DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By. NARA, Dato 5/20

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Mr. Peterson

9:20 a.m., November 24, 1971

P: Could I see you for a few minutes?

K: It's impossible, but I will try this morning. They have me training for a dentist with half-hour appointments. If I learn the skills, I will know how to keep them. I think the President was very anxious for me to tell you that he doesn't want you to take a trip right now at all. I think your colleague is one of the people who is unhappy with it. He said later on and you would understand it -- it would be a much better context in which to do it.

P: We have set up a lot of dates; I wonder what my reasoning should be.

K: There is this G-10 meeting and everything is coinciding.

P: I saw Connally about this. He asked me to talk to you. I would like to find out...

K: I'm leaving at 3:00 [gave his appointments until then]. Maybe between my 10:30 and 12:15 appointments. Let me call you when I am through.

lds

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TELCOM
Shultz/Kissinger

12:12 p. m. 11/24/71

S: We had a discussion of budget items this morning. We used 78.5. We will come back to that this afternoon with you.

K: That's all right.

S: I wanted you to know. If the President decides to go that way with our management I think the communication process for Laird is a meeting followed by a memo. That from John Court that increases are joint memo.

K: That's all right. I turned Peterson off.

S: Was he in tears?

K: Well--

S: How did it get started?

K: I have no idea.

S: OK.

K: No idea.

By. NARA, Dato. 5/26

TELCON

Kurt Bireenbach/Kissinger

1:13 p.m. 11/24/71

K: On Bartzel. If he makes a request we will approve it but not released to the newspapers.

B: Should he make a formal request through you or the embassy?

K: The embassy.

B: January?

K: Yes. Latter half of January.

B: Very well and I will see him on Friday at 9:00.

K: Give me some advance notice when he makes the request.

B: Shall I call you max or Hal Sonnenfelct?

K: Me.

B: Do you differentiate in your country between the Moscow Treaty and the Warsaw Treaty?

K: More sympathetich to the Warsaw Treaty.

B: This is what I understood. I am most grateful to you. In Rochester everything was fine for me.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E012362

By: CHNARA Date: 01/24/71

TELECON

General Haig/Minister Vorontsov

1:30 p.m., November 24, 1971

H: Mr. Minister, I have a message to deliver to you.

V: I will be in the Embassy in an hour.

H: I will have it there in an hour. The second question on the piece of real estate -- it is a terribly unfortunate location which is a security problem for us.

V: We didn't know that. Now we start checking. Our Ambassador will be unhappy. He liked the place.

H: We couldn't overrule the problem here.

V: Well, that is that.

H: Any alternatives you come up with we will push as fast as we can.

V: All right.

lds

By. NARA, Dalo 5/26

TELCONE
Rogers/Kissinger

2:45 p.m. 11/24/71

K: I am returning your call.

R: Can't be the most important thing in the world [couldn't remember what he had called about]. On this memo I was going to get to you by 5:00, I will be delayed. I will give to Al and he can send it to you. I have just talked with Indian and Pakistani. I read it on the Indian. Itx He says it's a lie, a story completely opposite from the Pakistanis. I said it's not understandable why they won't allow observers to go in. I reminded him of the conversation with the PM and he said the PM doesn't want it. So I said disengage. YaYa will do it. I said work it out on the ground. I reminded him of ? ? ? ?.

Keating is agonizing. What the hell was it -- I thought the meeting this morning was good. Oh, I know. The Pakistani asked me about Marvin Kalb's story that we are considering Security Council Action. We have just talked with the President. Said it's a matter for Pakistan to decide. He said they are considering it. He hasn't heard from his government. They are considering it.

K: It's good to know.

R: Beam saw Kuznetsov.

K: He is not the most forceful ambassador we have. One thing I have asked you -- stories in last week's *xx* papers coming from State. Memo requiring clearances on committee ? ? ? ? ? ?. We sent it out because of ACDA.

R: What stories?

K: That State demoralized over WH control. Feel that they had something about you asking not to complain. On India/Pakistan I don't think we should have any disagreements because there are none.

R: I saw that *some* story but didn't mention that.

K: Not on the front page.

R: I was annoyed at the lead but the story was good.

By. NARA, Dale 5/26

TELCOM

R. Zeigler/Kissinger

3:30 p.m.

11/24/71

K: Statements that the State Dept. making contrary to our policy. Can you control what State is saying?

Z: I can try. What areas?

K: State says no evidence of Indian participation.

Z: How? When?

K: Two days ago. Let them -- why don't we establish a line in the morning and you send it to them and tell them not to deviate from this line.

Z: Fine. I will call you every morning.

K: Tell Bray that the President has ordered because of the delicacy of the situation that you are doing this and not to deviate.

Z: Sure.

K: This afternoon.

Z: OK.

Further call

K: ______ in for an hour to discuss India/Pakistan situation.

Z: Jesus!

K: Could you do it?

Z: I said I referred to it as a routine ______ meeting.

K: Just say India/Pakistan situation.

Z: Any particular point? Any concern?

K: We are watching it with concern.

By.

NARA, Dalo 5/20

TELECON

Robert Kleiman

11/24/71 4:20 p.m.

RK: I'm delighted you are going to the Azores -- I think it's great.

K: Good.

RK: I want to come to Washington; I can be there on the first or from the 15th to the 17th.

K: 15 - 17 is much better for me.

RK: Okay then I'll plan on that and be in touch with your office.
Can you give me some guidance on this? Is it to wrap up the monetary thing?

K: It's to talk about what the announcement says. Before we go into meetings with Peking and Moscow we want to talk with our allies. We will also discuss monetary things, but that is not the point.

RK: Isn't it a little early for preparing for Peking and Moscow?

K: Yes, but that is only the basic cause; there may be others.

RK: Good, will you ______ some of the others too?

K: Eventually, yes.

RK: Before you go?

K: Yes.

RK: And Peking is when, January or February?

K: We will be announcing it soon.

RK: What is your outlook on the financial, monetary thing? Do you think the series of meetings offers a chance of cleaning up this mess?

K: I think you can think we are moving in a positive direction within the month or so. We are talking off the record.

RK: No, for deepest background.

K: The time seems to be ripe for deep discussions.

RK: I presume we are prepared to devalue the dollar...

MJD F.O. 12558
DECLASSIFIED
By. NARA Date 6/1/04

TELECON (Tape)

The President/Mr. Kissinger

Thanksgiving Day, November 25, 1971

P: How are you feeling? I hope I didn't get you up; I've been up since 5:00.

K: This time change always. You stay on your old time.

P: It's particularly true, I think, as you get a little older. I used to come out... I woke up at 5:00 and there was no use to go back.

K: NO. It's the same thing with me. I've been up since 6:30.

P: 6:30. Well, I didn't get up.

K: Well, I've been awake since 6:30.

P: I had a very good talk -- I just did it on a hunch -- with Heath on the phone. I just called him.

K: Oh, isn't that great.

P: And I just had an idea. I don't know what your schedule is. Could you come over and we have a little chat. I want to fill you in on it. I told him a little about India. I was going to... in fact, tried to get you before I made the call, but then I thought ... I knew it would be all right.

He told you K:011AX K001Y

K: / I had already talked to Cromer.

P: Oh, everything was fine, but we went through Rhodesia and we went through India, and I told him I wanted the place in Bermuda... that we'd have it informal -- no black tie. And all that. I decided we'd do that.

K: Oh, marvelous. Excellent.

P: But when you've got some time, why come over.

K: I'll come over within the next half-hour or so?

P: Oh, no, take your time; take your time.

K: Incidentally, Mr. President, before you pick it up in the newspapers -- my son yesterday on the airplane, horsing around with the press, when he was going to the bathroom, -- they said "when are they going to China," said March. That he had heard it on the radio, so they are all going crazy. It's on the "Today" show. It's in the

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newspapers.

P: I'll be damned.

K: And we've been trying to turn them off all night -- Ziegler and I -- we've said don't go with that story, but they think they're onto a really hot one.

P: That's all right. That's not bad. He's only a month off.

K: It proves he doesn't know anything.

P: That's good. That's great. I love it; I love it. It doesn't bother me at all. It won't bother the Chinese.

K: Oh, no; they know it's wrong.

P: Right; okay. Good-bye.

DECLASSIFIED

MJD F.O. 12958
Author's

NARA Date 6/9/71
By ____

By. NARA, Dalo 5/26

TelCon:9:42-Nov. 26, 1971

Mr. Kissinger/

Otis Chandler

K: Otis, how are you?

C: Welcome to foggy California. I was interested to read about your son. I can just about imagine what happened.

K: I can tell you he is so mad at the Los Angeles Times. He thinks if I had kept my big mouth shut it would have blown over.

