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Telcon
Secretary Kissinger
Lew Wasserman
1/7/74; 10:37 a.m.

K: Hello.

W: Hello, Henry, how are you?

K: How are you, Lew?

W: I was just checking to see if you have any interest in seeing that
film tomorrow night in Washington.

K: Tomorrow night?

W: Yes, sir.

K: Let me see. Probably yes.

W: Well, I am coming in on the afternoon plane.

K: Wednesday isn't possible for you?

W: Yeah, Wednesday is possible if that's when you want to see it.
I can change it and make it Wednesday if you prefer. Tomorrow would
be more easier.

K: How late in the day can I let you know?

W: Tomorrow?

K: No, today.
late as

W: Today. As you like, Henry. Just have your office call mine.

K: All right. I'll call you before the end of my day.

W: Very good, sir.

K: To let you know whether tomorrow or Wednesday would be better.

W: Fine, Henry. If you like we can dine right at the Association. You
can bring anyone you like.

K: Terrific.

W: It will be very private.

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NLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)

TELCORN
Haig/Sec. Kissinger

Monday, January 7, 1974

3:05 p.m.

K: We have got to have the Italian President come over. They
already know it and it will be an uproar if he does not come.
I think it will do the President some good.

H: I do to but he was really tough on it. I did not know it was
already locked in.

K: They had already been told and they are trying to announce it
and we told them it was difficult and they are offering us fifteen
days later which does not solve the basic problem.

H: All right, I will go back in with all of the great pleasures
I have.

K: Secondly, you know I want to appoint Nat Davis as the
Assistant Secretary for Congressional Relations and you know
how highly I think of him. Timmons at first raised holy hell.
He wants his guy Stan Anderson who we did not appoint once before
because he is too young. He says he is withdrawing his opposition
but he wants to register his complaint. He says Davis knows
nothing about Congressional relations which is true. I want
a top flight man there. He is probably one of the top five
Foreign Service Officers. He was on every list we had for
Under Secretary. I want the ablest guy we can find who will
organize it. I think it is a big sacrifice for Davis to accept
it. He can hire some political people. I have no other
suggestions.

H: I will talk to Timmons about it. He has not talked to me
about it.

K: Could you get it overruled today so we could announce it
tomorrow. Two other appointments are based on that. If I
want to make a change in the Ex. Secretariat I want to move him
into Davis' job as Director General.

H: O.K.

K: It is not doing Davis a favor but he is by far the best
Foreign Service Officer I could possible move into that job.
There is no political person. I don't think it is that hard to
find out what goes on in Congress if the man is willing to do
the work. Compare him to Marshall Wright for Christ's sake.

2.
Haig
Jan. 7

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H: Yes.

Not really.

K: Look. It is in my interest to have the strongest possible man in Congressional Relations.

H: I am sure I know what Timmon's problem is. He wants one of his own people.

K: Right.

H: And a political appointee and not an FSO. I don't know what he knows about Davis.

K: He met him and he is very impressed with him.

H: I will talk to him.

K: Call me back this afternoon so we can proceed.

H: Sure.

K: Also get me the Italian accepted will you.

H: I will do my best.

K: I know you have such a tractable guy out there.

H: If I get you an Italian it may cost you an Irishman.

K: That is too high a price. Are you in trouble too?

H: You mean still.

K: Did you get my memo yesterday.

H: Yes. It is very helpful but I have had no calls on it.

K: I may have to trigger it tomorrow. You had better get ready for that.

H: I can go with Leone today.

K: Leone and Davis. I have to make the announcement tomorrow. Tell him it will be announced in San Clemente.

H: O.K. Henry.

END

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TELCONE

Ambassador Dobrynin - Secretary Kissinger

January 7, 1974

3:50 p.m.

D: Hello.

K: Hello Anatoly, how are you.

D: Fine Henry. You are a very difficult man to reach.

K: I've had a very hectic day.

D: What you are doing?

K: Well, I've had a meeting on MBFR all morning.

D: Yes?

K: We concluded if you abolish all FS-9s that would withdraw
only half your troops from Europe and we will give you MFN.

D: Let's discuss that, how about tomorrow?

K: Okay, I will call you first thing in the morning.

