have been ______ all over me about Goldwater and Dominick all afternoon.

L: I just finished talking to Goldwater for thirty minutes.

K: Well congratulations.

L: Goldwater will be alright - we have got to get Dominick and I will talk to him tonight.

K: Well if you see us through that I think you will have performed a tremendous service.

L: Let me tell you the vote will be Thursday in the committee and we have a bunch of guys like that Schweiker I would like to clue him in.

K: He is a sore head.

L: OKay

K: Congratulations.

L: We will win this thing don't worry.

K: As long as you handle it.

It appears there is a typographical error in the record of the case of Dr. Kissinger's case in the Department of State.

By: J.M.L. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCONE

Attorney General Kleindienst

9:47 a.m., June 28, 1972

K: Dr. Kissinger!

HAK: That's right. You got the name right on the first try.

K: (laughter)

HAK: You must have had the FBI look it up.

K: I just want to establish the identity so the tape recording would be accurate.

HAK: I see.

K: I don't know if this is worth bothering you about but we have a United States Attorney in New Jersey by the name of Herbert Stern who is a very able aggressive ______ U.S. attorney. Incidentally, United States Attorneys are Presidential appointees. That shall be revelant here. He has written a letter to the Department requesting authorization for him to go to Russia --

HAK: Oh, Jesus.

K: With Jewish professionals and businessmen. After you know the auspices of the ______ to go over there and talk to Russian prosecutors --

HAK: About the Saprino --

K: Well, no. About 3 million Jews in the Soviet Union who want to leave and can't. I don't think that you want to have a appointee of President Nixon --

HAK: No, absolutely not.

K: Running around over there? Does that track?

HAK: That is 100% correct.

K: That's what I thought. But I just thought I would call you so I can tell Mr. Stern --

HAK: For God's sake, turn him off if you have any authority over him.

K: I have absolute authority over my U.S. attorneys, Dr. Kissinger.

The telephone system has opened up a
wide range of possibilities in public affairs.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: KHLW NASHA, Date: 5/13/84

TELCOM

Attorney General Kleindienst/Mr. Kissinger

9:47 a.m., June 28, 1972

HAK: Well, I'm just -- that's more than I can say about my staff.

K: That's why I said it that way. How are you doing ole pal?

HAK: I'm doing fine. How are you?

K: Everything I read in the paper is absolutely magnificent but I wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth.

HAK: Well, that's an understatement.

K: I'm very, very proud of you, Dr. Kissinger. You're doing a great job for our President and our country.

HAK: You've been a good friend. Look, why don't you drop by for a half hour some day.

K: I'd love to, just tell me when.

HAK: I'll get my girl to call you.

K: She'll call me.

HAK: I don't have anything -- it's just to establish contact.

K: Okay, boy. Good.

HAK: Good. Bye.

The President's Office in the Senate
The Senate of the Republic of Mexico

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/13/04

TELCOM

Sec. Peterson/Kissinger
2:50 p.m. - 6/28/72

K: Hello.

P: Henry.

K: Pete.

P: Would you have any time at all if I were to run over to review what to do about grains?

K: Could we do it tomorrow morning?

P: Well, I promised Dobrynin I'd tell him this afternoon. They're waiting.

K: Tell him what?

P: How we want to handle the negotiations.

K: Oh, Jesus. I've got people coming in and I've got to get off to New York. How long will it take us?

P: 7 minutes - something like that. I can do it real fast.

K: Well, come at 3:30.

P: 3:30?

K: Yes.

P: Good.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority F012587
By: CNARA Date 05/01

TELCORN

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

K: Hello, Anatol, how are you?

D: Oh, hello. How are you?

K: Okay.

D: Has Peterson told you of our meeting today with him?

K: Yes. He thought you were unusually constructive.

D: (laughter) Well, at least once for a while it is easier. Yes, so why not do easier.

K: Well, I think the situation is getting ridiculous when we settle all our problems so quickly and the staff has all the fun.

D: We really deserve vacations, don't we?

K: That's right. I was hoping we could save it and say Peterson and Dobrynin screwed it up again. Then it has to go into the President/ Brezhnev channel. No, no; I think it's a very constructive talk and Peterson and I are going to work out how to handle it here bureaucratically and then we'll let you know.

D: You will tell us today or tomorrow?

K: We'll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow morning.

D: Yes, I think it would be better.

K: Now, on the pipeline payment --

D: On what?

K: On that July 1st payment. The way we would like to handle it is to give you a bill now.

D: Yes.

K: But say -- normally, we have found out you don't pay it until August 1st.

D: No, I think you always pay them by the July 1st.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Foi:2357
By CNARA Date Stot:01

TELCORN

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

- 2 -

K: Well, our people claim not till August 1st. But at any rate, we will give you a bill and say it's due on August 1st.

D: Due in what way?

K: It will just say you owe us this amount.

D: Oh, I see.

K: But you don't pay it till -- We will say it is due for payment on August 1st, you see what I mean?

D: It means we are not going to pay exactly on the 1st of July but we will pay on the 1st of August.

K: Right. And then Peterson will settle the whole thing when he gets there and has a comprehensive discussion.

D: Where? In Moscow.

K: In Moscow.

D: So in this case, we just make it postponed about everything until the 1st of August.

K: Exactly.

D: Um-humm.

K: And we will give you a formal paper. It will justify it so that you are not defaulting for a month if that's what worries you.

D: Yes, yes, yes.

K: We will give you a piece of paper that you owe us whatever the damn sum is.

D: Yeah, I understand.

K: July 1st but it isn't due until August 1st.

D: I understand. Okay, I think it's fine.

TELCON

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

K: Okay?

D: Yes, it's quite all right.

K: Because that way we don't have to go into the bureaucratic argument here on what this is.

D: Yeah. If it's okay with you, I'll give Brezhnev a call.

K: Right.

D: Without worrying how to do it. So it's actually like a postponement of a payment for one month?

K: Right and it enables then Peterson to have a comprehensive discussion with your people when he gets there in July.

D: Who will give the paper? You will give them?

K: No, Peterson will send it over to you.

D: Peterson, all right. That's all right. Then, Henry, about this motor boat, they asked me ....

