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Senator Javits
Mr. Kissinger

2-17-69 7:35 PM

J said he was calling about Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board - they have asked a close friend of his (Jock Whitney) to be on this. K said this was very embarrassing and asked who had asked him. K mentioned this to the President after receiving J's message, and this is not the President's intention. K said if J could turn Whitney off, he would be doing us a great favor. J said he would. J said he would like to get Whitney into something in this Administration. K asked whether he would be an emissary on occasion. J said he thought so.

J said he had had Dick Helms and his people over today for a briefing re the Middle East. J said it had been a very good briefing.

J said they are working out a bill on private investments for foreign aid, which they will show to K when it is ready. K asked if he could tell Bryce about this and J said, of course, he would tell him too.

They agreed to have dinner one night after the trip.

Senator Javits
Mr. Kissinger

2-17-69 8:00 PM

J said he had forgotten one thing - J said whether while K was in Europe he would have in the back of his mind the matter of North Atlantic Industrial Free Trade Area. K said this is one of items on his list - he is going to meet with Peter Besel (?) and a few others wile there and will get their best judgment. J said he is planning a European trip at Easter recess which would include Soviet Union - K said he would be in touch before that.

jm

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Senator Javits
Mr. Kissinger

2-17-69 7:35 PM

J said he was calling about Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board -
they have asked a close friend of his (Jock Whitney) to be on this.
K said this was very embarrassing and asked who had asked him.
K mentioned this to the President after receiving J's message,
and this is not the President's intention. K said if J could turn
Whitney off, he would be doing us a great favor. J said he would.
J said he would like to get Whitney into something in this Administra-
tion. K asked whether he would be an emissary on occasion. J
said he thought so.

Senator Javits
Mr. Kissinger

2-17-69 8:00 PM

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Secretary Rogers
Mr. Kissinger

2/18/69 9:30 a.m.

(I didn't have enough time to make this shorter)

Discussion as to whether Judge Walsh should, or should not, attend
tea with Cy Vance at Lau's invitation. This was not to be a substantive
meeting, but rather Cy would simply introduce him

Rogers: Did you say the President didn't want Larry Walsh to go with Vance to see Lau?

H: Did I say that?

R: We said it was all right for Judge Walsh to go.

H: My major point is, as I understand it, the President would like to
play it very very cool until after he has been there.

R: We had actually OK'd telegram to Walsh and we got word that you countermanded it and it didn't go, that you based it on something the President wanted. I think that was a mistake.

H: I hadn't seen the telegram--I just saw a memo asking my opinion.

R: This was just a tea so he would get acquainted with him.

H: Isn't it tomorrow? We can still do it.

R: If we can still do it -- it's just a tea, Cy is going to introduce him--
it's a farewell tea. Lau is giving for Vance. I think it is highly valuable
to have the contact. It is not for purposes of substantive discussion, but
just to get to know each other.

H: Yes, I know. The thing was to see whether we could get them after
Tho comes back, to see what they have been coming up with. I have no
strong views about Walsh. Strong view was to let them take initiative.

R: They did; they asked to have a tea.

H: If you want Walsh to go, and it's a good idea...

R: It's their invitation, renewing contact, that is very important; if we can
do it we still will.

H: OK

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TELCORN

Robert B. Anderson
Mr. Kissinger
2/18/69 a.m.

(Mr. Anderson's normally quiet voice, coupled with five crashing
typewriters, made the first part of the conversation almost inaudible--to me)

Anderson referred to a conversation with someone in Rome.... they want
"only an indication from us that we believe in the return of the territories
as provided in the UN Resolution of 1967"--they don't want a public statement,
only an expression that the US recognizes the resolution and that we
Americans do believe that the territory generally ought to be returned.
Essentially, it was a lack of trust of the Johnson Administration. They
want to restore relations. They are happy that exchange of correspondence
is going on, but they felt this point had not been made clear in the attitude
of the Administration. The point could be made unofficially--whichever
way we want to do it.

HAK said he would talk to the President about this.

* * *

Anderson has spent a lot of time on fiscal things with Germans, French,
Italians, Swiss, and has sent reports to Dave Kennedy. He hoped he
would have a chance to talk to HAK about these things before the President's
trip. HAK explained he was tied up on trip matters, but asked if
he could call Anderson tomorrow (Wednesday), Feb. 19.