D: You will really call?

K: Okay, let's fix a time. Are you implying I don't, wouldn't
see you.

D: No, no, Henry.

K: 5:00?

D: Tomorrow? 5:00 o'clock? It's quite all right with me.

K: Yes.

D: Is there anything new on the wonderful Middle East business?

K: I think I should have something tomorrow from the Israeli
cabinet.

D: Tomorrow?

K: At least to discuss.

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TELECON
Mr. Sisco/Secretary Kissinger

January 7, 1974

6:50 PM

K: I think you should call him or see him today and tell him to let me know ______. In the discourse of my discussions in Cairo. ______.

S: There's a very good chance that he's come in since. At the fifth meeting the Israelis did a very good job. I can do it in any event. I think they had a good deal of talks on this in J ______ 24 hours ago.

K: Send me that report.

S: I'll send the report up to you.

K: OK, Good.

S: I think I'll call Ghorbal in the morning. I'll send the number of the report to you wright away.

K: Fine.

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TELCOM

Mr. Sisco/Mr. Kissinger

9:58 a.m. 1/8/74

K: Have we heard from Eilts?

S: Yes, we have and I thought this was what you might be calling on. Let me read it --it's only 4 sentences. Fahmi, after talking with Sadat, in [illegible] by telephone, says that the President welcomes your visit and suggests that if at all possible if you fly directly to Aswan Thursday morning, Janu ary 10--and Eilts merely xmggxx said I suggested that this might be a bit early, but Fahmi urged that you try to arrange to come at the time Sadat suggests--and then Eilts merely says, full details of my meeting will be sent in a later cable. In other words, he wants you there in Aswan Thursday morning which would mean that we would have to leave tomorrow morning.'

K: Impossible.

S: Yeh.

K: I have a raging beast in San Clemente.
Okay.

S: There it is and let me know if you'd like me to do anything on that.

K: Thank you.

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Telcon
Dean Rusk
Secretary Kissinger
1/8/74; 10:10 a.m.

R: How are you?

K: Okay, Dean

R: Hope you won't mind two very quick gratuitous remarks. One--have you been down to the 9:00 Wednesday morning session of the House of Representatives yet?

K: No, but I'm planning to do it.

R: That to me is a great opportunity to build up a constituency that could be very valuable to you. And in general, my experience has been with them that if you tell them that something should be held privately, the record in the House is pretty good on that.

K: That's been my experience when I met with them--the leadership and with the foreign affairs committee which I've done several times.

R: Well, I used to go down to that Wednesday morning meeting two or three times a session, but under the present circumstances in Washington these days, you might want to consider going maybe every six or eight weeks or so, because it is really a very important constituency to nurse and I just pass that along for what's it is worth.

K: I'll do it as soon as they get back.

R: Now the other point, I don't want you to comment in any way on the phone certainly, but I heard on the radio news just a few minutes ago that the _EXX_ Washington Post was saying that we had submarines within the 3 mile limit in the SUnion. I would hope if there is any possibility that sort of thing happened, it would be scrubbed and not run the risk of another U-2 incident. When suggestions like that came to me during the _I vetoed them because on the grounds that the President, the_ Secretary of State, are the principal customers for that sort of information and we have less interest in the information to be derived than we had in the policy involved and methods used to get it. Don't let another U-2 incident occur.

K: To the best of my information, Dean--but I'm looking into it, we are doing nothing that was not done in the previous administration as far as distances are concerned. But so any restrictions you put on, I think would still be valid. But I would like to talk to you about it.

R: I coming up next week for the Law of the Sea Conference advisory Committee.

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K: What day?

R: On the 9th, 10th and 11th.

K: What days of the week are they?

R: They are Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

K: Would you like to have lunch one of those days?

R: I'd be delighted.

K: May I call you today?

R: Yes.

K: Can I fix either of those days.

R: You can have any of those days.

K: I will call your office and tell which day I'm suggesting.

R: Thanks a lot.

K: Good I have to run to Chip Bohlen's funeral, this is why I'm so brief.

R: Ah yes. That was sad, but we all expected.

K: It was a mercy. His wife told me a week before that she was hoping
it would be quick--he was suffering so.