K: Oh, dammit! I'll get you an answer tomorrow.

D: (laughter) Because they are pressing on me about it.

K: Right.

D: You will tell me tomorrow?

K: Right. Now, Anatol, as long as I've got you on the phone, how should we read the Brezhnev pleads on Vietnam? I read it to mean that Castro is in town and he has to say something.

D: There is nothing new in our position.

K: Nothing new.

D: No.

K: Okay. Well, that's what I thought.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority FEBRUARY 28, 1972
By CNAR Date 03 Mar 72

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Fob 12578
By CNARA Date 04-01-72

TELCOM

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

D: On this really it is very clear.

K: That's what I thought.

D: Yes. There's nothing really new.

K: And you, of course, have communicated our plans to your people?

D: Yes. Everything. As was SALT which I mentioned to you.

K: Well, we'll get a reply tomorrow we've been told and then I will let you know when we have it.

D: Yes. You know, you understand .................... there is nothing new in what he said and what we discussed with you privately.

D: Yes. ...

K: Good.

D: ... He's going to make an announcement about a troop withdrawal.

K: Yeah, he's made it already.

D: Already. I haven't seen it yet. He has made it already?

K: Yes.

D: Okay.

K: It's not world-shaking. Just 10,000 for two months.

D: For the month?

K: I mean, 5,000 a month.

D: Is this the final before the election?

K: We haven't decided yet.

D: Oh, you haven't decided yet.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority FOLKSTON
By ANA Date Stated

TELCONE

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

- 5 -

K: We'll be out in 8 years.

D: Yeah. Oh, I see (laughter). In what, 8 years? I think that's fair enough.

K: That's off the record. I mean, they wanted a fixed deadline and we're now prepared to give it.

D: (laughter) Well, well, you have a very promising position I shall say.

K: Yeah, but we are flexible about it.

D: Yeah, I understand!

K: We're willing to listen to counterproposals.

D: Yeah, I understand. This year, as you know, is a year basically of diplomacy ... And then you will get what you want.

pretty

K: No, but you and we are reaching the point now where we start/close with our honest position.

D: No, no, I think it's really more than enough.

K: The way we are moving now I think that's true.

D: Yes. But really basically it's true. It has its ups and downs but as I mentioned to you the last time, once the basic decision was taken, this is probably ... on the direct line and you really rather big decision taken.

K: But, Anatol, on the troop withdrawal, whatever we announce, we've told you what our intentions are. That is not the obstacle.

D: Yeah, I understand.

K: We'll settle the troop withdrawal issue very rapidly once we get the other ones out of the way.

D: Yeah, I understand. All other decisions which was earlier discussed.

K: Exactly. There's no change in our position.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Follett
By CNARA Date 06/28/72

TELCORN

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

D: I understand.

K: And no other country has our position except you.

D: Yeah, I understand. And with not the Chinese knowledge.

K: Well, through you, not through us.

D: No, no; through us. The reference/residence (?) ........ in Moscow.

K: But what I meant -- I'm just repeating what I told you the other day.
We were not this specific in Peking.

D: About this particular sentence.

K: About the political side.

D: All right. So tomorrow then on this thing you mentioned, Peterson
will call me about it.

K: Peterson will be in touch.

D: Good. You owe me answer on this ____ boat. (laughter)

K: Tomorrow.

D: Yes. And second, well, if you could tomorrow or whenever about
these two gentlemen that you mentioned. You will not .....

K: It's on my agenda.

D: It is.

K: We'll settle it; don't worry about that.

D: Well, thank you very much, Henry.

K: Right. Bye.

H. E. S. T. (H. E. S.)
S. S. of C. (S. S. C.)
Majors' Staff

By: K.M.V. NASA Date: 5/12/64

TELCOM

Ambassador Dobrymin/Mr. Kissinger

37 p.m., June 28, 1972

D: Oh, hello. How are you?

K: Okay.

K: That's right. I was hoping we could save it and say Peterson and Dobrymin screwed it up again. Then it has to go into the President/ Breshnev channel. No, no; I think it's a very constructive talk and Peterson and I are going to work out how to handle it here bureaucratically and then we'll let you know.

D: On what?

D: Yes.

Husqville House, the open house
in the North, one of the best
of the three small
Houses in the City.

By: KMLV NARA, Date: 5/12/04

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

D: Due in what way?

D: Oh, I see.

K: Right. And then Peterou will settle the whole thing when he gets there and has a comprehensive discussion.

D: Where? In Moscow.

K: In Moscow.

K: Exactly.

D: Um-humm.

D: Yes, yes, yes.

D: Yeah, I understand.

It is possible to open this file
in the same way if you click on it.
Click on the OK button.

By: KHL V NASA Date 5/12/04

TELECON

3:37 p.m., June 26, 1972

K: Okay?

D: Yes, it's quite all right.

big

D: Yeah. If it's okay with you, I'll give Breshnev a call.

K: Right.

D: Without worrying how to do it. So it's actually like a postpannement of a payment for one month?

K: Right and it enables then Petersen to have a comprehensive discussion with your people when he gets there in July.

K: No, Petersen will send it over to you.

D: Petersen, all right. That's all right. Then, Henry, about this motor boat, they asked me ....

K: Right.

D: You will tell me tomorrow?

K: Right. Now, Anatoli, as long as I've got you on the phone, how should we read the Breshnev pleads on Vietnam? I read it to mean that Castro is in town and he has to say something.

K: Nothing new.

D: No.

The President has opened his
letter to the nation with these words:
We are at a crossroads. We must make a decision.

By: KMHV NASHUA, Date: 5/12/94

TELCOM

Ambassador Debrynin/Mr. Kissinger

3:37 p.m., June 28, 1972

K: We'll be out in 8 years.

D: Yeah, I understand

pretty

D: Yes. But really basically it's true. It has its ups and downs but as I mentioned to you the last time, once the basic decision was taken, this is probably ... on the direct line and you really ____ rather big decision taken.

K: But, Antol, on the troop withdrawal, whatever we announce, we've told you what our intentions are. That is not the obstacle.

D: Yeah, I understand.

OCLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: KMLV NAFU Date: 5/12/84

H. P.汤森·B·W·霍尔特公司
H·P·汤森 & B·W·霍尔特公司
H·P·汤森 & B·W·霍尔特

TELCONE

Robert Evans/Kissinger

4:20 p.m. - 6/28/72

E: Henry.

K: Bob, how are you?

E: Fine, how was China?

K: Good, best trip yet.

E: Really. That's terrific, Henry.

K: Yeh.

E: When are you leaving for California?

K: Friday.

E: Good, we're leaving Friday also.

K: Oh, is Ali going back with you?

E: Yes.

K: Tremendous.

E: How long it's going to stay that way I don't know. But for the moment she's going back with me. What are your plans?

K: Well, I don't know.

E: We're going to Palm Springs for the weekend to get some hot sun. But where can I reach you out there?

K: At the San Clemente White House number.

E: I have that number, don't I?

K: I think so.

E: You're leaving on Saturday?

K: I'll be there Friday night and Saturday.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295B, Sect. 3.6

H. W. REED, CHIEF, DIV. OF COMBATIVE POLICY, WAR DEPARTMENT

By: K. H. W. NASH, D.C.C. 5/12/64

2

E: I'll call you there Saturday morning.

K: Why don't you do that.

E: I'll take you over to ______ if we don't go down maybe we can do it Wednesday night or Tuesday night.

K: Good. Terrific. Bob, can I ask you one other thing? The Soviet Ambassador may come out there while I'm there - and his wife - and they've never seen a movie studio. Can you help me?

E: Absolutely. I'll show them through Paramount.

K: And also I'd like to give a dinner for them.

E: I can give a dinner for them too.

K: Well no, if you do it I want to pay for it.

E: Silly.

K: No, no then I won't do it.

E: When are they coming out?

K: The week after this.

E: The week after. I'm sure I'll still be there.

K: All I would want is your help in a guest list that's fairly - they want to see some movie people but we don't want to get the idiots together.

E: No. How many people would you like to have, Henry?

K: 14 or something like that.

E: Fine, we could have 20.

K: Well, I won't let you pay for it because if you insist on paying for it I'll do it in a hotel.

E: It would be my pleasure to do it.

It appears there is a typographical error in the transcript.
Please read the material again.

By: KN.Y. NAVA. Date: 5/13/04

3

K: No, that I can't accept but I. . .

E: Well, whatever it is - you can bring me three ties, Henry.

K: What I would like very much is your advice about whom we should get together.

E: I'll work on a list between now and Saturday.

K: Terrific.

E: And I'll speak with you in San Clemente on Saturday.

K: That'd be marvelous.

E: I look forward to seeing you.

K: Good and I'm glad so far it's working out.

E: It's day by day, Henry.

K: I'd like to get a hold of her.

E: I'd like you to get a hold of her. You will out in California.

K: Right. Sometime you ought to come down to San Clemente for a day.

E: We'll do that as a matter of fact. Is he going to be there - the President?

K: Yes.

E: Well, we'd come down to see you.

K: Oh sure.

E: But you'll come up or we'll come down.

K: Well, we can work that out there.

E: I'll call you Saturday morning.

K: Call me Saturday morning and we can work something out then.

E: Terrific. I look forward to seeing you.

K: Good. Bye.

Re: phone call with the press to the
the White House and the administration
Press release?

6/29/72
NASA Date 5/12/72

TELCONE

Gerard Smith/Kissinger

9:02 a.m. - 6/29/72

K: Hello.

S: Henry, did you see the story in the _Times_ about Jackson's position?

K: I haven't read it yet.

S: He cites the 1970 proposal that we made and as I told him yesterday in the hearing - the thing is the statement he made is incorrect. But I wasn't going to go into it because it's classified information. But if the White House wanted to it seems to me you could demolish his position by just saying, for example, look at the one that was cited in the _Times_ this morning where he says we proposed 1900 missiles for both sides and that number actually included heavy bombers whereas our present proposal doesn't include heavy bombers.

K: Oh, I see.

S: So it seemed to me I shouldn't do it since I wouldn't do it before the Congress yesterday but I don't see why the Administration couldn't just blow this thing out of the water by saying 'take his very first number which he says is 1900 and how terribly we've dropped now by letting the Soviets have 2300 or something.'" Whereas actually the bombing number or the missile number we proposed in 1970 was 1710 each which is our figure.

K: The missile number?

S: Yes. He cites 1900 in that one sentence.

K: Oh, of course because that 190...

S: included bombers.

K: Yes. Do you think it's worth answering?

S: Well, I don't have a good judgment on that. It's on the 6th or 7th page of the _Times_.

K: I'll read it right away. One other point, I haven't read the transcript so this is a fourth hand report, some people told me that he made a lot of fuss about that 10 to 15 per cent silo dimension thing.

To: [insert name here]

From: [insert name here]

By: KML W NASA Date: 5/13/04

2

S: Well, he doesn't quite know how to handle it but what he's trying to do is to say that if you can increase the silo 10 to 15 per cent you can increase the missile volume 50 per cent and I think there's something in that.

K: My records indicate that when we asked the delegation they said that 10 to 15 per cent is better than to raise significantly. If

S: That's correct. / we just had no numerical criterion that would have been worse than the way you had it.

K: So this was not something that was . . . because they told me he made two points; one that the figure isn't any good and secondly that this was done without the delegation but that isn't true.

S: No, he is trying to show a record of sort of last minute things but the facts were that we had been talking with the Soviets about 5 to 10 per cent and you got 10% to 15% so there's no case to be made there.

K: Right. Ok. Thank you.

Re: [insert telephone number]
1-800-293-6800
Please call us on a commercial
phone.

By: K.L. W.

NASHA, Date: 5/13/72

TELCONE

Sec. Peterson/Kissinger
9:25 a.m. - 6/29/72

K: Hello.

P: Yes, sir.

K: What is it Dobrynin is waiting from me for?

P: You were going to call Butz, remember?

K: Yes, that I'm going to do this minute.

P: And I was then going to call Butz and make specific arrangements for the person that he was going to have and then we were going to set a time over here to get started. I just thought you and I had agreed that before I make specific arrangements with Butz...

K: That's right. I'll call Butz this minute.