C: What I called you about is on December 6th, Monday, we are having a ceremony for the Time Women of the Year in which we usually honor ten to twenty women of the year. I would very much like to have you talk at the ceremony for about 15 minutes. The 500 women invited are the best in their fields such as authors, movie actresses, etc. and was wondering if you could come out here and do it.

K: Could I check my calendar first. I would like to try and do it.

C: It would be in the afternoon about 1:30 for a couple of hours.

K: We have the Brazilian President coming on the 7th. Let me check with my calendar. It wouldn't have to be on foreign policy would it. I could talk about Maxine Cheshire and why she should be dropped from the Times. Let me see, but I am not too optimistic about it.

C: Well, if you are free. If you could come out and you might even have dinner with us.

K: No, I couldn't do that, I would have to return to Washington right away.

C: Well check your calendar and let me know.

K: I will do that and call you back. You know I always try to do my best when you ask me to do something.

C: Yes, I know and it would be very stimulating. The women are tops in their fields.

K: How long a talk?

C: About 15 to 20 minutes.

K: Let me see how it would work out.

C: Good, getting some rest?

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NARA, Dato

5/26

TELCONE
Vorontxov/Kissinger
9:50 a.m. 11/26/71

V: I hope it's nice weather.

K: It's not. It's the first time that it isn't.

V: Too bad. My question is since it's not convenient to talk over the phone when you will be back.

K: Wed.

V:
K:

I hope --

K: You could do if you want to talk before then, you can come to my office and talk there.

V: It will wait until Wed. It concerns some idea about Jan. If you recall your last talk with Anatoly. It's fine and OK.

K: I understood that this may not be possible for me. I said this is the earliest.

V: They say January is fine. Since it was mentioned. Some details and we can talk about some further ideas on Wed.

K: Certainly. No need for you to call me.

V: Details better to talk about in person.

K: While you are on the phone, will you convey to your people our great concern about the situation on the subcontinent and certainly noted favorable here if the Soviets were to relieve efforts. We get reports from people there talking on another level.

V: Probably some kind of ? ? ? telephone.

K: We will get together. When does the Ambassador come back?

V: Sometime before the new year or just after.

K: I hope he gets a good rest. Give him my warm regards.

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TELCOM

Mrs. Cramer/Kissinger

10:08 a. m.

11/26/71

K: What is your opinion on the Women of the Year thing? Otis called me.

C: No. It's for his mother. I am sponsoring Ali McGraw. There are 12 awards. The L. A. Times will cover it well.

K: I don't need coverage. (Told story that David Kissinger mad at him because of story on him in morning paper.)

C: & Monday's paper will say something about David. Quote regarding how to top David and you said either the President will have to announce he is not going to Peking or put David up beside him.

K: I would have to fly out and fly right back.

C: Mrs. Chandler would be delighted and looking ahead to '72 it's good.

K: What does the speaker do?

C: ________ told marvelous stroies. Anecdotes on show business.
You can speak on anything.

K: another year out here and I will be able to do anecdotes of show business.

C: You can do them of Washington. If you do it I will be there. Gather before
for champagne and the thing last ah hour.

K: Very unlikely I can do it. From a personal point of view I don't need the publicity. From the Administration point of view I think it would be clever. I will put it to Haldeman and the President.

C: It would help the editorial position in '72. Any length speech on any subject.
You can leave after it's over.

K: I can do it timewise. It's murderous. But I could go out in the morning and have lunch and be back by midnight. He said it would be over by 3:30.

C: Starts at 2:00. I guess he asked you to lunch, otherwise you could have lunch with Veronique Peck and me.

K: I was discouraging but he was so eager.

C: Veronique and I will have lunch at ________ and then go down. The ladies are
mrs. Chandler's 400. Most influential group in L. A.

K: All those ladies will be Democrats in '72.

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Mrs. Cramer/Kissinger

10:08 a.m. 11/26/71

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C: Maybe Veronique but I am not sure how I will come up. The only reason
would be you.

K: 20 minute speech?

C: I am sure you could make it shorter or longer. I make a 2 minute speech
for Ali. She will probably be last.

K: Acrtress of the year?

C: Woman in entertainment and movies. Bob Hope's Delores also getting it.
You can stay for Schlossers.

K: That's the week after.

C: Oh, so you will have to fly out for it. Fly out with me on Sunday.

K: I can't do it. I have friends in Washington that weekend. The time change
works in favor of it. I could leave at 8:30 and just make it and come back that
day. I have to be there on the 7th because there's a Brazilian State visit. Latin
Americans are so touchy and if I am not there they will claim neglect. They
bore me to distraction. I will put it to Haldeman.

C: It can only help the Administration.

K: I may see you Monday night.

C: You will and if you come for this we will have lunch maybe.

K: I will be there in time. Only a two hour -- if I left at 9:00 a.m. I would be
there at 11:30 a.m. But I doubt I will do it. I am going to Palm Springs after
my children leave on Sunday.

C: Going to Wallaces on Sunday night?

K: Yes.

C: Martha told me. Martha Hyer and Max charming and Hal is the topIFF
producer. Live right across from Frank's. You saw us there.

By. NARA, Dalo 5/26

TELCOM

Mrs. Javits/Kissinger

11:11 a. m.

11/26/71

J: Jack, because he's on the other side of that other Senator, and in NY -- we thought we would put together a dinner for the new Ambassador from Peking. We thought it would be ____ at home for a small dinner and reception. This was before we heard Peking threatened to send troops into Egypt.

K: I don't believe that.

J: No further word on it. Make it in your honor if you agree.

K: Certainly. Anything you two decide I am almost automatically for.

J: You are too much. We have decided.

K: How will you put the invitation to the Chinese?

J: Extend an personal invitation from the Senator and myself to our home to meet our friends and greeting them in an informal way.

K: As much as I would love to be invited by you I think there's a 40-60 chance they will come. Less chance they will come if it's in my honor. I think so. I think they like me but will want to avoid a situation of having colluded with us.

J: Do you think this is valid? I thought it would soften the situation.

K: If you give a dinner, have the dinner small.

J: That's what we thought. We could keep it to 12.

K: If you want to give in my honor, I am delighted, but major thing is how to get the Chinese.

J: Directly. Unless I have to go through protocol. I should probably go through Bush but we don't want to get involved.

K: You are known for the frontal approach. Extend the invitation but don't way I an on the invitation. They want to be on parallel courses with us but I don't want them to think it's rigged.

J: Can it be cooperative? Want to contribute and not a social thing.

K: I think it's interesting to see what happens.

J: Personal www

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Mrs. Javits/Kissinger

11:11 a. m.

11/26/71

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J: A personal welcome to our home to meet our friends. If we don't say it's in your honor and you come, it won't matter. Other then that if they accept I could indicat who would be available.

K: You can tell them who are inviting. In fact, I would.

J: Any significance?

K: They might find it tough to go to a dinner in my honor and then the Russians hear of it and say here are these guys running with American imperialists. Whereas if it is a dinner for your friends and I ama friend nothing can be done. You can later say it's in my honor or not.

J: I thought a dinner and reception is 20-40. Any suggestions?

K: Nelson would be good.

J: I thought so. That will be 8. Two more of their people.

K: ________ won't come alone. Invite him, his deputy, and can bring an interpreter.

J: Could make dinner up to 20. Can hold 12 and 8 at two round tables. Any other thoughts on it -- I will do what you are saying which is my instinct. Jack said to talk with you. If he says yes, I will call you and make arrangements with you.

K: I don't dare say no to you.

J: Come to NY and we can giggle.

K: You promixed to have lunch with me in Washington.

J: When will you be back?

K: Dec. 1.

J: Can you come on the 13th?

K: In the Azores.

J: What about sooner? Next Sat.? I could put it together quickly. Or the 8th?

K: The 8th I could do it.

J: All right.

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Mrs. Javits/Kissinger
11:11 a.m. 11/26/71

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K: I like a girl with confidence. Any girl who can deliver the delegation from Peking in 7 days is quite a ____ . If you had my job, you would have made getting to Peking look effortless.

J: I would try to match it but not do better. I can't go see them. Shall I send a letter?

K: I'm "As the senior Republican Senator from NY, I would like to invite some friends to our home and introduce you."

J: What other dates?

K: 10th. After that it's bad. After that I could do it on the 22nd.

J: You concede that 20-30 after for the reception.

K: They will be more receptive to a smaller group.

J: 12-20 for dinner.

K: Think twice about the reception. Ask their opinion.

J: Shall I go and see anyone there?

K: Write them a letter. Have a dinner and invite some friends. We are willing to have reception with more friends but up to you.

J: 7th also possible?

K: No. We have a State dinner.