R: Right. All the best Henry.

K: Thank you Chip--Dean.

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TELCONE

Sisco/Kissinger

10:10 a.m. 1/8/74

K: Will you read me that cable again.

S: Sure. Fahmi, after talking with Sadat in Aswan by telephone, says
President welcomes your visit and suggests if at all possible you
fly directly to Aswan Thursday morning, January 10. I suggested
this might be a bit early, but Fahmi urged that you try to arrange
to come at the time Sadat suggests --and now there is a full cable
just coming in which elaborates on this and I'll be getting it in a few
minutes.

K: Can you send both of those over immediately to the White House.

S:Q Sure I'll call Tom Pickering right away. I won't answer anything till I hear from you

K: Good, thank you.

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TELECON

General Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger

January 8, 1974

1:00 pm

S: George Gowon just called and said Al would get to you and on the Davis thing they haven't done any of the Hill clearances yet and we had better hold off.

K: OK. But that means we hold them all up.

S: We can go with Sisco and Porter and Mailliard on the OAS.

K: OK but that means I can't move Pickering .. and when are they going to do the Hill clearances.

S: I'll get them on it.

K: They should have no illusions that I will stand for the usual maneuvering.

S: Timmons, maybe but not with Al.

K: They have had the past two weeks.

S: Al is on board.

K: Well, you get Timmons to get it done.

S: Yes, I'll call him right now.

K: How about the other matter?

S: He will take it up and he is going in to see the President very shortly.

K: Did you explain the Russian problem?

S: I did.

K: OK.

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TELCOM

Joe Sisco - Secretary Kissinger

January 8, 1974

2:10 p.m.

K: You're official now aren't you.

S: I haven't heard yet. The announcement was to be made about 1:30
I think. I thank you.

K: I'm looking forward to working with you. I've always wanted a
few Italians with me.

S: You've got one now.

K: I was having lunch with David Rockefeller. I suggested he might
want to come in next Thursday.

S: Yes, he's coming down to see me.

K: Before he goes to the Middle East.

S: Where's he going?

K: Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and some trucial states.
You know he has very high prestige there and if we could give him
the right messages.

S: This Thursday?

K: No, a week from Thursday.

S: Oh, and go right after then. Okay. I'll just call up to your
secretary and she can work something out for you.

K: Fine, good.

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TELCOM
Gen. Scowcroft - Secretary Kissinger

January 8, 1974

2:25 p.m.

K: Have you talked to Timmons.

S: He's in conference, I'm waiting to see him. I talked to Jerry Jones though. He is starting consultations which he might as well anyway.

K: Whom is he consulting with.

S: Congressional leadership people, Republican leadership, Jerry says he has already started to make calls.

K: Does he think we can announce it tomorrow.

S: That depends on how hard it is to track people down.

K: Have you heard from Haig about this trip?

S: No, I've not heard from Haig.

K: You know, here we are on the verge of breaking this thing. The Secretary of State is invited to Aswan and instead of throwing our hats in the air, we're dancing around.

S: What they're seized with is whether or not to release the milk and the ITT papers.

K: Of course, those are matters of great importance.

S: Well, that's where our priorities have gone.

K: You know, very well if they were national interest concentration we would be in touch with Fahmi. There is no earthly reasons to hesitate

S: Of course.

K: If he refuses it I will certainly leave.

S: It certainly goes counter to everything he is pushing for. It would confirm a great deal of what you have said. I will bug him

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TELCON

Secretary Kissinger - General Haig

January 8, 1974

3:05 p.m.

K: How is he?

H: Everything is in good shape.

K: Who was the emissary?

H: I don't think there has been anything but the letter written.

K: By the President.

H: No returns of any kind, no communications of any kind. This was a friendly effort by a friend of Vieres (?) to point out that the six, the little six that is, were very much in favor of the lifting and felt that Faisal had attached conditions they regretted very much. ______ if he came over here as a spokesman to see the boss and give him a ledge from which he could crawl back from his position.

K: That might be done. Let's see how the talks come out. What's your view on the other business?

H: What's your view on the other business?

H: All I really cared about ______ come in from source ______
Rosebud.

K: Who's Rosebud?

H: Some friend of Nimeri.