P: Now I've got the name of the guy they're going to use but I didn't think I should get any specifics until...

K: That who is going to use?

P: That agriculture will use. We need one expert from over there, Henry, because these are very technical discussions.

K: To work with you.

P: That's right.

K: Shouldn't Dobrynin and his guy call on Butz first?

P: Call on him?

K: Yeah.

P: I guess that's one way of handling it. I was going to have a meeting over here and let his underling know what it's about and then have a meeting later in the day sometime.

K: Well, either way. I'm going to call Butz. You know, I'm just wondering about Butz's insatiabilities.

Re: telephone conference
of the Staff of the Office of the Chief of Staff
and the Staff of the Deputy Chief of Staff

By: KHL

NARA. Date: 5/13/64

TELCOM

9:25 a.m., June 29, 1972

P: Well, I'll tell you, I called last night to say you are going to be hearing from Henry and I'm not going to make any comments on the subject. I would want to know if you've got a guy in town who will represent you. He gave me the name of the guy. He said how many ______ and I said nevermind, you'll be pleased with the indications.

K: Right.

P: So can you call him now, Henry. I will then get the meeting set up and then we will arrange a session with Butz later in the day.

K: Right. Okay.

P: All right.

K: Good.

P: Thank you.

H. W. Griswold, the senior
officer, and S. M. Griswold, the
Assistant Assistant Secretary.

By: K.H. W. NASA Date: 5/13/64

TELCOM

Sec. Peterson/Kissinger

9:25 a.m. - 6/29/72

K: Hello.

P: Yes, sir.

P: And I was then going to call Butz and make specific arrangements for the person that he was going to have and then we were going to set a time over here to get started. I just thought you and I had agreed that before I make specific arrangements with Butz. . .

P: Now I've got the name of the guy they're going to use but I didn't think I should get any specifics until . .

K: That who is going to use?

K: To work with you.

P: That's right.

P: Call on him?

K: Yeah.

H. E. T. Wilson, the special c. o. of the State Department.

6/21/72
NASA Dated 5/12/72

TELCOM
Secretary Butz/Mr. Kissinger

9:34 a.m., June 29, 1972

B: Henry, Earl Butz.

K: Hello, how are you? I wanted to call you about the Soviet Deputy Trade Minister who is over here. I wanted to give you a little bit of the background. The President in our last meeting with Brezhnev said he thought it would be extremely helpful if we could get a substantial agricultural deal done fairly quickly.

B: Um-humm.

K: They have now sent the man over here.

B: Kuzmin.

K: Yeah.

B: I met him in Moscow. You know him too. He's a very keen, I think, perceptive fellow.

K: Right. And as I understand it -- this is just for you, do you have anyone on the line?

B: No.

K: They are willing to buy about $750 million on a three-year basis and with three-year credit which is essentially, you know, our offer.

B: Yeah, that's what we said. It's at commercial rates.

K: That's right.

B: Now don't yield a cent on that, Henry.

K: No, I'm getting out of the deal.

B: Oh, okay. I talked to Peterson last night and from the start we said don't yield one iota on that deal because the Russians apparently felt that we were over a barrel and had to do this politically. We don't need to do it politically.

K: No, what the Russians want though is to keep this thing absolutely secret and have no press speculation until it is done.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.Y

NARA. Dated: 5/12/74

TELCON
Secretary Butz/Mr. Kissinger

9:34 a.m., June 29, 1972

B: That's right.

K: Now why they want it, I don't know.

B: Well, they're afraid it will put the price up.

K: Oh, is that it?

B: Oh, sure. I mean, if this came off, the market would jump a nickel today.

K: I see.

B: ... because it's got to be handled through commercial channels, as you know.

K: Well, Peter is going to get in touch with you.

B: He did last night. You probably tried to get me last night and I was out of the office for a while.

K: Well, I figured his self-restraint wasn't up to it.

B: I think this is wonderful, Henry, and we appreciate it.

K: The major thing I am really calling you -- but I won't get into the negotiations beyond this point except, you know, that we'd like to be informed if any snag develops because I think we can break it with the Brezhnev channel.

B: Our man, Carroll Brunthaver, who is the Assistant Secretary, and fully conversant with commodities and with the CCC will be there. He was not with us on the Moscow team but he's fully conversant.

K: And I also suggested that they call on you at some point in the next day or so, just so that you have a chance to say hello to this fellow.

B: I would like to. How long is he going to be here?

K: Oh, I think as long as necessary to get it done. I told Pete to arrange it but if there's any trouble, let my office know and I'll arrange it.

B: Their being in town is still confidential, isn't it?

K: Their being in town is generally known but the subject is totally confidential.

["A. M. E. T. S. U. C. A. F. O. R. C. A. F. O. R. C

It appears that the open line in the name is a typographical error.

By: KM.Y NAVA. Data: 5/12/04

K: I completely agree.

B: Okay.

K: That's another reason we don't want any leaks.

B: Okay. I think we could have him do it out there at the right place, it will be a tremendous dramatic stroke.

K: Why don't you give that some thought too?

B: We'll do that. I'm going to be out of town today.

K: I don't know whether it is better to do it before or after the Democratic Convention.

B: I don't think it makes any difference. We ought to do it concurrent with the announcement in Moscow.

K: Right.

B: And they won't want it done until they consummate their purchase because the announcement will knock the price up at least a nickel.

K: Yeah. Well, that's why they are absolutely insistent that it be kept secret.

B: And they are right.

K: Right.

B: Okay, Henry. We appreciate all you've done on this.

K: Thank you.

B: Right.

K: Right. Bye.

Receptionist's Note: the open line is
high, and so is the confidential
飄传机's half

By: K.L. W.

NASA, Date 5/13/72

TELCOM
Ziegler/Kissinger
10:10 a.m. - 6/29/72

Z: Yes.

K: Ron, what time is the press conference?

Z: 9 o'clock.

K: God dammit. Why the goddam guy wants to trick me half the time
is beyond me.

Z: Why?

K: I asked him and he said 7:30.

Z: When did you ask him?

K: The night before last.

Z: It was at 7:30 at that time.

K: I see. Why did you move it?

Z: Well, he decided to move it to 9.