J: I will get in touch with them and call you later.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TelCon:11:35-Nov. 26, 1971

Mr. Kissinger/
Hugh Sidey

K: What do you do - hide under your desk when I call your office. I hope your office gave you my message.

S: They told me to call you back.

K: I called you about the following - in order to be kind to Times. And this is all on an off the record basis. We have announced today a visit with Heath and we have announced one with Prompidou. Now strictly for your information we are going to announce a meeting with Sato tomorrow and Brandt on Sunday. Now if you could handle your people out here and if they could be discreet about it I will ask Ziegler to give them the exact dates and places.

S: I think you should give it to them tomorrow - not today - but Saturday afternoon. The Sund paper would have gone to the press and the interest is down. What time tomorrow?

K: 3 o'clock tomorrow.

S: Now that is tough because it is six o'clock here.

K: Well let me talk to Ron about this because the press will be moving with the President - he is going to Palm Springs tomorrow.

S: I will handle it out here. To make it effective it should be in New York at one or two o'clock - about nine o'clock your time.

K: Couldn't Ron call them at 8 o'clock in the morning.

S: When does the President go to Palm Springs?

K: I don't have the schedule here. . . . 9 o'clock.

S: That would be fine with us and we should be secure.

K: My preference is to do it with you alone but I don't want to hurt Jerry's feelings.

S: Well don't worry about that. I will take care of it.

K: And also I want to get Ron in the act.

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S: If I could get a firm ______ on it tomorrow morning.

K: I will tell Ron to call your people in the morning and get it to you. I will tell him I have already talked to you and to give it to no one else but you. Is that alright with you.

S: That will be fine.

K: And I will call you to make sure you got it.

S: You will be busy from now on.

K: We are making obviously the Chinese announcement next week and we want to emphasize that our allies come first.

S: Yes, that is first rate and I appreciate it very much. It makes it look like we know what we are doing.

K: Yes, and I will give it to Elfin. I can't give it to you exclusively and you both can report fairly on it.

S: Yes, that will be fine. How is everything going out there? There is not going to be a picture of Judy Brown in it.

K: As long as Judy Brown is out of it and it doesn't make me look like a playboy I don't care.

S: Yes, that has already been taken care of.

K: That is fine.

S: I will keep an eye on it to see how it is going along.

K: I will be glad to get it over with. Well, I will call you tomorrow morning to make sure everything is on track and I will ask Ron to call Jerry Schecter in the morning.

S: Fine.

K: How was your Thanksgiving? I have my kids out here.

S: Good. Well as you said you have Bermuda and the Azores ahead of you

K: Well I will call you in the morning. Where will you be.

S: Either at home or here in the office. I think your office has both numbers.

K: Good.

By. NARA, Dalo 5/26

TelCon:11:55, November 26, 1971

Mr. Kissinger/Ron Ziegler

K: Look, I talked to both Hugh Sidey and Mel Elfin. You have seen the announcements. I told them I wanted to tell them off the record about two other announcements. Ron feels that he is prepared to give the details to your people out here. What is interesting is that they wanted their people to be told tomorrow and not today.

Z: Fine.

K: Hubbard is not out there he is on vacation but Phil Cook is there.

Z: Yes, Cook that is right.

K: You can tell them the dates and the places tomorrow. I have already told them (Sidey and Elfin) the announcements will be made. They would like it first thing in the morning because they close at 6 o'clock. Did I handle it alright?

Z: You did very well. Did David really get upset.

K: Look, you kept him out of it. He is so mad at me. He said if I had kept my mouth shut it would have all blown over.

Z: How will he ever be able to face his classmates again. But worse of all, how will he ever be able to face the press again.

K: Ron - I have a call from the President. I will have to cut off.

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5/26

TelCon:12Noon-Nov. 26, 1971

Mr. Kissinger/
The President

K: Mr. President..

P: Since Scali is out here it might be useful if you could give him some of the background stuff. Why the consultations are important and really substantive meetings and not just protocol meetings.

K: Good.

P: It is awfully hard to nitpick this.

K: I just talked to Hugh Sidey. He thinks it is just terrific. It has got the touch and falling into place now.

P: You filled him in on all four meetings.

K: Yes. I didn't give him the times and places, just that they are going to take place. I also talked to Elfin.

P: Good.

K: Ron will call their people here in the morning.

P: Good, but I think we should tell Scali a little.

K: I gave him some of the details yesterday on India and Pakistan.

P: Good, so you can give him a little fill in on this line.

By. NARA, Dato 5/26

TelCon:12:20-Nov. 26, 1971

Mr. Kissinger/

Mr. Head in Prime Minister Trudeau's Office

K: Hello.

H: Dr. Kissinger. This is Iving(?) Head speaking in Prime Minister Trudeau's office. I meddle around on foreign policy for Prime Minister Trudeau. He wanted to express to you an increasing feeling that in his words are growing - feelings of anti-American. With two opposition parties who have long had a nationalistic feel in their platforms and the conservative party . . . The government's response in Canada so far has been an intellectual(?) reply.

K: What is the basis for the anti-American?

H: It is difficult to say. Some is the papers. They are saying the U.S. has forgotten about Canada. Its attitude is directed more to get raw materials from us without consultations . . . bitting towards the Americans. There must be much more important problems facing the U.S. and the economic problem with which we . . . The reason I called today is because we have been under attack by the House of Commons because of either reluctance on the Prime Minister's part or the President Nixon's part to communicate with each other when it is essential to do so. We have learned about the upcoming meeting with the Western leaders. The Conservative Party is holding a convention here in the next few days.

K: What should we do?

H: If we could get our two heads together in a short while. But that is up to President Nixon's timetable.

K: You and I ought to be able to work together.

H: Well certainly from our political interest here - it is wrong for the U.S. not to have the old image they had.

K: On the telephone or what.

H: Well, they have talked on the phone before. If they could meet it would be much better . . . trade chafter we are not including(?)

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K: I understand. You appreciate of course that I am not in a position to make any commitment on this.

H: Yes.

K: Obviously we are close allies and we should maintain that relationship. The question is would the Prime Minister be prepared to come to Washington?

H: Of course. I can say this categorically.

K: Let me think out loud. One could arrange a two hour session in the President's office and then maybe a small informal dinner at night.

H: Fine.

K: M Let me get on that.

H: Good.

K: May I get back to you on Monday?

H: Yes.

K: Well first of all you tell the Prime Minister I am an admirer of his and second, this government wants to maintain a close relationship with Canada . . . . . . . . the communication with us about Kosygin's visit was very fair and proper the way you handled it. I would tell you if something is wrong. I think I could give you a feel of some tangibles. Let me see what I can do and see if I can arrange a visit by the Prime Minister.

H: Good. That would be very good here.

K: After we have a date we could announce it very quickly. Let me see what I can do by Monday or Tuesday. Certainly sometime next week.

H: Good. I want to assure you domestically and politically here to . . .

K: Mmm. It doesn't make any sense for us to visit Peking and Moscow if we can't have a decent relationship with our closest ally. We will do our best on our side.

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Jerry Schecter/Kissinger

12:35 p.m.

11/26/71

S: You are running your son's credibility.

K: He took the caption in the L. A. Times ill. If I kept my mouth shut he could
have ridden this out.

S: Did you run it?

K: He thinks I put the WH up to disavowing him.

S: I think we should make light of it.

K: I would if I were you.

S: I will do a nice thing about it.

K: Do make light of it.

S: I would appreciate -- Grunwald talked to you about Man of the Year cover.

K: Don't expect me to cooperate on something I am not part of.

S: We will be saving you for next year.

K: Do you know there's no bar to foreign born becoming Vice President?
Don't go with it. I am still debating it. But I see a great ground swell for it.
What about the Man of the Year?

S: Could you and I sit down for an hour and talk about the overview?

K: When?

S: At your convenience. I thought it might be easier out here.

K: I am talking about a day of sunshine in Palm Springs on Monday.

S: I could come down there.

K: Can I call you tomorrow or Monday? Or Tues, we could do it. It's not
urgent.

S: It is in that the deadline for me is early.

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TELCOR""
Haldeman/Kissinger
2:00 p.m. 11/26/71

K: The President would like David to get an appointment on the press staff because he has gotten more publicity for himself then you can.

H: I agree. But I could get on the front page by announcing the 6th China date too. I hope no one is upset about that. It's funny.

K: Particularly on Monday it will be

H: Shows how stupid the press is.

K: We keep saying don't go with it. But they do. The stock market went up 17 points.

H: On David's announcement?

K: I bet. Trudeau called and wants a meeting. I mentioned it to the President and he is for it.

H: When.

K: The sooner the better.

H: Up there?

K: He will come down for an office appointment. Two hour meeting and the President wants to add a dinner. I looked at the schedule. The 6th?

H: It's dangerous when you look at the schedule.