K: His name is Nimeri, not Nierri, Nierri is in Tanzania.
What did he say about the trip.

H: He said the sooner the better, sooner rather than later.

K: Really?

H: Yes.

K: Let me talk to Sisco about that.

H: I went through the exercise of the game plan we discussed about trying to bring both together before the *xy* "i"s were dotted and "t"s were crossed.

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2.

K: He should make the announcement. Of course, we are dealing with the Middle East. It may not work that way.

H: He believes if you delay it, it will unravel

K: That's one of the problems. Let me get back on that. I will call you back on that.

H: OK. I think you ought to leave very, very quickly, Henry.

K: Right. Let me...OK, let me consult with some of the people here on that.

H: OK.

K: Al, on these ... the energy group, we are sending the letter out tonight. I don't think he wants to see it, its substantively what was in the speech.

H: Yes. I would send it out so Ziegler can talk about it.

K: OK, but we want to handle it... Ziegler can announce tomorrow morning that the letters are being delivered tomorrow. Then Ziegler can release the text of the letters Thursday morning. Let the governments have the texts of the letter for a day before we release it. We will send the text and not release it then. Simply have Ziegler announce it tomorrow that the letters have been sent to both the consumer and producing countries.

H: Release the consumers.

K: No, release both. I have decided that both Simons and I could brief together on...

H: Thursday.

K: Yes. After the letters have been released for awhile. I will be glad to do the briefing alone, but with Simons together that ______ more clearly Presidential.

H: And that's the big thing. You ought to do that.

K: And that way he's got the whole thing free tomorrow. Say the letters have been send early and that will have the whole afternoon papers on the letters. We ought to do some briefing on it.

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TELECON
Ambassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger

January 8, 1974

4:05 pm

....... First part of conversation was missed.

D: She did it again? Did she say it again?

K: I saw it on a ticker. I am not arguing with your private position but..

D: I understand and you remember.. I didn't realize she said it again and I will ask her not to say this. It doesn't help.

K: That is right. You are giving the Syrians a pretext to put you in the position where you are the cause of the failure of them to lift the embargo... Everyone knows they are crazy.

D: I will check on this right away and make sure that..

K: Good, I will try to see you later today or how about tomorrow morning, or do you have a Bar Mitzvah to go to.

D: (Laughter) So help me God, I have but I can come later.

K: What time?

D: Did you know I had a Bar Mitzvah or did you guess?

K: I just figured you did something religious once a month and it was about time.

D: (Laughter)

K: Well, you bug me and I bug you.

D: The Bar Mitzvah, it is at 11:00 in the morning. I can come in the early afternoon.

K: Can you come before it? I'll call you tonight.

D: Fine, 9:00 is alright.

K: I noticed when I don't keep constant pressure on you your government gets overly self-confident.

D: I addressed a group of people and was asked the question if it was a good one for the Secretary of State to be Jewish. And I answered that that was the kind of thing a diplomat should ask a Rabbi and not a Rabbi ask a diplomat.

K: It is purely academic.

D: Any news from the Syrians.

K: No, but they haven't turned us down yet.

D: Good. I had a call from Eban asking me what..

K: I said you would leave Kenetra as soon as the first Red Cross was started.

D: It is a good thing I am used to your sense of humor or I would be blown have blown my job right away.

K: No, I translated what you told me literally, I mean the sequence of events.

D: I indicated to Eban who asked me anything new on the Syrian front.

K: I have the Egyptians and Saudis working on them and the Saudis are visiting them today.

D: The Saudis are visiting the Syrians?

K: This is why the statement was so particularly well-timed. .your Prime Minister, did she ever express appreciation for the number of prisoners...

D: She did. I was waiting to talk to you when we meet.

K: OK.

D: I didn't want to pass it to anyone else. We have kept it in very close circles in Jerusalem.

K: Eagleburger wouldn't have believed it if you had told him. A friendly word from Jerusalem he would have discounted.

D: He is a very nice fellow.

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K: Funny, he doesn't say the same things about you.

D: Well he is very friendly and helpful.

K: Actually, your relations here are very good, I regret to say that.

D: They are very understanding and I appreciate that. . with a Secretary of State like you that is enough.