K: Oh, I have no...

Z: He was thinking about 7:30, but as long as he's doing this he
might as well do it at 9.

K: It makes no difference to me except that it affects my social plans.

Z: Well, we did this because your press conference will be in the
State Dining Room at 8:00.

K: I'm giving a backgrounder on this press conference.

Z: No, you're clarifying briefing at 8 o'clock before the news conference.

K: I think that's a good idea.

Z: You know going over the Qs and As for the press.

K: So they can tell whether he follows my script.

Re: [goddesses,] How are you doing?

TELCORN

Rowland Evans/Mr. Kissinger

10:23 a.m., June 29, 1972

K: Rolly.

E: Welcome home.

K: You want your daily briefing? I really was hurt.

E: I missed you I know.

K: You haven't called me.

E: There was no telephone down there.

K: Where were you?

E: We were half an hour away in the Catoctin Mountain, a little fishing club.

K: I didn't realize that. Were you at Stewart's on Sunday?

E: Well, I was going to come. Weren't you there?

K: I was there Saturday. But, you know, I'm not used to you upper-class people so when somebody asks me to come on a Saturday, I didn't figure that included overnight so --

E: You didn't stay overnight?

K: No, I didn't understand what the invitation was for.

E: But you had that pretty girl down, didn't you?

K: Are you suggesting something? Yeah, I had her down.

E: That's what I thought. (laughter)

K: But you didn't come on Sunday?

E: No, I couldn't make it and I couldn't telephone and it's just as well if you weren't there. That's the only reason I was going to make it.

K: Well, I was glad to see Stewart.

E: How did he seem?

K: He seems fine.

Myron L. Evans and the U. S. Air Force

Reproducible Data File

By: K.H. LV

NASA Date: 5/13/74

TELCOM

Rowland Evans/Mr. Kissinger

10:23 a.m., June 29, 1972

- 2 -

E: Well, he's not getting any plus at all out of this.

K: He's not?

E: Nope.

K: Because on Saturday, he was feeling better. I mean, the count on these -- you know what it is.

E: Platelets.

K: Platelets was going up That has not worked?

E: Nope. Listen, Henry, when you have 15 minutes anytime today, God, I'd just really like to see you for a second if I possibly could before you go out to San Clemente. You're going tomorrow, aren't you?

K: Yeah.

E: Could you fit me in sometime?

K: I'll do my best. I don't have my calendar, I'll call you within the hour.

E: Do you have a lunch?

K: Yes, I have to speak at the Foreign Service Association.

E: Is that lunch?

K: Yes.

E: Henry, I don't want to keep bothering you all day but do you think you could block out something.

K: Listen, goddammit, Evans will you stop that sobbing. I hate to hear a grown man cry. I'll see you for 15 minutes.

E: I'll wait here.

K: Now will you stop?

E: Yeah. I'll be here until I hear from you? Now, Henry, how was your trip? Was it good?

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E1258
By CHNARA Date 6/29/72

*

TELCORN

Dobrynin/Kissinger

10:45 a.m. - 6/29/72

D: Hello.

K: Anatol, we have to have our daily talk.

D: Yes, I think it's quite all right because we are just going to solve
the problem that you mentioned yesterday.

K: Absolutely.

D: And you see only one I received today the ____ telegram. What
about this. . .

K: Oh, goddamn it you'll have it. . .

D: No. . . . . . . . . . . . the President.

K: By early afternoon I'll give you the answer. Frankly probably the
answer is we don't care wherever it's more convenient for you.

D: Yeh, because they will deliver on any port on the East Coast
between the 25th of July and the 5th of August because the boat is
ready and they just got it set to go and you know when the Boss
said it should be delivered everybody is eager to do it so I received
today the telegram.

K: Well, the President is preparing for a press conference and
Haldeman hasn't been available.

D: I understand.

K: Purely . . .

D: I see. But when Brezhnev gives an order so the Minister of
Transportation is bombarding me with telegrams.

K: You'll get an answer.

D: Please get for me today an answer - any port, Baltimore, New York,
or whatever is the usual port or commercial port.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority F-01287
By: CHARA Date: 6/2/87

K: Newport News. Every service. Have a Soviet ship come into our Naval base it would attract a lot of attention.

D: I think it would be very nice. Or you may put it this way . . . leave the boat two or three miles out of the base and the boat will go by its own just to prove that it could go or not. So you will give me an answer today.

K: Today. Now two other things. I'll have that bill sent over to you today or tomorrow.

D: Yes.

K: Secondly, . . .

D: What bill?

K: That lend lease.

D: Yes. Yes.

K: And . . .

D: You mean in the form of the specifications that you are preparing to make?

K: Right. And then we ought to sign this Interpretive Statement.

D: OK. I could drop in tomorrow if you like.

K: Why don't we do that. All I did is take the language from your message and say this is our interpretation and the Soviet side agrees with it and then we both sign it.

D: All right. When will you give it to me?

K: I'll send it over to you this afternoon and you can look at it.

D: OK and then I will send for a report . . . . . . Moscow. . . .

K: I'll send it over to you imediately.

D: Yes, and tomorrow I am going to sign it myself.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Folio.837

By CHARA Date Stated

K: OK.

D: And tomorrow we can get together and . . . . . . . . discussion.

K: Right. Now second, when are you coming to the West Coast?
Have you picked a day?

D: Well, I will tell you tomorrow. It won't be next week but the
other week.

K: That's right.

D: I will tell you tomorrow the more precise date.

K: Why don't we tentatively say the Tuesday of the following week
for Los Angeles and then Wednesday you come down to San Clemente.

D: I think it's quite all right. I will check. What is the date?

K: The 11th. I'll give a dinner for you the evening of the 11th in
Los Angeles.

D: OK, so it's Tuesday then.

K: Right. I'll arrange some movie studios the afternoon of the 11th.

D: It would be very nice. So tentatively let's stay with the 11th then.

K: Right.

D: And you will send me this paper and tell me about the boat. When
are you leaving? Tomorrow?

K: Yes, but we haven't set the time yet.

D: I see so any time in the morning when you have a minute.

K: Right.

D: Thank you very much. Bye.