K: The one Bull has. The President would like to do it the week of the 6th. In practice it will have to be on the 6th or the 12th.

H: 6th of Dec.?

K: I know what you are doing that day.

H: It would be great. Trudeau let us get some film?

K: Probably 5 mins. at the beginning.

H: More?

K: Why? Don't you think 5? or 10?

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H: Only problem doing it that day is that we are committed to NBC for future film coverage of the President's activities.

K: Give me a later date. He won't take it.

H: It will be hard. He is planning to go to Florida from the Azores.

K: Do I have to go?

H: No. Domestic types down and work on budget.

K: That's good. I think I should go to Florida on the weekend and ride up with him.

H: You should go back to Washington and we will ride down some domestic types and you come on the weekend. And ride over to Bermuda with him. Then he is thinking of going back to Florida but I don't think so.

K: Unwise.

H: I think he will go to Washington through Christmas and back through the 29th. Then you can say the 23rd.

K: We will announce the Trudeau on Wed. Japan going tomorrow.

H: Heath today?

K: Yes. Going very well.

H: Japs tomorrow. Germans Sunday?

K: Yes.

H: Good. Chinese on Monday. Nothing on Tuesday.

K: Press conference.

H: We had better plan a trip -- where can we go to announce on Tues.?

K: You don't think a press conference is enough? I will give a backgrounders and we will have morning and an afternoon. Wed., Canada. We have to have two hours -- 3:00 - 5:00.

H: That's a big chunk out of that day.

K: Well, an hour and a half.

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H: And dinner?

K: It hat's what the President wants.

H: It screws up the TV thing.

K: Won't it help for meeting on TV?

H: A little. Wouldn't be bad. We can have enough other stuff. What's
he have in mind? Working dinner?

K: Yeah.

H: That wouldn't be bad. A different dinner on TV. If that's goo, let's go.
It has both pluses and minuses. It takes a chunk of time.

K: 4:00 - 5:30.

H: Offer him that. We ought to keep the 10th clear. Doesn't he need time
to get ready for Pompidou?

K: I would prefer if he did.

H: Give him the 6th or 23rd.

K: OK.

H: See what you get. How are things there?

K: Cold and miserable. How are they in Palm Springs?

H: Quite nice.

K: I am coming over on Sunday.

H: Good.

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TelCon:2:00-11/26/71

Mr. Kissinger/

Mr. Head in PM Trudeau's Office

K: Look, I have talked to the President about this and in principle he thinks it is a good idea and what we would do is have the Prime Minister in Washington for an afternoon appointment and perhaps a small dinner afterwards. Here is a small problem I have run into. I have to get to the schedule people and with the various meetings announced, one possible date is December 6th. That would be a week from Monday.

H: Yes, right.

K: That has one technical disadvantage. The President had agreed to have a television network follow him around and watch his activities. (One of the meetings then would have to go until around the 20th?)

H: I am sure the earlier date would be better because Mrs. Trudeau is expecting their first child around Christmas. The exact date is Christmas day. I am sure that as the date approaches he would be very reluctant to leave her.

K: It would have to be the 22 or 21st actually (British or Berlin?). But tell the Prime Minister the President agrees in principle. If you could hold off we would let you know on Monday or Tuesday. You don't need a lot of time do you, if we could do it the 6th?

H: No, the 6th would be fine. There is nothing on his calendar that couldn't be changed if it had to.

K: Well let's keep the 6th.

H: That is very kind of you and I appreciate it.

K: Kindness is not a trait of mine. It is in our mutual interest.

H: Fine, I understand.

K: Well we will have it in December and I will call you on Monday.

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TELCORN

Arthur Burns/Kissinger

2:15 p.m.

11/26/71

K: I am returning your call.

B: I wanted to check with you a couple of things. Have you seen the CIA report on the new economic policy and foreign reaction to it?

K: No.

B: It came out a few days ago. I wanted to be sure you saw it and read it and
brief the President on it.

K: I will get it.

B: It's a very effective docement and xxx deals with the international monetary problem.

K: I am xx in the problem. I have come to the ? ? ? ? ? ?. Your professor is the problem.

B: He works in Labor and knows nothing about finance and to go into this is shocking.

K: I basically agree with you. I think he was a little helpful the other day.
At that point on 2-3 other occasions and everytime we get Connally at the
point, Shultz comes in and then Connally's competitive instincts come into it.

B: I was only recently aware of it. I didn't know Shultz was in it.

K: I didn't either.

B: I think we have progress.

K: I do too.

B: I had another call from ther Germans today. Henninger/xxx who is no. 2 in
He talked about the whole business. They are heading into a recession and
central bank has to lower interests rates so as not to have too much unem-
ployment. When they do that the biggest companies ? ? ? ? ? ? ? will
repay their dollar loan. Then the dollar is up and the Mark will be down.
They have to do this. Can't hold off more than 2-3 weeks. After that the
Germans Mark which is down to 104, it will be difficult for them to reach
a percentage of _________ which they are willing to do.

K: The Germans will do it lower 6%. I don't know economics but I know
politics of it. I have talked with a lot of people and these are realities. George's

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view that it can stay at 10 is nuts.

B: The problem there is -- I have talked with George and he doesn't understand the seriousness of it.

K: I can't associate with you at these meetings but I agree with you.

B: It means a lot to me and the country.

K: I will solve it in January and it will be close to your proposal. I don't know if I can sell the convertibility part. I think it will sell itself.

B: When is the Sato meeting set?

K: Early January.

B: That's good. After that we should meet with the Group of 10 and sew it up.

K: A week or two afterwards. Aim for the 20th.

B: OK. Good. When I get back I want to see you.

K: I want to see you. And don't think you haven't made a major impact on me. You are the only sane person. It will be 98% on your proposal. We will reserve part for the Azores.

K: Sure.

K: Don't tell Connally I told you this.

B: OK

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TelCon:2:30-Nov. 26, 1971

Mr. Kissinger/
Ambassador Cromer

K: Mr. Ambassador

C: How are you Henry? Sorry to both you. Jack ______ said this morning

K: Yes, Irwin told me.

C: And I was very uncommittal.

K: He was given instructions not to embarrass you.

C: There is no problem building up is there.

K: You can rest assure that we will not tolerate any embarrassment on this.

C: ... (couldn't hear)

K: I shall do it but don't worry about it and you tell the Prime Minister there may be an occasional rebellious twitch(?) but it will be beheaded.

C: Good.

["DECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6", "By. NARA, Dato 5/26", "TELCON", "Wieczarowski/Kissinget\n2:33 p.m. 11/26/71", "W: John Connally asked me to call you on the India World Bank picture. We saw the WH the afternoon how the Bank in India is and also the bank in Pakistan is. I could give you a very quickly an over the phone a capsule of what it is. It's boiled down to two pages.", "K: How long will it take? I am on the way to a meeting.", "W: Simply, the Indians have had one $60 million loan from the Bank. No other loan. That loan has past the Board. No dispersements.", "K: Can we drag our feet?", "W: I doubt it. Nothing can immediately ahead of us. Next 10 days nothing coming for approval. Pakistanis have $370 million. Probably higher unless something comes . . . . . . . $370 million will be easily absorbed. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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to keep it on economic grounds.

K: I agree.

K: I agree.

W: For instance, I suggested Trueasur think about this. In remarks it said refugee situation being discussed in another forum. Not necessary to discuss it this time. Could be re-written to say refugee important to U.S. and extremely important to India. Nothing done by any party to (cut off).

K: What I would like more. Regax Refugee ambiguous. If outbreak of hostilities it would hurt the situation.

W: Note with alarm that situation has these over tones.

K: That would be helpful.

W: We can work that in. Instead of waiting for a prospect.

K: This is even better. Can we say something about the refugees which makes it more balanced?

W: Then not a negative vote.

K: We don't want to gedin with a negative vote.

W: They are working on a statement over at Treasury. I have nxx your sense. In statement with which I comment I have drafted statement to date. You won't find it satisfactory but you should have it as current point. Being written now. It starts at 10:00 on Tues. Discussion on India at the end of the meeting. Borad won't turn it's attention until after 11:30.

K: We will look at it.

W: You are in Calif. Back by then?

K: No. Deal with Gen. Haig, my deputy.

W: OK. In D.C.

retention
n't think it should
a good sense of
it we should try

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TELCORN

Mrs. Schlosser/Kissinger

11/26/71

Mrs. Schlosser proposed at 7:30 dinner Monday, Nov. 29. HAK suggested 8:00 was better. Mrs. S. indicated very informal and conversational. At her home, 713 N. Bedford Dr., Beverley Hills -- 2 blokks from BH Hotel. She asked if the Secret Service would be checking it out and HAK indicated they would probably drive by. He also asked that she have something available to feed them that evening. Mrs. S. Said it was fine if HAK wanted to bring a date -- either way was fine but if he did bring someone she would like to know in advance. HAK said he would let her know Sat.