* * *

Anderson referred to his memo about Malta (which HAK had seen) and
said the Italians would expect someone on the Presidential staff to say
something about this while they are there. The reason is that DeGaulle
has now decided he wants this port for himself. HAK said he had called
State's attention to this problem, and he'll just have to see what happens
if the Italians raise it.

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TELCORN

Secy Rogers
Mr. Kissinger

2-19-69 1:00

K said this was probably unnecessary call but President is very
anxious that there be no leaks of any sort about trend of the
discussion today. R said he would say nothing.

Discussed Finney piece in the Times.

K said Fulbright had caught him after meeting and he had a few
minutes with him - both agreed if presented to Fulbright in the
right way, there will be no problem.

jm

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TELCON
Governor Harriman
Mr. Kissinger
2-19-69 1:05 PM

K said after trip he wants to make sure that H is kept well-informed
and will see that Eagleburger comes by to brief him once a week.
K said he understands H is seeing Dobrynin - K said he will be having
some dealings with him and anything H can say to validate him will
be of tremendous help. K said he agrees with H's general approach
on how we can get things lined up over there. K said for H's own
information what might be done in Southeast Asia with the Russians
help on total basis - this is very agreeable here. K said Brezinski
theory is not accepted here but Harriman theory is.

Jm

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TELCORN

Mr. Kissinger
Archbishop Terrence Cooke

2-19-69 6:00 PM

K said he was calling on behalf of the President with a delicate question.
K said we have had great deal of advice that President should have a
personal representative at the Vatican - there are many foreign policy
reasons for doing this. Our motive would be to have the foreign policy
views of the Vatican that they care to give share with us. K said
we have also received a great deal of advice that Roman Catholic
Hierarchy in US would resent this being done. C said he did not think
that was true - a personal representative would not change the
present situation - did not know where that information was coming from.
K said he had had it from a priest and a layman but rather than to
take gossip had thought it best to talk with the Archbishop. C said this
matter had not been discussed for the past ten years - discussions have
not been going on. K asked whether he could mention this to the President
and C said yes. C said if President decides to do something in this area
he thinks it would be very pleasing to the Hierarchy. Reaction would be
far from negative - it would be positive. K said our intention would be
strictly foreign policy and we would set it up in any way that would make that
clear. C said last time it had been a personal representative and K
said that is way we would propose to set it up now. C said he would like
to speak to the Apostolic Delegate about this - asked whether he had seen
President. K said no but that he had seen the Apostolic Delegate but
the matter was not brought up. C said it would be helpful to talk with him
but it would be kept very quiet. C said he was convinced it would not
in any way be unfavorable if he set forth in terms of foreign policy aspect.
C asked K to give him a little time and he would call K after he had had a
chance to speak to the Apostolic Delegate. C said he did know that this subject
was on the mind of the President as the President had mentioned it to him
at the Inaugural luncheon. K said the President feels very warmly toward
the Archbishop. C said he would quietly check out reaction at the present
time as well as reaction to last time there was a representative there.
He will call back tomorrow. C asked that President be given his prayerful
good wishes.

jm

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TELCON
Mr. Ehrlichman
Mr. Kissinger
2/19/69 7:25 pm

HAK told Ehrlichman that SecState complained to the Pres.
that State has not been given any schedules of what is going on.
HAK reassured the Pres that all our communications went thru
State and they know everything we know. (Actually it was Leddy
who complained, and he got backed up.)

HAK and Ehrlichman will have breakfast tomorrow, Thurs.,
at 7:30 a.m., to go thru the whole schedule, with names and
everything.

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TELCONE

Archbishop Cooke
Mr. Kissinger
2-20-69 12:05 PM

C said he had double-checked reaction in terms of American hierarchy and this would be pleasing rather than anything they would oppose.
C said, however, he had talked with the Apostolic Delegate and on the Rome side the thing that would be most pleasing to them would be an Ambassadorial type appointment. C said he knows from brief conversation with President that he felt personal representative would not involve big deal with the Senate, etc. K said that was right and he had thought it would be more difficult from Vatican standpoint if an Amb were appointed. C said President's purpose which is to have listening post would be helpful all over the world and not to have access to the information there is weakness in our set up. C said in addition to the listening type thing, it would help understanding around the world for us to be involved - our concepts would be clearer - channel on strictly political level to get across what we are trying to do about world peace around the world. K said this is exactly the President's thinking. C said he does not think we could chance question of President favoring one religion over another. K asked how we could avoid that question. C said in the way he is presently proceeding he will avoid it. C asked if there were anything further K wanted him to do or should he let the matter rest. K said he thought our intention would be announce this after the President returns from Europe. C said he thought that would be preferable.