The President's Office in the
Office of the Vice President
Munich Conference

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12959, Sec. 3.6

By: KM.V NAVAQ Data: 5/12/64

TELCONE

D: Hello.

K: Absolutely.

D: And you see only one I received today the ____ telegram. What about this...

K: Oh, goddamn it you'll have it...

D: No. . . . . . . . . . the President.

D: I understand.

K: Purely...

K: You'll get an answer.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

The position of the report lies
in the hands of the confidential
Militia Staff?

By: KMLV
NASA Date: 5/12/84

2

K: Newport News. Every Soviet. Have a Soviet ship come into our Naval base it would attract a lot of attention.

D: Yes.

K: Secondly, . . .

D: What bill?

K: That lend lease.

D: Yes. Yes.

K: And . . .

K: I'll send it over to you immediately.

The phone call where he asked if he could come over to
Have you ever been to the beach?
Please repeat!

By: K.M.V NASA Date 5/12/94

K: OK.

D: And tomorrow we can get together and . . . . . . . discussion.

K: That's right.

D: OK, so it's Tuesday then.

K: Right.

K: Right.

D: Thank you very much. Bye.

Hanoi, Vietnam, the 1st of June

U.S. Navy

U.S. Marine Corps

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.5

By: KHL V

NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

TELCONE

Joe Kraft/Mr. Kissinger

10:50 a.m., June 29, 1972

K: Henry, Joe.
HAK: Yes, Joe.
K: I'm going to Hanoi.
HAK: Oh.
K: And so they have asked me to go July 1st to July 7th. I'm not sure whether that's the whole time I'm going to allowed there.
HAK: Are you going with a group of people?
K: No, I just got a wire today from Le Duc Tho.
HAK: No, because you said we.
K: No, I said I.
HAK: Oh, yeah. Oh, that means Le Duc Tho will still be there.
K: I guess so. In any case, you are going to be going away fairly soon and I thought I'd like to have a chat before I left.
HAK: Right. No, I think it's very important. Goddammit, when can we do it?
K: We can do it on the phone but that's not the best.
HAK: No. How about 4 o'clock today -- 4:30? Well, let's make it at 4:00.
K: 4 o'clock today, I'll see you then.
HAK: Good.
K: Bye, bye.

The President's Office
The State of New York
Department of State

TELCOM

Gerard Smith/Mr. Kissinger

11:02 a.m., June 29, 1972

K: Yes, Gerry.

S: Henry, I now have word that I'm to be going before the Armed Services Committee on the 17th and presumably at that point we will go into Executive Session.

K: I would straighten out those figures then, Gerry.

S: Yes, I will certainly do that. But it's clear to me from Jackson's line yesterday that he then is going to say now I want to know exactly who did what at Moscow. My general position, as I mentioned to you, is that this involved the President directly and if necessary, I will claim Executive Privilege, that I'm not going to discuss what the President's opening position was and how the negotiation went. And I assume that I would be backed on that by the White House.

K: I think so, although we have nothing to hide. They made most of the concessions in Moscow, what did we concede?

S: Well, I'd be perfectly happy if you would like to go through the whole record. I thought that was what you wanted but maybe the best thing to do would be to just say here was the opening position and here's what you negotiated. Supposing I send over to you my understanding of what --

K: Why don't you send it over and let me see what you would say if you answered the question.

S: All right. I'm going to be taking some leave for a couple of weeks but I'll get this over to you today.

K: Good. I'd be very grateful.

S: Okay, thank you.

K: Thank you, Gerry.

The President of the Republic of China, and the President of the United States of America

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3-5

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/13/74

TELCOM

The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

P: Hi, Henry, how was your trip to New York?

K: It was very good. They were very pleased with your letter.

P: Fine, fine.

K: I gave them a very tough warning, saying that if any organized Chinese units appeared in Vietnam even if they were labor units, it would affect our relations severely.

P: Good, good. Might as well lay it out there.

K: And I think we have to show that we are serious about this.

P: Yeah. Well, what do we have yet about organized units.

K: No indication. There was an enigmatic comment by Hanoi that new forces are coming into being but that could be --

P: New forces would what?

K: Were coming to help solve their supply problem but that could mean anything.

P: Yeah. Okay, that's fine.

K: But I think the North Vietnamese today accepted our proposal of the 13th and 19th.

P: Both public and private?

K: Right. So you're in fine shape to make the statement tonight.

P: Um-humm. Fine.

K: They are definitely moving in something. They are definitely going to do something now because they have just invited Joe Kraft to come to Hanoi.

P: Oh, Jesus!

K: There's no question now they have a position and there's been --

P: You don't mean that Kraft is going in order to goof up their position

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3-6

The President, Mr. Kissinger
11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

By: KMLV NASA Data 5/12/04

TELCON
The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

P: (cont'd) with regard to the -- you know, he'll be just like Tony Lewis. He'll write all this bullshit.

K: Oh, yes. Oh, no question. But it means they have a position while they didn't have one --

P: Kraft may not go so far as Lewis did in assuring them that McGovern's going to win and that sort of thing.

K: Oh, no, he's much brighter.

P: Probably just in his dishonest way a little more honest. You know what I mean?

K: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

P: He wants him to win but he isn't going to give them the crap.

K: No.

P: He doesn't want to look that bad. Lewis is basically just a whore.

K: Right, right.

P: The announcement played well.

K: I think it played well.

P: The main thing is the no draftee thing, that's the big thing. And the number is irrevelant.

K: That's right. I don't think we should horse around with the numbers much more.

P: No, no, no. Well, look, by the time September comes we'll say what we want to cause then it's got to be a residual in the event we haven't settled it.

K: Right.

P: So we're going to have to decide what the hell it is and that's that.

The President of the Republic of Vietnam

U.S. Army, 1st Division

Operations Staff

DECLASSIFIED
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By: KHLU NARA, Date: 5/12/72

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The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

K: Exactly, exactly.

P: The casualties this week were few so they're down some.

K: Well, they can't go much lower.

P: Well, they can't go any lower. Of course I suppose the MIAs are higher because of the aircraft. We lose some but on the other hand, when I see how their Quang Tri thing kicked off with a pretty good bang.

