TELECON
Senator Fulbright/Secretary Kissinger

November 27, 1973

5:00 PM

(Missed the first part)

F: If we bring them around..... I saw McCormack awhile ago.......

K: But in foreign policy..... Exactly. If you can come 15 years you're
that much ahead.

F: It think it's useless to come around......

K: Mr. Chairman, I have one problem which has to be discussed with......

F: Our concern is in the Arabs.

K: The trouble with Israel now is not material. How much they get.....
They need us in case of war. It has enough......

F: ......is still in your hands to persuade them to come around. That's
the only thing.

K: But I think that is not going to ......... You were doing what I
had hinted to you. I would just as soon get it moving now.

F: I am going to be away next week. I'll talk to the staff. We have a
new director.........

K: He's a good man.

F: He's a real pro. He's a specialist on Latin America.

K: What's Carl going to do?

F: He's going to continue as a consultant for the next 6 months.

K: I saw Lowenstein. He's got till May until he has to move........
He has been on your staff at one point. He's the one you wanted to
send to the Near East. I am not worried about it...... I will get
the machines started by 6:00............

F: I don't think so.

K: I will find out who he is. OK Mr. Chairman.

TELECON

Ambassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger

November 27, 1973

5:10 pm

K: On just one other thing. Where is that cable from Ellis, I am talking to some associate here....the Israelis also have some points..Do you think we can negotiate this thing by the end of 75, the letter.

D: Laughter.

K: Israel's want, I'll tell you frankly at some point we should just send the letter and tell them to go to hell. They want, a minor point, the United States and Soviet Union have now been informed by the parties concerned of their readiness to enter negotiations among the parties concerned under the auspices of the United States and USSR. They want to say between the parties concerned.. something like that. They want to pick up the phraseology of 338.

D: A minor point, but I don't know how the Arabs..but along the lines of the resolution as for others, they don't object.

K: They have a number of bilateral points with us..without prejudice to possible participants at a subsequent stage by determination by the conference.

D: Clearly stated in your letter...settled without changing.

K: I noticed I now have a longer telegram from Ellis and he tells me that Fawzi made these points as suggested

D: I am writing a telegram to instruct .. to tell them up to now never any question of auspices.

K: My strong view is we should not insist on co-chairmanship but insist on auspices.

D: Exactly.

K: If we don't insist on that all hell will break loose if it is under Waldheim.

D: Laughter, I know the Egyptians and you have never objected to my knowledge..

K: I feel that if you agree we will tell our Ambassador in Cairo that it has always been understood that the auspices would be the US and Soviet Union. You will stick to that?

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Barry Goldwater/Secretary Kissinger

November 27, 1973

6:30 PM

K: I would like to have an opportunity......

G: You had told me that it had been ..... I would like to visit with
you. I am leaving for Iran Friday.

K: See if we can get together for 15 minutes.

G: Thursday I am getting briefed by Admiral ...... and getting debriefed by General Quinn.

G: She wants to come back home now.

K: I always thought Sally was basically a sweet girl.

G: I'm very fond of her. Don't tell anybody but I think she is getting......
so she can do.........

K: What's your feeling about the Middle East problem?

G: I thought you explained it beautifully this morning. I have been thinking that sooner or later whether we like it or not that world is going to have to ...... to those people. I think the way to explain, and this is understandable, I think our ally is very, very wrong. They will live to regret it.

K: .......

G: I don't worry too much about it........

K: Come over at 6:00 - 6:15 tomorrow.

G: What time?

K: Say for 6:00 for 15 minutes to a half hour.

G: See you at 6:00.

K: O.K.

TELECON

General Haig/Secretary Kissinger

November 27, 1973

7:20 PM

K: How did Rosie do today?

H: I think she did fine. I think she has to go back again tomorrow.

K: Look, this ...is driving me crazy on the Dutch oil thing. I think we have to make some offer to help in an emergency, and I would like to announce...that we have offered to help and want to send somebody to have discussions. Can you get me Presidential backing on this?

K: If we don't announce it before the ... We are willing to help them out in an emergency. We will have to do something and it might hurt a bit.

H: I think that's right, that it's going to hurt.

K: We are talking about 30,000 gallons a day; we are short 3 million gallons. That's one-third of our shortage; that's one-tenth of what we use and if we don't show aid to the Arabs...

H: That's what we're critizing them for.

K: Exactly.

K: Since the Dutch won't need it until March, I want to offer it now. If they don't need it till March, they don't have to use it until March.

H: Of course.

K: Thank you.

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Mr. Casey/Secretary Kissinger

November 27, 1973

7:30 PM

C: Do you think we need a piece of paper at this point?

K: Did I sign anything?

C:........

K: I haven't seen it.

C: I didn't think of this, that we would need a formal piece of paper........
Unless we have a piece of paper.

K: Let me see it and then I'll discuss it with you.

C: OK.

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Sec. Schlesinger/Sec. Kissinger

Wednesday, November 28, 1973

10:15 a.m.

K: How are you?

S: A little tired but o.k. How does the world look out there.

K: I have had a very interesting message from Saudi Arabia saying
Faisal would like to ease the boycott and is looking for an early
occasion which will provide him the way when the peace conference
is agreed to -- in the form of a presidential letter.

S: Very good. That bears on the subject I was going to discuss
which is that it will take six or seven weeks anyhow to accumulate
the Marines in the Indian Ocean.

K: Can I call you back this afternoon. I have to go to the Hill and
I am late now. That information is just for you. It is a message
from Prince Fahd.

S: Are we sure Faisal agrees?

K: He claims he is speaking for Faisal. I have never known him to
go this far.

S: Very good. Fahd of course is more friendly with the United
States than Faisal at the moment. O.K.

K: Goodbye.

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TELECON

Secretary General Waldheim/Secretary Kissinger

November 28, 1973

7:35 PM

W: I have a problem ... a gentleman from Washington... a number of delegates asked me repeatedly about the role of the Secretary General in the Peace Conference, and of course I had a number of talks - private talks - with the Security Council members, and I couldn't convince them that it would ... formal meeting. During the last two days there have been press reports from Tel Aviv about an observer role.

K: That is nonsense.

W: I did tell them this. There are of course a number of aspects which I think should be clarified in order to avoid any uneasiness which exists, and again a report from Amman reporting about the dimension of the American and Soviet Ambassador in Amman speaking of the presence of the Secretary General at the Conference. I would be very grateful if you would look into this matter.

K: There's nothing to look into because there's no dispute about it. The Secretary General will participate as a full member.

W: I see.

K: Let me look into it and call you tomorrow. I'm already late for a meeting.

W: It's very kind of you to return my call. Would you be able to receive Brad Morse?

K: Next week - not this week. I might be in New York over the weekend and I could conceivably seem him on Saturday morning.

W: Whatever you prefer. Should he call you in New York?

K: Let him call tomorrow, and we'll find out when I can see him.