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TELCOM
Amb. Raza/Kissinger
10:15 a.m. 11/27/71

R: I just spoke with Gen. Haig. He has spoken to you.

K: Yes.

R: I need not repeat or he told you?

K: He told you what we _sxxx_ decided here.

R: Before he talked with you briefly.

K: We have decided to toughen up resblution. Combine paragraph 3 and 4 and make then evenhanded and call on Pakistan and India for facilitating refugees and all foreign forces and ceasefire.

R: I have just received a telegram from my govt. that say its very ? ? ? ? . So they can find somebody.

K: I have given it some thought. Consider if you should take it there. You are the attacked country.

R: We won't. Maybe the Italians or Belgium.

K: Will they come in a resolution that is supportable for you?

R: They are talking about it. Then there's ______ and Somalia. That I cannot say yet.

K: Not thinking of doing it yourselves?

R: That's not a good idea.

K: At first that's what I thought but now I think your country has been invaded so natural for you to raise it.

R: I will send a telegram and let them think about it.

K: We have no objections any longer to going to the Security Council. We had to push it and I had to find out if your friends in NY would support a resolution Now that we know what they will do and we have our bureaucracy used to the idea, that will not be pro-Indian and the press is in line.

R: They attacked President Nixon.

K: That's good.

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R: I will read the Washington Post which says "has President Nixon eased off on Pakistan and ? ? ? ? ? ? ? mediation for Pakistan and India. The arms shimpment ? ? ? ? Yehya Khan. ? ? ? ? ? blaming India for war. The American people might find it difficult to give humanitarian aid ? ? ? ? and heavy application ? ? ? ? . President refused to bring it to the Security Council. The spectacular of the President sitting by while India and Pakistan go to war ? ? ? ? request for international peace." This is the Post.

K: Is it an editorial?

R: Editorial.

K: If we moved earlier they would attack his percipitive action.

R: (Reads from the NY Times.)

K: That I have seen. Two days ago.

R: No this morning's. I am not reading everything. (Continues to read.)
I wanted to tell you both sides.

As sent
K: Haig told you we want a very sharp note to Mrs. Gandhi yesterday and another to Kosygin. Strictly for your information we are holding up administra-tively any new aid.

R: You said some thing new this morning that hasn't come out.

K: It's easy for newspapers to say some thing but if we take a falst step they will jump on us. We want to prove we have done everything and it will be done Monday or Tues. If she rejects it -- but this has to be in response to provo-cation and not force the case.

R: Strongly for us will we have the situation. We will depend on you. The worl
d has to know.

K: If it goes to the Security Council we will make a speech condemning military action. I don't know if I will be back on Monday or Wed. But it's not good for you to come out.

R: I will go on Monday to State so they will not feel left out.

K: But report to Haig and don't move until Haig tells you. Our man on the World Bank will give a sharp speech. Tues. at 11:30. I wou.d appreciate it if you would keep your friends in NY informed of our actions and toughening information along the lines I told you.

R: The Chinese have told us that they support us. They say why go to us. Go to your friends in Washington. They will come out very strongly. Very

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strongly in the disarmament committee.

K: I saw what they said about Russia.

R: They support us strongly too.

K: Only part on the Soviet Union.

R: I will get it.

K: Whom did you see up there?

R: They all wanted to meet me and many showed up. Their ______ minister, interpreter and one other.

K: You give a briefing on your conversations with me?

R: Complete except that you had seen them. I did not mention it and they did not.

K: That's good. Helpful.

R: I told Gen. Haig.

K: You told them the WH doing best to support you?

R: I told them that. Could not have said stronger. Unnecessarily suspicious of all those people. They said we are telling you for your own good.

K: Did you tell them about the State Dept. problem?

R: No, not quite. I didn't want to go into that. I did not think its right for me.

K: It's a problem of getting discipline established.

R: Telegram today says Pakistan announced today that 5 attacks have been repulsed. (mentions 5 areas.)

K: At any rate they understand your conversations with me and that's major. They know action will take place.

R: Indira Gandhi flew today to Ragistra (?) to address the troops close to the Pakistani border. Tomorrow to Punjab. Next week ______.

K: I think your President and Foreign secretary should consider whether you shouldn't take it to the Security Council.

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R: I will send a wire.

K: Then you can take a stronger position. They may come up with a
very neutral resolution if someone else does it. We are going for a stronger
resolution that you have seen.

R: That's correct. Stronger version.

K: Which we will strengthen in asking for withdrawal and ceasefire and
combine paragraphs 3 and 4 and make them apply to India and Pakistan. We
will talk again on Monday.

TELCOM

Guido Goldman/Kissihger

11:30 a.m.

k 11/27/71

GG talked about someone to head up a Foundation. HAK suggested David Rockefeller whom Guido thought was an idea if not too establishment. If there was to be more than one head, he thought perhaps Harvey Brooks to assist. HAK said that Vance is a Democratic polititian and therefore not a good idea. Guido felt it should be someone who wasn't political or apt to become involved in politics because it would be unfair to the Gemmans. They also want a name that means something in Germany.

GG mentioned he is going to Germany for two weeks and offered to pick up something for HAK. He asked for scarves that he might give as gifts -- with the caveat that he would definitely pay Guido for them.

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TelCon:11:50-Nov. 27, 1961

Mr. Kissinger/
Mel Elfin

K: How are you Mel. I called you about the following which I would like to keep between you and me. We have announced today the meeting with Heath in Bermuda.

E: The only one left is Princess Grace.

K: Now are you getting into my social business again. I want to give you advance warning what is going off on the weekend, and this is strictly off the record. We will be announcing a meeting with Sato which will take place in San Clemente and on Sunday a meeting with Brandt.

E: Everyone but Princess Grace. Will this all be in December.

K: One in January. I would like to get Ron into the act so he doesn't start calling Ambassadors. I will ask him to call Henry Hubbard.

E: No, Henry is on vacation. Phil Cook is out there.

K: Should Ron get in touch with Cook. You know now the basic facts. I will ask Ron to call Cook first thing in the morning to give him the dates and places on a private basis the Japanese and German meetings. You won't be scooped by anybody but you will know what you are doing and not look silly.

E: Good, I will call Cook and tell him tomorrow to be on the alert.

K: But he will hear from Ron in the morning and he will not do anything today.

E: Yes. By the way I was suppose to have a date with a CIA man today and he couldn't make it because of the snow.

K: That is one of the best news I have heard. When they operate they get things screwed up.

E: Well, I will just tell Cook not to go to Los Angeles tomorrow but stay around the pool and I will not even have him talk to any reporters not even me.

K: But I want him to talk to you to get things straight. And I will not call you again.

E: OK.

K: Good.

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TELCON

Jos. Kraft/Kissinger

9:30 a.m

11/29/71

JK: Calling because I want some sense to what degree Secy. Connally was turned around. Political dimension put into the equation?

HAK: No question about it. Off the record?

JK: Absolutely.

HAK: It's obviously the political dimension which has been put in it and is going to have to receive increasing attention. Tactical force and tones but ______ in it now.

JK: When and in what circumstances?

HAK: Don't want to go into that.

JK: I think we take it the meeting last Wed. was important.

HAK: What meeting?

JK: You, Burns and Connally with the President last Wed.

HAK: That's right.

JK: Graceful on the part of the Secretary?

HAK: I don't like to use the word retreat. I think everybody -- graceful would be closer. He is a man of strong convictions. Everyone understands basics now.

JK: Central to the meetings you are having now.

HAK: Can't settle on at bilateral meetings and can;t have an economic system you oppose ? ? ? and maintain it. It's in everyone's interest to be in the common interest. If it grows over the next month now a solution inevitable. What specific terms there are, that's different.

JK: A ______ rather than imposed settlement.

HAK: Keep me out of it.

JK: You know I have an interest. If you have some time I am a batchelor these days so come have dinner. Just call.

HAK: I will during this week.

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Rabin/Kissinger

10:25 a.m. 11/29/71

R: I see that you have come much earlier.

K: That's right.

R: Two points. One, do you think as a result of your coming earlier xxx can we have the meeting on Wednesday? The breakfast?

K: Sure.

R: I think it would be better and more time for both sides. Whatever you like. Lunch or --

K: Let me see if the President is out of town on Wed. If he is I suggest lunch. If not, I suggest a breakfast. Is breakfast too early?

R: I think it might be. I would like to see her before.

K: Everyone writes the script for everyone.

R: If you find a way to do it on Wed. it would be --

K: Let's aim for lunch on Wed. and I will let you know.

R: Did you read in the papers that I--

K: Yes.

