Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KHW NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCON
G. Smith/Kissinger
2:35 pm 4/10/70

K: After agonizing over this thing since the meeting, here's what the President wants to do. I am sending a copy of this over an NSDM. He wants you to approve C & D as a comprehensive approach. He thinks personally he could agree more easily to A or D but he thinks this is the best comprehensive opening position.

S: What about the verification aspects.

K: He wants a hold put on C. He wants to say this is how C looks to us. Another way would be through D. C with the on-site inspection.

S: All right.

K: He has had your thing before him and he has really been agonized over this one. Monday he would have said A or B but he said if he says B they will say MIRV and then what do you say? We know under no conditions are we ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

S: This approximation approximates what he said this morning.

K: Yes. I wanted to give you advance warning. On the private meetings, which you will no doubt have, he wants you to do that but if it's not in writing it looks like he is asking you to go outside your delegation.

S: It will be fully reported.

K: Yes, of course, and you won't be doing it three times a week to the exclusion of the others.

S: Do you know when the delegation will meet with the President?

K: 10:15 tomorrow morning.

S: 10:15. I want to bring Brown and Jeff Parsons.

K: I haven't an answer on Parsons --

S: The Secretary apparently talked to him because the Secretary told me it was all right.

By KHL NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCOM

Rogers/Kissinger

2:45 pm

4/10/70

K: I just wanted to tell you before we send over the paper where the President has come out on this SALT business, it is along the lines of what you said. He wants Gerry to press option C or option D as an alternative with less strict *inspection*. k Then he feels we can fall back on some of the more limited options. If we start with those and they ask about MIRV, we will have to be taken back into those. What would be helpful because it's in the NSDM if you would send over your views on the tactics.

R: Option 4 should be held in abeyance until the second or third session. They will not accept it.

K: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

R: On inspection, I hope he doesn't make on-site a condition.

K: He does on MIRV but not on the other.

R: The trouble with on-site -- if we say at the ? ? ? ? ? it will seem ? ? ?

K: If you don't make it a numerical __________.

R: On the MIRV, does he have a number of on-site?

K: No, that's negotiable.

R: I think we should include on-site if it's not a pre-condition.

K: In the play between MIRV and ABM it's so direct.

R: I agree. Furthermore, I think we have to keep in mind that on things of this kind we have to negotiate as they do. Otherwise, we are at a disadvantage.

K: That's right.

R: I just don't understand people like McGeo. Bundy saying we have to make a unilateral position. They will think we are soft-headed and will be suspicious.

K: /? ? ? ? not knowing what's hapening. Particularly communists to whom you make concessions only to reality -- is it a trick or *dagger* domestic pressure.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12950, Sect. 3.6

By KLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

Rogers/Kissinger

2:45 pm

4/10/70

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R: I spoke to the President about adding Jeff Parsons to the delegation. I spoke to him and he w said it was ok. Gerry will have to get him from the military but that should not be a problem. Gerry had a time problem so after the Brandt meeting, I asked him.

K: Good, if you have already done that, it's good.

By: KHLW NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Telcon
The Vice President
4/10/70; 3:45 p.m.

A: Are you very fluent with the German?

K: Oh, yes, I speak it with a great South German accent.

A: Somebody sent me an article from *Deutsch Spiegle* by Brandt.

K: About you?

A: Yes, and Brandt explains the word for news to be good news, bad news and Agnews. This doesn't sound very flattering to me.

K: Well, you know he is not the brightest man in the world.

A: It is just a little box here. If I send it over will you give me a translation? I would like to have it before I see him tomorrow.

K: If you send it over I will translate it.

A: It's just a little piece. Are you aware of it?

K: I don't read that newspaper. It is scurrilous and left-wing. Brandt himself is OK but some of his associates are not the most palatable people, particularly that reptile Barh, his chief foreign policy adviser, who you will have on the plane with you. You will have me on the plane also.

A: Oh, I didn't know that. This article doesn't sound very flattering to me. First is plain news, then bad news and then worst news. It's the gradation of it. I will send it over to you.

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By: KCL- NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELCOM
Secy Stans/Kissinger
5:30 pm 4/10/70

S: I want to tell you I met with Johnson this afternoon and we sent over this document. I got him aside from Trezise and said I was concerned about the developments in the next week or two. We were working together and now he suddenly wants to run and reach the end of it. I said I thought we were at the end of the road and I didn't want him to feel he had to go running to the President again for new instructions. So I akked him what now. ? ? ? not

K: We are/sending a message until we here from Meyer?

S: Meyer is just reporting rumors.

K: I had better call this character tonight. What's the document?

S: Reduce down to 66 for man-mades and 5 persent above "69. A few modifications to what we brought over there. He has agreed to that, Further, I said I am going out of the country and I would hate to come back and find overtures to the Japanese different to this and embarrassing to the industry and President. He said he wouldn't do anything while I was in South America but I want this thing protected.