K: That's right and so far they are making good progress.

P: They are, huh?

K: Yeah.

P: Well, they should. My God, with a 100 B-52s. That's a bigger artillery barrage than they had at Verdun.

K: Oh, much more.

P: Jesus Christ! Just think of it.

K: And so far in fact they haven't met a hell of a lot of resistance.

P: Yeah. And the Navy's been cracking it too?

K: Oh, yes, yes.

P: Well, there's bound to be something's going to give. If they'll just go.

K: But there are a lot of indications that the North Vietnamese are preparing for a ceasefire.

P: For a ceasefire. I see, uh-huh.

K: I think that wouldn't be bad for us.

P: Is that what we want?

K: Yeah.

P: As I told you, the ceasefire --

The President of the Republic of Israel

Prime Minister's Office

Israel Government Press Office

By: KHLV
NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

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The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

K: I mean, we are getting a lot of intelligence reports to that effect.

P: Now, the ceasefire, we're home free for our purposes. Look, if you get anything that is past the election in the way of a ceasefire, then let them squeal, who the hell is going to believe it?

K: Exactly, exactly.

P: In fact, it's going to be hard for them to squeal.

K: Did you read the foreign policy platform of the Democrats?

P: I didn't want to lose my breakfast so I didn't bother.

K: It is not to be believed.

P: Is it really bad?

K: Pull out all forces. It's really the most cynical thing I've seen. Pull out all forces, stop all military aid, stop making the political issue a central piece of our negotiation, as if we hadn't tried to take it out of our negotiations.

P: Christ sakes, can you believe that. Our last offer is one that does take it out.

K: Exactly. In fact, what they are in effect saying is to overthrow the government.

P: Yeah.

K: Then all-out on Israel. I mean in a really nauseating way.

P: On Israel?

K: Yeah, in a degree of detail. You know, Jerusalem should be the capital by the negotiations between the parties. It is nauseating detail and nothing on any other issue. Just Vietnam, Israel and then double-talk on the Defense program, that we should do enough to reassure our allies but not too much. You know, it's one of the most dishonest platforms I've ever seen. A disgrace that a man --

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The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

P: Fine, fine.

P: New forces would what?

P: Yeah. Okay, that's fine.

P: Both public and private?

P: Um-humm. Fine.

P: Oh, Jesus!

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11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

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K: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

K: No.

K: Right, right.

K: I think it played well.

K: Right.

The President of the Republic of Vietnam
and the President of theVN Committee on Military Affairs

DECLASSIFIED
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The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

K: Exactly, exactly.

P: They are, huh?

K: Yeah.

K: Oh, much more.

K: Oh, yes, yes.

P: Is that what we want?

K: Yeah.

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Serving the Lord in a seminary setting
Prairie View, Arkansas

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The President/Mr. Kissinger

11:05 a.m., June 29, 1972

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P: Who wrote the goddamn thing, do you know?

K: Well, it's a McGovern thing.

P: I know but who of his people? Harriman or --

K: I don't know. No, Harriman isn't part of this. He wouldn't be that unprofessional.

P: Really?

K: No. I mean, this is a disgrace. It is written by a bunch of cynical amateurs.

P: But the all-out on Israel, isn't that something though. That is so dishonest. I hope Rabin and that bunch aren't taken in by all that crap.

K: Oh, no, no.

P: Good God, how can you go all-out when you haven't had --

K: To sell out one ally and then you go all-out with the other.

P: But, Henry, you can be for Jerusalem being the capital and if you've got a $35 billion Defense cut, there isn't going to be anything to be capital of.

K: But, Mr. President, to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel is not the platform of a major American national party for Christ sakes. That is what I find so revolting. These people who have nothing, they don't mention NATO; they mention any other major initiative; they don't mention Moscow; they don't mention Peking --

P: They don't?

K: No.

P: The Chinese thing, they don't?

K: No, not a word about the summits, not a word about relations with the Soviet Union, with China, with NATO, with Japan; any of the big things they don't mention. Just Vietnam, Israel, and ambiguous language about Defense which really give them a chance to do what they want.

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P: I mean, we cannot let Peterson take this from Butz. Butz was over there first.

K: I couldn't agree more.

P: And Peterson, what the Hell; he's going to get a chance at the second thing. You mean, they're in a fight as to who's going to get credit?

K: Yeah.

P: Goddammit, what the hell's the matter with these people. Had it occurred to either of them that I had to get the credit?

K: Well, that's what I told them and I also said that you did it. After all it's a letter from Brezhnev to you in response to a proposal you made to Brezhnev.

P: On the last day, wasn't it?

K: Exactly. Now, Butz has the rather smart idea that maybe you would want to go out to the Middle West on the day of the announcement and get it made out there.

P: I can do that.

K: Well, you might consider -- don't bother about it today but a date when you might want to do this, whether you want it after or before the Democratic Convention.

P: After.

K: Right. Well, we don't --

P: After. I think after is better. Let's drop everything in there and wham it right in. I think on the way back from California I can stop in the Mid-West and make the announcement.

K: Good.

P: That's what I prefer.

K: Good.

P: If we can hold it until then.

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Robert Keatley, Wall Street Journal
Mr. Kissinger

12:05 p.m., June 29, 1972

NASA, Date 5/12/72

K: Dr. Kissinger, it's very kind of you to return the call. I wondered -- something's come up and I wanted to ask you about it directly. What credibility do you put on the reports that Chairman Mao has cancer of the throat?

HAK: I have absolutely no way of knowing that. I saw that he received
Mrs. Bandaranaike yesterday.

K: Right. Said to be in good health. But, you know, this report originates with the man who was the Chairman's doctor for many years. Apparently he is still on good personal terms. I wondered if you had any reaction -- true, false or intriguing.

HAK: I have absolutely no way of knowing.

K: You have no independent information?

HAK: No. And frankly, I've never heard of it.

K: Well, the report is going around government I know and it comes from the American doctor who has been in Peking for decades via his brother who is back from Peking.

HAK: I just have no way of knowing.

K: Right, right.

HAK: Okay?

K: Thank you.

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Harold Gibbons/Mr. Kissinger

4:22 p.m., June 29, 1972

G: Hello, Henry, how are you?