Did not hear rest of call because VP came in.

jm

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TELCON
Professor Doty
Mr. Kissinger

2-20-69 12:20 PM

K said it would be helpful when D talks to Arbatov if he would indicate some general support for what K is doing - that he has confidence in K, etc. D said he planned to do that.

K said re ABM along the line they had discussed, if K sells this here it would be helpful would D be able to get enough support in scientific community. D said it was certainly his estimate. D said he had talked about this at some length with Rahjeans before and after his talk with K and D thinks he would be of same view. D said he would take up with Jerry and others there without divulging his reasons. K said he does not promise that it can be done, but if we can bring it off and can demonstrate that scientific scientists will behave reasonably while we deal with their converns reasonably, it would be basis for lot of other things.

D said Zhukov seemed more persuaded than Arbatov and wondered if K had sex spent a longer period of time with Zhukov. K said yes. K filled D in on his conversations with both Zhukov and Arbatov.

jm

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TELCONE
Secy Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
2-20-69 4:00 PM

Discussed Peru emissary - President wants first Murphy (Franklin) and
then if he is not available, Irwin. K said President wanted Relief
Coordinator for Biafra outside of State Dept but Elliot had convinced K
this was not a good idea. K said R's scheme is better one and he would
like to raise it again with President with R's permission.
R said he has some reservations about Murphy. K said if R feels strongly
and prefers Irwin, he is sure President would go along with it. R said
he did not feel strongly. R said he thinks it is a good idea now to send
someone down there.

R asked about schedule. K said they were doing scheduled for R today
and it should have gone over to him.

R said he had good chance to go over ABM thing this morning on Hill.

jm

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TELCON
Secy Laird

Mr. Kissinger

2-20-69 5:00 PM

L said they held forth over there for three or four hours. L said he
indicated the way he leans - it will be the hard position and it will
be bloody for a little while. K said the President will really appreciate
this - said he and President were talking earlier about White House-
Defense relations and he is most grateful. L said if we can keep everyone
quiet for ten days we will come out fine. L said it makes the trip much
more important too as far as talks are concerned. L said he thinks we
have ourselves in the best position we could be in. K said he would make
sure the President knows this.

jm

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TELCON
Gerard Smith
Mr. Kissinger

2-20-69 6:55 PM

Did not hear first part of call.

Smith asked whether K planned to put out something. K said yes we will put out directive and S would be chairman of the group. S said as soon as they get that they will be in business - they are raring to go. K said it will be interdepartmental. K said as a tip S should know it is a good one of no help with the President to quote things that were drafted in the last Administration and fact that Joint Chiefs agree does not make it conclusive. K said S would receive official directive before they leave.

S brought up ABM matter - said Rogers, Seaborg and himself had all been asked while on the Hill whether they were involved with ABM system. S said each of them had answered in the affirmative. (This part of conversation was not clear but HAK said he would take up with President and Packard - I assume he meant Smith's participation insofar as NSC Review ) S said it would be a lot better if Agency is involved in some formal fashion. K said he would see what he could do and get back to S on it.

jm

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Mr. Elliot Richardson
Mr. Kissinger
2-20-69 7:15 PM

K said he had just talked to the President and he is delighted by
what State is doing about Biafra - it will be set up the way they
propose but President would like to make the announcement over
here. R said he was working on an announcement and K asked
him to send it over.

R said he had talked to the Secretary about Peru. Secretary tried
to get Franklin Murphy but he was on plane to California - R will
remind him to call again in the morning. R said before this is
announced there are some initial steps to be taken with OAS, etc.
K agreed.

R said the Spanish-Spanish Base thing went according to plan. K
said he was sorry he could not be there but he was a travel agent
these days. K said as long as he and R meet so frequently he
feels his concerns are well protected. However, K said today was
an exception and he will attend most of the meetings. R said his
own view of this is that if principal is invited and sends
substitute and doesn't like the result, it's too bad - he likes to
decide things at meetings.

jm

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Secy Rogers
Mr. Kissinger

2-20-69 7:25 PM

R said he had a message that he should call to K's attention which
came from one of his people in European division. EUR representative
had a meeting with Counselor at Soviet Embassy who asked that
Secretary of State be advised that they should not have any
Germans on plane to Berlin. R said EUR rep felt this was not a
joke. R asked about Mayor Shuetz (?) - was he on plane from Bonn
to Berlin? K said this has already been done and would be very
hard to turn off. R said they would talk about it when Rogers comes
over tomorrow. R said this apparently comes from the third
man at Russian Embassy.