K: You are starting a new branch of diplomacy. Ambassadors are supposed to be deferential to Secretaries of State.

D: (Laughter)

K: OK, I'll see you tonight or first thing in the morning.

D: OK.

END

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January 8, 1974

5:18 PM

(Missed the first part)

S: Well, I don't think there's any real danger at the moment.

K: Did you call Ghorbal?

S: I made it a point you asked me to make ____. He's really not being kept informed.

K: I had the impression that Fahmy is going to leave anyway.

S: That's not bad as he's not ____. This telegram will be up to you in a few minutes.

K: Good, because after 6:00 I will be tied up. Thank you.

END.

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TELECON
David Abshire/Secretary Kissinger

January 8, 1974

5:25 PM

K: I just learned that Governor Holton from Virginia may be interested and I wonder would he be suitable for this position.

A: I don't know Governor Holton. He has a good reputation. He has the advantage of not having served in the Senate or House. If he would take it.

K: I could just stop Davis. Wouldn't he be disappointed if he stayed in his present position a bit.

A: Holton is one of the bright lights.

K: Would you make a few inquiries and let me know?

A: Be happy to. I'll be back in touch.

K: Tonight or first thing in the morning. Do it in the morning.

A: I'll be in touch.

END.

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TELCORN

Bill Timmons - Secretary Kissinger

January 8, 1974

5:25 p.m.

K: I've had another thought.

4: Oh?

K: How about Governor Holton of Virginia.

4: Superb. Yes. I'm glad I thought of that one. Have you had any communication with him?

K: I heard he was looking for a government job.

4: He would be great if he would take it. He may be shooting higher. But he's a fine person, he understand Congress, he's loyal.

K: Is he all right with the President?

A: Oh yes, he's great with the President. He was one of the original sponsors of the draft Nixon movement in '67. Lyn Holton is tops.

K: Davis.

A: Do you know him well?

K: Well, I know him and I like him.

A: He would be super. Also I don't know if you have thought of Jan MacDonald, he was 6 year, 3 terms, in the House. He was gerrymandered into a district with Jim Horn. Again, he doesn't know foreign policy too well but he really knows the Hill well. He's 40-41. He wouldn't have the rapport with you Nat has or Lyn would have, but he's a good prospect if you want to rething it.

K: OK, let me...it will be a little difficult with Davis. I'll have to find another place for the Executive Secretary.

A: He's a nice guy, but he really doesn't know where the bathroom is on the Hill.

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2.

A: While you can do the big stuff, so much of our work is nitty gritty.

K: Do you think Holton would do that?

A: He probably would, I would have thought, ... he certainly would be flattered by a call from you. I know him quite well. He may want something bigger, like Secretary of State.

K: I've already got 8 guys on my staff looking for my job.

A: Oh, he would be loyal.

K: If I can't hold my job, for which I was confirmed in the Senate, I don't deserve it.

A: Nobody's a thret to you, Henry. He would be very good.

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Mr. Eagleburger/Secretary Kissinger

January 8, 1974

5:40 pm

K: Am I ever going to see you again?

E: I am going to the Doctor in about ten minutes but I plan to be in
tomorrow.

K: I want your advice. There is massive opposition to Davis in the
White House. That I can overcome. Rockefeller tells me that Governor
Holton of Virginia might like this job and the White House just loves him
and he looks good.

a

E: He is. He is/tough, independent guy

K: So what?

E: He is good but I don't know if that's what you want. He is tough, bright but very independent.

K: Good, but how independent can he be. My problem is if Davis goes wrong, they will kill him and blame every congressi onal problem on him.

E: Who is it, is it Timmons.

K: It is Timmons and Redding and he was in Peace Corps with Shriver.

E: Well, it is wrong, but.

K: Do you think Davis will be upset if I cancel it.

E: No. If nothing else he is a good soldier.

K: And I thought we could give Pickering Jordan.

E: That would be good.

K: Pickering is certainly not Jewish.

E: I have given up guessing any more. ...

K: Well, I know I am not.

top level

E: Well, if Holton will take it you are getting a first rate/guy with whom you'll have problems you wouldn't have with Nat. I know Holton and I have great respect for him.

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