K: Harold, how are you?

G: Fine. Listen, Henry, there's been some developments which I think you should be aware of. A lawyer named Caub, working through General Clay. General Clay has been informed of this. Before he went to Europe, after he came back from Europe and he's been talking to me now and it has to do with Le Duc Tho and some problems of the Vietnam war. And I wanted to know -- I don't want to impose on you or anything -- but I wanted to know if you would find time after the holiday or today or any other time, when Caub and I could run in and give you a briefing on it?

K: After the holiday, I'll be on the West Coast.

G: We'll meet you on the West Coast.

K: Can you come out there next week?

G: Yeah, we'll come out there. As a matter of fact, I will be on the West Coast.

K: Good. I prefer it out there because I'm terribly jammed up here.

G: I know it and I understand.

K: Anytime you want to next week.

G: All right. Is there a phone number I can reach you or a place or what?

K: First, you can always reach the White House. But secondly, the number out there is Area Code 714/492-0011. That's the Western White House. If you should lose this, just call the Eastern White House; they'll connect you.

G: Tell you what we'll do, we'll be in touch with you on the 5th, is that all right.

K: Excellent.

G: All right. We'll call you on the 5th.

Re: a phone call to the president to see if he can get a break in the line for a commercial telephone call?

By: KHL, V. NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

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Harold Gibbons /Mr. Kissinger

4:22 p.m., June 29, 1972

K: Can you give me a clue to what it's all about?

G: Well, it has to do with another trip that has to do with prisoners release. And if you want to really check the call, call General Clay. He'll give you -- because Bill Caub has been -- he's an attorney --

K: Lucius Clay?

G: Yeah. You might just have someone phone him and chat with him a little bit.

K: Right. I know you are a responsible guy.

G: I want to be anyway.

K: No, you are.

G: I'm not sure I'm make it. All right?

K: Okay.

G: Let me tell you something while we're on the phone. Remember we committed to you that we would not release to the press the business of the secret talks -- the resumption of the secret talks.

K: Yeah, but your other fellow did.

G: No. I don't think our three guys did. What we did, we confided in the Senator from Arkansas and I think somewhere along that line in Executive Session this is where it got out but we did not. When I give my word, I commit myself in a very serious way.

K: Oh, no, it wasn't you. It was the Boston -- the meat cutter or whatever it is.

G: Well, it could have been but as far as I know the two of them told me in no way did they release that in any way, shape or form.

K: Well, Harold, I always figure on these things.

G: You're right.

K: I have complete confidence in your discretion.

The President's Office
The State of California
Public Records Act

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Secretary Richardson/Mr. Kissinger

4:30 p.m., June 29, 1972

K: ...... fascinating, best one yet.

R: Was it?

K: Yeah.

R: It sounds really fascinating from what I saw. I'm prompted to call you by having just given another in the endless series of interviews about you that I've had.

K: Oh, Jesus, by who?

R: In the last three years.

K: Who?

R: This time it was Marvin Kalb.

K: Oh, yeah. He's quite bright.

R: Yeah, he's a nice fellow too. He's writing a book, as you know. Well, anyway, that brought to mind the thought that it would be nice to have lunch with you sometime soon and I thought I would just --

K: I'll be on the West Coast for two weeks but let's do it as soon after that as we can.

R: Is the President going to be on the West Coast next week?

K: Yes. Now, if you were out there, I'd love to see you there.

R: Well, I may come out. I called Haldeman yesterday about this. There are a lot of things that I would like to have the opportunity to talk to the President about and without the necessity of some immediate decision on a concrete issue. I think some issues have been less well handled than they might have been, partly because they were decided without the background of more discussion. At any rate, if I can do that, I would come out for the purpose.

K: Good. Well, that would be nice. And then we would certainly have a chance to talk.

R: Well, okay. If I find that I am coming, I will surely let you know.

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Amb. Rush/Kissinger (Secure Phone)
4:35 p.m. - 6/29/72

K: Hello.

R: Hello, Henry. I talked to Schroeder two days ago shortly after you called me. Schroeder said his schedule was very tight and he didn't think he could do it. Jacques talked with him again today and Schroeder said he would like to come but the only time he could was this weekend or early next week; that he checked with the German Airlines and he couldn't get a return trip in less than three days.

K: The problem is if he comes next week he will have to come to the West Coast. I will be there with the President. It is not a much longer flight, only three hours.

R: He says he can't do anything better than a 3 day trip.

K: We don't need him for more than that.

R: What he means is he can't spend three days on the trip. He can't get plane reservations.

K: We can take care of the airlines and it ought to be easier from L. A. anyway. Tell him we will pick him up at the airport.

R: What he needs is a quick airline ticket back.

K: We can take care of that. Can he be discreet?

R: As I understand it he was to initiate the trip and ask to see you.

K: Good.

R: First he came back negative; then he said he could fit it in but . . .

K: Let him come to L. A. We will fix him up with a return trip.

R: I will call you tomorrow.

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Mr. Kissinger/
Ambassador Dobrynin

Re: Kissinger's meeting with the Prime Minister of Poland

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5

6/7 JUN 72 11:04

D: You see I would like your advice. I just received an answer on -
you remember we discussed about your ______ to Haig on this
implication on a _______

K: Yes.

D: and so on.

K: Yes.

D: I received it right now but unfortunately I have to go now outside.
So I propose any time to come to you late today or early tomorrow
morning. Or I could send Vorontsov to you right now.

K: Could you send Vorontsov to me right now.

D: Yes. I could because if you have something to say then I could come
after the party - actually quite frankly get ______ socialist
countries today at the Polish Embassy.

K: Well, I thought we were against blocs.

D: (Laughing) But only lightly (?)

K: Why don't you send Vorontsov. Have him come to my office.

D: Right now, yes.

K: Yes.

D: OK. If you have a question or anything please tell him then and then
if you have some comment to make, then I will make a report or -
but I am really prepared to come anytime to you after if you need
or tomorrow morning.

K: OK. Well, I have to testify tomorrow morning.

D: That is why I am calling you because I remember you mentioned it
to me. Otherwise I really wouldn't have bothered you today, but

K: Is it very different from what we said?