R: I hope that he did not --

K: I read it word for word and the only one the President will read is the last on the military thing.

R: Did you get from the other place anything about it?

K: No. What do you mean? I know. I may but not yet. I will do something to see that the President reads some before the meeting.

R: That will be very important. Because she will ask you to what extent she can ____ if he has read it.

K: I will give him all but my judgment is he will only read the last. Some is interesting for the mood. More interesting for Egyptians then Soviets except towards the end. Honestly in my opinion the Soviets are trying to keep their options open.

R: Unlimited supply of arms.

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10:25 a.m. 11/29/71

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K: That keeps it open. If peace they will claim they are not weak and ?? Third part most interesting for what the Soviets are doing. The next interesting is the Arab attitude and argument that they are being won away from the Soviets.

R: I don't think you are wrong. What I saw also was the Egyptian mood shows to what extent they are willing to cooperate with the Russians for their support.

K: That's right. The Egyptian side is very interesting. I must say, you don't treat your allies as well but you don't get as many weapons.

R: In returning, nothing.

K: More pride anyway. Let's aim for lunch on Wed.

Rx

TELECON

Secretary Connally

11/29/71 11:22 a.m.

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K: I was talking to the President and on that matter of the invitation he agrees that at your discretion you should maybe take the initiative when it will do you the most good, and say that the only reason they were not included was that we didn't want to do it during their presidential election. But we would be delighted if they can come here in the second half of January. It would be an informal working meeting, not a State visit. An office meeting and dinner in the evening. I think we'll have to do it anyway, we might as well do it first.

C: It's up to you; I'm just passing it along.

K: No, it's the right thing to do. Don't you think?

C: Yes, especially because he's the only one now and he stands out like a sore thumb. I'm meeting him at 9:00 in the morning.

K: Why don't you bring it up -- let's just leave it that you'll bring it up. Also, I mentioned to the President this Wednesday meeting. He thinks the source is what you do.

C: That's right. It's not a big deal. It just makes us all look bad.

K: That's what the President thinks. It goes without saying . . . you are his man there.

C: It's just that someone first cuts me up and secondly tries to drive a wedge between us.

K: We will have a backgrounder tomorrow on these meetings. If the question comes up, we will make a strong endorsement of your position.

C: On that point I'm not giving much. We have indications that these folks are pulling back on us now. I'm not going to give a damn thing.

K: You are in charge John.

C: Well, there will be no changing as I see it now.

K: You will give the general line we agreed on though.

C: Yes.

K: But just on the tough side.

C: Yes.

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Ron Ziegler

11/29/71 11:25 a.m.

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K: Ron, don't say anything about the Italians yet, because Connally
won't raise it with them until tomorrow.

Z: Okay. Will that be here or on one of your islands?

K: We are looking over Italian possessions in sunny climates.

Z: Really Henry, where do you visualize holding your meeting?

K: Here.

Z: Okay, I won't say a thing about it.

K: Okay.

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Mr. Portius (Ottawa)/Kissinger

11:47 a.m.

11/29/71

K: What I would like to do since our plans are hardly a secret any more, I thought we should get them into final paper. As I mentioned to Mr. Head the other day we suggested the 6th or the 20th but the 6th is better for us.

P: Also for us.

K: Shall we make it definite?

P: I would like to get the Prime Minister's agreement to it.

K: Talk with the PM. Our idea is an appointment in the President's office towards the end of the afternoon around 3:00 or 4:00. Then a stag working dinner for the PM that evening.

P: I am sure the PM will agree. How long will the meeting in the office last?

K: One and a half hours. That will be flexible.

P: I will talk with the PM. It sounds satisfactory to me.

K: What you might check -- that day has been set aside for some filming in the President office by the TV networks so there will be some cameras there for 3-4 minutes. In addition to the usual press.

P: Particular TV?

K: NBC.

P: You think 3-4 minutes?

K: The usual press pictures plus about 5 minutes.

P: Their Tete a tete.

K: So both sides can get profound non-controversial statements into their minds.

P: Do you see this as a restricted number of people?

K: We prefer it to be restricted. The President works best -- President and PM photographed alone. Usually I and someone from your side comes in.

P: That's maximum of whole meeting.

K: If the PM wants to bring others we can arrange for a meeting with their counterparts.

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Portius/Kissinger

11:45 a. m.

11/29/71

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P: The PM best under those circumstances too.

K: Unless you have PR xxxxxx reasons for productive meeting this is best.

P: Sometimes we set aside a part of a meeting, maybe the last half hour, for
Cabinet minister sitting in.

K: PM should bring along the Foreign Secy. and Finance Minister to talk with
Rogers and Connally respectively and then get them together for a few minutes.

P: After I talk with him shall I call you back?

K: I wish you would.

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TELCON
Connally/Kissinger

11:55 a.m. 11/29/71

K: I have to keep you off TV and this is the only way I can do it for now is on the phone.

C: I came over here to get away from it.

K: I don't want you to sneak in a satellite. You should raise it with Columbo so we can give a date and not look like an after thought. Jan. 21. In Washington. If he agrees, we will announce it Wed. or Thurs. We say you extended invitation when you were there. Reason that they are last was because of their Presidential election.

C: Anything else?

K: That's all. Every luck with your meetings.

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TELECON
Secretary Rogers

11/29/71 12:40 p.m.

K: How was it down there?

R: Just great. How was it in California?

K: Foggy and miserable.

R: Oh, that's a shame.

K: I notice you met with the Chinese, and Trudeau.

R: Oh yeah, I intended to let you know ahead of time but didn't get a chance.

K: And the Bulgarian -- that must have been something.

R: And ______ of Ethiopia.

K: Did any of these people show up.

R: No, the whole thing was a fraud. It got on international radio somehow. I wanted to get an update on the President's attitude on India/Pakistan. My judgment is we should wait another day before making an announcement, and when we do it should include new licenses and embargo on the pipeline.

K: That is almost exactly his thinking. I showed him Keating's cable on Sunday. I think we should do it Wednesday. Because today we're announcing the China trip and tomorrow there will be further details on that. Or we can do it tomorrow if you prefer.

R: I think Wednesday is okay. It will give us a chance to take another look.

K: And then embargo the whole thing . . . I mean new licensing and the pipeline.

R: That's right. Italy will be just as mad one way or the other.

K: That's right, and if we show our teeth they'll try to get back in our good graces.

R: It's a judgment call.

K: No but the President's thinking is very similar to yours, in fact identical.

R: And on the details of the China trip you are announcing tomorrow, I think we ought to consider taking Marshall Green as well as Al Jenkins.

TELECON
Secretary Rogers
11/29/71 12:40 p.m. p. 2

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K: That's decided.

R: Which way?

K: That he can go. We won't go into that much detail, but for your own thinking, he will go.

R: He has been a good soldier. I know the President has been fed up with him sometimes, but he's loyal and has always been a strong believer in the President's policy toward China . . .

K: And besides it's tough for an Assistant Secretary . . .

R: That's right and he is a great supporter of the President. Okay.

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R: That's fuhny. The President has taken on a hell of a schedule.

K: With all these meetings.

R: And all these other things too.

K: It's murderous.

R: I'm glad he backed off on that Latin America grip.

K: Considering what would have been gotten out of it compared with the investment in time it wouldn't have been much, and they would just have batted him around. Are you going ahead with the Foreign Ministers meeting?

R: I don't know.

K: From our point of view it's not a must, and you might be in the same danger as he would be.

R: I hope this Latin American exemption goes through some time.

K: Yes, that we hope to have settled in the next month. I just talked to Connally this morning. I thought we had him geared to take a softer line. Now he says the Europeans are sons of bitches and he is going to take a tougher line.

R: I think he is hurting himself.

TELECON
Secretary Rogers

11/29/71 12:40 p.m. p. 3

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K: And you can't settle monetary questions by K fiat. I thought it was good to get their attention, and to let them know we mean business. But all of this only makes sense if we move in the direction of a settlement. You can do this with people you're never going to see again, but we can't say that XAXX about them. We need their assistance.

R: And they are on our side. The Russians must enjoy this, making our allies our worst enemies. I think the meetings are going to be important.

K: I am assuming we have to have monetary thing settled by the of January.

R: It seems to me we do

TELECON

Attorney General

11/29/71 12:50 p. m.

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M: I had a cable from Dick Watson in Paris in which he suggested that we send them some people over to start negotiating on the drug question. I wonder if you have any feelings as to whether that should be done after December 12 and 13, or any other reactions you have to it.

K: Let me look into the tactics of it. If it's ready for solution . . .

M: An interim solution at best which, if it got much publicity, might exacerbate the situation and get the Congress stirred up.

K: Let me look into it and give you a recommendation first thing in the morning.

M: All right sir.