jm

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Mr. Ellsworth
Mr. Kissinger
2-21-69 9:55 AM

K said during briefing of President that the issue of textile
mission came up. President feels E should not go and in fact that
there should not be a mission until he can look at it again after
the trip. President is moving ahead on E's appointment to NATO
and if E is appointed such a textile mission would hurt him in Europe.
K said he did not raise this - Greenwald (of State) raised it as a
fact of life. K said President began to ask questions and then decided
he did not want mission to take place until he gets back. E said
while he quite agrees, nevertheless it is important if any success is
to be achieved that the mission be undertaken quickly and it might be
well to plan on a mission going around the middle of March. K asked
whether E could do memo which he could show to the President. E
said he had memo drafted for Haldeman which he will go ahead and
send and he will send a copy to K.

K said if E is going to more to NATO i would not be in his interest
to go on the mission. E agreed.

jm

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Mr. McGeorge Bundy
Mr. Kissinger

2-21-69 12:25 PM

K said he thinks the President is willing to make favorable noises about
this - in fact, he is willing to go further than that. B said he would tell
them President is receptive, favorable, etc., but that he wanted him
to take idx the lead.

They discussed memo on scientific affairs.

B said if K did not mind he would call Toon at Dept and have him
get in touch with Zolly Zuckerman. He would ask Toon to tell Zuckerman
that he and K had talked about matter and were agreed on it. K said
he had British Minister waiting to see him and he could ask him to
tell Zolly. B said fine.

DICK HARRIS

jm

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TELCON
Secretary Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
2-21-69 3:50 PM

R said we did not talk about Germans riding on the plane to Berlin.
K said he has been thinking about it and he thinks it will be alright.

R said he had talked with Franklin Murphy about Peru and Murphy has
some question about it - most of his friends are png down there and
he does not speak Spanish very well. K said he should not do it then.
R said he did not know whether Irwin speaks Spanish or not - he will
find out. K said President said either Murphy or Irwin would be fine
with him. R said he would see if he could get someone.

R mentioned letter of Feb 4 on President's general Soviet attitude.
R said he may want to write to him about it but did not want to do it
until he talked to K. Discussed NPT - section 6.

jm

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TELCON
The President
Mr. Kissinger
2/21/69 - 7:00 p.m.

RN: You escaped all right.

HAK: Yes, I think it went very well.

RN: Did you get in for the whole thing?

HAK: I was there from the beginning and I think it was excellent--I talked to a lot of them during the reception...

RN: Because of the fact we had them there?

HAK: I think a combination of backgrounder and your statement.

RN: Did it fit in with yours?

HAK: It fit in completely and it gave them a rather complete picture, and my impression was that they were very pleased.

RN: Our problem now is -- we will talk about this -- to probe the situation. I believe in controlling the news--but not in the sense of curbing anything-- but in what you put out. Just find what we want to say and say it. That's where Johnson was wrong--he kept things so close..

One point you'd approve of--I think Europeans would approve of -- the idea that I was going to discuss bilateral and multilateral matters. I want to get their views on the world. It's really true that we do want to know these fellows -- they're wise men.

HAK: Many have an approach to international affairs that we want to hear. This French thing that we were talking about earlier is creating enormous commotion in Europe--this overture to the British. I think we should play it very cool.

RN: I think the British just did a stupid thing.... I hope they use that picture of Lucet. They'll use it in France, won't they? There are subtle ways to knock these things down.

HAK: This whole problem if one talks only multilaterally..

RN: I believe when you talk about multilateral talks you can no more do that than govern by Cabinet. The only way to have a talk is bilateral--two people

HAK: And in a lot of instances face to face

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Secretary Rogers
Mr. Kissinger
2-22-69 1:10 PM

R said he had talked to President. K asked whether he had got the point.
R said yes. R said we have asked Walsh or Lodge to get in touch
with Zoren over there, particularly insofar as it relates to the talks.
K said there will be no major action while we are abroad militarily -
we have done all we can. R said he thinks we are in good shape.