K: I will watch it for you.

By KHC NARA, Dated 5/12/04

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
The President
4/10/70; 11:55 p.m.

P: What did you think of that? (Brandt dinner and entertainment)

K: I thought it was a great evening.

P: It had a certain lift. Wasn't she great?

K: She was great! The little touches you made were just right!

P: It worked.

K: I thought your toast to him was very gracious -- that thing about Kissinger.

P: That came out of our staff -- I gave them credit. Wasn't that Bailey really great?

K: The way she stepped on the stage and took over.

P: Didn't you have the feeling that your German friends were thrilled? It was a special evening.

K: Also gave them a feeling about this country where someone could talk to the President this way and yet do it with enormous respect.

P: Also, which is not insignificant, by a black person.

K: I hope the newspapers will write about it.

P: She has the chair -- she is taking it with her on the plane. I told Haldeman. (speaking about Brandt) -- He is going down on the flight, how can we get through with our talk?

K: He is leaving at 10:30 -- meeting with you at 9:00. There should be enough time.

P: I think we have put our arms around him nicely enough.

K: Yes, you have. We have to be careful not to discourage the Christian Democrats. You have not said anything about supporting their politics -- you have done that nicely.

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By KML NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

Telcon

Gerard Smith

April 11, 8:40 a.m.

S: I wanted to touch base with you about points on Option D. It seems to me that if we just present it to Mac on Tuesday we are going to run into a good deal of flak. I would suggest that we study and prepare a paper looking at it from the North Atlantic Alliance point of view.

K: Don't we apply...

S: We are not talking of reducing them. We are talking about changing its..

K: I see the point.

S: I am only bringing it up because Nita may want to table it right away. I would like to mention .. soon or C first which might take a couple of weeks and in the meantime get our ducks in a row. I could then go down to Brussels and present it to..... Willy has only touched very lightly on this. I think it will come as a surprise if we say we are going to go ahead and table it.

K: Use it as a tactical point as long as the Soviets understand. I talked to Bill about it yesterday. What the President has in mind -- we say our best judgment after exhaustive studies is this. On the other hand we recognize a certain intrusiveness about it. Therefore we are willing to consider another approach which is less intrusive. We don't want to get into position where that is the only subject discussed.

agree.

S: I understand. I would say I don't have to table either of them. First go into C, also discuss this. I would just like to feel I had a margin on them.

K: We would have to be guided by your conscience as long as you understand that we don't want to have to hold discussions focused on C and that the Russians understand that there is an alternative approach that is also going to be presented. At what point you do that I will leave to you.

S: That is fine.

K: Our thought was that we should give you the widest package.

S: I am very satisfied with this change, Henry. First rate.

K: Good, Gerry. You have really been a good soldier.

By KHL NARA, Dalo 5/12/04

Telcon
Dr. Lynn
4/11/70
9:45 a.m.

K: Larry, where did I get you?

L: At home.

K: Jesus Christ! Did I wake you up.

L: No, that's all right.

K: Incidentally, I will be glad, as I told you, to arrange a vacation for you in the Bahamas and it won't cost you much. I think they will just charge you $10-$15 a day. Would you take your children?

L: I haven't thought about that.

K: It is a great place and they are friends of the President.

L: I will certainly think about that Henry. I just haven't gotten to that point.

K: I have been reading that long memo you did on the ... issues.
Do I have to take any action on that? Because I agree with...

L: If you agree with what we stated in the text, that's it.

K: I agreed with it. I read it and I think you all did a superb job.

L: Walt Slocombe has done marvelous work.

K: What you have got to do if you stay is reorganize your staff; create divisions and put him in charge of one of them.

L: I will probably do that because he is good enough. He works extremely hard.

K: We have got to do something about SIOP and about the Intelligence Board too. I shouldn't be spread thin. It doesn't take any action on my part. You will be glad to know Gerry Smith is ill because he doesn't want to present any reduction options. He figures it will take him weeks to present Option C. He just doesn't want to feel obliged to present D before he presents C. Can I let him have that?

L: I think so. The intent is he really has to get through both before

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By KHC NARA, Dated 5/12/04

he makes any larger proposals.

K: Will you make a draft on Monday? He should systematically present all of C then he can present all of D.

L: Should this be a private memo from you to him?

K: Yes, and I will present an information copy to Rogers.

By: KCLN NARA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCORN
President/Kissinger
10:20 am 4/13/70

The essence of the conversation was that the President wanted to hold a meeting at 10:00 on Monday (notetaker didn't hear first part of conversation) and that the "NSC meeting will be kept where it is." The President stressed that he wanted Mr. Kissinger to tell "Gerry to keep absolutely quiet" because he doesn't want to get to the leaders before any discussion.