TELECON
Mr. Portius (Ottawa)
11/29/71 1:15 p.m.

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P: I spoke to the Prime Minister -- he prefers next Monday and if the meeting could be at 4:00, that would be good.

K: All right. We'll move it to 4:00. That's easy for us. You can consider that settled.

P: Good. I will get Ivan Head to call you about the agenda.

K: Yes, and shall we settle on Wednesday for the announcement?

P: I will ask Peter Roberts -- he's our press secretary -- to call Ziegler. And as far as the logistics are concerned, shall I call Chapin?

K: What sort of logistics?

P: Getting the Prime Minister from one place to another . . .

K: Let me get out protocol people at State to get in touch with you this afternoon or tomorrow morning.

P: Okay. I will have Ivan Head call you and Peter Roberts call Ziegler.

K: And I will have our protocol people call you by tomorrow morning.

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TELCON

Dr. Kraemer/Kissinger

2:25 p.m.

11/29/71

HAK: I just couldn't see you before I left. I thought to do it tonight if you are free.

K: I have tonight my friend Gen. Rowney at my home who wants to tell me about NATO.

HAK: It's not -- I like Rowney but --

K: We should talk alone. I only say it so you don't have the feeling I say no.

HAK: We are such good friends it couldn't happen.

K: Another evening would be better. He is here for only a couple of days. I can't disinvite him.

HAK: Of course not. I cannot do it this week but will find an evening next week. I understand Haig is seeing you.

K: No, that's a mistake. Rowney is seeing Haig but without me. I had the impression that Haig's office got that wrong.

HAK: I know their capacity for getting things wrong.

K: I was aghast that his secy. thought that. No, only for Gen. Rowney. I am not seeing him. They can talk better when they are alone. Rowney has some technical things to explain.

HAK: I will see you sometime next week. I will work it out next week.

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TELECON
Ambassador Raza

11/29/71 3:42 p.m.

K: I want to keep you informed on the situation so that ... one, for your discussion at 4:00 which will go along the lines I mentioned. He will indicate that it is up to you and will indicate the lines we will support. But also, we have made the decision to go on the arms cut-off, and to announce it on Wednesday. The only thing that will intervene is if it goes to the Security Council. It may be now in your interest to wait till Friday.

R: Friday will be too late.

K: For what?

R: For anything. Why not Thursday?

K: So it doesn't look like you were encouraged to do anything.

R: All right. A telegram is going; I will amend it.

K: But don't misunderstand. We will support you along the lines we indicated. It turns out to be more substantial than I thought. It includes radar network along the whole Chinese border.

R: All right sir. I will make note of that.

K: Right.

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TELCON

Adm. Moorer/Kissinger

4:11 p.m. 11/29/71 (secure phone)

M: Want to pass on my personal views. I think the President is absolutely right in India. Give the Russians the headache of India and let the Chinese fight them.

K: That's our intention. They haven't done a thing for us.

M: And never will. ________ got a thing to do. After this is over we will be in a better position after we disengage.

K: Maybe they will be coming back then.

M: They will be considerably more hungry after the Russians feed them. I will tell Congress or anyone else.

K: Thank you. We are going on the announcement.

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TELCORN

Ivan Head (Ottawa)/Kissinger
4:15 p.m. 11/29/71

K: We have 10 wire taps -- I can hardly hear you.

H: Must be your end. Mr. Portius says you think we should chat on ideas for
the agenda.

K: I am relaxed. It's his idea not mine.

H: I figure generally U.S. /Canadain relations and perhaps East-West relations
as well.

K: And perhaps a word on international monetary thing.

H: I put that under U.S. /Canada.

K: What do you consider problems of Canada and the U.S.

H: Largely economic. Perhaps a word on environmental matters because of
the Great Lakes Agreement which is going well at home. Nothing else. Everything
in shape.

K: Some East-West and some NATO problems. That's fine. The President
will probably not want to get into the technical issues and leave that to Connally.
Are you bringing others?

H: I think not. Wants to have ministers discuss it.

K: Are they coming?

H: I think so.

K: We will set up meetings with the ministers and their counterparts.

H: Mr. Sharp and ______ of trade and Benson of Finance.

K: Rogers will not be here so it will be Irwin as the counterpart of Sharp.
Rogers will be at NATO meetings (in Europe).

H: Maybe Sharp will be too. That will take care of it.

K: Good. We are planning a black tie stag dinner for the evening.

H: And press is being dealt with.

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Head/Kissinger

4:15 p. m.

11/29/71

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K: We will have State in touch with you. Any problems, call me. Will you be able to work along?

H: Yes.

K: Usually after the press leaves the room I and my counter part come in. Is that you?

H: Yes.

K: Agreeable to the PM?

H: Yes. Prefers small numbers as more productive.

K: 4 people. You, PM, President and myself.

H: I think it's fine. Not likely anything again. If anything comes up, please call me on __________.

K: Look forward to seeing you next week.

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TELECON

The President/Mr. Kissinger
4:45 p.m., November 29, 1971

P: [Missed opening query]

K: I understand from Ron it is going very well.

P: I was thinking of having Finch in to give me a report. I think we should get it done. When are you free?

K: I can do it about 5:30. I was going to see Gerry Schecter about the cover. I could start with Schecter and then come in when you are ready to see Finch.

P: Why don't you start with Schecter. On Finch, maybe we could do it in the morning. What time are you briefing?

K: In the afternoon.

P: Has it been announced?

K: Only generally. We have everyone agreed to cut off of arms aid. State will announce it at noon on Wednesday.

P: Your idea was very good. State should announce it.

K: We have a choice -- to cut off everything or just new licenses. Bill thinks, and I tend to agree, that we should cut off everything.

P: We should cut everything.

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TELCON
B. Safire/Kissinger
4:52 p.m. 11/29/71

(missed first part)

S: ... you and I originally talked. Your reaching out and talking with thinking more. It's a facet that's worthwhile. I don't know how else I can do it with.

Beyond the usual briefing topics on how you see the shaping of next year. I like to thrust them forward until the kindly, lovable Henry Kissinger or secret swinger but someing something else.

K: NYTimes piece could be a departure.

S: T hat's good. I will look it over again. This would set the tone on how to handle HAK next year.

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TELECON
The President
11/29/71 5:00 p.m.

P: I'm just calling so they know we are in touch. One thing. Billy Graham has been invited to go see the Chaing Kai-sheks. He is going. He is very close to them because of their religion. He would like to have a breifing paper. I told him your office would prepare one, so if you will say it is prepared, and when he comes talk to him.

K: I think that is going to be extremely helpful.

P: And have Haig call him and tell him about this.

K: Yes, I will call you within the next day.

P: How's everything going, all right?

K: Find Mr. President.

K

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TELCORN
Amb. Raza/Kissinger

6:20 p.m.

11/29/71

R: You asked me to let you know after I was there. They did not mention anything about ________. He was very charming and tried to be helpful and a pleasant talk. I think you have been pulling their ear.

K: Yes. I told you I wasn't wasting my time. If we had pushed it faster -- my judgment is as earlier. When you want to go to the Security Council we will support you.

R: I thought they would officially today --

K: I thought they might but you can count on it.

R: There are two important telegrams that I would like to bring to your notice. One telegram I will read two paragraphs and if you can help us -- ''? ? ? advice on special equipment to ship by Russian M18 helicopters which we possess. ? ? ? humanitarian grounds. U.S. Navy on ? ? ? ??. Procurement can be arranged by third force.'' My naval attache will see Naval authorities tomorrow. If you would tell somebody.

K: I will see what the legal position is.

R: When I was with Sisco he told me that ? ? ? ? ? and going to speak in strong terms.

K: Congress?

R: Ex Congress and Senators.

K: I don't know about that.

R: If he would be told to be tough I would be grateful.

K: I will check on that.

R: There's a fellow called Abshire. If he could be briefed to say something to Congress.

K: We will do it our way. We will generate Congressional comment and we are starting on it. You will see it in the next week.

R: You suggested something time ago to send people to our country and would recommend some names. Haven't told me yet.

K: Because of the situation.

R: Anyone we will send immediately.

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TELCON
Shutlz/Kissinger
6:35 p.m. 11/29/71

Sh: I have a memo from Defense program that John Court initiated from you and I to the President.

K: I have to talk to Haig about it. I will call you in the morning. I don't accept staff work until I have checked it.

S: It's the memo we have had so many go-rounds on.

K: Can't it wait 24 hours?

S: No because in the Defense process they are batting it up to Packard.

K: Between 6:00 tonight and noon tomorrow it will make no difference.

S: By noon he will make a decision and once a decision is made he can't be shaken loose. So we need it soon.

K: Noon tomorrow.

S: And then we have to talk with Laird.