R said the French/English business is unpleasant. K said he thinks
they have been petty and wrong on this. R said we certainly look
pretty good - Tomkins & told him a week ago and we have kept very
quiet.

jm

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TELCONE

Secy Laird
Mr. Kissinger

2-22-69 1:15 PM

K said he was listening when L talked to the President and K thinks
L is absolutely right. L said we have all the authority we need
and he thinks it is better not to have a big meeting. K said when
you say authority, you mean in-country. L said right - all the
authority we need to protect our troops.

K said on the ABM business, we have to be sure we get public position
coordinated throughout the Government. L said we will have paper
ready March 1. K asked if Lynn could work with Glass on what they
are doing. L said that would be fine - he will get the two of them
together Monday or Turesday. L said the paper is not quite ready for
but he thinks K will be pleased with it as it develops.

jm

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TELCORN
Elliot Richardson
Mr. Kissinger

2-22-69 1:20 PM

K asked whether we had to hold up Biafran thing until State gets
their man. R said no we are ready to go. K asked whether we could
let it go this afternoon - R said yes. R asked about letter; K said it
is on its way over.

On Peru, R said he called Dillon - thinks he might be willing to do it,
but we are not committed. K said he thinks President would prefer
Irwin, but they would not do too badly with Dillon. R said we will
be making contacts with Ambassadors and Linowitz during the week and
laying foundation. R said he would like to have a clear go ahead on
any given name. K said he thought President would want Bob
Murphy, Irwin or Dillon in that order. R said the Secretary plans to
get the President's view on it and will then let R know.

SECRET

Amb. Dobrynin
Mr. Kissinger
2/22/69 2:45 p. m.

(separate paragraph which Amb. Dobrynin dictated (more or less)
not included in this page)

HAK told Dobrynin the President thought HAK and Dobrynin had
a good conversation yesterday, and that in that spirit, the Pres
wanted it to be known in Moscow that if the situation in Vietnam
should turn into a general offensive or attack on major population
centers, we would have to respond very strongly. We would
consider it very unfortunate. We would try not to have to take this
step, but we would have no choice if it turns into that. And we want
them to have advance indication of what will happen if it does
become necessary. But we will not initiate it. Secy Rogers had
already mentioned that to Dobrynin, but the President wanted HAK
to assure Dobrynin that this came from the President personally.

Dobrynin mentioned it to Moscow that it was the President's message.

HAK said "We understand, of course, that you are not planning these moves."

Dobrynin agreed to come to lunch after HAK gets back, and they made
a date for him to come here on March 3, 1:00 pm for lunch.

(phoned by Dobrynin)

2/22/69 2:45 pm

These days some officials in Bonn have been putting forward an idea in conversations with representatives of the Soviet Embassy there that if the United States expressed to Mr. Kiesinger's government an opinion that it would be desirable to refrain from having called the Federal Assembly in West Berlin, then this advice would be gladly followed. If it is of course difficult for us to judge with what aim in view and how seriously such ideas are being expressed to us by West German officials. If in Bonn they are really in favor of a solution which would eliminate the presentation, then as it was stated on a number of occasions, the Soviet side would positively evaluate a corresponding step on the part of the Federal Republic of Germany. This would allow to avoid unnecessary complications and cut short a tendency towards mounting of tension.

(Dobrynin added the further comment that "in Moscow, they share fully the opinion of President Nixon that West Berlin should not throw a shadow on the American relation.")

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TELCON

Senator Mansfield
Mr. Kissinger

2-22-69 6:40 PM

K said he was calling in behalf of the President who was a little concerned that he might have left wrong impression at leadership meeting with respect to M's comment about seeing Vietnamese in Paris. K said President had said that while reviewing the VN negotiating situation, he would, if Amb Lodge thought it desirable, see leaders of SVN delegation. Lodge strongly urges this and it is almost impossible not to see them while he is there. M said he had said [口] President would waste his assets and credit [口] if he became involved with any [口] Vietnamese. K said President wants to have soft public posture in order to be able to talk to them when the need arises. There will be no communique, very low key, whole tone will attempt to stree[s] need for settlement. M said that makes him feel better. K said President wanted M to know this. M said he had thought prestige of Presidenty would be hurt and if K had not called M would have gone on assumption that he would not see any Vietnamese. K said President will very much keep in tact the prestige of the Presidency. M said fine, he will have his support. M said he would see K at the airport tomorrow - Fulbright, M and Kennedy will be there - it's a show of unity and M hopes some of those who [口] are considering demonstrating will take note of this. K said he knows the President appreciates this very much.

jm