K: I may be able to confirm by middle of the morning.

S: I remember going to Andrews you were going to have Haig check it.

K: I have not gotten his word yet.

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TELCONE

Otis Chandler/Mr. Kissinger

8:05 p.m., November 29, 1971

K: I am calling you about the December 6 date. The difficulty is that is the day that Trudeau is coming to Washington. I had it nearly arranged to come out and then the only convenient date for the two heads of government in December turned out to be next Monday.

C: Sure, sure.

K: If there is anything the _Times_ or the Chandler family wants --

C: Your schedule must be very busy.

K: I was going to say given advance warning but in this case, even advance warning wouldn't have helped.

C: I was going to call you a long time ago and didn't and then I decided maybe by chance you might be free.

K: In this case it literally would have made no difference. This meeting with Trudeau finally gelled.

C: What country is President Nixon not going to meet with?

K: I am going to handle Princess Grace.

C: Yes, and you will do well. You prefer that to Prime Minister Golda Meir?

K: I almost think so.

C: I think your son wasn't so far off.

K: Ron Ziegler called my son tonight and told him we announced the Peking trip today. His first question was, "When is it?"

C: You will be busy with these trips. He is meeting with everybody.

K: We have to show that our allies will be seriously consulted.

C: Your reports any more credible about the India/Pakistan situation? We can't send anyone in; we can't find out what the hell is going on?

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TELCON

Otis Chandler/Mr. Kissinger

8:05 p.m., November 29, 1971 -- page 2

K: The Indians have trained two divisions of Banglas because they are hard to tell apart. The Indians are supporting them with artillery tanks whenever they get into trouble but not Indian forces. There are two things they are trying to do. One, .... on the Frontier and bleed them there so that the guerrillas can operate in the internal ______ and secondly, ...... Pakistani Army so that they run out of supplies and collapse. Offered them almost everything. If they gave us three months to work on it, we would get it.

C: It is hard to figure out.

K: The Indians won't let anyone in and the Pakistanis are too badly organized.

C: Okay, Henry. I'm sorry you can't come out but you are nice to even consider it.

K: The Los Angeles Times and you have a special claim on me. If there is anything I can do, let me know.

C: I appreciate that. Thank you for calling.

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TELCORN

Mrs. Joyce Cramer/Mr. Kissinger

8:45 p.m., November 29, 1971

C: I am leaving for New York tomorrow.

K: If you find you have an evening free, I count on you to call me.

C: I doubt that I will have a free evening.

K: Anytime you can come, I would love to see you. I won't be going to the Women of the Year Award because Trudeau is coming to Washington. I told Otis if he still wants me next year, I will do it.

C: I know I will be doing it. Are you still going to be coming out in January?

K: January 2-12. Are you going away over Christmas?

C: No Christmas but December 29th through the New Year to Acapulco. We are coming back whatever that Sunday is.

K: That would be the 2nd.

C: Of January. Knowing my husband, we will be back the 2nd.

K: Then I will see you then. Maybe we will get you down to San Clemente.

C: I will speak to you before that. Sorry you are not going to be here for Christmas.

K: I have to be in Key Biscayne at that time.

C: You are certainly welcome here. You are probably going to get a large package. It is from Saks 5th Avenue out here.

K: Can it stand x-rays?

C: Yes, it can stand x-rays. The Secret Service will probably open it up and it won't be a surprise for you.

K: They will open it up but they will rewrap it again so it will be a surprise to me not to them.

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TELCOM

Haldeman/Kissinger
morning 11/29/71

H: What do you think he has to have?

K: Hour and a half.

H: No second day meeting?

K: No. A dinner. if the guy said 7:30 but then he said he will stay until 10:00 so now at 8:00.

H: Stag, black tie. 30.

K: I have some other good news for you. You call Ambassadors and I will do the scheduling. Connally called from Rome and said the Italians are up in arms that they are the one country excluded. Indefensible and from a political point of view--

H: Where will we meet them?

K: In Washington second half of Jan. Same as Trudeau.

H: Can we set a date with the understanding we might change it?

K: We don't have to set a date for a few weeks.

H: I think we should if we can change it.

K: Connally will broach it tomorrow.

H: They look like an after thought now and if we can announce it in this cycle it will be fine.

K: Give me a date?

H: 21st. Friday.

K: With a dinner?

H: OK.

K: Fine.

H: I would announce it but have some understanding with them that there's a Congressional problem for a change of date. It's better for them.

K: I will call Connally again.

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H: Announce it tomorrow or Wed.

K: Wed. we announce Canada. So do it at the end of the week.

H: Of course Canada already announced. Confirm it today and take care of it.

K: Let me call them.

H: Do you think it doesn't make much difference. It's not a big deal. It's in all the magazines. They put it out.

K: Let me check with the Canadians.

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TELCORN

Dinah Shore/Kissinger

1:16 p.m. 11/30/71

Miss Shore called, thinking HAK still in Calif. and wanting to invite him to dinner.
HAK indicated he would be back on the West Coast after the first of the year and
she said to let her know and she would have him to dinner then.

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TELCORN

Dwight Chapin/Kissinger

1:24 p.m. 11/30/71

C: It's been about this Rogers thing and AG.

K: You are supposed to do --

C: I did it. I called and said the President got the message from the AG regarding conversation with you and he knows what it's about and? ? ?
He said ok, I will think about it. He may want to talk on the phone.

K: That's terrific.

C: I thought you should know right away. I just ask wanted to inform you.

K: I thought you wanted instructions.

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TELCORN

Dr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers

11-30-71 6:30 - 6:35

Secretary Rogers: On the announcement tomorrow on this Indian matter, the President doesn't want to review it again?

HAK: That is right; take the lower option--new licenses plus old licenses.

WR: I am talking to the House of Representatives in a meeting. I thought I would tell them in conference. They would appreciate it.

HAK: That is terrific.

WR: It shows we have confidence in them. We will notify Keating and have him notify the Indians.

HAK: That gives them 10 hours over us.

WR: They should have some advance notice.

HAK: If you told them not to do it until 4:00 in the afternoon. They are 10 hours ahead of us.

WR: Yes, but as a matter of courtesy. Can we tell them at 12:00. Maybe we should tell the Ambassador here.

HAK: You can tell Rasgotra at 10:00 in the morning.

WR: Let Keating go in.

HAK: We should not pull away from it too much. He may start weeping all over them. They have behaved in a bloody way.

WR: ...delay as much as possible until 1973. If he decides to when we go to Moscow. We agree to an exploratory one.

HAK: In Finland, we can't hold it more than 3 weeks.

WR: I hate putting us in the position of dragging our feet. We can get... Don't favor an ambassadorial meeting. Our ambassador in Finland would have trouble getting a bathroom.

HAK: It shouldn't take much more than one hour.

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TELCOM
Gen. Walters/Kissinger
morning 11/30/71

W: I saw my friends. Written message saying advancing of hour okay by them.
Give me another document on the communications factor.

K: For trip br in general?

W: Trip. We asked them about it. A special kind of communications.
I am sending it by courrier who is leaving in a few minutes. By far the most
cordial of meetings. I am invited to lunch on Friday. He has no business but
if he has it will be settled after lunch.

K: Tell him I am jealous.

W: You box will be more after you read the memo.

K: You will get on that thing if it kills you.

W: I would like to go obviously but if it's an inconvenience, no.

K: You will just stop taking messages.

W: Obviously. Obviously I would like to go.

K: On the second message on communications, is it on track?

W: Yes. They want to go and want a reply from us. They want to start
some building.

K: I understand.

W: I don't know the substance. We will let them know what we will do and they
are asking us to tell them. I made full arrangements to handle anything through
my secretary.

K: For 3 days.

W: However long I am gone, I said my secretary knows about this and you can
communicate through you to me. He said how will I know her and he said she
has identification.

K: What other thing?

W: Brazilian.

K: Of course.

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TELCORN

Ron Zeigler /Kissinger

morning 11/30/71

K: On the Italian thing they are in k nowx position to do anything until after their Presidential election which ends on Dec. 29. Get off it saying we cannot do anything until they form a new government. We thought we could arrange a meeting for Jan. but they can't k

Z: I said I know of k no meetings.

K: You can say we discussed the details and this is the situation.

Z: Are you ready at 4:00?

K: 3:30. Scali and the President said this. I don't give a damn. They said for the evening broadcasts.

Z: Not a joint announcement?

K: No but my schedule was made on the assumption of 3:30. Is it hard?

Z: I had calls and said briefings at regular time. We can go at 3:55 and they will expect it then.

K: Can they get it on the evening?

Z: Yesx because you are not on film. You will be through by 4:30.

K: I thought it would run a bit.

Z: Well, 4:45. You will be in good shape. I will let you know if it changes.